[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Why wasn't he given the experimental drugs that saved the others treated in the U.S.?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Terror threat. The FBI director speaks out on just how dangerous ISIS is on the homeland. How many Americans does he believe are fighting for the terror and can they track them all?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Your NEW DAY continues right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan and Michaela Pereira.
[Camerota:] And good morning again, everyone. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Monday, October 6th, 8:00 in the East. I'm Alisyn Camerota, alongside with Chris Cuomo. Great to be with you. Breaking overnight: a freelance NBC photographer infected by Ebola is now back in the U.S. for treatment. Thirty-three-year-old Ashoka Mukpo is the fifth American with the deadly virus to be transported to the U.S. His especially equipped jet touching down in Maine for refueling overnight and now on its way to Nebraska. The prognosis looks grim for Thomas Eric Duncan. According to the chief of the Centers for Disease Control, the Liberian man is not receiving any of that experimental medicine as he clings to life in a Dallas hospital, and that's because all of the doses are gone. And this morning, we're learning that the United States is now considering beefing up screenings at major airports to prevent a domestic Ebola outbreak. Our coverage of this international health crisis begins with senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen in Dallas. Elizabeth, thanks for being back with us. What's the latest there?
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] The latest that we know is that Thomas Eric Duncan is in critical condition. And as he fights for life inside this Texas hospital, officials are trying to keep the disease from spreading here in Dallas and trying to keep the disease from coming to our shores once again.
[Dr. Tom Frieden, Cdc Director:] People are scared.
[Cohen:] This morning, CNN has learned U.S. officials are considering new screenings at airports to detect passengers arriving by the CDC itself. Lawmakers are now calling for the U.S. to halt flights from Ebola's stricken nations to America.
[Gov. Bobby Jindal , Louisiana:] Just want to do everything we can to prevent this awful epidemic, this awful disease from coming further into the United States?
[Cohen:] A step the CDC says goes too far.
[Frieden:] If we make it harder to fight the outbreak in West Africa, we actually increase our own risk.
[Cohen:] This as the condition of Thomas Eric Duncan who arrived in the U.S. by plane September 20th advances from serious to critical. The Ebola patient is now fighting for his life after being diagnosed almost a week ago in Dallas. On Friday, Duncan's family was relocated to an undisclosed location, quarantined until October 19th. Their apartment is finally being sanitized. They had lived in the home six days after he was diagnosed.
[Brad Smith, Vp, Ebola Sanitation Crew:] Anything that's in there. It will be completely stripped from carpet to curtains, to all belongings.
[Cohen:] Over the weekend, authorities found the last of the 48 people they say may have come in contact with Duncan in Dallas after a day long manhunt, including this man Michael Lively who rode in the same ambulance after Duncan last Tuesday. Lively escorted to the hospital in full surgical garb, a mask covering his face. All 10 high risk patients, mostly health care workers, have shown no symptoms as of it. This as the fifth American to contract Ebola arrives back in the U.S. from Liberia this morning. The father of Ashoka Mukpo, an NBC freelancer, told "The Providence Journal" newspaper he still has the fever, but his spirits are very good. The freelance journalist will be the second Ebola patient treated at the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha. He'll be transported through a remote area of the airport, away from the terminal and public areas. Earlier on NEW DAY, Dr. Thomas Frieden, the head of CDC, said they're considering all possibilities for screening at U.S. airports, still trying to come up with a plan. It's not clear why months into this outbreak, they're still trying to figure out what to do Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Yes, it's obviously very complicated. Elizabeth Cohen, thanks so much for that update.
[Cuomo:] Now, as Alisyn was saying, Thomas Eric Duncan is in a very difficult fight to stay alive in a Dallas hospital n. And his homeland of Liberia, the Ebola outbreak is spiraling out of control. So, let's go live to Monrovia and bring in Nima Elbagir. Nima retraced Duncan's steps, even visiting his home and closest friends. Now, this is very important to do, because it's all about contact. And what did we discover?
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn Corresondent:] Absolutely, Chris. It's all about tracing that broader contact. Thomas Eric Duncan is just a piece of the puzzle. It is almost becoming an outbreak within the outbreak. We spoke to the sister of Marthalene Williams, the Ebola victim, the teenage Ebola victim we should say who passed from the virus, that Duncan is believed to have contracted Ebola from. She told us nobody knew she had Ebola including Duncan. And he got on that plane to the U.S. not knowing that she had died from Ebola. And nor did any of the hundred or so other people that have been confirmed to have either touched her body or come in contact with Williams while she was alive. This is almost becoming an outbreak within the outbreak. Nine people in addition to Thomas Eric Duncan here either dead or dying, Chris, after coming into contact with Marthalene Williams. It is just absolutely heartbreaking. And it gives you a real sense of what Dr. Tom Frieden, the head of CDC has been saying all along, that until the outbreak is contained here, no one anywhere around the world, whether in the U.S. or across Africa will be safe from this, Chris.
[Cuomo:] That's an important point to keep making, Nima, because especially in the U.S. people are concerned with where they live. But we have to look at what the true source of Ebola is and we have to fight hardest there. Thank you for the reporting. Stay safe. We'll check back in with you. Alisyn?
[Camerota:] All right, Chris. Joining us now is Major General Gary Volesky. He is the commanding general of the 101st Airborne Division, and he is leading the Joint Forces Command in Liberia. General, thanks so much for being with us. We know you're exclusively with us this morning. Thanks so much for taking the time.
[Major General Gary Volesky, Commanding General, 101st Airborne Division:] Thanks for having me.
[Camerota:] OK. You will be deploying two weeks with 700 troops we understand. What are you doing today to prepare?
[Volesky:] All of our soldiers that are going to deploy are in the process of conducting some pretty deliberate pre-deployment training to prepare ourselves for the environment we're going into in Liberia.
[Camerota:] OK. We understand that as of the latest figures, there are 3,458 infected people at last count in Liberia. The CDC says that number doubles every 15 to 20 days, meaning by the time you get there, there will be 7,000 infected people with Ebola. Is there anything to do in the next two weeks to try to contain this?
[Volesky:] Well, I would tell you what we're doing to prepare ourselves to support the lead federal agency that's USAID. We're looking at medical providers that are going to go train health care providers in Liberia to help address that situation. We're also going to deploy some capability engineer-wise, so that we can build this treatment, these Ebola treatment units to help USAID and the government of Liberia help contain that virus. Additionally, we're training soldiers to make sure they're protected or have the knowledge they need to protect themselves from becoming infected. So, that's what we're doing here at 101st.
[Camerota:] And let's talk about that, because Rear Admiral John Kirby of the Pentagon said that he does not expect any of your troops or U.S. troops, there might be a force between 3,000 and 4,000 in West Africa, he doesn't expect them to be around sick patients. How will you avoid being around sick patients?
[Volesky:] Well, again, we're supporting the lead federal agency USAID. And there's, as you know, a large number of other people also supporting that effort. As we go build Ebola treatment units and train health care providers, we're facilitating that through other partners there. So, I don't expect that soldiers will be in those vicinities where there are infected people that have been infected with Ebola.
[Camerota:] He also said, Rear Admiral Kirby, that you won't be working in high risk areas. Again, explain how to us how you differentiate in Liberia, between what the low risk area and a high risk area at this point.
[Volesky:] Well, again, the Ebola treatment units that we will be building, I mean, we have to take those and build from the ground up. So, there aren't going to be patients there. We'll turn those facilities over to those that will run them once they're constructed. The training center that we're building is not in the infected area to train health care providers. So, we will take all the appropriate measures to make sure that we've protected ourselves as well as continue to support the USAID led effort. Again, our soldiers are going through some pretty intense training here. We got professionals coming to tell us about Ebola. So, the soldiers can recognize the symptoms and take appropriate actions to prevent themselves from acquiring this disease.
[Camerota:] So, in other words, they will be trained to take their temperature several times a day. Beyond that, what's the training?
[Volesky:] Well, to recognize the symptoms. And again, there are leaders as well out there ensuring that our soldiers are adhering to those and not taking actions that could cause them to acquire this disease. And so, we aren't going to be out there with the patients themselves. We're not going to be treating people that are infected. Again, our mission is to build Ebola treatment units to help the government get these folks the treatment that they need, and to train health care providers that we'll be getting after the training for them.
[Camerota:] General, there was a disturbing article in "The New York Times" about the shipping container that is sitting in a dock at Sierra Leone. It has in it protective gloves, gowns, stretchers, linens, face masks, protective suits, all a whole array of medical supplies that are needed in West Africa. But it's sitting on the dock because the country's governments aren't able to kind of disseminate this stuff the way the U.S. can. Will you be involved in any of those efforts, to try and to get needed supplies to people?
[Volesky:] We bring some unique capabilities as you know, that we will support USAID in their efforts to really address the holistic piece of containing this virus. As you know, the infrastructure in some areas is limited. And so, we'll work with USAID to get those necessary supplies where they need to go. But again, we bring capabilities, but we're not the lead federal agency, as you know, like we have been in previous operations. So, we'll do what we can to support USAID and really get whatever they need where they need it.
[Camerota:] Well, we know you'll do your duty as you always do. Best of luck, General Gary Volesky. Thanks so much for taking time for us.
[Volesky:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] Let's go over to Michaela who has our headlines.
[Pereira:] I sure do. Thanks, Alisyn. "Show mercy", those words from Abdul-Rahman Kassig's parents in a plea to ISIS to release their son. CNN is now using Peter Kassig's Muslim name in a show of respect for his family. The 26-year-old was captured by the terrorist group last October while spearheading a humanitarian effort for Syrian refugees. Continuing the 113-year-old tradition, the Nobel Prize announcement kicked off yesterday in Sweden. Today's winners, John O'Keefe and May-Britt Moser and Edward Moser were awarded the Nobel Prize this morning for their accomplishments in medicine. Announcements for physics, chemistry and economics will take place later this week. The Nobel Peace Prize will be awarded Friday. Michael Phelps, the swimmer, taking a break from the pool to get some help. The Olympic swimming champ was charge last week with driving under the influence on I-95 in Baltimore. Phelps telling his followers on Twitter, he will attend a counseling program to help better understand himself, adding, quote, "Right now, I need to focus on me as an individual." And I thought you need a little sweetness today. Check out this video, trending on YouTube. A toddler showing off pretty impressive skateboarding skills without little help. Some person commented, does that look like Tony Hawk? When you look closely, it does not actually. It looks a bit like him. I don't buy it. But he wasn't mentioned in the clip. But, look, the kiddo is having a blast.
[Camerota:] How is he staying on the skate board?
[Pereira:] Well, there's gravity, and then the arm, and then the hand. Were you talking about the man?
[Camerota:] No, I'm talking about this child.
[Pereira:] Isn't it great? It's really cute. I just thought we need a little sweetness after all the news.
[Cuomo:] Now, who was filming that video? Do you think it was the mom? Or mom too scared? Although the father is obviously a pro. He's amazing. Would you shoot that video or would you be too busy hitting your video with a broom?
[Camerota:] Well, if I was married to that guy who knows himself around on a skate board
[Cuomo:] Knows what he's doing.
[Camerota:] I'd be happy to
[Pereira:] Where's my broom? I'd hit you.
[Cuomo:] I saw you ride it in this morning.
[Camerota:] Oh, my wow!
[Pereira:] He laughs and he drinks because it's an awkward moment.
[Cuomo:] That was good, that was good. Come on, you know you liked it. You wish you had turned it on me.
[Camerota:] I don't think she likes it.
[Cuomo:] I don't want to go to break because I know it's not going to be good.
[Pereira:] Not going to be good.
[Cuomo:] But I must. That's the job. And we'll leave you with this question: just how many Americans are fighting with ISIS? And what can we do about it? According to director of FBI, not much. Stunning words from James Comey, the head of the FBI. We're going to bring you them after the break. Hopefully, y'all will still be here.
[Camerota:] I doubt it.

[Quest:] We're back, QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. The chief executive of Emirates is warning that if the U.S. scraps its "open skies" agreements, foreign airlines may have trouble flying into the UAE. Sir Tim Clark says if "open skies" is scrapped, there could be new anti- trust concerns at play for all the U.S. carriers. At this week's IATA AGM, the international the airline association, the chief executive of American Airlines, Doug Parker, told me it's his responsibility as an airline CEO to bring this issue to bear.
[Doug Parker, Ceo, American Airlines:] You know, this is an issue that we believe has the potential to have a profound impact on our airlines, on the U.S. commercial aviation business and on the people we employ. And we are obligated to go fight for all those things. And in this case, some may have other views, we felt very strongly that indeed you know, what we're doing is right and that what and that these fights and the potential for flights that fly to the United States from other parts of the world will be subsidized by governments, is going to have a big impact on the U.S. airline industry.
[Quest:] Sir Tim Clark, the president and CEO of Emirates, joins me here in the C suite. You didn't launch yourself out of the chair when you heard. This is your speech that you have to the Wings Club here in New York today. You called the U.S. claim "stuff and nonsense," an extremely dodgy 55-page dossier, which indeed this is it. And you go on to warn that basically we could see the rise of a new international aviation model which would be out with the old guard, in with the vanguard. What do you mean?
[Sir Tim Clark, Ceo, Emirates:] Well, I think as a result of everything that's been going on over the last couple of months, three months, the allegations that have been made against the Gulf carriers, which are manifestly incorrect, but and there has been a polarization of the aviation community with regard to what's been going on here. So you see many of the existing alliance structures starting to fracture and there is a possibility of new arrangements coming into place.
[Quest:] Are you now fearful that the U.S. government might actually agree and the merits, but they might requirements to open consultations with the UAE and Qatar?
[Clark:] No, I'm not of that mind at all. I believe that once we have submitted our proposal, our rebuttal of everything that's been said, including what has already gone into the U.S. government dossiers and dockets that they will take a slightly different view.
[Quest:] So essentially and I've sort of read this several times over the past few months essentially the allegations are that you get letters of credit, that the fees that you pay at your airports are too low to recoup the cost of the airport, that there's common ownership, the accounts are dodgy and that you don't transact at arm's length with donata and all the other organizations. Do you transact at arm's length?
[Clark:] So as I said earlier, that's all complete stuff and nonsense. We are totally transparent. We always have been.
[Quest:] You transact at arm's length?
[Clark:] Absolutely. And we've been certified as doing so by the international auditors. So as I said, our financials are absolutely clear and transparent. You can test anything. I've also invited organs of the U.S. government to come down to Dubai, examine our books and satisfy themselves that they can see that we do not do anything that is illegitimate, illegal or whatever. It is all totally above board.
[Quest:] So but the U.S. carriers and I was at IATA and there is a fundamental fissure now in the industry, which it knows who believe the U.S. is right and those who believe that you are the future model. The U.S. how does the U.S. in your view get this so wrong then? What's going wrong with the U.S.?
[Clark:] I don't think the U.S. is getting it wrong at all. I think they're being led down a path which is a tad misguided. It's based on false suppositions and allegations, which need to be dealt with obviously. And they are dealing with them in the best way they can.
[Quest:] But these allegations about the Gulf Three have swirled for as long as I've covered aviation and I suspect since longer since you've been at Emirates. They've always said something smelly going on with those airlines when you run a bloody good airline and the food's magnificent and the planes are brilliant. But something dodgy in the accounts.
[Clark:] Well, I guess you're right. We've had to deal with this for many years. And we've addressed it successfully for many years and we will continue to address it successfully for many years to come because I don't suppose it's going to go away. All I can say is that for 23 years, Emirates has been disclosing its accounts. It's been congratulated on the quality of its financial statements, the veracity of the financial statements. And there is absolutely no reason to doubt that we do anything but operate our company on a fully commercial basis.
[Quest:] Is it likely this also becomes a geopolitical issue? I'm thinking obviously CENTCOM's space there. There are strategic, there are global security issues, terrorism issues between these governments. Is it likely that the governments in the Gulf would say, all right, you want to stuff our airlines...?
[Clark:] No, I don't believe it'll get to that at all. I believe that we will argue the case in front of the U.S. government departments on the basis of the merits of our particular case. I think once we have finished that exercise, everybody will be satisfied that we are right and what has been said about us by the U.S. big three legacy carriers is fundamentally wrong. We do not adversely affect their business because, frankly, they don't fly to our region. American Airlines doesn't operate in the Middle East, Africa, West Asia, Indian subcontinent at all. So how can we possibly be doing damage?
[Quest:] I need to talk to you about one other area: FIFA. You're looking remarkably prescient from having pulled out from stopping a global sponsor of FIFA. Do you feel that you obviously feel justified you saw something that the others didn't.
[Clark:] Well, I won't say that we saw something that others didn't. What we are particular pleased that we're not in that space at the moment. And the commercial terms of FIFA's offering to us for continuance of our sponsorship just didn't stack up in any shape or form.
[Quest:] But what are the commercial reasons? Or did you just not like the smell of the way they do business?
[Clark:] You know, there were concerns in other areas. That's as far as I will I'm prepared to go on that. But certainly, primarily it was because we were asked to be paid to pay a lot more than we had been paying and when we did the return on investment analysis, even though it is the largest sports tournament in the world, it wasn't going to stack up for us.
[Quest:] What do you now that Blatter's going, would you be looking to go back in again if the terms were right?
[Clark:] If the terms were right, yes, I'm sure we would. It is something that we left with great reluctance. Obviously any major sponsor would. But if things are sorted out in FIFA and we get a commercial offering that is as good as it was in the old days, then, yes, sure, we'd go back and look at it, seriously.
[Quest:] But there has to be because obviously what we have found and let's face it, I'll be quite honest, Tim, you're the first all right, previous sponsor, former sponsor, CEO who's prepared to talk on the record. Everybody else is running for the hills.
[Clark:] Well, look, I can't speak for them. I would just repeat what I said, we are glad we're not in the space at the moment because of the fallout over the last few weeks. It is a big pity; the big loser, of course, is football. Let's hope that we can get it back onto some kind of track. It becomes the beautiful sport that it is. The sponsors are back in competing against each other to get onto the tournament because it is a hugely competitive battle to get that kind of exposure. But it's worth it.
[Quest:] Between FIFA corruption, Gulf Three, big three allegations, I tell you, you've got your work cut out for you.
[Clark:] Oh, well, we can deal with it. No, no.
[Quest:] All right. Good to see you. Thank you now the Swiss office of the attorney general has confirmed to CNN that it has now seized and is analyzing computer data from FIFA headquarters. FIFA says it will postpone the bidding process for the 2026 World Cup amid the investigation. Speaking earlier, the general secretary, Jerome Valcke, hit out at the media, calling for his head. Mr. Markey said he had nothing to do with the $10 million payment to the Caribbean football union connected with South Africa's winning bid.
[Jerome Valcke, Fifa Secretary General:] The file was given to the ethics committee of FIFA as it was given to the audit and compliance committee of FIFA. None of the chairmen of both of these committees have found any wrongdoings and anything would justify to blame FIFA's administration or to blame the secretary general FIFA, to blame me. Nothing. So I'm sorry, I don't know what to say more than that. I have no more answer about this case, has no more thing to say. I mean, you have decided that, after Blatter, I have to be the cut, to be the head to be cut, fine.
[Quest:] "WORLD SPORT's" Don Riddell is at the CNN Center, joins me now. Don, when we look at that, I mean, look, everybody's now jumped into the fray.
[Don Riddell, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, yes. I mean, Jerome Valcke had to spend a lot of time defending himself yet again today while he was in Russia, talking about how as far as he and the Russians sports minister are concerned, the 2018 World Cup will go ahead as planned. But this would be another significant developments or at least evidence that these twin criminal prosecutions against FIFA continue with the information now that - information has been seized from the head office and reportedly from the top men, Valcke and Sepp Blatter.
[Quest:] One question that I'm confused and it doesn't take much to confuse me on this subject but one question I am confused about, does FIFA have the legal right to withdraw either of those in the event of proven corruption?
[Riddell:] Well, that's very, very interesting. I mean, we heard Domenico Scala talking about this the other day. And he was the first senior FIFA official to say that actually they would have the right, if it could be proven that there was corruption in the bids for Russia 2018, Qatar 2022. Of course, you can imagine, Richard, what that would unleash in terms of legal proceedings and counter suing back onto FIFA. It would be a monumental undertaking to actually take those tournaments away, especially when you consider how much Russia and Qatar have spent building those stadiums, putting the infrastructure in place, all based on a document that they would assign to FIFA, saying you've got the World Cup in those years. So potentially, I suppose, theoretically, it could happen. I think in practice it would be very, very difficult.
[Quest:] And I hope you were listening to Sir Tim Clark and what he was saying from Emirates. He says that they didn't like the commercial arrangements but they would be back in the ring if they were if things got better. But it's interesting. None of the other sponsors have gone anywhere near as close as speaking publicly, which I think speaks volumes for Emirates.
[Riddell:] Yes, although to be honest, he didn't really say very much, did he? I mean, he played as they wanted too much money and we weren't prepared to spend that much money; however, sponsoring the World Cup and 22 men on the pitch is absolutely what we would want to be doing because it's a fabulous tournament. But clearly he's relieved that they don't have to deal with any of the fallout and the mess right now because people who are sponsoring FIFA right now, their names are associated with just the most unholy of messes, which is just going to get worse and worse.
[Quest:] All right. Don Riddell, who is at CNN Center, thank you, sir. Now a Nobel Prize-winning scientist is under fire for sexist comments. He said he can't work in labs with women because they cry and fall in love.

[Costello:] OK. More now on our breaking news. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is recovering at a Washington hospital this morning after having a stent placed in her heart. The 81-year-old justice had discomfort after exercising. Ginsburg should be released from the hospital within the next few days but, of course, this is concerning. Joining me on the phone, Jonathan Turley, he's a law professor at George Washington University and a constitutional scholar. Jonathan, good morning.
[Jonathan Turley, Law Professor, George Washington University:] Hi, Carol.
[Costello:] You know, some have long been worried about Ruth Bader Ginsburg's health. Should we be overly concerned about this?
[Turley:] We're always concerned when a justice goes to the hospital for this type of serious problem. However, Justice Ginsburg has been asked repeatedly about her health and she has kept up a very busy schedule. There's no indication that she's physically unable to continue on the court. Many of us know people that have had this type of procedure and have become fully reengaged as lawyers or other professionals. So we're all hoping and praying that she's going to come out of this a healthier and stronger. She has repeatedly been asked, as you know, whether her age or health would prevent her to continuing on the court. There's a great concern because of her age, particularly among those who fear that President Obama would not be the one who would name a replacement. However, Justice Ginsburg has been quite clear that she is physically fully able to continue and despite the persistent question, this procedure on its face doesn't indicate that she's anything but able to continue and all of us are hoping that she's going to do well in these procedures to rejoin the court.
[Costello:] I know she's long said, you know, I'm not going to retire and she appears to be very active. This happened after she was exercising, she's appeared on stage, she's very active in speaking engagements and that kind of thing, right?
[Turley:] Oh, yes. And if you meet her, and I've had the great pleasure of meeting her, she's very vibrant and there's no indication at all that she has slowed down intellectually or physically. Part of the concern that arises, as you know, Carol, is that she is an iconic figure on the court. She is viewed by many as the representative of the left of the court. Her opinions are quite good. Even though I've disagreed with some of them, I agree with many of them. They're always very, very well written, well researched and persuasive. So the quality of her work hasn't diminished in the slightest. And as you know, she has not slowed down at all. She speaks around the country, she loves to engage students, and she clearly loves to be on the court.
[Costello:] She does. We're all our best to her and, Jonathan Turley, thanks for your insight. I appreciate it. Thank you for joining me today. Thanks, Jonathan. I'm Carol Costello. "@THIS HOUR" with Berman and Michaela starts now.

[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Local media now reporting firefighters have that massive eight-alarm fire in Boston under control. Just look at this video. In a matter of minutes it engulfed a five-story brick building in south Boston. Windows on the first three floors were reportedly blown out. But a local station reports fire crews were able to get the upper hand in about an hour. The building was under renovation and everyone, thankfully, inside escaped without injury.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] A key ruling expected today to decide whether Detroit can proceed with its record bankruptcy. The city faces an estimated $18 billion in debt. Officials say reducing that is the only way to fight years of blight and violent crime. This decision sets the stage for a battle over controversial reductions, including pensions and the possible sale of city assets. Detroit filed for bankruptcy and court protection in July, making it the largest municipal bankruptcy case in U.S. history.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] New this morning, a stunning number 82. That's how fast the metro north train was going when it jumped the tracks in the Bronx killing four people, injuring many others. The speed limit on that section of track was 70 miles an hour going to 30 miles an hour around the curve. So it was going 82 miles an hour when it was supposed to be going 30. The NTSB found more. The brakes were applied just seconds before the train left the rails. The throttle also disengaged late in the process, leading many to wonder if this is mechanical failure or operator error. Mary Schiavo is former inspector general of the United States department for transportation and was involved in train derailment investigations. She joins us now. Mary, thank you very much. What's your initial take on the numbers?
[Mary Schiavo, Former Inspector General, U.s. Department Of Transportation:] The numbers are startling, shocking and inexcusable. The question is why were they so high? Why was the train traveling 12 miles over the speed limit even before it entered the dangerous curve? It certainly looks like operator error, but there could be other reasons why the train was going over speed.
[Cuomo:] All right, so let's talk about it. If I'm the operator and the train is supposed to be going 70 and it's going 82, is that completely unusual and unacceptable, or does this happen sometimes?
[Schiavo:] Well, you know, sometimes it happens intentionally. Sometimes you're pushing the envelope, trying to make up for a late schedule, et cetera. But in this case, you know, is it excusable? No. The speed limit was 70. The speed limits are there for a purpose, because that's the maximum safe speed on the track and the track speeds vary. Along a stretch of rail you might have differing speeds that the engineer has to adjust for. So there's no excuse for it being over-speed. The question is why, operator inattention, intentionally over-speed, or some problem with the train. That's what the NTSB is figuring out now, and the black box will hold the answer.
[Cuomo:] Except if the question becomes to discretion, I haven't heard anything, maybe you have, about whether or not the operator was communicating with anyone about the speed of the train being excessive, the brakes not working when he tried them. That's very important information. Ordinarily would an operator be communicating that kind of distress?
[Schiavo:] Yes. And the NTSB has seized the cell phone. They have the cell phone of the operator. And they have also noted that the train made several stops before the accident and the brakes were working fine. And there were no problems reported. So it's highly suspicious that all of a sudden, of course, the train would go 12 miles over the 70 mile per hour speed limit and that the brakes would be applied and throttle released just six seconds before the train finally stopped. That's almost a crash sequence. I mean, six seconds, count one-one thousand, two-one thousand, up to six. That's the sequence of the crash. Six seconds before everything stopped is when they are saying it was applied. That's way too late.
[Cuomo:] The cellphone records, I understand, but isn't there a radio in there? Wouldn't there be a record of more direct communication, hey, I'm going too fast, hey, the brakes aren't working?
[Schiavo:] Yes, there is. There's ample ways to communicate, not just cell phones. They seized the cellphone to see if the operator was doing something other than run the train, which has been very common in other crashes. Yes, you can communicate both with a company and through switching, et cetera, with radio telephone communications.
[Cuomo:] Bottom line, when you see this collection of data that we have so far, you believe while there's no conclusion yet, it is pointing to not the train being inherently safe or the track being inherently unsafe but that something was done with the operation of the train?
[Schiavo:] Well, statistically speaking based on how other accident investigations have turned out, yes. Often it points to operator error. When you have over-speed on a curve condition, other accidents of similar situations have been operational error.
[Cuomo:] And you make an important point about prior stops and the train operating in those conditions versus what happened here. Now we get to the big question. Other than why, it then gets to, well, how do you fix this going forward? You've mentioned something called Smart Track. Tell us what it is. Tell us why it wasn't here. Tell us what it would take to make it everywhere.
[Schiavo:] There's actually a system called different things in different countries. We have different systems here. It's positive train control. It was made the law trains were supposed to have that installed by next year, but very few do. Amtrak on the northeast corridor from D.C. to Boston has it. A few others do. But it's a system where the track actually communicates with the train. And it makes if you will, sort of a bubble around the train. It makes it impossible for the train to over-speed because it's governed by the computer and the communications with the track, and you also can't have a collision with the train because it will give you the distance, and it will tell you, literally by communicating with both equipment on the track and by satellite. The catch is, it's very expensive, and a lot of the train companies don't own the track over which they travel.
[Cuomo:] But lives are priceless, as we know. The question becomes
[Schiavo:] Absolutely.
[Cuomo:] what needs to happen? You're saying the train companies or operators don't have control of the track. It could be federal, it could be state. How complicated is this to get to the next level? I know Boston has it. Is an incident like this a wakeup call?
[Schiavo:] Sadly, that is how we push legislation off in this country and lives are lost. Due to a cost benefit analysis in the federal government on this very kind of thing, how much does it cost to fix versus the cost of lives. What may happen is technology may help us. There are now systems that rely on GPS and satellite information more so than intensive equipment on the tracks, and that would help in those situations where the passengers trains travel over tracks that are privately owned by other companies. And it will take Congress ordered it, and in many cases there are financial incentives, tax incentives, et cetera. Cost-sharing with the government that might have to happen. But it will take Congress ordering the trains to complete this, because the honor, the trust and obey system has resulted in Amtrak and a few others. It needs to go on passenger trains first. The bullet train in japan has this and that's why they can achieve speeds of 200 miles an hour.
[Cuomo:] Mary Schiavo, thank you very much, appreciate ihe information.
[Schiavo:] Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Continue talking about this situation. So if you are in a train accident, what steps can you take to be as safe as possible? Something as simple as choosing the best seat could make all the difference. CNN's Chris Lawrence is in Washington with more on that. What have you learned, Chris?
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, Kate, in just a couple seconds we're going to tell you what a national safety expert tells his own children before they get on a train. Window or aisle seat doesn't matter. But what car you pick on a train could make a big difference.
[Lawrence:] A regional train flying around curves at twice the speed limit in Spain.
[Unidentified Male:] Everyone was just covered in their own blood and occasionally the blood of others.
[Lawrence:] Or one Washington, D.C. subway plowing into another, and now a New York commuter train hurdling off the tracks. The crashes can have a number of causes. The one thing passengers can control, where they sit. A seat is safer than standing, and it matters which car you choose. Take it from an expert, a former manager at the
[Ntsb. Peter Goelz, Former Ntsb Managing Director:] Usually when I ride the trains I try not to sit in the first car, not to sit in the last car.
[Lawrence:] Peter Goelz says the middle car gives you the best odds of being protected, if the train smashes into something or gets rear ended by another train.
[Goelz:] If there's going to be an accident, the first and last cars often take the brunt of the force.
[Lawrence:] Predicting derailments is harder. Regional trains can travel 100 miles per hour but often have to slow down to 30 around certain curves. If they don't or if there's a problem on the track, it can cause a devastating crash like metro north.
[Earl Weener, National Transportation Safety Board:] Three of the people who died were thrown out of the car.
[Lawrence:] That's got people wondering why trains don't have seat belts. The government just made them mandatory for newly built buses.
[Weener:] One of the things we'll be looking at during the investigation would be what contribution seat belts might have made to the survivability.
[Lawrence:] But using buses as a basis? It may come down to money. The government rejecting making old buses install seat belts because it would cost $40,000 per vehicle. Peter Goelz told me the NTSB looked at it, but there wasn't enough data supporting doing it on trains. And implementing that on a mass transit basis would be, he called it, darn near impossible. I talked to another expert show said there are cases where it may be better to sit facing the back of the train. He said a lot of train accidents happen when the train is trying to sharply brake and decelerate. He said if you're face with your back it the front of the train, in those cases instead of being thrust forward you'd be pressed back into your seat.
[Bolduan:] Fascinating look. We were talking about the issue, Chris, the issue of seat belts. Thanks for that, Chris. It seems to me, if the investigation shows seatbelts would have saved lives on trains, I don't think you can put a price on that.
[Cuomo:] You would hope that's where everybody is. That's one of the surprising things that Mary Schiavo told us. Obviously she's not in government right now, but the idea they do cost-benefit analysis on whether or not the price and lives or the risk of safety is worth the initial exposure expenditure. That's something to discuss. And a lot of people get motion sickness.
[Bolduan:] A lot of people do. Fascinating take by Chris. That's information you need.
[Cuomo:] Government, seems like they spend money on just about everything. They don't budget the way corporations or families do. Yet they take it into consideration.
[Bolduan:] We'll check back in on that, obviously. Let's get over to Indra to get another check of the forecast. How's it looking?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Pretty good. We're still mild the next couple of days here, but there will be a big change. I'll start off with that so you know what is coming. Notice how warm it is into the southeast. Notice the chill. This is Saturday, though. I just wanted you to see how quickly all this arctic air dives to the south and spreads to the east. Let's talk about what we've seen, plenty of snow, Michigan. Check out Jackson Hole, Wyoming. There is more of this on the way as it sags to the south and spreads farther to the east today. Let's take a look at what we're expecting as far as snow totals one to two feet of snow, same old hot spots from Montana in through Minnesota. Today through Colorado you'll start to see a lot of that heavy snow, one to two feet additional snow is still possible. There's the old air we showed you. You know this guy will be making its way south. You'll be seeing is the rain and snow start to spread. The big thing you want to watch is where do you have the wintry mix where you get all the problems. It looks like the system by about Thursday or Friday so you have time. Illinois back in through Texas again, we could be seeing freezing rain. So that's something we'll be monitoring. Updating this as a system makes its way east here over the next several of days. Look at this, loving it, 70s in Atlanta. Boston, instead of 46, 53. So everyone is happy for the next two, three days, it looks good and then it gets really cold on the weekend where no one wants to go outside.
[Bolduan:] Stop right there. Thanks, Indra.
[Petersons:] Sure.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, the latest into the investigation of the death of actor Paul Walker. Investigators have new video they're watching. They're working with it, trying to figure out. Also, what co-star Vin Diesel had to say to Walker's grieving fans.
[Bolduan:] And also we're going to be talking about the Amazon drone. How feasible is Amazon's plan to use drones to deliver packages in the not so distant future? Is it safe? Is it hype? Experts weigh in this morning.

[Keilar:] New developments in that massive security breach that compromised the credit and debit card information of 40 million, that's right, 40 million Target customers. Today, the company is giving new details about the investigation and CNN business correspondent Zain Asher is here to catch us up on that. What's going on, Zain?
[Zain Asher, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Hi, Brianna. Well, there was a Reuters report that the hackers who compromised those 40 million debit and credit cards may have actually gotten access to people's PIN numbers as well. Now Target for their part has come out denying this. They sent us a statement today saying, and I'm quoting here, "There is no evidence that unencrypted PIN data was compromised." Now we have no idea at this point. It's obviously very early in the investigation. We're not sure what's true and what's not true. But I will say that if it is true, if people's PIN numbers were compromised as well, it does open a whole new can of worms, because it means that these hackers can actually go to the ATM and withdraw money directly from people's bank accounts. It also means they can check your balance as well and figure out how much money is at their disposal, too. So, obviously, Target coming out once again denying this, but I will say that if you did shop at Target between the end of November and mid-December, it is crucial that you be safe and you check your statements with a fine tooth comb. I can't emphasize that enough Brianna.
[Keilar:] Yes, that's right. It's so scary, the idea that someone would have access to your bank account. I mean, that's so much more scary
[Asher:] I know. It's crazy.
[Keilar:] than a compromised credit card, which is, you know, obviously a major concern of us.
[Asher:] Right.
[Keilar:] Now a lot of people may not realize that these magnetic strips that are in these cards are actually old technology. What's the new technology and when might retailers upgrade?
[Asher:] Right. So the new technology, if you want to call it that, is what they use in Europe, which is the chip and PIN system. It's very different from the magnetic strip because it means there's an actual chip on your card where all your data is stored. It's not transmitted so for the most part, if a hacker wants to gain access to your account, they actually need your physical card to do it, and they need your PIN as well. So, in Europe, you are less likely to have these mass data breaches that you have in the U.S. so American banks are very good at detecting fraud but European banks are a lot better at preventing it. But the problem is, their system is a lot more expensive than our system in the U.S. Brianna.
[Keilar:] That's right. It's the cha-ching. All right, Zain, thank you so much for breaking that down for us. We appreciate it. Let's get more now with Catherine Lotrionte, she is the director for I should say of the Institute for Law, Science and Global Security and a visiting professor at Georgetown University. And not only that, Catherine, you're also a Target shopper with a Target debit card which I didn't even know existed. But in light of that, and what you know about security, what are you going to do moving forward?
[Catherine Lotrionte, Institute For Law, Science And Global Security:] Well, as a consumer, and someone that shops pretty regularly at Target, of course, I'm very concerned. But the larger issue is that the United States, we as a nation, haven't done what we need to do to protect our data, and the retailers, the companies themselves have not deterred the criminals. We've made it quite easy for the cyber criminals to get access to our personal data.
[Keilar:] And right now there's a lot of people like yourself who are wondering oh, my goodness, is my PIN number out there floating somewhere, and even if everything looks OK in my bank account, should I still be concerned? Is it too late for those people who have seen their PIN information out there, what can they do?
[Lotrionte:] I think they should first contact Target. And the lack of information I think we need customers and consumers need a lot more information from Target, from the CEO. They say that 40 million customers' information has been compromised. They said that they have notified customers or are notifying customers by e-mail. I don't know how they get everybody's e-mail. I haven't gotten an e-mail from them.
[Keilar:] And they have yours.
[Lotrionte:] Yes.
[Keilar:] Whereas other people, they may not have their e-mail.
[Lotrionte:] That's right. With those that are using regular credit cards don't necessarily have e-mail contact. So they I mean, I am wondering where the CEO is, I'm giving out this information. And more importantly, what policies did they have in place to secure the data, were they followed and if they weren't followed, that's where people like Senator Blumenthal has called upon the commissioner of the FTC to not only investigate but to hold Target liable for any of the costs. If they were found to not take reasonable steps to protect it.
[Keilar:] OK. So let's talk about what Target is saying. I think I'm going to know the answer to your question about whether we should be assured by this. But Target says, "To date there is no evidence that unencrypted PIN data has been compromised. In addition based on our communications with financial institutions they have also seen no indications that any PIN data was compromised." Should we feel reassured by that?
[Lotrionte:] I don't.
[Keilar:] You don't.
[Lotrionte:] And I would not encourage customers to be assured that nothing, including their PIN numbers, have not been compromised. Then the question for Target is, they could why unencrypted? Why aren't they taking steps by encrypting data? The answer is because it costs money. But to protect our data, what the retail organizations in the country need to take seriously is it might cost them more money in order to protect the consumers' data.
[Keilar:] But you see the difference when you look at Europe. You're saying the retailers are responsible and the government is also responsible. Right? So that's what you're saying. Is it in Europe, is it that governments are saying OK, retailers, this is the mark you need to meet in terms of security, and the U.S. government doesn't do that?
[Lotrionte:] So there's three groups of entities or groups of people that point fingers at each other expecting the other to carry the costs. The credit card and debit card companies, and they are accused of not having secure cards. You talked about the magnetic strips. The Europeans have more secure cards but it costs money to implement those new cards. The banks also are sometimes accused but also call upon the retailers to have more secure systems. And then there's the retailers themselves, the companies clearly I mean, where I come down is more needs to be done by the companies. The individual companies in retail, that's the face to the customers. Right? We're going in to Target, we're giving Target our trust. Not really thinking about our bank, but we're hoping that Target and believe at least what Target says is that they're protecting our data. So that company, all the companies, need and they're not doing enough.
[Keilar:] Sure.
[Lotrionte:] That's the reality. They're just not.
[Keilar:] And so you're calling on the retailers to do more? I'm sure this isn't the last of this kind of thing that we will hear of. So we'll see if maybe they do move in that direction. Catherine Lotrionte, thanks for being with us. Appreciate it.
[Lotrionte:] Thank you.
[Keilar:] Now, just ahead, how did a man walk on to two runways at a major U.S. airport? We have details of the investigation and the unusual clothes that he was wearing. And stuck in frozen, 74 people on a ship at the bottom of the world. We will go live to Antarctica coming up in our next hour.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Host:] Tonight: President Obama get set to take down ISIS as top diplomats warn American and European jihadis could strike us right here at home.
[Ryan Crocker, U.s. Ambassador To Afghanistan:] If we don't think we're on their target list, we are delusional. They don't need to get a visa. They just need to get on a plane.
[Amanpour:] And Better Together or coming apart? The fevered and fierce debate over Scottish independence, the outcome hangs in the balance. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the special weekend edition of the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour. In a major address to the American people this week that's also a sea change in his foreign policy, President Obama outlined his strategy for fighting ISIS in Iraq and in Syria.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We will conduct a systemic campaign of airstrikes against these terrorists working with the Iraqi government. We will expand our efforts beyond protecting our own people and humanitarian missions so that we're hitting ISIL targets as Iraqi forces go on offense. Moreover, I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq.
[Amanpour:] After rejecting intervention in Syria almost a year ago, the president has now also authorized not just airstrikes but the arming and training of Syrian rebels who are opposed to President Assad. It is a dramatic turnaround. But the war-weary American public are solidly on board. A CNN poll finds that three-quarters of Americans support airstrikes in Iraq and in Syria. As the president was putting the final touches on his address, I asked two veteran American diplomats with decades of Middle East experience between them about the chances of success and the challenges ahead. Ryan Crocker was U.S. ambassador to Syria and to Iraq and Robert Ford was America's last ambassador to Syria. Ambassador Robert Ford, Ambassador Ryan Crocker, welcome to the program and thank you for joining me tonight. Ambassador Ford, you have said Syria is the president's biggest failure. Do you think that he gets it now? Do you think that he is completely and utterly on board for this long strategic patience that Ambassador Crocker is advising?
[Robert Ford, Former U.s. Ambassador To Algeria:] Seems to me that the administration is more aware now of how the problems in Iraq and the problems in Syria are linked together, more than, say, a year or two ago. And I think that's very positive. And I'm impressed that they're looking at it in a very holistic way, involving diplomatic efforts, efforts to cut money flows as well as military operations, that it's not only a military problem but it's also one that is going to require efforts on multiple tracks.
[Amanpour:] Let me ask you both about Assad. You know, at the beginning of this conflict, it was, "Assad must go." Almost exactly a year ago, it was, "Assad has crossed a red line." The president was getting prepared to bring the American people on board for an attack against Assad. Now it's, "Assad is not our priority." That is President Obama's own words. So what do you both think? Should Assad be enjoined into the U.S. and coalition fight against ISIS? Should he be informed? Ambassador Ford?
[Ford:] I personally don't see how Assad is going to help us very much against the Islamic State. The Islamic State has defeated Assad's forces in Eastern Syria largely. There's one air base holding out against the Islamic state. They have totally been defeated in the central part of the country by the Islamic State. And Assad's forces are growing tired. They just don't have the bodies. They don't have the manpower to retake Central and Eastern Syria. So I don't see in an operational sense how he's going to help. And politically, it's very damaging with our regional friends, countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and others.
[Amanpour:] Ambassador Crocker, you had maybe six months or eight months ago suggested that maybe Assad should be part of some kind of pragmatic deal against ISIS. You don't agree with that position you had anymore. You've reversed yourself.
[Crocker:] Christiane, circumstances change. We have an existential enemy. And what I have argued recently is we need to fight that enemy wherever we can find him, in Iraq and in Syria. He cannot have a safe haven in Syria.
[Amanpour:] You have called the Islamic State Al Qaeda 6.0. Secretary Hagel has said the Islamic State is the worst thing we've ever confronted. Is it really that much worse than Al Qaeda, that committed 911 13 years ago almost to the day?
[Crocker:] Christiane, if you're if you're asking me, yes. They are more numerous. They are better armed. They are far better financed. They are better experienced. And perhaps most critically, there are several thousand of them who hold Western passports, including American passports. They don't need to get a visa. They just need to get on a plane. And as I have said, if we don't think we're on their target list, we are delusional.
[Amanpour:] Can I ask both of you Ambassador Crocker is on the record, saying that on no account should we be getting any cooperation from Iran or anything like that. On the other hand, it is apparently established wisdom that the Iranian forces have actually been helping the disarrayed Iraqi forces against ISIS in Iraq. Their pictures of the Quds Force commander on the ground and recent news that Iran's Supreme Leader had given some kind of approval to, you know, a general "all work together" on this. Ambassador Crocker, you don't agree that Iran should be in the fight against ISIS. Do you, Ambassador Ford? First to you, Ambassador Crocker.
[Crocker:] Christiane, no one understands better than you how complex all of this is. Right now our most critical fight, I think, is inside Iraq and it isn't against ISIS. It is the effort that both Robert and I have referred to of helping the Iraqis form an inclusive government that will stand together against a common enemy. The worst thing we could do right now as they still struggle through this is to look as though we are supporting Iran and Iran's surrogates inside Iraq. That will send the Sunnis completely in the wrong direction. And if we do not have a government of national unity in the true sense inside Iraq, none of the rest of this is going to work. When I see Qasem Soleimani, the head of the Iranian Quds Force, inside Iraq for prolonged periods, it's clear to me that we are working at cross- purposes because, I can tell you, whether it's nuclear negotiations, whether it's anything else to do in region with Afghanistan or with Iraq or bilaterally, Qasem Soleimani is our foe.
[Ford:] Oh, I totally agree for two reasons, Christiane. The Iranians are promoting the use of Iraqi undisciplined Shia militias, which are themselves guilty of sectarian killings. The second reason that I think that we really can't do much with Iran is that their strategic goal in Syria is to maintain Bashar al-Assad. But it's pretty clear that the continued survival of the Assad regime has both directly and indirectly helped the Islamic State.
[Amanpour:] Can I ask you both about American leadership? President Obama has been interestingly reflective, recently talking about Libya. He basically said it's one of his biggest foreign policy regrets, that it wasn't that instead of just an Air Force to topple Gadhafi, there wasn't an organized U.S.-led plan, a strategic plan for post-getting rid of Gadhafi.
[Crocker:] You used the critical word: leadership. The president has to decide that he is going to lead and he is going to lead for the long term, that he is not going it alone but that he is leading a coalition that has to be international and it has to be regional, but that he is leader and that he is all in. He was not all in in Libya. He has said that he is ending wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, actually, Christiane and you know it better after what you've been through you don't end a war by walking off the battlefield and leaving it to your enemies. Nothing good is going to happen in Iraq, in Syria and in the region without American leadership and, in our system, that means presidential leadership.
[Amanpour:] Ambassador Ryan Crocker, Ambassador Robert Ford, thank you both very much for joining me. From the heat of battle to the heat of debate, from the street corners of Glasgow to the Palace of Westminster, one question is on everyone's lips: yes or no? The referendum on independence for Scotland is on a knife edge. The issues and the implications next.

[Alison Kosik, Cnn Money Correspondent:] Porat gives up the title on Wall Street, though. It's industry that we haven't yet seen its first female CEO. I do like her mantra. She hates that phrase worklive balance. She says she likes to find a satisfying mix between work and family.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Oh, yes, there's no such thing as work and life balance. It's never ever in balance. No one knows everyone knows it's never in balance. All right. Thanks so much, Alison. EARLY START continues right now.
[Romans:] Happening now: an intense search to recover remains of those on board Germanwings Flight 9525 crashing into the French Alps, with 150 people on board. Investigators now examining the plane's cockpit voice recording to figure out what went so wrong. Live team coverage breaking down the search, the investigation and now mourning those killed. Good morning. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans. It is Wednesday, March 25th. It is 5:00 a.m. in the East. John Berman is in Washington all week. This morning, the cockpit voice recording black box has been recovered. And investigators are trying to figure out just what caused that crash of a Germanwings Airbus A320 in the French Alps, 150 people onboard. Every one on that flight from Barcelona, Spain, to Dusseldorf, Germany, presumed dead including two babies. The cause of the crash a mystery this morning. Germanwings said the plane descended from its cruising altitude for eight minutes before radar was lost radar contact was lost and the plane slammed into the mountain. Now, crews are struggling to recover bodies and wreckage from the snow-covered, high mountain valley where this plane went down. For the very latest, let's bring in CNN's Erin McLaughlin. She's in the recovery about six miles from the crash site. And good morning, Erin. You've seen rescue helicopters taking off, haven't you?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn International Correspondent:] We have, Christine. The recovery operation very much under way. The field that you see behind me, a hive of activity for the past few hours, helicopters landing and taking off again. Onboard those helicopters, police officials as well as inspectors and specialist mountaineers. They're headed, of course, to the crash site which has been described as pretty grim. It's in a very remote location, accessible primarily by air. The terrain there described as difficult. Local officials say that when the ill-fated plane crashed, it was pretty much obliterated, wreckage strewn over a wide area including human remains. Germany's foreign minister flew over the site yesterday. He said it was a photo of horror. And that is what these recovery officials are going to be working with later today. One of their top priorities, of course, is beginning to try to identify the 150 victims that were on board that plane as well as begin the repatriation process. So far, no bodies have been recovered. They're also going to try to be answering all of the questions about how this could have happened. Earlier this morning, we heard from France's interior ministry. He said that yesterday, they had recovered the flight cockpit voice recorder. He said that it had been damaged, but they hope to have it fixed in the coming hours Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Erin McLaughlin, thank you for that. Again, damaged voice recorder, but they hope to have that fixed soon. Thank you. Passengers aboard Germanwings Flight 9525, they came from all over, as well as a handful from South America, Asia, Australia. Nearly half of them, at least 67 were German. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, she says the crash has plunged Germany, France and Spain into deep mourning. Today, she will travel to the crash site. 16 students and 2 teachers on that flight were returning to the town of Haltern near Dusseldorf. They had been on a week-long foreign exchange program in Spain. And now, Haltern is in mourning. CNN's Rosie Tomkins is near there in Dusseldorf. She has the very latest Rosie.
[Rosie Tomkins, Cnn International Correspondent:] Hi, Christine. Yes, I'm at the airport in Dusseldorf where of course this flight was intended to, as its destination, before the terrible tragic crash occurred. This is where many of the families headed on Tuesday when they received the news of the crash in order to try and get some answers. And of course, they had their worst fears confirmed when they found that their loved ones had indeed been onboard. They set up a crisis center here at the airport for those family members in order to provide support where they could psychologists help them with the trauma of this loss. The airline has also offered to fly family members to the region in the French Alps, should they want to get closer to the site just to be nearer to the location of the crash where their lost loved ones are. And meanwhile, it's a nation in mourning. As you mentioned, 16 students from the school, in the town of Haltern, just 80 kilometers north of here, and that town feeling the tremendous impact of that loss. Two teachers were also on board the flight. The mayor of the town appeared in public yesterday, visibly shaken and emotional, talking about how shock was felt throughout the town, that you could feel it everywhere. Also, these two opera singers that we now know were on board, they were also from the Dusseldorf region, returning home from a series of performances in Barcelona. One of them, Maria Radner, was on board with her husband and her baby. One of those two babies you mentioned that were on board. So, as these details emerge, names and faces which are bringing personal focus to the tragedies with the wide numbers that we're hearing and really bringing that focus sharper. But as you said, 67 German nationals, that's the number at the moment. And Germanwings saying that number could change as more details emerge Christine.
[Romans:] OK. Rosie Tomkins in Dusseldorf, thank you, Rosie. The king of Spain canceling his state visit to France to return home this morning. The Germanwings flight originated in Barcelona, and a count of Spanish surnames suggests about 45 of the passengers may have been Spanish nationals. Still no official count, though, from officials in Spain. Mourning along with those families in Haltern, Germany, are the residents of this small Spanish town where the German students attended that exchange program. Hundreds gathering at a mass to remember their new friends. CNN's Karl Penhaul is there with the very latest. Good morning, Karl.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Christine. This is the Spanish school, we're outside it now, where those 16 German students spent the last week studying. Now, while they were studying, they were also being hosted by Spanish families. They were forging friendships here. They were learning the language. They were continuing friendships as well because only three weeks ago, a group of Spanish students had traveled to Germany to study there and stay with German families. So, today, those friendships now come to an end with this accident. And on hand, members of the Red Cross, they're giving some kind of support to some of the students, some of the teachers, some of the parents that are inside the school right now. And they will commemorate their lost friends in about half an hour from now in some kind of short remembrance service. But as well, while this is going on here, of course, Lufthansa continuing to sift through the passenger lists to figure out the exact nationalities of who was on board and to give us a better breakdown. Again, back in the Barcelona airport, a crisis center has been set up. And there psychologists also on hand to help a group of about 150 friends and relatives who showed up there yesterday, work through this trauma, give them the support they require. And as we already know, a very varied group of people on board that flight. As far as the Spaniards who lost their lives, many of them seem to have been business executives who were heading to Germany for some kind of trade fair. And, of course, remember Barcelona, a very cosmopolitan city. It's a big draw for tourists on longer vacations and also on short weekend stays. It's also a favored destination for northern Europeans who come to this area of Spain looking for a little bit of winter sun. So, certainly, a tragedy that has affected many nations and many generations as well, Christine.
[Romans:] Oh, yes, Karl, it's a snapshot into how modern air travel has been able to unite so many different people. And you look at the budget airline boom over the last decade or two, and Europe in particular, on this particular airline, you know, the fee structures anywhere from 33 euros to 149 euros. So, really, Karl, you could have people from all walks of life on that plane.
[Penhaul:] Yes, absolutely. I mean, here in Europe, we think nothing of showing up at the airport, buying these budget tickets. It's the cheapest way to get around. Often, it's even cheaper than taking the train, certainly cheaper than paying to put the gas in your car. So, really, nothing untoward. Yesterday afternoon, in fact, I was talking to some more passengers boarding one of the later Germanwings flights and said to them, you know, have you got any fears about getting on this flight now? It's a budget flight. We know there's been an accident this morning. They say, look, you know, it is the way we get around Europe now. It just seems so normal to us. And, you know, it's something we have to deal with. But I don't think people are necessarily concerned about the safety record of low-cost flights, Christine.
[Romans:] Yes, I think you're right. Karl Penhaul, thank you for that this morning from Spain. Nine minutes past the hour. A Lufthansa spokesperson says the airline will no longer use Flight 9525. Lufthansa is the parent company of Germanwings. And that's the number of the Germanwings flight that crashed yesterday, killing all 150 on board. So, does low cost mean low safety? Let's talk about it a little more with CNN money correspondent Alison Kosik. Alison, you heard what Karl was saying. People are still getting on flights right after this one. Does low cost mean less safe?
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Money Correspondent:] The experts that we spoke with at CNN money say they are not less safe. They are safe. Budget airlines, yes, they cut corners on things like convenience, like your legroom, like getting your drinks, charging you for your bag. But experts say they do not cut costs on safety. Now, one thing they do do, though, is pay their crews less than other airlines. That includes pilots. But that doesn't mean the pilot is not safe or it can't fly the plane. It just means that the pilot is simply less experienced. And the planes themselves are well maintained. You know, one expert put it this way, saying that safety is really the biggest advertisement for an air carrier.
[Romans:] Yes, in this particular case, this pilot was very experienced. He had ten years' experience. So at least initially, investigators aren't concerned about the experience factor in the cockpit. What about the safety records, then, of the low-cost carriers?
[Kosik:] You know, industry-wide, it's really a good track record. You look at European discount carriers. They've actually got strong safety records on par with the industry as a whole. Germanwings specifically has a very good reputation. It was launched by Lufthansa in 2002 to compete with Ryanair and easyJet. And Lufthansa has one of the best safety records in the world. Now, the plane that crashed yesterday, the Airbus A320, is also one of the safest and most used in the world.
[Romans:] It's so interesting, too, the decline in oil prices means so many of these airlines have more money to invest in newer planes and to give their employees raises. So they have been seeing an economic boom of late. But clearly, the safety issue a lot of people talking about these flights that have gone down over the past year. Thank you so much, Alison. Nice to see you. Happening now: the rift widening between the U.S. and Israel. President Obama with new criticism this morning of Prime Minister Netanyahu. Plus, a new plan for U.S. troops to remain in Afghanistan, next.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Happening now
[Pastor Charles Ewing, Uncle Of Michael Brown:] Michael Brown's blood is crying from the ground, crying for vengeance, crying for justice.
[Blitzer:] Raw emotion and a new rally in Missouri at the funeral for the teenager gunned down by a police officer. The Brown's family lawyer is standing by to talk about demands for justice and new information about the investigation. Thousands of mourners came together today. Was it a first step toward healing in a community torn by Michael Brown's death and weeks of unrest? Plus, authorities now say they're close to identifying the ISIS terrorist who beheaded an American. We're going to tell you how they're zeroing in on James Foley's executioner. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. Michael Brown's family says today is about saying goodbye and staying peaceful, but tomorrow the fight for justice will go on. Several thousand mourners turned out for the 18-year-old's funeral more than two weeks after his killing by a police officer that turned Ferguson, Missouri, into a battlefield. This hour we're covering the service, the investigation, and what comes next. Our correspondents, our analysts, and newsmakers are standing by in Ferguson as well as here in THE SITUATION ROOM. First to CNN's Victor Blackwell. Let's go to Ferguson right now. He has the very latest on this important day Victor.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, the funeral was part traditional Baptist ceremony and also a political rally in many ways calling for action from the community. There were speakers who said that they will hear our voices, our shouts will shake the heavens. Now, there was plenty of shouting today, but for a different reason.
[Blackwell:] Organizers called it a celebration of the life of Michael Brown. Family members and complete strangers jumped to their feet clapping and shouting, but not Lesley McSpadden. At the start of the service she stood, staring at her son's casket and photos, more than two weeks after he was shot on the street in Ferguson, Missouri.
[Ewing:] Michael Brown's blood is crying from the ground, crying for vengeance, crying for justice.
[Blackwell:] Justice, Brown's great uncle, says for more than just his nephew.
[Ewing:] There is a cry being made from the ground, not just for Michael Brown, but for the Trayvon Martins, for those children at Sandy Hook Elementary School, for the Columbine massacre, for the black-on-black crime. There is a cry being made from the ground.
[Renita Conway, Attended Service:] There was definitely a message of keep it peaceful. And it starts at home. Excuse me. It starts at home and goes out to the community and then into the world. We have to start with ourselves and then go out, you know, and spread peace and be respectful definitely, first and foremost, be respectful of others.
[Blackwell:] Renita Conway never met Brown. Likely neither had many of the estimated 4,500 attendees, some wearing a memorial T-shirt or sharing a story about someone they have lost.
[Unidentified Male:] I know the grieving over lost grandchildren that will never be born.
[Blackwell:] Celebrities and notables like Spike Lee and Jesse Jackson sat in a seemingly reserved VIP section next to politicians from the state capital and the nation's capital and there was plenty of politics.
[Eric Davis, Cousin Of Michael Brown:] What you guys can do to continue this, show up at the voting polls, let your voices be heard and let everyone know that we have had enough of all of this.
[Blackwell:] But after weeks of protests with moments of violence, fogs of tear gas, and standoffs with police, a plea.
[Ty Pruitt, Cousin Of Michael Brown:] Today is for peace, peace and quiet. We will lay our son, brother, cousin, uncle, our family, young man, young black man, young human being. But we don't say goodbye. We say good journey until we meet again.
[Blackwell:] Wolf, I sat in the balcony during the service, and listening to the conversations and speaking with people around me, I could really get an understanding why people, so many thousands of people came to today's funeral. The woman who sat to my right, she was an older woman who was a member of the church and she wanted to be there just to support the family during this difficult time. Behind me, two younger women were talking about policies that should change and policing in the United States. Just in front of me there was a woman I recognized from the protests on Friday night. She was dressed. She wore dark glasses, a T-shirt that said revolutions and cargo pants and military-style boots. That night she was telling the protesters to get off the route they were being ordered to follow and to really start a revolution. She sat there quietly during the program. I asked a few people afterward, would the family get their wish, would there be peace tonight? Most said they didn't know, but they were hoping for it.
[Blitzer:] Let's all hope for that. Victor Blackwell, thanks for that report. Let's bring in our anchor Don Lemon. He's in Ferguson for us. He's been there now almost from the very beginning. Give me your impressions of how this day unfolded, Don.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] Well, you know, Someone, earlier, one of the officials Here said, you know, it's over. I knew what he meant. He meant it's over in the sense that finally there is something there is at least some closure and I hate that word but some closure for Michael Brown's family, but it's really far from over when it comes to the community. It's far from over when it comes to the reality setting in for the Brown family, because this is the day really when you have the funeral, everyone has come together, all the dignitaries and all the officials and all the celebrities. This is really when, quite honestly, the media is going to start pulling out. You're going to see less and less coverage and the Brown family will be left with the fact that their loved one is no longer here and all the attention is turned away. They're going to have to figure out what to do next for people in the town, the officials calling for some sort of change and asking them to be a part of that. I think it went well as far as being organized, as far as being peaceful, as far as being respectful. And I thought it was also very respectful of the minister and I thought it was very smart of the minister to say, some of you who came here to speak, you're not going to be heard from today and if you want to be heard from, we welcome to come next Sunday and we will have Sunday's service, sort of weeding out the people who were coming here to make this just to get some sort of attention from the media and to get in front of the cameras. I thought it was handled very well today. I thought the mother was very strong having seen her yesterday, Wolf, and really right after she had come from the funeral home to see her son for the first time. I thought she was very strong today. But we will see what happens in the coming hours and coming days. It's going to be really tough for the family.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about tonight. What can we expect tonight? Because a lot of people are worried.
[Lemon:] Well, speaking to officials, they say they don't know what to expect tonight. They think that it is helpful that Michael Brown's father called for calm and peace and for a day of silence, and so if there are any protests, they're hoping the protests will be silent protests and that those protests will be peaceful ones. In your initial question to me, Wolf, I neglected to show this to you. This is this is a program from today's ceremony, and I thought it was very poignant and very nice that the mother wrote a letter to her son. And there's a picture of Michael Brown and his mother, Lesley, at the skating rink and they're laughing and having a good time. And then the father let's not forget about the father who was involved in his son's life. We want to make that clear. He wrote a letter to his son as well. You see there's a picture of them in here. It's a very respectful day here. Let's hope that the people tonight who may come out to demonstrate really observe that as well and observe, heed the father's wish that it be peaceful and quiet.
[Blitzer:] Let's hope the folks do that exactly as the father and the family is asking. Don, we're going to get back to you. Thanks very much. We're joined now by Daryl Parks. He's a lawyer representing the Brown family. Mr. Parks, thanks very much. First of all, how is the family doing?
[Daryl Parks, Attorney For Family Of Michael Brown:] You know, I think the dad said it best yesterday, Wolf, when he said that we're hurting. They're in deep pain. The walk they had to make today from the front of the church to the back of the church behind that coffin is the toughest walk any parent could ever have to make. They had to make that walk today and they're still standing tall, but they're hurting. And so they're surrounded by all of their family. They're surrounded by the community. And we hope that folks will stay calm and will just have some silence in honor of Mike Brown's legacy. So that's our prayer and our hope today on behalf of this family.
[Blitzer:] Is that your sense that there will be an evening tonight, a night of peace?
[Parks:] We have no reason to believe that people would not honor the wishes of this family. You heard the father ask the public to please, please, please, let's honor his legacy. I would hope everyone that heard his voice and those who hear my voice right now would honor that request that he made.
[Blitzer:] What do you think? It's getting a lot of play on social media, "The New York Times"'description of Michael Brown, the 18- year-old teenager who was shot and killed by a police officer as quote "no angel." What did you think of that description of him as no angel? They were specifically referring to the videotape of the robbery that occurred at that convenience store only moments before he was shot and killed?
[Parks:] Well, he was like any other teenager. He lived a life and we all know that teenagers live lives. They enjoy things, they do things. Sometimes, they get into things. However, though, I think we have to be very careful in our country not to blame victims. It shouldn't be a situation where if you happen to be a victim who may have had an incident or a situation that your killers can use that to get away or to bring less honor to you in your death. We have to stop that. Whatever he did then had nothing do with what happened in the situation where he lost his life, where the officer had the choice and chose to take his life, you know, at his own discretion. He shouldn't have done that. So I think we have to be careful about how we allow them to paint a picture of a victim whose life certainly was not was not should not have been lost because of what happened at that store that day, but this officer made a decision who had no respect for the value of Michael Brown's life that he could have made a different decision and not taken his life. But because he saw him for whatever he saw him as, he chose to make the decision that he made and to shoot him in the head twice.
[Blitzer:] We know that there's a federal investigation, the Justice Department, the FBI. They're investigating the civil rights aspects of this. There's a Saint Louis County separate investigation. The grand jury, as you know, meeting right now. But what about from your perspective a civil lawsuit? Is that something that you as the lawyer for the family are considering?
[Parks:] Certainly, we're going to consider that down the line. However, as you know, with two criminal investigations going on, they have precedence over the witnesses right now. Thus, things that we could do in a civil regards would be less likely right now given those two actions taking place, as you know.
[Blitzer:] As far as you know, Mr. Parks, are there other eyewitnesses that we haven't heard from yet?
[Parks:] Yes, there are. In fact, as we were leaving today from the church, we had a witness walk up to us and said, hey, no one's talked to me yet. So there are still witnesses out there who have not been contacted. We urge them to either contact the FBI or to contact the Saint Louis County police who's investigating the situation. But and also contact us, you know, as the lawyers on the civil side, if there are witnesses out there. Many people saw this. That's why we're so we really believe strongly that this officer's going to be convicted of this situation, because there are many, many witnesses who saw what happened. And at a minimum, he should have been arrested a long time ago, but given the great weight of the witnesses that we have thus far, this prosecutor has a great responsibility to go to this grand jury and to come back with an indictment. We will accept nothing less than that.
[Blitzer:] What about other videos that haven't been shown yet? Are there, as far as you know, other videos of the incident?
[Parks:] I'm not aware of any other videos that may be out there, but if there are people out there who may have videos, we certainly urge them to come forward to the authorities, because we want both prosecuting authorities in this case to have as much evidence as they can. We believe that there's already enough evidence from the great number of witnesses present for this officer to be arrested.
[Blitzer:] We know the Justice Department, the FBI investigation, that could go on for months and months and months, maybe a year or two. The grand jury, though, is meeting right now. When do you anticipate we will get a decision from the grand jury?
[Parks:] I really can't say, though, Wolf. But I must say in a case like this one, where there's such great public concern for what's going on and justice taking place in this case, we believe this is of public importance that both officials move with due diligence to come some conclusion with their investigations. We're of the opinion that given the resources that both agencies have, both the federal and the state, that they should come to a conclusion sooner than later on these investigations.
[Blitzer:] Daryl Parks represents the Brown family. Mr. Parks, thanks very much for joining us.
[Parks:] Thank you for having me.
[Blitzer:] Still ahead, we're learning new details about the investigation into Michael Brown's death and the contradictory stories told by police and witnesses. And later, the ISIS executioner with the British accent who beheaded American James Foley. We're show you how authorities are now closing in on a suspected terrorist.

[Lu Stout:] Welcome back. You're watching News Stream. Now another sypertyphoon is heading toward the Philippines. Mari Ramos joins us for more. She joins us from the world weather center Mari.
[Mari Ramos, Cnn Weather Correspondent:] It seems like the same old story across this area, Kristie. It's been so active for this part of the world. So let's go ahead and get right to it, because this is a very dangerous weather system that is approaching a very vulnerable area. It's Supertyphoon Hainan is the name. And right now it's affecting areas from Palau to Yap with very strong winds, close to 250 kilometers per hour. So we're really talking about a major storm here. And get this, it could actually intensify even more as it continues on that west, maybe west- northwesterly track over toward the Philippine Islands. So the when we talk about this storm, we really don't think it's going to deviate too much from this track. There's high pressure in place that is expected to remain there. And what happens is the storm kind of his to ride around this big area of high pressure. So the time line looks like this. By tomorrow evening, the center of the storm, the eye of the storm will be right here. And you move this to this, well guess what, you'll end up with already the outer bands of this storm affecting this area. I think we'll start to see that already tomorrow. Very high waves will start to affect this region as well. And then by Friday the center of the storm will begin approaching land. By then, most of that moisture will the other half of this storm, I should say, will still be back over here across the Philippines bringing some very heavy rain. So if you're preparing for this storm you basically have overnight tonight and possibly the early hours of tomorrow to finish getting ready. That's very important. So the winds could be in excess of 200 kilometers per hour, especially near that center of circulation. The farther away you are from that center, the lesser the wind impacts. But the storm surge should be very large, especially on the north and front side of the storm. So wherever the eye makes landfall, north of that, that's where you'll have the highest storm surge. The rain will be quite heavy all along those areas. And the threat for flooding and mudslides will remain across the entire region. I want to talk to you about the rain very quickly. Here's the Philippines all the way over there. This is that center of the storm moving in that general direction. There you see it. And then once we head into the landmasses, look at this, a lot of places that will be in the 15 to 25 centimeter rainfall. And I think that will start happening about probably this time tomorrow you'll definitely already start seeing some of that rainfall that will be quite significant across those regions. So, something to monitor very, very specifically. After that, this storm we think is going to move into the South China Sea still as a typhoon. And one last thing, notice the winds, 270 kilometers per hour by this time tomorrow, but then it begins to weaken just a little bit, we think, before it actually makes landfall. But still, 230 kilometer per hour winds, Kristie, is very active. We've already had five storms that have hit the Philippines so far this year since January. If this one stays on track, which we think it will, it will be number six. Back to you.
[Lu Stout:] Wow. Now in addition to that super typhoon, you're also looking at this new report out today about a record level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. What can you tell us?
[Ramos:] Yeah, this is very interesting report from the World Meteorological Organization. They're talking about this annual report that they put every year on how much greenhouse gases are concentrated in the atmosphere. So it's not about how much is put out into the atmosphere, it's how much actually remains, because about half of what is put out into the atmosphere tends to remain in the air. And it actually stays there for quite a long time. So they're saying that things like carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide are the three main gases that we have to be concerned about when it comes to greenhouse gas concentrations, carbon dioxide being the number one culprit here and the one that we have to watch the most and that is the one that had the highest level. The CO2 in the atmosphere grew faster between 2011 and 2012 than any other time in history. And that's about 41 percent higher than preindustrial levels. And that's extremely high, because even if we stop putting all carbon dioxide into the atmosphere right now, it will take hundreds and hundreds of years for that to actually begin to make a change. And of course these greenhouse gases are the ones that are being blamed for much of the climate change that's occurring here on Earth, including those warming trends that we're starting to see and that we have seen over the last few years across so many different parts of the world. Climate change is real. And this is just another call to action, call for action to curb carbon emissions I think, Kristie. And I'll be tweeting the report that came out in just a little while. Back to you.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, please do share it to a wider audience. I mean, this is incredible and the amount of greenhouse gas that's out there, and it is indeed on the rise, a very significant update. Thank you very much indeed Mari Ramos. Now, growing up in Cameroon, Georges Bwelle, he witnessed firsthand the need for affordable health care. And he watched helplessly as his own father suffered for years with a serious illness. So Bwelle, he trained to become a doctor and now provides medical care and surgery for free. And take a look at the remarkable work of this CNN Hero.
[Georges Bwelle, Doctor:] For a country like mine, people like to dream, to dance, to enjoy their life, but with poverty they cannot enjoy their life. To go to the village is a pleasure. If I can help two or three people, that could be great. I saw my father ill for 23 years. Before he passed away he asked me, do you see how people suffer to see a doctor? Please, if you graduate to be a doctor help people. My name is Georges Bwelle. I bring free surgery and health services to people of [inaudible]. They're beating the drums to say thanks to come. They can live 60 kilometers around and they are coming [inaudible]. [through translator]: So are you also her for the operation? We are starting by doing consultation. [through translator]: We will do the exams to see the possibilities for this mass. And in the afternoon, we have a list of patients that we are going to operate. We need our generator, because in the village there is no light. We start doing operations until Sunday morning. We are doing around 40 surgical operations for free.
[Unidentified Male:] I have no money, that's why they brought me here. This will change my future in my family.
[Bwelle:] We leave our address to all the patients that if there's any problem they can come back to us. I help people and they are happy. I am doing that to give them opportunity to restart.
[Lu Stout:] Great story. Now Georges Bwelle is just one of the top 10 CNN Heroes of 2013. And you can help decide who will be the CNN Hero of the year. Go online and vote at CNNHeroes.com for the person who inspires you the most. Now you're watching News Stream and still to come a Mexican staple is becoming pretty mainstream in the United States. We'll examine the growing American appetite for tortillas.

[Costello:] The senator calling on Veterans Affairs Chief Eric Shinseki to testify about allegations of a massive cover-up by V.A. hospitals is warning people not to rush to judgment. Senator Bernie Sanders says allegations that V.A. hospitals tried to hide long wait times for sick veterans are being politicized. But the allegations are serious. In fact, CNN has been digging into these charges since last November. And this is what we turned up: at least 40 veterans died while waiting for care in Phoenix according to multiple sources. Some were placed on a secret waiting list. Some of those veterans waited up to 21 months for care. CNN investigations found delays in care in at least six hospitals including Wyoming and Texas. Not only that, the V.A. has admitted 23 people died because of delays in care. Senator Bernie Sanders is chairman of the Senate committee that will look into these allegations. He joins us now. Welcome, Senator.
[Sen. Bernie Sanders , Vermont:] Good to be with you, Carol.
[Costello:] Nice to have you here. Senator, these allegations are disturbing. Three whistle blowers came forward to detail these charges. What's political about that?
[Sanders:] Well, Carol, let me just say this, just comment on something you said a moment ago. If you look at "The Arizona Republic" a few days ago, May 9th, is what they said about the allegations, and "The Arizona Republic" has been covering this issue pretty extensively. I quote, "Dr. Foot," and Foot is the main source of the allegations. "Foot's allegation that 40 people died sometimes has been miscast by media that those deaths were attributable to delayed care. Foot said information he provided to Congress and the inspector general did not indicate how individuals died or whether they might have survived with more timely care." So, what we have done, Carol, which is I think the appropriate thing, but the V.A. said, look, charges, allegations have been made by Dr. Foot. Let's go out and do an independent investigation with the inspector general which is an independent entity and get to the truth of the matter. But what I just read you suggests, and you just mentioned a moment ago that 40 people died because of delayed care, that is not, as I understand it
[Costello:] Senator, I can only I can only rely on Drew Griffin and CNN Investigations. They've been investigating this matter since November. They put a lot of time in it. And you can't escape the fact that the V.A. itself admitted 23 people died directly because of delays in care. They admitted it.
[Sanders:] Carol, the V.A. like any large institutions, has its problems. And that's why I said we are going to do a hearing, immediately after the investigation is completed. Second point, I want to make is do you know how many people are going in veterans are going to the V.A. today, and in my view as a nation we have a moral obligation to make sure every veteran in this country gets the best quality care that we can provide.
[Costello:] I absolutely agree with that part of what you're saying.
[Sanders:] Do you know how many veterans are going into V.A.'s 151 medical centers and 900 primary care facilities today? Over 200,000. So, the point is, you have a huge system. What the veterans tell us in general is they like V.A. health care. Patient satisfaction is generally higher
[Costello:] But, Senator, that doesn't excuse the fact that people died because some waited up to 21 months for care. Awful.
[Sanders:] Carol, you're absolutely right. Nothing would excuse that. But I think you would agree with me that we need is an independent investigation by people who are trained to do that first. If one person died, that is one person too many. That's why we're going to get to the root of the issue. But the broad point that I want to make is when you're treating 6.5 million people a year, that's a lot of people. And there are going to be problems. If we simply say here is a problem, here is a problem what I'm suggesting to you is that independent studies suggest V.A. health care is pretty good, as good or better
[Costello:] Well, let me run this by you, Senator. Senator John McCain is a Vietnam POW. He says if these allegations are true, it's a crime. Listen to what he said.
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] If these allegations are true, they're a violation of law. It's not a matter of resignations. It's a matter of whether somebody goes to jail or not, OK?
[Costello:] There you have it. He says it's a crime. How is it possible that Shinseki was not aware of what was going on? Surely he knew.
[Sanders:] Let's do first of all, if there are people who are cooking the books, Senator McCain is absolutely right, it is a crime. That's something we will deal with. But, Carol, all I'm suggesting is that I do not want to see 300,000 V.A. employees, many of whom are veterans themselves or related to veterans, vast majority of whom are doing a good job according to the veteran's community and according to independent surveys providing quality health care to our veterans, I don't want to see everybody disparaged.
[Costello:] I hear you. But after your initial comments on this on Wolf Blitzer's show and hundreds of veterans contacted Drew Griffin to complain, they are worried you will not conduct a thorough investigation. Can you assure them you will?
[Sanders:] Absolutely. First of all, it's not me who's going to be conducting the investigation. It is the inspector general. They're doing it right now.
[Costelo:] But you're holding a hearing, right?
[Sanders:] I am holding a hearing on the general state of V.A. health care. The hearing on the charges in Phoenix cannot be held until we have a report from the inspector general. I think what we want to hear this Thursday is from Shinseki, is from people who are critical of the V.A. and an overall view of what V.A. is doing well in terms of health care and what they are not doing well. Once we have the report from the inspector general, we are going to go from there. So, my point is where the V.A. has been deficient if there are serious problems like keeping two sets of books, that is very serious. We are going to get to the root of that. Look, I just offered comprehensive legislation to make sure we improve health care and other benefits for all of our veterans. We're going to fight hard for the veterans. I'm sure you will agree with me that we need a though row independent investigation to tell us what's going on in phoenix and elsewhere.
[Costello:] All right. Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you for joining me this morning. I want to bring in CNN's Drew Griffin now because he worked so hard on this. Senator Sanders didn't want to debate this issue with you on the air. He wants to talk about it in his office at some point. I wanted to bring you on to tell people what your investigation uncovered, because these are serious allegations.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Investigative Correspondent:] They are very serious allegations. And from Senator Sanders, to be charitable, he seems woefully uninformed on this issue. My question to him is where has he and the committee been? The House Veterans Affairs Committee, bipartisan committee, has been looking into these problems in a year. In November, we reported veterans died at mostly southeast veterans hospitals. Carol, these men died, mostly men died because they couldn't get a colonoscopy in time. That's the care we're talking about for our veterans. Now, as you rightly said, in February, the V.A. admitted that 23 veterans died because of delays in care. The V.A. admits that. And 70 or more have had adverse outcomes. Now, we're talking about a cover-up in the last month. Phoenix, San Antonio and the most recent one is Cheyenne, Wyoming, where we have actual whistle blowers, people who make the schedules who are telling us and showing us how they are told to hide the delays in care. Take a look at this e-mail we got a hold of on Friday. This is from a clerk inside the Cheyenne, Wyoming, V.A. talking about how to game the system. You don't have to know the rules of the game you're playing. When we exceed 14-day measure, the front office gets very upset. What this person is talking about is actually scheduling appointments months and months and months in advance but recording them so they only look like they're 14 days out. The whistle-blower came forward and said she provided that to us and to others. Her name is Lisa Lee. Listen what she has to say, what's going on inside these hospitals.
[Lisa Lee, Medical Suspoort Assistant Scheduler:] We were being told to game the system because it made Cheyenne look good. We were sat down by our supervisor in the conference room. He opened up his laptop and he showed us exactly how to schedule so it looked like it was within that 14-day period. So, It was all verbal when I was down there. And they would keep track of the schedulers who were complying and getting 100 percent of the 14-day, and those of us that were not doing it.
[Griffin:] The person who wrote that e-mail, General Eric Shinseki, on Friday, put that person on administrative leave, opened yet another inspector general report at the hospital in Cheyenne, Wyoming. But this, we believe now, is systemic throughout the system, has been going on. And when we hear from Senator Sanders, his immediate reaction is to defend all this activity or not proceed, the veterans we're hearing from, they lose faith in this system of oversight, at least of the Senate.
[Costello:] Drew Griffin, thanks so much. Still to come in the
[Newsroom:] This morning, the first image of the school girls kidnapped by Islamist terrorists. Nima Elbagir is in Nigeria and visited the town where that mass abduction happened.
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn Correspondent:] It's been checkpoint after checkpoint, and we have definitely, as we've been traveling north from the Nigerian capital of Abuja seen evidence of the security forces that the government is sending to combat the Boko Haram threat.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] NEWSROOM starts now. And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. We start this morning with breaking news. The terror group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, AQAP, now says that it was, indeed, behind the attack on the "Charlie Hebdo" offices that left 12 people dead. And the plot was years in the making. In a new video al Qaeda's top commander in Yemen said, quote, "We clarified to the Islamic world that al Qaeda chose the target, laid the plan, financed the operation, and appointed the premiere." The top al Qaeda commander, pictured here, you're going to see him in a minute, goes on to call the Kouachi brothers, quote, "heroes," and that the attack was mastered by the late Anwar al-Awlaki before his death in 2011. That would mean the attacks were at least three years in the making. This message from al Qaeda comes as the latest issue of "Charlie Hebdo" hits newsstands with lines snaking through the streets of Paris as thousands lined up to snap up the satirical magazine's first publication since the staff was gunned down. Barbara Starr joins us now with more on these claims by al Qaeda. Good morning, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. But first we have new information here at CNN. A U.S. official tells me they now believe, their assessment, if you will, is that when Cherif Kouachi, the younger brother, left Yemen in 2011, he left with a pile of cash. It may have been as much as $20,000 given to him by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula to help finance future attacks. They're trying to nail down the specifics. But that's where they are this morning, that he left Yemen in 2011 after a short trip there with a pile of cash. This all goes to the point of what was al Qaeda's role in either directing this attack all the way back to 2011 or at least inspiring the brothers to carry it out. Now Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the most dangerous al Qaeda affiliate right now. The one of biggest concern to the United States because they have the technical ability to make bombs that potentially can get past airport screening. Anybody that could potentially put a bomb on an aircraft obviously a top concern. What they're trying to figure out right now with this latest claim by Al Qaeda, that it directed the attack, that it picked out the targets. You know, is it really true? Is it a claim of responsibility to get more attention in the world or is it true? Does this really date all the way back to 2011 when Kouachi went to Yemen, got weapons training, may have met directly with Awlaki before he was killed in the U.S. drone strikes and this whole plot was basically fermenting for a couple of years? Or did they go home, stew about things, have these jihadist tendencies and then look for a target to attack? All of this still to be really sorted out, but make no mistake, the claim this morning by Al Qaeda in Yemen, a very serious concern to the U.S. Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Barbara Starr reporting live from the Pentagon this morning. Thank you. As you might have noticed, the investigation is quite complicated. Al Qaeda in Yemen claims it's responsible, but we also know that one of the other terrorists, Amedy Coulibaly, pledged allegiance to ISIS. Actually that's not him but we have this video. You can see him speaking alongside an ISIS flag. So let's talk about this. I'm joined by my partner in Paris again today, Jim Sciutto. He's our chief national security correspondent, and Paul Cruickshank, CNN's terror analyst and author of "Agent Storm," the story of a spy inside Al Qaeda in Yemen who led the CIA to Anwar al-Awlaki. Jim, I'd like to start with you. Al Qaeda in Yemen claims the attack on "Charlie Hebdo" was assigned, accepted, financed and successful. The plan was at least three years in the making, we think. So how did French authorities miss this?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] It's one of many signals that they missed. Keep in mind, because, remember, they did have these brothers for years in fact, three years in fact, after they return from Yemen under surveillance. And it was only six months before the attack, and remember it was a week ago today when the gunmen stormed the offices of "Charlie Hebdo" just behind me here. It was a week ago today but last June, June 2014, they took the Kouachi brothers off surveillance making a judgment at that time that they were no longer a priority. So it adds to the list of missed signals here. And I think as well, from an American perspective, AQAP to this point has been viewed principally as a threat for getting concealing weapons and getting them on to airplanes, like the underwear bomber at Christmas in 2009, a very serious threat. They have their master bomb maker Ibrahim al-Asiri. To have them behind this attack, assuming it's substantiated over time, adds to their M.O. It effectively expands the threat from AQAP to inspiring and possibly directing gun attacks like this, if you want to call them Mumbai style or maybe we call them Paris style attacks now. But it expands their M.O. This raises the level of concern for the U.S. with AQAP, which has already, Carol, as we know, very high.
[Costello:] Right. So, Paul, do you believe that Al Qaeda in Yemen was behind the attack in Paris?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, all the indications now as if they were behind this attack. They're certainly claiming this is a senior military strategist who's claiming that's one of their key spokesman. They're not offering proof yet, though, that they've carried out this attack. There's no video of one of the brothers or two of the brothers that yet that has yet emerged. But it normally takes them a few months to put that kind of video out. But certainly all the indications pointing to Al Qaeda in Yemen, as Barbara was pointing out, U.S. now believes he may have come back from Yemen with $20,000 in cash to finance this operation. All the pointers towards the idea that one of the brothers meets with Anwar al-Awlaki, this American terrorist cleric in Yemen, and al-Awlaki recruits him into this plot. Now we know from this double agent I did the book on, who led to CIA to al-Awlaki, was close to al-Awlaki that al-Awlaki was telling these recruits, camouflage your radicalism when you go back to the West. And we also note that that seems to be what the Kouachi brothers did when they got back to the West. The French slapped on surveillance after they got a tip off from the Americans that they believe they've attended a training camp in Yemen or one of the brothers attended a camp. But in June 2014 they take off that surveillance because they think the Kouachi brothers are no longer dangerous. Clearly they were still radical it appears. They were pretending not to be radical anymore.
[Costello:] The other part of this that's confusing, Jim, Al Qaeda in Yemen on that same video that we showed folks, said the attack on the kosher grocery store was an added blessing from Allah, which means it was not part of the plot. The man who carried out that attack pledged allegiance to ISIS. So does that mean al Qaeda and ISIS are working together or we just can't determine that right now?
[Sciutto:] Not necessarily. There are overlapping motivations here and the groups frankly have common motivations. So several analysts, terror analysts have made the point that we can draw walls and lines between these groups that are too definitive and there are cases where people might be working for one or pledging allegiance to one who also get support from another. And this plot is a fantastic example of that. Because think of the other folks who have been involved. So you have an ISIS pledge of allegiance from Amedy Coulibaly, who carried out the kosher market attack. You have an AQAP claimed responsibility for this "Charlie Hebdo" shooting behind me. Remember, Hayat Boumeddiene, who is the partner of the kosher market attacker, she was fleeing France via Turkey. She's seen with a gentleman who's now been identified as someone attached to a Pakistani Afghan terror cell here so yet another group, and the Kouachi brothers were tied to another man who was seen as al Qaeda's main recruiter in Europe, not AQAP but core al Qaeda's main recruiter in Europe. So just in that one list there you have four different cells, different organizations somehow involved or connected which shows that these terror groups, they have similar motivations, they have common goals and their recruits have overlapping friendships, relationships, et cetera. It may be a mistake to imagine that just one group was responsible or involved in these attacks in Paris.
[Costello:] But, Paul, isn't it possible that all of these players could have met in France and it wasn't coordinated in the Middle East?
[Cruickshank:] That's absolutely right. I think it's extremely unlikely that ISIS and Al Qaeda in Yemen at the leadership level coordinated this. These were friends. They've known each other for five years. Two of the brothers or one of the brothers had a connection with AQAP and perhaps met some of the top leadership. And I think what probably then happened is they recruited Coulibaly, who was the guy who had good feelings for ISIS, into that plot. And that's actually what Al Qaeda in Yemen is saying today. They're saying that Coulibaly was not part of their organization, was not recruited into their plot, but the brothers recruited him at the local level. Coulibaly we don't think has traveled to Syria or Iraq. So he's not had that interaction with the group itself. But he clearly was somebody who had a lot of affection for ISIS and wanted it to be seen that he was carrying it out in their name, Carol.
[Costello:] I wanted to ask you this, too, Jim, because the new "Charlie Hebdo" issue came out today. And now we hear from Al Qaeda in Yemen. Is that just a coincidence?
[Sciutto:] It's possible. You know, remember these groups like AQAP and others, they are very good at maximizing attention, not only in their brutality, the nature of the targets that they choose, the methods they use, the brutality they use, but on picking days to maximize that message. It's very possible they're connected. And just another note about that magazine, Carol, as we talk about it. We noticed earlier, and here you'll remember, is the memorial to the "Charlie Hebdo" victims behind me, which has been growing every day. Placed among the candles and the pencils and the crayons that have been part of it from the beginning as well as the personal notes, we're seeing copies of that magazine, too, laid out there. The cover, et cetera. Another sign of support that the people of Paris, the people of France are showing as they continue to remember those events a week ago.
[Costello:] All right. Jim Sciutto, Paul Cruickshank, thanks as always. I'll be right back.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Protesters shouting "I can't breathe", march across New York after a grand jury decides not to hand up an indictment in Eric Garner's chokehold death during an encounter with police. Garner's shocked family calls for peace.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] You are looking at live pictures right now from the Kennedy Space Center. It is a historic day for NASA. The space agency launching a test flight for spacecraft it hopes one day could take an astronaut to Mars. We will cover that live the minute it happens 5 minutes after 7:00. Right now, it's about 30 minutes after 5:00 in the east. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. Breaking overnight, let's start here. Protests over race and justice erupt across the country. Just as in Ferguson last week, the flashpoint is a grand jury decision not to indict a white police officer in the death of a black man.
[Berman:] In this case, a New Yorker named Eric Garner is the man you can see in the video right there. Garner died in July after officers used chokehold trying to arrest him for selling loose cigarettes. Our national correspondent, Jason Carroll, is in Times Square where there were protests. A lot of people involved overnight. Good morning, Jason.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning to you, John. The streets are relatively quiet this morning. Much different situation as we saw last night when hundreds poured into the streets wanting to have their voices heard. Hitting some of New York's most iconic spots right here in Times Square, the West Side Highway, Columbus Circle, Rockefeller Center, hundreds also marching across the Brooklyn Bridge, some of them shouting Eric Garner's last words, "I can't breathe." Others are shouting "black lives matter." At one point, protesters gathering at Grand Central station staging a so-called die-in lying down in the middle of the station. They marched throughout the night after the grand jury reached its decision not to indict Officer Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of Eric Garner. Pantaleo releasing a statement last night saying, "It is never my intention to harm anyone and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner. My family and I include him and his family in our prayers. I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss." Well, last night, Eric Garner's widow spoke out as well, John, saying that she could never accept the grand jury's decision or the officer's apology.
[Esaw Garner, Widow Of Eric Garner:] I'm determined to get justice for my husband. He should not have been killed in that way. He should be here celebrating Christmas and Thanksgiving and everything else with his children and his grandchildren. He can't. Why, because a cop did wrong.
[Carroll:] Again, the demonstrations last night, John, mostly peaceful. As of last count, 30 people arrested mostly for disorderly conduct. More protests planned in the coming days John.
[Romans:] Jason Carroll in Times Square, thanks so much, Jason. Eric Garner's father, Ben Garner, also had a message for the public telling our Joe Johns that he is disappointed by the grand jury decision, but people should keep protests peaceful and lawful.
[Ben Garner, Father Of Eric Garner:] I don't want anybody to get locked up and go through the same [inaudible] that we are going through all the time.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] What do you think happens next? Have you talked to the lawyers a little bit about, you know
[Garner:] Well, the feds will take over.
[Johns:] And your hopeful that the federal government
[Garner:] I'm sure they will give us the right decision.
[Berman:] The message of peace that you heard there struck a chord with New York City's mayor. Bill De Blasio told reporters about the painful personal talk he had with his son, Dante, who is black. De Blasio says even he, the mayor of New York, had to warn his son to be careful in any interactions that he might have with police officers.
[Mayor Bill De Blasio , New York:] I couldn't help but immediately think what it would mean to me to lose Dante. Life could never been the same thereafter and I could feel how it will never been whole again. Things will never been whole again for Mr. Garner. Even in the middle of his pain, one of the things he stopped and said so squarely was there can't be violence. He said Eric would not have wanted violence. Violence will not get us anywhere.
[Romans:] Following the grand jury's decision not to hand out the indictment in Garner's death, the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced the Justice Department will launch a federal civil rights investigation into the case. He promised it will be, quote, "independent, thorough, fair and expeditious." The investigation will be handled at least initially by this woman. The woman President Obama has nominated to replace Eric Holder, the U.S. attorney for Brooklyn, Loretta Lynch. The president himself also weighed on the Garner case vowing to build more trust and accountability between the police and the communities they serve.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] As I said, when I met with folks both from Ferguson and law enforcement and clergy and civil rights activists, I said this is an issue we have dealt with for too long and it's time for us to make more progress than we've made. I'm not interested in talk. I'm interested in action and I am absolutely committed as president of the United States to making sure that we have a country in which everybody believes in the core principle that we are equal under the law.
[Berman:] All right, shifting gears right now. The launch is a go in less than two hours. NASA is going to launch a highly anticipated test flight from Cape Canaveral. The unmanned Orion spacecraft will blast off at 7:05 Eastern Time on top of a Delta 4 rocket. Alina Machado is at the Kennedy Space Center where Orion you can see it right there sitting on the launch pad. Good morning, Alina.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, John. This may be the beginning of a new space era here at NASA. As you could see behind me, Orion is sitting there at the space launch complex at the Kennedy Space Center ready to go on its inaugural flight. Now Orion will spend about 4.5 hours making two orbits around the earth and reaching an altitude of about 3,600 miles. That is 15 times higher than the International Space Station. No one will be on board Orion as it makes its flight. This is to test the critical systems. These are tests that cannot be done here on earth that are best done in space. They are looking at how Orion's heat shield will work. Remember that when Orion is making its way back into earth, going through the earth's atmosphere, it's going to be traveling at a rate of speed of about 20,000 miles per hour. The temperatures will be extreme. We are talking about 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit. So they are going to be looking at how Orion's heat shield work. They are also going to be looking at how a series of parachutes are going to work to slow down Orion so it can make a safe splash down in the Pacific Ocean John.
[Berman:] The key, Alina, this is going further than we have gone in a long, long time. The shuttle flight, International Space Station flights have been in near earth orbit. We have to go deeper into space. What is NASA saying about when you know, humans may go aboard this new type of Orion spacecraft?
[Machado:] Well, it could still be some time before we actually see people on Orion. If all goes well today, the next test flight is probably going to take place in 2018. That will also be an unmanned flight. The big difference there it will be on a special rocket that is being designed by NASA. It is not going to be on this Delta 4 heavy rocket that is taking Orion today. Ultimately, NASA would like to take astronauts to an asteroid and Mars. The Mars landing is a few years away. We are talking about maybe mid-2030s.
[Berman:] An optimistic look. Alina Machado for us at the Kennedy Space Center. We cannot wait to see this launch. Thanks, Alina.
[Romans:] All right, a bizarre and scary story out of the Middle East this morning to tell you about. An American teacher stabbed and killed in a shopping mall in Abu Dhabi. Was her death related to a threat against American teachers?

[Harlow:] Police in Ferguson, Missouri working around the clock hoping to identify whoever shot two police officers on Wednesday night. The reward for information now sits at $10,000, much of which came from public donations and that number could grow as more people donate. Investigators say so far they have come up short in the manhunt. But they do say they're pursuing several leads that they may even have a correct lead on whoever fired the shots. Let's bring David Klinger. He is a professor of criminologist and criminal justice at the University of Missouri, also former LAPD officer. David, thanks for being with me.
[David Klinger, Former Los Angeles Police Officer:] Thanks for having me.
[Harlow:] Just some background for our viewers here, you were a former police officer back in 1981. You and your partner were involved in this incident. Your partner was attacked, stabbed. You ultimately ended up killing that suspect in south L.A. So not only do you have that background experience, but you're also right there in Ferguson. What is the reaction to these two officers being shot on Wednesday night? And I wonder if you're surprised that there have been no arrests yet.
[Klinger:] First of all, in terms of reaction, there's a reaction in the law enforcement community. Speak with my friends who are in law enforcement still, you know, I left some 30 years ago, but at any rate, a great deal of concern and a sense of what it takes so long. And what I mean by that is law enforcement officers here have been listening to the chants, you know, "kill the cops" on so forth, follow social media. And they're kind surprised that it took this long. And so they're very saddened, but they're not surprised. Then the community, obviously, I have a lot of contacts in the community as well, not law enforcement. And there is a great deal of concern about the dangers officers face. And so the community is largely rallying around the officers.
[Harlow:] Let me ask you this, so many of the protesters have been peaceful protesters. And we've heard a lot of them including the family of Mike Brown come out and condemn this violent act calling it heinous. This shouldn't happen. So a lot of protesters say, look, those shots didn't come from within our ranks. All though, it's also important to have a strong relationship between the police force and the community, especially when you need information from the community about who may have fired the shots.
[Klinger:] Absolutely. And in terms of the peaceful protesters versus the groups I've been calling for months the knuckle heads, there are some very bad actors who are mixed up along with the peaceful protesters. And even during the first rioting, during August and then in November again there were bad actors who were doing bad things who were firing shots. We're not quite sure who they were aiming at. Fortunately as indicated officers weren't struck. But as you point out, being able to keep a positive vent between the police and a majority of the community is very important. And it in terms of developing leads, as you pointed out, that's vital. People generally do want to come forward. They generally do want to assist police catching violent felons particularly those after police officers. But we have to remember there are some bad people out there who aren't going to want to help.
[Harlow:] Let me ask you one more question very quickly before I let you go. The statistics that came out in December report shows that the number of police officers across this country shot in the line of duty increased more than 50 percent in 2014. The officers you know in Los Angeles, in Missouri, across this country, are they scared?
[Klinger:] No, they're not scared. They understand that it's a dangerous job when they took it on but they're concerned. They're concerned about the heightened rhetoric. They're concerned about people marching through the streets of New York, for example, saying what do we want? We want dead caps. This is bad stuff that needs to be condemned roundly by everybody. And not just in the wake of a situation officers are shot. People need to be proactively condemning these fools.
[Harlow:] David Klinger, good to have you on the program. Thank you for being with me, sir.
[Klinger:] Thank you for having me.
[Harlow:] Well, part of the investigation in Ferguson involves figuring out what kind of weapon was used in the shooting. Officers report seeing muzzle flashes about 125 yards away. Our Gary Tuchman went to a shooting range to find out how feasible would it really be for a rightful or a pistol to be that accurate at that distance.
[Gary Tuchman, Cnn National Correspondent:] At the advance bullets of door gun range in Temple, Georgia, we come to find out about long distance weapon firing and accuracy for rifles and pistol at 145 yards. The distance police in Missouri believe a bullet traveled to wound two police officers.
[Unidentified Male:] his ammunition is 308.
[Tuchman:] A 308 caliber. This rifle is a Remington 700, a traditional deer hunting rifle. The target is about 100 yards away, about the same presumed range as the Ferguson gunshots. For a short lesson, I take a shot. Against my shoulder and here we go. I think that's a good shot. Indeed the bullet hits the target first try, a direct hit. Same results with the second shot. So there's no question such a rifle is capable of the shootings in Missouri. What about a pistol? Not as high powered and designed for closer range. This is a glock nine millimeters.
[Unidentified Male:] Typically we don't shoot handguns past 10-meters.
[Tuchman:] Which is about 11 yards. But our instructor Rick Ashworth will aim for the range's farthest target. This is 110 yards with a pistol. The bullet barely misses the target. The pistol doesn't have a scope and isn't as accurate as the rifle. It certainly would have hit somebody standing in a group at that distance. There's no question someone up to a no good who has a pistol can fire it and had go 125 yards.
[Rick Ashworth, Instructor:] Yes. The bullet would go that far.
[Tuchman:] How far could the bullet go? It could go much farther?
[Ashworth:] It could go a lot much further. It could go 200, 300. But as strong as that bullet, strong are drop after a certain distance.
[Tuchman:] And for that reason the pistol is to be slightly tilted up to hit the intended target at that distance. There's also the possibility that in Ferguson, someone could have taken a wild shot simply in the direction of the officers not intending to hit them, just hoping to scare them through the crowd. And that would be a bad idea. Someone nearly everyone in Ferguson, Missouri would agree with. Gary Tuchman, CNN Temple, Georgia.
[Harlow:] Gary, thank you for that report. Coming up machine gun America. That is what it's called. It is a theme park for gun lovers. Even children are allowed. We'll talk about that next. Also, why terrorists are targeting Minneapolis, Minnesota trying to recruit fighters there. But before that, two months into the fit nation challenge, out Dr. Sanjay Gupta checks in on a married couple trying to get in shape together.
[Doctor Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] How important is this to do together?
[Unidentified Female:] You know, accountability is huge. And I feel like we would hold each other accountable. We have the same goals. Like, if you don't want to work out one day but I do, let me help motivate you. Is this going to be more supporting each other or this is going to be some friendly competition?
[Unidentified Male:] I'm a little better
[Unidentified Female:] He is awesome.
[Unidentified Male:] You know I think I really just want to support each other. I just want to make it fun for both of us and help one another.
[Gupta:] Your husband. What you most concerned about?
[Unidentified Female:] For us to stay on track to make sure we stick with it. I think having that team support and knowing four other members are doing it with us, too. That's a pretty cool thing.
[Gupta:] Any doubt tight now that she is have any difficulty crossing the finish line?
[Unidentified Male:] Well, you know, concern because she had a little back surgery last year, a disc bulge. Ad you know, she was delivering babies all the time. And it is not easy. And I was a little concern but she has the strongest work ethic I have ever seen. So I don't doubt she'll finish. We may have challenges but there's no one that can outwork her. I'm excited. I know she'll finish.
[Gupta:] We'll cross the finish line together.
[Unidentified Female:] That sounds good!

[Romans:] Good morning. Welcome back to EARLY START this Monday morning. This has been a hot topic for days now. The congressman caught tweeting a young model during the State of the Union address, he thought, he thought that young woman was his daughter. A "NEW DAY" told you exclusively. A DNA test showed she wasn't. Well, Congressman Steve Cohen is breaking his silence and he talked with our Dana Bash.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Congressional Correspondent:] Well, how did it feel, congressman, when you found out that the woman you thought was your daughter is really not?
[Rep. Steve Cohen,  Tennessee:] I was totally stunned. I didn't when I took the DNA tests, I did it to satisfy her need. She said that she didn't know who her biological father was and her mental health, she needed it, but I thought it was just perfunctory. So, I felt confident for sure that it's going to come out that I was the father. When I found out i wasn't, I was floored.
[Bash:] How did you initially think that she was your daughter? Did you get a phone call from the mom?
[Cohen:] No, I thought about the mother. I couldn't sleep one night and I Googled her, and it came out that she had a bio written up on her web page, and it said she had a daughter born on the 22nd of April in 1988 and that kind of when we were together.
[Bash:] This, obviously, was not meant to be public. It was because you sent a tweet during the "State of the Union," you know, professing your love for her, and people are wondering who it was, and you said wait a minute, it's my daughter. Talk about what this has been like for this to be in the public arena.
[Cohen:] It's not comfortable. I mean, it's a personal issue. I'd like to maintain it personal.
[Bash:] Is there any concern now about the fact that she has had these three sort of tumultuous years thinking, going from thinking one man is her father to another and the back to him about just kind of the emotional roller coaster she's been going?
[Cohen:] We've both been on a roller coaster, and I understand that. I would like to think that the experience she's had at getting to know me has been good for her. I mean, going to the white house, which she and I did. It was the Christmas party, and I was proud to have her there and introduced her as my daughter.
[Bash:] Now that you know that you're not her father, what's your relationship?
[Cohen:] Well, we still communicate. I still care about her greatly. And I think she cares about me. And I hope and plan to continue to have a relationship. And, I think of her still as my daughter.
[Pereira:] An interesting story for sure. One we've been watching.
[Romans:] I can't believe that story, actually.
[Pereira:] I know.
[Romans:] I mean, every twist is more
[Pereira:] Exactly.
[Romans:] Unbelievable.
[Pereira:] Word just into CNN now. We told you this story about the 24-year-old Norwegian woman convicted in Dubai of having sex outside marriage after reporting that she had been raped. Well, she has now been pardoned. Marte Deborah Dalelv claimed she was sexually assaulted by a co-worker while on business in the United Arab Emirates. She had been sentenced to 16 months in prison. It's not clear now that she's been pardoned if she's going to stay in Dubai or she will leave.
[Romans:] Michael Jackson's mother will be back on the witness stand when her wrongful death trial against concert promoter resumes this morning in Los Angeles. Katherine Jackson faces more cross- examination from lawyers for AEG Live. She became confused and tired during questioning on Friday, and the judge adjourned the court early. Jackson's believe claim
[Pereira:] Here's the big story with a happy ending. A man had to be rescued off Hawaii in Hawaii when his boat capsized. Guess what caused it? A 230-pound tuna. The fish apparently grabbed on to a fishing line, pulled hard, by the way, throwing Anthony Whitman into the water and overturning his 14-foot boat. His leg was actually caught on the line. Luckily, he was able to shake himself free. And when rescuers got there, he was sitting on top of the upside boat. Oh, and by the way, the tuna was still on the line. There it is. A couple of friends who came and saw the boat to shore discovered that. They got to keep the fish, by the way, as a bit of thank you for their help in saving him.
[Romans:] I lost my boat, but I kept the fish.
[Pereira:] My thought is, and we'll bring in "NEW DAY" anchor, Chris Cuomo, because he is our resident fisherman. Don't ever fish for a fish that is bigger than your boat. True or false?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor, New Day:] Can they lose guideline?
[Cuomo:] You always want to go for the biggest fish, but Kate and I were just talking about how lucky he was that the fish stayed on the boat.
[Pereira:] Absolutely.
[Cuomo:] Oh, and that he lived.
[Pereira:] Oh that, too.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor, New Day:] And that he survived.
[Romans:] I mean, adding tied up, he, himself, tied up in the line.
[Bolduan:] That guys is like, I for some reason, don't have a taste for tuna anymore.
[Cuomo:] Exactly right.
[Bolduan:] Who isn't is my question?
[Cuomo:] What's today? Is it your birthday?
[Bolduan:] It's not my birthday. It's going to be someone's birthday, though.
[Romans:] Maybe tomorrow might be someone's birthday.
[Bolduan:] I'll tell you, guys, I woke up in sympathy labor pains I was so excited. It was kind of ridiculous, but we're going to be watching that, right?
[Cuomo:] Could have been gas, by the way, just so you know. The baby she's in the Lindo Wing, it's called, right? The Lindo Wing of the hospital. I am a little less urgent. Having been through this three times, she went in there this morning, seems to be a very intentional entrance into the hospital. It could mean that we're, you know, some hours away. We don't know much detail about her birthing plan.
[Bolduan:] Right. It's true.
[Cuomo:] Right? If this is an induction, if they're going to induce We don't know. So, I'm in the father mode. Very calm.
[Bolduan:] Very clam.
[Cuomo:] Very clam.
[Bolduan:] Letting it happen.
[Cuomo:] We're happy she's there. We've got a cover. We have, what, 1,500 or 1,600 people
[Bolduan:] Every single person. The interns are also going to be reporting live. We're going to be all over it as we should be. It's fun to cover, fun, happy events.
[Cuomo:] That's exactly right. I was going to say that, but not as well. It is nice to have something that will definitely shed joy, we're hoping, and has significance certainly to that culture. So, we're going to be all over. What else do we have?
[Bolduan:] We got lots of other headlines we're watching over the weekend. We have dueling protests across the nation this weekend between supporters of George Zimmerman and those angered by his acquittal. Well, now, the focus is really shifting to stand your ground laws especially one in Florida and many other states around the country. Many asking, is it time to review those laws, change those laws.
[Cuomo:] Interestingly, there had been a little bit of a trend in states moving away from them. Now, some states are saying they're emboldened by this. So, we're going to take it on. We're actually going to have a debate on the show today. We have people with very different takes on this.
[Bolduan:] I'm actually really looking forward to that.
[Cuomo:] Showing what the kind of range of discussion it is on it. We're also going to talk about two major big political comebacks. We've got you see them on your screen right there, Eliot Spitzer and Mr. Anthony Weiner. Both, obviously, we know their back stories. We're going to look a little bit at how they're approaching their comebacks and we're going to look at their wives roles, right, because there are a little different takes on the situation.
[Bolduan:] Different approaches to these comebacks. How the wife plays especially when there's a scandal surrounding any politician? That's always something everyone watches, and now, what roles do these wives have in their comeback? We have three "Cs."
[Cuomo:] We have three "Cs." We have comebacks, we have controversies, and we have conception.
[Bolduan:] I was wondering whether how you're going to do that.
[Pereira:] Not so much conception.
[Bolduan:] Well, there had to be a conception.
[Pereira:] All right. Thanks, guys. Coming up, A-Rod's big comeback on hold. Why he won't be coming back with the Yankees today? We got the "Bleacher Report" coming up. I wonder if they're on baby watch on the "Bleacher Report."

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] I know. I'm lifelong New Yorker, I don't think I've ever seen that happened before. And I forgot my hat. So, Erin, maybe I could borrow your hat once you're done.
[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] Mine is normally inside. That's all I can promise you.
[Cooper:] OK. Erin, thanks very much.
[Burnett:] Sorry.
[Cooper:] Good evening good evening, everyone. Thanks for joining us. We're going to be on for two hours tonight from a very cold, very snowy, and as you can tell a very windy New York. And it's really only just getting started. What people here have been bracing for is just now starting to arrive, even though it's been snowing since midday. Things will be getting much, much worse, very quickly, very soon. Right now, we're nine stories above Columbus Circle, here at the south western corner of Central Park, in New York City, and the reason we wanted to come up here is to really get a feel for the winds as they pick up over the next couple of hours that we're going to be on the air for. It's coming. The city certainly knows it. In just three hours, as Erin mentioned, New York is pretty much shutting down. I mean, I got to tell you, right now the streets are pretty empty. There's still a little bit of cars, some taxis out in the streets. But it's pretty deserted already. But in three hours, a travel ban takes effect. Bus, subway service ends, commuter rails stops, stop running. Many of the big bridges and the tunnels into the Island of Manhattan are going to close. And that's just the Island of Manhattan. In Connecticut, a statewide travel ban takes effect in less than an hour. All roads, all private vehicles. All up and down the northeast. The season's worst winter storm could turn out to be one of the worst of all-time. Conditions have been deteriorating all day. States of emergency already in effect here in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, all along the storm front, people getting ready for snow measuring not in inches, but in feet. And also gale-force winds, rising water, each of them dangerous on their own. But combined together even worse. It is all either forecast or happening already. We've got correspondents obviously deployed throughout the emergency zones, all across the northeast. We're going to be checking in with them throughout the coming hours. But first want to go to Chad Myers. I want to bring him in here, he's up up here with me. All right, Chad, so explain why this is such a big deal. I'm always skeptical of these kind of thing. New Yorkers making a big deal about the snow. It happens every now and then.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] And we never want to do the cry wolf thing. You know, we never wanted to say the sky is falling, the sky is falling, and then it doesn't. Because then the next time it really is going to, people don't listen. They just won't listen to us. So we have to be very careful on what we say and how much and still so far we're looking at 12 to 14 inches. That's minimum with a potential of up to 30 in some spots between here and Boston.
[Cooper:] But what's the difference here? You and I were talking before, you're talking about the winds is what really makes this of great concern.
[Myers:] Absolutely. I mean, we've had snowfalls that are 19, 25 inches before. But the wind at 55 or 60 are going to take a lot of these tree limbs down. They will lose power lines. And now all of a sudden you're 20 degrees, the wind chills 20 below, and your house doesn't have heat. That's the rub. Especially if we lose 500,000 people without power, you can't get all those power lines up at the same time. You can't even start putting it back up until the wind comes down below 40 miles per hour.
[Cooper:] In a city like New York, their power lines are underneath the ground.
[Myers:] Yes. But you go to Connecticut or New Jersey.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Myers:] And those big trees that have been there for centuries are losing power power lines right now. Limbs are falling down. And we are going to see this all night long. Before it finally peaks, and I don't even think that is until noon tomorrow.
[Cooper:] All right. So give us the timeline, all night long these high winds are going to be happening. It's going to be snowing. Do you think it peaks at noon tomorrow? How long does the snow continue?
[Myers:] I think this is an amazing spot that you've picked. Either you or Charlie or your producer picked it. I don't know
[Cooper:] I wanted to be inside. I'm I've being completely honest.
[Myers:] Here's why I love this. Because we can see the other side of the park. By 8:30, 9:00, we're going to start to lose the north side of the park. By 9:00 we're going to lose this other side altogether.
[Cooper:] You won't you're telling me, you won't even be able to see that side?
[Myers:] Not. No. Not at all. We will never see that. We're getting one or two-inch rainfall snowfall rates coming in about 9:30, 10:00, and we may not even see the building that's right there.
[Cooper:] So noon tomorrow it'll still be snowing, still be windy.
[Myers:] It's still it will be tapering off with the snow. But the wind will be blowing it around. So every time a plow comes by, and cleans your street, 30 minutes later, it's going to be drifted shut again.
[Cooper:] Wow. We're Chad is going to be with us throughout these two hours. The Jersey shore, Chad knows, already took a pounding from Hurricane Sandy. It faces one now. Our Brian Todd is there for us. Brian, as Chad was just saying, the wind is a real problem where you are. How bad is it getting right now?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Anderson, it is getting very bad. It has really picked up in the last hour. It's not hurricane force yet. But it certainly feels like if you're trying to walk in it or drive in it because it is really limiting visibility, it's limiting your ability to get around. And it's going to cause whiteout conditions in the coming hours when the snow gets heavier. This is not a vertical snowfall right now in Asbury Park, New Jersey. It's a horizontal one because the wind is just whipping us in the face from the north to the south even though the storm system is coming this way. Anderson, here's another concern. The tide is starting to come in here. You can see it maybe a little bit over my right shoulder. You may not be able to see it too much in the dark here, but it is cresting over my right shoulder. It is coming in. It is going to be at high tide at about 1:00 in the morning here at Asbury Park. And that is another concern. So you've got the wind causing whiteout conditions, you've got the tide coming in causing potential flooding in these streets, and then you've got the snow. And we're told that you could get a foot and a half to two feet of snow overnight here in Asbury Park in this area in the coming hours. The New Jersey Transit System is shutting down in a couple of hours, 10:00 p.m., buses, light rail, trains, they're going to completely stop working then. So they're really bracing for the worst of this, Anderson, in the overnight hours.
[Cooper:] Hey, Brian, how ready are residents there for the storm? Obviously, as we talked about, one of the areas that was hit hard by Hurricane Sandy have preparations been well under way throughout the day?
[Todd:] Throughout the day, yes, today. But as I think I heard Chad and some others saying earlier, that this storm didn't really come on anyone's radar as far as being a real threat until really yesterday. So they haven't had a whole lot of time to prepare for it. We just talked to two young ladies walking down the boardwalk here. Not sure why anyone would want to just take a stroll down the boardwalk at this time of night right now, but they said they are really worried about some of the areas that have not yet recovered from Superstorm Sandy. We saw some boarded-up houses not far away from here. Here's a man walking his dog. He came down here earlier and said it was not that bad out here. I would tend to disagree. But there are some houses and businesses that have still not recovered from Superstorm Sandy here. And that is a real concern. They're getting hit again a little over two years later with just a devastating storm that can do a lot of damage in a lot of different ways right now Anderson.
[Cooper:] Brian, stick stay there because Chad is here with us. He might have a question for you. But again, I mean, for the folks out there, that's the last thing people who are you know just getting over Sandy want to see. It doesn't feel that bad right now, I've got to say. I mean, it's cold, a little bit of wind. But it's no it's going to get worse.
[Myers:] It's going to get a lot worse here. It's going to get a lot worse for Brian. Brian, I want you to put your back to the wind. Straight back to the wind. I'm going we're going to watch you do it.
[Todd:] OK.
[Myers:] OK. Now I want you to put your left arm out. And now point your finger with that left arm. That's where the low is. It's not even to you yet. So if you put your back to the low, put your left arm out, that's where the low is. It has the wind has to swing around almost 45 degrees before the low gets close to him. And that won't be for another five hours. Yes, five hours of it going downhill before it even starts to get better.
[Cooper:] And you were saying is it true? I mean, Brian was saying that he had heard earlier that we really didn't know this storm was going to be that bad until just about yesterday? Because I mean I was in California on Thursday and Friday.
[Myers:] Yes.
[Cooper:] People saying there's going to be a bad snowstorm. But not as bad as we as this.
[Myers:] No. We had a clipper come by on Monday. It was, you know, two inches for Philadelphia, probably four inches for Dubois, a little bit of snow for Boston. And then all of a sudden right behind that first storm it got really cold. And then a low pressure came from the south and rolled right up behind it. And it is really, really coming down. Especially now here. I would say from about Long Branch down to Brian is where it's going to get worse in the six hours, all the way to Montauk, and then to Boston and this cape.
[Cooper:] All right. We'll tracking northeast from here, it's a stream of weather warnings and states of emergency all the way. Brooke Baldwin is in Boston, she joins us now. Chad was just saying Boston is going to get bad. What is it like right now, Brooke?
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. You know, it's definitely picked up, Anderson, as far as the snowfall. I mean, it's really, really hitting me in the face. And you're starting you're starting to feel the wind as well. That's I think really one of the big story lines, we're anticipating over the course of the next couple of hours. I mean, just walk with me, let's not trip, and this is all the snow, it's all been here where Boston Harbor. You have the water over here, Faneuil Hall over here. And so this is the snow that's already been out, and they're expecting, as you all have been discussing, maybe, maybe three feet, right? So this is just about what three feet has made. This is what they're anticipating but keep in mind, Boston knows how to handle snow. This is a town that has dealt with this many, many times over. We just had a crew who came back from the North End, which is this great little Italian district, just this way. They said a fair amount of foot traffic. Not a lot of people, Anderson, are on the roads. People are out and about in some of the restaurants, in some of the bars. They're ready for the snow. The big variable is, as it is in really across the northeastern corridors, exactly how much they'll get Anderson.
[Cooper:] Chad, how big a deal is coastal flooding in the Boston area?
[Myers:] Coastal erosion for sure. And there are a few neighborhoods that the water is going to come around the Cape and into Boston Harbor. And that water could go up about six feet. It will be a storm surge just like we get with the hurricane because this is almost a hurricane.
[Cooper:] Brooke, you haven't seen any signs of flooding, though, in Boston yet?
[Baldwin:] No, not at all. I'm staring at the water, and it is absolutely calm right now.
[Cooper:] Good.
[Baldwin:] But again, I think we're all waiting for the winds to really pick up. And I think just a piece of historic perspective, and, Chad, you know, I'm sure you know all about the blizzard of '78, because a lot of people keep saying, you know listen, Boston got the most snow in that in an X period of time, and in '03. But it was really '78, that's the chatter up here right now because that was when this city got stuck and it was horrendous damage. People were stranded on the highways. And at least people have the heads-up tonight. We've heard from the governor here in Massachusetts, you cannot drive, statewide driving banned after midnight.
[Cooper:] All right. Brooke, thanks. We're going to check on with you again. We're on until 10:00. And of course our coverage are going to continue after that. Boston's Mayor Marty Walsh, as you might imagine, a lot to deal with at the moment which is why we're glad he could take the time to talk with us briefly. He's on the phone now. Mr. Mayor, how's the city handling things so far?
[Mayor Marty Walsh , Boston:] So far so good. You know, it's picked up here. As you just said, it's getting really windy here, it's a lot there's a lot more snow. The roads are pretty quiet right now, which is good. We had our crews out there earlier doing pretreatment of the roads. And now we're getting ready for the full storm hitting us here.
[Cooper:] How much equipment do you have out there?
[Walsh:] We have over 800 pieces ready to go on the roads. Generally in a snowstorm we have about 500 to 550, but for this storm we have 800 pieces ready to go in the streets.
[Cooper:] And I know, obviously, the winds are a big concern for you because the snowdrifts and downed power lines. You have downed power lines yet?
[Walsh:] Not yet. But we're getting ready for that as well. We have pocket trucks on standby and we've been working with the National Grid here in Boston to be prepared for any type of downed power lines. And we're also, you know, working in with different teams just to make sure we stay on top of all this.
[Cooper:] Mr. Mayor, Chad Myers I know has a question as well.
[Myers:] Mr. Mayor, we talked a little bit ago about the neighborhoods that may be threatened with a storm surge, even if it's five or six feet. What are those areas doing right now? What are they preparing for this?
[Walsh:] Yes. I know that there's parts of a parts of Dorchester where I live, not my house but parts of the area in Dorchester that there's some homes that are on the water. And this particular a lot of roadways in and around the Boston area that could be affected if a storm surge came in, that would have to shut down. We're certainly keeping an eye on that, making sure those roads get shut down if they have to be. You know, that is the concern of the city. The concern of we don't have a lot of water from Cape Cod or Situate, but we certainly have roads that could be damaged and it could be long term effect if it would be that bad.
[Cooper:] And, Mr. Mayor, finally, what's the at what point do you expect the storm to peak in Boston?
[Walsh:] Well, they're saying you know they're saying it's going to snow all night tonight, through tomorrow. You know it might we'll be plowing out there all night into tomorrow. And hopefully, you know, it's not one of those storms that linger. I think the difference in '78, the storm just kind of stopped and hovered for a while. We're hoping that it's going to continue to move on so that we can begin the process of cleaning up the streets and getting the city opened again so we can so we can continue working and do what we need to do here.
[Cooper:] And I know the governor of Massachusetts put a driving ban starting at midnight for all nonessential vehicles. Your subway systems, buses, commuter trains also halt in midnight. Anything you else you want to tell the people at your city?
[Walsh:] Yes. We there's a parking ban in effect now. Just like to ask everyone, please, if you got your cars on the main thoroughfares, get them off there. And also just to check on your neighbors, make sure that your neighbors are safe, particularly any elderly neighbors or somebody who might be disabled, make sure they're all right, make sure they have enough food and supplies. They need to get through the next couple of days. And I just ask everyone please stay off the roads. I'd rather be safe. Don't get curious and take a walk down the beach, don't get curious and walk around. You know, the plows can't see you, cars can't see you. If you see homeless folks, call 911 so we can get all the homeless folks off the street. We've been doing that all day long. And just be you know, courtesy to your neighbors and make sure everyone's safe.
[Cooper:] Yes. Bringing people together. Mr. Mayor, thank you so much. Good luck to you. We'll continue checking with you. A quick reminder, make sure you set your DVR, you can watch 360 whenever you want. Coming up next, what it looks like out on the tip of Long Island expected to take worst of this massive storm. We'll be right back.

[Announcer:] Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
[Becky Anderson:] A very warm welcome. Personal messages take center stage in the Oscar Pistorius murder trial. This hour, the Olympic athlete defends himself against accusations that Reeva Steenkamp was afraid of him. Also ahead, a new twist in the search for flight 370. What Malaysian officials knew a month ago, but have only just revealed. And just in, these new satellite images from NATO purporting to show the Russian army buildup on the Ukrainian border. We take you to the front line and show you what we found. It is a very windy evening just after 7:00 in Abu Dhabi. Welcome. South African track star Oscar Pistorius returned to the stand today to defend his version of events the night he shot and killed Reeva Steenkamp. The prosecution doubted Pistorius story and meticulously questioned him about every detail leading up to the shooting. Now earlier the man who questioned him focused on Pistorius's relationship with Steenkamp and his history with firearms. He said he never treated her badly and that the shooting was not intentional.
[Oscar Pistorius, Paralympian:] I didn't intend to shoot. I was pointed my firearm was pointed at the door, because there's where I believed that somebody was. When I heard a noise, I didn't have time to think and I fired my weapon. It was an accident.
[Anderson:] Well, CNN legal analyst Kelly Phelps has been watching the trial since the beginning, joining us now live from Pretoria. So what did you make of what happened in court today?
[Kelly Phelps, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, I think it was a day of, again, two very different parts for the prosecution. In the morning, they came out with a lot of [inaudible]. They started with this character evidence, got under his skin and then managed to jump between all the different charges, essentially overwhelming him a bit, before really then grilling him on the murder charge. But by the afternoon, Pistorius had really regained his composure, the most composed he's been throughout the trial. And then the prosecution found it a lot harder to pursue their strategy of trying to build up a track record of inconsistency. He really stuck to his version of events.
[Anderson:] This, of course, is a trial without jury, that is the South African way. How do you read how the judge is reacting to this case at this stage if at all?
[Phelps:] Well, I think you can read how the judge reacts to moments of the case. That's very unlikely to that's very unlikely to mean that we can tell how she'll decide the case eventually, because we expect that with any judge in this country that she will diligently apply her mind to all of the evidence presented. But certainly today you got a sense of a bit of irritation from her, actually, when she felt that Nel was being a bit unfair in his questioning. And she did actually step in on two occasions, one before his defense team actually even objected. And essentially told him to tone it down.
[Anderson:] You're live in Pretoria with us this evening later on Connect the World, thank you. We'll talk more about the Pistorius murder trial, including just how Steenkamp's family is dealing with what is this agonizing testimony about her death. Her mother speaks about the trial and what she thinks of Oscar Pistorius's testimony, that is later in the show. Well, search crews hunting for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 believe they are closing in on the plane's location. A patrol aircraft has picked up another underwater signal in the Indian Ocean. Search officials say it is quite possible that the sound came from the plane's black boxes. Will Ripley is live in Perth with more details on today's discovery. Getting closer? That certainly seems to be the sense that we're getting. What have you heard?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correpsondent:] Getting closer absolutely, Becky. But, you know, keep in mind here we are about to enter day 35 of this search here in Perth and still we don't have a single shred of physical evidence, not a piece of debris. We don't have any photographs of this plane, but the confidence that the search teams have is based on the increasing number of these pings that are being detected, now as you mentioned, a fifth ping. And this one not detected from that Australian ship that's towing behind the U.S. Navy's listening device, this ping coming from a sonar buoy deployed by an Australian plane the P3. They flew over the search area and they manually dropped these buoys, they blanket the area. And these buoys have an underwater listening device that goes down at least 300 meters. And one of the buoys, we're told, detected a possible frequency that they think could be coming from a data recorder. So at this very moment that data is being analyzed. And we expect if there is news to report that this is believed to be from a black box, we could learn that as early as tomorrow morning. But again no physical evidence, but another promising lead as we listen for evidence from the plane.
[Anderson:] And 23:06 today, of course there. Unlikely that we'll get more information tonight now, but as Will rightly points out, hopes for tomorrow. Will, we also learned today of some information that we believe the Malaysian authorities may have had for somewhat 30, 31 days. About what happened just after this plane went rogue? What can you tell us?
[Ripley:] Yeah, our investigative team in Kuala Lumpur has been actively working this angle since we've been on the ground there. And this new information is coming from a senior Malaysian government official and also a second source who is closely working on this case. And what they're telling us is that they believe when flight 370 dropped off military radar, because it dropped off of the radar, they believe it had to go down between 5,000 and 4,000 feet this is coming from those two sources. The same sources are also telling us that in the hours after the disappearance, that the Malaysian government actually sent out search planes to look for the aircraft. So, while this gives us some more answers, it still raises a lot of questions about what exactly the government of Malaysia knew and when they knew it and how they acted on it.
[Anderson:] Will Ripley reporting from Perth, Australia for you on the latest on that search. Well, the trial of three al Jazeera journalists has been adjourned for yet another 12 days after what was a brief session in a Cairo court room. Correspondent Peter Greste and producers Mohammed Fahmy and Bahar Mohammed were detained three months ago, remember. They are accused of spreading false information and aiding the Muslim Brotherhood, which Egypt calls a terrorist organization. Now they insist that they are innocent. In Cairo, Reza Saya is outside the court room. Reza, what happened there today?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] Becky, today this trial continued to plod along at a very slow pace, seemingly not making much progress. For five sessions of this trial now, we've been waiting to see if state prosecutors can present any kind of evidence to link these defendants to any kind of crime or terrorist activity. And we simply haven't seen any evidence. Instead, we've seen a number of baffling and bizarre developments. They create the impression that state prosecutors are either not prepared for this case or are simply not taking this matter very seriously. Today, for example, prosecutors, after weeks and weeks of delay, finally presented video that they claimed showed that the journalists doctored video to broadcast false news. Every one in the court room was eager to see what this video was. However, the video turned out to be old reports from Peter Greste, the al Jazeera journalist on Somalia. There was a press conference from Kenya after the mall shooting last year. The video even included images of horses in Egypt. Obviously this video had nothing to do with this case, and the judge acknowledged this. The prosecution claimed they had more video, more video evidence, but they also claimed that they didn't have the proper equipment to show it today. So you get an idea of how this proceeding is moving along and how frustrating it has to be for the family members, many of whom were in court today. At another point in the hearing, a student who is being tried with the al Jazeera journalists, who is on a hunger strike, fainted and had to be carried out. This is a student who has claimed for months now that he has nothing to do with al Jazeera. Even so he's being tried along with these three defendants. 103 days, that's how long these three men have been in custody. For much of that time without charge. The judge today, Becky, adjourned this hearing until April 22. That means another 12 days in custody. But the most critical outcome of today, still no evidence presented by the prosecution that links these journalists to any kind of crime or terrorist activity.
[Anderson:] Reza Sayah at seven minutes past the hour there in Egypt on the story for you. Tonight, it's nine minutes sorry past the hour of 7:00 here in Abu Dhabi. We are here with the show, of course, our new home. Still to come tonight, millions turn out to vote in a crucial phase of India's marathon elections. We'll have a live report from New Delhi up next. And is Russia really gearing up to invade eastern Ukraine. We examine the evidence along the border. The show live from Abu Dhabi, stay with us.

[Bolduan:] OK. If Gaga says it, we do it. Welcome back to NEW DAY, everyone. It's time for the Pop Four and our Nischelle Turner.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] You know what, I have questions so I got through these first because I've really need to have a conversation with Chris Cuomo, OK. We're going to get to this, a mother's tough love is our number four story. Kelly Osbourne opening up about her tough history with drugs in the September issue of "Bridge Cosmopolitan," saying, it was so bad, my mom even had to put me in a padded cell once to scare me. In the words of Kate Upton, "I'm not his toy. I'm a human." It's number three. Model Kate Upton told "El" magazine that after her first "Sports Illustrated" cover, she felt terrible about herself for a month. She felt objectified and ridiculed. She also said a lot of time people treat her like a typical dumb blond and she hates it. Number two, "Blurred Lines," that big summer hit that almost wasn't. This according Robin Thicke
[Bolduan:] Best song out there. It's impossible to not dance.
[Turner:] He said the record company just didn't get this song, as much as everybody's moving to it, nobody got it. They didn't even want to pay for the video. What you think about that? All right, so many possibilities, so little creativity. The "Sharknado" sequel is our number one story this morning. It's officially got a title. Sci-Fi has confirmed it will be named "Sharknado 2, The Second One."
[Cuomo:] The reason you don't embellish is because you don't add on to the truth. That's what all good reporting is about.
[Bolduan:] So you were on the Sci-Fi Channel.
[Cuomo:] They were smart enough to want to bring this to life. Sci-Fi talks about the history of earth among other things. You see the face I'm getting on this side? Listen, I cannot convince you of these things.
[Pereira:] I'm biting my tongue because it is your birthday.
[Turner:] Let him have it.
[Cuomo:] You saw the shark in the subway the other day, right? Where is that from? Where did that shark come from?
[Turner:] The second "Sharknado" hit and we didn't even know it. Happy birthday, Chris Cuomo.
[Cuomo:] Lunch is on me. I'll wear some of your fancy designer nice fitting clothes if I'm wrong.
[Bolduan:] This is your birthday gift. "Sharknado" is truth. There it is. That was your moment.
[Cuomo:] That's blasphemy.
[Bolduan:] We said that three times on the show today.
[Cuomo:] It probably happened. Deadly flooding in the Midwest, people have been pulled in from their homes. We'll stay on that story for you.
[Bolduan:] And also alarming new details about the alleged kidnapper and killer who sparked a nationwide manhunt. Police will have the latest information for us. They need your help, coming up.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] This morning, a debate is raging about a hero. Not over what he did, that is undeniably heroic, but the fact that he is talking about it. A former Navy SEAL is creating shock waves by declaring he fired the fatal shots that killed Osama bin Laden.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Robert O'Neill told the "Washington Post" he didn't think he'd survive the 2011 raid on the terror chief's compound. He says his telling the story has brought peace to some 911 families. Yet, O'Neill is being criticized by some who say he broke this unspoken code by drawing attention to his service. Our Brian Todd is following the story for us from Washington. First of all, I think let's look at the facts. What are you hearing from your sources about his claims?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Michaela, John, there are sources disputing Robert O'Neill's claim he fired the kill shot at Osama bin Laden. Sources in SEAL Team Six, that's the team that conducted the bin Laden raid, have told our national security analyst, Peter Bergen, that it was not Robert O'Neill who fired the kill shot. Those sources are telling us that it was a man they call the point man who has not revealed his identity and who Peter Bergen says will never reveal his identity. They say that man fired the shot at bin Laden from the top of the stairs leading to the third floor where bin Laden's bedroom was, that he fired the shot from the stairs as bin Laden was peering out his bedroom door, clipped bin Laden there with a fatal wound, presumably to his head, and once bin Laden fell over, mortally wounded, then two other SEALs came into the room and finished bin Laden off. According to those sources, Robert O'Neill was one of those two SEALs who finished bin Laden off when he was mortally wounded and Matt Bissonnette, the author of the book "No Easy Day" was the other. But neither of them, according to sources from SEAL Team Six who spoke to Peter Bergen, neither of the men were the man who fired the fatal shot that killed Osama bin Laden, they say that was an unnamed SEAL they call the point man.
[Berman:] As you say, Brian, the point man, who will never reveal his name or come forward
[Todd:] That's right.
[Berman:] which is the issue here is, should these Navy SEALs who are bound by an unspoken code here not to talk about their duties, should they be talking. Earlier today, the Pentagon spokesman, Admiral John Kirby, spoke about this code of silence. Listen to what he said.
[Real Admiral John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary:] There's a code in that community that you don't talk about what you do and you don't try to get financial gain off of your operations. So it's disappointing that some have sought to do that. I won't speak to the specifics in this. Some of these things are, as you know, still being investigated. But it's it does violate a code of ethics that this community holds dear and 99 percent of them live by that code.
[Berman:] There is a flip side, Brian, too, isn't there? Generals, admirals, plenty of people retire from the military and government service and go on and write books. Nevertheless, how is this going public being received inside the SEAL community?
[Todd:] Not very well, John. There's a real brotherhood inside the SEAL community and a lot of SEALs who we talked to, former SEALs, have said that these two men have broken the code there and are not necessarily welcome back into that brotherhood. And it's not so much even an unspoken or unwritten code, it's been written about and spoken about just this week or last week. Admiral Lowsy, the SEAL team commander, wrote a letter to current and former SEALs saying, listen, do not break the SEAL ethos, is what he said. And the quote is, "The SEAL ethos is I do not advertise the nature of my work nor seek recognition for my actions." And the admiral warned of, quote, "judicial consequence" if you do break that code. You could be criminally prosecuted for it. Matt Bissonnette, the author of the book "No Easy Day," is under criminal investigation for possibly divulging classified information in paid speeches and other avenues. So his lawyer says he did not do that, that he's not guilty of that. But he is under criminal investigation for that. So not only is there an ethos, but you could be prosecuted for doing this kind of thing.
[Pereira:] And that's a very real thing to be worried about.
[Brian:] Right.
[Pereira:] It's interesting, as we talk about the loyalty that is such a part of this world, a part of the Navy SEALs, and to many this seems absolutely disloyal. Brian Todd, thanks so much for that. We appreciate it. We'll watch it obviously with you.
[Berman:] Ahead for us at this hour, just an awful attack in a Minnesota hospital caught on video. A patient on a rampage. We'll talk about violence inside health care facilities.
[Pereira:] Later on, Willie Nelson talking about weed. He's talking about politics and the White House. He talks about it with our Brooke Baldwin.
[Berman:] That's quite a tease right there.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln Host:] Tonight, the killer in a loud music trial in his own words.
[Michael Dunn, Suspect:] I had no choice but to defend myself. It was life or death.
[Pinsky:] Does the jury believe him? Does Ms. Ali? She`s here. Plus, photo mom boating death. Did the victim show the first punch neighborhood? And our "Week of Weed" series continues. Tommy Chung is here live. Let`s get started. Good evening. My co-host is Sirius XM Radio`s Jenny Hutt, and coming up, our Tommy Chong will deliver some opinions and Ms. Ali of all people will respond. But, first, a verdict in this ridiculous loud music murder trial. Imagine all those words. It`s ridiculous. The verdict could come soon. Today, the man, the white man, accused of murdering a black teen told his side of the story under oath. Take a look.
[Dunn:] I saw two young men with menacing expressions. I thought I was going to be killed.
[Unidentified Male:] Michael Dunn is a self-defense nightmare. He is a defense attorney`s nightmare right now. Jordan Davis was never a threat to you, was he, Mr. Dunn?
[Dunn:] Absolutely. He was.
[Unidentified Male:] You thought everybody in the car was a thug or a gangster, right?
[Dunn:] After the way they behaved, yes, I did.
[Jane Velez-mitchell, Hln:] No matter what he said, no matter how much he yelps, he is not going to get Michael Dunn to back down.
[Unidentified Male:] You don`t recall saying, I hate that thug music?
[Dunn:] No, if I would have said anything, I would have called it rap crap.
[Unidentified Female:] The minute they keep citing that music, it`s rap music. That is subtle racism.
[Pinsky:] Joining us, Jillian Barberie, TV and now, radio personality. She`d be co-hosting KABC Radio`s "Mid-Day L.A." starting Monday. Congratulations, Jillian. The defense attorneys here are going to tell us how a defense attorney even takes this case. Michael Catherwood, TV and radio host, of course, my co-host on "Love Line". Samantha Schacher, social commentator, and host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network, and Ms. Shahrazad Ali, social commentator, author of "The Blackwoman`s Guide to Understanding the Blackman." First, HLN`s Christi Paul is here with the latest Christi.
[Christi Paul, Hln:] Oh my God, Dr. Drew, literally, social media exploded when he was on the stand today. I mean, comments on Twitter were ranging from, oh, he`s confident. He`s telling the truth. He`s cocky, he`s words I can`t describe and he`s smug, but then he`s sincere. I mean, I had one woman tweet saying I want so badly to hate this man, but I`m finding myself believing him. So tomorrow, we expect closing arguments and the fact is, this jury could get the case as soon as 4:30 Eastern.
[Pinsky:] Thank you, Christi. Anahita, you told me in the makeup chair that you thought the prosecution blew it.
[Anahita Sedaghatfar, Attorney:] I think they did a horrific job today. Dr. Drew, after their job on cross exam, I think there is a chance for acquittal here. And hear me out, OK? This is a tough defense. But come on, these are the same prosecutors that prosecuted the Zimmerman case. They made the great mistake of Zimmerman of putting be every the jurors that re-enactment tape so the jurors got to hear Zimmerman testify without him being subjected to cross examination. That was a huge mistake. So, they didn`t want to make that same mistake here. So, they didn`t plan an interrogation tape of Dunn. So they forced him to take the stand. Great strategy. But what happened here? When they had the chance to cross examination him, all the prosecutor did was ask open ended questions, allowing Dunn to talk, talk, talk, instead of asking pointed direct, yes or no questions. Their biggest day turned out to be their biggest fail. And I think
[Pinsky:] Ms. Ali, what did you make of this? Hang on a second, Sam. Ms. Ali, first. Ms. Ali, go ahead.
[Shahrazad Ali, Social Commentator:] Well, I kind of agree with her. I think those two prosecutors were horrible. I don`t know why they keep putting theme failed white people up there. Where are the black prosecutors so that they can deal with about the black issues? They`ll know what questions to ask them to pull him out and show his real personality. But all they did was allow him to give every reason we could think of that he was justified, had a right for the do what he did and most of the white people listening to him, I listen to him and I`m black, start to say, well, you know what, he got a point. So, actually, they blew the case again. Why are they getting those failed prosecutors up there and not get some new people?
[Pinsky:] Go ahead, Samantha.
[Samantha Schacher, Social Commentator:] Dr. Drew, I completely disagree. I think the prosecution did lead, but that doesn`t compare to the destruction of Michael Dunn caused to his own case. He buried himself today on that stand. Not only did he provide the opportunity for prosecution to disprove his statements with evidence, but he showed the jury his real actual character, which was combative
[Ali:] No, he didn`t.
[Schacher:] argumentative and that`s the way that Michael Dunn acts in a courtroom with a judge, can you imagine how he acted in that gas station parking lot under the influence to Jordan Davis and those teens? I think he sealed his fate today.
[Pinsky:] Michael
[Michael Catherwood, Radio Personality:] You`ve got to understand that.
[Sedaghatfar:] No way.
[Catherwood:] We`ve already established she a combative and a confrontational guy because anybody and I have been in places where I wanted to tell people how to behave. I see guys littering or I see people hit spanking their kids at the supermarket, I want to intervene, but you oftentimes just think, well, it`s probably not a good idea. I don`t want to cause a scene or I don`t want to be unnecessarily confrontational. He approached a car full of people.
[Pinsky:] Right, and he did it when he may have been drinking a little bit, too. I`m thinking about you back in the day with Lee Stowe in the inner city.
[Catherwood:] Yes.
[Pinsky:] When you were sort of, you probably had an attitude when you were running around with those guys. Did you ever do anything like this?
[Catherwood:] Sure. I mean, I never was the type of guy. I was probably too hammered to ever get the word out. But I would want to do stuff like that. Because, I mean, he`s, all I`m saying is he is clearly a confrontational guy. It takes a special person no matter how angry you are.
[Sedaghatfar:] You guys are missing the point, though.
[Catherwood:] You`re absolutely right. You`re right.
[Ali:] You know what the problem is, Dr. Drew?
[Pinsky:] Ms. Ali, please tell me.
[Ali:] The problem is that we as laymen people on my side, we`ve looked at too much television. We looked at "CSI". All of those different programs where the prosecutors are full of death and they`re thorough and they`re qualified. Then we get these dummies come up there and blow the whole case in a day. This is what the problem is. We are seeing prosecutors succeed and getting the bad guys. Listen, you remember about a year ago when the police actually shot the man in the back. He thought he was his taser and he pulled his gun.
[Jenny Hutt, Co-host:] Yes.
[Ali:] This time, Dunn may have to take one, but that guy got three years, that`s all he got, was three years, and he only served eight months. So, even if they convict this guy, he is not going to do time because of the stand your ground law that most white people agree with.
[Pinsky:] Jillian, I haven`t heard from you. Hold on, Jillian.
[Jillian Barberie, Tv Personality:] I lived in Florida and I love Miami. I cannot stand the stand your ground law. I think it`s horrible. There were so many holes in his story today. First of all, he gets in the car and doesn`t tell his fiancee he was threatened. That he thought that there was a weapon pointed at him. She completely contradicted his testimony today. Then he says that Davis got out of the car, and walked to him, he felt threatened, he fired shots. The medical examiner said the shots were conducive to someone sitting in that back seat on the passenger`s side. So, he is lying. And also, the fact that he is so threatened, he walks over to them and says, are you guys talking to me? Come on.
[Pinsky:] Yes, or pulls his window down, as Ms. Ali said. I`m going to play one piece of tape real quick, though. This is the victim`s parents works are lovely people. We have a tape to see how they want to position this case, not about race, but about stand your ground. Go ahead. Let`s roll this.
[Unidentified Female:] Even though race being an element in the case, we will not go in that direction.
[Unidentified Male:] Then, we get this uproar. Then we get the protests and all this stuff. And I just don`t think in my way of thinking that it`s good for America.
[Pinsky:] Jenny, what do you want to say?
[Schacher:] Amen.
[Hutt:] First of all, I think their point isn`t that race is not a factor. I think they want us to focus on the fact that their son was murdered regardless of the fact that race was a factor. If that makes sense, Dr. Drew. But back to the testimony. The guy was so arrogant and so vile that I wanted to jump through the screen and punch him. My hope is that the jury got that, because it`s about whether his reasonable belief he was in fear of imminent great bodily harm or death. I don`t think the fear was reasonable.
[Pinsky:] Anahita, last thought, you look like you really want to say something. I`m saying the guy seems smug and self satisfied. What`s up?
[Sedaghatfar:] Let`s just clear up the fact, first of all. He`s not going on a stand your ground immunity. He is arguing self-defense. It`s two completely different things. So, let`s get that straight, number one. And number two, the fact that he was able to take the stand, it`s all about credibility. He was giving the same consistent testimony on direct and on cross? I mean, cross examination is when the prosecution has a chance to poke holes in his testimony. They didn`t do that. I think
[Schacher:] Yes, they did.
[Ali:] No.
[Pinsky:] All right. Thank you, panel. Next, we heard what Dunn said. What did he really mean? We`re going to have a behavior borough look at him and his body language and look and see what they feel this man is doing on the stand today. And later, we are again today, day two of our week of weed series. Let me get my friend Tommy Chong in here and he and Ms. Ali will share their thoughts. This I got to hear. We`ll be right back.
[Dunn:] She`s my fiancee.
[Unidentified Male:] Were you living with her at the time?
[Dunn:] Yes, yes, we were. It wasn`t just my life that I was worried about. Something about a shooting on the south side, I ran for the bathroom.
[Unidentified Male:] Tell the jury why you ran to the bathroom.
[Dunn:] I vomited. Now I shot at them, so now what am I going to do? I`m shaking, I`m quivering like a leaf.
[Unidentified Female:] Did the defendant tell you he saw a weapon of any kind in that SUV? No.
[Pinsky:] Back with Jenny. And, Jenny, we`ve got a tweet here from Tiger Prince @tonystevens13, he says he sided with Anahita. "I agree with what you said on DR. DREW tonight the prosecution did a horrific job." Jenny, I think you were saying the same thing, no?
[Hutt:] Well, yes. I think the prosecution could have done a better job. It almost doesn`t matter because this guy is so reprehensible, Dr. Drew, that I think the jury will see that. That`s what I`m hoping.
[Pinsky:] Well, let`s talk about that very issue. We`re talking about a white man on trial for the murder of black teen. I`m bringing the behavior bureau and see what they think about his believability and what`s going on with him. Leann Tweeden, social commentator, Adam Lyons, behavior expert, Erica America, Z100 Radio personality and psychotherapist, and Wendy Walsh is back, psychologist, author of the "The 30-Day Love Detox." And if you would like to join the conversation, tweet us right @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorburea. Leeann, you first. Michael Dunn cried on the stand. Did you believe those tears? Did you understand what the tears were for?
[Leeann Tweeden, Social Commentator:] I didn`t believe it at all, Dr. Drew. I felt like he was crying for himself and it was a little disgusting because everything he was saying on the stand today was, I just didn`t believe any of it and it sounded like he just had it all in his mind exactly how he was going to say it. It was like he was making excuses every time. Well, I was doing it in self defense. Well, I felt like they were going to kill me. It just it didn`t seem sincere, and I don`t know, I mean, if I was a person sitting on the jury listening, I just I don`t know, things don`t add up to him. And just his reaction to everything, and the fake tears. I don`t know, it bugged me.
[Pinsky:] You bet. Wendy crying for himself, it sound like other subjects we have been talking about on this show, does it not?
[Walsh:] Exactly. When I saw those tears and I listened to his words, he wasn`t showing any remorse about having killed somebody, even accidentally or in self-defense, which is, you know, somebody with a healthy mind would literally be like, this is so awful. This young teen died. It was a terrible situation. He did the wrong thing by pulling a gun on me. I felt so awful for him and his family. No, there was none of that.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Walsh:] It was all about I was crying about what they were going to do to me. I threw up, I got so nervous about what was going to happen to me. Erica, do you agree with that?
[Erica America, Radio Personality:] Yes, absolutely. Dr. Drew, this guy is crazytime.com. It`s smug. It`s beyond that. Let`s talk about 10 bullets. If you`re scared for your life and you don`t want to hurt anybody, you fire one shot, if that. He did 10 shots. Then, after that, he didn`t mention to his fiancee, there was a gun and that was the reason why he shot them. Then the biggest thing is he never made a phone call to 911 to say, I just shot my entire gun, and I don`t know what happened to these people. It was in defense of my own life, but this is what happened. To not do that takes the cake right there. There is something wrong with this guy.
[Pinsky:] Even Zimmerman, even our friend Zimmerman.
[America:] Dr. Drew
[Pinsky:] Erica, go ahead.
[America:] Dr. Drew, who goes to a wedding with a loaded gun in the front of your car? That`s insane. I`m sorry, that`s insane.
[Pinsky:] Well, the more I learn about Florida, the more I kind of think anything is possible. But, Adam, you study people`s behavior and their body language. What do you see with this man up on the stand?
[Adam Lyons, Behavior Expert:] I think one of the most important things to realize is at the very beginning, through his testimony, we get everyday of not only a time where he tells the truth but of a time where he lies. He definitely did state that, you know, I asked them to turn the music down. As you look at the way he says that, he is very clear, very consistent in the way he says that. However, there is another story he is led into, which is could you hear yourself think? He said, yes, kind of. I may have said that, I may not have. And as the question continues, we find out that actually he didn`t say that. He didn`t believe it. So, we get this baseline for when he lie, of him hesitating, pausing, the threat of the whole testimony. You keep watching the elements he says, he would pause, hesitate, and even show other classic examples of lying like putting his hand over his mouth.
[Pinsky:] Well, that was the thing not only handed, but actually putting the hand over his mouth, taking a handkerchief and putting over his mouth. That to me seemed like sort of an extreme, almost like a guilty or a shaming hiding kind of a thing. Leeann, agree?
[Tweeden:] Yes, of course. I mean, who, Dr. Drew, wants a weapon? Look, I am a responsible gun owner. But I would never unload a weapon at somebody, drive away and then just go order some pizza because my girlfriend or my fiancee had an upset stomach. That`s his excuse? That is inexcusable behavior to not even call 911, to not know if he killed somebody or hit anybody.
[Pinsky:] We are looking at a picture here of Leeann of where he was when he shot in the vehicle, and where the young guys were in the vehicle. And so, Leeann, I guess you would discharge your gun and then call the police, right?
[Tweeden:] Well, I mean, if that`s the situation that I mean, he`s claiming self-defense, which, obviously, it seems a little one-sided. But if that`s how he fell, that`s how he felt. As a responsible gun owner, you should obviously actually call the police and say what happened and make a report and you want to stick around or at least be close and go back to walk the cops through how it happened.
[Pinsky:] Wendy, I`m just imagining Leeann as a gun toter. I`m having trouble
[Walsh:] It`s quite a scene.
[Pinsky:] Wendy first, then Adam. Wendy go ahead.
[Walsh:] OK, I`ll tell you what Leeann wouldn`t have done. If somebody was playing large, loud music that was bothersome at a gas station, you know how you stop that? You roll up your window. OK? You drive away.
[Pinsky:] You don`t go into trouble. By the way, people that are really skilled with self-defense and guns know how to not get in trouble. But, Adam, go ahead. What do you want to say?
[Lyons:] The biggest thing missing from this entire story is, where is the fear? If somebody puts a gun in my case I`m recounting my story, I`m talking about how I was scared, I was worried. He felt I was in danger. You are I was completely terrified.
[Pinsky:] Erica, last word.
[America:] I just want to say, if people weren`t allowed to have guns, civilians, it wouldn`t be the Wild, Wild West, where people are saying, hey, I see my gun. I`m going to pull out my gun.
[Pinsky:] So I want you to go
[Tweeden:] No, I don`t agree with that.
[Pinsky:] Put on your gloves, have at with Leeann. We`ll see you after the break. Next up, the beating case may not be what it seems. There is more to that story. Tonight we will look at the video. This is kind of a sad story. Later, the "Week of Weed" continues with the man who made became famous and made millions from being a stoner, Tommy Chong. Back after this. Killed outside a nightclub. People watch and take pictures and videos as she is kicked and punched to death.
[Unidentified Female:] Three women were involved in a street fight, which resulted in the death of 23-year-old Kim Pham.
[Unidentified Male:] There was a group exiting. That was a group that she was in and Miss Pham and her group were outside as they crossed paths. A verbal altercation which then erupted into a physical altercation. When you see the girl`s fight, it`s really scary because people start to egg the girls on.
[Pinsky:] Oh, wow.
[Schacher:] They think it`s funny. They think it`s sexy. The defense attorney is already saying, look the victim started it. They`re saying it was more than a photo bomb.
[Pinsky:] Fabulous. Blame the victim fantastic.
[Unidentified Female:] That`s where they go.
[Pinsky:] All right. We are back with Jenny, Sam, Wendy, Erica and for the first time in the behavior bureau, Anahita joins the behavior bureau. The story we thought we knew about this deadly nightclub beating may not be entirely true. Loni was talking about there in that report. The initial reports were Kim Pham photo-bombed a group of women, and they retaliated by knocking her to the ground and kicking her in the head. But police now say, police testimony reveals Kim may have thrown the first punch. Cops are looking at cell phone recorded by witnesses. Here is one case example of that. One officer testified that Kim bumped into the women, as they were leaving the club. They hurled obscenities at her. And then, Kim was physically restrained by her friend, broke free, punched one of the women and that`s where this all went down. Kim Pham struck first. Does that, Anahita, our legal person on the behavior panel. Does that change your mind about the case?
[Sedaghatfar:] That definitely changes the reflection of the case, Dr. Drew, because now you have certain individuals that will testify at trial it was Pham that was the aggressor. And then you`re going to have other individuals that will testify it was the defendants that were the aggressors. So that muddies the water.
[Pinsky:] I saw Sam going, Anahita, I know you didn`t.
[Schacher:] Yes, Dr. Drew. No, you didn`t, Anahita. OK, even for argument sake, because I`m not saying that Pham is the one that threw the first punch. But even if she did, that doesn`t license these girls to bet her, beat the life out of her literally. And you see in the footage, not only did she fall to the ground after being punched ten times, I mean, you fall to the ground, you are defenseless. But after she was defenseless and on the ground, they continue to kick and punch her to where you see her body go limp and she becomes unconscious. They killed her and they deserve to suffer the consequences.
[Pinsky:] All right. Listen, Wendy, I want you to watch this. I`m just thinking of myself how interesting this, finally, a case not in Florida. But here we go. No guns interestingly guys. But Kim`s friend, Jennyane Truong, joined me on the show not long after this her friend died and she`ll have a hard time believing that Kim started the fight because listen to how she describes this young man. And, Wendy, and I want to talk about this issue of possibly blaming the victim.
[Jennyane Truong, Kim`s Friend:] Kim is a person who has a heart of gold. She would not
[Pinsky:] Had she ever been in a fight before?
[Truong:] You know what? No. Not to my knowledge. And I`m pretty sure many people can vouch to that as well. Kim is not a person of violence. Kim is a person of love. She preaches love and her action, her actions mirrored that.
[Pinsky:] And yet, Wendy, held back by her friends.
[Walsh:] Yes, I don`t mean to disagree with this woman, but, you know, anybody can be enliven towards violence or aggression if they are threatened and we don`t know what kind of drugs or alcohol might be in their system. But again, this is not to blame the victim, just because she threw a punch doesn`t mean she deserves to die. I think the more tragic issue about all of this, is this darn bystander effect, Dr. Drew. We see it over and over and over. Did you know that if you`re having problems in public, even if you`re suffering a heart attack, an epileptic fit, if there`s violence, the more people around you, the less likely it is that you will get helped. Isn`t that terrible? It`s terrifying.
[Pinsky:] However, if one person breaks that pattern, one person steps out of crowd and help, others are likely to follow. So, everybody, please, for crying out loud, you see something where people need help, go help them. Don`t look around and who else is helping. You always can make a difference. And somebody, even if you don`t know how to help, somebody in there does and they will follow you. Erica, you had a comment.
[America:] Yes, I just want to say it doesn`t matter about her character, who threw the first punch. She did not deserve to be beaten to death because of mob mentality and piling on and that`s what happened. So, if we can somehow, through the video, single out what they did do most of the boating and the blunt force trauma to the head, they should be prosecuted in a murder trial. That`s just what I feel, that this girl was killed.
[Pinsky:] Anahita, what is your prediction on this case?
[Sedaghatfar:] Yes. My prediction is I think it`s too soon to tell. I think they have viable self-defense arguments here, especially now in light of the fact that there could be reasonable doubt. But, Dr. Drew, let me lay down the law please for the last time about something you mentioned and I think one of your other guests mentioned. In these self-defense cases, there is always people screaming out, oh, they`re blaming the victim, they`re dehumanizing the victim you have to understand when you are arguing self defense, you guys, you have to show the defendant feared the victim. So, what do you do? You don`t portray the victim as some innocent, lovable angel that would never harm a fly. That`s not self defense. You have to show that that victim was someone who was aggressive, someone that was scary, someone that you feared. So, that is what`s going on.
[Pinsky:] We are so happy we have defense attorneys. Everyone feels comfortable with it. Here we go. We will stop. Next week, it`s the "Week of Weed" day two. I thought we`d bring in Tommy Chong, why not? And have Ms. Ali discuss this with him. And later, some videos that will take your breath away. What`s this dad about to do with this baby on the railroad tracks? We`ll be right back after this.
[Unidentified Male:] You know, they legalized an ounce of marijuana in Washington State so I decided to roll mine up into a joint. So, this is going to be across OG cush, vanilla cush, and sweet tooth.
[Unidentified Female:] Colorado became the first state to sell marijuana for recreation.
[Unidentified Male:] It`s already going for $50 per eighth of an ounce.
[Unidentified Female:] Recreational marijuana businesses in Colorado made at least $5 million in their first five days of sales.
[Unidentified Male:] If money exchanges hands, we need to wet our beaks. You know what I`m saying? Who wants to Colorado is literally thumbing its nose at the federal government. You guys wanted to score some weed?
[Dr. Drew Pinsky:] I`m smoking out too much, I guess.
[Pinsky:] These chips are really good, though.
[Nancy Grace, Hln:] I don`t want my babysitter high on pot. All right. Does anybody?
[Pinsky:] Jenny and I are back. It is time for our series "Week of weed." Recreational pot is now legal in Colorado. And my guess tonight each have an opinion, diverse group of opinions. Back with mike, Leeann, Erica, Miss Ali, and joining to the panel is Tommy Chong, famous of course for Cheech & Chong, up and smoke and his comedy records, and also as a pot advocate. Tommy, thank you for joining us, by the way. Let me take took off his net bong or whatever that thing is before
[Tommy Chong, @tommychong:] Don`t do it.
[Pinsky:] It happens. Yes, it happens. Right. It`s always very But you speaking of being sensible, you served time back in 2003 for selling bongs, is that right?
[Chong:] I did. I did nine months.
[Pinsky:] And now
[Chong:] In jail.
[Pinsky:] it`s all legal. I mean, how do you understand the laws from your perspective?
[Chong:] Well, I always knew it was good for you. I mean, that was one of the reasons that I did it. You know, I`ve smoked pot, you know, most of my life and especially lately because I was diagnosed with prostate cancer a year ago. And I started treating the prostate with marijuana and I`m glad to say that I`m cancer-free right now.
[Pinsky:] Michael, weed not good for you as a recovering guy?
[Mike Catherwood, Co-host, "loveline":] Exactly. Exactly. Look, but I`m not going to say sit here and say that it shouldn`t be legalized and that it is as dangerous as some of these people who are leading the witch hunt against marijuana are trying to say it is. I think it was Nancy Grace has said, you wouldn`t want your babysitter high on weed, would you? You`re right. But I also wouldn`t want my babysitter drunk. And you can go buy a bear anywhere you want in this country. So, this is absolutely unreasonable, some of the arguments that people make against marijuana. It is terrible. And it was dangerous for me. You know what else was, cocaine, an acid, a meth, an ecstasy and all these
[Pinsky:] And alcohol and tobacco.
[Catherwood:] because I`m a drug addict. I`m a drug addict.
[Pinsky:] You`re right. But you did chew. You`re going to make cancer from that one day. You did a lot of alcohol. That certainly alcohol was your primary drug, wasn`t it?
[Catherwood:] I still to this day as someone who is, you know, by the grace of God, is sober. I still to this day drink dangerous amounts of caffeine. I`m an addict. And that`s all legal. You can talk about whether you like a drug or not, that`s your opinion, but it`s absolutely unreasonable and insane what these people are trying to the people who are against marijuana being a legal product in this country
[Pinsky:] You`re sitting next to one Before I get to Leeann, I want to get Miss Ali. She and I have never discussed this. So, I`m very curious what her take is on all this.
[Voice Of Shahrazad Ali, Social Commentator:] Well, first of all, Dr. Drew, there is two points here that I see as the major thing. The laws to legalize marijuana in America was not something that was done to appease the Latino population or the Black population because more White people in America use drugs than any other nationality. That`s one. Secondly -
[Catherwood:] I don`t know about that.
[Ali:] Marijuana is one of the first attempts on the Black man in America to be self-employed and that was a business he could go into that you all didn`t have to give information to get hired. And as long as he didn`t get caught, he was able to have a business. Bob Marley had already told us it`s not a drug, it`s an herb. And you know how popular he was and how wonderful a man he was and his music was
[Chong:] Yes, I totally agree. It`s an herb. It`s a medicine. The Chinese used marijuana as a medicine for over 5,000 years. And we all know the Chinese, you know, they`re the ones that gave us tai chi, acupuncture, and all sorts of great natural herbs to cure a lot of illnesses. And so
[Pinsky:] All right. Let`s talk to Leeann. Leeann`s got point of view and then Erica. Leeann, go ahead. Leeann first, though Leeann.
[Leeann Tweeden, Social Commentator:] Look, as somebody that has never done drugs in her life, and I`ve never even smoked a cigarette, I prefer jumping out of planes and drives race cars if anybody is going to ask me. But I hate drugs. I`ve always hated drugs. I grew up during the time when it was just say no. My brother got addicted to crack when we were in high school. So, I saw all the bad things at a very young age, and I`ve hated it. Sure. I know. I hear from all my friends, marijuana is not as bad as cocaine, as heroin, as meth, but I hate it nonetheless. And I hate that if it gets legalized, and I hate to say this, a gateway drug. But, I talked to Mike last week in the studio, and I think Mike will agree with me. I asked him, I said, "how do you get addicted to cocaine and heroin? You have to do it first." And he`s like, "well, you just don`t shoot, you know, your arm full of heroin the very first time you do drugs. You do start with something like pot. And you do start with, you know, alcohol.
[Pinsky:] Leeann, today, in fact, there was an article in the "New York Times" today that pointed out something I`ve been saying for the last five or ten years, which is the new gateway drug is opiate pills. It`s pills. It used to be back in the day when I first started working, it was alcohol, pot, cocaine. That was the gateway. That`s what got people really going, but now, it is pill. Miss Ali.
[Chong:] Why do you blame the gate?
[Ali:] Marijuana in America has always been legal for some people. One of the founding fathers, George Washington, he grew marijuana for 30 years in the 1700 on his plantation. And doctors here in America use marijuana as a medicinal purposes and everything and even big companies in the 1930s like Eli Lilly and Park Davi. They sold cannabis and marijuana as a liquid form, OK? So, the drug companies have been using it and the government said that in 1910, that the Mexicans are the ones that taught Americas how to use marijuana for recreational purposes, because they were doing to right this thing and using it only for medicine.
[Pinsky:] OK. I got I wanted to say, my biggest concern is Erica, I`ll let you comment here. But let`s remember, tobacco is also a plant. And doctors, I`m sure I feel like who is George Washington`s doctor? I`m blanking his name right now. I`m sure he was like, oh, boy, this is not going
[Catherwood:] Conrad Murray.
[Pinsky:] No, it`s not Conrad But it feels kind of the same to me, Erica, like there`s going to be a big cannabis that comes out of this. It`s just a plant that alters people and businesses are going to get ahold, but go ahead.
[Erica America, Radio Personality:] I understand the legalization with it. In fact, I`m on board with it, but what he have to understand is that while it helps people like Tommy, some people, it`s addictive to others and it can be really harmful. So, we have to be very vigilant about this going forward just like alcohol is legal but can mean death for some people. So, I just think
[Pinsky:] That`s right. It`s not that`s right.
[America:] It can`t just be always good for me, it`s good for everyone.
[Pinsky:] Right. It is hang on, Miss Ali, but just because something is addictive does not mean it should be illegal. And I agree those of us in the medical profession and you, Erica, in the mental health profession will be very vigilant about what the consequences of all this is. Ali, Miss Ali, last word.
[Ali:] Here`s the last word. Here`s one bit of trivia we`re all going to love. Back in 30 A.D., according to Exodus and the New Testament at a bible, Jesus anointed his disciples with a mixture of olive oil and marijuana cannabis, OK? And He said
[Pinsky:] I think Tommy was there.
[Ali:] It`s a lot of people that believe that until today.
[Pinsky:] Tommy just stood up and applauded there. I think Tommy was actually there.
[Chong:] That`s the burning bush. Hey, that`s the burning bush that Moses talked to. God appeared to Moses in the form of a burning bush. That was the bush that he And when God saw Moses, he handed Moses, he said
[Pinsky:] Michael, I know Michael, I bet you saw God a couple times when you were exposed to the burning bush as it were.
[Catherwood:] Yes, I was, you know? And every time I was exposed to the burning bush, I told girls, they got to get a Brazilian wax.
[Jenny Hutt, Attorney:] Yes, OK.
[Pinsky:] All right. Thank you, everybody. We`re going to have Thank you, everybody. I`m not sure if we took this conversation anywhere. Let me quickly check Twitter to see if anybody "so, pill is the most used drugs." That`s what Latoya Robinson. Next up, check out this video of a father who appears to throw his baby in front of an oncoming train. We will show you how this goes, how it turns out. Back after this.
[Unidentified Kid:] My biggest fear is getting kidnapped. So, today, I want to see if people actually help me if I were to get kidnapped.
[Unidentified Male:] I have ice cream. I have candy. I have TV. Just be quiet while I take you to the car. Don`t say anything. I`m going to take care of you, OK?
[Pinsky:] That video, Jenny, is from new show
[Hutt:] That
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Hutt:] First of all, I love that kid. And second of all, if people didn`t stop and help him, they`re total you know what.
[Pinsky:] He`s like the man show boy. I want to give you a tweet real quick here. It is from Blue Jay, and he says, "Tommy Chong, fabulous point. There are many gateway drugs. Don`t blame the gate. One man poisoned is not everyone."
[Hutt:] Right.
[Pinsky:] It`s interesting. And I think if I can get no other message driven home through all this cannabis conversation is pills are the problem today. Be much more concerned about pills right now than anything else. Cannabis is epilogue at this moment. All right. Back with Sam, Jillian and joining us, two of the hosts of "Right This Minute," Beth Troutman and Steven Fabian. Beth, tell us about the new show.
[Beth Troutman, Host, "rightthisminute":] This show is all about videos before they go viral and the stories behind them. I mean, the internet is a huge space. Who has time every day to go through all of that and find the best stuff? We do all of that for you guys and then take it a step further to get the stories behind them and it`s unscripted. It`s us watching videos along with our viewers. We have no writers. It`s just a lot of fun.
[Pinsky:] I saw the show last night. I thought, this is a great show. You`re going to get these guys on our show immediately. Steven, set up what we just saw coming into this segment.
[Steven Fabian, Host, "rightthisminute":] What you guys just watched is actually a clip from a YouTube channel called "Fousey Tube" skits and funny stuff. At this time, doing a very serious, social experiment about kidnapping. You see, they send a young boy out there, approaching strangers, guy and girls, telling them, hey, somebody in a coat is after me. Somebody in this big jacket is after me, took me away from his parents, took away from my parents. He`s asking me to get inside his car. And, basically, they`re recording people`s reactions, what they do
[Pinsky:] What`s the predominant reaction?
[Fabian:] It`s a bit of a mixed bag. You saw there in that clip that the kidnapper was kneeling down, saying, I got candy, I`ve got ice cream, I`ve got TV, come with me. And you noticed that guy in the back, he hears this. And he stops and he goes back. And I think we have the other part of that clip to see what that guy did.
[Pinsky:] Can we see that clip, control room? Here we go.
[Unidentified Kid:] He was chasing me.
[Unidentified Male:] It`s my son. Sorry about that.
[Unidentified Female:] What`s going on?
[Unidentified Kid:] He was
[Unidentified Male:] That`s my son.
[Unidentified Female:] No. He`s saying that you`re not his father.
[Unidentified Male:] Timmy, come home.
[Unidentified Kid:] He`s not my father.
[Unidentified Male:] [Inaudible]. Timmy, come home. What are you going to do? You can`t stop me.
[Pinsky:] Sam, they pepper sprayed the guy.
[Hutt:] Good.
[Samantha Schacher, Social Commentator:] Good. Yes.
[Fabian:] You can see reaction from all sorts of people. Some people got physical with the kidnapper. Some people were duped by him when the kidnapper was kind of more friendly and joking around, more jovial. They kind of let the kid go.
[Pinsky:] Reaction. Sam.
[Schacher:] I carry pepper spray. I would have pepper sprayed him, too, or I would have done that whole grab, twist, pull maneuver because I just don`t trust situations like that. I was the first person who called police and held on to that kid until they showed up.
[Troutman:] That`s good maneuver, by the way.
[Pinsky:] Jillian.
[Jillian Barberie, Social Commentator:] I thought or just kick him in the balls. But you know, I thought the whole idea when the guy used humor, when the guy used humor, they were more likely to just let the kid go. The husband and wife at the end with the pepper spray. I love them. There are so many people that just restored my faith in people again that, you know, going to do the right thing.
[Pinsky:] No bystander effect in this video. No bystander. Next up excuse me I`m too excited by the show. video is about to show it looks like he`s about to throw a baby onto the tracks. We will show you what he does do. And a reminder, you can find us any time on Instagram @DrDrewHLN. We`ll be right back after this. Back with Jenny and Sam, Julia and Beth Troutman and Steve Fabian. Beth and Steven host HLN`s new show "Right This Minute" which follows us tonight. Beth, tell us about the next video.
[Troutman:] This video we got from nine news in Australia. And if you watch the surveillance footage from a Sydney train station and you see that guy in yellow. He looks as if he`s pretending to throw a small toddler in front of a train that is coming into the station. People at the time did not report this guy`s actions. Now, the people that have seen the surveillance footage, police are looking for help trying to figure out who this guy is, because they don`t know exactly what was going on. They don`t know if it was a father. They don`t know if it was a relative or if this guy was just being playful.
[Pinsky:] Well, it`s not playful. I want a reaction from our moms on the panel. Jillian Jenny, go ahead.
[Hutt:] What is wrong with that guy? What if he accidentally slipped or his hands
[Pinsky:] Jillian, it reminds me of Michael Jackson holding his son back in the day over the balcony. Remember the reaction to that?
[Barberie:] I do, but you know what so weird, I saw that video, you guys, and I wasn`t as offended as I was for the next video of the baby being locked in the car. I
[Pinsky:] All right. Let`s get to that. Let`s get to that. We have limited time, Jillian. You react to that. Beth, tell us about the baby in the car.
[Troutman:] This is at a shopping center, also in Australia. You see that guard standing by the red car. That`s a security guard from the shopping center. He`s breaking that window because there`s a 14-week old child in the back of that car. The car owner was inside the shopping center. They got there in time. They did get the baby out. The 14-week-old was fine, but once the woman came back to the car, once the car owner came back, she told officials that she had simply forgotten that the child was in the back of the car.
[Pinsky:] Whoa! And then, Jillian, how about the guy with the little girl standing by traumatizing her Jillian.
[Barberie:] No. It`s unbelievable. Like you forget a coat in a car. You don`t forget a kid. I understand that she is looking after the mother was sick and she was looking after the baby. That is absolutely deplorable. And yes, I have a real issue with that lady. I`m sorry.
[Fabian:] more aware of what`s going on. I feel like I`d be more hyper aware that my responsibility with someone else`s child in the car.
[Schacher:] And I think what was troubling, guys, a lot is that because of her answer, because she said it was simply a mistake, so far, no charges have been filed against
[Troutman:] It was 104 degrees outside. It was scorching.
[Pinsky:] We got to leave it there. I got to go to the "Last Call." We`ll see you guys after our show ends. We`ll be right back. It is time for the "Last Call." And Jenny, today, NBC`s Tom Brokaw revealed that he has a cancer, hematological malignancy. Some people call it a bone marrow cancer. Multiple myeloma. This is an unrestrained growth of a certain blood cell line to the bone marrow. Apparently, he was diagnosed in August. I wonder if you have any questions about this condition?
[Hutt:] Well, Dr. Drew, yes. my question is, how many kinds of cancer are there, because I feel like
[Pinsky:] As many cells Jenny, as many cell types is there are on your body. Any cell in your body and even cells that go through transformations like lymphocytes can at any stage in there transformation can suddenly become cancerous. That`s what cancer is. And that`s why it`s many different illnesses. Each cell has a different illnesses associated with it, but it`s all uncontrolled growth to the cell line. That`s what makes it cancer. And myeloma is treatable curable. Myeloma kidneys complication. According to a statement these positions are encouraged with this process. He says, quote, "I remain the luckiest guy I know." And of course, we all wish Tom Brokaw the best. He`ll have great care. I think I look forward to him getting well. Thank you, jenny. Thank you all my panelists. Thank you for watching, of course. And "Right This Minute," "Right This Minute," the guys you just saw, starts right now. END

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. For the first time we're hearing from the father of Sandy Hook Elementary shooter. And his words are stunning. Peter Lanza is telling the "New Yorker" something I don't think I've ever heard from a parent, even in a situation like this. He says, "I wish my son had never been born." National correspondent Susan Candiotti is here with the very latest this morning. Susan?
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] Hi, Chris. In a revealing interview, Adam Lanza's father, Peter, wishes he had pushed harder to see his son who refused to meet with him for two years before the rampage at Sandy Hook. Peter Lanza saying he doesn't think the shooting could have been predicted and adds this, "You can't get any more evil."
[Candiotti:] Peter Lanza, the father of Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza has broken his silence saying, "With hindsight I know Adam would have killed me in a heart beat if he had the chance." In his first interview since the horrific shooting in Newtown, Connecticut nearly 15 months ago, Lanza tells the "New Yorker" magazine he has met with two families of his son's victim saying, "A victim's family member told me that they forgave Adam after we spent three hours talking. I didn't even know how to respond."
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Twenty little children, six adults.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Unimaginable horror grips the nation.
[Unidentified Female:] Police have now identified the school shooter as Adam Lanza.
[Candiotti:] Lanza says when he realized what happened, he called his wife at work, telling her over and over, "I think it's Adam. It's Adam." Lanza says he knew his son had problems but he was difficult to treat. In his words, "He did not want to talk about problem and didn't even admit he had Aspergers." Lanza also describes changes he saw in his son. "It was crystal clear something was wrong. Aspergers makes people unusual, but it doesn't make people like this." Authorities later found that Adam had holed up in his room, windows covered by black garbage bags seen in these photos. Peter Lanza says as things got worse with his son, Adam's mother, Lanza's ex-wife Nancy, cared for him primarily. In his words, "She wanted everyone to think everything was OK." He adds, "She didn't fear her son. She slept with her bedroom door unlocked, and she kept guns in the house, which she would not have done if she were frightened." These photos released late last year by the Connecticut state police show an open gun locker, several firearms, and lots of ammunition inside the home. Peter Lanza says he is haunted by his son, dreaming about him nightly, detailing one nightmare, being hunted like one of his son's victims. Lanza chose to tell his story with writer Andrew Solomon, who has written extensively about mental illness. They met a half dozen times since last fall. Peter Lanza plans to make no other statements about his interview and through a spokesman adds, he never intends to speak about it on camera. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, thank you very much, Susan. It helps the picture a little bit.
[Baldwin:] It does. There a lot of details in this "New Yorker" piece. Let's talk about a little bit more with forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael Welner. And doctor, good morning.
[Dr. Michael Welner, Forensic Pyschiatrist:] Good morning.
[Baldwin:] I think the first thing, just reading this whole piece by Andrew Solomon is the fact that he opens this whole piece with a picture of the Lanza home, not a single photograph of Adam Lanza, of his other son, but not Adam Lanza. And the point that he is saying that he wishes his son had never been born. To quote him, "I'm not dealing with it. You can't mourn for the little boy he once was. You can't fool yourself." Just inside the father's brain, your reaction?
[Welner:] Well, I think it's refreshing to see the father of a killer and someone who's so destructive to be so frank and so candid and to own the depravity of what his son has done. In my experience, parents grieve for the children and for the victims that their loved one has killed. But at the same time, in the whole climate of let's blame this person or let's say it's this and let's say it's that, they'll walk away from the idea of just saying, "My son did an unacceptable mistake. There's really no explanation. There's really even no apology that can give. And as he did, "No, I'm not going to change my name. I'm going to live with this. I'm going to live with this burden. It's important for us as a society so that people who are so self- absorbed that they think about being this destructive, they can consider the impact on the father that they are a little closer with or the mother that they are on the siblings and on the legacy that they really want to saddle other people with their products of their anger.
[Cuomo:] Too objective, though, Dr.? I mean, he didn't see his kid for two years. He knew his kid was troubled, puts it on Aspergers. But we don't really believe that Aspergers is connected
[Baldwin:] No.
[Cuomo:] to violent actions like this. So how do you see it in terms of the window of insight into the continuing problem of how we manage people with profound mental illness?
[Welner:] Well, look, it's a great question you're asking. In a way, it's the question, although it's two questions. The first one is, is it too objective? Nobody has come up with a delusion or a hallucination driving this. So even though paranoia is always some quality that's present in people who carry out mass killings, it's not here. And yet what the police department has told us is that he was so identified with the pantheon of mass killers and and for those who become invested in the idea of mass killing, and we know that he was functioning so poorly, the fantasy and the plan becomes the one thing that person can organize themselves around. And this is someone he couldn't even pass a class, notwithstanding how bright he was, how capable he was. His function was limited, but he was able to do this. Now, the last thing is, why did it happen that day? That's the mystery. Nobody has come up with a psychotic explanation. The only triggers that we're aware of historically is that the mother was contemplating a move to Washington, which would have turned his world upside down. But we also know for a crime in which people billboard themselves, "Look at me. Here's what I wrote. Here's a picture of me with a gun." What did he do? He destroyed his computer.
[Baldwin:] Right.
[Welner:] The evidence is in what was destroyed. Is this for someone who was fantasizing or was writing about pedophelia, is this a child pornography that was discovered? Is there something on the computer that triggered his acting that day?
[Baldwin:] I we only have a little bit of time left. I think, though, the mother relation is fascinating, the fact that communicated in the home on e-mail. But he's frustrated. And this is why, you know, he is speaking out. He said the mental health professionals who saw him, his son, did not see anything that would have predicted his future behavior. Here we are near New York, one of the best locations for mental health care, and nobody saw this. I mean, the takeaway for this man who wanted to speak out and keep his last name is the fact that I want to help you other families so that this never happens again.
[Welner:] The takeaway for us mental health professionals is, are you asking your patients, "Hey, how do you react to these mass casualty events? Hey, do you ever think about killing strangers? Hey, what's your relationship to guns? Hey, do you have homicidal feelings?" You'd be surprised how often those questions get overlooked. And if you don't ask them, you're not going to hear about it.
[Cuomo:] So there's an instruction for the doctors, but also one of the parents. They were estranged as a couple, but parents know best. And you have to watch your kids. And when you don't and they're planning something like this, you would know before anybody else. Dr. Welner, thank you for the perspective, as always. Important on these stories.
[Baldwin:] Thank you so much.
[Cuomo:] We're gonna take a break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, breaking this morning, a new glimpse into how Americans view President Obama's handling of the crisis in Ukraine. John King goes inside politics with a new poll next.

[Unidentified Male:] At least $10 million a year for off-duty officers and security.
[Diana Williams, Metrolink Spokeswoman:] What we're doing in response is talking to St. Louis City, our partner in the city, about how they can increase their patrols and increase their protection of our system.
[Unidentified Male:] I think it was disgusting that no one. That people were sort of laughing and smiling about it. No one offered to help.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Three suspects on the run. As far as the victim is concerned, he suffered only superficial injuries. He didn't have to be hospitalized, but he says he's not going to run. He is not going to take the train now for fear of his own safety.
[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Very close call. All right, thank you so much, Nick Valencia, appreciate that. All right, that's going to do it for us here in the NEWSROOM. Thanks for being with us this afternoon, Nick and me, Fredricka Whitfield. More NEWSROOM straight ahead with Poppy Harlow.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Host: 3:] 00 eastern here in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Poppy Harlow joining you from New York. First up, a new and shocking development to the downing flight 9525, was the co-pilot who investigators believe deliberately took down that plane, hiding a psychiatric condition? And ex-girlfriend of 27-year- old Andreas Lubitz telling the German tabloid magazine "Build," that he was a troubled man who often had bad dreams that his plane was going down. CNN cannot independently confirm that report. This comes after police found ripped up documents in the home of the 27-year-old co-pilot stating that he was quote "unfit to work'on a number of days including on Tuesday, the very day that Lubitz apparently decided to steer that air bus A320 into the southern French alps. Just what was ailing Lubitz thinking that's not yet been revealed? But in addition to media reports citing anonymous sources that he was suffering from a mental illness, and new report in "The New York Times' says he has been treated for vision problems that may have threaten his career. Let's go straight to the mountainside area where they are staging all the search and recovery efforts near the crash site. Our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson joins me from there. And Nic, I can't imagine how difficult it is to be there as people are just waiting for any remains they could get to be returned. But when it comes to the search, I know they are trying to construct some sort of access road to make it a bit easier for them to get to the crash site because it's been so tough. What are you seeing?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, they really feel that they need to put in this access road because, you know, if the weather changes here for the worst, that could means the helicopters are not able to fly, that means the whole mission would grinds to a halt. So the locals mass is that building a road, that could take as long as eight days from the closest sort of main highway here to the crash site would be a distance of about four or so three or four miles, that sort of distance, maybe a little less. Some of the road is already there, rough track, but they have to extended over the top of the hill, then down into a down a very steep valley, obviously, as rocky terrain. So it's going to take some time to do that. Today, we know there have been 40 recovery workers on the ground, some 400 people employed sort of more widely on the mission here, two helicopters in the air. And we spoke to one of the helicopter pilots, and he told us just how hard it is, the conditions, the wind in particular.
[Unidentified Male:] Very difficult conditions. We are in a closed area, very, very closed from the mountains. It's a very short place, and so it's quite difficult for us.
[Robertson:] Dangerous?
[Unidentified Male:] We can't say dangerous because we have to stay focused on what we do, but it's a lot of mental conditioning and a lot of concentration. I don't want to focus on the possible victims I see on the floor. So I'm proud because I know I will bring back bodies to the family. And I think it's very important. That's my duty.
[Robertson:] And, of course, getting the bodies back is so important for the families. And then from the mountainside, they go to a medical center where forensic tests are done, DNA testing by a metric, testing fingerprints, that sort of things. There are, we are told, 24 technicians working on that. Also here in the area, 13 Spanish and German, and Interpol investigators as well, Poppy.
[Harlow:] Yes, truly global effort because people on the plane, these victims, were so many different nationalities. Nic, let me ask you this. When it comes to the pilot, we have learned his name today, also one of these victims. What else do we know about him?
[Robertson:] Well, he was the man aboard the aircraft that had all the experience, Patrick
[Harlow:] Yes, and heard on the audio recording from the cockpit, banging, banging, banging, trying to get in as the plane descended. Nic Robertson, thank you very much. And we are going to continue to talk about this as investigators work to piece together as the life of Andreas Lubitz, 27-year-old, there is intense focus on his state of mind the day he crashed that Germanwings flight into the French Alps. Joining me to discuss, Dr. Jacqueline Brunetti, she is the senior FAA aviation medical examiner, also former FAA safety inspector and CNN safety analyst David Soucie is with me. Thank you both for being here. Doctor, let me begin with you, you are a medical examiner. It is up to you and your peers to determine the physical well being of pilots to man these aircrafts. When you heard that Lubitz had apparently torn up doctor's notes, saying he was unfit to fly, including on that day that he flew the plane into the Alps, what do you think?
[Dr. Jacqueline Brunetti, Senior Faa Aviation Medical Examiner:] That's more than disturbing to know that someone would try and conceal that type of information. And to me, what's interesting about that is who were the physicians who were giving him those notes? You know, it's unclear in the story that's unfolding right now. So I think that's a big question.
[Harlow:] Right. And what did the notes say?
[Brunetti:] Exactly.
[Harlow:] We don't know if they said anything about a mental illness. But David Soucie, to you, you know, a lot of people have been talking about whether or not there's too much a stigma around a potential mental illness. These are the number of reports right now that he suffered a severe depress episode back in 2009. That he was battling depression, we cannot independently confirm that, but is there a stigma from pilots that are trying to battle it. That they are don't want to come forward with it?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Well, I think that this the pilots I know who experienced this had their depression, gone through divorces, had difficulty financially, and things like that, that have suffered depressive episodes, got out of it, fine. And I don't know there's any kind of social stigma within the pilot community. I think they banned together. This is a band of brothers that know they have the same responsibility. And they do that.
[Harlow:] They go back in the cockpit when well enough?
[Soucie:] They are. In fact, they are pretty it's kept quiet. They don't know what's going on. But usually when a pilot takes time off, at least a couple other friends of his would know what's going on, and it's not really well communicated. I don't see that as a significant problem within that community. Now within passengers, it might be could be a different story if thigh knew.
[Harlow:] Doctor, I wonder, though, this whole system relies on self- reporting. Is that a mistake?
[Brunetti:] Well, let me say first, I'm not speaking for the FAA. I'm speaking as an aviation medical examiner and private physician. It's you know, you rely on a patient, and as a physician for years, you rely on the patient to come to you and tell you their symptoms. There is onus on the medical examiner to ask the right questions and to observe the person and to see if that you can pick out certain signs that would perhaps give you a clue into something going on that's not on the surface and maybe would trigger some further testing.
[Harlow:] Here's the question that my team and I keep going over and over is, as a doctor in your position, you were required to look at their physical condition, but not to do a psychiatric evaluation. Why is that?
[Brunetti:] Well, there is there is somewhat of a psychiatric
[Harlow:] Somewhat, though, but not a set.
[Brunetti:] But not a formal psychiatric or psycho-logic testing. And that's not part of it. I think that it was probably part in the industry of the hiring process. But, you know, once they get to me, they've been hire. And you maybe
[Harlow:] Yes, but, I wonder if you think that's a mistake?
[Soucie:] Well, I don't think it's a mistake because of the perspective it was. I think it does needs to be looked at and improved. There is no doubt about that. But you have to understand the perspective of that state of approval and that is that they are looking at symptoms. So the question there, the things that they asked during the medical exam are psychiatric. But they are symptomatic. There are things like what have you gone through? Do you think you have this? Do you think you have that? So it's not sufficient. I don't believe at all.
[Brunetti:] I ask about stress, I ask about sleep, I ask about what kind of schedule do they have, and some of it is pretty erroneous.
[Harlow:] Here is the thing. If there were a mechanical problem found on a plane, right, even if they were very rare that a plane crashed because of that, one in, you know, many millions, right, like this instance is, that would get change. The laws would change. And that would have to be fixed. So I got to push back a little and ask, should these procedures change?
[Brunetti:] My problem with this is what test do you do? How specific is the test? How accurate is the test? And once you start applying testing to a large population, most of whom will be absolutely normal, there's the potential of picking up false positives or missing real disease. And then I think that in any of those questionnaires, you know, you you may be great one day, the day you take the test, and two weeks later, something is a trigger.
[Soucie:] As opposed to the mechanical issue you brought up, we know what's in the black box, the flight data recorders that were there, the cockpit and voice recorders are there, that the red box, this is what we call the red box in the investigation is it changes, and you they are so variable, and every person is unique. So I think there's a big challenge in trying to figure this out and come out with a litmus test that says you're ready to play and you're not.
[Harlow:] And you are not. David Soucie, thank you very much. Dr. Brunetti, thank you very much. Appreciate the perspective. And we're going to continue to talk about this tragic crash throughout the hour. I also, though, want to get to another top story here that we're following very closely. Iranian nuclear talks hitting a roadblock as time ticks down to a deal deadline at the end of the month, that's ahead.

[Keilar:] Tonight, a Texas teen is facing serious prison time for hash brownies. Marijuana may be legal in some parts of the country, but in others, laced baked goods could land you in jail for the rest of your life. The issue is the brownies were made with hash oil, which is considered much more serious than marijuana in Texas. But does the punishment fit the crime? Pamela Brown is OUTFRONT with the story.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Nineteen-year- old Jacob Lavoro is facing the same prison sentence as some rapists and murderers in the state of Texas, up to 99 years behind bars. His alleged offense? Baking brownies with hash oil.
[Jacob Lavoro, Defendant:] Honestly, when I heard that I was going to get life in jail, my face turned completely white. And I had to throw up.
[Brown:] But local Texas police say Lavoro made a business out of pot brownies, selling them for 25 bucks a pop. Court documents indicate police found several bags of marijuana and hash oil in separate containers in his house, enough to bring another felony charge against Lavoro. But because of a controversial law, it's those hash brownies that could lead to big jail time.
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] It really was meant to cover a situation where you were mixing a small amount of cocaine or heroin with white flour. And it was difficult to weigh it because it's all mixed up together.
[Brown:] In this case, police weighed all the ingredients in the pot brownies, not just the hash oil. They included the sugar and butter and milk and eggs and flour and chocolate too, 661 grams total. But Lavoro's attorney says the actual drugs only made up a small fraction of that.
[Jack Holmes, Jacob Lavoro's Attorney:] Probably about five grams of actual controlled substance, which in this case would be THC. And the rest is going to be baked goods.
[Brown:] But police did exactly what Texas state law allows them to do, because there is no way to weigh the two separately.
[Cmdr. Alain Babin, Round Rock Police Dept:] They're absolutely following our policies and procedures, and followed the statute, and filed the appropriate charge, yes.
[Brown:] Legal analyst Paul Callan says the law makes no sense.
[Callan:] I don't think the law was ever intended to cover a situation like this where you're making a marijuana brownie. You know, if it did, the Texas legislatures must have been eating these brownies when they wrote the law.
[Brown:] The district attorney's office tells CNN it will offer a plea bargain to Lavoro that wouldn't have any jail time. Even if Lavoro agrees to it, he has already spent a month in jail before being released on $30,000 bond.
[Lavoro:] It was pretty scary. I was in there with real criminals that laughed at me.
[Brown:] Lavoro says he is definitely out of the pot brownie baking business.
[Lavoro:] That's a no.
[Brown:] Lavoro's attorney says they want the wait until they get the lab results back on substances taken from the home before enter anything plea deal. Pamela Brown, CNN, Washington.
[Keilar:] And OUTFRONT tonight, editor and chief of Reason.com, Nick Gillespie and former prosecutor Wendy Murphy. Thanks to you guys for being with me so much. Appreciate it so much. Wendy, this guy is facing the same prison sentence as a rapist. In this case, does the punishment really fit the crime?
[Wendy Murphy, Former Prosecutor:] Well, first, let me reject that premise, because there is a recent study that says only 2 percent of rapists spend even one day behind bars.
[Keilar:] Then, it's even worse. Let's say it might be worse. Is that fitting?
[Murphy:] I mean well, here is the thing. You know, to just talk about it as if it's nothing more serious than a kid making pot brownies is wrong. You have a felony crime in Texas with only five grams of hash oil because the stuff is really dangerous. And he had 145 grams. So that's a lot less than 600 and whatever the fat brownie weighed. But it's a lot, because one or two drops of hash oil is equal to an entire marijuana joint. So, let's not say oh, this is nothing more than just a little pot brownie. It's a much more serious offense. And in states where you can make hash oil through marijuana, you know, you extract it with butane. It's an extremely dangerous habit. A lot of folks are blowing up their homes and catching fire. Colorado has had tremendous number of these fires recently.
[Keilar:] But, Nick, you
[Murphy:] It's not mild.
[Keilar:] But, Nick, you disagree with this.
[Nick Gillespie, Editor In Chief, Reason.com:] Wait, wait, wait. You can even hear Wendy saying okay, you know what? Rapists actually have it easier. This is the type of case where the drug war goes to die. It is absolutely insane. It is unjust and immoral to be putting people away for this type of crime. Under Texas state law, you can sell up to five pounds of pot. And at most, you're going to serve two years there is no way that the hash contained in those brownies plus the pound of pot that the cops allegedly found in his house should put him into any kind of category where he is going to spend up to 99 years or life in prison. It is insane, and increasingly people are recognizing that the punishment here is nuts beyond belief. It is nuttier than a walnut brownie, whether it has coke or pot or anything else in it.
[Keilar:] Let's look at this. Nearby, Colorado, you have marijuana, it's legal. Stores can sell hash. They can sell hash oils. Do you think
[Gillespie:] Absolutely.
[Keilar:] Do you think the rest of the country should follow, I imagine?
[Gillespie:] Here. Let me put it this way. A majority of Americans, according to all of the recent polls that have been taken think that marijuana and I'm assuming that would include hash derivatives as well, all hashes is a condensed form of pot, essentially put into a resin or an oil form. Majority of people in America think that the war on pot is a failure and that pot should be legal and available. Half of the states basically half of the states allow for medical marijuana. What I'm put in mind of when I hear this type of case is what John Kerry said about the Vietnam War. Who is going to be the last man to die for this mistake? Is Jacob Lavoro, a 19-year-old going to spend the rest of his life in jail because of a policy that we already know is ridiculous?
[Keilar:] You think this may precipitate some changes. Wendy, to you. You're making a legal argument. To the letter of the law, sure, maybe there is a case that can be made. But do you think that, you know, the law should change, or that these that marijuana should be legal or there should be more leniency in Texas?
[Murphy:] We have decriminalized and made certain amount of marijuana possession in Massachusetts legal. The voters supported it. I respect it. I don't use pot. But this is not about pot. And what I worry about when we legalize marijuana is that then the line gets pushed. Now, marijuana is like, you know, Coca-Cola. OK, so now let's talk about hash. As if it's no more serious. Hash oil is much more serious.
[Gillespie:] No, no, no. We all know
[Keilar:] And I think we're going to
[Gillespie:] Come on, Wendy.
[Keilar:] And, Wendy, I hear you on this. And I think we're going to have to leave it there, right there. I appreciate
[Gillespie:] You know that.
[Keilar:] Nick and Wendy, thank you so much. Well, another day, another G.M. recall. The automaker announced today that it's recalling 218,000 Chevy Aveos due to the risk of overheating and fires. It is G.M.'s 29th this year. So, what's going on with G.M.? Poppy Harlow is OUTFRONT with the story.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Eleven recall announcements in the past week as General Motors racks up 13.8 million U.S. recalls this year alone.
[Peter Valdes-dapena, Cnn Money:] So this has been a banner year for G.M. in a bad way. They've had 29 separate recalls so far this year, which is a record. This is big.
[Harlow:] G.M. has recalled more cars this year than it has sold since exiting bankruptcy in 2009, leaving just about everyone wondering what's going on with
[G.m. Mary Barra, Ceo, General Motors:] We have moved from a cost culture after the bankruptcy to a customer culture.
[Harlow:] The automaker says this surge in recalls is because it's holding itself to higher safety standards, tackling problems more quickly. They also follow newly minted CEO Mary Barra's congressional testimony about why it took G.M. a decade to report an ignition switch defect that has been tied to at least 13 deaths.
[David Friedman, Acting Administrator, Nhtsa:] Employees of General Motors from engineers, investigators, all the way up through executives were briefed on information associated with this recall.
[Harlow:] That violation alone cost G.M. the maximum $35 million civil fine, and will likely cost the company significantly more in victim compensation and potential other fines. This is all on top of a criminal probe by the Department of Justice surrounding the ignition switch defect.
[Barra:] My sincere apologies to everyone who has been affected by this recall, especially the families and friends who lost their lives or were injured.
[Harlow:] But Barra is not new to General Motors. She has been with the company for 33 years, formally vice president of global product development, leaving lingering questions about what she knew when about product flaws in G.M. vehicles.
[Barra:] I was not aware that there was this issue until the recall was introduced on January 31st.
[Anthony Foxx, Secretary Of Transportation:] Had G.M. acted differently, perhaps some of this tragedy might not might have been averted.
[Harlow:] G.M. says that's exactly what it's doing now, hence the mountain of recalls. The last thing they want is to be accused of delaying another one.
[Valdes-dapena:] They're cleaning out their closets, going through, finding every issue they've had in the past that maybe should have been a recall and making it a recall.
[Harlow:] So far, fixing all the recalled cars will cost G.M. $1.7 billion this year. And the stock is down 18 percent year to date. But what might be surprising is all the recalls haven't made a dent in G.M. sales, which were 7 percent higher in April than a year ago.
[Clarence Ditlow, Center For Auto Safety:] What G.M. is doing is talking, saying that we're going to be a good corporate citizen. But they've said the same thing in the past. The proof is really in the pudding.
[Harlow:] And, Brianna, the question is, are there more G.M. recalls ahead? I asked the company that today. They said, quote, "We are aggressively addressing issues as they come up," meaning we don't know yet. We're also waiting, anticipating the internal G.M. investigation report into whether or not there was a cover-up in that ignition switch delay that lasted a decade. Why didn't we know sooner? And we're waiting to find out what the Department of Justice has to say. They're in the middle of a criminal probe Brianna.
[Keilar:] A lot still to come. Thank you so much, Poppy Harlow. And ahead, "Wheel of Fortune" host Pat Sajak says global warming alarmists are unpatriotic. Tonight, Ann Coulter tells us why she agrees. And what do you do when tens of thousands of bees invade? A young man with firsthand experience comes OUTFRONT.

[Whitfield:] President Obama apologized for the rocky rollout of Obamacare this week saying, quote, "It's on me." But he said he knows all Democrats feel the blow.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] There is no doubt that our failure to roll out the ACA smoothly has put a burden on Democrats, whether they're running or not. Because they stood up and supported this effort through thick and thin.
[Whitfield:] Yesterday, 39 house Democrats crossed party lines to vote for a Republican proposal. It would let people keep their insurance plans through 2014 even if they don't match the Obamacare requirements. And, of course, it doesn't have much of a chance in the senate. And the President says if it does make it to his desk, he will veto it. But the big question remains, can the president recover. I'm joined now by political commentators Will Cane, Marc Lamont Hill and CNN senior political analyst David Gergen. Good to see all of you gentlemen. Ok. So David, you first, you know. How damaging is it for President to have some Democrats revolting? Can he recover?
[David Gergen, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] It's devastating but it may not be fatal. We've seen other presidents in the past, Ronald Reagan notably in his second term had Iran Contra. He recovered from it because he had an extraordinarily good team working on damage control. Bill Clinton had Monica Lewinsky, got impeached but he came back and had several balanced budgets in a row and got other things done, he got welfare reform done and other things. So you can come back. But it's a long road. It's uphill and it's something very precious has been lost for President Obama now.
[Whitfield:] What's that? That whole credibility thing, trust?
[Gergen:] Yes, the trust. Trust is a precious, precious asset for a president. Even if people disagree with you, as long as they think you're telling it to them straight, then they're more likely to go along with you or at least say ok, it's ok. If you really want to do this, I don't like it but I'll do it. But if they think they've been bamboozled, and that's what Americans feel today, then they get really angry and it's really hard to regain that trust.
[Whitfield:] And so Will do you agree with that? You know, devastating but not necessarily fatal. Do you think that people in general, are they blaming the President or are they blaming the President and those around him who helped craft this health plan?
[Will Cain, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, I can't agree with that, Fredricka, for one big assumption we're baking into the question. First of all, I think it's amazing, by the way, to hear David compare this, by the way, to Iran Contra or Monica Lewinsky. The difference is in this situation, why I have to take exception to an assumption and the question is that we're not done with this crisis yet. You can't recover from something that is not yet over. The President has used the analogy of fumbling the football. It's wrong and it's the wrong analogy. A better one is investing. Warren Buffett described compound interest as the eighth wonder of the world. It means your investment compounds upon itself and gets larger. We have here in the ACA, in Obamacare, a compounding problem. You know, the Web site compounds into this problem of people getting kicked off their plan. They're not directly connected but the fixes then compound another problem and that is skyrocketing premiums and a higher risk pool. And we'll do the same thing a year from now when you have the employer mandate. This isn't over. It will continue to be a problem for President Obama.
[Whitfield:] Marc, do you agree?
[Marc Lamont-hill, Cnn Political Commentator:] I agree partly. I mean part of this certainly isn't over particularly if we see legislative solutions or responses to this crisis which sot of pushed Obamacare further and further into the margins by incentivizing young insurance holders to stay with their private or small group plans, yes.
[Cain:] Exactly.
[Hill:] Obamacare is going to be cut off at the knees. That's going to be dangerous. That part's not over. But the part that David talked about is essentially over. And that's the trust piece of this. When I say it's over, I mean that's a finite period of time. The President has an opportunity to recover from that. The Web site can be fixed. Even skyrocketing premiums can be addressed. But the fundamental question of did the President tell us something that simply wasn't true is something that's already happened and now he needs to get into damage control mode. My concern for the President is that he doesn't always play defense well.
[Whitfield:] And I guess the question is how does that happen? How does that happen? How would this president, how would this White House try to recover, retain, recapture that credibility that according to the polls is long lost now Marc?
[Hill:] You pick the football up you pick the football up and you keep running. I mean he's offered the mea culpas. He said this stops with me. He didn't throw anyone in his administration under the bus. All of those things are admirable. Now he must move forward and as David said, I mean balanced budgets help things out. You know, putting forth welfare reform helps things out if that's your position. He needs progressive policy that makes Americans satisfied.
[Whitfield:] Yes. I wonder, David, do people want him to throw somebody under the but? Is it Kathleen Sebelius? Is it somebody else, someone does have to be blamed besides the President. We've heard it a lot but the President says the buck stops with me. It's on me. Are people fatigued of hearing that? Do they want to see this President say you are accountable or this person is to blame and it's not just the buck stops here?
[Gergen:] I'm not sure they want to fire somebody, but they sure as heck want the government in better hands. And they want some serious adults who are in charge of things who are accountable that they can look to with some sense of ok, we're in a much better place. Let me go back to the Reagan example. You know, he brought in a whole new team after Iran contra. He brought in Howard Baker as his chief of staff with Ken Duberstein as a deputy; brought in Colin Powell to be his national security advisor. He brought in a new lawyer for it who was well respected. In that case, the President understood it's not a question of firing people. It is a question of showing that the government, you can trust the government. He's got a fresh team. I think this president needs to bring in a couple of people, one who's got the managerial capacity and the technical knowledge you know, has done startups, the kinds of things, David Cutler, the economist who was an architect for the plan was recommending all along. And I think he needs someone who's really trusted by the congress. I believe Tom Daschle would be a good candidate.
[Whitfield:] All right let's leave it there. Will, I know you have a though on that. We're going to take a short break.
[Cain:] I do. Ok.
[Whitfield:] On the other side, you can give us that thought on that. Will Cane, Marc Lamont Hill, David Gergen all back with me. We're going to talk about President Obama's second term. What is next? We know it hasn't been smooth sailing but what does this do to his legacy? More when we come back.

[Banfield:] Some racist comments may have cost a Republican leader in North Carolina his job. Guy named Don Yelton was interviewed by "The Daily Show" and his words about North Carolina's new voter I.D. law, they are angering a lot of people. Have a listen.
[Don Yelton, Former Buncombe County Gop Executive Committee Chairman:] If it hurts a bunch of college kids that's too lazy get up off their buhonkers and go get a photo I.D., so be it.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Right. Right.
[Yelton:] If it hurts the whites, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that wants the government to give them everything, so be it.
[Banfield:] So Don Yelton has resigned his position as the executive GOP Republican Committee chairman for his county. That happened Thursday. He was interviewed about North Carolina's new law after the Supreme Court struck down part of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. He responded on the radio saying that he's not a racist, but that "The Daily Show" tried to create, quote, "an illusion about him." Have a look.
[Yelton:] I've talked with the state chairman who said the state was going to put out a statement asking me to step down.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Why do you think that is?
[Yelton:] Because they're a bunch of chickens.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Maybe it's because they're embarrassed.
[Yelton:] No, look, look
[Unidentified Reporter:] Maybe it's because they're embarrassed by what you said.
[Yelton:] Let them get embarrassed. Too bad. I'm embarrassed by the fact they don't stand up and fight for what's right.
[Banfield:] OK, Mr. Yelton, I'm going to stand up and fight for what's right. Because in September, on your Facebook page, you called me a loud-mouthed bitch. Can we please, as politicians, as human beings, tone it down? Come on. Thanks for watching, everybody. Stay tuned. AROUND THE WORLD is coming up next. And have yourself a lovely weekend.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] This news just in to CNN, the aid group, Doctors Without Borders, says one of its staffers in Sierra Leone apparently has Ebola. That patient is a Norwegian national who apparently had flown to Oslo for treatment. He or she was put in isolation on Saturday, the group says, after running a fever, but there are no other details being released right now. But at the same time, a hospital in Spain is now monitoring three more potential cases of Ebola after a nurse's assistant contracted the virus in Spain. The hospital says it's now monitoring her husband as well. And then it's also monitoring a man with a suspected case who traveled overseas but has tested negative so far. It's monitoring a woman who was exposed to Ebola but was wearing protective gear at the time. And it's keeping an eye on 22 other people who had contact with the nurse's assistant who was diagnosed after treating a Spanish missionary and priest who died after they had returned to Spain from west Africa, and, again, unusual case, because she contracted it in Spain. Here in the United States, the Liberian man with Ebola contracted in Liberia and a man who traveled here is now in critical condition in Dallas. Thomas Eric Duncan has been given the experimental drug Brincidofovir. Duncan did not get this treatment until he'd already been sick for 10 days. And speaking of Mr. Duncan, a hazmat crew has finally gone and cleaned up the Dallas apartment where he had been and had been very sick before he went to the hospital. Look at some of the mist as the workers spray, and what's troubling is something that we just heard yesterday. The photographer who was infected with Ebola, the NBC photographer who came home, he told his dad that he might have actually been infected by spray hitting him while he was helping to clean a vehicle in which someone had died from Ebola. But it is not certain how he actually got the disease. It's just that we heard that yesterday, and then we see these pictures of the spray at the apartment where other people are still living. Here's what Gary Tuchman found during the clean-up in Dallas.
[Gary Tuchman, Cnn National Correspondent:] What you are looking at is the first time in American history a hazmat team has worked an Ebola cleanup scene. Men dressed like astronauts who work for a Texas company, destroying everything in the apartment Thomas Eric Duncan was staying in that could still have the living Ebola virus. Brad Smith is the vice president of the company.
[Brad Smith, Vp, Cleaning Guys:] Anyone that can give us advice from this, we've taken it and we've gone a step further in our own training and taken care of it.
[Tuchman:] This is kind of a surreal spectacle. You see the workers going in, in protected hazmat suits doing their job, while parents and children wander around on nearby balconies. Look closely, you see mist from whatever is being sprayed in the apartment. For much of the time the door of the home is open while the spraying is taking place. And look right next door, a child on the balcony who can't be more than 40 feet away. The apartments on both sides were occupied the entire time the apartment was being cleaned. People from all over the world live in this area, very little English is spoken. Lorenza Cardia has seven children and lives in the complex next door where she can watch what's going on. She has no idea if it's safe for her or her family to be there. No official has told them anything. She tells me, "I am scared of what's happening. It's bad because we don't know anything. We don't know if it's going to spread. I keep my kids inside the apartment." Joseph Thomas lives even closer. He's been told nothing either. But is resigned to fate.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm trusting my god. I'm trusting my god. He will protect me. If he don't want me, I am ready to die.
[Tuchman:] Brad, the neighbors here, the neighbors here are all coming out the balcony watching. Your people are going in with their hazmat suits and they're just wandering around 30 feet away. Is that safe for them?
[Smith:] I don't want to comment on that. That's not my expertise.
[Tuchman:] But that's not your job to tell people maybe they should leave this apartment complex?
[Smith:] No. Absolutely not. I can't say I'd leave my family here.
[Tuchman:] The CDC says there's virtually no risk of Ebola being spread to these neighbors during the cleaning. Ebola does not spread through the environment. But even if it's just to play it safe, it's not clear which local officials would be responsible for giving the residents information andor temporarily moving them out. A spokeswoman for the Dallas County Health and Human services department says, we perform contact tracing, investigations and public health follow-up. We will not comment on something that is not in our purview. The spokeswoman said get in such with the spokeswoman for Dallas county. But she hasn't responded to us as of yet. The work has taken over three days and now the job is finished. The hazmat trucks start driving off to an undisclosed location.
[Smith:] We've totally cleaned the apartment, from the ceilings to the floors, removed everything out of the apartment, carpet, drapes, blinds and then obviously put a final decon on everything to make sure nothing is living in there. And it's all been removed.
[Tuchman:] The hazmat team is now gone but it appears that most of the neighbors never left. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Dallas.
[Banfield:] I want to take you to Ferguson, Missouri, next. You have probably heard often, move along, folks, nothing to see here, especially when police don't like protesting. Well, a federal judge has just weighed in on your right and those people's rights and every American's right to stay put and not move along here. I'll explain it in just a moment.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news. We now know the Amtrak train, the derail outside Philadelphia was speeding at 106 miles an hour when it crashed. We're also tonight learning the identity of the train engineer. We'll going to tell you everything we are learning about him at this moment. That engineer refusing to talk to detectives. Philadelphia's mayor says there's no excuse for his actions. Will he face criminal charges? And Kim Jong-un executes his own defense minister before a crowd using anti-aircraft guns. What is happening in North Korea? Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight we begin with the breaking news. The Amtrak train that derailed near Philadelphia was speeding big-time. Traveling 106 miles an hour at the time of the crash. More than twice the 50-mile-an-hour speed limit. We are also just learning at this moment the engineer's name from three Amtrak employees. And here's what we can tell you. His name is Brandon Bostian. Our Drew Griffin is going to have much more on him, he is the man at the center of this in just a moment. The mayor of Philadelphia on CNN calling that engineer reckless, saying, "there's no excuse for the out-of-control speed." We also now know though that Bostian did apply the emergency brakes just before the crash but he only slowed the train down to 102 miles an hour at impact. So, 106 to 102, and then it crashed. You can see the curve where the train derailed. As you can see, it is very sharp. The horrific crash killing at least seven people. More than 200 injured, many of them still in critical condition at this hour. And it is almost 24 hours after this crash but there are still people missing. People hoping that their loved ones will be the miracle story tonight. This surveillance video shows the speeding train at the moment of the crash.
[Unidentified Man:] Are you okay? He's calling, okay? Crawl forward, sir. Keep crawling.
[Burnett:] Passengers, many of them with broken bones and serious head injuries, were scrambling desperately to escape. Drew Griffin is OUTFRONT in Philadelphia tonight. He begins our coverage. And Drew, the man at the center of this is that engineer. You have now learned his name, you have learned something very, very crucial.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Investigative Correspondent:] Yes, Brandon Bostian, he is from Queens, New York. We do know that the police here in Philadelphia tried to speak with him, tried to talk with him, tried to question him. He refused, he has an attorney. The NTSB was a little more mild on that point. They said that they can talk to him once the emotions of this event turn over. But we do know Erin that according to his LinkedIn account he's been an engineer with Amtrak four little more than years. Before that he was a conductor with Amtrak. Described, you know, just a generic description from some of his neighbors, but he, because he was driving this train, is now the focus of this investigation.
[Burnett:] We have a picture of him that you were able to obtain, Drew. Obviously, this is him outside of his work uniform. But that is Brandon Bostian everyone that you're looking at next to me, the engineer who should have been in control and charge of the speed of the train at the time of impact. Drew as you mentioned though when he was called in for questioning by police today, it didn't seem that he was cooperating?
[Griffin:] Yes, he wasn't cooperating. That's according to the Philadelphia police. They brought him into the detectives division. He refused to answer their questions. He did have an attorney with him. And, you know, that got a very strong reaction from the mayor of this town who squarely wants at least the engineer of this train who caused all this to answer the questions.
[Mayor Michael Nutter , Pennsylvania:] Clearly he was reckless and irresponsible in his actions. I don't know what was going on with him. I don't know what was going on in the cab. But there's really no excuse that could be offered.
[Griffin:] They need to talk to him for many reasons. There may be an excuse, there might have been a mechanical issue that he was dealing with, we don't know right now although all indications are speed was the problem. Erin, they'll also be looking at what was in his physical body, in his system, whether he was on the phone, was he asleep, along with all the other things they're going to be looking at, including track conditions and anything on the track that might have happened. But again, it was that speed, 106 miles an hour into an area where he should have only been going 50. It seems the engineer is the one person who can answer the question as to why, and right now, he's not answering anything Erin.
[Burnett:] All right. Thank you very much, Drew Griffin. Well, we have new details on the investigation right now. And Jason Carroll is also OUTFRONT from Philadelphia with a look at exactly how this happened. What happened, when it happened, and what investigators are looking at right now?
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] The mangled wreckage of the Amtrak Train 188 still strewn on the tracks. The event date recorder recovered from the train's first car has already revealed the train was traveling at least twice as fast as it should have been. One hundred six miles per hour as it entered the corner where it derailed late Tuesday.
[Robert Sumwalt, National Transportation Safety Board:] Just moments before the derailment, the train was placed into engineer- induced braking. And this means that the engineer applied full emergency brake application. The train was traveling at approximately 106 miles per hour. Three seconds later, when the data to the recorders terminated, the train speed was 102 miles per hour.
[Carroll:] The train, scheduled to leave Philadelphia's union station at 9:10 Tuesday night, derailed about 10 minutes later at 9:21. Passengers say it felt like the train was going too fast as it headed into a left-hand turn, then chaos.
[Joan Elfman, Survived Amtrak Train Crash:] They were thrown out of their seats. One girl slammed into, you know, one of the seats. There are a lot of fractures. You know, arms, shoulders, all kinds of fractures.
[Unidentified Man:] I could see the blood on people's faces. They can't move. Their knees were out. So I just tried to do my best to help people get out of that car because it was smoking.
[Carroll:] Surveillance video shows a flash the moment of the crash. Mary Row lives near the site and initially thought the bright light was lightning.
[Unidentified Woman:] My entire room lit up. It was that bright. Took the dog and myself and got out of the house.
[Carroll:] Many questions about the train's speed as it headed into that curve. An area called the Frankford junction. [on camera]: Locals call the Frankford junction a notorious curve out here on the rails. The speed limit in this area just 50 miles per hour. At least seven people killed in the crash, including U.S. Naval Academy midshipman Justin Zemser, and Gym Gains, an Associated Press video software architect, he was 48. Hospitals treated more than 200 people, many of them hurt when other people or objects fell on top of them.
[Elfman:] This huge red suitcase just came flying at me. Our train was actually on its side. So it pushed me onto the side of the train. It hit my chest. I think I have a few fractured ribs.
[Carroll:] And Erin, right now you're looking at a live picture of the crash. You can see one of the cars still on its side. Investigators will be looking at everything from the track to signals to of course operator error. At least two people among those listed as missing. Mark Gildersleeve, a businessman from Baltimore, he has a 13-year-old son. And then there's also Rachel Jacobs. She is the CEO of a small tech company. She has a two-year-old. Their families desperately hoping that they will be found alive Erin.
[Burnett:] All right. Jason, thank you very much. And OUTFRONT now, Andrew Brenner, he was on board that Amtrak train, Train 188, when it derailed. He was sitting in the last car. And Andrew, I know just you know, hearing all this, having to relive what just happened to you not even 24 hours ago, I know you are injured. How are you doing tonight?
[Andrew Brenner, Survived Amtrak Train Crash:] Well, you're right, I am a little banged up. But I'm extremely grateful that I'm sitting here with you this evening. It was a very terrifying, terrifying experience. And to think that 24 hours ago I was literally across the street, ready to get on this exact train at union station, and to think back over this last 24 hours, is really just incredible and sad for a number of reasons.
[Burnett:] How your life can change so quickly. I know, you know, you've hurt your vertebrae, you've hurt your back. But of course obviously others did lose their lives. I understand why you're grateful. Now, I know you just hear Andrew, the mayor of Philadelphia called the engineer in charge of the train reckless, he says nothing excuses this tragedy, he said maybe if he had a heart attack but they know he didn't have a heart attack. When you hear the train was going a 106 miles an hour and the speed limit was 50 miles an hour where you were on that curve, how do you feel?
[Brenner:] The news that I've heard today about the speed and the lack of safety controls that could have been enforced at that section of the railway is nothing short of infuriating. The fact that this was preventable, that seven people who waited in the same exact line that I did yesterday at Union Station in Washington, D.C. lost their lives, that 200 people, myself included, spent the better part of last night in the hospital with injuries that were preventable. And that, you know, this is a tragedy that will likely cost, you know, untold amounts of money that could have been prevented so many different ways. Is just enraging.
[Burnett:] Enraging and infuriating. I mean, of course you feel that way. I mean, could you tell, Andrew, at the time that that train was moving too quickly? Was there anything that seemed unusual to you? I know you've taken this train many times. Was there anything that seemed off or did it just happen?
[Brenner:] It really happened so, so quickly. You know, I couldn't tell the difference between going 70 miles an hour or 120 miles an hour on an Amtrak car. But you could tell from where I was that, you know, we took that curve really quickly. And there was some force there. And there was a bump. There was some vibration. And then an immediate jolt. And I flew across the rail car. There were luggage and seats that came unhinged that were flying around. But at the end of the day the car that I was in, most people, even though they were pretty banged up, were okay. There was a lot of really, really good people on the train last night and an incredible amount of help that I think made the situation a lot better than it could have been.
[Burnett:] Well, Andrew, I know that you feel lucky and blessed to be where you are and to be alive and back in Washington with your girlfriend and we're glad that you are doing okay. Thank you so much for sharing your story.
[Brenner:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] OUTFRONT next, we'll break down how the Amtrak train derailed, how it crashed. This is going to be a second-by-second analysis to try to understand what went so horribly wrong. Plus, almost 24 hours after the crash, people who were thought to be on the train are still missing. Still missing. They don't know where they are. Is there any hope that some of these people could be alive right now? And train wrecks and derailments in America are on the rise. It has become much more dangerous. Why?

[Martin Savidge, Cnn Anchor:] Egypt erupts into chaos as the world watches in horror. The question now, what can America do about it?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Anchor:] And get ready for the rain. Rounds of it rolling into the already soggy south. There's fears of flooding and they're very real this morning.
[Savidge:] And baseball might never be the same. The big decision that could change America's favorite pastime as we know it.
[Keilar:] Good morning, everyone. I'm Brianna Keilar.
[Savidge:] And I'm Martin Savidge, in for Victor Blackwell. It is 6:00 a.m. and this is NEW DAY SATURDAY. That's the unmistakable sound of heavy gunfire ringing out. Egypt, a critical ally of the United States, is bracing for more unrest after a very bloody and violent Friday. Dozens of people are reported killed in clashes between the security forces and Muslim Brotherhood supporters in what was called a day of rage. Hundreds are under arrest. We're also hearing that some people have left a mosque in central Cairo where they have taken refuge all night long. Let's go right now to Reza Sayah. He's in Cairo.
[Keilar:] Hey there, Reza. Can you tell us about the latest situation there at the mosque?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn Correspondent:] Incredibly, after 17 hours, the siege and standoff still continues. Some dramatic images coming to us from state media about a couple of hours ago. Some of the protesters who were holed up inside, women, coming out, escorted out by armed security forces who were firing in the air in an apparent effort to disperse angry crowds who had gathered around. This particular mosque is in an area in Cairo that was supposed to be the final destination for tens of thousands of supporters of the ousted President Mohamed Morsy and the Muslim Brotherhood who were marching against the government yesterday. During these marches, there were clashes. Scores of people were injured. Scores of people were hurt. Many of the fatalities and casualties were taken to this mosque. Also racing to this mosque were protesters who wanted to take cover from the gunfire. Then came 7:00 p.m. The curfew went into effect. These people, these protesters were effectively trapped inside. Armed security forces surrounded the mosque. Also surrounding the mosque, unknown gunmen. At some point, state media aired video of these protesters attacked the mosque. These were apparently anti-Morsy protesters. Throughout the evening, security forces were apparently trying to negotiate with people to come out, but apparently they were too afraid to come out. But during the overnight hours, at least some of those protesters have come out, some have stayed in. And that's why, at this hour, remarkably, this intense standoff and siege of the mosque continues in Cairo.
[Savidge:] And, Reza, the Muslim Brotherhood's calling for a week now of protests starting today and urging supporters to go back on the streets.
[Sayah:] Yes, there's no question about it. And this is further indication that these two sides are digging in. The Muslim Brotherhood insists that they're not going to stop demonstrating. And there are all sorts of indications that this interim government, backed by the military, has no intentions of including the Muslim Brotherhood in the political landscape. And that's because increasingly you're seeing them use aggressive tactics to get them off the streets. Hundreds of these protesters, many of them unarmed, have been killed. Over the past six weeks, international human rights groups have condemned security forces of using excessive force. And again, yesterday, we witnessed with our own eyes, security forces using gunfire on protesters who were unarmed. And when you take a step back from this conflict, what's most alarming, is there's absolutely no indication that this conflict is going to end anytime soon.
[Keilar:] Reza, we'll be checking in with you throughout the morning. Reza Sayah for us in Cairo. Thank you very much. Now, President Obama has condemned the crackdown on Egyptian protests and the White House has canceled next month's joint military exercises with Egypt. An international peacekeeping force is in the Sinai Peninsula. This includes 700 American soldiers. CNN's Wolf Blitzer spoke with Senator John McCain about concerns for their safety.
[Wolf Blitzer, Anchor, Cnn's "the Situation Room":] What worries me, senator, I don't know if it concerns you as much, the 700 American soldiers who right now are in Sinai at a time of growing al Qaeda presence in Sinai, part of that multinational peacekeeping force in Sinai that's been in place quietly all of these years since the IsraeliEgyptian peace treaty was signed in 1979. How concerned are you about these American troops who are lightly armed in Sinai?
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] I am concerned about that. I'm concerned about the safety of American citizens. Under Mubarak, as you know, there was a tremendous amount of anti-Americanism and anti- Israel, which was fostered by the Mubarak government. This government is fostering that to an incredible degree. Pictures of President Obama in the street and our fine ambassador there, Anne Patterson. They accused me. The leading newspaper in Cairo said that John McCain had hired Muslim Brotherhood on his staff. The intensity of the anti- Americanism, which is being stoked by the military junta, makes a lot of our American citizens unsafe.
[Keilar:] Although the U.S. has condemned the bloodshed in Egypt, it has not decided to suspend the nearly $1.6 billion of annual aid to Egypt. The U.S. has carefully avoided calling the ouster of President Morsy a coup and because that is something that would require suspending aid by law. Remember, most of the money to Egypt comes in the form of military aid. And complicating matters, that aid is typically used to buy tanks and aircraft produced in the U.S. So conduct aid would also impact American companies. And only four other countries get more American aid than Egypt. Israel gets double what Egypt gets. And then there's Afghanistan, $2.3 billion, then Pakistan with $2.1 billion, then Iraq, nearly $1.7 billion and then Egypt.
[Savidge:] All right, turning to weather now. We'll take a look at a live shot of the sun coming up over Boston. The Northeast finally drying out after a week of heavy storms, but it is a very different story across much of the Southeast. Let's bring in meteorologist Jennifer Delgado in the CNN Severe Weather Center. Jennifer.
[Jennifer Delgado, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Martin. And you see that live shot coming out of Boston. Well, it's a new day for you there. We're expecting high temperatures, 76 degrees, and a lot of sunshine in Boston. But rain is going to be heavy across parts of the southeast. Once again, we're expecting in some of these locations to pick up a couple more inches of rainfall today, as well as tomorrow. And some of these areas don't need it. We're talking four to six inches has already fallen in parts of Georgia, as well as into parts of Florida. In fact, we have some video coming out of Alabama. This is just to the west of Montgomery. You're looking at people driving through flooded roadways. And Martin and Brianna, we say this all the time, don't drive through flooded streets. It doesn't take much to lose control of your car. And, of course, that could certainly be deadly. Back over to our radar here. So the rain is really starting to work its way onto the coast. You can see from the Florida panhandle, and for areas including southern parts of Alabama, Birmingham, you're going to seeing rain coming down later today. But look at these totals. We're talking six or more inches anywhere in this area in orange. And that's why we do have flood watches and warnings in place for this big rainfall event. And, of course, we still are talking about the tropics. We're watching an area of low pressure, you can see right in the Gulf of Mexico. The convection is to the north of it. Not very well organized. Right now it has about a 40 percent chance for tropical cyclone development. And then all the way out into the ocean we have another storm. This is Tropical Storm Erin. Erin is what we're going to call a fish storm. It doesn't look like it's going to be a threat to land. That's good news. It's going to be interacting with some dry air. But for today, it's not all bad out there, as I said. The Northeast, sunshine and cool. Cool in the south because of rain. And look at these high temperature, guys. We have a lot of 80s out there for today and they're going to stick around tomorrow. But we will see a warming trend, but that's not coming in till late next week.
[Savidge:] All right, we'll keep an eye.
[Delgado:] So you get the good and the bad, Martin. Good morning to you.
[Savidge:] Yes, we'll keep an eye on the Gulf, apparently.
[Delgado:] Yes, we will.
[Savidge:] Jennifer, thanks.
[Delgado:] Uh-huh.
[Keilar:] Well, police in Denver have detained a man that say set at least two booby-trapped propane tanks in the middle of a quiet street and then blew up one by shooting it. Police say the suspect shot and killed one woman and injured another. "The Denver Post" reports that Daniel Abyeta was shot and critically wounded by police. No one was hurt when that propane tank exploded and the other tank was dismantled.
[Savidge:] To New Jersey where Governor Chris Christie appears ready to sign a medical marijuana bill if the legislate making two key changes. Christie signaled he wants lawmakers to make edible pot available only to kids. A pediatrician and a psychiatrist would have to sign off on a child's prescription. Christie's under pressure from the dad of an epileptic toddler who says that medical marijuana would help his daughter.
[Keilar:] Now, in money news, it was a second week of declines on Wall Street.
[Savidge:] Yes, some investors fled the markets after two companies posted earnings that failed to impress. And others are worried about the Fed pulling back on its massive stimulus program.
[Keilar:] Alison Kosik has more on your week on Wall Street. Alison.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Brianna and Martin. Wall Street is zero for two. The Dow fell for a second week in a row. August has certainly been a rough one for stocks. Until this month, the Dow was up for six weeks in a row. Analysts say there's an eerie calm settling over the market, so we could be in for a bit of a slowdown. It's normal to see weakness in August, though, but some of the economic data that came out this week was concerning. Big names like Wal-Mart and Cisco rattled the market when their CEOs called the global economy, quote, "challenging." Wall Street watches these companies for clues on how the entire economy is doing because millions of people shop at Wal-Mart and because Cisco sells technology equipment to businesses, the government and to main street. Cisco also announced its cutting 4,000 jobs. As for the data, a regional manufacturing report showed activity slowed down last month. We got weak retail sales and housing numbers and consumer sentiment dropped. And there's the ever-present worry of when the Fed will stop pumping up the economy with stimulus. So, with so much up in the air, investors took the money and ran. Brianna and Martin.
[Savidge:] Alison, thanks very much. And still to come, a Disney shuttle bus slams into a car near Florida's famous Epcot theme park.
[Keilar:] Plus, Hannah Anderson out and about after last weekend's dramatic kidnapping ordeal. We'll take you to California.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Tonight:] Thank you very much Anderson. We just have some questions for you. 10 p.m. here in Philadelphia where cars from Amtrak 188 are being removed from the track. Investigators urgently searching for answers right now. Here's what we do know at this hour. At least seven people killed, over 200 injured, an unknown number of people are still missing at this hour. The National Transportation Safety Board says, the train was speeding through a curve at 106 miles an hour, more than twice the speed limit. And the engineer slammed on the emergency breaks, that was moment before the train left the tracks. And tracking police say that the engineer is 32-year-old Brandon Bostian. Police tried to interview him but he refused to say anything more than this, that he could not recall how fast he was going. He hasn't talked to the National Transportation Safety Board either. Anderson Cooper has been covering this for us, and Drew Griffin is here with us, getting the breaking news here. Anderson I want to talk to you before I go to Drew because I thought it was interesting when you spoke to the mayor. And the mayor said, we don't know how many people are so unaccounted for.
[Cooper:] Yes. He actually sent out about 25 more police officers late this afternoon just to kind of survey a wider area, just a search to see if anybody else may have been ejected out. Because, you know, it's complicated for authorities trying to figure out exactly who is on the train. People may have bought a ticket, may not have actually gone on the train. So, they are still trying to make sure that they have everybody accounted for.
[Lemon:] Yes. It's unbelievable. I know that you've lived in the northeast all of your life, in New York City. I actually used to live in Philadelphia and I've never seen anything like this. This is absolutely horrific.
[Cooper:] Yes. But you also think about before those families for the seven families whose loved ones have died, just the speed with which this happened, I mean, it's so senseless they were on a train you would never think that this would happen and all of a sudden tonight, 24 hours later, their lives are forever changed.
[Lemon:] Yes. Absolutely. And Drew Griffin, I want to turn to you because through you as actually you've actually learned more about the train's engineer. What did you find out?
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Correspondent:] We know he's been an engineer for about 4 and half years now. Before that he was a conductor. So, he's been with Amtrak in the system for just about 9 years or so. And just a little clarity on whether or not he's talking or not talking. He was injured. He was being treated for injuries last night and that's when detectives initially approached him, asked him a few questions. He said he couldn't recall the speed and then they left.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Today, they brought him back in for a serious interview. He came in with a lawyer, he wasn't answering any questions. The NTSB has said, "We can wait, we can wait until you're over your traumatic experience." But make no question they need to discuss this, with this engineer why this train was...
[Lemon:] I think all of us are kind of confounded that this is the person who holds the key to the investigation and how can they wait and how can he not be speaking giving them a fuller interview as to what happened?
[Griffin:] Well, maybe he's hurt. Maybe he's concerned that he might face charges.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Maybe his lawyers are advising him, let's not talk till we know whose investigating. You know, there's been a lot of discussion today of who actually has jurisdiction.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Who should he be talking to.
[Cooper:] He may very well plead the fifth. And say, look, I mean, he hasn't nobody can force him to talk and it will be up to the investigators to try to figure out what happened through the black box and other things.
[Lemon:] And he's been he's now lawyered up.
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Lemon:] Right. He's lawyered up. They did find the black box. Do we know how long before they're able to get the information from this?
[Griffin:] I mean, they pretty much should have some of that information now. It's an event recorder. They call it the heavy event recorder. They also have the camera that looks out from the front of the engine that's been taken to a facility in Amtrak facility in Delaware. I believe that they will have those kinds of answers fairly, quickly. You know, the train accidents aren't that hard to figure out what exactly went wrong. It's not like a plane where you have multiple systems. So, the questions will now hinge on why was the train going so fast even if it met a piece of track that wasn't in the right spot or something. Why was this train going so fast? 106 miles an hour in a 50 mile an hour...
[Lemon:] Mechanical failure or was he distracted. We'll figure it out.
[Griffin:] They never search him out for his phone.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Just to determine whether he was on a phone, whether he was texting, whatever.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Griffin:] They're going to look at everything involved.
[Lemon:] Drew with us through the next two hours. Thank you, Drew, very much. We'll see you in just a bit. And Anderson, thank you very much. We'll see of course on CNN, as always. I want to talk now to Senator Bob Casey. He was at the crash site today. And he joins me now from Washington. Senator, thank you so much. You were briefed by the mayor and the first responders and the NTSB. What did they tell you?
[Bob Casey, Pennsylvania Senator:] Well, Don, they kind of walked through a timeline of what happened and gave us kind of an overview. But there's still an awful lot that we don't know in terms of how this actually happened. But they wanted to give us a broad a review as possible as to what happened. I think one of the most remarkable things about today in terms of what I saw, is not just the horror in the way that these cars were mangled and twisted, but probably more amazing than that is how the city of Philadelphia, starting with the mayor and the police and the fire department and the emergency personnel and so many others, including the passengers, how people came together to save lives and to mitigate the horrors of this tragedy.
[Lemon:] I want to pose a question that I posed to Drew Griffin and Anderson. Just a moment ago, that engineer he talked to investigators would very briefly last night at the hospital saying that he could not recall his speed. He really hasn't spoken at length since then. I mean, do you find that frustrating that and people want to know what happened here.
[Casey:] Sure. It's frustrating that we don't know more. But I think it's important that we allow the National Transportation and Safety Board, NTSB, to go through their process. And I think it's good that we know today, at least the information that they confirmed about the speed, the 106 miles an hour. But there is awful a lot we don't know. And in term my understanding in terms of the jurisdiction at the scene is, the fire department is really in-charge of the scene because of the nature of it. It's a disaster. And the police of course, support them. Part of that was the police talking to him last night. I don't that's all I know. I don't know much about what transpired then. So, it isn't simply the investigators. You have a law enforcement agency involved as well. I just don't know what they were able to determine when they spoke to him.
[Lemon:] Senator, a lot of people rely on Amtrak and these tracks in the northeast corridor. As we look at these live pictures of the train cars are being removed from the tracks here, these tracks are really the heart of the northeast corridor. These trains are critically important to Philadelphia and the people and the businesses, not only just Philadelphia, but all around. But many of the people in the businesses you represent, aren't they?
[Casey:] They are. And today is not a day to analyze the connection between this tragedy and larger policy discussion. But we know across the nation, we've got a huge infrastructure challenge and we're reminded of that on days like today. So, if anything flows from the results of the investigation that tell us as members of Congress or citizens that we have to take certain actions. I think people on both parties better line up and work together to get done what needs to get done in terms of improving infrastructure. But it's even too early to speculate on that because we're still learning just the limited details we have about how this happened.
[Lemon:] Well, yes. A lot of people don't want to talk about. But as your this is happening, back in Washington, House Republicans today voted to cut Amtrak's budget. I mean, what do you say about that? The timing it's just is really unbelievable.
[Casey:] Well, in terms of the broader question about the budget, I have a long record of supporting increased funding and I know that a lot of folks do. But I think at least on a day like today, we don't we don't yet know the connection, if any, between what happened here and what happens in appropriation. But stepping back from this, apart from this tragedy, I've always believed that Amtrak is underfunded just as we could say about a number of other programs or agencies, and specially, a larger question again of infrastructure. But I don't know if there's a linkage between the two. We have to, I think we have to show some humility and indicate what we don't know. But if there is a connection, then that will lead to I think a robust debate about funding. But I think it's too early to tell.
[Lemon:] Senator Casey, thank you. We appreciate your time.
[Casey:] Thanks, Don.
[Lemon:] Thank you. I want to bring in now Ray LaHood. He's a former transportation secretary and he is an advisor to Amtrak. Secretary LaHood, what do you think caused this crash?
[Ray Lahood, Former Transportation Secretary:] I Don't know, Don. But I do know this, there are no better professional expert people than the folks in the NTSB. It's the one agency of government that works almost perfectly. They will do their investigation, they will do their analysis, they will put out a report and we'll know in great detail what went wrong and how it went wrong and what needs to be done in the future. And they will also be making recommendations to congress and to the public and to Amtrak. I know it's frustrating to say but we do need to be patient and let the NTSB do their work. Because it will be a report that will give us a lot of guide posts as to what needs to be done in the future.
[Lemon:] Well, let's talk about what we do know because the train was going, as we heard from investigators, over 100 miles per hour, around that curve. The engineer applied the full emergency breaks just before this crash. But the engineer only spoke to investigators briefly at the hospital last night couldn't his speed. So, what is that say to you that he hasn't telling investigators more information at this point?
[Lahood:] You know, Don, I'm just I'm not the one that really wants to speculate on that. I'm not in law enforcement, I'm not a lawyer. I just I don't know enough about the conversation that this gentleman had with the law enforcement either last night or this morning. But I know this, the NTSB will have their people do a very extensive interview with this gentleman and go into great detail about what happened, plus, the details from the black box. Coupled with the interview, I think will give everyone the kind of information that they need to figure out what went wrong.
[Lemon:] Yes. You know, as an advisor to Amtrak, this train didn't have the most up-to-date technology installed that could help prevent derailments. A lot of people are asking why not, shouldn't this is a heavily traffic corridor, the most in the North America shouldn't have the most up-to-date equipment possible?
[Lahood:] You know, what I was told, Don, is that Positive Train Control which was mandated by Congress to be put on passenger and freight rail trains across the country, has been started to be implemented by Amtrak. It's a very expensive technology; it's a very expensive breaking system, which could have perhaps prevented this crash. But, and it was due to be put on to the equipment in the next few weeks, unfortunately, it wasn't. But, that implementation of Positive Train Control has begun to take place on Amtrak equipment.
[Lemon:] Secretary LaHood, these pictures are amazing, you know, at watching these cars being removed to. This is live pictures that we're looking at here on CNN as you and I speak. But I would like to know as the transportation secretary, former transportation secretary and advisor, what's the number one question that you would have if you were investigating this?
[Lahood:] well, I like probably all of your viewers this evening and the people that the families that are suffering from the loss of their loved ones and the people that are suffering as a result of the injuries, I think what happened, why did it happen? How could this occur and what do we do in the future to prevent it? I think those are the two big questions and I think we'll have those answers. Thanks to the good work, the professional of the National Transportation and Safety Board, which is on the scene and doing their work, has been all day and will continue until they finish answering the questions that all of us want answers to.
[Lemon:] Secretary LaHood, we appreciate your time as well. Thank you.
[Lahood:] Thank you, Don.
[Lemon:] So many unanswered questions tonight about this deadly derailment. Live pictures that you're looking at right now from Philadelphia. But we should never forget the victims. We're learning more about them tonight and we want to tell you who they are. Abid Gilani was a Wells Fargo executive who had worked there for about a year. Jim Gaines was a 48-year-old father of two, who worked for the Associated Press. And then there's Justin Zemser. He was a 20-year-old Naval Academy Midshipman from Rockaway Beach, New York. And Rachel Jacobs was chief executive of a small tech company, ApprenNet, and the mother of a 2-year-old. Robert Gildersleeve is missing tonight. He's a 45-year-old executive at Eco Lab, married, and the father of two teenage children. Those are the people that we're in our thoughts tonight. We've got a lot more to come in our breaking news here in Philadelphia. The urgent, the urgent search for answers in the deadly derailment of this Amtrak train. We're back in a moment.

[Baldwin:] All right. Let's hop back in with HLN host, Jane Velez- Mitchell; and CNN senior legal analyst, Jeff Toobin. Where were we? Let me begin with something that Don Lemon just made this point. We know this grand jury, beginning today, we know the prosecutor in this case out of St. Louis County has extended an invitation to the police officer, who shot and killed Michael Brown, if he would like to testify. Much of the world has not listen, we haven't heard from him, period. We heard from a friend of a friend. You say he probably won't accept the invitation.
[Toobin:] Probably not.
[Baldwin:] Why?
[Toobin:] Lawyers invariably tell their clients who are under investigation, "Don't testify if you don't have to." Because it locks you into a story under oath. You can later be cross-examined. You can hope your story is so persuasive you'll persuade the grand jurors not to indict. But that's a big risk and I think he'll decline to testify.
[Velez-mitchell:] Under normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But this is such a highly politicized situation, there is such a demand for an indictment to come out of this, I think that this officer will say I want to get in there and at least tell my side of the story. And in that sense, it's already weighted in favor of the prosecution because that officer is alive to tell his side of story. Michael Brown is not alive to tell his side of the story. And his good friend, who was right there with him, a key witness, he's got credibility problems. Because he was with, according to authorities, police excuse me, according to authorities, he was with Michael Brown at the convenience store minutes earlier during this alleged robbery. Now, he had spoken to the media and said we were talking down the street and minding our own business. So he may have credibility problems. He's the key witness who would stand up and say Michael Brown was doing nothing wrong and raising his hands.
[Baldwin:] Talking to Mark O'Mara, often the eye-witnesses are often traumatized by the series of events and it's sometimes blurry that the facts, whatever they see, aren't as picture-perfect as one would think.
[Toobin:] True. But when the prosecution has the burden of proving to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt what happened, if your witnesses are inconsistent, if your witnesses are traumatized, that's your problem as a prosecutor, not the defendant's.
[Baldwin:] Got it. Got it. Jeff Toobin, Jane Velez-Mitchell, thank you, thank you very much. Coming up next, he is a rapper, an entrepreneur, an activist, but he's also the son of a police officer. Mike Killer Mike Render joins live with his emotional words for the chaos in Ferguson. Plus, Spike Lee's remarks that there is, quote, "war on the black male."
[Spike Lee, Director:] And we get blinded to think that because we've got Oprah, we've got Michael Jordan, we've got Lebron, we've got Beyonce, we've got Jay-Z, that everything is OK. And I'm trying to show any disrespect to the great

[Romans:] All right, you're looking at live aerials of a bridge collapse in Washington State. It's along an interstate north of Seattle. It sent cars and passengers plunging into the frigid river below, 40 feet below. There are injuries, but miraculously no fatalities. And CNN has learned the bridge has already been classified technically as functionally obsolete by state transportation officials before it came crashing down. All of this unfolding last night in rural Mt. Vernon, Washington, the Interstate 5 about an hour north of Seattle. All right, controversial statements from billionaire hedge fund owner Paul Tudor Jones. At an investment forum last month he said there will never be as many great female investors or traders as men. When asked why? Jones said "Divorce and having kids are the kiss of death."
[Paul Tudor Jones, Founder, Tudor Investment Corporation:] As soon as that baby's lips touch that girl's bosom, forget it. Every single investment idea, ever desire to understand, every desire to understand what's going to make this go up or going to go down is going to be overwhelmed by the most beautiful experience which a man will never which a man will never share.
[Romans:] Jones later clarified that he was speaking specifically about female traders, not managers. He also told "The Washington Post," he tells his three daughters they can do anything they set their mind to. A 9-year-old girl goes toe-to-toe with the CEO of McDonald's. Yes, 9- year-old Hannah Robertson spoke during the company's annual shareholder meeting yesterday, saying, quote, "I don't think it's fair when big companies try to trick kids into eating food." She point blank asked the CEO Don Thompson, "Don't you want kids to be healthy so they can live a long and happy life?" Thompson thanked her for her comments and said McDonald's doesn't sell junk food.
[Berman:] So it is the unofficial start to summer, even if it won't be warm here unfortunately. We kick it off with a blockbuster weekend at the movies led by "Fast and Furious 6" if you love the first five you'll love the sixth and "The Hangover Part 3." Some are expecting a record take at the box office this weekend. Nischelle Turner has a preview of what's to come on the big screen.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Showbiz Correspondnet:] It's the season of big screen action, high-voltage star power, and multimillion dollar budgets. It's the summer movie season. Memorial Day to Labor Day is the unofficial period when Hollywood goes for broke, subpoenaing big bucks to make blockbuster gold.
[Billy Crystal, Actor:] The summer blockbusters started with "Jaws," that was insane.
[Turner:] Taking a huge bite out of the summer box office, movie after movie, year after year, is this guy. And Will Smith wants to do it again with "After Earth". The sci-fi adventure co-stars Smith's son, Jaden. What is your favorite?
[Jaden Smith, Actor:] This one for sure.
[Turner:] Smart kid, like it. Fellow A-Listers taking center stage, Matt Damon and Jodi Foster in Elysium, Jamie Foxx and Channing Tatum in "White House Down", Ryan Reynolds as "Turbo" and Brad Pitt's zombie apocalypse, "World War
[Z." Brad Pitt, Actor:] I just wanted to do a film that my boys could see before they turned 18. The "Man of Steel" and the "Lone Ranger" each get reboots.
[Armie Hammer, Actor:] You ride horses, you throw lassoes, you shoot guns; it was an amazing experience. And a buffet of summer sequels, including "Monsters University", "Smurfs 2", "Despicable Me 2", "Grownups 2" and Hollywood nice guy, Hugh Jackman's back as "The Wolverine".
[Hugh Jackman, Actor:] I'll never hurt you or anyone ever again. Playing Wolverine for the seventh time in 12 years and working with great people, I literally pinch myself every day. And finally, if raunchy humor gives you the giggles Seth Rogan makes his directorial debut with "This is the End". In fact, R-rated comedies rule all summer long, like "The Hangover 3," "The Internship," "We're the Millers" and the undeniably feminine cop flick "The Heat."
[Unidentified Female:] What are those? They are spanx. I am bringing my testosterone as well.
[Turner:] All right, John Berman. Now that I've set the table what are you looking forward to? What do you want to see?
[Berman:] If I can find a grownup to take me, I intend to see one of those R-rated comedies because they look really funny. But it depends if I can get in on shorts.
[Turner:] Well, I have to tell you, "This is the End", is very violent, but it is very funny. My face hurt after I watched this movie. And you know what; just for you John Berman, I put together an entire summer movie special that you can see, Saturday and Sunday right here on CNN at 7:30. Some of the highlights? I went to Canada, the set of the new "X-Men 4" movie and I sat down with Hugh Jackman. I went to the desert in Southern New Mexico with Will and Jaden Smith. And also I went and hung out in Vegas with the "Hangover 3" fellows.
[Berman:] You had me at Canada. Nischelle Turner, we will watch that special. Thank you so much for being with us. Can't wait to see that special. Can't wait to see those films. STARTING POINT back in a moment.

[Dr. Vincent Di Maio, Forensic Pathologist:] This case, again, that he was alive at the time he was shot and that the muzzle was not in contact, but had to be back. The first time you see powder tattoo marks is when the muzzle is a half inch away. Less than half an inch, you don't see tattoo marks. And as you begin to move the barrel away, the area of tattooing begins to get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then as it increases in range, your density will decrease. This is a fairly heavy density. So you know it's, you know, less than six inches and such. And the density decreases, until, finally, the tattoo marks disappear. This is ball powder, most probably flattened ball. It would disappear from bare skin at about three feet. But by the size, the density, this is close, somewhere between two and four inches.
[Don West, Defense Attorney:] Your opinion as to the distance is based upon your training and research?
[Di Maio:] Yeah, I've done a lot of research in powder tattooing, and whether you can make valid judgments as to range. That is, what firearms examiners will do, they'll use like, usually, heavy white paper and they'll fire the gun, and they get a whole, and then they get marks around it. And then, by the size of the pattern of the density, they'll give an opinion as to the range. Well, this has been used for 75, 80 years, to make judgments. Was the problem was, does it really reflect what happens on the skin? And I got curious about that, so I decided to make a determination, and I did experiments. And you have to use living animals to do it. And based on the experiments, I found out that, yes, it's valid. To determine the size of a pattern by shooting against like white paper is valid, out to at least 18 inches. So I got interested in there, with and then I did determinations of powder that to go from handguns and shotguns and rifles and how far it extends and how different types of powder makes such a determination. This is a ball powder variant, so it actually, it is a lot more grains than a cartridge loaded with powder, with ball powder. So you have a denser pattern. And because of the configuration of the grains of powder, they actually go out further. And I know it's ball powder, because the firearms examiner states that in her report.
[West:] Dr. Di Maio, the exhibit you just published to the jury is now on the screen. The detail may not be as good as on the photograph itself, but that's in evidence, the jury can review later. This is what you described as the two-inch-by-two inch tattooing pattern?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] Is that what helps you with more precise about the distance than just the half-inch, where you said it can't be less than a half inch, or the beyond 18 inches or several feet, where you know the powder would have dropped off.
[Di Maio:] Right. If it's less than half inch, you would see a hole surrounded by dense foot, and you would not see individual powder tattoo marks. Powder tattoo marks begin, in the metric system, 10 millimeters. It's about half inch. And then begin to you know, the powder gets broader and broader.
[West:] How does sorry how does the pattern get broader as the distance increases?
[Di Maio:] It's kind of like with a hose. When you have that spray coming out. You know, the cone shape, and, you know, the farther you get from the end of the hose, the bigger the spray pattern. So it's like that. But, of course, what happens is, just like the hose, after a while, the water droplets just fall off. You can only spray so far. It's the same thing with the powder. After a certain distance, it loses its velocity and just falls away.
[West:] Would the clothing it's not disputed in this case that the there was clothing in-between the end of the muzzle and the skin. In fact, we have the shirt here in the courtroom, if it would assist in your testimony, with the jury, but the question is, what effect, if any, would the clothing being in between have on the appearance of the wound itself on the skin?
[Di Maio:] In this case, none. Because the clothing was not between the powder and the skin. At the time of discharge. Because there was a hole there produced by the gas and bullet. So don't forget, the powder is behind the bullet. So the gas tear open the clothes and the bullet makes sure there's a hole there, and then the powder comes through there. Now, if you had the gun, say, six inches away from the clothing, the clothing, you'll have just a little hole, and the clothing will filter out the powder, to a degree. But in this case the filter didn't powder out the clothing, because the clothing wasn't there. You had a hole there, and you had the muzzle against the body, and so everything coming out the muzzle was going through the hole.
[West:] If the muzzle of the gun had been pressed into Trayvon Martin's chest, even with the clothing in-between, what would you see differently than what you see here?
[Di Maio:] You would see a hole like that, and it would be surrounded by a halo of black soot, and maybe on the skin, a grain or two of powder. But you wouldn't see powder tattooing. Because what the clothing would do, it disperses the soot. It doesn't disperse the powder. The powder would be inside the body.
[West:] From a medical examiner's standpoint, with your training and experience, literally having written the book, is this a hard call for you?
[Di Maio:] No. This is basic, you know, 101.
[West:] Let's talk for a moment, if we might, about the trajectory of the bullet itself, and having reviewed the medical examiner's report, included the photographs, I take it, that were available of the internal examination?
[Di Maio:] No, there weren't photographs of the internal examination. There was an x-ray. Which is actually better. Because the bullet can shift around.
[West:] Let's talk about the well, reference the x-ray, if you wish. That's in evidence too, somewhere in this stack. But also that you know path of the bullet through the right ventricle and into the lower left lung.
[Di Maio:] Right. Well, what the autopsy describes
[West:] I'm sorry, the lower right lung. I'm sorry.
[Di Maio:] What the autopsy describes is a bullet hole in the left chest, as I said, an inch to the left of the midline. It goes through the, what's called the fifth intercostal space. That is, in between your ribs, you have spaces. The fifth intercostal space is the space between your fifth rib and your sixth rib. So it went through there, and then it hit the sack surrounding the heart, went through the right ventricle of the heart, in and out. And then it went into the right lung. And when you look at the x-ray, you can see the lead core of the bullet in sort of the center. And then you see the jacket fragments on the right side of the chest. So the bullet really went from the deceased's front to his back, and from his left to his right, because it went into the right lung, and started out on the left side.
[West:] Meaning there must have been, based upon your review of the description of the autopsy, must have been at least a slight left-to- right trajectory?
[Di Maio:] Yes. There's some. I can't really quantitate it, but there's some that the bullet was going from Mr. Martin's left to his right.
[West:] I wanted to point that out, meaning from Mr. Martin's right, toward Mr. Martin's right.
[Di Maio:] That's correct. There's a standard way of describing wounds. And when you describe wounds and when you talk left to right and up and down, you're talking from the deceased's viewpoint, not from you looking at him. So whenever I would say, like, from front to back, it means Mr. Martin's front to his back, his left to his right.
[West:] In other words, it was not precisely a straight-on shot?
[Di Maio:] No. It does not appear so.
[West:] Let's talk for a moment about the mechanics of that shot, putting together the defect on the clothing, that's a result of contact with the muzzle, that you believe that the distance between the clothing and skin was somewhere between two and four inches, not in contact. Your understanding of Mr. Zimmerman's statement, because of the video reenactment, your work, essentially, or your task was to determine whether the medical evidence was consistent with what Mr. Zimmerman said happened. Is that
[Di Maio:] That's fair.
[West:] Let's talk about that for a moment. First of all, were you aware that Mr. Zimmerman said that Trayvon Martin was straddling him?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] And leaning over him?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] And that Mr. Zimmerman had the gun in his right hand?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] And if you would, describe, then, what you know about that sequence of events, compared with the medical forensic and gunshot evidence.
[Di Maio:] The medical evidence, the gunshot wound, the tattooing is consistent with his opinion, with his statement as to that. And the reason it is, is, don't forget, the simplest thing is the gun was in his right hand. So if you're going to shoot somebody and you're right-handed and you're real close to them, the there's the natural inclination to, with a twist of the hand, that the bullet will tend to go from the deceased's left to his right, OK? But that's a minor point. The most important point is the nature of the defect in the clothing and the powder tattooing. That is, if you lean over somebody, you would notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. If, instead, you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you, the clothing is going to be against your chest. So the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting and that the clothing is two to four inches away from the person firing.
[West:] You may consider, in your opinion, as well, that the clothing was wet, Mr. Martin's shirt was described as being damp, that it had been raining that night, and that when it was photographed at the medical examiner's office the next day, it was obviously wet in places. You may also consider that the responding officers found an unopened can of a beverage in the front pouch of Mr. Martin's hooded sweatshirt. This is in evidence as exhibit 148, an unopened 23-ounce can of a fruit beverage.
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] Do you find those facts consistent with what you saw, as well as consistent with what Mr. Zimmerman said happened?
[Di Maio:] That would tend to reinforce, because, the reason that the clothes, as you bend force, the clothing falls away from the body is gravity. Now, if you have wet clothing, clothing is heavier. And there's going to be a greater tendency to fall. And if you have something in the front, pulling the shirt down, as you lean over, again, it tends to pull away from the body. So, the wound, itself, by the gap, by the powder tattooing, in the face of a contact with the clothing, indicates that this is consistent with Mr. Zimmerman's account, that he, that Mr. Martin was over him, leaning forward, at the time he was shot.
[West:] Let's shift gears for a moment and talk about Trayvon Martin's the mechanics of the effect of Trayvon Martin receiving that shot, in terms of how long you believe he would have survived and how long, within that time, you believe he may have been conscious, and further, what, if anything, he could do voluntarily during the time he was conscious. Whether he could talk or move or be physically active. You follow me?
[Di Maio:] Yes. There are three questions that you've brought up. Number one is conscious is the able to move. That that is determined by the amount of oxygen in your brain. Of which you have a reserve of 10 to 15 seconds. So even if I right now reach across, put my hand through your chest, grabbed your heart and ripped it out, you could stand there and talk to me for 10 to 15 seconds, or walk over to me because the thing that's controlling your movement and ability to speak is the brain. And that has a reserve supply of 10 to 15 seconds. Now, that's minimum. That assumes no blood is going to the brain. If you get some more blood going to the brain, that could be longer. OK? It's just going to depend on blood pressure and how severe your wound. The other thing is, and I know the answers are kind of getting complicated, not being simple is, that some people get shot and immediately collapse, some people get shot, don't even know they've been shot. So they can function. So what I'm saying is minimum is 10 to 15 seconds. That's a given, OK? Now, how long can your heart beat, because I'm using the time of death cardiac, not brain. That's not relevant here. OK. Cardiac. In case you have a through-and-through hole of a right ventricle, and then you have at least one hole, if not two, into the right lung. So you're losing blood. And every time the heart contracts, it pumps blood out the two holes in the ventricle and at least one hole in the lung. So you're losing blood. If you engage in a struggle, which is what was supposed to have happened, your heart rate increases. Mr. Martin was a healthy young man. If he's involved in a struggle, you expect his heart to be going, beating, especially after he gets shot, more than 100 times a minute. You know, healthy people, 120 in a struggle is no big deal. Now, remember, every time the heart beats, out comes the blood. Now, if he loses say it's only beating 100, which is relatively slow. If he loses 15 if he loses, OK, we've got the three things. Say he loses a tablespoon of blood every time the heart beats, which is, you know, you've got two big holes in the heart. So if you lose that, a tablespoon, that's not that much. That's 15 CCs. The heart is beating 100. You're losing 1,500 CCs in a minute. That's about a quarter of his blood and the second minute if he can assume the same rate, the heart will probably be beating faster. He's going to lose another 15. That means he's lost more than 50 percent of his blood supply. Very suddenly. It's not just the loss of blood. At that point, he's not pumping any sufficient blood to the heart or brain and he's reached a point where he's going to die. Assuming these conditions and all probability, nothing's 100 percent, he's going to be dead within one to three minutes after being shot in this case. All I'm talking about his heart effectively pumping blood. You can still get some electrical activity, but you're not pumping. This is an all probability. How long was he conscious? Significantly shorter than the time necessary to die because you wouldn't have sufficient oxygen getting to the brain. I can't tell you exactly how long he could be conscious. I could tell you the minimum, 10 to 15, unless psychologically he just blacks out. That's the best you can give in essence.
[West:] In your training and experience, are you familiar with incidents where individuals received a similar or even more serious injury than you see that Trayvon Martin sustained and could still talk, move, do voluntary actions for that 1O to 15 seconds?
[Di Maio:] Oh, yes. Best case I have, speaking like a forensic pathologist, an individual shot at point-blank range in the chest with a shotgun, he turn around and ran around 65, 75 feet before he collapsed.
[West:] Does the fact of being shot in the heart itself mean anything other than it has an accelerated loss of blood and will quickly deplete the oxygen to the brain because of the loss of circulating blood?
[Di Maio:] Nothing else than that.
[West:] It doesn't cause the same kind of physical response as being shot in the head?
[Di Maio:] Right. Some of the swat teams, if they want to immobilize somebody immediately, you have to shoot them in the head.
[West:] From what I understand you to say then for at least 10 to 15 seconds after Mr. Martin sustained the shot he would have been capable of talking and of voluntary movement?
[Di Maio:] He could, right. Some people just lose consciousness immediately. It's psychological. It's not physical. He has the potential for 10 to 15 seconds minimum.
[West:] Which could include moving his arms from an out stretched position to under his body?
[Bernie De La Rionda, Prosecutor:] Objection.
[Debra Nelson, Circuit Judge:] Sustained.
[West:] Could that include moving his arms from an out-reached position to underneath his body during that 10 to 15 seconds?
[Di Maio:] Yes.
[West:] At the time that one loses consciousness, I take it they then lose the ability for voluntary movement?
[Di Maio:] Oh, yeah. Once you're unconscious you don't have voluntary movement.
[West:] You would not be feeling pain?
[Di Maio:] That's correct.
[West:] Let's talk for a moment about the injury to Trayvon Martin's knuckle. Do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger?
[Di Maio:] Right.
[West:] Do you agree with Dr. Bao that's an abrasion-type injury?
[Di Maio:] It appears to be.
[West:] Is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface?
[Di Maio:] It's consistent with impacting a hard surface.
[West:] Would concrete qualify?
[Di Maio:] Concrete can qualify, yes.
[West:] In your training and experience under circumstances like this, would you expect to see bruising on the knuckles if there had been punching going on?
[Di Maio:] You can see bruising or you cannot see bruising. It depends what part of the body you punch. The softer the portion, you may not see it. In a case like this you can have bruising but it may not be visible unless you cut open the hand, the skin and peel it back. There may have been bruising there that we don't know about or there may not have been bruising but it doesn't make that much difference. You can punch someone and not get bruises and punch someone and get bruises. It's just too variable.
[West:] Does it take blood pressure in order to get bruising?
[Di Maio:] Yes. Once your blood pressure goes, you can't get bruising. That's why they say you can't bruise a dead body. No blood pressure. The bruising occurs when the blood pushes the blood out of torn blood vessels into the soft tissue.
[West:] In this instance, Mr. Martin lost blood pressure quickly?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] Had Dr. Bao been looking for bruising, especially in the knuckles, the better course or the better practice would have been to take a look internally?
[Di Maio:] Right.
[West:] As far as you know that was not done in this case?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[West:] Let's then move, if we might, to the injuries that George Zimmerman sustained. You've been provided photographs that were taken at the scene of his bloody nose, is that right?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] A photograph that was taken of the back of his head showing some streaming blood?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] Were you also provided with copies of the photographs that were taken later that night some four, four and a half hours later by the Sanford Police Department?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] Let's talk then a little about head trauma. Let's talk about the mechanisms or the mechanics of blood-force injury to the head.
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[West:] What happens when somebody is hit in the head either by a fist or has their head impacted against the hard surface like concrete?
[Di Maio:] Well, OK. The what will happen is the brain, the head will move. The head space then all of sudden it's made to move or it's moving, hits, and stops suddenly it works the same way the brain will shift. The brain is kind of like gelatin. It will move back and forth inside the cranial cavity. As it moves back and forth, there's three possibilities. One, you get bruising by impacting the bone inside. The brain can come back and hit the bone so hard, you get bruising. Or

[Blackwell:] In South Africa right now, Oscar Pistorius is testifying for a seventh day at his murder trial, being questioned now by his own attorney, now that the intense cross examination has come to an end. Prosecutors spent the morning trying to catch the sprinter in inconsistencies over what happened the night he shot and killed girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. Listen.
[Gerrie Nel, Prosecutor:] You said we should blame you for having taken a life. That's what you said yesterday, am I right?
[Oscar Pistorius:] That's correct, my lady.
[Nel:] Who should be blamed for you having shot her?
[Pistorius:] My lady, I believed that there was a threat that was on my life.
[Nel:] So, once again, we have we shouldn't blame you for the fact that you shot her. Am I right?
[Pistorius:] I agree with Mr. Nel, my lady.
[Nel:] That we shouldn't blame you. Then who should we blame? We should blame somebody or something. Who should be blamed?
[Pistorius:] I'm not sure, my lady.
[Nel:] Should we blame Reeva?
[Pistorius:] No, my lady.
[Nel:] She never told you she's going to the toilet. Should we not blame her?
[Pistorius:] No, my lady.
[Nel:] Should we blame the government?
[Pistorius:] I don't know who one should blame, my lady.
[Nel:] I'm asking you must be blaming somebody for this.
[Pistorius:] I don't, my lady. I believed there was a threat.
[Blackwell:] CNN legal analyst Kelly Phelps is at the courthouse in Pretoria. Kelly, so the cross examination is now and it was contentious at many points. Take a look at it over the five-day span of this cross examination, and what is your feeling, your perception of what was accomplished during those days?
[Kelly Phelps, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, it's really too soon to tell what was accomplished because we can look at cross examination in and of its own right, but that's not the way the judge and the assessors will be looking at it. That they'll be considering his portion of testimony in relation to all the evidence of the trial. We can infer how Pistorius' legal team thinks that they've fared in this because they have just completed their re-examination of Pistorius. And in stark contrast to all of the days spent on the stand poring over details by the prosecution, Pistorius's legal team essentially stood up and finished within a matter of minutes, picking on just four key points that they chose to re-examine and emphasize from the court. So they clearly don't feel too raffled by how things have gone. I think what Nel did manage to do finally for the first time in the trial really was put a very clear version of his narrative of what the state, in essence, accuses Mr. Pistorius of actually committing that night, which up until now we haven't been exactly clear how they've said that evening played out, and he did put a clear version of that on the record. But the defense knows they still have other witnesses to put on the stand, and they clearly feel that they still have a case to present.
[Blackwell:] We know the burden is on the state to prove its case, but are you surprised that after five days of cross examination that the redirect was just a few minutes?
[Phelps:] No, I'm not surprised at all. In fact, it's entirely what I expected. And the reason I say that is that it provides a counterbalance from a strategic perspective to the strategy that Mr. Nel put forward, and these two gentlemen know each other's strategies very well. This is not the first time they've appeared in a case together. So while Mr. Nel's strategy was all about drawing it out for a long period of time, essentially confusing the issue and then trying to trip Pistorius up, Mr. Roux took the exact opposite strategy. He went in for a short, sharp re-examination and simply highlighted to the court, essentially trying to rise up from the white noise, what they believe are core, key contentions that cause trouble for the state's case.
[Blackwell:] Interesting. One more thing, can you explain for us or describe what we're not seeing and who we're not seeing, especially, obviously, Oscar Pistorius, who's decided not to appear on camera, but give us an idea of his disposition, his posture in this courtroom.
[Phelps:] Well, today his posture was a lot more composed than it had been yesterday, but throughout his period on the stand, we have seen him veer at times from quite composed and very focused and determined, directing his evidence straight towards the judge, not looking back once at Mr. Nel speaking to him. We've seen it veer from that to be very emotional, sort of crunching down into himself again, hands on head, and then also at times, probably quite understandably so we've seen some signs of frustration and sighing and his head going back as he sat through and endured that grueling cross examination from Mr. Nel. So we've seen him veer from all different states throughout this very long, over a week that he's been on the stand.
[Blackwell:] And it continues. Kelly Phelps there for us in Pretoria, thanks.
[Romans:] All right. Six minutes to the top of the hour. We'll be right back.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight. A well-respected cardiologist refuses to pay a $135,000 strip club bill, claiming he was drugged, drugged four times? But why does he keep going back? Bombshell tonight. Our investigation reveals the doctor signed all his own American Express bills at the strip club. Hey, Doctor, you`re busted!
[Unidentified Male:] A cardiologist is accused of trying to skip out on a huge bill from a strip club to the tune of over $135,000. The doctor denied the charges, saying he wasn`t there, and later saying he must have been drugged by the staff. The strip club says they have camera footage that proves the doctor was at the club.
[Grace:] And tonight, caught on tape. We go live to a quiet community that explodes with serious allegations, two so-called special ed teachers giving a little autistic boy a horrendous beating, shoving the boy to the floor, beating him in the head, even choking the little autistic boy, the child having no way to go home and tell Mommy and Daddy, if it weren`t for another brave teacher so shocked she records the whole thing on her cell phone in secret. Tonight, we want justice!
[Unidentified Male:] ... this special education student, who according to police is on this video being choked, hit, and beaten in this Harper Archer middle school classroom. His mother says the video shows her 11-year-old autistic son being mistreated, hit, and tossed around by another teacher`s aide.
[Grace:] And to Little Falls, Minnesota. A 65-year-old hears a noise in the broad daylight. He grabs his guns and shoots, gunning down two all- American neighborhood teens that broke into the home. The case takes a bizarre turn when homeowner Byron Smith says he kills them both with, quote, "a good clean shot" to the head. Tonight, self-defense or murder?
[Unidentified Male:] Sixty-four-year-old Byron Smith admitted to police that he shot and killed 18-year-old Haley Kifer and her cousin, 17- year-old Nick Brady, after they broke into his home. Prosecutors allege Smith was lying in wait in his basement, armed and planning to kill the teens.
[Unidentified Female:] And then you hear Nick Brady groaning. Then you hear another bang, and Byron Smith says "You`re dead."
[Grace:] And to Wellsville, Utah, a 2-year-old little boy fatally shot in the family living room, shot with a loaded rifle belonging to Daddy. Tonight, no charges?
[Unidentified Male:] Police say the 2-year-old`s death was a tragic accident, and as of now, no charges have been filed. But the question remains, why was the 3-year-old able to get her hands on a rifle and fire off the deadly shot?
[Grace:] That video from ABC`s "GMA." And then to Kansas, a murder suspect getting ready to defend himself on murder charges. But in addition to getting a story and his witnesses together, he demands the court give him a free tattoo removal, claiming his tattoo that says "murder" around his neck could give the wrong impression.
[Unidentified Female:] Strong reactions to Jeffrey Chapman`s tattoo.
[Unidentified Male:] That`s ridiculous. Why would you ever get that?
[Unidentified Female:] Here you can see the word "murder" in big block letters. The focus is quickly shifting from the crime to the accused`s tattoo.
[Unidentified Male:] Appearance of the defendant makes a lot of difference.
[Unidentified Female:] Chapman`s attorney say the tattoo needs to be removed.
[Grace:] Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A well-respected cardiologist refusing to pay nearly $200,000 strip club bill, claiming he was drugged, drugged at the strip club. But four times? Why did he keep going back? Our investigation tonight reveals this doctor, a well-known cardiologist he`s in practice with his father and his twin brother, all of them cardiologists he signed his own American Express bills at the strip club! Uh-oh, Doctor. You`re totally busted! A well-known cardiologist. Do you want this guy operating on your heart? Straight out to Michael Board, WOAI. What happened, Michael?
[Michael Board, Woai:] Well, Nancy, the lawsuit alleges that over a 10- day period, Dr. Zyad Younan went to the Scores strip club four times, racking up a bill of about $135,000. Nancy, that`s more than most people`s houses. And he was spending his money. Apparently, there they sell champagne bottles for $1,000 a bottle.
[Grace:] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait, wait, wait, wait! A thousand dollars for a bottle of champagne?
[Board:] For one...
[Grace:] Dinner $250, cover charge 20 bucks, drinks, dance packages up to $750. And isn`t it true, Michael Board, you go into a private room for $1,000 an hour, and the, quote, "girls" are extra on top of that $1,000 when you go in these private rooms? What was this doctor doing?
[Board:] Yes, you wonder what this 41-year-old doctor was doing with these girls much younger than he is in these back rooms. They won`t tell you what goes on back there, but Nancy, we both know what goes on in the back...
[Grace:] Whoa! OK. Hold on! Hold on! There`s the private room. I like that pit
[Unidentified Female:] Hey, Nancy. I just want to know, this $135,000 bill that he racked up in what was less than a week I want to know, was he did he have a line of credit at the strip club or did...
[Grace:] Good question.
[Unidentified Female:] ... or was he was he using...
[Grace:] Let`s answer that question, Kelly in Kentucky. Let`s go to Mark Yackow, COO of Scores strip club. Mark, thank you for being with us.
[Mark Yackow, Coo Of Scores:] My pleasure.
[Grace:] Mark, first of all, do you get a line of credit? How does it work? How can you rack up $135,000? I mean, when I go to Target and it`s over $200, they make me show my driver`s license. So how can he rack up about 150 grand in strip club charges?
[Yackow:] Every time he does a transaction, whether it`s the purchase of liquor, to go into a private champagne room or to...
[Grace:] What`s a champagne room? Hold on. Mark, what`s a champagne room?
[Yackow:] It`s a private room, just a private room, nicely decorated, with music...
[Grace:] You know what?
[Yackow:] ... a TV in there...
[Grace:] You know what, Mark Yackow? No offense, but that`s like putting perfume on the pig. You`re calling a private room where you take a bunch of strippers a champagne room? I think they`re doing more than sipping champagne. Maybe a little juice and gin`s going down back there. OK, so Mark, how did he rack up 150 grand?
[Yackow:] Well, he was there just to correct the record, he was there three different times. But one of the evenings, he started before midnight and he ended after midnight. So that`s how the four dates came upon. But he was there three different times. And each time, when he came in he came in, he came in and he took six or seven girls into the private room for
[Grace:] Whoa! Wait a minute! Mark Yackow, I`m getting more details than I bargained for. So this cardiologist let`s just say, you know, my brother, my father, everybody`s got heart problems. Do I really want a guy hovering over my father in open heart surgery, or my brother, after he`s been out with seven strippers in the champagne room all night long? So how much would it cost to take seven strippers in the champagne room?
[Yackow:] Well, they get paid approximately $5,000 an hour for the girls and the room...
[Grace:] OK, that physically hurt me. Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Gary Casimir and Peter Odom. All right, Peter, his defense is, I don`t remember a thing, they drugged me.
[Peter Odom, Defense Attorney:] In a case like this, he better have some evidence to show that he was drugged. They`re going to have signatures on those cards. They`re going to be able to show that at least he was conscious enough to write his signature. So they`d better show presumptive evidence that he actually was drugged, or he`s going to lose.
[Grace:] OK. You`re supposed to be taking the defense. All right, Casimir, see if you can do any better.
[Gary Casimir, Defense Attorney:] Well, I think...
[Grace:] What`s your defense?
[Casimir:] Yes, I think at this point, he`s going the right way. I think he`s saying that he was drugged, that he was incapacitated at the time.
[Grace:] Four times in a row?
[Casimir:] It`s possible. Four times in a row, he keeps getting drunk. Like most habitual alcoholics, he keeps going back to the place...
[Grace:] Put him back up!
[Casimir:] I`m sorry?
[Grace:] OK, could you repeat that, Casimir?
[Casimir:] Like most...
[Grace:] So he gets drugged...
[Casimir:] ... habitual alcoholics...
[Grace:] ... then he goes back...
[Casimir:] ... he keeps going back and getting high.
[Grace:] OK, but alcoholics that`s different from being drugged.
[Casimir:] No, absolutely. Alcoholic or drugged. He claims that they drugged him. But let`s say, for example, he`s incapacitated, whether it`s drugs or alcohol, he can`t make a decision.
[Grace:] What do you mean...
[Casimir:] You can`t hold a guy responsible and you can`t keep serving a drunk guy alcohol. If he goes out of the place and kills somebody,
[Grace:] Gary? Gary, did you hear the Scores guy, the COO of Scores? He just said he took seven strippers back to the champagne room, and they make five grand an hour. I think they`re doing a little more than serving champagne, Gary. He`s not...
[Casimir:] Absolutely. But the question becomes...
[Grace:] So his claim you know what? I think the answer to this is to find out if he was out of his gourd with all of those strippers...
[Casimir:] Absolutely.
[Grace:] ... or if he was, let me see, performing normally. Back to Mark Yackow, COO of Scores. So Mark, have you guys actually filed a lawsuit, or are you planning to file a lawsuit?
[Yackow:] We have filed a lawsuit.
[Grace:] And did you try to get the money from him before you filed a lawsuit?
[Yackow:] Absolutely. As a matter of fact, his claim is he was never even in the club, that he was drugged outside the club, and the girls took his credit card and his passport and came into the club three different times. It was absurd.
[Grace:] Well, let me ask you this, Mark Yackow. Strip clubs are a lot like casinos. They`ve got videocameras everywhere, basically to make sure nobody steals. But this place is blanketed with videocameras, right? Don`t you have videocameras of him being in there?
[Yackow:] Absolutely. And I offered him to come in, to show him the video that he was in the club. He refused.
[Grace:] Well, let me ask you this. The other day, "USA Today" did a profile of this doctor, Dr. Zyad Younan, a well-known cardiologist with his father and his brother, because they`re all three cardiologists. Do you think his Daddy knows that he`s spending nearly 200 grand at a strip club and he`s going to be the target of a lawsuit?
[Yackow:] He probably knows now.
[Grace:] Well, he probably knows now. Well put. OK, cardiologist is going to operate on you the next morning, out all night with seven strippers in the champagne room. While get your mind around that, when we get back, caught on tape, two so-called special ed teachers giving a little autistic boy a horrendous beating, shoving the child to the floor, beating him in the head, laughing, making fun of him, even choking the little autistic boy.

[Bolduan:] And welcome back to NEW DAY. The death toll is climbing in Colorado from the severe flooding there. Eight people now confirmed dead, 648 remain missing or unaccounted for. Finally, though, Mother Nature giving rescue workers a much- needed break, allowing them to search for people who have been stranded and cut off for days. CNN's George Howell has the latest for us this morning from Colorado. You've been following it from the beginning, George. How's it looking this morning?
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Kate, good morning. So, I'm sure you can see here, this river still rushing. Just a few days ago from where I'm standing right now, I would have been under water. So fair to say the floodwaters are starting to recede. We're also seeing the number unaccounted for slowly go down. And for the first time, people are returning to their homes to see what's left.
[Howell:] New images emerged overnight. Choppers once again taking to the sky, evacuating at least 100 people. Emergency response out in full force. Searching homes, a desperate search for anyone still stranded in the mountains or unaccounted for, following Colorado's deadly flash floods.
[Unidentified Male:] Some areas in Larimer County experienced a 100- year flood, others experienced a 1,000-year flood. So, something that would only happened every 1,000 years.
[Howell:] This is what the region looked like from space, just days before, compared to this image taken after the massive flood that inundated northern and eastern Colorado. Returning to a devastated community, residents in Longmont seeing their homes for the first time since Thursday no longer habitable.
[Unidentified Male:] It's ruined. The basement is gone and it stinks so bad in there, you can barely stand it.
[Howell:] Jeff Larson's wife, Nina, watched as their SUV was swept away by rushing water.
[Unidentified Female:] I watched it being swept down the road. Our basement immediately started flooding. And so, I just took my son and his friends, Wyatt and Cole, and we went to the third level with the belly boats.
[Howell:] Evacuated nine hours later, they consider themselves lucky. Thick mud and water moved through Lyons, shifting entire homes from their foundation. This woman unable to reach her home on the other side of the river, in utter disbelief that it was picked up and moved several feet.
[Unidentified Female:] Today is our first day up here since we've been evacuated. And I feel like it's worse than I thought it would be. We lost absolutely everything we own.
[Howell:] So, when you look at, you know, this entire story, the past five days that we've covered here on NEW DAY, some 12,000 people were forced to evacuate because of the storm system. Just in the last day, we know of some 250 people who were rescued in Boulder County. And, Kate, those rescues continue.
[Bolduan:] And still, hundreds of people unaccounted for, hopefully with a break in the weather that number will drop dramatically today. George, thank you very much. We'll talk to you later in the show. Let's get straight to Indra Petersons, though, with the latest forecast and what they can be expecting in Colorado today. How it's looking?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes. I mean, it's really amazing the amount of records they've broken. Getting a breather today but it's not going to say that way. They broke the record for the most amount of rain in a day, for the month of September, and for the year so far. So, they really need this dry air moving in today, still an isolated threat for shower here and there, but the bigger concern were really be into tomorrow, and through Thursday, as another cold front makes its way into the Pacific Northwest, Wednesday night through Thursday and enhanced amount of rain. We are going to be seeing some dry air behind that for the rest of the week does look. But, of course, all this rain has to go somewhere. That's going to be the concern. As we make this way to the South Platte River, we're going to be looking at major flooding now spreading into places like Nebraska where they didn't see the rain. But now, they're worried about that debris blocking the river, and all that flooding heading their direction.
[Bolduan:] Yes. And still coming their way.
[Petersons:] Unfortunately.
[Bolduan:] All right. Indra, thank you so much. We'll get back to that later today. But, also coming up next on NEW DAY, it took 19 long hours to get the Costa Concordia fully upright. Take a look at this time lapse video. An operation, though, 20 months in the making. The question now, how do they get the massive ship out of the water altogether? We're going to go live to Italy, just ahead.
[Cuomo:] Plus, from here in the nation's capital, we're going to talk to survivors of the Navy Yard shooting. What happened inside? New information and details on how they were able to get out. Stay with us.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Prosecutors could file hate crime charges against a white supremacist who opened fire at two Jewish facilities in Kansas, taking three lives. Now, the 73-year-old suspect has been described as a raging anti-Semite. This morning, we're learning more about him and more importantly the victims. CNN's George Howell is in Overland Park, Kansas, this morning George.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris, he has been described as anti-Semite by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a man who for most of his life has been very vocal, especially online, about his hatred towards Jews. However, officials say of the three people he shot and killed last Sunday and families he terrorized, all were Christians. None of them were Jewish.
[Dispatcher, Overland Park Police:] Four or five shots have been fired into the front door. There's male with a shotgun.
[Howell:] The chilling 11 calls as three victims are shot and killed at two different Jewish facilities near Kansas City.
[Dispatcher, Overland Park Police:] Subject shot a female in the parking lot.
[Howell:] The alleged gunman, Frazier Glenn Cross, also known as Frazier Glenn Miller, a name well-known to the Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate groups. They say he's been long tied to white supremacist groups. Posting hate videos online, expressing anti-Semitic views like in this interview with Howard Stern.
[Howard Stern, Radio:] What is the biggest problem with the Jews?
[Frazier Glenn Cross:] They control the government, they control the mass media, they control the Federal Reserve Bank. And with those powers that are committing genocide against the white race.
[Howell:] In the aftermath of it all, we're learning more about the victims. Terri LaManno, occupation a therapist, her family calls a beautiful soul. Fourteen-year-old high school freshman Reat Griffin Underwood who loved to sing. And his grandfather, Dr. William Corporon, who was there to support his grandson an incredible loss for a family who has shown so much grace and courage in the face of incomprehensible crime.
[Unidentified Female:] I'm strong because I have faith and I know that god did not do this.
[Howell:] It's so hard to hear what these families have gone through. Cross has not yet been formally charged but we do expect to see him face federal hate crime charges filed later this morning Kate.
[Bolduan:] We'll obviously watch what happens there. But I think you point out a very important point, George, is to focus on the families, focus on the victims, focus on that daughter and mother who is going through something completely unmanageable right now.
[Cuomo:] Yes, for all the First Amendment protection we have, what motivated these actions does not deserve a fair hearing.
[Bolduan:] Evil is not OK.
[Cuomo:] No.
[Bolduan:] Let's turn to some weather now though this morning. Overnight, extreme weather tearing through the South. Meteorologist Indra Petersons has been tracking it all for us all morning, Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] I mean, lot of times when people heard the words "straight line damage from winds" and they don't pay attention as much as they want to hear the word "tornadoes". But here's exact reason why. We're talking knocked 30 mobile homes overturned from straight line winds yesterday. Thanks to the storm system that's making its way across the country. So, let's talk about where that system right now. Where is that threat? We're looking at the damage from straight line winds possible from Norfolk, all the way back down through Florence, places like Jacksonville, we're going to have that threat again for severe thunderstorms as all of that energy really kicks up, especially in the afternoon again. Look at this. Look at the temperature difference. This is the reason we're talking about severe weather. Warm temperatures along the East Coast, but just behind the cold front. Look at the 20s and 30s right now and may want to look the actual snow making its way through, yes, this late in the season, looks like Cincinnati already seeing some soft flurries. So, here's the frontal system looking for heavy rain in the south, spreading into the northeast, lasting throughout the day. Not clearing out until overnight. Look closer. Even that cold air is filling in bringing in flurries to Philly. Even New York City overnight, the bulk of it, yes, probably 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, may not even noticed it, but that cold air makes its way down in the Southeast. So, this huge temperature drop makes its way through. Heavy rain will be there. But more importantly, the cold air, the temperatures drop another 20 degrees by tomorrow. It felt so good for like a day, right?
[Bolduan:] It will be back.
[Petersons:] It will be back.
[Bolduan:] The roller coaster continues.
[Petersons:] I like the positive attitude.
[Cuomo:] You said the cold was gone. It wasn't coming back.
[Petersons:] When did I say that?
[Cuomo:] Science.
[Petersons:] Rewind.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, too deep. The robot sub going too far, too fast right out of the gate. So, we're going to look at the challenges searchers now face the deeper they have to look.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. Welcome to LEGAL VIEW. He signed the bill. He's proud of the bill. But as you just heard live here on CNN, the embattled governor of Indiana says he now wants to fix that bill that the defenders call a Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but the critics call a license to discriminate, specifically against gays and lesbians. In the five short days since Indiana became the 20th state with a law purporting to defend religious faith and practices, the economic backlash alone has been huge. Hoosier companies have threatened pullbacks. Other states have ordered boycotts. The likes of Apple and the NCAA have weighed in negatively. And this would seem to be the result.
[Gov. Mike Pence , Indiana:] I think it would be helpful, and I'd like to see on my desk before the end of this week, legislation that is added to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana that makes it clear that this law does not give businesses a right to deny services to anyone. We want to make it clear that Indiana's open for business. We want to make it clear that Hoosier hospitality is not a slogan, it's our way of life.
[Banfield:] I'm joined now by CNN's Miguel Marquez, who is live in Indianapolis. And, Miguel, I know you've got a special guest with you, but, wow, this blowback was something that the governor said he did not expect, but he is having to deal with it.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Clearly he has caved. It's not a it's not clear how much he has caved or what that fix in this bill will look like. He seems to be talking about something that would include that the that the legislation that they that he signed into law would not surpass federal, state
[Greg Louganis, Olympic Gold Medalist:] Yes.
[Marquez:] You become Olympic gold medalist, of course, and you've become sort of an activist on this issue.
[Louganis:] Yes.
[Marquez:] You were not allowed into the press conference. But what do you make of why is it important to gain lesbians and transgender everywhere, what we're seeing here in Indiana?
[Louganis:] Well, OK, my husband's not from Indy, OK?
[Marquez:] Oh, he's not from Indy, sorry.
[Louganis:] He's from Lafayette. But, you know, it's you know, it's so important to me, you know, that, you know, legislation like this hurts our LGBT and questioning youth. You know, what kind of message are we sending our young people? You know, it's a high rate of teen suicides amongst gay teens and, you know, and, you know, I struggled with this growing up as a gay person.
[Marquez:] The governor says that there will be a fix. I don't know how closely you have followed the minutia of this bill and of what's happening here, but what do you want to see come out of the house and senate here in Indianapolis?
[Louganis:] Well, basically inclusion, you know, that our rights are protected as the LGBT community. You know, I've always felt embraced by Indiana, by Indianapolis. I've been to Olympic diving trials, nationals, Pan American games here. I made my professional dance debut. I don't think it reflects the people of Indiana.
[Marquez:] Do you think Indiana is getting a bad rap in all of this?
[Louganis:] I don't I'm not going to say that Indiana's getting a bad rap with this. I mean something needs to be done. And I think that education needs to happen. Sexual identity is you're born this way. You know, so you're excluding, you know, a portion of humanity.
[Marquez:] Ashleigh, did you have a question for Mr. Louganis?
[Banfield:] I you know, I'd love I'd love to get his reaction to what the governor said or didn't say. I mean a fix, but he wouldn't say what a fix was.
[Marquez:] Yes, he yes, he
[Banfield:] And certainly it's shot Miguel, short of this notion of protection, a protected class for gays and lesbians in the state of Indiana, what could possibly fix this bill?
[Louganis:] I don't know what can fix the bill. I really don't. I mean you do have to include you know, be inclusive that
[Marquez:] Right. Well
[Louganis:] Sexual identity be be in place.
[Marquez:] During the press conference he said he'd accept a fix, but he wouldn't go so far as to include a nondiscrimination clause for gays and lesbians and transgender across Indiana, which is something that activists have asked for, for many years.
[Louganis:] Right.
[Marquez:] I mean, so
[Louganis:] Well, you know what, I you know, I come from California. We have Prop 8. You know, that was you know, that was we had to fight to defeat that so that I can marry my soulmate, Johnny Chailot, be legally married in the state of California. So we've had our issues with, you know, with our own legislation in California. And it appears that that's what's happening here now in Indiana.
[Marquez:] Yes. Ashleigh, anything else?
[Banfield:] No. We're watching this. And clearly, Miguel, great reporting on that. I could hear the questions over and over again, but I kept hearing a lot of the same answers. And I, for one, am dying to find out what this legislative fix will be but so far no answers from the governor, no hints either.
[Marquez:] Well, that's that's the question.
[Banfield:] Yes, that's really it. I mean until we get that, there's there's so little to talk about other than those who are so frustrated.
[Marquez:] And, you know, I asked him during the very last part of the press conference whether he personally believed if individuals who were Christian, they owned businesses, photography, florists, bakers, if he personally believed whether they should be they should have to supply services to gays and lesbians for their weddings, and he again, like over the weekend, he dodged the question. So I think a lot of this is even though he says it doesn't it doesn't discriminate, that Indiana doesn't discriminate, there it comes back to that question over gay and lesbian weddings and how that has really thrown a wrench into the into the
[Banfield:] Yes. And what makes it so different as well from 1993 and for many of the other states, like Illinois, where Barack Obama signed the legislation as well. There was protection for gays and lesbians in Illinois. So it is different. It's not the same.
[Marquez:] It is not.
[Banfield:] And that's frustrating to hear that it's the same. Miguel Marquez, thank you. And our great thanks to Greg Louganis. By the way, huge fan, Greg, of your incredible
[Louganis:] Oh, thank you.
[Banfield:] I mean, wow, I heard Greg Louganis is on the show and I thought I wish I could talk to you about sports, but here we are talking about this instead. Anyway, thanks to both of you for shedding light on this and for trying to work through these complicated concepts as well. By the way, we are working on another very, very important story here. And we are just hours away right now, mere hours away, from a deadline that the whole world is watching for the United States and other countries everywhere. These people have something on the table that it's either signed or it's not signed and it matters. It is a deadline to make a nuclear deal with Iran. If it happens, can President Obama even sell this when he brings it home?

[Baldwin:] It is back up and running this weekend, the Texas Giant, Six Flags Over Texas reopening that roller coaster just days after a lawsuit was filed over a deadly fall; 52-year-old Rosy Esparza, she was visiting the park back in July when she slipped out of her lap bar going down the roller coaster's first huge hill. The lawsuit says Esparza was upside down, holding on for dear life and then fell 75 feet to her death. CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin is in New York. Sunny, I know that this lawsuit contains some pretty disturbing, is that the right word, details about what exactly Esparza went through. What happened?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] I think certainly that's the right word. This was just a disturbing and horrific death. I have the lawsuit in front of me. It's about 16 pages. And it outlines what exactly happened to Mrs. Esparza. I think what is so terrible about this is that her daughter and son-in-law were in the seats in front of her and could not do anything. They heard her screaming, Brooke. They turned around, and then they saw her upside down, head down, feet up holding on for dear life. And they also witnessed her falling 75 feet. And it took them quite some time to get off the roller coaster ride. They had to continue the ride. They weren't left off immediately let off immediately. And all of that is outlined here. I have got to tell you, I read a lot of lawsuits, of course. I read a lot of facts, and this is extremely, extremely disturbing, because it outlines the last moments of someone who was watched by their loved ones die.
[Baldwin:] Awful, awful, awful. And then you have the lawsuit. So you have read that this suit is accusing Six Flags of putting thrills over safety quote "building extreme roller coasters that are bigger, faster, and more dangerous," and Six Flags is promoting a new ride. It's called the Drop of Doom. You fall 415 feet, 90 miles per hour. Do you think the family has a good case here?
[Hostin:] Well, you know, there are always defenses to these kinds of cases. And this is not the first death that has happened at an amusement park, Brooke. And, unfortunately, I don't think it will be the last, but, of course, the amusement park may argue, listen, when you get on a roller coaster, you are assuming the risk, so to speak. You know that it's a dangerous act. They will also probably argue that, when you get that ticket, on the very back of the ticket, there's all these...
[Baldwin:] Teeny-tiny print.
[Hostin:] ... this legalese on the back, and you know what the dangers are involved. I don't think that will hold water in a case like this. I suspect that this is not a case that will go to trial. This is a case that is ripe for settlement. Six Flags doesn't need us to talk about it. I'm sure they don't want us to talk about it. They don't need this kind of publicity. And, so, you know, I do think that the family has a good case here. And I suspect that this is a case that will settle quietly between the family and Six Flags.
[Baldwin:] You mentioned Six Fags doesn't really want us talking. We should mention we reached out to Six Flags to comment on the lawsuit, and they're not commenting. Sunny Hostin, thank you.

[Dr. Tom Frieden, Director, Cdc:] We've established laboratory services throughout the country, so that not all laboratory tests have to come to the specialized laboratory at CDC. In fact, one of those laboratories, in Austin, Texas, identified the first case here. We also have fielded calls from concerned doctors and public health officials throughout the country. We found more than 300 calls, and only one patient, Mr. Duncan, had Ebola, but that's one too many. And we're open to ideas for what we can do to keep Americans as safe as possible, as long as the outbreak is continuing. We also have established emergency response teams from CDC that will go, within hours, to any hospital that has an Ebola case to help them provide effective care, safely. There's a lot of understandable concern about the cases in Dallas. I have one slide, if we can show it, of the contact-tracing activities there, and I think we've provided copies for the members. The two core activities in Dallas are to ensure that there's effective infection control and trace contacts. Here, you see a time line of exactly what has happened in the identification of contacts. We have followed each of the contacts. When any become ill, or if any become ill, we immediately isolate them, so that we can break the chain of transmission. That's how you stop Ebola. I can go through the details when you wish. We also are working to ensure there is effective infection control there, and I can go through the details of that. In sum, CDC works 24-7 to protect Americans. There are no shortcuts. Everyone has to do their part. There are more than 5,000 hospitals in this country, there are more than 2,500 health departments at the local level. We are there to support, we're there with world-class expertise, and we're there to respond to threats so that we can help protect Americans, and we're always open to new ideas. We're always open to data because our bottom line is using the most accurate data and information to inform our actions and protect health. Thank you.
[Rep. Tim Murphy, R-pa., Chairman:] Thank you, Dr. Frieden. Now I'll recognize Dr. Fauci for a five-minute summary.
[Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director, National Institute Of Allergy & Infectious Disease:] Thank you, Chairman Murphy, Ranking Members Degette and also Ranking Member Waxman. You've just heard about the public health aspects of Ebola virus disease from Dr. Frieden. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you this morning for a few minutes on the role of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in research addressing Ebola virus disease. Of note, is that our activities actually started with the tragic events of 911. If I could of 9112001 which were closely followed by the anthrax attacks, which many of the members remember, against the Congress of the United States and the press. It was in that environment that a multifaceted approach towards bioterrorism was actually mounted by the Federal Government, one of which was the research endeavor to develop countermeasures. We soon became very aware that naturally occurring outbreaks of disease are just as much of a terror to the American and world public as a deliberate bioterror. You see on this slide a number of what we call Category A pathogens, from anthrax, botulism, plagues, smallpox, tularaemia. But look at the last bullet, the viral hemorrhagic fevers, including Ebola, Marburg, Balassa and others. The viral hemorrhagic fevers are particularly difficult because they have a high degree of lethality and high infectivity upon contact with body fluids. Therapy is mainly supportive without specific interventions, and we do not have a vaccine. And so, what is the role of the National Institutes of Health? If we could advance the slide? The role of the National Institutes of Health in the research endeavor. As you could see on this slide, we do basic and clinical research. And importantly, we apply and supply resources for researchers in industry and academia to advance product development. The endgame of what we do are diagnostics, therapeutics, and vaccines. I'm sorry, could we get the slide back on the last slide? No, the previous one. I'm very sorry. Could we get it back? There, right there. This is a multi-institutional endeavor. As you can see on this slide, the NIH is responsible for fundamental basic research and early concept development. Something that we did relatively alone, because of the lack of interest on the industrial partners of making interventions. We partnered with BARDA, who you'll hear from shortly, with Dr. Robin Robinson. And then we partnered with industry, as we've done in a moment, as I'll tell you, to ultimately in collaboration with the FDA, to get the approval of products. Next slide. You've heard a lot about therapeutic interventions. I'd just like to spend a moment talking to you about a few of them. First, it's important to realize that they are all experimental. None of them have proven to be effective. So, when you hear about giving a drug that has a positive effect, we do not know at this point, A, is it a positive effect, or, B, is it causing harm? And that's the reason why we need to study these carefully at the same time we rapidly can make them available for the people who need them. The first one on the list is ZMapp. You've heard of it. That was given to Dr. Brantly and Nancy Writebol. It looks very good in animal model. It still needs to be proven in the human. There are others, such as the BioCryst product, which is a nucleoside analog. You've heard about the Tekmira drug, which was developed in support by the Department of Defense, which is also being used, and others that you'll hear about, such as Brincidofovir and Favipiravir. These are just a few of those, again, that will be going into clinical trials and that are actually being used in an experimental way with compassionate use with approval from the FDA in certain individuals. Let me turn to this slide here, which is an important one. Slides regarding a vaccine. We have been working on an Ebola vaccine for a number of years. He did the original studies shown in an animal model to be quite favorable. We are now right at the phase where we are in Phase I trial, that some of you may have heard of, started at the NIH in September the 2nd. A second vaccine was started just a couple of days ago by the U.S. military in collaboration with the NIH. When we finish those Phase I trials, namely asking is it safe and does it induce a response that you would predict would be protective? It's important to make sure it is safe. If those parameters are met, we will advance to a much larger trial in larger numbers of individuals to determine if it is actually effective as well as not having a paradoxical negative deleterious effect. The reason we think this is important is that if we do not control the epidemic with pure public health measures, it is entirely conceivable that we may need a vaccine, and it's important to prove that it is safe and effective. I'd like to close by making an announcement to this committee, because I'm sure you'll hear about it soon in the press. This evening, tonight, we will be admitting to the Clinical Studies Unit, the Special Clinical Studies Unit at the National Institutes Of Health Nina Pham, otherwise known as nurse number one. She will be coming to the National Institutes of Health where we'll be supplying her with the state-of-the-art care in our high-level containment facilities. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
[Murphy:] Thank you, Doctor. I now recognize Dr. Robinson for a five-minute summary of your statement.
[Robin Robinson, Director, Biomedical Advanced Research And Development Authority, Hhs Office Of The Assistant Secretary For Preparedness And Response:] Good afternoon, Chairman Murphy, Chairman Upton, Ranking Members Degette and Waxman, and other distinguished members of this subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today about our efforts by the government on Ebola. I am Dr. Robin Robinson, a former vaccine developer in industry and, for the last 10 years, a public servant, working on pandemic preparedness and many other biothreats. BARDA was created by the Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness Act in 2006. It is the government agency responsible for supporting advanced developments and procurement of novel and innovative medical countermeasures such as vaccines, therapeutic drugs, diagnostics, and medical devices for the entire nation. BARDA exists to address the medical consequences of biothreats and emerging infectious diseases. BARDA has supported medical countermeasure development for man-made threats on a routine basis. Under Project Bioshield, we responded to emerging threats like H1N1 pandemic in 2009 and the Avian Influenza H7N9 outbreak in China last year. Today we are immersed in responding to Ebola, which is simultaneously a biothreat with a material threat determination as issued by the Department of Homeland Security and an emerging infectious disease. As you have said, and my colleagues have said, when it comes to Ebola as a biothreat and emerging infectious disease, the best way to protect our country is to address the current epidemic in Africa, the worst on record. BARDA works with its federal partners to transition the medical countermeasures from early development, as Dr. Fauci said, into advanced development towards ultimate FDA approval. Since 2006 we have built an advanced development pipeline of more than 150 medical countermeasures for chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear threats and pandemic influenza. Seven of these products have been FDA approved in the last two years. And today we are transitioning several promising and maturing Ebola vaccines and care and therapeutic candidates from early development under NIH and DOD support into advanced development, and ensuring that commercial scale manufacturing capacity for these product candidates is available as soon as possible. BARDA, in concert with our federal partners, utilizes public- private partnerships with industry to ensure that we have countermeasures to protect our citizens. Over the past five years, BARDA, with NIH, CDC and FDA, and our industry partners, have built a flexible and rapid responsive infrastructure to develop and manufacture medical countermeasures. As a result of the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act, improved framework for medical countermeasure development has been afforded to federal and industry partners. And last year, we made five new vaccine candidates in record time for the H7 and 9 outbreaks in China. Currently, we're working with a wider array of partners, including both small and large pharmaceutical companies, Canada, the U.K., Western-African countries, the World Health Organizations and others, to make and evaluate the safety and efficacies of these Ebola product candidates. BARDA has established a medical countermeasure infrastructure to assist product developers on a daily basis to respond immediately in a public health emergency. We're using a number of our core service assistance programs. There's the Non-Clinical Studies Network, our Centers for Innovation, Advanced Development of Manufacturing, and our [inaudible] Manufacturing Network to make these products available as soon as possible. Additionally, our staff are on-site at the manufacture, people in-plant, to provide technical assistance and oversight to expedite product availability. Additionally, we're working with CDC and others across the federal government, and internationally, with our modeling efforts to look at the Ebola outbreak as it becomes epidemic, and also what possible impacts, interventions, may occur. BARDA supports large-scale production of medical countermeasures, response measure for public health emergencies like the H1N1 pandemic, and H7 and 9 outbreaks. Today, we are assisting Ebola vaccine and therapeutic manufacturers with scaled-up productions. Specifically, we're supporting the development and manufacture of ZMAT, Monoclonal Antibody Therapy, for clinical studies at one manufacturer, expanding overall manufacture capacity of ZMAT by enlisting the help of other tobacco plant-based manufacturers, and working on alternative Ebola monoclonal antibody candidates to expand production capacity. Pending the outcome of ongoing animal challenge studies, BARDA is prepared to support advanced development of additional promising therapeutic candidates, that Dr. Fauci talked about, to treat Ebola patients. On the vaccine front, BARDA's working with industry partners to scale up manufacturing of three promising Ebola vaccine candidates, one of which we will make an announcement today, from pilot scale to commercial scale, for clinical studies in Africa next year. In addition to BARDA's efforts in the Ebola response, as for supporting the number of other response activities, including supporting health care system preparedness, developing policies and guidance on patient movements, repatriations, standards of care, and clinical guidance, supporting the logistical aspect of deploying U.S. Public Health Service officers to West Africa, an ongoing coordination and communication with national and international communities responding to the threat. Finally, we face significant challenges, as have been discussed, in the coming weeks and months with the Ebola epidemic continuing, and as these medical countermeasures are manufactured and evaluated. But bottom line is that my colleagues here, and our industry partners, will use all of our collective capabilities here and abroad to address today's Ebola epidemic, and to be better prepared for future Ebola outbreaks and bioterrorism events going forward. I want to thank the committee and subcommittee for your generous and continued support over the past decade, and the opportunity to testify. Thank you.
[Murphy:] Thank you, Dr. Robinson. Dr. Borio, you're recognized for five minutes.
[Luciana Borio, Assistant Commissioner For Counterterrorism Policy, Food And Drug Administration:] Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairman Murphy...
[Murphy:] If you'd just please pull the microphone as close to you as possible. Thank you.
[Borio:] Good afternoon, Chairman Murphy, Ranking Member Degette, and members of the subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss FDA's actions to respond to the Ebola epidemic, a tragic global event. My colleagues and I at the FDA are determined to do all we can to help end it as quickly as possible. The desire and need for safe and effective vaccines and treatment is overwhelming. FDA's taken extraordinary steps to be proactive and flexible. We're leveraging our authorities and working diligently to expedite the development, manufacturing and availability of safe and effective medical products for Ebola. We're providing FDA's unique, scientific and regulatory advice to companies to guide their submissions. We're reviewing data as it is received. These actions help advance the development and investigation of products as quickly as possible. And for example, in the case of the two vaccines that Dr. Fauci mentioned, FDA took only a few days to review the applications, and to allow the studies to proceed. As a result, the vaccine candidate being co-developed by the NIAID and GlaxoSmithKline began phase-one clinical testing on September 2nd. And the vaccine candidate being developed by NewLink Genetics began similar clinical testing on October 13th. We're also partnering with the U.S. government agencies that support medical product development, including NIAID, BARDA, and the Department of Defense. Because of FDA's longstanding collaboration with the DOD, FDA was able to authorize the use of the Ebola diagnostic test under our emergency authorization within 24 hours of request. We authorized the use of two additional diagnostic tests developed by the CDC. And these tests, of course, are essential for an effective public health response. In addition, we're supporting the World Health Organization. Our scientists are providing technical advice to the WHO as it works to assess the role of convalescent plasma in treating patients with Ebola. I recently participated in a consultation focused on Ebola vaccines in Geneva, which included dozens of experts from around the world, as well as from affected and neighboring countries in West Africa. Participants agreed that promising investigation of vaccines must be evaluated in scientifically-valid clinical trials, and in the most urgent manner. FDA's working closely with our government colleagues and the vaccine developers to support this goal. It is important to note, though, that while we all want access to immediate therapies to cure or prevent Ebola, the scientific fact is that these investigational products are in the earliest stages of development. There is tremendous hope that some of these products will help patients, but it is also possible some may hurt patients, and others may have little or no effect. Therefore, access to investigational products should be through clinical trials when possible. They allow us to learn about product safety and efficacy, and they can provide an equitable means for access. FDA's working with our NIH colleagues to develop a flexible, innovative, clinical-trial protocol to allow companies and clinicians to evaluate multiple investigational Ebola products under a common protocol. The goal is to ensure accrual of interpretable data and generate actionable results in the most expeditious manner. It is important for the global community to know the risks and benefits of these products as soon a possible. Until such trials are established, we'll continue to enable access to these products when available, and requested by clinicians. We have mechanisms, such as compassionate use, which allow access to investigational products outside of clinical trials, when we assess that the expected benefits outweigh the potential risks for the patient. I can tell you that every Ebola patient in the U.S. has been treated with at least one investigational product. Because FDA Ebola is such a serious and often rapidly-fatal disease, FDA has approved such requests within a matter of a few hours, and oftentimes in less than one hour. There are more than 250 FDA staff involved in this response. And without exception, everyone has been proactive, thoughtful, and adaptive to the complex range of issues that have emerged. We are fully committed to sustaining our deep engagement and aggressive activities that support a robust response to the Ebola epidemic. Thank you, and I'll take your questions later.
[Murphy:] Thank you, Dr. Borio. Mr. Wagner, you're recognized for five minutes.
[John Wagner, Acting Assistant Commissioner, Customs And Border Protection's Office Of Field Operations:] Thank you, Chairman Murphy, Ranking Member Degette, and distinguished members of the subcommittee, for the opportunity to discuss the efforts of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, in deterring the spread of Ebola by means of international travel. Each day, about 1 million travelers arrive in the United States. About 280,000 of them arrive at our international airports. CBP is responsible for securing our nation's borders, while facilitating the flow of legitimate international travel and trade that is so vital to our nation's economy. Within this broad responsibility, our priority mission remains to prevent terrorists and terrorist weapons from entering the United States. However, we also play an important role in limiting the introduction, transmission and spread of serious communicable diseases from foreign countries. We've had this role for over 100 years, and in coordination with CDC, we've had modern protocols in place for well over a decade that have guided response to a variety of significant health threats. CBP officers at all ports of entry assess each traveler for overt signs of illness. In response to the recent Ebola virus outbreak in West Africa, CBP, in close collaboration with CDC, is working to ensure that front-line officers are provided the information, training and equipment needed to identify and respond to international travelers who may pose a threat to public health. All CBP officers are provided guidance and training on identifying and addressing travelers with any potential illness, including communicable diseases, such as the Ebola virus. CBP officer training includes CDC public health training, which teaches officers to identify through visual observation and questioning, the overt symptoms and characteristics of ill travelers. CBP also provides operational training and guidance on how to respond to travelers with potential illness, including referring individuals who display signs of illness to CDC quarantine officers for secondary screening, as well as training on assisting CDC with implementation of its isolation and quarantine protocols. Additionally, CBP provides training for its front-line personnel by covering key elements of CBP's blood-borne pathogens exposure control plan, protections from exposure, use of personal protective equipment, other preventive measures and procedures to follow in a potential exposure incident. We are committed to ensuring our field personnel have the most accurate updated information regarding this virus. Since the outbreak began, CBP field personnel have been provided a steady stream of guidance, starting with initial information on the current outbreak at the beginning of April this year with numerous and regular updates since then. Information sharing is critical, and CBP continues to engage with health and medical authorities. Since January of 2011, CDC's division of global migration and quarantine has stationed a liaison officer at our national targeting center to provide subject matter expertise and facilitate requests for information between the two organizations. Starting October 1st this year, CBP began providing Ebola information notices to travelers entering the United States from Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leon. This tear sheet provides the traveler information and instruction should he or she have a concern of possible infection. In addition to visually screening all passengers for overt signs of illness, starting October 11th, CBP and CDC began enhanced screening of travelers from the three affected countries entering at JFK Airport. And today, we expanded these enhanced efforts at Dulles, Chicago O'Hare, Atlanta, and Newark. Approximately 94 percent of travelers from the affected countries enter the United States through these five airports. In coordination with CDC, these targeted travelers are asked to complete a CDC questionnaire, provide contact information, and have their temperature checked. Based on these enhanced screening efforts, CDC quarantine officers will make a public health assessment. Since the additional measures went into effect at JFK, CBP has conducted enhanced screening on 155 travelers who are identified in advance as being known to have traveled through one of these three affected countries. Additional 13 travelers were identified by CBP officers as needing additional screening during the course of our standard interview process that's applied at all ports of entry. A total of eight of these travelers have been sent to tertiary screening by CDC, and it'important to note that so far all passengers were examined and released. While CBP officers receive training and illness recognition and response, if they identify an individual believed to be ill, CBP will isolate the traveler from the public in a designated area and contact the local CDC quarantine officer, along with local public health authorities to help with further medical assessment. CBP officers are trained to employ universal precautions, an infection control approach developed by CDC, when they encounter individuals with overt symptoms of illness or contaminated items in examinations of baggage and cargo. When necessary CBP personnel will take the appropriate safety measures based on the level of potential exposure. These procedures designed to minimize risk to our officers and to the public have been utilized collaboratively by both agencies on a number of occasions with positive results. CBP will continue to monitor the Ebola outbreak, provide timely information and guidance to our field personnel, work closely with our inter-agency partners to develop or adopt measures as needed to deter the spread of Ebola in the United States. So thank you for the opportunity to testify today and the attention you're giving to this very important issue. I'll be happy to answer any of your questions.
[Murphy:] Thank you. Now we're gonna recognize Dr. Daniel Varga, chief clinical officer from joining us from Texas on video conference. Dr. Varga.
[Daniel Varga, Chief Clinical Officer And Senior Vice President, Texas Health Resources:] Good afternoon, Chairman Murphy, Vice Chair Burgess, Ranking Member Degette, and members of the committee. My name is Dr. Daniel Varga. I'm the chief clinical officer of and senior executive vice president for Texas Health Resources. I'm board certified in internal medicine and have more than 24 years of combined experience in patient practice medical education and health care administration. I'm truly sorry that I could not be with you in person today, and I deeply appreciate the committee's understanding of our situation and how important it is for me to be here in Dallas during this very challenging and sensitive time. Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas is one of 13 wholly- owned acute-care hospitals in the Texas health [inaudible] system. We are an 898 bed hospital treating some of the most complicated cases in north Texas in terms of excuse me in north Texas. Texas Health Dallas is recognized as a Magnet-designated facility for excellence in nursing services by the American Nurses Credentialing Center, the nation's leading nursing credentialing program. Texas Health Resources is one of the largest state-based centers, not-for-profit health systems in the U.S. and the largest in north Texas in terms of patients served. Our mission is to improve the health of the people in the communities we serve, and we care for all patients regardless of their ability to pay. We serve diverse communities, and as such, we provide one standard of care for all, regardless of race or country of origin. As the first hospital in the country to both diagnose and treat a patient with Ebola, we are committed to using our experience to help other hospitals and health care providers protect public health against this insidious virus. It is hard for me to put into words how we felt when our patient Thomas Eric Duncan lost his struggle with Ebola on October 8th. It was devastating to the nurses, doctors and team who tried so hard to save his life. And we keep his family in our thoughts and prayers. Unfortunately, in our initial treatment of Mr. Duncan, and despite our best intentions and a highly skilled medical team, we made mistakes. We did not correctly diagnose his symptoms as those of Ebola, and we are deeply sorry. Also, in our effort communicate to the public quickly and transparently, we inadvertently provided some information that was inaccurate and had to be corrected. No doubt, that was unsettling to a community that was already concerned and confused, and we have learned from that experience, as well. Last weekend, Nurse Nina Pham, a member of our hospital family, who courageously cared for Mr. Duncan, was also diagnosed with Ebola. Our team is doing everything possible to help her win that fight. And on Tuesday, her condition was upgraded to good. And, as Dr. Fauci mentioned earlier, Nina's care continues to evolve. I can tell you that the prayers of the entire Texas health system are with her. Yesterday, as has been noted, we identified a second caregiver with with Ebola. And I can also tell you that our thoughts and prayers remain with Amber, as well. A lot is being said about what may or may not have occurred to cause Nina and Amber to contract Ebola. We know that they are both extremely skilled nurses, and were using full protective measures under the CDC protocols, so we don't yet know precisely how or when they were infected. But it's clear there was an exposure somewhere, sometime. And we are poring over records and observations and doing all we can to find the answers. You've asked about the sequence of events with regard to our preparedness for Ebola and our treatment of Mr. Duncan. Key events from our preparation timeline are attached to our submitted statement, but here's a brief overview. As the Ebola epidemic in Africa worsened over the summer, Texas Health hospitals and facilities began educating our physicians, nurses and other staff on the symptoms and risk factors associated with the virus. On July 28th, an infection prevention nurse specialist at Texas Health received the first Centers for Disease Control and Prevention health advisory about Ebola virus disease, and began sharing it with other Texas Health personnel. The Health Care Advisory encouraged all health care providers in the U.S. to consider EVD in the diagnose of febrile illness in other words, a fever in persons who had recently traveled to affected countries. The CDC Advisory was also sent to all directors of our emergency departments, and signage was also posted in the E.D.'s. On August first, Texas Health leaders, including all regional and hospital leaders, and the E.D. leaders across our system, received an e-mail directing that all hospitals have a hospital epidemiologic emergency policy in place to address how to care for patients with Ebola-like symptoms. The e-mail also drew attention to the fact that our electronic health record documentation in emergency departments included a question about travel history to be completed on every patient. Attachments to the e-mail included a draft THR Epidemiologic emergencies policy that specifically addressed EVD. A CDC-based poster, to be posted in the E.D., and the CDC advisory from 728. The August 1 CDC guidelines and evaluation of U.S. patients suspected of having Ebola [inaudible] disease was distributed to staff, including physicians, nurses and other frontline caregivers on August 1st and August 4th. Over the last two months, the Dallas County Health and Human Services Department communicated with us frequently as plans and preparatory work were put in place for a possible case of Ebola. We have also provided the August 27th Dallas County Health Department Algorithm and screening questionnaire. At 10:30 p.m., on September 25th, Mr. Duncan presented to Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas Emergency Department with a fever of 100.1. Abdominal pain, dizziness, nausea and headache symptoms that could be associated with many other illnesses. He was examined and underwent numerous tests over a period of four hours. During his time in the E.D., his temperature spiked to 103 degrees Fahrenheit. It later dropped to 101.2. He was discharged early on the morning of September 26th and we had provided a timeline on the notable events of Mr. Duncan's initial emergency department visit. On September 28th, Mr. Duncan was transported to the hospital by ambulance. Once he arrived at the hospital, he met several of the criteria of the Ebola algorithm. At that time

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[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I mean, the expectation's huge, certainly, by those following the story and following it very, very closely. But here's what we expect to happen tomorrow morning. First thing 9:00 is when everyone goes in to the courtroom and even though this trial officially began with jury selection, it is the opening statements that in the minds of many people signals the start of the real trial here. The first thing, though, people will be listening for, is there any other last-minute motions, this is the final moment before it all really begins where the defense or the prosecution could raise an issue to the judge and say, "Wait a minute, judge. Before we start, there's this." Now assuming there isn't anything like that, then they will go in to the opening statements and then, of course, the state will go first and they'll make their presentation on why they believe it was George Zimmerman who profiled Trayvon Martin as he was walking through the neighborhood and then eventually confronted, shot and killed him. That's why he was charged with second degree murder. The defense will go next and we're told that it's going to be Don West that makes the opening statement on the part of the defense. He's the co-counsel in this case in addition to Mark O'Mara. Dan West is a really smart guy and that's not demeaning anybody else in that court room but he's very cerebral. So you could probably expect that his opening statement, very thoughtful, very careful. No drama. No theatrics. It's going to be a straight forward presentation of why they say George Zimmerman acted in self defense, Fred?
[Whitfield:] And have the attorney revealed anything to you prior to, you know, tomorrow about how they may direct their case to the jury made up of six women?
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[Cuomo:] All right. Of all the disturbing aspects of what happened in South Carolina, what we see in the video now, the one stand-out is when the moment that Officer Slager is seen dropping something near Scott's body, something that looks like a Taser. And it leads to the obvious question of whether or not the officer was trying to set up the situation, for explanation afterwards. Let's bring in Miller Shealy, a professor at the Charleston School of Law. He's also a former assistant United States attorney for the Department of Justice. Professor, thank you very much for joining us this morning. Let's go through the big points of what we see from the video that the young man took and the dash cam video. The stop itself anything unusual about it, other than when Walter Scott flees?
[Miller W. Shealy, Professor, Charleston School Of Law:] No. Actually that looks like a petty standard traffic stop. And I saw nothing unusual about it. In fact, as you watch the film of the dash cam on the police car, you don't see anything really unusual until suddenly, Mr. Scott seems to bolt from the car for some reason.
[Cuomo:] Now, he bolts, the warrant was for child support. But still, judging that situation, was the officer right to pursue?
[Shealy:] I think under those circumstances, when you have a car stopped, lawfully stopped, I think the officers can pursue, it's very odd during a traffic stop like this, when there's certainly no evidence the officer thought anything else was happening other than routine traffic stop for the driver especially with a passenger in the car, to suddenly exit the car and run away for apparently no reason.
[Cuomo:] Right. So, now, he catches
[Shealy:] That's a good reason to at least
[Cuomo:] He catches up to him at some point and there's an altercation. Now, there's a very important fact that's being neglected that we still don't really understand. The officer says he grabbed for my Taser. I was afraid I had to shoot a shot. Now, that would mean that he was afraid of the Taser. He had a reasonable fear. That would mean that it had to happen that the Taser was grabbed before he used it on Mr. Scott. Isn't that true?
[Shealy:] Yes. Unfortunately, we don't have that on film. Squarely, that seems to occur. But obviously at the time that Mr. Scott exits the vehicle and flees, and before the shooting, and I understand that the individual that took this terrible video, has said, has indicated to law enforcement and others, that there was a fight, there was a scuffle.
[Cuomo:] Yes.
[Shealy:] So, you know, it often happens, we don't know whether they were fighting over his gun, his Taser or just fighting and the officer was trying to subdue him. We really don't know that.
[Cuomo:] He is saying on the tape, Taser, Taser. When an officer is saying Taser, Taser, is that an indication that he's using the Taser? Is that something you would say in the line of using one?
[Shealy:] You might, yes. But, you know, that's something we don't really know in terms of exactly what was going on.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Shealy:] Was the officer trying to Tase him? Or was he shouting out, trying to get other officers to come and help because he was losing control of the Taser or thought he might.
[Cuomo:] Because one thing is for sure
[Shealy:] We just don't know that.
[Cuomo:] One thing is for sure, once he used the Taser, once Officer Slager used the Taser on Walter Scott, it would not be reasonable for him to fear the Taser being used on him anymore, because it had already been discharged and that's why the timing is important. That takes us to what happened after the shooting. The shooting is horrible. It needs no expert analysis. However, if he does drop that Taser, near the body, afterwards, can it be anything else than an attempt to set up the situation to his own advantage?
[Shealy:] It's really hard to explain it in a way that's good for the officer, I'll put it like that. It's tampering with the scene of the crime. It's hard to imagine why an officer would do something like that. It's hard to imagine a good reason.
[Cuomo:] Do you believe the other officers should be coming under scrutiny? The first one who runs in apparently, an African-American officer runs in first, puts on gloves, he doesn't do CPR. Did he see the shooting? Did he see what was dropped there? The other officers who come subsequently, whose reports don't line up with what they may have said afterwards, should all of that still be investigated thoroughly, even though the obvious is what Slager did?
[Shealy:] I think so and I think it will be. I think a lot of people, state and local are going to be looking excuse me, state and federal are going to be looking into this and asking what happened and who saw what and why they reported things the way that they did. So, I don't see any evidence that other officers committed a crime thus far. But certainly there's a question perhaps, about why certain things were reported the way they were, or not reported in the manner that occurred.
[Cuomo:] Absolutely. Professor, that raises the question of who should be doing these investigations in the first place. That's a conversation for another day. Appreciate very much, Miller Shealy, being with us this morning. Alisyn?
[Camerota:] Well, the game of will she, won't she, Chris, may soon be over. Hillary Clinton may finally make her 2016 presidential run official. But when and how she plans to announce is unusual. We'll examine it.

[Feyerick:] We're following all the new developments for you on the crisis in Ukraine. President Obama being briefed today by his national security team. He's also expected to call U.S. allies. In Ukraine, the country's newly appointed navy chief has been accused of treason. Today he declared his loyalty to the pro-Russian leaders of Crimea and said that he's not going to take orders from capital city, Kiev, that's now pro-western. That comes just one day after he was appointed to the job by those people in Kiev. Well, NATO ambassadors have been meeting today on the crisis. NATO secretary-general said that Russia's actions are threatening peace and security in all of Europe. Today U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry described Russia's actions sending troops into the peninsula as nothing more than just an invasion. That's called point-blank. Ukraine calling it a declaration of war. It's worth mentioning that all of this is happening while athletes from around the world prepare for Paralympics in Sochi, Russia. Those Paralympics, which include U.S., starting on Friday. CNN has the story covered from every angle, correspondent, Phil Black is live in Moscow, senior international correspondent, Ben Wedeman, is live in the city of Simferopol in the Crimea region of Ukraine. We are going to go first to Phil Black in Moscow. Phil, what is the situation there? What are you hearing from the kremlin?
[Phil Black, Cnn Correspondent:] The latest announcement from the Kremlin is confirmation that President Putin spoke with Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel about the situation in Ukraine. These are two world leaders that have famously had some testy conversations in the past. We don't know the German side of this conversation, but according to the Kremlin, President Putin made the point that he believes that Russian citizens, Russian speaking Ukrainians are under threat from ultranationalists in the country. He believes given the extraordinary situation that Russia's actions so far are entirely appropriate. Meanwhile here in Moscow, we've seen a big gesture of support for the president's actions in getting involved militarily in Kiev, some 20,000 people on the streets rallying in support of the Russian government and in support they say of their Islamic brothers across the border. In Ukraine, a much smaller protest, about 50 people or so who oppose the Russian policy at the moment was broken up by police. They were arrested and detained for violating public rules Deb.
[Feyerick:] What was incredible is that the deposed president, there's a warrant out for his arrest now. His estimated net worth is $12 billion and he has no legitimate business except being a politician. He's now in Russia. Is there anything to the claim that in fact he remains the legitimate ruler? Again, you've got two governments, one in Kiev, one in Crimea. Is there any legitimate claim that in fact he's still the president of Ukraine?
[Black:] Well, I think the Russian view of what took place in Kiev is that a democratically elected president and government was deposed. That he believed that right wing nationalists, the mainstream opposition and even European governments, even the United States, conspired together to arrange this overthrow of the democratically elected president. That said, Russia has given shelter to former President Viktor Yanukovych. He is in Russia. That he has personal protection here, but there has been no sign from the Russian government that they are prepared to back him up, to support him, to try and reinstall him as president or support him in his claim that he is the one true elected leader of Ukraine.
[Feyerick:] And so interesting because the paralympics are taking place in Sochi starting Friday. So we've got a lot of athletes who were in that region. Just quickly, any indication that they are pulling out?
[Black:] Nothing from the athletes so far, but the British government has indicated, the British prime minister, David Cameron, said he's not comfortable with the idea of British government ministers traveling to Sochi for the Paralympics. The Paralympics obviously not as prestigious internationally as the Olympics were for Vladimir Putin. But if this becomes a more widespread snub of this event, that's not something he's going to appreciate. It could be a beginning of a more widespread sense of isolation for Russia. We already know United States and Britain again have already said that they are pull out of the setup talks in Sochi leading up to what is supposed to be the G-8 Summit of world leaders in Sochi in June.
[Feyerick:] All right, Phil Black for us there in Moscow, thank you so much. We're going to turn now to Ukraine, get a view from Crimea, Ben Wedeman is there in the city of Simferopol. Ben, earlier, the Ukraine leadership accused Russia of declaring war. You're there. You saw some things that were happening. Tell us what you experienced.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] What we did today was we went down to a base about 20 kilometers south of the capital of Crimea. It's the base of the 36th brigade of the Ukrainian army. What we saw there were hundreds of armed men in dark green camouflage uniform surrounding this base of the 36th brigade. Of course they don't have any insignia. Their vehicles don't have license plates. You speak to anybody on the spot there and they will tell you these are Russian troops. The Russian troops are surrounding this base, where we saw Ukrainian soldiers inside the gates, they are vowing not to give up. Not to surrender to the forces on the outside. In the late afternoon we saw as many as 10 large military-colored trucks arriving there bringing more reinforcements to the forces on the outside. We assume, of course, they are Russian forces. This is just one of three standoffs taking place outside Ukrainian military installations involving these soldiers we presume are Russian. Now, we also saw there were civilians there. Some older men bringing Russian flags to voice their support for what we assume are Russian forces saying that Crimea should be a part of Russia. There were also Ukrainians there, women singing and praying for the Ukrainian soldiers inside the base. One woman saying we have sons the same age in the military, and we're very concerned for them. But there was not any violence. There's not even any violence among the crowd outside. But certainly a good deal of attention Deborah.
[Feyerick:] Absolutely. All right, Ben Wedeman, we're going to be checking in with you a little later on in the broadcast. So much we want to know, including whether Ukraine will pull the lease it now gives to Russia to actually be at that naval base. Well, the situation in Ukraine has Washington's undivided attention. But what options, if any, does the administration have. We're going to explore the tough decisions it is facing and that lie ahead.

[Kristie Lu Stout:] And welcome to NEWS STREAM where news and technology meet. Now Syria asks the UN to prevent any aggression against it as world leaders decide on what action to take. A sharp spike in radiation levels has been detected in parts of Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant. And huge crowds in Spain meet Real Madrid's latest multi-million dollar star Gareth Bale. Now Syria's president has asked the United Nations to prevent aggression against his country, but Washington has already pressed the pause button on U.S. military intervention. President Barack Obama says a strike on Syria is necessary, but he wants approval from congress and that vote is expected next week. But no matter how it goes, Mr. Obama could still decide to go ahead with military action. Now two influential Republicans are to visit the White House to discuss Syria with President Obama. Administration officials were calling other lawmakers to make the case for military action. Now Congress is currently on a break, but some members have returned to Washington. Dana Bash surveys the mood on Capitol Hill.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Correponsdent:] One after another lawmakers emerged from a classified briefing intended to convince them to authorize force in Syria supremely unconvinced. Republicans
[Rep. Michael Burgess , Texas:] Certainly the mood in the district that I represent is, do not do this, and I honestly didn't hear anything that told me I thought to have a different position.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm a no based on the information that I have now.
[Bash:] And many of the president's fellow Democrats.
[Rep. Jim Himes , Connecticut:] I'm still very skeptical about the president's proposal. It's not clear to me that we know what the results of this attack would be meaning will it be effective?
[Bash:] If a vote were taken today, would be a yes or no?
[Unidentified Male:] I honestly cannot say.
[Bash:] Democrat Janice Hahn took the red eye from California seeking answers that left with lots of questions.
[Rep. Janice Hahn , California:] We want there to be some consequences. What is that? Is that just going to war? Is that bombing? Is that killing more people? I'm not there yet. I would not vote for it today
[Bash:] To be short, the president does have some support. [on camera]: Where are you right now, are you a yes or a no?
[Unidentified Male:] I'm a yes.
[Bash:] But to get enough yes to pass, one thing is clear. This version of authorization the White House sent Congress Saturday night must be changed.
[Sen. Roy Blunt , Missouri:] The biggest single concern among the members may very well have been a very broad request for authority with a supposedly very narrow intent to do anything.
[Bash:] That concern is bipartisan. Lawmakers say they want to limit the authority they give to the president, specify a time frame for military strikes that make crystal clear no boots on the ground.
[Unidentified Male:] Blank checks are even partial blank checks.
[Bash:] And this is a blank check.
[Unidentified Male:] Well, this is a partial blank check the way it's currently draft.
[Stout:] Dana Bash reporting there. And Russia also remains unconvinced. Let's bring in Phil Black from Moscow. And Phil, how is Moscow reacting, in particular, to the evidence presented by the U.S. of the reported chemical attack?
[Phil Black, Cnn International Correspondent:] The Russian position, Kristie, is they don't think there is enough evidence to implicate the Syrian government in using chemical weapons. Today, the foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says he's seen information provided by the United States, but it was short on detail. They asked for more information, more details and were told that's a secret, the sources are secret, so therefore that's not possible. So a great deal of disbelief still from the Russian government. Sergei Lavrov speaking today made comparisons between what they're hearing now and the situation 10 years ago when the United States was arguing to go to war in Iraq. And he spoke about how this is part of an ongoing double standard when it comes to U.S. and western policy in the region. Take a look at what he said today.
[Sergei Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister:] We can see the double standards. There's a personalized moment when distaste for some dictators leads to the necessity to topple them, but not some other dictators who are allies of our western partners.
[Black:] So while the United States and its allies claims there is conclusive proof implicating the Syrian government, the Russian position is still that actually there's a lot of evidence and logic that suggests the Syrian opposition was responsible for using chemical weapons on this occasion. And the Russian theory goes that the opposition have used chemical weapons against the [inaudible] as part of a plan to manipulate international opinion and trigger some form of foreign intervention D Kristie.
[Stout:] Now, in the United States President Obama is trying to bring lawmakers on side to agree to take military action against Syria. If the U.S. decides to go ahead with that, how is Russia prepared to respond?
[Black:] There's not a lot Russia can do. It's already said that it will not get involved militarily, so that line will not be crossed. Russia says that it will simply continue to try and argue in favor of applying international law. Russia believes that any sort of action that is taken without a mandate from the UN security council will be illegal. Russia believes that the only way to solve this crisis is diplomatically. So before all of this escalated because of the alleged use of chemical weapons, Russia and the United States were working together on bringing together some sort of big, international peace conference involving all parties, no preconditions in the hope of settling this around the table. Russia says it will continue to try and achieve that, but it believes that if military action is taken with the intention of punishing Assad for using chemical weapons or aiming to deter him from using them again in the future, he still thinks that will be enough to delay any chance of a peace process for a long time, perhaps indefinitely, because the Russian minister Sergei Lavrov today said that should that happen it will remove all incentive from the opposition to sit down at a table and talk. He believes they want to push for an outright military win. And that is why they are very keen to see some form of international intervention in Syria Kristie.
[Stout:] All right, Phil Black reporting live for us from Moscow, thank you. Now Russia is not the only country that has blocked the UN security council from action against Syria. China has as well. But Beijing says it supports the UN's chemical weapons investigation. Now China's foreign ministry spokesman says that the international community must wait for those results.
[Hong Lei, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman:] We are gravely concerned that some countries may take unilateral military actions. We believe any action taken by the international community should abide by the purpose and principles of the UN charter as well as basic norms governing international relations.
[Stout:] OK. Now NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, he is giving his monthly briefing in Brussels right now. We expect him to address the situation in Syria. Let's bring in the live video feed and let's listen in.
[Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Nato Secretary-general:] ...of individuals allies as they consider the way ahead. Make no mistake, NATO is an alliance of democracies and our democracy does not make us weaker, on the contrary it is the essential source of our strengths. But as the situation in Syria demonstrates, we continue to face significant security challenges and it is vital that we are prepared to meet them.
[Stout:] OK, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the NATO chief speaking there live, monthly briefing in Brussels. Earlier on, he condemned the reported chemical attack in Syria. We're still awaiting additional word from the NATO chief on the situation there. On Friday, he said that the alliance had no plans for military action. If there is a change to that, we'll bring that to you right here on NEWS STREAM, but we will continue to monitor that live press event underway in Brussels for you. Now meanwhile, the Arab League says that the international community must do more. Now the senior international correspondent for us Nic Robertson, he joins us now live from Amman, Jordan. And Nic, the Arab League says that action should be taken against Syria. But what action? And what is it prepared to do?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, that's the interesting thing from looking at the resolution from the Arab League in Cairo in Sunday. They don't specify exactly what, but implicit in this resolution, according to diplomats I talked to who have been close to the process, they say there is the implicit support for U.S. strikes here. Saudi Arabia was leading the way trying to get a strong a resolution as possible from the Arab League. It contains three parts. It contains condemnation of the attack, attribution, blaming Bashar al-Assad's regime for the attack, and then that calls, as you say, for the international community to do something. The Saudi foreign minister said Syria's crossed the line, we cannot continue to watch what is happening there. But why has the Arab League stopped short of explicit support for strikes? Well, the Arab street, if you will, is very much opposed to any kind of western intervention in any Arab nation. And certainly there's an understanding on the Arab street as well that what Bashar al-Assad is doing is wrong and it's the balance of these two things that diplomats I've talked to here say is difficult for the Arab League. But what they've tried to do really under the direction of Saudi Arabia is, if you will, give a strong political signal to Barack Obama, to the U.S. congress, to the French while they debate this issue as well about continuing forward on the track of taking actions, despite the fact the UN is not going to clear that path.
[Stout:] Now they Jordan, where you're reporting from, is a very key U.S. ally in the region. What is its stance on any U.S. led action against Syria?
[Robertson:] Well, right now its position is it's not going to be used as a launching pad. The government here has said that they want to see a diplomatic solution. But it's very clear witness there both at the Arab League and the work they've been doing behind the scenes to bring about a strong as statement as possible is that they do believe strikes are necessary. There is concern, very big concern that the security and stability of Jordan is at stake, not just with the strikes, but there could be potentially a backlash, although they play that down. But the concern that the longer this goes on in Syria, the stronger groups like al-Nusra?
[Stout:] OK. Our apologies for that technical glitch just then, but Nic Robertson just then reporting live from Amman, Jordan. Now you could find more regional reaction right here on our website. This is all part of our complete coverage of the Syrian crisis. Among other things, there's also this piece by CNN's security analyst Peter Bergen. And in it he writes, quote, in going to congress for the Syria authorization, we see not only the former constitutional law processor and pragmatist in Obama, but also the calculated risk taker. You can read the rest at CNN.com. Now you're watching NEWS STREAM. And coming up next, dozens injured after a tornado rips through parts of eastern Japan. We'll go live to the world weather center for more details. Also, the ousted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy, he will stand trial. We'll check in with our correspondent in Cairo. And later, Real Madrid confirmed signing Gareth Bale a reported recordbreaking deal.

[Baldwin:] The tough task of finding a jury in the Chris Kyle murder trial is underway right now in a Texas courtroom. Kyle, profiled in the blockbuster film, "American Sniper," you know him from that or his best-selling book of the same name, Kyle and a friend were shot and killed two years ago at a firing range in Texas. A fellow veteran is now charged with the murders. Former Marine Eddie Ray Routh has confessed to the crime. Chris Kyle is so big in Texas, his memorial service was held in a stadium where the Dallas Cowboys play. CNN's Ed Lavandera is following this case for us. Ed.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Brooke, the process of picking a jury in the murder trial of Eddie Ray Routh, the man accused of killing Chris Kyle and his friend, Chad Littlefield, continues in the small town of Stephenville, Texas, today. This is a process that started late last week and will continue the rest of the day today and expected to go well into tomorrow. We're told to expect opening statements to begin on Wednesday morning. And Eddie Ray Routh's attorney says that he will likely plead not guilty by reason of insanity. So you can expect a great deal of testimony focusing on the mental issues and the mental health issues that Eddie Ray Routh struggled with in the years leading up to the murders of Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. So all of that a lot of that testimony will play center stage. So it's been a very intense effort to pick this jury. They need to pick 12 people plus two alternates. And the judge in this case started interviewing potential jurors late last week, and to date, attorneys and prosecutors will get their chance to begin interviewing these prospective jurors. One of the thing that Eddie Ray Routh's attorneys tried to do was to get this trial, this murder trial delayed because of the intense publicity surrounding the "American Sniper" film, as well as the governor of Texas declaring one day last week as Chris Kyle Day, but the judge says that he will not delay the trial, that it is scheduled to move ahead, starting very likely on Wednesday. Brooke.
[Baldwin:] All right, Eddie Ed Lavandera in Dallas. By the way, tonight at 9:00, "American Sniper" is now the highest grossing U.S. war movie of all time. But not all the drama is playing out on the big screen. Go inside the controversy and the story's incredible real-life twists and turns. "Blockbuster: The Story of American Sniper," airing tonight, 9:00 Eastern and Pacific, right here on CNN. Now to one of my favorite cities that's covered in snow over and over, Boston, where another winter storm is punishing the city. Right now Boston is getting hit by the third heavy snowstorm in as many weeks. New snow totals just in from the National Weather Service and so far this season for Boston, are you ready for this, 73.9 inches. This is now, officially, the tenth all-time snowiest winter in the city with, keep in mind, weeks and weeks more of winter to come. And, yes, the city snow removal budget is already shot. CNN's Rosa Flores is braving the elements for us in Boston. And, Rosa, first, let me just ask you, with all of the snow on top of the other snow and the other snow, I'm worried about the roofs, people's homes, their roofs collapsing.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] You know, Brooke, it's definitely a big issue. And all you have to do is look around me to know that it will be an issue. This snow has to go somewhere, right? Now, I want to give you a brief demonstration because this is what some of the folks are dealing with. I'm going to measure one of these snowbanks just so you can get an idea. Now, look, take a look here.
[Baldwin:] My goodness.
[Flores:] It's at about 42 inches. But, you know, sometimes people say, oh, Rosa, these are just snow drifts. Blah, blah, blah. No, Brooke just mentioned that the National Weather Service saying that for this season, 73 inches of snow for Boston. That's a lot of snow. And it is causing issues on roofs. There's already been three partial roof collapses. Now, I want to show you some video, take a look at your screen, because we actually went on a roof, with a crew, that was working to clear a roof. Now, here's what we learned. So the process is very tedious. These workers have to work very slowly because it's very dangerous. They hook a ladder to the roof. Now, the workers have a vest, with a harness, that hooks to that safety ladder. So you have your crew go up in a safe manner. How do you start bringing down the snow? And how much has been accumulating from your experience so far?
[Bob Mackerron, Owner Of Recon Roofing:] We've been taking up to four feet of snow, in some cases six foot with a snowdrift. And we start at the top, we work our way down.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] The Royal Caribbean "Explorer of the Seas" cut short its voyage because of a stomach bug. Nearly 700 passengers, crew members got pretty sick. Senior medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, is in Bayonne, New Jersey, where the ship has accelerated its return. Elizabeth, tell our viewers what happened here.
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Right. What's going on now is that the ship is now returning to New Jersey. It's returning several days earlier than expected because more than 600 people have become ill. So, we're talking I hate to get graphic, Wolf, but I was just on the phone with a passenger and she said people were walking around, vomiting, walking around with vomit and diarrhea on their pajamas. She said it's just been a nightmare. Of course, people who were sick were told to stay in their cabins. The doctors came to them. They were given food and drink to stay hydrated. This passenger I talked to said she's so happy to be home. She is a little worried all these passengers are going to get off the ship and go to hotels and, perhaps, infect people there. We haven't gotten word from the CDC yet on how they plan on preventing that from happening Wolf?
[Blitzer:] We were told by the CDC about 3,000 passengers, 1100 crew members on board, 629 passengers and 54 crew workers got sick. And it sounds like gastroenteritis that this virus created. Is that what they're suggesting?
[Cohen:] Right. There's no question that it's a form of gastroenteritis, Wolf. The big question is, what caused it? There's actually been some delay in answering that question. Some samples were sent from the ship on Sunday. They were supposed to reach the CDC on Monday but, well, that hasn't happened yet. They're still not there. Part of it was a problem with the shipping. There were paperwork issues. Part of it was that the terrible weather in Atlanta delayed it even further. They still don't know what it is. Experts I talk to say they really are strongly suspicious of something called norovirus, a virus that's not uncommon on ships. Causes exactly the symptoms these folks have had. So, you know, no one will be surprised if it turns out to be norovirus.
[Blitzer:] And it's spread pretty easily, right?
[Cohen:] It spreads very easily. What happens is someone goes to the bathroom. Maybe they don't know they're sick because they haven't gotten sick yet because butt they have the virus. They don't wash their hands, they touch a counter. Someone else touches the counter. They touch their mouth. They could get sick. It spreads that easily, spreads via person to person, spreads surface to surface.
[Blitzer:] Have the Royal Caribbean told you what's going to happen to these passengers, crew members when they get off the ship? I think we've lost our connection with Elizabeth, unfortunately, once again. You got the news. There it is. The Royal Caribbean cruise ship "Explorer of the Seas" now back in Bayonne, New Jersey, with about 4,000 passengers and crew members, about 700 of whom got pretty sick as a result of what they believe was this norovirus. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll check in with Chad Myers. He's standing by in Atlanta with the latest on a pretty serious situation. A lot of folks still stuck on icy roads. Traffic problems enormous right now. A lot of young kids stuck in school buses and in schools. We'll have the very latest right after this.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Ancdhor:] So, Chris, the inspector general believes these details are part of a bigger problem?
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Without a doubt, Don. I mean, it really brings to mind the fact that there are 5 million people out there with some sort of security clearance. And it brings up the question of how many of their background checks were done adequately. Plus the fact that the inspector general has already said he's going to spend a lot on this hearing basically saying, I don't know, or we haven't looked into that. Because he says they simply do not have the resources to do the kind of oversight that this kind of important job entails. I think nothing points that out better than the fact that that woman that you just mentioned, Don, the one who admitted that she falsified 1,600 credit checks.
[Lemon:] It's 1,600.
[Lawrence:] It's 1,600. That woman's own background check, the one that she had to go through to get her job, that was also fabricated by yet another inspector who subsequently was convicted in a separate case. It just just really goes to show you. Let me read you something from what you're going to hear during this testimony today. In fact, we learned that a contract background investigator who was removed from an OPM contract for falsifying reports was later able to obtain contract employment performing background investigations for another federal agency while a criminal indictment for fabricating reports was pending. Nothing sums up the problem more than that Don.
[Lemon:] Nothing better than that. So let's talk solutions here. Any reforms to the vetting process that you're hearing about in reaction to Edward Snowden?
[Lawrence:] Well, I just got off the phone a couple minutes ago with a former defense the president official who has spent extensive years going through background checks and also overseeing some of these programs. He says the entire system is broken. He said, look, they're spending $4,000 when they could be spending 100,000. You have people sitting there asking questions on a form. Did you live at this address in 1982? Is Julie really your wife, things that a computer could do easily, He says a lot of that could be, you know, done for $100 by a computer. And then you take the people and move them out to do more thorough investigations, to go out and talk to folks. That you're not going to catch on just a surface background, to look more deeply into people's online activities, which is where a lot of our lives are led now. Not so much with our neighbors down the street. It's who we're interacting with online Don.
[Lemon:] Chris Lawrence, thank you. Appreciate that. And the man who prompted today's hearing is in crunch time right now. It's thought that Edward Snowden is using a 90-day tourist visa while hiding out in Hongkong. He reportedly flew there May 20th. So the visa could expire in August. So far U.S. authorities have not charged him. Not charged him. So stay tuned for that. Want to get you to some developing news. See that there in the corner of your screen. The Dow Jones Industrial average is down 300 points. As promised, we'll get back to Felicia Taylor if something happened. What's going on, Felicia?
[Felicia Taylor, Cnn Business Correspondent:] You know, it's pretty interesting because any headline can actually move the markets at this kind of a juncture. I spoke to one trader. Evidently there's a headline that crossed that said literally the fed is seen tapering QE to $65 billion at the September FOMC meeting. The point of this, though, is that the Federal Reserve did not make that announcement. I have to be very, very clear about that. The Federal Reserve has not said that they were going to begin tapering in September. What this was, was based on a survey of economists that believe it could begin in September. So that accelerated the selling on the marketplace. Because literally sometimes you just see a headline and you react to that, anticipating that, you know, you're not going to find the real nugget of information that's in there. That is that it was based on a survey of economists. The Federal Reserve has not made that pronouncement. Nevertheless that did accelerate the selling off. We're now down about 292 points. I would begin to think people would get back out of the marketplace. Again, this is all based on what the Federal Reserve chairman has said already. Once again, I'm going to re-emphasize this. He has hedged his bets. He's waiting for data points to be collected over the next few months before he actually makes any kind of a move Don.
[Lemon:] Goodness. The power of being the fed chair and what you say. Thank you very much, Felicia. We'll get back to you again as this progresses here on CNN. Up next, remember Exodus International? Exodus International, the group that spent decades trying to convert gay people to straight by saying just pray the gay away? Well, they announced yesterday they're closing their doors. The head of the group had some interesting things to say about why, next.

[Banfield:] The attorney for Michael Dunn has filed a motion to withdraw from that case. You'll remember, this is the so-called "Loud Music" case. Dunn was found guilty last month on three counts of attempted murder, but the jury was hung on the most serious of the charges, first-degree murder, for shooting and killing 17-year-old Jordan Davis. Dunn's attorney is citing, quote, "slight but irreconcilable differences," end quote. He's also noting Dunn can't pay his attorney fees. This is the same attorney who filed a motion for a new trial. In the crisis in Ukraine, the Ukrainian prime minister is headed west this week, all the way to the White House, that's Wednesday, and then the United Nations Security council, that's Thursday. For its part, Moscow is saying that it is preparing, quote, "counter- proposals" to resolve its armed occupation of Crimea, quote, "on the basis of international law." Ukrainians expressed their views yesterday in these dueling demonstrations, loud and very, very populated. This was in a city near the Russian border. The Ukraine military, meanwhile, though completely overshadowed in the Crimea standoff is nonetheless holding exercises, but not fully mobilizing for now. Question remains, is all of this too late? A visit to the border shows that armed and masked Russian fighters have pretty much taken Crimea. Just seems to be a fact, period. And it also means they are none too keen to let the rest of the world see what they're up to, which means that CNN's Anna Coren and her crew were not particularly welcome as guests at the border, and you've got to see what their report shows.
[Coren:] Parked along the highway linking Crimea to Ukraine, a convoy of Russian trucks and armored personal carriers. We're approaching a checkpoint, flying the Russian flag, where troops are searching cars, targeting media crews, and confiscating equipment. We hide our cameras as soldiers inspect the van. One of them is spotted. It's taken and turned off. This is now effectively part of Russia, and they don't want us filming the evidence. The local soldier in charge who's sworn allegiance to Russia agrees to an interview. "We're defending our people," he tells me. "This is not about Russia, but about protecting our homeland." As we drive through the checkpoint, we see the new border that's being erected along this windswept plain. Once out of view from Russian troops, we stop the car and resume filming. While Russia says it has no military presence on the Crimean peninsula, well here is your proof. Russian troops have dug in armed personal carriers of rolled up barbed wire, dug fence posts and there are also signs that indicate that there are landmines in the area. A local resident says they aren't just signs. This is a mine field. "One of my neighbor's dogs ran in there and was blown up," he tells me. "Why are the Russians laying land mines? Why are they being so aggressive?" For those living here, the military buildup on their doorstep is alarming. "I'm frightened about the future," this grandmother tells me. "We don't want a war, we just want to work, live peacefully and feed our families." Several miles up the road, the Ukrainian checkpoint appears. They too are digging in, setting up camp, well aware this standoff could turn bloody. "We are warriors following the orders of the people of Ukraine," says this soldier. "If they want us to defend Crimea, then we will do this, and we're willing to die." A sacrifice they're prepared to make for the sovereignty of Ukraine. Anna Coren, CNN, Chonga, on the Crimean peninsula.
[Banfield:] And our thanks to Anna Coren and her crew who are doing some very brave work for us to make sure that this story has international eyes on it. Marijuana is a huge cash crop in Colorado, where recreational use is now legal. But there is this lingering problem. The business mavens are now facing, what do you do with all that cash? Lots and lots and lots of bills that the banks will not take. You can't open an account with this kind of money, folks, so what do you do with it? The legal view on the pot boom, just ahead.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] An historic new beginning for the United States and Cuba. President Obama announces a breakthrough agreement to restore ties to the island, ties severed more than 50 years ago. But this maybe easier said than done. The big fight from both sides of the aisle that the president now faces. Movie release canceled. Sony indefinitely pulls the plug on the controversial film "The Interview" following cyber attacks and terror threats from hackers. This morning, all eyes are on North Korea. Is Kim Jong-un behind these attacks? We have live coverage ahead. Russia's economy in crisis. As we speak, Russian president Vladimir Putin on the defensive, fielding questions of all kinds from reporters. He'll be doing for hours. We are live in Moscow with this freewheeling event. That's coming up. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to EARLY START. A lot going on this morning. I'm John Berman. It's Thursday, December 18th, 5:00 a.m. in the East. Christine Romans is off this morning. And developing right now: monumental change in the contentious and complicated relationship between the United States and Cuba. President Obama has announced plans to normalize U.S. relations with Cuba. This comes after months of closely guarded secret negotiations. The president ordered the opening of an embassy, a U.S. embassy, in Havana for the first time in more than 50 years. There'll be a Cuban embassy in Washington. One key part of the deal: the release of U.S. contractor Alan Gross. He's been in a Cuban prison for five years. He was immediately flown back to the United States.
[Alan Gross, Freed By Cuba:] God bless you and thank you. It was crucial to my survival knowing that I was not forgotten.
[Berman:] There was also a spy swap. Three Cubans convicted of espionage were released from prisons. A U.S. intelligence asset imprisoned in Cuba for 20 years, he was set free. Senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta has the latest on these historic developments Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] John, it's not the lifting of the embargo, but the cold war between the U.S. and Cuba has started to thaw. This diplomatic deal with Cuba is the culmination of secret talks with the communist nation that begun nearly 18 months ago, in June of last year. Senior administration officials say most of the discussions took place in Canada led by deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes. And those wheels were in motion when the president and Raul Castro shook hands at Nelson Mandela's memorial service last December in South Africa. But key sticking point remained in all of this, and that is the imprisonment of Alan Gross in Cuba. Earlier this year, the pope stepped in, sending letters to President Obama and Raul Castro, urging both sides to resolve this issue of Gross' status. And then to push the talks forward, the Vatican welcomed officials from the U.S. and Cuba back to Rome just last October. Then, Mr. Obama and Raul Castro hammered out the rest of this deal in the phone call yesterday, the first presidential level contact the White House says since the Cuban revolution more than 50 years ago. And then, at the White House, at the Hanukkah celebration, the president talked about his phone call with Alan Gross.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] I spoke to him on his flight. He said he was willing to interrupt his corn beef sandwich to talk to me. I told him he has mustard in his mustache. I couldn't actually see it. But needless to say, he was thrilled. And he landed at Andrews in a plane marked the United States of America. He's going to get the medical attention he needs. He is back where he belongs, in America, with his family, home for Hanukkah.
[Acosta:] A senior administration official said Cuba's former leader, Fidel Castro, was not involved in the negotiations for this deal. As for a presidential trip to Cuba, the White House is not ruling one out, nothing Mr. Obama was in China last month, and China, they say, still has its own human rights issues and issues when it comes to democratic freedoms John.
[Berman:] All right. Thanks, Jim. This morning, there was a raging debate over this move. Opponents say it throws the Castro regime a lifeline, instead of letting the sanctions continue to squeeze it out of power. Two Republican senators, you're looking at them both right there on the screen, both Cuban-Americans, both possible presidential candidates, they denounced this agreement.
[Sen. Marco Rubio , Florida:] This policy contradiction is absurd. And it is disgraceful for a president who claims to treasure human rights and human freedom.
[Sen. Ted Cruz , Texas:] We've seen for six years under this situation is that we have been consistently alienating and abandoning our friends and allies, and at the same time, appeasing and coddling our enemies.
[Berman:] Senator Marco Rubio, you heard him there, first. He has vowed to disrupt this plan and block any possible nominee for ambassador to Cuba. Among the reasons that some critics give for not normalizing relations, they say Cuba admits to harboring fugitives wanted by the United States, including some accused of terrorism. Now, one of the most contentious part of this agreement is the release of three Cubans convicted of espionage in the United States. These are pictures of them right now landing in Cuba after their release. They're the final members of the so-called Cuban Five. That's a 1990s spy ring that infiltrated Cuban exile groups in military installations in South Florida. One of the men, Gerardo Hernandez, was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder for his role in the downing of the planes flown by the exile group Brothers to the Rescue. Family members of pilots killed in that 1996 incident are furious. Listen.
[Maggie Alejandre-khuly, Brother Killed:] In no way, in no way it was, in no way in this, in no way equivalent to Gerardo Hernandez who has blood on his hands.
[Berman:] The reaction in South Florida among Cuban-Americans is torn. On all sides, there is shock and surprise at this agreement. Many older Cuban-Americans are furious, calling the president as much as a traitor. Some younger Cuban-Americans seem pleased.
[Unidentified Male:] The last six years, this administration has been negotiating with Cuba, everything in exchange for nothing. Unfortunately, unlike many in my community, I believe and I believe that many in my community believe that Cuba's best days have not yet been seen.
[Berman:] We have another major story developing this morning. Sony Pictures has out and out canceled release of the film "The Interview." They may never release this controversial comedy in any form, including home video. This news comes as U.S. officials prepared to announce that they have determined is behind the huge cyberattack on Sony and the threat of violence that led most theater chains to drop this film. Now, that announcement from U.S. officials could come as soon as today. We are also learning this morning that the federal law enforcement agencies received internal warnings about the threat to theaters, but the FBI did not issue a bulletin because it did not believe that the hackers posed a real threat. President Obama seemed to back that view in an interview. Let's listen.
[Obama:] The cyberattack is very serious. We're investigating it. We're taking it seriously. You know, we'll be vigilant. If we see something we think is serious and credible, then we will alert the public. But for now, my recommendation would be that people go to the movies.
[Berman:] Huge developments in this ongoing story. Let's go to Tokyo. CNN's Will Ripley is there. And, of course, Tokyo, home of the headquarters of the Sony Corporation.
[Will Ripley, Cnn International Correspondent:] And, you know, John, what we've learned in the past few days is that while Sony here in Tokyo has kept a hands off approach when it comes to Sony Pictures, in the United States, certainly regarding this film, "The Interview", they did get involved. It is unprecedented that the CEO of Sony Corporation was reaching out, talking about editing scenes in this film that now perhaps won't be shown at all publicly as a result of this hacking crisis. But one Sony spokesperson did tell me that the Sony CEO was also instrumental in the decision, the tough decision for Sony, to not release this picture on Christmas Day. They put out a statement which sums of the emotion that many people in the corporation are feeling. I want to read it to you. It says, quote, "We are deeply saddened at that brazen effort to suppress the distribution of a movie and in process do damage to our company, our employees and the American public. We stand by our filmmakers and right to expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome." And while Sony does stand by those filmmakers, there are questions here in Tokyo why Sony would have green lighted this project in the first place given the potential for a geopolitical mess that has exploded as a result of this. There are now questions about North Korea launching cyberattacks on other corporations that may be perceived to do them wrong. And there are also questions about how the U.S. government may respond. Now that they are prepared to name North Korea as the prime suspect in this hack, what recourse do they have to send the message that steps will be taken to stop this, or is this going to be new chapter where countries like North Korea and smaller entities that may not have a lot of money and through the power of the Internet, they can inflict millions of dollars of damage, cause a lot of fear for relatively little effort on the part of a few hundred people launching a coordinated attack, John.
[Berman:] These are great questions, Will, important questions. And, you know, the United States government has different interests than the corporations. These corporations that have apparently caved to the pressure from these hackers back by apparently the North Koreans. Will Ripley in Tokyo, thank you so much. "The Interview" this film, this comedy from Seth Rogen and James Franco has turned into a very expensive mess for Sony. Cristina Alesci has more on this.
[Cristina Alesci, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Yes, this is a big hit for Sony. First off, "The Interview" costs $40 million to make. Sony is losing out on ticket sales to the tune of $100 million according to one analyst. Plus, you've got to factor in the cost of new software and security. Sony stock is down about 6 percent since the attack. The movie business, just keep this in mind, is just one of Sony's problems. The company is really falling behind in electronics market where it used to dominate. It's television unit is struggling. It's smartphones make up just 3 percent of the market. And Sony just flat- out waved the white flag and dropped personal computers all together this year. PlayStation, of course, is still a highlight, but the company lost $1.2 billion last year. This fiasco could not be worse for them. But, you know, I think will brings up a great point, does this set a bad precedent the fact that movie theaters are pulling this movie and caving to the hackers? But do they have a choice? They face massive legal liability if something does happen.
[Berman:] And I think they also think face the question, is this movie worth it? Was this a $200 million breakout blockbuster?
[Alesci:] That's true.
[Berman:] So, I think there's a lot of considerations here. But it does seem like they are backing down in the face of threats. Cristina Alesci, great to have you with us. I appreciate it. Eleven minutes after the hour. Happening right now: Russia's economy in crisis, the ruble in free-fall, and Russian president Vladimir Putin is answering questions about all of it right now. We are live in Moscow, next.

[Berman:] Facebook, Google, Microsoft, cutthroat competitors in the business world, but on immigration reform they stand united. Whether it's Mark Zuckerberg or Eric Schmidt or Bill Gates, they are technology visionaries who helped shape our present, now they are pushing hard for an immigration overhaul that could shape the future. This week Zuckerberg spoke publicly about immigration reform for the first time.
[Mark Zuckerberg, Ceo, Facebook:] The students who no matter where they were born coming into this country are going to be tomorrow's entrepreneurs and the people creating jobs. This is something that we believe is really important for the future of our country and for us to do what's right.
[Berman:] He has a vested interest. Technology companies say they have jobs and not enough skilled workers to fill them. They holler that U.S. universities educate some of the most talented students in the world, who then get sent them home to create jobs in other countries. It's something that Google's Eric Schmidt and Microsoft's Bill Gates have both complained about on this show when speaking recently with Christine Romans.
[Eric Schmidt, Executive Chairman, Google:] It particularly stupid for the American government to require us to fully educate people with PhDs, ship them out of the country where they can create competitors in other countries that take American jobs away.
[Bill Gates, Chairman, Microsoft:] If we want to a bring a person here to be educated, you should never then make them go away. And there's some categories of jobs where you know other jobs are created around them. So forcing those back to Asia doesn't make sense.
[Berman:] So the tech industry is making its case loudly; the question is, is Washington listening? Dana Bash is CNN's chief congressional correspondent, a reporter in the Worldwide Reporting Hall of Fame. Dana, the Senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill that's stalled in the House right now. But here's what Senator Chuck Schumer said on CNN's "NEW DAY."
[Sen. Charles Schumer,  New York:] We would much prefer a big, comprehensive bill, but any way that the House can get there is OK by us. I actually am optimistic that we will get this done.
[Berman:] He's now talking about the possibility of supporting a piecemeal approach. That seemed like a marker of sorts. How do you see this shaking out?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] It was a marker. Certainly that's the way it's being perceived by House Republican leadership sources who I have spoken to about that. The only catch is that he is putting out an olive branch, saying that if Republicans want to pass immigration in the process of splitting it up in smaller bills, that's fine. He's not going to he's moving away from his whole idea of comprehensive immigration reform. But here's the "but" and this is a big "but" what they are not going to go for in the Senate, these people who supported comprehensive reform, is saying, OK, we're going to pass a border security bill now and then in a year or two years we'll get to the issue of legal status or citizenship. That is something that they will not go for. So there's definitely an important gray area here. But the fact that he put that out is certainly telling. And I will tell you very quickly. The whole fear going into this month-long recess where we are right now is among supporters of immigration reform was that Republicans in the House would get blasted by conservative constituents, the base, saying don't you dare touch this. What we have seen so far is actually the opposite. We've seen Republican leaders come out and be much more open to the idea, even of legal status. We're talking about the House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy and even the House Judiciary Chairman. So that actually has been surprising and maybe a sign that this whole idea is not dead after all, which a lot of people thought.
[Berman:] Dana Bash, thank you so much. As you said, this summer recess key in the immigration rebate. Thanks, Dana. So much for that old sales adage, "All real estate is local."
[Unidentified Male:] [Inaudible] location, location, location [inaudible]. Are Chinese homebuyers half a world away driving up prices in your city? That's next.

[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for joining us this Saturday. You're in the "CNN Newsroom." I'm Poppy Harlow, in for my good friend, Don Lemon. Let's get right to it. Comedian Tracy Morgan hospitalized at this hour. He is in critical condition after a tractor trailer hit his limo in the early morning hours overnight. We are learning new details on the crash that killed one person and also injured seven others. Morgan had just wrapped up a comedy show in Delaware. He was riding in that limo bus on the way home. That's when a tractor trailer reportedly smacked right into it on the New Jersey turnpike. Morgan is hospitalized and his family, we are told is by his side right now. The 45-year-old Morgan is, of course, known for starring on NBC's "30 Rock" right alongside Tina Fey, also for his time on "Saturday Night Live" alongside comic superstars like Jimmy Fallon. Right now, many of his fellow comedians are pulling for him, sending him their best wishes. The "SNL Weekend" update team tweeted "Wishing a speedy recovery to our friend, Tracy Morgan." I want to go straight to CNN Alexandra Field. She is live in New Brunswick, New Jersey. Alex, you've been there all day. First of all, give us the latest on his condition.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, he's still in critical condition. He was in intensive care this morning. We have no word on the extent of his conditions. He do know though that he remains in critical condition with at least two other people who are here at Robert Wood Johnson, New Brunswick, New Jersey. Just about a half hour away from where that crash happened. His reps put out a statement acknowledging that his family is here with him. They say that he is receiving excellent care. At this point they don't expect his condition to change today. He is one of seven people who were taken to hospitals following that crash. One person killed in the crash overnight and we are now learning more about the people who were onboard that limo bus with Tracy Morgan. We know the man who died, James McNair, 63 year old, was a fellow comedian and a long time friend of Morgan's. We are also learning that two of the other people who were hospitalized were fellow comedians. No word on their current conditions. But we know that one of those comedians is
[Harlow:] You know, Alex, this happened around 1:00 a.m. so the question always comes to mind any indication of alcohol was involved? Also, if there had been other charges filed yet. This is still under investigation, Poppy. At this point no charges have been filed but the Middlesex County District Attorney's office is looking into this. New Jersey state police say that what they know at this point is that it appears that the driver of the tractor trailer failed to recognize slowing traffic in front of him and he tried to veer at the last moment but still smashed into that limo bus. Forcing it to flip over. Investigators are looking into reasons why he may not have seen the traffic slowing down. The NTSB, National Transportation Safety Board, their investigators are looking into this, Poppy, and they will be looking at any kinds of issues that are related to commercial limousines and trucking. Yes. As well the question about seat belts. Were people wearing seat belts? Our hearts go out to everyone affected in this. Of course, one life lost and we're wishing the best for everyone at the hospital. Thank you. Appreciate the report today, Alex. Meantime, the Army hospital in Germany treating Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl says there's still no timetable for when he will be released. But we do know his health is improving by the day. Today marks one week since the Taliban handed over Bergdahl to U.S. forces in Afghanistan. They held him captive for nearly five years. He was freed after a prisoner swap deal that also set free five members of the Taliban that were being held at Guantanamo Bay. It is a deal being called, "too lopsided" by critics. Many from the political right. But the former commander of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan told CNN's Michael Smerconish today, "Politics later. Bring military captives home now."
[James Mattis, Retired Army General:] Bowe Bergdahl was not a soldier. He was a U.S. soldier. He is one of us. Even if we have disagreements or disappointments or worse, if the investigation were to find misconduct, we leave that as a separate issue to be handled quite capably by the U.S. Army and under the U.S. Constitution and the laws that have been passed by the U.S. Congress.
[Harlow:] We are told that when Bowe Bergdahl is well enough to return stateside he is going to first report to a military hospital in San Antonio, Texas. That's where our Martin Savage is right now. Also joining me, Erin McPike. She is at the White House with the Washington side of all this. I want to go to you, Martin, first. You've been there, really throughout the week. This is where he is expected to go. Why San Antonio? Also, do we know that that is where he will be reunited with his parents or are we unclear on that at this point?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Good afternoon, Poppy. He comes here because of one main reason, that's the building behind me. That's the Brooke Army Military Medical Center. This is the place that the Army deems some years ago that it would be the receiving point for all returning P.O.Ws. Those that were held captive. That's the reason he comes here. There is nothing special about it. It is the standard protocol when handling former prisoners of war. It is also where the reunion is supposed to take place and that, too, is standard. The reunion is often the most emotionally overwhelming of the entire transition back to normal life, I guess you can call it. It is a carefully cared for kind of an event. It would normally take place inside of a hospital room and the first meeting between parents and their son would normally only last a few minutes. However, we all know, a lot has transpired between last weekend when he was freed and this weekend when you would expect he would already be here. Whether anything has changed in that protocol specifically, we don't know. We do know that there is a standard way of treating former P.O.W.s and right now they continue to follow it even with his stay there in Germany. Poppy.
[Harlow:] I do want to talk about the treatment that we think he might get. Of course, between we don't have lot of details on his condition but what we do know, Marty, is that the hospital there in Germany has said that Bowe Bergdahl is free to call his parents and at this point to the best of our knowledge, CNN has been told he has not made that call yet. Do we have any sense of what kind of treatment, physical, emotional, mental treatment, he will get? What state he will be in when he arrives there in San Antonio?
[Savidge:] There is really three phases that any returning soldier goes through. Number one is they come into friendly hands which happened with Bowe Bergdahl last weekend. Then they get stabilized at a regional medical center and that's what is taking place there in Germany. The decision when he gets transferred here, that's deemed by the medical team and primarily also by his psychiatrist, who is already being assigned to him, a military psychiatrist. When he comes here they will, of course, continue all of that. A lot of medical studying being done on him and also they will make sure that psychiatry wise, he checks out. After that they want to move him down to Fort San Houston, just down the street and get him into regular housing. Because the main process here, as they call it, reintegration, working with his family, slowly reintroducing him to life. So all those little decisions that we do without any thought on a daily basis, that's all something being new to him because he has been controlled for five years. It is going to be a long, difficult road.
[Harlow:] No question about that. Appreciate the report throughout the week and staying there for us, Marty. Thank you so much. Let's go now to the White House. As I mentioned earlier, the president is being pounded by some fellow lawmakers, furious they were not informed and they did not get that 30-day notice before this prisoner swap took place. Erin McPike is there for us. You know, Erin, much of the criticism, no surprise there, is coming from the political right, right? Party versus party. But not all of it. There are members of the president's own party not happy at all about it.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Poppy, that's right. Including two prominent former Obama defense officials who have spoken out about that. Defense secretary Robert Gates, former defense secretary, I should say. He was, of course, in the Bush administration. But also the president's former national security adviser, General Jim Jones. He was on our air last night, criticizing the deal and Democrats in Congress want to hear more justification from the White House.
[Mcpike:] President Obama returns to Washington from a whirlwind European tour, facing a growing storm over last week's dramatic release of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. A key question in this NBC News interview, why didn't he tell Congress beforehand?
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We saw an opportunity and we took it. I made no apologies for it. The main concern was we have a fast and delicate situation that requires no publicity.
[Mcpike:] Sources say the Taliban didn't threaten to kill Bergdahl as administration officials suggested to senators. And lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are skeptical. Including Democrat Dianne Feinstein who chairs the Senate intelligence committee. She told Bloomberg News
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein , Senate Intelligence Committee:] I don't think that there was a credible threat that but I don't know. I have no information that there was.
[Mcpike:] What's more, law makers from both parties don't buy the administration's initial explanation that Bergdahl's health was urgently deteriorating. Defense secretary Chuck Hagel is under pressure to release the proof of live video of Bergdahl from last December that the White House showed senators to make that case. Despite the shifting stories and growing political backlash, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton defended the president. Telling ABC News
[Hillary Clinton, Fmr. State Secretary:] If you look at what the factors were going into the decision, of course, there are competing interests and values. One of our values is we bring everybody home off the battlefield the best we can. It doesn't matter how they ended up in a prisoner of war situation.
[Mcpike:] But even General Jim Jones, one of President Obama's former national security adviser, has questioned the deal. Telling
[Cnn - Gen. Jim Jones, Fmr. Obama National Security Adviser:] I come down on the side that you don't negotiate with terrorists. I think that's a rock-solid principle. I think that once you show that there is weakness there, you open the door for possibly other bad things to happen.
[Mcpike:] Now, this discussion moves to the House next, Poppy. Five high-ranking administration officials will brief members of Congress on Monday night. That would be led by deputy national security adviser Tony Lincoln and then on Wednesday, Defense secretary Chuck Hagel will testify before the House Armed Services Committee.
[Harlow:] Yes, I have a sense that this is a long way from over when it comes to the politics of all of this. We will be watching closely and get to you with more later in the show. Erin McPike, appreciate it, for us at the White House. Coming up next here in the "Newsroom," will California Chrome go down in the history books? In less than three hours he goes for the Triple Crown. We will take to you the track live after a quick break.

[Berman:] Stunning developments in the deadly crash of Germanwings flight 9525. According to the French prosecutor, the copilot deliberately crashed that plane with all 150 people on board. The prosecutor says 28-year-old German national, Andreas Lubitz, locked the captain out of the cockpit and activated the plane's descent. The captain could be heard on the cockpit voice recorder trying to smash the door down trying to get back in. Investigators believe the copilot was completely conscious during the descent of that plane because of the nature of his breathing.
[Unidentified, French Prosecutor:] So far as I know, there's no camera within the cockpit to film the copilot. We don't get the feeling that there was any particular panic because the breathing remains steady. How can you tell from his breathing that he was conscious? Well, the breathing was not faltering. It was normal human normal breathing.
[Bolduan:] That was the French prosecutor talking right there giving those amazing details. He emphasized the copilot activated the descent of the plane and that can only be done deliberately. There's a lot of technicalities that are very important. Let's try to break it down a little bit with safety analyst and former FAA inspector, David Soucie. David, you said it took a long time to build this up, it's difficult to explain. Let's start first on the idea of a deliberate act to activate the descent that they're discussing. Tell us what that means. We're looking at the Airbus A320 cockpit.
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] There's a little knob on this eyebrow panel. What it does is sets the rate of descent. If you want to go at 1,000 feet per minute down, you set it at 1,000. You can also say I want to go up 1,000 feet as well. That's what he's saying was intentionally moved. There are some models that you just spin it and it knows you're going that. But it's so you go of 1,000 foot increments or 100-foot increments. He's saying he reached up, turned that down to about 3500 feet per minute.
[Bolduan:] Sounds difficult to make that be an accident. No one is saying accident at that point.
[Soucie:] Look how far you are from this? You're not going to hit your head or catch a sleeve.
[Bolduan:] Is there any evidence that this wasn't deliberate, any of the details they've discussed, that this was not a deliberate act?
[Soucie:] There's a couple things and I'm really reaching. We need to rule it out. Number one, this is the control yoke right here. This is how you fly the airplane, with just a joy stick basically. The thought is here, if he passed out and pushed that forward as he fell forward, it would have gone forward, initiated that rate of descent and overrode this, so the airplane would have continued down. Even though it's set at zero, it would continue this trajectory.
[Bolduan:] Again, they still say, everything they know is that it is deliberate.
[Soucie:] That's right. Second thing real quick, if the pilot got up from here and his sleeve caught this going in this direction, it would have changed the rate of descent. But from what we can tell, he's already out of there.
[Bolduan:] He's out of the plane before that happens. Now let's go to where the focus really is. Two things. This is the override panel outside the cockpit to get in. This is the lock panel to lock the door from the inside. We know now something happened here. We don't know if the override was attempted. That's one thing we don't know. We also don't know the lock button was pushed. But we have to assume something happened because that's what the airline said.
[Soucie:] Right.
[Bolduan:] Walk us through this, David. This is important. Why does the five minutes matter?
[Soucie:] What happens here if the copilot they're saying the copilot intentionally did the lock? No matter what the pilot did, there's no door handle, no way to get in. He notifies the guy, I've got to get in. If the copilot decides he doesn't want him in, he clicks that down and has five minutes of solitude, no one is going to come in at all. It's impossible.
[Bolduan:] After that, how does the 30 seconds play in?
[Soucie:] How that works, if he wants to get in, he hits the button this is for in case both pilots are incapacitated. If the flight attendant can't reach anybody in there, she puts in a special code in. That little code goes over to the front near the pilot. It gives a 30-second buzzer type warning. That goes on for 30 seconds. Pilots have a choice. If they're incapacitated, they're not going to respond to that.
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Soucie:] However, what they need to do in that 30 seconds is either lock that door.
[Bolduan:] Or do nothing.
[Soucie:] Or let them in or wait 30 seconds and do nothing and the door automatically opens.
[Bolduan:] With all this, there's a lot of detail that needs to come out as to how this played out. There's a lot of time that could have passed when they're trying to initiate the override, five minutes, 30 seconds, we're talking eight-plus minutes before the crash happened.
[Soucie:] Not a lot of time.
[Bolduan:] David, thank you so much, as always. John?
[Berman:] Kate, the FBI has been called in to assist into the investigation of Andreas Lubitz, the copilot officials now say deliberately clashed Germanwings flight 9525, we have new information on just what investigators hope to get their hands on in the coming hours. That's next.

[Costello:] As government operations rumble back to life from the shutdown, the man at the center of the two-week stalemate is facing passionate reviews. Republican Senator Ted Cruz is enjoying a big boost from his fellow conservatives and Tea Party loyalists. But other Republicans say he's grandstanding at the expense of his party.
[Unidentified Male:] I think the only thing he accomplished was gaining more supporters and fundraising for himself, but did absolutely nothing for the country and did a lot of harm to the Republican Party. What he accomplished is bringing together people from all over the United States and he led and showed his leadership in organizing all of those people is a huge accomplishment particularly since the conservatives have been crying out for leadership for many, many years and he filled that void.
[Costello:] CNN's Athena Jones is on Capitol Hill to break it all down for us this morning. Good morning, Athena.
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Well, Ted Cruz has certainly made a name for himself, as you can see there. And we've been talking a lot about who won and who lost in this 16-day shutdown battle. Senator Cruz is being called both a winner and loser, and someone folks in both parties will be watching closely.
[Jones:] Failure has never looked so good.
[Senator Ted Cruz , Texas:] This is a terrible deal.
[Jones:] Perhaps that's because Senator Ted Cruz does not feel beaten. The day after Cruz was defeated in his battle to defund Obamacare, he was out shaking the hands of World War II veterans.
[Cruz:] The American people continue to rise up. We're going to turn this around.
[Jones:] Cruz has energized his base. A Pew Research Center poll released this week shows his popularity soaring among Tea Party Republicans, jumping to 74 percent from 47 percent in July.
[Unidentified Male:] Out here in the real world, outside of New York and Washington, D.C., these people think Ted Cruz is a hero.
[Jones:] And donors are supporting him in a big way, to keep his fight going. Cruz has reportedly raised $750,000 these last few weeks. The president may think he silenced Cruz who famously spent 21 hours on the Senate floor railing against Obamacare.
[Cruz:] I do not like green eggs and ham.
[Jones:] Cruz's Obamacare fight has not been without a price.
[Unidentified Male:] His colleagues in the Senate look at him as an adversary, a troublemaker, as a problem child. Not as somebody they want to cooperate with.
[Jones:] His hometown newspaper sharply critical of his performance since their endorsement last year. The Tea Party vows to fight on. The damage for Republicans is undeniable.
[Unidentified Male:] He may end up leading a party, the question is, is it a party that can compete nationally either for control of Congress or the presidency?
[Jones:] The Cruz factor giving late-night comedians plenty of fodder.
[Unidentified Male:] President Obama has said that the day after the budget deal is made he's going to concentrate on immigration. Yes. He says he'll start by deporting Ted Cruz.
[Jones:] And one more word of warning for both parties, Cruz's aides says he hasn't ruled out forcing a government shutdown all over again a few months from now over Obamacare Carol.
[Costello:] Can't wait. Athena Jones reporting live in Washington this morning. Thank you. Checking other top stories this morning, are spiders invading your car? Toyota is recalling almost 900,000 vehicles because of potentially dangerous problems triggered by spider webs. The car maker says spider webs can cause a short circuit that could make the power steering fail or force the driver's air bag to deploy. The problem affects 2012 and 2013 Camrys, Venzas and Avalons. Throughout his career, Dick Cheney's heart health has been documented. Well, now Cheney is opening up about his deteriorating health in a new book. He has had several heart attacks as you know including one, which you probably didn't know days after he was elected vice president. He recalled to CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
[Dick Cheney, Former U.s. Vice President:] Basically what I did was resigned the vice presidency effective March 28th of 2001.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] So nearly for you entire time as vice president, there was a letter of resignation sitting there.
[Cheney:] Pending.
[Gupta:] How did President Bush react when you told him about this?
[Cheney:] He was supervised, but he thought it was a good idea.
[Costello:] You can see Sanjay Gupta's full interview with Dick Cheney Sunday night on CBS's "60 Minutes" and Tuesday night on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360." When it is a rock more than a rock? Answer, when you're in Goblin Valley State Park. Three Boy Scout leaders in Utah could face felony charges after they pushed over a 200-million year old boulder. The men say they pushed over the boulder because it was wobbly and they feared it might fall and hurt hikers.
[Unidentified Male:] A kid was about ready to walk down here and die and Glen saved his life by getting the boulder out of the way.
[Dave Hall, Filmed Incident:] That thing wobbled. I looked at that main path and walkway and thought, one gust of wind and a family is dead.
[Unidentified Male:] He had to brace himself. He had to get into position. That's more than a gust of wind. You've got to admit.
[Hall:] You know what? That earth, that dirt wears away every time there's a rainstorm.
[Costello:] But that's a big no-no in this park. It's against the law to deface state parks. No charges have been filed yet. The symbolic image of the shutdown, panda cam and now a grown man in a panda suit giving out hugs and photos at the National Zoo. The pandas are back. The shutdown is over. Life is good. We'll be right back.

[Hammer:] Right now, the SHOWBIZ countdown, today`s top buzzmakers. And wow, Beyonce chops off her flowing locks. This is Beyonce`s biggest transformation ever. We are revealing her epic short new do and you get to decide if it`s all kinds of awesome or if it`s awful. Is Beyonce`s makeover dramatic enough to top this drama? The Hoff meets Discovery "Shark Week." Does the Hoff plus Shark plus the piano simply equals TV goals or worst David Hasselhoff`s worst moments ever. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now. And welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer. Tonight, on the SHOWBIZ Countdown, we are counting down the day`s top five biggest buzz makers. Let`s fire up at number five, Beyonce`s stunning transformation, the superstar singer really shocked her fans this morning. She took to the Internet to show off her dramatic new do. She went from big hair and long locks to brace yourself this. Beyonce right there, rocking a blonde, pixie cut, can you believe that? I mean she is nearly unrecognizable. Amanda Seales with the VH1`s "Best Week Ever" is with me tonight. And Amanda, let`s face it, all she really did was, you know, remove the extensions or pull off the wig. But, for you. Her new look? Love it or leave it?
[Amanda Seales, With Vh1`s "best Week Ever":] You know what? I`m going to say love it. You know, I wear my hair natural, meaning there is no chemicals, there is also no weaves or extensions in it and I think a lot of especially black women see it as a source of pride to go the natural route and to just rock what you got. You know? And I think that Beyonce doing this is more than just a style thing. It`s actually a real strong statement saying that you know, you are beautiful without all the extra flare.
[Hammer:] Or is it something else entirely? Because I really could not help but wonder if that recent mishap she had when she got her hair caught in a fan, at a concert. Had anything to do with her decision to go short. I mean seriously, it was stuck in the fan.
[Seales:] Yeah.
[Hammer:] She was a true pro, she went on with the show. But let me go to Hyla, he is an entertainment host with us tonight from Hollywood. Hyla, I don`t know about you, I`m on stage at a concert performing, which would never happen, but my long hair gets stuck in a fan. I`m considering cutting it off.
[Hyla, Entertainment:] Yeah, yes, if that happens to you, A.J., I want to know what you are singing and who you are singing with, but yes, if that happens to you, of course that is what you`re going to do. But when it`s Beyonce, this is what she does. She is a trend setter. And she is always changing up her looks. It doesn`t matter it feels back in the day with "Destiny`s Child" or "Austin Powers" here that she is going on. Her Pepsi ads or even her HBO especial, where she just looked completely natural. This girl switches it up. And here is the thing. While the hair is definitely drastic. She could be back to long hair next week. So, I don`t know if it`s as big of a deal.
[Hammer:] It wouldn`t take too much, because I thought of all that would have to happen, now with the short due, she`d have to change up her choreography. Look at the way she whips her hair around, when she`s on stage. She actually even acted a hair spokesperson for Clairol.
[Announcer:] Hair you`re placing into doll and flat. Come at this charismatic?
[Unidentified Female:] I want it.
[Announcer:] This multi....
[Unidentified Female:] I want it.
[Announcer:] Now, the shimmer I want is a shimmer I view. And they are worth it.
[Hammer:] We`ll, sure, it`s worth it. And listen, if the law in here doesn`t come back, there will be no more of the hair flinging. I mean I can`t I got nothing, there`s nothing happening here. Halle Berry, however, comes to mind, because she still pulls off commercials with her short hair. So, Amanda, is there any doubt that the Beyonce appeal is still very much there and perhaps even bigger tonight?
[Seales:] Oh, I`m sure that we will within the next 48 hours start seeing many a cropped blonde do in the streets. You know, if Beyonce came out in a tutu it would be all the rage.
[Hammer:] Maybe she was influenced by Miley Cyrus somehow when Miley cut her no, I don`t think so.
[Seales:] I hope she doesn`t start working like Miley.
[Hammer:] Well, yes, that would be bad. Let`s move on in today`s buzz makers countdown to number four, now this is kind of a cringe worthy admission coming from Olympic great Michael Phelps. Apparently everybody is doing it though, especially Olympic stars. So Michael gave this brand new interview to TMZ and he confirms our worst fears. Everyone pees in the pool, it`s normal for everyone to pee in the pool. In fact, you remember Ryan Lochte offered up the same admission, and he took a few fun jabs over, but he still laughed it off in an appearance on the "Today" show. Remember this?
[Unidentified Male:] You admitted to Ryan that from time to time, help me out here, you pee in the pool?
[Ryan Lochte:] Yeah. I mean sometimes you`ve just got to go.
[Hammer:] OK, Hyla, here you have two world class swimmers giving the thumbs up to relieving yourself in the pool. I`m going to go on record right now and say, in my entire life, even as a small child, I never peed in the pool.
[Hyla:] Well, I`m glad that he`s doing it in the pool and not necessarily during the interview. So, that is a plus for both of those guys. I think this is a bad message for kids. I was yelled at all the time, I was told that the water would turn colors if I peed in the pool and now I learn that that was a lie the whole time.
[Hammer:] I love that. And do you remember the sign, I don`t know if you can see this, Charles, I just made up my sign, welcome to our pool, notice that there is no pee in it, please keep it that way. That was always one of my favorite [inaudible] they never saw that sign. But we move now from swimming pools to quite possibly jumping the shark. This is number three on our buzz makers countdown tonight. David Hasselhoff, we love the Hoff. He is with the shark and a piano I believe we have pure TV gold, my friends, pure gold.
[David Hasselhoff:] It`s time to unwind, take a seat or a drink and welcome to shark after dark. Yeah, I`m [inaudible]. Just he is the host [inaudible], Bob the Shark and I`m the Hoff shark after dark.
[Hammer:] Yeah, I mean, I feel groovy right now just sitting here watching that. A little taste of Discovery Channel`s hark after dark. That is their special that`s airing all this week for shark week. Hasselhoff made up a theme show, he did it right on the spot. Amanda, I get to know, for you perhaps the greatest thing you have ever seen on television?
[Seales:] I mean, it is definitely up there. I would love to have been in that production meeting when they decided that this was a good idea. It`s definitely taking a leap. They could be jumping the shark. But, you know, it`s shark week. So, hey, you know, it`s just bite into it and see what happens. I love it. And he is actually hitting those notes.
[Hyla:] Of course, he is the Hoff, man.
[Seales:] My bad, my bad.
[Hyla:] I don`t think he Charles can we play it again, I`m sorry, I can`t get enough of this. I want to see him.
[Hasselhoff:] It`s time to unwind, take a seat or a drink and welcome to shark after dark. Yeah, baby. Josh, he is the host tearing tweets off the shark and I`m the Hoff "Shark After Dark."
[Hammer:] Now that shark week is drawing so close, I don`t know if there is any truth to the rumor, but I`m going to look into it, that HLN after dark is looking to get the Hoff to sing their theme song. Hyla, come on, you`ve got to love the Hoff, right? This is no shark jumping here, this is the Hoff, man.
[Hyla:] I think you guys have been drinking too much Michael Phelps pool water. This is horrible. This is really bad, and here`s the thing: like Discovery has a great franchise with shark week, it is huge. But you know what I think it`s short of just throwing humans into shark infested waters and letting them go to town, they are scraping the barrel of trying to top themselves every single year. Now, unless they are taking, you know, shark week to Germany. I understand why you are bringing the Hoff into the mix. But this is horrible.
[Hammer:] He`s a megastar in Germany, of course, shark week is huge here in the United States. You may be on to something there. But look, Amanda, you`ve got you`ve got to believe one of the best things about David Hasselhoff is the fact that, look, he is in on the joke.
[Seales:] Yes.
[Hammer:] He is not really up there trying to impress everybody with the crooning and this shark [inaudible] of piano.
[Seales:] That`s what I love about it. He is not taking himself seriously. I mean, at this point in his career, like this is to me, those stance you`ve got to take. Like I know y`all think I`m a joke. . laughing with you.
[Hammer:] And look, Hyla, at least they did not, you know, put him on the floor with the shark fighting over a cheeseburger. Or something like that. But seriously, give the Hoff a little credit. Can`t we hear, you know,, this is now sort of the wave that he is riding, no pun intended.
[Hyla:] Yes, OK, he is riding the wave and he is doing something with his career. I don`t know if it`s a successful thing. But he is doing something. So, yes, high five to the Hoff for that.
[Hammer:] Listen, when sharks flying out of the sky being cut up by chainsaws, by Ian Ziering from 90210 can be the huge hit that it is, in Sharknado, I think that Hoff on TV, playing with the shark, I think it`s all good. Love for everybody. Stay right where you are. Number`s two and one on our buzz makers countdown, coming right up. But from "Shark Week" now to proof that TV has really gone to the dogs. And I mean it because there`s this new TV network for man`s best friend.
[Jeanne Moos, Cnn Correspondent:] Look, it looks just like you. Look. It`s just like you. No wonder it`s just like her, it`s dog TV.
[Hammer:] I`d watch this but your pup now getting his or her own TV channel, is it worth the extra milk bones that you will have to shell out for the new cable channel? We`re going to show you, and we will let you decide. And wait until you see what we have named tonight as our moment of SHOWBIZ awesomeness. I promise you will not be disappointed. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, SBT on HLN.

[Becky Anderson, Cnn:] A nation with a new leader and a new determination to assert its influence on an increasingly volatile region. Under the stewardship of King Salman, Saudi Arabia taking the lead in an Arab coalition aiming to hold a Houthi Shia uprising in neighboring Yemen. Airstrikes have been underway for 11 days. A ground operation still very much in the offing. As Saudi's traditional allies in the west seemingly grow closer to its old rival Iran, Riyadh reminding the world it is still a force to be reckoned with. Well, I'm Becky Anderson. And this is Connect the World live throughout this week from Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia.
[Announcer:] Well, we join you this week from the powerhouse of the Sunni world, never far from the headlines, a nation entering a new era with a point, it seems, to prove. Saudi Arabia wants stability throughout this region, most pressingly in Yemen. Throughout this week we'll be live from Riyadh as we investigate how the country is putting its plans into action. Well, you're looking at exclusive CNN video of what's left of the international airport in Yemen's capital. Saudi-led forces have unleashed a barrage of airstrikes on Sanaa to root out Houthi rebel forces. Now despite this offensive, rebels still control the capital city and are gaining ground in the south. Our crews captured this footage during a rare four hour window there while those airstrikes were halted to allow the evacuation of some of the thousands of people trying to get out of Yemen. Our senior international correspondent Nima Elbagir was on that flight.
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, we're on the ground. You can see the runway is unharmed, but all around it you really get a sense of the impact of those Saudi airstrikes. You can see behind me some of the aircraft carriers, some of the military aircraft all destroyed. All the while we've been here this Houthi military police car has been circling the plane. Time really is of the essence of this evacuation operation. And it's ticking down. We're waiting for the passengers to be brought on, but they're still nowhere to be seen.
[Anderson:] Well, Nima joining us now live. Nima, what you witnessed quite remarkable. You talked about the dereliction and the desperation on the ground. What more did you see?
[Elbagir:] Well, soon after finally the passengers began arriving, Becky, and they were just running towards that plane only able to take on what they could carry. Many had been in Yemen for decades and they'd left all of that behind. This operation that the Indians are carrying out the Indians, the Russians, the Chinese trying to get as many of their nationals and any others that can come to either port or airport out of Yemen. It's really been extraordinarily complicated and so huge in scope. I want you to take a listen to what the Indian deputy foreign minister said to us. He's here overseeing this operation. Take a listen, Becky.
[Gen. Vijay Kumar Singh, Indian Min. Of State For External Affairs:] Our aim is to take out maximum people. We have, if you count today's number, in excess of 2,500 we would have evacuated to Indian in a humanitarian effort, nationalities don't matter. We look at everybody in a manner in which we can assess them. So we have got besides Indians, who remain the first priority, who always will be first priority for the government of India, but anybody else coming we have been evacuating them.
[Elbagir:] Already 2,500 people, but it really absolutely gives you a sense of how many they've managed to get out, but also how many tens of thousands are still trapped inside of Yemen unable to get to those crucial points, the ports, the airports able to get to safety, Becky.
[Anderson:] What have you got there? Nima Elbagir reporting for you. Well, we are also trying to get to [inaudible] where Nic Robertson will be standing by for you. The communications not easy. That down on the southern border of Saudi with Yemen. We'll get to Nic just as soon as we can. Well, multiple news outlets say the Kenyan air force has bombed two al Shabaab camps in Somalia, Nairobi's first major response to last week's university attack. The air strikes on the camps in the Jido region come just days after al Shabaab militants massacred nearly 150 people at Garissa University in eastern Kenya. Well, meanwhile Kenyan authorities are hoping a reward for a lead to the capture of the man they believe planned the massacre. CNN's Christian Purefoy has more on the manhunt and the lingering impact of that deadly attack.
[Christian Purefoy, Cnn Corresospondent:] Kenyan authorities have named what they say is the mastermind behind the attack that killed 147 people at Garissa University. He's a man in charge of the militia along the long porous border of Somalia and cross border attacks into Kenya. But here's what we know so far. [voice-over]: This morning, Kenya on heightened alert. Even Easter prayers, shaken. The security checks outside churches. Kenyan forces on guard after the terrorist group al Shabaab threatened, quote, "another bloodbath," over the weekend. Relatives, grieving, in complete anguish as Kenyan forces remain on the lookout for the al Shabaab militant behind the Garissa University attack that killed nearly 150 people. The government says Mohamed Mohamud, wanted for a bounty of more than $200,000, is the mastermind. Known by other aliases, the former religious teacher is the regional al Shabaab commander in the Juba region of Somalia. According to a ministry document given to CNN, the al Qaeda linked militant is in charge of external operations against Kenya. Garissa sits on one of the longest religious fault lines in the world. A largely Christian sub-Saharan Africa to the south and a mostly Muslim population to the north.
[Unidentified Male:] Our forefathers bled and died for this nation and we will do everything to defend our way of life.
[Purefoy:] Meanwhile, Kenyan's interior ministry identifying another attacker, this man, an apparent home-grown terrorist, Kenyan Abdirahim Abdullahi. The 20 something son of a Kenyan government chief of Somali dissent. His father says his law graduate son has been missing since 2013, last working for a bank. The ministry says he disappeared to Somalia last year. I think it's important that when we talk about these people and use phrases such as "mastermind," they are really just using the most basic means as possible to kill as many people as possible. Back to you.
[Anderson:] All right, Christian Purefoy reporting for you on Kenya. I want to get you back to the situation in Yemen. You heard from Nima Elbagir just a few minutes ago about what she witnessed when the plane that she traveled on from Djibouti to Sanaa landed in the Yemen capital. Our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson joins me now from Jizan on the Saudi-Yemen border with the latest developments from there. Nic, what can you tell us?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Becky, we've been up on the border today. And we've seen one of the new border posts up there. It's a combined border posts between the army, the Saudi army, and the border guards. They don't normally do this, normally it's the border guards alone, but they've reinforced the position there. It's high on the mountains. The commanders say that if they see Houthis coming towards them they will attack them. Soldiers there say that that outpost was most recently attacked about six days ago. But that's what we're seeing all along the border here is an increase in security, new sandbags in place, new heavy machine guns, new sniper rifles, new high powered binoculars and thermal imaging, new roads being built into the mountains, an increased number of security service personnel up there. And all of this is because the Saudis see the security situation in Yemen deteriorating, they believe that the Houthis want to attack them the Houthis have threatened to invade Saudi Arabia. Indeed, three Saudi servicemen have been killed so far they're border guards along the border. We went to talk with the father of one of them just yesterday. He said he was proud of his son, but his son had had a job behind a desk, but had been rushed along, with other reinforcements, to the front line. His father said his son wanted to be there. The family has had huge support. The defense minister came down to meet them. The interior minister came down to meet them. The defense minister, of course, the next but one in line to the throne here. So a lot of official support being given to that family and the deceased border guard's 7-year-old son shown a lot of affection by these military and political leaders here, Becky.
[Anderson:] Nic, how would you describe the scope of the military effort in the region that you are in, which of course is along this incredibly long and porous border with Yemen. And any evidence to date of incursion from Saudi into Yemen? And how significant would that be if that indeed were to happen?
[Robertson:] It would be significant if it did happen. We when we go to the border, go under escort with Saudi border guards. We're not free to go down there ourselves as the controlled zone. So that's the way we get our access. But from what we've seen, predominately, the Saudi army is aligned behind the border guards. Where we were today, they were together, but principally behind. Tanks, perhaps, half a mile behind those border guards who are riht on top of the border line itself. We've seen camps of army reinforcements, hospitals, communications equipment, you know, repair equipment sort of ready to support that operation close to the border. We've seen heavy army and tanks move towards the border. But it seems at the moment as if the army is postured here in a defensive position. But this is a zone where there is a real security concern. There are additional checkpoints around the cities. I hear fighter jets flying overhead now. We hear them occasionally. The schools in this area close to the border are closed. They remain closed. Just this weekend, however, the government said that government offices could reopen in this area. So there's a lot of concern. This is a changed environment. I was here two months ago, Becky, and it's different now.
[Anderson:] Nic Robertson reporting from very close to the border in the south of this country. This is Connect the World coming to you live from Riyadh in Saudi Arabia. A country taking a more asserted stance in regional affairs. Coming up, opposition from inside Yemen over the destruction caused by the Saudi-led airstrikes like this one. And I'm not talking about pro-Houthi factions here. We're going to hear from an activist who doesn't want to see any outside involvement. But let's be clear this isn't simply about Saudi Arabia wanting to quell a rebellion just across its border, we break down Riyadh's bigger aim, if you will, when it comes to exerting influence. And the kingdom is not the only one growing its profile. My interview with Jordan's Prince El Hassan and how his country is getting involved not only in Yemen, but also in the fight against ISIS. All that is coming up. First, though, we're getting some gruesome details of Iraqi government forces are finding in Tikrit. Just days after driving out ISIS militants, they found at least eight mass graves. And it's believed the victims were Iraqi soldiers captured and executed by the group last June. CNN's Arwa Damon was at one of the grave sites in Tikrit just a short time ago. She filed this report.
[Arwa Damon, Cnn International Correspondent:] Three bodies have been recovered from this particular site so far and the teams are working on a fourth that they just pulled out of the dirt and placed inside another of these bags. The hands on this particular corpse were bound and we did see them on some of the others. This is very difficult work for the teams. And it's also emotionally difficult as well. Earlier, there was an impromptu ceremony held here to commemorate those who had been killed. Many people were in tears. Now in this particular site they're saying so far and they've been working for about four or five hours now, they have found nine bodies. This is a fairly large mound. They believe in this location they might end up finding about 20 or 30. So far, they have pinpointed eight sites here inside the presidential compound in Tikrit scattered throughout this sprawling area. Another two locations have been identified outside of the city on the way to camp Spiker. Now the vast majority of these casualties, and you see the corpse, the remains being carried away there, but the vast majority of these casualties, if not all of them, are believed to have been the victims of what is now known as the Camp Spiker massacre when ISIS fighters brutally, mercilessly murdered hundreds if not upwards of 1,500 recruits when they first took over this area back in June. The families of the dead have desperately been waiting for answers about what happened to their sons. Many of them had been pleading with the government to get this process quickly underway. But even though it has begun, it is going to take a very long time to actually exhume all of these various bodies, and then DNA testing will be underway as well. What we are hearing from one survivor we spoke to earlier and from experts on the site is that ISIS divided them up into smaller groups and then executed them at various different locations. One survivor who is hear who we spoke to came back, because he said he wanted to look for his friends. Arwa Damon, CNN, Tikrit, Iraq.
[Anderson:] Well, still to come tonight, ISIS extending its reach. We show you the terror group is recruiting in Afghanistan in an exclusive report. That is in about 20 minutes time. But first as the sun goes down here with the call to prayer behind me, how is the Saudi-led war against Houthis in Yemen being viewed from here in Riyadh and in the capital of Yemen, Sanaa? That's after this.

[Whitfield:] All right, the stakes just got higher for a woman accused of pushing her husband over a cliff just a few days after they got married. Our CNN's Casey Wian has that update for us.
[Casey Wian, Cnn Correspondent:] Fred, a not guilty plea to first- degree murder charges for newlywed killer Jordan Graham.
[Wian:] Prosecutors originally charged Montana newlywed Jordan Graham with second-degree murder for pushing her husband, Cody Johnson, off this cliff in Glacier National Park. But now a grand jury has added a charge of premeditated first-degree murder, which carries a minimum sentence of life in prison. The couple was only married for eight days when they got into a fight on July 7th. Still upset they decided to take a hike where the fighting continuing. Things got physical and Johnson pushed her husband in the back, sending him face first off a cliff. Prosecutors say Graham admitted nine days later to pushing Johnson off the cliff in a fit of anger. Her defense attorneys say it was all an accident and following her arrest last month, Graham was allowed to live here with her parents under home confinement, where she remains today. Levi and Lytaunie Blasdel have known Graham since childhood. Levi introduced the couple. Levi says the bride-to-be was acting strangely before they walked down the aisle.
[Levi Blasdel, Friend Of Couple:] She was crying hysterically before she even got to the altar. There was no joy that she was about to get married.
[Wian:] After her husband's death the Blasdels say they noticed more strange behavior from the widowed bride.
[Lytaunie Blasdel, Friend Of Couple:] Whenever I saw her she was just herself. Nothing happened. No emotion, nothing. It was her same old life. So we always had that bit in the back of our mind saying I think she may be involved.
[Wian:] Graham is also charged with making false statements about her husband's death to authorities for allegedly concocting a story about a trip to the part with out of town guests. Her attorney admits she has been deceptive to authorities, but he calls the murder charges reprehensible Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, thanks so much, Casey Wian. All right, he's an outspoken former pro-wrestler and no stranger to shaking things up in the political world. Jesse Ventura is at it again. We'll tell you what he's up to now next.

[Camerota:] I want to show you a live look at Lower Manhattan right now. Tonight, on the anniversary of 911, these Twin Towers of light shine up into the night sky from the World Trade Center. And a ceremony, honoring the victims was held at the site earlier today. It's still so emotional to hear all of those names read out by their loved ones. Meanwhile, the fight against ISIS grows. A U.S. official tells CNN that the Pentagon has begun surveillance flights over Syria in an effort to gather intelligence before any possible air strikes. Let's talk about the president's strategy with Congressman Brad Sherman. He's a California Democrat and member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. And Congressman Trent Franks. He's an Arizona Republican on the Armed Services Committee. Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here.
[Rep. Trent Franks , House Armed Services Committee:] Happy to be here.
[Camerota:] Congressman Franks, let me start with you. The president laid out, in his speech to the country, a four-pronged approach to destroying ISIS. He said more air strikes in Iraq and Syria; support for local fighters on the ground; cut off funding of ISIS; and provide more humanitarian aid to innocent civilians. Do you agree with his strategy?
[Franks:] Well, you know, the president said many things that we shouldn't do that I think was a mistake. But the things that he said we should do, ironically, were very much in keeping with the Bush Doctrine. And I find it incredible, because you know, George Bush warned that, if we left Iraq before our commanders said we were ready, that we would see horrific killings on a mass scale. And that we would have to return to Iraq with troops at some point, perhaps to face an enemy that was even more dangerous. And I really believe that Barack Obama owes George Bush an apology. Along with the men and women who fought in Iraq and watched their blood-bought gains evaporate as the president of the United States stood idly by with a golf club in his hand.
[Camerota:] And will you support his plan now for air strikes?
[Franks:] I do support his plan for air strikes, yes.
[Camerota:] Congressman Sherman, what are what are your thoughts on the president's plan?
[Rep. Brad Sherman , Foreign Affairs Committee:] Well, first in response to how we got here. It was the last administration that installed Maliki in office. And this is a man who, ruling from Baghdad, created the ground in which ISIS grew. Maliki expelled us from Iraq. Maliki would not negotiate an agreement to keep our forces in limited numbers in Iraq, past I believe it was 2011. And George Bush couldn't negotiate that deal with Maliki, and George Bush had installed him. To blame the president for not being able to deal with the problem that had been installed in Baghdad, it any way that's ancient history. I support the idea of using our air power to degrade and confine ISIS. But what I don't want to see are thousands of American troops on the ground. Unfortunately, with just air power, we will not be able to completely obliterate ISIS any time soon.
[Camerota:] Uh-huh. I want to play for you an interesting moment in Saudi Arabia today, where Secretary of State Kerry was asked if, in fact, the U.S. is now at war with ISIS. Here's what he said to that.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] I think that's the wrong terminology. What we are doing is engaging in a very significant counterterrorism operation. And it's going to go on for some period of time. If somebody wants to think about it as being a war with ISIL, they can do so, but the fact is it's a major counterterrorism operation that will have many different moving parts.
[Camerota:] Congressman Franks, why not call it a war?
[Franks:] Well, we should. ISIS certainly believes it's a war. Mr. Kerry also said that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, which would come to a tremendous surprise to ISIS. This president can't seem to even call terrorism "terrorism." He called terrorism at Fort Hood "workplace violence." He called terrorism across the world "overseas contingencies." I mean, next he'll be calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists." We cannot engage an enemy that we can't understand or even say what they are on a strategic level. And I think that finally this president is beginning to understand how dangerous this enemy is. Unfortunately, how many beheadings, and crucifixions, and rapes, and torture, and murder did it take before he finally got a clue?
[Camerota:] Congressman Sherman, are we at war?
[Sherman:] I think we're at war. I think we ought to follow the War Powers Act and have separate votes in Congress on whether we should arm and train the Syrian rebels; whether we should authorize air strikes against ISIS; and whether we should authorize and I wouldn't be for this ground operations against ISIS. But Congress ought to vote on this and not have the president say, well, since in 2001, 13 years ago today, it caused us just a couple weeks thereafter to get, to pass an authorization to go after al Qaeda. ISIS is not al Qaeda, and we ought to have a separate vote.
[Camerota:] Gentlemen, thank you. We've run out of time, but thanks for taking the time to give us your perspective tonight.
[Sherman:] Thank you.
[Franks:] Glad to be here.
[Camerota:] All right. We have not heard many voices against the president's plan to destroy ISIS by using air strikes. But we're about to talk to one vocal opponent. What happens when we put her together with a terrorism analyst? We'll find out next.

[Maggie Lake:] Markets on Wall Street stage a strong rally to start the week. It's Monday, the 18th of August. This hour, President Obama will address the crisis in Iraq, as well as the civil unrest in Missouri. It follows the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer. The curfew is off, but the National Guard has been called. We'll examine the role social media is playing in the protests. I'm Maggie Lake, this is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Good evening. Tonight, we're awaiting critical developments on stories we'll following in the United States and the Middle East. At the White House, President Obama is expected to speak momentarily about the situation in Iraq and Ferguson, Missouri. We're also expecting to hear developments from cease-fire talks in Cairo. With less than one hour left before a truce between Israel and Gaza expires, we're getting conflicting reports about whether or not a deal has been reached. We begin tonight's program in the US city of Ferguson, Missouri. We are hearing conflicting reports of events that led to the shooting and killing of an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown, by a white police officer. For the first time, CNN has verified an account of the officer's side of the story given by a woman identified as "Josie," who called a St. Louis radio station. She said, in effect, that Brown rushed officer Darren Wilson before shots were fired.
[Ktfk, St. Louis, Missouri:] So, he goes in reverse back to them, tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently, I think he said Michael did. And then, he opened his car again, tries to get out. And as he stands up, Michael just bum-rushes him, just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face, and then, of course, Darren grabs for his gun, and Michael grabs the gun. At one point, he got the gun totally turned against his hip, and Darren shoves it away, and the gun goes off. Well, then, Michael takes off with his friend, they get to be about 35 feet away, and Darren of course, protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, "Freeze!" Michael and his friend turn around, and Michael starts taunting him, "Oh, what are you going to do about it? You're not going to shoot me!" And then he said all of a sudden, he just started to bum rush him, he just started coming at him full speed, and so he just started shooting, and he just kept coming. So, he really thinks he was on something, because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And then so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two, three feet in front of the officer.
[Lake:] Hours ago in a press conference, an attorney for Michael Brown's family said an independent autopsy report provides ample evidence to support the arrest of the officer who shot him. Violence raged in Ferguson Sunday night as clashes with police ended in an intensified display of force form law enforcement. Protesters hurled Molotov cocktails at police, and several businesses were vandalized. For more on this, let's go to Don Lemon, who is live in Ferguson, Missouri. And Don, I have been watching you talking to residents there all day, and it seems the situation is still very tense, the people feel that they are being boxed in, and authorities are concerned that we'll have yet more violence.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Correspondent:] Absolutely. And you can hear some of it now.
[Lemon:] These are people who are just driving down the street honking, and what they are saying is in solidarity, Maggie, with the protesters who are standing here along the side of this road. You remember that I'm sure you've been reporting to your viewers that Quik Trip, and that is where that one was burned out and some of the looters and the rioters set that on fire, and it's really just a burned-out shell now. That had been, really, the meeting point for all of the protesters. Since then, I guess about two hours ago, Maggie, they moved everyone out of that area, and they moved them down to this area, and they're telling people here that they can still peacefully assemble, but they can't congregate. So, if you're walking and you're marching, that's fine, but if you're just standing around, you stand the possibility of being arrested. There had been some tensions because of the findings of the second autopsy and also because the National Guard is being brought in, the Governor, Jay Nixon, here in Missouri is bringing the National Guard in, and they should arrive at any moment. Also, as you said, the president of the United States is going to speak at any moment on this as well. It's really a tinder box here. Everyone is hoping that there isn't any more violence like there was last night, but every little thing any little thing can set someone off here, Maggie.
[Lake:] All right, Don. And you absolutely hear that in the voices of the people that you've been speaking to. Don Lemon for us in Ferguson, Missouri.
[Lemon:] Right.
[Lake:] The protests are continuing on social media, not only where Don is, but on social media. This is a map showing how the world has been tweeting about the shooting since it happened on August 9th. The hash tags act like a battle cry. "Hands Up Don't Shoot" echoes the chants of protesters on the ground in Ferguson, referring to claims that Michael Brown's hands were up in surrender when he was shot by a police officer. Hash tag "If I Was Gunned Down" was created by teens who shared misleading pictures of themselves that might be used if they had been the victim. NMOS14 calls for a national moment of silence for the Michael Brown shooting, and hash tag "I Got the Talk" was used by black people to share their experience talking with their parents about how they need to behave around police officers because of the color of their skin. CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter joins me now. And Brian, what's striking in this case is it's not just the news of the incident, which frankly, we've all gotten very used to with social media. The entire dialogue surrounding this is really playing out on social media, first and foremost.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] It's the debates that start as a result of this shooting that you see play out on Twitter and Facebook. Particularly Twitter, and it's worth highlighting the fact that there's a disproportionate number of African-American users in the United States on Twitter. I'm going to show you Pew data from last year. Among 18 to 29-year- olds who are Internet users, about 28 percent of whites use Twitter, 40 percent of blacks use Twitter.
[Lake:] Why? That's fascinating? Why is that?
[Stelter:] And it's a whole concept, actually, known as Black Twitter, a very active group online informally, not an actual group but people that use the hash tag called Black Twitter
[Lake:] A community.
[Stelter:] A community is probably the best word for it. That's where I personally first learned of the shooting and then of the protest afterward. I do think the traditional media outlets, like CNN, were alerted and informed about the shooting and the protests in part through social media. And every night, as we have seen the tensions between police and protesters, it has been sparked it has been seen in real time online, and then it eventually comes to television.
[Lake:] Brian, this is interesting because especially when we're focusing in on Twitter, it's 140 characters. This is an incredibly complex case legally, it is complex socially, it brings up these very sort of emotional issues. Is that an effective platform for this to be dominating? And are you surprised it's sticking there, as opposed to not jumping over into longer format areas.
[Stelter:] I'm struck that Facebook hasn't emerged as a more powerful organizing tool in this particular case. What I've been most struck by about Facebook is how there's been misleading content there. There have been fake profiles created of people involved in this case. There was a very nasty fake Facebook account for a woman who was alleged to be the wife of the Ferguson police chief. Well, it was fake, but the comments on it were very ugly, and it got a lot of attention before it was confirmed to be a hoax. Twitter, on the other hand, because of its real time nature, allows people to feel like they're there and feel like they're participating. It's one thing to hear a television anchor say that non-lethal rounds are being used, like rubber bullets. It's another thing to see the wound from the rubber bullet in a man's neck, to see the bloody injury. And that kind of image can be shared on Twitter instantaneously, assuming, of course, there's Internet or AT&T or Verizon or some sort of cell phone access. It's somewhat similar to what we saw during the Occupy Wall Street movement a couple of years ago. The difference now, of course, is that even more people are using these social networking sites.
[Lake:] And it's interesting for us, because from a business perspective, we've seen Twitter struggle to define itself to Wall Street, to business community. It has no trouble doing that in these events. People really understand the power of the hash tag
[Stelter:] You're absolutely right
[Lake:] and turn to Twitter.
[Stelter:] want to put an advertisement in the middle of all these debates and conversations. It might not be the best place to put an ad for your shampoo or for your sneakers. But it is a place where people can organize, and I think that hash tag, "If They Gunned Me Down" is especially reflective of that.
[Lake:] Absolutely. Brian, thank you so much.
[Stelter:] Thank you.
[Lake:] Now, people in Ferguson have been using camera phones and a service called Livestream to broadcast the events on the ground in real time. Now, these people can go where the traditional media, with their trucks and heavy cameras, can't always go, directly into the center of the action. Max Haot is the co-founder and CEO of Livestream, and he joins me now. Max, thank you so much for being with us. It's a pleasure to meet you. This has sort of been an extraordinary week, I'm sure for you, too. This is a technology that was necessarily intended to be used in this type of event, is it?
[Max Haot, Ceo, Livestream:] Well, we our mission is to democratize live video for events, anything from sports, a conference, to even religious events. And sometimes, we find that breaking news is a great use case for the technology we bring. And what's very different about Livestream is that everybody knows Skype and Hangout for one-on-one live video. But with Livestream, if you use our iPhone app or one of these products that you can attach to any camera, you can broadcast to one or two people, but we have the scale that if a hundred thousand, a million people want to see that video, our service will allow you to deliver that. So, it's democratizing what, for example, CNN does within this reach, and if there's really compelling content, and with the power of Twitter and Facebook to spread the word very quickly, you can easily reach audiences that are bigger or as big as television. But also we can report where sometimes a television crew cannot go, because we don't have a full TV truck
[Lake:] Right.
[Haot:] but something much smaller.
[Lake:] Which is what we've seen in this case, and in Ferguson, they have, in fact, been limiting the movement of traditional journalists, penning them in. You saw Don there, before. They're restricting where press credentialed press can go, but it's very hard for them to do that when citizens are armed with this type of technology. We've covered your company before, we talked about it in the context of concerts. I thought we I think we had a feeling that professionals would somehow be using it. But we're seeing people who don't have that much experience pick this up and be able to use it.
[Haot:] Yes, it's a great story. It's actually a radio station that brought the first live coverage from Ferguson a few days ago, and they'd actually bought the equipment to do concerts, to cover different concerts that they had in their community. And then, they decided to use it and go out there. The first night, they actually used the Livestream iPhone app, and they switched to the night shot filter, and they were able to bring some incredible reporting right from the ground, and obviously, the media were being stopped. But with an iPhone, it's very hard to stop somebody being there.
[Lake:] Yes.
[Haot:] And they decided to upgrade their coverage, so now they're covering a press conference, different events in the community, at church, and they use this type of camera that has a zoom and this little box that Livestream provides. And it's literally a full TV truck, but it allows them to bring this live coverage to millions, but within this form
[Lake:] And we talk about technology being disruptive, and this is certainly an example of how that is the case. Is there a danger or risk, here we're talking about people who are in a situation, perhaps an emotionally fraught situation, and even if you take it out of Ferguson, there is the danger of one side of a story or a particular angle that we don't know the whole context of the story. Is there a sort of down side or risk you worry about if everybody is a Livestreamer?
[Haot:] Ultimately, it's no different than Twitter or blogging. And these people are not creating new content. They literally are just capturing what is happening there. So, they're very rarely editorializing it, which is, I think, where the danger can be, and actually bringing you a first view that you couldn't get. Livestreaming is all about bringing you to the event, you can't be there, you'd like to be there to actually know what really is going on not in this case, because of the safety issue. And with live video, you can feel like you're there and make your own opinion about what is happening there. We've had many movement, including Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, and democratizing live video is especially important where democracy is not there. Obviously, in countries where the only way to broadcast live is through state-controlled television, we've seen many use case where this is really important to empower the people to broadcast and again, not to one or ten people, but millions of people if there is an interest in that stream and people can find it.
[Lake:] That's where we talk about changing the game. Quickly, Max, before we go, because we are waiting for the president to speak live, price point on these? If you already have an iPhone, what would this cost someone?
[Haot:] Our service is free with the iPhone and Android, and you can download the Livestream app from the app store. And then, these cameras are usually a few hundred dollars, and this device, called a broadcaster, is $495. So, for a few hundred dollars, you can have something that looks really compelling with zoom and great audio. Citizen journalism and journalists or people that want to cover events can just start with their phone, and it's all about democratizing and bringing events to people that wish they were there, and they can't be there, breaking news, or sport, and many other events.
[Lake:] That's right. Well, it's wide use, but we're certainly seeing it playing out in an extraordinary way in Ferguson. Thank you so much, Max Haot, for being with us.
[Haot:] Thank you for having me, Maggie. Thank you.
[Lake:] We are still waiting, as I mentioned, for President Obama to address the situation in Ferguson. He's due to speak any minute now in Washington. In the meantime, after the break, market worries about the crisis in Ukraine show signs of easing following progress in cease-fire talks

[Baldwin:] As we're learning about more and more young Muslims leaving the west to train with extremists in places like Yemen, a unique solution has now been developed in the Netherlands. It's called the Dutch radicalization hotline. Hotline, yes. This is a phone number mothers and fathers can call if they fear their son or daughter is falling under the influence of radical Islam and considering fleeing home to the Middle East. Nadette De Visser wrote about his in "the Daily Beast. " Nadette joins me from Amsterdam. And Nadette, I mean, it's a fascinating read, this notion of actually setting up a hotline. How exactly does this work?
[Nadette De Visser, Contributor, The Daily Beast:] Well, it's very interesting initiative. It started from the community, the Moroccan community in the Netherlands itself. And it is basically a phone line that people can call into, and they will find different volunteers who are all based in different cities around Netherlands. And people can call in if they have any kind of questions about the process their kids are going through really.
[Baldwin:] Forgive me. You quote, just in part of your piece, I know one of the managers of the hotline told I this, quote, "a young father called me because his young son vanished a few days ago. He said I don't care if you have him arrest. He'd rather have his child in jail than in the hands of ISIS. Are there more young Muslims, you know, in the Netherlands leaving to join what they call jihad from, you know, the Netherlands or even like Belgium? And what kinds of communities are they really coming from?
[De Visser:] Yes, it's a quite substantial problem, actually, if you look at the figures. It's relatively alarming in the sense that the Netherlands and Belgium are two relatively small countries with a community that is less than 1.5 million Muslims. And the figure of people actually traveling to Syria and Iraq is estimated about 400 to 500 young people, conservative figures which is a lot if you compare it to France, which is a much bigger country with a community of Muslims of around seven million, which has only about 700 to 800 people actually having left.
[Baldwin:] But then, Nadette, of those numbers, you also write specifically about the attraction and we have done an entire segment on this of about young women who are lured by the self-proclaimed Islamic state. Why is that?
[De Visser:] Yes. Well, I talked to two representatives from the radicalization hotline, and what they described to me is lately there have been more women traveling towards Syria and Iraq to join jihadist groups. What I was the profile of these young women is basically that if you are consider the fact that they are coming from relatively conservative backgrounds where they are expected to be harmonizing and obedient, they that's what their family expects of them. But the moment they go into Dutch society, they have a completely different things are expected from them, like they should be emancipating or they should be standing up for their rights. And this is sort of a conficteous expectation. So and if you then look at what the propaganda of, for instance the ISIS, sort of sends out through different social media channels is that if they joined jihadist pool, they can be this independent, strong woman who can actually take up arms against infidels. And on the hard
[Baldwin:] Hard to imagine that. It is hard to imagine that sort of allure and the trap really. Nadette De Visser with "the Daily Beast," thank you so much on this hotline that's now been set up for parents. Thank you. Next, trial of the century. Twenty years later, hear what one key player O.J. Simpson's house guest Kato Kaelin anyone? What is he doing now? That's coming up.

[Burnett:] Our second story, OUTFRONT, insanity plea. So this came as a shock and so hard for many today. A judge today accepted a not guilty plea from the suspected Colorado movie theatre gunman. James Holmes defense is he's insane. He's now 25 years old. He is accused of killing 12 and wounding 58 in the horrific July 28th massacre last year. And the question tonight, does Holmes plea add up? Lonnie and Sandy Phillips are OUTFRONT. Their daughter Jessica was killed in that shooting last summer. Thanks very much to both of you. Sandy, I know that every day this is something that you're reliving and as this trial drags on, it has to be something that just does not go away. What was your reaction to the judge's decision to accept that insanity plea today?
[Sandy Phillips, Lost Daughter In Colorado Theater Shooting:] Actually, we were expecting it. We've had a very good relationship with the D.A. and the assistant D.A. in Denver who keep the families very aware of what's going on and what could happen and what might happen. And I don't think any of us were surprised by the tactic that they took, unfortunately.
[Burnett:] And as you say, unfortunately. Lonnie, you know, I have spoke Tom Teves who is another father and I know you know him, his son Alex was murdered that night, as well, in the shooting. And we had actually talked about this issue of whether James Holmes would be insane. He said he thought there's no way he was insane because he had planned this in advance and knew the repercussions of what he was going to do. And I know you know Tom well, too. I just wanted to play for you what he had to say and then get your reaction.
[Tom Teves, Father Of Shooting Victim:] If you're insane, you don't think what you're doing is wrong. If you don't think what you're doing is wrong then you don't need to create a diversion that will keep the first responders from stopping you andor capturing you. Also, one of the things that they put in there is he had on his dating site, because he had two dating sites that said, come visit me in jail. If you don't think it's wrong, you probably don't think you're going to jail.
[Burnett:] Lonnie, what is your feeling?
[Lonnie Phillips, Lost Daughter In Colorado Theater Shooting:] Well, Tom is a very emotional as I am about this and trying to keep controlled and think this thing through, neither one of us think that he is, the term crazy or mentally ill, he was seeing a psychiatrist. He had planned this too meticulously for it to be anything else other than to promote himself. How it plays out in court really doesn't matter that much to Sandy and I as long as he's not freed and I don't think that will ever happen. Where he spends the rest of his life or whatever they decide to do with him is really no matter to us. We have kind of written him out of our lives. He's a nonentity to us. [1915
[Caps) Lonnie Phillips:] He had planned this too meticulously for it to be anything else other than to promote himself. How it plays out in court really doesn't matter that much to Sandy and I as long as he's not freed and I don't think that will ever happen. Where he spends the rest of his life or whatever they decide to do with him is really no matter to us. We have kind of written him out of our lives. He's a nonentity to us.
[Sandy Phillips:] The only day we'll be in court is the day they sentence him and quite frankly the only insanity involved here is the fact that he was able to get his hands on all those weapons and 6,000 rounds of ammunition with not so much as a background check. That's the true insanity here.
[Lonnie Phillips:] For our society to allow that to happen without a background check of somebody with his history, the fact that his parents knew he had a history and allowed it to go on and to allow him to get his hands on those kind of weapons is what I consider true insanity.
[Burnett:] And
[Sandy Phillips:] In fact, I don't know if you know this, but the AR-15 that was used in Aurora as well as in the Newtown shootings
[Burnett:] Yes.
[Sandy Phillips:] had been banned until 2008. If that ban stayed in effect and if our leaders in the government had done their jobs, neither one of those shootings would have been anywhere near as catastrophic as they turned out to be.
[Burnett:] I mean, those are just points. Just frustrated so many people in the country who support what you believe in and the back ground checks. But Sandy, Lonnie just said something you said you'll be there on sentencing day, and in terms of sentencing that you Lonnie was saying that as long as he's never seen again. I know this has to be something you struggle with. And you've lost a daughter who lost her life and future. When you think of that tough choice of death penalty or life in prison, where do you fall on that decision?
[Sandy Phillips:] I'd like to personally I'd like to see him spend his life in jail. And I'd like to see him be in the general population. Which, of course, won't happen. But that would be perfection for me. But either way, I don't care if he gets the death sentence or not. It's just much quicker to have it over and done with if he's just sentenced to life.
[Burnett:] July 28th is going to be the one-year anniversary. And as I said, I know it's got to be every day for you, that you relive this and try to remember things about your daughter. But when people hear her name, Jessica, they say what do you want them to remember about her?
[Sandy Phillips:] The joy that she brought to life. She lived very fully. And enjoyed every moment. And taught people around her to do the same. And she's impacted a lot of lives in a very positive way. Even though she's no longer here. But she lived large and she lived joyously, and she lived with nothing but love in her heart for other people. And I was her biggest fan and she was my biggest fan and that's what I miss the most.
[Burnett:] Thank you for sharing just a little bit. We appreciate it. OUTFRONT next, the sink hole that swallowed part of a Florida neighborhood. It is a problem across this country, and we have a special report tonight on a new and massive hole. Plus, why did an airline take 100 kids off a plane? They were going on vacation. Did it have something to did with their religion? And in our "Outtake" tonight, a bird, a plane? A pepperoni pizza?

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY, everybody. It is money time. That means Christine Romans is here with all the business news you need to know.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Hi, guys. So, we had a little rally yesterday, I'm happy to report. Stock futures are solidly higher this morning. There was a 101-point gain on the Dow Tuesday. Investors taking some comfort in really, really strong housing data. A rocking good housing number and consumer confidence is good, too. One big mover, Barnes & Noble, tumbled 17 percent, look at that one, after reporting a big loss at its Nook e-reader division. So, that one bucks the trend. The controversy surrounding TV cook Paula Deen is not hurting her book sales. Paula Deen's new testament cookbook is now number 24 on the Amazon best seller list. The book doesn't come out until the fall. These are advanced orders, people lining up to buy this. The book was listed at 1,592 just two days ago. More pink slips for "Sesame Street". A report said the beloved children show is cutting about 10 percent of its staff, 30 employees. It's part of an overall overhaul. "Sesame Street" also cut jobs last year. Just two weeks ago, "Sesame Street" won six daytime Emmy Awards.
[Pereira:] You see them win these awards but the bottom line still has to be reached.
[Bolduan:] And then these cuts to funding.
[Cuomo:] So, not the characters.
[Romans:] No, no, no. You will see your favorite characters.
[Bolduan:] Don't take away my Big Bird. Big Bird e went political in 2012. And they're like he's too high maintenance, he's out.
[Cuomo:] It keeps my kids quiet.
[Romans:] We have toddlers, so "Sesame Street" is important.
[Pereira:] I would cut down on his feathers. You know what I mean? Like trim the feathers back.
[Bolduan:] Big Bird's hairstylist got fired.
[Cuomo:] New developments for you around the death of a man found near the home of NFL player, Aaron Hernandez. A judge has sealed all documents in the case. The Patriot's tight end is meeting with the top defense attorney. But police are still not calling Hernandez a suspect. Susan Candiotti is live in North Attleboro, Massachusetts, with the latest. Good morning, Susan.
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. Yes, a judge imposing a document lockdown in this ongoing murder investigation, pulling down the curtain even lower in this mysterious case.
[Candiotti:] A judge ordering all records kept under wraps in the murder investigation touching New England Patriot's tight end Aaron Hernandez. A notice pinned outside the clerk's office reads, "Impounded by the court."
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] The usual reason this occurs, is that the court and the judge have made a determination that a potential defendant might be deprived of a fair trial if the evidence is released prematurely.
[Candiotti:] In this case, there may be concern over one focus. Football player, Aaron Hernandez. Murder victim, Odin Lloyd, was a friend of Hernandez. Lloyd's body was found less than a mile from the football player's luxury home. Investigators have searched his house twice, removing more than a dozen bags of undisclosed items. What was taken could have been made public but the list is now under seal. Sealing documents is perfectly legal, however, some experts call it surprising because of so much public interest.
[Callan:] I think a feeling among the public that, you know, something shady may be going on behind closed doors. Now, we don't have any evidence that that's happening. But I know I think a lot of people feel that way.
[Candiotti:] On Tuesday, Hernandez got a visit from his criminal defense team, including Jamie Sultan, well-known in Boston for high- profile cases.
[Callan:] It would indicate to me that they take this investigation very seriously. This obviously is a career-ending event for Mr. Hernandez if he is ultimately charged with a crime.
[Candiotti:] Police are not calling Hernandez a suspect and a law enforcement source tells CNN no arrest warrant has been issued. Defense attorneys have issued a statement saying that Hernandez is being subjected to a flood of misinformation and rumor in the media, yet thanking the district attorney for is professionalism. The D.A. issued a statement of its own, saying, thanks for the compliment. But there is no resolution in this case yet for Aaron Hernandez nor for the victim or family of the victim, Odin Lloyd Chris and Kate.
[Cuomo:] All right. Susan, as uncomfortable as it is, it is about getting justice for that family.
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Cuomo:] And this is the process.
[Bolduan:] That often does get lost, especially when another person involved is so high-profile and so well-known. It is something we still must focus on. Still ahead on
[New Day:] the Swiss Air heist. How on earth did more than $1 million in cash disappear from a plane after it landed here in New York? Don't ask Cuomo. The latest on the airport robbery, just ahead.
[Cuomo:] And more plane problems. Another case of air rage: a woman dragged off a plane after she allegedly refused to turn off her cell phone, of all things. We are live with details.
[Bolduan:] Wow.

[Unidentified Female:] I keep hearing over and over is I never thought I'd need a food pantry, but here I am.
[Zoraida Sambolin, Cnn Anchor:] A deal to end the government shutdown said to be near this morning, but not coming soon enough for these furloughed workers feeling all of the pain.
[Unidentified Female:] I actually helped prop his body up in the proper position so they could perform the CPR.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] This is such a sad story. A heartbreak on a Carnival cruise ship, a child drowning on his family vacation. This morning, questions of safety on board. Could this have all been prevented?
[Alexis Wesley, Donated Kidney:] Saving your kidney for a rainy day is like saving a fire extinguisher while watching your neighbor's house burn.
[Sambolin:] Wow. A couple giving the gift of life and donating a kidney to complete strangers. The story behind their generosity.
[Berman:] It's a moving picture seeing both of them.
[Sambolin:] Isn't it incredible?
[Berman:] All right. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Sambolin:] And I'm Zoraida Sambolin. Thirty-one minutes past the hour. And this morning, we actually have good news to report from Washington. I guess it's good news. The leaders of the Senate, Democrat Harry Reid and Republican Mitch McConnell, say they are close to a deal to end the standoff that paralyze the capital, raising the debt ceiling and also reopening the government. But they aren't there yet and have two days to work out the details and get the House on board before a potential default.
[Sen. Harry Reid , Majority Leader:] I'm very optimistic and we will reach an agreement that's reasonable in nature this week, to reopen the government and pay the nation's bills and begin long term negotiations and put our country on sound fiscal footing.
[Sen. Mitch Mcconnell , Minority Leader:] Those discussions continue, and I share his optimism that we are going to get a result that will be acceptable to both sides.
[Sambolin:] So, the current framework outlined to CNN includes funding the government through mid-January and extending the debt ceiling until early February. Some changes to the Obamacare law would also be considered, including requiring income verifications for health care subsidies. Senate Republicans will sit down to discuss this potential compromise later this morning, but it could face an uphill battle in the House where Republicans yet to indicate how thee fell about striking any sort of deal that does not defund or delay the health care overhaul.
[Berman:] Yes, I don't want to be Debbie Downer, but it still has to get through the House and it could be very hard. And the timing of it is very dicey. It could be Thursday, Thursday when we're on that day where we hit the debt ceiling when they have the vote in the House, if they have a vote or it could drift past that. So, this is still going to be a very turbulent, volatile week.
[Sambolin:] But even when you look at the details, they are just kicking the can, right? February is a new deadline.
[Berman:] Budget talks in December. Government shut down or government, you know, stop being funded into January, debt ceiling in February. All we really do is kick the can down the road. The question is it six months, a year, two years? There's always more discussions further on. Be just good to get out of this crisis one way or another.
[Sambolin:] It's like another one is looming.
[Berman:] It's hurting real people as they are sitting and talking, no matter if they find a solution or not, the ripple effects are really being felt from coast-to-coast. The people feeling them, the furloughed government workers and it's really hurting them right where they live. CNN's Rene Marsh has that part of the story.
[Dee Alexander, Department Of Agriculture:] I'm not essential.
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] The day before the government shutdown, CNN met Dee Alexander, a secretary at the Department of Agriculture.
[Alexander:] You never really know what might happen because you don't know how long it's going to last.
[Marsh:] Two weeks later, the shutdown is still in effect and Alexander has stopped paying her car loan.
[Alexander:] Do you decide that I'm going to have somewhere to live at or do you decide that I'm going to pay my car note? And then you also have to figure out, what about food?
[Marsh:] On Saturday, she received the last paycheck she will get until the government reopens, $600 less than usual. Some of furloughed have turn to food banks for help, like this one in Maryland.
[Unidentified Female:] What I keep hearing over and over is, I never thought I would need a food pantry, but here I am.
[Marsh:] The ripple effect of the shutdown also means no more car recalls. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has stopped looking for automobile defects. And the Centers for Disease Control has stopped tracking infectious diseases like the flu, something the agency's former director says could have dire consequences, quote, "I can attest to the very real potential for unnecessary pain, suffering and death when the work of public health officials is curtailed," he wrote in a op-ed. And in South Dakota, ranchers digging out after an unexpected blizzard are dealing with tens of thousands of dead cattle. Call the U.S. Department of Agriculture for disaster assistance, and this is all they hear.
[Unidentified Male:] The U.S. Department of Agricultural offices are currently closed due to the lapse in federal government funding. The office will reopen once Congress restores funding.
[Marsh:] Well, at that one food pantry we showed you in the piece, roughly 200 people. Now, that's on top of the food that same group passed out to the same families last week. Clearly, after receiving that final paycheck, families are now beginning to feel the pinch. Rene Marsh, CNN, Washington.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Rene for that story. It's important to remember that real people are affected by this every day.
[Sambolin:] They need to restock those food pantries because they desperately needed them.
[Berman:] Important to do. The shutdown is also hitting the White House garden, First Lady Michelle Obama's prime joy. A blogger watching the garden says it's overrun with weeds and produce is rotting on the vine. The reason the shutdown means gardeners maintaining the White House grounds are down to skeleton crew and cannot actually tend to the garden or harvest the crops. White House workers who had been helping can't do it either because of the furloughs.
[Sambolin:] That's awful. An alliance of veteran groups plans to gather this morning at the World War II Memorial to call on Congress to end the shutdown and race the debt ceiling, calling themselves the military coalition. Leaders from 33 veterans organizations including the VFW, American Legion and Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America will make the case that the shutdown is hurting veterans, members of the reserves and their families by cutting off access to pay and to benefits.
[Berman:] Now to a truly heartbreaking story. A 6-year-old boy is dead after drowning on board a cruise ship. It happened on the carnival victory on last leg of a four-day Caribbean voyage. The young boy was swimming with his 10-year-old brother when a DJ saw him struggling, passengers tried to help but they could not revive the boy.
[Shaina Shaw, Passenger:] Out of nowhere, I heard all of this commotion. I actually lifted the boy up, I actually helped prop his body in proper position so they could perform the CPR. Everyone was crying. The family was distraught. They had to pull the mother away and the father. The father was next to his son pleading and begging his son to stay alive.
[Berman:] Drowning on cruise ships do not happen often. Cruise ships are not required to have lifeguards on duty. Parents are responsible for watching their children swim in these cruise ship polls. Carnival issued a statement saying it extends its sympathy and is offering assistance to the boy's family.
[Sambolin:] The Jerry Sandusky sex scandal has cost Penn State more than $50 million so far and that does not include 60 million set aside to settle civil claims from men who said they were sexually abused by the former assistant football coach. The university is also paying off a $60 million fine imposed by the NCAA. Sandusky is serving 30 to 60 years in prison for molesting 10 boys.
[Berman:] Affirmative action in college admissions is back before the Supreme Court today. The high court is considering a case for Michigan, challenging the state's voter approved ban on using racial and gender preferences in deciding who gets into college. Just a few months ago, the court said the University of Texas could continue to use racial criteria but made it harder for institutions to justify affirmative action policies.
[Sambolin:] Former President George W. Bush's heart condition apparently far more serious than was first reported. "The National Journal" says it was potentially life threatening. His main artery was 95 percent blocked. The 67-year-old had a stent put in to open that blockage. That was in August. The problem was discovered during his annual physical exam.
[Berman:] Good thing it was detected. President Obama has made a last-minute campaign video for New Jersey Senate hopeful Cory Booker. Tomorrow is the special election to fill the seat once held by the late Senator Frank Lautenberg. This video comes as Booker's lead against Republican Steve Lonegan has shrunk. It was quite large at one point. The latest poll still has him at 10 points, which is a pretty big lead the day before an election. This comes the video from President Obama a few days after former Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin campaigned for Lonegan in New Jersey.
[Sambolin:] New York State Republicans are floating a familiar name, Donald Trump, as a possible challenger to incumbent Governor Andrew Cuomo in next year's election. They believe if they can convince Trump to run, he would be a dynamic candidate and he may be the only Republican with the name recognition to pull off beating Cuomo. Right now, Trump says he is not particularly interested.
[Berman:] I'm sure he'll run just like every other time that he's run for office that we speculated on it oh, wait. Wal-Mart may have to absorb the costs of shopping spree spurred by a computer glitch. The glitch giving shoppers temporarily unlimited balances on government funded gift cards in two stores in Louisiana. You can see it. It happened Saturday. This is amateur video of it right now. The shopping carts were overflowing. Look at that! Shoppers were, obviously, excited. The store shelves were completely wiped out.
[Sambolin:] Computer glitch. All right. Retirement may just be a word for many Americans. A new survey finds at least 82 percent of those 50 and older plan who have jobs plan to keep working into their golden years. One reason, 43 percent said they have less than a hundred thousand dollars to get them through retirement. Wow. The director of the "A.P."NORC poll says it shows a shift in attitudes and more proof that retirement is no longer a complete exit from the workforce.
[Berman:] We shall keep pushing it back. Let's get a sense of what the weather holds today for people who are traveling perhaps. Tom Sater has the weather.
[Sambolin:] I'm nervous about that.
[Tom Sater, Ams Meteorologist:] Good Tuesday morning, everyone. A quick look at your weather across the U.S. but, first, travel delays. If we have any, a few trouble spots, strong area of low pressure, moving out of the Central Rockies, into the Upper Midwest. So, Chicago, thunderstorms, Minneapolis as well. Now, down to the South, a lot of moisture that's been moving in toward the state of Texas really from our tropical storm off the coast of Baja, California. So, call ahead if you have flights. Let's say into the Dallas Metroplex. Keep your seat belts fastened and tray tables in the upright locked position, because we are going to have heavy amounts of rain. Maybe two, four, maybe isolated 5-inch totals that will move into Texarkana, maybe in Little Rock, too. Back behind the front where the area of low pressure will be moving across Minnesota, look at the cooler autumnal weather, 45 in Denver area, you got 74 Dallas, slightly behind the front, cooler weather on the way into the plains. Still warm in the Southeast. Look for the low 80s to mid-80s into parts of Florida. Enjoy your Tuesday.
[Berman:] Good luck traveling to Chicago today. It's going to go well for you.
[Sambolin:] Don't worry.
[Berman:] So, for one San Diego couple, helping others has become a family affair. This is a lovely story. Meet Alexis and Charles Wesley. Last year, he donated his kidney to a stranger and now, she's done the same, giving her kidney to a man in New York. As far as we know, the first husband and wife to give away their kidneys using the National Kidney Registry.
[Alexis Wesley, Donated Kidney:] Saving your kidney for a rainy day is like saving your fire extinguisher while watching your neighbor's house burn.
[Charles Wesley, Donated Kidney:] You gave out maybe three or four weeks of your life in terms of having to go through recovery. But you can extend someone else's life by 10 or 15 years. I really wanted to be the person who is willing to do that.
[Berman:] Pretty generous people.
[Sambolin:] Wow.
[Berman:] The reason for their generosity? Their own children have a rare joint disorder that has required a lot of surgery. They've gotten so much help over the years they say they felt it was their turn to help others. The donation chain they start is likely to save at least 10 lives.
[Sambolin:] Isn't that just remarkable? The gift of life. Thank you. That is beautiful. Coming up, the Senate nearing a deal to end the government shutdown and avert a predicted economic disaster. Big question, will the House go along with it?
[Berman:] Big question.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Just because.
[Unidentified Female:] There's a young man. He's got blood on him.
[Costello:] A 23-year-old Australian baseball player gunned down.
[Unidentified Female:] He's not conscious. Is he still breathing? Barely.
[Costello:] And now a warning from his home country stay away from the United States.
[Tim Fischer, Former Deputy Prime Minister Of Australia:] Think twice. Evaluate the risk. There's murder mayhem on main street
[Usa. Costello:] Shocking new video coming out of one of the alleged shooters. Also Miranda rights.
[David Miranda, Glenn Greenwald's Partner:] I didn't know what's happening.
[Costello:] Glenn Greenwald's partner David Miranda breaking his silence.
[Miranda:] And they keep threatening about me going to the jail.
[Costello:] Detained at Heathrow. Alleged misuse of power. A CNN exclusive you'll see nowhere else. Plus, Mark Zuckerberg. One-on-one with
[Cnn. Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] How do you do this? How developed is the plan?
[Mark Zuckerberg, Ceo, Facebook:] You know, we have a plan, a rough plan for what we think we're going to need to do.
[Costello:] His next world-changing project. And the kiss seen around the world. The Russian track stars and now the real story behind the lip lock. Pucker up. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Good morning. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm Carol Costello. Today in the nation's heartland three teenagers wake up charged with murder. And the nightmare of a ruthless thrill killing rattles two continents. One newspaper in Australia calls these mug shots the faces of evil. The accused killers 15, 16 and 17 years old. And a search of the social media Web site Vine the youngest boy, 15- year-old James Edwards Jr., is seen laughing. And showing off a gun. Prosecutors say the boys are thugs, who went hunting for someone to kill. One allegedly told police they were simply bored. The victim apparently chosen at random, 23-year-old college student named Christopher Lane. He's from Australia. He came to the United States to chase his dream of playing baseball and was in Duncan, Oklahoma, that day to visit his girlfriend's family. His murder has shocked and repulsed Australians. And a former deputy prime minister is calling on his countrymen to boycott the United States.
[Fischer:] You are 15 times more likely to be shot dead in the USA per million people than here in Australia. And people should factor that in. They should think twice in the circumstances, it's jugged along by this senseless killing. The shooting in the back of an outstanding young Australian on a scholarship in the USA which has caused quite probably deep seated anger right across Australia.
[Costello:] CNN's Alina Machado is here with a closer look at the victim in this case. Good morning.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Chris Lane was on a baseball scholarship at the university. His baseball coach tells us that the 23-year-old was kind hearted and had a magnetic personality. His death has sent shockwaves here in the U.S. and also across the world and this morning his three accused killers sit in jail facing felony charges.
[Unidentified Female:] There's a young man in he's just standing on the ditch. He's got blood on him.
[Machado:] A frantic call for help by a woman who saw Chris Lane moments after he was gunned down during an afternoon jog.
[Unidentified Female:] Is he breathing? Is he conscious? Is he talking to you? He's not conscious. Is he still breathing? Barely.
[Machado:] Police in Oklahoma say the 23-year-old East Central University student from Australia was the victim of three teens on a mission to kill.
[Danny Ford, Duncan, Oklahoma Police:] It was in the second interview of the 17-year-old, he was asked why they did it and he basically said, we were bored. We didn't have anything to do, we decided to kill somebody and he was our target.
[Machado:] Fifteen-year-old James Edwards Jr. and 16-year-old Chancey Luna are charged as adults with first-degree felony murder. Seventeen-year-old Michael Jones is accused of being an accessory to the crime.
[Jason Hicks, Stephen County District Attorney:] And I'm going to do everything that I can to ensure that we see these three thugs pay for what they did to Christopher Lane.
[Machado:] The father of one of the accused says he has also suffered a loss.
[James Edwards, Edwards Jr.'s Father:] Families in Australia, they are hurting. I'm hurting the same way. I don't cry on the outside, I'm crying right here from the heart right now.
[Machado:] The two teens charged with felony murder are being held without bond and, Carol, police tell us they continue to search for the murder weapon.
[Costello:] OK. So these kids are being tried as adults, right? Oklahoma has a death penalty. Could they face the death penalty if convicted?
[Machado:] You're right. Oklahoma does have the death penalty. And typically a felony murder charge could carry a maximum sentence of death. But in this particular case because the victims are minors, the district attorney tells me that they are not eligible for the death penalty, if they are convicted.
[Costello:] All right, Alina Machado, thanks so much. In suburban Atlanta haunting questions of what could have been. This was the chaotic scene outside an elementary school as frantic parents are reunited with their children. Just moments earlier a gunman surrendered ending a standoff in which he allegedly vowed that cops would die. Witnesses say 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill was armed with an assault rifle and other weapons and opened fire as police closed in. And now we've learned Hill was arrested this year for making terroristic threats and acts. CNN's David Mattingly is in Decatur, Georgia, with the latest. Good morning, David.
[David Mattingly, Cnn National Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. The students at this school were actually expected to be back at class today, but not at their regular school building. They'll be meeting at a nearby high school. But they will be back at their desks at their old school it is expected tomorrow. That is if some parents decide to let them come back here after they got the scare of a lifetime.
[Mattingly:] Hundreds of kids, ages 4 to 10, running for safety as gunfire erupts in their school. Inside 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill armed with what police say was an AK-47 and a number of other weapons takes office workers hostage and tells them to call a TV station with a chilling message.
[Unidentified Female:] I've never experienced anything like this. He wanted us to start filming as police die.
[Mattingly:] The gunman fired at police, maybe a half dozen times. Officers returned fire. When one officer worker convinced him to surrender.
[Antoinette Tuff, School Clerk:] I held him there the whole time because he actually wanted to go outside and start shooting again. And I just start telling him my life story and what was going on with me. I asked him to put all of his weapons down and then I told the police that he was giving himself up.
[Mattingly:] Police searched the suspect's car for explosives, children had to be escorted to buses away from the school as a precaution before being reunited with their anxious parents. Now in police custody, Hill faces charges including aggravated assault on a police officer, terroristic threats and a possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Parents complain about a lack of communication, most say they heard about it on local news.
[Celisa Rayson, Grandmother:] After they put the school on lockdown and they secured the kids, the parents should have been called immediately, right then and there.
[Mattingly:] And there are new fears about security from parents deeply shaken by what could have happened.
[Reva Figueroa, Mother:] We have a button to push to go in and you're supposed to show I.D. And it aggravates me.
[Mattingly:] Are you going to let your daughters go back to school?
[Figueroa:] I don't want to. And I want to home-school them.
[Mattingly:] And we've learned that the alleged shooter in this case Michael Brandon Hill was actually arrested back in March for threatening to kill his brother in a text message. He was arrested by authorities in a neighboring county here. That went through the courts. He was actually released on three years' probation. Was ordered to stay away from his family. And, Carol, to attend anger management classes.
[Costello:] So I guess the most obvious question is, how did he get inside this elementary school? Because I understand they lock the doors. You have to be buzzed in.
[Mattingly:] They do have security here. There are double doors at the entrance of the school. But what he was able to do, he waited until someone was buzzed in through that door and before the door closed he actually grabbed it and went in himself. Very easily defeating the security system that they had in place.
[Costello:] David Mattingly live in Decatur, Georgia, this morning.
[Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Costello:] Breaking news to tell you about this morning. Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian dictator, accused of ordering the slaughter of protesters during the Arab spring, could be released from prison soon. This new report coming from state media. CNN's Ivan Watson in Atlanta to tell us more about this and to kind of figure out what this means.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, we're still chasing the developments from our teams in Cairo right now, but this has been the trial of the century in Egypt going on during these tumultuous two years. This man who ruled as a dictator for 30 years in prison on a number of charges. Now this latest development, it's far too early to say that Hosni Mubarak is going to walk free. If anything he's supposed to remain in custody for at least 48 hours pending the prosecution's appeal. So until we see those images of Hosni Mubarak walking free or being pushed in a wheelchair with his trademark shades on, I think it's too early to say that the man will be
[Costello:] So if
[Watson:] Be set free.
[Costello:] If this is true, with all the turmoil going on in Egypt right now, what might this mean to that country?
[Watson:] I mean, it would be a bombshell on top of the slaughter, the massacres that we have really seen as well as the coup over the last two months. And boy, I can't really predict, but, you know, there was one thing that pretty much all of the factions agreed on two years ago and that was that Hosni Mubarak had to go. The Islamists agreed on it, the secular liberals agreed on it, and now these groups are kind of at each other's throats. And we're seeing that in Cairo. If you tried to set Mubarak free, who is the original target of all the hatred and anger, that could perhaps unite these groups, once again, or
[Costello:] Or divide them further apart.
[Watson:] Yes.
[Costello:] And as far as the people in Egypt right now, I heard some people actually say, wow, we kind of missed Mubarak.
[Watson:] Well, I mean, I can understand that given the economic troubles of the past two years. Given the security problems and given the bloodletting. I mean, we've seen perhaps more than 1,000 people killed in just the last month and a half. So if you look back at his time, well, you couldn't criticize the government, you couldn't speak out, but you didn't necessarily have to worry about being robbed. I could see some people making that argument. But, again, I think it would really go against what millions of people had protested about two years ago. And would really trigger a great deal of popular anger, I just suspect.
[Costello:] Ivan Watson, thanks so much. We want to warn you about the graphic video we're about to show you. It is disturbing, so you might want to look away this morning. Syrian opposition groups are claiming government forces used chemical weapons and it attacked on rebel strongholds today killing hundreds of people. CNN cannot verify the legitimacy of this video who was posted online by opposition activists. The Syrian government is denying a chemical weapon attack and a top U.S. official says he cannot confirm chemical weapons were used. But if it is indeed confirmed, such an attack would have serious implications for the United States. In June the White House went on record saying the Syrian regime had crossed a red line by using chemical weapons. We'll keep you posted. Anger, outrage in the vow of legal problems. Those threats are flying both ways in the case of Great Britain versus Glenn Greenwald and his partner, David Miranda. Glenn Greenwald is the reporter who exposed Washington's secret surveillance program and this morning the British government is warning his newspaper, The Guardian," to hand over any classified material. Apparently that search that led to the weekend detention of Miranda as he was trying to make a connecting flight at London's Heathrow's Airport. Last night both men spoke exclusively to CNN's Anderson Cooper.
[Glenn Greenwald, Journalist, The Guardian:] What they did is ludicrous. First of all, of course, we have multiple copies of every single thing that we're working on. Nobody would ever travel with only one copy of anything even if he just lose it or it's stolen. That would be inane. Of course we have multiple copies around the world in different places. So taking it is in no way accomplishing anything. Secondly, everything that both David and I carry, even personal items, things for his school, are protected by very advance and heavy forms of encryption which they can't access. So taking it doesn't enable them to know what's in there either. It's not going to stop our reporting. It doesn't do them any good.
[Costello:] The men are taking legal action of their own filing a lawsuit claiming that Miranda's detention was unlawful and that British authorities abused the anti-terror measure.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Did they actually ask you anything about terrorism?
[Miranda:] No, they didn't ask me anything about terrorism. Not one question about it. And I think it's really weird because I was in there for like eight hours without talking to anybody outside and like they're just like kick me. I have to ask them, do I have to answer this, and they just telling me, like, if you don't answer this, you're going to go to jail.
[Costello:] The British government isn't bending on its assessment of Miranda's detention. Officials say they have a duty to protect citizens and uncover anything that might help terrorists. It's been one month since the very first woman accused San Diego Mayor Bob Filner of sexual harassment. Well, now, a 17th woman has come forward saying she is also a victim. San Diego businesswoman Diane York says three months ago Filner touched her inappropriately in his office. She says pictures show her with the mayor but what you can't see is where Filner's right hand is. This new accusation comes as Filner's representatives meet with the city of San Diego for a second straight day in mediation talks that could end with the mayor's resignation. Kyung Lah joins us now with the story you'll only see on CNN. So going back to that picture, his hands really was there?
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, that's what she says. She conceded the picture. You can't see Filner's right hand is. She says that this happened inside the mayor's office. She went to the mayor to get help with an with her property, by now, Carol, a very familiar story here is what he told us happened.
[Dianne York, Actress Bob Filmer Filner:] A sexual harassment After approximately 30 minutes or so, the conversation with the issues at home. We got up to leave and took photos. And he place his hand on my exterior. On the back of my you know, my buttocks is what he did. He totally startled me. And I feel I feel very violated. I felt extremely violated.
[Lah:] So, why now? It's still difficult when I was asking her, why are you coming forward right now? Even with the number of women who have already come forward, it's still difficult to put yourself out there. Diane York is a prominent businesswoman in San Diego. She says she will be filing a complaint this morning with the San Diego's sheriff department. Carol, the 17th accuser coming out as the mayor is now in mediation with the city Carol.
[Costello:] So, the mayor was supposed to go back to work yesterday. I take it he did not. He's still going through these talks with the city.
[Lah:] You're absolutely right. He didn't show up for work at city hall. He is not really expected. No one is really expecting him to show up on the job today. But, he's been completely unpredictable. What all the city hall sources are telling me is they cannot predict what the next move will be by Filner. The mediation talks, though, Carol, are still ongoing, expected to continue today.
[Costello:] Kyung Lah, reporting live for us, thank you. Still to come in the
[Newsroom:] Fire in Yosemite. A tornado of flames tearing through the national park. Plus, how do you get 114,000-ton ship right side up?
[Unidentified Male:] We still have hundred divers in the water every day. We have 55 coded welders on the project, 24 hours a day.
[Costello:] A massive maritime project getting the Costa Concordia to shore. And is it a phone or a tablet? Samsung's new 6.3-inch whatever. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Protests take a back seat to the prayer, as a community comes together to remember the life of Michael Brown. I'm Jake Tapper in St. Louis. This is THE LEAD. The national lead, family, supporters, celebrities and even a delegation from the White House all gathering in St. Louis for the funeral of slain 18-year-old Michael Brown. With so many government officials paying their respects, some supporters of officer Wilson are left asking, whatever happened to due process? Our world lead, hypocrisy alert. The Syrian regime themselves accused of vicious crimes against their own people, are now asking for help to fight the quote "ISIS terrorists." Should the U.S. take the fight against ISIS to Syria and do we really want to make an ally out of Bashar al-Assad? And in other world news, the international manhunt for the masked man behind the brutal murder of journalist James Foley. Could the haunting voice heard on this videotape be enough to help law enforcement track down a killer? We will break down the clues from Foley's horrific final moments. Welcome to THE LEAD, everyone. We're coming to you live from St. Louis, Missouri, with our national lead. Thousands gathered here to say goodbye to Michael Brown, the 18-year-old whose death brought to the surface issues of racism and police brutality and economic disparity and many other issues not just in this area, but across the country, around the world really. What we witnessed today in honor of Michael Brown was in stark contrast to the chaos that has consumed this community over the past two weeks. In keeping with requests by the Brown family to make this a day of silence and reflection, there were no protesters, there were no rallies. This was instead a celebration of Michael Brown's life, an opportunity for his family to grieve, and it was also a call to action to members of the community that Michael's death not be in vain.
[Eric Davis, Cousin Of Michael Brown:] Michael was a big guy, but he was a kind, gentle soul. And before he left this earth, the day that he was killed, he was out spreading the word of Jesus Christ.
[Unidentified Male:] There is a cry being made from the ground, not just for Michael Brown, but for the Trayvon Martins, for those children at Sandy Hook Elementary School, for the Columbine massacre, for the black-on-black crime. There is a cry being made from the ground. We have had had enough of the senseless killing. We have had enough of it. And what you guys can do to continue this is show up at the voting polls. Let your voices be heard.
[Tapper:] The high-profile presence at the service was something akin to what you might see for a dignitary or a public figure with celebrities sitting alongside politicians and civil rights leaders. Even the White House sent three staffers, including the Cabinet secretary, to pay their respects. Although he was referenced several times during the service, there was no direct mention by name of Darren Wilson, the officer who shot and killed Brown 16 days ago. While the investigation into that shooting is ongoing, many of Wilson's supporters wonder what message it might send about his quest for justice that so many public figures were in attendance at Brown's funeral. So with so much divisiveness in the wake of the shooting, how can this community come together and heal? That's a big question here. Earlier today, I spoke with one of the local leaders about what's next for the people of Ferguson. And joining me now is Congressman Lacy Clay, Democrat of Missouri who represents the area of Ferguson and the surrounding area, of course. Congressman Clay, thanks so much for being here. You didn't get a chance to speak. A lot of speakers were canceled from the program because it had run so late. What were you planning on saying? What was your general message going to be?
[Rep. William Lacy Clay , Missouri:] Well, my message was going to be to Lesley McSpadden and Michael Brown Sr., the parents of Michael Brown Jr., that they do not stand alone, that several members of the Congressional Black Caucus came here today, and we intend to stand with this family until they receive justice.
[Tapper:] What does justice mean? Because there is a grand jury hearing evidence in the case. As you know, it's very difficult to get an indictment against a police officer. And, look, neither of us were there. It's entirely possible that, according to the rules of the police, it was a quote, unquote "good shooting." What does justice mean?
[Clay:] Justice to me means that the American judicial system cannot fail the family of Michael Brown.
[Tapper:] But what does that mean? Does that mean he has to be sentenced?
[Clay:] Look, there were numerous eyewitness reports of what occurred in the shooting. And I tend to believe the eyewitness report. I don't believe or put too much faith in what's coming afterward. I don't I don't believe that, somehow, that videotape from the store was planted accidentally or that it was just found. All of that is part of a larger plot to discredit a young man whose only crime that day was walking in the middle of the street, and you don't deserve you shouldn't have to die for jaywalking.
[Tapper:] That's certainly true, although the account, from what we understand, is, according to officer Wilson, there was more to it than that. But you know what? Neither you or I were there, so we don't know. Let me ask you this. I have been hearing from people who support officer Wilson, who say the presence of you, the presence of other public officials, the presence of a White House delegation, it feels unfair to them because Wilson is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
[Clay:] Well, I mean, and I guess in cases of police shooting, that's standard operating procedure. But this is not a normal case to this community. This is to this community, this is an execution of a young innocent man whose death was unnecessary, should have never happened. And now this community seeks justice and their own version of justice. They want to see someone punished for the wrongful death of an innocent young man.
[Tapper:] Congressman Lacy Clay, thank you so much. Appreciate your time.
[Clay:] Thank you for having me.
[Tapper:] Good to see you, sir.
[Clay:] Appreciate it.
[Tapper:] Some of the political figures in attendance here today have been marching alongside the protesters really ever since Brown's death. I'm joined now by one of them, Missouri State Senator Maria Chappelle- Nadal. Thanks so much, Senator. You said to me earlier that you thought that there were a lot of lovely moments at the funeral, but in some cases you thought it was a missed opportunity. What do you mean?
[Maria Chappelle-nadal , Missouri State Senator:] Absolutely. And what I mean is that, you know, Michael Brown's death means so much to so many people. And what I have stated before, a lot of young people have felt the intimidation. They have felt the pain and the anger associated with harassment by officials, sometimes of which those are police officers. And so the greatest message, I think, the greater opportunity is, is that we could have talked about young people having an opportunity to fight for their rights. In this entire discourse for the last 16 days, the First Amendment right has been taken away from numbers of young people. And there's been excruciating violence.
[Tapper:] How do you think that their right of free assembly or free speech has been taken away? How so?
[Chappelle-nadal:] Well, I was with them when their First Amendment right was taken away from them and myself. And we were sitting peacefully. It seems as though the St. Louis County Police Department blamed peaceful protesters for the looting. And so the following day, the first Monday after the death of Michael Brown, we incurred at least three hours of tear gas. And I have been thinking about that for a while now. And this morning, it just really came to me that it was impossible to get out of that situation and not feel injury personally. And so for the young people that I was with, at least 100, 150 young people who were peacefully demonstrating, it was some kind of violence that they should never, ever endure. And so the message that I would have sent is, thank you so much, Mrs. McSpadden, for having a young person that you just you trained and that you gave him so many values. But now it's also our opportunity to not allow for this kind of thing to happen again.
[Tapper:] I want to ask you, because the protests have been so peaceful and the media is turning away from Ferguson, we haven't been there. CNN has, but not everyone in the media has been at every protest at every moment, as opposed to in weeks past. What's been going on?
[Chappelle-nadal:] Well, let me tell you, yesterday, I got a phone call from some protests are who have been at the police department. And they told me that they were removed yesterday early, early morning. I also about 4:00 this morning got another text message from one of my friends who's also protesting and said that there was more harassment on the part of St. Louis County police officers at the location where it said they can peacefully protest.
[Tapper:] Because we're not there, do you think?
[Chappelle-nadal:] Well, I think because the media is not there anymore, the officers feel as though they can continue to intimidate our protesters who are peacefully demonstrating. And it's unfortunate.
[Tapper:] All right, state Senator Nidal, thank you so much. Appreciate your time. Much more coming up on THE LEAD. There are no celebrities or national figures here showing their support for officer Darren Wilson. Can he get a fair trial here, if it comes to that? A prosecutor from the O.J. Simpson case will join me. And in the world lead, British authorities say they are close to unmasking the killer who beheaded American journalist James Foley, but does the video prove there was more than one murderer? A closer look coming up.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to CNN's live coverage of the congressional hearings on both sides of the Capitol. We're going to go right now to the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, where Senator John McCain is talking about the authorization for use of force in Syria that is being discussed and drafted and marked up right now.
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] It's wrong for a law to be on the books and every president of the United States say that it's not constitutional. Well, if every president of the United States, Republican or Democrat, think it's unconstitutional, well, they challenge it in court. But they haven't. And so I thank Senator Paul for his amendment.
[Sen. Rand Paul , Kentucky:] One of the one of the things that I think's misunderstood about the War Powers Act is the War Powers Act does allow the president to take action in three specific cases. One, if a war has been declared by Congress, two, if there's been statutory approval under use of authorization of force, and the third is imminent attack. It doesn't give unlimited power to the president to authorize military force. We can debate whether it's constitutional or not, but under the War Powers Act, those are the only three ways you can go. The press and the media and everybody misinterprets the War Powers Act to be 60 days and he has to report. It's true but that's not the beginning of the War Powers Act. That is one part of the War Powers Act. The initial part says the president can only go to war, imminent danger, declaration of war or statutorily approved force.
[Mccain:] Could I just say to my friend here Could I just say to my friend in response, that third provision is what is not clear, a statutory act. We're about to enact a statutory act in the view of many of us. So it I don't think it's quite as clear as Senator Paul
[Unidentified Male:] Senator Durbin and we're going to go back and forth now.
[Sen. Dick Durbin , Illinois:] Mr. Chairman, this is an important proposal by the senator from Kentucky, even though it is sense in the Senate, we should take it seriously because probably the most awesome responsibility that we have as members of Congress under the Constitution. But I'd like to suggest to him that we take care in the language we use and that we use the exact language of the War Powers Resolution, as opposed to the new language, which you have added here, because I think it will create some ambiguity if we put in a new standard in terms of the president's power. Let me be specific. At the end of your amendment you say that does not involve and then you use the words "stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." The War Powers Act says "a national emergency created by an attack on the United States, its territories or possessions or its armed forces." So if you would consider that as a friendly amendment to use the exact language of the War Powers Resolution, which you referred to indirectly here, I think that we would be on more solid ground.
[Paul:] Yes, I'd be very happy to if the chairman would allow that amendment to the to the amendment.
[Tapper:] Are you going to tell me what to do?
[Sen. James Risch , Idaho:] Mr. Chairman.
[Unidentified Male:] Senator Risch.
[Risch:] Mr. Chairman, I first of all the Senator McCain
[Tapper:] I want to bring in Dana Bash, our chief congressional correspondent on Capitol Hill, to walk us through what's going on right now with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee exactly. Dana, they are drafting legislation. Different senators are offering amendments. What are they discussing right now?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Well, you know, when the president made his surprising speech in the Rose Garden, he talked about this being the oldest constitutional democracy. That is what you're watching. It is really democracy at work. Maybe you can even call it sausage making. But this is what they're going through. They are going through amendments that members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have to the authorization of legislation. The first one is one by Senator Rand Paul. It has to do with the War Powers Resolution. Interesting that he's even putting up an amendment because he told us earlier he's not going to vote for this no matter what, but he wants to make a policy point and a political point as well. What we are going to look for I think the most important thing we're going to look for is the amendment that John McCain is going to put forward. He has said that he wants to change this to make clear in legislative language to codify what the president told him in the Oval Office, which is that it is the policy of the United States to make clear that they want to push back Assad's power on the battlefield. So that's what we're going to look for from, again, from McCain to vote for this, that he's a key player here, he's going to need that. It sounds like, in talking to other senators on the committee, that's likely to happen. So we're going to watch this process go forward. We do expect there to be a final vote in this committee by the end of the day. It could change, but that's the expectation now and that would be the first major legislative move before this gets to the United States Senate, the floor of the Senate, which will be next week. Jake.
[Tapper:] All right, Dana Bash at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. When we come back, we'll go back to the hearing at the House Foreign Affairs Committee, where Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel are testifying. Back right after this.

[Rosemary Church, Cnn Anchor:] Hello again and welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church.
[Errol Barnett, Cnn Anchor:] I'm Errol Barnett. Thanks so much for joining us.
[Church:] We are following breaking news in the U.S. from South Carolina where several police agencies are searching for a gunman who opened fire at a church in Charleston.
[Barnett:] Now the police chief says the white suspect believed to be in his early 20s shot several people at the historic African-American church on Wednesday night. At this hour, nine people have died from this incident. Earlier Charleston officials held a news conference asking for unity as they continue their investigation.
[Gregory G. Mullen, Charleston South Carolina Police Chief:] What we need right now is we need everybody to come together and pray for these families and we need them to come together and help us find this person so nobody else is hurt. And what we need is for the community to look at this and say we have had enough of this violence and if we stand up together we can stop this violence and that is what we need the community to do.
[Joseph P. Riley Jr., Mayor Of Charleston, South Carolina:] We are all in this together in this community to help those who have lost a loved one get through this time and give them our love and support and encouragement as we bring this awful person to justice as soon as humanly possible.
[Barnett:] And it's certainly understandable why people in Charleston will be so full of fear at this hour as law enforcement responded to the chaotic scene of the deadly shooting, people did this. They gathered nearby to pray. Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church is the oldest black church of its kind in the southern U.S. People in the community say they are outraged that this violent act can happen in a house of worship.
[Unidentified Male:] You tell people to go to work, do right, go to church. These people were in church and they violated the sanctity of that. The ramifications are way beyond just what happened tonight. This is just unacceptable. This is unacceptable. We are communities trying to live and survive. Why do we have to live like this? We don't need more. We need peace. We ask you in the community to stand behind that.
[Church:] Looking for peace there. And South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley has voiced her condolences with the statement on Facebook, and here's part of her message. She says, "While we do not yet know all of the details, we do know that we will never understand what motivates anyone to enter one of our places of worship and take the life of another."
[Barnett:] Now CNN producer, Ashley Killough, is on the scene there in Charleston and can join us I believe over the phone with some of the latest information. Ashleigh, we have been talking to you all night as we have been getting updates from the police officials there. What new information have you been able to pull together?
[Ashley Killough, Cnn Producer:] We have not seen the police for the last couple hours. We hope to get an update in the coming hours, possibly at 7:00 a.m., is what we are most recently hearing. There are a lot of details that we still need to know. But most importantly the suspect is still at large. They are urging caution. They haven't given specifics into what where people should go and not go. There is still a lot of information needed on that.
[Church:] Ashley, that is the problem, there are so many gaps here, aren't there? We thought that we would hear from police this hour in fact. Now they delayed it for perhaps another four hours or so. But earlier when they were describing the suspect, they were specific in his age, 21 rather than early 20s, very specific. Talk to us about what we're supposed to make of that, whether they have any idea of who this young man is.
[Killough:] Correct. We don't know why they know or how they know that detail. They didn't want to comment too much on the investigation, but they are thinking about offering a reward and asking the community to help find this person. So we don't know how they know that information, but hopefully they can get some more details to us on that.
[Barnett:] And while we await into tomorrow, what will likely be happening there when the sun comes up and when tomorrow arrives? Do you feel that the streets around the church will still be closed? I know there is some kind of prayer vigil planned for the larger community as well.
[Killough:] Right, there is a vigil planned. Some of the activities here have died down. There were a few dozen people who gathered to pray in large prayer circles. They were singing worship songs asking for peace and calm. A lot of them have left now. But we expect there will be more of a sense of community tomorrow. We might see more of that especially as they are waiting to hear if the suspect has been caught yet or if he is still out there.
[Barnett:] Yes, everyone seems to agree this was an outrageous act and it's concerning that the suspect is still at large at this hour. Our CNN producer, Ashley Killough, live for us there in Charleston, South Carolina. We'll continue to talk to you throughout the morning. Thank you.
[Church:] Yes, and we do want to add this, Republican presidential candidate, Jeb Bush, has cancelled a planned event in Charleston today, we should say. Thursday is now upon us. His campaign says his thoughts and prayers are with the individuals and families affected by this tragedy.
[Barnett:] And of course, we will have more on this breaking story throughout the hour. And a reminder, you can always when you are away from your television check CNN.com for the latest developments on this and other big stories around the world.
[Church:] For now, though, we want to turn to upstate New York for the latest on the manhunt of those two escaped killers. Authorities admit that Richard Matt and David Sweat could be anywhere after more than 12 days on the run.
[Barnett:] Certainly a scary thought. The police have said that they have more than 1,400 leads and are shifting their search area now for these fugitives across the U.S. border into Canada. Jason Carroll has more.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Wanted posters of the two escaped killers are now being handed out along the Canadian and Mexican borders. This as the search is expanding and shifting to other areas surrounding the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora. Officials admitting today the hunt for Richard Matt and David Sweat, at least, at this point is not promising.
[Capt. Robert Lafountain, New York State Police:] I can tell you right now as well that we have no information that they have been able to leave the area. That being said, it doesn't mean that they haven't been able to escape this area, but we have no information.
[Carroll:] But there is new information about the woman who allegedly helped them escape. Joyce Mitchell, the 51-year-old prison employee warned her husband, Lyle, also a prison employee, that the two inmates had planned to kill him. Joyce Mitchell's attorney telling me his client knew of the plot, but was not be part of it herself saying, quote, "Just because she heard something does not mean she was going to act on it." While Lyle knew about the plot to kill, his lawyer says, he was apparently unaware his wife was having a sexual relationship with at least one of the inmates. A source tells CNN Mitchell had sex with Matt in the same tailor shop where Mitchell and her husband worked. The Clinton County sheriff talked about her demeanor now that she is behind bars.
[Unidentified Male:] I think it's probably a little bit early for that. There's an awful lot going on around her just with the media attention. I think she is still consuming that and absorbing that to be able to express too many feelings.
[Carroll:] Mitchell's attorney says he has only had one opportunity to speak to his client face to face since her arrest and that was on Monday, the day of her court appearance. As for her husband, there are questions whether he knew about the escape plan.
[Anrew Wylie, Clinton County District Attorney:] As of today, we have no information whatsoever that he had prior knowledge of the escape or that he participated or actively assisted in the escape of the two inmates.
[Carroll:] Those two inmates still very much on the run. Every lead being followed, searchers waiting for the one that leads to them. Jason Carroll, CNN, Dannemora, New York.
[Church:] And NBC News anchor, Brian Williams' future has been in question for months.
[Barnett:] Now he was suspended in February after admitting he incorrectly claimed to be on a helicopter that was shot down in Iraq. Things seemed to just unravelled from there. Now there is word that Williams and NBC have reached a tentative agreement. He will stay on at the network after his suspension ends in August, but not as anchor of "The Nightly News." Sources indicate he will have a role at the cable channel,
[Msnbc. Church:] Pope Francis is weighing on climate change. In just a few hours from now, the Catholic leader will release a long awaited and highly controversial public letter called an encyclical. But what exactly is this document and why is it so significant?
[Barnett:] For answers, we cross to our Vatican correspondent, Delia Gallagher.
[Delia Gallagher, Cnn Vatican Correspondent:] It's called praised be on the care of our common home. Pope Francis' encyclical on the moral aspects of climate change and protecting the environment. Church leaders say that this is the first time the release of a papal encyclical has been so anticipated. A Brazilian climate change group even created an epic theatrical trailer for the pope's words.
[Unidentified Male:] If we destroy creation, creation will destroy us, time to take out the trash.
[Announcer:] A pontiff fighting for God's creation.
[Gallagher:] But what exactly is an encyclical? It's the most authoritative teaching document a pope can issue and signifies a high priority issue for the pope. It is usually written for Catholic clergy and lay people although Pope Francis have said that his encyclical is addressed to everyone, religious or not. Encyclicals are not infallible, but they are not just the pope's opinion either. And Catholics are called to take them seriously. Pope Francis is not the first pope to express concern about the environment. Pope Paul VI back in 1971 talked about the exploitation and degradation of nature by man. John Paul II and Pope Benedict have added their voices to the topic. But Francis is the first pope ever to dedicate an entire encyclical to ecological concerns.
[Jeb Bush , Presidential Candidate:] I don't get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or from my pope.
[Gallagher:] A move which has worried conservatives who feared it will be seen as an endorsement of a liberal agenda on climate change and population control and be bad news for big business and oil. As the first pope from the developing world, Pope Francis' emphasis is on the connection between the destruction of the earth's resources and its impact on the poor. The timing of the document's release is also significant coming the same year as the United Nations climate change conference in Paris this December. With the pope's popularity, this encyclical will be a milestone that places the Roman Catholic Church at the forefront of one of the major scientific and moral issues of our times.
[Church:] Delia Gallagher reporting there. We'll take a very short break. But still to come, a historic Charleston Church comes under attack and a stunned community responds with prayer. We will have the very latest details coming up.
[Barnett:] And also Greece, the country on the brink of financial disaster, what may happen next if the country fails to strike a deal with creditors by the end of this month.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] It has happened again. Two huge passenger jets barely miss, this time over Houston after air traffic controllers send one right into the path of another. Why does this seem to keep happening?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] He's promising to regain the trust of veterans, but this morning there are new calls for the V.A. secretary to resign with even Democrats, even Democrats now furious at the delays that may have cost lives. How long can Eric Shinseki hold on? And how long before they fix the problems at the V.A.?
[Berman:] Shocking, new developments in a California kidnapping case. The suspect's lawyer says the victim went along willingly and only went to police now because she wants a divorce. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It is Friday, May 23rd. It is 5:00 a.m. in the East. Breaking overnight, word of another frightening near collision at one of the nation's busiest airports. The FAA is now investigating how two United Airlines jets came within a few hundred feet of each other after both took off from Houston's Bush Intercontinental Airport. Now, this happened two weeks ago. An air traffic controller told one plane to turn right, directly into the path of the other plane. They were only seconds away from colliding when the controller realized the error and told the planes to turn again, avoiding narrowly avoiding disaster. Listen to what it sounded like.
[Tower:] United 437, turn right heading 180, sir, and maintain 300 there.
[Pilot:] Full stop, turning right immediately
[Tower:] United 601, stop your turn, climb, stop your climb, stop your turn for United 601.
[Romans:] Wow, this is the fourth we've learned about just this week.
[Berman:] Stop your turn, stop your turn. Embattled V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki vowing to fight to keep his job and he's promised to fix delays in care that may be costing veterans their lives. It could be a tough battle for the beleaguered ex- general because some high-profile Democrats now are demanding that he step down. Here's chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Christine and John, V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki was summoned to a closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill yesterday afternoon, not to meet with a Republican, but a frustrated Democrat. And afterwards, Shinseki told reporters that he has not offered the president his resignation. He said, "You guys know me better than that." But his remaining support is tenuous. Do you still think that he should be at the helm?
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] I have not called for General Shinseki to resign, although I have to admit, I'm getting a little closer. The reports that continue to come are appalling. And these are men and women who served our country, and we've not just let them down, we've let them die!
[Bash:] Congress is stepping up its investigation of the V.A., but three V.A. officials scheduled to attend a House Veterans Affairs Committee meeting yesterday morning didn't show up. And later in the afternoon, the V.A. general counsel scrapped a meeting with the committee chairman, Jeff Miller, after Miller demanded it be open to the press.
[Rep. Jeff Miller , Florida:] We waited all day long. We called nine times for them to tell us whether or not they were going to come, and he never came.
[Bash:] All of this while the president's point person on V.A. troubles, Rob Nabors, traveled to Phoenix, the V.A. office where problems first surfaced, to interview the interim director, even as congressional investigators warn the problems we know about now may just be the tip of the iceberg Christine and John.
[Romans:] All right. Dana Bash, thanks for that. Five percent contained, not what you want to hear when a wildfire is bearing down on your home. That's the situation this morning near Sedona, Arizona. More than 7,000 acres have already burned. Hundreds of homes and businesses are right there in harm's way. Let's get the latest this morning from Ana Cabrera.
[Ana Cabrera, Cnn Correspondent:] John and Christine, it's the extremely dry conditions that have firefighters really concerned. It's these pine needles, these dry pine needles that are blanketing the forest floor, providing a kindling of sorts for this fire that's now burning thousands of acres. You can see that huge plume of smoke that's been blowing to the north. The winds have been a huge X-factor for firefighters as they work to try to contain this fire that's burning in very steep, rugged and treacherous terrain. So, firefighters have been relying a lot on the air support in some of those areas, dropping fire retardant to protect the homes that are on the northeast flank. Still, 300 homes that are threatened right now. There are hundreds of fire crews that have arrived from six different states to help in this fire battle. At least 20 hot shot crews that are also joining in this firefight. Right now, it's a race to keep this fire away from the homes as it continues to spread with Mother Nature not lending any reprieve so far John, Christine.
[Berman:] Thanks to Ana Cabrera near Sedona, which really is one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
[Romans:] I know.
[Berman:] Let's hope they're being safe and get the upper hand. Another day of dangerous weather on tap for a large part of the country. Severe thunderstorms and the threat of flash flooding facing millions from Wyoming to Oklahoma. Lightning and the possibility of wildfires also expected to be a problem in many of those areas, drought-stricken areas, I might add.
[Romans:] That's the sound of insurance claims.
[Berman:] Yes.
[Romans:] In central and eastern Pennsylvania. That's tennis ball- sized hail shattering car windows, breaking windows in buildings all over the town of Reading. Emergency management officials tell us there's a lot of damage. You could see it, look at all that damage. But you know what, no serious injuries.
[Berman:] When hail dents your car like that, it's the most helpless feeling in world. You're like, there's nothing I can do. Why is this happening to me? Virginia battered Thursday by hail, high winds and driving rains. Tornado warnings late in the day sent people scrambling tomorrow shelter in Richmond. A lot of damage reported throughout the state with trees down, streets and highways flooded and more than 20,000 homes without power.
[Romans:] Severe damage being reported Upstate New York. Thunderstorms packing ferocious winds and hail, ripping through Albany, Schenectady and Montgomery Counties. Many homes in the region devastated, as you can see, with trees and power lines down all over the place.
[Berman:] Devastation in Kent County, Delaware. Just look at this home, flattened by a possible tornado. Several structure collapses are being reported in that area. Roads are closed. Power's out now in over 4,000 homes. The good news, though, we should tell you. No serious injuries reported.
[Romans:] Our Indra Petersons, will this weekend look a little bit better?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] That's the good news, right? Things need to change for the weekend. They are getting better. So, yes, we have a plus out there. Let's take a look at the radar. What a different picture from just yesterday. We were talking about large hail up and down the East Coast. But now finally, yes, we're seeing some showers. It's not gone, but this will kind of be the story as we head through the weekend, scattered showers hanging around, minimal chances as we go farther each day. Why? What are we watching? A low off the coastline. Take a look. That wrap-around moisture producing mini little showers here and there. Each day, we're going to see high pressure come in and with that the low moves farther offshore and rain chances go down. So, Monday should be the best day, but that's not to say not here or there, you're not that one person with that cloud over your head. Keep in mind, in the Midwest, another low is out there, so your chances will actually increase for showers. But again, no one's going to get a complete washout, unless you're in the Southern Plains and around Texas. We're talking about a lot of rain. And also the Pacific Northwest. Look at totals, only half an inch, an inch over the next several days, so not a biggie in the northeast. Look at the heavy rain southern plains in through Texas. That's where we're looking at the threat for some even flooding. Severe weather threat today into the Carolinas, that's not going to be the big story. Temperature-wise, it is nice and right where it should be today, and temperatures only go up each day as we go through the weekend. And I like sunshine on Memorial Day weekend. I'm fine with it. Temperatures could go way up for all I care.
[Romans:] I know. After this winter
[Petersons:] Bring it!
[Romans:] If I roast this summer, I don't care.
[Petersons:] I want a sunburn.
[Romans:] I know. Thanks, Indra.
[Berman:] All right. Happening today, President Obama set to officially nominate two new members to his cabinet. Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan will take over as the director of the Office of Management and Budget, replacing Sylvia Mathews Burwell, who is on track to be the next health and human services secretary, and San Antonio mayor Julian Castro, who replaced Donovan at HUD. The announcement were set for this afternoon at the White House.
[Romans:] As the White House releases a key memo justifying its killing of U.S. citizens overseas, there is word this morning some at Pentagon want permission to speak more publicly about the U.S. drone program. "The Wall Street Journal" says some top defense officials plan to present Chuck Hagel with a proposal that will let them publicly defend drone strikes. The administration in the past has kept most details secret for fear of giving too much information to potential targets.
[Berman:] So, what if terrorists tried to take over a U.S. nuclear missile launch silo? Turns out, armed security forces at the 341st missile wing in Montana were put through a drill last summer simulating exactly that kind of attack. And as Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr tells us, it didn't exactly turn out well.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] John, Christine, it was last summer at an Air Force nuclear base in Montana when a security group, a small team of Air Force security experts failed an inspection. It was an exercise, training about what to do if terrorists took over a nuclear missile silo and tried to get to a nuclear weapon on the base. They failed that exercise. Now, a report has emerged about exactly what happened. I want to read you a couple of examples of what they are talking about. The report says that the personnel, quote, "failed to take all lawful actions necessary to immediately regain control of nuclear weapons." And as a result of that, the test found that the Air Force team may not have been able to, quote, "prevent theft, damage, sabotage, destruction or even detonation of a nuclear weapon." Now, the team went through retraining and they did pass, but this comes at a time when the nuclear force has been plagued by some disciplinary problems, morale problems. Look, the majority of the personnel do perform their jobs very well, but they do have these problems. This is a very high-pressure environment. The nuclear force has to be perfect. That's what the Air Force says. It's not an environment where they can tolerate any mistakes John, Christine.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Barbara Starr for that. That's the thing, there's no margin for error when you're dealing with nuclear weapons there.
[Romans:] That's right.
[Berman:] More layoffs to tell you about at computer giant Hewlett- Packard, announcing plans to cut 11,000 to 16,000 jobs. That's in addition to the 34,000 layoffs already in the works. HP says the cuts would be across the board and save an additional $1 billion per year. The company's had difficulties as consumers shift away from PCs to mobile devices.
[Romans:] McDonald's CEO responding to two days of protests over low worker pay, responding at the company's annual meeting in Illinois on Wednesday. Police arrested more than 100 people as protesters forced McDonald's to close one of its headquarters buildings. CEO Don Thompson telling shareholders, "We respect the fact they want to challenge us relative to wages. We pay fair and competitive wages and provide job opportunities and training for those entering the workforce." Those workers want a $15 wage. They say they deserve a $15 wage and they point to $1.2 billion profit from McDonald's and say it's just not fair. We're going to have more on McDonald's coming up on wage issues coming up tomorrow on "
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[Romans:] Two p.m. Eastern right here on CNN. Shameless plug. All right. Let's take a look at the markets right now. Time for an EARLY START on your money. Stocks in Europe are mixed after starting off the morning lower. S&P; futures basically flat, just one day after almost hitting another record. G.M., though, is the big story again today. CEO Mary Barra having private meetings on Capitol Hill with lawmakers. Here's what she has publicly said.
[Mary Barra, G.m. Ceo:] We've moved from a cost culture after the bankruptcy to a customer culture.
[Romans:] All right. Behind closed doors, she's been promising lawmakers constant communication, saying they'd receive a copy of G.M.'s internal investigation in early July and that she would testify further at hearings. And so far, congressional aides are telling us they like what they're hearing from Mary Barra. She became CEO just one month before the recall was announced, and so far, those aides say they like the messaging from the new CEO. But recalls may continue through the summer. Now, look at this according to Barclays, G.M. hired 30 investigators to comb through data and find possible issues. So, maybe, just maybe you're going to see more of this. Also, Mary Barra telling lawmakers, frankly, that they don't have all the parts yet to do all of these recalls and all of the repairs. So, there's going to be a long road, no pun intended, for Mary Barra and that company. Before you go shopping for the Memorial Day cookout, listen up. New warnings about dangerous contamination in your food.
[Berman:] Even the healthy stuff!
[Romans:] The details next.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] The euro plunging against the dollar, that means every dollar saved for a European vacation will go further. It's also bad news for American businesses who sell things abroad because that means their products are now more expensive. So, that could hurt company bottom lines. And, finally, the future of Eurozone in question. Markets in turmoil. The Federal Reserve may be reluctant to raise interest rates in the fall. Variety of ways Greece could matter to you. We also know that there's always this concern about contagion. When something happens in a modern economy, it's very difficult to know what exactly kind of knock on effects can be around the world.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] We're going to have more on that as EARLY START continues right now.
[Romans:] Breaking news this morning, Greece facing financial ruin. Residents vote against a bailout. The country will default on its debt. Its finance minister, he quits. Will Greece be kicked out of the European Union? We're live.
[Berman:] Iran and United States closer than ever to reaching a nuclear agreement, but hard decisions still remain. Just one day until the deadline. We are live with the latest next.
[Romans:] And soccer. The Americans back on top, winning the World Cup. A thrilling game for her, a hat trick. We are live with the highlights and celebration. Everyone is tired. There's Coy Wire.
[Berman:] No.
[Romans:] Everyone is so tired. We all stayed up so late. It was such an exciting game.
[Berman:] We're invigorated with the sense of victory.
[Romans:] Good morning. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[Berman:] And I'm John Berman. It is Monday, July 6th. It is 4:00 a.m. in the East.
[Romans:] Let's begin with the breaking news in Greece. More breaking news in Greece. The Greek finance minister quits after the Greek people tell Europe, take your bailout and shove it. A resounding no vote in Sunday's referendum on the latest European bailout offer. The finance minister, he quits. He writes in a blog post that European creditors, they wanted him gone. He says he is quitting his job to help the prime minister reach a new bailout deal. He says, "I shall wear the creditors' loathing with pride." Markets around the world sinking in response to the Greek voters' rejection of the bailout deal. European stocks sharply lower right now. U.S. stock futures are down. The euro is falling against the dollar. The no vote puts Greece its future further in question. Deepening the divide between Greece and the E.U. countries that hold its death, Europe wanted more reforms from Greece in exchange for its bailout. The Greek voters voted they had enough of years of steep cuts. It's pushing the country closer to bankruptcy, closer to an exit from the Eurozone. Greece desperately needs more money to pay pensions, to pay wages, to reopen banks that have been shut for a week. The big question now, how will European leaders react? That's the next part of this story. Senior officials meet today ahead of a big summit tomorrow. Overnight, thousands of Greeks celebrated the no vote. It was happiness, euphoria in the streets. But they wake up this morning facing the prospects of an economy in chaos. The possibility of an extension to the bank closures. Tighter restrictions on daily withdraws from ATMs. Shortages could include food stables. The future very, very difficult for this country. For the latest, let's get straight to Isa Soares. She's live for us in Athens. And, Isa, I mean, I'm just stunned by statistics you gave us last hour. Half of Greek households, all of their income comes from a check from the government. And they have seen that check get smaller and smaller and smaller as their taxes have gone up and their services have been cut. They say no more.
[Isa Soares, Cnn International Correspondent:] They are saying very clearly no more. And that's why we heard a resounding no yesterday, Christine. Good morning to you. Good morning to John. People have had enough. They had pensions cut and salaries cut. Jobs well, they're not many to go around. Unemployment is so high. Youth unemployment over 50 percent. So, they're saying something has to give. When you give us austerity measures, give us something that we can work with. That is why we heard such a loud and very clear no yesterday from the Greek people. To give you the taste of what newspaper here is saying. This one of the biggest dailies. It reads "Deal or Grexit after a powerful no." That's one the main newspapers here, very respected newspaper here. I have another one here. This one very clear, "Country is in danger." And that is the reality that now it is all down to the ECB, Christine. Will they or won't they prop up the banks? Many people know, Greek banks don't have much longer to go to keep them going, Christine.
[Romans:] But here's the risk for the European Central Bank, and for the European creditors. I mean, Greece has said they will not pay what they owe. So, how can they who can give them more money knowing that Greece won't or can't pay them back?
[Soares:] Well, Greece always said if they got the bailout in time, they will pay the creditors. That's how it is. I mean, they didn't get the money in time. They did not agree on the bailout. So, obviously, they didn't pay the IMF. So that was clear. Now, they have more than 5.5 billion euro due this month to creditors as well as pensions and salaries. So, that's reality 3.5 of which, let me remind you, is the ECB alone. So, the ECB also wants to get paid.
[Romans:] Right.
[Soares:] But all of it depends on whether the ECB is ready to throw more money in there. So, it's a vicious circle. One said the only certainty at the moment is uncertainty. I spoke to one person yesterday, Christine. I was talking as a result of coming in and one Greek lady said, it is the choice between drowning in the ocean or getting bitten by a shark. And that's how she compared it. Both options are pretty bad. At least we are in control of our own future and our own country. If it goes bad, we are to blame.
[Romans:] And meanwhile, it is the summer travel season. It's the holiday. You know, it's he summer tourism season and they need tourists. But tourists are terrified not being able to get money out of the bank. Thanks so much, Isa Soares. We'll be back to you soon.
[Berman:] All right. Happening now, countdown to the deadline with the Iran nuclear talks with Iran. The deadline is tomorrow, at least for now. The Iranian foreign minister, Javad Zarif, said the two sides are closer to a deal, but Secretary of State John Kerry says not so fast.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] I want to be absolutely clear with everybody: we are not yet where we need to be on several of the most difficult issues. And the truth is that while I completely agree with Foreign Minister Zarif, that we have never been closer, at this point, this negotiation could go either way.
[Berman:] The secretary says the U.S. is willing to walk away from the talks. A source familiar with what's going on there says there is a lot of work still to do. Let's go live to the ground there and get the very latest from CNN's Atika Shubert, who is there. Atika, what's the status this morning?
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, we have seen foreign ministers arriving. Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov walked in. There'll be back to back meetings. The pressure is definitely on to try and make that deadline. Most of the really thorny technical issues, such as enrichment capacity to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons have actually been hammered out in previous talks. But this time, it's the more political issues that are really trying to nail down. For example, the issue of IAEA inspectors. What kind of access will they have? The U.S. wanted anytime, anywhere inspections. Iran says that is an absolute red line for them. So, what kind of access will they get? To which sites? How much notice do they have to give? These are the sort of nitty-gritty details that need to be decided. And the foreign ministers have to make the hard choices quickly if they want to get an agreement this week. The deadline is tomorrow. It is possible, perhaps, with a little bit of leeway. But they need it in by July 9th at the latest in order to get Congress approval before they take that August recess.
[Berman:] So, there is a real deadline in the near future. Atika Shubert, thanks so much. Happening today: President Obama will be briefed on the fight against Islamic militants. He will speak with Defense Secretary Ash Carter and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Carter is also meeting with the French defense ministers this morning to talk about the battle against ISIS. At least 23 ISIS militants were killed over the weekend in coalition air strikes. That is according to a human rights group based in London. U.S. officials say the attacks on the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa were part of the most sustain set of airstrikes to date.
[Romans:] New this morning political place political fallout for Donald Trump. A fresh round of recriminations for his controversial comments about Mexican immigrants. Trump standing by his words, issuing new statements and Republican rivals in the Republican race are now taking notice. CNN's Sunlen Serfaty has more from the White House.
[Sunlen Serfaty, Cnn National Correspondent:] Good morning, John and Christine. Well, there continues to be fallout from Donald Trump's controversial comments when he said that Mexican immigrants are rapists. And that continues to be a controversy which is sucking up much of the oxygen on the campaign trail. We have seen recently this past weekend, many of the Republican candidates seeming to be a little more aware of that and not only distancing themselves from the Trump's comments, but also trying to push back a little more aggressively, indicating that this is hurting the Republican Party. We saw Jeb Bush over the weekend in New Hampshire, saying that he is personally offended by Trump's comments, given that his wife was born in Mexico and calling it rude language. Other candidates ramping up criticism of Trump as well.
[Rick Perry , Presidential Candidate:] Donald Trump does not represent the Republican Party. I was offended by his remarks. Listen, Hispanics in America and Hispanics in Texas, from the Alamo to Afghanistan, have been extraordinary people, citizens of our country and of our state. They have served nobly. And to paint with that broad a brush, that Donald Trump did, is I mean, he's going to have to defend those remarks.
[Mike Huckabee , Presidential Candidate:] Honestly, Donald Trump needs no help from Mike Huckabee to get publicity. He's doing a really good job at that.
[Serfaty:] Meanwhile, Donald Trump isn't backing down. In fact, he seems to be doubling down, continuing to defend his remarks.
[Donald Trump , Presidential Candidate:] I love the Mexican people. They are fantastic, and everybody knows that. But in terms of the border, it's a disgrace. Either we have a border, or we don't have a country. You know, you can't have a country without borders. And people are coming in. And some of those people and I read it even yesterday, there was a huge article about the tremendous crime that's taking place, it's like a crime wave. It's one of the most dangerous places on earth. I bring that up and, all of a sudden, I'm a bad person.
[Serfaty:] All this back and forth comes at a time when many Republicans are eager to reach out to Hispanic voters, bring them into their party. That's likely a big reason why we're seeing many of these candidates start to speak out much more forcefully, noting that it could be damage to their party's brand John and Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Sunlen Serfaty, thank you that. Republican candidate and former New York governor, George Pataki, he is in New Hampshire today. He's going to host an immigration policy round table with reporters in Manchester. Pataki will also address. He sent a letter on Friday to fellow GOP candidates asking them to denounce Donald Trump over those comments about Mexican immigrants.
[Berman:] Victory for the United States. The U.S. World Cup team just crushed defending champion Japan, 5-2. Four goals in 15 minutes. Coy Wire, the luckiest man on earth, he was there to watch and see the emergence of a worldwide star, Carli Lloyd. What she did, man oh man. Never seen anything like it.
[Coy Wire, Cnn Sports:] Happy Monday to you, John, Christine. Yes, we have a new household name in American soccer, Carli Lloyd. She cements her name in the annals of American soccer lore with the likes of Mia Hamm, Abby Wambach and Brandi Chastain. Carli Lloyd is legend. She scored a hat trick in the World Cup final. Three goals in one game against Japan. Only allowed three goals the entire tournament up to that point. She's the second person and first woman to ever accomplish that feat. The 5-2 win, avenged the U.S. loss to Japan in the 2011 final. It's their first World Cup title since '99, and now they have done what no other country has done. Win three overall.
[Carli Lloyd, Scored 3 Goals In Usa Win:] I have dedicated my entire life to this game, to this moment. Everything has come second in my life my fiance, my friends and my family. This is it for me. If you're going to do something and you want to be the best that you can be, you've got to sacrifice so much. And for me, I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
[Alex Morgan, Usa Forward:] This team is deserving of this World Cup. It was such a devastating loss last time. And this time is just our time and I'm really happy for everyone that gets to enjoy it.
[Wire:] Now, the patriotism is still flowing fast and furious following last night's feat. President Obama even tweeted a shout-out to the champs, "What a win for Team USA", he said. "Great game, Carli Lloyd, your country is so proud of all of you. Come visit the White House with a World Cup soon." That's a retweeter, for sure. How about the USA squad who was having a blast last night. Check out this tweet from their Twitter account. They are now lobbying the Federal Reserve. They want Carli Lloyd and Hope Solo's faces on the $10 and $1 bills. And rightfully so, guys, because they were both money the entire tournament. My favorite moment besides that rainbow from Carli Lloyd from the half line that found that pot of gold at the back of the net, talking to USA's two-time World Cup Michelle Akers after the game. She was all teared up. I asked her how she's feeling, she said, "I'm so happy right now. The U.S. is supposed to be the best and we proved it tonight" guys.
[Berman:] And Michelle Akers, to hear from one legend now talking about a new team of new legends. It was inspiring. Coy, you know, Romans, my boys were outside playing soccer this weekend. They were saying I'm Alex Morgan. I'm Carli Lloyd. When you can see that, you see the influence the team has. It's just extraordinary.
[Romans:] It's very, very cool. And Carli Lloyd is from New Jersey, right?
[Berman:] She is from New Jersey. She is from New Jersey.
[Romans:] New Jersey is turning out major soccer stars.
[Berman:] And Carli Lloyd will be on "NEW DAY" just after 7:00 Eastern Time. Hope Solo on as well, joining us live from Vancouver. Stick around. Carli Lloyd may have six more goals before 7:15.
[Romans:] Thank you, Coy. Coy had a great night. He's going to have a lot of work today. Thanks, Coy. All right. Fourteen minutes past the hour. Stunning levels of violence in Chicago this weekend. The city's top cop says is to blame.
[Berman:] Plus, a killer's confession reigniting the immigration debate. We have breaking developments overnight. That's ahead.

[Lemon:] Microsoft's CEO back-pedaling after his glib comment managed to offend much of the nation's work force. He told a room full of women worried about pay inequities with male counterparts that not asking for a raise will be rewarded with good karma.
[Satya Nadella, Microsoft Ceo:] It's not really about asking for the raise but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along. And that, I think, might be one of the additional superpowers that, quite frankly, women who don't ask for a raise have because that's good karma. It will come back.
[Lemon:] So CNN's you get to have good karma. It's not funny, really.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] Look, he walked it back like crazy. Microsoft is trying to walk it back like crazy and he's now saying I was inarticulate, there is a pay gap and we need to close the pay gap. He really is trying to walk it back. This is not what Microsoft wants to be talking about, but the fact is here in tech it is predominantly male and it is predominantly white. And a lot of industries that have been male for a long time men make more than women across the board. Look at these numbers. This is the pay gap last year. This is women you cannot karma is not going to get you more money. I want to be clear here. Now, one thing I think, he has friends and mentors at Microsoft, one of whom apparently believes that in the short term human resources is inefficient, in the long term it was efficient. So he's saying in the long term a woman who is a superstar is going to get her due in the long term. But that's not everyone. And women don't ride the ranks the same way men do. Sometimes you have to take time off in the middle for child rearing, child bearing. So this is a dumb comment that they know is dumb and that a lot of people today are buzzing about. I'll tell you, in a lot of different industries just about everybody I know women are talking about this story today and talking about their own experiences with asking for a raise. Do I sound bossy if I ask for a raise? Do I need to ask for a raise every year? Do I need to prove myself first and ask for a raise? So to hear someone saying you don't need to ask for a raise is against everything that women are trying to do.
[Lemon:] If there is any good to come out of this, it's awareness and I hear women talking about it more. And it's scan the morning shows, everybody is like really, this is crazy especially the women on the shows were very forceful about it. It will embolden women to say listen, I deserve to be paid what my male counterparts are.
[Romans:] Let me tell you an anecdote. There was a woman who was a big international negotiator for her company and she did it. She was very, very good and she finally went into her boss and laid out the reasons to get a raise. And he looked at her and said "it's a good thing you came in here because my board wants to know why you're not negotiating for yourself and that maybe you're not up to par." You don't think how you're doing on the job is good enough, you have to sell yourself and that's what all of the experts say. Can I say something that Paula Monica said? She said, "Microsoft down pre-market. Satya Nadella shouldn't worry though, if he has faith in Wall Street, the stock will go back up. It's good karma."
[Lemon:] And it's not just for women too. It's also for minorities. Do the same thing, right?
[Romans:] Yes. I mean, you have to know your worth and you should talk to people you work with and talk to people you know and you can talk about money and salaries because you shouldn't undervalue yourself. You have to know what your worth is in the workplace.
[Lemon:] OK. Another story that's buzzing on social media, a Wells Fargo employee e-mailed 200,000 employees asking for a $10,000 bonus for all of them and then, of course, the company says no, we're above the
[Romans:] At first it sounded like he maybe accidentally e-mailed the whole company, but no, he did it on purpose. He looked at the numbers, looked at the profit, and he said you could afford to give us all a $10,000 raise. Now reportedly his managers have been telling him don't worry, you won't lose your job. I don't recommend that you e-mail the entire company when you want to lean in and get a raise, probably not a good idea. But in this case really kind of raising awareness of this idea that the CEO of that company makes 400 times what the typical worker does. That's a big, big wage spread. It just brings back to the whole thing about inequality within companies. But whether it's Microsoft or Wells Fargo or whatever it is, you've got to know your worth especially this economy, be willing to stand up for it.
[Lemon:] When the bill comes at lunch today when I go to lunch, I'm going to say "My karma says I shouldn't pay for this. I deserve this lunch." see if they'll go for it. Thanks, Christine, have a great weekend. Still to come here, from the threat of ISIS to health concerns over Ebola, there are no shortages of challenges being weighed by President Obama on a daily basis. Up next, why one columnist says despite low poll numbers, Mr. Obama is still one of the most successful presidents in American history.

[Unidentified Male:] Just the other day when the mayor was talking about asking you about the investigation, she was also touting a 46 percent drop in complaints about excessive force; 54 percent about just officers being discourteous. Is that any indication that things are already getting better? Is that a foundation for you or is that just kind of out the window this morning.
[Loretta Lynch, U.s. Attorney General:] No, I think all the data that's been gathered today will factor into our investigation. It's really premature to say what that data means. I think we've all seen situations where you can have numbers that look great but if you're the person who is involved in an unfortunate incident for you, you know, it feels like it's 100 percent. So, you know, we'll be looking at all of those issues and incidents but we're looking at the larger issues of whether or not the police as they work to stop, arrest and detain people how they are in fact implementing their policies. We'll look at excessive force, the use and the guidance that they have and the training that they have already. So that will factor into our investigation. It's premature right now to say how it will impact on it. Alright. Thank you all.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you.
[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] All right. The Attorney General Loretta Lynch talking about launching an investigation into the Baltimore City Police Department. In case you are just joining us, I just want to sum it up for you very quickly. Some of the questions that will be addressed by this Department of Justice investigation: Did Baltimore police conduct unlawful searches, seizures and arrests? Did Baltimore police violate the constitution and the community's civil rights? And also the Justice Department will continue to improve the Baltimore Police Department while this investigation is going on. With me now to talk about what the attorney general just said, CNN justice reporter Evan Perez, our national correspondent Suzanne Malveaux who is in Baltimore and CNN law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes. I want to go right out to Baltimore Suzanne and get the reaction from there.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] You know Carol, it's interesting because the first when I was covering this story, it was a local story and then it turned into a national and international story and it was before the riots broke out and before the community actually took to the streets and helped the police and the law enforcement and those community activists gained their streets back in peace in this community. A lot of people came up to me after seeing that video of Freddie Gray and very quietly told their own stories. Stories about one man who had been strip searched on the streets, his pants pulled down. He was half naked. And everybody had a chance to see this on the street. Another young woman who had her cell phone taken from her by a police and smashed on the ground, another person who told me that they saw somebody beaten up and then just dropped from a police van these were the kinds of stories that people would tell you off the record, quietly, just coming out of their homes because they wanted to give a sense of what it was like to live in that community and what their own experience was in that neighborhood. I think what you're going to hear from people in the community is that they finally are heard, that this is not something that through violence in the streets or through the community activists coming out and trying to quell the violence but some real movement with teeth if you will. The federal government, the Justice Department and potentially some real actions to follow if in fact they find this is a pattern and practice. That's what I'm getting from people here because these are folks who did not just a couple weeks ago, Carol, feel empowered at all. They felt demoralized. They felt diminished. They didn't even want to go on camera. We have seen a dramatic turn in this community in Baltimore as the spotlight is on those folks on the ground. I think that's going to be very critical to see what the Justice Department does. Obviously we're not going to get the answers soon but it is a step forward.
[Costello:] Ok. I was going to ask you that question, Evan. How long might this investigation take?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, Carol, I think it's going to take a while. I mean right now the Justice Department had 16 consent decree agreements with police departments around the country from the New Orleans Police Department to Albuquerque. Right now they have nine ongoing investigations including the one in Ferguson that we've talked about in the past. What I thought was interesting about the attorney general's statement was she described a frayed relationship between the community and the police frankly and she said it's an understatement because it's to the point of being severed. So she is using some very tough language to describe what a big job this police department has in Baltimore to try to regain trust there.
[Costello:] Tom, something else that intrigued me about what Loretta Lynch said. She said that this investigation and others will be helpful to police departments across the country. Is that right?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Absolutely, Carol. And first of all, I would like to say I have the highest respect for Loretta Lynch. I worked with her when she was a young assistant United States attorney in the eastern district of New York when I was working in the organized crime program. She prosecuted many organized crime cases where she worked closely with FBI agents, other federal agents, local police officers. She went to China in one of our cases to work with the Chinese police officers that worked jointly with us. She goes back a long way having an outstanding relationship with law enforcement officers. And I think one thing I would like to commend her on that something her predecessor didn't do when he went to Ferguson. When she went to Baltimore she went and met with the police also. She recognizes that this will take the community, the political leaders and the police to work together even in the pattern and practice. And just to explain to the viewers, the FBI investigation of civil rights cases is done by FBI agents with the purpose of possibly a federal criminal prosecution by assistant attorneys from the civil rights division of Department of Justice. The patterns and practice is not done by police officers or FBI agents but basically it's a review of all of the statistics, who has been arrested, what were the circumstances, the complaints, all of those things. In this case, she intends for it to be a very collaborative effort with all of the members of that community and the law enforcement agencies together. I think that she's sincere. She's outstanding. And again, I've known her for many years.
[Costello:] I love what she said about the greatness of the city of Baltimore. That was awesome. Tom Fuentes, Suzanne Malveaux, Evan Perez Thanks to all of you. I appreciate it. I'll be right back.

[Blitzer:] Russian state media now reporting of an ultimatum to Ukrainian troops, saying that ultimatum is utter rubbish. Earlier, Ukraine's defense minister said a Russian naval commander warned the Ukrainian forces to swear allegiance to the new authorities, surrender, or face an attack. What we know right now is about 6,000 Russian troops are in control of Crimea. The European Union is demanding an immediate Russian withdrawal. Secretary of State John Kerry is due in Kiev tomorrow. He leaves Washington tonight. He has condemned Russia's invasion of Crimea as a, quote, "incredible act of aggression." The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, personally inspected Russian military exercises in Western Russia. He called for snap drills and surprise inspections throughout the region. The crisis in Ukraine is also being felt on markets around the world. Maribel Aber is at the New York Stock Exchange. The number is not looking good on this day. What's the reaction so far?
[Maribel Aber, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Hi, Wolf. Well, as you said, huge selloff on Wall Street. We knew before the open there was going to be a wave of selling. But it's gotten stronger as the day goes on. It's not just here in the U.S. Markets in Asia and Europe plunged 1 to 3 percent overnight and commodities are surging oil, wheat, corn and gold. Those are things generally considered safe for investments. No doubt about it, Ukraine had big problems before today. A weak economy in need of financial bailout. But what was a financial problem has turned into an economic problem. So trade could be impacted because Ukraine is a major wheat and corn producer. Also, a lot of oil from Russia has to go through Ukraine before it gets to Europe. And Russia's economy could take a hit if Western countries put sanctions in place. So we're seeing that fear in the market, Wolf, but some analysts don't expect a selloff to last and say, actually, this might be a buying opportunity Wolf?
[Blitzer:] Let's see if it is. Right now the Dow Jones down almost 200 points. Maribel, thanks very much. We'll keep you updated on the crisis in Ukraine throughout the hour, throughout the day. Also coming up, President Obama getting ready to sit down with the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, only minutes from now. We'll tell you the blunt message the president plans to deliver to the prime minister.

[Unidentified Male:] After Asiana Flight 214 crashed, hundreds of emergency rescuers rushed to the scene. Chilling new video obtained by CBS News, giving us a rare up-close look from a firefighter`s helmet cam.
[Unidentified Female:] It shows emergency responders actually being warned twice that a body was lying on the runway. And it was a teenager.
[Velez-mitchell:] Tonight, JVM investigates. Public outrage and yet another shocking video. This time of a plane crash. And it shows what happened moments before two fire trucks run over an injured teenage girl who`s lying there on the ground after being rescued, and later dies. That`s right. This 16-year-old girl, she actually survived the plane crash. It`s a horrific plane crash. And she`s lying on the ground near the plane, only to be hit twice by the trucks that were supposed to save her. The department originally claimed she was covered in firefighting foam and nobody saw her. But if you listen carefully, and please do, to the video, you will understand why critics are saying that is a lie. Listen.
[Unidentified Male:] Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop, stop, stop. Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop, stop, stop. There`s a body right there`s a body right there. Right in front of you.
[Velez-mitchell:] There`s a body right there. But that body was alive. CNN reached out to the fire department. We have not gotten a response. Here is my rant. These responders should have put this teenager, dead or alive, on a gurney and moved her out of the way the second they saw her. We just heard the audio to prove it. You can clearly see this is her, in the video. There she is, crumpled on the ground. They see her. They`re walking around. OK? Why didn`t they immediately move her out of this chaotic scene with racing vehicles everywhere, and gushing foam? It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, and I could never do the work these amazing EMTs do. And of course, a plane crash is an extremely stressful situation, even for highly-trained response teams like firefighters and EMTs. But I cannot imagine any good reason to have her not moved out of the pathway of the emergency trucks. Straight out to the Lion`s Den. I mean, my gosh, Jon Leiberman, how does something like this happen?
[Leiberman:] Well, that`s a good question. Look, in this case, it appears that a lieutenant on the scene did what she describes as a three- second visual on the victim. Meaning that she looked at the victim, and she decided in her head that this victim was dead. The question is, A, was that following protocol, the fire department, and B, why didn`t she try and do CPR or the like? Now, once apparently, they decided she was dead, all bets were off. And then they focused on all of the victims in the plane. And they did most likely save a lot of lives by taking that action. But again, the question is, did they follow protocol in I.D.-ing this girl as being dead when clearly she was not clearly, but she was not.
[Velez-mitchell:] They saw her crumpled. They saw her crumpled on the ground. Now, they may have assumed, and they always say the first rule of journalism, that this teen was already dead. But the coroners claim she died from multiple blunt force injuries. That is consistent with being run over. Her family is getting ready to sue. They say the officers abandoned their daughter in a very dangerous situation and location. They could have moved her out of the way, or at least marked her location. Given that chaotic scene.
[Unidentified Female:] We`re heart broken. We`re in the business of saving lives. And many lives were saved that day.
[Unidentified Male:] I will say this. It was very, very hectic, very emergency mode at the crash site minutes after the airplane came to rest.
[Velez-mitchell:] Straight out to the lines. I feel a little bad, because, you know, Simone Bienne, EMTs do incredible work. I could never do what they do. But you know, you`ve got it on tape there. And first of all, let`s take a look at this plane crash. Because it`s so extraordinary, to show you what the nervousness and the really, the anxiety and even the hysteria might have been when people raced to the scene, wondering how many people are dead. Look at it. Look at that plane crash. You`d wonder, well, could anybody survive that? So we have to put that in context. Because that is enough to make somebody actually not think straight, I would assume Simone.
[Bienne:] Well, look, you know, put in that situation, it`s a fight-or- flight mode. However, you`ve got to think about the fact that these guys risk their lives every single day. So here they should have been able to keep their wits about them. I am no EMT. And I`m not a doctor at all. But my God, if there is a body on the ground, the first thing that I want to do is, is that body alive or dead? Don`t assume it`s dead. Can you imagine, Jane, the family, knowing their daughter survived? It`s a miracle she survived. And now the people who tried to save her, expected to save her, cost her her life.
[Velez-mitchell:] We don`t even know who those people are. There are those who are saying the city and those involved are stonewalling, because we`re not getting the names of the people who were driving the trucks. But on the I`ve got to say, my heart goes out to everybody involved. Again, it`s so easy to sit here in my armchair and say, well, you should have done this, that and the other. I might have been hysterical if something like this happened and I was standing right there. Honestly, I don`t know how I would react. On the other side, "The Bachelor," right now, the buzz off the charts for the ABC reality show. We`ve got to ask, are women playing dumb to snag their man, Juan Pablo? We`ll ask the stars of two hot new reality shows, next.
[Juan Pablo Galavis, "the Bachelor":] Danielle? Will you accept this rose?
[Danielle Ronco, Contestant, "the Bachelor":] Of course.

[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Let's begin this hour, though, with breaking news, those just-released poll numbers that may spell big trouble for the GOP heading into next year's midterm elections, and the new numbers, they are coming out just as Democrats prepare for their own bit of damage control. The president set to address those glitches plaguing the Obamacare roll-out at the White House today. Let's get more on all of this from senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta. Good morning, Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. That's right. A new CNNORC poll finds a majority of Americans are not happy with the Republican control of the House of Representatives, but the GOP pay have caught a big political break as you said the president is set to admit later today mistakes have been made with Obamacare.
[Acosta:] The shutdown ended days ago, but the hangover is still lingering, and it's bad news for Republicans. A new CNNORC poll finds just 38 percent of Americans believe GOP control of the House of Representatives is good for the country. More than half say it's a bad them. But it gets worse for House Speaker John Boehner. A sizable majority of Americans say he should be replaced. Only 30 percent say he should stay. The numbers are slightly better for President Obama; 44 percent have confidence in the president versus 31 percent in Republicans in Congress. GOP leaders say it is blow back.
[Senator Mitch Mcconnell , Kentucky:] A number of us were saying back in July that this strategy could not and would not work and, of course, it didn't. So there will not be another government shutdown. You can count on that.
[Acosta:] But the end of the budget brinkmanship has shifted the spotlight right where Republicans want it, on Obamacare. Later today, aides say the president will acknowledge the website's now infamous glitches and laying out solutions for fixing them. The pressure is on while the program has seen nearly a half million applications and 19 million visitors to healthcare.gov, the Obama administration admits the web site experience has been frustrating for many Americans.
[Senator John Mccain , Arizona:] It's been a fiasco. Send Air Force One out to Silicon Valley, load it up with smart people, bring them back to Washington, and fix this problem. It's ridiculous. Everybody knows that.
[Acosta:] Conservatives are calling for the resignation of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, saying she is resisting requests to testify on Capitol Hill even though she has time to go on "The Daily Show."
[Senator Ted Cruz , Texas:] Absolutely she should resign. Why? Because the program she has implemented, Obamacare, is a disaster.
[Representative Nancy Pelosi , House Minority Leader:] Ridiculous, but nonetheless, I do think what has happened is unacceptable, has to be fixed, and that is what will happen.
[Acosta:] Now over the weekend, administration officials said they were bringing in experts from both the government and the private sector to fix Obamacare. But the administration also cautions that the program is much more than a website. That it's already providing consumer protections that did not exist before Obamacare. Expect the president to repeat that message later today, but one key metric that the administration is not revealing, how many people have enrolled in Obamacare. The White House is still not revealing that information Kate.
[Bolduan:] Yes. Saying we won't get that number until November, but that's the number everyone is waiting for at this point. Jim, great to see you. Thank you so much. Just ahead, a good reality check for you, what is really working and what is not in the new healthcare law. Also ahead, CNN goes one on one with Obamacare's probably biggest opponent at this point, Texas Senator Ted Cruz.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Now, I want to tell you about the arrest of two escaped killers caught on video. The convicted murderers were captured over the weekend at a Florida hotel, but they managed to escape in a very unusual way, a way that may reveal a dangerous lapse in prison protocol. CNN's Nick Valencia is live in Panama City, Florida this morning. Good morning, Nick. What do we know?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. Joseph Jenkins and Charles Walker will be waking up in the Bay County Jail here behind me and investigators tell CNN that they are expecting more arrests as they are looking to exactly who helped them pull this thing off.
[Unidentified Female:] My God, those are U.S. Marshals.
[Valencia:] For the two convicted killers, this cell phone video shows the moment their man hunt ended, just 80 miles from where their escape began. Handcuffed and shackled, Joseph Jenkins and Charles Walker said little during their first court appearance after being arrested.
[Marty West, U.s. Marshall's Fugitive Task Force:] We had information that they were here at the Coconut Grove Motor Inn.
[Valencia:] Officials tell CNN the two were waiting for a ride from Atlanta in this Panama City beach motel when they were busted. Unarmed, they were detained without incident. At a press conference on Sunday, Florida officials addressed the bureaucratic blunder. The two convicts serving life sentences were accidentally released after showing forged paperwork. Apparently, this had happened twice before. Only the inmates were caught before they got out.
[Michael Crews, Corrections Secretary, Florida Department Of Corrections:] It is embarrassing. But my concentration at this point is, I think everyone else here is making sure that we come up with a process and a procedure that prohibits this from happening in the future.
[Valencia:] Law enforcement has launched an investigation to figure out how Jenkins and Walker duped the system and obtained the fake documents.
[Jerry Dailey, Enforcement Commissioner, Florida Department Of Law:] There is speculation, an underlying speculation, that there was a source where for certain a sum of money that these documents could be constructed for $8,000. Whether that is true or not will be determined.
[Valencia:] CNN legal analyst, Mark O'Mara says they must have had help.
[Mark O'mara, Cnn Legal Analyst:] It has to be somebody on the inside. It has to be somebody in the courthouse, maybe even somebody in the state attorney's position, a secretary that can get that paperwork done.
[Valencia:] Standing at his father's grave, Robert Pugh chokes up. While his father's killer, Charles Walker, was on the run, he struggled reliving his family's nightmare.
[Roeco Pugh Iii, Victim's Son:] He had no remorse when he killed our father in front of us the first time.
[Valencia:] Police are now promising to hold all who contributed accountable telling CNN that additional arrests are expected. State officials say because of this incident, they will now require a judge to verify an inmate's early release. As for what's next for Walker and Jenkins, they got their next court appearance on Friday Kate.
[Boldaun:] All right, thank you so much for that. Now, let's move and talk about some big money this morocco. JPMorgan could be paying a record $13 billion in fines to the Justice Department. The reported settlement follows an investigation into the bank's role in the 2008 financial crisis. Christine Romans is here to talk more about this. So let's break this down. Of course, the question is what does this mean for JPMorgan and Jamie Dimon?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Jamie Dimon, this has been a very, very bad year. It breaks down to about $9 billion in fines and $4 billion in consumer relief, some op that will be loan modifications. They're not sure how that is going to work just yet. That's the numbers there. Look, Jamie Dimon, someone who for those of us who covered him, he's someone many people thought could be a treasury secretary some day, now he is being made to pay for what are the worst offenses of the mortgage-backed security crisis. Much of this is because they bought Bern Stern's Washington Mutual now, as a favor. Actually Jamie Dimon described it to the fed in the heat of the 2008 crisis, now they are having to pay up big time.
[Bolduan:] But paying up big time, you are talking a record penalty, $13 billion. It's still not over for them.
[Romans:] No, it looks as though we are told that Jamie Dimon would push there would not be any criminal investigation and the criminal investigation, settle the civil problem for $13 billion and end the criminal investigation. He did not get his way on that. Attorney General Eric Holder and folks in California, actually Sacramento, criminal investigation continues.
[Bolduan:] Much more to come on that. It's really interesting how far they have come. It started with JPMorgan offering up $1 billion to settle this. They are at 13.
[Romans:] The $13 billion is a lot of money and this is costing the bank all of this litigation.
[Bolduan:] Christine, thank you so much.
[Cuomo:] People say if you are a criminal, you are a criminal just because if you are rich, you have to pay like everybody else. A lot of headlines this morning so let's get right to Michaela and the NSA is back in the news, not for good reason.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Not for good reason, this morning France's foreign minister has summoned the U.S. ambassador to Paris over NSA spy allegations. A French newspaper reports that the NSA tapped more than 70 million phone calls in France over a one-month period. The paper cited documents provided by NSA leaker Edward Snowden. Mexico lashing out against a new report from a German magazine claiming that the agency hacked into the public e-mail account of former President Felipe Calderon. Mexico's Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the practice is, quote, "unacceptable, illegitimate and against the law." Dozens of people killed in Baghdad when a suicide bomber slammed his minibus into a cafe full of customers. Police and medics say at least 38 people died in that attack alone. Hospital officials say a total of at least 45 people died in sectarian violence in Iraq over the weekend. A disturbing discovery at New York Kennedy Airport, security officials find a large number of knives and blades in a man's carry-on luggage. Timothy Schiavo Jr. was charged Saturday with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon. Police the 29-year-old from Long Island was carrying several scissors, lighters and matches. New Jersey now the 14th state to recognize same-sex marriages. Couples began saying "I do" just after midnight. The State Supreme Court upholding a lower court ruling and handing defeat to Governor Chris Christie who wanted the marriages put on hold. Beth Asaro and Joanne Schailey were the first couple in the state to marry. They have been together 27 years. A Jets fan caught on video allegedly punching a woman in the face during a brawl Sunday at Metlife Stadium. The Jets won in overtime over the Patriots. The video shows the male Jets fan being pulled away from the brawl before he was confronted by the female Patriots fan. That's when he hauls off and cocks her one. New Jersey state police are investigating. Returning to our Jets fans.
[Cuomo:] That's the worst.
[Pereira:] It's the worst. It's a game, it's a game.
[Cuomo:] Violating just about every rule there is.
[Pereira:] Every rule. It's a game.
[Bolduan:] Let's get over to Indra Petersons for a check of the weather. How is it looking on this Monday?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Maybe it's still warm to you guys. Cold to me, we are talking really cold this time. We are talking about cold fronts making their way across the country brining cold arctic air with it, where temperatures today are well below, especially around the Great Lakes. Take a look at it. There are three fronts out there. Look for some light showers around the gulf and also right around the Great Lakes. Now, let's talk about, yes, the cold air that's coming in from an Alberta Clipper. So that will only reinforce the cold air that is already in place today. Now Alberta Clipper is dry. We don't look for a lot of precip or rain or even snow out of it. What we really look out are temperatures that look like this. These are the highs today, Chicago, 49 degrees. That is 11 degrees below normal even for this time of the year. Kansas City 55, going towards tomorrow, we are still going to be talking about this cold air. Eventually, this cold air spreads off into the northeast. We will drop a good 15 degrees in the northeast by the middle of the week. Other thing I want to talk to you about is we have Raymond, this is our first major hurricane out there in the Eastern Pacific currently release 120-mile-per-hour winds. Not expected to move ashore, but notice the outer the bands are bringing heavy rains to the region. We are still going to be talking even about isolated amounts of up to 8 inches as possible. The good piece of news here is it's expected to move away from shore as it makes its way out in the next several days, but either way, the first major hurricane of the season, hard to believe we have been that lucky.
[Bolduan:] Moving towards the end of October. I like the sign of that. Thanks, Indra.
[Cuomo:] A little break on this Monday morning. When we come back, President Obama finally about to answer for all those Obamacare glitches, what will he say?
[Bolduan:] Plus one of Obamacare's biggest opponent, gets a hero's welcome in Texas and he isn't giving up on his fight. Our one on one with Senator Ted Cruz.

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] And it's so fun as the premiere of "SOMEBODY'S GOTTA DO IT" on Wednesday night at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN. That's going to do it for me. Thanks for hanging out with me all day. I'm Fredricka Whitefield. The next hour of the CNN NEWSROOM begins now with Poppy Harlow in New York.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, everyone. Thanks for joining me. I'm Poppy Harlow. And you are in the CNN NEWSROOM. We are covering a lot of stories this hour. Let's begin with this. The head of the CDC is sounding a note of optimism about the U.S. government's ability to stop Ebola, in his words, in its trap. Dr. Tom Frieden says that while the CDC remains concern about those who came in direct contact with the Ebola patient in Dallas, he says that the ten or so people in this higher risk group are being monitored constantly.
[Tom Frieden, Cdc Director:] We have no doubt we will stop it in its tracks in Texas. It's worth stepping back and saying how Ebola spreads. Ebola only spreads by direct contact with someone who's sick or with their body fluids. So the core of control is identifying everyone who might have had contact with them and making sure they are monitored 21-days if they develop symptoms immediately isolating them to break the chain of transmission.
[Harlow:] Meantime, the Liberian national who arrived in Dallas on September 20th and later developed Ebola is fighting for his life. Thomas Eric Duncan's condition has been downgraded to critical. And an American patient treated for Ebola in Nebraska and then later released has been admitted to a Massachusetts hospital. Dr. Richard Sacra is believe to be suffering from a respiratory infection. But he, of course, is being kept in an isolation unit as a precaution. Let's take you live to Dallas, check in with our CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen. I know, Elizabeth, we have some news just in to CNN. Earlier today, they were looking for some of those people in Dallas. They have been watching for any signs of Ebola and they couldn't find them. But now, they have located them?
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Now, they have located them, Poppy. So these were two contacts. They have their phone addresses, they have their phone numbers but they were not at home when authorities visited them. They weren't answering their phones. But now, I have just heard from a federal officials that these contacts have been found. So that means that all 48 contacts have been found. And the idea is to follow them for 21 days, take their temperatures twice a day. And also just ask them about symptoms and how are they doing. Although, these contacts, they are not reporting in their temperatures. They are actually giving visits from healthcare workers to make sure that it is done properly.
[Harlow:] But it is great that they have been found. It brings up sort of the bigger issue of how do you close enough monitor these people even when they're low risk and whether, frankly, authorities have any say. I mean, they can't really take them into custody, can they? I mean, how do you keep an eye on these people so you don't lose them for a matter of hours when you need to test them?
[Cohen:] You know, Poppy, it is an interesting question. And actually, there are four family members who have been quarantined because authorities said they were having some challenges keeping track of them. So these contacts, I imagine, are being told in some pretty strict turns, we're going to visit you at this time and this time and you better be there because if you are not, then you can have the same situation that has happen to this family. And obviously, no one wants that because that would certainly be encouragement to show up when you're supposed to.
[Harlow:] Also, this just developing in the last few hours. We heard from the CDC and the Obama administration telling here at CNN, they, right now, the Obama administration is considering further screening at some major U.S. airports to try to help prevent the spread of Ebola. Do we know if it is going to happen? And what would that springing look like?
[Cohen:] You know, it is interesting, Poppy. I have been, you know, talking about this, on and on for about the past week or so. Because I came back from Liberia just a week after Duncan did. And I will tell you that in Liberia, when I left, they were really vigilant. They took my temperature three times. They asked all sorts of questions. When I arrived in the U.S., I expected something sort of like that. But instead, there was basically nothing. No one takes your temperature. No one asked if you have been close to people with Ebola. And I left a note that I was a journalist coming from
[L:] Iberia who had been covering Ebola. And my two colleagues have the same experience. So I'm glad to see that they are thinking about taking more serious steps that might include taking temperatures of people who are returning from Ebola effected countries. And I expect to hear in the next few days what they're going to do and when they are going to do it.
[Harlow:] Yes. We will be watching very closely. Elizabeth, you have been on this story for months. Thank you for your great reporting. We appreciate it. Also some news today on the extremist group ISIS and their aim to take over the entire Muslim world that they could. U.S.-led airstrikes have all but stop the militants in Iraq, but in Syria that is definitely another story. Take a look at this map. The Syrian city of Kobani sits right on the border with Turkey. Today our sources who are there say ISIS fighters have now entered the city. This is a very key strategic city. They are fighting with Kurds forces in the streets of Kobani as we speak, we are told. We are also told that the city of Kobani is surrounded by ISIS on the Syrian side. Lieutenant Rick Fancona is here. He is our military analyst. You have been following this very closely. We all have this just broke at the last hour that Kobani had been partially infiltrated now by ISIS. This battle to keep them away from Kobani has been going on for weeks, what is this mean?
[Lt. Col. Rick Francona, Cnn Military Analyst:] I don't think they are going to be able to save Kobani. It is surrounded the Kurds that are trying to defend it or vastly outnumbered, outgunned. Most of the civilians that have lived there have left. So you have got a small skeleton force trying to slow down the advance, but I think it's just a matter of time before ISIS takes it over. What I would hope is that the Kurds that are defending are able to get out themselves because they don't want to fall into the hands of ISIS. So that puts Kobani in ISIS hands. And that pretty much secures a lot of that border for ISIS. And what I think we will see next is that moving further toward the west as they moved toward Aleppo trying to expand their zone of control in Syria.
[Harlow:] And we know, and you have said before, you don't think that they're not going actually cross over into Turkey because of how strong Turkey's military is. At the same time, Turkey is such an important partner and ally for the Unites States. And the vice president did not make the president, President Erdogan, of Turkey very happy this week.
[Francona:] No. He said some statements and he has had to walk back. And I don't think we want to get into a political battle with the Turks right now. We are relying of the Turks to provide some very unique capabilities. If you look at the geography, Turkey is their basis on minutes from the combat zone. Whereas right now, we are having to fly sometimes an hour, even two hours from take off to actually target. Now, if we can use Turkey's air bases, we can be there in minute to respond much quicker to situations just like we are seeing in Kobani.
[Harlow:] Well, it is interesting, vice president Joe Biden apologized in to the Turkish president, also calling the head of the UAE today about basically saying comments made earlier this week at Harvard University about whether or not those Arab nations and allies of ours were inadvertently helping ISIS by allowing us across through their borders to help ISIS that that was not what he intended to say
[Francona:] Yes. And the UAE has been a strong ally of our for decades. And they are letting use their air bases, they always have. They are participating. So I think that we need to be careful what we say. I think we need to draw distinction between the governments of these countries and citizens of these countries. Now, there is money that go into charities that fund many of these Islamic groups. But those are private individuals. It is not the government.
[Harlow:] At the same time, a few weeks ago, you and I were talking about when is Turkey going to take action. Do you think at this point in time, given where ISIS is and Kobani now on that Turkish border, the threat that it poses to Turkey the region, is Turkey doing enough yet?
[Francona:] Well, we always like to see the Turks actually intervene. I think the Turks are figuring out what they are going to do, at what level they are going to intervene. It would be nice to see Turks airstrikes as well. But the I hope we will. The big gorilla would be if we see Turkish ground forces move into the northern Syria to set up like up for zone. The Turks are far superior to anything ISIS can put in the field.
[Harlow:] And they have very, very strong forces if they use them o the ground and in the air.
[Francona:] They are excellent troops.
[Harlow:] Thank you, Colonel. We appreciate it. We will be with you a little bit later in the show. Also, deadline day is arriving for protesters in Hong Kong. Right now it is about 5:00 a.m. Monday morning in Hong Kong and crowds of protesters remain on the streets. Hong Kong's leaders ordered protesters to clear the streets by Monday morning. As you can see they have not gone. Authorities want to try to reopens schools, reopen the government. That is a key business district in Hong Kong. Pro-democracy demonstrators have been blocking those major highways and all the access to government offices for a week now. They want China government to allow Hong Kong voters to select fully independently their own candidate for the next election in 2017. China, though, is insisting those candidates have to be vetted by Beijing first. And while the Ebola epidemic rages in west Africa, scientists are looking for a vaccine. It could save countless lives and while many have been asking why doesn't one exist yet. There is a question about how much they cost to develop and is big Pharma willing to do that? We'll talk about it next.

[Whitfield:] The FBI has joined the investigation into the death of Michael Brown. Attorney General Eric Holder says the bureau is there to, quote, "supplement rather than supplant the investigation by local authorities." Joining me right now is CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes. He is also the former assistant director of the FBI. Good to see you, Tom.
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Hi, Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] So there are multiple investigations going on right now. You've got the shooting death itself. The alleged robbery. The behavior of the Ferguson officer, Darren Wilson, and then there is the investigation of the investigation, so in your view what will the FBI be focusing on specifically?
[Fuentes:] Well, the FBI is going to be look looking at whether the shooting death is not justified. If Officer Wilson shot him and should not have, and of course, Michael Brown did die as a result of those shots, then that violates federal statute that the authorities deprived Brown of his civil rights under color of law, meaning it's not somebody else down the street, it's not a private security guard, it's a police officer in uniform, on duty, acting as a police officer. And then he used force that was not necessary or excessive. I think in from what I've heard, the very first shooting that starts the violent confrontation with Brown and Officer Wilson, that very first shooting may never really be resolved. What happened at the door of that police car that resulted in that first shot, that's going to be, you know, very difficult to prove one way or the other since Michael Brown cannot explain his side of it. But when Brown walks away or goes down the street, the officer pursued him. You have witnesses saying Brown tried to surrender and that he raised his hands and then, after raising his hands, after surrendering, was shot multiple times, that's going to be something that's going to be very difficult for Wilson to overcome. And in my view if that can be proven in federal court that Brown was surrendering and was killed after the attempt to surrender, Wilson will probably go to federal prison.
[Whitfield:] So that is the point. That's the real turning point in your view as to how and why and whether the FBI or the federal law enforcement end of this will be able to, you know, pursue, I guess, some real answers. It's not that first shot, but it's the shot that comes after Brown's hands go up?
[Fuentes:] Actually it's everything. And you know, the media reporting has been kind of helter-skelter. One minute we talk about the video, the next minute we talk about the looting. The next minute what the authorities will be doing is a methodical, chronological approach to what happened, and it will include what happened at that store because it's important. And even if Wilson did not know about the robbery, as he claims, and that may be able to show, you know, to release the dispatch tapes or recordings from the police department, if you have a dispatcher putting out to all the units the description of two suspects that have just committed a strong-arm robbery, then if Wilson heard that, that changes everything. Now he's trying to make a felony stop and maybe he didn't follow procedure. But even if Wilson did not know that Brown anything about the convenience store robbery, if he was completely unaware of it, Brown knew. And Brown's family attorneys have conceded that was him. That was Big Mike in that store taking the cigars and then using force, shoving the employee of the store against the display rack. So the fact that Brown committed that act means Brown knew he did something. And if Brown is strolling down the street and a police car approaches him and an officer yells out to him, in Brown's mind, you would expect him to think, uh-oh, I'm going to be taken into custody. This is going to be confrontational. He's not being asked to get off the street for jaywalking or obstructing traffic or anything like that in his own mind. Now maybe in Wilson's mind, but certainly not in Brown's mind. He would have known what he just did 10 minutes earlier.
[Whitfield:] But if Officer Wilson didn't know about this, you know, alleged robbery and he stopped or questioned Brown on the street, in your view based on what we know from eyewitness accounts or even from what the police chief is revealing, was there probable cause to even stop Brown, just because he was walking in the middle of the street? We've heard nothing from eyewitnesses who say he was blocking traffic, obstructing, you know, the flow of traffic in any way, so what was the probable cause
[Fuentes:] Well, you know, it
[Whitfield:] because he was walking in the middle?
[Fuentes:] You're right, it could be, you know, harassment. But, you know, technically it's a violation. If you have sidewalks, you're supposed to use the sidewalk. So, you know, you could say that this is harassment. You know, the average cop is going to drive right by somebody and if they actually aren't blocking traffic, they're not going to, you know, get involved with something like that. But what's in Brown's mind is very important. Let me give you a quick example. When I was in charge of the FBI in Indiana, we had a case involved an Indiana State Trooper on Interstate 80 near Chicago, saw a motorist on the shoulder of the interstate changing a flat tire. He radioed in, I'm going to assist this motorist, I'm at such and such location. Parks his car on the shoulder behind. Gets out, goes to help this person and is immediately gunned down, shot dead on the street. What the officer didn't know he thought he's doing just helping a citizen. What he didn't know is that person had just stolen the car and it hadn't been reported yet. So the person that's why he guns down the officer and this is something you know, I was a street cop for six years before becoming an FBI agent for 30. This is something police officers face every day is that you don't know what the other person may have just done, what they're thinking, what their mental state is, are they intoxicated. You know, there's many things that come up that police officers encounter. It's not as clear-cut as it often looks to outside observers. And that's what's important in this case. What was on what did Brown do? What was he thinking when it came to that officer? That's one issue. The second issue is, you know, you have that store clerk now receiving death threats. You have, you know, others in the community, the other shop owners being looted, they're being threatened. Even if you had a witness in that community that saw something different concerning the confrontation, concerning whether Brown surrendered or didn't, what is the likelihood somebody now will come out publicly and argue a different position that favors the police officer? Nobody in their right mind is going to want to do that and get themselves hurt because there's such a complete sentiment ready to hang Officer Wilson in this instance and there may be more to the story. And it's just that all of these facts, and I'm not taking Officer Wilson's side. As I've said, if he did what was alleged about gunning him down after surrendering, he will go to prison.
[Whitfield:] Yes.
[Fuentes:] He should go to prison if that's what happened, so I'm not taking his side. I'm trying to be fair to all sides.
[Whitfield:] Yes.
[Fuentes:] And there's so much emotion in this, we don't know chronologically every step by step by step yet
[Whitfield:] You're absolutely correct.
[Fuentes:] of what happened.
[Whitfield:] All thought-provoking points. Thanks so much, Tom Fuentes. Appreciate it.
[Fuentes:] You're welcome.
[Whitfield:] And we'll be right back.

[Berman:] The fallout for Ray Rice has been fast and furious. The former Ravens running back dropped by Nike. He's also no longer in the new Madden NFL video game. The league also backpedaling under fire for how it handled the situation. The commissioner now speaking out about the ordeal, and amid calls for his resignation. Andy Scholes joins us from the CNN Center in Atlanta with more. Wow, this story really took a big turn yesterday.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, he's facing tough questions about what the league knew about the video from inside the elevator and when. After seeing the video on TMZ on Monday, the NFL suspended Ray Rice indefinitely. People are asking, why did it take that long to seeing the video for that to happen and why did Goodell not see the video before handing down the discipline in the first place? In an interview with CBS News last night, Goodell reiterated that he nor anyone in his office saw the video.
[Roger Goodell, Nfl Commissioner:] We had not seen any videotape of what occurred in the elevator. We assumed that there was a video. We asked for video, but we were never granted that opportunity.
[Unidentified Female:] The question becomes, did the NFL drop the ball? Or was the NFL willfully ignorant about what was on this tape?
[Goodell:] Well, we certainly didn't know what was on the tape, but we have been very open and honest. And I have also, from two weeks ago, when I acknowledged it, we didn't get this right. That's my responsibility and I'm accountable for that.
[Scholes:] So, Goodell says he not only didn't see the video, he didn't know what was on it. That's pretty incredible. Goodell also said he wouldn't rule out Rice returning to football, but, quote, "We would have to be fully confident he is addressing this issue." Now, yesterday, Ray Rice texted CNN's Rachel Nichols, saying, "I'm just holding strong for my wife and kids. That's all I can do right now." Earlier in the day, Janay Rice defended his husband in an Instagram post, writing, "I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But have to accept the fact that it's reality in a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain the media and the unwanted opinions from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. This is our life. What don't you all get? If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you succeeded on so many levels. Just know that we will continue to grow and show the world what real love is. Ravensnation, we love you." Now, Baltimore Ravens meanwhile are no longer selling Ray Rice jerseys on their official Web site. In fact, they're planning to allow fans, guys, to trade in their old 27 jerseys for other Ravens gear. They play tomorrow night when they host the Steelers.
[Romans:] I feel like there's just as many questions, we hear Roger Goodell, we hear Norah O'Donnell asking him, you knew that he knocked her out. Why does seeing it make it any different than not seeing it? I mean, there's still that big question hanging over him, isn't there?
[Scholes:] Well, the most shocking thing in that interview to me was he said he didn't know what was on the tape. We did know what was on the tape. Ray Rice said he had punched her in the face. So, it's very confusing. Still lot of questions, as you said, Christine.
[Romans:] So interesting to hear from her, too, from Janay. You know, we've been seeing that image over and over again, to hear in her own words how she's feeling now. I'd like to actually hear more from her. Andy Scholes, thanks.
[Berman:] We have a sad end to a disturbing story out of South Carolina, and the bodies of five kids have been recovered in Alabama after authorities were led to the site by the children's father identified as Tim Jones Jr. Law enforcement officials believe the children all between the ages of 1 and 8 were killed in South Carolina but it's unclear how long ago.
[Romans:] Protesters disrupting a city council meeting in Ferguson, Missouri. The first shooting since unarmed shooting of teenager Michael Brown. With their hands in the air, demonstrators shouted "shut it down." They later voiced their doubts about the city's planned reform. It comes ahead of the planned protest this afternoon aimed at shutting down a section of Interstate 70. Organizers are demanding the governor appoint a special prosecutor to review the shooting. A shooting by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. Meantime, a Missouri family court judge has denied a request for the release of any of Michael Brown's juvenile record. To weather now, some violent storm left a mess across parts of the country, three inches of rain fell in Omaha, up to five inches in some areas to the North. The 911 system was down in several counties, just as the evening rush is getting under way. Strong winds toppled power lines, trees, even part of a car dealership. Ouch, look at that.
[Berman:] Oh my goodness! All right. Business and homeowners cleaning up after intense flooding in Portsmouth, Virginia, which has been hit hard the last few days. Water was rushing into buildings, faster than owners can pump it out. Cars have been abandoned after getting stuck up to the windows in water.
[Romans:] And the National Weather Service confirms yes, a tornado touched down near Green Evers, North Carolina Monday. Winds up to 115 miles an hour destroyed several homes, damaged other, flipping cars along the way. Now, despite the scare, locals who survived say they feel lucky.
[Unidentified Female:] We are blessed. It could only have been God, because they rode through and didn't get a scratch, abrasion, a cut or break, they were blessed.
[Romans:] Indra Petersons has a look at your forecast this morning. Hi, Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologis:] Good morning. We talk about cold air settling in, right? So, I want to show you the country. Look at the clouds right now.
[Berman:] Forty-three? What?
[Petersons:] Thirties and 40s. Look at the difference, 83, down to the South. That's what actually looks good right now. But this is the cold air that will be making its way. Once you have that setup, by the cold air, by the warm air, you have the low pressure system. You got the cold front, the jet system, right, all the ingredients, they're there. What do we have? We have say threat for severe weather. And you can actually see, look at all the lightning already making its way into the Midwest. Chicago, heads-up. Keep in mind, a lot of rain, even flooding concerns into the Midwest today, with heavy amounts of rain, about two to four inches will be expected throughout. On top of that, of course, severe weather for Detroit, Cincinnati, even St. Louis, looking for a concern for severe weather. Even in through tomorrow, look at these major cities, guys, New York, Philadelphia, D.C., Charleston, even Charleston, so about a good 40 million people looking for that threat for severe weather. Here's the good, kind of bad side, I don't know how you look at it, we're looking at the rain moving out by the time you get to the weekend, keep in mind, behind it, since it is a strong cold front, that it's where all the cold air makes its way through. You're going to see that temperature difference. About 16 below, notice what happens in Denver, 70s quickly go to 30 below average in a couple of days. That cold air is making its way in.
[Berman:] It's coming. All right.
[Romans:] I keep saying sweater weather, sweatshirt weather. Football weather.
[Berman:] It is football weather, it smells like football. I keep saying that. You mock me. Intense fighting in Ukraine, despite a fragile cease-fire. This morning, Russia facing new consequences with its involvement. We're live on the ground right after the break.
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[Fareed Zakaria, Cnn:] Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. I'm Fareed Zakaria. We've got a terrific show for you today. First up, a tale of murder and intrigue involving a familiar villain. Then I know you've heard this before, but Europe is facing a major crisis. No, really. Within a couple of weeks, the money runs out for Greece. What does that mean for the euro, Europe, and global economy? I have an all-star panel for you. Also is freedom around the world in retreat? We have the numbers. Then Bill and Melinda Gates on their big bets for the future. Their take on American education, how women are transforming the world, and the next technological breakthroughs. Think about a cloud that knows how you speak and write. And finally, Mr. Putin goes to Cairo. And you won't believe what he brings with him. But first here's my take. The deal announced Thursday to end the fighting in Ukraine will face the same obstacle the previous such agreement faced how to ensure that Russia will abide by it. Frustrated by Moscow's continued support for Ukrainian separatists, Western statesmen have begun discussing military assistance for the Ukrainian government. But in trying to decide what would actually deter Moscow, it might be worth listening to what seems to scare Russians themselves. And it is not military aid to Kiev. When asked recently about the possibility of so-called swift sanctions, which would bar Russia from participating in the international payment system centered on the dollar, Prime Minister Medvedev warned that Moscow's response would be without limits. It's understandable why Putin's closest associates are so rattled by the prospect of additional economic sanctions. The Russian economy is in free fall. In a report released this week, the International Energy Agency said that Russia is facing a perfect storm of collapsing prices, international sanctions and currency depreciation. The IMF projects Russia's economy will contract by 3 percent in 2015. And Putin needs strong oil revenues to maintain his power. From 2008 to 2009 when oil revenues did collapse during the global financial crisis, the Russian government increased its spending by a staggering 40 percent, all to preserve social stability. This according to the economists. On the other hand, Russia could easily handle continuing its military skirmishing in eastern Ukraine. Moscow's defense budget in 2014 was roughly 20 times that of Kiev's, according to figures published this week by the International Institute for Strategic Studies. The argument against sanctions is that while they may raise the cost for Russia, Putin has shown that he does not respond to higher costs in a rational calculating manner. But if that's the case, then military aid for Ukraine won't work either. No one believes that Kiev can actually prevail in a military contest with Moscow. A recent think tank report urging military aid itself acknowledges that the aid package will merely raise the cost for the Kremlin in order to force it to then negotiate. In other words, the consensus is that the only possible strategy is to raise costs for Russia. The disagreement is really about what kinds of costs Vladimir Putin finds most onerous. I think that military aid to Ukraine would stoke the fires of Russian nationalism, let Putin wrap himself in military colors and defend his, quote-unquote, "fellow Russians," in an arena in which he will be able to ensure that Moscow prevails. For a regime that waged two bitter and costly wars in Chechnya, a region far less central to the Russian imagination than Ukraine, the loss of some men and money in a military operation is not likely to be much of a deterrent. Why would the West want to move from its area of enormous strength, economic pressure, to an area where it will be outgunned in every sense? If Russia breaks this fragile peace, then more sanctions should be considered. Senator Lindsey Graham recently offered the most honest reason why some in Washington are advocating military assistance. Even though it doesn't seem likely to work, it's a way of doing something in the face of Russian aggression.
[Sen. Lindsey Graham , South Carolina:] I don't know how this ends if you give them defensive capability but I know this. I will feel better because when my nation was needed to stand up to the garbage and stand by freedom, I stood by the freedom.
[Zakaria:] But the purpose of American foreign policy is not to make Lindsey Graham feel better. It is to actually achieve American objectives on the ground. That means picking your battles and weapons carefully. For more go to CNN.comfareed and read my "Washington Post" column this week. And let's get started. To understand what motivates Vladimir Putin, we decided to call in a man who once helped him get rich. Bill Browder went from being Russia's largest foreign investor to being blacklisted from that country. The CEO of Hermitage Capital Management, Browder was once a supporter of President Putin. That is until he was expelled from Russia in 2005 after being considered a threat to national security. Browder writes about his experiences in his terrific new book "Red Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder and One Man's Fight for Justice." He joined me recently to tell me what he learned about how the Kremlin works. So you begin the book by with this incredible story. You're the largest foreign investor in Russia, you your fund has returned 1,500 percent returns, you're managing $4.5 billion in capital at a time when that was real money, and you get to the airport and they put you on a plane and throw you out. What have you done that so pissed off the Russians?
[Bill Browder, Ceo, Hermitage Capital Management:] Well, I wasn't just a regular investor. I was what's what they what's commonly referred to now as a shareholder activist. I started out being just buying shares of Russian companies and I realized that the oligarchs and government officials were stealing all the profits out of these companies. And so I thought the only way that I could run a sort of moral and profitable business would be to try to stop it. Basically we researched how they did the stealing and then we share it with the international media. And for about four years this naming and shaming of Russian companies actually worked because my interests coincided with Putin's. He was fighting with the same guys I was fighting with. The oligarchs were stealing power from him and they were stealing money from us. And so every time I would publicize a scandal, Putin would step in and fix it. And so my profits went up, the company's profits went up. And I was feeling like I was feeling like the best guy in the world because I was making money and doing good at the same time.
[Zakaria:] But then Putin makes a deal with all these oligarchs and at that point things start to change for you.
[Browder:] He arrested the richest oligarch in the country and said to the other guys, if you don't want to be arrested you need to share your money with me.
[Zakaria:] Right. Right.
[Browder:] So he became a business partner and then my all of my activism became very inconvenient. At that point, I was not going after his enemies, I was going after his own financial interest. And so when I arrived at Sheremetyevo Airport in November 2005 after living there for 10 years, I was stopped at the VIP lounge. I was taken down to the detention center of the airport. I was kept there for 15 hours. Deported and declared a threat to national security. What I didn't realize then, and it's become absolutely plain and obvious to me now, based on my experience, is that Putin wasn't above it all, Putin was intimately involved in it all. And it wasn't like he was restraining the oligarchs, he was the biggest oligarch. And everything that he's done since then has come to prove that.
[Zakaria:] Do you think Putin is about power or about money?
[Browder:] Well, I would say the first eight or 10 years of Putin's reign over Russia, it was about stealing as much money as he could. And some people, including myself, believe that he's the richest man in the world or one of the richest men in the world, with hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth that was stolen from Russia. It's changed, though. It's mutated. All
[Zakaria:] Really? I mean, you understand numbers. And you understand the numbers of these Russian companies. You really think Putin is the richest man in the world?
[Browder:] I really think that. And I'm not just saying that crazily.
[Zakaria:] Estimate his net worth?
[Browder:] $200 billion.
[Zakaria:] Really?
[Browder:] I believe that it's $200 billion. After 14 years in power in Russia and the amount of money that the country has made and the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on, all that money is in property, bank Swiss bank accounts, shares, hedge funds, managed for Putin and his cronies.
[Zakaria:] And it would explain why he personally has so much power, right? It's not the power of the party or the army you worry about or the state.
[Browder:] But the power is very simple in Russia. Whoever has the power to arrest people is the person in power. And so what Putin does is he has a bunch of guys around him who have the power to arrest people. And so it doesn't matter how rich you are, if you can be arrested, put in jail and have your money taken away, the guy who can do that to you is the most powerful person in Russia.
[Zakaria:] The second half of your book is about this incredible campaign that you have you've launched ever since the death of Sergei Magnitsky, your the guy who was looking after your accounts and the legal issues surrounding them. How did you manage to get people in the United States,
[Browder:] Well, my attorney Sergei Magnitsky, he was murdered for exposing government corruption, murdered in pretrial detention, and they covered up his murder. What they did to him was so evil and so heartbreaking and so well-documented that when I went and told the story to members of Congress, it didn't matter whether you were the most conservative Republican or the most liberal Democrat, this is the one thing in Washington everybody could agree on, which was these people were bad. These guys killed Sergei Magnitsky, my lawyer, for money. They all got rich, they all got bank accounts, and villas and cars. Why should we allow them to come to America, travel to America, keep their accounts here and spend that money? Everyone said, yes, that's easy. It doesn't cost anything to stop them from doing that. And so this started snowballing and against the interest of the U.S. administration. The U.S. administration at that time wanted to play nice with Russia. We got the Magnitksy Law passed 92-4 in the Senate. It's the one thing that everyone in Washington could agree on.
[Zakaria:] Oil prices are down 15 percent. The Russian economy is being sanctioned, banks are in trouble. How does this how does this play out for Putin?
[Browder:] Well, there's the Zimbabwe-North Korea scenario where he just runs Russia truly and absolutely into the ground and stays in power. And that could happen. There's also the Ukraine-Georgia- Kyrgyzstan scenario where people the Russian people say, why are we allowing this man to ruin everybody's life. He makes some decisions, some small decisions, it doesn't have to be big decisions, it just sparks a million people on Red Square and they get rid of him or it could even be that some members of the army and the police decide palace coup, let's get rid of him. We don't know. But in the meantime while he's still in power he's going to be running Russia into the ground and causing the West a lot of problems.
[Zakaria:] Bill Browder, pleasure to have you on.
[Browder:] Thank you.
[Zakaria:] Up next Greek and European officials are playing a game of chicken. Who will blink? Stay tuned for a fascinating conversation.

[Pereira:] Welcome back. So glad you've been getting in on the conversation, joining us with questions on Facebook and Twitter. Let's bring back our aviation analysts, Jeff Wise and Mary Schiavo. And you guys can tackle some of them. Mary, why don't we start with you? Let's start with the Bluefin unmanned sub that was dropped in the search area this morning. Question, why did they wait so long to deploy it?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] They waited so long to deploy the Bluefin 21 because they wanted to get every last ounce of intelligence out of those pingers. They didn't want to pass up the opportunity to narrow in the search zone by finding pinging whatsoever. They were delayed by both the Malaysian and civil military radar lost track of the plane. Whatever time they did have once they got the Inmarsat data, they had to make the best use of it possible. They wrung every ounce of battery juice they could.
[Pereira:] They certainly did. All right, Jeff, the next one to you. What's the difference between the Bluefin 21 SONAR and the submarine SONAR? Why can't a submarine do the work faster?
[Jeff Wise, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] A submarine is a vessel filled with people and designed to travel through the open sea. A larger and more cumbersome piece of equipment. This Bluefin is an autonomous underwater vehicle. You can program it to follow closely the contours of the subsurface area. You don't have to worry so much about losing it if it runs into something underneath the water. It was likened to a Rumba earlier or to an automatic lawn mower. It is designed to go back and forth. It is suited to the task at hand than a large, cumbersome submarine.
[Pereira:] Another question coming in, this one's from Twitter. Mary, we will put it to you. Why don't cabin crews have a way to send distress call from outside the cockpit in case an incident occurs inside the cockpit?
[Schiavo:] What a great question. You know, we struggled with that. I worked on the 911 cases for 11 years. And one of the key pieces of information we had were phone calls from flight attendants who used the GTE air phones and their cell phones to get information out. But there was a lot of disagreement over what kind of communications they wanted to keep, the communications and really the command central, if you will, in the flight deck. But, oh, my goodness, those flight attendants worked mightily to get us intelligence on what they had. It's still that way, unfortunately.
[Pereira:] Do you think there will be a change because of this?
[Schiavo:] Well, probably not. I think they will still center the communications central in the flight deck, but I do think they will lengthen communications capability between the cabin and the flight deck. And I think that they will have streaming data. We must have streaming data from this point forward. There's just no excuse for this frantic search on the bottom of the ocean.
[Pereira:] Jeff, we'll put the last question to you. I think it's a question that many of us have considered. When will the search be considered a failure? This person who put this, Don Mont, said, I think this plane is lost forever.
[Wise:] That's really the million dollar question right now. I was surprised to hear they decide to call off the surface search. There's still a huge amount of ocean they haven't looked at. As for this underwater search, the area where the pings were found is actually itself rather small. Should be a matter of a day or two's work for this Bluefin to search that area and find out if anything's there. We heard that the Australians are preparing us to engage in a long drawn-out process. What that exactly would involve, it's not entirely clear. The search area will clearly be larger than the immediate area of the pings. But once that gets played out, once that's looked at and, if nothing is found, we'll really be left high and dry.
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[Whitfield:] Cher can't seem to forgive her late husband, Sonny Bono. During a recent Q&A; session on Facebook to promote her first album in 12 years, the singer and actress was asked a lot of questions about the husband she divorced back in 1975. Sam asked this, "Hi, Cher. If Sonny Bono were still alive today but you only had a minute to talk to him, what would you say?" Cher's response, "How hot is it where you just came from?" Ouch. Her feelings are nothing new. Just listen to this interview from just a few months ago.
[Cher, Performer And Actress:] When I was with Sonny, I really wasn't I was more like when I met him I was 16, so it didn't bother when until I was about 20-something, you know, 23. And it started to chafe at me. I really wanted to do what I wanted to do, say what I wanted to say. I didn't want to be shackled to someone else's opinion. And Sonny was very much, my opinion is your opinion. So when I decided to leave him, I just thought I have to get back to myself.
[Whitfield:] Wow. So just last month Cher told Reddit that Sonny's ghost played tricks on her at home. Sonny died in 1998. The New York City Marathon is being held for the first time in two years. Last year the race was cancelled because of Hurricane Sandy. Just a short time ago two Kenyans took first place in the men's and women's divisions. Our Alexandra Field joins us with more on the victories. So Alexandra, tell us more about the two winners and the grand prize.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Fred, for the men, Kenya's Geoffrey Mutai won the race with a finish time of 2 hours, 8 minutes and 23 second. For the women it was Kenya's Priscah Jeptoo with a time of 2 hours 25 minutes and 7 seconds. They each won $100,00 for that. They ran amid the 47,000 runners who set out to try and cross the finish line at New York City's Marathon. It is estimated a crowd of 2.5 million people are cheering them on along a course that spans the city's five boroughs. It took 2.5 hours just to get all those runners over the starting line. Seven hours into the race now, many of them are still out there, grinding out those 26.2 miles.
[Whitfield:] That is a bear of a race. So a Paralympic track medalist apparently made history as well. Tell us about her story.
[Field:] Well, one of the most moving moments of the race, Tatiana McFadden is paralyzed from the waist down. She was born with spina bifida. She won the race in today's wheelchair division. She also won her races this year at the marathons in London, Boston and Chicago. Today's victory makes her the first athlete ever to win the grand slam. That's all four major marathons in a single season, right, Fred? Wow.
[Whitfield:] That is incredible and then tell me about security and how it impacted the race at all today.
[Field:] That's just the reality of today's race. Given the attacks at the Boston Marathon back in April, runners faced a stricter security measure state. So did the crowd. But for runners in particular, they had to adjust to a few changes. They were told this year that they couldn't run with backpacks, they couldn't have water packs on their backs. They couldn't wear face masks. They couldn't wear those bulky costumes. People in the crowd, they were also told that if they brought large bags or backpacks those things would be subject to search. The goal here, just to make this a safe race day for everyone, Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, very good and glad it was. And congrats to the winners and really congrats to all of the racers. Anyone who attempts it and anyone who actually crosses the finish line, pretty extraordinary feat. Thanks so much, Alexandra. An Atlanta man has broken the record for the fastest cross-country drive ever. Ed Bolian drove cross-country from Manhattan to L.A. in just under 29 hours. How did he do that? And he stopped by our set this morning and talked to Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul on "NEW DAY."
[Christi Paul, Cnn:] What was the toughest part for you?
[Ed Bolian, Record-breaking Cross-country Driver:] Really the preparation. I spent literally almost 10 years dreaming about it and thinking about different ways to solve all of the problems that come up with trying to do something like this.
[Blackwell:] So you said that there were laser jammers and also bedpans. Were there pit stops at any time?
[Bolian:] Well, whenever anybody asks you, whenever you talk about driving across the country this fact, the question, is what about the cops? And the question is, where do you use the bathroom? And so fortunately the bedpans and bottles and things like that were not required for such a use. We stopped three times for gas and about five times on the side of the road.
[Paul:] And nobody every no arrests, no tickets, no nothing?
[Bolian:] No, you got to think, safety and avoidance of all of these things was obviously a top priority. But we had three people fully devoted to making sure that didn't happen.
[Blackwell:] So you now had this record, 2,850. Are you going to try again to break it?
[Bolian:] No, no, no.
[Blackwell:] OK. Once is enough.
[Bolian:] Exactly, exactly. I'm good here.
[Whitfield:] Pretty extraordinary. Well, glad that it ended and no one got hurt. All safe. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, NBC's "Saturday Night Live". The show caught a whole lot of grief over not having any black women on its cast. And now producers are dealing with it as only "SNL" can, with humor. That's coming up next.

[Carl Azuz:] The Middle Eastern nation of Yemen isn`t a particularly large country. It`s not the region`s most influential country. How might it become the battlefield for a proxy war? Hi. I`m Carl Azuz for CNN STUDENT NEWS. That`s what`s first up this Thursday, April 2. The United Nations says Yemen is on the brink of falling apart. The Houthis, a Yemeni rebel group, took over the government earlier this year. Saudi Arabia is leading a coalition of nearby countries in airstrikes against the Houthis. Some of them have been killed. Some civilians have been killed. The Houthi rebel leader refuses to surrender and the country has become a focus of international concern. What happens here and who winds up in charge of Yemen after the violence settles could shape the religious and political future of the Middle East.
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] Yemen is home to about 26 million people. It doesn`t have many natural resources, so accordingly, it is one of the poorest Arab states. So why are so many other nations interested in the rebels there who have attacked the government and why have a coalition of other Arab nations put together a military force to fight those rebels? Three big reasons. First of all, this is a religious conflict. The rebels are Shiites. The government they pushed out there was Sunni. Many of the nations out here have mixes of Sunnis and Shiites in them. Any way that this conflict plays out has a chance of affecting the overall mix and influence of those religions here. It`s all Islam, but there is still a power struggle going on. Secondly, this is a proxy war between two very big powers, Saudi Arabia, just to the north of Yemen there, and Iran over here. Again, Iran is Shiite, Saudi Arabia is Sunni. However this plays out in Yemen will have an impact on who is seen as a victor here and what sort of influence they continue to have in that region. And lastly, this conflict has put the United States in a very peculiar position at a sensitive time. Remember, Saudi Arabia is a long-time partner of the United States, an ally. But if the U.S. backs them too much, it could upset these delicate talks going on with Iran over its nuclear program. On top of all of that, Yemen has long been home to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and all of this is happening at a time when the United States and other Western powers want allies there against al Qaeda, against ISIS and against other terrorist groups. All of that has made Yemen not merely a flashpoint now, but a global focal point.
[Unidentified Male:] Time for the Shoutout. Which of these inventions was made during the Middle Ages? If you think you know it, shout it out. Was it the mechanical clock, eyeliner, Tesla coil or aqueduct. You`ve got three seconds. Go. The only one of these inventions made between the years 500 A.D. and the Renaissance was the mechanical clock. That`s your answer and that`s your Shoutout.
[Azuz:] Modern-day science might have just learned something from Middle Ages medicine. "Bald`s Leechbook," a medical textbook dating back to the 900s, has a recipe for an eye ointment garlic, onion or leeks, wine and part of a cow`s stomach. Researchers at the University of Nottingham in the U.K. recently decided to test this out as an antibiotic. They almost couldn`t believe the results. You`ve heard us talk about super bugs lately bacteria that are hard to kill with modern antibiotics. MRSA is an example. And shockingly, the 1,000-year-old eye remedy destroys MRSA. Its ingredients aren`t thought to be particularly effective on their own and researchers aren`t sure yet how they work together. Next step is to see if this works as well outside a laboratory setting. At first, some scientists might have thought an April Fool`s joke. It`s not. But there was no shortage of pranking going on yesterday. A UFO landing in Britain from 1989, Taco Bell buying the Liberty Bell from 1996, carrots with holes that whistle when you cook them from 2002. All of these are examples of April Fools hoaxes. How did this stuff get started?
[Chris Boyette, Cnn Correspondent:] Where did April Fools Day come from? Well, the origins are unclear, but one theory ties the unofficial holiday to a shifting calendar. In ancient cultures, New Year`s Day was celebrated on April 1. But in 1582, Pope Gregory XIII moved the holiday to January 1. Not everybody got the message. Those that continued to celebrate on April 1 were called April fools. Funny, right? Much of Britain didn`t adopt the new calendar until 1752. But they were celebrating April Fools Day long before that. In Scotland, it`s a two day affair. If you`ve ever had a kick me sign taped to your back, you might blame the Scots. April Fools Day has also been linked to the vernal equinox and the start of spring. That`s when the ancient Romans had their hilarious festival of Hilaria. Hindus have Holi and Purim is celebrated in Judaism. Some of the biggest April Fools Day pranks are courtesy of corporations and the media. In 1940, a press release from The Franklin Institute, a science museum in Philadelphia, declared the world would end the following day. They were seeking publicity for a lecture series and a local radio station reported on it. In 1957, the BBC falsely reported a bumper crop of spaghetti trees in Switzerland.
[Unidentified Male:] Another reason why this may be a bumper year lies in the virtual disappearance of the spaghetti weevil.
[Boyette:] And in 1998, Burger King announced the left-handed Whopper, specifically designed for the 32 million left-handed Americans, including myself.
[Azuz:] In 1982, Marilyn Price was on a mountain biking trip. She stopped at a spot where she could see all of San Francisco and she thought to herself, I want kids to see this, specifically the ones she`d recently met at a soup kitchen. Since then, the 74-year-old rider has helped tens of thousands of young people in the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond.
[Marilyn Price:] I`ve been riding since age four. I will never forget my father when he let go of my seat and I was there on my own and that was 70 years ago. A lot of kids have never really left the city. To them, everything is concrete. Is everybody excited? I decided to take kids who never had my kind of experience on these mountain bike rides. OK you guys, let`s hit the road.
[Unidentified Male:] I wasn`t trying at school. I was getting straight Fs so I got expelled. When we go on bike rides, I kind of feel like it clears my mind.
[Price:] Looking good! I`ve been doing this for almost 30 years. You bring them where there are no buildings. It is like wow, I didn`t know that this exists. And then we have our earn a bike program, where kids in the city come after school. What`s wrong with it?
[Unidentified Male:] The chain.
[Price:] So the chain is loose?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Price:] They learn how to work on bikes and they earn points toward bikes as their own. That looks great. They learn good job skills. This bike is getting quite an overhaul.
[Unidentified Male:] Now I have As and Bs. They`re like my guide to a better life.
[Price:] There is opportunity to see that, yes, I have been able to accomplish what I thought I couldn`t. Come on, you guys. It is not just biking. We are imparting life lessons.
[Azuz:] For the first time ever on our Roll Call, we`re taking you to the capital of Peru. That`s Lima. And we`re happy to see the students of Collegio Franklin Delano Roosevelt, The American School of Lima. Stateside, in Colorado, The Polar Bears of North Middle School made a request at cnnstudentnews.com. Hello to everyone in Aurora. We`ve also got some Bears in Central New Hampshire. Newfound Regional High School is on a roll from the town of Bristol. Before We Go Shapeshifting is no longer limited to science fiction. This frog does it. It was discovered in the Ecuadorian Andes Mountains. It`s able to change its skin from smooth to spiny in a matter of minutes. No other vertebrate is known to be able to change its skin texture. The animal`s about the size of a marble and scientists think the shapeshifting helps it blend into its mossy surroundings. They named it the punk rocker frog for its spikes. It`s not easy to frogette and you could never call it spineless. It might seem like...

[Banfield:] Last hour on CNN, you saw the youngest-ever recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize showing a wee bit of the spirit and the grace and the passion that has moved this globe. Seventeen-year-old Malala Yousafzai, she was shot in the head by the Pakistani Taliban two years ago two years ago yesterday, in fact just for daring to go to school and advocating for it. Since then, she has been a tireless campaigner for the rights of all children to an education.
[Malala Yousafzai, Nobel Peace Laureate:] It's sometimes quite difficult to express your feelings, but I felt really honored. I felt more powerful and more courageous because this award is not just a piece of medal that you would wear on a wall that you would keep in your room. But this is really an encouragement for me to go forward and to believe in myself, to know that there are people who are supporting me in this campaign. And we are standing together. We all want to make sure that every child gets quality education. So this is really something great for me.
[Banfield:] And Malala is sharing this year's her Peace Prize with a 60-year-old child-rights activist from India lovely that it's Pakistan and India. That's not lost on a lot of people. By the way, she was in chemistry class when she found out that she was the winner, and this is what the Malala Fund tweeted out. "Malala will make her first statement after school." After school and she did exactly that, after school. We could be really near to a resolution that some are saying would be a very fitting resolution to a terrible murder case from 1976. William Bradford Bishop Jr., a career foreign-service officer, accused of beating his mother, his wife, and his three young sons to death with a hammer, and then loading up their bodies into the family station wagon and driving them to North Carolina, all the way from Maryland, where he buried them in a shallow grave but not before setting their bodies on fire. Those are the facts. The case was featured on CNN's program, "THE HUNT WITH JOHN WALSH" just in July.
[Unidentified Male:] Dug a shallow grave.
[Lewis Young, Former State Investigator, North Carolina:] He just didn't dig this hole in 15 minutes. It took some time to dig it three feet deep.
[Unidentified Male:] He then placed all of the bodies of his family members in that shallow grave.
[Banfield:] So this isn't just a plug for John's show. John's show "THE HUNT," may have actually solved this case, because there was a viewer who was watching in Alabama and thought, you know, there's something really uncanny about that William Bradford Bishop Jr. He sure looks a lot like a drifter who was killed by a hit-and-run driver in the town of Scottsboro in 1981. That man's body, by the way, was exhumed.
[Paul Daymond, Fbi:] CNN'S program, "THE HUNT WITH JOHN WALSH," aired a Top Ten fugitive was aired, Mr. Bishop, and asked the public for any assistance that they had recognizing him. Mr. Collins, who works at the or worked at the Scottsboro Funeral Home, recognized John Doe and also recognized Mr. Bishop.
[Jeremy Collins, Funeral Home Employee:] Well, me and my wife was watching it on the couch and watching television, and I had seen the picture of him from the funeral home. And I told her. I said, you know, this really looks a lot like the guy that was in the "Daily Sentinel," and it looked too much like him to not do something about it.
[Banfield:] Awesome. DNA tests at an FBI lab are expected to take a few weeks, and so, if this really plays out, it would be the second case to be closed through tips generated by John's show. It's a great show, "THE HUNT WITH JOHN WALSH." I encourage you to watch it. Just in case you're wondering, in July, a suspected sex offender was tracked down in New York City and killed in a police shootout. This was after tips from John's program. We're very proud of him for that. When you're almost a heartbeat away from the presidency and then there are police reports about you and your family, they make news. And this one is jaw dropping involving members of Sarah Palin family. It includes fist fighting and blood and dirt and all right, coming up next.

[Blackwell:] Pop star Miley Cyrus throws another shovel full of dirt on her alter ego Hannah Montana. Look at the new video. Well, look at the parts we can show on television, at least.
[Feyerick:] And just hours after leaking online, the video has the cyber universe all a-Twitter. Miley wasn't alone in making headlines this past year. CNN's Nischelle Turner counts down the top ten entertainment stories of 2013.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] Bieber's bad boy behavior Justin Bieber hasn't left he spotlight since hitting the scene in 2009 but 2013 found the teen heartthrob making news for the wrong reasons. In fact, "The Daily Beast" declares it Bieber's year of affluenza.
[Justin Bieber, Singer:] What did you say?
[Turner:] From paparazzi brawls to pet monkey drama to neighborhood disturbances, Bieber struggled to stay out of trouble this year. Kimye is born. Kanye West and Kim Kardashian continue their reign as the royal tabloid couple in 2013. Sure, West had a number one album and hit tour but nothing made as much news as his love life. The pair welcomed the birth of their daughter, North "Nori" West in June. In the year of the selfie and in typical Kardashian fashion, Kim took to social media to unveil her post baby body. West then rented out AT&T; Park in San Francisco to surprise Kardashian with a marriage proposal.
[George Howell, Cnn:] We have been following this breaking news. Actor Paul Walker has died.
[Turner:] A fast and furious death. Fans' hearts broke after Paul Walker's unexpected passing over Thanksgiving weekend. The 40-year- old actor was killed in a car crash outside Los Angeles. Fans and famous friends came out to show their support for the box office powerhouse who also found success in films such as "Eight Below" and "Flags of Our Fathers". Beyonce's return to the stage the singer caused waves lip syncing the National Anthem at the presidential inauguration in January only to prove her star power in a show stopping Super Bowl half time show. Beyonce spent most of the year touring the world with her "Mrs. Carter Show" before surprising everyone with the release of her fifth studio album. It quickly became not only the fastest selling album of her career but also in iTunes history. Queen B is ending the year at the top of her game. Basic cable ruled TV. "The Walking Dead" rose to record ratings, proving we're still inflicted with zombie fever. The critically acclaimed "Breaking Bad" concluded its five season run and nearly blew up social media in the process. And "Duck Dynasty" revealed reality TV is still guiding the conversation. Star, Phil Robertson's recent anti-gay comments stirred controversy. But basic cable shows still kept people buzzing. From Oscar gold to box office magic, Jennifer Lawrence received the Best Actress Oscar for her performance in "Silver Lining's Playbook" and won us over while falling on the stage to collect the award. It wasn't long before Lawrence found herself at the top of the box office with the release of the "Hunger Games" sequel "Catching Fire". Hollywood's latest "It" girl ranked only behind Angelina Jolie on Forbes list of Hollywood's highest-paid actress. Now Lawrence is already receiving award buzz for her scene-stealing performance in "American Hustle". Angelina's brave choice: Angelina Jolie shocked everyone with her "New York Times" op-ed, revealing she underwent a double mastectomy. The Oscar winner and mother of six underwent the preventative procedure after learning she carries a gene mutation that increases her risk of developing cancer. The announcement inspired other women to consider the procedure as an option. Paula Deen's downfall: a year ago, the celebrity chef was on top of the word. That all came crashing down after the release of a deposition in a lawsuit by a former employee. In the deposition, Deen admitted using the "n" word in the past. Fans turned their backs on the southern star, as did many of her endorsement deals. Deen went on to apologize, but it's yet to be seen if she can reclaim her throne.
[Unidentified Female:] HBO is confirming that actor James Gandolfini has died.
[Turner:] James Gandolfini's unexpected passing sent shockwaves through Hollywood. The "Sopranos" actor died of a heart attack at the age of 51 while on vacation in Italy. The Emmy Winner's final film, the romantic comedy "Enough Said" opened after his death to critical acclaim and earned Gandolfini his final SAG award nomination. Miley Cyrus got everybody talking with her onstage antics. Cyrus made news with her controversial performance at the MTV VMAs, the former Hannah Montana star proved her teen persona was nothing but a distant memory. Cyrus followed the performance with news of her break-up with long- time fiance, Liam Hemsworth. Her first number one hit was "Wrecking Ball" hit album "Bangers" and the celebration of her 21st birthday. It's Miley's world and we're just living in it.
[Blackwell:] Ok. A big year in news also means a big year on Twitter. Here's a look at the most tweeted news events in 2013. Number one, can you guess it? The Boston Marathon that drew 27 million tweets. You know, the bombing and the recovery of Boston Strong. So many people created that hash tag. Game seven of the NBA finals between with the Miami Heat and the Spurs that was 26.7, close second. And in third place, the outage at the Super Bowl I tweeted a couple of times about that myself. That combined with Beyonce's performance drew 24 million tweets. 18 million tweets were sent after MTV's Video Music Awards thanks to number one on the entertainment list, Miley Cyrus. And rounding out the top five, the announcement of the new pontiff, Pope Francis that garnered more than 130,000 tweets per minute.
[Feyerick:] Yes, he had help. I'm kidding direct line.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Feyerick:] Well, what do you think was the biggest news story of 2013? We want to hear from you. Voting is underway right now at cnn.com. There you'll see a list of 20 stories; we want you to choose your top 10. Then on December 30th and that is coming up fast, at 9:00 a.m. Eastern online and on TV, we're going to reveal the top ten stories of 2013 as voted on by you, our viewers. That is cnn.comyir.
[Blackwell:] Still to come there is nothing worse than getting out of a cab only to realize you left something. That's what happened to one very unlucky passenger in Las Vegas this week. But you have to hear what he left behind and why the cab driver is being applauded.

[Blitzer:] California is facing historic drought conditions. And to meet the growing demand for fresh water, scientists are now tapping the Pacific Ocean. Here's our Rachel Crane.
[Rachel Crane, Cnn Correspondent:] With California experiencing one of the worst droughts in the state's history, access to fresh water has never been more important or more difficult. Here in southern California, the largest desalination plant in the western hemisphere is being constructed. It will soon take water from the ocean and create 50 million gallons of fresh water a day.
[Bob Yamada, San Diego County Water Authority:] California is in a serious drought right now. And any new water supplies are important to the region.
[Peter Maclaggan, Senior Vice President Of Project Development, Poseidon Resources Corporation:] We have $190 billion economy in this region that's dependent on water. The question you need to consider is, what's the cost of not having enough water?
[Yamada:] Unlike, let's say, a water that comes from rainfall or water that comes from snow pack, we're utilizing what essentially is the world's largest reservoir, the pacific ocean.
[Crane:] The Carlsbad desalination plant will cost approximately $1 billion. The fresh water will be pumped ten miles underground to a regional delivery system, providing water to an additional 300,000 San Diego County residents. Customers, they won't know whether they're drinking desalinated water or not.
[Yamada:] That's right. It will just become part of the overall supply.
[Crane:] Through a process called reverse osmosis, the plant will convert every two gallons of sea water into one gallon of fresh water, filtering out 99.9 percent of the salt. The salt, or brine that's removed, is discharged back into the ocean. The desalination process traditionally takes a lot of energy. A plant this size would normally use as much energy in a single day as 70 homes in a year. Officials at the Carlsbad plant say theirs will use 46 percent less energy. The project is not without criticism. Environmentalists point out that desalination requires a lot of energy, and that brine discharge can negatively impact marine life.
[Unidentified Male:] We're creating more marine wetlands south of San Diego bay to create new habitat so fish can reproduce there. With respect to the brine discharge, we dilute the brine with sea water before it leaves the site.
[Crane:] The plant is expected to be completed in 2016.
[Yamada:] And everybody is ex extremely excited to see this project coming online and providing us with new water supply.
[Blitzer:] That was Rachel Crane reporting. On this day in history, June 18th, 1966, U.S. senior military commander, general William Wesmoreland requested increase of more than 100,000 troops in Vietnam. His request was granted over a three-year period and by 1969, more than 500,000 U.S. troops were in Vietnam. Vietnam is also the topic of this week's episode in "the Sixties." Watch CNN or set the DVR for tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. That's it for me. Thanks very much for watching. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. I will be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in THE SITUATION ROOM. "NEWSROOM" with Brooke Baldwin starts now.

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] President Obama, to speak at any moment in Virginia. He is the biggest political heavy weight to hit the trail in Virginia on behalf of the Democratic gubernatorial nominee. Toronto's mayor is sticking to his guns and said, again today, he will not resign, even though police claimed they have video reportedly showing Rob Ford smoking a crack cocaine pipes. The mayor reinforced his position a short time ago on his weekly Toronto radio show. Nick Valencia is following today's development. So, Nick, the mayor did offer apology, but is that as far as he was willing to go?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Pretty much. He didn't specifically address drug abuse allegations during this radio show but he did apologize. It has been a long week for the mayor of Toronto, we should say. It has been drug abuse allegations, erratic behavior allegations and he started his radio show by apologizing for his behavior. I believe we have some quotes here from the mayor. He said he is not perfect. He has made some mistakes and all he can do right now is apologized for those mistakes. But he is taking full responsibility. He did look visibly stressed, Fred, during his program. Local media reports saying that he arrived playing "staying alive" by the Bee Gees and that seemed to be his theme of his radio broadcast, though, it never specifically addressing exactly what happened these allegations this week. On Thursday the police chief of Toronto came out and said that there is digital video proof that they of the mayor smoking a glass pipe is in place, drug abuse allegations. They also had a 450-page report which looked into gang and drug activity. And they say he is featured prominently in that report, Fred, saying that he is has hung out and took pictures in front of a crack house with three alleged drug gang members. Also, tying him to his former driver who since have been arrested in-charge with extortion charges related to this video. There is report that this former driver was threatening those that has this video so that it wouldn't be release. And that video is important to point out has not been made public yet.
[Whitfield:] And why is that? I mean, if the police chief is saying we have this and you are also have been able to report that there are some reporters who have seen it. Why wouldn't the city's top cop say, this is was we have?
[Valencia:] And that is a thing. We are unsure about if they saw this video and this alleged drug abuse by the mayor, why they are not formally pressing charges against the mayor. Why hasn't this video been released publicly just yet. But three reporters have seen it, one reporter from Garker and two local Toronto reporters alleged to have seen this video, this bombshell evidence. They say that shows the mayor is addicted to crack cocaine and possibly. But you would think this would shrink his public support. But local media is reporting that it has boosted his support by five percent. Extraordinary.
[Whitfield:] All right, extraordinary. Apology admission of mistakes, however, no real detail on those mistakes. All right, thank you so much, Nick. Keep us posted on that.
[Valencia:] You got it.
[Whitfield:] All right, now, new details about the suspected LAX gunman show that he had one target in mind. The FBI says Paul Ciancia was carrying a handwritten note indicating that he wanted to shoot multiple TSA officers. Kyung Lah has more on his terrifying march through terminal three.
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] Investigators are still piecing together their timeline of what happened inside terminal three. They don't know every step of Paul Ciancia's path to the terminal. [on-camera]: But here is what they do know. A roommate dropped him off here at the airport. He entered at about 9:20 in the morning one of these entrances at terminal three. According to pictures like this one as well as surveillance video. The gun was a 223 caliber assault rifle which Ciancia concealed in a bag. He then approached TSA officer Gerardo Hernandez who was standing there where those flowers are. This is a prescreening area and he shot him point blank multiple times in the chest. He then got on this escalator
[Adnre Birotte Jr., U.s. Attorney:] The defendant is then alleged to have began walking away from the wounded TSA officer, going up an escalator and then coming back down that escalator to return and shoot the wounded officer again.
[Lah:] At the top of the escalator is a security checkpoint. At some point he wounded two additional TSA officers and one passenger. This is the other side of the checkpoint. From here the bun gunman made his way deep into the terminal three. Cell phone video captured the chaos as he neared the passenger gates.
[Alex Neumann, Witness:] People were running and getting knocked down and there was luggages everywhere and mayhem is the best way to describe it.
[Lah:] We are speeding up the video so he can see his path as he wound through the terminal making his way through the gate area. Ciancia had five loaded magazines, a host of unspent ammo enough said the mayor of Los Angeles to kill everybody in the terminal. It ended right around here where Los Angeles airport police shot the gunman a handwritten note was found on him.
[David Bowdich, Fbi Agent In Charge:] We found a statement where he made a conscious decision to kill multiple TSA employees. He addressed them at one point in the letter and stated that he wanted to quote "instill fear into their traderous minds."
[Lah:] As the FBI works out the details of this murderous path, the TSA is also asking how in this post 911 era did the gunman make it this close to an American passenger plane.
[John Pistole, Tsa Administrator:] As this gives us a great concern. And so, we will look at what our policies are but it is done in cooperation with each airport police agency and how we go about providing for the best possible security.
[Lah:] Because on this day in America's third busiest airport, it failed to prevent one man with a gun from doing this. Kyung Lah, CNN Los Angeles.
[Whitfield:] The wife from the officer killed in that attack said he was always excited to go to work and took pride in this job. 39-year- old Gerardo Hernandez was working as a travel document checker when he was shot on Friday. His wife, Ana, said that she and their two children are simply devastated.
[Ana Hernandez, Gerardo Hernandez's Wife:] He was a wonderful husband, father, brother, son and friend. Gerardo would have been 40 next week. I am truly devastated. We are all heartbroken and will miss him dearly.
[Whitfield:] Hernandez had been working for the TSA since 2010. He is the first TSA officer to be killed in the line of duty. John Kerry is in Cairo today asking Egyptians to work towards democracy. The secretary of state met with Egypt's foreign minister and told Egyptians the U.S. didn't suspend military aide to the country as a punishment for the over throw of its first Democratically elected president, but because it is quote " policy." Kerry is the highest level official to visit since Egypt since former president Mohammad Morsi's ouster. Morsi is accused of inciting violence during anti-government protest during the summer. His trial begins tomorrow. After NSA leaker Edward Snowden met with a German lawmaker in Moscow, he reportedly said he is willing to testify in a German inquiry about U.S. spying on Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel. Snowden will go to Germany as long as that country doesn't send him to the U.S. Snowden also said that in a manifesto of truth published today in a German newspaper that he feels justified in spilling intelligence secrets. Our Barbara Starr has more on Snowden's reported interest in testifying before U.S. Congress.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] The German lawmaker who met Edward Snowden said the confessed NSA leaker isn't anti-American. He wants to testify in front of Congress.
[Hans-christian Stroebele, German Mp:] He stressed many times to my question if he is ready to come before the German parliament to testify that he would rather go before the U.S. Congress and put all the facts on the table because his message is about clarifying, possible serious offenses by the
[U.s.a. Starr:] Jesselyn Radack of the whistleblower advocacy group, the government accountability project recently met with Snowden in Moscow. She says he is making his own decisions and is not being manipulated by the Russians.
[Jesselyn Radack, Government Accountability Project:] Despite the police state surveillance state we have been turning into. So, I do think he would love to come back some day if the conditions politically were different.
[Starr:] For NSA chief general Keith Alexander, the turmoil caused by Snowden's revelations now giving him second thoughts on whether spying on allies like German Chancellor Angela Merkel was worth it.
[Keith Alexander, Nsa Director:] I think those partnerships have greater value than some of the collection and we ought to look at it like that.
[Starr:] The intelligence community adamantly denies a collected telephone and e-mail records directly from European citizens calling reports base on leaks by Snowden completely false. But secretary of state John Kerry acknowledging the U.S. they went too far and still mopping up the diplomatic fiasco.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] The president, our president is determined to try and clarify that made clear
[Starr:] But for director of National Intelligence James Clapper, no apologies in Snowden's direction.
[Rep. Michele Bachmann , Minnesota:] And so, let me ask you this. Was that leaker in question, Ed Snowden, was he a traitor?
[James Clapper, National Intelligence Director:] Are you asking me?
[Bachmann:] Yes.
[Clapper:] Absolutely.
[Whitfield:] Bring in now Barbara Starr. So, should we believe this, Barbara, that there would be any possible chance that Edward Snowden would come back to the United States, testify before Congress and not face any charges.
[Starr:] Very unlikely as in no way, Fredricka. You know, top administration officials have been asked about this on the Sunday talk shows and also top members of Congress, the chairs in the Senate and House intelligence committees. There is just simply no appetite for anything like leniency, clemency, any of it. If Snowden comes back, they all say, he will face charges for leaking classified information.
[Whitfield:] All right, Barbara Starr in Washington, thanks so much. All right, meantime, President Obama is hitting the campaign trail, just really across the Potomac. He is expected to speak at any moment now in Virginia. Why he is trying to drum up support in that state's governor's race.

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] We have breaking news right now. A burning chemical plant near Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It is the Williams Olefins plant. It is near Geismar, Louisiana. Something triggered an explosion. That fire is still burning. Well, so far, police and firefighters are only saying that there are some injuries, some people who are hurt. They are not saying how many or how badly. They don't have that information yet. But this plant produces chemicals used to make plastic. Now, emergency officials, they have evacuated a two-mile radius around that plant. They are telling people who live nearby to stay in their homes as a precaution. This is CNN NEWSROOM, and I'm Suzanne Malveaux. We are following this story, storms, strong wind gusts could hit Colorado today. It is bad news for fire fighters who are struggling to contain a ferocious wildfire. This is near Colorado Springs. Now, officials now say that the black forest fire has burned down 360 homes and destruction far from over. I want to bring in Victor Blackwell. He is in Colorado Springs. Victor, how many homes are we talking about here in the path?
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Suzanne, it's tough to answer because of the wind. The officials here say that the wind is making the storm so unpredictable the fire fighters on the front lines who are preparing for this, digging out lines, they prepare for the fire to go in one direction and then it goes in another or in two directions. But I can tell you this that in the last 18 hours, this situation has intensified dramatically. Consider these numbers. Yesterday, last night, in fact, the sheriff told us 92 homes had been destroyed by this fire. This morning that number is up to 360 making this the most destructive storm as it relates to property in Colorado history. The people covered by this evacuation order last night, that number was 10,000. Today, that number is 38,000. So, when you ask about properties that are in danger, I can tell you, inside that 93 square mile area that's being covered by this, the 93,000 acres instead, that are being covered by this evacuation order, 13,000 homes. Of course, no one expects all of those homes to burn but that's the number of homes that could be in danger.
[Malveaux:] Victor, I assume that fire fighters are really gearing up for those high winds that's expected there. What are they doing to prepare for this afternoon?
[Blackwell:] Well, they're continuing the water drops that we've seen now that some of the smoke has cleared out. Early this morning, it was so hazy that it was difficult to get planes up. But we know they've got about four to eight choppers. We saw that DC-10, the tanker 911, dropping retardant and water. But the people who have been pushed out of their homes, they're scattered all over. Some of them are in hotels. Some of them are with friends and family. There's a shelter that's opened. Actually, one had to be evacuated because of poor air quality so they were moved to another shelter. I spoke this afternoon with a family of seven living in a camper in a Walmart parking lot waiting to find out if their home is one of the 360 that have been destroyed and if the fire is moving in that direction Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] All right. Victor, thank you. Be safe as always. On the east coast, the threat today, it is rain, wind, hail, potential tornados as well. It's the same storm system that pounded the Midwest last night. Setting off tornados, dangerous straight line winds, luckily no one was hurt. Chicago got hammered with hail and lightning. Look at this. This is the Willis Tower, took a direct hit. Many of you know the landmark building as the Sears Tower. I want to bring in our Chad Myers at the CNN Weather Center. Chad, you used to live in Chicago.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] I know that building well. That is very dramatic.
[Myers:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] I imagine people were pretty afraid when they saw that.
[Myers:] You know, and if the storms didn't bump into each other last night, Chicago would have had a much bigger hit. No question about it. But the storms were bumping into each not allowing one storm to be what we called super cell tornadic thunderstorm and that was the great news. I know it looked ugly. I know the skies were green. That's the hail in the sky. Think about looking at an old coke bottle. You look down in the bottle, you see the green on the top of the bottle. That's the same kind of refraction that you get from the hailstones in the sky. That's why your sky was green last night, almost an aqua at some time. That weather has now pushed offshore. We talked about that derecheo that was possible yesterday. It never really developed into anything as significant as the one last year but the weather has slid off down the Jersey shore. What we're worried about for the next couple of hours as this all moves on by is that regeneration of weather here just to the south of Washington, D.C., here's West Virginia, and into Virginia. The new threat for severe weather today is slightly south of D.C. The tornadic threat from the tide water back towards Raleigh in the 5 percent. Now, there is still a slight chance all the way back even into West Virginia and into Mississippi so that's kind of where it is there. Here is your hail probability, the core there right over tide water into the piedmont of North Carolina, same story here. But we will see severe weather, some severe weather, whether it's hail, wind, all the way back, Mississippi, Alabama, here in Atlanta for sure reaching to Charlotte and all the way back up into Raleigh. That's the bull's eye today if we're ever going to see severe weather. Not as severe, though, the potential, as yesterday. Still there but not like yesterday.
[Malveaux:] All right, Chad, we're going to be watching. Stormy weather disrupting air travel as well. CNN correspondents, they tweeted out these pictures of passengers. This is Chicago's O'Hare Airport. They were sleeping on cots last night. That's right, more than 360 flights cancelled at O'Hare just yesterday alone. The storms has also caused more than two dozen flight cancelations at Chicago's Midway Airport. And big decision here. U.S. Supreme Court ruling on an issue that's been in the headlines recently, quite frankly, because of actress Angelina Jolie. What we're talking about here is the gene mutation linked to an increased risk of breast cancer. Now, you might recall Jolie revealed that she had undergone a double mastectomy because the mutation put her at higher risk of the disease. Well today, the high court ruled that human genes cannot be patented. I want to bring in our Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin to talk about that angle, also our Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Jeff, I want to start with you first here. So, this particularly involves a case with a company that identified the brac one, brac two gene mutation. So, explain, not in legalese but in simple terms here, what did the court decide?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] Well, what the court said, unanimously by the way, in an position in an opinion written by Justice Clarence Thomas, they said, look, this brac gene is part of the body. It's like an elbow and you can't patent an elbow. You can't patent something that everybody has and occurs naturally in the world. What you can patent is what you do to it and how you test it. But the actual part of the body itself, which the patent office had granted a patent on, you can't do it. So, anyone, any company can now go to that gene and come up with its own tests for breast cancer or for anything else. That's the gist of the decision.
[Malveaux:] That was a very good explanation there, Jeff.
[Toobin:] Well, thank you, Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] Pretty simple.
[Toobin:] That's why I'm here, you know?
[Malveaux:] The elbow the elbow analogy, I like that.
[Toobin:] The elbow.
[Malveaux:] So, Sanjay, so if you want to get tested, right, genetic testing here, how would that impact you? Would it actually be cheaper now? Is there more competition? What does this mean for people who actually want to undergo these type of tests?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] I think both those things. I think it's likely, not right away but soon, it'll probably become cheaper and it will probably become more accessible. There is an interesting nuance here just to build a little bit on what Jeffrey said because I think this is important. But the headlines you'll read from myriad, the company that was at the heart of this lawsuit was that the Supreme Court upheld the patenting of CDNA. And I had a lot of people who will read that CDNA is complementary DNA and the science which Jeff again explained is they're not saying you can you know, when they are looking for the gene, they are looking for a specific gene but then in order to make it useful to them to study it, they got to make a copy of it, a template
[Malveaux:] Right.
[Gupta:] if you will. And that's the CDNA. That they have to do that. They have to actually use their techniques to create that copy and then from there they can make the testing for the for the gene mutations. Other companies will now be able to create their own templates and make their own testing. It was the gene itself that they were trying to patent. Your gene, mine, anybody who has a mutation of that of that breast cancer gene, that's what they were trying to patent and they can't do that.
[Malveaux:] And, Jeff, I want to bring you back here because this was a unanimous decision which is really pretty rare in the Supreme Court. Why did that happen?
[Gupta:] Well, you know, in fairness to the justices, about 30 to 40 percent of their decisions are unanimous every year. It tends to be the high profile constitutional issues that are that are the one where you get all the 5-4 decisions and the big decisions that we're all waiting for by the end of the month, the future of affirmative action, the future of the voting rights act, the two same sex marriage cases about the defense of marriage act and proposition 8 in California. We didn't get a decision on those today. And we will probably get them either next week or the following week. Next Monday is the next day the court sits and you can be sure that those will not be unanimous.
[Malveaux:] Oh, yes, those are going to be hot. All right, Jeff. Thanks. Jeffrey Toobin in New York and, of course, Dr. Sanjay Gupta here in Atlanta. Good to see you.
[Gupta:] Thank you.
[Malveaux:] For more on Supreme Court rulings, go to CNN.com and coming up, the fallout now over the secret government surveillance of phone and Internet traffic now creating some pretty unusual alliances. We're talking about the political impact up next and Rob Lowe moving back to the west wing. Only this time, he is playing John F. Kennedy. The resemblance, uncanny. A sneak peek up ahead. Then a Hispanic boy slammed for wearing a Mariachi outfit while singing the "National Anthem" at the at an NBA finals. Well, he is speaking out. You're going to be hearing what he is saying plus you can hear him sing, too.
[Unidentified Male:] I think the people were talking bad was because of what I was wearing. And it's not my fault. It's what I love. And I'm just

[Announcer:] Two, one, zero and liftoff. The final liftoff of "Atlantis" on the shoulders of the space shuttle. America will
[Malveaux:] Awesome. This is the closest people ever get to seeing a space shuttle. But in a T-minus eight days the shuttle "Atlantis" is going to be put on public display at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. John Zarrella got a sneak peek at the shuttle's new home. Watch.
[John Zarrella, Cnn Correspondent:] Up close, nearly close enough to touch it. But still it begs the question, is it real?
[Tom Jones, Shuttle Astronaut:] You don't realize the size when you're living in the cabin up front.
[Zarrella:] Tom Jones flew four shuttle missions, one on "Atlantis." But one of the last times he saw it, it was wrapped in shrink wrap as the museum was being built around it. Now even he, an astronaut, is in awe of it.
[Jones:] To really see the spaceship up close was a rare event. It was always cloaked in scaffolding in the hangar. You saw bits and pieces like seeing the elephant as a blind man. But you never got this close to the vehicle fully revealed until it was right after landing. Even that was just for a glimpse.
[Zarrella:] When the $100 million "Atlantis" exhibit opens, this is how everyone will see it, a flying machine like none ever built.
[Jones:] Were we ever that audacious to go build spacecraft to do things like that? I think we're going to look back and it's going to be as if it was something out of a science fiction movie.
[Zarrella:] Atlantis and the other orbiters, now retired, are reminders of both the past and the present. For two years since "Atlantis" touched down at the Kennedy Space Center, the U.S. has been without its own means to put astronauts in space.
[Christopher Ferguson, Shuttle Commander:] We call it a gap. Not sure how long it's going to last. That's dependent upon these future commercial providers.
[Zarrella:] Commercial companies have taken over ferrying cargo to the international space station, but not people. That was supposed to happen by 2015. Now the gap has widened. It's a very iffy 2017. Target dates are etched in sand, not stone. Not enough money from Congress, NASA says. So astronauts fly on Russian rockets. Jones believes a new generation of space explorers will find their inspiration right here.
[Jones:] A young person can come in here and say, I want to fly something like this. I want to help design something like this. It can be a part of their future. And that's a very bright future for America in the 21st century if we capitalize on the experience we have here.
[Zarrella:] NASA is also working on a rocket for deep-space missions. That, too, is years away. So for now, the inspiration gap is being filled by vehicles, not on the launch pad, but in museums. John Zarrella, CNN, at the Kennedy Space Center.
[Malveaux:] Cool stuff. Thanks, John. In Boston today, James "Whitey" Bulger was not the most recognizable person at his murder trial. Courtroom witnesses actually say Oscar- winning actor, Robert Duvall, was sitting in the back of the room watching the trial, the judge, the lawyers, soaking in the atmosphere. Duvall is in Boston, filming a movie called "The Judge." He wouldn't tell a reporter for sure if he was there for work reasons, only that he found the trial interesting. And this. A story we've been following. A child born deaf hears for the first time. You're going to hear from his parents, up next.
[Len Clamp, Grayson's Father:] Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you.
[Len Clamp:] Daddy loves you.
[Unidentified Mother Of Grayson Clamp:] Yes.

[Harlow:] NBA fans refreshing
[Scholes:] You know, I think he should. You know, despite going to four straight NBA finals with the Heat, the Cavs may actually be a better choice based solely on basketball. If we look at the Heat's current roster right now, they only have four players. They have Norris Cole, rookie Shabazz Napier and two [inaudible] acquisitions Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger. So if you add LeBron, Wade and Bosh to that, it's probably not as good as the Heat of the past four years. Ad to that Dwyane Wade's knee problems he's been having. You know, he only played 54 games last year. And the Heat's roster looks even less desirable. Now the Cavs on the other hand, they have one of the most up and coming rosters in the NBA thanks to having the first pick in the draft three times since LeBron left. They have rookie sensation Andrew Wiggins. They have Anderson Verajao who's the only hold over from when LeBron was last playing for the Cavs. They also have Kyrie Irving, all-star point guard who continues to get better and better very season. Now they also have the potential to add another big piece and that's all-star Kevin Love. The Cavs have reportedly had discussions with Minnesota to acquire Love if LeBron agrees to go back to Cleveland. The only bad part of that would be that the Cavs would probably have to trade Andrew Wiggins in that deal. But it would still be a great trade because it would create this new big three of LeBron, Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. And Poppy that would be the best big three there is in the
[Nba. Harlow:] First of all, do not take Kevin Love from Minnesota, please don't do that.
[Scholes:] He says he wants to go no matter what. We'll see what happens.
[Harlow:] I know. And you know it's been interesting. I've been reading, a lot of reports that had been saying a lot of these big names are waiting to teams and players waiting to see where they're going to go, all depending on what LeBron James does. I mean he has so much pull. When it comes to Cleveland fans, I think they're salivating after they heard what you just had to say. I want you to listen to some of what the folks in Cleveland have to say about LeBron's possible return.
[Unidentified Female:] I love LeBron James. I hope he comes back. Cleveland misses you.
[Unidentified Male:] I've got some real bitter feelings when he first left, but happy to get a championship back in Cleveland. He definitely made me care about the Cavs and actually go see games and I would love to have him back.
[Unidentified Female:] He should have never left us. I think he should come back. I think he we got a good, young team here. I hope that everybody goes to all your games and the "Q" is completely packed all the time.
[Unidentified Male:] I understand basketball players and sports players will leave for the money. But the way he rubbed his nose in Cleveland in the whole decision thing. He dissed us, he played us real bad. Just not welcome back.
[Unidentified Female:] I think it would be awesome for the city of Cleveland for LeBron to come back, but it's just amazing how one individual impacts so many people's lives.
[Unidentified Male:] If he did come back, he won't get the same love as he did before he left because of the way he left. LeBron's from here. He has always been part of us. I mean if he does come back, I mean we can use the help. I mean honestly, you know what I'm saying?
[Harlow:] Wow. I don't know, Andy. It's like you can't win. I mean you win if you're LeBron James. You have a stellar career and a couple of bucks in your pocket. But you can't win you can't please everyone.
[Scholes:] That's right. And you know what, Poppy, there's a new report out. ESPN saying this morning that the one thing holding LeBron from going back to Cleveland is that letter that owner Dan Gilbert wrote four years ago where he just bashed LeBron James for leaving the Heat.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Scholes:] ESPN is reporting that's the one thing LeBron that's still holding him up from committing to going back to Cleveland and some people think that LeBron's camp actually put that out there so that Dan Gilbert is the one fans end up blaming for LeBron coming back and not LeBron himself. We'll have to see what happens. It's a very interesting dynamic. Hopefully Poppy though, we find out today and this doesn't drag out into the weekend.
[Harlow:] Right because he's heading to the World Cup. But if we don't find out today, people will keep crashing his Web site until we do find out.
[Scholes:] Me included.
[Harlow:] We do find out Andy Scholes. Thanks so much. We'll be right back.

[Costello:] Checking some of the top stories for you this morning at 47 minutes past the hour. Eight terror suspects have been arrested in northern Spain. The officials say the suspects are believed to be part of a jihadist terror cell and were planning attacks in Spain. Police also say they were believed to be recruiting fighters to send to Syria and Iraq. An American health worker infected with Ebola will soon begin treatment in Maryland. The patient will arrive today at the National Institutes of Health. It is the same hospital where Dallas nurse Nina Pham survived and is now Ebola free. The health worker had been volunteering at an Ebola treatment center in Sierra Leone and was transported from Northern Africa in isolation on a chartered plane. CNN's new series "FINDING JESUS" examines the life and death of Jesus by looking at what he left behind. This week's episode takes a closer look at his disciple Judas, his betrayal, and how it began at the last supper.
[David Gibson, Co-author, "finding Jesus: Faith, Fact, Forgery":] When Jesus had the disciples meet for the last supper, the tension is really building up. Through the week that they've been in Jerusalem, there have been increasing conflicts with authorities. Something big was about to happen.
[Unidentified Female:] I think there's a real sense of foreboding at the last supper, the way that it's portrayed in the gospels.
[Unidentified Male:] There is that moment at the meal, this intimacy. To eat a meal with somebody is to be family with them. Jesus announces that one of you, one of the 12, will betray me.
[Costello:] Co-author of "Finding Jesus: Faith, Fact, Forgery" David Gibson joins me to talk about this. I cannot wait to watch this episode.
[Gibson:] This is a terrific topic. I mean, look, this is the greatest traitor in all of history virtually. Being a Judas is synonymous with being a betrayer, isn't it? But what really happened back there 2000 years ago? I mean, Jesus came to Earth to die on the cross, so someone had to betray him. These are big questions.
[Costello:] So the information you're going to present to the audience comes from a gospel that we're not familiar with.
[Gibson:] The opening I think in this episode is really about this Gospel of Judas, which game to light a few years ago. And it was supposed to revolutionize everything we thought we knew about the gospels, that Judas was not the great traitor; he was working at Jesus' command, that Jesus said you have to betray me. And that came out and everybody thought oh my gosh, that everything we knew about the Easter story virtually is wrong. But is that really the case? What is this papyrus? What is this Gospel of Judas? Is it real? And does it say what we think it says?
[Costello:] Yes, because the confusing part in this new gospel, does it still assert that Judas committed suicide after betraying Jesus?
[Gibson:] It doesn't get into that. We know that Judas kills himself or was killed. His guts split open. There's gruesome depictions in the gospels. So obviously he had regrets. But it's again, this isn't so much a whodunnit, but a why done it? Why again Jesus was the Son of God. He's without sin. He chose Judas. This is one of the great mysteries of the whole gospels. He chose Judas to be one of the 12 apostles. Why did he choose somebody who he knew would actually betray him?
[Costello:] Was he closer to Judas than to other disciples?
[Gibson:] Well, in some ways. As they say, the difference between love and hate can be a very fine line. And here's a man who he was obviously very close to. He was Judas was trusted with the money it says this in the gospels with the money for this small ban of followers of Jesus. So he had a real position of trust and authority and he went around doing miracles with all the others as well. Yet he wound up turning his back on him. Why did he do that? Is it because he was greedy? Is it because Satan entered his soul, a very simple explanation? Is it because he wanted Jesus to be the Messiah the real king of Israel not a Messiah that would go on the cross and sacrifice himself?
[Costello:] Like I said, I can't wait to watch it.
[Gibson:] So many questions. It's great.
[Costello:] I know. Thank you so much for sharing. I appreciate it. Jesus and Judas, the story unfolds this Sunday on "FINDING JESUS" at 9:00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN. OK, it is Friday so it's time to laugh. If you can't laugh at yourself, you can't laugh at anything at all. President Obama proved that last night on Jimmy Kimmel, reading mean tweets. Enjoy.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] A 30-rack of Coors Lite is $23 at Sunstock. Thanks, Obama.
[Obama:] "How do you make Obama's eyes light up? Shine a flashlight in his ears." That's pretty good. "Somebody send Obama some life hacks on how to be a good president. Ha ha, like I bet that would help. LOL." You know, the LOL is redundant when you have the ha ha. "I'm all right with the president wearing jeans. I'm not all right with the president wearing those jeans."
[Jimmy Kimmel, Tv:] Can I just say something? I think that's mean and I don't think there's anything wrong with the jeans you wear.
[Obama:] Jimmy, I think they've got a point.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] Next, breaking news. A stunning victory for al Qaeda today. Plus, one of the biggest political upsets of all time. How did an unknown professor from Virginia take down the House majority leader? And Paula Deen's comeback after using the N-word. This is her savviest business move yet. Let's go OUTFRONT.
[Burnett:] Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news a stunning and deadly defeat in Iraq, and victory for al Qaeda. Al Qaeda-inspired militants from the Islamic state of Iraq and Syria have launched one of their most daring assaults, seizing a major city. This time, Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, the city overrun just a day after insurgents took control of Iraq's second biggest city, Mosul. Hundreds of thousands of residents are running from their homes. Police have been laying down their arms, trying to change into civilian clothes, all in an effort to escape the worst carnage to strike Iraq in nearly a decade. CNN's chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto is OUTFRONT. Jim, this is stunning to imagine when you think about the time, the money, the lives that were spent on Iraq, Iraqi and American. Where do things stand tonight?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] It is stunning. It's alarming, and particularly how quickly it has deteriorated. These are major cities. Mosul goes first, the second largest city in the country. Tikrit, Saddam Hussein's hometown. Beiji, this is a city with a major oil refinery, and they're getting closer to the capital, Baghdad. And one of the big disappointments for U.S. officials, Iraqi officials is that the Iraqi security forces that the U.S. has been training at great expense for a number of years and really is the core of the U.S. strategy when it left Iraq was to leave the country's security in their hands, they have not performed. As you mentioned, deserting, clearly not up at this stage to fighting back against these militants who you'll remember are even more radical than al Qaeda. Now, U.S. response so far limited to military support. You know, in terms of training, supplying arms to Iraqi forces. They say they are considering other option. But I tell you, Erin, those options will not include American boots on the ground.
[Burnett:] Jim Sciutto, thank you very much, just a disturbing and deeply depressing development there in Iraq as they approach Baghdad. We are following breaking news out of the Pentagon tonight. We're learning the final travel plans to bring Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl back to the United States. An official says the transfer from a military hospital in Germany to one in San Antonio, Texas, could be incredibly soon, possibly just a day or two away. News of Bergdahl's recovery comes as Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel went before Congress and aggressively was forced to defend the swap of five Taliban detainees for Bergdahl. Barbara Starr is OUTFRONT with more on a shocking revelation about Bergdahl's history in the military.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] CNN has confirmed Bowe Bergdahl served for less than a month in the coast guard before later joining the army. Military sources would only call it an administrative discharge. Tonight, his friends tell "The Washington Post" Bergdahl left the coast guard because he was psychologically troubled. CNN has not independently confirmed those accounts. But journals and e-mails friends gave to "The Post", "The Post" says appear to paint a picture of a fragile young man trying to maintain mental stability. Bergdahl apparently writing at one point, "I've spent a lot of my life thinking blackness was all I had in front of me."
[Starr:] On Capitol Hill today, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel angrily defended why Bergdahl is still in the hospital 12 days after being released from five years in Taliban captivity.
[Rep. Jeff Miller , Florida:] You're trying to tell me that he is being held in Landstuhl, Germany, because of his medical condition?
[Chuck Hagel, Defense Secretary:] Congressman, I hope you're not implying anything other than that. The fact
[Miller:] I'm just asking the question, Mr. Secretary.
[Hagel:] I'm going to give you an answer. I don't like the implication.
[Miller:] Answer it. Answer it.
[Starr:] Hagel offering one mea culpa to Congress.
[Hagel:] We could have done a better job. We could have done a better job of keeping you informed.
[Starr:] And defending against accusations about why Congress wasn't informed of the trade.
[Hagel:] By the way, I never said that I don't trust congress. That's your words.
[Rep. Mike Conaway , Texas:] Yes, you did. Yes, you have over and over.
[Conaway:] Mr. Secretary, Mr. Secretary.
[Hagel:] Congressman
[Starr:] Hagel revealing the administration's intelligence concluded the five Taliban, some tied to al Qaeda, don't pose a direct threat to the
[U.s. Hagel:] Their focus would almost certainly be on Taliban efforts inside Afghanistan. Not the homeland of the United States.
[Starr:] But there was a moment suggesting everyone take a deep breath.
[Rep. Jack Speier , California:] And I would just ask us to think for a moment how we would be responding if Bowe Bergdahl was our son. I really fear for his return to this country with the kind of rhetoric that is being spewed in this very room.
[Starr:] Barbara Starr, CNN, the Pentagon.
[Burnett:] And Congressman Jackie Speier of California, you just heard her there expressing her concern about what is being said to describe Bergdahl, is OUTFRONT. And good to have you with us, Congresswoman. When you said you fear what might happen to him hen he comes back to the United States, what did you mean?
[Speier:] I'm very concerned that there will be efforts to try him in the court of public discussion as opposed to giving him all of the opportunities, all of the due process that he deserves and very much the health care. It's medical, it's psychological. He's been in captivity for five years. He appears to have been fragile even before then. We need to establish a little compassion here.
[Burnett:] It's obviously an important word, and I think meaningful when you said what if it was our son, you know, make people think about it that way. But, of course, you know, there are soldiers who said they served with Bergdahl. They have come forward. They called him a deserter. There are some who say that some of their sons, they believe lost their lives looking for Bergdahl. Do you don't you think they've had a right to say all these things?
[Speier:] I think that we are a country in which everyone is innocent until proven guilty for starters. I think that the jury is still out in terms of whether or not anyone, any military member lost their life in anticipation of locating Sergeant Bergdahl. And I think that we really need to take a step back and recognize that we have one very strong commitment, and that is to bring every single service member home. And that's what we're doing with Bowe Bergdahl. And we are have to give him the time and the space to recover.
[Burnett:] CNN has learned, Congresswoman, that Bergdahl served less than a month in the Coast Guard, and then he joined the Army. And according to "The Washington Post," he left the Coast Guard because he was psychologically troubled, used the word fragile. If that's true, how is it that someone who would be struggling psychologically and only served a month in another branch of the Armed Forces be able to actually join the Army?
[Speier:] I think that goes back to what was happening in 2008. There were many, many people that were allowed to join the military that had records that under other circumstances would have prevented them as being unfit, whether it was having sexual assault background or having been convicted of some minor offense. Under normal circumstances, they would not have been allowed to become members of the military. So, in this case, his situation was such that I think they waived him in.
[Burnett:] Congresswoman, I was just in Doha the day before yesterday. Everyone I spoke to there had no concern about the Taliban living there among them. They didn't present this in an anti-American way, but they had absolutely no problem with it. Secretary Hagel said that those five detainees are not a threat to the United States. But obviously there have been some in national security who said they are. Your colleague, Senator Joe Manchin, among them. He says he is concerned that they could be back in a position to do harm to Americans. Was this deal worth it?
[Speier:] I think when we take if we start weighing whether or not it's valuable to bring back one of our soldiers that has been held in captivity, who has been a
[Pow -- Burnett:] Even if these five cost more American lives in the future?
[Speier:] Well, I think what we've got to make sure, and that's what a classified briefing is going to provide us, which we haven't had yet is what steps are being taken to make sure that doesn't happen.
[Burnett:] All right, well, Congresswoman, thank you very much for taking the time tonight.
[Speier:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] Congresswoman Jackie Speier saying it was much too early to rush to judge, defending Bowe Bergdahl. Still to come, is gun violence really the norm? President Obama used those words. But we investigated. Do the numbers back that claim up? Plus, Paula Deen's comeback. It is now complete? A year after her N-word scandal, she has her sights set on an entirely new network. And every elevator passenger's worst nightmare coming true for this man. Tonight, if this happened to you, what to do.

[Lemon:] Want to get to Washington now. In a rare show of bipartisan support, and a
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Don. You know, these hostage rescues are perhaps some of the most dangerous work that U.S. special forces do anywhere in the word. This time, as you say, they were trying to rescue this American hostage Luke Somers. They did not know Pierre Korkie was there. They another man was there; they did not know who he was. That according to U.S. officials. It did not work in the end. The fire fight broke out and the U.S. believes the al Qaeda terrorists very killed the hostages at that point, shot them. The U.S. tried to save them but ultimately both men died. Over the weekend, top lawmakers voiced their support for this very risky mission. Have a listen.
[Rep. Mike Rogers , Intelligence Committee Chairman:] If we're going to be extorted into paying ransom to al Qaeda so they can rape women and imprison women and blow up buildings and kill civilians men, women, and children that's a pretty bad plan to start with. So I agreed with the president's decision.
[Rep. Adam Schiff , California:] I think you end up just funding other hostage taking and the cycle perpetuates itself. So i think our decision is the right one.
[Starr:] So what does it take to make one of these missions successful in the end? Well, you have to have perfect intelligence. You have to know exactly where they are. You have to know where the bad guys are. You have to know the whole lay of the land. In this case, as the Navy SEALs were approaching the compound, a fire fight broke out. The al Qaeda terrorists apparently knew that the SEALs were coming at the last minute or that someone was coming. The U.S. says they believe that maybe the men were given away by something as simple as a dog barking in the distance. Don.
[Lemon:] Oh my gosh goodness. Thank you, Barbara. Sorry. Appreciate that. Still to come here on CNN, another major winter storm taking shape, threatening more extreme weather and headaches for some 22 million Americans. CNN's Chad Myers joins me with the latest.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Don, major rain up and down the coast, up to a half a foot of rain in Maine and a half of foot snow inland. That forecast is coming up right after this break.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] It's the top of hour. And we're going to start with breaking news here on CNN. I'm Don Lemon. It is a mystery that is still confounding the world. And right now, there is a lot of new information on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. We have just learned something incredible, that the White House believes on day seven that this search is not narrowing. Instead, it is likely going to get bigger.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] It is my understanding that based on some new information that is not necessarily conclusive, but new information, an additional search area may be opened in the Indian Ocean, and we are consulting with international partners about the appropriate assets to deploy.
[Lemon:] So, I want to bring in straight away here Anthony Brickhouse, associate professor at Embry Riddle Aeronautical University. And you have spent a lot of time looking into aircraft accidents. Have you seen anything like this?
[Anthony Brickhouse, Associate Professor, Embry-riddle Aeronautical University:] No. This is definitely a different type of situation than what we are used to dealing with in aviation safety.
[Lemon:] Yes. One of your specialties is aircraft accident survivability. From what you know about the specs of this plane, the terrain in that area, what event could these passengers have survived? Could they have survived this event? Is it there a possibility that they are still alive here?
[Brickhouse:] Well, when it comes to survivability, we typically look into the amount of g-forces that the occupants may receive during an impact and we also look into what is called occupiable living space, how well the aircraft held together during the impact sequence. Until we find where this aircraft may be, it would be impossible to really speak to survivability.
[Lemon:] Yes. Let's talk about ghost flights. There have been several other so- called ghost flights in aviation history which have blinked off the radar completely. If you were heading up this investigation, where would you go from here?
[Brickhouse:] Well, I was telling my students just yesterday if I was running the investigation, you have to focus on facts. As investigators, we don't go on gut feelings or hands on the back of our neck or anything like that. We basically deal in facts. And what we do know is that this aircraft took off from Kuala Lumpur. It flew for a certain amount of time and then we lot of contact with the plane. We have a pretty good idea of where the aircraft when we lost contact. So, what you want to do is start at that point and basically go in 360 degrees in a radius, so to speak, and basically emanate out from that point based on how much the fuel the aircraft had on board and how far it could have flown. And, basically, that is going to be a very, very large area, but you have to start your search somewhere. You start on the edges and you slowly work your way in. And hopefully, in doing that, you would find some type of wreckage or the aircraft itself.
[Lemon:] There is so there is such a large search area, though, over I think it's 12,000 square miles. It's virtually impossible really to sort of hone in on one particular area. Can you still do that using your theory?
[Brickhouse:] I believe it's possible. It would require a tremendous amount of assets, but you have to have something to go on, instead of just searching in various spots based on different reports that might come in. You have to have a systematic approach to doing this.
[Lemon:] Yes. Thank you, Anthony Brickhouse. Good afternoon. Appreciate you. I have been wanting to get Mary Schiavo on she is a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation ever since we got this new information. Mary, specifically, I want you to address this. According to the White House, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney in the briefing not long ago said, based on new information, a new search area may be opened up in the Indian Ocean for the missing flight. He also said that many countries are partnering in the search and following leads where we find them, Mary.
[Mary Schiavo, Former Transportation Inspector General:] Right. I think what they are doing is taking two pieces of information which may not be accurate, but it's all they have got. I think if you couple the sighting it wasn't the sighting it was one radar tracing that somebody reported by the island to the west of Malaysia. Remember, when they said the plane turned around and it headed past Malaysia and it was near a small island? They have a heading. If you put that in connection with the engine information, true or not, whether it exists or not, that the engines may have run for four additional hours, you have got two key pieces of information. You have a heading and you have a distance. With that, I think that the U.S. government undoubtedly feels an obligation to at least go look.
[Lemon:] Mary, I hate to cut you off, but you will want to weigh in on this. I want to get some breaking news now. I want to get to our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, with new information. Barbara, you have new information about data that was sent from the plane past the time that we thought?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] You know, Don, this story takes a turn every few hours, but now a senior U.S. official is telling me that the Malaysians do believe and have communicated this with U.S. authorities that they do have several pings of data from the airliner's engine. It is set up to transmit data about the engine as it's flying. They believe now they have several pings, if you will, of engine data that was transmitted and picked up by satellite and now is being analyzed. The preliminary analysis they say is that this data was picked up showing a track that the plane may indeed have flown four to five hours across the Indian Ocean, of course, hundreds of miles off course. U.S. authorities say they working with the Malaysians to analyze all of this, but the flow of data from the engines that they believe they have during that time they think the plane flew is a primary indicator of why the U.S. is now agreeing to expand the search area into the Indian Ocean, and in fact within the coming hours, a U.S. Navy ship that was searching more along the flight path is going to be moved. It will enter the Indian Ocean, we are told, and it will join the search. Now, this senior U.S. official also telling CNN none of this is 100 percent. It's a confusing picture. There is not complete information. There is some concern on the part of U.S. authorities with the Malaysians may not be sharing everything they have. No one can say why that is or how much is being shared. This official cautioning, this is where it stands today. As we stand here and talk, they have some preliminary data and they have some data they believe is from the engines of this plane as it flew, and now they are going to look much more closely at the Indian Ocean as a possible area. But here's the last piece of confusing information for the moment. Don, they have no data, no ping, no beacon that went off that showed the airliner made impact anywhere, either impact on land or impact into the ocean. So, it all adds to the mystery, Don.
[Lemon:] All right, Barbara Starr, thank you very much. Stand by, Barbara Starr. I want to update our viewers now. We're getting new information from our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, that there may have been data transmitted from the airplane after the time that we had thought. Barbara Starr is here and also our chief national security, Jim Sciutto, is here and our aviation expert Richard Quest here as well. And standing by on the phone, Mary Schiavo. We will get information from all of them and feedback as well. And Andrew Stevens as well live in Kuala Lumpur. First now, Jim Sciutto. Jim, what do you think of this new information?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] This in conjunction what I have heard from U.S. officials as well, that it is a combination in fact of information that has searchers changing their focus somewhat to the west of the Malay Peninsula, not just the data from the airplane, from the airplane engines, but also the radar data that the Malaysian air force put out and that we have been reporting in the last 24 to 48 hours. In addition to that, also a sense of the full range of this plane and this idea that it had about seven hours of fuel in it when it took off and that if it indeed took the direction that the radar indicates, and the engine data indicates this is as far as it might be able to go. That is giving them the scope of their search. It's my understanding that it's a combination of data, the data they are getting from the engines and the radar data, as well as their understanding of the range of the plane based on the fuel that was in the tanks when it lost contact. It is also my understanding that there has been some frustration from investigators as this has proceeded with how some of this raw data has been shared. Delays from the Malaysian side in terms of sharing it with the international groups, including the NTSB from the U.S., that they are getting it after the Malaysians have made their own conclusions rather than raw data when U.S. officials, U.S. agencies and others can help interpret the data to the best conclusion. There is a lot involved in that hesitation. There's a lot of national pride here. It's a Malaysian flagship airline. it's the Malaysian responsibility since this took off from Malaysian and it was in international waters when is it disappeared. Just more thing if I can add, in light of this new information, I'm told this has not changed to this point U.S. intelligence officials' view of whether terror was involved in this. I'm told by a U.S. intelligence official that we have not seen a tie to terrorism, but we still have not ruled it out. That, as you know and, Don, you and I have talked about this and we have said this on our air that has been the position of U.S. intelligence officials for a number of days. So far, this new information has not changed that position on a possible terror link.
[Lemon:] Jim Sciutto, stand by. I'm sure we will have more questions for you, as well as Barbara Starr, who is at the Pentagon I want to get now to CNN's Richard Quest. Richard, you have been doing your research on this information. What do you make of it?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Correspondent:] What is really interesting about this is, it's the exact opposite of both what the Malaysian minister of transportation said at the news conference this morning in Kuala Lumpur. He specifically said they had not received any data. Andrew Stevens is in K.L. and will get that. And also a source of mine at Rolls- Royce said also to me today that they had not received any data from the aircraft over the last few hours of its flight, that no data existed. But if you look at the size and scale of what we are now talking about, you are really talking about a vastly expanded area of search, because previously you were talking about on the eastern side and you were talking about the South China Seas and the Gulf of Thailand.
[Quest:] Then you had the Straits of Malacca and the Andaman Sea. Now you are on the western side of Indonesia and you're out into the Indian Ocean.
[Lemon:] Into here.
[Quest:] Absolutely. So, from that point of view, and it all comes down to a very real discrepancy between what we heard overnight from the Malaysian authorities, no data. What we heard from Rolls-Royce, no data. And now strong very reporting from Barbara Starr and Jim Sciutto that the U.S. is sending the fleet into the Indian Ocean to search.
[Lemon:] Do we still have Mary Schiavo on the line? Is Mary still on the line? Mary, you heard Barbara Starr's reporting. Mary is a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of transportation. What do you make of this new information from our Barbara Starr?
[Schiavo:] I think, basically, given that there is some information, how reliable or not, we have to respond. There is no way, given that we have at least one radar heading after the plane allegedly turned or someone reported it and we have some people reporting that the engines were turning, there is no way we cannot follow up on this lead. It would be inhumane and it might turn out to be just the lead we need, but I think it's inevitable we have to do this, given there is any information whatsoever. There is not much. But I think we have to do it.
[Lemon:] Barbara Starr is back with us. Barbara, I understand you have more information for us now?
[Starr:] I just want to agree with everyone here at the moment, which is to say this. What the U.S. officials are telling us is this is their information at the moment. This is the working theory at the moment based on some intelligence and technical data that they are getting through the Malaysians. So, yes, they are going to go have a look. They are going to make every effort. They have no reason to doubt at the moment what the Malaysians are telling them, that there has been some sort of data, information received by satellite that corresponds to this type of aircraft and this type of engine flying in that specific region at that time. That's the baseline that they are working off of. But I think all of us acknowledge that this is a very confusing picture. We have all been through so many twists and turns on this. Just last night, we were talking about Chinese imagery maybe showing debris in the water. That proved not to be true. There are a lot of twists and turns. The official I spoke to even as he laid it out, he said, be careful. None of this is 100 percent Don.
[Lemon:] Jim Sciutto?
[Sciutto:] Well, Don, echoing Barbara's point, this follows a pattern that we have seen over the last several days, data presented as possibly indicative of a cause to this, data denied by one or another government, and then data in some cases dismissed, for instance, the satellite data. But you have seen this with the radar data that the Malaysian air force put out. There were some denials initially, some backtracking, but that's out there. You saw it with the satellite data and you saw today some denials from Malaysian officials about these first reports of engine data. A note of caution to our viewers. We are proceeding with caution here because there have been so many questions here. That said, it's also my understanding that the U.S. has had knowledge of this engine data for at least 24 hours or so. So, it's something that they have been looking into. And, of course, they would look into it before they would start to move assets around, as they are now, sending U.S. Navy ships out to the Indian Ocean to have a closer look there.
[Lemon:] All right, Jim, stand by. Go ahead.
[Quest:] I just want to point out, having listened to what Barbara and Jim were saying, let's remind ourselves that we are not talking at this point about why. We are talking about where. Let's not have any discussions about what might have happened on board the plane. What might have was it terrorism, was it an explosion? We are right back at the beginning. Where is the plane? This doesn't get more basic than the position of where we are at the moment. Is it to the east, in the middle, or the west? It's quite extraordinary that six days after this incident I can't remember a situation like this where there was simply so little information on the whereabouts of the incident. It's a case of where, not why.
[Lemon:] Yes. Mary Schiavo, as you listen to this information and you're a national transportation excuse me the U.S. Department of Transportation investigating crashes and investigating air mishaps, where does this lead where does this put us in the investigation? Are you hopeful with this new information?
[Schiavo:] Well, at least it's some hope. This information suggests that they would be following the idea that the plane suffered, but not a suffer so much that it would fall from the sky, but it suffered something that then set it on another direction. Like I say, it's disheartening on one front, because this is not a lot of information, but now we are moving in this direction. It does tell me that we don't have a lot of other things to go on. But if the scenario was that the plane was severely damage, but was able to keep flying, this is where you would want to look. This is where you would have to look to make sure you have satisfied yourself as a country that you have done everything you could.
[Lemon:] All right, stand by, Mary Schiavo. We have our Barbara Starr at Pentagon. Jim Sciutto is in Washington. Richard Quest is here and Andrew Stevens is here in Kuala Lumpur and again we have Mary Schiavo, who is a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation, on the line with this new information we are getting from our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr Barbara.
[Starr:] I also wanted to add in, we know a little bit more about what's happening behind the scenes inside the U.S. national security community, the military, and the intelligence agencies. I have been told by officials very much in the know, multiple officials that for the last several days, as we talked about, intelligence experts are scouring all available satellite data, satellites, and most of it likely is commercial satellite data, because we are talking about a part of the world where U.S. intelligence satellites don't regularly go. There is no reason for them to be that far south. That's very far from North Korea, which is the primary target area for collecting intelligence in that region. A lot of commercial satellite imagery, but they are looking at it and they're analyzing it, officials from the U.S. military and from an organization called the National Geospatial Agency, which performs high-tech classified analysis of satellite imagery to figure out what it shows from the National Reconnaissance Office, which runs some satellites, from across the intelligence community. The U.S., even though they are getting a lot of the data from the Malaysians, they are trying to corroborate what they may know by looking at satellite imagery. It's very tough and it's a bit slow going, because you are looking at thousands of miles of ocean as the maps show us. How to pick out one little element that may be some piece of debris, a lot of that is done through computer analysis these days, but it's still very tough. You have to have some idea of where you want to start looking. It may be sadly somewhere over the Indian Ocean. There's also still of course the very commonsense answer to all of this, which is it went down along its expected flight path. Nobody knows Don.
[Lemon:] And we were looking at that image, the satellite image yesterday and wondering what was to be made of that. I want to go now to Kuala Lumpur and our Andrew Stevens is standing by Andrew, you have been listening to this entire conversation that I have had with our correspondent and our contributors here on CNN, and you are there. Any response? What do you make of this?
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] It is an extraordinary development. It just shows the zigzagging way that the facts or the lack of facts that are emerging, Don. It's 3:00 in the morning here. We have reached out to the defense ministry who are leading the investigation and hoping to get a response back of them as soon as we can. But if you look at the press conference today, it was very, very specific, where the defense minister was knocking down a theory put forward by "The Wall Street Journal" that the plane actually flew on for several more hours. He described that report very clearly as inaccurate. He went on to say he has got people from Rolls-Royce down here and he has got people from Boeing down here. They have been down now here for several days. That story in "The Journal" about the plane flying on or perhaps getting information from the engines was put to Rolls experts here on the ground. This goes back to what Richard Quest was saying. That information was put to them on the ground here, and they were described as inaccurate by Rolls. This is what we're getting from the defense ministry at a press conference a few hours ago. What the defense minister also said is that the focus of this search has been and continues to be in the South China Sea, i.e., on the eastern side of Malaysia. The only piece of evidence that really fits into an Indian Ocean scenario is this unidentified aircraft, this so- called plot on a primary radar which shows an aircraft turning back from near where the last reported known correspondence with 370 was, turning back over the west coast, and then heading out. That blip, if you like, was last seen about 200 miles northwest of the island of Penang on the west coast heading out towards the Indian Ocean. But they say the Malaysians have been saying we know all about this. It's our duty to investigate, but the focus, the focus of this investigation is still on the other side in the South China Sea. Whether this changes the needle at all down here will be interesting to see. But, so far, they have been denying early reports which seemed to suggest the same thing that Barbara has been talking about.
[Lemon:] All right, Andrew Stevens in Kuala Lumpur, thank you very much. Listen, our correspondents are on it here, the worldwide resources of CNN. Barbara Starr is reporting this. She's saying there were pings that were gotten from the plane heard after, long after that the plane had vanished. The plane may have flown four to five hours over the Indian Ocean. The White House is saying now that that search area is now being expanded. Breaking news you will only get right here on CNN, more after the break.

[Rosa Flores, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone, my name is Rosa Flores and I'm live in Atlanta. Thank you so much for spending part of your Saturday with me. I want to tell you about two developing stories we're following right now. First, a rescue attempt gone wrong in south Sudan today. U.S. aircraft came under fire and four service members were injured. They were trying to evacuate some three dozen Americans from the violence- torn area, and on the first day of winter a storm sweeps across the nation at the worst time possible, rain, ice, and snow hit at the same time millions of Americans hit the roads. Let's begin with south Sudan right now. The four U.S. service members wounded in that first rescue effort are said to be in stable condition, but the fate of about three dozen Americans working for the United Nations in south Sudan remains a question. For now the president is keeping an eye on things while on vacation. Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr is covering the operation to rescue those Americans while Athena Jones is with the president in Honolulu. And, Athena, I want to start with you, how are they keeping the president in the loop in these conditions?
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Rosa. Good afternoon. Well, of course, the president is always president even on vacation, and we know from a statement put out just in the last hour that upon landing here in Honolulu overnight, the president was briefed immediately upon landing about the status of those four wounded American service members. And this morning his principals, Susan Rice, his national security adviser, and his deputy national security advisers had a muting, and then they called him, had a secure call with the president to give him yet another update on the situation. He is urging the government, the leaders of south Sudan, saying it is their responsibility to help secure the American citizens there and he's asked his team back in Washington to keep him constantly updated and we're certain that he will. This, of course, comes as you mentioned as the American service members were trying to get about three dozen American citizens working for the U.N. out of south Sudan. That went wrong. They're going to continue to attempt to do that and, of course, there's ongoing violence in that region. Just yesterday secretary of state John Kerry put out a statement saying that the U.S. strongly condemns attacks on the United Nations mission there in south Sudan. So this is in the midst of a lot of violence going on in that region. The president is keeping close tabs and directing his national security staff to keep him updated, Rosa?
[Flores:] And, Barbara, now to you, did this attack by any chance take the military by surprise?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, you know, when they go into these situations, they always know they're facing the possibility of violence and they're prepared for it. But what happened here does not happen that often. Three U.S. military aircraft trying to land in this very remote area, very violent area of south Sudan, and they came under ground fire, small arms fire from the ground. All three aircraft are hit. One sustaining serious damage, four service members injured pardon me, three service members injured, one seriously. So, this is this does not happen that often. The question now, if the violence is so bad, what do they do about it? How do they go back in there and get the American civilians out of there? Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Dempsey, talking about this throughout the day we're told, talking to their commanders, trying to look for a solution, working with the State Department. And there's some potential options that might turn to the United Nations, for example. But the violence is so bad in this area that a short time ago the State Department put out an advisory saying no more U.S. government sponsored flights will be going into this area to try and bring Americans out. It's just too dangerous for now. Rosa?
[Flores:] Athena, Barbara, thank you so much. And now we move on to the other developing story dangerous storms could be a real grinch for people trying to start their holiday travel. More than 94 million people are expected to hit the highways over the next few days with ice and snow already causing delays on the road and on the air. A wintry mix falling in Oklahoma City and ice storm warning is in effect until tomorrow morning. The deep freeze in the midwest expected to shift to the northeast tomorrow. But in the south, warm temperatures. Corresponding severe weather watches, heavy rain, tornadoes and thunderstorms are also possible. This video from a violent storm that ripped through Edwards, Mississippi, last night. We've got all of the angles of this potential travel nightmare covered. Our Nick Valencia is live in Kansas City, but I want to begin with meteorologist Jennifer Gray here in Atlanta in the severe weather center. Jennifer, it seems like the weather is really wacky right now.
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] It is. It is really wacky. Good word for it. And we are looking at a lot of flooding right now, not only the severe weather. We've had ice. We've had snow. And we're dealing with flooding right now, anywhere from portions of Indiana to Kentucky, even Arkansas, through Little Rock, Truman, Paducah, even Evansville, we've seen quite a bit of flooding anywhere from two to four inches of rain and an additional two to four inches are possible. It's what you call training showers which means they just keep going over and over the same locations and they're not making much forward progress, so the same areas are getting rain for several hours and so it's producing flash flooding in those areas. Evansville has been one of the harder-hit areas where they've received more than two to four inches of rain. And we're going to continue to see it come down in that area as we go through the next several hours. So, taking a look at the rainfall reports, first off, we've seen almost six inches of rain and Truman, Arkansas, almost six inches as well and Macon, Arkansas, almost five inches of rain, so quite a bit has fallen and more is to come in the next couple of hours. Rosa?
[Flores:] Jennifer, stay there with us. We're going to get back to you in just a moment. But let's head out to Kansas City where they could get three to six inches of snow before this storm moves through. Nick Valencia is out there, and, Nick, set the scene for us.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it's very cold here right now. It's about 21 degrees, Rosa, but it really feels a lot more like 12 degrees. State officials we've talked to, they say they prepared for this and long before we got here airport officials put out this ice, I'm sorry salt in preparation for freezing rain, ice, sleet, snow in this area. Road conditions are very sleek and we've seen states like Iowa have issue, Oklahoma have issues here and Missouri as well interstate 44 is a big issue. Let's talk about those flight cancellations. Just a little while ago we spoke to Delta and they canceled three flights impacting Cincinnati, Minneapolis and Memphis. So, this weather although it doesn't look as bad as it could be, officials do expect it to get much worse as the day progresses, Rosa?
[Flores:] All right, Nick Valencia, live for us in Kansas City, thank you so much. Now, I want to go back to Jennifer Gray. Jennifer, a lot of people traveling for the holidays. Will this impact their travel plans?
[Gray:] Of course. We're going to see travel delays anywhere from Oklahoma City all the way through Chicago. We're going to see slowdowns all up and down the east coast as well as we go through tomorrow as well. Most of the ground delays right now aren't associated with the weather. However, you can expect as we go through the afternoon today and especially into tomorrow, we'll definitely see some travel delays, so just be patient. Right now we do have tornado watches in effect. One until 6:00 p.m. Central Time. This one up on the top including Memphis, that is in place until 8:00 p.m. Central Time. And so we are going to see the possibility of isolated tornadoes, damaging winds, and right now we have the threat of severe thunderstorms. In each one of these little orange boxes anywhere from East Texas through northwest Louisiana, into Arkansas, those are all severe thunderstorm warnings. And so those storms are packing winds of about 60 miles per hour. They're all moving to the east at about 35 miles per hour. So, this is a dangerous storm system and we're going to be watching the Deep South all throughout the rest of the evening, Rosa?
[Flores:] Jennifer, thank you so much. And we switch gears to this four men have been arrested in connection with a fatal carjacking at a mall in New Jersey. Local authorities worked alongside the FBI and U.S. marshals to track down the men that are accused of shooting and killing a young attorney while his wife watched in horror. The incident occurred six days ago inside a mall parking deck. At a news conference this morning authorities applauded the public for helping in this particular case.
[Paul Fishman, U.s. Attorney:] You have the right to be safe and the expectation that you should be safe in this county and in the state of New Jersey. And in particular you shouldn't have to worry that wherever you go, whether it's in downtown Newark or the Shore Hills Mall or anywhere else, that someone will put a gun to your head and take your car.
[Flores:] The men are charged with murder and could face life in prison if found guilty. And still ahead, a five-year-old boy disappears and it goes unreported for more than hear this three months. The details just ahead. Plus, an emergency space walk outside the International Space Station. We'll tell you what the astronauts were doing.

[Unidentified Male:] It is also about your team. I think we were always king of lucky to keep some cool people about you. You know, we always you always that have people around that can check, you know, when they hit you up, they are like hey, you know, fall back.
[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Good to see you guys. Always great. Appreciate it. And if you are wondering on kid's hat there 1973, that is paying homage to the birthday of hip-hop. It was fun to talk with them. Hello again, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Here are the stop stories that we are following at this hour. A heartbreaking face of family's fighting a hospital to get a ventilator is now over. The machines are off for a brain dead pregnant woman. What decisions came today that changed and eight-week long battle? And police have identified the gunman in the deadly shooting in Maryland. Why did he opened fire in the crowded shopping mall? What police have learned next. And it has been 50 years since the Beatles took America by storm. Tonight, they will be in the spotlight at the Grammy. So, what is it about those four guys that has changed so much in our world over five decades? More on that coming up? We begin with breaking news a brain dead pregnant woman has been taken off a respirator and ventilator after an emotional legal battle. A Texas hospital said today it would not fight the judge's ruling to turn off Marlise Munoz's machines. And shortly after, attorneys for her family said the machines were disconnected. Nick Valencia is live for us now in Fort Worth, Texas outside the hospital. So Nick, what have we heard from both sides in this?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] What e have heard from both sides so far, Eric Munoz, the husband of Marlise Munoz did not speak to the media publicly. But attorneys for the family released the statement. I want to read part of that now, Fred. It said at approximately 11:30 a.m. central time, 12:30 p.m. eastern standard time, Marlise Munoz's body was disconnected from life support and released to Mr. Munoz. The Munoz and Machado family will now proceed with the somber task of laying Marlise Munoz's body to rest and grieving over the great loss that has been suffered. And this journey had been has been about an 8.5 week journey of anguish for the family who has fought the hospital all that time to try to get Marlise Munoz removed from the ventilator. Marlise Munoz was legally pronounced brain-dead on November 28th, about two days after she was found unconscious on her kitchen floor. Now, the hospital, JPS hospital here behind me, they have maintained that they were doing the right thing all along and simply following state law. They said that they had no legal president or case law to go off of and they felt that keeping Marlise Munoz on the ventilator and giving her life sustaining treatment was the right thing to do. About an hour before we got the statement from the family, Munoz family attorney, we heard from the hospital and they said in part, from the onset, JPS has set its role was not to make nor contest law but to follow it. On Friday, a state district judge ordered the removal of life sustaining treatment from Marlise Munoz. The hospital will follow the court order. That court order gave the hospital until 5:00 p.m. on Monday to release to remove Marlise Munoz from the ventilator. They decided to do that at, as I mentioned, about 11:30 a.m. from Sunday morning Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, any indication about whether there will be a battle coming for that state law?
[Valencia:] You know, that is a great question. And that, you know, some people I have talked to in the legal community say that this is a battle that is far from over. Well, the hospital says that they will follow the court's mandate. I asked them if they have plans to appeal this judge's decision. They said Nick, we are going to follow the court's mandate. There is no word yet from the state capital on whether or the they will intervene Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, Nick Valencia. Thanks so much in Fort Worth. A day after that deadly shooting inside a Maryland shopping mall, police are releasing new details about the gunman. Investigators have identified him as 19-year-old Darion Marcus Aguilar. And they say he was carrying lots of ammunition and what appears to be make-shift explosives. Police say he shot and killed two people, 21-year-old Brianna Benlolo and 25-year-old Tyler Johnson. Five other people were hurt and the gunman killed himself. And now everyone is asking why. Erin McPike is live for us now in Columbia, Maryland. So Erin, what more have we learned leading up to this event?
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn General Assignment Correspondent:] Fred, Howard County police say that Aguilar purchased his shotgun legally a month ago and they transported himself all that ammunition and the shotgun here yesterday morning by taxi.
[Mcpike:] The gunman now identified in Saturday's terrifying shooting at this mall in Columbia, Maryland.
[Unidentified Male:] Darion Marcus Aguilar id the shooter.
[Mcpike:] But police still aren't talking about a possible motive. Although they say the 19-year-old Aguilar lives in the same college park neighborhood as one of the victims, 21-year-old Brianna Benlolo.
[Chief Bill Mcmahon, Howard County Police:] We have not been able to verify any type of relationship at this point between him and either of our victims. We can't establish that there is one or there is not one. That is an open question.
[Mcpike:] Surveillance videos, police say, revealed that Aguilar arrived by taxi at this upper level mall entrance around 10:15 Saturday morning walking by a children's carousel and carrying a backpack with two homemade explosive devices. Over the next hour, they say, he went downstairs and then going back into skateboard shop, Zumiez where Benlolo worked alongside the other victim, 25-year-old Tyler Johnson of Mount Airy, Maryland. Aguilar fired six to eight shots, investigator said, killing Johnson and Benlolo. And the gun fire injuring another woman in the foot on the floor below.
[Unidentified Female:] People started running and they said somebody is down there and he has a gun. And I heard at least eight to ten gunshots.
[Mcpike:] As witnesses ran away in the chaos, authorities say he then killed himself with the Now, Howard County officials plan to hold another press briefing in the next couple of hours and they are expecting to talk about the protocol for reopening the mall Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, Erin McPike, thanks so much in Columbia, Maryland. 19-year-old Russian man in Pennsylvania has been arrested and charged with possessing a weapon of mass destruction. Police now say they found a homemade bomb and bomb making materials while investigating an alleged marijuana growing operation. They say this man told them that he wanted to blow things up, but later said he planned to detonate device in the field and was not going to blow anything. He is being held on a half million dollars bail. And health investigators are trying to figure out what is making hundreds of people sick on a royal Caribbean cruise ship. A crew from the center for disease control is boarding the explorer of disease in St. Thomas within the hour to investigate the gastrointestinal illnesses. They will be looking at cleaning and sanitation progress and then if there have been any new cases. A resident of St. Thomas caught up with a frustrated passenger and sent this video to CNN.
[Unidentified Female:] They would just like and they were like, what has been like being on the ship with the virus and everything, if they are really terrible? Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] You will never come back again.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] Not on this cruise.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] We were here with them two years ago. The same thing. The ship was overrun with this sickness. You know, any sickness is going to involve. But it is the most disorganized trip I have been on in my life. I'm almost 80 years old. It is sad.
[Unidentified Female:] Thank you.
[Whitfield:] The ship left New Jersey on Tuesday. It is get to stop in Haiti and went straight to San Juan, Puerto Rico to be sanitized yesterday. This is the second royal Caribbean ship to get hit with sickness this month. Dozens of people suffered similar symptoms on the majesty of disease a few days ago. France's former first lady visits India a day after the country's president announces the couple's separation. Francois Holland said yesterday that Saturday rather, that he was ending his partnership with long time paramour Valerie Trierweiler. Trierweiler is helping support an anti-hunger charity in India. Her departure comes after a week's long media frenzy filled by allegations that the president was having an affair. All right, the Seattle Seahawks and the Denver Broncos are arriving in New Jersey today, ahead of next Sunday super bowl. Even though the big game will be played in the town of east Rutherford, New Jersey another city across the Hudson River is actually getting all of the attention. CNN's Alexandra Field has the story.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Amid all the excitement, there is a little confusions.
[Unidentified Male:] Super Bowl XLVIII in New York. Congratulations! I can only send one of you to cover the game in New York.
[Field:] This is met-like stadium in east Rutherford, New Jersey., the host of super bowl
[Xlviii. Unidentified Male:] Tell them they better get a geography lesson. \
[Field:] Did you think this would put you on the map?
[Unidentified Male:] Absolutely.
[Field:] It is a small town, just nine thousand people.
[Unidentified Male:] The stadium is right down here, less than a mile away.
[Field:] A detail that looks to some as if it has been over looked.
[Mayor James Cassella, East Rutherford, New Jersey:] I was just talking a radio host in Seattle and he didn't even realize that the stadium was in New Jersey until a couple of weeks ago. That says something.
[Field:] In New York City, the NFL is transforming Time Square into Super Bowl Boulevard. But in East Rutherford there isn't a single banner in sight. Only one small sign that the mayor had to other himself. And because it used the trademark phrase, Super Bowl, the NFL could object. What happens if they told to take it down?
[Cassella:] Well, I think it could be dopey of them to tell us to take it down.
[Field:] Do you feel like you are left out in the cold here?
[Cassella:] I'm used to it. You kind of used to it. And you know, you accept it. Life goes on.
[Field:] Hey, is there a little New York, New Jersey rivalry playing in here?
[Unidentified Male:] Well, our answer is I'm sure glad I'm next to the biggest city in the world because that is how I make my living. But my New Jersey answer is I'd like to kick them in the shins.
[Field:] Town officials say there has been no effort to promote east Rutherford, but the NFL insists that New Jersey isn't getting the short straw telling CNN there are more activities in New Jersey than New York. Players are staying in Jersey City training and media appearances will be held in state. Come game day the mayor said this town will feel proud, even if East Rutherford has taken a backseat even though the mayor will have to find his owned seat.
[Cassella:] I also will probably be sitting in my lounge chair on my recliner watching the game.
[Field:] Alexandra Field, CNN East Rutherford, New Jersey.
[Whitfield:] And a teacher has new meaning the word potluck. What he is accused of doing something at a recent dinner party.

[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] The Israeli people have spoken, delivering a very big election victory to their prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. The right-wing leader is getting set to serve a historic fourth term in office. About 99 percent of the votes have been counted. Netanyahu has declared victory, of course. His opponent, Isaac Herzog conceded and congratulated Netanyahu.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] It turns out the race wasn't even that close. A lot of people, a lot polls predicted a loss for the prime minister but his Likud Party beat out Herzog's Zionist Union alliance by at least five states. This all after a bitter campaign that including some pretty stunning statements by the prime minister. He promised no Palestinian state would be established as long as he remained in office. Critics say he insulted Arab Israelis and he alienated allies. Global affairs correspondent, Elise Labott, joins us live from Jerusalem. What's the latest, Elise?
[Elise Labott, Cnn Global Affairs Correspondent:] John, after a week- long push but really in the last few days before the election, Prime Minister Netanyahu made a hard turn to the right saying the Palestinian state would never happen under his watch. As you said, he also urged right wing voters to come out to save him from Arabs coming out in droves trying to try to unseat him. These are very controversial positions and statements. That made the right come out and vote for him. But the problem is, now that they voted for him, they're going to expect him to make good on those campaign pledges. So today, Prime Minister Netanyahu is saying he wants to form a government as soon as possible. The question is what kind of government is that going to be. If it's going to be a very right wing government, it could really block him in, in terms of policies and maneuvering room and that really could hurt relations with the United States. He needs to start repairing relations with the U.S. But after the statements over the last 48 hours, John, these are totally different from policies that U.S. has been pursuing for the last 50 years trying to negotiate a Palestinian state. So I'm not sure how he really does that.
[Bolduan:] That's some of the work that needs to be done in earnest. That's for sure. Elise, following it all for us from Jerusalem. Elise, thank you so much. Important note for all of you. Elise Labott is doing a Facebook chat on the Israeli elections. If you have any questions, post them on CNN.comfacebook. That begins at noon eastern.
[Berman:] Meanwhile, the first congressman born in the 1980s, Aaron Schock, of Illinois, a one-time rising star, is stepping down after questions were raised about his spending habits and lavish lifestyle. The questions began when he spent $40,000 redecorating his office to look like the set of "Downton Abbey."
[Bolduan:] Schock didn't admit wrongdoing in his statement. But there are big questions. He says he's gone, so what's next? Who will replace him? And this, he may have gotten out of an ethics investigation by resigning but did he break the law? Let's go to Dana Bash who is in Washington now with much more on this. Dana, I know it was a surprise to everyone including Republican leadership when this announcement came down.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] It was. By all accounts, it was kind of an impulsive decision that Aaron Schock made to resign yesterday morning. But it did come after the weight of so many different questions about so many different expenses that he made, both taxpayer dollars and related to political donations. He decided I've had enough. The other issue is that now that he's gone, as you mentioned, the Ethics Committee investigation, which was under way stops because he's not going to be a sitting member of Congress starting in about two weeks. The question about legal issues, that still is a potential. We have not I was just talking to a source who is close to the situation, saying that they still haven't gotten any indication from law enforcement that there is an investigation. Certainly, it is still possible. But like I was saying yesterday and you know, Kate, you know. You've walked these halls talking especially now that Aaron Schock has resigned and talking to Republican staffers in the hallways really for the past 24 hours, they've been saying that Aaron Schock didn't fit in. Starting with the fact that he had gorgeous fitted suits where most guys have suits and I saw this with admiration they have suits that don't fit and they don't have $500 shoes. That is the kind of jet-setting glamorous life that Aaron Schock had. You saw it all over his Instagram. You can see it in what he wore. And these Republicans are saying, look, it was just a matter of time before this very public lavish kind of attitude could potentially get him, and that's exactly what seemed to have happened. It was just too much too fast and with very, very slopping accounting of how he paid for it all.
[Bolduan:] It's one thing to not fit in as we well know but it's a whole different deal to misuse taxpayer dollars.
[Berman:] Republican Tom Cole, of Oklahoma, said he's a young man that learned an important message. Dana Bash thanks so much. I appreciate it. Following our breaking news AT THIS HOUR, at least 17 tourists killed in Tunisia. Two attackers killed but three still at large. Terrorists on the loose. We'll bring you new development right after the break.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] A twisted tale of love gone wrong, when a Texas doctor is accused of poisoning her lover's coffee.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Plan B is now an option for all. The Obama administration drops its fight to keep the controversial drug out of young people's hands.
[Berman:] And splash landing. An epic stunt fail when a Jeep proves no, folks, it is not meant to fly. Maybe swim but not fly.
[Romans:] Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[Berman:] And I'm John Berman. Thirty minutes after the hour right now. We are finding out more this morning about the stunning charges facing renowned cancer doctor in Houston. Prosecutors say she poisoned a colleague, spiking his coffee with a chemical commonly found in anti- freeze. That doctor was also her lover. CNN's Ed Lavandera is following the story for us.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondetn:] Dr. Anna Maria Gonzalez Angulo is a breast cancer specialist researching the most aggressive forms of the deadly disease at a MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. She was featured in this Susan G. Komen Foundation video highlighting a day in a life of a breast cancer doctor at one of the most respected cancer hospitals in the country.
[Dr. Anna Maria Gonzalez Angulo, Cancer Doctor:] One of my aunts died with lung cancer when she was 35 and I was 10. So that was when I made my decision this is what I wanted to do.
[Lavandera:] Which makes the allegations swirling around her more stunning. Houston police investigators said she tried to poison her lover, George Bloomenshine, a fellow cancer doctor at MD Anderson as well. [on camera]: According to court records, back in January, George Bloomenshine was behind these gates at the home of Anna Maria Gonzalez Angulo. According to those records, she made him a cup of coffee, he started drinking it but told her it tasted too sweet. She told him finish that first coffee and she'd put Splenda in it, but that she would make another one. He drank both cups of coffee, 16 hours later he was in the emergency room. [voice-over]: Bloomenshine started losing his balance, suffered slurred speech and loss of motor skills. According to the court records, doctors found ethylene glycol in his system, a potentially deadly chemical used in antifreeze. But MD Anderson officials told investigators it's also a chemical commonly found in labs at the cancer center. Defense attorney Mark Geragos says it could be a tough case to prove in court.
[Mark Geragos, Former Prosecutor:] What you always have to take a look at what the prosecutors will always look at in a case like this is the motive. Why did somebody want to do it and why did they want to do it in this way, and rule out other environmental factors. That's where the defense is always going to go. Was there a motive? Would somebody have done this? Do they have the character to do this?
[Lavandera:] A lawyer for Gonzalez Angulo says she's, quote, "completely innocent" and that these allegations are, quote, "totally inconsistent with her personal and professional life." Neighbors around her gated home say she is a quiet woman who kept to herself. George Bloomenshine survived but he's suffered severe damage to his kidneys, even needing dialysis to try and repair the damage. Ed Lavandera, CNN, Houston.
[Romans:] All right. Let's go back now to Istanbul where protesters are battling with rioting police, firing tear gas and water cannons to try to get the protesters out of Taksim Square. The protesting lobbing Molotov cocktails and rocks back at police. Police firing back, the battles going on for hours now, it's so bad that our crew in the square now wearing their gas masks to protect themselves from the tear gas wafting through the air. Prime Minister Erdogan is set to meet with protest leaders tomorrow.
[Berman:] More NSA secrets will be revealed soon. That's what a reporter for "The Guardian" is promising as the source of the leak, Edward Snowden, goes back into hiding. He's vanished. Snowden is still said to be in Hong Kong, but where very much a mystery this morning. The White House now saying it welcomes the debate over the electronic surveillance programs that Snowden exposed and the White House said it's open to changes if the national debate shows the public wants them. Federal agents are still building a case against Snowden and FBI officials says computer forensics would factor in a major way if the investigation keeps moving forward.
[Romans:] Powerful storms continue to spin off tornados across the U.S. Officials in Howard County, Maryland, that's near Baltimore, believe a twister touched there around 6:30 last night. It downed several trees. It destroyed a garage and a shed in the town of Woodbine, Maryland.
[Berman:] The extreme weather absolutely continues to across the country. There are heat waves out West and storms spinning out of control, tornadoes to the East. Indra Peterson is here with the forecast. What can we expect today?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, definitely. We're still going to be looking at more wet weather our in the Northeast. But that system currently is starting to lift out, but it kind of stalls out right around Maine. So, you can heavier amounts rain expected in the next 24 hours. They are about two to four inches. The farther to the south, we'll see those numbers down, only about one to two inches, for northern portions of New York today. As far as the severe weather, it shifts today. We're going to be looking at the slight risk area in between the warm, moist air by the warm front and the cold, dry air in Canada. So, that sliver in between coming from Montana, all the way through Indiana, that's where we're looking for storms to be firing up as we go through the afternoon today. But, again, just a slight risk. The other big story really is the heat. I mean, look how much of the country is dealing with this above normal heat, all of that continuing to spread all the way to the east today, so very dry air out there, now a little bit more moisture, of course, towards the Gulf. There, you're going to have the hot and humid air. But we're really talking about the fire danger. I mean, look at these temperatures, we saw some record 99 degrees in Denver, we saw 100 for a record in Salt Lake, you add in the heat index and, of course, this feels like triple-digit heat. So hot and dry or hot and humid. We know which one is worse, hot and humid.
[Berman:] It has been a destructive season for weather, to be sure. Indra Petersons, thanks so much. Of course, the tornadoes in Oklahoma some of the worst damage.
[Romans:] Oh, yes.
[Berman:] We know the names of all 21 people who died in last month's Oklahoma twister. The Oklahoma medical examiner releasing the list of those killed by the EF5 tornado on May 31st, including six children who were killed, another 115 people were treated at hospitals. The National Weather Service says the tornado at 2.6 miles across was the widest ever to hit this country.
[Romans:] BP and the Coast Guard announcing the cleanup is complete in Mississippi, Alabama and Florida, three years after the worst oil spill in this nation's history. Coast Guard officials say the shorelines of those three states have been restored as close as possible to conditions that existed before the Deepwater Horizon disaster. There is still, of course, cleanup work to do along Louisiana's 84-mile coast where tar balls are still washing up. So far, the spill has cost BP more than $30 billion.
[Berman:] The FBI is investigating a telephone threat that forced schools in Newtown, Connecticut, to be placed on modified lockdown. Nearly six months after the Sandy Hook massacre, parents raced to pick up their kids after receiving an e-mail Monday informing them of a threat against staff and students at the Holly School. That's less than two miles from Sandy Hook. All of the districts locked their doors for about an hour. And even though nothing was found teachers and parents had to relive the nightmare.
[Unidentified Male:] People have changed, people are kinder and I think Newtown people who work and live here, they've been through enough, they just need to be left alone.
[Berman:] Two days from now, House Republicans John Boehner and Eric Cantor plan to meet with families from the Newtown strategy. Spokesman wants to hear their stories and discuss ways to reduce the culture of violence in America.
[Romans:] Hillary Clinton welcome to Twitterverse. She already has more than 300,000 followers. Her first tweet, thanks for the inspiration. I'll take it from here, refers to supporters who created the Twitter and Tumblr accounts, "Text from Hillary," very funny. But it's her bio that maybe the most telling. It includes: dog owner, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, glass ceiling cracker and here's what gets Berman so interested TBD, three little letters being interpreted as a sign she'll make a run for the president in 2016.
[Berman:] Every step of the way, every few months, there's a little hint, a little crumb for people to keep them interested. It feels deliberate to me.
[Romans:] I think she could wake up in the morning and walk out the front door and people would say, "It's a sign she's going to run!"
[Berman:] And it would be, absolutely would be. It would definitely mean something. Thirty-eight minutes after the hour right now. And more appeals and more prayers this morning for Nelson Mandela, raising concerns that his condition this morning is very fragile. The former South African president and anti-apartheid revolutionary has been in the hospital since Saturday. He's still in intensive care. He's been fighting a reoccurring lung infection. You know, he had tuberculosis while he was in prison for 27 years. Family and friends are gathering. His ex-wife canceled a speech to be by his side. His estranged ex-wife and their daughter arrived for a visit yesterday.
[Romans:] It's not often you can look at a picture and say that man changed the world. He changed the world, everyone praying for him. Meanwhile, in Mumbai, India, rescuers looking for survivors under a collapse apartment, at least seven people were killed and six injured. Authorities think a dozen, at least a dozen more people are trapped. It was believed this building gave way after heavy monsoon rains pounded the areas.
[Berman:] All right. Do not try this at home. You know, they didn't really seem to think that one through. It was a group of Canadians always the Canadians they tried to jump a Jeep over a swimming pool. So, as you can tell, it didn't make it, it wound up in the pool instead, no one was hurt except, as I suppose you can say, the pool. The man who posted the video insists the Jeep still runs fine. Perhaps they'll think twice before trying that again. Although, you know, in Canada, you'll never know. We'll have to talk to George Stroumboulopoulos to find out if, in fact, there's a rash of these Jeep crashing into pool incidents across Canada. All right. Coming up, Plan B gets an OK from the White House. The administration changes course. It will let the drug be sold over the counter to all.

[Blitzer:] Hillary Clinton was out in public once again today, this time in New York's East Harlem neighborhood. She hasn't even declared her candidacy for 2016 but our new poll shows a big turnaround in a hypothetical 2016 matchup with Chris Christie. She now leads 55 percent to 39 percent. But is Hillary Clinton already peeking too soon, repeating some of the mistakes that cost her back in 2008? That's the conclusion of some current and former Obama aides in an article by the BuzzFeed editor-in-chief, Ben Smith. Ben is joining us now, along with "New York Times" political reporter, Amy Chozick. Guys, thanks very much for coming in. Amy, as a lot of our viewers will remember, wrote the controversial cover story I guess it was controversial because of the cover, not the article so much in "The New York Times" Sunday magazine last weekend. Ben, let me get to you first. Some of these current and former Obama aides think this is really early for all this buzz, if you will, about Hillary Clinton. Give us give us an uptick on what they told you.
[Ben Smith, Editor-in-chief, Buzzfeed.com:] And I think they're less concerned about the chatter, which is pretty inevitable. I mean, she's the obvious frontrunner, than they are that she's building this and people associated with her, with her tacit blessing are building and have built this big infrastructure around her, a group to raise large sums of money, a group to raise smaller sums of money and have do grassroots organizing. A group to do rapid response. And basically, you know, they worry that what happened in 2007, really, which is that she built this big machine but never figured out a message or a rationale for a candidacy. It's happening now the structure that gets ahead of, you know, what and I don't think anybody has really answered the question which is, if she was going to run for president, why would she do that?
[Blitzer:] Have you seen a message or some sort of structure out there already developing from her supporters, Amy?
[Amy Chozick, Political Reporter, New York Times:] Well, I think you mentioned the event today. You know, they'd really like us to focus on those events that she's doing. She held an event with Bill De Blasio, talking about early childhood development. She's talking about a lot of those issues. Income inequality, a big buzz word for Democrats right now. And she's talking about those a lot right now and she's probably wishing that those were getting attention instead of some of the polls that are out there.
[Blitzer:] Because the argument is Over the years, Ben, is it's never too early, you can't you've got to get you've got to get in this process of especially a presidential election, you've got to get in there early and you've got to work literally every day until the election.
[Smith:] You know, I mean, there's a bit of damned if you do, damned if you don't here. If there was no infrastructure, that people would probably be saying, why aren't you creating, you know, shadow groups to organize on your behalf. I mean, one of the perhaps it's interesting is the fact that people are belly aching is that Obama aides are willing to go on the record taking shots at her organization now.
[Blitzer:] Are they concerned that maybe she's getting too much exposure, Amy?
[Chozick:] Well, I thought that. And I thought Ben's story was really interesting in terms of them willing to go on record. I also thought I mean, this might be a way to give her operational lesson but it also might be, you know, some Obama Democrats are still hoping to see some challenger and to have a real debate in the Democratic Party about what they stand for, looking at someone like Elizabeth Warren, someone on the left to challenge her.
[Blitzer:] Yes, go ahead, Ben.
[Smith:] There's a real ambivalence I mean, I think there's a real ambivalence among the people who beat Hillary Clinton in 2007, 2008, about whether they want her to be the successor, whether they want Obama to be, you know, this president between two Clintons. I mean, what you hear from people around Obama himself is that he doesn't you know, he doesn't care that much. He didn't get to be president by devoting his life to caring about other people's campaigns. But I think you know, but I think at some point, you know, if she's the nominee, she it'll all kick in, that, you know, she can secure his legacy in a way that Republicans might reverse it. I think people if she's the nominee do eventually get on board, but I do think there's a lot of ambivalence around Obama now.
[Blitzer:] Were you surprised the other day when she had an event? Usually, what, she gives a speech before a trade association or something like that. She those speeches are closed doors to the media but she opened it up including to Q&A; afterwards. Amy, were you a surprised by that decision?
[Chozick:] Well, I was surprised at her frankness in talking about Benghazi. That was really the first time since she left the State Department that she really addressed it. Said it was her biggest regret. And I think of course that got a lot of attention. Also you mentioned the decision to open it up to press. Obviously most of her paid speeches are not open to press so that might signal something, especially that they wanted people to pay attention to that Benghazi reference.
[Blitzer:] Yes. And, Ben, you have a quote in there from one of her top aides, Philippe Reines, who says this, and I'll put it up on the screen. "Hillary Clinton is not a candidate. Unless and until she is we're not going to act like one. I respect Ben," referring to Ben LaBolt, the former Obama aide. "But I think many of the on the president's team would say doing so anyone doing so this far out wouldn't make sense." Do you see any tension developing between Camp Hillary and the Obama team?
[Smith:] Well, it's I mean, it's actually somewhat more complicated than that. You know, there are there are supporters of Clinton who maybe think they're getting out too early. There are certainly supporters of Obama who are working for these new Clinton institutions. 17:45:02 I mean, you know, it's the Democratic Party. It's going to be messy.
[Blitzer:] If for some reason, Amy, she decides not to run, and it's by no means for sure, she will run, she could decide she doesn't want to go through it once again, then it's a wide open field for the Democrats, isn't it?
[Chozick:] Yes. Then it's going to be really interesting. There was a good story in "The Washington Post" a couple of days ago about Martin O'Malley sort of laying the groundwork to a potential run. He said he wouldn't challenge Clinton but he wants to be ready if she doesn't run.
[Blitzer:] He's the governor of Maryland. A lot of people in Maryland
[Smith:] The future secretary of Health and Human Services.
[Blitzer:] There are a lot of people in Maryland know who he is but a lot of people outside of Maryland probably don't know who he is. Ben, walk us through that wide open field.
[Smith:] I mean, you know, there's not so much there. I mean, I do think, you know, the smartest thing anybody has done is Elizabeth Warren, who is the obvious real serious challenger to Hillary Clinton because she's you know, she's a stalwart of the progressive left, the real policy person with a real, you know, policy agenda. She's been pushing her whole career. And, also, you know, Hillary Clinton's strongest base of support, and the reason she could be a very strong candidate, is among women and Elizabeth Warren could obviously also say I you know, it'd no longer becomes well, I can be the first woman president being the determinative thing in the primary.
[Chozick:] Right.
[Smith:] The incredibly smart thing Elizabeth Warren did was say, hey, I'm not running for president.
[Blitzer:] Yes, she's now she's not running. Amy
[Smith:] Everybody is leaving her alone. She can always change her mind. That's not a binding commitment. It's made everybody to leave her alone for a year.
[Blitzer:] Well, what about the sitting vice president of the United States, Amy? I'm not hearing Joe Biden's name.
[Chozick:] Yes, I think there's a lot of of what about Joe Biden, especially among his top supporters. I hear that a lot. And you saw Jim Messina, top Obama operation, go joined Priorities which is, you know, supporting a Clinton potential Clinton candidacy. And so I think there is a lot of what about me in terms of Biden.
[Blitzer:] Well, we'll see what happens. It's still obviously very early. Guys Ben, good article. Thanks very much for joining us. Amy, loved the cover story in the Sunday "New York Times" magazine as well.
[Chozick:] Thanks a lot.
[Blitzer:] Mitt Romney is joining us, by the way, tomorrow here in THE SITUATION ROOM. I'll speak with him live. I'll ask him the big question that's been on the mind of some voters out there. Is it possible is it realistic to maybe run a third time in 2016? Also, what does the former Olympic chief executive think about security in Sochi? Mitt Romney here live in THE SITUATION ROOM tomorrow, 5:00 p.m. Eastern. Just ahead, the worst month for flight cancellations in years. A new storm is coming in the days ahead and it could mean thousands more cancellations. And I'll talk to the real-life Erin Brockovich about that chemical spill that contaminated water for hundreds of thousands of people. Now it's a subject of a brand new criminal investigation.

[Cooper:] Well, today was certainly a wakeup call for anyone who still believes that professional sports exists on a separate plane from the real world. Somehow removed from the real world problems like domestic violence and racism. Exhibit A, today, Ray Rice, exhibit B, the case of Atlanta Hawks' majority owner Bruce Levenson. Like the L.A. Clippers' Donald Sterling he is in hot water for things he said about African- Americans. Unlike Donald Sterling he's selling his stake in the team without a fight. Also unlike Sterling, he's got some big named defenders including NBA great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who joins us shortly for an exclusive interview. But first background tonight from Martin Savidge.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] It's the e-mail this cost a team. In 2012 Atlanta Hawks majority owner Bruce Levenson fired off these insights on why the franchise wasn't attracting more affluent white season ticket holders. "Looking around It's 70 percent black," Levenson wrote. "My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites." He goes on, "I think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or in a bar where they were in the minority." He says it bothered him every fan picked out for a contest is black and says, "I have even bitched the kiss cam is too black." For the NBA, it's another embarrassment as the league is still struggling to overcome the racially-laced diatribe of former Clippers owner Donald Sterling earlier this year. In fact, Levenson was one of Sterling's strongest critics speaking out to CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
[Bruce Levenson, Atlanta Hawks Owner:] Donald Sterling, was he said. I'm his partner. I can't be partners with somebody who shares those views.
[Savidge:] Sunday Levenson issued an apology and announced that he's selling the team, dumping the PR nightmare into the lap of the Hawks' brand new CEO Steve Koonin. In an exclusive interview Koonin told me he was dumbfounded when he read the 2012 e-mail. [On Camera] That said business bigoted e-mail. And it is breathtakingly stupid as far as a business communication. What were your thoughts when you read it?
[Steve Koonin, Atlanta Haws Ceo:] I couldn't believe it. I think you just said breathtakingly stupid. I think I had an audible gasp. And there are no words to describe, there's nothing but mortified and angry.
[Savidge:] Koonin told me the outrage came to light after Hawks general manager, Danny Ferry, made what was considered by some fellow front office managers as a racially insensitive remark and that Ferry has since been disciplined.
[Koonin:] I have punished Mr. Ferry in excess of the findings. He and I have
[Savidge:] Punished in what way?
[Koonin:] We're going to keep what that punishment is as a team private matter. That is the way that we feel is best to do it. But I can assure you we listened, we reacted and we've put a punishment that is appropriate, some will say it's too could say it's too harsh, some could say it's not harsh enough.
[Savidge:] An internal investigation was launched due to Ferry's remark and Levenson's bombshell e-mail was found. Attempts to reach Ferry have so far been unsuccessful. Koonin realized first he had to apologize to the fans and second face the team. [On Camera] Have you spoken to any of the team?
[Koonin:] There was a meeting. I addressed them.
[Savidge:] What was that like?
[Koonin:] It was like walking into a funeral. These are young men who wear our city's name and our logo on their chest. They played for a team and they're supposed to be supported by their ownership and ownership failed in supporting them.
[Savidge:] CNN tried to speak to Levenson but he has yet to be seen publicly since the sale announcement. [On Camera] When was the last time you spoke to Bruce Levenson?
[Koonin:] Yesterday.
[Savidge:] What did you say?
[Koonin:] I think it's best if you walk away.
[Savidge:] And what did he say?
[Koonin:] You're right.
[Savidge:] Of course, all of this came out on Sunday, yesterday, the first day of the NFL season. So many people were focused on football, not on the NBA. So it's going to be interesting now that this information is coming out about this e-mail and what was said, what the reaction will be. It is likely to grow. Martin Savidge, CNN.
[Cooper:] Well, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed calls the Levenson e-mail reprehensible. A local pastor calls the remarks horrible and civil rights leader in Atlanta says they show that racism is alive and well in the city. NBA Hall of Famer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, he joins me now. He wrote in "TIME" magazine in a column, he wrote, "Atlanta Hawks controlling owner Bruce Levenson is no Donald Sterling. Nor is his e- mail racist. In fact his worst crime is misguided white guilt." He joins me now for an exclusive interview. Thanks for being with us. You say that Levenson is, quote, "a businessman asking reasonable questions about how to put customers in seats and that he was simply addressing a problem that seemed obvious to him." But he's talking about black people scaring away white people and white people feeling uncomfortable being at a bar with black people.
[Kareem Abdul-jabbar, Former L.a. Lakers Player:] Well, you know, what I see is that the whole idea of racism is a very uncomfortable subject. And it's very complex, it's emotional. It's hard to pin certain things down. How do you know how much guilt is affecting which certain person in what way. You know, you go through all types of weird scenarios. We're trying to figure these things out. And it's very difficult. And I think that in this case, Mr. Levenson should be given the benefit of the doubt because he was trying to assess how to run his business in a more efficient and profitable way. I don't think it had anything to do with him trying to keep blacks out of the arena where his team plays or in any way saying that black people were the problem.
[Cooper:] But isn't that what I mean, isn't that what he's saying? I mean, you can say this is a business decision, but he is trying to figure out how to get more white people to come in and fewer black people to come in. I mean, how to get white people or companies to buy season passes and to buy box seats. Isn't that automatically meaningless African-Americans?
[Abdul-jabbar:] Well, I think you want to get as many affluent people who can afford to buy season tickets to do so. And that will come from across the racial spectrum. I don't think that any one group is singled out there. You want to get as many affluent people as you can to support your team.
[Cooper:] But he is saying white people are scared he's saying white people are being scared away. He says the audience is 70 percent black. He says they need, you know, some white cheerleaders in there and less black people on the kiss cam.
[Abdul-jabbar:] I don't you know, I haven't heard his voice in all this. I'd really like to hear what he has to say because, you know, there are a lot of different ways to interpret this. And I would really I really feel that he deserves at least the chance to defend himself.
[Cooper:] Absolutely.
[Abdul-jabbar:] We can find out exactly what he was thinking and, you know, what he meant when he was saying those things.
[Cooper:] Is there anything in what you read, though, that makes you uncomfortable? Obviously we would love to hear from him. He hasn't made any public comments. I'm sure he's probably being advised by various PR people not to or to lay low for a while. But is there anything in those comments that as you read them that you thought, wow, that's I don't I mean, I understand that's a business decision, but fewer black people on the kiss cam?
[Abdul-jabbar:] I don't think that he is expressing any hatred for any racial group. I didn't see that. He might have the way things came out were very awkward and it's hard to figure out exactly what he's talking about because getting more people in the seats is a problem or an issue for anyone who owns a professional sports team. So one of the issues that this gentleman had to try to deal with was race. And again it's a very volatile and emotional issue, but I think he should get the benefit of the doubt and be given a chance to explain exactly what he was talking about.
[Cooper:] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, appreciate you being on. Thank you very much.
[Abdul-jabbar:] My pleasure.
[Cooper:] And people can check out your article at TIME.com. Let's dig deeper now with CNN political commentator and "New York Times" Charles Blow, back with us is senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin. Charles, what did you think of what Kareem said?
[Charles Blow, Cnn Political Commentator:] I mean, I have all the respect. I grew up watching Kareem. So I look for him as well as a sports star and even now as an elder statesman. But I cannot agree disagree more with what he's saying. We can't get a business waiver for bias. I don't even understand that. I don't even understand how you can read what Levenson has written there and not take away from that that he is thinking about, contemplating, placating unreasonable racist fear or discomfort around African-American people in the stands and how do you look at that and look at the history of this country and realize what kind of business interests have been used to propagate the most grotesque forms of racism in this country.
[Cooper:] Let me just play devil's advocate here because Kareem's not here on this. As a businessperson if you were saying, we need to fill more seat and why don't we have a greater more diversity in our audience, why don't we have big companies paying big money for box seats and things like that, maybe some people feel uncomfortable, maybe we need a greater diversity in our cheerleading staff, a greater diversity of those who appear on television on the kiss cam. Is that wrong?
[Blow:] But dig down to what you're saying. Right? So the if you're saying that the reason that they won't do that is because there is a visceral reaction to the to black people and that we need to modify the people who come to our stadium to kind of appease this racist, visceral reaction that people are having, that is offensive in the highest order. This kind of business rationale. That's that's why we had segregated lunch counters is because people were uncomfortable or afraid of black people being next to them. That's why we had, you know a lot of the Jim Crow architecture is built around comforting white people so they did not have to be around black people and therefore they would stay redlining in neighborhoods is built around the same idea.
[Cooper:] Jeff, what do you make? On the side you were saying is we need to play a greater diversity in music, something that, you know, a guy in his 40s, you know, not so much hip-hop and gospel which is apparently what they were playing a lot of.
[Toobin:] You know, I was more sympathetic to what Kareem wrote in at TIME.com. Look, you know, like all businesses they want to diverse customer base. If you look at the Atlanta metropolitan area, most of the rich people, the people who can afford season tickets are white. How can we get more white people in the building, I think that's what he was concerned about. It was a legitimate way to get more people into the stadium. He expressed himself in a horrible way. It is appropriate that he's selling the team. I think Adam Silver who should be commissioner of baseball as well as basketball. He said at his first press conference, we are a league that is overwhelmingly black among the players and overwhelmingly white among the owners, so we need to be more sensitive than most on this and they are more sensitive and thus
[Cooper:] Is it just a sensitivity issue?
[Blow:] No, that's a problem to even phrase it that way. When you say the reason that you need to be more sensitive is because the more of your players are black, no you need to be more sensitive because that's the more humane thing to do. The humanity in us should dictate that we do not punish people or play to people on the basis of race. It shouldn't even be about what the composition of the players is.
[Cooper:] You have a lot to write in "The New York Times." Charles Blow, thank you, and Jeff Toobin as well. More breaking news tonight, the U.S. may have identified the masked man in the James Foley execution video. Is it is same terrorist seen in the ISIS video of another murdered American, Steven Sotloff. We'll talk to one of Sotloff's close friends about this new information and about his friend's remarkable life and career.

[Newton:] Here we are, live in New York City outside the Time Warner Center. And a day after Apple and IBM announced a partnership, BlackBerry shares took a beating, BlackBerry down more than 10 percent. Shares of Apple closed flat. IBM, though, rose 2 percent. Apple wants to make devices tailored to companies in banking, health care, insurance that's just to name a few. It's teaming up with IBM to create apps for these businesses. And it may seem like an unlikely duo. The rivalry between the companies has been a bitter one. Apple made this famous ad in 1984 when it was battling IBM.
[Unidentified Male:] Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests of purveying contradictory thoughts. Our Unification of Thought is more powerful a weapon
[Newton:] Apple could probably run that ad today to describe its culture. Now, there's no word yet on what apps will be produced. CEO and president of the Boston Consulting Group, Rich Lesser, believes that this venture would appeal to a lot of companies even outside the tech sector.
[Rich Lesser, Ceo And President, The Boston Consulting Group:] The way consumers want to interact with the world affects everybody, and I think this combination, where you're combining Apple's consumer-driven ecosystem and IBM's business ecosystem, and together, creating business-related applications that can really be advantaged. I think it's a really powerful combination, and that's exactly the kind of things business way beyond the tech world are thinking about, about how they need to change their models and how they think about what ecosystems they want to be a part of.
[Newton:] Our business correspondent Samuel Burke joins me now. That really shook a lot of people, Apple and IBM joining forces, and yet, they are so desperate to get that piece of the business pie.
[Samuel Burke, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Well, Paula, think of all the places where you see IBM products cash registers, for example. They almost always have the IBM logo. So what BlackBerry investors fear is that now instead of having IBM cash registers, you'll have Apple iPads and Apple phones in all of these people, and people taking your orders on those devices using apps fro IBM on devices from Apple. And that's what really has people nervous. But some people might be surprised that BlackBerry even still existed. Whenever I talk about Apple and BlackBerry and all these companies, I always want to remind people of the market share and just how much BlackBerry has lost.
[Newton:] How bad is it, Samuel?
[Burke:] It's really bad. So, if you look at the operating systems and their market share, you have about 81 percent for Android, so they're the clear winner. You have IOS, which of course, Apple's operating system, taking about 15 percent of market share, what you're seeing on your screen right there. Windows phones does even better than BlackBerry, your old Canadian friends. They have 3 percent Windows phone, and your Canadian friends, 0.5 percent, so there's barely anything left. The one thing that people were clinging onto was the fact that so many corporations, like the people inside this building, were still typing away on their little keyboards. But now, it looks like IBM might even send those people typing somewhere else.
[Newton:] Stop mocking me! This is my BlackBerry, and you're mocking me for typing, you're mocking me this is a great Canadian company that thought that it had a lot of proprietary information, patents that people said was valued. It was the security of this system. What has happened to the value of all of that?
[Burke:] Well, a lot of people have talked about that over and over again, that this little device has a lot of security. But some really some security experts that I have talked to have said over and over again, BlackBerry really sold out their security. They made deals with a lot of countries to share information with certain governments, and they said that's where they lost it. So, what IBM can go in and do is create apps that provide security. We're already seeing that security has become a big premium not just for Apple and IBM. But for many other companies, including some smaller companies moving in to fill that void, so they can go in and create apps that will make the iPhone secure, rendering this device less and less necessary, even for big corporations, which have clung on when everybody else, as you saw in those numbers, has already gone away.
[Newton:] It'll be interesting to see what that company does, interesting to see how soon we will see new apps, business apps.
[Burke:] A hundred apps, they say, are coming from IBM for Apple.
[Newton:] Tailor-made for certain industries.
[Burke:] We'll see.
[Newton:] It'll be interesting to see. Thanks, Samuel, appreciate you coming out here, even if you had to mock the Canadians, that's all right. The United States has now imposed new sanctions against Russia. Now, people have been talking about this for a while. They were at what they call the Tier One, and no one had heard anything more, given all the tensions between Ukraine and Russia. Now, those new sanctions include important Russian assets, like Gazprom Bank and the Rosneft Oil Company. It also includes the deputy chairman of the Douma and an aid to President Vladimir Putin. We should say that many people were already on that list say they wear it as a badge of honor. Still to come on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS, when Murdoch buys, the market moves. We'll show you how, next.

[Romans:] Fifty-two minutes past the hour. Welcome back. A prediction from presidential hopeful Ted Cruz. The Texas senator says Jeb Bush will shatter every fundraising record in the upcoming campaign for the White House, but Cruz believes everyone will be surprised by how much support his candidacy receives. So far, that support is not materializing. Here's Cruz declaring yesterday and listen to the harsh response from a fellow Republican, Congressman Peter King of New York.
[Sen. Ted Cruz , Presidential Candidate:] Imagine in 2017, a new president signing legislation repealing every word of Obamacare. I believe in you, I believe in the power of millions of courageous conservatives rising up to reignite the promise of America.
[Rep. Peter King , New York:] Ted Cruz may be intelligent person, but he doesn't carry out an intelligent debate. He oversimplifies, he exaggerates, and he basically led the Republican Party over the cliff in the fall of 2013. He has shown no qualifications, no legislation being passed, doesn't provide leadership, and he has no real experience. So, to me, he is just a guy with a big mouth and no results.
[Romans:] A carnival barker he calls him. Not a head of state. And quite frankly, he's talking in the fall of 2013 about the government shutdown and the senator standing on the floor of the Senate for 21 hours reading Dr. Seuss. He said that was not presidential. That was chaotic. Senator Rand Paul is expected to announce his candidacy in early April. The Kentucky Republican says he and Ted Cruz agree on most things, but Paul believes he is more electable than Cruz and has a better chance of beating Hillary Clinton. So, o what would the Ted Cruz economy look like? We'll fact check his talking points, next.

[Baldwin:] A lot can happen in 20 years. "Back to the Future 2" anyone? Teleboards? What about turning on the news to hear the words "we are not alone in our galaxy." It turns out the folks at NASA are so confident, they say the proof of alien life could come within our lifetime. So this panel of these super-smart science space experts holding a meeting in Washington to discuss exactly how NASA expects to find the first inhabited planet. Joining me now with Charles Bolden, NASA administrator. He commanded multiple crews and multiple space shuttles, graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy. Charlie Bolden, am I right in all these accolades for you? Welcome back to the show, by the way.
[Charles Bolden, Nasa Administrator:] Good to be here, Brooke. Thank you very much.
[Baldwin:] So with all the accolades and everything you are, you've accomplished, you have said every time you've gone up to space and I was just asking in the commercial break you said that you actually were looking for life up there. Seriously?
[Bolden:] You're always looking to find out if you know, the ultimate question is, are we alone, and that's what NASA is about. You know, President Obama has challenged us to put humans on Mars in the next 20 to 30 years, in the 2030s. And that's our focus right now. That's the focus of the agency. So
[Baldwin:] Can we be clear, though, can we define life? We joke about it a little bit, tongue in cheek here, but we're not talking little green men. Are we talking moss? What are we talking about?
[Bolden:] We're talking about anything that is organic, anything that is a building block of life as we know it. And I tell people all of the time, we may find that they're microbial forms of life. There may be much more advanced forms of life than we. We don't know. We just want to find out. We believe that in this vast universe, there are other forms of life other than just here on this planet.
[Baldwin:] It's hard to think that we would possibly be alone. But I'll leave it to you and the folks at NASA to figure this out. Which, speaking of, how will you find this out? Can you just talk me through logistics in finding life?
[Bolden:] Yes. In fact, we've been searching for life for many, many years. We have two rovers right now on Mars. One is "Curiosity" and the other is "Opportunity." "Curiosity" is specifically taking little chemistry labs on board, constantly taking samples from the soil and rock. We are trying to get humans to the planet, because we know that whenever humans go, they can do things much quicker, over much vaster expanses than robots can.
[Baldwin:] What's the thought among you astronaut types as far as what really lurks out there? What's the thought? What do you all talk about up there?
[Bolden:] I'm not sure anybody has a guess as to what's out there. We just I think most of us believe that there is life form of some type. Whether you're talking about, you know, the planet in the moon, or the moon Europa of Jupiter, where there is interest now, other solar systems. We believe, I believe, that a multi-planet species is the kind of species that will survive in perpetuity. We just want to demonstrate the fact there is other life other places.
[Baldwin:] OK. I feel I would be remiss if we didn't talk a little bit about the possibility of asteroids. I've had multiple astronauts on the show. The true fear from scientists is that only luck will save us from becoming dinosaurs. We know what happened to them eons ago. So the critics, shouldn't we be more concerned about that and asteroids versus spending money to try to see if life is all there?
[Bolden:] It's all a part of the grant strategy, to be quite honest. We want to get humans to Mars. That's the ultimate if you want to call it the horizon destination. We don't have the capability to do that yet. And so we need a proving ground. And we're going to use the lunar orbit as that proving ground. We're going to try to grapple an asteroid, move it into a lunar orbit, use it as a proving ground, where we can demonstrate some of the techniques and procedures, develop the technologies necessary to get humans to survive a trip all the way to Mars. So it's all a part of the NASA strategy right now for eventually getting humans to Mars in the 2030s and fulfilling President Obama's direction to us from 2010.
[Baldwin:] You had me at grappling an asteroid. We'll save that conversation for the next time you come on the show.
[Cnn, 9:] 00 eastern and pacific. Just ahead, Rupert Murdoch, the media mogul, who owns properties, including FOX News, made an offer to buy Time Warner. That's the parent company of CNN. Hmmm. Find out what happened next.

[Baldwin:] Now to a petty crime that will make you wonder who is being petty. Is it the police or this accused perp? Here's the story, from Georgia, this is an Atlanta suburb. Officers there charged this father with theft after he charged his electric car at an outlet at his son's school last month. He's Kabeh Kamooneh, and he told our affiliate WXIA that his car, this Nissan Leaf, had been plugged in for about 20 minutes, which is worth about 5 cents in power. An electricity expert confirmed to CNN that price is indeed accurate. Now, he spent 15 hours in jail before being released over this.
[Sgt. Ernesto Ford, Chamblee Police:] He broke the law. He stole something that wasn't his, yes.
[Doug Richards, Wxia Reporter:] Even if it was a small amount of electricity, it's justified.
[Ford:] A theft is a theft, yes.
[Richards:] You would do it again?
[Ford:] Absolutely.
[Richards:] Did you ask for permission to plug into the school?
[Kaveh Kamooneh, Defendant:] When I first got there, there was nobody there. It was a Saturday morning. No.
[Baldwin:] Kamooneh said there are many cases in which police do not charge when there's no consent, like someone taking a drink from a water fountain, for example. CNN has made calls to Chamblee police. We're still waiting a comment from them. It has been more than two and a half years now since Japan's Fukishima Daiichi nuclear reactor was badly damaged by that tsunami and cleanup is expected to take as long as 40 years, that's 4-0. CNN's Ana Coren was granted rare access inside this plant. This is the closest a journalist has ever been allowed to see the recovery work.
[Ana Coren, Cnn Correspondent:] We are here inside reactor 4 at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power plant. It was in here where there was that massive high explosion that severely damaged the building. But this was the least damaged of the four reactors because it was under maintenance and wasn't actually operating. Now two and a half years later, Tepco says it reached a milestone. That massive crane behind me is moving 1500 fuel rods in that cooling pool to a storage pool next door. It's a slow and delicate process that will take about a year, but once finished it will mean that this reactor can be decommissioned. Attention going to then turn to reactors 1, 2, and 3 that suffered far worst damage. The situation there is serious and the levels of radiation are dangerously high. Workers have begun removing debris, but the clean up inside the reactors is a long way off. Officials here said the entire plant won't be decommissioned for at least 40 years. As for the future of nuclear power in Japan, no one really knows. More than 50 reactors have been shut down with the public very concerned about their health and safety. But Japanese prime minister is pushing to re-open them, believing that Japan can have a safe nuclear future. Ana Coren, CNN, Fukushima, Japan.
[Baldwin:] Ana Coren, thank you, with that exclusive access there. Closing the wealth gap between the richest and the poorest Americans, President Obama focused on that near minutes ago. You'll hear his message on economic inequality. That's next.

[Banfield:] We've just learned the names of the four people who were arrested overnight in connection with the slew of drugs that were found in Philip Seymour Hoffman's apartment. According to investigators they are Juliana Luchkiw 22-years-old, Max Rosenblum 22- years-old, Robert Vineberg 57-years-old, and Thomas Cushman 48 years- old. 11:20:00 It is without a doubt their arrests are not going to bring back this talented actor, this long-time partner, this father to three children. But it could bring justice, and it could also lock up these people who may have, just may have, provided envelope upon envelope of the killer heroin that took his life. It is clear Hoffmann was truly battling some inner demons. Now, his secrets may actually be contained inside his personal journal. We've also learned that investigators found that journal in the search of his apartment. That journal and whatever is inside it could be a huge break in this case. CNN entertainment correspondent, Nichelle Turner, joins me now. First off, what do we know about these people who have been arrested in connection with this case, Nischelle?
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] Okay, Ashleigh, there are a lot of things at play here right now. First of all, the people that were arrested overnight. Three men and a woman, they are going to be charged with various drug offenses. I do think it is really interesting that authorities have made it very clear and been very specific that they will charge them in connection with the drugs that were found in Hoffmann's apartment, not necessarily with his death at this point. I think that they are trying to make a clear distinction because there were some indications that maybe the drugs they found in the apartment. They found 350 glassine bags which they think have heroin in them at the apartment of these four. They didn't have that same stamp on the bags that they found in Philip Seymour Hoffman's apartment. So, they've got some things to connect here. They do believe these people were connected to the drugs found in Philip Seymour Hoffman's apartment.
[Banfield:] I was at the screening last night of "The Monument Men" when George Clooney spoke to this huge theater, and the very first thing he said was just how tragic it is to be in New York among all these entertainers and the entertainment community at a time when they have lost one of the most powerful voices. It was very sad, and very profound. Nischelle, thank you. Good to see you.
[Turner:] Sure.
[Banfield:] So, CNN's legal analyst and defense attorney, Mark O'Mara has something pretty profound to say about this as well. The LEGAL VIEW on this, and this is where I really need to drill down to the bottom of what these four people could be facing. Is it charges in relation to the death or sentencing in relation to the death? As Nischelle was saying, charges may be in relation to the heroin, but charges in relation to the death or sentencing, potentially, if there's a guilty verdict in relation to the death. Clear that up.
[Mark O'mara, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Sure. Under New York state law and many state laws, there is no direct connection between the death of the person using the drugs and the drug dealer. Although some legislatures are trying to do that, they are trying to expand what we call the felony murder rule, which is to say if in fact you give the drug and it causes a death, you should be responsible. Morally, that sounds really right and proper for us. However, a state law doesn't exist yet in New York. Under federal law, however, for drug traffickers or drug dealers, if a death occurs as in this case it obviously did, if they can connect the drugs that Hoffman had to the drugs that were given to him by these people, then it is a sentencing enhancement so you can get a much higher sentence in the federal court because your drug dealing resulted in a death.
[Banfield:] What does that mean, much higher? Because when I think felony murder, you commit a felony, you drive the getaway car and someone dies in the bank, you didn't pull the trigger but you could still go away for life. What about this? What how high could an enhancement take that sentence?
[O'mara:] The enhancement is not significant in cases like this, or at least not with the current law. So, it may a couple to a few years to a sentence, maybe a touch more than that based upon prior record. There is civil liability as well. At least the Feds acknowledge that the death occurring from a drug dealing event should increase the sentencing. Felony murder rule is a little bit more difficult to address.
[Banfield:] It makes my blood boil. To me, it looks simple. You are the expert and I am not. Maybe there will be some laws that change, when it's this high profile. Stay with me, Mark, if you will; we've got another story that you are a perfect voice on. A shooting at a gas station, all of it over loud music. There is a death and there is an arrest. A Florida man is on trial for this, and he says he shot in self-defense. Now, will his attorneys push stand your ground.

[Tapper:] As the world waits to see what's going to happen in Syria, Israel confirms it carried out a missile test today in the Mediterranean. The Israeli defense ministry says the arrow defense system you see an arrow missile here successfully detected and tracked a sparrow target missile. The U.S. Department of Defense confirms that it provided technical assistance and support for the missile test, but a Pentagon spokesman says the test had nothing to do with any possible U.S. military action in Syria. In the next hour, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will holds its first hearings on the case for striking Syria. Among those testifying, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey, and Secretary of State John Kerry. Joining me now is a new face on CNN, chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto. Jim, first of all, welcome. Good to see you again.
[Jim Sciutto, Chief National Security Correspondent:] It's great to be onboard. Look forward to doing a lot of work together.
[Tapper:] Absolutely. We're lucky to have you here. First of all, what do you expect will come out of today's hearing?
[Sciutto:] Well, Secretaries Hagel and Kerry, they're going to be making the deterrent case for an attack, saying that not only will Bashar al- Assad be watching what the U.S. does, but so will Iran, Hezbollah, North Korea, and say, that if the U.S. does not act now, they will be emboldened to use these kinds of weapons, attack U.S. allies and also threaten U.S. interest. Dempsey's going to focus on the military side. He's going to make the case that no matter when the U.S. military strikes, it's going to have value.
[Tapper:] How could that possibly be? How could it possibly be the case that giving Syria all this lead time won't affect the strikes and how potentially effective they are?
[Sciutto:] I mean you and I remember, being embedded, operational security was everything.
[Tapper:] Sure.
[Sciutto:] You don't want it telegraph. We have telegraphed here. The Defense Department argument is that they would be adjusting their targets no matter what. Had they started this weekend or two weeks from now, as they begin an attack, Syrian forces respond. They move resources. The Pentagon would be adjusting their targets. So whether they do it today or two weeks from now, they would still have a military effect. It's a difficult case to make because chemical weapons facilities can empty, troops can disperse, missiles can be moved. It's going to be a tough argument.
[Tapper:] And Dempsey himself has expressed skepticism both publicly and privately about the effectiveness of this potential attack.
[Sciutto:] Yes.
[Tapper:] What is he going to say today? Senators are going to bring that up.
[Sciutto:] Yes, he's on the record. He wrote a letter to the Senate Armed Services Committee saying that any action would amount to a serious act of war. What the Pentagon is saying now is that he was a skeptic not of a limited strike. A skeptic only of a massive military operation. A no-fly zone, boots on the ground and it's something like the White House is talking about a targeted strike with limitations on timing, targets and certainly no boots on the ground. That he's never been a skeptic of and he's onboard.
[Tapper:] All right, Jim Sciutto, good to have you onboard.
[Sciutto:] Thanks very much.
[Tapper:] The U.N. says a Syrian becomes a refugee every 15 seconds. The numbers are staggering. In a minute we'll hear about some of the horrors women refugees are facing.

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome to Tuesday`s edition of CNN STUDENT NEWS. I`m Carl Azuz, reporting from the CNN Center in Atlanta. First thing we`re talking about today is a wildfire in California that`s chewed up about 150,000 acres. That`s about the size of Chicago. The Rim fire has become the 13th largest in California`s history.
[Vickie Wright, U.s. Forest Service:] It was astounding to see the power of what I witnessed earlier. So our main objectives right now structure protection, just making sure that we keep everyone safe and we protect that park at all costs.
[Azuz:] Vickie Wright was talking about Yosemite National Park, which has lost at least 12,000 acres to the fire. But this thing is so massive, it`s also threatening some power and water supplies in San Francisco, more than 100 miles west of the park. Thousands of firefighters have been going after this. They`d had it 7 percent contained on Sunday. It was 15 percent contained by last night. That`s like saying it was 15 percent fenced in. It will have to be 100 percent contained before it can potentially be considered controlled. Yesterday, we also talked about Syria`s government offering access to inspectors from the United Nations. The Syrian government and rebel forces, the two sides in Syria`s civil war, have accused each other of using chemical weapons. U.N. inspectors are there to figure out if chemical weapons were used, but not to determine who might have used them. During their work yesterday, one of the inspectors` vehicle was hit by sniper fire. No reports of injuries, and the United Nations did not say who might have been responsible for the shooting. Despite that, the inspection team described Monday as a very productive day, and said it planned to keep working in Syria today. That includes interviews with witnesses, doctors, and survivors. The U.N. team also collects samples. Experts say chemical traces can be found in survivors and plants for months after an attack takes place. U.N.`s work can have an impact on whether or not other nations take action against Syria. United Nations officials say the use of chemical weapons must be punished, and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry agreed with that statement yesterday, saying there must be accountability. When Ty Carter was a teenager, he didn`t have a lot of friends. He joined the Marines, but was demoted and then discharged after a fight with a roommate. But yesterday, the man who once described himself as not exactly hero material, was awarded the nation`s highest military decoration, the Medal of Honor. Carter enlisted in the Army in 2008 and received the medal for his actions in Afghanistan. He was stationed at Combat Outpost Keating in 2009 when it was attacked by Taliban fighters. During the battle, Carter, who is now a staff sergeant, volunteered to cross through enemy fire multiple times to get supplies to other soldiers. Since returning home, Staff Sergeant Carter has struggled with PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. He`s spoken openly about it as part of what he calls the invisible wounds of war. During yesterday`s ceremony, President Obama praised Staff Sergeant Carter`s heroism, and his efforts to raise awareness about the disorder.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] To any of our troops or veterans who are watching and struggling, look at this man. Look at this soldier, look at this warrior. He`s as tough as they come, and if he can find the courage and the strength to not only seek help but also to speak out about it, to take care of himself and to stay strong, then so can you.
[Azuz:] U.S. presidents keep a pretty full schedule. For example, yesterday, in addition to the ceremony for Sergeant Carter, President Obama had meetings with faith leaders and with the winners of a national debate tournament. What if you could get on the president`s schedule? If you had 5 minutes, what would you want to talk about? That`s what we asked some high school juniors and seniors for this installment of the CNN STUDENT NEWS Viewfinder.
[Amaya Carr ,high School Senior:] His childhood, and how life is for him. Because he all know he runs the world, but I really want to know how he feels, if he has a diary, and like how is everyday life for him, and what stresses him out.
[Grace Ryback, High School Senior:] I`d definitely talk to him about how he deals with the pressure of everything that goes around him. There`s pressure from everyone around him.
[Roma Parikh, High School Senior:] You know, it would be nice to get to know him on a personal level on a platform that isn`t I`m here, down below, and he`s up there on the stage. But also I guess I`d like to talk about the political things and just how he views things himself, but not so much as the president.
[Mykel Skinner, High School Junior:] I would more talk to him about himself, what makes him different, you know? We all hear about politics and everything, but we really don`t know who Mr. Obama is, and I`d like to get more in depth and see what makes him special.
[Garland Jones, High School Senior:] I am going to ask him a lot of basketball questions, since he seems to be such an avid basketball player, and find out why he doesn`t ever pick Duke for the final four.
[Marilyn Primovic, High School Senior:] I would bring up the whole debt situation, because that`s going to affect our generation the most. All the bills that are being passed are affecting are going to affect the debt that our generation is going to have to find a way to pay off, and I am concerned about how we`re going to do that.
[Nick Musey, High School Senior:] You know, just give me a 5-minute spiel on how you think you would use our generation to connect back to the global community, because before, you know, in the `80s, in the `70s, we were number one in everything, but now in 2013, in the 21st century, we have become detached from the world. So I think, I want to know how he would use our generation to become more connected to the world again.
[Unidentified Female:] It`s time for the shoutout. What famous composer wrote the musical work "Ode to Joy?" If you think you know it, then shout it out. Was it Bach, Mozart, Beethoven or Handel? You`ve got 3 seconds, go. This is "Ode to Joy," and it`s part of Beethoven`s 9th Symphony. That is your answer and that`s your shoutout.
[Azuz:] By the time Beethoven composed the 9th Symphony, he had become deaf. Stories say he sawed the legs off his piano so he could feel the vibrations of the different notes through the floor. Robbie Wilde does not play the piano. He makes music in a similar way, using senses other than his hearing, and as Sarah Hoye shows us, this DJ does not miss a beat.
[Sarah Hoye, Cnn Correspondent:] It`s New York Fashion Week, and DJ Robbie Wilde is busy working the exclusive Project Runway designer reunion party. Wilde lives in the world of rhythm and bass. He just can`t hear it. Ear infections as a child left Wilde completely deaf in his right ear, and with only 20 percent hearing in his left. Did you ever feel sorry for yourself?
[Robbie Wilde, Dj:] Never, no. Sometimes I would even forget sometimes myself.
[Hoye:] Although hearing is the most important sense in a DJ`s life, Wilde was determined to make it. He got his first shot to perform at his father`s restaurant nearly a decade ago. And hasn`t looked back since.
[Wilde:] I still consider it as a hobby. I really do love it. Like, I don`t see it as a job, you know? And that`s the best part, if you love something, you don`t consider it as a job, you know, you are happy to go to work.
[Hoye:] Wild went to DJ school to learn the art of turntablism. And also relies on his computer to see the music and feels the vibration, relatively. He`s dubbed "that deaf DJ" by club goers and promoters, and it`s a moniker even he uses, but Wilde says it`s more than just about his deafness.
[Wilde:] I don`t want you to see me as a deaf DJ or a deaf kid trying to DJ. I want you to see me as a great DJ that happens to be deaf, you know? Because I don`t want sympathy. I don`t want, oh, let`s give him a gig because, you know, he`s hearing impaired.
[Hoye:] His skills got noticed by HP and earned him a spot on the commercial, thrusting him onto the world stage.
[Wilde:] It does not matter that I can`t hear the music.
[Danielle Jones, Hewlett Packard:] That he`s doing it through touch, without being able to hear the music, is a wonderful story.
[Hoye:] Besides, some things are better left unheard, he says.
[Wilde:] There is a lot of sounds out in the world you don`t want to hear. I like it muffled. It`s, you know, I like who I am, I`m proud of who I am.
[Hoye:] When he`s not DJ`ing, Wilde is in the studio producing music. What is your message for those who are trying to chase a dream just like you?
[Wilde:] Honestly, never give up.
[Hoye:] Sarah Hoye, CNN, New York.
[Azuz:] Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my. It`s time for the CNN STUDENT NEWS roll call. Where are we heading first? Lafayette, Louisiana. Home of the Lions from Lafayette High. Hope you`re having a great day there. Then it`s up to Konawa high school in Konawa, Oklahoma. The Tigers are watching CNN STUDENT NEWS. And our bears are Grizzlies, the Granger Grizzlies from Rutledge, Tennessee. Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, roll call. Colorado State University just wrapped up its welcome week for first-year students. Definitely a warm welcome for this guy. Three chances to make a half-court shot. Only needed one. So what did he win, besides a YouTube video and the apparent adulation of his fellow freshmen? He got free tuition for a year. So five seconds of work in exchange for an entire year`s college costs, I`d say it was a pretty good net gain. Only one student got a shot, so anyone else who was hoping for a chance at this year`s free ride was simply reduced tuition. It`s going to wrap things up for today. For CNN STUDENT NEWS, I`m Carl Azuz. END

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper coming to you live from outside the United States Senate, where the countdown to a partial government shutdown continues. With fewer than eight hours for the Congress to come to a solution. Just a short time ago, the Senate voted to reject the Republican government funding bill which included a one year delay on a key part of Obamacare. It's now back to the House to decide the next move on how to fund the government and avoid a shutdown. It's just like hot potato. But instead of a potato, it's about 800,000 employees facing losing their paychecks. New York Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer is one of those senators who voted to strip the bill of the anti-Obamacare provision. He's the third ranking Democrat in the Senate and he joins me here outside the Capitol. Senator, thanks so much for being here.
[Sen. Charles Schumer , New York:] Good afternoon. Beautiful day.
[Tapper:] It's a nice day. Congressman Tom Price of Georgia was here, Republican. And he said that an overwhelming majority of the Senate earlier this year including you, he didn't say that, I am voted to get rid of the medical device tax
[Schumer:] Yes.
[Tapper:] which the latest provision of the House bill would also do. Why not concede on that one point since it's already a bipartisan majority in the Senate and get rid of this whole thing?
[Schumer:] Well, because of the way it's being done. It's basically extortion. They basically send us a bill and say unless you do what we want, we're going to shut down the government. Now, if we did it here on medical device tax or anything, then when we got to debt ceiling, these hard right wing people would say, "See, by holding out, we got what we wanted, let's move it up." And then when we got to funding the government for a full year in November, they would do it again. You cannot govern with a gun to your head. You cannot govern when somebody says, "I am going to hurt more than 800,000, millions of innocent people unless you do it exactly my way." And so, the whatever they send us is not the point. The point is there's a time and place to debate things. I'd love to debate the medical device tax. I think it should be changed.
[Tapper:] Right, you voted to repeal it.
[Schumer:] But not to say, not to send it over and say unless you do what we want, because it had other things in that bill, too
[Tapper:] Right.
[Schumer:] such as delaying Obamacare, change in contraceptive laws which we debated unless you do what we want, we are going to shut down the government, or not raise the debt ceiling. I have never seen anything like this. You know, Jake
[Tapper:] It has happened before.
[Schumer:] No. No. Let's
[Tapper:] Government shutdowns have happened before.
[Schumer:] But they never shut down where one side said unless I get my way, I'm going to shut down the government. There have been a bunch of them where they were debating an extraneous issue. Abortion was one. They couldn't come to an agreement. They ran out of time so a day later, the government but it wasn't saying unless you vote my way on abortion, unless you make for each side could do it unless you make abortion legal, I'll shut down the government, fully legal. Unless you make abortion illegal, I'll shut down the government. That is what's happening here. It would be as if President Bush was president when we had the big crisis
[Tapper:] Right.
[Schumer:] with Lehman brothers and AIG. Nancy Pelosi could have come to President Bush of the opposite party and done just what Boehner is doing, unless you get rid of your signature issue, the Bush tax cuts, I'm not doing TARP and I'll let the nation suffer. She didn't. We didn't. We voted for TARP because America needed it. It's the same exact analogy now. You don't say it's extortion.
[Tapper:] So, let me ask you a question. A lot of people, especially veterans I know are asking how come you and Tom Price, members of Congress, how come you guys continue to be paid? How come you guys continue as essential personnel?
[Schumer:] Well, look, the issue you know, the issue of what's constitutional is set by the Constitution but the issue is not us. The issue is a million people who have to feed their children, who have to feed, they're innocent.
[Tapper:] OK.
[Schumer:] Why does Tom Price and the people like him say, "I am not going to feed you, I am not going to give you a paycheck, unless Congress and the president does it my way on Obamacare"?
[Tapper:] Well, what's
[Schumer:] I have never this is not government by democracy.
[Tapper:] That he's
[Schumer:] This is government by bullying. You know, I'm from Brooklyn. You give up you give in to a bully once, they'll ask for more and more and more. I know they feel very strongly Obamacare is terrible. They have debated it before. We can debate it again. They ran on the election saying repeal Obamacare. Not a single Democratic senator they ran against every Democratic senator
[Tapper:] Right.
[Schumer:] on Obamacare, they lost the election. Now they have a bludgeon.
[Tapper:] But, Senator, first of all, I should point out that there is breaking news that President Obama is going to come out to the briefing room at 4:45 to talk presumably about this. We'll be obviously be covering that live. Senator, obviously there have been issues with Obamacare. You had the White House itself delaying the employer mandate for businesses.
[Schumer:] That is yes.
[Tapper:] Right?
[Schumer:] Right.
[Tapper:] You have, there are questions about the exchanges.
[Schumer:] There are issues
[Tapper:] There are questions about glitches in the technology.
[Schumer:] Of course. There are issues.
[Tapper:] So, what is what is theoretical wrong with saying
[Schumer:] The place to debate it you know, we have a budget coming up.
[Tapper:] Right.
[Schumer:] The place to debate it is on that budget. That's a logical place to debate it. It is not to say I will shut down the government or not renew the government's full faith and credit to hurt this country millions of innocent people, unless I get my way. That is the basic point here. You can say they'll send over this. It doesn't matter what they send over. It's the methodology of what they're doing which is which is basically saying, "I have a baseball bat, I'm going to hit you over the head unless you give in my way."
[Tapper:] I want to play some sound.
[Schumer:] And you, it's not even hitting me over the head. It's hitting all those people who need their paychecks to pay their families.
[Tapper:] I want to play some sound from Speaker Boehner talking about the U.S. Senate and get your reaction.
[Schumer:] All right.
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] The Senate decided not to work yesterday. Well, my goodness. If there's such an emergency, where are they? It's time for the Senate to listen to the American people just like the House has listened to the American people and to pass a one-year delay of Obamacare and a permanent repeal of the medical device tax.
[Schumer:] OK, look
[Tapper:] Lots of Republicans have been critical. The Senate hasn't been in session.
[Schumer:] No, but he just is trying what he's trying to do, he's shutting down the government. He knows it. The American people know it. Everyone knows it. And so, he tries to wriggle his way out of it. The bills he sent us were meaningless. In the House right now, is a clean extension of funding the government. Not with Obamacare in it, doesn't make it better, doesn't make it worse, doesn't change it. That is the only way to overcome the shutdown. So, we could be here today, tomorrow, the next day until the House passes that bill which, by the way, the road to it was paved by a majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Twenty-five Republicans voted to allow that bill to go forward in the House and in the Senate, including Mitch McConnell, who I must say is showing a lot more strength and courage than Speaker Boehner, even though McConnell has a primary from the Tea Party. I mean, what is going on in Congressman Boehner's head? He knows shutting down the government is a bad thing.
[Tapper:] We have
[Schumer:] He knows that the right wing is bullying him. Doesn't he know if he gives in to them this time, they'll ask for more and more and more until they depose him?
[Tapper:] I have to take a break.
[Schumer:] All right.
[Tapper:] Thank you very much, Senator Chuck Schumer. Very animated and excited.
[Schumer:] You bet.
[Tapper:] Democrat of New York. Appreciate it.
[Schumer:] Thank you.
[Tapper:] Reminder, we are waiting to hear from President Obama in just a few minutes, at 4:45 p.m. Coming up next, a runaway train collides with another one full of rush hour commuters and now, police are asking how the park train got loose and whether someone intentionally set it in motion. We'll be right back.

[Pauline Chiou:] Welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet. Message to Beijing, the U.S. sends unarmed military planes into China's newly declared air defense zone. Plus, protesters in Thailand try to keep he pressure on the prime minister. Demonstrators target more government buildings. And the fight against human trafficking, why it's become an increasingly high tech struggle. Escalating tensions with an apparent act of defiance by the U.S. following China's declaration of a new air defense identification zone over a large part of the East China Sea. The U.S. and Japan are both criticizing the move. And to underscore that, the U.S. flew two unarmed bombers through the air space, ignoring China's demands that the planes identify themselves and submit flight plans to Chinese authorities. We'll have more on that later, but first why the new zone is stirring up old tensions. CNN's David McKenzie is live in Beijing with more. David, what has China said about the U.S. ignoring this zone and sending those jets over?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, basically China is saying we're watching you. They say that the unilaterally declared air defense identification zone was in place, that it was working. The defense ministry has reached out to us and others here in Beijing saying that they were aware of the planes, that they could identify who owned the planes and they gave pretty detailed accounts of where they went and how long they're in the disputed zones. So, really China is ratcheting up the pressure saying that this is all part of their sovereign right to defend their country. Listen to the ministry of foreign affairs.
[Qin Gang, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman:] China's imposition of the East China Sea air defense identification zone is exercising our legitimate self-defense rights. We have notified relevant countries and relevant issues before making the announcement. We are willing to work together with relevant countries to strengthen communication in order to maintain regional peace, stability and flight safety.
[Mckenzie:] Well, the issue there is that China is saying it can act in its own defense and points out that other countries, like the U.S. have similar zones around its territorial waters, though analysts, Pauline, do say that this is it might be less necessarily about it's own self- defense and more about stamping its authority on the region. Of course, inside this zone are the according to the way Chinese say it the Diaoyu Islands, which it says are part of its territory. That's, of course, disputed. Japan calls them the Senkoku Islands and they say that is their territory. So certainly it could lead to potential dangerous situation here in east Asia.
[Chiou:] Now, David, if it is partly about those Diaoyu Islands, which is what China calls it and Senkoku, which is what Japan calls it are they really that valuable? Because some of these islands are just barren rock.
[Mckenzie:] Well, the islands are barren rock, but there are two things that make these important. One is national pride, of course. Japan and China have a long troubled history and both countries lay claim to those islands for some time. It all kicked off most recently late last year when Japan bought the islands from private owners and said that they would administer them. The U.S. has generally kept out of this issue, though of course the U.S. is a very key military ally to Japan. And it's called China's move unhelpful saying that it potentially could be a dangerous situation. Also, the newly minted U.S. ambassador to Japan, Caroline Kennedy, weighed in on this issue. Let's take a listen.
[Caroline Kennedy, U.s. Ambassador To Japan:] As Winston Churchill said, we arm to parlay. In dangerous times, the United States has always stood for the principle that disputes should be resolved through diplomacy and dialogue. And we are ready to assist this process in every way we can. As Secretary Kerry said last weekend, we hope to see a more collaborative and less confrontational future in the Pacific, unilateral actions like those taken by China with their announcement of an East China Sea air defense identification zone undermines security and constitute an attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea. This only serves to increase tensions in the region.
[Mckenzie:] Well, certainly the U.S., China and Japan probably don't want any kind of military confrontation, but the worry is this could lead to some kind of accidental confrontation. There are already many times that the Japanese scrambled their F-15 jets to the disputed areas to meet Chinese military planes. And now with China laying claim to this area as part of its own defense strategy, certainly the worry is it could lead to some kind of mistake that could pull the three super powers as it were when it comes to economies and the super powers of this region into some kind of issue. So, certainly worrying times in the East China Sea.
[Chiou:] Right. And there are economic repercussions with the three being major trading partners. Now, David, both Japan and the U.S. have their own air defense identification zones. So why are they objecting to China setting up their own?
[Mckenzie:] Well, it's not so much the zone itself that I think is an issue here. Many people do many countries do have these zones, Pauline. The issue here is that Japan and China's zones overlap in this case and that both lay claim to territory which the other says is nothing to do with the other. So really it's more about the diplomacy than about the issue of self-defense. These islands, these rocks in the sea as you describe them, uninhabited kind of specks of land out in the ocean, but the possibility is there for strong natural resources, fine, that puts the economic angle even more directly into play here. But that could be only many years into the future. It's really also about China expanding its military muscle in the region. Xi Jinping, the president here, has certainly taken control of the military, unlike his predecessor did in his early days in office. So it's as much about China also trying to put itself into the world stage from a military standpoint. And though China's military assets at this point cannot match the U.S.-Japan alliance, it is all about this brinkmanship, though again it's a dangerous game indeed.
[Chiou:] OK, David, thank you very much for putting it into perspective from both China's side as well as Japan's side. Well, China's air defense identification zone also covers a South Korean ocean research center on a wreath in the Yellow Sea. Defense officials from both countries are expected to discuss this overlap later on this week, but South Korea's defense ministry spokesman has said the government will fly over the area without informing China. And Australia summoned the Chinese ambassador on Tuesday over this very issue. In a statement foreign minister Julie Bishop said Australia has made clear its opposition to any coercive or unilateral actions to change the status quo in the East China Sea. Now the United States sees this as much more than a territorial dispute between China and Japan. CNN's Barbara Starr joins us now live from Washington to give us the perspective from the U.S. Now Barbara, what exactly is the message the U.S. was sending by flying these B-52s all the way over from its base in Guam?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, Pauline, I think the U.S. military, the U.S. administration was basically saying we're going to do it. You know, you can put your restrictions up there, but we are not going to change the way the United States military operates at any point just because China says so. So that means they flew through the zone, essentially, with these two B-52 bombers, not identifying themselves, not filing a flight plan, not declaring their transponders, none of the measures that China wanted. Look, the reality is everybody knows China can track airplanes and the U.S. military would have tracked the B-52s through radar and kept a very careful watch from a distance to see if China was launching any airplanes to come after them. Everybody watches everybody else out there. So, nobody was really looking for a military confrontation, per se, but this is really message sending on all parts by all parties. The concern, as David McKenzie just said, is that this not get out of control and there not be some kind of incident that nobody wants to see happen Pauline.
[Chiou:] Yeah, and also from the U.S.'s point of view, Barbara, is this more about not just sending a strong message, but really sending a message standing with its ally that it's supporting Japan, or is the U.S. making a broader statement that the Obama administration really is serious about making this pivot to Asia?
[Starr:] Well, I think it's actually probably a bit of both. Japan is one of the U.S.'s closest allies in the Asia-Pacific region. And this clearly was an effort to make sure that China understood that that alliance with Japan, that military alliance remains very strong and unshakable. But there is this so-called Asia pivot by the United State military, more focus on Asia, more focus on the U.S. military presence in that region, for the simple reason that China is trying to extend its military muscle and the U.S. wants to be there to support its Asian allies. As David was talking about, this is the economic powerhouse region. So any military destabilization has real potential economic consequences and that's one of the reasons the U.S. is pressing for stability and a bit of calmness about all of this Pauline.
[Chiou:] OK, great perspective as always. Thank you very much Barbara Starr there live from the Pentagon. Now, if you have questions about the controversial air zone that we've been talking about, we do have some answers on our website. You can also learn more about disputed islands in the East and South China Seas. Most are uninhabited rocks, but the area could be rich in natural gas and also oil. You can find out more at CNN.com. Some news is coming into us from Latvia. The prime minister there Valdis Dombrovskis has resigned, this comes in the wake of that deadly supermarket collapse in the capital of Riga last Thursday. 51 people were killed when the roof of that building caved in. It was the deadliest accident in the country since it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991. You're watching News Stream. And just ahead this hour, angry protesters in Thailand surround more government buildings. We'll have the latest the push to unseat the Thai prime minister. In Syria, the situation is increasingly grave for children. Authorities are now rushing to stop the spread of polio. And a special report from CNN's Freedom Project. We'll tell you how criminals are using technology for human trafficking. Stay with us.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] A high school hallway covered in blood. A student arrested, accused of stabbing 20 of his classmates. This terrifying attack, heroic rescues. We are covering the very latest this morning.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] The search intensifies for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. New clues, new clues leading investigators to one area they believe the vanished jetliner could have crashed. We're live with what's happening this morning.
[Berman:] And happening right now emotional, dramatic, riveting testimony from Oscar Pistorius, withering questions from the prosecution, and as he says it, he is defending for his life. So, can he convince a judge that he didn't mean to kill his girlfriend? We're live with what he's saying this morning. Welcome back, everyone. Good to see you. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It is 32 minutes past the hour this Thursday morning. Authorities in Pennsylvania have charged a 16-year-old student as an adult in a stabbing spree at his high school near Pittsburgh. Alex Hribal is in custody this morning. Twenty students and a security officer at Franklin Regional Senior High School were stabbed or slashed in this attack. Four of them, four of them are in critical condition this morning, and police still don't know why he went on the alleged rampage.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine and John, we have learned that the stabbing suspect, 16-year-old sophomore Alex Hribal, has been charged as an adult on four counts of attempted homicide and 21 counts of aggravated assault. He appeared before a magistrate on Wednesday and was denied bail. His defense attorney spoke and asked for a psychiatric evaluation, saying that he wasn't sure he was competent to stand trial. The district attorney spoke in court, saying that one of the victims was eviscerated, that he's not sure he's going to make it, and that Hribal allegedly walked into the school early Wednesday morning before classes even started, and started stabbing people indiscriminately with two kitchen knives. Here's what some of the witnesses had to say.
[Unidentified Male:] The fire alarm went off. I was walking over towards the exit, and there was blood all over the floor. Thought maybe someone had a nose bleed or something. And someone yelled she got stabbed. Thought it was a normal fire drill. Then I saw people running and screaming and crying, so I thought, oh, something has to be wrong. Then I saw people holding each other's hands, I saw some other people getting cut, just blood everywhere. It was very traumatizing.
[Unidentified Female:] I didn't see any blood and I didn't see the weapon, either, but everyone just started screaming, "Run", and then you heard someone yell, "He has a knife."
[Brown:] The investigation is ongoing. We know the FBI searched Hribal's home. They were able to confiscate his computer. So, they're trying to figure out right now through witnesses, through forensics, why Hribal allegedly went on this stabbing spree early Wednesday morning Christine and John.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Pamela Brown. There are some new details coming out this morning about the 16-year- old suspect, Alex Hribal. Classmates describing him as shy, someone who always kept to himself. It is not clear if he was targeting anyone in this alleged rampage. FBI agents went to his home, they searched his computer. We heard from the teenager's attorney, also his father.
[Harold Hribal, Suspect's Father:] My prayers go out to everyone who was injured today, and I hope they recover as soon as possible.
[Patrick Thomassey, Defense Atorney For Alex Hribal:] He's scared, he's a young kid. I mean, he's 16, looks like he's 12. I mean, he's a very young kid, he's never in trouble. So, this is all new to him. I'm not sure he knows what he did, quite frankly.
[Romans:] Tales of heroism emerging from the horror that engulfed Franklin Regional High School. The stabbing rampage ended when the student suspect was tackled by assistant principal Sam King, who's been described as a great guy, beloved member of the Murrysville community. King wasn't the only hero. There were many, including this student who talked to CNN about helping classmates who had been stabbed.
[Gracey Evans, Student:] I was crying the whole entire time. I was just trying to keep people alive. I was trying to keep the one kid alive that I was applying pressure to. I was telling him to keep talking to me, keep awake, that he needs to stay awake, that the EMTs are going to be here soon and you're going to be fine and everything. I did that the same to my best friend. And, like, when we got to the hospital, my best friend kept asking where I was when he was in the emergency room. And then they went to take me up to see some social workers. And they said to me, you know, what you did was an amazing act of bravery, and you're a true hero. You saved that kid's life.
[Berman:] So many heroes from that school. That Pennsylvania school will remain closed for several days now as investigators comb through that crime scene. It is a crime scene. "The Wall Street Journal" reports that the school with about 1,200 students has had some safety issues. Seventeen incidents were reported during the last school year, most involved fighting or drugs. None of them dealt with assaults on students or weapons. The county's education chief the country's education chief says keeping schools safe must be our top priority.
[Arne Duncan, Education Secretary:] Schools are generally the safest places in communities. And until we as a nation are really willing to take on the larger issue of violence in our broader communities, schools will continue to have some challenges.
[Berman:] Secretary of Education Arne Duncan. Of course, Christine Romans will be talking to him later today about this and so many other important issues. This is not what should be facing our school children.
[Romans:] No.
[Berman:] There are enough issues in education right now, they don't have to be dealing with this.
[Romans:] And this young woman on Anderson last night, you know, these kids, they learn CPR, learn first aid. They don't think they're going to have to use it in their own school hallways.
[Berman:] No. Wish they were learning math. I wish that's what they could pay attention to. Of course, stay tuned throughout the morning for continuing coverage of this story.
[Romans:] All right. They're back out this morning searching for the elusive pings that might be coming from Flight 370's black box on the bottom of the Indian Ocean after the two latest signals were detected. The search area has now been narrowed, shrinking by some 7,000 square miles. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is live for us in Perth, Australia, this morning. Erin, bring us up to speed on what's the latest. We know that they've searched that they've narrowed that search area, but it is still slow going as they listen for more sounds, more acoustic events, as they call them, from these black boxes.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Christine. A short while ago, I spoke to a spokesperson from the British Ministry of Defense, who told me that the HMS Echo, which is a British vessel, is currently on its way to join the Australian vessel, the Ocean Shield. She says it's making its way there because the Ocean Shield currently has the most promising leads in this search. She also said that they've managed to discount those Chinese detections made by the Haixun 1 over the weekend. As for what it's going to be doing, when it gets there, she says that wasn't clear, that the Ocean Shield is currently taking the lead on the search. But it's worth saying that the HMS Echo has sophisticated sound-detecting equipment, but it's also capable of mapping the search floor, I mean, the search floor the sea floor. Officials here in Australia are not commenting on this development in the search at the moment, but not saying whether or not this might signal perhaps a new stage of this search. For all we know, as you say, the Ocean Shield is currently out there, equipped with that American towed pinger locator, scouring the waters, trying to detect more signals from this black box pinger. And Angus Houston, who's the man, the chief coordinator behind this multinational search effort, yesterday saying they were going to do that until they are absolutely certain that the batteries of the black box pinger have expired. They want as much information before they deploy the underwater autonomous vehicle to look for the actual physical wreckage. He also noted that he didn't want any ships in the area of the Ocean Shield, while it was carrying out this very sensitive audio detecting work. So, it's unclear what the HMS Echo will be doing, how close it will be getting to the Ocean Shield when it arrives at its final destination later today, Christine.
[Romans:] And so, we know that these ships and planes have really been looking for any signs of debris, and they have been retrieving things from the ocean, from the surface of the ocean. Has any of that been tied yet to this flight?
[Mclaughlin:] Well, not that we're aware of. It's another search day, day 24. Some 14 aircraft and 13 vessels are out there to the west of where the Ocean Shield is conducting its work, scouring those waters. That area based largely on experts' detections or beliefs in terms of where the debris may have gone, the tides may have taken the debris, if the plane did, in fact, go down in the area that the Ocean Shield is looking. Nothing from that search at the moment, but they're hopeful here. They are looking at a much smaller area at the moment, about a quarter of the size of the original area, which has allowed them to intensify those efforts. But at the moment, as far as we are aware, we see no physical, actual physical signs of the missing plane Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Erin McLaughlin for us with the latest from Perth, Australia, this morning. You can stay tuned throughout the morning for latest developments in the Flight 370 search.
[Berman:] A lot going on this morning, including happening right now, prosecutors just ripping into Oscar Pistorius. Withering questions. Pistorius is on the witness stand trying to explain why he shot and killed his girlfriend, trying to convince a judge he didn't mean to. How's he doing so far? Has the prosecution landed any blows? We'll tell you right after the break.

[Lu Stout:] Now some Palestinians in Jerusalem have a new grievance against Israel. They say a new highway project has literally split their village in half. It is now part of the evidence that Palestinians will turn over to the International Criminal Court accusing Israel of war crimes. Now CNN's Oren Liebermann caught up with one long-time resident whose heart is broken over what's happening.
[Oren Liebermann, Cnn Correspondent:] In the Palestinian village of Beit Safafa, Abu Ali has built a life. Now the city of Jerusalem builds a road You feel it in your heart? "It hurts in the heart," he says, "in the blood." Now 86 years old, Abu Ali stares out upon a place he no longer recognizes. He says construction of the Begin highway extension split his village in half without helping anyone in Beit Safafa. "It was more beautiful than Tel Aviv, the most beautiful on Earth," Abu Ali says. "They destroyed it. They want to separate us because they don't want Arabs." Israel says the highway extension has been planned for years, and that it'll cut down on traffic jams and commute times around Jerusalem. Construction of the road here in Beit Safafa was approved by the Israeli supreme court last year over the objections of the village. That's exactly the point here, Palestinians say they're not treated fairly in the Israeli court system. As they see it, their only option is to go to the ICC. Beit Safafa is part of the evidence that Palestinian leadership will turn over to the ICC, the International Criminal Court, which is looking into what's happening in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. The evidence covers settlements, treatment of prisoners and the Israeli military.
[Mustafa Barghouti, Plo Central Council:] Our goal is to hold those responsible for war crimes accountable and not to let them get away with their crimes. Our goal is to guarantee that war crimes will not be repeated.
[Liebermann:] Israel has objected to the Palestinian Authority joining the ICC, so has the United States, saying the process could disrupt potential peace talks. Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon says the decision of the Palestinians to join the ICC as an attempt to move processes against Israel is political, cynical and hypocritical. The government of the PA that is unison with the murderous Hamas organization that carries our war crimes like those carried by ISIS is the last one that can threaten to present a case to the ICC in The Hague. The first Palestinian ICC case seems worlds away to Abu Ali who worries less about what will happen in court and more about what's happening now in his hometown. "They didn't leave us anything the school, the cemetery, the mosque. How will the kids go to school afterwards? There will be no street," Abu Ali says. "They divided the village." ICC court cases can take years at which point Abu Ali says there may not be a village here to worry about. Oren Liebermann, CNN, Beit Safafa.
[Lu Stout:] Now the stakes couldn't be higher for Greece. Wednesday's stalemate a clear illustration of pushback from its EuroZone lenders after last night's talks failed to deliver a deal, Greece accused its creditors of blackmail. Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras took to Twitter to voice his frustration saying, quote, "the repeated rejection of equivalent measures by certain institutions never occurred before neither in Ireland nor Portugal. Now this odd stance seems to indicate that either there was no interest in an agreement, or that special interests are being backed." Let's get the view on these 11th Hour negotiations from the Greece capital. Journalist Elinda Labropoulou is monitoring talks from Athens. And she joins us now. And Elinda, the Greek debt crisis, it is building up to a showdown. Where does it stand right now?
[Elinda Labroupoulou, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, at the moment from what understand at the Eurogroup there are two separate proposals, one from the Greek side and one from the creditor's side. But both of these documents have been leaked to the press, so there doesn't seem to be as much of a difference in the two. And yet enough of a difference for the two to submit separate proposals. This, of course, again throws everything up in the air, because quite sure what can be agreed today ahead of an EU summit later today, which was the a time that we were expecting we would have probably a final agreement on this, because as we all know, time is running out. Greece's bailout ends at the end of the month, and Greece has no access to the markets or any other form of funding. And at the same time, it has to make a payment to the IMF. So, just this morning you have to understand in Athens it's been a very tense time with all kinds of conflicting reports coming in, the stock market jumping up and down, all European markets especially being affected every time that we had anything coming out of the meetings. And of course all this is putting the Greek prime minister in a very difficult, some say impossible position, because if there is some kind of an agreement where Greece does not seem to be one of the main partners, one of the main people behind it. And then he brings this back to Greece in order for this to be ratified in parliament before anything else can go ahead. It will be very difficult to see it voted in. So, between now and the end of the month, what we have is a lot of very fast developments and what the very serious developments for Greece and Europe. You know, fast developments, but also just so many uncertainties. Uncertainties over the pace of talks in Brussels, uncertainty of if there is a deal if it can be sold to the Greek parliament. And also, Elinda, assuming that everyone is on board the creditors, Greece, Greek parliament, if there is a new deal, how long would it last? And when would Greece need a new funding plan?
[Labropoulou:] Well, one of the key issues that Greece, with the support of the IMF, has been pushing for is for the issue of debt sustainability, and debt relief in particular, to be addressed. This is something that for the Europeans being considerably less willing to discuss at this point. But this is really the key issue. It's been the key issue for months, because unless there's a long-term plan, and there's a plan for growth, it will be very difficult not to end up in the same position very soon again.
[Lu Stout:] The issue of debt relief very, very critical for Greece. And if a deal between Greece and the EU can not be worked out in the next few days, what will happen?
[Labropoulou:] Well, then, we're looking at a possible default at least to the IMF from the Greek side. There have been all kinds of fears that this could lead to a potential Grexit. So an exit for Greece from the EuroZone. Some take this even a step further saying that this could even lead to Greece leaving the European Union. But, after looking at something that's unprecedented no, this is not there's no provision for this in any of the EuroZone agreements. It was always going to be a union where somebody cannot leave. We're looking at a new territory and it will all depend on even if we have a Greek default, what this default would entail, what the technical details would be to see where that would lead next. But, really, this is very new territory. So it's not quite clear what the repercussions would be.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, to avoid a messy default and its repercussions it is indeed crunch time for Greece and the EU. Elinda Labroupoulou reporting live for us from Athens. Thank you for that. Now, former dictator from Panama Manuel Noriega is apologizing from prison. Now in a televised statement, he asked for forgiveness for the country's past military rule. Noriega has been in prison for 26 years. He still faces several charges of human rights abuses stemming from his six year rule. The 81-year-old Noriega said that he wanted to bring closure to the military era.
[Manuel Noriega, Frm. Dictator Of Panama:] I'm asking for forgiveness from everyone who feels offended, affected, wronged or humiliated by my actions or those of my superiors in compliance with orders, or those of my subordinates in the same state, and in the time of the responsibility of my government, civil, and military.
[Anderson:] Now, after the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989, Noriega was convicted of drug trafficking charges in the U.S. He served time there and in France before being jailed in Panama. And that is News Stream. I'm Kristie Lu Stout, but don't go anywhere, World Sport with Amanda Davies is next. END

[Baldwin:] Arguably, modern history's most famous intern is now on Twitter and on a mission. Monica Lewinsky wants to fight cyber bullying. She's really taking this on becoming an advocate. She explained why during the speech at the "Forbes" 30 Under 30 Summit in Philadelphia Monday.
[Monica Lewinsky, Former White House Intern:] I was patient zero. The first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the internet. There was no Facebook, Twitter or Instagram back then, but there were gossips, news, and entertainment websites replete with comment sections and e-mails could be forwarded. Staring at the computer screen, I spent the day shouting, "My God, and I can't believe they put that in," or "that's so out of context." And those were the only thoughts that interrupted a relentless mantra in my head, "I want to die." When I ask myself how best to describe how the last 16 years has felt, I always come back to that word, shame. My own personal shame, shame that befell my family, and shame that befell my country.
[Baldwin:] With me now, CNN national political reporter, Peter Hamby. I have to say, I 100 percent commend her for taking on becoming an advocate when it comes to cyberbullying. But then there's that little voice in me, Peter Hamby, that wonders, yes, she pinned that "Vanity Fair" piece earlier this year. It generated a lot of buzz, but for the most part she's, you know, stayed out of the public eye. Do you read anything into her appearance why now?
[Peter Hamby, Cnn National Political Reporter:] Why now? Hillary Clinton might run for president. That's not the reason she's doing this. I think she is absolutely sincere.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Hamby:] The main reason the main thing that surprises me about this is why it took so long for Monica Lewinsky to reemerge in the public spotlight. There's something in the character of American public life that allows for rehabilitation, that allows for forgiveness. It's genuinely shocking to me that someone who is actually very sympathetic figure with a story to tell who, as the speech shows is actually very smart, very poised, you know, she gave a moving speech. She could've done this a long time ago. But back to your question a little bit, which is I think I don't think she's reemerging as any kind of antagonist to the Clintons. But the fact that the Clintons are in the bloodstream now, we're talking about them in the media because Hillary Clinton might run for president again. Sort of gives her a little bit of a platform to get back into the public conversation. In other words, if Hillary Clinton wasn't running for president, if Bill Clinton was a former president and they were sort of out of public life, I don't care I don't think we'd care that much about Monica Lewinsky. But the Clintons, sort of news gives her a little bit of platform to talk about cyber bullying.
[Baldwin:] OK, you know, it's that patient zero sound bite that people kept hearing over and over and over. But if you stay with the speech, she speaks a little bit more about that time when she was fresh out of college and about a certain love. Take a listen.
[Lewinsky:] Sixteen years ago, fresh out of college, a 22-year-old intern in the White House, and more than averagely romantic, I fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of way. It happened. But my boss was the president of the United States. That probably happens less often.
[Baldwin:] She even had to retell that story because people in the audience may actually the younger years may not be familiar with that.
[Hamby:] Right.
[Baldwin:] But the real question I had is when she mentions, you know, in love with my boss. Did we, America, know had the "l" bomb been dropped before, Peter Hamby?
[Hamby:] I mean, not to my knowledge. She did say she was sort of head over heels for Bill Clinton in that "Vanity Fair" piece that she referenced earlier in the segment that came out back in May. This is again why, there's nothing sinister about what she's doing now. The sort of people, you know, on Twitter talking about, this is awkward. What's she up to? Does she have an ulterior motive? It's obviously something the Clintons don't necessarily want to talk about. But, again, I think she's genuinely out there talking about cyber bullying. She has said Bill Clinton took advantage of me. She said that in the "Vanity Fair" interview, but she said it was consensual and doesn't necessarily bear any ill will. And when she talked about Hillary Clinton in that "Vanity Fair" piece, you know, she said she clearly felt bad for what happened when talking about Hillary Clinton. So the "l" word was certainly intriguing there, but I'm not sure
[Baldwin:] I thought it was. OK, Peter Hamby, thank you very much, my friend. Appreciate it from Washington today. Coming up next, an interview you have to see. Quote, "Mr. President, don't touch my girlfriend." Those words from a man in Chicago whose lady love voted alongside President Obama. See how the president responds and we'll speak live with the couple. All smiles I see there today in Chicago. They're joining me next.

[Richard Quest:] A topsy-turvy day. The Dow was heavily down, then it rallied back up again. And when the gavel is hit by "The New York Times," we're essentially flat
[Quest:] on Tuesday, it's the 20th of January. Tonight, we're in the snow, and the growth is slow. The IMF revises down economic growth. Also, income inequality, it is staggering. We'll be talking about that this evening. Live from the World Economic Forum, I'm Richard Quest, and of course, I mean business. Good evening tonight from Davos. The stage is set. The World Economic Forum has begun, and it started with all the grandeur and gravitas that only Davos and WEF knows how to produce. Ah! That's one of the best openings of the forum I've ever seen, Andrea Bocelli, the singer there. With that, the WEF is open for business. "Nessun Dorma," None Shall Sleep. And on this program tonight, we will not rest until we've brought you the leaders that you need to hear from. We've got them on every key theme of this year's forum. For instance, concern over growth as the IMF downgrades its forecasts. In a moment, you're going to hear from the deputy managing director of the IMF. Fears over falling prices of oil. We'll be live with the head of the UAE's Crescent Petroleum. The question of leadership, with the heads of PWC and IHG that's Intercontinental Hotels. And underpinning all this growth, grotesque income inequality. We'll be live with the head of Oxfam and the head if UNI, U-N-I, the global trade union. Now, if that doesn't give you the full Davos agenda, you're watching the wrong program. First, the new warnings about the health of the global economy. The IMF has cut its growth forecast to 3.5 percent for the year. There's a sharp divide. The US is pulling ahead, the vast majority of countries falling behind. The IMF says to boost the economy for falling oil prices, there's a host of risks. These are the risks. Volatility in the financial markets. Just look at what you've seen today, the Dow sharply down, then back up. The Swiss central bank decision to set the franc free sent investors running for safety. Emerging economies relying on oil exporting and hurting. In Nigeria, the naira hit a new low. And in Europe, weak investment is keeping the economy in a slump. The IMF says the ECB needs to go big on stimulus to meet investors' expectations. The IMF's warning came as China's growth slowed down. Min Zhu is the IMF's deputy managing director and former deputy governor of the Bank of China. I asked him why this oil price, down 50 percent, wasn't enough to spur growth.
[Min Zhu, Deputy Managing Director, International Monetary Fund:] I think oil called down growth, because of both from the supply side and the demand side. From the supply side, it's really you don't have macro policy side, you don't have a fiscal space, you don't have monetary policy space to further to support the growth. On the supply side, really the key issue is investment is so low. I'll give you one number. You compare today with 2017 2007, in Europe, the investments are 5 percent of GDP lower. Even in the US, investments are roughly 2 percentage points lower.
[Quest:] Is this downgrade worrying?
[Min:] It is a worry. We're worrying, in particular, corporate sectors, and people set a lower expectation for future growth, which were transformed into the even lower growth.
[Quest:] Has a cycle begun that's going to be very difficult to stop?
[Min:] It's very unclear. We don't have very much demand-side space. We don't have a demand policy. So we need to move into the supply side to break the cycle. I think this is absolutely important.
[Quest:] The supply side, of course, governments are central banks are printing as much money as they possibly can. You've got higher interest rates coming along. You've got the ECB, perhaps this week. So, the supply side's doing quite as much as can be done.
[Min:] No, the demand side has tried in the past. As you say, the central banks printing the money.
[Quest:] Right.
[Min:] And the fiscal policy is very much in neutral now.
[Quest:] Yes.
[Min:] Instead of cutting a few years ago, they tried to maintain space. But the growth today is really from the productivity from the supply side, from the investment side. From structural reform to make, for example, the labor market more flexible. From the productivity increase in service, in product market. I think those are the key areas.
[Quest:] China's numbers. China's numbers today. They were better than expected, they were worse than they should be.
[Min:] Well, several points. First, it's not too bad. I think it is lower growth for good reason. We forecast China's growth this year to be even lower to 6.8. And it's for good reason, because China needs an internal rebalancing, which means reducing investments and do the structural change, push up the service sector. In the process, growth will slow.
[Quest:] So, the IMF is not concerned at this slowdown in China, and believes its manageable?
[Min:] We think it's for good reason. We think a slowdown is good news if China pushes the growth into the high-level, whereas the big stimulus policies were a concern.
[Quest:] The deputy managing director of the IMF. And later this week, putting it crudely, you're going to hear from his boss. Christine Lagarde, the MD of the IMF, will be on this program on Friday to wrap up our week- long coverage from the World Economic Forum. Joining me now is Gillian Tett, who we're always delighted to have, the US managing editor at the "Financial Times." Lovely to see you.
[Gillian Tett, Us Managing Editor, "financial Times":] Great to be on the show. And hey, you're surviving the cold weather.
[Quest:] Well you haven't got a coat. I should have taken my coat off.
[Tett:] I've run to be here with you, Richard, so there you go.
[Quest:] I'm blushing. Gillian, look. The IMF's downgraded growth today.
[Tett:] Yes.
[Quest:] Just a tad, and it's expected. But it says that oil prices cannot the falling oil is outweighed by these adverse reasons. What's going wrong?
[Tett:] Well, what's going wrong is not so much the fact there's growth or not. It's the composition of growth. And that's what's really worrying here in Davos, which is ironic, because we're here at the play central of the elite, if you like. But they're increasingly reason there's growing fracture across the landscape. In Europe, you'll see increasing political polarization. In America, you're seeing increasing complaints about the way that growth is distributed. The rich are taking more of the gains than the poor. And that's really weighing on sentiment here.
[Quest:] So, in that environment, do people expect things to go really, seriously wrong? I know we had the SNB last week with the Swiss franc, and we've had Denmark, and of course, Norway and Sweden will follow on. We've got to are people really thinking people could turn overturn again?
[Tett:] Well, you have to look on the bright side. This is not 2009, where people were panicking about a global meltdown and financial crisis. There is a sense that actually things are growing. And remember, although the IMF downgraded the growth outlook, it's still projecting growth of 3.5 percent or so, which really isn't that bad. The problem, though, is that people don't really see where the growth is going to come from in the future. And of course, you do have a moment of tremendous geopolitical tension. And yes, oil is providing some boost. But it's also hurting the oil producers.
[Quest:] Net-net, it's better for us.
[Tett:] Net-net, it's definitely better. We spend what? $7 trillion a year globally on energy. If that becomes cheaper, net-net, it's better.
[Quest:] We need to talk about the State of the Union tonight. You've going to be up late
[Tett:] Absolutely.
[Quest:] I suspect, listening.
[Tett:] Unfortunately so, yes.
[Quest:] As the US managing editor of the FT. Look, this tax cut that President Obama is planning to pay for by tax increases, let's be honest, he stands no earthly chance of getting it through a Republican Congress.
[Tett:] This is political shadowboxing. It's laying down a marker. But it plays absolutely to the themes that they're talking about in Davos, which is the question of how growth is distributed. And I've just come from a dinner I've run to be here but I've come from dinner where there were a number of CEOs who are really angry about the kind of language that President Obama is using, saying this is just stoking up more class warfare.
[Quest:] But they're top 1 Percent. They're part of the 1 Percent.
[Tett:] Well, that is part of the tension, it's part of the dialogue right now.
[Quest:] Right.
[Tett:] And that's a concern.
[Quest:] Come and join me over at the QUEST MEANS BUSINESS Risk Map.
[Tett:] And guess what? I'm much shorter than you, Richard.
[Quest:] Right. Don't worry about that. Put your dot what's the one Karl Schwab went for three yesterday. What's your one area that you think is the biggest risk? Where are you most concerned in 2015? You can have one.
[Tett:] I can only have one?
[Quest:] Yes.
[Tett:] OK. I would say
[Quest:] Make it two because you're Gillian Tett.
[Tett:] All right. OK, thank you. France. What happens in next in terms of whether or not France can actually get its act together growth- wise
[Quest:] Right.
[Tett:] is going to have crucial implications for the wider eurozone.
[Quest:] All right.
[Tett:] And secondly it's not original, but I think China has to be watched very carefully.
[Quest:] Add it on.
[Tett:] We have data today which came out a lot slower than expected, and there are people wondering about whether China can actually carry on providing the engine of growth.
[Quest:] All right, thank you very much, indeed. China. You get two. Now, see, this is going to be a theme of the week
[Tett:] And I realize, I put a circle, not a dot. That's me being freethinking.
[Quest:] Don't worry you can be freethinking. Many thanks, indeed. Lovely to see you.
[Tett:] Thank you. Good to see you.
[Quest:] You can go back to dessert and coffee now.
[Tett:] I gladly will.
[Quest:] Thank you very much, indeed. Now, European shares climbed on Tuesday on expectations that the ECB may move further and harder than had particularly been thought. As the share prices, as you can see on the Xetra DAX was up just a tenth of a percent, the CAC was up as well by 1.1 percent. Zurich SMI up a third of a percent. US stocks ended almost completely flat following a volatile session. Our digital money correspondent from CNN Money, Paul La Monica, joins me now. Paul, what we've seen is down 140, up some 20, back to just about flat, up 3.6 percent. What drove the market?
[Paul La Monica, Cnn Money Digital Correspondent:] Yes, it was a crazy day. I think a lot of it had to do with earnings, as you point out. We were in the red most of the day, eked out some gains there. Johnson & Johnson, big Dow component, the strong dollar is hurting their revenue, and I think that's going to be a theme that we're going to see with a lot of companies this earning season. But then you have things like cheaper oil, that's helping a lot of companies, too. Delta surging on really strong results, and their CEO said they can save more than $2 billion this year because of lower fuel costs. So, you have that kind of war going on right now, where some multinational companies are hurting. Others loving the cheaper oil prices.
[Quest:] All right, Paul. I'm going to let you have one place on the map. Where is your big risk premium for 2015? Where are you most worried? I will put it on the map for you.
[La Monica:] Thank you
[Quest:] What country or what
[La Monica:] that's very gracious of you.
[Quest:] Go on.
[La Monica:] Again, it's not being original, but I think it has to be China. A prolonged slowdown in China is bad news for Europe, and by extension, the US. I hope
[Quest:] All right.
[La Monica:] people are talking about decoupling being a myth in Davos.
[Quest:] Paul, we'll you're on the map, now. Many thanks, indeed. Paul La Monica joining us for that. When we come back in just a moment, the executive director of Oxfam, who is with me you are with me. Thank goodness. Anyway, Winnie is here. She's going to talk about inequality, bad for global growth. What she plans to use her influence at the forum to force change. We'll be talking to you after the break.

[Lemon:] Ten search planes are soon to be in the air looking for any physical evidence of missing Malaysian flight, airways Flight 370. Planes scour a section of the Indian Ocean 23 days after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared. Ship crews finally retrieved objects from the search area today after three weeks of looking for possible objects that never materialized. And I want you to look at this, but to be clear no link exists between the objects and the missing airliner. It could just be sea trash. So, let's bring in now, our correspondent Atika Shubert at the Pearce air base in Perth, Australia. Atika, have the planes taken off or are they still waiting to go up into the air?
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, they are preparing to go up in the air and I believe, the schedule is that a 9:00 plane, a Chinese
[Lemon:] And so the objects that we saw that were retrieved, right, they're picking up in the net, how long before they can get that to a place on land where they can examine it?
[Shubert:] Well, they are examining them on the ship right now, and now if they get something that looks like it might be debris from the plane specifically, then they can examine it on the ship, and they'll likely bring it back here to Freemantle, which is the port here in Perth. But the thing is that it is still 1,800 kilometers out to the search site so that means we're looking at at least a day, possibly two before the ships get back here. So it's a long process. It is going to take more time.
[Lemon:] Yes, Atika, we are hearing the weather conditions, and it was sunny this morning a little bit, when Will was there, Will Ripley and he said that the clouds were rolling in, and the weather conditions may deteriorate there today in that search area, and what do you know about the storm as we look at the radar here live. What time will the rain start?
[Shubert:] Well, we don't know exactly. So far, what's been happening is the mornings start relatively clear, but then the weather starts to deteriorate, but what we understand from the Australian coordinating team is that even if the weather gets worse today, they are going to try and press ahead with the search. And when is spoke to one oceanographer who said basically, this is the way it's going to be for the next two to three months, because it is autumn now here in Australia. It's getting into winter, and the weather is just going to get worse and worse and at some point it's going to mean that ships and planes are simply not going to be able to handle the weather conditions out there which is why it's critical to do as much searching as we can while the weather is still relatively good.
[Lemon:] Atika Shubert, appreciate your reporting. Thank you very much. I want to talk about the objects now. Let's focus on the objects pulled from the Indian Ocean, and how that may affect the air search. Joining me now, aviation analyst and 777 pilot Les Abend, aviation analyst and pilot Miles O'Brien, aviation analyst and former FAA accident investigator Steven Wallace and ocean search specialist Rob McCallum. So Steven, I'm going to start with you. An Australian navy ship set to depart from Perth later today after being fitted with a black box detector and an unmanned underwater vehicle. Do you think that they may have the signal that they have found something promising in the ocean?
[Steven Wallace, Fmr Faa Accident Investigator:] I don't know. I mean, we have all looked at the same photographs of the wreckage, and we can't draw any conclusions here. As far as the conversation that you just had with Atika there, on the ship, they will certainly have people who are capable of making a fairly good judgment about it. They get something that they think is likely to be part of the aircraft, I would assume they would photograph that. I mean this could be as simple as a baggage tag with some identification on it, or a Boeing part number on something.
[Lemon:] Anything. Rob, to you now. You saw the objects retrieved today, and do they look significant to you or just ocean trash or can you tell from the pictures?
[Rob Mccallum, Professional Expedition Leader:] You know, it is really difficult to tell from the pictures that I saw. You know, they certainly could be, but more significant are the photos that were taken from the aircraft, and they show a significant sized parts. So, you know, here is hoping, because we really do need to find something that's linked to that aircraft in order to be able to start thinking about how we would go about searching.
[Lemon:] Miles O'Brien, 10 search planes expected to fly today, but weather is of course getting worse. Rain. How do the search crews maximize the time they have available, and how much rain can searchers handle before calling it a day?
[Miles O'brien, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, these guys will push it as far as they can, but there are limits as far as the ceiling and the visibility, and at a certain point, they are wasting their time out there. And this goes back a little bit to what I've been talking an awful lot about. You know, 10 planes relative to the size of the search zone is just not enough in my view. There should be a much bigger fleet of planes involved in this search, and perhaps an aircraft carrier, the "George Washington" is about away in Japan, and could be there, and the U.S. carrier, but, you know, the aircraft on board there are not optimized for search like a P-8 is which is a land-based aircraft, but there are helicopters, there are E2s, C-2s and it's more eyeballs on the scene. And given what Atika is just saying the weather window is going to close here pretty soon, and it is a huge area, and I fell like a full court press is in order.
[Lemon:] To Les Abend now, the FBI is almost done with the review of the hard drives belonging to the pilot and the co-pilot. U.S. officials telling CNN that nothing is jumping out to them. And it is time to rule out any theories about pilots with nefarious, possibly nefarious motives?
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, we're not going be privy to all of the information, I'm sure, but you know, just by everything that has happened, it is just for me personally gut feeling is that it just does not add up. I mean, I'm looking at a captain that seems professional, that seems to be a family man, that enjoys aviation, enjoys geeky things like showing people how to set up an air conditioning unit, and everything after the last verbal contact seems to the say to me that everything was normal.
[Lemon:] Right. So Miles O'Brien, similar question, you know, we've been looking you have to look at every single possibility, but in some instances, you know, the pilots' names have been dragged through the mud here, but still no evidence that they did anything wrong.
[O'brien:] And you know, they have families, too. Let's not forget that, what a horrible thing to indict the crew without any evidence. It is just you know, listen, they are on the list, and you can't rule it out, and that is just the way that these investigations go, but to take it to the next step and start reading things into, you know, a young man bringing some women into the cockpit, you know, a 27-year- old first officer showing off, you know, or a guy who is interested in flight simulators, and there is nothing in that that tells me there is any shred of guilt that should be obvious there. So this is the worst kind of speculation in my view. And I think that, you know, we just don't know. And these are human beings with families who are suffering right now.
[Lemon:] Yes. Rob, you know, this is everything that adds to sort of helps to put the puzzle together. And sometimes you may be looking at things that are really small, and I think that most people are looking for some big object, and maybe tail or wing or what have you. But I want you to dig into a little bit more about it could be the smallest possible thing, and one of my guests earlier said that it could even be a magazine page from an airplane or something as small as that can be an indication of what happened to this flight.
[Mccallum:] I mean, at this stage, almost anything that links any debris to MH-370 would be valuable. Simply to validate all of the work that is being done by the analysts of the satellite data, and the people who have been reworking the handshakes and the crews of the ships and the aircraft that have been out there looking, we really need to find something in order to validate all of that, and to know that we are in the right place.
[Lemon:] All right. Thank you, guys. Stick around, we're going to talk a little bit more about this, and also we want to talk about the partner of an American businessman who was on flight 370 opens up about her pain, and the connection she still feels to the man she loves.
[Unidentified Female:] Not too many people get that in life. And even if he doesn't come back, that won't change.
[Lemon:] Her very emotional interview just ahead.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] New information on how two killers escaped from prison and where they were headed. Captured inmate David Sweat is talking, opening up to investigators about their plan and what went so wrong.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] U.S. stocks posting their worst day of the year. Europe in crisis, with just hours to figure out how to fix this mess. We are live.
[Romans:] And breaking overnight: the president with a plan to boost paychecks for millions of Americans. We're talking about overtime pay, a big expansion there. This really matters to a lot of workers. Good morning and welcome to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[Berman:] Good to see you. I'm John Berman. It is Tuesday, June 30th, 4:00 a.m. in the East. And happening right now: a prison escapee, he is talking. The one surviving convict who broke out of the maximum security prison is now answering some questions from investigators. Thirty-five-old David Sweat is in a secure unit at the Albany Medical Center being treated for two gunshot wounds suffered during his capture. He has been upgraded from critical to serious condition. And now, Sweat is revealing new details about how he and Richard Matt escaped, their plans to flee with prison employee Joyce Mitchell and how it all went, from their standpoint, horribly wrong. CNN's Alexandra Field has the latest.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine, John, a New York state police sergeant shot David Sweat in this field, just two miles south of the Canadian border. He took two bullets to the torso, but he's already talking to investigators about his plans to cross a d different border. Sweat now tells officials that he and Richard Matt planned to travel with Joyce Mitchell to Mexico. But they had to turn to plan b when she failed to show up with the getaway car the night the convicted killers escaped from that maximum security prison. Sweat is also telling officials that he and Richard Matt separated five days before Matt's death. The older escapee was slowing him down. Sources close to the investigation have told CNN that Richard Matt's body smelled heavily of alcohol after being shot and killed on Friday afternoon. They say they have also found evidence showing that he was suffering from illness, possibly from contaminated food or water Christine, John.
[Berman:] All right. Alexandra, thanks so much. New information revealed by David Sweat might be good news for corrections officer Gene Palmer. Palmer is charged with aiding the escape by passing frozen hamburger meat to the inmates. It turns our there were hacksaw blades hidden inside that meat. The officials now say David Sweat has told investigators that Palmer was not involved in the escape, that he didn't know about the blades in the meat, and that the plot involved only Sweat, Matt and Joyce Mitchell. She was the woman who worked in the tailor shop. Even so, officials believe others may have had a hand in the escape, if only unwittingly.
[Sheriff Kevin Mulverhill, Franklin County, Ny:] For as intelligent as these guys are, breaking out of the maximum security prison, evading police for three weeks, Joyce Mitchell was plan A. I think there's probably going to be others that are implicated, that may or may not know they played a role in this. You know, some small thing that somebody did for them, you know, when you add those all up, it's kind of like building a wall. You know, everybody provided a brick, so to speak, until their plan was complete.
[Berman:] All right. New this morning, in the aftermath of the mess really of the Clinton correctional, the FBI is launching a federal investigation. Agents are probing possible corruption and drug trafficking by prison employees. Officials briefed on the inquiry tell CNN that investigators are looking into whether the escapees were involved with the alleged drug trade and enjoyed greater freedom on the honor block because of that.
[Romans:] All right. European stocks are lower right now. Greece heading for default. After months of negotiations went nowhere, Greece cannot make a $1.7 billion payment to the IMF due today. Greece's existing bailout program officially expires today. Lenders have refused to extend it until after referendum vote on Sunday. Now, the big crisis is posing a threat to the global economy. Fears of contagion, of a ripple effect in Europe, especially in some of these weaker southern European economies. Greece is hurtling toward an exit from the eurozone, a move that is unprecedented. All that uncertainty triggering a selloff yesterday, folks. Stocks in the U.S. had their worst day in years. The worst drop in a couple of years. The Dow right now, U.S. futures are a little bit higher right now. Asian shares are bouncing back a bit from yesterday's losses. But European stocks are lower this morning. The Greek prime minister is urging voters to stand behind him and reject the European bailout proposal at the ballot box. A referendum on the proposal is set for Sunday. The prime minister is hinting that he will resign if the voters decide to accept what he calls an insulting ultimatum from Europe, and the continued austerity that goes with it. European leaders say a no vote will effectively forced Greece out of the euro, something polls show most Greeks do not want. This is a real bind that Greek citizens find themselves in, a real bind and world markets basically held hostage until Greece figures out what it's going to do next. I want to bring in CNN's Isa Soares live in Athens for us. Now, yesterday, when we spoke with you 24 hours ago, the banks were closed, the ATMs were only beginning to start to open. How are Greek citizens feeling this morning, Isa?
[Isa Soares, Cnn International Correspondent:] Pretty much of the same. Very good morning to you, Christine. You know, it's early morning here in Greece. A lot of people already cueing up to get those 60 euro. Pensioners are slightly more confused because they were told they were supposed to get pensions on Monday. They showed up. There was no pension. Then, they were told to come today. Being unable to get money out, I spoke to one lady who tried ten times to get 60 euro from her pension. She was unable to do it and now being told by a government official that the pensions will be open tomorrow for pensions, so pensioners could get their money. But this is, as you said, a critical day for Alexis Tsipras. Global stock markets are falling. European markets are taking a tumble last time I look. Now, it is time for Alexis Tsipras to decide, will he or won't he pay that the 1.6 billion euros, $1.6 billion to the IMF? Already, we have heard late last night from Greek's economy minister who said very, very defiantly on CNN that he will Greece will not pay the IMF. In the same token, we heard from Alexis Tsipras, very defiant on national television last night, basically, you know, how can we pay the IMF when we don't have any money ourselves? He said, his words were economic asphyxia, the country has gone through. But still, he kept saying there will be an olive branch. In the last two hours, a European commission source has told CNN they put they tabled an offer to Greece late last night. We do not know what the offer is. But if we listen to what Tsipras said last night, he's still asking people to vote no against these proposals.
[Romans:] We don't know, Isa, what that offer is, but we do know that there's been talk or speculation that maybe stretching out the lengths of these loans or lowering interest payments or somehow refinancing them. You talk about pensioners, and I think in this country, in particular, it's sort of interesting. One of the problems for Greece here is so many of its citizens retired, you know, in their mid-50s, a retirement age that has been promised to them. And they are paid by the government. They get government money that goes at this point is coming right from the ECB, the European Central Bank, and going right into the pocket of pensioners. Part of their austerity would mean people taking less money, they already have been, and working longer and paying higher taxes. And that's something that just doesn't fly with the Greek citizens.
[Soares:] Absolutely, it just doesn't fly. What they want Europeans are asking for is to raise the retirement age. We heard from the European commissioner, he said we're not asking for more pension cuts, that's what he said. All cuts to wages, this is what he said in the last proposal. But they want the retirement age to increase. People retiring roughly at 50 or so. But they have also started much earlier, working earlier in agriculture. I met a gentleman who started working when he was 16. So, a lot of them they say to me, there is a cultural difference. When you think of the rest of the Europe, the periphery countries, those who have been bailed out, those made these austerity cuts, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, said if we can make it, if we have to our, you know, retirement age, surely Greece also has to do it Christine.
[Romans:] And that's what you hear from the European officials, too. They have seen bailout programs for some of these other Southern European countries have taken their medicine. Greece has not and fighting to the bitter end. OK. Isa, we will talk very, very soon. Keep us posted as we watch as that deadline approaches. Greece isn't the only place facing the huge death crisis this morning. Officials in Puerto Rico, they say there is no way the U.S. commonwealth can repay the $73 billion it owes. The government run energy company, PREPA, has a debt repayment due on Wednesday. It is likely going to default on that debt payment. The island's governor asking Congress for authority to declare chapter 9 bankruptcy the way Detroit did when it went belly up. One of the biggest financial issues of the next decade, John Berman, will be too many promises and too much debt and not being able to deliver on those promises around the world.
[Berman:] He says it is not a problem with politics, he says it's a problem with math in Puerto Rico. There's not a money there to pay for it.
[Romans:] A death spiral, he said, that country is in financial
[Berman:] At ten minutes after the hour right now. President Obama set to announce a major move that the White House says will boost salaries for millions of Americans. He will launch changes to overtime rules, more than doubling the minimum salary level to qualify for overtime pay. The threshold is now $23,000 a year. It will rise to about $50,000. If you earn less than $50,000, once the rules in effect next year, you will get overtime if you work more than 40 hours.
[Romans:] This is a very, very big deal. All right. NBC Universal is cutting ties with Donald Trump, citing derogatory statements during his presidential campaign kickoff announcement. It was Trump referred to Mexican immigrants, some of them as rapist, drug dealers and criminals. The company will no longer air the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants, which had been a joint Trump joint venture with Trump and the company will explore ways to continue "Celebrity Apprentice" without him. Trump fired back, calling NBC weak and standing by his comments.
[Donald Trump , Presidential Candidate:] I have a great relationship with Mexico. How can I not love people that give me tens of millions of dollars for apartments? You have to love them. My stance on immigration is correct. And some people may not think so, but ultimately, my stance is correct.
[Romans:] That stance, just to refresh your memory, I mean, it was just a couple of weeks ago, where he said we must close the borders. A country cannot be a country unless you close the borders to and he said Mexico is sending in
[Berman:] Criminals and rapists.
[Romans:] criminals and rapists. It was very, very pointed. We will pull up that sound, we can play it again. Today, Trump will be back in New Hampshire where a CNN poll places him second among the Republican presidential candidates.
[Berman:] I'm going to continue to not watch Miss University. A big announcement today on the Republican side. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie set to officially enter the race. After teasing the U.S. with a campaign video and the slogan, telling it like it is, he will make the announcement this morning in his hometown high school in Livingston, New Jersey. Christie will then head to New Hampshire, pretty much stay there for the rest of the week. He's got a New Hampshire or bust strategy going forward.
[Romans:] All right. The State Department plans to release a new set of e-mails today from Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state. Officials are not saying how many will be released. The first round of 300 were made public last month, offering a glimpse of her handling of the Benghazi attacks. Clinton turned over roughly 30,000 e-mails from her private server which she used almost exclusively to conduct both private and government business when she was secretary of state.
[Berman:] At 12 minutes after the hour, July 4th terror threat. The White House on record that new fears that ISIS could attack.
[Romans:] Plus, new arrests in an ISIS-inspired hotel massacre. We are live with new information on that this morning.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] And touchy topic. "SNL" taking on the draw Muhammad controversy. Did it cross the line? Let's talk. Live in the CNN NEWSROOM. And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. Heartbreak in a small southern town. Hattiesburg, Mississippi, coming together today to remember two police officers gunned down over the weekend. That memorial service set for this afternoon. Also today court appearances for the accused cop killers and two others accused of helping them afterwards.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Curtis, did you do it?
[Unidentified Male:] No, sir, I didn't do it. No, sir, I didn't do it.
[Costello:] Obviously that's one of the suspects. One of the victims, Officer Benjamin Deen, 34 years old, the father of two children. Just a few years ago the department honored him as Officer of the Year. The other slain officer, a rookie. Liquori Tate was living his life- long dream as a police officer. This morning we heard from his mother on "NEW DAY."
[Youlander Ross, Mother Of Officer Liquor Tate:] He always wanted to be a police officer since he was young. Playing with police cars and having Xbox games, and just having a protective spirit. That has always been one of his dreams.
[Costello:] I want to take you live to Hattiesburg now and CNN's Alina Machado. Good morning.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Those four suspects are expected to go before a judge this afternoon. They are facing a long list of charges connected to that shooting that left those two police officers dead. Now I want to show you the pictures of the suspects. Two of them are charged with two counts of capital murder. 22-year-old Joanie Calloway is one. The other is 29-year-old Marvin Banks. He is also charged with grand theft auto. Police believe that he took one of the police vehicles as a getaway car. His younger brother, Curtis Banks, is also facing two counts of accessory after the fact of capital murder and the fourth suspects, Cornelius Clark, is charged with obstruction of justice. Now at this point police here have not released many details in terms of what led to the actual shooting. What we know is that Officer Deen conducted the initial stop. It was a traffic stop. He called for backup. And that's when Officer Tate responded. What happened next in those moments right before the shooting we don't know but we definitely know that these two officers, their lives tragically lost in those moments. Also today, we know that there's going to be a memorial service this afternoon to honor the lives of those two fallen officers Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Alina Machado, reporting live for us this morning. Thank you. The murder of police officers will shake any community to its core but the heartbreak may be even more gut-wrenching in a small town like Hattiesburg. Listen to the family of Liquori Tate describe the extraordinary compassion shown to them when they arrived at the hospital and found out their officer child had not survived.
[Bernell Lonnie Ross, Stepfather Of Officer Liquor Tate:] They took us in a room and when we got the news of course we fell out in grief. And it was amazing the police officers as well as staff and the mayor, they fell out with us in grief and grieved with us. It was really very emotional. We walked through and saw the family of the other officer whose life was taken as well and we knew that this was just something much more serious than we we imagined before we walked into the hospital.
[Costello:] Joining me now on the phone is Johnny Dupree, the Hattiesburg mayor who grieved with the family at the hospital. Welcome, Mr. Mayor.
[Mayor Johnny Dupree , Hattiesburg, Mississippi:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] Tell me what it was like in those moments at the hospital where you shared grief with the family.
[Dupree:] It was the most difficult thing I think I've ever done. Not only doing it once but having to do it twice. They are fabulous families. Both families. You know, stronger than I thought that any family could be during this time when even though they knew that their loved ones were going out to protect and to serve people they don't even know. They're resilient. Today you can call and they can talk you talk to Reverend Ross and I just heard him on the radio and it's the first time I've heard him speak about that night and how strong this family is and what kind of faith they have to be able to talk at this time.
[Costello:] Mayor, do police know why these suspects allegedly opened fire on these officers?
[Dupree:] Well, certainly, Carol, you know, we continue our investigation and the Department of Investigation along with other agencies are continuing that investigation. And, you know, we want to make sure that when we prosecute these individuals that we have a strong case and we have one that's not tainted by information getting out that should not be getting out. And so based on all that, Carol, we know I can only tell you so much and that's not one of the things that I can divulge. But we do know that there was a reason why Officer Deen called for backup and I'm sure all of that will be will come out at a time when we know that it will be used put to good use.
[Costello:] Was there dash cam video?
[Dupree:] Carol, I will again tell you that, you know, we're technology savvy here in Hattiesburg, even though we're not a really large city. But the kinds of things that I can share with you, in the end our Mississippi Bureau of Investigation has not allowed me to share much more than what we've already shared now. But I promise you, you know, at 3:00 today these individuals will be arraigned and maybe some of these things, some of the questions that you are asking may come out during that time. But as you see, we have we have three suspects, I mean, within hours we had three suspects in hand, and many people thought that that was over but because we were diligent in our investigation and making sure the crime scene was pristine and make sure that we evaluated all the evidence, we were able to come up with a fourth individual. We want to make sure we get everybody involved, want to make sure that we don't taint this investigation and make sure that when we bring them to justice that justice will be served.
[Costello:] Mayor, some say it's open season on police officers right now because of the climate in the country. Do you agree?
[Dupree:] Well, you know, we don't see that in Hattiesburg. You know, I hear that and I get that question, I've gotten that question I don't know how many times. And I try to share with people that I believe that the vast majority of police officers in cities are just like Hattiesburg, Mississippi. I have to believe that. And I believe that we have a fabulous city here. We have a great relationship. I wish that we were perfect. We are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but we strive every day in the community of policing and we strive every day to make sure that citizens know that they count and not only they count but police officers count as well. I believe the vast majority of the cities of our great nation are like Hattiesburg, Mississippi, and that what we see are those things that happen that are out of the ordinary. I just have to believe that.
[Costello:] Mayor Johnny Dupree, thank you so much. I appreciate you being with me this morning.
[Dupree:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] Turn our attention now to Madison, Wisconsin, where the district is planning to release the findings from a more than two- month long investigation into the fatal shooting of an unarmed teenager Tony Robinson. Rosa Flores has been following the story. The interesting thing about this is authorities in Madison came out with a two-day warning that get ready, Madison, because we're going to make this announcement and we want everybody, like, to chill.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. And the other thing, Carol, is that if you think of the day that it was yesterday. It's Mother's Day. So the mother of Tony Robinson received a phone call from authorities on Mother's Day. This is the first Mother's Day after her son was shot and killed by a police officer, letting her know that the 48-hour notice had been out and that authorities would announce on Tuesday whether or not the police officer, Matt Kenny, would be charged or not. So this was heartbreaking for this mother because she was surrounded by her living children when this phone call came through and they were trying to ease her into Mother's Day because of what has happened to this family. And here's what the spokesperson said happened when she received that phone call.
[Jerome Flowers, Family Spokesperson:] Getting this call right as you're receiving gifts from your other children and seeing your other children then be frustrated with the fact that they're now going to have to take a backseat again and they couldn't just enjoy their mom for this day.
[Flores:] So the mom described it as a bit cruel to do that to anybody. They are hoping for justice, of course. And they say that that would come in the form of whether Officer Matt Kenny is charged or not or something else happened, the department makes some sort of change. But from the get-go they said they have said that they will accept whatever the D.A. comes up with Carol.
[Costello:] Rosa Flores, thanks so much. I appreciate it. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, the death toll rising in the latest round of severe storms.
[Unidentified Male:] I see it. It's going to go right over the
[Costello:] Tornadoes tear through the nation's heartlands and the threat isn't over yet. We'll talk about that next.

[Lemon:] For those of us that work in television I'm sure you do as well this is something we dream about, going into work and telling your boss you quit. Well, that's exactly but not like this. An Alaska TV reporter did that last night on the 10:00 news, and her performance is definitely one, I wouldn't say for blooper reel, but one for memory. Take a look.
[Green:] Everything you heard, as the actual owner of the Alaskan Cannabis Club, will donate my energy to fighting for freedom and fairness, which begins with legalizing marijuana. And as for this job, well, not that I have a choice, but
[Unidentified News Anchor:] All right, we apologize for that. We'll be right back.
[Lemon:] I felt worse actually for the anchor. The stunt stunned her colleagues and sent social media sites into overdrive. The station immediately issued a statement on its Facebook page saying, "We apologize for inappropriate language used by the KTVA reporter during her live presentation on air tonight. The employee has been terminated." Here with me to talk about that is CNN's media correspondent and "Reliable Sources" Brian Stelter. Obviously, unprofessional that she did that. Naturally, there's a behind-the-scenes story. She did this on purpose. She was going to quit any way and wanted to draw attention.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Host, Reliable Sources & Senior Media Correspondent:] The statement says she was terminated but we saw her quit on air. You would never do that, would you, Don?
[Lemon:] No. No. I'm not that kind of person. Why would you burn a bridge like that?
[Stelter:] Not only burn the bridge but, to me, it's the curse word that's the biggest problem. She could have gracefully quit. There would have been a controversy. But it becomes offensive the way she did it to viewers, who otherwise might have been persuaded to join her club. This is interesting. We see people moving from media to politics and politics to media from time to time. It sounds like that's what she's doing. She wants to get politically active and get marijuana legal in Alaska. But to do it the way she did, it was offensive and unethical. She was covering something she was part of until disclosing something until the very end in a way that was offensive.
[Lemon:] She wanted attention. She's talking about is this legal marijuana. She's talking about medical marijuana? Do you know?
[Stelter:] She's talking about reform in the state, legalization of the drug, in the way that many other states have already done. We'll see this continuing progression. The media is part of this progression. You see a reality show is now about pot. You see a lot more news coverage about pot. Sanjay Gupta had that ground-breaking special here about the legalization of weed. So I understand that she wants to get involved politically. It's unethical to do it the way she did, to come on and cover the topic and only then to reveal she was part of it.
[Lemon:] It makes her look worse. Any time you have something like that and you use a curse word, it always makes you look worse. Here's what the station is quoting, saying it had no idea the reporter would quit or that she was connected to the Cannabis Club. How can this happen? How can she be in her own place of business, then, and talk about her future place of business, and no one at the station really know about it?
[Stelter:] It makes you wonder who assigned the story to begin with. Maybe she pitched the story about the club that she's the leader of, or maybe it was assigned to her by somebody else. Either way, and this is what we used to say when I was at "The New York Times," that's what editors are always for or producers, in this case, to be a check the person, to be a check and balance of the reporter.
[Lemon:] You asked me if I would do something like this. Would you ever do something like that?
[Stelter:] I'm a shy guy. I don't know about that, Don.
[Lemon:] I don't know if people call you shy, but you are always professional.
[Stelter:] Thank you.
[Lemon:] Thank you very much. The host of "RELIABLE SOURCES," every Sunday morning here on CNN.

[Lemon:] We are back now and talking about President Obama's exclusive interview on CNN with our Chris Cuomo. Errol Louis and Scottie Hughes is here with me right now in New York. Errol is CNN political commentator and a politics anchor for New York One and Scottie is a news director for the Tea Party News Network. So, let's talk about money now. The federal budget and funding for the federal budget, funding for Obama care and the threat Obama care and the threat of a government shutdown when government gets back to town. Here's what the president said to Chris Cuomo of "New Day."
[Obama:] Republicans talking about the idea that they would shut down the government, bad for the economy, bad for not just people who work for the government, but all the contractors who and the defense folks and everybody who is impacted by the services that they receive from the federal government, we should shut that down because Republicans after having taken 40 votes to try to get rid of Obama care see this as their last gasp. Sometimes they say to me privately, I agree with you, but I'm worried about a primary from, you know, somebody in the tea party back in my district or I'm worried about what Rush Limbaugh's going to say about me on the radio.
[Lemon:] Errol, I mean, do these people exist, these Republicans who secretly agree with the president and fear rush Limbaugh?
[Louis:] No, absolutely they do. I mean, look. People go in to the legislature because they like deal making and compromise. And they probably done it all their life at the city council level or its county commissioners or in their state legislature. They get to Congress in to this incredibly polarized situation and they can't make a move and party leadership demand they take 40 worthless waste of time votes just to make a point and it's not really what a lot of people went in to politics for.
[Lemon:] Scottie, do you agree with that? That they do exist?
[Hughes:] I think the ground's going to shake from the tea party respective, yes. President Obama is right on this point. We will primary them because that is not what the American want. There is 41 percent of the American people want Obamacare or approve of Obamacare. The overwhelming majority of people want it gone. And so, the key is that we have a decision to work about is that let's listen to the American people, the people do not like this system that's been handed to us.
[Lemon:] OK. Let's move on and talk about Senator Ted Cruz. This is for you, Scottie. I want you to listen to what he said on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION" today.
[Sen. Ted Cruz , Texas:] If President Obama makes the decision to shut down the federal government because he's so committed to Obamacare, that's a point where we have got to win the argument. I will tell you what. If we're successful, mobilizing millions of Americans to reach out to their elected officials and say do the right thing, spare us from this train wreck, get the economy going, get jobs back, that will move Republicans but ultimately moving Democrats, also.
[Lemon:] All right. This is a bit this is tricky territory because the last time we had a big shutdown, Republicans got blamed, not Democrats. Are you sure that's a good idea?
[Hughes:] Well, let me point out, the only people that are wanting to shut down this government are the Democrats. In reality, we keep hearing compromise, compromise, compromise. Guess what? We're compromising. We are going to put everything through except for one issue.
[Lemon:] Yes. But the Democrats aren't saying let's shut down the government. Republicans are out really saying let's shut down the government.
[Hughes:] No. We are saying we'll give you 99 percent of what you want. It is all your. One issue we want taken out, Obamacare.
[Lemon:] Obamacare. But that's a big issue that, you know, that affects a lot of people. Not just that easy to say, OK, this is gone.
[Hughes:] And only 41 percent of Americans believe it. So, I think
[Louis:] It doesn't just affect a few people. I mean, it affects the entire country and been litigated politically. I mean, it is what the 2012 elections were about, you know. At some point, you have to say, look, we want to move forward with what the people have said in the voting booth. What they told a pollster today is one thing but what they said when it was time to make the policy happen was clear. Everybody campaigned against Obamacare. It didn't win the Senate. It didn't win the White House. It probably won't win the Senate next year on that one issue. You know, I mean, Republicans, the tea parties are welcome to try but at some point
[Lemon:] Well, they keep trying and over and over and over again. Thank you, guys. That has to be the end of it. Thank you, Scottie Hughes and also Errol Louis. I was going to call you Errol Flynn.
[Louis:] I have been called worse.
[Hughes:] We all have.
[Lemon:] Good to see you again. All right. She helped organize one of the most memorable events of the civil rights movement but her hard work ended up with her missing, Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.'s greatest speech because she fell asleep. Her unforgettable story is next.

[Costello:] Bill Clinton is firing back over comments made about his wife's health. This after Republican strategist Karl Rove suggested Hillary Clinton might have suffered from complications. Well, he implied it was brain damage following a 2013 hospital stay.
[Bill Clinton, Former President Of The United States:] First they said she faked her concussion. And now they say she's auditioning for a part on "The Walking Dead". She works out every week. She is strong. She's doing great. As far as I can tell, she's in better shape than I am.
[Karl Rove, Republican Strategist:] Wait a minute no, no, I didn't say she had brain damage. She had a serious health episode.
[Costello:] So there you have it. Senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar joins me now to talk about this controversy. Good morning.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior Political Correspondent:] Good morning to you, Carol. You know, I mean, health is always kind of fair game, right? I think this is something that comes up a lot in campaigns. And even though Hillary Clinton hasn't said that she's running yet, that's sort of the feel that you're getting. So health is fair game, but insinuating that someone may be brain damaged and we don't have a recording of what Rove said, but it doesn't necessarily seem to be fair game. According to the "New York Post" gossip page, page 6, he did say that she showed up after having this concussion wearing glasses that are only for people with a traumatic brain injury. And apparently he repeated that many times. So I think the sort of consensus on that is that it wasn't really fair game that he did it, but I also think a lot of people aren't surprised this kind of thing happens in politics. You know, and she's probably going to get a little more of it. One interesting thing, I did speak to a neurologist to say, hey, you know, let's do a little fact check on this. And he told me that she's no longer wearing these glasses. The ones you probably recognize, they kind of looked pretty thick. They had a prism on one side here. She was wearing them for the Benghazi hearing that, you know, we saw her. He said that a lot of times when patients have a concussion, their recovery is complete, and those symptoms are temporary. And he has no reason to believe, looking at the fact she's not wearing those glasses now, that that's not the case for her.
[Costello:] Well you know, it is fair to point to her health, right? And especially if she runs for president, but I don't know. Karl Rove, maybe he should just even Newt Gingrich said this was a ridiculous thing to say.
[Keilar:] You think he's just not concerned about her health and you know, he wants her to be in her best shape to run. I know, I sort of sense your skepticism on that, too. No, that's definitely fair game. But I think one of the things this highlights is, you know, health in a way can also be a proxy for talking about age. And I think that's going to be an issue for Hillary Clinton. She is going to be 69 come Election Day in 2016. That's old for a candidate. It really is second only to Ronald Reagan. So I think what you're going to see especially, Carol, when you look at so many of the Republicans who look like they might throw their hat in the ring, they're a lot younger. So it's possible that they may try to run an ageist campaign kind of against her. Even the idea of, like, old ideas versus new ideas.
[Costello:] Look at the things that they said about John McCain.
[Keilar:] Oh, sure.
[Costello:] People said awful things about him. So I guess you're right. This is just part of the game.
[Keilar:] Yes, you know, and they said it about Ronald Reagan, too. This is what some Republicans you talk to, hey, people tried to do this against Ronald Reagan. It didn't work. Republicans just need to kind of get on with this.
[Costello:] Brianna Keilar, thanks so much. We're just a few minutes away from the start of a dedication ceremony for the National September 11th Memorial Museum. The special ceremony starts at the top of the hour. Chris Cuomo and Ashleigh Banfield are in lower Manhattan near ground zero. We'll bring this ceremony to you live. NEWSROOM continues after a break.

[Whitfield:] Good morning, again, everyone. Thanks so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. We are following the latest on that Charleston, South Carolina church massacre. We have just learned that gunman, Dylann Roof, is now on suicide watch. We are tracking stunning new details about Roof including that he had seven ammunition magazines when he gunned down his victims. According to a CNN affiliate, WBTV, Roof told authorities that he thought about not opening fire after he got to know the people in that bible study because they were so nice to him. And that he was planning to go to Nashville following the attack, because he had, quote, "never been there before." In the meantime, the nation continues to grieve. Today rallies are unfolding across the country like this one in New York. All of this as questions continues to emerge about whether signs were missed by those who knew the gunman. People who knew Dylann Roof say that he talked about sparking a race war and wanted to bring back segregation.
[Joey Meek, Friend Of Dylann Roof:] He was saying he wanted segregation. He wanted a race war. He wanted white with white and black with black.
[Unidentified Male:] What did you say when he said that?
[Meek:] I didn't agree with his opinion at all. We just argued about it.
[Whitfield:] So joining me to talk about all of this is former FBI agent, Michael German, who is now a fellow for the Brennan Center for Justice Liberty and National Security Program. Good to see you, and Jeff Gardere, psychiatrist and professor of behavioral medicine at Touro College, good to see you as well. All right, so Gentlemen, you know, we keep hearing words like wakeup call after this and other tragedies here in Charleston, South Carolina. We have heard it in Newtown, after Aurora. Aren't there red flags before someone does something like this? So, Jeff, what are the flags that people really need to pay attention to and then be proactive and do something and say something to someone?
[Jeff Gardere, Professor, Behavioral Medicine, Touro College:] Well, there are a few things, and we see this in the profile of shooters and certainly in this shooter isolating oneself and not having many friends, but this overreaching anger, a hate of others whether it's a hate of humanity or in this case, a hate for black people. So all of that is part, I think, of the red flags that were missed here that people saw that was happening and did nothing about it. Throw in the mix that there might be some sort of opiate addiction and other behavioral issues.
[Whitfield:] Michael, the friend we just heard, he even went on to say that he was worried about Dylann and what he could potentially do. He knew at one point he had a gun. The friend said he retrieved the gun and hid it, but then hours later, he had second thoughts and decided that he better return it because the last thing he wanted to be was to be accused of stealing someone's gun. He admits he was thinking about himself, but then he also says, you know, he wishes that more could be done. What does a person that is torn, your friend or family member, you recognize something weird but you are not quite sure what to do? We keep hearing that repeatedly.
[Michael German, Former Fbi Special Agent:] So the white supremacist movement in the United States is fairly large. There are hundreds of people involved in it probably, you know, far more people who have a racial view. So we have to be careful not to association the racial views directly with the violence. But clearly where someone has made a specific warning and if they have made a specific warning and have weapons to carry out that threat, obviously that's something that somebody should take seriously and report to authorities.
[Whitfield:] And then Jeff, you know, as we, you know, look at photographs of Dylann Roof, people have made observations, whether it is the flag of Rhodesia. You know, statements, outward statements, even if it is not verbal, but perhaps it is something that someone is wearing that one would think, I think these are the conversations happening everywhere. When we think that a family member, a friend, somebody would say, what does that mean? If you're unfamiliar with it, what does that mean, and then you hear what the definition is or the motivation behind what someone is wearing or the message that they are trying to send, that it could be a prelude to something. We heard from Jason Johnson a moment ago. He talked about the hope is that maybe some personality responsibility would come from tragedies like this. What is the personal responsibility that all of us have to act upon something when we think something is awry?
[Gardere:] Well, first and foremost, there have been too many of these cases where people thought, well, we weren't really sure. We knew this person was angry. We didn't want to get them in trouble. Certainly, we want to respect the civil rights of every single person. But our responsibility really is to talk to other people within that person's sphere and see whether the dots are connecting here. This is a term that we call triangulation, being able to share information so that we can see whether something really is amiss, whether something is bubbling up and is about to boil over. And so it is important that we begin that conversation with people around us and if we really do fear that a person may act out for the safety of the public but even for the safety of that individual, we should contact authorities. Because at the end of the day, there may be a real mental health issue in this case mixed in with some very hateful racial views, which is that recipe for disaster.
[Whitfield:] The notion of a lone wolf acting out or the influence that is inspiring this lone wolf to act or whether this person is associated with a group.
[German:] Obviously, this has been a persistent problem. One of the major problems in our inability to understand it and to develop effective methods of preventing it is that we don't do accurate data collection. The federal government hates crimes data is woefully inadequate. A National Institute of Justice study in 2005 suggested that the data that the FBI collects and publishes on hate crimes is up to 15 times less than the number of actual hate crimes that occur. So before we can really understand a problem and address it effectively, we really have to have accurate data collection.
[Whitfield:] All right, Michael German, Jeff Gardere, thanks so both of you, Gentlemen. Appreciate your insight. Coming up next, how the Charleston massacre is putting renewed emphasis on church safety? A Texas church sharing its story now.

[Michael Smerconish, Cnn Anchor:] I'm Michael Smerconish. Welcome to the program. We begin with breaking news. Overnight, U.S. special forces killed a senior ISIS commander during a raid intended to capture him in eastern Syria. No U.S. personnel were killed or injured during the attack which took place inside ISIS territory. Let's get right to CNN military analyst Major James "Spider" Marks. General, who was Abu Sayyaf?
[Major James "spider" Marks, Cnn Military Analyst:] Abu Sayyaf in the vernacular was the CFO for ISIS. He was responsible for all the oil and gas revenue but he also had been creeping up in the organizational structure as having a very large command and control portfolio, as well. So, this was a significant hit this morning.
[Smerconish:] The White House, of course, has said that we would not put boots on the ground in Syria, it seems like we just did that. Have we established a new precedent?
[Marks:] Oh, no. These boots were, look, let's not call them boots. These are special operators that went after a very high-value target, eliminated the target and were able to come back safely with Abu Sayyaf's wife, Um Sayyaf, who really is the deputy to her former husband. This was a high-risk, high-reward operation executed phenomenally.
[Smerconish:] In other words, you're saying there could be great military significance. Intelligence gathered from the wife.
[Marks:] Absolutely correct. The interrogation that will follow, following this is significant. That's kind of point number one. Point number two, as a result of this raid, special operators walked away with a lot of documents. A lot of information. Hard drives, computers, et cetera. We will go through, we, the intelligence community will go through that very, very quickly to see if there is targetable intelligence, proof of life of some other captors and what we'll be able to do is build a very strong, very clear picture of what these revenue sources are that have continued to fund ISIS activities.
[Smerconish:] It's just interesting that given the ISIS, ISIL subjugation of women that in this particular case when it comes to terror activities, women seemed to be afforded an equal playing surface. They are put in positions of authority?
[Marks:] Yes, I know. That's the irony of all of this you wonder what playbook you're really looking at. It's not a playback within balanced rules. But we know that. There's a level of barbarism behind their activities that we understand. It's difficult for us, really, to get our hands around it. But the operation that was conducted to go after him was clearly, you can't second guess the national security team. Obviously, it worked out very, very well.
[Smerconish:] General, how replaceable is he? It seems that ISIS or ISIL doesn't have the type of command structure that one would find, say in the U.S. military?
[Marks:] Yes, a battlefield commander generally someone who has been in the fight and someone who understands the dynamics of moving men and material across spaces and then engaging in some very specific operations, those individuals can be replaced. But this is the CFO. This is the one who has been running all behind the scenes, has been running all the activities that fund what we see as a matter of routine. What ISIS puts out there. Their activities that we see them routinely conducting. This is the one who creates the revenue so they can conduct these operations and this amazing marketing arm that they've been able to achieve. This is all now, hopefully, at risk because of this operation.
[Smerconish:] General, please stand by. CNN's chief Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr is joining me now by phone. Barbara, what's the latest from the Pentagon on this?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Chief Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, we have been talking, Michael, to a number of sources that will say to you are directly familiar with the operation on the ground in Syria overnight. Now, while this man, Abu Sayyaf was in charge of oil and gas operations, there may be other reasons they went after him. We need to remember that the U.S. assessment was he was increasingly involved in ISIS's day-to-day operations, command and control. This is the key thing that the U.S. wanted to get some insight into. Two sources telling me that there is reason to believe he may have been in some level of contact with the ISIS leader, Abu Baker al-Bagdadi. We don't have details on that. But the fact that two sources familiar with the operation on the ground are able to tell us at CNN that there's reason to believe he may have been in contact with Bagdadi begins to shape the picture on why they were willing to risk U.S. troops to go get him. 09:05:06 It wasn't just to get him, but his communication's equipment going into where he was as we have seen over the years in every one of these raids. Trying to get the laptops, trying to get the cell phones and trying to get any intel material in a site to bring it back and exploit it and see what you can find out. We have a couple of other details to share with you. These U.S. special operations commandos, we are told they were led by the U.S. Army. There was a firefight, but I am now also told that there was hand-to-hand combat on the ground when this all erupted. That there were, it was such close quarters that some of the ISIS people on the ground tried to fight back with hand-to-hand combat in the U.S. Army commandos, obviously, dealt with that situation very quickly. We are told about a dozen or so ISIS personnel on the ground killed by the U.S. commandos. Abu Sayyaf also fighting back against the U.S. troops and was killed in that. So, I think it's beginning to take shape very rapidly that we may all not have known about this man, but U.S. intelligence did. They were looking at him very closely. They were tracking him. They were beginning to see a picture emerge that he might have a lot of crucial information about top ISIS leadership, about the command and control of ISIS, about their operational activity and the president citing, Michael, it was absolutely worth it to go in and try and get it.
[Smerconish:] Do we know yet, Barbara, which of our special forces successfully pulled off this mission?
[Starr:] I will tell you that we are told it was Army special operation forces and that usually is essentially defined as Army Delta Force. These along with units like S.E.A.L. team 6 are the best trained, most covert, highly trained commandos obviously in the U.S. military. If you think about it, these are the kinds of guys that go in deep into enemy territory. Know that they're going to get in a firefight or try to. Their goal is to go in quick as heavy and hot with rapid fire as they can. Immediately control their perimeter. Immediately control their situation. Get their objective, capture or kill and get out as fast as they can. It is the type of operation that killed Osama Bin Laden. It is the type of operation that they have quietly done for many, many years in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, in Somalia, in Yemen, in Libya. This is what they do. And their rate of success last night was all of them came home safely. Not to put a light note on it, we're told one U.S. guy had bloody knuckles from that hand-to-hand combat and other than that everybody came back fine.
[Smerconish:] Barbara, please stand by. I want to emphasize that this is a CNN exclusive. It's a small force. These are the first American boots on the ground in Syria. General Marks, if I could go back to you momentarily. Wouldn't you expect that an operation such as this would have been accomplished with the support of other nations and, if so, which countries?
[Marks:] Clearly Iraq. The operation was based out of northern Iraq, which is the closest point that you'd have to stage. So, the Iraqi government clearly was cognizant and provided not only approval, I would guarantee that they provided layers of support, as well, that would allow the special operators to stage. The special operators have to come into country. If they are in country, they're totally covert, as Barbara described. They would be in very, very briefly and they have to stage and go through some immediate final rehearsals. All that would have to be done with the support, the understanding and the support of the host nation. So the Iraqi government got behind this and supported it completely. We did nothing to try to clear the air space or try to clear anything with the government of Syria. We took full advantage, created a corridor, went from Iraq into Syria and hit the target and came back out as quickly as possible.
[Smerconish:] CNN military analyst Lieutenant General Mark Hertling is standing. General, I'd be thrilled to get your take on this breaking development of what significance the killing of this ISIS leader. 09:10:04
[Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, Cnn Military Analyst:] Michael, I'll just put it in perspective. When you get a chief financial guy, as Spider has already said, it is huge. It is one of the lines of operations. There are six, according to the national strategy. The economic piece is one of the more important ones. When you're talking about breaking down that network and finding some things out about not only how the money flows but who it flows to, it would be really beneficial to have more information. Special operation forces will pull the strings, not only on what they find from the data collected on the scene and the interrogations it will soon follow, but it will also allow them to go after other targets. A hit like this will allow for many, many more hits and it shows, also, truthfully, that is isn't 10 feet tall like some of us have been saying. They are being defeated. One of the things that I'll just share a combat experience I had when I was commanding northern Iraq in 2007, we hit a key target that really unraveled the financial elements of the Beijing Oil Refinery and how it was supporting Al Qaeda. We not only got the guys that were involved in that but we got the flow. When you get the flow and you know where things are being connected and who else is involved, how the operational commanders are becoming a part of this, what forces it is funding, what kind of weapons manufacturers or transfers that are going on all through the money laundering line, it is a significant
[Smerconish:] General Hertling, is there any individual within the ISIS command, the ISIL leadership whose death, whose execution, such as we're now discussing in Syria could break the back emotionally momentum wise for ISIS or is that just not the way they function?
[Hertling:] Yes, it's not the way they function, Michael. It's a network. You have to go after multiple targets and it's been interesting to both Spider and I when we hear people say "Hey nobody knew who this guy is." I guarantee you on the law somewhere in special operation command or in a computer in a fusion cell somewhere there's not only Abu Sayyaf who is relatively popular among special operators, this is a good hit and a lot of people knew who he was, that are wearing the uniform, but there are multiple other ones just like him. There's been a target package being basically built on this guy, probably for months. I can't say specifically, but I know when you're talking about a key strategic target, there is all kinds of things in this particular target package on Abu Sayyaf and Um Sayyaf they will tell you here's why we want to go after him. Here's why we want to put the resources against it. Whenever you put American lives, on the line, there has to be a high payoff, when you go into Syria. But, boy, there's going to be a huge payoff from this. Financial, informational, operational is the way I would flow it. Everybody's focused on the operational as primary. But, to me, economic and informational are the two areas we need to go more after.
[Smerconish:] General Marks, on a prior mission, we were in Syria. We did temporarily have boots on ground that was a rescue mission. So I guess the standard is that in special circumstances, the president is prepared to authorize the use of special forces but that there won't be a sustained campaign involving U.S. personnel.
[Marks:] Absolutely, Michael. The notion of boots on the ground is really all about trying to establish a presence over a course of time. When you conduct a special operations like this, you are in and you are out as quickly as possible to get the job done. And as Mark has described, this is a significant, very significant, not serendipitous that we killed the CFO of ISIS. This was targeted, this was known and we're not going to be able to take this intelligence and do a lot moving forward in terms of other targets that we can go after. And hopefully as Mark described, the flow can be dried up. It can really really start to pick apart what it is that keeps these guys ticking.
[Smerconish:] CNN senior international correspondent Nick Payton Walsh is standing by in Beirut. Nick, what is the preliminary word from overseas?
[Nick Payton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] According to the Syrian
[Smerconish:] Nick, ISIS, ISIL has proven to be very sophisticated with regard to the use of social media. Has there yet been confirmation from them, from either of those groups as to this assassination, this successful raid?
[Walsh:] Well, ISIS does have media, we haven't heard from that yet, but this is known as the ISIS
[Smerconish:] Nick Paton Walsh, please stay with us. When we come back in a moment, I want to pursue Nick's idea the notion that a drone wasn't used here but rather special forces were sent in. This is a remarkable story. We're glad you're tuned to CNN. When we come back, we'll have the very latest developments in this situation.

[Whitfield:] All right, so online dating, that's not new, but there is a new twist on it. Our Lisa Ling found couples who use a website to negotiate a relationship both personal and financial. Take a look at a clip from Lisa's new show, "This is Life."
[Lisa Ling, Cnn Host, "this Is Life":] Taylor grew up in a traditional middle class family. But in her early 20s she realized her tastes were anything but ordinary.
[Unidentified Female:] When I started dating guys, they wanted to go to maybe a fast food burger joint or something. I wanted to go out and experience a different lifestyle. So naturally, I ventured out.
[Ling:] Taylor embraced the sugar lifestyle when she was just 22. And this is rich, her sugar daddy of nearly a decade.
[Unidentified Male:] How you doing, you sexy thing? Give me a hug. How you doing?
[Unidentified Female:] I'm good.
[Unidentified Male:] Good seeing you.
[Unidentified Female:] You going to get in?
[Unidentified Male:] I'm going to get in.
[Unidentified Female:] Let's ride.
[Ling:] Sugar relationships can last a long time. Taylor's been in hers for 10 years. She says that her sugar daddy is teaching her a lot of really important things, like golf.
[Unidentified Male:] Outstanding!
[Unidentified Female:] Good shot.
[Unidentified Male:] Outstanding.
[Unidentified Female:] When I met Rich, it was just effortless.
[Unidentified Male:] All right, Taylor, don't you laugh. We just hit it off.
[Unidentified Female:] That was a good shot.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you. I don't want to use the term "love at first sight," but something along those lines.
[Ling:] Can I ask you how old you are?
[Unidentified Female:] I'm 32.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm 69.
[Ling:] If you forgive me for saying, there are a lot of people who might say, what a dirty old man?
[Unidentified Male:] I am a dirty old man. All men are dirty old men. Have you ever met one yet that didn't like to flirt?
[Ling:] Actually, no.
[Unidentified Male:] OK, I rest my case.
[Whitfield:] Oh, boy. I talked with Lisa Ling this week about the couple in the piece you just saw, and I asked her whether their family members know about this relationship.
[Ling:] In this particular relationship, the man wasn't married and has never been married. However, there are lots of sugar daddies, lots of sugar daddies, even who are on these websites, who are married and are looking for a younger woman to be their companions. And whatever goes along with that, with you know, again is negotiated. With regard to Taylor and Rich, one of the couples that we profiled, he's close to 70 and she's in her 30s. Their relationship is a little bit unique. They claim they have never had sex. And for Rich, Taylor allows him to feel youthful and vigorous, and she provides for him something that he was really missing in his life. And it's just a different take on the sugar daddy relationship that I myself was surprised by.
[Whitfield:] It sounds like a friendship.
[Ling:] Well, it's a mentorship, too. And that's another thing a lot of the young women expressed the need for. In this challenged economy they really are seeking these older men for mentorship and possible opportunities to advance their careers.
[Whitfield:] And how do they hook up?
[Ling:] They also hooked up on a website. They've been together for a long time, but initially hooked up on a website.
[Whitfield:] OK, explore this world on the premiere episode of "This is Life with Lisa Ling" airing tomorrow night, 10:00 p.m. Eastern and pacific right here on CNN.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] At over 400 pounds, Sia Figiel was revered in her Samoan cultural.
[Sia Figiel, Cnn Fit Nation Triathlete:] I was considered by people as a woman of strength. But there is no strength in pain and hurt and living with uncontrolled diabetes.
[Gupta:] Complications from her diabetes even forced her to have all of her teeth removed.
[Figiel:] It was on that same day that I decided to be an activist against obesity and diabetes.
[Gupta:] Already an acclaimed author, she used her platform to become a crusader, speaking to schoolchildren and parents about the dangers of obesity. To jump-start her own weight loss, she joined the 2014 CNN Fit Nation team and began training for the Nautica Malibu Triathlon. In eight months, she not only lost weight by swimming, biking, and running, she also gained a lot of confidence. On September 14th, she became a triathlete.
[Figiel:] I just feel like I'm a new person. I feel like I've been rebirthed, I've been baptized.
[Gupta:] Not even a nasty bike crash could keep her from reaching the finish line.
[Figiel:] And they wanted to take me in the emergency vehicle, but I said, I can't do that! My family's out there, my team's out there! I cannot ride in a car! I came to do a race!
[Gupta:] She finished the race with her team by her side.
[Figiel:] My team was there. I mean, they were there and they brought me in.
[Gupta:] More than 100 pounds lighter now, she's not ready to stop.
[Figiel:] I'll do it again.
[Gupta:] Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Malibu.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning, once again. Here's a look at your headlines. Breaking overnight, shocking evidence suggesting that GM knew about a deadly ignition switch problem long before it issued a recall. So, was the automaker hiding something? I want to bring in our Rene Marsh with more on this troubling report Rene.
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Michael, this morning, "The Wall Street Journal" is saying they've seen e-mails between a GM contract worker and ignition switch supplier Delphi. The emails reportedly revealed GM m placed an emergency mortgages order for a half a million ignition switches two months before it alerted federal safety regulators on the faulty switches on 2.5 million vehicles. Now, one law maker is asking the question, why order the replacement parts to address the defects without alerting safety regulators. Now, GM did not disclose the replacement parts order and lawyers representing victims in the class action lawsuit will likely say the company didn't reveal the order to cover up the fact that they knew about the problem long before it issued that recall. Now, if you remember, too much weight on the ignition key or even movement of it, it can essentially cause it to switch out of the run position. That would cut the bower to the airbags and the braking system. The problem is linked to at least 29 deaths. We should note CNN reached out to both GM and the supplier for comment Michaela.
[Pereira:] All right. Stay with CNN. We'll follow this story. We'll continue. Thanks so much, Rene. Another news, Iraq state media reporting ISIS leader Abu Bakr al- Baghdadi was wounded when the U.S.-led airstrike targeted a convoy believed to be carrying ISIS leaders. U.S. central command, though, says it cannot confirm that al Baghdadi was there. In the meantime, President Obama says he is sending 1,500 additional U.S. troops to Iraq to help train Iraqi soldiers to battle ISIS. Quite a situation here: Dolores O'Riordan, the lead singer for the Irish rock band the Cranberries has been arrested in Ireland after an incident onboard a flight from New York. The singer was apparently involved in some sort of plane rage incident. Details were thinned. But there are reports the member of the cabin crew was taken to the hospital with an injury to her leg. Plane rage. A whole new term. We have seen too much of it.
[Camerota:] We haven't seen the cranberries, lately.
[Cuomo:] Cranberries turned sour.
[Camerot:] Wow.
[Cuomo:] We'll wait to know more.
[Pereira:] Yes, we'll find out. Yes, sour rrr.
[Cuomo:] Let it go.
[Camerota:] Thank you, Michaela. Meanwhile, residents in Ferguson, Missouri, are on edge this morning as the community waits to hear the grand jury's decision on whether to indict Darren Wilson. That's of course the police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown, sparking months of protests and racial unrests. As the decision nears, officials and community members are making efforts to avert a return to the chaos that embroiled that area right after the shooting. CNN's Sara Sidner is live for us in Ferguson with more. What is the latest, Sara?
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Correspondent:] Alisyn, today marks the 90th day of protests. And while the protesters say they have been policing themselves, they have been shunning violence. There is a great deal of worry in this town and that might change when the grand jury decision comes down. That could happen as early as this weekend.
[Sidner:] Ferguson is on edge. Some business owners are busy fortifying their shops.
[Constance Garnett, Business Owner:] It's hurtful. It is really, really hurtful.
[Sidner:] Salon owner Constance Garnett says she can't afford to take a chance that unrest will crash head-on into the business she built here for the past 11 years.
[Garnett:] If they should cool and loot our area, then it's going to cost us.
[Sidner:] We asked one of the police's most confrontational protesters about those concerns.
[Basam Masri, St. Louis Resident:] There hasn't been any looting, no violence, whatnot. We have been completely peaceful.
[Sidner:] Nevertheless, plenty of folks worry that may change if the grand jury announcement goes against what protesters want, the indictment of Officer Darren Wilson for the killing of unarmed teenager Michael Brown. At a gun shop near Ferguson, the manager says sales of firearms for personal protection are up 50 percent.
[John Stephenson, Business Owner:] Every time that door opposite, we are seeing new faces every day, dozens of new faces coming in.
[Sidner:] Do you think that's because of what happened in Ferguson?
[Stephenson:] I think it is. I think people, in general, because it's spread beyond Ferguson now.
[Sidner:] The mayor of Ferguson says he's heard all about it, too.
[Mayor James Knowles, Ferguson, Missouri:] The plus side of that is that, you know, everyone of them I spoke had went out and taken a training class, went out and tried to learn the law.
[Sidner:] But not everyone is convinced there is going to be chaos. At the Ferguson burger bar and more, which opened just a day before Brown was killed, no boards, unlike most of his neighbors.
[Charles David, Business Owner:] I'm here. I'm opened. I'm not going anywhere.
[Sidner:] And another ray of hope, when we actually caught up with the mayor, he was helping rebuild what is going to be a brand-new community center called the Center for Hope and Peace. A lot of the residents say they hope that's what happens even when the grand jury's decision comes down Alisyn.
[Camerota:] As do all of us. Sara Sidner, thank you for that update.
[Cuomo:] That will be the big moment. The timing of how it happens, the circumstances around when it happens, and obviously the outcome. And we'll be there to cover it. That's for sure.
[Camerota:] Yes, for sure.
[Cuomo:] All right. A little sports this morning, little football. Here's your headline. J-E-T-S, Jets. Jets, Jets, Jets. Notice the green, no surprise to me. However, the other games are played and somewhat secondary relevance, a heck of a game by the Packers against the Bears last night. Aaron Rodgers had a good night. Let get details courtesy of Andy Scholes in this morning's "Bleacher Report".
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] Hey, good morning, guys. Yes, Packers and Bears, two teams heading in very different directions, what a disaster the Bears have become lately. You know, they have allowed more than 50 points in two straight games now. As you said, Chris, Aaron Rodgers, he was spectacular last night. He threw an NFL record, six touchdowns in the first half. The Packers led 42-0 at the break. Rodgers spent the second half planning the State Farm commercials. Packers, listen to this score, they won 55- 14. All right. What's the only thing that can stop red hot Steelers as they went to New York to face Chris Cuomo's Jets? Justin Bieber. The Biebs, he showed up at the Steelers' bible study Saturday night and proclaimed himself a Steelers fan. Well, you knew what was going to happen next. Pittsburgh went out and laid an egg yesterday. Roethlisberger, who is the hottest quarterback on all the NFL, 12 TDs in the past two games, threw only one touchdown to go along with two interceptions. And Jets would win 20-13. Check out this play in their victory formation. Mike Mitchell try to leaped over the line to cause a fumble. That started a minor scuffle between the two teams and as they came on the field to shake hands. Rex Ryan had two words for Mitchell I let you guess what those were. Rex try to be happy that his team actually won a game. All right. In Seattle, during the Seahawks-Giant matchup, Seattle's mascot tamered the hawk, took a detour. He landed right on a fan's head. The most impressive thing about this whole thing is everyone in the crowd played it pretty cool during the whole situation, while a hawk was coming right at him. The fan even reached over, petted the hawk. I don't know if a hawk is coming right at me, I'm sitting at a football game, I'm making a run for it, and screaming probably at the same time.
[Cuomo:] Let me tell you something. A hawk like that lands on a Jets fan, it winds up in the tail gate. I'll tell you right now. That guy was cool under talon pressure.
[Camerota:] Very. Right.
[Scholes:] He sure was.
[Cuomo:] Thanks, Andy.
[Pereira:] Nobody lost their minds, it was kind of weird. I think that is rare.
[Camerota:] That's how cool they are. All right, coming up, a story you must hear. There's another U.S. Navy SEAL who is going public about the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound. He claims he was the one that killed bin Laden. And that's not sitting well with the famously anonymous professionals. So, we are digging deeper on that controversy next.

[Burnett:] Tonight the governor of Missouri said he will take action. Speaking to the press today he says he's willing to call the National Guard to Ferguson if needed. The grand jury could decide any day whether to charge Officer Darren Wilson for killing 18-year-old Michael Brown. And local police are outfitted with riot gear. Sara Sidner is OUTFRONT in Ferguson.
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Correspondent:] As the grand jury announcement on whether to indict Officer Darren Wilson grows every nearer, the Missouri governor sent out a message out to everyone, law enforcement is ready.
[Gov. Jay Nixon , Missouri:] If folks cross that safety line on property or on person, we will use the full power of the law to keep peace.
[Sidner:] The governor says he will send in the National Guard if required.
[Nixon:] When we make the determination that the National Guard is necessary to provide support, I'm prepared to issue that order.
[Sidner:] We've talked to dozens of people from pastors, to residents, to protesters to police and they all say the city is on pins and needles waiting for the grand jury's decision and everyone is planning. Not just here in Ferguson, but in the entire St. Louis metropolitan area. [Voice-over] The
[Debra Kennedy, Resident And Protester:] It's probably going to be a little anger, a little tension. There are going to be a few bad apples that do some looting, but my position is you can always replace a window, you can replace things, but you can't replace human lives. So as long as no lives get lost and if any lives are lost, it's probably going to be at the hands of the police officers and then that would just cause more problems.
[Sidner:] But police said they have been diligent over the past 90 days, meeting with the community to make safety for all a priority.
[Chief Jon Balmer, St. Louis County Police:] We have instances where officers have been injured. We have instances where they've been hit with rocks in the face and different things like that. So we're going to do what we can to protect them but at the same time we try to always portray a posture of appropriateness to the situation that we're faced with.
[Sidner:] While the community plans, Michael Brown's family was in Geneva speaking to the U.N. on police brutality. They have been calling asking for a peaceful reaction to any decision but if there is no indictment, they told CNN they will join protesters in the streets once again.
[Michael Brown Sr., Michael Brown's Father:] So the fight would not be over. We understand that our son is gone, but the movement will be that we're trying to make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else.
[Sidner:] And we should be clear that, you know, almost every day there has been protests. In fact every single day for 91 days now. And they have been mostly peaceful. But the police say they are preparing for the worst just like everyone else in Ferguson. They had 1,000 officers taking 5,000 hours more of training time Erin.
[Burnett:] That is incredible. Sarah, thank you. And I want to bring in our legal analyst, Mark O'Mara, along with our political commentary, Van Jones. All right, Mark, let me start with you. St. Louis County, the police department, has been stacking up on equipment. We now understand the hundred thousand dollars worth of riot gear, pepper spray, rubber bullets. There was violence this summer. Is this just the smart thing to do, be on the safe side, be sure you're armed and have riot gear?
[Mark O'mara, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, I think they do need to be on the safe side but they're the professionals and the way they handled it the first time, I think, ended up causing more problems. They have to be react with a great deal of restraint. If there's not an indictment there's going to be an intense reaction from the protesters, and quite honestly, I think the police are going to have to let them let off some steam. React maybe more than they would otherwise allow, because what we don't want that to happen is for that to turn into an event where there is more violence and more injury to somebody on the street.
[Burnett:] Right. Because these things obviously when people are there's passion, if something starts it's very hard to stop it. Van, Michael Brown's parents were adamant today that they will that they believe Darren Wilson will be indicted. I mean, that is what they believe without question. Obviously most of the reporting out there as they indicated that that may not be the case. But here is what they said here on CNN about that earlier today.
[Brown:] We're trying to figure out why was he playing part of a judge, a prosecutor and an executioner that day, that moment he interacted with our son. He had no right to address the law the way that he did.
[Burnett:] Then they said they will protest if Wilson is not indicted. Is that something that will calm or incite?
[Van Jones, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, first of all, they have the right to peacefully peacefully assemble and so does everyone. So but why would people be upset about the indictment? You have to look at the facts of what is going on here. This is the most this is a circus. The district attorney, rather than charging the officer or not charging the officer, instead did something we've never seen before. He gave it to a grand jury but didn't give the grand jury any instructions. So basically you usually say well, listen, we want manslaughter, we want second-degree, we want trespassing or something, but no instructions to the grand jury. Here is the facts, good luck. That has sent a signal to the entire community that this is not a this thing is being handled in a very, very strange way. Then they kick the can down the road for weeks and weeks and weeks and so there is no trust. Now the governor should be ashamed of himself because rather than talk about, I'm going to send in the National Guard, the governor should send in a special prosecutor to do a professional job.
[Burnett:] All right, let me
[V. Jones:] There is no confidence that anybody has or should have in this kangaroo circus process.
[Burnett:] All right, Mark, you've been shaking your head as Van was saying that the grand jury was sort of epically a fail.
[O'mara:] Look, we have some concerns but the criminal justice is still the best in the world. People are going to complain no matter what happens. Had the prosecutor made the decision there would have been complaint that it didn't go to the grand jury. We have 12 people from the community, a cross-section of the community, who has spent months and months. There would been complaints if they didn't spend enough time on the case. Now that they're spending enough time, my understanding, and we don't know yet, is that this grand jury has heard every piece of evidence, not only that the prosecutor could give but even the defense and the Martin family
[V. Jones:] I've got to bump in.
[O'mara:] Hold on. Hold on.
[V. Jones:] You are not you are not being accurate about what the community the community said from the very beginning they wanted a special
[O'mara:] Go right ahead.
[V. Jones:] The community says from the very beginning let's be accurate here. From the very beginning they wanted a special prosecutor from the governor because there is no trust.
[O'mara:] Right.
[V. Jones:] And every single decision the prosecutor has made
[O'mara:] And the special prosecutor is only appointed Only appointed if there's good reason. What we can't what we can't do is just say because a segment of the population wants one thing that doing the opposite, which is a normal course of conduct is wrong. Why don't we wait?
[V. Jones:] Is this normal, sir?
[O'mara:] Yes, actually it is. A grand jury is a normal
[V. Jones:] Not give charges to a grand jury?
[O'mara:] Sir
[Burnett:] So wait. Let's hit this issue. Let's hit this one issue, Mark. To Van's question, to not give directions, charges to the grand jury.
[V. Jones:] That's never happened.
[Burnett:] Did that happen? Did that ever happen, Mark? Should it have happened?
[O'mara:] Well well, first of all, we don't know yet that it did not happen. What we do know is that they are going to be instructed on all of the law. That is the only way they can make a decision on the law. So the suggestion that they were given facts and no law, I would contend, is completely inaccurate and only portends greater mistrust in a system that we might should believe is going to work. So let's wait and see what they did. It's a great decision that they're going to be transparent with all the transcripts so that we can look at it. But to make a decision now that they were just given facts without law is not only an absurd suggestion but it also doesn't follow with what supposedly has happened already.
[Burnett:] Van, why wouldn't you have a grand jury just to look at it and make a decision to charge since that is what's done in much of the country?
[V. Jones:] Listen. If you're going to have a grand jury, then you've got to give the grand jury instructions. And listen, the whole joke has always been about a grand jury. You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich because there's nobody putting anything back on the other side, and in this situation, it's the first time we've seen this kind of abuse. Now here's the reality. We have three levels of government. Federal, state and local. The federal government is doing what it can. Nobody had confidence from the beginning in the local. Where is Governor Nixon? Why is he talking about sending in troops when he has not even sent in an investigator, a prosecutor on his own to find out what's going on there. There is a presumption that African-American are going to riot just because they don't get their wear. We usually don't get our way but there is usually a fair process and that is not happening in Ferguson.
[Burnett:] All right. Thanks very much to both of you. We'll have you back. OUTFRONT next. A woman falls to her death. She was hiking in the Rockies. She fell off fell may not be the right word. She fell off a clip because now her husband is charged in her murder. And now investigators are looking at the death of his first wife. Plus new details tonight on the death of Robin Williams. Did a common disease that millions of Americans have drive him to suicide?

[Blitzer:] Standby for more on the latest developments from Ferguson, Missouri. That's coming up. But first, new fireworks over the president's executive action on immigration. Are Republicans willing to fight back by shutting down the government? Our chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash is here. She has new information. What are you learning, Dana?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] You know, there's a really odd dynamic on Capitol Hill today. You had a committee in the House where Republicans were beating up on a key member of the president's cabinet for overstepping his authority on immigration, and practically the same time, Republican leaders were privately telling their rank and file that there is nothing in the short term that they can do about it.
[Bash:] Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson came to Capitol Hill knowing he'd be in for a scolding.
[Rep. Michael Mccaul , Homeland Security Chairman:] The president's unilateral actions to bypass Congress undermine the Constitution and threaten our democracy.
[Bash:] Republicans raked him over the coals for the president's executive action allowing some 5 million undocumented immigrants to stay in the U.S. legally.
[Rep. Patrick Meehan , Homeland Security Committee:] He's acting in the capacity beyond where he has the ability to do so.
[Jeh Johnson, Homeland Security Secretary:] Sir, I respectfully disagree.
[Meehan:] On what basis?
[Johnson:] They are present they are lawfully present in this
[Meehan:] Lawfully?
[Bash:] Despite their outrage, Republicans decided today not to take the immigration fight so far that it risks a government shut down.
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] Frankly, we have limited options and limited abilities to deal with it directly.
[Bash:] That's because the Republican's sharpest weapon is the power of the purse, cutting funding. But if the GOP goes down that road, it would risk a shut down, since the government runs out of money next week, December 11th. [on camera]: Everybody wants to know if there's going be a government shut down.
[Rep. Brad Wenstrup , Ohio:] I don't think anyone has any intention of wanting the government to shut down.
[Rep. Dennis Ross , Florida:] That's not even the topic I think we're going to discuss at this point. I don't think that's an issue that we even want to address. We're not going to take that bait.
[Bash:] Why is it bait?
[Ross:] Well, I mean, that's been the president's biggest bully pulpit is trying to scare the American public into thinking we're going to shut down the government.
[Bash:] So, the leading GOP plan is to fund most of the government through next year, but only extend funding for homeland security, which oversees immigration, for a few months to buy time.
[Boehner:] It's going to be difficult to take meaningful action as long as we have got Democratic control in the Senate.
[Bash:] But powerful conservative groups are impatient and unhappy, one accusing GOP leaders of writing a blank check for amnesty. [on camera]: What do you say to groups who think this is caving?
[Rep. Robert Pittenger , North Carolina:] Well, I don't think you're caving when you're trying to restrict the actions of the president that has been unconstitutional. I think you're taking every initiative that is possible at this point.
[Bash:] House Republicans will hold a vote this week on a bill that says the president violated the Constitution by using his executive authority to change immigration policy. But since the Democrats still run the Senate, have no intention of bringing that up, the vote will largely be symbolic, a way to mollify frustrated conservatives. But, Wolf, it's an open question about whether that's going to be enough.
[Blitzer:] So, it's safe to say no government shut down?
[Bash:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] All right. Gloria, stand by. Dana, stand by. Gloria Borger is here with us as well. Let's talk about politics right now. Our new CNNORC poll, most likely GOP presidential candidates right now still early. Mitt Romney, 20 percent, Ben Carson, 10 percent, Jeb Bush, 9 percent, Chris Christie, 8 percent. Are you surprised by any of these numbers right now?
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] Well, I think it's all about name recognition certainly for Mitt Romney. Ben Carson is somebody who is well-known within the red red base of the Republican Party. He's a FOX News contributor.
[Blitzer:] Was.
[Borger:] That's right, was a FOX News contributor. And so, I think at this stage, it's all about whose names people recognize. So, as Carson's support surprising at that level? Yes. But, you know, will this does the law shake out?
[Blitzer:] He's a pediatric neurosurgeon, retire right now from Johns Hopkins.
[Borger:] But he's, you know
[Blitzer:] He does have an amazing personal story.
[Borger:] He has an amazing personal story, Wolf, but he also has compared the American government to Nazi Germany. He has said that Obamacare is the worst thing to happen in this country since slavery. So, it's kind of he has said some inflammatory things.
[Bash:] But I think it also is proof that for, you know, sort of the average person out there who is not an avid Republican when it comes to the consumption of conservative media, they might be surprised.
[Borger:] Right.
[Bash:] Other people might be surprised about it, but they like him, they know him, they like him. If he goes down that road, if he runs, that things that Gloria, you know, talked about are going to be big issues out there.
[Blitzer:] Senator Rand Paul was only at 6 percent. Are you surprised?
[Bash:] You know, in some ways yes and in some ways no. I mean, I think this speaks to the challenge that Rand Paul is going have but also maybe the plus that Rand Paul has in that he's not your average Republican candidate. He doesn't appeal to the traditional right, the traditional conservative primary voter in a lot of ways on national security, case in point. I mean, he certainly is just now hawkish. So, I think that's part of the issue.
[Borger:] You know, in this day and age, name ID happens overnight. People recognize you. It's not like back in the day when it took a while to get name recognition. Now, they see you and suddenly they know who you are.
[Blitzer:] Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, he's got good name recognition. He does well.
[Borger:] Some would say it's good karma. Some would say
[Blitzer:] He says he's seriously thinking about it.
[Borger:] He's seriously thinking about it. I have been talking to sources all day about this. I think he's obviously considering it more seriously than he was six months ago but I think he has not made any decision, Wolf. He has not asked for commitments from either funders or staffers. He has not laid the ground work for any kind of a campaign. We're just going to have to wait to the beginning of the New Year to find out.
[Blitzer:] It's wide open on the Republican side. Democratic side, our CNNORC poll numbers, take a look at this. Hillary Clinton, way, way ahead, 65 percent. Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts, 10 percent, Vice President Joe Biden, 9 percent, Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, 5 percent. It's hers if she wants it. Is that fair?
[Bash:] Oh, very fair. It is hers if she wants it. The question is whether there's going to be even a remotely credible opponent in the Democratic primary.
[Blitzer:] So, if she runs and we should know within a month or two if she's running. Everybody assumes
[Borger:] I think Hillary Clinton may be the only Democrat who thinks she might not run at this point.
[Blitzer:] Yes, I think she thinks she's running as well. All right guys, thanks very, very much. That's it for me. Remember, you can always follow us on Twitter. Go ahead and tweet me @wolfblitzer, or tweet the show @CNNSitroom. Thanks very much for watching. I'm Wolf Blitzer in THE SITUATION ROOM. "ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT" starts right now.

[Costello:] The House is back in session this hour trying to avoid a Homeland Security shutdown and at the same time trying to knock down President Obama's executive action on immigration which is overseen by DHS. Our chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash live in Washington to bring us up to date on the latest developments. Good morning, Dana.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Well, we expect the Senate to act formally today to pass that clean bill fully funded through the end of the fiscal year. But, of course, as we've been talking about, the big question is what is the House going to do? Our Deirdre Walsh is on Capitol Hill outside a meeting of House Republican leaders where they're discussing options. And those options we're told include, one, doing what the Senate is doing, funding the department, but also having a vote on blocking the president's immigration plan which is really at the core of what conservatives are complaining about. That's why this has all been held up in the first place because they wanted to link the two. And the second option is to because the clock is ticking, pass a short-term spending bill just to keep the department running for a couple of weeks. And the third I think is what is perhaps most fascinating. Somehow link the funding bill to the court case that happened in Texas, effectively putting an injunction on the president's executive order. And that's something that I thought was very interesting, that the Senate one of the members of the Senate leadership, John Barrasso, said to you in the last hour. Listen to this.
[Sen. John Barrasso , Wyoming:] The courts have acted. Accept the victory that the courts have given us, which is that the president doesn't have the authority to do what he has done and vote to continue to fund the Department of Homeland Security. I think that is the right decision.
[Bash:] So the reason why I thought that was so telling, Carol, that that was his answer to you, was because that clearly is the message that you are hearing from the leadership, certainly obviously in the Senate but maybe even in the House to the conservatives who are saying we've got to do everything we can here in Congress to push back on the president's policies. The message being, wait a second, we had a court a very important court decision in Texas doing it for us. So why don't we do what we need to do, give the money to the Department of Homeland Security and make sure that Americans are safe and let the court work its will. So we'll see how they try to thread that needle in the hours to come.
[Costello:] Do you think that the House speaker is telling his members that behind closed doors?
[Bash:] Not yet. There's probably going to be a meeting later today. But it is entirely possible that he will do that. The way that the speaker has sort of learned to lead the caucus which is not so easy when you have so many conservatives who have been pressuring him for years really to hold the line against the president's policies is to be careful to listen and to kind of as one aide has said to me time and time again, sort of let the caucus go through their stages of grief about the reality of their situation, their political situation. So unclear how quickly he's going to get there, but, you know, again, we're talking about tomorrow night when the time is going to come for the money to run out.
[Costello:] For the funding to run out. Right?
[Bash:] For the Homeland Security Department.
[Costello:] Dana Bash, thanks so much. I appreciate it.
[Bash:] Thank you.
[Costello:] While you're welcome. While it's easy to get lost in the partisan battles on Capitol Hill, it's important not to forget that American citizens are caught in the middle. The men and women who protect our ports and our borders may be left without a paycheck. Victor Martinez is a TSA agent at the Los Angeles International Airport. Welcome.
[Victor Martinez, Tsa Officer, Los Angeles International Airport:] Good morning, Carol.
[Costello:] Good morning. Thank you so much for being with me. So as you sit back and watch the situation unfold in Congress, what goes through your mind?
[Martinez:] Really I'm just a little frustrated that we're having to go through this a second time. A year and a half ago we just had to go through a government-wide shutdown. So that's in the back of my mind, you know, wondering if this will happen and how long will it go on for.
[Costello:] So you're required to show up to work even though you won't get your paycheck, right? Some Americans say, well, you know, so you might not get paid for a month, what's the big deal?
[Martinez:] I mean, yes, certainly we have to show up to work no matter what. I mean, the mission is important. You know, it's definitely concerning not knowing when you're going to get paid because then you have to start prioritizing what you need to take care of. And certainly that just creates a lot of worries when we're out there, you know, trying to protect the public. And we certainly will be out there protecting the public. But certainly not concerns you want to have as you're doing your day- to-day job, ensuring the safety of the public. And you certainly don't want to go back home and then, you know, not have any answers for your familiarly as far as when you're going to get paid and, you know, you have birthday parties coming up. And then, you know too many unanswered questions. And you don't want to be left in that position.
[Costello:] Well, most of you and your fellow employees, you pretty much live paycheck to paycheck? Is that fair to say?
[Martinez:] I think that is a fair statement to say, yes. Definitely most of us do live paycheck to paycheck. You know, certainly we're not the best paid in the federal government, so certainly we do live paycheck to paycheck.
[Costello:] Some people have pointed to morale among TSA agents, that they're the agency that's going to be punished for this partisan fight in the House. What's the morale like among your co-workers?
[Martinez:] Certainly in the last few years, surveys have said that DHS and TSA, you know, morale ranks at the bottom, government-wide. And certainly, you know, right now knowing that this, you know, pending possible shutdown, it's you know, brought a lot of negativity to the workforce and just impacted our morale much more, knowing that we've gone through this once already and we know that experience. So we certainly are very concerned and yes, really worried.
[Costello:] All right. Victor Martinez, thank you so much for joining me this morning. I appreciate it.
[Martinez:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, the annual CPAC is in full swing. Find out who is already firing up conservatives next.

[Harlow:] Thousands of U.S. troops around the world are on alert right now as Washington braces for this morning's release of so the called torture report. It will reveal very controversial, possibly even brutal techniques used on terror suspects in the wake of the 911 attack. It is an official report. This is not a leak. We've been expecting this, but still the potential for violent backlashes caused U.S. embassies and military bases around the globe to ratchet up security. Our Barbara Starr is on top of this story. She joins us this morning from the Pentagon. Good morning, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Poppy. This report from Senate Democrats has been in the works for months. The question now is what will happen when the world reads it?
[Starr:] This morning, thousands of U.S. military personnel on heightened alert. Anticipating the release of a report by the Senate Intelligence Committee on top secret interrogation tactics and torture of CIA detainees.
[Rep. Mike Rogers , Intelligence Chairman:] Our own intelligence community has assessed that this will cause violence and death.
[Starr:] The Marines are positioned in key areas, ready to respond to potential violent reactions directed at U.S. embassies and military bases around the globe. Believed to be included in the report, details of waterboarding and other interrogation tactics in the years after 911. The CIA believes the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques including waterboarding provided key information that prevented other terror attacks, and led to the capture of Osama bin Laden. But the report questions the effectiveness of those procedures. Critics of the $50 million report question the timing of its release.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] When would be a good time to release this report? And it's difficult to imagine one. Particularly, because of the painful details that will be included. But again, the president believes that it is important for us to be as transparent as we possibly can be, about what exactly transpired, so we can be clear to the American public and to people around the world that something like this should not happen again.
[Starr:] Former Vice President Dick Cheney dismissed the Senate report, saying the CIA's interrogation methods were, quote, "absolutely totally justified". Cheney, who hasn't read the report, strongly defended CIA leaders, arguing the program itself was worth it. Adding, "As far as I'm concerned, they ought to be decorated, not criticized." That sentiment was echoed by former President Bush.
[George W. Bush, Former President:] These are patriots. And whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off-base.
[Starr:] Current and former CIA officials will tell you that they say they were following what they were told were legal orders from the White House. The question this report may raise is whether the CIA told the White House everything it was doing Poppy.
[Harlow:] Who knew, what, when? We'll soon find out, when we read the report. Barbara Starr, thank you for the reporting this morning. And as U.S. Marines prepare for the potential of extremist violence in response to this, Washington is bracing for, of course, the political backlash. Let's bring in our chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash, also senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta. So, Jim, let me go to you if. Can you detail at least what we know ahead of this executive summary being released in terms of the interrogation and detention techniques?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] I think most of this is known already, Poppy. You know, the chief enhanced interrogation technique that's really at issue here is waterboarding, which John McCain, the Republican senator from Arizona, has called torture. President Obama has said we have tortured people. And then earlier this morning, Senator Angus King, the independent member of that Senate intelligence committee, said to CNN "NEW DAY," did we torture people? Yes. Did it help prevent attacks? No. So, there are lots of different opinions on this. Lot of this is going to center on these waterboarding techniques that were used during the Bush administration. President Obama, when he came into office, one of his first executive orders was to ban the use of these enhanced interrogation techniques. I was told by a senior official last night, Poppy, that this report was handed over to the Feinstein committee yesterday after it had been through a review process in the intelligence community. This report according to this administration official is 93 percent, quote, "93 percent unredacted." So, redactions were made, but according to this one official, much of this report is going to be released to the public, at least this executive summary, which boiled down from 6,000 pages to something like 600 pages and also in the words of this administration official, Poppy, there's not going to be anything, quote, "lost in the narrative." So, it sounds like when we see this report when it's released, it's going to be unsparing in terms of what the intelligence community was doing at the CIA in some of these sites, where enhanced interrogation techniques were going on, at least according to this intelligence community and intelligence committee report, Poppy.
[Harlow:] And, Dana, looking at the politics, this doesn't really split along party lines completely, right? You have, as Jim mentioned, you've got the dependent Angus King supporting it. You got Republican Senator Susan Collins supporting it. I'm wondering did some Republicans vote to declassify some of this? Are some backing the White House in this push?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Some of them are, John McCain as Jim mentioned is a perfect example. He has been out there on issues of torture against torture as somebody who was tortured. He was, of course, a prisoner in Vietnam for seven years. He says this has to come out, that we have to tell the American people, and the world, that the United States is different from other countries who engage in these tactics, and that was the point that Angus King, the independent from Maine, made this morning on "NEW DAY." Listen to what he said.
[Sen. Angus King , Maine:] This is who we are as a country. We tell the truth, and if we make a mistake, we admit it, and we move on. I've had military interrogators tell me that, getting the report out would actually help them, because at least it starts to erase the stain that this has put on our national character.
[Bash:] Now, the flipside of that, the opposing argument, Poppy, is that this is going to hurt the United States. That is why, as Barbara reported, military personnel are on alert, embassies around alert around the world because those who want to, for whom the United States is an enemy, will use this as a propaganda tactic. But the other thing I want to underscore here is that this has been years in the making. This has been a battle between the Senate Intelligence Committee, which oversees the intelligence community and the intelligence community for a very, very long time. Getting the information, first of all, about what these tactics were and then the whole concept of releasing it to the public has caused major, major tension between these two, and this is just to take a quick step back, this is a really important committee, because one of Congress's main jobs is to oversee the executive. When it comes to the intelligence community, which by its nature is secretive, this is the key committee that has to do that because we don't have any information as public citizens.
[Harlow:] And they poured through some 6 million documents as you said, Dana, over years to get to this point. Now, Dana Bash, Jim Acosta, appreciate it this morning. Let's talk more about what Dana brought up, the security of America and our forces oversees. Bob Baer, former CIA operative, joins me now. So, to that big question, Bob, will the safety of Americans and our armed forces be increased or jeopardized by the release of this?
[Bob Baer, Former Cia Operative:] Poppy, I don't think it's going to be jeopardized. I think this is being exaggerated. Look, we're fighting a war in Syria. We're bombing ISIS. We're still dropping drones in Afghanistan and Yemen. There's a war all over the world. And having the facts come out about enhanced interrogationtorture, I mean, it's all been out. I don't think there will be any reaction. I think the reaction is going to be political in the United States. I think a lot of Americans are going to be shocked by what happened. But more than that, they're going to be shocked how ineffective the torture has been.
[Harlow:] Well, the Justice Department, their lawyers, right, Bob, said that these techniques did not constitute torture. On the other hand, the Obama administration using the word "torture" to describe what happened to some of the detainees. I think it's interesting for our viewers to know, I'm certainly curious, who does the CIA answer to in terms of that, whether or not it's torture?
[Baer:] Poppy, it answers to the department of justice. And don't forget Congress, all of these techniques passed both intelligence committees, the Senate and the House. The CIA, this was not a rogue operation. At every stage they went to Congress, said, this is what we're doing and told them in complete detail. So, it's not like we're looking to CIA went out on its own.
[Harlow:] It's interesting because former V.P. Dick Cheney told the "New York Times" to portray this as a "rogue operation" is, quote, "a bunch of hooey." I do think it's important, given the fight against ISIS right now, and the coalition forces doing that, to consider what our allies may think reading this. What do you think?
[Baer:] Poppy, that's the problem. Countries that have cooperated with us after 911, Poland, Thailand, and the rest of it, you know, leaking all this out and issuing this report in the future they're going to be reluctant with terrorism. The deal was we were going to keep it out of their politics and we failed to do that. That's going to be the real damage.
[Harlow:] That's a big problem.
[Baer:] The United States can't keep a secret. It's always been a problem for the United States and it's going to be worse.
[Harlow:] Bob Baer, thanks for joining us this morning. Appreciate it. Still to come in
[The Newsroom:] a new Ferguson grand jury document, a lot of documents released, and one very notable one is missing. It's not there. The FBI interview with this man, the eyewitness, Dorian Johnson, Michael Brown's friend who was with him, when he was shot and killed. Why? We'll discuss, next.

[Romans:] Let's get an EARLY START on your money this morning, U.S. stock futures lower right now. Stocks fell a little bit yesterday. There were strong earnings from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, but the Dow dropped 6 points. Still about 1 percent shy from its record. Also watching Bloomberg terminal blackouts, a lot of people in the markets around the world struggling to figure out what's due about that. IBM is warning Louisiana over its Religious Freedom Bill sending Governor Bobby Jindal a letter. The tech company said the pending bill would create, quote, "A hostile environment for its employees." This is what the letter says, "IBM will find much it harder to attract talent to Louisiana if this bill is passed and enacted into law. This is from an IBM vice president. This is the latest warning from corporate America to states considering religious freedom laws. Indiana and Arkansas had similar laws. They were pressured to make changes. Verizon launching flexible TV subscription, that is according to the "Wall Street Journal." Starting on Monday, for $55 a month, Fios customers can buy a base package of channels, but include major broadcasters like ABC and Fox then add groups of extra channels like sports, kid shows, and pop culture. Americans want flexibility when watching TV. According to Nielsen, most Americans only watch 17 channels on televisions. So more changes coming into how you buy, purchase, and consume television programming. An American returning home from Syria accused in a terror plot sent back from the battlefield to launch Jihad in the U.S. "NEW DAY" picks up that story right now.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Host, "the Situation Room":] Another U.S. citizen charged with aiding terrorists.
[Unidentified Female:] The 23-year-old from Columbus, Ohio.
[Unidentified Male:] He left the United States last year to go join the Al Nusra Front in Syria.
[Blitzer:] Confirming Loretta Lynch as the nation's first African- American female attorney general.
[Unidentified Male:] This should not always be partisan. Presidents have the right to pick their team.
[Unidentified Female:] The 73-year-old Robert Bates may not have been telling the full truth about his training.
[Unidentified Male:] There's a number of record that the sheriff's office haven't come forward with.
[Unidentified Female:] Guilty of murder in the first degree. They're wrong.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor, "ac360":] The jury speaks out.
[Unidentified Male:] He played a role in that murder and that's what he was charged with.
[Cuomo:] Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Friday. We made it, April 17th, 6:00 in the east. Alisyn and Mich are off. Poppy Harlow and John Berman are here with me and we do have news. Up first, terrorism here at home, a 23-year-old Ohio man arrested and charged after traveling to Syria to train with Islamic extremists. Authorities say Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud returned to this country on a mission to kill.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Guest Anchor:] And according to a federal indictment, Mohamud was preparing to travel to Texas to execute American soldiers. Let's get the late breaking developments from our Atika Shubert who has been following it Atika.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right. Now he faces actually three different counts, but he could face up to 38 years in prison if convicted of these charges. Take a look at what he was planning.
[Shubert:] Back from Syria radicalized and according to authorities with intent to kill. This man, a 23-year-old American is in custody this morning.

[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Anchor:] Hi, there, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick in for Fredricka Whitfield. Any time now we are expecting a news conference from a district attorney's office in Montgomery County, Texas, regarding NFL running back Adrian Peterson, who was freed on bail after being arrested on a child abuse charge. Peterson is accused of using a switch, a stick, to discipline his son in what he called a "whooping." Alexandra Field is here to bring us up to date on the latest NFL PR nightmare. Alex?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Deb, Adrian Peterson left Minnesota overnight, making the trip to Texas to turn himself into authorities with a warrant out for his arrest. A grand jury indicted Peterson. Peterson's attorney explains the charges related to Peterson using a switch to spank his son. The attorney put out a statement defending Peterson, saying that this was a form of discipline. He says, quote, "Adrian is a loving father who used his judgment as a parent to discipline his son, to use the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in east Texas." That statement goes on to say "It is important to remember that Adrian never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury." That attorney also points out that Adrian Peterson has been cooperating with authorities who had been leading the investigation. As for the Vikings, they have also immediately responded to this. They put out their own statement saying that they are in the process of gathering information regarding the legal situation involving Adrian Peterson. The Vikings are set to square off against the Patriots in Minnesota on Sunday. Right now Adrian Peterson has been deactivated. He will not be able to play in that game. We haven't heard from Peterson himself, although he did put out a tweet on Twitter account just hours before the news broke, part of that tweet saying, quote, "God has you covered, don't stress or worry." For now, that is the most that we are hearing from Peterson, but, again, his attorney says he will continue to cooperate with investigators. Deb?
[Feyerick:] Thanks, Alexandra. As we said, we are going to be going to that press conference as soon as it happens. Also, an urgent man hunt under way in Pennsylvania for anyone who is involved in ambushing state troopers late last night. Police say that the suspect or suspects shot and killed one trooper and then shot and injured another, and it happened at the state police barracks in Blooming Grove just east of Scranton, Pennsylvania. Officers from all over the northeast are on the hunt. Several people have already been interviewed in connection with the case.
[Frank Noonan, Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner:] We are certainly seeking the cooperation of the people. We don't want to alarm people. We have so many law enforcement officers in the area right now. I'm confident that we have the situation under control, but that's where it is. We don't know much more about the assailant so we can't really say what the that the situation is completely in hand.
[Feyerick:] And, of course, they are asking for my leads. Police have not identified either of the troopers who were shot. They have not identified a motive either. We're expecting police to hold a live news conference also at this hour. And in Missouri, protesters are still calling for Officer Darren Wilson's arrest. There's a protest happening there right now. They believe this officer shot and killed Michael Brown while his hands were in the air. Two construction workers corroborated that account this week in a CNN exclusive interview with our Randi Kaye. Here is what they told her.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Just after 12:00 noon, Ferguson, Missouri, the men you see in this exclusive cellphone video hear gunshots. They are about 50 feet away from Michael Brown and Officer Darren Wilson. The unidentified person recording this video captured the witnesses' reaction during the final moments of the shooting. Both men were contractors working in the area. They did not want to be identified. The man on the left in the pink shirt told CNN they heard one gunshot, then about 30 seconds later, a second shot. He says he saw Michael Brown staggering. Then he says Brown hut his hands up saying, "OK, OK, OK." The witness told us the cop didn't say, "Get on the ground," he just kept shooting. That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Michael Brown's brains come out of his head, again reiterating his hands were up. Watch how he motions on the video. The video these witnesses say was taken shortly after the shooting ended. If you look closely, you can see a police officer in the distance beginning to put up crime scene tape. Both men told us by the time it was over there were three officers on the scene, but only one involved in the shooting. Another voice is also heard on the tape. The contractor in the green shirt told me that voice belongs to a man he didn't know who pulled up alongside them yelling this
[Unidentified Male:] He was no threat at all.
[Kaye:] That same contractor in green also told me that he saw Michael Brown running from the police car. He said Brown put his hands up and that the officer was chasing him. He also said that Officer Wilson fired another shot at Brown while his back was turned. The contractor in the pink shirt also shared this, that a second officer who arrived later to the scene also drew his weapon. He said "The one cop was the one who shot him, then I saw the other officer pull a gun out, but he didn't shoot." That same worker described how Brown staggered dead after the second shot 20 to 25 feet to the ground explaining "He was like a walking dead guy." Keep in mind these men don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account does square with what other witnesses said. The woman who took cellphone video of Brown's body lying in the street told CNN that Brown was shot from behind, just like the contractor in the green shirt says.
[Piaget Crenshaw, Witness:] While he was running away from the officer trying to get away, he was getting shot at.
[Kaye:] This witness told Anderson that he didn't see Brown's hands up, perhaps because he was running outside to the scene. But he did see Brown turn around before being fatally shot.
[Michael Brady, Witness:] By the time I get outside, he's already turned around, facing the officer. He he's he has his arms under the stomach, and he was like halfway down like he was going down, and the officer lets out about three or four shots at him.
[Kaye:] Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
[Feyerick:] There's a lot more news and a lot more press conferences coming upright right after a quick break.

[Paul:] So, I don't know if you're aware of this, but measles cases in the U.S. are at a 20-year high right now. The virus is highly contagious and it usually causes really only a fever and rash, if you're lucky.
[Blackwell:] Yeah, but however it can lead to pneumonia, brain damage, deafness and in some rare cases, death. CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen has details for us this morning. Elizabeth?
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Correspondent:] Victor, Christi, yes, we broke a record and it's not a good one. We have reached a 20-year high for measles cases. 288 cases so far this year, and that's the most we've had since 1994. Now there's really, you know, several reasons behind this, but here's the big one. People are not vaccinating their children. And then what happens is those kids get measles and then they spread it to other people. Now, we're seeing that this is the worst in the state of Ohio, and then there's no mystery there. What happened was that some folks from the Amish community went to go do volunteer work in the Philippines. Well, a lot of people in that community, in the Amish community, don't believe in vaccination, and the measles unfortunately is quite common in the Philippines. So you have unvaccinated people going to a country that has a lot of measles. Well, that spells trouble. Of course, those folks came back to the United States, and they were infected, and they got other people sick, and as you can see from this map, there are outbreaks in 17 other states as well. So you might wonder, well, I vaccinate my family. Am I OK? Well, there's a little bit of an issue here. Babies don't get vaccinated until they are about one year-old. You can't vaccinate them when they're little teeny, tiny babies. So you may fully intend to vaccinate your child when your doctor says do it at the age of one, but your child is going to be vulnerable for a year to somebody who comes in with the measles. So that's a problem also. Not all adults are fully immunized and they might not necessarily even know it. So, this is a problem even for those of us who do the right thing and vaccinate our children. Victor, Christi?
[Blackwell:] All right, Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much.
[Paul:] So, I tell you, too, about this new drug that's giving some women hope of having a baby after they have cancer treatments. It's called Goserelin. And it works by sort of putting your ovaries on pause while a woman is in chemotherapy. And then when the chemo wraps up, it kicks start your ovaries again. It's still very early, but results show that women who took the drug were more likely to have a child after chemo than those who did not.
[Blackwell:] The first lady takes one of her causes to the pages of the op-ed section. What Michelle Obama is fighting for, and what it might mean for her legacy. [Bv]
[Unidentified Male:] Yannick Noah achieved the pinnacle of French tennis. He became the first Frenchman to win the Roland Garros singles title in 37 years and the feat has yet to be repeated. [on camera]: If I was in Leon, Paris, wherever, and I went up to a 15-year old boy or girl, 16-year-old, and I say, Yannick Noah, what does he do? What would he say? He say, he was a tennis player, and now he is a rock star.
[Yannick Noah:] No, they have no idea. Most of them have no idea that I was a tennis player. Nobody took I stopped in 1990, it was like 23 years ago. You know, that's a long time. I've had the best moments of my life, more than 30 years ago. It's right here in my heart forever. Every time I see it, every time I think about it I'm complete.

[Rep. Eric Cantor , Majority Leader:] We had a we had very useful meeting. It was clarifying I think for both sides as to where we are.
[Sen. Harry Reid , Majority Leader:] Let's wait and see what the count does. When they send us something, we'll look at it as clearly as close as we can
[Zoraida Sambolin, Cnn Anchor:] A very useful meeting. So could this be a breakthrough? The possible new path this morning to avoiding economic disaster. Is Washington on the verge of actually working?
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Chaos in Egypt. Protesters preparing to hit the streets marking 100 days since a violent military coup took out the president there. We are live.
[Sambolin:] Freak accident or murder cover-up. Parents demanding answers after facts of their teenage son's death just don't seem to add up.
[Berman:] This story gets more and more interesting every day.
[Sambolin:] It's incredible. Incredible.
[Berman:] Good morning, everyone. Welcome to
[Early Start. Sambolin:] It's Friday.
[Berman:] It is. I'm John Berman.
[Sambolin:] And I'm Zoraida Sambolin. It is Friday, October 11th. It is 4:00 a.m. in the East.
[Berman:] Which is early, folks. But let us start with the very latest from Washington. Because this morning after a standoff now in its 11th day there are signs of crucial progress. Overnight on Capitol Hill, they have reportedly been working. At a minimum they are not finger pointing and that in itself is a huge, huge development. This after Republican leaders emerged from a 90- minute meeting with President Obama at the White House and called the meeting useful.
[Sambolin:] Useful. Yes.
[Berman:] Useful might not sound like much to regular human beings but in Washington these days, honestly I think those words are close to epic. On the table right now is a possible temporarily deal to raise the debt ceiling which could avoid what most economists believe would be near-certain economic disaster.
[Sambolin:] Well, what about the government shutdown?
[Berman:] Ending the partial government shutdown is another matter completely, but there are signs there might be some movement on that this morning as well. Senior White House correspondent Brianna Keilar has the latest.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] An encouraging sign after House Republicans met with President Obama at the White House.
[Unidentified Male:] I would characterize this as probably the most constructive.
[Keilar:] And pledge to keep the talks going.
[Cantor:] We'll have more discussion. We'll come back to have more discussion.
[Keilar:] On the table a compromise that would increase the debt ceiling for six weeks. The White House said the president looks forward to making continued progress with members on both sides of the aisle but the government shutdown is still up in the air. President Obama and congressional Democrats insist the government reopen as part of a deal. Republicans want concessions from the president to make that happen.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Republicans were pretty clear earlier today they want to negotiate for you to reopen the government. Is that
[Reid:] Not going to happen.
[Keilar:] Even as they were meeting, more signs the Republican strategy is hurting them in the public's eye. In a new NBC"Wall Street Journal" poll, 53 percent of Americans now blame Republicans for the shutdown, 31 percent blaming the president. Only 24 percent have a favorable opinion of Republicans, 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party. Both numbers at an all-time low. And governors in states where national park closures are hurting tourism are starting to get fed up.
[Unidentified Male:] Come on down to southern Utah. The parks are open.
[Keilar:] Utah brokered a deal with the Department of the Interior to fully fund park service personnel and reopen its parks. Colorado, Arizona and South Dakota may follow suit. On Wall Street, the Dow soared to its biggest one-day gain for the year. Hungry for good news just one week before the U.S. is set to hit the debt ceiling. A six-week debt ceiling deal would take us to November 22nd just as holiday shopping season gets under way.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] The president said the other day that if they were to send them a clean debt ceiling extension, no partisan strings attached, he would sign it.
[Keilar:] Brianna Keilar, CNN, Washington.
[Sambolin:] Our thanks to Brianna. And one consequence of the shutdown that had many people angry is now resolved. The president has signed a bill allowing the Pentagon to once again pay death benefits to families of fallen service members. A private foundation has stepped in to provide the money with the promise of government reimbursement to once the shutdown ends. That will remain in effect until the Pentagon is able to once again get its program up and running.
[Berman:] You know, as Brianna mentioned, one sign that a lot of people like this deal Wall Street was very happy with the news that both Republicans and Democrats are talking and potentially close to a possible deal on averting at least the default. Stock index shot up more than 2 percent. The Dow climbed 323 points. The Nasdaq was up nearly 83 points and the S&P; up 36.
[Sambolin:] So right, John. But that does not mean that the markets are not still nervous. JPMorgan Chase is the latest big-time money manager to pull out of short-term government bonds amid worries the country could default. The company sold off all of its government debt that might come due in late October or early November. Fidelity investments have also sold off its holdings in short-term bonds.
[Berman:] Five minutes past the hour. And some different news out of Washington. A report accuses the Obama administration of taking unprecedented steps to block reporter access to government information. The report by the Committee to Protect Journalists says that President Obama has fallen well short of his promise of government transparency. It found sources in government officials are increasingly afraid to talk to the press and a group said anti-press measures are the most aggressive since the Nixon administration.
[Sambolin:] Americans are slowly getting on board with Obamacare. CNN has reached out to officials in Washington, D.C. and the 14 states that operate their own insurance marketplaces. And their numbers show more than 122,000 people have created accounts and over 75,000 have made their selection and they have signed up. The federal government is not releasing figures for the other 36 states.
[Berman:] To Egypt now where it has now been a hundred days since President Mohamed Morsi was ousted from power. Violence there has only been increasing ever since. And now with the U.S. planning to withhold some aid to the military there, tensions really could not be higher. Ben Wedeman in Cairo this morning. He joins us on the phone. Ben, we understand in the city there they are gearing up for what could be some very large protests today.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, that is the fear that there could be big protests. For instance, last Sunday, there were large protests where more than 50 people were killed. Now there are, for instance, armored personnel carriers, stationed on bridges leading to Tahrir Square. The government has made it clear it has a zero tolerance policy toward these demonstrations, but has to step back and look at the situation is, indeed, very difficult since the military overthrew the rule of President Mohamed Morsi. More than a thousand people have been killed in violence. More than 2,000 members of the Muslim Brotherhood have been imprisoned including most of the senior leadership. And there doesn't seem to be anything in the way of an olive branch being extended by the government here towards the Muslim Brotherhood. Quite an impasse and it appears that most of the political action is really just street action and street violence.
[Berman:] Ben, we mentioned in the toss to you that the U.S. has cut off some aid to the Egyptian military. There have been a lot of criticism here in the U.S. from like Senator John McCain and others that the U.S. had not cut off this aid earlier. I'm wondering what the reaction has been on the ground in Egypt to that?
[Wedeman:] Well, there's a variety of reaction, sure. Yesterday we heard from the Egyptian Foreign Ministry saying in a statement that it was an ill-advised decision certainly given the fact that the Egyptian army is currently in a low-level fight against what they call terrorists in the Sinai Peninsula. Yesterday four soldiers were killed, five were wounded when a car bomb went off in the Sinai and the Egyptian government is saying this is the worst possible time to cut off aid when they are fighting terrorism. So there really is a sense of anger at the United States which really predate that decision. Many Egyptians angry because the United States is perceived to have been supportive of the government of Mohamed Morsi and on a personal note, I first lived in Egypt back in 1980 when sort of the relations in a honeymoon phase. At this point it's really gone downhill. I've never seen such a high level of anti-Americanism in Egypt ever John.
[Berman:] Well, Ben, fascinating to get that perspective 33 years later. Appreciate it. Ben Wedeman, in Cairo this morning, thanks so much.
[Sambolin:] Very compelling images there. Terrible. All right, a government warning about Edward Snowden. Apparently slipped through the cracks years before he leaked thousands of classified documents. Back in 2009 when he worked at the CIA in Geneva, a supervisor wrote that he suspected Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files. That report wasn't in Snowden's personnel file but apparently it went unnoticed. It was four years later when working as an NSA contractor that Snowden leaked the information about the U.S. surveillance programs.
[Berman:] Snowden's father is actually in Russia today, hoping to meet with his son for the first time since he became an international fugitive. Russia granted the 30-year-old temporary asylum. You'll remember last August he's not been seen in public since. Snowden is wanted in the U.S. on espionage charges. His father said he's not sure if his son is will ever return to this country. So you're wondering what it's like outdoors? I am.
[Sambolin:] Let's get an early look at our weather with Samantha Moore.
[Samantha Moore, Ams Meteorologist:] We have a nor'easter working its way up the coast for the end of the workweek and that's going to bring in the clouds and the rain and New York City and to D.C. Philadelphia as well. And Houston is going to be low clouds that could slow you down if you're heading in or out of international or out of Houston Hobby Airport. It is going to be a wet kind of gray end to the workweek and start to the weekend across the northeast and we will see coastal rain from this nor'easter that's just lingering why off the coastline. That'll bring in those unsettled conditions there. Plenty of sunshine across the southeast in through the central plain states but we have a series of systems working their way through the intermountain west that will bring rain and the snow and those cold conditions continuing here across much of the Rockies in through the Wasatch. Ahead of that front, some showers across. Texas will just want to keep those umbrellas handy if you're out and about in the Austin area. And then across the Pacific Northwest it is still cool and damp. I mean, these temperatures are on the coolish side across much of the Pacific Northwest in the 50s as we head this day on our Friday. Pretty nice across Southern California and upper 60s there. Cool for them. Across the southeast incredible temperatures. We'll be looking at 79 in Atlanta, just perfect conditions, 83 in Memphis. We should make it up to 87 in Dallas and in Houston still a little hot and sticky there. We'll let's stay cool and gray and damp in the northeast. I hope you guys have your sweaters handy. Back to you.
[Sambolin:] Actually, I thought it was kind of warm this morning when I walked out.
[Berman:] Really?
[Sambolin:] Maybe I'm just a little crazy.
[Berman:] Yes, a little yes, other things going on there, I'm sure.
[Sambolin:] Apparently. I don't know what you mean by that.
[Berman:] No. Coming up, angry and ignored. Parents demanding justice when questions about their teenage son's mysterious death go unanswered.
[Sambolin:] And three rabbis accused of kidnapping, torture for a price. Who paid the holy men to get them help from hit men? Coming up next.

[Whitfield:] Bottom of the hour now. Welcome back. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Here are some of the big stories crossing the CNN news desk right now. Actor and comedian Tracy Morgan is back at home after being released from a rehab hospital center. He continues to recover from a car crash that left him critically injured last month. Officials say a Walmart truck rear-ended Morgan's limo on the New Jersey turnpike. The crash killed his friend and injured two others. Morgan is suing Walmart over the incident. The federal government has doled out billions of dollars to people who don't deserve it. The money included payments for tax refunds and unemployment benefits to social security and Medicare coverage that weren't legitimate according to a government watchdog agency. The mistake cost American taxpayers $106 billion last year. Wow, sudden rush of hail the size of golf balls! Pouring down on folks visiting a beach in Russia. A sunbather shot this video after the weather went from over 100 degrees to just 70 in minutes triggering this violent storm. Some folks screamed and ran for cover as the hail intensified there. Reportedly there were no injuries, thankfully. All right. TV chef Buddy Valastro, better known as the Cake Boss, and his wife had to be rescued from a boat that got lost in heavy fog there in the New York Harbor there. Valastro posted an Instagram photo, that one, right there of the incident. Authorities received an emergency call for help after Valastro's boat nearly collided into another boat in that dense fog. A rescue crew found them and towed the boat to safety. Valastro says he wants to thank his rescuers by, of course, baking them a cake. All right. John Walsh has helped law enforcement capture more than 1200 fugitives over the years. But technology is also playing an ever increasing role in the search for suspects. CNN's Alexandra Field has been digging into the latest technology at the NYPD crime lab and she has the science behind "THE HUNT."
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] The hunt is on for the most wanted among us. In our global era, the challenge seems broader than ever.
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] It's a lot different than it was in the 1920s and '30s, when you had John Dillinger or Bonnie and Clyde commit a crime in one state and it was a big deal for them to just cross state lines. That's what's changed over the years, the you know, the ability to travel all over the world fairly easily and economically.
[Field:] But along with the emergence of the worldwide manhunt, the science behind chasing criminals has evolved, too.
[Lou Palumbo, Director Of Elite Intelligence And Protection Agency:] You can run, but you can no longer hide.
[Field:] From your image captured virtually everywhere down to your fingerprint, scientific and technological advancements have given investigators more sophisticated tools to work with. Our cameras take you inside the NYPD's closely guarded forensic crime lab, a front line for catching criminals. Better developing techniques in the fingerprinting field show detectives a clearer picture, so do evolving computer programs adding greater detail to tracing ballistic evidence. Advances in DNA analysis are widely considered the most meaningful step forward towards solving more crimes. But the forensics are just pieces of the increasingly elaborate puzzle. [On Camera] You really can't escape the cameras. They are virtually everywhere. Windows that can capture potential crimes, and with evolving facial recognition technology, they could be used to capture more suspects. But even without all those cameras, we know we are all leaving our very own well-marked digital trail. [Voice-over] From electronic data embedded in many of our digital images to our cell phone records, electronic banking transactions and all that social media activity, it's the indelible diary.
[Fuentes:] They had not planned in advance about being a fugitive and don't have literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash, false identities, possibly false passports that can enable them to travel around the world, having the means and the ability to cross borders, they're going to have a huge problem staying a fugitive for a real long time.
[Field:] The search net is wider, sometimes global. But our communications are making suspects easier in some ways to find. Law enforcement officials say advances in the way they can now communicate with each other makes it even tougher to hide.
[Palumbo:] We're inventing new ways to talk to each other, to communicate with each other, to be more efficient, to exchange information in general.
[Field:] Alexandra Field, CNN, New York.
[Whitfield:] All right. You don't want to miss "THE HUNT" with John Walsh. It premieres tonight 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN. A mayor who saw his fair share of scandal is opening up about his life and about the successes in politics as well and civil rights. Marion Barry wants people to know who he is and what his legacy should be. He joins me live from Washington next. But first, it's time to honor those making a difference in their community. Today a simple hashtag on Instagram is now changing lives in Atlanta. Here's CNN's Chris Cuomo.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor, New Day:] Photographer Tim Moxley had an aha moment on Instagram in 2012.
[Tim Moxley, #weloveatl:] I was noticing that, you know, there were certain photos that told, you know, a bit about people, a story about people's lives in the city.
[Cuomo:] He brainstormed with fellow photographers and they created their own hashtag.
[Moxley:] Weloveatl is a hashtag that we started on Instagram for asking people to proclaim their love for the city, show a little bit about their lives in the city.
[Cuomo:] They showed some of the photos in an art gallery but when people continued to submit to the hashtag, they came up with a new plan.
[Unidentified Male:] We had the idea to buy a bread truck and turn it into an art gallery. Kind of a food truck for photography.
[Moxley:] We hang the photos in the truck and sell the photos and we donate all the money to the Atlanta Community Food Bank.
[Cuomo:] #weloveatl has helped families across north Georgia.
[Julie Bryant Fisher, Atlanta Community Food Bank:] We have been fortunate enough to be partner with WeLoveATL. And since that time that's brought us more than $7600. So for us at the Atlanta Community Food Bank, that equates to 30,000 meals.
[Cuomo:] Who would have thought a hashtag could do so much good?
[Aaron Coury, #weloveatl:] We're bringing kind of art and culture and charity together. And we hope that it starts to spread all over the country because we love the idea of celebrating your city. That what we've realized throughout this project.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. It's that music, it's always different so I don't know why that applies here, but the music today means it's time for the "Pop Four" with Nischelle Turner.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] You know I work here some days, but I'm also a viewer and the kitty cabinet is one of the most brilliant things I've seen, fantastic, Chris Cuomo, fantastic. I'll take your mind off the mess and give you pop news. Number four the Kardashians. Kim and Kanye are in Paris for fashion week, but it's baby north making headlines. Kim's posting pictures like these to her Instagram page. Note to the kardashians, go to Target. The baby outgrows it quickly. Number three, "The Simpsons" going dark. The show's executive producer says a regular character will die this season. The only clue the actor or actress who plays that role won an Emmy for it. It leaves nine possibilities, among them the fellow, Homer Simpson is among the possibilities, "Mo the Bartender, because all of the people won Emmys. Number two, Jay-Z's sit down with "Vanity Fair." In the interview he talks how his past created the mega mogul we see today. Here's what he said. He said, "I know about budgets. I was a drug dealer. You need to know what you need to spend." He also said he was selfish and he was not being how it affected the community when he was dealing drugs. Today he has a different outlook. They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Number one, Bieber's unique way of seeing the Great Wall of China, now these pictures from Twitter show the singer atop the shoulders of his bodyguard, carried around of the wonders of the local. Now to be fair we don't know how the pictures came to be or if they were joking around. This set the social media world ablaze and Chris Cuomo you have a couple thoughts on this.
[Cuomo:] I'm in the other camp.
[Turner:] What's that?
[Cuomo:] I could care less. I could.
[Turner:] All right, maybe you don't have a couple comments.
[Cuomo:] I get why the social media and world is abuse.
[Turner:] Well, here's a question though, we don't know if they were joking around, but some people think it appears to be disrespectful, being carried around on the shoulders of bodyguards. Yes, could appear that way.
[Pereira:] I think a lot of people would feel that way, absolutely. There are a lot of people piling on him for his bad behavior.
[Bolduan:] Everything he does is under immense scrutiny. It's almost like he can't win.
[Cuomo:] The choice of what we decide to get upset about, a lot of these cultural things, all of the things you could care about this is where you decide? High points in my career I got to do an episode of "The Simpsons" talk about influences on our culture, the longest running sitcom.
[Bolduan:] Kelsey Grammar won for side show Bob, Azaria the bartender. We'll see. Stay tuned.
[Cuomo:] I was made into a Simpsons character. I will show you the pictures in my office.
[Turner:] I want to see. Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Lots of hair, I like it.
[Bolduan:] Coming up next on "NEW DAY," are we any closer to a solution that would end the shutdown? Coming up we're going to ask House minority whip the number two Democrat in the House, Steny Hoyer.
[Cuomo:] Arrests made after that confrontation between a biker gang and a family in an SUV. Could the man in the SUV also face charges? We'll tell you?.

[Alison Kosik, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning, I am Alison Kosik.
[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] And I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining. It's 9:00 on the East Coast, 6:00 out West, this is NEW DAY SATURDAY. And we begin this morning out West where temperatures this weekend could climb to a staggering 129 degrees.
[Kosik:] Incredible.
[Costello:] That's the forecast for Death Valley.
[Kosik:] I know. It's got Phoenix and Las Vegas, they're not going to be much cooler, either. The mercury there expected to hit 118 degrees.
[Costello:] The heat wave already causing, as you might expect, public health problems, almost 200 people treated for heat-related injuries at an all-day concert in Las Vegas. Thirty others ended up in the hospital. So guess what officials are telling people to do? Drink water.
[Kosik:] Stay inside.
[Costello:] Stay inside, turn on the air conditioner if you are lucky enough to have one, and they're trying to avoid that worst-case scenario, you know, if the air conditioner goes out, the power grid goes out, that would be awful.
[Kosik:] It is awful out there. Our Casey Wian is in Palm Springs, California. Casey, you know, it's really hard to imagine these super hot temperatures. Try to help us understand how really hot it is.
[Casey Wian, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Alison, yesterday it tied a record temperature of 118 degrees here in Palm Springs, but what is really incredible how long throughout the day this heat lasts. At 7:30 last night when I got done with dinner, it was 113 degrees. At 5 o'clock this morning, when I was on my way over here, it was still 88 degrees. So it hardly cools off at all, at least relatively, at night. It's really, really hot. Today the forecast expected to be 120, 121, and that could set another record. You can see over here we have got some golfers who are out here early to try to beat the heat. This golf course tells me that on a normal day in the summer, they get a little more than 100 players reserving tee times. During the winter they get as many as 600. Today they have just got 42. People are definitely planning on staying indoors. Another issue that this heat is causing is with aircraft. Private airplanes have been grounded in the Palm Springs area because it's just too hot to fly. Here is what one expert told us.
[David Shapiro, Aviation Expert:] We will be out of business this afternoon. It's just going to be too hot to fly. When it's 110, 115 degrees, the air is thinner, and the thinner the air the less lift on the airplane. We can get it off the ground, it's not that we can't, you just shouldn't.
[Wian:] Now larger airports like the Palm Springs International airport, they say they are still operational and they are designed to handle the heat. In fact, they say they have got a lot of tourists coming in from places like Europe, places like Canada, people who actually come here seeking these incredible record-high temperatures, Alison and Carol.
[Costello:] I can't believe you are wearing a nice shirt. I would be in a tank top. Do you at least have shorts on?
[Wian:] I don't have shorts on. I didn't pack any for this trip, if you can believe that. I was prepared for something else. But it's all right, we will stay cool today.
[Kosik:] Good luck with that, Casey.
[Costello:] Oh, you are not kidding. So, Alexandra Steele, how long does Casey have to suffer with these long pants, the only thing he has packed?
[Kosik:] [Inaudible].
[Alexandra Steele, Ams Meteorologist:] The funniest thing was what you said to him, Carol, was what I was like, I wonder what he is wearing? What is happening down there? Are there shorts or flip flops? He is going to actually have to endure an incredible amount of heat and for a very long time. That's the problem with this heat wave, the duration of it to the extreme and the length of time. And here's why. It's a jet stream extreme, really, an explosion. Here's the jet; we have got this ridge in the west. Now high pressure, sinking air. That's what that means. That means compressing air, and that means the air warms. It's kind of like pumping up your bicycle tire and then when you touch the rubber on the tire it kind of feels warm to the touch, that's what is happening out there. Degrees, it's not just a record for the day or a record for the month. Some of these places, with eight states seeing some type of heat advisory for the next couple days, are going to hit temperatures that they have never seen before. And I will show you a few places. So Phoenix right now waking up early, walking out the door, 93. Phoenix should be at 107 this time of year, so they are in the hundreds usually. So they are used to that. But flirting with 120, 118 today, two degrees shy, it only has been 120 in Phoenix since records have been kept three times, and you can see all the way through Wednesday still at 110. Places like Las Vegas, right now, waking up, going in, coming out, whatever you may be doing, 90 degrees there. Now Vegas should be at 103, but well above that as well. And here are the records, 116, the high temperature. These are the records, 115, 115, and 116; Saturday, Sunday and Monday, well above that. And certainly warmer, 117 on Sunday will be the all-time record high that Vegas has ever been at. So it's incredibly substantial, these temperatures. Death Valley, all right, here is where we stand. Now no one lives in Death Valley. Carol mentioned that. She's right. It's the largest national park in the U.S., about 3.4 million acres of desert, but 128 today and 129 tomorrow, and you guys, the highest temperature ever recorded on the planet, 134, and it was actually almost 100 years ago to the date that we hit this temperature here.
[Costello:] No wonder nobody lives in Death Valley.
[Steele:] A lot of sightseeing to be done, though, you know. So but to give you some more perspective, if you order a rare steak, the internal temperature is 125; 130, the medium rare steak. So they are cooking out there any way you slice it.
[Kosik:] [Inaudible] piece of meat today [inaudible].
[Costello:] I actually was hoping Casey Wian would try an egg on do the old fry an egg on the sidewalk.
[Steele:] He probably has never done that as a reporter. So [inaudible].
[Costello:] Oh, no, never. Thanks, Alexandra.
[Steele:] Sure.
[Kosik:] Jurors are getting the weekend off in the George Zimmerman murder trial.
[Costello:] A good thing, too. It has been a busy week for them. They've been hearing from witnesses all week about what they heard or saw the night George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. Some neighbors actually witnessed part of the fight, others approached Zimmerman immediately after the shooting. CNN's Martin Savidge is outside the courthouse in Sanford, Florida, to tell us more. Good morning, Martin.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Morning, again, Carol. Yes. There were a number of key witnesses that took the stand yesterday and one of them was Jonathan Manalo, and what makes him really crucial in this case is that he was the first person to go up and speak to George Zimmerman literally seconds after that fatal shot that killed Trayvon Martin. So he is the first to interact with him, the first to even ask anything, and one of the points that the prosecution wants to make is what is George Zimmerman's state of mind, because that's crucial to try and to convict him on second-degree murder, which is why Bernie de la Rionda, the prosecutor, was very aggressively going after this particular witness, because he wanted to get at what was George saying, and was there anything strange about the way he was saying it. And the point that is brought up is a phone call this witness made on behalf of George to George Zimmerman's wife. Here is the exchange.
[Jonathan Manalo, Zimmerman's Neighbor:] I said your husband has been involved in a shooting, he is being handcuffed and he's going to be held for questioning at the Sanford Police Department. And around that time he kind of cut me off and he says, "Just tell her I shot someone."
[Bernie De La Rionda, Prosecuting Attorney:] OK. When you say he cut you off, the defendant cut you off?
[Manalo:] Yes.
[De La Rionda:] And he told he said what, now?
[Manalo:] "Just tell her I shot someone."
[De La Rionda:] Did you respond to that?
[Manalo:] Yes.
[De La Rionda:] What did you say?
[Manalo:] "OK, well, he just shot someone."
[Savidge:] And the prosecution is trying to point out that isn't that kind of an odd phone call or a way to summarize what has been just a tragedy taken place? Of course, the defense tried to come back and say, well, it wasn't that odd. But key testimony, again.
[Costello:] Well, you know, Alison and I were talking about that, and everybody I am sure Zimmerman was in shock after that happened, right? And everybody reacts in a different way.
[Savidge:] Correct. Yes. And I think that that's the point that the defense was trying to bring out, and in fact the defense came back and talked to a number of police officers that also talked to George very quickly after that event, and they said, well, did he sound strange? No. Was he combative in any way? No. Did he refuse your orders? No, he didn't. And did he sound angry? No. So that's how the defense countered and said it might have been an unusual-sounding phone call but that doesn't mean that in any way his mind was off or he was deranged.
[Kosik:] All right. Martin Savidge in Sanford, Florida, thanks.
[Costello:] Next hour, friends and family will begin to gather for the funeral of Odin Lloyd.
[Kosik:] And while they mourn him, the man accused of killing him, former NFL player Aaron Hernandez, sits behind bars along with two of his so-called confederates. Our national correspondent Deborah Feyerick is in North Attleboro. Deb, at this point do investigators know about a motive? Do they have any idea why Hernandez would have allegedly done this?
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] You know, that's exactly what they are looking into right now. The big question: did Odin Lloyd have information possibly linking Aaron Hernandez to that double drive-by murder that happened last summer? And did Hernandez fear that perhaps he was in jeopardy of losing this 50 this 40 million-dollar contract, I should say?

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] This is CNN TONIGHT, I'm Don Lemon. Breaking news, another violent encounter with police caught on camera. Look at that, this time, San Bernardino County. Take a look at this incredible video. It's from KABC, a suspected horse thief is tased, punched and kicked repeatedly by what appears to be more than a dozen sheriff's deputies. We're going to tell you what happens next. Plus, South Carolina releases dash cam videos that captured what happened in the moments before Walter Scott was shot to death by ex- police officer, Michael Slager. We're going to break that down for you. We've got a lot to get to tonight but I want to begin with the breaking news. This breaking news, severe thunderstorms. Tornadoes, I should say, tearing through the Midwest. Forecasters say the situations in parts of Iowa, Illinois and Ohio, particularly dangerous. I want to get straight to CNN's Chad Myers in the Severe Weather Center for us tonight. Chad, what I'm hearing is the Midwest should be on alert. Is that correct?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Still tonight, even though now we've lost the sun and we've lost the sun's heat, the storms are still going to go for many more hours. The storms today were like a rake. Think about raking your garden. Every time a storm comes by, it came by, it put down a tornado, one after another after another, and they got very close to Chicago. We're lucky that Chicago didn't get in the way of somebody's tornado because I'm sure, Don, we're talking about EF-4 tornadoes. I don't know if it's in the EF-5, but I've seen some of this damage and it is alarming because the houses are gone. All the way down here, still a couple of storms here, down to Champaign, moving over into Indiana, have some storms near Detroit, Toledo and also into parts of eastern Ohio, and into parts of West Virginia, but these are now the strongest storms, and for a while, earlier today, we had a very large storm that did produce a tornado near Longview, Texas, just on the northeast part of town, as it moved through there. You'll notice, there's still red here on the map. These storms are not done yet tonight. They still will go for many more hours, make sure your NOAA weather radio was on or you can buy an app or you can get a free app, put it on your phone that will actually wake you up if something happens in your neighborhood. They're easy to find and they're easy to program, Don.
[Lemon:] Absolutely. And Chad Myers says it every time. You should listen to him. Chad, let's talk about Rochelle, Illinois, if you will. You mentioned the damage. We're hearing from our affiliate, WREX, reporter Lindsey Clark, five people, she saw, pulled out of a home, and there is major damage there?
[Myers:] Not Rochelle itself. I mean, this has been an area of concern. We've been talking about this back and forth over the NEWSROOM. The storm moved just to the west of Rochelle. Maybe four, five miles. I know that doesn't seem like a lot if you live in New York City. But the town of Rochelle, compared to these suburbs, that's where the storm went through, and I know we had a reporter, a stringer that's going to talk to us about this. This was a very large, probably the F-4 tornado variety, a wedge tornado on the ground. A number of towns were seriously damaged today, and we probably will be talking about this for many more days to come. This was a very bad event out there, Don.
[Lemon:] You're looking at that's the twister that's on the ground right there, Chad, that you are looking at. How widespread is this system, and how long do you expect this to continue? You said tonight, but this is going to go into tomorrow?
[Myers:] This probably goes into 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. even local time, Central Time, so forth, 4:00 Eastern Time. This storm will still be strong enough to put down some large tornadoes. Now not thinking we're probably going to see the F-4s and F-5s anymore. The heat of the day raises the temperature of the ground. The ground raises the temperature of the air. The air wants to rise like a hot air balloon, and that's what these storms did all day. They were up in the air, they created these big storm. There are all the tornado reports that we have tonight. One storm after another. The first one was near Peoria, and now we just have one string of storms all the way up, even up toward Milwaukee, but luckily as it got closer and closer to Wisconsin, these storms into cooler, and cooler air so they didn't affect the ground. They didn't get the rotation that they have when they were in Illinois. Weather service got this completely right, this is exactly where they head. Earlier today, we talked about the risk of severe weather. That was one circle. Then there was another circle here and it went all the way to the East Coast, and that's where the convective area was today. This is where the tornado threat was today, and this is exactly where it happened today Don.
[Lemon:] All right. Chad Myers, I want you to stand by because you're looking at this video, many times we get the video from storm chasers. I want to go to one of them now. Dan Gottschalk is on the phone, he is north of Rochelle, Illinois. Dan, first of all, I want you to tell us what you're seeing but do you know anything about these people who were pulled out of the house that our affiliate is reporting about?
[Dan Gottschalk, Storm Chaser:] No, I don't really know too much about it. I know that there were also some people trapped in a restaurant there just north of Rochelle as well that they rescuing from the basement.
[Lemon:] OK. So what are you seeing where you are?
[Gottschalk:] A lot of damage, long track damage for many, many miles. It wasn't just a twister that simply dropped and then went right back up. It was on the ground for an extended period of time.
[Lemon:] How big are we looking at here?
[Gottschalk:] Honestly, it was it's at a point where it's getting pretty dark so I don't want to just go out and judge, but I mean, there is a third of a lot of damage to a lot of homes along a very long stretch that it traveled.
[Lemon:] Yes. So walk us through a bit more. You said there's a lot of damage to a lot of homes, to a stretch, and you mentioned a restaurant.
[Gottschalk:] Yes.
[Lemon:] The type of damage that you're seeing. Sometimes we see homes that are just ripped from their foundations, other times it's just fields.
[Gottschalk:] Right. Right. I mean, there were it was the whole gamut really. There were some homes that, you know, most of the walls were still standing, they lost their roof. And then there was a few that it was all the way down to just concrete. It was all that was left. It was swept clean.
[Lemon:] What time did it start did it start to get bad?
[Gottschalk:] It we were chasing it all of the way from eastern Iowa when it was going near the Quad City, so that would have been, like, 5:30 and followed it all the way over here which would have been getting closer to about 8:00 at that point.
[Lemon:] OK. Stand by, Dan. I may need you, I want to bring in now storm chaser CJ Postal. CJ is on the phone with us. CJ, where are you exactly?
[Cj Postal, Storm Chaser:] Right now I'm actually in Genoa, Illinois, about five to 10 miles east of Kirkland.
[Lemon:] OK. What are you seeing?
[Postal:] In this town, this town was pretty much missed by the cell that went to the northwest. We saw a lot of damage. We pretty much followed the tornado for about 10 or 15 minutes as it was going from northwest I should say northeast of Oregon, Illinois, and then heading up towards the Kirkland area, and heading back towards the northeast again. We lost sight of it after it came and cause some damage.
[Lemon:] Yes. So you're saying you're in Ginnilla, and that is not much damaged, it pretty much missed that town, but as you were following it, what what did you witness? What kind of damage did you see?
[Postal:] We came up to the one intersection that was severely, severely damaged. There was a tractor-trailer on top of a building. On the northeast hand side of the street, then there was also an axle in the middle of the road, it would be the northwest corner of the intersection. I'm assuming it was from that tractor-trailer. There was also a house on the other side of intersection. The house looked like it got some minimum damage but there was another building where that tractor-trailer was that looked like it was severely hit.
[Lemon:] Stand by, CJ and Dan. I want to bring Chad Myers back in. Chad, before you go with the storm chasers, we don't know about any severe injuries or deaths yet? Correct? Are there getting reports of that?
[Myers:] Right. One of the reports that I had that tells me that there is going to be is that there are houses that are missing, and there are still natural gas or propane hissing from the tanks, because the house is gone, the pipes aren't connected anymore, when that when you see that type of damage, even if you are in the interior rooms, you can still get injured. Let's start with Dan. Dan, you've chased a number of times, I've seen your videos all over the place, tell me about the damage you see to the homes and more extensively I saw you shoot a lot of trees. I think the town was Lynden Wood. The limbs were gone. Even some bark was gone. What did that tell you about the strength of the winds in that storm?
[Gottschalk:] Honestly, it must have been a very strong tornado to be able to do that.
[Myers:] Yes. CJ?
[Postal:] Yes.
[Myers:] What did you see? What kind of damage did you see?
[Postal:] I don't want to go ahead, and throw out the numbers, but
[Myers:] Yes.
[Postal:] I saw damage that was consistent with a violent tornado.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Myers:] Yes.
[Lemon:] All right, Chad.
[Myers:] And you saw Kirkland, right?
[Postal:] Yes. We actually went just north of Kirkland. We're trying to actually catch back up to it once we lost sight of it, and in one of the rural areas. We didn't get into Kirkland, we came back around to the north side of town, and then we came into Ginnilla. By the time we got to Ginnilla, all of the emergency vehicles in town were heading west.
[Lemon:] All right. Chad, and we know that there were reports of major damage in Kirkland, that we're going to check on all of that. So, Chad Myers, Dan and CJ, I want everyone to stand by. Appreciate all of you. We're going to bring you the very latest on those Midwest tornadoes as we get more information here tonight on CNN. And when we come right back, I'm going to walk you through this newly released dash cam videos both of them from South Carolina. What they show and what they don't show you. Plus another shooting caught on camera. And a black man is dead, but this story is very different. I'm going to talk to the victim's mother.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] "OUTFRONT" next, the president scores a big political win today. Does that put America closer to launching a strike on Syria? Then the drug nicknamed "Molly" being glamorized in songs and pop culture. Also being blamed for deaths. Tonight we speak to an addict who tells us why that high is unlike any he's ever had. And a judge is ruling on a taboo subject. Is there ever a time it would be OK to say the "N" word at work? The judge ruled on this. Let's go "OUTFRONT." Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, a big win for President Obama. Two key Republican leaders, House Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor tonight say they support the president's plan to strike Syria. Both were on hand today when President Obama gathered key congressional leaders at the White House to try and make his case. Clearly that meeting got the job done for some and the president's hoping his secretaries of state and defense had the same effect on Capitol Hill this afternoon. We're going to be joined by Senator Rand Paul in just a moment who was in that contentious hearing, but now Jim Sciutto, our chief national security correspondent is with us from Washington.
[Sen. Bob Corker , Tennessee:] Today you're beginning the formal request of asking each of us to make the most important decision many of us will make during our tenure in the United States Senate.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] For senators, a rare chance to debate a president's decision to launch military attacks abroad. The administration's three spokesmen all with very personal experience of war delivered the same message the world is awaiting America's response.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] Hezbollah is hoping that isolationism will prevail. North Korea is hoping that ambivalence carries the day. They are all listening for our silence.
[Sciutto:] Left to make the military case for attacks the chairman of the Joint Chiefs who had been a skeptic of broad military actions.
[General Martin Dempsey, Chairman, Joint Chiefs Of Staff:] I have never been told to change the momentum. I have been told to degrade capability.
[Sciutto:] Senators and the administration came face to face with an American public deeply skeptical of another conflict in the Middle East.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you, Mr. Secretary. The committee will be in order.
[Unidentified Female:] Don't go to war.
[Kerry:] The first time I testified before this committee when I was 27 years old I had feelings very similar to that protester. And I would just say that is exactly why it is so important that we are all here.
[Sciutto:] With that reluctance in mind the administration took extra care to clarify what military action would be.
[Kerry:] Limited, targeted effort that will not be American boots on the ground with respect to the civil war.
[Sciutto:] And would not even when Secretary Kerry for a moment seemed to open the door to U.S. boots on the ground.
[Kerry:] I don't want to take off the table an option that might or might not be available to the president of the United States to secure our country.
[Burnett:] Obviously that gets to the heart of it, you know, leaving that door open. Jim, was the administration able to change any minds today? I know we were talking about John Boehner and Eric Cantor obviously significant development there, but there are still so many who are undecided who are leaning voting no.
[Sciutto:] Well, you got a window on the administration strategy here, clearly they had something for the skeptics and that is the constant return to the sense that this would be a very limited action, in scope and in time frame, and then for those other side, Senator McCain among them, who were questioning whether a limited action really has any effect, really will make any difference. Secretary Kerry went to a broader strategy saying that it is indeed the administration's goal still to remove Assad by supporting the opposition. So, they are trying to gain both the hawks and the doves on this and at least in the committee it does appear they have the votes just based on the kinds of questions that were coming to Secretaries Kerry and Hagel.
[Burnett:] All right, obviously, a big development. Jim, thank you very much, and by the way, welcome. We're thrilled to have you here at CNN. Welcome.
[Sciutto:] Great to be on.
[Burnett:] All right, Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky sits on both the Foreign Relations and Homeland Security Committees. Obviously he was in that room today with John Kerry. And thanks very much for being with us, Senator Paul. We really appreciate you taking the time. You and Secretary Kerry got into it today during the hearing and I waited all day for it and then, of course, you delivered. Over the question of whether Assad would use chemical weapons and I just wanted to play that little exchange briefly for those that didn't get a chance to see it. Here you are
[Kerry:] If the United States of America doesn't do this, Senator, is it more or less likely that Assad does it again? You want to answer that question?
[Sen. Rand Paul , Kentucky:] I don't think it's no.
[Kerry:] Is it more or less likely that he does it again?
[Paul:] I think it's unknown whether you have the attack.
[Kerry:] Senator, it's not unknown. If the United States of America doesn't hold him accountable on this with our allies and friends, it is a guarantee Assad will do it again, a guarantee.
[Burnett:] You looked a little skeptical there. How do you feel now? Did Secretary Kerry win you over at all?
[Paul:] Well, he sounds like he must be a clairvoyant because he can predict the future now and we should ask him for stock picks, who name it, who will win the Kentucky derby next year if he can guarantee the future. No one can guarantee the future. We don't know how Assad will react and I think there's an equal argument to be made if the U.S. bombs him that it will be more likely that he launches another gas attack, more likely that he might attack his real, more likely that there will be more instability in the region. More likely that the Russians might get involved or Iran might get involved. So, I think there are arguments to be made on both sides of this, but it's not some kind of slam dunk guarantee that Secretary Kerry makes it out to be. He's overstating his ability to predict the future.
[Burnett:] Now, you said the president's request to strike probably will pass the Senate today. But you don't agree that the president has the constitutional authority to order a strike on Syria without congressional approval. You were also very clear on that. And I wanted just to play, Secretary Kerry, as you snow got very passionate when you said that to him, and here is what he said to you
[Kerry:] We don't want to go to war. We don't believe we are going to war in the classic sense of taking American troops and America to war. The president is asking for the authority to do a limited action. That will degrade the capacity of a tyrant who has been using chemical weapons to kill his own people. The president is not asking you to go to war. He's not asking you to declare war. He's not asking you to send one American troop to war.
[Burnett:] But obviously he did leave boots on the ground as an option on the table. Do you
[Paul:] And here's the thing is, soldiers, you know, or sailors, they are air force pilots, there are technicians, CIA. There are all kinds of people who will be involved in this effort. To say this is not war is just plain not accurate. To say it's a small war, well, he's starting out with a small war, but can a small war like Vietnam that he served in become a big war? No, I think he's not accounting for the fact that the constitution does not differentiate between small war and big war. The constitution says the legislature gets to decide and what I pressed him on I am proud of the president for coming to Congress, but the president says he has to say he will adhere to our verdict. He can't come to us in theatre and say, you guys get to vote but it may not count if I don't like your vote. He can't do that.
[Burnett:] Now, Senator, before we go, I have to ask you one more thing, though, because obviously high-ranking Republicans as you know have come around saying they're going to support the president. On that list you've got John McCain who wanted the president to go further, you have John Boehner, you have Eric Cantor. They say voting against him would undermine the office of the president of the United States and here is John McCain and John Boehner
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] A vote against that resolution by Congress I think would be catastrophic because it would undermine the credibility of the United States of America and the president.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] This is something that the United States as a country needs to do. I'm going to support the president's call for action. I believe my colleagues should support this call for action.
[Burnett:] Do you have any concern that your vote, which I know is a firm no, would hurt the office of presidency of the United States?
[Paul:] You know, I take my responsibility very seriously and I'm not too concerned about the president's public relations. I am concerned, though, about young men and young women who serve in our military. And I vote as if it's my son or your son going to war. I can't send them to war to fight for stalemate. I can't send them to war with no clear military objective and I can't send anybody to war when our goal is not victory. Our goal is stalemate. They've already said they don't even want to topple Assad. They just want a negotiated settlement after they blast him with a few bombs. I can't see anyone's son or daughter fighting for that.
[Burnett:] All right, Senator Rand Paul, thank you very much. Always good to talk to you.
[Paul:] Thanks, Erin.
[Burnett:] And still OUTFRONT, Microsoft making a $7 billion bet that you will want a different phone. Not the iPhone, not the Galaxy. Let's see Richard Quest has to say about it. And Japanese officials still admit there's a major problem with radiation leaking from the Fukushima nuclear plant and apparently they have a resolution that seems to come out of the fictional world of "Game of Thrones." And tonight, a ruling on whether the "n" word can be used in the work place by a judge, we're going to hear a recording for the first time of a rant that started the controversy and only gets stranger in the tale of Dennis and the dictator.
[Unidentified Male:] Keep the communication gap going as far as I could. I just want to go over there to meet my friend Kim.
[Burnett:] Our second story, OUTFRONT, Ambassador Dennis Rodman. You think that I jest but I do not. The former basketball star returned to North Korea today for the second time in 2013. It's hard enough for most people to ever get there once in their life. He raised speculation about he's trying to guarantee the release of Kenneth Bay who had been put into maximum security, working labor camps, suffered major health problems. Walking through the Beijing airport Rodman insisted, though, this trip is actually about basketball.
[Dennis Rodman, Former Nba Basketball Player:] Keep the communication gap going as far as I can, I just want to go over there to meet with my friend, Kim, the marshal, and try to start a new basketball league over there and stuff like that.
[Burnett:] Meet my friend Kim and start a new basketball league in North Korea. OUTFRONT tonight, Gordon Chang, expert on North Korea, author of "nuclear Showdown North Korea Takes On The World." Obviously, Gordon, it's hard to cover this without smiling, but it is a deadly serious subject. Second time this year that Dennis Rodman has gone to North Korea to visit his, quoteunquote, "friend Kim Jong- Un," how does this guy keep getting access to one of the most brutal dictators in the world?
[Gordon Chang, Author, "nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes On The World":] Because the North Korean regime is using Rodman for its purposes. We got to remember the first time he went there was the end of February and people thought that because of the visit that North Korea would turn a new leaf. But as soon as he left, the North Koreans embarked on this series of provocations and they had planned that. And now, you know, we've had a couple of months of charm offensive, you know, until last Friday when north when our North Korean envoy was denied permission to go there, now Rodman shows up. This is part of a plan. We don't know what the plan is, but we know it's part of a plan.
[Burnett:] Now, Rodman told Reuters that he's not going to discuss the American Kenneth Bay, who the man I just mentioned, who has been now he is a hostage in North Korea, had served time in a maximum security labor camp, horrific conditions. He said he's not going to negotiate for his release, but last week, Dennis Rodman told "The Huffington Post" that he might do just that. I wanted to play that for you.
[Dennis Rodman, Former Nba Player:] If the marshal said, Dennis, you know, you want me to let him loose? And if I actually got him loose I'm just saying this out of the blue, I would be the most powerful guy in the world.
[Burnett:] You said, Gordon, he's being used by the North Koreans Dennis Rodman that is, right? That they have a plan. Would you be surprised, though, if he were able to get Bae released?
[Chang:] I would be a little bit surprised. Because what the North Koreans want is a senior U.S. political figure or an official to go to Pyonyang so they can have the pictures of him standing next to Kim Jong-un, the ruler. Now, Dennis Rodman has no official position with the U.S. government. And so I don't think he really serves its purposes. Now, this is North Korea, so anything could happen, but I don't think Rodman will come back with Kenneth Bae.
[Burnett:] All right. Well, thank you very much, Gordon Chang. Obviously this is a fascinating story. When he said he would go back, right, who thought he actually meant it and would go back and visit him this summer? Dennis Rodman was not lying. All right. Thanks, Gordon.
[Chang:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] And now our third story OUTFRONT, Microsoft $7 billion bet. The software company announcing it's forking over $7.2 billion to buy Nokia smartphone business. Which you may say, oh, Nokia, whatever. But you know, Nokia used to be the hottest, sexiest, most amazing phone on the planet. Anyway, it's a move to attempt to revive two companies that aren't exactly thriving in the mobile phone market these days. Will the gamble pay off for Microsoft, or is it too little too late? Richard Quest is OUTFRONT. All right, Richard. Is this be enough to resuscitate
[Richard Quest, Cnn International Business Correspondet:] Well, I have the evidence! I've got the evidence in front of me because that's what this is all about. Let's start with this. This is the phone that was put together by Microsoft and Nokia. It's one of the Lumia range. People love it! Those who have used it absolutely adore it. But unfortunately, it's got no market share because, fIRSt of all, Nokia was knocked out of the park by dear old Apple with the iPhone. And then they were knocked out of the park, switch it on, so you can get a good idea of who it is, by an Android phone from Samsung. And it's left these two absolutely wondering what on earth is happening
[Burnett:] Oh, no!
[Quest:] to them. BlackBerry
[Burnett:] My BlackBerry!
[Quest:] Well, BlackBerry and, of course, Nokia. So, you put the two together, and you end up with the fact that Nokia and Microsoft had to do something.
[Burnett:] All right. So, then, so paying $7.2 billion and now having Nokia as your problem, how does that solve it for Microsoft? Which is, by the way, such a cash cow, right? Rich, successful, amazing company that is perceived as the sloth of American companies.
[Quest:] But they have not managed to get into Windows phones in any numbers. Look at their numbers, and it will show you. If you look at Nokia, every number, vroom. If you look at the share price, look at the worldwide market share for Nokia, it's on a downward trend.
[Burnett:] That's terrible.
[Quest:] Look at the United States! I mean, it's flatlining at the moment. So, in that scenario, Microsoft, one percent or something, Microsoft now has got hold of it. But this was a deal that was really done two or three years ago when they partnered in 2011. What Microsoft is now doing is doubling down more than doubling down. Ten-timing down on what it's already invested in it. It's put $300 million in. It's going for $7 billion. This is a big play to say they can do it.
[Burnett:] Well, we will see if they can.
[Quest:] And the core question for viewers is if I give you a choice very simple, there you are. Take your pick. You can have any one of them. If I was going to give you any one, the iPhone, the Samsung, the BlackBerry, the Lumina, the Nokia phone, which would you take?
[Burnett:] I don't know! I'm torn. Because I mean, I love the BlackBerry, but that's because I like the keyboard. So, I'm an old fogey. But
[Quest:] Shamelessly I'm going to promote myself. @Richardquest, the Twitter name.
[Burnett:] Let Richard know! Haha!
[Quest:] All right. I'm not going to give you anything. But which would you have if you could have one of them?
[Burnett:] All right, please tweet Richard and let him know. And we'll let you know what you vote. All right, thanks. Still to come, did the IRS target certain groups for political reasons? a lot of people have been asking this question. Tonight a special ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT investigation, the truth about IRS. That's later on in this program. And then, a just-released audiotape of an employer using the n-word at the workplace. You've never heard this before. It went all the way to court. Some claim it can be used by some people, but not by others. A judge rules. And next, how bad is the new drug molly? Some are calling it ecstasy on steroids.
[Louie Sabbatasso, Recovering Addict:] I know people who have been who are, were, you know, cocaine experimented with cocaine and heroin and have been drinking for years and years and years. And took half a hit of ecstasy and died.

[Costello:] Happening now in the NEWSROOM, the first images of Officer Darren Wilson taken hours after the shooting of Michael Brown. Plus new audio from the Ferguson police dispatcher.
[Police Dispatcher:] We're taking a stealing this progress from 9101 West Florissant. Suspect may be in the business at this time. Stand by for further.
[Costello:] Now the entire ordeal lasted less than 90 seconds. New video taken moments after the crash of MH17 in Ukraine. We'll show you. NEWSROOM continues now. And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. Foreign stocks and U.S. futures down this morning. Gas and oil prices are also falling. Japan's cabinet office says the country slipped into recession the third quarter. I'm getting really sad, chief business correspondent, Christine
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] Japanese recession was a big concern this morning. After four straight weeks of U.S. stocks rising, you're going to see pull back most likely today. Remember Carol, the S&P 500 is up more 10 percent so far this year. Three years in a row of double digit returns for stock investors. Right here at record highs last week. I wouldn't be concerned about one day here. The concern is Japan falling into recession. Slowing global growth is something we have to contend with.
[Costello:] You know, what else we have to contend with, maybe no chocolate Santa's this year.
[Romans:] This is a story everyone cares about, a global shortage of chocolate. The world is eating way more chocolate than it's producing.
[Costello:] That's a because you're depressing us.
[Romans:] By year 20 you'll have more eating of chocolate than producing of chocolate. That could produce a shortage. Here are a couple things happening. There's a frosty pod, a fungus attacking plants in Africa. Those farmers are switching to corn so they don't have to contend with it. Also, Chinese demand for chocolate is very, very strong. I mean it seems as middle classes grow, they want to eat chocolate. So you can see we've already seen cocoa prices up 25 percent over the past couple of years. They're down a little bit more recently, but still it shows you that there are these concerns that we're though making enough of it for as much as we're eating.
[Costello:] Chinese are eating more chocolate?
[Romans:] I know.
[Costello:] Oh, something else to be angry with the Chinese about. Christine Romans, thanks so much.
[Romans:] You're welcome.

[Berman:] The breaking news this morning, investigators looking at Tuesday night's train derailment in Philadelphia now focused on excessive speed as the cause. Officials say the train hit that tight curve on Philadelphia's north side at 106 miles per hour. That is more than twice the posted speed allowed there. The death toll from the crash now stands at seven. More than 200 people were injured and eight of them this morning still in critical condition. We have news this morning from Nepal hit by so much devastation over the last few weeks, at least two major earthquakes. This morning, a desperate search by foot and by air is finding no sign of a missing U.S. military helicopter. The crew was helping with relief efforts when it lost contact with the ground. Six U.S. Marines and two service members from Nepal were on board. We want to bring in CNN's Will Ripley, who is live from the base of operations for the search. He is in Kathmandu. Good morning, Will.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] John, behind me an Indian helicopter is preparing to take off and head back into the search zone, but as the hours pass with no visual sign of the U.S. Marine helicopter, they are now going to be relying heavily on the ground search, which is happening right now. There are 400 Nepalese soldiers that are hiking through very difficult terrain in the Himalayans. They are also on boats scouring rivers and mountains as they try to locate any sign of this helicopter carrying six Marines and two Nepalese soldiers. It has been missing with no visual trace and no radio communications from the crew as well. Everybody out here is trying to remain positive, but it is growing increasingly difficult. In just a few minutes from now, we are expecting the Nepali prime minister to come to the area. One of the things that we would like to ask him about in addition to the search for the missing helicopter is much of the bureaucracy that has delayed relief and assistance in getting to people here. There have been a lot of complaints from the Red Cross and other NGOs that because of bureaucratic difficulties with the Nepali government, assistance, food, water, medicines, supplies and personnel is not getting to the tens of thousands of people who are desperately in need right now John.
[Berman:] They so badly need that assistance. Will Ripley on the ground for us in Kathmandu, thanks so much. A U.S. citizen among at least 14 people killed in a terrifying hotel attack in Kabul. Three gunmen stormed the Park Palace Guest House Hotel Wednesday night trapping more than 50 people inside. A five-hour standoff after Afghan Special Forces killed all three attackers. In just the last few hours, the Taliban has claimed responsibility for this attack. The identities of the victims not yet released. A senior Secret Service agent has been implicated in the drunk driving incident at the White House is retiring. Officials say Marc Connolly, the number two agent on President Obama's protective detail is leaving the agency. That news comes just as an inspector general report on the incident is being released. The report says Connolly and a second agent, George Oglvy had been drinking and allegedly drove through a secured area outside the White House disrupting an active bomb investigation. Oglvy remains on administrative leave. I want to take a look at what is coming up on "NEW DAY." Chris Cuomo is on the ground at the crash scene in Philadelphia. Good morning, Chris.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor, "new Day":] John, three big points of focus for us here this morning. First is the idea of speed being, what was the catalyst for the crash? Investigators are going very slowly on it. The mayor here, Michael Nutter, was getting out in front of it talking about the engineer and what investigators believe they know early on about the speed. Largely in part from that surveillance video that CNN had this morning, but also from the black box. If the train was going so fast into the curve, which seems probable from common sense of how terribly destroyed the cars were. What does that mean? And more importantly for investigators, why did that happen? Is it human error or systems? You have the issue of the unaccounted for. It sounds suspicious. Investigators tell us it is not about people needing to be located at the crash scene, but the travel on trains, mismatched tickets. People who did not take the train or people gotten on and not presented tickets at the station. Whatever the reason, there are still people unaccounted. We will cover that. And there is this bigger issue, John, which is even if this train crashed because of human error. That doesn't mean it had to happen. There are safety systems in place that are not. There's infrastructure that other countries have that the United States does not, despite the money that gets dumped in Amtrak and rail system. Why? It matters. Even if this is just about the engineer, John, it matters. I would be remiss if not to mention the small window of joy I had in my day yesterday. Watching celebrity "Jeopardy" and seeing a man I have known for 15 years show the rest of the world what I have known so long. His shirt and tie decision today aside, John Berman, owning celebrity "Jeopardy." A proud moment for those of us who know you John.
[Berman:] Thank you very much, Chris. I appreciate it. Great work down there in Philadelphia.
[Cuomo:] Right here.
[Berman:] We have new information this morning about the deadly Amtrak derailment. Why investigators say they knew from the start that this train must have been speeding.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Thanks very much for watching. I'll be back at 5:00 p.m. Eastern. A special two-hour edition of "THE SITUATION ROOM." "Newsroom" with Brianna Keilar starts right now.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Anchor:] Hi there. I'm Brianna Keilar, in for Brooke Baldwin. Thanks so much for joining me. Breaking news into CNN. New evidence that Flight 370 had turned around and was traveling at a low altitude. This coming from the co-pilot's cell phone. It turns out it was on after the transponder stopped working. A U.S. official with first-hand knowledge of the investigation says Malaysia knows this because the phone was searching for service, bouncing off of a cell tower, after the jet lost contact. Coming up, we'll go live to the flight simulator for an explainer on that. But first, today, a new and critical phase of the search for Flight 370, 39 days after it vanished and a week after the last apparent encounter with pings from the plane's black boxes. The man heading up the search accepted that the batteries are likely dead now and called in the U.S. Navy's underwater drone, the Bluefin.
[Angus Houston, Joint Agency Coordination Chief:] The deployment of the autonomous underwater vehicle has the potential to take us a further step towards visual identification since it offers a possible opportunity to detect debris from the aircraft on the ocean floor.
[Keilar:] The Bluefin uses sonar to map a section of the ocean never before explored. But this is just painfully slow here. It takes two hours to even get down there. It takes 16 hours to scour just 15 square miles before heading back to the surface. And the absence of any plane debris on the surface, well that means the visual searches are soon to be called off. This is despite the fact that an oil slick has been spotted, liters of fluid from it, possibly from the plane, now scooped up for testing to see where it came from. The cell phone report adds this other layer of mystery to the question of what happened to Flight 370 and also another clue, but does it bring us any closer to the truth? CNN's Martin Savidge is inside the flight simulator with trainer Mitchell Casado. I mean, Martin, what do you make of this report?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Brianna, up until now we've had two real indicators of what the flight plan might have been for this particular airplane. The one was the Inmarsat intel that was the information that came from those handshakes once every hour. The other was from radar data that the Malaysian government reported to us. So now you've got a third level, which is the cell phone. And apparently the cell phone seems to back up the radar information we've been getting. In other words, that the plane did turn off course and it did seem to
[Keilar:] All right. I'm so sorry to interrupt you, Martin, but we're actually going to go live now to Kansas City, where a press conference is going on. The mother of the 14-year-old who was killed in the shooting at the Jewish community center. Here's her talking to cameras.
[Mindy Corporon, Mother & Daughter Of Shooting Victims:] We didn't want to hide and not let people grieve with us. So that's why we're here. And so I guess my statement would be very similar. I said I went to a vigil last night impromptu because I heard that students from Reat's school would be there. And he loved school and he loved his friends, so I wanted to be there. And so what happened is, Reat was going to the Jewish Community Center with my dad, who we called Popeye, and Reat named him Popeye and he named my mom Yayyay. And they were going to the Jewish Community Center for Reat to try out for Kansas City Super Star. And Reat's a freshman and you can try out for that program when you're in high school. And he's been wanting to try out for three years. And this is his first time to get to try out. He's been practicing and he had two songs that he was might thought he might get the chance to sing, too. The first one was "On the Street Where You Live" from "My Fair Lady". He was dressed in a coat and tie and a black shirt and a hat. He was all ready. And then if they were going to give him a chance to sing again, he was going to sing "You Will Miss Me When I'm Gone." And I was lucky enough to get to hear both of those songs before he left the house. I waited for my dad to pick him up, make sure everything was OK and I had him sing them one more time. And I got to kiss him and tell him I loved him. And I left for a lacrosse game that got cancelled then due to weather and I left the lacrosse game and headed to the Jewish Community Center. And I didn't have my phone, but at the time I didn't need it. When I pulled into the parking lot, I saw that my dad's truck was there and that the car doors were open and I wondered where my why my dad wasn't just standing there. And as I pulled up, I saw that he was lying on the ground. And my first thought was that he had had a heart attack and he was just lying there. But very quickly I realized that it wasn't that and I knew that my dad was in heaven within seconds. And I ran around the truck and I saw my son lying there and there were already two people with him. There were two men, whom I don't know, and they were holding him and I did not get a good look at him. I saw just that he seemed a little lifeless, but I did not get a significant look at him before someone named Nikki, who I'm very blessed for him, grabbed me and held me very tightly and pulled me away from the scene. And as I went into the Jewish Community Center, I saw that then I saw bullet holes in the glass. And then it started to dawn on me what had happened. And I want to thank the Jewish Community Center. It was very unreal and no one should have to go through that. But they you know, they were careful in locking down the location and it was a crime scene and it didn't feel like a crime scene to me. It was my family. I had two family members that were lying on the ground. So I felt a lot of comfort. I felt God immediately. I prayed that Reat would survive. I prayed and prayed and prayed that he would survive. But I later found out why he didn't. I know that they both died from head trauma and I feel confident from what I heard that they didn't feel anything. They didn't know what was coming. They were ambushed. So it's going to be really hard. And I wanted to tell people that last night at the vigil. This isn't easy. People keep saying, how come you're so strong? And I'm strong because I have family. I'm strong because I have faith. I know that God did not do this. I know that there are evil, evil actions. But what we do have is each other and we have love and we have prayer and we have friends and family. Our phone is ringing off the hook. People from high school and college and people around the United States and all of you here want to hear what we want to say. You know, it was a horrible act of violence and my dad, our dad, and my son were at the wrong place at the wrong time for a split second. And we want something good to come out of this. We don't know what that's going to be, so we want people to let us know if they think that something good has come from it. I talked to the transplant group today. That was not an easy call. And hopefully my son will be a tissue donor, possibly an organ donor. They don't know. He was 14 and he had his permit and he had already signed up to be a donor on his own. And they knew that. And so I answered all the parent questions and so I hope that I hear that he's able to help other people. He loved debate. He loved to debate.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, he did.
[Corporon:] He went to seven debate seven debate contests last semester. His first semester of his freshman year. And he lettered. He got his letter and he was very proud of that. And he planned on going to debate camp this summer. He made it into "Tom Sawyer" at Theater in the Park this summer. He was going to be in the cast of "Tom Sawyer." So we'll have to go see that. They'll find somebody else for his role. And then he made it into "Starlight Stars" for the summer also. So he was up and coming. But, you know what, he was with us for a wonderful 14 years. He had a really full life for a 14-year-old. And we were very blessed. And I've heard from his friends and I've talked to his best friend and they love him, too. So I hope that this is helpful to other people in the nation. I hope this is helpful to people who are grieving. You know, you have to reach to God, you have to reach to your friends and search your soul. And that's what it's about. It's about us who are living and it's about loving and caring for one another. Thank you.
[Will Corporon, Son & Uncle Of Shooting Victims:] You can see who got the strength in the family. My name is Will Corporon. That's my father and my nephew that were killed. And you know everybody wants to know how we're doing. And, to varying degrees, we're muddling through. You know, no one thinks they're going to have funerals to plan. And, you know, no one believes this will happen to you, to your family. I know that my dad would have given anything if it could have just been him. He'd have stood up and just said, take me, if that would have been offered. And that makes it so much harder. My father leaves behind a legacy of faith and family and community. He was I was just a baby when he was in college and he and my mom worked and put him through medical school. He was in family practice. I've heard from people today, you know, who said, my children, his hands were the first hands on the planet that touched my children. And I am so grateful for that. And it touches my heart to hear things like that. He touched so many. And just leaves a wonderful legacy of family. We do have a strong family, and boy it's being tested. We don't know why bad things happen to good people. Nobody does. We choose not to focus on the why or what happened or it really doesn't matter to us. The fact remains that, you know, two of the people we loved most in our life are now not here with us. And we do take comfort that they were together. And we take comfort that they didn't suffer. And we're very grateful to my parents and my sister and brother, church family and here and community, friends that they have here and all our friends all over the United States that we're hearing from. I'm happy to take a question or two if you could please just limit it to the family.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you know what could your nephew get a chance to sing? Was he
[Will Corporon:] No. I my understanding is and I've not I don't know this 100 percent, but my understanding is they literally had just pulled into a parking place and opened the doors to get out. They were ambushed.
[Unidentified Female:] Could you speak to the fact that
[Will Corporon:] Well, it takes no character to do what was done. It takes no strength of character. It takes no backbone. It takes no morals. It takes no ethics. All it takes is an idiot with a gun. So, there's no need to focus on that. I mean it could have been a it could have been a an accident on an icy road. They were together all the time. My father and Reat. And the other grandkids. I mean my dad always had one of them with him, or more. It could have been a drunk driver. It could have been a car accident. It could have been any number of things. So, for us, again, it's the tragedy is that they're not here. The other part will be dealt with by those who are going to deal with it. And really doesn't you know, that's going to play out. Our goal is to shine the light on my father and my nephew and hopefully on just the senselessness of these kinds of things. It's just there's no rhyme or reason to it. I mean that idiot that idiot absolutely knocked a family to its knees for no reason. My dad should be seeing patients today at his work. You know, Reat, if they had school today, would have been in school today studying and being with his friends. There's no reason no reason for this. And it's just a tragedy.
[Unidentified Male:] Could you could you Can you talk about the work your father I imagine your father taking his grandson to this tryout. He knew how much he loved watching him act and seeing
[Will Corporon:] The whole family loved it. Very supportive of Reat. And all the grandkids. Whether it's music or baseball or lacrosse or dance or whatever. Again, family first. I don't just say that. That's not just words. That is fact. That is the life. That is the whole reason they moved here in 2003 up here was to be closer to my sister, my brother, and their kids, to be part of their lives, because that's what they wanted to be. And that so that's he died doing exactly what he wanted. If you could ask him to pick something, if he could, you know, that, you know, probably wouldn't be far off the mark for him to say being with his doing something with one of his grandkids. Like I said before, he would have, I'm sure, given anything to just it just be him. And we all feel that way.
[Unidentified Male:] Can you talk about Can you tell
[Will Corporon:] Oh, Reat very much loved that. That was a huge part of his life. It has been since he was little. He's gotten to be in some productions in school and some and summer productions. All of you have probably seen, he was asked to sing the "Star Spangled Banner" at an event not that long ago. Very important to him. But it wouldn't have mattered if it was singing or if it was any other activity. Whatever they wanted to do is what was important to the family. And that was just what his passion was. He loved singing in the church choir. Loved singing in choir at school. We're a musical family. We do sing a lot and have for years. Holidays and things like that. And so it's just kind of a natural thing for him to be interested in. Yes, sir.
[Unidentified Male:] Could you tell me a little bit more about the bond between your father and your nephew? And in particular, what is it that they saw in each other? What connected them?
[Will Corporon:] You know, they did a lot of things together, Reat being he's not the oldest grandchild, but he's kind of the oldest of the next I have the oldest, who's 23. So the next group, he's the oldest. So they spent a lot of time with him when he was younger. Just did a lot of his early scouts with him, camping, things like that. I wouldn't say that his bond with Reat was any more significant necessarily than with any of the other grandkids. It's just that they just happened to be together be together this day. Again, I can't emphasize enough, these are active grandparents. And he still worked 40 hours a week. These are active people living an active life and a huge part of that life every day had something to do with grandkids, whether it was Reat or one of the other grandkids.
[Unidentified Male:] And just tell us a little bit more about about your father
[Will Corporon:] He was practicing a family practice in Oklahoma from 1976 to 2003. Actually earlier than that, 1972 to 2003. And they moved up to the PittsburghNavada area for a little while and then up to here. And he was an emergency room physician and then about I'm going to get this wrong, but about a year ago took a medical director job at an operational health company.
[Unidentified Female:] Now you had said that there's some other children who
[Will Corporon:] You know, to be really honest, I'm not really sure. I haven't I haven't got to visit with Reat's brother yet. You know, I know this, kids are resilient. There have been a lot of tears. It's going to be a very hard week for them. You know, and not just, obviously, the brother, not just losing a brother, but a, you know, a beloved grandfather. So it's going to be difficult. It's going to be just it's just going to be difficult for all of us. So I just want to wrap things up by saying that my mother and all the family that's in town now and coming into town and those that I've talked to really appreciate you all, the media respecting our privacy, being as forthcoming as we can possibly be. I know that when we have arrangements have been made here with Pastor Hamilton here at the church, I'm sure those will be those will be made available. Mindy has two or three charities I know that she would like, and I don't have those with me but I can e-mail them to you, that she would like to get out to have donations made in memory of Reat and my father. And I just can't stress enough that, you know, we, as a family, have been dealt a huge, huge blow, as I'm sure you can see and perhaps imagine. But we'll go on and we'll get through this and we'll always have a huge holes, two huge holes, that will never be full never be filled. You know, every day is just going to be a reminder. But we do hope that, you know, if there's any way possible that any little sliver of good, goodness, grace can come of this, that then by the sheer grace of God, it will not have been just totally, totally for nothing. So, thank you all very much.
[Keilar:] Some heartbreak and courage from the Corporon family there in Leawood, Kansas, a suburb of Kansas City. That man, Will Corporon, is the uncle of Reat Underwood, the 14-year-old who was killed at the Jewish Community Center there yesterday, and he is the son of Reat's grandfather, William Lewis Corporon. Trying to bring the focus back to the victims. The Corporon's saying that they're relying very much on faith and family. They're trying to find comfort wherever they can. The fact that the two their two loved ones didn't suffer. That they were together at the time. And they said they're not trying to focus on the why because they say it doesn't matter. And we also heard, Sunny Hostin, as I bring you in, what they called the gunman, Frasier Glenn Cross. We heard Will Corporon there call him an idiot with a gun. He's accused of gunning down these two, as well as someone else, a woman, at a nearby Jewish assisted living facility in Overland Park, Kansas, yesterday. Talk to us, Sunny, about what this means. The U.S. attorney's office said today that it will prosecute the cases as a hate crime. How does that work in terms of jurisdiction, you know, federal, local, and what kind of charges this man may face and would he only be tried once?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Sure. You know, it's likely that the federal government is going to take the lead. I mean I think that's the sense, Brianna, that we got from what they said today during the press conference. And that does typically happen. There is sort of attention oftentimes between the federal prosecutor's office and also the state prosecutor's office. But it looks like they've been working together. But the U.S. attorney of Kansas made it very clear that they are going into the grand jury, that they have evidence of a hate crime. And what that means is this will be prosecuted on the federal level under the Civil Rights Act as a federal hate crime and they have to show, and it seems like they have to pretty strong case, they have to show that the crime here was motivated in whole or in part by the offenders bias against these people. And so we have information now that he is a lifelong white supremacist, was a grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. And when you're looking at that as a federal investigator, you do have the makings of a federal hate crime case. Now, we know that there is a death penalty under federal law and so I'm sure that is something that is going to be looked at, no question about it, because you have three victims here. This seems to me to fall under a first degree premeditated murder based on bias. And the Justice Department is very well versed in those kinds of cases. My sense is that the U.S. attorney's office there will work with the Justice Department in D.C., the civil rights division, in bringing this case. But they are obviously, Brianna, moving extremely quickly because you heard during the press conference today that they had it's a four witness case. That is a very strong case. Typically when you have a murder case, you do not have that many witnesses. And if you have this history hate, I think that the government has what seems to be a very strong case.
[Keilar:] Yes, none of the victims Jewish, as it turns out, but they were at Jewish a community center, as well as an assisted living facility. And that's really what it comes down to, the intent there. Sunny Hostin, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Now, up next, we'll be back to our breaking news in the search for Flight 370. We'll have more on the co-pilot's cell phone and the signal detected after the plane lost contact. Our experts weigh in. This is CNN's special live coverage.

[Smerconish:] Welcome back. There was a major development in the 2016 campaign this week. Hillary Clinton has just announced her candidacy, but already it's embroiled in controversy. This week, the "New York Times" reported Clinton State Department approved the sale of uranium mines in America to a Russian company whose principal donated $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation. That's a contribution which was not disclosed by the Clintons despite an agreement reached between Hillary Clinton and the Obama White House. The transaction allowed Russia to control one-fifth of uranium production here in the U.S., which at the time raised alarm bells with one member of the United States Senate with whom I've just spoken. Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming. Senator, I have your December 21, 2010 letter to the president where you're expressing concerns about the sale of American uranium reserves to the Russian government. Why were you so troubled by this transaction?
[Sen. John Barrasso , Wyoming:] Well, I was concerned about America energy security and national security. We know that the Russians had been providing uranium to people across the world who are not necessarily our friends, including Iran and people in Wyoming, which is an area where significant amounts of this uranium were coming from. I was hearing from them that they wanted to make sure that this uranium did not go overseas. After all, we in continued to import a significant amount of the uranium we use for nuclear power in the United States.
[Smerconish:] Did you get a reply?
[Barrasso:] Well, it took about three months and I heard from the chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and he said, "oh, yes, we're all making sure we will make sure that no uranium leaves the country. No uranium, U.S. uranium goes overseas because we want to make sure we get reporting, if any of that, if any of that happens." Well, now we're finding out four and a half years later that that that uranium is now controlled by the Russians and is going overseas, leaving our country.
[Smerconish:] My understanding is that this transaction gave the Russians control of one-fifth of the uranium production in the United States. Are you surprised in retrospect that the administration was not more concerned about the deal that was taking place?
[Barrasso:] Well, I would have expected more concern by the administration. We didn't get it. When you consider the fact that almost 80 percent of the uranium we use in the United States is imported and now we see that the Russians are controlling about 20 percent of our U.S. uranium supplies. I think it continues to be even more worrisome today than it was back in 2010 when I wrote the letter to President Obama.
[Smerconish:] When you wrote the letter, you were expressing concerns given the approval of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Were you aware of the fact that the State Department was also signing off on this deal?
[Barrasso:] Well, I wasn't aware of any of that component of it. I wanted to go right to the president with my concerns and the response I got was from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission three months after I wrote to the president. Now we hear the other issues and what the State Department has done, what contributions may have been made to both former President Clinton, as well as to the Clinton Foundation, which is now raising so much additional interest and concern and on those issues we're still trying to connect the dots.
[Smerconish:] Given your knowledge of the way that government functions, do you believe that this sort of approval, if necessary from the State Department, is the kind of thing that would have gotten to the desk of Secretary Clinton?
[Barrasso:] Well, I would have expected that the secretary of State would have approved such an arrangement where we could see that Russia would control 20 percent of the uranium in the United States. A product that we have to import significantly when 20 percent of all our electricity, our energy comes from nuclear power. So, yes, I would have thought that this would have raised to that level. My concern primarily was for national security and energy security for our country, especially when we see the way Russia uses energy as an instrument, a weapon, a power in international activities. So, I was very concerned about Russia getting U.S. uranium, especially knowing that they do send that product to people who are not our friends and especially Iran.
[Smerconish:] What came to light this week by virtue of coverage in the "New York Times" is the fact that the uranium one chair made a $2.35 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation, which apparently was not publicly disclosed by the Clintons. Your reaction to that is what?
[Barrasso:] Well, Secretary Clinton had promised the White House that she would disclose contributions that came into the foundation, like this one, and now we know that those were not disclosed. So, the secretary has not been forth right and forthcoming in things she promised the White House. I think we're still connecting the dots, but it's a great concern and specifically with Russia where Secretary Clinton early on in her term pressed the reset button with Russia to say we'd have a new arrangement, a new, a new day with Russia. Well now we see what's happened with Russia and with Putin and taking over Crimea and incursions into Ukraine, selling weaponry recently to Iran and now we know that Vladimir Putin controls 20 percent of the uranium in the United States and has a relationship with Iran at a time that we're trying to do the president is trying to do an arrangement with Iran with regard to nuclear weapons.
[Smerconish:] "The Times" coverage also put on the front page the fact that former President Bill Clinton close in time to the transaction that you were objecting to received a $500,000 speaking fee for going to Moscow and speaking at the behest of an investment bank that had ties to this deal. Your reaction to that is what?
[Barrasso:] Well, when you look at that, that's much higher than the speaking fees that President Clinton was getting up until that point. So, it was a quantum leap in the amount of money that former President Clinton was receiving for giving his speech.
[Smerconish:] I know that you closely read that story that broke Thursday on "The New York Times" Web site. It was a lengthy piece based in part on some original reporting by a forthcoming book and then a lot of independent reporting by "The Times." What was your big takeaway?
[Barrasso:] Well, my concern of this whole thing was rules that apply for the rest of the country don't seem to apply to the Clintons. They don't play by the rules the rest of the country plays in and the Democrats have put all their eggs into the Clinton basket it seems with the upcoming coronation of Hillary Clinton. And from a Republican standpoint, a conservative standpoint, we have an incredible number of qualified candidates ready to lead this country, ready to be the top of the ticket for 2016, and it's time to change direction in this country from what we've had under Hillary Clinton as secretary of state and under Barack Obama as president.
[Smerconish:] Thank you, Senator Barrasso. Appreciate your time.
[Barrasso:] Thanks, Michael.
[Smerconish:] Let's get another perspective on all of this. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders is already positioning himself to be a progressive challenger in the 2016 presidential race and he joins me now. Senator John Barrasso was just here and he said that with regard to 2016, he thinks the Democrats put all their eggs in one basket and by now, virtue of these reports about the Clintons, the Clinton Foundation, uranium, the Russians, that basket has a hole in it which seemingly would benefit you. What's your reaction?
[Sen. Bernie Sanders , Vermont:] Well, my reaction is that the middle class of this country is disappearing and we have more wealth and income inequality than any time since the Great Depression. And my sense is that what we need is a strong, mass, grassroots movement in this country to stand up to the billionaire class to create the millions of jobs we need to demand the corporate America and the wealthy stop paying their fair share of taxes, that the Republicans finally recognize that climate change is real and that we have to address it, and that we create a government that works for all the people and not just a handful of billionaires.
[Smerconish:] OK. But respectfully the story of the week is "The New York Times" coverage about the Clinton Foundation, Secretary Clinton, uranium, the Russians and the fact that the Russian government now controls one-fifth of the American uranium supply. Surely, you have a reaction of that?
[Sanders:] Sure, it is of real concern. And I think the fact that you know, the Clintons have raised all kinds of money from people all over the world is something worth looking at. But, you know, Michael, to me it is not the story of the week or what the story of next week will be. The story of the last 40 years is a transfer of trillions of dollars for the middle class to the top 110 of 1 percent and as a result of Citizens United, a political system now where billionaires are able to buy elections, and we're seeing the results of that as a result in terms of the Republican budget, which is a total disaster for working people.
[Smerconish:] I hear you. But I think it fits the Bernie Sanders playbook to talk about someone who was perhaps able to obtain influence by making a $2.35 million contribution to a private foundation at the same time the State Department was approving a transaction allowing him and his entity to control so much of the American uranium supply.
[Sanders:] Well, if I decide to run for president, then I will make that decision shortly. That certainly will be one of the issues that I will be talking about.
[Smerconish:] All right, I promise you, I'll move on after this question. You are to help me understand Senator Bernie Sanders' mindset. I read all the clips where you hammered Senator Clinton, vis-a-vis her position on the trade deal. You are obviously making a conscious decision right now
[Sanders:] Right.
[Smerconish:] that you don't want to address this. And I don't understand why. It seems to me like it's legitimate fodder.
[Sanders:] I will address any and every issue, if I run for president.
[Smerconish:] Are you leaning toward getting in or staying out?
[Sanders:] We're going to make a decision shortly and the major impediment to me is trying to determine whether or not we can raise the kind of money that we need in this day in age, when billionaires are prepared to buy elections and it is likely that major candidates will be spending maybe as much as $2 billion. Can a candidate try and represent working families mount a serious and winning effort in that kind of climate where these candidates will have unlimited sums of money?
[Smerconish:] Does that include taking on the idea of a former president getting paid $500,000 by an investment bank to come to Moscow and give a speech while that investment bank is seeking to control the uranium supply in the United States?
[Sanders:] It will cover all issues, trust me. It will.
[Smerconish:] David Letterman is seeking to boost the Bernie Sanders campaign. Let me show you, Senator Sanders, what he aired on his program.
[David Letterman, Tv Host/comedian:] Nobody knows anything about Bernie Sanders. So here is a new segment we like to call this "Meet Bernie Sanders".
[Narrator:] Bernie Sanders is a political independent serving his second term as the junior senator from Vermont.
[Sanders:] It is called oligarchy and that is the system we are rapidly moving toward.
[Narrator:] He also stars on "Curb Your Enthusiasm" as Larry David.
[Larry David:] I'm not going to say anything. I'm going to keep my mouth shut and let you die.
[Narrator:] Thanks for watching "Meet Bernie Sanders."
[Smerconish:] I know you're a serious guy, but did you like the Letterman piece?
[Sanders:] I liked Larry David very much. He's a very funny guy.
[Smerconish:] Have you been told before have you been told before that your voices I want to see the two of you in the same room before you throw your hat into this ring.
[Sanders:] Well, that would be fun. He is I am a great admirer of him. I'm not a great fun of television in general, but his stuff is hysterical. I really do like him.
[Smerconish:] Agree with you on that. Senator Sanders, thank you so much.
[Sanders:] Thank you, Michael.
[Smerconish:] Coming up, 1.5 million African-American men are missing in America. Where they have gone and the implications will be explained by a noted American economist.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] OUTFRONT tonight, the FBI tracking a terror group that's put out a hit list of American troops with their names and addresses online calling for attacks on them and their families right here in the United States. Plus, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today shocked everyone, apologizing for his comments about Arab voters. Did he mean it? And allegations of a brutal gang rape at the University of Virginia sparked nationwide outrage. Today, police are saying there's no evidence it ever happened. Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett OUTFRONT tonight, a brutal threat from ISIS. So, the FBI is tracking the terrorists online, searching for anyone linked to an online hit list. On this hit list is at least 100 American military service members. The terrorists are calling for lone wolf attacks on these individuals and their families right here at home. A previously unknown group called the Islamic State hacking division, which says it is affiliated with ISIS, said it was publishing the service member names. Quote, "So that our brothers residing in America can deal with you." It's not clear if this group is sanctioned by ISIS or not but an FBI official says tonight at least some of its members are affiliated with ISIS. It's also believed that at least some of the American military members on that hit list have been targeted simply because they have been involved in the coalition bombing campaign against ISIS. Now, the information on them, on this list, it has names, it has photos, it has home addresses and it appears to have been taken, in part, from social media sites, including Facebook. Law enforcement officials says everyone on that hit list is being contacted. Justice correspondent Pamela Brown is OUTFRONT. And Pam, you know, the threats here are specific and horrific. What are you hearing about it?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] That's absolutely right. In fact, the big concern here, Erin, is that a lone wolf, someone who sympathizes with ISIS could then go to these addresses listed and target a service member. So, as you point out, they are all being notified of the threat. And a law enforcement official I spoke with says the FBI has been tracking the online presence of a few of these people believed to be associated with this group, the Islamic State hacking division for some time actually even prior to the publication of the hit list, of the 100 or so military members that was published over the weekend. It's not clear as you point out if ISIS leadership ordered this group to collect this information but we are learning that some of the individuals known to be part of this group are believed to be based overseas and affiliated with ISIS. It's interesting to note here, Erin, the law enforcement official noted that this concept isn't new. There have been other service members targeted online by ISIS militants. But the official said that the fact that the group compiled this list is really an elevation of the threat.
[Burnett:] That's pretty scary when you think about it, too, and then the specifics, they are talking about the horrific things they've done to behead, stab them on the streets. All right. Thank you very much, Pamela. And we're going to have the ranking member of the intelligence committee on in just a moment. But this is not the first time terrorists have targeted military officials. This time, though, the threats are very, very specific. And that's an important distinction. Shasta Darlington is OUTFRONT.
[Shasta Darlington, Cnn Correspondent:] A hit list with some 100 names, addresses and pictures of U.S. troops on American soil issued by a group known as the Islamic State hacking organization posting it online and calling for beheadings and attacks. Now, we've made it easy for you by giving you addresses. All you need to do is take the final step. So, what are you waiting for? The group's credibility is unknown but law enforcement says, the FBI has been tracking a few people involved for some time and they are affiliated with ISIS. The site has been taken down and official say, everyone on the hit list is being contacted. [on camera]: Do you think that this list poses a danger?
[Buck Sexton, Former Cia Counterterrorism Analyst:] I think this list is another danger among many that we've already seen. I think that we recognize that these jihadists for example have been putting together all kinds of propaganda and they've been trying to essentially force people into living in a state of fear.
[Darlington:] We've seen military personnel targeted on home soil before. Last year in Canada, a Muslim convert gunned down a soldier guarding a hallowed war memorial and minutes later shots erupted in the halls of the country's parliament as the terrorist was killed. In 2013, this man along with another, attacked British soldier Lee Rigby on a London street with a meat cleaver calling it an eye for an eye killing for Muslims dying. And in 2009 an army psychiatrist went on a shooting rampage at Ft. Hood, Texas, killing 14 people saying it was revenge for U.S. global aggression against Muslims. The NATO allied commander calls the hit list in attempt by ISIS to divert attention.
[General Philip Breedlove, Nato Supreme Allied Commander:] Every time they take a defeat on the battlefield or every time they are under great pressure on the battlefield, they come up with some big splash like this.
[Darlington:] The group that posted it claims to have hacked military data bases but the danger here, most of the information appears to have come from social media sites and public records. Troops and their families are being advised to adjust the privacy settings on their social media so as little as personal information is out there in the public arena as possible. And we've reached out to a number of servicemen and women on this list. Most of those we got through to said they didn't want to talk but one woman told me that she is concerned especially because she has children and they are taking precautions Erin.
[Burnett:] Gosh. All right. Thank you very much, Shasta. OUTFRONT tonight, Congressman Adam Schiff. He's the top democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. And Congressman Schiff, I appreciate you being with us tonight. You just heard our report, an ISIS affiliate with the so-called hit list targeting American troops. What do you know about the threat?
[Rep. Adam Schiff , House Intelligence Committee:] Well, we're trying to investigate how they got this information. A lot of it may have been publicly available. But if there has been any hacking, obviously that's something that we want to find out about. I think it's also the case, though, that this is just one of the increasingly sophisticated uses of social media by ISIS even more so than al Qaeda but that's a real challenge for us because it takes very little for them to put this stuff out and it causes an outsize reaction on our part. So, you know, just another example of the challenges we face in this internet age.
[Burnett:] So the situation in Yemen where obviously ISIS has been growing, much to the surprise of the Americans in many senses right, it's ending a much stronger than they thought, it's growing so quickly and the situation in Yemen is deteriorating so quickly that the United States is evacuating the last of its troops from the country. How damaging is this to the United States and security?
[Schiff:] Well, it is very damaging and unfortunately Yemen has taken a very dramatic turn for the worse over the course of the last nine months. The country is now fairly well divided between north and south. You have this chasm opened up and increasing divide between Sunni and Shiite, two rival governments now starting look alike like Libya, and then into this ungoverned space you have AQAP looking at new opportunities to expand and ISIS establishing a real threatening presence there with our diminishing footprint, it also gives us less eyes on our adversaries and that's very much a concern.
[Burnett:] And you know, what I'm curious about is that just as recently as September, President Obama talked about Yemen as a success story. Let me just play to you exactly what he said.
[Pres. Barack Obama , United States:] The strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the frontlines is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.
[Burnett:] Congressman, Yemen of course is known as a breeding ground for terror groups, and you now see this complete deterioration in Yemen. Why would the President have called it a success just months ago?
[Schiff:] Well, unfortunately, probably at the time the President made that statement it was quite accurate but things have taken a real dramatic turn since then. And I think what the President was talking about, that in the broader context of that address, though, was comparing it with a paradigm of massive American occupation like in Afghanistan and as we've previously had in Iraq. So, as he was saying, other models worked and it's worked successfully in Yemen and Somalia and it works successfully until it doesn't and unfortunately right now we have a real problem on our hands in Yemen. I would make one final point and that is, I'm not sure the answer is to go back to a massive American occupation of every space where the governance is falling apart. We just can't use that as a sustainable model.
[Burnett:] Yes. All right. Well, that's a fair point. Thank you very much, Congressman. I appreciate your time tonight.
[Schiff:] Thanks, Erin.
[Burnett:] Well, OUTFRONT next, before the election, he told supporters that busloads of Arabs were descending on the polls. Now Benjamin Netanyahu is apologizing. But does he mean it and does it matter? Plus, a college student's claim a brutal gang rape made headlines across the nation today. A police investigation says, there is no evidence yet that any of it is true. And our undercover camera show terrorists buying orphans for just $250. Then they turned them into suicide bombers. It's an exclusive investigation and it's OUTFRONT tonight.

[Keilar:] Some ex-NBA players, in North Korea for the exhibition basketball game, have left the country and are in Beijing today. One of the players, Charles Smith, talked to reporters about what he thinks they accomplished on the controversial trip.
[Charles Smith, Former Nba Basketball Player:] We all sat out to use basketball as a great cultural exchange. We accomplished that mission. All the players there and the American tourists, even our documentary film crew, I think we all agree that the trip was just simply incredible. I had an opportunity to meet with the leadership, so I will do a live interview at some point soon to discuss the culture and some of their economic strategies. We talked about quite a few things, even some of the concerns. I will do that in a live interview. But the trip was great.
[Keilar:] Dennis Rodman, who led the delegation, stayed behind for what is his fourth trip in less than a year. High alert in Russia as the nation prepares to host the world for the Winter Olympics. Even as security is stepped up in the resort town of Sochi, the FBI is sending dozens of agents to help protect athletes. There have been three suicide bombings since October and Islamic extremists have vowed to disrupt the games. In the latest incident, six bodies were found in four cars, some of them rigged to explode bombs. The games are set to start on February 7th. We have come a long way since the days when doctors and celebrities promoted cigarettes. 50 years ago tomorrow, the surgeon general warned that smoking is linked to lung cancer. Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta looks at how cigarette advertising has changed since then.
[Announcer:] Make your own 30-day Camel mildest test in your key zone.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] During the hay day in the 1940s and 50s, ads like this were common place.
[Announcer:] What cigarette do you smoke, Doctor? In this nationwide survey of general practitioners, surgeons, throat specialists, diagnosticians and so on, the brand named most was Camel.
[Gupta:] By 1950, American adults were smoking 4,000 cigarettes for every person every year. But in 1952, "Reader's Digest," then the most popular magazine, published a two-page article, "Cancer by the Carton." It was the first time a mainstream publication like this connected smoking to cancer. In 1955, the Federal Trade Commission forbade companies from making health claims about cigarettes, blocking ads like this from Phillip Morris, "Scientifically proved, less irritating to the smoker's nose and throat."
[Jon Hamm, Actor:] The Federal Trade Commission and "Reader's Digest" have done you a favor.
[Gupta:] It's a moment that helped to launched fictional ad wiz, Don Draper, on AMC's "Mad Men."
[Hamm:] We can say anything we want. How do you make your cigarettes?
[Unidentified Actor:] We bred insect repellant and tobacco seeds, plant them in the North Carolina sunshine, grow it, plant it, cure it, toast it.
[Hamm:] There you go. There you go.
[Unidentified Actor:] But everybody else's tobacco is toasted.
[Hamm:] No. Everybody else's tobacco is poisonous. Lucky Strikes is toasted.
[Gupta:] In fact, that was an actual Lucky Strikes slogan in real life. But evidence of harm became overwhelming. On January 11th, 1964, Dr. Luther Terry issued the very first surgeon general's report.
[Dr. Luther Terry, Former Surgeon General:] The strongest relationship between cigarette smoking and health was in the field of lung cancer.
[Gupta:] A strong relationship. How strong? He reported a 70 percent increase in mortality for smokers. Heavy smokers at least 20 times more likely to develop lung cancer than nonsmokers. The first warning on the pack in 1966 was a milestone, but also a major understatement. "Cigarette smoking may be hazardous to your health." Today, it gets right to the point, it causes lung cancer, heart disease, and more. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
[Keilar:] That's it for me. NEWSROOM continues right now with my pal, Brooke Baldwin.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Brianna Keilar, thank you so much.

[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Guest Anchor:] Well, eeryone holding their breath. The grand jury meets again today. We could see a decision on whether or not Officer Darren Wilson will be indicted in the shooting death of Michael Brown. What is expected this morning up ahead? Down to the wire, the U.S. and other world powers scrambling to reach a deal with Iran before tonight's midnight deadline. Can all sides come to an agreement on Iran's nuclear future in time? And a new threat after record snowfall hit Buffalo, New York. Rain and warmer temperatures have created serious flooding fears, evacuation by boat, those plans now in place. Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick in for John Berman and Christine Romans. It is now 30 minutes past the hour. Up first, the clock is ticking and the tension is building this morning in Ferguson, Missouri. The grand jury in the shooting death of Michael Brown is meeting one more time today. We could find out whether Officer Darren Wilson, the Ferguson police officer, who shot and killed the unarmed 18-year-old, is indicted. We get more now from CNN's Don Lemon on the ground.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor, "cnn Tonight":] Deb, the grand jury met on Friday and did not come to a decision. It is expected they will reconvene today and possibly come to a decision. It had been said each side or everyone would get a 48-hour notice as to when there would be a decision and when the announcement would be made. We are hearing from our justice correspondent, Evan Perez, through his source said, they may not give that 48-hour notice. As soon as they reach a decision of some sort that a representative or an official might come out and say what that decision is. Of course, we are talking about whether Officer Darren Wilson will be indicted or not in the shooting death of teenager, Michael Brown. As far as the community here, one might think that the streets of Ferguson were on fire if you look at some of the media coverage. But that, indeed, is not the case. There are still protests going on. There are still some angry protesters. Not much violence, though. A few people arrested in the course of those protests. Sometimes daily and sometimes not, usually about 30 or 40 people we're told have protests here every single night since the shooting happened. But from the media coverage, you might get a different sort of idea of what's going on here on the streets of Ferguson. Of course, people are watching very closely as to when the decision will come and what that decision is going to be. Of course, the people who are in charge of keeping everything safe here, they said they are preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. But that decision from the grand jury could come at any time after they reconvene again today. Deb, back to you.
[Feyerick:] Thanks, Don. Classes have been canceled in some of those areas as well. A close call for a "Los Angeles Times" reporter covering the Ferguson case, Matt Pearce, you see holding his head, was monitoring last night's protests in South St. Louis when he was hit in the head and knocked to the ground. Witnesses say some people nearby were seen throwing rocks. Here is Pearce just moments after the incident.
[Matt Pearce, Reporter, "los Angeles Times":] So I didn't see anybody throw anything. I didn't see what it was. Just felt like a conk on the head. As of right now, I'm not feeling woozy or anything. I think I'll make it.
[Feyerick:] In good spirits. It is not clear whether Pearce was the intended target. Nobody has been arrested for that incident. And any chance for a nuclear deal with Iran appears to be fading pretty quickly this morning. The six nations sitting at the table with the Iranians reporting that there are still serious, serious gaps between the two sides. The deadline for an agreement expires at midnight their time. So can anything get accomplished before time actually does run out? Reza Sayah live from Tehran this morning. Reza, you think about the politicians and the people and we have lost Reza. We will switch gears and we are going to talk that overnight there was a security scare at Ft. Sam Houston in San Antonio. The Army base put on lockdown for several hours last night after a driver simply failed to stop at an entrance checkpoint. The driver was in police custody. He was captured after making a run for it. A brief manhunt and an explosives team brought to the scene. Nothing was found in the suspect's car. Police say he was alone and they are not revealing why he actually did that. And in the wake of a bruising midterm election for Democrats, President Obama, well, he is acknowledging that the American people appear to be ready for a fresh start. The president appearing on ABC's this week likened himself to a used car while looking ahead to the next election.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] You know, you have some dings and
[Unidentified Male:] And you don't mind absorbing a few more?
[Obama:] No, I think the American people, you know, they want that new car smell. They want to drive something off the lot that doesn't have as much mileage as me.
[Feyerick:] Well, the president went on to say that he believes that Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State, would be a formidable candidate and a great president if she decides to run. OK, so we've reestablish the connection so let's get back to Reza Sayah, who is live from Tehran this morning monitoring these negotiations that have been going on between the Iranians and others. Reza, break it down for us. You've been talking not only to the people, but to politicians. Are both sides in favor of scaling back nuclear capability in order to lift these sanctions?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] They are not going to use that terminology scaling back, but Iranian officials here say they are ready to reach some sort of compromise. They put in place a system and arrangement where the world can verify that they are not building a bomb and in return, they want the sanctions lifted. They say there is no reason that agreement cannot be signed today. However, growing indications that the obstacles are too much to overcome and there is going to be an extension of the talks. Last night, state media is citing an Iranian official saying that that is the most likely scenario. And now Reuters reporting that the two sides discussing possibly resuming the talks in a couple of weeks in Oman, but Iran's position remains the same. They say they want a deal. Their nuclear program is peaceful. They say if you look at the past year, they've agreed according to the previous deal to stop enriching uranium beyond 5 percent. They've gotten rid of their stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium. They agreed to the broader inspections and agreed not to advance the heavy water reactor. All reasons why the Iranian official says it's the west that's inflexible, but more and more signs, if no agreement today, Deb, but an extension of the talks.
[Feyerick:] Yes, and one of the sticking points obviously is that the west wants full access to make sure they can inspect these plants to make sure that is the case and they can get a jump start. OK, Reza Sayah, thank you so much. We are going to get an EARLY START on your money. Business correspondent, Cristina Alesci is here. A lot of volatility even though it does appear to be inching up, there are a couple of dips?
[Cristina Alesci, Cnn Business Correspondent:] A couple of dips. The optimism is very persistent leading into today, which we have green across the board from markets this morning. Asian and European stocks are higher because central banks seemed to be ready to keep flooding the market with easy money which investors love. U.S. stock futures are no less optimistic. They are following that lead. Looks like another record day on Wall Street. That should sound pretty familiar. The Dow and the S&P both closed at records on Friday. Stocks keep finding, as you said, reasons to ink out new highs. Companies are spending a lot of time and money these days on their social media strategies. But it turns out Facebook and Twitter might be a waste of time. Posts from top companies reach just 2 percent of followers according to research and interaction is even weaker. So what does work? Smaller platforms like Instagram and good old fashion e-mail. E-mail seems to be a bit annoying. It is like getting junk mail at home which I hate. That is the only thing in my inbox these days, junk mail and my physical mailbox.
[Feyerick:] Yes, exactly, although at least you know what to purge first which is also good. Instagram is so fast. You are clicking and clicking. All right, Cristina Alesci, thank you so much. And aftermath of snowfall buried Buffalo, New York, the community is now bracing for a different danger. All that snow is going to melt and that could bring flooding. What to expect is just moments away.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] NEWSROOM starts now.
[Costello:] Severe weather outbreak coast to coast, millions under the gun. Massive flooding, daring rescues. The storm track straight ahead. Also, city buys hockey team new arena. Sounds like a good thing, right, except it's Detroit and it's bankrupt and it's going to cost the city $400 million. Plus, million dollar jewelry heist straight out of a Hitchcock movie. An ultraplush beach resort for the super rich now a crime scene. Has the Pink Panther struck again? And revenge oh, sweet revenge. An Oregon woman fights credit report Equifax and wins to the tune of $18 million. Put that on your credit report. NEWSROOM starts now. Good morning, thank you so much for joining me. I'm Carol Costello reporting this morning from Washington, D.C. First up, dangerous weather across the country. Roads closed, drowning deaths, and in Arizona 33 tourists who were lucky to escape death. Take a look at these amazing pictures. Flash floods literally picked up a bus, sweeping it off the road and carrying it 300 yards before it tipped over. Thankfully, everyone got out OK. In the meantime, rescue teams were busy in North Carolina where floods are being blamed for at least two deaths. Meteorologist Indra Petersons is in New York tracking all this extreme weather. Good morning, Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Slow moving thunderstorms drenched the nation from east to west with North Carolina experiencing the worst of it.
[Unidentified Female:] I can only see the top of the car, and I was like, my God.
[Petersons:] Surging floodwaters turned the streets into rivers, making cars and mailboxes barely visible.
[Unidentified Male:] I have personally never been on anything quite this difficult before.
[Petersons:] A rain swollen creek claimed two lives, the current too strong for a 10-year-old girl and a 48-year-old man.
[Unidentified Male:] The water is up and it's dangerous.
[Petersons:] Near hickory, firefighters had to rescue this woman by piggy-back, after rising waters left her car stranded.
[Unidentified Female:] It was raining so hard. I did not see like any of that.
[Petersons:] Philadelphia International Airport recorded nearly eight inches of rain in just six hours. That's a new all time record. In terminal "A," the strong storms caused the power to go out. That's not all. The torrential rain flooded the interstates, leaving cars stranded, and traffic backed up for miles. Out west, a similar story. In Arizona, a tour bus leaving the Grand Canyon was overpowered by a flash flood. The bus flipped on its side and was swept 300 yards downstream. All 33 passengers managed to crawl out a window to safety. And the sun and blue skies in Hawaii will soon be replaced with dangerous winds and heavy rain. Tropical storm warnings and watches up as Tropical Storm Flossie closes in. Some parts of the island could get six to ten inches of rain. Yes, so, it's really unbelievable, Carol, I mean, to see how much flooding across the country. The good news, that storm has pushed out of the northeast today so they're getting that break. They're able to dry out today. Unbelievable, 8 inches of rain. That is the most rain they have seen in a day any day of the year, and that's what they saw in Philly last night. Truly unbelievable.
[Costello:] Unbelievable. Indra Petersons, thanks so much. A weekend of spiritual renewal for dozens of people at one of the most visited Catholic shrines in the world, but their bus ride home ended tragically in Italy. At least 38 people were killed when their bus plunged off a bridge last night, falling nearly 30 feet into a wooded area. Left behind a trail of destruction, damaged cars, and broken guardrails. Barbie Nadeau joins us now live from Rome to tell us more.
[Barbie Nadeau, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] People who are simple families from the suburb outside of Naples, their journey home just ended in tragedy as their bus just seemingly just lost control, went over a guard rail, and ended up in this ravine. The bus itself was just shredded to bits and the people who survived, ten of them, it's just a miracle they were able to get out of there alive. Many of them, though, of course they're very severely injured and in a hospital today in Italy. And before the bus went off that overpass, it hit ten cars and those people many of those people are injured, as well. The bus seemingly didn't have any kind of brake system or steering system and investigators right now are focusing on a mechanical failure on the bus more than anything else.
[Costello:] Barbie Nadeau reporting live from Rome this morning. Thank you. The conclusion of a surfing and skating competition in Huntington Beach, California, turned ugly. Take a look. A large fight broke out. When police tried to break it up, the crowd moved into the downtown area and continued fighting and damaging property. CNN's Stephanie Elam joins us now from Los Angeles to tell us more. That looked nasty.
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] It looks very not pleasant. I'm hoping, Carol, that nobody was actually in those port-a-potties. And while we can say that there were no injuries, you cannot say the same thing for the streets of Huntington Beach. Take a look.
[Elam:] Complete chaos and near anarchy as the U.S. Open of surfing, a skate and surf event held in Huntington Beach, California, turned into madness after a large crowd gathered at the conclusion of the competition began rampaging through the streets of the mellow beach town, fighting, tipping port-a-potties.
[Alli Howard, Witness:] It started like with a fight and then it just broke out. Like, they were tipping port-a-potties and then the cops started to move in and they were throwing tear gas at everyone. Everyone was plugging their noses and coughing and dodging into stores and everyone just running down Main Street.
[Elam:] Damaging public property.
[Unidentified Male:] All I'm trying to do is enjoy my night that I paid good money for.
[Elam:] The Huntington Beach police, joined by responders from all over Orange County, were forced to shoot pepper balls that rioters, roaming the streets, attempting to quell the disturbances all around them. This morning, after eight arrests and a long evening of battling the chaotic crowds, police finally regain control, restoring some order to the palm tree-lined streets. Now, as you might have seen in all that video we showed you, is just about everyone had their cell phone out, their smartphone, and they were filming what was going on. The police in Huntington Beach are hoping to get their hands on some of that video so they can find out who they need to arrest. Carol?
[Costello:] Interesting. Stephanie Elam reporting live from Los Angeles this morning. A second body has been pulled from New York's Hudson River after a horrific boating accident. A bride-to-be and her fiance's best man went missing Friday night after their boat crashed into a parked barge. The would-be bride Lindsey Stewart was found dead on Saturday. The body found is believed to be that of the best man, Mark Lennon. CNN's Alina Cho is following that story for you. Good morning, Alina.
[Alina Cho, Cnn Correspondnt:] Carol, good morning to you. This was meant to be a celebratory cruise on the water, a bride and groom and their friends out just two weeks before their wedding. But something went terribly wrong Friday night and this boat ride quickly turned fatal.
[Cho:] The investigation into Friday's horrific boat accident that killed the bride-to-be and best man will now focus on a time line. What happened and when.
[Unidentified Male:] What we're going to do is we're going to bring in an accident reconstruction team.
[Cho:] Authorities say the driver of the boat, also a friend of the couple, was intoxicated charged with vehicular manslaughter and vehicular assault. Investigators are also looking into claims the barge that the boat hit did not have proper lighting.
[Chief William Barbera, Rockland County Sheriff's Office:] You put an immovable object that's dark in the path of recreational boaters, you have a recipe for disaster.
[Cho:] Lindsey Stewart and Brian Bond were planning to marry on August 10th. They decided to take a boat ride Friday night up the Hudson River. The small power boat carrying six people hit a construction barge near a bridge, 30-year-old Stewart and best man Mark Lennon were killed.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm the big brother but his heart was a lot bigger than mine. He's he's he was my rock.
[Cho:] Bond, the groom, and four others including the boat's driver, suffered serious injuries.
[Barbera:] They seemed very smitten with one another and very much in love.
[Cho:] At the home they shared, a make shift memorial. Lindsey Stewart's family told CNN, pray for our loss.
[Carol Stewart, Lindsey Stewart's Mother:] She is supposed to be married two weeks from today. It just can't end like this.
[Cho:] A tragic ending to what was supposed to be a great night on the eve of a wedding.
[Barbera:] Rather than have a joyful wedding, there will be wakes.
[Cho:] And this morning, we're hearing the groom is still in the hospital recovering from severe head injuries. But imagine, Carol, having this physical recovery while also dealing with the severe emotional pain of having lost your bride-to-be and the best man at your wedding. This is exactly what Brian Bond is facing right now, losing much of what is dear to him in just a split second.
[Costello:] Alina Cho reporting live for us this morning. Pastor Rick Warren returned to the pulpit Sunday for his first sermon since his son's suicide in April. Worshippers at Southern California Saddleback Church greeted Pastor Warren and his wife with a warm welcome. You hear them there. During Pastor Warren's sermon, he talked about the shock he felt when he found out about his son's suicide.
[Rick Warren, Pastor, Saddleback Church:] When Matthew died, the shock was not a day, not a week it lasted at least a month. And sometimes I still feel shocked by this thing that happened in my life.
[Costello:] CNN's Paul Vercammen has more on Warren's return.
[Paul Vercammen, Cnn Correspondent:] Carol, an emotional Rick Warren was greeted by overflow crowds and the pastor told his congregation, "Buckle up, we're shifting into hyperdrive. I'm back."
[Warren:] In the past 16 weeks, since mental illness took my son Matthew's life
[Vercammen:] An impassioned Rick Warren took his first sermon since his son Matthew killed himself at age 27 in April. With his wife, Kate, at his side, Warren told his Saddleback Church congregation Matthew suffered from mental illness since childhood.
[Warren:] We had gone to the best doctors money could buy. We had gotten the best medications. We had the best therapy. We had the best people praying. Thousands of people praying. We have an incredibly strong family with deep, deep faith. It just did not make sense.
[Vercammen:] The grieving couple's influence reaches far beyond the walls of this church. Warren is the author of the mega bestseller, "The Purpose-Driven Life." With Kate at the forefront, Saddleback Church launched a global initiative to help people who are HIV positive and remove any associated stigmas. After their son's suicide, the Warrens' new pledge is to erase any shame associated with mental illness.
[Warren:] It's amazing to me that any other organ in your body can break down and there's no shame and stigma to it. But if your brain breaks down, you're supposed to keep it a secret. Huh? There's no stigma. You get diabetes, no problem. You get heart disease, no problem. Your lungs don't work, no problem. You break a bone, break your back, your liver stops working, no stigma. But if your brain doesn't work right, why should you be ashamed of that?
[Vercammen:] Warren credits relatives, especially Matthew's surviving older siblings, Josh and Amy, with leading the family through its darkest moments.
[Warren:] I am in a family of spiritual redwoods. I mean, they are giants of faith. It is a rock solid family. And, actually, when Matthew died, Amy said, "You know, Daddy." She said, "Satan picked the wrong family to pick on. He's going to lose big time on this one."
[Vercammen:] Saddleback Church officials say that Rick Warren will not grant any interviews soon but they say we will hear a lot from him, especially as he begins his mission to remove the stigma of mental illness. Back to you, Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Paul Vercammen reporting for us this morning. Glitz, glamour, and one spectacular jewel heist. An armed robber made off with about $53 million worth of gems from a posh hotel on the French Riviera. It was the third such heist around the city of Cannes since May. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is live at the scene. So any idea who pulled this off?
[Eric Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Not yet, Carol. The Carlton Hotel is known for its glitz and its glamour. It's here that during the Cannes Film Festival you'll see the stars. So people pretty shocked that a man with a gun was able to walk into the hotel and steal millions of dollars worth of jewelry.
[Mclaughlin:] It's a story straight out of a Hitchcock film.
[Unidentified Male:] Filmed on the beautiful French Riviera.
[Mclaughlin:] One man walks into a hotel in Cannes, France, and walks out with $53 million in diamond jewelry.
[Unidentified Female:] Diamonds, the only thing in the world you can't resist.
[Mclaughlin:] The Carlton Hotel, the setting for the iconic movie "To Catch a Thief," was the site of one of Europe's biggest jewelry heists Sunday morning.
[Unidentified Female:] There was a gun, and nobody stopped him, nobody I don't know, there was nobody around. They just gave him $40 million worth of jewelry. It's just incredible.
[Mclaughlin:] Police say a robber whose face was covered by a hat and scarf threatened to shoot visitors and guests during the hold-up. Cannes, home of the international film festival, is known for its glitz and glamour. But, lately, it's become a magnet for jewelry theft. In May, a $2.6 million necklace belonging to jeweler de Grisogono was taken from a hotel party. Later that same month, over $1 million worth of Chapur jewels were stolen from a safe in the Novotel Hotel. This latest heist comes two days after a member of the notorious Pink Panther jewel thief gang escaped from a Swiss prison. However, it's too soon to say if there's any link to this incident. Authorities this morning are looking for surveillance footage of the crime.
[Donald Palmieri, Gemprint Corporation Chairman:] Diamonds are like cash. They're the most concentrated form of wealth on the face of the earth. So they can be very influential in acquiring weapons, in acquiring drugs, or anything else that we want to keep out of society.
[Mclaughlin:] Thankfully, no one was hurt in yesterday's heist and it seems to be business as usual at the Carlton hotel. Walk through the lobby and it doesn't look like anything has happened. People here, though, pretty shocked and scared, Carol.
[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] I would imagine so. Erin McLaughlin, reporting live for us this morning. Score one for the little guy. An Oregon woman has been trying to get Equifax to fix her credit report for two years now. And now, she has finally won big time because it gets better. A jury awarded Julie Miller $18.6 million. Miller's lawsuit says she contacted the credit bureau eight times about major mistakes, but Equifax never bothered to correct them. Alison Kosik is following the story from New York Stock Exchange. And I love this story.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Oh, yes, persistence, it pays off when you hear this story. Julie Miller went through quite the ordeal trying to get false information taken off her credit report wrong information like her wrong Social Security number, date of birth. You know what she said? She had accounts in collection when she had never been delinquent on an account in her life. All right. So, how the heck did this happen? Julie Miller is a common name so some information from another Julie Miller wound up on her reports. Now, Miller had successfully corrected errors on reports from other credit bureaus. But for some reason, Equifax gave her the run around. And there were big consequences for this. She got rejected for at least two loans. You know what, she finally got fed up and she sued Equifax for failure to the Fair Credit Reporting Act. It requires credit agencies to investigate any reported disputes and to correct or delete inaccurate information. Now, we did reach out to Equifax for comment and haven't heard back, but you can definitely expect that an appeal will happen with this case Carol.
[Costello:] So, everything is off her credit report now, though, right? She doesn't have it worry about that any more even though she went through all this drama, because you never know.
[Kosik:] Exactly. You don't ever know. You know what the lesson is in this, this is what I said before, you got to be persistent. And the good news is the law is on your side. It's your information, you're entitled to it under the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Each credit agency is required to give you one free report every year. Now, it's good to take advantage of that and especially when you're taking advantage of it, check for any issues. And, again, they are required to investigate disputes and correct wrong information. So, the power is on your side, you just have to be involved in your own credit rating Carol.
[Costello:] Alison Kosik, thanks so much. Still ahead
[The Newsroom:] yes, we now know Pope Francis is the people's pope but wait until you hear what he said about gays and the church. Trust me, it will surprise you.

[Costello:] A wild party involving 300 teenagers who has trashed and damaged a former NFL player's New York home while he was out of town you have heard that story before. Well, now a New York radio host is lashing out at the teenagers' parents for making threats against the homeowner Brian Holloway. Kelly Lynch writes in an open letter, quote, "Instead of sitting little Johnny and reminding him that what he did is not acceptable and then dragging him by the collar to apologize to Mr. Holloway, you chose instead to harass and threaten the victim. How dare you respond with anything other than regret, embarrassment and a sincere apology instead of righteous indignation, threats of violence and lawsuits? Kelly Lynch with WGY News Radio joins me now. Good morning Kelly.
[Kelly Lynch, Wgy News Radio:] Good morning, Carol.
[Costello:] Any responses to the letter?
[Lynch:] Oh, my gosh, yes. I posted this last Friday, and kind of went about my day. And I checked in later in the day, and it had just taken off. It has been met with such an unbelievable response. I have heard from people all across the country, and even people overseas. And I think it strikes a chord with parents everywhere who see what is happening with the way we are raising our kids and what happens down the road. It is just a sense of entitlement, a lack of accountability and a lack of responsibility, and people are angered by it.
[Costello:] You seem to be indicting all parents of the millennial generation. I mean is that really fair though? I mean, I know these kids were awful. They were so awful
[Lynch:] No, I'm not.
[Costello:] but there are many good kids in America.
[Lynch:] I know, I have a few of them. Not every kid is bad and not every parent is bad. I think the overwhelming majority of parents and kids are really good. They are trying to instill values in their kids. Kids want to work hard. They want to do a good job, but I think there is a set of parents out there who believe in being their parents, their kids' friend, instead of their parent who give them everything that maybe they never had, and so we are raising not an entire generation, but a good number of kids who feel that they are entitled to have everything handed to them. We give every kid in sports a trophy. We give we have parents who are raising kids to blame the teacher for their failing math, and we give our kids iPhones in middle school and we wonder why they want everything handed directly to them. They don't have to work for it.
[Costello:] Well, you know, this problem has been going on for quite some time. And everybody thinks oh parents are changing, and this is the year that they are going to change. Why aren't parents changing, because they don't seem to be?
[Lynch:] Well, I think it is very easy. It is easy to be a lazy parent and say, "Oh, you want the iPhone, here you go." It is easier to buy the iPhone than listen to your kid complain about it for days and weeks and months until they get it. So I think part of it is lazy parenting. But I think the other part of it is we're just seeing this generation of kids that's growing up and expecting things, because they have gotten it all along. And so that is what we see with the Holloway case is that they felt entitled to break into this man's house and entitled to have a party there and there are no repercussions. Their parents weren't holding them accountable. If I had done that when I was in school and not to say I never made mistakes as a teen, because I certainly did but my parents held me accountable. And I would have never dreamed of anything else than expecting to be marched up there and apologize and do my part in cleaning up. Instead these kids are making threats and their parents aren't holding them accountable, and it has made a lot of people really angry because it is so symbolic of what is happening in parenting these days.
[Costello:] So Mr. Holloway he has been very generous through all of this. He says, you know, come on apologize. Help me clean up my home. Of course only five of the teenagers showed up, but do you think that he should have went another route in these times?
[Lynch:] Well, you know what; I have to say he was an incredibly gracious man in doing what he did. I don't think I would have been able to rise to that. And I think that is probably what has everybody so angry. If it had been a party at some house, we probably wouldn't even be paying much attention to it. But because this man went so far out of his way to say "Hey, listen, I'm not going to press charges, I want you all to come and help clean up. Let's use this as an opportunity, a teachable moment so to speak, and use this as an opportunity to look at ways we can better spend our time than drinking and doing drugs and whatever." And what they did instead of saying, you know what; you are right, let's take advantage of this opportunity, they instead their parents went and started making threats against him and threaten lawsuits for putting their pictures on Twitter and Instagram. And I think we've lost sight of what this guy had in mind. He wanted to help these kids. And instead, we are seeing this kind reaction. And now, because they didn't step up and take responsibility, we are starting to see them being charged. We saw six kids charged on Friday and they expect to have more. When all is said and done, it's going to be the largest round up of criminals in this county, because they didn't step up to the plate and accept responsibility from day one.
[Costello:] I must say, I'm so glad because that is just it's just despicable. Kelly Lynch thank you so much for joining us this morning, we appreciate it.
[Lynch:] Thanks, Carol.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, fed up with paying all those bank and the ATM fees? Well, you're certainly not alone. According to a new report, those charges have been climbing for 15 years straight.

[Announcer:] Tonight on UNGUARDED WITH RACHEL NICHOLS, unbearded. Some Red Sox players kept their World-Series-winning beards, while others shaved.
[Dave Ross, Boston Red Sox Player:] I was like, what did I just do?
[Announcer:] Unhappy. Two years ago the Blade Runner Oscar Pistorius was a hero the world over. Now he's on trial for murder.
[Unidentified Male:] He took a gun, and he shot this girl Reeva Steenkamp; and she is dead now.
[Announcer:] Unmatched. A girl set a school record for most wins on the wrestling mat, every one coming against a boy.
[Julia Ernst, Wrestler:] They're coming into the mat with this sense of superiority. Those are the ones that are going to go out on the corner or have parents that come and yell at them.
[Nichols:] Welcome to UNGUARDED. Last fall, the Boston Red Sox didn't just become World Series champions; they became a phenomenon. The bushy beards, the free- spirited approach, the way they uplifted their city in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings. Even Yankees fans were impressed. Now spring training has arrived, and the boys are back. I spoke with three of the players who make up the heart of that Red Sox clubhouse: Jonny Gomes, Mike Napoli and David Ross. What's it like to be all back together again?
[Johnny Gomes, Boston Red Sox Player:] You know, as cliche as it sounds, it was like being away from your family for four months. It's good to be back in the little the little safety nest that we've built.
[Nichols:] You seem so close.
[Ross:] I'll be talking to these guys, you know, hopefully when I'm 70, if they're still alive.
[Nichols:] I like that. You think you're alive.
[Ross:] Yes.
[Nichols:] Your manager, John Farrell, says that he had to do a little bit of a double take, though, when he walked back in the clubhouse, especially seeing the difference. We got the side by side of Jonny here. I mean, you know, this is not the same person when you look at the side-by-side photos.
[Gomes:] We're in free agency here, you know. So I had to shave some years off, you know. So yes, the whole thing was a setup.
[Nichols:] Did anybody have to say, "Wait. I don't quite recognize you?"
[Mike Napoli, Boston Red Sox:] Yes. I had to pick him up on one of the first days, and I was driving. I couldn't even look at him. I wanted to talk to him, but I was like I was like driving and looking out the side and look at him and it was just different.
[Nichols:] You didn't shave. You trimmed a little bit, but you didn't shave.
[Napoli:] I mean, I like it. I don't know. It's just it's part of me, and I mean, I don't think I have a wife like these guys.
[Ross:] I did shed a tear when I cut mine off. I was like, man, what did I just do? It was a lot of work to get that thing where it was.
[Nicholas:] Did you think if you hit a rough patch in the season, maybe the beards are going to start to come out again?
[Gomes:] No. I mean, there was a couple of rough patches with the beards, you know? So I mean, we didn't want to take it off. But...
[Napoli:] My career is a rough patch.
[Gomes:] Yes. I mean, I tell you what, at the end of the day, you know, it is time to turn the page on the beard. I mean, there are some great athletes and ball players behind these beards.
[Nichols:] You guys had so many reasons to need the beards for team unity. You have those things to bring you guys together. And then of course, the Boston Marathon bombing so early in the season. What do you remember about that day and how the news kind of filtered to you?
[Napoli:] The first thing that came to my mind is somebody left the gas on or there was an explosion or electrical box blew up. Everybody's on the bus. We're trying to call our families. We didn't know what was going on. Cell phone's not working. It was just a weird feeling. We didn't really know what to do.
[Gomes:] We had two buses going this way and just getting past by fire trucks and ambulances and police cars.
[Nichols:] You guys were heading out to Cleveland.
[Unidentified Male:] We were going to Cleveland.
[Gomes:] And obviously the bombing explosion, and now we're getting on an airplane, the one thing that you fear the most if you're in the air.
[Ross:] And then, by the time we got to Cleveland, I've never seen as quick of a turnaround of a group of guys. I mean, the responsibility that we felt as a team to come together and hey, like this is a tough time, let's go out here and show them what the Red Sox are all about and let's represent Boston in the right way.
[Nichols:] You guys represent Boston in such an intrinsic way in that fact that you were there, day after day. Baseball happens every day. You were something reliable that people could hold onto.
[Napoli:] We were going out there to do something good so they could get their minds off of it for a couple of hours.
[Gomes:] And I thought there was a good chance after that bombing, like you know, civilian, coming to the game, "Oh, I don't want to go to the game; it's not safe." I mean, that thing was just packed. That northeast, that Boston area, they don't shy away from anything.
[Nichols:] And after you guys won, of course, one of the great traditions in Boston, the duck boat parade. And you laid down at the marathon finish line that trophy.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, I mean, that was unbelievable. God bless America
[Gomes:] There's not many championship parades that, you know, come to a halt. The fact that we put that World Series trophy, kind of put a Band-Aid on that area and the bad thoughts. I mean, now people can walk into that area and be like, that's where we put the World Series trophy, versus that's where the bomb went off. You know? So I think that was extremely important for the city.
[Ross:] And it was a moment that, during our celebration and all the parade and everybody screaming for us, everything stopped. Like I said, this is what it's really all about. This is how important this was to us.
[Nichols:] And you guys are going to be playing again when they run the Boston Marathon again. And just a few weeks from now. It's a tradition in Boston. Patriots Day, they run the Marathon. The Red Sox play. That's how tied up you guys are in that event. What do you think that's going to be like?
[Gomes:] It's going to be a lot. It's definitely going to be a lot. I know for me personally, I'm about the non-runner of any of the guys on the team. And if I wasn't playing baseball, I would want to run. That's how that's how, like, I feel tied to this city and this marathon now. I would want to be part of what's going to go on there.
[Nichols:] When they do run the Boston Marathon next month, the start is going to be timed for the leaders to pass by Fenway right around the fifth inning. Don't be surprised if you see some of the players turn around and wave. All right. Coming up, we will have much more from the Red Sox, including just what led to this from late-night talk show host Jimmy Fallon.
[Jimmy Fallon, Host, Nbc's "the Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon":] Thereby earning your new nickname, Mike Nipoli.

[Costello:] We're getting a clearer picture of how data thieves hacked into Target and stole credit card and personal information from at least 10 million shoppers. It may have all started with a malicious phishing e-mail, the very kind we're all warned against opening. Christine Romans is here with details. So a single e-mail may have caused this?
[Romans:] Look, how many times have you seen something from somebody you don't know or something from somebody you know that's a weird link or so that's how they get in there and steal your stuff. New details on the entry point for that target hack and how it was something like that, malicious malware moving through the Heating and AC Company and right into Target's inner sanctum. This is from a security expert who first revealed the Target hack. The trail leads to a Pennsylvania company that's a vendor to target. That vendor was the unwitting door into the personal information of 110 million Target customers. Here's how it worked. That's the new part here. A phony e-mail laced with malware sent to employees at that Pennsylvania company. Apparently workers opened that e-mail. The malware affects their computers, worms its way into the company's records. It has a door way to Target because it's a vendor. That's how it gets paid. Hackers steal the Target credentials from the company and feast on the information of Target customers. It raises serious concerns, Carol, how about secure these connections are between companies and how easily your payment information can be hacked. I've got an update for you on another hack too, Carol, that hotel hack at Marriott and Starwood Hotels last year. We're learning more about that one too. That hack was not the information you gave at the front desk, but the restaurant and gift shops apparently, those vendors is how they got through there. Another example of how it's the Wild West with information Carol.
[Costello:] Christine Romans, thanks so much.
[Romans:] You're welcome.
[Costello:] Checking other top stories this morning at 20 minutes past. Despite widespread condemnation of Russia's antigay laws, President Putin is not backing down. Putin's prime minister just signed a resolution that bans same-sex adoption, not so surprising. But get this, the resolution also bars single people from adopting Russian children if they come from countries where same-sex marriage is legal. Their sexual orientation does not matter. Sixteen roller coaster riders now safe on the ground after they were stuck in the 60 feet in the air for three and a half hours. It happened at Bush Gardens in Tampa. According to CNN affiliate, WTSP, the Cheetah hunt coaster broke down just as the train was coming back to the station. Fire crews managed to get everyone off safely. Still no word on why the ride broke down. Comcast has agreed to purchase Time Warner Cable in a deal worth $45 billion. The sale would join two of that nation's largest cable providers and would mean that more than a third of U.S. paid TV subscribers would get their service from a single company, Comcast. The deal is expected to face tough scrutiny by regulators. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Mitch McConnell is the top ranking Senate Republican. So why did he join forces with the Democrats on a critical vote on the debt ceiling? We'll have the report from Washington next.

[Sara Sidner, Cnn Correspondent:] Now we know that there are two officers who were hit, one in the arm, one in the face. They are both in serious condition. They have nonlife-threatening injuries, which is the good news of this morning, because a lot of people were going in the face, my goodness, what's going to happen? So, it looks as though they will both survive this. We do not know the extent of the facial injuries. But a lot of people worrying about the fact that this is another bit of violence after all that has happened here, especially since the police chief just resigned.
[Sidner:] Breaking overnight, two police officers in St. Louis County shot outside the Ferguson police department. A night of protest in Ferguson winding down when shots rang out.
[Unidentified Male:] Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening.
[Sidner:] Witnesses report hearing multiple shots and seeing one officer down.
[Unidentified Male:] Bullets went right past my head, it's kind of traumatic I'm still kind of in shock because of it.
[Sidner:] The injuries are serious. One St. Louis County officer was shot in the shoulder. Another officer, a Webster Groves officer, shot in the face.
[Jon Belmar, St. Louis County Police Chief:] These police officers were standing there and they were shot. Just because they were police officers.
[Sidner:] Earlier, police drew their guns during a scuffle between protesters. Police making multiple arrests. Some protesters cheered at the resignation of Police Chief Tom Jackson. For others, it comes too little, too late, demanding the entire Ferguson Police Department be disbanded.
[James Knowles, Mayor Of Ferguson:] The chief's resignation is effective March 19, 2015.
[Sidner:] His resignation comes on the heels of a scathing report from the Justice Department, slamming Ferguson officials for widespread racial bias and targeting African-Americans. Jackson now one of the six city officials gone after the DOJ's damning report. Some are calling for Mayor Knowles to be next. He says he won't budge. For now, a nationwide search for a new chief of police is under way. So we now know some details about the officers who have been injured here. A St. Louis County officer is 41 years old, a 14-year veteran of that department; and the Webster Groves officer is 32 years old and a seven-year veteran on the force. Again, both in serious condition. A lot of folks hoping that they'll recover from this and it appears that they will.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Now let's add onto our reporting with somebody who was there. We have DeRay McKesson. He's an eyewitness to the shooting, and he flows the protests well. You've spent a lot of time there, DeRay. What did you see? Take us through it.
[Deray Mckesson, Eyewitness:] Yes, I heard about four shots. I was at the base of the hill. I looked over, and I saw an officer fall. And I saw officers surround that officer and call for an ambulance. Immediately after the shots rang out, the officers fled. Like, the officers broke the line, and they immediately got behind anything they could. Whether it was the wall or a car. And especially into everybody drew weapons. Like it was rifles. It was hand guns. Every weapon was drawn. I mean, the protesters were actually disbursing when the shots were fired. The people were going home. It was like the end of the night. The protestors, like, went to their car. Like when the shots came out.
[Cuomo:] I mean, DeRay, you obviously understand why the officers drew their weapons when there was active gunfire going on, right? It's not as if that was a provocative tactic. You say that there were four shots. Anybody else hit? Or was it just the officers?
[Mckesson:] No it appears to have just been the officers. They were yes, just the officers. I do understand why the guns were drawn after they were shot.
[Cuomo:] And the idea of where these shots were coming from, that hill, Sara Sidner obviously familiar with gunshots from there in the past. I have seen gunshots come from there in the past. What was the set-up before? Were the officers advancing up that hill? Was there any altercation around that hill? Any set-up for this?
[Mckesson:] No, nobody was around the hill at all. And like I said, the protesters were disbursing, the police officers were forming a line sort of protecting the entrance to the police department driveway. And then the protesters were across from them at the street. So there was nobody close, no protester remotely close to the hill at all. And I was at the base of the hill in my car. And I was close to the hill. And I saw nobody. Like when I looked up, I didn't see anybody drive away. I didn't see anybody run away.
[Cuomo:] Right. DeRay, do me a favor. Turn down your television or whatever is in the background so that we hear you a little bit more clearly. Because this is important information that you're giving us. So what we're trying to figure out here is, you know, they're investigating it actively to find out who did the shooting, obviously. You don't want to falsely blame the protesters. But you say it was breaking up. So people were disbursing, so it's hard to know if this was just an opportunist or some bad apple who had been among the protesters. You can't really know what group this shot came from, right?
[Mckesson:] What I do know is, like, the hill is not a place that protesters park, right? Like it is far from where the protesters protest. So I don't have any indication that leads me to believe that this is a protester who did it.
[Cuomo:] Right. And look, it doesn't really matter who did it. It was horrible. These men and now their families have to deal with this, and obviously, it doesn't help the community. This hill, do you think that it's just a high-ground opportunity for people to shoot down? Is that why we've seen it several times? Or is there anything you've learned from being in Ferguson about the community up that hill or who may hang out up that hill?
[Mckesson:] You know, think this is just an opportunity. I think the people have been looking to discredit the protesters for a long time. I don't know. We have not we do not protest on or near the hill, right? We are at the base of the hill. Firmly in the lot across the street. So you know, it is important that we talk about this not being protesters, because Belmar suggested that the shooter was embedded with the protests. And that just isn't there's no indication that that is true.
[Cuomo:] Right. But you know, it's one of those tricky situations with light facts, DeRay. You say there's no indication that it's true. There's no indication that it's not true. And they're going to have...
[Mckesson:] I prefer no speculation, and like, especially from a police chief who did not see any evidence or talk to any witnesses when he made that statement.
[Cuomo:] Right. But again, you don't want to fuel discord, right? All we know is the absolute. That officers were hit. Who did it, someone in the area, on that hill? Were they in the protest? Does that mean they're part of the protest? All of that will come later and is somewhat beside the point. Because what you want there is progress with this community. We keep showing video of a fight that broke out. Do you know anything about that fight? Did it come after the shooting? Was it any way relevant to any disagreement within the protest? What was it?
[Mckesson:] It came well before the shooting. Last night was the 215th day of protest. You know, there people are starting to work out some disagreements that they have. Yesterday was one where people in the community needed to talk through some things, and it happened in a way that wasn't as productive as it could be. I'm hopeful that those people will get together on the side of the protest to work through their issues. It had nothing to do with anything related to the rest of the night. There was at least, like, two hours. The shooting came, like, at least two hours after that.
[Cuomo:] So as far as you know as far as you know, that could have just been locals who had beef with each other who got into a fight. It wasn't some conceptual thing. Because we do see people who look more like part of the organizing principle of protesters trying to separate them and move both men away.
[Mckesson:] Yes. It was definitely people who have like some internal other issues to work through.
[Cuomo:] So now what does this mean to the community? Do you think you'll see outrage by the protesters for this violence against police officers? It does seem as though the cops were targeted, right? If you heard four shots, but only cops got hit.
[Mckesson:] You just said that this is, like, too early to speculate, right? So I don't know what happened. I do know that officers were shot. In terms of what this means for the overall protest that we remain consistent in our nonviolent approach to protest. And that has not changed. It is not clear that the person was a protester. And we don't advocate violence towards the police. We don't advocate violence from the police toward unarmed people. We can live in a world where, like, people aren't getting killed, whether the police are killing them or people are shooting at the police.
[Cuomo:] Well, I think that's an important point to emphasize. Because we did hear a voice pick up when this happened, of people saying, "Hey, you know, if there had been an admission eight, nine months ago, this would have never happened." What is your position as a protester who wants change in that community, about whether or not any violence towards police is ever warranted?
[Mckesson:] So it's not warranted, right? Violence in and of itself, like, doesn't need to exist. So we think about St. Louis, there's a place where seven people have been killed by the police since August, an average of one a month. Like that is that's wild, right? And that's the context in which we protest. So so that violence shouldn't exist, either, right? There's like no reason for that to happen. And no, we don't advocate violence towards police officers at all. We would have been home tonight, we would not have been in the street if Mike Brown had been alive, if Kajieme had been alive, if Vondera had been alive, if Antonio had been alive. We are protesting for a reason. We would not have been out there if they had not been violently killed by the police.
[Cuomo:] Understood. But obviously, everybody should be in agreement that violence towards police officers is nowhere near an answer to this situation. DeRay McKesson, thank you very much for your perspective. We'll talk to you again.
[Mckesson:] Yes, bye-bye.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Sara, you've been here listening to all that, and you've been in Ferguson since Michael Brown was shot. You've basically been living there and reporting for the past month. Had the protests died down and then last night erupted again? What has happened in the past week?
[Sidner:] There have been protests that have gone on. They have not been every single day as large as they were for more than 100 days after August. So from August through November, we really saw a protest on a daily basis outside of the police department. But kind of all over the place that happened in St. Louis, that happened in different places, it happened in Clayton. So we saw the protests every single day. Those have died down. So not big crowds. This one was a lot bigger. But there was something that precipitated it. Something happened. And any time something happens, whether the protesters agree with it or don't agree with it, they go out to the department and make their voices heard.
[Camerota:] The police chief resigning is what precipitated this last night?
[Sidner:] Yes. Absolutely.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] But the thing that's so interesting is that one of the things that protesters have been asking for is change in the structure of Ferguson. So that is what's happening. Maybe not the timeline that people are asking for or necessarily the heads rolling that they were asking for. We don't know. But one of the things that I want to know is, is the face of these protesters changing? A hundred days in, has the group changed significantly, the make-up of this group of people?
[Sidner:] I wouldn't say that. I think there are some very core people who help organize. And it is very much social media-driven. I get texts, so I knew there were going to be people down there, because people were texting saying, "Everyone meet down at the police department tonight. This is going to be big. We want to make our voices heard. We want to, you know, say something about the chief going." And so they are very organized in that way. But it's not as if there is one person that's a leader and that's the only person, and everybody follows that. It is very social media- organized. And so you see a lot of these people coming, because they're on these lists and these texts and these e-mails and Twitter. I do want to say one thing. We cannot say overall that the entire community wanted to see the police chief gone. That's not true. And I've talked to both black and white citizens in Ferguson, who have said, "Actually, I don't have a problem with the police department." And so we need to make that clear. Because there are some people that are, like, "We want to keep our department the way it is. We know there's a problem, but we do not want to see it dissolved."
[Cuomo:] And there are a lot of outside factions that have come in and are using it as an opportunity for good, bad, and otherwise.
[Camerota:] That's true. So again, the news this morning: two police officers in serious condition after being shot there in Ferguson. Sara, thanks so much. We'll check back in with you throughout the show for all the developments. Meanwhile, another public embarrassment to tell you about for the Secret Service. Two senior agents suspected of crashing a car into a White House barricade after a night of partying. One of those agents is a member of the president's personal protective detail. Let's get the latest developments from CNN's national correspondent, Sunlen Serfaty. She is live at the White House. What do we know, Sunlen?
[Sunlen Serfaty, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, Alisyn, this of course, is the agency responsible for protecting the president, and these are two high-level agencies. One holds the No. 2 position on the president's personal security detail. Now, this incident unfolded last Wednesday evening, when allegedly these two agents were drinking at the retirement party of a colleague at a bar here in Washington, D.C. They got into their government vehicles. Then they apparently had an altercation here on White House grounds and crashed through a security barrier. Now at the time, a uniformed police officer on the scene, he wanted to make some do sobriety tests and potentially even make some arrests. But that's when a supervisor stepped in. He intervened, and he let these two agents go. Now the Secret Service tells us that now these two agents have been reassigned to nonoperational positions. And the Homeland Security Department has already launched an investigation. The chair of the House Oversight Committee says, quote, "The fact that this event involved senior-level agents is not only embarrassing, but exhibits a clear lack of judgment in a potentially dangerous situation." Administration officials say that President Obama has been informed of the incident. He's in support, they say, of a full investigation. But all of this, of course, comes as the agency is trying to clean up its image after a long string, Michaela, as you know, of many scandals.
[Pereira:] Yes. Not the black eye that this agency needs right now. All right, Sunlen, thank you. This morning, Iran's supreme leader lashing out at the six nations negotiating the nuclear deal with Tehran. Ayatollah Khamenei accuses the P5+1 of deception, trickery and back-stabbing. This a day after Secretary of State John Kerry reacted to the letter from 47 Republican senators threatening to reverse any deal. Secretary Kerry was anything but diplomatic, saying he was in utter disbelief. So many developments to get to. Let's get straight to Joe Johns. Good morning once again.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] Good morning, Michaela. Another real indication this morning how the relationship between the administration and Republicans in Congress could get worse before it gets better. The secretary of state appearing before a Senate committee, talking about the president's request for authorization of use of force against ISIS. But the dialogue about side issues, the regional checkerboard, the strategy, Iran, Kerry said a nuclear agreement with Iran would not be legally binding, but would have enforcement mechanisms. And when Kerry asked about that open letter to Iran signed by 47 Republicans, he issued a blistering critique of it, claiming the letter told allies anyone seeking agreement with the United States would have to negotiate with all members of Congress. Listen.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] My reaction to the letter was utter disbelief. During my 29 years here in the Senate, I never heard of, nor even heard of it being proposed anything comparable to this.
[Johns:] The Republican chairman of the committee upbraided Kerry for making what amounted to a prepared speech during what was supposed to be testimony before the committee. Senator Rand Paul said the letter was actually a message to the president, to obey the law Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Joe Johns, thank you very much. We have other news for you breaking overnight. Joint Iraqi forces say they are winning against ISIS. The head of a key paramilitary force telling CNN Iraq now controls 75 percent of the ISIS stronghold of Tikrit. The rest still being held by about 150 terrorists hiding among the population. This is an ongoing offensive to seize control from ISIS, which captured Saddam Hussein's home town last year.
[Pereira:] Some breaking news for you out of Bangladesh. Reuters is reporting up to 100 cement factory workers are trapped in a building collapse there. They were reporting four people dead; 40 people have been pulled so far from that rubble. Let's show you where it happened, in Mongala, about 200 miles southwest of the capital of Dhaka at a factory reportedly run by a subsidiary of the Bangladesh army. Details are just coming in. We're going to continue to work this and bring you more details throughout the day.
[Camerota:] OK. A big update now on a story that got a lot of attention yesterday. A teenager in Washington state arrested after this brazen kidnapping attempt. Remember this incredible video that we showed you yesterday? It turns out this is a 15-year-old running down the street with a toddler in his arms. The child's siblings, you'll remember, along with two other teenagers, ran after the suspect, who then put the baby down. Fortunately, the child was not hurt. No word yet on the suspect's motive.
[Pereira:] A 15-year-old child? A 15-year-old?
[Cuomo:] The situation didn't seem right from the beginning. There's something odd in this story.
[Camerota:] Yes. We need to know the back story, and we will bring that to you as soon as possible. Meanwhile, a new black eye for the Secret Service this one involving agents who may have been drinking and driving. One of them a top bodyguard for the president. What needs to be done to fix that agency?
[Cuomo:] Another new low for ISIS. We're now hearing an Australian teenager they just recruited carried out a suicide attack. Why would any western teen line up with this?

[Walker:] And these are your world headlines. Heavy rain in Hong Kong did not deter thousands of protesters who are blocking a main downtown highway. Demonstrators are demanding the resignation of Hong Kong's top official and they want Beijing to give up its veto power over candidates in the next election. Hong Kong's chief executive says the protest will not change Beijing's position. Police in Baghdad say ISIS fighters attacked Iraqi army patrols and checkpoints just 12 kilometers south of the capital. At least eight Iraqi soldiers were killed. Now east of Baghdad, however, Iraq's defense ministry says Iraqi forces have ousted ISIS from 16 villages in Diyala Province. Afghanistan's new government has signed a long delayed agreement on a U.S. troop presence. The bilateral security agreement allows foreign soldiers to stay behind the end of 2014 when the international mission officially ends. Former President Hamid Karzai had rejected the deal. Let's get more now on the Hong Kong protest. Kristie Lu Stout joins me now live from the city's famous Harbor Front. And Kristie, I know we were saying that the rain did not deter the protesters. Your live shot, it got a bit hampered. It's good to have you back.
[Kristie Lu Stout, Cn N International Correspondent:] That's right. Thank you very much indeed for that. The rain is not hampering the protesters here. In fact, scores of pro-democracy protesters are spending another night on the streets of Hong Kong. They are not deterred. They are braving the elements. There was a sudden downpour about half an hour ago. They were also braving the ire of Chinese authorities. Now the protests are taking place in multiple locations across the territory here across the harbor there in Admiral T, that's where Ivan Watson has been reporting, that is where he experienced being tear gassed over the weekend. Now the protests are also taking place here in Kowloon in Mong Kok, not far from my position. In fact, Nathan Row, the famous shopping district, is effectively closed off in certain parts because of the amount of protest activity there. Now you heard it time and time again what they want. The protesters, they want full universal suffrage. They also want the embattled leader of Hong Kong CY Leung to step down. Now earlier today CY Leung said that China will not compromise, China will not back down, and in fact Chinese authorities called these protests illegal. But if you talk to the demonstrators, they're not going away any time soon as Andrew Stevens found out.
[Unidentified Female:] Definitely I think the main target is to have democracy, a true democracy. And for more detail, this is a very important time for Hong Kongers to have a really true democracy system like we should not accept a political reform that has a selective system.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn International Correspondent:] OK, so you want full universal suffrage for the nomination of the candidates and the election. We've seen the police response with pepper spray and tear gas once. Does it worry you that it could happen again, or it will happen again?
[Unidentified Female:] Of course I'm afraid that it will happen again. And I'm not sure [inaudible] prepared. And I have no fear, because the people have already experienced that and I have no fear. I am with them.
[Stevens:] Have you seen anything like this, this sort of movement among the students of Hong Kong before? Have you seen them this united?
[Unidentified Male:] I have never seen some this scene in Hong Kong before. But it's it is similar to the student movement in China 25 years ago.
[Stevens:] You're talking about Tiananmen Square.
[Unidentified Male:] Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about in Tiananmen Square.
[Stevens:] Do you really think that you can change Beijing's mind?
[Unidentified Female:] I think at least we can change Hong Kong people's mind, because some people still think that this movement is letting Hong Kong to move on or damaging the economics. And I think this movement shows our determination and I hope we can touch them and let more Hong Kongers to come out and fight for true democracy.
[Stevens:] Were you surprised by the Hong Kong police action with the pepper spray, the tear gas? Did that surprise you?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, really, because this is not this is not fair decision for them to use such weapon, because we are just sitting here. We are peaceful. We didn't do any- Well, actually, i'm not surprised, because I know what they should do. They should they are ordered to have this action. So I'm not surprised.
[Unidentified Male:] Yeah, I've never seen this before. So I am surprised.
[Lu Stout:] That was Andrew Stevens reporting there. Now again CY Leung, the chief executive of Hong Kong earlier today called these mass pro-Democracy protests illegal. He also said that China will not back down. So let's get the view from Beijing and cross directly to CNN's David McKenzie. He joins us live from the Chinese capital. And David, is there any hope for a compromise between Beijing and the scores of pro-Democracy protesters here in Hong Kong?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, frankly, it's too early to tell, Kristie. And certainly if you look at the place the two sides are coming from, it would seem very difficult, because the protesters want to chose who they can vote for in 2017 and the Communist Party officials are saying that that's already been decided and that they are engaging in illegal protests. So, unless one or the other side budges or gives up, then really there isn't much hope. And few see Xi Jinping who has been very strong leader here in China and in who has really tightened the screws on many issues from a human rights perspective here in the Mainland as someone who would really look to buckle on what they've said.
[Lu Stout:] And David, China's censorship regime are censors there more actively screening and blocking content about the Hong Kong protests?
[Mckenzie:] Yes, they are. And it's quite sophisticated, in fact. You know, more so than usual, it seems. CNN's air, while it was being broadcasted in China consistently through the weekend and into this morning, subsequently it's been blacked out any time any coverage of the protests happen. I'm sure Andrew's discussion with those students was those protesters was blacked out. But then the signal comes back on when someone like CY Leung comes up or anybody criticizes the protests. So it appears that someone metaphorically at least has their finger on the button on our signal here. And certainly with Instagram cut and Facebook, Twitter, Google and all major global social media sites already unable to be accessed here in China. There is definitely a real effort by the Chinese authorities to cut any mention of this here on the Mainland.
[Lu Stout:] Not only reflects China's concern about what's happening, events on the ground here. David McKenzie joining us live from Beijing. Many thanks indeed for that. Now let's cross live to a true champion and defender of democracy here in Hong Kong. He's the pro-democracy legislator Albert Ho. And he joins me live on the line. And Albert, as we've been reporting China will not back down. Chinese authorities will not compromise. So what do the protesters who are rallying for democracy in Hong Kong, what do they realistically hope to achieve?
[Albert Ho, Hong Kong Legislator:] I think first of all the people of Hong Kong should exercise this opportunity to make their voice once again clearly heard. And then express determination clearly to the Beijing authorities that this is what Hong Kong people want. They would not be content without seeing Beijing delivering this promise to Hong Kong according to the plan they pronounced in 2007 about implementing individual suffrage to elect a chief executive in 2017. So, if Beijing still refuses to own this promise, there would be ongoing protest. There will be ongoing movement of non-cooperation. And until the goal is achieved.
[Lu Stout:] You're saying the protesters won't move until there is true universal suffrage. There is also another demand of the protesters, they want the chief executive, the top leader here in Hong Kong CY Leung to step down. Now if he steps down, would that diffuse the tension here?
[Ho:] I think this is at least a side of a good gesture showing the Beijing is willing to reconsider its position. But however the simple resignation of CY Leung would not be good enough. What Hong Kong people do want is true democracy as we have been promised. So, maybe, you know, the resignation would cool down the atmosphere to a certain extent, but still the people would continue to insist that the honor that the promise must be honored.
[Lu Stout:] But skeptics abroad can look at this and say can Hong Kong really have a chief executive who is truly independent of Beijing? What Hong Kong afterall is Chinese territory, is a special administrative region of China.
[Ho:] Yeah. I think the Hong Kong people are now making a best endeavor to press for a change, a change for better, a change for a more just and better society, that is what we deserve. So, I think certainly this is not only a change for Hong Kong, but it might be a change for the whole, you know, a change as a starting point for the whole country. It would be very significant. But, however, I think China in fact must think carefully to allow Hong Kong to have this change first, you know, and then it set a model hopefully on the whole country, maybe take a long time, you know, to achieve what we can achieve, but still we know we deserve what we are promised.
[Lu Stout:] Now, you and your fellow pro-democracy lawmakers and protesters sound very resolute, very determined. You plan to continue your protest until you get what you want, including electoral reform, full universal suffrage, one man, one vote, the ability to choose a candidate independent of Beijing. Now, do you also calculate how Chinese authorities, how Beijing could react?
[Ho:] Well, it is difficult for us to anticipate how they will react. They are of course very resistant to change, since they have just made the decision. But however they have seen how the Hong Kong people have reacted to it with resolution, with strong determination and with all the preparation for sacrifice, including sacrifice for freedom. And now you see you can see tens of thousands of people overwhelmingly young people behaving in a very restrained and a very calm manner, now blocking all some of the major streets in the territory. And you can see, you know, that is really something that they didn't anticipate either. So it is time that they have to rethink over this matter, you know, otherwise Hong Kong will be ungovernable. That would be a very serious repercussion not only for Hong Kong, but for the whole country.
[Lu Stout:] All right, Albert Ho, Hong Kong democrat, pro-democracy legislator joining me live on the line. Thank you very much indeed for joining us here on News Stream. Now Amara, as you heard just then, he said that people here are willing to make the sacrifice for freedom. And we are nearing October 1 here in Hong Kong and across China, which is National Day in China. It is the day of the founding of the People's Republic of China. It is a day that celebrates the sovereignty of China. And yet, on this day, we are anticipating more pro-democracy protesters here in Hong Kong, because tomorrow there will be no school, businesses will be closed, and its highly likely that more protesters will be joining the protest movement there across the harbor in Admiral T and Central as well as here in Kowloon.
[Walker:] Yeah, we are continuing to hear that unwavering stance from the protesters to push for full universal suffrage. Kristie Lu Stout, thank you. And still to come, more from Hong Kong. It is gridlock and the crowds just keep pouring in. But will Beijing buckle? That is the big question. That's what the protesters are banking on. Our live coverage continues ahead.

[Banfield:] Welcome back to "Legal View." I'm Ashleigh Banfield. Fascinating new details from one of Washington's inner-most circles. According to "Double Down," a new book due out next week, President Obama's top aides prepped for the 2012 election by putting all options on the table, including considering replacing Joe Biden with Hillary Clinton on the ticket. Details from senior White House correspondent, Brianna Keilar.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] In the spotlight, a president united with his vice president the year before his re-election.
[Obama:] My outstanding vice president, Joe Biden, is here.
[Keilar:] But behind the scenes, with Obama's prospects for a second term in doubt, top aides reportedly considered replacing Biden within Hillary Clinton on the 2012 ticket.
[Anderson Cooper, Host, A.c. 360:] How serious were they looking into having Hillary Clinton be the vice president?
[Jonathan Martin, Political Correspondent, The New York Times:] Well, it was serious enough that it was intentionally polled in focus groups.
[Cooper:] Is it possible the president didn't know about that, about them polling and doing focus groups.
[Martin:] Very much possible.
[Cooper:] Really? That's interesting.
[Martin:] Joe Biden didn't know, certainly.
[Keilar:] According to "The New York Times," that's one of the explosive revelations in the new book "Double Down," where the authors, Mark Halperin and John Hylaman, say Biden had dodged a bullet he never saw coming and never would know anything about if the Obamians could keep a secret.
[Martin:] It was only known by about a half dozen of the top Obama senior advisors.
[Keilar:] Including then-chief of staff, Bill Daley.
[Martin:] He totally confirmed, reporting in the book, saying that he thought it was his due diligence as chief of staff to at least explore the possibility of what Hillary Clinton on the ticket would mean for President Obama in 2012.
[Keilar:] Despite Clinton's popularity, Biden stayed on the ticket.
[Martin:] They concluded after this polling and focus groups that she wouldn't add a substantial effect. She would have helped but not so much that it was worth dumping Biden.
[Keilar:] Obama's 2008 campaign manager, David Plouffe, who worked in the White House in 2011, denied the report, tweeting, "Never any, any consideration of V.P., HRC switch. Not even entertained by the only person who mattered or most of us." Another bombshell in the book, the RomneyRyan ticket was almost a Romney-Christie ticket. The New Jersey governor was on Mitt Romney's short list of running mates not once but
[Martin:] Twice.
[Cooper:] And the reasons it didn't go much farther.
[Martin:] Yeah, well, he had Christie on the first short list. He then crosses his name off because he's leaning towards Paul Ryan.
[Keilar:] Romney's advisors pressured him to reconsider Chris Christie. In the end there were two obstacles. Christie couldn't keep his day job and also fundraise due to New Jersey law. And, the book says, he wasn't as forthcoming in the vetting process as other candidates.
[Banfield:] And Brianna Keilar joins us live now from the White House. How are the people in the House behind you reacting today to this, Brianna?
[Keilar:] Well, they're sort of downplaying it. First, let me tell you, I don't know, you can probably hear some of the noise behind me. Those are protesters outside the White House. Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al Malaki, will be here visiting with President Obama. These are protester who's allege the Iraqi government was involved in an attack that killed Iranian dissidents north of Baghdad. That's what's going on here. But inside the House, they are recanting to news of this book, and they say they're not saying it didn't happen. First, we should say that, but they are downplaying how important this is. Listen to what Jay Carney said on CNN.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] I know for a fact that President Obama never considered this, never thought about it, never entertained it. The vice president has been a partner of his from the 2008 campaign on. He's been an excellent governing partner and an excellent campaign partner. So you know, again, campaigns test everything. But as the book itself says, this was never considered by the president.
[Keilar:] And the former chief of staff, Ashleigh, Bill Daley, he also is downplaying it, although, as you heard, he did confirm that this happened. So I think it's sort of fascinating and certainly not something that I would say those close to President Obama really wanted to get out there.
[Banfield:] I would say you're right, especially Joe Biden.
[Keilar:] You, too.
[Banfield:] Enjoy your weekend. Well deserved. Coming up next, a man goes on a hike in July. He was attacked by a bear and left for dead. And that hiker was found just this week, three months later, alive, but just hours from starving to death. An amazing story of survival coming next.

[Blitzer:] The Oklahoma City Thunder star, Kevin Durant, is joining the tornado relief effort in a major way. He's donating $1 million to help those affected by the storm. Andy Scholes has details in today's "Bleacher Report."
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports:] Good afternoon, Wolf. Kevin Durant is originally from Washington, D.C., but he now calls Oklahoma City home. And when Durant saw the destruction in Moore, Oklahoma, he was eager to help his new hometown.
[Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder Basketball Star:] I call it my home city now. Tough to go through. But we're a city that comes together. We'll bounce back from this. And, you know, it's tough. It's tough now, but the sun is going to shine soon. We got to stick together.
[Scholes:] The American Red Cross said the $1 million gift from Durant's foundation is meant to match other donations and be an incentive for more people to give. Durant's team, the Thunder, also announced a $1 million donation as did the NBA and players union. Check out bleacherreport.com for more on Durant's donation. Oklahoma City native, Matt Kemp, is also pitching in to help also. He says he'll donate $1,000 to his hometown for every home run he hits for the Dodgers for the next three months. He tweeted on Tuesday, "I'm giving $1,000 for tonight's home run and every home run until the all-star break for the victims of my hometown in OKC." Oklahoma Sooners football program was directly affected by Monday's devastating tornadoes. Both a graduate assistant and a team-strength coach had their homes destroyed in the tragedy yesterday. Sooners head coach, Bob Stoops, spent some time with the displaced victims from the Oklahoma tornado. The campus in Norman is 10 miles from nearby Moore. The university is providing housing for some of the victims of the tragedy. That will do it for the "Bleacher Report." Wolf, back to you.
[Blitzer:] Andy, thanks very much. That's it for me. I'll be back later today, 5:00 p.m. eastern, in "The Situation Room." Jake Tapper and Brooke Baldwin, they continue CNN's special coverage of the Oklahoma tornadoes right after this.

[Baldwin:] Now, to some of the hottest stories in a flash, rapid fire. Roll it. First up in Utah, take a look with me as you will see the flash flood causes monster debris flow that is slow enough for the storm trackers to outrun this. Watch. Look at them running. David Rankin from Utah shot the video and he said that more than six hours after a major downpour in Southern Utah, he had positioned himself to four miles to the south, and look at what he captured, the waters overwhelming the area. And too much rain plagued another state, Arizona a monsoon hit the Phoenix area pretty hard forcing a half dozen rescues and swallowing cars Sunday. One woman witnessed a driver's close call.
[Unidentified Female:] Well, I was filming and all of a sudden this little Corvette comes bobbing down the water, and he got out of the vehicle and was sitting on top of it. You could not see because the water was so high that you could not see the vehicle at all.
[Baldwin:] Corvette bobbing down the water she said. Reportedly the area got 1 to 2 inches of rain per hour. The ground was already saturated from major storm Saturday. And hack-a-tack on Apple, you see the message at the top of your screen will be back because an intruder hit the company site for developers who create software and apps. It has been down ever since last Thursday. Apple said that sensitive information was not compromised, but it cannot guarantee that some names and addresses were not accessed. This video may make you cringe. We are showing you this to you, and we are showing you this off of the top, because he walked away with minor bumps and bruises, but of course, we'll replay it because this rider is trying his new helmet cam, and hits the car, that car going about at 70 miles per hour, tosses the bike and goes over the hood of the car, but again, despite what you are looking at, he walked away with bumps and bruises. For the first time in the history of the Catholic Church, a Latin American pope will land on his own continent. Pope Francis arrives in Brazil next hour on his very first foreign trip as pope. Millions of young Catholics are gathering for World Youth Day celebrations. The pope there you go, the pope just touched down in Brazil. The pope will be also met by a wide variety of protesters trying to use his visit to draw attention to their myriad of causes. Coming up two Marine planes dropped bombs near the beautiful Great Barrier Reef, and now the U.S. is responding. Plus, DNA proves that they are not related after all, but Congressman Steve Cohen says that the bond exists between him and the woman he thought was his daughter. You will see his emotional interview only here on CNN.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Here's the breaking news just into us here at CNN. People in an area of Denver are on edge right now as police say there could be possible bombs. I'm talking specifically propane tanks, grenades out in neighborhoods. Let me let the police chief here explain the back story, at least one death so far as far as what's happening. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Male:] 2200 block of South Irving. Officers responded to the scene. Approached what they thought was a possible suspect. As they were approaching, the suspect fired one shot at looked like a makeshift incendiary twice which was activated. Shortly thereafter that one of the officers fired a shot, striking the subject in the shoulder, in the chest area. He's in the hospital undergoing surgery. After securing him, members from our department actually went to the home where the alleged shooting had occurred, discovered there was one female deceased. At another house nearby, there was another female that was shot in the leg. She was transported to a hospital. Also it should be noted that there's potentially several incendiary devices in the area. Thereby we kind of evacuate the area so no one would be in harm's way. The bomb squad right now is actively trying to mitigate those potential devices. This is obviously an ongoing investigation. The information is very preliminary.
[Burnett:] So again, just to recap, the shooter, who police tracked down, is now in the hospital undergoing surgery. One woman is dead. Another has been shot in the leg. And police believe there are several incendiary devices, again the words we're hearing, propane tanks, grenades. They believe there could be two, possibly three of those devices. They do not know why. Don't have a motive or connection between the shooter and the victims. We'll stay on it for you. Stay tuned to us right here on CNN for that. Coming up, imagine this. A playground plastered with these. Missing child posters. Only this time, the child is actually right there in the playground. It's a new experiment from our friends at HLN. The results may surprise you. That's next.

[Blitzer:] We're live here in Jerusalem. We'll have much more on the fighting between Israel and Hamas in a few moments. But first, the strained relationship between the United States and one of its closes allies. We're talking about Germany which actually expelled the top U.S. intelligence officer at the U.S. embassy in Berlin over allegations of spying against Germany. Our White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski is joining us now. She has more on this growing controversy. Michelle, what are you hearing?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Hi, Wolf. Both sides now trying to talk it out in private. You know, it only seems like yesterday that President Obama hosted the German chancellor right here in the Rose Garden. I mean, he talked about the importance of this relationship even in a personal level, saying it pained him that the prior spying disclosure strained that. Well, now there's this. Just setting things back again.
[Kosinski:] A public embarrassment. The CIA station chief in Berlin of all places capital of one of our closest, most important European allies, kicked out of the country when Germans uncovered what were allegedly some U.S. covert ops. The Germans talking openly about the hurt, the betrayal of it all. Today, the German foreign minister said expelling the CIA chief based at the U.S. embassy, was the right decision. A necessary step, a fitting reaction to the break of trust. Taking action was unavoidable, he said. The U.S. has been far more quiet on the topic. No, the CIA isn't tweeting about it, but today the White House offered this.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] Allies with sophisticated intelligence agencies like the United States and Germany understand with some degree of detail exactly what those intelligence relationships and activities entail.
[Kosinski:] The Germans say there is good contact still between top levels of both countries. The White House did confirm the conversations are going on right now in private. And that the U.S. respects Germany's choices on whom to allow in their country even adding some glowing praise for German Chancellor Angela Merkel, an effective partner and effective leader who puts the best interests of her country first.
[Unidentified Male:] The president of the United States and the chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany.
[Kosinski:] Just back in May, Obama and Merkel presented a united front even on tackling this touchy, touchy spying issue. Remember a year ago, it came out that the NSA had spied on Merkel's phone conversations. Obama conciliatory.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] What I've also done is taken the unprecedented step of ordering our intelligence communities to take the privacy interests of non-U.S. persons into account in everything that they do.
[Kosinski:] Pledging, he said to Merkel, to also close the gaps in the ways German and U.S. intelligence operate and ensure clarity. Merkel not seeming fully convinced at the time saying there's still divisions that need work. Yesterday, calling apparent continued spying a waste of energy. So now this alleged spying does not involve phone tapping but does include some German citizens, one reportedly worked for the Foreign Intelligence Services accused of slipping documents in the Edward Snowden investigation to the CIA. The other allegedly worked for the German Defense Ministry. So far, though, the White House says that Obama and Merkel have not talked about this Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Michelle Kosinski, thanks very much. So Michelle is over at the White House. Let's talk about this with Republican Congressman Mike Rogers of Michigan. He's the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Mr. Chairman, thanks very much for joining us. You know, I've done some research. There may have been a case where a NATO ally expelled a CIA station chief. I don't remember a time when they publicly made that kind of announcement. How big of a deal is this?
[Rep. Mike Rogers, R-mi, Intelligence Chairman:] Well, it's it's a huge deal. And for those of us who value the German-American relationship, I'm very, very, very concerned. But they sure seem to be spending a lot of time, Wolf, worrying about what the American intelligence services are doing and their parliament is not necessarily worrying about what the German intelligence services are doing. And so again, I think this is these are important countries with important economies both the U.S. and Germany and the rest of the G-7 plus 1, if you will, economies, and it just doesn't seem like a very adult reaction to expel the CIA chief from Germany. And it's concerning and it's a political temper tantrum like I've never seen before that I think is not productive, it is jeopardizing both intelligence cooperation and relationships with beyond the intelligence relationship between America and Germany.
[Blitzer:] Are you suggesting, Mr. Chairman, as I think you are, that the U.S. had no choice but to engage in this kind of clandestine effort because the Germans themselves, their intelligence services were not really doing the necessary job?
[Rogers:] Well, a couple of things. One, there I would never confirm or deny any intelligence operation by the United States government ever. And that's something we would never ever do. But I will tell you that I am very confident, as the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, that the German intelligence services have at least peeked over the shoulder of American policymakers in their interests to collect intelligence for the benefits of Germany. And we get it. This is an adult relationship. The problem here is that they have Iranian spies there. They have Russian spies there. They have the whole host and panoply of countries who are spying in Germany. I don't see them interested in throwing their chiefs out. And again, what's so concerning about this is there are times that the American intelligence services have provided information that have saved German lives because they had this convoluted rule system about what they can and can't do at the local level in Germany when it comes to intelligence that we know has disrupted terrorist plots in Germany. It's frustrating to those of us who believe in a broader understanding and understanding that sometimes even our allies have relationships with our adversaries that are of concern. And some notion that they're going to jeopardize all of those relationships over this alleged incident that they may or may not have all their facts right is very, very concerning to me. It seems far more political. It seems far more temper tantrum like than it does an adult conversation about very important countries engaged in very important economic and military and I think stabilization efforts around the world.
[Blitzer:] The White House officials are suggesting the president of the United States was not actually informed of this kind of intelligence operation inside Germany. If in fact it's true. Shouldn't the president who is commander in chief know that the U.S. would be doing this if, in fact, it was?
[Rogers:] Well, again, I am not going to confirm or deny any intelligence operation that the U.S. Intelligence Services do. Again, I'm going to tell you that it's really interesting to me I mean, I'd be glad to meet with the German parliamentarian that has the ability to understand current operations by their intelligence services that has the ability to oversee them, budget them and understand both future and proposed intelligence operations. The problem is, Wolf, it doesn't exist. I'm going to encourage the Germans to understand fully what the German intelligence services are doing today. And that means to U.S. personnel, it means to personnel around the world, and by the way, I don't think that's a problem. I understand it. And so again, that's why I think this is so important. Do you want to have an adult relationship as we go forward on a very complicated world that's very dangerous and you're going to jeopardize the fact that U.S. intelligence services have provided information that have saved German lives, period, unequivocal, that's exactly what's happened. And I worry that they're taking this as a political knee-jerk reaction and not knowing all the set of information that they need to understand, they being the parliament of Germany, even their executive branch, if you will, and being very candid with the German people. I think
[Blitzer:] You don't think the chancellor you don't think the chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, is up to speed on what's going on?
[Rogers:] Well, I can't say. I certainly see her reaction to throw out the CIA chief in Germany tells me that either she doesn't or she does and has made a serious mistake here. This is something that we would expect from the Russians. We would expect from the Iranians. We would expect from the North Koreans. We don't expect from our allies, the Germans where they know of this really important intelligence relationship. And by the way, again, as the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, I feel very confident in telling you and your viewers, listen, the German Intelligence Services, they're engaged in espionage including against the U.S. persons. And so I'm a little surprised by this whole reaction. I think it's more political than substantive. And I would hope, I would hope that they would not jeopardize this very important relationship in the world between the U.S. and the German people on something that doesn't seem quite right to me. I mean if they have the facts and maybe they don't and if they don't, Wolf, I'm saying they'd better get the facts.
[Blitzer:] All right.
[Rogers:] And they better get them pretty soon.
[Blitzer:] Very strong words from the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
[Rogers:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] Mike Rogers, thanks, Mr. Chairman, very much for joining us.
[Rogers:] Thanks, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] We'll stay on top of this story. And coming up live from here in Jerusalem more than 100 Hamas rockets shot from the sky by Israel's so-called Iron Dome Missile Defense System. We'll take a closer look at how it works.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. The National Lead now, germs in ziplock bags, Anthrax in unlocked refrigerators. Now that some labs at the CDC are being accused as operating with the same rules as your employee break rooms, Congress wants answers. They're calling the director of the CDC on the carpet today in Washington, D.C. And our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta is following all of this for us. Sanjay, these are terrifying lapses at least to a layman like myself. Did he give any answers remotely satisfying?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] I don't think so, Jake, and to be fair, I don't think anything that he would have said could be satisfying and this is pretty frightening stuff and the CDC is supposed to be the best in the world. He focused on this idea that there was a lax culture with regard to safety because the scientists have been around for so long and they're just more comfortable with the viruses and become more careless with it. And I'll tell you, Jake, that is not what the folks wanted to hear on the Hill. Take a listen to this.
[Representative Tim Murphy , Pennsylvania:] I have to think what in heaven's name would go through the minds of scientists thinking a zip lock bag is enough to protect someone from anthrax.
[Director Tom Frieden, Cdc Director:] Once the laboratory has said he has killed anthrax it was handled by the staff in those lower containment laboratories as if it were not infectious. Our subsequent studies suggest that it is likely that it was not, but the core error there was the failure to
[Murphy:] Dr. Frieden, this is like saying I didn't know the gun was loaded, but somebody got shot, but you should always assume it is.
[Gupta:] The CDC director was grilled by a congressional committee on the mishandling of the deadly pathogen as well as some other recent safety lapses including the improper danger of the strain of bird flu as the smallpox vials on the NIH campus.
[Unidentified Male:] One of the more disturbing findings of the CDC's own report.
[Gupta:] Question after question asking how could this happen at the CDC? The gold standard of biosafety.
[Frieden:] If you work with something even if it's a deadly microbe, day after day and year after year you get a level of familiarity that may lead to doing things that you shouldn't do.
[Gupta:] No one has been hurt by these lapses, but Dr. Frieden says that is no excuse.
[Frieden:] The fact that it appears no one was harmed and that there were no releases does not excuse what happened. What happened was completely unacceptable. It should never have happened.
[Gupta:] It was a narrow miss, Jake. There were some potentially really problematic things that occurred, two labs have been shut down. They reassigned personnel and set up an external advisory committee and that will cause a huge culture change in the CDC Jake.
[Tapper:] It's terrifying. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thank you. Appreciate it.
[Gupta:] You bet. Thank you.
[Tapper:] Coming up, he's not the sort of guy who takes no for an answer and that's what Fox News owner and media mogul, Rupert Murdoch got when he offered to buy CNN's parent company, but will he give up that easily? Plus, if you've had enough of this I have the latest for you, the latest from parody, singer, songwriter, Weird Al. It's called "Tacky" and Weird Al is here to talk about it in the Pop Culture Lead coming up.

[Announcer:] Tonight on CROSSFIRE, looking beyond the holidays.
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] Are you kidding me?
[Announcer:] Where are the political battle lines for 2014?
[Rep. Ted Cruz , Texas:] It's time to start over.
[Announcer:] Who should we keep our eyes on?
[Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary Of The State:] What difference at this point does it make?
[Announcer:] And what will be the biggest issues?
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We anticipate there's still going to be challenges.
[Announcer:] On the left Marc Lamont Hill, on the right S.E. Cupp. In the CROSSFIRE, Neera Tanden, who worked for the Obama administration, and Will Cain, a conservative commentator, drawing the battle lines for 2014. Tonight on
[Crossfire. Marc Lamont Hill, Co-host:] Welcome to CROSSFIRE. I'm Marc Lamont Hill on the left.
[S.e. Cupp, Co-host:] I'm S.E. Cupp on the right. In the CROSSFIRE tonight, two guests on opposite sides of the 2014 battle lines. Democrats are addicted to Obama. And the first step for any addict is admitting they have a problem. Obama's health-care law is riddled with it. Just today the administration put off another deadline to sign up, and according to new CNN polling, 63 percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act will increase their health-care spending. Here's Democrat Joe Manchin on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION."
[Sen. Joe Manchin , West Virginia:] If it's so much more expensive than what we anticipated, and if the coverage is not as good as what we've had, you've got a complete meltdown at that time.
[Cupp:] Also today we learned the president symbolically signed up for Obamacare, something he doesn't need and is yet still paying for. Must be nice. Marc, not everyone can afford symbolism. And I think Democrats need to admit this is a real problem for them in 2014.
[Hill:] Are they already admitting that? Some of my best friends are Democrats, and I haven't I haven't met one yet that isn't in denial that this is bad: the Web site is bad, the sign-ups are bad, the delay is bad. But the truth is, we're going to turn a corner, and things are going to be fine.
[Cupp:] Nancy Pelosi says it's going to be a plus. We'll see. In the CROSSFIRE tonight, Neera Tanden, who helped craft President Obama's health-care plan, and CNN political commentator Will Cain. Marc, as our guest host, I will give you the first question.
[Hill:] Good. I get to go right to Will Cain. Will, look
[Will Cain, Conservative Commentator:] Bring it.
[Hill:] I think you guys are overstating just a bit how bad things are. Over the last weekend, we've seen sign-ups. We've seen young people begin to sign up. We've seen millions of people access the site, and we've seen fewer glitches. What are you going to do when this thing actually starts working?
[Cain:] OK. You think we've overstated. I don't think we've stated it far enough. So I'm going to give you this, Marc. You said in 2014 that you were going to turn the corner. What I'm going to accuse you of is what you've been talking about with Republicans being accused of for the past several years: wishful thinking. You've said we've hoped for Obamacare's failure. You're now on the side of hope and wishfulness. What you'll see in 2014 here's your overstatement is the effective nationalization of the health-care industry. To some extent what I'm saying is anticlimactic. You've got the government dictating the prices of health care, the coverage. And in 2014, what we're going to see is the full-on nationalization. It's a mechanism and I'm going to let you rebut what you think I know is absurd. The mechanism is you're going to see the bailout of the insurance industry. Because Obamacare has now set up a system where insurance companies can no longer exist in this environment.
[Hill:] That's a compelling argument. It's just not true. The thing you're calling hope, the thing you're calling wishful thinking is I'm calling data. Right? There are people who are actually logging into the Web site and accessing it. There are millions of people signing up where before there were not. It's just a fact. Just this weekend, we saw 1.2 million people signing up. Doesn't that mean that we're turning a corner?
[Cupp:] But Neera, we are halfway through this enrollment period. We're past the rocky roll-out. Now we're talking about implementing this.
[Neera Tanden, Helped Craft Obamacare:] Right.
[Cupp:] Does something in this law need to be changed for it to work more effectively?
[Tanden:] So we actually are seeing a rapid increase in enrollment. So we have 500,000 people on the exchange in December. If you actually tracked what happened in Massachusetts, when Massachusetts passed its law under Mitt Romney, we are way ahead of the sign-ups that Massachusetts had at this same time. So I'm actually excited about the chance of talking about all these people who have insurance. And the fact is, the Republicans in the next election are going to be talking about taking away people's health insurance. We already have 4 million people signed up through the Affordable Care Act, through Medicaid, through the exchanges, getting private health insurance, and the Children's Health Insurance Program. We're going to have something we haven't had in years, which is Republicans talk about repeal. It's actually taking away benefits from people. And I think that will be a good debate for us to have.
[Cain:] You know, Neera, you and Marc have now both used the term "signups." And you've touted the number of "signups" over the past month and over the last several days. It's a curious term you keep using, "signups."
[Tanden:] Enrolled. OK. Use the term enrolled.
[Cain:] Fine, enrolled. We'll use your term. Obamacare's ultimate goal is to deliver health insurance to Americans, and ultimately, beyond that, to deliver health care to Americans. If it's true what you say that hundreds of thousands of Americans have signed up by the way, your goal is 7 million. You've got a month or two left to get to that number.
[Tanden:] Four months. We have four months to get to that number.
[Cain:] And you are way behind. But again, signups. That doesn't mean people send in checks. That means they selected a plan at most. It doesn't mean they actually have been in communication with an insurance company or are receiving false data. You guys are using a unique term, signups, to paint what you think is a rosy picture. If that were true, if the picture you're both painting is true, President Obama wouldn't be delaying the deadline day after day after day.
[Tanden:] OK. Let's talk about the delay of the deadline. The delay today is just saying, just like we say for every other program, if you're in line tonight, you'll get health-care insurance. We're not going to stop you at midnight. If you're if you're processing your claim, we're going to do this. This is like people acting, trying to get health insurance. We should we should reward them.
[Cain:] Starting December 1, went to December 15. Now it was December 23, and now it's moved to December 24? Why have you had to move it three times?
[Tanden:] Right, all designed to get people covered for health insurance. That's exactly what this is all about. I don't know I don't know why it's a negative to you. I guess what I'm saying is we have 500,000 people who have health insurance. As a conservative, I wish you'd applaud that instead of trying to insure that people lose their health insurance.
[Cain:] I appreciate you say you have half a million people signed up.
[Tanden:] Enrolled.
[Cain:] What I see is a net negative of 4 million. You kicked 5 million plus off of their plans and now you have to make up that ground.
[Tanden:] N. That's absolutely false. Five million people weren't kicked off their plans. There's 500,000 people. If you look at the data, 500,000 people, you have actually people who will not have a better plan. We're seeing now data that shows that people though they who were getting kicked off their plan have better plans on the exchange. We're seeing stories every day.
[Cain:] How many people didn't get kicked off their plans?
[Tanden:] No, they've got they have they've lost their coverage, and they have a better plan where they pay less.
[Cain:] So they lost their coverage is what we call it when we get kicked off their plans.
[Hill:] You're saying the same thing. You're saying they're off their plans, but onto new plans.
[Tanden:] Onto better plans. And the exchange the big problem we had is that HealthCare.gov didn't work. So people couldn't see there are better options. Now, people are seeing, and you hear story after story about people who are saving thousands of dollars. That's something you should celebrate instead of trying to wrest that health care out of their hands.
[Hill:] Will, if the numbers are clearly increasing, isn't that a sign that we're turning a corner? If more people are enrolled and are signing up, whatever language you use, isn't that a sign for success?
[Cain:] Guys, I'm sorry, but you seem to be living in a dreamland. I assume it's driven by wishfulness, but you started out this program S.E. started out this program, 63 percent of Americans think that their health-care costs are going to go up. Forty-two percent think Obamacare is going to be make them worse off in their lives. And you point to a few hundred thousand people who clicked on a Web site? Not that sent payment, not received interest.
[Cupp:] Sounds like an alternate reality. It really does. And let's look at some more numbers. We talked about that number. Sixty percent of women not into this bill. That's up from 54 in November, despite the president's push to moms just last week. Sixty- four percent of men oppose this law. In California, you only have 20 percent of the young people signed up. You need between 30 and 40. In Kentucky, it's the same.
[Tanden:] What you just said is the perfect number. That's what the target is.
[Cupp:] It's not the perfect number. You need 2.7 million
[Tanden:] Yes.
[Cupp:] young healthy people to sign up to make this law affordable. You are nowhere close.
[Hill:] Let me jump in a bit. One of the things one of the things you all have offered and by you all I mean Republicans is critique, and not a lot of solution. One solution that's been offered is to open this up to the free market. The challenge of opening up to the free market is that things like preexisting conditions may not get covered for people, that these efficiency may not work out for the most vulnerable people. How do you reconcile that?
[Cain:] The solutions question is a great one. And you and I have had this before, Marc. The problem is we're pulling in opposite directions. Neera and I pull in opposite directions of what we think ultimately delivers the best health care for Americans. I believe a free market does, because what you can do is actually what President Obama has chosen to do in the last couple days, and that is allow people to buy catastrophic insurance plans. That is insurance plans that allow you, if you get hit by a bus or you get cancer, to have coverage, and everything else from knee surgeries to elbow surgeries to you get an infection you buy with a price mechanism competitive of the regular free market.
[Hill:] What about the preexisting condition? What about the person who, because of market efficiencies, can't get their preexisting condition covered? What happens to them?
[Cain:] Preexisting conditions are a tough conundrum, because they cannot live in the same environment with the definition of insurance. And eventually, we have to get to what is the definition of insurance? It is designed to mitigate something that has not yet happened. Preexisting conditions have already happened. What you're talking about really is just delivering free health care to those people.
[Cupp:] I have a photo I want to show you guys before we go to break. We have seen some very desperate and silly and, I think, sometimes even offensive attempts to sell Obamacare around the country. You have those "Ho-surance" and "Bro-surance" ads out of Colorado. You've got Democrats leaving these brochures out at gay nightclubs. We just had an ad marketing Obamacare to gay to gay consumers. What I don't understand is if this is so great, why isn't it selling itself? Why do we see these absolutely ludicrous and desperate attempts at reaching every single person in every corner of the world to try and get onto this program?
[Tanden:] I don't know, S.E. Cupp. It looks like Apples are pretty good. Apple still spend $50 million to $100 million selling them. You sell things to people so that they understand what they're getting. That's why the insurers
[Cupp:] You've had three years.
[Tanden:] Yes, right now is the time that you get coverage. That's why insurers are actually spending tens of millions of dollars trying to get people covered, because they actually know that this will work, that there is a market out there. If there was no market, they wouldn't spend the money, but they know there's a market; they know there is a demand. People want health insurance. There's actually these premiums are coming in lower. And the fact is that this plan these plans are actually working, because people there's a demand for them. You know what I think is fascinating? We have the Affordable Care Act is a market, right? People gets subsidies, and then they can go on the exchange and choose the health insurance they want. That's precisely why Governor Romney and the Heritage Foundation supported these plans in Massachusetts, and that's why I think it's interesting that's not true it's not.
[Cain:] The prices, the coverage, every aspect of it. And you guys have compared yourself to Steve Jobs and Apple so many times, it should be embarrassing. You must recognize you have a problem. That's the only way you're ever going to fix it.
[Cupp:] OK. I am I am confident that the Democrats are going to have a tough time next year with this, but Republicans have some problems, too. Next I want to ask my friend Will Cain, conservative to conservative, how can we involve some avoid some of the pitfalls ahead?
[Hill:] Welcome back. In the CROSSFIRE tonight, Neera Tanden and Will Cain. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi assured reporters today that the Affordable Care Act would not be a political problem in the next few months. In reality, it's unlikely that Obamacare will be a plus for Democrats any time soon, but eventually, people are going to stop worries about Web sites and start focusing on economic issues, like Washington's failure to raise the minimum wage and extend unemployment benefits. And that's where Republicans will find themselves back in the same dangerous hole and the target of ads like this.
[Unidentified Male:] So to the 1.3 million Americans losing benefits, merry Christmas from the GOP. It's wrong to leave more than a million Americans behind.
[Hill:] If Republicans remain tone deaf to America's working people, then Nancy Pelosi is right: Democrats have nothing to worry about. Will, I know you disagree with everything I just said, but at least you can concede that Republicans are overplaying their hands by ignoring these economic issues and just assuming Obamacare is going to save the day for them.
[Cain:] Republicans have been talking about the economic issues of our country for the past three, five years, ever since the recession of 2008 and through Obama's tenure. We've been talking about it for
[Hill:] Let me be more specific. Because talking about the economic issues by cutting taxes for the wealthy is not exactly what I mean. I'm talking about the idea of raising a federal minimum wage, creating a living wage for people. I'm talking about the idea of extending unemployment benefits. Two things that are on the table right now.
[Cain:] Let's be honest. These are not economic solutions. These aren't even economic arguments we want to have. The truth is everyone knows, you want to dismiss with an economic argument quickly, if you raise the price of something you get less of it. You raise the price of this phone, you sell less of them. You raise the price of labor, you get less of it. That's your minimum wage argument. The truth is this is a political argument. You want to pivot to talking not about Obamacare, but accusing Republicans of hating poor people.
[Hill:] And that, sir, is why I'm saying Democrats have nothing to worry about in 2014. I wish I thought you guys would have learned that lesson before. The majority of Americans want these increases, the majority of even the Tea Party, the extreme wing of the Republican Party wants this.
[Cupp:] Why are Republicans getting blamed for this unemployment insurance? Democrats passed this law, the president signed the law. Why are Republicans in the crosshairs over that?
[Hill:] Because there's so much there seems to be Republican opposition to this.
[Tanden:] Yes, they opposed putting it in the budget agreement. That's why the Republicans are being blamed for it.
[Cupp:] Democrats made it happen. They needed Democrat votes to pass it. The president signed it into law. Why isn't it a pox on both their houses?
[Tanden:] Because the Democrats pushed for it in the budget negotiations.
[Cupp:] Democrats are nicer people.
[Tanden:] No, it's Paul Ryan and
[Hill:] Since you brought it up.
[Tanden:] Paul Ryan opposed it. The House Republican leadership opposed putting it in on the budget deal. That's why they're being blamed for it.
[Cupp:] Look, income inequality is a serious issue. I'm glad the president is finally addressing it. He virtually ignored it for four years and the income inequality gap has widened under this president. But it doesn't bring people to the polls. Are you telling me Democrats will run on raising the minimum wage? That's the big idea?
[Tanden:] Absolutely.
[Cupp:] I hope so. I hope you're right.
[Tanden:] Absolutely. You know, Republicans, 70 percent of Republicans nationally support it, 70 percent support it in Arkansas, in Kentucky. Look at the state polls. There's economic populism flowing in those Southern states, those conservative districts, and it's working against Republicans. That's why Allison Grimes is campaigning on it. Michelle Nunn is
[Cupp:] Allison Grime is going to win?
[Tanden:] She's winning. She's doing very well. She's right now, even in the polls, isn't she?
[Cupp:] She's not going to win, Neera, c'mon.
[Tanden:] Look, I think you should take note of someone who's even in the polls against the minority leader in the Senate.
[Cupp:] I thought the point is to win, right? You guys want to win in 2014. You want to keep the Senate.
[Tanden:] Yes.
[Cupp:] Maybe pick up some House seats.
[Tanden:] My overall point is this is a popular issue amongst Republicans. I'd say to your arguments economic data after economic data shows that when we raise wages, people can buy and consume more. It's a simple concept. So people have more money to actually purchase. We have looked at states that have raised minimum wage. Their unemployment has gone down because
[Hill:] Hold on a second.
[Cain:] The simple rebuttal, Neera, is why don't you raise the minimum to $50 an hour then?
[Tanden:] Because we're just looking at today data points of what works. So, let's start with $10. See, if that works, and that's why
[Hill:] You haven't answered the initial question, right? Which was if this is the popular consensus of everyday American people on both sides of the aisle, will Republicans lose ground in 2014 by not taking that position?
[Cain:] No, I'll answer your political question and then Neera's economic question. But the question of whether or not this will work politically, I agree with S.E. If you guys had decided you want to adopt the Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York City, Elizabeth Warren, senator of Massachusetts, if Massachusetts and New York City are your model no national politics, I wish you luck, my friend.
[Cupp:] In an off-year
[Cain:] To your economic point
[Tanden:] Neither one of them are campaigning on
[Cain:] To the economy point you bring up, in the end, I ask you, do you want to raise minimum wage to $50 an hour. You said data points and there's
[Tanden:] Yes, let's start with $10.
[Cain:] Let me just suggest this, there's a thread that ties all our conversations took. From Obamacare, to the minimum wage, to inequality, is that you want the American people, and me and S.E. at this table, to grant you the power to, give you, to to weighing down to your arrogance that you know the right price of labor, you know how much people should make inequality, and after we've watched you for the last three years mess up the health care market by dictating prices and coverage, you want you to act on the heels of that?
[Tanden:] You know what I want my only response to that is we have a growing income inequality, we have declining mobility. Maybe your answer is just let everything be as it is. But I think Americans want solutions. A simple solution is a federal minimum wage to insure there's some fairness, if you work hard, 40 hours a week, you should not be resigned to poverty. That I thought was a
[Hill:] Will, do you believe there's no room economically for a federal minimum wage increase? Not at all? Forget the $10 mark. Are you saying it doesn't make any economic sense to raise the federal minimum wage?
[Cain:] I am absolutely libertarian on minimum wage. I think market should dictate the price of labor, like they have officially done for every other aspect of our society.
[Cupp:] The federal wage makes no sense because cost of living changes from area to area, from region to region, making $10 an hour in New York is different than making $10 an hour in Topeka. But I can't let you go Will without asking you this question, because we talk about it earlier. I want to talk about the GOP. And I think we do have a real problem. Earlier this year, Chris Christie seemed to scold Rand Paul in a speech he gave in Boston. He basically said, we're not a debating society. We've got to win elections. I think that is the GOP debate of the next year. Are we for principles and purity or are we for winning elections? Which do you think is going to win out?
[Cain:] You know, William M. Buckley once said, the goal in every election is to vote for the most conservative candidate available to you. So, the answer, S.E., has to be both. And you and I talked about this off-set. I've heard you talk about it on air. Mike Lee put this perfectly, when we said our goals should not be to identify heretics in our party. Our goal should be to identify converts.
[Cupp:] Right.
[Cain:] At the end of this, Marc will probably with me on everything, and Neera a few things.
[Hill:] If you take that approach, though, right, if you take that approach, don't you end up with a GOP that simply ignores the economic issue that we just talked about? That decides do you know what I mean? I'm worried that ultimately the GOP won't take the right position on this.
[Cain:] Marc, the goal of the GOP on economics is to find yourself on the most tried and true mechanism of overall growth for everyone in society. And that is to embrace the concept of free market. Not to enable the bureaucrats and politicians who know better the price of labor, or exactly how much everyone should make, but to give it to again, the one mechanism that has lifted human beings from poverty to wealth in society, in history, and that is capitalism.
[Hill:] I'm so excited that you have that position. 2014 is going to be awesome. Just saying.
[Tanden:] The same arguments where you used to oppose the deal, which you clearly don't support because you don't support the federal minimum wage. And I think an argument is Let's just have a balance approach to these things.
[Cupp:] All right. Stay here. Next, the final question for both of our guests. We also want you at home to weigh on today's "Fireback" question. Do you think Obamacare will be the biggest issue of the 2014 midterm elections? Tweet yes or no using #crossfire. We'll have the results after the break. We're back with Neera Tanden and Will Cain. Now, it's time for the final question. Neera, I know you're optimistic that immigration reform can happen this year. And the president sounded bullish on it as well. Are Democrats willing to accept an immigration reform that does not include a pathway to citizenship?
[Tanden:] No, and I don't think they should. I hope that we'll have a bill on the House floor, after during the Republican primaries, after the Republican primaries, it seems like people are more interested in the House Republican caucus. And taking that up after the primaries. But I hope there will be a real conference on this. Now, I think the path to citizenship is really popular. So, it should be 60 percent of the American people, 55 percent to 60 percent of independents support it. So I think it should be in the time bill. And I think Republicans would do well to support a path to citizenship because that's what's really energizing Latino voters and to expand their base. I think that would be something that they should be interested in.
[Hill:] Will, the president says he's not going to negotiate on this debt ceiling this time. He's just not going to do it. He said it's all about dead. Republicans are preparing the things they want to negotiate about. Do you guys learn a lesson from the last standoff?
[Cain:] You know, the lesson politically, and I don't want to get too involved in the nuts and bolts of polling and politics, but the Republicans won on debt ceiling, and they did in 2011, and they lose on shutdowns, as they did in the fall of this year. Politically, that's how the public looks it. You can fight over the debt ceiling. You cannot fight over a shutdown. I would tell you this, as an economic issue I do not think the debt ceiling should be used as leverage to extract with probably going to end up being minimal demands. It has huge uncertainty and affects on markets worldwide. And I think, in the end, I'm for economic growth.
[Cupp:] An agreement there?
[Tanden:] I agree.
[Hill:] We all agree with economic growth.
[Tanden:] I agree. I'm not negotiating with that.
[Cain:] What did I tell you during the last break? They'd agree with me.
[Hill:] Everybody supports economic growth.
[Cupp:] There's a whole host of other issues that President Obama laid out in his inaugural address climate change, gun control, what if any of that can get done? It seems like he's had a tough time with this.
[Tanden:] Well, the president has a climate action plan, which he put, which it works a lot through executive actions. And, you know, I think, they have to, actually. That's going to be, there are going to be rules coming out from the EPA, et cetera. That's going to be a management challenge for him, and I hope it's one that's successfully done.
[Cupp:] Why can't he pass the Keystone Pipeline, right? Am I right?
[Cain:] Yes, you're right. S.E. and Marc, he's not going to be able to do anything in 2014 beyond try as he can
[Hill:] Not immigration, not Keystone, nothing?
[Cain:] Nothing, except through executive action, executive orders. He has bungled it because of Obamacare. It has ruined his legislative capital. And he's going to spend the year trying to fix what is an unfixable problem, Obamacare,
[Cupp:] OK. Thanks to Neera Tanden and Will Cain and my co-host tonight, Marc Lamont Hill. Go to Facebook or Twitter to weigh in on our "Fireback" question. Do you think Obamacare will be the biggest issue of the midterm elections? Right now, 61 percent of you say yes, 39 percent say no. The debate continues online at CNN.comcrossfire, as well as Facebook and Twitter. From the left, I'm Marc Lamont Hill. From the right, I'm S.E. Cupp. Join us next time for another edition of CROSSFIRE. "ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT" starts right now.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Right now, divers reached the cafeteria of the capsized ferry where they think many of the missing students are located. Also right now, Vice President Joe Biden offers support in aid to Ukraine as he visits the regions. We'll have a live report straight ahead. And right now, a major decision coming down from the United States Supreme Court. Justices voting to uphold a controversial Michigan law that bans the use of racial criteria in college admissions. Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer reporting from Washington. Dozens more bodies have now been recovered from the sunken ferry off the coast of South Korea. The search official says most of them were wearing life vests. Divers have now gained access to the cafeteria in the interior of the ship. That's where many of the teenage passengers were having breakfast when the accident occurred. Divers believe most of the victims are in this area. So far, 121 are confirmed dead, another 181 people are still missing. Our own Will Ripley, he's joining us from Jindo, South Korea right now where the bodies are being brought to shore and identified. Will, is this strictly a recovery operation now or do they do they still hold out hope of finding survivors?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] They still hold out hope, Wolf, at least officially and publicly. That is the word from the divers. That's the word from officials. It's the word from the company that owns the sunken ferry. They say, well, they still believe that there's the potential there's an air pocket on the ship where somebody even a week into this with frigid, cold waters and very, very dangerous conditions, they think there might be a chance somebody could still be alive. They've been looking for survivors but all they keep finding and bringing back to shore are the dead. And, Wolf, there is a very sad scene playing out here as we speak. It is 2:00 in the morning here. But we just came back to the tent where the bodies are being identified. There is a man speaking into a microphone describing physically what the latest people who they have brought back to shore look like. And even at this hour, in the middle of the night, there are families who are not sleeping. They are anxiously sitting by and waiting to see if that description matches their son or their daughter or their family member. And it is just it is just heartbreaking to see this happen here, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And we've now learned, Will, that the first distress call actually came from a passenger, not from a member of the crew. Tell us about that.
[Ripley:] Yes, this is a pretty remarkable piece of new information because we have now learned that at 8:52 a.m., a voice described as a young boy who is obviously shaken up by the sound of his voice. He made a call saying that this ferry was in trouble and he thought it was sinking. 8:52 a.m., that time is significant because it is three minutes before the official distress call came from the ship. So, passengers were actually making calls from their cell phones before the ship officially reported that it was in trouble. We know, in those following minutes after 8:52, there were some 20 calls from students, frightened students, onboard the ferry.
[Blitzer:] What can you tell us, Will, about two more crew members now formally being charged?
[Ripley:] We know there are now nine crew members that have been arrested, Wolf. Some of them are speaking out now for the first time defending their actions. They were asked, why did they not deploy more life boats? They said, they didn't do it because the ship was tilting so severely that they were not able to reach the life boats rendering them, virtually, unusable. And also, crew members were asked, why did they think the ship tilted over as it did and began to sink so quickly? They said it was a stabilization issue, is what they believe, without going into further specifics. Obviously, all of that will discussed as the investigation continues here in Jindo.
[Blitzer:] What a story this is. All right, thanks. Will Ripley, reporting from South Korea. Let's go to Ukraine right now. A new pledge from the vice president of the United States, Joe Biden. While meeting with Ukrainian leaders in Kiev, he offered another $20 million in security aid, offered this rebuke for Russia.
[Joe Biden, Vice President Of The United States:] No nation should threaten its neighbor by amassing troops along the border. We call on Russia to pull back these forces. No nation should stoke instability in its neighbor's country. We call on Russia to stop supporting men, hiding behind masks in unmarked uniforms sowing unrest in eastern Ukraine.
[Blitzer:] Vice president Biden, of course, is referring to those reports and those pictures we all saw yesterday involving Russian troops in generic uniforms, helping the pro-Russian militants. Let's turn to our Arwa Damon. She's joining us now from eastern Donetsk in eastern Ukraine. Arwa, where do we stand now with that intelligence, with the pro-Russian militants holding buildings in eastern Ukraine?
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Exactly where we always have been, Wolf. These pro-Russian militant protestors have absolutely no intention of backing down. In fact, over the last 24 hours, we've been seeing them fortifying some of their various locations as well. The U.S. ice president was also saying they haven't seen any concrete measures by Russia to try to convince these pro-Russian protesters to surrender the buildings, laying a fair amount of blame on Russia as to why there hasn't been any sort of progress. And there is quite a lot of this blaming, counter-blaming going on here, because the Russians also, and these pro-Russian protesters, are saying that the Ukrainian government itself is not upholding its side of the bargain. So, the stalemate here continues. The organization for security and cooperation in
[Blitzer:] Arwa, there was an incident over the weekend, a shooting at a checkpoint. Pro-Russian forces say they were attacked. What do we know about that? Is that confirmed?
[Damon:] Yes, Wolf, it is. Three pro-Russian protesters who were manning that checkpoint were killed. The funerals for them were held earlier today. People, understandably, emotional, as you can only imagine. And the situation here, no real signs of any sort of de- escalation. There also, yesterday, was yet another takeover of a police headquarters. The police chief seen marched off. He, as far as we are aware, still being detained by these pro-Russian protesters. A slight sign that, perhaps, something may be negotiated is that here, in Donetsk, at the main administrative building that has been under pro-Russian protesters control, they have, seemingly, agreed to at least clear out of two floors so that people could go back to work. But all things considered, Wolf, no significant progress here as this crisis continues.
[Blitzer:] And the crisis is continuing. Arwa, thank you. Arwa Damon, reporting live from eastern Ukraine. We're going to have more on Ukraine a little bit later this hour when Gloria Borger takes a closer look at vice president Biden's trip, what it could mean back here in the United States. Stand by for that. Now, to the search for Flight 370. The visual search for the plane was called off for this day as a tropical cyclone moved toward the search zone. But the Bluefin 21 underwater robot is still in the under now, churning through its 10th search mission. Time though is running out as it has scanned more than two-thirds of the search zone. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is in Perth, Australia with the very latest.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, today's weather may have had an impact on the aerial search for debris, but it Didn't seem to have too much of an effect on the Bluefin 21, now, as far as we know, in the midst of its 10th dive. Now, as of yesterday, two-thirds of that narrowed search area had been scoured. Still no signs of the missing plane. Some are wondering what are going to be the next steps. Now, an official with the U.S. Navy telling CNN that the key stakeholders are in the early stages of those discussions. There's been talk of a broader search area, possibly introducing more submersibles into the mix to be able to cover more area in a shorter period of time. What they're doing right now is they're searching a six-mile radius around the point of the second ping that was detected on April 8th. They're doing that because it was the strongest of the four pings. But some analysts suggesting perhaps they should search in the areas of the other pings as well. Now, that spokesperson for the U.S. Navy telling CNN that they're planning for as far out as July. So, they are long-term plans but, at the same time, there's a short-term focus. They're focusing on the task at hand. Very important, they say, that the Bluefin 21 either rule this area in or rule it out completely. Meanwhile, weather continuing to be a factor into tomorrow. Forecasters say more showers, more wind could impact the aerial search Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Erin McLaughlin's in Perth, Australia for us. Thanks to Erin. Coming up in a few moments, we'll get our panel of experts here to talk about the growing frustration of the family members of Flight 370's passengers. Just ahead, the captain of that sinking ferry in South Korea told everyone not to move. Did that command cost hundreds of lives? A former U.S. Coast Guard accident investigator standing by live to join us. And later, the vice president, Joe Biden, gives Ukraine a pep talk. Take a closer look at the significance of his message. Our own Gloria Borger is here.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] RELIABLE SOURCES with guest host Eric Deggans of NPR will begin shortly and for our international viewers, "GLOBAL EXCHANGE" is coming up with breaking news out of Iran. But, first, we want to bring you the latest that we have here. The United States and five other world powers have reached a diplomatic breakthrough with Iran sealing a deal to slow Iran's nuclear program. Iran wins an easing of sanctions in exchange for limitations on its nuclear activities. President Obama strongly welcomed the deal.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Substantial limitations, which will help prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon. Simply put, they cut off Iran's most likely paths to a bomb.
[Blitzer:] Tehran is celebrating but there are warnings from congressional critics and from Israel's prime minister who says the deal makes the world in his words much more dangerous. The Secretary of State John Kerry tells CNN the deal should make Israel safer.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] We believe very strongly that because the Iranian nuclear program is actually set backwards and is actually locked into place in critical places, that that is better for Israel than if you were just continuing to go down the road and they rush towards a nuclear weapon.
[Blitzer:] We have full coverage including reaction from around the world. CNN's Reza Sayah standing by in Iran's capital of Tehran. Ian Lee is in Jerusalem. Let's go to our chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto. He's in Geneva. He's been covering these negotiations. And, Jim, let's look ahead briefly. What's next as far as this deal is concerned?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, this is an interim deal. Just lasts six months. In effect they hit pause on Iran's nuclear program on some of it and some on the sanction regime and they'll get into the harder process of talking about deleting some of these programs. For instance, when you talk about centrifuges, Iran has agreed here not to add any new ones or bring them online. Are they going to dismantle some of them going forward? The Arak heavy water reactor, a second path to nuclear weapon, a plutonium facility, are they going to convert that facility into something more peaceful? In this agreement, they've just agreed to stop building it, stop upgrading it. So, the next stage of these talks are arguably more difficult because they are talking about long-term but certainly a tremendous agreement today because I think if you and I were talking a few weeks ago, a couple months ago, we couldn't have predicted an agreement with this severe restrictions on both sides.
[Blitzer:] They didn't really wrap it up in Geneva until around, what, 3:00 a.m. Geneva time. They worked for days on this and well into the night. The secretary of state obviously very pleased, but the critical reaction coming in from some in Washington, members of Congress, not only Republicans but some Democrats, critical reaction from Israel, from some of the from the Saudis, for example. How are they dealing with that?
[Sciutto:] Well, that's going to be a problem going forward. It just seems that this administration, U.S. administration, has accepted it. That they're going to disagree with two of their arguably closest allies in the region, Saudi Arabia and Israel, who both have been lobbying against this deal leading up to it. And now, as you saw today, Netanyahu saying the world is a more dangerous place today than it was, whereas Kerry says the exact opposite, that it's safer. You know, U.S. officials keep going back to the talking point that this is just a tactical disagreement with Israel but it's a fundamental tactical disagreement here because in effect, the U.S. is saying we can make a deal with Iran. We can if it's verifiable trust Iran and Iranians and the Saudis are saying the opposite. You can't trust them. That's a very serious disagreement. You don't see how they reconcile that going forward, so you know administration going through this next phase, longer term phase, is going to face similar, arguably, harder opposition.
[Blitzer:] Real source of tension right now between the United States and Israel, the Obama administration and government of Prime Minister Netanyahu. Jim Sciutto in Geneva, thanks very much. Let's go to Tehran right now. Reza Sayah has been getting reaction from folks on the street and others inside Iran. I take it, Reza, they are happy about this easing of international sanctions?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International C Orrespondent:] They are. They know it's an interim deal. They're not quite sure what the long-term implications are. But the overwhelming reaction here is a positive one. Many Iranians are happy that Iran sat across from the world powers and managed to hammer out a deal. For many Iranians, this was a roller coaster of emotions, three rounds of talks. At about 5:30 a.m. this morning word came that an agreement had been reached. The big sanctions that are really impacting the lives of Iranians here are the ones on oil exports, banking restrictions, they are still in place. Iranians believe this is a positive step, a golden opportunity to get to those sanctions and to get to a place where those sanctions are going to be lifted. And if that happens, you can look at it in a number of ways of who the winners are. But, certainly, the Iranian people could be the biggest winners. Remember, this is a very young, educated population who suffered through years of economic isolation, these crippling sanctions. They voted in Hassan Rouhani, Iran's new president, back in June. They gave him mandate to take office and improve the economy, and best way to improve the economy, obviously, was to ease some of these sanctions and they believe this is the first step in doing that Wolf.
[Blitzer:] It's interesting, Reza. As you and I are speaking, the White House just released the official text of the document, the U.S.Iranian agreement. It's called a joint plan of action. Let me read the first two or three sentences, Reza. I'm going to get your reaction. "The goal of these negotiations is to reach a mutually agreed long-term comprehensive solution that would ensure Iran's nuclear program will be exclusively peaceful. Iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek or develop any nuclear weapons. This comprehensive solution would build on these initial measures and result in a final step for a period to be agreed upon and resolution of concerns." Reza, that's pretty specific. Iran, according to this agreement signed in Geneva, it says it will never develop a nuclear weapon and as you know Iranians have always maintained their nuclear program is designed for peaceful purposes, but now they stipulate that directly in this agreement. How is the reaction going to be over there?
[Sayah:] Well, for Iran, this is not a new position for them. That's what they'll tell you. They'll tell you that repeatedly they have said they're not building a bomb. They'll tell you that no unbiased objective, credible organization or government has ever made public any evidence that they are actually making a bomb. Not even the IAEA. So, this is an agreement they are happy with, and they believe there are steps that Western powers can take to verify that they're not making a bomb. And what's been fascinating to observe over the last several hours is how politician leaders on both sides have cranked up their PR machine and spun this agreement in a way to make themselves look like the winner. And that's no surprise because there's so much at stake for Iran politically, domestically, and, of course, Washington and western powers, internationally and domestically as well, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And the Iranians know if they don't live up to this agreement, the text is right here. The U.S. and other international powers can ramp up those sanctions once again making life very, very miserable for the Iranians. All right. Reza, thanks very much. Let's go to Jerusalem right now. CNN's Ian Lee is standing by. The prime minister of Israel says this deal is bad and makes the situation even more dangerous. Though interesting, Ian, the president of Israel, Shimon Peres, was much more conciliatory, seemingly much more open to this agreement. There seems to be a little bit of a split there. Is that what you're getting?
[Ian Lee, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, it's definitely what it appears, wolf. The president elderly statesman, someone widely respected in Israel said the success or failure of the deal will be judged by results and not by words and he said, I would like to say to the Iranian people you are not our enemy and we are not yours. There's a possibility to solve this diplomatically. It is in your hands to reject terrorism to stop the nuclear program and stop development of long range missiles. They prefer diplomatic solutions and that's a lot softer approach than we heard from other officials in the Israeli government that came out strong, especially the prime minister who said that this is an historic mistake. And when you talk with officials in the Israeli government, they have a few things set out that they believe would have been better and that would have been the dismantling of the centrifuges, that all the enriched uranium be taken out of Iran. And, finally for that heavy water plant in Iraq, to be dismantled as well. This would have been a deal that they would have liked to have seen. Prime Minister Netanyahu has said that it's either all or nothing in his eyes, that either Iran gives up their nuclear program and gets relief of sanctions or the sanctions continue, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Ian Lee in Jerusalem, Reza Sayah in Tehran, Jim Sciutto in Geneva. Guys, thanks very much. We're going to be following the breaking developments involved in this historic international nuclear deal with Iran throughout the day here on CNN. RELIABLE SOURCES will begin right after the break for our domestic viewers. The fallout from the controversial comments made by the MSNBC anchor Martin Bashir, that will be a focus of RELIABLE SOURCES. For our international viewers, "GLOBAL EXCHANGE" coming up next with much more on Iran.

[Amara Walker:] Hello, I'm Amara Walker at CNN Center in Atlanta. Welcome to NEWS STREAM where news and technology meet. Palestinian officials say 26 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes since Monday as Israel answers militant rockets with attacks of their own. Shock and sadness in Brazil as Germany humiliates the hosts. Brail crashed out of the World Cup after a 7-1 defeat. And both candidates claim victory in Indonesia's presidential election. Israel warns it may send ground troops across the border into Gaza to stop a barrage of rocket attacks. The Israeli military says Hamas militants have fired more than 130 rockets into Israel in the past 24 hours. Air raid sirens rang out in Tel Aviv as Israel's Iron Dome intercepted a rocket over the city. Israel says it launched 160 airstrikes on, quote, terror sites in Gaza early Wednesday. Palestinian officials say 26 people have been killed and more than 150 people have been injured in the air strikes since Monday. Now a human rights group says eight of those killed in the air strikes were children. Diana Magnay is near Asghalan in Israel near the Gaza border. Diana, the death toll is rising. Eight children dead. What's the latest?
[Diana Magnay, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, I'm being plagued by flies. I apologize, Amara. There are continuing rocket attacks from Gaza towards Isarel, long range missiles being used. As you mentioned, there were rockets intercepted over Tel Aviv and a barrage of rocket fire last night. And there were also three that actually went over Jerusalem and hit parts of Jerusalem. But the thing about this Iron Dome missile defense shield, which the Israelis have put in place since 2012 is that it is and has been working very effectively to intercept rockets that are aimed at civilian densely populated areas like those key cities. And what we are learning from the IDF is that one of the rockets, which actually last night went beyond Tel Aviv to Khadeira was something called an M302 missile, which they believe to have been supplied to Hamas by Iran. They believe that because a few months ago they intercepted a ship carrying a large amount of the M302 missiles, which they said back then was being transported for Hamas by Iran. Clearly, you know, despite the efficiency of the Iron Dome system and the Israeli air strikes on Gaza territory, and they have targeted 160 areas overnight, concealed rocket launches, weapons caches and also the homes of Hamas militants. This does not seem to be deterring from Hamas and other militant groups from using their rockets and possibly also showing what kind of weaponry they have and how far it can go. Effectively these missiles can reach 99 miles, across most of Israel, Amara.
[Walker:] So you have these long range rockets being used by Hamas. Israel saying that ground troops is a possibility. How likely is that considering what's happened in the past?
[Magnay:] Well, in 2012 ground troops again were amassed, or reservists it was discussed the possibility of using ground troops in the conflict at the end of 2012. In the end, there was a ceasefire brokered by Egypt and they weren't brought in. At the moment, what the IDF is saying is that they have been authorized to bring in an extra 40,000 reservists who would then, for example, go to the West Bank whilst the regular forces would move into Gaza. But they haven't recruited that many people yet. It's not as though 40,000 are waiting on the borders for the marching orders to go in. And obviously once you send in ground troops you up the ante. Once you have these two populations Hamas militants facing off on the ground with Israeli forces that changes the dynamics significantly. Israel is saying it's still hypothetical. It is on the cards. Their objective seems to be not just to cease the rocket fire into Israel, but also to hammer Hamas so that they seriously deplete its weapon capabilities, its rocket firing capabilities. And if you think about the fact that they believe Hamas to have some 10,000 missiles, then that probably is going to take quite some time Amara.
[Walker:] You know, these Israeli air strikes that have been carried out, some people are getting phone calls in Gaza warning that an attack is imminent. Are civilians getting enough time to evacuate? And are human rights groups saying anything about this? And also what's being done to mediate an end to this crisis that we've seen time and time again?
[Magnay:] Well, this knock on the roof, as it's called, is part of the strategy of the IDF really to try and avoid unnecessary or you know, too many casualties. So the calls are made by Israeli intelligence to these houses five minutes before an air strike. Now yesterday in Gaza we saw a situation where a call was made. Civilians went onto the roof and formed a human shield and the airstrike happened nonetheless, seven of them killed in that attack, two of them just 9-year- old, 10-year-old boys. So, you know, there are going to be casualties whatever precautions the Israelis put into place and that is the sad fact of conflict.
[Walker:] All right, Diana Magnay with the latest there. Diana, thank you for that report. Well, the Israeli defense forces says Iron Dome missiles that Diana talked about have intercepted dozens of rockets fired at Israel from Gaza since Monday. Now the high tech system has been in use since 2011. It's mainly used to intercept rockets fired from Gaza. Israel's military claims the Iron Dome intercepted more than 80 percent of incoming rockets fired during the 2012 conflict with Hamas. Each interceptor missile cost almost $50,000 and they are largely paid for by the U.S. Well, the airstrike have turned homes into in Gaza, into rubble. Israel says it's taking aim at Hamas militants and says it's warning civilians to get out of harm's way. But as Ben Wedeman reports, that may not be enough to save lives in one of the most densely packed places on Earth.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn International Correspondent:] Rihab picks through the ruins of what was her home, destroyed by an Isareli war plane Tuesday afternoon. Seven people were killed in the strike, including two young boys. "I heard the blast," says neighbor Salha, "then saw them pulling out the bodies." Five minutes before the strike, Rihab received a phone call. "I'm David," he said. "And he called me by my name," she tells me. "He said, get out of the house for your children's sake." She wouldn't say if she or her family were part of Hamas, but those killed were forming a human shield on the roof of a home belonging to members of Hamas' military wing, Palestinians sources said. The Israeli military makes these warning calls known as a "knock on the roof" before a strike to minimize civilian casualties. Here, the roof was knocked clean off. Rihab left the house in this cramped neighborhood of Han Unis in southern Gaza before the missile struck. Regardless of what the target might be, the problem in Gaza is that it is one of the most crowded places on Earth. Wherever Israel strikes, there's a high probability that innocent people will be hurt. Many of the homes struck Tuesday belong to families believed to be associated with Hamas. Ahmed, who lives across the ally, echoes the anger of the neighborhood. "In that house," he says, "lived an old man and his wife and his five sons and their wives and children and they hit it. It's routine for the Israelis. Any Palestinian is a target." 12 hours earlier, the Zalut family home in Gaza City suffered a similar fate. They also received a warning. "
[A 3:] 15 in the morning," says Majid Zalut, "my cousin received a call to leave the house within five minutes while we were having our last meal before the Ramadan fast. Five minutes later, they struck." In this case, the knock on the roof left no injuries. Others weren't so lucky. Ben Wedeman, CNN, Gaza.
[Walker:] And you are watching News Stream. Still to come, the winners of a World Cup semifinal are usually ecstatic with joy, but it was a somber scene after Tuesday's match as German players handed out hugs to a devastated Brazil. Yeah, it was just that bad. We bring you more on one of the football tournament's most stunning defeats. Plus, a look ahead at what to expect from today's semifinal when top teams Argentina and the Netherlands face off. We take you live to Brazil next.

[Camerota:] Alright, well, investigative reporter Seymour Hersh was on NEW DAY minutes ago. He was defending a new report suggesting that the White House lied about the manhunt that killed Osama bin Laden. Does Hersh's report pass the smell test?
[Cuomo:] The White House lied, Pakistan lied, the SEALs lied, the Saudis lied, everybody's lying. Let's have some people on here to tell the truth. CNN political commentator and host of "The Ben Ferguson Show," Ben Ferguson, and CNN political commentator and host of Huff Post Live, Marc Lamont Hill.
[Ben Ferguson, Cnn Political Commentator:] Good morning.
[Cuomo:] I mean that's my main takeaway having just interviewed him, is that for this to be true, what Hersh has in his reporting, and again his pedigree is long, everybody's lying, Ben, not just some people.
[Ferguson:] Well, I highly doubt the SEALs are lying to the point. I mean they they have a pretty big code of integrity when it comes to raids and what's happened and look at all the heat that even those that have mentioned anything about the raid have taken from other SEAL members. I can't imagine that they would allow this lie to be taken this far and to be a part of it. And also, like you said, you have multiple governments that would have had to lie for this to happen. I'm not buying it at all. I mean I'm not saying that they weren't maybe protecting him or some people in Pakistan knew where he was or in an area where he was. I think it's very, very realistic. But overall, no.
[Camerota:] And, Marc, I mean one of the things two of the big claims that Seymour Hersh is saying is that Pakistan knew all along where he was and that there was no firefight when the Navy SEALs rushed in. They didn't encounter
[Marc Lamont Hill, Cnn Political Commentator:] That's a tough claim. The second thing was particularly tough, to say that there was absolutely no firefight, because as Chris said, it means a bunch of people are lying. But not just a bunch of people, but a bunch of people who historically and by practice don't cover for each other. So it's not so it doesn't make sense to me. The idea that Pakistan could have in some way had access to information or intelligence about bin Laden's whereabouts
[Cuomo:] It was weird where he was. That we thought he was in the Hindu Kush mountains
[Ferguson:] Sure, he was at a resort.
[Hill:] Yes. Yes.
[Cuomo:] And he was right down the street from the equivalent of their west point. That's always been a point of intrigue.
[Hill:] That is curious, and it would be bad for business in terms of stability in the region and political strength for Pakistan to have known where he was and not revealed it, or to have been babysitting him for an extended period of time. So there is some plausibility to this argument that Pakistan would be lying at some point, but the idea everyone is lying.
[Ferguson:] The other thing is, not having a firefight, you're telling me that people that pledge allegiance to do things like 911, to blow up buildings, to blow up ships, to blow all these things up that al Qaeda has done as terrorists, all of a sudden America comes in and you're just going to lay down your arms and say we don't want to fight?
[Cuomo:] And also, Peter Bergen went there.
[Ferguson:] Especially if you're willing to live in a hole with Osama bin Laden. I mean, think about how isolated, that's a role in al Qaeda that's much more isolated than any other role. You have got to be so quiet, you have to cut off virtually all of your family contacts. You're not living even close to a normal life and they come in, you go, hey, don't shoot me?
[Cuomo:] And Peter Bergen went to the compound before they destroyed it in Abbottabad and he said it was riddled with bullets, so somebody would have had to have done that as some part of the coverup. But then on the other side, why would Hersh go with a story that has this many holes if he didn't feel confident in the people he was talking to?
[Hill:] I think he believes it. I don't think this is salacious sensational journalism here. I think he could be wrong, but sincerely wrong. First of all, he relied on one senior official as the primary contact.
[Cuomo:] He says he talked to other people and he did a lot of vetting, but he does get a lot from this one anonymous source.
[Hill:] But these other people haven't said publicly, at least, that this story is true. Saying something is plausible is very different than saying something affirmatively happened and that's what we haven't seen so far.
[Ferguson:] I would say anything's plausible when you have a guy this close to their West Point. There is a very good chance you might have one or two people that knew where he was and they didn't give him up.
[Camerota:] Okay.
[Ferguson:] For whatever reason, but to say they were protecting him? I don't know if I would buy that.
[Camerota:] But if there is something in Seymour Hersh's investigative reporting, if there is a germ of truth somewhere and if it turns out that the administration somehow fudged or fabricated what happened that night, then what did that mean for the administration?
[Ferguson:] It means everything else
[Hill:] I don't think it means anything.
[Ferguson:] I disagree. I think if they lied and there's something that you can prove, that they did not tell the American people or the world the actual story that happened, then everything else in his article now becomes plausible to people. Well, they lied to us about this and lied about this, they misled us on this, so now maybe I do believe more of this.
[Hill:] I took what you're saying to mean if we verify that much of this is not provable but this one thing is, that they overstated the role of the U.S. military, they overstate their own intelligence, or they dismissed the role of the ISI in terms of what it knew and how it intervened. I think that is problematic, but I think we may overestimate how much the American people and the global community care how Osama bin Laden got killed.
[Ferguson:] I cannot imagine Osama bin Laden being taken and thinking that somehow he was going to end up in American hands without laying down a fight or the people in front of him. That's the part to me that I cannot see in any circumstance where he's going to say, okay, here's my weapon, let's go to trial, hand me over to another country? There's no way that wasn't a blaze of glory going down.
[Hill:] What would be the logic, what would be the motivation for the president to say that we had absolutely no outside help, that this was a purely U.S. mission?
[Ferguson:] Pakistan didn't want to have blood on their hands because of possible people, they would anger their own society, say, hey, this is all America, I don't want any part of this.
[Hill:] Then it becomes a conspiracy between the United States and Pakistan, that Pakistan actually didn't want to have blood on his hands.
[Cuomo:] Pakistan put out really hard statements after this saying this was a complete rejection of their sovereignty, and Hersh's theory is they had a plan where everybody was going to acknowledge it and went wrong because the president decided to
[Hill:] This sounds like an episode of "House of Cards" more than it does an actual political I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
[Camerota:] Ben, Marc, thank you. Great to see you guys. Let's get over to Michaela.
[Pereira:] Well, it's graduation season, lots of commencements happening. First Lady Michelle Obama speaking candidly about race during a commencement speech in Alabama. Her passionate speech and message to the students next.

[Berman:] Many of the world's best golfers in Augusta, Georgia, for the Masters. That starts tomorrow.
[Romans:] That includes Tiger Woods. He hasn't won a major tournament in almost seven years. Coy Wire has more in this morning's "Bleacher Report." Hey, Coy.
[Coy Wire, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Good morning, guys. Yes, seven years since a major and it's been over two months since he's been in a tournament. What's he been doing? He's been chilling on his yacht, just hanging out? He told the media exactly what he's been up to. Listen.
[Tiger Woods, 4-time Masters Champion:] I worked my
[Wire:] Tiger said he's been practicing from, quote, "sunup to sundown" to get ready for what will be his 20th appearance at the Masters. He's ready to rock. It's not all work and no play for Tiger, though. He's going to participate in the par 3 contest, and both of his kids will be caddying for him. In hoops news, the women of UConn and Notre Dame faced off in the finals of the NCAA tournament in a rematch of last year's title game. UConn has dominated all season. And last night was no different. They dominated on offense. Look at that. Money. And they beat up the boards, bullied their way to a victory, 63-53. The Lady Huskies earning their third straight championship and tenth title. That's head coach Gino Auriemma, 10-0 in championship games. The Huskies are 78-1 in the past two seasons. Wow! All right. Yesterday, we told you about how former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney finished in the top 1 percent with his NCAA bracket picks. Well, that was only good enough for 6,326th place among the 11.5 million entries in ESPN's challenge. So, who ended up on top? How about this kid, 12-year-old Sam Holtz tied for first place, but he won the tiebreaker. Unfortunately for the little fella from Lake Zurich, Illinois, you have to be at least 18 to claim the grand prize. That would have been $20,000 gift card and a trip to the 2015 Maui Invitational. Man! All right. Atlanta Hawks' coach Mike Budenholzer, he made a huge announcement that the team's pregame news conference yesterday before their matchup with the Suns. He said that the Hawks signed 8-year-old Lake Bozman to a contract. Now, Lake is fighting leukemia. In February, he was scheduled to go to Disneyworld with the Burt Show and Burt's Big Adventure. He was too sick to made the trip, but the Burt Show made it up to him in a big way. Lake Bozman signed the one-day contract yesterday, got his very own jersey, and sat courtside for the game. Check him out on Twitter there. You can see him hanging out with some of the guys from the team. He even got to hang out with the cheerleaders. The coach Budenholzer said, guys, that, quote, "We look for very, very special people to add to our team who are brave and strong." And it was a great night for Atlanta. Bozman and the Hawks, they crushed the Suns, 96-69 and broke a franchise record for wins with 58.
[Berman:] That's great to see. In some ways, that's the most important deal they'll sign all year, makes the biggest difference.
[Wire:] Absolutely.
[Berman:] Coy Wire, great to see you this morning. Thanks so much.
[Wire:] You, too, guys. Thanks.
[Romans:] Those are the sports stories I love. John Berman reads batting scores.
[Berman:] It's baseball season. I have to check the stats during commercials.
[Romans:] All right. Twenty-seven minutes past the hour. A police officer charged with murder caught on camera shooting an unarmed black man in the back multiple times. The victim running away from the officer, new developments after the break.

[Hammer:] How are you feeling tonight? Congratulations. Three Emmy nominations.
[Julie Chen, Co-host, Cbs`s "the Talk":] We`re not going to lie. We would love to win, but we are just happy to be nominated to be here.
[Aisha Tyler, Co-host, Cbs`s "the Talk":] Nominated against some great people, you know, our colleagues.
[Hammer:] That was on the Emmy`s red carpet last year. I was right there with the ladies of "The Talk." They were all pumped up about their three Emmy nominations. This year they have bumped it up to five. So you can only imagine their excitement now. I`m going to be right there, live on the red carpet once again for this year`s highly-anticipated 40th annual daytime Emmy Awards. Wow, it`s going to be such a great night. We`re going to kick it off, of course, at SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s live red carpet show at 7:30. All of the celebrities will be making their arrivals then. And then it`s on to what will be a terrific awards show with a star-studded lineup of presenters. And just to give you a little taste of what`s to come, I went on location to the set of "The Talk." The ladies had a lot to say about their five big daytime Emmy nominations, including a nod for outstanding talk show.
[Chen:] Our top topic for today is host for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN, A.J. Hammer.
[Hammer:] I have to offer my congratulations, my huge congratulations on your daytime Emmy nominations, five of them. Two years in a row now. This is enormous.
[Sara Gilbert, Co-host, Cbs`s "the Talk":] We`re really excited. The thing that we love the most is when we get nominated for best show we all get the celebrate together. So that`s the sweetest nomination of all.
[Hammer:] And I look forward to being at the party. You know, guys, we all got to hang last year. And last year most of you said it`s great to just be invited except for Sharon, of course, who said, "We have to win." This is the year. This is the year to win.
[Chen:] Well, I don`t like to jinx anything. I will say last year I was happy that Regis won because it was his final year, and I really felt like he deserved it. This year I`m not even thinking about it. I`m just happy to be nominated.
[Hammer:] Sharon, you really became, in my mind, this unlikely huge TV grand dame of television over the years. Of course, most people got to know you watching "The Osbournes." But this is your gig and it just is like a perfect role for you, being here and talking about all this stuff every day.
[Sharon Osbourne, Co-host, Cbs`s "the Talk":] You know, it doesn`t feel like a gig or a job. It`s really a gift. It is. You can`t say this is work, because we come in, you know, we have the best time, and just blessed to be here.
[Gilbert:] Yes, and I think if Sharon ever felt like something was work she`d leave.
[Hammer:] Yes, actually, I do get that impression, and actually, I believe she`s done that. But I digress. And you sort of bounced around, did a lot of great things and had all of these great gigs over the years, but now I really watch you on the show, and it seems to me like you feel like you`re at home.
[Tyler:] Do you know what I mean? Like a hot guy can pretty much get away with anything. I think so. It`s so great to spend time with women every day. I really feel like we`ve got this incredible sisterhood is kind of kicked around a lot. But I just feel like there`s a real friendship that translates onto the show. It`s not work. It`s just getting time to spend with your girlfriends.
[Hammer:] And Sheryl, for you we got to hear your voice on the radio for so many years, but this is the show that gave your face, really, this national stage.
[Sheryl Underwood, Co-host, Cbs`s "the Talk":] Yes, and that`s why hair and makeup is Emmy nominated, because this is not me. This is an illusion.
[Hammer:] It`s so great to be on the set with the ladies of "The Talk" and be part of all their excitement over their nominations. You can really feel it. Good luck to them. We want you to be right there with us. I`m going to be live on the red carpet bringing you full coverage of the daytime Emmy arrivals. That kicks off Sunday night, June 16, here on
[Hln, 7:] 30 p.m. Eastern. That will take you right into the 40th annual daytime Emmy Awards show at 8 p.m. Eastern. You don`t want to miss it. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT in London on another red carpet where Angelina Jolie just made her first appearance since her double mastectomy to prevent cancer.
[Jolie:] I`ve been very happy to see the discussion about women`s health expanded, and that means to world to me. And after losing my mom to these issues, I`m very grateful for it. And I`ve been very moved by the kind support from people.
[Hammer:] It`s Angie`s big return. She looks terrific. SHOWBIZ is right there. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is revealing another bombshell cancer revelation. Legendary actor Michael Douglas now says oral sex may be the reason for his throat cancer. We`re going inside the Oscar-winner`s shocking confession. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.

[Asher:] Welcome back, everyone. We go to China now where rescuers say there are no signs of life from their search inside a capsized cruise ship. The death toll there now stands at 66.
[Vause:] More than 450 were on board when the "Eastern Star" capsized during a violent storm. Rescuers have been trying to cut a hole in the hull of the ship trying to find survivors. Others are searching the riverbanks. 220 kilometers or 130 miles downstream. So far, only 14 survivors have been found. More than 370 passengers and crew are still missing. David McKenzie joins us on the line from the banks of the Yangtze River with the very latest on all this. David, they've been at this now for two days. Is there any realistic chance of finding more survivors?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn Correspondent:] John, the chances are growing slimmer by the hour. They're hoping to head towards the actual scene of where the ship overturned. They're trying to get inside the hull, the hull that overturned, cutting with welders and other means to get divers inside. And just looking at the water here, you can get a sense of how difficult the search and rescue operation is. It's a fast-flowing river. The water is basically zero visibility. Divers describe just how difficult it is, trying to piece their way through, if they get in, hand over fist to see any signs of life. As you say, at this stage, no signs of life coming out. The situation is looking very grim, indeed John?
[Vause:] There's many relatives of those on board this boat, are angry at the government. Why, exactly?
[Mckenzie:] They're angry because they want information but also, of course, they're angry because of the situation. I spoke to one man who said that his parents were told this is the safest way to travel in China. So, obviously, there's shock and had shock has culminated into anger. The government says they're doing everything they can to assist the families. They're putting them in hotels, giving them what information they can. But, of course, with only a small number of rescues and a small number of bodies recovered, it's looking like it could be a very strong process and, obviously, a very dangerous one for the divers trying to get to anyone alive. Unfortunately, the operation to salvage this vessel.
[Vause:] Finally, is there a time frame on this operation? How much longer will those rescue crews keep at it?
[Mckenzie:] Well, they will certainly keep at it for the foreseeable future. What I'm seeing right now in the distance is the vessel itself. And it's got a huge amount, in fact, 500 tons of salvage equipment around it. But they have these giant cranes that they hope to adjust the way the vessel is lying in the water to more easily get inside and presumably at some point bring it either to shore or bring it up from underneath the Yangtze. But it's an incredibly difficult process and there's a huge amount of personnel here, mostly military, trying to continue this operation. But, you know, I think it's going to go on for days and days.
[Vause:] David McKenzie on the Yangtze River not far from where the "Eastern Star" capsized. David, thank you.
[Asher:] In these types of situations, you hope and pray for a miracle. But after so many days, realistically, it is unlikely they will find any
[Vause:] Everyone hopes there will be maybe one more.
[Asher:] One more, exactly. A U.S. defense official says the Pentagon may have mistakenly shipped live anthrax to more laboratories than previously reported. Anthrax samples that were thought to be inactive were shipped to 51 laboratories across the United States, as well as Canada, Australia and South Korea.
[Vause:] The deputy secretary of defense says there's no danger of an outbreak.
[Robert Work, Deputy Secretary Of Defense:] I have no reason to believe that there's any danger of this causing any type of an outbreak outside the laboratories. And I don't believe that we will have anybody infected that we are waiting to find out.
[Asher:] We turn now to South Korea the president held an emergency meeting Wednesday in response to her country's growing outbreak of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome.
[Vause:] So far, two people have died. At least 35 cases have been confirmed. The World Health Organization warns the MERS outbreak in South Korea is likely to get worse.
[Asher:] For the latest on the outbreak, I want to bring CNN's Kathy Novak who joins us live from Seoul. Kathy, you know, you've got 1300 people who have been quarantined. I guess the big question now is does South Korea have the resources and the capability to really get this virus under control?
[Kathy Novak, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, people are increasingly concerned here, Zain. You can see the front page of the paper talking about those 1300 people quarantined that you just mentioned. You might be able to see people wearing face masks, people in the public taking precautions themselves. We're being told authorities do not expect at this stage for the virus to spread into the public. So far, it has been contained with people who have had contact in medical facilities and this passport that the president has set up is working precisely on making sure that it stays that way, that the virus is contained and that the hospitals have all the resources that they need the diagnose and to treat the people who have been affected.
[Asher:] And, Kathy, this is a relatively new virus. It was only sort of brought to people's attention back in 2012, so only three years ago. But we know that it doesn't necessarily spread that easily between humans. So is there a fear at all that the virus mutating and becoming more contagious?
[Novak:] That is some of the fear among the public, Zain. People have been frustrated that they say they didn't get enough information in the early stages and now the government is trying to give more regular updates to give people the correct information about this virus. But as you say, part of the problem is very little is known. It's only been in the past couple of years. This is the biggest outbreak that has been scene outside of the Middle East. So the advice for the public has so far been relatively basic hygiene kits, such as washing hands often because well, the fear is that the spread is from human to human sharing, contact with objects as doorknobs, for example. But people are taking those extra steps of wearing face masks and avoiding large crowds to try to protect themselves. And, of course, the major focus is on containment, on making sure that anyone at all, family members, friends who had visited the hospital, doctors and nurses that may have come in contact and may have been exposed are quarantined.
[Asher:] Right. And we know the virus initially spread through hospitals. So now the hospitals actually have a challenge of, I guess, reassuring the public that they are still safe. OK. Kathy Novak live for us in Seoul. Kathy, thank you so much. We appreciate that. In a scathing new report, Amnesty International accuses the Nigerian military of crimes so beautiful they echo some of the Boko Haram's worst offenses. Take a look at this video. This video is provided by Amnesty International as part of their report.
[Vause:] It says senior commanders must be investigators for their roles in the deaths of more than 8,000 prisoners.
[Anna Neistat, Head Of Research, Amnesty International:] This report is a very comprehensive investigation, based on years of research into war crimes and potential crimes against humanity committed by the Nigerian Military. This presents cases of executions, massive deaths in custody, torture, and disappearances and massive arbitrary arrests. And most importantly, in this report, we named officials who we believe are individually responsible or they have command responsibility for the violations.
[Vause:] And we have a response from Nigeria's military rejecting that Amnesty report saying, "Each of the previous allegations have been thoroughly responded to and cleared in the public officially. The title down to the body of the allegations smacks the extreme bias, which is disturbing coming from an otherwise reputable organization that is expected to be just and fair to all."
[Asher:] We go now to Europe where the Ukrainian military says at least 200 Russian-backed separatists fired heavy artillery at Ukrainian positions in the eastern part of the country on Wednesday.
[Vause:] Witnesses say it is the worst fighting they've seen since the ceasefire was announced months ago. Here is Robyn Curnow with the details.
[Robyn Curnow, Cnn Correspondent:] Sounds of the so-called cease-fire. The separatists cache with government forces in eastern Ukraine. Heavy artillery fire was reported near Donetsk on Wednesday in what observers call some of the worst fighting since the shaky ceasefire was declared back in February. Activists from a group supporting the separatists described the scene.
[Unidentified Activist:] 10 minutes ago, the Ukrainian site opened fire and now rebels are engaging in return fire against the Ukrainian side. Over there, 100 meters ahead of us, there are front line positions and the guys are engaging in machine contact with the enemy.
[Curnow:] The spokesman for pro Russian rebels blame provocation by Ukrainian forces for the clashes, but Ukrainian military officials say 200 rebels attacked first.
[Unidentified Ukrainian Military Official:] The enemy started massive shelling of our positions from heavy weaponry. Tanks, mortars, artillery were used. The enemy is trying to move forward.
[Curnow:] Ukrainian officials say they turned back the rebel attack and deny reports that 25 of their soldiers were wounded in the fighting. This comes on the heels of a Reuters report showing Russia's army massing troops, tanks and other weaponry near the border with Ukraine. Officials in Kiev claim Russia is preparing for a new offensive. Russia isn't commenting on its troop movements and continues to deny its military is involved in the conflict. While both sides point fingers, fighting is heating up again. And it appears the fragile ceasefire is closer than ever to collapse. Robyn Curnow, CNN.
[Vause:] Now to California and an update on the pipeline rupture that spilled 100,000 gallons of oil onto the coastline. Federal investigators say it happened because the pipe's wall has worn away to a fraction of an inch in thickness. The initial findings released on Wednesday also say the area that failed was close to another badly corroded part of the pipe. That corrosion was discovered in inspections in 2012. When we come back on CNN NEWSROOM, the FBI has a new warning about the online threat militants pose to national security. Those details just ahead.

[Crowley:] Joining me now, Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She is chair of the Democratic National Committee. I want to take you just a little bit off topic at the beginning, because I want to ask you about this interim deal with Iran that the U.S. and other nations have been pushing. So far, it hasn't come together. But you have heard some of the criticism, particularly from Israel, but there are other problems with the Saudis, etc. Looking at this. How comfortable are with you what you've heard about what the U.S. and others are seeking?
[Wasserman Schultz:] Well, I think any time that you are actually at the diplomatic table negotiating on a question that, just a year or so ago, would have been unfathomable the idea that we could actually get Iran to back off its pursuit of nuclear weapons, number one, it demonstrates that the sanctions that we've imposed thus far have been extremely painful and effective and that President Obama's emphasis on trying to do all that we can to make sure that Iran cannot attain those nuclear weapons is working and we're going in the right direction. But, of course, any deal has to be one that makes sense and has to be one that makes sense and has to be one that makes sense for the United States' security interests and also the interests of our allies in the region.
[Crowley:] OK. All right. Let me turn you back to the topic du jour, and that is the elections that we had last week. I want to put up an exit poll from the Virginia elections where the Democrat, Terry McAuliffe won. The question was, what's your opinion of ObamaCare? Forty-six percent of Virginia voters supported it, 53 percent opposed it. I want to add onto that a meeting at the White House Wednesday with a collection of 15 Senate Democrats, most of whom are up for re- election, who rang the alarm bell at the White House and said do something, this is hurting us. Is there a fix that the president could put in place now that would ease the concerns of both those voters in Virginia and those senators having to run for re-election?
[Wasserman Schultz:] Well, Candy, let's take a look at what the election outcome in Virginia means. Terry McAuliffe won Virginia. And he won it with the same percentage, just about, that President Obama won Virginia just a year ago. And what Election Day this past Tuesday in Virginia, a very competitive state, showed you is that when the voters are presented with a candidate who focuses on creating jobs and investing in education and working together, versus a candidate who doubled down on the politics of shutdown, who embraced Tea Party extremism, who was a leader in the war on women, particularly on women's health, they overwhelmingly chose Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic candidate, and elected him.
[Crowley:] They did.
[Wasserman Schultz:] And that is what we're going to be...
[Crowley:] But are you...
[Wasserman Schultz:] looking at...
[Crowley:] Right.
[Wasserman Schultz:] just one sec. They're going to be doing they're going to be having the same choices all across the country, with Tea Party governors that were elected in 2010 having to run on similar records against candidates who are going to give them a similar choice.
[Crowley:] But did...
[Wasserman Schultz:] When it comes to ObamaCare specifically, you know, ObamaCare did not have anything to do with Tuesday's outcome. You have
[Crowley:] You don't think it made the election closer? You don't I mean because
[Wasserman Schultz:] No, I really...
[Crowley:] -
[Wasserman Schultz:] I really don't.
[Crowley:] And so more to the point...
[Wasserman Schultz:] Because if you look at the results a year ago and the results now, they were about the same.
[Crowley:] Right. If you look at 2014, if you look at this through the prism of 2014, you don't think that ObamaCare will weigh heavily on Democratic elections?
[Wasserman Schultz:] I think ObamaCare because Americans have been feeling the benefits since 2010, where young adults can stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26, where in on January 1st, if you have a pre-existing condition, like I do, as you know, as a breast cancer survivor, the peace of mind that the that those Americans are going to have knowing that they can never be dropped or denied coverage for that pre-existing condition, the preventative care that's available without a co-pay or a deductible, those are benefits that Americans have already been feeling and will increasingly feel...
[Crowley:] Tell me...
[Wasserman Schultz:] as ObamaCare is fully implemented. I think, actually, Candy, that Democratic candidates will be able to run on ObamaCare as an advantage leading into the 2014 election.
[Crowley:] How many Floridians have lost their health care insurance in the private market?
[Wasserman Schultz:] The situation that Floridians, or any person who's gotten a transition letter from their insurance company, are in is that they will have an opportunity to shop on the exchange and compare plans...
[Crowley:] But they right. But...
[Wasserman Schultz:] And...
[Crowley:] A...
[Wasserman Schultz:] and when they have you could the CEO of Florida Blue was on a Sunday show just a week or so ago talking about how they were they are offering a replacement plan for the plans that they're transitioning. And in most cases, the plan that the person is going to benefit from is actually a lower cost and has more benefits. So, you know, this it is a real significant distortion to say that people are being that hundreds of thousands of people are being canceled. What's actually happening is that they are very likely going to get a better plan for less money.
[Crowley:] Nonetheless...
[Wasserman Schultz:] But there are some...
[Crowley:] 100,000 people have I mean hundreds of thousands of people have had insurance canceled. Some of them, you know, certainly not all of them, but some of them expressed an interest in keeping it. Would you support should the president support any kind of move and there are those in Congress, and some of them are Democrats, who say, yes, people who have insurance they want to keep it in the private market should be allowed to keep it? That's not just Republicans pushing that.
[Wasserman Schultz:] Well, and the president himself said that to the extent that his commitment and our commitment that if you liked your plan you could keep it is not possible for, you know, which is actually about less than 5 percent of the folks in the individual market, then we are going to work toward making sure they can do that. What we're not going to do is we're not going to allow the Republicans, embracing the idea that we should stop people from being able to get access to quality affordable health care, we're not going to let new plans be sold, like the Upton bill would do, to allow insurance companies to drop them or deny them coverage for pre- existing conditions, to charge women double just because we're women. And, you know, to suggest that we have to do that and create two separate tracks that are going to allow people to be discriminated against again and not have good quality health care, that's unacceptable.
[Crowley:] Right.
[Wasserman Schultz:] And it's unacceptable to Americans. We're not going backwards.
[Crowley:] And just a yes or no, because I've got to run. You believe that Democrats will win running on ObamaCare in 2014?
[Wasserman Schultz:] I think because Americans reject the Tea Party extremism, they want us to focus on creating jobs and working together, and because they will feel...
[Crowley:] That's not exactly a yes.
[Wasserman Schultz:] the benefits of ObamaCare, yes.
[Crowley:] OK. All right. Thank you so much.
[Wasserman Schultz:] There you go.
[Crowley:] I really appreciate your time. Thank you, Chairwoman.
[Wasserman Schultz:] Thanks, Candy.
[Crowley:] Appreciate it. Now to Reince Priebus. He is the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Mr. Chairman, I talked the other day to Bob Dole, a man some called, in his time, in '96, too moderate to be president. And I asked him about Chris Christie. And here's what he said.
[Dole:] You know. He has some very liberal views. He'll go to Iowa, which, as you know, quite conservative. I think the Republicans are so anxious to win that he the conservatives, if he's the nominee, are going to hold their nose and vote for him. I mean, they're tired of losing.
[Crowley:] So his take at this moment is there's no frontrunner and that Chris Christie is too liberal, but nonetheless, Republicans will accept whoever they get, because they're so anxious to win. Your comment?
[Priebus:] Well, I don't know about that. I certainly respect Senator Dole a whole lot. But quite frankly, you know, for about a month, Mitt Romney won the Iowa Caucus and John McCain was the nominee before that. So I mean as far as our party not, you know, only looking at conservatives, you know, look, Chris Christie is a conservative. I think he's going to do very well in all of his endeavors. But the fact is, we've got stars all over our party, Candy. I mean we're going to be the party that is fresh and new in 2016. It's the Democrats that are going to be rolling out the same old names that you would expect them to rollout. So I love our chances. I love our bench. And we're going to have a great primary season come a few years from now.
[Crowley:] Well, you know, part of the problem of having so many stars is that it has created certainly what looks like a rift in the Republican Party, certainly a difference of opinion about direction. I want to read to you something that Tim Huelskamp, who is a Tea Party activist, as you know, said about what he perceived to be the lack of support for the Virginia candidate who is a Tea Party-backed candidate. And this was reported in Politico. Tim Huelskamp said Priebus was "running around New Jersey boosting Chris Christie instead of helping the guy that barely lost by a few thousand votes in Virginia, who was the conservative. And that, to me, doesn't bode well for how conservatives will be treated moving forward." In other words, there is suspicion inside the Republican Party, or Republican leaning people, that the party itself, the party mechanism, the RNC, is not friendly to Tea Party types like Cuccinelli, who lost the governorship in Virginia.
[Priebus:] That is just totally ridiculous, Candy. I mean the RGA and the RNC together put $11 million into Virginia. We put
[Crowley:] Sure. Far less than you did the last time around, though.
[Priebus:] around $3 million right. And then four years before that, the RNC put in $1.5 million. Here's the one thing that I think we need to get straight. In 2009, McCainPalin, much to the chagrin of John McCain, had $23 million that they transferred into the RNC. The RGA and RNC sat down I was therePalin and put it onto television into Virginia. The RNC, outside of a presidential election, is never in the business of buying millions and millions of dollars of ads. So what we decided early on is that we would put together the best possible ground game about $3 million worth into Virginia to help Ken out. And obviously the ground game, Obamacare, Ken's campaign came together closed the gap. I'm really proud of the ground game that we put together in Virginia. I know Ken is. I know their campaign manager is as well. So the day that the so-called Republican establishment puts $11 million into a single governor's race is not enough, I think we're living in crazy world. So, look, we have a lot to pay for on the ground across the country coming into 2014. Do I wish the outcome is different? Of course. Obviously, it didn't work that way. And we've got to just keep doing more across the country.
[Crowley:] Let me ask you about a few things that turned up in the exit poll that's point to continued problems for Republicans. And one of them was, let me show you the exit polls and the voting by gender. Cuccinelli took 42 percent of the female vote. McAuliffe, the Democrat took 51 percent. There is a continuing problem in attracting female voters. They played that card very well in that Virginia race. It was part of your autopsy from the last election that Republicans have to do better in attracting women. Certainly didn't happen in Virginia. What do you advice candidates to do?
[Priebus:] Well I mean first of all, you can cherry pick all kinds of numbers. I mean what happened in New Jersey? Chris Christie won the women vote. He won the Hispanic vote. He got 20 percent of the African-American vote. And you know what? Christie is pro-life. Christie is pro traditional marriage. I mean so here you've got two people that are fairly conservative on these same issues and you have two different outcomes. And so, you know, now going back to Virginia, Candy, actually Ken Cuccinelli won married women. He won women over 35.
[Crowley:] Right.
[Priebus:] Can I just one thing that is fundamental to this discussion that no one is talking about is what the president promised the American people. And what he promised them wasn't misspeaking. What he promised them exactly was this he said, and I quote, "any insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep." I could keep my ACME insurance, just a high deductible, catastrophic plan. He went into the specifics of the grandfather clause in the legislation and said, if you want to keep your catastrophic plan, he didn't equivocate like Debbie did in saying that, well, it's a better plan and it might be he said if you want to keep your catastrophic plan, you could. And this issue is going to be toxic for the Democrats and, believe me, we will tattoo it to their foreheads in 2014. We will run on it and they will lose because of it.
[Crowley:] Chairman Priebus, always so many more questions than I have time. Please come back and join us again.
[Priebus:] Sorry.
[Crowley:] That's all right. When we return, signs that the Republican moderates are starting to flex their muscles. Our all star panel is next.

[Holmes:] Welcome back. In the United Kingdom, police are holding out new hope for leads in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, you probably remember her, the little 3-year-old British girl who went missing in May 2007 while vacationing with her parents in Portugal. She would be 10 years old now. Police releasing two computer generated sketches of a man spotted near the resort where the little girl was last seen. Eric McLaughlin is in London. Erin, what do we know about this man? Who spotted him and what his connection or nonconnection could be?
[Eric Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Michael. This a man seen by two witnesses around the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. He was seen walking away from the McCanns' apartment carrying a small child of 3 to 4 years old. Witnesses describe him as a white male between 20 to 40 years old, medium stature with short brown hair. Now police acknowledge that this could have been a completely innocent sighting but they really want to know more information about this individual. Michael?
[Holmes:] You know, I remember initially Madeleine's parents were considered possible or potential suspects. They're now totally cleared, aren't they?
[Mclaughlin:] Absolutely. Police are saying the parents are not a focus of this investigation. They believe that Madeleine McCann was abducted from her holiday apartment during the night. She was abducted they say while her parents were at a nearby restaurant having dinner with friends. And they have ruled out a theory that she could have somehow wandered out of the apartment and been kidnapped outside of this holiday complex. They believe that the kidnapping had happened inside the McCanns' apartment, Michael.
[Holmes:] Certainly an incredibly one of those cases that's captured the public imagination. So many kids go missing every year. This one has sort of really gripped people. Erin, keep an eye for us, Erin McLaughlin there in London. Thanks so much. Thanks to you for watching AROUND THE WORLD today. Appreciate your company. I'm Michael Holmes. Be back tomorrow. Meanwhile, "CNN NEWSROOM" with Wolf Blitzer starts right after this.

[Unidentified Female:] Sandra Bullock had a rude awakening according to the Los Angeles Police Department. An intruder broke into her home. It`s a shame that anybody would be subject to this kind of intrusion.
[Unidentified Male:] Police say they received a hot prowler call which means a resident inside saw someone on the property attempting to break in. Police say the suspect, 39-year-old Joshua Corbett of Glendale, actually gained entry into Bullock`s home. I will forever be thinking of you and Louie, my son, as you are my wife by law, the law of God. And you belong to me and me to you. I forgive you for anything you may have done and only want the chance to love you as you have made me feel loved. Lover Lover, I will be waiting by those gates and when you decide to open them to me, I will run to you and forever and always as love and love always. You are so hot and intelligent. Always and love forever, your husband, Joshua James Corbett.
[Dana Ward, Host, Clevver Tv:] Oh gosh, this is creepy beyond creep. I mean, we should start calling him Creeper McCreeperson. I`ve been researching this all morning. And let me just say, you just reviewing this right now, I`m still creeped out.
[Unidentified Female:] Oh god, yes.
[Ward:] So I just want to make sure everyone knows exactly what happened. So she woke up, 1:00 a.m., she goes out, she hears a loud banging in her house. Goes outside and she comes face to face with this alleged stalker. I mean, can you believe it? Put yourself in her shoes. You don`t want to be there. Locks herself in her room, calls 911. And when the police finally arrive, this guy says, "Please, Sandy, please, please don`t press charges." And he actually calls her Sandy, which is the name that most of her friends and family call her. So he really just thinks he was on the inside with her. VELEZ-MITCHELL Yes, and I`m going to read some more of this crazy letter and then we`re going to get everybody to jump in. It`s so creepy. I mean, really, it gives me goosebumps. Here`s more from what cops say is Corbett`s terrifying letter to Sandy.
[Unidentified Male:] Sandy, you could have had me today; however, you choose other people over me. I`ll be around, as you know. I love you. You are very special to me, and without you in my life there`s only misery. I`ve waited and waited and you never come. Perhaps this is all supposed to happen some other way. Perhaps Hawaii or a run on the street, who knows.
[Crenshaw:] Yes. Yes, really. I mean, there could be there`s loose associations and the break with reality to be sure. However, there are categories, Jane. He sounds really like the incompetent stalker. And I know this seems crazy, but we do have these categories. The intimacy stalker, which is really what he is, where he feels like he loves her and he actually believes it`s reciprocated. Shania Twain had this in 2009. The incompetent stalker is actually hoping for a close relationship, if they only do the right thing, if they say the right thing, it will happen. Britney Spears had it I think in 2004. But this last bit what was you just read sounds like the revengeful stalker. And that`s dangerous. VELEZ-MITCHELL Well, this is scary stalker because of one word, guns. OK, you`re talking about the most talented actress in Hollywood, in my opinion. I mean, I just love this woman. I`ve seen all her movies. I`m a huge fan. Especially "Miss Confidentiality [sic] ", that`s one of my favorite movies. But she got an award, an Academy Award, for her leading role in "The Blind Side." Check this out then we`ll talk about the weapons.
[Sandra Bullock, Actress:] Do you have any place to stay tonight? Don`t you dare lie to me.
[Unidentified Male:] This is mine?
[Bullock:] Yes, sir.
[Unidentified Male:] Never had one before.
[Bullock:] What, a room to yourself?
[Unidentified Male:] A bed.
[Bullock:] Michael was here?
[Unidentified Male:] Tell him to sleep with one eye open.
[Bullock:] You threaten my son, you threaten me.
[Coombs:] Well, Jane, it`s clear, they have to put him away for as long as they can just to keep her safe. Look, I prosecuted a guy who was stalking Meg Ryan. It was same thing; he thought he was married to her, he was in love with her. And at some point, that was going to turn to anger and revenge when he`s looking at her and realizing she`s not spending time with me. Then you add in the guns and all I have to say is two words: Rebecca Schaefer. Do you remember that tragedy? VELEZ-MITCHELL Yes, of course, it was a tragedy. I mean, listen, you can`t, Mike Brooks, even if you have an estate, even if you have security guards, if you`re living in a house with yard and with windows, there`s a million ways to get at that house. How do any of these celebrities stay safe? It`s terrifying.
[Crenshaw:] It`s predatory.
[Ward:] No, but here`s the thing, this happens all the time, every day.
[Brooks:] Look, the
[Lapd -- Ward:] It happens every day. VELEZ-MITCHELL To have people to get past the security guards, it`s so scary.
[Crenshaw:] That`s really the concern, that`s really the concern because he`s moving to a predator sort of stalker and the resentful stalker like the attorney was saying. So, as a result of that, he can actually inflict harm. Because he`s upset because it`s not being reciprocated, so he`s now upset and sexually believe it sexually and then physically he will assault Sandra Bullock, and this could be extremely VELEZ-MITCHELL Well, let`s hope not. The repercussions are horrible. VELEZ-MITCHELL Listen, I want to give Dana the last word because you came in just for this story. What is the last word that you have to say on Sandra Bullock? I mean, she`s such a friendly star too. She never gets into trouble. Oh, yes, she had that guy once, you know who I`m talking about. Jesse James I think was his name. I think that was her ex, right?
[Ward:] There was actually an alleged VELEZ-MITCHELL She`s such a nice person. Oh, she is a sweetheart. And there was actually an alleged stalk history tried to run over her ex-husband back in the day. Maybe that person was on her side? I don`t know. But I think something we really need to point out is that this happens every day to ordinary people and at least Sandra has the resources to get the protection that she needs. VELEZ-MITCHELL Well, yes, but it`s no fun living behind barbed wire. Kind of takes the fun out of being a superstar. Up next we`re going to get Mike Brooks, HLN law enforcement analyst, to give us the latest on this chilling mystery. Police find the body of a beautiful young woman bound and stuffed into a duffel bag. What on earth happened to this poor woman? We`re going to solve the mystery next, we hope

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I want to go back to this video, this remarkable video that we got in our breaking news, our World Lead, which is let's look at this. This is from the siege at a kosher supermarket earlier today. French police going after the alleged terrorist, Amedi Coulibaly, who had already told French police there he is being killed. We stopped the frame before actually the bullets hit. He'd told French media that he'd already killed four hostages and that he had targeted this kosher market specifically because he wanted to go after Jews. There he is right there, Amedi Coulibaly. He's now dead. But his female companion, Hayat Boumeddiene, is still wanted. Let's go to the breaking news that we got from our friend, Jeremy Scahill of "The Intercept," which is an online publication. Jeremy citing an al Qaeda source said that AQAP, al Qaeda in Yemen, the Arabian Peninsula, is now claiming responsibility for the deadly terrorist attack on the satirical magazine "Charlie Hebdo." As of now, CNN has not been able to independently confirm this information. Let's go to our guest now, CNN terror analyst, Paul Cruickshank, and Daveed Gartenstein-Ross. Thank you so much for being with us, Gentlemen. It appears AQAP is claiming responsibility. That seems very significant, Paul.
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terror Analyst:] It is very significant. CNN hasn't authenticated this yet. The U.S. government U.S. intelligence community hasn't authenticated this yet. So I think we have to be a little bit cautious still. But it does appear that an operative with al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is claiming responsibility for this. This is after we learned that one of the brothers trained with the group in Yemen in 2011. And from what we know about al Qaeda in Yemen, you wouldn't be allowed to train with a group unless you took an oath of loyalty to the leader and you actually formally join the terrorist organization. So think that sometime today there's been some thought that they had some ownership over this. They're now saying they directed this plot.
[Tapper:] Right. Of course, it squares with, as you said, the intelligence community in the United States and in Europe saying that one of the brothers, one of the now dead terrorists, Said Kouachi, who is 34 years old, had traveled to Yemen. Also one of the Kouachi brothers earlier today telling a French TV station that Anwar Al Awlaki, the American-born cleric who was with al Qaeda, had been one of the people who financed this operation. How credible do you find that? It's 2015 and Al Awlaki was killed in 2011 by an American drone. How credible do you find it that it would be four years later Awlaki would have a hand in this ugly incident?
[Daveed Gartenstein-ross, Senior Fellow, Foundation For Defense Of Democracies:] It's hard to assess the claim of responsibility and hard to assess that particular claim right now. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is unique amongst al Qaeda's branches and that it's both very close to the core. Waishi is a high level leader there. He's also the general manager of the al Qaeda organization, which places him at the very top hierarchy. They've increasingly been responsible for al Qaeda's external operations. Certainly if they were to if Awlaki personally funded and directed this particular plot, that would have involved a great deal of planning in advance and foresight. It's possible he intended it to occur much sooner and they delayed the operation. But right now, it's really very difficult to assess the credibility of that claim.
[Tapper:] Paul, some of the other claims that officials are trying to assess the credibility of and media as well have to do with a claim made by Amedi Coulibaly, the Algerian terrorist who laid siege at this kosher supermarket earlier today, saying that he did have a relationship with the Kouachi brothers, the two terrorists who killed 12 people at "Charlie Hebdo." He claimed that U.S. intelligence officials or European intelligence officials been able to make a specific connection between Amedi Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers?
[Cruickshank:] I think that's quite well-established at this point that there was a connection, that they were friends, that they were all involved in an attempted prison break plot for an Algerian terrorist who's in French jail in 2010. So I think that's now quite well-established that there was a relationship between these people. They're claiming these were synchronized attacks that they were working together in this plot. I think we're going to find out a lot more in the hours to come.
[Tapper:] And, Daveed, I do want to ask you how you think this entire episode will impact propaganda and recruitment, obviously that's been a big fear, in Europe, in the United States, the ability of these groups, ISIS, AQAP, to radicalize and recruit normally what would be normally one hopes peaceful citizens?
[Gartenstein-ross:] I think it will have a significant impact. It will have an impact in a few ways. One is it will have an impact because it's another incident in the context of a chain of attacks which shows what the power of an attack can be, how it can captivate a nation. This was an urban warfare-style attack, which would spread over a number of days. Secondly, targeting of media specifically, people who are deemed as offensive to the Islamic faith. I think we will unfortunately see that replicated. And a third way, there's a competition between al Qaeda and the Islamic State for control over the global jihadi movement. And this is going to factor in heavily between a propaganda war between the two.
[Tapper:] All right, Daveed Gartenstein-Ross and Paul Cruickshank, thank you so much for being here. This intense day isn't over for authorities in France even after three other terrorists were killed today. Let's go live right now to Frederik Pleitgen who is live north of Paris. Frederik, what do we know about the search for the suspected female accomplice, Hayat Boumeddiene?
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, well, it's very interesting, Jake, that no one had ever heard of this woman beforehand, even while these events were going on around "Charlie Hebdo." And now all of a sudden she is the prime suspect in all of France. Now what we know right now is police are searching for her, apparently searching in Paris to see if they can find her there. It's been reported that apparently she was part of that siege in that kosher supermarket and that some believe that she might have gotten out when the hostages were escaping from that place. Now what we're hearing is that's not really clear. She might have never been there. But authorities are implicating her in the death of a policewoman on Thursday. Remember that Amedi Coulibaly went up to a police checkpoint in Paris a day before and shot a policewoman who was killed. And she was, Hayat Boumeddiene, was implicated in that as well. The interesting thing is even before the siege happened today on the kosher supermarket. The police in Paris was putting out wanted signs of both him and her. Obviously she is his girlfriend and apparently they've been together for a couple of years. Some people even claim that she is his wife and that she obviously went through this whole radicalization process with him as well. There are pictures that showed up in a French magazine today that show him and her apparently shooting something like crossbows somewhere in the French countryside. So this radicalization process is something apparently these two went through together. Now, of course, after all these other suspects have been killed, the police is putting extra effort into trying to find her because right now, she is the only link, the only person who is still alive from this greater plot, who could shed some sort of light as to what these people were trying to achieve, who the people behind this are and how this all came to be and what exactly they wanted to do with all this.
[Tapper:] Right. The only person we know of that knows all the details are who's still alive.
[Pleitgen:] Yes, exactly, of course.
[Tapper:] I do want to ask you, you're at the site where the Kouachi brothers were killed earlier today. Tell us what you're learning about how that raid went down.
[Pleitgen:] Yes, it was really bizarre in many ways. Very strange twists went on as all of this unfolded. The actual raid that happened, I have to say, compared to what went down in Central Paris, what went down here was very clean. I would say that the actual shootout lasted less than a minute. We're about 400 yards away from that printing shop where all this happened. We heard gunshots, a damp detonation, a single gunshot and then more detonations and then it was all over. I would say it took less than a minute. We are reconstructing that apparently the two terrorists came out, opened fire on the police. The police shot back, single shots, very accurate. And shot off those stun grenades as well. All this went down very quickly. However, importantly this morning after the terrorists went into the printing shop, there was an employee who came in, actually greeted them and shook their hands thinking that they were police officers. They then told that person to get out because they, quote, "wouldn't kill civilians," which is something that was proven untrue. But he was absolutely befuddled by the fact that he had just shaken the hands of these two terrorists. Then we know that one French television station actually called the offices there and talked to one of the two, talked to Cherif Kouachi, who told them that he was send by Anwar Al Awlaki. We have been talking about that exchange here on CNN a lot. And then one of the other really interesting things that happened is there was another person inside the print shop. We were reporting the entire day that these two terrorists had taken a hostage apparently the entire time this person was hiding inside the building. The two men didn't even know that there was someone else was there. They didn't have a hostage. They were just holed up there. The police didn't know that either. In the end, the raid went down certainly in the best possible way, at least from the vantage point of the French police.
[Tapper:] Fred Pleitgen, thank you so much. As we've been telling you the Paris prosecutors expected to speak at any minute. We'll bring it to you live. But first back here in the United States, a new bulletin issued in the United States hours ago to law enforcement across the country noting the sophistication of the terror attacks in Paris and warning police to be individual Atlanta. We're getting new details on that bulletin. And that's next.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. In other national news, two years after Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech during the March on Washington, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act, forcing areas of the country with a history of racial discrimination to get approval or pre- clearance from the Justice Department or a federal court before making any changes to voting laws. But this morning, almost half a century after it was first passed, the Supreme Court struck down a key portion of the law. Chief Justice Roberts' position is that the world does not look the same as it did in 1965. According to Roberts, "Our country has changed. And while any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions." Congress had overwhelmingly extended the Voting Rights Act as recently as 2006, for another 25 years. In a statement today, President Obama said he is deeply disappointed with the ruling, saying, quote, "Voting discrimination still exists and while today's decision is a setback, it does not represent the end of our efforts to end voting discrimination. And I'm calling on Congress to pass legislation to ensure every American has equal access to the polls." But as Justice Roberts points out in his opinion, black voter turnout was higher than whites in last year's election, including in five out of the six states originally included in the Voting Rights Act. Joining me now is the Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. He's founder and president of the RainbowPUSH Coalition. He was obviously at the "I Have A Dream" speech. Reverend Jackson, thanks for joining us. Reverend, Chief Justice Roberts writes in the opinion that, "Yes, voter discrimination still exists, but this section of the law particularly singling out states that have been under this rule since the '60s and '70s is outdated. What is your response?
[Jesse Jackson, Founder And President, Rainbow/push Coalition:] Well, it's not true. The fact of the matter is that we have more voter participation because of voter oversight. When oversight leaves, then the increases actually stop. We got the right to vote in 1965. It took us until 1990 to deal with the impact of gerrymandering, annexation at-large, roll purging. And I might add, Jake, it was not just for blacks. When the blacks could not vote, but white women could not sit on juries. There were no white women on the Supreme Court. Eighteen year olds who were serving in Vietnam could not vote. Students could not vote on college campus. They had to vote absentee or go home to vote. You could not vote bilingual. This was a whole democratizing of democracy. It's a 48-year journey that was stabbed in the heart today.
[Tapper:] What do you say to those who say African-American vote, according to a Census study, was higher than the white vote last year? We have an African-American president. This is just a different world than in 1965 and these states and counties that were singled out for special scrutiny don't deserve the same scrutiny?
[Jackson:] You know, in 1865, we had the right to vote, but the compromise of 1877, you removed the federal troops, you removed protection, by 1896, we were set back for another 58 years. So without federal oversight, it's like removing the troops in 18 1877. These state legislatures like Alabama, like Louisiana, they tried last year to use redistricting and they tried to use voter suppression tactics and schemes to limit the voting and make voting more difficult. They now have full reign, for states rights has now replaced federal protection. That's very dangerous setback.
[Tapper:] Your organization, the RainbowPUSH Coalition, says it will not stand idly by after the decision. What does that mean? What do you and other civil rights organizations that you speak to, what do you plan to do?
[Jackson:] I think, first of all, the president has taken a very strong position today, because he knows that without the put protected right, would he would not have been president in the first place. He must use his power to convene the Congress and make a case to the nation, as Lyndon Johnson made a case to the nation, President Obama make a case to the nation of why we must stop any scheme that suppresses or limits voting access or the right to vote to vote and to win. The second thing, we must go back to the streets in great numbers and demand and create a broad-based public consensus bottom up. The right to vote is too precious. We bled too much. We've died too young and the price has been too great to now watch it stabbed in the heart by the Supreme Court today.
[Tapper:] Before you go, Reverend, Nelson Mandela is in critical condition right now in South Africa, as you know. As somebody who knows him, as somebody who has fought for civil rights, what does Nelson Mandela mean to you?
[Jackson:] Well, I talked with his grandson just yesterday. He is in very grave condition. There are prayers for him around the world. But he was the symbol of the force that brought down racist apartheid South Africa, with the help of those here in America and around the world. Now, a lot of us here
[Tapper:] Reverend Jesse Jackson, thank you so much for your time. CNN will bring you live coverage of the Supreme Court decision tomorrow on same-sex marriage, that's tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. Eastern. Coming up on our political panel, so what's the fallout for the Supreme Court's decision? It could potentially all come down to Florida and those long voting lines we saw back in 2012. And coming up in our "Pop Lead," Kenny Chesney fans could be forgiven for thinking they had accidentally bought tickets to an ultimate fighting match after the country star's concert turned into an all-out brawl. Stay with us.

[Blackwell:] In Chile, authorities are warning thousands of people, who live near an erupting volcano, listen, don't go home yet because the volcano has been quiet for decades, but has erupted twice this week and there are fears it's going to rumble again. CNN international correspondent, Shasta Darlington, is near the scene there in Chile. Shasta, tell us more about where you are and what you're seeing.
[Shasta Darlington, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Victor, you can see right over my shoulder, the big concern here, that's Calbuco and it is still pumping out these huge plumes of ash and gas. This is not a violent eruption and not quieted down either. You can see it's unstable. We are inside the so-called exclusion zone, the area that has been evacuated around the volcano. More than 4,000 people have been taken out, but we are in here today. We came in yesterday along with a bunch of residents that are being allowed back in for the first time. And it was just fascinating being with them because on the one hand, they're terrified that there could be another eruption, but they were also seeing the damage from those first two for the very first time. They were shoveling the ash off the roofs. They were trying to get their animals out of here, their cows, their horses, even the salmon from the fisheries and the rivers. This is tough work. Let me tell you why. I want you to look over here. I am standing on a pile of ash and this isn't soft, fluffy stuff. This is more like gravel. So, when you've got 20 inches of this on your roof, you're really going to be worried that it could cave in any minute. So this is a lot of work that they're trying to do to save their property and, yet, they have to get out of here by nightfall because they're concerned another eruption could be on its way Victor.
[Blackwell:] I'm so glad you showed us that ash because what I envisioned was not something that thick and heavy and coarse. You say people have to get out of there by nightfall. How many people are trying to get back in? Is there this rush of people to try to determine what is left after this activity?
[Darlington:] That's exactly right. You know, in the first, the first 24 hours they evacuated 4,400 people from this area and then yesterday they started evacuating another 2,000. But everyone tries to get back in when they're allowed. Even if just for a few hours so that they can get that gravely ash off their roofs before it caves in. They had to leave all these animals behind. This is a rural area. These people depend on their cows and their sheep so they're coming back in to try to salvage what they can. Again, one of the more interesting things we've seen are these huge trucks with tanks of water. They're going to the salmon fisheries and loading up the salmon and trying to get them out of here. The ash is blanketing the rivers around here. And, again, another big blow like the ones we've seen and this is so destructive for the region. We might not see them returning, recovering any time soon. So, this is a real, there's a real sense of urgency here. And, again, just really people really worried with this smoking going on right behind me, no signs of letting up Victor.
[Blackwell:] All right, Shasta Darlington reporting for us there from Chile. Shasta, thank you.
[Paul:] Well, she is the lone Democratic candidate for the time being. So, of course, the spotlight is bright on Hillary Clinton, but there are questions this morning about her family foundation. Did it accept cash for favors while she was secretary of state? Our political panel has a lot to say about this.

[Romans:] Now that the fuselage of AirAsia Flight 8501 has been found, divers working in the Java Sea has faced an especially grim duty now. They have started to search for the bodies of those who perished in last month's crash. Officials say that if the divers encounter trouble, crews may lift the fuselage out of the water. I want to get right to CNN's David Molko live in Jakarta David.
[David Molko, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine, an extremely sensitive operation, perhaps the most tricky of the entire past 19 days. It will have to be done carefully, it will have to be done with dignity. Lots of questions here, what will divers find when they go inside that fuselage? Will they be able to get inside and, certainly, can they bring those remains, the bodies of more than 100 people, believed to be inside, up to the surface? If not, it's about a larger operation. Trying to lift the entire plane, about 100 feet long, to the surface. We saw this with the tail section. It was a smaller section. It took a team of three days using giant air bags. The question, Christine, right now is just from families how long will it take?
[Romans:] How long will it take? And, David, how have the families been reacting to the news of the fuselage has been found? I mean, these underway images, you look at them, that is a graveyard. That is where their families are resting right now. That must be really emotional.
[Molko:] Christine, beyond the shock, a lot of mixed emotion.
[Romans:] All right. Miracle might be getting all of that fuselage up and finding out what happened to that plane. David Molko, thank you so much for that, David. Pope Francis' plane just landed in the Philippines, just now. And he faces a rapturous welcome there. A national holiday has been declared. Most businesses and government offices are closed. His smiling face is everywhere. Some 40,000 security personnel deployed to keep the pontiff safe during his time there. And, you can see, they are preparing. Right now, he is on that plane. He just landed. You can see the dignitaries and military preparing to receive him in a country that is welcoming him. He just left Sri Lanka. All right. New trouble this morning for Bill Cosby. Police now investigating a new rape claim against the comedian. Details after the break.

[Becky Anderson:] We are following a tragic story out of the United States. Today, a mass stabbing at a school in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania. Now this happened early local time on Wednesday. We are also, of course, other big stories around the world including the search for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 and the unrest in Ukraine. More on those shortly. First, we want to cross over to our sister network CNN USA for the very latest on that school attack.
[Anderson:] We're breaking away from our CNN U.S. domestic coverage now. You're watching Connect the World live from Abu Dhabi with me Becky Anderson, welcome back. Now, search teams in the Indian Ocean are more optimistic than ever that they are close to finding Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. This is one of our top stories. We will get back to that story out of the States, of course this hour. Another set of signals was picked up during Tuesday's search here. As you can see from this map, they were located about 27 kilometers from the ones heard over the weekend. Now search officials do seem confident that the sounds are coming from the black boxes. All they are waiting for now is to find visual evidence of the plane. How likely is that? Well, Will Ripley is live in Perth with the very latest. And, Will, it is I guess at this point what sounds like a very simple question, but I'm sure a lot more complicated for those in the operation, search and rescue search operation here. Just, you know, how likely is it they're going to find evidence of this plane any time soon?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, you know, that's the big question. Because, you know, we keep in mind, you know, we have this promising lead where the Ocean Shield is right now, but every day we're now up to, you know, more than a dozen planes consistently taking off, flying out over the search area scanning for any possible sign of physical evidence of flight 370. This debris field that many experts believe must exist somewhere and yet we just haven't found it. So we have absolutely no physical, tangible evidence of this plane. But what we do have now are four pings that the experts say likely came from flight data recorders, two pings detected on Tuesday, as you mention, two others detected on Saturday. So with the lack of physical evidence, the language that we're hearing now from the search chief is the strongest so far. In fact, at the press conference today I asked him if he thought when he joined this search if he thought that he would be announcing that these potential pings have been located. Here's his answer.
[Angus Houston, Chief Coordinator, Joint Agency Coordination Centre:] What we're picking up is a great lead, OK. We've got to visually acquire before we can say this is the final resting place. So there's still a way to go. But if you had asked me, let's say when I arrived last Sunday night, I would have been probably more pessimistic than I am now. I'm now optimistic that we will find the aircraft or what is left of the aircraft in the not too distant future.
[Ripley:] The bottom line here, Becky, crews are confident, but they're also cautious. They don't want to say anything that could create more pain for the families of the 239 people on flight 370. But one thing that Angus Houston did say that I thought was so telling is he talked about the preparations that are underway right now here in Perth to accommodate any of the family members who may choose to fly here. He said when they come to visit, we will be ready. He used when, not if, Becky.
[Anderson:] Fascinating. 23:13 local time with you getting towards midnight there, 13 minutes past 7:00 here in Abu Dhabi. Will, thank you for that. A dramatic third day of testimony in the murder trial of Oscar Pistorius. Just hours ago, the prosecution took its turn grilling the Olympic athlete known as the "Blade Runner" and demanding Pistorius acknowledge that he killed Reeva Steenkamp. Watch this exchange between prosecutor Gerrie Nel and Pistorius who is off camera, of course.
[Oscar Pistorius, Paralympian:] I made a mistake, my lady.
[Gerrie Nel, Prosecutor:] You're repeating it three times. What was your mistake?
[Pistorius:] My mistake was that I took Reeva's life, my lady.
[Nel:] You killed her. You shot and killed her. Won't you take responsibility for that?
[Pistorius:] Yes, I do, my lady.
[Anderson:] A court room also saw Pistorius break down once again as he was shown gruesome photos of Steenkamp. Her dead, bloodied and smashed her head sorry bloodied and smashed by gunfire.
[Nel:] ...famous. I know you don't want to, because you don't want to take responsibility. But it's time that you look at it. Take responsibility for what you done, Mr. Pistorius.
[Pistorius:] My lady, I've taken responsibility by me waiting not wanting to live my life, but waiting for my time on this stand to tell my story for the respect of Reeva and for myself. I've taken responsibility, but I will not look at a picture where I'm tormented by what I saw and felt that night. As I picked Reeva up, my fingers touched her head. I remember. I don't have to look at a picture. I was there.
[Anderson:] What you're looking at is pictures of Reeva Steenkamp's head there and the family. For more, let's bring in CNN legal analyst Kelly Phelps. She joins us from outside the court in Pretoria. I mean, just showing our viewers some of what is going on in court, it's pretty disturbing stuff. One can only imagine what people in court are feeling. Where do you think this case is at this point?
[Kelly Phelps, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, today was a day of two different stories essentially for the prosecution. Pistorius had a strong start to the day, finishing his testimony in chief. And he and his team managed quite successfully to undermine some of the core parts of the state's case, particularly the viability of their claim that it was Reeva Steenkamp who had been heard screaming. They put on record the evidence of neighbors who were much closer to Pistorius's house than the neighbors who testified from the state, none of whom say they heard a woman screaming, one of whom heard a man crying and also about whether or not he was on his prosthetics. But then we started with cross-examination. And we had always expected Gerrie Nel to come out incredibly. But I have to say I think it was somewhat of a misstep to show those photographs. He got the judges back up against the wall. It was really undermining the dignity of the victim herself and certainly her immediate family members who were sitting in court. And he could have pursued that aggressive strategy without broadcasting those photographs for the world to see.
[Anderson:] All right. We're going to leave it there. We thank you very much for that. That's the legal analysis of what is an ongoing case reaching, though, as you can see it's conclusion. Later in the hour, we're going to get a psychological view of the testimony of Oscar Pistorius. Keep up to date with the coverage on CNN on the website, of course, CNN.com. We're live blogging events in Pretoria as the case is ongoing. It's clearly finished for the day at this stage. And we got news reaction from the courtroom for you online. I want to update on our developing story out of the United States this hour. At least 20 people are injured when a teenager went on a stabbing rampage at a high school in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania. 11 seriously injured victims taken to four hospitals in the area. This was earlier on Wednesday U.S. time. Some are undergoing surgery, we understand at this point. Authorities say a male teenager, he's a suspect, is in custody. The motive for the attack is unclear. We'll keep you up to date on that story as more comes into CNN Center. Still to come here on the show, the EU and U.S. may have hit Russia with sanctions because of the crisis in Ukraine, but coming up in about 10 minutes time, we're going to get a look at one country that has not been so quick to take such a hard line with Moscow. That coming up. And for you this evening, Ukraine remains a country on the edge, but we'll find out why the interim government in Kiev is predicting an imminent end to unrest in the east.

[Michael Smerconish, Cnn:] Good evening. I'm Michael Smerconish. We begin tonight with these words, billionaires behaving badly. Sounds like a newspaper headline about cavalier Wall Street cowboys during the height of the financial crisis a few years back. But I'm not talking about them. Topping tonight's list is Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling allegedly caught on audio tape making racist comments, disparaging remarks about blacks chastising his young mistress for posting an Instragram photo of himself, herself, and basketball legend Magic Johnson and saying a lot of other things. The reaction has been searing, even President Obama has weighed in. But I'm not taking only about Don Sterling. There's news that Russian President Vladimir Putin may be rich, really rich as in super rich. On the front page of Sunday's New York Times, a report about the rumors, speculations, theories, maybe even some guesses that Putin may control assets worth $40 to $70 billion, assets so extensive that if true, he would the richest world leader in history. Why should people care? Well, two reasons actually, many Russians believe their country is controlled by a political and financial elite that critics accuse of stealing the country's wealth for itself, the so called oligarchs, who move money out of the country and buy apartment in cities like New York for tens of millions of dollars. Sitting atop that elite, Vladimir Putin. But ordinary Russians need to know that the credit rating of their country's sluggish economy has been cut to just about junk status by standard and poors. So, I want to ask White House Deputy National Security Advisor Tony Blinken if these new sanctions announced today are designed to squeeze Putin's inner circle and expose his secret billions. How much does the U.S. really know about Putin's rumored wealth? And are these latest sanctions which would result of a continued threats to Ukraine's sovereignty really designed to hit him and his cronies in their own wallets? As for that other billionaire behaving badly, Donald Sterling sure sounds like a jerk. I think we can all put that one to bed. But does his being a jerk mean that he should be kicked out of the NBA and force to sell the Clippers, a team that he's owned for more than three decades, for things that he may have said that he thought were private? That is, do we have a right to be stupid, and ignorant, and racist in our own private life without repercussions? I have a great lineup of guests. As we look at the story from numerous angles including talk show host Larry King, who's not only a basketball fan but knows Donald Sterling very well. So let's get started. Let's get right to the comments allegedly made by Clippers owner Donald Sterling and what the NBA needs to do about this toxic situation for professional basketball. I'm joined by Tavis Smiley, PBS broadcaster and best selling author. And I want to start by playing some of the offending audio obtained by TMZ sports for those viewers who have yet to hear it.
[Donald Sterling, Owner, Los Angeles Clippers:] Yes. It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people. Do you have to?
[V. Stiviano, Donald Sterling's Girlfriend:] You associate with black people.
[Sterling:] I'm not you, and you're not me. You're supposed to be a delicate white or a delicate Latina girl.
[Stiviano:] I'm a mixed girl.
[Smerconish:] Tavis thanks for being here. Is there any outcome, any acceptable outcome to this situation shy of him getting out of the NBA and relinquishing, selling control of the Clippers?
[Tavis Smiley, Pbs Broadcaster And Author:] Always Michael, I want to leave some space for grace because we're all cracked vessels, none of is human and divine, we're just human. And I believe and I think most black people believe there's always room for redemption. Having said that, you know, the old ad is that is not the crime but it's the cover up. In this instance, it's not the slur, it's the spin. I don't know how Donald Sterling can hear this tape and still not come out and say it was him and offer an apology, a sincere apology. How does his wife hear this tape and not know whether it's Donald Sterling. How do the Clipper organization listen to this tape and put out a press release suggesting that these are comments attributed to Donald Sterling. I don't get that. It's what some folks we've got to get to a place of having an admission, having a sincere apology, but I want to leave space again for people to be redeemed from their sins. I believe that if Donald Sterling wants to be made a better person, again, I don't believe in ever throwing any human being away but it has to start with an acknowledgment, an apology. And the fact that we are days into this and he has not even acknowledged this, much less apologize for is quite frankly unacceptable.
[Smerconish:] Beyond an apology and shy of relinquishing control of the Clippers would be a fine. And even though a sum like $5 million would be unprecedented in the world of the NBA. For him to have it would be chump change.
[Smiley:] It would in fact be chump change, and I believe that the only thing that a racial arsonist and a slumlord like Donald Sterling asking response to is being hit in his pocket, and that's why with all due respect to Doc Rivers and the Clippers, and I love these guys, I watch them, I'm rooting for them right now in the playoffs. I was a bit disappointed that the best they could do was to turn some jerseys inside out and put them at the half court.
[Smerconish:] Should they not have played?
[Smiley:] Well, I think I would not have been in pity if they didn't play. Look at what Muhammad Ali did, look at what Bill Russell did, look at what, you know, what Curt Flood did, we could run the list of people who made a sacrifice. And again, when you're talking about a guy like Donald Sterling, that the only thing he response to is being hit in his pocket. And so, were the NBA tomorrow to announce that they're forcing him into selling, I suspect there might be some lawsuit on his part that he can't be forced to do that, I don't know all of their leeway that the NBA has, but I can tell you that this is one person who would not be offended necessarily if they forced him to selling that team. This does not belong in our society and especially in a league. And there's as many African-American players as the NBA does and are supported by so many African-American consumers.
[Smerconish:] Tavis, stay right where you are and thank you for being here. I want to bring into the conversation Alice Hoffman, President of the California NAACP. And Alice, as you know, many people are scratching their heads wondering how is it that he was recognized for achievements in the past by the NAACP. And next month was set to be designated with yet another award.
[Alice Hoffman, President, California Naacp:] Well, let me set the record straight. First of all, it's the local branch, L.A. branch of the NAACP. It's not the entire family, not national, and not the state conference which I'm on and on the national board. We have 50 local branches or more here and 30 used units. And they have a lot of economy and they have relationships that we don't even know who was those relationships are and they make decisions, they all of our units that have these events give awards to various people that they have relationships with. In my opinion, they did it in once before, that should have been enough because it was controversial then, but it didn't have the magnitude of visibility that this event has that we're all responding to. I said, we think it's a just poor judgment that they should have known not to do it again, that's a second time around. We all live from contributions in grant corporate American. That's how we survive, but we have to be careful about the money we take and we have to make sure that the color of the money does not taint us. And that we could still carry out our mission, we cannot sell out just to get the money. We have to have integrity in what we do and I think this was just a very poor judgment on my local branches we have. And I'm glad to say, finally made a statement that they're resenting the award.
[Smerconish:] And Alice Hoffman, you've anticipated my next question but I'm going ask it anyway. And I respect the fact that it was not the state wide entity but rather the Los Angeles Chapter. Is it your understanding that he became a major benefactor after his brushes with the law? We're now all familiar with the fact that in 2009 he paid $2.73 million to settle a civil suit that was brought by the Justice Department for alleged discrimination.
[Hoffman:] I can't believe that he didn't do it for some other reason then to contribute to the betterment of society after I've listened to his tapes. There is not way he was doing it to help African-Americans out because he doesn't like African-Americans. And we are a 104-year f105-year organization that we focus primarily on eliminating racism and discrimination. So it has have been for some other reasons because he doesn't even want black people coming into the game. So, I think I can't get inside of his head and know what's really going on. My best friends might know him better than I do, I don't know him at all. Don't care to know him, now. And so, I can't prejudge but I can just simply say, it's a mistake, that's money we should not take.
[Smerconish:] And Tavis Smiley. Weigh in on this financial question because I know a lot of people and I think that Alice Hoffman has just set the records straight for all of us and I'm glad that she did that this was the Los Angeles Chapter, it was not the state wide entity, what do you think went on here?
[Smiley:] I think Alice is right. It's poor judgment. He should never been honored in the first place particularly given this history that Alice has laid already. But she has brought about the fact that these organizations survived under contributions not of just the members. And I'm proud to be a lifetime member of the NAACP. But they also survived on these contributions in corporate America. I quite frankly don't have a problem with that. There's so much money that corporate America makes off of the consumers spending of African- Americans that they ought to put money back in these organizations to help them do the kind of reparative work that needs to be done in our country around the most interactive issue that we know, the issue of racism, but Donald Sterling should never have been on the list to be added in the first place. He should not have taken all of this Michael.
[Smerconish:] Alice Hoffman, Tavis Smiley, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Donald Sterling is not a household name to most Americans at least not before this weekend. One person who does know him personally, is Larry King, talk show host, extraordinaire, and NBA fan. Larry, it's a little odd for me to interview you, but it's a privilege for me to have you here. Does this comport with your knowledge or understanding of the man. I know that you've been in his company on many occasions.
[Larry King, Talk Show:] First, Michael, you were always a great guest when I hosted in this time period for so many years. So it's good being on the other side.
[Smerconish:] Thank you.
[King:] I know Donald Sterling for many years, I moved to Los Angeles 17 years ago. I guess I've known him all that time. I've been at his Malibu home. I've socialized with him at the games. I've seen him at breakfast and nothing surprises me although this was really over the top. You know, I'm I think it's aberrant to tape someone against their knowledge and it's a crime in California. That woman could be charged with a crime because you can't tape someone without them knowing it. However, once this came out, it's aberrant, there's no excuse for it, it's unforgiving, I wouldn't take a phone call from him. Doc Rivers refused to talk to him today, his own coach. The league will make some decision tomorrow. I don't know the bylaws of the league, Michael. I don't know what they can do and can't do. I'm told that they can't find anyone for over a million dollars that will be, as you said, meaningless to Donald Sterling. It's just so sad and it comes in middle of the playoffs. I disagree with Tavis Smiley [inaudible] great deal. The Clippers should have played that game. You can't leave the NBA playoffs in the middle of with all these teams involved and having a great playoffs season. And all the fans of the Clippers, my kids has scheduled to go to the game tomorrow night, they may or may not go. They may wear black. They don't know what to do. It's horrendous situation, terrible for the team, I'm a big fan of the team. Others like Billy Crystal has been a fan of the Clippers. Ever since they moved to Los Angeles from San Diego, will Billy go to the game tomorrow night? It's all in the quandary, it so just sad, I'm really sickened by it.
[Smerconish:] Larry, I want to make clear both of us. You speak for both of us when you say that the man apparently said something despicable for which there is zero defense. However, I'm glad you've brought up the woman and we don't know if she's the one who roll the taped. But I found it odd. I printed out the entire transcript and at the end of at least that portion which was revealed, she says, "I'm sorry. Is there anything that I can do to make you feel you better?" And I listening to this and I'm saying, you know, she is of some kind of mixed race and after what purports to be an hour long conversation where he says one ugly thing after another. Would she be apologizing to him and asking may I do anything to make you feel better? Read those T leaves for me if you can.
[King:] Well, I guess is no one is very no one comes out good at this, she does not come out very good either. First, to the whole way she acted, obviously, she's setting him up. It would be stupid not to think that TMZ didn't pay for these tapes, that's what TMZ does. That's what these gossip mongers do. I don't have great respect for them either. But I think the sum in substance there have there's not a lot to be said for her. I don't understand the whole well, I assume it was in her house or in his house. That is Donald Sterling, I mean, the league will acknowledge that tomorrow. I know Donald Sterling, of course that's him. We have to keep saying alleged, but that's him. And but beyond that beyond her, beyond anything else. What he said overwhelms me. There's nothing I could imagine that could be I don't know where Donald Sterling I'll tell you Michael, where would Donald Sterling, could he go to dinner tonight? Can you go out? What's left of him that he has to sell the league has to take some action. Other leagues have taken action, the Dodgers, hey, the baseball Major League Baseball sent in someone to run the Dodgers, but the owner of the Dodgers was kept out, he was forced to sell, he did sell, he got over $2 billion, Frank McCourt didn't come up bad and anything McCourt did tales, tales in comparison to this story, tales.
[Smerconish:] Larry, a treat for me to have you here, you look well and thank you.
[King:] Thank you Michael. Thanks for the couple of minute. You continue and good luck.
[Smerconish:] Thank you sir. Is President Putin the richest world leader in history? That's what some reports are suggesting. And the newest sanctions maybe an effort to squeeze the associates keeping his money. We'll also go live to Mississippi where tornadoes are rocking that state just one day after twisters killed 16 in the Midwest. And more when we return on the fall out from the Clipper scandal, yes, Donald Sterling sounds like an ass, but if he sounded like jerk because he was being illegally recorded, who's in more trouble? Him or the person who taped him?
[Magic Johnson, Nba Legend:] We are all upset. We have to [inaudible] because if you're going to be like this, why you own a team in NBA which quite is over 70 percent African-American basketball players? So I think he should step down.
[Lebron James, Nba Player:] For comments like that, it taints our game and we can't have that. We can't have it from a player, we can't have it from the owner, we can't have it from a fan, and so on and so on.

[Cuomo:] So, just after 8:30 there in the east. Getting ready. If you haven't left yet, you want to know what's going on outside. There's a lot of wind. There's a lot of weather out there. Indra Petersons is following it for us. Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, I mean a big, major storm we saw move across the Ohio Valley yesterday and today we're still talking about severe thunderstorm watches. So if you're in Philadelphia this morning, you're really seeing those winds kicking up. We still have the potential there for winds as high as 70 miles per hour. And they're not the only ones. Still strong winds, just not as strong as in Philly, are really going to be all the way even through the Northeast, New England again, all the way down even stretching to the Carolinas. So gusts today as high as about 50 miles per hour. And really a lot of you are already seeing these strong winds. So much so that we are talking about air travel delays. LaGuardia, right now, seeing delays over three hours. Philly almost about two-hour delays. Again, that's thanks to those really strong winds that are kind of blowing out there. Taking a look at some of the winds we are currently seeing. Notice, Buffalo, gusting right now to about 53 miles per hour. Philly gusting to about 35. New York City currently gusting to about 33. Boston, same thing, very strong winds, about 35 miles per hour. Very easy to see though as you look across the country what's going on. You see that one system, all this moisture kind of making its way to the Northeast, that a system trying to go offshore. That's also the reason it feels so warm today. You're getting all that warm air really kind of filling in. This is going to change. All of this cool and dry air behind it will start to fill in. Let's take a look at the cold front as we go through the weekend. There are three of them, one, two, three, going right into the Northeast. That is going to bring very cold, arctic air into place. So by the end of the weekend, even though you're talking about beautiful 70s today in New York City, looking for 71, Boston 72, look at the drop. By Sunday, your highs are just going to be in the upper 40s. That means your overnight lows are going to be 20s and 30s. So big change for the weekend.
[Bolduan:] Big change. Break out the big coat.
[Petersons:] Yes, every time I fly, just so you know, don't fly because three-hour delays again, I'm flying today. Just a little mental note.
[Bolduan:] Good mental note. You need to give us an alert next time
[Petersons:] Absolutely.
[Bolduan:] So we can adjust our travel plans.
[Petersons:] Yes, bad luck.
[Cuomo:] Up side, maybe you get to use the cell phone and the iPad.
[Petersons:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] A silver lining. Nice for a Friday. Thanks, Indra.
[Petersons:] Sure.
[Bolduan:] All right, we want to give you an update now on that wild trial out of Utah. The cause of death is now an issue in the murder trial of Martin MacNeill. Prosecutors say the former Utah doctor drugged, killed his wife to be with his mistress. They hope that the latest people to take the stand can help corroborate that. Here's CNN's Ted Rowlands.
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Today, Dr. Martin MacNeill could expect to see some old friends, four inmates he met in federal prison who are set to testify against him claiming he admitted to them that he killed his wife. Their identities are being kept secret for their protection. MacNeill's defense team says they're ready for them.
[Randall Spencer, Defense Attorney:] Every witness that we have in this case, we obviously are prepared for.
[Rowlands:] Thursday, the prosecution addressed its biggest hurdle, cause of death. While they believe the doctor killed his wife, 50- year-old Michele MacNeill, by drowning her in a bathtub after giving her a toxic combination of drugs, none of the three medical examiner reports ruled her death a homicide.
[Dr. Todd Cameron Grey, Chief Medical Examiner For The State Of Utah:] I did not feel that I could reach a conclusion of homicide.
[Rowlands:] Utah Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Todd Gray says Michele's cause of death was likely a combination of heart problems and drugs, but thinks that the drug levels found in Michele MacNeill's body were too low to suggest an intentional overdose. But he did testify that it's technically possible that the prosecution's theory is correct.
[Unidentified Male:] If you were to learn that the defendant here had told somebody or others that he had drugged up Michele MacNeill, would that scenario be consistent with how Michele MacNeill may have died here?
[Grey:] Yes, it certainly is possible.
[Rowlands:] In addition Thursday, Martin MacNeill's daughter, Alexis, continued her testimony. Also a physician, she was suspicious from the beginning and pushed investigators to pursue a case against her father.
[Alexis Somers, Martin Macneill's Daughter:] I believe my father killed her.
[Rowlands:] During cross-examination, Defense Attorney Randall Spencer used inconsistencies in statements over the years to imply that she and her sisters were lying to implicate their father.
[Spencer:] You've made up the story that you told today since this interview, haven't you?
[Somers:] No, I have not.
[Rowlands:] Ted Rowlands, CNN, Provo, Utah.
[Cuomo:] Tough talk to have with the daughter of the defendant. Let's break it down now with Danny Cevallos, CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, and Sunny Hostin, CNN legal analyst, former federal prosecutor. Good to have you both. TGIF to you. Sunny, thanks for being here. I can only safely assume that Vinnie Politan is hiding from me because of his "my goodness" campaign, and now the prosecution puts on their witnesses, their M.E. witnesses, and they're saying it's possible this could have happened, I don't really see it myself but maybe sounds like defense testimony going on. How did you see it?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] I saw it the same exact way, Chris. I mean usually when the medical examiner testifies for the government, that's your day, that's the big day for the government. You usually bookend that testimony, meaning you want to end on the medical examiner. I don't think I've seen a case where I've had three not one, not two, but three medical exercises all say that it was either natural causes or perhaps heart disease plus toxicity, or even perhaps drowning, and none of them can say definitively this is a homicide in terms of the cause of death. It was a terrible day for the prosecution, and I think at this point what they really do need in a case like this, in a circumstantial case is, they need a confession, but not a confession necessarily to an inmate, to a jailhouse snitch.
[Cuomo:] All right.
[Hostin:] And so I look at this case, Vinnie, and I think possibly game over already.
[Cuomo:] One, you just called me Vinnie. Two
[Hostin:] Oh, did I say that?
[Cuomo:] Danny, you have a very nice pocket square on today, but I don't know why you're so confident because, one, you just yelled at the guy's daughter on the stand. Everybody's sympathetic to her. You're calling her a liar. And there are people you told that your client told that he did this. And even though they're coming from a jail, people want to believe that he did it, maybe sitting on that jury. How do you deal with that?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] That's the key. The people that he allegedly told are not his priest. They are not his psychiatrist. They are jailhouse snitches. And study after study shows that jailhouse snitches are not only incredibly unreliable, but they result in a lot of false convictions. Think about it. These same people at a trial, their own trial, maybe a year before, the prosecution was talking about what a horrible, lying person this jailhouse snitch was. That same prosecution put them in jail and now they're holding hands with them in another trial and talking about what a reliable witness they are. Jailhouse snitches simply are not reliable. So the fact that they are telling the story, we can evaluate the veracity, the validity of the story based on who is telling it. And in this case, the jailhouse snitches will not be able to overcome that bit of sound that we just heard from the M.E., which is, it's certainly possible that that's how she died. Expect to hear that again in closing.
[Cuomo:] No, but link it. But you have to link it. You have to link it. The possibly goes to if you heard somebody say it. So now they bring the person on. Danny Cevallos and any good defense attorney, Sunny is going to beat your witness over the head with a stick saying, you're in jail, you're bad, you're a liar. But here's the key maybe for the prosecution, so is the defendant. That, you know, you may not have you may have an equivalency of character. Ordinarily you can say the defendant is so much a better person than this person you're bringing in from jail to talk about them, but maybe that doesn't work here. Thoughts?
[Hostin:] Yes. You know, I've used jailhouse snitches before. I've used cooperators. I've used informants in court. And some of them actually I disagree with Danny, some of them are quite reliable. I think juries sometimes do believe them. My issue with this case, Chris, not Vinnie, is that, you know, you've got such a circumstantial case and you have these M.E.s that can't classify the death as a homicide. In a case like that, when you don't have any eyewitnesses to the alleged murder, you don't have anyone seeing him drug her, you don't have anyone seeing him drown her, you really do need a confession, but a confession perhaps to a police officer, to an undercover detective. A confession to a jailhouse snitch, given the context of the evidence, I'm just not sure that it gets the prosecution where the prosecution needs to be in a first- degree murder case. I mean they've got to prove intent. This is the highest of the highest bars in homicide cases. I just I think possibly there's overcharging here, but they're pretty far away from a first-degree murder conviction in my opinion.
[Cuomo:] Overcharging meaning they went for too harsh a homicide here for what they could prove in intent beyond a reasonable doubt. And also, where's the proof of killing her in the bathtub? Where is that proof? Forget your sides for a second. Somebody give me a good argument for what we've seen introduced at trial that goes in as proof for how she died in the bathtub that comes to his hands? Anybody? Anybody got anything?
[Cevallos:] I'll go further than that. I'll go further than that. I mean the prosecution has to has to prove what we call corpus delicti. It's not enough to have a dead body. You have to prove not only that the death was unnatural, but beyond that, that it was the cause of criminality, and then beyond that, that the criminality was done by the doer, in this case the defendant. It's a really difficult burden in a case like this where you simply have an undetermined manner of death and the prosecution may never be able to get around that problem.
[Cuomo:] And yet, at the end of the day, when we talk about juries and nullification, it is always about whether or not they are able to see the proof for what it is. And you have a case here that is unlike any I've seen in quite some time, where there's going to be such motivation you have to believe by those jurors to want to find this man guilty. I know that's not their job, but it's almost emotionally impossible that, Sunny, let's end with you here, when they hear everything this man said, everything this man has done, that he's inconsistent about his stories about this situation, and if there's any really good chance that she died from an unnatural situation, it almost had to be him. Could it be enough?
[Hostin:] Yes, and, you know, I think it could be because they've painted him out to be such a bad guy. I mean what father has three of his daughters testify against him and one yesterday saying, I believe my father did it. When you look at that, I think, you know, you may have that juror that says, I've got to convict this guy. He's such a bad guy. He's had all of these affairs. His daughters hate him. He's not a good guy. He's probably guilty. But that, in my view, is not how our system is supposed to work. That's really not enough. Probably guilty is not guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
[Cuomo:] Sunny Hostin, thank you and thank you for the huge compliment, confusing me with Vinnie. He is a handsome and intelligent man. Danny Cevallos, neither of us are as good looking as you are, so thank you very much. Have a good weekend, to both of you. It's one of the reasons that this is such an intriguing case, because you have someone whose character seems to make them one kind of person, but can you prove it? Kate, that's what our system's all about. You only know what you show in court.
[Bolduan:] Thanks, Chris. Coming up on NEW DAY, Axe body spray is supposed to make men irresistible, but could it also make your kids sick? That is next.

[Bash:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. In other world news, it is a government cloaked in secrecy, which made North Korea's decision to grant a CNN crew rare access to three American captives all the more stunning. Kenneth Bae, Matthew Miller, and Jeffrey Fowle were each presented for five-minute interviews with CNN's Will Ripley. Bae pleaded for help from the U.S. government, Miller described the situation as urgent and Fowle acknowledged he was desperate to get back to his family. The men all say that they were speaking freely, but that notion is being met with heavy skepticism and with good reason. North Korea has long used its detainees as pawns in a bizarre chess match with U.S. officials. CNN's Will Ripley has more on the American captives and their message to the world.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Mr. Bae, Will Ripley with
[Cnn:] This is a moment we never expected. During a CNN trip to North Korea, officials take us to a secret location for a surprise interview with Kenneth Bae, the American missionary is serving 15 years hard labor for what are North Korea calls a Christian plot to the undermine the government. [on camera]: Can you tell me about the conditions at the labor camp?
[Kenneth Bae, American Held In North Korea:] Condition in labor camp is I'm working eight hours a day, six days a week, and working agriculture work to other hard labor that is required to do every day.
[Ripley:] Would you say you're being treated humanely?
[Bae:] Yes.
[Ripley:] And your message to your family?
[Bae:] Well, I'm sure they're very worried about my health at this time, and even though right now, last month and a half, my heart's been or so, not it's been failing so right now, what I can say to my family and friends is to continue to pray for me and also ask them to continue the effort on getting me released here.
[Ripley:] Bae's been in North Korea for almost two years. Two other Americans were arrested separately in April. [on camera]: We were pull off our regular schedule and brought here to a building in Pyongyang where we were told we had precisely five minutes with each of the detainees. [voice-over]: They're held in separate rooms and have no contact with each other. American Matthew Miller admitted to tearing up his asylum and seeking asylum in North Korea. Now, he wants out. [on camera]: What's the bottom line about your situation here and your message that you want to put out?
[Matthew Miller, America Held In North Korea:] That my situation is very urgent. That very soon I'm going to trial and I would directly be sent to prison. I think this interview is my final chance to push the American government into helping me.
[Jeffrey Fowle, American Held In North Korea:] I'd like to thank you guys for being here.
[Ripley:] Jeffrey Fowle, a father from Ohio, confessed to leaving a bible behind during a tourist trip, considered a covert act by the North Korea government. He was arrested on his daughter's birthday. [on camera]: And your message to your family?
[Fowle:] Message is I'll come home as soon as I can. My family is the biggest thing on my mind right now. I got the wife and three school aged school kids that depend on me for support. My mother-in-law is staying with us, too. So, there's six of us in our household. And when I'm gone
[Ripley:] Right now, Fowle's in a hotel, but that could quickly change if he's found guilty later this month.
[Fowle:] I'm good for the time being. I need to let people know I'm getting desperate. I'm getting desperate for help.
[Ripley:] Each man says they're getting humane treatment. They're pleading for the United States to send a special envoy to secure their release. Three Americans held in North Korea, waiting and hoping that some day, they'll go home.
[Bash:] That was CNN's Will Ripley with that remarkable report. So, just what exactly does North Korea's government hope to gain by granting these interviews? And how should the Obama administration react? Joining me now is Philip Yun. He's the former advisor to Secretary of State William Perry and executive director of Ploughshares in San Francisco. Now, Philip, you have actually been to North Korea four times, which is a lot for anybody outside, particularly for a U.S. citizen. Knowing the North Koreans as you do, but what do you think their message was? What do you think they were trying to do through these interviews?
[Philip Yun, Former Sr. Adviser, Defense Secretary William Perry:] This is a cynical ploy, in many respects, tugging at heartstrings. It's a deplorable situation. Obviously, these individuals are in great distress. So, this is a way for the North Koreans, as to ratchet up the pressure. There's another calculated thing they're doing. The timing of the interview being Labor Day, there's a lot of stuff going on in the world right now, and this is a way independent dramatic fashion through interviews and in this way to cut through what the North Koreans see is the news clutter, all that's going on with ISIS, what's going on in Ukraine. And this is a way to hopefully for them to put pressure to let the U.S. government know that North Korea still has these people and that they want the U.S. to do something about it.
[Bash:] Now, as somebody who was inside the administration trying to game out and figure out the North Koreans, which is not easy to do, put yourself in the State Department right now analyzing these interviews. What information do you think can be gained by reviewing these tapes?
[Yun:] Well, as you said, no one really knows what's going on in terms of what the leadership is thinking. But there could be you know, three or four possibilities. One is that this is just again a cynical ploy for them to get some kind of benefit. That's a possibility I think a lot of people would probably very easily say that. That's an easy way to talk about it. Another possibility is they actually want a high level envoy to come. You recall President Clinton did that a couple years ago. That was with Kim Jong-il, the father. So, there's a prestige factor involved if a high level envoy of some kind can meet Kim Jong-un. The third possibility is that this in a way is a way an opening to send a message to the United States. There's pressure, my understanding from the Chinese on the North Koreans to start moving to try to get some to be less unreasonable, and this is an opportunity to send a message and to get some kind of negotiation and talk and discussion between the United States. And finally, some people can say knowing that the Obama administration probably will not respond to this or it's very difficult in this circumstance, they're going to say no. So, this could be an excuse for North Korea continuing belligerent behavior which I think ultimately may end up in another nuclear test at some point in the future.
[Bash:] And you say that the Obama administration will likely say no. To a layman looking at this, they see these U.S. prisoners in North Korea. And you say which is probably the case that the North Koreans especially the newer leader, Kim Jung-un, wants a high level U.S. official to come there. It seems kind of simple, right? I mean, why not just send somebody if you can get these Americans back? But it isn't that simple when you're talking about this very delicate diplomatic dance with North Korea, is it?
[Yun:] Exactly. I mean, one, if you're talking about somebody at President Clinton's level, that's one thing. But the other question is when does it stop? I mean, this is something the North Koreans have steadily been using. We have more Americans that are going into North Korea. These kinds of things are going to be constantly repeated. And so, the question is, are we going to continually be in the situation where we're going to have to send someone to somehow get them out. There's another factor involved is that we did, my understanding, offer a high level envoy, Ambassador Bob King I think was scheduled to go. He's the individual in charge of human rights, the special envoy. And he was all set to go with respect to Kenneth Bae and the North Koreans suddenly turned it down. So, it's really unclear what the North Koreans are looking for. And, you know, we're in a situation where we're giving them a rock and North Koreans are saying yes or no, and that from our standpoint, a policy standpoint is not the place to be in.
[Bash:] Fascinating insight about a very opaque society. Philip Yun, thank you so much for your time. And, coming up, look at this this is no Labor Day pool party. These may be Islamic militants splashing around the U.S. embassy compound in Libya. And a family headed to Spain with their sick son in search of a cure. It was a trip that landed them in prison. That's all ahead on THE LEAD.

[Lemon:] Tonight, a major catastrophe averted outside Atlanta. A heavily armed gunman earlier today drove his SUV loaded with ammunition and explosives up to the front steps of a local courthouse. He then threw a smoke bomb out the window, which is the orange smoke you see towards the center of your screen. Seconds later, he opened fire, hitting a deputy in the leg. And as you're about to hear, that shot was met with a barrage of bullets from officers who were closing in. We're told the gunman's plan was to wreak havoc inside the building. David Mattingly OUTFRONT tonight live near the courthouse in Cumming, Georgia. And, David, what are you hearing about the suspect?
[David Mattingly, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, what we're hearing right now, Don, we're confirming through local officials that this man apparently was acting alone. We don't know exactly what his motivation was. But he definitely had the skills and the tools to do a great deal of harm at this courthouse. He was very heavily armed. He had an AR-15, a couple of handguns, grenades. He had bombs that he made. All of this appears ready to go inside the courthouse, take hostages, and then cause whatever mayhem that he may have had in mind. And he would have gone through with that and came very close to doing it except he ran into a single deputy at the courthouse who was outside doing his normal rounds, a normal security check outside the courthouse. That's when the two crossed paths. Gunfire was exchanged. That deputy acting the way he did delayed that man enough so that officers inside the courthouse, inside the nearby jail, even the SWAT team, which actually just by luck happened to be in the area, responded to the gunfire. They showed up, and that's when you heard that huge barrage of gunfire going off in the audio from that video that you had. Now, at this point, they were then wondering what else is going to be going on here. They were very cautious when they approached this man's home. We're now finding out that once they went inside, there were no booby-traps inside, but they did find four more explosive devices. The sheriffs saying there was a booby-trap here. There was something attached to the man's body after he was shot and killed, there was actually an explosive device attached to his body that would have gone off if they had moved him the wrong way. So, fortunately, no more injury, no more loss of life. The officer who was hit, who was hit, has gone through surgery, and he is expected to be OK. But there was a very, very tense time. In fact, you can hear it in the voices of the officers that responded in the radio traffic. Let's listen to that right now.
[Officer:] Radio, I don't have any visual. We have pepper gas going off at the front entrance.
[Dispatcher:] Pepper gas going off at the front office.
[Officer:] Sots fired! Tear gas has been deployed!
[Dispatcher:] He is down, he is down.
[Mattingly:] And that's how it all played out. You heard it, a very quiet, seemingly routine Friday morning at a county courthouse here in Georgia. Suddenly, that peace broken by a gunman. His motives unknown. However, his actions are returned by a great deal of gunfire from very quickly responding officers here Don.
[Lemon:] David Mattingly, high drama down South. High drama in the West today as well. Tonight, the search for a motive is under way as investigators continue to question the suspect in the shooting at Seattle Pacific University. The alleged gunman, Aaron Ybarra, making his first court appearance this afternoon. He is currently being held without bail in connection with the shooting that killed a 19-year-old student and injured two others. Also tonight, we're learning more about the man being hailed a hero, 26-year-old John Meis, who armed with just a canister of pepper spray, was able to take down the accused shooter. Let's go to CNN's Kyung Lah. She is OUTFRONT live in Seattle, Washington, for us. And, Kyung, what are you learning more about the young man who stopped the shooter?
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, people will tell us here that he is very shy, and we're certainly sensing that, because he has told ought the press that he doesn't want to talk right now, that he is requesting privacy. He is asking his friends and family not to make such a big deal out of this. But certainly for the people here in this campus, in this building at the scene, they think this is a very big deal what he did. As far as the gunman, you mentioned he was in court. He is being held without bail. He has not yet been charged. And we are learning more about the artillery that he was found with at the time of his arrest a hunting knife, a shotgun, and 50 rounds of ammo. Certainly, this could have been, according to the mayor of the city, a far worse situation.
[Unidentified Female:] It sounded like a very, very loud balloon popping.
[Lah:] The first shot didn't register to most students at Otto Miller Hall. Then, they saw their classmates bleeding.
[Unidentified Female:] I saw she had a lot of blood on her chest, probably indicating a chest wound.
[Lah:] Sophomore Rodney Greiling was just 30 feet away inside his physics class.
[Rodney Greiling, Sophomore:] It took a shot outside and then went inside, walked to the right, took another shot.
[Lah:] Greiling heard the two shotgun blasts back-to-back. Then, a pause.
[Greiling:] That's the time he was reloading.
[Lah:] He is suspect Aaron Ybarra, not a Seattle Pacific University student, but a man who police in the Seattle disturbs had taken into custody twice on a mental health hold in 2010 and 2012. CNN affiliate KIRO TV reports a police source says the accused gunman had a fascination with school shootings. Engineering student John Meis didn't know any of this. He is the student desk monitor, a fixture in the building's entryway.
[Greiling:] He was sitting in that glass room right there, and he ran out. His instincts said you're either going to die or, you're going to you know, go hide. And the guy didn't hesitate. The guy went out and jumped on him and potentially life-threatening situation.
[Lah:] Armed with pepper spray, Meis sprayed him in the face and then tackled him, holding him until police arrived. Meis stopped the gunman just inside the front door. Greiling says what makes this so surprising isn't just the action, but who took it. Greiling played intramural volleyball with Meis. He describes Meis as a smaller guy on the team, a bookworm.
[Greiling:] It turns out somebody you would totally not expect to do it. It's the coolest thing. It really is, you know? I mean, as bad as this was yesterday, it could have been multiple of times worse, you know, exponentially worse. Every single person that was in that building had a potential to be bed right now.
[Lah:] Including you.
[Greiling:] Absolutely.
[Lah:] Nineteen-year-old Paul Lee didn't make it. He died of his injuries. Three of his classmates were hurt. Another college campus dealing with the loss of young life, the loss of security, but today grateful that an unlikely hero saved so many of them. Now, classes were canceled today so students could attend that memorial service. As far as finals next week, because finals are scheduled here, we haven't heard whether or not they will take place. Many of the students believe they want to come back to school, they want things to return to normal as quickly as possible. And, Don, we are learning from the police that the shotgun used was legally purchased Don.
[Lemon:] Thank you, Kyung. Appreciate that. Still to come, three Michigan lawmakers being called sexist for what they did in a photo. Then, it's like something out of a movie, but it's all too real. Police using CIA technology to track your every move.

[Costello:] This morning, the search for a way to heal at Sandy Hook Elementary continues. Demolition crews will begin destroying the Connecticut grade school where a gunman killed 26 people. Last year's massacre added new urgency to the debate over gun violence and school safety. Also this morning students are returning to class at Danvers High School. A teacher was killed at the Boston area school earlier this week a 14-year-old student is now charged in her murder. And just two days before that another deadly explosion of violence this time at a middle school in Sparks, Nevada. Police say a 12-year- old student shot three people killing a teacher and then killing himself. So we want to take a couple of minutes now to discuss school violence and the search for answers. Douglas Fuchs is the police chief in Redding, Connecticut and some of his officers rushed to the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary and now share lessons learned. And Colonel Michael Edmonson is with the Louisiana State Police. This week both men focused on school violence at the International Association of Chiefs of Police Conference. Welcome to you both.
[Col. Michael Edmonson, Louisiana State Police:] Good morning.
[Chief Douglas Fuchs, Redding, Connecticut Police:] Good morning.
[Costello:] Good morning. First of all, I just want to gauge how afraid parents should be for their kids in school because it seems that we're experiencing a lot of these shootings across the country. So I'll pose that question to you, Chief Fuchs.
[Fuchs:] I have to say that I'm not sure that "scared" is the right word. I can say "bewildered" is probably better. Many folks in Newtown where I live were bewildered that these senseless acts of violence continue to take place in our society. And you know as I was dropping my daughter off to school this morning she knew I was coming to this interview and she asked me why. And I said it's important to get the message out. It's important to talk about this so hopefully we can prevent this from happening in the future. And she again asked me why, and she said, "Dad, you can talk all you want, they're never going to change."
[Costello:] How old is your daughter?
[Fuchs:] 16.
[Costello:] See that makes me really sad. Colonel Edmonson, is there an answer, I know police chiefs from across the world got together. So this problem isn't just the United States problem I assume.
[Edmonson:] No it's not and we talked about that with the National Association of Chiefs of Police. Also my governor here in Louisiana, Governor Jindal we're constantly talking about public safety. But you know when you look at our schools across the nation, I believe they are safe. And what we've got to sit there and think about is not just trying to predict when things are going to happen, but we've got to prevent those things from happening. That's threat assessments, that's working in partnership with your local police agencies. That's understanding where when you go to a school where the programs are and where the classrooms are and knowing how to get there and knowing how to get there very quickly. Active shooter training, education but it's also about talking to our kids. I mean they're going to tell us when things are going wrong, when things are going to happen. You've got to have that that conversation with the students, the teachers have to be engaged. The faculty has to be engaged. To be able to understand when a child sees something, they've got to feel comfortable in saying something. So think that's what's you got to look at.
[Costello:] But one of the interesting things that came out of this conference and I guess I'll address this to you Chief Fuchs is that we have to start teaching children not to run and hide, but to run and fight. The question I have is, how do you teach a 6-year-old that?
[Fuchs:] And you're exactly right. We've really changed the way we've looked at school safety. It's prevention which goes back to making sure people secure their weapons in their homes. Because if they didn't have access to those weapons, they wouldn't be brought to school. It's deterrence. And we know that law enforcement presence makes a difference. And especially in our part of the world you've seen a lot of school districts put school-based officers, or SROs, in and around the schools because we know that our presence changes people's behavior. Over 50 percent of the time when law enforcement respond to an active shooter, that shooter takes their own life before they challenge is. And a vast majority of the rest of the time, we're able to neutralize that threat or take them into custody beforehand. And as you talked about training we used to train people to lock themselves down and hide. And that's just not working unfortunately. We are now training to run, to hide and to fight. And if you can run, you run as fast and you run as far as you possibly can. In the morning of December 14th I picked up four teachers on the way to Sandy Hook school. They did just that, they ran until they found safety. They didn't have kids in their classroom they were in the back of the school and they ran and that works. If that doesn't work, then you lock down and you hide. And we're teaching our educators how to better fortify their classrooms so that it's tougher to get in. Better compartmentalization within the school. But when all else fails, we're also now teaching them to fight. And I have to tell you, I don't like that. I know the educators really don't like that. But we just don't have any other choice.
[Costello:] So so Colonel when when Chief Fuchs says fight, what does that mean? Does that mean throwing something at the gunman? I mean what does that mean?
[Edmonson:] I think it's doing everything you can to get the attention away from that gunman. But you've got to have constant conversation not only with the police, but also with the kids. And I think that's where the the education has got to be ongoing. It can't be, well we've done enough now and let's just stop that. It's got to be a continual basis. And that communication is so important we're doing it constantly as police officers, continually doing those threat assessments, as trying to look at ways we can prevent things from happening because it's about that pro-active approach. And you're right about that 6-year-old. I mean I've got four kids and to have that constant communication to where you've got to be engaged with them so they can feel comfortable. But we also have to find that that happy medium. Because when a parent puts a kid off at a school bus, they ought to feel safe. When that child is going to a school, that parent ought to say, you know what, I feel comfortable that my child is going to be safe in that school. So you've got to find that happy medium where you where you certainly educate the parent but educating those kids and have that communication where they where they talk to those teacher and they say, hey, what do I do in a situation like this? And putting in on their level so they understand what they need to do. And from a police perspective, educating the police to make sure they get somewhere very quickly, very pro-active. They were looking at prevention of things from happening and also those threat assessments. That's got to be something that we continually talk about within the IACC but also with police officers across this country and across this world.
[Costello:] Well Colonel Michael Edmonson and Chief Douglas Fuchs thank you so much for sharing this information. It's very helpful thank you so much.
[Edmonson:] Thank you.
[Fuchs:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM we spoke to her on week one of the Obamacare website launch. And after delays and numerous phone calls, she still has not been able to enroll in a health insurance plan. We'll find out what Terry O'Neal is going to do now.

[Costello:] Tensions are mounting in Ukraine. U.S. officials say up to 40,000 Russian troops have amassed near the Ukrainian border. Those troops and Russia's recent annexation of Crimea are sparking fears of a further military incursion. Speaking to CBS News, President Obama expressed concern.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] You've seen a range of troops massing along that border under the guise of military exercises. But these are not what Russia would normally be doing. And you know, it may simply be an effort to intimidate Ukraine or may be that they have additional plans.
[Costello:] CNN's Karl Penhaul joins me now from the Russia-Ukrainian border. And this is an amazing report. Take it away Karl.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Carol we are just a few miles that way from the Russian border. We are in northeastern Ukraine right now. What I want to show you we have moved a few miles up the road from where we were last hour that I spoke to you. Behind me, a Ukrainian armored personnel carrier with machine guns mounted on the front of it is as well. That is being dug into a defensive position. There are other positions a little further up the road that Ukrainian military doesn't really want me to show you. There is a TAC tank, there's other hardware there as well. And they're in this position here to defend a strategic bridge a strategic bridge inside of Ukraine that leads from the Russian border. And that is in case Russian troops come across here because as you mentioned, the Pentagon's figures, 40,000 Russian troops massing on the other side of that border. The Ukrainian government says the figure was almost twice as high. The Ukrainian government also says that the Russians have tanks, they have artillery pieces and they have attack helicopters. Now, of course, the local population here as well, on high alert they are not taking anything for granted. They know the Ukrainian military down in Crimea, folded and practically surrendered to the Russians. They also know that they expect very little military help from the Western powers including the United States. The local civilians have been coming together and forming self-defense committees. They have been going to army and navy surplus stores buying their own uniforms for about $120 at times. They are wearing British military uniforms, German military uniforms, any military uniforms they can get their hands on and putting together these self- defense brigades. They have been digging trenches alongside the highway, putting up barricades of sandbags and also car tires that they say they will set on fire and put up smoke screens if the Russians roll across. And that is the big question. It's something that President Obama himself alluded to. The Americans right now don't know what really the Russian intentions are. They know that force across that side of the border is so big and so fast, it could be here with zero warning, Carol.
[Costello:] I just can't imagine the courage in the face of Russian military might. They're digging trenches and setting tires on fire. It is astounding. Karl Penhaul, reporting live from Ukraine. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm Carol Costello. "@ THIS HOUR" with Berman and Michaela after a break.

[Feyerick:] Tensions are skyrocketing in the Ukraine crisis. But so far, weapons have for the most part stayed silent. Question number four, will the Ukraine crisis erupt into bloodshed? I want to bring in CNN International's Michael Holmes in Kiev, Ukraine, and correspondent Erin McPike in Washington. Michael, first to you. Will the Ukraine crisis erupt into actual combat as each side gets closer to Crimea's controversial vote on joining the Russian Federation?
[Michael Holmes, Cnn International Anchor And Correspondent:] Well, no way to know for sure. But everybody, of course, hopes not, Deb. It's certainly been extremely tense in some areas around Crimea. They're raising questions really about the state of rule of law. I mean, we've heard of pro-Ukrainian protesters being attacked by pro- Russian protesters. And also, no shortage of pictures of roadblocks man by really an odd assortment of people, some of them in uniform, some not, some armed, cars being searched. People really intimidated, having their papers examined, their baggage searched. This is, while not crossing any international frontier, remember, this is while people are technically traveling around within Ukraine. They're just going to or from Crimea. So, some very worrying developments in terms of how people are being treated in Crimea and these armed men who seem to be running the show, and very little in the way of official security forces Deb.
[Feyerick:] All right. Michael Holmes for us. So, Erin, the follow question, this could all hinge on a crucial meeting in D.C. this week. Who is coming in to talk face to face with President Obama?
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Deb, the interim prime minister of Ukraine is coming on Wednesday to meet with President Obama. Part of that meeting is simply to legitimize him on a world stage and also especially in the eyes of Russia. Now, that referendum that you referred to, the interim prime minister of Ukraine has said that is not legitimate. President Obama agrees with him. As do a number of European leaders. And they'll likely talk about how to address that if that vote moves forward and what happens next Sunday. Now, Ukraine also wants to hold elections in May. President Obama will likely talk about how to implement those elections, carry them out, and the assistance that the United States will provide. Ukraine wants to hold direct talks with Russia. They will talk about how the United States can help facilitate that. Also, Russian President Vladimir Putin has been speaking with President Obama. Those talks will continue as will the talks between Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. And the last thing that the United States will be doing in the next week or so is that legislation has been moving through Congress on potential additional sanctions against Russia. So we'll likely get some more details on that this week, Deb.
[Feyerick:] Watching all the borders. Michael Holmes, Erin McPike, thank you so much for us. And question number five. Will NSA leaker Edward Snowden drop any surprises when he speaks to thousands of people in Texas tomorrow? These are live pictures from Austin, the site of the South by Southwest interactive film and music festival. That's where Snowden is expected to speak via satellite live from Russia. CNN's Money Tech correspondent Laurie Segall is in Austin. And, Laurie, who invited Snowden to speak and why?
[Laurie Segall, Cnnmoney Tech Correspondent:] You know, the ACLU has partnered with Snowden to put on this talk. It's a pretty big deal, because he hasn't really addressed as many folks as this group of this group of people. I mean, this conference is all technologists. So, the people that are going to be in the audience are the people that have been affected very much so by these NSA revelations, who are unhappy. And they're going to have the opportunity to actually ask questions. You know, one thing he's going to be addressing is how tech can protect people against mass surveillance. I'll say this, Deb. He said before he's only released a little bit of what he's got. So, I can imagine a lot of folks are probably going to ask what else do you have? That's probably going to be a conversation happening here.
[Feyerick:] My guess is he's probably not going to tip his hand as far as that goes. But clearly he's got enough that the U.S. government very worried about that. But how can he address questions about how to protect tech privacy when he's sort of did the greatest invasion of tech privacy of all times, in a way, stealing all that information?
[Segall:] You know, it's such an interesting question. Now is the opportunity for people to actually ask him those questions. We can have the opportunity to ask those questions. But, you know, one sentiment you really get here at South by Southwest and what's moving the conversation forward and what we're going to be talking about is the fact a lot of folks are very angry at the government for overreaching. A lot of the tech folks on the ground who are building out this technology. And there's also a bit of a tension that sometimes it seems as though Washington can't keep up with Silicon Valley. There are people, you know, this is the conversation people are having. And this probably, you know, what will be addressed, parts of this will be addressed, when Snowden speaks.
[Feyerick:] Yes. Absolutely. Knowing when there's an intruder in your system, clearly of crucial importance to anybody who uses any sort of digital device. All right. Laurie Segall for us, thanks so much. We appreciate it.
[Segall:] Thank you.
[Feyerick:] Well, a big week ahead for Pope Francis. The pontiff will celebrate the one-year anniversary since being elected. What may be in store for year two? We're going to explain that, coming up on the other side.

[Camerota:] Moments ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin wrapped up a three-plus hour press conference in which he made a surprising comment, saying his decision whether to run for reelection will depend on the country's economic situation. Right now, the economy is in a downward spiral, but he assured Russians it will bounce back. Let's bring in Ilya Ponomarev. He's a Russian opposition politician who's a member of the State Duma. That's Russia's legislative body. Mr. Ponomarev, nice to see you again.
[Ilya Ponomarev, Member Of Russian State Duma:] Good morning.
[Camerota:] Just to give viewers a context of who you are, you have never been in lockstep with Putin nor have you been in lockstep with the Duma, the legislative body on which you sit. In fact, you were the only State Duma member in March to vote against the annexation of Crimea. Since that time, your bank accounts have been frozen and you have been virtually exiled. So what is it like to watch what's happening in Russia and the economic crisis now for you?
[Ponomarev:] I really feel sorry for my country and especially there are a lot of people whom I am working with and who we're working with during reset policies that were implemented by Russia and the United States and the reorganization of the economy that was introduced by Medvedev. All of those people right now sits here in Silicon Valley or in Boston or New York. They virtually, all of them, left Russia and that's really feels me sorry.
[Camerota:] Like we said, President Putin just wrapped up a three-plus hour press conference. He made some headlines, particularly talking about the economy. He says that Russian growth is inevitable so people don't need to worry so much. He finished on a very cheery note. He said we will get through this period. It's not easy, of course, but we'll strengthen our position in the world economy. The most important thing is to ensure social prosperity of people despite the cuts in the budget and we can do that. We absolutely can. What do you think of his optimism?
[Ponomarev:] I totally share his optimism. For sure, we will do all of that. But I am afraid we will be doing this without him.
[Camerota:] What do you mean?
[Ponomarev:] I mean that, with the current policy that has been implemented, the economy would not bounce back under his leadership. And people were very much hoping that he would give at least some answers how he would overcome the economic crisis of today. Who is responsible for the downfall of the ruble? Does he feel sorry for what was have been done and for the policies that actually led to this economic crisis? Because it's all artificial. It was not supposed to happen just beginning of this year. And he felt like no, I am OK. I'm not at fault. None of my people are at fault. Central bank and the government is doing OK. All my people, you know, are doing the right things. And it would have happened even without Crimea, even without invasion in Ukraine. That's just a general logic of confrontation of the West with Russia.
[Camerota:] And yet, Putin's public opinion poll numbers continue to be remarkably high. Here is a poll taken by the Associated Press. This was just earlier this month, so already when the economy was slipping, 81 percent of Russians believe in Putin. And that is compared to 2012 when it was just 58 percent. How do you explain his tremendous poll numbers despite this crisis?
[Ponomarev:] People do not believe in Putin. People believe in certain policies that are being implemented right now. People believe that we indeed is at war with the west, that America is trying to crush Russia, that America is trying to crush Ukraine and that we are protecting our brother Ukrainians from America's aggression. That's what our TV is telling Russians and that's why they support Putin, who is the commander-in-chief and who is leading the resistance to the Western aggression. But time will pass and it will be not so long time, and then people will say OK, so maybe we were mistaken, maybe it was the wrong message, maybe the guy who is propagating the message is actually trying to cheat us.
[Camerota:] So, very quickly, Mr. Ponomarev, yes or no do you think Putin survives this?
[Ponomarev:] Of course not. It just will take him a year and a half, two years, and then he would be gone.
[Camerota:] Ilya Ponomarev, nice to see you again. Thank you for sharing your personal thoughts on this.
[Ponomarev:] Thanks for having me.
[Camerota:] OK, let's go back to Chris in Miami.
[Cuomo:] What an interesting discussion you just had, Alisyn. Thank you very much for that. So the situation here, you have a stalemate that had lasted 50 years. Right now the sudden and certainly historic thaw between the U.S. and Cuba. A big player here we're all talking about President Obama what about Pope Francis? He and the Vatican played a very big part. Much of what just happened in Cuba and the U.S. started in Rome. We'll tell about it.

[Unidentified Male:] ... we`d still be back in the dark ages of investigating crime.
[Jane Velez-mitchell:] Breaking news tonight, and it is the motion I`m holding in my hands. Convicted murderer Jodi Arias is at it again. She has just fired herself. That`s right: she wants to go back to having a real attorney represent her in the crucial penalty phase retrial to decide if she should live or die. Call it her own twisted take on a woman`s prerogative to change her mind. Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live. You are looking at Jodi`s hand-written note, a request to the judge, saying, "Hey, Judge, you know when I said I wanted to represent myself and act as my own lawyer? Never mind. I`ve changed my mind again." Is this stunt just a move designed to give herself, well, a chance to spend more weepy dramatic time on the witness stand? Remember this?
[Jose Martinez, Prosecutor:] Ma`am, were you crying when you were shooting him?
[Jodi Arias, Convicted Murderer:] I don`t remember.
[Martinez:] Were you crying when you were stabbing him?
[Arias:] I don`t remember.
[Martinez:] How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?
[Arias:] I don`t know.
[Martinez:] So take a look then. And you were the one that did this, right?
[Velez-mitchell:] Jodi was convicted last year of brutally murdering her lover, Travis Alexander, in 2008. Jodi stabbed him repeatedly and slit his throat ear to ear, nearly decapitating him. And then for good measure shot him in the head. The jury who convicted her couldn`t agree on whether she should face life in prison or death by lethal injection. So a new trial on the penalty phase. Now, this retrial has been delayed over and over. I want to hear from you. What do you think of this latest stunt, going back on her demand that she be able to represent herself? Now she says, "No, never mind." 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. And please join my conversation. Go to my Jane Velez-Mitchell Facebook page, or you can talk to me on Twitter, @jvm. Our expert Lion`s Den panel standing by, ready to debate this. But first out to Nancy Grace producer Alexis Weed. You got your hands on this motion. What have you learned about this latest stunt and its implications for the penalty phase coming up?
[Alexis Weed, Hln Producer:] Yes. How about it, Jane? Jodi Arias saying in her motion that she filed just today through her attorney, saying, "I hereby move to relinquish my pro se status and request my Sixth Amendment right to counsel." So a month ago, she was saying she wanted to represent herself, and here we are today, where she`s saying, "Nope, I want to relinquish that. I want my lawyers back." So is this a stunt for another delay? Is it her attempt to get Nurmi off this trial once and for all? Who knows? We won`t find out until Monday when the next hearing takes place.
[Velez-mitchell:] That`s right. Areva Martin, attorney, there`s going to be a big hearing. It`s supposed to be like the last hearing before September 29 when potential jurors come in. And we were all thinking about this surreal concept of Jodi interviewing jurors, and saying, "Hey, do you recognize my face? Did you hear the sex tape that I recorded with Travis Alexander?" And we thought, well, that`s crazy. But now she`s said, "Never mind. I don`t want to represent myself anymore." Is this a delay tactic? Is it just that it`s becoming real for her and she`s getting nervous because she got her GED behind bars and probably doesn`t know we know she doesn`t know the terminology needed to represent herself?
[Areva Martin, Attorney:] You know, Jane, this lady just loves attention. She loves the cameras. She loves, you know, dropping bombs on everyone. So we can`t help but think that this is another one of those situations. However, though, this judge has made it very clear that there will be no more delays. Now, typically, in a case like this, you know, there`s a request for new counsel to come into a case, particularly a case of this size. That attorney, if it`s not the folks that have been representing her, are going to need a lot of time to get up to speed. But this judge has said no more delays. So it`ll be interesting to see if new counsel is selected and if that counsel tries to get some additional time to delay this penalty phase of Jodi`s trial.
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, look, she`s said no delays, but she`s delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed. And of course, she`s done that, because it`s a death penalty trial and she doesn`t want to make any mistakes that will allow that one in the sunglasses to file an appeal. Danny Cevallos, come Monday when there`s going to be this final crucial hearing, and we all know now that Jodi is saying, "No, I don`t want to represent myself anymore." Well, what do you predict she`s going to do on Monday? Ask for a delay? Ask to get a new attorney? What?
[Danny Cevallos, Hln Legal Analyst:] Pro se defendants, Jane, are at once the bane and also the glory of the legal system. And in many cases, pro se defendants don`t understand, necessarily, what`s going on, and they know they only have one tool, one weapon in their arsenal, and that sometimes is just delay. It`s doing something: filing a motion, changing your mind. And as much as it may frustrate us, let`s try to take a step back and remember we are talking about the death penalty and a constitutional right, as irritating as it may be, for every defendant to represent themselves at court.
[Velez-mitchell:] Danny Danny, I love you. I love you, but here`s the thing.
[Cevallos:] Thank you.
[Velez-mitchell:] First she represented herself once before for about a week back in 2011 or 2000 yes, 2011. Then she decided she was in over her head and asked for her lawyers back. Then she got her lawyers back. And then she said, "OK, I want these lawyers." Then the lawyers said, "I want off the case." No, no, no, she`s got to have the lawyers. She says, "No, I want to represent myself." Now she finally got the chance to represent herself, and after a few weeks, she`s saying, "NO, I don`t want to represent myself anymore." I mean, this is madness, and I`ve got to bring in a psychiatrist, Dion Metzger. I mean, this is she is crazy, not legally, because she knows right from wrong.
[Dion Metzger, Psychiatrist:] Right.
[Velez-mitchell:] But this is part of her craziness that makes her impossible, that makes her infuriating and that makes herself somewhat fascinating.
[Metzger:] I mean, it`s very fascinating. And part of me wondered if she`s wondering if she`s going to get too emotional when she`s trying to represent herself. Because look how much she was crying on the stand. She may be wondering... We`re not positive, but OK, she may be wondering, "OK, maybe my emotions might interfere with my ability to defend myself."
[Velez-mitchell:] Or maybe she figures "It`s going to be a little harder for me to fake crying on the witness stand if I`m also asking myself the question. Maybe I should go back to being the witness so I can just sit there and sob, even though no actual tears come out. Because if I`m asking the questions, that`s going to make me too serious and objective. I need to be able to show emotion." What do you think of that analysis, Rachel D`Alto, relationship expert?
[Rachel D`alto, Relationship Expert:] I think that`s actually the most logical way to explain it. And this is the most logical decision that she`s made during this trial. So obviously, she`s she`s very emotional and has a lot of issues regarding her defense and the facts that surround this case. So for her to be able to defend herself and do it during the penalty phase, I just don`t know see how that was ever a possibility. So whether she`s doing it for attention or whether she finally came to her senses, in a miniscule way, in this case, then that`s what I see here.
[Velez-mitchell:] It was painfully clear for a long time.
[Martin:] You know, Jane...
[Velez-mitchell:] Go ahead.
[Martin:] Jane, we can`t underestimate the gravity of this situation. You pointed out, this woman has a GED that she got in jail. She didn`t go to college; she doesn`t have a law degree. A penalty phase of a death penalty case is the most significant and probably the most difficult, you know, legal proceeding that`s going to take place in a courthouse. This woman was not prepared to handle that kind of case. And hopefully, she came to her senses and realized that it`s her life at stake. This is not a game. This is not, you know, a reality television show. This is real life. So hopefully...
[Velez-mitchell:] I`ve got to get I`ve got to get to this. It`s been very well known that Jodi Arias and one of her attorneys, her lead attorney, Kirk Nurmi, really despise each other. Remember this?
[Kirk Nurmi, Defense Lawyer:] It`s not even about whether or not you like Jodi Arias. Nine times out of ten, I don`t like Jodi Arias.
[Velez-mitchell:] So Danny Cevallos, if now we go back to that attorney, who has asked off the case repeatedly and been denied, who has said in open court he doesn`t like his own client, if he loses the case and she gets sentenced to death, isn`t that a natural for her to appeal?
[Cevallos:] Well, she`s going to appeal no matter what happens. But that statement that Nurmi made in closing, I`ve heard a lot of defense attorneys say that it sort of rationalizes their argument to the jurors to say, "Hey, if you don`t like her, I don`t like her either." But yes, when you have a defendant like Jodi Arias, they often get into fights with their attorney. Why? Because it`s the only person they can fight with, especially when they`re court-appointed. They feel like that court-appointed attorney is just another member of the government trying to take them down. And they can been incredibly frustrating to deal with. Remember, imagine yourself incarcerated...
[Velez-mitchell:] Here`s the thing. He doesn`t like her. He`s been in this nightmare. He`s a victim of Jodi Arias. He`s been trapped in this nightmare of a case since 2008 or thereabouts. He`s been her attorney for years; doesn`t want to be her attorney. Why why would he go out and do an absolutely ferocious job defending her when he can`t stand her?
[Cevallos:] I can answer that. I...
[Velez-mitchell:] OK. Quickly.
[Martin:] Jodi Jane, he`s a professional. That`s what he gets paid to do.
[Cevallos:] I can answer that, Jane. As lawyers who take court appointments as lawyers who take court appointments, we are duty bound to zealously represent our client, even when it`s a client that we can`t stand. And if you don`t think that happens a lot, talk to any defense attorney.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. Debbie, New York, what you got to say? Debbie, New York.
[Caller:] Hi, Jane.
[Velez-mitchell:] Hi.
[Caller:] My comment is that we have to change the Constitution. Because people who do not have law degrees shouldn`t be getting up and wasting everyone`s time. That`s No. 1. No. 2, someone whispered in her ear and said, "Are you crazy? You can`t do this." She didn`t make this up on her own. She`s too smart for that. She`s smart as she`s as dumb as her socks. And thirdly, I agree. Her attorney just didn`t want to be as hated like his client was, so he had to make that comment. In the public opinion, he wants to be liked. And he wouldn`t be liked aligning himself with the likes of her. And she`s going not to get the death penalty.
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, that`s interesting, because all she needs is one person. Twitter saying, Dee says, "Jodi knows this will be her last public appearance. She`s playing it for all its worth." Tracy says, "It`s all attention seeking behavior. Nothing more. She`s disgusting." Jodi`s defense, of course, at her trial where she was convicted focused on demonizing the man that she slaughtered, Travis Alexander. She tried to paint him as a pedophile, an abuser, a sexual deviant.
[Arias:] When he spun me around, he bent me over the bed. He lifted up my skirt, and he pulled down my underwear. He unzipped his pants. He began to have anal sex with me.
[Velez-mitchell:] Alexis Weed, "NANCY GRACE" producer, you were in the courtroom. We sat next to each other watching that obscenity. Juan Martinez very successfully argued she`s a pathological liar. But do you get the sense that she`s going to try to throw Travis under the bus again and basically, it`s going to be the same old "Jodi the victim" song and dance during this retrial?
[Weed:] Absolutely. She took every opportunity she had during the first part of the trial to throw him under the bus. So I don`t see why she would not keep on going. That was her mantra during that whole time when we sat there. You remember.
[Velez-mitchell:] Oh, yes. We I mean, it was cringe-worthy. But Prosecutor Martinez did a great job. This man is the victim. And she better not try to put him on trial. She better not take the stand and sob and call him every name in the book and lie because, you know what? She`s been exposed as the pathological liar that she is. And I outline it in my "New York Times" best seller, "Exposed: The Secret Life of Jodi Arias." And that book is now out in paperback. And I`ve got to tell you, it`s a very good way, perfect way to get up to date on the case before the death penalty phase starts up in a couple of weeks. I reveal secrets in this book, "Exposed," that never came out at trial. And it`s available everywhere, so I hope you check it out. Up next, she was having a very steamy affair with her good friend`s husband, and now she`s dead. What happened in this love triangle that led cops to discover the victim of murder?
[Unidentified Female:] The apparent motive of the murder of Kelly Brennan: jealousy. Police say Trott killed Brennan at the house where she was staying, hid her body at Mark`s Landing, then called her mother to confess.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn:] Good evening. We begin tonight with breaking news. The University of Oklahoma now minus two students in the fraternity they belonged to. Sigma Alpha Epsilon is gone. Two members who appear to be leading the chant about hanging black men from trees, they have been expelled. And just moments ago, one of the expelled students, Parker Rice, issued a statement to the "Dallas Morning News." It reads in part, "I am deeply sorry for what I did Saturday night. It was wrong and reckless. I made a horrible mistake by joining in the singing and encouraging others to do the same. On Monday, I withdrew from the university. And sadly, this moment, our family is not able to be in our home because threatening calls as well as frightening talk on social media." The family of one frat brother on the video came forward. In just about half an hour, a rally is planned on campus at the former SAE house. But first, Miguel Marquez has the latest.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Parker Rice, 19-year- old freshman, expelled from the University of Oklahoma has pretty much vanished. At his home in Dallas, no sign of him nor his family. He and members of the SAE fraternity clearly avoiding publicity after the video was leaked to the school newspaper and ricocheting around the world. At the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house, its traditional letters unceremoniously removed. Today, a steady flow of moving trucks. Big job?
[Unidentified Male:] I have no idea.
[Marquez:] Fast job?
[Unidentified Male:] Your guess good as mine is right now. It's last minute call, so.
[Marquez:] At the SAE house, a last minute scramble to clear out. Hello? Hello? How are you? CNN. Can I chat with somebody? It is 4:00 here in Oklahoma and the parking lot here at the SAE house is nearly empty hours ahead of the deadline imposed by the university. This entire fraternity shut down. Students here in full protest mode. The story football team linking arms in a powerful show of support for the demonstrators but there is fallout. One star recruit who signed on to play for OU now says no way.
[Unidentified Male:] I wouldn't want my son or child going anywhere like that. I don't want my brothers going anywhere like that. It was disturbing to me. I don't like it.
[Marquez:] Bright spot out of work African-American SAE chef Howard Dixon hit an unexpected jackpot. More than $60,000 raised for him online. And those who attended OU pledged SAE in love both institutions or left, scratched heads and left. When you saw this, how did you react?
[Unidentified Male:] Shocked. Absolutely shocked. That's all I can say. I think it's wrong to judge the entire house on what a few did on a bus.
[Marquez:] Bob Burnham came to his old fraternity house hoping to find answers. He was quickly was overwhelmed with emotion. Why did you come here to see this place after so many years?
[Unidentified Male:] Well, it was.
[Cooper:] Miguel Marquez joining us in front of the SAE fraternity house. Is there likely to be more expulsion expulsions?
[Marquez:] It looks like there may be more expulsions, certainly disciplinary actions. The school wants to know everybody on that bus, and what their role was, and what they were doing before any final decisions but sounds like it is very much leaving the door open to expulsion expulsions, Anderson.
[Cooper:] There have been suggestions that this so-called chant is used more widely. In apology statement, this young man has put out. He said he that was taught this chant. He doesn't say who he taught it by or who they were taught it by. Do we know more about it?
[Marquez:] We don't know a lot more. We're getting glimpses. It is a secretive society as all fraternities are, but we know in other areas, students have told me they have heard similar or the same chant before. It has been reported in other areas around the country that the similar or same chant has been used by SAE fraternities. The national chapter said this is nothing that is sanctioned. This is not an SAE chant, but yet we keep hearing in dribs and drabs, individuals coming forward saying it is something they have heard before. It's a fraternity formed around the time of the civil war Anderson.
[Cooper:] Yes. Miguel Marquez, thank you very much. In case you're wondering about the kind of racial climate at the SAE house, here's another video that surfaced. The SAE house mother from OU rapping along the Trinidad James' old gold everything. And seemingly excited to be using the n word. Now for the record, the song drops the n-bomb three times in a row at most. The house mother does it seven times. Today, she says, she is heartbroken that she is friends of all races and does not tolerate any form of discrimination in her life. She also said she knew nothing about the chant. Joining us now is Brandon Weghorst, SAE associate, executive director of communication. Brandon, thank you for being with us. So, two members of the fraternity kicked out of school today. Do you believe that was a just punishment?
[Brandon Weghorst, Sae Associate, Executive Director Of Communication:] Absolutely. We believe there's consequences for your actions. It's unfortunate when someone has to be expelled from the university like that but there are things that you have to take into consideration and especially in a hateful message like that. They don't represent us. They don't represent anyone.
[Cooper:] The students in the video, certainly didn't seem like this was the first time they chanted this. Were you aware of this chant before? Again, the young man in the statement just released says this is a chant he had been taught. He doesn't say who taught it.
[Weghorst:] Right. We've been asked that question also on the headquarters level and also looked into these different cases that people say this group knows this chant or this was taught by the national organization. There's absolutely nothing in our history, especially related to our songs of course that has to do with a chant that's inappropriate and racist and just disgusting like this. And I don't understand, you know. So we're sort of trying to figure out how we can validate that. And we hold other people accountable and other chapters accountable if we know that they have details about this or participating in something like this.
[Cooper:] How many black members have there been in the University of Oklahoma's SAE chapter?
[Weghorst:] I don't know the exact number because until a year and a half or two years ago, we were not really asking ethnicity as part of reporting to the national headquarters because we never thought it's been important the color of your skin or your background of origin, simply whether or not you have the characteristics and really the character and moral value we're looking for in Sigma Alpha Epsilon. So in the data we have currently, it doesn't actually reflect the entire span of the current undergraduates across the country.
[Cooper:] Well there is an essay written by an African-American man who joined this chapter 14 years ago. At that point, he said he was the second black member ever at the chapter. And he said that since then, there has not been a third. So in the entire history of the chapter, according to him, there's only been two African-American members of the SAE fraternity. And I guess I'm wondering, what sort of oversight at all do you have of your fraternities? Because as a national organization, I would think if you looked and said, gee, in the past 14 years, there isn't been one black person at this fraternity, that's kind of odd.
[Weghorst:] It may seem odd for, you know, obviously for this particular case and to say, this is somehow indicative of all the chapters across the country. But that's not true. There are chapters in the country right now even though there's not a statistic behind it that we know from interacting with and from training and other events that there's chapters where there are white students who are the minority. And then other chapters there are other minorities or other groups that are representative. There are chapters where a lot of people come from homes and English isn't spoken as a primary first language, so it depends what campus you're at.
[Cooper:] I'm just wondering as an organization, was there never a time when somebody from the national organization visited this chapter or looked at the roles of this chapter and in the last 14 years, never said, there's no black people here and there's only been two black people in the history of this thing. I mean, what kind of oversight do you actually have?
[Weghorst:] Absolutely and the thing is that the oversight of the national office is that we work with the chapters, we do visit the chapters but chapters are autonomous. In other words, we do not mandate who they can or take from membership. There are regulations on the type of person, the type of individual they should extend an invitation to join too. But again, in terms of saying this is a problem, it is not something that, again, to the national organization has stepped in to say we need to monitor this more closely only in the sense there are certainly things we want and the things the organization has.
[Cooper:] So now, are you thinking maybe that should be something to say to local chapters, that you know what, it would be a good idea to have a diverse student body as part of this fraternity. I mean, it reflects the values we care about. Is that something you're thinking about doing?
[Weghorst:] Anderson, yes. The leadership is dedicated to making sure of this. The response to the national organization or leadership isn't about just about saying we close a chapter, the members are suspended and facing expulsion soon. It is about that we can't control what's happened in the past. It's in the past. What we can do is focus on the current situation, where we are right now as an organization and what we need to do to change this to make it better, to learn from things and make sure our members understand this is the type of thing that we stand for as a fraternity because it's the right thing to do and because we need to move forward from this situation. It's wrong to vilify sigma alpha epsilon across the country based on a chapter or a couple of chapters or instances that happened even over a 10 or 20 year span. Still, it's a large national organization.
[Cooper:] Are you concerned at all though, according to "the Washington Post" online, SAE talks about its roots in the pre-civil war south and
[Weghorst:] Sure. We obviously looked at that to see how that's perceived by anybody who is considering joining the fraternity at any campus across the country. But the reality is that we were founded in 1856 at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa. So the early members of the fraternity and the history of the organization is exactly that. We have a lot to be proud of in Sigma Alpha Epsilon. Of course, we know the history of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, what is affiliated and not affiliated with SAE because we are members. The bigger issue is we need to do a better job communicating that and how it's perceived by people who are not in the fraternity.
[Cooper:] Right. I mean, I get being proud of one's history. I have roots in the south as well. I understand being proud of, you know, the people who founded the fraternity. I know a lot of pledges memorize the names of the original founders and apparently this bus was going to a founder's day party but don't you think, if one of your goals moving forward is perhaps and maybe it's not but to attract African-American members, you say you think about how it might be perceived, don't you think that would be perceived differently by African-Americans than it might be perceived by whites of the southern background?
[Weghorst:] Absolutely. And there's part of the discussion. I mean, we're looking at a lot of different options. Our leadership is also engaged with people to reach out to us to offer their support and also the things that they think that we need to take into consideration. So that we can do a better job of being able to communicate more accurately what SAE is and looking at, you know, the type of person we want because it is true that we don't look at diversity in the sense of just being the color of someone's skin or the ethnicity. There's a lot of diversity in the organization that is not just about that. Background in terms of that.
[Cooper:] Right. But some diversity in terms of color of skin might not be a bad idea?
[Weghorst:] No, absolutely. And again, if you will look at chapters across the country even talk to members in Sigma Alpha Epsilon right now, they would look at not be able to how can you say we're not diverse?
[Cooper:] We're going to do that now. Brandon, I appreciate you being on. Thank you.
[Weghorst:] Of course. Thank you for having me.
[Cooper:] Joining me now is Mikel Sykes, president of the SEA at Delta State University in Cleveland, Mississippi. And Naomi Kadira, co- director of OU Unheard on campus. Appreciate both of you being with us. Mikel, let's start with you. When you first saw this video, I mean, obviously, I imagine you were horrified who as someone who belongs to the fraternity at another university.
[Mikel Sykes, President, Sae At Delta State University In Cleveland , Mississippi:] Absolutely. It was really upsetting, extremely disturbing to see that members of the organization to have that belief and have that chant a part of their traditions or whatever. It was extremely disturbing and really sad to see.
[Cooper:] And how many African-American members are at your fraternity right now?
[Skyes:] We have about a 42 man chapter. There's about four of us that are African-American. We just graduated a couple of years ago. So we've had a few African-American members at our chapter. Our school, Delta State University in Cleveland, does a really good job of promoting diversity among this Greek organizations and we have a really great Greek system there.
[Cooper:] And was there ever any concern on your part when you were thinking about joining SAE or rushing it, I guess as you call it, you know, on the web site about them being based on, you know, founded in the south and how many members fought with the confederacy. Was there any concern on your part?
[Skyes:] Never. And that's mainly and solely because of the people that were already in the organization. I met them and they were just outstanding gentlemen and it was absolutely something I wanted to be a part of. The true gentlemen spells out everything I want to be as a man in life and so there was never any concern about that on my end.
[Cooper:] About being a true gentleman, something SAE talks about in their fraternities. Naomi, I know your group OU unheard hasn't had time to discuss the expulsions. But you, personally, do you think the university president has done enough?
[Naomi Kadira, Co-director , Ou Unheard On Campus:] I wouldn't say it's enough but we definitely are standing behind our president's decision and we are very grateful that he's moving swiftly and not taking this situation lightly.
[Cooper:] And I know, Naomi, it's important for you that the conversation doesn't end with these expulsions. What do you think need to happen next on your campus?
[Kadira:] For us, as Unheard, I know we're not really focusing on expulsion or any punishment. We want this to be a learning moment for not just SAE, but for organizations across campus, even nationally. We're so glad this thing has gained national attention because this can be the change. It can start change and really just bring people's attention and allow people to notice these things are happening. People aren't making this up when they say we are facing micro- aggression on campus or in the city or anywhere else.
[Cooper:] It's interesting, Naomi. Because when you look at statistics and polls, often you have African-Americans in this country saying, you know, this is a conversation we need to have more of and oftentimes, you, Caucasian Americans in polls say, you know what, this isn't something we need to be talking about quite so much. You're saying, this is actually a good thing it's become part of a national discussion.
[Kadira:] Definitely. These things are happening. And for people, whether they be white, black, blue, or purple, who are experiencing them, it's easy to say this isn't happening. This isn't real. We're in post-racial America. But for people like myself and people representing the group unheard, this is happening. This is something we see every day. A lot of people if you ask, they'll say they weren't shocked this happened when they saw the video. They were not shocked. I heard that so much. And this is why. So I'm definitely glad this is a conversation that's now happening nationally.
[Cooper:] So Mikel, what would you say to the national organization about what needs to change if something needs to change? I mean, does there need to be more oversight, more effort to attract or to at least let people see the organization that you see and, I mean, does something need to change in this organization? Sorry, that was for Mikel. I'm sorry, Naomi Mikel?
[Skyes:] It really varies from chapter to chapter, you know. There's a lot of chapters I know of that promote diversity such as our chapter at Delta State. And, you know, there's a lot of chapters that may not. And an organization that's 15,000 undergraduates, you're going to have bad apples and it's really unfortunate when that happens. But, you know, I'm not necessarily sure of the best solution or the best, you know, way the national organization can go about fixing the problem. But I think the first step is recognizing that there is a problem and then, you know, brain storming different ideas on how to go about solving that.
[Cooper:] And Naomi, I will ask the same question to you. Do you believe the national organization has done enough?
[Kadira:] As far as doing enough, like I said, no. There definitely needs to be a teaching aspect of this. Punishment, OK. It will go so far. But if we don't teach and hone in on the issue of why it was wrong, it's not OK. It's not enough.
[Cooper:] Naomi Kadira, appreciate you being on and Mikel Skyes as well. Appreciate you talking to us about your experience. Thank you so much. We are going to have more on this in a moment. A quick reminder, make sure you see your DVR. You can watch "360" whenever you want. Coming up nest, taking up students for what they say, was that justified this time? Is it never justified, can university actually do that? What about the first amendment, the freedom of speech? Senior analyst Jeffrey Toobin and others join us next. Also later, Hillary Clinton ending the suspense about why she says she used a private email account the entire time she was secretary of state. The question now, will it end the controversy? Clinton biographer Carl Bernstein joins us.

[Baldwin:] Happy birthday, Mick Jagger, celebrating 70 today, the man who burst on the scene as a teenager, still going strong. Jagger is performing for audiences worldwide, singing "Start Me Up," other "Rolling Stones" classics. Entertainment correspondent Nischelle Turner has his story.
[Unidentified Male:] You think Mick Jagger will still be out there trying to be a rock star at age 50. You're sadly, sadly mistaken.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] That clip from "Almost Famous" was only off by 20 years and counting. Today, the legendary rock icon celebrates his 70th birthday.
[Unidentified Male:] Happy birthday, Mick. You know I love you.
[Turner:] While many septuagenarians have eased into retirement, the Rolling Stones recently capped off a grueling tour of the United States with three high-profile homecoming dates in the United Kingdom.
[Joe Levy, Billboard:] Seeing Jagger perform with the stones at this point is that he looks like a 20-year-old guy with the head of a 60- year-old surgically implanted.
[Turner:] Solo artists like BB King, Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan continue to tour into their 70s and 80s. But Jagger along with 71- year-old Paul McCartney is blazing a trail for rock "n" roll front men.
[Mick Jagger, Singer, The Rolling Stones:] They're all entertainers, a huge longevity like Frank Sinatra and others, but there wasn't bands that have been 50 years. There's already a role model for that. Good or bad role model, I can't tell you.
[Turner:] In 2003, Mick Jagger celebrated bad boy became Sir Michael Jagger when he was knighted for his services to music.
[Levy:] Jagger at 20 was a counter cultural figure and something of a revolutionary artistically and politically. Jagger at 70 is a member of the establishment.
[Turner:] Although he's a grandfather four times over, his charisma remains as timeless as his music. That's even made him a favorite guest on "Saturday Night Live."
[Unidentified Male:] All right, I've got a great idea. Why don't you go out and do the rooster.
[Levy:] The Stones in the 1960s and in the '70s embodied a fantasy for their audience that you could live any way you wanted to. But now they embody a very different kind of fantasy, for their audience. You can keep going at 70. You cannot only be alive, but you can keep doing what you love.
[Turner:] Nischelle Turner, CNN, New York.
[Baldwin:] Coming up, O.J. Simpson asked a parole board to let him out of jail early and the whole thing is on camera. Hear why he says he shouldn't have to finish his sentence. Plus two women run to rescue a driver involved in a traffic accident, but died while doing so. Now the driver is facing charges in connection with their deaths. We're on the case.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer. It's 1:00 p.m. here in Washington, 7:00 p.m. in Berlin, 8:00 p.m. in Irbil and 9:30 p.m. in Tehran. Wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. We start with a swirl of activity surrounding Iran and the United States. Right now, two more U.S. warships, they've joined others off Yemen's coast, waiting for Iranian ships that may be carrying weapons intended for rebel fighters in Yemen. This while negotiators resume talks on Iran's nuclear program. Iran wants immediate cessation of sanctions an idea the United States may be, repeat, may be closer to accepting. But the Obama administration is also calling Iran's judiciary absurd after they leveled espionage charges against an American journalist held there. Last week, the Iraqi prime minister was here in Washington. While asking for more money and weapons to fight ISIS, Haider Al Abadi sided with Iran saying that the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen was pushing the region closer to a greater war. But that hasn't stopped the United States from taking a larger role in the Arab coalition with nine U.S. warships now settled off the coast of Yemen. Here with me is our Chief National Security Correspondent Jim Sciutto. Jim, it sets the stage for what I call compartmentalization.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] Negotiations in Vienna over the nuclear deal while, at the same time, the potential for some sort of confrontation between the U.S. and Iranian warships off the coast of Yemen.
[Sciutto:] Well, the circumstances are certainly tense and dangerous. But let's say this, the principle mission of those U.S. warships now is because of the deterioration of the situation in Yemen. It gives the president military options, counterterror options off the deck of an aircraft carrier inside Yemen if he would decide to strike. In addition to that, they are monitoring these nine Iranian ships for the possibility that they go into Yemeni territorial waters, and they would be, theoretically, prepared to board them. But, frankly, and I've talked to a lot of defense officials about this, that would be an extraordinary scenario, to have a U.S. ship boarding blocking and boarding an Iranian ship. There are other options. You have allied ships in the area, the Saudis, Egyptians who are part of this flotilla watching the Iranians. And, to be frank, there are other options for the president down the line. If this ship if those Iranian ships are indeed carrying weapons they're not certain. The satellite photographs show containers. They're not certain they have weapons. But if they are, once the weapons go ashore, you have other options, opportunities to destroy them, interdict them, et cetera. So, I think what you're seeing now is a show of force by the U.S. in a very tense situation. The U.S. has made its position clear on Iran arming the Houthi rebels. But I would say, based on the conversations I'm having, that it's extremely unlikely that you would have a U.S. naval personnel forcibly boarding an Iranian ship.
[Blitzer:] Because the argument has been made, and it's an international legal argument, the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution saying you can't arm the Houthi rebels, the Shiite-led Iran-backed Houthi rebels. So, it's one thing for Iranian ships to be transporting arms in international waters, but once they get into Yemeni water, sovereign waters, territorial waters of Yemen, technically, there is an international legal authority to go ahead and inspect those ships.
[Sciutto:] Absolutely. And you'll notice, in statements from U.S. officials and others in the region, they have mentioned those very U.N. Security Council resolutions as a kind of public reminder, a marker to the Iranians, one, that we're watching. We've got our ships there. And two, we consider that U.N. resolution enforceable. Now, making the step where you use, in effect, the forcible boarding to enforce that, that's a really risky move. It's not a move that U.S. decided to make but you have assets in that region out to monitor.
[Blitzer:] It's a serious situation, a tense situation. And it's not just U.S. warships. As you say, Saudi warships and there are Egyptian warships, UAE warships that are also in the region. The potential is there.
[Sciutto:] Absolutely. And we don't control what they do, necessarily. We're allies but we can't tell them not to if they were to make that decision.
[Blitzer:] And no love between the Saudis, for example, and the Iranians, as we all know.
[Sciutto:] Exactly.
[Blitzer:] All Right, Jim Sciutto, thanks very much. As Yemen descends further into chaos, the escape route for many people trapped there has closed. The International Organization for Migration had been running emergency flights out of Yemen's capital, but now they, too, are considered too dangerous. Our Fred Pleitgen, meanwhile, has more on Yemen and what role Iran says they are playing there.
[Fred Pleitgen, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Escalating violence on the ground in Yemen. But there may be an even more dangerous confrontation brewing at sea. While the U.S. has sent warships to the area to intercept Iranian vessels that might make a run for Yemen's waters, the commander of Iran's navy tells me his forces have no such intentions.
[Habbollah Sayyan, Commander, Iran Regular Navy:] We don't let anyone gives us warnings or threats, he says, because we are working according to international law and regulations, and we work for the security of our country and other countries.
[Pleitgen:] The U.N. passed a resolution placing an arms embargo on the Houthi rebels that have taken control of much of Yemen. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. accuse Iran of supplying the Houthis with weapons. But Iran says its ships are just in the area to fight piracy.
[Sayyan:] We've established a presence in that area to protect our oil tankers and other Iranian ships. And, up to today, we've been very successful and, in some instances, other countries have even asked us for help.
[Pleitgen:] The Iranians heavily criticize Saudi Arabia's air campaign against the Houthis but say they will only provide food and medical assistance. Workers loading supplies at this warehouse in Tehran slated to go to Yemen.
[Unidentified Male:] And this one is
[Pleitgen:] So, it's mostly pain relievers.
[Unidentified Male:] Pain, antibody serum.
[Pleitgen:] The Iranian Red Crescent tells us they've not been able to make any shipments to Yemen since late March, but officials want to resume deliveries as fast as possible. [on camera]: Iran maintains that any aid it sends to Yemen is purely humanitarian. Now, this shipment is supposed to go out today but with the fighting going on in Yemen it's unclear when or if it will reach its destination. [voice-over]: While Iran and world powers continue to negotiate towards a final nuclear agreement, in other matters, like the Yemen conflict, tensions between Tehran and Washington continue to grow.
[Blitzer:] Let's bring in Fred Pleitgen. He's joining us live from Tehran in Iran right now. Fred, over the weekend, as you know, Ayatollah Hamani said this, he said, the threat to the region, in his words, is, quote, "America itself with its unrestrained destabilizing interventions" and said the other side was, quote, "methodically and shamelessly threatening us militarily." Is that the tone you've been hearing there from officials, government, military leaders on the ground in Iran?
[Pleitgen:] Well, it certainly has been, Wolf. But there is also that element of what you were talking about before, that compartmentalization. You know, I came here on Saturday and that was the day that the Iranians here celebrated their National Army Day parade. And during that time, you did have banners going around saying, death to America. You had President Hassan Rouhani giving a speech saying that he believed that the Iranian military was the stabilizing force, not only for Iran itself but for the entire region. They praised what they were doing in Iraq. They were senior military leaders here who normally never speak to western media who told me that they believe it's their strategy that is winning in Iraq rather than the one that the that the Americans are following. So, certainly, there is an element where they clearly say they believe that America isn't a threat to them. They clearly celebrate their military and its readiness. But on the same time, and this is so interesting, they also say they want negotiations, especially if you talk to members of the Rouhani government. I spoke to the vice president just yesterday and she told me, of course they want to deal. Of course they want to make a deal happen but she also acknowledged that there were forces here who were more conservative who, of course, are more difficult to persuade in such a thing Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Fred Pleitgen reporting live from Tehran for us. We'll stay in very close touch with you over these next several days. Thank you. Up next, much more on the rising tensions between the United States and Iran, as American warships stand guard over Yemen's coast. Plus, at 93, he's one of the few former Nazi SS Guards still alive. The accountant who kept the books at Auschwitz finally stands trial. The horrifying allegations against him, his defense, all that and as lot more coming up.

[Trey Brown:] I used to like cry myself to sleep every night. That was really hard.
[Unidentified Female:] Every day, Trey struggled with headaches so severe, his parents say he was suicidal. And traditional medication wasn`t working. The Browns brought cannabis oil back home.
[Trey Brown:] I felt better, all huh. The pain went away.
[Unidentified Female:] When authorities learned Angela was giving Trey cannabis drops, they charged her with two misdemeanors, including child endangerment. The prosecutor`s version of this is that a good mom allows her child to be in pain to self-harm and to attempt to take his life. I guess that`s a good mom in his eye.
[Pinsky:] Back with Sam and our behavior bureau, Judy, Evy and Leeann. Tonight, we have a poll. Should a mom be charged with a crime for having given her son medical marijuana? Effectively, go hln.com for slash Dr. Drew right now. Vote on our poll. We will reveal the results in our after-show on Facebook. You see what`s going on there right now. You guys are pretty clear in your opinions. Evy, what she did was illegal. But the question is, should she be punished?
[Poumpouras:] I think this mother should go get herself a very good defense attorney and this defense attorney should protect her and try to defend her at all costs. It makes me sad to see that she could possibly get two years when other individuals, serious criminals.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Poumpouras:] Who intentionally offend and commit crimes, don`t sometimes go walk away with probation. Absolutely, this is very difficult thing to see. I understand she broke the law, but there are times where as human beings we have to look at the law and say what`s wrong with this law.
[Pinsky:] And then Leeann, should spend that money with the defense attorneys? Come on now.
[Tweeden:] Well, hopefully somebody will do that pro bono for her because this is such a big case.
[Pinsky:] Please.
[Tweeden:] Someone is. Someone is.
[Pinsky:] OK. Sam, tell me. Tell me.
[Schacher:] Well, I don`t know very much information, just that I know that somebody that`s pro-marijuana legalization attorney.
[Pinsky:] Well, I`ll tell you what.
[Schacher:] . is representing her pro bono.
[Pinsky:] I will only put that person certainly on our website and talk to him, maybe even on the show by producers. But Judy, go ahead.
[Ho:] Well, I was just saying, Dr. Drew, that this is one of those complex moral dilemmas they actually give you in school when you`re learning about how to make decisions and how to actually think morally. And it`s that story of, a mother who, you know, runs into the pharmacy after hours and steals the medication because she doesn`t have money for it just so she can cure her child, is that right or wrong thing to do? And I would hope that our society and people in general would actually see this as, you know what, this is a complex moral dilemma where she was trying to help her child. Instead of attributing that intention to something where she would actually harm her child.
[Tweeden:] And Dr. Drew, you know, she said that a doctor had told her about the cannabis oil.
[Pinsky:] Yeah.
[Tweeden:] Could he be held responsible or could he maybe help defend her in court?
[Pinsky:] Let`s get some of those details. I`ve got Trey`s mother on the phone, Angela Brown and as well as her attorney, Michael Hughes. Now, Angela, the law enforcement has taken the cannabis oil away, my understanding is. How is Trey doing without it?
[Angela Brown, Mom Charged For Giving Som Medical Marijuana:] He`s not doing well.
[Pinsky:] Yeah.
[Angela Brown:] He`s not.
[Pinsky:] All right. And I only want to know, I`m just getting so angry about this. I`m so sorry. I`m sorry that people will not put the patient first. I don`t understand. I do not understand that. It just makes me crawl out of my skin. Was it is there a physician advising you? In other words, the only thing that bothers me about what you did is that you`re sort of playing doctor. Is there somebody serving that role for you?
[Angela Brown:] I had suggestions from a couple of doctors that we try it. So no, I didn`t just go into a back alley and buy marijuana.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Angela Brown:] And researched it by the bed. I had the suggestion from a doctor. But because the two states where my son doctors it was illegal at the time, so, no, of course not, they can`t just write a prescription and say, you know
[Pinsky:] And to get things to make this crazier, it`s going to be legal in 2015 in your state, right?
[Angela Brown:] Yes.
[Pinsky:] So you are going to and now magically it`s a bad drug, and soon it`s going to be a good drug. Our thinking on this is so weird and draconian.
[Schacher:] It is.
[Pinsky:] And it makes people suffer. Oh, we could but I`m sure they offer you good drugs like opiate pain medication, right?
[Angela Brown:] But the problem was, is that the medications he was on, caused him harm. And that`s what led us to the desperation of seeking out medicinal cannabis.
[Pinsky:] Why should that be a desperation? That shouldn`t be a desperate move. That should be an move, it`s like we`re going to find a treatment that works for him. It`s an option. Did you contemplate any of the other anti-seizure
[Angela Brown:] Trey has been on many, many
[Pinsky:] No, no, of cannabis. But listen, Angela, there are anti-seizure components of cannabis. Did you go after any of those, like try to get any of the research protocols that are under way, anything like that?
[Angela Brown:] It`s really hard to understand you, because you are on my phone, but we what we did, because we live in a state where it`s not legal, so it`s hard to just and we have limited funds, so it wasn`t like I could just go to Oregon and get him into a study or spend weeks and weeks in Colorado trying to figure things out. We had to do the research that we could at home, and then we literally just fell into these amazingly kind, loving people in Colorado that helped us out.
[Pinsky:] Sam.
[Angela Brown:] And helped us along the way.
[Pinsky:] Sam, what is the reaction like on social media? On Facebook page?
[Schacher:] It`s varied, Dr. Drew. So I have from Antonio, "If I did that I would be charged, no excuse to break the law." From Anjelica, "He needed a medical marijuana card from the doctor, so the law is the law. Next time she should be smarter about what she is doing."
[Pinsky:] So, they`re sort of negative.
[Schacher:] It switches. From Debbie, "If it`s against the law, duh." From Daniel, "This is ridiculous. Moms are being treated like criminals for trying to make their children pain free." Nurse Amy, "Hell, no, she shouldn`t she tried traditional medications, they didn`t work. As his mother, she took it to the next level to get some relief for her child, I do the same in a heartbeat. And finally from Erin, "Another stupid charge against a mother who obviously cares for her son, risking jail to help him. She should be commended in court, not charged." I agree.
[Pinsky:] Evy, do you get what I`m concerned about? That there`s this weird moralizing about treatment of medical illness. Why do we have to have a moralistic attitude about this? It`s bizarre.
[Poumpouras:] It`s because the situation here, she broke the law. And even though it`s going to be legal in the future, that`s what ex- post factor is. If the law whatever the law is at that time. So she intentionally made a decision to break the law and that`s the way they`re looking at it. And they`re probably maybe trying to set an example with her so that other people don`t do the same thing, because you have Colorado and these bordering states where there`s a lot of discontent amongst the people that cross the border, they go get drugs, they come back. So then it comes to the fact, it`s like so how many times are you going to excuse this, so to speak? But I do think that if they want to charge her, fine. But putting her in jail, having her serve a sentence just for trying to do the right thing, that`s where it starts to get ugly. That`s where you have to kind of on a moral level say you know what? At what point, fine, you want to punish her to a point, fine. But then you have to stop and think of it from a rational perspective, a moral perspective. She was trying to do the right thing.
[Pinsky:] Judy. Of course she was.
[Ho:] And if she gets sentenced and put in jail, then you`re taking her away from a son..
[Schacher:] Right.
[Ho:] That obviously needs her and is sick right now.
[Schacher:] A caregiver.
[Pinsky:] OK.
[Schacher:] So, that`s terrible.
[Pinsky:] It`s just It makes me sick. Angela, listen, I hope people are supporting you appropriately and I hope things turn out well. Are you optimistic about this?
[Angela Brown:] I am. I just feel that, you know, the negative people out there have never been in my shoes. They never had to hold their child down while he was trying to kill himself. So, until you`re in that place, you can`t say anything, you know? And I do have hope for the future, and it might not be here in this state. It might have to be in a state where it`s welcome to treat your child with medicinal cannabis.
[Pinsky:] The only warn I would give to you is that your son sounds like a complex case. And please.
[Angela Brown:] It is.
[Pinsky:] Yeah, please get proper physician followup.
[Angela Brown:] And he does have several doctors. Yes.
[Pinsky:] OK. Good.
[Angela Brown:] He does even have a doctor in Colorado.
[Pinsky:] OK.
[Angela Brown:] Yes. This was not our first route.
[Pinsky:] No, I understand I understand it.
[Angela Brown:] It`s not the first route.
[Pinsky:] I just I get it. The one thing I`ve always objected to with medical marijuana is when it becomes bad practice of medicine. Just make sure you get good people taking proper care and really being smart and thinking.
[Schacher:] Good luck, Angela.
[Pinsky:] Yeah, good luck, Angela.
[Angela Brown:] Everything that I`ve done.
[Pinsky:] I have no doubt. But we`ve got to go. Thank you for joining us. And again, we wish you luck. All right, next up, a quick update on Hannah Graham after this.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. The new Tom Hanks movie is getting rave reviews, but also taking some heat. "Captain Phillips" tells the real life story of the Maersk Alabama, a ship hijacked by Somali pirates in 2009. The captain was taken hostage, later hailed as a hero. Well, now, some of the crew members are speaking out saying the movie gets it all wrong. Drew Griffin is live at the CNN Center with that. Good morning, Drew.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Special Investigations Unit Reporter:] Good morning, Chris. And, you know, while that movie heads to theaters this week, several members of the captain's crew are getting ready to head to court. A case to be heard later this year alleging it was the captain himself who, far from the hero, actually may have led his crew directly into trouble. Allegations we first confronted Captain Phillips with while he was on a book tour in 2010.
[Griffin:] As their captain was being lauded as a hero, the crew of the Maersk Alabama watched and bit their tongues. No more.
[Mike Perry, Chief Engineer, Maersk Alabama:] We vowed we were going to take it to our grave. We weren't going to say anything. Then we hear this PR stuff coming out about him giving himself up and we said, and he's still on he's still a hostage. And we the whole crew is like, what? Because everybody's in shock.
[Griffin:] Back in 2010, the Alabama's chief engineer, Mike Perry, told us he and most of the crew couldn't believe the story being painted about their captain, Captain Richard Phillips, that he had given himself up in exchange for the safety of his crew. Left out of the entire story, says Perry, is the captain's recklessness that steered the Maersk Alabama into pirate-infested waters. According to crew members, Captain Phillips, on a voyage from Oman to Mombasa, Kenya, set a course to save money. That route would shorten the trip and, according to third engineer John Cornan, put the crew directly in harm's way.
[John Cornan, Third Engineering Officer, Maersk Alabama:] He was advised to change course by competent deck officers and he overruled them. Stay on course. Make our easy a. Stay on the same course.
[Griffin:] In a 2010 interview, Captain Richard Phillips told us he was not used to criticism. When CNN confronted him with these e-mails and his crews' concerns, he said it was the first time his judgment had been questioned. The complaint is that there were specific e-mails sent to your ship stressing the need to go further out to sea.
[Capt. Richard Phillips, Maersk Alabama:] Yes. So something like that, we will deal with that in the arena that they wish, and that's the court. That's what this is based on.
[Griffin:] Is it true?
[Phillips:] Umm, there are warnings put out I don't know what authorities he's talking about. He doesn't say.
[Griffin:] Well, I have the e-mails.
[Phillips:] Yes.
[Griffin:] You've seen the e-mails.
[Phillips:] I haven't since the e-mails since I've been on the ship.
[Griffin:] You got them, right? But you were warned to go further out to sea. The captain is now a witness in a contentious lawsuit between some of the crew and the shipping company. In a deposition just last year, Captain Phillips admitted he did indeed receive the e-mail warnings. He also admits he kept the warnings to himself. Asked by a plaintiff's attorney why he didn't move further offshore, Phillips testifies, "I don't believe 600 miles would make you safe. I didn't believe 1,200 miles would make you safe." Phillips told us much of the criticism is driven by human nature and by lawsuits filed by members of his crew. He also says the story itself was fueled by a press that wanted a hero, a captain who saved his crew, a good story and now a movie.
[Unidentified Male, Actor, "captain Phillips":] Four pirates on board. Four pirates.
[Phillips:] The media got everything wrong. I don't know how I could control this when I'm in a lifeboat and the media is saying I gave myself up for it. In the book, if you read it have you read that book?
[Griffin:] I did. I read it.
[Phillips:] So you know I didn't give myself up. I was already a hostage by then.
[Griffin:] To his credit, Chris and Kate, when we interviewed the captain, he said he never called himself nor considered himself a hero. The real heroes, he said, were the Navy SEALs that rescued him and his crew. That case goes to trial in December. Back to you.
[Cuomo:] Be no controversy about the SEALs. Hey, Drew, thank you very much for the reporting. Appreciate it. All right, how about a little "Good Stuff"? What do you think?
[Bolduan:] Please.
[Cuomo:] A little Tuesday edition. All right, here's what we have. When it comes to helping people, all it takes is a little bit of magic. Magician and YouTube fixture Stewart Edge was surprised to learn just how little pizza delivery drivers make. Well below minimum wage. Did you know that? Especially once you figure in they have to use their own car and all the expense that goes along with it. If they don't get decent tips, well, tough situation to say the least. So, Stewart came up with a new trick, turning a tip of five singles into five 20s. Needless to say, the drivers thought it was magical.
[Unidentified Male:] You made it work, so here you go, 20, 40, $100. That's awesome. Yes. It is pretty awesome. I'm tearing up. Oh, no, no, don't. I'm sure you can use it. Yes, definitely. Wait. Are you serious? Yes. It's not going to change back to ones on me when I'm driving home? Maybe it will change to hundreds. That would be cool. I feel like I owe you something now definitely. No, just you gave me the pizza.
[Cuomo:] He did get his pizza. He made sure of that. All of those tips come out of Stewart's own pocket. October is National Pizza Month. So remember your delivery drivers and tip them if you feel so suited.
[Pereira:] Dude eats a lot of pizza.
[Cuomo:] Right, he eats a lot of pizza, that's right.
[Bolduan:] And what's wrong with that?
[Cuomo:] He put on 45 pounds in the process, but it was for a good cause.
[Pereira:] That is so cool.
[Cuomo:] He you know, it's just a you've got to remember, there are a lot of people who are working today who aren't making a lot of money.
[Pereira:] Yes, that's true.
[Cuomo:] That's one of the things we talk about all the time. So the good stuff was recognizing that there are people out there working hard, not getting a lot for it. So, good on Stewart for doing it.
[Bolduan:] I had a favorite pizza guy in D.C. That's how much pizza I ordered, yes.
[Cuomo:] Did you tip him?
[Bolduan:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] The word is you're
[Bolduan:] What?
[Pereira:] Hey. Not
[Cuomo:] Michaela said it.
[Bolduan:] I knew your source was questionable.
[Pereira:] Here comes the bus.
[Cuomo:] That's exactly right.
[Pereira:] And now being thrown under it. Man.
[Cuomo:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] All right. Coming up next on NEW DAY, because now we're going to fight it out in the break, we spoke with Newt Gingrich earlier, but who better to get the word than his better half. Callista Gingrich will be joining us in just a few minutes to talk about her new children's book about the American Revolution.

[Unidentified Female:] A 16-year-old boy managed to smuggle himself into the wheel well of a jetliner.
[Unidentified Male:] And a teenager accused of sneaking out to a tarmac riding in the landing gear for five hours.
[Unidentified Female:] And flew multiple hours from San Jose, California, all the way to Maui.
[Unidentified Male:] How that young boy was able to survive at a high altitude for a long period of time. He was able to survive the trip halfway across the Pacific Ocean. Because of the altitude, you have minus 40 degrees C, around minus 80 degrees Fahrenheit. And being 38,000 feet up in the air. Very limited oxygen. He passed out and that, in fact, may have saved his life. Ground crews in Maui found him wandering on the tarmac dazed and confused. Anyone climbing up into it that isn`t familiar with it, who isn`t an engineer, as a stowaway, could be putting their hand on a hydraulic line or electric.
[Lake:] Welcome back, I`m Lauren Lake sitting in for Dr. Drew tonight. I`m here with Samantha Schacher. Now we`re talking about a 16-year-old who caught a flight from California to Hawaii by hiding under the landing gear. Now, look, here`s how we think he got on the plane. OK. You ready for this?
[Schacher:] Animation again.
[Lake:] A real good one. Right? Jumps the fence. Sneaks into the plane`s wheel well. You see him climbing in. Flies all the way to Hawaii, five hours, and is alive when the plane lands. But this is the best part. Guess what he had on him?
[Schacher:] What?
[Lake:] A hair brush.
[Schacher:] What?
[Lake:] That`s all he had on him?
[Schacher:] No wallet. Nothing else. No ID, no money, no passport a hairbrush?
[Lake:] When I land in Hawaii, child, I got to make sure my hair is laid, because I know the cameras are going to be what was he thinking? Now you got to look at this. Now on "AC360", Gary Tuchman, he re-enacted this. So you`ve got to see this part.
[Schacher:] Oh this is better than our animation, for sure.
[Lake:] Thank God for Gary. OK, Gary is going up.
[Schacher:] He`s struggling. Looks like it`s more difficult than I would imagine. Earlier I said that people were reporting that it`s not too difficult.
[Lake:] So I`m a little nerve because when I`m on the plane, it`s all sorts of people waving things all around. Why can`t anybody see him doing this?
[Schacher:] Right. You definitely security breach. That`s for sure. And look at all of the technology in there, all of the equipment in there. If you tamper with that, that can definitely jeopardize the flight of the plane. It could go down.
[Lake:] I mean, how can you even think you need to be up in there? Was it a suicide? I mean, was he going to die if he died and lived if he lived? What would you even what would possess you get inside a cavity like that?
[Schacher:] Right, it`s insane, it`s insane.
[Lake:] That`s a miracle.
[Schacher:] I can`t imagine.
[Lake:] OK, I got to bring back in, too, bring back my legal panel, Mark, Michelle, Loni and we have on the phone CNN correspondent Dan Simon. Dan, I have to ask you first, I want to know the latest on this, because this sounds insane when we`re just talking about it. What would possess this child OK, you run away from home, how about a friend`s house? How about a neighbor?
[Dan Simon, Cnn Correspondent:] It`s a great question. What he told the FBI is that he got into some kind of an argument with his family and, I don`t know, then just wandered to the airport. It`s pretty incredible on a few different levels, what you have here. You have the security issue with the boy hopping a fence at the airport and that raises a whole host of security concerns. If a kid could do it, then a terrorist could do it and could conceivably put a bomb in the wheel well.
[Schacher:] Right. How did he survive, though?
[Simon:] Well, you talk to medical experts and nobody can give you a definitive reason, but this is a little scientific, but one medical expert we spoke with says what probably happened is that his body temperature dropped to the point where he didn`t need much oxygen, almost like a bear in hibernation is the analogy they gave.
[Schacher:] What? What?
[Simon:] So he was unconscious during the flight. We know that. And what`s also incredible is the plane lands and he`s still unconscious for approximately an hour. And at a certain point he just sort of woke up and climbed out of the wheel well. That`s when he was confronted, of course.
[Lake:] This is incredible. Michelle, go ahead. I see you waving your hand. Jump in.
[Fields:] I`ve got a question. When I heard this story, and I think when a lot of people read this story, their initial reaction was "I don`t believe this." Are the authorities showing any skepticism to his story? Or are they just buying it, they`re saying that`s absolutely true?
[Lake:] That`s a great question. That`s a great question. Dan, are people saying this is impossible, unbelievable?
[Simon:] The FBI says it happened. And they`re basing that on two things. One, on the credibility of the kid. They interrogated him, essentially, and they say he`s credible. But number two, they apparently have video surveillance of him at the San Jose airport hopping over this fence.
[Lake:] Wow. Wait, Mark, I want you to jump in here. Because what does this say about security at the airport? What do you think about this?
[Eiglarsh:] Well, here`s what I think on a personal level, OK? When I travel, they make me throw away from my personal carry-on my expensive hair products because it`s an ounce or so over what they deem as safe.
[Lake:] Right.
[Eiglarsh:] Yet a teenager, or a terrorist for that matter, has unbridled access to a crowded airline.
[Schacher:] Mark, do they have you throw away your shaving cream, too?
[Lake:] You know what, Mark`s not lying.
[Schacher:] I like it. I like the scruff.
[Lake:] Mark`s not lying because I`m still a little bit bitter. Last night I had to throw away my hummus. I`m like, do you know how hungry we are on these planes?
[Eiglarsh:] Well, Lauren, hummus is the food of terrorists. That could be a problem. That`s a problem.
[Lake:] This is absolutely insane. Look, this boy, he hasn`t been charged with a crime. Look, I got to say, I think we need to start charging people. This is so scary and such a security breach. And who knows, what if he would have touched something, dislodged something? People`s lives were at risk. I don`t think we should talk this lightly. Loni, what do you think?
[Coombs:] Well, yes. A lot of people are saying we need to send out a message of deterrence so other kids don`t do this. But I think we`re also hearing that the fact he even survived this is pretty much a miracle. My understanding is there`s video of him getting on. They also have video of him coming out in Maui, so they`re saying, OK, he must have done it. But even the fact his body was able to go into this hibernation, another kid did this just flying from Charlotte, North Carolina, to Boston, and he died. And another person did it, he fell out of the wheel well when it opened and died. And this kid was unconscious when they landed.
[Lake:] I got to let Michelle get the last word. Go ahead, Michelle.
[Fields:] I think it`s also important to figure out what this child was running away from. I mean, for you to do something like this, you had to run away from something very extreme. So authorities need to figure out what that is and they need to get this boy some help.
[Lake:] Well, I have a tip. Next time you`re running away from something, run to somewhere where you know where you`re going. There`s no telling where this plane could have gone. I mean, really. All right. Next, a couple is married for 56 years until he shoots her for nagging. A family member joins us exclusively. And later, a judge unloads on a convicted killer. It`s the viral video you`ve got to see. More after this.

[Costello:] Benjamin Netanyahu is likely putting the finishing touches on his address before Congress next week. But the frigid Washington weather only marks the beginning of the chilly reception awaiting him. Neither the president nor the vice president will meet with Netanyahu while he's here in this country. The secretary of state is also sitting out of the visit. Both Biden and Kerry say they're traveling. The National Security Adviser Susan Rice and U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power are speaking at the same pro-Israel conference as Netanyahu this weekend, but they won't be meeting with the Israeli prime minister either. That might be a good thing considering what Susan Rice said considering what Susan Rice said about Netanyahu's visit earlier this week.
[Susan Rice, National Security Adviser:] On both sides there has now been injected a degree of partisanship, which is not only unfortunate, I think it's it's destructive of the fabric of the relationship.
[Costello:] CNN global affairs correspondent Elise Labott is following the story from Jerusalem. Hi, Elise.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Global Affairs Correspondent:] Hi, Carol. Well, certainly you thought it couldn't get any worse, this bad blood between the White House and the prime minister. But it gets continues to get ugly and the jobs ever more personal and sharper. But Prime Minister Netanyahu is coming. He'll be addressing a joint session of Congress on Tuesday, and AIDS say that he understands there's a politically fraught tone to this visit but he's trying to, if you will, creating a new word, departisanize this visit. He won't be meeting with any Democrats, any Republican separately. He will be, after that speech, addressing just a small group of bipartisan senators, Carol.
[Costello:] So, I'm just curious. Israel's election is just two weeks away. What do Netanyahu's chances look like?
[Labott:] Well, he's kind of in a neck-in-neck race with the labor candidate, Isaac Herzog. There are a lot of undecideds. And the question, is this visit really affecting his chances? And it doesn't seem to be because Israelis are really split on whether they should go, about 43 percent either way saying he should go or he shouldn't go. Those supporters of Netanyahu think it's a good idea for him to go and speak up about Iran which is a very important issue to Israelis. Those that don't support him feel he's damaging the U.S.Israeli relationship. You know, Prime Minister Netanyahu's security is his big issue. Iran is his big issue. So, the more he keeps the Iran issue and security in the forefront of the campaign, the better it is for him, Carol, because that's where he polls the strongest. And it deflects on the weaker areas where he doesn't poll well.
[Costello:] So, it is true that Netanyahu's address before Congress is actually helping him back home, right?
[Labott:] Well, I think it depends how the visit goes. If he gets a rousing reception as he has many times in his addresses before Congress, certainly he goes back and he's able to say, I did the right thing. If it doesn't go so well and there are a lot of empty seats in that chamber as many Democratic senators have been threatening, it might put a little bit of a dent in his numbers. But it doesn't seem to be the big issue that Israelis at least say that they're voting on, Carol. You know, housing prices, food prices, very high here. The economy seems to be one of the things people are most talking about, but when they go to the polls, a lot of people think when they get in that booth to make their vote that security is in the forefront of their mind and that's an area where Prime Minister Netanyahu is trusting over his other opponents to protect Israel against Iran. I might add that President Obama does not poll so well in Israel when it comes to the issue of Iran. Three in four Israelis do not trust President Obama to protect Israel when it comes to Iran, Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Elise Labott, reporting live for us from Jerusalem. Thanks so much. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, critics slam Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker for comments he made at CPAC. Up next, why Governor Walker says his comments are being misconstrued.

[Cooper:] More developments in the capture of Eric Frein in a moment. But late developments tonight on Ebola and the escalating standoff between Maine's governor and Kaci Hickox, the Ebola fighting nurse who battled quarantine measures in New Jersey. And one is now doing the same back home in rural northern Maine. This morning, Hickox and her boyfriend hit wheel went for a bike ride, breaking her quarantine. And why not, she says, she is not ill and is twice now tested negative for Ebola. Reporters clearly didn't mind getting close to her. Countless public health experts say she poses no threat whatsoever to the community, and late today after negotiations between her attorneys and state officials over altering the quarantine broke down, Maine's Governor Republican Paul LePage took a hard line.
[Gov. Paul Lepage  Maine:] I don't want her within three feet of anybody.
[Unidentified Male:] What happens if she does? Is there any legal ramifications that....
[Lepage:] Let's put it this way. I'm going to use the legal provisions to the fullest extent that the law allows me.
[Cooper:] Unclear exactly what that means. He also said that Ms. Hickox could come out of her house, and that it would sound like a veiled threats in quote, "We can't protect her when she does that." Which is confusing, because right after that he says that the state troopers outside her house where there precisely to protect her, so why that protection would vanish when she walks out the door is unclear, and in any case, protection from whom? Late today, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the federal CDC officials had been in touch with their main counterparts, but that President Obama who was actually in Maine today campaigning for Governor LePage's opponent, would not get directly involved in the case. The president, said Earnest, believes that this is Maine's decision to make, but hopes it will be made on the scientific merits. More on the science and the politics in a moment. First, the local reaction from Alexandra Field.
[Catherine Jandreau, Local Business Owner:] This is a small community, and if one person gets sick, you know, everybody gets sick right away. And I think that is the big thing, it's just fear.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Fort Kent, Maine, may be a small town but there is no shortages of opinions on Kaci Hickox and the state's quarantine.
[Solenge Bard:] She should go on quarantine, because it scares me. It scares people. Being affected by it.
[Unidentified Female:] It is only transferable by bodily fluids, I guess we don't really have anything to worry about if we don't come in contact with her.
[Field:] These four tenths of pretty quiet town are just 4,000 people here, this is a logging community. It sits on Maine's border with Canada. But the low-key atmosphere here all changed on Monday, that's when Nurse Kaci Hickox came home.
[Kaci Hickox:] And I'm so thankful to be home with my partner, Dad.
[Field:] The pizza shop owner Becky Lawn says she is not sure what she would do if Hickox came into her restaurant. But she is backing Hickox, and is, in fact, proud of her decision to defy the state's request.
[Becky Lawn, Local Business Owner:] Fort Kent has a very small, neat community, very family oriented, and I think she has got a lot of support here.
[Field:] Both support and criticism.
[Jim Majka, Neighbor Of Kaci Hickox:] We don't need this here. It is a simple thing. Stay in the quarantine until it is over and we're good.
[Jandreau:] I don't want to bring it home. I'm sorry, but I think she should know better, because she is a nurse, a health professional.
[Field:] A reaction some people believe is simply driven by the unknown.
[April Hafford, Works In Fort Kent:] I think it is an overreaction in a way. I mean, you know, people are scared of what they don't know about.
[Cooper:] And we should point out again, Alexandra, Kaci Hickox does not have Ebola, she has not tested possible for Ebola, she's therefore not contagious at all. Alexandra joins us now. So, I understand Kaci's boyfriend spoke out just a short time ago. What did he say tonight?
[Field:] Yes, he came out here and talk to reporters and addressed a couple of issues. First of all, he talked about what they are doing inside, eating pizza, watching "The Avengers," if you are wondering. He also talked about the frustration that this quarantine he says he's missing his classes at the university. He has to call in and listen by phone. And he did talk about that much disgust bike ride, he says that he and Kaci are members of this community. They stayed on the trails, they didn't go into town, they didn't'go to stores, they didn't go talking to people. He says they don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable, but they also don't believe that they can in any way make anyone sick. Anderson, what he didn't talk about was the legal threats from the governor or what the response from Kaci could be.
[Cooper:] So, he is not allowed to go to his school by school authorities?
[Field:] That is right. He says that this has been explained to him as a voluntary quarantine. But at the same time he is telling us the university is telling him that he can't be in class. So the question of this word voluntary certainly comes up. It's something they've both been experiencing. For now, he says he is being told that he can turn in his assignments next month, follow along on the phone, I guess, is best he can, but it's not an ideal situation for him.
[Cooper:] Alexandra Field, I appreciate the update. Thanks. Up next, late details on the capture of Eric Frein and the CNN exclusive Ferguson, Missouri's police chief on reports that he'll be forced out to resign and more.
[Unidentified Male:] Where does it stand? Are you going to resign?
[Thomas Jackson, Ferguson, Missouri Police Chief:] No, I'm going to stay and see this through.

[John Defterios:] This week on MARKETPLACE MIDDLE EAST, we're in Dubai, already a shopper's paradise. We'll take a look at the plans to place the city among the fashion capitals of the world. And we look at why a 300-year-old British luxury retailer chose Dubai as the place to open its first-ever shop abroad. Welcome to MARKETPLACE MIDDLE EAST, this week from Dubai. The emirate is home to some of the busiest shopping malls in the world, including this one here, the Mall of the Emirates. Little wonder, then, that it's the second-most popular destination for retailers on the planet. Now, Dubai wants to go a step further by building an industry around its local talents. Leone Lakhani has the story.
[Leone Lakhani, Cnn International Correspondent:] This is Fashion Forward, a semi-annual event to promote the Middle East's emerging fashion industry. For the past year, design brands like Amato are drawing crowds. Aside from shows, pop-up shops tout the region's accessory makers, and fashion leaders hold discussion forums. The event launched just last April, but its founder has grand ambitions.
[Bong Guerrero, Founder And Chairman, Fashion Forward:] I would like to truly have our own fashion heroes. I think every market deserves to have their own point of differentiation. With a global immersion of power brands, where every mall almost looks the same, you really need to have your own homegrown brand.
[Lakhani:] Homegrown brands, like Dubai's very own Zareena line. The real test is whether these creations will make it off the runways here and into stores around the world. It's a lucrative market. The luxury fashion and design sectors are worth more than $14 billion across the Gulf region, according to the consultants Bain and Company. Big business and still just a portion of the global markets. To tap into that, industry experts like Fern Mallis, the creator of New York Fashion Week, say the region has to set itself apart.
[Fern Mallis, Creator, New York Fashion Week:] There's a lot of talent around the world. But everybody's looking for something new. Even buyers in New York and in Paris, they're all looking for something new that nobody else has.
[Lakhani:] But emerging talents, like Arwa Alammari from Saudi Arabia, who's just completed her second Fashion Forward collection, say designers like her need guidance to succeed.
[Arwa Alammari, Fashion Designer, Aram:] For a new designer, they need appropriate education so they'll be able to understand the concept behind fashion. Because fashion cannot be taken as a hobby. It has to be taken seriously.
[Lakhani:] Fostering a creative outlet is part of a longterm strategy that aims to turn Dubai into a global fashion capital by 2020. To support it, the government's creating an entire zone dedicated to design. It's called D3, or Dubai Design District. It'll include commercial areas, manufacturing facilities, and work spaces for artists and designers. The woman at the helm of the project says it'll be an ecosystem to create jobs and nurture the region's talents.
[Amina Alrustamani, Group Ceo, Tecom Investments:] Education is important. It's whatever we do is not only to attract talent from the region, which and I believe the region is very really rich with talent in the design and creative sector, but also to have the right base and infrastructure to also develop talent.
[Lakhani:] Building upon the city's successful retail sector, where sales are expected to reach $41 billion in 2015. D3 is just minutes from the city's tourist mecca, the world's tallest building, the Burj Khalifa, which towers over one of the world's largest shopping malls and its 75 million visitors each year.
[Alrustamani:] We are very strong in attracting brands here, but I believe also we are also ready and have the right opportunity to also develop global brands from Dubai.
[Lakhani:] And take designs from these catwalks worldwide.
[Defterios:] With the UAE fashion and luxury market valued at over $6 billion, it's no surprise to see that the global designers have a presence within the country. But there's a Dubai-based designer who has his own following amongst the global celebrity elite. Here's a special look inside his studio.
[Furne One, Disigner And Owner, Amato:] My name is Funre One. I'm from Cebu, Philippines. I started designing when I was, like, around 15 years old. And then I joined this competition. I won the competition, the Mega Young Designer of the Philippines Award, and then my prize was to go to Paris and to go to New York to apprentice with Josie Natori. We started the label Amato 2002. Amato means beloved, because we started for bridal. And then we ended up, like bridal, doing also party dresses. This collection is the Circus of Good and Evil collection. It's all threading thread work with acrylic and all laser-cutting organza. For a simple party dress, we start $5,000 US to $10,000. We started Amato with a very small group, less than 10, and now we're 90 to 100. This one is like the big work department. This one, they're making all the bead works. And this one is doing all the machines, like this is the machine embroiderers, and we have here the tailors. We're catering mostly with local ladies here, actually in this region, the Middle East and the Gulf. And we have lots of clients, also, from Russia and the US and also Europe. This one, Katy Perry wore this one in the MTV Music Awards. Dressing of celebrities is a dream. It all started with Katy Perry. The management told us that they wanted us to do the tour. So, we did the tour, the California Dream tour, we did the outfits. So, it's opened doors. Shakira wore this one in the Grammys. And then I started designing Nicki Minaj video, Beyonce's tour. But now, what's the plan is to bring Amato to another level. To bring Amato to be more international, like a brand, not just a tailoring shop.
[Defterios:] The life and times of the Dubai-based designer Amato. Well, from a homegrown brand to one of the most prestigious in London making its Dubai debut. When we come back, we visit the new Fortnum & Mason shop in Dubai, selling its famous English teatime treats for the first time in a shop outside of the UK.

[Banfield:] Gold medal skier Bode Miller burned up the slopes in the 2010 Olympics, but his relationship with the mother of his 9-month-old child is as cold as the snow itself. Their bitter custody fight continues in court today, and it has some pretty important implications for the rights of pregnant women right across the country. CNN's Zoraida Sambolin has the story.
[Zoraida Sambolin, Cnn Correspondent:] Conceived in California and born in New York City, this baby boy, now 9-months-old, seen in this photo, is at the heart of a high-profile, bicoastal custody battle. His father, Olympic skier and gold medalist Bode Miller, briefly dated this woman, Sara McKenna in California. McKenna became pregnant and decided to keep the baby, despite her relationship with Miller turning sour. After extending Miller an invitation to the ultrasound, which McKenna later shared on Facebook, he sent her this text. "You made this choice against my wish and gave my no say. You are going to do this on your own." At seven months pregnant, the former Marine and firefighter moved to New York City to study at Columbia University. She spoke to CNN's Ashleigh Banfield in June.
[Sara Mckenna, Fighting For Custody Of Son:] He never actually wanted very much to do with my son. And he initially asked if he could sign over his rights, and he would pay off his child support in a lump sum.
[Sambolin:] Instead, Miller filed for custody. Concerned that McKenna was fleeing California for a more sympathetic venue to gain custody herself, he requested she return to California. In May, a New York judge agreed, saying, while McKenna did not abduct the child, her appropriation of the child while in utero was irresponsible, reprehensible. Custody was granted to Miller. The ruling raised questions about the rights of mothers-to-be.
[Kenneth Eiges, Sara Mckenna's Attorney:] Whether or not the proceeding was started in California or not, it makes no difference. New York is clearly the home state, and this state is where the case should be heard.
[Sambolin:] This month, a New York appeals panel reversed the controversial ruling. Family court will resume today to re-examine parental custody of this baby boy.
[Banfield:] Again, CNN's Zoraida Sambolin, reporting for us. And joining me are criminal defense attorneys Joey Jackson and Heather Hansen. And, trust me, even during that report from Zoraida, you and I were having a big argument.
[Joey Jackson, Criminal Defense Attorney:] A discussion.
[Banfield:] I know. I think this is the argument that's playing out across the country right now. What? How is this happening? But let's make it really simple for everyone. There's the issue of jurisdiction. Where do you fight the custody battle, New York or California? And then there's the issue of the custody itself. So, Heather, start with me, why was jurisdiction an issue when that baby was not born yet? Can't you go where you want when you're pregnant?
[Heather Hansen, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Well, you should be able to go where you want, and ultimately, that's what the appeals court said. You can go where you want when you're pregnant. But Bode Miller had filed for paternity recognition in California.
[Banfield:] Because that's paternity. Let's just be clear. Not custody. Just, I want to know if I'm the daddy.
[Hansen:] That's right, Ashleigh. But once you've opened that door in California, arguably, jurisdiction is now in California, and you cannot switch it to New York without good reason.
[Banfield:] Sorry. Jurisdiction for custody? Even though that issue was paternity? They're
[Hansen:] Sure. They're both family court decisions, made by family court judges, probably the same judge. And, so, once the case has been started in one jurisdiction, you can't just pick up and move it no another jurisdiction, in general. Here, as we've seen, the mother's right to move and be educated here in New York outweighed that particular decision.
[Banfield:] So, Joey Jackson, I'm watching you on the CNN, earlier this morning. And I hear the question
[Jackson:] And you agreed with everything I had to see.
[Banfield:] Usually. Usually, I do. But this morning I didn't. And I'm not a lawyer, so I think you're going to win this one. That is that the issue that Bode texted her "you're on your own, you did this on your own, you're on your own with this." Shouldn't that give her the right with the baby in utero to a free will move to where she wanted to study on a G.I. bill at an Ivy League school? I mean
[Jackson:] Us lawyers never admit when we're wrong. You know? Come on! You have a great point. Here is what the issue is. Remember, she was scolded severely, the mother was, by the family court judge in New York, saying
[Banfield:] She called her reprehensible, right?
[Jackson:] Exactly. The conduct of you moving was reprehensible. Here's where you have a very legitimate point. Because what the argument would be is he said, hey, look, I don't care what you do. Right, you made this decision. Go it on your own. I'm not abducting anyone. I'm doing what I needed to do, having a Columbia education on a G.I. bill, I'm leaving. You didn't dispute the fact that I was going to go. In fact, you said go do it, and so I think it raises a good point as to whether or not she was in her legal rights to do that.
[Hansen:] But Ashleigh, I don't even think the text matters. I mean whether he sent that text or not
[Jackson:] That's what I said this morning.
[Hansen:] And I'm trying to support you here, Joey. Because I think that ultimately she has the right to go to New York and get her education. It's a constitutional right that a woman has. Whether he sent that text or not. That text certainly
[Jackson:] But it is complicated, Heather, by the fact that the father says you can't go anywhere, this is my child. To Heather's point, she's right on the law. Right?
[Hansen:] Right, and again, the law says in custody arguments the child is not a person until it's born.
[Banfield:] And there that's this is a fascinating case. I'm shocked we haven't had this until now or maybe we have and it's been quiet, hasn't made big headlines.
[Jackson:] This isn't going to be quiet. This is going to go up through the different courts.
[Banfield:] Olympic gold medalist with a marine who is stunningly beautiful, and is being educated in this Ivy League school. Thank you both. Do appreciate it. I've got lots more I want to ask you later on. In the meantime, I do have some breaking news that's just come in to me. This is coming to us out of Yale University. Apparently students and faculty at that school are on a shelter in place order right now. Staying inside. Doors are locked. All of this after a report that there is a person on campus with a gun. Earlier the university posted this. What you're seeing right now on your screen, this following information: New Haven police have received an anonymous call from a bone booth in the 300 block of Columbus Avenue reporting a person on the campus of Yale University with a gun. There've been no confirmations or sightings of this person yet. Yale and New Haven police are in the area and the Yale police department are advising those on campus to remain in their current location until they have additional information. They're also saying please note that students on November recess as of last Friday, according to their academic calendar, will mean that there may be far fewer students on campus than might have been otherwise. We're watching that story. Report of a person with a gun on the campus of Yale University. And we'll watch that for you and let you know just how that how that shakes out. A lot more coming up right ahead. Stay with us.

[Baldwin:] Police in Britain are chasing new leads in the case of a 3- year-old girl who vanished six years ago while on vacation in Portugal. Remember Madeleine McCann? She disappeared from the bedroom she was sharing with two of her siblings. For a time investigators thought she might have been killed. Her parents were suspects before they were ultimately cleared. But today police said they want to speak to, they're very precise with this number, 38, 38 persons of interest based upon this new evidence. And their remains a chance little Madeleine McCann could be alive. CNN's Atika Shubert joins me from London. So what's the word, Atika, from Scotland Yard?
[Atika Shubert, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, basically they're saying they're reopening this investigation. They want to talk to those 38 people across Europe, including 12 of them they believe are British nationals who were in Portugal at the time. This comes after a review of the case that police made 16 visits to Portugal, went through 30,000 documents. And what's interesting here is it's not just evidence from Portuguese and British police, but also from private investigators from seven different companies. They pulled all of this together, and they believe they have some new leads and evidence they want to pursue. Perhaps most importantly, the police have said they believe that Madeleine McCann may still be alive.
[Baldwin:] Which is wonderful for her family, but I have to, you know, just remind everyone, there have been unconfirmed sightings of Madeleine McCann for years. What's the possibility that this new lead is more promising than others in the past?
[Shubert:] We really don't know. They're not giving that many details. It seems to be the fact they've looked at all of the evidence from all of these different sources. It's not just one sighting here or there. It's sort of the totality of all the evidence they have. I do have to point out that Kate and Jerry McCann have really been tirelessly campaigning to keep the investigation open, to keep the search going. In fact, last year the police put out an age progressed photo to show what Madeleine McCann might look like. Again, they put it out today urging the public if they have seen this little girl to give them information. Also interesting to note, a lot of recent cases in the U.S. have given them hope. For example, the case in Cleveland, they say the younger a child is that's taken the greater the chances are that she may still be alive.
[Baldwin:] There is hope. We hope they find her. Atika Shubert, thank you, in London for us. Coming up in the next hour of CNN NEWSROOM, we will have special coverage of the wildfire tragedy in Arizona, remembering the Hotshots. Stephanie Elam will join me from Prescott, Arizona, as we look and we honor the lives of these 16 young men, forgive me, 19 young men, 19 heroes. That is at 3:30 p.m. Eastern only here on CNN.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thanks so much for joining me. Checking our top stories at 31 minutes past the hour. Vice President Joe Biden met this morning in Beijing with China's president. Biden said he has deep concerns about China's new air defense zone. The two men talked privately for two hours and Biden reportedly reiterated the U.S. opposition to that zone. During his trip, Biden also openly criticized China's crackdown on journalists. Toronto Mayor Rob Ford tried to buy a damaging video from suspected criminals with an offer of $5,000 and a car. That's according to reported phone conversations between the suspects, all part of a police investigation. Ford is calling the claim on sports radio this morning an outright lie.
[Mayor Rob Ford, Toronto:] That's an outright lie. And, number two, you can talk to my lawyers about it, but I'm here to talk football, guys. So if you want to talk football, I'll talk football. If you want to talk about other things, then unfortunately I'm going to have to let you go.
[Unidentified Male:] OK. I got I have a
[Costello:] As of this moment, Ford has not been charged in any crime. Today at 2:00 p.m. Eastern we're expecting to find out if Florida State's star quarterback, Jameis Winston will face prosecution. The 19-year-old is accused of sexual assault. The prosecutor says he's finished an investigation and will make an announcement later this afternoon. Winston is considered a favorite to win the Heisman trophy. A massive arctic front that already has jumped several feet of snow is moving southeast and it could cause a dangerous ice storm. We're talking about this area from Texas to Ohio. Millions of people could see snow and ice, plus dangerous roads and even major power outages. Dallas it's expecting temperatures to drop below freezing along with a nasty, wintry mix. CNN's Ed Lavandera is in Dallas this morning. Good morning, Ed.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Well, just a few hours ago, late yesterday afternoon, we were out here in this park, Clyde Warren Park, in downtown Dallas, it was 80 degrees, people were walking around in shorts, playing in the splash park. Oh, my, how things have changed.
[Lavandera:] Late Wednesday, city parks in downtown Dallas looked more like a California coast boardwalk.
[Unidentified Female:] I mean we're Texans. It's 80 degrees today and the next day it's going to be 30. So you never people panic.
[Lavandera:] A mass of arctic air and rain is threatening to turn these scenes of paradise into this. It seems like the Dallas-Ft. Worth area experiences epic battles with sheets of ice and sleet crippling the region every few years, causing power outages, shutting down schools, not even leaving children with snow to play in. City officials say street crews will be available to work around the clock using about 70 trucks to spread a mixture of sand and salt on the icy streets if need. But this potential ice storm is threatening two major events, a downtown Dallas holiday parade on Saturday and the Dallas Marathon on Sunday. Slippery ice doesn't go well with marchers and runners. The last wicked winter storm was in 2011 in the days leading up to the Super Bowl hosted in the Dallas Cowboys Stadium. Football fans struggled to navigate the treacherous roadways and street crews struggled to keep many roadways drivable. And, of course, Carol, the real danger will be on those overpasses, on the high-rise overpasses across the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. Those will freeze up quickly and be very treacherous to drive. And from what we can tell, it appears that the weather conditions will begin to deteriorate with that rain moving in later on this afternoon and making rush hour possibly a very dangerous situation or the beginning of a dangerous situation, and into the overnight. So a lot of businesses and schools will be monitoring this situation closely tonight and figuring out exactly what to do tomorrow. But it would not be surprising if businesses and many schools decide to close on Friday. So we'll see how that plays out throughout the day, Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Ed Lavandera reporting live from Dallas this morning. A second passenger in Sunday's deadly train derailment in New York has filed a claim against operator Metro North. Edward Russell was seriously hurt when all seven train cars flew off the tracks. According to his claim notice, Russell asked for $10 million in punitive damages citing negligence on the part of Metro North, the MTA and the city and state of New York. A day after she came clean about using cocaine, celebrity chef Nigella Lawson is back on the stand today in the trial of two former assistants. The Grillo sisters are accused of charging more than $1 million in luxury items for themselves on company credit cards that belonged to Lawson and her ex-husband. CNN's Erin McLaughlin live in front of the courthouse in London. Good morning.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. When Nigella Lawson arrived at court today, she said she felt a bit tired, perhaps not surprising given that she has chosen to stand, not sit, through hours of testimony. Today the defense grilling her about her admitted cocaine use. She said, quite simply, she'd rather be honest about drug use than bullied by lies. She also talked about now infamous incident that took place outside a very famous London cafe in June. An incident that resulted in photos being splashed across the British tabloids showing her now former husband, Charles Saatchi, his hands around her neck. She said that following that incident, Saatchi made up stories that he was examining her for cocaine at the time the photographs were taken. She also went on to testify about one of the defendants, Francesca Grillo, her former assistant. She described Grillo as a, quote, "fantasist," saying that she was responsible for cleaning their house, as well as arranging Saatchi's Frappuchino's and eggs. She had to go through lists of household expenses amounting to thousands of dollars funding the former couple's luxurious lifestyle. A lot of personal details coming out in all of this. We even now know that Charles Saatchi's preferred breakfast is burnt toast and weak tea. Carol.
[Costello:] Somehow that's fitting. Erin McLaughlin, thanks so much. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, thousands of Americans depend on defibrillators in the event of a heart emergency. Well, now the FDA says those defibrillators might not work. We'll be right back.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn:] Hello everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. It is November 29th. And welcome to "legal view." and it a very happy Black Friday to you. That's the sound, isn't it? Were you in that little number out late Thanksgiving night last night, or maybe even well before the dawn waking up this morning and hunting down all those rock bottom deals? The holiday shopping season now officially upon us and today is the craziest if not the busiest shopping day of the year, and, my friends, that has been rather obvious. Sounds like a concert, new kids on the block, shows my age. According to the National Retail Federation, about 97 million of us Americans are expected to shop in stores and online today, and for many, this Black Friday tradition actually ended up kicking off yesterday. A bit weird, I get it. More and more stores, though, decided to open their doors on Thanksgiving Day, though, instead of the day after. And for some, the competition for those door-buster deals got pretty ugly. Oh, makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it? Our Kyung Lah outside a Walmart store in Los Angeles for us right now. I'm trying to peek into the middle of that melee to see if you were actually among them, but I think you were smart enough to stay outside and watch it all through the windows. Kyung, did it get any better?
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it's actually pretty calm here at this Walmart. Things have been very, very steady. What I was surprised to see is when we got here at 3:00 a.m. local time in Los Angeles, there were people actually shopping, so the shopping did definitely start Thursday. If you look at Walmart's figures, it's certainly paying off for them. They're estimating 22 million customers in America were in their stores last night.
[Banfield:] I have to interrupt you. I'm so sorry. Do you know why I have to interrupt you? And only for the White House would I cut you off. The official Christmas tree is just rolling up to the White House right now. It's so pretty. It's on this Kyung, if you can see a monitor, it's on a lovely horse-drawn cart. And there's the dog at the back of the Christmas tree. Be at the top of the Christmas tree for anyone looking. I love the fact that the first lady and her daughters have come out to greet the tree. By the way, this is kind of a cool tree this year. It's a little not in keeping with tradition. Typically, the tree that goes in the Blue Room at the White House is the winner of a big contest. I don't know if you know the contest. It's actually the National Christmas Tree Association contest, but this year, it is not that tree. Let me just listen for a bit.
[Michele Obama, First Lady Of The United States:] We are honored to have it. This is the best part of the holiday season when our tree comes. Check it out. What do you think? Come look on the other side.
[Unidentified Female:] It's big.
[Obama:] It's big? [Inaudible]. What do you think of that?
[Unidentified Male:] It looks beautiful.
[Obama:] So what do you think?
[Unidentified Female:] Love it.
[Obama:] All right.
[Unidentified Male:] We'll keep it.
[Obama:] We will keep it.
[Unidentified Female:] OK.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you very much.
[Obama:] All right, you guys. We will see you a lot over the next week.
[Banfield:] I think that's Bo. I can't tell the difference between their puppy dogs, but maybe there's both there. I have a very small monitor and I'm trying to make out which of the first pets yeah, there they are. They're both there. Sunny and Bo accompanying the first daughters and the first lady as they greet the official Christmas tree that's going to be in the Blue Room at the White House. And like I said, this is a bit weird this year, because that is not the winner of the official contest. Turns out the winner of the cop test wasn't 18.5 feet high. And if you think that's stickler-y, detail stuff, it has to be, because the power source in the blue room is in the ceiling. So if the tree isn't high enough, it can't get to the electricity. So, instead, this is another tree that's coming to us courtesy of the Boteach family. Very nice, it's beautiful, and I'm sure by the time the Obamas have finished the decorating, it will be even more so. Kyung Lah, I would never interrupt you for anything other than something that really special. And, you know, it's such a great moment for everybody in America to watch the first family getting ready for the holidays. Go ahead. Finish your fabulous report now.
[Lah:] Yeah, and Christmas is arriving now, right? Christmas is arriving now. You really want to go out and shop, right? Maybe not. But a lot of people certainly were out there trying to shop. Walmart, as I was saying, is actually was very it paid off for them to open up last night. In the first four hours, they had some 10 million transactions. So, if you thought the people who went out shopping on Thanksgiving were absolutely mad to do it, well, for at least this big box retailer, it's certainly paying off. They're predicting record sales for the Black Friday weekend, Ashleigh.
[Banfield:] Oh, man. Well, I hope everybody is in a little bit better spirits, and maybe the spirit of the holiday is today, now that they're over the initial push to get through the front doors. But methinks maybe now. Anyway, Kyung, be careful. Keep your Kevlar handy in case you have to go back inside. And a happy holiday to you as well, this Thanksgiving weekend, Kyung Lah, live for us in Los Angeles, looking very festive, yourself. I'm sorry to bring this to you, but I just have to, because this is the real deal, folks. Those holiday deals breed mayhem. This is at a North Carolina Walmart. This video is going viral, because the hash tag is "brawlmart." It looks like a football game, for heaven's sake. The man who videotaped this scene spoke earlier to my colleague, Carol Costello. Have a listen.
[Brian Spain, Videotaped Walmart Thanksgiving Brawl:] ... makes you feel kind of helpless. And then when you look and you see like there's two officers off to the side that are just kind of like standing there, watching all of this happen, and there's nothing going on, I'm like, I thought they would be there to help, to make sure this kind of stuff didn't happen. But they just kind of watch it happen.
[Baldwin:] Yeah, there, Brian Spain, I agree. That's just obnoxious to see that stuff going on. I'm not sure I could see any little kids in the middle of that. But Walmart's CEO, for his part, says that the company has taken steps to try to stave off that kind of business, that kind of clashing. And he spoke this morning on "NEW DAY." Have a listen.
[Bill Simon, President And Ceo, Walmart:] By and large, our events have changed over the years, and we implemented a couple of protocols and programs. We had a one-hour guarantee. We took the 21 hottest items and we bought them in deep enough quantities so that there wasn't that frenzy to try to get one. Anybody who was in our building during that timeframe was guaranteed to get one of those items. And if we ran out, we'll fulfill them through Walmart.com in the coming days, so they'll have the item for their Christmas or holiday celebration. So that calmed things down in our stores quite a bit from where they had been many, many years ago.
[Banfield:] Well, dang. If they had only known that before they went out and slept in the line to get through those doors their fellow Americans. Some retailers have been taking heat for kicking off Black Friday a whole day early. Last night, in fact, Macy's opened on Thanksgiving for the first time ever. The CEO of Macy's, Terry Lundgren, defended that decision this morning on "NEW DAY." Have a listen.
[Terry Lundgren, President And Ceo, Macy's:] In our case, we just want to do what our customers want and what our associates want, and so we're being responsive in that way. I think the fact that 15,000 people versus 11,000 who were here last year at midnight is an indication that people wanted to be here when we opened our doors.
[Banfield:] So that's all the shopping craziness. I had a moment of reprieve from that craziness to tell you about the lovely moment at the White House where the Christmas tree just arrived just minutes ago, the Obama family coming out with puppy dogs to greet the trees. And despite the pomp and circumstance around the tree and the trimmings and the decorations at the White House and Thanksgiving, there's still something going on there. President Obama is facing a tough reality check tomorrow. Check your calendar, because it's the self-imposed deadline for the ObamaCare Web site, healthcare.gov. They said it would work for the vast majority of people in America in a smooth and consistent way, so it's going to be a Saturday on a holiday weekend. Will it? Will we see a repeat of any of the debacle moments when the site launched last month? Our Jill Dougherty, also not taking the day off, working hard at the White House for us to follow everything that's happening. I almost wondered if this wasn't a blessing for President Obama that the tree is arriving, the Thanksgiving turkeys are pardoned and everybody is catatonic from so much turkey that they may not pay attention to this big deadline tomorrow. What's the White House doing?
[Jill Dougherty, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, actually, that's an interesting point, because some Republicans have said that was deliberate. This was all kind of rolled out, this artificial deadline, around the holidays so that nobody would pay attention. But, obviously, we are paying attention, and as far as we know, we are on track to do what their goal is. But remember, their goal is to get it working to the point that they can get 50,000 people online at the same time. And if it goes over that, that's where the issues could come up. Remember, back in October, they had over like 200,000 people. They couldn't get on. So what they've done is they've created this kind of virtual waiting list or waiting line where people would register and just get their names in there and then be contacted later to sign up. They also say, Ashleigh, they've increased the speed. Because the pages were loading just every six seconds, which is really slow. They say they have that down now to one second. And, also, the error rate is below 1 percent. It used to be 6 percent. These are all details. So we'll have to see what happens tomorrow, the deadline on Saturday, and as we've been telling you all along, they do have a tech team and they're working around the clock, hopefully getting this to where they want this to be.
[Banfield:] Yeah. But you know, it's like breaking a big story on a Friday night. It doesn't get nearly the angst that it does during the weekdays. Happy holidays to you, Jill. You look warm and cozy out there in the cold, crisp air. It's nice to see you.
[Dougherty:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] All right, so you've probably done a little online shopping at some point in your life, right? You get that bad service, or it just doesn't go right. And you see those comment columns and you want to get in there and write a bad review. Take a very deep breath before you do that. The nasty-gram can come back to haunt you, even if it's true. I want to introduce you to a couple who says their credit rating has been ruined because they just wrote a bad review online. And you need to know your rights, and what rights they have, those retailers, what you give up to them when you shop online. A cautionary tale coming up right before Cyber Monday.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Happening now, breaking news: a growing U.S. commitment. CNN learns the Obama administration getting ready to send more than 100 military advisers to Iraq to help tens of thousands of refugees fleeing the ISIS onslaught. Deadly trek. Thousands of those refugees have fled on foot, making a grueling and in some cases deadly trek to safety. Shocking details. Police reveal new information about how the comedian Robin Williams took his own life, leaving fans around the world heartbroken. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in
[The Situation Room. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] We're following two major breaking stories this hour. Police revealing new details of the death of Robin Williams. The suicide that is shocking his fans around the world. Stand by, and we will update you. We're also following breaking news in Iraq. Sources telling CNN more than a hundred U.N. military advisers are being sent to Iraq to help deal with the humanitarian crisis in the northern part of the country. We are covering all of the breaking news this hour with our correspondents, our guests, CNN's global resources. Let's begin with our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr. Barbara, what's the latest you're hearing over there?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Wolf, we expect a formal announcement from the Pentagon at any moment. More than a hundred U.S. military advisers, additional military advisers being sent to Northern Iraq right now, one of their main jobs will be to see if there is any way to rescue those stranded Iraqis.
[Starr:] The first challenge for any possible rescue operation, figuring out how many people are trapped on Sinjar Mountain. The Pentagon's top operations officer says nobody really knows.
[Lt. Gen. William Mayville, Operations Director, Joint Chiefs Of Staff:] I have seen reports of numbers in the thousands and I have seen reports in the numbers of tens of thousands.
[Starr:] The U.S. is continuing airdrops of food and water and airstrikes against is positions around the mountain, trying to push militants back, a vital military step if a rescue operation is to be launched.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We're working with international partners to develop options to bring them to safety.
[Starr:] Several defense officials tell CNN if there is any rescue mission, it could be chaos like this. There will have to be ground troops from some country on the mountain to keep an evacuation orderly and secure. U.S. officials tell CNN there are two basic options, a massive airlift, potentially landing helicopters and cargo planes for weeks to move everyone out, or a ground operation, using hundreds of vehicles to transport people to safety. That's already begun on a small scale. A humanitarian corridor opened by Iraqis has helped thousands of Yazidis escape. They have been driven to the border with Syria, now left with nothing, still looking to get back to their homes. But either option will require stepped-up U.S. airstrikes to keep is away. For now, the U.S. says, no American boots on the ground.
[John Kerry, U.s. Secretary Of State:] There will be no reintroduction of American combat forces into Iraq.
[Starr:] Kurdish forces already fighting ISIS may have to step in.
[Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling , Cnn Military Analyst:] They speak the language. They're better able to coordinate. They're better able to cooperate. They're better able to take control.
[Starr:] And if there is a rescue mission, clearly this will draw U.S. forces deeper back into Iraq Wolf.
[Blitzer:] The only problem, Barbara, those Peshmerga forces don't have the armor, they don't have the equipment to fight ISIS. They have Abrams battle tanks, armored personnel carriers. The Peshmerga, they may be great fighters, very courageous, but they basically have some weapons, some ammunition. They can't compete in that area.
[Starr:] Wolf, if it happens, this will all depend on military tactics. One of the things that people here are predicting is you will see stepped-up airstrikes. It will be up to U.S. warplanes to continue to pound those ISIS targets, get them back off the mountain, get them away from any humanitarian corridor, so these people can be safely transported out of there. But make no mistake, it is going to be dangerous for everybody, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes, the U.S. is going to have to step up military supplies, military equipment, major military equipment to the Kurdish forces. Quickly on the hundred additional, hundred-plus additional military advisers now heading to Northern Iraq, that will bring the number closer and closer to 1,000 active duty U.S. military personnel in Iraq right now. Isn't that right?
[Starr:] That is correct, Wolf. We have gotten a better readout from our sources. This will take the number of active-duty personnel in Iraq, U.S. military personnel to well over 900. Now they do everything from working on foreign military sales, still selling weapons to the current Iraqi military, working on security at Baghdad Airport, protecting the embassy, working both in Irbil in Northern Iraq and in Baghdad on trying to assess, and evaluate and help the Iraqi military. But now what we are seeing tonight, Wolf, two new missions, possible rescue mission, possible assistance to the Peshmerga fighters up there.
[Blitzer:] They are all active-duty military personnel. They will be wearing uniforms. They will be wearing their boots. They will be on the ground. There will be boots on the ground, although they are now saying these will not be combat troops. So that is the difference. They're saying they're not combat forces. Is that right?
[Starr:] Wolf, these people, under the war powers notifications the president has made to Congress, these people will not be engaging in offensive combat operations. If they were to come under attack, they have every right to defend themselves. But they are not going out there on combat operations either by themselves or with Iraqi or Peshmerga forces. That right now is not happening Wolf.
[Blitzer:] U.S. fighter jets though they are engaged in combat. Clearly they are actively engaged in combat. All right, we are going to continue this, this hour. Barbara Starr, at the Pentagon, thanks very much. Let's get some more now on those Yazidi refugees fleeing for their lives from these ISIS terrorists. Our senior international correspondent, Ivan Watson, is joining us from Northern Iraq right now, where this humanitarian crisis is unfolding, Ivan, what are you seeing now? Because you have shown our viewers in the United States and around the world some very powerful and dramatic images.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, we're having a few audio problems. But, yes, we saw the stream of humanity pouring across the border from Syria into Iraqi Kurdistan, across the Peskabor River on a bridge. Now, why where they coming from Syria, these masses of exhausted, desperate, frightened civilians? Because there is an informal humanitarian corridor that has come together to help the people. Many of them those religious minority members the Yazidis come from the Iraqi town of Sinjar and the surrounding areas, that Sinjar Mountain that many have fled to. They are escaping by crossing the border into Syria, a Kurdish-controlled part of Syria, controlled by a group called the Kurdistan Workers Party, who are then helping transport them up the border to the Peskabor River, where they then trudge across the bridge here into Iraqi Kurdistan. And the people told horrifying stories of their Arab neighbors joining the largely foreign force of ISIS militants to attack and threaten their Kurdish Yazidi neighbors. They describe stories of their children dying on the marathon journey through the desert, taking 10, 15 hours on foot to reach safety, and then coming here where these people are once again sleeping out under the stars on roadsides with no tents to speak of. Some of them sleeping on scraps of cardboard tonight after spending more than a week out in the open Wolf.
[Blitzer:] This looks like such a desperate situation. These folks and you have spoken to them and we saw you on that helicopter, rescuing some folks with the Iraqi military, some Peshmerga Kurdish fighters. What is their mood right now? Do they feel they have any hope?
[Watson:] The refrain that I have heard from these Yazidis who are streaming north via Syria is they are just looking to the U.S., to Europe for help. And it's a refrain I heard from some of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Christians, another religious minority that have been fleeing on mass since this crisis began. They too would say the same thing. We just need a safe refuge somewhere in the west. They have already given up hope on Iraq, I think largely because they have seen and heard that neighbors from their communities have turned on them, have joined ISIS and taken up arms against them and they feel they cannot go back home to those communities ever again. It is truly ethnic and sectarian cleansing.
[Blitzer:] Ivan, tell us quickly about that Iraqi military helicopter that crashed, if you will, trying to bring some aid to trapped Yazidis on Mount Sinjar earlier today. We know the pilot was killed. What do we know about this incident?
[Watson:] This is one of the Iraqi air force helicopters that have been flying daily missions, dangerous missions over the past several days delivering aid to Mount Sinjar to the perhaps tens of thousands of mostly Yazidis trapped there and then coming back in the chaotic scenes we witnessed yesterday on a similar flight, coming back, carrying more passengers than the helicopters are equipped to carry, bringing them back to safety in these truly chaotic scenes. In this case, one of these flights, one of these choppers went down on Mount Sinjar. The Iraqi air force pilot, he was killed. A number of the other people on that helicopter were injured, including Alissa Rubin, a "New York Times" journalist. There was a photographer, a friend of mine, who was on board as well and has published a photo in "TIME" magazine, Moises Saman. I'm told that he is OK, but in a hospital. And it just underscores how dangerous those missions are, what burdens the helicopters, these aging Russian helicopters are taking when they are overloaded with refugees, bringing them off of that mountain, and also how much the Iraqis and Kurds need help for this dangerous even delicate operation.
[Blitzer:] Very dangerous. We heard from "The New York Times" Alissa Rubin, the experienced war correspondent, had her wrist broken, a concussion. She's now been airlifted out. She's in the hospital together with several of the other people who were on that helicopter. Ivan Watson doing amazing work for all of us. Thank you so much for your reporting. Complicating all of this, a major power struggle in Baghdad where a new prime minister has been designated, but the incumbent, Nouri al- Maliki, is vowing to cling to power and that is raising serious fears of a possible military coup. Let's discuss with the former Iraqi Ambassador to the United States Samir Sumaidaie, who is joining us. Mr. Ambassador, thanks very much for joining us. Will he go quietly away, Nouri al-Maliki, or will he resist?
[Samir Sumaidaie, Former Iraqi Ambassador To The United States:] That's the key question. It is, at this moment, unknown. I listened to his press conference. I listened to his speech today again, saying that he is going to launch a complaint with the judiciary. This doesn't sound good. It doesn't augur well at all. He, by now, should understand that the entire country is against him, his own allies, members of his own party. I mean, the prime minister- designate, Mr. Abadi, is from his own party. He was his deputy. He turned against him. He should understand. But the reason he doesn't-
[Blitzer:] Nouri al-Maliki.
[Sumaidaie:] Nouri al-Maliki doesn't want to go. It seems to me that he is surrounded by a clique of cronies. They are deeply implicated in all kind of corruption, crimes possibly. And they are scared. They are like cornered animals and they don't know where to go.
[Blitzer:] Well, here's the question. Does Nouri al-Maliki have military backers, elements in the Iraqi military who will fight to protect him and cause in effect a civil war?
[Sumaidaie:] Well, Wolf, from the first term, from 2006, he started working on consolidating his grip over the security forces. The Ministry of Interior, he started implanting people in it, the military, the army, and the intelligence. And then the special forces, especially, he made that as an operational force loyal to him. He put all the leadership of these forces, made it very close.
[Blitzer:] What I hear you saying, Mr. Ambassador-
[Sumaidaie:] And just to complete the picture-
[Blitzer:] Yes, go ahead.
[Sumaidaie:] he interpreted this role of commander in chief of the security forces in a very unique way for Iraq. He considered himself operationally responsible for the movements of units. This interpretation is unique to him.
[Blitzer:] So what I hear you saying, correct me if I'm wrong, and I have heard this from others as well, that Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, with his cronies, as you call them, have supposedly millions, if not tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars from the Iraqi people. And they are afraid that if he is no longer prime minister, he could be arrested, he could be sent to jail and that money could be taken from him.
[Sumaidaie:] I think they are terrified. If you go and look at the record of his performance during the last two years, he has driven the country into the ground. Look, he interpreted politics as winner takes all. Now, the corollary of that is if you are a winner in politics, you have a license to loot. And they have been looting the country blind. Now, at the end, this has to stop. We hope that new prime minister will do a U-turn on this and will start using politics for the reconstruction and mending of Iraq.
[Blitzer:] Do you know this Haider al-Abadi, the new prime minister?
[Sumaidaie:] I do. I do.
[Blitzer:] You think he is a decent guy?
[Sumaidaie:] Well, we give him the benefit of the doubt. He's the best hope that we have right at the moment. That's all we have. But what is clear, Wolf, is what policy works and what policy doesn't. What doesn't work is creating enemies, is splitting the country into sectarian factions. What works is bringing the country together. That's what we hope the new prime minister will do.
[Blitzer:] He may not walk away quietly because of the money that he and his cronies have stolen.
[Sumaidaie:] I think, Wolf, what al-Maliki will do in the next few days will be key and also what Iran will do in terms of signaling that they will be dead against his renewal. That would be key.
[Blitzer:] Because Iran has a huge amount of influence in Baghdad right now.
[Sumaidaie:] Absolutely. And I think not all Iranian leaders, but at least some very key leaders in Iran have concluded that Maliki is more of a liability than an asset.
[Blitzer:] Samir Sumaidaie, Mr. Ambassador, thanks very much for coming in.
[Sumaidaie:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] Still ahead, we will have much more on this story coming up. But, also, police reveal new details of the death of Robin Williams, as a grief-stricken nation mourns his loss.

[Malveaux:] This is something you usually don't see on an international president trip. Well, President Obama and former President George W. Bush standing side by side in Tanzania. That was earlier today. They were laying a wreath to honor the 11 people killed in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombing in Dar es Salaa. For President Obama, Tanzania is his last stop on his African tour that also took him South Africa and Senegal. During the trip, President Obama praised Bush for his efforts in Africa while Bush backed him on criticizing the NSA leaker. And they are on a tour. They're pushing for gun control, but former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and her husband are also showing their support for the Second Amendment by firing guns. That's right. For Giffords, it was her first time firing a weapon since a gunman shot her and killed six others in January. That was back in 2011. Well, she and her husband, Mark Kelly, they are visiting seven states to push for expanded background checks on gun purchases. They're calling it the Rights and Responsibility Tour. They visited a gun range, this was in Vegas yesterday, and today they're in Alaska. Crews battling the Arizona wildfire that killed 19 firefighters. Well, they are now getting some more help. A Pentagon official tells CNN that the military is now sending four specially-equipped C-130 planes. This is from Colorado to Arizona. We've learned that one of the planes has actually already arrived, and this the Yarnell Hill fire. This is just northwest of Phoenix. It's scorched more than 8,400 acres. That's about 13 square miles. We're talking about extreme heat, parched conditions, shifting winds, that have all made it tough to get it and get a handle on this fire. The fire fighting planes will be able to drop 3,000 gallons of water or fire retardant in less than five seconds. The 19 firefighters who died in Arizona, they were part of this elite group. They were known as hot shots. Some of them compare them to special op forces or in military Navy SEALS or Army Rangers. Well Randi Kaye shows us what it is like to be one of the best.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] When hot shots get the call they head to the center of a blazing wildfire, an inferno that oftentimes only they can stop. Hot shots go where equipment can't. These elite firefighting teams are specially trained to use chain saws and pulaskis to clear brush and cut a fire line through the dirt. A line that could stretch a mile long. It's their job to hold that line. John Segar is a former hot shot.
[John Segar, Former Hotshot/national Interagency Fire Center:] When the fire burns up to that line the fire will put out embers. Some of those embers actually do cross the line and the hot shot crew or any of our fire crews will patrol the line and look for those embers and try to get to them.
[Kaye:] Segar, likened hot shot teams to military special ops units. He says they're the best of the best in wildfire suppression, highly motivated and highly trained, which is why they get the toughest assignments.
[Segar:] Their physical fitness training prior to the season, and if it's a slow season during the season, includes running, long endurance hikes. Any types of push ups, sit ups, the whole aerobics, cardio, physical fitness routine.
[Kaye:] There's a rigorous physical test to qualify as a hot shot, including a three-mile hike in 45 minutes while carrying a 45 pound pack, and a mile and a half run in ten and a half minutes or less. Because of the physical endurance required, most hot shots tend to be younger in their 20's and 30's. It's certainly not an easy gig. Hot shot crews are on call 247 during fire season, about six months out of year. They're sent to where the terrain is most severe and the weather is typically hot and dry. They are exposed to wind and dust and all kinds of poisonous plants. Crews sleep on the ground and if they are lucky they get to shower every couple of days. The job keeps them away from home for several weeks at a time working 14 days on and two days off. The hours are long too, often stretching into 16 hour shifts.
[Segar:] They travel all over the country. So, it is very difficult. It's very difficult to maintain a family life. Our firefighters adjust to that. Families adjust to it just like families in the military service adjust to it. It's not an easy life.
[Kaye:] The U.S. Forest Service says hot shot crews began in southern California in the late 1940's. They got their name hot shot from always being in the hottest part of the fire. This isn't the first devastating loss they've suffered. Back in 1994 nearly 20 years ago, nine members of the Primeville, Oregon hot shot were killed when they were trapped fighting a Colorado fire on Storm King Mountain. Some firefighters tried to survive by wrapping themselves in fireproof shelters like these just like the 19 killed in Arizona. While all hot shot team members tend to love the outdoors and thrive on a challenge, they know the dangers and what can happen when the wind shifts. Randi Kaye, CNN, Atlanta.
[Malveaux:] Our thoughts and prayers to the 19 families who lost those hot shots from that fire. We'll be right back.

[Whitfield:] It has been a fund-raising phenomenon. The ALS ice bucket challenged has raked in $94 million and counting in just over a month. That's 34 times higher compared to this time last year. And it has also brought new awareness to a devastating disease. Elizabeth Cohen shows us why this fund-raiser has been so successful.
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Superman and Lois Lane got dosed, so did Homer Simpson, Matt Damon, Martha Stewart. This guy did it in an airplane upside down. In just one month, the ice bucket challenge has generated $100 million. As of Friday, the ALS association says donations are up an astonishing 3,504 percent from the same time period last year. And while you can say that's hashtag amazing, there's a worry that these expectations may be disappointed because even with all this money, a cure for ALS is still a long way off.
[Phil Buchanan, President, Center For Effective Philanthropy:] Progress against these tough issues takes patience and it takes time but we're not going to see results overnight and nobody should expect that.
[Cohen:] Phil Buchanan is president of the center for effective philanthropy, he says that donors want to see quick results and they want to know where their money is going right away.
[Buchanan:] There will be a temptation that to give it away quickly but it might to be more deliberate, see what shows that evidence of success, and then it only then fund that in a bigger way.
[Cohen:] Why is there pressure to distribute it quickly?
[Buchanan:] I think donors may just have an expectation that it's simpler than it is.
[Cohen:] The ALS association doesn't have a breakdown yet of how all of the ice bucket money will be spent and it acknowledged spending pressures directly in a statement this week saying this isn't a matter of spending these dollars quickly. It's a matter of investing these dollars prudently to achieve maximum impact in our quest to help people living with the disease and those yet to be diagnosed. And while a cure may not come overnight, at least for now more and more money is. With ice bucket challenge donations now averaging $9 million per day.
[Unidentified Female:] Charity ALS. Donate.
[Cohen:] Elizabeth Cohen, CNN, reporting.
[Whitfield:] A portion of the money being raised is going to research and right now there are treatments that help some ALS suffers. As Elizabeth Cohen mentioned, there's still no cure for the disease. I want to bring in a great friend here, CNN's Suzanne Malveaux has her own personal story about battling ALS. Her mom has been battling for the last several years. She is joining me right now from Washington. Good to see you.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] And you know, it's great to see you, Fred. And I have to thank you and CNN. We're grateful as a family that we were able to do the three-part series last year on ALS before it became popular. I mean, this is something that two and a half ago years ago when my mom was diagnosed with this disease, I didn't even know what it was. And now, people come up to us and up to my mom. They ask how can we help and what can we do and they are learning about what this means for so many of us who are directly impacted.
[Whitfield:] And you know, you have really helped educate so many people about it and along the way, especially with this ice bucket challenge, it has been a plight that you have talked about for you, for your mom, but really your whole family. And so, we want to show how your whole family got involved in this ice bucket challenge.
[Malveaux:] My mom was diagnosed with ALS two and a half years ago and she is still in the fight. If you would like more information about our story, please go Malveauxmission.org. We're also challenging Wanda Sykes
[Whitfield:] That's great. All in the family there. So give us an idea of, a, how is your mom doing and b, what has it been like for your family, you know, especially as of recently?
[Malveaux:] Sure. Sure, Fred. I mean, I want to thank my niece, Naila, to bringing that together. It was difficult to get us all together. And I do want to know all three people we challenged did accept and they'll do it. We tweeted out Wanda Sykes and Angie Harman. So that was great bringing a lot of awareness here. You know, you saw last year, Fred, it's been a real challenge for my mother. She loved to dance. Very social. Always very active. This was fast moving and hard hitting. She now has 24-hour care. A great team of caregivers and my father and my sister who has been taking good care of her. And this disease has robbed her of almost all of her physical abilities. She has feelings and emotions inside. So when her friends and when we come around and we spend time with her. She says with her eyes I love that you're here. I love you. This is a good thing for us to all be together. But you can imagine how difficult that would be for someone.
[Whitfield:] And these are beautiful pictures. But there is more we want to share with people. It kind of, you know,
[Unidentified Male:] Your mother was in the end stage of ALS. She would have moved into a coma and she would have died within a few days.
[Malveaux:] Instead mom chose an extraordinary life saving measure to get a tracheotomy. A tube hooked to a machine that would force air into her lungs and breathe for her. A game changer. It would be nine weeks in the hospital learning how to care for her before mom would be able to come home on life support.
[Unidentified Female:] Breaking out. Getting out of here. Good luck.
[Malveaux:] Her journey is bringing us closer together and changing us as a family.
[Unidentified Male:] I learned I have inner strength I didn't think I had.
[Malveaux:] Mom's message to all of us, be strong.
[Whitfield:] It has brought your family closer together. And then, by the way, folks may have notice they haven't see you in a little bit. So your family has grown. You're now a mother yourself with the new addition. How has that brightened your mom's eyes too.
[Malveaux:] You know, it's so wonderful, Fred. I'm so glad you asked me about that. Because she's a grandmother all over again. And you know, they spend so much time together just mesmerized by each other. You know, they sit together. They watch. She brings a new life, a new energy into our family, which is really very welcome. You know, I wanted to emphasize again, you know, this is something where over the last two, two and a half years she lost her ability to speak, to eat and breathe on her mother and move on her own. And so, when you have something that gives you that kind of energy and a boost, it's so welcomed. It's something that we really need. And it's good to be back, Fred. It's good to see you as well. And for all of those supporting ALS, it doesn't matter where you contribute if it's MDA, the ALS association, we decided to do placard to support research. But as long as people are talking about this and paying attention to this, it really does gives hope to my mom and many others who have been personally impacted by this.
[Whitfield:] Well, you were so courageously have helped raised awareness. Of course, we wish your mom the best. Always thinking of her. And you know, little kisses to
[Malveaux:] My God. And no sleep.
[Whitfield:] That will go on forever. I still got that. Operating without sleep. I think it's forever until maybe the kids go off to college. I don't know. Maybe that's a new worry after that. But hey, I'm here for you. Good to see you. Welcome back. And of course, you can go to Suzanne's ALS Web site. It is Malveauxmission.org. All right the frantic effort to stop Ebola has forced quarantines in regions of West Africa. Next, a CNN crew takes us inside the quarantine zone and shows us what daily life is like for people paralyzed by fear of this deadly virus.

[John Defterios:] It's an often overlooked emirate compared to the UAE's growing mega cities of Dubai and Abu Dhabi, but Fujairah is looking to boost its place on the map and become a strategic location for energy exports. This week, MARKETPLACE MIDDLE EAST heads to the tiny emirate with lofty ambitions. Plus, pipeline politics.
[Natig Aliyev, Azerbaijan Minister Of Industry And Energy:] And it is not only Azerbaijan in the focus of the Europe's interests. It is the Caspian region.
[Defterios:] Azerbaijan's industry and energy minister tells us why ongoing political instability is a cause for concern. Welcome to the program. We're in Fujairah, one of seven emirates making up the UAE. This largely mountainous area covers only 2 percent of the country. In the past, it did not benefit from Abu Dhabi's oil wealth or Dubai's trade and tourism traffic. But large-scale investment is rapidly changing the landscape here. Sandwiched between the Hajar Mountains and sandy beaches, the tiny northern emirate of Fujairah has always been the more laid-back sister city of Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Until recently, it is the minerals lying under Fujairah's famous mountains that has helped boost the emirate's economy. Sitting on vast resources of limestone and hard rock, Fujairah has been exploited for years by quarry companies producing construction materials like cement and stone wool. With various activities, like diving, fishing, and even mountain-climbing on offer, Fujairah is now positioning itself as the UAE's up and coming tourist destination. More recently, however, this traditionally backwater emirate has turned itself into a major shipping port for trade to and from the Gulf and has become a key strategic export hub for the UAE's oil. It is no surprise that Fujairah's investing in its port and free zone activities. It is the only emirate that has a coastline on the Indian Ocean south of the Strait of Hormuz. As a result, the UAE is now investing billions of dollars to make it an oil and gas distribution point. The Port of Fujairah is putting new meaning into the phrase build it and they will come. Sitting south of the world's busiest oil shipping lane, the Strait of Hormuz, it wants to become a global energy hub. The initial idea came during the first Gulf War in 1991, when there was a traffic jam triggered by concerns of bomb attacks.
[Mousa Murad, General Manager, Port Of Fujairah:] More than 200 ships just waiting here. From that, we say, yes, I think we should think about how we consider this shipping as a maritime services.
[Defterios:] Today, the once sleepy port is going well beyond loading fuel for ships. After Iran threatened to shut down the strait in 2008, the emirate of neighboring Abu Dhabi decided to leverage Fujairah's strategic location. This is a control room at an energy storage terminal here in Fujairah. The UAE government built a pipeline worth more than $3 billion to take crude from Abu Dhabi to the port on the Indian Ocean. It has a capacity of 1.5 million barrels a day. Opened two years ago, the pipeline can take in about half of the UAE's daily production.
[Thangapandian Srinivasalu, Executive Director, Gulf Petrochem:] The Strait of Hormuz always is a problem. And the Abu Dhabi pipeline came in here, and I don't see a reason why other producers will not be bringing the pipelines here shortly.
[Defterios:] The 30-year veteran of the business says Fujairah has something the top energy hubs in Asia and Europe don't have. It sits in a neighborhood with 60 percent of proven oil reserves.
[Srinivasalu:] Unlike Singapore and Rotterdam, which are the leading ports, you are surrounded by crude producers, surrounded by the foundries. So, this is what interested us the most. I'm very pleased.
[Defterios:] And the UAE is upping the ante, adding a big refinery and the ability to handle so-called VLCCs, very large crude carriers that ship up to 2 million barrels.
[Malek Azizeh, Commercial Director, Fujairah Oil Terminal:] We can save about 90 percent.
[Defterios:] Malek Azizeh of Fujairah Oil Terminal says those investments are game changers. He's involved in a joint venture with backing from Sinopec of China and Concord Energy of Singapore. That opens in December.
[Azizeh:] All these things, add them up and they give you the perfect scenario for somebody to take a step forward and get out of the usual thing and do something different.
[Defterios:] And if talks go well with Tehran over its nuclear program, this expanding hub could also welcome Iranian crude if sanctions are lifted. Securing energy supplies, of course, is crucial. Tensions remain high, of course, in Iraq and Syria, and also with Russia and Ukraine. We'll get into pipeline politics and the rising powers in the natural gas industry when MARKETPLACE MIDDLE EAST continues.

[Paula Newton:] Well, what a relief. The closing bell rings on Wall Street and the Dow finishes firmly in the black. It's Tuesday, January the 28th. Ukraine's government is out. Tonight, one Ukrainian billionaire says he's ready to lead a new government. A rotten day for Apple. The share price takes a sharp drop on Wall Street. And ruffling the NSA's feathers. How Angry Birds is being used by government spies. I'm Paula Newton, and this is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Good evening. Tonight, it's sub-zero temperatures in Kiev, but protesters are refusing to move. That's despite significant concessions from the government. President Viktor Yanukovych has accepted the resignations of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov and his entire cabinet. Now, that announcement came as parliament voted overwhelmingly to repeal anti-protest laws that were passed earlier this month. People demonstrating out on the streets say the concessions are merely a step in the right direction, but not everything they want. Now, in Brussels, European leaders met with Russia's president. The EU EU's Herman Van Rompuy called for restraint in Ukraine on all sides. Vladimir Putin and Russia will not revise the conditions of any loans for gas price discounts to Ukraine.
[Vladimir Putin, President Of Russia:] At this point, since nobody knows what the next government in Ukraine will be, no one could say anything about its future economic strategy. However, we will abide by our commitments.
[Newton:] Ukraine's crisis was triggered by President Yanukovych's decision to spurn closer ties with the European Union in favor of Russia. Now, the heavily indebted former Soviet republic faces two stark options: stick with Russia or sidle up to the EU. Now, the Russia option. In December, Russia agreed to buy $15 billion of Ukraine's debt and slash the price of gas. The deal enraged Ukraine's opposition and sparked protest. Ukraine's other option, seek financial aid from the EU and the IMF. Talks with the IMF broke down last year. Ukraine's outgoing prime minister, the one who just resigned, told Richard Quest in Davos last week that the IMF's conditions would have been disastrous for Ukraine.
[Mykola Azarov, Outgoing Prime Minister Of Ukraine:] And these conditions would mean even worsening of the economic situation in the state, like that is in Greece and other countries. Greece cannot get out of crisis for six years. So should we have implemented the comprehensive measures suggested by the International Monetary Fund, we would have faced a terrible economic crisis in the country.
[Newton:] Just before we came to air tonight, I spoke with Petro Poroshenko. He's a Ukrainian billionaire and politician whose name has been mentioned as a possible candidate for prime minister. I asked him if he will be Ukraine's next prime minister.
[Petro Poroshenko, Ukrainian Politician And Businessman:] I think that we should make the question the opposite one. Is the opposition ready to take responsibility for the whole situation in the country? And my answer would be yes. But if we would take responsibility, that means that we will form the government. And one of the representatives from the opposition, we have several potential candidates, are ready to be a prime minister to do the absolutely necessary reform, to keep democracy or to bring back democracy to Ukraine, to sign association agreement, to relieve the political prisoner, to restore the cooperation with the European Union and the United States. And most important thing, we are promising security for the people, democracy for the people, provide free and fair elections. We have a lot of things to be done from now.
[Newton:] And yet, none of this has really done anything to shore up Ukrainian economy. Many people believing you guys are on a dangerous position right now. How significant is it that President Putin said that no matter who's in power in Ukraine, his $15 million loan stands, as does those discounts to energy prices for Ukraine?
[Poroshenko:] That's a very important message come today from the EU- Russia summit. And I think this is a very important compromise and very important message, which gives us the opportunity for facilitating to find that compromise. I think that the Ukrainian economy is in real danger, but not because of the action that's going on for 70 days, but because of the huge volume of the corruption, because of the extremely bad investment climate. Because of the enormous budget deficit, because of the enormous pressure of the foreign debt and absolute mismanagement of Ukrainian government. We don't have an independent court, we don't have the industries and competition should be built for running a normal economy. And that is actually the main problem, which from the very beginning put people out of their houses on the protest. When President Yanukovych and his team changed his mind and stopped signing the process of signing the association agreement. Because the association agreement for my country is the only way how to modernize my country, the only way to improve legislation, to remove corruption, and to build up absolutely to use absolutely unique opportunities which Ukraine has to develop their economy. That's why I'm absolutely confident that with the cooperation of the European Union, restoring the memorandum for cooperation with the International Monetary Fund, providing the investor confidence, we can significantly improve the budget and financial situation for Ukraine. And without doing any of that, today, the famous S&P; agency lowered the rating for the Ukraine sovereign paper to CCC plus. This is a very dangerous zone, and that would be another motivation for our government and for our authorities to be much more flexible in negotiation with Ukrainian opposition, Ukrainian people, and Ukrainian Maidan, which is behind my back.
[Newton:] Significant comments, there, from Mr. Poroshenko, live from Kiev just a few moments ago. Now, to talk about what's next for Ukraine, we're joined by William Green Miller. He is in Washington. He is a former US ambassador to Ukraine. Thank you so much for joining us on what must be a very dramatic night in Ukraine tonight. Many in that country wondering where the country is going next. From all the developments that you've heard throughout the day, do you believe the country's in better shape today to move away from the brink, to strike that compromise that so far has been so elusive?
[William Green Miller, Former Us Ambassador To Ukraine:] I certainly think so. And what Petro Poroshenko just said is the right agenda for the new government, and I very much hope that he'll be a part of it. I think very well of him, and he certainly has been part and parcel of the political and economic experience of the newly-independent Ukraine. We have to understand that the country is a new country, coming out of the ruins of the Soviet Union, and a new democracy and they've made many, many mistakes, but they have also significantly laid out the course that the majority thinks should be the path of Ukraine.
[Newton:] And yet, to just interrupt there for a second, and yet, President Putin today saying that look, I'm going to keep that $15 billion in place for the Ukrainian people, no matter what government comes into place. How significant were his comments today?
[Miller:] Well, I think that's very helpful. And the EU, I'm sure, will work with Ukraine, particularly if it commits itself to the kinds of reform that Petro spoke of just a few minutes ago. And certainly, that's what the Maidan people want. An end to corruption, the thieves to jail, and a democracy that reflects the needs and will of all of the people, not just a few.
[Newton:] What you seem to be indicating is that we could be at a transformative moment. But is it really going to be that easy? I'm not saying that 70 days of protest isn't impressive, that the protesters haven't been through a lot, but we're talking about entrenched interests in Ukraine that are staring, perhaps as you say, jail time, prosecution in the face. Are they really going to relinquish power that easily?
[Miller:] No, they're not going to relinquish power easily. But they've been confronted with a protest that speaks to the realities of Ukraine. It has been led by a corrupt government, and that's what they're protesting. It's not primarily alliance with the EU as opposed to Russia. It's more about the nature of their system of governance. They want a clean government. They don't want elected officials or governmental officials to enrich themselves from the public coffers. They want a decent government and a rule of law that reflects a fair system of justice.
[Newton:] Now, this whole protest started over the fact that there were two ways forward, one to align with Russia more closely and one to the EU. Do you believe that there is a way forward for Ukraine that can still have that close relationship with Russia that historically has always been there, and out of necessity, from an energy point of view, but still trade with the EU? Still become part of that EU bloc?
[Miller:] Yes. I think that is the destiny of Ukraine, being a borderland country between East and West. They certainly have extensive trade and cultural relations with Russia. But they also have trade and cultural relations with the West. And there's no reason in a time of peace why they can't have a normal relationship with both Russia and Europe.
[Newton:] It's been the challenge so far. We'll wait to see how it turns out in the coming days and hours. Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it, your time.
[Miller:] It's a pleasure.
[Newton:] Now, investors are watching developments in Ukraine. The revolution of the the evolution of the crisis there may still stabilize the turmoil in emerging markets. Ukraine's currency rebounded from four- year lows Tuesday following the prime minister's resignation. However, as we heard earlier, the country's credit rating was cut by Standard & Poor's. Elsewhere, India unexpectedly raised interest rates by get this a full 25 basis points to 8 percent. The central bank had warned there is a clear risk of contagion surrounding the emerging economies. And Turkey's central bank, officials are meeting at this moment. An interest rate hike is expected from them as well. The statement is due in around 45 minutes, and if we get it, we will bring that to you. Coming up on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS, the Apple may not fall far from the tree, but boy, it could face a big drop on Wall Street. A closer look at its rough day on the markets.

[Baldwin:] A police officer in Ohio is now on mandatory paid leave after this YouTube video. And I'm quoting the title of this video. It's "Crazy Toledo Cop." This thing went viral over the weekend. A neighbor videotaped part of this encounter in Toledo. You hear the bleeps. This is a lot of colorful language exchanged here. Neighbors say this officer, who you see on the right, went too far after he pulled over this woman for a routine license plate violation. He wound up ordering her family, including her 14-year-old son, to lay on the ground, drawing his gun and Taser. Watch.
[Unidentified Female:] Nobody
[Unidentified Male:] Just shut up.
[Unidentified Female:] Call Nobody touched you!
[Unidentified Male:] Nobody touched you I never If you're told what to do, you'll do it. Yes, keep that video rolling. Get up. I can't get up you Um, yes, we need Toledo Police here at 165 Pine Ridge Toledo Police here, I asked you to get off the phone. Get in. I need Toledo Police here at 165 Pine Ridge in Washington Township. We got an officer we've got an officer in distress right now.
[Unidentified Female:] He has my phone.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Unidentified Female:] Hey!
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, he just put her down. Yes. We're getting them right now This is ridiculous.
[Unidentified Female:] Oh, he's pushing me up against the truck.
[Unidentified Male:] You just keep coming.
[Unidentified Female:] Oh, just stop!
[Unidentified Male:] OK.
[Unidentified Female:] No.
[Baldwin:] The screaming, the cursing. Lynn Berry, HLN, joining me. Explain to me how a routine stop turns into what we just saw.
[Lynn Berry, Hln Anchor:] Exactly, Brooke. I watched it and I was sort of like this the whole time. And it really depends on who you ask. OK. So the guy is Aaron Tatkowski. And he says he got home and he saw his daughter being pulled over for a routine traffic stop and he didn't like how the officer was aggressive with her. So he got out of the car and he said to the officer, move your patrol car, you're blocking my driveway and please don't talk to my daughter-in-law like that. The officer orders him back into his truck. He says, when he got back into his truck, the officer dragged him out, cuffed him, cuffed his girlfriend, his daughter-in-law, and put his 14-year-old grandson there on the ground.
[Baldwin:] Wow.
[Berry:] Now, the officer, we should say, when you look at this police report, he says everyone involved repeatedly disobeyed his orders and they were charging at him. We should note that the video does not show anything that supports the allegations, but he handcuffed these people after they asked him to move the car. We only see what happened after these people were on the ground. We should also note that the officer is there by himself. He reported to the scene by himself and there were a number of people there on the scene. But, in the police report, it says something interesting. He says Tatkowski asked to be taken to the ER. And when he was put on the cot, this is according to the officer, he looked at me and said, "this act ought to make a good payday for me, thanks." That noted in the police report. So it depends on who you ask in this situation.
[Baldwin:] So he's on this mandatory paid leave, but the police department, they're standing by him, aren't they?
[Berry:] They are. He's on mandatory paid leave. They've actually turned the investigation over to the sheriff's department because they want this to be, you know, clear you know, no
[Baldwin:] Clear and separate.
[Berry:] Exactly.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Berry:] And they are looking as to whether or not there were any criminal or civil rights violated here with this particular video. But they really said it was important to note the fact that this officer arrived on the scene by himself. He was outnumbered. He felt threatened. The other side of the story is painted much differently. And this video was posted three days ago. It's had hundreds of thousands of hits already.
[Baldwin:] It's incredible just the
[Berry:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] What's on video, what's on YouTube these days.
[Berry:] And, you know, you hear Tatkowski say, start filming this, start filming this, to the witnesses.
[Baldwin:] You do.
[Berry:] Keep rolling. Keep rolling.
[Baldwin:] Wow. Lynn Berry, thank you. Stay on it and let us know what happens to the police officer or the other guy.
[Berry:] We will.
[Baldwin:] Thank you very much. Coming up, boy, oh, boy, have you heard this one, hundreds of teens throw a party inside the mansion of a former football player. Turns out this guy was watching this whole party unfold live on Twitter. Now he is hunting these teenagers down. He will join me live. Plus, a police officer filing a lawsuit against a fellow cop accusing him of quoteunquote gawking at Whitney Houston's body. Those details are next.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. This morning new details emerge on the Denmark terror suspect and a reminder of just how raw nerves are in Copenhagen. This morning police scrambled to the cafe where that first attack took place. Someone had found a letter described as suspicious. Police later dismissed the concerns without giving out any details. In the meantime, a new ISIS linked surfaces. This Facebook page apparently belonging to the gunman shows he vowed his allegiance to the ISIS leader just before the shooting spree. CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson is in Copenhagen with more. Hi, Nic.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, hi, Carol. We've also heard from the Danish ambassador to the United States saying that there is a strong possibility that he may have become radicalized while he was in jail. He had been a gang member. He'd been convicted of an attack in 2013 for an unprovoked violent stabbing of a passenger on a commuter train, and it's while he was serving time on that jail sentence that there's a possibility they say that he may have become radicalized. He left jail two weeks before the attack. Just hours before the attack posting on Facebook the support of the ISIS leader, al- Baghdadi, an indication therefore that he sort of ascribes to the ISIS ideology. But what we're also learning from the Danish Intelligence Services here is they say that, yes, he was on their radar, been brought to their attention, but they didn't think that he was about to commit an attack here. But I've also talked to a man who knew him when he was a member of the gang and described that described to me that environment that the gangs once where he would be able to get weapons would be very attuned to violence on the city streets but where he was finally thrown out of the gang he was in. This is what he told me.
[Iden Souie, Sociologist:] They did a peace agreement but to make that peace agreement they had to throw out some of the members whom they wouldn't control and he was one of the members who was thrown out, and then afterwards, he's become radicalized. Also Islamically radicalized. But I mean, if you ask a normal Muslim, he would say, well, this doesn't have to do with Islam. You have to be used to violence and being able to kill other people to act the way that he has done. He has had this identity before and it's also very common with anti- Semitism in these subcultures. But he could have been more radicalized in prison. But I think what is important to look at when you look at history is after he went to prison and came out, he didn't have anything to lose. I mean, he was a loser man from a ghetto before he went into prison, when he came out of prison he was even more isolated. And I mean, it's not a secret that a lot of young men become more radicalized while they're in prison.
[Robertson:] So what we're learning here is that he while he was supporting ISIS, he didn't actually ever go to Iraq and Syria. He learned his weapons skills if you will on the streets of Copenhagen in these turf wars between the gangs here, learning how to kill other people. And the gangs, they were viciously fought viciously fought turf wars here. But the idea emerges here that he was really drifting down to the bottom in society, kicked out of the gang and just gravitated to radical Islam and that gravitational pull perhaps stronger when he was in jail. That's the impression, certainly the narrative we're hearing from officials here Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Nic Robertson reporting live for us this morning. Thank you. In the meantime, the likely target of the Denmark attacks tells CNN he is now in hiding. Lars Vilks is the Swedish artist who has enraged Muslims with his depictions of the Prophet Mohammed. He was at the Free Speech gathering that became the gunman's first target. Last night he talked with Anderson Cooper.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] For you there is no going back, just purely on a security level, this is the reality for you?
[Lars Vilks, Cartoonist:] No when once you get on the Islamist list and you're pointed out, you cannot excuse, you cannot withdraw because there's no forgiveness. You are pointed out and you are bound to die in these people's eyes. There's no way out.
[Costello:] Vilks became a target in 2007 after drawing the prophet with the body of a dog. He says the attack was the third attempt on his life. A delegation from Egypt is appearing before the United Nations Security Council today asking for help in the battle against ISIS. Many believe the terror group take advantage of the chaos in Libya which could put it nearly on Europe's doorstep. In the meantime, it is a very busy day in Washington in the meantime. The White House is holding a counterterrorism summit focusing on the prevention of violent extremism as General John Allen, the man leading the coalition fight against ISIS, details what could be ahead for the United States as it faces off against the terror group. Our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr has more for you. Good morning, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Even as Egypt continues its air strikes in retribution of those Egyptian Christians in Libya by ISIS, they are continuing to ask for help at the United Nations, here in Washington today we are seeing a good deal of work evolving on counterterrorism countering extremism. As you say that summit going on. A combination of looking at the problem domestically here in the United States and also on the global stage. Today Vice President Biden chairing a panel looking at some of the domestic issues. Looking at what cities in the United States like Los Angeles, Boston, and Minneapolis are doing to try and counter extremism right on their turf, looking at some of the things that these city and local officials are doing to try and encourage young people not to join in with extremist causes. Also that international big picture. What comes next for the coalition. A lot of talk again as there always is about ground troops. But don't look for President Obama to commit ground combat forces to this. Because even as we see ISIS evolving, expanding to Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, it's only making the issue of ground troops less and less likely than it even was. This is going to be a very difficult problem. Every official says this is the real lesson of countering extremism. It's not a military problem alone. It is a problem for everybody to address on so many different levels Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Barbara Starr reporting live for us this morning. Thank you. Americans do seem ever more willing, though, to engage in a ground war to take on ISIS. And it seems like that's the right move. ISIS is simply evil and needs to be wiped off the face of the earth except that's kind of what ISIS wants. A ground war is ISIS'prophecy. It's the end of days. CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen writes, quote, "ISIS'ideology is that of an apocalyptic cult that believes we are living in the end times and that ISIS'actions are hastening the moment when this kill happen. In other words ISIS wants a Western ground force to invade Syria as that will confirm the prophecy." So let's talk more about this with Peter Bergen. Hi, Peter.
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Good morning, Carol.
[Costello:] This is so strange and so frightening. So is ISIS like some sort of apocalyptic cult?
[Bergen:] I think that's a fair description, Carol. You know, Tony Abbott, the Australian prime minister, has called them an apocalyptic death cult. I think that's sort of on the money. If you think about the way that they think about the world, they have an English language magazine called "Dabiq" which is just recently published its seventh issue last week and Dabiq is a town in southern in Syria where the Prophet Mohammed is supposed to have predicted a final showdown between the forces of Islam and the forces of Rome. And so in the in the minds of people in ISIS, they see themselves as the vanguard of a, you know, Islamic army which has been predicted in Islamic prophecy, even to include you're seeing these black flags here, Carol. These are important because there's another prophecy of the Prophet Mohammed that an army will come bearing black flags from an area called Khorasan which is what is where Afghanistan and Pakistan is today. So these guys really believe all these prophesies. A lot of them are not necessarily very authentic kind of sayings of the Prophet Mohammed, but they're saying they believe with ISIS, so they see themselves as partaking in this kind of final apocalyptic battle.
[Costello:] You know, the "Atlantic" had great a article, too. Your article is fantastic as well, Peter. But the "Atlantic" had a really long article about it. And I was struggling to understand it. So ISIS wants this apocalyptic war to break out, right, and then somehow an anti-messiah will come and then Jesus, they say, Jesus is the second most revered prophet in Islam. He'll return to earth and lead the Muslims to victory. What exactly does can you expound on that?
[Bergen:] Well, again, these are one of these sort of prophetic traditions. And of course Jesus is a very honored prophet in Islam known Isa, but not regarded as the savior as Christians believe that he is. And, you know, it's just one more kind of part of this. I mean, there's a reason that the leader of ISIS awarded himself the title of the caliph, Carol, because, you know, the caliphate is the perfect incarnation of Islamic rule across the Muslim world that existed at the time of the Prophet Mohammed. And so they these guys truly believe that they are establishing a perfect Islamic state and unfortunately a lot of other people around the world believe that, too, including the United States where we have seen teenagers from Colorado try and join, go to ISIS. We've seen teenagers in Chicago. Despite all that brutal tactics some people do believe that they are establishing some kind of perfect Islamic state in Syria and Iraq despite the you know, significant evidence to the contrary.
[Costello:] Fascinating and scary, too. Peter Bergen, thanks for your insight. I appreciate it.
[Bergen:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, a train carrying crude oil derails and explodes in West Virginia. And guess where the oil landed? Right in the river. So is it safe to drink the water? We'll talk about that next.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Mr. President, meet the group of watchdogs you were supposed to be running these spying programs by. I'm Jake Tapper. And this is THE LEAD. The national lead. Did you have know that there is a board designed to call out the president and the Obama administration on any policy violations? Well, he's never, ever met with them before today because it was mostly just on paper. Suddenly, of course, he's very interested in what they has to say.
[Paula Deen, Celebrity Chef:] Please forgive me.
[Tapper:] The money lead. Superstar chef Paula Deen begs for your mercy after she acknowledges using racial slurs. Can her Southern pride empire survive? And the sports lead, how I spent my off-season by Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, ducking reporters, answering police questions, as investigators try to unravel the murder, the mystery of a murder not far from his home. Welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. We begin with the national lead. New documents published by "The Guardian" newspaper leaked by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden suggest that the British spy agency GCHQ that stands for Government Communications Headquarters has accessed cables carrying the world's phone calls and Internet traffic and it shares this information with the American National Security Agency. The Obama administration had no comment today, as law enforcement officials continue their feverish manhunt to locate Edward Snowden. CNN's Nic Robertson today reports the business partner of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says he has plans in place to charter a plane to fly Snowden from Hong Kong to Iceland if the government of Iceland agrees to grant him asylum.
[Olafur Sigurvinsson, Icelandic Businessman:] We just want to absolutely make sure that if we start to transport the guy, that he will not that he will be safe when he lands, you know, he will not be extradited to U.S.
[Tapper:] The bigger issue of course is this massive surveillance program. A recent Gallup poll finds that 53 percent of Americans disapprove of the NSA surveillance programs. A CBS News poll shows 58 percent of Americans disapprove of the government quote "collecting phone calls of ordinary Americans." It's one of the reasons why the Obama administration is suddenly out there trying to defend the program. President Obama attempted to do so earlier this week by heralding a special panel designed to protect your rights.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] I have stood up a privacy and civil liberties oversight board made up of independent citizens, including some fierce civil libertarians. I will be meeting with them. And what I want to do is to set up and structure a national conversation.
[Tapper:] So, a privacy and civil liberties oversight board. Where was this panel when these NSA spying programs were being implemented? Well, it didn't really exist, not in any real sense. In fact, the president's first ever meeting with the group is going on right now. President George W. Bush formed a version of this panel in 2004 as part of the executive office on the recommendation of the 911 Commission. Then-Vice President Dick Cheney was awfully proud of that fact.
[Dick Cheney, Former Vice President Of The United States:] Working with Congress, he has created the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, on which Ted Olson is now a member. The president has made very clear that as we fight for our principles, our first responsibility is to live by them.
[Tapper:] But how in the loop were members of this panel? Well, they learned about the Bush administration's terrorist surveillance program by reading "The New York Times." And a report that the board wrote was heavily edited by the White House. One memory signed in protest. Congress in 2007 made the board an independent agency. President Bush nominated members in 2008, but the Senate never took any action. President Obama's turn came next and he promptly dragged his feet. He didn't even nominate anyone to the board until 2011 and his final member was not fully confirmed until May 7 of this year, about a month before Edward Snowden began spilling the NSA's secrets. For years, the privacy oversight panel has had no offices, no staff. Let's go to their Web site. Wait, it doesn't exist. But now of course they're a vital part of this conversation. President Obama told you about this board on Monday and his first meeting with them is right now. And joining me now to talk with these issues is Michael Chertoff. He was homeland security secretary from 2005 to 2009. And he's now chairman and co-founder of the Chertoff Group, a security consulting firm. Thanks for being here. We appreciate it.
[Michael Chertoff, Former U.s. Homeland Security Secretary:] Great to be here, Jake.
[Tapper:] So, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, it was created during the Bush administration. Some members of the board complained that, first of all, they learned about some programs that they were supposed to be keeping an eye on by reading a newspaper, not from the White House, that a report that they did had been edited by the White House. It was not the bipartisan report that they put together. The White House meddled. I guess some things were changed since then. How important was this board to you and the Bush administration during the period you served as secretary of homeland security?
[Chertoff:] When I was at DHS, we actually had our own privacy officer. And that was kind of the department analogue to the board. Our privacy officer was very, very helpful to us. It was important to be able to get a perspective from the privacy standpoint about some of the regulations and measures we were considering, and we viewed that person as an ally and as a valued adviser and not as an adversary. Now, I think properly used, the government-wide board, the oversight board, can play that important function.
[Tapper:] A new document was published by "The Guardian," leaked by Edward Snowden, the NSA leaker. It indicates that this FISA court has rules and it depends on your perspective, I suppose, but one of the things that came out in this document, and it dates from 2007, when you were at the DHS, is that they can hold on to details of Americans' data for five years, and they can retain and make use of information that is called inadvertently acquired, stuff that they didn't mean to acquire but they have. They can use that. Should Americans not be concerned about that? That does seem to be a giant loophole through which any analyst could do almost anything if it's quote, unquote "inadvertently acquired."
[Chertoff:] Actually, I think it ought to comfort people. So, there are two parts to this. First of all, all of these rules are reviewed and approved by an independent court. And if there's a breach of the rules, the court polices that and if necessary sanctions the government. I know some of the judges of the court from when I was a judge, not on that court, and I would tell you they take very seriously their responsibilities under the law. The second thing is, we talk about inadvertent monitoring. I will give you a practical example. Let's say you're monitoring a phone call involving a terrorist overseas and they call a number and it turns out that it's an American number. Now, normally, you would say, well, it's an American citizen, we're going to discard that. But let's say during the conversation before you ascertain who it is they're talking about a bombing attack. Well, at that point, you have the right to say, look, even though I'm not targeting the American, something has now emerged that indicates that this American is in fact involved in terrorism. Then you go back to the court. The court then allows you to pursue that further. So, at each step of the process now, this was true prior to 911 there's a set of rules, there's a set of requirements, and then if someone wants to move to the next level, a court get involved.
[Tapper:] There's a report that Snowden is trying to get to Iceland, although there is an extradition treaty the United States has with Iceland. Do you think that the government knows where Snowden is and can the government, based on your knowledge of its capabilities, prevent him from getting to Iceland?
[Chertoff:] Well, first of all, I don't know if they know where he is. Obviously, if you're traveling and you're transversing countries that have treaties with the United States, those countries could, when you land at an intermediate point, arrest you, pull you off the plane, provided there's an arrest warrant issued by the government. Now, there may be one. It may be sealed. This whole idea of going to Iceland when you first go to Hong Kong seems a little bit odd to me. In fact, it seems odd that he would go to China and say, oh, this is the place I go to get my freedom. So there are elements to this story that I suspect are not clear yet and we're going to see some interesting things perhaps unfold in the next few weeks.
[Tapper:] And the last question. The U.S. and the Taliban are in negotiations right now. I know, as Moshe Dayan, the foreign minister of Israel, once said, you don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies. But there are a lot of people who are wringing their hands over whether or not the U.S. should be negotiating with the Taliban. What do you think?
[Chertoff:] I think there are a couple dimensions to this. Look, it's obvious sometimes you have to negotiate with people who have been your enemies, and now, for example, we are very close friends with Japan and Germany. At one point, we were mortal enemies. On the other hand, there are some people who are off-limits. People who have committed gross acts of terrorism or gross acts of savagery or atrocities really shouldn't be people who are party to negotiation. We also have to be very, very careful about releasing people who are the worst of the worst and enabling them to go back to the field of battle.
[Tapper:] So, if you worked for President Obama right now, you would tell him not to there is this hypothetical trade right now between Bowe Bergdahl, the sergeant who is being held captive, in exchange for five senior al Qaeda operatives. You would tell him not to do that trade?
[Chertoff:] I would say that trading hostages, even though we desperately want to get our own back, is a very dangerous road to go down. The Israelis faced this over a number of years. The problem is when you do that, you're sending a signal that people who are captured improperly become bargaining chips. And that's a dangerous signal to send. You can never say never, but I would be very, very careful before I made any kind of a deal involving releasing very bad guys in return for either negotiating a resolution to some conflict or getting a prisoner back.
[Tapper:] All right. Former Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, thanks so much for joining us.
[Chertoff:] My pleasure.
[Tapper:] Coming up on the money lead, crisis management. She admitted to using ugly, racist language. How does Paula Deen begin to pull out of this tailspin? See her attempt at an apology next. And in our world lead, nuclear winter avoided? Vladimir Putin makes an offer to Patriots owner Robert Kraft, but bottom line, Kraft ain't getting his Super Bowl ring back.

[Blitzer:] There is other breaking news from Ferguson, Missouri. The police there now accused by federal officials of a pattern and practice of discrimination against African-Americans. CNN has learned that's the finding of a U.S. Justice Department civil rights investigation launched in the wake of the shooting death of the unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown, by white police officer Darren Wilson. Let's dig deeper. Joining us, our CNN justice reporter Evan Perez. He broke the story for all of us. Also joining us, Daryl Parks. He's attorney for the Michael Brown family. Our senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin; the St. Louis city alderman Antonio French; and our law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes. Evan, you've been talking to your sources. What are they telling you about this Justice Department report?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, we expect that this report will be made public tomorrow. They met with the Justice Department met with officials from Ferguson this afternoon to tell them what they are about to publish. And really this portrays a department that has deep, deep problems. I'll give you a few statistics from the report that's going to be revealed tomorrow. Eighty-five percent of vehicle stops from 2012 to 2014, the Justice Department took a look at their books; 85 percent of those stops were of African-Americans. Ninety-three percent of arrests were of African-Americans. Ninety percent of citations were of African- Americans. And again, going back to Michael Brown and the incident there, the killing of Michael Brown by a police officer, 88 percent of use of force, times the Ferguson department used use of force was against African-Americans. So you can see that what people were protesting there was something that there was an endemic problem with this police department.
[Blitzer:] Yes, only the city itself, Ferguson, about 67 percent African-American. The police force was about 60 police officers, only two of them African-American. The rest, white. Daryl Parks, you represent the Michael Brown family. What's their reaction?
[Daryl Parks, Attorney For Michael Brown's Family:] Well, certainly, it's finally they get some sense of justice for what happened to Michael. And think about it, Wolf. When Michael was killed back in August, you knew nothing about the background of this department. Now we know a lot more about what was going on in that department, especially when you think about how race played such a big role in the pattern, the practices of this department, as well as the extensive use of force issue, which certainly is something that we claim as it relates to Michael Brown's death from his death in August.
[Blitzer:] So Jeffrey, where do we go from here? The report comes out tomorrow. Then what?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] The Justice Department will go to the Ferguson officeholders and say, "Look, let's make a deal, an arrangement, a settlement known as a consent decree, where you will change your practices, your training, your policies, perhaps your leadership. And then we will put in monitors who will make sure that you keep to the deal." Alternatively, if Ferguson doesn't go for that, the Justice Department will go to court and have a judge force those changes, they'll argue, on Ferguson. So those are the two options.
[Blitzer:] And Antonio French, you're active in the community, obviously. What changes would you like to see? Does this report, based on what we know right now, from your perspective, go far enough?
[Antonio French, St. Louis Alderman:] Well, I think this report confirms what a lot of us already knew, which is that Ferguson along with many other municipalities around Ferguson, engaged in this kind of behavior, which really targets African-Americans and wedges this divide between the community and the police department. What I do want to see is not just a reform of the Ferguson Police Department but really reforming how we police in general in the St. Louis community. Ferguson is one of 90 municipalities, and at least a dozen other municipalities around Ferguson engage in identical, if not worse behavior.
[Blitzer:] Systemic racism, Tom Fuentes. How do you deal with a small police department like this, because I'm sure it's going on elsewhere around the country, as well.
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] The biggest problem, Wolf, is if you hire police officers that are racist, once they're on the department, it's almost too late. The only thing you can hope for there is that the punishment when they behave as a racist is severe enough to discourage them from doing it and, even in spite of what they think, do the right thing on the street. But if you're hiring bad police officers from the very beginning, it's the hiring; it's the training; it's the internal discipline. It's all of those things. And what this report is finding is systemic mismanagement of the police department and by the city officials.
[Toobin:] And policies, too. I mean, when you talk about a police department, Ferguson is not alone in this. Using arrests to make money for the municipality, that is a huge issue, not just in Ferguson, all over the country, where individuals, often African- Americans, are being essentially forced to subsidize the rest of the state.
[Blitzer:] Daryl Parks, you represent the Michael Brown family. What do you think, what is going to be the impact of this?
[Parks:] Well, it's a big impact. I think for all of the people who have been in Ferguson fighting for justice and fighting for some type of action to take place, this is a big step in that direction, Wolf. For the racial bias that has taken place there, for the excessive use of force issues, for the policies and procedure issues that have existed there, now it gets a positive movement on behalf of the department of justice which his family welcomes.
[Blitzer:] And, Antonio French, what do you think should happen to the Ferguson police chief, Thomas Jackson?
[French:] Well, I said six months ago that I thought Mr. Jackson should resign, and now, I think he should just be fired. I think some of the facts laid out in this report clearly shows a pattern of mismanagement and this city cannot heal as long as he's in that position.
[Blitzer:] What do you think, Daryl?
[Parks:] Without question, I think that certainly there should be some changes in the leadership of this department. That's up to the city to do. But clearly, this report clearly calls out for major change within the police department.
[Blitzer:] Tom Fuentes, they have to get more African-Americans on that force, too. They can't just have an almost exclusively white police force in a community that's 67 percent African-American.
[Fuentes:] That's true. Their whole selection process has to come under scrutiny, not only for the diversity and the hiring but character profile, not hire racist or brutal cops or crooked cops. And that starts right at the beginning before you train them, before you go through any part of their career, you have to hire the right people in the first place.
[Blitzer:] Evan, the attorney general, Eric Holder, he wanted this report out before he leaves. He's about to step down. He's got he's leaving in the next few days, right?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Reporter:] Right. He promised justice for Michael Brown and, sadly, for his family, you know, they are not going to get what they thought they wanted, which is charges against the officer, Darren Wilson. They are going to have to settle for this, which is reform of the police department. You know, it goes beyond Ferguson, though, because I've been down there and you can see how the small towns up and down that road and they all basically impose a tax on black motorists as they go up and down that road, Wolf. So, it's not just Ferguson.
[Blitzer:] We're going to stay on top of the story, obviously, for our viewers. Guys, gentlemen, thank you very much. Just ahead, the White House reacting to Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal. Did she put national security at risk by using a personal account during her four years as secretary of state?

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] Nuclear breakthrough, Iran and world leaders agreeing to the framework of what could turn into an historic deal. This morning, the White House is optimistic, celebrations in the streets of Tehran, but not everyone is happy about the deal. We have team coverage breaking down all the angles of the big story this morning. And university massacre, terrorists murdering dozens of students in Kenya targeting Christians, and what the country's president is now promising. And breaking overnight, a sailor reunited with his family after stranded 66 days at sea. How he survived and what's he's saying this morning, up ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Suzanne Malveaux. It is 31 minutes past the hour. Well, this morning, negotiators who just completed a deal to curb Iran's nuclear program is taking a well deserve rest before diving back into work. That is because the landmark agreement reached Thursday at the end of marathon talks in Switzerland is only the framework for a final agreement. But even this outline, more detailed than expected, marks a significant step toward the goal of blocking Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Secretary of State John Kerry telling CNN the negotiations with Iran were, quote, "tough, very intense at times, sometimes emotional and confrontational, but with a seriousness of purpose."
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] We are not basing this on a naive day or trust or some element of good faith. This is based on real steps, real accountability and real measures that have to be implemented, and on accountability if they are not.
[Malveaux:] For more on the deal, I want to bring in our CNN's Phil Black live from London. Good morning, Phil. Tell us what are the details? What is in this agreement?
[Phil Black, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yes, just a framework, Suzanne, but some key details, crucially it allows Iran to continue to enrich uranium, but in a much more restricted way for the next 15 years. It continues to allow centrifuges to spin. That's what enriches the uranium, but there will be much fewer of them. Out of the 19,000 that Iran is allowed to have, only 5,000 will be allowed to be operational. They will only enrich uranium to 3.67 percent enough for civil purposes, not enough for a bomb. Iraq's stockpile, a previously low enrich uranium will be cut dramatically b that 98 percent. Iran has agreed to a very strict inspections system. What Iran gets is it, well, maintains enrichment system and program. One it says it has the right to do for civilian purposes. It is not closing any of its facilities although some will be repurposed. Their weaponizing potential will be taken away and of course, what Iran really wants is relief from sanctions because that is crippling its economy. Relief from sanctions will have a really big effect on the quality of life for the people of that country. That is going to be one of the more difficult issue going forward as the detail is now really thrashed out because Iran wants immediate relief from sanctions. The other side is pushing for something a bit more staged. A step by step is Iran's adherence to the agreement is verified. A lot of technical details still to be worked out as well. So this framework carries no obligation. Nothing has been signed, but the hope is it is a significant demonstration of the will that exists on both sides to try and lock something in by the next deadline, which is by the end of June. This morning, the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov says the chances of achieving that are very high, but even in the event that the next round of negotiations is successful, they must also be the big job of selling whatever deal that comes out of it to the many doubters that still exists both in the United States, Iran and across Middle East as well Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] All right, thank you, Phil. I appreciate that. The Iranians are celebrating the possibility of a deal already leading to the end of sanctions. In the streets, you see there and with selfies of themselves in front of President Obama's speech broadcast for the first time live on Iranian state TV. President Obama is celebrating the deal as well and his remarks he called a negotiated agreement are best option by far. The White House officials, they are also mindful that the hard work, negotiating a final agreement and selling it to Congress and the public is still up ahead. Our senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, has more on that.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Suzanne, President Obama is describing this as an historic deal, but now he has to sell it and he is already starting to call skeptical Republicans and even some nervous Democrats to buy into this agreement. In the Rose Garden at the White House, the president insisted the Iranians will have no choice, but to comply with this deal saying if Iran cheats. The world will know it. He went on to argue that the agreement now in place is the only practical way to block Iran from nuclear weapons. Here is what he had to say.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] Iran is not going to simply dismantle its program because we demand it to do so. That's not how the world works and that's not what history shows us.
[Acosta:] Keep in mind, this is only the framework agreement that was due March 31st. The technical details of the deal still have to be worked out by June 30th. If Iran starts playing games, the White House says Tehran could face more sanctions with military options also on the table. The president and top White House officials will now start working the phones over the next several days. He's already spoken with Saudi Arabia's king and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He said in his phone call with the president that this deal will threaten his country's survival Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] Thanks, Jim. The White House is wasting no time working the phones and trying to sell this deal partly because of a looming fight with Congress. Republican lawmakers are undaunted in their plans to introduce legislation giving Congress a vote on any final agreement. House Speaker John Boehner reiterating his concern that Tehran's nuclear program poses a threat to Israel, which he visited earlier this week. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is standing firm against the deal saying that it would not block Iran's path to the bomb, but it would pave it. An emergency meeting of Netanyahu's cabinet is under way at this hour. I want to bring in our CNN's Oren Liebermann live from Jerusalem. So what is his next move, Netanyahu?
[Oren Liebermann, Cnn Reporter:] Well, in the short-term, we do expect a statement sometime after this cabinet meeting, which again is going on right now started about a half an hour ago. Netanyahu has been perhaps the most vocal critic internationally of this deal. He has been speaking out against it in the last few days, weeks and even months and his rhetoric against this deal has only gotten stronger. In a phone call with President Obama, Netanyahu said this deal increases the potential for a quote, "horrific war," horrific war. Some of the strongest words we've seen Netanyahu used. He has criticized what is in the deal and what's not in the deal. As for what's in the deal, Netanyahu says he wanted to see Iran's nuclear infrastructure dismantled, taken in part, not just limited or changed he says that doesn't happen. As for what is not in the deal, Netanyahu wanted to see the removal of sanctions tied to Iran pulling back its aggression in the region. Netanyahu's government says that also hasn't happened. So what's Netanyahu going to do? Well, he is going to side with his allies in Congress and that would be the Republicans. As you mentioned, House Speaker Boehner was here this week, just left a couple of days ago. Senator Mitch McConnell was here earlier this week. Both of them reassured Netanyahu, especially Boehner who spoke against this deal as well just like Netanyahu. Senator Mitch McConnell promised Netanyahu that if there is a deal, he would work for a required congressional approval of the deal. That is perhaps where we will see Netanyahu working over the next few days and weeks and months until that June 30th deadline. As of right now, we are waiting for his statement after the meeting. We'll see what he has to say, perhaps his rhetoric getting stronger against this deal Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] All right, Oren, we will get back to you as soon you got a statement to read out from that meeting. We appreciate it. Tentative deal in Iran could have huge implications for oil. I want to bring in our CNN Money correspondent, Alison Kosik, to talk more about that. How does this have a ripple effect?
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Money Correspondent:] Well, it really could have a ripple effect. Right now, this is a tentative deal. We have seen oil prices did not crash. The reality is the oil is very important to Iran. Sanctions have crippled its ability to sell it on the global market. Right now, Iran exports 1.3 million barrels a day. Compare that with 2.5 million in 2012. The world has too much oil. Prices have crashed for more than $100 a barrel last summer to less than $50 because of a supply glut. Adding Iran to the mix that would likely send oil prices lower, but consider this, a lot could go wrong between now and June when the final agreement could be reached. Even if a deal with sanctions is reached, it could take months for that oil from Iran to hit the market. It could be why we didn't see oil prices fall off the cliff yesterday because this is still a tentative agreement.
[Malveaux:] It could affect prices at the pump as well.
[Kosik:] Absolutely. We could see gas prices go down if oil prices continue to fall.
[Malveaux:] All right, Alison, thank you. Appreciate that. Kenya is reeling this morning from its worst terror attack in nearly two decades. We are talking about masked gunmen from the Islamist militant group, Al-Shabaab storming a university in the early morning hours killing at least 147 people in a 15-hour siege. I want to you listen to this. This is one student describing how fellow students unknowingly ran straight toward the slaughter.
[Unidentified Male:] We heard gunshots while we were sleeping around 5:00. Guys were starting jumping up and down running for their lives, but it's unfortunate that where they were going to is where the gunshots were coming from.
[Malveaux:] Kenya's president ordering 10,000 police recruits to report for emergency training immediately. He is urging everyone in Kenya to keep calm.
[Unidentified Male:] This is a moment for everyone throughout the country to be vigilant as we confront and defeat our enemies.
[Malveaux:] U.S. says it is offering Kenya assistance fighting al- Shabaab. This remarkable survival story, a missing sailor, 37-year-old Louis Jordan rescued after 66 days stranded at sea in a disabled boat. He was spotted by a cargo ship on Thursday 200 miles off Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. Jordan was hoisted from the ship by the Coast Guard and flown to the hospital, and following his release, he was asked about what did he say to his rescuers?
[Louis Jordan, Stranded At Sea For 66 Days:] A lot of gratitude and love and thankfulness. I just patted them on the back and said thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Let me work for you. Let me do something for you. They said no, you just got rescued. You are probably exhausted. They said take a shower.
[Malveaux:] He might have needed a shower. All right, Jordan said he survived by eating raw fish and drinking rain water. This up next, newly discovered internet searches revealing details on what the pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 had been thinking days before he flew his plane into a mountain. We're live with those new developments up next.

[Baldwin:] Breaking news just into CNN. Al Qaeda operative Abu Anas al-Libi is right here on U.S. soil. He was snatched from his home in Tripoli two weeks ago and taken to a Navy vessel for interrogations, indicted for his involvement in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassies in both Kenya and Tanzania. So, joining me now, senior international correspondent Nic Robertson and our national correspondent, Susan Candiotti. And, Susan, let me just begin with you. How did all this happen?
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, we're going to find out very soon, no doubt, but he is not only in the United States. He arrived over the weekend. He is in New York. He is in this area, and he is expected to make his very first court appearance tomorrow here in Manhattan. As you indicated, this was someone who was picked up in a dramatic raid just a couple of weeks ago. And he will have to appear in court on this indictment that actually has been on the books for many, many years. He was indicted back for the 1998 bombing, as you said, of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Now, of course, he was brought here from that U.S. Navy ship where he had been questioned or attempted to be questioned by a high-value interrogation group that goes after high-value detainees to try to see what information he might know about any current al Qaeda plans that might be in effect for the United States to carry out any future attacks. That would be the first thing they would want to know. But, of course, when he's in court tomorrow, he will have to answer for that indictment of the 1998 bombings.
[Baldwin:] Nic Robertson, to you. Just give us a little bit more context, the significance here, and to Susan's point, the fact that the U.S. may get some key information out of him.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, I have just returned from Libya. I have met with his family, neighbors, been to his house. The sense that they have is that this is a man who had given up on al Qaeda a long time ago, that he was living pretty much in the open in Libya. Of course, it's been a very divisive issue in Libya because it's seen as a it has had a very negative impact on the government there, the prime minister himself kidnapped during the week by armed militias in the city essentially over the fact that he was suspected of helping the United States in pick up al-Libi, so for him, a very dangerous development. But the fact that his friends and that his family say that he was living in the open, that he had nothing anymore to do with al Qaeda, and two government officials I talked to, including the justice minister, told me that al-Libi had reached out to the Libyan authorities to try to clear his name so the fact that he has only spent about seven days in U.S. custody he was picked up nine days ago, Saturday, the weekend before last, in Tripoli the fact that he's only spent seven days in custody outside of the United States being questioned about other potential al Qaeda activity or his knowledge about that is perhaps an indication that he didn't actually have much to offer up or he was deemed to be noncompliant in that regard. But it does seem to indicate, at first flush, at least, that he didn't have a lot to say. Libyan government has said that it respects the U.S. legal system, that it expects him to get a fair trial here. But they have said that they do want him to have a Libyan legal representation here, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Nic Robertson and Susan Candiotti, my thanks to both of you. We are going to take you back to breaking news out of Washington. The vice president was scheduled to be at the White House meeting that would have happened at 3:00 had the White House decided to postpone it, we have learned, so that the Senate can continue to make inroads in the negotiations to hopefully broker some kind of deal that they can take to the White House before that deadline midnight on Wednesday. But we're going to hone in on the vice president's role here in previous negotiations and the current one coming up next.

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Anchor:] From the snowed over suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia, I`m Carl Azuz. And this is CNN STUDENT NEWS. First up today, this. A line of freezing rain, sleet and snow has shut down parts of the South from Louisiana to North Carolina. Several people have died in the winter blast, and dozens have been injured, many of them in traffic accidents. States of emergency were declared in Alabama and Georgia. And the National Guard was called in both states to help people stranded on the road.
[Unidentified Male:] First priority was look for people that were stranded, you know, hadn`t had any food or water and to bring that to them you know if we could if they need to go to a shelter, we try to find out what the closest one was for them, direct them there.
[Azuz:] City of Atlanta, Georgia is known for having bad traffic on a good day. So, when the snow hit, shutting down surface roads and interstates, stranding students for hours on buses and commuters overnight in their cars, some were wondering whom to blame. Georgia`s governor mentioned the forecast, which called for significantly less snow than many places actually got. Atlanta`s mayor said it was worsened when schools, businesses and government agencies all told workers to go home at the same time. He said better coordination is needed. Whatever or whoever was responsible, the roads were rife with racks.
[Unidentified Male:] Snowmageddon in a major city, and auto graveyard on the interstate, semitrucks jackknifed, cars abandoned by the hundreds, other struggling. Over a thousand accidents were reported in the city of Atlanta and the greater area. Look at these school buses, children stranded inside them, nearly 100 children were stuck on buses until about midnight. Other kids had to sleep at their schools. Good Samaritans tried to free cars that had been stuck for hours. Trucker Greg Schroeder had been stuck in his truck for 23 hours when he spoke to
[Cnn. Unidentified Male:] I`ve seen hundreds of accidents. I`m not stuck on anything, I just there is nowhere to go.
[Unidentified Male:] All from a snowfall of at most 3.5 inches and a lair of ice so slippery these kids could play hockey on it. Atlanta`s mayor admits the government was partly to blame, because schools and government offices let people out at about the same time businesses shut down in the early afternoon on Tuesday. [on camera]: Is that how it really escalates so quickly? Everyone hitting the road at the same time.
[Prof. Samer Hamdar, George Washington University:] It does. Practically, if everybody is hitting the road at the same time your demand on the transportation metro could be so high that the corresponding capacity or supply of your network will not be able to handle such a demand.
[Unidentified Male:] In Atlanta, that led to people taking 12, 14 hours of longer to get home. In these situations, one traffic expert says, drivers become distracted by stressful conditions, trying to stay warm, take care of children in the vehicle. They often don`t obey traffic laws at those moments, he says, and at many place a simple lack of driving skill is a huge factor.
[Azuz:] Since 2011, we`ve been reporting on the Civil war in the Middle Eastern nation of Syria. It`s complicated, involving forces that want to protect the Syrian government, rebels who want that government out of power and terrorists trying to get their own foothold in Syria. We don`t know when this will end, but we did get a look inside Aleppo, an ancient city, Syria`s largest city, a city that`s been at the heart of the fighting.
[Freredik Pleitgen, Cnn Correspondent:] Takeoff from a Damascus airfield. The Syrian government packed about 20 journalists into a plane and didn`t tell us where we were going. But we soon found out it was Aleppo, one of the most dangerous places in Syria. [on camera]: The airport in Aleppo has been closed for many months, and the folks were operating these planes, that were apparently the first civilian flight that`s going to land there since it was closed. Not exactly sure that`s a good thing, but we hope it goes well. [voice over]: Local officials seemed as relieved as us, after we landed safely. They sent a welcoming party including the governor of Aleppo. His main focus, the negotiations between the Syrian regime and the opposition in Geneva.
[Gov. Mohammed Wahid Al Akkad, Aleppo Syria:] What we want from Geneva is to stop foreign money, fighters and weapons coming into Syria, he says. We, as Syrians, can reconcile with each other and make our own government to rebuild our country.
[Pleitgen:] The Assad regime wants to show it`s winning in Aleppo. But we weren`t sure how spontaneous these shows of support for the regime actually were, as we toured areas recently recaptured by the Syrian army. Soldiers say they have rebels on the defensive, but the going is tough. "Al Qaeda were the worst people to fight against," this soldier says, "They are Islamists, they see us as infidels and they want to kill us." The situation in Aleppo is remarkable: the city is one of the worst affected by the civil war and yet the streets in some districts are packed, shops well stock. But only a few blocks away, destruction is clearly visible. And heavy fighting continues to rage as we saw when we visited a regime sniper position. The government is very keen to show us the gains that it`s made here in Aleppo, but Aleppo still is very much a divided city. If you look over the skyline, and you are at a very high vantage point, everything to this area here is government controlled, but everything that is to the left of that is in the hands of rebel forces.
[Azuz:] Time for the "Shoutout." The rangers are a special operations unit, associated with what branch of the U.S. military? If you think you know it, shout it out? Is it the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Marines? You`ve got three seconds, go. U.S. Army Rangers are tough soldiers who are especially trained in close combat. That`s your answer and that`s your shoutout. During Tuesday night`s State of the Union address there was something that everyone, Republicans and Democrats could agree on. It`s that Cory Remsburg is a hero. He is 30 years old, a U.S. Army ranger who joined the service on his 18th birthday. He`s one of many heroes from the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and just by attending the presidential address, Sergeant First Class Remsburg brought the U.S. government to its feet.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] "My recovery has not been easy," he says. Nothing in life that`s worth anything is easy.
[Unidentified Female:] Perhaps the loudest applause delivered during the State of the Union went not to the president, but to this man, Army Ranger Cory Remsburg.
[Obama:] Cory is here tonight. And like the Army he loves, like the America he serves, Sergeant First Class Cory Remsburg never gives up and he does not quit.
[Unidentified Female:] His story of bravery and recovery is both incredible and inspiring. Remsburg led a squad in Afghanistan back in 2009. It was his tenth deployment overseas. On October 1, he and his fellow soldiers successful battled off insurgents on the outskirts of Kandahar. But on their way back to base, they would trigger a 500 pound roadside bomb. One of his soldiers, 24-year old Sergeant Robert Sanchez, was killed. Remsburg was tossed into the air by the blast. His head smashed in by shrapnel, the wound still visible today. He was in the coma for three months. President Obama first met Remsburg in the hospital in 2009, visiting several times in his years of recovery. And his recovery is nothing short of miraculous.
[Obama:] Even now, Cory is still blind in one eye, still struggles on his left side, but slowly, steadily with the support of caregivers like his dad Craig and the community around him, Cory has grown stronger. Day by day, he`s learned to speak again and stand again and walk again. And he`s working toward the day when he can serve his country again.
[Azuz:] It`s time for the CNN STUDENT NEWS, "Roll Call". We are starting with the Cherokees of Morgan Township Middle High School. They are watching from Valparaiso, Indiana. Next, we`ve got some Broncos, but not from Denver. These are online in Florence, Arizona, hello to Poston Butte High School. And in Alabama, we are waiving to the Eagles of East Lawrence High School. Thank you all for watching. Before we go, we can make snowballs, snow forts, snow men, but check out these snow rollers. This natural phenomenon was caught on camera in Columbus, Ohio. It`s shaped by the hands of the wind. Basically, a strong breeze bumps up against the chunk of snow, starts it rolling and leaves it curled up in someone`s yard. You can call them snow rolls, snow rollers or snow donuts, they all sound delicious, and there`s snowthing unnatural about them. OK, I`m going to be honest. I`m running out of snow puns, just a thought of bore makes me freeze up, makes my mind melt. It`s nothing to ball about, but some warmer weather would help us [inaudible] some new ideas. I`m Carl Azuz. And we`re forecasting more news and puns tomorrow. END

[Burnett:] Tonight, there is going to be a new king of late night. And now, we are not talking about Jimmy Fallon because, obviously, he spent take time to see how that works. Talent search is gig as the host of NBC's "Tonight show." But is man behind the camera. The executive producer, Lorne Michaels who is the king. If that name sounds familiar it is because Lorne is also the brains and creative mind behind "Saturday Night Live," "Late night with Seth Myers," which will airs next week, and "30 rock" which just finished its seventh season and a whole lot of movies too, remember "Mean Girls?" That brings me to tonight's number which $115,000. Supposedly, that is how much NBC paid Lorne Michaels for his first late night series, "SNL." Now, sure, that was back in 1975. So, the inflation adjustment, it is a lot more. But it is I mean, I don't think it is a drop in the bucket. It is a fraction of drop in the bucket of what he is worth which is now supposedly $350 million. Jarett Wieselman senior editor for buzz feed and he is OUTFRONT. I mean, these numbers are pretty stunning. Talk about, you know, self made through his talents. I mean, personally Michaels won 13 Emmy's, named one of "Time" magazine's most influential people in the world. What is it about him?
[Jarett Weiselman, Senior Editor, Buzzfeed:] Look. No one is more keenly aware of Lorne Michaels legacy than Lorne Michaels. Every decision he makes is designed to either enhance his legacy or cement his place in history. So, he does not feel any decision is too small from casting to costumes to the shows he chooses to put his alumni into, everything is brilliantly chosen and handcrafted to make sure that Lorne Michaels brand continues to be the number one brand in comedy.
[Burnett:] Well, I mean, I got to say, he is the best argument I have heard from micromanagement. They usually tell you that it is bad, you should delegate. Why I think this guy shows the other way. Amy Poehler and Tina Fey, people he has found, right, but they have won best actress. He has had best actor in a comedy in the Brooklyn 99 with Andy Samburg. Best supporting actor in Nebraska. I mean, it is pretty incredible when you look at his resume. You can't say that all of that is luck by any stretch of the imagination. It has to be a pretty incredible talent.
[Weiselman:] Absolutely. You know, I think one of the brilliant things Lorne has done, is he has turned "the Saturday Night Live" writers' room into this incredible comedy workshop. You know, you come and you will be every "SNL" cast member gets to write, gets to pitch ideas and that really turns them into the people who will shape the future of comedy. You come in, you learn from the masters and then you will become the master who teaches the next generation.
[Burnett:] All right, so here is the one question I had. He is going to be in charge of all of NBC's late night which is a really powerful place to be, right? So, is that the good thing or all the shows are going to feel the same? Because I don't care how talented you are, it is really, really difficult to run that much programming as one person and not have it all start to feel the same.
[Weiselman:] Absolutely. You know, the great thing about having Seth out front and Jimmy out front is they bring in incredible writing teams. You know, Lorne is going to be involve as an executive producer but he is not going to be writing the scripts for both shows and "Saturday Night Live" at the same time. So, I think you will have the Lorne stamp of approval, but you won't have every word sounding like it comes out of Lorne Michael's mouth.
[Burnett:] All right. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it. We will see how tonight goes.
[Weiselman:] Thank you. Still to come, the white man who fired a gun into an SUV of black teens faces serious prison time. It is essentially going to be a life sentence. But so many people feel that he beat the system and that there was a great injustice done. Plus, a divers tug of war with an octopus, all of it caught on camera. And speaking of photos, Jeanne Moos shows us how not to take a selfie.
[Unidentified Female:] I do sometimes when I get into a bus and then I have taken picture and I'm like did I just take a picture of myself? God, that's look ugly.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] "OUTFRONT" next, new developments in the Boston terror investigation. The man shot by police in Florida, why did police open fire while trying to question him? And how terrorists are using the Boston bombing to recruit for al Qaeda. Plus, an American woman jailed in Mexico for drug smuggling has new hope. What her lawyers say a videotape showed. Let's go OUTFRONT. I'm Jake Tapper in for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, new details on the fatal shooting by the FBI of a man being questioned about his relationship to Boston marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Ibragim Todashev was shot and killed early May 22nd during questioning at his Orlando home. And now Todashev's father says his son's death doesn't add up. Alina Machado has the details.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Holding photos of his son's body, Abdulbaki Todashev, had harsh words for the
[Fbi. Abdulbaki Todashev, Father Of Ibragim Todashev:] At the moment, I want justice. I want there to be an investigation so that these people are tried under American law. These are not FBI agents but bandits. I cannot call them anything else and they must be tried.
[Machado:] It's been more than a week since Ibragim Todashev was shot and killed in his Orlando home while being questioned about his relationship with dead Boston marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
[Todashev:] It's absurd. There were four or five armed well trained people from the FBI or police. Couldn't they handle my son?
[Machado:] A U.S. government official tells CNN that two Massachusetts state detectives and a Boston FBI agent were interviewing Todashev in a room where there was a samurai sword. According to the official, Todashev who was trained in mixed martial arts suddenly flipped the table knocking the FBI agent back into a wall. The official says Todashev then pulled out a long handled object and came at the agent prompting the shooting. Todashev's family as well as an attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations believed Todashev was not armed.
[Unidentified Male:] We received confirmation that he was, in fact, unarmed when he was shot seven times, once in the head. The best claim they have is that there was a decorative sword in the room somewhere. My question is if they really thought that sword was a threat, why would they interrogate a suspect that they thought committed murder in four hours of a room with what they perceive as a weapon?
[Machado:] A law enforcement source has said Todashev implicated Tamerlan Tsarnaev in a 2011 triple homicide in Massachusetts during the questioning. That source also says Todashev confessed to having a direct role in the crime.
[Reni Manukyan, Ex-wife Of Ibragim:] This is absolutely not true because they can even check the phones and everything. They were not in conversation. They were not texting 247 to each other. Maybe once in a couple months she shoot text message, how are they doing and that's it, but never calls.
[Machado:] An FBI internal review team has been investigating and looking into the circumstances of the shooting since last week. That team of investigators is made up of members of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Meanwhile, Todashev's father says he hopes to get a visa by tomorrow so that he can fly to the U.S. to get his son's body Jake.
[Tapper:] Alina, thanks. OUTFRONT tonight, Tim Clemente is a former FBI agent in counter-terrorism and Mitch Silber is the former director of the NYPD Intelligence Divisions Analytic and Cyber Units. Tim, I'll start with you. You heard Todashev's father in that piece. He said couldn't they handle my son? The agents knew Todashev had mixed martial arts training. Should they have been better prepared to handle a confrontation with him?
[Tim Clemente, Former Counterterrorism Fbi Agent:] Well, Jake, that's hard to say. I mean, in the circumstance and from what we've heard, an agent was thrust against the wall by the table. The individual was reaching for something, a long object, possibly that samurai sword whether it was decorative or not. When you're in that circumstance, there is no time to stop and reason with someone like this. This guy has a history of violence. He's been arrested for assaults and extenuating circumstances, a traffic stop where he attacked somebody over a parking space. And he's a mixed martial arts fighter. You don't want to get into a tussle with a guy that is a mixed martial arts fighter when he knows you have a weapon on your belt. At that point I'm sure the agent drew his weapon according to the FBI's use of force policy. He would have been well within his rights to use deadly force if this individual was attacking him and going anything that may have been used as a weapon. It didn't have to be a gun for him to have been able to use deadly force against the agent and the cops. The cops, their only alternative at that point if they can't immediately contain him is to use deadly force.
[Tapper:] Well, Tim, if that's true, should he not have been in handcuffs?
[Clemente:] If it was a confrontational interview and interrogation, he was arrested and detained, that's possible. But if he was in his home and it was not a detention, it was an interview then it's not customary to put somebody in handcuffs. They had him in a situation that was contained originally and then something obviously made his temper rise and that rising of his temper caused him to get violent. And apparently it happened in the blink of an eye so it's not something they anticipated, obviously. And they don't want to you don't want to handcuff somebody when you're trying to get their cooperation. They're talking to this guy over several hours. He's obviously admitting to things he may have been involved with the Tsarnaev brothers. So it's critical to keep him comfortable in that interview. That's apparently what they were trying to do.
[Tapper:] Mitch, does it look to you like the use of deadly force was justified here?
[Mitch Silber, Executive Managing Director, K2 Intelligence:] You know, it's hard to say, Jake, having not been in the room when this situation happened, but I think as Tim mentioned, context means a lot. Here's an individual who is being interviewed based on his relationship with someone we know was a terrorist and committed the Boston attack. Also he is being interviewed in the context of being involved in this awful triple murder. So the fact that is the context and this individual has a violent history. If he's coming at with you a weapon that could be deadly, it would be unreasonable for the agents to have acted the way they did.
[Tapper:] Mitch and Tim, I want you to stay here for a minute while we take a look at another developing part of the story. New evidence today that the Boston bombing is already becoming a key recruiting tool for al Qaeda, the terror plot is front and center in the latest issue of al Qaeda's English language magazine "Inspire." The magazine praises the Tsarnaev brothers as heroes and encourages readers in the United States to follow their example. As it said on page 17, quote, "The Boston bombings have uncovered the capabilities of the Muslim youth. They have revealed the power of a lone Jihad operation," unquote. The magazine also highlights the attack in London, another recent lone wolf type terror incident. So, Tim, I want to bring you back here. Today the State Department submitted this report on terrorism to the U.S. Congress. The key line in the first paragraph of Chapter One, the AQ core's ability to direct the activities and attacks of its affiliates has diminished as its leaders focus increasingly on survival. This would see to speak directly to what we're seeing in this latest issue of "Inspire," the threat that al Qaeda is now pushing is these lone wolf, home grown attacks. Is this in your view the real future of al Qaeda terrorism?
[Clemente:] I believe it's been the past and the future of al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has never been about regimented attacks although they have planned long term planning for attacks like September 11th. That's not the norm for them. The norm for them is radicalizing individuals and getting those individuals to come up with plots on their own. The 911 attack was conceived of by Mohammed Atta and planning with his uncle and they were, you know, they were individuals that came up with we think question do this. That's al Qaeda's method. It's guerrilla warfare. So a planned attack doesn't have to be something that involves the entire organization from the top down. Any individual anywhere can be inspired by al Qaeda, the movement of "Inspire" magazine, from Anwar Awlaki and his followers. And that inspiration is just to fight the west. It's to fight our beliefs and our way of life. If you look at "Inspire" magazine, some of those articles other than just lauding the Boston bombers, they talk about the cost economically to our way of life by doing these attacks. The increased security, the increased security in the London marathon weeks later because of the Boston attacks and that's what they're really proud of. They're hurting us economically as well as making our people bleed and killing innocent civilians on the streets of Boston.
[Tapper:] Mitch, according to analysts, the explosive devices used in the Boston bombings had striking similarities to a bomb recipe in the first issue of "Inspire" June 2010. The article "Make A Bomb In The Kitchen Of Your Mom." Now the magazine is essentially touting the success of that issue in its new edition. How difficult will it be for law enforcement to stop this type of "Inspire" born lone wolf terror? What more needs to be done?
[Silber:] It's a significant challenge for law enforcement and intelligence. One of the things about the larger al Qaeda plots that we saw in the years after 911 were that there are multiple people and there was communication back and forth between the group overseas in Afghanistan and Pakistan and their operatives who are in London or who were in New York. And that was a way can you disrupt these plots. To some degree, U.S. counterterrorism success in thwarting plots and disrupting al Qaeda core has resulted in al Qaeda deciding to embrace this lone Jihadist operation. Partially it is opportunistic. It's difficult to carry out the complicated plots that they sought to do in 2005 and 2006. So for law enforcement intelligence, now you're dealing with plots that don't give off many signatures. If you're looking for one or two individuals, how are you going to detect them? Unless you're in that location, in that chat room, in that mosque where these individuals are getting radicalized, going to be very difficult for you to detect them. And in many ways that was the challenge in Boston. How law enforcement intelligence going to detect these two individuals if they weren't communicating with some overseas terrorist group and not part of a larger conspiracy?
[Tapper:] All right, Tim Clemente and Mitch Silber, thank you so much. Still to come, an Army sergeant allegedly kills 16 civilians and his attorney says it was due to what the army gave him to inject, our exclusive interview coming up next. Plus, first New York City Mayor Bloomberg and now President Obama, who is sending poison to our elected leaders? And then an update from the investigation in Cleveland, new images of the house where Ariel Castro held three women for more than a decade. And the shocking video of a collision between a freight train and a commercial truck.

[Hammer:] Right now, on this special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "Secrets of TV Crime Shows." We`re counting down top five TV crime show myths or truths. Do the cops really use their guns as often as we see on TV, and just how fast does evidence really get analyzed? Also we are taking you behind the police tape and revealing the stunning secrets of TV`s biggest crime shows.
[Unidentified Male:] It`s not a good idea to lie to people with this much gas around. What are you doing? You`ll kill both of us. Yes, I am, unless you answer my questions.
[Hammer:] So what are the secrets to making the drama behind shows like "Burn Notice" look so real? "Burn Notice" star Jeffrey Donovan reveals all the secrets of the nail-biting CIA drama. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now. Welcome back. I`m A.J. Hammer. This is a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, the secrets of TV crime shows. Get ready for us to investigate the TV investigators. Sometimes our favorite crime dramas feature brave, dedicated good guys. Sometimes of course they feature murderous meth making bad guys. But how realistic are they? We have with us tonight two real life crime solvers who are the minds and inspiration behind two of the biggest crime shows on TV now. They`ll tell us what TV crime shows get right and what they get wrong. But first, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is counting down the top five myths and truths about TV crime shows. As we watch the gang from "NCIS" solve crimes, or Walter White from "Breaking Bad" commit them, it`s easy to wonder how much of what we see on TV crime shows is fact and how much is fiction. Crime show producers do try to get it right.
[Unidentified Male:] Writers in this business are doing themselves a disservice if they don`t attempt to try to find out what the reality is.
[Hammer:] Still, just like criminals on
[Csi-- Unidentified Female:] Sometimes we have to wait for a killer to make a mistake.
[Hammer:] TV crime shows make some factual mistakes too. So, in our SHOWBIZ countdown, we`re investigating. TV crime shows, myths or truths. No. 5, cops using their guns often. Cops on TV crime shows tend to get in a lot of shootouts. Even the forensic investigators on CSI. On "Criminal Minds," the lawmen and women are able to follow up a tense shootout with humorous bickering.
[Unidentified Female:] Are you out of your mind? You blew out my eardrum.
[Hammer:] And now at no. 4 on our countdown, TV crime shows myths or truths.
[Unidentified Male:] Talk about death by chocolate.
[Hammer:] Cops making jokes at gruesome murder scenes.
[Unidentified Male:] So that red stuff is not raspberry sauce.
[Hammer:] Castle is a writer, not a cop, so we`ll excuse his corny crime scene jokes, but what was Horatio Cain`s excuse on "
[Csi:] Miami."
[Unidentified Male:] This is cold as ice.
[Hammer:] Do real cops make crime scene jokes, and are they really followed by a song by the Who? And now at no. 3. on our countdown, TV crime shows myths or truths. Extremely prolific murderers. In "Breaking Bad`s" first few seasons, Walt White`s body count soared well into the double digits. And Dexter? We stopped counting at 30. Do Dexter and Walt even have police in their hometowns? No. 2 on our countdown, TV crime show myths or truth. Crime scene evidence is always found, collected and analyzed quickly.
[Unidentified Female:] There`s something in here.
[Hammer:] On CSI, technicians can locate crucial clues after only seconds at a crime scene.
[Unidentified Female:] Did you notice, for a female [inaudible] was missing an earring?
[Hammer:] While back at the lab, fingerprint matches.
[Unidentified Male:] You got prints?
[Unidentified Female:] Victim`s partner.
[Hammer:] And complex lab analysis take about as long as it does to get a pizza delivered.
[Unidentified Male:] The results of the tissue reveal fluid loss from damaged blood vessels.
[Hammer:] And speaking of CSI, here is No. 1. on our countdown, TV crime shows myths or truths. Forensic labs are modern and well equipped. The gleaming TV crime labs like the one we see on CSI are certainly very high-tech and sleek. But that`s one of the things we see on TV crime shows all the time. Are they myths or truths? Only the real cops know for sure.
[Unidentified Male:] Don`t leave now. The verdict is in.
[Hammer:] Fortunately, my guests tonight have worked to crack hundreds of real-life criminal cases. They are with us tonight to separate fact from fiction as we count down the top TV crime show myths and truths. With me tonight from Hollywood, Jim Clemente, who is a retired FBI agent, now a consultant for CBS`s "Criminal Minds." From Las Vegas, crime scene investigators Yolanda McClary, who solves real cold cases on TNT`s "Cold Justice." Yolanda also inspired Marge Helgenberger`s character on CSI. So great to have you both here. I want to get right to it with one of those classic shoot-em-up scenes, because it seems most TV crime shows, they just can`t do without a big gun battle. This one comes from "CSI Miami." Pretty typical on TV. We get the gun toting bad guy really risking it all to battle it out with the law. Yolanda, the first secret we want you to reveal is this. Is it a myth or the truth? Do the cops really use their guns as often as we see on these TV crime shows?
[Yolanda Mcclary, Crime Scene Investigator:] I would say that`s a myth. They do not. They would age 20 years every day of their life if their days actually went like that all the time.
[Hammer:] I was going to say, I had a feeling about that, because it seems like it`s such a dramatic and traumatic thing obviously when guns are pulled and gunfire is exchanged. That`s good to know. A myth. It allows us to move onto our next TV crime show secret. When have we not seen this scenario, playing out on a TV crime show. A serious crime is going on and somehow humor gets mixed in. This scene is coming from "Castle."
[Unidentified Male:] How does it look?
[Unidentified Female:] Like you waited too long. She was strangled but she went down with a fight. Prelim suggests a sign of a struggle. She took one to the face. Well dressed attractive woman in a seedy motel and a guy who flees the crime scene. This might have been a one night stand gone wrong. Are we talking about the victim or Castle?
[Hammer:] OK, sometimes a serious situation does require a little levity, but Jim, I want you to take this one. We do see it all the time. Myth or truth, do real cops make crime scene jokes?
[Jim Clemente, Retired Fbi Agent:] Absolutely. That`s not a myth at all. Actually, it`s a psychological mechanism they use to defend themselves from the horrors they have to live with every day. It`s very common to have a lot of dark humor in the middle of a crime scene. It`s actually refreshing to see some of that on TV, because a lot of shows won`t show that.
[Hammer:] It does seem a little untoward, but of course you should expect that. OK, when there`s a serious situation like that, people do have defense mechanisms. Everybody also seems to love the TV serial killer. We see the likes of Showtime`s Dexter, we see "Breaking Bad`s" Walt White on AMC, just sort of going about their business, almost without a care. This myth or truth for you, Yolanda, do most murders go unsolved?
[Mcclary:] Do most murders, no. I think the ratio to them being solved to unsolved is definitely higher than your cold cases. But people like Dexter are serial killers. And as we know from the past, we have serial killers that definitely got away with what they did for a while, but they eventually get caught. I don`t think they ever get to the numbers Dexter has or ever will.
[Hammer:] Fortunately. But yes, it does seem if you watch and pay attention to only TV crimes, and not what goes on in the real world, you would think these guys get away with it all the time. Let me move to the next secret. It comes from another classic cop scene. They walk into the room, right away somebody knows exactly what happened just from looking around. Watch this from "Criminal Minds."
[Unidentified Male:] Position of the body suggests he was one of the last ones killed. He tried to escape and almost made it to the exit. Jane Bernie and Vinnie Adev were here. Jane tried to run and Vinnie didn`t. How do you know? She is half under her desk, which means she tried to hide, and the unsub found her.
[Hammer:] I realize they have to cram it all into a one-hour TV show. But Jim, let me go to you on this as a consultant on "Criminal Minds." Myth or truth. Are investigators really able to analyze the crime scene that quickly?
[Clemente:] Well, in "Criminal Mind`s" case, they`re talking about crime scene behavior. This is a process called crime scene reconstruction. It`s not actually the forensic science. That takes days and weeks and sometimes months to do, but the behavior exhibitor at a crime scene, you can walk in there and you can see how they got in, how they got out, what the different movements were. It`s very easy for somebody who is very sophisticated and experienced at this actually to tell what`s going on. The behavior that occurred at a crime scene in a very short period of time. That`s actually not a myth.
[Hammer:] Really cool to get your perspective on all of this. Both of you, Yolanda and Jim, thank you for separating fact from fiction. Thanks for being here.
[Mcclary:] Thank you.
[Hammer:] Now that we have busted the myths about TV`s hottest crime shows. I can`t wait to reveal the biggest secrets to you. Get ready, I`m taking you right behind the crime scene tape to reveal just how much real-life drama is actually represented in your favorite TV shows addictions, like the smoking hot "Burn Notice."
[Unidentified Male:] It`s not a good idea to lie to people with this much gas around. What are you doing? You`re going to kill both of us. Yes, I am unless you answer my question.
[Hammer:] What a great show, seven amazing seasons of crime fighting in that show. And tonight, I`m putting the star of "Burn Notice" in the SHOWBIZ hot seat. He`s got to reveal all of his behind the scenes secrets. This is a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, secrets of TV crime shows, and now the secrets of ABC`s "Castle."
[Unidentified Male:] I`m wondering if my character`s police buddies might have any resources. Well, if your hero`s fictional cop buddies are anything like your real cop buddies, then they`d have real work to get back to.
[Hammer:] Seamus Dever and Jon Huertas play detectives on "Castle," and I asked them, how they make their performances seem so real.
[Jon Huertas, "castle":] First, the pilot episode we got to ride along with some homicide detectives from the NYPD, which was great, gave us great insight. But now we use kind of cops that are local, and homicide procedures I think across the board in most agencies are kind of very similar, and we stick to the procedures as much as we can.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] Hello. Don Lemon here. It is the top of the hour. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. Syria's civil war today moved from an international crisis to also a domestic political battle. President Barack Obama announcing that he will delay potential military action against the Syrian government so that he can seek congressional authorization for the use of force.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] For the last several days, we've heard from members of Congress who want their voices to be heard. I absolutely agree. So, this morning, I spoke with all four congressional leaders, and they've agreed to schedule a debate and then a vote as soon as Congress come back into session.
[Lemon:] Well, the president'decision has already opened a vigorous debate even with most lawmakers out of town on recess. They are scheduled to return, by the way, September 9th. But already, many are speaking out.
[Sen. Ted Cruz , Texas:] I am very glad that President Obama has listened to the bipartisan calls for him to go to Congress and seek congressional authorization before any possible use of force in Syria. That was the right thing to do, and many making that decision it seems he agrees that there is no imminent threat requiring action before Congress can consider the issues and make the decision.
[Lemon:] Let's get to Washington now and CNN senior White House correspondent is Jim Acosta, of course. And, Jim, you have new information about how the president decided to pursue congressional authorization. What do you know?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Well, Don, I have to tell you, the president essentially called a time out in his deliberations over what to do about Syria. This was laid out in detail by senior administration officials earlier this afternoon. Those officials saying that the president essentially was kicking around this decision in his head for several days but not really sharing that with his national security team. They weren't even discussing this during national security meetings. And then around 6:00 yesterday evening, the president came to this remarkable decision, really almost a reversal of course for this administration, which had been really moving steadily toward military action. He decided the go on a 45-minute walk, his administration officials say, with his chief of staff, Denis McDonough, who has very close ties with, of course, where they talked about this idea of seeking congressional authorization, going through the pros and cons of this kind of decision. And then he came back to the White House and announced this to his national security team and then those advisers got into this very heated debate from what senior administration officials are telling us about this course of action this new course of action the president was taking. He then got on the phone and called his vice president, called the Secretary of State John Kerry, called Chuck Hagel, the defense secretary. And then this morning, they all reconvened for what they call the principles meeting at the White House. That's just not the national security team. It's also the intelligence team, people like the director of national intelligence. James Clapper, he was in the room. If you look at that culture, you can tell, people are being brought in from perhaps their Labor Day weekend plans. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, you can see him wearing sort of tan blazer with a pink polo underneath. So, really, I mean, this came as sort of a shock to a lot of administration officials, Don, because this was not something they were really entertaining among their range of options. This is something the president decided to do very late in the game. It's going to buy him some time. But, Don, I have to tell you talking with administration officials, they knowledge that this decision, this course of action, does come with some risks. Obviously, the vote may not go their way in Congress when that goes down. Obviously, there's the risk that Bashar al-Assad could launch more chemical weapons attacks. So, this is a roll of the dice from this president, and it comes with a lot of ramifications if it doesn't go his way, Don.
[Lemon:] Let's go back inside of the Situation Room and talk about what you said. You said this wasn't something considered in their range of options. What was in their range of options, this getting seeking the approval of Congress not in there? So, what was?
[Acosta:] Well, what was in there was the president is seeking to use military force to essentially punish Bashar al-Assad for the alleged use of chemical weapons around Damascus on August 21st. And there's a little bit more to the tick tock in all of this, and that administration officials say it was last Saturday, about one week ago, when people inside the administration had essentially come to the conclusion that Assad was responsible for the use of these chemical weapons. The president was reaching the conclusion he had to take some kind of action to show the world that this kind of use of chemical weapons won't be tolerated. He did not make the final decision to use military force until yesterday, Don. But all week long, the president was very much in favor of doing this sort of thing but in the back of his mind, he was he was wrestling with this notion that perhaps he should have Congress come in and have a vote on this. And that's when he shared with his administration last night to the surprise of a lot of people here at the White House, Don.
[Lemon:] Great detail. Jim Acosta standing on the lawn of the White House Jim, thank you very much for that. We're going to continue now in Washington. And our chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash, joining us. Dana so, this was a lot of pressure from Congress. You heard a lot of members of Congress saying, we want to have a say in this. Our people at home are demanding that we have a say. Many of them are against this. How much pressure does that put on the president?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Corresondent:] A fair amount. Look, I mean, I think you just heard from Jim's reporting. The White House says the president kind of had an epiphany late yesterday after he had been knocking it around in his own head. Well, there were a lot of factors that went into this decision. But there's no question that the fact that members of Congress, members of his own party, and I'm told some of the more moderate Democrats who don't tend to be anti-war said to administration officials yesterday afternoon on a conference call, hold on a second. If you're not racing to go ahead and strike militarily like you didn't do it yesterday, then there's no rush then you should come to Congress and get an authorization before going forward. So, absolutely, there was pressure from Congress to do so. The open question, though, now, Don, is whether or not, obviously, the president is going to have an embarrassing vote or set of votes in the Senate or the House, or whether or not he is going to be able to muscle this through, because already talking to Republican sources who run the House, they're not going to really help the president twist arms. They are sort of throwing up their hands and saying this is the president's decision, this is the president's mission, and it's up to him to find the vote.
[Lemon:] Yes, I'm going to ask you this and then another question. So, yes, quickly I mean, it seems like, the president has put a lot, has he backed himself into a corner here?
[Bash:] You know, we'll know the answer to that after we see the votes. I know that sounds like a cop out answer, but that's the truth of the matter. This is very risky. He really has stunned a lot of people. I mean, look, just a couple of days ago I was reporting based on conversations I was having with senior people in Congress that part of the reason they felt the president was not coming to Congress for authorization vote is because it wouldn't pass. That was before what happened in Great Britain, where the prime minister there had a hugely embarrassing vote. So, it really is still an open question. He's putting his faith, in many ways, his credibility, not the U.S. credibility, in the hands of Congress that has not been reluctant to go their own way even when this whole issue of the president saying that there's a moral obligation or anything else is in front of them.
[Lemon:] Listen, I say this, I'm smiling but it's serious. Every time I turn the television on today, you had some new information. I came at you with two questions when I introduced you. So, maybe it should be the stock reporter or anchor question, what new information do you have? Do you have some new details that you wanted to share with us?
[Bash:] At this hour, not anything fresh off the phone or off the e- mail but I have been
[Lemon:] My panel is laughing because they're agreeing. You always have new information. Go ahead.
[Bash:] You caught me. But I will say to maybe the best thing to do at this hour, 7:00 p.m. Eastern, is to wrap up the sort of gist of the conversations I've had with various senators and so forth who have been on conference calls and in briefings is that even those who are kind of at their heart, natural allies of the president and want to be aggressive and want to go after Syria, they simply do not feel comfortable. Never mind the intelligence that Assad really did use chemical weapons.
[Lemon:] Because of the because the people at home don't want them to go, right? Because of the public opinion.
[Bash:] Not just people at home don't want them to go. It's because they still do not feel that they still do not feel that they understand the president's military objectives and military goals and that even just a pinprick strike is going to perhaps do more harm than good. That's what a couple of senators said to me today.
[Lemon:] All right. Dana, I want to talk to you. Will you stick around with us? I want you to be part of my panel. All right? Will you do that?
[Bash:] Sure.
[Lemon:] Because next, we're going to break down the president's entire speech with our amazing panel. Our senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is here. He's in New York. Also with me is Chris Dickey of "Newsweek" and "The Daily Beast." Fouad Ajami of the Hoover Institution. And security analyst Rick Francona in Washington. Don't go anywhere. It's going to be interesting.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln:] Tonight, George Zimmerman`s latest run-in. Also, a college course that makes students, well, strip for their final. That is right. And, of course, my answers to your questions, whatever they might be. I will try to answer them tonight, but it all starts right now.
[Pinsky:] Let us get started with what we call the top of the feed. George Zimmerman, our old friend shot in an apparent road rage incident. Zimmerman`s lawyer says he is just an innocent victim, yet aggression firearm seems to find him wherever he is. The other man`s lawyer claims that that guy was just defending himself. Take a look.
[Unidentified Female Reporter:] An officer from Lake Mary Police Department was flagged down by George Zimmerman. He reported that he had just been involved in a shooting. The alleged shooter, Matthew Apperson told police, Zimmerman drove up beside him and waved his gun.
[Ken Cornell, Bystander:] "I just shot George Zimmerman. Please call 911." Really? I am like, "What? You shot George Zimmerman?" He said, "Yes, sir."
[Don West, Zimmerman`s Defense Lawyer:] This fellow was taunting and yelling at him, calling him names. You are going to shoot me now? And, the fellow followed him, followed him around the u-turn, and then pulled up next to him and shot at him.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] This is not the first time Zimmerman and Apperson have crossed paths. According to police, the two were involved in a previous road rage incident in September 2014.
[Mark Nejame, Apperson`s Attorney:] This is good old-fashioned self- defense. You do not need to wait to see if a bullet strikes you before you have the right to pull a gun.
[Pinsky:] Joining us, Samantha Schacher, "Pop Trigger" on Hulu.com; Michael Catherwood, my "Love Line" co-host as well as my co-host on KABC Daytime and Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator, author of the new book "Messages For Joey: A Few Things I Need You To Know About Life, Friendship, Money, Love And Self." And, Danine, why cannot he stay out of trouble? This guy finds trouble wherever he goes.
[Danine Manette, Criminal Investigator:] Trouble finds this guy. It is amazing. I have been working in the criminal justice field for 25 years, and I have never gotten into as many conflicts as this guy gets into in like a week. It seems like trouble is always finding him. He is always the victim. People are always after him. I do not get it.
[Pinsky:] And I think he would say, if we were to sort of confront him with that, he or his family would say, "Oh, you know, his life has been falling apart ever since that Trayvon Martin case." Of course, of course he is aggressive. Of course there is trouble. Sam, you are smirking.
[Samantha Schacher, Host Of "pop Trigger":] Here is the thing. To your point, yes, we continue to see George Zimmerman get himself in these situations. I do not understand why he is still allowed to carry a gun.
[Pinsky:] Which is weird.
[Schacher:] And which is weird. And as far as this guy goes, I think that there are a lot alike.
[Pinsky:] The other guy?
[Schacher:] The other guy, Apperson. Do you want to know little bit about their history?
[Pinsky:] Sure. Sure.
[Schacher:] OK. So, they do have some beef, the two of them. All right? So, September 8th, Apperson called 911, claimed that Zimmerman threatened to shoot him dead in a road rage incident.
[Pinsky:] What?
[Schacher:] Then just two days later Apperson calls 911 on September 10th, says Zimmerman was waiting for him outside his office. Zimmerman said he just happened to be there coincidentally for another appointment.
[Pinsky:] With his gun
[Schacher:] You know, and I just think that these two guys after, you know, looking at the research, I think both of them are both hotheads. They are both trigger-happy. And, I think because they are so similar, that is why they continue to butt heads.
[Pinsky:] Mike?
[Mike Catherwood, Dr. Drew`s Co-host On "love Line":] I think they are very similar. They are both insecure chicken hawks. And everyone knows that guy who has to go around asserting himself in these wild outlandish ways like driving into someone on the freeway, screaming at them, maybe even pulling a gun and shooting it. You know what this has to deal with? Both of these guys have their floppy man boobs and their disgusting ill fitting clothes. Maybe if one of them took one moment to actually do something to improve themselves as men and do something that was not this rancid perversion of masculinity that they have, they would not have to be out in the middle of the street shooting at each other.
[Pinsky:] Mike do not hold back. How do you actually feel about these guys?
[Catherwood:] You know, this angers me so much because these are the same guys that get the idea of gun laws brought into scrutiny. And, it is not because listen, gun laws, I understand why people would want to have the debate over what we should do with guns.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Catherwood:] But do not use these idiots as an example of why and what gun owners are because they are just nudniks.
[Pinsky:] All right. Well, we have a lot of nudniks in this country. But one woman that is not a nudnik, joining me from Washington, D.C., Jessie Jane Duff. She is a Gunnery Sergeant U.S. Marine Corps Retired; senior fellow with the London Center for Policy Research. Jessie, as always, a privilege to have you.
[Jessie Jane Duff, Gunnery Sergeant U.s. Marine Corps:] Thank you.
[Pinsky:] What do you think about what Mike just said? That you know these two, what he refers to kindly as nudniks, should not be thought of as an average gun owner and they sure certainly should not be what we think about in the conversation about guns and gun possession?
[Duff:] Yes. Well, first of all, most gun owners hate sloppy gun owners because they make us all look bad. We have millions of legal gun carrying citizens in this country. And, every day they are not running around, causing a wild, wild west show the way this is going on with George Zimmerman. So, my comment would be is that he has not been convicted of anything. But if they should find that he has abused his right to carry, the book needs to be thrown at him full force. Because this is nonsense for him to continually be this the headlines, and giving all legal gun owners a thoroughly bad name.
[Pinsky:] Let me let us just take a little tour through his legal troubles. In 2012, everyone is aware he shot Trayvon Martin. 2013 arrested for domestic violence. 2014, threatens to kill a guy in a road rage incident. 2015 arrested again on domestic violence complaint. I mean, this guy, Danine Sam, you want to say
[Schacher:] I mean how many lives does he get? He is like a cat. It is like he is going on nine lives. I am sick of it. Lock him up.
[Pinsky:] But he is like O.J. Simpson, Danine, in the sense that, you know, these guys do not they show themselves, eventually, right?
[Manette:] And, you know you see, people who have survivor`s guilt, when they survive some type of a tragedy and all of the sudden become very self- destructive. This guy has like acquittal guilt.
[Schacher:] Yes.
[Manette:] It is like now that he has been acquitted for something he is constantly going out there and doing something else.
[Pinsky:] These are words I never thought I would say. After Casey Anthony was acquitted, we do not hear from her.
[Manette:] Right.
[Pinsky:] She does not seem to go around murdering children or getting in domestic violence or shooting guns off or whatever we thought she might have done. Casey Anthony drops out of sight. George Zimmerman seems to escalate.
[Manette:] He is like
[O.j. Pinsky:] Like
[O.j. -- Manette:] He cannot seems to stay out of trouble.
[Pinsky:] That is right. Sam.
[Schacher:] Well, he clearly has, you know, an anger management problem. He clearly is entitled. He thinks that he is above the law at this point because he continues to get away with things. And, I think that is the problem.
[Pinsky:] Also because, well, he has been made an object of scrutiny.
[Schacher:] Oh poor him. He is such a victim. Oh poor Zimmerman.
[Manette:] He is always the victim. He is always the victim.
[Pinsky:] Mike, last hought.
[Catherwood:] Well, I am just shocked that every time we check in with George Zimmerman for all these terrible reasons, he always seems to have some girlfriend. And, I have friends that are muscular and good and like upstanding moral citizens. They cannot seem to get laid no matter what. George Zimmerman has man boobs and kills people and he gets laid all the time.
[Pinsky:] And with that in mind, I will remind you, coming up we will continue the conversation about George`s man boobs, evidently. And, mind you, we are live. There is no ability to screen what Mike says, nor what I say for that matter. We will also be talking about a college class that requires you as part of the final to be naked. Back after this.

[Berman:] Interesting details this morning concerning the investigation into the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri. The "St. Louis Post-Dispatch" spoke with one witness who says he testified before the grand jury. This witness says that Officer Darren Wilson did not shoot until the unarmed teen turned toward him. That Brown's arms were out to his sides, not high in the air and that he staggered toward Wilson despite orders to stop. The grand jury is trying to decide if the officer should face criminal charges.
[Romans:] Forensic evidence confirms that the body of a John Doe exhumed in Alabama is not one of the FBI's most wanted fugitives who was just profiled on the CNN show, "THE HUNT". FBI officials believe the man who died in a hit and run crash in 1981 was William Bradford Bishop Jr., wanted for killing his mother, his wife and their children. But the FBI released a statement Wednesday saying the body is not Bishop.
[Berman:] All right. The Kansas City Royals might never lose again. They completed a sweep of the Baltimore Orioles last night to win the American League pennant. They will go to the World Series for the first time in 29 years. Where were you in 1985, Christine Romans? They won eight games in a row. That is a playoff record. They will face either the San Francisco Giants or the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series. The Giants now lead the NLCS, 3-1. They beat the Cards last night, and they can close out the series with a win in game five today. Kansas City is nuts. I mean, this team was not good for a long, long time. And now, they simply cannot lose. Some people say they are a team of destiny.
[Romans:] Where were you in 1985? I think I was getting braces
[Berman:] I was in seventh grade. It was a good year for me. It was a very good year.
[Romans:] It was good year for Berman. All right. He's a man of many of showbiz talents. Now, Neil Patrick Harris can cross off his bucket list, hosting the Oscars, folks. Harris top to host the 87th Academy Awards in February, following Ellen DeGeneres. She did it last year. He is no stranger to awards shows. He emceed the Tony Awards four times, the Emmys twice to great reviews, by the way. Harris was already part of the awards season, having a supporting role in the Oscar contending film "Gone Girl." Have you seen it?
[Berman:] I have not.
[Romans:] It's on your list?
[Berman:] Yes. But don't tell me anything. If you know anything, don't tell me.
[Romans:] It's twisted is all I know.
[Berman:] That's what I hear. That's why I might like it. All right. Twenty-six minutes after the hour. We are learning more about the second nurse infected with Ebola. Did someone at the CDC give her the OK to fly on a commercial flight? We'll have all the details, next.

[Cnn. Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Right now, reaction to Eric Shinseki's resignation is pouring in. In just a few minutes, I'll speak to the chairman of the Veteran's Affairs Committee in the Senate. We'll get his assessment on what should happen next. Senator Sanders standing by. Also, Hillary Clinton's book doesn't release until June 10th. So, why was the chapter about the Benghazi attack released before the book itself? And right now, a deal to sell the L.A. Clippers for $2 billion seems to be in place but it also seems like one signature may be missing, the signature of Donald Sterling. Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer reporting from Washington. The secretary of Veterans Affairs resigns over the scandal at the V.A. hospitals across the country. Secretary Eric Shinseki met with President Obama at the White House earlier this morning. The president later explained Shinseki's decision to step down, praised him for the work he has done.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] I am grateful for his service, as are many veterans across the country. He has worked hard to investigate and identify the problems with access to care, but, as he told me, the V.A. needs new leadership to address it. He does not want to be a distraction because his priority is to fix the problem and make sure our vets are getting the care that they need. That was Rick's judgment on behalf of his fellow veterans. And I agree. We don't have time for distractions. We need to fix the problem.
[Blitzer:] In a speech before his meeting with the president, Shinseki apologized for the problems at the V.A. and he took responsibility.
[Gen. Eric Shinseki, Secretary, Veterans Affairs:] I was too trusting of some and I accepted as accurate reports that I now know to have been misleading with regard to patient wait times. I can't explain the lack of integrity amongst some of the leaders of our health care facilities. This is something I rarely encountered during 38 years in uniform. And so, I will not defend it because it is indefensible. But I can take responsibility for it and I do.
[Blitzer:] Our Senior Investigative Correspondent Drew Griffin is joining us now. Drew helped break this story wide open. You were working for months and months and months on it. Today, we see result, at least as far as this part of the story is concerned. When he says he was too trusting, what does he mean by that?
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Senior Investigative Correspondent:] He means that he was believing what his own staff and these V.A. administrators at various hospitals were telling him in regards to making these appointment wait lists. Even though that myself, the House Veterans Affairs Committee, the OIG, and the Government Accountability Office, were telling a completely different story.
[Blitzer:] He said in his speech this morning before the formal resignation was announced, he promised several steps. He said he promised to remove senior leaders from the Phoenix hospital, the V.A. hospital there, eliminate wait times for employee preference review so no one benefits financially by manipulating the system. He also promised to accelerate veterans' access to care both inside and outside the V.A. Here's the question, does this begin to get at the problem?
[Griffin:] This begins to get at the crisis over with. The veterans waiting for care, we just learned another 700, overnight, in Pittsburgh V.A., they are racing to get these people in to see doctors. But the bigger problem is, who manipulated the data? Who reported that? And who lied to Secretary Shinseki about it? Those people, in my mind, need to be fired, removed and have more honest people put in place who can give honest assessments of not only what the wait times are but how to fix them by actually seeing the veterans.
[Blitzer:] What do we know about the new acting secretary, Sloan Gibson? He was the still is the Deputy Secretary.
[Griffin:] We know he's a career banker. He has a long history with the military from both himself, his father and grandfather. So, he has a very strong love of the military.
[Blitzer:] He's a West Point grad.
[Griffin:] He's a West Point grad, 1975. And he ran the USO. Well respected. Is he up to speed on all these issues? He's only been at the V.A. since February.
[Blitzer:] Yes, the president, himself, says he's got to get up to speed.
[Griffin:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] But the president seemed to indicate he would not become the candidate to become the secretary. He was looking for someone else. At least that was the impression I got from the president's remarks. Drew, excellent reporting. Thanks very much. Let's get some more perspective now on Secretary Shinseki's resignation from the lawmaker who's very much involved in veterans' issues. Senator Bernie Sanders is the chairman of the Veteran Affairs Committee in the Senate. He's joining us from Burlington, Vermont. I know, Senator, correct me if I'm wrong, you were reluctant to formerly call on Secretary Shinseki to resign. What's your reaction to what has happened today?
[Sen. Bernie Sanders, Chairman, Veterans Affairs Committee:] I'm saddened. In Eric Shinseki, you have a true American hero. And that's not just the purple hearts that he won in battle or his role as Army chief of staff. This is a guy back in 2003 that did something unprecedented in modern history. He told Don Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense at that time, in his rush to war, that occupying Iraq was not be all that easy. You would need more troops. So, this is a guy that has an enormous amounts of guts. He's a well-respected military leader. So, I am saddened by his loss. I think also, I think he also does not get the credit he deserves. Wolf, when he came into office in 2009, do you know how the V.A. was processing claims? They were processing them by paper. If you can believe it. He had to transform that whole system into an electronic one. And right now, they have cut waiting lists in half and they're on their way to almost end waiting lists in the next year. That is no insignificant accomplishment nor is dealing with the horrendous nightmare of veterans' homelessness which has been reduced by 24 percent since he has been in office. So, he's done some good things. I think, in many ways, he was betrayed by people, as he indicated, who were not honest to him. Clearly, right now, short term, we've got to make sure that every veteran on a waiting list gets health care as quickly as possible. We've got legislation that's coming up this week that I think can facilitate that, getting people into private care, into community health centers, DOD facilities, Indian health service. Longer term, not only do we have to bring accountability into the V.A. and end this reprehensible behavior that we have seen, we have got to make sure that in every part of this country, we have the doctors and the nurses that we, in fact, need so that you don't need long waiting periods for our veterans.
[Blitzer:] Did the president do the right thing in accepting his resignation?
[Sanders:] I would have preferred otherwise, to be honest with you. I think this guy is a very gutsy guy who, I think, wanted the opportunity to clean house and make the changes that he now understood was necessary. But I can understand you know, one of the things that's going on, and I hope we can end this, there is a lot of politicization going on right now. The Koch Brothers and Republicans are running ads all over this country on this issue. I think that that's unfortunate. I would hope that everybody can focus on how do we make sure that every veteran in this country gets the quality health care that he or she needs and does it in a timely manner? The other point I make, and this doesn't come out enough, if you talk to veterans in Vermont and around the country, what most of them will tell you is that once they are in the system, Wolf, the quality of health care is good. The problem is accessing the system in a timely manner.
[Blitzer:] But you know, it wasn't just the Koch Brothers, Republicans, at least a dozen of your Senate Democratic colleagues, in the past 48 hours, said it's time for him to go.
[Sanders:] Yes, I am more than aware of that. I disagree. But, you know, some of them are responding to ads that are on television. And some of them feel that way and I understand that. I just don't agree. But be that as it may, my job now, as chairman of the committee, is to work with the committee and the Senate to make sure that we introduce legislation, that we work with the new V.A. leadership to provide the best quality health care to all our veterans in a timely manner.
[Blitzer:] I know the Department of Veterans Affairs does wonderful things out there. But you have really studied this. You've been on top of this. You're the chairman of the committee. How shocking, how surprised surprising has it been to you, Senator, to see these inspector general reports, these internal audits, suggesting that there is really some bad things going on, and maybe, maybe even criminal activity? And here is the question, should the Justice Department, the FBI, launch a formal criminal investigation?
[Sanders:] The answer, absolutely. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am, the Justice Department is already involved in this. If people have committed criminal acts, they should be punished. No ifs, buts and maybes. But I want to reiterate one point here. At the end of the day, we are serving in the V.A. 6.5 million veterans. This is a life and death issue to them. Our moral obligation is to make sure that we have the staffing and the accountability all over this country. Because after the media walks away, you're still going to have 230,000 veterans walking into V.A. facilities every single day. They deserve the best quality care that we can provide for them.
[Blitzer:] Senator Sanders, thanks for coming in.
[Sanders:] Thank you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Coming up, Hillary Clinton addresses the Benghazi attack in her new book. Ahead, the choice words she has for her critics. Also coming up, has the bureaucracy let President Obama down? Gloria Borger makes the case for why that's exactly what has happened.

[Blitzer:] We're here at the United Nations watching what's going on but also, we're also watching what's happening elsewhere in Manhattan. Two presidents, a former president, a current president, they're having a dialogue right now on Obamacare. The former President Bill Clinton in effect interviewing the current president. I want to listen in, but also Ted Cruz, by the way, you see him at the bottom right hand part of your screen, the senator from Texas, he's on the Senate floor. He's really speaking out against Obamacare. He's getting some support from Marco Rubio, from Senator Rand Paul. We're going to listen in to him as well. But let's go listen to this unique conversation now between President Clinton and President Obama on Obamacare.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Providing health insurance for those who don't have it, to provide these health or these tax credits in the marketplace, and at the same time, because we're driving down costs, we actually end up saving a little money. It is a net reduction of our deficit. The irony of those who are talking about repealing Obamacare because it's so wildly expensive is if they actually repeal the law, it would add to the deficit. It would add to the deficit. Now there have been a couple of Republicans in the House who have been smart enough to say we're going to repeal all the benefits so the you know, 20, 25, 30 million people don't get health insurance, but we're going to keep the taxes that Obama raised. We just won't talk about that. And that in that way we can say we reduced the deficit. But, you know, obviously, you're doing some funny business there with the budget. But look, nothing is free. The bottom line, though, is, do we want to continue to live in a society where we've got the most inefficient health care system on earth, leaving millions of people exposed to the possibilities that they could lose everything because they get sick, or we've got little children and families going to the emergency room once a week because they got asthma and other preventable diseases because their families aren't linked up with a primary care physician who is providing them regular care. Where the costs to society for reduced productivity, illnesses, et cetera, all burden our businesses. Is that the kind of society we aspire to? I think the answer is no. And the notion that we would resist or at least some would resist as fiercely as they would or as they have, make this their number one agenda, is perpetuating a system in which millions of people across the country, hard-working Americans, don't have access to health care, I think is wrong.
[Bill Clinton, Clinton Initiative:] The
[Obama:] Everybody, sign up. Go to healthcare.gov. Thank you very much.
[Clinton:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] All right. It's not something you see every single day. The former president, Bill Clinton, the current president, Barack Obama, they're here in New York City. They were just talking for almost an hour or so about the Obamacare initiative which is coming under fierce, fierce criticism, even as they were speaking, on the Senate floor. Senator Ted Cruz, the freshman senator from Texas, he has been railing and railing and railing against it. He's getting some support from a few Republican senators, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, but not many others, at least not yet. We'll see what happens. We're going to continue to monitor that effort on the Senate floor to derail Obamacare, but it's clearly not going anywhere in the Senate. They'll pass legislation approving funding for the government, send it back to the House of Representatives. We'll see what happens in the House. The deadline coming up. If there's no resolution passed, the government will stop funding huge chunks of the government by Monday morning. This weekend will be critical indeed. We'll have full analysis of that. We're also watching what's happening in this U.S.-Iranian relationship in the aftermath of President Obama's speech this morning and now President Rouhani of Iran speech just now. Lots of news happening. We'll continue our special coverage from here at the United Nations right after this.

[Berman:] We have some really shocking news in football. A 24-year-old 49ers linebacker Chris Borland is retiring. He announced this overnight. This guy had a great season, says he doesn't want to risk his health anymore. Andy Scholes with the "Bleacher Report". This has pretty big implications, Andy.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Yes, it sure does, John. You know, this is becoming a new trend in the NFL. Players are retiring at an early age because they fear the long term effects of concussions and other injuries that can occur while playing football. 49ers linebacker Chris Borland, he's the latest to call it a career after just one season in the NFL. Borland had a bright future in the league after a great rookie season, but decided his future wellbeing wasn't worth the risk. The 24-year-old told ESPN, "I feel largely the same, as sharp as I have been. For me, it's wanting to be pro-active. I'm concerned that if you wait until you have symptoms, it's too late." Borland is the fourth player under the age of 31 to retire early from the NFL in the last month. Apparently, Eagles head coach Chip Kelly is trying to break Twitter on a weekly basis. Yesterday, Kelly brought in none other than Tim Tebow for a workout. Tebow last played in the NFL back in 2012 with the Jets. He was in training camp with the Patriots in 2013, but was cut. And since then, he has been working for ESPN as a college analyst. ESPN reports that the Eagles will not sign Tebow at this time. They already have Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez under contract for next season. But stay tuned. Who knows where this is going to go? All right. One of the best stories of this year's NCAA tournament is the return of Kevin Ware. The 6-foot-2 guard is in the big dance with Georgia State two years after suffering a horrific leg injury while playing for Louisville.
[Kevin Ware, Georgia State Guard:] You know, I have been dreaming of this since I had my injury to play in the NCAA tournament again. So, I'm really anxious.
[Ron Hunter, Georgia State Head Coach:] There will be no greater story than Kevin Ware. I am so happy for him because of his story, it closes the book for him on this. He can go back to being Kevin Ware, the basketball player.
[Ware:] It's a once in a lifetime experience, you know? We just got to go out there and have fun.
[Scholes:] Ware transferred from Louisville to Georgia State last year. And you can catch him in action Thursday at 1:40 Eastern as the Panthers take on Baylor. The tournament gets started tonight with the first four games known as the play-in games. Hampton and Manhattan are going to be playing for a 16-seed. BYU and Ole Miss playing for the 11 seed. You can watch those games tonight on TruTV starting at 6:40 Eastern. Of course, the brackets still not due to Thursday morning, John. You have plenty of time to get in and play with us at CNN.combrackets. I saw on Facebook, you're going to go with Harvard all the way? Is that true?
[Berman:] I was threatening to be that jerk who picked Harvard to win the whole thing, just because he can't think of anything else to do. I'm not going to be that guy despite my inclination.
[Scholes:] Kentucky sounds better, I think.
[Berman:] I know, yes. I don't know what to do this time. It's a very difficult pool for me this time, because it's just like Kentucky. It's so far better than everyone else.
[Scholes:] You pretty much have to, have to pencil them in.
[Berman:] All right, Andy. You are leaving me in a stressful state, I appreciate it. New this morning, polls open in Israel. An election that could remove Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from office. What does this mean for the relationship between that country and the United States? Huge implications, next.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Amanda Knox's lawyers are vowing to appeal her stunning murder conviction this morning. She was found guilty once again in the murder of her roommate and sentenced to 28 12 years in prison by an Italian court. Knox remained in America throughout the trial. Of course there are questions if she could be forced to return to Italy if the conviction is upheld. But let's talk about really what's next and how the Knox family is reacting. Joining us now, someone who has been very close in contact with Amanda Knox, her attorney, her lawyer here in the U.S., Ted Simon. Ted, thank you so much for coming in. I can only imagine how much of a whirlwind it has been in the last 24 hours and the last few weeks. So thank you for taking the time.
[Ted Simon, Amanda Knox's Lawyer:] You're welcome and good morning to you, Kate.
[Bolduan:] Good morning. So I know that you had been in communication with Amanda throughout the day yesterday. Have you had a chance to speak with her and get her reaction, her family's reaction since the verdict?
[Simon:] True. We were in touch constantly all day yesterday, and of course also with her family in waiting and anticipation of this next verdict. I can tell you that upon receiving the news, it was terrible news. She understands more than anyone that a wrongful conviction is unjust not just for the accused, but for the victim, their family, as well as society. So she feels this very personally. But while she accepted that very difficult news, she has rebounded. She has shown great resilience and fortitude. And with a great deal of family support, they're going to go forward and appeal what we would characterize as a completely unjust conviction. I know you're familiar with this case. And I know you understand she was previously found innocence
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Simon:] by a jury, not that she was found not guilty. She was found actually innocent, a verdict that is possible in Italy. Yet, there was no evidence then, and there's no evidence now. So that's why it becomes so incomprehensible how could there be a different verdict where there's no new or any differing evidence? In fact, it is even more favorable today than it was before.
[Bolduan:] I do want to get to the "what next", but real quick, kind of on where what this does to her.

[Feyerick:] I grabbed my children and ran. Those are the chilling words from one of the thousands of civilians trying to escape violence in Iraq. Right now ISIS militants are in a fierce fight to try and seize the government complex in Ramadi. Overnight violent clashes intensifying between terrorist and Iraqi forces who say they need more ground help. Let's bring in someone who knows this region very well, CNN military analyst Lieutenant General Mark Hertling. Thank you so much, General. Talk to us about Ramadi and the tactics that are being used by ISIS to gain control.
[Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, Cnn Military Analyst:] Good morning, Deborah. You know, it's going to be a tough fight out there for sure. But I think your listeners need to know that there has been fighting going on for the last several months. While the focus has been on Tikrit, in Saladin Province, the Iraqi Security Forces have all been fighting ISIS in that region. But as they have as ISF has defeated ISIS in Tikrit, some of the forces of ISIS have shifted more to Anbar Province and they are conducting this offensive operation in and around Ramadi. Certainly going to be some tough battles out there. This was what we in the military call an economy of force region for the last several weeks. It's now turning into the Iraqi government's main effort. So they are going to start pushing more security forces out there and certainly the coalition air forces are going to be targeting ISIS targets out in that area.
[Feyerick:] So that's really interesting. So essentially what you're suggesting is that when ISIS doesn't make gains in one area, they simply sort of recombine and move their troops to someplace else. So that's actually a positive thing on some levels.
[Hertling:] Yes. They have become very adaptable in terms of how they are fighting, which is an interesting piece. You never underestimate your enemy. And they are certainly been a little bit nimble in moving forces around. But what's also interesting is it's giving time for Iraqi Security Forces to build back up. They are training several brigades, they put Mr. al-Abadi, the prime minister, in a bit of a little bit of a crunch because he knows he has to secure not only Anbar Province but he has to gain support of the Sunni tribal leaders in that area. That's why we don't see him continuing the fight from Tikrit north to Mosul. He needs to secure Anbar, consolidate his position, gain the support from the Sunnis, show all of the government or all of the people of Iraq that he's actually fighting to pull them together and defeat this scourge.
[Feyerick:] Yet some say that Ramadi is on the brink of collapse. Is that accurate? Because other towns have been in a similar position. But ultimately ISIS had to move on.
[Hertling:] No. I think that's hyperbole. There are certainly members of the provincial council. And I know several of them, Mr. al-Asawi, first of all, who have been screaming the last several weeks for more forces from the Iraqi government. And it's certainly difficult out there as Arwa Damon's report you showed earlier mentions. There's a lot of fighting, there's a lot of refugees. ISIS is in defensive positions. It's going to be tough to get them out of there. It's going to take precision weapons, precision bombings and a lot of house-to-house fighting. But I don't think you're going to see Ramadi fall. It is going to be a tough fight, though.
[Feyerick:] It's interesting because when we saw that map up there, clearly ISIS has more ground than it's had ever before. But you see that inroads are being made and that some ground there, especially in the yellow, is what they are sort of beginning to lose. Kind of interesting there. All right. General Mark Hertling, thank you so much. Really appreciate your insights on that. We'll watch that closely.
[Hertling:] OK. Thank you, Deborah.
[Feyerick:] And of course. And still to come, we may be 18 months from the presidential election, 18 months away but yes, it's already started with a vengeance. What happens when candidates attack? Plus a CEO now a hero to his employees. His motivation to slash his salary and give more than 100 workers a better life.

[Tank:] That's our live shot of Victoria Harbor for you. So, let's return to our top story, the terror attack in Jerusalem. A U.S. law enforcement official says the FBI is launching an investigation, because three of the victims are American citizens. Let's check in with our Ben Wedeman now. He's been live at the scene for most of the day. Ben, tell us what's happening right now. And explain to us a bit about the geography of this area and why tensions are particularly high.
[Wedeman:] Well, tensions are high and have been high for quite awhile, but certainly today because this is really the worst attack in six years in Jerusalem. The last one in 2008 left eight people dead in that instance, but certainly today is one of the darker days we've seen here. Now what happened, of course, was that 7:00 in the morning when people were praying in the synagogue in Kharnov which is to the west of the center of Jerusalem, it's a largely religious neighborhood, when these attackers came in. And of course these attackers have been identified as two cousins in their 20s from the East Jerusalem Palestinian East Jerusalem neighborhood of Jebar al-Muqabr. And apparently one of them worked in a store in that area, so he was familiar with the people and sort of the rhythms of the neighborhood as well. Now at the moment, the Israeli police are in large numbers in many of these East Jerusalem flashpoints that have been going off now for quite some time. We're told that at least nine people have been arrested by the Israelis not for involvement in this morning's attack, but rather because of clashes with the Israelis authorities, with the Israeli forces in this area. So, these are the Jebar al-Muqabr neighborhood is in the far sort of southeast southwest of southeast, excuse me of Jerusalem whereas the Kharnov where the attack took place is to the west of here Manisha.
[Tank:] OK, Ben, thank you very much for that update no the situation there. Let's turn to very different things now, though, in a very different part of the world. To Ferguson, in fact, to Missouri in the U.S. Tension there is also building as the city awaits a grand jury decision on whether a white police officer will be indicted in the August shooting to death of an unarmed black teen. The governor of Missouri has declared a precautionary state of emergency ahead of the decision in the Michael Brown case. Well, there is fear that if Officer Darren Wilson is not indicted, we could see more violent protests. CNN's Stephanie Elam joins us now live from Ferguson. And explain to us just how difficult and how tense the situation is right now.
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, a lot of people are waiting, Manisha, to find out exactly what this ruling could be. And this action by Governor Nixon may indicate that we are getting closer to finding out what the grand jury has decided.
[Crowd:] Hands up, don't shoot.
[Elam:] Protesters in St. Louis braved frigid temperatures, taking to the streets, ahead of Missouri's governor declaring a state of emergency. Governor Jay Nixon anticipating expanded unrest if the grand jury decides not to indict Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, who shot and killed unarmed teen, Michael Brown, on August 9th. Governor Nixon activating the National Guard to assist the county police with securing Ferguson, bypassing the Ferguson police department. The mayor of St. Louis agreed with the decision.
[Francis Slay, Mayor Of St. Louis, Missouri:] We don't know what's going to happen or when it's going to happen, or, you know, what the decision is going to be, or what the reaction is going to be. I think we need to make sure that we are prepared.
[Benjamin Crump, Attorney For Michael Brown's Family:] Michael Brown's parents have asked that everybody who supports them do so in a nonviolent, peaceful constructive way.
[Elam:] For more than three months now, this entire area has been on edge. [on camera]: Are you worried about violence becoming an issue again?
[Max Peterson, Demonstrator:] I'm not really. By civilians or by police?
[Elam:] Whatever concerns you.
[Peterson:] I mean, the biggest concern is that something very small will happen, like a water bottle and that will lead to teargas or gunfire.
[Elam:] Last week, a law enforcement source says the FBI issued a bulletin to police across the nation, warning officers to be vigilant about possible violence related to Ferguson. Over the past few months, community leaders have complained that outsiders have instigated much of the violence. [on camera]: So when the grand jury comes out with its decision, what do you think is going to happen?
[Larry Fellows Iii, Demonstrator:] I honestly can't say. I can just speak about what we're going to continue to do as protesters until we get what we deserve, which is justice.
[Elam:] And with that in mind the protesters I spoke with yesterday at that very rally saying that they are not going to stop no matter the decision is about Officer Wilson. As for residents in this small town of Ferguson, they're on edge and they're hoping that whatever happens it's done peacefully and that they can go on with their lives, Manisha.
[Tank:] Yeah, I'm sure that's a view that's a view that's echoed right across the U.S.as well. Stephanie, thank you so much. Stephanie Elam there live for us in Ferguson. Coming up here on News Stream, a look at the children left behind by Syria's bloody civil war. After the break, we go inside one orphanage that's trying to change the status quo for these little victims caught in the crossfire.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] As Boko Haram's leader praises the terror attack in France there is a jaw-dropping view of its most destructive attack yet. The Boko Haram attack happened nearly two weeks ago in the Northern Nigeria town of Baga or Baga and the surrounding villages. But we are only now just starting to get a picture of the devastation. This is a satellite picture from Amnesty International. It was released today, but it was taken on January 2nd. And in it you can see the homes and the businesses and just to make this clearer the photos have actually been processed. So as you look at this, these are the before pictures. And the red areas indicate normal and healthy vegetation. But if you look at the after picture it is quite alarming, look at the difference. That was taken January 7th and you can see the village of Doron Baga was nearly wiped off the map completely. Keep in mind some people did get away in this attack. Others took refuge in their homes. But they were burned to death inside those homes. Local officials are reporting death tolls that ranged from the hundreds to as many as 2,000. And now look at the images side by side. Amnesty International says this resulted in more than 3,700 structures being damaged or destroyed. Senior International Correspondent Nic Robertson joins me now live from Northern Nigeria and CNN is the only network live in this area. And our Terrorism Expert Brian Jenkins is back with us as well. So Nic perhaps you could just update us on what exactly is happening and why it's so difficult to get an accurate count of exactly how many people died in this.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Sure, we got 20,000 to 30,000 people were forced to flee in that area. And because they've left there is somebody [inaudible] there who can independently verify OK who died, who was killed are they all have been count because people have scattered over a wide area. But also the fact that the main army military outpost there was overrun, there's many of the soldiers killed. Many of the others fled. So there's no sort of government authority there are to again make that kind of assessment. And it's remote and it's sort of in the one of the heartless too places in the country. I mean, not just a long way away but the roads begin to break down out there as well. So that's [inaudible] to get that information. But we've been talking to soldiers here who are in the fight against Boko Haram, normally you would expect an army come back again and retake that land, but the soldiers we are talking to, morale is low. They say that the weapons they're giving to fight them [inaudible] bodies turned to weapons and they don't have enough bullets. Boko Haram came into town that day with big anti-aircraft guns, a range of three quarters of a mile. So the soldiers beaten back. They even, they tell us, forced to buy their own uniforms.
[Banfield:] So, if I can, I want to just play this interview that was given by the archbishop in the area and he was reacting to what he saw in Paris and what he's seeing at home. Let's have a listen.
[Ignatius Kaigama, Archbishop Of Jos, Nigeria:] I liked it when I saw the huge numbers gathered in Paris and then they lit a stage from different nations on coming together for a common cause. Why can't we share the same sympathy, solidarity, concern?
[Banfield:] That is It's the kind of thing that so many people ask when they hear about this kind of a potential death toll almost as high as 2,000. Nic what about the galvanizing of that country, especially the government? And can it do anything more to try to stench the flow of the terror that Boko Haram was unleashing?
[Robertson:] Sure. Well, these soldiers we're talking to tell us give them the right weapons and they can do the [inaudible]. We saw today was President Goodluck Jonathan going to [inaudible] the towns where many of the people fled that area where his army remembered to stay today. He spent time with the troops and he promised them that they would get what they need, I think for a lot of people here at the moment feel that that is the kind of a hallow promise and they really like to see him make good on that. But that's [inaudible] the difference between success and failure here. It is the army being able to step up and do the job that they should be doing. But without the backing of the government which they really feel they don't have at the moment, they can't actually [inaudible].
[Banfield:] Unbelievable. And I apologize for our connections to you Nic, it's been hard to make out everything you said, but I think we get the gist of it. And Brian Jenkins if you can fill in some of the gaps and that is this, what we're hearing from Boko Haram, it eclipses some of the worst terror attacks that we've heard all around the world in terms of shear volume and numbers and the kidnapping of hundreds of girls at a time, the murder of hundreds of people at a time over and over again. Exactly, what is the effect of Boko Haram and its terrorist activity on other terrorist groups and is there much of a connection or a potential for emerging of these murderous forces?
[Brian Jenkins, Terrorism Expert:] Well, Boko Haram like a number of the conflicts in the region is primarily a has deep local roots as this reflects a divide in Nigeria between a Christian south and a Muslim North. It also reflects the problems that although Nigeria has Africa's largest population and biggest economy. It also has the poorest population. So the money that's coming into the country is not making it down to the people and that fuels this local conflicts. The concern that we have is that while these conflicts begin as local conflicts, they allow groups like Al-Qaeda to get a foothold and to begin to radicalize these groups even more. Boko Haram has itself declared an Islamic caliphate. Boko Haram wants to not only take over Northern Nigeria, but its ambitions transcend the Nigerian borders to encompass some of the territory of the neighboring African countries in recreating what was once a much greater Muslim empire in that part of Africa. And of course the greatest concern is that ultimately that part of Nigeria like Syria, like Iraq, like Afghanistan will become a launching pad for terrorist operations against the West.
[Banfield:] It's never good news, but it's good to be certainly in the know. Brian Jenkins, thank you for your insight. And Nic Robertson, great reporting in Northern Nigeria, thank you as well. The weak, the young, the vulnerable, how ISIS and other terror groups are raising a new generation of murderers, executioners, and terrorists.

[Costello:] Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy who along with his supporters won an armed standoff with law enforcement well, they're now the subject of an FBI probe. You'll remember back in April the government tried to keep Bundy from grazing his cattle on public land without paying a fee so they had this big standoff which involved armed militia members that lasted several days. Cliven's supporters believe federal agents were actually infiltrating their militia groups.
[Frank Lindysthe, Former Bundy Bodyguard:] People up there have a certain look about them. These are military. My belief is federal agents.
[Costello:] A certain look about them. Bundy quickly became a hero among some conservative groups for his stance until audio of him surfaced suggesting African-Americans may have been better off as slaves. Let's talk about the issue at hand. The FBI and these armed militia men. Dan Simon joins us now he's been covering this story; along with CNN law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director, Tom Fuentes. Good morning.
[Dan Simon, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning Carol.
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning Carol.
[Costello:] Good morning. Dan, give us the latest. Are the armed militia people still on the land protecting Cliven Bundy?
[Simon:] They're still there, you know Carol. The mainstream media left after he gave those racist remarks. He lost all credibility with conservative commentators and certain politicians who had supported him. But they are still there. In fact they are organizing another sort of confrontation or protest in Utah this weekend. But the issue at hand occurred back in April on April 12th when you had all of these militia groups, these militia members come to Bundy's defense. Some of them reportedly pointed weapons at the BLM and federal agents who were seizing Bundy's cattle and so what the FBI wants to do is to determine if any laws were broke. If in fact those guns were pointed at officers, what was the conduct of those members? They may look at video they may look at photographs and they are interviewing sheriff officials, they're interviewing BLM agents and obviously they would like to talk to some of those militia members, Carol.
[Costello:] Tom, looking at you, you do have a certain kind of look. I can tell you're an FBI guy.
[Fuentes:] Do I look like a militia guy, Carol?
[Costello:] No, you look like an FBI guy. That's the militia member who says they know that people like you are infiltrating their groups. I mean would the FBI do
[Fuentes:] That's right. I would do a poor job.
[Costello:] I know. Would the FBI do that?
[Fuentes:] No. I think, you know, people with a certain look that's kind of ridiculous. Most of these people out there know each other and know Bundy and know what they're up to. But this particular case, you have the Bureau of Land Management polices federal lands. If it was a national park, it would be park rangers. But in this case, they are out there and they run into this situation with Cliven Bundy and then Bundy supporters come to the scene carrying assault rifles and all kinds of, you know, almost military grade equipment confronting the officers. Now, the problem with that is that that is a federal violation if individuals assaulted federal officers. Now, that's what they're investigating. The FBI does not want to have this exaggerated out of proportion, you know, make this look like another giant confrontation like Waco. They just want to show that they are investigating. They're interviewing the officers. They will try to identify if an individual that came to the scene did something to either assault or threaten a federal officer. That would be the violation.
[Costello:] So Dan, how long do these militia members plan to stay protecting this land that doesn't even belong to Cliven Bundy?
[Simon:] That's really unclear, Carol. I mean I asked some of them how long they plan to stay. They just said well, we'll see how long things go. They are still there it's not quite in the hundreds when it was back in April when you had hundreds of people there. Now it's probably more like dozens. But these people are very anti-government. They hold extreme views and they look at someone like Cliven Bundy as their hero almost like a messiah. So they're going to stick with him through and thin.
[Costello:] Tom Fuentes, Dan Simon many thanks to both of you.
[Fuentes:] You're welcome.
[Costello:] Let's talk a little sports now. Like a wallflower desperately hoping for a dance partner, it was a long, long night at the NFL draft for Johnny Manziel. The guy they called "Johnny Football" watched as another quarterback, Blake Bortles who he went number three in the draft. And Manziel along with his camp waited and waited and waited more than two and a half hours after the draft started. The Cleveland Browns chose Manziel with the 22nd pick in the draft. The Browns fans didn't care about the wait. They're delighted.
[Unidentified Male:] I would have been happy if he had been the fourth pick. That's what I was telling my buddies. But I'm happy. You got your guy. And we got a great quarterback. It's about time we pick a winner for this organization. I'm tired of losing. I'm tired of not having a quarterback. It's a great day for Cleveland. Great pick. It's time for a change. Go Browns.
[Costello:] That was dog town.
[Brian Mcfayden, Cnn Sports:] Yes, that was.
[Costello:] Endless media-driven speculation about the NFL draft is winding down with the first round now in the books. But one big question remains, will a team pick Michael Sam an openly gay player? Brian McFayden of CNN Sports is here to talk about it and joining us on the phone, former Minnesota Vikings punter, Chris Kluwe. Welcome to both of you.
[Mcfayden:] Thank you. Thanks for having me on.
[Chris Kluwe, Former Nfl Player:] Hey. Thanks for having me on.
[Costello:] Hi, Chris. So Chris, I'll start with you. What do you think will happen to Sam? Do you think people are receptive?
[Kluwe:] You know, I think Michael Sam has a good chance of going in the third to fifth rounds which is where he was projected because even though there are going to be quite a few NFL teams who kind of scratch him off because he happens to be gay, there will be several who won't. And he can help their team. He's a project player. And those guys traditionally have gone in the third to fifth rounds which is where Michael Sam should go.
[Costello:] So Brian, have you heard any talk among players or team owners about Michael Sam?
[Mcfayden:] The players all support him. What I've seen on social media and also through the media is that all the players, they do support him. It's not about his sexuality. It's about his performance. He had a poor performance during the NFL combine and other NFL draft days or not draft days but pro player days. The only thing is he's a little undersized. First of all, he's a co-defensive SEC Player of the Year. I mean you're that good. He's definitely going to get signed by somebody. Will he get drafted? Who is to say? But he will get picked up as a free agent for sure.
[Costello:] So Chris, in those combines, I mean the pressure is on this kid like I can't even imagine that.
[Kluwe:] Yes. And I think it's interesting I think there's almost kind of a double standard here because we hear about other players who have had bad pro dates who have had bad combines and people say, you know, look at his game film. That's all that's important. Look at the game film. And yes, having a bad pro day can cause your draft status to slip a little but at the end of the day it's about how you play on the field. Michael Sam showed last year that he can play on the field.
[Costello:] Yes. And I honestly think, Brian, fans don't care one way or another whether Michael Sam is gay.
[Mcfayden:] Especially in the world that we live in now, nobody cares. It's all about the performance on the field. If he's that's good, I want him on my team.
[Costello:] Chris, have we come a long, long way or is Michael Sam going to test the waters even further and we'll find out maybe something bad?
[Kluwe:] I mean we definitely have made progress but there's still plenty to go. Like I said, it won't be it won't be a non-issue. That's horrible English. It will no longer be an issue until Michael Sam is accepted by all 32 teams and not just five or six teams that are willing to take a chance on him now.
[Costello:] So I say good luck to Michael Sam. I would like to just touch on the NFL draft in general now because it's an endless process now.
[Mcfayden:] It's a spectacle for sure.
[Costello:] It is.
[Mcfayden:] Absolutely. I mean yesterday I think it was like the highest ratings in a very, very long time. The way they even introduced players that come out on the stage, everyone is getting all dressed up to the nines just to come to the NFL draft but yes, it's something to watch for sure and over the next few days.
[Costello:] Chris, were you surprised that Johnny Manziel, Johnny Football, went in the 22nd round?
[Kluwe:] No. I think that's one of those things where probably teams looked at his college experience and just the reports of him, you know, partying and going out and stuff. They're like, OK, we know he's a good quarterback and we know he can play. But is he going to be totally committed when he gets to the NFL. And I think there were just teams that they weren't willing to spend a higher pick because they felt they had guys that they need to contribute more but at the end of the day a team that wants a quarterback is definitely going to go get him because he's a good quarterback.
[Costello:] And the Cleveland Browns, they have been yearning for a good quarterback.
[Mcfayden:] For decades they have been yearning. Not since Bernie Kosar have the fans been this excited about a player coming in especially donning those colors.
[Costello:] Yes. I grew up a Browns fan and I love Bernie Kosar. Sad times for Bernie Kosar right now but I'm hopeful for the Cleveland Browns. Chris Kluwe, thank you so much for being with us. I sure appreciate it. And Brian, thanks to you but you're here all the time so I don't even need to thank you but thanks for being here.
[Mcfayden:] Thanks for having me on.
[Costello:] Anytime. Thank you for joining me today. I'm Carol Costello. "@THIS HOUR WITH BERMAN AND MICHAELA" starts now.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn:] Jealousy is what may have fueled Donald Sterling's racist rant. New audio, new audio leaked once again, posted on RadarOnline is said to be Sterling explaining himself to an unknown man.

[Burnett:] Tonight, one of the world's most mysterious figures has an idea that puts average Americans on the same footing as celebrities. Ivan Watson is OUTFRONT with a story.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Correspondent:] The British street artist Banksy strikes again, the idea of bringing art to the people in unexpected way. This time on a random street corner in Queens, New York. Within hours, fans of all ages posed next to a stencil quoting Russell Crowe's sword-fighting general from the Hollywood blockbuster "Gladiator." "What we do in life echoes in eternity."
[Bea Mcmonagle, Banksy Fan:] Historical in many ways. She could say she got a photo taken in front of an original Banksy that's no longer in existence.
[Watson:] Banksy is famous for being anonymous. Surprising audiences with his politically themed art, which pops up on buildings in cities around the world, including here on his Israeli security walls in the occupied West Bank. [on camera]: Within hours, Banksy has turned this street corner in the neighborhood in Queens into an open air art exhibit, of sorts. The irony is just a few days ago, fans could have bought one of his original canvass for just $60. [voice-over]: On Sunday, Banksy unveiled this photo, showing an elderly, unidentified man selling his stencils along New York's Central Park. He waited all day, yet only three people bought Banksy's art for a total of just $420. Bargain-basement prices in the high priced world of art.
[Alex Benrimon, Artnet.com:] I think this was to poke fun at collectors and different buyers of his works.
[Watson:] People like you.
[Benrimon:] Exactly.
[Watson:] Alex Benrimon is a collector who plans to auction off earlier Banksy art works for tens of thousands of dollars apiece.
[Benrimon:] He is always accessible, open to the public, just doing things for the city, the culture.
[Watson:] Every day this month, Banksy has said he will unveil the new piece of art in New York. The authenticity confirmed on his Web site. This truck full of puppet animals in the meat packing district, another example. But missing the opportunity to buy Banksy's art for next to nothing is driving some of his most loyal fans crazy.
[Jacqueline Hadel, Banksy Fan:] I think Banksy is brilliant. I think he really made a statement yesterday. So
[Watson:] But you're kicking yourself?
[Hadel:] Big time.
[Watson:] And you love this guy?
[Hadel:] Yes.
[Watson:] For OUTFRONT, I'm Ivan Watson.
[Burnett:] A neat idea, indeed, and a way to sort of make something pretty expensive available to everyone. "AC360" starts right now.

[Rivers:] When I was 21, my mother said, only a doctor for you. When I was 22, she said, all right a lawyer, CPA. Twenty-four, she said, well, grab a dentist. At 26, she said, anything. If he can make it to the door, he was mine, you know? What do you mean you don't like him? He's intelligent. He found the bell himself. What do you want?
[Pereira:] A great, great Joan Rivers. The world has certainly lost one of our great comedians. Joan Rivers being remembered this morning for her sharp-tongued brilliance. Her funeral will be held Sunday in New York. The 81-year-old Rivers died Thursday, a week after going in a cardiac and respiratory arrest during an outpatient medical procedure. Her death is now under investigation. Nischelle Turner is here with more on this incredible life. Those are the early days on stage when she was just killing it.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] Career spanning five decade. Not many like her in this world. Probably won't be many like her again, but it is sad that her death is surrounded by so many questions this morning. Her family, her loved one and the fans though are desperate to know what went wrong at that clinic.
[Turner:] This morning, two investigations into the death of legendary comedian Joan Rivers now under way. New York state officials launching a full investigation into the outpatient clinic where the Tony-nominated star went into cardiac arrest during a throat procedure last week. Rivers was then rushed to Mt. Sinai Hospital where she remained on life support until she passed peacefully Thursday, according to her daughter, Melissa Rivers.
[Unidentified Female:] We're so sorry.
[Turner:] Medical examiners also requesting an autopsy as questions are raised as to why an 81-year-old in fine feisty form just the night before doing an hour-long standup event would suddenly stop breathing.
[Rivers:] Enjoy your bodies now. Add a brassiere, this is how I go to the bathroom
[Turner:] The Emmy-winning comedian showed no signs of slowing down
[Rivers:] Yes, you have to wear dead animals because I tried and live ones bite. You must wear dead
[Turner:] ever since her debut on "The Johnny Carson Show" in 1965.
[Rivers:] I never cook when I was single because I figured if the Lord wanted a woman to cook, he'd give her aluminum hands.
[Turner:] Her career skyrocketing throughout the decades.
[Unidentified Male:] Here's Joan Rivers.
[Turner:] Becoming the first and only woman to host a network nightly talk show.
[Rivers:] You're still a pig, lose more weight.
[Jimmy Fallon, "the Tonight Show":] She hadn't done "The Tonight Show" in I would say over 26 yeas.
[Turner:] Current host Jimmy Fallon tearing up, remembering the first time she returned to "The Tonight Show."
[Fallon:] She came out and she came over to me, and she started crying and gave me a kiss. It was really emotional and really nice.
[Turner:] Rivers, a trailblazer for female comics who poured out in remembrance.
[Kathy Griffin, Comedian:] I owe my career to her, no doubt about it.
[Turner:] Fellow comedian Kathy Griffin breaking down on Anderson Cooper after he played this clip about a woman who says she never wanted to stop making people laugh.
[Rivers:] I'll show you fear. That's fear. If my book ever looked like this, it would mean that nobody wants me, that every I ever tried to do in life didn't work, nobody cared and I've been totally forgotten.
[Turner:] At the Hollywood Walk of Fame, her legions of fans prove the iconic comedian's fears were misplaced.
[Rivers:] If anything happens, Melissa
[Turner:] In 2012, Rivers' humor took a serious turn with her daughter. Before undergoing plastic surgery, she assured Melissa that if anything happens, her time was well spent.
[Rivers:] I've had an amazing life. If it ended right now, amazing life, and life is so much fun. It's one big movie.
[Turner:] All right. Joan Rivers is still the number one trending topic on Twitter this morning. And Joan, even at 81, was big on social media. Her Twitter profile, because we all have one, says a simple girl with a dream, and I would say a vibrant career spanning five decades, Ms. Joan, your dream was fulfilled.
[Pereira:] Well said, Nischelle, well said. My goodness. And, of course, all of you out there have a favorite memory of the comedian Joan Rivers, her fashion, a favorite joke. Let us know. Go to our Facebook page, Facebook.comNewDay. Nischelle, thanks so much for a beautiful look at her life. Chris?
[Cuomo:] Let's get something a little bit you know, something a little
[Bolduan:] A little different.
[Cuomo:] A little cheerier this morning because it's going to be a tough morning having known of the Joan Rivers loss. We'll talk some sports. All right? Last night, we had the kickoff of the season. Super Bowl champion Seahawks taking on Packers. Green Bay is supposed to be a strong team as well but the Seahawks did
[Bolduan:] Didn't look so strong.
[Cuomo:] Well, the Seahawks were just so strong.
[Bolduan:] Yes, I was going to say.
[Cuomo:] Brian Mcfayden has more in this morning's bleacher report. I mean, Seahawks looked like the Jets, they looked so good.
[Brian Mcfayden, Bleacher Report:] Oh, man!
[Bolduan:] What? He's been drinking this morning already.
[Mcfayden:] Good morning, Chris and Kate. The Seahawks they started where they left off last year, by blowing out the competition. The Seahawks and the NFL put on quite a performance last night. Pharrell performed the pre-game concert, and Seattle unveiled their Super Bowl banner in front of the rabid home crowd on the field. It was all Seahawks. They dominated both side of the ball. Packers never really had a chance in this one. Seattle wins it big, 36-16. It was a close one for Roger Federer going for his 18th career grand slam title and need to get by super talented 20th seed Gael Monfils. Monfils, by the way, hadn't dropped a set of this year's U.S. Open. It took Federer all five sets for the win and is now two more wins away to capture his sixth U.S. Open title guys.
[Cuomo:] Amazing.
[Bolduan:] Yes, no kidding. Good stuff.
[Cuomo:] Seahawks look great, but that's why Roger Federer is making the case to be the best ever.
[Bolduan:] One of the best of the best. Thanks so much, Brian. Eliminating the threat from ISIS it's been a primary focus of the NATO Summit. But can it be done without American ground troops? What one military commander is saying what he thinks should happen, coming up next.

[Cathy Thomas, Mother Of Thomas Kelly:] Part of me died that night with Kelly. Part of me died that night. Part of me died in court.
[Ron Thomas, Father Of Thomas Kelly:] I can finally start a little bit of closure. It's not what I wanted. But I haven't even grieved for my son, I have been so on one track only. And it's time I do all of that.
[Banfield:] According to the "Los Angeles Times," the FBI is now saying that it is going to review all of this evidence to see if any kind of further investigation may be necessary now that that court case in California is done. And I am joined by our legal analysts, Danny Cevallos and Lisa Bloom. So, Lisa, let me begin with you. The FBI is getting involved. What might be up their sleeve?
[Lisa Bloom, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Maybe some civil rights charges. It reminds me very much of the George Zimmerman case, where there is an acquittal, a lot of people dissatisfied so we ask the FBI and feds to look into it. The reality is I think it's unlikely there will be federal charges. It's hard to get convictions against police officers. We see that in case after case. Even what is a horrific video like there is here, even when the person beaten to death is unarmed and guilty of no crime, as is the case here. It's just very difficult to get criminal charges to stick against police officers.
[Banfield:] And, Danny, why is that? Could you explain to me what objectively reasonable means when it comes to people who are resisting arrest and the kind of force that's needed for officers? Especially when it comes to what the jury is told?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] OK. So first, the Constitution and the Fourth Amendment does not require that police officers use the least intrusive method of force in effectuating an arrest. So there is no requirement. Secondly, consider this. The California jury instructions on excessive force, this is what the judge would have told the jury before they deliberated, and it's that an officer need not retreat or desist in the face of resistance. Now, think about that. That's the law. And we may disagree on whether that's fair or not, but courts have made it clear, they will look at the police officers' decision at the time based on the facts that he was confronted with. They recognize that police officers have to make split-second decisions. So courts will not engage in Monday morning quarterbacking. Rather they'll look at what was available to the officer at the time. But it's important to remember that jury was likely told by the judge that an officer need not retreat, he need not desist when a suspect is resisting arrest.
[Banfield:] Well, and even though there was all that elation in the courtroom, we saw those pictures, it may not be over if the FBI indeed decides to come down with what Lisa outlined, those civil rights violations that they might be looking at. Lisa, good to see you as always. Thank you.
[Bloom:] You, as well. And, Danny, you too. You both take care and thanks for your work today. And we are flat out of time. Thanks so much for being with us. Make sure you stay tuned because AROUND THE WORLD starts right after this quick break.

[Anderson Cooper, Ac360:] Now, as you know, there was no Dashcams so investigators can't see what happened but perhaps, they can hear what happened. The FBI is analyzing the alleged audio recording of the shooting which someone who lives near by says he just happened to capture wall video chatting. Ted Rowlands has more.
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] It's this critical moment caught on audio tape and it could be a key piece of evidence as investigators work to determine exactly what happen between Michael Brown and Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson. The shots can be heard in the background of an online video chat.
[Paul Ginsberg, Forensic Audio Experts:] It's electronic. It's objective. It doesn't take sides.
[Rowlands:] Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the nine second clip and creative a wave form graphic highlighting the gunshots. He count's a total of 10 shots within approximate three second pause after the six shot. Take another listen. The three second pause could be very significance.
[Ginsberg:] It could be depending upon what the witnesses say they saw and what's in the police report.
[Rowlands:] Several of the witnesses do mentioned a pause.
[Unidentified Female:] They shot him and he fell. He put his arm up to let them know he was complying and that he was unarmed and they shot him twice more.
[Dorian Johnson, Michael Brown's Friend:] And he put his hands in the air and he started to get down but the officer still approach with his weapons drawn and he fire several more shots.
[Rowlands:] An independent autopsy determine that Michael Brown was shot at least six times all to the front of his body. The other four shots heard on the recording could have missed. The man who inadvertently recorded this audio wants to remain anonymous. He lives in one of these apartment buildings which as you could see is very close to where Michael Brown was shot and killed.
[Lopa Blumenthal, Attorney:] He was in his apartment, he was talking to a friend on a video chats. He heard loud noises and at the moment at the time, he didn't even realize the import of what he was hearing until afterwards.
[Rowlands:] The recording could prove critical. Should this go to trial, a tool both the prosecution and the defense could use to bolster their case.
[Ginsberg:] This has a bearing on really everything else. This is a piece of the puzzle that has to fit.
[Cooper:] And Ted Rowlands joins now live from Ferguson. Our investigator are saying anything publicly about this argue?
[Rowlands:] No. They're not Anderson. The attorney that's representing the man that recorded this audios has said that her client has met with the FBI, has been interviewed by the FBI and the FBI has a copy of this audio and is presumably analyzing it, looking for anything significant.
[Cooper:] All right. Ted, appreciate it. Joining my now live, our CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin and Sunny Hostin, both former federal prosecutors and Frank Piazza, an audio forensic expert. I appreciate all of you being with this. Jeffrey I haven't talk to you. What do you make of this tape? How significant you think it is?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] Well, I think it's certainly good for the investigation that exist. I mean assuming that it's authentic and I think besides point that way, it is an objective piece of evidence that will guide the investigators and, you know, help them figure out what happen. I don't think it really I think both sides could use it on. I don't think it proves guilt, proves innocence. It's a piece of the puzzle. The defense, if there is a defense. Well, Officer Wilson could say, look it shows he was pausing and yet Mike Brown keep coming. The prosecution could say, it shows that he kept firing even after he had hit him a couple of times which shows, you know, his aggressive attitude. I think it's an important piece of the puzzle but I don't think it seals anything.
[Cooper:] Sunny, you assuming this is a legitimate tape and again, it's being analyze by the FBI. You believe the pause is significant...
[Sunny Hostin Cnn Legal Analyst:] I do.
[Cooper:] ... because it backs up the eyewitness.
[Hostin:] I do because I think eyewitness testimony alone is troubling because there has been some inconsistencies that I think they've been made too much up. But I think, when you hear the pause and so many of the eyewitness just say he stop shooting, Mike turned around, put his hands up and then the officer continue to shoot. That I think is very powerful collaborative evidence and that's the type of evidence the prosecutors look for.
[Cooper:] Frank, how does the FBI go about authenticating this? Is there a lot of data that comes along with the tape like this?
[Frank Piazza Audio Forensic Experts:] Well, you know, first thing the FBI is going to need to do is get a hold of the original recording and if this was done with some sort of video chat then they have to have access to that account, the person who was speaking the male voice, you know, he has to be able to enable them to get that exact original copy and I'm curious to know about the other side also who was part of that video chat, let's get a copy of that. That at least get a start to knowing we have the original recording as opposed to something that's possibly have been passed around at this point right now.
[Cooper:] Is it possible that there is more on that tape that we don't hear just in the playing of it that there's maybe I mean is there any way to kind of analyze background more? You see that in movies a lot.
[Piazza:] Yeah. You can. There's been a big discussion about the pause in the tape. You know, well I'd be curious to know if I had an opportunity to enhance it and analyze it to see maybe if there's something buried in there. You know, what's interesting, again, I haven't heard the recording fully examine but those gunshots are pretty loud which tells me that the microphone have the ability to pick up other things that might be outside that building. I don't know that but I'd like to have the opportunity to bring that out.
[Hostin:] Yeah.
[Cooper:] Let's play it again.
[Toobin:] I've to say I don't think that pause sounds so long. I mean there definitely is a pause.
[Hostin:] Three seconds.
[Toobin:] But three seconds, you know, in the calm reflection sitting here weeks later.
[Cooper:] [inaudible] in the heat of the moment, three seconds quite wide.
[Toobin:] Right and, you know, in a life for that situation, adrenaline flowing on all sides. You know, I'm not sure ultimately a jury will find that pause all that significant. I mean it doesn't mean Officer Wilson is guilty of crime or not. I'm just not true that pause is all that significant.
[Hostin:] I disagree because I've had cases where there have been police in [inaudible] shootings but shooting and we know that the shootings occur very, very quickly. It's usually rapid fire and the three second pause with the trained officer who was trained to asses threats, who was trained to de-escalate force, who was trained on the continuum of force requirement. I think a three second, if you have an expert to testify about that three second pause I think it actually can be quite strong.
[Cooper:] Frank, how long does examining a tape? The authentication process and really trying to get everything you can from the tape, how long is that takes? Is it a long process?
[Piazza:] It is. It's long and then you would think, OK. So we're listening to what a 15 second clip approximately. There are many areas in that recording that you have to pay attention to, one being the male voice that you hear, another being the gunshots, another being the environment where the microphone is actually making the recording. You have to confirm that all of those are continuous and kind of a linear, kind of way. That's part of...
[Cooper:] So make sure there's not any edits in it.
[Piazza:] Absolutely correct.
[Cooper:] And that's something you can determine?
[Piazza:] Usually the answer is yes. There are signatures especially in visual recordings, recordings that are made with an AC current in the room. I know this is, you know, a little geeky but there are things there that you can identify. There are signatures whether or not this has or not, I don't know. But also as a digital file, there is meditated too that goes with it. For example, the time and date stamp. There are ways to know that if this video chat software whatever it was, you know, is reliable and has consistency...
[Cooper:] So it would have the time and date. So they could theoretically find out what time exactly this was recorded and compare that to the what would the known time of the shooting.
[Piazza:] Oh, sure. It would definitely be time stamped. That's my opinion.
[Toobin:] And, you know, what somewhat of what Frank is saying is the reason I think the October deadline that the prosecuting attorney has said...
[Cooper:] For the grand jury.
[Toobin:] ... for the grand jury. I think that's optimistic.
[Cooper:] Really?
[Toobin:] Yeah. Absolutely. You know, this is complicated and this is just one part of the investigation. It's not the ballistics. It's not any DNA that might be found on the gun. Far better I think take another month.
[Cooper:] We don't even know if they have found all the bullets. I mean we don't know...
[Toobin:] Absolutely.
[Hostin:] I'm sure they have. But I've got to disagree with you because this is not a who done it case. This is not a complex case. I think certainly the audio tape adds a wrinkle but let's face it and you know this Jeff, prosecutors don't want to put on a lot of evidence in the grand jury because that evidence can be use at trial and so typically you streamline your case, it's very easy to get an indictment, especially the shooting case.
[Toobin:] But the prosecutor has said, "We will put every piece of evidence in the grand jury."
[Hostin:] And that is very unusual...
[Toobin:] Which it is unusual but that's what he said and there's going to be a lot of evidence.
[Hostin:] That's why I think this is very troubling. It is not the norm in my experience and I again, think that it is very surprising that he chose to go the grand jury route, chose not to recuse himself and have a special prosecutor and chose not to just bring this, charge this case, bring it in front of the judge and let the judge decide.
[Cooper:] He doesn't say that ultimately all the evidence presented will come out.
[Toobin:] Right and that's a lot of evidence and it's going to take some time and I think October is not going to happen.
[Hostin:] And that's bizarre. Prosecutors never do that.
[Cooper:] Sunny, thank you. Jeff thanks. Frank Piazza, thanks very much.
[Piazza:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] A really fascinating stuff. Just ahead, there may not be so many questions about exactly what happen to Michael Brown if the whole incident was recorded by dashboard camera which it wasn't. We'll take a look at some cases where dash cams have cleared police of wrong, doing or caught them using excessive force, next.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you for joining me. The United States one step closer to possibly launching air strikes against ISIS inside Syria. President Obama has authorized reconnaissance flights over Syria, a mission that could start at any time. The terror group solidified its presence in Syria on Sunday by seizing a key airbase in the province of Raqqa. Now concern is growing in Washington. CNN's Athena Jones is at the White House this morning. Good morning.
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. You know the big question here is just how much of a threat ISIS poses. Do they pose a direct threat to the U.S. homeland at this moment in time? That's part of the big discussion going into whether to call for these air strikes. And there's some difference of opinion. You have Republicans in Congress who are saying that ISIS is determined to strike the homeland. They want to see swift action from the president. We heard from Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel saying last week that ISIS is beyond anything they've seen. They pose a threat to every interest we have. But we've also heard from General Martin Dempsey, who's the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He said through a spokesman just yesterday that ISIS is a regional threat that will soon become a threat to the United States and Europe. So he doesn't make it sound like it's as much of an eminent threat. But asked about the ISIS threat last week, General Dempsey said that can they be defeated, can ISIS be defeated without targeting them in Syria? No. This is what White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said when he was asked about those comments by Dempsey yesterday. Let's play that.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] I think what the chairman was saying is that, yes, obviously you have to make gains against ISIL in Syria in order to defeat ISIL. What you should necessarily do is jump to the conclusion that that means robust American military action is required in Syria to further or accomplish that goal.
[Jones:] There you heard Press Secretary Earnest using ISIL, that is what the White House calls ISIS. But what the point here, Carol, is that it's still unclear whether folks like General Dempsey and others believe that immediate action is necessary and immediate military action to be more precise. Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Athena Jones reporting live from the White House. In the meantime, U.S. and British analysts are pouring over the ISIS video that captures the moments before and after American James Foley is beheaded. And in an odd twist, there's a growing suspicion that the masked terrorist shown, the man with the British accent, is not actually the person who killed Foley. For more on this let's turn to an expert. Peter Neumann is director of the Study of Radicalization and the president of Security Studies at King's College. He joins us now from London. Well, sir.
[Prof. Peter Neumann, King's College:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] I'd like to show our audience specifically what I'm talking about. So when you take a look at this video, and we have still images from that video to show you, you can see that they that this video actually depicts two men. One is larger and one appears smaller. You see the one on the left appears smaller. So it appears to be different people. I mean what do you make of this?
[Neumann:] Yes, so there are different theories. There's also an important fact that of course they're not showing in that video, the actual execution. They are blacking out just when he's putting the knife to the to James Foley's neck, and then they're showing the severed head, which suggests that perhaps there were difficulties with the execution, that perhaps they needed to bring in someone else, that perhaps the knife was too small. I've seen many of these execution videos, unfortunately, and often the knives are much, much larger. I would imagine it is kind of tough to behead someone with a knife that looks as small as the one that we saw in the video.
[Costello:] And it's interesting, you bring up the knife, because the knife that one terrorist appears to be holding is different from a knife found on the ground. We have those image.
[Neumann:] Absolutely.
[Costello:] So there's the knife the man is holding. But you can see, it's a completely different knife. How difficult will this make it for authorities to identify who's responsible?
[Neumann:] So it does make it difficult, but it is still very likely that the person who was speaking in the beginning was part of the group that eventually that contains also the person that was doing the beheading. So if you get him, you are likely to get the others who were actually responsible. There's a lot of theories around that now, but it's very clear that this is a cluster of people and that some or one of them did it, and, you know, they are the ones that are currently being chased.
[Costello:] There's one more image I'd like to show our viewers and it shows this holster that one of the terrorists is wearing and it appears that in one image that the alleged killer, if you will, is left-handed and in another image it appears he's right-handed, according to the position of that holster. And I show this just to show the inconsistencies in this video because last week one British government official says, hey, we're really close to identifying who the terrorist was that killed James Foley, but it appears they're not very close this week.
[Neumann:] Yes, and I think the name that was mentioned in a number of newspapers, for example "New York Post," I always had severe doubts about that because the rapper the British rapper that they identified as the likely person to have carried out the beheading is actually right-handed, not left-handed. That's a clear inconsistency with the video. So I think there are a lot more questions to be answered and I really hope that the authorities know more than you and I do at this point.
[Costello:] Oh, I hope you're right about that. Peter Neumann, thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate it.
[Neumann:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, handing out cars, cash and guns. ISIS makes a social media pitch to Americans and other westerners to join its ranks. We'll talk about that, next.

[Keilar:] First Lady Michelle Obama is raising some eyebrows for a remark about rich kids while speaking to African-American high school students in Atlanta today. Listen to her comments about education during a pep rally.
[Michelle Obama, First Lady:] Are you all still fired up? Are you listening to me? Do you hear what I'm telling you? Because I'm giving you some insight that a lot of rich kids all over the country, they know this stuff, and I want you to know it too, because you have got to go and get your education. You've got to.
[Keilar:] Mrs. Obama spoke at the Booker T. Washington High School. It was the first public high school for African-Americans in Georgia. And as political odd couples go, when former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush get together, well, you might expect things to be sort of awkward, right? But as CNN national correspondent Suzanne Malveaux shows us, that certainly was not the case today.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] Two former presidents, numbers 42 and 43 appear to be best buddies these days.
[G.w. Bush:] First of all, he is an awesome communicator.
[Malveaux:] Asked to explain how their friendship helped launch their scholarship program, it was classic George W. Bush.
[G.w. Bush:] Hi, mom! Anyway Because we got a lot to offer.
[Malveaux:] It was a surprising light-hearted love fest between Presidents Bill Clinton and Bush, that had the audience made up of mostly staffers rolling. When asked what the two former presidents admired about each other most
[William J. Clinton, Former President:] You always want to be underestimated by your adversaries.
[G.w. Bush:] You two have got great empathy for people, is that enough?
[Malveaux:] And both joked about how they spend their free time.
[Clinton:] Taking selfies with people.
[G.w. Bush:] At least they're still asking, you know?
[Clinton:] Yes, that's right.
[Malveaux:] Gone are pictures like these, when the Clintons and Bushes offered cold shoulders. After all, it was Clinton who turned George H.W. Bush into a one termer. But Clinton and Bush Senior later became close, publicly working together in tsunami relief and post-Hurricane Katrina as I witnessed firsthand.
[George H.w. Bush, Former President:] That I believe they ought not to be as upset, but I can understand why they are.
[Malveaux:] What they kept quiet was Clinton's growing closeness to the son, George
[W. Clinton:] He used to call me twice a year in his second term just to talk.
[Malveaux:] Now, Bush is offering insight into what makes a president.
[G.w. Bush:] We're just normal people who got caught up in the ambition and drive and circumstance and ended up being president. Man, these guys can do it, I can do it.
[Malveaux:] When Clinton responded, he was interrupted by a call.
[Clinton:] There's only one yes. Only two people have this number and they're both related to me. I hope I'm not being told I'm about to become a premature grandfather.
[G.w. Bush:] That's right, yes.
[Malveaux:] On that, Bush gave this advice.
[G.w. Bush:] Be prepared to fall completely in love again.
[Malveaux:] Also noteworthy, in the audience was the former secretary of state and first lady, Hillary Clinton, who laughed when someone suggested, how about another Clinton-Bush match-up in 2016 referring to her and former Governor Jeb Bush running against each other. George Bush joked that the first one didn't turn out so well, referring to his father's loss to Bill Clinton in 1992. Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, Washington.
[Keilar:] Great story. Remember you can follow us on Twitter. Just tweet the show @CNNSitroom. And be sure to join us tomorrow in THE SITUATION ROOM. You can watch us live or DVR the show so you won't miss a moment. Thanks so much for watching. I'm Brianna Keilar in THE SITUATION ROOM. "ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT" starts right now.

[Baldwin:] The courtroom, the stage for the murder trial of George Zimmerman, it's in the dark today. It's a holiday. But already the state's remaining witnesses are in the spotlight. You have Trayvon Martin's family, who've been sitting there in the courtroom. They take possibly the stand tomorrow, along with the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin himself. To talk about this, what we can expect tomorrow, huge day for the state. You have Tanya Miller, defense attorney and former prosecutor, and Michael Grieco, criminal defense attorney in Miami. So welcome to both of you.
[Tanya Miller, Defense Attorney And Former Prosecutor:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] And, Tanya, let me just begin with you. You and I sat here yesterday and we were watching a lot of this.
[Miller:] Yes, we did. Yes, we did.
[Baldwin:] Tomorrow's a huge day
[Miller:] Absolutely.
[Baldwin:] Because we know the state will be resting.
[Miller:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] And we're guessing, we don't have the witness list, we're guessing possibly Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon Martin's mother, takes the stand. What how does the state handle this so this is a home run for them?
[Miller:] Well, the state, at this point, is going to do what they really missed an opportunity to do with Rachel Jeantel, and that's humanize Trayvon Martin. We are going to hear from his mother. We expect heart-wrenching, emotional testimony from his mother that's going to really bring that back in the forefront of this jury. Remind them that this case is about the loss of a child who was on his way home from the 7-Eleven unarmed.
[Baldwin:] And, Michael, as you have this grieving mother on the stand, I'm sure a very poignant witness indeed, how do you, if you're the defense attorney, how do you cross-examine someone like that?
[Michael Grieco, Criminal Defense Attorney:] You have to do it very delicately. Good morning to both of you.
[Miller:] Good morning.
[Grieco:] It's very tough. When you're dealing with grieving families or when you're dealing with children or any type of sensitive witness, you have to really try to empathize with what's going on and you need to appreciate that, yes, somebody died here. There is a tragedy. But you need to make sure that you are able to point out delicately that the person that's testifying does have an interest in this, that they do have a motivation to lie. You have to be able to attack their credibility without looking like you're attacking because the prosecution is very dependent upon these witnesses to bring in the emotion that's required in order for them to get to a second degree murder conviction.
[Baldwin:] Let me stay with you, Michael, because we've been watching this trial play out the last two different two weeks. These are supposed to be state witnesses. Some of them, at the end of the day, sort of appeared defense witnesses sort of depending on your perspective. Let me just put you on the hot seat and ask you, what do you think the biggest mistake or the biggest miss has been so far, either for the prosecution or the defense?
[Grieco:] Well, listen, trial is like a game of chess, you really don't know who's winning or losing. You know, it's what the jurors are seeing. I think that Miss Jeantel's testimony really hurt the prosecution. And if they had known in advance that that was going to be pretty damning testimony for them, they shouldn't have started so early on with that.
[Baldwin:] Why do you think that because others say she was real, she was authentic, it resonated with the jurors?
[Grieco:] No, I think that she got caught up in statements in conflicting statements on both sides of it. The defense did a pretty good job of rattling her, making her seem not credible. I disagree with that. I think just because people are claiming that she was real or that she showed raw emotion, I think they were able to make their points regarding her motivation as well regarding as opposed to I'm sorry, her motivation regarding wanting Trayvon's killer convicted. She had an interest in this.
[Baldwin:] Do you agree?
[Miller:] I don't agree.
[Baldwin:] You're making eyes.
[Miller:] I don't agree. I think the biggest mistake, if there's one to be made by the prosecution in this case, was not objecting to the testimony of Detective Serino where he said he believed George Zimmerman's version of events. I just think that was devastating testimony for the prosecution. The jury should not have ever heard anything like that. And I think he was asleep at the wheel. He woke up. He tried to correct it the next day, but I think that's something he should have stopped right then and there.
[Baldwin:] Because objections, sort of like I liken this to basketball at the end of the game
[Miller:] That's right.
[Baldwin:] The game's closely tied. You want to foul your guy, right, to slow down the momentum.
[Miller:] Absolutely.
[Baldwin:] It's the same thing in the courtroom.
[Miller:] Absolutely. And I think he could have made better uses of his objection during that testimony. And, you know, Rachel Jeantel, I completely disagree. I think that, you know, her demeanor on the stand, yes, was probably different than what some of the other witnesses presented. Some of the more professional, more polished witnesses. But at the end of the day, it's not about who talks the smoothest, who looks the prettiest. At the end of the day, it's whether or not you believe that person is telling you the truth.
[Baldwin:] Tanya Miller, thank you. Come back next hour.
[Miller:] Absolutely.
[Baldwin:] I have more questions for you. Michael Grieco, thank you to you as well.
[Grieco:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] Let me move on because coming up next here, we're going to take you live to Prescott, Arizona, where on this Fourth of July a memorial service is underway for those 19 firefighters, sons and husbands and fathers lost their lives battling the wildfires over the weekend. That's next.

[Costello:] All week long CNN is taking a deeper look at the twisted web of addiction in our series "Deadly Fix." The pain, the anguish of a child hooked on drugs is something only a parent who has experienced it can truly understand. It may seem hopeless, but there is help. CNN's Kelly Wallace sat down with a mother who's still going through this ordeal who has advice for others.
[Debbie Gross Longo, Son Addicted To Drugs:] He loved to make you laugh. That would make him feel really good. He was on division one soccer. He was on basketball. He was on baseball. This is him and I when we were in a pool and I would be the cautious mother.
[Kelly Wallace, Cnn Correspondent:] What did it feel like when you realized he was addicted and addicted to prescription drugs?
[Longo:] Well, at first I didn't realize he was addicted. I would find pill bottles with no names on them, so it was just a straight bottle. Sometimes I would find straws. Sometimes I would find spoons. I would Google everything and started realizing, there is a problem here.
[On Screen Text:] Debbie Gross Longo is the mother of an addict. Her son started abusing prescription drugs at age 13.
[Longo:] You still question yourself. Did I fail him in some way? There's such a stigma and such a shame attached to it, but the bottom line is, it's a disease.
[Wallace:] And how hard was that stigma for you?
[Longo:] So I really suffered in silence and it's a horrible place to be because you end up crying yourself to sleep. You start going back in time and looking at how they used to be.
[Wallace:] For all mothers who have children who are addicted, it is that balance between supporting your loved one and enabling.
[Longo:] His hand was always out. Always out.
[Wallace:] How scary was that when you said, done, the enabling stops?
[Longo:] I sort of think to myself, well, if he's so darned clever to get the drugs, he can be clever enough to find a piece of pizza somewhere, you know. And, OK, you sleep in your car. Well, that's your choice. So I grew a little bit stronger, but I really grew strong with the Addict's Mom. I mean that that group was my saving grace. It truly was. I saw women who were having the same problems that I was having, only our children's names were different.
[On Screen Text:] The Addict's Mom has 20,000 plus members in 53 countries. Debbie's son has been to rehab seven times and overdosed three times. Now 25, he had been in recovery for six months but recently relapsed. He entered a detox program and is starting again on the road to recovery.
[Wallace:] What's the number one piece of advice you'd give any mom watching who has an addict as a child?
[Longo:] Well, I think try to get them into into rehab. Scare them straight almost. But I really think that you have to start talking to your children when they're young and warn them about everything. I don't want to hear another mother getting a knock at the door saying our son or daughter is dead. I don't want one mother out there suffering in silence and feel she has nowhere to go.
[Costello:] Kelly Wallace, thank you for that report. You can find out much more on the deadly web of addiction. Just go to cnn.comdeadlyfix.

[Costello:] We first saw the killer's faces and heard their names just hours after the massacre at Charlie Hebdo. Sharif and said Kouachi, they were French brothers with Algerian roots. They were also immigrants orphanned at a young age. I want to go back to Paris and Jim Sciutto. Jim, the moment authorities revealed to the world that these were brothers, many people had this sick sense of deja vu.
[Sciutto:] No question. Family affair, really. The Kouachis not the first siblings to wage jihad together. Far from it, in fact. It's a pattern we've seen many times before. Our Jason Carroll has the story.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Said and Sharif Kouachi, partners in crime, brothers who share not only blood but also an extremist ideology. But they are far from the only set of brothers who have been tied to terrorism. Boston bombing suspects Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev immediately come to mind. They're accused of killing three people and wounding more than 200 after detonating pressure cooker bombs at the marathon in 2013. But even before Boston, before the brothers' deadly plot, there was already a long list of siblings terrorists. Six of the 19 hijackers responsible for the attacks on 911 were actually brothers who worked in teams. Take the al Hazmi brothers, Nawaf and Salem. They sat together on American Airlines Flight 77 before hijacking and crashing it into the Pentagon. A year later, 2002, in Bali, three bombs, three of the terrorists were bothers. More than 200 people killed as a result. 2007 a failed plot. The plan this time was to attack soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey. Three of the would-be terrorists convicted were also brothers. Why so many siblings connections? Dr. Harley Stock is a forensic psychologist.
[Dr. Harley Stock, Forensic Psychologist:] Being a lone wolf self radicalizing jihadist is a hard thing to do, hard to be by yourself doing this. It's always good to have some help. The other issue is who do you trust? So obviously having a family member you can trust is helpful.
[Carroll:] Just two years ago here in south Florida, two men who again just happened to be brothers were charged with conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction in the United States. Both pleaded not guilty. [voice-over]: Those two brothers are Sharia and Raiz Kazi. A man who would only identify himself as a Kazi brother says the allegations are not true.
[Unidentified Male:] I know my brothers are innocent. They never did anything wrong.
[Carroll:] Counterterrorism experts say oftentimes even in the face of overwhelming evidence, families of the accused stick together. They say that tight family bond can be tough for investigators to break.
[Robert Mcfadden, Terrorism Expert, The Soufan Group:] If you have the small group among brothers, cousins, very close friends, it makes it that more difficult for a leak to get out or to penetrate that cell with an outsider.
[Carroll:] Experts say the tightest bond of all may ultimately be beyond blood. It is the bond of extremist ideology, the same one that drove the Kouachi brother. The same that is likely to lead more to murder. Jason Carroll, CNN, Miami.
[Sciutto:] A crucial investigation here not only for the authorities but the world, getting inside the minds of these extremists and finding out how and why these brothers turned to terrorism. As Jason just showed us, one that hits extremely close to home for Americans, Carol. And you know we talk a lot about influences when it comes to extremism: who influences recruits to radicalize? And it stands to reason, I suppose, that someone you know well, someone you're related to, can be sadly a likely candidate for that.
[Costello:] And someone you trust, you're right. Jim Sciutto, thanks so much. The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts now.

[Blitzer:] We'll have much more on the plane crash in the French Alps, that's coming up, plus, your questions about the investigation in just a few minutes. But there's developing news in the Middle East with Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iran, the U.S.'s partners and Iran are nearing a deadline for that so-called framework, a nuclear deal. Here in "The Situation Room," I spoke with the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States about the deal. Listen to Adel al Jubeir.
[Adel Al Jubeir, Saudi Arabian Ambassador To The U.s:] We hope this pans out. Everybody wants a peaceful solution to Iran's nuclear program but it has to be a serious and solid agreement that is verifiable. We're also just as concerned about the interference by Iran in the affairs of other countries in the region, whether it's Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and other parts. We believe that Iran's behavior does not is not reassuring to people in the region.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about the nuclear options, Saudi air strikes that are under way in Yemen right now. Joining us from New York, our CNN global affairs analyst, Bobby Ghosh, the managing editor of "Quartz." Also joining us, our terrorism analyst, Paul Cruickshank; and from Little Rock, Arkansas, the former NATO supreme allied commander, retired general, Wesley Clark, the author of the new book "Don't Wait for the Next War." General Clark, you heard Senator Corker a few minutes ago, right here on CNN, he's the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, say he's concerned the Obama administration, in effect, is trying to rearrange the U.S. relationships in throughout the Middle East, weaken Israel to a certain degree and strengthen Iran. I'm paraphrasing. But you're reaction?
[Gen. Wesley Clark, Former Nato Supreme Commander & Author:] I don't think that's the case. I think what the Obama administration is trying to do is reduce the geostrategic conflict throughout the region. And that's to everyone's benefit if we can do this. We had, before 1978-'79, we had a great relationship with Iran. There are a lot of positive pro-American feelings there. Saudi Arabia is our long-time friend and ally. We used to look at the Middle East as two pillars. Both Saudi Arabia and Iran were U.S. allies. So if we could get back to that and obviously maintain a strong Israel and deal with the conflict in Syria, all those things are positive. But we can't put ground troops in. We have to work on the margins. We have to work through diplomacy, economic assistance and, where we can, military support. That's what the Obama administration is doing. It's a tough, tough strategy to follow.
[Blitzer:] Bobby Ghosh, the administration clearly would like to see a positive spin-off from this emerging nuclear deal and see Iran become a more constructive partner, shall we say, or player throughout the region. A lot of people are saying that's simply wishful thinking on the part of some Obama administration officials. Your thoughts?
[Bobby Ghosh, Cnn Global Affairs Analyst:] Yeah, I would tend to agree with those people. I think it is very much wishful thinking. The Obama administration is hoping that Iran, once these sanctions are removed, will take the money and help build an economy, free their people, give people more opportunities and there will be economic reforms to follow. All Iran wants is the money. They're not promising any of these other things. They've been blunt and clear about what they want. They want to expand their influence in the Middle East. We are seeing that with every step they do. We can't blame the Iranians in the future of hiding their intentions. They're being very clear. It's we, or the administration, that is taking the view that, oh, things are not what they seem. Things are better than they appear to be.
[Blitzer:] Paul, you also heard Senator Corker of the foreign relations committee say the Iranians are about to get, if this deal goes through and these sanctions are eased, about $180 billion pretty quickly that's a lot of money for Iran. Have you seen any evidence and you study terrorism right now, that Iran is reducing its support for international terrorism, the State Department considers Iran to be a state sponsor of terror?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, that's the sort of $64,000 question, whether Iran is going to be more pragmatic in the future if there is some kind of nuclear deal. Obviously, the hope would be that they would be more pragmatic in the future, that they would reduce the money going to terrorist groups like Hezbollah, and that they would try and persuade groups like Hezbollah not to get involved in these kind of international terror operations. Hezbollah has been accused of several operations even in Europe, even in Bulgaria. So that all remains to be seen Wolf?
[Blitzer:] What about what's going on right now, General Clark, in Yemen? The Saudis have put together a coalition with Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain. They're clearly trying to go in there and fight what they regard as Iranian proxies, these Shiite Houthi rebels. It looks like a proxy war, if you will.
[Clark:] It is a proxy war. But this is going to be a very tough problem for Saudi Arabia and Egypt to solve because they're not in that country. And their troops, even though they may speak Arabic, they're foreign troops in that country. So this is one more example of stirring the pot. It's going to likely provoke continuing Iranian efforts to defend what they see as their interests through the Shia population. It's going to likely involve some other threats to the Saudi system, let's say in Bahrain, through the Shia in Bahrain, or maybe even difficulties in the Gulf-rich eastern province of Saudi Arabia where there's a large Shia population. So the Saudis are well aware of this. They know what can happen. They see this as their vital interest but it's going to be a very tough fight.
[Blitzer:] The Saudis are nervous about a lot that's going on, Bobby Ghosh. As you well know, last night, I interviewed the Adel al Jabeir, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, and I specifically asked him a few times, if you don't like this deal that the U.S. and other members of the Security Council and Germany are putting together with Iran, could that lead to Saudi Arabia developing its own nuclear bomb? And I pressed him. And he refused to rule it out. He just didn't want to discuss that. But a lot of people are worried if the Saudis don't like this deal and some other countries, Egypt, for example, they may go that nuclear route as well. What do you say?
[Ghosh:] The Saudis are allowed to enrich uranium at the moment because they're members of the nonproliferation treaty. Whether they'll go all the way towards getting a bomb themselves or turn to their traditional allies in these matters, which is Pakistan. The Saudi military and the Pakistani military are quite close, in recent days, quite senior Pakistani generals have visited Saudi Arabia. They have that other option as well. Sure, if they believe the Iranians are going to break out and make a dash for nuclear weapons, the Saudis are going to want it. Whether they want their own or whether they want Pakistan's, we'll see.
[Blitzer:] They're calling it a war in Yemen right now. Bobby Ghosh, thanks very much for joining us. Paul Cruickshank, General Clark, always good to have all of you here on CNN. Up next, much more on the deliberate crash in the French Alps. We'll answer your questions. Should it be required to alert an airline if one of the pilots is considered to be unfit to fly? Stay with us.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight. We go live with the desperate search for a missing Maryland mother, a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic believed on the run with her two little children, 2-year-old Jacob, 3-year- old Sarah, last seen in a gray Nissan Rogue, all three in grave danger. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, grainy surveillance video emerges. We have the video.
[Unidentified Male:] Catherine Hoggle, Sarah, Jacob, missing. Highly unusual case. The direct plea.
[Unidentified Female:] Just come home.
[Unidentified Male:] Two children go suddenly missing from the same family. They are devastated by this.
[Unidentified Female:] And we love you.
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[Grace:] Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. We go live tonight and the desperate search for a missing Maryland mother. She is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic believed on the run with her two little children, 2-year-old Jacob, 3-year-old Sarah, now, last seen in a gray Nissan Rogue, all three in grave danger. As we go to air, grainy surveillance video has just emerged, and we have the video. The circumstances under which these two little children think of your own children at age 2 and 3, how hopeless they were, how much they need you this mom, a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, has made off with little Jacob and Sarah, her entire family at their wits end to save the children. Straight out to John Domen with WNEW. What do you know, John? What do we know about where she may be?
[John Domen, Wnew:] That`s a good question at this point. The last time anybody from the police department or anywhere, any confirmed sighting was early yesterday morning around 4:40 AM. She was kind of walking in the same area where she was last seen by her common-law husband on Monday evening. And at that point, she was only seen on video for a short time yesterday. Since then, police are just hoping the public may have seen her since, you know, where she was is a high-traffic area.
[Grace:] You know, John, joining me from WNEW, the manner in which the two children go missing even tricked her husband. The family lives together under one roof. The father works a night shift, so he didn`t quite realize that the children were gone until there was a several-hours lead. Straight out to special guest joining me right now from Montgomery County, Captain Darren Francke with the Montgomery County police, major crimes division. Captain, thank you for being with us. Now, I understand the timeline is little dicey because there`s an 18-hour interval between the first child going missing and possibly when the second one went missing. Captain, can you break it down for me how this whole thing happened?
[Capt. Darren Francke, Montgomery County Police:] Yes, Nancy. Thank you for taking an interest in this case. We are as you said, we`re desperately trying to find these children and to find Catherine. So on Monday the 7th, the husband, common-law husband, and the father of the children came to our fifth district station on Monday, and he reported that his wife, Sarah I`m sorry, his wife, Catherine, was missing and that also his young daughter, Sarah, the 3-year-old, and Jacob, the 2-year- old were missing, as well, and he was concerned about them. He advised us that his wife had just fled him, that they were looking for Jacob and Sarah, that she had said that she had dropped them at a day care center and...
[Grace:] But they were not at a day care center.
[Francke:] Correct, they were not, and...
[Grace:] Captain Francke, let me ask you a couple quick questions.
[Francke:] Sure. Go ahead.
[Grace:] This is my understanding, and I want to make sure I`ve got it down because you know every single fact may make a difference. We`re showing some grainy surveillance video we managed to get of her at a Chick-fil-
[A. Francke:] Correct.
[Grace:] She doesn`t have either of the children. She`s acting perfectly normally there. I mean, nobody would know to see her that she is diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic and she does and her two children are missing. They`re missing at the time of this video. We don`t know where they are, and she`s acting as cool as a cucumber. Captain Francke, I understand that she was at the grandmother`s home, and she tells the grandmother she`s going to take little Jacob out for pizza and she leaves with Jacob. But we never know we never have any proof that she went for pizza. Then the next morning, the dad wakes up from the night shift. I`m very familiar with that. My father worked the night shift for the railroad. And you wake up. You don`t know what happened since you left for work the day before. And she tells the husband she took the little girl and the boy, Sarah and Jacob, to day care. But she didn`t, right?
[Francke:] Correct. Yes, when she left on Sunday...
[Grace:] I got a bad feeling, Captain. I got a bad feeling. I got a very bad feeling about this. Go ahead.
[Francke:] When she left on Sunday, she was gone for a couple hours. She came back and she did not have the pizza, she did not have the child. Unfortunately, you know, to you and me, when you`re told you that you`re leaving a 2-year-old for an overnight stay at a playmate`s house, you know, that raises suspicions. It didn`t raise the suspicions of the family, and then the next morning, you have the little girl now missing. And again, it goes to the...
[Grace:] That`s a wrinkle I don`t know about, Captain. So she goes for a pizza with Jacob. And I think Jacob is the one that`s just 2. And then, all right, she comes back and says she`s left her 2-year-old boy at a playmate`s for a stayover?
[Francke:] Correct. And now, investigatively...
[Grace:] At 2 years old, a lot of kids can`t even walk. What are they going to do, look at each other in the crib? A play date?
[Francke:] Correct. And investigatively, we`ve got a lot of resources and we have proven that that is not the case.
[Grace:] Oh! So everybody, with me and taking your calls, Captain Darren Francke from Montgomery County, John Domen with WNEW. Captain, I`m hearing my ear I`ve got Marc Klaas with me right now, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. He lost his beautiful daughter, Polly, and has devoted his life to children. All right, so we know this. We know the mother lied. Let`s just start with that. Now let`s take it from there. Why is she lying? Did she give the children away? Did she abandoned them somewhere? Is she on the run with them, which is a likely scenario? Are they dead? Weigh in, Marc.
[Marc Klaas, Klaas Kids Foundation:] Well, I have no idea where the kids are, but this is a scenario that screams Amber Alert. You have a severely mentally ill mother who`s being deceptive, who`s who`s avoiding avoiding being touched by anybody, and this is exactly the kind of a scenario that you need an Amber Alert for. However, they weren`t able to issue it because there`s no vehicle involved. Now, Nancy, the Amber Alert has always had great potential. However, that potential has been stymied by a fundamental misunderstanding of its intent and purpose. The Amber Alert was not created to be activated under specific conditions. Instead, it was meant as a partnership between law enforcement, media and the public, and that`s being sabotaged in this process.
[Grace:] OK, I understand that it didn`t meet the qualifications for an Amber Alert. Got it. Now I`m trying to go from there, all right, and do what we can do to help find these children. There`s a chance this mom has them, that she`s dumped them somewhere, that she`s on the run with them, or that she killed them. Those are my alternatives. Now, let`s go to Caryn Stark, psychologist. Caryn, give it to me in a nutshell, paranoid schizophrenic hold on, Caryn. Let me get some more facts from the captain. Captain Francke, is she on her medication? Do we know that?
[Francke:] We have no way to confirm that at this time.
[Grace:] Darn! Well, what about the husband? Doesn`t he know anything?
[Francke:] Again, our experience with a lot of folks is they can be on their medication or they can say they`re on the medication and just hide the fact...
[Grace:] Ah. Yes. They never want to be on their meds. You`re right, Captain. Has her ATM or credit card or gas card, her EZ-pass, any of that been used anywhere outside her own little nuclear neighborhood?
[Francke:] No, we have no activity.
[Grace:] Nothing? And you`ve looked?
[Francke:] Yes. We`re aggressively looking at her financial records, any way we can to get an idea where she is, which is...
[Grace:] How did she pay for that Chick-fil-A, Captain? How did she pay for that, credit card, ATM, what?
[Francke:] At that time, she was with her husband, or common-law husband at that time. She had money. Further investigation, we have found some of her belongings. She is making an active effort to in our opinion, to avoid contact with the police. And we believe she is of limited means. And you know, the most important thing for us in reference to the kids is the last video we have of her at 4:40 in the morning, there are no kids with her. There are no other adults with her.
[Grace:] That`s at the Walgreens?
[Francke:] No. That is in the area, as you said before, of the Chick-fil-A where she originally went missing.
[Grace:] OK. Now, wa-wa-wait. A Chick-fil-A is open at 4:40 in the morning?
[Francke:] I`m sorry...
[Grace:] They`re not even open...
[Francke:] ... she`s in the area...
[Grace:] ... on Sunday!
[Francke:] ... as far as the street.
[Grace:] Oh, OK, on the street. I think she`s got a cell phone in her hand, Captain. What about that? Any pings?
[Francke:] Right now, we do not believe that she has a cell phone.
[Grace:] Oh! OK. Caryn Stark, paranoid schizophrenic what does it mean for these two children? Yes, I`d like to say the mother, but I`m concerned about the 2-year-old and the 3-year-old, Caryn. Give it to me in a nutshell.
[Caryn Stark, Psychologist:] Well, Nancy, you should be concerned because a paranoid schizophrenic is somebody who can, in fact, be extremely dangerous. She believes that the world is out to get her and she believes this is true. There are plots against her. A lot of it doesn`t make sense. You could feel that there are aliens in outer space who are trying to communicate with you. That`s by definition part of being a paranoid schizophrenic sometimes. So I really am concerned about these two children, the fact that they`re not there and what she might have imagined or who talked to her to tell her to not to have them.
[Grace:] Well, on the other hand, Captain Francke, when she`s spotted at 4:40 AM, we don`t do you have her car? Do we know if the children could have been in the car?
[Francke:] As of that sighting, she did not have a means of transportation unless she hooked up with another citizen, a friend. We have no indication of that. That`s one of the reasons we keep this story as high profile as we can in case someone is helping her, that they communicate with us immediately.
[Grace:] Oh, wait! I understand something now, Captain. So the mom ditches the husband, the father, at the Chick-fil-
[A. Francke:] Right.
[Grace:] That Chick-fil-A is right across the street from a bus station. What about that? What`s the possibility that she bought a ticket in cash and took off?
[Francke:] That`s a local transit

[Berman:] Welcome back, everyone. Of all people who want answers, who need answers about Malaysia Airlines flight 370, no one needs them, no one deserves them more than the families of passengers and crew.
[Pereira:] Imagine that.
[Berman:] I can't.
[Pereira:] Our Piers Morgan had the chance to speak to Danica. Her husband was on board the flight. She's trying to do her very best to stay strong for their young children. She's holding onto hope that he'll come home.
[Piers Morgan, Cnn Host, Piers Morgan:] How are you coping with your two young children with this devastating news?
[Danica Weeks, Husband On Flight 370:] Yeah, not well. We're taking it slowly. I'm trying to keep myself as distracted as I'm sure every family member is. You just hear all the news. I'm trying to not take too much in. It's a bit of a roller coaster. One minute it's this, the next minute that's not confirmed. That's the toughest part everyday waking up and looking on the news and seeing that there's nothing. There's no calls from Malaysia to say we've found something. Everyday it just seems like an eternity. It's an absolute eternity. You can only go minute by minute and try to get through the day. I hope something comes soon. We're wishing for the best. As it gets further and further down the track, it's not looking good.
[Morgan:] Your husband, Paul, left for a job in Mongolia, mining construction equipment company. You've got two young sons, Lincoln, 3, and Jack, 10 months. Before he left, Paul left you his watch and also left you other items for your kids. Why did he do that do you think?
[Weeks:] We had a car accident December 30th. I'm glad we got to talk about these things and our plans should something happen to us. We were afraid after that. We said we had a reality check that one of us could go or both of us. He obviously he can't take can't wear his ring on the mine site. He said I'm going to leave my wedding ring here. I'm going to leave my wedding ring and watch. Should anything happen to me, I want the ring to go to the first son that's married and the watch to the second. I said something like don't be stupid. Just come back and I'll give it back to you. You can give it to them. I've got it here. I'm praying I can give that back to him. I can hold onto it. There's no finality to it. We're not getting any information. Whether they know anything and they're not telling us at this stage it's just blank. Just "blank" waiting and praying. Praying.
[Morgan:] What kind of man is Paul?
[Weeks:] He's amazing. He's amazing. He was the most amazing husband and most amazing father. He's spent so much time with his kids. He also bathed them every night. He would take Lincoln to golf, take him to the zoo. Lincoln when he was his little shadow. Of course, Jack of course, he was extremely intelligent, worked hard and tried to do everything right for his family. All the jobs, everything he does, he always thought about us. He was doing this for the right reason. That was his dream job. He had worked weeks to get up to speed and be there to hit the ground running. That's the kind of man he was. He was strong. He was in the Army. They trained them very strongly there. You know, he had strength, character. He's just so much fun. He was my best friend, soul mate. I can't wait for him to come back I hope. I'm deluded by the fact as this goes on, there's less and less chance of finding anything. There's no finality to it. I can't give up. You know, you just sort of think at what stage there's no menu for this. If he knew, at what stage could you sort of let go? I don't want to ever let go. It's going to be just just praying. We have to keep hoping. I know it's getting my brain is going, "It's getting slimmer and slimmer." My heart isn't letting it go. I've got my two kids. They're the hardest to look at to know they've been robbed from such an amazing father and amazing man. You know, that's just too much. I'm just going to take it slowly.
[Berman:] So sad. You know, there are probably 239 stories like this or more for every passenger on board. We get so caught up in this theory or that theory and every piece of evidence. Think how heart wrenching.
[Pereira:] That was so interesting seeing her cradling the ring he left behind and talking about the conversation they had beforehand. Nothing can prepare you for getting a phone call to say your loved one is missing. It was agonizing to hear her explain. It's agonizing as the moments tick by.
[Berman:] The mystery goes on for her and all families right now waiting for any answer. Our Saima Mohsin is in the area where families are waiting. Our question is, how are they holding up?
[Saima Mohsin, Cnn Correspondent:] It's really not easy. We just heard from one of the relatives of the passengers. I've been speaking to family, friends, next of kin of those on board flight 370 who have flown in here. That agonizing wait. We've had six days, heading to our sixth night. Waiting to hear of anything that happened to that plane and what happened to those on board. I met one of the elderly men in one of the hotels here. When I arrived he was shouting at officials saying, look we don't want compensation. We just want answers. Please give us something, anything to hold onto as to where our family is. His son is just 29 years old. Called his father before he was boarding the flight saying I'm heading to Beijing dad. That was it. He said that's it. Of course we've seen a spectrum of emotions. There's sadness, people who are hoping for miracles. Then of course there's a deep frustration with the lack of information and knowledge coming out. John?
[Pereira:] You know, I was thinking about that passenger we heard from, the wife of the passenger, Danica. Talking about the fact they're being told nothing. I'm curious if the airline is doing anything for these people, giving them any help in trying to answer the questions from their children, from the younger people, from older people. What is being done there?
[Mohsin:] Michaela, so far what Malaysia Airlines has done is flown the people who are related to those on board or friends, family to where they want to be whether Beijing or Kuala Lumpur, the points of departure and points of arrival for those on board. And so
[Pereira:] We just lost her unfortunately. That's the part we want to hear. What people on the ground are told. We know there's passengers, relatives far away, waiting to hear.
[Berman:] The people on the ground feel they're not being told enough. They want more information. Got to be very, very, very frustrating.
[Pereira:] We're going to take a short break. Ahead AT THIS HOUR, obvious ahead of actual facts there are wild theories spreading online about what may have actually happened. They're spreading because there's no real information about what actually happened. We're going to look at some theories and try to figure out if these are even plausible.
[Berman:] Are they're hurting the investigation at the same time.
[Pereira:] Good point.

[Costello:] Within hours, the U.S. could unleash new economic sanctions against Russia and Moscow's economy suffers more fallout from the crisis with Ukraine. As investors flee the country, Standard & Poor's slashes Russia's credit rating to one notch above a junk rating. In the meantime, Ukraine's prime minister says Moscow wants to occupy his country both militarily and politically. As Russia holds more military drills along the border, he says Moscow is trying to start World War III. The region looks like it's inching closer to the brink of war as the Ukrainian military tries to wrestle back cities taken over by pro Russia militants. And Russia has issued stern warnings, warnings of immediate consequences. Our next guest has returned from Ukraine as part of a congressional delegation. Congressman Mike Quigley joined the bipartisan trip as both as fact-finding mission and a show of U.S. support for Ukraine's government. He joins me now. Welcome.
[Rep. Mike Quigley , Illinois:] Welcome. Thanks for having me. Good to be home.
[Costello:] I bet it is. Things don't seem to be settling down in Ukraine at all. How would you characterize it?
[Quigley:] It's clearly a country on edge. At the same time, talking to the public and cultural and political leaders, it is a country that is facing an underdog's role with extraordinary optimism.
[Costello:] Well, it sort of seems the sanctions are working since Standard & Poor's slashed Russia's credit rating, a good sign at least from our perspective in the United States.
[Quigley:] Sure. And the ruble is at an all-time low. Their stock market is down 20 percent. This is clearly a financial war that Putin can't handle. I'm not sure if he realizes that.
[Costello:] He doesn't seem to care.
[Quigley:] No, he doesn't seem to care. We met with Mr. Yanukovych's former chief. He explained he knew Mr. Putin pretty well in the old days. He thought that it was interesting. In Russia, if Putin takes and keeps Crimea, his name would be written in gold on the Kremlin wall, but that if he invaded in that he had ethnic Russians killing ethnic Russians, his name wouldn't be written on that wall. There are many who don't understand how far Putin is taking this action.

[Christian Purefoy, Cnn Correspondent:] And, you know, across that campus you can see, you know, even from the outside, [inaudible] outside of the battle that went on, tank trucks going through the have sent into the campus. And the Kenyan military really did respond quite quickly to this attack. But yes but, you know, one of the things they want to try and find out, who is the ring leader of this crime. Now, obviously, that's going to take some time. The campuses so it has been knocked down as the investigation continues and the ambulance and the security services begin to deal with, as you said, the aftermath, recovering the bodies and trying to, you know, identify them for their families. Ashleigh.
[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn:] Christian, if I can just ask you, look, it was only just 2013, two years ago, that we lived through the horrors of the attack of the Westgate mall in Nairobi, Kenya. Weren't there enormous lessons to be learned about response to a terror attack? So many more people died than needed to die in that attack and now we're seeing on the heels of that, an attack that took out almost 150 people.
[Purefoy:] Yes. And, you know, that is one of the, I think, is going to emerge from these investigations. You know, what exactly happen and the details, Ashleigh, is still very much it does appear that this time the Kenyan security forces did respond quickly. But also, unlike last time, this time there was no siege. They immediately went in to try and take out this threat unlike in Westgate where there was a lot of security in this sometime of many days. So, this was this is 14 instead of 15 hours and security force went in the problem Ashleigh dealing with threats like this. You know, look at the town on Somalia where this means must be is it's a four hour drive from the long course borders Somalia, the stronghold of Al-Shabaab terrorist. And they can, you know, they can come go come and go as they want and how the Kenyan forces, actually, begin to try pre owns thier attacks, is the real challenge. You know, if you get it here on the ground, they did that within, you know, a couple of hours. But it's, actually, that just been too late, you know. What they need to try and do is preemptive evac Ashleigh is the real challenge.
[Banfield:] And then maybe that's the answer that everyone is looking for, is that it is remote. It's over 200 miles away from Nairobi and to try to respond with the kind of force you would need, in those rural places, there's just isn't that kind of there isn't that kind of force. Christian Purefoy, thank you for your reporting and I appreciate it. And there's this, small campuses and hotels and public spaces, you probably heard them called "Soft targets" before. The terrorists like to hit. Instead of like military bases or high security areas, of course it's cowardly because they do the most damage because those who are the victims are unsuspecting. They're innocent people just trying to live their life like those kids at school. Some of the deadliest extremist attacks in recent memory had been against these so called soft targets. Remember, 2008, Mumbai, India? Extremist from Pakistan attacks several places all at the same time and more than 160 people died. Is all played out at a huge hotel and upscale hotel. Eventually it was set on fire. In 2013, we just mentioned the Nairobi, Kenya assault. The details are pretty harrowing. Men with machine guns effectively blasting their way into a shopping mall and shooting at random, hunting for hours upon hours, it stretched into days and 67 people were murdered. May of last year in Belgium, a man who converted to Islam open fire at the Jewish Museum in Brussels, and before anyone could do anything about it, four people were dead. October of last year in Canada, a Muslim convert shot a military guard dead at the national monument in Ottawa and then just blitzed his way into the parliament building. Pretty remarkable. This year, January, gunmen forced their way into the Charlie Hebdo magazine offices in Paris and were able to murder 12 people and then take off, apparently, this in revenge for the magazine's cartoon depiction of their prophet, Muhammad. And then just last week, Al-Shabaab again claiming responsibility for car bombing and suicide bombing a hotel in Somalia. And in that attack a diplomat and five other people, again, murdered in cold blood. Paul Cruickshank is our Terrorism Analyst. He's in London right now. We're talking about these soft targets like the college campus in Kenya. But what I really want to get to hear is this notion for starters of Al-Shabaab. I have seen you say in writings that you think Al-Shabaab is actually kind of desperate and that this shows that they are weakening, and yet we're talking about victims in a hundred. How does that show anything that can be described as weak?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, Ashleigh, Al-Shabaab are being forced on to the back foot in Somalia by Kenyan military operations by African Union military operations. They lost their last urban stronghold last October. They're increasingly just based in rural areas. And so, this is a group that's lashing out here with terrorist attacks inside Kenya. It was the same with that Westgate mall attack back in the fall of 2013. But of course, it's a group which still poses a significant regional terrorist threat and as they've lost territory inside Somalia, they've increasingly focused on building up that regional terrorist capability. So there's a lot of concern that we could see more attacks in the region. Not just inside Kenya, in other places as well like Djibouti, Tanzania and elsewhere concern that United States interest may also be targeted in the region.
[Banfield:] OK.
[Cruickshank:] Yeah.
[Banfield:] And that well, that's where I want to take this because we just had yet another arrest today. Woman in Phily and the arrest affidavits suggest all sort of notorious activity going on in order to try to harm fellow Americans. Yesterday, two women in Brooklyn, same ammo, and the list goes on and on, actually about four or five just in the last month. At the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing something. But here is the question, those women in Brooklyn said in the according to the, you know, the FBI, they said that they wanted to do something not so soft with normal people. They wanted to get something more significant like police officers or installations. And yet we're seeing the successes are really where the soft targets. This university was so far away from where the concentration of responders could possibly be that they could kill 150 in a matter of a day.
[Cruickshank:] That's absolutely right and terrorist groups have increasingly emphasized soft targets. Terrorism is a lot about sort of media impact coverage, and when you have five body counts, a lot of people being killed and injured, that sort of get these terrorist groups into the headlines. It's easier to go off through university or a school or a restaurant. But it is to go after harder target like an embassy and you can get just as much media coverage, so they've emphasized this. And Al-Shabaab, the Somalian terrorist group, just recently threatened attack inside the United States against malls inside the United States. Now, intelligence officials in the United States don't believe the group currently has much capability to do that. But worrying nevertheless, the groups like Al-Shabaab, like Al-Qaeda, like ISIS encouraging lone wolf supporters back in the west to hit soft targets.
[Banfield:] Paul Cruickshank, thank you for your analysis. I do appreciate it. I sure wish we could meet on different topics. But you're an expert in this one, that's for sure. Thank you, Paul.
[Cruickshank:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] So from one terrorist story to another, the defense in the Boston bombing trial, that's over. They rested after pretty much a day and a half, but now the real work begins, trying to save his life, which means planting seeds of doubt. But is there anyone on that jury who will find the nuggets of doubt they may have sown the least bit reasonable? Going to weigh that in a moment.

[Blitzer:] To our North American viewers, "CROSSFIRE" won't be seen tonight so we can bring you more of our special report on the mystery of Flight 370. U.S. officials say the Malaysian government has found no suspicious content on the pilot's computers or in their e-mail, noting nothing, they say, that would indicate that the route changes were planned ahead of time. The news comes after talk between the U.S. and Malaysia defense secretaries with Chuck Hagel telling the Malaysian defense secretary to be, quote, "more transparent." CNN's Andrew Stevens is joining us now from Kuala Lumpur with more on what's going on. Andrew, what else are you learning?
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, the Malaysians are also asking Chuck Hagel to get access to more satellite surveillance information as well and try to get piece together what may have happened to that flight. But it's interesting. It's very much the focus this morning, as we're still in the predawn hours here, is on the pilots, on that investigation, on this information that we're now getting. That the pilots effectively cleared their communications equipment and that simulator you were talking about has turned up nothing to suggest that some suspicious activities may have been taking place. And it does tie in, to be honest, with what we have been hearing about the pilot and what we have been hearing about the copilot. The pilot, particularly, he is an aviation geek. He has a simulator in his home. And his friends continue to vigorously defend him, saying that he's the sort of guy you do want in the cockpit if something happens. We're also hearing that the Chinese have cleared their 153 national from any links to any terrorism or any hijacking plots. The Chinese ambassador telling the Malaysians here yesterday, late yesterday that that was the case. So still moving along. The as far as the transparency goes, that's a key issue here, because obviously, there's an enormous amount of frustration about the level of information that is being made public. And the information that is actually being made public, sometimes it's been misleading; sometimes it has been retracted. So if there is a greater opening among the Malaysians, more information, not only the world's media or the world, but certainly, the families of the passengers would really appreciate that. Difficult balancing act for the Malaysians. I don't want to lead people down the wrong direction. But also, this vacuum of information is very, very painful for the passengers' families.
[Blitzer:] We must not forget there were 239 people on that aircraft. Andrew Stevens, thanks very much. The families of those on board, the Flight 370, they're growing increasingly desperate for information about their loved ones, and they're taking that frustration out on Malaysian officials, who are providing, at least as far as they're concerned, too few answers. Listen to one mother's cries at a news conference earlier today.
[Unidentified Female:] We only have one child. We are respectful Chinese people. It's hard to control your emotions when you might have lost your loved ones. We just need the truth. Don't use them as political pawns.
[Blitzer:] CNN's David McKenzie is in Beijing, and David's been talking to the families of those on board the aircraft. David, what else are they saying to you today?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, they're saying that they are angry and frustrated, as we've been talking about, Wolf. But also, just every bit of information that comes out, that's leaked out, they are looking at, obviously, very closely, because there are huge consequences for them on that information. So, for example, when we talked about the plane rising to an extreme altitude and then dipping down to very low erratic flight behavior, they're asking the officials, "Well, could my loved one have remained conscious? Does this mean that they are dead, to put it bluntly? Does this mean they could still be alive?" All these theories have really grated on these families. And as they expanded that search area to more than 2.2 million square miles, it leaves these people desperate, as you say Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And David, why is this missing plane all of a sudden so worrisome to the Communist Party in China?
[Mckenzie:] Well, you've got this great group of, this large group of people with a strong moral voice stuck in a hotel here in Beijing, pointing the finger largely at the Malaysian government. But I've also heard people complaining about the Chinese government, these families, and they're saying that they're not getting enough support from China. And China is largely impotent in this search. Obviously, it's sending its assets to look for the plane, but it doesn't have nearly the level of capabilities of the U.S. in terms of investigation and in terms of satellite reach to figure out where this plane is in the South Pacific, in the Pacific to the west of Australia. So the Chinese government faces the issue that it needs to look like it's protecting its citizens, and if that anger shifts at all towards the Chinese government, it's a very problematic thing indeed for them.
[Blitzer:] Certainly would be. David McKenzie in Beijing. Thank you. So while the passengers' families await any kind of definite word about what happened, we're hearing from pilots who say one of the most logical explanations for the plane's disappearance is being completely overlooked. CNN's Athena Jones is here in THE SITUATION ROOM looking at this part of the story Athena.
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Wolf. It seems like every day we hear about a new theory to explain just what happened to this airplane. One of the experts I spoke with today stressed that it usually takes more than one problem to bring down a jet. So what's intriguing about this particular theory is that it's so simple.
[Jones:] Theories about what caused Flight 370 to vanish abound.
[Najib Razak, Malaysian Prime Minister:] The aircraft's movements were consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.
[Jones:] Could hijacking or renegade pilot or terrorism explain what Malaysian authorities say was a deliberate action to turn the plane off-course? Probably not, some pilots are saying.
[Les Abend, Pilot And Contributing Editor, "flying Magazine":] I just do not believe that this could be a nefarious event. I see a professional flight crew that tried to handle a situation.
[Jones:] There's a simpler explanation that could account for what happened. A fire, perhaps caused by an electrical problem, leaves the cockpit to fill up with smoke, like in this simulation. Under this theory, the flight crew does what any experienced pilots would do, putting on their oxygen masks, turning the plane toward the closest airport to try to land safely, punching the destination into the flight computer.
[Abend:] The objective really is to get yourself on the ground as quickly and as safely as possible.
[Jones:] The plane turns west, but smoke soon fills the cockpit, overwhelms the captain and copilot, and shorts out the plane's communication systems. With the pilots incapacitated or worse and no one awake to land the plane, it keeps flying on its last programmed course, past any airports, and eventually runs out of fuel and crashes somewhere in the Indian Ocean.
[Unidentified Male:] Swiss Air 111 heavy is declaring Pan, Pan, Pan. We have smoke in the cockpit.
[Jones:] Fire has caused fatal accidents before, like the 1998 crash of Swiss Air Flight 111 off Nova Scotia.
[Abend:] I think it's a very plausible idea.
[Jones:] But there are still some problems with this theory. For instance, if there was such a big fire, how would the plane be able to keep flying for another seven to eight hours, as authorities believe it did? And if there was a fire or smoke, why didn't the cockpit crew sound the alarm, like the pilots of that Swiss Air flight we just heard about? So there's still a lot more questions than answers here, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes, that theory. I think a lot of people are looking closer at that now, as well. We'll see where it goes. Athena, thanks very much. Just ahead, we'll take you into a cockpit similar later to show you what it takes to change course by reprogramming the computer. And we're also exploring one of the more controversial theories about what could have caused the jet to change course. Could the plane's electronics, the computer in the cockpit, could it have been hacked?

[Unidentified Male:] It was pretty much what I expected, given it was a Seth Rogen movie. The gore wasn't too much. Not as much as I thought it would be. Overall, it was pretty funny and I think it was well executed.
[Harlow:] Have you seen "The Interview"? A lot of folks have. It earned $1 million in its first day, released on Christmas day. By comparison, of course, that's not a ton. "Dumb and Dumber," $36 million in its opening weekend. But "The Interview" was only released to a few thousand theaters. But the controversy around the film is escalating. North Korea releasing an odd, very angry statement accusing President Obama of forcing the release of the film. I want to read you part of the statement. It says, quote, "Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest. And later made this threat, if the U.S. persists in American- style arrogant, high-handed and gangster-like arbitrary practices despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK the U.S. should bear in mind its failed political affairs will face inescapable deadly blows." North Korea also demanding the FBI release its evidence implicating North Korea in a cyber attack against Sony. Just as some U.S. cyber experts say they're not so sure it was Sony that sorry, they're not so sure it was a North Korea that hacked Sony. Joining me to talk about it is CNN commentator, Ben Ferguson; and CNN legal analyst, Mel Robbins. Thank you for being here. First of all, Ben your reaction to that statement out of North Korea and frankly your takeaway from this entire debacle over "The Interview."
[Ben Ferguson, Cnn Political Commentator:] I'm just glad that we got that actual statement. I was worried with their Internet being shut down by somebody, again, that they were going to have to send it by bird, you know. It's nice to know at least we let their Internet be up for a couple hours. It's a classic example of just how out of touch with reality this regime is. It's so sad the people there, you know, instead of him worrying about American movies, maybe he should worry about feeding his own people and people in slave labor who have no rights and can't speak out and can't even stand up, you know, without being worried that someone in their government's going to hit them. You want to talk about atrocities. I'm not too worried about them. Let's be honest, ultimately, right now, what they're good at is hacking. They got a lot of time on their hands and they have to send people out of their own country to even learn how to hack and then they got to hack from other countries. So I think this is, you know, a bunch of hoopla for them. I think it's embarrassing that we're actually treating them with so much, I guess you'd say, respect as some adversary. And I think shutting down their Internet just shows how weak they really are as a country are right now because of their leader.
[Harlow:] But look at the damage done by the Sony hack that the FBI says the evidence bears out that it was North Korea. Mel, what do you make of the fact that this comedy, right, this comedy movie is emblematic of our, you know, fight and many people say this was a real fight against terrorism?
[Mel Robbins, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, I do think it was a fight against terrorism, and I do. You know, as much as I am sitting here chuckling as I was listening to Ben, I don't think it's kind of funny or something that we should downplay. I think this is the beginning of a lot of these kind of new-age terror attacks where countries that are as isolated, as backwards, as you know, we look at them and say, oh, he's crazy, he's this, no, he's not. Since the 1990s they've had a military-first policy that employs a strategy where they isolate their people. They starve them. They enslave them. They elevate the dictator. And they also try to keep everybody on edge as if they might get attacked. And they do that so that they can maintain control without actually having to go to war with anybody.
[Ferguson:] And, Mel, here's the thing. I agree with you and I think the bigger picture from this is we should be reminded in a very heavy- handed way by our government that this exactly what is going on in this country and identify think some people have missed it because of the whole movie aspect of it. This is the new type of terrorism. And it's going to come from North Korea and other nations as well. But this is when the president should step up in a big way and say, we don't put up with this, especially from you. And if we did shut down their Internet, I personally would like to claim it.
[Robbins:] Yes.
[Harlow:] Mel, do you think that the president in saying earlier that he believes Sony made a mistake by saying at first it wasn't going to release the film and we know it happened, it got released in some theaters and online, but do you believe that was the president taking a stand?
[Robbins:] No. In fact, I think it was the president throwing Sony under the bus because he didn't stand up and claim it as a terrorist act and say our government will not
[Ferguson:] Bingo.
[Robbins:] stand for this kind of assault on U.S., you know, companies, on our freedom of speech, on the free markets. If he stepped up and said we will retaliate, you know, bit for bit. If he had stepped forward and said, this is an attack on free markets, on our Constitution, this is business terrorism, this is we take this seriously and there will be a response.
[Ferguson:] Yeah. And not even mention Sony
[Harlow:] So, tougher rhetoric. Guys, Ben, we got to get a break in. We'll come back with you on the other side. But also, shouldn't we be talking about China and China's role in facilitating Internet access in North Korea, you know, politically, that has implications we'll talk about it, too. Quick break. We'll be back on the other side talking about this. The president has been a man of action since losing Congress in the midterm elections since the Republican wave. He's done it all without input from Congress, "going it alone." Is this a sign of what's to come for 2015?

[Cooper:] Late developments in a shooting rampage that paralyzed the city of Mesa, just outside Phoenix, Arizona today. Six people shot, one of them killed in a series of locations this morning. And now a suspect is in custody. He is a skinhead. In fact, he has the actual words skinhead in head tattooed there above his eyebrows or as his eyebrows. You see the number 88 on the side of his face. That's skinhead code for Hail Hitler. The suspect is the man with a long criminal record, as you might imagine. Joining us now is Stephanie Elam in Mesa with the very latest on who he is and what police are saying. Did this guy know the people that he shot or allegedly shot?
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. Police do believe that this suspect did know the people, at least in the first interaction that he had when he started shooting. Now, just taking a look. It happened right down the street here in Mesa, Arizona. And the man they say his name is Ryan Giroux. They said they have now confirmed that that his name, releasing that name now. The shooting started when he apparently had an argument in a motel room and then outside of that room, they believed, he then shot three people, one of them being a man that has now died. He also wounded two women there. They believe after that point, he started to run to try to get away from this and that's when more people were hurt. There was one student from nearby East Valley Institute of Technology who was injured. And then they also believe the suspect carjacked a Honda, which is still not been recovered and then broke into an apartment. Shot the man there and then broke into an adjacent apartment complex to another apartment unit and shot another man there. Both those men are expected to live. Police believe that he was trying to rob both of those men when he shot them, Anderson.
[Cooper:] Where did they finally find them?
[Elam:] They actually found him inside of a vacant condominium. He was on the second floor. SWAT, Mesa SWAT was able to surround him, find him. They tasered him to get control of him. He was taken to a hospital where he was treated and released. And at this point, we understand that he is being interviewed by the police department at this time, Anderson.
[Cooper:] All right. Stephanie Elam, thanks very much. Now Caroline Kennedy, she is Washington's top diplomat in Japan, of course. Perhaps, America's best known ambassador peer and someone who at the very young age saw both her father and uncle murdered. According to Japanese media, authorities there investigating recent death threats against her. This is happening with two American VIPs in Japan and we have seen tonight, growing concern about security of U.S. diplomatic facilities around the world. Jim Acosta has more.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Correspondent:] The state department said it's taking seriously news reports out of Tokyo that Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of an American political dynasty and U.S. ambassador to Japan, was the subject of death threats.
[Jen Psaki, State Department Spokesperson:] We take every step possible to protect our personnel. We're working with the Japanese government to ensure that necessary security measures are in place.
[Acosta:] State department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the reported phoned in threats to Kennedy and another American diplomat in Okinawa last month they have not prompted security changes at the U.S. embassy in Japan. That's despite the fact that first lady Michelle Obama just landed in Tokyo for an overseas trip that will included a meeting with Kennedy. Former president Bill Clinton was just in Tokyo appearing alongside Kennedy before delivering a speech on her father's legacy which was cut short a half century ago. The president's selection of a child of Pamela to become ambassador to Japan in 2013 was a sign of Asia's growing significance in U.S. foreign policy.
[Thomas Schieffer, Former U.s. Ambassador To Australia:] The Japanese government in particular will take this very seriously. They provide the bulk of the security for the American ambassador. I'm confident that the Japanese will do everything they can to protect Ambassador Kennedy.
[Acosta:] Diplomatic personnel in Asia are already on edge after the knife attack on U.S. ambassador to South Korea, Mark Lippert, who is awaiting a security report on that incident.
[Mark Lippert, U.s. Ambassador To South Korea:] I think they're going to get to the bottom of it and take a hard look at all the tactics, procedures in place both here in Seoul and around the world.
[Acosta:] State department security overseas is now a constant concern, considering the recent evacuation of U.S. embassy in Yemen, the suspension of consular services in Saudi Arabia, and the closing of the U.S. embassy in Djibouti. As of that apparent threat to Ambassador Kennedy, Japanese media reports say it was phoned in by an English speaking man. But authorities either don't know or they are not saying at this point who that person could be. Jim Acosta, CNN, the White House.
[Cooper:] Well, just ahead, the body camp video showing the fatal shooting by a mentally ill man by police. His mom had called the police to help get her son to the hospital. Details ahead.

[Sciutto:] Welcome back. U.S. airstrikes are helping to loosen the grip of ISIS on a key dam in Mosul in Northern Iraq. The strikes are helping Kurdish forces on the ground retake at least part of the dam. But is the U.S. help too late to stabilize Iraq? Want to discuss now with former U.S. ambassador to NATO, he's Nicholas Burns. He's also now with the Kennedy School of Government of Harvard. Thank you for joining us, Ambassador Burns.
[Nicholas Burns, Former U.s. Undersecretary For Political Affairs:] Thank you, Jim.
[Sciutto:] So I was reading your editorial, which came out of your conversations with former secretaries of state, Rice and Albright, as well as former Defense Secretary Bob Gates. And you all seem to agree that the combination of the crisis in Iraq and Syria and Ukraine is really the defining moment of the Obama presidency. And I just wonder, do you think that the policy response from the White House is up to that challenge? Is it meeting the challenge?
[Burns:] Well, those are my words in a "Boston Globe" op-ed last week, Jim. I think this is the most important period for Obama's foreign policy, President Obama's foreign policy. In Iraq, if the ISIS if the ISIS, Islamic State advance cannot be halted, there is the possibility, of course, that Iraq will be further weakened. It could disintegrate. That would have profound implications for the rest of the Middle East and of course, for United States interests. And of course in Russia, President Putin is drawing new lines in Ukraine, he's dividing Europe. He's continuing to supply the Ukrainian rebels, the Russian separatist rebels, I should say in Ukraine, with military hardware. So these are, I think, the two most important tests for president Obama's foreign policy in his presidency.
[Sciutto:] Let me ask you because you referenced this in your editorial and you and I talked about this before, there is a perception of U.S. disengagement and lack of influence in both of these conflicts. Do you think that's fair?
[Burns:] I think there is a general perception, a narrative, if you will, across the world that the United States is no longer acting with as much self-confidence and energy and leadership as it has in the past. The president does have an opportunity in these two crises to counteract that. And I think particularly in Iraq, where the fighting has gone better in recent days for the Peshmerga, the Kurdish forces against the Islamic State, the United States is stepping up its actions. The U.S. airstrikes over the weekend were pivotal according to all the news reports in pushing back the ISIS fighters and with Prime Minister Maliki's resignation, there is now an opportunity for the United States to give much more military assistance to the Iraqi government. And to have the Sunni leaders play a bigger role in supporting that government. So I think the United States does have an opportunity to do better in Iraq and to reinforce the Iraqi state. And in Russia, of course, the real test is whether the sanctions put forward by the United States and European Union can persuade President Putin, that the price is too high for him to continue arming and funding these separatists.
[Sciutto:] Let me ask you about Ukraine there and I do want to get back to Iraq. Talking about Ukraine, to this point, the administration strategy has been to gradually raise the costs on Russia, to deter them from further military action in Ukraine. While those costs have gone up, though, there has been further military action in Ukraine. There has been escalation, not de- escalation. In fact, the Ukrainian president has called the most recent action an invasion. U.S. Not going that far. But is U.S. policy working in Ukraine? It doesn't seem to be deterring the Russian president.
[Burns:] Well, there was a major development over the weekend, Jim, and that is that the Ukrainian government retook control of the center of Luhansk. There are lots of reports that some of the Russian ethnic leaders who have been leading the insurgency in Eastern Ukraine have left and gone back to Russia over the last several days. It does look like the momentum is with the Ukrainian government in reasserting sovereignty in Eastern Ukraine, retaking some of the key checkpoints in Donetsk and Luhansk. And that way I think the president's policy has been the right policy. He has not introduced American military forces and I think there would be very little public support for that. But he has now pushed the Europeans to do more on sanctions. And the president has an opportunity at the NATO summit in just two weeks' time to reinforce the NATO allies that are on the front lines of the conflict, Romania and Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. It may be we're beginning to see President Obama's policy is working in Ukraine.
[Sciutto:] Let me ask you about Iraq. You have these airstrikes over the weekend around Mosul helping apparently to retake the dam. The president said there is military action there granted from the air not the ground, it will take months, not weeks. The Iraqi military hasn't proven up to the task. Do the American people, do our viewers have to prepare for the U.S. military to be involved in Iraq for the long haul going forward?
[Burns:] Well, I think President Obama has been clear that this is not going to be a repetition of the Iraq war when we had 150,000 American troops in Iraq, when we fought a ground war. The president said he's going to use air power to try to knock back the Islamic State fighters, assist both the Iraqi military and the Kurdish Peshmerga forces to retake the city of Mosul and they essentially retook Mosul Dam this morning. A very important spot, 30 miles west of Mosul. Mosul is the second largest city in Iraq. And so if the Peshmerga and Iraqi forces can take it from the Islamic State, that will be a major victory. I don't think we'll see a repetition of what the United States did from 2003 to 2008 in Iraq, but it is very important that the U.S. use its air power to try to strike at the Islamic State forces. They're a threat, not only to Iraq, but to Syria. And they're also a threat to the United States and Europe because there are thousands of fighters there, many hundreds of whom may have western passports. We don't want to see them infiltrated to our society, trained as terrorists. There are good reasons why the president has done what he's done, but I think are limits he imposes limits on the scale of the American effort.
[Sciutto:] I'm glad you mentioned that threat to the U.S. more than 100 U.S. intelligence officials say, American fighters among ISIS, the concern that they come home and carry out attacks as well. Thanks very much, Ambassador Nick Burns joining us from Rhode Island. Always great to have you on the air. Coming up next on NEW DAY, another night of clashes in Ferguson, Missouri. The governor sending in the National Guard. The very latest from Don Lemon, who is on the ground in Ferguson right after this.

[Fareed Zakaria:] Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. I'm Fareed Zakaria. We will start today with the prisoner swap for Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and the firestorm it has produced. I have a great panel to talk about the issues that the case has brought to the fore. What is a human life worth? And what about when that human is an American soldier? Then what is it like to be held by the Taliban? What goes on in the heads of the Taliban foot soldiers? I will talk to David Rohde who was held by America's enemy in Afghanistan for seven months and 10 days. Also why one of the most important cases before the Supreme Court is about teeth whitening. Then the consequences of global warming may seem far off for you, but for this man, they are now. The president of an island nation struggles to figure out how to stop his country from sinking literally. And white, black, Asian, we're all the same, right? My guest says wrong. New research shows that the races have different genes that make us different people. A controversial theory that we will explore. But first, here's my take. The controversy over Bowe Bergdahl has largely obscured what should have been an important initiative by the Obama administration. The president's trip to Poland was one more step in what is going to be the central task of American foreign policy over the next decade deterring a great power challenge. You see, the world today for most countries is stable, peaceful and open and it rests on an order built by the United States. Since the end of the Cold War, that order has not been challenged by any other major world player until now. Russia's actions in the Ukraine are a serious challenge and President Obama has responded to them seriously enacting some sanctions, rallying support in western Europe and reassuring eastern Europe. The president's critics in Washington feel this isn't enough, that he is showing dangerous weakness. In a spirited essay in "The New Republic", the conservative writer Robert Kagan argues that Obama is forgetting the chief lesson of modern American foreign policy. Instead of leaning back, Washington needs a, quote, "pervasive forward involvement in the affairs of the world," unquote, he says. Kagan's model of a successful American strategy is the FDRTruman administration as World War II ended. Even when new threats were unformed, that administration maintained massive military power and talked and acted tough. But Kagan then notes, seemingly unaware of the implications, what followed in the later years of the Truman administration was the Soviet Union challenged America across the globe, China turned communist and deeply anti-American, and North Korea invaded South Korea. In other words, all of the things that leaning forward were meant to deter happened anyway. Kagan's main example undermines his central logic. And today's tasks are far more complicated than previous ones. The United States is seeking to deter China from expansion while also attempting to integrate it into the global economy and global order. Even with Russia, the goal is not to force the collapse of the Russian regime, which would not be replaced by a pro-western liberal democracy, but rather to deter Moscow's aggressive instincts and hope over time it will evolve along a more cooperative line. Imagine if the United States were to decide to combat China fully and frontally, building up its naval presence in the Pacific, creating new bases and adopting a more aggressive and forceful attitude. China would surely respond in a variety of ways military, political and economic. This would allow almost all the countries in Asia, even the ones worried today about Beijing's assertiveness because China is their largest trading partner and the key to their economic well- being. What they want from Washington is a kind of emergency insurance policy, not a new Cold War. Even with Russia while European countries have understood that Moscow needs to pay a price for its behavior in Ukraine, they all want Russia as an economic partner. Their goal is to set a price for bad behavior but maintain economic and political bonds and hope that these grow over time. The challenge for Washington then is not simple deterrence but deterrence and integration. A sophisticated, complicated task, but the right one. Leaning forward sounds great. Echoing as it does show Sandburg's famous mantra to lean in. But while that's a powerful and inspirational idea for women in the workplace, it is a simplistic, dangerous guide for a superpower in a complex world. For morefareed and read my "Washington Post" column this week. And let's get started. So let's get to some of the deeper issues surrounding the release of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and the swap of Taliban prisoners for him. Joining me is David Rohde, the Reuters columnist who was taken hostage by the Taliban and held for more than seven months. Bret Stephens is the foreign affairs columnist for the "Wall Street Journal" and Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst and director of national security studies of the New American Foundation. Welcome. Bret, I have to start with you. Even for you, you have written a fiery column this week in which you asked a former a soldier what he thought should be done with Bergdahl. The former operator suggested a firing squad might be appropriate.
[Bret Stephens, Wall Street Journal's "global View" Columnist:] Well, I wrote that in part because this was just after the weekend where the administration, you heard Susan Rice talk about Bergdahl having served with honor and distinction but in the military community it became very clear very quickly that he had perhaps served with not the greatest honor and distinction and there's a great deal of anger. This Special Forces operations soldier I talked to was involved in trying to locate him and at least he claimed that American soldiers died in the search for Bergdahl. I know that's controversial. So my point wasn't to endorse that view. It was simply to suggest that not everyone shared in the administration's enthusiasm for the release of the soldier in exchange for these five hardened Taliban commanders.
[Zakaria:] So should we have done everything we could to bring him back as we do with other prisoners of war?
[Stephens:] We should have made a great effort to bring him back, absolutely, irrespective of the questions of his desertion. Ultimately I don't think this is about the circumstances of Bergdahl's service. I think it's about the price the administration was prepared to pay for his release and also the the way in which they played this. Because I understand that there are agonizing moral choices that an American president faces when dealing with the lives of servicemen. But I'm wondering whether we didn't pay too high a price to have him redeemed. This is one soldier being exchanged for five of five Taliban commandoes
[Zakaria:] The Israelis is good for a thousand.
[Stephens:] I'm glad I'm glad you're citing Israeli military policy as a precedent. I think Israelis make a mistake and they pay for it in the fact that it creates a moral hazard so that Hamas, Hezbollah, have an incentive to take other Americans. Who is the next American, by the way, who's going to be taken hostage in exchange for a ransom?
[Zakaria:] So, Peter Bergen, you understand this very well. What is the distinction here that we should think about between an army officer you know, an army sergeant, who is regarded as a prisoner of war and we routinely do prisoner of war exchanges as does every country in the world and a hostage for a terrorist group where we are told that we shouldn't do this thing because of moral hazard, it encourages hostage taking. You don't want to reward terrorism.
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Yes, I think Bret is right. You know, it was not the circumstances of how Bergdahl left his post is immaterial. But, you know, we are talking about a prisoner of war exchange. I think you raise a very good point, Fareed. It's not you're not negotiating with a terrorist from a technical point of view. By the way, the Afghan-Taliban is not designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist group. The Haqqani network which is a subset is, and there was a long debate in the administration whether to designate it or not. In the end they were designated. The point is but I think on the question of the big question that Bret has raised is, who are these people? How then to resolve it. I think there are three points you can make here. One, you know, Qatar is one of the richest countries in the world, it's also a very efficient police state. They have made a guarantee that these guys will be bound from travel. By the time they are allowed to travel a year now, combat U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan will be over by then for six months. We will not be in this state of war in Afghanistan in quite the same way. So both from a legal and military perspective, it's a very different situation at that point. And at that point, you know, American presence will be much smaller so the idea that they may well pose a threat, no one is pretending otherwise, but the threat they pose is a year if now whereas we got this guy back right now and that was a definite delivery rather than some punitive problem that may exist in a year from now. It may not even be that a big deal.
[Zakaria:] So would you have done it, Peter? You feel like
[Bergen:] Yes. I totally we are fully this was always the deal. There was no, you know, we'll send you maybe two people or three people. There's deals for these five guys was a deals. You either have a deal or you don't.
[Zakaria:] What do you think, when listening to this question of, is he a prisoner of war, is he a hostage of a terrorist group, you were a hostage. You were not you were a reporter.
[David Rohde, Columnist, Reuters:] I'm surprised this case unfolded that there has been less so little scrutiny of Pakistan. I was held for seven months in Pakistan. Bowe Bergdahl was held there for five years. Last night on CNN, David Sedney said that the Pakistani military made no effort to pressure the Haqqanis to get Bowe released and they made no effort to find him. We've given at least, you know, $15 billion in aid to Pakistan in this entire thing. So that's a huge question to me.
[Zakaria:] Impressive. Your original in your original if I can just interrupt.
[Rohde:] Sure. You have this in your original "New York Times" article there's this one compelling moment where you escape with a couple of people, Afghans, and you finally make it, you escaped from the Taliban and you make it to Pakistani army post and your guys, the Afghans coming with you say, well, for god's sake, don't go there. They'll just take us back to exactly the place we came from. And I agree. And I don't know why there isn't more anger at Pakistan for example. And there was a mention of Israel and its trades. You know, France and other European governments in the last three years have paid over $100 million in ransom to al Qaeda affiliates. So they were looking for U.S. soldiers before this case was done. They're looking for U.S. civilians. There's a half dozen U.S. civilians in captivity right, you know, now today. So Bowe must answer questions but vilifying this one soldier instead of looking at this larger dynamic I think is unfair.
[Stephens:] David rightly points out, there are Americans that are being held all over the place. We have a set number of things that we can give them. Do we really want to get in the business of constantly bribing Haqqani network people, Taliban people, al Qaeda people, because Americans who get themselves into trouble in
[Zakaria:] But this is American tourists. This is American
[Stephens:] Yes.
[Zakaria:] This is an American soldier who was fighting in a military operation.
[Stephens:] Yes. And there is there is good evidence that there's a former CIA officer who is being held by Iran. Exactly what price or may have been held by Iran for many years. What price are we going to pay for him? Judgments have to be made by any administration about the value and the sacrifice a country exacts for the redemption of the this is a difficult moral issue and I can understand how this administration had wrestled hard with this issue and said quietly we're going to bring him back. This was treated as an occasion, what was supposed to be a great triumph for the administration, a clear cut case where all Americans were supposed to celebrate. And I'm not surprised that a lot of soldiers who paid a very high price looking for Bergdahl are not are not so impressed by the administration's claims.
[Zakaria:] Thank you, gentlemen. David Rohde, stay with us. When we come back we're going to go in-depth with you on what it is like to be held by the Taliban.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn:] Good evening. Thanks very much for joining us. Tonight, jurors in the "American Sniper" trial tell us how they decided that a killer, whose victim Chris Kyle, called straight up nuts was nonetheless not criminally insane. We begin though with three suspects and three words. The suspects, three men all residents of Brooklyn New York accused to try to join ISIS, two of them stopped as they were about to leave the country. The word plain and simple from New York police commissioner Bill Bratton, this is real, he said.
[Bill Bratton, New York City Police Department Commissioner:] This is the concern about the lone Wolf inspired to act without going to the media or concern of once they get to the Middle East, acquire fighting skills, capabilities and then attempting to return to the country.
[Cooper:] Authorities nabbed one suspect this morning at New York's Hannity airport. He was trying to fly to Turkey. Another suspect booked on a later fight flight was arrested at home in Brooklyn. A third man arrested in Florida. Now, all three allegedly talked about carrying out a variety of attacks in this country, one allegedly talked about assassinating the president. The latest now from Deborah Feyerick who is outside of the federal courthouse in Brooklyn. Also joining us is justice correspondent Evan Perez who first broke the story of arrest. So Deb, what's the latest? What do we know about these suspects and exactly what they're accused of?
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, we can tell you two of the three here were at federal court this afternoon. The hearing was delayed, Anderson, because one of the man had asked for an Uzbek translator and that took a couple of hours delaying this hearing. The 19-year-old, he was picked up on the Jet way. He was arrested as he tried to board the plane to Turkey in order to get to Syria. The third man, the money man, he was in Florida. He owns a series of kiosks in Savannah, Philadelphia, and Virginia Beach. That's how he makes money, selling kitchen ware and also fixing mobile phones. All three have been charged with conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. Now, specifically, the two wanted to jihadists planned to travel to Syria. But they did have back-up plans, Anderson. And one of the reasons they have the back-up plan is that the 19-year-old, his mom actually confiscated his passport fearing that's exactly what he wanted to do. So he came up with this plan b according to court documents. He allegedly was going to join the military and
[Cooper:] And the government sources that you're talked to, I understand, they are describing this as something that they have not seen before. How is it, the dual plans?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, you know, Anderson, I think what this represents for law enforcement is an elevation of what they already believe was, you know, real threat and what you hear from law enforcement that you know, from what we've heard in the past couple of years, especially with regard to ISIS, was this concern about Americans traveling over there, getting, you know, some kind of know-how about fighting and bringing it back here. In this case, what they're talking about is a real sell. If you read the court documents, a real act of sell, which had plans. Again, there were plan Bs, but there were plans to do something here and that was something they haven't seen before. There is also something different that's here, and that we've seen a lot of these cases come from around the country. And I talked to prosecutors recently about exactly why we hadn't seen anything out of New York City, the biggest city in the country and now we've seen that. And again, that's something that is really alarming to them because they know that, you know, once you see it in New York, you know, there could be other types of cells around the country.
[Cooper:] Deb, do we know much about how law enforcement actually got on to these three suspects and do they feel they got everybody involved in this?
[Feyerick:] Well, Anderson, they do feel that they got everybody involved in this. And one of the reasons is that the 24-year-old who actually worked at a gyro king actually was caught on a web site talking about some of the things that he wanted to do including joining ISIS. And so through him, the FBI was able to get to others, to this 19-year-old, also to the money man and then they sent in a confidential informant. That confidential informant was crucial in helping the FBI make this case against the three men. But also, it was the confidential informant who actually was able to help the 19-year-old get a new passport and he told him that he had to go down to the immigration office in Manhattan and get Photographed and fingerprinted and that's exactly what the 19-year-old did. And he said he felt joyful, his soul felt happy.
[Cooper:] Deb Feyerick, appreciate it. Evan Perez, very important, thanks very much.
[Fran Townsend, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, remember, in the case of the Ottawa bad guy, he couldn't leave the country. He couldn't leave Canada because the authorities stopped him. And so, you know, this is, we have to remember, this is a learning organization. These guys watch the news. They understand what the contingencies are. And so they're planning for it, very concerning. Look. The FBI, I don't know that it's fair to say they identified everybody in this ring. You know, Deb was saying that they had. They certainly identified the immediate ring through the informant. But the answer is they took this down not because they have identified the complete network. They took this down because the guy at the airport getting ready to get on the plane and if they didn't arrest him then, they wouldn't have had that option. And so they took it down because they had to. It's not clear to me that they actually had identified the entire network.
[Cooper:] So you think that a group like ISIS actually prefers that people like these guys would actually stay in the United States? They're actually more valuable to them here?
[Shawn Henry, President, Crowdstrike Services:] I think that's certainly something that we need to look at. That's one of the things that the FBI and DHS, the
[Cooper:] Shawn, from a law enforcement standpoint, you know, there are people who are very skeptical when they hear about a case like this and hear, wait, a confidential informant, he told this guy how to go down and get a passport. I mean, how smart can this guy have been if he didn't know how to go down and get himself a passport, is there an element of them being set up or kind of led down a path? From a law enforcement standpoint, how do you defend that?
[Henry:] When you've got people that are making these types of statements talking about the jihadi cause, talking about traveling over supporting ISIS, talking about hurting Americans, killing the president, you've got to follow all these leads to their logical conclusion. In a case like this, it's very often difficult to prosecute these cases where people are making statements. There's a balance between freedom of speech in what somebody says and is it aspirational or is this real. The FBI about introducing confidential informant is looking to get some overt acts to demonstrate that clearly he was intending to make this charge. He was intending to go over. He wanted to cause harm. So that's a balance part of the investigation. But you can't turn ahead, your head against these things. You've got to follow these to their logical conclusion to make sure you keep Americans safe.
[Cooper:] If you don't do that, if you don't go down the road with them, and do something, God forbid something happens, you get blamed for not having fully investigated.
[Henry:] I mean, the FBI is looking to collect evidence of their intentions. They were very clear on what their intentions were. They had to provide the capability to record that activity, so it was very clear. This was not aspirational. This was not just puffery. This was somebody who wanted to take acts to harm Americans.
[Townsend:] Anderson, I'll tell you. The track record of the FBI in this sort of an incident is very good. They understand very well, they are working with prosecutors. They understand where the line is. And so, their ability to defend these cases in these investigations is virtually unparalleled, right? They haven't gotten these things reversed because they understand very well not to over lead the individual.
[Cooper:] I want to play something the FBI director said today.
[James Comey, Fbi Director:] I have home grown violent extremism investigations in every single state. Until a few weeks ago, it was 49 states. Alaska had none. I couldn't quite figure out but Alaska has now joined the group. So we have investigations of people in various stages of radicalizing in all 50 states.
[Cooper:] It's really interesting I think a lot of people to hear that. Because you don't, as much as we know about, you know, and we've seen happen around the world and even here in the United States with the number of incidents, it's still kind of shocking to hear that every state of the union, there are investigations going on.
[Townsend:] What he didn't say is that in every state of the union there's one. In certain communities like New York, there's many more than one. The FBI's investigative resources are incredibly stretched. And so, it's important in places like New York. But they're working with the local police department to develop sources, to develop leads and to do surveillance and follow them. And so this is a real problem. Let's remember, ISIS had said they want to bring their brand of terrorism here to the United States. You've got to take it seriously when the FBI is.
[Cooper:] Fran Townsend, thank you. Shawn Henry, thank you so much Were you surprised how quick it was, ultimately, about three hours, I think.
[Unidentified Female:] I wasn't. Because, in my heart, no. I wasn't. I wasn't surprised. When I heard all the other jurors speak their piece, I was not surprised.
[Cooper:] Welcome back. In just a moment tonight, you are going to hear two jurors in the "American Sniper" talked about how they reached agreement. Late last night, they have Eddie Ray Routh was guilty of first degree murder in the killings of Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. They are speaking out tonight. And for the first time, we can now see and hear what transpired in the courtroom and the police interview where Mr. Routh was first interrogated. Ed Lavandera has all of that.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] This is Eddie Ray Routh confessing to the murders, wearing the clothes he wore to the country side country range that day. Chad Littlefield's blood still staining his boots.
[Unidentified Male:] What happened out there today other than shooting sports?
[Eddie Ray Routh, Suspect In The Killing Of Chris Kyle And Chad Littlefield:] I was reasonable and fair with them boys. I can't just keep eating my soul up about this. You know, you can't just keep letting people eat your soul up for free. You know. It's not what it's about. It's about having a soul that you have to you for yourself and there are.
[Unidentified Male:] You talk to your sister today. What did you tell her?
[Routh:] I told her I had to kill men today. It wasn't a want to. I had to, a need to.
[Lavandera:] And the jury heard from Chris Kyle's wife, Taya.
[Unidentified Female:] Who were you married to prior to February 2nd, 2013?
[Taya Kyle, Chris Kyle's Wife:] Chris Kyle. I'm sorry. I'm not nervous. I'm just emotional.
[Lavandera:] Emotional as she remembered the last time she saw her husband.
[Kyle:] Chad had an extra set of eyes and then I said, maybe, make sure that this guy knows that Chad can be trusted 100 percent so that he's comfortable saying whatever. He said, no, yes. I definitely will. And then that we loved each other, a kiss and hug like we always did.
[Lavandera:] Later, she called Kyle and sense something was wrong.
[Kyle:] Because normally, going out there, especially if they said left creek, it's beautiful. He feels very good about helping somebody, usually he is making their day and he knows it. Which is what, you know, happened earlier. He thought that the guy sounded really excited to go, and so he thought he was doing a good thing.
[Unidentified Female:] He sounded irritated when you talked to him that afternoon?
[Kyle:] Yes. It was very short and it wasn't like a short like interrupting a good time. It was short like, I wish I could say more but I'm not going to because there are people around.
[Lavandera:] And that was the last time they would ever speak. She texted him, are you OK? I'm getting worried. Chris Kyle never responded. A few hours later, Eddie Ray Routh sit in Chris Kyle's truck would be surrounded by police. And in the police interrogation tape, Routh is questioned by Texas Ranger, Danny Briley.
[Cooper:] Ed Lavandera joins us. We hear Taya Kyle on the stand there. Has she reacted publicly to the verdict?
[Lavandera:] We haven't heard any public reaction. In fact, she wasn't even in the courtroom when the verdict was read last night, Anderson. As defense attorneys were giving their closing arguments toward the end of that, Taya Kyle got up and left the courtroom after having sat through two weeks of testimony. Obviously, excruciating for her. Sounds like she couldn't be in that courtroom anymore. She got up and left and wasn't even around for the verdict, Anderson.
[Cooper:] Yes. She has been through incredible. Ed Lavandera, thanks very much. Now, two members of the jury, I spoke with jurors Stacie Matthews and Heidi Correa earlier tonight. So Heidi, I know I mean, this case hinged on whether or not the shooter knew what he was doing, knew right from wrong when he pulled that trigger. You as a jury decided he did know right from wrong. I'm wondering, what convinced you of that?
[Heidi Correa , Juror, American Sniper Trial:] It was just kind of an overall, it was you get so much information in the matter of, you know, the 10 or 11 days of the trial. And you hear one side and you hear the other. And it was the preponderance of the evidence that he admitted he knew it was wrong. And the one hinge thing for me, everybody has their own hinge thing that convinced them, but for me, it was when he admitted that when he was riding in the back of the truck on the way to the shooting range that he said he considered killing them then. But he knew if he did that, that the truck would wreck and he would get hurt. The other thing was the Chad and Kyle thing. He shot Chad, which was a murder. It wasn't the American sniper but it was a human life. And in that moment, he knew if he didn't shoot Chris, that Chris is going to kill him.
[Cooper:] Heidi, even though you decided he knew right from wrong, did any of you believe that he did in fact suffered from some kind of mental illness?
[Correa:] The thing that is hard about it is you might think in the back, maybe he was crazy. The dude was definitely not right. I mean, there was he definitely was an unhinged person. But at the same time, every time he got in trouble for something, which was violent behavior, and got the police were called, he was taken, he claimed PTSD and said, I'm a veteran and they took him to the V.A. instead of taking him to the police and arresting him. And every time he went to the V.A., he was tested positive for drugs and alcohol. And so they could not specify what was causing his psychosis. And they told him over and over again, until we can diagnose you. You have to get off the drugs and alcohol. When we get the charge as a jury, the defense had to prove beyond a preponderance of reason or preponderance of the evidence, 51-49 is all it had to be, the defense never proved that beyond, you know, the preponderance of the evidence that he was clinically insane.
[Cooper:] And I mean, the defense psychiatrist testified that he had paranoid schizophrenia. Did that did you believe that? Because then the prosecution also rebutted that with their own experts.
[Stacie Matthews, Juror, American Sniper Trial:] Yes, I did. And I'm not saying any of the psychiatrists were wrong in their diagnosis. They probably felt like they were as correct as they could be given what they saw of Mr. Routh when they interviewed him. But the bottom line is there are all levels of mental illness. His mental illness was not severe enough that he did not know what he was doing was wrong.
[Cooper:] He was released from a V.A. hospital just shortly before he ended up killing Chris Kyle, and his mom talked about that. I think it was just a week before the shootings, he was released. His mom talked about that, trying to keep him inside the hospital because she said he wasn't ready to be released. I want to play that for our viewers what she said on the stand.
[Unidentified Male:] Did you ever plead with the Dallas V.A. not to release him?
[Jodi Routh, Eddie Ray Routh's Mother:] Absolutely, I did. On Thursday, they called me at school and said we are realizing Eddie. You need to pick him up.
[Unidentified Male:] So what did the Dallas V.A. tell, you?
[Routh:] They said, OK, we will keep him. They kept him on Thursday. Because I objected and said he's not ready.
[Unidentified Male:] A long period of time, didn't you?
[Routh:] Yes, I did.
[Unidentified Male:] And in fact, the U.S. government not released your son and they still released him?
[Routh:] Yes, sir.
[Cooper:] Heidi, I'm wondering what impact the mom had in that statement on you? I mean, the idea that her son was hospitalized just a week before the shootings and that his mom pleaded with the V.A. not to release him. Did that weigh in your thinking at all or does it come back to the never really understanding or getting a sense of what his actual psychiatric diagnosis was?
[Correa:] Well, I think the mom was pleading because she knew every time he would stay for the V.A. for a certain amount of days, he was free of the drugs and alcohol and when he got out, he was normal for a couple of days. She just didn't want him released because she knew as soon as he was out, he was going to go back to his old behavior.
[Cooper:] Our conversation covered a lot of ground. And when we continue, we are going to have more of their impressions of the trial, the evidence that they heard and the testimony that moved them. What it was actually like in the juror room. We'll be right back.

[Malveaux:] It's pretty crazy. This is out of Brazil, actually, pretty disturbing, as well. This is something that just happened, rival soccer fans essentially going wild in the stands, fighting breaking out all over, getting ugly pretty fast. Shasta Darlington actually has the story behind this.
[Shasta Darlington, Cnn Correspondent:] A bloody riot between rival soccer fans broke out at a game here in Brazil over the weekend. Several people were critically injured. One man was airlifted out. The game between Vasco Da Gama and Atletico Paranaense was halted for more than an hour while players and coaches pleaded with the fans to stop the violence and police shot rubber bullets into the crowds. Unfortunately, soccer violence is a chronic problem for the host of the next World Cup.
[Malveaux:] Really crazy.
[Holmes:] That's worrying a lot of people. Now in North Korea, some political upheaval there, and that's putting it mildly. The leader there, Kim Jong-un, has kicked his own uncle out of power, a very powerful uncle. Jang Song Thaek is accused of corruption, drug use, even womanizing
[Malveaux:] He and his allies are accused of trying to build their own power base and sell off the country's resources. And analysts say that Kim's removal of his uncle indicates that he is consolidating his power, getting rid of the old guard who were close to his father.
[Holmes:] And U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel in Pakistan today, he is talking with the prime minister there and other top officials. His first meeting was with Pakistan's new army chief of staff.
[Malveaux:] U.S. officials say that they are hoping to reach an agreement on reopening a key border checkpoint that American troops use to bring military equipment out of neighboring Afghanistan. Now, Hagel is the first defense secretary to visit Islamabad in nearly four years. Well, she was one of the people who knew him best, that lady there, Nelson Mandela's personal assistant, talking about her last visit with the man so revered by his country. That's coming up, next.

[Whitfield:] OK. That royal baby watch is in full swing as the duke and duchess of Cambridge get ready for their second child. They are due at the end of this month but know at this point, it could be any day now. Prince William and Kate haven't revealed the exact due date and we are starting to learn a little bit about the birth plan from "People" magazine, as the couple will not hire a second nanny. Kate will take nine months off her, you know, public engagements and all that and Prince William, he started a new job as an air ambulance pilot which means he will be closer to home. So let's talk more about what is planned as baby number two is about to arrive, royal commentator Victoria Arbiter joining us now. So Victoria, what do we know about, say, like the announcement or when she goes into labor or when she delivers? How much will the public know and will it be similar or very different from how things rolled out for Prince George?
[Victoria Arbiter, Royal Commentator:] Well, actually, it has already been very different, simply from the fact that the press has not been allowed to congregate outside the hospital in the same fashion that they did for Prince George. Last time around, July 1st hit and the first camera people showed up and then the media sort of got panicky and everybody showed up. Need long wait that became known as the great Kate wait. This time around, the hospital said we are not standing for that because, of course, it is an operating hospital. It is a private wing. People paid a lot of money to be in that hospital. So, we have been told that once Kate is admitted, that's when the first members of the media are allowed to start showing up. Their places have been allocated already. And then, really, it depends on how things unfold. Last time, Kate was estimated to be in labor around ten hours. She and William allowed themselves a couple of hours privately with Prince George before the announcement was made. So, really, once she has been admitted to the hospital, it could be a long waiting game.
[Whitfield:] Interesting. OK. So the public or, you know, press will be informed when she's admitted. Now, what about the whole announcement? We saw last time that all three of them, you know, came out for that official first photograph. And it wasn't that long after the birth. How might it be similar or different?
[Arbiter:] Really, it depends on what kind of birth Kate has. Hopefully, everything will go according to plan and able to have a natural birth as she did with Prince George. Generally, royals like to get out of hospital as quickly as possible because they are aware when they are in there, there is a lot of chaos that comes with a royal patient. There's security, there is all the media outside. So, if everything goes according to plan, we can expect to see Kate leave the hospital the next day in the same way that she did with George. In terms of the announcement, it was a shame that old tradition sort of seemed not quite possible last time around. And again, it comes down to the fact that there were so many people waiting, so, yes, the traditional eves will be placed in the four corners of Buckingham palace, but it's going out on twitter beforehand and social media accounts that the royal family operates because they know there's no way to keep anything private anymore it will hit twitter, obviously, that will just be beamed around the world in a nanosecond and see the easel outside.
[Whitfield:] But is it true before the twitter potential moment that in a very, you know, pragmatic kind of traditional way, the message will be hand delivered to the royal family and there won't be the use of telephone or cell phone or, you know, anybody's Iphone, et cetera? Is that true that they will go that route, happened delivering a message?
[Arbiter:] No, they are not going to hand deliver to the queen, they will put a phone call into the queen, she will probably be the first to find out, Prince Charles and of course, Kate's parents. So they are going to know before anybody else knows and then it becomes a matter of controlling the media and the public interest.
[Whitfield:] All right. Well, good luck then. They are the prettiest people, aren't they? I mean, you can't get enough of just those still imams and the video images. There's never a bad picture of any of them.
[Arbiter:] No, there isn't. And of course, everyone is hoping that George will be at the hospital. That they said they are going to decide at the time, but we will see.
[Whitfield:] That's going to be a sweet photo. All right, thanks so much. Good to see you, Victoria Arbiter. Appreciate it.
[Arbiter:] Thank you.
[Whitfield:] We have much more straight ahead in the NEWSROOM and it all starts right now.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] And here we go. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for joining me on this Thursday. You're watching CNN. We have to begin with breaking news on this story that has so much of the nation really on edge right now with what this Ferguson grand jury will decide. We still don't know as we know that the panel is deciding if Officer Darren Wilson should be indicted for shooting and killing that unarmed teenager, Michael Brown, a couple of months ago. Now we know that multiple agencies across the country have been put on alert ahead of this weekend. So let's get straight to our CNN justice correspondent, Evan Perez, who is live there in Ferguson, Missouri. And also on the phone with me is Carl Herron. He was a crisis response agent for the FBI, so we'll get his perspective. But, Evan, to you first. Just start with tell me what you know.
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Reporter:] Well, Brooke, the concern goes beyond here, beyond the streets here in Ferguson, Missouri, where we know there are going to be protests this weekend in anticipation of a grand jury decision on whether to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. We know that there are protests planned around the country in cities around the country and so law enforcement, federal and state law enforcement, is getting ready for that because we know that some of those protests will be handling will be in front of federal buildings, it will be will be targeting the police, protesting police behavior around the country. And so, you know, there's an abundance of caution here that, you know, some of those protests could get out of control and, therefore, you know, officers want to be ready just in case.
[Baldwin:] Uh-huh. Evan stay with me and, Carl, let me just bring you in, just as with your knowledge of law enforcement. I'm wondering if we just stay specific to Ferguson and the surrounding St. Louis County area, do you think that these local jurisdictions are at least getting help ahead of potential protests, perhaps this weekend, help from other officers in other jurisdictions? CARL HERRON [via telephone]: Yes. I think they're trying to get ahead of the situation here there and, you know, based on what has happened in the past there. This is all part of their contingency plan and preparedness for anything bad that could happen.
[Banfield:] Evan, just back to you quickly. The obvious question that many people want the answer to is the, when will the indictment, or not indictment, come down?
[Perez:] Right.
[Banfield:] We don't have that answer. But how much of a heads up, if any, will people have?
[Perez:] Well, Brooke, you know, we know that the grand jury is going to be coming back tomorrow and the deliberation they expect, according to the officials here, they expect will be pretty really quick. This grand jury has been living with this with this case for a couple of months now and so they'll give 48 hours' notice to law enforcement. We're told that officer, Federal Protective Service and other agencies have been told to be ready just in case there needed to react to any of the demonstrations that are planned.
[Baldwin:] Carl, we know they're already ready. We already know that there have been people, five of whom actually were arrested last night, you know, protesting. They were actually, I think I mentioned, all out of town. So I'm wondering, you know, there are, of course, those, and we talked to those people who truly have this message and want to protest peacefully, no matter the decision here from the grand jury. And then as we saw even back in August, there are these people who come from out of town to just loot and cause trouble.
[Herron:] Yes, you will have that element with anything like this where there is protests. Hopefully the what law enforcement is doing ahead of this with the notification and being getting things together, preparing for it, will help reduce any rioting or violence once the verdict is released.
[Banfield:] All right, Carl Herron, thank you for jumping on the phone for me, and, Evan Perez, thank you for the reporting. If you get anything else, obviously, we'll pop you in front of the camera and get you on live here on CNN. Meantime to breaking news as well in the Buffalo, New York area, where dozens of nursing home patients are being evacuated. This is what we're getting right now. They're being evacuated because the roof of this nursing home is starting to collapse simply because of the sheer weight of the snow. We've got CNN's Brian Todd. He is there standing by. Brian, talk to me. Tell me what the situation is.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Brooke, this is an active evacuation going on right now. Our photojournalist, Ken Tooi, as soon as this vehicle moves past us, is going to zoom in on the front door of the Garden Gate Nursing Home there where some 180 elderly people are being evacuated from the facility. They are concerned that the roof is about to collapse. You can see several feet of snow on the roof. What we were told by a fire chief earlier is that some residents noticed some cracking in the walls, some bowing of the ceilings. They brought in some inspectors. They became very concerned. They thought that the building might be compromised and it appears that it is. They're getting people out. Not all of these residents are out of here yet. They brought a few ambulance full of them out, but they still have some people left to bring out. So a real concern here. No injuries yet, Brooke, but they have to try to get these people out.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Todd:] We'll take you in there again. You see these emergency responders at the front of the building and here comes another ambulance. It's about to turn in and probably try to get some people out. No, he's passing. Anyway, this is the situation here, Brooke. This is repeated throughout the Buffalo area with roofs collapsing all over the place or are in danger of collapsing. It's a real concern and first responders just can't get to all of them fast enough.
[Baldwin:] Let me just stay on that point. Let me keep you with me, Brian, because, you know, I was talking to the fire commissioner there in Buffalo yesterday and talk about just acts of heroism and true just morale and strength. I mean here you have like record-breaking snow, right, and some of these people have at least the street I see where you are is cleared. But, you know, I know some of these emergency personnel, I've seen pictures of them carrying patients on stretchers through the snow to the hospital. How's everyone holding up?
[Todd:] Oh, yes. These guys are incredible. They are bringing in snowmobiles, stretchers to get to people at their homes. We were at a home earlier today where it took firefighters about 30 minutes just to dig through about seven feet of snow just to get to the front door of an elderly woman who needed to get out. Then they got a stretcher in there and carried her over this embankment to get her to a car. Incredible what they're doing to pull these people out. As I said, they're using snowplow, snowmobiles, stretchers, any means necessary, and they're doing it all over the place. We saw that happen in this town, Cheektowaga, several times just today. Luckily, they've got a passageway in here they can get these vehicles in. We saw some elderly people being brought out in fire vehicles and other things. But it's incredible the heroism taking place here.
[Baldwin:] Let me just stay with you and, if you can, have your PJ zoom back in, if you can, through those firefighters behind you. I'd love to get a closer glimpse again of the nursing home.
[Todd:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] And as we there we go. As we do so here we go. I know it's kind of tough to see with traffic and some of these guys, but do we know where the elderly will be taken?
[Todd:] What we're told, Brooke, is that they're being taken to a restaurant at a shopping center not far from here for now and then they're going to find some other facilities. They just want to get them into a warm, stable building and then they're going to find other facilities where they can take them. But that's a little unclear at the moment.
[Baldwin:] My goodness. Brian Todd, thank you so much, in New York, with all of that snow. And, again, just the incredible strength from these first responders to get through it and get people to safety. Thank you so much. We'll check back in with you. Now to this. We are mere hours away from President Obama's announcement of his go it alone executive action on immigration. You know, listen, this is a controversial move. It is a move that could shield more than 3 million undocumented immigrants from deportation. The speech, set for tonight at 8:00 Eastern Time, it is already infuriating the Republican Party. Some members of Congress calling the president an emperor for strong-arming the issue without congressional input. So we'll get to the political fallout here in just a second. But first, just perspective check here. You might have heard the number of undocumented immigrants coming to the United States is rising. That's wrong. OK. According to Pew, you can see that number has actually levelled off. You see the graph. Where do these undocumented immigrants settle? Well, if you look at the pie chart, the answer, you see the red piece there, California with 25 percent, followed by orange, Texas, and then Florida and then New York. But the soon to be the soon to be expected majority leader in the Senate says this isn't about the people, this is about politics.
[Sen. Mitch Mcconnell , Kentucky:] It seems to be about what a political party thinks would make for good politics. It seems to be about what a president think would be good for his legacy. Those are not the motivations that should be driving such sweeping action.
[Baldwin:] Now, President Obama says, hold on, for years he's been saying he did not want to act on immigration without Congress. Here he was.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm president of the United States of America. Congress passes the law. The executive branch's job is to enforce and implement those laws. I take executive action only when we have a serious problem, a serious issue, and Congress chooses to do nothing.
[Baldwin:] We will discuss this throughout the show. Got a number of guests lined up for you. And make sure you watch CNN's live special coverage of the president's address, as we mentioned, tonight, 8:00 Eastern, and we'll watch it here live on CNN. Don't miss that. Next, as we follow that breaking news as we showed you there in Buffalo, New York, part of the roof, as Brian Todd was covering live for us, it has collapsed. They're having to evacuate a number of these, you know, elderly folks from this home into safe areas because they can't stay there. Our cameras are all over Buffalo and the surrounding area. People in Buffalo still trapped inside their homes as round two of this historic storm is slamming the region. We'll talk to a Buffalo Bills football player. And new video has surfaced showing Bill Crosby responding to rape allegations. It's awkward and it comes as his entire legacy is threatened. Stay with me.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] This morning jurors will hear closing arguments in the Boston bombing trial. In the coming days, jurors will decide not only on a verdict, but also Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will face the death penalty. Here to break it all down, we have so much to discuss, CNN commentator and legal analyst, Mel Robbins and HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson. Hello, my friends. Good to have you both. Mel, I'll start with you. Ladies first, it seems I think to most of us a fairly open and shut case. Do you expect the decision to come from the jury fairly quickly?
[Mel Robbins, Cnn Commentator And Legal Analyst:] Yes, I do. There are 30 counts. We know 17 of them carry the death penalty. They are very straight forward actually, Michaela. So I think what we are going to see today is closing arguments and depending upon how long those go, they can take the balance of the day. You'll then going to hear the judge give the jury the charges the instructions and then the jury could get the case as soon as later today or first thing tomorrow morning, Michaela, and I think we are going to have a verdict within a day or two.
[Pereira:] Speedy and rapid, absolutely, we know the defense attorney, Judy Clark, well versed in this kind of strategy. She actually said in those opening statements, it was him, not refuting the fact that her client was there. What was her end game? What has been her strategy?
[Joey Jackson, Hln Legal Analyst:] You know, it's one strategy, only. Michaela, good morning. Good morning, Mel. The reality is this. What she's attempting to do is spare his life. There is no really mystery in terms of whether he will be convicted. We know he will be convicted, absolutely. It was him, but I think what she is trying to do is establish a context upon which it was him. He was the puppet. His brother led the way. He was controlled. He was manipulated. And I think we saw that manifest itself in the defense case where they talked about supplies and bomb components. Guess what, Michaela, they were the prints of his older controlling brother, Tamerlan and they were not his and the computer searches, guess what as to that, they were also the searches about the gun. The searches about bombs and that type thing. They came from the computer of the manipulating, controlling older brother, Tamerlan, not my client. So that's what they'll go on to in the next phase.
[Pereira:] How effective of the defense is that?
[Jackson:] You know, you use what you have as Mel can tell you and I think we'll agree to. The reality is that they're very limited here. Why? Because it, it was him and so what do you if you try to say it wasn't, is you lose credibility. That's all you have as an attorney is credibility. If the end game is to spare his life, that's the only road you can go down.
[Pereira:] Yes, Mel, go with your strength. I mean, he was seen on video. He was caught in that boat. I mean, there are so many aspects of this that are just a home run for the prosecution, but in terms of, you know, he was a victim to his brother, his brother enlisted him. His brother essentially influenced him into this heinous act. How much do you think that matters to the jurors?
[Robbins:] Well, it only has to matter to one of them because in order to get a death penalty verdict, you need a unanimous verdict for that. So the U.S. Code 228 is what will control the next phase of the trial. And what we are going to see happen is the prosecution goes first and they present what are called the aggregating factors and what those include are the actual natural crime and how heinous it was. The damage that was done, the lack of remorse and the response by Tsarnaev in the fact that he also committed a crime against America and there are aggregating factors, two of the victims, one of them, Sean Collier was a law enforcement officer and Martin Richard was just 8-years-old. Those are major aggregating factors. The mitigating factors are his age, the fact that he may have been impaired with weed. The fact that he had no criminal record and the family history, but whether or not that makes a difference, that remains to be seen. And one more thing, Michaela, under the code, the defense does not have to give us notice as to what they plan to argue. So we don't know yet what exactly they're going to do. We don't know whether or not they will put Dzhokhar on the stand in an attempt to humanize him Michaela.
[Pereira:] I want to ask you about that. Impaired with weed, for that entire siege, the days leading up to it, for the entire season even the days after when he tries to hide the evidence and influence his friends to do so?
[Robbins:] Yes, I don't think it's a viable argument at all. But as Joey said earlier, you take whatever you got. You throw it against the wall. You hope some casserole sticks with one juror.
[Pereira:] Do you think, Joey, that Dzhokhar will take the stand?
[Jackson:] I don't think it's I mean, if I'm advising him and Judy Clark certainly has the experience, the wisdom, he has to stay off that witness stand. The reality is that he would be savaged by the prosecution and it would be so much that he would have to admit. Not only that in terms of exposing him to a savage cross examination, but the other thing is, is that he could wreck his own defense. Does he now say, well, I want to die? Please put me to death. That certainly, if the jury believes he wants to die, maybe they don't put him to death. So there is an interesting psychology and dynamic that I think you will see play out during the penalty phase and obviously we're presuming the jury will find him guilty. But I think that's at a pretty good presumption to be making.
[Pereira:] So there is no doubt about his guilt that he was involved, but talk to us what we can expect about this next phase because this might be new to some.
[Jackson:] You know, interestingly enough, Michaela, I think what you are going to expect is the why he did it. I think you will learn about who he is. Remember during the trial, itself, we heard from one friend of his. That's it. That's a lot because the judge has limited what the defense was able to do in terms of the blame the older brother defense, why? It's not a defense, it's a mitigating factor. And as Mel spoke to, you have now an opportunity the defense does to speak to the issues of mitigation, why he did it. So we will learn about his family history. How he grew up, what was his psychology, what he is all about. Are there any instances of abuse or misdirection? What was the relationship like between him and his brother? Was his brother manipulating, controlling? And so this is going to be a look, Michaela, into the window of exactly who is sitting in that chair and why he was compelled to do what he did.
[Pereira:] I want to get both your quick takes. Do you think that the jury is going to elect death or life, Mel, what do you think?
[Robbins:] You know, this is a tough one because I think the biggest piece of evidence is him standing behind Martin Richard with the backpack placing the bomb and walking away. I actually the think they'll find one juror that does not vote for the death penalty. I think he will get life in prison.
[Jackson:] You know, Mel may be right, but I think the reality is this is such a compelling act that we all can relate to and it affected and devastated the Boston community, but the nation as a whole and certainly many things, we don't like as Americans. Terrorism has to be at the top. I think I'm not surprised if they sentence him to death, Michaela.
[Pereira:] Joey, Mel, boy, those jurors are having to go through a lot. Maybe this city of Boston and our nation can start to heal after all of this is done. Thank you for all your expertise. We appreciate it. Happy Monday Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Mich, we'll be watching that one. That's for sure. Another story that should be on your radar, California is suffering historic drought. So what do you say? I live in New York? Wrong. Empathy aside, you could feel their pain and real soon in your wallet. We'll tell you why ahead.

[Brianna Keilar:] See you next year, Jake. Happening now, more victims new recoveries of AirAsia passengers with the first bodies arriving onshore. Bad weather, though, has some of the mission on hold. Will it make finding the plane itself even harder? Water landing, perhaps? Some clues suggest the pilot may have been attempting a rare and desperate move. I'll talk to a pilot who did it successfully, the man behind the miracle on the Hudson, Captain "Sully" Sullenberger. And bizarre video North Korea releases new images of leader Kim Jong-Un flying a plane, as Sony makes moves to distribute its controversial film parodying him even more widely. Wolf Blitzer is off today. I'm Brianna Keilar. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. New details and grim new discoveries in the crash of that AirAsia jet. The first bodies recovered have arrived on land. Seven have now been pulled from the Java Sea where the plane crashed with 162 people on board. And while recovery efforts are going full force on the water, the air search has been held up by bad weather. Now there's conflicting information about whether the plane itself has been found. One search official tells CNN sonar has defected debris from the Airbus A320. But the head of Asia denies that. We are covering all angles with our correspondents, including reporters in the region, and our guests, including Captain "Sully" Sullenberger, the pilot behind the so-called miracle on the Hudson. But first, here's the latest that we're learning.
[Keilar:] Two bodies from AirAsia Flight 8501 arriving in Pangkalan Bun, Indonesia, and rushed to a hospital. This is their first stop before being sent on to Surabaya, where two victims arrived earlier, their caskets marked 001 and 002. One hundred military personnel there to pay their respects. But further recovery of remains or debris being hampered by bad weather that has grounded search planes.
[Tony Fernandes, Ceo, Airasia:] The weather, unfortunately, is not looking good for the next two or three days. And that is slowing us down. But they did inform me that the ships are looking to operate 24 hours, which is very encouraging.
[Keilar:] Those ships desperately searching for the plane's fuselage, and with it, data recorders that could untangle some of the mystery behind the crash.
[Fernandes:] The search and rescue team is doing a fantastic job. They're narrowing the search. They are feeling more comfortable that they are beginning to know where it is. But they have there is no confirmation of them.
[Keilar:] In the crisis center, victims' relatives held a prayer service, hopes for their loved ones fading, as they were asked to provide photos to help identify remains. One family Gary Tuchman met had seven loved ones on board Flight 8501.
[Gary Tuchman, Cnn Correspondent:] How does a man cope in this situation?
[Unidentified Male:] [through translator] I am very sad, of course. I am devastated.
[Keilar:] Joe Indry is this young man's grandmother. As Eric drove to the airport, he thought about opportunities he missed out on with his grandma.
[Eric, Relative Of Airasia Victim:] I basically regret all the time I was supposed to spend time with her. Now I can't do it anymore. SYUONG THEJAKUSUMA, RELATIVE OF AIRASIA VICTIMS [through translator] when we heard the information, firstly, of course, we hoped our family members were safe and thought of nothing, until yesterday morning and afternoon. We still hoped we would get a miracle that our families are still alive, because my mother, my sister, we were very close.
[Keilar:] And this is Suyong's other sister, Thele Hoa.
[Thele Hoa, Relative Of Airasia Victims:] I ask God why he is testing us this way, by taking them away without giving us the chance to say good-bye.
[Keilar:] But this family knows a miracle is most unlikely.
[Unidentified Male:] My wife said why is it always the best that leave first?
[Keilar:] Definitely. And Gary Tuchman joining us now live you've been talking, Gary, to these families. What more are they telling you about how they're holding up?
[Tuchman:] Well, Brianna, most of these families have come to terms with the fact that it's likely their families have passed away. We have talked to some people, though, who are refusing to give up hope. One young man telling us his grandmother is missing and that he believes it's possible, that some of the rafts were blown up and that maybe his grandmother got on a raft and is on an uninhabited island somewhere. And he literally asked officials, are you searching land masses near where the plane went down? And they told him they are. I mean they really are. They're looking at everything, although officials acknowledge that the possibility of finding anyone alive is miniscule, at best. We're standing right now at the police headquarters in the city here. That sign, in Indonesian, says, "police headquarters" and it says, "waiting area for the families of AirAsia." And what's happened is the crisis center was at the airport this morning. And right now, it's just after 5:00 in the morning here, in the new year of 2015 in Indonesia, they're moving the crisis center to the police headquarters, because it's next to a hospital, which is to my right. And that hospital is where the bodies are being brought to be identified and to be autopsied. So family members are to arrive shortly. Most of them are getting a well earned good night's sleep, because it's been very difficult. They've been up for many hours at a time. And now they're going to be coming back to this area here, this tent. And they're going to be getting counseling. They're going to be getting food and water. They're going to be getting all kinds of information. And that's one thing we've got we have to stress, Brianna. Compared to the Malaysian Air incident in March, the communication has been relatively good. There have been a few snafus, including an accidental live transmission by Indonesian TV of one of the bodies, which was very upsetting to people. But all in all, the communication has been good and a lot of the family members who are grieving so much are appreciative of that fact Brianna.
[Keilar:] That is good to hear. Gary Tuchman in Surabaya, thank you. Once this plane is located, crews will face the monumental task of pulling it from the water. We have CNN senior Washington correspondent, Joe Johns, with this. And the depth of the water here, we're talking 80, 100 feet, it makes this doable, but it's not easy.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Correspondent:] It's not easy. It's an enormous job, Brianna. And at first, it can take a long time, quite frankly. They have to map out all of the pieces of the plane and where they are. And only then, the heavy lifting begins.
[Johns:] How do you pull a plane up from the bottom of the ocean?
[Peter Goelz, Former Managing Director, National Transportation Safety Board:] What you want to do first is to really map the entire accident scene.
[Johns:] We spoke with Peter Goelz, a former investigator with the NTSB, who worked on the recovery and rebuilding of TWA Flight 800 that crashed after takeoff from New York City.
[Goelz:] You document everything until you really get the information off the data recorder and the voice recorder.
[Johns:] He says the site needs to be treated like a cream scene and mapping the debris field before removing objects could be key to finding out what happened. Then comes the process of pulling up the giant pieces of debris from the bottom of the sea.
[Goelz:] You would have a number of lifting cranes and you would have teams of divers. And the divers, of course, even working at 100 foot depth, you'll have to have decompression chambers.
[Johns:] A potentially slow process, because divers can only remain at depths for short periods due to health concerns. But does Indonesia have the know-how to carry off a recovery effort like this? There are still questions about the location of all the debris.
[David Gallo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] It seems like a fairly small body of water, but when you're out there, it's huge.
[Johns:] David Gallo, with Wood's Hole Oceanographic.
[Gallo:] Usually, you're extremely careful now to say that you've found something until you ground truthed it.
[Johns:] Wood's Hole participated in the recovery effort in the crash of Air France Flight 447 off Brazil's northeastern coast, whose black boxes took almost two years to recover, footnoting what a painstaking process this can be. On the other hand, this crash occurred in much less water, which raises the possibility that. It will be easier to get all the pieces. Still, there are concerns, quite frankly, of souvenir hunters, because since this is much less water, it's even a possibility that recreational divers might go and try to bring pieces out. That's a concern.
[Keilar:] I hadn't even thought of that. It's a horrible thing to think of, that possibility. I'm sure it's very real, though. Joe Johns, thank you. Weather complicating the efforts here to find the plane. Let's talk to CNN meteorologist, Tom Sater. He's working on this part of the story for us in the CNN Weather Center. What are we looking at right now Tom?
[Tom Sater, Ats Meteorologist:] A much, much better day, Brianna. Yesterday at this time time, we talked about the search area, most likely, would be looking at the most intense rainfall that they have seen since contact was lost with this aircraft. We're still searching in section five. This was the band of heavy tropical rains that moved into the area approximately 4:00 in the afternoon local time. They had to suspend the recovery and search operation. These have been moving from the south northward. Today, a much better picture. When we think of thunderstorms, we think an intense rainfall is two and three inches, which it is. This is dropping 10, 12, 15 inches. And they just don't move as fast. Now, we're looking at much better conditions now, but you're going to find the best at night. This is moving out of the area. What we had yesterday, because they had to suspend the search, it was too dangerous to get dive teams in and out of the water. Once they're in the water and they're down 25, 30 feet, that's fine. It's stabilized, and so is the aircraft on the floor. Remember, is the Java Sea, not only is it shallow and Joe mentioned it would be easier to retrieve the craft but there's a lot of sediment. So that's going to help stabilize that craft. But the seas yesterday were up and down. They were not the vessels were not fighting seas coming in from one direction. Because they were slow-moving, it sloshes the water. And when that happens, you just can't tow the pinger locators. You can't tow the sonars. We had problems in the South Indian Ocean with the Malaysia 370 flight. The Australian tanker kept breaking some cables with a Bluefin 21. So they need to do that at night when the water is quiet and tranquil. We're looking at much better conditions, not only in the daytime, but at night, as well. But it's so erratic. Yesterday, the storms coming from the south. Today, they're coming from the west and the southwest. It's hard to forecast, but I do believe the next couple of days are pretty good. However, I've got to take you further to the north, where a tropical storm devastating parts of the Central and Southern Philippines. Jangmi was its name. We had not only 30 dead from flooding, but we had a landslide that buried another 20 yesterday. This is no longer a tropical storm or a depression. But typically, they move toward Vietnam, or up to the north in South China or even Japan. But it's getting caught in a flow which could take the system down into our region. Again, It's not going to be tropical in nature, but that is going to be enough circulation to intensify the storms, to bring more of a pattern, more of those winds coming into our region to intensify the rainfall in maybe four ore five more days from now. But until then, the news is that still, it looks like our wind pattern comes toward the southeast. The current pattern for the last five days, Brianna, has been generally west to east. So even though there may be a breach in the fuselage, and we believe that because we have found debris, it is generally to the southeast. Now, when you look at the surface, and this is important, keep in mind, we do not have topography on the Java floor, that has deep crevasses, mountain passes or valleys, that causes the force of water in the ocean to push debris. That debris, only at 100 feet, is not going to move much at all. In fact, it probably won't. So they've got to find that. Also, consider the channel is shallow. This is good news for the pinger locators. It doesn't have to work and bounce off different frequencies or different walls, crevasses, as mentioned, so they should get a pretty good handle on it. Quickly for you, this is the picture out of the Singapore C-130 aircraft that's showing the rainfall and just how saturated it is. This also playing a role in the low visibility. So we're keeping an eye on that in the waters, but at least the dive crews, Brianna, should be able to get back in the waters and the operation should resume for the next 24 hours.
[Keilar:] Very good news. Tom Sater, thank you so much. I want to bring in my next guest, Captain Chesley Sullenberger, the pilot whose safe water landing of a crippled U.S. Airways jet became known as the miracle on the Hudson. Captain Sullenberger, thanks so much. For being with us.
[Chesley Sullenberger, Cbs News Aviation Analyst & Safety Expert:] Good to be with you, Brianna.
[Keilar:] I know you certainly have studied and heard all of the information that we're getting about air Asia Flight 8501 at this point. Can you just sort of walk us through? I think I want to look at this from the beginning. As a pilot going dealing with a storm such as this one, walk us through the procedure of what you would go through to deal with this.
[Sullenberger:] Well, there is strategic weather avoidance and tactical weather avoidance. And the strategic avoidance begins before the flight starts. The airline dispatcher, who also helps plan the flight, would be looking at the best route of flight to avoid weather as much as possible. Of course, the pilots, once they reviewed their flight information, would want to make sure that they could operate the flight safely. And then the tactical weather avoidance happens during the flight, as they look at weather ahead of them, whether it's visually out of the cockpit windows or with the aid of their on board weather radar. The investigators, of course, will be looking at how adequate the information was provided to the dispatcher and the pilots was, what alternative routes of flights might there have been, how good was the air traffic control coordination among the Indonesian air traffic controllers and between the Indonesian air traffic control facility and the Singaporean air traffic control facilities, how easy was it and how much time did it require for pilots to get approval for deviation request because of weather or to change altitude? They'll be looking...
[Keilar:] Well, let me...
[Sullenberger:] at all those.
[Keilar:] can I ask you that, because it was two minutes, I believe, between his request, the pilot's request to climb, and receiving the basic denial of the request. Is that too long?
[Sullenberger:] We'll have to wait and see. It isn't terribly long, but two minutes would seem like an eternity...
[Keilar:] Sure.
[Sullenberger:] when you're facing weather threats ahead of you. And you would want to deviate as rapidly as possible. That's one of the things that need to be investigated. You know, we've need to look at this in terms of how well the air traffic control system operates, how it organizationally works...
[Keilar:] Yes.
[Sullenberger:] and how good the human performance was and what the culture is, you know, were best practices, was efficiency promoted. Or was this a rigid, more bureaucratic system that lacked flexibility. Those were the important things if this turns out to be a weather- related event. I should also say that in almost every accident, it's never the result of a single failure and a single fault layer. Instead, it's the end result of a causal chain of events. We'll see if weather was a factor and to what extent.
[Keilar:] Yes, that it might be multiple layers of failure actually. And, obviously, we don't know, there are so much still to know. There are no black boxes at this point. We don't have the analysis of that. But there have also been a lot of similarities perhaps to the crash of Air France 447 that flied a few years ago, going between Rio and Paris. In that instance, the pitot tubes on the plane, they froze over, gave an incorrect reading to the crew as the plane was flying through a storm. Do you think that could have happened here?
[Sullenberger:] That's one of many possibilities. We have to look at this in terms of the system and how it is designed to operate. You know, increasing complexity in our cockpits while it's good in many ways it's not a panacea and it introduces certain new risks. It makes possible in the example in the case of air France 447 and the failure of speed sensors to have rapidly cascading effects through multiple systems in the cockpit. And it was confusing and overwhelming to the pilots. So, we have to look at how we design our systems, how good our policies and procedures are and how well pilots are trained to deal with this. Recent studies have indicated that increasing use of automation in the cockpits is de-scaling pilots to a certain extent and we've lost some of our manual flying skills. But an even greater risk is that it seems to be that this lack of mental engagement and awareness during the flight, as we monitor more automation doing much of the work actually hurts us in terms of our ability to analyze, to troubleshoot and to quickly fix challenges that we face.
[Keilar:] That you're not perhaps as engaged as you should be and ready to respond. I have a lot more questions about that, really, the training the pilots are receiving and whether it is enough. We'll be talking more to you, Captain Sullenberger, after a very quick break. We'll be right back.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Welcome back to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer reporting today from New York. More now on the breaking news, the deadly Amtrak derailment. It started as a routine trip. An Amtrak passenger train on its way from Washington, D.C., to New York City, all of a sudden chaos. Passengers and luggage catapulted in the air as the entire train left the tracks and crashed.
[Mayor Michael Nutter , Philadelphia:] It is an absolute disastrous mess.
[Blitzer:] A flashpoint of terror, as surveillance video captures the deadly moments on board the Amtrak Northeast Regional Train 188. The train, traveling from Washington to New York City, at about 9:30 p.m., while passing through the Port Richmond neighborhood in Philadelphia, the train derailed, sending all seven cars flying from the tracks. And the engine separating from the rest of the train. The impact tore the train apart. Dozens scrambling to safety by crawling through the overturned cars.
[Unidentified Male:] Keep crawling, OK. Where am I crawling to? Just crawl. Crawl forward, sir.
[Blitzer:] More than 200 of the 243 passengers and crew on board were sent to area hospitals. At least six have died and eight others remain in critical condition.
[Gov. Tom Wolf, Pennsylvania:] The human tragedy, the devastation, I can't imagine.
[Blitzer:] Let's get an update from the other crash site. Kate Bolduan is joining us once again. She's in Philadelphia. Kate, the mayor of Philadelphia expected to hold a news conference shortly. Tell us about that.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. The mayor, he's been he's been doing a very good job of keeping everyone updated and clearly he was here last night. He was here again this morning and he's going to be holding another press briefing with other officials that will be held in a short time at around 2:00 or just after 2:00 here in the East. At that time I'm told they will have new information, they will be in the position to bring us new information, though they would not go into details of exactly what that is. With so many questions outstanding, you can't even speculate exactly what some of that new information could be that they're going to be bringing to us. But there are a lot of questions that we can pose to the mayor specifically, though, here at the scene, Wolf. I think what's important in terms of the investigation, the investigation is really on two fronts. What's happening here on the ground behind me, back there, obviously police are not letting us get any further than we are now, as well as the investigation here on the ground in terms of forensics and then the investigation, the analysis if you will, of the black box. That is already under way because the black box has already been recovered and has been taken to their main point of operations in Delaware and that is being analyzed. Here on the scene early this morning, investigators were seen walking the track, paying very close attention to the curve or the bend in the track, Wolf, where the crash really occurred and that could be key. The curve and how the train entered that curve could be key in the investigation and how and exactly what happened. And why I say that is because my colleague Rene Marsh has some good information from investigators that they are seriously in a preliminary sense, they are seriously looking into the factor of speed and the role that speed could have played in this crash. Trains along the northeast corridor, they can go in excess of 100 miles an hour. That's absolutely aloud, but when they're in a residential area or they're going around some of these curves they are required to reduce their speed. We're told the speed limit around this area is about 50 miles an hour. That should be an easy bit of information to come forward. That's one of the easy things to come from that black box that's being that's being analyzed right now. That is something that we hear from the NTSB, the information in that black box, that could be readily available relatively soon and that could be a key factor. At least preliminarily that is one of their big focuses is right now. Wolf, that's happening here on the ground and the black box being analyzed in Delaware. So a lot of outstanding questions because when we heard from the NTSB earlier, Wolf, they said essentially the same thing that we're doing. They said, we've got a lot of questions, you've got a lot of questions, it's really just getting under way, they're just starting to mobilize their important teams that are all broken up to look at signals, to look at mechanical factors, to look at the train track. They break them up into teams to begin the forensic analysis of the scene here and that's really just getting under way because search and rescue teams have to clear out and finish with their priority of making sure everyone was taken off that train if there were still people in the train and that is another question we've got for the mayor when he speaks to us again at 2:15 Wolf.
[Blitzer:] All right. Kate Bolduan on the scene for us in Philadelphia, thanks. And we'll have much more coverage of the Philadelphia Amtrak derailment coming up as Kate just mentioned. The mayor, Michael Nutter, will hold a news conference, that's coming up soon. We will have live coverage, of course, here on CNN. But there's other news we're following, including major international news. A North Korean official, the Defense minister actually, reportedly has been executed for treason. But the method of execution is raising a lot of eyebrows.

[Feyerick:] Three ISIS leaders have been killed in U.S. airstrikes. A senior military official tells CNN two top leaders and one mid-level leader were wiped out. They were killed in multiple strikes last month. This comes as the president signed deployment orders Thursday for 1,300 troops to head to Iraq. The troops are now going farther afield being deployed outside Baghdad and Erbil. But children were found stabbed to death inside a home in Australia. Police were called to the house in Cairns after getting calls about a woman with serious injuries. When they arrived, they found the victims who were young, between 18 months and 15 years old, all of them dead. Their mom is receiving treatment and speaking with police. At this point, no word on the motive or a suspect. And details are emerging this morning about a new attack by Nigerian Boko Haram militants. Local officials claim that the Islamist insurgents kidnapped at least 185 women and children in the village of Gumsuri, killing some 32 people in the process. The officials say that the militants also burned most of the village using gasoline bombs. Well, Nima Elbagir has more for us now live from London. Good morning, Nima.
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn International Correspondent:] Good morning, Deborah. Well, as Nigerians prepare to celebrate Christmas, this is yet another reminder of how helpless they remain in the face of Boko Haram's continuing attacks. We understand, this was part of a series of attacks that begun in Chibok, the time when nearly 300 girls were conducted nearly eight months ago. For there, they moved in to Gumsuri, and that's where they started by attacking the local vigilante groups and more recently, Nigerians feeling they were not getting the support from their military, have been taking up arms and forming civilian defense forces. And that seems to behind a lot of these attacks. Boko Haram retaliating for anyone would dares to take up arms to protect their own communities, their own families, their homes. The message from Boko Haram seems to be, this is what's going to happen to you if you do, and 32 dead, 53 dead in Chibok, and 185 girls and women abducted. For now, authorities say they have absolutely no evidence that could lead them to potentially where the girls and women are being held, Deborah.
[Feyerick:] Wow, targeted for simply defending your family. All right. Nima, thank you so much. Appreciate that. And in the wake of fence jumping incidents at White House, an independent review has found that the Secret Service is stretched beyond its limits and could use a crucial funding bump. It found a need for more training and more staff and concluded the services too insular and needed direction from outside its ranks. The review also recommended the White House fence be raised, saying it needs to be at least four or five feet taller than it currently is, and also curve outward. Well, inmates at New Mexico's prisons are singing their own version of the "12 Days of Christmas" this holiday season. It's called the "12 prisons of Christmas". Take a listen.
[Berman:] Well, it's community give back. It highlights 11 service projects the convicts are doing for their community. But the song isn't just about being festive.
[Unidentified Male:] It was pleasantly surprising to see normally macho inmates, now willing to sing the community a Christmas song.
[Feyerick:] Well, the hope is that serving the community, along with singing for them, this Christmas song will help convicts stay out of trouble once they do get back out into the population. And Mark Cuban never wanted to shy away from the deal. He pulled off a whopper last night. Rajon Rondo is heading for Dallas. Will it help put the Mavs over the top in the Western Conference? Andy Scholes has our "Bleacher Report" coming up, straight ahead.

[Blackwell:] All right. Fourteen minutes after the hour now. There are new developments this morning in a story that CNN has been following very closely. In Savannah, Georgia, nine deputies have been fired in the death of a college student, at least connected to that man's death. A Chatham County sheriff's spokeswoman says that Matthew Ajibade was found dead in an isolation cell on New Year's Day. His family says he was put in a restraining chair and tased. Now, he had been taken into custody after allegedly hitting his girlfriend at a gas station. His family says he was having a bipolar episode and they allege police knew that. A police report says the girlfriend gave police pills for Matthew's disorder. The district attorney is reviewing the case and will decide whether to file criminal charges.
[Kosik:] Let's bring in retired Chief Deputy U.S. Marshal Matthew Fogg. Good morning to you. Thanks for joining us.
[Matthew Fogg, Chief Deputy U.s. Marshal:] Good to be here with you.
[Kosik:] So, first, is it right to, you know is it right, do you think to fire the deputies right now, you know, it's been four months since this man died.
[Fogg:] I think so. I mean, what, 180 days or more, at least four months. I mean, the bottom line, that's enough time to do a thorough investigation to determine what role these deputies played in the man's death and, again, we've been looking at possible I would say they're looking at if there can be criminal charges out of this. But, definitely, that's enough time for to come to a conclusion that deputies violated some policies or procedures.
[Kosik:] OK. So, we know there's been an internal police investigation. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is also looking into the case. Now, the district attorney is reviewing the case. You've got these multiple investigations going on. You mentioned criminal charges could be next. Do you think that that could actually happen? What is the D.A. really looking for to bring the case to a grand jury?
[Fogg:] Well, the biggest thing is I think they want to know that they've got enough evidence that it's not just a witch hunt. But bottom line is they've got some solid evidence here that can they can present to a judge and actually to a grand jury and actually have a solid case. So that's what the D.A. is looking at. So, again, when you're talking about somebody dying in custody, especially being locked in a chair like that and being a U.S. marshal and having been around the country panned worked with a lot of institutions where there prisoners involved and how we treat prisoners, for me, with cases like this, the bottom line is there are strict rules and a lot of times we get off track, when we do, you know, life at stake. So, I think the D.A. is looking into that very deeply to understand whether or not these officers were complicit in this man's death.
[Kosik:] So, how unusual is it to put someone who is having a bipolar episode in a restraining chair and then tase him and, if that's unusual, then how do you handle that kind of thing?
[Fogg:] I don't to be honest with you, I'm not sure if it's unusual because I've seen it happen a lot where prisoners get out of control and they restrain these people. The bottom line is, a lot of times the officers haven't had enough training in the mental aspects of what people what preexisting condition they may have had. Now, in this case, obviously, it seems like someone told them this man was suffering from bipolar disorder, which they should have immediately had protocols in place to fix it to deal with that. A lot of times law enforcement officers don't know. They just react to someone reacting back to them. And in that case, the person, if they have a disorder, they're going to continue to react more when you tase them and you restrain them, the gas is in their system. All these things, I guarantee probably led up to this man's death.
[Kosik:] All right. Thanks for your analysis, retired chief deputy U.S. marshal, Matthew Fogg.
[Blackwell:] All right. Nearly 20 million people are under a tornado threat today across the Plains and the Southwest. You probably know this is a part of the country that has dealt with severe weather all week. We're talking the hail and the flooding. Look at this I mean, this is in Oklahoma last night. We'll check in on the timing of these potential tornadoes and the storms on the way. And check this out on Facebook.
[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Hey, we want to give you a chance to give your mom a shootout this Mother's Day. Go to our Facebook page, Facebook.comNewDay, and send a message to your mom this mother's day. Also, you'll hear from me. I want to share with you a couple of things that I've learned from other moms that I think are really valuable.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] The story about what's coming on with the jobs reports, we're going to want to talk about this morning also, right?
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] We've got big numbers that are going to be coming up.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Anchor:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Christine Romans is here with some of that. So we, of course, we're kind of in the holding period.
[Romans:] Right.
[Bolduan:] We're waiting for them to get in your ear right now.
[Romans:] I got the number. I do have the number.
[Cuomo:] You have it?
[Bolduan:] Oh, good. So what's the latest?
[Romans:] It's 162,000 jobs created, 7.4 percent is the unemployment rate. So, a mixed message. You've got an unemployment rate that slipped 7.4 percent. That's going to be the best we've seen in months. But 162,000 jobs created, though, is a little shy of what Wall Street economists had wanted.
[Cuomo:] Of what they expected.
[Romans:] We've had an average job creation this year, you guys, of about $200,000 a month. So this shows that in the month, you didn't have quite as many people hired, but you had the jobless rate tick down. One of the reasons why the jobless rate could have ticked down is because people pop out of the labor market, right, so they stop looking. So we're going to be looking into this. The U-6, the underemployment rate, that's a number that's not budging too much here and you still have less than 12 million people out of work and looking. The question here is the quality of the jobs versus the quantity of jobs. And this is what I've been really worried about. I have been worried about the fact that so many of the jobs created in the second quarter are bartenders, part-time hotel cleaners, leisure and hospitality, maybe not any benefits. So we'll closely watch that. Dow futures have just turned lower on this. We had record highs in stocks yesterday. We'll see if this is something that upsets the market a little bit today.
[Cuomo:] That's the whale watching effect, right?
[Romans:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] The street looks at the number and they want a big number. When they don't get a big number, they turn away. But the quality of that number is what will assess the economy over time.
[Romans:] Right. Right.
[Cuomo:] Is that what you're saying?
[Romans:] So you want to see the 7.4 percent. You know, you wanted that. We had 47,000 jobs created in retail, trade. And I'm going to break through all of these numbers for you and let you know how they break out. But 162,000 is the headline number, 7.4 percent unemployment rate. Futures ticking down just a little bit this Friday morning.
[Bolduan:] All right. So you see the breaking news on the bottom of your screen. New July jobs report out. Christine, thanks for breaking it down.
[Romans:] You're welcome.
[Cuomo:] All right, thank you for that. Now, we want to tell you about the latest in a murder mystery involving a husband and wife, both esteem specialists at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. After Dr. Autumn Klein suddenly died in April by cyanide poisoning, police investigators honed in on her husband. Robert Ferrante remains behind bars this morning, awaiting his trial. Prosecutors accuse the 64-year-old medical researcher and professor of poisoning his 41-year-old wife, Dr. Autumn Klein, with cyanide. Klein, seen here in this Discovery Channel video, was the chief of women's neurology at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. A rising star in her field.
[Unidentified Female:] She was so kind, compassionate and caring. I could not imagine anyone wanting to murder her.
[Cuomo:] But after a three-month investigation following her death, authorities charged her husband with criminal homicide. He pleaded not guilty at his arraignment this week. A source tells CNN. the prosecution will argue that Ferrante mixed cyanide with the Creatine Klein took. According to the criminal complaint, he told her the supplement would help her get pregnant. The police search warrants say Ferrante allegedly prepared five grams of Creatine for his wife to take in the morning and evening by mixing it into a sugary drink or putting it on her toast.
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] People have said it's a circumstantial evidence cases so it can't be strong. In fact, circumstantial evidence cases can be extremely strong because they don't rely on eyewitness testimony.
[Blithe Runsdorf, Neighbor:] Stunned is too little a word for how we feel about this. And the thing that I think bothers most of us is, what's the motivation?
[Cuomo:] One possible motive, police allege in the affidavit that Ferrante thought his wife might be having an affair. Joining us now from Pittsburgh is Dr. Robert Ferrante's defense lawyer Bill Defenderfer. Boy, Bill, first off, didn't leave you much choices of employment with a name like that. You had to become a defense attorney at some point.
[Bill Defenderfer, Dr. Robert Ferrante's Defense Lawyer:] Well, thank you, Chris. How are you?
[Cuomo:] I know you get it a lot, but it's our first time talking so you had to give me that that joke. Now let's get down to business.
[Defenderfer:] Yes, it is it is Defenderfer, but that's I certainly understand.
[Cuomo:] Oh, good. See, good, I'm glad you corrected it, because that's what I thought it was.
[Defenderfer:] You're welcome.
[Cuomo:] It's the control room. You can never trust management. It's good to have you here.
[Defenderfer:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Let's talk first about what you don't want to discuss right now and why. You don't want to talk about what your client thinks about what killed his wife or why he bought the cyanide. Explain why you don't want to discuss that?
[Defenderfer:] Well, Chris, in terms of defending the case, you know, we don't even have any of the discovery. We have, at this point in time, we have literally what you guys have. There's a preliminary hearing that's going to be coming up in about a month and a half, September 23rd. That may even be delayed. We don't receive discovery for a good period of time after that. So for as a defense attorney to ever allow a revelation of what the defense is at this point would be would not be wise. I mean my client I can tell you, my client is adamant he had nothing to do with the cause of her death.
[Cuomo:] OK.
[Defenderfer:] At this point, we're not even prepared to concede that she passed away from cyanide. You know, and I certainly understand that what's in the affidavit and what all these allegations consist of.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Defenderfer:] But we're absolutely proclaiming his innocence. I mean I have a guy who a great family man, loved his wife. The one witness you put on of why, we totally agree. There is no why and there was no motivation for him to do something as crazy as that.
[Cuomo:] All right, so look let's look at some of the behavior here. Prosecutors say that your client fled to Florida in the aftermath here and insisted on a fast autopsy. Does he deny those assertions?
[Defenderfer:] Well, the assertion that he fled to Florida, I love the adjectives. When Dr. Ferrante, obviously, when the suspicion cloud, if you will, was surrounding him here in Pittsburgh, keep in mind he was only here for a couple of years, as well as the hospital put him on leave. In terms of staying here, he requested he actually communicated with me, do you think it would be all right if I go visit my daughter, quite frankly, in California, not in Florida. And I said, of course, you know. But I kept in touch with the district attorney's office. Obviously, I have a very close relationship with them. And in terms of him leaving and, again, no charges being filed. You know, he's just a person of interest as people say. I turned, as a good faith gesture, I gave the prosecutor his passport. I said, keep in touch with us. I said if, in fact, there is going to if, in fact, this is going to result in an arrest, certainly give me a call and we'll turn him in right away. He went to
[Cuomo:] So you're saying he didn't flee? You're saying he didn't flee?
[Defenderfer:] No, he was down in
[Cuomo:] But what about the quick autopsy, the cremation? You know, that's been very suspicious, that why did it all get done so quickly?
[Defenderfer:] Well, I mean, you know, it again, in terms of there's not only that, the quick autopsy, there's a number of other things in the affidavit that we're well aware of that we have to answer. And as I told your producers, we intend to answer all of those in court.
[Cuomo:] And the affair. We say that we don't know why, but prosecutors say the why is an affair and your client didn't like it. What has he told you? Was there an affair?
[Defenderfer:] Well, first of all, we're not going to reveal what he told me.
[Cuomo:] OK.
[Defenderfer:] And in terms of whether or not there was an affair, that's something, obviously, again, that will I'm sure will come out in court.
[Cuomo:] All right. What do you know about whether or not, when it comes to the texts and about the Creatine, there's this curious turn in this story, as you're well aware, that there were these text messages between your client and his wife about maybe getting pregnant using Creatine. Does your client have any
[Defenderfer:] Well, the
[Cuomo:] Peer studies or any kind of science to back up this theory about Creatine and pregnancy?
[Defenderfer:] Well, keep in mind, they're both doctors, as well as they were both very much trying to have a child. They were, from all accounts that I've seen, they were very much in love and wanted to have a child as up to, as you know from your reporting, the date that she went into the hospital. And both being doctors, they believed, obviously, that Creatine may help promote or somehow improve the chances of her getting pregnant.
[Cuomo:] All right. But in terms of the Creatine thing, you don't know where that came from, as to why that would be the way to do it?
[Defenderfer:] Again, you're getting to that's one of the that's one of the many things and assertions that's in the affidavit that I'm that, you know, I'm well aware of that we need to answer those things at trial and we certainly will.
[Cuomo:] All right, Mr. Defenderfer, thank you very much for joining us today.
[Defenderfer:] Thank you, Chris.
[Cuomo:] I hope to speak to you again as we get into the case.
[Defenderfer:] All right, thank you.
[Cuomo:] All right. Kate.
[Bolduan:] Thanks, Chris. In the central African nation of Cameroon, there are only two doctors for every 10,000 people, if you can believe it. But this week's CNN Hero is a surgeon who devotes his personal time to bringing medical care to the remote jungles of his country for free.
[Unidentified Male:] So are you also
[Bwelle:] I help people and they are happy. I'm bringing back to give them opportunity to restart.
[Bolduan:] Opportunity is what they need. Two doctors for every 10,000 people in Cameroon. It's just amazing what he is doing. More people need to do that. Thank you so much.
[Cuomo:] The need is great.
[Bolduan:] That's absolutely right. Coming up next on NEW DAY, Anthony Weiner's sexting relapse. Why friends of Huma Abedin tells "People" magazine she blames herself for her husband's mistakes. And can other women relate? We'll have that conversation coming up.
[Cuomo:] And there's an old saying, a man is never so tall to when he stoops to help a child. One Marine lived that and it is the good stuff.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Welcome to our new program. It's called "ICYMI." And our mission here is to comb through every single story CNN has been covering all day all over the world to bring you the very best moments of what we do. They happen just a few times each and every day, in powerful interviews, dramatic video. They're the reason we do what we do. Like these pictures of a frightening mystery in Philadelphia. Police searching for clues about what happened to this screaming woman dragged down the street, apparently abducted. Also, CNN turns to actress, Marlee Matlin, to figure out exactly what was going on at that Mandela speech with that sign language interpreter for President Obama who turns out to be a big fake. And just trust me. You will want to be there when Piers Morgan meets the real-life Ron Burgundy. We're calling this Anchorman versus Anchorman, IN CASE YOU MISSED it. Now let's get started. We begin tonight with the greatest fear of so many Americans, a plane crash. Accidents happen very rarely and we all like to think we can trust the pilot to fly our planes. But what if the behavior of the flight crew could put your life at risk? I'm talking about the Asiana plane crash that happened in San Francisco back in July. You remember this terrifying video. Three people were killed. And in case you missed it, there was an NTSB hearing today in Washington investigating what really happened. I'll explain the role of the pilots reportedly played here in just a moment. But first, this is new video CNN obtained with a different angle. Watch this closely. Shows what starts out looking like a normal landing but becomes here anything but. And according to investigators, here is one of the chief reasons it happened. One of the pilots was just too deferential, too polite. This is the Korean culture of respect, the fact that in some cases Korean pilots are hesitant to speak up to a superior when there is a problem. Even before this crash, the airline industry was all too familiar with this cultural issue. Let me take you back. Several incidents involving Korean Air in the last few decades including air disaster in 1997 that killed 228 people. And writer Malcolm Gladwell researched this issue for his book entitled "Outliers." Listen to what he told CNN's Fareed Zakaria back in 2009.
[Fareed Zakaria, Host, Cnn's "fareed Zakaria Gps":] You found that by and large, Koreans were very bad at being pilots. Explain that.
[Malcolm Gladwell:] Yes. The overwhelming majority of crashes are the result of a breakdown in communication between the co-pilot and the pilot. Something comes up, a situation emerges that requires those two pilots to be in open and honest communication and they fail to do that. Korea as it happens is a culture which has enormous respect for hierarchy. In fact the entire linguistic structure of the Korean language is infused with this sense of how do I treat you if you are older and superior to me? Use specific pronounal forms, goes on and on, right? That is in 99 percent of cases a beautiful and wonderful thing. In the cockpit, it's a problem.
[Baldwin:] Malcolm Gladwell. Now, Korean Air solved their problem by retraining those pilots to be more assertive. But now listen to disturbing details we learned today about this Asiana flight. The first officer says he told the pilot that the plane was sinking too fast, said this at least four times. The pilot at the controls was in training. He could have changed the approach of the landing. But he said it was quote, "a very hard decision to make because the instructor pilot had not made the call." In other words, he just didn't want to speak up to his superior. There was also confusion in the cockpit about the automated systems that the crew was depending on them but apparently believed they were turned on, but in actuality they were flipped off. Still to be clear, investigators have not yet issued their definitive report on the cause of that plane crash. Turning to politics now tonight, and the good news we talked about last evening that our do nothing Congress had finally agreed on something. America now has a budget for the first time in four years. But of course you didn't really think this era of good feeling would last, did you? There are of course critics a plenty. Despite the fact that Republican Congressman Paul Ryan here and his counterpart in the Senate, Patty Murray, labored long and hard to find enough common ground to develop a plan that set spending levels and reduces the deficit for the next two years. It also avoids a government shutdown in January or October. But though it has critics on both sides, let's be clear. The deal has sparked its biggest battle within the Republican Party. Speaker of the House John Boehner did not hesitate to lash out against those infidels today. In fact he would not even let a reporter finish asking her question.
[Unidentified Female:] Most major conservative groups have put out statements blasting this deal. Are you worried
[Representative John Boehner , House Speaker:] You mean the group that came out and opposed it before they ever saw it?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, those groups. Are you worried
[Boehner:] They're using our members and they're using the American people for their own goals. This is ridiculous. Listen. If you're for more deficit reduction you're for this agreement.
[Baldwin:] The White House supports the deal as much as Speaker Boehner does and is urging Congress to approve that deal. The House is expected to vote Thursday. And now the journey that President Obama and so many others made back and forth to the Nelson Mandela memorial service in Johannesburg, South Africa. He was of course on board Air Force One. That is we've told you he had a lot of company. And tonight in case you missed it, we are getting this fascinating glimpse inside Barack and George and Hillary's excellent adventure, two presidents and a first lady just hanging out on the world's most famous airplane. In this one we see President Obama sharing a joke with President Bush. We were talking here on ICYMI the other night about how past presidents bond in these moments on Air Force One. They've been doing it for years. It's been reported that President Obama and Bush have become good friends. Here's another one. President Bush showing off his paintings to Hillary Clinton, you know painting has become his hobby in we'll call it retirement. His wife, Laura, has been quoted as saying it is all he does. And this is what appears to be an intimate pre-dinner chat between the current and former most powerful men in the world around that huge table on board and finally, the president putting those final touches on the eulogy that he gave at that massive memorial service in honor of Nelson Mandela. Just fascinating stuff we seldom get to see. And now to the mystery of that sign language interpreter for President Obama's stirring speech at the Mandela memorial. South Africa is outraged and embarrassed tonight. Twitter there continues to just be ignited with these angry messages from all over the country at the fact that the man who was signing during President Obama's speech, you see him here spotlighted, translating it for the deaf was apparently a fraud. CNN's Jake Tapper decided to dig into what really happened by asking deaf actress, Marlee Matlin, to help interpret the signs made during that Obama speech. And Matlin brought along her own long-time interpreter to help explain what she was seeing, but first a clip from the speech just to set this up.
[Zozuko Dlamini Mandela, Granddaughter Of Nelson Mandela:] You are lodged in our memory. You tower over the world like a comet leaving streaks of life for us to follow.
[Jake Tapper, Host, Cnn's "the Lead":] So knowing what she is saying and watching that, can you tell that he's faking it?
[Marlee Matlin, Actress:] You can tell. I can tell and I can tell that he is thinking to himself, no, how should I do this? Well, let's see what I just did. I'll do it again.
[Tapper:] One of the other signs is that he wasn't making any facial expressions. That's not normally how it is done, right? It is important for someone.
[Matlin:] That is exactly a giveaway. Sign language involves of all kinds, let me emphasize that sign language is not international. So each country has its own sign language. But in this case, each language shares something which is facial expressions as part of the grammar. To see someone standing there without any sort of movement of his body, without any sort of facial expressions that one incorporates into sign indicates that he has no understanding of the culture of language. I knew right then and there he wasn't authentic at all and it was offensive to me.
[Baldwin:] Quick break here on CASE YOU MISSED IT, but when we come back a crime mystery in Philadelphia and the police don't even know who the apparent victim is, a frightening abduction ICYMI.

[Baldwin:] The United Nations says 93,000 Syrians have died in the civil war that has ravaged the country now for nearly two and a half years. But it's the deaths of 100 to 150 Syrians that have moved the Obama administration like we've never seen before. Because that's the number of people killed from detected chemical weapons. This is according to a U.S. government report. The global community says using the weapons is a clear breach of international law.
[Gen. Wesley Clark , Fmr. Nato Supreme Allied Commander:] Assad has completely forfeited any claim to morally remain in power by the use of those chemical weapon. That's simply inadmissible in the 21st century. Totally inadmissible. In the darkest days of World War II, when the Soviet Union was about to be overrun by Nazi Germany, even the Soviets didn't use chemical weapons.
[Baldwin:] Now the Obama administration says it will increase, quote, "the scale and scope," these are their words, of its support to the opposition. But Syria's government says it's a lie. Russia, longtime ally of Syria and the president there, Bashar al Assad, also has doubts. Even on the ground, while many support American aid, some Syrians are skeptical.
[Unidentified Male:] America is inventing stories about chemical weapons. Syrian government never used chemical weapons. The rebel have used them, not the government, so they are inventing stories because our army is winning.
[Baldwin:] Want to turn now to Hala Gorani with CNN International. Just join me more on what the aid actually means.
[Hala Gorani, Cnn International:] Right.
[Baldwin:] Let's just first begin with that.
[Gorani:] Right. Well, I spoke just a short while ago to the essentially the spokesperson for the Free Syrian Army, Louay Moqdad.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Gorani:] Whose right now based in Turkey, but is regularly in meetings with officials from Europe and the United States. And essentially I asked him, what does this mean, the scale end scope being increased regarding weapons shipments potentially from the United States to the rebels?
[Baldwin:] Right.
[Gorani:] And he said the kinds of weapons were probably small arms and ammunition at this stage. And that what the United States and other European countries are asking for right now are guarantees that these arms will not go to extremist groups. And he repeated the requests from these rebel groups that what they need are not essentially rifles and ammunition and bullets, but that they need surface to air missiles, that they need a no-fly zone and that is not in the cards as far as the U.S. is concerned right now.
[Baldwin:] But he is saying small arms and ammunition?
[Gorani:] He's saying down the line, in the near future, once these guarantees have been provided to the United States, that it appears as though these shipments will go ahead without providing a specific timeline.
[Baldwin:] OK, what about, on the flipside, you have pushback not only from Syria
[Gorani:] Right.
[Baldwin:] Who, again, as we mentioned in this statement saying, you know, this is all full of lies, including also Russia pushing back.
[Gorani:] Russia is an ally of the Bashar al Assad regime. We've seen it time and time again over the last two years. The head of the Russian lower house of parliament is saying these are fabricated, these allegations, that the regime has used chemical weapons against its citizens. Remember Saddam Hussein and the claims of weapons of mass destruction there.
[Baldwin:] Right. Right.
[Gorani:] That's being brought back a lot. But let's put things in perspective. Iraq and Syria are two entirely different scenarios. There you had faulty intelligence as far as Iraq was concerned. Here you have evidence. More and more evidence piling up from different countries conducting independent research and analysis proving that these weapons have been used on a small scale.
[Baldwin:] Hala Gorani, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Coming up here, James "Whitey" Bulger, he was the most wanted man in America. Now he's on trial in Boston, charged with the murders of 19 people. You're about to hear my chilling conversation with one of Bulger's proteges.
[John "red" Shea, Former Mobster:] I mean, look at what he did to informants, allegedly. You know, he executed them because they were ratting on him. And here he is, the biggest rat of all. King rat.
[Baldwin:] Do not miss my interview with John "Red" Shea after this quick break.

[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Poppy Harlow, joining you from New York. I want to welcome our viewers both here in the United States and around the world. We begin with our top story: the tragic plane crash of Flight 9525. And today, we have heard from the father of the man officials believe deliberately killed himself along with 149 other people. The co-pilot of Germanwings flight 9525 that crashed into the French Alps. The family of Andreas Lubitz traveling to the crash site, meeting with officials describe the co-pilot's father as completely devastated and as a man who feels responsible in part for this tragedy. German authorities are sharply focused on who cleared Andreas Lubitz physically and mentally to fly. An aviation official tells us he passed his flight physical last summer. But unnamed sources tell "The Wall Street Journal" and "The New York Times" that the co-pilot was hiding a mental illness from his bosses. Also at a cathedral in a French town near the crash site, church leaders paid tribute to the victims, 150 people on board that Airbus 320. Will Ripley joins me from Cologne, Germany, the headquarters of Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings. And, Will, I know you have new information coming out about what investigators have found inside Andreas Lubitz's apartment. What can you tell us?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. There are several reports that are coming out right now, Poppy. A prominent German newspaper "Bild am Sonntag" coming out with a startling revelation that investigators found evidence of severe psychological problems, including medications to treat those psychological problems in the apartment of the 27-year- old co-pilot Andreas Lubitz. Now, specifically, according to "The New York Times," these were antidepressant medications. And we saw yesterday when we were out at the apartment, investigators on several occasions going in, gathering evidence, and coming back out. Apparently, those investigators or people close to the investigation are leaking information to these newspapers because officially this information has not been released. But the discovery of prescription drugs, possibly antidepressants, in this apartment, of course, is significant because it continues to build this case that this young man, this co-pilot was suffering from a mental instability, was being treated, according to the newspaper, by neurologists, by psychologists and perhaps that may also have something to do with the medical documents that were found ripped up and thrown in the trash can in his apartment, information that apparently Lubitz was hiding from his employer, Lufthansa, Poppy.
[Harlow:] I'm wondering what if anything Lufthansa is saying about Lubitz and how fit, indeed, he was to fly, because I know the chief executive a few days ago said that he passed all the relevant tests with flying colors, and they had no indication that anything could be amiss.
[Ripley:] Yes, and that has been echoed by our reporting on the ground here. Pam Brown speaking close to people like this, getting refraction Lufthansa as well, saying all of this comes as a surprise to them. They were unaware of this was going on. Again, aside from the pilot's annual physical exam, any other conditions including psychological, the airline policy is the pilot must self-report. And in this case, it is believed Lubitz did not do that. He didn't know his employer know he was experiencing problems, psychological, physical, or otherwise, because there were also that new reports from "New York Times" that Lubitz was diagnosed with some sort of a vision problem, a problem which could have potentially ended his flying career something important to him, something he dreamed about as a teenager. So, if you couple the psychological problems with this possible physical ailment, you can see investigators build this case to figure out a potential motive. One other thing they did not find, though, in his apartment, no indication of addiction to drugs or alcohol, also no suicide or any indications of radical political views. So, this medical and psychological is what the focus is on right now here in Germany, Poppy.
[Harlow:] Yes. Keep in mind, that according to some of the German sources telling our Pamela Brown that he had passed his physical back in the summer of 2014, one would assume that physical includes a vision test, and apparently he passed. So, we'll keep digging into that. Will Ripley, thank you very much. And while officials try to learn everything they can about the co- pilot, search crews in the French Alps still have not found that critical flight data recorder. They are recovering victims' bodies, remain, anything they can for their family members. Our Nic Robertson joins us from there. Good evening, Nic.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Each day begins here, helicopters lifting off. Local rescue pilot David Hurault among them, Friday particularly tough.
[David Hurault, Search & Rescue Helicopter Pilot:] The winds was always turning inside so, sometimes this way, sometimes this way, and for us, it was very difficult and the meshing, we are always in very, very closely knit.
[Robertson:] Lives are in his hands, luring recovery teams to the crash site.
[Hurault:] In the closed crews area, very, very close from the mountains. It's a very short place, so it's quite difficult for us.
[Robertson:] As the teams make their gruesome discoveries, locate the victim, he comes back, lifting literally swinging them homeward.
[Hurault:] I don't want to focus on the possible victims I see on the floor. So I'm proud because I know I will bring back bodies to the family and I think it's very important. It's my duty.
[Robertson:] From the mountains, the bodies are brought here to a mobile forensics lab for biometric and DNA testing. All of this happening in a remote and small Alpine village. [voice-over]: And here they have opened their hearts, touched by the tragedy that is unfolding around them. People at the nearby villages gathering for a service at the new memorial to the crash victims. David, the helicopter pilot, and his community, are still in shock.
[Hurault:] We can't imagine it was a very big plane, A320. They were flying over the place. You can see millions, millions of feet of pieces of the airplanes, and that's all. We can't recognize anything.
[Robertson:] Each day ends with the helicopter's safe return. Normality for everyone here is still a long way off.
[Harlow:] Nic Robertson joins me live now from really the base area where those search and recovery teams are leaving from every day. Nic, I know they're trying to build a road to make it easier for them to access the victims' remains, especially given weather conditions and how perilous the search and recovery effort has been. What do we know about that?
[Robertson:] Yes, Poppy. Really, we talk here about the way the community is opening its heart, while in the small village where that memorial is built, the mayor of the village with the council decided that one of the ways they can help not just with the recovery effort but help with the families because he's meeting the families coming to the village to see the memorial and be close to the crash site, so he's meeting these grieving people and he realized the best way they can help them in the village is to get them as close as possible to the crash site. So, that's what he said the villagers are going to do now. They've agreed to spend the money to build a road to get you know, to connect the village to the crash site. And he says he hopes once the recovery effort is finished and that crash site is cleared then family members will be able to come and visit and maybe just help them a little bit with closure here, Poppy.
[Harlow:] Nic Robertson, thank you very much for joining us. I appreciate it. Thank you for your report. We'll get back to you as we learn more. I want to bring in our panel to discuss this. CNN aviation analyst with me, Richard Quest, clinical and forensic psychologist Jeff Gardere is with us, and 777 captain and CNN aviation analyst Les Abend as well. Miles O'Brien, a pilot and CNN aviation analyst, joins me as well. Let me begin with you, Jeff, because we just got this news in to CNN from a highly regarded German newspaper saying that Lubitz, the co- pilot, suffered from a severe psychosomatic illness and that during their search of his apartment, police investigators seized several prescription drugs to treat this psychological illness. This paper is also reporting that Lubitz suffered from severe subjective burnout syndrome and severe depression. Look, we don't know what the drugs were that were found. And frankly we don't know if he was taking them at the time, but what do you make of this information we're just getting in?
[Jeff Gardere, Clinical And Forensic Psychologist:] Well, it tells us what we first thought, that of course there was an issue with mental illness to do something so horrific, something so violent as we've seen perhaps with some of the school shooters. This is very similar in that way. Certainly, there is depression there. Certainly, I am surprised about the psychosomatic illness. What we're talking about is someone who in some ways had manifested their own illness but that is based on stress, it's based on anxiety, it's based on psychosomatic illness. What we're talking about is someone who in some ways had manifested their own illness, but that is based on stress, it's based on anxiety, it's based on the depression, and exhaustion. So, this was someone who I thought, and we talked about this offline, who was very fragile emotionally and pushed over the edge could do something really horrific.
[Harlow:] Miles, we know that during his pilot training, Lubitz took a break back in 2009, and the German newspaper "Bild" is reporting that he suffered, quote, "a serious depressive episode around that time." Miles, as a pilot and aviation expert, if that's the case, should he have been allowed back into the program to finish the training?
[Miles O'brien, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] In a word, no. It there were all kinds of signs that this is a person who shouldn't be entrusted with the lives of others in that context. But there's kind of this "don't ask, don't tell" scenario, which exists in airlines. Airlines do put people through psychological testing when they hire them. But after that, they really don't want to hear about it unless you self- report. And in the climate of adversarial the adversarial nature between management and pilots, the mistrust that exists between both entities, pilots are loathe to self-report because they're not certain they'll be taken care of. As a matter of fact, to the contrary, they self- report, they know they're probably going to end their careers. So, there's the catch-22. What we need is proper psychological screening, ongoing, for the extent that pilots are active in their careers.
[Harlow:] But I think in part, Miles, to address that and, Les, I want you to weigh in as a pilot, the FAA passed a law in 2010 saying, look, pilots that are battling depression aren't just not going to be allowed to fly, they can take up to a certain amount of medication to treat depression like millions of Americans have, and they can continue doing their job. So, where's the line?
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, I mean, first of all, they have to be taking that medication for a certain period of time before the FAA will put them back on flight status. Where do you draw the line? It's an evaluation by a psychologist at that point. You know, I agree with pretty much most of what Miles is saying. The contentious nature I think when you have a pilot that has a problem, especially one that's been employed for quite some time, the airline and the union are going to work together to try to get them some help. Of course, if it comes to light, it's you know, "don't ask, don't tell" situation, I agree to some extent.
[Harlow:] That's really problematic.
[Abend:] It can be. But we have a support system that we can get help, get this pilot off of flight status. I've been trained in critical instance and stress management, which mostly mitigates posttraumatic stress disorder, that being said, I have recommended to our supervisors, our chief pilots and said, listen, we should haven't them go to work today and let's let them work out the problem.
[Harlow:] Richard, you've been speaking with pilots and chief executives of airlines. For some critics, as Miles points out, the airlines just test them than hire them, then don't want to hear about it. Is that the read you're getting?
[Quest:] No, it's not. It's not they don't want to hear about it. No chief executive, no chief medical officer wants to lose an aircraft and passengers. So, it's not a situation of shutting my eyes to it. I'm guessing that nobody really thought it was ever going to come to something like this in that scenario. There's never been the dramatic need that the last week has shown for this. Yes, there's an element of self-reporting that has to take place. And, yes, medical examiners in the United States, there's this last question on the form, have you consulted a medical adviser or the exact phraseology of it. So, there are avenues to it. But to your substantive point, should you sit down and have a psychological appraisal every six months? No.
[Harlow:] No.
[Quest:] That's the the feeling is that's not been necessary.
[Harlow:] Miles, final word on that. Do you agree that it is only necessary to have a physical examination every six months to one year, or should psychological evaluations come right along with that?
[O'brien:] I think of course that should be part of the exam, of course. The health of the mind is part of the picture. We've gotten away with it far long time because aviation had basically pilots checked on each other. But when you have really green pilots, low-time pilots coming into these low-cost carriers, there's no opportunity to evaluate that person. They are unknown quantities, and so that check and balance that occurred just sort of the peer review is not able to come into play. So, there would have to be other ways to root these people out.
[Harlow:] Really quickly, Richard.
[Quest:] The problem here, Miles, is, yes, you may be right in a perfect world, but who's going to do that appraisal on that psychological aspect? You're going to have to have a professional psychologist or somebody trained in that aspect to do it. And more than that
[Abend:] And why not?
[Quest:] Well, and
[O'brien:] So, what's the matter with that? What's the matter with that, Richard?
[Gardere:] You have a psychologist do the mental health. We should be doing that not just for pilots but anyone who has such a position of responsibility including police officers.
[Harlow:] Gentlemen, hold that thought. We'll be back with our panel in a moment. Miles, we'll be back in a moment. Quick break. Much more on the crash of Flight 9525 ahead. Also, this huge unrest in Yemen that continues fears of a wider war. We're going to talk about this as Yemen's foreign minister tells CNN the Saudi-led troops, ground troops could be in the country of Yemen within days. The details, next. But, first, this throughout the hour we will be remembering the victims of Germanwings Flight 9525, including Australian nurse Carol Friday and her 29-year-old son, Greg. The two were on a European vacation together. Greg dreamed of finding a job teaching in France. Carol celebrated her 68th birthday on Monday, the day before she died in that crash.

[Cuomo:] I always sing this song as a personal anthem. Academy Award-winning actress Angelina Jolie now getting major Oscar buzz as a director for the World War II epic "Unbroken". All right. Now, making this film was a fashion project for Jolie and she formed a very personal connection with this extraordinary man at the center of it, all right? His name is Louis Zamperini. And this movie is really about her as much as it is about him. Take a look.
[Unidentified Male:] A lot of ocean.
[Cuomo:] To say the story of Louie Zamperini as epic would be an epic understatement. Listen to this, a kid who goes from outrunning cops to outrunning almost everyone in the world at the Olympics. That would be impressive enough. But it's only the beginning. Zamperini would become a top bombardier during World War II, survived a crash, and then an unheard of 47 days at sea in a raft, only to be captured by Japanese forces, and then endured two and a half years of torture by a psychopath in a prison camp.
[Unidentified Male:] You are enemies of Japan. Look me in the eye.
[Cuomo:] The story of Zamperini's survival chronicled by Laura Hillenbrand became an instant bestseller and there was only one title that could ever do it justice, "Unbroken". Actress Angelina Jolie now takes on the daunting task of bringing it to the screen. [on camera]: This story may be one of the best survival stories that I have ever read. And you feel the same way.
[Angelina Jolie, Director, "unbroken":] Yes.
[Cuomo:] But how do you make the decision to take on the task of telling a story like this?
[Jolie:] Blind bravery. That's an expression. I loved this story so much, like so many people, I had to convince them and convince myself I could do it. But I was convincing them I can do a shark attack, I can do a bombing, and I have a plan. I have a plan for how to recreate the Olympics. It's I'm not afraid of CG at all.
[Cuomo:] How did you make the choices, though? Usually you have a linear thread, right? Story.
[Jolie:] Right.
[Cuomo:] But this one
[Jolie:] So hard. So hard.
[Cuomo:] There's so many parts of this.
[Jolie:] I remember reading it and thinking why has it taken over 50 years for somebody to do this. It's the most obvious movie, it's great, and then there was a day where I thought, that's why, because I ended up making this graph of OK, what are the themes of his life. There's endurance, there's the facing abuse, there's endures, there's faith. What's amazing about the story is so many people say, was that all true? And you think, that was not even it. There was so much more. It's actually less than his life. So, it's really unbelievable.
[Cuomo:] And he had struggles that he overcame once he came home as well. They're so relevant, today's fighting men and women.
[Jolie:] Oh, absolutely. And so, what we did with that section is we talked about it. We said he comes home and what happens? He becomes very vengeful, full of hate, wants to kill the bird, goes very dark.
[Unidentified Male:] I want to kill him. Then, they shoot you. I don't give a damn, let them shoot me. That's not how. We beat him by making it to the end of the war alive.
[Jolie:] And then remembers the remembers the promise he made on the raft to God, remembers his mother praying. So, what we decided we would always have faith through the movie and this idea of darkness and light and darkness and light.
[Cuomo:] So, you take this book, it's a legendary epic story of perseverance and survival. First, you've got to make me happy, I'm the audience. Now, you've got to make Zamp happy and you know he's coming towards the end of his life. He's OK with it. But you want to show him the movie. What is that like?
[Jolie:] So, I got to call he was in the hospital. It took me by surprise and I brought it on my laptop and I held it over him in the hospital room and it was one of the most extraordinary experiences of my life. I think I went in there thinking, you know, is he going to like the movie? And, of course, it had nothing to do with the movie or making a movie. It was a man at the end of his life, this mountain of a man at the end of his life. Remembering his mother, his brother, all the friends he had lost. And when he, at this fragile state, seeing himself cross the finish line and be all that he had been in his life. And I think it was he was preparing himself to pass away. He was revisiting his memories and I was just there to watch the sparkling blue eyes. And, you know, and just felt honored to be there. Just felt honored to be there.
[Cuomo:] What a gift. What a gift you gave him, what a gift he gave you. What did he say? Did he like it?
[Jolie:] Well, he didn't say. That's the thing.
[Cuomo:] Oh, no.
[Jolie:] No, he didn't say. He didn't it wasn't, he was never planning on reviewing it. You know? He would have, and he probably would have told me he loved it regardless because he was that kind of a guy. And then before I left, because it was the last thing he said to me. He said something to me which I will never tell anyone. It was extremely funny and appropriate and extremely Louie. So, he left and I walked out of the room laughing and smiling. I thought, how did he do it, even in this moment take care of me and I'm walking out of his hospital room with a big smile on my face, feeling he wanted to make me feel it was OK. So he was great, he was great.
[Pereira:] What an extraordinary man.
[Camerota:] But, the story is extraordinary. The movie sounds like it's going to be extraordinary. The book was. But it seems like you and Angelina had a little bit of a connection there. It really does. I mean, I'm serious. You got more sort of personal information out of her, a softer side than I have seen in some interviews.
[Cuomo:] I was a little baffled at the end of the interview. I said, Angelina, thank you so very much. And she was like, absolutely, Frank, anytime. But I'll tell you, one of the reasons that we want to show you this interview is that she made choices about what to tell about his life that were a reflection of her own. She does not talk about the stuff that's she's dealt with her life very often.
[Camerota:] Great.
[Cuomo:] But she does through the choices she made in this movie, and she acknowledges it is in the interview and what it means for her and what she's doing with her own family. We're going to show you more of that coming up.
[Camerota:] Yes, you got her to talk about those things.
[Cuomo:] No, she wanted to talk about it.
[Pereira:] I think the film got her to talk about it, too.
[Camerota:] I'm just giving him credit.
[Pereira:] Well, OK, it's Frank.
[Cuomo:] Believe me, I'll give myself credit. Just don't deserve it right here. There's a lot of news this morning in addition to this. So, let's get to it.
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein , California:] The CIA spent $40 million to prevent us from issuing this report.
[Unidentified Male:] It's a pure political piece of crap.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The CIA set up something very fast, without a lot of forethought.
[Unidentified Male:] I think it was rogue by design. We didn't threat the Nazis like this. People at the top frankly didn't want to be aware of the specifics. This is something that is without precedent. Grand Central Terminal in New York, the seventh straight day of demonstrations.
[Uniddentified Male:] They're moving slowly towards the New York Police Department headquarters.
[Unidentified Female:] A silent shout from Chicago Bulls player, Derrick Rose.
[Unidentified Male:] They're role models and a lot of people follow what they do. You got something to say, I think it's a great message.
[Camerota:] Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to NEW DAY. I'm Alisyn Camerota, alongside Chris Cuomo. America in the line of fire this morning. That is the very real threat this morning and fear as bombshell details surface from the Senate's CIA torture report.
[Cuomo:] Top U.S. officials are now legitimately worried that these revelations could cause reprisals worldwide, maybe help ISIS even luring new recruits. This as new questions are raised about why the CIA continued these torture tactics, even though the report says they weren't working. So, there's a lot to figure out here. Let's get right to senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Chris, good morning. President Obama is standing by the release of this torture report saying mistakes were made. But former top CIA officials are only beginning to speak out, and they are defending their actions.
[Acosta:] It was stinging criticism for the CIA from a sitting president. In an interview with Telemundo, President Obama said the agency was wrong to use harsh interrogation techniques on terror detainees after the 911 attacks that amounted to torture.
[Obama:] I think in the midst of a national trauma, and uncertainty as to whether these attacks were going to repeat themselves, what's clear is that the CIA set up something very fast, without a lot of forethought to what the ramifications might be.
[Acosta:] The president was responding to Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein's damning report on CIA interrogations that said detainees were waterboarded, kept in dungeon conditions, while others were naked, hooded and dragged, while being slapped and punched. The report said the agency misled the Bush administration about the program, and that no CIA officer up to and including CIA directors briefed the president on the tactics before April 2006.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] And here we go. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for joining me here on this Tuesday. We have to begin with the difficult and dangerous U.S. military mission in Afghanistan. It has now stormed back into the headlines today with word that a U.S. general has been shot and killed by a gunman believed to have been an Afghan soldier. If you look at a map here, it happened just outside of the capital of Kabul at a training center for Afghan military officers. This is basically, as we've been talking to reporters it's inside of Kabul, it's likened to an Afghan version of West Point, where the country's future military leaders are trained. Up to 15 others, including some Americans and a German brigadier general, were wounded in this same attack. We can tell you at this hour that the gunmen, the assailant here, was killed. By whom, we do not yet know. The Pentagon says the general's death is one of the highest ranking American deaths in the war since 9112001. Let's go more from CNN's chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto, who is live for us at the Pentagon right now, and former CIA counterterrorism official Philip Mudd, standing by to offer his analysis as well. So welcome to both of you. And just, Jim Sciutto, to you, what is the very latest? What do we know?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, Brooke, certainly a grim day for the people here in the Pentagon, but also for coalition forces in Afghanistan. As you say, the most senior U.S. general killed since 911. In fact11. But a significant toll as well, 15 injured, eight of them American, and we're told that eight several of those injuries are serious. I've also learned that this attacker was an Afghan soldier who had gone through a vetting process because these so-called green on blue attacks, Afghan soldiers attacking coalition forces, have been an ongoing problem with the U.S. military for a number of years now. They've introduced a vetting process. This soldier went through that vetting process, but still this morning turned his gun, a light machine gun, I'm told, on these soldiers, killing that one U.S. general and injuring several more seriously. And that raises very serious questions, not only about the vetting process, but also about what's going on underway right now, which is the transition from security in Afghanistan being handled by coalition forces in the lead to Afghan forces. And t hose two issue I raised with the Pentagon spokesman, Admiral John Kirby, a short time ago here in the Briefing Room. Here's how he answered, Brooke.
[Sciutto:] Wondered, bigger picture, we're months away from Afghan from the U.S. handing over security responsibility for Afghanistan to Afghan forces like these. Does this undermine your confidence in their ability to take over that role?
[Rear Adm. John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary:] Great question, Jim. First, too soon to tell on what this means for the vetting process. Again, we believe this individual was a member of the Afghan National Security Forces. We need to let the investigation proceed to figure out exactly who this was before we can lead to any conclusions about the vetting process. On your second question, I would say, and General Dunford mentioned this in his discussion with the secretary today, the Afghan National Security Forces continue to perform at a very strong level of competence and confidence and warfare capability.
[Sciutto:] We're told that this was a routine visit to the national defense university, the Marshal Fahim National Defense University. This is a massive training facility outside of Kabul, the capital in Afghanistan, where they are underway with training. You know, the senior leaders of the Afghan military going forward. And this is you know, it's a real blow to those efforts to have an attack like this take place at what is really Afghanistan's West Point, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Yes. To underscore that, these are apparently the future leaders of Afghanistan, so it's huge. And, Phil Mudd, let me just add, we learned just a little bit ago that the Taliban are not claiming responsibility for this specific attack, but the spokesperson is praising this Afghan soldier who carried out these shootings. But I want to take it back to the question that Jim Sciutto asked of John Kirby, that being the undermining of the confidence between Americans and Afghans. How can it not, as we are preparing more or less to withdraw?
[Philip Mudd, Cnn Counterterrorism Analyst:] I think you've got to separate out the tragedy that we've witnessed in the past 24 hours from the trend line we've seen for a couple years. These kinds of insider attacks, what's called green on blue, were almost a weekly occurrence back in 2012. They've dropped dramatically through 2013 and into this year. And we've also seen the Afghan security forces take it to the Taliban, particularly in the Taliban heartland of the south. So this is a tragedy, but let's not assume it suggests that the Taliban is on the resurgence here.
[Baldwin:] We know, just looking down at my notes, I believe it was 61 coalition officers killed when it was really at its peak in 2012 with those insider attacks. Jim Sciutto, how often has this happened, taking out the significant of this general being killed, how often have these green on blue attacks say happened in the last 365 days?
[Sciutto:] Well, to Phil's point, they did peak in 2012 and those attacks dipped in 2013. There have only been a couple so far this year in 2014. That's a step forward. There is a risk going forward though because as the U.S. military and coalition forces pull back, it's going to be Afghan forces making the decisions, vetting the soldiers when they come in and presumably they won't have the same ability that U.S. and coalition forces have had to prevent this kind of attack down the line. So that's a risk to be aware of going forward. But to Phil's point, tremendous progress has been made among those measures, a vetting process that this soldier went through, but, of course, as Admiral Kirby said today, those measures mitigate the risk, but this is still a war zone, they don't eliminate the risk.
[Baldwin:] OK. Phil Mudd and Jim Sciutto, I appreciate you both joining me on this story. We're going to take you back to it, but I just want to hit pause and take you straight to this news conference. This has just begun. We've been watching and waiting for that second Ebola victim to be taken, as she now has, to Emory Medical Center in Atlanta. She is Nancy Writebol. The group that she was working with, she was living in Monrovia in Africa, in Liberia. So this group she was employed by, Serving In Mission, SIM, they're holding a news conference. Let's dip in.
[Bruce Johnson, President, Sim Usa:] Husband David, he's still in Liberia. He may be available for interviews later on. But again, right now his focus and our focus is for that family to care for one another and to give them the space to love mom. You can contact Palmer, of course, with any further questions that you might have. Let me just update you on Nancy before she left Liberia. We've seen her arrive here on the stretcher. It was a much different scene than Kent. There's an age difference between Kent and Nancy. But I talked with David about 11:00 a.m. in Liberia and I asked him, David, if you were at your home church, what would you share with someone that came up to you and said, how's Nancy doing? And he said, Nancy is still very weak. She shows signs of continued improvement. She's showing signs of progress and is moving in the right direction. And Nancy had yogurt before she got on the airplane. Hope she got some peanuts on the flight over. When Nancy was put on the airplane at 1:00 a.m. Monrovia time, they took her to the plane on a stretcher. However, she did stand up and with assistance got on the airplane, which was great news. He said, you know, we still have a long ways to go but we have reason for hope. And as he said, we are cautiously optimistic. You know, he also went on to say that, Nancy and I are profoundly grateful to the U.S. government and all that were marshalled on behalf of them and to be able to have Nancy back in the U.S. I am very happy and I'm extremely grateful. I'm not anxious or fretful or fearful, just relieved, as you could imagine. A week ago, he said, we were thinking about possible funeral arrangements, yet we kept our faith. Now we have a real reason to be hopeful. We would have gone over the edge. I would have gone over the edge if I hadn't been able to communicate with family and dear friends by phone and over the Internet. The degree of care that Nancy has received in Liberia has been exceptional on our mission campus. It's not like having a nurse just come up and come in and puff up your pillows. It's more like going into a nuclear reactor. The suits are very clumsy, they're hot, they're very uncomfortable, but it was like watching the love of Christ take place right before your eyes. And then at the end of the call, David actually prayed for me. Jeremy Writebol has issued this statement that will be made available to you. Jeremy said, we are tremendously relieved that our mother is back in the United States. We know that she will receive the best medical care possible at Emory University Hospital. We're grateful to everyone who has joined us in praying for this moment. Please continue to pray for her and for Dr. Kent Brantly. I'd be glad to take your questions. Yes.
[Johnson:] Good to see you again, Kate.
[Unidentified Female:] Good to see you too. So it sounds like really good news. What is Nancy's prognosis? How long do you think she might have to be here?
[Johnson:] The doctors that are caring for her now at Emory University, we're turning those reports over to Emory University Hospital on those kinds of situations, her medical care.
[Unidentified Male:] Steve Osunsami with ABC News. How are you?
[Johnson:] Good, Steve.
[Baldwin:] SIM this is the president of SIM, Serving In Mission. This is the group that Nancy Writebol, a woman who had been living with her husband David in Liberia, had been working with, employed by, working with Samaritan's Purse, doing great work in West Africa when she had gotten Ebola. She is the second American Ebola patient. And she's just landed in Georgia. But just quickly, something to note. Just pretty stunning to know that she is in Atlanta being taken care of at Emory Medical Center, as we're watching her being taken earlier today out of this ambulance. But to listen to the president of SIM talk about the conversation he had with her husband saying it was just a week ago when they were already thinking of funeral arrangements and here she is steadily improving. She is in this hospital in the same isolation ward with Dr. Kent Brantly. He was working with Ebola patients in Liberia as well last month when he became infected. Here they both are. So they're both Americans. They have both been given this highly experimental serum to treat this virus that, keep in mind, has never before been tested on humans. And so far, the drug seems to be working. Joining me now from Atlanta, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, our chief medical
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] You know, what I would say is that I was more surprised that Dr. Brantly, a patient from a few days ago, had walked into the hospital from the ambulance. The fact that she was on a gurney I thought was more sort of what we expected, especially given how grave their conditions were just a few days ago. Brooke, I was struck by the same thing that you were struck by. You know, we hear from Mr. Johnson there just giving that press conference saying that her husband, you know, was talking about, you know, planning funeral arrangements for her. It's I mean I just it's hard to even imagine what the family's been going through for some time now, left wondering, waiting for some time until they're just now reunited with her family members for the first time. But again, you know, Dr. Brantly, it was a similar sort of situation, Brooke. You may remember, I mean, he thought he was going to die. He spoke to his wife on the phone telling her as much and then, you know, he was given this treatment, which seemed to have a dramatic impact on him. Improvement, you know, by the next morning he was up, able to shower on his own before he got on the plane to fly here.
[Baldwin:] Amazing.
[Gupta:] A similar sort of thing we're hearing now with her. Those are some more details that we had not heard before, Brooke, in terms of just how grave her condition was.
[Baldwin:] So they were thinking of funeral arrangements a week ago. Now we hear that she was able to at least eat yogurt before getting on that plane en route from Africa via Maine to Atlanta. Let me ask you now, though, Sanjay, about the people, both head-to-toe, I mean nothing everything covered, taking her inside Emory to the isolation unit. What do we think is happening now behind closed doors with both of these patients? What kind of precautions are being taken?
[Gupta:] Well, first of all, I think they probably took Ms. Writebol up to this isolation unit. Obviously that's the reason she is here, to get that she's going to be in that isolation ward. But they're also probably going to do a full assessment now, something that she has likely not had in Liberia, according to the doctors I spoke to. And that means, you know, how her heart how is her heart, how are her lungs kidney, her liver, all of those questions and obviously trying to determine, does she need additional fluids, does she need any blood problems, has she had any bleeding problems. She also got two of three doses of that experimental medication that we've been talking about, Brooke. A third dose is planned now, we understand, for Wednesday.
[Baldwin:] OK.
[Gupta:] The Emory University doctors have been in touch with the National Institutes of Health and the FDA to get her that medication here. And my guess is at some point the family is going to visit her as well. I mean, again, they've been they've been waiting for a long time for this.
[Baldwin:] Can't imagine. Thinking about their family members, their loved ones, wishing and obviously hoping for the best as we are for them as well. Dr. Gupta, thank you very much for me, outside of Emory Medical Center. And coming up in about 15 minutes from now, we're going to come back to this story and ask the question, what are airports doing to screen passengers possibly with Ebola? We'll take a closer look at the step officials are taking to try to keep people on board those planes safe. Also ahead, a major move, Russia, building up troops along the Ukrainian border, and they could be ready to strike at a moment's notice. Question we want to know is, is Vladimir Putin nervous? Is he worried? Plus, just hours into a cease-fire between Hamas and Israel, my next guest says it's pretty clear now that Israel must bring Hamas, the militant group, to the negotiation table. Hear why. You're watching CNN's special coverage.

[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] And we understand the importance of all those who have been advocates of a free and Democratic Ukraine and all those who understand the importance of the effort being expended by the people of Ukraine. It makes it all the more important that we are there for the long term and for the future. Today, I was very pleased to hear in all of my meetings that the government remains very committed to the path of reform, and the reform process, though difficult, is part of the economic future of Ukraine. That is, in fact, Ukraine's best weapon in the end in terms of this fight for sovereignty and independence and democracy. The more the reforms take hold, the more the reforms take place, the more there will be investment from the outside, the more opportunity there will be to deal with the economic crisis, and the more the people of Ukraine will believe that they are getting exactly what they fought for, which is important. The prime minister, the president, the foreign minister each highlighted the efforts to me that are already under way in order to root out corruption, to reform the judicial and the energy sector, to fix Ukraine's financial system, and to improve the business climate. Now, obviously, we are focused first and foremost on stopping the violence that has torn through eastern Ukraine. Since last April, more than 5, 350 people have been killed, thousands of residential buildings have been completely destroyed. The shelling by the separatists is indiscriminate, hitting hospitals, schools and public areas where civilians wait in line for a bus for transportation, for food, and for supplies. Hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to flee, leaving everything behind, that's if they're even able to be able to get out. Families are huddled in basements and train stations without food, without heat, without electricity, not knowing whether they will be able or when they might be able to leave. So this is the reality that far too many people are facing here in this conflict. As a result of that, as the prime minister mentioned a moment ago, the United States is committing another several million dollars, $16.5 million, immediately in order to help those Ukrainians most affected by the conflict in the Donbas. And like other humanitarian aid that we have provided since the conflict began, these funds are going to support the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, the U.N. Office of Coordination for Humanitarian Affairs, and other organizations, and it is money that will be specifically directed to go to the east, to the very place that Russia's aid to the separatists and the separatists' efforts are having the most negative impact. So we're not overlooking even that area of conflict. This announcement brings the total U.S. assistance to Ukraine to more than $355 million since the crisis began for the purpose of addressing these kinds of emergency humanitarian needs. That's outside of other assistance that we have provided directly to the government in various other forms, and outside of the loan guarantees that I just mentioned. Now, we are deeply concerned that the violence in Ukraine is accelerating. That's why I'm here. That's why President Hollande and Chancellor Merkel are here. That's why this weekend we will meet again in Munich, the Munich conference with Vice President Biden, with Chancellor Merkel and others, in order to continue the diplomacy that is taking place here today. Far from meeting the Minsk commitments, Russia and the separatists are seizing more territory, terrorizing more citizens, and refusing to participate in serious negotiations. Let there be no doubt about who is blocking the prospect of peace here. They continue to refuse Ukraine the control of its own border its own border. This is an international border recognized as the sovereign property and line of demarcation of a nation state in the modern world. Yet Russia with impunity, seemingly, has acted to cross that border at will with weapons, with personnel, with the instruments of death that they are bringing into Ukraine. Russia and the separatists are seizing more territory and continuing to refuse control to Ukraine of its rights as a sovereign nation. Russian weapons and fighters and I might add, this is not an accusation without foundation. We live in a modern world of great technology. Everybody understands the ability to see things from high altitudes, whether it's in space or lower. And the fact is we have been tracing and we have seen exactly what they're bringing over, when and how, and there's no question about tanks flowing, rocket systems being transported, convoys of goods carrying both people, weapons and other instruments of battle. So, unfortunately, a large propaganda system in their media continues to spew what can only be characterized as lies about what is happening on the ground and who is responsible for violence. Now, we know one thing for sure. President Putin can make the choices that could end this war together, with President Poroshenko's choices to move towards peace as he has evidenced he is prepared to do and wants to do and has done so in good faith in his effort to sign on to the Minsk agreements. As I have said repeatedly, there have been a number of off-ramps for Russia to take over the course of the past months, but unfortunately they've been left in the rear view mirror. Those off-ramps are narrowing and there's still an opportunity to be able to seize them. There is a way back to better ties with Europe, with the west, with the United States. There is a way to get back to a cooperative set of measures that we can take together. But it begins with a cease-fire and with allowing Russia allowing Ukraine to control its own international border and respect that border and begin to move the heavy machinery, the heavy weapons of war, out to the opposite side of that border. It also begins with the release of political prisoners including Nadia Savchenko and others. As soon as these choices are made, this situation can improve. The only way that it ends is through diplomacy. We have no illusions that there is a, quote, military solution. And contrary to some comments that I've read in the last days coming from some of the folks who have made the choices to fuel this conflict, we are not choosing a military outcome. We are choosing a peaceful solution through diplomacy. But you cannot have a one-sided peace. It takes the parties to come together in an effort to try to achieve it. Now, people thought that had happened with the Minsk agreement, that that was a significant step with a significant road forward to be able to achieve a different outcome. No one, not Ukraine, not the United States, not our European partners, want this conflict with Russia to continue another day, not another day. All we're asking is, though, that Russia and the separatists support and honor the commitments that they made, that they implement a real cease-fire, including by pulling back those heavy weapons from the cease-fire line at the border, that they remove foreign troops and equipment from Ukraine, that hostages are released and ultimately that they respect the international border and Ukrainian sovereignty. I can guarantee you the United States of America help be a guarantor of that kind of a peace if it can be achieved. For its part
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] You've been listening to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who is in Kiev meeting with the leaders of Ukraine, talking about the grave situation in the eastern part of that country, the Ukrainian military battling pro-Russian separatists. In some cases, the secretary says Russians themselves are seizing more territory, terrorizing more civilians. He says there's no ambiguity about it. Whatever propaganda that coming out to the contrary, he says, is simply lies.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Simply lies. The big question and what all the reporters are waiting for, is being able to ask questions about what the United States is going to be able to do in terms of doing more. Are they going to be able to provide defensive lethal aid as debated within the administration, we are hearing? Are they going to go through with that? That's part of the conversation going forward. We'll keep you updated as this develops. We'll be right back after this.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news this morning, a gunman opening fire inside Florida State University's crowded library. Campus locked down, three people hospitalized. What we're learning this morning ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans. John Berman is off this morning. It is just about 30 minutes past the hour. We're following this breaking news: a dramatic scene inside Florida State University's main library. A shootout as campus police confronted a gunman, telling him to drop his weapon.
[David Northway, Tallahasee Police:] Instead of complying with their commands, the gunman, in turn, fired a shot at the officers and they returned fire killing the suspect.
[Daniel Morales, Fsu Freshman:] We saw this guy running saying someone has a gun. Run! At first we thought it was a joke. Again, we were a little flustered, but we didn't do much. We saw a group of people running with tears down their eyes and sprinting down the library. So at that point, I dropped everything that I was doing and started sprinting with them. With a group of people, we hid under several desks and there were people pacing around the room and we didn't really know what to do. We came up with the idea to barricade the doors. So nothing would happen or make it difficult for anyone to come in so we cleared off a bunch of study tables and we barricaded the doors with it. And that was what we did.
[Romans:] Police say there are three shooting victims in the hospital this morning. I want to bring in CNN's Nick Valencia on his way to Tallahassee right now to cover this story for us. Nick, what can you tell us?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Christine. A frightening scene for everyone involved there on campus at Florida State University. As you mentioned, three people shot and injured. We know that right now. We also know that the gunman is shot and killed believed to be by campus police. The saddest of the three that were injured, at least one of the victims is currently in critical condition. We are waiting to get more information on those that are still hospitalized. The shooting took place around midnight at Strozier Library, which is there on campus. Over 300 people were in that library according to witnesses at the time of the shooting. I spoke to Alex Levine, who is a senior inside the basement. He describes to me a scene of havoc and mad house and chaos for about 30 or 45 minutes. He said he saw an officer show up in full riot gear and SWAT gear. He said it was very, very scary for everyone there because they just didn't know what was happening. He said at one point there was a brief search for what was thought was the second gunman, but that was later reported to be a rumor. They believe at this point this is the only person which was the shooter who has been shot and killed. There's the threat currently to the campus. The students tell me the scene was definitely one of confusion. People running around, people losing shoes as they are running from the scene. The student I just spoke to a little while ago, he just left after a very long night of being involved in this incident. He is still on edge and very frightened. What we know, though, Christine, that there will be a 6:00 a.m. news conference from Tallahassee Police Department. We hope to get more updates on the shooter and of course the motive, the why. Why did this happen? This is the question students are asking themselves this morning.
[Romans:] The shooter is dead, Nick? Three people are in the hospital. We assuming those are students in the hospital, although there are some reports that one of those people in the hospital may be a security guard. We don't know if the shooter was a student, but we suspect we are going to get a lot more information from the police at that press conference about just to that shooter was. Interesting, Nick, that it was finals week. It was a crowded library. Someone wanting to have maximum impact, that's where maximum impact would be Nick.
[Valencia:] Absolutely. You know, the student I spoke to said he had a metabolics test that he was studying for this morning. We know from Florida State University campus official that test anyone that was going to take a test, the tests had been canceled today. Any classes that the testing center for Florida State University have been canceled as well. Employees, though, are still going to show up to work today, Christine. Things will try to return as normal, but lots of questions that we will hope to get more answers to at the 6:00 a.m. Eastern news conference coming up here in about 28 minutes.
[Romans:] And Florida State University just tweeting that classes are canceled for FSU students here today. Nick, as you were pointing out, you know, some of the witnesses were describing, you know, 35 minutes of chaos. But I will say generally when you have school shooting situations. It can be hours before you have the dangerous situation contained. This happened at 12:30 and by 3:00 a.m., police had secured the scene and the shooter was dead. So a pretty swift response from campus police at FSU, we'll see what they have to say about that at 6:00 this morning, in just about a half hour. Nick, thank you for that. Best of luck to you today reporting on that story. Meantime, the other big story we are following this morning. Republicans and Democrats are bracing for an epic partisan battle over immigration. President Obama is ready to reveal his plan for overhauling the nation's immigration system. He will do it in primetime tonight. He is expected to rewrite the rules for deportation. This will affect millions of undocumented immigrants. He is doing it all without Congress. Listen to the president explain on his Facebook page what he is doing and why.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] So what I'm going to be layout is the things that I can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system work better even as I continue to work with Congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem.
[Romans:] All right, the president's decision to bypass Congress by using his executive authority has Republicans in an uproar. Let's get more on that plan and the reaction from our White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Hi, Christine. Right now, we know tonight the president will take this momentous executive action on immigration. It could affect at least 3 million people, possibly up to 5 million. What this would do is it is not a path to citizenship. It would be temporary and renewable. It would give people two things, the right to stay in America without being deported and the right to work here. According to sources, it would likely affect the parents of children, who are already American citizens or have a legal basis to stay here provided that those parents had been in America for a period of years. We don't know exactly what the parameters are. It is also likely that this would expand those same kinds of allowances that were granted by President Obama in 2012 to people who are brought to America illegally as children also known as dreamers. But those sources say this would not likely not extend to the parents of those dreamers so that has led some groups to complain already that President Obama's action is not going far enough. And on the other hand, you have fiercely angry Republicans who called President Obama Emperor Obama and threatened everything from law suits to defunding parts of the budget that would allow this executive action to work even impeachment. The White House though says it is confident that this executive action has a strong legal foundation and that it will be fully implemented Christine.
[Romans:] Right, a busy day at the White House, for sure, Michelle. The White House has released this photo of the president working on his big speech tonight. The president addresses the nation at 8 p.m. Eastern. You can see it live right here on CNN. More snow is falling this morning on bruised and battered Buffalo where there are already buried under 6 feet of snow. A monster lake- effect storm has killed seven people and up to two more feet of snow is on the way. Governor Andrew Cuomo is declaring a state of emergency for the region that is shut down and already overwhelmed. Just look at this scene, emergency crews simply can't get through the mountains of snow to reach hundreds of abandoned cars stopped in tracks by the storm. Let's go to Buffalo where meteorologist, Jennifer Gray is. It's a big departure for you from Atlanta to be up there in 6 feet of snow, my dear.
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, yes. It is quite a change from home. This is something that even people in Buffalo can't believe. You know, they are used to a lot of snow, but they say this is unprecedented. We could be setting all kinds of records here, Christine. Almost an entire year's worth of snow falling in only 24 to 48 hours. We are now at a staging area where these bulldozers are. They've moved from plows to bulldozers because they are literally scooping this snow up and hauling it out. You can see one of those back here. The guys are already out. We got here this morning around 4:00. Visibility was zero. You could not see anything. Plows were still out there trying to take care of the roads. This is a parking lot that has been plowed many, many times. There's probably 6 inches of snow underneath me that's just been packed down. But there are so many streets south of Buffalo that look like this. This is not a snow mound because of a plow. This is actual snow that has fallen and this is how much snow we are looking at all over. Some areas have even more. We could see an additional 2 to 3 feet. So many people find their cars like this, completely underneath the snow. In this parking lot, there are probably about 50 cars like this that are just going to have to dig out in the next couple of days. Temperatures will warm up. However, we are expected to get rain on Saturday. That could pose a problem. Christine, this has been very, very serious. We've had seven deaths as you said. Now the concern, more people could be in danger as the snow continues to fall and roofs could even collapse from the weight of the snow. Gas lines could break as well. So it is not over yet here in Buffalo Christine.
[Romans:] Be careful getting in those buried cars and turning on the car. Be very careful about carbon monoxide poisoning. Be careful, watch your elderly relatives, anybody out there who is trying to shovel snow, it can be dangerous. Jennifer, thank you for that. Let's get right to meteorologist, Indra Petersons this morning. She is tracking the storm bringing us more of what's happening here.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes. Great shot behind Jen because you actually see that wind picking up behind her. That snow is so light because it is so cold that any amount of wind can bring visibility right down to zero. Again, just blows that snow right around and you can see even if it is not falling out of the sky, but unfortunately more will be falling again today. We're talking about another band of lake-effect snow to produce another 2 feet of snow in the exact same hardest hit areas. What are we looking at? Right now, Buffalo, you see yesterday they started to get a breather from the lake-effect snow. It tapered off throughout the day. The light snow fell from a cold front that went through and now notice the long line over the lakes again. Another band of the heavy lake effect snow is now under way. So here is what is going on. You have that very warm temperature of the lake and cold air above it. They want to flip. Cold air wants to sink. So with that, you get that instability and then the winds over the lakes produce all that instability and converge all of that snowfall right towards the end of the lake. Another way to look at it is the direction of the lake or wind. The wind is going across the fetch of the lake. The more snow you will have at the end of the bay. If you have a different wind direction so things can change so quickly that you are going to have less snow in a different place. This is the reason we are talking about this huge variety in these totals. You are talking about some places at 67 inches. Meanwhile, just a few miles away, only 3 inches of snow. That's the reason some people are getting a breather. The winds shifts just a little bit and here it goes again. Snowfall is about 4 to 5 inches per hour.
[Romans:] Here it goes again. Thank you so much for that, Indra. All right, breaking news this morning, a gunman opening fire inside a college campus library, three people wounded. The new information we're learning that's ahead. New fallout for Bill Cosby as more women come forward claiming the legendary comedian raped them. Brian Stelter is breaking it all down for us next.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] "I am the shooter," the words of Major Nadal Hasan, his opening statement today lasting less than 2 minutes. He removed all doubt about his role in that 2009 shooting at Fort Hood. His trial opened today in a heavily, fortified courtroom at the military base. Let me take you back and remind you that 13 people were killed in that shooting spree, 30 more wounded and survivors have not at all forgotten any of the details. At least one says he won't be afraid to look this man in the eye.
[Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford, Fort Hood Shooting Survivor:] During the initial act of the shooting in 2009 when I realized what was happening seeing someone that wears the same uniform that I wear that was shooting us and at the time not having a reason to shoot us, but by him yelling, I was hurt because in the military we all believe one color. We wear one color. Doesn't matter what your national origin is because we're fighting for a common cause. For him to turn on us that day and to start killing innocent people, it leaves you speechless. Now the other thing that's going to happen is that Major Hasan is expecting because we suffer from PTSD or TBI that we are going to be afraid to stand in front of him, but I will share this with you from the heart, we will show no fear in the face of the enemy. We will not allow Major Hasan or anyone that's following him or anyone that he has followed strike any fear on our beloved citizens of the United States of America.
[Baldwin:] CNN's Ed Lavandera is covering this for us from Fort Hood. Ed, back to Hasan and back to this 2 minutes or less than 2 minutes opening statement, what did he say in that little time? What was your reaction to it in the courtroom?
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it was fascinating because the prosecutors had just spent the previous hour meticulously detailing how he carried out the massacre not too far away from where this trial is going on and how the 13 people were killed and more than 30 others were wounded. It was in precise detail and it was very painful to hear it at one point. In fact, prosecutors had talked about one pregnant victim who was pleading for the life of her unborn child as she was shot and hurt describing what one witness said, I heard "My baby, my baby" and then the voice went silent. So you've spent an hour listening to that kind of emotional testimony and then Hasan stood up and in a matter of moments took away all of that attention and said he claimed to be the shooter just right out of the gate. Took away any pretense about whether or not this trial would be about his guilt or innocence. Hasan basically declaring he is the shooter. He also went on to say that the evidence will show one side of the story here. That the evidence will show that I was on the wrong side being a U.S. soldier and that I switched sides so clearly Major Hasan trying to use this trial as a platform to try to espouse his religious beliefs. Prosecutors say that his motive for the shooting was that he was going to be deployed to Afghanistan towards the end of 2009. He did not want to be deployed. He felt it was his Jihad duty to kill as many U.S. soldiers as possible Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Ed Lavandera for us in Fort Hood. Ed, I want to talk legal sort of what we can expect in the coming days and perhaps weeks here. Criminal Defense Attorneys Monica Lindstrom joins me from Phoenix and Dennis Cevallos from Philadelphia. So it's good to see both of you. Let's just begin with what we just heard from Ed in Texas to sort of juxtapose the prosecution, you know, detail, meticulous, one hour opening statement with this, you know, 2 minutes from Nidal Hasan. Is there any I don't even want to I would say what's the strategy in that, but is there even any strategy, Danny?
[Danny Cevallos, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Well, what's fascinating to me is that the judge usually tells jurors that opening statements and closing statements are not themselves evidence, however, what a unique situation where the actual someone's representing themselves pro se and they stand up and they make an admission. I almost think this is one of those exceptions where this is evidence. He has admitted that he is the shooter. However, I think what we're going to see is a rambling sort of contrived justification that he believes in his mind he had to shoot because he had some greater good that he had to achieve or some form of defense of others. Who knows though? When someone represents themselves pro se, anything can happen.
[Baldwin:] And, Monica, I think not only clearly is he admitting he did this, he had offered to plead guilty. The judge, the prosecution said, no, because they want this jury to ultimately convict him because had they accepted this guilty plea, the death penalty would have been off the table, correct?
[Monica Lindstrom, Criminal Defense Attorney:] That's absolutely right. I think Danny brings up a really good point. When you get to a high level crime like this and the defendant chooses to represent themselves I think it's really a form of arrogance, maybe some narcissism, and they usually have an agenda, some theories they want to put forth. They just want it as a pulpit for them to just say whatever they want to say. And one thing that the judge did in this case is the defendant wanted to try to argue that he was defending others, his brothers over fighting for the Taliban, et cetera, et cetera, and the judge said, I'm not going to let you say that because that is not valid here. You can't use that as a defense. So I think we're going to hear more about his theories and how he feels, not really a defense at all.
[Baldwin:] Danny, how have you ever seen someone in this high profile crime representing him or herself? Has this ever been done before?
[Cevallos:] Yes, actually, it has. I mean, a couple examples. Ted Bundy, I believe, represented himself, but there have been instances where people represent themselves. I mean, Charles Manson certainly spoke for himself many, many, many times during his trial. You see this a lot, they will fire a lot of their private counsel and tried to proceed pro se, but believe me, to proceed pro se the court will not do it willy-nilly. They will ask them 200 times. Are you sure? Are you super duper sure? Before they let someone represent themselves, but ultimately it is a constitutional right to represent yourself pro se.
[Baldwin:] I just appreciate hearing from, you know, Sergeant Lunsford saying I'm ready to look this man in the eye and testify. Monica Lindstrom and Danny Cevallos, thank you. We'll be following this, obviously, in the coming days and continue this conversation. Meantime, let me just give you all the heads up. Any moment now, we are expecting to hear from a family member of those two little boys, the 5 and 7-year-olds who were killed yesterday by a python during their sleepover. They were living above this pet store. Somehow this python escaped, made its way through the ventilation system, fell through the ceiling and then, according to police, strangled them. We're going to take that news conference as soon as we see it live coming up.

[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Now, even as out combat mission ends later this year, I want everybody to know, in this country and across the region, America's commitments to the people of Afghanistan will endure. With our strategic partnership, we'll continue to stand with Afghans as they strengthen their institutions, as they build their economy, as they improve their lives men and women, and boys and girls. I've made it clear that we're prepared to continue cooperating with our Afghan partners on two security missions training and equipping Afghan forces and targeting counterterrorism targets against al Qaeda. And once Afghanistan has sworn in its new president, I'm hopeful we'll sign a bilateral security agreement that lets us move forward. And with that bilateral security agreement, assuming it is signed, we can plan for a limited military presence in Afghanistan beyond 2014. Because after all the sacrifices we've made, we want to preserve the gains that you have helped to win. And we're going to make sure that Afghanistan can never again, ever, be used again to launch an attack against our country. So our combat mission here will come to an end. But our obligations to you and your families have only just begun. The al Qaeda leadership may be on the ropes, but in other regions of the world al Qaeda affiliates are evolving and pose a serious threat. We're going to have to stay strong and we're going to have to stay vigilant. And fortunately, we've got the best-led, best-trained, best-equipped military in human history.
[Candy Crowley, Cnn Anchor:] The president of the United States on this Memorial Day weekend at the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. He said he came to say thank you for your extraordinary service. Certainly something well-received.
[Obama:] Now, I'm going to shake every single hand in here, although I may not be able to take a selfie with everybody. But I'll shake every hand. All right? It may take a little time, so be patient.
[Crowley:] The president of the United States promising to shake the hand of everybody there. It may take him some time but we're pretty sure he'll be back in the United States for the Memorial Day services. He is in Bagram he said to thank these troops for their extraordinary service, actually to thank a generation, he went on to say. This was clearly an entry and exit speech. He harkened back to 911, having visited the museum on that site, the beginning of American involvement in Afghanistan, certainly the rationale for it. This was a war that this president always said he thought was the right war. His criticism was always left to the war in Iraq. Now, it is up to him, at the end of this year, we expect combat troops all U.S. combat troops to be out as the U.S. hands over defense of the court to Afghan forces, both military and police. The president talked about decimated leadership of Afghan I'm sorry, the Taliban in the mountains. He talked about, again, especially in light of the scandals of the V.A., the U.S. obligation to take care of the veterans when they become veterans on their way home. I want to bring in Adam Schiff, congressman from California. He also is a member of the intelligence committee and just recently appointed by Democrats to sit on the select committee for Benghazi. Thanks for being here. Let me start here with this appearance. There is a full circle feel to the president's speech today.
[Rep. Adam Schiff , California:] There really was. As you pointed out, he talked very provocatively about the events of 911 that got us into the events of Afghanistan. He talked about bringing a combat mission to an end. But I think he also laid out in part the case where some continued presence there, the necessity to maintain the counterterrorism operation and part of having an intelligence presence there means having the security of the troops to protect that intelligence presence. I think that's going to drive a lot of what we do in the future but I think he's also there in part not only to thank the troops but to celebrate that first round of an election, as he said, the first democratic authority in the country's history. We're seeing some pivotal events going on in Afghanistan right now.
[Schiff:] Well, you know, I think it's two different questions when you ask about the Afghan police and troops. I was just in Afghanistan myself about two weeks ago meeting with General Dunford. And the Afghan troops themselves I think are very battle ready. They are dedicated fighters. I've been told in prior troops, the problem with Afghans is not having to push them into the fight but having to hold them back. The bigger challenge militarily is going to be logistics. This isn't the most talked about part of a war strategy. Just the logistics of keeping the forces maintained with equipment, material, making sure that they have the bullets in the right place, those things that are commonsense to us but battles are won and lost on logistics. And that may be what we need to do to help them once we drawdown our troops. There's a major problem with corruption and I don't see that being fixed any time soon. That may be the biggest challenge that the government faces and that is, can they do something to deal with a corruption problem because nothing yet has moved forward on that front.
[Crowley:] As you know, no deal was made with Iraq when we left. So, everybody came out. No residual force there to assist or train. Do you see the lack of any kind of agreement with the new president, whoever it turns out to be, would be disastrous for the progress that Afghanistan has made?
[Schiff:] Well, I think that if there's no new agreement and if we go to what is called the zero option overnight, then it's very possible that the government just collapses and you have an Iraq-like situation or even worse, you might have a Syria-like situation a year or two down the road. But even if we stay, there's no guarantee of success. And if you look at Iraq, you know, a lot of the blame is being place on the fact that we didn't get this security agreement that allowed us to have a presence. But even in the absence of an ongoing presence in Iraq, Iraq's current trajectory wasn't inevitable. It was a result of a lot of mistakes made by Maliki in basically sidelining the Sunni population, and giving growth space to al Qaeda. Even if there's no guarantee of success in Afghanistan, the new government is going to have to deal with a corruption problem. They are going to have to give the Afghan people confidence in the government itself and we can't do that for them.
[Crowley:] But no question in your mind that this is it, the U.S. is getting out, we don't get a forces agreement in the end of
[U.s. -- Schiff:] If we don't get an agreement that would protect our troops, then we're out.
[Crowley:] Legal agreement
[Schiff:] And but I think under any circumstances, our combat troops are out by the end of the year.
[Crowley:] Congressman, before we go, I want to talk to you about this hellacious shooting and stabbing actually in California. It is not your district, but it's California. And, you know, looking at it, we're already seeing one of the fathers came out and it would break your heart, saying this is about the NRA and sleazy politicians, he didn't use that word, but it was very tough on politicians. Is there any way to avoid these kinds of conversations that you know, guns, but let's talk about mental health? Nothing ever seems to happen after these things.
[Schiff:] It is it's just a horrendous incident that took place. You're heart goes out to everyone affected, including this mentally ill person. And we see time and time again, you have this overlap of mental health problems and too easy access to guns. And I was asking myself just today in hearing these stories about this beautiful where my wife went to school, what does it take what does it take to get the congress, the government moving? You would think after something as serious as Newtown, we would not need anything to get motivated. We are taking steps to deal with the mental health issues but obviously we've made very little progress and it shows in these tragedies.
[Crowley:] And it is after each one, baby steps are not enough, are they?
[Schiff:] No, they're not. You have the impression of the fabric of the country being torn a bit each time there's a tragedy like this. And we have a responsibility to try to mend that, fabric in our country, and that means much more comprehensive mental health and it means reduce access to firearms by people who are very sick.
[Crowley:] Congressman Adam Schiff, thank you for coming by and talking to us about these big stories today. What you all are seeing on the right hand side of your screen is the president is shaking the hand of everyone at Bagram Air Force Base before he gets on Air Force One and returns to Washington. I am going to toss it to Atlanta where Fredricka Whitfield is going to pick this up. So, carry on, Fred, I think the president is going to be there a little while.
[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] I think so. I love that he said I'm going to take the time to shake everyone's hand but I may not have the time to do a selfie with everyone. So, we see that there is certainly going to be, you know, some very memorable moments made there at Bagram Air Field with a surprise by the president here and, you know, troops have always said, you know, whenever there is this kind of surprise visit by the president, it's a great morale booster. Candy, you're going to stick around. We're going to talk about more about what this means and what meaning this may have, not just for troops those who are getting this visit but, you know, the bigger picture as this administration is still being questioned about its handling of the V.A. and those various investigations moving forward. So, on this eve of Memorial Day, the president making a surprise visit to the troops in Afghanistan at Bagram Air Field. He landed at the Air Force, along with national security adviser Susan Rice and senior adviser John Podesta. The president also brought along a surprise guest for many there, country music star Brad Paisley, who did give a convert there for some 32,000 troops and, of course, we just heard from the president who spoke moments ago.
[Obama:] And once Afghanistan has sworn in its new president, I'm hopeful that we can sign a bilateral security agreement that lets us move forward, and with that bilateral security agreement, assuming it is sign we can plan for a limited military presence in Afghanistan beyond 2014, because after all the sacrifices we've made, we want to preserve the gains that you have helped to win. And we're going to make sure that Afghanistan can never again ever be used again to launch an attack against our country.
[Whitfield:] So, this is the president's fourth trip to Afghanistan and this trip coming on this Memorial Day weekend. Also, coming just a few days before the president has committed to laying out his foreign policy agenda and it also comes at a time where Afghanistan's second round of presidential elections is just right around the corner, June 14th. So, let's begin our coverage with Michelle Kosinski at the White House, Barbara Starr at the Pentagon, and Candy Crowley there in Washington. So, Michelle, let me begin with you. This was a troop that had been in the works the plans have been in the works for some time now but why now this weekend?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Yes, for about two months, the National Security Council said that they have been looking for a window of time that would be safe, appropriate and wouldn't interfere too much with the Afghan election, because we know that that country's future is also in a sense tied to U.S. foreign policy, in terms of what kind of role the U.S. would have. So, the National Security Council deputy adviser said that the president didn't want to meet with the presidential candidates or the outgoing president, even though they had spoken recently, because he didn't want to be seen as influencing that, that he didn't want to get involved in the politics of the country but wanted to thank the troops. I thought what was interesting is he got this huge cheer when he said to the soldiers there, "For many of you, this will be your last tour of duty here," but he got even bigger cheers when he said, "Very soon, our combat mission will be over and we're going to be bringing it to a responsible end." He did say, though, that he did hope for a bilateral security agreement, which both of the presidential candidates in Afghanistan, in this runoff election has said that they are amenable to. He said, "Let's preserve the gains that you," speaking to the soldiers, "that you have made. And he listed those gains. So far what we haven't heard is when a decision will be made as to what kind of force the U.S. will keep there and what exactly the scope of it will be 5,000 troops, 10,000 troops. The president didn't get into details. His advisers aren't getting into those details, but they have said that those decisions will be made very soon and the president wanted to meet with troops face-to-face before that happened, Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] And, Barbara Starr at the Pentagon, help us understand how meaningful, how important this is for the troops in particular there on the ground, when the commander in chief just kind of parachutes in, so to speak, surprising them and giving these a word of encouragement and then laying out briefly plans ahead whether for this country or for the U.S. continuing commitment to the vets.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, I don't think it can be any more important for the troops. You know, these young troops, many of them on multiple tours of duty, spending months, years away from home, their families spending so much time apart from them and on Memorial Day, it's such an opportunity to for everyone to pause and remember the sacrifices that are made. But at this time, on this Memorial Day, we are now really just a few months away from potentially the duty of the 911 generation really wrapping up by the end of the year, in fact, the combat mission will be over in the Afghanistan one way or the other. The troops that will be left if there is a security agreement will be conducting training and advising Afghan forces and there will be plenty of discussion of whether the Afghans are up to it or whether the Afghans can really maintain security control over their country, whether the Taliban and al Qaeda can get back into Afghanistan and get a toe hold. But I think what the president was doing today, is what we've talked about so much now11 generation that began that service on that warning and now, some 13 years later or so, really, it's beginning to wrap. And as Michelle was saying, he got huge applause talking about bringing it to responsible end. He also got huge applause when he talked about the need for American employers to hire a vet, hire a vet, hire a vet. That's what the president said. The troops responding to that, they know that they are on their way home. These young troops they need jobs, they need homes, they need, you know, the economic support the big road ahead, the long- term perhaps for them now really starts Fred.
[Whitfield:] And, Candy Crowley, host of "STATE OF THE UNION," with a major foreign policy speech coming up to be carried by the president this week, does this is there a more perfect way to kind of set the stage, prompt him for his message by being at Bagram Air Fields?
[Crowley:] Of course not. And the fact is, obviously, the White House doesn't like the idea that somehow he did this to take everybody's mind off the V.A. scandal. Having said that, let's face it, it leads into a week where he will give a speech at West Point. And let's just push to remember that West Point is where the president announced the surge in Afghanistan, to try to bring things under control. Now, he is back in Afghanistan, talking about the end. This was clearly an exit speech. This was clearly, we're winding this down, here's our successes, here's why we went. I think it just flows very naturally into the president's speech at West Point.
[Whitfield:] All right. We're going to talk about more about that message and the possibility of, you know, the influence from that foreign policy speech later on this week. We're going to be joined also after a short break by a representative, Buck McKeon, who chairs the House Armed Services Committee. Thanks so much, Candy, Michelle, and Barbara. We'll check back in with you again. Live pictures right now of the president of the United States in a surprise visit, at least surprise, to the most of the world and to those there the U.S. troops at Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan this holiday weekend. We'll be right back.

[Donald Sterling, Owner, Los Angeles Clippers:] Am I entitled to one mistake? After 35 years? I mean, I love my league. I love my partners. Am I entitled to one mistake? It's a terrible mistake. I'll never do it again.
[Anderson Cooper, Host, A.c. 360:] The vice president of the NBA players association, Roger Mason, he said players won't accept anyone in Sterling family owning the Clippers, not you, not your wife, not your son-in-law, not your daughter. Do you believe that?
[Sterling:] I really don't know. People that are going to decide my fate, I think, are not the media and not the players union but the
[Nba. Cooper:] The owners?
[Sterling:] Pardon me?
[Cooper:] The owners?
[Sterling:] The owners. If the owners feel I deserve another chance, then they'll give it to me.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] That's Donald Sterling talking exclusively to Anderson Cooper. Anderson said that Sterling broke into tears a few times during this interview. You'll hear Sterling says how sorry he is, what a terrible nightmare this is, how he was set up. He says he's not a racist.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] But he's not the only one to have a word. His estranged wife, Shelly, is speaking out. She says she doesn't think he's a racist either but that he may be in early stages of dementia. She spoke to Barbara Walters about how she's fighting to keep her half of the team.
[Barbara Walters, Co-host, The View:] Mrs. Sterling, you own 50 percent of the L.A. Clippers. The NBA may insist that the team be sold. What would you do then?
[Shelly Sterling, Wife Of Donald Sterling:] Well, I'm fighting for my 50 percent.
[Walters:] There are reports the NBA wants to oust you completely as a team owner. You will fight that decision?
[Shelly Sterling:] I will fight that decision.
[Walters:] What does the team mean to you?
[Shelly Sterling:] It means a lot. I've been with the team for 33 years, through the good times and the bad times. And it's my passion. I love it.
[Walters:] Do you support the NBA decision to ban your husband?
[Shelly Sterling:] I can't comment on that. I was shocked by what he said, and I guess whatever their decision is, we have to live with it.
[Walters:] So if your husband is banned, that's something that you would accept?
[Shelly Sterling:] Well, we're estranged.
[Pereira:] Let's break it down with HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson; along with our sports attorney, David Cornwell; and our correspondent in Los Angeles, Ms. Stephanie Elam. David, I want to start with you. Do you think she's really as passionate as she said she is about this team and wants to keep it because of that or is there something else motivating her?
[David Cornwell, Sports Attorney:] I think she's passionate about it now that she faces prospect of losing it. Listen, this discussion about her 50 percent ownership interest, I think it really misses the point. From NBA's perspective, there are 30 owners. If he loses his ownership, everyone that follows him will lose their interest as well. Maybe at some level of compassion for her but at the end of the day she'll go out with Donald Sterling.
[Berman:] Joey, let me ask you this. Shelly Sterling tells Barbara Walters she's been filing for divorce. She's holding up papers. She's serious about it. She says her lawyers told her not to get divorced right now for some reason. What's going on here?
[Joey Jackson, Hln Legal Analyst:] The reality is that she may be passionate about her ownership interest in everything else and she could. There's been discussions also about whether she should be held accountable for his sins, et cetera, et cetera. The reality is that at the end of the day whether they get divorced or don't is a side show. The issue is how is this particular thing what he said going to impair Sterling's ability to own and operate the team? Yes it is. The NBA will remove him. I would also suspect when they remove him, he's done that she'll have no dealings with the team either. A divorce doesn't impact that. Doesn't hold it up. If she decides not to or gets a divorce has anything to do with ultimately what will happen here and that is her disassociation as well as his disassociation from moving forward with the Clippers.
[Pereira:] Stephanie Elam in L.A., I want to bring in the focus on Magic Johnson. He's saying, Magic, that if anyone with a name Sterling owns the team, the Clippers won't play for the team. It also seems like if that's the case, there's no way the league would want to continue with the ownership. He's poisoned the well for his family by doing all of this, hasn't he?
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] You've got the NBA, which is a business at the end of the day. If there's a Sterling ownership that's causing a problem for fans, for players and more importantly for sponsors, that's an issue for the NBA. That's what they are looking at as a whole right now. I'm not really sure why Magic Johnson is so on Donald Sterling's mind. This is the third recording this time with Anderson Cooper that he's brought Magic up. He doesn't know what he's done for minorities. I don't know if that implies he hasn't done anything. I don't know if that implies he's done a lot himself, Mr. Sterling, I don't know what that has to do with this issue, although I would point out that Magic has done a lot of business dealings that impacted a lot of minorities. That is also very interesting here. Why he's bringing him up again. And he also said he talked twice to Magic and then Anderson asked about those recordings and he said that the only person he talked to was Magic. Is he implying that Magic released the tapes? It's weird and odd how many times he's brought him up.
[Berman:] And combustible, too. One last question, David. There are people suggesting that timing of these two interviews, Donald Sterling's interview with Anderson and Shelly's interview with Barbara Walters is not coincidental. They may be estranged as she claims but maybe not as estranged as they like us to think.
[Cornwell:] I agree. It's highly unlikely that someone who is advising ms. Sterling isn't also talking to someone who is advising Donald Sterling and it may be very well that the two of them are speaking to each other. Just a couple weeks ago we saw them leaving a restaurant together. Listen, you know, this is a lot of I think a lot to do about nothing. At the end of the day, the NBA has the ability to self- govern itself through dispute resolution procedures for arbitration in front of the commissioner. I don't think this is going to spend a lot of time in the courts at all. Donald Sterling will be out and so will she.
[Berman:] David Cornwell, Joey Jackson, Stephanie Elam, great to have you with us talking about this again. Remember, the full interview with Donald Sterling airs on "A.C. 360" tonight at 8:00. This will be controversial.
[Pereira:] Ahead @ THIS HOUR, a new report on the search for flight 370 says two pings heard last month were likely not from the plane. We'll have the latest as the "Ocean Shield" heads back into the Indian Ocean again today.

[Jim Clancy:] Tonight, the great Brussels Backlash. Voters telling EU leaders they are sick and tired of the status quo. From chief executive to commander-in-chief. Ukraine turns a billionaire president. And drone is where the heart is. How unmanned aircraft can whisk you away on a virtual vacation. I'm Jim Clancy, and this is Clancy means business no, it's actually QUEST MEANS BUSINESS, but Richard is on assignment. Good evening everyone. Tonight, disgruntled Europeans have sent a message to Brussels. Voters across the EU moved to the political fringes to tell their leaders they want a dramatic overhaul of the single currency and the single market. The victors have claimed a mandate for government from within their countries.
[Alexis Tsipras, Syriza Part Leader:] The message must be received that there's a reason why euro skepticism exists. We must build a better Europe in order to deal with such euro skepticism. National elections must be called in a calm and organized manner as soon as possible.
[Clancy:] National politics in each country playing a leading role in these elections. In Greece, a revolt against bailout imposed austerity measures gave the far-left Syriza Party a lead over the country's two major parties. Greece has been in recession for six years, now. It has the highest level of unemployment in the entire eurozone. As Greece moved to the left, the UK and France lurched to the right. In Britain, the UK Independence Party took the greatest share of the vote. A poll conducted before the election showed UKIP voters want Britain to leave the EU and reduce immigration. They also express dissatisfaction with the major parties. Meantime in France, voters for Marine Le Pen's National Front Party also said they were unhappy with the country's traditional parties. The National Front wants France to leave the eurozone and impose new limits on immigration as well. Although centrist parties still command an overall majority, European leaders are worried about the shrinking center.
[Angela Merkel, Chancellor Of Germany:] Regarding the success of the populists and the far right, it's remarkable and regrettable, but we need to win back the voters, and that's also true for France. I believe that a path directed at competition, growth, and jobs, is the best answer to the disappointed voters who cast their ballots the way we all did not wish for.
[Clancy:] All right, let's get some perspective now. Karel Lannoo, the chief executive of the Centre for European Policy Studies, he joins us tonight from Brussels. How does Brussels react to this? Do they react?
[Karel Lannoo, Ceo, Centre For European Policy Studies:] Good evening.
[Clancy:] How does Brussels react?
[Lannoo:] It's important to say, tomorrow night we have the leaders, which will meet here. No, it's too early to say. But what I heard was a lot of concern, of course, at this stage, because we have about one in every seven members of the European parliament which is coming from a europhobe or a euro skeptic party. And of course, there is concern what impact this will have. But of course, it's early. It's only one day after elections, and tomorrow night, the leaders will meet here to elect or to discuss a possible next Commission president. And the big question is, how will they take into account this result? On the one hand, let's say they have said people take the leader from the largest party in the European parliament to eventually become the head of the European Commission, but this is not entirely sure, because the main parties' support have come down. Whereas, of course, as you heard, the euro skeptic parties have increased. So, probably, they have to do, as you were saying, much more than only discuss the election of a next Commission president, they have to think about an overhaul about the way in which Brussels is being run.
[Clancy:] It's not only about the direction, it's about the message as well. It has already been said by President Hollande, for instance, that we're going to make jobs, we're going to make growth a priority. But they've been saying that for how long now? Do the voters still believe them?
[Lannoo:] Exactly. Exactly. Hollande has been saying this two years ago before he was elected, and he was elected on a kind of a pact for growth. But he didn't do too much about this. On the contrary, you see the new incoming prime minister of France going for, again, another form of austerity in France. And we don't see, for example, the French economy reacting positively to that. Apparently, we still need to find, really, the recipe to overcome this crisis, at least in a few European countries.
[Clancy:] I'm going to ask you to look into your crystal ball a little bit here, Karel. How do these fringe parties across Europe, from the left and from the right, the euro skeptics, how do they play their cards during all of the controversial issues that are going to come up? What does this mean for the European parliament?
[Lannoo:] Difficult to say, again, because the main thing is will these euro skeptic groups become a fraction in European party? But if you look at them, they represent fairly different agendas. If you compare UKIP from the Front National, to the PVV in the Netherlands or to the Danish Folkeparti, or if you compare it to the extreme lift, as you were mentioning, in Greece, they all are elected on a somewhat different ticket. So, the question whether they will be capable to exercising some force on the European agenda will depend on the degree to which they will hang together. However, we have seen and it has been widely in the media, Nigel Farage, when he was already for UKIP the last five years in European parliament, making a lot of use of seat in the European parliament to make publicity against Europe, and to use it to come out with all forms of slogans on whatever political leader, whatever European policy. So, it shouldn't be underestimated even if they were not capable to organize themselves, the damage they could do to Europe and to further undermine the European project. However, this could then lead to a reaction from the main parties to strengthen themselves and to kind of get out with a better European agenda and to do, probably, something about this growth agenda, which Europe desperately needs. But
[Clancy:] It
[Lannoo:] the thing is, what has been surprising, according to me, in this election campaign before the European elections is that there was only in campaign against Europe. There was very little of a campaign in favor of Europe.
[Clancy:] Interesting times lie straight ahead. Karel Lannoo, I want to thank you very much for being with us and lending your expertise. Meantime, stocks in Europe closing a bit higher as investors reacted to these elections in the EU and in Ukraine. In Frankfurt, the Xetra DAX hit a record high, helped by Daimler and BMW shares. Shares in Milan boosted by a rise in Italian bank stocks. Exchanges in New York and London closed this day. Meantime in France, the question isn't whether the election victors want to stay in the EU, it's whether they want to abolish it altogether. Voters in France have been shocked by the strong support for the National Front. They are now very divided on what it means for the European project as a whole.
[Unidentified Male:] I think it's more a vote of revolt on behalf of the French, and that's a pity, because people do not necessarily measure the consequences of what that can have. We must be able to have a system of federations, states that are united, and one day go towards what the US did. There's no European project anymore, which is clearly explained to the Europeans. People retreat into themselves and no longer think clearly because they do not understand what Europe is. Nothing will change yesterday's elections. It's not a disaster. But it is a message that regardless, European leaders will now have to take into account.
[Clancy:] And joining me now from Paris, Christian Malard, an international diplomatic consultant. Christian, good evening to you. What do the voters
[Christian Malard, International Diplomatic Consultant:] Good evening, Jim.
[Clancy:] What message did the voters send to President Hollande?
[Malard:] Well, we have two messages, Jim, here. First, I think when they voted better than expected for Madame Le Pen and the extreme right Front National, I think the French had two messages. One for Europe, because they are a bit afraid or a bit fed up, too, with what they call heavy bureaucracy, technocracy in Brussels. But the main message which has been sent, conveyed, has been to President Hollande. Two months after a disaster already in the last regional and municipal elections, they delivered another same kind of message to him and saying we don't trust your politics, you need to change drastically your economic policy to have unemployment the rate of unemployment slow down. We need to create jobs in this country. This is the key message. Mr. Hollande has been promising, making a lot of promises. He has never been held. And tonight, on television, when the French listened to him saying we need to reform Europe, we need to reorient Europe, and I think the French people who voted for Madame Le Pen are among whom many employees 43 percent of the workers in France voted for the extreme right. It's just amazing. Tonight, the message is, instead of reforming Europe or reorienting Europe, Mr. President, first you should reform yourself, reorient yourself, reorient your government. This is the kind of message people would address him, would send him tonight after what they have listened to him on television.
[Clancy:] Is there really a belief, Christian, that jettisoning the EU is somehow going to jettison France's economic woes?
[Malard:] Well, the problem is we have never explained what about Europe properly in this country. There was no interest, really, in Europe. And when you have Madame Le Pen trying to make her electorate believe that we could get out of the euro currency system, I think it's a tragic joke. I think we cannot believe that. And some people think we should get out of Europe, but I think our future is still in Europe, and the French have to bear that in mind. Madame Le Pen has promised a lot of things also, but she is not the one who has the key or the solutions to our main problem. So, France right now has no good power, no good president, no good government. The right-wing traditional government, which is the UMP, is entangled in big political financial scandals, and Madame Le Pen is promising the moon, and she will never be able to deliver the moon.
[Clancy:] Christian Malard, laying it on the line, live from Paris tonight. Christian, as always, great to have you with us. And coming up straight ahead
[Malard:] Thank you.
[Clancy:] Ukrainians speaking out. The country has voted a new president into office. We're going to have a look at what lies ahead as the nation tries tries to move forward.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Seven o'clock here in the East. Still feels a little early, doesn't it, for a weekend morning. But just grab your robe and your coffee and sit back and relax. We'll get you educated on what's happening today. I'm Christi Paul.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] We've got it all. I'm Victor Blackwell. Now, 7:00, this is NEW DAY Saturday. And we've got a lot coming up this morning.
[Paul:] Yes, we do. We're going to talk about Arizona, because that, of course, is one of the big issues that a lot of people are they have opinions about. We want to get them all in. But we do want to begin with some live pictures from Ukraine right now because they've been going through incredible upheaval.
[Blackwell:] This morning, our correspondents on the ground in Kiev tell us that the streets are calm but look at what's been happening overnight. You hear the cheering there from the protesters as they yanked down the statues of the Soviet Union's Vladimir Lenin in cities all across the Ukraine. They couldn't make it any clearer how much they despise closer ties with Russia. These images are now. Look at these.
[Paul:] I know, you can't help but think of these images, too. These would be coming up from nearly a quarter century ago from 1990. Statues fell all across Eastern Europe as the Soviet Union collapsed, signaling a revolution. So, in the midst of this very tense situation in Ukraine, remember, there is a peace deal that's been brokered. But, of course, dozens of people were killed prior to that happening.
[Blackwell:] Yes, but now, we're hearing that Ukraine's president has left the presidential palace in Ukrainian capital Kiev. Let's get the latest from CNN's Phil Black. He's in Kiev. Phil, is there any word on where President Viktor Yanukovych is? Who is at the presidential palace? Are the opposition supporters there at the palace?
[Phil Black, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yes. So, we believe that the president has left Kiev. The word from U.S. State Department, an official there, as well as members of opposition here in Kiev, they believe that he's headed to the east of the country, probably a city called
[Paul:] OK. So let's talk about this peace deal for a minute. It was brokered yesterday, we know. And we know it sharply cuts the president's powers. Obviously, we see from the protesters, that's not enough. They don't want it to end in 2014 at the end of this year in December. They want it to end by May with a special election. What besides that, what else are they fighting for? Help us understand this.
[Black:] Certainly. So the opposition did very well out of this agreement in the sense they got three key demands. Firstly, the formation of a national government, including members of all political parties to try and return the country's stability, a change in powers removed from the president and given back to the parliament and then eventually new presidential elections. So, the people of Ukraine can have the Democratic say in terms of who will lead them and what direction that person will take the country. They've got all three things. What they want is for those things to happen as fast as possible. Not later this year. That's why there are still people in the square. They're determined and distrustful that the government will follow the agreement. They don't want to take that long. They want maintain the pressure. That's what opposition politicians are doing in the parliamentary chamber today.
[Blackwell:] All right. Let's see if the calm continues there on the streets of Kiev. Phil Black, thank you so much.
[Paul:] And, of course, as both sides in Ukraine agree to a deal, President Obama picked up the phone and he called Russian President Vladimir Putin because they needed to discuss the situation, of course.
[Blackwell:] Yes. CNN's foreign affairs reporter Elise Labott is live in Washington for us. Elise, good morning.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Foreign Affairs Reporter:] Good morning.
[Blackwell:] And how did that conversation go?
[Labott:] Well, officials, no surprise, Victor and Christi, are describing it as a constructive type of conversation. You know over the last several weeks, there's been a lot of tension on Ukraine. Now, the White House is saying a statement from the White House saying on Ukraine, leaders exchange views on the need to quickly implement the critical agreement reached today in Kiev, the importance of stabilizing the economic station and undertaking necessary reforms and all the needs for all sides to refrain from further violence. If you look at the statement that came out from the Kremlin, President Putin saying that the president expressed need to take immediate measures to stabilize the situation, emphasizing the importance of working with the radical opposition which led to the confrontation in Ukraine to a very dangerous point. And so, Christi and Victor, this just shows how both sides see this problem from two different angles. Obviously, the U.S. and Europe are on the side of the protesters and the side of those who want to move closer to the West. While President Putin is looking at these protesters as so-called terrorists, saying that they're the ones that have started the problem.
[Paul:] All righty. CNN foreign affairs reporter Elise Labott, thank you for walking us through that. Appreciate it.
[Blackwell:] Let's stay there in the region now and go to the Olympics.
[Paul:] U.S., Russia they're tied tied for the lead in the medal count, people.
[Blackwell:] Yes, Russia's Vic Wild just won a gold medal, giving the host country 27 medals total, same as the U.S. now.
[Paul:] So, Norway, also, we understand picked up three medals today. It's in third with 25. Canada has 24 medals. And the Netherlands and Germany round out the top six. You want to know the worst part, Vic Wild who competes for Russia was born and raised in America.
[Blackwell:] Yes, but he is winning the gold for Russia. Two at these games actually. CNN's Amanda Davies covering the games there in Sochi. So, I mean, he might be a villain here in the states but Vic Wild is now a Russian hero I'd imagine.
[Amanda Davies, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, that man, Vic Wild, has done it again. I thought you might have glossed over that medal table quite quickly given what happened since I spoke to you an hour ago. It is now the case that Russia are now level with the USA in terms of medals, but they have that one more gold. This is Vic Wild who was born and raised in America. And the U.S. snowboarding authority might well be ruing their decision to cut that funding from the parallel slalom, because that is what helped push Vic Wild's into the arms of Russia. That, of course, and the fact that he fell in love to his now wife Alena Zavarzina and that helped him moved over here in 2012, and he's now representing Russia, standing on the top of the podium for Russia as a two-time Olympic gold medalist. He added the parallel slalom gold to the giant parallel slalom gold that he won earlier in the week. And you'd think the Russians will be holding a big party for that partnership when this games is over.
[Paul:] Let's be honest, we do have a new American hero, right, a skier who has made history?
[Davies:] Yes, 18-year-old Mikaela Shiffrin, her mother admitted she nearly had a heart attack when her daughter was going down her second run late last night under the flood lights. She had a bit of a stumble, looked as if she was going to lose the gold medal. But she pulled it back. Mikaela Shiffrin said she was channeling what she'd seen from the figure skaters the night before, picking themselves up and carrying on. And now, 18-year-old Mikaela Shiffrin is the youngest ever of an Olympic slalom medal. Before she's even reached 19, she's won everything she could possibly win. She's an Olympic gold medalist, a world champion and she's won the World Cup. So, definitely a star has been born. Would you think she will go on and win more and more golds.
[Blackwell:] I love the video of dad. He's so excited. He can't even take the pictures. He has the camera. He just can't press the button.
[Paul:] That's OK. There will be plenty of pictures.
[Blackwell:] Certainly well. Amanda Davis in Sochi for us, thanks. You know, this story, the way it's developed over the past few days really is disheartening. On NEW DAY coming up in a few moments, Ole Miss back in the spot light after two different racially charged incidents on campus now.
[Paul:] Up next, why the FBI is getting involved. And why so many people are asking if the university has a bigger problem here. Up next, why the FBI is getting involved. And why so many people are asking if the university has a bigger problem here.

[Anderson:] Welcome back. 14 minutes past 8:00 here. A look at some of the other stories that we are following for you tonight. A plane crash in southern Laos has killed as many as 47 people. Witnesses and the national news services are reporting the crash of a Lao Airlines turbo prop plane which happened at Champasak Province. Witnesses report bad weather in the area. Remnants of a typhoon has still been hitting that region. Well, in Japan at least 17 people have been killed as Typhoon Wipha pummeled the Tokyo area on Wednesday. The island of Oshima just south of the capital has been hardest hit with heavy rain triggering flooding and landslides. Rescuers were unable to reach some people, because of road closers. More than 500 domestic and international flights have been canceled at Tokyo's two major airports. Meanwhile, the death toll from a powerful earthquake in the Philippines continues to rise. Authorities say 144 people died and almost 300 others were injured when the 7.1 magnitude quake struck on Tuesday. The epicenter was located near a town in central Bohol province. Well, a two-day round of negotiations between Iran and six world powers has wrapped up in the Swiss city of Geneva. Reports suggest Iran is willing to scale back its nuclear activity and allow greater inspection of its nuclear sites in exchange for a deal to win relief from harsh economic sanctions. Now the two sides have agreed to meet again for another round of talks on November 7. I want to get you the very latest from CNN's chief U.S. security correspondent Jim Sciutto. He's in Geneva for you. And Jim, we've seen Iran meet with the P5+1 many times over the last few years. This time it actually seems to be a sense of progress. What's new?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I've been to a number of those talks over the last several years and these really are talks between the west and Iran unlike any we've seen really in recent memory. But I think it's important to get a sense of what they've achieved here and what they haven't yet. Certainly on the good side, we heard from a senior U.S. official involved in the talks here that the U.S. and the European side are seeing a candor, a directness and an intensity of negotiations and details from the Iranian side they've never seen before as Iran has presented this proposal. And from the Iranian side you hears something similar saying that they feel that this can really be a point where you change the very nature of Iran's relationship with the U.S. and the west. But what is lacking so far, what needs to come as these meetings continue in the next several weeks is considerable more detail from the Iranian side about how they're going to reign in their nuclear program, also senior U.S. official telling us that there's still a big gap on how quickly and how much the west would easy these economic sanctions on Iran. And that's one of the key disagreements here. Iran wants those sanctions to be eased as its reigning in its program, the west standing by its position that they want to see confidence building measures from the Iranians first. So these are the things that have to be worked out in the next couple of weeks, but the importance is they are talking. In fact, those talks are going to continue, because the experts are going to be staying here in Geneva working out and working on some of these details that still need to be filled in to this proposal.
[Anderson:] All right, Jim. Jim is in Geneva. Interesting stuff. Lacking substance, I think is the headline message at present. But as he says these talks continue and at least the signs this time are positive. Jim Sciutto there in Geneva. Well, opposition activists say at least 21 people have been killed after an explosion struck a minibus in the southern Syrian city of Daraa, including four kids. The bus probably hit a landmine as it passed through an area controlled by troops loyal to the government. Now government officials have not yet responded to the allegations. Well, staying in Syria, there are growing pleas for help. Many Syrians struggling just to get in enough to eat. Things are so bad. That was all religious edicts have reported being issued that would allow hungry citizens to eat dogs and cats despite Islamic dietary laws forbidding that. Our Hala Gorani reports there was no respite from the crisis even as Muslims marked the Eid holiday.
[Hala Gorani, Cnn International Correspondent:] It is one of the most important days of the year for Muslims, but in Syria this year, like last, there is nothing to celebrate. At the Atmeh refugee camp in northern Syria, refugees set up improvised vendor stands, but few people can afford to shop at them.
[Unidentified Female:] Before the crisis during Eid we used to go to shops and buy items. We were happy. Eid was a wonderful holiday here. Now these days I can't even buy my boy a pair of trousers or shoes or even a loaf of bread. I have eight children. I can't support them all. We are living in despair.
[Gorani:] Most people here are struggling to meet the most basic of needs: food, water and shelter. Celebrating a holiday just isn't an option.
[Unidentified Female:] We are not celebrating Eid. We have nothing for Eid. We have nothing to celebrate. We used to celebrate with food, drink, desserts. We used to make pastries. Now there's nothing.
[Gorani:] In Aleppo, residents are doing their best to mark Eid, praying and preparing for the traditional animal sacrifice for the poor. For them, there is at least one sliver of light from an unknown source.
[Unidentified Male:] These sheep were donated to us. God blessed those who gave them. We slaughter them and then divide them up and give them to the poor and to the families who have relatives on the front line.
[Gorani:] Children ride rickety little Ferris wheels and play in the streets, but use words no child should even know the meaning of.
[Unidentified Male:] Eid today is not good, because of the shelling.
[Gorani:] Trying to play like children everywhere, hoping their lives will be more peaceful this time next year. Hala Gorani, CNN, Atlanta.
[Anderson:] Well, whistleblower Edward Snowden's father, Lon, has spoken to reporters at Moscow's airport. He's Edward Snowden, of course, has been in Russia since revealing that the NSA have been keeping tabs on some of its allies. Now Mr. Snowden said his son is satisfied with his situation, but refused to go into very much detail.
[Lon Snowden, Edward Snowden's Father:] I'm not going to discuss specifics of my son's circumstances for multiple reasons, other than to say, again, that I'm extremely thankful for his attorney Mr. Kucherena, people like Valentina and others who have been supportive of him. He has a very substantial support network that extends across international boundaries. And I am extremely comfortable with his situation.
[Anderson:] Lon Snowden there. Well, meanwhile the journalist who worked with Snowden to break the story on the intelligence leaks is leaving his newspaper. Glenn Greenwald announced that he is quitting The Guardian paper for what he describes as a dream journalistic opportunity. He's not revealed any more details just yet. The founder of the online auction eBay site says he is teaming up with Greenwald for a new media venture. More on that as we get it. This is Connect the World. Coming up, she is the youngest Booker Prize winner of all time. We'll be talking to the person who has been breaking multiple records by winning one of the biggest awards in publishing. And ecstasy for qualifying teams across Europe. We speak to football fanatics hoping to follow their national teams to victory in Brazil in 2014. That, after this.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Now it's time for the national lead. Here's a direct quote: "The evidence will clearly show that I am the shooter" unquote. That's from the mouth of Major Nidal Hasan, giving his own opening statement as his trial for the Fort Hood shooting spree gets under way in Texas. Hasan is charged with killing 13 people and wounding 31 others on that horrible day. Since he's defending himself, Hasan could very well end up cross- examining the very people he's accused of trying to kill. Hasan is a psychiatrist, a man trained to get into people's heads. On November 5, 2009, prosecutors say he walked into a waiting room at the Army base with a semiautomatic pistol and just started firing. For many, it was already too late to react.
[Spc. Logan Burnette, Wounded During Shooting:] Very, very quick reloader on that weapon. He was very swift, very tactical with what he was doing.
[Pvt. George Stratton, Wounded During Shooting:] He'd squeeze off one round and it came through my shoulder and that it actually it hit one of my hit my bone right here.
[Kristopher Craig, Brother Of Victim:] Attacking another soldier, it's just ridiculous. I don't understand it.
[Tapper:] It did not stop until a civilian police officer, Sergeant Kimberly Munley, arrived on the scene and shot Hasan, suffering three gunshot herself. Major Hasan is now in a wheelchair, paralyzed from the waist down. his trial was supposed to have begun 18 months ago, but a series of legal fights delayed it, over everything from Hasan's representation to whether he was allowed to keep his beard for religious reasons. Hasan freely admits carrying out the rampage, but he was not allowed to enter a guilty plea under military law, because prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. The FBI has released e-mails between Hasan and Anwar al-Awlaki, the radical American-born cleric who was who a purported force behind al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Awlaki was taken out in a drone strike in Yemen in 2011. The very first e-mail shows Hasan asking him whether Islamic law would permit the killing of American soldiers. And yet, even with that out there, the Pentagon is not officially calling this a terror attack, preferring the term workplace violence, which makes a serious difference in benefits for survivors and victims' families. I want to bring in former Army Sergeant Howard Ray. He was awarded the Army Commendation Medal for his actions that day at Fort Hood. He was credited for saving the lives of six soldiers and three civilians. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for your service and thank you for your heroics that day, sir. First of all, can you walk us through what you went through that day when you first saw Major Hasan?
[Sgt. Howard Ray , U.s. Army:] Well, at the point that I saw Major Hasan or the shooter at this point, I had gotten a woman out of the building that I was in and we were hiding down behind a car. Someone had yelled at me to look out because he was coming around the corner of the building. And I actually had civilian clothes on that day. And I instinctually swept my shirt back to grab my pistol, only to find that I had left my pistol at home, because it was against the rules to have a concealed weapon on post. And as a result of that, I had to make a quick decision to decide to run to the back side of the parking lot where there was cover. And we ran across the parking lot only to be engaged by the shooter, at a point about halfway between the middle of the parking lot and the rear of the parking lot. And just to be engaged, shot at on a military installation is obviously something you don't go to work to experience but it certainly was a shock. And the thing that was devastating the most for me is that, you know, I had a very clean shot on the individual but was unable to take it
[Tapper:] And you think, sir you think the Army missed warning signs that could have possibly prevented this attack?
[Ray:] Well, absolutely. All the preliminary information, even up to two, three weeks out from the shooting itself nearly four years ago, we I mean, there were so many signs, OER is a report that officers are given for their evaluations were totally missed. I mean, he was subpar, calling out for such things as jihad and that he was a soldier of Allah and things of that nature, and yet what happened is the problem was transferred from the Northeastern United States down here to Texas and unfortunately on November 5th, 2009, that was the day that over 40 people encountered that mistake being sent down here to us instead of getting rid of the threat to begin with.
[Tapper:] Let's talk about the shooting being classified as workplace violence because I know that's an issue that bothers a lot of survivors of the attack. It, of course, seems bizarre on its face that the pentagon would not label this an act of terrorism, but the way that it's been explained to me from the Pentagon is if they were to call it an act of terrorism and award Purple Hearts and so on, they would be handing Hasan a way to claim that there's no way he could get a fair trial because the Pentagon, in a different way, had already decided he was guilty of having committed a terrorist act. Doesn't that make some sense?
[Ray:] Well, it does make a little sense but at the end of the day, it doesn't remove the fact that the shooter at this point has said over and over and over again his intent was to destroy as many people as he could, civilians and U.S. Army personnel and at that point, and indeed, through contacts of terrorist organizations and individuals across the seas, that it was indeed a terrorist attack. We can play semantics and, you know, calling it one thing or not the other, the bottom line is it is terrorism. I don't think it would inhibit him from getting a fair trial. In fact, he's not asking I mean, he's already pled guilty or wanting to plead guilty to the charges that have been attached to him. And the fact is that he can't. So I think there's some oversight and things that need to be looked at because it's victims like myself and others, we deserve answers and we deserve closure to this event. We've had national stories where individuals have been killed and that's, you know, resolved within a year, year and a half. So, here we are struggling nearly almost four years coming on really, it will be but a year and it will be five years and we're just barely starting this process. So, the victims deserve answers and they deserve compensation and other things like that from the government.
[Tapper:] Sir, I have to go now but before I do, you talked about closure. Just very quickly if you would, if he is found quickly, do you think he deserves the death penalty? Do you want him to face that ultimate punishment?
[Ray:] Absolutely. You know, a lot of people will say the death penalty doesn't do anything to deter crime and there's certainly statistics that support that. But the bottom line is that the death penalty is reserved for those who do the most heinous of crimes and they need to pay for their crimes if they do what this individual did by killing 13 men and women. And so, I think that punishment should be reserved for him.
[Tapper:] All right. Retired U.S. Army Sergeant Howard Ray, thank you so much for your time and, again, thank you for your service, sir.
[Ray:] Thank you.
[Tapper:] Coming up, the new battlefield of politics is social media and now, the CEO of Facebook is taking sides in the immigration debate. Will his billions sway Washington? Plus, who literally threw up over Clint Eastwood's duet with an empty chair at the Republican Convention? Stay with us.

[Whitfield:] All right. And now to the controversy surrounding L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling. It is heating up after the woman who recorded his racist comments came to his defense in an interview with ABC's Barbara Walters.
[Barbara Walters, Abc News:] Is Donald Sterling a racist?
[V. Stiviano, Allegedly Girlfriend Of Donald Sterling:] No. I don't believe it in my heart.
[Walters:] Have you heard him say derogatory things about minorities in general? Blacks in particular?
[Stiviano:] Absolutely.
[Walters:] You've heard him say derogatory things?
[Stiviano:] Yes.
[Walters:] Don't they sound racist to you?
[Stiviano:] I think the things he says are not what he feels.
[Whitfield:] Deborah Feyerick is covering the story from New York. So, Deborah, did V. Stiviano give any explanations, you know, for Sterling's comments?
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, she did. And as a matter of fact, what's really interesting about this interview, Barbara Walters says that the two of them had been together yesterday afternoon, so the suggestion is that they are still talking, despite everything that's happened. She said that she's trying to help Sterling, rescue him from himself. But to explain the comments that he made, she says look, Sterling is from a different generation, his parents, to set the record straight, are Jewish immigrants. They came to the United States, he was born in Chicago back in 1934. And she says one of the problems that Sterling had was when she would bring people to the Staples arena, people that were described in her words as gangsters and thugs. And that apparently is what Sterling did not like and he was getting pressure from people around him saying, you know, this was not acceptable.
[Whitfield:] And she also talked about their, you know, relationship, what the status is, whether she's a girlfriend, whether she's associate, a co-worker or what.
[Feyerick:] She described herself as his personal assistant, his confidant, his wing man, his right arm in her words. She said that they met while she was working at his foundation then they developed a different relationship. He was paying her off the books, those are his words, and they did everything together. They traveled together. She kept his records, she kept his, you know, appointments, things like that. That's what she's apparently claiming. And when Barbara Walters asked well, are you in love with him, she said I love him like a father figure, which is very different. She seems to think this was platonic. But Donald Sterling is heard are on the tapes, says, you know, she says to him you are in love with me, but it appears that she was not in love with him. Take a listen.
[Walters:] Can you tell me what your relationship with Donald Sterling is?
[Stiviano:] I'm Mr. Sterling's right hand arm, man. I'm Mr. Sterling everything, his confidant, his best friend, his silly rabbit.
[Walters:] His what?
[Stiviano:] His silly rabbit.
[Walters:] His silly rabbit?
[Stiviano:] Yes.
[Walters:] Is that what he calls you?
[Stiviano:] No. I call myself that.
[Walters:] That's what you I see, OK.
[Stiviano:] I joke around and I make him laugh. I do things that some people find very silly or I do things that sometimes people can't understand our relationship. I'm his everything.
[Feyerick:] That's a pretty bold statement when you parse it, Fredricka, that she's his everything, you know, and that she's his right arm. Whatever you want to call this, it does not appear that it was platonic. Look, his estranged wife in a lawsuit basically says they were having a sexual relationship and that he was lavishing her with expensive gifts. Very interesting, the audiotapes apparently were released according to a friend because V. Stiviano was trying to pressure Sterling to have his wife back down on that very lawsuit. And now I did speak to a friend who said that Stiviano described it as a professional relationship, but that same friend said she also saw a video that clearly portrays them in a very bad light together. They clearly crossed the line. And she said even she was uncomfortable to look at some of the images between the two of them. So it will be interesting to see what else emerges.
[Whitfield:] Yes. It just seems it's a complicated issue and this interview further complicates it. I mean, from her definition of their relationship, the personal relationship, the confidant, to, you know, his language of saying, well, I just don't want you to take pictures with thugs. Well, I mean, code language for black people.
[Feyerick:] Right.
[Whitfield:] I mean, so it doesn't explain anything away. It just makes it messier. And Donald Sterling himself also spoke right, to "Dujour" magazine, and he had a few things to say which I don't think it clarified anything either. Did it?
[Feyerick:] Well, no. It definitely didn't clarify anything. As a matter of fact, what he ends up saying is he ended up saying, you know, I wish I had paid her off. And so that's a whole new level in terms of what was being you know, look, they have been talking, you really do have to wonder what they were talking about because V. Stiviano does not come out as his enemy during this interview with Barbara Walters. She comes out as somebody who is defending him, who's casting him in a more humane light, the fact that he feels isolated. So you've got to wonder. But one thing that was clearly bothering Stiviano was the lawsuit filed by Sterling's wife. So
[Whitfield:] All right.
[Feyerick:] A lot of players involved in this situation Fred.
[Whitfield:] OK. There is more. Deborah Feyerick, thank you so much. All right. So the L.A. Clippers and by the way, there's a game tonight. They want to win, they have to win their game seven tonight before the season comes to an end. But the controversy swirling around the franchise, the owner, Donald Sterling, and the NBA as a whole is far from over. Here to talk about it is former NBA star Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell. Good to see you. He played for the Clippers, helped win two championships as a Boston Celtics player, and is now a Boston Celtics radio analyst. All right. Good to see you. So Donald Sterling has a reputation of being a fighter in the courtroom inside and out. Do you think he will give up his team without a fight, even if the NBA owners, you know, vote unanimously that he needs to sell the team?
[Cedric "cornbread" Maxwell, Former Boston Celtics Player:] No, I don't. I really don't think he's going to really let this team go without a fight, and let me say this, too. If she's my best friend, if she was my confidant, then let me find some more friends because I don't tell a story to somebody and then let it go out another way. The stories kind of turned around going back and forth. Should the issue really shouldn't be on her, but it is about her, too. I think the thing that Donald Sterling has done really has been horrible. The commissioner did it the right way. Banned him for life. Made sure that now he's going to have to sell this basketball club. And how ironic would it be, if in fact a guy like Magic Johnson, bought this team or Oprah bought this team, a prominent black person?
[Whitfield:] Yes. It would indeed be ironic. But V. Stiviano really I mean, she's a component here, but she really has become kind of a distraction because, you know, the root of the problem here is Donald Sterling's recorded sentiment, his behavior, you know, present and perhaps even something that has spanned, you know, for many decades. So in your view, does this case, Donald Sterling's behavior you know, how he's been able to get away with this sentiment for a very long time as a team owner for 30 years, does it kind of soil the NBA in your view in any way?
[Maxwell:] Well, I think one of the things you really look at, talk about what Donald Sterling has done in the past. I think you can go look at the lawsuit that he had with the harassment and the allegations about him not wanting black people to live on his property. Well, he settled that out of court. So a lot of those records were closed and they weren't going to be open any more. I think one of the things you look at with this basketball club now is how do you go further? How does the NBA make this right? Because one thing you're doing, you're appeasing the fans. You have to appease all of the clients and the advertisers, running away in droves. They have to do something. And I think they've done the right thing.
[Whitfield:] You do think they've done the right thing. What do you think he is a litigious person, he's likely to fight this. And if he refuses, you know, to give up the team and if he does make this a legal battle, you know, at what point do you think the I guess the NBA has to change its game on Sterling?
[Maxwell:] Well, I think I think almost immediately because, you know, you would think everybody is applauding it, saying Donald Sterling is done. Well, he has a lot of options right now. He's already a lawyer. He's going to represent part of himself. He is right now fighting for his name. So I don't see him letting this go. I think I talked to the people, and, you know, you talk about a kangaroo court, I talked to my barber in the barbershop the other day. And he was talking about well, what are they going to do, how are they going to get rid of him. Everybody I talk to says the same thing. But this is not going to be an open and closed case. It won't happen like that. Donald Sterling, the guy I know, will drag this out, and drag it out maybe for years with injunctions.
[Whitfield:] And so you are in agreement that this is the proper type of punishment? Because there are a range of punishments for a range of offenses as it pertains to the NBA, as it pertains to players, there may be suspensions. I mean, you yourself even you know, had a misstep by making a sexist remark about a female referee as an analyst. You didn't lose your job. You had to apologize on the air, but there are I guess a range of consequences for different offenses. He is at the top. He is an employer. Do you believe that losing the team, giving up the team, is severe, or is this you know, is this tantamount to his offense?
[Maxwell:] Mark Cuban said it best, the owner of the Mavericks. This is a slippery slope for everybody, not only owners but for players, broadcasters, anybody involved. This is really moved the knob a long way, and all counter sports. Because I think look at it this way. If my conversation, if your conversation, a private conversation was let out, I think everybody right now would be in trouble. Nobody really would have a job, but I think the right thing was done by the NBA in going this far, trying to remove Sterling, making sure that everything was done the right way. But again, the litigations and how this is going to go on, I think it's going to go a long way. It isn't over.
[Whitfield:] All right. Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell, thanks so much. Good to see you from Boston. All right. The hunt for Flight 370 will soon look a lot different. We'll tell you what likely will be involved and the strategy behind this new phase straight ahead.

[Cabrera:] Bottom of the hour on this Sunday. Welcome back, everyone. I'm Ana Cabrera.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. It is a pleasure to have you with us, and the cold spots across the country this morning. So, if you're in one of them, stay in a little while with us. Here are five things you need to know for your NEW DAY. Up first, two inmates who escaped from a Florida prison were arrested last night. They're due in court this morning. Joseph Jenkins and Charles walker were found at a motel in Panama City, Florida. Family members deny helping them escape. Authorities released Jenkins and Walker based on forged documents.
[Cabrera:] Number two, a quick jail stint for the former mayor of San Diego. Bob Filner was booked yesterday morning and released a few hours later. It's really more of a formality related to his plea deal. Filner admitted to a felony and two misdemeanor charges in connection with his behavior with three different women. He also must serve three months of home confinement.
[Blackwell:] Three now, an eighth suspect is now charged in the clash between a swarm of motorcyclists and an SUV driver in New York. You've seen the video. The 7-year-old faces gang assault and other charges. He's not entered a plea. The SUV driver was chased down and beaten after he hit several bikers. And this conflict was caught on a biker's helmet cam.
[Cabrera:] Number four, two public transit workers are dead after they were hit by an out of service train. This is near San Francisco. The Bay Area Rapid Transit Union is on strike, of course, but officials say one of the men who was killed opted to work anyway. The other victim was a contractor. The train that killed them was being run by a computer at the time.
[Blackwell:] Number five, you know when I was a kid I played the flute. I think the flute was 200 bucks. But $1.7 million? That will buy you a violin. It's sold at a British auction. It's not just any violin. It's believed to be the same violin that the Titanic band leader, the Titanic band leader played to calm passengers as the ship sank. William Hartley didn't survive. He was pulled from the Atlantic days later with his violin case strapped to his back.
[Cabrera:] $1.7 million. For today's "Faces of Faith", we're talking about Oprah. Some atheists are demanding an apology from her after her interview with endurance swimmer Diana Nyad.
[Blackwell:] Now Nyad appeared on Oprah's program "Super Soul Sunday" to talk about, of course this, her historic swim from Cuba to Key West. Well, when Nyad described being an atheist, Oprah challenged that.
[Diana Nyad, Long Distance Swimmer:] I can stand at the beach's edge with the most devout Christian, Jew, Buddhist, go on down the line and weep with the beauty of this universe and be moved by all of humanity all the billions of people who lived before us who have loved and hurt.
[Oprah Winfrey, Talk Show:] Yes.
[Nyad:] And suffered to me, my definition of God is humanity and is the love of humanity. And as we return to
[Winfrey:] Well I don't call you an atheist then. I think if you believe in the awe
[Nyad:] Ok.
[Winfrey:] and wonder and the mystery
[Nyad:] Ok.
[Winfrey:] that that is what God is.
[Nyad:] Ok.
[Winfrey:] That is what God is. God is not the bearded guy in the sky.
[Nyad:] It's not bearded. But I guess there is an inference with God that there is a presence. There is either a creator or overseer.
[Cabrera:] So Oprah's response to Diana Nyad insulted some atheists. One group started a campaign against Oprah saying she's got it all wrong and now they want Oprah to invite an atheist onto her show to set the record straight.
[Blackwell:] Joining us to talk about it Chris Stedman he is assistant Humanist Chaplain at Harvard University he's also the author of "Faitheist: How an Atheist Found Common Ground With The Religious." It's good to have you with us.
[Chris Stedman, Author, "faitheist":] Thank you. It's great to be on the show.
[Cabrera:] So, Chris, explain what Oprah is getting wrong here.
[Stedman:] Well, to me this incident underscores the fact there is a lot of misunderstanding about who atheists are and what we believe. You know, what I took away from this conversation between Diana Nyad and Oprah Winfrey is that Oprah essentially erased Diana Nyad's atheist identity. She said I know you identify as an atheist but I don't see you that way because my understanding of what an atheist is this and you claim to be that. Therefore, I don't see you as an atheist. So to me this really underscores the need for more dialogue and understanding about what our differences are. And what was beautiful about what Diana Nyad said, I think, is that she really emphasized the things that we have in common but also maintained her own position as an atheist and I just wish that Oprah had respected her identity and understood better where she and many other atheists are coming from.
[Blackwell:] Chris, I want to read for you and for our viewers a tweet from Diana Nyad. October 13th she tweeted to Oprah at Oprah rather, "The collective respect and awe of all living souls is my definition of God. So God is love in those terms." My question to follow up with from that tweet is how do atheists with the belief that there is no overseer, there is no God reconcile that belief with all the beauty that Diana Nyad just talked about, the seas, the gems, the sunset?
[Stedman:] Sure. Well to me, there's no contradiction there. There's nothing to reconcile. As an atheist, I believe that there is no God. There is no overseer. But to me, that actually increases my awe and my wonder for the natural world. If it wasn't created but rather is here, I still find a lot of a lot of wonder in that. And I can look out at the natural world and be amazed by what exists. And I don't need to connect that to the idea of a God or deity or any sort of supernatural force to derive inspiration from that. And what I really appreciated about what Diana Nyad had to say is that she really understood and articulated so well that we can get inspiration and awe from humanity, from the people around us and for me as an atheist and as a secular humanist, that is really where I derive my sense of awe and wonder from the most. In addition to the natural world and everything that's so spectacular about that. I find that when I see people of all different religious and nonreligious backgrounds come together and try to understand one another better, work together and buck our instincts to separate ourselves to remain separate and apart from one another, I find that to be awe inducing. And I thought Diana Nyad just articulated that so beautifully.
[Cabrera:] And what I think I'm hearing you say is there is a difference between religion and spirituality. So are you saying an atheist can still be spiritual?
[Stedman:] Well, Diana Nyad said that, and other atheists have said that as well. I personally wouldn't identify myself as spiritual. But I think the important takeaway from this conversation is that people identify in many different ways and our understanding of the world spirituality and religion are so different. And I think it really reflects the need for much more conversation about this. I mean we live today in the United States and perhaps the most religiously diverse society in the history of the planet. But religious literacy rates are incredibly low. We know very little about religion. We know even less about people who believe different things than we do. And when we don't know or understand very much about our differences and we're not in conversation with one another, fear and misinformation proliferate the dialogue around religion. And I think what this emphasizes for me is the real need for people to meet and to get to know people who are different from them. As a queer person, I know this very well that in the last decade 14 percent of Americans have gone from opposing same sex-marriage to supporting it. And according to a study, the number one reason why they changed their minds is because they had a relationship with someone who is gay or lesbian. Relationships are transformative. And in fact only two percent of people who change their minds did so because they came to believe that gay and lesbian people are born that way. So education matters but really relationships are the key. And so I think this, to me, underscores the real need for much more relationship building across lines of religious difference, particularly between those who do not believe in God and those who do so that we can come to better understand each other.
[Blackwell:] Chris Stedman from Harvard University the book is "Faitheist: How an Atheist Found Common Ground with the Religious". We of course, like to have the conversation. We appreciate you for being part of it. Thank you.
[Stedman:] Thank you so much.
[Cabrera:] And for more stories on faith, if you'd like to read Chris' blog on this issue, be sure to check out our belief blog at CNN.combelief.
[Blackwell:] Ted Cruz goes home to the heart of Texas and gets a hero's welcome. He also sits down for an exclusive interview with CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION". We'll have a sneak peek just ahead.

[Berman:] So what do you think is Hillary Clinton's favorite road game?
[Bolduan:] Hm, I mean, I love I Spy.
[Berman:] I Spy is a good one.
[Bolduan:] Is there another one?
[Berman:] I don't think so; I think it's the only one.
[Bolduan:] I can never think of any others.
[Berman:] She's in the middle of a thousand-mile van ride to Iowa for her first major campaign event. She's riding in a van she nicknamed Scooby because it reminds her of the Mystery Machine from the "Scobby Doo" cartoon. She stopped at this gas station along the way, maybe for some beef jerky, but definitely to take pictures with fellow travelers. The road trip comes after Mrs. Clinton officially launched her bid for president. She did it in a video.
[Hillary Clinton, Fmr. Secretary Of State:] Everyday Americans need a champion and I want to be that champion. So you can do more than just get by: you can get ahead. And stay ahead. Because when families are strong, America is strong.
[Bolduan:] Clinton officials the Clinton's official announcement video plays up middle class families of all types. But what is the campaign message going forward? Joining us to discuss, Tracy Sefl, senior adviser to the Ready for Hillary Super PAC, as well as CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist Donna Brazile. Let's get to the video and let's get to the road trip in just a second. But I got to ask you, Donna, we've been talking about this. What goes on with Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York? Yesterday he comes out, and you'd think it would be a shoo-in endorsement. Then he says this when asked about endorsing Hillary's candidacy. Remember, everybody, he was Hillary's first campaign manager. Listen to this, guys.
[Chuck Todd, Nbc:] You're technically not yet endorsing her?
[Mayor Bill De Blasio , New York City:] No, not until I see and, again, I would say this about any candidate until I see an actual vision of where she wants to go. I think she's a tremendous public servant. I think she is one of the most qualified people to ever run for this office, and, by the way, thoroughly vetted. We can say that. But we need to see the substance.
[Bolduan:] He should know the substance, don't you think, Donna?
[Donna Brazile, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, that's if Al Gore decides to run tomorrow and someone says to me, oh Donna, you're probably with Al Gore. No, I think in politics Mayor de Blasio is doing what many politicians will do, including some Democrats, is they want to hear a message. They want to hear what she will do differently this time. They also want to hear where she will take the country. I respect Mayor de Blasio. I know he's a really good friend of the Clinton family and he knows Secretary Clinton very, very well. In fact, just last month, Secretary Clinton was with the First Lady of New York City in Brooklyn at an event. So I don't think there's a problem here. But like most Americans, he wants to hear that vision.
[Berman:] He knows her so well because, as you said, Donna, he ran her family. She sat up on the stage when Bill de Blasio took the oath of office here in New York City. So you would think she knows what she needs to know about whether to endorse him [sic]. And Donna, you mentioned you ran Al Gore's campaign and if you were asked would you endorse him, you would wait and see. But it's not like there is a huge field of other people running right now, Tracy Sefl. So what do you think Bill de Blasio is choosing between if he's not ready for Hillary, as you are?
[Tracy Sefl, Senior Advisor, Ready For Hillary:] One thing I love that Hillary is going to do is take the next several weeks, month or so, and have this conversation around the country with Americans to ask questions, to listen to their questions, and have a discussion. So, I expect that by the time she gives this first big major campaign speech sometime in May, that she will be answering Mayor de Blasio's and lots more people's questions. I think it's great the way she's approaching this.
[Bolduan:] What is different this time around, donna? Is it just in the video? Is it just in the way it's presented? Or is there a real substantive difference do you see in Hillary Clinton this go-around?
[Brazile:] I feel the difference. You know, I was around back in 2007 and 2008. I see it not just in the message that she is conveying with the video release and talking directly to the American people putting the middle class and other aspiring Americans at the center stage of her campaign. I see it in mobilization. The retail politics. She's not flying into cedar rapids or Des Moines. She's driving there because she wants to meet people where they are and where they live, where they work, where they play and where they pray. I see it also even in the media content. The relationship that this campaign is having with the media. The fact that so many reporters know what's going on. They've been able to capture this. So, it's a different political season. I think you have in Secretary Clinton a candidate who wants to earn our support and not take it for granted. That's why I believe this is a different season.
[Berman:] We had a picture right there of Scooby, the van.
[Bolduan:] It clearly does look like the van.
[Berman:] It does look like the mystery machine.
[Bolduan:] We created that, just FYI guys.
[Berman:] So, Tracy, One of the things she has to convince people in Iowa and other states to do is trust her and, frankly, a recent master poll says they don't. Quinnipiac just polled some key swing states, Colorado, Iowa, Virginia, and in those states more people than not answered no to the question is Hillary Clinton honest and trustworthy. Look at that. Colorado, 38 percent yes, 56 percent no. Iowa, 43 percent yes and 49 percent no. So, how does she convince them, when I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know about Hillary Clinton. How does she convince them that she is trustworthy when they think she's not?
[Sefl:] Well, you hit it on the head there John. Because it's not that people don't know who she is, but they may not know what she's about. And this is an opportunity for her to talk about-
[Bolduan:] But, how can that be?
[Berman:] I mean, she's been in the public eye since before Kate was born. Like 1991.
[Brazile:] And that is the issue.
[Sefl:] And now is a good time for her to talk about the work she's done, the fights she's chosen, the way she's persevered on issues whether it's about children's healthcare, issues affecting the middle class. What's exciting about this new- this period, this ramp up period that she's in, is she'll get to have those conversations and very one-on-one and very small formats and so sure, her name is recognizable. Her face is recognizable. But, now her record will be part of that story as well. And that's something that, I mean, we can all acknowledge. That's just not what people talk about when they talk about her. There's been an aura around her of things around her besides her record and her accomplishments. That's going to be a big part of the discussion and I hope that she gets lots of questions and I think she's going to have lots of great answers.
[Bolduan:] Well, that's going to be one of the interesting things when you look at a long primary with, right now, not a lot of talk about viable other Democratic options out there. A lot of folks say a good, strong rough primary is a good way to lead into a general election. What does that mean for her now? We will see because it's just starting. Donna and Tracy. It's great to see you. Thanks so much.
[Brazile:] Thank you.
[Sefl:] Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Ahead for us AT THIS HOUR, new charges should come in the South Carolina shooting case could come in the South Carolina shooting case. A second officer's account of what happened that day is now being called into question. What's not quite matching up? That's next.
[Berman:] There are new calls today for a second police officer to be charged following the fatal shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston. That second officer arrived on the scene shortly after Officer Michael Slager shot Scott in the back. Officer Clarence Habersham wrote in a police report that he had attempted quote "attempted to render aid to the victim by applying pressure to the gunshot wounds".
[Bolduan:] But, many critics they say that the video evidence, that key video evidence from that eyewitness shows something very different. That he did very little to assist and to offer aid. They're accusing Habersham, now, of leaving out other key important information from a report, including, that Officer Slager appeared to drop something at the scene, right near Walter Scott's body. Melvin Tucker is a Former FBI Agent and Former Police Chief for four southern cities who often testifies in police misconduct cases. It's great to have you here. This is an interesting kind of direction and a new focus on where a lot of people are looking at in terms of this case. We know, obviously, Officer Slager, he's charged with murder. He's sitting behind bars. But, now calls for this other officer, Habersham, to face prosecution. I want to get your take, because they say it appears there are two versions of events as we laid out. What Habersham says happened in the report. It was a short report, with almost two, just like two lines in it and then when you see in the video. Do you think he was wrong?
[Melvin Tucker, Former Fbi Agent And Police Chief:] Well, good morning, Kate. Good morning, John. Thank you for having me. The answer is, yes, I do think if he left out the report that he didn't see the taser being dropped at Walter Scott's feet and if he didn't if he lied in his report that he rendered aid and he didn't, then he showed loyalty to his fellow officer and put that above loyalty to ethics of his profession and he deserves to be held accountable for it.
[Berman:] And loyalty to his fellow officer, that's the implication that some are making here. What is your responsibility, when you are writing a report as that second officer on the scene. What do you have to say about the event and how far should you be going about your partner? I don't know if he saw Slager shoot the gun that killed Walter Scott. I don't know if he was a witness to that per se. How much does he need to include in that report?
[Tucker:] He needs to include in that report exactly what he saw. That's why I say ethics to the profession as opposed to loyalty to his fellow officer. He needed to put in there that he saw the Officer Slager drop the taser there next to Mr. Scott's body. For sure. There's no question about it. I can see why there's pressure to look at him for possible charges.
[Bolduan:] The National Bar Association, many others as we've been discussing, they're accusing him of attempting to cover-up. Would you go as far to say that is an accurate accusation, if you will. Do you know what I mean? How different are the accounts how often do accounts differ from what an officer sees on the scene and what the events ended up bearing what events ended up happening actually? I'm mean, I guess I'm not saying that tell eloquently, obviously. But what I'm trying to get at is, does he deserve the benefit of the doubt in terms of being the second officer coming to the scene in, what he put in that report or do you think it's an attempted cover-up?
[Tucker:] Well, Kate, this is all going to be up to the local prosecutor there. He's going to have to look at what the officer said in his reports and what the video shows. But, is it unusual? No. There is very often great conflict between what is said in a police report and what video shows. Had one just recently out in Ferguson, well, actually, three miles from where Michael Brown was shot and killed, and only three days later there was a shooting of Kajieme Powell, and what the Chief of Police came out and said happened was totally contradicted the next day when a video turned up just like this. So, I see it all the time and that's unfortunate and there needs to be some serious change and a reset button pushed by the police associations and sheriff's association and get us back to looking at our jobs as guardians of the public and not occupying forces.
[Berman:] This is why people do say there needs to be more video with police officers wearing cameras. Let me ask you about the requirements to administer first aid. Because this man, Walter Scott was shot five times. He was lying down on the ground. Both officers on the scene. The first thing they did was handcuff him. But after that, or even before that, what are you supposed to do to a man who has been shot?
[Tucker:] Well, you hear all of this talk about lives matter. Well, lives do matter. So an officer has an ethical responsibility to render aid to try to save a life. Handcuffing immediately after is something like that is taught in the academy for officers to do in case the threat is not actually over with. But, this is a pretty obvious situation and rendering aid would have been his ethical responsibility as soon as he arrived on the scene before anything else.
[Bolduan:] It does seem the calls are growing louder for something to happen for this officer definitely facing a lot of questions as well as Michael Slager, the other officer now sits behind bars facing a murder charge. Melvin Tucker, thank you very much for bringing on your perspective. Very interesting. Ahead for us
[At This Hour, Tucker:] Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Of course. Ahead for us AT THIS HOUR, a toddler rescued from inside the cheetah enclosure at the Cleveland Zoo. The shocking claims now from eyewitnesses about what happened just before he fell and why his mother is now charged.
[Berman:] There's no way that's her. That's what a college student thought when he ran into Hillary Clinton at a gas station. We'll tell you about their conversation perhaps near the slushy machine.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Runway emergency. A jetliner landing nose first at New York's LaGuardia Airport. Several passengers hospitalized. What caused this plane problem?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Deadly summer heat. The death toll rising from record temperatures across the nation. What you can expect today.
[Romans:] But first, hometown pride as the world waits for its first glimpse of the royal baby. We are live where Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge, grew up.
[Pereira:] Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Michaela Pereira.
[Romans:] Christine Romans. It is 29 minutes past the hour on this rainy Tuesday morning in the Northeast.
[Pereira:] Well, I think maybe it's sort of trying to be like London because we're in celebration of the big question being asked across the United Kingdom and the world: What will be the name of the royal baby? The new prince, the future king, he was Monday in London weighing in at 8 lbs 6oz. He will be a prince, the Prince the Cambridge, in fact. His parents, William and Kate, may leave the hospital today with their new little boy, the much anticipated baby, and that led to all sorts of celebrations in London. This was the scene in Niagra Falls, where lights turned the water blue in honor of the new royal baby. There are celebrations around the world, but there are also celebrations in the duchess's home village of Bucklebury about 50 miles west of London. That's where we find Dan Rivers this morning. It sounds so much nicer with English accent. Bucklebury instead of the way we say it here. Bucklebury. Hi, Dan.
[Dan Rivers, Cnn Correspondent:] Bucklebury.
[Pereira:] Yes, exactly.
[Rivers:] That's right. Welcome to Bucklebury. This is the local pub behind me, the Cottage Inn. It's one of two pubs, the quintessential British pubs, and there you can see they've got a sign out congratulating Will and Kate on the birth of their baby son. They've got the union flags, the bunting out. They're planning a huge party tonight with fireworks, with children's entertainment, lots of food, raising money for charity, and also, raising glasses to the new boy whose name we still don't know. It's a pretty quiet place. There's a little bit of traffic on the main road here, but otherwise, it's pretty deserted. I mean, to give you an idea, this is pretty much a quintessential English village, as you said. About 50 miles west of London. There's actually a number of villages that were included in Bucklebury. So, the three strong along the road. There are also royal connections here going way back to Elizabeth I back in the 16th century. She came here. There's a line of trees planted in her memory. The current queen has also been here with a line of trees planted for her. So, a suggestion, perhaps, they're going to plant more trees for the new prince, William and Kate, and eventually, of course, the baby and the happy couple will be back here to be welcomed by Kate's parents, Carol and Michael.
[Pereira:] How wonderful. I imagine there's great pride and ownership, but I also imagine there's a fair amount of feeling protective over the Middletons and trying to shield them from some of the media scrutiny.
[Rivers:] I think there is a real sense of protectiveness, yes. I mean, believe it or not, although, they're worldwide celebrities and royals, they do still go about normal life here relatively undisturbed. They go and have a point in the pub scale. There's another down the road they go too as well. They go into the butcher's shop to order their sausages, apparently. They've been in the corner store up the road. So, they are able to live a relatively normal life here. Of course, at the moment, the entire village is full of people like me, waffling on about the baby. But, hopefully, in a week or so, things will calm down. Things are get back to normal, and they'll be able to enjoy a bit of privacy here.
[Pereira:] But Dan, we do still love when you waffle on about things. Go have a pint yourself, maybe some chips, something like that. We'll be back with you again. Thanks so much.
[Romans:] All right. Still developing this morning, many questions about what caused the landing gear to collapse on a Southwest Airlines 737 jet landing in New York's LaGuardia Airport. It was on its way from Nashville to New York with 150 people on board.
[Al Radford, Passenger:] Strong boom. You could tell something hit very, very hard, was sitting right over the wings, didn't realize that the front of the wheels had come down at that point until we came to a stop, and then you realized we were tilted.
[Unidentified Male:] Any warning at all?
[Radford:] No. None what so ever. I did talk to somebody that said he felt like we were coming in a little bit hard, but from where I was sitting, you couldn't tell.
[Romans:] Ten people suffered injuries. Some had to be taken to the hospital for observation, but none of those injuries said to be serious. And investigators say the pilots didn't report any problems before that very rough landing.
[Pereira:] The owners of a train that derailed and incinerated much of a small Quebec town, killing dozens, are now facing a lawsuit in this country. The estate of one of the victims is suing Rail World Incorporated and its chairman, Edward Burkhardt, for negligence, leading to the man's death. That suit was filed in Illinois where the rail mine is based. A separate class action suit by the survivors is pending in Quebec.
[Romans:] Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine Jackson, wrapping up two days of emotions and confrontational testimony at the wrongful death trial in Los Angeles. The Jackson family matriarch bristles at questioning from AEG's lawyers about her son and drugs. She said she doesn't believe Michael abused them, but she admitted taking part in a family intervention at Jackson's Neverland ranch.
[Marvin Putnam, Aeg Live Attorney:] She's now looking to blame someone else for the very things that she and her family knew. And that's why those questions were asked.
[Brian Hanisch, Jackson Family Attorney:] I think she for being as old as she is, 83 years old, did a great job trying to answer the questions. She didn't remember everything, but I think it was clear what happened.
[Romans:] The Jacksons are suing AEG Live for billions of dollars claiming the concert promoter is liable for Michael Jackson's death.
[Pereira:] More drama and fireworks at the murder and racketeering trial of accused Boston mob boss, James Whitey Bulger. His alleged former partner, Stephen "The Rifle Man" Fleming was back on the stand and mistakenly called a man watching the trial a drug dealer. That led to an angry outburst with the man calling Fleming a liar, and the judge having to demand order. Fleming went on to testify about extortion, killings, and his meetings with the FBI agents with he said Bulger by his side.
[Romans:] San Diego's embattled mayor is pledging to defend himself against the sexual harassment lawsuit from a former employee. Irene McCormick Jackson was once a communications director for Bob Filner. She says she saw him place his hands on women inappropriately and even asked her to remove her underwear, demanded kisses from her, and whispered sexual advances. In a statement, Filner said, "The people of San Diego shouldn't rush to judgment and that the situation will be better understood once due process moves forward."
[Pereira:] A federal judge is blocking North Dakota from enforcing its new abortion law, at least temporarily. The state law is one of the most restrictive in the country, banning abortion when a fetal heartbeat is detected. Sometimes, as early as six weeks into pregnancy. This would ban 90 percent of procedures at North Dakota's only clinic that provides abortions. That law is scheduled to take effect August 1st.
[Romans:] The legal back and forth over Detroit's $18 billion bankruptcy filing not resolved yet. Another hearing set for Wednesday after a federal bankruptcy judge agreed to hear arguments from the city's emergency manager that this bankruptcy should move forward. A group of retired public employees trying to block it. And a state judge has already said the city can't file for chapter nine protection because that would violate the state constitution.
[Pereira:] Last week's brutal heat wave led to at least three deaths here in New York City. The medical examiners say all three people were in their 80s. One died Friday, two others Saturday as temperatures climbed into the mid-90s. It is not clear if any of those people had any underlying medical conditions. And that is just the concern when the heat gets to that extreme amount is that some people won't be able to find ways to keep cool and will suffer from being overcome by the heat.
[Romans:] And that's why the cities have those cooling centers for elderly people, you know
[Pereira:] The question of getting there and mobility, et cetera.
[Romans:] that they can handle and it gets so hot. Indra Petersons has an eye on the forecast for us now this morning. Now, that the heat has broken, all other different kinds of weather we're looking at now.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] It's always one or the other, right? I mean, today it's thunderstorms. We saw the lightning earlier. Here is a current look at our radar right now. You can actually see a nice line of storms kind of moving through the area. Little bit keep the energy that will remain with us that they triggering thunderstorms as we go through the afternoon. But the upside, more cooling, actually below normal temperatures just to the west of New York. So, Pittsburgh right now, average 83, currently 72 degrees, and this is the cooler air that will be making its way through overnight tonight and through tomorrow. With that, we'll continue to see those thunderstorms. Now, watch the cool front right here, right where this cool front is, that's where we'll have our threat for more severe weather as we go throughout the afternoon, so where is that? We're talking about here from Kansas kind of really through Kentucky, but they're not going to be the only ones looking at this threat for thunderstorms. We're talking about all that warm, moist air continuing to stream up from the gulf. And the more we kind of see a little bit of a sea breeze, but once that switches to the south and we'll get the afternoon warming, we'll get the thunderstorms kind of triggering throughout the afternoon. The overnight hours again tonight. So, as far as the anywhere from one to two inches. Heavier amounts are possible where we see those thunderstorms. Flooding can be a concern as this could be a pretty slow moving system out there. And again, I keep talking about how much rain we've had. Such a strange year for June and July. Anywhere from five to seven inches above normal from New York to D.C. We go down to the south where they still have a threat for even more rain there as well. This is unbelievable year for them. We're talking from one to two inches of rain today with a good seven to eight inches above normal. So, I guess, it's a wet summer for all of us.
[Pereira:] It sure is.
[Romans:] Thanks, Indra.
[Pereira:] All right. You know the saying, don't get between a momma bear and her cubs?
[Romans:] Yes.
[Pereira:] Well, it's true. We want to show you some incredible video. That's a mother bear on top of a dumpster just east of Los Angeles. She's trying to get in. She's trying to pull on it, wants to open the lid. The reason is because one of her cubs was inside. It turns out she needs a little human help to get the cub out.
[Adam Smith, Game Warden, California Fish & Wildlife:] I was able to open the lid quickly and back off and find out. And it's back with its parents. At least its mom.
[Pereira:] That's the key right there. The game warden saying back off, because once the hatch was open, the young bear did scamper out with a little something stuck to his ear. Probably a little smarter or maybe not, because you know, when you're a baby cub, you're just so curious and you need a snack.
[Romans:] Oh, that is so cute. But you know, it is actually dangerous the way the scavenge in the garbage and human waste you know, the stuff that we throw out is what causes the bears to really
[Pereira:] They've been seeing a lot of bears out there in California that lasted a while.
[Romans:] In Jersey, we have them in jersey, too.
[Pereira:] You've been telling me about that.
[Romans:] We have bears in I'm telling you, we have bears in Jersey. All right. Among other things. Coming up, you know what I'm talking about the startling new evidence this morning on why the first meal of the day could really be the most important, and I'm hungry.
[Pereira:] This is kind of a problem.

[Cooper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. You're looking at some live pictures and really the location that we're at, there's a helicopter shot from WJZ, I believe, from right in front of the courthouse which is also just about 300 feet or so from city hall, the location we're at. That's the group of protesters I was talking about earlier who arrived here probably 15 minutes ago and they're now standing outside the courthouse area. Some people are making speeches and talking. And these are the kind of roving protests that we've seen a lot over the last 24 hours or so. We're also anticipating a press conference from law enforcement officials. We'll obviously bring that to you. We're expecting a press conference from the Baltimore police department any moment. We'll take that live. And in just two days, that department is going to wrap up their investigation into the death of Freddie Gray. The police report is going to be sent directly to prosecutors, not necessarily released publicly. In fact, I talked to the attorney for the Gray family on Friday who's trying to tamp down people's expectations that on Friday, they're going to get some sort of word about the results from that investigation. The lack of answers, though, into what happened to Freddie Gray whose spine was severed has certainly inflamed days of protests and Monday's outbreak of violence. Cell phone videos of Gray dragged inside that police van have angered crowds, angered people now for weeks. Along with that mystery of what happened to him, were his injuries sustained during the arrest, were they sustained inside that vehicle? If so, how? Six officers involved in the arrest are on paid leave but did any of their actions lead to Freddie Gray's death? We simply do not don't have any injuries. I want to bring in CNN's Evan Perez. Baltimore leaders, they're working now basically to set up a game plan, right?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Reporter:] That's right, Anderson. They're trying to come over the game plan of how to lower those expectations, which
[Cooper:] On Friday.
[Perez:] On Friday, which is I think what the Gray family attorney is also trying to do. I expect that we're going to hear a little bit more about that game plan in the next couple of hours from city officials. The problem that they have right now is that the investigation this is going to be a preliminary report offered up
[Cooper:] So, this is the police department report?
[Perez:] Police department report. And it is considered preliminary because they're going to continue their investigation. And it's not going to provide any complete answers, not even to the state prosecutors. The issue is this even at this point, they don't believe that there's any clear-cut answers here as to what happened. There's no roadmap here for charges just yet. They're still waiting for some very key things, including the medical examiner's report, which could be weeks away.
[Cooper:] You know, the last I heard of I mean, this was probably four, five days ago. Five of the six officers had at least given preliminary statements. Do we know if that sixth officer has or is he still maintaining his right to remain silent?
[Perez:] What we know so far is that it's simply been five of the six, right, exactly. That doesn't mean the sixth is guilty of anything.
[Cooper:] Right. I want to bring in our senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin who is standing by. Jeff, you're a former federal prosecutor. What if anything do you think we're going to hear about this report on Friday? Will details be released or leaked out or will the prosecutor want to keep it close to the vest if she builds a potential case?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] You know, I think that's a really tough call. There are a lot of competing pressures. Under ordinary circumstances, you wouldn't hear much because this is preliminary and usually, this begins a process of give-and-take with the prosecutors where the prosecutors say, look, I need you to interview the following three or four more witnesses, I want to get the following tests done. I mean, preliminary means preliminary. Here, of course, there's tremendous demand. I would anticipate that the family of Freddie Gray would be brought in and informed at least somewhat about how much about the information that's been gathered. But, you know, as you pointed out just a couple of minutes ago, there is a lot that remains mysterious about how Freddie Gray died and what caused it. And it's going to take more time to determine that and especially to determine if anybody needs to be criminally charged in connection with it.
[Cooper:] Sunny Hostin, former federal prosecutor, is also joining us. And as we always point out, she is also friends with the mayor of Baltimore. I talked to the attorney for the Gray family last night and he was saying, look, I want to tamp down the protesters' expectations that Friday, they're going to get some, you know, vital information. And he doesn't want them getting upset on Friday when that information is not forthcoming because he's arguing for the Gray family and for the prosecutor, they want to keep their strategy close to the vest. They don't want to give out all the information that's going to let anyone who may be potentially indicted know exactly what's coming.
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, I think that's right. It's really important in a case like this to manage everyone's expectations because all eyes are on how the prosecutor's office will handle this. And I think further along in the process, quite frankly, is going to be very interesting because prosecutors as Jeff Toobin knows have two potential tracks. And we've seen that play out. You can either choose to charge yourself as the prosecutor because that is well within your jurisdiction, or you can choose to bring whatever evidence you have to a grand jury. And so, people need to understand that not only does the investigation have to continue because if I'm the prosecutor, I do want to see forensic evidence. I may want to bring in some experts to help me discern what happened in terms of the autopsy. And, you know, I think you also have to recognize that a prosecutor once that person has all the evidence also has to determine which track to follow.
[Cooper:] Jeff, in terms of a time line, how long a process are we talking about?
[Toobin:] Well, just for starters, according to the usually procedure in Maryland, a full autopsy is not presented until 30 to 45 days after the autopsy takes place. That pushes the timeline out considerably. And that, at least to me based on what I know, is going to be perhaps the single most important piece of evidence in this case. How did Freddie Gray die? What was the cause of death? And there is no guarantee that an autopsy will present the answer to that question, which means you may have to bring more experts. So I think a month, two months is far from out of the question. It is far better, though, I think to be late, to be slow than to be wrong. And I think if it takes a while, it's going to take a while. But it really is important for prosecutors and police to get this one right.
[Cooper:] You know, on another subject, you're friends with the mayor, today she came out and said basically that she got it wrong, that she shouldn't have called the young people who were being violent on the streets Monday thugs, that she regretted calling them thugs. President Obama also used that term. But it was interesting that she's now come forward and said that, which is something you've been saying frankly
[Hostin:] I have been critical of the mayor in terms of those remarks. She is a very close friend of mine. But I was surprised that she chose to use that word. She is very measured, she's a critical thinker. She's sensitive to the issues facing communities of color, and I was quite surprise that she would use that term. What is also interesting to me is that people are saying that she has sort of this apathetic way about here, that she seemed to be flatfooted or a deer caught in the headline. I know because I know her personally that she is someone that does not wear her emotion on her sleeve. She is very measured just as a person. And so, the fact that she used that term shows me that she was very, very almost upset about what was going on.
[Cooper:] It's one of the things I talked to Toya Graham, the mom who famously dragged her son, Michael, out of the protests when she saw him about to throw a rock. I actually asked her about those comments, she made a very good point saying, my son has made some mistakes but my son is not a thug, 16 years old, has dreams of what he wants to be. And that was something that offended her, I believe, even though she was the mom who has been identified as the kind of mom who cares for her kid and was dragging her kid out of
[Hostin:] It is offensive. And I have received I don't know how many tweets and e-mails in response to my suggestion yesterday that the word "thug" has become racialized. I'm not saying it's a racial term. But it's also used as a term for young African-American men, and I think we have to be very careful when we call people that name. I think that certainly, you can call someone a criminal if they are committing arson and thief and assault, which is what we saw during those riots, and the looting, but to sort of frame everyone as a thug, I think it's misplaced.
[Cooper:] Sunny, I appreciate you being with us. Jeffrey Toobin as well. There's still a lot to talk about in this hour. Coming up, we're awaiting the police press conference, expected at any moment. We're gong to bring that to you live. We're going to take a short break. Plus, the Baltimore Orioles just trounced the Chicago White Sox. None of their fans got to see it in person. What's it like playing in a totally empty stadium? Details on that from our John Berman, ahead.

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, again, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. We begin today with brand new information about the investigation into the police shooting of an unarmed teen in Ferguson, Missouri. A law enforcement official tells CNN the Justice Department did not want local police to release surveillance video as yet allegedly showing Michael Brown committing a robbery at the store moments before he was shot and killed by a police officer. The reasons for that major rift straight ahead. But first, here's what we know about a new round of violence in Ferguson overnight. This was the scene in the early morning hours when angry looters blocked off a street and looted three stores. A SWAT team across the street didn't move in or arrest anyone eventually the crowd dispersed. And peaceful protesters helped protect the stores from more looting. The state's governor, Jay Nixon, in a tweet thanking those demonstrators and says he will visit the town of Ferguson today. And at this hour, people in Ferguson are planning a vigil to mark the moment when Michael Brown was killed exactly one week ago today in broad daylight. A rally is scheduled later on today about 12 miles away in St. Louis at the city's famous gateway arch. We're covering all angles of this developing story as only CNN can. Our team of correspondents and analysts all joining us. Rene Marsh at the White House, Ana Cabrera in Ferguson, L.Z. Granderson in Detroit, Michigan and Charles Blow in New York and Missouri State Senator Jamilah Nasheed joining us on the phone. All right, let's begin with Rene Marsh at the White House because we're talking about sources telling CNN, Rene, that the Department of Justice advised against Ferguson police to release that surveillance video because there were some worry or fear that it might really invoke more emotions there. Give us more.
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Fred. This is new information we're getting from our justice reporter, Evan Perez. These sources are saying the Department of Justice warned Ferguson police it was not a good idea to release the video you are looking at on your screen there. Let's take you back to earlier in the week. We know that the Department of Justice had this discussion with the police department on Thursday. The reason that they gave, they said that they believed it would just increase tensions and we already know that tensions were pretty high within the community. And the Justice Department said it would make things even worse, so during that discussion on Thursday, the Department of Justice won. They did not release the tape. Then fast forward to Friday and the surveillance video was released. And we know that this happened again, federal authorities did not agree with this. They said that they should not do this. However, the police department went ahead and did it anyway. It is unclear at this point though, Fred, as to why the Ferguson Police Department felt the pressure or the need to release the video despite hearing from federal authorities that they were advising against it. That remains unclear. We do know that federal investigators had their own copy of this video, had no plans whatsoever to release it, but it is worth pointing out as far as the bigger investigation goes, you know, the Department of Justice is looking into this separately from the criminal investigation. They're looking to see was there some civil rights violation, so the fact that Ferguson police did not listen to their advice, there's really nothing that the Department of Justice can do about it, but it just speaks to the bigger issue here, Fred. They received this information from these investigators who were brought in and they clearly went against it. Unclear why.
[Whitfield:] Ana, let me bring you into this. You are there in Missouri. Have Ferguson police responded to what DOJ is saying or at least what sources are telling us advised that it shouldn't release the video, what's the police response to that. And then I wonder, too, how important is it for the governor to return to Ferguson today, as he promises in a tweet that he really wants that face time with the community there?
[Ana Cabrera, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I think they were talking about two separate things, so let's start with the first piece, we have not heard from the Ferguson Police Department yet this morning. In fact, we haven't really heard from any law enforcement this morning and we have been reaching out, trying to ask questions about exactly what happened here last night. The fact that there was more unrest. Again, there was this new information released from the Department of Justice advising against releasing the video about the robbery. And so, we are trying to get those questions answered. We want you to know. As far as the governor coming into town, there was criticism by protesters and residents earlier in the week that he had not been present, he had not reached out very well to the community here in Ferguson. Particularly the African-American community, who have been outraged about how this investigation has been handled and about the incident itself involving Michael Brown and him being killed and whether or not that was justified. Now, we're here along the main drag, so to speak, where all that looting happened earlier in the week, where more looting happened last night. Just across the street over my shoulder here is the Ferguson market where that alleged robbery happened. That was sort of the central point of looting that happened last night where we're told up to 200 people were at one point trying to get into there and there was a standoff between looters and other residents or protesters who were trying to prevent looting from happening. And eventually lost and the looting did occur. We're also hearing from people here on the ground that things could have been much worse last night. Unfortunately, though, businesses are having to close up shop. If you drive along this drag, you will see boarded up businesses. And I had a chance to talk to one of the assistant managers at one of those businesses that has been damaged and property stolen. Listen to what she told me.
[Cabrera:] Had crews on the scene who described a very tense situation and there was fear that perhaps if police had confronted these people who were looting that maybe there could have been a gun battle and people would have lost lives. What do you think?
[Seretha Alford, Assistant Manager:] With that situation, it's so scary now, you don't know who to trust. You don't know who the good guys is and who the bad guys is because of this situation. So, out here, people are fearful. People are scared and they have the right to be scared.
[Cabrera:] People are scared. People are fearful and everybody wants to know what's going to happen next. It's so unpredictable. We do know there's that rally planned at noon today. It has now been exactly one week since the shooting occurred. It happened a little after noon last Saturday. So at noon, a rally is supposed to be held outside the police station. Another protest in which we're told those are gathering and trying to get out a message that justice must happen in this community and in this case Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right. L.Z. Granderson, Charles Blow also with us and State Senator Jamilah Nasheed. So L.Z., to you, this certainly seems messy because there are so many different tentacles to this entire investigation, but do you worry whether it's the looting or the recommendation of DOJ to not release the video Ferguson police decides to release it any way. Are all of these distractions from the questions at the very core of this case, which is what happened between Officer Darren Wilson and Michael Brown one week ago midday right there in broad daylight.
[L.z. Granderson, Cnn Commentator:] I think you hit it right on the head. We cannot get away from the core question, which is what transpired between Michael Brown and this police officer moments before Michael Brown was shot to death. But there are so many interesting tentacles to this story that I think it's good for us to have these nuance conversations. There's the conversation about the militarization of police, about obviously the black community had these individuals in Ferguson who have nothing to do with what they're trying to accomplish. They're looting and that leads to nothing but selfishness and more violence and they need to be uprooted from this movement and then you have the largest question, which Charles talked about earlier, which is this rioting you see, this protest, this doesn't just come from one particular shooting. This has come in this particular community because of decades and decades of oppression and disenfranchise. We've combed through now the arrest records, the number of times police officers pulled over black residents versus white residents. It's pretty clear there's been a pattern in that community for a long time and that was the straw that broke the camel's black and Ferguson is like a lot of communities we have across the country. Whether we're able to get to a larger conversation, I don't know from this case. But the more that the police and rioter and looters distract us from the ultimate question, what happened to Michael Brown and that police officer in those minutes, the further away we get to resolving this case.
[Whitfield:] And so, Charles, expound on that. You know, this moment in Ferguson is a moment that has happened in too many cities across America for a very long time. But that you hear from so many members of the community there in Ferguson, whether they were eyewitnesses or folks who simply live there and say this really does speak to a history of problems. Between the mistrust that community members have and the police department and you know, whether the federal government now being involved in its own investigation of this, how much does this assist this community or perhaps even you know open the door to assisting other communities dealing with the same problem.
[Charles Blow, Cnn Political Commentator:] Yes, I think it's important to look at it and say the federal government probably helps in the case by kind of diffusing or getting past some of the suspicious that local residents have of local officials. However, it's really important for us to recognize this is not a local issue, but a national issue, an issue that we all have to engage on a national stage and on an interpersonal stage. Whether or not you know, someone feels fear, they can legitimately feel fear. Is that fear reasonable and rooted in something beyond just the circumstances at hand and whether or not race plays into that. Whether or not the size and gender of this person plays into that. Whether or not being in a community of people who are poorer than you or who you perceive to be other than you plays into that. All of that is kind of interpersonal work that all of us have to do to examine ourselves. And I think this part of what the citizens of Ferguson are saying is that we are othered constantly and part of what black America says on a regular basis is we are othered. And that otherness diminishes our potential to be active and equal participants in the system and the ideals that are America. And until we get to the point where we have that discussion constantly, not just a discussion, but actively work to alleviate those barriers, to activate people's participation, you'll have flare ups like this.
[Whitfield:] Ana, let me bring you into this because we talk about the mistrust that's clearly been established there. People say they haven't trusted local police there in a long time. But now that you've got federal investigation underway, are you hearing from anybody there who says they're much more likely to talk to federal authorities and ask the same questions local authorities might ask?
[Cabrera:] Well, most of the people we've been talking to want to give their accounts about what happened to Michael Brown. If they actually witnessed it itself and we've heard from the federal investigators in press releases and statements that they are reaching out to anybody who was a witness of exactly what happened. And they in fact plan to go into the neighborhood, the apartment area near where Michael Brown was shot and killed to make sure that witnesses who haven't come forward yet feel like they can come forward and they're going put themselves in a position in order to do that. So, we're hearing that there's an effort at least on a much larger scale to try to engage the community with law enforcement, but I think it's very consistent that we're still hearing from people in this community that they don't trust law enforcement, especially at the local police department here. And in fact, it seems like every move along this story and every move that even local officials are doing to be more transparent is only making matters worse and really driving a deeper divide as opposed to helping the situation Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, and State Senator Nasheed, still on the phone with us. In the coming hours if not days, what is your hope in terms of questions to be answered?
[State Senator Jamilah Nasheed , Missouri:] Well, we want to know what really happened. We want justice for Michael Brown. We don't believe as a community that justice occurred under the watch of Bob McCullough. That's why we're calling for an independent prosecutor because only then will the unrest [inaudible]. We need a prosecutor that is going to be unbiased. We don't believe Bob is that prosecutor. The bottom line is this here. What we have to begin to realize is that we had a young man, his only crime was walking town down the street, yes, was he seen as bully? Yes. Did he steal? Yes. But that doesn't justify the killing of an innocent young man who was unarmed, looking to move on with his life and be productive things. By the hands of the police department that was supposed to protect and serve him. We know there are a lot of undercurrent issues, elements in the black community. The racial profiling, police brutality, the lack of jobs. All of those things is a direct correlation of what we see happening in the streets here in the city of St. Louis as a result of that murder. So, what you want to see happen moving forward, we want to see some transparency. We would like to see an honest investigation that will bring about justice for Michael Brown. That's what we're looking for.
[Whitfield:] All right.
[Nasheed:] And again, that's why we have a petition. It's www.petitionforjustice.com. We are asking that individuals sign the petition so that we can take at least 20,000 signatures to the doorstep of Bob McCullough and let him know this is the opinion from the people. They don't want you there on this case. And you should be statesman enough to move aside in order to ease the tension that has occurred as a result of the murder of Michael Brown.
[Whitfield:] State Senator Jamilah Nasheed, Rene Marsh, Ana Cabrera, L.Z. Granderson and Charles Blow, thanks to all of you, appreciate it. Perhaps you still have questions you want answered about Ferguson, Missouri. The situation unfolding there or the tactics being used by both sides. Tweet us using #fergusonqs and we'll get some of your questions to our panel of experts throughout the day. We'll be right back.

[Whitfield:] The Screen Actors Guild Awards are tonight and Rita Moreno will receive the Lifetime Achievement Award, presenting her with the honor, her long time friend and former electric company alum, Morgan Freeman. I had the chance to talk to Moreno about her life and the discrimination she faced early in her career.
[Rita Moreno, Actress:] I found out very quickly when I came to this country and it was New York, about 5 years old, that I was a spick according to the kids on the block and a garlic mouth and pierced ear, all the words you hear on the "West Side Story," by the way. Even though at the time, I didn't even speak English. The way in which those words were spit out at me, even as a very little girl, I knew something was wrong with me. And when I began to understand the words, it was even worse. And you know, if you're young enough and you're told often enough that you have no value, you believe it. Children are very tender and very vulnerable and very believing. They'll believe anything you tell them. And I carried that with me for far too many years. It's the thing that sent me into psychotherapy many, many years later when I was finding I was really miserable in my life, that I didn't like myself too much and my friend then, Marlon Brando, who was then my lover, said, this man who was seriously disturbed said to me, you need to see a therapist. I love the irony of that. He was right, of course. I'm a very stubborn person. I hang on to my neurosis like nobody's business, but I know a lot of people like that. It's comfortable even though it's scary.
[Whitfield:] Because it's comfortable for most people to live with a facade. The person that everyone thinks they know and then there is of course the person. Sometimes, it takes a lot more courage, most time to take a lot more courage to reveal exactly who you are and what you're thinking and feeling, whether it be you know, revealing your strengths our your weaknesses, especially.
[Moreno:] You are so smart and you are so right and you know, what really was shocking to me, because the book covers something you rarely get to see anymore. It covers the early Hollywood that no longer exists, and the bias and the prejudice that I lived with for years and years and years in Hollywood when I was a young woman. That was a shock and it was sad because I really felt when I went to MGM under contract at 17 that I was going to be a star. I could be like Lana Turner or Elizabeth Taylor, and then it turned out that I could only play roles that required accents. And that begot something kind of rather amusing in a way because whether I played a Polynesian girl, I was always the house ethnic. When I played the Polynesian girl, an Arabian girl, an East Indian girl, I always had the same accent.
[Whitfield:] Did it always bother you? Was there a point that you said, I'm going to do this? I accept it, but then you write it became very demeaning.
[Moreno:] It always was demeaning, but somewhere inside of me, I always felt there was a stubborn streak that said, you are talented. Even when I was a little girl, you have talent. Somehow, if I persevere, somehow, some way, someone will see that in me and give me a break and it happened in west side story and of course, the king and I, but "The King and I," yet again, I was talking like this, you know, and beautiful role, fantastic movie. But there I was doing the same thing, only with more beautiful costumes.
[Whitfield:] So, if you had an opportunity to kind of reach back to you teenage years, the early part of your career and you would be able to advise yourself, given your life path, your odyssey, what would you have advised that young girl about to embark on a life in entertainment?
[Rita Moreno, Actress:] I would have said to Rosy, to Dolores Alverio, don't go to Hollywood. Go to the theatre where people were still allowed to play different kinds of roles. But my thinking, my what's the word for that, my set, my take was that in order to be a famous star, you had to go to Hollywood. I had never done theatre unless I was, my gosh, much, much older. So Hollywood was the answer for me. It wasn't the best answer. In the meantime, however, it made me very strong. In the meantime, I met someone like Marlon Brando, who ultimately did me one of the greatest favors he ever did any woman, which was to say, you need help.
[Whitfield:] She is remarkable and congrats to her for the big SAG Award.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back. Two more crew members of that South Korean ferry have now been arrested bringing the total to nine and more than 100 people have now been confirmed to have lost their lives in the disaster. Nearly 200 more people are still feared to be in that ship's hull. Leading to questions about safety and training on passenger ferries worldwide including here in the United States where millions ride here each. We brought in Captain Patrick Little. He is a retired captain with the U.S. Coast Guard and a former commanding officer with the U.S. Coast Guard Marines Safety Center. Captain, I'm not putting you on the spot about prognosticating what happened here, but you know the rules and regulations, what's supposed to be done, that's what we want to get out this morning. Beginning with abandoning the ship as a captain and crew, one of the big points of criticism here. The captain made it off while people were still stuck on board. What are the rules and then what are the ethics involved? CAPTAIN PATRICK LITTLE, U.S. COAST GUARD Well, and is it just an ethical consideration because he's being charged with it in Korea, and we've seen it before. Is there a law that the captain must stay on board until everybody else is off?
[Little:] I'm not familiar with what the local laws would be in Korea. So you'd have to get into that, and I don't think that I'm not aware that that is normally regulated. That's a code of ethics. That's a code of professionalism. It goes back to being a leader, a person being in charge or a person being responsible. You've got people under your care, and you generally want to make sure that everybody's taken care of in an emergency situation.
[Cuomo:] Another piece of new information that came out this morning is that there's a claim from the crew that this ship has had problems with listing in the past. Have you ever heard of anything like that? A vessel this size that has trouble with listing?
[Little:] Specifically, no. You know, ships are very large and complex entities. This is several hundred feet long. During the course of a ship's life, you know, people bring on material, they bring off material. You might have design and construction changes, and if the weights that are added and taken off aren't done in a very even way, you could end up with a residual list, but that would be something you would notice at the pier. It's not typically common for a ship to be listing to some degree during operation, but it could happen. I mean, that's something that the crew will manage. You try to manage, you know, the list which is the side to side attitude of the ship, and the trim which is the fore and aft attitude of the ship during course of operation.
[Cuomo:] So the main concern for folks back here in the U.S. is while we don't have a lot of 13-hour ferry voyages in the United States, a lot of people take ferries. Do you feel the captains and crews are adequately trained? They do evacuation simulations. We make sure ours have life-saving equipment so something like this will be managed as well as possible?
[Little:] I had the fortune over my time in the coast guard to work with the ferry industry as a member of the coast guard through all aspects of design, construction and operation, and I also had the opportunity to work with many of the professionals that run the ferries all the way from the cruise to the owners to the industry association, the passenger vessel association, and I'm very confident that everybody that's involved in operating, running ferries, you know, the entire system. There's a lot there's a high degree of care and attention to detail, and effort put in to doing it right, doing things the right way, and ensuring that, you know, passenger safety is paramount, and I think if you look at the record of the United States ferry industry, you'd see that it's it's outstanding. I mean, they've done a really, really good job. The coast guard industry, and the mariners. It really takes all parts of that group to keep things running smoothly, and the record is excellent.
[Cuomo:] All right, Captain, we appreciate that because obviously people are going to look at this and think about what happens the next time they get on a ferry, and so many Americans do. Appreciate it this morning Kate.
[Bolduan:] Coming up next on NEW DAY, the teen stowaway who defied death and evaded airport security. How did he survive and how did he get past hundreds of security cameras, airport police and grounds crews?

[Pereira:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Cars that can talk to each other. Really not that long ago, that would have just sounded like science fiction, right? But the federal government is now pushing from mandate for all new cars to be equipped with special technology that would allow them to communicate certain data that they believe could help prevent facet. So, we bring in Jim Meigs, the lucky man, editor-in-chief of "Popular Mechanics" magazine. What a gig. First of all, good morning. Let's talk about this. Break it down. How would they actually get these cars? We know the cars right now have so much technology already on board. How would they communicate with one another?
[Jim Meigs, Editor-in-chief Of Popular Mechanics:] Basically, there would be like a little radio in your car that would communicate to other cars nearby on the road. So, let's say you're coming around a bend, and all of a sudden, all the cars in front of you out of sight come to a stop. You get an alert that says basically slow down now and you can avoid an accident. At first, it just might be something that would be an alert to the driver, but eventually, this could be part of a system would actually let cars drive autonomously or you could take your hands off the wheel and the car will drive itself.
[Pereira:] And what's amazing about this, transportation secretary, Anthony Foxx, saying yesterday that they think, they believe, they're putting a lot of faith in this, it could prevent 80 percent of crashes, ones that are not related to DUI, obviously. That's pretty astounding.
[Meigs:] And that actually is quite incredible, but it won't happen overnight, because you need to have some critical mass of cars. It doesn't have to be all of them, but you need enough cars communicating to each other
[Pereira:] Sure. You can't just have one or two.
[Meigs:] Exactly.
[Bolduan:] So, what do you think of it? I mean, it's kind of like, as a gear head yourself [07:23:56] What do you think of this idea? Do you think that it's a good idea or does it take away the beauty of driving a car, kind of take it out at the driver's hand?
[Meigs:] That's a question that all car lovers are asking right now. And, the answer is a little bit of both. If it becomes a heavy-handed system that steps in and takes control of the car from you all the time, obviously, nobody wants that.
[Cuomo:] It's an easy line to cross. I was in this buddy's Mercedes and he has this device that tells you when the car in front of you is getting too close and it makes the steering wheel vibrate.
[Meigs:] Right.
[Cuomo:] And if you go onto the line of the dividing thing It makes a different sound.
[Meigs:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] It was kind of annoying.
[Meigs:] When you get used to that, actually, that can be a real that can be a good feature. A lot of people like those features and different kinds of
[Cuomo:] But then do you start relying on it and stop using your head?
[Meigs:] This is a question you have with autopilot in airplanes. You know, anytime you bring in a new technology, it might make things safer, but also, it might open the door to other new issues that we need to focus on.
[Pereira:] So, usability, safety, obviously a big concern, as you can predict, is privacy.
[Meigs:] Here's the question. Who's going to own this data? You know, if the cars are just talking to each other, speed, location, this is a good thing, and we'll definitely make car safer. But if you're connected to a broader system, if it's stored maybe
[Cuomo:] What's the fear? Play out the anxiety.
[Meigs:] You go a little too fast and all of a sudden, you get a ticket in the mail. There's a record of everywhere you've driven for the last two years somewhere in some file. Now, they're saying this won't happen, but I think, you know, after all the NSA scandal, certainly a proper mechanics, we cover this privacy question all the time. People are suspicious. They don't completely trust any authority to not to use that data or misuse that data.
[Pereira:] Yes. How far out we're looking, 10 years?
[Meigs:] They're saying they want to get the rules written by the end of the Obama administration. That's not aggressive at all. In fact, the car makers have been asking for guidance on this. They're ready to go.
[Cuomo:] They already have it, though, a little bit. I mean, you already have some
[Meigs:] There's two different kinds of systems. One is based in the car using cell phone technology and radar and other things. This would be a new communications actually, they've set aside some bandwidth for this special type of communication. But it would probably integrate with those other systems and become a kind of whole
[Pereira:] I want to come I want to switch jobs with you or spend a day in your life and we'll go test it out together. How about that?
[Meigs:] You got it.
[Pereira:] Jim Meigs from "Popular Mechanics," thanks so much for walking us through some of this. V to V and what it's called. Time now for our "Must-See Moment." After a season full of bad weather, Kentucky principal found a way to get a little creative with an unusually dull announcement. Grab a snuggie and watch TV or maybe read. That is Stevens Elementary School principal, James Del Widely says after almost ten closings or delays, he was trying to put a bit of an inspiring twist.
[Cuomo:] A play on what song? Well done. Well done.
[Pereira:] He got some help from one of the drama teachers for the call and they hit the high note.
[Bolduan:] That's what I was going to say. Applause for the high note. I think we should give him the slow clap on that one, right?
[Pereira:] I love it. Nice.
[Cuomo:] I like that one. I like that he had on the hockey jersey too. The other guy
[Bolduan:] You didn't see they also had snuggies that they're
[Cuomo:] Where were those teachers when I was in grade school? I had nuns who had a little bit of that All right. Coming up on NEW DAY, the desperate search for a Virginia police captain who disappeared last week. Could two persons of interest hold the key to the mystery? We'll take you through it.
[Bolduan:] Plus, a fisherman says he was lost at sea for more than a year turning up on a remote island 5,000 miles from where he began. But is this castaway telling the truth? [07:41:59]

[Costello:] Oh, boy. You're looking at live pictures of a bus crash on the Manhattan side of the Lincoln Tunnel. This is according to CNN affiliate, WABC. At least 18 people are injured after those two buses collided inside the Lincoln Tunnel. If you're on the road or heading that way to visit New York City and see the Statue of Liberty, expect major delays. You know, the Lincoln Tunnel is hell on a good day so I'm praying for you all. 18 people injured after that bus crash. All right in other news this morning. Just days ahead of and expected launch of launch of his presidential campaign Jeb Bush is talking tough on Vladimir Putin. Bush is on a three-country European tour designed to shore up his foreign policy skills. At the top of the agenda, Russia, and the need to keep that nation's aggressions in check.
[Jeb Bush , Former Florida Governor:] He's all powerful in Russia but I guess my point was that we don't want to make it sound like we're against Russia. Ultimately Russia needs to be a European country and ultimately I think the deal with Putin you need to deal from strength. He's a bully. And bullies don't, you know, you enable bad behavior when you're nuanced with a guy like that. And I think just being clear I'm not talking about being bellicose, but saying here are the consequences of your actions. And that would deter the kind of bad outcome that we don't want to see.
[Costello:] But while Bush is looking ahead to his political future, a controversy from his past as Florida governor is coming to light. It centers around what Bush said was a need for his words now quote, "the restoration of shame for mothers of children born out of wedlock", an idea Bush first reference in his 1995 book "Profiles in Character". Here to discuss that and more CNN political reporter Sara Murray and Republican consultant Cherie Jacobus. Sara I want to start with you. Should we expect Russia to be a centerpiece of Bush's foreign policy strategy. And then we'll talk about the book.
[Sara Murray, Cnn Political Reporter:] Yes, I absolutely think that he has made Russia into it's a very safe argument for him to say, look, I'm going to be tougher on Russia. It gives him a way to sort of contrast himself with President Obama and make it seem like he would take a tougher approach to foreign policy at a time when a lot of people are worried about sort of America's standing in the world. So I do think we'll hear much more about this. I also think like I said, it's a really safe base for Bush to be talking in when he's so close to his presidential announcement. A lot of this trip is about appearing presidential and avoiding making any kind of unforced errors.
[Costello:] All right. So let's now talk about Jeb Bush's book from 1995. In an excerpt Bush wrote, quote, "One of the reasons more young women are giving birth out of wedlock and young men are walking away from their paternal obligations is that there's no longer a stigma attached to this behavior. No reason to feel shame. There was a time when neighbors and communities would frown on out-of-wedlock birth and when public condemnation was enough of a stimulus for one to be careful." So Cherie do you think this will haunt Bush or will some people agree with him?
[Cherie Jacobus, Republican Consultant:] Look, his heart was in the right place. He's talking about solving the problem of unwed motherhood, children being born into their families our latest census data shows that of the bottom fifth of earners in this country, 83 percent are comprised of single-parent households, unwed mothers. You have children being born and raised into poverty. What he should have focused done probably is focus more on the fathers walking away. And there should be a stigma. There should be shame attached when you're letting these children grow up in poverty, having the mother's family, having to support them and in many cases, of course, taxpayers supporting them. So he was making an effort. The left of course, is trying to make a big deal of this, maybe to take focus away from a Republican candidate's trip overseas. But I got to tell you the person who is the most unhappy about this even though the left is trying to do her a favor, it's Hillary Clinton. You are reaching back 20 years for old quotes in something that Jeb Bush wrote. And so now that you've open up that Pandora's box, we have Hillary Clinton 20 years ago in the White House and she's been trying to say ancient history, off limits, can't do that anymore.
[Costello:] Ok. So Jeb Bush may be able to say that but Sara this isn't just about the book. There was also this 2001 Florida law enacted while Bush was governor. It was called the Scarlet Letter Law. Tell us about that.
[Murray:] Yes, I actually think this is more jarring than the book because this is a law that had a profound impact on women's lives. What this did in Florida was if you were a woman who became pregnant and you wanted to give your child up for adoption but you didn't know who the father was, you had to publish your name, your physical description a description of people you thought the father might be in the newspaper to give the potential father's a chance to sort of claim their child before you give it up for adoption. The interesting thing about this is it was pretty clear Jeb Bush knew there was a problem with this law at the time when he was governor. He didn't sign it, he didn't veto it. He sort of let it pass with the understanding that they were going to make a fix to this disclosure rules. Well, at times that is just two years to make that sick and in the meantime a court struck it down. It even violated the privacy rights of women and by the time that Jeb Bush signed a repeal of it in 2003, the court had already invalidated this law. And by the way, the really interesting thing about this is Marco Rubio also voted for this law. So it's difficult to see where their heads were at this time and what they're thinking in agreeing to go along with it.
[Costello:] And Cherie I just want you to respond to that. Public shaming in that way
[Jacobus:] Well, I don't think you should be calling it public shaming the effort of this was not
[Costello:] To write about who you think
[Jacobus:] The effort was designed and of course they knew it was flawed and they fixed but you have to support the efforts and trying to make sure that this poor child the split up for adoption
[Costello:] They knew it was flawed and they fixed it.
[Jacobus:] You can find you can find the father so that the biological family has every opportunity to nurture, love, and raise that child. Was it an inelegant way to do it. Yes, but this effort and the felling and the emphasis behind it is correct. If they get it right absolutely not. But it was not meant to shame the parent, the mother. It was meant to do everything they could to find
[Costello:] She was footing. They were putting their child up for adoption.
[Jacobus:] Right. And they're trying to at least let the father's family have some say in that. That was the effort it was not designed to shame the mother if that was the result that's why it didn't work. But that was not their intent. But it was not the perfect law but the intent behind that was definitely to help the child, putting the child first and I think that part's not support that
[Costello:] All right. Cherie Jacobus, Sara Murray thanks to both of you. I'll be right back.
[Jacobus:] Thank you.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Almost half past the hour here on NEW DAY, here's a look at your headlines. Breaking this morning: another chilling ISIS video surfaces. This time, the lives of two Japanese men are at stake, in exchange for $200 million. The jihadist in the video warns Japan's prime minister he has 72 hours to comply or those men will be beheaded. The prime minister of Japan responded by saying the international community shouldn't give in, but he stopped short of denying that Japan would consider paying that ransom. An international manhunt continues for the suspected ringleader of the Belgian terror cell that was targeted in a deadly raid last week. Authorities believe his last-known location is Greece. Anti-terror agents in Brussels also confirming a connection between the cell and ISIS. There's mounting concern this morning that surviving members of the group may seek revenge. Drama surrounding the sudden death of an Argentine prosecutor who had accused the country's president of working with Iran in the country's worst-ever terror attack. Alberto Nisman was found in his apartment dead from a gunshot wound to the head it happened just hours before he was expected to give damning testimony against President Christina Kirchner. At this point officials say all signs point to suicide. However opposition party leaders are calling this an assassination. Earthlings, I assume Chris and Alisyn that you are indeed earthlings or are you beings from another planet. The truth is finally out there on the web. Nearly 130,000 pages of declassified Air Force records on UFO sightings are now online. UFO enthusiast, John Greenwald, spent two decades appealing to the government for access to these documents. He just posted the fabled files known as "Project Blue Book" as well as the 1940s "Project Sign" and "Project Grudge" on his online database want to know where the two of you stand if indeed you are earthlings.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Well, I'm intrigued. Which one of us is going to pore through the 130,000 pages? Chris, do you have time tonight?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] I have time, but not to do that. Do you think there will be anything in it that gives a real certainty to the unknown of what was seen in the air like this could only be something that we've never seen before?
[Pereira:] Depending on who you ask, depending on where you stand on is there life out there.
[Cuomo:] And the government would put that in their files if there were such a thing? Very suspicious as they say down in Washington, D.C. namely a man named John King says that a lot, suspicious, the "Inside Politics" now on NEW DAY. What do you think? UFOs, up or down?
[John King, Cnn Host, "inside Politics":] I'm going through the files to find my way home.
[Camerota:] Back to the mother ship.
[Cuomo:] I'm sorry with the deflated ball, that's got to hurt, John.
[King:] Deflated ball is just whining, I was at the game. They got thumped. That's what happens. Super Bowl time, let's move on. Let's be uniters, not dividers. Let's get "Inside Politics" this morning on State Of The Union day here in Washington. With me to share their reporting and their insights are Lisa Lerer of "Bloomberg" and Ed O'Keefe of the "Washington Post." There's a lot of discussion in part because the White House leaked so much of the details early probably discussed not just leaked the details early of the president's State Of The Union Address. So let's get into the whys. The president tonight is going to say let's raise taxes on affluent Americans. He is going to say let's raise fees on big financial institutions and give some of that money back to the middle class, either tax credits or subsidized community college. He does this Lisa, knowing that the Republicans like none of it and they control both chambers of Congress. So what is the political calculation coming forward with this knowing you're going to get almost nothing?
[Lisa Lerer, "bloomberg News":] We're going to see the president in my prediction is we'll see him do two things tonight. One is shore up his legacy. He's going to talk about how the economy recovered. He knows and his advisers know that his tenure in the White House will be judged largely in large part by the economy. So we're going to see him make the case for how we've come out of the recovery and we're also going to see him and this is part of what you're talking about, lay out the rationale for his party going into 2016. He is still the head of the party for two more years. He wants to set the agenda for what the contours of the presidential debate are going to look like. He wants it to be framed around the issue of inequality as do many in his party.
[King:] And so do the Republicans run a risk here, Ed. They just won an election and they won convincingly, 31 governors, majority in the Senate, a bigger majority in the House, where they say they ran against this, they ran against big government, they ran against Washington telling states what to do. Yet, the president's poll numbers and your poll, "Washington Post"ABC poll up around 50 percent now. Back at 50 percent, Democrats must be saying why January, why didn't this come last October. But he's up around 50 percent and people feel better about the direction of the country. Let's look at the drop in wrong track from 2013 to 2015 here. People, majority still feel we're on the wrong track, but it's way down all of a sudden. So the president is in stronger standing. Do Republicans feel any risk in saying no, no, no.
[Ed O'keefe, "washington Post":] Absolutely, they do because they've got to prove to the American public over the next two years, just as he's trying to set the agenda for his party ahead of the elections, they've got to set an agenda and demonstrate competence and ability to govern as Mitch McConnell has said, to make it less scary to have a Republican president and a Republican Congress. And so if he continues to introduce these things that they're not going to agree with and continue to threaten vetoes on things they're moving through the capital at that time. It becomes a real challenge. They're going to have to at some point come up with something. It's not likely to get discussed tonight. They're going to have to appear to at least give him his moment and then go back to the drawing board and try to come up with something.
[Lerer:] And you know, you've already seen some folks that are talking about running in '16 on the Republican side talking about the inequality issue. This is something that many people in the country are very concerned about. So this puts them in a rough spot. Do they agree with the president on anything? That's always difficult if you're a Republican to be on the same side as Obama, particularly when you're heading into a Republican primary. It's not something Iowa voters are very keen on. It puts them in a uniquely challenging position, which, let's be honest, is a little bit the goal here.
[King:] Yes, the president is trying to put them in that position. It's interesting to watch, remember, Republicans, this is the first time in the Obama administration. They control both the Senate and the House. They can't just keep saying no. If they are going to say no, they have to have an alternative. You say especially not just for their party, but going into the 2016 cycle. One of the interesting things about the State Of The Union address, it's always big theater. There's a question as to whether it's less than it used to be. Let's look at it from the perspective of TV ratings. Back in 1994, four networks when Bill Clinton addressed the nation, 45.8 million viewers. Last year for President Obama, 13 different networks, 33.3 million viewers. So more options, but fewer eyeballs, how much of that is a factor in the fact that the president was out for a week or two in advance of the speech saying here's what I'm going to do. And he seems less worried about hitting the international road pretty quickly after thinking it's fine. I've made my case.
[Lerer:] I mean, it's a huge factor. The White House has been calling this a roll-in, rather than a roll-out, and they're trying to get the most publicity possible for these proposals. They understand the way the people consume the State Of The Union or how many people consume the State Of The Union at all has changed. So they're trying to find other outlets to get that to people. The White House would argue they're saving the institution of the State Of The Union by turning to social media and things like that. Other people might say look it doesn't seem very presidential to be sitting down with blue-haired YouTube stars, but I think that's the reality of the media world we live in today.
[King:] Since you mentioned that, let's take a look, among those, yes, the president has done some traditional media interviews, if you will, in the lead-up and I'm sure he'll do some after the State of the Union address. But among those who gets to sit down with the president tonight, this was announced last week, if you don't watch YouTube, then you don't know Glozell Green. Take a look.
[Glozell Green, Youtube Celebrity:] I have been asked to interview POTUS, the president of the United States of America. I know you're like, what did she just say? I know, the president of the United States. I'm so happy that I watch every episode of "Veep." I need questions, please, leave your comments and questions in the comment section. I wonder if anybody I'm going to play it cool. Yo, what's up? I'm ready, I'm ready!
[King:] You got to love the lips. A lot of people say this is un- presidential. I remember when the Bill Clinton went on to Arsenio Hall with his saxophone. I think you got to go with the eyeballs are, right? Different people to watch you not just people who always
[O'keefe:] Remember when he talked to Zach Galifianakis, "Between Two Ferns?" They could measure enough people watch that and then went to sign up for the Affordable Care Act. So to the White House, that's success. If it means talking to a blue-lipped lady, so be it. The other thing to keep in mind
[Lerer:] Online video viewing.
[O'keefe:] And that's the other thing, the White House itself is doing its own enhanced viewing. If you're not watching CNN, let's be honest, you should be tonight or Bloomberg or washingtonpost.com. They're doing this thing where it's like pop-up videos. Where they're going to be throwing up charts and graphs at the same time that he's speaking. They believe there's enough of an audience for that, too, now. If it's only 30 million people, they think three million are watching online.
[King:] Adopt to the environment you live in whether you like it or not. I guess, quickly on this one, a lot of talk about Mitt Romney last week and Jeb Bush, the establishment. Ted Cruz was in South Carolina at a Tea Party convention, making clear he doesn't think that's the right approach. Listen to this, he said, if we nominate a candidate in that mold, the same people who stayed home in 2008 and 2012 will stay home in 2016 and the Democrats will win again. He has said this before, but I found it interesting that he sort of made it a point to get some attention right after this RomneyBush boom.
[Lerer:] Right. Look, the folks on the more conservative side of the party see this RomneyBush infighting is great for them. Let those guys suck up all the oxygen over there and it will create more opportunities on the right. Of course, they are going to have their it's not like there's an empty field. What are we up to two dozen people who have said they are running for the Republican presidential nomination? So there are five or six guys on the more right-leaning side of the fence and so they're going to be fighting amongst each other, too.
[King:] Ideological splits, generational splits, it will be interesting to watch. We'll let 2016 presidential politics step aside a little bit tonight. When you watch the president tonight, one of the subplots is watch down on the Senate floor for mostly Republicans. But there's a Bernie Sanders down there. There's a Democrat, Elizabeth Warren. Let's watch how the Democrats who maybe, maybe, might want to run, to react.
[Camerota:] Let's do that, John. I thought that you were going to show me a little joke about that. But, no, you were being serious.
[King:] I was being serious about watching the Democrats, we decided to save the humor for tomorrow.
[Camerota:] OK, very good. I'll look forward to that. All right, John, thanks so much. Thanks for the preview too. All right, there's drama and mystery surrounding the global manhunt for the most wanted woman in the world. Where Amedy Coulibaly's wife may be this morning and how she got there. Plus, is sitting the new smoking? How much sitting puts your life at risk? Dr. Sanjay Gupta is here with what we all need to know.

[Baldwin:] Now to the heart of why you care and why I care. So much about this story here, this missing plane, it's not for the unknown, it's not for the unprecedented nature of this global search here. No, this is about the 239 people who have not seen, hugged, talked to their kids, their soul mates, their partners, family, friends in two weeks. And for the husband of one of these passengers, he gave CNN just this really personal glimpse of how his family's life has been now that it has been tragically interrupted. His wife is Chandrika Sharma. She is from India. She was on this plane just heading to Mongolia for work. Sharma's wrote a note to his friends and family just to thank them for their personal support, and he in turn shared it with us here at CNN.com. He wrote in part: "I remain focused on what we have at hand by way of information, and stay with the knowledge that Chandrika is strong and courageous," he goes, "that her goodness must count for something, somewhere." And CNN Digital's Moni Basu spoke with Sharma's husband and she wrote this piece. She called it "On Man's Quiet Reckoning on Flight 370." So, Moni, thank you so much for joining us on your vacation nonetheless. We really, really appreciate it. When I was reading your piece, what really jumped out at me at first was the fact that, unlike any of these other families who are in either Kuala Lumpur, Beijing, holed up in these rooms, he said he no. He wanted to stay home, didn't want to hang on every word of these daily press briefings. Why?
[Moni Basu, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Brooke. He chose to stay at home in the Indian city of Chennai, where he wanted to be surrounded by the people who loved him most, his daughter, his mother, his mother-in-law. He's a very quiet person. And what struck me by what he wrote was that quiet strength coming out in his words. He wasn't crying or publicly showing his grief. He sat down at his home and penned this very, very poignant letter to let all his friends know how he has been managing this time.
[Baldwin:] And that you found him, that you spoke with him on the phone, that he trusted you to share this very personal note with you and CNN and the world, will you do me a favor and read a little bit more of it for us?
[Basu:] Sure. He wrote that: "For now, I remain open to news that point to clear, incontrovertible evidence of what happened, and actions taken or afoot that can bring the whole incident to a satisfactory close. What is a priority is information that is a step closer to bringing Chandrika back, and for us to plan our next steps to redesign our life from here on." His daughter goes to college in Delhi. And she had come home to be with her father. And he went on to write that both he and his daughter are sort of reevaluating how they might rebuild a daily routine and manage their anxiety and longing for she for her mother and he for his wife.
[Baldwin:] And, in the meantime, you write about in terms of him passing the time, he mentioned how he is really trying to stay in the present by meditating.
[Basu:] Yes. He practices a very ancient form of meditation in India, and he has relied on that meditation to keep his calm. He told me he doesn't really believe in miracles. He wrote that miracles are a way of making sense of what apparently does not make sense. And so he is very practical about the news that he finally may get one day soon. But at the same time, he said that living practicing the meditation and keeping calm is the way that he copes with his anxiety.
[Baldwin:] And this is just one story, one face of the 239 different people on board that plane. Moni Basu, thank you so much. And, please, we urge you to read Moni's full article. Go to CNN.com. It's called again "One Man's Quiet Reckoning" on our home page, CNN.com. Coming up next, we will continue to answer your questions. And let me tell you, you have a lot of them. You have tweeted me, again, my Twitter handle, @BrookeBCNN. You are asking about submarines in the search. You're asking about the cockpit recordings, why we haven't heard more of this transcript yet. And we have told you about the numerous resources all these countries, including the United States, are putting into this search. So, we will take a closer look at the equipment, the ships, the planes, the helicopters, and what challenges they face over these vast ocean seas.

[Blackwell:] 17 minutes till the top of the hour. We are going to tell you about a pretty grim discovery by Michigan police. The body of 22- year-old Theresa Dekeyser. It was found Thursday at a storage site in Plymouth Township. She'd been missing since June. Listen to this. Police say her body was stuffed inside a 55-gallon barrel sealed with cement. Dekeyser's boyfriend, seen here, is being held on unrelated drug charges and is considered a suspect in her disappearance. Because officials say the two got into a fight the night before she vanished. Now, it's still unclear how Dekeyser was killed, but police used a tattoo, her clothing and jewelry to identify her body.
[Paul:] And let's talk about this major break now in the case of missing University of Virginia student Hannah Graham. One week after the straight A student and really as they were saying, an accomplished athlete disappeared, police say they're now zeroing in on one person in particular.
[Blackwell:] They executed two search warrants yesterday and searched the car of a man they believe was with Graham the night she disappeared.
[Paul:] Graham was last seen at a downtown mall after living dinner with friends. She has not been seen or heard from since, but here's CNN Jean Casarez who has been looking into this.
[Chief Timothy Longo, Charlottesville Police:] And I want to make one thing absolutely clear. This press conference and every press conference hereafter is about one thing and one thing only, and that is finding Hannah.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] It was one week ago University of Virginia sophomore Hannah Graham suddenly vanished. Forensic investigators spent Friday searching an apartment complex, carrying out a number of sealed paper bags. Police also searched and seized a vehicle at that same complex.
[Sgt. Jim Mooney, Charlottesville Police:] We have every reason to believe that Ms. Graham was in that vehicle.
[Casarez:] They believe the man driving was a man seen in video surveillance early last Saturday morning.
[Mooney:] An additional video shows that same black male with dreadlocks with his hands around Hannah Graham's waist.
[Casarez:] Authorities say the two went into the Tempo restaurant.
[Mooney:] He purchased alcohol there and we know that Hannah Graham was with him. We also know that within 15 minutes they were gone from that bar and that his car was seen leaving the area on video.
[Casarez:] Police describe the man as black, 32 years old, 6'2", 270 pounds with dreadlocks. Meanwhile, as investigators continue to pore over any leads, Hannah's friends focus on seeing her again.
[Lori Galloway, Hannah Graham's Friend:] We can't really wrap our heads around all of this because you were such a vibrant presence and full of joyous love and life. We want to bring you home.
[Casarez:] Jean Casarez, CNN, Charlottesville, Virginia.
[Blackwell:] And we'll have a former FBI special agent with us later in the show to talk about some of the elements of this story and the search for Hannah. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell breaks his silence and faces the media amidst the league's domestic abuse scandal. Answers some tough questions.
[Paul:] Yeah, but as a lot of people are saying were the answers enough, especially to protect the embattled league and save his own job. We'll talk about that.

[Lu Stout:] Welcome back. And now to a behind the scenes look at the battle against ISIS. A CNN crew managed to get inside Kobani, the city at the heart of that battle in northern Syria. It is a key target for ISIS as it fights to expand its territory to the Turkish border. And CNN's Nick Paton Walsh went to the front line with some of the fighters trying to keep the city from falling to the radical militants. And a warning, some of the images may be disturbing to some viewers.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] From inside Kobani, the days ferocity gets no respite at night, a prize so small, but so valued that violence seems to swallow it whole, grinding its streets down to the bone. We're heading to the front line where nightly, daily, ISIS hoped to advance with Meedya, a Kurdish female fighter also in their egalitarian world this unit's commander. Coalition air power did this, pushing ISIS back. They abandon their dead as they retreat, the decaying smell haunts these front lines. Some call it Kobanigrad after the city Stalin sacrificed to make a point. Little left here, but a bulwark of Kurdish defiance 20 meters from ISIS. They think they see something in the rubble.
[Walsh:] Even after coalition support, desperately in need of better arms. It's the kind of exchanges that happen here hourly. ISIS literally meters to that side shooting at this position, but receiving return fire as well. This surely wasn't the death ISIS recruits were sold in their propaganda videos. Mortars are often used, so we pull back.
[Unidentified Male:] Up against the wall. You against the wall.
[Walsh:] Meedya is 22 and has been within five meters of ISIS. Here, friends are made and lost. Her best friend Reeban died saving others.
[Meedya Raqqa, Ypg Kurdish Commander:] There were very heavy clashes with ISIS. We were outnumbered and out of ammunition. She herself was injured, but she advanced to help save the other injured with her. ISIS surrounded her, because girls are very prized by them. She then blew herself up and killed a lot of them with her. I was near her then. Her last words were to me were, we will liberate our land with the last drop of blood in my body.
[Walsh:] The men bring us tea. This is the polar opposite of ISIS's worldview. They cannot afford to stop the fight, even if that means there's little left to live on when they do.
[Lu Stout:] Our senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is with us now from Gaziantep in Turkey. And Nick, in your report just then we got the opportunity to meet Meedya. She is 22-years-old. She is a Kurdish YPG commander. She is certainly brave. And she's also young. I mean, how well trained are the YPG fighters in Kobani fighting ISIS?
[Walsh:] Well, they have been doing this for awhile. And obviously in any war, particularly Syria now, those doing the fighting get younger and younger. But in fact Meedya said to us she'd been involved in the fight against ISIS and whatever different forms it had in Syria's civil war for a couple of years now. So, certainly experienced, but obviously not trained as part of a professional army, as we would say in the west, but making the best of what they have. And you saw there the weapons often old, often jam on them. They do have Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga in that town with their own heavy weaponry assisting them. But they still lack ammunition and they see the coalition in the skies and high-tech war planes, but themselves are holding ISIS back on the ground there with Kalashnikovs as you saw Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Thank you very much indeed for your reporting. Nick Paton Walsh reporting live from Gaziantep, Turkey, a witness to war, a witness to that damage caused by that savage fighting in Kobani. Thank you, Nick. Now a same sex marriage becomes legal and a growing number of countries. Gay couples in some places are still forced to live secret lives. Japan is one country that does not officially recognize same-sex unions, but as CNN's Will Ripley reports, there are signs of change.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] There is perhaps no greater symbol of ancient Japan than its former capital Kyoto, home to some 1,600 temples, centuries of time honored tradition.
[Takafumi Kawakami, Buddhist Priest:] It's not like we have to keep the tradition the way it is.
[Ripley:] This Zen Buddhist priest is breaking with old idea.
[Kawakami:] We welcome every couple regardless of their faith or sexual orientation.
[Ripley:] A controversial decision, making Shunkoin Temple the first in Japan officially offering same-sex weddings. The ceremonies are only symbolic. Japan doesn't recognize gay unions.
[Kawakami:] Some people say, oh, this is against Japanese traditional value about marriage.
[Ripley:] Open sexual relationships between Japanese men date back to ancient times. Greater western influence in the 19th Century made it taboo. Today, many gays and lesbians lead secret lives. What is the state of gay rights in Japan? "Japan still has not LGBT protection laws. Lawmakers aren't even talking about it," says LGBT activity Maki Muraki. She says coming out can mean getting fired, evicted, or denied health care. And there's no legal recourse. "If more people come out and get married, it will increase LGBT awareness. It'll lead to marriage equality and workplace equality," she says. Equality for couples like Kaziuki Menami and Matsumi Yoshida, together for 14 years. "I like him. I love him. I love being with him. He makes me want to work harder," he says. They hope some day Japanese law will allow them to start a family. "I'm a man who loves a man, but I have the same life as a straight person." The same life, but not the same rights. In traditional Japan, things are slowly changing. Many in the gay community say there's still a long way to go. Will Ripley, CNN, Osaka, Japan.
[Lu Stout:] All right, coming up, a new launch time for the Orion. It is set to launch 8:26 a.m. Eastern time, that's just minutes from now. We're keeping an eye on the launchpad in Florida right here on News Stream.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone. It's 11 p.m. in New York, and this is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Don Lemon. Our breaking news, New York and the nation on alert tonight over Ebola. Dr. Craig Spencer who returned from treating Ebola patients in West Africa on October 17th, he is infected. He is in isolation in Bellevue Hospital right now in New York City. He had close contact with at least three friends who are now all quarantined. Another, a taxi driver is not considered at risk at the moment. Want to get straight to CNN's Poppy Harlow who is at Bellevue Hospital where they just wrapped up a press conference a short time ago including the mayor of New York City and the governor. Both of them saying New Yorkers should not be worried. But I'm not sure how much that will translate to people who don't know that much about this disease. Who say there are still too many unknowns when it comes to this virus Poppy.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] It's a good point, Don, but can't reiterate enough that New Yorkers should operate, officials are saying, as normal because this disease, Ebola, is so hard to contract. It is not an airborne disease. You contract it by transmission of bodily fluids and it becomes increasingly contagious the more symptomatic the patient becomes. This doctor, the 33-year-old who returned from treating Ebola patients in Guinea, just developed that 103-degree fever this morning. Sometime between 10:00 and 11:00 a.m. he did not leave his apartment after that except for when the first responders came in their hazmat gear, et cetera, to properly transport him here to Bellevue Hospital. The hospital designated by New York City to deal with a situation just like this. But, you know, of course there's concern because we learned at the press conference that he indeed took a number of different subway trains in the city. He took a taxi to Brooklyn last night to go bowling. He went to a restaurant, he walked on the high line, which is an elevated park in New York City. So he was out and about. In addition to him being quarantined and treated here behind me at Bellevue Hospital, you have one other person being treated being quarantined here and monitored. It is believed to likely be his girlfriend and then also two friends that are also in isolation at their respective homes at this time but, again, the governor and the mayor saying it is highly unlikely that any other New Yorker would be contracting this and saying there is no better health system in the country, they say, than New York to take care of this. No better hospital to take care of this than where I'm standing, Bellevue.
[Lemon:] And Poppy, let's talk about that a little bit because during the press conference the governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, said there are eight hospitals in New York state who are equipped for Ebola.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Lemon:] Right? Who can do the most intense Ebola treatment. Two hundred hospitals in the state he says all of them are ready but they can't do the intensive treatment that they believe is needed for this.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Lemon:] But Bellevue Hospital, one of those hospitals, and he said that was the right thing to do considering what just transpired today.
[Harlow:] Well, yes, I mean, it is the one. I mean, we might have some photos to show you from two weeks ago, October 8th. They ran a big drill here in front of the media showing us their emergency department, quarantine centers there. There's the isolation unit right upstairs. They were preparing for exactly that. We heard the New York City health commissioner speak today and she said tonight that we've been preparing for this for months. So knowing that this could come to New York City, knowing what a densely populated city this is they have been certainly preparing for this. It was asked in the press conference, will the doctor remain to be treated here? Will he be transferred, say, to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta where we've seen some successful treatment or to Nebraska? They said that has not been determined at this time. One other question that we still have outstanding is what kind of treatment he's getting. We know the state that this patient is in, the 33-year-old doctor, according to the mayor earlier today said that he was in, quote, good shape. That's positive. But we don't know, for example, will he get any of those experimental treatments, Don, like ZMapp which we know is in very short, to no surprise, supply. So what kind of treatment is he going to get? I think they're really just assessing it. It's only been a matter of hours since that positive came back.
[Lemon:] Poppy Harlow, thank you very much. Let's get some of those answers, I'm sure Dr. Sanjay Gupta can help us out here. He's our chief medical correspondent. Doctor, before we go through a timeline here, what let's talk about what Poppy said. What might his treatment be?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] Well, we know that the patients, you know, certainly even in Dallas have received blood transfusion which is really a plasma transfusion. You'll remember, Don, Nurse Nina Pham received that. What that is, is basically taking a blood of someone who has had Ebola and then survived it and taking their plasma which has antibodies in it that can help fight Ebola and transfusing that into a newly infected person. So that is an option. There's also the option, as we talked about for some time now, the experimental medications that Poppy mentioned. You'll remember, Don, that Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol received ZMapp, that is one of the experimental medications. There's no supply of that right now. But there are other experimental medications. So my guess is both of those things are going to be options and he may receive one or both of those as well. We don't know for sure. There's not been scientific data to say that they absolutely worked but certainly they have been used several times now both in the United States and in West Africa. So that those are going to be sort of the treatments that he'll receive. The main thing, though, is making sure he is fluid, he gets enough fluid. If he's having any bleeding problems he can be given blood and that, you know, he'd be taken care of in the hospital in that regard.
[Lemon:] OK. Dr. Gupta, let's go through some of the timeline here. What they said during the press conference. They said he was working in Guinea with Doctors Without Borders. He finished that on the 11th
[Gupta:] 12th.
[Lemon:] The 12th of October. And then he left the 14th via Europe and then he arrived at JFK on October 17th and said he was told to check his temperature twice a day. And then October 21st he began feeling tired but that was between 10 and 11 days after he returned, he started getting a fever but he also got on the subway, he spent time with his girlfriend and two other friends. He went to a bowling alley. He went to a restaurant. He walked on the high line. He got into an Uber taxi. And on and on and on here. The question is, should Dr. Spencer have self-quarantined when he got back to the United States 10 days ago?
[Gupta:] You know, it's a very interesting question and a lot of people are going to hear you ask that right now, Don, and they're screaming at their television set saying, of course, he should have self- quarantined. It would have been the judicious, prudent, responsible thing to do. And, you know, I think that makes a lot of sense in many ways. I want to remind you and I know you know this, Don, but the science suggests this, that someone is not going to transmit this virus until they are sick so while he was doing those things, you know, on the subway, bowling, my understanding is at a restaurant, my understanding is, and you have to if we're taking him at his word obviously here is that he wasn't having any symptoms at that time. And certainly someone who is quite sick with Ebola probably is unlikely to be up bowling but, you know, just in this abundance of caution which is a term we've heard a lot over the last month or so, somebody who's had intensive contact in West Africa with patients with Ebola taking care of them as a health care worker. When he got back to the United States in addition to taking his temperature twice a day should he have basically just eliminated his contact with other people. You know, there may be some real value in that. The CDC has been unclear as far as I can tell and if there hasn't been strict guidance on saying these people should be quarantined and that's, Don, is going to be a question they need to answer.
[Lemon:] So, listen, what do we know about the four people that he came in contact with? As I understand, obviously he is in the hospital. Two of his friends are in quarantine and I think the other person he came in contact with I'm assuming is his girlfriend, also according to the health commissioner, the New York City is in the hospital as well tonight but not showing any signs of Ebola?
[Gupta:] That's what my understanding was. I took the same thing away from that as you. She sounds like the person he had the most intensive contact with and that's why she is in the hospital and in quarantine, as well. Not showing any symptoms. You'll remember, Don, again with Mr. Duncan, he's somebody that we had gotten to know, you know, he was the person who got sick in Dallas, ultimately died, but was in his apartment or he was in an apartment for two days after showing symptoms with friends and family members and none of them got sick. So it is that's potentially good news for these other people who are now being observed, you know, Dr. Spencer's contacts.
[Lemon:] OK.
[Gupta:] The likelihood of them getting sick is very low but obviously they have to monitor them and make sure that they take their temperature.
[Lemon:] All right. Stand by, Sanjay. I want to get to Miguel Marquez who is in Harlem tonight in front of the apartment building of Dr. Spencer. And as I understand, the Health Department has been to Dr. Spencer's apartment that they are what are they telling residents, Miguel?
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, two things, they are finding the neighborhood with public health officials today handing out these cards, telling people exactly, both in English and in Spanish, telling them exactly the concerns about Ebola, how you get it and where you have to be concerned. The other thing they're doing and more importantly is want to find out not only in this building but around the neighborhood. Everybody we speak to along the neighborhood seems to remember this individual. Who came in contact with him over the last several days, who might they have to worry about. Who do they need to get in contact now that that test has come back positive? I can tell you that the folks in this neighborhood all afternoon have been pretty mellow, very kind of cool, but now that this test has come back positive, there was a switch that went off. There was an increased police presence after that. More people in the neighborhood coming by to see the building and people who live in the building now not running in fear or not seeing people packing up their belongings in that building but they are now beginning to wonder should I take more precautions, all the other things I can do. I need to be a little more vigilant and a little aware. Certainly the fact that he took the one the one train, the A train, the L train, and was in public parks is going to concern people as well and they are going to begin to wonder if they have seen this guy and on the train next to him in the last couple of days and should they be worried about the next time they get a sniffle Don.
[Lemon:] A train, one train, L train. Thank you very much. We appreciate that, Miguel Marquez, in Harlem in front of Dr. Spencer's apartment building. I want to bring in now New York Congressman Charlie Rangel. He's on the phone. Congressman Rangel, this is your this is your district. What are health officials telling you? Are they keeping you updated?
[Rep. Charlie Rangel , New York:] No question. I've been in touch with the city as well as the White House and the Centers for Disease Control, and that's not nearly as important as I am concerned about the feeling of fears that the people have in the district and I am so confident that the sophistication that my constituents have, it just so happens I've had six community meetings and all of the people knew that there was an Ebola victim living in our district that was in Bellevue Hospital. But we recognize that we had hoped that it didn't happen in West Africa. We certainly hope it didn't happen in Dallas. And we are concerned it didn't happen in our congressional district but we never felt more secure with the medical delivery system that we have and that close cooperation that we've had before this in terms of being prepared, so, of course, we're not relaxed, but there has been no concern about being panicked about an unfortunate thing that we're certain that if it happened to have happened anywhere, we wish it wasn't in our city, but for the good of the world, we are better prepared than anybody else to deal with it.
[Lemon:] Congressman, but, indeed, you're hearing, you're hearing this directly from your constituents, from the people of New York and Harlem in your district saying that they are they're not concerned about it? Are you assuming that
[Rangel:] I didn't say that.
[Lemon:] OK.
[Rangel:] What I'm saying is that we are concerned. We wish it didn't happen in our we wish it didn't happen anywhere but we are confident that our health and absolute cooperation working with the state and that several conversations I've had today that if it had to happen anywhere in America, that no community will be better able to deal with it than a city of New York and Bellevue Hospital in my district. Not my district but in Manhattan, so what we're saying is that we we hope that we can really you know, we're learning every day what happened in Dallas, what happened everywhere.
[Lemon:] Right.
[Rangel:] And certain things that we have to recognize helps us. The victim was a doctor. He's sharing with our experts how he felt, when he felt, what he is doing. And no one really has threatened us with walking by people that it's contagious.
[Lemon:] Yes. OK, I think, Congressman, I think you're right. Everyone gets it. I was just wondering if you had heard directly from your constituents. But I appreciate you joining us, sir, tonight. We'll get back to you, Congressman Rangel, if there are any more developments. Thank you very much. I want to turn now to the doctors, Dr.Devi Nampiaparampil, I will call her Dr. Devi. Dr. Alexander Garza, and Gavin McGregor-Skinner, Juliette Kayyem and also Dr. Alexander Van Tulleken. Of course Juliette Kayyem, I elevated her but she's also very knowledgeable on this. Let's turn to the doctors in front of me. New York City Office of Emergency Management expected to activate its emergency operations center in Brooklyn. That's according to a law enforcement agency official. She also says the immediate focus is to track down anyone who may have come in contact with Dr. Spencer. Investigators are taking this seriously because they are concerned it appears that he didn't self-quarantine. The official said according to the same official the doctor took an Uber cab which we know they confirmed and Uber confirmed to us as well. Bowling alley again that is confirmed. In Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and also he took the train and went to a restaurant. Also walked in the High Line. So Congressman Rangel is saying, Dr. Van Tulleken, that he is very confident. Should he be as confident as he is? Should the people of New York be as confident as the congressman is?
[Dr. Alexander Van Tulleken, Cnn Medical Analyst:] Well, he is in a very interesting position. Because I think I'm not sure he should be that confident, actually. I mean, he's one of the people in charge, he's one of the authorities. And I don't think the authorities should be feeling confident. I think they should be feeling very worried and they should be at the abundance of caution is the least of it. I mean, they should be tracking down absolutely everyone. Taking every measure they can to make people feel safe.
[Lemon:] Very worried why?
[Van Tulleken:] Because we've got a case of Ebola and because he's been out in the city potentially symptomatic. But it's really important to say they should be worried, they should be out all night working really hard on it. The rest of us should get a good night's sleep, not worry about it, and I'll be on the
[Lemon:] Well, here's you know, everyone says we don't you know, we don't want people to panic but don't you want people to shouldn't it be an overabundance of caution rather than saying no, it's not a big deal, whatever you can this won't happen. We're you know. Isn't there overconfidence in the beginning of this?
[Van Tulleken:] Exactly. And that's what I'm saying. I mean, I think the congressman is saying we feel really confident. That isn't the mood you want. I think what we want is for him to feel very nervous, for him to be working extremely hard to make sure everyone is traced down all those authorities. I think the rest of us I don't think anyone in New York should change their behavior tomorrow.
[Lemon:] You're not worried because you and I talked about riding the train.
[Van Tulleken:] Right.
[Lemon:] You're not worried about that.
[Van Tulleken:] I mean I live five blocks away from him. I will be going out to the bars tonight exactly where he was.
[Lemon:] Five blocks away from him.
[Van Tulleken:] You let me know.
[Lemon:] About 15 blocks away from me. All in the same neighborhood. But do you what about the confidence level here? You said you don't believe that it's my question to you as we were listening to the press conference is if they're going to go and they're going to sanitize this bowling alley, if the airplane that he was transported on, if that's being taken out of service to be cleaned, why not the subway system? Why not other why not the restaurant?
[Dr. Devi Nampiaparampil, Assistant Professor, Nyu School Of Medicine:] Well, I agree with you. Yes. I agree with you. I mean, that's the whole problem that we've seen all along, right? We're telling people that it's safe that you have to be exposed to bodily fluids which is true but then at the same time we send a different message when we say OK, let's sanitize all these other areas that he went to before he was sick, so I think that's the confusion. If it wasn't the subway, if it was something much easier to sanitize or evaluate I think people would just say do it and then that would be the end of it. But with the subway you have a much more practical problem. How many people come in to the subway, how many people were on this car, and tourists, you know, how are you going to track them if they came in and then they left and they're not watching the news. It's very difficult to actually do that so in terms of, you know, whether people should worry or not, I don't think they should worry in the sense that, you know, he wasn't symptomatic at that time, and the likelihood of bodily fluids being there is very low but at the same time these missteps send kind of mixed message do kind of confuse people.
[Lemon:] And as you guys have been saying, it's not binary. Right? Because when you think about
[Nampiaparampil:] Right.
[Lemon:] You know, last night, you know, I worked late. We went out, a couple of people had a drink, or whatever and then all of a sudden you wake up the next day and you have a fever. So it's not binary. But I mean, is I mean, this is like, all of a sudden I'm not symptomatic until I get that fever? That's not true, is it?
[Van Tulleken:] No. No. I mean, what you're looking at is a gradual increase
[Lemon:] Right.
[Van Tulleken:] with the amount of virus in his in his bodily fluids. And at the time that he's you know, the time that we're concerned about, it will be very low. And we know this because other people have traveled on airplanes, Thomas Eric Duncan's relatives in the house with him and they didn't catch it.
[Lemon:] The health care workers.
[Van Tulleken:] The health care workers were exposed to bodily fluids with you know, millions of millions of bioparticles in tiny amounts. And at that point it's very infectious.
[Lemon:] Let's talk about the readiness of New York City now. Here's the governor at the press conference a short time ago.
[Gov. Andrew Cuomo , New York:] We have had a full coordinated effort that has been working literally night and day, coordinating city, state and federal resources, coordinating and drilling from airports to transportations to subway stations to ambulances, to hospitals, so we are as ready as one could be for this circumstance. We had 5,000 health care workers in the Javits Center who would be drilled on just this situation.
[Lemon:] OK. So they say, Juliette Kayyem, they have been preparing for this for months. Let's see what this is Ron Klain, who is the Ebola czar, has been in contact with the governor. Sylvia Burrell for the from HHS has been in contact. Also the head of the CDC Thomas Frieden also spoke at that press conference, also been in touched. The CDC is sending a go team here. What about the preparedness of New York City?
[Juliette Kayyem, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, you know, look, there's no city like New York City. I was at the Department of Homeland Security sort of stands by itself in terms of its preparedness partially as a result of, of course, 911 but also the resources it has. And they have been drilling and you know we talked about some of the mistakes made in the past. One was clearly statements made by government officials that we were safe from Ebola. Now I'm not a doctor, as I as you said, you could predict someone was going to come here and not just one or two or three but we're a big country with a lot of travelers and a lot of people going back and forth.
[Lemon:] Juliette
[Kayyem:] And so
[Lemon:] But here's the thing.
[Kayyem:] Go ahead.
[Lemon:] So and I think Anderson and I talked about it, you know, right after the press conference. You know this is the most populous city and you guys can weigh in, as well. This is the most populous city in the country. People get around mostly through mass transit here. We're on the governor even said it. We're on top of each other here so obviously it's not airborne.
[Kayyem:] Right.
[Lemon:] But still there are a lot of unknowns when it comes to this
[Kayyem:] But
[Lemon:] Gut go ahead, Juliette.
[Kayyem:] That's but no, so this is the challenge of Homeland Security, right? That it is as much about the homeland as it is about security. We could have a reaction. There's no question about it. We could satisfy the hysteria and say we're going to close down the A- train. You cannot live in a modern society like ours and close down an entire metro subway system in New York City because of one patient. So what you do is you focus on the patient, where was he for long periods of time, who was he with. And this is the constant balancing but any notion that we're going to bring down the system or close it because of a threat that we can now predict and that we are now training people to protect us from is just it's not sustainable in our modern global society and that's going to be a constant balance. And I think that's what Governor Cuomo was getting to.
[Lemon:] And Dr. Gavin, you know, I think people are rightfully or wrongfully, people are concerned about the unknown. This is you know, we deal with a lot of diseases that we get we deal with the flu and chicken pox and all of it. And we deal with all those things. But this is something that is unknown and newly introduced to America and I think people are concerned about that and it does raise a question, as I spoke with Dr. Gupta about this, about self- quarantining workers who have worked closely with Ebola patients once they return not only to America but to other places where there is no outbreak.
[Gavin Mcgregor-skinner, Elizabeth R. Griffin Foundation:] No, again, and I just want to back to that, Don. CDC does have guidance. They term is Conditional Release and Controlled Movement. And those with us within the profession that deal with Ebola patients we know what that guidance is. The problem that Sanjay identified it's so hard to find these paper-based documents on the CD Web site. And actually find the one paragraph that refers to the guidance so it's not easily found and it's not common knowledge. But if you're with them in the profession you know that guidance is there. But I do have confidence in the New York system. And I think what we haven't talked about tonight, Don, is the disparity between the all the hospitals within the country. When the CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden said all the hospitals in the U.S. have to be prepared what he didn't tell us was how much that's going to cost. And as we found in New York, those hospitals that have money are able to have a 12-month exercise program, they're able to drill, drill and drill, that gives you the confidence and the practice and the rehearsal and the training to be prepared for highly infectious diseases like Ebola. We saw this after the Boston marathon bombing. The hospitals in Boston were prepared for disasters and emergencies like this because they practice and train and drill, drill, drill. Hospitals like Dallas don't we know weren't going through that same process and I get phone calls every day from hospitals around the country saying, come and help us be prepared and what do we need to do. We need to get up there and go through those what-if scenarios and drill, drill, drill, and that's what's lacking across the U.S. health care system to show that all the hospitals have a consistent approach and are ready for Ebola.
[Lemon:] Dr. Garza, are you in agreement with this?
[Dr. Alexander Garza, Former Assistant Secretary Of Health Affairs, Dhs:] Yes, by and large, yes, although I would caveat it with it's very difficult to train every health care provider out there to be able to take care of very complex and infectious patients, and so I think New York City and New York state made a very bold and correct step by designating those eight hospitals within their state as Ebola treatment facilities. And I wouldn't be surprised to see other states falling in line. You saw an announcement from Rick Perry a couple of days ago. The governor of Texas demonstrating, you know, these are the two hospitals that will be treating Ebola patients in the state of Texas and so it is important that all health care workers are trained and provided equipment to do I think the initial sort of resuscitation. But I also think it's important that certain facilities be designated as those go-to places because these are very complex and very infectious patients.
[Lemon:] All right. Thank you very much. Everybody, stand by. We have got a lot to get to tonight about Ebola. A doctor returning from Guinea who had treated patients Ebola patients in Guinea now testing positive for Ebola and also spending time before he tested positive out in public here in New York City. Listen, I need to update you on something here because earlier this evening here on CNN we reported on Dr. Spencer, him visiting a bowling alley. That was one of the places that he visited last night. The bowling alley we showed and the name on the graphic was incorrect. They were incorrect and the actual bowling alley Dr. Spencer visited in Brooklyn was The Gutter. We heard the health commissioner in New York mentioned the name during the press conference this evening. The alley, that alley is temporarily closed and will be visited by health officials tomorrow. CNN does regret that error. Again, we want to make sure we get everything correct here when it comes to this particular story and again, as all of the officials have been saying here, we should not panic, but we should also be cautious and overabundance of caution, if you will. That's how health workers are treating it, that's how the government is treating it, and that's how you should treat it as well as a citizen. Lots to come here on CNN. We'll talk about Ebola and also to talk about breaking news here in New York City. Police officers attacked by a man wielding a hatchet. Sources say there may be, there may be ties to radical Islam and to jihad. We'll be right back.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Happening now, a SITUATION ROOM special report. Breaking news tonight: all U.S. flights to and from Israel canceled. A new FAA ban is now in effect after a rocket attack and a dramatic in-flight diversion. Israel's top aviation official standing by to respond in an exclusive interview. Plus, deadly new attacks on Gaza. We will get a live update from the scene, as U.S. attempts to promote a cease-fire go late into the night. And the U.S. releases new intelligence in the downing of Malaysia Flight 17. There's more confusion at the crash site and growing outrage about reports of looting and evidence tampering. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Jerusalem. You're in
[The Situation Room. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] And let's get right to the breaking news tonight. All U.S. flights to and from Israel grounded. It is a very rare order by the FAA and it is driving home the danger to civilians as Israeli forces battle Hamas militants. Other countries are suspending flights to Israel as well. There is enormous concern right now about flying over war zones after the shoot-down of Malaysia Flight 17. We have our correspondents, analysts, newsmakers, they're all standing by. We are following all the new developments here in the Middle East and in the Ukraine crash. First, more on the breaking news affecting thousands of travelers in the United States and around the world. Hamas has threatened to aim its rockets at Israel's main airport. And this time, one landed dangerously close, hitting a nearby town and damaging a home. That forced a Delta plane from New York to Tel Aviv to divert in midflight and land in Paris. CNN's John Vause was on board.
[John Vause, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Out of an abundance of caution, they have decided to reroute the plane, now heading back to Paris.
[Blitzer:] Now the FAA has banned all U.S. airlines some flying to and from Israel for at least 24 hours because of security concerns. Other international airlines also are canceling flights to Israel, including Lufthansa, KLM and Air France. As Israel presses ahead with its assault on Hamas targets in Gaza, Secretary of State John Kerry met with Egyptian and Arab League officials in Cairo to push for a cease-fire.
[John Kerry, U.s. Secretary Of State:] The loss of lives and the humanitarian impact is really heartbreaking.
[Blitzer:] The death toll on both sides is rising. Most of Israel's casualties are troops, including a missing soldier, now believed to be dead after the ambush of an armored personnel carrier, according to Israeli media, and two Israeli-American soldiers killed during fighting in Gaza, one of them a Texas native. His funeral held in Israel, drawing thousands of mourners. More funerals in Gaza as well. The United Nations says up to 80 percent of Palestinians killed in the fighting are civilians.
[Unidentified Male:] The pressure is mounting. And I hope this massacre will stop.
[Blitzer:] U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and urged both sides to agree to a cease- fire.
[Ban Ki-moon, United Nations Secretary-general:] My message to Israelis and Palestinians is the same: Stop fighting. Start talking.
[Blitzer:] Prime Minister Netanyahu argued that ultimately there isn't much Israel can do to satisfy Hamas because he says they are terrorists who want to kill civilians and wipe out Israel.
[Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister:] Hamas is like ISIS. Hamas is like al Qaeda. Hamas is like Hezbollah. Hamas is like Boko Haram. In the face of such terror, Israel has no options but to defend itself.
[Blitzer:] The Palestinian death toll in Gaza now is up to 630. At least 30 Israelis have also died, 28 soldiers, two civilians. Let's go live to Gaza right now for the very latest on the fighting there. Karl Penhaul is on the scene. What are you seeing, Karl? What are you hearing?
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] You're absolutely right, Wolf. That debt toll continues to mount, now more than 630. That means effectively in the last 24 hours there have been around 80 deaths. Of course, the United Nations still insisting that between 70 and 80 percent of the casualties are in fact civilians, noncombatants. But, tonight, now that night has fallen, we are once again hearing heavy artillery fire. And it looks to be coming just from the east of Gaza City. We have also seen some flares up in the sky. That in previous nights has tended to indicate that Israeli ground troops are on the move, difficult to see here exactly. The reason they are putting those illumination flares into the sky is that a lot of the Israeli troops don't appear, at least from the night-vision scope video that we have seen, they don't seem to be operating with night-vision goggles. That's why in the last phases of maneuver, they are putting those illumination rounds up. We have seen that tonight. Does that mean that Israeli ground forces are coming deeper into Gaza? Could well be. As I say, that's been backed at certain points throughout the evening with heavy artillery fire as well, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Looks like no end in sight, at least for now. Let's see if the cease-fire can be achieved in the coming days. Karl Penhaul in Gaza, thanks very much. Let's get back now to the dramatic new development. The FAA back in Washington temporarily banning all U.S. flights to and from Israel's main airport that would be Ben Gurion International Airport after a Hamas rocket from Gaza landed not very far away. Joining us now for an exclusive interview, the director of Israel's Civil Aviation Authority, Giora Romm. Mr. Romm, thanks very much for joining us. Your reaction to what the U.S. government has decided to at least for 24 hours ban all U.S. flights in and out of Israel?
[Giora Romm, Director, Israeli Civil Aviation Authority:] Hello, Wolf. Yes, there was a decision there is a decision, an FAA decision to hold all-American flights for the next 24 hours. We held a conference call with the FAA officials about an hour ago in which we gave them full analysis of the precautions that Israel has taken in the last 15 days, how we conducted full operational airport, the Ben Gurion Airport. And we are awaiting their decision.
[Blitzer:] Well, they make the point and we just heard it again from the White House Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes, who told, as the FAA said in their statement, that this rocket landed within a mile of the Ben Gurion International Airport. We showed our viewers the damage that was done to that home there. Isn't it wise now to err on the side of caution, if rockets are getting so close to the airport? Maybe it would be smart to avoid flying into Ben Gurion, at least for the time being?
[Romm:] Wolf, we are now about 2,200 rockets later and 15 days of fight and about 6,000 flights. And not even a single rocket landed in Ben Gurion. And it is not a miracle and not a trick. We know how to defend Ben Gurion, period. And we know how to do it. We have prepared ourselves. We know how to conduct air traffic management. We know how to safeguard Ben Gurion. And we know that that rocket was going to impact a point across the fence of Ben Gurion. And for different reasons, we let it impact that house in Yehud. But Ben Gurion itself has seen no single rocket. And I think the chances that it will see a rocket inside is extremely slim. And I expect the FAA to reconsider a decision.
[Blitzer:] Following the FAA decision, Mr. Romm, as you know, most of the European airlines, major ones like Lufthansa, KLM, they suspended flying in and out of Israel for 24 or 36 hours, some of the Asian airlines. Except for El-Al, are there other commercial airlines still flying in and out of Israel?
[Romm:] I had a very busy evening, so I don't have all of the information. I think British Airways is flying in and out of Israel. And there are others. But, yes, Wolf, you are right. The Europeans were running immediately after the Americans. I don't know if they have judgment of their own. But I do hope that when the Americans will hopefully change their mind, the Europeans will do the same.
[Blitzer:] How big of a deal is this for Israel? Let's say there's no flights coming in except for El-Al and a few other smaller carriers. This could be a major, a major problem for Israel. This is a heavy tourism season. A lot of tourists have already canceled because of the fighting with Hamas. You are going to lose a lot of revenue for Israel, aren't you?
[Romm:] Wolf, I will not hide it from you. This is a major setback from Israel, the unfortunate American decision and what followed later was the European decisions. And it is a big hit to the Israeli economy and to our pride that we could have hold and maintain the area traffic to and from Israel. And as I said for the third time, we hope that the FAA will reconsider its decision after we gave the FAA a very thorough analysis of why we believe that Ben Gurion is a safe and secure airport and we will see Delta and U.S. Airways and United flying again to Israel.
[Blitzer:] When you spoke to the FAA, and you say you just got off a conference call with the FAA back in Washington, did they cite only this one rocket that landed about a mile away from Ben Gurion Airport, or did they site other factors as well? I think Mr. Romm, can you still hear me or have we lost communications with you? Mr. Romm, can you hear me?
[Romm:] As far as I understand, this is I can hear you loud and clear.
[Blitzer:] All right, go ahead. Were there other reasons they offered other than this one rocket that landed near the airport? Did they say there were other factors as well?
[Romm:] Absolutely not, Wolf. The regulation, the FAA regulation said that if there is less than one mile hit on the rocket from the fence from the perimeter of the airport, activity of U.S. carriers is put on hold for about 24 hours. They didn't mention any other thing or any other activity which they feel uneasy about.
[Blitzer:] Giora Romm is the head of the Israeli Aviation Authority. Mr. Romm, thanks very much for joining us. We will touch back with you, touch base with you tomorrow, to see where this situation is unfolding, Giora Romm of the Israel Aviation Authority. Let's get an update now on the efforts to try to promote a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. A cease-fire if that were really to go into effect, presumably, the airport at Ben Gurion the flights in and out of Ben Gurion would resume as normal. There have been ongoing talks in Cairo involving Secretary of State John Kerry. Saeb Erekat is the chief Palestinian negotiator and he is joining us on the phone now from Jericho on the West Bank. Saeb, thanks very much for joining us. What is the very latest? I know have you been working very hard with President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority to get a cease-fire. Where does it stand?
[Saeb Erekat, Chief Palestinian Negotiator:] Well, it is very, very critical, intensive efforts being exerted by Secretary Kerry, by President Abbas, by the Egyptian foreign minister, Sameh Shoukry, by Mr. Ban Ki-Moon, and by Mr. Khalid Attiyah, the foreign minister of Qatar. I think there are parallel tracks trying to work out a balance between a cease-fire that would be accepted and then lifting the siege from Gaza. I cannot tell you at this particular moment, at this minute that we are close or we are far away. All I'm saying, it's the most serious efforts that we have seen in the last 15 days being exerted now, with the focus on Secretary Kerry. I think he is now holding all the lines and he just was on the phone about 15 minutes ago with President Abbas. And maybe, maybe by the early hours of the morning, I'm not saying I don't want to raise expectations or raise hopes, but I hope that these efforts will culminate in reaching the balance between the cease-fire and lifting the siege and beginning the negotiations under the umbrella of the Egyptians.
[Blitzer:] Because when I spoke to Osama Hamdan of Hamas, he was in Doha, Qatar, in the last hour, he seemed to think there was a good chance there could a cease-fire as well. Here's the question. The last time there was a serious Egyptian proposal, as you know, the Israelis accepted it, the Palestinian Authority accepted it, the Arab League accepted it. Hamas rejected it because they said they weren't actually presented formally that proposal. Are you confident that Hamas, this time around, will in fact accept a cease-fire?
[Erekat:] Well, as you know Wolf, yesterday, President Abbas spent almost three hours with Mr. Khaled Meshaal and Hamas politburo, and I know that Mr. Khalid Attiyah, the foreign minister of Qatar, is spending last night and tonight also a lot of meetings with Hamas leadership. And I'm telling you the parallel tracks with Sameh Shoukry, the foreign minister of Egypt, with our guys also in Cairo, and with Mr. Kerry being the focal point of all these contacts, I'm crossing my fingers, Wolf. I don't want to raise anybody's expectations, but I think if we can create the balance, and it's doable, between the cease-fire and lifting the siege and both sides getting their obligation, of course, at the end of the day, we have a national consensus government, Palestinian national consensus government that would be fully in charge of the implementation, whether opening the passages, whether the sea, with the prisoner issues, and the humanitarian aid and the reconstruction of Gaza. So let's hope that by tomorrow morning or tomorrow night when you speak to me, I will be explaining the details of how it was reached and was agreed. I'm really hoping that we can succeed. But I'm not giving you anything concrete tonight because I don't want to raise anyone's expectations. I have been there before. I don't want to raise anyone's expectations. All I can say, it's the most intensive efforts that are being exerted the minute I'm speaking to you now, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] That does sound somewhat encouraging. But you're absolutely right, it's not a deal until it is a done deal. Even if it is a signed deal, then you have to implement it. And there can easily be violations, as we all know. The last time the Egyptians put this proposal forward, they said a cease-fire right away. As I pointed out earlier, the Israelis accepted. This time around, would it be a cease-fire and then all of the other issues would be discussed and negotiated or are some of those other issues that, for example, Hamas wants included in this deal right now, are they going to be implemented right away, presuming the Israelis would accept?
[Erekat:] I think the approach now is not the sequential approach, what is first and what is second and what is third. I think now we're working in parallel tracks. We're working on a track called the cease-fire track, called the implementation of obligations, lifting the siege, lifting the closure. So, I think it's parallelism now, not sequential. And I think what you said about there is no done deal. Even if it is a done deal, it may be complicated. I think you know the Middle East very well, Wolf, so let's hope and pray we can have an agreement that can be implemented as of tomorrow.
[Blitzer:] Let's hope indeed. We will touch base with you same time same place tomorrow. Saeb Erekat joining us from Jericho on the West Bank, let's hope this fighting stops and people can go back to their lives and hopefully, hopefully emerging out of this. We can only hope and pray that there can be a resumption of the peace process eventually leading to real peace, two-state solution, as it's called, Israel and Palestine living side by side. Let's see if that can be achieved. It's a dream right now, and it's seems unlikely. But maybe something good in the end can yet emerge from this disaster. Saeb Erekat, thanks very much. Still ahead, we will have more on the breaking story we are following. The new U.S. ban on flights to and from Israel and growing fears about planes flying near an active combat zone. Congressman Peter King is standing by. He's on the Homeland Security Committee, on the Intelligence Committee. He has good inside information. He will tell us what we all need to know about flight dangers around the world.

[Michael Furlinger, Owner, Plaza Theater:] Well, we originally were scheduled on the first go-round before it was pulled. And last night around 11:00 p.m., our time, we got a call from Sony saying that they were ready to go. And I have sent them e-mails over the last couple of days saying if they ever change their mind, we were in 100 percent. And lo and behold, it happened last night around 11:00.
[Blitzer:] And you have a historic theater there in midtown Atlanta, right?
[Furlinger:] It is. It's the oldest historic running movie theater in the state of Georgia.
[Blitzer:] It's a beautiful theater. Let's talk about security. Are you worried? Are you going to beef it up? People going through metal detectors when they come in to watch "The Interview"?
[Furlinger:] We'll certainly take certain precautions. When you have something like this, you take different precautions. Exactly what we're going to do, I won't announce on air. But over the years, after 911, "The Last Temptation of Christ," all films with controversial stories and things behind it, you have to be smart about it. I'm not expecting anything of a major concern.
[Blitzer:] Are you excited have you seen the film, by the way?
[Furlinger:] I have not seen the film. I am excited. I'm excited because I think the consumer, the movie theaters, we won. The people of the United States won. There's nothing worse than censorship or blackmail, especially when it comes to the arts. You don't have to like it. You have to pay to come see a film. So that's why I'm excited.
[Blitzer:] Michael, we'll stay in close touch. I want to hear how many people show up. I assume it's going to be a big, big crowd on Christmas day. Thanks very much for what you're doing. The owner of the Plaza Theater in midtown Atlanta. Good luck.
[Furlinger:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] Merry Christmas and happy New Year. Still ahead, the New Jersey Governor Chris Christie says normal relations with Cuba should be off the table until that country returns a convicted American cop killer. We'll hear from a top Cuban official in Havana. We'll get her response to what Chris Christie is demanding. Stay with us.

[Harlow:] A developing story just into CNN coming to us from the world of sports. The "Washington Post" reporting that federal drug agents have carried out surprise inspections today in NFL team locker rooms with their medical staffs. The "Post" reports the inspections are related to an ongoing investigation into prescription drug abuse in the NFL, specifically allegations by former players that powerful and addictive drugs were handed out to players often without a prescription to help them play through those injuries. Here to talk to me about all of it, the sports side, the legal side, we've got HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson. On the phone with me also, sports business analyst, Keith Reid, he's also a former senior editor with ESPN. Thank you both for being here. Joey, let me begin with you. This comes as part of this class-action lawsuit filed by a lot of former NFL players.
[Joey Jackson, Hln Legal Analyst:] Absolutely.
[Harlow:] Who said we were giving these drugs time and time again to play through the injuries and look what has happened to us as a result. What do you make of these raids happening across the country today?
[Jackson:] Federal government doesn't sleep. They're investigating and they do a great job of it, Poppy. Why? Because they have staffing. They have resources. And listen, when you talk about anything that relates either to criminality, not that this is at this point, or even civil allegations, and you mentioned the lawsuit that was filed in San Francisco, 600 players, right?
[Harlow:] Right.
[Jackson:] You talk about, well, what would give you the probable cause to get this information? If you look at the lawsuit, the allegations are just, you know, revealing in terms of what may have been the alleged past practices.
[Harlow:] And it's illegal for this the "Washington Post" article talks about the fact it's illegal for a physician to distribute prescription drugs outside of, say, their office, for example, outside of their territory.
[Jackson:] Exactly.
[Harlow:] But that's the legal side of this.
[Jackson:] And it's more than that, Poppy. That's a major part of it but you're talking about trainers who are in close contact with the players.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Jackson:] And they, of course, are there to take care of the players.
[Harlow:] And if they're not a physician, they can't be handing this out.
[Jackson:] They can't they can't touch it, so therefore it's problematic. If they do, there's regulations on them and the physicians as well.
[Harlow:] Right. So, Keith, let me bring you in here. This has been an ongoing story. I mean, the development is basically surprise raids, if you will. But what has the NFL been saying about this throughout?
[Keith Reid, Sports Business Analyst:] Yes, the NFL obviously has been very careful to defend its teams, to defend the medical staff and the individual teams have been very careful to defend themselves against the allegations in this lawsuit. Of course, you would expect the NFL to do that, expect anybody who is facing serious charges like this to be very defensive and make sure that they're saying the right things. The difficulty for the NFL, once again, and this has happened time and time again this year, is that it becomes yet another PR hit for the league. I mean, you know, it's one thing to be sued. It's one thing to have these investigations going on. It's another thing when you've got so many things swirling in the court of public opinion. And the NFL has taken so many blows, so many you know, so much damage to its reputation, in particular Commissioner Goodell who already has at least two issues right in front of him with two very popular or two very well known players in Ray Rice and, again, in Adrian Peterson in front of him right now appealing their suspensions in the actions that he took under the collective bargaining agreement that they've got. So right now the NFL can ill afford in the middle of a Sunday where you've got multiple games going on to have federal agents showing up and rifling through bags.
[Harlow:] Right. Yes, but it has it has happened. So, Joey, if improprieties are found, who is in legal jeopardy here? The doctors, trainers, players, teams, owners? Who?
[Jackson:] It's a great question, Poppy. And we don't know, but it could be everyone. Now, Keith Reid raises a very good point in terms of the public relations. That might be the least of the NFL's concerns here. As you mentioned before, Poppy, doctors have significant they're significantly regulated and they have responsibilities. If they go beyond that, certainly there's an issue to their license. These are allegations we don't know. And then depending upon the extent of what they were doing, it could arise to a crime. Same with players. Are you supplying the players with pain pills and telling them to go out? Are players knowingly asking for prescriptions or asking for drugs they should not have? Does the NFL are they complicit? What knowledge do they have? So this investigation, I suspect, Poppy, will uncover answers to those questions and those answers will answer your questions.
[Harlow:] And it doesn't matter if a player wants them. If it's illegal, it's illegal. If it's happening, to you, Keith, you're you know, former senior editor with ESPN. From what you've heard from these players, you got 600 of them who filed this lawsuit, this class- action suit saying this happened to us, former players saying that. Did they talk to you at all about what drives this? If there's a culture of pressure within the league?
[Reed:] Well, sure, certainly. I mean, listen, you're being compensated a tremendous amount of money and your value decreases tremendously if you're not on the field. And so there is tremendous pressure for you to be on the field, and not just only because of your compensation, but because the NFL is a very much next-man-up league. Right? We talk about teams where you've got, you know, there are 53 guys on every team, you know, at some positions there are three guys waiting in line behind you to take your spot. And if you get hurt, and you've got an injury that's not, you know, that may be serious, but maybe something that you can, you know, get a shot or take a pill or something like that, in the eyes of a trainer, in the eyes of these fans who expect you to be able to play through that pain, there's a tremendous pressure for you as an athlete to continue to be on the field because you don't want to lose your money, you don't want to lose you don't want to lose your starting job. You don't want to lose that high profile. So there's the players are under a tremendous amount of pressure to make sure that they're on the field. Whether or not it will be born out that they that some entity, some individuals in the NFL are actually culpable of doing things that are illegal is a different thing, but you're right, there's a ton of pressures on players.
[Harlow:] We will see how this all shakes out. Again, this report just coming in that the DEA is investigating and has raided some of the some of the NFL locker rooms today during big game day on Sunday. We'll see what it's found as a result. We'll keep on top of this. Thank you so much, Keith and Joey. Good to have you here.
[Jackson:] Pleasure, Poppy. Thank you.
[Harlow:] Coming up next, is college worth the cost? Man, it is a big price tag for some schools. That debate has been going on for a long time. And this week after New York's former mayor said some students might be better off not going to college and becoming plumbers. So who gets to go to college in the future? We're going to talk about these comments, next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back. I'm Jake Tapper. Here are the hour's top stories on CNN. More bodies have been brought ashore in Indonesia by search crews looking for airplane wreckage, at least seven bodies have been recovered from the sea. Debris from the aircraft was also spotted. And the general area where a commercial flight with 162 people on board disappeared on Sunday. Rainstorms and heavy seas are making the search very difficult. More lousy weather, this in Southern California, 139 people all got stuck in the mountains when a sudden snowstorm buried their cars. Fire department rescuers with heavy machinery worked through the night to get everyone to shelters. Today, they will try to get their cars unstuck. Good luck with that. One of the big box office winners [inaudible] this week was of course the war drama, Unbroken, but not everywhere. There is a growing movement in Japan to boycott the movie and to even ban director Angelina Jolie from ever coming in to Japan again. The film is inspired from a book that suggested Japanese troops resorted to cannibalism while in prison camps. Protesters say that never happened and they are furious they want the movie never shown in Japan. It's official now. The strain of flu that is going around the country is as the epidemic threshold. That's not from us, it's from the Centers for Disease Control, which has identified 36 states where the flu is now considered widespread. Those most in danger are those people who are age 65 and older. But this particular flu virus has already caused the deaths of 15 children. Scientists are working on the best way to map and forecast the flu's movement, much like predicting the weather, watch this from CNN's doctor, Sanjay Gupta.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] It's amazing how much more we know about how to predict flu. What they're trying to do now is predict the flu very much in the way that you predict the weather.
[Unidentified Female:] Hurricane season. Noah is predicting a below average season.
[Unidentified Male:] Many parts of the state were under a hurricane warning early Thursday.
[Gupta:] I know, all kidding aside, we don't always get the weather right, but this is pretty interesting. They use mathematical modeling to sort of predict where flu virus is going to be most dominant. But then they look at real time data and the real time data time is fascinating, people searching for flu on Google for example and they assimilate all that information to give you what are called hot spots, but they can go even deeper than that. This is a particular project that comes out of a Columbia school. You can actually figure out which week is going to be the worst in your particular city. New York City, January 10th. That's going to be your week. Look, if you're a parent, it may be more likely to keep your kids home from school if they seem sick at all. I mean, you're more likely to cancel play dates, but also for hospitals. They could be anticipated more patients coming in, so leading more search capacity, more beds available, having more medications, flu vaccine, things like that on standby. But this is sort of where we're headed with regard to predicting when things are going to get really bad.
[Tapper:] I want to get right to Dr. Kathryn Edwards. She runs the vaccine research program at Vanderbilt at Nashville, Tennessee. Dr. Edwards, thanks for joining us. We just watched how scientists such as yourself will soon be able to predict and track the flu, much like the weather. How will that help you fight the virus and keep infections down?
[Kathryn Edwards, Vaccine Trial Specialist:] Well certainly, we've been trying to predict influenza for centuries and it's a very, very hearty and confusing virus at times, but we do certainly the CDC has a lot of ways that they track the virus, we find out first of all where it is but then we also find out what kind of virus it is. And the CDC told us last week that a particular strain that's circulating is called H3N2 which we know causes more severe disease than the other strains. We also know that about half or maybe slight more than half of the strains don't match the current vaccine. So we know that then that everybody should still get vaccinated because even if it's not a perfect match, it's very effective. But we also know that influenza always throws a few punches that we may not have anticipated. And so we need to watch very carefully and listen to the things that CDC is telling us about how to deal with the strains. And so we know a lot more than we used to but we don't know at all at this point.
[Tapper:] You've been involved in clinical vaccine trials on many different flu strains for more than three decades, can all of the flu strains and this flu be compared. Do you approach them with the same strategy?
[Edwards:] I think that we approach them slightly differently. The usual strains when the virus changes a little bit causes new strains to be made and new vaccines to be made every year, and so those are generally kind of routine. We know how to change them, we don't have to do a lot of studies to make sure how they work. But when a flu strain changes dramatically like during the pandemic that we saw in 2009. Then we do need to look at those vaccines in a different way. We need to study them in a lot more people before we give them to people in the routine clinics. So they are a bit different. We've also been studying bird flu strains and we've also studied the LAIV vaccine that's given in the nose as opposed to the flu shot that's given in the arm. We know at least in children for instance that this particular year, the CDC recommended that children, preferentially health children get the nose drop and we know that actually the nose drop vaccine often is a little better if the strain isn't perfectly matched. So this may be a really good time for the children to be protected with the nose drop vaccine because the strain isn't exactly what's in the vaccine. We also know that we have some drugs, some antiviral medicines which can be helpful as well in taking care of the flu. Kind of like antibiotics, these are called antivirals. So early on in the illness, it's often very good to talk with the doctor, particularly for children, young children, certainly children at high risk with heart disease, that these antiviral agents may be just the ticket.
[Tapper:] All right, Dr. Kathryn Edwards, thank you so much. Wishing you a happy and healthy new year. As the remaining hours of 2014 tick away, what were the year's biggest scandals and controversies. We will count down the top 10 coming up.

[Holmes:] The time keeps on moving, doesn't it? Delaying that strike that the U.S. wants to carry out in Syria, and that gives Bashar al- Assad's regime in Damascus time to prepare, doesn't it?
[Malveaux:] Yeah, it certainly does. So what is going to happen with a possible U.S. or international mission? Joining us retired General Russel Honore, who, of course, as we all know, commanded the military response to Hurricane Katrina. He's been in the military for some 30 years. General, good to see you as always. I imagine that you're looking at the map as we are, too, and wondering about these reports of President Assad moving things around, things that would likely be targeted. How does this complicate things now that there's a delay? GENERAL RUSSEL HONORE, U.S. ARMY
[Holmes:] Yeah, a huge issue. You know, when it comes to and we've seen this before in past wars. Saddam Hussein did it, move stuff into civilian areas. The targets are obviously things like munitions, supplies and artillery pieces, airfields and the like. Would you agree with that sort of targeting, and how easy is it to move those pieces into a neighborhood?
[Honore:] We've seen them do it very effectively. The difference now, Michael, than when we did this with Saddam when I was directly involved, with two men who leading this fight, the CENTCOM General Austin and General Dempsey, the chairman joint chiefs of staffs, 1999. They have a lot of experience, as well as the United States Navy, along with the Air Force and our reconnaissance ability to sort of see what's going on, not with 100 percent accuracy, but with enough assurance they can figure out what are the high value targets, what are the ones they want to avoid because we've been the experience show they will put those inside of [inaudible] area, inside a mosque, inside churches, inside of school buildings. So we've been through all those tricks, and the United State Navy targeting team sitting off the coast there, they know what they're doing. I've got faith in the Navy and our targeters down there at CENTCOM that they'll do the right thing.
[Malveaux:] So one thing I don't understand, General maybe you can help us understand this as the president says, it's not time sensitive, that it could happen in a day or a week or a month. So what would be the trigger point where the U.S. would act? Would they find something or see something and then they would go in right away?
[Honore:] Yes, Suzanne. That's a good point. I think what people need to get a grip with, we're trying to hold the standard of a strike against Assad because he is used chemical weapons to a declaration of war where we've got the 82nd Airborne's going to be dropped in. The 18th Airborne Corps is following. The special ops troops going in, every carrier we've got. This is not that type of operation, which I think the White House is trying to put in context for the American people. This is a strike because this man used chemical weapons against his people. What that will give us an opportunity to do, and time is on our side, not on his side, time for the rebels to resupply, time for us to get them some of these special munitions, time for what's happening on the sideline. We don't know everything and who the president's talking to. There are other people who may come to this and bring capacity to the rebels that they don't have now. And this will give them time to better defend themselves. So I think time is on our side, not on Assad's side.
[Malveaux:] All right. General Russel Honore, good to see you, as always. We appreciate your perspective as well.
[Holmes:] Interesting hearing the president earlier today talk about degrading Assad's military capabilities. But if he's moved it around, how hard is that going to be as time goes on.
[Malveaux:] And also, around the world, Dennis Rodman making a return visit to North Korea. That story up ahead.
[Holmes:] Now there's a diplomat.

[Pereira:] Many are calling for the resignation of Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson over that Justice Department report outlining rampant racism within his department. CNN's Sara Sidner caught up with him exclusively and asked him about it.
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Correspondent:] Don't you think you should have known some of the things that came out? The racist e-mails, the numbers. Were you just trying to bilk people out of money instead of protecting them? Telling your department to just go ticket them?
[Tom Jackson, Ferguson Police Chief:] OK. Thank you. And I will be in touch. Get ahold of Jeff.
[Sidner:] I've talked to I've talked to everyone. I've given you literally every opportunity. We've been talking for days and days and days. All we want is an answer from you.
[Jackson:] I'm going to analyze the report and take action where necessary.
[Sidner:] Does that mean you're going to stay around?
[Jackson:] I'm going to take action where necessary. Thank you.
[Pereira:] Let's bring in Charlie Dooley. He was St. Louis County executive, the head of the county for 12 years. During the protests in Ferguson, he was active in trying to calm protesters while letting them have their voices heard. Mr. Dooley, a pleasure to have you here today. I want your reaction to what you heard Sara Sidner try to get out of the police chief there. He says Jackson says he'll take action where necessary. What do you hear in that? What does that mean to you?
[Charlie Dooley, Former St. Louis County Executive:] Well, first let me say good morning to you, Michaela. I'm glad to be here.
[Pereira:] Glad to have you.
[Dooley:] I'm somewhat disappointed. I know the police chief in Ferguson personally. I consider him a friend. I'm disappointed in his reaction to the report. The e-mails, very disappointing. It's not very encouraging at all. And the issue about him stepping down, I think that the decision should be his and the city council. And I think for the betterment of that community, something needs to change. And he's a part of the change that needs to take place.
[Pereira:] OK. As a friend, are you counseling him as such and telling him that you think that Ferguson needs a change?
[Dooley:] It's obvious if the e-mail I did not look at the e-mails personally myself. But the e-mails are true, it's very concerning to me that the city government endorse those type of activities. That is not the norm.
[Pereira:] So you have been quite vocal about the problems that African-Americans have faced in Ferguson. The Justice Department report likely not a surprise to you. But you were, I understand, surprised by the extent of how far the discrimination went in Ferguson.
[Dooley:] Yes, I was. The e-mails and the the vast amount of e- mails, the indication of making up city revenue with on the backs of other people, I think is very discouraging. There have been rumors of those situations. The Ferguson situation is not isolated. It's not rampant, but it's not isolated. And it's a symptom in our community that needs to be corrected.
[Pereira:] So sir, as a city executive, did you not feel heard? Did you voice your concerns during your tenure there about what was happening in Ferguson? Or were you deafened?
[Dooley:] Again, during my 11 years as county executive, there were concerns. Those things was brought to bear. Again, people think that a municipality is a creature of the county. It is not. It's a creature of the state, and the state rules in those types of situations. So there's very little power that the county government can do other than speak to those issues. And we did speak to those issues.
[Pereira:] And what kind of response did you get?
[Dooley:] It was a very negative response from the municipalities, from the municipal league itself. It's called meddling. I'm of the opinion in St. Louis County, they say there are 90 municipalities. The 90 municipalities is not the problem. It's the level of service and respect in those municipalities, is the issue.
[Pereira:] So you think that this Ferguson is just indicative of what's going on in other communities in your state?
[Dooley:] It's indicative of what goes on across America. Is it an isolated incident? No, it's not. Is it rampant? Probably not. It's about how do we treat one another? Again, it's about African- Americans, the Michael Brown case for example. I was encouraged that attorney general Holder launched those two investigations. But to come back and say that no wrong was done, that simply isn't true. That's not the spirit of the law.
[Pereira:] I want to ask you a quick question before we end up here. Some of the very people cited in that report from the Justice Department, are the very people that are now charged with having to be involved in fixing what is going on in Ferguson. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to some.
[Dooley:] That's that's the real problem right there, is not that the investigation wasn't proper. It's just who's doing it? Who's involved? Who's the authorities? And those individuals are concerned about defending themselves as opposed to trying to correct the situation. And that's a real problem. To not acknowledge that things went wrong; you can't fix it. And those individuals indicated that they're being defensive or it is the norm. Those e-mails are very damaging to the community. Does it speak to the whole community? No, it don't. But does it exist? Yes, it does. And when it does exist, we need to address it in a very aggressive way. But denying it or trying to defend it, that is wrong.
[Pereira:] Charlie Dooley is the former St. Louis County executive. We want to know what you think at home. Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
[Dooley:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] Is this going to be a wake-up call? Will other communities find themselves having these kind of conversations in their communities? Tweet us. Go to our Facebook page. Add your comments there Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right. It is the 50th anniversary of the historic march in Selma. Not marking the occasion? Any members of the Republican leadership in Congress. Why not? John King is going to talk about this on "Inside Politics."

[Baldwin:] Did you hear what the pope said about legalizing marijuana? Well, he's not exactly for it. Earlier today in Rome, Pope Francis told members of the International Drug Enforcement Conference that the worldwide trend for legalizing recreational drugs is a very, very bad idea. He said, I'm quoting him "Drug addiction is an evil and with evil, there can be no yielding or compromise. To think that harm can be reduced by permitting drug addicts to use narcotics is in no way resolves the problem." So let me bring in Daniel Burke, co-editor of CNN's Belief Blog. Daniel, I guess, I can't say I'm surprised hearing what the pope said. He also said legalizing drugs fails to produce the desired effects. What does he mean by that?
[Daniel Burke, Cnn Belief Blog Co-editor:] I think, Brooke, that the pope sees this issue through a different lens than most Americans. He's not talking about a couple dudes toking up a joint and going to play Frisbee golf on an afternoon. This pope was a pastor for many years in some of Argentina's poorest communities. He saw lives ruined by drugs. I think he's saying legalizing drugs, essentially adding more drugs to that situation isn't going to help anybody. He's speaking very personally here.
[Baldwin:] That makes sense given what he probably did see many years ago in Argentina. Let me move along and ask you about a big headline. The general assembly of the U.S. Presbyterian Church voting to change its definition of marriage allowing everyone to get married including same-sex couples, which seems like a big deal for the church. Does that mean that gay and lesbian Presbyterian couples can get married today?
[Burke:] As of this weekend. So they have a little plan to plan, but as of this weekend, yes, in the 19 states where gay marriage is already legal according to secular law, they would be allowed to be married in Presbyterian Churches. That's a huge deal. The church in the United States has almost 2 million members, 10,000 congregations. Almost every town in America has a Presbyterian Church and they have a long and storied history. This is a pretty big deal and LGBT groups celebrating as a major victory.
[Baldwin:] Have to imagine there's been opposition though.
[Burke:] Yes, conservative Presbyterians actually called it an abomination today. We saw about 400 congregations leave the Presbyterian Church in 2011 after they voted to allow openly gay ministers. Some are predicting a similar kind of reaction to this vote yesterday.
[Baldwin:] The times are changing, Daniel Burke, thank you so much. Just quickly an update on the anthrax scare at the Centers for Disease Control. The CDC we talked about yesterday, 87 workers at the CDC in Atlanta may have been unintentionally exposed to anthrax. It happened when a lab didn't properly deactivate the samples before moving them to other labs. The workers in the labs were not equipped to handle live anthrax. Officials say the risk of infection for those involved is low and there is no risk to the general public. Just a quick reminder, you can like us on Facebook, cnn.combrookebaldwincnn. Just tossed a new behind the scenes video on there for you today. Hope you have a wonderful weekend. I hope you stay right here because my friend, John Berman is in for Jake Tapper. "THE LEAD" starts right now.

[Quest:] Dominique Strauss-Kahn is on trial today in France. The former head of the International Monetary Fund is charged with aggravated pimping I never thought I'd be saying that on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. He allegedly engaged in group sex with prostitutes during soirees organized with the help of a businessman hoping that he would get favors when he became president of France. It has got sleaze written all over it and we have only just begun with the trial. I asked our senior international correspondent, Jim Bittermann, who joined me from Paris, what happened in court.
[Jim Bittermann, Cnn Sr. Intl. Correspondent:] One of the first things that happened was that the lawyers for a number of those people involved in this trial asked that the trial take place behind closed doors and the first thing that the court did was decide that that is not going to be the case. This is going to be an open court and we're going to hear all of the lurid testimony come out, 14 accused; among them, Dominique Strauss-Kahn. The four prostitutes were in court today and basically the charge against Strauss-Kahn and the others is that they organized sex parties, debauchery; Strauss-Kahn does not deny that he took part in these parties but that he says that he didn't know that these were prostitutes that were involved. And that's where the legal case is going to be billed. The fact is that his defense is that if he doesn't know that they're prostitutes, if they're just parties and he was participating, he has done nothing illegal. But if he in any way encouraged the parties to take place, then he may be guilty of what they're saying Richard.
[Quest:] Now he's not accused of organizing the parties, is he? He's accused of or he attended them.
[Bittermann:] Well, he attended, but he's accused of organizing them. He's accused of encouraging them. And to what extent he encouraged them, whether he told his friends he'd like to have a wild night or something like that, that's what the case is going to be founded on because that, under the definition of law in France for aggravated pimping, that qualifies as aggravated pimping. The fact is, though, that why he's a little ambiguous on this and it's one of the things that'll come in this trial, I think Richard.
[Quest:] Right, Jim, I'm sure you've studied this law in some detail in preparation for this case. But are the French public, is the French public as watching this as closely and with as much voyeurism as maybe the international media?
[Bittermann:] I think they this time around they are, Richard. I think mainly because of the fact that they've seen someone who had risen to such heights now sitting on the bank of the bench of the accused along with people like Dodo la Saumure, who's makes no bones about the fact that he runs houses of prostitution in Belgium and a number of other sort of nefarious characters that are right there along with Strauss-Kahn. So I think they're watching it in a and it's kind of fascination to have seen the depths to which someone who was flying so high, who you'll remember, Richard was the leading candidate, the leading socialist candidate for president, might well have been elected president if all this had not come out first in New York and now here.
[Quest:] Jim Bittermann in Paris; the trial continues in France. We'll follow it closely. President Obama says why should the rich keep getting richer while the middle class Americans lose ground? He's got a $4 trillion budget and a proposal to do something about it. And you'll hear it after the break.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] And I do have a lot of news. Have a great day. NEWSROOM starts now.
[Costello:] Happening now in the NEWSROOM, terrorists targeted.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Foreign Affairs Reporter:] The leader of al-Shabaab, Ahmed Godane, and his deputies were holding a meeting of their top commanders.
[Costello:] Breaking overnight, a secret U.S. drone strike in Somalia, the Pentagon launching missiles and a mission. So why are we attacking an al Qaeda offshoot when ISIS is such a clear threat? Also, hacker hunt. Nude pictures stolen from celebrity phones, the FBI now on the case.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Agents will be interviewing the alleged victims and will likely be in touch with Apple in an effort to find out who the hacker or hackers are.
[Costello:] The mystery man hacker reportedly called "Original Guy" on the run this morning. Also
[Unidentified Male:] They've got to go.
[Costello:] Wage war. A nationwide protest, civil disobedience, demanding to double their salary to 15 bucks an hour.
[Unidentified Female:] We don't want handouts. We don't want pity. We just want everyone to understand our reality.
[Costello:] Let's talk, live in the NEWSROOM. And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. New this morning the U.S. military launches clandestine strikes and the target is thousands of miles from the hot spots that have dominated the headlines in recent weeks. A regional governor in southern Somalia says an apparent drone struck a small village held by the terrorist group al-Shabaab. That militant group linked to al Qaeda carried out the brazen dayside attack on a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya last September, killing more than 60 people. You remember that. The U.S. military offensive comes just a day after al-Shabaab fighters disguised as government troops laid siege to a prison where dozens, possibly hundreds of their comrades are being held. Our global affairs correspondent Elise Labott joins us now from Washington. So, Elise, the president is taking heat for not taking decisive action in Ukraine and Syria, so why Somalia and why now?
[Labott:] Well, Carol, as officials say, you know, they're kind of sensitive to that saying look, we can walk and chew gum at the same time if you will, and they've been watching al-Shabaab for some time. As you just said they pose a growing threat to not just the region but the world as al-Shabaab is planning attacks outside the United States, outside Somalia, and senior U.S. officials are telling me listen, we had a target of opportunity that presented itself, this meeting of the leader of al-Shabaab, Ahmed Godane, and some of his top commanders. They were actually meeting in this rebel-held village where the strike took place to talk about this growing this offensive, how to fend off this offensive by the Somali military and the African Union and they were all meeting and this target of opportunity presented itself. And Carol, they don't present themselves that often so they're constantly watching. This is a continuing threat and they and they saw the target and they went after it.
[Costello:] All right. Elise Labott reporting live from Washington this morning. President Obama is not just facing critics on Capitol Hill, he's also taking heat from everyday Americans. A "USA Today"Pew Research Center poll shows widespread dissatisfaction with the president's handling of crises in the Ukraine and in Middle East. More than half of Americans feel the president is not tough enough on foreign policy and national security. It is the quandary much of the country remains divided over America's exact role in the world, the same poll shows 39 percent of Americans feel the United States does too much in helping to solve the world's problems. Thirty-one percent say the United States does too little. So let's head to the White House now and CNN's Michelle Kosinski. Michelle, today the president leaves for Europe to shore up alliances and meet with fellow members of the NATO military coalition. Tell us more.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Right, Carol. And you know, NATO no longer has that identity crisis that everybody was talking about. Well, that was back before Russia suddenly effectively invaded Ukraine, and now there's talk about expanding NATO membership, and building a rapid response military force.
[Kosinski:] How is President Obama ending up in the sleepy Baltic capital of Estonia this afternoon? Just take a look at its neighbor, and Russia'unceasing actions down the road in Ukraine. And suddenly this added on meeting with leaders of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania is at the heart of what the NATO alliance is for, as the White House put it, to reaffirm our ironclad commitment to collective defense. Now once again just as we commemorate the start of World War II, NATO matters. Ukraine is looking to join. NATO's secretary-general is proposing creating a rapid response military force ready for emergency defense in 48 hours, something the White House supports. This summit now will also look at what to do next about Russia, as Europe draws up new sanctions. Yet another crisis looms to be discussed by the West and that is ISIS. With thousands of foreign fighters, with Western passports currently fighting in Syria, Britain's prime minister now with Europe has vowed to act.
[David Cameron, British Prime Minister:] A firm security response with the military action to go after terrorists, international cooperation on intelligence or uncompromising action against terrorists at home.
[Kosinski:] President Obama at home, while airstrikes on ISIS in Iraq continue, had a bit of a rough, long weekend in the press following those words on Syria.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We don't have a strategy yet.
[Kosinski:] With some head-turning reaction from both parties.
[Sen. Ted Cruz , Texas:] The Russian bear is encountering the Obama kitty cat.
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein , California:] He's very cautious, maybe in this instance too cautious.
[Kosinski:] The president has made clear he is loath to use military force unless it is well thought out and will work, has repeatedly emphasized the need for a strong international coalition on both Russia and ISIS. Now this NATO summit has plenty on the table. Yes. Like it or not NATO has plenty to do now and among the goals of the summit will be assessing the effectives of the international response to both Russia and ISIS, and seeing what more can be done Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Michelle Kosinski reporting live from the White House this morning. Checking some other top stories for you at seven minutes past the hour. Jury deliberations begin today in the trial of four former Blackwater guards who killed 17 Iraqi civilians in 2007. At issue is whether they were justified in opening fire. The guards say they acted in self-defense after coming under attack by militants but Iraqi witnesses say the guards fired without provocation. Police in Ferguson, Missouri, are starting to wear body cameras. Most of the cameras were donated by security companies following the shooting of that unarmed teenager Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson. Ferguson's police chief says body cameras could have made a difference in the investigation into Brown's death. Yesterday a group calling for Officer Wilson's dismissal blocked traffic briefly along Interstate 70 in Missouri. The traffic stoppage took place despite a request by Brown's family calling for a delay. A Delta flight was diverted overnight because of a fight over leg room. Call it recline rage. Seriously. Witnesses say an argument started when a woman who was knitting decided to recline her seat.
[Unidentified Male:] This woman who was sitting next to know knitting actually, just tried reclining her seat back. The woman behind her started screaming and swearing and then the flight attendant came over and that exacerbated what was going on, and then she demanded that the flight land.
[Costello:] OK, so if you're keeping track this marks the third time in eight days that a flight was diverted because of arguments over a few inches of leg space. Delta says they rerouted last night's flight out of an abundance of caution and they apologized for the inconvenience. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, the FBI is working to figure out how hackers got access to nude photos of some of Hollywood's biggest stars. What investigators think happened and is your data safe? We'll talk about all of that next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Time for the Money Lead. Do you ever miss the songs that were on the radio about six months ago? You can get new music anywhere, but slightly old music, that's hard to find. But fear not. Amazon is here for you. Buzzfeed reports that the company plans to launch a music streaming service this summer through Amazon Prime that will offer a catalog of songs and albums that were released at least six months ago. Let's hope this one makes the cut. So is this business model legit? Can it make Amazon money? Joining me now is Farhad Manjoo, technology columnist for the "New York Times." Farhad, good to see you again. So having older music as opposed to music streaming sites like Spotify, Pandora, Beats music, is there an opening in the streaming market for this?
[Farhad Manjoo, Technology Columnist, "new York Times":] Yes, I think so. I think the key here is it's Amazon wouldn't be competing against those services so much. It would just be offering something else for prime subscribers. By getting just the songs that are at least six months old it probably gets a huge discount from the music companies. It saves money and I think that people will be OK with this. Most people don't really want the newest music. You're fine with 6-month-old songs.
[Tapper:] This will be sold through Amazon Prime, which offers TV shows and movies now, some original content by Amazon like Alpha House from Gary Trudeau and it gives you free shipping through the Amazon site. They charge $99 for the overall service. Do you think Amazon will pick up significantly more members by adding this music feature?
[Manjoo:] I don't think the music feature itself is going to lead to a huge number of subscribers. It's just one more thing. This is their strategy with prime, just keep loading on kind of extra freebies. You can get free books from it, free movies, free shows, and now free songs. At some point, it keeps adding enough stuff that people who are on the margin might be like, well, it's now worth it. They want you to subscribe because then it turns out that people who subscribe buy a lot of stuff from Amazon. That's what they want, to hook you.
[Tapper:] This news comes after the confirmation that Apple has acquired Beats and paid $500 million for the Beats music streaming service. So nobody forgot about Dre. Why are companies putting so much money into streaming services?
[Manjoo:] It's because the download music market has gone away or is going away. People want to stream music and they can do that on their smartphones. It's become kind of a must-have feature for the big tech companies. They're all figuring out different ways to offer this service.
[Tapper:] Farhad Manjoo, thank you so much.
[Manjoo:] Thanks. Good to be here.
[Tapper:] In the Buried Lead, right now some of the richest and most powerful people on earth are gathering in Copenhagen for the 60th meeting of the Builderburg Group. This is a meeting known for its intense secrecy, all conversation strictly confidential, which is amazing when you consider that the former director of the NSA is on the guest list. But that secrecy gives rise to many concerns leading to protests, clashes with police, endless conspiracy theories about things that will happen behind closed doors that you won't find out about until you get a letter from your bank somewhere down the road. Like we said, this year's list of VIPs includes the NATO secretary general, plus CIA Director David Petraeus, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and on and on. You get the idea. That's it for THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. I now turn you over to Wolf Blitzer in "THE SITUATION ROOM." Have a great weekend. Mr. Blitzer.

[Cooper:] An emotional day, ground zero here in New York, President Obama, 911 families and first responders were all on hand today for the dedication of the National 911 Memorial Museum. On display, more than 12,000 objects on that day. The museum opens to the public. We want to leave you with highlights from the ceremony.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] It is an honor for us to join in your remembrance, to recall and to reflect. But above all to reaffirm the true spirit of 911. Love, compassion, sacrifice, and to enshrine it forever in the heart of our nation.
[Unidentified Male:] Walking through this museum can be difficult at times, but it is impossible to leave without feeling inspired. Each story here beats with a human heart, which if we allow it, touches our own.
[Unidentified Female:] I dedicate this song to my late husband, Calvin Joseph Gooding.
[Rudy Giuliani, Former New York Mayor:] We will never understand why one person escaped and another didn't. How random it all seems and how powerless makes us all feel. But what this museum does is allow us to see that we absolutely can affect each other's lives by what we do at a time of crisis.
[Unidentified Male:] If through our rescue many of us join the rescue and recovery teams at ground zero to do for others what had been done for us we had to. We had come together at ground zero to help each other out. There was a real sense of caring for one another. This is something we should never forget and never stop doing.
[President Obama:] Like the great wall and bed rock that embrace us today, nothing can ever break us. Nothing can change who we are as Americans.
[Cooper:] Amazing grace, and a remarkable place to visit. Stay with CNN throughout the night for continuing coverage of the Southern California wildfires. I'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. Eastern, another edition of 360. "CNN TONIGHT" starts now.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Take a look at the breaking news we're following right now. Ominous pictures, these are live pictures just outside of Oklahoma City where there is now a tornado warning. Look at those clouds. We're going to monitor the situation for you, get an update as soon as we can. But those are pretty ominous pictures right now Oklahoma City right now. But let's get back to the other news we're following. Republican Senator James Risch of Idaho, a member of the Intelligence and Foreign Relations Committee is still with us. Senator, there's a lot of fear about this fanatic Islamic terrorist war against Christianity right now, Christians in particular. First of all the news out of Italy today that there was an al Qaeda plot to go after the Vatican. How serious do you believe this was, because they rounded up a whole of bunch of people in Italy today?
[Sen. James Risch , Foreign Relations Committee:] Wolf, this is really serious. It shouldn't surprise anyone. This is coming out of Europe. Europe is much different than the U.S. in a lot of ways, not the least of which it's a much softer target. It is easily penetrated and there are large groups of radical people that are moved into Europe and can move in and out of there fairly easily. We're probably going to see more of this in the future. The intelligence agencies over there and the law enforcement agencies move a lot more publicly than we do here in the U.S., and as a result of that, you saw this rollout today that actually caught the attention of a lot of news agencies and they intended it to be that way.
[Blitzer:] You hear about an al Qaeda plot against the Vatican, against the pope. That's serious obviously, but in recent weeks and months, but we've seen these terrorists behead Ethiopian Christians, Egyptian Christians, we've seen Christians being beheaded and thrown overboard on these ships that are trying to escape North Africa or Middle East, heading to Europe. Is there, based on the intelligence you're privy to, some sort of direct war on Christians right now by these terrorists?
[Risch:] Wolf, I don't think you need to rely on intelligence for that. They say so publicly. If you look at what they've put on the Internet and everything else, it's both Christians and the Jewish populations that they target. And there is good reason to believe that these radicals they are the radical edge of Islamic culture that have targeted and will continue to target Christian people for the reasons that they state in these deep philosophical things that they publish on the Internet about why they're doing this and that they're going to continue to do it.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about Yemen for a moment. ISIS just released some training video claiming to be shot in Yemen, showing militants in desert fatigues. The video was release as a threat to the Shiite Houthis there. CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of the video. There is some Yemeni dialogue in the video. What does this mean, the presence potentially of ISIS in Yemen? We know the Houthis are there. We know AQAP, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is there. But as far as you know, is there a serious ISIS terror presence in Yemen now as well?
[Risch:] Well, ISIS has gotten such, Wolf, that their tentacles go out and reach everywhere. I would say more than Yemen, Libya has been a target of theirs for establishing these training camps and for expansion. But they're going to expand all over the Middle East because of the deteriorating conditions there, the loss of any ability of the Yemeni government to take control of its country, just as happened in Libya. So, this is going to permeate in a lot of different areas in the Middle East, as you recall about the time in 911. It was pretty much concentrated in Afghanistan because it was so lawless. Well, there's becoming more and more lawless areas in the Middle East and as a result of that, they're able to move more freely and they're able to establish beach heads in these countries that are broken, that have failed governments.
[Blitzer:] Yes, these are failed states right now whether it's in Libya or Yemen or Somalia. Unfortunately, there's a whole bunch of them right now. Senator, thanks very much for joining us.
[Risch:] Thank you, Wolf. Glad to be here.
[Blitzer:] Thank you, James Risch, of the Senate Intelligence and Foreign Relations Committee. Coming up, massacres of Christian by ISIS and news of a possible al Qaeda plot to attack the Vatican. Why are the jihadists targeting Christians? Our terror experts are standing by. As organizers vow new protests in Baltimore over a death in custody, police now say Freddie Gray should have received medical aid at the scene of his arrest and should have been buckled into the van that took him away. And thousands of people are evacuated as a massive volcano erupts. We're going the take you close to the scene.

[Nina Dos Santos:] Good evening, I'm Nina Dos Santos, live from CNN London, and you're watching QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Tonight, Wall Street is celebrating a new Republican Congress in Washington. The GOP wins win in Washington marks a major shift in the US government's balance of power, and as you can see, what we've seen is the business community very much cheering this new event, the Dow Jones Industrial Average soaring to an all-time high on Wednesday. And as you can see by the close of trade, we can already see that that market is up six-tenths of one percent, hitting another high. I should also point out that the S&P 500 also closed at a new record for itself as well. Even some disappointing manufacturing data from ISM Index wasn't enough to take the shine off of that victory for the Republican Party in Washington. Let's see what it means for the business community. Alison Kosik joins us now, live at CNN New York. So, Alison, everybody's expecting this to be good for business. Is it?
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Well, that really remains to be seen. The way investors see it, Nina, is President Obama is not good for business. So, with the Republicans taking the balance of power in the Senate and picking up more seats in the US House of Representatives, the thinking is that we could see more laws pass in favor of business. What kinds of laws? Maybe overhauling the corporate tax code. Maybe deciding on the Keystone Pipeline. These are controversial measures, though, and nobody really believes that they definitely will pass, there's no guarantee. But the hope is greater than what it was, let's say, two days ago. One trader put it to me this way, saying the power of Washington DC is out of gridlock and into the checks-and-balances scenario of the presidency and Congress, and that's an economic positive. So today, what you saw once the opening bell rang were the bulls charging out on that economic positive of hope that pro-business policies could pass Congress. Nina?
[Dos Santos:] All right, Alison Kosik, thanks so much for that, there, running us through the trading today after, of course, those results came through. Well, Barack Obama says that he hears the frustration of voters who handed the Republicans control of the Senate. The president says that he's ready to hear new ideas no matter which side they come from.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] If there are ideas that the Republicans have that I have confidence will make things better for ordinary Americans, the fact that a Republican is suggesting it as opposed to a Democrat, that'll be irrelevant to me. I want to just see what works.
[Dos Santos:] Well, President Barack Obama will have to work with a Congress where both sides of the House are controlled by his political rivals for the next two years to come. CNN's political analyst John Avlon joins us now, live, with his take on how things have panned out. So, John, as I was just saying before, the business community very much cheering this news to the Republican Party, but let's face it, this is also an indictment of President Barack Obama rather than a big win for the Republicans.
[John Avlon, Cnn Political Analyst:] Well, I think it's a bit of both. Exit polls showed that there was, yes, anger at the president. But actually, there was even more frustration with Congress. And a low turnout midterm election, voters turn dramatically, in some cases, in the last minute, to the Republican Party. So, it's a very convincing win. It's a different kind of election turnout than you see typically in a presidential campaign. But it offers Washington at least a chance for a reset, for the president's last years of his administration for legacy, and for Republicans to show that they can govern by finding a way to define some policy common ground and working together. And I've got to say, the idea that markets are cheering the Republican takeover for Congress makes sense, but the idea that President Obama is bad for business is absurd. Corporate profits and Wall Street are at all-time highs under this president, even if some of those Wall Street executives like to call him a socialist.
[Dos Santos:] That's true. And there's also concerns here that having a lame duck administration or a lame suck president for the final two years of this term isn't necessarily going to be great business for American internationally, is it?
[Avlon:] Well, no. Traditionally, a great deal has been gotten done with divided government. Historically since the second World War, we've seen great accomplishments. Where really things have broken down is with this president and the Tea Party-led Republican Congress. But Mitch McConnell set a very sober tone, talking about opening the Senate, reforming some of the rules, trying to find areas of common ground, and I think the president tried to moderate his remarks as well. I think they're going to proceed with a degree of good faith. But there's sort of that trust-but-verify rule. When Republicans are saying they're going to end gridlock, the president has his own incentives to try to find areas to work, it may be limited to trade, tax simplification, infrastructure investment, comparatively modest items. But they're important. But the kind of grand bargains that were achieved in the past with divided government over US history, from the Marshall Plan on down, those seem probably a bit too much to hope for, even at a time when we'll choose hope over recent experience. What's this going to mean, John, internationally speaking? Because often in times like this, what we've seen is presidents undertaking big foreign policy initiatives. Sure. Well, the old adage that partisanship ought to stop at the water's edge applies to foreign policy, and it's largely a domain of the president. And the president's actions with regards to, say, confronting ISIS, are things that may be done too little too late, to the eyes of many folks on the Republican side of the aisle and the Foreign Affairs Committee, but there's some overlap. What really is interesting about the current state of American foreign policy debate is you've got sort of a non-interventionist crowd on both the far right and the far left that's very skeptical of American engagement in the world after a decade of war. But the president of the United States, in the way that the office changes the man more than the man changes its office, this president really has come to recognize the necessity of engaging ISIS, of trying a strategy that at the very least containment, but with military strikes. And that terrorism is a clear and present danger, not just to the United States, but to global stability. So, that's an area where there could be bipartisan agreement, at least among leadership, establishment Republicans and this president.
[Dos Santos:] All right, John Avlon, thanks so much for that, there, joining us live, there, the
[Avlon:] Thank you.
[Dos Santos:] editor in chief of "The Daily Beast" and also CNN's political analyst, too. Now, tracking Ebola via text, how IBM and the government of Sierra Leone are following the spread of the virus. Do stay with us. QUEST MEANS BUSINESS will be back after this.

[Lemon:] Did you catch Michelle Obama? Here is the first lady yucking it up last night with Will Ferrell and Jimmy Fallon on "The Tonight Show." Later, she talked with Fallon about the moment every parent dreads when the child turns 16 as Malia Obama will in July.
[Michelle Obama, First Lady Of The United States:] Ladies and gentlemen in D.C., watch out.
[Jimmy Fallon, "the Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon":] Yeah.
[Obama:] Malia Obama on her own, it's kind of frightening. I have security so I'm good.
[Lemon:] Oh, my gosh. She is 16. Jake Tapper, let us know what you're talking about on "THE LEAD." Will you be talking about this and the first lady, how she plugged ObamaCare with Fallon last night?
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Chief Washington Correspondent:] It's important to reach young people. The ObamaCare enrollment depends on what are called "young invincibles," young, healthy people to enroll. But right now, the projections, they are the government, the ObamaCare, people running ObamaCare are hundreds of thousands if not more than a million away, below, behind projections. So, that's why you see Michelle Obama on "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon," yucking it up and also talking with ObamaCare. We'll be talking about that on our panel, of course.
[Lemon:] Do you think that Republicans are going to miss Jay Leno because he did more traditional, sit-down interviews with politicians?
[Tapper:] It's not just that he did the more traditional, sit-down interviews. Leno prided himself on his jokes being equally against Democrats and against Republicans. And, in fact, I think somebody did a study of all of his jokes and found that he made fun of Bill Clinton the most out of all the presidents. But friends I have at NBC would talk about how Leno really was proud that he was somebody who appealed to both Democrats and Republicans with his humor. I think there is a fear among conservatives that this new crop isn't as worried or as concerned about being bipartisan in their yucks. Although I do think that there a lot of people who are very politically minded who have entered the late-night game. Seth Meyers, the former head writer for "Saturday Night Live," enters on Monday night and I'm sure he will be very political as well.
[Lemon:] Ten minutes, give or take, Jake Tapper with "THE LEAD," right at the top of the hour. Thank you, sir.
[Tapper:] Thanks.
[Lemon:] Next, he is famous for fending off soldiers with just 300 men. Now, Gerard Butler is talking about his face-off his faith's off- screen battle. That's next.

[Lemon:] If you ever wished you could pool your frequent flyer miles with someone else, guess what. Now you can. Zain Asher is here to tell us about a new program from JetBlue. What is it?
[Zain Asher, Cnn Personal Finance Correspondent:] Hey, Don. JetBlue says they're keeping it in the family. They've just launched a brand-new program allowing friends and family members to pool together their frequent flyer miles. So here's how it works. You can have up to seven people on the account. You designate a head of household. That person's job is to monitor the account, to redeem the points, that kind of thing. You don't have to share all of your points with your family members if you don't want to. You can share 10 percent or all of it, if you choose to. That's up to you. What's interesting here is how they define family. You have to have two adults over the age of 21. The other five can be younger than that, but you don't have to be related. That's what I find really cool about this. It can be coworkers. It can be friends. It can be a couple.
[Lemon:] You can gift someone.
[Asher:] Exactly. But what's interesting here is JetBlue actually told us they were the first U.S. airline to actually launch a program like this. It's not 100 percent true. There is a small airline, Sun Country, in Minneapolis, that does have a similar program. And, by the way, with United and Delta, you can actually transfer points between friends and family members as well. But JetBlue is trying to step up their game, so they're trying to compete with the heavy-hitters.
[Lemon:] I was going to say, I did that before. Because I dated someone and they took all my miles. I'm like, wait a minute. I can't even take a trip, you've taken all of my air miles. OK, thank you, appreciate it. Next, the government shutdown takes to the high seas, and we'll tell you how the political dispute is affecting the guys on the show "Deadliest Catch." You don't want to miss that.

[Clancy:] Violence flaring along Syria's border with Lebanon, gunmen killed three Lebanese soldiers at a checkpoint in Arsal. That is a town that's considered to be very sympathetic to Syria's Sunni Muslim rebels. Lebanon state news agency NNA also reporting two rockets fired from inside Syria landed in the Lebanese city of Hermel. That's a Hezbollah stronghold. Hezbollah, of course, dispatching hundreds if not thousands of fighters into Syria to help support the Bashar al-Assad government. Meanwhile, the Syrian opposition says the European Union decision to allow weapon shipments to the rebels is welcome, but it's not enough. Russia criticized the lifting of the E.U.'s embargo, saying it could undermine next month's planned Syria peace talks in Geneva. The E.U. decision would allow member states to arm the rebels if they so chose, beginning in August. At least four people killed by a car bomb that exploded in a Shia Muslim district of Iraq's capital, at least 25 others have been wounded in that attack in a busy intersection in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood. That follows a deadly day on Monday, a day when some nine car motorcycle bombs killed at least 51 people and wounded 160 more in a wave of political and sectarian violence and most of it inside the capital, Baghdad. A cruise to the Bahamas cut short after a fire broke out on this ship. More than 3,000 passengers and crew were aboard Royal Caribbean's Grandeur of the Seas. The ship made it safely to Freeport in the Bahamas. No one seriously hurt. The cause of the fire not yet known. All this week we are taking a very special look at China, exploring the ways that the country's rapid rise is helping it assert itself as a dominant player on the global stage. But China's growth is also causing conflicts with others, including accusations the country is engaging in computer hacking attacks. China denies an Australian media report that hackers in Beijing stole top secret government documents from Canberra. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation program alleged that hackers breached the prime minister's office and cabinet as well as the departments of foreign affairs and defense. It also claimed that a cyber-attack from a server inside China stole blueprints to the new headquarters of Australia's top intelligence organization. Australian Prime Minister Julie Dillard describes the report as and I'm quoting here "inaccurate." A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said the allegations are, in his words, "a baseless accusation."
[Hong Lei, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman:] Because the source of the hacking is untraceable, it is difficult to identify the source of the cyber-attack and is also difficult to identify the hacker. So I don't know where the evidence comes from that the relevant report say is so reliable.
[Clancy:] China faces a number of challenges. It's trying to cement its position as a superpower in the world. The country's stratospheric growth is also seen the creation of entirely new cities. Sometimes the developments haven't gone entirely as planned. Ivan Watson is there.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn International Correspondent:] This is the Chinese dream, a young couple, posing for wedding photos. The Zhangs have traveled more than 100 miles for this photo shoot in a park in the provincial capital of Zhengzhou. It's an oasis in an urban landscape of recently constructed towers of glass and steel. But the newlyweds say they can't afford living this Chinese dream. And the same goes for a 25-year-old Li Cai Juan and her friends. They tell us they'd like to live here, but they simply can't afford it. As China's economy has surged, Zhengzhou has experienced a construction boom in an area nearly twice the size of San Francisco. Entire new districts of towers have sprung up where 10 years ago locals say there were only empty fields. Experts call this a uniquely Chinese model of urban development.
[Tom Miller, Author:] China is different because it has this very authorization power structure. And the power rests in the hands of very few people. And that means that local government officials can take big decisions. So looking ahead to 10-15 years, and they can therefore build ahead and create something for a society that hasn't really arrived yet.
[Watson:] Developers are working hard to populate the city's new districts, advertising a buy-two-floors-for-the-price-of-one deal in a new apartment building. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is how one of the real estate companies in town is advertising this new city. And they're basically pitching it to customers as an entire city under construction.
[Unidentified Female:] [Inaudible],
[A, B, C. Watson:] In the showroom, I get a look at plans for a massive new office park.
[Watson:] Do you think there are going to be enough customers for all of this?
[Unidentified Female:] Altogether, probably not, because some people are buying property only for investments.
[Watson:] Investment: experts say some of China's booming real estate market is being driven by wealthy Chinese investors, like this man, who's signing a deal for the purchase of two new unfinished offices. He and his friends say they make much more money buying up property than they would parking their money in banks, where interest rates are low. This speculation in the real estate market has led to some strange results. In Zhengzhou, we find brand-new buildings standing empty. Take this shopping mall, for example. Looks can be deceiving. Outside the signs advertise the shopping experience in this mall, which opened up months ago. But look indoors. There's not a single store in this massive empty space. Ghost developments like this have led some observers to question China's development strategy; if you build it, they will come.
[Miller:] China has ways of making them come as well. So it's build it and they will come and build it and force them to come to a certain extent. But of course, there will be big waste from investments [inaudible] along the way.
[Watson:] So China keeps building, betting that eventually its rapidly growing urban population will need these houses even if, for now, many ordinary Chinese people simply can't afford them Ivan Watson, CNN, Zhengzhou, China.
[Clancy:] Well, Zhengzhou, you know, isn't alone. It's not unique. China has several so-called ghost cities or ghost developments. Shanghai Pudong is considered a classic example of China's urbanization strategy. You're looking at a time lapse of the city's growth. Shanghai, of course, China's financial center, but until the 1990s, Pudong was mostly just farmland, and that's when the government started to build it up and up. And it went from empty to full of millions of people. China expert Stephen Roach says, "China cannot afford to wait to build its new cities. Instead, investment and construction must be aligned with the future influx of urban dwellers." Traditional medicine, very popular in China. You've been there, you know that. You see the stalls all around the countryside and on urban streets. Well, now there's a move to take it mainstream in the West. Andrew Stevens reports one treatment could be on the verge of breaking through.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] Berry Choi is on her fifth day of treatment using traditional Chinese medicine or
[Tcm. Berry Choi, Chinese Medicine User:] I got influenza and I'm coughing. Sometimes I will feel dizzy and, in general, much worse after taking Western medicine. I think Chinese medicine is better.
[Stevens:] Ms. Choi is not alone in thinking that. TCM is a $35 billion industry in China, says Shanghai-based China Market Research. And, it says, the market will likely grow at an astonishing 25 percent a year for at least the next three years. For all its popularity though, Chinese medicine is on sale in hundreds of small outlets like this one across Hong Kong, it's never been used in mainstream prescription medicine. But that could be about to change.
[Unidentified Male:] In 2000, Hutchison China MediTech was established.
[Stevens:] Nutrition Science Partners, a collaboration between Hong Kong-based Chi-Med and the food giant Nestle, is doing final stage testing to get U.S. and European approval for a TCM to treat bowel problems like colitis and Crohn's disease. It's a two-year, multimillion dollar trial that Chi-Med's CEO, Christian Hogg, is confident that HMPL-004, as it's now known, will be a game-changer.
[Christian Hogg, Ceo, Chi-med:] The more similar it is to conventional drugs, the better from the FDA's standpoint.
[Stevens:] One of the biggest barriers to entry into Western mainstream medicine has been the sheer complexity of Chinese medicine, a regular prescription drug has maybe one or a few active ingredients. Chinese remedies have many. These treatments can literally use hundreds of active ingredients, all of which, if they were tested by the FDA, would have to be individually approved, but not HMPL-004. This is a single extract thank you very much from a plant known as Andrographis. It grows across Southeast Asia and East Asia and it's been used for centuries to treat things like stomach ailments and flu.
[Hogg:] I think as time goes by and these products are proven to be safe and effective, the scope will be broadened and more Chinese herbal medicines will be able to get to the global market.
[Stevens:] And it may not be long before the more complex treatments go mainstream as well, says Yibin Feng, a professor of Chinese medicine at Hong Kong University.
[Dr. Yibin Feng, Hong Kong University:] New technology and advanced skills now allow us to find the essential or active ingredients in complex medicines and how they work together to help create more holistic treatments.
[Stevens:] And that won't surprise the millions who use traditional Chinese medicine across the globe every day.
[Choi:] I think Chinese medicines are absolutely valuable. Therefore I think Chinese medicine should be introduced to friends of my China.
[Stevens:] A taste, perhaps, of things to come Andrew Stevens, CNN, Hong Kong.
[Clancy:] All right. "The Age of China," we got a lot coming your way. You can get complete coverage of "The Age of China" on our website from business news to lifestyle features. More like this photo gallery of elaborate wedding photos that are a status symbol for Chinese couples. There's a lot in there. You'll like that. Find it all at CNN.comChina. The United States suffering a spate of destructive tornadoes in recent weeks. The damage left behind in Oklahoma and Texas, testament to the very power of these twisters. But now we want to bring you a different perspective. Storm chasers shot this in the central state of Kansas on Monday. They were literally inside a tornado intercept vehicle. The howling wind you heard there blew one of the doors off. But the vehicle stayed on the ground thank goodness. So how did they manage to survive that tornado? Mari Ramos has all the answers for us, and she joins us now from the World Weather Center. Mari, I don't know if I'd want to be in one of those storm chasers with the doors flying off.
[Mari Ramos, Ams Meteorologist:] Let me tell you something, when they go storm chasing, you have a lot of amateurs and then you have the pros. And even the pros will stay usually about at least a kilometer, maybe two kilometers away from the twister itself because when they're approaching, you want to be able to tell which way the storm is actually moving and be able to have a safe way to get away from that. You don't want to get caught inside your vehicle during a tornado or anywhere outdoors, really. It's extremely dangerous and no one would ever recommend that. But these guys are pros and they have a vehicle that looks a little bit like this.
[Ramos:] There's a video that you were showing of the tornado approaching. They actually wanted to be in the path of this tornado. I wanted to show you the other video first of all, that one right there. That is what this tornado intercept vehicle looks like. They paid us a visit here at CNN Center not too long ago. I remember going out there and kind of reminded me of an armadillo or maybe a turtle, just because it's so close in like that. If you look closely, that right there, those stabilized the car lowers down to the ground so that no wind can get under it and lift it up. And then they have these tubes, these metal tubes on the sides, those right there. But those actually kind of burrow down into the ground to help the vehicle become even more stable. Obviously it's not going to happen in the pavement, but in those dirt roads out there in Oklahoma, they were able to do that. And that's our CNN meteorologist, Chad Myers, kind of climbing in there to the vehicle there in the background. And you see that bubble kind of toward the top, that's where they put the IMAX camera. And the Sean Casey, the IMAX photographer this time around, was able to get up there and actually shoot video in IMAX while that tornado. Let's go ahead and roll the pictures of the tornado now, because I really want you to be able to see this. We've got the IMAX footage, of course. This is the regular footage of the tornado. And then here you see the tornado approaching. While they were inside the vehicle, of course, they did want to get in the path so that they can shoot this amazing footage that they were looking for. Now he did put in his Sean Casey, the IMAX photographer, put in his Facebook page TIV, the vehicle, the tornado intercept vehicle, just hit by a very strong tornado. We are OK and filmed IMAX. Hit with lots of debris. Door opened; piece of wood entered the vehicle, extremely dangerous. The vehicle itself is made to withstand winds that are close to 160 kph, which is already pretty intense. This time around they were caught in a tornado that is estimated to be between 220-280 kph. And when you look at that footage, notice that the wind appears to be coming from the back side of the vehicle or at least from behind us, from this perspective. One of the things to remember about tornadoes and why this is so important, this is not just for fun that they're doing this. A lot of research will come into play when they look at this; see which way the winds are turning around, how the debris patterns actually work. And it's amazing, amazing to be able to see this kind of information, really, and this kind of images coming out of this and, of course, for no one to be hurt in the process. So they really were able to do it the right way. There is the possibility of severe weather again across portions of the U.S. and we'll be tracking it, I'm sure, that Brandon and Sean will be doing that as well.
[Clancy:] Yes, Brandon, you know, this really risky because you, like you noted, the door flies open, the winds are going 220 kph or more. What does that do when a piece of a picket fence, even a straw it has been documented is actually going through people? So you know, don't try this at home, I guess?
[Ramos:] Yes. One of the things that they say about like they were able to study with stuff like this is how other structures are actually able to withstand such strong winds. So like I said, a lot of information can come from images such as that.
[Clancy:] All right. And they were fascinating images. Thanks for sharing, Mari. I remember that truck visited us.
[Ramos:] That's right.
[Clancy:] It's nice to see it back in action. Thank you. Now you're watching NEWS STREAM. And would you want this man to deliver your dinner? Just ahead, a pepperoni pizza that proved too much for him to resist.

[Unidentified Male:] Get out of the car. Get out of car right now! Get out! Get out of the car! Get out of the car! Get out of the car. I did nothing wrong. Out of the car!
[Jackson:] Tonight, a New Jersey man facing several years behind bars is exonerated after dashcam video shows the real story. What he says, well, that cops used unnecessary and excessive force. Now, Marcus Jeter is suing and those police are in big, big trouble with the law. Now this video shows Marcus Jeter pulling over as a police car flashes its lights behind him. The two officers approach, holding guns, one pointed directly at Jeter. Then another officer drives across the median into oncoming traffic slamming right into the front of Jeter`s car. That cruiser`s dashcam video allegedly captured Jeter in the car with his hands up when his window is smashed and he`s punched and elbowed in the face, despite his hands in the air. The officers claim that Jeter was resisting arrest and you know what? Going for his gun. Listen to this.
[Unidentified Male:] Get out of the car! Get out of the car! Get out of the car! I did nothing wrong. Told you to stop. Get out of the car! I did nothing wrong. Get out of the car! Don`t grab me! Get the out of the car! Stop grabbing me. I`m not grabbing you. Don`t go for my gun. Get down! Stop resisting. Stop resisting. I`m not resisting Why are you trying to
[Jackson:] As if this wasn`t enough, the video also appears to show the officer punched Jeter right in the head after he was already cuffed. Now, Jeter was charged with eluding police, resisting arrest and assault. But when prosecutors finally saw this shocking video, the second video, all the charges were dismissed. Now two of the officers have been indicted for falsifying reports. One of them for assault and yet another has pleaded guilty to tampering. I`ll take it straight out to the lion`s den and you, C.W. Jensen. How should the prosecutors treat the police officers who were involved who were clearly saying, stop resisting, you`re going for me gun, when he was doing none of the above?
[Jensen:] Well, obviously a video and everybody`s story isn`t what`s the deal. It`s tough right now. The officers have been indicted. The suspect or the whatever the guy, the driver is free to go. Now will the officers be convicted of any crime? I`ll be honest, I`ll use a really technical term here. This was a GoPro. They kicked the guy`s butt. We all need to see what the end game is. I just don`t know why they did what they did. I`m not saying
[Jackson:] Heather Hanson, don`t we know what the end game is? Apparently, they went to his home, it was a domestic disturbance. They tailed him. He left. They followed him. What should happen here, Heather?
[Hansen:] They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We need bad cops to be prosecuted so the good cops are protected. The great thing about this is that we had the camera on the car and we were able to obtain these tapes so these officers will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We can`t have people like this on the force.
[Jackson:] So Ruby, we know there are great cops out there. We appreciate you and respect you and admire you. Robi Ludwig, this is a pretty traumatic event, is it not? How will this event stain him in his life experiences moving forward?
[Ludwig:] Well, what I was amazed about first of all, when you hear about this victim talk about his story, he was so even about it. And what amazed me is when he put his hands up and the police officers were coming after him, it`s almost like he knew how to play the offensive. He knew how to present himself in a way where he wouldn`t be considered threatening. I think we have the situation of cops who were sadistic for whatever reason and hateful towards the people that they have to interact with. They should be prosecuted. This guy survived. He`s able to tell his story and the truth has come out. So I think in some ways, he`s in a really good place.
[Jackson:] Absolutely. Now just so that you know, we did try to reach out to the Bloomfield Police Department and the three officers involved. We heard back from the attorney of one of the officers. That`s Orlando Trinidad. He`s the one charged with assault as well as falsifying reports. The attorney says, quote, "At the end of the case, I fully expect Orlando Trinidad to be exonerated. We really filed a motion to dismiss the indictment due to what we believe whatever is in the presentation of the case to the grand jury. We believe that the presentation was defective and that the indictment should be dismissed. In the event the motion is denied, we will be fully prepared to present our case to a jury. The officers also plan to file a joint motion to suppress certain evidence including that dashcam video. A clear head on view of exactly what happened. And so I go to you, Evangeline Gomez, and ask you this question. If the indictment gets dismissed, the prosecutor can represent that to the grand jury, can they not?
[Gomez:] The issue here is you have an internal affairs investigation done on these police officers.
[Jackson:] That amazed me.
[Gomez:] And internal affairs didn`t find any kind of wrongdoing. You were a prosecutor. What if you had been presented with this type of evidence? Would you have brought this case? I would hope not.
[Jackson:] That`s the point. You think about internal affairs. It`s a great point. How could it be that internal affairs investigates the case, this person is making these claims and they say, no, the police did everything right and it`s all good, then we find this. Can you explain that, C.W. Jensen?
[Jensen:] Well, I was an internal affairs investigator and a captain in charge of internal affairs. I`m not saying I`m saying they came to a conclusion. I haven`t read that case. Neither have you or anybody else
[Jackson:] But we see what we see. When the cops do something right, we reward them. We appreciate them. But when you see a video like this. When he`s not touching the again and they say, stop touching my gun, his hands are up shouldn`t internal affairs have taken some action, C.W. Jensen?
[Jensen:] Again, a lot of times internal affairs unfortunately I`ve done it for a few years they`re looking at noncriminal issues. They`re looking at issues on regulations and rules.
[Jackson:] Hold on one second. If you don`t
[Jensen:] If they`re indicted, I don`t know how there wasn`t some kind of official misconduct. So I`m as confused as you and nobody knows what actually happened.
[Hansen:] One pled guilty to tampering with evidence.
[Jensen:] Indicted.
[Hansen:] No. He`s pled guilty. He pled guilty
[Jackson:] If C.W. Jensen, speaking about the investigation internally, looking at things noncriminal, don`t you think if it rises to the level of criminality, it would rise to the level of violation of a departmental rule, policy or regulation?
[Hansen:] You would absolutely think so. You would absolutely think so. And it seems there`s some problem within the department there and something that needs to be vetted out. We can`t have police officers that act this way. We need to get rid of them.
[Jackson:] Marcus spoke with Hot 97 about this horrifying experience. Here`s his side.
[Marcus Jeter:] I`m just sitting in there and they still have their guns pointed at me and saying, get out of the car. So I called my lawyer. They`re trying to open the doors. Nothing happens. At that point, they called for back-up. As I`m sitting there, I see another car coming on the opposite side of the Garden State Parkway. As he smashes into the car, the officer that was standing on my left just bust the window. As soon as he opened the door, one of them punched me in my face. I`m in the car, he hits me. My hands are up the whole time. He undoes my seat belt and elbows me in my jaw and he`s like, stop trying to take my gun.
[Jackson:] Now ABC news reports says Jeter`s lawsuit includes that the township tried to conceal one of the dashcam videos. Originally the only video in evidence was this one and that shows what happened from behind the car. In that one, you can`t see that Jeter`s hands were up when an officer is saying, don`t go for my gun. The second tape surfaced later and that completely unravelled the police claims. The prosecutor didn`t even see the video showing what happened from the front of Jeter`s car until after Jeter`s attorney realized it wasn`t even in evidence and got it through a public records request. We only have a portion of that video, but Evangeline Gomez, should that case have even been brought? Real quick.
[Gomez:] The case should not have been brought. I`m concerned the prosecutor in this situation the prosecutor knows about the dashcams, knows how many are in there, how many videos exist. They said it didn`t exist, referring to their clients makes me scratch my head.
[Jackson:] It really does. Should never have been brought. They should have looked at the dashcam video. Coming up, an all-out brawl. Allegations of a crack cocaine use and a lawsuit, just another day at the office for one of TV`s hottest reality shows, the real-life saga of "Love & Hip hop."
[Unidentified Female:] No matter how cool she appears to be with you, she will stab you in your back.

[Cooper:] A magnitude 5.1 earthquake struck Southern Californians with no warning over the weekend. Here's what it looked like at an ice cream parlor near Los Angeles. Dozens of aftershocks followed. It struck on a fault that's less well known than the San Andreas, but potentially even more dangerous. Jason Carroll investigates.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Friday night's performance of "Bye-Bye Birdie" interrupted when the earth started to shake.
[Unidentified Male:] Ladies and Gentlemen, please stay seated.
[Carroll:] Surveillance cameras rolling, with a magnitude 5.1 quake sent a convenience store owner jumping the counter for cover.
[San Deep Rem, Owner, Food Circle:] My first reaction was I'm going to run. I saw them run, I said, let's go.
[Carroll:] The owner and others ran outside. A small part of the store's roof was damaged. Food knocked into the aisles.
[Rem:] The floor starts shaking, something's wrong you have to go.
[Carroll:] Customers at an ice cream parlor, the home of the eight scoop earthquake sundae got a taste of the real thing. At an apartment near the epicenter, fallen pictures, frayed nerves.
[Unidentified Female:] I ran into the middle of the street into the arms of this stranger, and we were in the middle of the street just like hugging.
[Carroll:] More than 100 aftershocks hit the region including a magnitude 4.1 that struck Saturday afternoon. The quake centered around 25 miles south of downtown Los Angeles on the Puente Hills fault. One seismologist have been closely watching.
[Dr. Lucy Jones, Seismologist, U.s. Geological Survey:] When we have a big earthquake on the Puente Hills, the strong shaking is going to be downtown Los Angeles, Hollywood, east L.A. and we are going to see a much, much higher level of damage.
[Carroll:] While there were no injuries reported and damage mostly minor, tremors were a wakeup call, what it means to live in a quake country. They haven't seen a major one since the 1994 North Ridge quake. The magnitude 6.7 was felt as far away as Las Vegas, 57 were killed, 5,000 injured. Property damage estimated at $20 billion. [on camera]: What was learned after that happened?
[Anthony Akins, Los Angeles Fire Department:] We saw In North Ridge we need to have those channels of communication open. We need to be able to respond quickly, not just within ourselves, but with L.A. City and some of the nearby agencies, one of the big focuses that came out of North Ridge.
[Carroll:] The L.A. County Office of Emergency Management estimates there is an 86 percent chance of a magnitude 7.0 or greater earthquake hitting California in the next 30 years. Akins says the recent quakes are a reminder to be prepared. While the tremors sent some ducking for cover. His message not being felt by everyone.
[Jb Carlin, Los Angeles Resident:] Nervous and not prepared.
[Khara Aerts, Los Angeles Resident:] I'd say we're sufficiently, sort of ready, as ready as one could be.
[Cooper:] Jason, you talk about that 86 percent chance of a 7.0 or greater earthquake hitting California in the next 30 years. There's no way to predict when or where that can happen?
[Carroll:] Right. I mean, it could happen on the San Andreas fault and the Puente Hills fault. That was a fault that was recently discovered. I believe in 1999, and you look at what happened at North Ridge in 1994, that fault scientists didn't know about until unfortunately after their earthquake had happened. So the point really is, when you talk to emergency officials, it's going to happen, where it's going to happen, they're not sure, but it is going to happen, be prepared. This weekend should be a reminder to do some basic things, having supplies such as food and water for at least 72 hours, have those supplies ready this weekend a reminder as to the reason why -Anderson.
[Cooper:] Medication as well. Jason Carroll, thanks very much. Up next, a new GM recall affecting more than a million vehicles and the governor of Washington State making a special request to President Obama to assist the victims in the devastating landslide. More on that ahead.

[Romans:] International anger over the CIA torture report is growing. Allies offering criticism and U.S. adversaries having a field day. Live in Cairo now, CNN's Ian Lee. Ian, is there any chance U.S. officials implicated in torture will be prosecuted? If not, then what?
[Ian Lee, Cnn Reporter:] Christine, there has been a strong international call for the prosecution of Bush-era officials, especially coming from human rights groups like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, as well as the United Nations. A U.N. human rights official recently talked to our Christiane Amanpour.
[Ben Emmerson, U.n. Human Rights Official:] Whether the program produced actual intelligence or not is irrelevant. The obligation to prosecute crimes of torture is an obligation resting on the United States, because it's party to the Torture Convention. And whether or not actionable intelligence resulted makes no difference to the legal liability of those who committed the crimes of torture.
[Lee:] Christine, so far, the Obama administration has resisted any calls for prosecution. But that doesn't mean all options are off. The executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union has issued Obama to offer a pardon. Now, while that would let these Bush era officials off the hook, it would send a strong message to anyone in the future who considers torture that they could be prosecuted. The other option is going to the European courts who have shown more willingness to prosecute or to at least investigate U.S. involving torture. There's one case in particular, from 2009 when almost two dozen CIA operatives were convicted in an Italian court for nabbing a man off the streets of Milan and bringing him to Egypt for investigation. Well, even though those convictions went through, it is unlikely any of them will be brought over to Italy to face their sentence Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Ian Lee for us this morning live from Cairo thank you, Ian. The West Coast pummeled by a monster storm packing gusty winds, torrential rain and communities crippled, flights canceled, subway shutdown and streets under water. I want you to look at this scene, this is San Francisco where cars these cars are submerged. The rain is making it completely, absolutely treacherous for people to get around. Winds also packing a punch, toppling trees. You can see this one uprooted, crushing this SUV parked in a driveway. Two children were hurt when the tree came crashing down on the school playground in Santa Cruz. Emergency crews rushed to save an 11-year- old boy pinned underneath the tree. He is OK. Another young girl who was struck by branches was treated for minor injuries. One person injured in San Jose when heavy rain sparked a roof collapse at a Safeway grocery store. People who were inside at the time, they describe the scene as chaos.
[Unidentified Male:] It's hectic. You just hear loud noises and crashing. And it's just really scary. I had to call 911 and just freaked out.
[Romans:] Besides the rain, there was also snow. You can see this blizzard coming down in the northern sierra. At least two feet of snow fell there. Here's a couple of daredevils making the best of the rough surf. This surf, you're never going to believe this, on Lake Tahoe. The storm's gusty winds made for some impressive waves for surfers. Again, on Lake Tahoe. In Oregon, a homeless man was killed when a tree toppled on his tent in Mt. Ashland. The 40-year-old son said the tree fell across his dad's arm and chest. The teenager said he tried to give his dad CPR, but it was just too late. And strong winds also picked up a sheet metal, causing it to fly to a high rise in downtown Portland, metal shattered a window in a lawyer's office. People inside had to duck for cover fast.
[Unidentified Male:] It was coming so fast, I had about one second to turn away from the window so my back was to the window. It blew in and shattered glass went everywhere, totally. And papers, it was like being in a tornado. My papers in my office were flying in all directions.
[Romans:] One of the lawyers suffered a nick to the face. Fortunately, no one else was seriously hurt. So, is there any relief in sight for the West Coast? Let's get to meteorologist Derek Van Dam for an early look at your weather. Some of those pictures are just amazing.
[Derek Van Dam, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, impressive stuff. Winds totally in excess of hurricane force. I have good news to report. The rain is slowly starting to subside in San Francisco Bay Area. In fact, the National Weather Service has lifted the flood watch for the area. But now, we're going to focus our attention on Los Angeles and San Diego. A band of heavy rainfall will move in over the next three to four hours. That means morning rush hour, avoid it if you can. Two to four inches expected for the greater Los Angeles area. Still, a foot to 2 feet of snow across the Sierra Nevada Mountain range. We also have high wind warnings for the Southern California region, including Nevada. And that is going to pick up winds in excess of 70 miles per hour in some locations, especially in the higher elevations. We say good-bye to the storm system, but hello to another storm come Monday and Tuesday of next week. Elsewhere across the rest of the United States, sunny and mild across the Southeast, but very cold across the New England coast. Temperatures in the mid-30s for the Big Apple and surrounding areas. Boston will top 40 degrees. Christine, back to you.
[Romans:] All right. Derek, thank you for that this morning, this Friday morning. Your weather for the weekend. Another Cosby accuser steps forward, this time Beverly Johnson, an iconic model from the 1970s. In an essay for "Vanity Fair", she details an incident where she says Cosby drugged a coffee for her during a read through for a role on "The Cosby Show."
[Beverly Johnson, Model:] In the second sip, I knew I had been drugged, and I had been drugged really good. He was getting angry. He was pissed and he grabbed me by my arm and dragged me down the brownstone stairs. He threw me in the taxi.
[Romans:] Johnson says Cosby escorted her out of his home when she wouldn't stop cursing at him. CNN has reached out to Cosby's attorney but has not heard back yet. Stay with us. Johnson will join us live during the 8:00 a.m. hour of "NEW DAY." New questions are being raised about an alleged gang rape at the University of Virginia. The college students described as friends of the alleged rape victim Jackie have come forward and are challenging key aspects of her story. Two of her friends told ABC News some of "Rolling Stone's" article are false.
[Ryan, Friend Of Alleged Uva Victim:] The reason we did not go to the police is because Jackie didn't want to.
[Interviewer:] Jackie said to you, I don't want to go to police. She said those words to you?
[Ryan:] Yes.
[Interviewer:] They attribute to you in this article as saying, she is going to be the girl who cried rape and will never allowed into any fraternity party again. Did you ever say that?
[Kathryn Hendley, Friend Of Alleged Uva Victim:] No.
[Interviewer:] So, this is not true.
[Hendley:] No.
[Romans:] Police in Virginia are still investigating that alleged assault. President Obama is backing Washington, D.C.'s vote to legalize marijuana. Voters in the nation's capital approved the measure to legalize possession of up to two ounces of pot, or up to three plants for personal use. Meantime, the Justice Department has given the OK for Indian tribes to grow and sell marijuana on their lands as long as they follow the same federal conditions laid out for states that have legalized the drug. A whooping cough epidemic spreading in California. The state Department of Health tallying nearly 10,000 cases so far this year. The worse outbreak there in 70 years. Epidemiologists blame the high number on the limitations on the new vaccine introduced in the '90s because it has fewer side effects on better testing and diagnosis. And another epidemic starting in California. This one spreading among professional hockey teams mumps. It's basically a childhood disease, but at least five NHL teams have been affected so far. The outbreak started in Southern California with the Anaheim Ducks, and it spread to teams in Minnesota, New York, New Jersey. Teams offering booster shots to their players. Hackers exposing private e-mails from Sony executives, revealing some embarrassing moments, comments about celebrities and even the president. New developments after the break.

[Romans:] All right. Let's get an early start on your money this morning. U.S. stock futures are higher. Yesterday, stocks popped to the Federal Reserve's statement. The Dow ended up 227 points. The Fed Reserve dropped its promise to be patient when it comes to raising interest rates. The Fed chair, there she is, Janet Yellen, she stressed the central bank will not be impatient either, and a rate hike is unlikely at the next meeting in April. The Fed also lowered growth forecast, which could delay a rate hike even longer. Oil prices tanking again this morning. U.S. crude oil look at the chart, Berman down 3 percent, around $43 a barrel, $43 a barrel. That is near a six-year low. The supply glut is not going anywhere.
[Berman:] It's that little double dip at the end. It's got to be concerning for investors.
[Romans:] Yes, America's oil stockpiles keep climbing to historic levels. Cheap fuel, great for consumers, devastating for oil companies. More than 100,000 oil jobs around the world have been lost because of the decline in oil prices. A big win for Seattle workers. Local franchise owners challenge the city's plan to have the highest minimum wage in the country, saying they could put them out of business, raising the minimum would hurt those franchise owners. But guess what? A judge rejected that argument. Starting April 1st, workers will get at least $11 an hour. That will go up to 15 bucks an hour by 2017. Target also boosting employee wages. Workers will make at least $9 an hour at Target starting in April. It's following a trend, right? Wal-Mart did this earlier this year; Gap did it last year. You're seeing these companies raising wages in part because the job market is improving, turnover is an issue; they want to keep workers so they're realizing they have to pay raise the pay.
[Berman:] Could be a good sign for the economy overall. EARLY START continues right now.

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] I'm Suzanne Malveaux. It's a simple handshake in front of the cameras, but the relationship between presidents Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama definitely still strained. Their first face to face since the crisis in Syria. And speaking of strained relationships, lawmakers feeling the heat from their constituents. Latest polls shows 59 percent of Americans do not want the U.S. to take military action inside Syria. So, how will that sentiment affect the vote? We're going to take a closer look. And Pope Francis making a personal plea to the Russian president, find a peaceful solution for Syria. The G-20 summit formally began in Russia's second largest city today, St. Petersburg. It is designed to bring the world's top economic powers together. But this year's meeting has one main issue hanging over it, what to do about Syria? President Obama is openly looking for allies to join his call for military strikes on Syria. The president is convinced that Syrian troops used chemical weapons against civilians there, killing hundreds of men, women and children. Now, back in the states, President Obama well, rather, Obama officials, they are holding closed door briefings with lawmakers today, hoping to secure more votes in favor of military strikes. And even the pope now getting involved in this debate. Pope Francis wrote a letter to the G-20 leaders asking them to seek peace through dialog not military action. I want you to listen to the president speaking in Russia. He makes his case at the G-20 very clear.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] I also look forward to having an extensive conversation about the situation in Syria, and I think our joint recognition of that, the use of chemical weapons in Syria, is not only a tragedy but also a violation of international law that must be addressed.
[Malveaux:] The G-20, of course, it is the group of 20. It is an international forum that brings finance ministers and central bank governors together from 19 countries and the European Union. The G-20 was initially formed after the financial crisis of 1997 which revealed just how vulnerable the international financial system was at the time. Well, it is often now overshadowed by the world's pressing issues and the crises that leaders have to deal with these days. The G-20 Leaders' Summit, it brings together the heads of state for formal meetings and equally important, however, are the side bar meetings that President Obama is having with the leaders of China, France, and Japan. And, of course, this year the big focus, the side bars, that is the crisis in Syria. Now, you can see with this map here what a huge portion of the world the G-20 represents. Even though it's only 20 countries, two-thirds of the world's population lives here. Now, the countries involved are Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States. I want to go live to St. Petersburg now where the G-20 leaders, they are gathering. Our Jim Acosta following this, of course. And we saw the moment that moment when everybody was waiting for when you had presidents Obama and Putin come together. They shook hands and I think Obama slightly disarmed him a little by smiling and laughing a little bit. Tell us what this relationship is like now and what do they hope to accomplish in the next 48 hours?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn National Political Correspondent:] Well, Suzanne, the relationship, you know, is pretty apparent to everybody's eyes. It's been on ice in recent weeks not only because of what's happening in Syria right now and the Obama administration accusations Russia is blocking any actions at the United Nations but because of the NSA's surveillance programs, Edward Snowden being granted temporary asylum here. And, you know, Snowden is here in Russia where we're standing right now and he is not really the subject of conversation. It is about Syria. This has been really on the president's mind and the advisers' minds within the Obama administration who are with him on this trip. We heard the president say that in that just a bit of sound that you played a few moments ago with the prime minister of Japan. But, Suzanne, I just want to let you know earlier this afternoon, the press secretary for Russian President Vladimir Putin held a briefing here in St. Petersburg. He is sort of Russia's equivalent of Jay Carney. And I asked him a question about this Obama administration claim that Russia is blocking action at the United Nations Security Council. He sort of side stepped that question and went to really the Russian default response to these issues about Syria. He said that the world needs to remember the lesson from Iraq. Here is what he had to say.
[Dmitry Peskov, Russian Press Secretary:] We're well aware that no weapons of mass destruction were discovered in Iraq so not every proof can be a proof in itself. So, Russian encourages to consider this situation in a responsible manner while not using the fact to justify some reasons of the actions and Putin mentioned them.
[Acosta:] Do you believe that the United States is fabricating the evidence or lying about the evidence?
[Peskov:] I didn't say that. I said that we all need a convincing and legitimate evidence of proof. We highly appreciate our cooperation with American partners, and we would like our relations with the U.S. to be very positive.
[Acosta:] And so, you heard the Russian press secretary there, Dmitry Peskov, answering that question really basically saying this has to be handled at the United Nations. And Russia still very much against a unilateral strike on part of the United States. And just for the record, Suzanne, I did ask Mr. Peskov to answer that question in English. He reminded me, we are in Russia. He is answering in Russian Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] All right. Fair enough. Thank you, Jim. Appreciate it. Let us know if there are any side bar meetings, meetings on the margin between those two leaders.
[Acosta:] All right.
[Malveaux:] Appreciate it. And CNN, of course, is tallying how Congress is going to vote. So far in the House, 18 Democrats and nine Republicans are backing President Obama. Twenty-three Democrats and 60 Republicans are against him and more than 300 lawmakers are either undecided or their feelings are unknown. Now, I want to take a look at the Senate, 17 Democrats and seven Republicans support a strike against Syria. Three Democrats and 13 Republicans do not with 58 senators still undecided. Still quite a bit of a debate left there. And you can see how the lawmakers plan to vote on a strike against the Assad regime in Syria. Just go to CNN.com, slash, politics and click on counting votes. You can click through interactive tally state by state, name, comments, whatever. The tally is running and it's based on public statements, press releases, and these interviews from the lawmakers. And, of course, lawmakers well aware that the American public does not support military action in Syria. Polls are actually showing that, so it's backing it up. But people very much still divided. They are staying protesters starting to take to the streets to voice their opposition as well. This is a protest. It was held this week in Minneapolis. It was just outside a senator's office. I want to bring in Jessica Yellin from Washington to talk a little bit about that. Really, the passion and people are becoming aware now. They're paying attention to what is happening. They're taking to the streets. I imagine a lot of lawmakers who are getting a lot of questions and a lot of backlash as well.
[Jessica Yellin, Cnn Chief White House Correspondent:] That's right, Suzanne, and yesterday we saw that especially in the House committee hearing when Republican Congressman Duncan held up a lot of papers and said this thick wad of papers represents e-mails from constituents who say they fiercely oppose this effort. What we're seeing, as you might expect, is that Republican lawmakers are more openly expressing the criticism they're hearing from their own constituents. Democratic lawmakers saying that they're hearing from their constituents about war weariness from concerns over Iraq and Afghanistan. And, you know, there is a natural split there with the president's base a little more reluctant to criticize him, Republicans who tend to be more in favor of military action, in general, were willing to speak out because they oppose the president these days. So, it's a little hard to read where people really stand on the strike as opposed to on the politics of supporting an effort by President Obama.
[Malveaux:] And, Jessica, I thought it was interesting this morning Chris Cuomo, he was interviewing the former defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, and he asked him if he thought there were any mistakes that had been made from Iraq, because we are living with the legacy of Iraq when you look at whether or not we should go into Syria. And the one thing that he was that he at least did acknowledge here was that he felt that this whole nation this whole idea of the notion of nation building was something that the U.S. had to be cautious about, perhaps more cautious than when they went into Iraq. I want to you listen to how he put it.
[Donald Rumsfeld, Former Defense Secretary:] Now, are we capable of nation building in the United States of America? No, I think we're not. I think people in a country have to build their own nation. And we don't speak those languages and we ought to be, I think, modest about any impression we have that we can do nation building in and the idea that the template we have that we have arrived at after hundreds of years is necessarily the proper template for other countries.
[Malveaux:] So, Jessica, is that what lawmakers are hearing, maybe somewhat of the acknowledgment from Rumsfeld that, you know what? We've got to be really careful before you get involved in trying to completely change a regime, a country, a culture?
[Yellin:] Well, I think these are two different instances because this White House has been pretty clear and I think you probably agree, Suzanne. They're not interested in going in and changing Syria. This is about a surgical strike and leaving. And, you know, if there are consequences, dealing with those consequences. Whereas Iraq was about changing the government. What I found striking about what Donald Rumsfeld said there and you covered them that administration just as I did, is he said the exact same thing before they went into Iraq. I found a quote from him, Suzanne
[Malveaux:] Yes.
[Yellin:] in the early part of 2003 before the U.S. invaded Iraq where he said, the goal would not be to impose an American style template on Iraq, same words, template on Iraq, but create conditions where Iraqis can form a government in their own unique way. So, I mean, this was his view before but they went ahead and proceeded in their own way. He just opposes the president, this president's, efforts now sort of striking.
[Malveaux:] I think you're absolutely right, Jessica, because one of the things that people are having a hard time is trust. Trust in what the government is saying. Trust in the officials, what does it mean when you put out the message and then it turns, it goes in a different direction and, you know, that is the fear.
[Yellin:] I
[Malveaux:] Yes, absolutely. Jessica, thank you. I really appreciate it.
[Yellin:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] Tune into CNN tonight. It is a special town hall on Syria. It's going to be hosted by our own "NEW DAY" anchor, Chris Cuomo. He's going to be talking with a panel of experts, and he's going to be taking questions about evidence, the evidence we're talking about, of a chemical attack in Syria and, of course, the proposed U.S.-led military response. That is tonight, 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN. Here is also what we're working on for this hour. John Kerry spent 27 years in Congress. Well now, he is on the other side of the table as secretary of state facing his greatest challenges yet, Syria. And for the last two years, Florida Senator Marco Rubio, he's been demanding U.S. intervention in Syria. But now, he is shifting his position. We'll take a look at that as well.

[Blitzer:] We're following the breaking news. Just a little while ago, President Obama said he'll keep consulting with Congress about U.S. military action against ISIS and but in the president's words, and I'm quoting the president now, "We don't have a strategy yet." White house officials later clarified that the president meant a military strategy for strikes on ISIS in Syria. White House officials say they do have a strategy for dealing with ISIS in Iraq. With us now the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, Representative Adam Smith, he's joining us from Seattle. Congressman, thanks very much for joining us. Were you alarmed when you heard the president say we don't have a strategy yet?
[Rep. Adam Smith , Armed Services Committee:] Well, I think what he was talking about was specifically Syria. I think the real issue there is finding a partner to work with. I mean what gave us a good strategy in Iraq was, where we had the Kurds to work with and then once Maliki was removed as prime minister and they brought in a new prime minister that could give the Sunnis in Iraq some hope of a power sharing arrangement, we had someone to work with. U.S. military might alone is not going to contain ISIS. We are going to need partners locally and who is that partner in Syria right now? Do we really want to come in on Assad's side? I don't think we do. So we need to find partners that we can work with in Syria to help us contain ISIS. And I think that's what the president's point of view. That's the vexing problem. ISIL is a grave, grave threat. But we certainly don't want to come in a way in a way that is supportive of the brutal and illegitimate Assad regime in Syria. So it is a difficult problem to figure out what the best strategy is. I mean, I agree, they have safe haven there in parts of Syria and that will have to be part of the strategy for containing ISIL. It's just it's just not an easy problem to deal with.
[Blitzer:] So if the president does decide after consultations with his military advisors and others, members of Congress, to go ahead and launch airstrikes against ISIS targets in Syria, would you support that?
[Smith:] I can conceive of supporting that, yes, because I do agree with Congressman Rogers and others who have talked about the grave threat that ISIS presents. They are a rising terrorist organization. They have already, you know, as we know, killed one American brutally and savagely. They have threatened attacks on U.S. interests and European interests probably. They are a threat that needs to be contained. I mean, if part of containing that threat involves striking them in Syria, then that's something I think we would have to do. But I'll tell you, most important thing here is, we need allies in the region to help us contain that threat. We cannot come in unilaterally and simply through U.S. military might stop this. We need moderates in that region to confront ISIS and we need to build the political support to do this. This is not going to be just a military solution.
[Blitzer:] What about arming that so-called Free Syrian Amy, the moderate rebel who oppose Bashar al-Assad's regime? Will you support that?
[Smith:] Absolutely, yes. As you know, we've been working with them for some time. The president has now proposed a Department of Defense mission to you know, train and equip. I think we should be supporting the Free Syria Movement in any way we can. Because like I said, we need moderates, we need people we can work with and support wherever we can find them. I know some have said, well, gosh, you know, supporting the Free Syria Movement wouldn't necessarily be decisive. It wouldn't empower them to remove the Assad regime. But that's not the only goal. Part of the goal is we need friends in that region. We need reasonable people to work with. Certainly the Assad regime is not that. Certainly al-Nusra is not that and ISIS is not that. So the Free Syria Movement may be the only game in town for us finding those reasonable partners that we need to work with. And we have to strengthen them not so much so that they can win but so that they can survive and maintain some territory to give us a partner to work with.
[Blitzer:] But you know there are widespread reports and there's confirmation even from elements of the Free Syrian Army that they are cooperating with al-Nusra, especially in the southern part of Iraq right now and that if U.S. arms go to the Free Syrian Army, the moderate element, there's no guarantee they won't wind up in the hands of al-Nusra. How worried are you about that?
[Smith:] That's true. There is no guarantee on that issue. But two pieces to that. First of all, al-Nusra and ISIS are very, very well-armed. They have found weapons all over the place. Second of all, we know that if we don't help the Free Syria Movement, they're going to have a difficult time surviving. Now we have to try to be as careful as we can about who we support within that movement. We shouldn't be supporting ones who are collaborating with Nusra or ISIS. But if there are moderate elements in there that we can support and there have been, you know, some that we have supported we should seek them out and support them.
[Blitzer:] There certainly are moderate elements
[Smith:] There's no strategy here, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] There certainly are moderate elements. The only question is, are they strong enough to protect those weapons if the U.S. were to provide them with those weapons because you saw a lot of U.S. military hardware provided even to the Iraqi military several hundred thousand forces who simply abandoned all that weaponry in the face of some challenge from ISIS. And there's deep concern you arm the Free Syrian Army, those weapons are going to wind up in the hands of al-Nusra, a group the U.S. State Department regards as a terrorist organization.
[Smith:] Well, there is no such thing, Wolf, as a no risk strategy in this region. There is no scenario you can put out there. No approach that we could take that doesn't contain risk. It's a matter of taking the right risk and balancing those risks to make the best choice. And if we're ever going to have any hope of dealing with Syria, we need to build some partnerships in Syria with somebody, have somebody that we can work with. So, yes, there's risk contained in that strategy but we can't afford to have no friends at all in Syria if we hope to contain the threat that's coming out of
[Isis. Blitzer:] Congressman Adam Smith is member of the House Armed Services Committee, the Ranking Member, I should say. Thanks very much, Congressman, for joining us.
[Smith:] Thank you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Up next, a fascinating new video. You're going to hear an American explain why he joined with the Syrian terrorists. He eventually became a suicide bomber. Also Hillary Clinton is now weighing in on the troubles in Ferguson, Missouri, and the larger question of what they mean for the entire nation.

[Baldwin:] The president is reviewing U.S. policy on hostage negotiations. We know that White House official say President Obama order the review over the summer but no doubt, the tensions on it has intensified after this recent beheading of Peter Kassig. There on the right side of your screen, Kassig is the third American held hostage to die at the hands of ISIS. However, there is one very specific piece of this policy that will not be on the table. So, on the table, I should say. So, let's go to Washington where chief Washington correspondent, host of "the LEAD" Jake Tapper. And why don't we just begin with that nonnegotiable there, Jake.
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Chief Washington Correspondent:] Well, what the Obama administration says is non-negotiable is whether or not the United States government will ever pay ransom for Americans hostages. This is different from some of our European allies. ISIS, for example, was holding some Spanish and I believe Italian prisoners I'm sorry, French prisoners earlier this Spring. And through an inter-media the Europeans paid ransom. But as the White House press secretary josh Earnest reiterated today, that will not change in this review.
[Josh Earnest, White House Deputy Press Secretary:] The reason for that is simple. We don't want to put other American citizens at even greater risk around the globe. And that knowing that terrorist organizations can extract a ransom from United States if they can take a hostage, it only puts American citizens at greater risk.
[Tapper:] Now, critics of the Bowe Bergdahl swap earlier this year, you may recall Brooke, say that there really isn't much of a difference when it comes to incentivizing the hostage taking of Americans. Either way, whether it is for a prisoner swap or for ransom, you are giving terrorist groups a reason to take Americans hostage. But in any case, the undersecretary of defense is conducting this review right now. And I think some of the things that are talking about reviewing is whether or not it should be one designated point person to deal with these families, and other ways that the administration can deal with these families, and some of whom, as you know, have criticized the Obama administration's handling of these cases.
[Baldwin:] Just to follow up on that point, isn't that part of the issue? And I was talking to a former hostage last hour, sort of saying that is the frustration point. You know that the administration or whoever is doing the negotiating or communicating has that information. You know, and is not sharing it with these families who are hanging on every word to know if their loved one is OK. Do you think, having covered for, you know, this administration, do you think that may change? That, just communicating.
[Tapper:] Yes, the communication. Well, there has been a lot of criticism, much of it behind the scenes. But there has been some strong criticism. You might remember after Mr. Foley was killed, was murdered by ISIS, his mother made some strong comments. And I think that, first of all, the person who has been in charge of this, Liza Monaco, the president's counterterrorism adviser is somebody that, to be quite honest just has a lot on her plate and maybe doesn't maybe isn't the person who should be dealing with the families. Maybe there should be somebody else we should be dealing with them. We're going to be talking to somebody else who was once a hostage, David Rohde, who I'm sure you know, he is a Reuters investigative reporter and he was held captive by the Taliban and Pakistan until he escaped seven months into his captivity. And there were negotiations going on with the Taliban trying to get money, trying to get prisoners in exchange for him and we'll talk to him and see what he thinks. He's been covering a lot of these families.
[Baldwin:] We will look for that. Jake Tapper, thank you so much. We'll see you in 17 minutes from now at the top of the hour on "the LEAD." Meantime, days before the start of the Miss World pageant, a beauty queen disappears. Where did she go? What happened to her? Is she in danger? That's ahead.

[Whitfield:] All right. Leaders of both Facebook and Google deny the government has access to their servers. They are reacting to the U.S. admitting that it tracks the online movement of some foreigners. The government also said this week its national security agency tracks the data of millions of phone calls and one senator said it's been doing so for the last seven years. How is the government tracking your information? CNN's Laurie Seagal joins us now live from New York. Good to see you, Laurie.
[Laurie Segall, Cnn Tech Reporter:] Nice to see you.
[Whitfield:] OK. So help us understand this surveillance program by the National Security Adviser.
[Segall:] You know what? It's very complicated. I will tell you this. We keep hearing about moving parts and the thing that's interesting about this is there is what we know and what we don't know. We keep finding out more information about what we don't know. It comes down to is your data, your privacy and what you are sharing on a regular basis. We broke it down for you. Check it out.
[Matthew Green, Encryption Expert:] What we learned is that there is a program. The program is basically designed to get information from Silicon Valley companies.
[Segall:] Major tech companies including Google, Facebook and Microsoft deny any knowledge of a program called PRISM run by the National Security Agency. According to classified documents obtained by the "Washington Post," PRISM collected data from nine major tech companies. At the heart of the matter, data mining.
[Green:] Data mining is the process of taking huge sets of data, information about what you have done, what you bought, all of this information that by itself would be very hard for a person to make any sense of. But then applying modern computer algorithms to it to basically pull out information out. You can see how that would be useful for National Security Agency, for example.
[Segall:] It's a common practice, but one users were shocked to hear about when these leaked slides give an inside look at how far the NSA was able to go.
[Green:] The slides mention e-mail, they may have other information, things like photos, for example, that you upload or took on your phone and were uploaded to, for example, Apple servers.
[Segall:] All of the companies mentioned have denied granting the government sweeping access saying that they took their users' privacy seriously and they will only share information when there is a court order. How could the NSA gather that information without the company's knowledge?
[Green:] One of the conjectures people are making is that they are actually tapping into the data that goes over the wire.
[Segall:] The director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, says the law covering such surveillance, "cannot be used to intentionally target any U.S. citizen, any other U.S. person, or anyone located within the United States." [on camera]: When you have a privacy scare like this the next step is people say, "Hey, how do we prevent this from happening?" Well, there is no easy answer. In short it's very difficult. But there are alternatives.
[Chris Soghoian, Privacy Researcher:] There are a bunch of tools that people can use. There is one that's been actually developed with State Department money for use in Arab Spring countries called a red phone. It's supported by the State Department and other NGOs.
[Segall:] As users try to understand how to protect themselves, Silicon Valley is under fire.
[Soghian:] I think these companies may be held accountable. I also think some subset of the population are maybe going to think twice before they store certain private files with these companies.
[Segall:] And Fredricka, I should mention just now we have a note from James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence and he's declassifying some information. Because he says there's a lot of information out there that people just don't seem to understand. He says PRISM is used to facilitate the collection of data. He said it's not data mining. So we are hearing from all sides. But, you know, the reason it's got a lot of hype was the "Washington Post" had initially said the government is going directly to the servers. Well, that may not be the case. And from what we're hearing it isn't necessarily the case. They have to have a court order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. So that's what we are hearing right now. We'll keep you updated with anything coming in on this. Because when it comes down to it, it's our privacy. You know, you look at this kind of stuff and we say we need more transparency. You got a big scare factor here.
[Whitfield:] All right. Laurie Seagal. Thanks so much. In New York.
[Segall:] Thank you.
[Whitfield:] And this just in to the CNN "Newsroom." A grim sign possibly in the search for a missing teacher in Louisiana. Police in

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Alright, good morning and welcome to NEW DAY to our viewers in the U.S. and around the world. I'm joined by Alisyn Camerota, and we do have breaking news about Ebola in the U.S. A second health care worker in Texas now infected with the virus. Health officials say the worker reported a high fever last night, and was immediately isolated. This beleaguered hospital now has two cases on their hands.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Yes, confirmation is expected today from the Centers for Disease Control. This comes as nurses there allege a shocking lack of protocol in treating the virus within their own hospital. We have a lot of breaking developments in the Ebola front this morning for you. Our coverage begins with senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen who is live for us from Dallas. Elizabeth, tell us all of the details that you've learned this morning.
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Alisyn, as you've said, what we've learned is that now a second health care worker here at Texas Health Presbyterian has been diagnosed with Ebola. CDC director, Tom Frieden, basically tried to prepare the country for this earlier this week when he said if there was one, there may be more, because this breach in protocol wasn't Nina Pham's fault. It was a problem with the protocol, it appears, that was used at this hospital. Now, a nurse's union says that they've been getting complaints from nurses at this hospital. Some of the allegations are pretty shocking. Let's take a listen to what this union had to say.
[Deborah Burger, Co-president Of Nation Nurses United:] Our nurses are not protected, they're not prepared to handle Ebola. On his return visit to the hospital, Mr. Duncan was left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present. The nurses raised questions and concerns about the fact that the skin on their neck was exposed. They were told to use medical tape wound around their neck that is not impermeable.
[Cohen:] Now to be to be clear here, the union did not release the names of the nurses, did not say how many nurses made these calls, but certainly concerning to hear this, coupled with the fact that now two workers have become infected with Ebola Chris, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] It is so troubling. So now that hospital behind you is treating two has had two outbreaks or I should say two exposures. So are they equipped? Do they feel equipped to deal with this second case now?
[Cohen:] You know, in the beginning, before this happened, over the summer, the CDC was saying look, any hospital can handle an Ebola patient, we've sent out emails and guidelines and given webinars. I was speaking with an official or leader this morning who said, you know what? In retrospect, we should have transferred Thomas Eric Duncan to either Emory or to Nebraska. Those are two hospitals that are especially trained to deal with these kinds of biohazards. I think the feeling among many experts I've talked to is that there was too much confidence in every hospital in America. That every hospital would be able to handle an Ebola patient when clearly we've seen that at one hospital when they took care of an Ebola patient, they got two more people sick.
[Camerota:] Great point. Elizabeth, thank you. We'll talk to you throughout the show.
[Cuomo:] Well, look, here's the problem, you don't get to choose where you have Ebola cases so you do need to be prepared. Let's get some perspective on what this means for this one hospital and what it means for the threat going forward in general. We have with us Dr. Joseph McCormick. Now few know more about Ebola than he does. He helped investigate the first Ebola epidemic in Central Africa. He worked on the CDC on that and is now a professor and regional dean at the University of Texas School of Public Health. Thank you very much, Doctor, for being with us here this morning. The first big point is when you hear that a second nurse who was treating we believe obviously the man who died, Mr. Duncan, are you shocked to hear this?
[Dr. Joseph Mccormick, Professor And Regional Dean, University Of Texas School Of Public Health:] Not shocked at all particularly after we had the first one. I think the first one was a bit more of a surprise than the second because I think that started to make us examine the actual protocols that were being used more thoroughly. When I see what the procedures, even that Dr. Gupta showed us. I'm saying to myself, whoa, this is not to me, the kind of protocol that should be used. The probably the biggest danger is, when you are taking off your gear. When after you've seen the patient you may be contaminated. That's the biggest issue. From what I saw, there needs to be some, some changes in that protocol. But there was no protocol. We heard from the very beginning that when when Duncan was seen, all the way through the handling of specimens.
[Cuomo:] So do you think this is about what's going on in this specific hospital or is this is a little bit of a window into the reality of how difficult it is to deal with Ebola?
[Mccormick:] You can deal with Ebola in a hospital like the Presbyterian Hospital, but you have to have the protocols. Whether you're in the hospital in the middle of Sierra Leone or a hospital in Dallas, you have to have the protocols in place. You have to get buy-in by all of the team. You have to have a trained team, it's not that difficult, but it has to be done. And if you're saying, well, we're so good technically that we're not worried about it. That's the kind of complacency that I think Elizabeth Cohen is talking about.
[Camerota:] We want to bring in Dr. Alexander Van Tulleken. Thanks so much for joining us. So we know we learned yesterday that the patient, Mr. Duncan, who died, had been 70 health care workers had come into contact with him. Two of them are now sick. Talk about the exponential quality of this, to all the people that they've come into contact with for the past 48 hours or week now have to be checked?
[Dr. Alexander Van Tulleken, Cnn Medical Analyst:] I think we have to approach this as if that's a possibility. Personally, I think it's extremely unlikely. But what we've seen is a lot of talk about precautionary principles and taking as much care as we can. It hasn't worked. So I would look at the rest of these 70 people and their contacts, as being a much higher risk than we previously we would have done. What I think the hindsight would have been sensible. We do have a sensitive blood test to look for the virus in the blood. Why we weren't getting serial blood measurements on this. If nothing else, just to improve our knowledge.
[Cuomo:] You told about this yesterday, I was completely shocked. Because we've been telling everybody and it is true, you have a 21-day window here, that's very confounding to when you're exposed to when you can give it to somebody else. But during that 21 days just to follow up, Dr. McCormick, you can test on day one of the 21-day period and know whether or not I have the virus, true?
[Mccormick:] Not necessarily on day one.
[Cuomo:] Which day?
[Mccormick:] Well, it depends on how much virus you got in the first place. This gets into the weeds of the science, but if you get a big dose like Mr. Duncan probably did, then you're going to see the virus within three or four days.
[Cuomo:] So it's not foolproof. You can't test all 70 of these people right now that Alisyn points out and know who do we have to worry about and who don't?
[Mccormick:] Well, there are other tests that can be used and again this gets a little bit in the science. But one of the things we know is that the first thing that goes with severe disease, particularly severe disease is a group of white calls called the lymphocytes go right out the bottom. That happens pretty early.
[Camerota:] So aren't they testing them, Dr. Van Tulleken?
[Tulleken:] As far as we can see, Nina Pham was under passive surveillance meaning
[Cuomo:] Why?
[Tulleken:] The why is exactly right, we've started to believe our own dogma about Ebola and how difficult it is to catch. We've heard a mantra from the CDC saying this is a difficult disease to catch. In many ways it is. It's a nuanced message to communicate that, but I would have treated this, I think these people now have to be treated as if they are lucky to have it.
[Mccormick:] One of the things that's very instructive. I go back to the fact this is not that easily transmitted. Look at the family members. Look at the contacts. They were under circumstances that nobody else was. That's typically what we see in the epidemics. The transmission rate is about 10 percent.
[Camerota:] Great point. They don't appear to have any symptoms yet. They haven't spiked a fever yet. So what's happening in the hospital? Is it just that there are more bodily fluids being exchanged?
[Mccormick:] We don't know what happened in the family, but clearly there's more contact with body fluids, but my point is, that the protocols themselves. They clearly didn't get those right and that's what's happening in the hospital.
[Cuomo:] We have Sanjay Gupta on the phone right now I believe. Doc, can you hear us?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] I got you, Chris. Good morning.
[Cuomo:] And thank you for being with us, Doc, ahead of schedule here, but let me ask you something. Because you did this great demonstration that I'm sure the doctors here saw and all of us did, of how difficult it can be to take off the equipment. And this idea of we need a right protocol in place to make this safe, is that making a little too simple in terms of how difficult this actually is to do with 100 percent certainty?
[Gupta:] Well, with 100 percent certainty obviously adds a very high bar, but I think it could be a lot better than it is now. And that you know, there have been examples you know throughout the history, I mean, people have been taking care of patients with Ebola since 1976. Where you know, you have really low, if any transmission from patients to health care workers. I give the example of "Doctors Without Borders," up until this year, we know there have been transmissions this year. But up until this year, there really had not been transmissions between patients to health care providers. It can be done in part it involves proper protocols. I do want to point out that when I did that demonstration to show that, the way I did that was to follow the CDC protocols exactly as they were outlined and handed out to hospitals all over the country. I wanted to show that exact protocol.
[Camerota:] That's a great point.
[Gupta:] We do know in Emory and Nebraska for example and Alisyn, I think you were speaking to the nurse from Nebraska yesterday they use a protocol that's above and beyond that. And those are the places that are designated centers, you know, that are known to be able to do this. They have a different protocol than the CDC. I think that tells us something.
[Cuomo:] Yes. Dr. McCormick, when you watched Sanjay's demonstration there. What's the problem?
[Mccormick:] The first problem for me is you've got contaminated hands. What we did in Sierra Leone and surely many other people, and I suspect I know "Doctors Without Borders" does. You wash your hands the very first thing, before you take anything off.
[Camerota:] You take off your gloves and then
[Mccormick:] No, no, no, you wash your gloves, you put them in bleach. That kills the virus on contact. Then you take off your gown, and all the other paraphernalia because then you've got cleaner gloves. You've got gloves that are clean.
[Camerota:] Why isn't the CDC recommending that?
[Mccormick:] Then you wash them again. That, I couldn't tell you. That's what we've done for a long time.
[Gupta:] To that point, Dr. McCormick, we did that exact thing what you're describing. There would be buckets essentially of this bleach- like substance, you would come out. You would just soak your hands in there and then you would start disrobing. You have somebody helping you to disrobe, a sort of buddy. If there was contamination on the front of the gown, they were literally, they had these spray bottles and they would spray the gown before we started taking it off.
[Cuomo:] It's not that sophisticated. We were doing similar things, Sanjay, with Katrina because we didn't know what was in the water. It's not that you have to create new science to figure out how to stay safe. We have the second case. This is scary, OK, but again for perspective, Dr. McCormick. People are tuning in this morning, another case. This is it now, pandemic. This is the panic. It's going to happen. Everyone's going to get it. Does this mean anything like that to you?
[Mccormick:] Nothing at all. We're not going to get it. I said this last night. We're not going to have an epidemic or a pandemic in the United States.
[Camerota:] How can you be so sure?
[Mccormick:] Because we know how to control this. If we have to send everybody to Nebraska or Atlanta, then that's what we'll do. And we know how to screen for it and we know how to control this. And we don't have anything like the level that we're seeing for example in West Africa.
[Camerota:] Dr. Van Tulleken, we are told that Nebraska only has ten beds. We can't necessarily send everybody much as we might want to. Should this new patient who has been diagnosed this morning be going to Nebraska for treatment?
[Tulleken:] I think they certainly need a really detailed evaluation of who's looking after him in this place. It doesn't need to be in a different building. But the quality of the team needs to be very different. And when we talk about why these protocols don't work, why are they different from the World Health Organization protocols? The CDC logic is the WHO protocol is too hard to follow. There are too many steps. We don't want people making mistakes.
[Camerota:] You mean the bleaching of the hands with your gloves on.
[Tulleken:] What that speaks to me is a sort of laziness about whether or not we prepare how well prepared to train the people. It's not hard for "Doctors Without Borders" train people all the time. So it seems and I think Professor McCormick is exactly right. We shouldn't be worried about an Ebola epidemic here. But we should definitely be worried about the effect on American life. And so as people stop going to hospitals, as nurses stop going to hospitals, that changes things for everything. So we're not going to get Ebola, but we are going to get serious effects in this country.
[Camerota:] So you're worried that doctors and nurses will start refusing to treat people because they're worried.
[Tulleken:] We've seen it in other epidemics. We see big, big concerns for this and we've heard the nurses union over the last couple of days saying we don't feel protected. That should be terrifying for all of us.
[Cuomo:] What we are talking about right now that the nurses are complaining. You have to give them special attention because they really are the first line responders on this. Let's play some more of the sound of what their concerns are. Here it is.
[Burger:] Lab specimens from Mr. Duncan were sent through the hospital tube system without being specifically sealed and hand-delivered. The result is that the entire tube system, which all the lab specimens are sent, was potentially contaminated. There was no advanced preparedness on what to do with the patient. There was no protocol. There was no system. The nurses were asked to call the Infectious Disease Department. The infectious Disease Department did not have clear policies to provide either.
[Cuomo:] All right, so that was the co-president of the National Nurses United Union, speaking on behalf of the Dallas nurses. Sanjay, hindsight is always 2020 and you have this anonymous health official, which is bootstrapping what the nurses union just said. Which is if we know now what we knew then, we should have sent Duncan to Nebraska or Emory, somewhere that knows what they're doing. Can you make that type of judgment at this point that we'll only have certain places that know how to do this right or does everywhere have to know how to get it right?
[Gupta:] Well, you know, with regard to these claims, you know, if this is true, this is pretty concerning. And it's not so much even a hindsight issue, Chris, because you remember for months, they've been talking about preparation. They've been talking about the fact at the CDC level that we anticipate a patient will come to the United States with Ebola. So and they've been, they said that they've been going for laying out protocols for hospitals, primary care doctors, emergency rooms to follow. You hate to believe that that's the case, that you have to only have a few designated centers. I understand the momentum for that. The problem from a pragmatic standpoint is a patient shows up wherever in the United States. They're not going to show up necessarily in one of these cities, in Atlanta or Nebraska. And what is what happens at that point? Patient goes to the hospital. They go check in at the emergency room desk. They come in contact with people. They come in contact with health care providers. They may or may not get put into isolation. They're going to have blood drawn. Then they're going to be transported. The idea is to transport them to one of these places, they go by ambulance, by plane, arrive at another hospital. Think about how many more people now start to get potentially affected by this patient who is sick, apparently, that's why they're going to the hospital and could potentially be infectious. It just seems that yes, I understand the momentum for these designated centers, but the idea that we've waved the white flag and say you know what, we can't do what the "Doctors Without Borders" were able to do in these tent hospitals in the middle of remote Africa. We can't do that at big hospitals in the United States is baffling to me. It's disappointing to me, but maybe that's where we ought to be. I still think the idea of a "Doctors Without Borders" team or somebody like them going to these hospitals may be the better way to do it.But maybe that's just, we're just not there yet.
[Camerota:] Is that the answer, Dr. Van Tulleken? Let me repeat some of the other things the nurses unions have said. So, no advanced preparedness, you heard her say that. Their necks were exposed. They now think that skin contacts might have had some sort of vulnerability.
[Van Tulleken:] Yes, Sanjay's point that a single medical charity is has shouldered the burden of dealing with this entire epidemic, basically and that should be absolutely terrifying. They're doing a better job, we're not talking about some tiny little rural hospital in America. We're talking about a big significant hospital in a major American city. And what we're seeing here is a massive failure on a much larger scale, which is if we had reacted to this in Africa where we needed to several months ago, then we wouldn't be dealing with what we're dealing with now.
[Mccormick:] I would like to add something more. We've had the vaccines that are currently now that everybody is running around for 10 years.
[Cuomo:] Ten years.
[Mccormick:] They've been out there for 10 years.
[Camerota:] Vaccines against Ebola have been out there for 10 years.
[Mccormick:] Experimental vaccines that worked in nonhuman primates. But they never went any further than that, because our system says, if you can't pay, you don't play. That means if you're poor, we're not going do spend the money as a pharmaceutical company or whatever, to develop vaccines. So, now, we're going to pay probably billions of dollars to try to deal with this. Absolute catastrophe in West Africa, when probably $25 million or $50 million would have developed them through at least phase 1 and phase 2.
[Cuomo:] Does that go through treatments as well with your understanding?
[Mccormick:] Absolutely, absolutely.
[Camerota:] How close are we to a vaccine?
[Mccormick:] Well, we have one vaccine, both vaccines one developed at NIH, one developed at the military, protect nonhuman primates.
[Camerota:] But how close are we to making it
[Mccormick:] But now, what they have to put them through phase 1 and phase 2. They're doing that now. I think you heard Dr. Fauci talk about that.
[Cuomo:] What do you need more, a vaccine or a treatment?
[Mccormick:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] You need them both?
[Mccormick:] Well, you do, because what you would do is use the old smallpox protocol and vaccinate all the contacts right away. That would get them on the road to an immune response that would certainly blunt their infection, if not stop it. So that's the one thing you would do. And then obviously you need the treatment so that you don't have the death rate that we have.
[Camerota:] Gentlemen, thank you. Thanks so much for being here. We will be talking to you throughout the show. There is other news, though. So, let's get to Michaela and the rest of the headlines.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] And rest assured, we will follow up with our top story as soon as I get you through the headlines right now. But I want to let you know what else is going on. The Supreme Court paving the way for dozens of abortion clinics in Texas to reopen immediately. The justices ordered the state not to enforce a law requiring clinics to have hospitals level standards. Opponents of the law say the guidelines were restrictive to women's health. More appeals are suspected, and the case could end up before the justices. Breaking overnight: military leaders from North and South Korea healed held their highest level talks in seven years. This meeting comes amid renewed tensions and shooting incidents off the waters off the western coast of the Koreas. The spokesman for the South Korean defense ministry suggested the meeting was a goodwill gesture on both sides. No future meetings are set up at this point. At least 17 American soldiers were exposed to nerve or mustard gas after the invasion of Iraq. Now, that is according to "The New York Times", which also says the U.S. government withheld that information from troops and military doctors. The report suggests the government secrecy prevented soldiers from receiving proper medical care and official recognition of their illnesses. To sports, the Kansas City Royals now just one win from the World Series, beating the orioles to take a 3-0 lead in the American League championship series. Royals still haven't lost in the postseason, 7-0 now. They can secure their ticket to the series with a win today in game four. Meanwhile, the NLCS, the Giants beat the Cards to go up two games to one in their series, game four tonight in that beautiful city by the bay, San Francisco.
[Cuomo:] That is nice for
[Periera:] You know who I'm cheering for.
[Cuomo:] That's OK. But it's shaping up to be a good series, great teams this year.
[Pereira:] Yes, really good.
[Camerota:] All right. Thanks, Michaela. So, we're continuing to follow the breaking news that we have for you this morning. A second health care worker is infected with Ebola in Dallas. In the hospital staff, he was on the hospital staff and we're wondering, are they spreading Ebola by somehow handling the gear wrong? Or going through protocol incorrectly? We're going to talk to someone who is helping to implement new training, that's ahead.

[Anderson:] You're watching Connect the world live from London. I'm Becky Anderson. Welcome back. Now Manchester City's star Yaya Toure has called on UEFA to take action on racism. The Ivory Coast international says he suffered racist abuse from Russian fans at a game in Moscow on Wednesday night. He says he heard racist chants and monkey noises from the home fans. The Moscow club, CSKA challenges his claims. I'm joined by Alex Thomas who has been following this story. He's with me now in the studio. What are the details on this at this point? I know there's some claims and counterclaims going on here, aren't there?
[Alex Thomas, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Yeah, and the first thing coming from the player himself, Yaya Toure, who really has turned into one of the biggest names in the sport. Used to play for Barcelona. Went to Manchester City. Helped them win England's world famous Premier League. African footballer. And he said he can hear monkey noises coming from the CSKA Moscow fans, or certainly a section of them. And Manchester City have lodged a former complaint with UEFA. And since then, Europe's governing body for football has launched a disciplinary proceedings against CSKA Moscow. But as you quite rightly said, Becky, they have staunchly said that they didn't hear the racist chanting that Yaya claimed to hear. And he's calling for some very severe punishments. He's just capturing that mood of anger amongst certain black footballers in the game right now who are saying enough of words, let's hear action. And this is what Yaya Toure had to say after the game.
[Yaya Toure, Manchester United Midfielder:] I hope that we change it. I hope that we get big sunshine, you know, because you have to ban them some stadium or ban some club for a couple of years. I don't know. You have to do something about it. I always will continue with that.
[Thomas:] Talking about a ban for a couple of years, Becky. As I said, all the reports in this morning's British press, particularly we're talking about how angry he was, although he seemed pretty calm in that interview with Manchester City there in-house television station. And CSKA Moscow since then have responded as the day has gone on saying one of the two UEFA officials that give a report into their superiors at European governing body headquarters didn't hear any racist chanting. And part of a club statement read this let's take a look at this now...
[Anderson:] We don't have that, I think.
[Thomas:] No? OK. He was they were basically making the point that they don't understand why Yaya Toure made these claims, because they couldn't here anything. And if you look at their record although other Russian clubs have a poor record of this sort of thing, their record is very good. There have never been any formal complaints of racism.
[Anderson:] It's a story, of course, that we are unfortunately all too familiar with. I don't have to remind you, but perhaps let's remind our viewers, that racism in footblal has hit the headlines a lot lately. Back in 2011, English Premier League players Luis Suarez and John Terry both accused of racist abuse towards other players. Both got match bans and heavy fines, of course. And although Terry was later cleared of any criminal charges. European championships in Ukraine, Poland 2012 disrupted by several incidents of crowd trouble and racism. Russian and Spain fined after abuse from their supporters. Fast forward to January this year and A.C. Milan's Kevin Prince Boateng walked off the pitch taking his whole team with him after hearing racist chants from the crowd. You rightly point out that this is not the first time that we have heard accusations about Russian fans using racist chanting. So, what are UEFA and FIFA going to do about this, because at this point, it's sort of all in flux isn't it? Yeah. And of all those incidents, the real line in the sand was Kevin Prince Boateng walking off during a friendly game for Milan, but booting the ball into the stands and saying enough is enough. And that what was really sparked probably FIFA's biggest step. And when he world governing body gets criticized a lot, one thing we can applaud them for is their setting up of the anti-racism task force, which is headed up by Jeffrey Webb who is the president for the CONCACAF region in the Caribbean, North American soccer. And they've laid out some very stringent measures that they want to hold the world governing body to. But, still it's taken awhile to really put those measures in place. The reason being, they want all the confederations below
[Fifa:] the UEFA's the CONCACAFs, the South American regions, Asia, Africa all to be singing from the same hymn sheet so that sanctions are the same across the board. In the meantime, racism still happens. A black fooballer is saying, hey we know you're trying to take this seriously, but it's still words, it still looks good on paper. The referee last night, for example, could have stopped the game and he didn't.
[Anderson:] How do UEFA, or perhaps we should talk about how we would sort of respond to this, you get someone like Luis Suarez who says, look, in South America where I come from the common [inaudible] would not be considered racist, but it is apparently racist when he says what he said here. How are FIFA going to work out a sort of one-size fits all racism policy? That's going to be tough.
[Thomas:] Yeah. And in some places difficult as we've seen in the case in Italy recently where very traditional regional banter, if you like, for example taking the [inaudible] the Neapolitans, as the Inter Milan fans did recently suddenly had Serie A club owners up in arms that the sanctions were too tough, that that's not racism, it's something else. And there are so many subtle levels of discrimination, but I think just I think FIFA can keep it simple by just saying this old fashioned racism, bananas on the pitch, monkey noises, those are clear to hear and you can say that it wrong and sanctions have to be imposed. And I guess the one concern is are fans doing in on purpose pretending masquerading as fans of a club or a country to get them banned. But I think that's the kind of medicine they're going to have to take just in order to stamp this out, because it's been sort of bubbling up for ages and it's enough Is enough.
[Anderson:] 2013.
[Thomas:] Exactly.
[Anderson:] Enough already. Thank you. Alex Thomas with us tonight. The latest world news headlines, as you would expect here at the bottom of the hour on CNN. Plus, authorities could be closer to solving the mysterious case of Maria. This woman says she may be the mother of the little blonde girl discovered in a Greek Roma camp. More on her story is ahead. And wiretapping, computer hacking, what's next? Well, we'll show you how to become a secret agent in this age of digital espionage. And ever wondered what goes on behind palace walls? Well, feed your imagination with some very unofficial and fictional family photos of the new Prince George. All in good fun, of course.

[Berman:] The latest now on the Ebola crisis spreading across West Africa. ASKY, a major airline in that region, has stopped flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone. This amid growing concerns about spreading the virus. U.N. figures now put the death toll at 672. Among them, Dr. Sheik Umar Khan. He's been leading the charge fighting this outbreak, until he contracted a virus himself. He's the second doctor to succumb to Ebola in just the last few days. The U.S. may have dodged a bullet here. We learned that an American citizen who died of Ebola was on his way back to the United States. Patrick Sawyer had flown from Liberia to Nigeria where he was to attend a conference, but he got sick to his scheduled flight to the U.S.
[Paul Garwood, World Health Organization:] He apparently arrived in Lagos, I understand, by plane. He left he departed on the plane initially with no symptoms. He reported being symptomatic on arrival. So, I understand he was vomiting, and he then turned himself basically over he made it known that he wasn't feeling well.
[Berman:] There is no known cure for Ebola, which is transmitted through body fluids.
[Romans:] Terrifying. All right. Water rescue in California, 10 million gallons of water shooting up from the ground, flooding the streets for hours, cameras catching it all. We've got that for you when we come back.
[Berman:] Nuts.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Some breaking political news: CNN has confirmed that tomorrow, President Obama will nominate Jeh Johnson to replace Janet Napolitano as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Johnson previously served as general counsel for the Department of Defense during President Obama's first term. As to whether there will be a battle over his confirmation, well, if you thought the bipartisan slap fight in Washington might finally be over, then you obviously didn't hear the president say this today.
[Obama:] Last night, I signed legislation to reopen our government and pay America's bills, because Democrats and responsible Republicans came together
[Tapper:] Hmm. Democrats and responsible Republicans. One hundred forty-four Republicans voted no last night and with fewer than three months to go before the next budget battle, the White House doesn't seem quite ready to make complete nice. Let's bring in our panel. Tim Pawlenty, president and CEO of the Financial Services Roundtable and, of course, former governor of Minnesota. CNN's chief congressional correspondent, the tireless Dana Bash. And former Clinton White House press secretary, Joe Lockhart. I want to start with this "Washington Post" report. Business groups stand by Boehner, plot against Tea Party. There's a quote from a man named Dirk Van Dongen, long-time chief lobbyist for the National Association of Wholesale-Distributors, who has known Boehner since the lawmaker's first election. He says, "I don't know anybody who takes the side of the Taliban minority." I assume he's referring to the Tea Party. Tim, is that how the business world views what happened over the last three weeks, the Taliban minority seized control of the House Republicans?
[Tim Pawlenty, President & Ceo, Financial Services Roundtable:] Well, a few things. First, I don't think people should put a Taliban label on any elected representative or public servant. I think that's over the line, just in terms of rhetoric and what that implies. Two, the business community, of course, is more pragmatic than, say, the Tea Party in terms of their politics and desired outcomes. But the idea that they are going to come in and take out Tea Party members is probably misunderstood. The Tea Party members for the most part are in districts or states that lean pretty substantially in their direction and the idea that they're mostly politically vulnerable is probably not going to materialize. There will be some groups that will try that but I suggest to you, Jake, it won't be successful. And then, lastly, as to the Tea Party, keep in mind, you know, it's one slice of a broader coalition. They overplayed their hand here. One of the adages you have to keep in mind is when you negotiate, the person with the leverage wins.
[Tapper:] Right.
[Pawlenty:] They didn't have the leverage here.
[Tapper:] Or any
[Pawlenty:] But, you know, there's an analog in the Democratic Party to the Tea Party, when you look at groups like Occupy, when you look at groups that want to just recklessly defund the Department of Defense. They don't represent the whole Democratic Party and the Tea Party represents only one slice of the Republican Party.
[Tapper:] Is that a fair analogy?
[Joe Lockhart, Former Clinton White House Press Secretary:] It is, but it misses an important point, which is within the Republican Party, the Tea Party does have the leverage. We just spent 16 days painfully, Dana hasn't slept in 16 days, because of the leverage they had. The business community doesn't have that much influence with the Tea Party. The Tea Party and most Republicans are more worried about someone coming from their right, coming from the Tea Party to challenge them, than anyone on the left. So, this all has to be resolved. I think it's very fair analysis, but the difference between the Tea Party and Occupy or a group on the left, those groups don't have leverage within the Democratic Party right now. The Tea Party does. And that's the fundamental problem for the party.
[Tapper:] And, Dana, let's talk about the future of Democrat, Republican negotiations because that's obviously where this is going to go now. There's going to be negotiations over a budget. When President Obama came out last night before the House vote had finished, there were a lot of House Republicans who were very worried that he just was misreading House Republicans all over again.

[Dr. Thomas Frieden, Cdc Director:] You know, I've thought often about it. I wish we had put a team like this on the ground the day the patient, the first patient, was diagnosed. That might have prevented this infection.
[Berman:] That was the head of the CDC saying in hindsight he would have done things differently with the first Ebola patient in Dallas. Nurses wish officials had a team and, moreover, a plan in place before this situation.
[Pereira:] Yeah. They're making some pretty astounding claims about how woefully unprepared Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital was to deal with Ebola. They say the patient who eventually died, Thomas Eric Duncan, he wasn't immediately put into isolation. They also say that nurses' protective gear left their necks exposed, that hazardous waste piled up and that nurses received no hands-on training to deal with Ebola and generally they felt as though they weren't being supported.
[Berman:] Jean Ross is co-president of National Nurses United. And, Jean, thanks so much for being with us. Given this list of complaints that we saw this morning, can we expect more cases in the coming days?
[Jean Ross, National Nurses United:] Well, you always hope you won't but let's face it, there's a breach there because of the lack of protocol. Not a breach in the protocol but a lack of it as the nurses say. So it's what those nurses in Dallas are telling us is what we found from our survey. You know, overwhelmingly they're all saying the same thing. To the public, to the CDC, whatever, they say we are all prepared, don't worry. And the nurses are saying no, we are not. We ask for the plan. They either don't have one, they direct us to a website and say, "Here are the CDC guidelines." We ask for direct hands-on training and drilling, practicing, and either we don't have the staff, we don't have the equipment, et cetera.
[Pereira:] And the fact is, you can't control when a patient comes to your hospital with a fever or an illness or potential Ebola case. We know that that's not something you can anticipate. You were part of the conference call held yesterday held by the National Nurses Association. There's another conference being made today. I'm curious. What kind of specific changes are you and the nurses wanting? I think that all of us would agree, given the fact that a second nurse now has become sick, the urgency really increases.
[Ross:] It does. We have felt the urgency for some time, but true to form, very often what we warn about employers do not take, we believe, seriously enough. And that goes for many other issues, not just Ebola. Unfortunately because we don't have a nationalized system of health, we have a for-profit, fragmented, piecemeal system here, and people really are urged to do to follow CDC guidelines. But you can't mandate it. There's no enforcement, and you cannot do a coordinated effort unless the hospitals choose to do this. Now this you know, people are picking at this Dallas hospital, but truthfully, this could happen at any hospital in America, and from the response at our survey, they are all saying we're in the same shape.
[Berman:] It's interesting you say that, because these are not the first Ebola patients treated in the United States. They were treated at Emory Hospital in Atlanta and there were no infections among the health-care workers there. They've been treated in Nebraska at a hospital there. No infections among the health-care workers there. So where does the responsibility lie then in the case of Texas Health Presbyterian?
[Ross:] Well, it's very clear to us. We're very clear, as a nurse, what our responsibility is, it's to care for the patient, to advocate for the patient, and to let the employer know when we are not prepared. It's the employer's responsibility to make sure we are prepared and have the appropriate gear to do so. They just have not been listening, or listening too slowly. So we want a single uniform standard, an optimal standard, a gold standard, for what equipment we should be using and how to use it. We see that with the people at Emory. We see that with the folks in Nebraska. We see it with the people that are over in Africa trying to help and we believe that that uniform standard should apply to any of us as we approach these patients that may come in.
[Pereira:] Jean, this may seem completely out of left field, but I'm thinking about the fact of what we've seen over the last few years, with the economy the way it is, budgets being constrained. I'm really curious if you think any of that played into how well, obviously it plays into how day-to-day operations are being done. But, I can imagine if there is that kind of those kind of constraints, they're only made worse by an emergency like this.
[Ross:] You know, I can't speak for what happened in Dallas, in particular, as to the whys and wherefores of why they chose not to set up the protocols and do it well from the get-go. But I can tell you from my over 40 years of experience as a nurse, the for-profit bottom line mentality that we have, well in everything, but in health care it's disastrous. And so it wouldn't matter if it were Ebola. Unfortunately, now that is what it is. It's a life-threatening virus. But we, as nurses, deal with this all the time. We tell employers this is what we need. This is what needs to happen and unless you have a union contract and have ways of doing more than encouraging the employer to do what's necessary, you can't make them. Nobody can make them.
[Berman:] Jean Ross, co-President of National Nurses United., thank you so much for being with us. And again, we thank you and everyone in your profession for the work that you do and are doing right now.
[Pereira:] The tough work, the important work, and the hands-on work. That's the thing. The front lines of this battle, it's the front lines. You have to pause and reflect on that a little.
[Berman:] Look, which makes the questions that we're asking right now all the more important.
[Pereira:] We get accused of sort of trying to point the finger and play the blame game, but we're trying to figure out what went wrong so we don't repeat it again. We don't want Dallas happening in other cities across America.
[Berman:] And among the allegations for what went wrong no proper training, no proper protective gear. These, again, the alleged mistakes that were made in treating the first diagnosed case of Ebola in the United States. We will play more of what nurses claim happened in that hospital ahead.

[Dana Bash, Cnn Anchor:] The 11:00 hour of NEWSROOM starts right now. A suicide bomber who carried out an attack in war-torn Syria has now been identified as an American. Officials say he's a U.S. citizen who grew up in Florida. He went to school there and according to "New York Times" played in a youth basketball league, too. But somewhere along the way something changed. And he went to Syria to join extremists linked to al Qaeda. Mohammed Jamjoom is following the story in Washington. Mohammed what have we learned about this American?
[Mohammed Jamjoom, Cnn Correspondent:] Well Dana the State Department believes that his name Moner Mohammad Abusalha. They say that he grew up in Florida, that he went to school there although they're not sure yet when exactly he went to Syria. They have not divulged details about when he went or why he went. Although it seems that he went to join up with the ranks of these jihadists in Syria. There is video that is posted online purporting to show the attack that he was involved in. Now, you see this huge blast in one of these videos. There's always a still picture of this man where you see him holding a cat. The video that you're looking right now is actually showing the planning stages of this attack when artillery shells were being loaded into one of the trucks that was used for the attack. This was a huge attack. And in the initial stages when we were trying to confirm the story American officials were saying they would not be able to confirm the identity of this man unless they were able to do DNA tests. But judging just by the shockwaves that was generated by that blast it was very unlikely they were going to be able to get their hands on any remains to do any kind of testing. This is a very disturbing development, not just because there are Americans that are fighting currently in Syria and we're told by analysts that there are at least 100 Americans currently there. It's also disturbing for U.S. officials because they worry about what will happen when these fighters that are over there, the ones that survive the fighting actually come back to the homeland. There's great concern that American fighters that are in Syria that are learning terrorism techniques from the ranks of al Qaeda members might be able to plot out attacks against the U.S. Dana.
[Bash:] Well that certainly Mohammed that certainly leads to my next question which is the concern about that. If you have Americans in America who are presumably U.S. citizens and that are trained as terrorists, you know, the concern that it would be a lot easier for them to conduct those attacks here on the homeland.
[Jamjoom:] Yes that's right. And U.S. officials have stated since yesterday that one of the things they're really looking into now is networks of recruiters that are tied to al Qaeda that are trying to convince Americans that might be attracted to this cause to come over to Syria and other hot spots, fight alongside them and then return to the homeland and use the techniques that they've learned against the U.S. or other countries. This is a very real fear. It's actually a nightmare scenario and it's one of the reasons that this story is so disturbing to U.S. officials. Another reason it's so disturbing is because you have the actual, physical war going on in Syria, which is so bloody and so deadly, but you also have the propaganda war. And in an instance like this where there is now video of an American who was in Syria who became the first suicide bomber, that is going to be used repeatedly by jihadists there al Qaeda link jihadist as propaganda to try to recruit more Americans to their cause. They see this as a big win for them. Dana?
[Bash:] Very disturbing. Thank you very much, Mohammed Jamjoom. And back here at home a new twist in the drama surrounding the sale of NBA the NBA's LA Clippers. The team's co-owner Donald Sterling dropped a major bombshell. He's suing the NBA for a whopping $1 billion billion with a "b". Sterling's lawsuit claims the NBA had no right to force the sale of the Clippers at all and that terminating his ownership is unconstitutional and in breach of contract. This comes just as new questions are out there about his mental state and his wife, Shelly she's agreeing to sell the team for $2 billion to former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. Our Alexandra Field joins us now with a closer look at this price tag. Alexandra wow. First let's start with the $2 billion money money mark. Is it really worth it?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes blockbuster number. Apparently it was worth it to Steve Ballmer because he put up that money and he outbid the next closest competitor by about $400 million. But Dana you'll remember that a lot of people were estimating the team would sell for between $700 million and a $1 billion. So this certainly took a lot of people by surprise and it certainly will have the other NBA team owners taking notice.
[Field:] A $2 billion bid for a basketball team smashes records, but what's Steve Ballmer the former Microsoft mogul getting for all that money?
[Rick Horrow, Horrow Sports Ventures:] A team is better on the court today than the Los Angeles Lakers with a great lease at the Staples Center and a new upside television deal that he is about to negotiate in Los Angeles.
[Field:] Future TV deals both local and national could bring in close to an extra $100 million a year by some estimates, which is a lot, but not the big picture.
[Mike Ozaman, Forbes Magazine:] In the first few years, profits are going to be very minimal. This isn't something he's buying because he wants to make money. This is someone who is going to take 10 percent of their net worth and they're going to buy a sports team in L.A., which is going to give them a lot of prestige.
[Field:] For $2 billion, there is plenty of prestige, a way for the wealthy to diversify investments, and with a salary cap in place NBA owners can be protected from dipping into their own pockets.
[Ozaman:] Steve Ballmer knows that if he runs this team somewhat prudently, he is not going to have to put any capital into the team.
[Field:] If you have $20 billion.
[Ozaman:] It's not a bad thing.
[Field:] In January Forbes' list of NBA team value ranked the Clippers 13th with an estimated worth of $575 million. Their potential sale price was estimated at around $1 billion once Donald Sterling's racist rant was revealed.
[Horrow:] The NBA should trip over itself and get the documents done, approve this transaction and move on to other business just as fast as humanly possible.
[Field:] The $2 billion price tag could help send the values of some of the league's most valuable franchises soaring.
[Ozaman:] I don't think you'll be able to buy a big market NBA team for less than $3 billion.
[Field:] More big numbers. Now because of this agreement to sell the team for $2 billion, the NBA has said that it will cancel the meeting it had scheduled for June 3rd during which the other NBA owners would force Donald Sterling to sell the team. But the owners do still have to approve this sale and while there are a lot of reasons why you can imagine they would want to approve the sale and do it quickly, the extra reason is this $2 billion price tag. Dana a lot of these owners are certainly thinking about the values of their own teams and how they could be elevated.
[Bash:] Not everybody has Microsoft money. Alexandra Field, thank you so much. And coming up, V.A. fallout. This is the first full day on the job for the interim secretary of veteran affairs. What should his first step be? And how can veterans make sure Eric Shinseki's resignation doesn't end the pressure for reform. I'll ask a congressman and former V.A. doctor straight ahead.

[Banfield:] Again to the live mic in the East Room at the White House. The president is about to be live at the mike. He is being introduced right now. The vice president in attendance as well. What's important about this is it is an issue that has been on the minds of many in the struggling economy while the stock market does well, the 401K has had a great year. Unemployment still stinks, particularly long-term employment. Many people say bad unemployment numbers don't take into account those that just dropped out and stopped look. So today what the president is doing, is he is meeting with some of the top companies to get them to push to interview and hire the long-term unemployed. It turns out, it is real hard to get those interviews. He is not only with the vice president, but all the leaders are in the room, too.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody.
[Obama:] Everybody please have a seat. First of all, let me just thank Eric for being here, for sharing his story, for his service to our country. I hope that listening to Eric here, everybody recognizes what a great success story this is. Also, the notion that somebody with this kind of skill and talent was having difficulty finding a job indicates the challenge we face. I want to thank all of you, business leaders, philanthropists, elected officials, all levels of my cabinet, not only for coming but for committing to more success stories for people like Eric. Making sure everybody in this country who wants to work has a chance to get ahead and not just get a paycheck but also the dignity and the structure that a job provides people. On Tuesday, I delivered my State of the Union address. I said that while the economy is getting stronger, businesses like yours have created more than eight million new jobs and our unemployment rate has been lower than it has been in five years, we all know we still have more to do to build an economy where everybody who is willing to work hard and take responsibility can get ahead. We've got to do more to restore opportunity for every American. The opportunity agenda I laid out begins with doing everything we can to create new jobs here in America, jobs in construction, in manufacturing, jobs in American innovation, American energy. They are steps we can take to streamline our tax code and incentivize companies to invest here. There are things to do to make sure we are continuing to lead the world in innovation and basic research. We have a whole lot of infrastructure we can do. We have deferred maintenance in America. The ramifications of us taking that on would be significant. We have to grow faster and put more shoulders behind the wheel of expand can in the economic world. Step two is making sure that every man has the skills to fill those jobs. Step three, we have to guarantee every child access to a world class education from early childhood to college to a career. Step four, we have to make sure that hard work pays off with wages you can live on, savings you can retire on, health insurance that's there for you when you need it. Today, we are here to focus on that second point. Connecting more ready to work Americans with ready to be filled jobs so that folks that are out of work can apply the skills they already have.
[Banfield:] It turns out, there are numerous studies the president continues to talk about, the larger companies that have committed to a process whereby they will try to get the long-term unemployed into the workforce. There are studies that showed that people who are unemployed for six months or more are significantly less likely to get that job interview response on the basis of just fact that they have been out of work a long time. I want to bring in Wolf Blitzer, standing by live. He is watching what the president has been up to for the last couple of days. I want to speak specifically to what is happening today and how the president wants to go about this. He is meeting with leaders in Motorola, eBay, McDonald's, Walgreens, Apple, Bank of America. But he is talking about executive action. If Congress isn't going to work with me, I will do it by myself.
[Wolf Blitzer, Host, The Situation Room:] He's trying to find a way to work with these companies. He is trying to encourage them to hire long-term unemployed, six months, more than a year, people that lost their jobs through no fault of their own. The company may have gone bankrupt. The companies may be downsizing. These are highly qualified people that can't find a job. He is looking for ways to be more assertive, more aggressive in working with these companies encouraging them to go out there and look for these long-term unemployed folks who are qualified. They are not getting the interviews or opportunities a lot of folks think they deserve. They are plotting new strategy and research and incentives. If they are too qualified for a job, one person who may already have the job. The other person has been a long-term unemployed person and go ahead and give that long-term unemployed person a shot and bring an additional work person into the workforce as opposed to giving somebody else who already has a job that opportunity. These are complicated issues. There may be some ways to lower that long-term unemployed number.
[Banfield: 1:] 00, Wolf Blitzer is back. 5:00 as well in "The Situation Room." It is must-see TV on Friday. Thanks, Wolf. Have a good weekend.
[Blitzer:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] Dennis Rodman is in rehab. We knew that. We didn't know he was going to keep quiet. He is back in front of the camera and he is back with our Chris Cuomo. Do you remember what happened the last time these two got together? Wait until you see what happens this time.

[Kyra Phillips, Cnn Anchor:] The shocking crime.
[Fred Goldman, Father Of Ron Goldman:] Ron and Nicole were butchered.
[Phillips:] The riveting car chase.
[Unidentified Male:] 911, what are you reporting?
[A.c. Cowlings, O.j. Simpson's Former Teammate:] Agent A.C. I have O.J. in the car.
[Phillips:] Now O.J. Simpson on trial for murder.
[Unidentifed Female:] Stop domestic violence.
[Unidentified Male:] This was the perfect soap opera.
[Phillips:] The characters like Kato Kaelin. So it seems like you feel you're pretty much misunderstood for a really long time.
[Kato Kaelin, American Radio And Television Personality:] 100 percent misunderstood.
[Phillips:] The moments and mistakes.
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Analyst:] It was like a slow motion disaster movie for the prosecution.
[Phillips:] Two decades later...
[Johnnie Cochran, Lawyer:] It makes no sense. It doesn't fit. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
[Phillips:] The O.J. Trial, Drama Of The Century. It's minutes after midnight, June 13th, 1994. Los Angeles police arrived to a crime scene at Bundy Drive in upscale Brentwood. They find no witnesses and no murder weapon, just two victims.
[Tom Lange, Former Detective, Lost Angeles Police Department:] Slashed, stabbed, everything else. Nicole was nearly decapitated. It was a very bloody scene.
[Phillips:] Nicole is Nicole Brown Simpson. Lying dead beside her 25 year old Ron Goldman. The prime suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend O.J. Simpson. Simpson promises to surrender and then disappears.
[Unidentified Male:] The Los Angeles Police Department right now is actively searching for Mr. Simpson.
[Phillips:] Simpson is soon spotted inside a white
[Suv. Unidentified Female:] Highway Patrol?
[Unidentified Male:] Yeah, I think I just saw O.J. Simpson on the five freeway and he's heading north.
[Phillips:] The famous low speed chase covered live for hours, rivets the nation and ends with Simpson eventual surrender at his home on Rockingham Avenue. It was just the beginning.
[Unidentified Male:] More room.
[Unidentifed Male:] Go, go, go. Here's what we know right now Lieutenant Duncan...
[Jim Moret, Former Cnn Anchor:] This was the perfect soap opera. The O.J. Simpson murder case was the first true reality show for the country.
[Unidentified Male:] OK, let's go. Here we go.
[Moret:] This was the first wall to wall televised trial.
[Phillips:] July 22nd, 1994 a month after the murders, the legal proceedings against O.J. Simpson begin when he enters this defiant plea.
[O.j. Simpson, Fmr. Football Player:] Absolutely, 100 percent not guilty.
[Phillips:] And to help him prove that Simpson assembles a legal dream team.
[Toobin:] Each one of them was famous.
[Phillips:] Jeffrey Toobin covered the trial for the New Yorker.
[Toobin:] There has never been in American history more prominent defense lawyers on a single trial than in O.J. Simpson case.
[Phillips:] There is Harvard law Professor Alan Dershowitz.
[Toobin:] An ideal intermediary between the Ivory Tower and the gritty world of trial practice.
[Phillips:] Famed criminal attorney F. Lee Bailey.
[Toobin:] The person you go to when you are really in a lot of trouble and can afford it.
[Phillips:] And of course Johnnie Cochran who would take the lead.
[Toobin:] Flamboyant, out going, approachable, fun, and extremely charismatic, while also having considerable mastery of the details of the case.
[Phillips:] And known for defending celebrities like child actor Todd Bridges, Football Legend, Jim Brown and Superstar, Michael Jackson. But would the all-star strategy work?
[Alan Dershowitz, Attorney For O.j. Simpson:] The O.J. dream team was not a dream team, it was a nightmare team. Most of the lawyers didn't get along with each other. There was a lot of competition for the limelight.
[Phillips:] But despite all that competition, Simpson's team comes up with this. They allege that LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence.
[Unidentified Male:] This is not just any city where an allegation of a racist cop is being made. This is the
[Lapd. Phillips:] The racist allegations simmering under the surface come to a boil just days before the trial begins when the defense wants permission to ask Fuhrman if he's ever used the N-word.
[Cochran:] And I'll use the word because it's I'm quoting him, "All the niggers put them together in a big group and burn them."
[Phillips:] But prosecutor Chris Darden wants no part of it.
[Christopher Darden, Lawyer:] It is the filthiest, dirtiest, nastiest word in the English language. It will upset the black jurors. It'll issue a test. It will give them a test. And the test would be, "Whose side are you on, the side of the white prosecutors and the white policeman? Or are you on the side of the black defendant and his very prominent and capable black lawyer?" So I...
[Phillips:] Cochran immediately fires back.
[Cochran:] Not every African-American feels that way. It's demeaning to our jurors to say that African-Americans cannot hear these offensive words.
[Unidentified Male:] You don't go back in time.
[Phillips:] The battles lines are drawn and race will help define the trials outcome. Its January 24th, 1995, the trial of Orenthal James Simpson has began.
[Toobin:] There was a forest of satellite trucks, satellite dishes, people working in trailers all built so that this trial could go out to the world.
[Moret:] Walking into the courtroom everyday was like the red carpet on an arrivals line or at the Oscars. How are you feeling today O.J.? You know, its Marcia, how are you doing? You know, how are your kids? What are you wearing? It's ridiculous. It was crazy.
[Phillips:] Outside the court house it's a circus, inside, a real life drama unfolding with millions of people watching.
[Toobin:] The Simpson case combined everything that obsesses the American public. It had violence, sex, race, sports and the only eyewitness was a dog.
[Phillips:] The prosecution's opening statement tells a story of love, lust and lost of control.
[Darden:] He killed her because he couldn't have her.
[Phillips:] That trail of blood from Bundy to his own Ford Bronco and into his house in Rockingham was devastating proof of his guilt. Johnnie Cochran's opening statement tells jurors a very different story.
[Cochran:] The evidence will show that this is careless, strip shot, negligent collection in handling and processing of samples, by basically poorly trained personnel from the LAPD, has contaminated, compromised and corrupted the DNA evidence in this case.
[Phillips:] Coming up, behind the scenes.
[David Aldana, Former O.j. Simpson Juror:] It's the first I've ever really seen a Heisman Trophy.
[Phillips:] And in court with a juror.... So did you ever believe Kato Kaelin's testimony at all? This is how we knew O.J. Simpson, football star, celebrity pitchman...
[Simpson:] Nobody does it better than her.
[Phillips:] ... and movie star. But prosecutors say that dashing public persona hides a much darker truth that Simpson is a violent man who beat his wife.
[Unidentified Female:] You can see that...
[Phillips:] And it didn't take long before a police detective testifies about an incident in 1989.
[Unidentified Male:] A woman came running out of the bushes to my left, across the drive way. She was female Caucasian blonde hair. She is wearing a bra only as upper garment and she had on dark lightweight sweatpants and started yelling. He's going to kill me. He's going to kill me.
[Phillips:] Then jurors hear it for themselves another chilling 911 call from Simpson's wife in 1993...
[Nicole Simpson, O.j. Simpson's Ex-wife:] My husband just broken into my house and he's ranting and raving.
[Phillips:] ... less than a year before her murder.
[N. Simpson:] He broke the door down to get in.
[Unidentified Female:] OK. Wait a minute, what's your name?
[N. Simpson:] Nicole Simpson.
[Unidentified Female:] OK. Is he the sportscaster or whatever? N. Simpson: Yeah. What is he doing? Is he threatening you?
[N. Simpson:] He's going nuts.
[Aldana:] And I was like, "Wow, he can be pretty bad."
[Phillips:] Now, 20 years later, juror number four, David Aldana remembers that moment vividly. So that 911 tape made an impact to you?
[Aldana:] Yeah, it did because when you hear somebody plumbing on the door like that and hearing it closely. I think you know he's record by now.
[Phillips:] Nicole's sister Denise tells prosecutors, she has seen Simpson beat Nichole in person.
[Denise Brown, Nicole Simpson's Sister:] He's grabbed Nicole, told her to get out of his house. Wanted us all out of his house, he picked her up and threw her against the wall. He picked her up and threw her out of the house.
[Phillips:] However, Defense Attorney Robert Shapiro counters with a completely different image of O.J. Simpson. Here he is with the Brown family just hours before Nicole's murder.
[Robert Shapiro, Simpson's Defense Attorney:] We played for the jury a June 12th video tape, where you saw O.J. Simpson at 6:00 to 6:30 in the evening of June 12th. And you saw him. He was kissing the Brown family. He was shaking hands with Lou Brown. He picked his son up. He didn't look like a man who's dower and bitter and raging.
[Phillips:] So is Simpson a warm family man or a violent attacker who cornered and killed two innocent people? The jurors and Simpson take a field trip to his house and the crime scene.
[Unidentified Female:] It was very, very good for the jury I think to be able to see the relationship of each of those locations to each other as well as to get a much clearer idea of how very, very small the space was in which Ron Goldman was attacked and murdered by the defendant. And so, I think that this really assisted the jury in being able to understand the evidence better, the testimony better and how the victims were essentially cornered.
[Phillips:] What do you remember the most about visiting O.J.'s house actually going to the crime scene?
[Aldana:] It seems that, "Wow, that's the first time I've ever really seen Heisman Trophy." We couldn't ask questions. Nothing was told to us. You don't talk amongst yourselves and don't touch anything.
[Phillips:] And it's this home visit that leads to the very heart of the prosecution's case, the physical evidence against O.J. Simpson.
[Unidentified Female:] Can you please describe the appearance of the glove sir?
[Unidentified Male:] It appeared dark leather glove. It appeared to be somewhat moist or sticky. I didn't touch it, but it appeared that parts were sticking to other parts of the glove.
[Phillips:] Defense lawyers are eager to point out detective Mark Fuhrman's role in discovering the evidence.
[Cochran:] And now Mark Fuhrman came up to you and told you he made some discovery, is that correct?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Cochran:] And so, they were clear it was Mark Fuhrman who allegedly found this glove up there near Kato Kaelin's room? Is that correct? Outside?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Cochran:] And it was Mark Fuhrman who allegedly found the spot on the outside of the Bronco, is that correct?
[Unidentified Male:] That's correct.
[Phillips:] Mark Fuhrman would play a starring role in this unfolding drama as with this man.
[Kaelin:] I heard a thumping noise.
[Unidentified Female:] How many thumps did you hear?
[Kaelin:] Three.
[Phillips:] Simpson's shaggy house guest, Kato Kaelin. Did you ever expect what was going to happen when you got up there and took the stand?
[Kaelin:] No. Not all. It was my first time in a courtroom in my entire life. And I think I was 35 at that time.
[Phillips:] Kaelin's four days on the stand thrust him into the national spotlight.
[Kaelin:] I even come up with a things there never has a man done so little to be recognized by so many.
[Jay Leno, Comedian:] Today he testified, he said that O.J.'s maid never really liked him. Sure, she had to work for her room and board.
[Phillips:] Why was Kato Kaelin so memorable?
[Aldana:] He is idiot.
[Phillips:] Really.
[Aldana:] No. He's so foolish. I'm sorry.
[Phillips:] That's pretty harsh.
[Aldana:] A matter of the fact when we were doing our deliberations, he was like the no-brainer. The guy is an idiot. Nothing he says we can go with her or against it. He's null and void.
[Kaelin:] I was called so many things. I was called a celebrity. I was called a pariah. I was called a traitor. I was called a dummy. I was called a free loader.
[Phillips:] So it seems like you feel like you were misunderstood for a really long time...
[Kaelin:] 100 percent misunderstood. This was something I took so serious, I was making sure that I answered everything correctly. So I was in deep thought going, "OK, get this right Kato." And that was it. If you pause, people go, "He's making some he's lying. He's doing this. "The furthest thing from the truth, it's for me to become even more honest, for me to make sure I answer this thing 100 percent honest.
[Phillips:] ... which brings us to the night of the murder. Kaelin and Simpson make a McDonald's run.
[Unidentified Female:] About what time was it when you got home?
[Kaelin:] It's about 9:40.
[Phillips:] Kaelin goes to his bedroom and prosecutor say Simpson disappears. A crucial hour passes before Kaelin hears a loud noise outside.
[Unidentified Female:] And where is that noise seemed to be becoming from?
[Kaelin:] From the back of the wall.
[Phillips:] That prosecutor say, is Simpson hitting an exterior wall and dropping a bloody glove. At 10:55 a limo driver waiting to take Simpson to the airport spot a black person, six feet tall, 200 pounds.
[Allan Park, Limousine Driver:] I saw a figure coming to the ancient's way of the house.
[Phillips:] Allan Park says he have been buzzing the intercom sense 10:40 and received no response, proving prosecutor say Simpson had not been home.
[Park:] This time there was an answer which was Mr. Simpson. He told me that he overslept and he just got out of the shower and he'll be down in a minute.
[Phillips:] Both Park and Kaelin notice a dark duffle bag near the rear of Simpson's Bentley.
[Park:] He came out and Kato offered to go get the bag and he said, "No, no, that's OK, I'll get it. I'll get it."
[Phillips:] So what was in the bag and what did Simpson do with it? Detective Tom Lange has a theory.
[Lange:] So you want to know what happened to the knife and then clothes. And we know the heck from a witness out at the airport, I believe. So I'm getting out of the limousine when he left that American Air last night after the murders and had his arm buried in the trash container.
[Phillips:] Next, with so much evidence, what went wrong?
[Unidentified Male:] That's people 77. Chris Darden blew it.
[Phillips:] The team prosecuting O.J. Simpson for murder has no weapon and no witnesses. But what they do have is a wealth of forensic evidence. Evidence that seems to proved O.J. Simpson butcher Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.
[Unidentified Male:] She appeared to me to be an overkill or rage killing.
[Phillips:] There was blood everywhere at the Bundy crime scene. At Simpson's Rockingham State and scattered along the route in between, blood. Prosecutor say, is Simpson's.
[Unidentified Male:] Does that mean that these characteristics that Mr. Simpson has that are also found in the Bundy walk blood stain are only found in approximately one out of 170 million Caucasians or African- Americans?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, approximately.
[Phillips:] And that's not all, blood consistent with both victims was found in Simpson's bronco on that glove discovered behind his house and on these socks in his bedroom.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you describe that material or that blood staining is matching Nicole Brown, is that right?
[Unidentified Female:] That's correct.
[Phillips:] Then, there were the bloody shoe prints in the bronco and on Nicole's dress. FBI expert, William Bodziak says, those prints came from Bruno Magli designer shoes. And Simpson's size, 12.
[Unidentified Male:] Can you include as a candidate who could have worn the shoes that created the impressions in this case?
[William Bodziak, Director Of Examination:] Yes, I could include them as a candidate for possibly having one of those shoes.
[Phillips:] As the trial wears on, attention turns from socks and shoes to gloves. One found at the murder scene, the other, behind Simpson's house. Together, prosecutors believe they have proof that Simpson's caught red handed.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm handing Mr. Simpson the dark gloves marking him. That's people 77.
[Phillips:] What were you thinking when you heard Prosecutor Christopher Darden request that Simpson try on those gloves?
[Lange:] I was sitting in the courtroom. I couldn't find a seat so I was kind of in the back. And when he did that, F. Lee Bailey came up to me and he grab me, whispered into my ears, he came laughing. Why the hell did you let him do that? I didn't know he was going to do anything. No, Chris is a good man. He's a good prosecutor. He's a bright man. He should have known it better.
[Toobin:] I remember watching the gloves in the courtroom and thinking to myself, "He's not going to ask O.J. to put on the glove." That's too much of a risk. You never ask a question in a courtroom much less do a demonstration where you don't know what the outcomes is. And it was like a slow motion disaster movie for the prosecution as O.J. milk the moment for all it was worth and pretended to try on those gloves.
[Phillips:] After the trial, Christopher Darden would admit to Larry King, it was a mistake.
[Larry King, Larry King Live:] When it happened in court, did you know you were in trouble?
[Darden:] I knew that it hadn't going as well as I'd hope it would. It's should have going on.
[King:] Did you regarded as like earth's shuttering to the case?
[Darden:] No. Not necessarily. Not particularly. It wasn't until I went upstairs and left the courtroom that I realized that people thought that it was a monumental failure, a monumental mistake.
[Phillips:] Was it Chris Darden that blew this case?
[Alan Dershowitz, Attorney For O.j. Simpson:] Chris Darden blew this case. Marcia Clark contributed pretty heavily to blowing the case too, but Chris Darden blew it. When O.J. was able to walk in front of the jury and say, it's too small, he didn't have to testify because he had already testified in front of the jury and it wasn't cross examined. So for us, it was a win-win.
[Unidentified Male:] All Right. He appears to have fold the gloves on counselor.
[Phillips:] But to juror, David Aldana, it didn't seem like a big deal. So O.J. Simpson was right in front of you when he put on that glove?
[Aldana:] He was about maybe two feet away from me.
[Phillips:] What do you remember from that moment?
[Aldana:] You know, a lot of people make a big deal about it, but you know, I was a truck driver. I wear gloves all the time. I know that when gloves get wet, they shrink up.
[Phillips:] After 92 exhausting days of testimony, 58 witnesses and 488 exhibits.
[Unidentified Female:] We have support and received all of the people's exhibits and the people rest.
[Phillips:] Next.
[Cochran:] The LAPD's laboratory is a cyst full of contamination.
[Phillips:] The defense unleashes of blistering attack.
[Barry Scheck, Defense Lawyer:] How about that Mr. Fung?
[Cochran:] We take the evidence would show that he did not, could not and would not commit this particular crimes.
[Phillips:] Johnnie Cochran came roaring out of the gate on the attack and on the offensive...
[Cochran:] LAPD's laboratory is a cyst full of contamination.
[Phillips:] ... sighting police incompetence...
[Cochran:] Some had gloves, some didn't have gloves, picking up the evidence.
[Phillips:] ... even suggesting a conspiracy to frame O.J Simpson.
[Cochran:] The fact that blood mysteriously appears on the vital pieces of evidence. It was devastating evidence of something far more sinister.
[Phillips:] But the fireworks really begin here. Defense lawyer Barry Scheck unleashes a relentless barrage of questions on expert like LAPD criminologist, Dennis Fung.
[Scheck:] How about that Mr. Fung?
[Phillips:] Confronting him about now wearing gloves while handling evidence...
[Scheck:] Did you touch that envelope with your bare hands?
[Phillips:] ... and inconsistencies in his testimony.
[Scheck:] So, you did begin evidence collection before the [inaudible] left?
[Dennis Fung, Lapd Criminologist:] Yes.
[Scheck:] So what you said before wasn't true?
[Fung:] It was the best of my recollection at the time.
[Phillips:] And then, the photos from the rear gate of Nicole Brown Simpson's home. This one was taken by Fung 20 days after the murders. As you can see, there is a blood stain. However, a photo taken just hours after the murders showed no blood stain.
[Scheck:] Where is it, Mr. Fung?
[Aldana:] Look what they did to Fung. He needed a vacation after that for they just ringed him.
[Fung:] I can't see it in the photograph.
[Phillips:] What do you remember the most about Fung just getting torn apart by Scheck?
[Aldana:] Oh, man.
[Scheck:] Does that refreshing recollection? Is that a concern of yours? Sure with that?
[Aldana:] Barry Scheck is one heck of an attorney. He just ripped him apart.
[Phillips:] Scheck is trying to convince the jury, not only were investigators incompetent, but they tried to frame O.J. for the murders. And juror David Aldana agrees. Do you truly believe that evidence was planted?
[Aldana:] Yes. I from this day, till the day I'll die. I think it was planted.
[Phillips:] If this was a conspiracy, how do you get blood on socks, blood on the Bronco?
[Lange:] No. Look...
[Phillips:] He's on blood.
[Lange:] It's laughable. OK, let's look at planting a blood, OK? How do we get that blood from Simpson who is in Chicago, the plant blood that's already at the scene? It made no sense. Obviously, it made no sense. We may get Simpson's blood until he returned from Chicago. Then none of that made any sense but nobody cares. What a great show.
[Phillips:] And the show continues. More testimonies from defense experts.
[Unidentified Male:] Have you ever seen a single assailant wear two pairs of shoes? No. That represents human DNA that shouldn't be there and that's what our definition of contamination is.
[Phillips:] On the stand now, O.J.'s personal physician, Robert Huizenga. He testifies that Simpson was in no way physically capable of murdering Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.
[Robert Huizenga, Physician:] Although he looked like Tarzan, you know, when he was walked more like Tarzan's grandfather.
[Phillips:] The defense in on a roll until prosecutor Brian Calvert plays this 70-minute workout video on cross examination.
[Simpson:] Work up a little flat here too.
[Unidentified Male:] You bet.
[Phillips:] It was filmed just two weeks before the murder. Simpson not only looks fit but even cracks a joke about wife beating.
[O.j Simpson:] Yeah, and I'm telling you, you got to get your space in there if you're working out with the wife, if you know what I mean?
[Phillips:] But, perhaps the most dramatic and powerful moment for the defense still to come.
[Unidentified Male:] Once he said, never in 10 years have I ever use the N-word, I knew we had him.
[Cochran:] It was Mark Fuhrman who allegedly found this spot on the outside of the Bronco. Is that correct?
[Unidentified Male:] That's correct.
[Phillips:] At every opportunity...
[Shapiro:] Did Mark Fuhrman have a flashlight when he was over at the Bronco?
[Phillips:] O.J. Simpson's team attacks lead Detective Mark Fuhrman.
[Cochran:] Did you have occasion to have a conversation with Mark Fuhrman?
[Phillips:] F. Lee Bailey says, "Fuhrman is incredible and may even be criminal."
[F. Lee Bailey, Attorney For O.j. Simpson:] Did you go back to the crime scene?
[Mark Furhman, Detective:] No.
[Bailey:] Did you do any more observation?
[Phillips:] Bailey wants to know if he planted evidence at the scene.
[Bailey:] Did you wipe a glove in the Bronco, Detective Fuhrman?
[Fuhrman:] No.
[Bailey:] You did not.
[Fuhrman:] No.
[Phillips:] But some of the jurors like David Aldana believed Fuhrman was up to no good. Did you ever for a moment believe that the police wanted to frame O.J. Simpson?
[Aldana:] Frame him, I think that was in Fuhrman's mind.
[Phillips:] But why would Fuhrman want to frame O.J. Simpson? Simple, says the defense team. Fuhrman is a racist. Why did it become so much about race?
[Dershowitz:] It's amazing because O.J. Simpson was as white a Black person as you can imagine. He lived a white life. He lived in a white neighborhood.
[Phillips:] Married to a white woman.
[Dershowitz:] Married to a white woman, working for a major car company. He was not part of the African-American community to speak of. But I think that many African-Americans could identify with the police tampering with evidence and planting evidence.
[Bailey:] Were you familiar with the language attributed to you by Ms. Bell
[Phillips:] And to hammer a home that Fuhrman is a racist, Bailey repeatedly asks if he used a certain racial slur.
[Bailey:] Then you say it on your ought that you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about Black people as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman?
[Fuhrman:] That's what I'm saying sir.
[Bailey:] So that anyone who comes to this court and quote you as using that word in dealing with African-Americans would be a liar, would they not, Detective Fuhrman?
[Fuhrman:] Yes, they would.
[Bailey:] All of them, correct?
[Fuhrman:] All of them.
[Bailey:] I was focused on Mark Fuhrman, his every twitch, he's every eye movement and so forth. I had no notes. I only wanted one thing from him, denial.
[Fuhrman:] No.
[Bailey:] No.
[Fuhrman:] No.
[Bailey:] Once he said never in 10 years have I ever used the N-word. I knew we had him.
[Lange:] When he was asked that question by F. Lee Bailey about using the N-word, everybody in the world knew that is being set up at him.
[Bailey:] What I didn't know was we also had them on tape.
[Phillips:] Four months after Bailey versus Fuhrman, the defense gets an unlikely tip. Screen writer Laura Hart McKinny had interviewed Mark Fuhrman for a fictional script she was writing and she still has the audio recordings. Despite of court order to keep the taped sealed some of the startling contents are leaked.
[Unidentified Female:] He was just a real racist damn. Now, what we're going to look at is Fuhrman and what a scumbag he is.
[Unidentified Male:] Otherwise...
[Phillips:] And to Ron Goldman's father, Fred, that tapes are at devastating destruction.
[Fred Goldman:] This is not now a Fuhrman trial. This is a trial about the man that murdered my son.
[Unidentified Male:] Judge Lance Ito has ruled that the jury will be able to hear portions of tape interviews, with now retired LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman.
[Phillips:] Fuhrman says the N-word dozens of times on the tapes but Judge Ito decides the jury will only hear two. The excerpts are brief yet powerful and disturbing.
[Unidentified Male:] They don't do it...
[Phillips:] After the excerpt ended the Fuhrman tapes, you broke down and cried at that moment, why?
[Kim Goldman, Ron Goldman's Sister:] Because I was worried at the ramifications, because I watched them. It just looked horror, I'm like disgust, you know, and watched them turn. I was like, "That's it."
[Fuhrman:] I do.
[Phillips:] That's it. Fuhrman had lied on the stand and had used an abhorrent racial slur. It throws a whole new light on defense assertions that he'd planted evidence. A charge he denies today, but would not address at that time.
[Bailey:] Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?
[Fuhrman:] I assert my first man privilege.
[Cochran:] He refused to answer that question. On the grounds it might tend to incriminate him. What more does anyone need?
[Phillips:] Fuhrman is disgraced and dismissed from the case. Coming up...
[Unidentified Male:] All right, Mr. Simpson, would you please stand and face the jury.
[Phillips:] The dramatic verdict. Late September 1995, for nine long months, the trial of the century has been a national obsession.
[Unidentified Female:] Stop domestic violence. Stop domestic violence.
[Phillips:] But a casualty of the constant hype is the freedom of 14 men and women. The jury has been sequestered since before the trial started.
[Aldana:] We were told it was going to be about three moths and then when the third month came and then there's four and then five and it kept going. It just went on and on and on.
[Phillips:] But, says David Aldana, "There were bright spots, like several secret field trips."
[Aldana:] I actually got to fly the good year bloom. We went to a dodger game and I caught a foul ball.
[Phillips:] There was even a barbecue.
[Aldana:] One day that all my friends came and visit me and they all brought cases of beer and we got blustered.
[Phillips:] Back in court, O.J. Simpson cites the juries fatigue as one reason he's not going to testify.
[O.j. Simpson:] I might pull of the mood and the stamina of this jury. Surely, I have confidence, a lot more it seems Ms. Clark has of their integrity and that they won't find and record stands now that I did not, could not, and would not have committed this crime.
[Phillips:] Four days later, the end is finally in site.
[Unidentified Male:] You have heard all the evidence.
[Phillips:] No more witnesses, no more delays, just closing statements. First up, lead prosecutor Marcia Clark.
[Marcia Clark, Lead Prosecutor:] Let me come back to Mark for a minute, just so it's clear. Did he lie when he testified here in this courtroom saying that he did not use racial [inaudible] in the last 10 years? Yes. Is he a racist? Yes. But the fact that Mark Fuhrman is a racist and lied about it on the witness stand does not mean that we haven't proven the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
[Scheck:] How in this country...
[Phillips:] Then comes, defense attorney Barry Scheck.
[Scheck:] There's no doubt Fuhrman is a liar and a genocidal racist, there's no doubt about that. But there's really no doubt either that they played with the sarcasm. And if that can happen, that's a reasonable doubt to this case, period end of sentence end of case.
[Phillips:] Finishing for the defense, Johnnie Cochran with probably the most memorable quote at the trial.
[Cochran:] If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
[Phillips:] But now, two decades later, we learned that wasn't Cochran's phrase after all.
[Dershowitz:] He didn't invent that that was done by the dean of the Santa Clara Law School, Jerry Uelmen, who was the most unknown person in our defense team.
[Phillips:] So 20 years later, his getting the proper credit?
[Dershowitz:] He's getting the credit. He deserves it.
[Phillips:] However, regardless of their source, the word, "It doesn't fit", Hammer Cochran message home. And after nine months of testimony, hundreds of exhibits, more than 260 days isolated in a hotel, juries are finally sent to determine O.J. Simpson's fate.
[Aldana:] We walked into that room. Well, let's see, what do you want to do first? Let's just see where everybody stands. We went around the room, you know, guilty not guilty.
[Phillips:] Its two votes guilty, 10, not guilty. After reviewing testimony, they prepared to vote again. Now, you guys have been sequestered for nine months. You were tired. You hadn't seen your families, your kids, your friends you want to get out of there. Were the majority of you working hard to get those two to come on board?
[Aldana:] Actually not. It wasn't arguing or yelling or anything like that we just came and took another vote and the other two came on board and they said not guilty. And it wasn't because they thought that he was innocent, it was because the prosecution just didn't prove it.
[Phillips:] And Aldana for one also believed the defense argument that the police framed O.J. How was it that with all this evidence against O.J. that he's set free?
[Aldana:] Some of that stuff was planted. And when some of it was planted, what was and what wasn't?
[Phillips:] How did Mark Fuhrman play a part in your decision when it came down to the verdict?
[Aldana:] Quite a bit because everything that he had anything to do with it pretty much got thrown out. I knew he was dirty after awhile you get a sense of people.
[Phillips:] Do you truly believe that the police, the detectives, the criminologists were as incompetent as the defense had made them out to be?
[Aldana:] Yeah. I think so.
[Unidentified Male:] Mr. Simpson would you please stand and face the jury.
[Phillips:] Deliberations take less than four hours.
[Unidentified Female:] We, the jury and the above entitled action find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187
[A. K. Goldman:] They've read it and we heard that and then I just fell apart.
[Phillips:] Fred and Kim Goldman were devastated.
[F. Goldman:] It was as if your insides got yanked out of you. Everything that we knew to be certain that he had killed Ron and Nicole suddenly as if all wait a minute, how is that possible?
[K. Goldman:] And then our side was in shock and then you hear the cheers and that you believe going on, on the other side of that...
[F. Goldman:] That division became what was seen across the T.V.s for several days. It was blacks cheering and whites crying.
[Phillips:] When you think of the verdict now, what are your thoughts?
[K. Goldman:] I feel betrayed. I feel really let down. I feel confused. Emotionally, I don't get why they chose to acquit him. Logically, I get it, it was because it was a racial thing it was, you know, you're the messenger. And I'm sad. I'm sad that we as a country couldn't rise above...
[F. Goldman:] Above it.
[K. Goldman:] ... and make it a decision.
[Fred Goldman:] And realize that two people were murdered, slaughtered and that you do the right thing at that moment.
[Phillips:] As for Simpson, he returns to his home in Brentwood vowing to spend his time looking for the real killer. But first, he has a phone call to make, to
[Cnn. King:] With us on the phone now is O.J. Simpson. How are you?
[Simpson:] I'm doing fine and one I want to thank you...
[Phillips:] Could you believe that he called in?
[King:] No. I could not believe it so he calls in we put him on actually. Johnnie Cochran, said and he thanks Johnnie for his help.
[Simpson:] Most of all I want to thank that man, Mr. Johnnie Cochran for believing from the beginning, listening and putting his heart and soul on the line to send me home.
[King:] He said, "I'll come out soon and I'll tell you that I'll give you t he whole story Larry."
[Phillips:] Do you believe O.J. Simpson is innocent, 20 years later.
[Aldana:] I found him innocent and I believe he's innocent.
[Phillips:] You still believe that 20 years later?
[Aldana:] Yup.
[Phillips:] With all your heart?
[Aldana:] All my heart. There's nothing if I was again in that same evidence again, I'll find him not guilty again.

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] It is mysterious, frustrating and even frightening. Little is known about it. We are now shedding light and going in-depth on a killer disease. It is called ALS. It stands for amiotropic lateral sclerosis. It kills more than 100,000 people a year, it moves fast taking away people's abilities to control their muscles causing patients to quickly lose their ability to speak, swallow, breathe or move. On Tuesday, I shared my mother's story. She was diagnosed with the disease a year and a half ago. The disease forces her to breathe with a machine. She has a great attitude, getting around in a motorized wheelchair and enjoying our family. Technology is improving ALS patients' quality of life in many ways. One of them is former NFL player, Steve Gleason. With the tap of the toe or a blink of an eye, Gleason and others are redefining what it means to be alive. Here's his story.
[Malveaux:] It was the play that brought back the city of New Orleans. Saints' Steve Gleason blocking the punt that would send his "who dat" nation to victory. The win was especially sweet because it was the Saints' first home game in the Superdome since Hurricane Katrina. In that moment, Steve Gleason, the handsome, 5'11", rock-solid 212-pound safety instantly became a New Orleans hero. But five years later, in January of 2011, at age 33, Gleason got the shocking news, he was diagnosed with ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease, a fatal condition that would soon paralyze him and rob him of his abilities to speak, eat or breathe.
[Dr. Jeff Rothstein, Als Specialist:] It's a disease where the cells in your brain and spinal cord, the cells that control our muscles slowly degenerate. They die.
[Malveaux:] When I met Steve and his wife, Michelle, at their New Orleans home in March, I was struck by just how young and how beautiful they are. Their playful relationship and his flirtatious smile.
[Michelle Gleason, Wife Of Steve Gleason:] He was just like this big he-man strong guy, and he's still strong in certain places but it's a huge contrast.
[Malveaux:] Two years into the disease, Steve is paralyzed, and uses his synthetic voice to speak for him.
[Steve Gleason, Nfl Player With Als:] It has not been easy.
[Malveaux:] Steve recently was thrust into the spotlight after three Atlanta radio deejays mocked him using a fake automated voice as his own.
[Unidentified Radio:] Knock knock. Who's there? Smother. Smother who? Smother me. Do me a favor.
[Malveaux:] The deejays were fired and apologized to Steve later. Steve issued a statement saying, "Received and accepted. We have all made mistakes in this life. How we learn from our mistakes is the measure of who we are." Steve says he's changed, too.
[Steve Gleason:] My capacity to love and to love myself, to be loved has been exponentially increased since my diagnosis.
[Malveaux:] When Steve first got the diagnosis, he and Michelle were faced with a critical decision, whether or not to have a child.
[Michelle Gleason:] In reality, I don't know what I was getting myself into or what he was getting himself into
[Malveaux:] When Rivers was born, Steve also knew he'd soon lose his ability to speak, so he started recording bedtime stories that he plays for Rivers today.
[Steve Gleason:] Papa Pea would fling little pea off a spoon.
[Malveaux:] They also made a decision to go public with the disease.
[Steve Gleason:] This is the first time I've been in front of any cameras since we went public in September, so obviously I don't know how to move or talk quite the way I used to.
[Malveaux:] Launching the No White Flags campaign. At the Super Bowl in 2012, he teamed up with one of his mentors, former Ravens linebacker, O.J. Brigantz, who also has ALS. Steve recruited star NFL players and coaches to generate this dramatic PSA.
[Unidentified Male:] You can't move your fingers. Your mind keeps working but your body doesn't respond. Soon you can't hug your mother or pick up your child.
[Malveaux:] While he doesn't believe the head injuries in his football career led to the disease, researchers are looking into the possible link. But Steve is looking at technology to improve the quality of life for those with ALS. He's raised millions of dollars to build a state-of- the-art facility in New Orleans for ALS patients.
[Michelle Gleason:] Control the A.C., turn on lights and working on their computers.
[Malveaux:] It's outfitted with eye-tracking technology like that in his home to give residents the ability to control everything around them. But even with all this, Michelle says they have their difficult days, most recently as they prepared for a dinner date.
[Michelle Gleason:] He's in the suit, just pissed-mad at the world, actually, drove into our office and drove him into the closet and got stuck and started crying, so I started crying, called my mom and said we're not going to come. So she started crying. Ten minutes later after we both sobbed, we said look we're going to do this.
[Malveaux:] And they are doing it. Steve marked his one-year anniversary with ALS with a skydive. He also sponsors adventure trips for other ALS patience, recently trekking up Machu Pichu and canoeing down the Missouri River. Steve says most people live as if they'll never die so that's why he's living life to the fullest.
[Buddy Valastro, The Cake Boss:] She's not doing that well.
[Malveaux:] Buddy joins us next live after the break.

[Kristie Lu Stout:] Now Syria says three westerners were killed fighting for the rebels. Microsoft unveils an update to Windows 8, but can it boost the company's ailing operating system? And more than 70 years after Amelia Earhart disappeared, some researchers say they may have found her final resting place. Syrian state media reports that three westerners have been killed by government forces in the province of Idlib. It claims that the westerners were found fighting with rebels and had weapons and a map of military bases. Now Syrian TV released footage of those items. It also shows a car riddled with bullet holes, three bodies, and what it says are the passports of two of the westerners. Well, a family member tells CNN that one of the three was Nicole Lynn Mansfield from the U.S. State of Michigan. Britain has now verified reports that a British national was also part of the group. Now Syria's President Bashar al-Assad says his government will attend a peace conference in Geneva next month, but the opposition Syrian National Coalition says they won't attend unless Assad gives up power. Now the president spoke about the talks in an interview with Hezbollah television network al-Manar TV.
[Bashar Al-assad, President Of Syria:] We will have an official delegation to attend this conference and legitimate representatives on behalf of the Syrian people. Who will they represent? When the conference is over for us, we will return to Syria and to our homes and to our people. When the conference is over for them, where will they return to? Their five star hotels?
[Lu Stout:] Now President al-Assad, he went on to talk about his country's military contracts with Russia. Now Moscow has been criticized for selling missiles and anti-aircraft systems to Syria. But this Friday, a senior Kremlin aid has defended Russia's right to deliver the weapons. Now Nick Paton Walsh is following developments in Syria from neighboring Lebanon. He joins us now live from CNN Beirut. And Nick, Bashar al-Assad, he is speaking out, but what exactly is he saying about the delivery of the Russian missiles?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, it was a curious 24 hours, because Lebanese media reports of that interview to al- Manar TV had implied that he had said categorically that missiles, the S300s had already been delivered. These are particularly high tech sophisticated Russian missiles which have got some concerned could seriously impede further Israeli air strike, or in the unlikely event that NATO intervened, cause NATO casualties, too. In the actual interview, though, he was a little more elliptical, not entirely categoric, just simply said this was a matter for their own military privacy to a degree and that they would Russia would fulfill the contracts previously agreed. That's since been backed up, though, today by Russian state media report that have gone on to suggest that in fact this delivery may not take place until the Autumn, some suggestions that perhaps it may not happen until next year, in fact. So a lot of uncertainty as to when these will precisely arrive. But we spoke to one defense expert who explained that even if they do get there, there's weeks perhaps not months until they're actually ready to be fired.
[Robert Hewson, Editor, Jane's Air-launched Weapons:] The text book way of doing this would say that it would take several months to be really operational and effective, but can you rush a capability in to have a quick and dirty defensive capability? Yes, you could do that in a week or two.
[Walsh:] Certainly, this is the aim of the Assad interview. He is trying to look confident, trying to look like he has what he needs to fend off any future offenses. And this was becoming an increasingly a regional war, but of course we just don't know the reality on the ground when these vital missiles will actually get there Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, and capability issues aside, as the analyst pointed out just then, if and when Syria gets hold of all these Russian missiles, what impact will it have on the conflict?
[Walsh:] It's unclear, because these missiles themselves have never really been tested in open warfare against a modern air force, that expert went on to explain, like the Israeli air force or even in the unlikely event of a NATO intervention, the U.S. or any other western particular power. So the question really is what effect will they have. That expert's suggestion was that they would probably significantly increase the chance of casualties on any air force trying to intervene in the air space in which they worked. And they also resemble, to a certain degree, the PATRIOT missiles placed along the Turkish-Syrian border by NATO. So a gamechanger in terms of the level of sophistication they bring there, although at the end of the day I think he [inaudible] the lines of most modern air forces will have somehow worked their way around them, although will probably sustain some sort of casualties if they come up against them Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] All right. Nick Paton Walsh reporting live for us from CNN Beirut. Thank you, Nick. And we've got some news coming into us now. There is unrest in the Turkish city of Istanbul. Ivan Watson is there. And Ivan, tell us more. There are protesters throwing rocks and bottles, tear gas being used. What have you seen, what have you experienced?
[Ivan Watson, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yeah, Kristie, we just got gassed here in our office. So I apologize, my eyes are streaming here. This is Istanbul's Taksim Square. It's the fourth straight day of protests here. This is like the Times Square of Turkey's largest city. As you can see riot cops advancing here, they've been firing tear gas at demonstrators, firing right now, every few minutes. Firing water cannons as well. Demonstrators throwing bottles and rocks at them as we speak. This began for days ago when anti-urbanization protesters let's take a listen to what's going on here. Demonstrators banging on the metal barriers here. What started four days ago as a protest against a plan to destroy, demolish a park and build a shopping mall here in Taksim Square has now erupted into a largescale clashes in the streets. They're hurling rocks back and forth. And police firing tear gas. Now we've reached out to the Istanbul municipality to find out casualty figures, how many people have been wounded. The police mounted a pre-dawn raid on what was a sit-in in the park, the disputed park. And these battles have been going on in the main streets of this city for the past six, eight hours. Again, its as if the police were tear gassing Times Square in Manhattan, Kristie, on a daily basis for nearly four days. And this seems to have tapped into some real rage, particularly within secular segments of Turkish society who are boiling with anger against the Islamist rooted government here in Turkey Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] This is incredible. These are largescale protests in the heart of Istanbul there in Turkey. Tear gas is being used against the protesters. You got tear gassed on the way to the office and feeling the effects of that. And the reason why these protests are taking place, it's an anti-urbanization protest, is that right?
[Watson:] That's how it started, Kristie. And I think there is anger within some segments of society, particularly here in Istanbul and more tear gas being fired right below our window anger at government backed projects, massive construction and developments projects building a new bridge across the Bosphorus Strait, a third airport in Istanbul, completely redeveloping this central square here in Instanbul where you have residents and local business owners complaining that they're never really consulted about this. In addition to the frustration with the development, urban development plans, there is also frustration at what seems to be of diminishing tolerance from the Turkish government over any demonstration of dissent. The use of tear gas by the Turkish police, particularly in recent months, has become a weekly, if not daily, incident where it being satirized in Turkish satirical cartoons with people joking that the Turkish cops are offering to fire tear gas if children don't eat their vegetables at dinner. We can see a water cannon being fired in the distance. All of this is tapping into real frustration at the Turkish government, which is elected, frustration that's perhaps surprising considering that Turkey has enjoyed a period, a decade of real robust economic growth where people's standard of living has improved dramatically.
[Lu Stout:] You know, we're seeing live on our screens the use of tear gas, the use of excuse me, the use of water cannons. You were describing the use of tear gas. And we heard the firing of the tear gas canisters earlier. Why is the government responding in such a dramatic way? Is it seeing these what started as an anti-urbanization protest, is it seeing it as a some sort of a political threat?
[Watson:] Well, this is not something new. A couple of weeks ago after residents of a border town that suffered one of the worst terrorist attacks in modern Turkish history, a Turkish border town on the border with Syria, more than 45 people killed, residents of that town, when they tried to hold a protest, Kristie, they were tear gassed by the Turkish police. We also saw here on May Day, which is, you know, a traditional holiday for the left and the labor movement in Turkey. We had massive use of tear gas in the heart of Istanbul, Turkey's commercial capital. This has been an increasingly common use of police force against any gathering that is not sanctioned by I'm sorry, the tear gas is starting to overwhelm me here but this has been increasingly common use of force by the Turkish government, which has let a lot of critics to argue, listen, this government does not is acting authoritarian and anti-democratic. It does not allow public assembly and any show of dissent Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Well, I know you're dealing with the effects of that tear gas. Thank you very much for joining us on the air and giving us the very latest with what's happening with these protests, these dramatic protests taking place in the heart of Istanbul. Ivan Watson joining us live from the Turkish capital. Thank you, Ivan. Now we want to tell you about an American woman accused of drug smuggling in Mexico. Her name Yanira Maldonado. And she has been freed from jail. She's on her way home. Now that journey was interrupted nine days ago when Mexican authorities said that they found nearly six kilograms of marijuana under her bus seat. Now the mother of seven insisted it was not hers. Now it seems a surveillance video supported her claim. And now that she's free, Maldonado is expressing thanks. Rafael Romo joins us now live from Nocales, Arizona. And Rafael, what more is Yanira saying about her ordeal?
[Rafael Romo, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, just try to imagine, Kristie, how difficult it must have been for Yanira Maldonado in the last two weeks. First, her aunt died in Mexico. And this is a woman that she loved very much. She attended her funeral. And on her way back from Mexico, she and her husband Gary Maldonado get detained and arrested, accused of smuggling drugs, specifically marijuana. Authorities say they found as many as 12 pounds of the drug under their seats and charged her, not him, with drug trafficking. After that, she gets sent to a federal prison and then transferred to a state prison in the state of Sonora just across the border from where I'm standing. Every single day she would maintain that she was innocent, that she might have been framed, that she has never had any trouble with the law and that she did not understand why she was caught in the middle of all this. Interestingly enough, Kristie, he case inspired a lot of sympathy in Mexico. And many people were just wondering and asking the government what had happened, because there was not clear evidence that the government had a case against her. And then the video that you mentioned, a video showing her boarding the bus with only two blankets, two bottles of water and her purse. The couple boards the bus. And the point that the defense attorney was trying to make is that it would have been impossible for them to carry onto the bus almost six kilos of marijuana. And so that was a crucial piece of evidence that was introduced in the trial yesterday. And last night, just before midnight here local time, we hear about a ruling from the judge saying that she can go free. Now she's a free woman and is back in the United States and about to be reunited with her children Krsitie.
[Lu Stout:] That's right, this American mom, this mother of seven, now on her way home. Rafael Romo joining us live from Arizona, thank you. Now you're watching News Stream, and still ahead, this South African community, it claims to have many benefits, but you can only live there on one condition. Plus, he escaped from house arrest last year, but activist Chen Guangcheng says his family in China still needs help. And what's old is new again, we'll check out Windows 8.1.

[Church:] Back to our breaking news in the United States now. Police in Charleston, South Carolina say nine people are dead after a white gunman opened fire at a predominantly black church. The shooter is still at large. Police say he is in his early 20s and was wearing a gray sweatshirt and blue jeans. The police chief says he believes this was a hate crime. The shooting happened Wednesday night at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. And this video shows people praying outside the church after the shooting. A vigil for the victims is also planned hours from now at another Charleston church.
[Barnett:] Now to other stories we are following, ISIS is claiming responsibility for four car bombings in Yemen's capital. In an online statement, the militants said they targeted pro-Houthi locations in Sana'a. There are conflicting reports on how many were killed, but the health ministry says at least five people died.
[Church:] Syria's civil war is posing a growing threat to people who live in neighboring countries. In the Golan Heights, the Druze are an ethnic and religious minority that have been caught in the middle as wayward rockets and mortars fly over the border. CNN correspondent, Oren Liebermann reports.
[Oren Liebermann, Cnn Correspondent:] Smoke rises from a Syrian town less than a mile from Israeli frontier. The militant, Al Nusra Front controls the town and the region they are taking fire from the Syrian regime. As we watch the fighting one shell hits near a Druze village of 2500. For the Druze the war in Syria has just come a little closer. The Druze is an ethnic and religious minority, [inaudible] secretive spread throughout the Middle East. Most are in Syria, some in Lebanon and Israel. On Tuesday smoke billowed, but the Druze refused to flee.
[Mondi Safadi, Israeli Druze:] We want to stay in their houses and their place.
[Liebermann:] Mondi Safadi, a Druze from the Israeli Golan says he has spoken to the Free Syrian Army as he tried to keep the fighting away from Hadir. Druze in the Golan, many of whom are loyal to the Syrian regime and have families in Syria have rallied for the Druze in Syria after a video claimed to show Druze sheikhs killed by Al Nusra in Syria, which CNN could not independently verify. A member [inaudible] Israeli Druze says the community in Israel has pledged millions of dollars in humanitarian aid to Syrian Druze as they face threats from Al Nusra and ISIS known here as Daesh.
[Mk Ayoob Kara, Israeli Druze:] They need supporting machines and system to fighting. They need medicine, other things, but they are not need people. The Druze going to prepare 100,000 soldier now to fighting Daesh. It's a big army. They are going to prepare it.
[Liebermann:] Israel has military vehicles near the frontier fence and a field hospital to help injured Syrians, but the military faces a dilemma, how to help the Syrian Druze without getting pulled into the conflict?
[Church:] Oren Liebermann reporting there and he joins us live now from the Golan heights. Talk to us, Oren, about the fighting today on this day right now.
[Liebermann:] Rosemary, we have heard sporadic firing of mortars and off to my left near the Syrian Golan, a small town there that's the center of the fighting today between the Syrian regime and rebel forces. What's so important about this area is the mountain behind me, the highest mountain here, it's a strategic outlook, it looks over Southern Syria. On a clear day you can see Damascus and the village at the base of the mountain came under fire a couple days ago. There is a working agreement to stay away from that village. But the Syrian civil war that has been raging for years, difficult to predict how it goes and the Druze watch this very carefully.
[Church:] They certainly do. Oren Liebermann, watching it very carefully too there from his vantage point in the Golan Heights. Many thanks to you.
[Barnett:] Now Pope Francis is bringing climate change to the forefront. Coming up next, a look at the controversial letter that has the world talking.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening. Thanks for joining us. We begin tonight with breaking news. Another incident involving George Zimmerman, a gun in conflicting versions of events. Police in Lake Mary Florida say George Zimmerman suffered minor injuries today after he was shot at. Police say seems to be a road rage type incident. But the other man who was involved actually called police last year because he felt threatened by Zimmerman. It had been almost two years since Zimmerman was acquitted of murder after fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. In that time he's had a number of run-ins with the law, everything from speeding to accumulations of domestic violence. Investigation into today's incident is still in its early stages, but police say that the two men involved had been in an ongoing dispute. Martin Savidge joins me with more of what we know right now Martin.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, right now, what is being figured is the fat well, the basic fact that at 12:45, George Zimmerman flags down a police officer in Lake Mary, Florida. He says, hey, I was just shot at, and there's a bullet hole in the side window of his car that seems to verify that. He was not struck, but apparently he was injured as a result from a broken glass that struck him in the face. He was taken into a nearby hospital, treated and released. About the same time a third party 911 call comes in, a man who says he had a guy come up to him and says, hey, I just shot George Zimmerman call the police. And this man also says the shooter claimed to him that George Zimmerman had waived a gun, there by Matthew Apperson and he is now been identified by authorities, said that he had to shoot at George Zimmerman. The interesting thing is that so far this evening, nobody has been charged with anything. Police are continuing to investigate, Anderson.
[Cooper:] And Zimmerman, as we said, has had a number of run-ins with the law since his acquittal in 2013?
[Savidge:] Yes. He's had quite a few run-ins, which surprises people, because many would have thought that he might have a very low profile, he does not. Three weeks after he was acquitted in the Trayvon Martin case, he was pulled over for speeding. But then let's just go over some of them and the list is rather significant. September 2013, he has an alleged altercation with his estranged wife and father-in-law. He's detained, but not arrested. No charges there. Then, November 2013, two months later, he's picked up, aggravated assault and other charges, his then girlfriend asked for no charges, so he was not prosecuted. Then we've got September 2014, an alleged road rage incident. He wasn't arrested, we know now that was Matthew Apperson. Here so, we are seeing the history of these men. And that finally January of this year, he's arrested on another domestic violence complaint, this time, the girlfriend recants, so there were no charges filed there.
[Cooper:] And Zimmerman's attorney spoke out about the incident. What did he have to say?
[Savidge:] Well, he said this is what George Zimmerman told him happened today, is that George Zimmerman's minding his own business. He is driving down the road, Lake Mary Boulevard. There's a car behind that is flashing the lights, honking the horn, and a man shooting at sanity, pulls up next to George Zimmerman. George says he rolls up his passenger window, and the next thing he knows, a bullet comes flying through, narrowly missing his head. There's no mention, of course, to George Zimmerman threatening with the gun, which is what the other man claims happened today as well.
[Cooper:] Did police say anything about George Zimmerman being was he armed at this time?
[Savidge:] They did not talk about that. It is well known that in a number of instances, George Zimmerman has a weapon. He's licensed to carry one. Did he have a weapon in his vehicle? Police weren't commenting at this particular juncture. It will be interesting, there are body cameras on the authorities, so you'll get the first impression of George Zimmerman after he was fired at coming through that video when it's released.
[Cooper:] All right, Martin Savidge, appreciate that. Martin referenced the man who made the 911 call. His name is Kenneth Cornell. He worked close to where this incident happened. Kenneth joins me with more on what he saw. So Kenneth, walk us through what happened because I understand you were getting out of your car when someone came up to you shouting for you to call 911.
[Kenneth Cornell, Witnessed Aftermath Of Zimmerman's Incident:] Yes, Sir. We are getting out of our car. A guy came driving up, screaming out his window, someone please call 911, guys, hey, come here. Come here. Please call 911. So I was kind of walking over him a little bit. What's happening, what's going on. He's like, I just shot someone. Please call 911. I'm like what? He is like, no, really. Call 911. So I said to him, like don't you have a phone because this is little suspicious? He said no, I just shot George Zimmerman, please call 911, really. I'm like what, you shot George Zimmerman? He said yes, sir, I shot George Zimmerman. Just please call 911. So that's when I decided to call 911, picked up the phone and gave them a call and talked with them. And they went through some of the questions and that's when they heard him in the background. Well, let me speak with him. And he got on the phone, he's like, my name is Matt Apperson, I've been in a couple disputes with this guy, he was driving down the street, he waved a gun at me, and that's when I shot him.
[Cooper:] So he was saying that this had been some kind of an ongoing dispute with George Zimmerman?
[Cornell:] Yes, sir. This is the third incident he had.
[Cooper:] Do you know how they happen to be how they came to be driving down the same street at the same time?
[Cornell:] No. Not at all. He didn't say anything about that.
[Cooper:] Obviously, he was armed. Did he say that Zimmerman was armed?
[Cornell:] He said he saw a gun. I don't know if he said he waived it at him or pointed at him. But he said he saw a gun and he shot him.
[Cooper:] He said he saw George Zimmerman's gun?
[Cornell:] Yes. Yes, sir.
[Cooper:] And did he shoot him from his vehicle while he was driving?
[Cornell:] Yes. As they were driving down the street, he shot at him.
[Cooper:] At this point has anyone from the lake Mary police department, have they talked to you?
[Cornell:] The detective was supposed to come before 5:00 today, but they did not get there and they will probably show up tomorrow. But they said someone will be talking with me.
[Cooper:] Well, Kenneth, I appreciate you talking with us. Thank you.
[Cornell:] Thank you very much for the time.
[Cooper:] Joining me now, are CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos and former federal prosecutor Sunny Hostin. Mark, what do you make of this? I mean, road rage is one thing, but to have had several road rage incidences with this same person, that's just seems bizarre to me.
[Mark Geragos, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Yes, it is rather bizarre, if it's true, that it is the third time. We apparently know about twice. But I think it is also, the other thing in your interview that was kind of is the fact that the police were supposed to show up and talk to the at least one of the witnesses who was fresh on the scene and they didn't bother, which tells you how much the police want to get involved with anything where George Zimmerman is the complaining witness.
[Cooper:] Sunny, I mean, what do you make of this. He has had obviously a number of run-ins?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, I think what's remarkable, is that we are now talking about five incidents, three domestic violence incidents, two road rage incidents that have been reported. And all of them involving allegations of George Zimmerman brandishing a gun. And that is an aggressive action. So someone and he seems to every time say that he's the victim, he's on the receiving end. I think it really calls into question certainly his credibility. His state of mind. What is going on with George Zimmerman? And I think what is also going to be quite ironic, Anderson is if this shooter is, let's say charged with aggravated assault or attempted murder, his defense will be that he was standing his ground against George Zimmerman because he feared for his life because George Zimmerman was brandishing a gun. It's ironic at the very, very best.
[Cooper:] Mark, I assume police would have searched the vehicle to see if George Zimmerman in fact did have a weapon on him?
[Geragos:] Well, my guess is, they either searched the vehicle or they didn't care all that much. At a certain point they've seen that every one of these post acquittal incidents ends up in nothing happening. So why are they going to pursue this and kind of drill a dry hole, doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm just not so sure that they really give a hoot about this case.
[Cooper:] It's interesting, though, Mark, I mean, a lot of people who have been in the news, who have been acquitted of crimes or of a trial, they choose to kind of lay low, Casey Anthony, certainly, for example.
[Geragos:] Casey Anthony.
[Cooper:] You have to wonder about George Zimmerman, either he's attracting issues or just by, you know, the very reality of who he is, people recognizing him, trouble seems to follow him.
[Geragos:] Well, he obviously was a polarizing figure. There's a lot of people who would like to take him out or provoke him, I suppose, so in his defense, he could always argue that. But it does seem, you know, that trouble does seem to follow him, whether he instigates it or he's the recipient of it.
[Hostin:] I think that's pretty charitable. That's pretty charitable. The discussion that
[Geragos:] I'm always been a charitable guy.
[Hostin:] Just the suggestion, Mark, that somehow trouble just follows George Zimmerman, I mean, let's face it, not one, not two, not three, but five already instances of George Zimmerman brandishing his gun at other people. Yet, he claims that he was not the aggressor with Trayvon Martin, that he's not an aggressive guy. And that he is a victim all the time. I think we need to call it what it is. If you believe what's being reported. Three of the incidents involve this guy. I don't know who has the fascination or fetish here, there's something going on between these two.
[Geragos:] Well, except that if you believe what is being reported. Three of these incidents involves this same guy. So I don't know who has got the fascination or the fetish here, but there is something going on between these two.
[Hostin:] It's more than three incidents, though. We are talking now six altogether.
[Cooper:] But he's just talking about with this one person. Sunny, we'll see. Mark Geragos, thank you. A quick reminder, set your DVR. You can watch 360 whenever you want. Just ahead, there is also breaking news tonight, to the other cleat drops for Tom Brady, suspended for four games over the so-called deflategate. And there are consequences for the Patriots, major consequences. Details including the response that just came in from Brady's agent next.

[Romans:] As if the "Do you want fries with that?" economy was bad enough, but now workers are left to ask, do you want food stamps with that? This week an advocacy group called Low Pay is Not OK posted a recording of a McDonald's employee calling the McResource help line. During the call the operator advises the worker to apply for food- stamps and Medicaid.
[Unidentified Female:] Do you have kids? Yes, two kids. You would most likely be eligible for SNAP benefits.
[Romans:] Also this week, Wal-Mart's CEO revealed the majority of the workers make less than $25,000 a year. Both companies say the headlines have been taken out of context. McDonald's says the video is not an accurate portrayal of the resource line, and Wal-Mart says many of the employees are part-time by choice, which helps explain low annual salaries. But the bottom line here is not about the he saidshe said of the details. It's the glaring fact these are people with jobs struggling to get by in this economy. The question, is it time again to start talking about a $15 minimum wage? Mid wage jobs were hit the hardest during the recession. What's coming back? Low-wage positions like those in fast food and retail. Now, these used to be thought of as a gateway job for young people, but for many today these are careers. The median age of a fast food worker is 29 years old. And more than half of those workers get government assistance. That cost taxpayers an estimated $7 billion a year. In an era of endless stalemates between the right and left, no one can be happy here. Conservatives decry the exploding government entitlement programs that fill the gap. Liberals express outrage that profitable billion dollar companies have employees forced to make decisions like this.
[Shenita Simon, Fast Food Worker:] Sometimes my husband eats and I don't and sometimes I eat and my husband don't. We have to alternate like that because we can't eat every day and still supply for our children three meals per day.
[Romans:] Look, a $15 minimum wage may not be the answer, but it's hard to deny this economy is not working for everyone. Meantime, workers demanding higher wages not the only issue for McDonald's these days. Between controversies and sluggish sales, is the shine off the golden arches? Seen the Hamburglar lately? It might be time for McDonald's to bring back the burger bandit. Slow sales, menu flops reaching beyond the brand, and now the end of the dollar menu as we know it. Starting in November, get ready for the dollar menu and more with new items up to $5. McDonald's CEO says it promotes value at different price points. It's the latest attempt to bring in business and bank more bucks. And Burger King is trying to play the fitness first game with low fat fries. But are customers satis-fried? It's too early to tell. Meanwhile, Wendy's is getting a makeover. Wendya's is revamping its image and its stock price has doubled in the last year. Its sizzling new menu item, a pretzel bacon cheese burger.
[Howard Penney, Managing Director, Hedgeve Risk Management:] Wendy's has definitely gotten back to the core foundation. Its quality, its freshness, its burgers, fries, cokes, it's what people go to a Wendy's for. And McDonald's is, you know, trying to do all things to all people.
[Romans:] So does McDonald's need to keep its eyes on the fries?
[Penney:] To grow again they actually need to shrink. If they take their menu and eliminate those items that aren't selling, then people will gravitate to the items that are more popular.
[Romans:] Tell that to Starbucks. After conquering coffee, the Seattle house of high-priced hot liquids is opening tea houses.
[Howard Schultz, Ceo, Starbucks:] The acquisition of juice, the acquisition of food, all of that is enhancing the experience of Starbucks creating different need states for our customers and recognizing that these things are about creating complementary experiences for our coffee customer.
[Tapper:] But back in burger land, customers would rather keep it simple.
[Penney:] McDonald's is the biggest restaurant company on the planet for a reason. It's done one thing well for 50 years, sells burger, fries, and coke.
[Romans:] Mess with the menu and you may get grimaced. You have to appeal to a younger audience too, so a lot of work ahead for McDonald's. All right, up next, housing market hot or cold? I'm going to show you the only three numbers that matter in housing. Plus, imagine your home ravaged by hurricane Katrina, you rebuild, and now your house is taken away from you again eight years later.
[Gaynelle Sorina:] You could digest tragedy from Mother Nature, I can, me personally. But when you have this kind of storm to take place, I can't digest that.
[Romans:] These families are not battling a storm, they are battling the banks.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] It is the top of the hour, everyone. I'm Don Lemon live in Sanford, Florida. Outside the Seminole County courthouse where the George Zimmerman trial is going on. We've heard from the jurors after 13 12 hours of deliberating, about nine hours of deliberating today. What we've heard from the jurors from the judge, the judge came in and said the jurors have a question regarding manslaughter. And they needed to address that question. She called for a recess of about 30 minutes to figure out exactly what was going on. They came back after 30 minutes with the attorney. They talked about case law, exactly what they could address, what kinds of questions they could address with the jurors. Both sides agree the prosecution and the defense along with the attorney, that they would present the jury with a handwritten note that was written by the judge saying that the court could not address general questions regarding manslaughter, but they could address specific questions for a specific question if the jurors did have that regarding manslaughter. So what the judge said, just to give her 15 minutes so the deputy and the court and the court officer could present that to the jury and the jury could get back to them and she would come back in 15 minutes or so and bring that to the court and then they would decide what to do after that. She also said the jury has ordered dinner and she said to both attorneys, both sides, that you can if you want to take an hour but give her 15 minutes. So, we have significant developments here a significant development in the George Zimmerman murder trial. Leading many to wonder if the jurors, if the jury here has moved beyond second-degree murder and now they're focusing on manslaughter. That's according to prosecutors. That's according to court watchers and people who have been doing this much longer than I have. Paul Callan is an analyst here, a legal analyst. Jeffrey Toobin is a legal analyst as well. Sunny Hostin is our legal analyst. And they are all joining us here. Holly Hughes is a former prosecutor. And Brian Kabateck is a former prosecutor. I am well represented here by a number of people who know a lot. And also Faith Jenkins joins me as well. I want to get back to our Jeffrey Toobin because he has been watching this. Again, specifically, no Jeffrey Toobin. All right. Sunny is my right-hand lady here. She has been doing this. So, Sunny, as you listened to the judge and again very methodical. You said this is important because this may be a point of appeal so that the judge has to be very careful. Everyone has to be very careful.
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Absolutely. And you see this all the time. Jury instructions being questioned and cases reversed because of improper jury instructions. So this judge is very smart. She understands that that's a possibility and she is being very careful and getting, if you noticed, the agreement of both the defense and the prosecution. And so, I think that's important. And she was right in determining that really that question, you know, we all have these jury instructions in front of us. That question was not very specific. I mean, there is an entire half a page about manslaughter. What is the clarification that they need? I suspect that they are going to ask a question about negligence because that is part of the jury instructions on manslaughter. Maybe they are concerned with what is mere negligence, what is negligence, what is intent?
[Lemon:] This is what you said each of us has a duty to act responsibly toward others. If there is a violation of that duty without any conscious intent to harm, that violations negligence.
[Hostin:] Right.
[Lemon:] What does that mean?
[Hostin:] What it means is if you're just merely negligent and you didn't mean to do anything, if there was some sort of accident, then you can't be found guilty of manslaughter. But if you intended to do harm to someone then you are guilty of manslaughter. It's not the type of intent that you see in second-degree murder where you have to have the depraved mind, you have to have ill will.
[Lemon:] So, listen, can the defense say the gun accidently they can't say the gun accidently went off?
[Hostin:] No, they cannot. They can't make any other arguments to the jury. They've made their arguments. One thing that we were talking about after closing arguments, if you noticed, the defense didn't take on manslaughter. They really didn't talk much about it. They certainly talked a lot about second-degree murder because, of course that is the charge that exposed their client to life in prison without the possibility of parole. They kind of left out there no theory of defense to manslaughter. That may be coming back to bite them now.
[Lemon:] OK. Holly Hughes, you've been watching this. Have you ever been presented with anything like this in court?
[Holly Hughes, Former Prosecutor:] Well, with the jury coming out with a question? Absolutely. It happens all the time, especially when you have something like this that is so powerfully charged, but it is a largely circumstantial evidence case. You've got the defendant's statements and he gave multiple, Don. We heard them come in through the prosecution witnesses, the officers that took them, but other than George Zimmerman's statements you kind of have to weave together all the other evidence that the prosecution presented. The 911 calls, what was heard on those. The phone call with Rachel Jeantel. We've got to look at the time lines and weave it in with the forensics. We know where the keys and cell phone were found on the ground, we know where George Zimmerman's flashlight was found on the ground. But you've got to put all those things together to figure out what happened, so it's largely circumstantial. You don't have somebody out there with a video phone recording the whole thing. So this is not unusual. The jury is trying to pick through it one thing at a time. Again, I think they probably have already gone through the discussion on second-degree murder. Now, that's not to say some of those jurors don't want to convict on that charge. But that's to say they fully fleshed it out, looked at the elements, and now at least one of them wants to talk about manslaughter. Is it? Is it not? So, this is a perfectly acceptable it tells me the jury is really taking it seriously and working hard. Just like I mean, Sunny, every one of us who has done this for a long time who has stood in the courtroom and made these arguments knows, 95 percent of appeals will come back on a jury issue, whether it's a problem with the jury instructions, Don, or whether it's a problem with jury selection.
[Lemon:] Right. Yes.
[Hughes:] Ninety-five percent of cases that come back, it's a problem with the jury so they're just doing what they need to do to make sure in any event this does not get reversed if there is a conviction.
[Lemon:] Yes. And the breaking news as you saw earlier on CNN is not that the jury ordered dinner. The breaking news is that the jury has some question about manslaughter. They need some clarification about a manslaughter charge so that they can move forward. Now, in that, the judge did announce that the jury has ordered dinner and said that the attorneys will get a break for about an hour shortly. But she asked for 15 minutes to see how the jury responded to the note that she sent the jury. Again, I want to reset here and tell our viewers exactly what happened. So just over an hour ago, the judge in this George Zimmerman trial came out and said that the jury had a question about manslaughter. They needed some clarification. Everyone convened including the attorneys, George Zimmerman, his family. All of the court watchers, all of the reporters came in and then she spoke to the attorneys and she said, I want to find out specifically what they need and give me 30 minutes. It took a 30- minute recess. She came back into the court to find out, found out what they needed. And then met there you see them earlier. Every one of the attorneys approached the bench. And then they after that all talked about some case law, exactly what they need, what have you, and then they decided after this that they needed to tell the jury that they couldn't talk in general about manslaughter but they could talk specifics. So, if they had specific questions or a specific question about manslaughter, that the court would address that. They gave that to the jurors, sent it with the court deputy about ten minutes ago and are just waiting to hear back from the jury. So, give us a few minutes here. We want to get to a quick break. We'll bring you to the courtroom and go back inside live right after this. It's a significant development in the George Zimmerman case.

[Pereira:] Graco facing the largest penalty of its kind for not swiftly recalling six million defective child safety seats or disclosing quickly enough to government regulators. Why did the company wait so long to recall that product? Let's ask Rene Marsh who sat down exclusively with the head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. What did you find out?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, this is all happening new this morning. And we know that this major car seat manufacturer, Graco, they just got hit with the largest penalty ever for a car seat maker. We're talking $10 million. Federal regulators say that Graco, they knew about a defect that caused the buckle on certain car seats to get stuck in the latched position, trapping kids in the seat. Of course, that's problematic in the case of an emergency. Despite that, the company waited months before recalling the more than four million seats. So here's the breakout: $3 million will have to be paid to the federal government right away. And $7 million must go towards a safety campaign, essentially educating parents. NHTSA says this is a record- breaking find and it is sending one message.
[Mark Rosekind, Nhtsa Administrator:] Largest car seat recall and it's the largest penalty for that sort of particular kind of defect. So, yes, you follow the law, and if not, we're going to be there to make sure it's enforced.
[Marsh:] All right. So another thing that NHTSA really wants parents to hammer in on is the fact that, when these recalls come out, a lot of parents do not take the car seats in to get changed, to get repaired. They want to you log on to Safercar.gov we'll have that on our website to make sure you are not driving around with a defective car seat John.
[Berman:] Right. Rene Marsh for us. From child car seats to children at play. Of course, I'm talking about politics. Let's go "Inside Politics" on NEW DAY now with John King. Good morning, John.
[John King, Cnn Correspondent/anchor:] Ah, the art of the segue, Mr. Berman. Excellent on a Friday morning. Nice to see you, and let's go "Inside Politics" on a very busy day, where our politics conversation will take us overseas a bit. With me to share their reporting and their insights, Margaret Talbot of Bloomberg and Jackie Kucinich of "The Daily Beast." Let's dissect the administration's reaction to the Netanyahu victory. And I was struck maybe I'm reading too much into this, but when the White House put out a paper statement yesterday, No. 1, they had the briefing. Then after the public briefing, they said, "Oh, yes, the president" by the way, would have loved to have been there "Mr. President, we're dialing up Prime Minister Netanyahu. Get ready for this one." The public statement, the press paper statement, said, "President Obama spoke today by telephone with Prime Minister Netanyahu to congratulate the prime minister on his party's success in winning a plurality of Knesset seats." Now, you could just say, "congratulate him on his victory," or you can make sure and try to say, "Don't let your head swell, buddy, on your plurality."

[Whitfield:] We're expecting to hear from President Obama in the next 90 minutes or so. He's going to honor the victims of last week's Navy Yard massacre at the Marine barracks in Washington. Let's bring in CNN chief political correspondent, Candy Crowley. So, Candy, it seems that it's really becoming the norm more than the exception for this president, having to help heal the nation with all these mass shootings. What can we expect from him today? He'll be at the Marine barracks, even though that shooting took place at that Navy Yard.
[Candy Crowley, Cnn Chief Political Correspondent:] Right. I think this is always a bit of the same thing. The president somehow needs to capture the emotions of a nation, speak to the deep loss of the people present that he's talking to, and somehow also try to bottle a lot of the anger that will be in that crowd, as well as elsewhere, without becoming too political. The president has certainly, in these previous incidents in Newtown and in Colorado, has been very easy with scriptures and has no problem at all with that. So he's kind of a preacher and a consoler and it's just, it's a very hard line to walk, particularly after you've done it so many times. I think that we are increasingly sort of seeing with the president a little more push in these sermons or talks or whatever you want to call them, to say, we've got to do something about weapons and keeping them out of the hands of the mentally ill and the criminals, et cetera.
[Whitfield:] And of course the president has an awful lot on his plate. There's that today, and then later on this week, he'll be going to the U.N. to talk more about Syria, perhaps, even, meet with the Iranian president. The White House is saying that's not scheduled, but it's a possibility, it hangs out there. So
[Crowley:] They may share an elevator, who knows.
[Whitfield:] Who knows? Is this something the White House wants to push for? Particularly since this president said very early on in his presidency and during his run, why not the president meet up with the Iranian leader and meet face to face and talk?
[Crowley:] Of course, but there is a, you know, there is a difference between, yes, actually, I spoke with him. We mentioned that we have many things in common, that our nations have not seen eye to eye for three decades. And it was a very nice five-minute chat. And then having a, let's just sit down and talk. Presidents of any country don't tend to just sit down and wing it. These meetings like this take months to plan. So I don't expect some big, let's change the world as we know it meeting. And but, certainly, some kind of, you know, hello, how are you; we disagree, we should continue to move toward, you know, talks. You know, there's a lot of diplomacy involved. Neither one would surprise me if he did or he didn't, but I can assure you, it's not going to be some big, groundbreaking policy wise meeting between the two of them.
[Whitfield:] It will be, indeed, an interesting week. All while what also hangs in the balance is the potential government shutdown and then talk of the debt ceiling. A whole lot on the president's plate and on America's plate. Candy Crowley, thanks so much for joining us from Washington.
[Crowley:] Thanks!
[Whitfield:] So with only eight days before that deadline for that government shutdown, who are Americans holding most accountable? As our political editor Paul Steinhauser finds out, both sides have reason to be concerned.
[Paul Steinhauser, Cnn Political Editor:] Hey, Fred. In the battle over a government shutdown, public opinion seems to be giving both sides plenty of ammunition. If the government runs out of money at the end of the month, President Obama says some in the GOP who are pushing to defund the health care law will be blamed.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] You have some Republicans in the House of Representatives who are promising to shut down the government at the end of this month if they can't shut down the Affordable Care Act.
[Steinhauser:] So who would you blame if there's a government shutdown? Half of those questioned in our recent CNN ORC poll say congressional Republicans with a third pointing fingers at the president. The health care law is front and center in this political game of chicken.
[John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] And the law's a train wreck. And it's going to raise costs. It's destroying American jobs and it must go.
[Rep. Eric Cantor , House Majority Leader:] We aim to put a stop to ObamaCare before it costs one more job or raises a family's out-of- pocket expenses one more dollar.
[Steinhauser:] Our survey finds that support for the measure is dropping; 39 percent say they favor most or all of the provisions in the law, down 12 points from the beginning of the year. With polls bolstering each side's arguments, there may be even less incentive to compromise. Fred?
[Whitfield:] Thanks so much, Paul Steinhauser. A photojournalist gets some of the first images of that horrible massacre in Kenya. He documents all of it. The images will simply shock you and break your heart. The photographer shares his story, next.

[Malveaux:] The State Department says that South Sudan has now gotten too dangerous, and it has evacuated more staff from the embassy there. All Americans left in the country are being urged to get out. As of tomorrow, the embassy won't be able to help any U.S. citizens still there. Fighting between rebel forces and government troops has gotten more intense. The government forces are about to retake a town from the rebels. Peace talks to stop the fighting are under way in Ethiopia. There's a lot of pressure for both sides to figure out how to deal with about 200,000 people who have fled the violence. There is now some alarming news coming out of Iraq. "The New York Times" is reporting that Sunni militants with ties to al Qaeda could take over two major cities. We are talking about Fallujah and Ramadi. Now, "The Times" says that the militants set fire to police stations. They've busted inmates out of jail, taken over mosques, and Fallujah, you might recall, is the city where many American troops died trying to defend. The defense ministry in Baghdad says that Iraq's air force has been carrying out military strikes in the area and killing terrorists. To sort all of this out, I want to bring in Christopher Hill, former U.S. ambassador to Iraq. And, Chris, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate this. You and I have talked many times in covering the Bush administration about what on Earth is going on in Iraq. It certainly seems to be a hot mess now. Explain to us how this is related to the civil war in Syria, which is now turning into a regional war that has spilled into not only Lebanon but now Iraq.
[Christopher Hill, Former U.s. Ambassador To Iraq:] You've got it. It has turned into a regional war. It is not to say that there aren't internal issues in Iraq, but I think the prime issue is you have Syria becoming a kind of magnet for every Sunni Islamist to come and fight. And certainly one of the great struggles for the Sunnis in that region of the Middle East is the fact that the Shia now control Iraq. And a few years ago, the U.S. military did a lot. They, first of all, helped seal the border to prevent foreign fighters or to limit foreign fighters from coming into Iraq. Secondly, they worked with Sunni Sheikhs in the Anbar area where the two cities are located to turn them and get them to support the government in the Baghdad. So that is proving much more problematic right now. And many of those Sunni Sheikhs are really afraid to strike out against the al Qaeda elements. So it's very discouraging news for people who have worked so hard to try to stabilize that country and certainly I think dangerous.
[Malveaux:] Chris, you're talking about Sunni militants. They're angry the way they're being treated by the Shiite government of Nouri al-Malaki, and now they're aligned with al Qaeda. How do you stop something like that?
[Hill:] You know, I mean, I realize there's certainly a body of thought that somehow the Shia-led government under Nouri al-Malaki has not done enough to be inclusive of the Sunnis and that this has led to some frustrations. But I would encourage the viewers to understand this problem is embedded in a broader region, namely in the sort of metastasized is Syrian crisis. To be sure, Malaki could do better. I don't deny that for a minute, but I think, right now, to kind of blame the Shia for this kind of level of Sunni violence is to some extent really to blame the victim. So I think al-Malaki is going to have to see what he can do to meet this challenge militarily. He's going to have a challenge keeping Shia groups from reforming into militia from keeping a more radicalized Shia population. It's going to be tough.
[Malveaux:] Chris, I've got to ask you this. It certainly seems this has escalated since American troops pulled out at the end of 2011. President Bush went in there saying this was going to be some place of peace in the Middle East, that this was going to be some sort of model. Do you see where the U.S. got involved at all? Is there any success here or is this just really ultimately a failure?
[Hill:] Well, I mean, certainly the question of Iraq and the invasion is something that history books will look at for a long time. Obviously, a lot of good things have happened. Certainly one can't spend 10 minutes in the country without thinking it was a good thing that Saddam Hussein is gone. But the notion that the United States, or specifically, the U.S. military, could deal with some of the political the underlying sectarian and political issues, those are issues that need to be sorted out by the Iraqis and it's going to take some time.
[Malveaux:] Would you advise the Obama administration to start bringing American troops back into Iraq if things just simply turn into turmoil? I mean, it is the mess that the United States in some ways created.
[Hill:] Well, first of all, I don't think we created the mess. I think the SunniShia problem has been there for a long time. We well may have underappreciated thinking the real fault line in Iraq was somehow between those who is believe in democracy and those who is believe in dictatorship. I think the real fault lines have to do with the fact that Iraq is one of these countries sort of on the edge between the Arab and Persian world, between the Arab and Turkish world. It is one of these countries that will always have these kinds of issues depending how well they're able to deal with it. Right now with a completely unmitigated situation disaster situation in Syria, I don't think there's a lot of Iraqi government. Even if it were God's gift to governments I don't think they would have an easy time.
[Malveaux:] Do you think it would help to bring back American troops?
[Hill:] No, I don't think that is a realistic prospect. Certainly I don't think there's a lot of stomach for it in this country. I don't think it's really what the solution requires. I think it's going to have to involve a lot of political work. And some security work to be sure by the Iraqi government.
[Malveaux:] All right. Ambassador Chris Hill, thank you as always. Good to speak to you. We'll be following that story as it develops. Certainly a lot of problems taking place and it is very worrisome. Chris, thanks again. We really appreciate it. People are scrambling right now at big airports, Midwest to northeast. I want you to take a look at this. This is actually the line at LaGuardia. There is a window of time between major storm part one and part two. That is right. Flights being canceled left and right today. Travelers, stay with us for an update. We'll have that next.

[Cuomo:] The Justice Department releasing a scathing 102-page report detailing a pattern of racism and systematic discrimination against blacks in Ferguson, Missouri, by the police department, period. CNN's Ed Lavandera has the latest. Ed, the more you read, the worse it gets.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] You know, Chris, many of the anecdotal stories that are talked about in this length report issued by the Department of Justice many citizens say they relate to extremely well.
[Lavandera:] Months after racially charged protests in Ferguson, a new Justice Department report is exposing the ugly and pervasive culture of racism that ignited the unrest.
[Eric Holder, Attorney General:] Our view of the evidence found no, no alternative explanation for the disproportionate impact on African- American residents other than implicit and explicit racial bias.
[Lavandera:] The Justice Department's report reveals a pattern of practice of racial discrimination of African-Americans by Ferguson police and municipal court employees. It's filled with specific cases and shocking racially offensive e-mails targeting the president and first lady. One e-mail depicts President Obama as a chimpanzee. Another includes a photo of a group of bare-chested women dancing in what appears to be Africa with a caption that reads "Michelle Obama's high school reunion." Community leaders in Ferguson are outraged.
[Unidentified Female:] If they will say that about the president of the United States, what do you think they will say about poor black men and poor black women living in a racialized area of this city?
[Lavandera:] The searing report showed that African-Americans made up 93 percent of arrests, 88 percent of cases where force was used by police, 90 percent of citations and 85 percent of traffic stops. They faced that kind of discrimination at the hands of Ferguson police day in and day out for years. In one example an African-American man was pulled out of his apartment after an argument. When he told police, "You don't have a reason to lock me up," the officer responded using the N-word and said, "I can find something to lock you up on." The report paints a scathing portrait of the department's policing efforts, with officers using minor traffic and other violations to raise money for the city.
[James Knowles, Ferguson Mayor:] These actions taken by these individuals are in no way representative of the employees of the city of Ferguson. We must all work to address issues of racial disparity in all aspects of society.
[Lavandera:] And many residents here in Ferguson say that what they have seen in this report and what they have experienced themselves is just outright harassment over the years, but despite the mayor speaking out briefly, John, it was the police chief who did not appear at that press conference and has not spoken out publicly since the report was issued John.
[Berman:] Ed Lavandera, thanks so much. I want to talk a whole lot more about that. I want to bring in the managing editor of "The St. Louis American", Chris King, along with Reverend Starsky Wilson. He's co-chair of the Ferguson Commission, an independent group studying social and economic conditions in the St. Louis area. Chris, let me start with you here. I mean, this report in some ways as the first day of the rest of the Ferguson police department's life and the police chief, Tom Jackson, not even there for the release, Chris. What does that say for you?
[Chris King, Managing Editor, The St. Louis American:] It says that they're trying to make a deal to get him to go away is what it says to me. If I was the mayor of Ferguson, thank God I'm not, but I would have opened that press conference by saying I accepted the resignation of Chief Tom Jackson today. This report shows that we don't have a professional police department.
[Berman:] And, Reverend Wilson, I mean, is there any way given what's in that report, given what's in that report, given the contents of what that report says has been going on in Ferguson is there any way the chief should be allowed to keep his job?
[Rev. Starsky Wilson, Ceo Of The Deaconness Foundation:] I think the chief has to be thoughtful about what's best for the community, what's best for the region. Quite frankly, this is something he could have considered a long time ago. He could have taken this action by now. But it is also the case of the city council that the city manager, who really has chief administrative responsibility in the city of Ferguson should be thoughtful about how they can have an opportunity to move forward if this is, indeed, the first day of that police department's the rest of that police department's life, they have to be thoughtful about who they want to guide it, how they want it overseen. And the report suggests they need to totally reorient the thinking and orientation of policing there. This requires culture change which requires leadership change.
[Berman:] To continue this metaphor, Chris, the first day of the rest of his life, should this police department even have a life anymore? One option would simply be to disband it, hand over jurisdiction or policing duties to St. Louis County or one of the areas around there. Do you think it's capable, possible even to fix things?
[King:] No. Darren Wilson came to Ferguson from the Jennings Police Department, another poorly run and racist police department. It was dissolved and they contracted for police services with St. Louis County, which has 850 cops. Ferguson has about 50. So, look at the scale. The scale is reflected in the professionalism. St. Louis County Police Department is flawed and it's under a collaborative review with the cops division of the Department of Justice and we can improve that police department, but we shouldn't have a Ferguson Police Department.
[Berman:] Reverend Wilson, talk to me now about what you are going to do. How does this affect your job in the coming days and weeks as you talk to city leaders, the elected officials there, the appointed city managers?
[Wilson:] Well, first and foremost, this work that we're doing through the commission is regional work. And while we do have this particular input about one particular police department, we recognize that you could go a couple of miles in either direction and you're in another city where quite frankly you could have run this same study and you could have these same kinds of results. Bellefontaine Neighbors, which is nearby, has some similar kind of things that we find in this report coming out now about them. So what this does is this gives us an opportunity and an assessment tool from a third party external to the region to be thoughtful about all of our policing. So, to be thoughtful about what true community policing actually is, what it means to have the community engaged, to have police to be accountable to them. So, this becomes a tool in our work. We've seen more than 22 reports posted through the commission so far. This needs to be an input for our citizen law enforcement relations group and, quite frankly, it becomes validation not just for the truth of the testimony we've heard from citizens but also from some of the early priorities coming out of our working group for citizen law enforcement relations and municipal courts and governance. So, the question is, how many folks are going to step up, receive this report and honor that it's not just about one municipality, it's rather about a regional approach to policing that needs to be reoriented.
[Berman:] Chris, you keep nodding your head agreeing with Reverend Wilson here. Is that because you simply are not surprised at all by the findings of this report, that you agree with the suggestions inside of it and you think the way forward is obvious now?
[King:] Well, I'm agreeing with Starsky because he's right, what he's saying is correct about our regional fragmentation. Ferguson is very typical of north county municipalities. The Department of Justice has a mandate and Congressman Clay has urged them to take this mandate to extend the review. And if you listen closely to the attorney general, he said other municipalities and then he repeated that from his prepared remarks. So, I don't think they're not done looking. If they're not done looking, I'm here to tell you they're not done finding other police departments that don't deserve to be police departments.
[Berman:] Talk to me a little bit about the process yesterday. Look, since August things in and around Ferguson have been complicated, that's being euphemistic. They've been messed up largely in the way a lot of this has been handled from the beginning. Chris, what did you think about the way this information was released yesterday after being leaked in the days before?
[King:] Very, very, very bad decision by the Department of Justice and did I let my feelings being known to our direct contact there. There's not reason to manipulate the public. I felt manipulated as a journalist myself. I had to read about this in the national press. We're the African "St. Louis America" is the African-American newspaper for the state of Missouri and certainly the eastern half of the state and for St. Louis, and we have a national voice to the black public and for us to have to read a leaked report, I had to get it from a reporter I know in Washington, D.C. I was very personally insulted on behalf of our readers that we had to be manipulated. Just give us the complete report. Trust us let us at the grownup table, just let us read the report, don't manipulate what we think about the report. Let us read the entire report and we should be talking about it after we've read it.
[Berman:] Chris King and Starsky Wilson, thanks so much for being with us. Good luck going ahead because the work is just beginning there. Let us know what you think about this. You can tweet us @new day or go to Facebook.comnewday. Leave us your thoughts. Michaela?
[Pereira:] All right. John, some of you may be at risk of losing your health insurance. The Supreme Court taking on a make-or-break Obamacare case this week. Why your coverage could be compromised, ahead.

[Banfield:] The Supreme Court could finally be forced to decide the constitutionality of same sex marriage because a federal appeals court in Cincinnati has just upheld a ban, a big one, on gay marriage in Ohio and Michigan and Tennessee and Kentucky. The ruling is definitely in conflict with other federal appeals court decisions that overturn those bans on same sex marriage in a number of states saying, "That's just not right. Gay people should be allowed to marry too." Joining me to talk about the court's role in same sex marriage and what happens next, senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. So here's the thing that I think a lot of people maybe are confused about at times. It seemed like there was this ball rolling across the country and one by one, each of this circuit decisions was going away of gay marriage. And then boom, comes the sixth circuit and said, "No, we're going to keep that ban in place." Why does that all of a sudden get the attention of the Supreme Court when the others did not.
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] Because the Supreme Court exists. One of the reasons we have a Supreme Court is to settle disputes among the lower courts. Now we and they happen fairly often. It's not like this is some novel thing. There are often legal issues where some appeals courts decide the same issue one way, some decide the other. That's why we have a Supreme Court. So this pretty much guarantees that the Supreme Court will address this issues here.
[Banfield:] So the Notorious RBG, Ruth Bader Ginsburg...
[Toobin:] Ruth Bader Ginsburg, yes.
[Banfield:] That is truly her blog, right? I mean...
[Toobin:] Well she doesn't have her own blog.
[Banfield:] Well, did OK. Give me a break. So what she said was, now if that court, the sixth, should disagree with the others, then there will be some urgency in the court taking the case. But when all the courts of appeals are in agreement, there's no need for us to rush or step in. Effectively what you just said. Here's what I'm not clear on, why did the sixth circuit see these things because it sounded to me and I'm a lay guy, that it was kind of social commentary, their decision, as opposed to something steeped in actual contemplation of jurisprudence law. I don't get where they were.
[Toobin:] I would put slightly differently. The judge in that case, Jeff Sutton is a very conservative George W. Bush appointee. The dissenting judge was Martha Daughtrey, a more liberal Clinton appointee, these political issues affect the judiciary. Bush nominees tend to look at this issue one way, Clinton and Obama issues judges look at it in another way.
[Banfield:] I usually think that in the Supreme Court.
[Toobin:] It's lower courts too. When you get to really high profile, political type issues like, this...
[Banfield:] Really high profile.
[Toobin:] Absolutely. That's why judicial confirmations are such hot topics in the Senate even with lower court judges because the politics...
[Banfield:] Even Ms. Daugthrey said though but she even made a comment about this. Like you said, circuit court judge Martha Craig Daughtrey. In her dissent, she said, "My colleagues view the plaintiffs as social activist who have somehow stumbled into federal court." This isn't social activism, I means there're cases that need to be decided based on law, not on concept.
[Toobin:] Well, and in fairness to the majority in this case, Jeff Sutton said, "Look, if we are going to look at the original intent of the framers of the Constitution, they did not think that they were legalizing same sex marriage." Which is probably a fair point, except that Martha Daughtrey would respond that we have had lots of cases since then interpreting the Constitution which leads to a conclusion that there is a right to same sex marriage.
[Banfield:] I only have 10 seconds. When is this going to be [inaudible]?
[Toobin:] Probably by June.
[Banfield:] By June.
[Toobin:] Decided by June.
[Banfield:] Decided...
[Toobin:] I think this will take at this term.
[Banfield:] You busy in June?
[Toobin:] I this is what I do. This is...
[Banfield:] It's what you do.
[Toobin:] This is my busyness.
[Banfield:] But you're on contract don't be busy in June. Jeffrey Toobin, thank you.
[Toobin:] No, I have a work plan.
[Banfield:] Stick around because we've got a case that is right up Jeffrey Toobin's alley. Yes, the Supreme Court guy loves really hard rock. And the drummer from a popular band was charged with a long list of dirty deeds yes, this is a hint as to what band. And now the most serious charges against ACDC's Phil Rudd have been dropped. But what happened and what was going on in that courtroom? It's next.

[Blitzer:] Backed by Latino leaders and immigration reform advocates, the New Jersey governor, Chris Christie, today signed the state's Dream Act, granting in-state tuition rates to undocumented immigrants. Governor Christie said it sends a message.
[Gov. Chris Christie , New Jersey:] Unlike what happens in Washington, the government can actually work for you. That things can actually get done. That agreements can be reached and that commitments can be kept.
[Blitzer:] But does the signing also show that Governor Christie may be able to swing some Hispanics away from Democrats if, if he runs for the White House in 2016? Let's bring in our chief national correspondent John King and our CNN political reporter Peter Hamby. Peter, you were there at that signing, at that event today. What did it say to you about Governor Christie and a potential run for the Republican presidential nomination?
[Peter Hamby, Cnn National Political Reporter:] Well, talking specifically, Wolf, about the Republican nomination, what it says to me is in this is another example of Chris Christie leaning you know, putting both feet firmly on the establishment side of the Republican primary contest. Look, look at the names of people who might run for president. Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry. You know, they cross different ideological lines within the party but a lot of them sort of lean more to the right. And Christie I think is making a bet that he is going to be a candidate who can win in a general election, you know, primary be damned. He'll see what happens within the primary. He's going to piss off some people, sure, in a primary. But hey, his people say, we don't need to win every single Republican primary voter. To win these primaries, you only need 25 percent, 30 percent, 20 percent in these states. Remember, John McCain, champion of comprehensive immigration reform in 2007, ended up being the Republican nominee for president. He won the state of South Carolina, a notoriously conservative state. So you can win the Republican nomination even while signing pieces of legislation that may rankle the Republican base Wolf.
[Blitzer:] So, John, is this beginning of the Christie stump speech out there?
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent:] I think it's part of the Christie stump speech. It's part of him saying I'm a different kind of Republican like Bill Clinton was a different kind of Democrat. That I'm willing to reach a bit to the middle on some issues. I'm willing to be a pragmatic conservative, not a rigid ideological conservative. Look, he just got 51 percent of the Latino vote in his reelection bid. That's a great thing for him to carry around the country. Now it's not fair in some ways, he didn't have a strong Democratic opponent. However, it's still better than any other Republican thinking about running for president has done with the Latino vote. And so here's the thing. It guarantees you if he runs, that as Peter just noted, McCain's support was an issue in 2008, even McCain moved to the right on his own bill during that campaign to a degree. In 2012, we saw this again, Mitt Romney so trying to get to the right of Rick Perry on immigration he used the famous line, well, they'll self- deport, which hurt him in the general election without a doubt. Here's Christie saying I think we can win this argument and I'm willing to have it as a Republican. It guarantees immigration will again be a dividing line, a flash point in the Republican primaries assuming he's in. And it sure looks like he is.
[Blitzer:] It certainly does. All right. Thanks very much. John King, Peter Hamby, guys, appreciate it. This news, by the way, just coming into THE SITUATION ROOM. A U.S. Air Force helicopter has crashed in the United Kingdom. Video from the scene just coming in. Local police say four people are believed to be dead. The Pentagon does not yet have the official status of those on board. We're going to get more information and will provide it to you as it comes in. Other stories we're monitoring right now in THE SITUATION ROOM, the Russian research ship stranded since Christmas Eve in the Antarctic ice is free and is heading for open waters, according to its captain. Fifty-two scientists, journalists, tourists, crew members were safely rescued from the ship by helicopter last week. Another icebreaker which got stuck during a rescue attempt is also now free. The government has announced a $1.7 billion settlement with JPMorgan Chase over business dealings linked to the convicted Ponzi scheme mastermind Bernie Madoff. Prosecutors accused the global firm of ignoring warnings about Madoff's crimes and turning a blind eye to his massive fraud. They say they'll use the money to help compensate victims. JPMorgan says it doesn't believe any employee knowingly assisted in the notorious scheme. The reigning Olympic and World Cup skiing champion Lindsey Vonn is pulling out of next month's Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, recently announcing on her Facebook page recent knee troubles are too much for her to overcome in time. Vonn, who's dating the golfer Tiger Woods, underwent reconstructive surgery after hurting a right knee nearly a year ago, then aggravated the problem during a crash in November. Just ahead, will House Republicans follow the Senate's lead, vote to extend unemployment benefits for more than one million Americans? I'll ask the head of the Republican National Committee. There he is, Reince Priebus. He's standing by to join us live here in THE SITUATION ROOM. Plus, Dennis Rodman talks exclusively to CNN from inside North Korea and unleashes a rant.
[Rodman:] No, no, no, no, I'm just saying no, I don't give

[Harlow:] In her first major rally of the 2016 presidential race, Hillary Clinton told a New York crowd today, it is time. The former secretary of state and New York senator says now is the moment for Americans to capitalize on the country's economic rebound, and she says she has the plan to make that happen.
[Hillary Clinton , Presidential Candidate:] You brought our country back. Now it's time, your time to secure the gains and move ahead. And you know what? America can't succeed unless you succeed. That is why I am running for president of the United States!
[Harlow:] Let's talk about this with Ryan Lizza. He is the Washington correspondent for the New Yorker, also CNN political commentator. He watched her speech. I watched her speech. A lot of people were there. Ryan, she said something else. Listen.
[Clinton:] I may not be the youngest candidate in this race. But I will be the youngest woman president in the history of the United States.
[Harlow:] Ryan, we're told that that was adlibbed, that it wasn't planned. And I'm wondering what you think of that move. So different. Such a different strategy than how she ran in terms of focusing on being a woman back in 2008.
[Ryan Lizza, Washington Correspondent, The New Yorker:] Yes. And I think someone in the Clinton campaign also said that was a line she heard from a voter and she was out campaigning recently and she threw it in the speech at the last second. Very big difference, because in 2008, when she ran, she did not want to run so forwardly on her identity as a woman, frankly. She didn't think that it was necessary politically advantageous. She thought the American public; there was a sort of psychological barrier towards perhaps towards electing the first woman. And now, the politics I think have changed quite a bit on that issue. And she realizes that women, especially unmarried women, are this huge block of voters available for the Democrats. They're very important to the democratic primary even more important in a general election. And she's going to emphasize that what makes her new, yes, she has been around for a long time, but what makes her new, is that she can break this barrier and become the first female nominee of a major party and then a first female president. So I think that's the political calculus that has changed there.
[Harlow:] Her campaign chairman John Podesta, big name in Washington politics, told CNN quote "this will be a new moment." Listening to her today, she really framed herself as a populist, right? There she is on Roosevelt Island, sort of hearkening back to the Roosevelts. The focus was on equality in pay, on higher wages, much more that foreign policy. Is that a smart strategy?
[Lizza:] I mean, this was a speech with a lot of domestic policy as you point out and wrapped around what to do about the middle class, what to do about the stagnant wages, but almost nothing specific on foreign policy which is rather surprising for a former secretary of state. I think there will be some pressure, maybe not from voters because if you look at the polls, there's not a clamoring for these candidates to talk as much about foreign policy right now. But certainly from the press, there's some big issues that she has ducked on foreign policy that I think she needs to clarify, this issue of what to do about the international free trade agreement in Congress that just lost yesterday. She has not had a position on that. What to do about Iran? What to do about NSA spying? She has not weighed on some of these big things. What to do about the keystone pipeline? Some big important foreign policy issues that she'll have to fill in the blanks over the next few weeks.
[Harlow:] And quickly before I let you go, looking at these pictures, this is the first official that at time we've seen the former president Bill Clinton and their daughter Chelsea Clinton there on the campaign trail with her. Ryan, what role will former President Clinton play in this campaign?
[Lizza:] Well, just to be a theater critic here for a second. Look at the former president there. He's wearing this white this red polo shirt. He's very casual. I think they want him to recede to the background a little bit. Play more of avuncular figure. Not as much of a statesman who can threaten to overshadow her, but a much more of a supporting background role. He's in the going to be out there as forward as he was in 2008, some people argue to Hillary's detriment.
[Harlow:] Yes. I will say that our Jake Tapper had a chance this week to interview former president Clinton. Fascinating interview. So everyone's going to be able to hear it. And it got pretty personal about him and his wife and what she has meant to him all through the years. And how he thinks she would be as president. So that is tomorrow on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Jake Tapper. Ryan Lizza, thank you very much.
[Lizza:] Thank you, Poppy. Any time.
[Harlow:] As always. And as I said you're going to hear from former president Bill Clinton tomorrow on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Jake Tapper. While Hillary Clinton makes her pitch to voters, GOP candidates are trying to win over big, big money donors. We're going to talk about that. But first, this. Get ready for a taste of island life with tomorrow's brand new episode of "PARTS UNKNOWN." This time Anthony Bourdain is showing us a part of Hawaii that few tourists ever see. Take a look.
[Anthony Bourdain, Cnn Host, Parts Unknown:] So, Hawaii. I'm conflicted about what I should tell Hawaii because really, of almost all the places that I've been, this surprisingly is the least screwed up.
[Unidentified Male:] All right.
[Bourdain:] So I'm not sure what I should tell you about this amazing, multi-flavored I'm pretty sure Jesus does not want me to eat this. Multi-culture, awesome mash-up of cool stuff. We haven't even talked about spam in a spectacular environment. I think what I should tell you is this. Hawaii, it's awesome. Don't come here.

[Banfield:] Welcome back to LEGAL VIEW. Tonight, the president outlines his plan to bring down the militant group known as ISIS. We're told he's going to be specific about the military missions to take out the fighters on the ground, and also missions to take away their money and cut them off from the rest of the world as well. So the specific part comes from the secretary of state, who is in Baghdad right now. John Kerry calling ISIS a cancer that needs to be stopped. He also said there is no way the U.S. is going to do it alone.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] Nearly every country on Earth could have an ability and an interest to join in this effort, whether by providing military assistance, by helping to track and stop the flow of foreign fighters, helping to track and stop the flow of money, All of these are things that sustain ISIS'terrorism, and all of them are things that are subject to impact by other countries in the world.
[Banfield:] CNN military analyst Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona is here to talk about this. Also Professor Austin Long from Columbia University School of International and Public Affairs, who also just so happened to be a former analyst and adviser for the multinational Iraq forces. You're perfect, both of you, for this. I'm going to start with you, colonel, if I can. If that's the case, if what we're going to hear tonight is that yes, indeed, bombs from the skies will start dropping over Syria sometime soon, what could possibly go wrong?
[Lt. Col. Rick Francona , Cnn Military Analyst:] There are so many moving parts in Syria, a lot could go wrong. As long as we know what we're doing there and who we're going to hit. But the problem will be, who are you going to bomb, what are you going to bomb, what are the target sets going to be? In Iraq, it's much more defined. We know who the bad guys are. We know where they are. I don't think our
[Banfield:] And by the way, we have people who have specific expertise in calling those kinds of strikes in with their boots on the ground.
[Francona:] Yes, but are they in Syria?
[Banfield:] Right.
[Francona:] Are we willing to put them in Syria? Are we going to put them in harm's way there? Iraq is one thing because we control the airspace and we have a lot of sway in what goes on in the country. Syria, still kind of a wild card and many, many moving parts, so it would be very dangerous.
[Banfield:] Speaking of the moving parts, Austin, this notion that there's this potential for arming and training the friendly insurgents I hate to even use the word because I know many, many years ago we called the mujahedeen in Afghanistan friendlies. How do you determine who are the friendlies? How do you determine how long they'll stay friendlies?
[Austin Long, Former Adviser, Multinational Forces, Iraq:] That's the real issue is it's very difficult to tell who is friendly at all. There are many groups that are fighting against the Islamic state. But it's not clear in ideology they are all that much different. So finding out who your potential and I think you have to put friends in quotation marks, your "friends" are is very difficult. It's probably the key intelligence challenge.
[Francona:] And it changes day to day because you'll see this patchwork of different Islamist groups and the Free Syrian Army and they will make temporary accommodations in a certain area to do certain fighting. So on one day you would be allied with one group and then anti them the next day.
[Banfield:] For the kids that are 25, the friendlies were the mujahedeen, who ultimately turned into al Qaeda, as we know them, who ultimately, you know, morphed into what we've got now with ISIS. Let me just ask you guys both to weigh in on a statement from Marie Harf, the State Department spokesperson, who talked yesterday about what this coalition needs to deliver, effectively not just a military coalition but a financial coalition, a diplomatic coalition, a coalition to fight foreign fighters and a humanitarian coalition. Are all of those the buzzwords that you need to bring in, say, a Qatar, a UAE, a Saudi Arabia, A Jordan, a Lebanon, you know, who have been pretty darn quiet up till now?
[Francona:] I'll start. On the military side, I don't think you're going to see any coalition troops on the ground until the U.S. commits to providing the leadership. And that means U.S. boots on the ground. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, even the Turks, we could see them provide forces, but they will not do it unless there are U.S. troops there. The U.S. has to pony up.
[Banfield:] But even though these are the countries, you know, Qatar, you know, excluded, that actually share borders and could ultimately end up as ISIL territory. Don't they have the most at stake, Austin? Shouldn't they be the ones putting boots on the ground?
[Long:] They do, but they can't agree on what to do. I mean if you look at Libya right now, Qatar and the UAE are essentially fighting a proxy war against one another there. So you can draw a big tent, but you have to get everybody on the same page inside that tent. So
[Banfield:] So, colonel, are you serious that these other countries won't join the coalition with boots on the ground unless America puts boots on the ground? So no one effectively is going to be actually willing to step on that turf?
[Francona:] I don't see them doing this is you know, you've talk a good game, United States, but, you know, and you're willing to do air strikes. But when it comes to putting boots on the ground and have to do the slugging out and fighting, you know, face to face these guys, you want us to do it? I think they're in a they're in the position, they have the luxury of sitting back and watching because they believe that we broke Iraq, now we have to fix it.
[Banfield:] And just one last question as to the money, because that seems to be a big part of discussions, and we may hear a lot about it from the president tonight. Austin, money and things that money can buy, can they be easily tracked, say, five years down the road when those things can, you know, all of a sudden be overrun and taken by an enemy of the United States?
[Long:] Yes, that's true of everything. It's true of money. It's true of weapons, et cetera. And the Islamic State, one of their core strengths is the ability to get money and do things with it.
[Banfield:] All right, well, both of you, terrific, and I'll be looking forward to see what the president has to say and we'll have to have you both back to reanalyze whether we had the right idea or whether we are in for a big, long haul. I think no matter what, we're in for a big, long haul on this one. Austin Long, Colonel Rick Francona, thank you. Remember, you can tune in to see the president's speech on ISIS tonight,
[Cnn, 9:] 00 Eastern Time.

[Tapper:] Forget the New York Giants or the Jets, neither is governor Chris Christie's favorite. Watch the governor riling up a New Jersey school assembly.
[Gov. Chris Christie , New Jersey:] My favorite football team are the Dallas Cowboys, which by the way, is not the smartest thing for the governor of New Jersey, to want to be a fan of the Dallas Cowboys.
[Tapper:] Christie says the Giants and Jets of his childhood, quote, "Pretty much stunk, and why root for a team that makes you angry?" Just days before Wimbledon, tennis star Serena Williams finds herself having to explain a controversial remark about a high-profile rape case. In an interview with "Rolling Stone" magazine, she talked about the conviction of two Steubenville, Ohio, high school football players who assaulted a drunk 16-year-old classmate. Williams said the girl should not have been drinking and that she, quote, "shouldn't have put herself in that position," unquote. CNN's Rachel Nichols is working the story for us. Rachel, what is Serena Williams saying about this controversy?
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, well, Jake, I want to put that quote in a little bit more context for you, as well. The beginning of the quote in "Rolling Stone" had her saying specifically,"I am not blaming the girl." She then went on to question did the girl's parents I'm using her words teach her about drinking and not drinking to the point where she couldn't remember anything and then that's where she followed, saying she shouldn't have put herself in that position. That's the context of it. Of course, it still angered plenty of people, and that's why Serena then came out with a statement today. And she said, quote, "I'm currently reaching out to the girl's family to let her know that I am deeply sorry for what is written in "Rolling Stone." What was written, what I supposedly said, is insensitive and hurtful and I by no means would say or insinuate that she was at all to blame." Serena then went on to say in her statement that "My prayers and support always go out to the rape victim, in this case most especially, an innocent 16-year-old child." So she clearly feels at this point she needs to come forward and clarify her remarks and hopes that this kind of puts an end to the issue, but of course, she's about to start Wimbledon, Jake. She'll be giving plenty of press conferences over the next two weeks, and you can bet she's going to be asked about that.
[Tapper:] You've known Serena since she was 15. What's your perspective here?
[Nichols:] You know, she went on in her statement to say that she's always been very supportive of women's issues. And that's actually true. She and her sister, Venus, have made such a point of being vocal on these that there's actually a documentary about that coming out later this summer. So I think we can look at her actions over the years and trust that what she says in her statement today is true, that her general feeling about this is what it is. And then separately, when she wants to talk about the fact that, hey, maybe you tell your daughters, your young girls "Don't get so drunk as a teenager that you could fall prey to predators. Don't put yourself in position to be the victims of crimes and people that would want to hurt you." Doesn't necessarily mean that they are at fault for those crimes. It just means that you need to be smart about certain situations so you lessen the chances of being in those positions. Now, confusing those two things is something Serena did because of course, the victim in the Steubenville case didn't do anything wrong. And she needs to basically come forward and say that, which she thinks she said today.
[Tapper:] Right. Well, I mean, I do wonder what about the parents of the two convicted rapists? Did the parents teach them that sexual assaulting and raping young girls isn't a good idea? But we'll leave that where it is.
[Nichols:] Certainly yes, I would certainly hope that parents all over teach them that.
[Tapper:] Right.
[Nichols:] And I think that Serena's been on record in the past saying things. I just think that for her, at this point, she sort of says things casually. And I would like to give her the credit of admitting that she was wrong, because she was wrong in this situation. The comments that she made were wrong, and I think that she came out and said that they were wrong and apologized. It's something that gets added to that ledger, and then we'll see where she goes forward from here.
[Tapper:] All right, Rachael Nichols. Just one quick note from you. Is LeBron James going to wear his headband tonight or is he not?
[Nichols:] We'll move on to something a little bit more lightweight. Yes. The game seven of the NBA finals. Game six, if you were watching, LeBron's headband, something that he is rarely seen without, came off. And he played like a beast, as he said, after that. So the big question is, is he going to wear it tomorrow night? I was able to sit down for an interview that will run on CNN during the day tomorrow. But he did reveal an exclusive sneak peak, Jake. He did say that he's going to start with the headband. In fact, he was very funny during the interview. He took his headband and kissed it. He apologized for abandoning it last night, and he said that he's going to start with it in game seven. But then he'll see how he plays. If he doesn't play well that headband could go again.
[Tapper:] Interesting. All right. We'll all be watching. The interview start airing tomorrow on "NEW DAY," which airs at 6 a.m. beginning at 6 a.m. tomorrow morning. Thank you, Rachel Nichols. Coming up, Prancercise rides again. If you like the original, and millions of people did, for some reason, you have to see what's coming up next.

[Romans:] Happening now, a daring rescue operation at the top of the world. It appears to be a success. Helicopter pilots are risking their lives at the peak of Mt. Everest to rescue all of the stranded climbers from the highest point on the planet. CNN's Erin McLaughlin live for us this morning Erin.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Christine. Amidst utter devastation, a glimmer of good news, the last of those stranded climbers in the upper reaches of Mt. Everest have been safely evacuated by a chopper back to base camp. That is according to a group of climbers I've been speaking to this morning. They are being brought to a base camp suffering from utter devastation after that incredible avalanche swept through the camp. I was speaking to a 17-year-old from Boulder, Colorado, by the name of Matthew Moniz, who described to me how he hid behind a rock as that avalanche swept through, really devastating the camp. He said that the entire camp came together and the after of that avalanche yesterday to try to help and rescue the injured and sadly recover the dead. At least 17 killed in that avalanche, including four Americans. Moniz told me how he spent the day bringing the injured to a makeshift clinic, a makeshift clinic because the real clinic had been completely wiped out. Now Moniz said the priority for many climbers there is to get out of the area. They are hoping the international airport opens to international traffic shortly so that he can go home.
[Romans:] All right, Erin McLaughlin, thank you for that so much. Breaking news out of Baltimore to keep you up to speed on riots breaking out in the streets, "NEW DAY" picks up the story from us right now.
[Cuomo:] Situation here right now, the fire
[Unidentified Male:] Chaos, just 40 miles away from the White House. Unbelievable scenes of lawlessness. You guys, we got to move back.
[Romans:] The message that spread on social media about a purge.
[Cuomo:] There's a liquor store just lit on fire across the road from us.
[Unidentified Male:] The Baltimore Police Department doesn't have the resources. All this violence and destruction I am really appalled.
[Unidentified Female:] We have control, we are responding to fire. We are responding to police.
[Unidentified Male:] I don't think anybody in Baltimore believes that anything is in control.
[Cuomo:] There's a baby coming out from the building next door. They're evacuating people.
[Unidentified Female:] Where's the mayor!
[Unidentified Male:] We swore to protect you people. Now get the hell out of our way and let us do our job.
[Cuomo:] Thankfully it is a "NEW DAY" and we are live in Baltimore after a very long and scary night. Alisyn and Mich are in New York for you. I'm in Baltimore. There's a state of emergency in effect here right now coming well after Baltimore fell victim to marauding rioters and looters. Over two dozen arrests, 15 police officers injured, cars and businesses, as you can see on your screen, just torched all day, all night. The worst day of violence reserved for the day that Freddie Gray was being buried after apparently having been injured while in police custody over a week ago. That is the situation here. Now, 5,000 reinforcements from neighboring states have been brought in to help control the situation, which has been the ugliest rioting in Baltimore since the '60s. Schools in Baltimore today shut down. The mayor now imposing a curfew 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m., the big question is can authorities enforce it? And it's a legit question after what we saw last night, sirens all day, through the darkness, signaling the

[Baldwin:] The killings in Santa Barbara led to an instant and curious reaction on Twitter. Of course, there were condolences to loved ones but also real anger, not just at the senseless deaths but at Elliot Rodger's hate-filled rant against women. Women acknowledge that not all men are dangerous but that is not actually the point. And, yes, all women have a difficult, at times, place in the world. This hash tag that has now been trending for days, #yesallwomen, trending since Saturday, with more than 1.2 million tweets. One woman summed it up this way. She tweeted, "Not all men practice violence against women but, #yesallwomen live with the threat of male violence every single day all over the world." Here is another tweet. "#Yesallwomen. Because "I have a boyfriend" is more likely to get a guy to back off than no because they respect other men more than women." Another tweet, "If you think, #yesallwomen is an attack on men, you're not listening to women, which is kind of a problem. Rachel Sklar is the founder of TheLi.st; and Olivia Nuzzi is a reporter with "The Daily Beast." They are joining me now. Ladies, welcome. Olivia, let me begin with you, because you can really take time and read the tweets. I read your piece on the daily beast. What do you think this campaign is about?
[Olivia Nuzzi, Reporter, The Daily Beast:] The broader issue is women face sexism everyday, in everyday exchanges, and it's not always big enough to make a big deal about it. With this hash tag, women feel more comfortable sharing their stories. Strength in numbers. When you see a woman talking about facing sexism, you feel more comfortable facing those experiences.
[Baldwin:] Rachel, when I was looking through them, there are all kinds of themes from an unwanted look on the street to stories of attempted assault. This has gone way beyond the mass shooting in Santa Barbara. And it seems like this is obviously coming from somewhere. Is this just an outlet for women?
[Rachel Sklar, Founder, Theli.st:] I think what you saw happening has been just a collective trigger for women. We have an example here in Elliot Rodger. There is absolutely no excuse. He was clearly anti- woman. He clearly felt that women. He felt women owed him something. That he was being denied his due. And the hate that he spewed was specifically targeted at women using sexist, degrading language. And it manifested itself in violence and actual murder. I think there was a familiarity in that language that hit home for a lot of women who live with this implicit threat of danger. Someone said #yesallwomen because I always text my friends after we go out to make sure they got home safely. There is an extra layer of danger that comes with being a woman that this early taps into.
[Baldwin:] I was reading a bunch of different articles, getting different takes on this hash tag. I read this article on Salon.com. Let me quote part of what Katie wrote. She said, Just as we examine our culture of guns, once again, in the wake of yet another mass shooting, we must also examine our culture of misogyny and toxic masculinity, which devalues both women's and men's lives, and work and inflict real and daily harm. We must exam the dangerous values that treat women less than human and make them, according to Elliot Rodger, deserving of death. Rachel, when she talks about this culture, in a sense, I mean, whether you are walking through a grocery store or you flip on the TV or a magazine, are we all contributing to this culture?
[Sklar:] I think that the culture minimizes women who push back and who complain and who call out sexism. There's a sense of just take a joke or, hey, baby it's a compliment, or what's up, Sugar, why don't you give me a little smile. There is a sense that women are on display, that their purpose is gratification, that the most important emotion is that which is experienced by men. Even on this hash tag, initially I tweeted, "It's an important hash tag to read. Don't protest. Just take it in." The push back I got back from men was, oh, we're not allowed to say anything? What about us?
[Baldwin:] Olivia, what has the pushback been from men?
[Nuzzi:] I think a lot of men are failing to understand how we can look at this senseless violence and take from it a broader social issue. I think a lot of men think it's wrong to paint with a broad brush and they don't want to be associated with this lunatic who did this mass killing. But this is a big issue. This boy was a product of this culture. To talk about the culture is not wrong. And I think we do need to talk about it. If we want to know how to end this kind of violence, we need to address the culture that created the violence.
[Baldwin:] Now we're having an actual conversation, which is important. Now we're having a national conversation, Rachel Sklar. Now what?
[Sklar:] We keep having this conversation and I think that making the issues explicit, forcing people to examine their attitudes, all of this is part of moving towards the elimination of rape culture, the recognition of real bias and real sexism that woman experience. And the more this happens, this is one of the conversations that has been about the fact that 98 percent of these mass shootings are perpetrated by young white men.
[Baldwin:] Young men.
[Sklar:] The last time I was on this show with you, we were talking about Mark Cuban's comments about crossing the street when he saw a black kid in a hoodie. We have to move away from that default assumption of danger. The cops that came to interview Elliot Rodger, they said they found a perfectly nice polite boy. Would they have reacted the same way if they had gotten a tip about a black man in a hoodie? We need to redistribute our assumptions.
[Baldwin:] Let's check ourselves. Rachel Sklar and Olivia Nuzzi, thank you both very, very much. Coming up, a lot of people flipping those burgers on this Memorial Day, but with this massive beef recall because of E. coli, you are probably wondering which beef to buy, which not to buy. Not exactly crystal clear. That's the issue. Elizabeth Cohen joins me after the break to explain what we should not be eating.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Any minute now, another prison employee could face a judge for allegedly helping two terrifying killers escape. I'm Jake Tapper. This is THE LEAD. The national lead, a prison guard about to face charges accused of helping two dangerous fugitives who have been on the run for 20 days now. Was there anyone watching what was going on inside those walls, or were these inmates running the asylum? The politics lead now, he wears a black robe, but to many liberals, Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts wears a cape today. How did a man whom Senator Obama voted against for his quote "overarching politics philosophy" end up saving Obamacare from crumbling yet again? Also in politics
[Donald Trump , Presidential Candidate:] Look, I give up a lot. I give up hundreds of millions of dollars in deals.
[Tapper:] Donald Trump going all in on the presidency and saying it's costing him millions. But is he as serious as that scowl suggests? A sneak peek from my one-on-one interview. Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Some breaking news now on our national lead. The multimillion-dollar manhunt in New York for escaped killers Richard Matt and David Sweat is now on day 20. You're looking right now at live pictures from inside the courtroom where the arraignment of prison guard Gene Palmer, who was arrested yesterday for aiding in the escape of the two fugitives, will take place at any moment now. There's also some new information on how the prison was run, a former maintenance supervisor at the prison telling CNN that the Clinton Correctional Facility used inmates to do plumbing and electrical work if the maintenance department was shorthanded, and if corrections officers were understaffed, inmates doing these jobs were not always supervised. As evidence seems to be mounting that there were lapses in security at the prison, investigators from the New York State Inspector General's Office now at the Clinton Correctional Facility scrutinizing security protocols. And while this is happening, the manhunt for the two men continues. We're learning more from an interview Gene Palmer gave state police. CNN national correspondent Alexandra Field is in Owls Head, New York. Alexandra, what can you tell us?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey there, Jake. Gene is filling in some of the details about what happened behind bars, telling police though that he didn't intentionally help the inmates and saying that whatever assistance he gave them, he had no idea that it would make their escape easier.
[Field:] We're learning new details on how David Sweat and Richard Matt were aided in their escape. An official close to the investigation tells CNN Gene Palmer, a prison guard, gave at least one of the inmates a screwdriver and needle-nosed pliers, supposedly to help fix electrical breakers in the catwalk area behind their cells, so they could use hot plates in those cells to cook. The tools were later found at Palmer's home after police executed a search warrant. Palmer gave access and supervised Matt and Sweat while they worked on the breakers, taking the tools back at the end of his shift. These are the same catwalks used during the inmates' elaborate escape 20 days ago.
[Andrew Brockway, Attorney For Gene Palmer:] He's a man of integrity. He's fully cooperated with this investigation. He understands that it's a public emergency. He wants these two to be captured.
[Field:] Palmer also accepted paintings from Matt and Sweat, according to court documents. A search of Palmer's house by investigators showed he tried to destroy the paintings by burning some in a fire pit and burying others in the woods. In an NPR radio interview from 15 years ago, Palmer describes life inside the Clinton Correctional Facility as a negative environment. He went on to say that life as a prison guard is as miserable as the lives of the prisoners themselves.
[Gene Palmer, Prison Guard:] With the money that they pay you, you will go bald, and you will have high pressure, you will become an alcoholic, you will divorce, and then you will kill yourself.
[Field:] Palmer bailed himself out of jail, paying the $25,000 bail with a credit card. Joyce Mitchell, the other prison employee charged in connection with the escape, allegedly put hacksaw blades and drill bits into chunks of hamburger meat. She then asked Palmer to take the meat to the inmates' cell. Palmer did not run the meat through a metal detector, a direct violation of prison policy.
[Brockway:] He was conned by Joyce Mitchell. She duped him. And looking back on that, he can't believe that someone would take advantage of him.
[Field:] As convicted killer Richard Matt turns 49 today, hundreds of law enforcement officers are still searching through dense woods around a hunting cabin the fugitives are believed to have burglarized. Boots and a sock were found inside that cabin.
[Unidentified Male:] There's a sock that's been recovered, as listed as white and red, and the red could obviously be blood. I do know that a DNA profile was from one of the socks.
[Field:] It's been five days since authorities discovered that cabin and the evidence inside. They have had no credible leads on the men's whereabouts since then. So, they have upped the law enforcement presence on the ground. Jake, there are now more than 1,100 law enforcement officers spread out between Franklin County and also Clinton County. They have now received some 2,400 tips.
[Tapper:] And, Alexandra, we're expecting at any moment the second prison employee to face charges. This is prison guard Gene Palmer. We're expecting either him or his lawyer or both to show up in this courtroom that viewers are seeing live on the right side of the screen. What can we expect there? What's going to happen?
[Field:] We expect that he or his lawyer will enter a plea of not guilty. We're really learning a lot more about what Gene Palmer has been able to contribute to this investigation though from that interview with state police, those details just coming in today. He is telling police a little bit more about the culture of the relationship between himself and the two inmates, both Richard Matt and David Sweat. He said that what he was getting included elaborate paintings and also details about the potentially illegal activity of other inmates. And he said that in exchange for that, he was offering assistance, the assistance which he said he didn't anticipate would make an escape any easier. But he said he would provide things like paint, paint brushes, the hamburger meat, which is of course key to this case, and also the access to that electrical box. But, again, he was underscoring the point to investigators that he believed that they needed access to that electrical box in order to repair a breaker, so that they could cook in their cells. We know that cooking was one of the privileges on the honor block, Jake.
[Tapper:] Interesting. Alexandra Field in Owls Head, New York, thank you so much. I'm joined now by Craig Caine. He's a retired U.S. Marshal of the New York and New Jersey Regional Fugitive Task Force. And in Sacramento, we have Robert Ayers. He's a former warden at San Quentin State Prison in California. Welcome to both of you. We will just for our viewers, when the arraignment begins, we will bring that to you live. You can see that on the right side of the screen. But, in the meantime, let's talk about what's going on. Craig, you're an expert obviously on catching fugitives. How likely do you think it is that Matt and Sweat or anyone who makes it three weeks without being caught is getting some sort of help on the outside?
[Craig Caine, Retired U.s. Marshal:] Well, I have been saying this all along, Jake. What's troubling to me right now is the DNA evidence that they found in the cabin. Law enforcement got that tip, I believe it was Saturday morning sometime. By the time they arrived and set up a perimeter, so to speak, a couple hours could have passed. But what I haven't heard is that canine did not pick up any scent. Now, I'm not privy to every bit of information that's going on up there. So, if this was an elaborate conspiracy and there are other staff members involved or outside people, could that have been a ploy, a ruse? Could one of their cohorts have brought dirty underwear and a sock and a peanut butter jar and left it in the cabin and somebody says, oh, yes, I seen somebody running from there, when, in fact, they were never even there and they're somewhere in Idaho right now?
[Tapper:] Interesting. Robert, the investigation is uncovering obviously some major lapses from inside the prison, prisoner-employee sex, smuggling of power tools, what seem like very lax rules when it comes to prisoner movement. As a former prison warden, have you ever seen anything like this?
[Robert Ayers, Former Prison Warden:] I don't know that I have seen it to this extent. And I think I the first thing I want to say is that the vast majority of people who work in our prisons are hardworking, honest, dedicated people. And it's most of them, as well as the prison administrators are always on guard and concerned about the occasional employee who crosses the line. I think this is just a stark example of the worst or what can happen when employees do cross the line. I also think it points to the fact that you can build the most secure facility on earth. I was also the warden at Pelican Bay, and which is a supermax prison and we always have to keep in mind that it's the employees that are the strongest factor in prison security, but they can also be the weakest link.
[Tapper:] Indeed. Craig, you seem to sound a little skeptical of the hunt going on right now. Is there anything specifically that you think law enforcement should be doing that they're not or things that they could be doing better?
[Caine:] No, not at all, Jake. They're experts at what they're doing out there. The public has to understand that, you know, we're not magicians out there. We don't have a magic wand we can wave, that this ain't like TV or a motion picture. This is real life, people spending a lot of hours combing through woods, dense terrain, bugs, what have you, that they have to exhaust every lead, and they have to feel comfortable that they searched that so-called perimeter to the extent where they have to scale back at some point in time. But that's only when they exhaust every possible lead.
[Tapper:] Robert, if the prison suspected a close relationship between Joyce Mitchell and one or more prisoners, why was she still working there? Wouldn't that be enough to dismiss her?
[Ayers:] Well, that's actually a fairly can be a fairly complicated situation. But, normally, when we have an employee that we suspect is involved with an inmate, the first thing you would want to do is take the inmate or inmates and get them out of the situation. And normally what in our state, we would lock them up in administrative segregation, pending that investigation, and then you can re we would reassign the employee usually to an area that doesn't have inmate contact.
[Tapper:] All right, Craig Caine and Robert Ayers, if you would please stand by, stay with us. We're going to take a very quick break when we come back, more on the manhunt and, of course, much other news, including a major victory for President Obama when it comes to his signature health care law. Stay with us. We will be right back.

[Cuomo:] Big news: Republican Senator Cruz out of Texas, you know his name. Now, you know what you know? He's the first man named running for president. Question is, how's he's going to stack up against the other potential candidates on that side? Shall we discuss?
[Camerota:] Let's do that.
[Cuomo:] I want to it March Madness-style.
[Camerota:] Let's bring in our guests. Here to help us are Republican strategist Ana Navarro, and Democratic strategist, Richard Socarides. Great to see you both of you.
[Richard Socarides, Democratic Strategist:] We're excited. The race is beginning
[Camerota:] Yes, gentlemen, start your engine.
[Socarides:] with an all excellent candidate. All Democrats want everybody on the Republican side to be for Ted Cruz, so he gets the nomination, so Hillary can run against Ted Cruz.
[Camerota:] I'm sensing sarcasm, Ana. How do you feel about Ted being the first one Ted Cruz being the first one in and the timing of this?
[Ana Navarro, Republican Strategist:] I think it's very smart of him. Part of it might be a little bit of trolling with Rand Paul. You know, Rand Paul, who is also expected to announce, has said he will announce April 7th and he was letting the date be out there so other people wouldn't announce on the same date. I think Ted Cruz became the first. He's dominated the media cycle since yesterday and has us all watching and I think he's the guy that gets the engine started. And, you know, people lining up at the gate. It's a fun time for political junkies.
[Cuomo:] Now, that's the key, for political junkies. Sometimes people say here comes a little bit of the hype-pocracy for politics. It's too early. And you know what they could point to, Ted Cruz is the first one in. But he is not doing well in the polls, Mr. Socarides, which is you want him to run against Hillary Clinton if she is your nominee. He's like 4 percent on most polls. He's behind Dr. Ben Carson. OK, we had him on NEW DAY. And the big two governors who may enter the race, Jeb Bush and Scott Walker out of Wisconsin.
[Socarides:] But, you know, he's a very smart guy, Princeton University, Harvard Law School, top of his class. He-shouldn't be underestimated from the extreme right for sure. He's kind of, you know, from the obstructionist wing of the Republican Party, who says he believes that he'd rather shut down the government than compromise. So, it's hard to believe that he will get a lot of mainstream traction, but there is a big faction within the Republican Party who he I think will appeal to.
[Camerota:] Ana, let's look at Ted Cruz March Madness-style, OK? We're bracket crazy. We've set up a bracket.
[Navarro:] Oh, God, Alisyn, just because listen, just because you're number one on the bracket, don't torture me.
[Camerota:] Exactly. I have been knocked down to number three. OK. Let's do a head to head matchup between him and Senator Rand Paul. What are the big distinctions between these two, Ana?
[Cuomo:] Who wins?
[Navarro:] Libertarian versus social conservative, I give it to Rand Paul because he takes the libertarian space all by himself, whereas the social conservative space is going to have a lot of competition, Ben Carson who just mentioned, maybe Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum. There's going to be a lot of social conservative fighting for that vote.
[Cuomo:] Don't jump on Ana's bracket. I'll give you your own.
[Socarides:] OK.
[Cuomo:] Marco Rubio down in Florida.
[Socarides:] She loves Marco.
[Cuomo:] Marco Rubio, what did you say, Ana?
[Navarro:] I said, for me, bracketing is a verb. It's what you do in politics, bracket and announce on one side or the other.
[Cuomo:] All right. I like that. That's a fair point. So, what do you think, Socarides? You got Senator Ted Cruz against Marco Rubio, both young guns, both have been pushing abstinence of this current administration. What do you think? Who wins this matchup?
[Socarides:] Well, Marco Rubio is a very attracted candidate for the Republicans. I think he would get a lot more attention if Jeb Bush were not in the race. I mean, he is I would think he will say I am a conservative but I'm not an obstructionist, like Ted Cruz, I can work with other people. Marco Rubio is very much in Jeb Bush's kind of style of politics. It's hard to imagine there's both of them in this race. So, the big challenge for Rubio is going to be Jeb Bush, not Cruz.
[Camerota:] OK, let's look at our
[Cuomo:] Have to grab him by the nose.
[Camerota:] Oh, by the nose I like that. OK. Ana, let's talk about Senator Cruz versus Governor Scott Walker. What do you think?
[Navarro:] Well, I think you've got a first term rookie senator. That's going to be a challenge for Rand Paul, for Marco Rubio and for Ted Cruz because they're going to be fighting the shadow of President Obama who came into power from that, from being a first term rookie. For Senator Cruz it's easier, because he's got no skin in the game, in the sense that both Senator Paul and senator Rubio are up for election in 2016. Senator Cruz is not. I'm beginning to think Mitch McConnell is going to have to show up in Iowa or New Hampshire to get a quorum in the Senate. So, you know, Scott Walker is a governor with executive experience but little foreign policy know how, it seems. Ted Cruz has been in the Senate. He has been exposed to foreign policy. He doesn't have the executive experience.
[Camerota:] OK.
[Navarro:] I will say this Ted Cruz, with whom I don't really agree on a lot of things, has stayed consistent on his positions. Scott Walker is facing questions about whether he's changing positions now that he's running for president.
[Cuomo:] All right. Now, it's big one and we're going to have you both of you weigh on this one, because, Ana, obviously knows Jeb Bush very well. So, here it is, Senator Ted Cruz against former government Jeb Bush. Now, Socarides, one of the interesting things about this coming into it, is that Ted Cruz would say Jeb Bush is everything that's wrong with the Republican Party. This is probably the most polar opposite situation. What are the merits?
[Socarides:] Well, I think on the merits, Jeb Bush has experience as an executive in a state. I'm not making a case for him. I think he would say, I am very conservative like Ted Cruz but I'm not an obstructionist and can work with others. That will be his appeal. He will appeal to the more center-right Republicans. Obviously, he's got a big financial advantage, he has the name. This will be a very interesting race. I mean, you see here taking shape the battle for the future of the Republican Party.
[Camerota:] Ana, your thoughts?
[Navarro:] Well, for starters, Jeb Bush speaks Spanish, Ted Cruz doesn't.
[Cuomo:] Oh, that's a low blow, Ana. That's a low blow.
[Navarro:] By the way, his name is a Rafael Cruz, which he is going to be the first Cuban-American to ever announce for president. He is of Cuban descent. His father was a Cuban who exiled from Cuba before Fidel Castro came out. Look, Jeb Bush probably has more appeal. You could probably argue Jeb Bush is more electable in a general election. Ted Cruz has a lot of appeal with the Republican base, which is one of the things a problem for Jeb Bush. So, they appeal to dramatically different audiences.
[Camerota:] Got it. All right. Ana, Richard, thank you.
[Socarides:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] Fun to do the brackets with you. Michaela?
[Pereira:] I like the way you did that. All right. Up ahead here: Robert Durst is due in a Louisiana courtroom in just a few hours time. We're going to take a look why Durst's lawyer says his arrest for murder and gun charges aren't legal.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] We begin actually with two separate stories on computer hacking. A sobering reminder that any of us can be a victim at any time. Take for example the case of Cassidy Wolf, Ms. Teen USA. A hacker took control of her computer and snapped photos of her in the nude in the privacy of her own bedroom. More than 100 people are now under arrest for allegedly using that same malware to hijack personal computers without the person's knowledge around the world. We'll have more on the FBI's global crackdown on that in just a minute. But first, Attorney General Eric Holder is about to hold a news conference and he's expected to announce a milestone in cyberspying. The U.S. files its first ever charges against officials in Chinese government for hacking into American companies. Five military officers in China are accused of hacking into those companies to steal trade secrets. The targets included American trade unions and steel companies. The U.S. believes China's cyberspying is both widespread and worrisome. CNN's Jim Sciutto dealt exclusively with this issue during his years in Beijing. He was chief of staff to the U.S. ambassador there at that time. So tell us more about this cyberhacking Jim.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Carol, this is a huge deal. First thing to start with, it's a major problem for American companies. Estimated that they lose $100 billion a year from hacking, stolen trade secrets, et cetera, that cost half a million jobs a year. This is a real problem. It's not a small one. The second thing is that it's not misbehavior by Chinese companies. It's a view of the U.S. government that this is Chinese government policy. This happens with the express approval and direction of the most senior leaders in China and what you have here today is proof in effect so say American prosecutors that that's the case. They're going after five members of the People's Liberation Army in this building in Shanghai secretive building exposed last year where investigators have traced a good portion of these cyberattacks. In effect from the view of the Department of Justice, this is the smoking gun they hoped to get out there to say this goes right to the Chinese government, right to the highest levels of government and it reaches average Americans in lost money for U.S. businesses and lost jobs.
[Costello:] But the people the U.S. government is charging are in China so, I mean, how can they really punish them?
[Sciutto:] Well, that's a good question. This is less about putting these guys in jail and showing evidence that this goes right to the Beijing government and in effect publicly calling the Chinese government out for this. The first time the president did this was last year. He met with the Chinese president in the sunny lands summit, they met there. Not official visit. Relaxed. This is when the U.S. government was going to hit China hard on this hacking and call them out for it. Bad timing because the very same week, Edward Snowden, releases his revelations about NSA spying and that undermine the U.S. argument. U.S. government officials will say the NSA does this for national security and not for corporate secrets and there's evidence of that. But of course the timing undermine the U.S. arguments. A year later you have another hit back from the USA saying we know you're doing this. We'll go public with it. We won't let this happen to U.S. businesses. That's really the intention. We'll see if it makes a difference.
[Costello:] Stay right there. Eric Holder has not yet began speaking, when he begins speaking, of course, we'll take those comments for our viewers live and I want you on the other side to help us understand. Thanks so much. Another major hacking case you saw here first here on CNN, the FBI swooped in and arrested more than 100 people in a worldwide sting. They're accused of hijacking victims' home computers and then using those home computers to snap pictures of them. You may remember the story of Cassidy Wolf, Ms. Teen USA. A hacker got control of her webcam in her bedroom and snapped nude photos of her. She had absolutely no idea and then these hackers threatened to put these photos online.
[Cassidy Wolf, Miss Teen Usa:] I don't know how I was hacked exactly. A malware was attached on my computer and was tracing what I was doing on my computer and watching my every move through a my webcam and of course, this is obviously going to change the way I use my computer for the rest of my life.
[Costello:] Everybody else too, right. CNN Justice Reporter, Evan Perez, is following this developing story. Who's responsible for this?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Reporter:] The FBI and police in 17 countries say that there's basically a cybercrime ring that's been responsible for this software called black shades. A software that was used to hack into Cassidy Wolf's computer and they've been working on this case for a couple years. As you said, they've done over 100 arrests and they've done hundreds of interviews and searches in the last few days in Europe, in Canada, and in the U.S. And we expect to hear more about this later this morning.
[Costello:] Where did they get this device that they can install on person's home computer? Is it easy to get?
[Perez:] Well, yes. It's really easy to get. You can go on a web site and download it and buy it for 40 or 50 bucks. This has been a huge problem. It's a booming business because basically it's off the shelf software like the software you buy to do your taxes. Same thing. You basically just have employees who can help you figure it out if you have any problems. We're told by law enforcement this is really easy to use and not very sophisticated and once it is in your computer, it can keep track of passwords and get passwords for your bank accounts and used for everything from bank fraud to extortion Carol.
[Costello:] So hopefully they'll figure out a way to remove it from the internet so people can't buy it any longer. That would be a good thing, right?
[Perez:] Yes. Absolutely.
[Costello:] Evan Perez, thanks so much. I know you'll have more information for us later. There's a scary new development as a deadly respiratory virus sickens another person in the United States already worldwide close to 600 cases of MERS have been reported. This virus which comes from the common cold family has killed already 171 people. Now for the first time in the United States, a man got Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome from casual contact here in this country. He did not travel to the Middle East. An Illinois man tested positive following s couple of business meetings with a man from Indiana. That Indiana man got sick just days later. Dr. William Schaffner is past president of the National Foundation For Infectious Diseases and joins us for more insight this morning. Good morning, Doctor.
[Dr. William Schaffner, Past President, National Foundation For Infectious Diseases:] Hello, Carol. Good morning.
[Costello:] Glad to have you back. I know you said we should not be freaked out by this, but this latest case involved a handshake and one man shook hands with someone who had MERS and contracted this disease. That's scary.
[Schaffner:] I hope it's not too scary because sustained so-called casual or community transmission is not a feature of this virus yet. Yes, there was a handshake, but there were also two 45-minute meetings in which this person was within six feet of the other person. It probably was respiratory spread. The MERS patient breathed out the virus and the other person breathed it in. This is still not happening commonly either in the Middle East or here and so far public health is tracking this very, very carefully. It's contained. It's not spreading like influenza.
[Costello:] Well, the other curious thing is one man got really sick and the other man, he just felt mildly uncomfortable. So why do some people get full-blown MERS and others suffer mild symptoms?
[Schaffner:] Infectious diseases have done that. Perhaps the milder person got a lower dose. Also, perhaps the more sick person had underlying illnesses, diabetes, underlying heart disease or lung disease. Certainly in the Middle East, people with those underlying illnesses and if you are older, those are the people who get the more severe illnesses.
[Costello:] OK, so here's the thing I find most scary. Sometimes the symptoms are so mild many people don't even know they have MERS. That's problematic, isn't it?
[Schaffner:] It is problematic in that sense, but we don't see that happening very frequently yet. That's why the studies are being done. So we all need to stay tuned as the CDC does its good work and let us know what the issues are. So far, it is not spreading widely or wildly.
[Costello:] OK, I feel better now. You have a great bedside manner, Dr. William Schaffner. Thank you very much.
[Schaffner:] Glad to help, Carol.
[Costello:] Thank you. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, what do the words death trap, Titanic and apocalyptic have in common? Why the auto giant is sending out strange new guidance.

[Lemon:] He survived the war in the pacific, taking a bullet to the leg during the battle of Okinawa, but now this World War II veteran has become the victim of a heinous crime. Delbert Belton was beaten and left for dead by two teens outside a lounge in Spokane, Washington, Wednesday, a place he loved to go and play pool. Police found him in the parking lot. He later died at the hospital. Cause of death? Blunt trauma to the head. Friends from the pool hall held a vigil last night in his honor. Still shocked by what happened.
[Unidentified Man:] Because that's senseless, man, beating an old man, what kind of person does that? With a excuse the expression, a wimp.
[Lemon:] Yes, there are more words for people who would do that. One juvenile has now been arrested and charged with robbery and murder. A second is still on the run. Police say the teens appeared to have picked Belton at random. I want to bring in now psychologist Wendy Walsh and criminal defense Attorney Holly Hughes. I think both of you will agree, this is a disgusting crime. Both suspects have been arrested and convicted in the past according to the police chief. What do you make of this? First to you, Holly.
[Holly Hughes, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Well, Don, this is just another one of those random, violent acts that we see our young people engaging in, and it reminds me you were just reporting on Reverend Al Sharpton's speech and how he's encouraging young people, that the thug life, it's not cool to be in a gang, it's not cool to be a thug. And Don, that's not just one community, that's all the youth, all of our communities.
[Lemon:] All communities. Thank you.
[Hughes:] Every race, every religion. We need to tell our young people it is not cool to go out and commit these type of crimes, because these young men will now be charged as adults and they will be doing hard prison time, Don...
[Lemon:] Right.
[Hughes:] ... and I don't think there's anything cool about that.
[Lemon:] Yes. Instead of people thinking they're living some of the songs that they're hearing
[Hughes:] Right.
[Lemon:] Yes. You'll be living it in jail. Wendy, you know I've been talking about this in my no talking points, making the same points. Who's to blame here? Obviously the teens are responsible. But is it the parents? The schools? The society? What's going on?
[Wendy Walsh, Human Behavior Expert:] You know, in the next hour, Don, we are going to be talking much more in-depth about all the factors that contribute to teen violence. But I think the lack of a caring adult in the home, these guys are waiting until a judge keeps them in line, and you know
[Lemon:] Wait, wait, can you say that again? Can you please say that again?
[Walsh:] A lack of a caring adult in the home, particularly male. You know, I've said this over and over, that 14 million single mothers are raising one in four American children. And, you know, it's not alimony that we need, folks, it's a guy butting horns with that young buck, keeping him in line. And I think that you don't want to wait until a judge parents your kids.
[Lemon:] Thank you very much. Good points. Let's switch gears a bit here and turn to the case of Christopher Lane, the Australian exchange student who was shot in the back while jogging along a road in Duncan, Oklahoma, last week. Three teens have been charged in his death. And last night, the D.A. handling the case spoke to CNN about what role race played in the killing. Listen.
[Jason Hicks, Prosecutor:] I don't believe that this is a racial crime at all. I have nothing in any of my files, any of the paperwork, any of the audio recordings that we have that would suggest that Christopher Lane was killed either because of his race or his nationality. I tend to think that the police chief's comments that they did this out of boredom are probably accurate. With respect to the race issue, again, we don't have anything that's going to lead us to believe that this was a racially motivated crime.
[Lemon:] Holly, do you agree with the D.A. there that this should not be prosecuted as a hate crime?
[Holly Hughes, Criminal Defense Attorney & Former Prosecutor:] I do agree with that, Don. Hate crimes and I've read Oklahoma's Hate Crime Statute they do have a category for national origin and ancestry and race, but what you need to determine when you charge a hate crime is what is the mind of the defendant, and there's no indication that these suspects even knew Christopher Lane. So they didn't know he was Australian. They didn't know where he was from. They
[Lemon:] Holly, can I jump in here, though?
[Hughes:] Absolutely.
[Lemon:] Can I ask you this?
[Hughes:] Yes.
[Lemon:] They can see with their own eyes that eyes he's white.
[Hughes:] Right.
[Lemon:] If you look at their social media writings, they said on social media that and I'm paraphrasing here that most white people are bad, and there were some other indications that things that they talked about white people on their social media sites. That's not going to be you say taking into account their state of mind, that's not going to be taken into account?
[Hughes:] Well, it could be taken into account, but what you need to prove to a jury remember, just because it's not charged as a race hate crime doesn't mean they're not going to be charged with first- degree murder. They will absolutely be charged as adults with murder. When you get into the motivation, just because these young men don't like white people doesn't mean that they committed a murder because of that dislike. They may have very good legitimate reasons. Maybe they have been treated terribly by white people. When you get into the mind of a defendant, when you charge a hate crime, you have to show a huge pattern, not just speech. But are they part of a group? Do they subscribe to racist literature? All of that.
[Lemon:] OK.
[Hughes:] Do they subscribe to racist literature, all of that.
[Lemon:] I get you. I want to get Wendy in. Wendy, do you think this is another case of bad choices made by young people? Do you think there was race? Do you disagree with the district attorney?
[Walsh:] I do agree with the district attorney. I don't think there's race here. I don't know if you noticed, Don, one of the shooters is white. And I want to caution all of us old folk here to be very careful about looking through a lens of an over-40 person when you are talking about teenagers. This new generation of teenagers is less concerned about race. They have enough other problems with this generation, and there are cohorts within races and between races.
[Lemon:] And one of the suspects there is white, but the shooter is the African-American young man. Accused shooter, I should say that. Thank you, Wendy. I'll see you both soon. I appreciate it, Wendy and Holly. For weeks, there's been a battle on Twitter and on the blogs between myself and hip-hop mogul, Russell Simmons, and the battle has been over race and my controversial advice to the black community. I've invited Russell Simmons to the program several times and he finally said yes to my interview. Our emotional conversation, next.

[Baldwin:] Talk about landing the big one. It astounded this Marine. Jeff Fangman caught a great white shark, taking nearly a half hour, wrestled the thing ashore. Now we have video proof, though his wife apparently wanted to keep her distance, and I don't blame her.
[Unidentified Male:] Got it?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes. Oh, my god! Look at it. Whoa! Oh! Oh, my god!
[Baldwin:] No, thank you. By the way, it's illegal to catch a great white, so this guy, after toying with its fangs, quick set it free. And now this, hidden underneath Yellowstone National Park, right, now, is something that has shocked scientists. These are just super cool pictures, this super-volcano with a cavern of magma far bigger than anyone had predicted, in fact, so big that scientists say an eruption would be catastrophic. So, Chad Myers, we talk to you, of course, about super-volcanoes. They knew it was there, but can you explain how the hot springs, the geysers, the study has just discovered the actual size. How big is this thing?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] We have always known it was a caldera. We always knew it was super-volcano under a weak spot, a thin spot in the crust where the magma is close to the surface, between maybe a mile and 10 miles, depending on the point of view there. We always knew it was there. But up here in the northwest part of Wyoming, we now believe it's 1,000-square miles, 50 miles one way by 20 miles the other way, and a magma chamber below the surface of 100-cubic miles of molten rock. And you ask, how do we do this? How do we know? The scientists at the University of Utah have been watching earthquakes around the area, and they know that the seismic wave will go through a molten rock slower than a solid rock. So if you look at these signals the way they look at these signals, and they know that below this magma chamber, below this caldera right here, there's molten lava down here. Now, this thing erupts about once every 700,000 to 800,000 years. The last time it erupted was 640,000 years ago, plus or minus a couple of decades.
[Baldwin:] Huh-oh.
[Myers:] So I think we're OK.
[Baldwin:] You think?
[Myers:] We're about another 160,000 miles unless stem cells can keep me alive for 100,000 years, I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think we're going to see this thing erupt, but it's always possible. Mother Mature does what it wants, you know?
[Baldwin:] I know. She sure does. Cool pictures, though. Thank you for the explanation, as always
[Myers:] You're welcome.
[Baldwin:] our resident scientist here on CNN. Quickly, you need some cash for your holiday shopping? You might want to pick up a Mega Millions lottery ticket. Last night, no one drew the winning numbers to the top prize. So, now, of course, the jackpot has further soared. The prize is now worth about $400 million, or do the math, we're talking a little more than $200 million before taxes, if you so choose that lump sum. Lottery officials say this is the second-largest Mega Million jackpot ever. The next drawing is this Friday. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me. I'm back on tonight, CNN at 11:30 Eastern, 8:30 Pacific, with "In Case You Missed It." Now, "THE LEAD" with Jake Tapper begins now.

[Malveaux:] A little bit of inside information. Prince William apparently had a nickname for Kate Middleton while they were dating. He called her babykins. That's right. How do we know this? Well, this is because a tabloid newspaper allegedly hacked into Middleton's voicemail.
[Holmes:] And a lot of other people's, too. Now, when it comes to royals the nickname and other private information all came out in court today because the tabloid "News of the World" newspaper well, it's out of business now but its editors, at the time, are now on trial accused of breaking the law to get their scoops. CNN's Erin McLaughlin following the story from London. More salacious stuff, but it's a very serious story and a very serious court case. What else did prosecutors say about these messages?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Michael. This is really the first time we're hearing details, actual transcripts into allegations the duchess of Cambridge, then Kate Middleton, phone had been hacked by the now defunct publication the "News of the World". In open court today, the prosecutor reading some of the transcripts from voicemails they say was obtained by police during the course of this investigation. One of the incidents one of the voicemails, rather, dates all the way back to 2006 when Prince William was undergoing military exercises at Sandhurst, left a voicemail, the prosecution says for Kate Middleton in which he describes nearly being shot by blank rounds. Let me read you the transcript that was read in open court in London today. He left a message saying, "Hi, baby. Sorry, I've just got back in off my night navigation exercise." He goes on to say, "I had a busy day today. Again, I've been running around the woods of Aldershot chasing shadows and getting horribly lost, and I walked into some other regiment's ambush, which was slightly embarrassing because I nearly got shot, not by live rounds, but by blank rounds, which would have been very embarrassing, though." Very embarrassing now for Prince William to have this intimate phone message read out in open court. The prosecution later added that a similar news story appeared in an edition of "News of the World" in which Prince William is actually shot by blank rounds during a military exercise. Prosecution arguing that this shows that the "News of the World" at the time was using these kinds of voicemails to inform its news stories. It's the latest revelation of an ongoing trial of two "News of the World" editors, Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, and five former "News of the World" employees. They're charged with conspiracy to intercept voicemail messages between the years of 2000 and 2006, charges that the defendants deny. Michael and Suzanne?
[Holmes:] All right, Erin, thanks so much. Erin McLaughlin there outside court, been covering that all day.
[Malveaux:] Can you imagine? Embarrassing, indeed
[Holmes:] Yeah.
[Malveaux:] you know, it all comes now.
[Holmes:] It involved dozens of people, too, they were hacking into. The widespread collection, as we say, of these phone and e-mail records by the NSA, though, they need more judicial oversight, public transparency. They're just two of the some 40 recommendations in a new report about the agency's surveillance of electronic communications.
[Malveaux:] And this is a review ordered by President Obama in the wake of the stunning revelations by, of course, NSA leader Edward Snowden. Well, after the report was released, one prominent Democrat said it showed the NSA had overstepped its bounds.
[Sen. Patrick Leahy, -vermont:] The message is very clear, the message to the NSA is now coming from every branch of government, from every corner of our nation. NSA, you've gone too far.
[Malveaux:] And Wolf Blitzer joining us from Washington. So Wolf, give us a sense here of President Obama. He began the administration promising less secrecy, more transparency. How willing do you think the White House is going to be willing to adopt some of these recommendations? And how is the intelligence community also reacting to these reforms?
[Wolf Blitzer, Host, Situation Room:] I think it will adopt some of those, maybe even most of those, 46 recommendations. Some he clearly won't adopt, one already trying to split off the head of the cyber command from the NSA, make sure there are two people instead of one person in charge of both. That apparently the White House has already rejected. But I think a lot of these 46 recommendations he'll accept. He's taking all of these recommendations, all of the background reports, the information on vacation with him to Hawaii. They're leaving this week. Among those recommendations, greater judicial oversight, more public transparency, same privacy for U.S. citizens and foreigners who are in the United States urging government support for encryption standards and tightening the protection of classified information. Some of these certainly will go along; with others, he probably won't go along with because of there's strong resistance inside the intelligence community. They think the U.S. needs to do a lot of this to prevent another 911. So there's going to be a debate. There's going to be resistance. The president will presumably be delivering a major speech in January on what he has accepted, what he hasn't accepted, although he's going to have to show transparency given the uproar that has developed.
[Holmes:] Wolf, I suppose of course, it impacts people all around the world who were being, sort of eyes kept on them by the NSA. Is there a sense there in Washington that the NSA overreached I don't know if the word rogue, going rogue, would apply but that they overreached or that this was business as usual and got caught out by leaks?
[Blitzer:] Well, after 911 the business as usual changed11. So there are critics. You heard Patrick Leahy, the Democratic senator from Vermont, making his point that the NSA has gone way too far. On the Republican side, I spoke with Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky yesterday, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, the Homeland Security Committee. He goes one step further. He says not only did the NSA overreach, but the head of national intelligence, James Clapper, he should possibly even be criminally prosecuted for he says, lying to Congress. Listen to this.
[Sen. Rand Paul - Kentucky:] I do think what our government is doing is unconstitutional, and I really think that in order to restore confidence in our intelligence community, I think James Clapper should resign.
[Blitzer:] And when I pressed him who did more damage to the U.S. national security, Suzanne and Michael, would it be James Clapper or would it be Edward Snowden, he says both of them did some damage; both of them broke the law. He was almost equating the two of them, which was pretty stunning, if you want to take a look back and see how so many of the others have reacted in defense of this program.
[Malveurax:] Absolutely. All right, Wolf, thank you so much. Appreciate it, as always. A British soldier hacked to death in the streets near his London barracks, well, he was killed in May. And today the two men charged with his murder, they learned their fate. The jury's verdict up next.

[Michael Holmes, Cnn Co-anchor:] Welcome back, everyone, to AROUND THE WORLD. The Obama administration pushing hard to get Congress backing for that military action in Syria.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Co-anchor:] Many senators, however, and representatives from both parties, they are not yet convinced. And one Republican, Susan Collins of Maine, had this to say earlier.
[Senator Susan Collins , Maine:] I have not yet reached the conclusion on how I will vote. These briefings have been helpful, but I still have many questions about the wisdom of the president's action.
[Holmes:] Now this is a question we've been asking every day since U.S. officials claim to have evidence, irrefutable evidence, that the chemical weapons were used by the Assad regime against civilians in Syria. That question, of course, is when do we get to see that evidence, you?
[Malveaux:] And we've heard the president talk about this. He uses words like "high confidence." We've heard Secretary of State John Kerry say he has seen proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I want you to listen to this. This is former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on CNN this morning. He had his own problems, as we know, when it comes to intelligence versus facts before the invaded, of course, Iraq.
[Donald Rumsfeld, Former Defense Secretary:] If intelligence were a fact, it would be called a fact and not intelligence. And I think when Colin Powell went before the United Nations with George Tenet, the director of intelligence, talked about the intelligence they had, and in great detail, and then it turned out that stockpiles were not found, that people were cautious and began to recognize that intelligence is intelligence and not necessarily a fact. But I don't think that's what's going on here.
[Holmes:] Now let's get somebody in here now to help break this down. Hillary Mann Leveret, the Middle East expert, also former staffer in both the Clinton and Bush administrations. Rumsfeld's words reminds us that we do need to see this evidence, don't they? I imagine that a lot of it is they ought to be revealing how they got the evidence, but if you're going to have military action, isn't it something not just we but the United Nations and Russia for that matter should see?
[Professor Hillary Mann Leverett, American University:] Yes. And former Secretary Rumsfeld is correct in alluding to the presentation that Secretary of State, then Secretary of State Powell made to the U.N. Powell showed the world the satellite pictures. He showed the he played for the world the intercepts, the audio of the Iraqis. But it all turned out to be wrong. And, in fact, we interrogated, the U.S. Army interrogated those Iraqis that we had caught on the intercepts after we invaded Iraq and found out that much of that so-called intelligence wasn't just mistaken, it was manufactured. It was made up. And the Iraqis that we interrogated on those intercepts told us, they're now in documentary films, saying they can't believe how distorted their comments were, how much they were taken out of context. It is eerily similar to what we're being shown or not shown even on Syria. It is astonishing in some ways that Secretary Kerry is showing us much less than Secretary Powell did and asking us just to take his word for it because he says it is irrefutable when, in fact, there are a lot of indicia that should make anybody question this.
[Malveaux:] So
[Mann Leverett:] There was an alleged attack back in March when Russians, who are on the ground, did their own analysis, an 88-page analysis from that attack in March and they gave it to the U.N. Secretary General. They found two very important things. One was that the Sarin gas or the gas used in March was probably not military or industrial, but probably homemade. They also found that the delivery devices, the rockets for that gas used in March were also not military and industrial and probably homemade. The consequence of that, if that is true, and if that was true in this attack, that means that maybe it wasn't the Assad government. Maybe it was either a rogue group within the Syrian military or even the rebels themselves, rebels openly aligned with al Qaeda. I'm sorry, but this is critically important. A lot of these groups are openly aligned with al Qaeda and, if they, in fact, are responsible for gassing hundreds or thousands of people, the idea that they're going to stop in Syria is the definition of insanity.
[Malveaux:] So, Professor, if I can, when you listen to the former secretary, Rumsfeld, it is maddening to hear the parsing of the language here when it comes to intelligence, facts and evidence. Most Americans just to want get to the bottom line. What do they have? What do they know? What do you need to know? What kind of evidence would you ask of Secretary Kerry, of this administration, if the president goes before the American people and says this is what I know? What do you need as proof if in fact that it was Assad who was responsible, the regime itself, responsible for the chemical attacks?
[Mann Leverett:] I love my country. I love the United States. I never would have thought that the former president, George Bush, and his administration would have lied to me and to the American people, but that's what happened. So this time around, there is a U.N. investigation. Investigators from the United Nations have gone in on the ground. They're now they've taken samples, they've done an analysis and they're now trying to put it all together and compile a report. It may take two weeks, but President Obama assured us we don't need to act right away. We can wait a few weeks. We can even wait a month. Why not wait for an impartial U.N. investigation? It is very strange that this administration has, from the beginning, been trying to dismiss and undermine the U.N. administration just like the Bush administration did for the U.N. inspectors in Iraq. Let them do their work, let them present it, and if they come up with conclusive evidence, then we can go from there, We can have a much more rational debate with probably more allies with us than this go- it-alone approach that Obama has adopted.
[Holmes:] All right. We'll have to leave it there. Interesting that point of view, too, and good to have you on, Professor Hillary Mann Leverett, the Middle East expert and former staffer on the Bush and Clinton administrations. Thanks so much.
[Malveaux:] One other important thing she says, the U.N. report is not going to actually determine who is responsible for the chemical attack. They're only going to determine whether or not that actually happened. It is going to be up to on the onus of the Obama administration and the intelligence they have to make that link and to make that case.
[Holmes:] And often the delivery systems and the types of munitions used to deliver it might give a clue as to who did it. And the great fear of a lot of people is, as it is being quoted, the U.S. doesn't wind up being al Qaeda's air force, going in and helping the enemies of our enemies, if you like. So, yeah, it's a very complex situation.
[Malveaux:] And, of course, there is going to be a lot of movement on Syria over the next week as well. There is a bill authorizing a limited military strike that heads to the full Senate after clearing the Senate foreign relations committee yesterday. Now the president is expected to lobby for that when he returns from the G-20 summit in Russia. He is actually coming back tomorrow.
[Holmes:] Yeah, now when Congress finishes its summer recess on Monday, check the calendar there, both the House and the Senate are expected to debate and vote on the measure. Also next week that Russian delegation we reported on here on AROUND THE WORLD, they're going to be coming to Capitol Hill to lobby against a strike.
[Malveaux:] And the U.N. report on Syria's suspected chemical weapons attack, that, too, also expected to be released soon. Now, this is a place that people say is so dangerous, people cannot stay during the night. We're talking about the 12-mile zone around Japan's crippled nuclear plant. We're actually going to take you inside.

[Cuomo:] I like the Steve Miller version of this song.
[Bolduan:] Do you?
[Cuomo:] Yes, it's just me. Yes, it's just me.
[Bolduan:] I'll take
[Cuomo:] So everybody's coming back off Thanksgiving. Indra Petersons, you think she's going to make people feel good, you know, coming back. What's the first thing she says
[Bolduan:] So thankful for you.
[Cuomo:] Freezing you out. That's the message.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] I'm saying I did make people feel good. At least they got home safely, right? See. Nice and mild conditions compared to what they had going on the way out, right? Now take a look at the big storm though. Yes, there is a change. This is what Chris is talking about. Big storm in the Pacific Northwest will be changing a lot. But first let's talk about what's going on in the southeast. Yes, just a tiny little wave. It just means some cloudier conditions and, of course, maybe some light rain. But it's the temperatures you want to focus on. I mean look at this. It's beautiful. We're talking about 77 degrees in New Orleans by Wednesday. Look at Dallas, Tuesday, 78 degrees. So that system that is there is currently going to be trying to make its way up the east coast. Notice it stays offshore. So we're not looking for any rain into the northeast, but just some milder conditions. You know nothing that nice, but either way, typical for this time of year. We'll see very seasonal temperatures in the 40s and 50s. Again, we'll take you out to the west. That's the big story here. We're talking about one to two feet of snow Idaho, Montana, Wyoming. Wow, has the pattern changed. Even through Colorado, by tomorrow, we'll be talking about snow. If there's snow, we are talking about the cold. Here we go. Look at these temperatures starting to drop today. Yes, just kind of maybe the same region here. But as we move through the middle of the week, you're going to feel this change by tomorrow, Denver, 34 degrees below normal. And that trend continues eventually by the weekend, guys. Look at that cool air expected to come here. A chill coming our way.
[Bolduan:] All right, Indra, I'm going to blame you, but that's OK.
[Petersons:] That's fine.
[Bolduan:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] All right, there it is, the flying hibachi. We're going to talk about it now. A bold, new plan from online retail giant Amazon. The company revealing future plans to deliver your packages under five pounds via drones. The so-called octa-copter set to drop off your special delivery in 30 minutes or less. Sounds like a pizza. Our chief business correspondent Christine Romans here with more. Joining her, Brian Stelter, CNN's senior media correspondent. Brian, we know where Christine stands on this. I'm curious about you. I know you're a bit of a geek like I am.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] Yes.
[Pereira:] I like the idea, but is it logistically feasible?
[Stelter:] They say they'll be ready if the FAA, if the government allows it.
[Pereira:] The big if.
[Stelter:] It will become a government story now. Will the regulators allow this to happen? But it was interesting last night on "60 Minutes," Jeff Bezos said, maybe three, four, five years. Then the Amazon spokeswoman said over e-mail, we'll be ready in 2015, in two years. So they're serious about this if the government allows it.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] Look, it makes a lot of sense if you think about the cost of truck and oil and fuel and all that. I mean it's pretty cheap to make a drone, depending on what kind of drone they're making. Eighty-six percent of their traffic is this kind of within 10 miles of a fulfillment center.
[Bolduan:] In this radius.
[Romans:] In this radius.
[Pereira:] Right.
[Romans:] But they do 2 million packages a day, right? Estimated 2 million packages. Even if they had a quarter of their business as Amazon Prime Air, that would be that would be, what, 500,000 of these little black spiders in the sky. I mean are people going to go for it for the privacy issues, for the safety issues? What if one of these things drop out, scratches your car? I mean you know what I mean?
[Stelter:] Right, it's kind of like the Tesla, right? These car fires have gotten a lot of attention, even though regular cars are maybe even more dangerous. Delivery trucks certainly are dangerous.
[Romans:] True.
[Stelter:] People get hit by delivery trucks.
[Romans:] True.
[Stelter:] But, the first time this drone maybe falls on someone or even comes close, it will get a lot more attention.
[Bolduan:] But maybe from a marketing perspective or just an image perspective, even if this doesn't take off, isn't this great for Amazon?
[Stelter:] Exactly.
[Romans:] Innovate thinkers.
[Bolduan:] It lets them lets them show that they think big.
[Stelter:] Yes. Yes.
[Romans:] Yes. And I was saying earlier, if you Googled Jeff Bezos' crazy ideas, there's all sorts of cool stories about what he's been up to, you know? I mean he likes to think big, he likes to spend the money to try to fix problems that maybe we haven't thought of.
[Cuomo:] That's great. He should get his inner Di Vinci working whenever he wants.
[Bolduan:] But?
[Cuomo:] Now, here's the problem that I don't think you can ignore with this. The moment that the books or whatever you get on Amazon don't get delivered through this, they take a huge hit in goodwill.
[Pereira:] Right. Yes, that's true.
[Cuomo:] If you can't get what you order from amazon.com promptly, there's no reason to use them.
[Romans:] And there are people who say terrorism, drug trafficking, theft, all of these other things that can, you know spying, privacy issues, you know, all these other things that could happen if you just decide that we're going to have these things flying around. You know, it's a real shift in public perception about drones.
[Stelter:] Right.
[Romans:] Drones have been for war and spying. You're going to see more commercial use of drones, no question.
[Pereira:] Right.
[Stelter:] And what a coup
[Pereira:] I was thinking about another layer too is the workforce. So suddenly all these driver delivery guys, are they going to be the personnel that will be trained to operate the drones? I mean that's kind of a massive shift.
[Stelter:] I noticed in the YouTube video that Amazon put out last night to reveal this, there were almost no humans in the video except for the person who was picking it up on their doorstep.
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Pereira:] Right.
[Romans:] It could revolutionize Santa's workshop.
[Bolduan:] And that's where Jeff Bezos wants to be.
[Stelter:] That's right. And what a coup, by the way, to reveal this on "60 Minutes" in front of a huge television audience.
[Pereira:] Yes.
[Stelter:] Some people on Twitter last night felt like it was an infomercial, but it was a great way to start changing public perceptions about drones.
[Pereira:] If you're a betting man, do you think it will actually, actually happen?
[Stelter:] I do. But like you said, I'm kind of a geek. Do you think so?
[Romans:] I you know, the online perception, the talk about it today has been almost entirely negative. You know, people just don't like but people in general don't like change.
[Stelter:] Right.
[Romans:] I mean what Jeff Bezos has to do is try to change sort of the public perception of this
[Stelter:] Right.
[Bolduan:] Speaking of online, can I get your quick take on Cyber Monday. I think it doesn't exist. It's like Black Friday syndrome, it doesn't even exist anymore because we're getting the sales early.
[Romans:] You know, I think they're they're going to give big they're going to give big numbers this Cyber Monday. Look, it's invented by the retail industry to make you spend more money, if you haven't already spent it over the weekend. And over the weekend we saw that people are acting like it's a recession. People spent a little bit less. So there are high hopes that Cyber Monday a lot of tech deals today. Kindle Fire, Moto X, Roku streaming device and stuff like that is what tech is where you're going to find the deals today.
[Bolduan:] OK.
[Romans:] It could be a big day.
[Bolduan:] Awesome.
[Pereira:] Christine and Brian, thank you so much for sounding off on the drones.
[Romans:] You're welcome.
[Pereira:] I still go with your flying apache.
[Bolduan:] I'm into it. I'm into the drone delivery. I'm just going to say that.
[Cuomo:] Noted. Coming up on "NEW DAY" unbelievable new video showing the moment, listen, let's focus on this guy for a second. We hear about great rescues but this one this is singular. Three days under water, trapped inside an air bubble. OK. How does he survive? Can you imagine the moment that they found this man? We'll tell you about it.

[Unidentified Reporter:] A Texas mom allegedly did some holiday shopping at Walmart and tried to walk out of the store with DVDs, sweater, shoes, cups, cans of coffee and a hair brush. Only she forgot to pay. Mom was about to be busted for shoplifting goods and that`s not all. She also allegedly forgets her children and drives off. Police say the children ages 2 and 3 were left behind.
[Grace:] Everybody, we are going live to Dallas, the shoplifting mom. She flees Walmart with stolen DVDs, sweaters, shoes, the works. But oops, she leaves behind her two children, ages 2 and 3. Out to you, Justin Freiman. Tell me what happened.
[Freiman:] This Texas mom goes into the Walmart. She starts loading her card up with a bunch of items, movies, cans of Starbucks coffee
[Grace:] Whoa, wait a minute. I like the mugshot. I`ll close my eyes and pretend it`s not happening. OK. Go ahead.
[Freiman:] Right. Or maybe she was trying to remember something, because obviously not only did she forget to pay for the items
[Grace:] Her chidlren.
[Freiman:] she forgot her kids as she`s running away from the store, as they`re about to bust her for shoplifting.
[Grace:] So how did they find the children, Justin?
[Freiman:] Well, she leaves the children behind in the cart with some of the items that she was leaving the store without paying for. Gets in her car then drives off.
[Grace:] So how did they find the children? She leaves the children behind in the cart with some of the items that she was leaving the store without paying for. Getting in her car and drives off. All right. Out to the lawyers, Cevallos and Hormozdi. All right, Danny Cevallos, what`s your defense? Let me think, what is it black Friday insanity? She just got overcome with shopping there after Thanksgiving at the Walmart?
[Cevallos:] Well, retail theft has a lot of range, Nancy, depending on her priors or whatever the value is.
[Grace:] A lot of range?
[Cevallos:] So this is a defensible case, at least as far as leaving the kids.
[Grace:] Forget the DVDs. Cevallos, I don`t care about the DVDs.
[Cevallos:] Moving on.
[Grace:] She can have my DVDs and my minivan right now. She could have all of them, it`s like 40 in there for the children.
[Cevallos:] So let`s talk children.
[Grace:] I would be mad if she didn`t take them. I`m worried about the 2 and 3-year-old she leaves in the parking lot. That`s my problem.
[Cevallos:] So so in this case, it becomes a DHS case, a petition maybe to take the kids away. The argument is in the grand scheme of things, making a run, we don`t know if she was planning to come back to the children or whether she wasn`t permanently abandoning them.
[Grace:] Come back.
[Cevallos:] So I think that`s going to
[Grace:] Cevallos, let me get into your personal business again. Do you have any children?
[Cevallos:] Nancy, that`s a very sad inquiry. No children, no wife, no nothing. No one`s looking for me.
[Grace:] OK. I`m going to fix you up after the show, but, Danny, don`t talk about, is she coming back for them.
[Shireen Hormozdi, Defense Attorney:] No, I don`t.
[Grace:] OK. All right, guys.
[Hormozdi:] But don`t fix me with Cevallos.
[Grace:] I`m totally striking out here. But let me tell the two of you. Freiman, you`ve got children now.
[Freiman:] That`s right.
[Grace:] OK. Justin, it`s not, is she coming back for the children. The issue is, did she leave the children? Did she leave them in the parking lot where they could get run over?
[Freiman:] She did. She left them in the lot in the cart with the items.

[Hala Gorani, Cnn Anchor:] A Senate leadership meeting has just ended. Dana Bash is on Capitol Hill with more on what happened, what was discussed, and what a possible outcome may be today. Dana, hi, we're getting awfully close to that debt ceiling crisis.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Senior Congressional Correspondent:] We are, and according to Senator Reid who I just spoke with, along with many other reporters in the hallway, walking from Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader's office back to his own, I asked if they were getting closer to a deal. And he said, we are getting closer. He said, we're not there yet. But they are getting closer. And the other question that was asked is whether or not he thought that they could have a deal by the time leaders go to the White House, which is at 3:00 Eastern, so that's in two-and-a-half hours. He said, I sure hope so. He said that, we're still talking about everything. Not there yet. But he certainly sounded more optimistic than we have heard people talking and people sounding in the past. And let's face it. Just the fact that he was walking out of Mitch McConnell's office, the Republican leader, that just is a good sign based on everything that has been going on, or rather not going on, up until the past 24 hours. So it definitely has the feel of something that could gel soon, but we're going to have to see what the details are. Now, I should tell also you that our understanding is that the Democratic leader has been pushing, at least in the past day or so, a shorter-term bill to fund the government in order to make sure that the sequester levels, the new forced-spending-cut levels that kick in, new spending cuts that kick in in January aren't locked in. Unclear if that is still part of the discussion, really the crux of the discussion, or if they've move on to other issues. Of course, the big issue is the debt ceiling and length of raising the debt ceiling and what price if any Democrats are willing to pay on that. Just one last thing, I was told just before coming down to the hallway here to stake out this meeting that the whole concept of medical devices, the tax on medical devices which Republicans have really been pushing on because it has to do with ObamaCare, repealing that or at least maybe delaying that is still possibly on the table as part of this short-term deal. But, again, it's very fluid. They're still trying to finalize it.
[Hala Gorani, Cnn Co-anchor:] And short-term there being a key word that we keep hearing. Thanks very much, Dana Bash. We'll stay in touch with you, of course, for more on a possible deal, still very uncertain, though. So let's bring in someone from Capitol Hill, Reid Ribble is a freshman Republican congressman from Wisconsin. Thanks for being with us, sir. You've been hearing about potentially there some sort of deal with the Senate leadership there. How close or far are we from this actually being resolved?
[Representative Reid Ribble , Wisconsin:] Well, I think we're getting closer for sure. They're going to go over to the White House this afternoon. It will be bicameral and bipartisan to actually try to lay out this framework. It's always been the Republican position that we should have a longer- term c.r., shorter-term debt limit. What you just heard from Dana is that Senator Reid is offering a longer debt limit and shorter-term c.r. So they're still going to have to work that out. I find the whole thing kind of interesting now that they've shifted, or Harry Reid has shifted to talking about the sequester, because, on the one hand, they want to say ObamaCare is settled law, but they don't want to admit the sequester is settled law. And so in reality in Washington, D.C., there's no such thing as settled law. We can continue as the Congress, to vote and pass things as long as the president will sign it.
[Michael Holmes, Cnn Co-anchor:] Yeah, Congressman, I'm interested, though, in your thoughts on the broader question here. When you look at redistricting, it's really meant that no one on the right has suffered for being too extreme, but they have for being too moderate. Going forward, what do you do when there really is no electoral upside to bipartisanship in some areas of the Congress to cooperating if you like for the benefit of the country over ideology? What's your view on that when you look forward?
[Ribble:] I've been very outspoken on the whole idea of gerrymandering. It's not just on the right. It's on the left. As time has gone by, restricting has taken place, districts have gotten bluer and redder. And as they get bluer and redder, you have members of Congress representing those very blue and very red districts. Stop and consider, we know longer have a system where voters are selecting representatives, but representatives are selecting their voters by redistricting them. This is the problem we have. It's causing the gridlock.
[Holmes:] A very good point.
[Gorani:] I want to ask you what the Republican Party here at the House level wants. I mean, initially there was a group that wanted defunding, gutting ObamaCare, then it shifted to something different. Now we're talking about the sequester cuts that are due to come into effect in January. What is it that the Republican Party at the House level wants in order to get something agreed on here?
[Ribble:] You know, it's actually a great question because we're having kind of a convergence of two discussions taking place. One is on the debt limit. One is on the continuing resolution to fund the government. I think they want different things, but at the end of the day, I think the broad number of members in the Congress really want one thing and that is to fix the systemic long-term threat, the very things that you talked about prior to coming into this segment about how the international community views how we're managing our nation's finances. We've made promises to that American people that are going to be broken unless we address them now. They will get more expensive to address the longer we wait to take care of them.
[Gorani:] But do you shut down the government to keep long-term promises? The American public certainly doesn't seem to be very pleased with their congress people. You're at approval ratings that are in the single digits here.
[Ribble:] Yeah, yeah, and I have very few family members left, and so they might go down lower. The reality is that what has to actually happen and this is happening. One of the side things that has happened that the American people don't see because the news coverage can't see it is that there are an awful lot of sidebar meetings taking place now between regular members of Congress like myself. Now you introduced me as a freshman. I'm actually in my second term, but the reality is members of Congress are meeting together privately trying to find a pathway forward and asking the correct questions. And it is, how can we help you as Republicans how can we help you as Democrats get to see this position? And Democrats are saying how can we help you as Republicans get to this place? And these conversations are being done thoughtfully, respectfully and behind the scenes. And I think that maybe more than anything, this is starting to break some of the gridlock that we've seen and some of the partisan wrangling that's actually unhealthy for the process.
[Holmes:] I think a lot of people would be delighted to see more moderate voices.
[Gorani:] Maybe you should have cameras behind closed doors because it seems like that's where the conversations, the polite conversations, are taking place.
[Ribble:] There's more pragmatism here than you might it be aware of, and you know, I came out of the private sector having never served in Congress before, or in any elected official capacity.
[Holmes:] You must have been shocked.
[Ribble:] Well, yeah, and I was surprised at how sequestered we are and how politics rules the day, when in reality, most of us want to get something good. We want to make sure that we protect our seniors and we want to protect our future seniors, which are our children, and those things can happen, but they'll only happen if we set politics aside for a while, lay down our swords, and actually do what's right for the American people.
[Holmes:] And as they always say, you go in there hoping for all these wonderful things and do you are you able to achieve it long-term? Wish we could chat more. Some good points there, Congressman Reid Ribble, thanks so much.
[Ribble:] Thank you for having me. It's good to talk with you.
[Gorani:] All right, well, we're going to take a short break. We'll be right back. Stay with us on AROUND THE WORLD.

[Whitfield:] This week, the most recognizable ballet dancer, Misty Copeland, reached a new height, principal dancer of the American Ballet Theatre. This has been a dream for the 32-year-old since the age of 13. As the first African-American to earn this title in the ballet company's 75-year history, Misty says it's both a load off her shoulders and a new challenge.
[Misty Copeland, Principal Dancer, American Ballet Theatre:] It just sounds so surreal to hear those words. No, this is it. My dream has been ABT since I was 13, and to be a principal dancer is reaching those heights. And now I feel like I can breathe, but David Hallberg told me this morning the hard work is just now starting. And I love a challenge. I don't think I could be part of this field if I didn't like to work hard.
[Whitfield:] And when I sat down face to face with Misty Copeland last fall, she focused on both the journey and responsibility that comes with her ballet success.
[Copeland:] I'm Misty Copeland, I'm 32-years-old, and I'm a soloist with American Ballet Theatre. I'm a ballerina.
[Whitfield:] And what does it feel like to be able to say that?
[Copeland:] It's pretty cool.
[Whitfield:] That was last fall. Now Misty Copeland proudly describes her ascension to American Ballet Theatre's new principal dancer.
[Copeland:] This has been something that every dancer dreams of dancing in their dream company and becoming a ballet member, every dancer dream of being a soloist and being a principal. But it's very rare to actually reach this position, especially with the company like American Ballet Theatre. So though it's always been a dream of mine, I didn't think it was ever going to happen.
[Whitfield:] Even though she told me last fall she's been working tirelessly for years to make it happen.
[Copeland:] Not necessarily to be more talented, but you have to be ready to push yourself to the limits, and then to be a principal dancer even more so.
[Whitfield:] She's been unique in so many ways well before reshaping the American Ballet Theatre's 75-year history. Before becoming principal dancer, she was the first black soloist for the company in 20 years, stunning audiences at her New York performance of the "Nutcracker," her ground breaking transformation from the delicate Odette into manipulative Odile in ABT's "Swan Lake." Each time she is asked about the leap into the historically monochromatic classics, she is graceful.
[Copeland:] Over the past maybe three years, I've been put out there in the media, but it hasn't been an overnight sensation at all. It's been 13, 14 years of extremely hard work. And this season in particular has been a lot of pressure for me having the spotlight while I'm premiering such big roles. But I'm just so honored, so extremely honored to be a principal dancer, to be an African-American, and to be in this position. I never saw this happening with my life. But I'm just on this ride, and I'm just trying to take it one day at a time.
[Whitfield:] And how are you handling it, because it's quite the ride? "Nutcracker," you were the lead of that, the lead of "Swan Lake." You are changing the face of ballet dance and in a culture in America, if not the world. I mean, that is pretty heavy.
[Copeland:] Yes.
[Whitfield:] Or did I just make it heavy? I'm sorry.
[Copeland:] It's always been what I wanted. I wanted to bring it to Americans the way Europeans experience ballet, and for people to appreciate it and for me to share the stories of those who have come before me that don't always get the recognition as African-American ballerinas. Those are my goals. And I have so much more to do.
[Whitfield:] This on the heels of performing the lead of Juliet, as in "Romeo and Juliet," at the Met.
[Copeland:] I try not to get ahead of myself and just dive into each project as I'm working on them individually and not get overwhelmed by the bigger picture. But, I mean, it's hard to describe. And I'm just happy that I have these opportunities, you know, even with Firebird, that the audience that was there that night was kind of changing, seeing a more diverse audience to come support me. It's a big deal.
[Whitfield:] It is a big deal and seemed farfetched 20 years ago when as one of six children Copeland would step up to a ballet bar at 13 years old in a Los Angeles neighborhood Boys and Girls Club. It was uncomfortable. This wasn't the place that you naturally wanted to be.
[Copeland:] Right. It was unfamiliar and scary, and as a shy, introverted girl, trying anything that was new was terrifying to me. So yes, it was terrifying at first. This thing that is like, this is my life.
[Whitfield:] But Copeland writes in her memoir, "Life in Motion, An Unlikely Ballerina," her ballet instructor saw in her gifts.
[Copeland:] My body was agile and just capable of doing everything she asked. And I understood how to retain it.
[Whitfield:] She felt alive and suddenly far away from what a she describes as a chaotic and nomadic family life, her mother moving the kids from home to home.
[Copeland:] An escape from my everyday life. I was in this beautiful world with beautiful music.
[Whitfield:] By 17, Copeland headed for New York, her athleticism and dance standing out, gaining a special notoriety in this Under Armour ad, going viral with nearly 7 million views on YouTube. She caught the eye of the artist known as Prince, who incorporated her dance on his music tour in 2010. Is it true that you felt like you had really arrived as a dancer once Prince said I want you involved in my music.
[Copeland:] Something definitely happened during that experience. As dancers were told what to do from the moment we stepped into that first ballet class. You don't speak. To be given the opportunity, it was just me on a plane going to meet Prince in France. And I got there, and I said, what am I doing? What do you want me to do? He said whatever you want. It was like scary at first, that freedom. That was kind of the start of pushing myself as an individual and understanding the responsibilities it takes to be an artist.
[Unidentified Female:] Misty Copeland.
[Whitfield:] Like using her celebrity to teach lessons.
[Copeland:] I came from humble beginnings. I wasn't supposed to be a ballerina. I'm African-American. I went through a period of, you know, being fat in their eyes. And look at me now. And that's just the message that I want to continue to promote to kids.
[Whitfield:] On this day last fall, to young girls and women at the historically black all female college of Spelman. What's the advice or encouragement that you give them in their journeys?
[Copeland:] To keep people in your life who are going to support whatever it is that you want to do, to not compare themselves to other people. Just know that they are beautiful.
[Whitfield:] An unlikely ballerina, finding her footing, and in the process forever changing the world of ballet. And Copeland made that iconic commercial that you saw earlier for Under Armour, and the sports brand organized a social congratulations campaign with this tweet "Celebrate Misty on point just named ABT principal. The more hash-tags principal Misty tags, the more flowers we'll send her." And then guess what happened. Thousands of tweets later, Under Armour delivered Copeland an entire SUV full of blossoms right there. The company says it is so proud, and, quote, "History is beautiful." Incredible. We'll be right back.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight, live, upscale Denver. Daddy guns down Mommy after he downs a marijuana cookie and goes out of his mind, Mommy shot dead in front of her three children after she desperately pleads with 911 to save her life. This as the first pot vending machine hits the market.
[Unidentified Male:] I need an ambulance. Code 10. Body down. We`re going to need homicide.
[Unidentified Female:] Police say Kristine Kirk initially called 911 to report that her husband was hallucinating. Talking about the end of the world and saying he wanted her to shoot him. She also believed he was under the influence of marijuana. All we have is the screaming in the background.
[Grace:] And after pop sensation Britney Spears makes headlines driving with her toddlers in her lap, both no seatbelts, it happens again. Live to Michigan tonight. Caught on tape, a female kidnapper pulls the same stunt.
[Unidentified Male:] A mom kidnaps her daughter and leads cops on a dangerous high-speed chase with her 5-year-old in her lap. And it`s all caught on tape.
[Unidentified Female:] You can see one tire blow and come off its rim. Then the video shows Coy trying to run away with her daughter, fighting police while they try to arrest her.
[Grace:] And tonight, QVC queen and sales superstar Lisa Robertson living a life of fear. But why?
[Unidentified Male:] She`s seen by many as the face of
[Qvc. Unidentified Female:] Twenty-four hours of fashion, a special offer...
[Unidentified Male:] Reports say the former Miss Tennessee fearful for her safety, multiple men accused of stalking her.
[Unidentified Female:] Like, get it off of me.
[Grace:] That video from QVC. And tonight to Gaston, South Carolina. A 7-year-old little girl, absolutely beautiful, fatally shot in the chest at a birthday party, shot with a loaded rifle belonging to another mother`s boyfriend. Tonight, no charges?
[Unidentified Female:] I dropped everything, and all I heard was Juliet, Juliet, Juliet!
[Unidentified Male:] Tragedy strikes at a birthday party, 7-year-old Juliet Lynch is dead after she`s accidentally shot by a 5-year-old boy! Why would there be a gun at a kid`s birthday party?
[Grace:] And a Texas mother traumatized after she learns a creepy burglar in her home staring at her baby in the cradle. Tonight, the manhunt. He`s caught on tape.
[Unidentified Female:] As the family of three sleeps, an intruder sneaks around, hovering over... The sleeping child, creepy images. At one point, the two make eye contact, and then the little boy goes back to sleep.
[Grace:] Good evening, I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight, live, upscale Denver. Daddy guns down Mommy after Daddy downs a marijuana cookie and goes out of his mind, Mommy shot dead in front of her three children after Mommy desperately pleading with 911 to save her life. This as the first pot vending machine hits the market. Incredible! Pat Lalama, correspondent, Investigation Discovery, before I get to the pot vending machine, this mom shot dead in front of her three children. Now, apparently, the father eats a marijuana cookie or brownie. What happened?
[Pat Lalama, Investigation Discovery:] Well, first let me say this is a shock to everyone who knows him. They were all
[Grace:] The children devastated. Can you even imagine? Suddenly, your father goes out of his gourd and starts talking crazy. The mom, hysterical, calls 911. It gets worse and worse and worse. She`s on the phone with 911 almost 15 minutes, begging. The children see their mother gunned down in front of their eyes. Take a listen to this.
[Unidentified Male:] We need an ambulance. Code 10 for party down. We`re going to need homicide.
[Unidentified Female:] The wife on an open line
[Grace:] So you know what? I`m going to go straight out to our experts. Joining me, Brad Lamm, addiction specialist and founder of Breathe Life Healing Centers.
[Brad Lamm, Addiction Specialist:] Hey, Nancy.
[Grace:] Also with me, Norm Kent, president of NORML, National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. You know, Norm Kent, you and I have gone around and around about this, and you keep telling me that marijuana, if anything, makes you mellow and laid back. So why does this guy go on a rampage and murder his wife? They had no marital problems. They weren`t talking about divorce. Nobody`s having an affair. He eats a marijuana cookie or brownie, and he goes berserk and guns her down, Norm Kent.
[Norm Kent, Norml:] Well, I`ll give you this, Nancy. Number one, marijuana is not and it`s scientifically proven a hallucinogen. But I will tell you that marijuana-infused chocolates or marijuana-infused food can be a little bit stronger than people reasonably suspect. However, I think whatever made this madman kill his wife...
[Grace:] He was not a madman...
[Kent:] ... was not marijuana.
[Lamm:] And Nancy Nancy...
[Grace:] No! That`s not true! That`s not true! Hold on, Brad. I`m going to come straight to you. Pat Lalama, before he ingested it says marijuana cookie. Maybe it was a marijuana brownie. But before he ingested that, everything was fine. Like you had pointed out, they were at a soccer game about 72 hours before that very loving, responsible, held down a job, three boy, boys in school, no problems. He eats a marijuana brownie and goes berserk.
[Lalama:] Nancy, so many cases we use the term it was just the perfect family, but it really feels that it`s not the cliche in this case. Friends say this was as stable as you can get, that this father was even a religious man, very devoted to his children. So madman I beg to differ!
[Grace:] OK, back to Lamm and Kent. What were you saying, Brad?
[Lamm:] Nancy Nancy, Norm says that there`s really no signs that shows that pot THC is the active ingredient in pot will cause a person to go crazy. The truth is this, that it really does the science is behind us that it does cause delusions and paranoia in people that it triggers in this way. So if you don`t have a problem with pot, then this isn`t it`s not going to affect you this way. But THC is a very powerful drug. And for many people, it will have a very negative impact in their life. And it`s another heart-breaking tragedy about the disease of addiction, Norm Kent.
[Grace:] Kent?
[Lamm:] But Brad, 30 million Americans use pot and don`t grab a gun and shoot their wife. You know what, Norm? And that`s... And that`s awesome. That`s an awesome story, and you know, for a person who`s not addicted, a glass of wine with dinner or some brandy on the weekend is an awesome part of their life. But for a person who`s addicted, it`s a problem. So you`re messaging that it`s no big deal does a lot of families a disservice, and it takes them to the vending machine, it takes them to the pot store, and it tells their kids that it`s not a big deal, and it is. Addiction is a progressive, often fatal disease, Norm.
[Kent:] But the message...
[Grace:] OK, Norm...
[Kent:] ... of Brad Lamm, an addictionologist, is that the irresponsible minority should govern...
[Lamm:] It`s not about responsibility, Norm.
[Kent:] ... the responsible and trusting majority.
[Lamm:] See, that`s where you get it so wrong. It`s not about using it responsibly. If you`re a person prone to addiction and you start using pot, you will get sick. And then we see what happens.
[Grace:] OK, guys, hold on one moment. Norm Kent joining me, who wants marijuana legalized across the country, Brad Lamm, addiction specialist, founder of Breathe Life Healing Centers. Norm, I mean, just from strictly a legal point of view, you`re way, way out of you`re way out in the weeds. You`re off the course because what you`re saying is, Hey, it`s just one mom. You know, 30 million people do it, which I`m not sure about that, but you`re saying 30 million people do it. And this is just one mother. It`s just three kids that saw her head blow up like a pumpkin in front of them. So hey, 1 out of 30 million, no problem. Is that really what you`re saying?
[Kent:] Nancy, what I`m saying is we don`t want to see 30 million people going to jail because they consume marijuana...
[Grace:] That`s not what I said!
[Kent:] ... that society can do a better job. Sure, it is.
[Grace:] That`s not what I said! This guy ate a marijuana cookie, according to police, he starts hallucinating and goes berserk. Pat Lalama, help me out. Tell me what happened.
[Lalama:] Well, OK, this man is she`s on the phone. He`s out of his mind. This is a man who has no known history of being out of his mind, no criminal record, one DUI a long time ago, but nothing! And Nancy, let me point out to you that now that the floodgates have opened in Colorado, they`re looking at another case of a student, whom I believe just a few months ago did pot and jumped to his death. It was a suicide right after ingesting marijuana. This is a floodgate of potential problems and criminality here!
[Grace:] Yes, I read about that. He was a young student. OK, take a listen to what the shooter this is the father, the husband that guns down his wife while he`s hallucinating after pot. This is what the brother had to say.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, this is it`s overwhelming. My heart goes out to those three boys and Kris`s family. Was he struggling with any mental health issues? Not that I know of. I know that that wasn`t Richard. Let`s just say that. I hope I hope there`s some answers that come out about this. This is a really terrible thing.
[Grace:] OK. And this, at the time we learn the first marijuana vending machine is out there? What is that, Michael Christian? OK, how does that work, Pat Lalama?
[Lalama:] I wish I knew. The way that I think that it works is that you can just simply use it like you can use any kind of machine to get, you know, a can of Coke. The problem that they`re having, though, right now, Nancy, is the regulation, the amount that they`re putting in the cookies and the edibles...
[Grace:] But how does the machine figure out if you`re old enough to get marijuana? How does the machine do that? Michael Christian, how does it work?
[Christian:] As Pat says, they`re trying to work that out. You know, you don`t see beer, for example, or liquor being sold in these kind of machines, so how are they going to do it with marijuana?
[Grace:] Well, wait a minute, guys.
[Christian:] They`re still trying to work that out.
[Grace:] Isn`t it something like this, a driver`s license? Doesn`t it match you up with your driver`s license? It`s got the technology to look at your license and then match it up to your face. So OK, Brad Lamm, you know what? You were telling me just the other night off camera about a young Ivy Leaguer who is now in one of your centers.
[Lamm:] Yes.
[Grace:] He`s lost everything. I mean, he fights like H-E-double-L to get into this nice Ivy League school. His parents sacrifice everything. And he gets addicted to pot. Now it`s all down the tubes. Now he can get it at a vending machine?
[Lamm:] And it`s so scary for families because they have this family has two kids. One smokes it with impunity and one smokes it and gets paranoid and delusional and sick and drops out and loses everything. So for folks that really wonder, Why is my kid getting affected in a negative way with pot, listen to what you hear and look at the warning signs and wake up. That`s the pot problem.
[Grace:] So Pat Lalama, what about the dad that guns down Mom? Where is he? Is he behind bars? Is he on bail? Who has the three little boys? I mean, Mom is shot dead in front of the children!
[Lamm:] Family have the children. He`s being held he was due in court today. Can I just throw in one quick thing, Nancy? Wasn`t there a report out in just the last couple of days of definitive proof that pot causes brain damage? I just wanted to throw that in there. As for the father, he was due in court today, and by the way, Nancy, has apparently confessed to police that he did, in fact, kill his wife.
[Grace:] You know, what a mind-blowing scenario. This guy, a loving father, innocently thinks it`s not going to hurt him, eats a marijuana cookie, starts hallucinating, goes and gets the gun out of a locked cabinet, hallucinating, guns down his wife of many years, the mother of their three children, completely out of his mind. Now he`s sitting in jail, Mommy`s dead, and the three children have neither a mother nor a father. Everybody, when we get back, remember when pop sensation Britney Spears made headlines driving with her toddlers in her lap, no seatbelts? Well, it happens again. Tonight, we go live to Michigan. Caught on tape, a female kidnapper pulls the same stunt.
[Unidentified Female:] She literally put not just herself and that child in danger but those officers that were chasing and the other pedestrians that were on the roadway.
[Grace:] And then later, a Texas mother traumatized after she learns a creepy burglar in her home staring at her baby in the cradle! Tonight, he is caught on tape. Manhunt!

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back. Great to be with you on this Monday. I'm Brooke Baldwin. It is now a race against the clock. We're watching the seconds ticking down. In just over two days, some time after the clock strikes midnight, the U.S. will run short of money to pay its bills. Huge news here, because in an hour, the president will be meeting with congressional leadership at the White House. So here are the big guns who will be in attendance at the meeting. House Speaker John Boehner will be there, as well as house minority leader, Nancy Pelosi. Also in attendance today, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Right now, the Senate convenes, and these two huge players, McConnell and Reid, are expected to speak. We're watching very closely. We've been reporting this meeting, Reid in McConnell's office, the talking that's been taking place, and what these two say could indicate the face of the country, really, at this point in time. Fast-moving story here. Dana Bash has been all over it. She's our chief congressional correspondent. And so, Dana, I understand Reid has been back in McConnell's office [inaudible] has to be. Tell me, is this a good sign heading into this White House meeting in 60 minutes?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] It sure seems like a good sign, Brooke. I just came to talk to you from standing outside of McConnell's office, which is kind of on the other side of the Capitol from where I am right now, and Harry Reid was still in that office. We do expect them both to, as you said, leave there soon in order to speak publicly on the Senate floor as the Senate is convening. But as Reid was walking into McConnell's office, our congressional producer Ted Barrett saw that he was holding a piece of paper, which is a good sign, and he said we're going over the deal. And the question was, are you there yet? And he said, "Not yet." And then we were talking a lot about Harry Reid, but we should also tell you a spokesman for Mitch McConnell also says the two leaders are negotiating in good faith. Good-faith negotiations and talks will continue. So the sort of parameters of the discussions going into these talks and we think this is the second round of negotiations. They might have had more face-to-face talks that they got by those of us following them in the hallway but the basis, we think, is at least Harry Reid came to Mitch McConnell this morning with an idea of
[Baldwin:] Let me interrupt you, Dana Bash, because, as you mentioned, here is Harry Reid speaking on the floor of Senate. Here he is.
[Unidentified Male:] a bill to ensure the complete and timely payment of the obligations of the United States government until December 31st, 2014.
[Sen. Harry Reid , Majority Leader:] Mr. President, at 5 o'clock today, the Senate will proceed to executive session to consider the nomination of Andrea Wood, the United States district judge in Illinois and the nomination of Madeline Haikala to be a United States district judge in Alabama. At 5:30, there will be a roll call vote on the confirmation of the Haikala nomination. The wood nomination expected to be confirmed in another way. Mr. President, constructive good faith negotiations continue between the Republican leader and me. I'm very optimistic that we will reach an agreement. It's reasonable in nature this week. To reopen the government, pay the nation's bills and begin long-term negotiations to put our country on sound fiscal footing. I deeply appreciate my friend, the minority leader, for his diligent efforts to come to an agreement. The Republican leader and I will keep members informed as negotiations continue.
[Sen. Mitch Mcconnell , Minority Leader:] Mr. President, Republican leader? Let me just echo the remarks of my good friend the majority leader. We'we've had an opportunity over the last couple of days to have some very constructive exchanges of views about how to move forward. Those discussions continue, and I share his optimism that we're going to get a result that will be acceptable to both sides.
[Unidentified Male:] Under the previous order, the leadership time is reserved.
[Baldwin:] So first you heard from the majority leader, and then you heard from, as he called it, his friend, the minority leader, both Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell. Dana Bash, let me just bring you back in because since some language I heard that, again, going back to the potential reading of the tea leaves and the good news that both of these men are confident that there could be results. The optimism seems pretty pervasive on the Senate floor that a deal will be reached this week.
[Bash:] Absolutely. And to hear it from Harry Reid is one thing. To hear it from Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, is another. Very, very critical moment here for several reasons. One is because it is the Republicans that are going they're the ones who are probably going to have to give, particularly when it comes ultimately to the House of Representatives led by Republicans, who, of course, have been trying to force at the beginning of this, the defunding of Obamacare, delay of Obamacare. Si they're the ones who want to feel comfortable that their brethren in the Senate led by Mitch McConnell are carrying their water at least as much as they can. So the fact that Mitch McConnell sounded so positive really is indicative they feel good they can get what everybody hopes in the Senate will be a big bipartisan vote in order to maybe maybe the Senate would say force House Speaker John Boehner's hand or just even more generally, make it impossible for the conservatives, who are probably going to be opposed to anything that's worked out in the Senate, make it impossible for them to prevent John Boehner from bringing whatever the Senate passes to the House floor as we have seen over the past two weeks. So that really was key. The other thing is you heard Harry Reid say that he's optimistic. I once interviewed Harry Reid when he was just becoming the Senate majority leader, and, Brooke, he told me back in his hometown of Searchlight, Nevada, that he's the world's biggest pessimist. He's always pessimistic. He always sees the glass half empty. So for him to say he's optimistic
[Baldwin:] Is a big deal.
[Bash:] Pretty important, also keep in mind that everybody here is mindful of the markets. The bonds market is closed because of Columbus Day. The stock market is open and nobody wants to rattle the markets, whether you have an R after your name or a D after your name.
[Baldwin:] OK. Dana Bash, some optimism on Capitol Hill, we'll take it. We know you're watching very closely. And in just an hour from this meeting of President Obama and Reid and McConnell and Boehner and Pelosi here, this meeting maybe could change everything. The president says there's a good chance the U.S. will default on its debts unless there's a compromise.
[Obama:] This is fairly simple, and this whole shutdown has been completely unnecessary. Keep in mind that the problem is not that the U.S. government has run out of money. The problem is not that our deficits are going up. Our deficits have actually been cut in half since I came into office and are continuing to go down. The problem is not that there's not the opportunity for us to work intelligently to come up with a budget that creates long-term fiscal stability while still investing in growth. The problem is is that we have seen this brinksmanship as a strategy time and time again to try to extract extreme or partisan concessions.
[Baldwin:] To the White House we go, to our senior correspondent there, Brianna Keilar. And Brianna, you just heard from your colleague, Dana Bash, who just heard from Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell. You can hear this sort of rare you cover Congress this rare optimism there. Is that at all perhaps how the White House is feeling going into this meeting in 50 minutes from now?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Brooke, I think sometimes you see these meetings and a couple years ago during those bruising debt ceiling negotiations, we saw a lot of meetings where congressional leaders were summoned to the White House and it just sort of felt like, oh, there's another one of those meetings. I guess there's all together in a room and nothing is accomplished. That's not the case, I'm told, today. Those are the indications we're getting from White House officials we're talking to. We're told that during the meeting we should expect that the parties there will be discussing what is going on in the Senate negotiations in detail, that they will be looking for some sort of convergence to get everyone on the same page. Of course, a lot of this, Brooke, as well is about ratcheting up the pressure on House Republicans. You heard Dana talk about that. That is no doubt the case. We saw President Obama really doing that in those comments that he made there at Martha's Table at the food pantry he went to just a short time ago. Really trying to stress that if there isn't a compromise, there could be a default. Really putting the ramifications of a possible default out there as well. And I will say, Brooke, it's not necessarily an indication that the White House is prepared to really bend in any major way here. But I think it's more of an exertion of pressure on House Republicans that they're saying let's get on the same page.
[Baldwin:] You will be in the Oval Office. You are the pool reporter, so, Brianna, we will check in with you and get some of the color and the facts and figures from that meeting here coming up next hour. Brianna, thank you very much, for me at the White House. And coming up, we have A.B. Stoddard and Ron Brownstein standing by. We're going to talk to them specifically about what they think as these congressional leaders head in to the White House. We have also asked them to make up these lists, to rank who or what has the most influence right now as these negotiations are under way. Their answers surprised us. We're going to run through them coming up next. Plus, where is Vice President Joe Biden here? He's been on the sidelines, but in just about 45 minutes from now, does that all change at this White House meeting? You're watching CNN's special live coverage.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] The FBI director says the bureau sent a warning about the Texas shooter just hours before his terrorist attack. I'm Jake Tapper. This is THE LEAD. The national lead: today, new evidence that a dead Texas gunman had direct contact with an ISIS recruiter, as startling information comes straight from the FBI director, saying that his agency warned local police about Elton Simpson, one of the shooters, just hours before his attack. The sports lead. Tom Brady coming out strong today against an NFL report suggesting that he likely knew those footballs had been deflated purposely. And Q.B's quarterback's the quarterback's lawyers are trying to take the air out of the league's case. And in national, an unarmed man shot and killed by the LAPD caught on camera. But before the video is even out, the police chief suggests his officer may be at fault. So, just what does the video show? Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. This afternoon, we learned that a senior al Qaeda commander has been killed by the U.S. more on that in a moment. But, first, we're going to have some breaking news in our national lead and a bulletin from the FBI to local Texas police just hours before that thankfully foiled terrorist attack there, warning that an ISIS-inspired gunman could be coming to wreak havoc. Today, FBI Director James Comey said his agents tipped off local law enforcement counterparts about that man, one of the two shooters, Elton Simpson. Thankfully, a local police officer shot and killed both Simpson and his partner before they could slaughter any attendees at a controversial event featuring cartoons of the Muslim Prophet Mohammed. Let's get right to CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown. She's in Phoenix, where the now terrorists lived. Pamela, what exactly did this FBI bulletin say? And what else are investigators learning today about these gunmen?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, I can tell you, what we're learning from the FBI director, James Comey, Jake, is that FBI agents saw the tweets from Elton Simpson referencing that controversial event in Texas and that is what prompted the FBI to send that warning to Garland police just a few hours before the event. But we're also learning that the FBI had no idea that Simpson and his roommate, Nadir Soofi, was driving from their house here in Phoenix, Arizona, to Texas to launch that attack.
[Brown:] FBI Director James Comey tells CNN in an off- camera meeting with reporters today federal investigators had seen Elton Simpson's extremist social media comment referencing the cartoon event in Garland, Texas, and alerted local police three hours before the event started. Comey also said he knows there are other Elton Simpsons out there. For the first time, we are hearing directly from gunman Elton Simpson, talking about his Muslim faith in a 2012 fund-raising video at an Arizona mosque.
[Elton Simpson, Gunman:] When you come together and you pray five times a day, it provides for you a form of weaponry to go out into the real world.
[Brown:] Simpson's online presence showed a more extremist view. CNN has learned he not only communicated publicly on Twitter with known terrorists, but also messaged privately with Mohamed Hassan, an American born member of Al-Shabaab, the al Qaeda affiliate in Somalia, and Junaid Hussain, a British-born ISIS recruiter and hacker. U.S. investigators believe Hussain and Hassan each helped radicalize Simpson, encouraging him to carry out an attack. But it's believed Simpson chose the target. An evangelical pastor close to Simpson says he was not surprised to hear Simpson's name connected with the Texas terror attack.
[Vocab Malone, Pastor, Roosevelt Community Church:] He had expressed to me admiration specifically for bin Laden. He used the word hero, which surprised me at the time, but now that I understand his thinking better, it's actually not that surprising.
[Brown:] Now, in Simpson's case, we have learned that the FBI shared a picture of him and a possible license plate. But it's unclear whether that information made it to the officers on the street there in Garland or played a role in that quick reaction from the Garland police officer in killing those two suspects Jake.
[Tapper:] Pamela, what more do we know about his communications with this ISIS recruiter?
[Brown:] Well, we're learning more about Simpson's contact with Junaid Hussain. He is this British ISIS fighter believed to be in Syria. He was initially known as a prominent hacker within ISIS. And now U.S. officials are really concerned about his ability to recruit, to reach out to Americans here living in the U.S. like Simpson and inspiring them to launch an attack. So, what we have learned is that there wasn't just Twitter communication between the two, but that there were also private messages between Hussain in Syria and Simpson here. And I can tell you that that is what is so concerning to U.S. officials who are investigating this. Who else is Junaid Hussain communicating with privately urging them to launch similar attacks, Jake?
[Tapper:] Pamela Brown in Phoenix, thank you so much. Let's bring in CNN justice reporter, Evan Perez, who has been working the story. Evan, what more can you tell us in terms of the specifics of this warning from the FBI to local police?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, I will tell you, we were in this meeting with the FBI director. And we were all shocked when he dropped this information on us. We knew that the FBI had set up this command center there because they were trying to warn the local authorities of potential threats to this event. And so they were looking not only for Simpson. There were other people that they were also keeping an eye on. Simpson was added to the list three hours before this attack actually was carried out. And that simply, as Pamela said, was his picture, license plate, just in case, be on the lookout. But this is something that never actually made it to the officers on the street. This was a generalized warning that he was interested in this event. He had expressed interest online. And so he was among a number of people that they were looking for.
[Tapper:] The FBI was at the event.
[Perez:] Right.
[Tapper:] Why were they there?
[Perez:] Well, because this event had attracted so much controversy, Jake, down there. And they knew that there were extremists online who were making threats to the event. And that's why there was such a heavy police presence. And the FBI had put up a command center with the intelligence analysts to be able to get that information out quickly.
[Tapper:] And I think I know the answer to this one, but having issued this bulletin warning about Simpson, why was the FBI not following him? Why were they not surveilling him?
[Perez:] I got to tell you, the scary the scary part of what the FBI was talking about today is that he has hundreds of people that they are trying to look at. Each of these people take so much manpower to track. They had no idea this guy was planning to do this. And so it wasn't they weren't watching him that closely.
[Tapper:] It was keep an eye out for this guy, but we don't know where he is?
[Perez:] Right.
[Tapper:] Evan Perez, thank you so much. Turning to more breaking news in the war on terror, just hours ago, the Pentagon confirmed to CNN that Nasr Ibn Ali al-Ansi, a key commander for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula that's the al Qaeda affiliate al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen has been killed. Al-Ansi was the AQAP spokesman who issued the lengthy statement you might recall taking responsibility for the slaughter at the offices of the French satirical magazine "Charlie Hebdo." U.S. officials would not say specifically how he was killed. But al Qaeda in a video announcing his death said that a U.S. drone took him out. Let's get right to CNN senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh. He's live in Beirut. Nick, good to see you. Do we know where and when this happened?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] It seems to have happened in mid-April, possibly in the Southeast of the country, an al Qaeda stronghold known as Mukalla on the coast down on the southeast. It's not entirely clear whether this was one drone strike that particularly targeted al-Ansi or whether in fact it was also one that was reported on round about mid-April which seemed to kill other media spokespeople as well from that particular group. But it's a staunch blow, Jake, because this was a very public figure, the man who claimed that the "Charlie Hebdo" attacks were organized, funded, run by AQAP in Yemen and also the man who announced the death of Luke Somers, the American journalist and hostage killed after American raid to rescue him went spectacularly wrong. A significant blow for them at a time when they were trying to reestablish themselves in jihadi circles, given the ascendance of ISIS Jake.
[Tapper:] And, Nick, give us an idea of where al-Ansi was on the AQAP hierarchy. Was he a senior-level leader? Was he mid-level? Obviously, he had a very public role.
[Walsh:] I think it's fair to say he was in their top dozen officials, but, more importantly, a public face. And while there may have been others above him, like, for example, Nasser al-Wuhayshi, who is the leader of AQAP, above him in sort of the food chain, so to speak, he was very much one person you would see in social media who delivered the public message of that particular group. As I say, at a time when they were struggling to gain traction in extremist circles, those "Charlie Hebdo" attacks were a bid, them claiming responsibility, way to put themselves back on the jihadi map. But also now too concerns that, given the turmoil inside Yemen, the civil war between the Houthis and the forces loyal to the current president, Hadi, backed by Saudi airpower, that that turmoil has given them extra breathing room to work. And we have just heard from the secretary of defense, Ashton Carter. He wouldn't confirm this was a drone strike, but said they are finding ways to continue to pressure AQAP. We will have to see exactly what that does to their operational capability, they being the group that have sworn foremost to attack the United States Jake.
[Tapper:] Nick Paton Walsh in Beirut, thank you so much. "You are free to go," those words spoken just hours ago by a judge to a man who had pleaded guilty before a military commission to killing an American soldier. The former Gitmo detainee just minutes ago walked out of prison after the judge said, there's no proof that he will do it any do it again. But is he really a changed man? That's next.

[Keilar:] Breaking news tonight. We want to welcome our viewers from around the world to this breaking news coverage. An American journalist has been beheaded by ISIS terrorists. A video showing the horrific killing and its gruesome aftermath was released on the Internet a short while ago, along with a message to the United States to end its intervention in Iraq. The victim was freelance journalist James Foley, who was kidnapped in 2012 while covering the war in Syria. In the video, he is seen kneeling next to a man dressed in black. Foley reads a message presumably scripted in detail by his captors that his real killer is America. The video, which is obviously too gruesome for us to show you, then shows Foley's beheading. After that, it shows another American journalist, also dressed in orange and kneeling. And that man is believed to be Steve Soltoff, a contributor to "TIME" magazine, who was kidnapped at the Syrian- Turkish border in 2013. The terrorist says his life is hanging in the balance, depending on what President Obama does next. Let's bring in our senior international correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh. He is in Erbil in northern Iraq Nick.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Brianna, James Foley was kidnapped in November 2012, a comparative long time ago, when the Syrian civil war was underway near a town called Pathamad whilst coming out of an Internet cafe. It was unclear at that time who had taken him. And back then, ISIS, as it is now known, didn't really exist inside Syria and less so in its current form in Iraq. So clearly, within the 636, if you count the days in which he was held in captivity, he changed hands within the underground functions as sort of Syria's kidnap business. There are a lot of Americans, it seems, held have been held at some point or other foreigners by various different groups that make up Syria's rebels at times. Some of them more criminal. Some of them moderate. And as time has gone by, ISIS, it seems, has moved into that particular market and taken some of those individuals to one side. I've spoken to one American who actually escaped kidnap by Syrian rebels. More extreme variety. And he described how long periods were spent locked underground. He eventually managed to escape from that and described also the torture he suffered. But in these circumstances, for James Foley's family, a horrific time. He was a better correspondent in many conflict areas, was briefly detained in 2011 in Libya by Moammar Gadhafi's forces. And as I say, then, detained and then subsequently it's not clear what exactly his path was, who held him until we'd seen this horrifying video today. The orange jump suit, reminding many people of past videos people have seen emerging from Iraq during the times of the insurgency against the American presence there and, of course, it would be equally troubling for the other American journalists referenced in that video, to see him also in an orange jumpsuit. A deeply troubling moment, I think, for many of the journalists who have been covering this conflict for quite some time, to have known that our friends and colleagues have been held by ISIS and then released, some of them. Some of them still held now, and many I think were worried that if U.S. intervention began against ISIS, who in the eyes of many observers are
[Keilar:] Yes.
[Walsh:] a likely long-term threat to the United States' interests, and if U.S. military campaigns against them began, that those Americans held by ISIS may meet the kind of gruesome fate that it appears we have seen James Foley meet in this
[Keilar:] All right. Nick, Nick, I'm sorry to interrupt you. We actually have to go to the White House, where our senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, is standing by. Are we getting reaction, Jim, from the White House?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Yes, Brianna, it is brief. But the White House says at this point intelligence community officials are trying to confirm that this is indeed the killing of journalist James Foley. But let's go ahead and put a statement on screen if we have it. If not, I'll just read it, in terms of what the statement reads from this White House spokesperson, Caitlyn Haden out of the National Security Council. It says, "We have seen a video that purports to be the murder of U.S. citizen James Foley by ISIL. The intelligence community is working as quickly as possible to determine its authenticity. If genuine, we are appalled by the brutal murder of an innocent American journalist. And we express our deepest condolences to his family and friends. We will provide more information when it is available." And Brianna, in just the last couple of seconds, I pinged them back to find out whether or not it has been confirmed. They're just not at that point right now. But one thing we should point out: President Obama has just landed on Martha's Vineyard to resume his vacation there. We are not expecting to hear from the president on this point. But, of course, all of that could change. We've seen that over the last several days with this president on his vacation. It hasn't been much of one. He's been forced to come out in front of the cameras and talk about things that have been developing, not just in Ferguson but in Iraq as well Brianna.
[Keilar:] James Foley is a journalist and he is also an American, more importantly. Jim Acosta, thank you so much. Stand by for us as we continue our breaking news coverage of this. I also want it bring in our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson, as well as national security analyst Peter Bergen. Are you surprise bid this, peter?
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Not really.
[Keilar:] You're not. Why?
[Bergen:] I mean well, there have been so many Americans that have taken by ISIS. ISIS is not a group that is very open to negotiations of the conventional kind. I mean, occasionally, we've seen an exchange, we saw an exchange for American prisoner of war with the Taliban. But that was conducted at the prisoner of war level. This is a rather different kind of you know, kind of negotiating with al Qaeda. I can't think of an example offhand where as official matter, U.S. officials have sort of said, we're going to do a negotiation. Maybe they turn a blind eye, but it is policy not to negotiate, particularly with a group like al Qaeda.
[Keilar:] Does it speak, Nic, to the brutality of ISIS here?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] It speaks to their strategic view. They held these journalists, James isn't the only one. There are three other Americans, two British and one New Zealand. They've held other European journalists. They've hold them as bargaining chips. Now, we don't know why the French journalists were released. We do know that the American government and the British government don't negotiate with terrorists and certainly don't ever pay ransom for terrorists. Again, we don't know why some of these other journalists had been released and what's going on behind the scenes there. But this speaks to ISIS using these people as bargaining chips to try to get what it wants. And right now, it wants the United States off its back. The United States is showing itself in Iraq around, hitting ISIS targets there to free up that key strategic dam and ISIS is feeling the heat.
[Keilar:] With air strike, yes.
[Robertson:] With air strike and ISIS is feeling the heat. And this is the way they're gong to fire back. And if we continue in this thing, which we will, we can expect ISIS to continue to parade before us, this brazen, wanton, horrific there's no word to describe it, brutal, craven pick your word. It's horrible. But this is an unrelenting so far.
[Keilar:] Nic and Peter, stand by. And we're going to be right back with you as we continue to cover this. I want to bring in now Bob Baer, former CIA officer and CNN national security analyst, as well as Fran Townsend, former homeland security adviser to President Bush and CNN national security analyst. And joining us on the phone is former CIA director James Woolsey. Mr. Woolsey, as you look at this, the timing of this, why do you think ISIS chose now for this?
[Amb. R. James Woolsey, Chairman, Foundation For Defense For Democracies:] I think the previous speaker was right. They are somewhat squeezed, I think, by an unexpected decision, unexpected on their part by President Obama to use force. He has backed down so many times on using force in Syria and elsewhere, I think they may have been surprised and are doing the best they can to retaliate. I think it's really important that we are dealing here with theocratic totalitarian imperialists. They are of the view that we are the devil. They are of the view that they should control all aspects of their subject's life and they want an empire, and a caliphate in the Mideast. And it's a different qualitatively different thing than dealing even with al Qaeda and certainly dealing with some of the other groups. It is much worse than terrorism. We are at war.
[Keilar:] And, Fran, when you look at how this has been revealed and the fact that we know that James Foley has been missing for some time. He went missing in Syria in November of 2012. There was thought he might have been held by the Syrian government. Now, ISIS, obviously, had him at some point. We've been talking about this, that in a way on sort of a black market, some of these journalists, captives, are traded almost as bargaining chips, right?
[Fran Fragos Townsend, Cnn National Security Analyst:] That's right. Fundamentally, the terrorist is on the screen. I watch this horrific video, and he claims that they are a legitimate government, as Director Woolsey mentioned. They've declared their caliphate in the Levant and he claims that they are a legitimate government, but he is using what is out of the al Qaeda play book. We've seen al Qaeda videos of beheadings before. And I think this is an indication that the strategy of military support and military action against ISIS is having an effect, because now they're reacting and they're trying to push back against that, and they want it to stop. I mean, I think it is absolutely right that you can expect more of this. They will however many individuals they have in captivity, they will one by one bring them out because they're feeling the pressure of military action.
[Keilar:] Bob, what are you expecting the U.S. government to do here?
[Bob Baer, Cnn National Security Analyst:] The U.S. government's not going to give up in Iraq. It cannot afford to allow the Islamic state to establish itself. I think these strikes will continue, as the president said. The U.S. government will try to help take back Mosul with the Iraqis. It's clear that we're going to do something about Iraq. And I think, as my previous speakers have said, ISIS is going to hit back at us. The question is: are they capable of hitting outside of Syria and Iraq, for instance, in Europe or even the United States? Sources tell me that they believe that ISIS is here in this country, and they're unsure whether they can they actually have plans to do something, but it's a fear in the U.S. government, which in they're after it right now.
[Keilar:] All right. Bob, stand by for us. Fran as well. Ambassador Woolsey as well. We want to find out a little bit more about James Foley. You may not be familiar with him or with his family. And CNN's Brian Todd is here with more on that. Tell us, Brian, tell us about him and his family.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Brianna, he had been missing, as we'd been reporting, since Thanksgiving Day of 2012 when according to an FBI notice at the time on the Internet, he was taken by an organized gang in the city of Banash, Syria. Now, according to the FBI, he was kidnapped after leaving an Internet cafe there. He had a translator at the time but the translator was later released. In January of 2013, James Foley's family made a televised appeal, actually a couple of them at least, to his captors. They talked about the precautions he had taken and the kind of journalist he was. Take a listen.
[John Foley, Father Of James Foley:] James is an objective reporter who has been working as a freelance journalist in Syria for over a year. He's passionate about giving life to stories of people within conflict areas.
[Michael Foley, Brother Of James Foley:] He's taken every precaution, you know, possible, you know, traveling trying to travel with the right folks. He's been through risk training. He had a locator devices, you know, everything you can imagine.
[Todd:] Those, of course, televised appeals from James Foley's family in January of 2013. That last one was from his brother Michael Foley. Now, various reports say that James Foley was from Rochester, New Hampshire. He'd been a freelance photojournalist in the Middle East and in North Africa. Also, while in Libya in 2011, he'd been shot at and taken captive by forces loyal to then-dictator Moammar Gadhafi. He was reportedly held by them for more than a month. According to his family's Web site, James Foley was the oldest of five children. According to that FBI notice we saw on the Internet, Brianna, he would have turned 41 later this year.
[Keilar:] That's horrific and it's so terrible, this breaking news that we're covering here. Brian Todd, thank you. Just ahead, stay with us for this breaking news. An American journalist beheaded by ISIS as the group makes new threats to America. And we're bracing for another night of protests in Ferguson. The latest on the ground.

[Blitzer:] Despite all the drama off the court over their owner's racist remarks, the L.A. Clippers have now advanced to tonight's Western Conference semifinals. They'll face off with the Oklahoma City Thunder. The team owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life facing a $2.5 million fine. But not his wife who is also a co-owner. CNN's Ted Rowlands is joining us from Los Angeles. Ted, seems like everyone's talking about this now. Sterling spoke to "Dujour" magazine about his alleged mistress who talked with Barbara Walters herself. Sterling's wife has been talking with the NBA commissioner. Update us on the latest developments.
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, the bottom line, Wolf, is this season is the best ever in franchise history for the L.A. Clippers and as the team is doing well on the court, off the court, of course, there is drama, and the more talk we hear, the more a lot of people believe that both Mr. And Mrs. Sterling want to keep the Clippers.
[Rowlands:] With a win this weekend the Los Angeles Clippers are moving on to the next round of the NBA Playoffs. Meanwhile off the court the drama surrounding team owner Donald Sterling continues to grow. In an interview with ABC's Barbara Walters V. Stiviano, the woman heard with Sterling on the now infamous recordings, defended the Clippers owner and claimed she is still close with him.
[Barbara Walters, Abc News:] Is Donald Sterling a racist?
[V. Stiviano, Donald Sterling's Alleged Mistress:] No. I don't believe it in my heart.
[Walters:] What is his state of mind right now?
[Stiviano:] Confused. I think he feels very alone.
[Rowlands:] Meanwhile Sterling's wife Shelly, who was at this weekend's game, says she thinks the NBA's plan to hire an executive to run the team is a great idea, releasing a statement that seemed to indicate she would like to hold on to the Clippers, which is part of a family trust. The statement says, in part, "As a co-owner I am fully committed to taking the necessary steps to make the Clippers the best team in the NBA. That has been my aspiration ever since 1981."
[Ira Boudway, Bloomberg:] She is saying essentially that you can do what you want to my husband. He is a racist. Maybe you can strip him of his control as the board of governor. But this is a piece of family property and you can't just take away our property. We didn't do anything we didn't say anything. This is not us.
[Rowlands:] As for Donald Sterling's next move, it is still unclear if he is willing to sell. Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti on CBS's "Face the Nation" says after speaking to Sterling he doesn't think he will go down without a fight.
[Eric Garcetti, Los Angeles Mayor:] I think he thinks he will be the owner for a long time that he wants to stay the owner. And I say this will be a long, protracted fight and a painful thing for a city that is a great city, a great American city.
[Rowlands:] And, Wolf, the bottom line, a lot of people are getting ready for what could be a long protracted fight. We haven't heard anything specific from Donald Sterling except for what you mentioned in the top where you referenced that "DuJour" magazine. They quoted him only about his reaction to V. Stiviano saying, quote, "I should have paid her off." But we haven't heard anything official from him as to whether or not he's going to fight the effort to sell the team.
[Blitzer:] And we'll get some more on that. I'm going to be speaking later today in "THE SITUATION ROOM" with Jason Binn, the publisher of "DuJour" magazine. He's the one who had that lengthy phone conversation with Donald Sterling. We'll get some more on that. I'll also speak, by the way, with Bruce Levenson. He's one of the co- owners of the Atlanta Hawks, he'll join me live at 5:00 today as well. Lots of happening lots happening on this front. And we'll go in depth, 5:00 p.m. Eastern, in "THE SITUATION ROOM." Meanwhile, the situation in Ukraine is clearly worsening. Fighting between government forces and separatists moving the country closer to the civil war. We'll go live to Ukraine for an update.

[Romans:] President Obama gives his annual State of the Union Address to Congress and White House aides out in force on the Sunday talk shows, pushing the president's marquee proposal tax cuts for the middle class. The president wants to make sure middle income earners benefit from recent improvements in the economy and he wants the cuts paid for with tax and fee increases on banks and wealthy Americans. That plan had Republicans out in equal numbers to say not a chance. CNN's Erin McPike is at the White House.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine, President Obama is unlikely to get what he wants here because of how he wants to raise the revenue. Let's talk about that. He wants to raise tax rates on capital gains and dividends right now. That rate is 20 percent. He wants to raise it to 28 percent. He also wants to impose a new fee on large financial institutions. As you can imagine, this was big talk on the Sunday morning shows. Dan Pfeiffer, a senior advisor to President Obama, was on NBC's "Meet the Press" and then Republican Congressman Jason Chaffetz was on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION." And as you will hear here, they were on very different pages.
[Dan Pfeiffer, White House Senior Counselor:] A simple proposition that now that the economy is in a stronger place it's been in a very long time, we need to double down on our efforts to deal with waste stagnation and declining economic mobility. And so, the simple proposition that we should ask the wealthy to pay a little more and invest more in the middle class, give the middle class a raise.
[Rep. Jason Chaffetz , Utah:] It's a nonstarter. We're not just one good tax increase away from prosperity in this nation. This nation had its all-time highest, the record number of receipts coming into the Treasury. Are you going to actually grow the economy and jobs, are entrepreneurs going to be better off, or small businessmen are going to be better off with more taxes and more government? No.
[Mcpike:] But here are the tax cuts that President Obama ultimately wants to offer. He wants to give a tax credit for dual income families up to $500, and then, also, he wants to triple the child tax credit to $3,000. Now, keep in mind also that this is just a starting point and we'll be hearing a lot about this over the next few months as both Republicans and President Obama wrangle over tax reform Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Erin McPike, thanks for that. Secret Service and the FBI investigating who fired multiple gunshots from a car outside the sealed perimeter around Joe Biden's house in Delaware over the weekend. The vice president and his wife were not at home at the time. Agents have been searching for bullets and shell casings. Police reported a second shooting nearby a short time later. It is not known if they are related. Some 250 Yazidis are free this morning, released by ISIS militants who held them captive in Iraq for more than six months. A Kurdish official says once they were freed, the Yazidis walked to a checkpoint south of Kirkuk. Kurdish authorities said most of those freed were children, sick or elderly, likely they were slowing down the Islamic militants. It's why they were released. For the first time, Boko Haram insurgents have crossed the Nigerian border attacking a village in Cameroon, kidnapping 80 people, killing three. Once again, many of those abducted are children. This as thousands of troops from neighboring Chad are beginning to arrive in Cameroon to help in the regional battle against Boko Haram. Fierce fighting rages again in Ukraine. Ukraine's government now saying it reclaimed almost all of the area in and around Donetsk airport. This is the aerial view of the heavily damaged airport. This unfolding as thousands attended a state-sponsored rally in Kiev where 13 civilians killed when their bus came under rocket attack last week. Kiev blames the attack on pro-Russian separatists and says it launched the counter offensive in response to the separatists' stepped up attacks. The FAA is investigating a near disaster on the ground at New York's JFK airport over the weekend. A JetBlue flight cleared for takeoff was barreling down the runway at full speed when the pilots suddenly hit the brakes. Another plane crossed over the runway. According to JetBlue, the Caribbean Airlines plane crossed without authorization. The FAA says the closest the two planes came to each other was 2,800 feet. The FAA is investigating another plane incident. This time, they're looking into the cause of a smoke condition that force a Delta jet heading from Atlanta to Japan to return shortly after takeoff. Officials say a pilot on another plane reported smoke coming from the Delta flight's landing gear just after it departed Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson Airport. The Boeing 777 was carrying 291 people onboard. The Super Bowl XLIV is all set and it's a heavyweight bout featuring the NFL's two best teams. Tom Brady and the New England Patriots punched their ticket by crushing the Colts 45-7 in the AFC championship game. In the NFC, the Seahawks staged an improvable fourth quarter rally to beat the Green Bay Packers in overtime, 28-22, to earn their second straight trip to the Super Bowl. The defending champs and the Patriots will meet in Super Bowl XLIV in Arizona on February 1st. The Seahawks will try to become the first team to repeat as Super Bowl champs since the Patriots did it in 2003 and 2004. Pope Francis making history during his visit to the Philippines. Record-breaking crowds turned out the Catholic leader despite torrential rain. We got those details next. And this is a viral video you can't miss. A police officer grooving to Taylor Swift caught an on dash cam. So, what does the pop star have to say about this video?

[Baldwin:] Just half past the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. The new numbers. A statement from the director of the CDC showing that more Americans are contracting a disease that is so deadly and contagious that at it's worse, it killed 2.6 million people each and every year. I'm talking about measles. It's a disease that was eliminated here in the U.S. thanks to an affordable and safe vaccine, a vaccine that many are refusing to use. New numbers showing 102 people spanning 14 different states, all of the yellow states you see there, were reportedly got measles in the month of January. Most of those tracing back to the one outbreak in Disneyland in California. Dr. Isaac Thompson, let me bring you in, assistant professor of Pediatric Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University. Doctor, quickly, I was looking at the director of the CDC who said over and over the science on this is very clear for those communities that aren't, you know, having their kids vaccinated. Let me begin with this whole Amtrak story. Hundreds of people in New York may have been exposed when this college student infected with measles hopped on a train, rode through the state. My question to you would be, how does that then make someone vulnerable to contagion with the risks exposed with that kind of exposure?
[Dr. Isaac Thompson, Assistant Professor Of Pediatric Infectious Diseases, Vanderbilt University:] Sure. I think, first of all, one thing that that drives home at any time we're at risk of cases being imported from countries and there are many countries where it's still circulating. And yes, we don't know how many people were exposed to that. We know that measles is an incredibly contagious viruses, one of the most contagious that we know of. It's airborne and it spreads very rapidly. Time will only tell how many were exposed in that and there could be others just like that. We just don't know how many someone's coughing a lot on a train or airplane, for example, there's a large region where they are definitely exposed.
[Baldwin:] And then you have these communities, that Dr. Frieden is alluding to, that the parents who chose not to, for personal or religious beliefs, whatever reason, are not vaccinating their kids. The governor of Chris Christie has been slammed today after defending parents' , quote, "measure of choice" not to vaccinate their kids. Here he is.
[Chris Christie, , Governor Of New Jersey:] All I can say is, we vaccinate ours. That's the best way I can give you my opinion. It's much more important what you think as a parent than what you think as a public official. And that's what we do. But I also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well. That's the balance that the government has to decide.
[Baldwin:] That's the measure of choice that everyone has jumped on. His office later released a statement clarifying, there is no question, kids should be vaccinated, but he is actually right. I mentioned in certain states, you know, that these vaccines are mandated, but parents do have a choice. My question to you would be I mean, the CDC points to this. Dr. Gupta points to this. I would imagine you do, too. The science is very clear. What will it take? Can you change a law? How can you have, though, the government telling parents what they can and can't do?
[Thompson:] Right. It's obviously a very it's a very complicated issue but I think what we have to remember, personal choice, of course, is incredibly important. It's one of the concepts that this country was founded on. But safety is also incredibly important, safety of an individual, safety of a community. I think one example would be the seat belt law. We're required to wear seat belts because seatbelts are proven to be safe and to save lives. Vaccines are also well-proven to save lives, incredibly safe and very effective. I think there are certain points where and this outbreak that drives this home that if there's too much of these what are called personal exemption laws, if people are allowed to be misled by information, things read on the Internet, confusing, et cetera, and make a truly poor choice, this results in these under- vaccinated rates. Unfortunately, it will take potentially tighter mandates for this.
[Baldwin:] You think that's possible, tighter mandates?
[Thompson:] I think we have some states so it varies state by state. We have some states where they only have essentially a medical exemption and someone has an allergy or a medicine unsafe for them, they are exempt at taking that medication. With that simple measure alone, you get well over 99 percent vaccine coverage in those states. There are other states that have these very kinds of more open, personal belief exemptions, and there are loopholes around that, and we're seeing the result of that. I think we're this is proving that is what it takes. There are countries in Europe, for example, that don't have any type of mandate. It's just a personal choice. But they have nearly 100 percent vaccination in those countries and they don't have these outbreaks. And so for reasons that many can debate in our country right now, many are choosing not to vaccinate, and we're seeing the effects of that right now.
[Baldwin:] We are. Every week, more states added to this list. Dr. Isaac Thompson, thank you very much, at Vanderbilt. Next, if you watched the Super Bowl, you probably noticed many of the ads were kind of, sort of depressing, but Nationwide getting most of the backlash for that. CNN went inside the meeting this was months ago with these executives as they were pitching the idea. Here are the reasons they wanted to do it the way we saw.

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Anchor:] Fridays are awesome. I`m Carl Azuz. Welcome to the week`s last edition of CNN STUDENT NEWS. Could part of Ukraine secede from the rest of the country and become part of Russia? That is the question. The protests in the capital that led to the ouster of Ukraine`s president were by Ukrainians who wanted closer ties with Europe. But in Crimea, a region of southern Ukraine, many people identify more with Russia, and its local government has decided to hold a vote later this month to let Crimeans decide whether they want to be part of Ukraine or Russia. Ukraine`s government says this is an illegitimate decision, and President Obama who supports the pro-Europe Ukrainians says borders can`t be redrawn without approval from democratically elected leaders. But Russia says Ukraine`s government broke the law when it kicked out its democratically elected president. And Crimea is important to Russia. It gives Russia`s Navy access to the Black Sea. The standoff has international diplomats working around the clock to find the peaceful solution. Next up today, the U.S. and South Korea have been allies since the Korean War. Every year, the two nations team up for a series of military exercises, and every year it makes North Korea mad. North Korea has been launching rockets into the ocean. They are not aimed at anything or anyone in particular, but one rocket came uncomfortably close to a Chinese passenger jet.
[Paula Hancocks, Cnn Correspondent:] South Korea is calling it a very dangerous situation. The Defense Ministry says that a Chinese passenger jet, which had more than 200 people on board, flew through the trajectory of a North Korean rocket, which had been fired just seven minutes earlier. The Chinese Southern Airlines plane was flying on Tuesday from Narita in Japan to Shenyang in China. Airline officials did not respond to CNN calls for comment. The rocket was just one of seven that Pyongyang fired that day. China said they would seek verification from relevant parties and express their concern.
[Qin Gang, China Foreign Ministry:] When a relevant country conducts military drills or training, I should take measures to ensure safety of civilian aircraft or ships in the relevant era of marathon space. According to international norms.
[Hancocks:] South Korean says the North hadn`t given any navigational warning for the rockets. Pyongyang says that their recent rocket tests have "not affected international navigational order, although it made no mention of the Chinese plane. North Korean claims that these rocket tests are justified and they are in self-defense, saying that the U.S.-South Korean joint military drills, in fact, are a provocation, but on Monday the U.S. said that these rocket tests do violate U.N. Security Council resolutions. Paula Hancocks, CNN, Seoul.
[Unidentified Female:] What civil time is currently being observed throughout the U.S.? If you think you know it, shout it out! Is it: Standard time, Daylight-savings time, Central time or Atlantic Standard time? You`ve got three seconds, go. The civil time is the official time of a local region and the U.S is currently observing standard time. That`s your answer and that`s your shoutout.
[Azuz:] That all changes this Sunday when most U.S. states spring forward moving their clocks ahead one hour to daylight saving time. This year, it runs from March 9 to November 2. So it will actually spend more time in daylight saving time then we will in standard time. And we`re unlikely to get our standard amount of sleep unless we all suck out earlier on Saturday. It puzzles the day lights out of some people: Why have daylight saving time if daylight is just going to get longer any way, as the northern hemisphere approaches summer. Well, for one thing, it`s the law. Before 1966, states had different times and dates for springing forward and falling back. The Uniform Time Act was passed to get them all synched up. But unlike many other laws, if states don`t want to participate, they don`t have to. Most of the state of Arizona as well as Hawaii, don`t. So, if you go there, they`ll tell you what time it is. The idea is a lot older than the `60s, though. Ben Franklin apparently had enough time on his hands to propose saving daylight. And several countries took him up on it. Well, they did about 130 years later. World War One was on, so daylight saving time was used to help save electricity. With the sun up later, people didn`t need to turn lights till later. It stopped nationally after the war and stayed that way until Congress got around to setting times for it. But today, daylight saving time is sleepy time for many Americans, especially Monday morning after springing ahead. The Better Sleep Council says people struggle and slog around in bad moods. Sleepbetter.org says America loses hundreds of millions of dollars because workers aren`t as productive until they get used to it. They are not saying we should get rid of daylight saving time, but this sheds light on why some sleepy people might want to. The Winter Olympics are over for another four years. But the Paralympics start today in Sochi, Russia. They`ll run for the next nine days. Just like the February games we saw, this is an international competition. It`s for physically disabled athletes. It will include five sports from skiing and biathlon to hockey and curling, and it will feature almost 700 athletes from 47 countries. All of them are exceptional. They are Olympians. And one from the U.S. will have competed in both the summer and winter games.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Correspondent:] Overcoming obstacles is nothing new for Tatiana McFadden. She was born with spina bifida. That`s a birth defect that prevents the spinal court from properly closing while the baby is still in the womb. As an unwanted disabled child in St. Petersburg, Russia, Tatiana was immediately sent to an orphanage after her surgery.
[Tatyana Mcfadden, 2014 Paralympian:] I didn`t have a wheelchair, so my legs were atrophied behind my back, and I walked around on my hands all the time.
[Gupta:] Six years later, a chance visit by an American to the orphanage changed her life.
[Mcfadden:] I immediately knew that she was my mom.
[Gupta:] Adoption gave Tatyana an instant family. Her mom pushed Tatyana to participate in sports.
[Mcfadden:] Getting involved with sports, you know, saved my life. I wrote down my goals and I said I really want to be a Paralympic athlete and
[Gupta:] At 15 year old, became the youngest member of the USA track and field theme. At the Athens Paralympic Games. McFadden won four more medals in Beijing. And in London, she finally won gold. In 2013, McFadden won the Grand Slam title for marathon wheelchair racing, and then traded her wheelchair for a sitski. Now, McFadden is back in Russia where she`s competing in the Sochi Paralympic cross country Nordic skiing event. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.
[Azuz:] Poland is not the capital of Oregon, but it is the largest city in the state. Of course, the Scotts already knew that. We are talking about the Scotts, the Mascot of David Douglas High School. They are watching in Portland. In New Mexico, there are some warriors on today`s roll. They are in Gallup in the northwest part of their state at Kennedy Middle School. And over in the northeast, we are roaring for the Lions of Bassick High School. Glad to see you in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Finally today, this is one challenging workout, baby. I mean the workout baby on the left. She`s actually the instructor here, showing her dad some superman crunchies. Then grabbing a quick nap. Millions YouTube video has gotten more than a million wraps. Her credentials include a lifetime of experience, almost seven months of it. One reviewer, a fitness enthusiast, no doubt, says this will strengthen you all muscles. It might not include everything in your core routine after all. It`s just toddler robbics. It`s not a heavy lift. But baby pushups can work your criceps and no one is going to argue when you change it up. It`s OK to carry baby fat, to wear your formula, to drink your post-workout shape from a bottle. You may have to stay near your crib, but you can bench on it being fun even if it`s just child`s play. I`m Carl Azuz. I`m glad we can work this out. Hope you have a great weekend. END

[Baldwin:] Got some more breaking news for you on this Thursday afternoon. Four people are missing after this deadly plane crash. Four were killed, five were injured after this small plane went right into this building near the Wichita, Kansas, airport. This plane apparently lost engine power on takeoff, slammed into the building. And you can just see the massive, massive plumes of smoke here from a distance. A lot of unknowns at this point. We don't know how many people were on this plane. We do know that three of the injured are listed in critical condition. So let's get straight to Captain Doug Nolte with the Wichita Police Department. And, captain, let's just begin with, we know what happened to the plane, but were there people working inside of this building? I mean what's the status on those missing and injured?
[Capt. Doug Nolte, Wichita Police Department:] Yes. There were some people in the building. There was approximately 100 people who were reported in the building at the time of the crash and we're still looking for four of those. So, this could have been a lot worse than it was.
[Baldwin:] Had the plane taken off from the airport or was it trying to land?
[Nolte:] Well, at this point we aren't sure if the plane was landing or take off. That's part of the ongoing investigation. But we know it was doing one of the two when it slammed into the building.
[Baldwin:] And what exactly was this building? I'm reading it was a flight safety building. What does that mean?
[Nolte:] The flight safety building had some simulators that train pilots in it and we believe that that was what was happening is some train some pilots were being trained. When the plane struck the building, it hit the roof and it collapsed in on the building. So, as you can imagine, there's quite a bit of confusion from the people that were in the building, witnesses that were telling us what was going on, and we're trying to sort through all of that now to kind of get everyone accounted for and figure out exactly what happened.
[Baldwin:] Before I let you go, captain, I understand you're right there on the scene. Can you just describe it for me?
[Nolte:] You know, it's unfortunate that first of all we've got four confirmed dead. We want to just reach out to the families and people involved in that, and it's always heart wrenching when there's people involved that die. But secondly, it's, you know, it's incidents like this when they happen, people want answers as quick as they can, so it's confusing and that's kind of what we've run into. Fortunately right now, things have stabilized and we're able to get into more of an investigative approach on it.
[Baldwin:] Four dead, five hurt, four missing there in Wichita. Captain Doug Nolte with the police department, thank you so much for hoping on the phone. We'll stay in close contact with you and hopefully those four missing are a-OK. Thank you, sir, so much.
[Nolte:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] For the very first time, an active CEO of a Fortune 500 company has publicly acknowledged that he's gay. Apple's Tim Cook just made his announcement in the new issue of "Bloomberg Business Week." But the reaction to it is divided, especially online. On one end of the spectrum you have people saluting Cook for being visible in a world that is full of homophobia. On the other end, people just don't understand why coming out in 2014 should even be news in the first place. But to Cook it means this. Let me quote him from his opinion piece. "I am proud to be gay and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. I don't consider myself an activist, but I realize how much I've benefitted from the sacrifices of others. So if hearing that the CEO of Apple is gay can help someone struggling to come to terms with who he or she is, then it's worth the tradeoff with my own privacy." How about that? CNN's Poppy Harlow is joining me now. And I have to be totally transparent, we had a huge, you know, just discussion in my own meeting as to whether or not this is news, right?
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. A good discussion to have.
[Baldwin:] But it's kind of a big deal. He's the CEO of Apple.
[Harlow:] I think there's a few reasons. He's the first active duty CEO of one of the biggest, most recognizable companies in the world. He rarely talks, that's another reason. He rarely gives interviews. Certainly never talks about himself.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Harlow:] And this is something that he didn't want to do for a long time. He said, I'm deeply private. I just didn't want to do this. But then he said, as you read in the statement, that if this changes the lives of one other person that feels more comfortable coming out at work, then it is worth it. What stood out to me in this op-ed, Brooke, he said being gay has given him a deeper understanding of being a minority.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Harlow:] Didn't that stand out to you?
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Harlow:] That's he's more empathetic and that has given him a richer life. And that struck me because here's a white male CEO in corporate America, who's not a minority in that way, but is in this way. And he can understand people better. I want to play some sound for everyone from another CEO, Lord Browne, he was the CEO of the oil giant BP. He didn't come out until after he resigned from office as CEO and he says he regrets it. Here's why.
[Baldwin:] OK. Interesting.
[Richard Quest, Anchor, Cnn's "quest Means Business":] Do you think you would have been a better CEO if you had been out?
[John Browne, Former Ceo Of Bp:] I think I would have had better relationships with people. One of my friends, who I talk about talked to in this book, a woman, a bisexual woman, always said she said to me, we knew there was something wrong because you were so reserved and reserved people do not share what they do outside business with other members of the team. And, of course, all straight people share that. They have photographs on their desk. They have a wedding ring. They talk about the weekends. I didn't talk about any of that because it was so complicated to talk about it in a way which did not make me seem gay.
[Harlow:] What he's saying is he could not be his full self at work and he would have been a better leader if he had been his full self. And I've reported a lot on this this issue. We did a big piece on it. And they say those signs in corporate America on the walls, the diversity council meetings are good, but they're not nearly enough if it doesn't come from the top.
[Baldwin:] Also I think something he alluded to in the piece and something you and I were talking about in commercial, I don't think a lot of people realize that there are laws on the books what is it, the majority of the states?
[Harlow:] Twenty-nine states.
[Baldwin:] You can fire somebody for sexual orientation.
[Harlow:] Yes. Yes.
[Baldwin:] Did you know that?
[Harlow:] Twenty-nine states, folks. I mean most companies many companies have rules that say, we don't do this, we won't do this at this company. But even some Fortune 100 companies in America do not have those rules on the books and that means that people that are gay go to work every single day, some of them feeling like I may get fired because I'm gay. I spent time interviewing a young man who works for one of those companies and he said he is so torn because he feels like if he comes out then maybe he will lose his job or not get promoted, but at the same time he said, I know that I'm not getting promoted now because I'm so reserved, I'm not social with people, I don't really tell them who I am. So he's stuck in a hard place. So I wonder how this announcement certainly makes him feel. I mean this is the reality still in 2014. There's a law to try to change that but it's stuck in Congress.
[Baldwin:] But I think what makes this also so unique is that he said it's a gift. It's a gift.
[Harlow:] A gift from God. That's what he said.
[Baldwin:] Poppy Harlow
[Harlow:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] Thank you. Coming up next, just heartbreaking photos showing the devastating extent of the death and destruction caused by the Ebola virus in places like Liberia. My next guest was there. He captured these stunning images and he'll join me here live to talk about what it was like and what he feared the most while there and after coming home to the states. Don't miss this.

[Harlow:] All right. We're back with CNN commentator, Ben Ferguson; and CNN legal analyst, Mel Robbins. Thank you both for being here. Let's talk about the president. He will face as we all know a Republican Congress come January, but he seems determined to dispel any notion that he's become a lame duck. He just announced this historic deal to realign the U.S. relationship with Cuba back on November 21st. And before that, there was the really big climate deal with China. Ben, to you. Is this a president saying he won't be a bystander and he will "go it alone," even though some of the executive orders can be overturned by whoever the next president is?
[Ferguson:] I think it's bigger than that. I'm not listening to the American people and I know they sent new leadership to Washington and I disagree with those voters, so, therefore I'll do exactly what I want to do how I want to do it through these executive orders and that's not what the American people like in a president when they send a message that they want to go in a new direction or they don't like the way that things are going and I think this is going to end up hurting him in the long run. I think it's really going to hurt Democrats in the House and the Senate who maybe are sitting there going, hey, a bunch of our friends just packed their boxes and they were sent home. We don't want to be the next round of that in another two years, Mr. President, so we got to play by the rules of the Constitution and you're the president. You got to work with Congress. That's how it works.
[Harlow:] Ben, how do you explain Mel, you can jump in here.
[Ferguson:] Sure.
[Harlow:] How do you explain these new poll numbers? Let's pull them up, showing a President Obama, his highest approval rating since spring 2013. 48 percent. So
[Ferguson:] Sure. It's below
[Harlow:] Go ahead, Ben. Then, Mel.
[Ferguson:] It's below 50 percent. So we can't actually act like this is somehow amazing.
[Harlow:] But it's better than it was.
[Ferguson:] But it's real easy to figure out. Hold on. Hold on. It's real easy it's real easy to figure out. Where was he just a month and a half, two months ago? As soon as the gas prices dropped drastically. The average American said, "This is amazing. I like the president now more than ever."
[Harlow:] Mel, is this all gas prices?
[Robbins:] Well, you know what, I can't believe I am agreeing with Ben, as much as I adore him.
[Ferguson:] Yeah.
[Robbins:] The average American feels that in their pocketbook, and they start to feel the steady recovery that has been happening in inches. Also, you see the Dow Jones hit 18,000. But you know, one thing, yes, he does not hit above 50 percent approval rating, but his approval rating is a hell of a lot better than the 114th Congress that's coming in. And the one that he was just working with.
[Harlow:] Very true.
[Robbins:] So, you know, I don't I don't think that he's a lame duck. I do think that he's going to continue to go forward, Poppy, as you suggested, by executive order and making these big games that a lot of Americans will agree with, immigration reform, relaxing all of the restrictions with Cuba. Even though the Affordable Care Act is something that most Republicans can't stand and a lot of Americans don't want to, you know aren't that happy with it either. It would be a huge mistake for Republicans to focus on trying to repeal that. So I don't I think that you're going to see these numbers climb. And as long as gas stays at two bucks or less
[Ferguson:] Yes.
[Robbins:] there's not going to be a lot of people complaining about this president.
[Harlow:] Ben, to you, looking ahead to 2015, what is the number-one thing you would like to see the president work with Congress on and not go it alone on.
[Ferguson:] Well, I think there's two things. One, immigration reform. I mean, there are a lot of congressmen that were sent home and a lot of congressmen that are now going to get a new job in Washington over the issue of immigration. He has to work with Congress and do it in a way where the American people get to sound off through their elected officials. He is not a dictator. He does not get to decide policy, as big as immigration reform, from the White House. And I think he understands that. The issue is he doesn't like what Congress is going to want to do with it. And so if he's smart on this, he leads on it. He has a he has a platform that I think a lot of people are very interested in hearing in a positive way. If he walks up to Capitol Hill and invites them, and says, all right, where can we get along, there are a lot of areas. But as long as he says I'm going to do it through executive action, it's going to be a disaster and it's going to be more Americans frustrated with it, you're going to see more gridlock, you're going to see more fighting and then nothing will get done on the issue.
[Harlow:] Let's hope it gets done in 2015 and not gridlock.
[Ferguson:] Yeah.
[Harlow:] Guys, thank you. Stick around. Interesting story we talk about next. A look at a very controversial new state law that requires drug testing on welfare recipients being tested out of Michigan. The details ahead. But first, this. Fareed Zakaria with a look at President Obama's special initiative that examines the human brain.
[Fareed Zakaria, Cnn Host, Fareed Zakaria, Gps:] President Obama announced the brain initiative in 2013. It's an effort to show how the brain's neurological circuits work together in real-time.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] It won't be easy, but think about what we could do once we do crack this code.
[Zakaria:] Is it more difficult to map the brain than it was to map the human genome, which took about initially 10 or 15 years?
[Michio Kaku, Physics Professor, City University Of New York:] It will take a lot of time. Realize that the human genome project only talked about maybe 20,000 genes or so that govern the human body. The brain has 100 billion neurons, each connected to 10,000 other neurons. That's as many stars as there are in the Milky Way galaxy, and so it will take time.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour. Here's what we know about Edward Snowden right now, the self-confessed National Security Agency leaker. On Sunday he was seen on a plane from Hong Kong to Moscow. Beyond that, nothing is completely clear. The White House, which wants him brought to justice, says that it assumes he's still in Russia and reports from there say he's possibly at the Moscow airport transit area. Snowden had checked in for an Aeroflot flight to Havana. Several journalists made the flight; apparently Snowden did not. Of course, he could be on a later flight; we just don't know. There's no love lost between Presidents Putin and Obama and this has been an opportunity for Moscow to poke the U.S. in the eye again. As for China, which let Snowden leave from Hong Kong, his allegations of U.S. surveillance on China was a propaganda coup against U.S. complaints of Chinese cyber-hacking. And as for Snowden's final stop, well, presumed final stop, Ecuador says that it's considering his request for asylum. And in a press conference from Hanoi, the foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, lashed out at the United States.
[Ricardo Patino, Foreign Minister, Ecuador:] In the last few days, there have been mentioned the words treason. We will have to ask who has betrayed who.
[Amanpour:] So neither Ecuador nor the other transit countries we mentioned are friends of the United States, nor are they friends of freedom of the press. In a moment, I'll speak to Britain's foreign secretary, William Hague, about the Snowden affair and, of course, other matters. But first to CNN's Paula Newton, who's in Ecuador's capital, Quito, which now finds itself the center of a political storm. Paula, what is the reaction there to people, now that they know that he has decided to try to come over to there?
[Paula Newton, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I think at this point ambivalence is the best thing that you could say. That's not to say there are not strong reactions on either side. But having said that, people here taking a wait-and-see attitude, they want to know what this does for Ecuador and what it does for the country's reputation and, quite frankly, Christiane, the country's finances. Having said that, you know, Ecuador is part of a long list of countries, a good handful right now, that like nothing better than to thumb their nose at the United States and by doing this they certainly have put themselves on the map. The Ecuadoran government making it very clear that, look, we are considering this request for his refugee status, for him to have that landed in refugee status here in Ecuador on the basis that he would prosecuted if he entered the United States. Christiane?
[Amanpour:] Well, Paula, like you are all going to be waiting to see what his final destination is. Thank you. And Britain's foreign secretary William Hague has some experience with these kinds of cases because WikiLeaks' Julian Assange was also wanted by the U.S. for leaked secrets. He's holed up at the Ecuador embassy in London. I spoke to Hague from the United Nations, where he's chairing a major debate on violence against women in war. We spoke about all these issues, including what the West has decided if anything to do about helping the Syrian opposition level the battlefield. Foreign Secretary, thank you very much for joining me.
[William Hague, Foreign Secretary Of Great Britain:] It's a pleasure.
[Amanpour:] Obviously the United States is extremely worried about the secrets that have been leaked. They're concerned also that maybe even China or Russia had an opportunity to somehow download the computers he's carrying. Are you concerned about that information getting out?
[Hague:] Well, I'm not going to comment on any of the detail of leaked information or whether it's true or false or therefore any degree of concern about it. I will say that said in our Parliament that everything that we do takes place at a very strong legal framework. That's the position in the United States as well. We have two of the strongest frameworks of law and accountability of any countries in the world, for what we do on intelligence matters.
[Amanpour:] All right. Well, let's move on to Syria. There was a Friends of Syria meeting over the weekend, foreign ministers from the group were in Qatar. And of course there is a notion that perhaps the United States will start arming in some way the rebels. I want to ask from Britain's point of view, your prime minister has been very forward-leaning so have you on the need to do something and yet I hear that the security establishment in Britain is not in favor of arming the Syrian opposition on the ground. What kind of a dilemma does that pose for the British government?
[Hague:] Well, let's forget, we are in favor of giving assistance and more assistance to the Syrian opposition, to the national coalition, what we might call the democratic, sensible opposition in Syria, and we're doing that in many ways. We give an enormous amount of humanitarian assistance. We're sending them, at the moment, equipment that save lives. We're sending body armor. We're sending vehicles that are bulletproofed. We're sending communications equipment, water purification equipment and things of this kind. So the U.K. is already committed to give that support and to increase that support over the coming months. And at the Friends of Syria meeting, which I attended in Doha, there were 11 countries there who give their assistance in different ways. And this is the way that we're doing it at the moment in the United Kingdom.
[Amanpour:] Well, then, let me ask you a direct question. Will Britain arm the rebels, the moderates that you have just talked about right now, you're obviously instrumental in getting the E.U. to lift the arms embargo. Will you arm them?
[Hague:] We haven't taken any decision about that, is the answer to that. I was absolutely instrumental in getting the E.U. to lift the arms embargo but also said at the time on that same day that we wouldn't be doing so at this stage and that we hadn't taken any decision to do that. What we wanted to create, as I explained at the time, was flexibility in policy. After all, the European Union has set its sanctions regime for 12 months now. And we want the flexibility over that time to change our policy if necessary. But we haven't taken any decision to do that. We would go to our Parliament with it if we did take such a decision. So we haven't done that. But we are helping in very many other ways. You know, it is not just a question about arms.
[Amanpour:] Except for you clearly want to change the balance of power on the ground. It appears that the West, you, the French, others and the United States have been very well, not surprised, maybe, but don't want to see the Assad regime winning as they did with support from Hezbollah and Iran and Qusayr and perhaps other places. So I just want to ask you to listen to this little bit of an interview with the Free Syrian Army commander. He told me this just a week ago.
[Gen. Salim Idriss, Syrian Oppositioin Forces:] If the balance on the ground doesn't change, there will be no Geneva conference. There will be no peace talks.
[Amanpour:] What is your reaction to that?
[Hague:] Well, I think there are two things to say to that. One is that it's very important for the regime and the opposition to be ready to go to Geneva and for them all to remember that if the Geneva conference takes place, it will be based on what we agree that Geneva [inaudible]. The only thing we really agree that Geneva last year, which is that a transitional government should be created in Syria with full executive authority made up from the regime and the opposition by mutual consent. But I do agree that a political solution requires a better situation on the ground for the opposition. That is what we said together at Doha. I say again that different country among the Friends of Syria will help in different ways. And the United Kingdom is giving a lot of help of the kind that I have described. Clearly there are other countries the United States has spoken about direct military support. And clearly the opposition do receive direct military support from other nations as well.
[Amanpour:] Well, they do indeed. And to that point, I'd like you to react to something that the Syrian foreign minister has said just recently about arming the opposition.
[Walid Moallem, Syrian Foreign Minister:] Technically they'll be arming the Nusra Front. I ask everyone to go and click on the Facebook page of the Nusra Front and see what they boast about. They behead, kill and eat the hearts of their opponents and they publicly post these videos online.
[Amanpour:] Your reaction to the Syrian foreign minister?
[Hague:] We must not fall for the propaganda of the Syrian regime. You know, the problems in Syria did not begin from outside, were not created from outside. This was the people of Syria who many millions of whom clearly want dignity for themselves and their country. They want political freedom. They want economic opportunity, the things they haven't had under the Assad regime. And that is something that people all over the world can identify with and, yes, some terrible things have happened, including on both sides. The most of those things have happened at the hands of the regime that has butchered and tortured tens of thousands of its own people. So we must never fall for the propaganda of a regime that would have us believe that a vast part of the population of their own country are fanatical extremists.
[Amanpour:] And finally, you are in New York at the United Nations as part of your work on behalf of violence against women or combating violence against women. What progress has been made insofar as making rape as a tool of war illegal?
[Hague:] Well, we're making some progress. And I was pleased that this morning we agreed a new resolution of the U.N. Security Council, Resolution 2106, that strengthens the work of the United Nations on this, I think over the last year, we've succeeded in bringing a lot more global attention on this. The fact that more than 50 countries wanted to speak today here at the United Nations is a really encouraging sign. We've got the G8 nations in April to agree a declaration together. We're now deploying British experts into different parts of the world to help gather evidence of crimes of sexual violence in conflict. So I think this work has begun well over the last year. My ambition is to shift the entire global attitude on these subjects and to shatter the idea of impunity for rape and sexual violence in conflict.
[Amanpour:] Certainly many women will be really pleased to hear that. And what can you say specifically to the women of Afghanistan, who are really terrified once the international forces pull out, particularly if there's some kind of agreement that allows the Taliban any kind of political reemergence in Afghanistan? They're very, very worried about violence and their rights being taken away.
[Hague:] Well, in Afghanistan, as anywhere in the world, women's rights are a fundamental part of human rights and of course, the commitment to those who set out in the Afghan constitution, what we want to see in any peace process is the Taliban turning into violence, break links with Al Qaeda and accept the constitution of Afghanistan. And then it matter how people interpret that and work with that over the years and decades to come. And Afghanistan will be a stronger society and a more peaceful society if women are more heavily involved.
[Amanpour:] Foreign Secretary William Hague, thank you very much for joining me.
[Hague:] Thank you very much indeed.
[Amanpour:] And you can check out our website for Mr. Hague's assessment of the new Iranian president and whether he opens a window for a diplomatic solution to the crisis over the country's nuclear program. And after a break, if Russia plans to use the Snowden affair to raise questions about free expression in America, doesn't that sound a little bit like the pot calling the kettle black? I'll speak to the son of Russia's most famous political prisoner when we return.

[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] And that is where we begin this NEW DAY SUNDAY. Live from San Francisco on the crash of flight 214.
[Unidentified Male:] The back end is hit and flies up in the air, and everybody but Ted goes up to the ceiling.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Anchor:] Well, the crash was fatal, it seems a miracle that more didn't die. You'll hear one survivor's terrifying story.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] And as more images and more answers emerge, there's still the question, who's responsible? A former transportation chief says she has the answer.
[Brown:] Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. I'm Pamela Brown.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. 6:00 here on the East Coast, 3:00 in San Francisco. Thanks for starting this NEW DAY with us.
[Brown:] And we start our special coverage this morning in San Francisco, and that's where an Asiana Airlines flight bounced down a runway and burst into flames. At least two people are dead and nearly 200 others are injured.
[Blackwell:] Yes, some had just bumps and bruises, but others are in critical condition this morning. We know that there were some people with spinal injuries and there's a huge range that come in that category. There's one child from that flight that was in critical condition, still in critical condition. Miguel Marquez joins us live from the San Francisco International Airport. Miguel, good morning. What do we know?
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, good morning. The CEO of Asiana Airlines saying that it was not engine failure for this plane, leaving the obvious, that perhaps there was human error that happened here. We also know that some of the survivors were found in the water of this accident and the flight crew on this plane actually asked some of the emergency responders for knives so they could cut people loose from their seats.
[Marquez:] 11:34 a.m., Asiana Flight 214 had been in the air just over 10 hours. Passengers report the pilot increased engine power seconds before crashing.
[Elliott Stone, Passenger On Flight 214:] It seemed like we were a little bit high and, like, we could see the tarmac down below us and so we were coming down kind of sharp. And then, right when it started to coast, like for the landing, all of a sudden the engine all
[Marquez:] The plane's tail struck the sea wall at the very start of the runway 28 left. The tail disintegrated, the engine on the left wing disappeared. The plane whipping sideways across the runway. Witnesses report hearing an explosion, then a large fireball. The plane's fuselage, mostly intact, finally came to a stop. The right engine next to the fuselage, smoking.
[Stone:] The back end was hit, flies up in the air and everybody's head goes up to the ceiling and then it just kind of drifted for a little bit, probably a good 300 yards, then tips over, the fire starts. Everybody's, you know, pushing the doors out.
[Marquez:] From the violent landing, passengers started to emerge. On this video, shot by a witness in the terminal, you can see the plane's emergency chutes deployed and people using them to get off the plane. And in this video from passenger David Yoon, a Samsung executive, it shows people, some of them even holding on to their bags, as they staggered from the plane. His tweet is shocking as the incident itself "I just crash landed at SFO. Tail ripped off. Everyone seems fine. I'm OK. Surreal." Witnesses shocked that anyone could survive.
[Unidentified Male:] Just pancaked immediately. And then it just kept sliding and sliding and sliding and then it finally stopped and you could see how the fuselage had kept buckling and buckling many times. I'm surprised it didn't come apart altogether. And it was unreal.
[Marquez:] Helicopter pictures show the trail of destruction, the impact on the stone embankment at the runway's beginning. One set of landing gear, wheels. The plane stabilizers, the very tip of the tail, debris from the plane littering the runway. Officials say there was no sign of trouble before the plane crashed. The weather, ideal, a clear day. All traffic using visual flight rules to land.
[Tower:] Asiana 214 San Francisco tower
[Marquez:] Air traffic controllers can be heard guiding in Asiana 214 and then you can hear others in the room alerting to the crash and the stress in the voice of the air traffic controller as the emergency unfolds.
[Tower:] What happened over there?
[Marquez:] Air traffic controllers continue talking to the pilot of the now crashed Asiana 214, assuring the pilot that emergency personnel are responding.
[Tower:] Asiana 214, heavy emergency vehicles are responding. We have everyone on their way.
[Marquez:] Passenger Elliott Stone says some of the injured were thrown from the plane.
[Stone:] Twenty minutes later, this lady just appears from like 500 yards away, just like crippled, just walking in the plane. So, we start running over and there's like another five bodies that were like 500 yards away that nobody saw. And so we're running over there calling the ambulance and stuff. But the ambulances took like 20, 30 minutes to get there. It was pretty ridiculous.
[Marquez:] Despite the clear day, pilots say landing at San Francisco International can be tricky. This Google Earth image shows the final approach, runway 28 left and right close to each other. The runway starting right at the water's edge. Now, the Asiana CEO also telling CNN that there was no emergency indication given to passengers before that plane landed, confirming what we believe, that there was that passengers knew nothing before that plane crashed. The National Transportation Safety Board investigators are on the ground and a team, an investigative team from Seoul are also on their way here. Back to you guys.
[Brown:] All right. Miguel Marquez, thank you so much. And we have heard that even though passengers weren't warned of something happening, they had a hunch.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Brown:] We've heard several passengers say they had a hunch something just wasn't right upon landing.
[Blackwell:] Chaos, then quiet, and then that rush out of the plane, yes.
[Brown:] Well, Flight 214 was one of Boeing's 777 model jets. The aircraft manufacturer released a statement and here's what it says. It saying "Boeing extends its deepest condolences to the families and friends of those who perished in the Asiana Airlines Flight 214 accident in San Francisco, as well as its wishes for the recovery of those injured. Boeing will join the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board at their request to provide technical assistance to their investigation." And speaking of, the go team for the NTSB has now arrived on the scene of the crash. Their official Twitter account sent out this image right here earlier this morning. And take a look here. You can see investigator right outside the plane examining what remains, but it's what this other picture we're about to show you. It shows inside the plane. This is what's so striking. You can get a closer look inside the charted plane. And as you see there in the back right, where the Twitter sign is
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Brown:] You can see those oxygen masks deployed and the rows of seating thrown about inside that plane. Tough to see, but if you look up close
[Blackwell:] If we can keep this picture up.
[Brown:] Yes.
[Blackwell:] I mean just imagine, so many of us fly for jobs or travel. This is the summer travel season. You're inside that plane and you kind of listen to the instructions, but this is what happens when those are important. The plane goes dark. Those seats I don't know if you can tell on your television are kind of slammed over. As Pamela said, the masks have fallen, the overhead luggage has fallen, there's smoke, there's fire. I mean that is the worst nightmare of anyone who flies, but imagine being in this. And 305 of the 307 leave with their lives. Of course, we know this morning that, unfortunately, two Chinese women did die, but
[Brown:] But it's amazing when you look at this that there weren't more fatalities and more injuries.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Brown:] And San Francisco General Hospital, well, it's the only level one trauma center in the city. And as you can imagine, they've been inundated with some of these injured patients.
[Blackwell:] They had been, right after the crash, the staff pitched tents outside the ER to handle this huge rush of patients. And that's where CNN's Sara Sidner is, right outside the hospital. What do we know about the number of patients and their injuries there at that hospital, Sara?
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, we know that there were 26 children and 27 adults who have been treated here at San Francisco General. We know there were 45 patients treated at Stanford Medical Center, which is another level one trauma center, which is about 45 minutes south of here. And so we know 52 patients here, 45 there, a total of 182 patients that have been taken to 11 bay area hospitals. We can tell you about some of the injuries because the hospital spokesman came out several hours ago and just talked about some of the injuries that they have been treating. Many of them are, you know, cuts and bruises, but also broken bones, spinal injuries, so we're talking very serious injuries, and then we do know that six people have been in critical condition. They're also dealing with internal injuries, very dangerous as well. And so we're waiting to find out just exactly how many patients are still inside. We know that six have been released from San Francisco General and six are in critical condition. I want to let you listen to one of the passengers who survived this
[Blackwell:] All right, so clearly we're having some problems with Sara's shot, but we do know, again, as she said, 52 people at that hospital, 26 of them children.
[Brown:] Oh, unbelievable. And one in critical condition. And as she said, there's a range of injuries from very serious injuries, like spinal cord injuries, to bumps and bruises.
[Blackwell:] And especially with these children, you know, some of the injuries you can see. Some of the injuries you can repair with some medication or an ointment or surgery. But when you're that young, there are probably some psychological injuries as well that we won't be able to see just yet.
[Brown:] Emotional scars.
[Blackwell:] But we'll try to get back to Sara at San Francisco general hospital.
[Brown:] And flight 214 originated in Shanghai right before stopping in Seoul, Korea, the home base for Asiana Airlines. From there it was a scheduled nonstop flight to San Francisco.
[Blackwell:] Yes, Diana Magnay is in Seoul with the latest response on this deadly crash. What do we know at this hour from the officials there, either from the government or from Asiana Airlines?
[Diana Magnay, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Asiana Airlines, the CEO has given a press conference talking about what he knows. He says he doesn't think that this was engine failure. This was one of their newer planes bought in 2006, this 777. And obviously we've heard also from transport officials here that it would be easy to locate the black box, seeing as this plane crashed on the runway. But it may take as long as two years to actually fathom out what the cause is. And there are a team of Korean investigators on route to San Francisco right now to help the NTSB in their investigation. The CEO really just an abject apology to the people involved. Let's just take a listen to what he said.
[Unidentified Male:] I am very sorry to worry families of passengers, as well as our people. I bow my head in apology.
[Magnay:] He said that the pilots were extremely experienced. The lead pilot, who was flying at the time, was a veteran pilot of Asiana. He had been with the company since 1996, had around 10,000 flight hours, and some more details about those two teenaged Chinese girls who lost their lives in this accident.
[Brown:] So sad. Diana Magnay reporting for us from Seoul, South Korea. Thank you.
[Blackwell:] Well, as Diana told us, the South Korean officials are in route, but the U.S. officials, NTSB investigators, are on the ground now trying to figure out why Flight 214 crash landed yesterday. After the break, we'll talk with a former transportation department inspector general who says the explanation is already clear to her.

[Pereira:] @ THIS HOUR just into the newsroom, a Russian military plane came very close to a U.S. warship in the Black Sea. Barbara Starr is at the Pentagon to give us an idea of what we know Barbara?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] News just coming here at the Pentagon about this encounter that actually happened on Saturday. A Russian air force SU-24 came very close, made 12 passes over a 90- minute period near the "USS Donald Cook," which is on training and maneuvers in the Black Sea. Of course, this is all about Ukraine. The U.S. Navy has put a ship into the Black Sea to reassure the European allies there that are nervous about Russia's moves about Ukraine. On Saturday, the Russians apparently responded, making those 12 passes alongside the "Donald Cook." We are told the Russian plane didn't fly directly over the deck of the U.S. Navy warship but flew close enough to get the attention, that the ship called the Russians and tried to reach the cockpit and say back off. The Pentagon this morning calling this provocative and unprofessional. No indication that the fighter jet had missiles under its wings but this is the kind of military activity that the U.S. does not like to see, of course, because when forces get too close to each other you can have accidents. You can have miscalculation. You can have misinterpretation. This was just not what the U.S. wants to see right now in this area of such heightened tensions Michaela?
[Pereira:] Heightened tensions clearly being seen as a provocation. Barbara Starr, thank you so much for that. We want to stay with the situation in Russia now where pro-Russian protesters in Ukraine have taken over a police building. This is the tenth town in eastern Ukraine where they've occupied government buildings. They're ignoring a government deadline to put down their weapons and get out of those buildings or face a major anti-terror operation. While things have been getting rougher on the streets, there's been no major confrontation yet. Our Nick Paton Walsh is in Donetsk. We're curious. I think people are wondering how long this standoff can continue.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it seems to be getting worse. I should just give you something we've noticed very strangely here in the city center of Donetsk. Two helicopters, both seemingly military, one certainly an attack helicopter escorting another flew right over the city center. We can only presume their Ukrainian. But of course, that just reminds people quite how on edge this entire region is. We saw this morning a deadline pass which the interim president of Ukraine said the protesters had to give up their weapons and give up the buildings they've been occupying. No indication they're doing that at all. Instead, we heard from Kiev the suggestion perhaps of holding out the possibility that they might consider a referendum on the future of eastern Ukraine, oddly, to be held on the same day as the presidential election. Surely confusing short for voters. But today, we see those protesters moving further towards the buildings, different towns. Two or three more towns today were reporting difficulties. An extremely tense situation here. I've just been to the local regional administration here in Donetsk in the city center. It's clear they're not even expecting a siege from police any more. So Ukrainian police officers walking calmly past. The question here, as we hear this messy response from Kiev, where is the Ukrainian government in all of this Carol?
[Pereira:] I don't think it's actually, Michaela. No problem, Nick. We know, from afar, it's difficult to tell the voices. Not a problem. Great reporting, stay safe. Keep us updated on the situation there in Ukraine. Ahead @ THIS HOUR, back to our top story. Why did search crews work so long to drop the sub into the water to look for flight 370? That's one of your great questions we'll put to one of our experts next.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] And here we go. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being here with me here. You know, we want to begin with this. If the threats from some North Korean hackers didn't scare you and the power of free speech compelled you to run out and snap up Christmas Day tickets to the year's most controversial movie, well, we have some news for you. You won't be able to you won't be the first to catch it. Sony has just decided to release "The Interview" today. And you won't even have to leave your house to watch it. It is available right now for purchase on YouTube, Google Play, Microsoft's xBox video and at a price cheaper than what you will pay at those independent movie theaters, who just got the green light to screen the film tomorrow. So let's talk about this with CNN's Pamela Brown and also let's begin on the phone, I have Brian Stelter, CNN senior media correspondent, host of "Reliable Sources," who has been breaking news all over the place on this one. So, Brian Stelter, to you. You know, some of my producers and writers have actually been trying to go online, have had some troubles trying to get on to watch this film. What are you hearing about the rollout here online?
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] It's going OK, Brooke, but there is a lot of interest in it. Some websites are faring better than others. YouTube seems to be faring pretty well, for example, but Sony also created its own website for this. They call it seetheinterview.com, as if it was some gigantic special event, which I guess that it is. And that website has had a hard time staying online, presumably because a lot of people are trying to access it all at the same time.
[Baldwin:] So let me just read this tweet. You know, Seth Rogen and James Franco have been all a twitter over this and so this is the latest from Seth Rogen. "I need to say that a comedy is best viewed in a theater full of people. So, if you can, I'd watch it like that, or call some friends over." So, Pam Brown, to you. I mean they're obviously still pushing the theater option. What has been the reaction? I talked to a theater owner, you know, yesterday out of Charleston, South Carolina, and he told me he wasn't too worried about this online release. What have others said to you?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, we spoke to a theater owner, Westin Cinema, in D.C., and he basically is just focused on the fact that he's showing the movie tomorrow, on Christmas Day, and he's excited about it. In fact, they have been inundated with calls and all of the tickets are sold out for tomorrow, Brooke, for this movie at this particular theater. And so they're thinking about adding more showings of it tomorrow and moving forward. So that just gives you an idea of the response, how people are responding to the fact that these theaters are stepping up to the plate and showing the movie after the major movie chains backed out initially last weekend after we heard that announcement from Sony that they won't be releasing it. Now this huge turn of events just in the past 24 hours and there has been an outpouring. I think for a lot of people it's a way to take a stand for free speech. I think that's what's driving a lot of this. And just pure curiosity too after all the hype over this movie, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Totally. I keep saying this over and over and over, but you can't buy this kind of buzz. I mean who who would have thunk
[Brown:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] That, you know, the notion of holding onto one of these, you know, ticket stubs or movie posters will probably bring in a dollar or two. Brian Stelter, what about, though, in terms of cold hard cash, you know, if you have people watching this online, what kind of profits will Sony now make from this?
[Stelter:] Yes. You know, you've heard of turning lemons into lemonade. This is turning controversy into cash. You know, they're charging $6 to rent it, $15 to buy it. So, imagine, if you got a few million people renting this movie, you're talking about serious money. The fact that the president of the United States has weighed in, in the past hour, is so telling, Brooke. I mean it shows how wild this story has been. The White House issued a statement saying the president welcomes the news that people will be able to decide for themselves whether to see this movie and it goes on to say, he appreciates Sony's work on this. You know, last week he criticized Sony, said they made a mistake by canceling. So clearly he's now showing some support. And the most important line in his statement is this one. "With today's announcement, people can now make their own choices about the film and that's how it should be." Brooke, a lot of people don't care about this movie. The point is that people now have the choice. It hasn't been censored or restricted by outside hackers.
[Baldwin:] All right, true. Pam, finally to you. You know, when this goes into wider release tomorrow, right, at some of these cities and some of these municipalities, are people at all taking precaution? I mean are security measures, is that even something they're thinking about at all?
[Brown:] Absolutely it is. And, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you see police officers at some of these theaters where the movie will be showing. We know that police departments have been in coordination with some of these theaters and the FBI has as well. In fact, there was a notice sent out last night, Brooke, after the news came out that these theaters would be showing the movie asking cyber task forces and joint terrorism task force agents to team up and reach out to some of these theaters and educate them on what the possible threat may be and talk to them about some of the safeguards they can put into place to ensure that they're safe and the movie goers are safe, those who want to go see the movie tomorrow, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Pamela Brown, thank you very much. Brian Stelter, on the phone with me on this Christmas Eve, my thanks to both of you. And North Korea, highly suspected in this Sony hack, we've talked about that. The Internet in that country has gone down and this is all just days after President Obama warned, you remember, in that end of the year news conference of this proportional response from his administration for this act of cyberterrorism. But how exactly did hackers break into Sony's computer system? Tom Foreman has that.
[Unidentified Female:] Take him out.
[Unidentified Male:] You want us to kill the leader of North Korea?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] What?
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] A hack, such as the one on Sony, can start with a list of names like the credits for a film, only this list would be of employees. Hackers would scrutinize that list for people who work on the targeted company's computer network, sorting out their relationships with information from FaceBook and LinkedIn and even figuring out which projects they're involved with. Security specialist Alex Mcgeorge helps companies understand how it works.
[Alex Mcgeorge, Security Specialist:] Once you've got a list of people that you think are going to have this level of access, that's who you then target for spearfishing.
[Foreman:] Spearfishing is when a hacker sends an e-mail to a specific person that seems to be coming from a legitimate colleague. And I look at it and because it's from someone I know, I open the e-mail. Not only that, because the subject makes sense, I then click on the attachment and that's critical, right?
[Mcgeorge:] Right. So now you're going to a webpage that I designed and it's, as you'll notice, as it renders here, it's going to look legitimate.
[Foreman:] But that website is installing malicious software. And in seconds, the target's computer is under the hacker's control. Oh, look at that.
[Mcgeorge:] That is your desktop.
[Foreman:] And now my computer is showing up on your computer.
[Mcgeorge:] Exactly right.
[Foreman:] And you can see exactly what I'm up to.
[Mcgeorge:] Exactly right.
[Foreman:] The hacker can read e-mails, look at projects, reports, budgets, pictures, even record your every key stroke.
[Mcgeorge:] So in realtime, I see exactly what you're typing on your screen. And this is how we get passwords.
[Foreman:] This is a simple version of what appears to have been a much more elaborate scheme in the case of Sony.
[Michael Lynton, Ceo, Sony Entertainment:] Both the FBI and
[Foreman:] And yet the cost of this hack may ultimately prove much harder to calculate. Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
[Baldwin:] Tom, thank you so much. Coming up here on CNN, U.S. strikes against ISIS take a terrifying turn. Militants capture a pilot, part of this U.S.-led coalition, after his plane went down over Syria. What this means for the fight against ISIS moving ahead. And next, another deadly officer involved shooting and even more protests, but as the mayor of the city points out, look at the facts. Folks, this is not Ferguson. The officer had a gun pointed directly at him and the whole thing was caught on tape. We will talk to the mayor of Berkeley, Missouri, who will set the facts straight, right after the break.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer reporting today from Washington. It doesn't seem to matter where you are in the United States today. We all have one thing in common, pretty much miserable weather. If you're headed to the airport, pack your patience. More than a thousand flights already have been canceled today. On the roads, it's no better. This was the scene in Yonkers, New York outside New York City. Police say 30 people were injured in a 24-plus car pile-up on the Bronx River Parkway late last night. One reminder, falling ice also posing a huge threat. A sheet of melting ice fell to the ground in Plano, Texas, damaging at least eight parked cars. Thankfully no people were on street at the time. CNN is covering all these developing weather stories for you. Our meteorologist, Chad Myers, will be joining us in a moment with the forecast. Let's go to CNN's Rosa Flores first. She's watching the comings and goings out there on the New Jersey turnpike. What's going on out there, Rosa?
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, one of the things that we're dealing with is low visibility so all the drivers out there are using their low beams. There is precipitation in certain areas so they're using the windshield wipers. And it's cold. It's in the 30s. So, they're also cranking up the heat. Let me set the scene for you. Take a look. You can see that visibility is low. The clouds are low. So, drivers are being very careful out there. You're taking a look at the New Jersey turnpike. Traffic is moving at a pretty good clip right now. Now, the Office of Emergency Management tells us that they're dealing with two things, the southern part of New Jersey, they're dealing with ponding and flooding. And in the northern parts of the state, they're dealing with snow, sleet, ice on the roads so it can be pretty treacherous. The Department of Transportation said that they were preparing for the absolute worst. They have about 2,000 pieces of equipment that can spread salt or that can plow the roads. They used 800 overnight and right now, they are assessing the situation. I talked to state police, as well. They tell me there are no major accidents in the state right now. But, of course, they're monitoring that situation. We talked to a couple of drivers just so they could tell us a little bit about the road conditions. And here's what one had to say.
[Michael Hancox:] It wasn't too bad. It was just really slow going. Cars the speed was about 10 to 15 miles per hour for quite a long time. And then, the Delaware Memorial Bridge was closed for a while because there was an accident on it. So, it took about seven hours to go what normally takes two hours.
[Flores:] And here's the bad news. More snow is expected, Wolf, so the state assessing the situation right now to develop a plan for the coming hours and, of course, for tomorrow, as well Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Rosa, thanks very much. Let's get the forecast. Chad Myers is standing by at the CNN Severe Weather Center. Much of the U.S. experiencing these miserable freezing weather conditions at the same time, is that right, Chad?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes. You know, we have blizzards going on in the Dakotas, temperatures, wind while factors 20, 30 degrees below zero. In the Northeast, snows like this. Snow totals from Newark, Delaware at 12 inches. And even into Philadelphia had eight inches of snow with this. LaGuardia, Newark, Philadelphia all slow and that's going to be the story for the rest of the day. This isn't going to get better really today. We will see another round of snow tomorrow for you, Wolf. Four to fix more inches for BWY, for DCA, up to Philadelphia. It's not here now but another storm, another small low is running up the same place that the low moved up this weekend. We're not going to see enough ice or as much ice in D.C. as we saw. This is going to be a snow event. Snow covering up the icy stuff that's already there so you can't see it. It starts to snow tomorrow morning in D.C. I suspect there will be many school closings. All the way up to BWI, in Baltimore, into Philadelphia and then offshore. This is a quick hitter. This is come it's gone in 12 hours from when it starts. But four to six inches in 12 hours will put the beltway, will put a lot of roads at a standstill. Now, it's gone on Wednesday, it's completely gone. And here's the cold we talked about. Minot, it is three below zero. That's the thermometer. That's when you look at that red alcohol in the thermometer, it says 3 below. When you walk outside, your face feels like 21 below. And so do all the pets and all the animals out there. Make sure the pets have some kind of cover from this wind. Make sure that they have water or at least maybe just bring them inside if you can, Wolf. This is really cold.
[Blitzer:] Excellent advice from Chad as usual. Chad, thank you. We'll stay on top of the weather story for all of our viewers. Nearly 100 world leaders are making the trek to South Africa right now to honor Nelson Mandela. Crowds continue to gather outside Mandela's home to mourn his death and to celebrate his life. Tomorrow, as many as 80,000 people will pack the soccer stadium in Johannesburg for the official memorial service. One of the last known photos of Mandela has now been made public. The touching image shows the iconic leader holding hands with his three-year-old grandson that was taken, by the way, in May. And last hour, Archbishop Desmond Tutu took part in a special tribute t Mandela. In his remarks, he said, what a fantastic gift god gave us gave to us in this Mandela. President Obama is among those heading heads of state traveling to South Africa right now. The president and the first lady left this morning aboard Air Force One. They're accompanied by the former President George W. Bush and Laura Bush and the former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. They'll be joined in South Africa by Bill Clinton and former President Jimmy Carter and Mrs. Carter. Our White House Correspondent Brianna Keilar is standing by. Brianna, what do we know about the president's itinerary and his specific role in the memorial service?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, he will be among six foreign dignitaries who will be giving remarks during what is really an extensive program to take place in South Africa honoring Nelson Mandela. He is on this historic flight to what we're expecting will be the largest gathering of world leaders in Africa's history. He is preparing his remarks as we speak. We're told by a White House official that this is not something that he had worked on until he was, I guess, instructed or invited by the South African government to make these remarks at the memorial service. But there's also another sort of historic element to this trip, this flight that President Obama is on right now, Wolf. Imagine this, sitting around the conference table of the private conference room on board Air Force One, the Obamas as well as former President George W. Bush and first lady Laura Bush and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, also, of course, the former first lady. And all of them were told by a White House official discussing their various experiences with Nelson Mandela which span over three administrations. So, quite a conversation you'd want to be a fly on the wall for. And we are expecting, as well, that President Obama may be touching base with Nelson Mandela's wife, Graca Machel, when he's in South Africa. This is something he wants to do. White House officials say they're trying to make it happen. It's not definite at this point but certainly something that he is interested in doing, Wolf. And also, of course, this is such a logistical feat when you think of all of these world leaders going to South Africa and just how big of an effort this is to get President Obama there. But we're told by the secret service, Wolf, that because Nelson Mandela has been ill for so long, unfortunately, this is something they had some time to plan for.
[Blitzer:] There could be a little diplomatic awkwardness up on the podium there. I'm looking at the official program that has now been released by the South African government, Brianna. We see President Obama will pay special tribute. These are tributes by foreign dignitaries, as you point out. Six of them have been selected. The leaders from the U.S., Brazil, the vice president of China, Namibia, India and President
[Keilar:] Cuba.
[Blitzer:] Raul Castro of Cuba is going to be up on the same stage with the president of the United States. I wonder if they'll shake hands, if they'll exchange words. Could be a little awkward since the U.S. does not have the full diplomatic relations with Cuba and still Cuba is regarded as a state sponsor of international terrorism. Have they said anything about at the White House about this?
[Keilar:] The White House has not commented on this specifically, Wolf. I expect that we'll get some comment on this as we just have gotten the program really in the time that President Obama has been on board Air Force One and a lot of officials are travelling with him. But, yes, fascinating because the U.S. and Cuba former cold war enemies have had very much limited ties. There's been some conciliatory language, I guess you could say, in recent years. But certainly this is not any sort of relationship that you see on a day-to-day basis the way President Obama has with other leaders. But I think what's sort of fascinating here and that a lot of people who are looking at this program and are fascinated by the fact that President Obama is speaking first and Raul Castro is speaking last that in a way it signifies just how much of a unifier Nelson Mandela was not only in his life but also in his death that you have these very interesting and disparate folks who are going to be at this event in South Africa Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes. When he was inaugurated back in 1994, Nelson Mandela, Al Gore, the then Vice President of the United States, represented the United States. But representing Cuba at the time at the inauguration in South Africa was Fidel Castro, who was then president of Cuba. So, there was an awkward moment at that time. We'll watch that closely. Thanks very much, Brianna Keilar over at the White House.
[Keilar:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] A long list of pending problems with very little time to make progress. That's what Congress is looking at as they get closer and closer to going back on vacation. We're taking a close look at some of those priorities hanging in the balance right now

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] They're being called the new generation of al Qaeda, and their apparent new plot has the world on edge. I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now. He cheated. He lied. And now baseball's most expensive star may be about to go to war with his league. What would you do?
[Moody:] Leave that boy alone. Leave him alone!
[Baldwin:] A school bus driver doesn't step in as a student cries for help during a brutal beating. Plus, the Army psychiatrist accused of the Fort Hood massacre could cross-examine victims. Hear what they're saying. And
[Unidentified Male:] Camouflage, shadows and
[Baldwin:] Schoolteacher by day, burqa avenger by night. What this new cartoon character is fighting for. Hi there. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Great to be with you on this Monday. We begin with the highest paid player on the most high-profile team in all of Major League Baseball. You know who I'm talking about. Alex Rodriguez. He is famous for his record-setting performance, his celebrity girlfriends, and his exploits on the baseball diamond. But one of the game's most storied careers is coming apart at the seams as I speak because what we're learning, we are expecting Major League Baseball to issue a news release anytime now outlining this punishment for A-Rod, and a group of other players, all linked to this Miami clinic alleged to have distributed these PEDs, these performance enhancing drugs. But even with today's imminent announcement, this saga is far from over. CNN Sports' Rachel Nichols is tracking the story for us from New York right now. And here he is in Chicago, Jason Carroll, where we know A-Rod has said he plans to be in the Yankees lineup tonight against the White Sox. We've heard from the manager saying he's penciled him in. But, Rachel Nichols, let me just begin with you. Tell me, what are we expecting to happen both to Rodriguez and these other players involved?
[Rachel Nicholas, Cnn Sports:] Well, this is getting fascinating, Brooke, because baseball is planning to use this evidence it gathered from this Miami clinic to suspend 13 players today. And reports over the last hour have indicated that 12 of those 13 players are going to accept their suspension, 50 games each for each one of them. None of them, according to these multiple reports, plan to appeal. They're all going to start serving today. The lone holdout, Alex Rodriguez. A-Rod has said that he denies any wrongdoing. He is going to appeal any suspension that he gets. Now, of course, things could change at the 11th hour, but so far we are expecting him to be suspended, to appeal that immediately. And there was some talk from Major League Baseball last week that maybe they've used special powers of the commissioner to keep him off the field during his appeal. That doesn't sound like it's going to happen. So it sounds like he can appeal, show up for the New York Yankees today in Chicago for, by the way, his first game of the season, probably get booed at a park that is not full of friendly fans, and then, Brooke, this saga is going to go on for the next month or so while an arbitrator looks at it.
[Baldwin:] Speaking of potential booing, let's go to Jason Carroll. I mean, Jason, I'm sure that's what you've heard as well, expecting that, right, in the stadium, in the White Sox stadium. What are you hearing there in Chicago?
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, first I should tell you, Brooke, we've already heard some of the booing. We heard it this weekend when I was out in New Jersey, as you know, Rodriguez playing AA ball out there. I heard some boos when he hit the field, but also heard some cheers as well, expecting to hear that in Chicago as well. But they won't be all boos. As I was standing out here doing some live reporting, we saw one guy walk by with the Yankees jersey on and it had "Rodriguez" there on the back. We pulled him over. And we know that there's at least one fan out there who feels as though Rodriguez deserves a second chance.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm not saying it was OK. It's not OK to do steroids and stuff. But I'm just saying, do I think it's fair for him to get a lifetime ban or 214 games that they're talking about compared to everybody else that's at 67 when Braun did about the same thing as A-Rod? I don't think so, you know.
[Carroll:] And we've heard Rodriguez say something similar to that, Brooke. Basically Rodriguez saying that he feels as though he's being singled out because he's a high-profile, highly paid player. He feels as though it's a double standard one standard for him, another standard for some of the other players. So that's probably going to be the basis of part of his appeal. Also, he says, as you heard Rachel say a little earlier, says he is not guilty of the allegations, was not connected to that clinic, that anti-aging clinic down there in Florida. So it's going to be an interesting game, to say the least.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Carroll:] I think it was ESPN who basically said, it's not going to be just a game, it's going to be more like a circus. I'm actually anxious to see what will happen later on this evening.
[Baldwin:] I think, though, if you were to talk to a lot of people, they mentioned circus and Yankees a lot in the same sentence. And just in terms of dollars and cents for the non-baseball, you know, viewing audience, this is a guy who, it was 2007, signed with the Yankees for $275 million over the course of 10 years.
[Carroll:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] Rachel, back to you. I mean put this, though, more in perspective as we await this lone holdout here, this 13th man. Tell us why we really should care, because a lot of people want this to go away.
[Nichols:] Both of those things can be true. You want it to go away and care about why it's happening. Look, this is a very interesting case. This didn't come about because of a spate of positive tests. Instead we're looking about what is likely going to be the largest performance enhancing drugs scandal in the history of American sports because of baseball's aggressive investigation into this clinic. We really haven't seen this from sports leagues in the past. Normally they wait around for the positive test to come in. Instead, baseball, recognizing it has had a huge problem with this, went after the players involved in this clinic, used other evidence to bring these guys in. So that's first of all a big change and we may see some other leagues follow. You've also seen a c-change among the players. During the so-called steroid era of baseball, which by the way, of course, we know never really ended, but the whole Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa era, we saw players close ranks around any guys accused or accused of using steroids. Hey, hey, don't bother us about this. Now clubhouse after clubhouse, we listened to players say, get them. Go get the guys who were cheating. We don't want them in the game. That is a huge change and that is going to affect, going forward, the penalties for these guys. I think you're only going to see them get tougher.
[Baldwin:] As soon as we get the news, obviously we'll bring you two back up and a number of other players here to talk about what everyone is talking about today, A-Rod and this news that we're awaiting. Jason Carroll, Rachel Nichols, thank you both very much. Let me move on for now and tell you that the United States government is closed for business across much of the Mideast and Africa today. This is the terrorist threat. We talked about this on Friday, apparently based upon an intercepted message from within the ranks of al Qaeda. But take a look with me. Take a look at Egypt. Here it is. The American flag is flying. But the U.S. embassy is locked. It is closed until Friday. Bangladesh, a heightened security presence there at the embassy in Dhaka. And Yemen, increase in suspicion that the plot could originate there. In all, I am talking about 19 embassies closed the entire week, a defensive move, unprecedented in scope. Authorities say the intel is the scariest stuff they have seen since the days before 911. Take a listen to this.
[Rep. Peter King , New York:] Because this threat was so specific as to how enormous it was going to be and also there's certain dates were given, but it didn't specify where it's going to be. And, you know, the assumption is that it's probably most likely to happen in the Middle East at or about one of the embassies, but there's no guarantee of that at all.
[Baldwin:] Congressman King says it could happen in Europe. It could even happen here at home. Keep in mind, al Qaeda has tried at least three times since 911 to bomb incoming airliners. CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank is joining me now from Washington. And there is Nick Paton Walsh joining us from Beirut. So, Paul, first to you. What are you hearing as far as new today, new intelligence, new warnings, new indications of where this purported threat might originate?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, Brooke, it seems that the threat originates in Yemen. There's a lot of concern because it may be linked to the chief bombmaker of the group in Yemen, Ibrahim al-Asiri. He's the mastermind behind those three attempts against U.S. airliners. Three plots against U.S. airliners in recent years. He's been able to build the most sophisticated devices ever seen from al Qaeda. Devices which are very difficult for detection scanner equipment to pick up. So a lot of concern that he may be linked to this plot. This is a guy who put a bomb inside his own brother in August 2009 to target the head of Saudi counterterrorism, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] I want to come back to you about al-Asiri and sort of the cutting-edge bombmaking, if you will. But, Nick Paton Walsh, to you. As we have been reporting, really one of the wild cards here is this rash of prison breaks. You have hundreds of militants who have been sprung in these nine different countries in the month of July, including some with al Qaeda connections. I mean here's the tick tock, the time line, if you will. How can these how can these bad guys return to the battlefield so quickly?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, this complexity in working out exactly how that would take shape, Interpol put out an alert over the weekend. As you say, 11 jail breaks, nine countries in just 25 days. Pakistan, Libya, Iraq. Importantly, in Iraq, we've confirmed today with Iraqi officials, and, in fact, it's the war minister of al Qaeda in Iraq who was released in that jailbreak. 'But this is where it gets more complex, Brooke, because a lot of these high-profile militants, they have battles to fight in Pakistan, in Iraq, in Iraq's own sectarian violence, in Syria even as well. Al Qaeda having changed in shape slightly to be more about local, often into Arab violence and just targeting America, like we remember seven, eight years ago at the height of the Bush administration. So many asking, yes, how fast can these militants get back into play? Is someone like the minister at war with al Qaeda in Iraq, would he find himself eventually looking to threaten America or more involved in this violent civil war almost happening in Iraq now that killed over 1,000 people last month, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] And, Paul, back to you. Talking about this mastermind bombmaker, al-Asiri, who, as you point out, put this bomb in his brother. I mean, if you can, just characterize for me this group, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Clearly they seem hell-bent on using airliners as an example. They are constantly the group that's keeping us or we're trying to stay one step ahead of them as far as our own detection. Are they younger? Are they organized? How brazen are they?
[Cruickshank:] Well, al Qaeda in the Arian Peninsula is an organized group, and they also have a track record of hitting U.S. interests in the region. In September 2008, they carried out a sophisticated multiphase attack on the U.S. embassy in Sana'a. They didn't manage to breach the embassy perimeter. But six Yemeni guards were killed in that attack And now, according to sources who've spoken to CNN, there are also three operatives from the group who actually participated in the attack on the consulate in Benghazi in September of last year. So this is a group with a track record of hitting the United States, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Paul Cruickshank and Nick Paton Walsh, thank you very much, both of you. Coming up, a young woman found dead and burned inside her own apartment. This, just days after two other women were attacked and burned as well in the same city. Might there be a connection there? We'll look into that. Plus, a teenager is on trial for allegedly helping his father murder a young boy. And today that father takes the stand. And let me tell you, it got very heated.
[Unidentified Male:] I've been sentenced for it, life in prison, yet here I am going over the same

[Pamela Brown, Cnn Anchor:] Then three and a half years later, they received this e-mail, appearing to be from KlearGear, stating they would be fined $3,500 if the negative review wasn't taken down in 72 hours.
[Jen Palmer, Fined By Kleargear.com:] It's ridiculous that anybody would turn around and try to extort us like this, especially for doing something as simple as posting a review online.
[Brown:] But KlearGear told the Palmers they sign add way their freedom in an obscure nondisclosure clause, forbidding them from taking any action that negatively impacts kleargear.com. The Palmer's tried to take the review down, but couldn't. KlearGear then reported the $3,500 bill unpaid to a collections company.
[Palmer:] It was bad enough that when we went to get a second car, it took a month to find a bank that was willing to finance us because of the huge ding this puts on our credit.
[Brown:] They tried to reach out to settle this amicably, but never heard back from the company.
[Scott Michelman, Public Citizen Attorney:] As Jen Palmer's original review online noted, part of the problem with KlearGear's customer service is that they're difficult to contact.
[Brown:] Thus, according to the Palmers, leaving them no choice but to sue, asking the court to declare they never owed the $3,500 and are seeking compensation to be determined by a jury.
[Michelman:] Contract law isn't a game of surprise where businesses get to extort money based on terms that the customers didn't read in the fine print.
[Brown:] Let's bring in CNN legal analysts, Paul Callan and Danny Cevallos. I want to start with you, Paul. First off, I think I can speak on behalf of a lot of consumers. A lot of us don't read the term of use contract, the fine print. We probably should. A big reason is because companies can put these non- disparagement clauses in their contracts. How common is this?
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Fortunately, for consumers, it's not very common. The reason it's not common is because a company would be out of business if they did what this company has done, allegedly, to the Palmers. However, you can sign a contract reducing or eliminating your right to comment about anything. I mean, free speech, you know, they can't contract it away, saying I agree not to disparage your product. It's a good lesson for the holiday season. Even if the Palmers win, be careful. Look at the trouble they got themselves into.
[Brown:] Even if it's truthful, Palmers are saying everything they wrote was truthful. That it might have been negative but it was truthful. On that note, you look at the non-disparagement clause on this KlearGear contract. It is very broad, vague, companies saying it's up to our discretion to decide if we should fine you for a negative review. Would that be upheld in the court of law?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, even if it isn't ultimately upheld, the downside is that they have to get to that court of law to find out whether or not it is a fair disparagement clause or not. In other words, they've been fined. They've had their information reported to a credit bureau. They've suffered all these negative consequences. The only way to vindicate themselves is to get into court. That is a long, long road. You see right away the problem with this disparagement clause. The other thing to add, by the way, is if you look on the internet archives, this disparagement clause does not appear in 2008 on this company's website. It may be the case that there never was a non-disparagement clause that didn't exist when they made the purchase.
[Brown:] Very sneaky if that is, in fact, the case here. I want to ask you, Paul, talking about this contract it seems like the Palmers have a pretty good case. You look at the fact that the wife was the one who posted the review, but she wasn't the one who purchased the items. Can they still be bound by this contract?
[Callan:] No, they can't. It's a great argument by their lawyers. What happened was, of course, the wife was very angry about it. The husband had made the purchase. She's the one who posted the comments. You buy a product and you're supposed to say to your wife, listen, this is a secret? Don't say anything about it. I don't think too many wives will listen to that advice. The more we look at this story Pam, you were covering this from the very beginning. The lesson here is, you just shouldn't do business with companies that have disparagement clauses like this. You shouldn't be buying their product. What does it say that they're so worried that you'll say something negative about their product? That's the lesson in the end. As Danny said, you don't want to wind up in court. The Palmers are going to win probably and they'll never be able to collect their damages and they will have lost in the end.
[Brown:] And, obviously, as we shared in the story, they had a ripple effect from this, with their credit being hurt and that kind of thing. Danny, don't the credit reporting companies, on that no note, have some sort of liability here?
[Cevallos:] Ultimately, no. The real liability it is defamation if a company reports a debt that is not a brood debt. The real liability is on the company. Reporting credit companies will reach out to the company reporting the debt and they rely on whatever that company, like KlearGear, ostensibly told them. Then that's a debt as far as they're concerned. I suppose if they were reckless in researching that, but they rely on the companies to report truthfully and accurately. That's what they're supposed to do.
[Callan:] They're supposed to add the consumer's claim as well, though, when they research it. So they may have some liability here too.
[Brown:] It's based on the fair credit reporting act. By the way, important to mention, we reached out to KlearGear many times and have not heard back both by e-mail and by phone. Danny Cevallos, Paul Callan, thank you for offering your analysis, as always. And in other news today, talk about an amazing rescue. Have you seen this? An LAPD bomb squad officer and two good Samaritans pulled a man out of his burning car yesterday saving his life. It all happened in a matter of seconds when a car crashed on a major Los Angeles freeway. The driver is reported to be in the hospital but is said to be doing OK today. McDonald's has taken down its controversial employee website, the one that encouraged workers to skip fast-food, get a second job and not pay for heat. The site is offline with the message saying it's being upgraded. The site is being re-evaluated because it caused unwarranted scrutiny. Coming up right here on LEGAL VIEW, we hate to sound so cliche, but something in Seattle really is stuck between a rock and a hard place, or something, and it's standing in the way of building a massive new tunnel. Don't you love the sound effects that go along with this? What is this mystery object? We'll look into it after this break.

[Quest:] Now, this is what they call a KVM. Many of you will know exactly what it does. Well, apparently, it's just about $20, and using equipment like this, a gang of thieves were basically able to steal more than $2 million from a London branch of Barclays bank. The device they used is called a keyboard video and mouse switch, the KVM. Eight people have been arrested, including a man that police are calling the Mr. Big of UK cyber crime. CNN's Jim Boulden is in London.
[Jim Boulden, Cnn International Correspondent:] So, this is the branch of Barclays bank where the Metropolitan Police say eight men conspired to steal 1.3 million pounds. That's just over $2 million. And this is how the police say they did it.
[Boulden:] This is a photo of something called a KVM switch. Police say one member of the gang talked himself into the bank branch back in April and attached this to one computer through a 3G router. These are normally used to allow people to access their work computers remotely. In this case, the police say the gang used it to steal money from a host of accounts in just one day by remotely controlling the branch's computer system.
[Terry Wilson, Metropolitan Police:] The size and sophistication of the operation has shocked us, and we're actually having to draft in more resources, techs, with the amount of evidence that we've recovered.
[Boulden:] Recovered, the police say, from houses around London. Authorities called one of these sites a cyber control center. In all, they found cash, jewelry, drugs, thousands of credit cards, and personal data. The police are now linking the Barclays heist with another using a KVM switch at a London Branch of Bank Santander. In total, 20 people have been arrested.
[Wilson:] We would consider one of those to be extremely significant. I would class him as the Mr. Big of UK cyber crime at present.
[Boulden:] The police say, however, not all the money has been recovered. Now, for its part, Barclays bank says no customers lost money from their accounts because of the alleged actions. Jim Boulden, CNN, London.
[Quest:] Finding the right balance between safety and low regulatory burden is no easy task. Neelie Kroes is the Europe commissioner for the digital agenda. She joins me tonight here in the C Suite, and we're delighted to have you with us, Commissioner. First of all, this balancing act between cyber security and privacy and the need for regulation, we are still a long way from understanding where we need to go with this.
[Neelie Kroes, Vice President, European Commission:] Well, in a way, it's not that long from now on. So, there is a proposal from the Commission, and it is about cyber security, and it's clearly directed in a line where all those who are having experiences like this bank are mentioning that and are taking their measures. So, they always denied it so far, and every time, it's the same situation. It is, indeed, absolutely one of the responsibilities of the business world.
[Quest:] You've got to get on with it.
[Kroes:] Absolutely. And we do have a directive now, and that has to be accepted by the Council. And I'm absolutely certain that they'll be done within a couple of months.
[Quest:] The digital environment in the EU is still not a single market. There is still so much work. And on the anniversary of Maastricht just coming up. Are you embarrassed that it's not a single market yet?
[Kroes:] It is an embarrassing situation. In my former life as a national politician and as a minister in the 80s, we were already dealing with starting this whole process. So, it takes a bit too long, so to say. But now, there is a proposal, and that is solving the problem. It is not only taking away the barriers, now we have 28 member states and 28 markets. That's crazy.
[Quest:] It's crazy, but you're the woman, the commissioner, who can do something about it. You've got to have teeth.
[Kroes:] I can assure you, I have them. And the proposal is just accepted by the Commission, and now will be dealt with the European Council, and that is the meeting in October, with all the leaders of the member states, presidents and prime ministers, and then going to Parliament. So, if we have a little bit of realism in as well the Council as well in Parliament, then we can deal with it before the elections of the European Parliament.
[Quest:] Commissioner, you and I have talked many times on this, and you know where I'm going to go with this. Two words: roaming charges.
[Kroes:] It is outrageous. If it wasn't that serious, it should be hilarious for you are paying for something that is not anymore there. When you are passing a border in Europe, then it is an artificial border, for it's one single market. So, we don't have borders anymore. And still, when you have your mobile
[Quest:] Last night on this program, the CEO of Portugal Telecom said progress was being made and it's not a single market and we can't run it like the United States runs theirs with AT&T; or Verizon. Do you basically tell him nonsense, get on with it?
[Kroes:] No. If he has said that, then I'm pleased, for I need the backing of the incumbents and of the alternatives, I need the backing of the consumers, and I feel certain we've got the backing of the consumers, but also of the manufacturers and of all the other players in this market.
[Quest:] We have an antique on the set in the form of the commissioner's BlackBerry.
[Kroes:] This is my private one, and
[Quest:] Oh, sorry.
[Kroes:] No, no, no, no, no!
[Quest:] We can be
[Kroes:] No, no, no, no, no, no, no! But I'm using it since the early 90s, and it's great.
[Quest:] Good! Thank you very much, Commissioner, thanks, indeed, for joining us.
[Kroes:] Yes.
[Quest:] Jenny Harrison, who's a woman always at the forefront of technology, is with us at the Weather Center this evening. Good evening.
[Jenny Harrison, Cnn Meteorologist:] Hello to you, Richard. I'm going to start talking about Super Typhoon Usagi. The reason for this is because, of course, it's beating down in Taiwan, but also bearing down on that south coast of China, Hong Kong in particular. It is a vast storm, look at this. Winds 240 kilometers an hour, still a super typhoon. It is going to lose some of its strength, but the size of this thing is actually over 1,000 kilometers in diameter. But look at the progress it's going to make. It will actually lose some of its strength in terms of winds over the next couple of days. It is forecast to actually make landfall in Hong Kong sometime late on Sunday. So, this gives you just a slightly different view of the same forecast. So you can see here throughout Saturday, very, very strong winds still impacting Taiwan and the northern Philippines. And then, as it continues to make its progress, it'll lose some of that strength. Still, a very, very strong typhoon, and very heavy rain coming in with this storm as it heads towards Hong Kong later on Sunday. There are no warnings yet, no signals being put up by Hong Kong. Of course, the travel delays already beginning to kick in, but it will get worse than this. No doubt about it, the airlines will begin to actually cancel their flights. There is probably no doubt that there will actually be no flights at all coming out of Hong Kong and also potentially out of Taipei. The rain coming through will be very heavy. Landslides, mudslides, and of course, flooding. And look at this, the next 48 hours, over 400 millimeters to Taiwan, and then also beginning to really add up in Hong Kong, so we'll keep you well updated in the hours and the couple of days to come. Meanwhile in Europe, as we go through the weekend, really feeling cool and autumnal across much of the north-central regions and the east. That warm-up in place across the west and the southwest. It is also Oktoberfest. It kicks off this weekend. Not sure if you kick off when you start to drink, but that is what's going on. Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, they've actually got a bit of a warm-up by Monday. We've got some pretty good weather conditions, a little bit of clouds, but some sunshine as well. Chilly in the overnight hours for Munich, but even so, that never, of course, spoils anybody's fun. And how about this? Do you fancy flying away on your Friday? I'm sure plenty of you do. Well, here's a couple of destinations for you. How about the beautiful island of Majorca? Palma will be beautiful Saturday and Sunday, temperatures in the high 20s. Mostly sunny on Saturday, glorious sunshine on Sunday. The overnight hours pretty nice, as well, 16 and 15 on Sunday night. And then, if you fancy a city destination, how about that glorious city of Venice? Saturday, 23. Sunday, 22. Little bit more clouds around, but some very nice weather for doing some very nice sightseeing, and still not too cold, of course, to get out there on the canals in a gondola. But if you're not going anywhere, you're stuck at home, have a look at these temperatures. There's some pretty good sunshine around.
[Quest:] Right.
[Harrison:] 31 in Madrid, 22 in Paris, and 17 Celsius in Vienna. So, something out there for everybody, Richard, apart from you. You're in New York.
[Quest:] Fly Away Friday. We love it. Thank you very much, indeed, Jenny Harrison at the World Weather Center. When we come back, Motorola's chief executive thinks he knows what SmartPhone customers want, and he is making it in America. Then to Texas, where people are riding the bull of prosperity in the state's oil boom town. Later in the program, all the fun of the Midland County Fair. On QUEST MEANS BUSINESS tonight.

[Kathy Griffin, Co-host:] You are trying to kill me. I knew it. That was some sort of a drone attack. Stop it. What do you think of those Amazon drones? Do they freak you out?
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn:] I don't believe. I believe it's a PR stunt.
[Griffin:] What if one just hit you in the head and ruined your face which is your fortune? Welcome back to New Year's
[Eve, Cnn -- Cooper:] This is the moneymaker right here.
[Griffin:] Wait, what?
[Cooper:] Right here, right here, moneymaker, right here.
[Griffin:] I know, honey, trust me. That's the whole hey, when are you going to get that um
[Cooper:] What?
[Griffin:] Some work done. Is it a bad time to bring it up?
[Cooper:] Do I need work?
[Griffin:] Yes. Obviously. Just some fillers. You should at least get your lips done, please.
[Cooper:] We're going to be bringing you New Year's celebration from around the city, around America, around the entire world including the crew that ship stranded off the ice in Antarctica.
[Griffin:] Oh my gosh. Everyone is tuned in to see that. Not the watermelon dropping.
[Cooper:] Melissa Etheridge was just joining us. Macklemore is joining us.
[Griffin:] Macklemore is really coming. I'm not even making that one up.
[Cooper:] I think in like 20 or 30 minutes or so. Pretty soon. I think Deborah Harry also may be coming down our way. Isha is down at street level along with hundreds of thousands of partiers and revelers as well. Deborah Harry is actually making her way right here. We've got Brooke Baldwin who is New Orleans. We're going to check in with her a little bit later on.
[Griffin:] What are you so nervous about? Deborah harry is here, asking whoever
[Cooper:] Hey, Deborah Harry. Hey, I'm Anderson Cooper. How are you? Kathy Griffin.
[Griffin:] Hi Deborah. Hi. Take a seat. Stand right in the middle.
[Cooper:] Happy New Year.
[Deborah Harry, Blondie Lead Singer:] Happy New Year.
[Cooper:] I am such a fan of yours.
[Harry:] Oh, thank you.
[Cooper:] I'm so glad you were back and performing. How did it feel to perform here tonight?
[Harry:] Wonderful. So exciting
[Griffin:] You sounded great. You sounded fantastic.
[Harry:] It's an incredible I mean, my God, there's no spectacle like this.
[Cooper:] And you have you got a new album.
[Harry:] We have a new album coming out in March. It's all new material so I'm very excited about that, too.
[Cooper:] That's cool.
[Harry:] And I wish we could have actually played more songs. But I understand time is short, right?
[Cooper:] I'm a terrible dancer, but when I first started dancing I thought I was rocking out to "Heart of Glass." I thought I was a pretty good
[Griffin:] Don't let us stop you from singing anything a cappella. I mean, if you wanted to sing "Call Me" or "Hanging on the Telephone"
[Harry:] I'm in the phone booth, it's the one across the hall
[Griffin:] What's the next one?
[Harry:] If you don't answer, I'll just ring it off the wall. I know he's there, but I just had to call. I'm know he's there but I just had to call. Don't leave me hanging
[Griffin:] I'm going to be singing background
[Cooper:] You were also one of the early rappers. You were rapping early on.
[Harry:] Yeah, we did. We had the first rap song to go into the charts in the states.
[Cooper:] Is that right? Yeah. I remember, yeah. You're so awesome, really so excited that you're out there performing and doing great.
[Harry:] It's great.
[Cooper:] You look amazing.
[Harry:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] You're a fashion girl. You ran with the Warhol posse. There's nothing you haven't done. What haven't you done yet, Deborah Harry?
[Harry:] Well, I haven't climbed big mountains.
[Griffin:] You can climb Anderson Cooper right now if you know what I'm saying. He's climbable. He's a big mountain of a man.
[Cooper:] Deb, do you have a New Year's resolution?
[Harry:] No, not really. I just want to get out there and play the new music. And it's our 40th anniversary.
[Cooper:] That's awesome.
[Harry:] I know.
[Griffin:] I'd like to apologize
[Cooper:] Kathy Griffin is mouthing to me that I am lame
[Griffin:] My question is what are you going to have for breakfast tomorrow and what time do you wake up?
[Harry:] I'll probably wake up about I don't know, maybe 10 o'clock. It depends on how late I stay out tonight.
[Cooper:] Where do you go after this? Do you have a party to go to?
[Harry:] Yeah, I've got a couple of them.
[Cooper:] OK.
[Griffin:] Because Anderson is having an after party. It's at 1218 Lexington, Apartment 3
[A. Cooper:] She's making that up. I'm not.
[Griffin:] Everybody's going to be there. 1218 Lexington.
[Cooper:] Thanks so much for being with us. I wish you a great New Year.
[Harry:] Thank you. Same to you.
[Cooper:] Thanks very much.
[Harry:] Happy New Year.
[Cooper:] Great. Deborah Harry.
[Griffin:] The one, the only.
[Cooper:] Let's check in with Isha who's down in the crowd. Isha, we're about an hour and 55 minutes away from the ball drop. A lot of excitement here now?
[Isha Sesay, Cnn Anchor:] Yeah, there is so much excitement. People are in such good spirits. They may have been out here for a long time. Some people these guys have been out here since 12:30, but they're still ready to party. There's a lot of dancing, a lot of huddling for warmth. Let's talk to a couple of them because that's what is all about here in Times Square. The people have from far and wide. These guys are from Chicago. Whose bright idea was to it come here?
[Unidentified Male:] Mine.
[Sesay:] OK. So why did you want to be here?
[Unidentified Male:] I've always wanted to do it. It's on my bucket list.
[Sesay:] It was on your bucket list. But now you guys are freezing. Are you having fun, though?
[Unidentified Male:] Yeah. We're having lots of fun. We're glad we came to do it. We have people from Columbia, Mexico. It's a giant party. We're dancing up here. New York is great.
[Sesay:] What's the best part of being here with all these people?
[Unidentified Male:] I think just the excitement. It's something you don't get to experience if you watch it on TV or if you're celebrating with a small group of friends. The amount of people that are here tonight is incredible. And like he said, they're from all over the world, so we like make new friends while we're here.
[Sesay:] Well, thank you guys. Stay warm. Have fun. Like you hear them say, people here from all over. They are here from all over the world. At least 1 million people here to celebrate New Year's Eve. And it's just a great atmosphere. It's a great party. We're all dancing away down here, Anderson and Kathy.
[Cooper:] Isha, thanks. By the way, all during that Kathy is telling me how lame I am. I promise O will no longer ask anybody their New Year's resolution.
[Griffin:] I cannot even believe
[Cooper:] When Macklemore is here
[Griffin:] Oh, I can't wait for you to hit him with the hard question of, hey, Macklemore, with your ground-breaking cd and your multi- Grammy nominations what is your New Year's resolution? I hope it's to eat you carbs.
[Cooper:] I'm balancing I got a lot of things
[Griffin:] Are you rocking it out?
[Cooper:] I'm not rocking, not yet.
[Griffin:] #Andersonrocksitout. All right. A lot of people watch the show because they're impressed or dazzled by you. They think you're intellectual. Obviously you went to Yale. You talk about it every five seconds.
[Cooper:] I never mention it.
[Griffin:] When you were in Skull and Bones, which is a secret society of Yale
[Cooper:] I was not in Skull and Bones.
[Griffin:] Who else was in Skull and Bones with you?
[Cooper:] I was not in skull
[Griffin:] What's interesting is I looked it up online. When you were attending Yale, no other famous person was in Skull and Bones. Did your mother in fact buy out all of Yale so you could attend it by yourself, therefore not ever have to be social?
[Cooper:] I don't even understand that question.
[Griffin:] I mean, would you admit that all through college you were so anti-social that you would have preferred to just attend Yale and have it be empty?
[Cooper:] Oh, yeah. I was anti-social. I was very anti-social. I totally admit that I've never been to any of my reunions, I don't know anybody. Yeah, no, no.
[Griffin:] Who do you think like is
[Cooper:] And all my roommates were all anti-social.
[Griffin:] Who looks at you?
[Cooper:] Everybody.
[Griffin:] When you think of your Yale comrades and think oh, my gosh, I can't face this person because they're so much better than I am
[Cooper:] They were all really smart people there and I felt like you know
[Griffin:] Which brings me to Anderson Cooper will now name every member of the Supreme Court. Go.
[Cooper:] No. I'm not playing this game.
[Griffin:] Oh. If you don't know this
[Cooper:] No, no. But can I tell you? Do you know who's dropping the ball this year? Do you know who's pressing the button?
[Griffin:] Of course I do. Justice Sotomayor.
[Cooper:] Do you know her first name?
[Griffin:] Sonia Sotomayor. She's from Brooklyn.
[Cooper:] I've actually interviewed rather in her home in Brooklyn.
[Griffin:] Name the Supreme Court now
[Cooper:] I'm not going to name all the Supreme Court members.
[Griffin:] Now.
[Cooper:] I'm not going to play this game because I know on your list
[Griffin:] Anderson Cooper cannot name the Supreme Court members
[Cooper:] I know on your list you have a progression of increasingly more difficult questions and once I start playing one, I'm going to end up you're going to end up asking about Pashtunwali again.
[Griffin:] No. I wanted to know if you spoke Pashtun or Urdu.
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Griffin:] And which do you speak?
[Cooper:] I speak neither
[Griffin:] I thought you could say Merry Christmas in Urdu or Pashtun.
[Cooper:] No. I used to be able to say like "don't shoot" in a lot of languages but
[I -- Griffin:] Don't try to play the pity card. You're in no danger. Melissa Etheridge was singing to you. Debbie harry was here. We wanted her resolution
[Cooper:] You got Debbie Harry to sing. That was cool
[Griffin:] I do let it out with Debbie Harry. All right. True or false, on the Supreme Court, is there a Justice Alito?
[Cooper:] Yes of course
[Griffin:] Is there a Judge Joe Brown?
[Cooper:] No, there's no
[Griffin:] Is there a Justice Breyer?
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Is there a Judge Reinhold? Is there a Justice Scalia?
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Is there a Judge Judith Sheindlin?
[Cooper:] No. Although my mom this year just covered Judge Judy. So my mom
[Griffin:] Your mother Gloria Vanderbilt
[Cooper:] Yes. This year
[Griffin:] Living icon watches Judge Judy.
[Cooper:] She called me up and she was like, do you know this Judge Judy?
[Griffin:] So let me do the voice. I do your mom better than you do, Kathy, I've been watching Judge Judy. It's such a microcosm for society. People come with their problems and she's brilliant. She solves them.
[Cooper:] Yeah. And my mom is like, I've learned so much about the law.
[Griffin:] Your mother is studying the law as is mine via Judge Judy.
[Cooper:] And she just started watching Phil Donahue. She's like no, not Phil Donahue, Dr. Phil, and she's like, and his wife is on every show with him.
[Griffin:] Well, yes, Dr. Phil's wife Robin sits in the front row in leather pants and she supports him by holding his hand as they exit the show, which I think he should do with me.
[Cooper:] Yeah?
[Griffin:] Yeah, as part of your prep. No. I do want to bring up and I hope the booth is ready for this, I do watch you on "60 minutes." You're very good.
[Cooper:] Thank you.
[Griffin:] When you interviewed author Malcolm Gladwell
[Cooper:] Yeah.
[Griffin:] I just want to point something out, in all of your amazing investigative journalistic work, why during this interview did you, not unlike Cher, have seven costume changes? I believe we have some photos of you interviewing a highly intellectual
[Cooper:] Right, Malcolm Gladwell, of course.
[Griffin:] Malcolm Gladwell. I mean, some may say
[Cooper:] Best-selling author.
[Griffin:] Yeah. So there you are looking kind of normal Anderson. Then you're surprisingly in a blazer. Then now you're being pensive but like a different shirt, having OK, now you look Morris Day in the "Time". You're like shimmery. Now I love when you walk down the street and try to look normal. I'm surprised you're not on your bicycle. Why did you do you were like Diana Ross there.
[Cooper:] There were a lot of different shoots on different days.
[Griffin:] Of all people
[Cooper:] It's not like I'm doing costume changes..
[Griffin:] No, I think you were. I think it was all in one day
[Cooper:] No. I'm actually wearing the same shirt because I have a limited number of shirts so
[Griffin:] Oh no. And this is real I actually got an e-mail from his crack staff saying that, we're worried Anderson doesn't have a proper coat for tomorrow.
[Cooper:] It's true. I bought this coat over at North Face today.
[Griffin:] Why didn't you call Ralph?
[Cooper:] What do you mean?
[Griffin:] You know what I'm talking he can just call Ralph Lauren. He has like a Ralph Lauren hotline and he goes, Ralph, it's me get over here. Or Dolce & Gabbana.
[Cooper:] No. I was going to go to EMS and then the cab was right by North Face so I went
[Griffin:] Hold on. I love this part. So you're going to act like you took a taxi here, really?
[Cooper:] No, no. I took a taxi after "The Nutcracker" to go buy a coat.
[Griffin:] You want us to believe you took a taxi to see the ballet at the met?
[Cooper:] No, I didn't take a taxi there. I took a taxi afterwards to get my coat.
[Griffin:] You couldn't call Uber?
[Cooper:] What?
[Griffin:] You couldn't call Uber? First of all, he has a driver. He's in like an armored car like he's a five-star general.
[Cooper:] I joined Uber this year. It is the greatest thing ever. I feel it's like one of the
[Griffin:] Oh now you're a paid spokesperson for Uber.
[Cooper:] No, I'm not. I'm not
[Griffin:] I don't get any of this Uber money. I don't get his Nivea cut. This whole thing is somewhat sponsored by Nivea. He keeps saying the commercial hey, your hands look dry. You want some Nivea? It's an extra 100 bucks for me.
[Cooper:] Why she's talking about Nivea is because if you look down in the crowd, everybody is wearing these blue hats and I guess it's a big promotional thing
[Griffin:] Have they taken over Times Square?
[Cooper:] Yeah, it's a big promotional thing they do.
[Griffin:] By the way, did you watch "The Best of Nancy Grace" last night?
[Cooper:] I did not watch "The Best of Nancy Grace" last night. I missed it. I must have DVR-ed it though.
[Griffin:] It's fantastic. First of all
[Cooper:] You're a huge Nancy Grace fan.
[Griffin:] Of course. You know why, she believes in lady justice. And there are times when Nancy Grace feels that lady justice is asleep today. Is Nancy Grace here?
[Cooper:] No, no, but I brought you a gift this
[Griffin:] Nancy does not like injustice, can I just say that?
[Cooper:] One of the things that Nancy Grace that happened this year and was a big breaking news headline, Nancy Grace lost her necklace. You know, she Nancy Grace wears a, which I was unaware of, a handcuff necklace.
[Griffin:] OK. How can you be unaware of her signature handcuff necklace?
[Cooper:] And I actually interviewed her about this. Do we have that?
[Griffin:] Yes.
[Cooper:] Can we play that? OK. Let's play it. [ Hey Nancy, are you wearing handcuffs as a necklace?
[Nancy Grace:] Yes, I am. Would you like a pair?
[Cooper:] No. I guess I'm near-sighted or far-sighted.
[Grace:] I did it for you, Anderson.
[Cooper:] I saw something shiny and then the more I looked at it I was thinking are those handcuffs? They really are?
[Grace:] Yes they are and they work. In case I need to arrest somebody.
[Cooper:] All right. So that was the first I learned of it. She then went and lost them. She felt they were stolen
[Griffin:] OK, she didn't lose them. I spoke to her. She alleges, and I know to use the terminology because I watch "Nancy Grace" so I feel that I also am a former prosecutor. Now she is not a prosecutor right now but she is a former prosecutor and she alleges that you andor Mark Geragos stole her necklace. I don't know why you would steal Nancy Grace's necklace. She's a nice lady.
[Cooper:] She's now apparently selling these necklaces on her website
[Griffin:] As she should.
[Cooper:] And here's a little gift for you.
[Griffin:] Is this a real live Nancy Grace
[Cooper:] It's a gift. Do you want me to open it for you?
[Griffin:] Yes, yes. I'm so excited because I bet it didn't come from Mark Geragos and I like when she cuts his mike, cut his mike, cut his mike Geragos, cut his mike.
[Cooper:] Look what I got for Kathy Griffin right there a real Nancy Grace
[Griffin:] I am very
[Cooper:] handcuff necklace.
[Griffin:] Hi, friend, how are you? Hi, friend, do not make me unleash the lawyers. This has made my night. You can ask me my resolution. It's going to be to wear these every day.
[Cooper:] We're going to take a short break. If you want to join the conversation on Twitter
[Griffin:] We're live tweeting.
[Cooper:] Well, yeah. You're tweeting it.
[Griffin:] Yes, and is my mother
[Cooper:] See if you got any response back from Seacrest, Rachael Ray.
[Griffin:] I have a few more texts to send out on your behalf.
[Cooper:] Tweet us your questions. We'll try to answer as many as possible. Use #cnnnye. Also on Instagram send us your photos of your party, also #cnnnye
[Griffin:] Send nudes. Why not? Just send to me material.
[Cooper:] You can follow me on Twitter or whatever. You don't need to know about all that. I mean, whatever.
[Griffin:] You know what I love about this night? Do you know how many tweets I've gotten from like religious people saying, if we even do this you're going to hell?
[Cooper:] Really?
[Griffin:] Yes. There's a lot of people that tweet me, they're like, I heart Jesus and they say, you know, dear Anderson Cooper, if you're with that heretic you're going to hell.
[Cooper:] Your mom well, anyway.
[Griffin:] My mom has probably said that.
[Cooper:] I think that was your mom.
[Griffin:] My mom thinks I'm a heretic. All right. I admit it. I admit it.
[Cooper:] We're going to show you New Year's celebrations around the United States, around the world. Kathy is particularly looking forward to seeing how they're celebrating in Antarctica
[Griffin:] It's all I talk about.
[Cooper:] on a ship. We're going to go there live, talk to some very funny guys who are actually they are trapped in the ice, but they are still
[Griffin:] Can't we get them out?
[Cooper:] They were trying. They are still celebrating New Year's Eve. We're going to talk to them when we come back in a little bit. We'll be right back. And Macklemore too is going to be here, so we'll be right back.
[Griffin:] I would lead with Macklemore, frankly.
[Matthew Chance, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] I'm Matthew Chance on the river Thames in London and these are the final moments of 2013. You can see the giant clock ticking down the seconds of 2013 behind me. It's soothing and happy minutes. It started to pour with rain, but it is not dampening the spirits of the tens of thousands of people who have gathered here and who have now started their final countdown.
[All:] 3, 2, 1. [Cheers]
[Chance:] There you have it, Anderson, a spectacular fireworks display and a special one, too because the organizers say that filling air you're your roses and these flavors of fresh fruits to match these colors making it a very tasty start indeed to 2014 here in London. Back to you.
[Cooper:] And there they are, the fireworks in London as the world celebrates 2014. Meanwhile, 74 people off the coast of Antarctica are on a ship. We're going to talk to them shortly. Macklemore is here.
[Griffin:] How do you segue from people lost at sea to like Macklemore in his fur coat?
[Cooper:] Because you see, when you see them, they're all very fun and celebrating. They're having a fun time...
[Griffin:] OK.
[Cooper:] That's what they say.
[Griffin:] I'm just worried about Gary Tuchman with that watermelon. I really am.
[Cooper:] In my heart I do not believe it Ryan Seacrest is having as much fun as we are having here.
[Griffin:] I know he's not.
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Griffin:] Because he keeps texting me saying I wish I were you. I wish I were you.
[Cooper:] He's not doing that.
[Griffin:] Clearly. Look, if you were not doing this, what would you be doing seriously?
[Cooper:] I would be at home watching this on
[Tv. Griffin:] No, no. Let me rephrase. If this didn't exist, like CNN fantastic New Year and you weren't even watching TV, what would you be doing?
[Cooper:] I would not be doing anything. I'd be reading or hanging out with I don't know. I wouldn't be out. I'm not yeah.
[Griffin:] Would you be rocking it out?
[Cooper:] Yeah. I'd probably be rocking it out.
[Griffin:] Would you be at the Britney Spears show or would you be tweeting tweeting things like I'm going to quote another one of your tweets
[Cooper:] OK.
[Griffin:] Here we go, 5 million Twitter followers, so now all of a sudden Instagram has direct messaging?
[Cooper:] Oh, wait, I'm sorry. The folks on the ship are actually ready for us, so we want to go to them. Here is how they rang in the New Year on that ship that I is stuck in the ice in Antarctica. Let's watch.
[All:] Still stuck here Ice thaw cha-cha cha, ice thaw cha-cha cha. Ice thaw cha-cha cha. Ice thaw cha-cha cha. Lots of ships around us now, boats at our stern and boats at our bow. Up in the air the
[Cooper:] I want you to meet Alok Jha, Chris Turney and Laurence Topham. Guys, welcome. Happy New Year. I'm so glad you're joining us. Alok and Laurence inaudible Chris is the expedition leader. Are you guys doing all right? inaudible I had a hard time hearing them. We're going to try to reconnect, because the audio is not working. We're going to try to reconnect.
[Griffin:] They want you to buy a blanket. I specifically think they want a blanket.
[Cooper:] They celebrated New Year's like six hours ago and I think they've been drinking.
[Griffin:] A little drinky drinky?
[Cooper:] I think they've been drinking so I'm not sure they're operating
[Griffin:] I wouldn't blame them one bit.
[Cooper:] the Skype all that well.
[Griffin:] Well, they shouldn't have to. They're going through possibly hell. You know, your thrust is they're having them back. They're going to hell and back. You might want to show them that special right now then "Weed. Rerun "Weed" here on
[Cnn. Cooper:] Sorry, we're going to try to reconnect back with them shortly. So how are you doing?
[Griffin:] Are they okay?
[Cooper:] No
[Griffin:] What's the deal here?
[Cooper:] There were two ice breakers that tried to get them and didn't get there. They're waiting for helicopters to come and take them off the ship.
[Griffin:] But they're not waiting for us, right?
[Cooper:] They're not waiting for us. We are not rescuing them. They've got 10 days' worth of food.
[Griffin:] Are you sure? Is it like that movie "Gravity" where Sandra bullock is in trouble?
[Cooper:] I interviewed them last night. They're very funny. They're having you know, they're in good spirits.
[Griffin:] Are you going to party with them like you did with the Chilean miners?
[Cooper:] Let's give them another shot. Let's see can you guys hear us?
[Unidentified Male:] Hello. Hello, Times Square.
[Cooper:] They are perfect. We can hear you very well. So how did you guys ring in the New Year? We saw that video you were all singing.
[Unidentified Male:] We had a special song written by the team we came up in the top deck and we broadcast it live. We're four o'clock in the afternoon and looking good. It's like all of the great poets at the time telling stories of what happened to us. This was our odyssey and we're sort of telling it as it goes along. With sort of typical lit spirits.
[Cooper:] Speaking of spirits, have you guys been imbibing spirits? Because it looks like some of the folks in that video are kind of red in the face.
[Unidentified Male:] Just a little bit of champagne I think, actually. Just a little bit. We don't have telltales but there has been alcohol on the ship. I mean, what would you expect to us do? It's cold out there and we're alone from everyone else. And yeah, but we have to drink something.
[Cooper:] There is certainly no shortage ice for your drink so you can certainly keep them nice and cool. You guys are waiting for a helicopter. But I've never met people who were like jollier and happier.
[Griffin:] They're like "Sex in the City" having mimosas. Which one is Carrie?
[Cooper:] You guys are keeping up morale.
[Unidentified Male:] We're working on to keep everyone going and everyone's been fantastic with a great team spirit and just to get party getting home really. Yesterday the passengers went out onto the ice and they stamped flat an area where a potentially a helicopter could land to evacuate us and everyone sort of linked arms and sang "Auld Lang Syne" and sung it was a wonderful sight to see.
[Cooper:] That's really cool. I would love to see that.
[Griffin:] We do the same thing here. We're just waiting for the helicopter to come rescue us me in particular.
[Unidentified Male:] Anderson, we hear you're cold, Anderson. Here's a coat. We're going to send it to you via penguin.
[Griffin:] I told you.
[Cooper:] Excellent. Thank you very much. We could use it here. What is the temperature where you guys are at?
[Unidentified Male:] Inaudible wear base layer, then your mid layer, then a down layer.
[Cooper:] OK.
[Griffin:] You're losing your minds. You need psychological help.
[Cooper:] Listen, you guys, I really think you're so inspiring in the way you're facing all this and we wish you just the best and we hope to get you home to your family soon and we'll talk to you then. Chris, thank you so much, Laurence Topham as well, guys, Alok, really all the best.
[Griffin:] Happy New Year.
[Cooper:] just remarkable. Happy New Year, guys.
[Griffin:] Like no other New Year. It's a great story.
[Cooper:] Yeah. I'll never forget that one. We'll see you. Hope you get back soon. We're going to be shortly we'll go down to New Orleans.
[Griffin:] Are we going to see the Hornets game? I love the Hornets. I hope they go to the finals.
[Cooper:] They used to be called the Hornets until last year. They're now the Pelicans.
[Griffin:] I hope they go to the World series.
[Cooper:] And this is some of the celebrations happening in New Orleans where it's 9:27 p.m. We're about an hour and 30 minutes from the ball drop here.
[Griffin:] Yeah. Go out and do your job. Rocking out it says rocking out.
[Cooper:] It says rocking out.
[Griffin:] The guy writing the teleprompter is making fun of you right to the face.
[Cooper:] I know he is. I know he is.
[Griffin:] Rocking it out.
[Cooper:] Here's how they celebrated in Amsterdam.
[Griffin:] Oh, weed.
[Anna Coren, Cnn International Correspondent:] Hello. I'm Anna Coren in Hong Kong, but we're a moment's away from farewelling 2013 and welcoming in the New Year. We are down at the Victoria Harbor along with 400,000 other people who've come to see the spectacular fireworks show that Hong Kong is so famous for. We can hear the crowd. They are counting. So let's go to the count down.
[All:] 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
[Cooper:] Amazing fireworks display in Hong Kong.
[Griffin:] It's no Dubai, I'm not going to lie. Dubai really wins this year.
[Cooper:] But I thought that was very good.
[Griffin:] It was great. How many times have you been to Hong Kong?
[Cooper:] Only once actually.
[Griffin:] Have you ever tweeted any angry tweets from there?
[Cooper:] No. I've not tweeted any angry tweets from Hong Kong.
[Griffin:] When you're angry tweeting how often are you on Ambien? Twenty percent? Because the last time you tweeted on a flight gnawing on an Ambien.
[Cooper:] Did I really?
[Griffin:] Yeah, gnawing like a chipmunk.
[Cooper:] I was going to say the only time I take Ambien usually is when I'm on a flight. And I learned Dr. Drew told me this year you're not supposed to take Ambien and red wine on a flight.
[Griffin:] Maybe because it's a prescription drug and alcohol.
[Cooper:] I know, but
[I -- Griffin:] OK. You don't know where the Supreme Court is. You don't know you're not supposed to mix drugs and alcohol. I just, by the way, e-mailed Anderson's mom, Gloria Vanderbilt. I said Anderson is crying. I didn't know any other way to tell her.
[Cooper:] Has Rachael Ray responded?
[Griffin:] Yeah. So
[Cooper:] She's sending lies to Rachael Ray. She's sending lies saying I'm saying terrible things about Rachael Ray's cooking.
[Griffin:] I did.
[Cooper:] I have nothing Rachael Ray seems like a lovely person and looks like a very good cook.
[Griffin:] It's not what you said. I texted Rachael Ray and said, Anderson Cooper thinks your cooking sucks. And she wrote back, wow, he can't handle the marathon. Wow. Do six hours instead of him. Wow. Best New Year's show. Sorry about Anderson. She's not happy.
[Cooper:] She didn't say that.
[Griffin:] And Rachael Ray is so sweet. I mean
[Cooper:] Did she really say that?
[Griffin:] But as long as I can get you to think she said it for 30 seconds I've won.
[Cooper:] We're here in Times Square, about 90 minutes or so away from the start of 2014. And for me as much as I love your witty repartee, I love the moment when the ball drops and for about ten minutes
[Griffin:] I shut up?
[Cooper:] Well, yeah, because actually, I have a silence rule where we don't talk during that time and we just allow the natural sound to play and so
[Griffin:] It is a nice moment.
[Cooper:] It's an incredible moment. It really is an extraordinary moment and just to witness that is an incredible thing. Melissa Etheridge is here and is going to be singing "Imagine" for the entire crowd.
[Griffin:] It's really great, a truly inspirational song. And by the way, in all seriousness, I want to give a shout out to my brother Gary who's fighting stage four esophageal cancer. He's being so brave. He's Been fighting it for two-and-a-half years. Gary, I love you and I hope you're doing great tonight. He promised he would watch.
[Cooper:] Well, that's nice. Well, we wish you the best.
[Griffin:] That's right. So we have the serious moment along with your ridiculous tweet.
[Cooper:] My nephew Miles is watching tonight as well. I just got a text from him. He's 15.
[Griffin:] Is he trying to stick up for you in the big battle with Rachael Ray that you're having? I don't know. If you make an enemy with Rachael Ray that could be some gnarly mac-and-cheese.
[Cooper:] I know, I know because she's got magazine. She's got an empire.
[Griffin:] Honey, she's got so much more money than you, it's ridiculous
[Cooper:] Does she have more money than Seacrest? I don't think so. Nobody gets more money than
[Griffin:] No because she gives a bunch to charity. She's doing that like Bill Clinton
[Cooper:] Of course, Seacrest does it too.
[Griffin:] Do you think Ryan Seacrest gives to charity? No.
[Cooper:] No. I'm sure he does.
[Griffin:] Here's one of your tweets, and I'm quoting once again, because I'm fascinated that you have 5 million people hanging on your every word and here's one of the pearls of wisdom. "I appreciate the birthday wishes, but my birthday is actually June 3rd. Thanks, though."
[Cooper:] No, no. That's not the right tone.
[Griffin:] OK. Clearly. Thanks, though. Why don't you say thanks though in your face.
[Cooper:] No. The other day I started getting all these birthday wishes
[Griffin:] OK. People love you.
[Cooper:] and I thought it was very sweet, but then it's not my birthday. So I was saying, you know, thank you very much. This is how I interpret it, thank you very much for all the birthday wishes. My birthday is not until June but thanks, though.
[Griffin:] But thanks, though. Never. It's like this "thank you very much. It's the wrong day. Take back the hope diamond."
[Cooper:] I was thanks, though.
[Griffin:] Easy, four tenors. What's going on here? By the way, we'll have the Four Tenors here live in 20 minutes.
[Cooper:] No. They're not going to be here live. But Macklemore will be here live
[Griffin:] Macklemore really is going to be here. I'm actually now afraid people think we are kidding
[Cooper:] No, he's going to be here and I promise I will not ask him what his New Year's resolution is.
[Griffin:] Oh, I can't wait to hear Macklemore's resolution because that's what the kids want to know. Let me ask you about the year's movies.
[Cooper:] OK, yeah.
[Griffin:] Did you see a movie starring Oprah and apparently there was some butler in it? Anyway it was called "The Oprah" directed by Lee Daniels.
[Cooper:] Lee Daniels is butler, yeah.
[Griffin:] Yes.
[Cooper:] I interviewed Oprah about it.
[Griffin:] You guys are back?
[Cooper:] And Forest Whitaker.
[Griffin:] I heard she was really angry with you. Oprah called me yesterday
[Cooper:] Really?
[Griffin:] and she was like, do not talk to him. And then Gayle got on the line
[Cooper:] Really?
[Griffin:] Yeah, they were serious.
[Cooper:] I get e-mails from Gayle every now and then. She and I go back forth.
[Griffin:] Not Oprah though. Not Oprah. Be honest.
[Cooper:] No, it's not.
[Griffin:] When you get one from Gayle, you're like, it's Gayle, right?
[Cooper:] Yeah, I'm very excited. I like Gayle her very much.
[Griffin:] I know, but not Oprah
[Cooper:] And I like Gayle on the morning show. There was certainly oh yeah, my favorite movie of the year
[Griffin:] By the way, that's how tight the show is. Anderson occasionally goes oh, gosh there's something I wanted to tell you. I mean, the prep he does is so detailed.
[Cooper:] I'm telling you how I prepped today.
[Griffin:] OK, go ahead.
[Cooper:] "Lone Survivor" comes out January 10th. I did a piece on "60 Minutes" about Marcus Luttrell who the movie is about. It is a great, great movie.
[Griffin:] All right. I watch all your work. I'm a big fan. Did you like "Gravity"?
[Cooper:] I haven't seen it yet.
[Griffin:] Well, here's the deal. Sandra Bullock has a short wig and she's trapped in a spaceship. It's very gritty. It's like inaudible.
[Cooper:] I wanted to see it in IMAX but then it was so crowded and then by the time I figured it wouldn't be crowded it was no longer in IMAX, so I kind of feel like I missed it. I just saw "Wolf of Wall Street" which I loved.
[Griffin:] I thought you just said, I just saw Wolf Blitzer who I'm in love with. Breaking news, Anderson Cooper is in love with Wolf Blitzer. And I don't blame you. He's an every man.
[Cooper:] What's your New Year's resolution?
[Griffin:] Are you being coy with me?
[Cooper:] Yeah
[Griffin:] Did you just actually give me a little bit of the old Sears catalog Anderson?
[Cooper:] I never did Sears catalog. I did Macy's. I did a lot of Macy's
[Griffin:] Sorry.
[Cooper:] Oh yeah. And I did Ralph Lauren and Calvin Klein.
[Griffin:] Of course you did Ralph Lauren. Boy, you are really
[Cooper:] We're talking about my modeling days when I was 10 years old because I wanted to earn money.
[Griffin:] Look, it's not that different what you're doing now, all right. First of all, he can barely read because he keeps saying rock it on out. What did the Dow close at today?
[Cooper:] What did what?
[Griffin:] The Dow.
[Cooper:] I can't hear you.
[Griffin:] What did the Dow close at today?
[Cooper:] What did the Dow close at? Probably like 16,200 and something?
[Griffin:] No, 15,576. Yeah.
[Cooper:] OK.
[Griffin:] All right, fine. Which states accepted Medicaid expansion under ObamaCare? Go.
[Cooper:] I can barely hear you. What is it?
[Griffin:] Which states accepted Medicaid expansions under ObamaCare?
[Cooper:] I don't know. It's too late for this.
[Griffin:] California, New York, Texas, Kentucky, North Dakota oh, wait.
[Cooper:] OK.
[Griffin:] This is where you get to show America how smart you are.
[Cooper:] I'm sorry?
[Griffin:] This is where you get to show America how smart you are.
[Cooper:] OK. Bring it.
[Griffin:] All right, fine. Let's just talk about our texting.
[Cooper:] No, no, no
[Griffin:] I actually have screen shots of our texts between us, our personal text.
[Cooper:] OK.
[Griffin:] And one of them I want to talk to you about tonight. And I texted you the simple question, are you nervous? And then your answer was always.
[Cooper:] Is that maybe yeah. That might have been true right now, but I don't remember it all. Lately I have not been remembering texts I've been sending.
[Griffin:] What's going on? Are you and Sanjay smoking a lot of weed?
[Cooper:] No, I do not do that.
[Griffin:] What's going to happen in Colorado at midnight?
[Cooper:] That's what's really interesting, actually. It's actually legalized.
[Griffin:] Yes. I saw you guys did a story where there's a dude I've never even seen on the channel in the middle of a field of weed reporting.
[Cooper:] Did you say a dude from the channel?
[Griffin:] From this channel. I don't know the name. I tweeted it. There's a picture of a CNN dude like just sitting in a field of weed. That's it.
[Cooper:] Do you ever remember those commercials, for Wheat Thins with Sandy Duncan where she was and she said, why am I in the middle of a wheat field?
[Griffin:] Yes.
[Cooper:] And she had her little shirt tied in a bow in the front?
[Griffin:] I remember everything about Sandy Duncan.
[Cooper:] Let's check in with Brooke Baldwin who is down in New Orleans and see what's up with her.
[Griffin:] And Hornets. Go Hornets.
[Cooper:] Brooke, how are you doing?
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] We're doing pretty well, you know. There's a little rain happening in New Orleans, but if you all have ever been in New Orleans at any given time, on any given day, at any given hour inaudible so it is here in Jackson Square. I have Sib and I have Doug standing with me. They have come for four years in a row from Erie, Michigan to be part of this amazing city. And I love your story because you said it was Katrina that really inspired you to come down. How so?
[Doug:] Well, you know, a few similarities with southeast Michigan and New Orleans here. We had some rough times and we wanted to come down after Katrina hit and really kind of show our support.
[Baldwin:] And you are clearly doing that. You're all bedazzled and beaded and blinking and I love it. Let me ask you, Sib, do you believe it New Year's resolutions?
[Sib:] Yes, I do.
[Baldwin:] What are you thinking for 2014?
[Sib:] I want to do a 365-day challenge of yoga this year.
[Baldwin:] Yoga. I love it. I tried it for a couple of months to get new high for me. Do you have a resolution, my friend?
[Doug:] Well, nothing really specific except for just to keep my lovely wife happy.
[Baldwin:] Having a good time. Just reminder to all of you watching, we will stay here even though Anderson and Kathy maybe going to bed, we will be right here when the fleur de lis drops, so don't leave me until 1:00 a.m. Eastern time here on CNN. Back to you guys in Times Square.
[Cooper:] All right. Brooke, thanks very much. We are about an hour and 18 or so away from the ball drop here in Times Square. Let's check in with Susan Hendricks. She is live in Nashville.
[Griffin:] I think Brooke said that we're going to bed together later tonight. That's all I heard.
[Cooper:] No, no. She didn't say that. We're done at 12:30. Let's check in with Susan Hendricks in Nashville. Susan.
[Susan Hendricks, Cnn Anchor:] Hey, Anderson and Kathy, I'll tell you, when there's 70,000 people in one place you make friends and you make them fast. I have three of them up with me. This is Matthew here decked out with the American flag and also a fancy guitar, and my two friends Kitty and Debbie. What are you guys here for? Who are you here to see?
[Unidentified Male:] Hank Jr.!
[Hendricks:] Does the crowd bother you at all? Are you having a good time?
[Unidentified Male:] Having a ball. Having a great time.
[Hendricks:] All right, we'll go over to Matthew here. Matthew, your third time here. What do you think this year? The crowd is massive.
[Matthew:] Well, the crowd is having a great time. And I enjoy the party. I enjoy Nashville.
[Hendricks:] Do you wear this during the fourth of July? Or you save it for New Year?
[Matthew:] Yes I do. I've got three shirts. So I dress like this on the weekends when I come out and have a good time.
[Hendricks:] Are you going to play the guitar or just hold it? Can you play a chord?
[Matthew:] I think I'll hold it because I don't know how to play.
[Hendricks:] But it looks good. It looks good. And that's all that matters. All right. Matthew, Kitty and Debbie, great to talk to you guys. We're making friends here, Kathy and Anderson, waiting to bring in the New Year here in Nashville. Back to you guys.
[Cooper:] Hey, we're back on air.
[Griffin:] We are?
[Cooper:] Yes, we are.
[Griffin:] We weren't watching the other broadcasts at all. That's crazy.
[Cooper:] No, we weren't. There's no other broadcast that is having as much fun.
[Griffin:] All I'm saying is the ceiling can't hold us.
[Cooper:] The what?
[Griffin:] Because the ceiling can't hold us.
[Cooper:] Macklemore is coming here. Very excited. Yeah, very excited and
[Griffin:] Yes. And somebody said we're going to bed together later which I would like to debunk right now. You wish.
[Cooper:] Completely and I can't handle it.
[Griffin:] First of all, that's your dream, not mine. OK. I could have any guy I want in this whole I could have Macklemore, I could have Seacrest, obviously.
[Cooper:] How did you now become friends and linked with Seacrest?
[Griffin:] Because you are the evil that united us. That is the kind of don't you give me the shocked look. Do not give me the shocked look. I've not seen that for inaudible 27 years?
[Cooper:] She claimed that I blew her off for dinner with Seacrest last night. I had to work last night.
[Griffin:] OK. First of all, I have connected with Ryan and Ryan Seacrest was hosting Jingle Ball. Miley Cyrus was there. I got to see Selena Gomez have one of her fits on stage which is very exciting
[Cooper:] Why did Selena Gomez have a fit?
[Griffin:] How could you even ask that after the year she's had?
[Cooper:] What kind of year has she had? I don't know. I'm unfamiliar.
[Griffin:] Selena and the Biebs broke up finally. I mean, they were on, they were off, they were where have you been, grandma? Why don't you move the rock that you're living on
[Cooper:] What else was the big stuff this year? Rob Ford
[Griffin:] Look, I'm part of Ford nation and I know this goes against everything I stand for. I'm sorry. I apologize. I can't help it. I love that he shows up to the city council meetings in the Argonauts jersey. He's not even a maple leaf's fan, and I like that he accidentally just knocks over old ladies, so I know it's wrong, but I like that he calls bicyclists assholes. We got to get rid of the bicycle lane and they're assholes. I mean, these are all quotes. Rob Ford, the mayor of Toronto is funny. He's accidentally funny.
[Cooper:] He had those extraordinary news conferences where I mean, the one time where he said he probably smoked crack in one of his drunken stupors.
[Griffin:] Well, I might have smoked crack but probably in one of my drunken stupors.
[Cooper:] And then he thinks there's no way he could top that press conference
[Griffin:] But he did.
[Cooper:] and then he did by talking about other stuff, you know
[Griffin:] Now you're going to act shy?
[Cooper:] Yeah, I'm
[Griffin:] Because on "Anderson 360" you were happy to talk about it with Andrew Sullivan. You and your good buddy Andrew Sullivan were just talking about the storm of
[Cooper:] Anyway.
[Griffin:] It was actually a quote on the Rob Ford conference.
[Cooper:] Yeah. I know, I know because that's what Rob Ford was talking about.
[Griffin:] And then I believe there was a connection with your mother.
[Cooper:] We don't need to go there.
[Griffin:] Because she wrote about it in a book.
[Cooper:] She wrote about it in a book, but we
[Griffin:] She's more open-minded than you
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Griffin:] In many ways.
[Cooper:] It makes me very untouchable. I don't need to we don't need to talk about it.
[Griffin:] All right. I just want to say my annual you do realize you will never live up to your mother. I need to say it once a year. I just need you to know that.
[Cooper:] I do.
[Griffin:] Are we going to talk about Mayor Ford anymore? I'm obsessed with him of course. Does he have any power at all until I move there?
[Cooper:] No. He does not his power has basically been taken away.
[Griffin:] Why?
[Cooper:] Well, because the way the system works there, with the city council which is it's not a mayoral system like they have here in New York.
[Griffin:] I know, but how can you have that TV show for only one night? He had a TV show with his brother who maybe is an enabler. I say that with quotes.
[Cooper:] But you know, it's easy to make fun of this stuff, but he very well may have a serious problem.
[Griffin:] No. Clearly and also the things he actually stands for are against everything I believe. He's just accidentally amusing to watch. He's a good YouTube.
[Cooper:] I saw I think it was a statement by Chris Farley's brother saying
[Griffin:] Kevin Farley really should play Rob Ford no doubt.
[Cooper:] But the brother was saying how if only Chris Farley was still alive he would have been amazing.
[Griffin:] That's really true. That is no insult to any Farleys.
[Cooper:] Let's play actually that incredible sound bite from the mayor talking.
[Griffin:] OK.
[Rob Ford:] Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. But no, do I am I an addict? No. Have I tried it? Probably in one of my drunken stupors.
[Cooper:] I mean, the incredible thing about that is, he also then claimed that reporters that the reason he denied it a million times before is that reporters never asked him the right way
[Griffin:] Correct.
[Cooper:] because they always said like, are you smoking or do you smoke crack? And he's like, I never said was I smoking crack in that moment? No, I wasn't.
[Griffin:] I could be his press agent because my favorite line of his is as he's getting into the elevator and the mobs are following he keeps saying "be careful on what you write, be careful on what you write" which is as you would say via Twitter not grammatically correct. And I love when you correct people's grammar on Twitter, as if they're not like hammered tweeting you at 2:00 in the morning saying
[Cooper:] No, the only times
[I -- Griffin:] I can just see you. Sir, first of all you've made a grammatical error.
[Cooper:] Well, I don't like when people tweet completely factually incorrect things about like or things I have reported on and are just wrong.
[Griffin:] I agree. I think you should go after every single one of them.
[Cooper:] No, no, not
[Griffin:] Because twitter is a reliable source for news and accuracy.
[Cooper:] I just you know, anyway.
[Griffin:] I know. Look, are you going to go to the Super Bowl? It's here in New York. You have to know that.
[Cooper:] No, I'm not.
[Griffin:] But it's here in New York
[Cooper:] Well, I don't think I can get tickets. I don't know. How do you get
[Griffin:] Here we go. Do you know who's playing?
[Cooper:] No.
[Griffin:] You don't know who's in the Super Bowl? You have to know who's playing in the Super Bowl.
[Cooper:] They haven't the playoffs haven't even started.
[Griffin:] All right. OK. I saw that guy cheat and tell you.
[Cooper:] Nobody said anything. They haven't even started. So the teams are not yet determined.
[Griffin:] All right.
[Cooper:] Didn't you know that?
[Griffin:] Yes, I did.
[Cooper:] You know that because it's written on a card probably.
[Griffin:] No, but I well, all right. But you're supposed to know. You're newsman.
[Cooper:] I never pretended
[Griffin:] You just interviewed the NFL or whatever. Didn't you just do an interview before the broadcast with some like sports channel?
[Cooper:] Oh yeah. I was on the like NFL pregame show.
[Griffin:] What? Why and how?
[Cooper:] I don't know. The
[Nba. Griffin:] Same thing.
[Cooper:] They asked me to be on they were very funny and they're very nice guys and I had a chat with them. I was petrified because I was afraid they were going to ask me about like what my team is
[Griffin:] All right. What team is
[Cooper:] and before I went on I was like saying to the guys, like, what team would I support if I support a team and
[Griffin:] Clearly the New Orleans Pistols or whatever you call them.
[Cooper:] But tonight it was Oklahoma City versus Portland
[Griffin:] Yeah.
[Cooper:] and I like both cities a lot, so I was torn. So anyway. We're going to take a quick break. What's become somehow a New Year's tradition, the sushi dropping in a shoe-in key west?
[Griffin:] If she's there.
[Cooper:] She's in the shoe now. She is dumped precariously in the shoe. And that's what's fun about this it's always teetering on the brink of disaster.
[Griffin:] It's clearly live. It's clearly live.
[Cooper:] One year the shoe stalled and she was falling on the roof of the bar.
[Griffin:] She can also be a little sassy with you.
[Cooper:] Which is fine.
[Griffin:] I know.
[Cooper:] So Nashville, we're live in New Orleans, Indiana, the watermelon drop all the hardest to get bookings we have tonight.
[Griffin:] We're rocking it out. We apologize to Britney.
[Cooper:] As we go to break let's take a look at New York City, the shot from high atop the Marriott Marquis right behind where we are, ready to ring in 2014. We'll be right back.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] I'm Erin McLaughlin at a restaurant in Rome. There's an old Italian tradition that says, the more you inaudible on New Year's Eve, the more money you get in the New Year. And with the recession, well, this country moves it inaudible now it's time to party. Here we go, the final moments of 2013. That's how we do it in Rome. Back to you, Anderson.
[Cooper:] Welcome back. We are live here in New York with Kathy Griffin. We're joined by rapper Macklemore and collaborator and producer Ryan Lewis who just performed here. You guys were awesome tonight. How's it going?
[Macklemore:] Thank you, man. It's going amazing.
[Cooper:] You had an incredible, incredible year.
[Macklemore:] It has been a ride. We kind of came into 2013 underground rap group and here we are with you guys on some platform in Times Square right now.
[Griffin:] I have a question for you. I hope this isn't too personal. What is your New Year's resolution?
[Cooper:] She's making fun of me because I stupidly asked that question.
[Griffin:] He asked the question
[Macklemore:] It's so personal.
[Griffin:] I know.
[Cooper:] You don't have to answer.
[Macklemore:] I want to get into the studio and make music. 2013 we toured all year long and i want to get back into the studio and make some art.
[Griffin:] Hey, I was at Jingle Ball when you guys were there. Remember when Selena Gomez said what the F really loud and then boom, threw the mike down at Chris Rock?
[Macklemore:] I did.
[Griffin:] Confirm it, yes.
[Macklemore:] I watched it on the internet.
[Griffin:] Wasn't it great?
[Macklemore:] It was impressive. I heard R. Kelly was there. I missed R. Kelly which really bummed me out.
[Griffin:] He's always controversial and great.
[Macklemore:] Yes. He's a hero of mine for the music that he makes. He's a genius.
[Cooper:] When did you guys start working together? How long have you been
[Macklemore:] Six years ago? Something like that.
[Cooper:] How did you meet up?
[Macklemore:] We met on MySpace.
[Cooper:] Really?
[Macklemore:] For everyone who knows what MySpace is. An old booty call site.
[Cooper:] Purchased by Rupert Murdoch for like $500 million and then it's now worth like 50 cents.
[Griffin:] I thought Justin Timberlake had a stock in MySpace. He's trying to bring it back.
[Cooper:] Really?
[Griffin:] That's what I heard. What can you say, Macklemore?
[Macklemore:] It's going to take a lot. Justin may be able to do it. If anyone can do it, it would be Justin Timberlake.
[Griffin:] I want to admit to you, as fellow Grammy nominee, I thought Ft. was a person. I'm not kidding. Every song that says Nicki Minaj Ft. Lil Wayne
[Macklemore:] Ft. is on everything.
[Griffin:] Ft. should win everything.
[Macklemore:] It's everything, everywhere.
[Griffin:] It's short for?
[Macklemore:] Feature.
[Griffin:] Thank you.
[Macklemore:] Featuring. Yes.
[Cooper:] One of your songs "Same Love" has gotten huge amount of pick up this year, huge amount of attention. What made you write that song?
[Macklemore:] My mom actually sent me a news article of a gay bullied kid who had committed suicide who was 13 or 14 years old. And I realized that some stories affect you personally. I have two gay uncles, a gay godfather. I realized that this had become an epidemic, was becoming an epidemic in America and as an artist you have a voice and I wanted to speak on that. I didn't know how to speak on it. I tried writing it from the perspective of that gay bullied kid and brought it to Ryan and Ryan said, no, this is not your side of the story to share but you do have a story in this. And I was raised a Catholic Irish catholic background. Gay godfathers, gay uncles in a gay area of Seattle and I'm a hip-hop artist, so there's all these different things to pick from, all these different communities and I shared my story honestly and, you know, it managed to affect people.
[Cooper:] That's a beautiful song and it's really
[Macklemore:] Appreciate it.
[Cooper:] affected a lot of people's lives.
[Macklemore:] Appreciate it.
[Cooper:] We wish you the best for the New Year
[Macklemore:] Thank you guys. Thank you guys. We're big fans of both of you.
[Griffin:] Great performers great live performers, real performers. No lip syncing. Real deal.
[Macklemore:] Yeah.
[Griffin:] Appreciate it.
[Macklemore:] Appreciate you guys.
[Cooper:] We've got to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

[Dan Simon, Cnn Correspondent:] The aftermath of a fast- moving blaze that took out two dozen homes in a single night. This is drone video captured by a local resident as the flames came barreling down a canyon and then igniting a multitude of houses. It came really fast, didn't it?
[Keith Newberry, Home Was Destroyed By Fire:] Yeah. Extremely fast. I mean I can't believe the storm and a fire creates.
[Simon:] One of the houses belonged to Keith Newberry.
[Newberry:] I came my home was over there.
[Simon:] The 44-year-old returning to the house he lived in with his wife and three children. [on camera]: Is there anything you were able to save?
[Newberry:] I mean, we saved our pictures and took our computer tower because it has all of our important stuff on it. The rest of it is replaceable.
[Simon:] He became emotional thinking about his youngest daughter. A nine-year-old.
[Newberry:] She was in a swimsuit. We're not the only ones. It is happening for years and years and years. Be strong and rebuild.
[Simon:] At least 3,000 acres were charred along with the two dozen homes that were destroyed. A wall of fire coming over a canyon and into the subdivision with flying embers landing in all directions.
[Carmyn Riggens, Neighbor:] The flames were just, they looked evil. They were it was scary. It is scariest thing I have ever seen.
[Steve Clive, Neighbor:] As we were grabbing stuff, some guy kind of...
[Unidentified Female:] A fireman
[Clive:] Yeah. He came into the house, announced, no door bell, no nothing. He just opened the door and said get out, get out. There were houses on the back side, they are on fire. Just go. And so we just went.
[Simon:] Fire crews' rapid response undoubtedly saved both lives and property. A lot of time we focus on the structures lost. But agencies locally, many structures that were actually saved out there.
[Nathan Rabo, Fire Incident Commander:] We focus on structures loss. We are all certain there is works to the crews and agencies here locally. There is a mini-structures that are actually saved out there.
[Simon:] Authorities are optimistic they're getting a handle on the blaze, but Washington like much of the West Coast is also in the middle of a severe drought. So there's a fear this could be a long wildfire season and crews are concerned that Fourth of July fireworks could trigger more devastation. As for Keith...
[Newberry:] It is surreal. Sad. Lost some important memories. But a chance to rebuild.
[Simon:] And he wants to rebuild in the same spot.
[Newberry:] We'll be sitting on the back patio and barbecuing and have the house the way we wanted it. It will be fine.
[Cooper:] It's just heartbreaking. Dan Simon joins us now. What are the conditions like there right now? I mean I know yesterday it was 100 degrees. Not even in the fire zone.
[Simon:] Triple digit temperatures again, Anderson. So, it's a very difficult day for firefighters. We are in the Broadview subdivision, specifically on Maiden Lane and the devastation is just unbelievable. About eight or nine homes just on this one block. It looks the same across the street. Now, in terms of where we are right now, officially they're saying it's a ten percent containment. But it appears at the moment there is no active flames. So, authorities are optimistic that they're getting the upper hand on this fire, but we do have to talk about the drought. Washington State like much of the West Coast is experiencing a severe drought. So there is a lot of concern. Especially with the Fourth of July holiday coming up that you'll have somebody shoot off a firework and start another wildfire. So authorities are hoping that people just use common sense. Anderson.
[Cooper:] Yeah, Dan Simon, I appreciate the report. Thank you. Joining me now, is John Dominguez whose home was destroyed in the wildfire. John, I understand you've just gotten back from vacation when you saw flames coming toward your home. What happened then?
[John Dominguez, House Burned To Ground In Wash. Wildfire:] Well, actually they were a ways away. I'm guessing at least three, four miles away in a town nearby called Monitor. And it isn't unusual for us to see brush fires. And they usually often snuff themselves out or the firemen are great at putting them out. But it seemed so far away and so unlikely to affect us at the time.
[Cooper:] How quickly did it actually get close?
[Dominguez:] It came really kind of all at once. It was, I guess about eight, shortly before that we weren't on any level. And then a policeman came through and said that we are on level one, which basically means pack everything up. You might need to get out of here. And I guess we're estimating like 15, 20 minutes later, my wife came through the house kind of screaming at me to get out. I was packing some of the things that any of us might pack if we get into this kind of a situation. By the time I pulled the car out of our garage, there was a fire ball behind my neighbor's house.
[Cooper:] Wow. That's incredible!
[Dominguez:] Maybe it's 150 feet away from here. Oh, yeah, and it was more real when I saw smoke, black smoke billowing up as though something had really caught fire. And at that point, my wife was still trying to train some hoses on the house. And her brother who lives with us was trying to get some things out. And then I turned to screaming at them. We've got to get out of here! And I screamed a couple of times, honked the horn and we got in and we got out.
[Cooper:] And do you have pets? You were able to get them?
[Dominguez:] Yeah. We have four pets. One of the cats, which was outside my wife kept calling and we basically decided we have to leave that cat which would have killed my wife. It showed up at the back door in the last moment.
[Cooper:] Wow.
[Dominguez:] Really the last moment.
[Cooper:] That's amazing. I mean I hate to ask this question. Have you seen your house? Is there anything left of it?
[Dominguez:] You know, you can't come back into the neighborhood ones something like this happens. They keep you out. But the next morning we could come back and it was, you know, smoldering. A smoky scene. It looked like any of a hundred pictures I've seen of World War II aftermath.
[Cooper:] And we're looking at actually the pictures of your house right now. I mean, it's just- god, it's just unthinkable. How do you this is a dumb question. How do you deal with something like this?
[Dominguez:] I guess we're kind of in a stumble mode. We just kind of do things. When you lose all that you've accumulated, there is not a lot to do except eat and then talk about the things that you need. I couldn't go to work and that was really strange. I've missed one day of work in my whole life.
[Cooper:] John, Iisten, I wish you the best and your family the best. And I just, I hope things work out for you quickly. Thank you so much for being with us.
[Dominguez:] Oh, yeah, thank you.
[Cooper:] So sad. We'll be right back.

[Malveaux:] The mayor of San Diego begins two weeks of behavior counseling today to deal with sexual harassment allegations. A tenth woman has come forward accusing Mayor Bob Filner of unwanted sexual advances. Casey Wian joins us from Los Angeles with more of the details. Casey, last weekend, you had chance to talk to one of women. Says that he pinched her on the butt. What does this woman say he did?
[Casey Wian, Cnn Correspondent:] Suzanne, it's a little bit different of situation here. This accuser says that she met Mayor Filner in church, at a fundraiser for African refugees. At the end, she went to the mayor and reintroduced herself to him because she had met him before. And he looked in her eyes and took her by the hand, she said, and said, you're so beautiful I can't take my eyes off of you. And then, despite the wedding ring, he asked her if she was married and asked her if she would go out on date with him. While this does not rise to the level of some of the other accuser who said he had them in the infamous Filner bear hug and slobbered down their chin and outrageous things accusations, it does have a pattern that he would ask if they were married and ask them on a date in a very public setting Suzanne?
[Malveaux:] Explain what this behavior counseling involves. What will take place at this facility?
[Wian:] I'm not sure to be honest with you. They are keeping the location secret. They won't discuss what kind of therapy he's going through. When you hear someone going away to rehab, you think they will be removed from daily activities. That's won't happen with Mayor Filner. He's still going to be briefed twice a day on what's going on in the city of San Diego. He still will retain control over the city of San Diego. He has delegated some responsibilities but it's a very strange therapy Suzanne?
[Malveaux:] All right. I know quite a number of people who are saying he should step down. We'll see if the therapy follows those complaints. Thank you, Casey. Appreciate it. We're also watching this. This is closing arguments being made. This is the trial of James Whitey Bulger, the alleged crime boss accused of 19 murders during his 20-year reign of terror in Boston. Each side has three hours to make its final case before the jury decides his fate. Over the past seven weeks, jurors have heard from convicted gangsters, ex-drug dealers, families of the victims. I want to bring in Deborah Feyerick, outside the courthouse in Boston. It's been extraordinary, right, the kind of detail you've learned from the people who have taken the stand. And now the defense just starting its closing arguments, yes?
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] That's exactly right. The defense came out strong. They said is, why aren't some of the witnesses, the hit man, the enforcer, the killer, responsible for some 20 murders, why are they still out there? Why are they walking the street? They're playing to the jury's emotion, trying to remind them this should be shared equally. Bulger is not the only one responsible. That's what they came out as their first sort of salvo. But the prosecution took about three hours to make its case. And they said they tried to sum up seven weeks of evidence and testimony for more than 70 witnesses and how it relates to the 32 counts Bulger is facing. The prosecutor said, look, as leader of this organized crime ring, Whitey Bulger is legally responsible for all of it, either s a principal, aider and abettor, or as a conspirator. He implored the jury to find him guilty on every count. He said Whitey Bulger pulled the trigger over and over again. He knew where the bodies were buried, because he's the one who were there, when they were put in a dirt floor or shoved into holes where they were all found together. As for the extortion victim, the prosecution made it clear that Whitey Bulger took any chance he got to shack down people for tens of thousands of dollars and shoving a rifle into a man's mouth. They said Bulger's eyes would light up at the thought of it. The defense now has its turn. They're breaking it down and going back to the 1960s to show why the government was involved in this.
[Malveaux:] Right.
[Feyerick:] Back when the Mafia was their priority and Whitey Bulger helped them bring it down Suzanne?
[Malveaux:] All right, Deborah. Sorry we're running out of town. It's an extraordinary case. We know he's not taking the stand. Ahead on NEWSROOM, a brutal beating on a school bus caught on video. Now there are questions over why the bus driver didn't step in.

[Blitzer:] The American man on the run from espionage charges in the United States may be leaving the Moscow airport soon. And he's been there a while, we should say, almost a month already. Edward Snowden sitting in the airport, no passport, unable to leave New York, no clear destination if he does leave. He's now formally requested asylum in Russia, if you call this handwrittenletter formal. The letter is dated Monday. Snowden's lawyer in Moscow predicts his client will be able to leave the airport eventually. His words, in fact, "in the next few days." Let's see what happens there. Senator Lindsey Graham is jumping into the dispute over the NSA leaker. The South Carolina Republican says he wants the U.S. to boycott the 2014 Winter Olympic Games if if Russia grants asylum to Snowden. Russia will host those games. Graham says letting Snowden stay would be, in his words, "a slap in the face to the United States." Snowden has been holed up in that Moscow airport and, as we reported, he's applied for temporary asylum in Russia. Another Cheney enters the political arena. Liz Cheney, the former Vice President Dick Cheney's eldest daughter, will run for the United States Senate from Wyoming next year, hoping to unseat Mike Enzi. In her campaign announcement, Cheney says, "The country needs a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. But Senator Enzi says, wait a minute. He thinks voters in Wyoming will eventually stick with him. Our chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash, caught up with Mike Enzi on Capitol Hill. Dana is joining us. What did he have to say about Liz Cheney's challenge, Dana?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Wolf, the idea of Liz Cheney running for Senate is a big deal, last name Cheney. She's one of Dick Cheney's daughters and also because challenging a fellow Republican and somebody who is a longtime family friend. Mike Enzi might not have national name recognition, but he's somebody who is well known in the state where she's running in Wyoming. He was quoted, Mike Enzi, as telling some reporters, yesterday when the news broke, that, I thought we were friends. When I caught up with him today after a Health Care Committee meeting, I asked him about that and a few other things.
[Bash:] Why do you think that she believes that you aren't doing a good enough job as a Republican Senator representing Wyoming, that she would be better?
[Sen. Mike Enzi, , Wyoming:] I don't know. She's never been to any of my listening sessions. I do listening sessions all over Wyoming where I sit and listen to what constituents have to say. I'm an old shoe salesman. So I know there is a customer, I know who the customer is, I listen to the customer, and I see how that fits with inventory that I've got, which is what we're doing with legislation.
[Bash:] One of fascinating things about this decision by Liz Cheney to challenge Mike Enzi is, as you know, Wolf, we've seen in many instances where you've had intra-party fights, particularly inside the Republican Party during the last few election cycles, it's because a Senator has been here for a long time, maybe work too much with Democrats, and somebody has challenged them from the right, somebody who is more conservative. Mike Enzi is considered extremely conservative. The other instance is when somebody has just lost touch with people back home. Mike Enzi's not known as somebody who has done that. He does go home to Wyoming every weekend, as you saw there. He talks to people there all the time. It's not the case with him. But from the perspective, Liz Cheney I talked to people close to her. They say she bought a house in Wyoming just last year. She has been there growing up with her father and her mother, who have been from Wyoming. In fact, she said in her video announcing her candidacy her family goes back there to 1852. So she clearly wanted to run for the Senate. Mike Enzi decided he was going to stay in, even though he's a third- term Senator, and decided now's the time to do it. Better strike while the iron is hot. We'll see how hot it is.
[Blitzer:] It's going to be intense. We'll have more with Dana on the story later in "The Situation Room" as well. Dana, thanks very much. Coming up this hour, here in CNN's NEWSROOM, attention all shoppers out there, retailers may be tracking your movements in department stores. We'll explain what's going on.

[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn:] Thanks, Chris. It is time now for "NEWSROOM" for Poppy Harlow in for Carol Costello.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn:] Hi, Poppy.
[Camerota:] Good morning, Poppy.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning, guys. That's my favorite part of the show, "The Good Stuff." I think we should end every hour. Every hour with that. What a great story. Have a great day, guys.
[Camerota:] See you later.
[Pereira:] You too.
[Harlow:] NEWSROOM starts right now. Happening now in the NEWSROOM, tense moments in the streets. Protesters in Baltimore compared to a lynch mob by the police union. Hundreds of people demanding to know how did Freddie Gray die in police custody. Also, another embarrassment for the Secret Service. Does it really take 13 months to fix an alarm system at the home of a former president? And then this
[Unidentified Male:] I was holding on to my bible.
[Harlow:] Turbulence so bad. Passengers on this flight got sick. One even had to go to the hospital. Why the flight had to land in Boston after an international trip. Let's talk. Live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Good morning, everyone. I am Poppy Harlow in today for Carol Costello. Thanks so much for being with me. It is 9:00 here on the East Coast. Good morning to you all and this morning, we begin with a city on edge. Baltimore bracing for more protests and the angry demand for answers. Protesters calling for transparency in the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old man detained under murky circumstances and suffering a fatal spinal cord injury before even arriving at the jail. New cell phone adding new questions. This shows the police van stopped less than a block away from where Gray was arrested. It may be the last time that he was seen before the fatal injury. Our Suzanne Malveaux is in Baltimore. She has been covering this story from the beginning. She joins me this morning with the latest. What do we know at this point, Suzanne?
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] The protests, these rallies, have really grown in intensity day by day. We also expect that they're going to grow in size at noon. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference is going to be holding a rally. That is where Freddie Gray was first apprehended, and then 3:00 today is when we expect thousands of people to be here outside of city hall, the NCAA, the pastor of the family, as well as the mother and stepfather of Freddie Gray. All of them asking the question, what happened to that young man just a week ago.
[Malveaux:] Protests continuing into the night in Baltimore. After another tense standoff with police.
[Unidentified Male:] Watch yourselves. I got you.
[Malveaux:] Hundreds of protesters demanding answers in the death of Freddie Gray. People frustrated, filling the streets, blocking traffic. Some even laying down on the middle of the intersections. This as new video shows Gray minutes after his initial arrest, the last time he was seen publicly and alive. The video shows Gray not moving, laying half in, half out of the police van. This is when police say they shackled his ankles.
[Jacqueline Jackson, Witness:] He was not responding. His head was down, his feet was like this. And they picked him up and threw him up in the paddy wagon.
[Malveaux:] What exactly happened to the 25-year-old when he was placed back in that van remains a mystery.
[Michael Davey, Fraternal Order Of Police Attorney:] Something happened in that van, we just don't know what.
[Malveaux:] An attorney for the Baltimore City Police Union tried to answer questions Tuesday despite calls from protesters demanding the arrest of the six officers involved. The Fraternal Order of Police defending the officer's actions.
[Davey:] In this type of an incident you do not need probable cause to arrest, you just need reasonable suspicion to make the stop and that's what they had in this case.
[Malveaux:] More than four days after Gray died from a nearly severed spine, CNN has been told the body will be released from state custody soon, and the family wants an independent autopsy. His relatives hoping for a second opinion on the cause of death.
[Mary Koch, Freddie Gray Family Attorney:] The most that you can say about Freddie Gray's family is that they are totally devastated. They tried to process the loss of their son, their brother, their friend.
[Malveaux:] And the Baltimore mayor, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, she has reached out to the family, she wanted to meet with them to express her condolences and her support. The family declined, they say now is not an appropriate time. Their priority now is figure out arrangements to bury their son Poppy.
[Harlow:] And I know they still want to do that second independent autopsy before they even have a chance to bury him, so it may be a while. Suzanne Malveaux, reporting for us live in Baltimore this morning. Thank you, Suzanne. And while Wednesday's protests were smaller, demonstrators were just as angry. On the ground, a chaotic scene as the call for answers gets louder by the day. Some of the most compelling images include this one. Taken by our very own Brian Todd, it shows young children participating in this protest helping to block a major intersection. Joining me now to talk about it, Faraji Muhammad. He's the host of the radio show "Listen Up" on public radio station WEAA in Baltimore. He has also been involved with protests against police brutality since early March. Thanks for being with me. I appreciate it.
[Faraji Muhammad, Radio Host, "listen Up":] Good morning, Poppy.
[Harlow:] Good morning. I want to read you part of a statement from basically the Fraternal Order of Police, so the police union here, referring to some of the protests as, quote, "a lynch mob," saying here, "The images seen on television look and sound much like a lynch mob and that they are calling for the immediate imprisonment of these officers." Given the context around those words, though, what is your reaction to hearing that?
[Muhammad:] I mean, what we're seeing right now here in Baltimore, especially in west Baltimore, we're seeing the people that have been are tired of the contentious relationship between the police and their community, and I think that it's not a lynch mob, and I think that type of language characterizes a group of us who are striving to make sure that things on the ground are in a way that is not going to be threatening to each other and to other folks, but at the same time people are really angry. And I think that it's important that we understand that the anger, the raw emotion that you are seeing right now in Baltimore is a result of a lack of justice, and when there is an injustice there is going to cause an imbalance, whether it's in peoples' response, whether it's in peoples' behavior, but the emotion comes out of the fact that throughout this case there has been any there hasn't been any resolution, there hasn't been any justice, and most importantly, when there is an injustice, that's because there hasn't been really any truth that has been shared with the community, with the family, about what happened to our brother, brother Freddie Gray.
[Harlow:] So take a listen to this. Our affiliate, WJZ there in Baltimore had a chance to sit down with the Baltimore police commissioner, and I want you to listen to something he said. Listen.
[Anthony Batts, Baltimore Police Department Commissioner:] Rushing to judgment or skipping over evidence or cutting it short to just give an answer, to give to an answer is not fair to that family, it's not fair to those police officers, it's not fair to the community as a whole. We're going to have to have the community come together and calm our community. I have been in full scale riots, I've been in multiple times, and I have seen what cities look like after these things take place.
[Harlow:] He is saying, do not rush to judgment. Are you at all concerned that anyone is rushing to judgment here?
[Muhammad:] Well, I think that's always the concern because in the course of an emotional outcry like this, we don't want to we don't want to overlook the opportunity to have truth presented in this whole process. However, the rush to judgment is something that I think that needs to be really evaluated because this community in particular is considered to be what they call a high crime, high drug activity community. But you still have people there, good people, who are who live there, who've been a part of that community for many, many years, and so I think that in order for us not to rush to judgment, let's hear all the facts. There should be full disclosure as to what happened.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Muhammad:] From the time brother Freddie got in that paddy wagon to the time that he got to the district, the Western Police District. So we're saying not to rush to judgment, then we should have a greater rush to making sure that those facts are should be made clear and public so people can have an understanding. Right now everybody is in the dark. We don't know what happened. We don't know what actions the police took. We have a little bit of limited video footage, but at the end of the day we need truth and we need justice to come from that truth.
[Harlow:] And you have said that you feel like the hands of the mayor and the police chief are tied. What do you mean by that?
[Muhammad:] Well, I said that because I know that they have limited they only have limited powers in this whole issue. Myself and many other young activist in the city of Baltimore, from the time that this whole process started back in January as we were dealing with the Ferguson case, we went down to the state capital of Annapolis and we testified and we lobbied along with many others, many other community organizations, we lobbied to make sure that there was some type of police accountability reform in bills. And do you know, Poppy, that when we went down there in spite of the great support that we got, in spite of all of the energy that we brought, that those 17 police accountability bills were dead on arrival. They went through the Senate but they went through the House of Delegates, but at the same time they were tabled and not one of those 17 police accountability bills were moved by the Maryland state legislature. So when we have this conversation about police accountability, police reform, transparency, and I recognize that a lot of the things that happen with police officers exist beyond a state level because of the fraternal order of police, their policies, the law enforcement bill of rights, but when the state decides that it's not going to move further along on this issue, then what resolutions do you give to the people? How can we be justified or how is it justified to ask young people to be respectful of those in authority and in uniform when those in uniform don't show respect for us?
[Harlow:] And I know, Faraji, you're talking a bit about this law enforcement officers bill of rates to the mayor of Baltimore. Has actually lobbied to change and make several revisions to, but has not been successful in that effort at this point. We're going to talk about that more with our next guests but to you
[Muhammad:] That's crazy.
[Harlow:] To you, Faraji, thank you very much for joining me this morning. I appreciate it. You know, one of the big questions that the protesters want answers is what happened inside the transport van that was carrying Gray. On Wednesday Captain Steve CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, Paul Callan, joins me now. One thing we did not see, Paul, in that van, our camera. Should there be cameras?
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, there probably should be, given what we've been seeing happening across the United States with police- prisoner interactions. I mean, we're it's like an epidemic of behavior that is just very, very disturbing. Now we have to see what all the facts are in this particular case.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Callan:] Certainly I think video cameras would help both sides.
[Harlow:] We've been hearing a lot about this law enforcement officers' bill of rights, and that's part of why, for example, we haven't heard any statements from the police officers, right? They have 10 days before they have to say anything at all to a supervisor in a case like this. What protection does it give to the officers and how do you think it walks that line between their rights and the public's right to know?
[Callan:] Well, this is not unusual, especially in big cities. Unions have negotiated contracts on behalf of the police officers, allowing them to get a lawyer if they are facing criminal charges just like a normal citizen would be able to, and certainly because it is their job to report the facts of the alleged crime, they have a job that requires them to make a statement, but on the other hand an ordinary citizen can remain silent. So you have to find a way to balance those rights when a police officer becomes a suspect. So I'm not surprised by the Maryland rules.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Callan:] It's similar in other cities.
[Harlow:] You know, there's a really important pursing of words going on here, and that is, was it legal to pull over Freddie Gray in the first at the first in the first place, to arrest him, right? There is this difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion. You heard the attorney for the officers bring up a very important Supreme Court ruling and say that they were justified given this ruling. What is it?
[Callan:] Well, the Supreme Court has handed down a number of decisions in this area but the most important one was the "Illinois versus Wardlow" case, which says essentially that if somebody runs away from you and you're a police officer, believe it or not, that does not give you reasonable suspicion to stop somebody. However, if it's a high crime neighborhood, if the person is, say, reaching for his belt in a way that might be indicate reaching for a weapon, they can stop, frisk and detain. And that's what police are saying here. That he was not only running but he was in a high crime neighborhood which gave them the second prong of the test allowing them to make the stop.
[Harlow:] So their attorneys saying those reasonable suspicion here. What is also interesting is that the attorneys for the police said yesterday, "Our position is something happened in that van. We just don't know what." It's a very vague statement. It's hard to read. What are they saying? Who did what wrong? Were you surprised that they came out with a statement like that?
[Callan:] Yes, I am surprised because when you look at him being detained and apprehended and being put into the van in the video, he looks incapacitated to me. He looks like he's hurt. So, you wonder why didn't they leave him on the ground and call an ambulance. Once he is put in the back of the van and the van maybe pumps and, you know, get jostles as he's on his way to the station, something happens to his spine. Now, the police are responsible for his welfare once he is in custody, and it's criminal it's criminal negligence if they don't make sure he's OK. But I'm not sure the blaming the van is going to get the cops off the hook here.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] There's also that 30-minute period between the time that, you know, Freddie Gray asked reportedly for medical assistance and when he actually got it, when the paramedics were called.
[Callan:] Exactly, yes.
[Harlow:] It's something that's being called into question. Paul Callan, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Still to come here in the
[Newsroom:] a plane forced to make an emergency landing. Three passengers passing out, and now, we are getting new information this morning about what happened on board.

[Michael Smerconish, Cnn Anchor:] Hey, good morning. I'm Michael Smerconish. President Obama says he plans to degrade and destroy ISIS. House Foreign Affairs Committee chair Ed Royce and the panel ranking Democrat Eliot Engel both join me to explain what the U.S. should do. Plus could medical marijuana be the solution to drug addiction? I'll talk with the lead author of a startling new study and why women need to go to college. It's not for a B.A. but for an MRS. That's according to one woman who wrote a book on the topic. It all begins at 9:00 eastern. Christi and Martin.
[Paul:] That's going to be a good one Michael, thank you so much. "SMERCONISH" airs this morning at the top of the hour, 9:00 A.M. eastern.
[Jimmy Fallon, Host, "late Night With Jimmy Fallon":] All right. I feel bad for this lady here. A new station in southern Ohio sent a reporter out to cover a big storm. And just watch this.
[Unidentified Female:] A lot of lightning and heavy rain in the area. Gabrielle. Hey, Leticia, the wind is blowing very hard. It just broke my umbrella. I'm soaking wet. The lightning is very bright.
[Fallon:] You heard it here folks. Rain is wet and lightning is bright. OK. We understand the lightning is very bright, Gabrielle. The rain, wet?
[Paul:] Oh, I feel bad for her. Somebody put her in that position.
[Savidge:] I know. This is what happens when news directors stay behind and you go out in the field.
[Paul:] When they sit in the chairs and watch you.
[Savidge:] Yes. They're comfy and dry go, how does that happen?
[Paul:] We're not ripping on our boss or anything.
[Savidge:] No. No, not at all. A severe thunderstorm though we should point out it's heading to the northeast
[Paul:] And it is wet and it's windy.
[Savidge:] All you reporters out there, get ready to get ready to hit the street. 365,000 people without power
[Paul:] Yikes. Yes. Jennifer.
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] It was a bad one. Definitely it's going to be wet and bright across places in the Midwest and northeast as we go through the next 24 to 48 hours. And yes, really hit hard in Michigan and northern portions of Illinois. Look at the storm reports from yesterday. We have 152 winds reports, eight hail reports. In fact we have a video out of Michigan showing the storm. It was just awful. At one point, 385,000 people without power. Now that number is down to 365,000 customers. And it looks like it could take days to get power restored. More than 2,000 power lines down with this storm. So, it was definitely a nasty one. This is all part of the same system that's going to be heading to the northeast later today. Right now, not so bad. We have completely quiet conditions all up and down New England from D.C. all the way up to Boston into Maine. But some very warm moist air is fuelling the storms and that is what's going to pull in a slight risk of severe weather for today. Your main threats of course being very gusty winds, large hail, slight possibility of a tornado. But the hail and wind threat definitely going to be out there. So, U.S. Open for today could impact some of those matches. 91 degrees, your afternoon high of course. This is going to be pushing off shore as we go through tomorrow. But we could see some nasty ones across the New England area. A much cooler air, guys, coming in right behind it. We will see temperatures dip in the 70s next week.
[Savidge:] Very nice.
[Paul:] I could go running again.
[Savidge:] Open the windows.
[Paul:] Jennifer, thank you.
[Savidge:] I have been in that young lady's position of standing up in that weather.
[Paul:] Yes. Yes. And it is not easy.
[Savidge:] No, it isn't.
[Paul:] And when it is coming at you like that, God bless you.
[Savidge:] I thought she did great. Absolutely.
[Paul:] She did. She did.
[Savidge:] Moving on. She dished out harsh critiques and she made people around the world laugh while do it. After the break, we will talk with the man who helped write some of Joan Rivers' punch lines and it was very close friend of the comedienne.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back. The blistering days-long cross-examination of Oscar Pistorius has come to an end. The Blade Runner never wavering from his story that he shot his girlfriend by mistake. The prosecution, slamming that claim at every turn. Now today, Pistorius broke down saying he's not sure who's to blame. Now, what will that mean? CNN's Robyn Curnow joining us now from Pretoria, South Africa. How did that play in the courtroom, he doesn't know who's to blame?
[Robyn Curnow, Cnn Correspondent:] At one point the prosecutor putting it to him, you know, who is to blame? Is Reeva to blame? Is the government to blame? At one point I thought he felt he was stopping short of saying, you know, is it the tooth fairy? Is it Father Christmas? He was being quite sarcastic, quite pointed at him. Either say, soon after that, soon after that, Oscar Pistorius stood down, after a very short re-examination. And I must say it's been seven days on the stand, and he's looked increasingly exhausted, hollow-eyed. And I suppose with good reason because there's been really mixed legal reaction to his performance on the stand.
[Oscar Pistorius, On Trial For Fatally Shooting Girlfriend:] I was screaming Reeva, Reeva.
[Curnow:] Oscar Pistorius continuing to proclaim his innocence on the final day of the prosecution's cross-examination.
[Pistorius:] I was overcome with terror and despair.
[Curnow:] The prosecution asking crucial questions. Why would Pistorius open fire on the bathroom door if all he heard was the magazine rack move from inside?
[Unidentified Male:] Why would you fire if the magazine rack moved?
[Pistorius:] Because I thought it was the door openings, my lady.
[Unidentified Male:] No, how could you you said you thought it was the magazine rack.
[Pistorius:] I said, I think it was the magazine rack. In retrospect, it could have only been the magazine rack because the door didn't open, my lady.
[Curnow:] The prosecutor doggedly pressing the athlete on why he stopped screaming after he broke down the door and found his girlfriend, model Reeva Steenkamp, bloody and barely breathing.
[Unidentified Male:] Now seeing her for the first time that your panic would not have been at its greatest when you saw her through the broken door.
[Pistorius:] When I saw Reeva there I was broken; I was overcome with a bunch of sadness.
[Curnow:] Pistorius says shooting Reeva was a tragic mistake. The prosecution asking who then should be held responsible.
[Unidentified Male:] Who should be blamed for you having shot her?
[Pistorius:] My lady, I believed that there was a threat that was on my life.
[Curnow:] The defense bringing, the Olympian back on the stand.
[Unidentified Male:] Did you consciously pull the trigger or not?
[Pistorius:] My lady, I didn't think about pulling the trigger.
[Curnow:] Pistorius shot and killed his girlfriend in the early hours of February 14th over a year ago. The defense making the athlete read Steenkamp's Valentine's day card allowed, a card she never had a chance to give him.
[Pistorius:] I think today is a good day to tell you that. And then it says I love you.
[Curnow:] Now, what's interesting about that card and the Valentine's day present, which was a series of photos of the two couples together, was at that the police didn't consider it important enough as evidence, only submitted by the defense as evidence today, exhibit hhh. And, of course, Reeva's last message, at least for Oscar Pistorius and his team, is very important, because it paints them as a loving couple right to the end.
[Bolduan:] This isn't over yet. All right, Robyn, thank you very much, live in Pretoria, for us, South Africa. So last night you may have been lucky enough if you stayed up late enough to catch a spectacular event in the sky. A lunar eclipse turned the moon crimson red. Meteorologist Indra Petersons has been looking closer at this rare blood moon. Tell us more.
[Indra Petersons, Meteorologist:] Yeah, what it was was a total lunar eclipse. What does that mean? That means the moon was completely in the shadow of the earth. So why red, right? Let's look at it another way. Let's pretend we spin you around and pretend you're on the moon looking back at the earth. So what are you seeing? You're seeing all of the earth's sunsets and sun rises at the exact same time you project it right back at the moon, and then the moon just reflects that red color back to earth. That's why it looks red. So let's see what people kind of saw out there, shall we? Beautiful. I mean, if you were in Michigan, you actually had clearer conditions, one of the better places to view. Look at this. What a gorgeous shot. We'll show you another one, get through a couple of these here. Looks like our next shot is from Dallas, Texas, kind of a little bit of a different phase, maybe not the peak here. And then the third one here looks like from Florida. Still, I mean, really anywhere in the entire U.S. they were able to see this. Keep in mind, it's one of four that we're gonna be able to see in the next year and a half. And yeah, we're kind of getting used to this. Last time was 2003, 2004. But 1600, 1900, 300-year span they saw none of these. What did I see? The same thing Cuomo saw, absolutely nothing today, cloud cover and buildings. Not so beautiful here in New York City but a lot of you got a little bit luckier than we did.
[Bolduan:] Yet another reason it is good to live in Midwest.
[Petersons:] I will give you that today. My husband will, too.
[Bolduan:] Exactly. Thanks, Indra.
[Cuomo:] All right, coming up on NEW DAY, can the Bluefin do it? On day one the robot sub scares itself going too deep looking for flight 370. So now as crews get ready to relaunch it, is the technology up to the job?
[Bolduan:] And on Inside Politics we'll look at the politics of Edward Snowden. Some in Washington have called him a traitor, but now the newspapers have published his leaks have won Pulitzer Prizes.

[Michael Dunn, Murder Suspect:] Yes. It would be one of those Saturday things. We would go flying and go shoot trap.
[Cory Strolla, Defense Attorney:] OK. So you understand how shotguns work?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] You understand how they fire?
[Dunn:] Absolutely.
[Strolla:] You understand how projectiles come out of a shotgun?
[Dunn:] Very much so.
[Strolla:] Now, at this point, he reaches down and slams up what you think you see is a shotgun. Is that correct?
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Strolla:] Do you reach for your firearm?
[Dunn:] No, I do not.
[Strolla:] Do you say anything to him, you're dead or anything like that?
[Dunn:] No. He put he slammed something against the door and said
[Strolla:] OK, and again, you said it was only a few inches of that barrel?
[Dunn:] Yeah, I'm estimating four.
[Strolla:] And, again, at that point, did you grab your firearm?
[Dunn:] I did not.
[Strolla:] OK. Did you have any words back in terms of retaliation?
[Dunn:] No. I was in fear for my life and I was probably stunned.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point, how did that make you feel? Had anyone ever pointed a gun at you or even said that?
[Dunn:] I had never been threatened, let alone threatened with a firearm before, not threatened with death.
[Strolla:] At this point, in terms of your mental processes, could you even imagine it would escalate to that point over asking someone to lower their radio?
[Dunn:] I was incredulous.
[Strolla:] Excuse me for my ignorance. What does incredulous mean?
[Dunn:] I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing.
[Strolla:] OK. And were you frozen in that seat?
[Dunn:] I was.
[Strolla:] OK. And where was Ms. Rouer, your fiancee?
[Dunn:] She was in the store.
[Strolla:] OK. And from the back window of that SUV to you, would that be a diagonal straight line?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] And then from you to the front of that gate entrance, would that be a diagonal straight line?
[Dunn:] Yes. We were in line.
[Strolla:] So, if somebody had fired a shotgun from that angle, anybody coming out could be hit?
[Dunn:] That's correct.
[Strolla:] And that would include your fiancee?
[Dunn:] Right.
[Strolla:] OK. Did you even have time to look back to see if Ms. Rouer was coming out?
[Dunn:] I did not.
[Strolla:] OK. Now, you don't pull your weapon at this point. You're sitting there. What happens now?
[Dunn:] Well, I didn't react to this. I'm just like processing what's going on. And this young man in the back seat, the back passenger seat, opens his door, like he cracked it. He just popped it open.
[Strolla:] Could you hear the door unhinge?
[Dunn:] Yes, and I saw it move just a little bit.
[Strolla:] OK. And at that point, because you've already said you were in fear of your life when he said you're
[Dunn:] I was.
[Strolla:] Were you still in fear for your life?
[Dunn:] I became even more fearful at that point.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point, what did you believe was about to happen to you?
[Dunn:] I thought I was going to be killed.
[Strolla:] Did you even think he might be able to get a shot off?
[Dunn:] Yes. Yes, I did. But I still didn't go for my gun at that time.
[Strolla:] OK. Why is that? Why did you not reach for your gun?
[Dunn:] I couldn't tell you. Hoping that the situation was gonna de-escalate, I was in fear for my life, but I wasn't to the point where I was ready to employ deadly force.
[Strolla:] OK. And were you even thinking about it at that point?
[Dunn:] Not really. I was just going, oh, my god. Where is all this hostility coming from?
[Strolla:] And at that point, is Miss Rouer even in your view sight yet?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you know she could be standing outside your car?
[Dunn:] She could be, but my focus is to the left, and she could be standing right there.
[Strolla:] OK.
[Dunn:] And, of course, you know, a lot of things are going through my mind. It is not just my life. It is hers, too.
[Strolla:] Let me ask you this. At any time, did any of the people in the SUV try to calm that individual down?
[Dunn:] No. When I was looking at the person in the rear passenger, I could see the rear driver's side, too, and while he wasn't saying anything, it was still that I wouldn't say scowl, but you know an angry expression.
[Strolla:] And he was kind of still watching his friend?
[Dunn:] Oh, absolutely. He was like right there.
[Strolla:] Did anybody in the front seat or at any time did that back window ever come up or go up halfway or an inch or anything like that.
[Dunn:] No, it did not.
[Strolla:] OK. And again, you don't know who else is in that vehicle other than somebody working the radio, I guess?
[Dunn:] Yeah. I assume there is somebody in the front.
[Strolla:] And then the two guys in the back?
[Dunn:] Correct.
[Strolla:] And then the one guy threatening you in the back?
[Dunn:] Correct.
[Strolla:] OK. So, now, you say you see him move and you hear the door unpop.
[Dunn:] Right.
[Strolla:] Do you see the door open?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] OK. At this point, are you still frozen in fear?
[Dunn:] I am.
[Strolla:] OK. What changes? What is that variable?
[Dunn:] After the and this young man gets out and as his head clears the window frame
[Strolla:] Do you see that man try to get rid of what you thought was a shotgun that he was holding against that door?
[Dunn:] Well, when the door
[Strolla:] You didn't see his body moving, trying to get rid of it and then get out?
[Dunn:] No. I just him get out and the shotgun's not sticking up anymore.
[Strolla:] Now, in your mind, did you think he was going to get out to yell at you some more?
[Dunn:] No, this is the point where my death is imminent. He is coming to kill me. He's coming to beat me. I am not real sure what his intentions were. Actually, he made it very clear what his intentions were.
[Strolla:] But, again, you only know what you're being told and what you see.
[Dunn:] Yes, and not having any doubts at all between his threats and his actions that that is a gun in the window.
[Strolla:] OK. And, again, you see him now come out over the door frame. Is that correct?
[Dunn:] I saw his head over the window frame as he stepped out. And t was at that point
[Strolla:] Did anybody ever or let me ask you this. Have you ever been in any remote type of position like that?
[Dunn:] Never.
[Strolla:] Do you have any type of law enforcement or military training to deal with that?
[Dunn:] No, I do not.
[Strolla:] In your wildest dreams, could you fathom being in that position over a common courtesy?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Now, at this point, are you looking for Miss Rouer? Are you trying to figure out where she is? What's going through
[Dunn:] What went through my mind is that this was a clear and present danger and I said
[Strolla:] looking at him or were you now moving to [inaudible]?
[Dunn:] I said that as I was retrieving my pistol.
[Strolla:] OK. And where was your pistol?
[Dunn:] It was in my glove box.
[Strolla:] Where do you routinely keep that pistol?
[Dunn:] In my glove box.
[Strolla:] OK. Is that the same pistol we saw here today?
[Dunn:] Yes, it is.
[Strolla:] Does that pistol fit all the way down deep into that holster?
[Dunn:] Yes, it does. That's the actual holster you would use for concealed carry.
[Strolla:] And if you are concealed carrying it, it is not open carry like you see in the Wild West where the cowboys could grab their trigger and pull?
[Dunn:] Right. That's inside the waistband holster.
[Strolla:] Right. And does that trigger guard that holster cover that trigger guard?
[Dunn:] Yes, it does. You can see how it is molded over it. Like when the gun fits in, it completely covers the trigger guard.
[Strolla:] When did you have that or when did you purchase that firearm?
[Dunn:] In the early '90s, like '90, '91.
[Strolla:] And would you take that to go target practicing?
[Dunn:] Yes, I would.
[Strolla:] OK. And that's the paper target get you see in shooting ranges?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] OK. Any type of modifications or customization to that gun?
[Dunn:] The only thing I did was I took the walnut grips off and I put the Pachmayr grips. Those are the black grips. They're just nonslip.
[Strolla:] The walnut is kind of a smooth finish.
[Dunn:] Exactly.
[Strolla:] It could slip out.
[Dunn:] Exactly.
[Strolla:] And if you are shooting, even at target, the gun
[Dunn:] I think the Pachmayr grips look better and they're probably safer.
[Strolla:] And, again, have you ever had to take that out other than to shoot paper targets at a range?
[Dunn:] I've never, ever had to resort to any kind of firearm, let alone that pistol.
[Strolla:] OK. Now, can you fire that gun through the holster?
[Dunn:] No, you cannot. The trigger is completely blocked.
[Strolla:] OK. How many rounds does that gun hold?
[Dunn:] Fifteen in the magazine.
[Strolla:] OK. And you heard Ms. Pagan testify that you can carry one chambered. Is that correct?
[Dunn:] You could. I don't do that.
[Strolla:] Have you ever carried your firearms either in your house, your car, or on your person what I would call live, meaning there is a live round in the chamber?
[Dunn:] No, I don't believe in that. I think that it's a safety issue.
[Strolla:] OK. And, again, have you had guns since you had a family?
[Dunn:] Yeah. With young kids in the house, you know, especially a revolver, a kid is strong enough to pull the trigger and snap it. And a revolver is just not safe. The same thing can be said for a double-action pistol. If you have a round in the chamber, they are strong enough to pull the trigger, but they are not strong enough to work the slide, at least not enough, not until they are old enough where they know better.
[Strolla:] OK. And, again, there was some mention about your son, Chris Dunn. OK. You and Phyllis Molinaro separated when he was quite young?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did Ms. Molinaro go on to get remarried to another gentleman?
[Dunn:] She did.
[Strolla:] Did she have kids with that gentleman?
[Dunn:] Yes, she had a daughter.
[Strolla:] Did you go on to get remarried to another woman?
[Dunn:] I did.
[Strolla:] Did you have kids with that woman?
[Dunn:] Yes, I have two daughters.
[Strolla:] OK. And is that why part of your rational that you don't carry it loaded?
[Dunn:] Right. Because of my young daughters.
[Strolla:] OK. Now
[Dunn:] That pistol is actually older than they are.
[Strolla:] OK. OK, with that being said, when you reached over, tell the jury what you did. Was your glove box locked? What's going on [inaudible]?
[Dunn:] My glove box isn't locked, but the way my seat is kind of tilted back, I had to lean forward once to pop the glove box
[Strolla:] OK.
[Dunn:] And then bounce back and lean forward again to grab the pistol, like leaning forward a little bit farther.
[Strolla:] OK. And then when you grab it, is it still in the holster?
[Dunn:] Yeah. I grabbed the whole thing.
[Strolla:] Do you unholster it?
[Dunn:] I grabbed the whole thing and I threw the holster down at my feet in the car.
[Strolla:] And is this a very quick action that you are doing?
[Dunn:] Absolutely. I'm in a panic.
[Strolla:] And that's what I was going to ask you. At that point, do you also then rack the gun or cock the gun?
[Dunn:] Yeah, the to recreate it, I grab the gun and stripped off the holster and I put the pistol up into the window and cocked it and then turned to my left.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point when you turned to your left, are you trying to acquire a target or anything like that?
[Dunn:] I'm just pointing it at the direction of my attacker at that point.
[Strolla:] OK. And that's the last place you saw this person
[Dunn:] Yes. I mean, everything he said and did cemented the fact that whatever he threw up against that looked like a gun was a gun.
[Strolla:] OK. And at that point, were you shooting only to defend yourself?
[Dunn:] Yes, I was.
[Strolla:] Did you have any malice intent outside of what you have already testified to and why you grabbed your pistol?
[Dunn:] No, I do not.
[Strolla:] Had you ever met anybody in this red SUV before?
[Dunn:] No, I have not.
[Strolla:] Obviously, you have learned their names now. Have you ever had any contact with them, their families, anything at all?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] OK. Would they have even known who you are?
[Dunn:] Unlikely.
[Strolla:] OK. And, again, you said you hadn't even lived in Jacksonville since the mid-'90s?
[Dunn:] Correct.
[Strolla:] Now, how fast I know we kind of recreated and walked you through it, but if you could, could you show the jury exactly what you did when you heard, "It's going down now?"
[Dunn:] Well, if we say over here is my glove box, I'm looking out the window and I said, you
[Strolla:] And do you even recall how many times you shot?
[Dunn:] I do not.
[Strolla:] You obviously heard the video.
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] OK. You got to see the video?
[Dunn:] Yes. It was very impressive.
[Strolla:] And how did that make you feel watching it?
[Dunn:] It put me back in the moment.
[Strolla:] How did that make you feel?
[Dunn:] Scared.
[Strolla:] OK. About as scared as you were that day?
[Dunn:] Not even a little bit, but it brought some of it back.
[Strolla:] OK. And, again, have you ever been put in that position before in your life?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Do you have any type of training to deal with being put in that position?
[Unidentified Male:] Objection, that's asked and answered.
[Judge:] Sustained.
[Strolla:] Now, at that point, we hear the gun go off three times. You heard the boom, boom, boom or bang, bang, whatever, however you want to describe it. Is that you could hear it yourself?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] OK. At any point, do you then move the gun to find anybody else? Are you now searching for people?
[Dunn:] No. How can I describe this? I had what's called tunnel vision. My hearing kind of dimmed. My senses just kind of everything faded in the background. And it was focused on the target and pulling the trigger.
[Strolla:] Was that target being the red door?
[Dunn:] Just the door.
[Strolla:] Why were you shooting at the door?
[Dunn:] Well, that's where the threat was coming from. That was the last place I saw my attacker, and that was about as far back as I could get in my position.
[Strolla:] OK, and again, were you shooting directly to your left or would that be at the passenger door?
[Dunn:] That would have been at the front passenger. I was angled behind me two handed. I have a damaged right finger. I really can't shoot a gun, because I have to use this as the trigger finger. I would only be holding it with two fingers. So I have to hold it two handed for the recoil.
[Strolla:] OK. Judge, if I may, can I have him sent down so the jury can actually see his finger?
[Judge:] Sure.
[Strolla:] Mr. Dunn, if you wouldn't mind stepping down. Now when did this injury happen to your finger?
[Dunn:] 2004.
[Strolla:] OK, and is obviously.
[Dunn:] [inaudible]
[Strolla:] Could you put your whole hand down so they can compare that finger to the others? I'm just gonna have sorry. If you could just slide down. I hate to do that to you, Mr. Dunn. And could you tell the jury, how did that injury occur?
[Dunn:] Just a home improvement project gone awry.
[Strolla:] Was that with your father?
[Dunn:] Yes, it was.
[Strolla:] Did he feel kind of bad?
[Dunn:] He feels terrible.
[Strolla:] OK, and because of that, you said you have to hold it with two hands.
[Dunn:] Right, because I would otherwise just be holding the grip with two fingers and that's not enough.
[Strolla:] OK, and would it almost injure you trying to fire the gun in that -?
[Dunn:] I think it would jump out of my hand. I've never tried it. Just out of a
[Strolla:] Safety issue?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] OK. Now, with that being said, is it even possible when you're firing back at that back passenger door, is it even possible, did you duck your head and aim those crosshairs or sights?
[Dunn:] I didn't aim. I pointed.
[Strolla:] Did you even have time to try to acquire a siting and get the?
[Dunn:] No. My hands were rested on my windowsill.
[Strolla:] And why did you fire so quickly? What was still going through your mind at that moment if anything at all?
[Dunn:] I was fighting for my life.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point, you felt your life was still in danger?
[Dunn:] Oh, absolutely.
[Unidentified Male1:] I object to leading.
[Judge:] Sustained.
[Strolla:] How did you feel in terms of your mental abilities of being in fear?
[Dunn:] I was still fighting for my life. I was still in fear for my life.
[Strolla:] Did anybody yell out, "No, no, we're just kids! No, it's OK," any type of comments like that?
[Dunn:] No, nothing.
[Strolla:] Anything to de-escalate the threats towards you?
[Dunn:] Nothing at all.
[Strolla:] And at that point, at some time, do you now realize that the SUV is gone?
[Dunn:] Yes. As I mentioned, I kind of was in a fixed position with the tunnel vision. I didn't realize the SUV was moving at first. You'll see in photos that there are three holes in the front passenger. I was still aiming at the rear passenger and it didn't register that the car was backing up.
[Strolla:] OK. And at some point, you realize now there is no more red door in front of your face?
[Dunn:] I registered movement and stopped, but I'd already put three additional shots into the front passenger.
[Strolla:] OK. And again, was that with any malice and intent for anybody in the vehicle other than the gentleman who threatened your life with a firearm?
[Dunn:] No, it was just a byproduct of the tunnel vision.
[Strolla:] OK.
[Dunn:] And the panic.
[Strolla:] Did you stop once you realized that SUV is now no longer there?
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Strolla:] And at that point, did you look up?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] And where was the SUV when you looked up?
[Dunn:] They had backed up directly behind me.
[Strolla:] OK, so at that point, if you're facing this way, aiming out your door, your door is closed?
[Dunn:] My door is closed. My window is down.
[Strolla:] OK. Did you ever try to open the door and get out of the vehicle and chase them down?
[Dunn:] Not chase them down, but I did open my door.
[Strolla:] Tell the jury, why did you open your door with the SUV behind you?
[Dunn:] Well, they had a shot at the back of my head, a very easy one.
[Strolla:] And again, did you ever see anybody throw the shotgun or the deadly weapon away?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] And at that point, if they have a shotgun, what kind of sight do they have to use?
[Dunn:] Right. This is this is where Rhonda starts coming into my mind because I know she's heard the shots. I know Rhonda. It wasn't just my life I was worried about now.
[Strolla:] Was that in terms of your mental state, how did you still feel at that point in terms of the threat of imminent danger?
[Dunn:] Right, I mean, it's now double, because it is not just me we are talking about.
[Strolla:] All right. And at some point now, do you see that SUV actually drive towards a different direction or try to drive away?
[Dunn:] It did. And this is where the now they're back in line with it. They fire on me, they will hit the front door and this is where Rhonda comes out.
[Strolla:] OK, and again, with your gun, how many bullets can it fire at a time?
[Dunn:] One.
[Strolla:] And that goes in one direction?
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Strolla:] OK. With your experience and training, what does a shotgun blast do?
[Dunn:] It has a very nice spread.
[Strolla:] And the further away you get, the bigger that spread gets?
[Dunn:] The bigger the spread.
[Strolla:] OK. That's kind of why you could shoot clays at 50 yards plus and still hit it?
[Dunn:] And hit it, yes.
[Strolla:] Do you fire additional rounds into the back of the truck?
[Dunn:] I did. In my panicked state of mind, I thought I fired once, but I've seen the photographic evidence. And I shot three times.
[Strolla:] OK. What was your purpose of firing towards the back of that vehicle?
[Dunn:] I was worried about the blind firing situation where they would, you know, shoot over their heads or whatever and hit me or hit me and Rhonda.
[Strolla:] Was the back passenger window still down?
[Dunn:] Yes, it was.
[Strolla:] Could a gun barrel be pointed out there?
[Dunn:] Absolutely. It was the right it was at a 45.
[Strolla:] By 45, you mean the angle?
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Strolla:] Not the firearm.
[Dunn:] Yes, I meant the angle.
[Strolla:] OK. And at that point, what was going through your mind in terms of fear? Were you still in imminent fear?
[Dunn:] Absolutely.
[Strolla:] OK. And what was your purpose of shooting into that vehicle at that angle?
[Dunn:] To keep their heads down, to keep them from shooting blindly.
[Strolla:] OK. And again, at this point now, you know there is at least
[Dunn:] Four.
[Strolla:] And do you know what they have in that car?
[Dunn:] No. I know there is at least one weapon. Now, I've got, you know, three, four potential shooters.
[Strolla:] And again, how many are you?
[Dunn:] One.
[Strolla:] At that point, let me ask you this. After you fire the round from the back to keep their heads down, do you unload your clip? It is a common term; you just keep shooting until everything is gone.
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] OK. Why did you stop firing and at what point did you stop firing.
[Dunn:] I stopped firing when it appeared that the threat was over.
[Strolla:] OK. And they were far enough away where they couldn't shoot back?
[Dunn:] They were far enough away where they couldn't shoot back effectively, and I certainly couldn't aim effectively.
[Strolla:] OK. Were you even trying to continue to shoot as they were driving away?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point, what was your next focus on immediately after that?
[Dunn:] Getting Rhonda and myself to safety.
[Strolla:] OK. Did you try to run into the store?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] When you turned around, who was standing there?
[Dunn:] Rhonda.
[Strolla:] OK. And what did you say to her?
[Dunn:] I said, "Get in the car. We've got to go."
[Strolla:] And what did she do?
[Dunn:] She got in the car.
[Strolla:] OK. And at that point, did you know where that red SUV went?
[Dunn:] No. I lost sight of the red SUV and I thought they turned on to that main road, whatever goes north there, I think. I really wasn't that familiar with the way the parking lot works, but when they turned the corner and took off, I thought they were on south side.
[Strolla:] And at that point, did you have any type of mental thought of retaliation or them coming back?
[Dunn:] Yes. I was worried about them coming back and maybe possibly they had friends in the area doing retaliation.
[Strolla:] OK. And did you was it a busy gas station with a lot of people there?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did you look around and start asking people, are you friendly, are you not friendly?
[Dunn:] No, no, no, just got out.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point, what is still your mental state of you being in fear of that situation?
[Dunn:] I'm still in a panic. I'm still in you know, we're in a very dangerous spot. I mean, I just got my life threatened because I asked them to turn the music down. Now, I shot at them. So now what are they going to do?
[Strolla:] And again, it is your belief they still have weapons in that vehicle?
[Dunn:] Absolutely.
[Strolla:] OK. And at that point, emotionally, physically, do you notice any differences about your body physically?
[Dunn:] I'm shaking. I mean, I'm quivering like a leaf.
[Strolla:] OK. Had you ever experienced those feelings before?
[Dunn:] No, this is all new.
[Strolla:] How was Rhonda once you explained to her what happened? Or did you explain to her or try to in the vehicle?
[Dunn:] I tried to. But she was hysterical.
[Strolla:] OK. And were you still shaking and panicking?
[Dunn:] I wasn't much better.
[Strolla:] OK. So was it a little bit difficult for you to verbalize clearly as we are today?
[Dunn:] Yes, it was. I mean, I tried to get out the fact that they were threatening me. I tried to get out the fact that they were advancing on me. I tried to get out the fact that they were armed. But it was difficult, to say the least.
[Strolla:] And was that because of your mental state?
[Dunn:] Both of ours.
[Strolla:] Now, how far away did it take you a long time to get back to the hotel?
[Dunn:] No, not at all.
[Strolla:] Do you even remember the ride back? Or was it all a dream?
[Dunn:] I don't remember pulling in.
[Strolla:] OK. You heard Rhonda testify that she got out and she jumped out of the car and ran in. Do you recall that?
[Dunn:] Vaguely.
[Strolla:] OK. Do you even recall what parking spot you parked in?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] OK. Do you recall where in the parking lot vicinity you parked?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] OK. And once Rhonda runs in, she is still visibly upset, obviously?
[Dunn:] Yes, she was.
[Strolla:] OK. And at this point, is there any communication between you and her about what you're going to do or why? Anything like that?
[Dunn:] No, no, no.
[Strolla:] OK. What do you do in terms of your firearm?
[Dunn:] I safed it. I took the magazine out and then I took the shell that was in the barrel out. And I put it back into the magazine.
[Strolla:] OK. And did you have a little bit difficult time, your hands still shaking?
[Dunn:] Yeah, I think I dropped stuff.
[Strolla:] OK. And at that point, were you even worried about grabbing it and shaking of what might happen?
[Dunn:] I was being very delicate.
[Strolla:] OK. In terms of your emotional state at that point, were you worried about being followed? And I don't mean by police. I mean people trying to find you to hurt you.
[Dunn:] Absolutely. We were staying at a hotel that has like a club room at the top floor. And we were there looking out the windows like a waking nightmare. Every car was a red SUV, I mean, to us. We were just you have to understand, we didn't know anybody had been hurt. We thought we had just made them go away and that they were going to come back.
[Strolla:] OK. And again, at this point, have you ever been in any type of situation, even remotely similar?
[Unidentified Male1:] Objection, asked and answered.
[Judge:] Sustained.
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Have you had any type of counseling or training to handle this after a shooting?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you even think you would ever need it in your life?
[Dunn:] No, never.
[Strolla:] And how was Rhonda's demeanor once you were upstairs?
[Dunn:] She was a wreck.
[Strolla:] And how was your demeanor once you got upstairs?
[Dunn:] I wasn't much better, but I, you know, I needed to hold it together for both of us.
[Strolla:] And were you trying to do that for her?
[Dunn:] Yes, I was.
[Strolla:] And did you see her testify the other day? Would that be very similar to how she was acting that night?
[Dunn:] That was calm compared to that night.
[Strolla:] OK. So she was much worse that night?
[Dunn:] Yes, she was.
[Strolla:] And, obviously, sitting here today, you are still visibly upset?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Would you say this is probably calm to how you were reacting that night?
[Dunn:] I think I'm more emotional now than I was that night. Because, you know, I was trying to be stoic. I had difficulty processing what was going on.
[Strolla:] Were you trying to comfort your fiancee?
[Dunn:] Yes, I was.
[Strolla:] OK. And at some point, did she even have to go get air because you were
[Dunn:] Smothering her?
[Strolla:] Yes.
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] And again, that was trying to get her to kind of breath and relax?
[Unidentified Male1:] Judge, I'm [inaudible] leading.
[Judge:] Mr. Strolla, please don't lead.
[Strolla:] Mr. Dunn, why were you behaving that way?
[Dunn:] I was trying to get her to relax and stop hyperventilating and calm down. I was explaining to her it was self-defense, that we were not in trouble with the police. We might be in trouble with the local gangsters but not I didn't do anything wrong.
[Strolla:] All right, let me ask you this. At some point, did you take Charlie down stairs to use the bathroom?
[Dunn:] Yes. We went upstairs, and she changed. We were both wearing, you know, eveningwear.

[Pereira:] We're going to turn now to a story that has so many of us outraged. General Motors waiting years to fix a problem with the ignition switches on some of the models of their vehicles. At least 13 deaths have been blamed on the problem. Lawmakers accusing the company of saving anywhere from 57 cents to $2 per car by not fixing it. GM officials neither confirming nor denying that figure to CNN. Even when the company did redesign the switches a few years ago, it still didn't meet GM's own standards.
[Berman:] And this has all been coming as lawmakers ask tough questions to GM's new CEO Mary Barra. She has blamed the company's cost culture prior to its 2009 bankruptcy. Joining us now, Renee Trautwein and her son Phil. They're with us here in the studio. Renee's daughter Sarah died in an accident in 2009 after she lost control of her 2005 Chevy Cobalt. And Renee, you do now believe she would be alive if not for this ignition switch?
[Renee Trautwein, Daughter Died In Gm Car Crash:] Absolutely. It was confirmed last Friday that her air bags did not deploy and it was a front impact.
[Berman:] This happened years ago but it took until last week for you to come to this conclusion?
[Trautwein:] I'm ashamed to say. I have been weak through this. I haven't sat in the car, haven't read a report, but this story has been haunting me for two weeks. So I just told my children, maybe I'm crazy, but this story won't stop. I made one phone call to my brother, who did see the car. I asked him if the air bags had deployed. And he said he does not remember seeing them.
[Pereira:] First of all, you are not weak. You are very strong.
[Trautwein:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] That's not the order of things, you and I both know that. So talk to me. Has GM reached out to you? Have either of you heard from GM at all through any of this?
[Trautwein:] No, just meeting the other night with Mary Barra.
[Berman:] So talk to me about that meeting. Mary Barra, she apologized in front of Congress. I know she had the meeting that you were a part of.
[Trautwein:] Correct.
[Berman:] Were you grateful to have that opportunity? Was she persuasive?
[Trautwein:] No. Scripted.
[Pereira:] There was no
[Trautwein:] Of course, there was "I'm sorry," after every parent. "I'm sorry for your loss, I'm sorry for your loss, I'm sorry for your loss." Didn't feel any real warmth.
[Pereira:] What would you have wanted to hear from her?
[Trautwein:] I would have liked to see a mother's real tears. She's a mother, as we are. She didn't even use stuff to blot once. I didn't see any real emotion at all. I can't imagine that as a mother.
[Berman:] One of the things that GM has done that she did at that hearing in front of Congress, she is appointing Kenneth Feinburg now to deal presumably or at least look into the issue of possible compensation to families of people who may have been killed in similar situations to your daughter. What does that do for you?
[Trautwein:] Right now, that's not even a thought. Right now, we need to get these cars off the road. There is still 2.5 million. Mary Barra needs to cut with the cover-up, own up, get the cars off the road now before we lose some more lives, some more beautiful lives. And that's what I am here for. Anyone driving the car, take it right now, take the key, don't drive it. Do not drive it.
[Pereira:] Phil, you lost your sister, and I imagine that this whole process John, you mentioned, it was a few years ago but grief takes its own time, doesn't it? And we certainly process it differently. This has probably dragged it all up for you again, hasn't it, with the loss of your sister? I know it has for your mom. This you are having to relive it all over again.
[Phil Trautwein, Isster Died In Gm Car Crash:] Yes, she was my only sister, she was 3 12 years younger than me. We loved each other, like brother and sister does and they would. And for us, it's a new it's new now. Now we really don't know what was her last thoughts before she passed. Was she struggling. Like, for us, we thought she fell asleep. So we always had that comfort that she just went, that she just went peacefully.

[Becky Anderson:] Flying in to show their support, Egypt's military gives the government an ultimatum to meet the demands of the people.
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[Announcer:] Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
[Anderson:] Critical hours ahead for Egypt's fragile democracy as the military there warns it could step in to resolve a political crisis. President Mohamed Morsi met with top military leaders a short time ago. We don't yet know what happened in that meeting, but we are expecting to hear very soon from a presidential spokesperson. Well, a military demanding the government and all political forces respect the will of the people. Now these are pictures of Tahrir Square where protesters once again are demanding President Morsi step down. The crowds earlier cheered this ultimatum by the military.
[Abdel Fattah Al-sisi, Head Of Egyptian Armed Forces:] The armed forces repeat their call for the people's demand to be met and gives everyone 48 hours as a final chance to shoulder the burden of a historic moment in our country which will not forgive any party that will be negligent in bearing their responsibility.
[Anderson:] Well, let's go to Cairo now for the very latest for you. Senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman joining us live. Huge, huge crowds in Tahrir Square. Much smaller, but significant demonstrations also for the government, of course, outside their offices in a different part of Cairo. Ben, we heard from the military today. We heard what they say. What is their intent at this point?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, their intent really is to lay down the law, to read the riot act, so to speak, to the opposition. But more clearly, to President Mohamed Morsi that the people of Egypt have made their voice clear. We've seen three nights in a row now of huge demonstrations not just in Cairo, but in Alexandria and other Egyptian cities. The message to President Morsi is you've got to make moves to end this current crisis. Analysts will tell you that there's really three things that he needs to do. And he needs to reshuffle his cabinet to bring in members of the opposition and to reduce the level of participation in the government by the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies. He needs to call for early presidential and parliamentary elections. These are some serious demands on a president who just a year ago won in Egypt's first ever free and fair presidential election. So they're really throwing down the gauntlet to Mohamed Morsi. The Muslim Brotherhood, to which the group that he belongs to has said that they will consider the army's statements. The army is probably expecting a somewhat more forthright response to their demand. The opposition is meeting this evening to consider it as well. But if they cannot come to some sort of agreement, then we very well could see within now less than 48 hours, the army taking over Egypt again - Becky.
[Anderson:] We are talking about a military takeover, effectively, within 48 hours, right? Are we correct in saying that? Because they didn't make it clear themselves, did they?
[Wedeman:] Well, no. In fact, in the military statement that was issued today, they stressed that the military wants to stay out of politics and conduct its normal role to defend the nation. But they also said that if the politicians within 48 hours can't come up with some sort of consensus in how to run this country, they have the military has a long- term roadmap for the country. Does that mean a permanent military takeover? No. But it probably means a blueprint for brief sort military control of the country leading to elections somewhere down the line. But definitely it does feel like we're going back to the 12th of February, 2011 when Egypt woke up and found the military, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, was running the country.
[Anderson:] Ben, I know that there was huge support from the crowd in Tahrir Square earlier today when the military made this announcement. Should we, then, expect that most Egyptians, particularly those who are anti-Morsi, would support a military takeover despite what they've been through in the past?
[Wedeman:] Well, really it depends who you speak with. For many Egyptians who aren't so interested in democracy as much as law and order, a functioning economy, a fuel that's not in short supply, and are tired of long and frequent power cuts, they want a government doesn't matter whether they wear military uniforms or not that can get the country back on its feet, get the economy running again, encourage tourists to return to this country, because at the moment there are so many loose ends that democracy and freedom for many Egyptians isn't as important as a salary Becky.
[Anderson:] Fascinating. Important times, extremely important times in Egypt today this hour. Ben Wedeman above Tahrir Square. And as you can see, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people there in the square tonight. We have to add that there have been smaller, pro-President Morsi demonstrations today as well. Ben, thank you for that. All right, this hour we're going to hear from a prominent blogger and a protester who says President Morsi must step aside. Right now, though, we're joined by Mohamad Elmasry who is a professor at the American University in Cairo. I know that you have made statements in the past which would be deemed to be supportive of the Morsi government. Tonight, do you expect President Morsi to heed the words of the military, or are we looking at effectively a coup within 48 hours?
[Mohamad Elmasry, Proessor, American University Of Cairo:] Well, what I have been writing about for the last seven months is my support for institutional democracy, which I think is the way forward for Egypt. We'll have to wait and see what's going to happen over the next day or two, but it does look like this is a military coup of a democratically elected government and we should be clear that this is the product of 12 months of very hard work by various forces Mubarak regime remnants, corrupt elements within the state structure, and importantly elements of Egypt's liberal secular opposition, which as Ben Wedeman was just saying many of them don't particularly care about democracy.
[Anderson:] Hang on a minute, let's be clear, because we've got hundreds of thousands, as far as we can tell, people in Tahrir Square tonight. You're well aware that these anti-government demonstrators for some time now have said a constitution has been written which is simply unfair. It wasn't what people have voted for. They want to see the end of this president. They want to see parliamentary elections, presidential elections. They want to see the end of this president. That's whoever is agitating for their own benefit, it is clear that millions of Egyptians do not agree with the way that this constitution is written, correct?
[Elmasry:] Well, let me just say a couple of things. First of all, the [inaudible] that the secular liberal opposition, many of them, many of the elements within it are anti-democratic and exclusionist is overwhelming. This is an opposition that was cheerleading when the first democratically elected parliament in Egypt's modern history was disbanded. These are the same people that after the presidential elections last year refused to accept the results essentially. Two of the candidates and interestingly two of the leaders of the...
[Anderson:] Who are you talking about? Name them?
[Elmasry:] Hamdi Selblahy and Amr Moussa in June of 2012, right after the first round results came in, they said we want we call upon or we call for early presidential elections. They wanted a do over. And this I cite this in my article that I just published in Jadaliyya, and you can go look it up, and I have sources, and you can link to the news stories that talk about this. And they've admitted it. I mean, it's not secret. Mohamed ElBaradei has said as recently as a couple of months ago on CBC that he would rather see a military the military rule the country than a democratically elected islamist government. Most recently and to me, most damning I just want to get this in, this the liberal secular and this is to me is almost laughable, they have allied themselves with elements of the Mubarak regime. This has been known for months, but now recently they've come out and acknowledged it and admitted it. So this could be the first time in history, I'm not a historian, but where a regime is ousted, a dictatorship is removed from power via mass popular protests and then so-called revolutionaries ally themselves with this regime to oust a democratically elected president.
[Anderson:] OK. You've made your point. Let me just get our viewers aligned from Reuters, which is just crossed as you were speaking. The army, the Egyptian army rejecting the idea that they are staging a coup. Obviously eluding to the fact that they've given the president 48 hours at this point to get his house in order. A number of points that they want a new presidential elections, new parliamentary elections, et cetera. But at this point, certainly the army suggesting that there is no coup in the works. But listen, you know, you've made your point. You've made your point about what you call this secular liberal opposition. There is a problem with an opposition which is fractured, isn't there, in Egypt. But you also have to admit that there is a huge opposition to the president and the way that the Muslim Brotherhood is running the country. You have to accept that.
[Elmasry:] Absolutely. Look, if you want to have a few minutes on the mistakes that President Morsi has made, we can do that. I've criticized his policies that he's implemented...
[Anderson:] So what's the answer. Let's move it on, what's the answer here?
[Elmasry:] Well, the well, this is going to be a it's a very difficult scenario, because you have an anti-democratic military coup in operation regardless of what this...
[Anderson:] Well, the army says that that's not true.
[Elmasry:] Well, well I mean, I read the statement it's pretty clear. I mean, when you imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. Imagine if a liberal president had come to power in Egypt and for 12 months the Muslim Brotherhood had organized mass protests. There were 7,000 protests last year. There were strikes in almost every industry. The police went on strike, which is illegal. If that imagine if the Brotherhood had gone around burning down offices. We have 36 excuse me 32 Muslim Brotherhood offices burned down. We have mass casualties in the Brotherhood camp. If the shoe were on the other foot, everyone would be screaming terrorism, anti-democracy. I think we need to call a spade a spade. The Muslim Brotherhood has made plenty of mistakes, but in medicine they talk about triaging. When you go if somebody goes into the emergency room with a gunshot wound to the chest and a broken arm, the doctors treat the gunshot wound to the chest, not the broken arm. The Brotherhood might be a broken arm with their mistakes, but the secular liberal opposition and Mubarak regime supporters and the anti-democrats within Egyptian society and many of the and I have to point out that some of the opposition is legitimately upset with things that Morsi and the Brotherhood have done. But to me, this anti-democratic anti-democratic tendency within these circles, that is the gunshot wound to the democratic chest, if you will, of Egypt. And that's the major concern, because there's no way forward for Egypt without institutional democracy, at least in my estimation.
[Anderson:] On Skype for you tonight, Mohamad ElMasry, the first of one of many voices this hour discussing what is a critical time for Egypt today following Egypt's army giving the country's rival parties 48 hours to resolve a deadly political crisis. Thank you very much indeed for joining us. As we move through this hour, you will see live pictures of Tahrir Square on your screens as we get them. We are just hearing that the Muslim Brotherhood itself has said that they will delay until tomorrow, now, a press conference, a news conference that we were anticipating within the hour. What we do believe is happened is that President Morsi and the military have spoken in the past couple of hours following Egypt's army decision to give just 48 hours to rival factions there to resolve this crisis. On the wires tonight at least, the Reuters flash that the army has denied that that would be, effectively, a military coup. But that is the speculation this hour. Our top story, huge crowds in Tahrir Square as anti-government protesters welcomed that decision earlier Monday by Egypt's army to give rival political parties 48 hours. What is an escalating crisis we are staying on this hour, voices from all sides of the divide. And analysis with our regular contributor Fawaz Gerges at the bottom of this hour. We have to take a very short break at this point, though. You're watching Connect the World live from London. 16 minutes past 9:00. Tonight, after a week of laying low, former NSA contractor Edward Snowden makes his next move. And Russia's president responds. Outrage in Europe of reports U.S. surveillance programs may have targeted EU allies. And the U.S. president and the first lady land in Tanzania. More on what is a whirlwind African tour right here on CNN. You're 90 seconds away. Taking a very short break. Stay with us.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking this morning, America's top general, Martin Dempsey, is now in Iraq. His mission is to control what happens after ISIS is hopefully removed from areas hoping to stop the kind of retribution and ethnic cleansing by Shia forces that helped create ISIS in the first place and could take this situation from bad to worse. Meantime, the leader of Boko Haram pledging loyalty to ISIS. This as ground and air forces from Niger and Chad launch a new offensive against the terror group in northeast Nigeria.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Two suspects have been formally charged, three others are being held in the assassination of top Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov. Reports say one of the people charged is a former Chechen military commander and he confessed to his role in Nemtsov's murder. Russian authorities say a sixth suspect blew himself up as police went in to arrest him.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] A key finding in a new report about missing Malaysia Air Flight 370. Investigators reveal that the plane's locator beacon battery in the flight data recorder expired a year before the flight disappeared last March. The report also reveals nothing unusual turned up about the flight's pilots and crew. The team also interviewed relatives of the people on board and found nothing. The jetliner vanished a year ago yesterday.
[Pereira:] A tremendous story here. A baby girl in Utah has defied the odds. She survived a crash that claimed her mother's life. After some 14 hours, the 18-month-old baby girl was found alive by a fisherman, still strapped to her car seat upside down in a freezing river. Survival and tragedy along the Spanish Fork River in Utah. This 18-month-old baby girl, Lilly, was rescued from an overturned car submerged in frigid waters, suspended in her car seat for more than 12 hours. Her mother, 25-year-old Lynn Jennifer Groesbeck, was killed after the vehicle she was driving veered off the road into the river the night before. A fisherman alerted authorities the next afternoon after spotting the vehicle upside down in the water.
[Unidentified Male:] Where the car was at, you couldn't see it from the roadway.
[Pereira:] First responders jumping into the icy river, working quickly to turn the car over.
[Officer Bryan Dewitt, Spanish Fork Police:] As we did that, it became apparent that the driver was deceased. But we also noticed that there was a small baby in the backseat.
[Pereira:] Incredibly, the young baby girl, who was trapped inside, was unconscious but alive.
[Unidentified Male:] Got the baby in my arm, raised it up raised its head up out of the water as I tried to release the seat belt.
[Pereira:] Rescuers acting quickly, passing baby Lilly from one responder to the next.
[Officer Jared Warner, Spanish Fork Police:] The child was passed to me and I just ran up and climbed in the ambulance with the child.
[Pereira:] According to officials, the mother was believed to have been headed home Friday night when her vehicle struck a cement barrier before careening off the road and plunging into the river. The officers responding to the scene all say they heard a distinct voice from inside the car calling for help.
[Unidentified Male:] I remember hearing a voice that didn't sound like a child just saying, "help me."
[Pereira:] That is the thing that we can't get over. Four different responders say they heard a voice saying "help me, help me." The mother was already dead. She was submerged in the water. The baby's only 18 months old.
[Camerota:] Oh, my gosh, it's eerie. And I can't believe the little girl survived.
[Pereira:] They had to be treated for hypothermia and she survived. I mean it's incredible. An incredible story.
[Camerota:] All right, we're praying for her.
[Pereira:] Yes.
[Camerota:] All right, well, priceless artifacts dating back centuries destroyed in the blink of an eye by ISIS. It continues its cultural and ethnic cleansing campaign. What can the international community do?

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. We going to turn now to our national lead, the terrorist threat here at home. We are learning more details about one Ohio man's alleged plan to bomb Congress and then gun down lawmakers, and staff, and tourists as they fled. That's at least what a criminal complaint says this man, Christopher Lee Cornell, all of 20 years old, plotted to do. He even bought the guns he intended to mow down the lawmakers with, two M-15 rifles, and 600 bullets. The complaint alleges Cornell wanted to do all of this in the name of jihad under the name Raheel Mahrus Ubaydah. Luckily, his partner in this plot, someone that he thought was another would-be jihadist with whom he conspired online and over Twitter, that partner turned out to be an FBI informant. Yesterday, more than a dozen agents and local police broke down Ubaydah's door and took him into custody. Today the speaker of the house, John Boehner, who may have been among those in the cross-hairs, credited the FISA program, which allows for NSA snooping on communications, with preventing this attack. CNN's Alexandra Field is live for us in Cincinnati. Alex, you spoke to this man's father. What did he have to say about his son being accused of this horrific terrorist plot to systematically murder members of Congress, staff and tourists?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, Jake. Both of his parents are heartbroken, devastated, as you would imagine they would be, but his father says to me that his son is 20 going on 16. This is a young man who lived with his parents, was working a seasonal job. The dad says that his son didn't have a car, rarely left the house, never left Cincinnati. The family thinks that he did not have the resources or the capability to pull off an attack, so what was he doing here buying guns? Well, the dad says he believes his son was coerced.
[Field:] John Cornell and Angel Carmen in their living room, shocked with the realization that their son is in custody, arrested in a sting operation and charged with plotting to blow up the U.S. Capitol.
[John Cornell, Father Of Capitol Terror Suspect:] Chris has never been out of Cincinnati. I believe he was coerced into a lot of this stuff. I believe that this so-called snitch filled his head with a lot of stuff.
[Field:] John Cornell says that his son recently took up an interest in Islam but emphasized its peaceful qualities and never mentioned is.
[Cornell:] My son is not a monster. I'm not just saying that because he's my son. If I thought he was up to something, I would have beat his butt and I would have been the first one to turn him in.
[Field:] The 20-year-old was first brought to the FBI's attention several months ago after social media posts talking about violent jihad. They say Cornell planned to detonate pipe bombs around the Capitol and then shoot people as they fled. But a man Cornell believed would be his partner in the plot was actually an FBI informant. The FBI says Cornell told the informant he had contacts overseas, that he had aligned himself with ISIS and believed lawmakers were his enemy. The criminal complaint says Cornell did not think he would receive ISIS authorization to conduct a terrorist attack in the United States, but he wanted to wage jihad on his own, writing, "I believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with the Islamic State here and plan operations ourselves." According to investigators, he researched the targeted government buildings and the construction of pipe bombs. Wednesday, Cornell purchased two AR-15s and 600 rounds of ammunition from this gun store in Cincinnati before FBI agents arrested him in the parking lot. The gun store owner, who was working with authorities, described Cornell's demeanor.
[John Dean, Point Blank Gun Store Owner:] Well-spoken but soft-spoken. Lots of questions. He's a little chatty. If I hadn't had been given any kind of warning ahead of time, I probably would not have suspected him as up to what he was doing.
[Field:] CNN has repeatedly reached out to Cornell's court appointed attorney, but has not received any response. Cornell's bedroom, which he shared with his brother, seemingly that of a typical young man with movie posters and video games. The principal at the high school he attended and where he wrestled described Cornell to CNN as a normal student, saying, "Christopher was not a disruption or a discipline problem in school. A quiet, but not overly reserved student who would participate in class, did not withdraw from his class work." But now, authorities are tracing the steps of the young man accused of a plot to attack his own country. Because investigators were following Cornell, they say law makers were never in imminent danger and, Jake, Cornell will appear in court tomorrow.
[Tapper:] Alexandra Field in Cincinnati, thanks so much for that report. That's it for THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. I now turn you over to Wolf Blitzer in THE SITUATION ROOM. Wolf?

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Erin, thanks. Good evening, everyone. Tonight, why an admitted mass killer who wants to plead guilty is being put through a trial for the killings that he admits and the repercussions for his victims that the government not calling what he did an act of terrorism. Also tonight this man was allegedly a convicted sex offender who violated parole 15 times, only to be released again and again. The 16th time they let him go and police say he became a killer. Parole officers say if something isn't done, he will not be the last. We're "Keeping Them Honest" with a 360 exclusive investigation. And later, how does one of the most physically fit presidents ever wake up one day with serious heart trouble. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is here with information you need to know even if you feel just fine tonight. We start, though, tonight with the beginning of one of the most unusual and possibly most traumatizing murder trials in a very long time. The defendant, U.S. Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Hasan, shot and killed 13 people nearly four years ago at Fort Hood in Texas. He wounded 32 more. He went on his rampage three weeks before he was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan walking into a troop processing center, shooting unarmed soldiers and officers. He says he did it for Allah. Did it as a soldier in the war against America and the West. He admits all this, by the way, but he legally cannot plead guilty. So today in opening statements on day one of his court martial acting in his own defense, if you want to call it that, he made a case for the prosecution, and that only begins to cover the strangeness of these proceedings. As for how traumatizing it may be, Major Hasan will shortly be questioning some of the very people that he himself shot. And on top of that, get this, he's still pulling down a paycheck from the Army. He's earned hundreds of thousands of dollars while awaiting trial. We'll explore that outrageous angle in just a moment. But first Ed Lavandera who's covering the court martial. Ed, you were there in court today. Take us inside. What was it like?
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Anderson, in many ways it was really intense. I think many people are anticipating to see what Major Nidal Hasan, how he was going to act, how he was going to behave, but it was the prosecutors that started off with an incredibly vivid and dramatic picture. Methodically going through the steps that Major Hasan took in this massacre. And you know, it was very powerful and poignant at many times the prosecutors talking about the screams of a pregnant victim who was dying, screaming, my baby, my baby, and then another witness describing how soon her voice went quiet, and that was the moment that she had died. So very powerful testimony and descriptions of what happened in those brief moments when this massacre took place.
[Cooper:] And I know Hasan is representing himself. He gave his opening statement today. It was relatively short. What does he even look like now? Because we're showing all these different pictures of him. Does he have a beard in court?
[Lavandera:] He does have a beard. And you know, we should point out here that the military officials here are being very strict about what kind of access we are able to see of Major Hasan. There is limited seating in the courtroom for news media that is lotteried off every day but his movements are not allowed to be photographed while we're here inside Fort Hood. He was brought to Fort Hood in on a helicopter. He's being kept at a county jail not too far away from here. We are not able to either photograph or even look at that helicopter taking off from the Army post here. So he is in a wheelchair. He is paralyzed from the waist down. He's very subdued. And it's almost, Anderson, like there's two different things going on in this courtroom. Prosecutors fighting for the death penalty in this case, and Major Hasan, essentially fighting his own war, which is to justify the killings of fellow soldiers and wounding more than 30 others.
[Cooper:] And it is incredible that he's going to be able to question the very people that he shot. And he offered to plead guilty both to the prosecutors and the judge. His offers were denied. Can you explain why?
[Lavandera:] Well, those are the rules of the code of military justice. And it is when someone is eligible for the death penalty, and that is what prosecutors are pursuing in this case, the defendant is not allowed to plead not guilty. They have to put on a not guilty defense, but it was really strange. The judge started off the day by saying that Major Nidal Hasan has pleaded guilty and not an hour later you saw Hasan there in the courtroom claiming that he was the shooter and the evidence will clearly point to all of that. So in many ways it was all kind of surreal. It doesn't seem like Major Hasan is interested in any way in defending his guilt or innocence. He seems bent on trying to justify what he had done.
[Cooper:] And how long is this expected to go on for?
[Lavandera:] Well, you know, it's interesting many people thought this could take several months but they went through, I think, close to a dozen witnesses today. Prosecution witnesses are, despite the way Major Hasan is handling his own defense, they seem the prosecution seems to be just going on as and they will put out everything. I would not be surprised if you hear from virtually every witness that was inside the room where the shooting started. You will hear all of that. They will continue to go on as if Major Hasan were putting on a worthy defense. So and Major Hasan didn't cross examine but I think had a couple of questions throughout the day so this might not take as long as many people expected.
[Cooper:] All right. Ed, thanks for your reporting. Now "Keeping Them Honest," the mentioned the story that you might not know about or might not like if you do. All this time, while he's been awaiting trial, Major Hasan has been drawing a paycheck, and get this, more than a quarter million he's made so far. That's the way the system works. Meantime, because the federal government for a number of reasons has refused to classify the massacre as an act of terrorism, shooting survivors say they can't take advantage of badly needed services or receive military honors. That's also how the system works. And critics say how it's failing to work for those who truly need it. Our Randi Kaye tonight is "Keeping Them Honest".
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Ten minutes. That's all it took for Major Nidal Hasan to kill 13 people and injured more than 30. November 5th, 2009, at Fort Hood Soldier Readiness Center. The chaos captured in this video obtained by ABC. Sgt. Shawn Manning on FOX News.
[Staff Sgt. Shawn Manning, Fort Hood Shooting Victim:] I remember, you know, rapid and shooting as fast as he could possibly shoot.
[Kaye:] Hasan fired more than 100 rounds from two pistols. Hours later, the president made this promise to the victims.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] As commander in chief, there's no greater honor but also no greater responsibility for me than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for.
[Kaye:] Nearly four years later, survivors say they feel cast aside and they still wonder how the U.S. government could label this workplace violence instead of combat related terrorism. That designation means the victims have lower priority access to medical care and fewer financial benefits than those whose injuries are labeled combat related. [Voice-over] Army Specialist Logan Burnett was shot three times during the attack. He spoke to
[Kxas. Spc. Logan Burnett, Fort Hood Shooting Victim:] The day that came out was the day the government looked at every single one of the victims of the Fort Hood shooting and spit in our faces.
[Kaye:] Sergeant Shawn Manning has lost tens of thousands of dollars in benefits.
[Manning:] I was shot by a terrorist, and they don't want to call it an act of terrorism and deem my injuries combat related. I think it's just I mean, ridiculous.
[Kaye:] Civilian police officer Sergeant Kimberly Munley helped end the attack by shooting Major Hasan four times. Honored for her bravery at the State of the Union a couple of months later but now she tells ABC she feels betrayed by the president.
[Sgt. Kimberly Munley, Fort Hood Police, Took Down Hasan:] If I were to see him again, again it's not about me, but I would just beg him to please take care of them.
[Kaye:] Why not classified the shooting at Fort Hood as a terrorist attack? The Department of Defense has said Hasan may not have been able to receive a fair trial had the U.S. indirectly declared him a terrorist and it could have opened the door for an appeal. But an attorney representing 150 victims in a civil suit against the Department of Defense and the FBI disagrees. He says at the time the U.S. government was looking to close Guantanamo Bay prison, home to hundreds of accused enemy combatants, so the idea of a terrorist attack by a U.S. soldier who is Muslim wasn't optimal. [Voice-over] Witnesses say Hasan shouted, "God is great," in Arabic before opening fire and Hasan has said he acted to help defend the Taliban. That, lawyers for the victims, say is proof of a terror attack. They also point to the FBI's disclosure that it had intercepted communications between Hasan and U.S. born radical Muslim cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, in Yemen. Meanwhile, Major Hasan, who has renounced his citizenship, is still on the military's payroll being paid more than $300,000 since the shooting. The Army can't stop paying him unless he's found guilty. Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
[Cooper:] I want to dig deeper on that now with Virginia Republican Congressman Frank Wolf and retired sergeant, Howard Ray. Congress Wolf is co-sponsoring legislation on pay for alleged violent felons. Sergeant Ray was in the line of fire at Fort Hood and is credited with saving nine lives, six troops and three civilians that day. We spoke a short time ago. Congressman Wolf, you've introduced two bills related to this case. The second of which deals with Hasan's salary. I think a lot of people are stunned to learn that he's received around $300,000 in pay since the 2009 shooting. What would your bills do?
[Rep. Frank Wolf , Virginia:] The bill would put the money in escrow for anyone charged like this and if they were found innocent they would receive the money. If they were guilty, they would not get the money because you should not be paying somebody, particularly in a case like this being involved in an act of terror.
[Cooper:] Sergeant Ray, do you agree with the congressman? I mean, do you think this guy Hasan should be getting his salary?
[Sgt. Howard Ray, Ret., U.s. Army:] Absolutely. When we have a capital offense like this, you know, that pay should be suspended. There is no reason, especially in a case like this, where there is really insurmountable evidence even before the case had even started. The pay should absolutely be withdrawn or at least held on to until the case is over.
[Cooper:] And Sergeant, also, I mean, I think a lot of viewers will be surprised to find out that the victims aren't eligible for Purple Hearts and can't receive all the benefits that come along with that.
[Ray:] Absolutely. And of course, a lot of that has to deal with, you know, the classification of this terroristic act. You know, the Department of Defense have said that this was just a mere workplace violence and, you know, I've heard that they cite the reason for a fair trial as their reason for doing that. But I don't think that's true at all. I mean, when we look at all the evidence that has been presented, even to this point, it's very clear and even through the words of the individual himself, this indeed was a terrorist act. It should be classified as such. So individuals like myself or others are not prevented from getting the treatment, medical care and Purple Hearts that they deserve.
[Cooper:] Congressman, I want to play something that then Homeland Security adviser John Brennan said in 2011. Let's play that.
[John Brennan, Deputy National Security Adviser:] And it's al Qaeda's adherence, individuals sometimes with little or no direct physical contact with al Qaeda, who have succumbed to its hateful ideology and who have engaged in or facilitated terrorist activities here in the United States. These misguided individuals are spurred on by the likes of al Qaeda's Adam Gadahn and Anwar Awlaki in Yemen, who speak English and preach violence and slip videos over the Internet. And we have seen the tragic results with the murder of military recruited in Arkansas two years ago and the attack on our servicemen and women in Fort Hood.
[Cooper:] And Congressman, I should point out he's now the head of the CIA. Do you think politics is at play here in terms of not declaring this an act of terrorism and rather workplace violence, because the Pentagon is essentially saying that it you know, there might by declaring act of terrorism before the trial, it may make the trial more difficult because Hasan could claim he can't get a fair trial.
[Wolf:] That's ridiculous. Mr. Leiter, who is head of the Counterterrorism Center, which was in McLean, in my district, initially called this an act of terror. This was a political decision and my committee funds the FBI. The FBI was told to use criminal statutes, not terrorist statutes. He hollered "Allahu Akbar" when he was shooting. Secondly, he was in direct contact with Anwar Awlaki. Awlaki was a radical imam who was killed by this administration by a drone missile. A drone missile killed him is actually an American citizen. There are connections with regard to Anwar Awlaki and the major. The fact is if you read the book "Dirty War" talks that Anwar Awlaki's father and mother wanted Anwar Awlaki to meet with their son, the major, because they thought he was drifting. This was a terrorist act, clearly, so I think there was politics involved in it.
[Cooper:] And Sergeant Ray, you I mean, you know better than anybody, you have no doubt this was a terrorist incident.
[Ray:] Absolutely, I mean, to call it anything else I think would be criminal.
[Cooper:] Congressman Wolf, a special report by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security titled "Ticking Time Bomb" detailed a number of warning signs about Hasan. What lessons do you think can be learned from this case to prevent another tragedy like this?
[Wolf:] Well, the military and the Department of Defense should not be politically correct. I have talked to some doctors who practiced with the major. They say he was advising young men and women who served in the military who were in Afghanistan and Iraq to turn themselves in as war criminals. The military and the Department of Defense knew that this person was being radicalized. He was being radicalized when he was at Walter Reed and they knew it. But I think they were very politically correct. If you even remember when the when this act took place, the head of the army made some very strange political correct statements. So when you see something like this, you got to deal with it when you see it.
[Cooper:] Yes, and I think that's going to stun a lot of people tonight. Congressman Wolf and Sergeant Ray, good to have you on. Thank you.
[Wolf:] Thanks so much.
[Ray:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] Well, let us know what you think. I'm tweeting about this right now @andersoncooper. We're talking about it on Twitter. Just head tonight, also a 360 exclusive. An interview with Bradley Manning's father. I speak to him about speaking out really for the first time since his son was convicted of leaking 750,000 pages of classified documents and videos to WikiLeaks. What does he say to those who call his son a traitor. Find out tonight. Also troubling new details tonight about the python that killed two young brothers just 4 and 6 years old.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. It's half past the hour. Let's take a look at your headlines. A devastating 8.2 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Chile triggering mass evacuations, landslides, fires, and power outages. There are reports of wide- spread damage. Seven-foot tsunami waves were reported overnight off Chile's northern coast. At least five people have died. New revelations about NSA spying on Americans. The director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, admits in a letter the agency used a legal back door to perform warrantless searches of e-mail and other electronic communications. This is the first public confirmation by intelligence officials that the NSA searched data bases specifically for information on U.S. citizens. Secret Service Director Julia Pierson assuring Senate committee members that recent misconduct by agents are isolated incidents. She spoke in a closed meeting after three agents were sent home from the Netherlands last week when one was found passed out drunk. This is just the latest in a string of bad behavior. She told senators that she made clear to her staff that she has a zero-tolerance policy for unprofessional behavior, both on and off duty. Washington D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray suffering a stunning setback in last night's Democratic primary. He's out after one term, soundly defeated by Councilwoman Muriel Bowser. Gray is facing corruption allegations involving his 2010 campaign. Bowser supporters are hailing her victory as a win for honest government. Those are your headlines at this hour. Kate, over to you.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Michaela, thank you very much. This morning, Malaysia's chief of police confirmed the search for flight 370 has been classified now as a criminal investigation. And now Malaysia Airlines is increasing security on their planes. This, after a Malaysian government source told CNN the flight's turn off course is being considered a criminal act. But with so little evidence so little evidence at least released to the public, what are investigators looking at? How is this a criminal investigation? Joining me now to discuss is retired FBI supervisory special agent Steve Moore joining me from Los Angeles. Steve, thank you very much for waking up early. I want to get right to that question.
[Steve Moore, Retired Fbi Supervisory Special Agent:] Sure.
[Bolduan:] We have such little direct evidence that at least has been released by Malaysian officials leading the investigation. What do you see here that points to a criminal investigation?
[Moore:] I see nothing that would lead anybody to make it anymore of a criminal investigation than just a speculative investigation. As Chris said earlier, they're checking everything from food to cargo. That's responsible. Checking to make sure it could that isn't a criminal act is part of the responsible process, but you can't just label it as such.
[Bolduan:] Now, one of the things you just pointed out is one of the new things we're learning as being reported by the Associated Press is they're also looking into the cargo and the food on the plane for the possibility of a poisoning or at least to eliminate the possibility of a poisoning. You say that's just responsible. You don't think that indicates that they're leading the investigation one way or the other.
[Moore:] Absolutely not. What you have to do is just cover every base. There can't be any questions when this is over. You if somebody says, "Ah, but did you see that?" You know, yeah, we did. We looked at everything. This is what it is. But right now, it is no more responsible to say it's a criminal act than it is to say, by the way, we've decided it's food poisoning. There's no evidence.
[Bolduan:] They're also pointing out the four possibilities this is also new that's coming out this morning in terms of their investigation, which they point out would be hijacking, sabotage, personal problems and psychological issue. Does this at least tell you they're ruling some other possibilities out or does this for you also say they're just kind of running the gamut?
[Moore:] I think this says they're running the gamut. I would add a few to that. I think you have to have a holistic approach to this investigation. And until you find the wreckage, and until you examine the wreckage, we probably aren't going to know anything definitively.
[Bolduan:] Now from obviously, from a distance, how do you what do you think, what's your assessment of how the investigation has gone so far?
[Moore:] I think the investigation by the Malaysian authorities has been kind of embarrassing. I think the Australians and the rest of the western world's investigation and the eastern world has been much more credible. The problem is, when you lose credibility with the passenger families, you get them doing things like like picketing your officers or having sit-ins, things like that. They've lost people's confidence. And now it's really going to be somebody else who's going to have to give the definitive word on the investigation.
[Bolduan:] Now, they're still leading the investigation, though. I mean, you you you've called it an embarrassment. Is there a way to make up to make up for it? Are they they have acknowledged that things were slow to pick up in the beginning, but are they gaining ground at all now? I mean, they're calling it a criminal investigation. And I was talking to David Soucie about this earlier. And he said that also assists them in being able to restrict the information flow. If they say it's a criminal act and they're looking at it in that direction, they also aren't going to be releasing maybe the amount of information they would if they classified it as something else. Do you see that?
[Moore:] Yes, I can see that. And I can see there's political reasons why they might want to call it a criminal act. But right now, I don't think it's retrievable. I mean, if your family, God forbid, was on that airplane, you would certainly not consider the Malaysian authorities' word the last word on this. You would want to hear it from somebody else. I think they've lost the confidence of the world essentially in this investigation and they're gonna the world is going to take somebody else's opinion on this or somebody else's evidence on this.
[Bolduan:] We do know that many nations are assisting as much as possible, as much as they're allowed to. They said they've done some they've gotten 170 statements at this point, and it's clear that this investigation is to far from over. Obviously, the main piece is still missing, where the plane is. Steve Moore, it's always great to see you.
[Moore:] Right.
[Bolduan:] Thanks so much.
[Moore:] Thanks.
[Bolduan:] Chris?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] And Kate, the point that you and Steve are making there obviously counts the most with the families. And coming up on NEW DAY, we're going to speak with a man whose mother was on board the missing jetliner like so many other family members. And he is desperate for answers. He wants some straight talk from Malaysian officials, and we're going to find out what they disclosed to families overnight. Stay with us.

[Pereira:] Two senior-level Secret Service agents now under investigation for allegedly driving after a night of drinking may have also disrupted an active bomb investigation on the night in question, that incident another in a series of embarrassments for the embattled agency trying to repair its reputation. Big question, is the new confirmed director, Joseph Clancy, the right person to fix the Secret Service? Joining us to discuss all this, White House correspondent for the "Washington Examiner", Susan Crabtree. Good morning to you. We know you've been a whole lot of digging and a lot of research into went on and I want to see what you have compared to what we are learning here at CNN, that in this night of question, the two agents were able to get through two checkpoints without issue. The car was driving very slowly and may have just nudged an orange traffic cone, instead of crashing into some sort of blockade, but they did disrupt or drive through a suspicious package investigation. Does that match what you're hearing?
[Susan Crabtree, White House Correspondent, Washington Examiner:] That's the same as I am hearing. The one sort of outrageous thing is they may have actually run over the suspicious package. All of that will come out in the details. And that's what I think is bothering some of the officers that were on the scene that night and that's maybe why this leak came out in the press. You have had Joseph Clancy not knowing for many days about this incident.
[Pereira:] Five days.
[Crabtree:] Yes, and that's pretty outrageous.
[Pereira:] I want to talk about him in a second, but to this investigation, one of the things that's coming into question seems a little murkier. These details about whether or not they were drinking, whether the agent driving was drunk at the time. And the fact that an officer who had wanted to do a field sobriety test was overruled by a supervisor, that essentially sent them home. What are you hearing about all of that?
[Crabtree:] Well, there will be eye witnesses that were at this retirement party for Edwin Donovan, a retiring Secret Service spokesman. And there will be witnesses. So, if they were drinking, that will all come out in the investigation. But I talked to lawyers and they say that the person who wasn't driving, he's going to be getting off, this is not a problem for him. It's the person who was driving.
[Pereira:] Sure, behind the wheel.
[Crabtree:] Exactly.
[Pereira:] We know the two agents involved have been named Mark Connolly, second in command of President Obama's security detail. George Ogilvie, a senior adviser in the D.C. office. These are high- ranking fellows. Any word on discipline? If they have been or they will be?
[Crabtree:] Well, what I have been told by an attorney who specializes in labor law, she said that they're going to be facing a 30-day suspension at least for the person who drove the government vehicle. That's misuse of a government vehicle. That's taxpayer dollars they're not allowed to take these government vehicles to social events and certainly not allowed to be drinking at the social events. So, that's one of the things they're facing. And but it's going to be six to nine months before we months and months before this investigation wraps up.
[Pereira:] Just what this agency that's already facing other challenges and perception issues doesn't need. They brought in Joe Clancy to oversee and to bring back the sterling reputation that this agency once had. He didn't get told about this until some five days into this. What is your sense of what people are saying? That he's doing the right thing? It's just going to take time to turn this agency around? Or is he not the right person to change it?
[Crabtree:] Well, it's interesting, because President Obama backed him strongly yesterday through his spokesman. So, we have that confidence that the White House level. But what people are saying is that this is all too typical, that there's a culture of cover-up at the Secret Service. And that these supervisors often provide uneven discipline. And sometimes cover up misdeeds and misconduct. And maybe Joseph Clancy didn't even know about it. But the problem is, is that he's from the inside, he's not an outsider. And the independent panel recommended an outsider for this role to really shake things up.
[Pereira:] We have heard about this morale issue inside the agency for some time, dating back several months, even perhaps years. We've heard about the allegations of cover-up. Is that still prevalent, even under Clancy?
[Crabtree:] Well, you know, it seems like this incident is, if this is an anomaly. That would be a good thing. But this incident really is raising the hackles of congressional investigators. And they want to see some strong response, some strong action taken. And basically you're going to have to have a sped-up investigation and there's going to be some message that needs, that Joseph Clancy needs to do. He's going to have to send a strong message in this case.
[Pereira:] Susan Crabtree, great to have you with us on NEW DAY, thanks so much for joining us and for your great reporting.
[Crabtree:] Thanks for having me.
[Pereira:] A whole lot of news, so let's get right to it.
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[Unidentified Male:] For the Iraqi army, this is a crucial task. We saw them melt away in the face of ISIS last summer. One of the things that struck me is the charm and her humor.
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[Cuomo:] Good morning, welcome to your NEW DAY. I'm coming to you live from Ferguson, Missouri. There are protests here last night. There was a vigil for the officers as well. But the city, very much divided and on edge. Police in a desperate search for these two suspects now, in the ambush shootings of two police officers. We're going to have more on that in just a moment. First, let me get you back to New York with Alisyn and Mick.
[Camerota:] Chris, great to have you on the ground, walking us through the geography and logistics of how this could have happened. We'll get back to you in a second. Also this, morning we're learning more about those two Secret Service agents who allegedly drove on to White House grounds right through an active investigation. Why did it reportedly take days for their boss to find out about this?
[Pereira:] Also, Secretary of State John Kerry is in Egypt talking to Middle East leaders about terrorism before these next round of nuclear talks with Iran begin. We're going to get to all of that. But, first, let's head back to Chris in Ferguson Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right. The big question is who did it. Yes, there were protests last night, yes, the message was the same. That they want justice or there will be no peace. But that message means a little something different now in the shadow of these two officers being shot. There are so many different witness accounts of where they came from. It's actually complicating this investigation. Let's get to you CNN's Alina Machado monitoring the manhunt. What's the latest information?
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Chris, authorities here are tracking down all the leads they had. They are desperately trying to find the people who are responsible for this ambush shooting. And even though it's been more than 24 hours since the two officers were gunned down just outside this police department, we know that there are no arrests so far. Now, we also know that authorities say they've identified two people they believe may have been involved, one of them could even be the shooter. So far they have not found these people. And they continue searching for them.

[Chiou:] To France now and the capture of the man suspected in a series of shooting incidents in Paris. Abdelhakim Dekhar was arrested on Wednesday night in a Paris suburb. Police allege he shot a photographer at the newspaper, "Liberation," on Monday, gravely wounding him. Dekhar is also suspected of walking into a TV station last Friday and threatening journalists with a gun there. For more now on this arrest, senior international correspondent Jim Bittermann joins us live from Paris. Jim, what else can you tell us about this man?
[Jim Bittermann, Cnn Sr. Intl. Correspondent:] Well, basically, he's got a fairly long track record as far as the police are concerned. It goes back to almost 20 years, to 1994, when he was arrested and convicted of supplying a weapon that was used in another shooting spree in Paris, and that shooting spree, a young couple went around with a sawed-off shotgun and killed three policemen and two other people in 1994. They were convicted. He was convicted of aiding them to the extent that he had supplied the shotgun. He spent four years in prison for that and then kind of disappeared off the radar, although he appears to have left the country and went to London, worked in London for a brief time. He came back here sometime in the summer and was living here this summer and then went on his own shooting spree in the last couple of days here, starting with the incident on Friday at BFM Television and the shooting at the newspaper and bank on Monday. Police wasted no time in tracking him down; they had DNA evidence that they recovered from all of the various crime scenes and were able to make matches to his DNA. When they found him, he was, in fact, was in a parking lot, in a semi-comatose state. He apparently, according to the French interior minister, had tried to commit suicide. He has now since come around and police are beginning to question him. The Paris prosecutor held a news conference a short while ago. And in that news conference, he said that back in 1994, in fact, the perpetrator, the gunmen, Dekhar, had, in fact, shown some psychiatric disorderly signs. Here is what he said.
[Unidentified Male:] In his psychiatric expertise, there was there was no he was not shown as being mad; in fact, in no psychiatric abnormality; it was just that the experts noted at the time, given the speech tendencies of being a possible what could be called obsessive.
[Bittermann:] And in fact, that's one of the things that came out in a suicide note that he left, Dekhar left, when he tried to commit suicide last night. That note was described by a prosecutor as kind of rambling and delusionary with references to fascist plots and the manipulations carried out by the media. In any case, he is now in custody and is being questioned, Pauline.
[Chiou:] All right. Thank you very much, Jim, for the latest on this arrest there in Paris. Now let's turn to Poland. As we told you on Wednesday, the prime minister has shuffled his cabinet, and this man is the new finance minister. He is an economist with no background in politics, but Poland's economy has grown since the collapse of the Soviet Union. And as John Defterios explains, it's spent much of that time under the radar of much of the world.
[John Defterios, Cnn Correspondent:] It all began with a BRIC over a decade ago, an acronym for the fast-growing emerging markets of Brazil, Russia, India and China. Adding South Africa, the BRICS spawned a new political voice on the world stage. Then came a handful of others: CIVETS, MIST, MINT and theN11. With every new wordplay, a new group of hot emerging markets took center stage; new, must-have investments in global finance. Yet one emerging market continues to fly under the radar.
[Ryszard Petru, Polish Economist's Association:] So when you look globally at emerging markets, usually you might name BRICS or Asia; usually you do not look at Poland.
[Miroslaw Szczepanski, Warsaw Stock Exchange:] Sometimes we have such a feeling that they look at Central and Eastern Europe.
[Defterios:] But while the likes of China and Brazil or Indonesia and Vietnam garner the headlines, Poland has quietly taken care of business. Since the breakup of the Soviet Union, its economy has grown on average between 4 percent and 5 percent a year. It's the only European Union country to avoid recession since the global financial crisis hit back in 2008. And as a sign of Poland's economic health, the Warsaw Stock Exchange played host to the largest number of IPOs in Europe last year. It's an enviable track record. And when added to its geographic location, competitive labor costs, sizable local market and educated workforce, it's hard to see how Poland goes so unnoticed.
[Szczepanski:] We can say that our market is a little bit undervalued.
[Petru:] Frankly, sometimes, Poland behaves differently than emerging market countries.
[Defterios:] Not everyone has missed Poland's economic story; the likes of Cadbury Schweppes, Twinings, Electrolux, Credit Suisse and Dell have all moved factories to the country in recent years. But the investment trend in emerging markets is, for example, to go from here in the Middle East to Far East Asia or south into Africa, where growth is ticking away at 6 percent to 7 percent. That level of expansion is encouraging foreign direct investment, although Poland sits within a market of better than a half-billion consumers.
[Petru:] We do not experience the growth like new emerging markets, like 5 percent or 7 percent like in China. But we still have much better than average European growth.
[Defterios:] The IMF forecasts Poland will grow by 2.4 percent next year, not enough, perhaps, to put the P of Poland in the next acronym of the world's hottest emerging markets, but enough to make the last 20 years Poland's best period of sustained economic growth and give it the status of a leading emerging market John Defterios, CNN, Dubai.
[Chiou:] Just after the break, a giant Boeing cargo plane is stranded in the state of Kansas. It landed at the wrong airport and now it's stuck. How did this happen? We'll have the details, coming up.

[King:] Now one reason so many Republicans want to run for president in 2016 is history. It's very rare for the party ending a two-term presidency to keep the White House. So Hillary Clinton has to hope that President Obama, well, has a little Ronald Reagan in him. Hillary Clinton wants the President to have mojo at the end because it could help her. So she probably liked this moment at the State of the Union.
[Obama:] I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda I know because I won both of them.
[King:] Now we didn't hear that from President Reagan in his seventh-year State of the Union address. He didn't say anything like that, but a President standing at the end of his term could impact the next election. Look at Ronald Reagan's numbers. These are the ones that matter most. In 1988 heading into 1989, look, this is sort of late in the election year. Ronald Reagan starts to go up. He was very popular at the end. That's not the only reason. A lot of Democrats were saying don't give George H.W. Bush a third Reagan term. Reagan's numbers were going up George H.W. Bush won the White House that hasn't happened in a long time. So the question is where will President Obama be at the end? You see his numbers starting to go up now but it's only early 2015. Watch his numbers as we head into 2016. It is possible if President Obama stays up above 50 that it helps Hillary Clinton. No disrespect intended with the seesaw. We're just having a little fun here. Julie Davis among all those watching the State of the Union, you have to think Hillary Clinton is thinking I want this president maybe I need this president to be moving that way.
[Hirschfeld-davis:] Well, absolutely. And I mean she has to have been very happy with the message that he laid out in the State of the Union very aggressive, kind of setting the distinctions between the two parties. Here's what we would do here's what I would do for the middle class. Let's hear Republicans step up and say what they're going to do. We heard that message coming out of the State of the Union as he
[Martin:] The biggest political story of the last month has nothing to do with Iowa, fundraising, or who's hiring which campaign manager. It has to do with the fact that Barack Obama's numbers are creeping back up. And if he gets to 50 percent or higher on 2016 Election Day and the economy is coming back and gas prices are at $1.75 a gallon, that is the election right there because to your point just now, so many of these elections are about the incumbent. It doesn't matter if the incumbent is on the ballot or not. If President Obama is coming back and the economy is roaring back, it's going to be very tough for the Democrats to lose this one.
[King:] You hear a lot of Republicans saying, you know, she would be the third Obama term. I remember a lot of Democrats in '87 being out in Iowa as Michael Dukakis [inaudible] in that class of Democrats saying George H.W. Bush would be a third term Reagan. They said it scornfully at the time. By the time you got around to November 1988 they weren't saying that as much. So we watch it going forward. You were about to make a point.
[O'keefe:] I was just going to say that when he made that line, two things. I was in the room. The first person to clap was the first lady because she's done with campaigning. She thought it's great
[King:] Are you sure about that?
[O'keefe:] "You're done, great." But the Democrats loved that line. And it's that confidence. What others would see as cockiness that they've been really starving to see from them. And a lot of them made the point to me this week. They say, we may have lost the election in November but why is it now that everyone's talking about our issues, the one we started? Income inequality. The way they see it The President references the one percent in his State of the Union address. That was unthinkable a few years ago. Mitt Romney and other Republicans are running around talking about income inequality. The way they see it, you know, they're winning the argument and the President helped them do that this week.
[King:] If his numbers stay up, not only does it help Hillary Clinton. It may force the Republicans to negotiate.
[Martin:] Absolutely.
[King:] Right now they're saying, "No, no, no, no, no." It was interesting Molly, we had not seen Hillary Clinton in more than a month. She came out the day after the State of the Union. Here she is in Canada. Again I think I've said this before. I'm not sure how many electoral votes Winnipeg, Canada gets in our presidential election. But that's where she was scheduled to be. And here she is essentially embracing the President's middle class message. I'll add the "but" after.
[Clinton:] There's so much more to do to bring security and possibility to families struggling with stagnant wages and sinking hopes, to restore comedy and cooperation to our politics, to restore committee and cooperation to our politics, to reform our broken immigration system, to restitch the fraying fabric of American life.
[King:] A lot to talk about here. But let's start with this. A lot of people had said during this month off. Is she working on her rationale to be president? Is she working on making a case that I'm not the past but I have experience that can lead us into the future?
[Ball:] And we still need to hear I think from Hillary Clinton, a coherent case to that end. And she has been in this tough position where because she's not officially a candidate it's been hard for her to make that pitch. I was actually surprised by how sort of noncommittal she was in talking directly about the State of the Union. She sort of said the middle class is a good thing and I'm glad Obama is talking about it, which is like as non endorsement an endorsement as you can get. One of our writers, David Fromm had a perceptive piece saying that he thinks Obama is trying to box Hillary in. That by taking a very aggressively liberal platform in his last couple of years in office, he's trying to push her to the left and make sure that she can't do the Clinton thing and sort of triangulate, and run to the center and get all of her corporate cronies on board in her election. Particularly if she doesn't have any competition in the Democratic field, any meaningful competition, who else is going to do that? Who else can make her say the kinds of things that like an Elizabeth Warren potentially or the Democratic base would want her to say in terms of actually making commitments on the issues the left cares about.
[King:] It's interesting you make that point because in a tweet on State of the Union night and then in that speech she said nice things as you know about what the President said, but she also said, now it's time to deliver. That was her message in 2008 that this young senator, Barack Obama talks a good game, but can he deliver. Was she poking him?
[Hirschfeld-davis:] Well, it was striking it's unclear to me whether she was poking him directly but I think she is leaving herself a very clear avenue to if she runs and is being portrayed as a third Obama term and that's seen as a bad thing, to get some distance from him. She's going to need some distance from him. She was his secretary of state after all. She's going to need a way of making a distinction between what she would do as president and the kind of president she would be. And I know Barack Obama and I think, you know, in those very carefully worded ways she's preserving that option for herself and that's a smart move I think for her.
[O'keefe:] And we saw very little of that attack line against her in Iowa on Saturday. It was only Carly Fiorina who really said, "I've flown around the world as a corporate executive and done things, she was only flying around the world and didn't really get anything done." That part of her career she's going to have to explain at some point, but on everything else you're right. She's probably trying to put some distance.
[Martin:] The party out there in Iowa yesterday the candidates were more focused on going after each other than on Hillary
[O'keefe:] Yes.
[Martin:] which tells you the party right now is really engaged in an intense conversation about its future and sort of what it stands for right.
[King:] Republicans are still debating who they are
[O'keefe:] Their identity.
[King:] they can get to the next one over. But they'll get to her. I don't think she'll have
[Martin:] They haven't forgotten Hillary.
[Ball:] They're going to have to have that conversation, too right. It's just not clear where the venue is going to be if she gets coronated.
[King:] That's a great point to make. Democrats will have what does the post-Obama Democratic Party look even if we have ahead of it before we have a competition? Everybody sit tight. Tomorrow's news today is next as we ask our great reporters to get you out ahead of the big political stories just ahead including what Marco Rubio and Joe Biden are thinking about 2016.

[Whitfield:] It was supposed to be history in the making for California Chrome. At least that's what plenty of folks were betting on. After winning the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, there were high hopes that he would run away with it at the Belmont Stakes but he just couldn't pull it off. CNN's Richard Roth looks at the race and why California Chrome's owner is fuming mad.
[Richard Roth, Cnn Correspondent:] Steve Coburn, co-owner of California Chrome, was in a good mood moments before the Belmont Stakes waving his cowboy hat to the fans but minutes later Coburn refused to wave the surrender flag after California Chrome finished fourth, missing out on the elusive Triple Crown. The California factory worker blasted other owners of horses who did not run in the first two legs of the triple crown. The Kentucky Derby and Preakness leaving them rested for the Belmont to take down California Chrome.
[Steve Coburn, California Chrome's Co-owner:] This is a coward's way out in my opinion. This is a coward's way out.
[Roth:] Critics have called Coburn's comments sour grapes. He didn't back down Sunday morning.
[Coburn:] These people, they nominate the horses for the triple crown which means three. Triple, three. And then they hold out two and then come back and run one. That would be like me 6'2", that would be like me at 6'2" playing basketball with a kid in a wheelchair.
[Roth:] But the Triple Crown has been won only 11 times and that test of endurance winning three races of different distances in just five weeks is why it's horse racing's greatest achievement. Coburn's 77- year-old trainer was more generous in defeat.
[Art Sherman, California Chrome Trainer:] The horse is not cowards and the people aren't cowards. You know what I mean? I think it was a little out of text myself. But hey. He was at the heat of the moment. You know what I mean? And don't forget. He's a fairly new owner. You know what I mean? Sometimes your emotions get in front of you.
[Roth:] Coburn went to the barn to check on California Chrome who has an ailing hoof. The owner still sounded in pain.
[Coburn:] If there's ever a chance that we have another horse that has earned his way to the Kentucky Derby, we'll run at Kentucky and then the hell with the rest of them.
[Roth:] California Chrome is off to California. His owner will follow. But not singing New York, New York on takeoff. Richard Roth, CNN, New York.
[Whitfield:] And the Pope leads a rare prayer meeting today. Bringing together key Israeli and Palestinian leaders but will it help bring peace to the region? But first, here's today's CNN hero.
[Unidentified Female:] As a child, I ran from the killing squads three times. Even now, I still dream that I'm running. Our entire little town was burned. To nothing. My mother and father were killed in the mass graves. I sometimes think it would have been better if I had died with them. I cry at night. Your letters are for me like medicine. These are the last survivors of the Holocaust in Eastern Europe. And they're out there today elderly, alone, suffering. They don't have extended family. Life is so hard in these places. They don't have anything. I saw it with my own eyes and I knew that no one was helping them. So I wanted to reach out and help them. We provide them with direct and continuous financial aid for food, heat and medication and shelter. OK? Stay healthy and write to me. And we let them know they've not been forgotten. This person I'm very worried about. His wife is paralyzed. He himself is so not well. We get stacks and stacks of letters every week. Mostly in Russian. They sent out the translators and then we start to answer them immediately and sending money. We are now helping 2,000 people in eight countries. The money is life saving. But the connection, the letters, the communication, equally life saving. I'm going to come back and see you. We can really write a more hopeful final chapter to the Holocaust, this time one of kindness and compassion. What they finally deserve at the end of their lives.

[Pereira:] Good to have you back with us here on NEW DAY. A 20-year- old from the St. Louis area is now in custody for that shooting of two police officers last week in Ferguson, Missouri. Jeffrey Williams is his name. He was arrested late Saturday, charged with first-degree assault. Now, he admitted to firing the shot. However, he claims that the target was not police. Let's bring in the managing editor of "The St. Louis American," Chris King. Also with us, CNN law enforcement analyst, former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes. Good morning. Happy Monday to the both of you. Tom, obviously, a big question here is motive and intent. Bob McCulloch, the prosecutor, at the press conference said he understood that Williams had said there was some sort of dust-up with some other people he had, some sort of beef, and that he went to find them, opened fire and that the police were not his targets. Do you buy that?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Actually, Michaela, I don't buy it.
[Pereira:] Why?
[Fuentes:] Having been to the scene and looked at it, you know, we learned that the demonstrators have pretty much been moved off the street and the police and the people who are witnesses from down below on Florissant, directly in front of the police department, where the police were standing, said that they were positive the shots had come from up the hill. And having been up on that hill with a reporter, looking back down toward where the police were standing, we were told that that street was wide open, that car traffic had not yet opened up on Florissant. The demonstrators had been moved off the street into parking lots on two sides of the side street. And there really weren't demonstrators on the street to shoot at, at the time of the shooting. Now, up the street up the side street in the darkness where the shots come from, there might have been other people up there. So it's a possibility that he was trying to have, you know, a discussion, altercation, whatever, with other people up there. But the fact that four or five rang out and two hit police officers standing side-by-side when he claims he's shooting at somebody else is just a little bit farfetched, I think.
[Pereira:] What about what about you, Chris? Do you buy it? I mean, the prosecutor said some evidence supports his claim, others don't. The investigation will continue. But what do you think?
[Chris King, "st. Louis American":] I've also been up on the hill and, you know, it's a pretty good elevation fall. So if you don't know how to shoot downhill, who knows what you're going to hit? There were still protestors on the scene. I talked to plenty of people who hit the ground when the bullets rang out. And if you look at statistical probability, sorry to say, it's very common in this area for young men to shoot at young other men in the mist and hit somebody else.
[Pereira:] So the fact that nobody else was shot is such a mystery to so many people. Now, this point about whether this guy was or was not a demonstrator seems to be kind of a key factor. Chris, you know the make-up of this crowd. You've been following it. You've been covering it. You've been down there on the ground. Do you know this guy to be one of the demonstrators?
[King:] Absolutely not. Lawrence Bryant shoots for "The American" at night. He saw the night protest. He shot every single one since August 9. He saw this young man Wednesday, as he said hanging around on the protest. But he recognized him specifically as a new face, because people are wary of new faces.
[Pereira:] So Tom, does that say to you then, following your line of thought, that this guy was an outside agitator? Or was this somebody who just happened to be in the area and had other intentions?
[Fuentes:] I don't know. You know, I really don't know that, Michaela. We don't know if when the crowds were bigger and noisier and people were on, you know, different parts of different streets, whether he had been out there before or not. You know, it doesn't sound like he had been a regular protestor, if at all. But I think that, in a way, you know, there's no way to know positively whether he had been out there before.
[Pereira:] Chris, what do you think the overall effect of not only the shooting of these officers but the arrest of this young man? What kind of effect do you think it will have on the overall movement and the demonstrations and the feeling of the people who are wanting their voices heard there in Ferguson?
[King:] There are two critical things here. Jon Belmar, the county police chief, announced that people from all strata of the community, including people from the protest community, cooperated with the investigations. That is critical and beautiful. On the other hand, I do believe the chief and the prosecutor both overplayed the emphasis that this kid is a protester when he really isn't, and that that really damaged the possibility for this to be a step forward.
[Pereira:] It's an interesting thought. Now Tom, in terms of law enforcement, do you think this is going to change their reaction to the demonstrations, to the presence of people on the ground? The fact that two of their own were shot, do you think it's going to cause them to step up their presence or change how they police there?
[Fuentes:] I don't think so. I think they're still going to, you know, perform about the way they have. And it should be noted that when these shots rang out, the police just didn't wildly shoot back and, you know, hit other members of the crowd, but they were disciplined, at least not returning fire in a difficult situation. But what the police have been used to from the beginning is that, you know, starting later in the night, after midnight, after 1 a.m., I refer to this as the normal clientele of the police. People come out that are not part of the protest, that are not demonstrators. They're outside agitators, maybe even inside agitators. But they're out looking for trouble. And a lot of these people would have been on the street, causing trouble if there had never been a protest, never been an incident with Michael Brown. That's just the nature of what police deal with late at night in most places in this country. So having been a street cop six years, that's who comes out after midnight.
[Pereira:] Unfortunately, there's a good level of truth in that. Chris, I want to end with you. Final thought here: What do you expect is going to happen next? Do you think we're going to see more arrests? Do you think there's going to be lack of confidence in the mayor? What do you see happening?
[King:] I don't see Jeffrey Williams as likely having some elaborate operation behind him. I spent time on his Facebook page last night. He's really interested in himself, it looks like, and a little bit of whiskey, maybe. I don't think he's a part of some ring that's out to kill police or protestors. And I think we have the same problems we had before of this as if he's guilty. This knucklehead squeezed off two shots that night.
[Pereira:] Do you think the mayor survives?
[King:] Mayor Knowles is not an important player. The city council of Ferguson makes the decisions. The mayor is just a voting member at large at the council. His role in this is grossly overstated.
[Pereira:] Chris King, Tom Fuentes, always a pleasure to have you. Thanks so much for joining us.
[King:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] Alisyn.
[Camerota:] OK, Michaela. Let's talk about this cyclone of historic proportion. It's tearing away Vanuatu. That's the Pacific island nation. And it is in ruins this morning. Witnesses describing unimaginable destruction. CNN will take you there live.
[Berman:] And four months after the president nominated her to be the next attorney general, Loretta Lynch is still not confirmed. The top Senate Republican insisting that a new issue now has to be resolved first. So how long will this take now?

[Blitzer:] Doctors in Arkansas are holding out hope for a 12-year-old girl infected by a brain-eating parasite. No one is known to have survived the infection in the past decade. She remains in critical condition in an Arkansas hospital. Elizabeth Cohen reports.
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] When Kali Hardig arrived she was so exhausted she couldn't answer the questions.
[Traci Hardig, Kali's Mother: Diagnosed With Brain-eating Amoeba:] He asked me if Kali could be like a hypochondriac.
[Cohen:] But Kali's mom insists she's no drama queen. The doctor listened and ran tests that showed Kali had a rare and almost always deadly infection. Swimming around in her spinal fluid, this brain- eating amoeba. Her parents were told she might only have days to live.
[Hardig:] I hung on by my husband and asked him, what are we going to do. He would tell me that we're going to pray and help her fight. We're going to tell her to fight and she would be OK.
[Cohen:] To preserve brain tissue, her doctors induced a coma and cooled her body to 93 degrees. Doctors turned to the Centers for Disease Control for help. It has worked. There's no trace of the parasite in her spinal fluid.
[Dr. Sanjiv Pasala, Pediatric Intensive Care Physician, Arkansas Children's Hospital:] Day by day, she's showing improvement. We're all very optimistic.
[Cohen:] She remains in intensive care in critical condition.
[Pasala:] Killing the amoebas is one thing but managing brain swelling and the aftermath is the critical part of having her survive.
[Cohen:] If Kali does pull through, she'll beat the odds. Only one person in the U.S. has beat this in the past 50 years. Elizabeth Cohen, CNN, reporting
[Blitzer:] Let's hope she does. Facing numerous accusations of sexual assault, the San Diego mayor is asking the taxpayers to pick up the tab for his sexual harassment lawsuit. What the city council is saying about that. That's next.

[Manisha Tank:] Hi, I'm Manisha Tank in Hong Kong. A warm welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet. The U.S. president looks set to meet his Cuban counterpart. We'll have the latest on the historic thaw in relations. Plus, a sad day for cricket fans. Former star player and announcer Richie Benaud dies. And Apple is now taking orders for its new watch, but who wants one? The U.S. President Barack Obama is set to meet face-to-face with leader Raul Castro for the first time since the two countries began normalizing relations late last year. They'll each take part in the Summit of the Americas that opens later today in Panama City. At some point during the event, Mr. Obama is expected to announce that the United States is dropping Cuba from the list of countries it considers state sponsors of terrorism. This summit in Central America has already brought one historic meeting between the two country's top diplomats. The U.S. Secretary of State met with his Cuban counterpart on Thursday evening. So to help us break down the implications of these newly thawed relations between the United States and Cuba, and to preview what else is expected at that summit, let's bring in our Rosa Flores who is in Panama City. You know, we can't underestimate the significance of all of this. It certainly has been a big week and promises to be an even bigger day.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] Oh, absolutely, Manisha. First of all, good morning. You know, we are seeing history unfold before our eyes. It's important to note that both President Obama and President Castro have arrived. They are actually here in Panama. And while no bilateral meeting between the both heads of state has been set at this point in time, we do know that during the event they're expected to mingle. Now that is when we're expecting to see that symbolic hangshake, the much anticipated handshake between these two heads of state. As you mentioned, Secretary Kerry meeting with his counterpart late last night. Of course, that's Cuban foreign minister Bruno Rodriguez, a huge symbol, of course, because such a high level meeting had not happened since, hear this, 1958. So that's a really big deal for the Cubans, especially since the State Department is expected to make an announcement regarding the state sponsored terrorism list. Now the State Department expected to recommend to President Obama that Cuba be removed from that list. And that's a huge win for the Cubans, especially as negotiations continue for the establishment of embassies both in D.C. and Havana. So a lot going on, Manisha. We're monitoring it all from here, but of course all eyes on that historic and symbolic handshake that we should see during the Summit of the Americas.
[Tank:] Yeah, there is a handshake isn't just a photo call, it's really important, isn't it? OK, how [inaudible] though of Venezuela in all of this complicate matters?
[Flores:] You know, it really does dice the situation here at the Summit of the Americas, because President Maduro has been collecting signatures in his country. And it's almost been rallying a posse of sorts of Latin American leaders to get them on his side. Now all of this is after the United States issued an excutive order sanctioning seven Venezuelan officials for human rights violantions. So let me show you something. This is what they're doing. Venezuela is also going to the local papers and taking out fullpage ads against that executive order. So this is what we're seeing. But imagine this, all of these heads of state under the same roof and Ecuador, Nicaragua, Bolivia, even Cuba already siding with Maduro on this situation, situation of the executive order. So of course that complicates the situation a bit. We're going to be monitoring to see what happens, to see if there is not only a handshake between President Obama and President Castro, but what about President Maduro. Will a handshake happen there? We're going to wait and see.
[Tank:] Yeah. Well, it's great to have you on the scene there keeping across all of this. Sparks might fly. Let's hope they don't. Let's hope people can work out these issues as you always do in these matters.
[Flores:] After all, it's all about diplomacy here, right, at the Summit of the Americas.
[Tank:] Well, yeah, it's meant to be. It's meant to be. Let's hope it really is that way. But you're going to be the one who will be telling us about it either way. Thanks so much. Well, of course as the U.S. gets closer to Cuba it is also trying to move ahead on a deal with Iran's nuclear program. But the U.S. Congress still threatens to stand in the way of that. and ocmments by Iran's supreme leader and the country's president aren't helping matters at the moment. Well, Fred Pleitgen joins us now with more on this from CNN London. You know, Fred, you've been monitoring this over some time, this story. And things have just as we thought that things would come together very nicely, there are still some very tough negotiations that still need to be had. And of course, you've got to get it all past the lawmakers in the U.S. as well.
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn International Correspondent:] Got to get past the lawmakers in the U.S. And also there's a lot of backlash that's in Iran as well. And if you look back just a couple of days ago after that interim agreement was signed where you had those people in the streets of Tehran who were driving around in those cars who were waving Iranian flags absolutely ecstatic, many people thought that it was only a few details that still needed to be worked out and that a deal was very much realistically by June 30. But not it seems as though there is more pessimism. Of course everybody has been waiting to hear from the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on the issue, because he of course is the one who calls the shots in Iran. And he said at this point he's not necessarily optimistic. He said there might not be a deal by June 30. There might, in fact, be no deal at all. And for the Iranians, what it comes down to is sanctions relief. They say, both Ali Khamenei as well as the President Hassan Rouhani yesterday said, they want the day of the implementation for all of the sanctions to go away. Now the U.S. in the past has hinted that it wants the sanctions to be phased out as Iran starts complying with various parts of the deal. Of course it has to do a lot of things. It has to shut down some of its uranium enrichment. It has to remodify some of its reactors as well. So there is a lot of things that need to be done. So there does seem to be a lot of difference of opinion as well. But there's other things that I wouldn't say are troubling, but could complicate the matters. For instance, the U.S. in a list that it put out of the corner points of the deal said that there would be inspections in the entire country. Well, the Iranians have now come out and said for instance military sites will not be inspected. That's something that could also be an issue. So, while there was that big euphoria when that interim agreement was signed, it seems as though both negotiating sides, both the U.S. as well as Iran, as well as the other countries as well, of course, are coming very much down to the reality of things once again.
[Tank:] Yeah, once again. And I one feels like we might be at this juncture again in a year from now. I think many hope that won't be the case, but let's see, huh? Fred, thank you very much for that. Now, to the United States and another video has surfaced in the fatal police shooting of an unarmed black man. The dash cam video from a police patrol car shows the events that led to Walter Scott being shot and killed. CNN's Martin Savidge breaks down the new footage for us.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Dash cam video now released capturing the moment police officer Michael Slager pulls over Walter Scott last Saturday morning. Slager's patrol car follows Scott as he pulls into a parking lot of an auto parts store. Moments later, Slager approaches the car and asks Scott for his driver's license.
[Michael Slager, North Charleston Police Officer:] The reason for the stop is your third brake light is out.
[Savidge:] In less than a minute the talk turns to paperwork, questions over Scott's purchase of the car.
[Slager:] Just a minute ago, you told me that you bought, and you're changing eveyrhing on Monday.
[Walter Scott:] I'm sorry about that.
[Savidge:] Slager returns to his patrol car. Moments later, Scott starts to get out of his vehicle.
[Slager:] Gotta stay in the car.
[Savidge:] And in fewer than 30 seconds, Scott gets out of his car again and runs. Possible reason, the 50-year-old tried to flee, a bench warrant was out for his arrest since January of 2013 after failing to pay over $18,000 in back child support for two children. What happens next is out of view of the camera, but partially picked up on the officer's microphone. He sounds like he's running and can be heard yelling.
[Slager:] Taser! Taser! Taser!
[Savidge:] One eyewitness says a tussle ensues.
[Gwen Nicols, Witness:] It wasn't on the ground rolling, it was like a tussle type of thing like, you know, what do you want or what did I do type of thing?
[Savidge:] The man who took this disturbing cell phone video said they were on the ground before he started recording.
[Feidin Santana, Witnessed Scott's Shooting:] I went to the scene and Mr. Scott was already on the ground. The cop was on top of him. He was tasing Mr. Scott.
[Savidge:] Slager joined the police department five years ago. In 2013, police record show he was exonerated following a complaint of improper use of force with a taser involving this man. Mario Givens, he says that Slager burst through his front door in the case of mistaken identity, meaning to arrest his brother for robbery.
[Mario Givens, Field Complaint Against Officer Slager:] He pulled out his taser and told me if you don't come out, I'm going to tase you. I put my hand up, I moved out the way. He still shot me with the taser.
[Savidge:] Slager's mother Karen Sharpe told ABC she hasn't seen the video and can't imagine her son shooting and killing an unarmed black man while he ran away.
[Karen Sharpe, Mother Of Officer Slager:] I just have to let it be and hope God takes care of everybody involved. Not only for my family but for the Scott's family.
[Tank:] Well, Martin Savidge joins us now from North Charleston in South Carolina to talk a bit more about this. Martin, what I'm really interested in is how this new video that has surfaced is going to help authorities learn more about this whole incident. You know, it depends on who you talk to. The attorneys who represent the family of Walter Scott say this changes nothing, that the focus is still quite rightly on the former police officer who shot and killed Walter Scott and we're talking about Michael Slager. However, it does tell us how it started. And that is a part that we had not known up until now other than by a police report. We have, of course, the bystander video, which shows how the man was shot and killed, but it didn't really tell us how did it all begin, and why did it escalate so quickly. So, some insight here, but again it does not change the basic parameters of this particular case. I will point out that there is an interesting facet the video brings forward. And that is there's somebody else in the car with Walter Scott, and that person could be key. Martin, clearly you've talked to family members on both sides of this particular incident. Still so much emotion there. Many are heartbroken by what's happened. How are they coping? How is the city coping? And, you know, the wider impact of this case.
[Savidge:] A lot of people have tried to make a kind of connection, say, between what happeend in Ferguson, Missouri where you had a very violent community reaction versus what you have had happen here. I think that's too big a stretch to make it too early a time, but it is obvious that the community here has remained cal despite a very horrific event that not only happpen, but people have seen now around the world. One of the major differences is of course that the person involved, the police officer, was arrested and charged with murder by the time that the video came out that everyone is so upset to see. But there is also I think a resolve in this community to push forward with the prosecution of this officer. So how it moves forward and the outcome of any potential trial is going to weigh heavy and how this community continues to react. The families, of course for them it's a tragedy. And everyone admits it on both sides, a young officer he's just got another child on the way, his life clearly looks very difficult ahead. And then the family of Walter Scott. He ahs four kids. He's dead. He'll never get that life back. So it's a tragedy for this community that feels well beyond it.
[Tank:] Martin Savidge in North Charleston, thanks very much for bringing that to us. I want to bring you some news just coming in to us at CNN. A source close to her campaign says that Hillary Clinton will officially announce her bid for U.S. President on Sunday. The source says the announcement will be made as a video through social media immediately followed by a trip to the early caucus state of Iowa. If it happens, the former U.S. Secretary of State will be the first Democrat to formally declared a run for the White House in 2016, a story we'll certainly be following closer and closely her eon CNN throughout the day. Everybody was talking about it and finally we're hearing something a bit more concrete. Still to come here on News Stream, desperately needed medical aid finally makes its way to war-torn Yemen. Details on that later this hour. Also, a monster tornado outbreak in the U.S. powerful enough to push over a giant truck, shatters what up until now had been a queit tornado season. And sport fans around the world are mourning as the beloved voice of cricket goes silent.

[Malveaux:] In Minneapolis, a 94-year-old man is accused of being part of a Nazi-led military unit that was responsible for many deaths. His son says he is not a Nazi. Miguel Marquez has the story.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Is he or isn't he? The allegation that 94-year-old Michael Karkoc hid his Nazi past for nearly 70 years has shocked this suburb.
[Gordon Gnasdonsky, Neighbor:] The Nazi thing was big. I would feel differently about him.
[Marquez:] The allegations begin with his own memoir published in the Ukraine in 1995. Karkoc admits he helped found the Ukrainian Self- Defense Legion, an offshoot of Hitler's brutal S.S. division. His son insists his father is innocent.
[Andrij Karkoc, Son Of Michael Karkoc:] The associated press intentionally and maliciously defamed our father, Michael Karkoc.
[Marquez:] The Associated Press alleges that Mr. Karkoc lied about his military service when he entered the U.S. in 1949, was in charge of the Nazi-directed division when it nearly wiped out the population of a Polish town, and even may have taken part in the ruthless suppression of Warsaw towards the end of the war. Even the Associated Press admits there is no evidence that Mr. Karkoc was directly involved in any of it.
[Karkoc:] To quote the A.P., "Records do not show that Karkoc had a direct hand in war crimes," end quote. My father was never a Nazi.
[Marquez:] Still, the A.P. says it sticks by its reporting. And the U.S. Department of Justice will only say it looks into all credible allegations of Nazi war crimes. If this is found to be credible, finding Mr. Karkoc in court would be a long process. [on camera]: A very long process. If these charges move forward, Mr. Karkoc would have to be denaturalized, deported, and then tried in either Germany or Poland. Miguel Marquez, CNN, Los Angeles.
[Malveaux:] If you're looking to buy a house, you'll want to listen to this. Home price, mortgage rates both on the rise. Coming up, why now is the time to lock it? Then, Jay-Z making a big announcement during an NBA game. He's offering up his 12 albums for free. We'll explain that, next.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back, everybody, to NEW DAY. It's Thursday, July 25th. I'm Chris Cuomo.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Hi, everyone. I'm Kate Bolduan. Great to see you all. Great to see you, Michaela Pereira. We're all back. Coming up in the show, CNN exposes a cruise ship secret. Crew members accused of hiding food meant for passengers, but hiding the food in their own cabins so health inspectors wouldn't see it.
[Cuomo:] Plus a former first daughter tapped by President Obama to be the next ambassador to, wait for it, Japan. Why? We'll tell you about it, but first let's get to Michaela for the top news right now.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] I want to give you an update on the breaking news that we've been following this morning. Dramatic new surveillance video of the moment of impact when a train derailed in Spain going around the bend at high speeds, 77 people were killed, more than 130 injured in the wreck near Santiago De Compostela. Rescue crews have been working for hours pulling survivors from the twisted train cars. That train jumped the track to what's described as a difficult curve. One report suggests the conductor may have been going twice the posted speed limit. CNN has learned that Huma Abedin considered leaving husband Anthony Weiner when he told her about his latest round of online sexting last fall. But she decided to work through their problems because he is a loving father to their son. Weiner is being urged by many to end his run for mayor of New York City. He faced protesters while campaigning Wednesday, even a heckler who claimed he was the real Carlos Danger, Weiner's online alias. Firefighters making some encouraging progress against a wildfire burning near dozens of homes in Central Wyoming. The Fairfield fires as its being known is now 40 percent contained. However, a fire spokesman says even though they have made gains homes and other structures remain threatened. They're also dealing with two other fires burning in that state. We want to show you some horrific motorcycle accident video involving the grandson of golfing legend, Jack Nicklaus. It happened on a Tallahassee street back in May. That's Nick O'Leary, starting tight end for Florida State's football team. He's thrown from his motorcycle after a car cut him off. He literally almost got launched into an oncoming bus, but incredibly he walked away with minor injuries. I know it's almost unbelievable.
[Cuomo:] Wow, look what happens to the bike.
[Pereira:] It's decimated. We love to show you crazy animal videos. Hello, gentlemen and ladies, Jiff the Pomeranian. Is it perhaps the most talented dog ever? You'd be the judge. I don't want to decide this for you. His tricks have made him quite a star on YouTube and on Facebook. He is listed on his Facebook page as being a movie actor and model. The low walk, it's kind of like the commando walk backwards.
[Cuomo:] That's the moonwalk right there for a dog.
[Pereira:] Apparently Jiff's Facebook page has half a million likes, going forward on the scooter, yes.
[Cuomo:] Skateboard here in the U.S., my friend.
[Pereira:] Look at him, that's Jiff people.
[Bolduan:] And he poses for the final shot.
[Pereira:] He looks good doing it.
[Bolduan:] A Pomeranian.
[Cuomo:] That was number three on the royals list.
[Bolduan:] Jiff, good name. What is in a name I ask you? When you're the future king? Quite a lot. Prince George Alexander Louis of Cambridge each name carries the weight of British tradition, but taken together it creates something entirely new. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is in London with more on this. Hi, Erin.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn International Correspondent:] Hi, Kate. Well, they named him pretty quickly by royal standards. It took Charles and Diana a week to announce William's name. Anticipation has ended as the great name debate is over.
[Mclaughlin:] Introducing his royal highness, Prince George Alexander Louis of Cambridge. The name is already a hit on the streets of London.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes. Good old-fashioned British name.
[Mclaughlin:] And a tribute to Queen Elizabeth who met her great grandson for the first time Wednesday at Kensington Palace. George was the name of the queen's father, King George VI who famously had a stammer as portrayed by Colin Firth in the movie "The King's Speech."
[Unidentified Male:] I not care to discuss personal matters.
[Mclaughlin:] Alexander for Queen Victoria whose name was Alexanderina, and Louis is his third name, a nod to the queen'husband, Prince Philip, whose much beloved uncle was Lord Louis Mountbatten. And unlike other royals, this little man only has three names.
[Kate Williams, Royal Historian:] Most royals have four names, some have five and some have seven. They're trying to do here is make their son a bit more like all the other little boys when he goes to school. The only problem is he's going to be a king.
[Mclaughlin:] After spending his first night of hospital in Kensington Palace, Kate and William whisked Prince George away to more humble surroundings, her family's home in Bucklebury. They released a statement saying "this is now a private and quiet time for them to get to know their son." The future king now living the quiet life in a commoner's accommodation. Now the name George is splashed across today's headlines. Take a look at "The Sun" with a rather sweet cover, the baby formerly known as Prince George Alexander Louis of Cambridge. There's "The Times" cover, Kate and William stick to tradition, by George." And then there is "The Mirror" with the headline "Boy George," not sure what to think about that Kate.
[Bolduan:] You knew it was going to happen. I love those headlines. We have a lot of fun with the headlines this week. All right, Erin, thank you so much. Thanks for your help on the story. I want to talk more about this with Victoria Arbiter, CNN royal commentator and also daughter of Queen Elizabeth's former press secretary. Great to see you again, Victoria. So we have it. We've waited a long time. We were wondering what would it be and we now have the name Prince George Alexander Louis. So what do you make of the name?
[Victoria Arbiter, Cnn Royal Commentator:] I think where they've been really smart is they've given this child its own identity while three names that are laden in British family reference and history. But you have to George is an obvious one, patriot saint of England, but Alexander, thinking of the queen's middle name being Alexandra, three former kings of Scotland were named Alexander. But the really poignant name in all of this is Louis. It is William's middle name, but Louis was Mountbatten. It was Charles' grand uncle. The man he called his honorary grandfather. He adored him. He was assassinated by the IRA in 1979, which left a gaping hole in Charles' life. So I like that they've paid homage to him in tribute to Charles.
[Bolduan:] We talked about kind of timing of announcing the name. Often while for us we normally get named in the hospital before we leave. This is considered a pretty quick announcement of the naming. What do you make of that?
[Arbiter:] Really I think William is very keen for everyone to go back to normal, even at the hospital, if you read between the lines in his brief comments to the press he said "I'm hoping all of you can go back to their real lives so we can take care of our baby." He knew that the furor was not going to die down until the name was out there. It was the last remaining piece in the puzzle. So I think his thinking now is you got everything you need, pictures, interview, name, now go away.
[Bolduan:] Now give us a little bit of space and that's why maybe not surprising at all, you thought it was going to happen anyway that they went to Bucklebury to spend time with Kate's family.
[Arbiter:] They did. I'm surprised they went so quickly, but actually Kensington Palace aside from their own apartment being under construction, vast portions of the palace are under construction. It's a building site, imagine the noise, the dust, the dirt and the builders coming and going. Bucklebury is serene. It's almost like a movie English village. It's very beautiful and peaceful so a nice place for the new baby.
[Bolduan:] And on his name there was a lot of talk and speculation leading up to the announcement that maybe William would do something as a tribute to his mother. Does it surprise you that Spencer or some kind of tribute to Diana was not included in the name?
[Arbiter:] Well, I was surprised. I had a really good look at the Spencer family tree. The second Earl Spencer was named George. I don't know that William and Kate paid attention to that because that was a very long time ago, but perhaps it's a distant nod to Diana. But I think there will be room on the second or third child where the pressure and the focus won't be so intense.
[Bolduan:] Yes, but not surprising though that they stuck with traditional names.
[Arbiter:] Absolutely right. William and Kate by nature are very traditional and yet George also, they don't get a baby naming book. They look at the family tree, but George is really cool and trendy again in the U.K. so it's not so old-fashioned that he'll be teased mercilessly in school. It's a great, fun name. So I they've managed to check all the boxes here.
[Bolduan:] Yes. A modern royal couple, but a little nod to tradition.
[Arbiter:] Exactly right.
[Bolduan:] Thank you so much, Victoria, great to see you Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, coming up on NEW DAY, a CNN investigation, a disgusting game of hide and seek aboard a cruise ship. Why are crew members trying to pull a fast one on federal health inspectors? Plus new "Rocky" movie in the works, but Sylvester Stallone is not the star. What? We'll explain in today's pop four.

[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Meanwhile, we will move forward with our plans, supported by bipartisan majorities in Congress, to ramp up our efforts to train and equip the Syrian opposition for the best counter weight to ISIL and the Assad regime. And more broadly, over 40 nations have offered to help in this comprehensive effort to confront this terrorist threat.
[Berman:] The United States is at war this morning, leading a coalition that includes five Arab nations, part of the operation set to wipe out ISIS inside Syria, limit their capability to attack inside Iraq, to degrade and disrupt the activities of that terror group. Again, five Arab nations participating, involved at some level in these air strikes. There are a lot of people, as we sit here this morning, surprised by the size of this coalition and the fact that it came together so quickly. We're joined now by political commentator, Sally Kohn. And also Republican strategist, Mercedes Schlapp, joins me from Washington. Mercedes, it's interesting. CNN was speaking with John Negroponte, a diplomat. He was the ambassador to just about everything. Mostly for Republican administrations. Ambassador Negroponte said he believes that what has gone on over the last 24 hours shows that there is a fairly comprehensive strategy to battle ISIS. Now, hasn't that been the debate? A lot of people have been critical of the Obama administration for having no strategy. Now you have this very, very senior Republican diplomat saying there is a comprehensive strategy here being displayed by this administration.
[Mercedes Schlapp, Republican Strategist:] Well, it looks like these air strikes obviously have been planned for several weeks. I think that there's obviously with the president coming out today with a very somber statement saying, look, we have bipartisan support and I want to make sure that with these congressional leaders And I think the rollout was a little rocky when he started off by saying he had no strategy, to then having a half-baked strategy whether we're going to put troops on the ground or keep the troops out. And so I think this is going to be basically obviously what we know, a very long-term military campaign where pretty much we, Republicans and Democrats, need to come together and support our commander-in-chief.
[Berman:] Indeed, Pentagon officials say it is only the beginning. Sally Kohn, I want to bring you in now because you come from part of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party that has not been in favor of really any kind of military action here in Syria, certainly not the likes of which we have seen today. Based on what you have seen over the last 24 hours and President Obama's explanation of it and the news overnight, there was also an attack on this terror group that was plotting an imminent threat against the United States, what's your reaction?
[Sally Kohn, Cnn Political Commentator:] You're right. I don't think military strikes are the right solution. I've been very clear about that. In that context, as we step back from what I and others think, it's important to look at what the president has done differently. So I don't think a cautious and thoughtful strategy, whether I agree with it or not, I don't think a cautious strategy is no strategy. It's right to approach this carefully. Also what the president has done and this is a real victory for him and a real victory for American foreign policy, is he hasn't gone it alone. Part of the danger in bombing ISIS is it becomes the U.S. versus ISIS, us versus them, and incites all the hatred and anger that fuels terrorism against America. By bringing in Arab partners, by working on diplomacy, we help to maybe ensure that isn't the case. That is a significant victory and a big departure from the past.
[Berman:] Mercedes, do you give the administration credit, including Secretary of State John Kerry, for putting together this coalition, five Arab nations, at least three of which dropped bombs inside a Sunni Arab nation?
[Schlapp:] Absolutely. I think that building the international coalition is incredibly important. President Bush did it back with the Iraq war. Actually, both President Bushes did it. It's incredibly important. The terrorism and ISIS and al Qaeda and Khorasan, their target is Western civilization. So, again, I think it's incredibly important to have the international cooperation. And, again, the bipartisan support of Congress.
[Berman:] All right, Mercedes Schlapp, Sally Kohn, thank you both so much. Ahead for us @THISHOUR, we'll talk about some of the tens of thousands of people caught in the middle of this conflict right now. The victims of ISIS, tens of thousands fleeing Syria, taking their lives on their backs, trying to get over the border, and it's snowballing as we speak. More on that next.

[Cuomo:] Well, you don't need me to tell you, there's some troubling questions out there. What will be the state of peace in the Middle East just a few hours from now after the Israeli prime minister reveals information about Iran to Congress? And looking at Christians, are they being targeted for genocide by ISIS? Is the Pope? Scary questions but real ones. And one leader who must consider all of this is Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York. Your Eminence, thank you for being on
[New Day. Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop Of New York:] Chris, appreciate the invitation. It's good to be with you.
[Cuomo:] As always. Politics aside, the instability that brings Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu here to speak about Iran and what that could mean for the implications what do you see as the greatest value here?
[Dolan:] Well, anything that we can do to bring some stability and some sense of justice and peace to the Mideast, hallelujah. I'm not supposed to say hallelujah, it's Lent, but I just did. Because who there's so much suffering there, Chris, there's so much turmoil and there's so much lack of stability. For us within the Christian family, they take it out on the Christians. The Christians are a distinct singular minority who are being systematically targeted.
[Cuomo:] People don't see it that way here. When you think about Christians, you think of the dominant mass. You know, 80 percent of the country.
[Dolan:] Yes, we know that. There's a couple things we have to remember. Christianity is ancient in that part of the world. You think of the Coptic orthodox Egyptians. Remember the 21 of them
[Cuomo:] Yes.
[Dolan:] beheaded about 10 days ago? They've been in Egypt since the time of Saint Mark the apostle. You're talking about the time of Jesus Christ.
[Cuomo:] And I know you went with them, to give conciliation. What happened?
[Dolan:] I was honored to be with them at their little church on Staten Island. So, look, they've been there, Chris. The Christians have been there seven centuries prior to Islam. So, they're part of the culture. They speak the language of the pharaohs, all right? But yet, they're looked upon as these outsiders. So, that's point number one. They're so venerable. They've been there forever. Secondly, they're a distinct minority. All right? And thirdly, they're sometimes they're caricatured and stereotyped especially by Islamic fanatics as part of Western civilization because Christianity has this reputation sometimes, it's not right, but sometimes in the Arab mind, of being part of Western culture. Christianity is universal. Christianity is all over the world. But we do know in the history of the church one of the ways it was described was through the Roman Empire. It's often thought of as a Western Latin Roman European construct, and that's another element that adds to the sense of antipathy that the extremists have against this poor vulnerable Christian minority and throughout the Mideast.
[Cuomo:] Now, obviously, ISIS is going after everybody, right, who doesn't agree with them, but do you believe that this is targeted genocide, that this is holy war by these ISIS extremists on Christians?
[Dolan:] I do. I think it's time to talk turkey and I think it's systematic well-choreographed, very well-focused attempt to eradicate the ancient Christian population in the Mideast. Now, I'm quick to add, Chris, and I mean this I believe with all my heart and soul that these extremists do not represent genuine Islamic thought.
[Cuomo:] But you believe they are Muslims?
[Dolan:] They are for sure. I would say a particularly perverted form of Islam.
[Cuomo:] But, you know, that's been a real problem for the White House in terms of defining who the enemy is. The president doesn't want to give credibility to them as Muslims because they're not really good Muslims. Many believe it's more confusing than clarifying.
[Dolan:] They claim to be Muslims, even the majority of temperate peace-loving Muslims would say I am afraid they have a particular strand, erroneous Islam. But I do think they are. You know the parallel I've drawn, Chris. And I enough people have been kind enough to tell me that they think the analogy is accurate. Remember 30, 35 years ago with the IRA in Ireland?
[Cuomo:] Sure.
[Dolan:] The IRA claimed to be Catholic.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Dolan:] OK. They were baptized. They had a Catholic identity. What they were doing was a perversion of everything the church stood for, and to their immense credit, the bishops of Ireland, every time the IRA blew up a car or a house or barracks in the British army, the Irish bishops say they are not Catholic.
[Cuomo:] You're calling for the same thing now?
[Dolan:] The analogy is somewhat accurate. These are not pure, these are not real Muslims. Now what we need and what Pope Francis has led the world in saying, is we need the temperate moderate genuine forces of Islam to rise up and say this they do not represent us. Now, that's beginning to happen. God can bring good out of evil.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Dolan:] You saw a leading scholar in Egypt now.
[Cuomo:] Sure.
[Dolan:] Has visited the Coptic pope and said we have to start working.
[Cuomo:] You have the Grand Muftis and other big Muslim leaders come out and say it, but it's a tremendous community, it crosses lots of different culture, and there is more of a call for one voice.
[Dolan:] Yes, now, my Muslim friends here in New York will tell me one problem we have that you Catholics don't, we don't have one leader that speaks to us. Like you have Pope Francis. We don't have that because there are different splinters of Islamic thought, Islamic practice, but I think if something good's coming from this, Chris, is we see the voice of measured, temperate, fair, just Islam that's beginning to speak up and say these fanatics do not represent us.
[Cuomo:] Let's look at home quickly here.
[Dolan:] OK.
[Cuomo:] When you talk about trends, you're seeing what's happening in the courts with same-sex marriage. The church's position is clear about what marriage under your rules. The pope said something interesting, that he would evaluate or consider evaluating civil unions. This has been something that you have taken a lead on very often. Where does it stand with the church as you see the trend here under the law?
[Dolan:] Well, we're not going to give up. Obviously, we don't take our cues from what's happening politically and legally. We take our cues from divine revelation, from the Bible, and from what we believe is planted within the human heart. So, we're going to continue
[Cuomo:] Even with the young Catholics saying that
[Dolan:] Nor do we take our cues from the opinion polls because we know that a good number of a good chunk of the United States and even a good number of our own people don't agree with us. But we keep we feel we have got to be courageous in proclaiming the truth about marriage and we will do that. I'm not familiar with what the Holy Father said. I know all of us wonder if there is a type of relationship where certain civil rights could be respected that would not rise to a redefinition of marriage. And that's, of course, what you call the civil partnerships. Thoughtful people would disagree with that. I, though, I wonder if we as a church could ever though even give a nod to something that we feel and believe with all our heart and soul is not consonant with what God has taught us. That would be a tough thing for us as Catholics to do. But they are two questions, two different questions, and I think thoughtful people are pondering them.
[Cuomo:] As you referenced the pope, you know, he has been big very expansive in terms about Catholicism. I know you love it that he's like let's not focus so much on what's wrong and the rules, let's focus on the love. He is coming to the United States.
[Dolan:] You bet he is.
[Cuomo:] It's going to be tremendous. It's going to be a big responsibility for you, one that you take very joyously I assume. September he'll be here probably before he goes to Philadelphia.
[Dolan:] You're right, Chris. We are told, and, again, this is broad outlines. The Holy See will announce it three months before he would come. We're told that probably he'll get here the evening of Thursday, September 24th. Please, God, he'll visit the cathedral. We know he wants to go to the United Nations. He's told me he would love to visit with an interreligious community somewhere and he's talking about everywhere to tap into the rich diversity that we've got here in the United States religions in a uniquely exemplary way show the amity and harmony that religions should have. So, he wants to do that. I know he wants to visit one of our inner city Catholic schools, he wants to visit one of our Catholic charity sites. Somewhere during the day, he's going to offer mass somewhere. So, it's going to be good. Then he'll go to Philadelphia for the World Meeting of Family on Saturday and Sunday.
[Cuomo:] Word on the street is, big fan of CNN, knows that CNN during the conclave was the only media outlet to really focus on then Bergoglio as the pope. That's the word on the street. You know, he's very big into CNN. Really wants to take on issues here for the Catholic Church, would love to do it in the media setting. That's what I hear
[Dolan:] I haven't heard that. I appreciate it. Could you give me a memo on that?
[Cuomo:] I heard he wants it to be with a Catholic, an ethnic Catholic would be preferred.
[Dolan:] Rich ethnic diversity.
[Cuomo:] That's it. Over six feet tall.
[Dolan:] Don't we have an Irish journalist?
[Cuomo:] I don't know, six feet tall may be tough. Cardinal Dolan, thank you so much.
[Dolan:] Way to go. Always a joy to be with you.
[Cuomo:] A pleasure to have you here, talking about what matters.
[Dolan:] Thanks for asking.
[Cuomo:] Alisyn, I tried.
[Camerota:] The cardinal seems strangely skeptical of your version.
[Cuomo:] Longer time for me in confession this week.
[Camerota:] I suggest that. Excellent. Also coming up, we're going to be taking a closer look at that controversy around Hillary Clinton's e-mails. Did she violate federal law? How could this impact her plans for 2016?
[Pereira:] Also, it kind of is hard to believe it's been almost one year since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared. A search is still underway to find that aircraft. What are the chances the plane will ever be found? New details ahead.

[Quest:] In an aircraft hangar just outside Dallas, the former governor of Texas, Rick Perry, announced that he's running for the presidency of the United States. Governor Perry boasted that, in his words, on day one of his presidency he'd allow U.S. oil drillers to export their crude into the global market. The industry titan, T. Boone Pickens, says he's not supporting Governor Perry for president. He's going for Jeb Bush. But he agrees with Perry on this point. Life's been very difficult for the U.S. energy industry ever since the price of oil started falling in the middle of last year. I sat down with Mr. Pickens earlier and started our conversation. I asked him if he thinks Middle East producers are attempting to push the American frackers out of business.
[Pickens:] I don't think they were trying to push us out of business. I think they were trying to get us to slow down. No question they didn't like the things that were happening in the oil industry because they've been stable. They had been able to control by adjusting up or down. And they just said not this time. You do it. They switched the swing producer from the Saudis to us, the United States. And the reason they did that is because our production went up a million barrels a day per year for five years. We went from 4 million barrels to 9.4 million. We're the ones, the United States are the ones that oversupplied the market. We can't do it like the Saudis can. I mean, the king says shut it slow it down or increase or whatever. The United States is a free market and we nobody says shut down in the United States. So what shuts it down? Very simply are the economics.
[Quest:] And that's the biggest difference between the U.S. being the swing producer and the Saudis being the swing producer. One does it by political fiat; the other does it by economics.
[Pickens:] That's exactly right. That's exactly what you have. Now, is it wrong? Is it right? It's what it is. I mean, that's the only real asset the Saudis have.
[Quest:] I've been in North Dakota for the last couple of weeks.
[Pickens:] What did you see there?
[Quest:] I saw an industry that has reformed, restructured and become more efficient at lower prices. And I'm assuming it's the same in Texas. Is it better for an industry to be stable and steady than
[Pickens:] You would like to be stable. I mean, any industry would. Like we say, everybody making money, you know, good jobs, everything, that's a perfect industry. And but we oversupplied it and then we saw the price fall and that hurts.
[Quest:] OPEC is meeting tomorrow. OPEC meets tomorrow and will decide there will be no change in production.
[Pickens:] I don't think so. If I if you said you have to that you have to take either produce more or less, you can't say it'll be flat. I say it'll be flat. But now you've forced me to say if they do anything up or down, they'll go down, not up.
[Quest:] You still enjoy oil?
[Pickens:] Sure, I do. That's all I know is oil and gas. I mean, I'm kind of a lightweight on everything else. I worked for a major oil company 3.5 years. Then I left and I drilled my first well six months later. That was in 1955.
[Quest:] And you've never looked back.
[Pickens:] No. You know what Satchel Paige said, "Don't look back, they may be gaining on you."
[Quest:] A motto and model by which we can all live our lives. All this week, we've been taking you to the battlegrounds of this oil showdown. On the eve of the OPEC meeting in Vienna, the signs are that the policy won't change. And as we've shown you that has major implications across the globe. We've been to North Dakota, to Williston, North Dakota, where the boom may be over, the frackers are adapting but the industry is still growing. We've also taken you to Fujairah in the UAE, where producers keep pumping oil to drive down the prices or at least not at least to raise them by cutting production. And now as we move the map on, we take you to Malaysia, off the Malaysian coast, where China is paying to store crude in giant oil tankers, waiting for the price to rise and protecting themselves against any dislocation. CNN's Andrew Stevens reports.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] The price of oil may have recovered a little bit in the last few weeks but nowhere near enough to stop the pain for the big producers like Saudi Arabia or for the fracking industry in the U.S. But there is one clear country whether here: China. And China is buying big. It doesn't get any bigger than this. This is the world biggest supertanker, the TI Europe, now at anchor in the Strait of Malacca, brimming with millions of barrels of oil destined for China. Beneath these gleaming white decks about 1.5 meters or so under my feet is 3 million barrels of oil spread across 21 tanks. The latest shipment arrived just three weeks ago, 950,000 barrels of Algerian oil. But the oil is coming from just about everywhere, especially from China's biggest supplier, Saudi Arabia, which see Beijing as a key client after using some of the U.S. market to frackers. China has now overtaken the U.S. to become the world's biggest oil importer, a first for the world's second biggest economy. Demand is so high there's not enough space to store it in the country. So the TI Europe and other vessels nearby are being turned into floating storage tanks placed between the Gulf of Africa and China. This insatiable demand, say analysts, is being led by a strategic imperative, to build up the country's oil reserves.
[Richard Matthews, Research Analyst:] Most developed country have around 90 days' stock. So if they couldn't import any more crude oil, they have 90 days' worth of supply to keep themselves going. China doesn't have anywhere near that level at the moment. So it's developing its own reserves.
[Stevens:] Coming up strategic reserves are critical for this energy hungry nation but it's not the only driver of China's oil demand. Even as GDP slows to 7.5 percent or even less, the new normal, as it's now called, it's still consuming a steady 10 million barrels a day helped in part by a new love affair with gas-guzzling SUVs, lower gas prices has seen sales across the country soar by a whopping 48 percent in the first three months of this year. And the good news for these drivers and for the Chinese government, some analysts say there's little sign of oil prices going anywhere but back down.
[Jeff Brown, President, Facts Global Energy:] We actually think the market's way oversupplied right now. We think it could drop below 50. It's obviously been going in the other direction. But when we look at the length of the market and how much oil is just out there and is going and the inventories are going to continue to build, it just doesn't look sustainable to us.
[Stevens:] And that makes ships like these at a cost of $40,000 a day an attractive option. For a cashed out China a rare chance to stock up cheaply on the very lifeblood of its economic might Andrew Stevens, CNN, Malacca, Malaysia.
[Quest:] Now that's what you call a big ship. In a moment, technology that watches you and watches what you watch. The life-changing potential of the eye tracker as we have "Make, Create, Innovate" next.

[Berman:] After months and months of debate and speculation, not to mention the tension, we finally know which four teams will play in the first ever college football playoffs.
[Romans:] Laura Rutledge shows us who is in and who is out in this morning's "Bleacher Report".
[Laura Rutledge, Bleacher Report:] Good morning, John and Christine. Yes, six teams definitely worthy, but only four could be invited. So, let the second guessing begin. Top seed Alabama will play number four Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl on New Year's Day. And then the other semifinal, number two Oregon takes on the defending national champion number three Florida State in the Rose Bowl. The winners of those games meet in the national title game on January 12th in Arlington, Texas. And the co-champion of the Big 12, Baylor and TCU, left out of the selection committee. Much to their dismay. All right. With home-field advantage in the NFL playoffs on the line, Tom Brady and the New England Patriots came up big on Sunday night. But it wasn't easy. They had to rally from an 11-point deficit, scoring the game's final 20 points. Brady, 69-yards touchdown pass to Julian Edelman in the fourth quarter sealed the deal in New England's 23-14 win. Emotions ran high in the game between the Panthers and Saints after Cam Newton broke out his superman celebration after a short TD. Pushing and shoving led to a huge fight behind the end zone. Surprisingly, only ne player ejected. The Panthers went on to win in a blowout, 41-10. Whoo! Vikings and Jets go to overtime. But Minnesota didn't want to disappoint the home crowds. Jarius Wright off to the races, an 87- yard reception from Teddy Bridgewater. That is the second longest overtime passing touchdown in NFL history. And this Viking Everson Griffen had something to say about it.
[Everson Griffen, Viking:] You look at the play right there. Teddy back. He drops to Wright. There you go. Whoo!
[Rutledge:] John, I'm wondering if that was your reaction after the Patriots win last night. Maybe?
[Berman:] That is my reaction when I see Tom Brady. I can see a picture of Tom Brady and that's my reaction.
[Romans:] That's his reaction when he found out he is guest host for the two hours, Brady is going to be here.
[Berman:] Tom Brady is coming tomorrow on the show. I don't know if we can do that. Laura, thanks so much.
[Romans:] All right. Thanks, Laura Rutledge, for that. All right. Twenty-five minutes past the hour. Protesters in Berkeley facing off with police overnight. Riots even breaking out and we're told this is still happening at this hour. We got that for you after the break.

[Blitzer:] We heard President Obama just a few moments ago, setting up his economic agenda for what he is now calling his year of action, this year, 2014. Let's discuss what we just heard from the president and more with Newt Gingrich. He's one of the hosts of CNN's "Crossfire." Mr. Speaker, thank you very much for coming in. Let's talk a little bit about this year of action. What do you make of the president's new proposals that he just outlined to create jobs, create new businesses, to make sure the United States remains at the top, the cutting edge of new technology?
[Newt Gingrich, Co-host, Crossfire & Former Speaker Of The House:] Well, look, I think the general idea is right. The rhetoric is right. The particular hubs he is setting up may actually have a positive impact. But the fact is that the amount of red tape, the amount of regulations, the amount of taxation that are hitting small businesses has really dramatically changed the rate at which we're creating new jobs. And I think until we have a small business liberation act and people understand how much all of this bureaucracy is crippling small business, Obamacare is a piece of it. But there are layer upon layer from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Department of Labor, go down the list. And I just talked to an expert this morning who pointed out that we used to have 100,000 new small businesses annually that survived. We have created about 500,000, about 400,000 would disappear. We now actually have a net loss of small businesses, about 100,000 a year. That's very worrisome about the future of job creation. Unfortunately, from the president's side, he believes in bureaucracy, he believes in red tape, and he believes in higher taxes. All of those kill job creation at the small-business level. And that's a real problem for America.
[Blitzer:] He also made it clear that he believes, though, in extending the unemployment benefits for 1.3 million Americans right now, Americans who have maybe another two or three million kids or other dependents who rely on this money. It would cost, what, about $5 or $6 billion to extend those benefits for three months, $25 billion for the year. What's wrong with that, during these tough economic times, to help these folks, all of whom used to work, they paid into the system, and they paid into that into those unemployment benefit insurance programs that supposedly would help them during these emergencies?
[Gingrich:] Well, no, look, there is nothing wrong, as a general principle, if you just add in two pieces. I think any extended unemployment compensation ought to come attached with a learning apprenticeship, online education component. If people can't find a job in the initial 26 weeks, then anything beyond 26 weeks, they certainly should be signed up for job training to have new and better skills. I hope the Republicans in the House and Senate will insist on attaching a job training component. That turns it into the largest labor training program in the U.S. That's a good thing. Second, there's no reason that we can't find offsets. Senator Ayotte of New Hampshire had a perfectly intelligent offset that both paid for the unemployment compensation and paid for restoring military pensions. And all it did was require that we eliminate people who are frauds, who are illegal, from getting certain benefits by simply requiring them to identify who they are. Why the Senate Democrats object to us stopping crooks from taking money from the American people is beyond me. You literally would save enough to both restore the military pension, which should be done, and to pay for the unemployment compensation. She had a very good amendment. They ought to Harry Reid ought to make it an order. I think it will pass and I think it meets all of the core standards, those two things. Pay for it and turn it into a training program for workers. I would totally and enthusiastically endorse.
[Blitzer:] Let me get to your quick thought on Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey. You believe him?
[Gingrich:] Yeah, sure, I'm inclined to believe him. He's a smart guy. Look, if another shoe drops and turns out he knew this, then I think he's toast. But if, in fact, he had some overzealous staff who did a stupid thing he has been a lot tougher than Barack Obama. Let's be clear here. Chris Christie fired several people who are very, very close to him. Despite Obamacare, despite Benghazi, despite all these other things, not a single person in the White House has suffered anything for having failed the people of the United States. This is a huge contrast between Chris Christie's toughness with his own people and the president's unwillingness to discipline people when there are grotesque failures. And I would suggest the Obamacare website and the Benghazi disaster are both much bigger than the bridge problem in New Jersey. And yet, neither has led to the kind of cleaning house that should have occurred.
[Blitzer:] You ran for the Republican presidential nomination. By all accounts, Chris Christie would like to do the same thing you did. What does he need to do to fix this situation
[Gingrich:] I think Chris Christie wants to do more like Mitt Romney and win the nomination, which I didn't get to do, as you know, Wolf. Look, I think he has to focus and realize, as Jake Tapper said, and I think very wisely yesterday, this is an endurance contest. This is not going to go away in a week. It will eventually go away. It will be embarrassing. But he's got a long year to heal things up. He's got a great position as head of the Republican governors. His job is to run New Jersey really well, and to go out and help elect Republican governors around the country. He certainly will be one of the key contenders. Barring something new coming out that we don't know about right now, Chris Christie will be one of four or five leading contenders. I think we're going to have several more governors, Scott Walker, John Kasich, Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, at least two U.S. Senators in Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. It will be a lively race. But there is no reason Christie at this moment should be counted out. He's a serious person and has a pretty powerful, compelling story to tell.
[Blitzer:] What about Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor?
[Gingrich:] Well, if Jeb wants to run, Jeb is automatically a formidable national figure. He is one of the most creative figures in the last 30 years. I really admire him. I think he is the best politician in the Bush family. Although George P., his son, may come along pretty rapidly and rival that. But Jeb is a great talent. If he decides he wants to win the race, he would add an enormous amount. That would expand my point, a bunch of very effective Republicans running. Meanwhile, the Democrats have this challenge, they have an overwhelming front runner for whom there is no enthusiasm. And I think it will be interesting to see how Secretary Clinton overcomes that dilemma that she has been around since she was a field person in 1972. Pretty tricky in this day and age to be on the scene 42 years and be a new face.
[Blitzer:] Why do you say there is no enthusiasm? I've seen a lot of enthusiasm among Democrats for Hillary Clinton.
[Gingrich:] Well, I was just reporting on, for example, an article out of Iowa yesterday in which everybody, they the activists they talked and said, well, I could be for Hillary, but I'm not all that excited about it.
[Blitzer:] There may be some like that. That was Peter Hamby, excellent article on CNN.com. But I can assure you, there's plenty of enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton, among Democrats. And the notion that she could possibly be the first woman elected president of the United States, that would be a pretty enthusiastic message out there for a lot of her supporters out there. But that's just me. We're going to see you in "Crossfire" later today, right?
[Gingrich:] Right. I look forward to any chance to chat with you and exchange views.
[Blitzer:] We will do that. 6:30 p.m. eastern, right after "The Situation Room," Newt Gingrich will be on "Crossfire." Thanks very much. Still ahead, your Internet provider may start charging more for popular services such as Netflix, iTunes, or block them out completely. What is going on? We're going to explain when we come back.

[Camerota:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Now to the latest in the fight against Ebola, the Centers for Disease Control now stepping up containment efforts saying every airline passenger who arrives in the U.S. from one of the three hardest-hit West African countries will be monitored by state and local health officials for 21 days. And an encouraging update to tell you about, Dallas Nurse Amber Vinson's family says she is now Ebola free, but Atlanta's Emory University Hospital has not officially confirmed that. Let's get to our senior medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen. She joins us live with the latest. Elizabeth, what is the latest?
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Alisyn, good morning. The Vinson family says that they can't detect Ebola in Amber Vinson's blood and they say that she's been approved to move out of isolation and that she is regaining her strength. Also good news for Ashoka Mukpo, he is the NBC cameraman who also had Ebola is also Ebola free. He's been discharged from the hospital and he also went on "NBC Nightly News" and said that having this disease allowed him to better connect with the people he was covering.
[Ashoka Mukpo, Nbc Freelance Cameraman:] You know your life is hanging by a thread. It makes me remember a lot of these people that I filmed, a lot of these people that I talked to, and to kind of connect with the kind of fear that they must have felt, and you know, there's almost no words for that.
[Cohen:] Now travelers coming back from Ebola-affected countries to the U.S. will get much more screening than I had when I came back from Liberia last month. They will be given thermometers, told to take their temperature twice a day for 21 days and given a list of symptoms to watch out for Alisyn.
[Camerota:] That seems like progress, to monitor them for 21 days so we don't see a repeat of what happened in Dallas. Elizabeth, thank you.
[Cohen:] Thanks.
[Camerota:] Well, Canada's prime minister declaring the country will not be intimidated by terrorism. Less than 24 hours after the brazen parliament shooting spree, what do we know about that gunman? We will go back to Chris in Canada and he'll be joined by a senator who was at parliament when this attack happened.

[Janice Dickinson, Cosby Accuser:] I was only thinking of stuffing it inside an area so deep in my subconscious that it is now coming up and I'm sober today through the grace of god and I have crystal clear memories of this entire incident.
[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn:] Sexual assault accusations against Bill Cosby have been around for years. But sporadic media coverage has meant maybe people didn't know as much about it as they certainly know now after 17 women have come forward. CNN's Jean Casarez looks at how journalist may have failed to cover the scandal over the past decade.
[Jean Casarez Cnn Correspondent:] For years, their stories have been out there.
[Barbara Bowman, Cosby Accuser:] I didn't really talk about it much, because nobody was believing it.
[Beth Ferrier, Cosby Accuser:] People did not want to believe our story.
[Jewel Allison, Cosby Accuser:] I finally said, I can't live in fear for the rest of my life.
[Casarez:] But it is only been in the last month that the stories and the graphic detail have gained traction. Cosby's attorneys have denied these allegations.
[Joan Tarshis, Cosby Accuser:] The next thing I remember is being on his couch with him taking my clothes off.
[Therese Serignese, Cosby Accuser:] My next memory is feeling drugged and him having sex with me.
[Casarez:] What took so long, turns out the accusers may not have been the only ones reluctant to tell the stories. Mark Whitaker, who used to work for CNN in his 2014 authorized biography of Bill Cosby, doesn't touch the topic. And Whitaker didn't bring it up in a recent appearance right here on CNN tonight just weeks before the scandal [inaudible] wide open.
[Mark Whitaker, Cosby Biographer:] He has been a pioneer in so many areas. I knew that the Cosby Show is so big that people forget, you know, all the other ways in which he, you know, advance entertainment. And then an African-American man becomes the most successful advertising pitchman in the country.
[Casarez:] Bob Huber, former writer for Philadelphia Magazine, is outraged that Whitaker left it out.
[Bob Huber, Former Writer, Philadelphia Magazine:] Frankly, I think it's unconscionable. These allegations have been out there for almost a decade.
[Casarez:] Huber admits in his 2006 profile of Cosby, he didn't question the star about the accusations. He blames not being able to get close enough to Cosby to ask him.
[Unidentified Male:] You were writing about this, you were doing this big profile. You got invited to spend some time with Cosby, right, but you weren't allowed to ask him questions?
[Huber:] Right.
[Casarez:] New York Times columnist, David Carr put Whitaker's omission front and center in his column for the Times last week. Those in the no included Mark Whitaker who did not find room in his almost 500-page biography to address the accusations that Mr. Cosby had assaulted numerous women. Whitaker then responded to the omission for the first time by twitting this, "David, you are right. I was wrong not to deal with the sexual assault charges against Cosby and pursue them more aggressively." Carr also calls himself an enabler of the alleged mistruths when it comes to Cosby. And those in the no also included me. CNN has obtained a sworn deposition Bill Cosby gave in 2005 as part of an ongoing civil suit brought by former Temple University employee Andrea Constand. That suit ultimately was settled but in this deposition Cosby says that a media outlet suppressed another woman's story at his request. Cosby was asked, what is your understanding of the agreement that you have with the National Enquirer concerning your exclusive interview? I would give them an exclusive story my words. What would they give you in return? They would not print the story of print Beth's story. Accuser Beth Ferrier says her story was dropped from publication in the magazine after Cosby issued his one and only interview on the Constand and Tamara Green accusations, while not commenting on Ferrier's story American media who publishes the National Enquirer tells CNN, "The National Enquirer, more than any other publication, was unflinching in our aggressive coverage of allegations against Mr. Cosby beginning in 2000 when everyone else avoided the story." E- mails and calls to Cosby's attorney, Marty Singer, for the story have not been returned. Jean Casarez, CNN New York.
[Banfield:] And one, know as well on that story that while Mark Whitaker didn't bring up the Cosby allegations when he appeared on CNN before the scandal broke, he also was not asked by CNN about those accusations either. And of course, another big reason why the Bill Cosby scandal hasn't been at the forefront may be the pressure is on these alleged victims to remain silent, whatever the pressures are. This morning on CNN's New Day, Jewel Allison explains why it was difficult for her to come forward because she didn't want to take down a man that has meant so much to the black community.
[Allison:] For me, being a woman of color, the pain is perhaps magnified because part of my not wanting to come out and say anything was, "Oh my God, I don't want to destroy the positive images that were created in such a wonderful way on television for black people."
[Banfield:] So, Miss Allison is among 17 who have now claimed that Bill Cosby sexually assaulted them. And the question looming over the scandal is whether Bill Cosby will do anything about it. Will he fight the allegations that are being made against him? He is barely saying a word otherwise. And joining me to talk about Cosby's legal options is CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin. Why wouldn't Bill Cosby sue all 17 for defamation if he's innocent?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Yeah. I'm asking the question a lot of people have been asking, but to show defamation, approved defamation, you have to prove that the allegations are false. So truth is on your side. The question is what is the truth? Are all 17 women defaming him? Are all of them lying about him? And that's a pretty big hurdle. I got to tell you, you know, when you have a defamation case with one voice, a soloist, that's one thing, when you have a defamation case with a choir, with a chorus of voices, that's another thing. So I suspect that is why we're not hearing from Bill Cosby. But I along with others have said, if these allegations are false, as your attorney has alluded then sue...
[Banfield:] Do something.
[Hostin:] ... for defamation.
[Banfield:] Do something about it.
[Hostin:] Because no answer, because he's been so very...
[Banfield:] Yeah.
[Hostin:] ... silent, Ashley, no answer kind of it as answer.
[Banfield:] What about the notion that Janice Dickinson now says she is livid that she's being called a liar, could she then turn around and sue Bill Cosby's representatives on behalf of Bill Cosby calling her a liar because she said she is suffering in the public and she's a public figure. And if she loses any money over this, that's classic defamation.
[Hostin:] Yeah. She certainly could. And I do want to mention that when you have a public figure, the standard is a little bit higher, so you have to prove actual malice, you have to prove that you knew it wasn't true. And yet, you know, with malice, you said it anyway. And so, Bill Cosby, if he sued the women for defamation, has a pretty high standard, because he's a public person. And if Janice Dickinson wanted to sue Bill Cosby, her standard would be a little bit higher as well.
[Banfield:] Higher as well. But if Bill Cosby wanted to sue the other 16 who were not public figures and it doesn't count that they're public figures now because this is the event.
[Hostin:] Well, he's the public figure.
[Banfield:] It would relatively easier for him.
[Hostin:] No, not really. I think he's...
[Banfield:] Because he doesn't have to prove malice on their part...
[Hostin:] He's the public figure.
[Banfield:] They're not public figures.
[Hostin:] Well, no, he does he would have to prove. The malice is about the public person. So if you're the public person and you've been defamed, Ashley, then you are the person that has sort of the actual malice standard. Remember, he would be bringing the suit. So it wouldn't be easy. But again, everyone is saying, if all of these women are not being truthful which I've got to tell you again that, you know, in my experience, women telling pretty much the same story over and over and over again have nothing to gain...
[Banfield:] If you had it backwards, I think...
[Hostin:] ... some kind of change.
[Banfield:] ... if the women wanted to sue him for any kind of defamation since they're not public figures, they'd have an easier case against them.
[Hostin:] That's right.
[Banfield:] Yeah.
[Hostin:] That's right.
[Banfield:] Well, we'll watch to see if any of that happens because why be silent if you're innocent.
[Hostin:] Right.
[Banfield:] Why not taking on, you know...
[Hostin:] Ask the question.
[Banfield:] ... [inaudible], right? All right. Sunny Hostin, thank you for that, appreciate it. Another grand jury is now being closely watched, and this time it is in New York. Eric Garner died after police officers put him in a chokehold without the details of the case. And here's something else, there's video which might make a big difference in this incident.

[John Berman, Cnn Co-anchor:] Hello, everyone. I'm John Berman.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Co-anchor:] And I'm Michaela Pereira.
[Berman:] We have major new developments in the search for the victims and wreckage from AirAsia Flight 8501. Search crews are focusing on an area of roughly 2,000 square miles. That's roughly the size of Delaware. A top Indonesian official says it's the most probable area in the Java Sea where the plane's fuselage might be. Now, they have recovered more of the plane's wreckage, including what appears to be a window panel. This photo was posted online by the defense minister of Singapore.
[Pereira:] And of the 162 people on that plane, officials say 30 bodies have now been pulled from the sea, four of them have been identified so far. One victim has already been laid to rest. In terms of the search, bad weather is proving once again seeming to be the biggest obstacle in the search. I want to turn to Andrew Stevens in Surabaya, Indonesia, where the flight originated and where many, many of those families were from and where they are gathered awaiting news. Andrew, can you update us? I know it's obviously nightfall there, but what is the latest on the search-and-rescue effort where it stands now.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, on the search, Michaela, there is still bad weather across the search zone and that bad weather is expected to continue over the next couple days, so the frustrations are enormous. But, as you point out, they've narrowed the probable location zone, they call it, down that 2,000 square miles. That's still a fair chunk of territory, but they're now moving into an underwater-search stage, basically because the weather is so bad that visibility is minimal, and they're not just getting anywhere with their visibility aerial checks. So they've got ships on station there. They've got sophisticated listening devices. They've got sonar there. More are coming. And the plan is really is to now grid that area, looking for this fuselage. This is the key to the whole mystery, if you like. There's a large piece of fuselage, they think, with still many bodies inside, which also, they hope, contains the black boxes, the voice recorder, the data recorder. That's what they're looking for and, of course, still looking for bodies.
[Berman:] Along those lines, Andrew, what's the latest in the victim identification process?
[Stevens:] Well, four have been identified now, John. Thirty bodies have been recovered, including 12 from the USS Sampson which was on sight today. The bodies have most of the bodies have been brought back here. In fact, we've just come from outside the naval base at the international airport, very sad procession we saw there, too, ten ambulances leaving that naval base, coming down here to the police hospital for identification. But at this stage, there has only been four of the 30 bodies recovered and identified. That identification process will continue over the next few days around the clock as well. It's a painstaking process. They have to get it right. We don't know when the next i.d.s will be done, but it will be an ongoing process, obviously, over the next few days.
[Berman:] All right, Andrew Stevens for us in Surabaya, thanks so much. I want to bring in our aviation analyst here. Les Abend is with us. He's a commercial pilot. We also have our safety analyst and former FAA safety inspector David Soucie. He's written a new book "Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Why It Disappeared and Why It's Only a Matter of Time Before This Happens Again."
[Pereira:] David, we want to talk about this report we're getting from the local media in the region and it's very grim, obviously that there were three bodies located found floating with their seat belts on in a row. We have not been able to independently confirm that here at CNN. If this turns out to be true, what does that tell you about what happened as the plane crashed.
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] It's really not definitive because of the fact that whether it broke up in the air or whether it broke up on the CNN, which is what we're trying to determine at this point, it's would be the same. They would still be in the seats; they would still have seatbelts on. There's some other evidence that we won't talk about that's a little too gruesome here on television, but hopefully it will tell them one thing, which is the if it hit the water and broke up in a forward rate of speed, you'd be able to tell that by the damages that the seat belt does to the body. If it was downed at a straight angle like this, which would indicate a flat spin or stall, deep stall, like Flight 447 that there are different types of injuries that you would see on those bodies, mostly internal type things as well. So there's some information that can be gained by the investigators on scene. It's nothing we'll get information about out here. That's what they'd be able to fell from.
[Berman:] It so, Les among these same reports that people were found strapped in their seats, there are also reports saying they're seeing images of the tail underwater. We haven't been able to confirm this, but if the tail separated from the rest of the fuselage, is that something you would normally see or sometimes see in situations like this and why would that happen? What does that indicate?
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, it indicates like Dave has been saying, did it break up in flight or impact? That will define how it impacted and the fact that it may have been is it inverted? Right side up? That answers questions in the kind of water and the depths they're talking about.
[Pereira:] These kind of searches are so painstaking and then you add the challenges of where they're searching. The weather has been impeding efforts, obviously. But we know that now there's 30 bodies that have been recovered, David. It sort of feels as though that was a big jump in terms of recovery over the last few days, even progress is being made. That's what it feels like from our end. Does that seem appropriate to you?
[Soucie:] It absolutely does because now we've got clues. Once the bodies are identified, it's going to be an enormous jump in the investigation because of the fact that they can place those bodies within a virtual model of the aircraft.
[Berman:] A seating chart.
[Soucie:] Exactly. And so then they'll know when the bodies came from. That will give them a lot of clues for the underwater search, because if they all came from the same area then you could say that's kind of where it broke up. They may be able, as I mentioned before, from the bodies be able to determine if they broke up in the air. If they did, the search will grow significantly because, like with MH-370, it was about six or seven miles across.
[Berman:] That hadn't occurred to me. You can actually put together a seating chart, and once you put together a seating chart, you can backtrack and see perhaps where the different parts of the plane ended up. Back to the tail for a second, aren't in A-320 aren't the black boxes in the tail?
[Abend:] I think there is one of them that's in the tail and one is a little bit further forward, so that would be good news if indeed they found the tail. Now they can begin the process of recovering data from the cockpit voice recorder and the digital flight-data recorder.
[Berman:] Because that's what, in terms of the investigation, these are the holy grails in terms of the search. They want to get their hands on those. They'll find out all the information they want. And, of course, as of now, we don't have any sense that they're actually hearing any pings.
[Soucie:] No indication of that at all at this point, no.
[Abend:] It was indicated by David Gallo that there's a lot of shipping traffic so a lot of noise for those devices.
[Pereira:] And towed ping locators, as we mentioned for those of you that are sort of new to this, we've learned a lot, certainly with MH- 370. You've both taught us a lot. So they have the side-scan sonars. They also have these towed ping locators, and it's important to talk about the acoustics of the ocean. It may not be very deep, only 100 feet. Comparatively to some other portions of the ocean, this is fairly shallow. But there's still acoustic noise there that could be affecting search efforts.
[Soucie:] And the reason it was so sensitive to acoustic noise during the 370 search is because of the fact that we were kind of using it for what it's not to be designed for. It's not really designed to locate the aircraft. It's designed to locate the box within the aircraft after it's under the water. So it's more of a proximate using the hydro phones to find it locally because it can be under silt, it can be under the aircraft. It's really difficult to find. It's not like it's sitting there on a shelf somewhere. So that's the part that underwater locator beacon, if it's functioning normally, is used for proximate location, not for generalized search, necessarily.
[Berman:] Les, there's one other area. We talked about this morning. There were reports that there was a two-minute gap between when the captain or the copilot we don't know who asked but asked to increase their altitude, to fly up from 32,000 feet to 34,000 or 36,000 feet, maybe even higher. There was a two-minute gap between when they asked permission and when air traffic control ultimately responded. Most of us aren't pilots, so we don't know. Is two minutes a long time to wait for an answer?
[Abend:] It really isn't. When you make a request, you understand, depending upon what sector you're in in the United States, these controllers are busy with other airplanes going opposite directions, crossing your route perhaps. So they're and they're talking to other controllers in other sectors. So two minutes isn't an incredibly long time for that kind of request. I don't know what the circumstance is. Apparently that corridor is like a red eye across the United States is for us. So I wouldn't find that very unusual at all.
[Pereira:] Les, David, we'll ask you to stick around, because ahead, we know there's several theories about how the flight ended up in the water or hit the water. One Indonesian official believes the pilot could have perhaps landed on the surface kind of like Sully Sullenberger-style on the Hudson. We're going to examine that possibility ahead @
[Thishour. Berman:] And then, what a life. We're going to take a look at the life and legacy of former New York governor Mario Cuomo who passed away at 82.
[Pereira:] And we're going to give you a story of race and redemption. See this beautiful woman? Well, almost 60 years after being cut from the Rose Parade because she's African-American, Joan Williams led the annual parade. We're going to talk to her about this significance of this, especially now when we're having this discussion about race in America.

[Malveaux:] The fight for girl's education around the world is intensifying, and CNN is playing a part in bringing you the issues. All this week, we have been airing stories of extraordinary girls and the power of education to change the world. It's ahead of our big CNN premiere of the film, "GIRL RISING." My next guest is a leader in that fight for girls. Of course, you remember him as the leader of Great Britain, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, joining us from Edinburgh, Scotland. Sir, very good to see you here. We're going to cover a number of things, but of course, one of the things is...
[Gordon Brown, Former British Prime Minister:] Great to talk to you. Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] Great to see you. Your passion here for girl's education, you call it one of the great human rights issues of our time, and you work as a U.N. special envoy for global education. Why is this something you believe is a human right and one of the greatest human rights at this time?
[Brown:] This is the great civil right struggle of our generation. It is girls discriminated against, prevented from realizing their potential, 30 million girls not able to go to school, girls like Malala Yousufzai, the Pakistan girl who was shot, having to fight every inch of the way even to get a chance to go to school. And that's why we're under obligation to ensure that, if, as we believe, education breaks the cycle of poverty, we make sure that every girl in the world has that right to go to school.
[Malveaux:] What do you think is the biggest obstacle in your work as you travel the world for these girls in getting an education?
[Brown:] There's discrimination. In some countries, girls are simply not allowed to go to school. There's child labor. Fifteen million children are working when they should be at school. There are girl brides. Ten million girls are married every year, 12, 13, 14, when they should be at school. There's trafficking, as you know, but there's also a lack of teachers and a lack of school buildings and a lack of educational materials. And there are many countries that could actually invest in education that I want to persuade them to do so and end a situation where for years upon years upon years we will still have millions of children, particularly girls, denied the chance of education. And what I'd like to see is a plan over these next three years until 2015 to get every girl to school.
[Malveaux:] And when you go to those leaders, when you talk to people and you make that case, do you have a receptive audience? Are you talking to people who say, you know what? I do see the value here, whether it's economic, whether it's political or whether it's just good sense and human rights?
[Brown:] Yeah, when Malala was shot in Pakistan, there was a revulsion and people realized that they had been silent when, of course, the case for girls' education is unanswerable. And there's no leader in the world that is trying to prevent girls going to school, but they are not doing enough to stop other people like the Taliban stopping girls going to school. So we need them to make education for girls a priority. We need to invest in building schools. It only costs $100 a year to educate a girl in Africa. We need to train the teachers, of course. We need to build the schools. We need to provide the education materials. And there needs to be a global effort because this is also a security issue. If we do not educate young girls and boys, then they will be prey to people exploiting the fact that they have been denied opportunity.
[Malveaux:] Sure. As a former prime minister, we don't normally have the opportunity to talk to someone in your stature here. I have to ask you about things that are going on in the news. Of course, it looks like Syria blowing up with this civil war. It was just the White House yesterday saying that the Syrian government has crossed a red line by using chemical weapons. The U.S. could now arm rebels. What do you think of that as appropriate action? Do you think that would be appropriate? Is that necessary at this time?
[Brown:] Well, I think that it is undoubtedly now true that the use of these chemical weapons is actually happening in Syria. If I may say so, without going into the details of what should happen next, which has to be part of international negotiation and no doubt that will take part in next few days, particularly when the G-8 meets in Britain, we've got to look at the human tragedies here. And there are many lives being lost. There are many families being displaced. There are a huge number of refugees. There are children denied health care and denied education. This is a worldwide human tragedy, the effects of which are going to be felt for years to come. And that's one of the reasons why, if I bring this back to education, you need education without borders. We need to be able to give every child the guarantee that if they are in a conflict zone, if they're in a broken state, if they're in a fragile country that they, just as we guarantee health through Medecins Sans Frontieres and the Red Cross, we can guarantee that they will continue to be able to develop their potential and get education. So these human tragedies which can go on for years and affect generations, we've got to be better prepared to deal with the humanitarian consequences.
[Malveaux:] It looks like there seems to be a consensus that's being formed here when you have England, you have France, now the United States, potentially talking about arming rebels. Do you think that the rebels need more support in order to overturn Assad?
[Brown:] I think there's a number of options that have got to be considered and look to go into that in detail as the politicians will have to do when America, France, Britain and, of course, Russia is there at the G-8 next week. They'll have to look at a number of options. Creating a zone that which is free of conflict is one option that's been looked at. And, of course, the question of arms is another issue. But I would prefer myself to do what I'm doing to concentrate on, also, the humanitarian consequences and what we need to do as a world where the tragedies occur because they occur in the Middle East, they occur in Africa, they occur in parts of Asia. We've got to be better prepared in the future to deal with the human fallout when so many young lives, so many children, of course, so many families are just split asunder as a result of a conflict, and we appear to be powerless to deal with the humanitarian consequences. We should have learned the lessons from a long time ago about what to do in these situations.
[Malveaux:] All right, former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Make sure, of course, to tune in to our special presentation of "Girl Rising." It is this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific, here on CNN. And a toilet paper shortage in Venezuela? That's right. There's actually an app for that, seriously. We're coming up and we're going to show you how technology is helping folks in Venezuela cope with the shortage.

[Berman:] So much unknown in the search for flight 370. And a lot of you tweeting us questions.
[Pereira:] Our experts, Jeff Wise and Mary Schiavo, are back here to answer them. Mary, want to start with you. Before we get to those questions from our viewers, we know today that the news was that families were denied their request to hear the recordings from the cockpit to the air traffic control. They really wanted to hear those voices for themselves. They were denied that request. I want you to answer if that is standard operating procedure and investigation. And also I know that you feel that oftentimes the families can aid in recognizing voices on those recordings.
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst & Former Inspector General, U.s. Department Of Transportation:] That's right. It's not standard operating procedure. And, in fact, the United States, air traffic control tapes and correspondents are considered public record. They're released right away. In fact, you can apply the Freedom of Information Act and get them. It's the cockpit voice recording that the actual voices are protected. And it takes a court order to use those in court. But the transcript on the CDR only is released. And yes, it's very important for people to listen. There are experts that make their living by interpreting what's on those tapes. Many times, the public can hear. And by the way, the pilot and co-pilot's family would be able to identify their voices so there wouldn't be any mystery.
[Berman:] Jeff, we'll turn now to questions we're getting from viewers. This is one a lot of people are asking. If the plane went down in the water, why didn't the ELT, saltwater emergency beacons, why did they not activate and signal the plane's position? This plane, we think, had at least two of them.
[Jeff Wise, Cnn Aviation Analyst & Former Pilot:] Well, you know, the problem is that in many, many cases, these things just don't work. And they should, but the fact that there is no evidence doesn't mean there is an absence of evidence. Or I should say an absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence. So they just often are unreliable. Might be as simple as that. It was broken.
[Pereira:] I think you want to take executive privilege
[Berman:] That is my executive privilege. You took executive, executive privilege.
[Pereira:] OK. I didn't know my executive usurped. Back to Twitter. Mary, a lot of people are wondering why not every resource was scam belled immediately. If you were asked, when the plane first turned around, why didn't they scramble a few jets? It was on military radar.
[Schiavo:] Well, people might be surprised to know after September 11, 2001, that pretty much every day some plane strays off course. People go astray. It's private planes, get lost, if you will. They put the wrong frequency in and people can't reach them. It happens all of the time. And we don't very rarely do we or other nations scramble jets, because most of the time it's just somebody literally lost in the hertz or messing up.
[Berman:] Well, scrambling jets is one thing, Jeff, but this seems to be one of the biggest missed opportunities in this whole mystery, which is why didn't Malaysia first act when they saw this actual radar blip tracking across their screen. Why didn't Thailand act when they saw this blip tracking across their screen? And then, of course, the whole question of Indonesia. We don't know what they saw or didn't see, because they're not telling anybody. But they certainly didn't take action if they did see something.
[Wise:] Right. No matter where the plane went, there are at least four countries that it traversed their military radar system. And it's not like these people aren't watching their radars. In 2012, an American flying a private plane, who was sort of bumbling about in Indonesia, he got intercepted by two Sucoy jets. So they do take their air space seriously. They are able to detect these things.
[Berman:] I've had people ask on Twitter, are the Malaysians embarrassed, Mary? Do you think they're hiding something because they're simply embarrassed they didn't react more quickly to these signs?
[Schiavo:] Oh, I think so. I think they're probably embarrassed. And they're concerned that the world may not think that they're on top of it or that they're vulnerable. And besides, now that we have all the discussion whether or not this is a criminal act, and we have no evidence that it is, but, you know, then the nations have to be wary of copy cats. And what and people who want to emulate and people might think, hmmm, that's an interesting plan. So the first the first event is, you know, an eye-opener, but the second event are people out there who want to do a me-too.
[Pereira:] Yeah. A me-too. Really quickly, Mary, we've talked about this, about compensation, families will receive. They wanted to know, one of the viewers wanted to know if the same rates would apply regardless of the deceased nationality. Does it depend, nation to nation?
[Schiavo:] Well, there are a lot of different variations on that rule. And sometimes it depends where the plane goes down. For example, in the United States, if it goes down in Virginia, they apply the law of Virginia. If it goes down in New York, they apply the law of the place of residence. Usually, on an international flight, it's where the person resided and sometimes where the plane crashed. And that's kind of the rule of thumb. So if one nation is generous and that's where they reside, they will have far more generous compensation. And it does depend on how much you make, who you support, you know, the circumstances of your family.
[Berman:] Mary Schiavo, Jeff Wise, thank for answer our questions as well as viewer questions. Always interesting to hear what people are asking.
[Pereira:] And thank you to you for participating in this conversation with us. Thank you for joining us also @ THIS HOUR. I'm Michaela Pereira. Have a great weekend.
[Berman:] I'm John Berman. "LEGAL VIEW" with Ashleigh Banfield starts now. Can we do the bump thing?
[Pereira:] Oh, I see how that is.

[Banfield:] Jurors in the so-called loud music murder trial. Really, that's what it's being called in headlines. We're just 30 minutes away from important things happening. They're called opening statements, and they set the tone for the trial. 47-year-old Michael Dunn is charged with first-degree murder for shooting an unarmed teenager at a gas station in a case a lot compare to Trayvon Martin killing. Dunn says he was trying to defend himself when he shot at the car filled with teenagers, telling police one of the teens pulled a gun after he asked them to turn down music. Big problem. No gun was found. CNN's Tory Dunnan is joining me live outside of the courthouse in Jacksonville. Tory, anybody, unless they're living under a rock, knows that during the Trayvon case, which was so pivotal around the question of race, the makeup of the jury was questioned every single day. Who was black, who was white, who was male, who was female? The race question was bigger than the gender question. What does this panel look like?
[Tory Dunnan, Cnn Correspondent:] So, Ashleigh, this is interesting. Right now, we're taking a look at a group of 16 people. The reason it's 16 people, it's 12 jurors and four alternates. So far, the judge has not made it clear who the jurors are and who the alternates are. When we talk about this group, we've got a lot of information, but today we should know who those jurors are. Getting you the key information you were talking about, we know it's 10 women, six men. Among the women, five are white, three are African-American, two are described as Asian decent. Among the men, five white and one male described as Hispanic and white. That's where we stand with that right now. It's interesting, if you go beyond the fact, these people have diverse backgrounds. One is a father of 11 kids. Another is a software programmer. Michael Dunn is in the software business as well. There's a doctor that could be one of the jurors sitting in the trial.
[Banfield:] Fascinating. Also fascinating, Angela Corey is actually litigating. She'll be in the courtroom. She spearheaded the case for the prosecutors in the Trayvon Martin case but she was only in the gallery. She was not on the other side of the bar. So this will be good lawyering. We'll be watching. Tory Dunnan, thank you for that. Again, we're just minutes away from the opening in that case. In the meantime, a very emotional day in a courtroom for a retired policeman who fatality shot a man in a movie theater, allegedly because that man was texting with the babysitter of his kid. Wait until you hear what the shooter said, how he said it, and what he may have said to the victim and the victim's wife moments after shooting the husband.

[Don Lemon, Cnn:] Good evening everyone from Ferguson, I'm Don Lemon. It has been quite a day here. It began with the naming of the local police officer, Darren Wilson, who shot and killed Michael Brown. It was accompanied by surveillance video released by a police taken in a local convenient store showing two African-American men allegedly Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson stealing cigars and Brown shoving or manhandling the clerk. In a daylong cloud of confusion from Police Chief Thomas Jackson, first leaving the impression that Officer Wilson was responding to the robbery call when he shot Michael Brown, then later today contradicting it.
[Chief Thomas Jackson, Ferguson Police:] There were two separate officers, this robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown. The initial contact between the officer and Mr. Brown was not related to the robbery.
[Unidentified Male:] Why didn't he stop Michael Brown?
[Jackson:] Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.
[Unidentififed Male:] Do you mind...
[Jackson:] That was it.
[Lemon:] Having said that, Chief Jackson then gave the local paper and yet another version. The officer he said actually did know about the robbery but was not aware that Michael Brown was a suspect. That is not until he might have seen those cigarillos in Brown's hand. And as you might imagine, neither the changing story nor the decision to release the video to begin with is winning many friends here. You'll hear from the Brown family tonight from Dorian Johnson's attorney and many others. But first, more on the surveillance video from 360's Randi Kaye.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Ferguson Market and Liquor, Saturday morning, what you're about to see is what police call a strong armed robbery. They say that's Michael Brown entering the store. White T- shirt, long tan shorts and a red Cardinals baseball hat, his friend, Dorian Johnson right behind him. It's 11:52 a.m. and 58 seconds according to the police incident report, the surveillance camera shows four seconds later Brown is at the counter. Watch closely, see the store employee in the red shirt apparently coming from the rest room, she goes behind the counter. Just 12 seconds later, police say Brown reaches for a box of Swisher Sweets cigars and hands them to Johnson without paying for them. What happens next is a bit obscured by a display case but watch closely here. Police say there's some sort of confrontation involving Brown, a struggle. Police say Brown grabbed more cigars. He'd been in the store now just 32 seconds. Seven seconds later, Brown's friend Johnson puts the box of cigars Brown handed him back on the counter returning them. But police say, Brown just seconds later bends down to pick up some cigars he dropped even looks a customer in the eye then makes his way to the door. At the door about 10 seconds later, a store employee who appears to have a set of keys in his hand attempts to put himself between the man believed to be Brown in the exit door. Still holding the cigars in his right hand, the man police say is Brown grabs the clerk with his left hand and clearly shoves him back into a display rack. It all might have ended there, but take a look at what happens next just about one minute into this. Police say, instead of leaving right away, Brown turns back one final time, advancing on the store employee who tried to stop him. Towering over him, police say it was an attempt to intimidate the employee who quickly backs down. Only then does Brown turn in exit at 11:54 a.m. He's in and out of the store in one minute and two seconds, about 10 minutes later, he's dead. Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
[Lemon:] All right. Randi, thank you very much and of course the releasing of that video tape driving protesters back here to the spot to Q.T. the to quick check the market some of them now tonight because of the rain or having to stand under the old rain where people are usually pumping their gas. People were upset by the releasing of that video, were you upset by it?
[Unidentified Female:] A little bit.
[Lemon:] Yeah.
[Unidentified Female:] But I believe that the truth will out at the end and, you know, excuses are for people who make them and accept them. And right now, we as a community are not accepting any more excuses that they throw out there to us. We're not taking any more evidence that they throw out to us especially if we're not easily accessible to it then we have a problem with that.
[Lemon:] Is it that much trust for law enforcement here? That much distrust I should say?
[Unidentified Female:] Right now, yes, because how I see it. If that were the case that he committed a robbery, they would have had that on a 4:00 news, the 10:00 news that evening...
[Lemon:] Right.
[Unidentified Female:] ... the early 5:00 news the next morning. They wouldn't have waited almost a week later to delegate or, you know, free their officer or give his name. They had to post together the pictures, they had to post together the video footage and made sure that it was grainy so that we couldn't see and so we know the truth.
[Lemon:] All right. Well, thank you very much. I'm going to show our viewers around here because again tonight here on the street, let's walk this way, tonight here on the street, protesters are gathering even within the rain. It is put it a little bit of a damper on it but really not much as you can see it's backed up for miles as it has been every night for about six nights here. Tonight, not quite as busy as it has been on other nights but the good thing is, is that tonight it has been peaceful as it was last night as well. And earlier, I spoke with Eric Davis, he is the cousin of Michael and Brown and he talked about the release of that video and how his family is dealing with it on this day. Eric, thank you for joining us.
[Eric Davis, Cousin Of Michael Brown:] You're welcome.
[Lemon:] Can I get, first, your reaction to the release of that video tape today?
[Davis:] The release of the video tape, it incited anger inside of me and my family, because we feel that it's just a distraction to get people to turn away from what's really going on and what really happened on Canfield. It's not about what happened at a convenient store, it's about what happened on Canfield when Michael was executed by a police officer on the ground with his hands in the air asking the officer not to shoot and surrendering completely.
[Lemon:] Ben Crump, the family attorney released a statement saying that it is character assassination and essentially blaming the victim, what do you say to that?
[Davis:] I agree. It is character assassination. We have not been happy with the investigation that hasn't been conducted by the Ferguson Police Department...
[Lemon:] So what do you think is going on here to release it on the same day?
[Davis:] What I think is going on is as I stated earlier, it's a diversion and it's an attempt to smear Michael's character so that you can get your eyes off what's really going on and focus on something else. But we're not going to lose our focus. We're going to ask people to continue to come out and peacefully protest.
[Lemon:] Right.
[Davis:] We're going to ask people to remember that this is not about what happened at a convenient store but it's more about what happened on Canfield Drive when Michael was executed.
[Lemon:] You don't think the two have anything to do with each other?
[Davis:] No. They do not.
[Lemon:] Yeah. How do you think the community is going to react and respond to this state because now there is even more suspicion around the actions of the police officers.
[Davis:] I think that what happened with the chief releasing a statement at the same time as he released the name of the officer is just inciting the crowd and making everyone angry and it just fueled the distrust that was already out there for the Ferguson Police Department. I think he just basically added fuel to the fire. And that's why we're coming out asking the public to please come out and continue to protest but we do not want any violence to occur. Do not let them distract us from what our ultimate goal is and that's to get justice for Michael Brown.
[Lemon:] How is the mother doing? How did the mother react to this?
[Davis:] She's completely distraught because it has been very hard for Lesley to raise Michael in a neighborhood like we lived, like we grew up in. I don't know if you understand but being a black male in a community that's definitely has like high crime rates and things of that nature, it's hard to keep your child away from those outside influences. None of us are latched to our cage 24 hours a day. So, they're going to have to go out there and stand up for themselves. And it's been a very difficult task for her to get Michael to even get to the point where he graduated from high school. If you look at the graduation rates of African-Americans, males in that area is not very high. So, what Michael had just achieved was a great accomplishment for him.
[Lemon:] Yeah. And so, what do you think happens after this? Because, listen, you know, the betrayal as we as I've said that Michael's been a gentle giant, a kid who is, you know, never in trouble and had never done anything, and then for this video tape to come out on the same day, you say it's character assassination. The country is watching and saying. "Well, there he is. It's him on the video tape. He did something." So, what's the big issue here?
[Davis:] The issue is it's not what this case is about. It's not about what happened at a convenient store. Again, it's what happened on Canfield Drive when my cousin and had his hands up in the air, knees down on the ground asking the officer who's supposed to protect him not to shoot him. The officer didn't listen. The officer didn't respect that he had basically surrendered and he executed my cousin.
[Lemon:] What do you say to the chief?
[Davis:] To the chief, I would like to say, "Why didn't you release photos of the officer? We didn't have photos of the officer released today. Why didn't you release any other information about the officer besides his name? Why don't we know how many times my cousin was shot? Why don't we know any of the details of what happened on Canfield?" That's what this case is about and it's not about what happened at a convenient store.
[Lemon:] Thank you.
[Davis:] Thank you.
[Lemon:] Best of luck with your family.
[Davis:] Thank you very much.
[Lemon:] And just ahead, Michael Brown's friend Dorian who witnessed his killing. How his story has evolved since we spoke earlier this week. What he didn't say then and what his attorney is saying now.

[Pereira:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Tensions growing this morning in Asia, China has now sent more fighter jets into a disputed are in the East China Sea. Vice President Joe Biden is set to visit Asia next week. His tour was supposed to focus on economic issues, but now it looks like he will to try to urge calm among all the players in this air space fight. CNN's Barbara Starr is following the story for us from the Pentagon. Good morning, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Michaela. Well, China says it is on high alert to defend this disputed area. But indeed the U.S. and the allies in the region are challenging that.
[Starr:] Navy fighter jets roar into the Pacific skies. It is a scheduled exercise by U.S. and Japanese forces testing the ability to respond to a crisis. But China's declaration of a new air identification zone requiring aircraft to obey Chinese rules is causing these war games to take on a new significance. Vice President Joe Biden will arrive in Beijing next week. A senior administration official says the vice president going to, quote, "seek clarity regarding the Chinese intentions" about an area the U.S. considers international air space. Even Caroline Kennedy, the new U.S. ambassador to Japan, is weighing in on the Chinese restriction zone, part of a dispute with Japan about who owns these remote islands in the East China Sea.
[Caroline Kennedy, U.s. Ambassador To Japan:] This only serves to increase tensions in the region.
[Starr:] The U.S., Japan and South Korea have all flown aircraft into the restricted zone without notifying Beijing authorities, a violation of China's new rules. The Chinese military says it sent fighter jets on patrol into the zone to monitor planes flying there.
[Victor Cha, Center For Strategic And International Studies:] When the Japanese continue to fly into this area, the Koreans continue to fly into their overlapped area with the Chinese, sooner or later, the Chinese are going to start scrambling jets to intercept these aircraft. That is where you have the potential for not a military conflict, but some sort of accident, some sort of mistake that could then lead to a real crisis in the region.
[Starr:] A Chinese foreign ministry official made clear, Beijing isn't budging. "We also asked Japan and the United States to reflect on themselves," he says, "correct the error, stop making irresponsible accusations against China, stop creating frictions and put an end to statements and actions that may harm regional stability." So the question now is, will Vice President Biden be able to convince the Chinese, perhaps, that they overplayed their hand, that they are facing opposition from countries throughout the region for taking this step Don.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Barbara, appreciate that. Thank you very much. The moment of truth drawing near. Tomorrow is the self-imposed deadline to fix the Obamacare Web site. President Obama has pledged that Healthcare.gov will be working. So, will millions of uninsured Americans be able to get through? We'll see. CNN's Jill Dougherty is at the White House this morning. And she looks very warm as a matter of fact. Good morning, Jill.
[Jill Dougherty, Cnn Foreign Affairs Correspondent:] Good morning, Don. You know, this is not supposed to be like the final fix. What it is, is to get the Website to the point where they can handle 50,000 people at one time. But what they are concerned about is what if there are 200,000 at the same time as there have been before back in October. So, that's only one of their concerns.
[Dougherty:] Withering criticism of the initial rollout of Healthcare.gov has intensified the pressure on the administration to get this fix right for Saturday. The White House hopes it can do that, at least for the vast majority of users.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] And this Web site is going to get fixed.
[Dougherty:] Healthcare.gov opened for business October 1st, and it's been a disastrous two months. The site crashed unable to cope with people trying to sign up. Small businesses still won't be able to use the site for another year. Insurance industry insiders tell CNN, some customers' personal data is getting mangled or even lost. The White House says the site will be able to handle 50,000 users at one time. But, they admit, there will be times after Saturday when Healthcare.gov does not function properly, and they are bracing for another possible huge surge in volume that could force some people into virtual waiting lines for callbacks. Officials say consumers who pick a plan by December 23rd and pay their premiums by December 31st will have coverage effect the first of January. And the White House does have a team. It's technical experts, tech experts. And they are working on hardware and software and, of course, working toward that deadline Don, Michaela.
[Lemon:] All right. Thank you, Jill.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Certainly, we'll be watching that.
[Lemon:] Yes, absolutely.
[Pereira:] The real test of it. Next up on NEW DAY, how do Americans feel about the economy? We have the surprising answer from our new CNN poll. We'll have that for you just ahead.
[Lemon:] And you may want to think twice before writing the bad review online. I know. Who would have thought, right? It could end up haunting you when the company tracks you down. We're going to explain that.

[Quest:] Donald Sterling is looking at a huge payday as he begins the process of selling the Los Angeles Clippers, whichever way you parse it. At least five bidders are preparing offers, and some are up to $2 billion plus, according to one source at CNN. Sterling's been banned from the NBA for life for making racist remarks last month. CNN's Rosa Flores joins us now from New York. Rosa, when we look at these numbers, first of all, let's just clear up one issue. Is he selling or isn't he? Because his wife is supposed to be having the authority to negotiate, but at the same time, we've got this very long document in which appears to be a defense. So which is it?
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] There are a lot of very interesting pieces, and moving pieces, if we will, Richard, to this story. But let me start with this. So, there are five bidders who are out there willing to pay some mega bucks for the Clippers. We're talking offers to the tune of $2 billion. And then you said it right. Shelly Sterling is saying let's sell, sell, sell now. Let's close this deal. Well, so, who are these five bidders, right? Well, those names are a secret for now. However, take a look at your screen, because of course we've done some digging, and these are the names of people, groups, entities, who have expressed interest in the Clippers. Now, here's the interesting thing. Look at those two first names. Now, these are not in any particular order, however those first two names, former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer and former NBA All Star Grant Hill. According to sources CNN sources, they tell us that Shelly Sterling met with those two individuals this past weekend. Now, meantime, while all of this is happening, Donald Sterling and his attorney writing a 26-page letter to the NBA in response to the charges from the NBA. And I'm going to read you a quote, because this really sums up what this letter is about. He says, "In reality, Mr. Sterling is being banned for life, fined $2.5 million, and stripped of his ownership for a purely private conversation with his lover that he did not know was being recorded, that he never intended would see the light of day." Now, he makes a couple of very interesting points that I want to talk to you about. First of all
[Quest:] Well
[Flores:] that the NBA morals clause doesn't regulate private speech. So, what he's saying there, Richard, is OK, he's having a private conversation in his living room, he's expecting privacy. Number two, that the NBA rules limit fines to only $1 million. He asks why is he being fined $2.5 billion. But the one that I think you are going to find most interesting, Richard, is this one. "The forced sale of the Clippers causes an egregious tax hit to this family." So he's thinking, OK, if it sells for about $1.5 billion, let's say, $500 million tax hit. Now, I don't know that viewers would feel sorry for him, because that is a lot of money, but
[Quest:] Well, it's because of the capital gains increase, isn't it?
[Flores:] Correct.
[Quest:] From when he bought it for a handful of millions of bucks and
[Flores:] For about $12 million.
[Quest:] For 30-odd years ago, and now it's worth so, it's the profit over the capital gain that we're talking about there. But here's the issue really comes down to, look, I'm no defender of Donald Sterling's views, so I'm going to be devil's advocate here to a certain extent. But Rosa, he has a point. These were private views, repugnant though they may be, that were said to his lover with an expectation of intimacy and confidentiality.
[Flores:] You're absolutely right. And that is his point, his main point in this 26-page document. He says look, yes, I understand that what I said was stupid, I should not have said it. However, in America, what America stands for, which includes the right to privacy, it was in my living room, and I have an expectation of privacy in my living room. And then he adds, so this is an illegal conversation, so if this conversation is illegally recorded, how can you use it against me in these charges that they're saying? So, he's saying everything that the
[Nba -- Quest:] Right.
[Flores:] is basing their decisions on is something that was recorded illegally, is his point.
[Quest:] Interesting things. The moment you know who's bought it or bidding, come back with some more. Many thanks, indeed.
[Flores:] Certainly.
[Quest:] Now, in Brazil, FIFA's general secretary, Jerome Valcke, says at least one stadium isn't ready for the World Cup. He tweeted, "Just completed visit at Arena das Dunas. Race against the clock. Still lots to be done for #WorldCup fans and media." There are, of course, just two weeks left. The World Cup trophy has begun its tour of Brazil. The national side is training for whatever fans are hoping will be a victory in the tournament. And 90 kilometers away, very different preparations are being made in the favelas of Rio. Our correspondent, Shasta Darlington, who has spent the last few years really covering this story upside down, inside out, backside and front side, and now she explores this other side of Brazil.
[Shasta Darlington, Cnn International Correspondent:] Vibrating hips, children dancing in flip-flops, and the occasional assault rifle. Just another funk party in the lawless favelas on the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro. By day, even more brazen.
[Darlington:] They're selling drugs right here behind me on the corner in the middle of the community in broad daylight while life really goes on around them. They're selling to housewives and workers and teenagers, while kids walk home from school. The local dealers agree to talk to us while they carry on with business. Marijuana, an inhalant containing ether, hashish, cocaine, and for just $2, crack. "This is the famous powder for 20 reals," he says, closing a deal. While buyers snort coke and lookouts stand guard, children play in the streets. Jorge says he's been dealing for five years. "I was born in the middle of trafficking," he says. "My childhood was trafficking, my adolescence was trafficking. I didn't see any other alternative." For decades, favelas were virtually abandoned by the state, teeming shanty towns without sewage systems or schools and hospitals. Neglected by police, warring drug gangs proliferated. "If I told you I wasn't afraid of dying, it would be a lie," he says. "If I told you I avoided it, it would also be a lie. I wouldn't be here trafficking if that were true." In 2008, Rio launched a pacification program to secure the city ahead of this year's World Cup and the 2016 Olympic Games. Police, backed by the army, have seized control of dozens of favelas, expelling drug gangs, most of them near the beach and tourist hot spots. But hundreds more haven't been touched at all. We found Wagner, a former trafficker, at a drug rehab shelter. "My community lives in a constant war zone," he says. "We make the headlines every day." He says he won't go home until the police occupy his slum as well. The pacification campaign does have its critics, who say more schools and more job opportunities need to follow the tough-knuckle tactics, especially if they want to convince people in favelas like this one that police won't just pack up and leave once the big sporting events are over. Shasta Darlington, CNN, Rio de Janeiro.
[Quest:] Fascinating story, bearing in mind that the World Cup is just a couple of weeks away. Coming up in a moment, it's the search result that Google is not proud about. We'll explain in a moment.

[Baldwin:] New questions are being raised in the tragic incident where police shot and killed a Cleveland 12-year-old who had been pointing a toy gun at people in a public space. One of them being, why did it take almost four minutes for police to give this young man first aid, CPR, after he was shot. I want you to listen to the details from the police chief.
[Ed Tomba, Deputy Chief, Cleveland Police Department:] Approximately three minutes and 49 seconds after that took place, there was a first district detective, along with an FBI agent, that were working in the first district and they were working a bang robbery detail. They heard the assignment and they responded to the scene and provided first aid. The FBI agent is a nationally registered paramedic. So he was given first aid in under four minutes. And approximately three minutes after that, our emergency service medical unit, EMS, showed up and provided medical service to the young man.
[Baldwin:] If you are not as familiar with this story, let me set it up for you. Here's our correspondent, George Howell. He has surveillance video capturing how the moments before this boy was shot. But I have to warn you, it is graphic, so it could be tough for to you watch. Here you go.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] This video was record on a security camera in a Cleveland park and it shows Tamir Rice moving in and out of view. Keep in mind, these are the last few moments of this 12-year-old's life, a video his family wants you to see. First we see Rice pacing the sidewalk, brandishing what looks to be a weapon. At one point, even taking a two-handed shooting stance. All the while, police say, he was being watched.
[Tomba:] The gentleman sitting in the gazebo is the gentleman that called into our dispatch center.
[Howell:] Here's that initial call to 911.
[Caller:] I'm sitting in the park at West Boulevard by the West Boulevard rapid transit station. And there's a guy in here with a pistol, and it's probably fake, and pointing at every one.
[Howell:] In fact, the caller points out, twice, the gun is probably fake.
[Caller:] The guy keeps pulling it in and out. It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring people.
[Howell:] Here's the clip why the man called 911. The object that looks like handgun we now know is really a toy pellet gun. And Rice seems to point it at this person whose identity is blurred. Police say he's also seen here reaching for his cell phone, then having a conversation. Minutes later, Rice moves to the gazebo where he's now alone. This, just minutes before police arrive. And now we know exactly what the dispatcher told the responding officers before they arrived. Notice how she never relays the information that it may be a fake gun.
[Dispatcher:] Everybody's tied up with priorities. There's a guy sitting on a swing pointing a gun at people.
[Howell:] A few seconds later, she describes Rice but, again, fails to pass along the words the 911 caller used about the gun probably being fake.
[Dispatcher:] In the park, by the youth center is a black male sitting on a swing. He's wearing a camouflage hat, a grey jacket with black sleeves. Said he keeps pulling a gun out of his pants and pointing it at people.
[Howell:] What happens next happens very quickly. Officer Frank Garmack, driving, and Officer Timothy Lowman, in the passenger seat.
[Tomba:] The officers ordered him to show his hands and to drop the weapon and the young man pulled the weapon out and that's when the officer fired.
[Howell:] In the dispatcher's audio, you can hear the officers' grim call for help.
[Police Officer:] Radio, shots fired. Male down. Black male, maybe 20. Black revolver or black handgun. Send EMS this way.
[Howell:] Even as they call for help, the officers still not understanding that they've shot a 12-year-old boy carrying a toy gun.
[Tomba:] This is not an effort to exonerate, not an effort to show the public that anybody did anything wrong. This is an obvious tragic event where a young member of our community lost their life. We got two officers that were out there protecting the public that just had to do something that nobody wants to do.
[Howell:] George Howell, CNN, Atlanta.
[Baldwin:] Let's talk about this. Paul Callan, Joey Jackson. It's tough to look at it all together in its entirety but it provides perspective. We know when you see that patrol car zooming in on that lawn towards him, the officer saying through the door that was opened, put your hands up, put your hands up, put your hands up, three times. According to police, he reaches into his waist band and that's when they shoot him. Mistakes made?
[Callan:] Well, the biggest mistake obviously is by the dispatcher who should have told the officers that it was likely a fake gun. The officers approach and, you know, maybe they didn't know he was a 12- year-old. They were describing him as a 20-year-old. That gun is very realistic looking. What we have to know though is, what was that last interaction between the victim and the officers before the shots were fired. It's kind of hard to see that on the video because we're looking at a far-away angle.
[Baldwin:] Had dispatch told the responding officer, eyewitness on the scene says it could be a toy gun, you think that would have changed how the officer responded?
[Jackson:] You know, Brooke, I think it affects the state of the mind of the officer. Hearing a gun versus a toy gun, that's pretty big, pretty significant as far as how the officer would respond. There are multiple concerns here to me. That's first one. The second one is it could have been the officer asking for clarification. Third issue, there's a person with a gun. Wouldn't you keep a safe perimeter between you and the individual? You're going to roll straight up upon them? The fourth issue that concerns me is, two seconds and you ask someone three separate times to drop the weapon? That doesn't comport to me with reality. It appears, when we look at the videotape, there's a driving up and there's a shooting.
[Baldwin:] Very quick.
[Jackson:] So, you know, where's the ability to warn or, you know, warning, hey, drop it or whatever you do. I certainly understand police are in a very tough situation. They have to act upon a split- moment's notice. But if you keep a safe perimeter, keep your distance, say, hey, put the weapon down, you get down, I think the result would have been different than another child dead.
[Baldwin:] So those are your four different concerns. Then you have the issue we heard from the police chief saying that first aid was rendered within the first four-minute mark after he was shot. What is proper protocol for an officer to perform CPR?
[Callan:] In most police departments, they have training to administer CPR. We expect the officers at the scene would have administered it, particularly when they realized it was a child and it wasn't some adult that was shot. So, you know, I think there are all kinds of problems with this situation that might lead to at least a civil lawsuit. Whether criminal charges against the police will lie is another matter. We've had this long discussion about Ferguson. We might be having a similar discussion about Cleveland in the near future depending upon what the grand jury law is there.
[Jackson:] I certainly think we'll be having that discussion. As far as criminality, understand there's two prongs. The first prong is whether the officer feared for his life, and basically was he going to be injured or would he die. And the second prong is, did he act reasonably, Brooke, under those circumstances. That's how it will be evaluated criminally. From a civil perspective, it's negligence. Did the officer act in a negligent way? If so, civil and monetary damages will
[Callan:] And the city is responsible for the dispatcher in failing to adequately advise the officers that it was possibly a fake gun.
[Baldwin:] I agree with you. I think we will be talking about this one Paul Callan, Joey Jackson, thank you both very much.
[Jackson:] Thank you, Brooke.
[Callan:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] Oh, yes, cue the Black Friday mob madness here. But as you're about to see, this wasn't even the worst of it. Stay right here.

[Blitzer:] Let's go to Egypt now and what's the single bloodiest day since the country's historic revolution. On the ground, one protester describes the scene of quote, "open war," just hours after Egyptian security forces bulldozed two massive camps filled with supporters of the ousted president, Mohamed Morsy. According to Egyptian TV, 278 people have been killed, at least two of them journalists. One a long time Sky News cameraman who used to work right here at CNN. Hundreds have been injured. A month long state of emergency is now in effect and curfews are in place in cities across the country, including Cairo. That's where our senior international correspondent, Arwa Damon, is. She's joining us now Arwa, you had to duck for cover at several points today, right in the middle of all of the violence. What is the latest? What's going on right now?
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, right now, it's something of an uneasy calm, if one can even describe it as that. The streets absolutely deserted because of that curfew that is in place. The big challenge that was facing the security forces throughout the day was not just having to go in and clear those two main sit-in sites, but dealing with clashes that increased in intensity and spread throughout the entire city. Supporters of the ousted president were refusing to give up. They were trying to repeatedly re-gather in different areas. They were trying to re-access one of the main sit-in sites, clashing with riot police, throwing stones at them. And then in this other new area, they've managed to even set up yet another sit-in. And those people are still there and they are fully aware that they do so at great risk to their own safety. They've set up a field clinic. They are waiting for the crackdown to continue. They are expecting the worst case scenario. And adding to all of this, too, Wolf, is the added dynamic that it's not just clashes between security forces and Morsy supporters, it's also clashes between Morsy supporters and residents in some of these areas. Driving around just before curfew, we also saw neighborhood watches being set up in some places, basically youth from neighborhoods carrying batons, bats and setting up their own checkpoints searching vehicles.
[Blitzer:] Do the pro-Mohamed Morsy elements, the Muslim Brotherhood there, who are protesting his removal, do they have weapons, though? Do they have arms to fight the security forces of the Egyptian military and police?
[Damon:] They claim that they do not. And that being said, we did not see any weapons in their hands at any point in time. That being said, though, Wolf, there are 43 members of the police force who have been killed in these clashes. So one can only assume that some of these demonstrators were, in fact, carrying weapons, although, by and large, this was a peaceful movement. And the fallout from all of this, in terms of the casualties, in terms of the clashes that many are expecting to continue as the security forces try to bring the situation under control, and in terms of the political fallout, this country is paying an incredible cost right now. And trying to navigate the way forward is proving to be as challenging as ever Wolf.
[Blitzer:] I raised the question about weapons because I know a lot of people are concerned, what we've seen in Syria for the past two years, a horrendous civil war. The question to you, Arwa, you've been to Syria, you've been in Egypt, you've been in Libya, you've been throughout the region, are we on the verge of potentially a civil war, a deadly civil war in Egypt?
[Damon:] To the scale and magnitude that we've seen in Syria and Iraq and in some of the other countries in the region? No, absolutely not. Is the country right now, Egypt, at great risk of even more clashes, even more violence? Yes, that most certainly is there and it is there in a greater capacity than it was before the security forces one and then forcibly cleared these individuals out of these two sit-in areas. And for the Muslim Brotherhood for its supporters, for those who are supporting the ousted president, this is also very much an existential battle, so that as an added dynamic to all of this, but that being said, is Egypt going to fall into an all-out civil war? Not likely, but it's still in an incredibly precarious position, and the government, the responsibility that's really on the government right now to try to figure out a way to bring about an end to this situation, and really decrease the amount of blood that is being spilled. It's a very vicious cycle. But the more killing and death that there is, the angrier people become, the more potential for more killing and death there is in the future.
[Blitzer:] Certainly is. Arwa Damon, we'll get back to you. Once again, we're standing by for that news conference from the NTSB in Birmingham, Alabama. The crash of that USPS A-300 cargo plane. Once it begins, we'll go there. But let's, in the meantime, continue the fallout for what's going on in Egypt, the violence there, could have huge implications for the United States. The White House calling the latest bloodshed a step in the wrong direction. And just a little while ago, the secretary of state, John Kerry, directly addressed the crisis.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] The United States strongly condemns today's violence and bloodshed across Egypt. It's a serious blow to reconciliation, and the Egyptians people's hopes for transition towards democracy and inclusion.
[Blitzer:] Let's bring in our foreign affairs correspondent, Jill Dougherty. Jill, both sides in this, I guess we can call it a conflict in Egypt right now, they're blaming the United States.
[Jill Dougherty, Cnn Foreign Affairs Correspondent:] They are, and that's the ironic thing. It's very disturbing for the United States, because after all, remember when they were trying to say is it a coup or isn't it a coup? And the United States stood back and said best not to define it, let's stay out of this. Let's keep both sides happy. But by staying out of it, they have angered both sides and they're being criticized. You know, if they say it's a coup, it angers the military and it pleases the people on the Morsi side. And if they say it's not a coup, it angers Morsi people and pleases the military, so they can't win. And then don't forget Senator McCain and Senator Graham went there. And Senator McCain said it's a coup, looks like a coup. It is a coup. So, it's getting a lot of anger and generating a lot of anger among the Egyptians.
[Blitzer:] Tell our viewers what's at stake for the United States?
[Dougherty:] Number one, this is a huge country, 81 million people linchpin of the Middle East. And I think it boils down to terrorism and Israel. Israel because Egypt made peace Israel, even when Morsi came in. You know, Muslim Brotherhood, they were fearful here in Washington that he might walk away from the peace, but he didn't. And now, the military has been cooperating with the United States on anti-terrorism. So, if that falls apart, and if Egypt completely falls apart, that fight against terrorism could be diminished and that's very dangerous.
[Blitzer:] Certainly is. Lots at stake here. Jill, thanks very much. By the way, in our next hour, I'll speak live with the Egyptian ambassador to the United States, Mohamed Tawfik. He's here in the the SITUATION ROOM. We'll talk about this crisis. Once again, we're awaiting a news conference with the NTSB at Birmingham. Once it begins, we'll go there live on the crash of that U.P.S. cargo plane overnight. Meanwhile, a stunning reprimand to fellow Republicans from the co-host of CNN's new "Crossfire." What Newt Gingrich is now telling them about Obamacare? Plus, coke takes on critics of the artificial sweeteners in some of its drinks with a new ad campaign. Sanjay Gupta will join us, but I'm told the news conference, the NTSB news conference is about to begin. Here it is. Let's go there.
[Robert Sumwalt, Ntsb Board Member:] Well, good afternoon. My name is Robert Sumwalt, and I'm a board member with the National Transportation Safety Board. The NTSB has arrived in Birmingham to begin the investigation of the accident involving U.P.S. flight 1354. Before I go on, I would like to pause a moment and offer our sincere condolences and let you know that our thoughts and prayers are with the families and the victims and the friends of those. We are thinking of you, and you are in our prayers. The NTSB, we'll start with that. We are an independent federal agency charged by Congress to investigate transportation accidents to determine the problem cause action and then to issue safety recommendations to keep those accidents from happening again, and that's what we're in the business of doing. As far as factual information is concerned, this was U.P.S. flight 1354. It was on a scheduled flight from Louisville, Kentucky to Birmingham. The aircraft is an A-300-600. A-300-600F, and the "F" stands for freighter. The registration number is in 155UP. And as has been reported, the aircraft crashed while on approach to runway 1-8 here at Birmingham Shuttlesworth International Airport. The NTSB's Go team arrived here in Birmingham. We landed at about eleven o'clock this morning. We had an investigator on scene actually about 9:15 this morning who drove over from Atlanta. And today, what we've done is just a very an overall initial assessment to begin planning the next steps of our investigation. But I can tell you from the preliminary information that we've gone out and gathered, from the initial ground impact and bear in mind that there were three strikes prior to the initial ground impact, but from the initial ground impact to the final resting point of the forward fuselage, which contains the cockpit area, that distance is about 200 yards. And then another 75 or 80 yards past that, closer to the runway, that is, there would be the part of the fuselage that contained the wings and the tail section. And that part of the aircraft, especially the over-wing portion, was extensively damaged by fire. The tail section of the aircraft is still smoldering, still smoking, and for that reason, we have not been able to get in and get the black boxes, if you will, the cockpit voice record, the flight data recorder, but the first responders are out there continuing to put water, fire retardant on that section of the fuselage. So, we are optimistic that we will be able to get in there quickly and recover those crash recorders. The NTSB has responded to this crash with a 26-member Go team. The investigator in charge is Dr. Dan Bauer. Dr. Bauer has over 20 years of investigative experience with the NTSB. Our Go team consists of we will break it down into several groups. And just to give you an idea of what some of those groups are, we will have a special group of experts looking at the aircraft's structure, power plans, survival factors, human performance, systems, operations, air traffic control, weather. We will be looking at everything that may be relevant to the causation of this accident. In addition to our investigative staff, we have members of the NTSB's office of transportation disaster assistance. They will be helping to provide support for the family members of the victims. I do want to emphasize that we are just at the very, very beginning stages of our investigation. There's a lot of work to be done, and that work will begin in earnest tomorrow morning. Throughout the next few days, we will be gathering factual information. Our goal is to find out not just what happened, but more importantly, why it happened, so that we can keep it from happening again. I want to emphasize that while we are here on scene, we are just here to collect the perishable evidence, the perishable information, which is, in my opinion, the information that goes away with the passage of time. So, we will be, tomorrow morning, with the assistance of the FBI's E.R.T., evidence response team, they will help us to document the wreckage. They have special measuring devices that can very precisely help us diagram the wreckage. We'll be collecting records that we can analyze later, records for the aircraft, records for the flight crew. We'll be looking at collecting weather information, the ATC tapes. Those are the types of things that have already started, but will continue in much more detail tomorrow, but we're not here in Birmingham. We are not here to conduct any analysis, and we will not be determining cause of the accident and nor will we, in any case, speculate on the accident.
[Blitzer:] All right. That's Robert Sumwalt, the NTSB board member, giving us some very, very preliminary information about this investigation that the NTSB will do on this U.P.S. flight 1354, the crash in Birmingham, Alabama overnight. We'll stay on top of this story. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.

[Tapper:] There's new evidence that al Qaeda now has a very dangerous weapon, capable of shooting down commercial jets. A how-to manual for using portable surface-to-air missiles has been found in one of the terror group's hideouts. U.S. officials have been worried for years that this would happen. CNN's Brian Todd has more on this chilling discovery Brian.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Jake, the numbers bear out why the U.S. officials are so worried about this. The U.S. government says, since the mid-'70s, more than 800 people on commercial flights have been killed after being hit by heat-seeking shoulder-fired missiles. Now, with this discovery by the Associated Press, there's a strong indication that al Qaeda is sharpening its skills with those weapons.
[Todd:] It streaks towards the target, striking it in seconds. Fire and fuel spill out of the plane's wing. The aircraft loses hydraulics, but the crew is able to land safely. The instrument of this attack on a DHL cargo jet near Baghdad in November of 2003, a portable surface-to-air missile. A year earlier the only known incident where al Qaeda fired one of those missiles at a passenger set. Two missiles fired at an Israeli plane killed civilians near Mombasa, Kenya, missed their target. Now a discovery that will stir more concern among U.S. officials. The Associated Press reports it's recovered a how-to manual for the use of portable surface-to-air missile inside a building formerly occupied by the al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb in the African nation of Mali.
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] For them, commercial aviation is kind of the most important target, because of its big media effects, large effects on the global economy, business travels.
[Todd:] CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen points out the discovery of that manual doesn't prove that branch of al Qaeda actually has many of those missiles, but he says for years the group has been obsessively looking for them. This al Qaeda video obtained by CNN 12 years ago provided militants with step-by-step instructions on how to use a U.S.-made surface-to- air missile. [on camera]: This will give you a visual of why western officials are so concerned about this threat. At so many airports like here at Reagan National, planes take off and land very close to areas where surface-to-air missiles can be fired. I'm with Peter Pham of the Atlantic Council. He was an advisor to U.S.
[Peter Pham, Atlantic Council:] Well, they're not high-tech weapons. They're weapons developed by the Soviets in the early 1960s. They weigh about 30 pounds. A single individual, they're about the size of a large poster tube. Someone would put it on their shoulder and launch it. It takes a bit of training.
[Todd:] Another tactical advantage for terrorists: while military planes are equipped with counter measures for these heat- seeking missiles, commercial planes are not.
[Bergen:] If you bring down a commercial jet with a surface-to-air missile you basically have to retrofit all these commercial jets with counter measures. And the reason that hasn't happened right now is that it is expensive to do.
[Todd:] So if al Qaeda has got a significant stock of portable surface- to-air missiles, where do they get them? Most likely from Libya during or right after the civil war there. Peter Pharm says Moammar Gadhafi is estimated to have had about 20,000 of these weapons, but he says when western security forces went in and tried to recover them, they only got about 5,000; that experts say Gadhafi's stocks were in fairly poor shape, Jake. So that is one thing we have going for us.
[Tapper:] Right. A few years ago, when I flew to Iraq; when I we flew down and touched down at the Baghdad Airport, it was a corkscrew landing, because pilots and these are commercial flights were so afraid of surface-to-air missiles they didn't want to get out above anywhere other than just the airport.
[Todd:] Exactly right. You have to do that in Baghdad and French forces, in fact, in Mali have had to resort to those tactics, a corkscrew type landing. And to attack rebels on the ground, the French have had to go to high altitude aircraft to tour the rebels, rather than attack helicopters because these missiles have been such a threat to the attack helicopters. And these high altitude planes are not as effective in attacking as attack helicopters when attacking these rebels on the ground. So it's taken away from the French capabilities there.
[Tapper:] All right. Excellent report. Brian Todd, thank you so much. We're going to switch gears pretty drastically in a minute. Next Jeanne Moos takes us to a restaurant where the food arrives by remote control.

[Lu Stout:] Coming to you live from Hong Kong, you're back watching News Stream. Now authorities expect the death toll from a massive mudslide in the U.S. state of Washington to rise significantly. As George Howell reports, the weekend disaster took at least 24 lives and destroyed dozens of homes.
[Steve Mason, Battalion Chief:] The neighborhood that was here spreads out into these areas.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] These are the latest pictures from the disaster zone. The mud in many places, some three to four stories high, that came crashing down from the hillside and within a matter of seconds, one square mile of what once was a community now coated and covered. Gary McPherson remembers it felt like being in a blender.
[Gary Mcpherson, Landslide Survivor:] Instead of making a margarita, you just kept mixing it and mixing it and mixing it, when it got going fast enough, you took the top off.
[Howell:] Gary is among the many rescued Saturday, when the wall of mud hit his farm. He says he and his wife, Linda, were sitting in their reclining chairs and before he knew it, he was in the fight for his and her life. His air force training kicked in. Stay calm, try to find a way out. He grabbed a stick.
[Mcpherson:] Stick to the north until I don't have any more stick there and I kept waving it.
[Howell:] A rescuer saw that stick and pulled Gary to safety. But all Gary could think about was trying to save Linda. She didn't make it.
[Mcpherson:] She was gone.
[Howell:] There are so many stories of heartbreaking loss in the Oso mudslide. The rising number of those who died, the missing and those who survived. The search and rescue effort continues in this area, but the outlook for finding anyone alive is grim.
[Mason:] They're digging through the different piles. There's guys looking in holes. As you notice out here, there's lumber. There are trees, actually, trees, mud, dirt, residences, cars, motor homes, boats. Everything that everyone would have in a neighborhood is now strewn out here.
[Howell:] McPherson says the mudslide threw his home more than 100 yards away. Nothing left standing and everything he knew...
[Mcpherson:] Obviously, losing Linda.
[Howell:] ...changed forever. George Howell, CNN, Arlington, Washington.
[Lu Stout:] Such heartbreaking loss there. Now U.S. President Barack Obama, he is urging Russia to, quote, move back troops from the Ukraine border and to negotiate with the international community. Now the president told CBS News that the forces may be, quote, an effort to intimidate Ukraine or maybe that they've got additional planes, end of quote. Now tens of thousands of Russian troops are said to be massing at various points along the border. And Kiev fears that after annexing Crimea, a Russian invasion of Ukraine will be next. Now Karl Penhaul is in Senkivka on the northeastern border where Ukraine meets Russia. He joins me now with the latest. And Karl, fear is rising over this Russian military buildup at the border. What have you seen there?
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn International Correspondent:] Absolutely, Kristie. Fear is rising, tension is rising and the local people are making their own preparations. Just to set the scene for you, the Russian border is just a few kilometers over that way. Desolate landscape, some farm land, a lot of forest. This is where the Pentagon says that on the other side up to 40,000 Russian troops are massing. The Ukrainian government says that figure is much higher, puts the figure at about 88,000 along with tanks and attack helicopters. But this is the local response. These men that you see here in military uniforms, these are civilians that have had in the past military training and are now forming these civilian self-defense committees, ready in case those Russian troops roll across the border with their tanks. You know, they've been building barricades here with old car tires, with wood as well. They say that if the Russian do advance and try to cut off the main highway here, then they'll set these tires on fire to set up a smoke screen. And if I can get and just move aside, I want to show you a little bit more of the preparations that they've made. Yes, of course, they put up sandbags on this little military post that they've put together. And down here around this area they've been digging tranches as well. They've been digging trenches, they say, that they're working jointly with the Ukrainian military as well. The Ukrainian military can use this area as a fall back position and fight from these trenches if necessary. And but it really does go to show that there is a genuine fear that the Russians could roll across and that is why they're making these urgent preparations, Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Karl, it is incredible to see civilians there at the border getting ready to respond by any possible Russian invasion. If Russia moves into Ukraine, how will the Ukrainian military respond? And how will Ukraine's paramilitary forces respond? Karl, it's Kristie in Hong Kong. Hopefully you can hear me. Curious about not just the civilian response and readiness, but also how Ukraine's military and paramilitary forces would respond. OK, unfortunately we just lost our Karl Penhaul there. Karl Penhaul reporting live there at the border between Ukraine and Russia, a very vivid account there from Karl. Now you're watching News Stream. Right after the break, new objects spotted. Could they be part of debris from the missing Malaysian jetliner, we'll get the latest details from our correspondent in Perth. Also ahead, the key to unlocking this mystery, it lies in the plane's data recorder, but the time investigators have to locate signals from the device, it may be shorter than expected.

[Velez-mitchell:] Fifteen percent of Americans are on Food Stamps. That`s 47 million Americans, and starting tomorrow they`re going to see cuts, big cuts. A family of four getting the maximum benefit of $668 a month. They get a reduction of $36 a month. The old left-right, Democrat-Republican, conservative-liberal arguments are getting super tired. And they`re not really addressing the bottom line, underlying problems that our systems are broken and sick, and those systems are making us sick. You have children?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Velez-mitchell:] And you are part of the Food Stamp program?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Velez-mitchell:] And you would like to see it revised and...
[Unidentified Female:] Exactly. Change it so that we can eat healthy and get the nutrients that we`re supposed to get.
[Velez-mitchell:] Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes, tobacco, they are not allowed under Food Stamps. But you know what is allowed? Soft drinks, candy, cookies, bakery cakes. Is there a problem with how the Food Stamp system operates, given that we have a massive obesity problem in this country?
[Unidentified Female:] There`s a huge problem. People use Food Stamps to go out and buy chips and all that processed food that most of them are buying. Then it`s not solving the problem. It`s increasing it.
[Velez-mitchell:] If it would require a sacrifice like cutting out the sugary drinks and saying you can`t buy sodas with Food Stamps, you`d be willing to make that sacrifice?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, yes I would.
[Velez-mitchell:] If people are eating food that`s making them sick and there`s a way to use a Food Stamp program to encourage people to eat healthier, to encourage them to eat more fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains and get healthier, wouldn`t that save taxpayers money ultimately by reducing health-care costs?
[Unidentified Female:] Absolutely. For example, many of the diseases that people are suffering from are diet-related diseases. Now, for example, my coalition, in New York School PS-244, the school has gone all vegetarian. We have created a completely vegetarian has gone all vegetarian. We`ve created a vegetarian menu. And in one year, their BMIs, their body mass index, has gone down.
[Velez-mitchell:] Wouldn`t it be nice if we could do that for all the millions of people who want I believe they want healthier options? There`s a program to get farmers` markets to accept Food Stamps so that we can bring fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains into low-income neighborhoods. They often don`t have the choice to make a healthy choice. That`s got to change. The government could do that and save billions of dollars. On the other side, on the health-care side. Nobody is talking about that. We are. On the other side, a doctor faces murder charges in the death of his wife. Will his daughters ultimately be the ones who put him behind bars?
[Alexis Macneill, Daughter Of Victim:] Ever since the day my mom died, I I was concerned that my father killed her. I just knew it was all staged, you know. He`s an actor, and he orchestrated this murder.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Better. That is the word that I think you have to use about Baltimore this morning. Overnight a curfew came into effect 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. and it certainly made a difference as did the thousands of police officers and national guardsmen that were standing at the ready as well. We hear from police only ten arrests were made. You will see in social media this morning there's discussion of those arrests and how they were done. We did not see anything where we were last night that would be sparking any controversy. But that conversation will continue. There is less of a threat on the streets so school doors are reopening this morning. They had been closed for a day, however, a very odd situation with the Orioles. I know you think sports doesn't matter, but there's a metaphor here. There will be a game today, but there will be no fans. That's for the first time in Major League Baseball history. No fans in attendance because of safety concerns. There's also a huge day coming on Friday, cannot underestimate its significance, but why? The police are going to present their preliminary investigative findings to the prosecutor's office on Friday. Does that mean you're going to see a perp walk? Does that mean you're going to hear that nothing's going to be done? In all likelihood no and we're going to discuss that right now with Bob Maloney. He is the director of Emergency Management for the city of Baltimore. And we're happy to have you here especially because we know how busy you've been all through the night.
[Bob Maloney, Director, Emergency Management For Baltimore:] Good morning, thank you.
[Cuomo:] Let's start with the immediate and then go to the eventual.
[Maloney:] All right.
[Cuomo:] What worked last night that made it so different than the previous?
[Maloney:] You know, I think we sensed after the last fire was put out that, you know, immediately people wanted to get back to normal. We had the first buses running and, you know, people out helping us sweep. And it just took on. And then through the course of the day I think what we saw is, you know, the true Baltimore where people came out and worked with the city workers and, you know
[Cuomo:] Curfew necessary? Having the guys in the line last night, the way you did it, do you think that was the minimum standard of force necessary to achieve the effect?
[Maloney:] I think, you know, we needed to calculate things and, you know, we didn't want to meet violence with violence. And I think it worked out well and I think the results show that.
[Cuomo:] The canisters last night, were those tear gas or just flash bangs and distracting smoke?
[Maloney:] I'm not sure. I think the term utilizes pepper spray. But, you know, just to
[Cuomo:] Was there a range of things used? We know those pellets were pepper pellets that they were shooting, but the canisters
[Maloney:] What I saw from my vantage point was pepper.
[Cuomo:] OK, but no tear gas used last night as far as you know and the arrests that were done, there is some drama online going on about how men were taken into custody. As far as you know, did anybody get hurt last night while being arrested?
[Maloney:] No.
[Cuomo:] Do you have anybody who needed any medical attention?
[Maloney:] No.
[Cuomo:] So that's a good sign.
[Maloney:] That's a great sign.
[Cuomo:] Do you believe you will need to stay this way? You'll have to keep a curfew in effect for an extended period that you'll have to have the streets shut down. You'll have to have the National Guard come into play?
[Maloney:] Look, I think, you know, those decisions will be, you know, made and in a calculated way. And I think what we have to understand is we're going to have a lot of people in the city as we have for the protesters, as we had for Ferguson. And, you know, getting ready for people who are demonstrating large crowds is difficulty enough. And when you have the threat that it's going to erupt in what we saw Monday night, you know, we have to be prepared. But, you know, I think yesterday was a great day. And we'll build on that and we'll keep moving forward as a city.
[Cuomo:] Number of cops anonymously obviously they got to worry about doing their job keeping their heads down said they let us do their job tonight. They didn't let us do our job the other night.
[Maloney:] I haven't really heard those internal conversations like that.
[Cuomo:] Do you share that? That last night was different in terms of what the rules of engagement were and how much you were allowed to be on the street?
[Maloney:] Well, you know, the curfew dictated how long people were allowed to be on the street. But, you know, clearly the officers have had tolls and authority to do what is necessary under their command. And I think, you know, the majority of officers will tell you that. And what we've done is try to do everything we can to support the police as the lead agency. Keep the hospitals going, answer the 911 calls, make sure that we clean up debris as necessary, function as a city, you know, we have major universities and institutions and all that has to keep going. And that's what we're trying to do.
[Cuomo:] Friday has been set up as the big day by the police commissioner. What is your expectation for Friday? Does this end one way or the other on Friday or is this just one more step in the process of the administration of justice?
[Maloney:] Yes. I think as far as the activity goes in getting back to, you know, where we're not having peaceful demonstrations, things like that, I think we all expect that that's going to continue. I think Friday is a milestone and that will happen. And then I think we have some major organizational marches planned on Saturday. And I think what we all want, what every citizen wants and every city worker is for things to be peaceful. And, you know, we're Americans, right? And we want this is how we do things. And I think people from Baltimore will tell you, you know, we're a special group of people here. It's a very diverse city. And, you know, very close-knit community based and what we saw Monday night is not us.
[Cuomo:] It was just one night and there's a reason that Baltimore's called charm city. Bob Maloney
[Maloney:] Thanks a lot.
[Cuomo:] Thank you very much. I hope that your work becomes less necessary each night as we go.
[Maloney:] Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
[Cuomo:] All right, so Baltimore police, they were using what Bob was saying may have been pepper spray, there was certainly smoke and flash bangs being used. And it made a difference last night in terms of keeping the streets quiet. What will happen next here in Baltimore, we'll tell you when we come back.

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Hello again, everyone. Thanks for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield, live in Baltimore. We are one hour away from a big youth rally right here in Baltimore. Although it sounds like it's under way. The stage is set. This will end up being the final destination here, city hall. Right now, there are hundreds of people, at least that's what it appears from our bird's-eye view, maybe even dozens of people, right now walking through the streets of Baltimore and they're walking about a three to four-mile path through the streets. And then making their way right here to the war memorial plaza outside of this city hall. They're all doing this, rally and support of Freddie Gray. The 25- year-old man who died in police custody last month. There is a feeling among many jubilation that there were charges imposed against six police officers but at the same time many people reserving comment because they say it's still early in the investigation. We have a teal of reporters around the city covering today's demonstrations. Right now you're looking at a shot of the six police officers. But we also have CNN correspondents Sara Sidner, Nick Valencia, Ryan Young, and Rene Marsh, all dispersed in various parts of the city right there. Let's first go to Sara Sidner who is right here in this park. Sara, while this is a final destination it already seems like a rally that is very much under way.
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Very much is. And what you're kind of feeling right now is not angry demonstrations. What you're feeling is more of a community coming together, trying to get to know one another, and dancing together. It feels more almost celebratory, happy of to be together, to be here. But here, certainly a very serious cause. A lot of here, I'm looking in the crowd, there was the leader of the crypts gang is here. We saw folks, the Black Panthers also here. I want to give you a look. You know, you can see, you know, some of the different folks that are here. But there are black folks. There are white folks. There are people from all different walks of life. Kids and grandparents as well. What is beautiful about this one, is you see people altogether from all these different ethnicities. They're all dancing together. The music are bringing them together here. We're expecting a lot of folks to come out and to demonstrate because there is a very serious issue that of course you know of and the world now knows of, what happened to Freddie Gray when he was in that van with police Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right. Sara Sidner, thank you so much. We are also looking at that aerial view right there of a dozen of people now marching through downtown Baltimore walking through neighborhood streets, walking through business districts, as well, on their way here. And we understand our Nick Valencia is somewhere in the crush there with many demonstrators making their way. He's joining us live now. Nick?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Good afternoon, Fred. I'm actually at the site where Freddie Gray was arrested and you see this crowd behind me has slowly been gathering over the course of probably the last 30 minutes to an hour. It's blossomed to just about a hundred people, I'd say. And among them is former Baltimore mayor, Sheila Dixon. Miss Dixon, thank you so much for being on CNN. You were, at one time, representing this as a city council. What it's like to be back? What brought you out here today?
[Sheila Dixon, Former Baltimore Mayor:] Well, I came out today because some of the young men who grew up in the community, who are friends of Freddie Gray have a message that they want to get across. They have a plan of action. They asked me to come out, to support their efforts, and I respect those young men. I want to be a part of their efforts. And I believe that we need to listen to them because I think they have what the next steps are in moving this process forward, as far as what happens in empower, continuing to empower this community.
[Valencia:] Just a handful of years ago, you were one time the head of the city in Baltimore. How have you, over the course of last several days, internalized what's happened in your city?
[Dixon:] Well, of course it brings much heart pain and distress about what's happened. Of course, first and foremost to Freddie Gray, and then, secondly, the injustice of what's happening to young African- American men all over the country. You know, people in this community who live here in Baltimore are frustrated. They have expressed it through their daily peaceful protesting and we have to continue to do that. Yesterday the decision that the state's attorney made is taking it to another step.
[Valencia:] What did you think of is that? It was very dynamic to be up there, what did you think?
[Dixon:] Not only dynamic but she had to bring forth truth and justice for injustice. And believe me, we have great officers in this city. But when you have individuals who are not following the laws and treating people right, it has to be dealt with. Not only going through the process. But in the meantime we have to continue to build on these communities that are in distress and this is one of them.
[Valencia:] And that's why people are out here to build on that message, to go forward and hopefully focus on a conversation of healing. People don't want Monday to represent the city. You saw the images, the infamous scene at the CVS, they don't want that to be a focus of the narrative here in this community. That's why you've seen people here from North Carolina, from Boston, from all across the country, to show up here, not just seek justice for Freddie Gray, they say, but also of litany of names who have been unarmed civilians who have been injured or killed at hands of police officers. This group making their way in a very short time on their way to city hall continuing on with their peaceful demonstrations Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] All right. Nick Valencia, thank you so much. Let's move on to CNN's Rene Marsh. She is at North Avenue in Pennsylvania, another location where many demonstrators have been gathering. So, Rene, what's happening there?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation And Government Regulation Correspondent:] Well, Fred, when you look around here, really looks like an average Saturday, this is a barber shop behind me. Is it open for business. They're selling t-shirts outside. And right in this intersection, I happen to bump into the man who shot that video. You may not know his name, his name is Kevin Moore, but you undoubtedly know the video that he shot. He is the one who shot that cell phone video of Freddie Gray as he was being arrested. Well, this was Kevin Moore's first television interview since the charges were filed against those six officers. Here's what he had to say about playing a hand or playing a role in all of this.
[Kevin Moore, Videotaped Freddie Gray's Arrest:] My natural instinct was to cry. I couldn't believe it. It was surreal.
[Marsh:] Why did you cry?
[Moore:] Because it's a shame, right, that it took so many people to come together and unify because my friend Freddie died. I wish we could have did it on another occasion. A black history month occasion, Martin Luther King's birthday, any other occasion, why it has to be a death of one of my friends?
[Marsh:] All right. You know, as he was walking around the neighborhood, you just would see he couldn't take a step before somebody else stopped him to say, thank you. That's all they wanted to say is thank you for being there and shooting that video. He's a part of a group called Cop Watch. He is with they essentially walk around with hand-held video cameras and when they see a situation between the police as well as someone in the community and they think that the procedure or process isn't quite right they start rolling. That's exactly what he did when he saw Freddie Gray and his interaction with police and says he will continue to do that. He also tells me that he was down here, he was protesting and that he was arrested at a certain point. He's made it out, obviously. But he said he wasn't quite sure why he was arrested and he's not quite sure if after shooting that video he will become a target of police but he said he doesn't care. He will continue to do what he has been doing, which is walking around town, and in his words, his camera will be fully locked and loaded and ready to shoot if he sees another incident. Fred?
[Whitfield:] All right. Rene Marsh, thank you so much. Impactful words coming from Kevin Moore there who captured those images. And out thanks to Nick Valencia and his interview with the former mayor, Sheila Dixon, as well as Sara Sidner in the crowd. We are going to check back with them. So we have heard from the former Baltimore mayor, Kurt Schmoke, we have heard the former mayor Dixon and we are anxious to hear more from the current mayor. Stephanie Rawlings-Blake has already came out. She already came out after that press conference from the state attorney saying that she was sickened to hear about the charges imposed on the six officers. But we still invite her to come on the program. I was scheduled interview her yesterday and of course because of the events yesterday that was canceled. We're still inviting ex tending our invitation from the mayor to hear her sentiment on what now for this case and for this city. All right, let's talk more about the case. And what about the relationship between police and the community here? I'm joined by Joey Jackson, he is HLN's legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. Also with me, Cheryl Dorsey, retired Los Angeles police sergeant and a member of the national coalition of law enforcement officers for justice. All right, good to see both of you again. So as we talk about dozens if not hundreds, maybe thousands of people, who will be walking through the city, neighborhoods, business districts and ending up here at city hall, they will be met by a very significant presence of Baltimore police, police from neighboring communities, I saw Howard county, which is a neighboring county here and they're also going to see National Guard. So Cheryl, what is the message that ends up being sent to demonstrators in the community here when you have six police officers who are charged in the death of a 25-year-old unarmed man and, at the same time, the police are here in place to help maintain peace?
[Cheryl Dorsey, Retired Lapd Police Sergeant:] Well, I hope the message is that when we find wrong doers we're going to do right thing. And so, we'll honor those officers doing their job diligently, professionally, treating people with compassion and empathy, as I'm sure most of the officers on the Baltimore police department do. But when we run across those rare few that use excessive force and abuse people under the color of authority, then we'll deal with them appropriately. And so, I don't have any inclination to think that these officers here today are going to do anything except be professional in the discharge of their duties as they deal with protesters that are coming.
[Whitfield:] All right. Joey, I'm going to ask you a few questions in a moment, as well. Cheryl, thanks so much. I have to go to Sunlen Serfaty in Washington with more news Sunlen.
[Sunlen Serfaty, Cnn National Correspondent:] Thanks, Fred. And we'll continue our coverage in Baltimore in just a moment. But first, breaking news out of London. We're seeing right now the first picture of the new royal family, an eight-pound, three-ounce baby girl was just born at 8:34 a.m. London time this morning. There you see the duchess of Cambridge and Prince William walking out of the wing of the hospital. Let's also get to CNN's Erin McLaughlin who is outside of Kensington palace. I have to say, this is a pretty stunning picture with the new baby girl. Let's listen in to the crowd right now. Crowds have been outside for a few days. They're waiting for birth of this baby girl. The duchess of Cambridge gave birth at 8:34 a.m. this morning London time and leaving the hospital, nine hours later. We know that earlier today they got a visit from prince George. The prince was brought by prince William into the hospital to meet his new, younger sister. A brief photo op with the new royal family. They will go from here back to Kensington palace. But this is the debut of their new baby girl. Much anticipated. And it will be interesting to see, you see the range rover pull up in front of the hospital. Last time in July of 2013, when Prince George was born, we saw Prince William, a likable moment, he got out and carried the car seat around, he kind of fumbled a little bit with the car seat. And put prince George in the back. It will be interesting to see if we see him do the same thing with the new baby girl. Now I want to go to CNN's Erin McLaughlin outside Kensington palace. Erin, tell me the mood there. OK. We're having problems connecting with Erin. But as you can see, this was moments ago. The duchess of Cambridge holding her new baby girl. We know that baby girl was eight pounds, three ounces, born I should say just nine hours ago. Pretty remarkable that we're seeing the duchess walk down those steps carrying her new baby girl. Once the announcement was made there was a formal announcement this morning. The formal announcement put out on easel in front of Kensington palace formally announcing the birth of this baby girl. We have, you know, that the baby girl was eight pounds three ounces, this is their second child. Prince George was born two years ago, July of 2013. And much has been said, of course, about the way prince William and the duchess of Cambridge have really become and grown into their role as a family. They've taken certain steps, of course, to define themselves as new parents and much anticipation, of course. There were fans and reporters lining up outside of the window wing in the Saint Mary's hospital outside of London waiting for the birth of this new baby. And it was a surprise today when it was announced that this is a new baby girl, the duchess and Prince William did not know the sex ahead of time. So they just learned it this morning when the duchess gave birth. There you are seeing, this happened just moments ago, coming out of the hospital. We do have CNN's Erin McLaughlin outside of the palace. Erin, what's the mood?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi. Can I say can I just say what a beautiful, beautiful family. People here outside Buckingham palace could not be happier for Kate and William and their brand-new baby girl. And this is a day that is truly steeped in history as well. Joining me now is royal historian Kate Williams. Kate, what do you think of all of this? This is a truly historic moment.
[Kate Williams, Royal Historian:] Truly historic moment. That's part of the excitement of the crowds here, cueing up to see the birth announcement because they are seeing a part of history. This will be possibly a future queen, but certainly a very significant member of the royal family and they will be responsible for taking the royal family through into our new century.
[Mclaughlin:] And talk to me, there has been so much speculation about potential name for the royal baby girl. We don't know the name yet.
[Williams:] We don't know the name yet. Huge amounts of money here in Britain. We are fond on betting on names, have been betting on names. The front-runner is now Charlotte, that is ahead, I believe, Allison Charlotte always been quite far forward. What the royals are looking for are very traditional names that was used before. So we probably won't see something completely out there, nothing invented but that's what Victoria's name was when she was christened. But actually, what we've got here is Elizabeth, the queen's name, Alice is the Prince Philip's mother, an also a child of Victoria, lovely name. Here they are.
[Mclaughlin:] Here we go. They're leaving now. There's prince William with his brand-new baby girl. Let's make sure he gets the car seat right.
[Williams:] He did it so well with prince William, put in the car seat marvelously. There he goes. So they are, of course, most people would say, in the hospital for the night but want to go, they want to get back to Kensington and they will probably go to Norfolk tomorrow.
[Mclaughlin:] I don't think was the duchess joining him? I may have missed that.
[Williams:] No I didn't see her get in.
[Mclaughlin:] I didn't see her get into the car. And there they go. This is a royal baby girl, certainly something that Prince Charles said he wanted. Queen Elizabeth certainly wanted. It is a royal baby girl something that Princess Diana would have wanted as well.
[Williams:] Definitely. We know that Diana wanted a daughter. We know that Prince Charles has said he wants a granddaughter. We could see the joy on the queen's face today when she was wearing pink, smiling away. I think the family are completely delighted. Of course, they would have been pleased with a son. But a daughter is really delightful. And I know a lot of historians would rather hoping for it is a boy when it was Prince George, but it would have been a female monarch. But still, it's so marvelous to see a little princess. And I think so many little girls in Britain, they adore princesses, princess crazy, they're going to be the princess of Cambridge crazy.
[Mclaughlin:] Kate Williams, thank you so much. Back to you. London is celebrating tonight the birth of a brand-new baby girl.
[Serfaty:] Thanks, Erin. And we will have more from our coverage live out of Baltimore coming up after the break.

[Banfield:] Every time we think about this story of the baby who was left in that hot car and ultimately died after seven hours, the story cannot get more bizarre and it can't get more heartbreaking either. Something new seems to come out and crush us all over again. And here's what I'm talking about today. According to the police, a source within the police, they believe the father of the baby boy who died in his sweltering hot SUV, that father allegedly searched the Internet for information about animals dying in hot cars prior to this happening. Let's try to get your head around that for a moment. Someone using Justin Ross Harris' computer at work was interested in how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car. That's the exact way that Harris' son Cooper died. He was strapped inside his car seat inside his dad's car for seven hours on a boiling hot Atlanta day. CNN's Victor Blackwell has been on this terribly tragic story from the beginning. And also with me is victim's rights attorney Gloria Allred and CNN legal analyst Danny Cevallos. Victor, I want to start with you. Look, the charge came out fairly quick. It was murder. And it was a child abuse charge that was somewhat altered as well. It might just have been logistically altered. But why was it do we know why was it that charge came quickly? Did it have to do with this Internet search for how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car?
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, police say initially what made them suspicious were the answers that dad was giving on the scene. And then when they came back here to police headquarters to question him, the story just fell apart from there. Now, in relation to the searches there, we don't know if Justin Ross Harris conducted the search himself or when that happened. Only that, according to these sources, police found those searches on the computer. But here's what, you know, the other attorneys who were on the panel today can help me understand. I mean they're the attorneys. If police believe that Harris conducted these searches, that would point toward premeditation. But there was that downgrade of the child cruelty charge from first degree, which is malice intent, to second degree, which is simple negligence. Just they don't seem to correspond.
[Banfield:] Well, interestingly enough, as I read through this, and you two are far better with statute than I am, it looked as though the higher level child abuse charge required a withholding of food and water. It was sort of simple logistics issue and then to downgrade it would fit these circumstances, this fact pattern better, if in fact the fact pattern is true. But, Gloria, I want to ask you something. The fact that someone does a search on the Internet prior to a crime is not new. It has popped up in almost every case I've covered in the last 10 years. Police are good at this. Crooks are not. But it doesn't mean a slam dunk.
[Gloria Allred, Victims' Rights Attorney:] Right. We saw the Scott Peterson case, in that case he was convicted.
[Banfield:] We saw it in Casey Anthony too.
[Allred:] In that case, she was acquitted, so we don't know. As has just been pointed out, we don't know when the search was conducted. We don't know who conducted it. If it was at his workplace, maybe somebody else used his computer. We don't know. We can go to certain assumption, but do we know for a fact yet? No. Are these going to be the only charges? Are they going to be amended at some point? We don't know that yet either. But it certainly is not a good fact for him, at least for the potential jury pool, that that fact about the animals and how long they can live in a hot car. That's not a good fact in terms of influencing a potential jury pool.
[Banfield:] This whole notion of searching for ways to die before somebody near you mysteriously dies and you end up charged with a killing. Sometimes it's just the specifics of how the victim died. I cover a case in Florida where Justin Barber shot his wife and shot himself I think five times and miraculously survived. On his hard drive was a search for how to shoot yourself and survive. That is so specific to that crime. Isn't that a case where it's just better evidence, in terms of it doesn't matter at this point who was searching, it's pretty clear there's a nexus there?
[Cevallos:] Internet searches are fascinating as evidence because they're a glimpse into the meanderings of our mind. If you think about everything you've searched for, does it really draw an accurate picture of who you are? It's easy to take of all the Internet searches we do and men, all the Internet searches, we search some pretty horrific things. If you looked at mine, it might be all murders and mayhem. It's a difficult thing. Are they admissible as evidence? Yes, if they're authenticated. What do they really tell us about intent? And certainly if you isolate one search, this sounds like a very speck one, the one you talked about, very specific, and I think very damning. But, again, you have to look at Internet searches as a whole. You think about them, they really are the meanderings our curious mind.
[Banfield:] This is a semipublic computer, what a perfect way to frame someone for something that might happen, although it's pretty odd, this circumstance and how that child died. But it is something to keep in mind, other people can do things to certainly make your life difficult. Thank you, both. If you could stick around, I've got a couple of other things. Victor Blackwell, as always, excellent reporting, thank you. A boy discovered in his family's basement after disappearing for 11 days, found in his own basement. Now the investigators are talking to that boy, and his parents are trying to piece together what happened as well. So where will the evidence lead them? We've got the very latest on this very unusual case. Plus, have those parents seen that boy yet? It's a bit of a mystery.

[Michael Blane, Former Lieutenant, Clinton Correctional Center:] I couldn't believe it. I was I thought I didn't think it was real at the beginning.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] Because now you're safe, too. All right Poppy, I'll send it back to you. But as you can see the inmates are probably watching this at the same time and I know in the maximum security facilities I have been here in New York, I've been to Sing Sing recently, they do have television and they can buy their own televisions. And so they are watching this unfold knowing that one of their own was captured and will be going back to a maximum security prison in the state of New York as soon as they probably get out of the hospital, Poppy.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Jean Casarez, thank you very much. I do want to let our viewers know that for the first time since David Sweat escaped from prison 23 days ago his mother, his mother Pamela Sweat has spoken, she spoke with local media. We are turning that interview. As soon as I hear we can air it for you, you will see it as we see it for the first time. Stay with us for that. Also, you see at the bottom of your screen, we are waiting for a press conference from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo who is going to be speaking there in upstate New York about what we know. We're still waiting for a number of key questions to be answered. We're still waiting to find out what the condition is of David Sweat. We know he was shot twice running across the field. What are what is the extent of his injuries? Have they been able to ask him any questions? Have they been able to determine whether or not he was with Richard Matt who was shot and killed by police 48 hours ago on Friday evening? If he was with him, when did the two of them separate? How did he hide out for so long in that camouflage gear? All of these questions we we're hoping to get some answers from the governor. He will also be joined at this press conference by New York State Trooper, Police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico. He will be joining the governor. We are awaiting that press conference. It is nearly the top of the hour, 7:00 Eastern, CNN Breaking News.
[Harlow: 7:] 00 Eastern. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Captured, fugitive David Sweat is now in the hands of police. Take a look at this photo obtained exclusively by our Deborah Feyerick. It was taken just moments after Sweat was shot and captured this afternoon by a New York State Trooper. We have also just learned the name of the officer who shot him. His name is Sergeant Jay Cook. You're looking at a photo of him now. He is with the New York state police. Any moment, police and New York governor Andrew Cuomo will address the media live in a press conference in Malone, New York just a short distance away. Sweat was being treated inside of a local medical center Alice Hyde Medical Center. He is on the move right now though he has been taken to Albany a bigger facility there where he can be treated. He has been on the run for 23 days he was taken into police custody just 2 miles from the Canadian border. And just 30 miles away from the prison where he escaped, he was walking down the road at 3:20 this afternoon raw day light that is when he was stopped, he fled across the field and he was shot twice. But he was taken in to custody alive. Alexandra Field joins me now live in Constable, New York. Alex what are the authorities on the ground there saying?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well they're still at that field Poppy. They are bringing in there forensic investigators, they've got to do all the processing of that deal before they can clear out of here. But what we are seeing is just this sort of resounding side relief. They had 1300 law enforcement officers who were involved in this. They had, you know, more than 2,000 tips that were called in leading to various leads which set law enforcement officers on the trail of both Richard Matt and David Sweat. But in the end this was the New York State Police's investigation. And it was a New York State police sergeant who laid eyes on David Sweat in a field just about 2 miles down the road from where I am standing. We're told by law enforcement sources that David Sweat took off running, we are told that he did not appeared to be armed. But we are told that when he ran he was shot by that officer. We know now that he was taking into custody. He remains alive. He was taken to a local hospital, then to be transported to in Albany Hospital where they have a level one trauma center. This is just a collective side of relief though in this community Poppy and in communities all around the North Country. These are people who've been need to live on edge for more than three weeks now, knowing that they had two fugitives hiding out in their woods. There was a trail for investigators to follow. Over the last week a series of breaks in this case, investigators finding several cabins which with signs of burglary and then finding evidence that connected those cabins to the fugitives on the lose. What we saw over the last two days Poppy, since Richard Matt was taken down by a tactical unit, that swopped in via helicopter to take him out was an intense concentration on the area where they found Richard Matt. Early on you'll remember that they found a second set of tracks near Matt. Investigators hoped that that would lead them to David Sweat. They operated under the assumption from the beginning of this investigation that these two convicted killers where traveling together. They established a 22 mile search area. They comb through it, they did a grid search, they did not give up on the possibility that he remained in the region. Today, they find him just south of the Canadian border. Investigators publically said earlier this week they believe that both man had every intention of crossing that border. How did they get here, how did David Sweat get here on foot, it would certainly seemed there was the trail of cabins connected to the fugitives. And also this vast network of old railroad beds crisscrossing the Adirondack Park, Poppy when you speak to the locals in Constable which we've been doing since we've been on the ground here. They will tell you that's almost a straight shot if you follow the railroad that from Lake Titus, the area where Richard Matt was found to the spot where David Sweat was shot and apprehended by authorities.
[Harlow:] And Alex what we're hearing is that no, I mean luckily no officers were injured, whatsoever in this takedown is that right?
[Field:] Absolutely. And again, we are being told by law enforcement sources here at CNN that David Sweat was not armed. We know that Richard Matt was armed that he had a shotgun that he had taken from one of the cabins that had been burglarized when the tactical unit surrounded him and told to put his hands up he did not, that's why they shot Richard Matt. Richard Matt, never got a shot off at police officers. Now we learned that David Sweat didn't either. This was the main priority throughout the course of this very intense manhunt. That the 1300 law enforcement officers on the ground would be safe, would be protected and that those in this community would be as well. And that's why you're hearing just so many people expressing their relief and also their gratitude to law enforcement officers. We've been seeing this in the weeks that we've been up here Poppy, just a number of local restaurants, hotels putting out food for law enforcement officers doing the things that they can to try and accommodate the people here to keep safe.
[Harlow:] And Alex, you and your entire team have done an extraordinary job reporting for three week straight in all of these and the law enforcement deserves a lot of credit for all they have done. Thank you, Alexandra Field. What you're looking at on your screen live pictures of this press conference just about to begin. It is being held at the Titus Mountain Ski Resort in Malone New York, right up by where David Sweat was captured. We're going to hearing from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. We are also going to hear from New York State Police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico as we wait for this press conference to begin. A number of questions that everyone wants answers too. The first question obviously a lot of people want answers to is, is David Sweat in a condition to talk, is he telling police anything about how this happened, how he and Richard Matt were able to escape from a maximum security prison 23 days ago. Let's listen in to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo.
[Andrew Cuomo, New York Governor:] Thank you.
[Unidentified Female:] Yeah.
[Cuomo:] Well we are here with good news as I'm sure you've heard already the nightmare is finally over. It took 22 days but we can now confirm as of two days ago, as you know, Mr. Matt is deceased and the other escapee, Mr. Sweat, is in custody. He is in stable condition. And we let's give a big round of applause to the men and women of law enforcement for doing a great job. It has been a long, long time but as you've heard, and the Superintendent will go into further detail, Mr. Sweat was spotted by a New York State Police sergeant. Sergeant Jay Cook. He was approached this afternoon. The Sergeant recognized Mr. Sweat obviously from his description. He encountered and engaged Mr. Sweat. Mr. Sweat fled. The Trooper gave chase. The Trooper was unable to catch him on foot. At one point, the sergeant decided to discharge his weapon, hitting Mr. Sweat twice in the torso. Mr. Sweat went down, help arrived and Mr. Sweat is now in a hospital in stable condition. This happened to mile and a half from the Canadian border in the Town of Constable. I had a chance to speak with Sergeant Cook and congratulate him on his great police work. He was alone when this happened. Sergeant Cook happens to be from Troop B, which is this area, so he knew the area very well. But he was still alone and it was a very courageous act. I said to Sergeant Cook, who has two daughters 16 and 17, I said well, you to go home tonight and tell your daughters that you're a hero. With teenage girls, that will probably last a good 24 hours and then you just you can go back to being a regular dad, as I well know. This was an extraordinary situation in many ways. The prison at Dannemora is over 100-years-old. This is the first escape in 100 years. And if you were writing a movie plot, they would say that this was overdone. You had hacksaws delivered with a by a facilitator in a ground-up meat. You had two prisoners who were on the honor block. They hack-sawed through the back of their cell, they got into the catwalks. The catwalks took them into a labyrinth of tunnels where they came across a contractor's job box, large tool box. One of the prisoners was a burglar, knew how to pick the lock, picked the lock repeatedly. They used those tools then to do the work of breaking the wall, cutting the pipe, cutting the chains and making way to the sewer pipe. The It was an extraordinary circumstance. And the first escape in over 100 years but one escape is one escape too many. We will have the ongoing investigation to find out exactly who was involved. We have two people who have been arrested for facilitation or accomplices in this situation, but the investigation is not over. Now that we have Mr. Sweat, it gives us the opportunity to ask some more questions and provide more facts on the overall situation. Anyone who we find who was culpable and guilty of cooperating in this escape will be fully prosecuted. The D.A.'s have done a great job, of both Franklin and Clinton County. And I want to thank them, but we will prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. If anyone else who was involved, we will find that. We will also be conducting an investigation into the systems in that prison and how could this happen and how did they have access to the catwalk et cetera. So there are a lot of questions to be answered and we have already started a full investigation that's being headed by the inspector generals of the State of New York. But today ends with good news. These were really dangerous, dangerous men, both Matt and Sweat. They were killers. Mr. Matt killed at least two people, Mr. Sweat killed a sheriff's deputy in Broome County in a savage, savage way. So these were dangerous people. But they we could not tolerate them being on the loose. The terrain was very difficult. This prison happens to be located in a heavily forested area, so it was an extraordinarily difficult row to hoe so to speak. And this was an unprecedented coming together of law enforcement on every level. We had local law enforcement; we had federal law enforcement, state assets all working together, hand in glove with gears meshing. And I would just want to thank the Department of Corrections SORT team, headed by Colonel Bradford, the New York State En-Con Police, headed by Captain Chafia, the Forest Rangers, the FBI which did a an outstanding job. I spoke on the phone to Agent Vale and Agent Tim Dunham who is with us today and I want to thank them. The U.S. Marshals, the Clinton County Sheriff's Office, the Clinton County D.A., the Franklin County Sheriff's Office, Franklin County District Attorney's Office, Plattsburgh Police, Vermont State Police, Governor Peter Shumlin who was extraordinarily cooperative visited the prison, brought Vermont assets to work hand in glove with New York., the DHSES, Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection which did an outstanding job in apprehending Mr. Matt two days ago, Washington County Sheriff's Office and the Saint Regis Mohawk Tribal assets. We want to thank them all very much. And last but not the least, I want to thank the people of State of New York who were as usual stepped up to the challenge, people in Franklin County, Clinton County they had all sorts of leads, they were on the lookout. Law enforcement did not end here. Every citizen did their job and they did it bravely, and they did it courageously, and they dealt with the increased police presence and the fear, frankly, of having to go three weeks knowing that there were murderers loose in your backyards. But New Yorkers are tough and they stepped right up. They stepped up to the challenge, they provided help and they stood with us every step of the way. I want to thank the people in Franklin and Clinton County personally for their courage and every law enforcement officer literally thousands of law enforcement officers were engaged in this. And it is nice when it ends well. And we said that we're going to have a celebration at the appropriate time, but that everyone goes home safe and the escapees have been dealt with. You could not have a better ending. We wish it did not happen in the first place, but if you have to have it happen, this is the way you want it to end. Another round of applause for the men and women of law enforcement. And now I turn you over to Superintendent Joseph D'Amico who runs the New York State Police Superintendent.
[Joseph D'amico, Superintendent New York State Police:] Thank you governor. Good afternoon. I'll give you the facts that I know but I just caution that the shooting investigation into the apprehension of David Sweat is on going. So I'll give you whatever I do know though. About 3:20 today, Sergeant Jay Cook who's assigned to troop B, spent most of his career right here in S.P. Malone, a 21-year veteran, was on patrol. He was supervising perimeter post up in the area in our continued ground search. As he was driving down the road he spotted a male who is basically jogging up along the side of the road. He approached him. And as he exited the car the male turned to him. He says "Hey, come over here." The male kind of ignored him, called out to him again. At which time the male turned around kind of like, you know, what do you want from me? And he recognized him to be David Sweat. And at that time, Sweat turned and fled on foot with the sergeant in pursuit. At some point running across a field, he realized that Sweat was going to make it to a tree line and possibly could have disappeared and he fired two shots from his service weapon, his handgun, hitting Sweat twice in the torso. Local EMS team responded and treated Sweat on the scene. He was airlifted to Alice Hyde Hospital and he's in stable condition. And I would expect that he's going to be moved to one of those trauma centers for further treatment. We've been in the area, as I told you on Friday. We started up at the northern border near the Canadian border. This event took place about a mile and a half from the Canadian border. Our concern was that they could have made it to the border and we were pushing southward from the border. And I think that it was effective today being in the right area, where Sweat was. I could only assume he was going for the border that he was that close and we couldn't be happier that we were able to apprehend him and not lose him. It's been a long three weeks. We had done some investigation of the mad shooting and found it was a camp that we located where we thought maybe they bed down up in the area of route 41 in Malone. And we were able to obtain some DNA off discarded material there that came back to David Sweat. It was a picnic style pepper shakers. And we believe that possibly these two males were using pepper to throw the scent off for the dogs who tracking them. And we did have difficulty tracking so, you know, it was fairly effective in that respect. So I just want to echo the words of the governor, thank my law enforcement partners, tremendous effort. You know, I've seen them out here over the last three weeks in the fields, 24 hours a day, in the rain and cold and the swamps and the woods, a tremendous effort by all our partners in law enforcement. I also want to single out our on scene commander, Major Charles Guest who has been the face of the State Police over the last three weeks, tremendous leader. He has really done a phenomenal job over the last three weeks leading our ground troops and coordinating with our PCI, our investigator sides. You know, we track down over 2500 leads coming in from the community. We appreciate the partnership that we received from all the community members. It's a team effort. Its law enforcement and the community working together, I think that was effective here. Again I said it the other day. I appreciate the support that everyone has shown us and the patience that they've had. Hopefully on everybody's life can get back to normal. But at this time, I guess we'd be willing to take questions.
[Unidentified Male:] When Mr. Sweat was captured, well north it seemed of the search area, the heart of it. And I was told that you were hammering that area of the last day or two. So can you tell us what led you to suspect that he might be so far?
[D'amico:] Well, you know, at the time when we located Matt we were already searching from basically the Canadian border southward. We had moved our deployment sometime around last Thursday. After the burglary we figured we'd go further north and push the event they might go for Canada. This was right in that search area, it was approximately 16 miles north of where Matt was shot and killed.
[Unidentified Male:] Superintendent, was Sweat armed and with what, and are injured within to the extent that he won't be able to speak and talk to the authority, haven't said anything either to the officer that the Sergeant Cook being shot and after since he came in custody.
[D'amico:] Well, his injuries, he was shot twice in the torso and he's considered in stable condition. He hasn't been interviewed by our investigators. Obviously we're looking to interview him, there's a lot of blank spaces between the time they left Dannemora prison three weeks ago and when they were apprehended. And we would like to fill in some of those spaces. And I'm guessing at some point, you know, we'll be able to do some of that.
[Unidentified Male:] ... was he armed?
[D'amico:] He was not armed at the time he was apprehended though.
[Unidentified Male:] Superintendent, can you confirm that you saw him had an interaction with him and called in a tip and that led in to the sergeant finding him. Is that how that went down?
[D'amico:] Not today. Today was routine patrol by the sergeant who spotted him on the side of the road and some good heads up police work by the sergeant, very alert. He was by himself supervising perimeter posts as a sergeant. He approached him, he did an excellent job, I think he did a courageous and brave act of policing and as the governor said we've commended him. And I couldn't be prouder of him.
[Unidentified Male:] Superintendent, how the 22 mile radius lockdown pretty tight yesterday. How did Sweat get so far from that area, is it possible, how did he get up that way?
[D'amico:] You know, you've been around for the last three weeks like we have. The terrain is so dense you can't see five feet in front of you. So I mean if you stayed in the tree line, you know, use something as a guide to whether a road or rail bed or anything else, you know, could make your way. In this case, like I said, if you stayed in the tree line you wouldn't have been able to see him from the road. So it's not impossible.
[Unidentified Male:] Superintendent, were there standing orders to the 1300 of law enforcement that if Sweat was spotted and he did surrendered to shoot him as supposed to letting him run away.
[D'amico:] No, absolutely no. I mean our intention as law enforcement was to bring him in without having to use force. You know, sometimes as in the case of Matt, you know, where he was armed and presented a threat, sometime force is necessary. It's a dangerous job that our law enforcement officers do. And in the case today of sweat, I mean if Sweat made the tree line and would be you know, would have been gone, you know, who knows what kind of damage. You know, its kind of I'm just thankful, three weeks no innocent civilians, no innocent law enforcement were hurt.
[Unidentified Male:] Superintendent, is there any indication that they were together, close by each other, you know, [inaudible] when was Matt was shot, did they split up at some point?
[D'amico:] Well, obviously, you know, since they escaped there was a time when they were together and there was a time when they split apart. You know, when was it, I couldn't say for sure other than the fact that Sweat's DNA was recovered in the area of that to kind of route 41 burglary. So, you know, it's to north from there, very possible.
[Unidentified Male:] All right they'll split around with that. Thank you everyone. Thank you all very much. One more round of applause for our partners who were all here and with the New York State police, thank you.
[Harlow:] All right, you have just been watching a live press conference held there in upstate New York with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo as well as the New York State Police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico. The governor shaking the hands of all of the law enforcement officers, so many of whom have worked so hard over the last three weeks to help. Let me recap for you because a lot of breaking news coming out to this press conference. First what we have learned David Sweat was shot twice in the torso. We are told that he is in stable condition. We are told that he was alone when he was captured this afternoon at 3:20 in the afternoon. He was captured just 1 12 miles from the Canadian border. Again shot in the torso, he is in stable condition. We are also told from the New York State Superintendent of police there that he has not yet been interviewed. He has not yet been interviewed. You're looking at a picture of him obtained by our Deborah Feyerick right after he was shot. But we are told he is in stable condition. He is being treated at a hospital on his way to a hospital on Albany. Also what we have learned is that it was Sergeant Cook who the governor just lotted as a hero, who spotted him on a typical routine patrol and was able to identify him and then he was shot twice and taken down. We also know, we are told now by police that Sweat was captured 16 miles north of where his follow convict and escapee Richard Matt was shot and killed on Friday late in the afternoon, 16 miles away. What we have not yet found out, is how long they were together, whether they split up on Friday when Matt was shot or whether they split up a long time ago. One other thing, fascinating detail that we learned from the Officer Superintendent Joseph D'Amico in that press conference, DNA of Sweat was found in a matted down area in the region. And they found what he described as picnic style pepper shakers that authorities believe were used to throw off the scent of their trail saying that it was effective, very effective. And as you all remember through this the authorities kept saying they were loosing that scent, the blood hounds were loosing the scent trail. Now it is believed that they used pepper shakers to cover their scent just unbelievable. One of our producers on the line with me Shimon, are you there?
[Shimon Prokupecz, Cnn Producer:] I'm here Poppy.
[Harlow:] Shimon, what do you make up all of these? We'll that's pretty it's pretty courageous and he sound like the pepper shaker. Then it also shows just how well planned I think Matt and Sweat were for this. I think investigators have been spending sometime with the jail, talking to jail guards, talking to inmates, talking to staff of the jail. And are learning that perhaps Matt and Sweat were, well prepared for this and had initially thought there has been a lot of talk at the jail about this. Matt and Sweat has spend sometime talking to guards about what life was like outside of the prison, you know, sort of the area where they went hunting. So, you know, investigators are starting to learn a lot more about how much they went here how much when did they planning this for them. And, you know, just how much sort of I don't know, I guess it's a lock of a better words, intelligent, you know, that these two escapees were doing sort of the information gathering that they were doing before they escaped. Yeah, it is just incredible. Shimon, thank you, stay with me. Deborah Feyerick, I just wanted to get your reaction in, we got to read a quote from a transcript here of what Governor Cuomo said as we turn the sound because I want you to hear this, if you're just joining us just wrapping up the press conference near Governor Andrew Cuomo and the head of the New York State police leading this press conference, talking about some new details about how this capture went down. He went into detail for the first time, I believe Deborah on sort of getting to this lock box. So let me read this from the governor, talking about Matt and Sweat and how they got out of this prison "They got into the catwalks, taking them to tunnels, where they came across a contractor's job box a large tool box. One of the prisoners was a burglar, he knew how to pick the lock, he picked locks repeatedly. They used those tools then to do the work of breaking the wall, cutting the pipe, cutting the chains and making way to the sewer. It was an extraordinary circumstance. And the first escape in over 100 years, now we know more."
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] Right well one of the first thing that jumps out to me. First of all, they say one of the prisoners was a burglar, we know that Richard Matt in fact had some expertise at breaking in things. But also just the sloppiness of the contractor leaving a tool box in the catwalk, a catwalk very well known not only to these two but to all of the prisoners in that facility. That was the first thing that jumped out at me. The second thing is that when you think of all of the sources that we're brought to bare up in that area, the one who shot him was alone lived in the area for 21 years, New York State police officer sergeant, and he saw David Sweat called out to him, Sweat kept going, called out to him again. Sweat turned around, that's when he recognized him and although there was a short chase it wasn't until David Sweat was running towards that tree line that the officer opened fire. He shot two times he hit David Sweat both times and still managed not to kill him. So that in and on itself is remarkable. The fact that David Sweat was wearing this camouflaged gear all right meant that once he got to that tree line that again would've been a game changer. And you have to wonder given the weather, given the conditions of the terrain whether in fact David Sweat took a calculated risk that his chances were better if he simply got on to the road looking like an ordinary hunter and, you know, assuming that he was far up north, far in up north that he won't be spotted. That he won't be seen. But that the sergeant was alone and actually was the one who shot and took him down is remarkable that he was only a mile and a half from the Canadian border which would have been another game changer. We've talked about this game changers a lot. So all of this to me is just is it remarkable and one thing that I do want to point out and that also is that the DNA from Matt and Sweat was identified together a week ago.
[Harlow:] Yeah.
[Feyerick:] So nobody in an indication whether in fact they were still together after that...
[Harlow:] Right.
[Feyerick:] ... with discovery of the DNA together. Now it could have been that once Richard Matt opened fire at that camper, all right and essentially exposed his position that maybe that's when he either told Sweat to start taking off to run whatever. But at that point.
[Harlow:] Right
[Feyerick:] You know, it's like sending up a flare. Somebody is going to respond.
[Harlow:] Absolutely.
[Feyerick:] That's when you have chances of escaping or better apart then they would have been together.
[Harlow:] Very quickly I want to get Tom Fuentes former FBI, Assistant Director. Tom, can you just react to the fact that we are now told that it appears that they used pepper shakers to cover up their scent?
[Thomas Fuentes, Former Assistant Director:] Yeah, that sounds a little bit funny to me that the dogs wouldn't then follow the pepper scent but, you know, again we talked about this early on. Some people thought, I think dogs are the greatest think and sometimes they just don't keep the scent and aren't able to track. And, you know, unfortunately this is a situation where it took 1,200 officers in the woods and on patrol, overseeing those officers to actually do it the old fashion way, without the dogs and without the infrared in the helicopters. Both techniques didn't help them as much as just having officers out there and mass being able to see him. Secondly I think that that officer looking at the heavy jacket that he was wearing that the victim was wearing. I think he was shooting center of mass. I don't think he was able to deliberately, place two shots in the torso that would not be fatal. So, I think that Sweat could just as easily be dead, given that the officers running, the subject is running. Those are very difficult shots, but I give him, hit him twice is actually great shooting in and of itself.
[Harlow:] It really is your Governor Andrew Cuomo allowing his efforts, calling Sergeant Cook a hero. You are indeed a hero he said. Tom Fuentes, thank you very much. 7:30, half hour passed 7:00 here. Let's reset for you in this breaking news.
[Unidentified Male:] This is CNN Breaking News.
[Harlow:] All right. I want to update you on our Breaking News this evening. An escaped, convicted murder, someone who shot and killed the sheriff's deputy, shot him 22 times, David Sweat, has been captured alive in up state New York. New York Governor, Andrew Cuomo just wrapping a press conference where he spoke about the capture. He also revealed many new details about how Sweat and his accomplice Richard Matt escaped.
[Andrew Cuomo, New York Governor:] This was an extraordinary situation in many ways. The prison in Dannemora is over 100 years old. This is the first escape in 100 years. And if you were writing a movie plot, they would say that this was overdone. You had hacksaws delivered with a by a facilitator in ground-up meat. You had two prisoners who were on the honor block. They hacksawed through the back of their cell. They got in to the account catwalks. The catwalks took them into a labyrinth of tunnels where they came across a contractor's job box. Large toolbox. One of the prisoners was a burglar, knew how to pick the lock. Picked the lock repeatedly. They used those tools then to do the work of breaking the wall, cutting the pipe, cutting the chains, and making way through the sewer pipe The it was an extraordinary circumstance. And the first escape in over 100 years. But one escape is one escape too many.
[Harlow:] Also want to show you this new video. Brand new video into us of David Sweat being transferred by ambulance to the Albany Medical Center under great, great police guard as you can see. We are also told that he is in stable condition after being shot twice in the torso, learning in this press conference from New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo. He was twice in the torso by a New York State Police Sergeant on regular duty in the middle of the afternoon when he was spotted walking down the street. The Sergeant is this man. Jay Cook. And he was also spotted and shot just a mile and a half from the Canadian border. Sweat, let's take a look at that picture again, dressed in camouflage. We are told he was not armed. Another remarkable detail we've just learned, police say that he may have been using pepper, just typical pepper. They say picnic style pepper shakers to cover up their scent and they say that is why they believed their blood hound were having such a hard time following the scent trail consistently of these two men. We know that David Sweat was in the town of Constable, New York. This is a very rural, rural area. His capture, now brings to an end a three week, long man hunt that has gripped the nation and grip certainly the people that live in that area. As all remember just about 48 hours ago, Friday late afternoon, that is when his accomplice Richard Matt was shot and killed. For the first time we're hearing from David Sweat's mother, her name Pamela Sweat. Her first interview since her son was captured, watch.
[Pamela Sweat, David Sweat's Mother:] I felt I felt like a big lift was off my shoulders that he was captured and he is alive.
[Unidentified Female:] And again talk to me about those feelings when he was captured.
[Sweat:] And it's Just a sigh of relief and we started crying because he wasn't killed.
[Unidentified Female:] Were you ever afraid that he was going to try to come to this area while he was on the run?
[Pamela Sweat:] Oh, no. My son knows that if he would have came here I would have knocked him out and had them take him to jail by themselves because that's just the way I am. I have always done it to him when he was bad.
[Unidentified Female:] We spoke a just few weeks ago and you described to me that these problems with David really began at early age. Can you describe to me, I know it was when he was about nine-years-old. Can you describe to me when these problems began and what they were like?
[Sweat:] In the beginning, he was 9 years old and his dad brought him a broken fishing pole and tackle box that wasn't new and he got mad, and his dad told him to get down the stairs or he was going to throw him down the stairs. He went in the bedroom and he took his baseball and threw it to the window hoping it would hit his dad, and because it didn't he broke his new TV that he just got him for his birthday.
[Unidentified Female:] So the violence began at an early age obviously. And talk to me a little bit, you know, as he grew up, did he grow out of it? Did it get worse? What was it like?
[Sweat:] He always got in trouble and every time he did I would grab him by the ear and take him to the police station. Or one time he had a knife in his backpack and the school called me. They wouldn't go of his backpack. I had to. While I grabbed him by his ear right in front of everybody, took him right to the principal's office. I don't deal with that stuff.
[Unidentified Female:] So your son right now, he's 35, correct?
[Sweat:] Yeah, he just turned 35 the same day as me.
[Unidentified Female:] So, what do you think about what it's going to be like now for him to go back to prison for the rest of his life?
[Sweat:] I don't know. I know if that's where he should have stayed. And if that's what he needs to do then that's what he needs to do is go back and do what's going to do.
[Unidentified Female:] Have you been watching the media coverage, have you been watching the news outlets?
[Sweat:] I don't know. I know that's where he should have stayed. And if that's what he needs to do then that's what he needs to do, is go back and do what he's got to do.
[Unidentified Female:] Have you been watching the media coverage? Have you been watching the news outlets?
[Sweat:] No. I don't want to. I didn't want to know what's the matter with my son.
[Harlow:] A pain and grief of his mother there. Speaking with our affiliate there in Binghamton, New York. I want to go to Polo Sandoval he is on the ground in Constable, New York where David Sweat was apprehended. What do you hearing from Law enforcement there?
[Polo Sandoval, Cnn Correspondent:] Well they're posted right now. It's just road block that you see behind me Poppy. This is the closest that we can take you to the very spot where David Sweat faced off with that New York Police Sergeant. This road will take you, actually just west and then there's a road, only about a block down. If you take that North, it would be just yards from the U.S. Canadian border. And that puts things in the perspective, just how close a David Sweat surely was to crossing that international boundary. You're able to see that part of the tree line that extends further in. Part of that tree line that officers were so afraid that he was going to be able to jump into and potentially even get lost. And what truly speaks to just how unexpected, so many of these turns have been Poppy. We've seen 11 nearly 1200 police officers, saturate this area and yet a lone police Sergeant on patrol, Sergeant Jay Cook was the one that ended what was just so much pain, so much agony and concern for just so many people so you may imagine really what, not only what this means for the people that have kept their doors locked, kept their children inside. But also even for that family of Deputy Kevin Tarsia. He's from Brook County, shot and killed in 2002 by David Sweat, early on in this thing, three weeks ago in the start. And I have opportunity to speak to his supervisors. They said this that this escape basically tore open a wound that took years to heal, knowing that this very dangerous cop killer was on the run. So anybody wanted to see David Sweat back behind bars. It was not only that Deputy Tarsia's family but also his colleagues and now the people here in Upstate New York. Poppy, again, still a very active scene if you were to make your way down this road, pass that road block, you would see, really a very active crime scene still, investigators trying to make sure all their bases here. And finally, call it interesting or really just call it quite ironic, we're not told by New York City Police that Richard Matt, the inmate that was shot and killed by police officers two days ago, was taken was taken to Albany Medical Center for the autopsy to be done. And now, 48 hours later, his injured alleged accomplice, now being taken to the same facility, again, after just a very remarkable turn of events here, after three weeks, Poppy.
[Harlow:] All right. Polo Sandoval, thank you for the reporting. I want to get back to my panel here on the set. First guys, let's talk about the fact and, Deborah, beginning with you. The detail that we got from Governor Cuomo on how these guys were able to access a contractor's toolbox.
[Feyerick:] Yeah.
[Harlow:] Talk about a systemic breakdown.
[Feyerick:] It's definitely a systemic breakdown. And the interesting thing also is that, you know, all of us are sort of rolling our eyes thinking, "OK. How did two men do what they did with two hacksaws smuggled in by frozen meat?" This makes sense. A contractor left a toolbox in the catwalk, these men were accessing the catwalk, they were able to get into that toolbox, they were able to get the kinds of tools and weapons that not weapons, I'm sorry, the kind of tools that they needed to make the cuts that they did to get out.
[Unidentified Male:] Which could be used as weapons, by the way.
[Feyerick:] Absolutely, it can be used as weapons. You know, one a couple of interesting things, when you look at the picture of David Sweat also and he's wearing that camouflage gear, we just from the New York State police that, in fact, they were using pepper shakers to throw the dogs off the scent. And again, dogs are trained to pick up the scent of humans. Also interesting, the fact that he was wearing somebody else's clothing would also throw the dogs...
[Harlow:] Throw the scent dogs.
[Feyerick:] ... off the scent. And he may have been able to stay as hidden as he was because of the fact he was sticking towards the tree line. So he had access visual access to the road, but staying by the tree. And again, when you think of this trooper, this sergeant who was by himself, he is a firearms instructor, they use glock it's a glock 45 and very, very accurate. And the fact that he was able to fire twice and hit David Sweat both times is pretty impressive.
[Unidentified Male:] Absolutely. An issue on that quickly. You know, in terms of the torso shots.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Unidentified Male:] It's important to talk about it and I think Matt will corroborate this. The police officers aim for center mass and you know, you learn this just through trials involving [inaudible]. But the center of mass is to terminate the threat. A lot of people as, Poppy, "Well, why not shoot in the leg?" You want him to answer questions, you want him to be in a preserved, you know, state of physical health so you can talk to him. Well, there's a number of reasons. One thing is it's inconsistent with your training. You know, you're avoiding ricochet, you can miss because such as a small target and potentially endanger someone else. But that speaks to the issue of why center mass, why the torso. Beyond that, it is very interesting, going back to the point I've made earlier. All the assets that are our there, police officers are plenty, searching for him, it comes down to one officer, who happens to be a veteran, who happens to be very good with his gun based upon his training, experience and the fact he, you know, teaches this, and that's the officer who actually, you know, ultimately apprehended him. And if you look at this and you look at what have occurred, based upon him being in camouflage, based upon him being so close to the Canadian border, based upon him being so close to the tree line, you have to think that he did what a good deed in really brining him on the justice, shooting him, capturing him and ending this for a community in fear and certainly much anger.
[Harlow:] Yeah, absolutely.
[Unidentified Male:] Well, remember also, whenever these things happen, this is a very dynamic situation. When he first identified Sweat, his adrenaline is going, his heart is pounding. And even if he's aiming at center mass, he may in fact miss a round or two. He didn't, he hit both. And think of the irony of this.
[Harlow:] Yeah.
[Unidentified Male:] The State police run the investigation, the State police make the capture. In the sense of Matt, the customs and border protection, who's responsible for 3,000 miles of border from New York to Seattle, end up shooting and killing Matt because they're familiar with the region, they have the resources and they make the kill.
[Harlow:] Absolutely. Guys, thank you. Stay with me. I got a quick break in here. About much more of breaking news right after this.

[Gov. Nathan Deal , Georgia:] I think the thing that a lot of people don't fully comprehend now, people who drive our interstate system know this very well we have a lot of truck traffic coming up and down and out of 285, 75, 85, and I-20. We have probably an excessive amount of that truck traffic. There will be things that are going to be, I think, addressed in a more aggressive fashion with regard to how do we keep as much of that truck traffic out in a time where the weather conditions become very problematic. That will be a part of the future reforms that we would be putting in place. It requires coordination with the highway department and the Georgia State Patrol primarily.
[Reporter:] Governor, was it appropriate for you and the mayor
[Deal:] I'll answer it in just a minute. Yes.
[Reporter:] Sorry, governor. Looking ahead to the next 16 hours, obviously, you know, we talk about 1,000 and 2,000 cars still on the freeways. How confident are you that we're going to be able to get all these cars off the road? And do you think schools should be considering, like Atlanta Public Schools did just before you came in, of cancelling schools and just closing government for one more day?
[Deal:] Well, we closed it today. We will make a decision as to whether or not we close it for tomorrow. Probably, I'm thinking at this point in time, if the roadways clear up, as we hope they will, we would not necessarily call a halt to state action state government actions tomorrow. But that is always something subject to change. If the weather were to change itself.
[Reporter:] So you feel confident that we're going to be able to get all these cars off the road?
[Deal:] Yes. I am very confident that we can do that. I would like to see as many of them voluntarily removed with the assistance of the state patrol and with the assistance of the National Guard being willing to transport people to their vehicles, assist them in getting them started, with gasoline or a jump-start if those are needs that they might have. We would much prefer that people get their vehicles on their own and we certainly want to minimize the number of vehicles that actually have to be removed by wreckers. Let me get back to your question.
[Reporter:] Yes, governor, do you feel it was appropriate for you and Mayor Reed to be at that event at the Ritz Carlton as the roads were icing up yesterday?
[Deal:] I do. I went there because I was asked by Georgia Trend, who had selected Mayor Reed as the Georgia Citizen of the Year, to introduce him since I had been the recipient of that award the previous year. I think that was all together appropriate for me to do that. I did not eat lunch there. I stayed only a minimal period of time, left immediately after I introduced him and cancelled everything else that we had for the rest of the day to concentrate on this issue. Yes.
[Reporter:] Governor, governor, what do you say to the rest of the country that looks at Atlanta and says, this is just crazy.
[Deal:] Well, I think they have to, first of all, start by getting their facts right. Some of the national media outlets have been saying that Georgia still has children in school for the second night. That's wrong. Now, I understand that one of our neighboring states, who did declare a state of emergency earlier much earlier than we did, they do have children still
[Reporter:] But that aside, a city that can't move its people in a modern American city that considers itself a world Yes, it's a world destination. Why is it that they can't get home in this kind of weather?
[Deal:] Well, why is it that we don't have fully operational activities at some of the modern stations? I mean they had difficulties as well. I'm not blaming it on them. I'm just saying, we can use any excuse to make any argument that we want. We have to deal with the realities that we have.
[Reporter:] Do you think do you think this is you think that was Governor, as you pointed out yesterday, this storm hit hard around 12:30.
[Deal:] Right.
[Reporter:] But the rest of your
[Deal:] Well, let's see. I've got the colonel here.
[Unidentified Male:] I live in Raven Gap, Georgia, and my day starts at 4:00 a.m. And I was in the office by 6:30 that morning. We received the order about starting to let state employees go. And I had already started feathering my employees out at 10:00 a.m. in the morning. I let those go that lived the farthest away from Atlanta first, and we tried to maintain as much staff because even though it's a headquarters of civilians, we want to be able to be there, you know, for folks to answer the phone. One of my staff members ended up leaving at 1:00 and she lives inside of 285 and it was a five and a half hour commute for her to get home.
[Reporter:] At what time did you find out about the winter storm warning at that point?
[Unidentified Male:] As I came down, I listen to WSP in the morning. And even though the warning was out there, Curt Belish at that time was saying that it looked like Atlanta was only going to get a dusting. And so it wasn't until later in the morning that I knew that it had been shifted north and that it was going to be kind of on the bulls eye for Atlanta.
[Reporter:] Do you know at what time what time was your what time did you know there was a winter storm warning?
[Unidentified Male:] About 9:30, 10:00, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We started very early in the morning and began our planning, continued our planning throughout the day. And we were fully engaged in ensuring that if and when the time came where we needed to provide assistance, that we were well placed and that we had a plan.
[Reporter:] Were you at the command center, general?
[Unidentified Male:] I was not at the command center first thing in the morning, but later in the day.
[Reporter:] Where were you?
[Unidentified Male:] Where was I first thing in the morning? I was at my house. When I was still at my house at 12:00, but I was making my way here, which became problematic.
[Reporter:] When did you become aware that there was a winter storm warning?
[Unidentified Male:] Earlier in the morning. Not not at 3:30, but earlier in the morning. I'm a bit of a weather buff, so I was watching closely. Thank you.
[Deal:] I know you probably could continue to ask me questions all afternoon. Let me just remind you that most of you were here at I believe it was 11:00 on Tuesday evening when we had a press conference at that point in time. My staff and I continued to be here to try to do as much planning and preparations as we could. We left here about 1:30 in the morning. So we have we have put in some time. Obviously, the problem and the regrets that I have are on the front end. I am very pleased with the responses that our people made under very, very difficult circumstances. And I think that is the message we need to remember. However, there will be ongoing discussions with our agencies about what can we do better to prepare. How can we make sure that the weather forecasts that are coming out of the National Weather Service are updated in terms of our attention and in terms of our actions. I can say this to you, that we will be more aggressive. We will take those weather warnings more seriously. And there will be, as a consequence of that, probably more occasions in which we will declare emergencies where the emergency will not manifest itself. But I believe, in light of this circumstance, that we should all err on the side of being more aggressive in our predictions. So I will conclude with that. I can tell you that we will keep you updated. When we have had the thorough review of action plans for the future, we will make you aware of what those will be. And, if necessary, we will have follow-ups to let you know how successful we have been, for example, on making sure that the automobiles that were stranded there have been removed at the end of today. Thank you all.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] OK, here we go, let's take it. For the past 40 minutes, you've been listening to the governor of Georgia, Nathan Deal, speaking from the capital, just a couple blocks away from me here at CNN. I have to tell you, we've been trying to get this man to come to the building. So, instead, we sent a correspondent to him. Basically, within the first 10 seconds, we heard a major 180 from the Georgia governor, now essentially apologizing. We heard an apology yesterday from Atlanta's mayor, Kasim Reed, and now an apology from Governor Deal to all of those who have been stranded on the roadways for 12, 16, some 24 hours. We have a correspondent in that room. You heard some of his questions here. We're getting some questions answered. Some much needed questions answered from the man who ultimately oversees the state and the state oversees the highways. Let's listen back in.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] If you could give us an interview, sir, we could discuss these issues.
[Baldwin:] Just walking out. OK. We'll come back. So, more than 48 hours after a snowstorm paralyzed parts of the south, Atlanta is still digging out. There are still hundreds of abandoned cars just littering the roads, primary, secondary, highways. Hundreds have been towed. And the city is waiting for the owners to come and get them. The big question today summed up in the headline that streams across the front page of Atlanta's newspaper, "The Atlanta Journal Constitution," you see those four words there "how did this happen?" And the two men taking the most heat, we just heard from one of them, Georgia Governor Nathan Deal and Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed. You see this cartoon satirized today in a cartoon showing them making snow angels while Atlanta was in the midst of a massive icy gridlock. And we just heard from Governor Deal, appeared at a hastily arranged news conference. And right out of the gate, this man apologized.
[Gov. Nathan Deal , Georgia:] I want to start out by apologizing to those individuals who were stranded on our roadways, to those parents whose children were unable to return home in a timely fashion. I accept responsibility for the fact that we did not make preparation early enough to avoid these consequences. As a parent, I certainly understand how someone would feel if their child was either on a school bus or at a school and unable to come become home.
[Baldwin:] Did I mention we sent a correspondent to the governor. We're standing by to get him in front of a camera. A couple of questions he asked would be, is this going to happen again? And is anyone going to resign? We'll get those answers from Martin Savidge in just a minute here. Again, the governor's office just a short couple of blocks from CNN Center. And again, thus far, getting Governor Deal right here to talk to me, no dice. The invitation, Mr. Governor, still stands. So, as for today, how is Atlanta doing and what's happening with all those cars that people abandoned on the side of the roadways at the height of this mess. CNN's George Howell is at one of the tow lots where people can come claim their cars. Victor Blackwell overlooking one of the major highways in the city, the downtown connector. So, Victor Blackwell, let's just begin with you. Talk to me about the situation with these abandoned cars. There is a process today for folks to pick them up.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor And Correspondent:] Yes, very early this morning GEMA, the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, they established a civil emergency that would ask people to stay off the roads, the interstates, going through Atlanta, the metro area. And this is, as you said, the 75-85 interchange. But there has been constant traffic through this area all morning. No major problems here. There are, I can tell you, just down here, I don't know if you can see it, there's a truck that's been here and there are two cars behind it that have been sitting here all morning. So we haven't seen anyone come to pick these up. But here's the process. The Georgia National Guard, also the Georgia State Patrol, those members would actually meet people who are trying to get their cars at two different locations and then take them to their vehicle. If necessary, they'd offer them fuel to fill it up, but just a few gallons to get to a gas station, if necessary. So that process continues. But as it relates to the drive here, it's been moving smoothly all day. Again, people still trying to get the cars, like this truck and two behind it, that were abandoned on Tuesday. Brooke.
[Baldwin:] It's nice to see movement. It's the little things, Victor, isn't it, for people in Atlanta.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] And, George, to you. We know you took a drive around town this morning and still found a lot of the cars around the roadway. You're at a tow lot. Tell me people aren't having to pay to get their cars.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Brooke, you know, here's the deal. If people don't get their cars today by 9:00 p.m. Eastern Time, there is a possibility, you know, that these private tow truck companies will tow the cars. There's a possibility that people could have to pay for the cars. But that aside, you know, just talking about that news conference we just heard, it was an interesting news conference, as you mentioned. A 180 hearing from the governor. I was watching here on cnn.om just to get a sense of what it was like when we heard those questions from my colleague, Martin Savidge. We really heard the governor admitting that, you know, the response was not adequate, was not fast enough. I want to show you the situation here. They're all over it. You know, today, we are seeing the National Guard, the Georgia National Guard. They're out in force. They're helping people get to those cars. Again, at this point, we know that some 2,000 cars plus are still out there. It is a slow, but deliberate process to see people, you know, tell these guys exactly where the car is and then they take them out. They take them out in the Hummers, out to the places where they believe the cars are still located. So far we're hearing success stories of people who walked away from their cars are finding their cars. But, again, it's a process that hopefully people can get their cars before 9:00 p.m. Eastern.
[Baldwin:] Let's
[Unidentified Male:] They come here and they link up with GEMA. They'll say, hey, look, my car has been out on the road. They provide a driver's license. And they will actually do a check to see if the car has been towed, because they may not need to go out there. If the car hasn't been towed, then they bring them over here, link them up with me, and I'll put them in a Humvee with two of my drivers and send them out to their vehicles.
[Howell:] And this is a process that will continue for the next several hours. Again, people are showing up to this location. There's another one, Brooke, in the south part of the city. So, you know, again, the hope is that people will get to those cars before later today because cars could be towed and, again, people could have to pay to get their cars out.
[Baldwin:] OK, George Howell, thank you so much for the heads up there. And again, did I mention that the governor's office is mere blocks away from us here at CNN? Did I mention that the world headquarters is located here in Atlanta where I'm sitting? The governor of Georgia has been gracious enough to talk to me in person about other issues in the past. Still has not come down to talk to us here at CNN. Well, let me tell you, Martin Savidge, who was just throwing some questions at the governor in that news conference, asked him the very question we want an answer to, why are you not talking to CNN? That answer on the other side of the break.

[Kristie Lu Stout:] And welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet. Now the clock is ticking. U.S. lawmakers still have not agreed on a plan to raise the debt ceiling. A powerful storm strikes Japan. A small island south of Tokyo is hit hard. And Sarajevo celebrates as Bosnia-Herzegovina qualifies for its first ever World Cup. Now the U.S. is creeping dangerously close to defaulting on its debts. With only hours to go now until the U.S. hits the debt ceiling. There's been a lot of talk, but so far little concrete action on Capitol Hill. Now lawmakers are trying to reach compromise on a bill to end the paralysis in government before midnight when the Treasury says the money starts running out. But lawmakers, they went home last night without a deal to allow more government borrowing after October 17. Now still Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. Senate say they may be close, but would any deal fly among House Republicans? Now Jim Acosta is following all the developments from Washington.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Time is running out, the debt ceiling is in sight and the last best hope avenue voiding a potential default once again rests with Senate leaders Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell, who were back to working on a last-minute deal.
[Rep. Charlie Dent , Pennsylvania:] John Boehner will likely be in a situation where he will have to essentially pass the bill that is negotiated between Senators McConnell and Reid, and I believe that the House will first pass it and send it to the Senate.
[Acosta:] President Obama called for quick action.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We don't have a whole lot of time so what I'm suggesting to the congressional leaders is let's not do any posturing. Let's not try to save face.
[Acosta:] The president appeared to put the blame on House Speaker John Boehner's inability to corral the Tea Party-backed Republicans.
[Obama:] There have been repeated situations where we have agreements, then he goes back, and it turns out that he can't control his caucus.
[Acosta:] That caucus is once again up in arms despite Boehner's tough talks.
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] I have made clear for months and months that the idea of default is wrong and we shouldn't get anywhere close to it.
[Acosta:] The speaker failed to convince House conservatives to line up behind Republican proposals to lift the debt ceiling and end the shutdown. It didn't matter anyway, as Reid said the GOP's plans were dead on arrival in the Senate.
[Sen. Harry Reid , Majority Leader:] Extremist Republicans in the House of Representatives are attempting to torpedo the Senate's bipartisan progress, with the bill that can't pass the Senate.
[Acosta:] That portrait of Washington dysfunction was all the respected Fitch ratings agency needed to see. Fitch issued a warning that may downgrade the nation's AAA credit rating, a potential repeat of what Standard & Poor's did after the last ceiling debate of 2011. Although Fitch continues to know that the debt ceiling will be raised soon, the agency said the political brinksmanship could increase the risk of a U.S. default. Some House conservatives were brushing off talk of dire consequences to come.
[Unidentified Male:] I think most folks understand October 17th is not the drop dead date. There are no payments due for a couple weeks.
[Acosta:] Jim Acosta, CNN, Washington.
[Lu Stout:] Now the U.S. hits the debt ceiling at midnight. Essentially that deadline is a red flag that the U.S. does not have enough money to pay all its debts. Now the U.S. Treasury Secretary has said that the U.S. will have around $30 billion on hand to pay almost double that amount in daily bills. But it does not signal financial apocalypse, well not immediately anyway. Now the first signs of trouble will likely be seen on the world stock markets. Analysts say if the U.S. fails to make an interest payment on its debt, markets will crash. Now some predict the Dow could drop some 1,000 points. Now it fell almost 1 percent on Tuesday. Now the further the markets fall, the greater the chance of an economic slowdown. Now interest rates will also start to tick up, meaning borrowing money will become more expensive and it'll become more difficult to get a loan. Now in the U.S. recipients of Social Security benefits as well as Medicare and Medicaid payments could see delays. And if the U.S. does default on its debt, the ripple effect, it will be felt across the globe, in particular in country's holding a lot of debt like China. Now David McKenzie reports on the fallout there.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Deal or no deal: with just hours to go to a U.S. default, foreign leaders are getting very nervous indeed. If the debt ceiling is breached and the U.S. can't pay its bills, China, the largest foreign owner of U.S. debt, will be one of the biggest losers. The Chinese economy would have enormous exposure to a default. This country owns more than $1 trillion of U.S. Treasury bills. And economists tell me that officials at the People's Bank of China are preparing for a Doom's Day scenario, a default that would cause a global chain reaction.
[Yonghao Pu, Ubs Wealth Management Research:] So you have a start with liquidity risk, then you have a credit risk and also on this kind of chain reaction. I would imagine that if the U.S. does default its debt, the consequence of [inaudible] is going to be 10 times more serious than the Lehman Brother go under. So the consequence is just enormous.
[Mckenzie:] With unthinkable consequences, most economists still believe that U.S. lawmakers will broker a deal to avoid an unconstrained default. But the threat of a default has given Chinese state media a huge PR opportunity. Xinhua proclaiming that the U.S. fiscal failure warrants a de- Americanized world.
[Willy Lam, The Chinese University Of Hong Kong:] For the past several years, Beijing has been trying to project this soft power, namely that the China model perhaps is the best for the world, particularly for developing countries. So this fiscal mess, which Washington has gotten into I think has provided them with a good excuse, ample ammunition to shoot down the so-called American consensus.
[Mckenzie:] It's a message that the Communist Party hopes plays well at home and abroad and pushes their agenda as the world's second largest economy to have more fiscal clout on the world stage. China's wildly successful export-driven economy creates enormous cash surpluses. And for decades, the U.S. has been the only market big enough and safe enough for China's technocrats to park much of their cash and help their own export market thrive. Even with the debt ceiling shambles, China doesn't have a quick fix alternative.
[Pu:] Unless China's government willing to switching from export-driven model towards more consumption or more balanced growth model, you don't have much choice in fact.
[Mckenzie:] A long-term goal of the Chinese government, yes. In the short-term, and even the medium-term, China will have to put up with D.C.'s dysfunction, because it still needs U.S. debt just as much as the U.S. needs China's cash. David McKenzie, CNN, Beijing.
[Lu Stout:] Now you're watching News Stream. And still to come this hour, death and destruction in Japan as the powerful typhoon hits the Tokyo area. We'll get an update on its path from CNN's Mari Ramos. And her real-life story has been turned into a movie. A former sex slave tells CNN about her escape from a nightmare. And it is qualifying time ahead of next year's FIFA World Cup. Find out which countries are making the cut.

[Burnett:] Tonight, the Baltimore Ravens insist there was no cover up of the Ray Rice domestic assault case. The team's owner, Steve Bisciotti, insisting ESPN's damning report that the team knew about the videotape of Ray Rice knocking out his now-wife. By the way, in excruciating detail, walked through scene by scene everything that happened hours after the attack. Well, Bisciotti says it's all lies. There was, though, something else that caught my attention today from Bisciotti. He insists it's a bad idea to implement a zero tolerance policy when it comes to domestic violence in the NFL, and here's his reasoning.
[Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens Owner:] You can bet there are some opportunistic people out there that are going to look at this zero tolerance place we're getting to, we're going to get to, and they're going to say, boy, this is really, really going to be easy to threaten and get some money. Because the minute I threaten him in season, he gets cut.
[Burnett:] Is the Ravens owner forgetting the real situation here? Tonight, we're learning more about the victim in the attack, Janay, from those who know her best. Suzanne Malveaux is OUTFRONT.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] Janay Rice is neither a punching bag nor a punch line.
[Unidentified Female:] I know Janay to be very kind. To be very smart, intelligent.
[Malveaux:] For professor Sandy Nichols and others who taught Janay at Towson University, she is not simply the woman in the elevator.
[Sandy Nichols, Professor At Towson Univ:] A very sweet and motivated student. And she just worked really hard to do her best.
[Unidentified Female:] We are thinking of her as a one dimensional character, that she is the wife of Ray Rice, that she is a victim of domestic violence. Those do not define who she is. She is a mother, a friend, a committed student.
[Malveaux:] That Janay, according to friends who know her, is anxious to get her life back.
[Anita Marks, Radio:] On Sundays, game day, getting ready, going to the stadium. Sitting with the rest of the wives, cheering on her husband. That life as they know it has been taken away.
[Malveaux:] Anita Marks got to know Janay and Ray Rice personally when she co-hosted a radio show with the former Ravens running back in Baltimore.
[Marks:] They were a young couple in love.
[Malveaux:] Before she was Janay Rice, she was Janay Ashley Palmer, a girl from the New York suburb of Mt. Vernon.
[Unidentified Female:] She was the president of the student council at her high school which was an exclusive, all girls Catholic high school.
[Malveaux:] Ray attended nearby New Rochelle and they kept in touch in college. Their first purported date was at a Cheesecake Factory. In 2008, Ray was drafted out of Rutgers by the Ravens.
[Marks:] She followed him to Baltimore. He put her through school.
[Malveaux:] According to Marks, the relationship turned unstable.
[Marks:] It got very toxic, it got very unhealthy.
[Malveaux:] Janay threw herself into her studies, earning a degree in communications and becoming a proud mom, often seen pushing her daughter in a stroller from class to class.
[Darcey Morris, Towson University Professor:] She really perhaps wanted to be seen on her own merits, and her own work without being associated all the time with a celebrity.
[Malveaux:] For graduation, Ray proposed with the ring and a new car. Since the elevator incident was exposed, the two have rarely be seen in public. Only recently venturing out to a football game at Ray's old high school. Sources close to the couple say they are leaning on each other.
[Marks:] That NFL family is no longer there for him. He has to turn to someone or something. And he's turned to Janay.
[Malveaux:] Friends say they are thriving from counseling but with all the attention, they're having difficulty trusting people.
[Burnett:] Suzanne, just hearing how the friends would describe her, the things they've said. I mean, what have you said about how she's feeling about this entire incident? About the fact that she keeps seeing the video playing on TV?
[Malveaux:] Yes, you know, there are a number of takeaways here, Erin, because in talking to friends and associates, they essentially, they're hunkered down now at home. They're watching movies. They have a small inner circle of supporters. You got a few ravens players who call Ray, and the Lady Ravens, the wives who called Janay. And while he's feeling he's been cooperative with the NFL and since demonized, Janay still feels badly like she in some part played a part in tearing Ray down. And one of the toughest things, Erin, that they're dealing with is losing their identity. They were so wrapped up in the Ravens franchise. They even named their daughter Rayven, after Ray and the football team. Well, they got to let that go. They're also very concerned about the day their daughter will see the elevator altercation. And one thing they are hopeful about is that they do believe that Ray is going to play again. A lot of people very protective circle right now. Not a lot of people talking publicly. They feel very protective of this couple and they really need to get in front of this. And they're just still through it in the beginning stages of all this.
[Burnett:] Wow. Suzanne, thank you very much. An incredible look at what's going on with that couple right now. Former NFL player Don McPherson is with me, along with CNN anchor Carol Costello. OK. Great to have you both with us. I did not know, Don, that they named their daughter after the Ravens. And that little detail for some reason seems to be rather poignant, in giving a sense at what they're going through right now. What do you make of it?
[Don Mcpherson, Former Nfl Player:] I think one of the problems for a lot of NFL players and while everyone should see Janay as their sister, as their daughter, as their mother, as their friend, and see the woman that she is, you must keep an eye on what this is all about. These two are going through something very publicly that is probably the most private crime in our society.
[Burnett:] Yes.
[Mcpherson:] Which is why we call it domestic violence, if it only happens in the home, in the privacy of the home. That is its origin. So, the light of day is being shown. It is also showing how much his life was their identity.
[Burnett:] Yes.
[Mcpherson:] And his life as an NFL player was their identity, which makes it a very cloudy situation for both of them and as we're seeing in the Ravens organization and the NFL as a whole, trying to pull that apart and saying this is a domestic violence crime that is taking place in the context of this NFL landscape, that we are having a very hard and difficult time talking very honestly about it, because of how deeply entrenched it is in our families, in our culture.
[Burnett:] I mean, Carol, you know, you've been very open about this, that a college boyfriend knocked you out one time. This is something you've talked about and been open about. A lot of people watching are probably in awe of that, because they haven't been able to do that. You heard Janay's friends talking about her and Ray. And what do you hear?
[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] I hear a lot of women trying to be good friends to Janay, when what they really ought to be doing is saying, Janay, you're a victim of domestic violence. You have to quit defending Ray Rice. You have to quit talking about this. You have to quit appearing in public with him. What you have to do right now is work on your relationship. If the counseling is really working, then jump right into it. This is a time to work on your marriage and your relationship and get your problems solved. Not a time to get the job back for the husband who punched you in the elevator.
[Burnett:] Right, and the guilt she still feels, because you're saying when you went through it, some of your friends were defending the boyfriend.
[Costello:] Right, I completely understand it from her standpoint, because now, she's destroyed their entire family life. It's not just his life that's been affected. It is hers and the daughter's.
[Mcpherson:] She didn't destroy it.
[Costello:] But that's how she feels.
[Mcpherson:] I'm sorry. Yes. But that's where, even this whole conversation is even shifting to the NFL now. And somehow the Ravens organization has destroyed his career. And so, all of a sudden, Ray Rice and that's why you have to be very careful in this conversation not to make Ray Rice the victim the victim of Janay Rice doing something to him, the victim of the NFL doing something to him. Ray Rice is a perpetrator
[Burnett:] There are a lot of people who would like it to be that way and one seems to be the owner of the Ravens who is saying, that a zero tolerance policy would create an environment of false accusations and ruining careers. I mean, that is a stunningly
[Mcpherson:] It's a slippery slope towards accountability, isn't it?
[Burnett:] Insensitive. I'm appalled that even when someone would counsel him to go out that he would say it.
[Mcpherson:] That's the problem that clearly no one counseled him. He didn't think that losing his job, losing the ownership of the team was a threat to him. So, this is a man who's completely out of touch with how everyone else is looking at this. And the problem for the NFL right now is that they have to qualify the players in the league versus what the league is moving forward. It's going to be a very difficult time if they have a zero tolerance with the players in the league. The statement they need to be saying is a guy like Jameis Winston right now doesn't qualify for employment in the National Football League. That's where the zero tolerance is.
[Costello:] The thing struck me during that whole news conference by the Baltimore Ravens owner is actually two things. He said he loves Ray Rice. He still loves Ray Rice. He believes in redemption but he wasn't curious enough to actually want to watch the tape of what happened in that elevator, because he didn't want to watch it, he didn't care. Which I find interesting because if you love a person and you're a great friend, you want to know bad with the good so you can hem your friend, right?
[Burnett:] Right.
[Costello:] You don't want to close your eyes to their faults, because that's not really a true friend. The other thing he talked about was redemption. He said that he would be interested. He would open the door to Ray Rice possibly working with players in the future to teach them the good evils of domestic violence, right?
[Burnett:] Right.
[Costello:] But he would not let him play football again. I just find that strange.
[Mcpherson:] And it's strange because he doesn't have the answer to this larger problem. And the answer to the large problem is, how do we get control of the guys who are currently employed with us? In other words, I'll get you off my problem so I have to do these press conferences, but help me control the other guys that bring to the league.
[Burnett:] I also don't understand the comments he would make about the people who do this, someone would accuse him of violence to get money. I mean, what money?
[Mcpherson:] To extort players.
[Burnett:] OK, if they're going to lose their job and not get the money. So, I kind of lose the logic.
[Costello:] I took it to be it might because, you know, I'm biased on this subject but I took it to mean all of these women would come out of the woodwork and accuse these players of wrongdoing when they didn't get anything wrong.
[Burnett:] So, they would have to be paid off and be quiet.
[Costello:] I don't know.
[Mcpherson:] Here's the problem for this conversation right now and the press conference this afternoon. It's just giving them further and further entrenched into how bad the misogyny and sexism within the league is. They need to be talking about the solutions. They need to be talking about, not that this is a women's problem and we need to control the narrative. When do we ask, when does a woman say, why does a man stay in a relationship where him being abusive to his mate is OK? It's part of the make-up and the DNA of men? That's the question that needs to be addressed. That's the question the NFL can be very effective in that conversation.
[Burnett:] All right. Thanks to both of you. And OUTFRONT next, Sierra Leone discovered more than 90 bodies this weekend, all of them victims of Ebola. The spread is now getting close to exponential. We're going to go live to Liberia. Plus, iPhone mania just how new iPhones does Apple sold in three days? And, adios Anchorage. Jeanne Moos on the fine art of signing off.
[Unidentified Female:] As for this job, not that I have a choice but All right. We apologize for that. We'll be right back.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY, everyone. It's time for Pop Four, which means Nischelle Turner is here.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] That music gives you a little tease of our big number one story today. I'll start off with number four. The "Lone Ranger" such a bomb at the Box Office. Disney announced on Tuesday it could force them to take close to $200 million write down into the next quarter. It's so bad rap.com is reporting Disney is talking to producer about restructuring his deal for "Pirates of Caribbean 5" and stripping him of his final cut, which he had for every other film. This film did not do good. All right, greedy and lazy. That's the number three story and that is Sylvester Stallone's tweet after replacing Bruce Willis in the upcoming "Expendables" movie. His rep did confirm the tweet was about Bruce Willis. He means what he says and says what he means. All right, the number two story this morning, Paula Deen reportedly turning down an offer to be on "Dancing with the Stars." According to "US Weekly," a source close to the chef says the dance floor is not the appropriate forum for her. Our number one story has me up e-mailing our boss at 2:30 this morning. Beyonce going the Halle Berry route debuting a new pixy cut sending the Twitter verse into a frenzy. She posted a bunch of pics on her Instagram account. Really short, but, come on. The debate in the hair and makeup room, is this a wig or is this a real cut?
[Pereira:] I think it's a real cut, what do you think?
[Turner:] Well, Billy says there's a little something right here that makes it think it might be a wig. She has Kim Kimbell who has an amazing hair stylist who makes great wigs so it could be.
[Bolduan:] You can't say this about a lot of women. She can pull it off. I will not be showing up like that.
[Pereira:] Come on.
[Turner:] You could pull that off with your face, come on.
[Bolduan:] Chris
[Pereira:] He stays silent.
[Turner:] He didn't say a thing that whole 2 minutes.
[Bolduan:] He knows that is a no-win.
[Cuomo:] A man without a tongue to say about Beyonce's new hair cut. Anyway, coming up on NEW DAY, they are in the money. Three winning tickets were sold for last night's $448 million Powerball jackpot and none of them came to us. They were sold and we're happy for people. We'll tell you how much we know.
[Bolduan:] That amber alert we're tracking closing. It's expanded to three states as police search for a missing California teenager and her brother. Police now investigating reports that the suspect right there, James DiMaggio's blue Nissan has been spotted in Northern California and Oregon. We'll have an update for you.

[Quest:] "Capital in the Twenty-First Century" by Thomas Piketty. Now, to some it is all about wealth inequality. To others, it is perhaps the holy grail, the book that everybody is talking about. Well the issue of wealth inequality is something we have discussed many times on this program. This book has sold more than 650,000 copies. It's about to be printed in 30 languages. It is not an easy read more than 500600 pages. It had some damning criticisms, especially by the "Financial Times" which accuses the author of using flawed statistics. In a wide-ranging interview, we were so pleased Thomas Piketty joined us from Paris and he told me well, he welcomed a bit of literary argy bargy.
[Thomas Piketty, Author, "capital In The Twenty-first Century":] reason, you know I try to make it clear that this is of interest to everybody, not just elite economists. It's also a political story, a future story, representations of inequality including literary representation play a big role. And, yes, I'm very glad that, you know, an [unbirthed polar] seem to enjoy it. And, you know, even multi persons seem to be talking about it, maybe some of some of whom have not really your kind of book, but this is fine, you know, that's part of the game and I'm very happy with this one.
[Quest:] Are we reaching a level of rising inequality that alarm bells should be ringing?
[Piketty:] I think we have different situations in different countries. Now, in the United States, I think that, you know, indeed the rising inequality of wealth the past three decades has been so enormous that I think it creates a, you know, a major disruption, you know, of, you know, the ways of the political process itself is working. So, just to give an order of magnitude, you know, almost three chapters of aggregate gross and primary income between 1980 and 2010 in the United States went to the top 10 percent, and most of it to the top 1 percent. So, if the gross performance of the U.S. economy had been extremely good, you know, 4 or 5 percent a year, that maybe it would be acceptable. But with the [inaudible] GDP growth of 1.5 percent a year, you know, it's three quarters of that goes to the top, then this is not a very good deal for the rest of the population. And I think many people now agree that this has led [inaudible] to the stagnation of median income and the rise of [inaudible] debt, but that's contributed also to make the financial system not fragile.
[Quest:] If you're going to start reversing a trend of inequality, you either do it through regulation, you do it through government, you do it through taxation, you do it through social stabilizers all the usual techniques. Where do you believe the right way in your view is to begin?
[Piketty:] I think that there's all combination of policies that need to be put in place, so education, you know, investment in education certainly is a primary force that can reduce inequality in the long run. And one problem that you have in the United States is that, you know, you have very good top universities at the very top of the distribution you know, probably the best in the world. But your bottom part of the U.S. educational system is not that good.
[Quest:] Were you very annoyed or were you frustrated, were you angry or were you just bemused with the "Financial Times" attack on your work and its underlying academic assumptions?
[Piketty:] You know, I have responded to their, you know, criticism point by point, and I think, you know, anybody looking at this will conclude that they made a lot of noise out of nothing, but, you know, this is fine. This is part of the game. I put everything online, you know, including old detailed, data sources and formulas so that we can have a very open debate about this issue. So, you know, to me this is perfectly fine. If I was to rewrite the book today, in fact probably the only change I would make is that I would show an even bigger increase in wealth inequality in the United States, that's why what
[Quest:] Right.
[Piketty:] I actually show. And there was a recent study by Saez and Zucman which apparently the "FT" seems to ignore, which actually shows that the increase in wealth concentration you know the [inaudible] has been even larger than what I report in my book.
[Quest:] Right.
[Piketty:] So, but you know, there will be more data in the future, we are going to update imminently all existing series online that will be available publically. And, you know, I welcome all those who want to contribute to this effort to promote more transparency in income and wealth inequality.
[Quest:] Now, we asked Thomas Piketty who he was reading, and it's this book. It's "The Second Age Machine," how the digital age is transforming every element of our lives, such as Googles, driverless cars, IBM's super computer called Watson. The chief exec sorry, the co-author I don't suppose there's a chief exec for the book of "The Second Machine Age" is Erik Brynjolfsson who joins me now from Massachusetts. Erik, good to talk to you. I mean, when Thomas Piketty is reading and praising your book, you know you're on to something about a revolution taking place in the way machines and man are interacting, aren't you?
[Erik Brynjolfsson, Author, "the Second Machine Age":] Absolutely. And I that was very nice for him to say that. I've been a fan of his even before he became an international sensation. So I'm glad he's interested in this issue and how it's changing the world.
[Quest:] We have looked at this I mean just this week we have seen Androids wearables, we've seen Google everybody's bringing out new devices that push the boundaries. But I need to understand from you what are the caveats, the cautions, the concerns that as a society we need to have for this?
[Brynjolfsson:] Well, I want to underscore that this can and should be good news. But before I get to the cautions, I want to say that having machines that can do all these wondrous things increase our lifespans, drive our cars, solve medical problems that can and should be good news. But you're right, there're also some important caveats, and one of the most important ones is the one that Thomas Piketty has been emphasizing is that this rising tide doesn't necessarily benefit everyone
[Quest:] Right.
[Brynjolfsson:] evenly. There's no economic law that says everyone will share in the bounty. In fact, some people have been left behind, in some cases, a majority of people. And one of the things we need to work on is how to maintain the bounty but also lead to shared prosperity.
[Quest:] And that is so difficult, isn't it? That is in a nutshell what this book's really all about, because you can't hold back the tide, so you had better work out a way to ride the waves.
[Brynjolfsson:] That's exactly right. And so I there's a this is the grand challenge that we face over the next ten years. We absolutely aren't going to stop technology. We shouldn't try to stop technology. I'm disappointed with those who try to protect the past from the future. What we need to do is embrace it
[Quest:] Right.
[Brynjolfsson:] But do it in a way that also brings up the whole society.
[Quest:] Do you think at the moment at this moment, 2014 we are winning or losing that battle of successfully managing this second machine age?
[Brynjolfsson:] Well there's no question that half the population at least hasn't participated in it. That's been a big disappointment. Median income in the United States is lower now than it was 15 or 20 years ago. The most of the benefits have accrued to not even to just the top 1 percent, but even the top 100th of 1 percent has gotten the biggest gains. And I do think most of us want to live in a society
[Quest:] Right.
[Brynjolfsson:] where all the benefits accrue to a very small group.
[Quest:] So, if I ask you which machine, which gadget, which device do you believe you really want? Do you want the vacuum cleaner that'll think for itself, do you want the driverless car? Which is the one that you think will be the one that you would like?
[Brynjolfsson:] Well I'm very excited about some of the tools that use big data
[Quest:] Ah.
[Brynjolfsson:] to improve diagnosis, cure cancer, to be able to extend our lifespans. And it's been just wondrous some of the breakthroughs we've seen in using these machine learning and artificial intelligence techniques to push the boundaries of medical knowledge.
[Quest:] Sir, brilliant to have you on the program. Please do come back again. We'd love to talk about these issues on "Quest Means Business." It is [Erick verione]
[Brynjolfsson:] Thank you.
[Quest:] to be in Watson on "The Second Machine Age." Now, this weekend's "Best of Quest." It has the choice cups from our nightly conversations. You'll hear Jordan's finance minister pleading again for the international help in the region's refugee camp crisis. And a chef and restaurateur Heston Blumenthal who's our guest in "Reading for Leading," sharing the books that change the way that he looks at food.
[Heston Blumenthal, Chef:] I read a book written by an American called Hal McGee on the science of cooking. Not food science, but why the eggs make the souffles rise. Before that, I never questioned anything. After that, I questioned everything that's my strap line. And that really opened my eyes to a new world of cooking.
[Quest:] A wonderful weekend digest, it's "The Best of Quest" it's at CNN, noon London and reported like a bad dose of something throughout the weekend. We'll have a "Profitable Moment" after the break.

[Anderson:] And planes, trains and automobiles, CNN's reporters put America's Thanksgiving travel chaos to the test.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
[Anderson:] A very good evening. Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has been dealt one of the biggest blows of his political career. After months of wrangling, the Italian Senate has voted to expel Mr. Berlusconi from parliament after his conviction for tax fraud. Now he's being stripped of his senate title, meaning he's lost partial immunity and can now face further prosecution. But is this really the end for Italy's comeback king? CNN's senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman joining us live from Rome. We are this evening saying ciao il cavaliere. Is that the right thing to do? Is this arrivederci at this point?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn International Correspondent:] I would say it's arrivederci for Mr. Berlusconi, because he has many time before seemed to have been teetering on the brink of the edge of his political career and has come back. Now 192 members of the Italian upper house, or senate, did vote to expel him as opposed to 113 who wanted him to stay. Now he has to basically serve this sentence for tax fraud, but because of his advanced age, 77, it's a fairly mild sentence, only one year of community service and He's barred from holding public office for two years. But it's not as if He's down and out, He's one of the richest men in Italy. And I'm sure the creature comforts will make his life a little more comfortable. And of course he still has many followers here in Italy, on the right at least. And he may not be able to be a direct player in Italian politics, but with all his influence He's probably still going to be pulling the strings. However, Becky, let's not forget He's facing a lot of other legal troubles. he's been convicted and He's appealing that conviction for having sex with an underaged minor, that's the so-called Ruby Rubacuori, Ruby the Heartstealer. he's also facing charges for apparently bribing a member of the senate to switch parties. he's also facing charges of using his position as prime minister to engage in corrupt practices. So let's of drama left to this soap opera D Becky.
[Anderson:] All right, so what have we heard from Italians today?
[Wedeman:] Well, the usual mixture. Some of the people who attended a large rally outside his residence in downtown Rome were his diehard supporters. They said D one man who was wearing Milan football jersey, that's a team owned by Mr. Berlusconi, said OK, He's out of the game for the moment, but he'll be back on the team and he will bring positive results. Another Italian I spoke to said, look, I'm 23-years-old Berlusconi has always been in Italian politics. it's time for him to go. So a very mixed opinion. This is a man that nobody has a neutral opinion about. So he will continue to stir up controversy in one form or another in office or out of office.
[Anderson:] Ben Wedeman for you in Rome this morning. Ben D or this evening. Ben, thank you very much indeed for that. Well, Mr. Berlusconi has dominated Italian politics for two decades. And what a colorful 20 years it's been. let's take a look back on some of the key moments in the former premier's somewhat scandalous political career. Scenes of celebration on November 12, 2011. Italians had just learned that Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was stepping down. Many blamed this colorful leader for the country's economic crisis and were tired of the scandals that turned his political career into an international skeptical. Since he was first elected prime minister in 1994, Berlusconi has appeared in court on charges related to tax fraud, bribery and paying for sex with an under-aged prostitute. that's led to several convictions. In October last year, Berlusconi was convicted of tax fraud and given a four year prison sentence. Three years of that were pardoned, but he must still pay a sentence in community service. In March, this year Berlusconi was sentenced to a year in prison for illegally leaking a police wiretap of a political rivals phone calls. Berlusconi is appealing that ruling. This June, he was found guilty of having sex with a then under-aged prostitute and abusing his power. That brought a seven year sentence, which he is also appealing. Despite the political circus that surrounds him, Silvio Berlusconi has maintained a level of public appeal. On a platform of anti-austerity, Berlusconi's coalition won almost 30 percent of the vote in Italy's last general election. However, his political power came into question in October. After vowing to topple the government coalition in a no confidence vote, Berlusconi made a last minute U-turn when members of his own party sided with Prime Minister Letta. A fall from grace for Italy's most persistent political force. Well, earlier I spoke to Bill Emmott who is the former editor of The Economist magazine and co-writer of the documentary called "Girlfriend in a Coma" about Italy's economic decline. I asked him how significant this day is for Silvio Berlusconi. This is what he told me.
[Bill Emmott, Frm. Editor Of The Economist:] For Berlusconi himself, this is a new beginning of a new phase in his political career. And he likes new beginnings. He is now clearly in opposition. He clearly can present himself as a victim. He will now, I think, clearly go euro skeptic. So for the European elections next year, for the general election, whenever that takes place, there's now going to be a clear lineup between the opposition D Berlusconi, the comedian Bepe Grillo, the Northern League separatist anti-immigrant group there, all euro skeptic against the government and the left wing party which are pro-Europe.
[Anderson:] Bill, how significant a role will he play in his Forza Italia party going forward?
[Emmott:] I think Silvio Berlusconi is bound to be still the focus of Forza Italia, his party. he's the financier, He's the organizer, He's the front man in every TV show, in every communication opportunity. So I think as long as the law allows him to do that D and there's an important question about that D then he will be the main man. The important question is that he now has to choose between house arrest for nine months or community service for his criminal conviction for tax fraud. If he chooses house arrest, actually that's more comfortable, but it does restrict what He's allowed to do, such as not appear on TV talk shows, not make platform speeches in piazzas. If he does community service, he might end up cleaning the toilets, but he will make it into a kind of campaign platform. So that choice is going to be crucial.
[Anderson:] He still has a significant amount of support. There are those today calling this a coup. He, himself, has told his supporters that D and I quote D no political leader has suffered a persecution such as I have lived through. Going forward, does what's happened today do him more or less good with his supporters, do you think?
[Emmott:] I think with his base, with his core supporters, which is probably about 15 to 20 percent D probably 15 percent of the vote, with them it does him good. They think of him as one of them. They feel victimized by the tax system. They feel victimized by the judges. They feel He's on their side. With them, he now clearly is on their side, because He's in the same situation as they are. With the extra 10 to 20 percent that he needs to really form a D be politically powerful it's probably bad for him, because they want Italy to reform. They want Italy to make progress. And He's not going to be able to be part of that, at least in the near future.
[Anderson:] Bill, you and I spoke before the Italian elections earlier this year about the documentary that you had made "Girlfriend in a Coma," alluding to Italy being in a coma. Is it still that bad?
[Emmott:] I think that Italy's economic situation is still that bad, but the coma is breaking. In other words, there's an awakening of public opinion, an awakening of the media and an awakening of quite a lot of the political establishment to the fact that something needs to be done, that really things have to change. Until today, they were blocked by the whole saga of Silvio Berlusconi. Now, from today, they are liberated to show that actually they are going to try to treat the coma and actually bring my girlfriend out of the hospital's intensive care ward. This is now the test, can they do that? I believe that they want to do it.
[Anderson:] When she gets out of that coma, though, you are pretty confident tonight that Mr. Silvio Berlusconi will be around in some form or guise?
[Emmott:] Definitely Silvio Berlusoni is not going to go away.
[Anderson:] Bill Emmott speaking to me earlier. Well, still to come tonight, we are live in Damascus as the Syrian government announces it will take part in a new round of peace talks. And, standing firm: how Thai protesters are vowing to keep up their demonstrations until their government resigns. Plus, Belgium comes one step closer to giving children the right to die. That and much more when Connect the World continues. It is 12 minutes past 8:00 in London. Back after this.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] All right, here we go. Breaking news. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Let's go straight to our nation's capital, to Washington, D.C., and I can tell you what's going on right now. The park on the north side of the White House is on lockdown. Why? Because apparently a man tried to fly a drone over the White House fence. All right? So you're looking at pictures. This is just in from one of our CNN producers who we're about to talk to. Kristen Holmes saw this whole thing happen. She's joining me. Pamela Brown is joining me as well. She is one of our justice correspondents. And I've also got Juliette Kayyem with me, CNN national security analyst. So, ladies, let's all walk through this together and begin first and foremost with what we know. Kristen, to you first. I believe these are photos you took. And I'm not quite sure if we're looking at the man here in the center of the screen who tried to fly this remote controlled aerial device. Can you tell me what you saw?
[Kristen Holmes, Cnn Producer:] Yes. We walked out and we heard almost immediately walking out of the White House Secret Service was on top of it, pushing people through the park, trying to get them out of the street. We saw this man. He is wearing I'm not sure what picture you have up there, but he's wearing a blue and white checked shirt, being detained by officers. Several officers chasing him. Moving hundreds of people that were in front of the in front of the White House out of the streets, out of the area. Now we have a complete gridlock. Secret Service agents are saying that it's going to be at least one more hour. And witnesses told us that they saw this man trying to fly something over the White House fence. Originally they told us it was a drone. Someone else said it could have been a model airplane. And given the many incidents lately of security breaches at the White House, one man actually told us that he said to the guy flying the device, he said, don't do that, you're going to get in trouble, they're going to come after you. And he said it was just a split second before Secret Service tackled him down.
[Baldwin:] I used to live a couple blocks from the White House in my time in D.C. and I'm familiar. If we're talking about what side of the White House are we talking about because I'm seeing all these people and I'm wondering, is this that park right there adjacent to the White House?
[Holmes:] This is the park on the north side, Lafayette Park.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Holmes:] Remember, several years ago they shut down Pennsylvania Avenue. So that's already shut down. Now they've shut down the street on the other side of the park, which is H Street. So it's
[Baldwin:] Wow.
[Holmes:] And like I said,
[Baldwin:] OK. So, Kristen, stay with me. I know what we're saying, you know, man detained for trying to fly a drone. We're trying to figure out exactly, to Kristen's point, whether it was a drone. Eyewitness saying maybe it was a model airplane. So, you know, this just happened within the past hour. We're trying to get all the details and the facts straightened out for you. Pamela Brown, let me bring you in, because we know that, what, a couple months ago there was another drone incident. Wasn't it in the middle of the night four months ago?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] It was in January. There was a former intelligence services government employee who was flying his drone he says recreationally from his apartment and it ended up on the White House lawn. And as you may remember, Brooke, it caused a lot of quite a stir and a national security concern, of course, that this drone could end up on the White House lawn. It wasn't discovered until after. As it turns out, there was a forensic analysis of that drone, and it showed that there was a malfunction with it, therefore the drone operator was not charged in this case. But it certainly raised a lot of questions, Brooke, about what more the White House, what Secret Service can do to protect the property from drones. More and more people are flying them these days, as we know. In fact, the FAA just sent out a tweet, Brooke. It says, "your vacation could be blown if you fly a drone, D.C. is a no-drone zone." So the FAA sending out that tweet in the wake of this incident at the White House. Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Your vacation could be blown if you fly a drone. You know, we saw what happened on The Mall. That was last month with that gyrocopter. I mean this is total restricted air space, obviously. Juliette Kayyem, let me bring you in, CNN national security analyst. You know, at least this is a situation in which apparently this individual tried to fly this thing over the fence. What a mess, you know, this creates in and around this area around the White House because you have this lockdown.
[Juliette Kayyem, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Right.
[Baldwin:] At least this is a case in which Secret Service, they caught him.
[Kayyem:] Exactly. And this is just part of the challenge that both the Secret Service but actually every law enforcement agency faces, which is after 911, when we sort of built up the security apparatus, it was very much focused on physical security. Are the gates high enough? or even look at the White House where they put those planters in. Are the streets closed? It's all physical. And then, obviously, technology sort of goes faster sometimes than our security apparatus. And now the threat, or at least, you know, whatever this was, comes from the air. And our systems are just not able to respond often in real time. This was a good situation in which the, you know, the guys were tackled or detained before anything bad happens. But this is sort of a brand new world for the security apparatus, whether it's the Secret Service or, you know, a football event or just a street. People have access to this stuff and our systems just can't you simply can't react in time given the amount of aerial devices that are out there now.
[Baldwin:] What about, you know, listening to our producer who took these pictures and we're looking at the man who was detained there, but what if this was a situation in which this is Lafayette Park, he might have had some kind of model airplane.
[Kayyem:] Right.
[Baldwin:] Perhaps he should have known better and not tried to put anything in the air within, you know, spitting distance of, you know, the president's not home, he's at Camp David, but, still, it's the White House. Does that matter to you?
[Kayyem:] Well, absolutely. I mean I think that, look, I mean, this is this is a situation I think I mean just what you what you all are saying is that this is a situation in which there are just stupid people who don't think about what they are doing. And, unfortunately, that exists everywhere in the world. But once you get past those stupid people, let's assume it's a nefarious person, I mean what what what we can put in place is obviously things like no-fly zones, you know, visual sighting to ensure that both the air and then people who might be flying stuff are noticed and then detained if appropriate. But, you know, look, I mean the distance that a lot of these drones and I should tell the viewers, drone is just means an unmanned aerial device. So it doesn't necessarily mean it's armed or that it's dangerous. It's just a term that we use for unmanned aerial device. That the response capacity to bring down one of these just does not exist in most non-war-like situations. In wars, we have the capacity to do it. But on a civilian street, even one close to the White House, it's very difficult to do.
[Baldwin:] Right. Juliette Kayyem, thank you so much. Pamela Brown, thank you. Kristen Holmes, let us know if the situation changes or what new information you have about this individual or what he was trying to fly. Ladies, thank you. We are also following some major developments here in the aftermath of that deadly train derailment in Philadelphia. And really the biggest question right now is surrounds this man, 32-year-old Brandon Bostian. He's the engineer who was at the controls of Train Number 188 when it rounded that bend and just flew off the tracks, traveling twice as fast as it should have been there. But what exactly he was doing at the time remains a mystery today. Right now authorities, including Bostian's lawyer, don't even seem to agree as to whether the engineer is cooperating with investigators. His lawyer says Bostian spoke to police for hours, though he has a concussion and remembers next to nothing about the crash. But it's a different story from police officials, who tell CNN that Bostian refused to answer questions. Here's what we can confirm right now. The number of those lives lost, that has climbed now to eight after authorities this morning made a grisly discovery amid all the wreckage there. Joining me now, I have CNN's Erin McLaughlin and national correspondent Jason Carroll and Sunlen Serfaty. So, Erin, let me begin with you. The mayor, I know, of Philadelphia, Michael Nutter, he held a press conference just a little while ago. What exactly did he say about this engineer?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] He seemed to contradict the attorney as to the level of cooperation that Brandon Bostian was participating with authorities. Now, the attorney for Brandon Bostian says that he answered hours of questioning from police, that he handed over blood samples, that he also handed over his cell phone, and that contradicts what the mayor, Michael Nutter, just said hours ago in a press conference. Nutter said that, yes, he did have a concussion and, yes, he was having memory problems, but that he didn't want to answer police questions. Take a listen.
[Mayor Michael Nutter , Philadelphia:] The engineer was injured. Again, I want to remind you, the engineer, of course, was in the first train car, the engine component. That car, we believe, actually tumbled over and over and over numerous times, and the engineer survived. He was taken out of the vehicle, went to a hospital, received treatment, was interviewed by the police department, and I believe it was a pretty short interview in which he apparently indicated that he did not want to be interviewed.
[Mclaughlin:] Now, Bostian's lawyer says that he would be willing to talk to investigators. They just need to let him know when they want to talk to him. He also says that he's suffered from no prior medical conditions. That he was not on any medications at the time of the crash. That he wasn't taking alcohol and that he wasn't on drugs. They also said that he was not on his cell phone. He said that his cell phone was turned off at the time of the crash, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] And he handed that cell phone over to investigators. Erin, thank you. Jason, to you. Just in terms of the victims here, again, the number now standing at eight. You talked to an uncle who believes his nephew is among them. Tell me about that conversation.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn National Correspondent:] Right. Robert Gildersleeve, you know that that is the Baltimore businessman who boarded the train in Baltimore. Well, his family, Ken Vino, his uncle was actually out here at the crash site this morning, Brooke. And when I spoke to him on phone, he said that he had just left the crash site and was actually on his way to be the morgue. And when I asked him, I said, do you believe that there is any chance, any hope at all at this point? He told me, he said, quote, "I do not believe so. I believe it is over for us." And so at this point the Gildersleeve family making those final identifications, we believe. You also remember that this is the same man who had a 13-year-old son who submitted that very heart-touching video, hoping for the return of his father. So you can imagine what this family is now going for going through at this point. Again, the city is officially saying eight fatalities. They did not officially identify that eighth fatality. They did say that all 243 people who were on board have been identified. So at this point, waiting to hear word from the Gildersleeve family. Not a good word, not a good time for this family, like so many out here. Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Our thoughts with all of them, of course. And those are the ones who didn't make it. Then there are those who made it to the hospital, many of whom were injured. I know, Sunlen, eight people are still in critical condition. Hearing from that Temple University Hospital, you know, official yesterday saying a number of them still have surgeries. Can you tell me about those eight?
[Carroll:] Well, as you can a lot of the injuries that they're dealing with are
[Baldwin:] I'm sorry, Jason. Forgive me. I think Sunlen's Sunlen, go ahead.
[Sunlen Serfaty, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, we know it's a serious situation for these eight that, as you said, they are still in critical condition. We know that they have significant chest injuries. That's according to the medical doctor here. They have punctured lungs and a series of rib fractures. And that's why they're still classified as still being in critical condition. And the medical doctor said to us earlier today, he said he does not even he doesn't believe that these patients are even aware of the extent of what happened to them, what they went through. Now this hospital is treating 16 patients overall. That's down significantly from the 54 that they originally received on Tuesday night. And Dr. Cushing, the medical director here, he spoke earlier today about the kinds of conversations that he's had over the last two days with these patients.
[Dr. Herbert Cushing, Chief Medical Officer, Temple University Hospital:] The injuries that were sustained by most folks because they had things fall on them, and those things included other people. So that was a very common story I heard. I would ask people, those that were awake, what happened to you? And they said, oh, somebody fell on me. And it's not just sort of falling on them. People were hurled violently against each other. And there was some luggage flying around. And then some of the injuries were people being thrown against seats and, you know, the sides of the train compartments when it flipped over.
[Serfaty:] And this is just one of the six area hospitals that is are treating people. Now currently we know among all of the hospitals in this city who took some of the passengers took the passengers of the train, we now know that 35 people city wide remain hospitalized. Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Sunlen Serfaty, thank you. Jason Carroll, thank you. Erin McLaughlin, I appreciate you as well. Still ahead, I want to stay on this story out of Philadelphia and we'll take a closer look at the travel impact this is having across the incredibly busy northeast corridor. We'll take you to the hub there in New York City, that's Penn Station, for a look at what travelers need to expect over the course of the next few days. Also moments ago, Jeb Bush takes another crack at the question, was the Iraq War a mistake? His answer, straight ahead.

[Max Foster:] Tonight, the end of a stalemate as top diplomats for Iran and the U.S. prepare to meet for the first time in 34 years. I speak to Ambassador John Linbert, former deputy assistant secretary of state for Iran and the only high ranking American diplomat to have met Iran's current supreme leader. Also ahead, we report on documents showcasing al Shabaab's al Qaeda associates in Somalia and how they plan to attack targets beyond African shores. And find out about the amazing story of injured British soldiers preparing to compete in one of the world's toughest off-road races.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World.
[Foster:] We begin, though, with the first high level face to face talks between the United States and Iran in more than three decades. Secretary of State John Kerry and Foreign Minister Jarvad Zarif are expected to meet in about an hour from now on the sidelines of the United Nations general assembly. They are trying to work out a deal on Iran's nuclear program along with their counterparts in Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani says he believes a deal can be reached within six months. He spoke to a UN forum today calling for the total elimination of nuclear weapons. He says only one Middle Eastern country has failed to join a non-proliferation pledge.
[Hassan Rouhani, President Of Iran:] Almost four decades of international effort to establish a nuclear weapon free zone in the Middle East had regrettably failed. Urgent, practical steps towards the establishment of such a zone are necessary. Israel, the only non-party to the non-proliferation treaty in this region, should join there to without any further delay.
[Foster:] We have two live reports on this story for you. CNN's Elise Labott is following developments in New York and Reza Sayah is monitoring reaction in Tehran. Elise, let's start with you. What exactly is the proposed deal here?
[Labott:] Well, Max, this deal was offered to Iran back in February by the so-called P5+1 bloc of countries basically in exchange for the easing of some sanctions on gold and precious metals and aviation spare parts; also deal for a medical fuel for a nuclear medical reactor. Iran must shut its facility at kohn, which is one of the main concerns about where it's enriching uranium. It must ship out its stockpile of uranium that's already been enriched to 20 percent, which is seen as kind of a gateway to the actual enrichment level where they can move towards a nuclear weapon. And they need to suspend further enrichment of that 20 percent. So Iran has never formally accepted or rejected the deal. It's unclear whether now in this new improved tone between the west and the Iranians, particularly between the U.S. and Iran, whether they be willing to sweeten that deal. But certainly President Rouhani has said he wants to ease sanctions on his country and, you know, it remains to be seen what the west really is willing to give Iran. It's pretty clear what they want Iran to do.
[Foster:] The U.S. is confident, is it, it's got the support of China on this one.
[Labott:] Well, I think Russia and China are really the main ones. And if there's a deal that Iran would accept, I think at the end of the day, Russia and China have always been more sympathetic to the Iranian interests. So if the Iranians who have a very good relationship with Russia were to say this is a deal we can accept, I think you can count on Russian and Chinese support.
[Foster:] OK, Elise, thank you very much. Reza, Mr. Rouhani, is he speaking on behalf how empowered is he? Is he speaking on behalf of the supreme leader? Can we completely rely on everything that he can agree in New York?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, certainly the supreme authority, the ultimate power in Iran, Max, remains the supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei. But over the past couple of months, ever since Hassan Rouhani was elected president, there's all kinds of indications that he has the backing of the supreme leader. And it's the supreme leader who has approved this seemingly new campaign to reach out to the west, to make an offering, to offer the west the [inaudible]...
[Foster:] OK, we've lost Reza there. We will try to go back to him later on. But the U.S. and Iran's thorny relationship is decades old. If you look back, it really started in 1953 when U.S. and British intelligence organized a coup which took the prime minister out of power. In its place, they put in Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. Now the Shah stayed in power until 1979 when mass demonstrations swept the nation excuse me forcing him to flee to Egypt. Just weeks later, the Islamic leader Ayatollah Khomenei returned from 14 years in exile to Iran. He established himself as the supreme leader and Washington immediately evacuated more than 1,000 Americans from the country. Now later that year, Iranian students stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran, taking 66 Americans hostage. It would take the U.S. 14 painful months to get them all home. In 1980, Iran's neighbor Iraq invaded them sparking a war that would go on for eight more years. Iraq received support from the west during that period. In the mid-90s, President Clinton imposed tough economic sanctions on Iran. He later tried to improve relations with Iranian President Khatami, but with no success. Now fastforward to 2005 and conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took power as president. His inflammatory remarks about Iran's nuclear program and Israel did little to improve relations. This year, Hassan Rouhani was sworn in as the new Iranian president. And some think his softer stance on hot issues could signal a new era for these two countries. Our guest tonight knows from personal experience just how far the U.S.-Iranian relationship has come. John Limbert was a young diplomat when Iranians took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran. He was held hostage for 442 days. And during that time met with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who is now Iran's supreme leader. John Limbert later served as U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for Iran. He's currently a professor of Middle East studies at the U.S. Naval Academy. Now thank you so much for joining us. This is a big moment, isn't it, in international relations, because these are two key powers and they don't talk that often.
[John Limbert, Frm. U.s. Deputy Assistant Secretary For Iran:] Well, it's a huge change. It that's almost 34 years ago today that the two foreign ministers Ibrahim Yazdi and Cyrus Vance met on the sidelines of the general assembly. And the meeting, if you look at the history of the meeting that meeting was a disaster. It went very badly. And there has been no meeting at that level since. So today will be a breakthrough. And I'm hopeful, at least, that the meeting today will go better than the one 34 years ago.
[Foster:] Will the U.S. be treading carefully to make sure at least this first meeting goes well. Is it so important that things don't blow up? And as you say other meetings have gone so badly.
[Limbert:] They should be. I'm confident they do. I mean, the problem is that both sides have these rusty toolboxes stuck way in the back of their shed. And these are the tools of diplomacy. They haven't used them for 34 years. And they have to get they have to get them out. And they're not used to doing this. But it isn't really all that complicated. It comes down to basic diplomacy, which is listening to what the other side has to say, listen seeking behind their words what they really want, and controlling your own language.
[Foster:] The meeting takes place in about an hour. When they emerge from this meeting, how do we judge whether or not it's been successful? What are we looking out for?
[Limbert:] That's always that's always difficult. Are they going to meet again? What's the followup? What's the body language? What is the tone? They're both very professional. I mean, you'll hear words like full and frank exchange of views. But the question ask the question, are there going to be other meetings at their level, meetings of experts. Where will they be? What will they talk about? Tone, language, words, I think will be very important.
[Foster:] I'm going to take you back a few years now to a piece of video that you'll recognize. It's when you met the current supreme leader. He was in a different position at the time. But let's just have a quick listen to the video.
[Khamenei:] I mean in terms of food, clothes, health concerns.
[Limbert:] Well it's good, what can we do, must manage.
[Khamenei:] Well, I mean if there's any shortcoming or problem we can solve it.
[Limbert:] No, there is no problem like that. Just one problem.
[Khamenei:] Oh, yes, the fact that you are here.
[Foster:] It seems like you actually got on really well. There was a good chemistry between you. I mean, what can you give us some sort of sense of what sort of person the west is dealing with right now?
[Limbert:] Well, at that time, he was of course we were both much younger. He was a Friday prayer leader of Tehran. He went on to become he went on to become president. When he was president, the story goes he complained about his lack of power and how he was overshadowed by other officials. I don't know what I can say after a five minute meeting. What I wanted to do was to use his own traditions and language against him and say, sir, what you are doing is absolutely outrageous and holding diplomats, for whose security you are responsible, is shameful and goes against every tradition of your own religion and your own culture.
[Foster:] I guess we're really looking for any sort of scraps or indications of what he is thinking, because the reality is whatever happens in New York, the decision will be made by him and, you know, the various people around him in Tehran, right.
[Limbert:] Well, to all appearances the supreme leader and the president have a good relationship. They know each other's thinking. I mean, the president is very much part of the elite, that same rather exclusive men's club that's run Iran for 34 years now. And they know each other's way of thinking. They don't have to really spell things out. Basically I think the instructions that he the president gets, or the guidance that he gets is, look, you know what to do. You know what the policies are. You know how far you can go. And again, I'm sure the supreme leader doesn't have to spell this out, but the message is if you overstep the line you will find - you will find out.
[Foster:] OK, John Limbert, really appreciate your time, thank you very much indeed. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has promised a new era of constructive engagement with the world. So what do Iranians think about it? Here's some reaction from the streets of Tehran.
[Unidentified Male:] Hello, America. Hi, America.
[Unidentified Female:] Hello. We love Americans.
[Unidentified Male:] American people are good people. We want the same thing as the American wants. America is a great country. And we want to have good relations with America. We Iranian people don't have any problem with America.
[Unidentified Female:] Our problem is with American politicians, those who are after war and bloodshed. You are not fair. Be fair to the world. Your behavior is not very good. Your politics is about war and it's terrifying.
[Unidentified Male:] America has imperial plans and ideas. It wants to dominate.
[Unidentified Female:] Your not the boss of the world. You shouldn't think that you're in charge of how the world runs. You have to have equal respect for all countries. Why should we be controlled? Who is America to control us?
[Unidentified Male:] With all the sanctions they put on us, it's like putting a gun on someone's head.
[Unidentified Female:] If you think you're powerful, power doesn't mean you dominate people. This talk that we're making a bomb is completely false.
[Unidentified Male:] As far as I'm concerned, I don't think they're making bombs.
[Unidentified Female:] Don't you make one yourself? Why did you make a bomb? We are dangerous. We are dangerous.
[Unidentified Male:] Iranians are most civilized people.
[Unidentified Female:] How many how many wars do we have did we have? Can you tell me? Can you tell me?
[Unidentified Male:] People of Iran, they are friendly outside of the perception of the America.
[Unidentified Female:] We are very peaceful people. We love each other. And we never ever started a war.
[Unidentified Male:] You respect our civil rights and we'll respect yours. It's just humanity.
[Unidentified Female:] Don't mettle in our business. Just let us live in peace.
[Unidentified Male:] I think the first steps are beginning to have the dialogue.
[Unidentified Female:] I want things to improve for everyone's benefit. America live, let live. That's all. Thank you so much.
[Foster:] View from Tehran for you. Now still to come tonight, the search for victims of the Kenyan wall attack continues as teams from the U.S. and Israel arrive on the scene. We'll have a live report from Nairobi. Also, battling extreme heat and the lack of water, the conditions facing survivors of Pakistan's earthquake.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. We do begin with breaking news out of Chicago because this breaking news is affecting flights all over the country. A fire at an FAA Air Traffic Control facility has brought all air traffic to a stop at Chicago's O'Hare and Midway Airports. Workers at the facility have been evacuated since 6:00 a.m. Central Time. At least one person was injured. The FBI is currently on the scene investigating. The FAA says planes destined for Midway and O'Hare will not be allowed to depart until at least 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time. Joining me now on the phone from Chicago is CNN's Ted Rowlands and from Charleston, South Carolina, CNN aviation analyst, Mary Schiavo. Ted, I want to start with you, 265 flights canceled at O'Hare. I bet it's really fun there this morning.
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] And counting, Carol. Also at Midway, add that into the equation and it's a complete mess. You can imagine the look on everybody's faces at O'Hare as they stand in the rebooking lines at all of the different airline terminals and all the airlines, of course, got hit by this. They didn't have the staff to handle this nightmare. Basically trying to rebook when you don't know when exactly flights will resume. The earliest, according to the FAA, is 11:00 Eastern, 10:00 Central. That's another hour here. It's just building and building and building. As for that center in Aurora, Illinois, where it started. This is a fire, there were two injuries. One of them was a self-inflicted injury, apparently from an employee. It sounds like an a potential suicide attempt inside this facility about 40 miles away from Chicago, outside of Chicago and this is where the problem exists. The FAA is going to plan "b," having other centers pick up the slack, but that's taking time and wearing on people's patience here at the airport.
[Costello:] OK, well, that is a disturbing new development. Ted Rowlands, thank you very much. Let's go to Mary Schiavo right now. You heard what Ted Rowlands said. You said last hour it took place in the bathroom in this air traffic control tower and now we hear Ted say something about suicide? What do you know?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, not much more than that. The first reports were that the fire emanated from a bathroom at the Aurora Center, which is not the not right at the airport. This is what controls traffic going back and forth over and in and out of Chicago except at higher altitudes. So it wouldn't have been right on the airport property and the fire is supposedly emanating from the bathroom. At first they thought it was a bathroom vent. A fan in the bathroom, but now apparently there are conflicting reports on what actually happened. But it did not emanate from the air traffic control equipment itself. It wasn't a computer fire, it wasn't a screen fire, et cetera, but it's frustrating for the people so not only is this not something right on the airport, now it's really uncertain as to how soon they will be able to get out. For flights in the air, they aren't allowed to take off unless they have a landing time at their destination. That's an FAA rule, flow control. So there won't be flights taking off unless they can actually land. So the folks most affected will be those right at O'Hare and Midway or those already diverted.
[Costello:] Do I still have Ted Rowlands on the phone?
[Rowlands:] Yes, I'm here, Carol.
[Costello:] Ted, tell us more about this suicide attempt that you heard about?
[Rowlands:] Well, apparently there were two injuries, one was a 50- year-old male who suffered smoke inhalation, an employee that had nothing to do with potentially the cause. The other injury is also to a male and apparently this individual's injury is from a self-inflicted wound. That's what we're being told. We don't know what type of wound it is, but a self-inflicted wound. And while there's no confirmation of it, there seems to be speculation that this individual may have been the cause of the fire and that's what we know at this point. We're getting more information, but at this point, there's an individual who suffered a self-inflicted wound inside the Aurora facility. And that appears to be the cause of this fire.
[Costello:] So, Mary, the FBI is on the scene in Aurora, Illinois, at this FAA facility. Is that standard operating procedure?
[Schiavo:] It is. In this case, it's certainly justified. But even if they didn't have these kinds of details yet, the FBI does come into any kind of investigation where there's anything suspicious at all. It's very standard procedure. And of course, if this is someone who's taken action, self-inflicted wounds, et cetera, the FBI has jurisdiction over the investigation. So it would be FBI first and they would be the primary agency to investigate and that's how it always works. They have these lines and roles down pat.
[Costello:] All right, I'll let you two get back to reporting. Thank you so much, Ted Rowlands and Nary Schiavo. It's a busy morning of developments in the war on ISIS. Right now British lawmakers are going toe to toe in a debate on whether to join the coalition's offensive. They'll vote in a couple hours, but if approved, British warplanes would limit their strikes only to ISIS targets in Iraq, not Syria. Britain's prime minister says this is a matter of national security.
[David Cameron, British Prime Minister:] I believe, Mr. Speaker, it's also our duty to take part. This international operation is about protecting our people, too and protecting the streets of Britain should not be a task that we are prepared to entirely subcontract to other air forces of other countries. So it is right for us to act.
[Costello:] We're going to hear more from London in just a few minutes. But first, day four from the air strikes, U.S. and Arab allies hammer ten targets in Iraq and Syria. Our chief national correspondent, Jim Sciutto, is at the Pentagon. I'm just wondering about something, Jim. Britain wants to maybe participate in air strikes, but only over Iraq not in Syria and that goes for most western nations. Why is that?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] That's right. France same thing. Holland, Belgium, the other countries that have been joining. It's basically because they don't believe there's a legal basis for the strikes in Syria. They're more comfortable with the legal backing for strikes inside Iraq. In Iraq, you have the government there requesting international help. That's much more clear. In Syria, you don't have that. In fact, you have the government there the government of Assad, Bashar al-Assad, saying you need to ask our permission, which the U.S. and the Arab nations that are fighting alongside it did not. Now, as a practical effect on the ground, doesn't have much of an effect because the U.S. and its Arab partners have enough firepower to handle the targets they have in Syria. But it does get at how broad this coalition is. Some of the countries involved are making distinctions that the U.S. and Arab partners are not.
[Costello:] And what is the Pentagon saying at this point about the effectiveness of the air strikes? Because we know in Iraq there have been more than 200 air strikes. But there's no sense of any degrading of ISIS forces on the ground.
[Sciutto:] You know, it's a great question. I spoke to Rear Admiral John Kirby yesterday and I asked him that very question and he said well, they have with partners in their Iraqi forces on the ground taken back the Mosul Dam, that's a key piece of infrastructure. It threatened Baghdad if ISIS decided to destroy it. That's one victory, one piece of ground taken back that the Pentagon is claiming, but when you look at the broader picture, ISIS still controls about as much of that country as it did six weeks ago when the strikes started and that gets at the weakness of air power. You can do something, but you need ground forces that are capable of taking back and holding that ground and that's something we haven't seen yet in Iraq and certainly not in Syria. And Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is going to be speaking in this room early this afternoon. That's one question I'll press him on.
[Costello:] We're going to be looking forward to that. Jim Sciutto, many thanks to you. As coalition bombs continue to rain down on ISIS targets, the question of ground troop support in Syria may have taken a major step forward. Drew Griffin has more on an agreement Syrian rebel commanders are calling historic.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Senior Investigative Correspondent:] They gathered just across the border in Turkey, at least 20 leaders of mostly moderate rebel groups, hammering out an agreement in writing, an alliance that brings minority Christians, moderate Muslims, Kurds and others together for the first time in a unified front against ISIS and the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad.
[Abdul Jabar Akidi, Military Council Of Aleppo, Syria:] All the factions are unified to fight the regime in
[Isis. Griffin:] The deal facilitated by staff from the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, the Syrian emergency task force and finalized in a push by Illinois Congressman Adam Kinzinger.
[Representative Adam Kinzinger , Illinois:] Bashar al-Assad is a protector of Christian minorities and he is not. He's a brutalizer of his people. It has created the situation that we see as ISIS today. What you see today is this Christian minority group saying we want to have an alliance with the Free Syrian Army and it's the beginning of hopefully a long process that's very successful to bring in the Syrian people freedom.
[Griffin:] Congress has been skeptical about funding Syrian rebels for fear U.S. made weapons and aid could fall into the wrong hands, perhaps future terrorists. Kinzinger admits in the ever changing allegiance and alliances battling both regime and ISIS fighters in Syria, he's still not sure whom to trust. [on camera]: Are these guys worthy of our trust and our money and our guns?
[Kinzinger:] That's a good question and that's what we need to find out.
[Unidentified Male:] Well, I think this question has been answered.
[Griffin:] Khalid Saleh, the spokesman for the National Coalition for Syria said Free Syria Army brigades have already been vetted, have received some aid and have been successful in striking back against ISIS and the Assad regime. He complains the U.S. still doesn't understand what's happening in Syria. That you never get rid of ISIS until you get rid of the regime of Bashar al-Assad and the U.S., he says, should get serious about arming and supporting rebels trying to do just that.
[Unidentified Male:] At the end, it's a question of why the limited support that these FSA brigades are receiving especially that they are vetted and trusted. We need to increase that flow.
[Griffin:] And getting that flow 12 months from now could be much too late?
[Unidentified Male:] Those brigades might not be here and then I think the international community will have a much larger crisis on its hands.
[Griffin:] Several leaders told CNN the U.S.-led coalition airstrikes against ISIS and other terrorist strongholds in Syria are only half measures and in some cases actually hurting their cause. They say there has been no coordination of the strikes and in some cases bombs have come dangerously close to what the U.S. should consider to be friendly forces. A strategy the rebel leaders believe so far has played right into the hands of Bashar al-Assad. Drew Griffin, CNN, Turkey.
[Costello:] Congressman Adam Kinzinger may have faith with those Syrian rebels, but there are plenty of American lawmakers who do not. Peter Welch of Vermont among them. He was among 85 House Democrats who said no to funding the Syrian rebels. Here's why.
[Rep. Peter Welch , Vermont:] I do not believe that plan has any reasonable prospect of success. It's extremely difficult to have any confidence that we'll be able to find, quote, "moderate rebels," who will be vetted, trained, equipped and will go into that battle space and maintain loyalty to us as opposed to shifting their loyalties opportunistically.
[Costello:] Congressman Welch joins me now from Hanover, New Hampshire. Welcome, sir.
[Welch:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Thank you for being with us. Congressman, what do you make of sending those lawmakers to Turkey to meet with Syrian rebel commanders?
[Welch:] Well, members of Congress can't negotiate, obviously. That's going to be the president. But I'd say two things. Number one, if the Syrian rebels get together and reach an agreement to work together, that's a positive and constructive thing. By the way, that's much separate from the U.S. trying to train a proxy army. And that's what I voted against because I am really skeptical of our ability to vet, to maintain their loyalty and who do they work for. So the Syrians doing this, the various factions, that's a good thing. Congress trying to build an army, we have recent experience in Iraq where we spend $35 billion training the Iraqi Army and at the first smell of gun powder they took off their uniforms and fled. So there's not a lot of basis and experience in history to be optimistic about our ability to have a proxy force, particularly in a Syrian chaotic civil war.
[Costello:] Let's talk about what happened within Iraq today. There was a terrible incident where ISIS sent in military vehicles that they stole from the Iraqi army inside those military vehicles they were packed with explosives. They went into the middle of this group of soldiers and at least 300 of them were killed. Now, according to Colonel Francona, these Iraqi military men probably should have done some checks before allowing that convoy to come into their complex. It's just another example of how inept the Iraqi army is. Do you have any hope that Americans will be able to adequately train the Iraqi army to effectively fight ISIS?
[Welch:] Well, I'm a skeptic. The Iraqis have to do this themselves. Our soldiers and our taxpayers left Iraq in pretty good shape and they had to make a choice as to whether they wanted a civil society or a civil war and they haven't held it together in order to build that civil society. But I think the real question here, it's chaos there. The real question for America is, what is the national security interest that we want to protect? And I think there's two things. One is we want to deny terrorists wherever they are a safe haven and that can be done with counterterrorism activities as the president is doing. Second, we want to do our level best to make certain none of the jihadist cans come with passports to Europe or to the United States. And that's a homeland security challenge that's front and center on everybody's mind. But the idea that we're going to be able to micromanage the outcomes in that chaotic region, Libya, Egypt, in these two countries, Iraq and Syria, we're not going to be able to micromanage that. We can be constructive and helpful when there is promising political developments and perhaps the judicious use of military power, but the bottom line here is our interest, denying safe havens and denying access to our homeland.
[Costello:] Well, let me ask you this and going back to the Iraqi army. Americans are trying to help them become trained to effectively fight ISIS, but what they really need are commanders. They need someone to lead them and they don't have that in the Iraqi army right now because all those people are a laugh, they split, they joined the other side. So Colonel Francona, among others believe there will be a need for American boots on the ground, as in commanders, to lead these Iraqi forces to make this effective fighting machine. LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA
[Cnn Military Analyst:] Well, that's a dead end approach and I'll tell you why. There's two reasons. They need commanders. The reason they don't have them is Maliki replaced competent Sunni commanders with his cronies. So he doubled down in the sectarian division. But the second reason is that while American commanders know how to command and do a great job, the American people are not going to support the introduction of more ground forces in that region of the world. And it's not just a question of being war-weary. It's a question of the American people coming to a sensible conclusion that the place is a mess and that the people there have to accept some responsibility for their own security future. So it won't work and it won't have the support that the American people would have to provide in order for the U.S. to sustain any kind of extended ground operation in that region.
[Costello:] When you come right down to it, Congressman I hear what you're saying about them being responsible for their own safety, but our safety is at risk, too, because of them. We need them to get it together so we can be safe and that's the biggest concern.
[Francona:] Well, that's exactly right, but let's define what it is we can realistically do. One, I think we can deny them safe havens. We don't want another Taliban situation that we had in Afghanistan. But that can be through judicious strikes and counterterrorism activities. Second, we've got to protect the homeland. Then third we can play a constructive role with our allies and the president has been doing a good job building this coalition where we facilitate political developments on the ground that are ultimately essential. Iraq is the key right now because they have a moment where if they can diminish the SunniShi'a sectarian divide, bring the Sunnis into the government has General Petraeus did during the surge, the Sunnis had a future, that's how they saw it and they turned on al Qaeda and successfully ran them out of Anbar Province. That's essentially what we need the Sunnis to be doing, seeing that they have a stake in the future to turn against ISIL. So we can play a role. But the primary responsibility for the civil society and the future of those countries has to come from those people.
[Costello:] Congressman Welch, thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate it.
[Welch:] Thank you. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, high stakes and hot tempers as America's closest allies debates whether to join the U.S.-led strikes on ISIS. With a vote just a couple hours away, we'll listen in on some of the heated arguments.

[Maggie Lake:] Terror in Tunisia, the North African country makes its first arrest in the wake of last week's beach massacre.
[Habib Essin, Tunisian Prime Minister:] I think he was mainly radicalized online.
[Lake:] Hello, you're watching CNN. I'm Maggie Lake in New York. Coming up, we're going to have some video from or exclusive interview with Tunisia's prime minister. Becky Anderson just completed it. And also, we want to update you on the situation in Greece. And sorry we are closed is the sign that a lot of people are looking at. Long lines in Greek banks as Greece and EU officials blame each other for the worsening crisis. I want to go over...
[Jean-claude Juncker, European Commissioner:] After all my efforts, and the efforts made by the commission, I feel a little betrayed.
[Lake:] Let's bring in Richard Quest right now who has been tracking this situation in Greece. He is live in Athens for us. I believe we have Richard anyway, yeah, Richard, great to see you. So, we have after months, and some would say years, of negotiations to try to come to some sort of deal are now facing a situation where the banks are closed in Greece, people are only able to take out a certain amount of money, talks have broken off with creditors. What is the mood where you are?
[Richard Quest, Cnn International Correspondent:] The mood is one of resigned resentment by the people I have spoken to. They always knew this was a possibility, but it rather has come to fruition. And now they can't immediately see any way out, because there's not talks planned. The European bailout program expires Tuesday night. They go into default with the IMF tomorrow night. And there is a referendum on Friday. And then you throw in this extremely bitter language remember, Tsipras described the IMF and the commission as having criminal responsibility, who had responsible for financial asphyxiation. And now Juncker says that he feels betrayed because of all the work they've done. All that said, nobody should be any illusion. They will be trying to get this back on track somehow. Unfortunately, to me, it's just not obvious how.
[Lake:] That's the thing, when the rhetoric gets to this point it's very hard to see how you get this group around the table now. Though some have been suggesting that maybe the referendum is the cover that they need. If the Greek people vote that they want to stay with the euro, that will give everyone the possibility of a fresh start. But you and I have been talking, Richard. When you have a country that is facing a banking crisis, it's not always clear that officials have a handle on the situation. How high is the risk that events start to spiral out of control of authorities?
[Quest:] Oh, it's very high. And once again, the answer lies with the ECB, the European Central Bank. It was their decision yesterday to withdraw any more emergency funding that led to the bank closures. Now, if if, if and I'm going to say it one more time, if there was some sort of deal, talks, arrangements in the offing, then the ECB may turn on the taps again and offer more money. Then, you're back to the banks being open. Without the ECB funding the Greek banking system, it's almost impossible to see how a deal moves forward. There is one other thing that mustn't be ignored. The Greek referendum. What are they voting on? As of tomorrow night, there is no bailout for them to vote on. So you have to frame the question about what they vote on Sunday. And then you have to remember let's say the Greek people vote yes. The very government over there has been saying no. So how can that government negotiate when they've been politicking and campaigning against the very thing they're now having to negotiate. The reason I throw all this in, Maggie, is not to confuse, to obfuscate, or to make things more difficult to understand, it's so we can appreciate this is a minefield of and now I can hear various demonstrations that are starting to build up. Lots of cheering and the like. But it's complicated. It's difficult. And there's no easy way out.
[Lake:] That's right, Richard. And for all those uncertainties, the people who have money at stake, global investors, have looked at the situation and the fact that Angela Merkel came out and said, for all the strong rhetoric, that talks are still possible and that Juncker said they want Greece in still. And they have decided that it's not over yet and there may still be talks. That's why you're seeing selling, but no panic. Richard Quest in Athens, Greece for us as you will be throughout the day. Right now I want to toss it over to Becky Anderson.
[Becky Anderson, Cnn International Anchor:] Thank you very much indeed. And back to Greece of course, which is a developing story and an incredibly important one, not just for those in Greece, for everybody around the world as we watch and wait to see what this European project is stands for these days and where it goes next. Maggie, thank you. You join me here in the capital of Tunisia in Tunis. We moved here from Sousse today, the Mediterranean resort town, which was quite frankly shocked and horrified by what happened there on Friday when 38 people were massacred on a beach, as many as 30 of those as many as 30 of those potentially could have been British. We have had a press conference today in Sousse. In attendance were interior ministers from European countries, including the British interior minister. They say there has been progress in the investigation into exactly what happened on that beach. I spoke earlier to the Tunisian prime minister Habib Essid who says the attack won't stop the country's democratic reforms. You're going to hear from our correspondent live in Sousse on the investigation momentarily, but let's just listen to what the prime minister told me today in an exclusive interview, giving some details of the investigation as well as his government's response to that massacre.
[Habib Essid, Prime Minister Of Tunisia:] I think he was mainly radicalized online, but it's when we look to his passport, he didn't have any he has a passport since 2015. And then he didn't use his passport to travel. But you don't know. Sometimes, they can go abroad, especially this circulation between Tunisia and Libya. It could be done through irregular ways.
[Anderson:] We do know that he was studying at a local university. And there have been reports that he was part of a militant cell at that university. What can you tell us about that?
[Essid:] We cannot establish at this moment, but there is some information that he belonged to some organization. And he was very, very close to a mosque who has training at least at the intellectual way a terrorist.
[Anderson:] It's clear that there are young Tunisians slipping across the border into Libya getting trained and coming back here. It is clear that our young Tunisians going to Iraq and Syria and coming home. What sort of impact is the conflict in Libya and are the conflicts in Iraq and Syria having on Tunisia?
[Essid:] The situation in Libya is very bad. And then time is running. And we should together work in order to stabilize the situation in Libya. For us, we have 520 kilometers of borders with Libya. Everything could happen through this border. On the other side you don't have a state, you have groups, you have so it's very important for us, the dangers comes from Libya. People are [inaudible] and people come back to Tunisia.
[Anderson:] Critics will say that this is destined to revert back to authoritarianism, back to the era of Ben Ali, offering incentives to people to basically inform on their neighbors. This smacks of a police state. What do you say of the to those critics.
[Essid:] Things are completely different. What we did in Tunisia in to 2011, this is irreversible. We choose a way, and then this is the difference. All what we be doing, actually, and the actually be taking with respect to the law. This is very important, with respect to the constitution. We won't take any decisions without respecting the institutions.
[Anderson:] It is clear that this economy relies heavily on tourism. Just how damaging has these attacks been to what is a crucial lifeline for the Tunisian economy?
[Essid:] It's very damaging. It damages it's a heavy damage, because it's actually is drowning. You know, more than one million people live directly or indirectly from this sector. And we should do everything in order to save the situation.
[Anderson:] An exclusive interview with the Tunisian prime minister just an hour or so ago here in Tunis. I'm Becky Anderson. We're going to take a very short break. But when we come back, new amateur video has just surfaced that shows moments of sheer terror on that beach on Friday. We're going to get you more on that with the investigation. And my colleague Nick Paton Walsh in Sousse. That, up next.

[Blitzer:] Giving the Pentagon to call up reservists to deploy to West Africa, if necessary. Up to 4,000 U.S. troops may be sent there to set up facilities for health care workers and other details. In an exclusive interview with CNN's Kyra Phillips, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, talked about his own Ebola fears.
[Kyra Phillips, Cnn Anchor:] Are you, General Dempsey, worried about Ebola here in the U.S.?
[Gen. Martin Dempsey, Joint Chiefs Of Staff Chairman:] I have been worried about Ebola globally for about 90 days, and I have had some on my staff that were probably a little more worried than I was even a few weeks or months before that.
[Phillips:] Why?
[Dempsey:] I'm worried about it because we know so little about it. You will hear different people describe whether it could become airborne. If you bring two you know, two doctors who happen have that specialty into a room, one will say, no, there's no way it will ever become airborne, but it could mutate so it would be harder to discover. It actually disguises itself in the body, which is what makes it so dangerous and has that incubation period of about 21 days. Another doctor will say, well, if it continues to mutate at the rate it's mutating, and if we go from 20,000 infected to 100,000, the population might allow it the opportunity to mutate and become airborne. And then it will be an extraordinarily serious problem. I don't know who is right. I don't want to take that chance. So, I'm taking it very seriously.
[Blitzer:] Let's bring back our guests, Dr. Gavin Macgregor- Skinner, an assistant professor at Penn State University's Department of Public Health Sciences. He's an expert on public health preparedness. Also joining us, the tropical medicine specialist, our CNN medical analyst Dr. Xand van Tulleken. How worried should we be, Dr. van Tulleken, about this virus evolving, if you will, and becoming airborne contagious as opposed strictly by bodily fluids?
[Van Tulleken:] Well, I think the general's right that we don't really know. But it does seem like there has been no virus in the history of the study of virology that has ever changed its mode of transmission and gone from being transmitted from bodily fluids to becoming airborne. That said, what I really like about what General Dempsey is saying is he is not taking any risks. He's a man who wants to attack the possibility of there being an airborne disease before it happens. I think what is very reasonable to say is, even if you don't think there's any chance of Ebola getting airborne at all, it's definitely true that within our own lifetime we're going to see pandemics of airborne diseases. We have seen them with we have seen them with other kinds of flu. And So I think having a system in place that can cope with airborne disease will definitely strengthen our ability to approach Ebola.
[Blitzer:] What is your analysis, Dr. Macgregor-Skinner, on this specific question?
[Macgregor-skinner:] Wolf, right now, this is a public health emergency. We need to evaluate our capabilities and we need to develop operational plans. At the moment, it's not airborne. We can start developing operational plans in case it does become airborne. But I'm not even seeing operational plans that have been developed right now. We don't have a national communications strategy. We don't have a national a training program. We have a CDC that is handing out guidance and recommendation documents as paper-based documents. We don't no video, we aren't using Web-based training, we aren't using lessons learned from Dallas and Nebraska and Emory. So again, we're not being able to manage the situation. We can't do the implementation, and again we have no coordination.
[Blitzer:] All right, Dr. Macgregor-Skinner, please stand by. Dr. van Tulleken, I want you to stand by as well. Joining me now is the mayor of Dallas, Mike Rawlings. Mayor, thanks very much for joining us. A lot of people are wondering, Amber Vinson, this 29-year-old nurse, she got on this flight and she flew out of Dallas, went to Cleveland, came back, even though she had an elevated fever. What happened here?
[Mike Rawlings, Mayor Of Dallas, Texas:] Well, I don't know. I'm asking a lot of questions today. There's no way she should have been on that flight. She was being monitored here in Dallas, and if she was monitored correctly, she would have gotten into the hospital, I think, earlier than going on that flight.
[Blitzer:] Should everyone who got into contact, especially health care workers, and there are about 70 of them at the Dallas hospital who were in some sort of contact with Mr. Duncan, should all of them be under strict quarantine right now, as opposed to sort of personal responsibility, not moving around?
[Rawlings:] I don't know if all 70 should, but I think a group of individuals should be in some sort of isolation, away for their families, being close to the medical facilities. That's what I have asked for from the state. That's what I'm asking from the CDC to examine that. This is, as you know, a serious issue that we're taking very seriously. There's no way you can get this disease unless you come in contact with an individual. But we want to make sure that we are nipping this now with those health care workers.
[Blitzer:] What have you been told, Mayor, about Amber Vinson's, the second nurse, about her condition?
[Rawlings:] That she's doing OK, but she was a little more progressed than Ms. Pham, and we are just hoping these folks are heroes. They are heroes for us, and we're going to do everything we can for their support.
[Blitzer:] As of this moment, Mayor, have you been told that there are other Ebola cases potentially out there?
[Rawlings:] Well, look, I believe that there's a chance that we're going to get another one. I'm not happy about that. I'm not happy about the one we got today. We have all got to do a better job, and this city expects more of its officials and its government. And we're going to work hard to even if we get somebody else that we're going to close this down sooner vs. later.
[Blitzer:] Is there somebody else who is already being tested potentially? We hope that no one else comes down with Ebola, but is there someone who is suspicious at this point?
[Rawlings:] Not at this point, but the state is always looking at different individuals and assessing those things. So it wouldn't surprise me if I got another call at 1:00 in the morning, like I did this last morning, and say we have got another case. We have got to be prepared for that. And that's why we have to have a sense of urgency about everything we do. And that's why we have got to stick to a very clear process and discipline, an operational way to deal with this in the city of Dallas.
[Blitzer:] Do you know, Mayor, have you been told how Nina Pham and Amber Vinson, these two nurses, one 26 years old, one 29 years old, contracted Ebola?
[Rawlings:] I have not. And we will find out at some point, but or we may not. It may be so difficult to find out, it may never come. The key is what we're doing going forward today. We believe protocol is different right now at Presbyterian Hospital than it was before. But this isn't just about Presbyterian Hospital. This is about everybody on the team, and them doing their part in that.
[Blitzer:] What does it say to you, Mayor, that this woman, Amber Vinson, was airlifted today? She's on a jet right now flying from Dallas to Atlanta. What does it say about the vote of confidence, shall we say, about what's going on at that Dallas hospital?
[Rawlings:] I think it's the right decision. I really do. This is one of the decisions that I asked for, and I'm so pleased that folks decided to do this. It allows Presbyterian to breathe a little bit. It allows us to start to deal with those hospital workers that are part of the family. It's probably the best thing for Ms. for this patient, and at some point, maybe Ms. Pham moves as well. We're trying to figure that out. We have got to deal with all the resources. We can't be parochial about this. If there's a better solution, we need to take it.
[Blitzer:] So, you think there's a possibility Nina Pham also will be airlifted?
[Rawlings:] There's a possibility of that. And that's something that we're discussing and we will see if it happens.
[Blitzer:] Let me read to you a statement put out by the National Nurses United Union. It's a pretty tough statement. The suits they were given, we're talking about the healthcare professionals, the nurses still exposed their necks, the part closest to their face and mouth. Nurses had to use medical tape that in not impermeable and has permeable seams to wrap around their necks in order to protect themselves and had to put on the tape and take it off on their own. That sounds awful to me. What was going on? I know you've looked into this, Mayor, because that sounds so, so elementary, shall we say, and so dangerous.
[Rawlings:] You know, what's amazing about this is we were kind of fighting a two-front war on this. The context of Eric Duncan and outside of the hospital, we thought that was going to be the more difficult one, 48 contacts. We've tracked them all. We've got their family in isolation, and knock on wood, they're doing very well. I thought the layup was really inside the hospital, and so it's very disappointing what has happened. Again, we're going to we'll do a postmortem on this and understand exactly why different people did different things, but you would hope that, as a medical community in the nation, we would do better by these patients. But they are but these are the ladies that are that helped for Mr. Duncan, so it's not their fault, and I'm cheering them on.
[Blitzer:] Mayor, good luck to you; good luck to everyone in Dallas. This is obviously a story that's resonating an enormous amount of fear out there, not only in your community; all over the country, indeed all over the world. Mike Rawlings is the mayor of Dallas, Texas. Mayor, thank you very much.
[Rawlings:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] Just ahead, as CNN journalists explore their roots, you're about to see my own very emotional journey to trace my family's history. I feel like I've been robbed of an experience of having grandparents. Six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust.

[Blackwell:] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has come out in full force against a framework nuclear deal of the U.S. and Iran. He says it presents a grave danger. We'll hear from Mr. Netanyahu on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION" at 9:00 a.m. Eastern. But, first, let's go to CNN's Oren Liebermann. He joins us from Jerusalem now. What are we likely to hear from the prime minister a reinforcement of this message or maybe another angle here?
[Oren Liebermann, Cnn Correspondent:] I think we expect to hear a reinforcement of this message, as you said. I expect him to reiterate the message he's been pushing the last few weeks, especially in the last few days. And what he has really been doing is strengthen his rhetoric. We have seen him use terms like horrific war and terrible war. He says this nuclear deal increases the risk of all that. So, I think that will be the message he is pushing today. He knew very well this entire last week was a high profile opportunity to get his message out there, that's because House Speaker John Boehner was here visiting Israeli and visiting Benjamin Netanyahu, and just before that, earlier in the week, it was Senator Mitch McConnell. So, it was a very high profile opportunity for Netanyahu to get his message out there. And he has called this a bad dealing from the very beginning in these last few days. We've seen him strengthening his rhetoric. Perhaps he'll do the same in just the couple of hours. He says what the deal should do is not just limit Iran's infrastructure but actually dismantle it, take it apart, take apart their facilities. That's not in the deal, that's one of his biggest complaints about this deal. He also says the lifting of sanctions should be tied to Iran pulling back on its aggression in the region. Again, he says that's a big mistake not putting that in the deal. Again, in his latest statement, which was on Friday afternoon before the Jewish holiday of Passover here in Israeli, he said the deal needs to include Iran's recognition of the state of Israeli Iran recognizing the right of the state of Israeli to exist. So, he's making some pretty big demands on this deal. Of course, he's not in on the negotiations, so we'll see where that leads. He knows he can't stop this deal. He knows he is not working that well and he doesn't have a particularly great relationship with President Obama. So, he is pushing where he does have friends, where he does have allies and that is with congressional Republicans. That was House Speaker Boehner, that was Senator Mitchell McConnell. So, I expect him perhaps to talk about some of that relationship and we'll see him over next three months trying to use that relationship to, in any way, he can, influence this deal and try to make sure that it limits Iran, while keeping in mind the security of Israeli. So, Victor, we've seen a lot we've seen him talk about this deal a lot the last week. I expect him now to try to keep that conversation going and try to keep his concerns in the spotlight.
[Blackwell:] And the conversation continues at 9:00 a.m. Eastern right here on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION." Oren Liebermann, thank you so much.
[Kosik:] A new report this morning detailing the police response during the manhunt for the Boston bombing suspects. What investigators say they found has them questioning the actions of officers.

[John Brennan, Cia Director:] It was one of the things that the WMD commission encouraged there to be a diversity of views within the intelligence community. So there wouldn't be single group thing. And so, there have been a lot of studies done over the years about the value of different types of interrogation methods and whether or not coercive methods can lead to useful information that couldn't be otherwise obtained. I tend to believe that the use of coercive methods has a strong prospect for resulting in false information because if somebody is being subjected to a course of techniques, they may say something to have those techniques stopped and I think this agency has said that individuals who are subjected to those techniques here provided useful information as well as false information. And as our experts try to pore through a lot of data and information, that job is made more challenging if you get more false information. Thank you.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] So spending about 45 minutes before the news media out at Langley, Virginia, the CIA Director John Brennan making a very strong case. Yes, the CIA made several major mistakes, but on the whole the CIA should be praised. The CIA Director John Brennan saying that, yes, the process was flawed. There were mistakes but they defended the overwhelming majority of the CIA personnel for doing the right thing in the days, weeks, months, years after 911. We want to welcome back our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. Let's get some serious analysis of what's going on. First of all, Jake Tapper, what's your bottom line reaction when you heard what the CIA director had to say?
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it's interesting. When you talk to CIA officials and CIA analysts about the torture program, the enhanced interrogation program, they say nothing is as clear cut as the media and perhaps even the public want it to be. Everything is very murky. There's a lot of ambivalence. You can't say you waterboard this guy and he gives you this information, ticking time bomb, the terrorist act is prevented. It's all a lot more complicated than that. It's little bits of information here and there. And you get a sense of that murkiness and a sense of that ambivalence from Director Brennan's remarks. One of the things he said was he said it was unknowable if any of the information gained from using these brutal techniques could have come from using non-brutal techniques. In fact, David Petraeus, the former CIA director is quoted in "The Wall Street Journal" just a few minutes ago saying he told a conference in Rotterdam "If you want information from a detainee, you become his best friend." That is another theory of having best information. But in any case, so he was saying it's unknowable. That doesn't mean that they then support the idea of using EITs unnecessarily, or torture. But it is very, very complicated and you can see why they don't put Brennan out there to explain these things very often. He doesn't speak in terms of right and wrong. He speaks in terms of the messy business of acquiring intelligence.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Correspondent:] I think Brennan was also trying to really rally the troops here. Because he, you know, he made the case very strongly that the CIA does not intentionally mislead the Congress, which is a case Dianne Feinstein says very definitively, we were intentionally misled. We were uninformed. He also made the case these were a group of he didn't use the word rogue. My word rogue. Folks that did the torture and that this is not the way the CIA comports itself and he also admitted, quite frankly, that this was an agency post- 911 in his introduction that was unprepared for detainees and for interrogation and so he made it sort of clear like they were trying to find their way as they were doing this. But there is now a big difference and a big question because, Wolf, you pointed out some tweets from Dianne Feinstein or her staff, during that...
[Tapper:] Live tweeting.
[Borger:] Live tweeting, you know, effectively saying that in fact the CIA...
[Blitzer:] Let me read that Let me read some of these tweets from Dianne Feinstein. "Covert authority did not include authorization to use coercive interrogation techniques."
[Borger:] Right.
[Blitzer:] Another tweet, "coercive interrogation techniques don't work. Traditional intelligence collection, interrogation and law enforcement do." Let me read a third one. She said, "Executive summary backed up by 6700 page classified report, 38,000 footnotes, every fact based on CIA record, cables, et cetera, CIA says unknowable. If we could have gotten the intelligence other ways, studies shows it is knowable. CIA had info before torture." Let me bring in Jeremy Bash. He worked at the CIA, or actually we don't have Jeremy Bash, but we do have Bob Baer who is joining us who worked inside the CIA. This whole issue of what's knowable, unknowable. For example, let me play a little clip of what John Brennan said about the capture, the killing of Osama bin Laden. Whether or not the enhanced interrogation techniques, which so many people call torture played a role in that. Listen to this, Bob.
[Brennan:] It is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin Laden. Again, intelligence information from the individuals who were subjected to EITs provided information that was used in that.
[Blitzer:] Because the argument that you get from the Senate Intelligence Committee, at least the majority Dianne Feinstein and her colleagues there, the Democratic colleagues, is that the EITs, the enhanced interrogation techniques, really didn't play a role in the killing of bin Laden.
[Bob Baer, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, Wolf, I think he's backed away from the whole argument for torture that it's effective. He said it was used. What does that mean? It doesn't mean anything at all. I mean it was in context it may have been helpful. It may have disproved something. I think he didn't make a very strong case that this was justified using torture all these, you know, those five years and I think it was an extraordinarily honest speech in that sense and he's essentially apologized for that for those five years where we did use torture. You know, I think that he's taking the same line as the president that it's ambivalent whether this stuff really worked or not and there's no point in going back to it, and he did admit the CIA made big mistakes. Which is good. We are getting we need to do this to get over this.
[Blitzer:] Paul Cruikshank, there are people all around the world who've watching the CIA Director John Brennan make that speech. A 20- minute speech followed by extensive Q & A with reporters there in Langley, Virginia at CIA headquarters. And you monitor these jihadi websites. How are they likely to be impacted, if at all, by what we heard from the CIA director?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] I don't think there is going to be a huge impact. There's been a pretty muted response in the Middle East, a pretty muted response on these jihadi websites and social media. There have been some calls by English speaking radicals for retaliation. Those are Canadian ISIS fighter that called for the psychologist allegedly involved in the program to be beheaded. But by and large, this is sort of being met with indifference. It's old news. These people already have a very dark view of the United States. And there's some other controversies in the past which have created riots and attacks. But I don't think this is likely necessarily to be one of them.
[Blitzer:] Josh, I want you to just react I want to play a little clip. This is John Brennan acknowledging that the CIA did make some major mistakes. Listen to this.
[Brennan:] There were times when CIA officers exceeded the policy guidance that was given and the authorized techniques that were approved and determined to be lawful. They went outside of the bounds in terms of their actions as part of that interrogation process. And they were harsh. As I said in some instances I consider them abhorrent and I will leave to others how they might want to label those activities. But for me it was something that is certainly regrettable but we are not a perfect institution. We're made up of individuals and as human beings we're imperfect beings.
[Blitzer:] He used the word abhorrent. Obviously, a very, very strong word in describing some of the mistakes that CIA officials made. But he was quick to point out that the Justice Department has investigated and there will be no criminal investigation, no criminal prosecution of any U.S. officials who were engaged in this process. Were you surprised to hear that?
[Josh Rogin, Bloomberg View Columnist:] I was not surprised that the director decided not to use the word torture. He did not go further than he did in his statement, which was issued a couple of days ago in the report's release. What he failed to talk about, which is what a lot of lawmakers, especially Senator Ron Wyden, have focused on is the CIA's role in choosing the people who ran and orchestrated this program. Some $80 million spent on contractors. These contractors according to the report had no experience in interrogations. They were actually experienced in resisting interrogations, which is not the same thing. So the director here is trying to portray these as isolated incidents rather than the fault of the CIA leadership for setting up this program in the first place and secondly, what he also fails to discuss is his own personal role. He says that he wasn't a major part of this program, but he was aware of it. My committee sources tell me that in the classified version of this report, there's a lot of evidence about what John Brennan knew, what he said, and what he wrote to people about this program when he was a senior official during the program's implementation. I think if John Brennan wants to move on as he said in his speech today, a lot of these questions will have to be answered.
[Blitzer:] Before the news conference, the White House issued a strong statement of support for John Brennan. We heard it from Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary. Michelle Kosinski is our White House correspondent. Are you getting any reaction over there, Michelle, yet? I know it's only been a few moments since the news conference. What were you hearing during the course of his opening statement and his Q & A?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn Correspondent:] Right, on the couple of points, I mean we didn't know at the time that we were questioning the White House press secretary what the director would say exactly, but we know from the CIA statement this week, the strong statement, really a rebuttal to the report in many ways. I mean strongly stating that usable intel did come as a result of these methods leading to saving lives. The killing of Osama bin Laden. Stating that in no uncertain terms. What we've heard the White House saying over the past few days is they will not agree with Brennan's statement on that. They won't even weigh in on whether they feel he is correct that intel came out of that. When asked, though, well, do you have any reason to disagree with Brennan or any reason to believe that he would not be truthful in that, the White House did concede no. Today, though, we see this alignment. We know that Brennan met with the president this morning. Now we hear Brennan saying what the White House has been saying. That it is ultimately unknowable whether that intel could have come from other methods. So, apparently, that meeting this morning worked. We're not seeing this kind of uncomfortable rift between what Brennan has been saying and what the White House would not say, but at least there's this coming together on what Brennan is now conceding that, well, it's impossible to truly know whether that intel could have been obtained through other legal means, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] All right. Good point. Jake Tapper, button this all up for us.
[Tapper:] Well, I just want to say that, you know, breaking news politicians use slippery words and people who are in positions like Brennan's Brennan is often use words very cleverly as well. For instance, he used to say that the drone campaign never killed any innocent people and that's because they defined anybody who was a fighting age male as automatically guilty. I think we heard some of that today as well when he was talking about whether or not any of the language gained through torture led to the killing of bin Laden. He was very clever in what he said. He said individuals who had been subjected to these techniques as he calls them, gave information that led to the tracking down of bin Laden. That's not to say that the torture itself was responsible. Just that the individuals themselves gave that information and in fact if you look at the timeline, it seems like a lot of that information came before they were subjected to the waterboarding. So, there's going to be some parsing going on that I think will be necessary by the press.
[Blitzer:] All right. I know you'll have a lot more coming up on "
[The Lead" 4:] 00 p.m. Eastern. We'll be watching that. I'll be back 5:00 p.m. Eastern in "The Situation Room." Much more coverage coming up. Brooke Baldwin will pick up our special coverage right after a quick break.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] There is serious concern this morning about an extremely deadly virus that may make inroads here in the United States. Scientists here and abroad on high alert this morning. Why? MERS, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, can lead to pneumonia or kidney failure.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Today, two Florida health care workers that went to the E.R. after coming into contact with a MERS patient tested negative. 20 other health care workers in the Orlando area are now being tested. A healthcare worker in Indiana was the first confirmed case in the United States. The fear over this virus are so high that before Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel met with crown prince in Saudi Arabia, everyone entering the room was looked at for fever. Joining us is Dr. David Swerdlow, the CDC's lead scientist on MERS; and our senior medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen. Good to have you both with us. First of all, Elizabeth, I want to begin with you. The CDC is contacting anybody who they believe were passengers on the very same flights as those two U.S. Patients confirmed to have MERS. Do we have any update on how these patients are doing?
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] The cases in Indiana where there was a healthcare worker who flew from Saudi Arabia to Indiana, they contacted all of those people on the flight with that patient and they're all fine. That really speaks to how difficult it is to transmit this virus. Here this patient was on the plane for many hours for a period of time with these patients and none of them it appears got sick. The Florida patient is more complicated. There were several flights, London to Boston, Boston to Atlanta, Atlanta to Orlando, and the CDC right now is in the process of contacting every passenger who was on those flights to see how they're feeling and to ask them to give blood specimens.
[Berman:] Dr., the number of actual cases in the U.S., low single digits at this point. Number is not high. Explain to us why there is so much concern and who exactly is at risk here.
[Dr. David Swerdlow, Infectious Disease Expert, Cdc:] Well, any time you have a virus that is emerged over two years ago and seen in multiple countries and travelers and healthcare workers and has a high fatality rate and really has no vaccine or treatment, we are concerned. We've been expecting that there could be possible cases returning to the United States and we have been preparing for that.
[Pereira:] Doctor, you say no vaccine and I think that gives many of us a bit of panic. I want to ask what is being done in terms of infection protection and in terms of control.
[Swerdlow:] Well, that's exactly right. The most important thing is if you identify a patient is making sure they are protected and make sure that they are not able to give the infection to somebody else. That is why we've developed very careful infection control guidance that we've put out for over a year and a half and have let doctors all around the country know about so if they do identify a patient, that patient is put into a very strict infection control areas and so that no one else can be exposed to that person. That's our best way of preventing onward transmission of this virus.
[Berman:] The high mortality rate has people so concerned here. However, this is not something that passes that easily from person to person. How do you get this? Remind us.
[Swerdlow:] We don't really know 100 percent. We think that there are some cases who have contact with camels. Some patients have had exposure through camels most likely. The other big source is health care facilities and a majority of the cases it appears now have had some contact with healthcare facilities and that is similar to what we saw in 2002 and 2003 with SARS so that's very concerning and why we are preparing and have infection control information on the web and make sure that if a someone comes to the United States with a possible case, we're prepared.
[Pereira:] Elizabeth, real quickly. Give people an idea at home the symptoms to keep lookout for.
[Cohen:] Right. The symptoms are cough and fever and some other flu- like symptoms. When I say these symptoms, I think everyone in the Cohen family had those this past winter. Those are so common. So the people who really need to be concerned are people who are family members of someone who has been confirmed with MERS and only two cases so there aren't that many of those. Healthcare workers who have taken care of people with MERS who have those symptoms. If I were one of them, I would be worried. For most of us, it's not a concern.
[Pereira:] Dr. Swerdlow and our Elizabeth Cohen, thank you so very much. We'll keep an eye on this. Coming up ahead on our show, Jackie Kennedy's private letters to a priest that are being auctioned off. Expressions of her deepest feelings are being sold.
[Berman:] Then take a look at this. What do you think that is? It's a balloon, sort of. It's a bouncy house with kids inside. They were hurt. Leading to so many questions about bouncy houses. Are they really safe? That's ahead @ THIS HOUR.

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, again, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Here are the top stories we're following in the CNN NEWSROOM. More than 94 million Americans are on the move this holiday weekend and so is a brutal winter storm. It's coating parts of the Midwest in ice and snow and across the south, tornados are the big threat. What you need to know before heading home for Christmas. And U.S. troops come under fire while trying to evacuate Americans from South Sudan. We're learning more about the attack and the conditions of the injured service members. And making a critical repair 220 miles from earth, NASA astronauts are doing that right now. We'll show you live pictures of the spacewalk and tell you why their work is vital to the future of the ISS. First up, that dangerous system that is barreling across the U.S. right now, it's threatening multiple states with snow, ice even tornadoes and it's hitting on the same weekend that tens of millions of Americans are heading home for the holidays. In the south, tornadoes are rare in December, but right now, it's the biggest threat. And that risk became a reality last night in Mississippi. A twister touched down there levelling trees, but so far no injuries have been reported. And in the Midwest, snow and ice are creating treacherous conditions on the road and forcing airlines to cancel and even delay flights. Our Nick Valencia is in the icy city of Kansas City, Missouri. So Nick, just how bad are conditions there?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Just in the last few minutes, Fred, it started to sleet pretty steadily here. It's about 23 degrees, but feels much colder, more like 13 degrees. You could see sleets sort of collecting here on top of our camera case. A lot of the country's midsection is really going to see some severe weather this weekend. It's going to make the brunt of the severe weather is going to hit the midsection.
[Valencia:] From cars skidding on frozen roads and some flipping over to flight delays at the nation's airports and expected power outages, it is beginning to look a lot like a holiday travel nightmare.
[Nancy White, Aaa:] It could, indeed, be the perfect storm with an increase in travelers and an increase in the amount of distance travelers are going.
[Valencia:] Here is the wild forecast, ice storm warnings in Oklahoma, severe thunderstorms and possible tornadoes across the south and heavy snow and flooding in the nation's midsection. Who is going to be impacted, more than 94 million Americans traveling this week, already dangerous driving conditions this morning in Kansas and Iowa.
[Unidentified Male:] Just tried to stop. I couldn't. My car went out.
[Valencia:] If you are flying, watch out for possible flight cancellations in the Midwest and up to two-hour delays in Kansas City, Chicago and Dallas with more delays expected up the east coast on Sunday. Travel experts say it is best to check ahead before leaving home.
[Unidentified Female:] We really recommend that travelers be smart. Plan ahead. Take advantage of smartphone technology by keeping up to date on travel and road conditions.
[Valencia:] And while the weather can be a pain for millions around the nation, for some football fans in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it is providing a $10 an hour job for sweeping Lambeau Field for Sunday's game.
[Unidentified Male:] You get the chance to get out and meet people, and get some good exercise and enjoy the cold.
[Valencia:] And we just checked win the airlines, Fred. No cancellations or delays just yet, but conditions here are expected to worsen throughout the afternoon. We're expecting freezing rain and snow. So, bundle up out there.
[Whitfield:] Yes, but like that last gentleman said, enjoy the cold, Nick. Are you enjoying the cold?
[Valencia:] Yes. I'll try. It's really cold out here for California. I'm progressively adding more and more layers. It will be OK, though.
[Whitfield:] Keep adding those layers. You're making it look really easy. Thanks, Nick, appreciate it. Let's go now to the CNN Weather Center where Jennifer Grey is keeping an eye on the dangerous storm system. We laugh, but it is potentially dangerous.
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, it really is especially the severe component to it. This is going to be affecting millions especially people in the south. It's not something on the top of their mind as they're heading out doing Christmas shopping, but they may have a tornado threat this afternoon. So it is something you really don't want to let your guard down. We do have the ice, as well. That's stretching from Oklahoma all the way through Missouri and even portions of Illinois. The tornado watch, though, has been issued this morning and this goes into effect until 6 p.m. Central Time and this affects places like Shreveport, Alexandria, Lake Charles even Beaumont and Houston you're in this, as well. We're already seeing some pretty strong storms starting to fire up. We have actually seen some severe thunderstorm watches, as well. Here's where the severe threat is. We have a slight risk stretching anywhere from Houston all the way to Pensacola, pretty much. That stretches up into portions of Ohio. The moderate risk is more centered around the Arklatex and that heads into Jackson, Memphis, Nashville, you're included in this, as well. We could see isolated tornados, damaging winds, as well. So as we track the storm system late this evening, it is going to be right around Memphis, Jackson, Little Rock, you'll see the showers and storms a little earlier, as well and then just continuing to track to the east as we go through the overnight hours. Atlanta, we could see some pretty strong showers and storms during the overnight hours tonight into tomorrow, as well, and then it just sort of sets up along the east coast. This is mainly a rain event. We have seen a lot of winter storms already this year, but this is mainly a rain event. The reason is, very warm air has been pumping into the southeast and over the east coast. Washington, D.C. has already set a record for today and they set that around 11:00 this morning.
[Whitfield:] A warm record?
[Gray:] Yes, a record.
[Whitfield:] Wow, my goodness.
[Gray:] Very warm. They were around 62 degrees at 11:00 and the record was 61.
[Whitfield:] Wow, OK, well, something tells me people were very excited about hitting the malls then. That means no icy roads are standing in the way of them getting in that last shopping weekend at least in the mid-Atlantic. Thanks so much, Jennifer, appreciate that. All right, now, to this developing story out of Africa. A U.S. aircraft in South Sudan came under heavy gun fire this morning during a mission to evacuate American civilians. Four service members are injured. The country has been in turmoil since the president accused the former vice president of attempting a coup last week and a lot of people had been killed in the clashes since then. Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr joins me now from Washington. So Barbara, this was was this like an attempted evacuation, not necessarily a rescue mission, but just to lift many of these Americans out of this hard to get place in Sudan?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] That's right, Fred. About 30 Americans or so are in this town of Bur in Southern Sudan. We're told mainly working for the United Nations. Here's what happened. Three U.S. military aircraft were trying to land at the airfield and they were going to evacuate these Americans. There is no other way for them to get out of this area right now because of the violence, because of the ongoing war that has erupted in this region. So, they start to approach the airfield. They are flying low and slow on that final approach and they come under fire. Three V-22 aircraft flown by U.S. troops took gunfire. One of the aircraft we are told was seriously damaged, possibly with a fuel leak. Four U.S. troops wounded by this gunfire from the ground, thankfully, all three aircraft made it back t to Uganda. The wounded were flown onto Kenya where they are getting military getting medical care. But make no mistake this is a very serious situation because those Americans that they were trying to get out of there, they are still there. So, the military now reassessing, we are told, how to go back in there, how to evacuate these American citizens out of this region. The feeling is that the American aircraft were definitely targeted mainly perhaps, perhaps by the rebel forces in the region. This is a town that just fell to the rebels a day or so ago. So, this is a very tense situation.
[Whitfield:] Indeed it is. All right, Barbara Starr, thanks so much. Let's find out more on how this is shaping up on the ground there in Sudan. In fact, Secretary of State John Kerry is sending a special envoy to South Sudan. Let's find out if that would make a difference in any way. Nima Elbagir from Khartoum, Sudan right now. So, what is next realistically?
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, as you said, not being called a rescue mission yet. But that does not belie the seriousness of this situation a second town slightly further south from there also falling to the rebels. This isn't one unified rebel faction. This is a number of different groupings that seem it be taking the opportunity that's been posed by the recent disarray in the past few days. The concern has always been with South Sudan. Was there enough infrastructure, to stand independent of North Sudan and the U.S. at the time believes very much, yes, there was some very definite champions. Susan Rice, former ambassador to the U.N. was one of them and she put out a very emotional message on Friday, she is someone who has been very much at the forefront of the U.S. very close relationship with South Sudan. This is a relationship that has spanned the entire 21-year civil war between north and south. She is calling to choose peace. She says that they have their independence. They should try and keep their country together. But at the moment, no one is particularly hopeful. We don't even really have a sense of how many people have died on the ground. Even aid agencies don't really know. The U.N. says they believe it could be between 500 and 600 people. This is a very, very tense situation and the attempted evacuations. Aide workers saying that's not going to help the situation, the civilians on the ground Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] All right, Nima, thanks so much. Keep us posted on that situation there, very tense. All right, back in this country now, four people have been arrested in connection with a deadly carjacking at a New Jersey mall. A man was killed last Sunday after shopping with his wife when he was allegedly confronted by the suspects with a gun. Alexandra Field is following this case for us out of Newark, New Jersey. So Alexandra, what is the latest now?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, this morning, Fred, prosecutors are saying that all four men are being charged with murder and carjacking. It was a busy night for investigators. Overnight they made four arrests both in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. These arrests come less than a week after Dustin Freidland, a 30-year-old attorney from Hoboken, New Jersey, was shot and killed outside a New Jersey shopping mall. Police say that the suspects were after his silver Range Rover. Prosecutors spoke this morning saying that carjackings reached epidemic levels here in Essex County, New Jersey, a couple of years ago since then law enforcement officials have been fighting to try to stop the problem.
[Paul Fishman, U.s. Attorney:] You have the right to be safe and the expectation that you should be safe in this county in the state of New Jersey. And, in particular, you shouldn't have to worry that wherever you go, whether it's in downtown Newark or the Short Hills Mall or anywhere else that someone would put a gun to your head and take your car.
[Field:] The four suspects are all between the ages of 29 and 33. Along with murder and carjacking charges, they also face weapons charges. If convicted of all charges, they face a maximum sentence of life in prison and, Fred, each of the four men are being held on $2 million bail.
[Whitfield:] And what more was revealed, if anything, by investigators about the weapon or how this went from a carjacking to a shooting. What words may have been exchanged, any more details?
[Field:] Sure, Fred. What we know is that Freidland had just finished shopping at the mall with his wife. We are told that he had helped her into the passenger seat, opening the car door for her. Investigators believed that after that he walked around the back of the car and believe there may have been some sort of struggle before shots were fired. His wife jumped out of the car. Two of the suspects then took off that car. Police say the other two suspects took off in another and at this time, investigators say they have not recovered the murder weapon.
[Whitfield:] So sad. All right, Alexandra Field, thanks so much. All right, way up in space, what's it like to float weightlessly and be a repairman, so to speak, at the same time. We'll ask someone who has actually done that, quite a few times, next.

[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning and welcome to NEW DAY. It's Monday, June 23rd, 6:00 in the east. There is clearly a lot going on today including some of the big news. Team USA is still in it at the World Cup. Chris is down in Brazil in the middle of it all. Good morning, Chris.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Kate, we are live in Rio de Janeiro, one of the most exciting cities in the world. It lived up to its reputation last night as the fans are going crazy during the U.S.-Portugal match. Now the major moment, the final seconds, the U.S. just takes from victory when Portugal ties the game at 2-all. What? The big news, though, the American side is still alive, earning a much needed point in the standings and even more importantly, much needed confidence.
[Cuomo:] From the beginning, U.S.-Portugal was bigger than a game.
[Unidentified Male:] We were supposed to be in Spain. Go to the World Cup. We went to the game a couple nights ago. There was a bunch of Honduran fans and Ecuadorian fans. They wanted a picture with the
[U.s. Cuomo:] There's a mantra surrounding U.S. soccer and bold predictions for Portugal match. Bravado put to the test before 40,000 in a stadium in Manaus, Brazil, 20,000 more packed in a rock concert atmosphere in Rio that dozens of nations colors you see reflecting the millions and millions more around the world, bearing World Cup witness. But the most daunting audience, 11 men from Portugal, the old world masters. Among them, the king of soccer, Ronaldo. It only takes minutes for reality to strike the American side. But now, it becomes a fairy tale, American drama. The atmosphere in the stadium, red hot, literally. The heat index above 90 degrees forcing the first official World Cup water break. The Americans rally soon after finding their opportunities. Defense led by goalie Tim Howard denying Portugal again and again. A second half brings a second wind. The crowd stirs as the ball begins to bounce between the white shirts and then Jermaine Jones finishes for a score heard from Manaus to Manhattan shaking the rocky cliffs. Once this spell is broken, the U.S. shows it is more than a one goal wonder. Clint Dempsey, broken nose and all displays why he is the captain. As the minutes tick down, it looks like a fairy tale ending, U.S. supporters are everywhere.
[Unidentified Male:] We believe that we can win.
[Cuomo:] Could they really avoid the venomous feet of the great Ronaldo? The answer, yes, until less than a minute to go when another last second goal would marked a U.S. match. But this time, the U.S. falls victim.
[Unidentified Male:] Ronaldo. A great cross. It is an equalizer.
[Cuomo:] A tie isn't a win, but it awards the U.S. another valuable point making the chances of moving on that much better. And showing the U.S. can go toe-to-toe with the best. It's infectious, we believe that we will win. So what do we know? The U.S. has to keep doing it the hard way. They are going to need a strong showing against Germany. They don't have to win, but they believe they can and that's what Jermaine Jones tells me in our interview this morning. He scored that strong first goal for the U.S. Here is what he had to say about the big match.
[Jermaine Jones, Team Usa:] I think the whole team, after the game was upset where we know that we have like 30 seconds to go. We will be like one of the 16 teams in the next round and yes, we give them a chance to come back and score a goal. But I think you make two mistakes and they score.
[Cuomo:] It was odd that two mistakes as you say, one, just a few minutes into the game and one just a few seconds left. Does that make it easier or harder to deal with?
[Jones:] Mistakes happen and we have to learn that we step on. We have to try to take something from the German game. We still can go to the next round so we don't try to make us so much crazy about what happened. We have to step on and hope that we get points against Germany.
[Cuomo:] Let's talk about your goal. It was so important because after Portugal scored early like that, everybody started to think, no, is tonight not the American's night. How did your goal happen?
[Jones:] Say that we have to shoot more and some players come to me and say we shoot in training. I try to shoot and he said yes, I shoot. We celebrate.
[Cuomo:] You did celebrate and rightly so. So, we were hearing about the heat. There was the first water break called in the tournament because of the heat. What was it like, the conditions on the field?
[Jones:] The conditions were really hot, but the team show face and yes, we are 100 percent lucky that we finished the group. We are done for the next round. We have to go still against Germany.
[Cuomo:] Did you feel the heat was affecting your play? Did it make guys feel a little bit slower or more tired?
[Jones:] No, what I'm saying before, it's not easy to play out there, but the team was fighting and everybody run for each other. You can see it after the first goal from Portugal. We try to push and try to come back to the game. Yes, we were 2-1 in front, close to 30 seconds for end of the game, so, I think the team the team makes a good job and a good work out there.
[Cuomo:] It's true, anybody can do it when it's easy, right. You guys show that you can come back when it was hard, even when it was very hot and go toe-to-toe with the best. Does that give you confidence into the Germany game?
[Jones:] I think the important stuff is that we always trust in ourselves and a lot of people were saying that this is the group of death and we have no chance to come to the next round. So, today, we were close to be one of the teams from this group to be maybe in the next round. So, we give it up with our own hands. But, yes, we have to what I'm saying before, we have to go and Germany is a tough team, but we have a lot of respect for this team. But we are not scared.
[Cuomo:] At least you know what they are saying on the pitch, right? Like a spy out there.
[Jones:] Yes. If they talk German, yes, we have a lot of players that will understand what they are saying on the pitch, but I think it's not so important what their talk on the pitch. We have to stop them. They don't play the game that they want and if we do that like a team, we have a good chance to win.
[Cuomo:] One more thing, the big chance that Americans have right now is all your fans were screaming "I believe that we can win, I believe that we can win." How do you feel? Do you believe that you can win when you go in the next match?
[Jones:] I believe the whole time. Before the World Cup starts we know we have a tough group and everybody was talking about this group. But I think the team the team is not important with the people outside talking. We 100 percent believe that we can make to it the next round. This is what we try on Thursday.
[Cuomo:] You looked great last night. You battled back. As you were saying, anybody can play from ahead. You guys showed you can do it when it's hard. Hopefully you carry to it the next match. I don't know if you can see me, I got the same jersey on that you guys wore last night. I don't look as good, but I feel as good for you guys this morning. Congratulations. Good luck in next match.
[Jones:] OK. Thank you.
[Cuomo:] They're obviously tired. What a long night doing interviews after all of it. Can you imagine that? So what happens next? What are the chances that the U.S. advances to the round of 16? These are all important questions. It takes savvy, knowledge and an Italian last name to know the answers. Luckily we have all three in the form of CNN's Lara Baldesarra. It's very good to be with you. You were tutoring me all night as you watched the match. Big surprises to you in terms of how they showed themselves on the pitch?
[Lara Baldesarra, Cnn Sports:] I was a little surprised that the USA didn't start a true striker. We knew that Jozy Altidore was injured, so they'd have to fill somebody. They have to bring on somebody. I thought it was going to be Chris Wondolowski because he has been a critical finisher for the USA. They didn't. They instead the one change that they made to their starting 11 was Graham Zusi who played in his first ever World Cup game. He was a hugely impactful player. You saw him. He was running up and down that far lane, the entire game making some great crosses in. This is a guy, I'll tell you. His pre-game routine used to be him watching videos on YouTube in order to get himself pumped up. I don't know if he did the same thing ahead of the game. Whatever he did, it certainly work because he was a big part.
[Cuomo:] All right, so we have this big twist at the end. It goes from a victory to a tie. Take us through the different permutations here as we go into the Germany match, what has to happen? How do they wind up losers and what's the minimum they need to achieve to move on?
[Baldesarra:] This is a great situation. It's not the ideal situation meaning they haven't already secured progression. All the USA needs now is a draw against Germany. Hear me out on this one. They are playing Germany. The USA's coach, Jurgen Klinsmann, German legend, won the World Cup with Germany, was the manager, the head coach of the German national team back in 2006.
[Cuomo:] Baldesarra is about to get controversial here.
[Baldesarra:] I am. I wouldn't be surprised he said, fellow German buddies, all we both need is a draw. You guys finish on top of the group and we'll go through as well and I know that that's not a common thing to say.
[Cuomo:] Suggesting collusion between two teams in the World Cup?
[Baldesarra:] I am suggesting that Jurgen Klinsmann was asked about it. He said absolutely not. We are not going to do that. We are not friends right now, me and my fellow Germans. We are going out there and the USA is going to win. To me the USA is in the top spot. If I was Portugal and Germany, I would not be too happy about this right now.
[Cuomo:] Even though there's no substance to the allegation, you insist maybe the two teams will take it easy on each other.
[Baldesarra:] Absolutely. I'm putting that one up.
[Cuomo:] With confidence?
[Baldesarra:] One hundred percent confidence. I will be shocked if the USA comes out and wins, I'm wrong. Then you can replay this. I know you will.
[Cuomo:] But Lara has been great to me here. We'll be back with you this morning. It's so helpful, Kate and Mickey, to have somebody to explain what's going on. The World Cup is complicated, but one thing is for sure, the environment last night, the atmosphere so electric to us. We'll tell you more about it later this morning. Back to you.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Certainly kept me up past my bedtime last night.
[Bolduan:] Absolutely. It looks like you had the appropriate amount of fun watching game. We're very impressed with Chris.
[Pereira:] Let's take a look at the rest of your headlines. Breaking this morning, despite an international outcry, three journalists from Al Jazeera have been sentenced to seven years in an Egyptian prison. The trio was arrested last year on charges of aiding the Muslim Brotherhood, endangering national security and aiding terrorists. Al Jazeera issued a statement criticizing this decision. There are currently 167 journalists in prison around the world. Developing overnight, Israeli jets targeted nine Syrian military targets. This comes hours after an Israeli teen was killed by an attack from the Syrian border. This is the first death on the Israeli side since the civil war erupted in Syria more than three years ago. Israel continues the search for three teens abducted more than a week ago. Those are your headlines right now, a quick look at them. Kate, over to you.
[Bolduan:] Thanks, Michaela. Breaking overnight, Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in Baghdad for key meetings with the Iraqi government. We're going to take you live to Baghdad in just a moment. Also we're going to have my one-on-one interview with President Obama. His warning to Iraqi leaders. What they have to prove in order to keep U.S. assistance in the fight against ISIS. That's ahead.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news. A state of emergency. The governor of Missouri activating the National Guard, preparing for the worst. Michael Brown's family attorney reacts OUTFRONT. Plus the beheading of a third American hostage. This time the ISIS video holds new clues. And close friend of hostage Peter Kassig is OUTFRONT. And another woman accuses America's favorite television dad of rape, Bill Cosby, under fire tonight. Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. Breaking news, a state of emergency in Ferguson, Missouri. The governor of the state of Missouri activating the National Guard tonight as a tense city awaits the grand jury's decision on whether to indict Officer Darren Wilson. That decision is expected any day at this time. Already hundreds of demonstrators have taken to the street today, in a very chilly day in Ferguson. And in St. Louis yesterday, protesters blocked a major intersection in a demonstration that marked 100 days since Michael Brown was killed. Nearby, dozens staged that dying that you see here, lying in the streets. Pretending to be shot by other demonstrators portraying police officers. We'll hear from an attorney for the Brown family in just a moment. But first, Sara Sidner begins our coverage OUTFRONT in Ferguson. And Sara, how is the town reacting to the governor's decision to activate the National Guard before the grand jury says anything?
[Sara Sidner, Cnn National Correspondent:] You know, it really depends who you talk to. But just about everyone believes that this must mean that the grand jury decision is going to be coming down, the announcement very, very soon. Some folks happy to hear what the governor is doing including the mayor of St. Louis. Some folks, most of the protesters saying it seem to be premature. And they're angry about because they don't want to be painted as violent.
[Sidner:] On a day protesters marched to the St. Louis County Prosecutor's Office Building, Missouri's governor declared a state of emergency in preparation for whatever may come when the grand jury releases its decision on whether or not to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the killing of unarmed teen Michael Brown. The St. Louis mayor welcomed the decision.
[Mayor Francis G. Slay, St. Louis:] I agree with the governor's decision and this is why. First of all, we don't know what's going to happen or when it's going to happen, or what the reaction is going to be. I think we need to make sure that we are prepared for whatever may happen.
[Sidner:] But the governor's actions have angered some protesters who say their demonstrations have been peaceful for weeks and his decision is premature. The decision comes after these images of Officer Darren Wilson were released this weekend. The surveillance tapes released to the "St. Louis Post-Dispatch" show Wilson entering and leaving the Ferguson Police Station after the August 9th shooting. Though images aren't crystal clear, Wilson does not appear to have any major wounds to his face, as initially reportedly by a source speaking on behalf of Wilson to a local radio station. The police department later said Wilson had no major facial injuries but had slight swelling. Also released to the "Post-Dispatch" police radio traffic that details the final moments before and after the shooting of Brown. They reveal a better timeline. But sources say when Wilson initially told Brown to get out of the middle of the street, he did not know Brown was the suspect in a theft of cigars. But the audio seems to reveal moments later, he realizes Brown and his friend fit the description given by this dispatcher.
[Unidentified Male:] He's with another male, he's got red Cardinals hat, white T-shirt, yellow socks and khaki shorts. He's walking up
[Sidner:] Wilson is soon heard saying this, and going after Brown and his friend.
[Unidentified Male:] 21, put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car.
[Sidner:] A confrontation then ensues at the car. Forensic evidence revealed in the autopsy later shows two shots were fired inside the car. Then more shots rang out, killing Brown. But you would never know that from the police radio traffic released by the department. All you can hear after the shooting is this. A woman wailing and another officer calling for back-up.
[Unidentified Female:] Frank 25.
[Unidentified Male:] Get us several more units over here. There is going to be a problem.
[Sidner:] Now we don't know why you cannot hear any audio of Wilson calling in. But there were shots fired. We do not have that information from the department yet. We also heard from the police chief over the weekend who made a statement about the potential of Wilson's returning to the force if indeed he is not indicted by the grand jury. There was a lot of talk here in this town. And basically what was said is there is still an internal investigation that has to happen at the department, along with the federal investigation. And of course the department would be worried about his safety as much as anything else Erin.
[Burnett:] All right, Sara. Thank you so much. And OUTFRONT tonight the attorney for Michael Brown's family, Benjamin Crump. Good to have you with us, Mr. Crump. The governor of Missouri, as we just reported, activating the National Guard. The grand jury has not announced whether it will even charge Darren Wilson. Is the governor right to be afraid violence or is he way out of bounds here?
[Benjamin Crump, Brown Family Attorney:] Well, Erin, Michael Brown's parents have asked that everybody who supports them, who are exercising their First Amendment rights to free speech, do so in a nonviolent, peaceful, constructive way. And they have confidence in the people of Ferguson. They're good people. And all the people coming out of town, we want to say, we want you to govern yourselves accordingly like the people of Ferguson. But also, law enforcement need to also not be aggressive because this is not just what the people in support of Michael Brown did. This was also inappropriate acts on behalf of the civil law enforcement as well.
[Burnett:] And Mr. Crump, you're in the George Zimmerman case, of course, you faced off against Mark O'Mara. He was on the show last week and I just want to say share with you what he had to say. He said the criminal justice system is still the best in the world. Talking about the system here in the United States. People are going to complain no matter what happens. Had the prosecutor made the decision and he was talking about not going to the grand jury, there would have been a complaint that it didn't to go a grand jury. We have 12 people who came from the community, a cross section of the community, who have spent months and months on this. Do you agree with him that a grand jury was the right way to go?
[Crump:] I think this is best system in the world America has. No, I do not believe the grand jury was the best way to go. You have probable cause here, Erin. You had multiple eyewitnesses, you have forensic evidence. And remember, the grand jury is only the probable cause standard is far less than beyond a reasonable doubt. But this is the point, Erin. They say what this prosecutor is doing is so fair. This is the right thing to do. But if it's so fair, does that mean what he's done for the past 20 some odd years as prosecutor is unfair to everybody else? Because if it is fair for the police, then it should be fair for everybody else who has ever been charged with a crime. Why do they change the rules when it is our children dead on the ground?
[Burnett:] If, though to your point. Since the burden of proof is lower, it's much easier for a grand jury to charge than it is for a jury to actually say guilty or innocent. Wouldn't it by definition be all right to go ahead with a grand jury, which after all, in most of the country at least, the standard I understand the prosecutor here did have a decision to make. He could have chosen the other way. But
[Crump:] It's not appropriate to say that just because you're police, you get a grand jury. We're all Americans. The Fourteen Amendment applies to Michael Brown, Jr. just like it applies to Officer Darren Wilson. And it's due process. If there is probably cause for Michael Brown to be charged, then there should be due process for Darren Wilson to charge. There is no special thing because you're a police officer that you can use excessive force. And to the point of the grand jury being an easier burden, it's also a secret proceeding. If Ferguson stands for any proposition, it is that we have to do better with the community trust and the law enforcement and the prosecutors. There is no there is no trust there, Erin. No trust. So the best thing is to be transparent.
[Burnett:] And in terms of transparency, though, I have to say one thing that shocked me about this is that it has seemed overly transparent in some ways. I mean, everything has leaked out here. Is that something that's good or something that frankly sort of disgusts you?
[Crump:] It disgusts me, Erin. And the reason it disgusts me because if we're to have this secret proceeding, we wouldn't have all these leaks. The hardest thing to do is to vet a leak. How do you respond to a leak. Obviously the person who leaked it leaked it for had ulterior motives. So now they have leaked something out. You can't defend it because it's anonymous. And you don't know it's so unfair to Michael Brown's parents. It's so unfair to his family to have to deal with this process after losing your child less than 100 days ago.
[Burnett:] So one thing happened today, you know, a leak that just leak that just happened, it seemed to play to your side here. And I want to play the video again of Officer Wilson. This of course came from the "St. Louis Post-Dispatch." I know you've seen it. I want to show it again for our viewers. You see Wilson leaving the police station after the shooting. When you first saw this you released statement which in part said information was leaked from within the police department that Wilson was severely beaten and suffered an orbital socket blowout indicating Michael Brown somehow deserved to die. From the video that we just showed, it would appear the initial descriptions of his injuries were exaggerated. So I just say that to show there is something that leaked that would seem to support your view. But I remember the George Zimmerman video that was it's sort of the same way. He didn't appear to be injured. Then we got those stills and he did have blood all over his face and a swollen nose. Is it possible that the stills of Officer Wilson might look that way?
[Crump:] All I'll say is, that was not a leak, Erin. That was a freedom of information act that took, for whatever reason, 100 days and they gave it to the "St. Louis Post-Dispatch." I understand everybody requested it.
[Burnett:] Yes.
[Crump:] So we don't know why it came out this time. So you, in the media, you can point that out. To your question about the eye injury. They suggested it was this horrible eye injury that he suffered. All I know is this video was taken two hours after he had been in the police department. He was on the scene for some time after Michael Brown was laying dead on the ground. If he was so horribly injured, wouldn't he have went to the hospital? How severe could the injury have been if he went to the police department and talked to his team for two hours and then they made a decision for him to go to the hospital? Michael Brown's family says the people have to judge that for themselves.
[Burnett:] Which is a very fair point. And I do just want to know, of course, for the record, Mr. Crump, here at CNN we didn't report that orbital eye injury. Other media outlets, though, as you point out, did, but we didn't actually report that injury here. Thank you so much for your time, sir. I always appreciate talking to you. Thanks.
[Crump:] Thank you, Erin.
[Burnett:] And OUTFRONT next, did Darren Wilson follow police procedure when he shot Michael Brown? You always hear about this, he was 30 feet away, 35 feet away. Well, what does that mean? It means something truly crucial. We have an investigation on that. Plus, a new ISIS video of another American hostage beheaded. But this one is very different and we'll show you exactly why. And the police shotgun range, and a fully stocked bar, and the governor of a state rumbling through and a tank to celebrate. That's next.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. President Obama's offering no apologies for the deal he made to set free Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. This as criticism of the deal only seems to be growing louder, as do questions about Bergdahl's service record. Let's try to get some perspective here from what's going on with Bowe Bergdahl. Remember, he was held captive for five years. Bit of recovery from that alone will be very, very difficult indeed. And we're lucky to have joining us from Paris a man who understands this situation very well, Pentagon press secretary Real Admiral John Kirby. Admiral, thank you very much for joining us.
[Rear Admiral John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary:] Thanks for having me, Chris.
[Cuomo:] Admiral, what do we understand about the current condition of Bowe Bergdahl, physically, mentally? What are you getting a sense of?
[Kirby:] Well, the doctors are telling us there in Germany that he's in stable condition and he's improving steadily every day. They're of course working very hard to bring him through this reintegration process carefully, in a measured, deliberate way. Nobody's going to go any faster than he's ready to go, but we do hear that he is improving, that he's engaging with the medical staff there, that he's talking. And so the signs with are in a positive direction right now.
[Cuomo:] To be clear for people who don't understand these types of situations as well and how could we really? Five years in captivity this is not the end for Bowe Bergdahl just because he's now free, right? The process of recovery is only beginning?
[Kirby:] I think that's exactly right, Chris. And, more importantly, the process will only go as fast as he and his doctors are ready to let it go. Nobody's going to be rushing him back into society and even back home. I think we're going to take our time; he's going to take his time. I mean, you have to remember and you pointed out that he was gone for five years in captivity, which I'm sure was harsh in all kinds of different ways. And he's going to need the time and space to reacquaint himself, to get a better handle on his emotions, his memories, and then eventually to be reunited with his family and his community back home. I think everybody is just going to have to be patient.
[Cuomo:] Let's see if you can help us with some of the fact sensitivity surrounding the circumstances of his disappearance and eventual capture. Do you believe at this point that he left of his own free will? Is it considered a desertion?
[Kirby:] The army has not declared him a deserter, Chris. There was an investigation done. It's a classified investigation so I'm not at liberty to talk about the details here. But I think, as Secretary McHugh and General Odierno made clear, the army is going to do a comprehensive review. They're going to look at his situation again, the circumstances surrounding his disappearance. And a key to that is going to be talking to Sergeant Bergdahl himself. Because there's really only one man who knows exactly what happened with respect to his disappearance and his captivity, and that's Sergeant Bergdahl himself.
[Cuomo:] What can you tell us about these points of reporting the speculation that Taliban radio traffic said that he was taken from the actual OP, from a latrine? The suggestion that he supposedly tried to escape captivity? And the suggestion that he disappeared twice before, once during training and once while in theater in Afghanistan? Can you address those points?
[Kirby:] Well, actually, what I can say is we're going to do a review. We're going to look at all of these things. The army is going to take a look at the circumstances surrounding his disappearance and I don't want to prejudge that and I don't want to get ahead of that. I don't think that would be fair to the army and it certainly wouldn't be fair to Sergeant Bergdahl.
[Cuomo:] The suggestion that he tried to escape, do you know that that is true?
[Kirby:] I don't have any facts pertaining to his time in captivity. We really have to get a chance to talk to Sergeant Bergdahl before we can start to prejudge or speculate about what the specifics of his captivity was like.
[Cuomo:] Now, of course, incident reports are done very painstakingly in the field. A lot of the people not a lot. People who served with him have come forward. They are distressed. They believe that men were killed in action searching for Bowe Bergdahl. The field reports seem to contradict that. What is the army's position?
[Kirby:] We do not have any indication at this time that there were specific casualties caused by his disappearance or the search for him in the aftermath. But, again, the army is going to review this. They're going to take and then we'll see where it goes. But I think it's really important that we don't rush to judgment here. And one of the things that everybody in the military fights for is the right of being innocent until proven guilty, a fair process, a due process, a chance to be heard out. And I think it's really unfortunate and frankly, I don't think it does anybody any favors for folks to be out there speculating and criticizing him when he hasn't even had a chance to tell his own side of the story. So I really think we need to, as I said at the outset, we need to be patient in terms of his reintegration back into society. We need to be patient in terms of the due process that he deserves.
[Cuomo:] And what do you make of the criticism of his parents by some in the media, really judging them and this situation kind of helping and cooperating and kind of encouraging Bowe Bergdahl not to live up to his duties? Is there any basis for any of that?
[Kirby:] There's no basis, Chris, that I've seen. I think it's reprehensible, frankly, to be dragging the family through this right now. I think they have enough on their plate. I think they're rightfully worried about their son and I think we need to give that family a little bit of space.
[Cuomo:] Amen to that. What perspective can you give on the deal itself? OK, we know these are bad guys. We know they're putting them back. We know there's no real ways to make sure they never reenter the fray. All of that has to be accepted as just a reasonable assumption. Why, in the estimation of the military,was this a deal worth making?
[Kirby:] Secretary of Defense has said it many times. He was comfortable with the decision that he made. He was comfortable with the assurances that we got from the Emir of Qatar, that this was in the national interest and the risk was substantially mitigated. The risk was substantially mitigated. Is it eliminated? No. It's of course not eliminated, you said that well yourself. But it is substantially mitigated. And while I can't go into the details of assurances that we got from the government of Qatar, again, the secretary believes that his concerns were satisfied and that this was in the national interest.
[Cuomo:] And if you can, just yesno me on this last one. It is our understanding that this decision, the exigency of it, doing it without notifying Congress, wasn't so much about the feelings of Bergdahl's health, but the sensitivity of the circumstances surrounding the trade, that it could fall apart and that his life would be in danger. Timing was of the essence, yes or no?
[Kirby:] Yes, timing was of the essence, Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right. Thank you very much for helping us advance the perspective on this. Obviously there's a lot of speculation out there. And when we can nail some of it down, it's very important to do that to keep proper perspective for the audience. Thank you very much, Admiral. Enjoy your time there on a very important day for America's history.
[Kirby:] It is a very important day, indeed. Thanks for having me, Chris.
[Cuomo:] Always a pleasure, sir. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Always good to have him. Coming up next on NEW DAY, new excerpts from Hillary Clinton's new book, offering a rare insight into her decision making, her thoughts on Bowe Bergdahl, Benghazi and Iraq. But what did she say about attacking Sarah Palin? That's coming up on Inside Politics.

[Obama:] Russia has not lifted a finger to help. In fact, there's strong evidence that they have encouraging the kinds of activities that have been taking place.
[Blackwell:] That's President Obama, his comments from Malaysia overnight. The president said the world is united against Russia in its actions there in Ukraine. The tension between Kiev and pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, this is heating up. Russian state news is claiming Kiev mobilized 15,000 troops in the suburbs of Slaviansk to, quote, "wipe out the city and its residents."
[Paul:] Frightening. On Russia's side of the border, there are 40,000 troops conducting military exercises. This is according to Moscow. Now, meanwhile, a group of European observers are in the hands of pro-Russian gunmen. I want to bring in retired U.S. Army General James "Spider" Marks. Thank you for being with us. GEN. JAMES "SPIDER" MARKS
[Cnn Military Analyst:] My pleasure.
[Paul:] In this situation, do you see any way to avoid some sort of military confrontation?
[Marks:] Well, Christi, the military confrontation is already taking place. Kiev has an obligation to maintain peace, order, control, in all of its sovereign territory and Slaviansk and Donetsk, and eastern Ukraine certainly is a part of it. That's not challenged internationally. Russia is instigating this. And the president is absolutely correct. I challenge him at one point. Putin is raising a finger and he's raising a finger to instigate the violence and the chaos that you see in east Ukraine. Clearly, Putin and the government in Kiev, Moscow and Kiev should be able to talk, because it appears right now that they have a coalescing of the same objective, both want some form of stability. Putin doesn't want to see this thing spin out of control. His concern is for Russian, ethnic Russians in east Ukraine. And the Kiev government certainly wants to maintain order in its country and within its borders. So you'd think there might be some degree of an agreement. Clearly, that's not the case right now.
[Blackwell:] General, you said that this already, military confrontation. My question pulls the string of with whom and which country? If we take into context the buzzing of U.S. ships, the flying Russian jets flying into U.S. air space. Is Putin looking specifically for a military confrontation with the U.S., not just Ukraine?
[Marks:] Well, the Russians didn't do anything about U.S. air space. What they did is overflied a naval. They have penetrated Ukrainian air space, Victor. So, it is very provocative, absolutely. These are clear indications of tension being ratcheted up. But again, Russia has already invaded Ukraine, they annexed Crimea, which is a part of Ukraine. So we've got to take that discussion of trying to find our way around the edges on this thing and tighten it up and say, look, the Russians have invaded Ukraine, they've annexed Crimea. There is instigation that's taking place in east Ukraine, and clearly Putin doesn't gain if this thing completely spins out of control and he has the responsibility to try to clean up the mess in east Ukraine. I would anticipate that the forces that are north of Ukraine, the Russian forces that are north of Ukraine right now really is the strategic provocative action that's taking place right now. Clearly, Putin has the authority to exercise his own forces in his own country, but the message that he's sending Ukraine and the rest of the world is, look, I mean business here. But I tell you, Russian history tells you that they like instability on their borders, as long as they can control that instability and know what the outcome is. Makes it more difficult to threaten Russia and Moscow. In this case, Putin's concerned that he can't control what's taking place in Ukraine, so he's keeping the forces there to ensure that if it spins out of control to, in his view, he can react.
[Blackwell:] All right. General Spider Marks, thank you so much.
[Marks:] Thank you, folks.
[Paul:] Thank you. So, new this morning, listen to this, after all of the criticisms of the Malaysian government over the handling of flight 370, President Obama is defending them.
[Blackwell:] Earlier today at a joint news conference, Mr. Obama said he believes the Malaysian government has been forthcoming with information to the U.S. he also vowed to provide more assistance and support to the search.
[Paul:] Meanwhile the high-tech underwater robot the Bluefin-21 scouring the ocean floor right now. We've learned it's the robot's 15th mission. So far not a single piece of debris has been found.
[Blackwell:] Above the surface, the sea and air search have been suspended because of bad weather in the area.
[Paul:] All right. We want to take you to an unprecedented event in Vatican City today. Two new saints welcomed into the church by two living popes. This is history.
[Blackwell:] It is indeed. We're going to take you live to Vatican City as millions gather to celebrate this historic canonization.

[Anderson:] You're watching Connect the World tonight live from Abu Dhabi. We're going to return now to our extended coverage of the Middle East, a region grappling with both new challenges brought about by unprecedented change and decades-long conflict. First, to the civil war in Syria where government forces have reportedly taken a rebel stronghold in the central city of Homs. The Kaliniya neighborhood under rebel control for about a year. And it's a strategic area for whoever wants to control Homs. It's a city that some analysts think the Syrian conflict, though, is spilling over into other countries like Iraq where violence has left an estimated 2,500 Iraqis dead since April, according to the UN. Earlier today, a wave of bomb attacks left at least 51 people dead, mostly in Shia areas of Baghdad. And in Egypt, the ouster of former President Mohamed Morsy has set off a bloody confrontation between his supporters and the country's new leaders. And to Tunisia, tensions have been rising following last week's assassination of an opposition politician, the second such killing in six months. On Monday, the government said it will hold general elections in December to diffuse the situation. Well, we've got correspondents across the region monitoring these developments. In a moment, we'll go to Reza Sayah with the latest from Cairo for you. First, though, to Nick Paton Walsh who is tonight in Beirut with the latest on Syrian government gains on the ground in Homs. Nick, what is the significance of today's military gains for what is the Syrian government troops?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, even certain rebels accept they've had to retreat in Khaladiya. It's important, because it's been a place that the regime hasn't been able to get into for over a year. And once you control it, particularly the regime can place particular pressure on the old city of Homs, making them closer to their obvious goal of taking that city. Homs itself is important, because it sits on the road between the coast, the Mediterranean and the capital. And the regime very much want to hold on to that for the years ahead if they have to create a ShiaAlawi enclave near the sea. This part of the broader narrative they've been pushing for the last couple of months since Hezbollah openly joined their side and they made the assault on the border town of al Qusayr, that they are now on the front foot forward advancing, Becky.
[Anderson:] Nick's in Beirut on the Syria story for you this evening. Over in Egypt, the European Union's top diplomat Catherine Ashton is trying to diffuse tensions between supporters of the deposed president Morsy and the military installed government that now officials say that she will actually be allowed to visit Morsy in custody. Earlier, the government denied its planning to declare a state of emergency after a decree was signed giving new powers to the interim prime minister. Well, he spoke with CNN's Hala Gorani sitting in for Christiane Amanpour on her show a short time ago. And given that we haven't seen the deposed president in what is nearly a month, she asked him where Morsy has been during this time.
[Hala Gorani, Cnn International Correpsondent:] The big question now is, where is Mohammed Morsy? There was an AP report there was an AP report that he's in prison, being interrogated, sometimes five straight hours. Is that the case?
[Hazem El-beblawi, Egyptian Interim Prime Minister:] Mohammed Morsy was kept to save his life. But I understand now that the European Commission sent their commissioner, Lady Ashton, which who is in Cairo now, and I understand that she will go to see him.
[Anderson:] All right, well let's bring in Reza Sayah from the capital Cairo. Reza, any further details on when and where Cathy Ashton will visit Mohamed Morsy? There's been much speculation about where he might be at this point.
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yeah, that's not clear at this point. Authorities are telling us it could happen tonight. It could happen tomorrow, but I think the situation here has become so dire that a lot of people are looking for any glimmer of hope. And I think that glimmer of hope came today to Cairo courtesy of Catherine Ashton, the EU foreign policy chief, as you heard the interim prime minister telling CNN's Hala Gorani that Ashton will be meeting with the ousted president Mohamed Morsy. As far as we understand, she will be the first international political figure to be allowed to meet with Mr. Morsy ever since he was ousted back on July 3rd. And I think moving forward, Catherine Ashton, who has been trying to play the role of mediator in this conflict, is going to play a key role, because if you look at the situation domestically in these fighting factions, there's absolutely no indication, no evidence that they're able to sit down and talk to one another. They're taking a warlike attitude and us against them mentality, really digging in. So more and more, I think a lot of people looking onto the international community, people like Catherine Ashton, to see if they can play a key role and get these two sides to sit down and reconcile Becky.
[Anderson:] Your correspondent in Cairo, Reza Sayah this evening with the very latest on the story out of Egypt. And just to let you know, you can see more of that interview with Egypt's interim prime minister tonight on Amanpour coming up after this show, 10:00 in London, 11:00 pm in Berlin right here on CNN. All right, the latest world news headlines are just ahead as you would expect from this network. Plus, Pope Francis speaks freely on his plane ride back to Rome, causing quite a stir among the Catholic faithful. Plus, ever wonder how the modern Formula 1 race car came to be? Well, we will show you. And president and much more. We take a look at the Russian president's many talents. Stay with us, we're out of Abu Dhabi for you this evening. I'm Becky Anderson, this is CONNECT THE WORLD.

[Costello:] We'll get back into the investigation in Flight 370 in just a minute. But, first, officials say the number of people missing in Washington state's landslide has dropped dramatically to 90 from 176. At least 24 people were killed Saturday when a massive hillside crashed down on towns in the Cascade Mountains. Eight bodies have been found, but still not recovered. I guess they've been detected but not recovered. Some are asking if this tragedy could have been prevented after a nearby landslide in 2006 and expert warnings about new construction. For victims' families, the focus is on coping with this. Here's more from CNN's Ana Cabrera.
[Cabrera:] This morning, a mother's unspeakable pain after her son pulled the body of her daughter from the debris.
[Rae Smith, Lost Her Daughter In Landslide:] My heart is broken. It's broken.
[Cabrera:] Summer Raffo was driving on a state road at the time of the slide. Rescue workers continue their mission five days after the side of this hill came cascading down on Snohomish County. Peter Selvig, a volunteer with the state's Incident and Response team knows this community well. He's lived here for 40 years. Familiar places on this map have a new somber reality.
[Unidentified Male:] This guy lived and his wife died. We were on the school board together for about 30 years.
[Cabrera:] The heavy equipment used to breakthrough concrete and lumber continues to unearth personal tragedies.
[Eric Finzimer, Firefighter:] We can't lose hope. We're here to find those people.
[Cabrera:] Governor Inslee telling CNN he expects the death toll to rise significantly.
[Governor Jay Inslee, Washington State:] I don't think anyone could reach any other conclusion. The force of this landslide just defies imagination.
[Cabrera:] This daring rescue of a 4-year-old boy plucked from the mud on Saturday is one of several miraculous stories of survival. The man who helped saved him telling CNN, he saw his own grandson in the boy.
[Randy Fay, Snohomish County Helicopter Crew Chief:] I see myself thinking about Eli when that's going on. So, you want to help and so you kind of carry that.
[Cabrera:] An event that has touched so many here showing both how fleeting and precious life can be.
[Peter Selvig, Retired Forest Service Worker:] I always told my kids, you know, after you after you call them, it's kind of hard for me, but say "I love you" because that might be the last time you're going to see them.
[Cabrera:] The people in this community clearly have so much love for each other, which is helping people to get through this and to at least begin some of the healing process. As soon as daylight arrives, we know there will be 200 emergency responders back out there scouring this one square mile of unspeakable devastation. Continuing to look for any sign of life and also trying to get answers for those families who are missing their loved ones, Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Now we have to talk about the tough stuff. There was a landslide there in 2006. In 1999, scientists did this study saying there was a possible risk of a catastrophic land you know, mudslide, landslide. Was anyone listening?
[Cabrera:] Well, you know, officials say they were aware of the danger to a certain extent. We've been asking a lot of those tough questions to the emergency responders, to state authorities, to federal authorities and the local authorities. And they admit, you know, there are more questions to answer but still want to stay focused on the task at hand and said, we'll get to the bottom of all of that later. Here's what we do know as we've been continuing to research what this area entails. We do know there have been smaller slides dating back to the 1950s, 1951, 1967, 1988 and then the 2006 slide that you mentioned. There has been damage in those slides but no loss of life. And so, people who moved into this area did have, I think, an understanding to a certain degree that landslides were possible but again, was there a specific warning as to what ended up happening that it could happen? We know there was a 1999 study that suggested it was possible, but nothing that happened maybe just before and the days before that we know of that would have given people time to evacuate before the land just ripped away. It certainly sparked a conversation, though, about whether homes should be allowed to be built in these landslide prone zones.

[Berman:] Police in Oxnard, California, have arrested the driver of a truck that was hit by a Metrolink commuter train. The 54-year-old driver has been charged with felony hit-and-run for allegedly abandoning his pickup after getting stuck on the tracks. At least 30 people were injured in this crash. Four remain in critical condition. Let's get the latest from CNN's Kyung Lah.
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] Police say this very well could have all started as a mistake, a driver in the early morning hours, mistaking the railroad tracks as the roadway. He took a wrong turn, and his vehicle got stuck. 54-year-old Jose Ramirez was taken into custody, now being held on felony hit-and-run charges for causing injuries. Why? Police say what distresses them most is that he left the scene. After the collision, as the disaster was unfolding, he left on foot. He was found about 45 minutes later about a mile and a half from this disaster. People were injured. A disaster, again, was being seen and experienced by this community, and the driver left. Authorities say they do not believe that this was a deliberate act, but the end result is the same. John, Christine?
[Romans:] All right, Kyung Lah, thank you for that. Let's look at what's coming up on "NEW DAY". Alisyn Camerota joins us this morning. Hi Alisyn.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor, "new Day":] Hi, guys. Good morning. So we will be covering the breaking news overnight, that guilty verdict in the American sniper murder trial. We'll tell you how long Eddie Ray Routh will be in prison. And we'll also take a look at why the jury did not believe that Routh was legally insane. Plus, we're following the latest act of horror from ISIS, the terrorists abducting about 150 Syrian Christians from a Syrian village, most of them women and children. What will happen next? Meanwhile, we have an update on the whereabouts of those British girls believed to be trying to join ISIS. So we will bring you all of that when Chris, Michaela, and I see you at the top of the hour.
[Romans:] All right, thank you so much, Alisyn.
[Berman:] So you get the sense that Vice President Joe Biden Vice President Joe Biden taking some cues from Christine Romans here. He knows he's got some personal space issues. He knows that people are talking about them. We'll tell you more next.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now: murder charges in the killing of a promising college basketball baseball player. Police say the teenage suspects simply were bored. Plus, who's to blame nor extreme weather? U.N. scientists are more convinced than ever that humans are causing climate change. And critics say the White House is getting something for nothing and the president needs to start paying his interns now. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. Wolf Blitzer is off today. I'm Jake Tapper and you are in THE SITUATION ROOM. It's being called a senseless attack, but that doesn't even really begin to describe a killing so apparently random and deeply disturbing. Three teenagers were in court today in Oklahoma accused of gunning down a 23-year-old Australian student who happened to be jogging by. Police say the teens had nothing better to do and they wanted to see someone die. CNN's Alina Machado is following this story. Tell us about the charges filed today.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Jake, we just got these court documents. They show two of the teens are facing felony murder charges. The third is being accused of being an accessory after the fact. All three, as you mentioned, went before a judge just hours ago in a case that has sent shockwaves across the world.
[Unidentified Male:] You just can't imagine it happening in this neighborhood.
[Machado:] Shock and disbelief in the small Oklahoma town where Chris Lane, an Australian student at East Central University, was gunned down in what police say was a random attack; 15-year-old James Edwards Jr. and 16-year-old Chancey Luna are charged as adults with first-degree felony murder. And 17-year-old Michael Jones is facing two charges, including accessory after the fact to murder in the first degree. Authorities say the teens were on a mission to kill, supposedly just for the thrill of it.
[Danny Ford, Duncan Police Chief:] They witnessed the young man run by on the street, chose him as a target.
[Machado:] Chief Danny Ford says Lane was out jogging Friday afternoon when the teens drove up and shot him in the back.
[Ford:] There was some people that saw him stagger across the road, go to a kneeling positioning, and then collapse on the side of the road.
[Machado:] A woman told police she ran to Lane and tried to help by performing CPR. Another witness dialed 911. Lane was taken to a local hospital where he died. Police say one of the teens told investigators details of the killing and where they could find the murder weapon. Thousands of miles away in Australia, Lane's father shared the family's heart break.
[Peter Lane, Father Of Victim:] He's left his mark, as we know. And, you know, there's not going to be any good come out of this because it was just so senseless. It's happened. It's wrong. And we will just try and deal with it the best we can.
[Machado:] Tens of thousands of people have liked the rest in peace Christopher Lane Facebook page, sending their thoughts and prayers to the 23-year-old's loved ones. Lane's murder has sparked outrage here in the
[U.s. Marie Harf, Spokeswoman, State Department:] The United States is deeply saddened to hear the tragic news of the death of an Australian citizen in Oklahoma.
[Machado:] And, in Australia, former Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer released this statement cautioning Australians about going to America. He says in part: "Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice. I'm deeply angry about this, not just because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, but it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA." Now, Lane was on a baseball scholarship at East Central University. We just got a statement from the head baseball coach there describing Lane as an extremely well-respected teammate who was a shining example of the school's baseball program. He ended the statement by saying quote "I pray that his soul receives the light he deserves" Jake.
[Tapper:] Alina, thank you. We're joined on the phone right now by the Duncan, Oklahoma police chief, Danny Ford. Chief Ford, thanks for being with us. Three teens were charged today in connection with this murder of Australia baseball player Christopher Lane. This murder is thought to be a random act of violence. But what with can you tell us about the motive?
[Ford:] I think pretty well all the information is out on how it occurred. Certainly I will try to answer any questions that you might have, but I think the charging today puts the puts kind of the obviously not a period, but at least a comma in our job here and that we got it to the judiciary system. That's our job. That's what we have tried to do.
[Tapper:] Have you been able to talk to these teens?
[Ford:] Our investigators have talked with all three of them. Two of them obviously are not talking, but there's a third one that has given us the information as you reported there.
[Tapper:] What do you know about their background? Do they have any sort of history of violence?
[Ford:] They have some some of the teens have juvenile backgrounds. Of course, juvenile records on them are part of sealed information, so I'm not real familiar with what the situation was. I know one of them was reporting to a state agency for some of those problems.
[Tapper:] Chief Ford, do you have any idea where the weapons used in the crime came from?
[Ford:] No. We sure wish we did. The one that talked to us gave us the location of where they left it. And it was not out in the open. It wasn't in some place where no one would find it. I think they left it in the apartment complex with other people. So we have been that's probably the biggest disappointment to us is that we have not found that weapon yet. But we're not through.
[Tapper:] Is this kind of violence, this random, nihilistic violence, is it a problem in your community?
[Ford:] No. I think that's what everybody needs to understand. I think in the last five years, we have had three or four murders, but this is nothing like this, nothing that was for apparently no reason or a reason of sheer boredom.
[Tapper:] This murder in your small city with a very small population just under 24,000, it's gained global attention largely because the victim was an Australian baseball player. And those in his home country are outraged. What do you say to Australians about your community? And have you spoken at all to his family?
[Ford:] What we have done with the family basically, we tried to if you get too many people giving information to the family, so what we did, we assigned a couple people that have been giving them information, so that we don't have everybody from the department calling there. And they have spoken with them, in fact, did again last night. Brought them totally up to date with what was going to occur today. So they have been talked to. As far as the community, the community is outraged. The community has some fear. I think they have some of the same questions that maybe folks in Australia have. That's about how did the kids get guns? Pretty Simple. They steal them. The shotgun that we found in the car which was not involved in the incident had the serial number ground off. It was obviously hidden in the vehicle. It was under the spare tire in the spare compartment. That's a pretty good indication that those weapons have been taken illegally.
[Tapper:] One final question before you go, sir. Can you give us any idea about the parenting of these kids? Do they come from two-family homes? Are their parents outraged, shocked, surprised?
[Ford:] I can just go by what I have read in the local media about the parents. I know that one of them has a parent that is incarcerated. I know that the others have one of them has a two-parent home or at least that's what the indication is. But I don't know a whole lot about the family situation.
[Tapper:] All right. Police Chief Danny Ford, thank you for your time. We appreciate it.
[Ford:] You bet. Not a problem.
[Tapper:] Now to Georgia. We have new information about shots that rang out at an elementary school and the suspect who is now in custody. CNN's David Mattingly is at the school in Decatur just outside of Atlanta David.
[David Mattingly, Cnn Correspondent:] Jake, the most remarkable thing about this incident is that no one was hurt. Parents now, hundreds of them, having taken their kids home now thinking about what might have been and thinking about how tragic this could have been. Right now authorities are telling us exactly how this played out. A gunman, a lone gunman carrying an AK-47 was able to get into the school by going through when the door was still open after it had been buzzed open for someone else. He went in that way, went into the office. Held a couple of the office personnel hostage. Then as police arrived, he exchanged gunfire with them firing about a half dozen times at the officers. They returned fire, and then this gunman described only as a 19-year- old man gave just himself up without incident from there. But you can imagine how tense and how scared everyone at that school was. And particularly after the man was taken into custody, then they found his car out in the parking lot and one of the police dogs was able to get a sniff of something that could be explosives. And from that point, the police chief said they had to be even more careful with the children's lives. Listen.
[Cedric Alexander, Dekalb County Police Chief:] Upon further investigation, what we learned that the vehicle that he came in was parked in front of the vehicles and when our canine dogs hit on the vehicle, we suspect it may have been some type of explosives inside of the vehicle.
[Mattingly:] Needless to say, they're being very careful about proceeding with that car. But they are looking at it very slowly, very methodically. No word yet on actually if there were any explosives inside.
[Tapper:] All right, David Mattingly, thank you so much. Coming up next, we will break down a new report on climate change and the role humans play in global warming. And did the governor accuse President Obama hating white people or not? This is a man who has been known to say some outrageous things.

[Barbara Bowman, Alleges She Was Raped By Bill Cosby:] That is a good question. And I think that all victims want to know the same thing, because so many victims are not reporting their crimes. There's such a stigma attached to the victim. It's a fear, it's shame of what had happened. When you're dealing with someone of powerful and prestige
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Which is often the case, we see.
[Bowman:] and celebrity and wealth and fame, it is a whole different scenario. So when you're young and impressionable, and placed in a very highly, highly controlled environment, which I was, and brain-washed terribly to trust and have total 100 percent vulnerability. As a young actress, he was appointed to me to groom me and mentor me through my agent. So when I was 17 in Denver, up and coming and wanting to become an actress and movie star, my agent knew him, and he came out to do just that. So when I came to New York that was all part of it. It was they were subsidizing my housing, and my acting classes. And I was doing acting work with him and I was often in private environments.
[Pereira:] You're 17 years old. You're wide-eyed, you're eager and you have somebody taking an interest in you.
[Bowman:] That's right. That's right. And because of the circumstances, like I said, it was very controlled. He zeroed right in on my vulnerabilities, which was, had no father figure. So there was no man to come knocking on his door. To find out what's going down. And when these things started happening, I wasn't silent. I told my agent what was going down.
[Pereira:] What was the reaction?
[Bowman:] She did nothing. I believe she's as culpable as he is because in my inside, I believe she did know what was going on. So her doing nothing was a protective measure on her part.
[Pereira:] Did you tell other people?
[Bowman:] I didn't tell her, I told her, but I didn't really talk about it much because nobody was believing it and it was just, I was in a situation, I was in new york, my job was to work hard, go to classes, don't ask questions. Just be grateful for this amazing opportunity. Don't mess it up. So when things would come up and he would start making me uncomfortable and I knew something was going on. I would start asking questions and he'd say, you know what, you don't trust me. You got to trust me. And by the way, you were drunk. And I didn't drink. And I certainly wasn't doing anything but exactly what I was supposed to do. In 1989, I did go to a lawyer. A friend talked me into doing that, eventually. He laughed me right out of the office. It was terrible. It was humiliating. It was scary.
[Pereira:] Saying what, that there was no way to prove it because this is issue.
[Bowman:] He was Dr. Huxtable, it wouldn't happen.
[Pereira:] So we have a couple of things at play here. We have America's favorite dad and a lot of people will say this does not square up with Mr. Cosby that we know from
[Tv. Bowman:] That's exactly right. So what happened was I just gave up. Because it was very clear to me, he said it right to my face, point- blank, I better never, ever see your face or hear your name again. So after going to my agent and going to the lawyer, and getting smacked down both times, I just said, let me just get on with my life. Move on with my life and let it go. And in 2004, finally when one woman did have the courage to come forward and file a lawsuit, I said I will not sit in silence any more. I believe this woman. They were dragging her through the mud, calling her a liar. And I said, I believe her because it happened to me. And if I do nothing but get out there and support her, and let people know that she's not lying, that is going to be my mission from here forward. I had nothing to gain by staying out in the public eye, giving my name, giving my identity to talk about this.
[Pereira:] Because then people came after you.
[Bowman:] And my, yes, my statute of limitations had long run out.
[Pereira:] You wanted to help someone else.
[Bowman:] I wanted to help her and I made it my mission to get out here and help other victims, that's what this is all about.
[Pereira:] So that's why people are going to say why now. But we should sort of follow the bouncing ball. This comes up now and again, over time. We'll hear women's stories coming up and then it goes away and then another story will come up. It came up again recently because this comedian lambasted Bill Cosby, Hannibal Burris calling him all sorts of names, accusing him of accusations of things we've heard about before. Did it make you feel like finally somebody is listening when you see a little bit more attention being paid or does it frustrate you?
[Bowman:] No, I was quite surprised and glad that a celebrity stepped up because this is not a secret in Hollywood. Obviously people in Hollywood, they're listening to the news, too. They know what's going on.
[Pereira:] So then why doesn't it get prosecuted then? Why if they're this, if this is happening repeatedly, why is there no action? I think so many of us are struggling to understand that.
[Bowman:] Yes, and that's a great question and I get asked that all the time. I think that one of the issues is that in 2005, when this case was going to court, and we were testifying, she settled out of court. So that meant that all 13 women were not going to testify. So that just shut it down. It's a subject that people don't want to talk about. The mainstream media does not want to deal with it. It's just now becoming important enough for worldwide attention and because of the situation with the fame and the celebrities and the power and the media, the media doesn't want to make enemies. And the media has to really kind of follow some jurisdiction and he does a lot of really great damage control. He was surrounded by
[Pereira:] He's got people around him that's for sure.
[Bowman:] He was surrounded by a thick team confederates, lawyers and attorneys and people to protect him.
[Pereira:] Barbara, what do you want to have happen?
[Bowman:] I'm working with an organization called PAVE. I was appointed ambassador to be doing some public speaking on behalf of other victims around the world. PAVE stands for Promoting Awareness Through Victim Empowerment. I am so grateful to be a part of this organization because that gives me a platform to do a couple of things. One thing is I'd like to have a call for legislation against the statute of limitations. There's no reason that sexual crimes should be gotten away with because there is an appointed period of time that a woman has to come forward. It takes some women their entire lifetime to come forward. It is a very difficult, very strenuous, very soul-crushing situation to be in. And when people don't believe you at the beginning, it really falls on the shoulders of those first couple of people that you talk to.
[Pereira:] And for that reason, I'm so glad that you are speaking out, Barbara.
[Bowman:] Thank you, I will continue.
[Pereira:] And on behalf of other people who have found themselves in this situation for giving them a voice, thank you for that. Thank you very much for sitting with us today.
[Bowman:] Thank you. I'm going to keep on talking as long as people are listening.
[Pereira:] Please do Chris.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] All right, thanks, Mich. Betting on sports you know what? It should be legal. Who would say that? How about an NBA commissioner, Adam Silver? He has reasons. He wrote an op-ed, it may surprise you. Good debate to have. We'll have it here.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] And an unforgettable first dance, a groom finds a way to overcome his paralysis, surprising his bride with their first wedding dance, Joey and Michelle Johnson will join us live to talk about that moment.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn:] Hello everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. It's Tuesday, November 26th. Welcome to "LEGAL VIEW." The bags are packed, the cars are stuffed, the tickets are booked for more than had 43 million of us all planning to travel for Thanksgiving. And there's a mighty storm that's threatened to call the whole thing off. This is what travelers are having to deal with right now. Snow is piling up in Cincinnati, Ohio. And it looks like a virtual white out in Pittsburgh. That's one of those tower-cams that's really not worth its cost on a day like this There are other areas getting pounded with rain and ice, and that makes nothing safe. We've got our holiday travel team on every angle, planes, trains, and automobiles, effectively. We're covering the airports. Martin Savidge is at Hartsfield-Jackson International. Also covering the roads, Alina Machado is live in Atlanta. And tracking where this storm goes next, meteorologist Chad Myers is putting in all of the overtime in the Weather Center on this holiday week. All right, Martin, I want to start with you. There are so many people watching right now, crossing their fingers that theirs will be one of those flights that gets out. And does it just depend on where you're starting, or is it the domino effect that's going to hit everybody?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] I think it depends on where you're starting and, most especially, when you are starting. For instance, If you're starting out of Atlanta or passing through Atlanta today, then the news is pretty good. In fact, we can show you that news. Take a look at the arrival and departure board here, which is this big, blue screen. And for the most part the flights are on time. I will point out, Ashleigh, that we've been starting to see a little bit of delay creep in, not huge, but you are seeing that at least on several dozen flights maybe delays of 20 minutes, maybe up to 30 minutes. The international flights are being delayed longer. It's primarily a rain event that they're suffering down here, not the ice, and don't even say the word "snow" that some had feared. I talked to the general manager of the airport just a short while ago, and this is his take on things now.
[Louis Miller, General Manager, Hartsfield-jackson Atlanta International Airport:] Actually things are looking very good for us. We're seeing that the traffic is you know, we did our weekly analysis of the passengers we expect to come this week, starting Monday going through next Monday. It's 1.8 million, and it's an increase of about 3 percent over what we had last year. Tomorrow morning is looking like there could be more rain, but the temperatures are supposed to be staying higher. So it's our understanding that it could drop earlier in the evening, but in the morning it's going to be a little bit higher. So we have our team on standby.
[Savidge:] We should point out that there are some problem airports. In fact, we've put together a little map that can highlight a few of them at the moment. They include Atlanta, Dulles, Charlotte, Reagan and Baltimore. The best advice and news that you can use is, of course, many people now have apps and ways to check into the airlines. Do that before you fly. Give yourself 90 minutes, because it's not just the flights. Think about parking, think about traffic, think about other ways that weather impacts getting to and through the airport, not to mention the security lines. And if I wrap it up now, Ashleigh, I can still make the 11:30 to Cancun.
[Banfield:] Well, guess what. I've got a question for you, so you're going to have to catch the next one. That map you put up, Marty, it was great, except it's today's map, and of course, so many people are going to travel tomorrow. And that whole map, my guess is going to sort of move northward up the corridor. Can people can they reschedule to try to get out today and not have to pay those awful fees just because everything is going to be just such a disaster tomorrow?
[Savidge:] Right. Well, a number of the airlines, at least the major ones, we've heard of Delta and US Air, have said that if you go online and want to try and reschedule, they're going to waive the fees on doing that. And that may be a way to go. But I will point out, you know, due to the high volume of traffic, you would think that just about every seat that could be booked has already been booked. So if you're trying to get out on a different flight at a different time, I wish you the best of the luck on that. Be sure to pack your patience and a smile as your best defense. So far, people seem to be bearing up as best they can, Ashleigh.
[Banfield:] Well, I'll deliver this with a smile, Martin. You're finished with me, now, sir, but as for Cancun, I think the next couple of shows have you booked, so I don't think you're going anywhere right away, anyway. Nice sweater. Thank you, Martin Savidge. I want to go out to the roads now. We said planes, trains, automobiles. So the roads, oh, dang, AAA is expecting 39 million drivers out there on those roads, and a lot of them are going to be awful. Alina Machado is live in Atlanta. Take a look at her picture. Oh, Alina, you're the new kid. You got that assignment. I'm so sorry. Oh, lousy weather. Hey, the roads are going to be trouble if it's rain, if it's sleet, if it's snow, for so many parts of the country. Give me the rundown for anybody who's planning to hit the road in the next 24 hours.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Ashleigh, it's really going to depend on where you are, right? If you're in the South, if you're here in Atlanta, for example, if you're driving through, you're probably going to be dealing with this, just a steady rain, wet, slick roads. But if you go further north, you're going to be dealing with probably a wintry mix, possibly icy roads, snowy roads. The AAA says more than 43 million people are going to be traveling for this Thanksgiving holiday, and most of those, about 90 percent, are going to be getting in their cars and driving somewhere. So you can expect a lot of traffic, a lot of volume. And that, of course, is not a good thing when you factor in this weather. A couple of areas that you might want to keep an eye out for. If you're going to be traveling on 40 between Knoxville and the North Carolina mountains, be careful. Especially in some of the higher elevations, you could be encountering some wintry mix and some slicker roads. Also, if you're heading south of Washington, D.C., on 95, later this afternoon, when that heavy rain is expected to move in, that could cause some problems. So the bottom line is, if you're going to be driving, be aware of when where you're going, especially maybe even consider changing when you leave. If you're going to leave today and the storm is hitting in that area where you're headed, consider leaving tomorrow. It's really going to be a wait-and-see approach, Ashleigh, for many people many of the people who are going to be traveling out for Thanksgiving.
[Banfield:] But, you know, really, do your research before you head out on the road. And my apologies for that assignment. Next year, you will be on that flight to Cancun. Alina, thank you and happy Thanksgiving to you, my friend. All right, I said planes, trains and automobiles. Let's talk train now, because Amtrak is planning to shuttle 140,000 passengers just in the northeast corridor. Across some of the routes, you see right there in red. And Amtrak is saying, are you ready, drum roll, not expecting to have any issues, so that might be the best mode of transportation. And even if you're not traveling, you may very well have relatives who are traveling to you or traveling somewhere that you may be worried about. So let's get the forecast. Chad Myers, I said, has been working overtime. That is an understatement. Hey, AAA said, Chad, that 43.4 million of us Americans are going to be traveling 50 miles or more in the next couple of days, so you, my friend, are a very important person right now. What's it looking like?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] And considering my house and the station are about 12 miles apart and I'll be traveling all of those day, I am not one of those traveling 50 miles. That's the good news. Something, you know something I haven't heard anybody talk about, and you and I spend so much time in airports. If you're a pair of ballet flats away from carry-on or checked bag, carry on, because it's so much easier to change your plane if you're holding your bag than to try to find the bag after it's under the plane. If your plane is canceled, if your plane is delayed, and they send you even to a different airline, you have all of your stuff. You can go. If all the stuff is under the plane or on the train somewhere, it's not going to come to you where you want it to be. Try to pack and if you've got a pair of UGGs and the UGGs aren't going to fit in your carry on, wear them, and then carry on. Don't try to put things under the plane if you don't have to. Pittsburgh, it's been snowing there all day, up to 32, but there's still an awful lot of mess for you there right now. Temperatures are going up here, and this is going to be the case. Above here is snow, right? Pittsburgh. Yeah. I know; it's snow and fog. It's been snowing a lot. The mountains around Pittsburgh are a nightmare. If you've never been there, the easiest way to go up is to go take the Duquesne Incline. You know, I mean, the up-and-down mountains of Pittsburgh in a snow event, my parents grew up in Wilkes-BarreScranton, and they used to say that the salt trucks sand, salt, ash would have to back up the hills so that the back tires could get traction because the salt would be coming out the back of the trucks and trucks would be backing up the hills because they would need the traction just to get up those hills.
[Banfield:] Oh, wow.
[Myers:] Here's the snow line tomorrow. Here's the snow line on Thursday. Here's the snow line on Friday. And Pittsburgh, you're always going to be in it. That's the issue for the next couple of days. You know, it's not going a big event for I-75, I-95 down here in the South. It's just a rain event for you. Tornado watch for parts of Florida, believe it or not, like we need that. But all this pink through here, that's where the icing is. A little bit farther to the north, that's where the snow is. Ashleigh?
[Banfield:] You have just coined a brand-new classification, it is a "salt-truck- going-backyards" day. Chad Myers, I'm going to check in with you in a little bit. I know the models keep changing, so if you could stick around maybe 20 minutes or so? Excellent. Thank you very much. CNN, by the way, has made this very crucial decision to laser focus in on Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Airport, the international airport there. And if you have ever wanted to be in the belly of the beast, this is one fascinating inside look, you guys. On October 28th, more than three dozen journalists descended upon this airport and documented their journey after months and months of research. You can check this whole thing out at CNN.comATL24. CNN.comATL24, and I'll tell you, the sausage-making inside that airport is absolutely fascinating, and you barely ever see any of it. Ever been to a hockey game? If you're a hockey fan, and I am one, you expect some big hits. In fact, the place goes wild. But those big hits can be mighty harmful, and now, some former NHL players have changed their tune and they suing the league for not doing enough to prevent brain damage and concussions. Have we heard this one before? You bet. Going to get the LEGAL VIEW, next.

[Whitfield:] Pope Francis has been calling on Catholics around the world to pray for Syria. He's been holding vigil in Vatican City telling the faithful that the search for peace is long and requires patience. The pontiff also asked for Catholics to fast in solidarity for Syrians who are suffering. CNN Vatican analyst, John Allen, is in Denver right now. So John, Pope Francis has also been very vocal against any kind of military action, U.S. or otherwise, in Syria, even writing to the Russian President, Vladimir Putin. Has the pope, to your knowledge, received any kind of acknowledgement from Putin?
[John Allen, Cnn Vatican Analyst:] Well, I don't think there's been any direct acknowledgement from Putin. But I do think he's succeeded in making the point to the world that the Vatican and Catholic Church have kind of launched an all out, full court diplomatic press to stop this idea of a western intervention in Syria. In addition to the letter to Putin and of course, last evening's prayer vigil in St. Peters Square, which sure about 100,000 people making it the largest anti-war gathering in the west since this idea began. The Vatican also called in all the ambassadors credited to the Vatican. It's about 180 countries including all the western powers trying to lay out the case against going to war in Syria. Fredricka, I think what's underneath this is the Vatican has both a humanitarian and the pastoral concern. At the humanitarian level, they're concerned that this could lead to a wider regional conflict and also stroke Islamic extremism. They're, of course, worried about the Christian minority in Syria. That's about 10 percent of the population of 22 million. The Vatican believes and this is being amplified by what the Christians themselves are saying that they could become the first victims of regime change. So for all those reasons, I think the indications of the Vatican are Pope Francis and his team are going to try to continue this diplomatic press to stop the west from going to war.
[Whitfield:] Interesting, so clearly the pope very influential among Catholics. But then one has to wonder, I understand many Catholic leaders are taking from his lead and actually sending petitions to members of Congress. How influential or how much of a difference is that expected to make?
[Allen:] Yes. The leaders of the U.S. Bishops Conference have written both to President Obama and to every member of Congress to try to sort of amplify the pope's message. Look, let's roll the clock back 10 years ago, John Paul II, who of course, we all expect will be named a saint sometime early next year launched an all out diplomatic campaign to stop the U.S. from going to Iraq. Was that effective? Well, at one level, it's easy to say no because of course, he didn't stop the war. On the other hand, it did significantly improve his standing in the Islamic world and created lines of communication that are still open today and some would say the pope's leadership helped create a wider clash of civilizations between the west and Islamic world. So it is entirely possible that what Pope Francis is doing today may not stop the Obama administration, but it may position him as a credible interlockular for the west and the Islamic world in a way that could be very helpful down the line Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] All right, John Allen, thanks so much. Always good to see you. U.S. Senator John McCain is endorsing President Obama's plan to strike against Syria, but says things could go horribly wrong for the commander in chief. Up next, why McCain is bringing up impeachment?

[A.j. Hammer:] Tonight on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," it`s today`s top three shockers. Simon Cowell`s new baby drama. "X" marks the spot on Simon`s lips as the fallout builds over him allegedly getting his friend`s wife pregnant. And did Simon Cowell break the ultimate Guy Code by getting caught up in this love triangle? Well, two of the stars of MTV 2`s "Guy Code" judge the "X Factor" judge tonight.
[Alex Trebek, Host, "jeopardy":] He had 9,600 and he wrote down what is the emancipation well, because he misspelled it badly. Emanciptation. You put a "T" in there, proclamation. That`s unfortunate. The judges are ruling against you.
[Hammer:] Sorry, sorry, "Jeopardy" outrage. Tonight, a kid stumbles over the spelling in final Jeopardy, but now the game show is getting slammed for the kid`s loss. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now. Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer, thank you for watching tonight, we are counting down the day`s top shockers, and we`ve got three stunning stories from Hollywood and beyond. Let`s kick things off with No. 3 tonight. Simon`s sex factor. Big news that the "X Factor" judge, Simon Cowell, is going to be a daddy for the first time. Certainly shocked a lot of people. But it`s the soap opera drama that is coming out now that has a lot of people talking.
[Carlos Greer, "people Magazine":] He got his friend`s wife pregnant.
[Hammer:] "People" magazine`s Carlos Greer said tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT the mother of Simon`s unborn baby is married to real-estate mogul Andrew Silverman, a friend of Simon`s. The couple has a 7-year-old son.
[Greer:] Simon is friends with them Andrew Silverman and Lauren Silverman. They`ve been photographed together. They`ve vacationed together.
[Hammer:] Is Simon a home wrecker? It depends on who you ask.
[Greer:] We talked to sources who know Lauren, and they said that Lauren was unhappy in her marriage.
[Hammer:] And Lauren`s estranged husband is telling a different story. In his divorce papers, he reportedly names Simon.
[Greer:] Andrew reportedly cited Simon as one of the reasons why he filed for divorce. This is a nasty situation.
[Hammer:] As for Simon, he`s being uncharacteristically silent about this whole mess.
[Greer:] Simon is remaining relatively mum. We caught up with him on the carpet last week, and he deflected the question and basically said that he`s trying to protect people`s feelings.
[Hammer:] But with headline after headline calling Simon a home wrecker it looks like for once the judge is being judged. OK, so apparently whether or not Simon Cowell is a home wrecker is in dispute, but there is another question that is swirling madly around this affair scandal. Did Simon Cowell violate the Guy Code by getting a former friend`s wife pregnant? Of course, "The Guy Code" is that unofficial rule book that governs the behavior of men all over the world. So to judge Simon`s alleged Guy Code violation, I`ve got to bring the experts tonight, the stars of "Guy Code," the hilarious show that airs on MTV2. Chris DiStefano and Damien Lemon with me in New York. Guys, great having you here. I want to get right to this, because the reports are that Simon actually used to vacation with his, well, now new girlfriend and her husband. And while they weren`t the best of friends, they were still friends. Damien, let me throw it to you first. On a scale of 0 to 10, 0 being nothing and 10 the worst possible violation, how bad is Simon`s Guy Code violation here?
[Damien Lemon, Actor:] I`m giving Simon a good 11.7. It`s ridiculous.
[Hammer:] Yes, Chris, go ahead, back it up. Give me some reasons why why it`s an ultimate violation.
[Chris Distefano, Actor:] First, real quick, I just want to say, A.J. Hammer is the most Guy Code name I`ve ever heard.
[Hammer:] Absolutely.
[Distefano:] Congratulations on that.
[Hammer:] Thank you very much. Well, there you go. That`s big praise. I appreciate it.
[Distefano:] And I totally back up Damien. I mean, Simon totally broke Guy Code. You never, ever date your friend`s girl, ever. Once you see that woman, she is not a woman to you. There`s no sexual attraction.
[Hammer:] That`s your sister.
[Distefano:] That`s your sister. Exactly. And she should be gone. The good news is Simon Cowell can breastfeed that baby with his man boobs.
[Hammer:] Well, there you go. So I guess there`s an upside to this whole.
[Lemon:] Absolutely.
[Hammer:] We need another perspective here, as well. I have sports blogger Jackie Pepper from JackieonSports.com. The great Jackie with us tonight. All right, Jackie. So getting the friend`s wife pregnant. Where is that ever excusable? Is it just the massive ego of Simon Cowell that allows you to break the Guy Code so easily?
[Jackie Pepper, Sports Blogger:] Well, Simon loves women. So I don`t know that he follows any rules in that department. He you know, he goes out with women he works with. He kind of is all over the map. So you know what? A, she`s hot. B, you know, friendship doesn`t last forever. The baby will last forever, and I`m hoping that he will soften up as a result of becoming a dad. Because he seems like a pretty massive jerk.
[Hammer:] Yes. And the truth is, he`s actually not as big of a jerk as people make him out to be.
[Pepper:] Really?
[Hammer:] Or as he makes himself out to be. But then he goes and he pulls a stunt like this and now everybody is questioning what the reality is. Now, Damien, you put him at, I think you said, 11.5 out of 10. So he was way off the charts with the Guy Code violation. There are the reports that say that the Silvermans` marriage was already on the rocks when Lauren started up with Simon. So in the Guy Code rule book...
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Hammer:] ... does that change anything? Does that even matter?
[Lemon:] Well, for the record, A.J., I said 11.7.
[Hammer:] Sorry.
[Lemon:] Just so we get that all the way there. Point 7. No, doesn`t change anything. Even if your home boy and his lady are going through a bad situation, that is not your concern. You don`t jump in at all. Not at all. Unequivocally, he is in clear violation.
[Distefano:] Off limits forever. She is off limits for eternity.
[Lemon:] Um-hmm.
[Hammer:] And Chris, what do you think the punishment should be? He is stripped of all of his black T-shirts forever? We don`t want to see him without his T-shirt on.
[Distefano:] His punishment should be to get a man breast reduction.
[Lemon:] Oh, man.
[Hammer:] OK. Back to that.
[Distefano:] I mean, that`s what I feel like when I first heard the story. I was like, if I was this other guy, all I would do is go in on Cowell`s man boobs. That`s all I would do.
[Hammer:] Got it.
[Lemon:] He`s too Simon doesn`t Simon has always been a heel. If he was a wrestler, he`d always be the bad guy. First of all, he had no shirt on, but he had on his shades. So that shows his priorities.
[Hammer:] There you go. He`s covering up something just the wrong thing. All right.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Hammer:] OK. Simon, take some advice from these guys. They know what they`re talking about. Let`s get to No. 2, guys. It`s our "SHOWBIZ Countdown" our "SHOWBIZ Shockers" tonight. The question is, will A-Rod be around much longer in baseball? Of course, we now know New York Yankee Alex Rodriguez, the highest paid baseball player ever, has been suspended for the rest of this season and all of next season if it`s upheld. Chances are, the suspension would effectively end his career. Major League Baseball is going after A-Rod for his alleged role in the performance-enhancing drug scandal, but he can still play, pending his appeal. Now, A-Rod not the most loved guy in baseball or New York. I want to play for you a scene from the movie "The Other Guys." This is where a New York City cop, played by Mark Wahlberg, gets grief for accidentally shooting a more beloved player at Yankee Stadium.
[Mark Wahlberg, Actor:] I saw a shadowy figure in the tunnel. I told him to stop. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It`s a restricted area. I finally pulled my gun. Pulled out my weapon and started running. Don`t make me do it. I`ll do it. Are you deaf? Didn`t you hear me yell "freeze"?
[Derek Jeter, Major League Baseball Player:] I`m Derek Jeter. You shot me.
[Unidentified Male:] You cost me 20 grand on that game, because you shot Derek Jeter! He`s a biracial angel. You should have shot A-Rod.
[Hammer:] Should have shot A-rod. Well, there you go. No love for A-Rod then. Very little now. Sports blogger Jackie Pepper, you are our resident sports expert on retainer tonight. Is there anyone out there who is taking A-Rod`s side on this, other than A-Rod?
[Pepper:] Believe it or not, yes, his teammates are taking his side. Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitt. Andy Pettitt also admitted to cheating not too long ago. They`ve taken his side. They say they love him. He`s their teammate, and they will support him. But look at the rest of the league. Do you know how much money A-Rod gets paid per game? Almost $170,000. You can buy a Ferrari for that money. Guys around the league, your journeyman ballplayer and even your A-listers, if they`re clean, they are pissed at this guy, and they want him out of the game completely.
[Hammer:] Very quickly, Damien and Chris, how would you judge A-Rod`s handling of all this?
[Distefano:] I mean, I am a die-hard Yankee fan. A-Rod is out. He`s been out to me for a long time now. It`s all about Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter would never do something like this.
[Lemon:] Don`t say that.
[Distefano:] No.
[Lemon:] You never know. You never know.
[Distefano:] Listen.
[Hammer:] Yes, I`ve got to I`ve got to end it there, guys. But clearly, there is disgust among New Yorkers and people of earth in general. All right. Thank you. We have the big reveal coming up, today`s top "SHOWBIZ Shockers." Damien, Chris, Jackie, I appreciate you all being here tonight.
[Lemon:] Thank you.
[Hammer:] Also ahead, we have one of the world`s most photographed women who`s finally finally resurfacing into her self-imposed lockdown.
[Kim Kardashian, Reality Tv Star:] Mom, I just want to say, congratulations on your new show. I`m sorry I couldn`t be there in person. I`m just loving life a little bit too much home right now.
[Hammer:] There`s Kim, making her first post-baby debut. But no magazine cover shot; no red carpet. What is the real deal with her comeback? Also ahead, Anthony Wiener`s sexting pal may have a new career in porn. I think I might be a little bit sick about this, but is there anything wrong with Sydney Leathers making the most of her assets? Extending her 15 minutes of fame, don`t you know? The is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Guns in America. Billions of dollars generated millions of gun enthusiasts and thousands killed each year. I'm Christine Romans. This is "YOUR MONEY." It's been almost one year since 26 children and educators were shot and killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and the debate over gun sales and gun reform rages on. Big business has become involved. Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz asks customers to leave their guns at home when grabbing a latte.
[Howard Schultz, Ceo, Starbucks:] We are respectfully requesting that those customers who are carrying a gun just honor the request and not bring the gun into Starbucks.
[Romans:] Then there's Wal-Mart. The world's largest retailer and lightning rod would likely prefer to sit out this controversy, but it can't. The company hasn't released specific gun sales data, but it was widely reported some Wal-Mart stores sold out of the AR-15 rifle in the days following the Newtown massacre. That's the very type of firearm involved in the shooting. I asked Bill Simon, the Wal-Mart's U.S. CEO, if he has second thoughts about selling these types of firearms in the very same stores that would ban a cd for controversial lyrics?
[Bill Simon, President And Ceo, Wal-mart, U.s:] We are very responsible in our sales of firearms. It's something that we're focused on. The debate in the country about whether they should be legal or not legal is not one we get to participate in on a day to day basis. That's an issue that Congress has to deal with. But I would tell if they're sold in the U.S., we want them sold through formal channels rather than through gun shows.
[Romans:] No matter how a gun is purchased or obtained, the gun debate has changed since last December. Here's what chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour told me a year ago.
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] This was a red line by anybody's account. These were babies. This was a biblical slaughter of the innocents.
[Romans:] But talk of reform, big talk of reform, was sidelined for more pressing problems in Washington. I sat down with Christiane Amanpour and chief political correspondent Candy Crowley and I asked them why.
[Amanpour:] It's tragic. And the president made a lot of very good speeches and made a lot of efforts, but it didn't go far enough. And, look, all you have to do is look at the politicians who are worried, scared, what is the right word, about the NRA. On my program we interviewed a lawmaker from Tennessee who recounted chapter and verse about how she was in good standing with the NRA, but nonetheless because she wanted a minimal sensible change, she was literally run out of office. And that is what the politicians are afraid of. It's very, very frightening because overseas, Australia, Britain, after big massacres they made very tough political conditions to rein in gun control and they haven't had those same massacres.
[Romans:] Is this an example of a domestic agenda by this president that has been sidelined, that he has not been able to achieve? In the state of the union, for example, he talked about early childhood education. He talked about immigration reform. He talked last year about gun control, or gun reform. He hasn't been able to do any of those things.
[Candy Crowley, Cnn Chief Political Correspondent:] He hasn't. In part it's been the economy, and he would say today, my biggest focus has to be on creating jobs. And then came health care, and that's been an ongoing problem for them. And besides, you know, those saying we can walk and chew gum at the same time, but they have gone to the state level for gun control. That this is you know, that's where the big fight is now is what states do, because at a national level it becomes very difficult. It also the Virginia win for the democrat, for Terry McAuliffe is being seen as a defeat for the NRA. I think that's, you know, people, view it through their own Rorschach tests. So, you know, yes, Cuccinelli, who lost, the Republican, was backed by the NRA. But this is not as simple, and this is what and, by the way, what kind of end to the gun control push, certainly in the Senate, had would have ended in the House, anyway there was a lot of Democrats who come from gun culture states. They say, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. And the problem is there has to be some sort of two- track thing, because everyone will come back to you and say, look at the last you know, five gun gun incidents that have been big, all mentally deranged people, all people with huge mental problems. The country's not doing a good enough job on mental health.
[Romans:] Despite some high-profile school shootings, school has become a safer place over the past two decades. That's according to new numbers from the U.S. departments of justice and education. I want you to take a look at this. During the 1992-93 school year, there were 57 violent deaths occurred at school or when traveling to or attending a school sponsored event. You see the trend there. During the 2010-1011 number that number was 31. It's important to note numbers are not in for 2012 and 2013. Of course, that school year when 26 deaths occurred at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Overall, youth homicide at school accounts for less than two percent of all youth homicides. That, of course, doesn't do much for the fear factor among many parents and students. Our Zain Asher visiting a school that has taken the fear of school shootings and channeled it into innovation. Hi there, Zain.
[Zain Asher, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi. So it's pretty interesting. You have a group of high school students at a high school in Washington, D.C. invented what they call a mocking device, a device they hope will protect them in an intruder or a school shooter tries to break into their classroom. It's pretty simple stuff. It's made of a PVC pipe and a steel pin, something you can pick up at a local hardware store. I think what's really sad about this is that you have a situation whereby 15 and 16-year-olds are trying to protect themselves from arm the gunmen. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Male:] This is dead stop.
[Asher:] It costs just $5 to make, weighs less than a pound, but students here at high school in Washington, D.C. hope that this simple invention could protect more students during school shootings than metal detectors and bag checks.
[John Mahoney, Math Teacher:] With active shooters being unfortunately so prevalent we need to come up with other ways to secure buildings.
[Asher:] Students and teachers here have been oh shaken by recent shootings
[Mahoney:] For me, the key shooting was in Columbine High School in Colorado where it was actually a mathematics teacher who was killed and I teach mathematics here.
[Asher:] They've invented a locking device for classroom doors.
[Deonte Antrum, Student:] It can happen in Connecticut it can also happen here in
[D.c. Asher:] Made up of a PVC pipe and a steel pin, the device can be fitted over a hydraulic door closer if ever there's an intruder in the hallway, keeping the classroom firmly locked and preventing a gunman from gaining entry.
[Anita Berger, Principal:] In lieu of trying to get all of the school doors with dead bolt locks on it, I think this is a quick, practical way of doing it.
[Asher:] Like in many schools across the country, schools cannot be locked from the inside for fire hazard reasons. At Sandy Hook elementary school last December, one teacher had to lock her students in a bathroom to protect them from 20-year-old gunman Adam Lanza.
[Anjreyev Harvey, Student:] The recent shooting at another school where the shooter broke into the building and shot a lot of kids, it inspired us, because the doors aren't that secure.
[Asher:] Students here were recently awarded a $6,600 grant from MIT to develop a final version of their device.
[Mahoney:] We're not ready for an IPO yet, but we anticipate having a really good prototype by the spring.
[Asher:] And with this crude safety mechanism, they say they now have an extra barrier in place, if they ever hear gunshots from the hallway. And I did get a little good news from that professor you just so, John Mahoney. He said to me a lawyer in Denver randomly heard about the device and offered to patent it for free. He has no idea how he heard about it. But he says they're not interested in making money off this. It's just something they wanted to share.
[Romans:] It's only $5 and a PVC and a clip. Sad that we have to look at these innovations, but interesting we have to make them. Zain Asher, thank you. All right, the Fed has been pumping $85 billion a month into the economy, keeping stocks and housing hot, right? What happens when it eases up and is not going in anymore? Can the economy hold up on its own?

[Cooper:] Welcome back. There is breaking news on Syria. Sources telling us that U.N. secretary general Ban Ki-moon is expected Monday to present the weapons inspectors' report to Security Council. Also word late today that days of high level talks over how to dismantle Syria's warfare capability have gone into overtime and could be bearing come fruits. Secretary of state Kerry and his Russian counterpart will be spending at least another day at a negotiating table in Geneva. Jim Sciutto is in Geneva following a late development and he joins us now. So, what are we hearing about these talks? There is some word about possible progress?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, Anderson, you talk about over time until a few minutes ago, they were meeting and it's past 2:00 in the morning here in Geneva. In fact, I saw Secretary Kerry walking back in to the building about 20 minutes ago out taking a walk to get fresh air because they have been talking so much. And that's a good sign as a U.S. official here told me they wouldn't be meeting if they didn't have something to talk about. We did hear earlier today that they have their first sign of hard progress which is the U.S. and Russia coming to an agreement on the scale, the scope of Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles. That sounds modest, but is important because U.S. officials have been telling me that is the first test of how the Syrians and Russians are about moving forward in that how forthcoming they are about giving all the details about how many chemical weapons they have and what quantities and where they are all hidden.
[Cooper:] And obviously, one of the things that's been discussed is whether or not the U.S. would continue to insist on a threat of force in a Security Council resolution. Do we know details on that?
[Sciutto:] Well, we are hearing out of Washington that the U.S. may be backing off or at least realizing that they won't be able to get a resolution through the Security Council because of Russia's veto, they would include a trigger for the use of force. That's important here because that's the main sticking point between Kerry and Lavrov, this over hanging threat of force. Kerry saying that the Syrians wouldn't even be here talking about this, the Russians if the U.S. hadn't threatened force. The Russians saying we can't move forward until the U.S. takes it off the table. So, you know, it's important here in those talks. That is going into this, no one really thought you would get a Security Council resolution that had an absolute forced trigger. And even if the resolution doesn't have that trigger, the U.S. can still reserve its right to act to use military force if it says that it's necessary and that's the direction we are being pushed by U.S. officials now.
[Cooper:] So, I mean, are they talking again tomorrow? What is next for Kerry in all this?
[Sciutto:] It goes into tomorrow, another day and then that's like I said, a good sign because they said they wouldn't be talking if they didn't have something to talk about and weren't making progress. From here, Kerry is going to Jerusalem. He is going to meet with Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, both to talk Mideast peace but also to give an update on these talks. Then Kerry, ever the world traveler is going to go on to Paris and meet with the French and the British foreign ministers to give them an update on these talks and build some support. He is clearly going around updating, but also making sure that everybody is on board with what they hope will be at least the outlines of an agreement.
[Cooper:] Jim Sciutto, appreciate the update and late-night reporting. Thank you. I want to bring in the former defense secretary William Cohen now who is well acquainted with the reigning in WMD and with Sergey Lavrov's skill as a negotiator. Secretary Cohen, thanks for being with us. You dealt with Mr. Lavrov in the past. You called him a very skilled tough negotiator. These discussions now going to a third day tomorrow, can you give insight how this happens? What is going on behind closed doors? How does it actually work?
[William Cohen, Former Defense Secretary:] Well, Secretary Kerry is not dealing with a strong hand, frankly. And I think the Russians are prepared to explode that. He is Secretary Kerry is insisting that we reserve the right to use military force against the Syrian forces, and Mr. Lavrov is going to say that has got a precondition has to go. So, it look as if we are going to yield on that particular point if there is a hope for getting a U.N. Security Council resolution. The French and the British and the U.S. have insisted on having some kind of a trigger namely if they don't compile with the dismantling of their weapons that we can take military action. But I think that's unlikely. I'm hopeful that something goodwill come out of this. But frankly, unless you have an overall peace settlement, the notion you are going to have in dismantling of chemical weapons during a civil war, I think, is unrealistic. So, it looks as if this is a long struggle to gain control of them, identify them while they are moving him around et cetera. So, I don't know that the United States has a very strong hand at this point. I hope that secretary Kerry can play it for what it is.
[Cooper:] So, you don't believe that it's really possible for Syria to give up their chemical weapons for international inspectors to be on the ground, to secure sites and ultimately destroy these weapons in the midst of a civil war? I know,
[Cohen:] I think it's very unlikely, highly unlikely it can be done. One hopes
[Cooper:] Because of the danger on the ground?
[Cohen:] The danger on the ground, you got rebels who are going to resist any kind of a settlement at this point. They are disheartened by the fact that the United States has backed away from using force. The president has threatened the use of force but it has to be a credible military threat. The fact is there is under whelming support from the Congress in the country for the use of force. I think the Russians are exploiting this. President Putin has gone from being the prince of darkness to the piper of peace. That may last for awhile. He can enjoy that particular bump in popularity domestically, perhaps internationally. But I doubt very much whether the Russians are ever going to agree to a situation where the United States can use force, you know, with the support of the U.N. against Syria, simply because of non-compliance. I think that is not going to happen. I think with the Russians will do will say, drop your preconditions of threatening force against Syria, drop your support for the rebels, and then we can talk about an overall peace settlement. And maybe that will involve secretary general has indicated that Assad may be guilty of crimes against humanity, perhaps part of the deal be giving Assad and his family asylum in Russia with Mr. Snowden.
[Cooper:] Do you think the United States actually would give up its support of the rebels? I mean, the rebels have been saying all along you haven't been arming us the way we would like. There was a report from CNN and "the Washington Post" two days ago that the CIA has begun to supply weapons to various rebel groups. But do you think that is actually on the negotiating table?
[Cohen:] I think our support for the rebels has been very minimal to be sure. On one hand, we had almost a Churchillian call to war by Secretary Kerry and then we had a stand out. So, a call to war, a call to action and then go to parade rest. Another call to action going to parade rest. So, I think the uncertain trumpet we have been blowing has really undermined the rebels in their effort. And we have not really given them very much in the way to wage this war against a President Assad who we said had to go, and we have done very little to make him go. And so, I think our position has been quite weak and the threat of using military force against Assad with resistance coming, strong resistance from the big core of this country and from Congress makes it difficult for the president. He could launch an attack against certain assets of Assad, but he would do so after having asked Congress for authority and then not getting it. It would be difficult for him politically.
[Cooper:] We will continue to watch what happens tomorrow. Secretary Cohen, appreciate your expertise. Thank you.
[Cohen:] Good to be with you.
[Cooper:] Good to have you on the program as always. As Secretary Cohen mentioned, Syria may already be moving its weapons around. There is disagreement right now within the intelligence community about where some of that enormous arsenal is located. Chris Lawrence is following that side of the story tonight from the Pentagon. How big is this disagreement, Chris, among the intelligence officials and what does it mean for any action the U.S. might have to take against Syria?
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] It gets pretty wide, Anderson. I mean, on one end of the spectrum, some analyst have looked at the intelligence and say they know where most of the chemical weapons are. On the other hand, other analysts looked at it and said the United States may not be able to verify the location of up to half of Syria's chemical weapons. So we are talking about a thousand tons. This is a lot of chemical weapons. What they all agree on is that there was significant movement of these chemical materials in that time frame when the president seem to be ramping up the United States foreign air strike. In fact, "the Wall Street Journal" is reporting that an elite unit of the Syrian army moved some of these chemical stockpiles to up to 50 sites. And it's important no matter how this shakes out, if this all works out with the U.N. and Russia, how are you going to have accountability for the international community to sort of take control if you don't know where all of the stockpiles are, and if it comes down to a U.S. air strike, they have to be assured that they aren't going to hit an actual chemical stockpile and release deadly gas into the air.
[Cooper:] If there is a wildly disagreement in the intelligence community, how normal is that on something as important as this?
[Lawrence:] Believe it or not, it actually fairly normal. It doesn't come to a surprise to some of the intelligence officials who have been speaking with CNN. They point to Osama bin Laden operation where there was no uniformity on whether bin Laden was actually at that compound. They say different agencies are looking at different pieces. The NSA is looking at the intercepted communications, the CIA may look at the ground intelligence, military officials intelligence officials here may be look at satellite imagery. So ultimately, the director of National Intelligence has the final say. It's his job, James Clapper's job, to look at this and bring it together and ultimately it's his assessment that will be presented to President Obama.
[Cooper:] Yes. Interesting. Chris Lawrence, appreciate the reporting. Coming up, back here at home. The woman accused of murdering her husband by pushing him off a cliff just eight days after the wedding. Well for the first time, we hear her first side in court, plus a song from their wedding takes on a new meaning one in that words of the songwriter is kind of creepy. Later, we could be on the track to see the most measles cases in the United States in 17 years. What is behind this uptick? We will tell you when we continue.

[Pereira:] They were cousins, armed with axes and knives. They launched an attack on worship worshippers and all four people were killed. All of them rabbis, three American Israelis, one a British citizen. We're told because of the connection to America the FBI is going to launch an investigation. President Obama for his part has condemned these attacks saying there can be no justification. He added, quote, "At this sensitive moment in Jerusalem, it's more important for Israeli and Palestinian leaders and ordinary citizens to work cooperative to lower tensions, reject violence and seek a path towards peace." Israeli envoy to the U.N. Ron Prosor is here and Ben Wedeman joins us from Jerusalem. Ben, I want to turn to you. Give us the latest on the situation. It's been a very, very tense day there.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, it's been very tense since about 7:00 this morning when this attack took place when these two Palestinians from east Jerusalem burst into morning prayers and killed those four people. There were actually about ten or possibly a dozen people inside this synagogue, six remain in very serious condition, one of them was one of the police officers who responded to the calls for help, arriving on the scene just seven minutes after it happened and then, of course, they were able to kill those two attackers. But we are expecting the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to make a statement in about an hour and fifteen minutes from now on the situation in Jerusalem which, of course, is very tense. He has come out and said that they, the Israeli security forces, will be demolishing the homes of those two Palestinian attackers. He has come out also, earlier in the day, condemning what he called incitement by Hamas as well as the Palestinian authority led by President Mahmoud Abbas. So certainly we're expecting some sort of further explanation as to what Israel's steps will be. It's important to keep in mind that these attackers don't come from the west bank, they don't come from Gaza, they live within an area that is under full Israeli control, Michaela.
[Pereira:] Quickly, I'm wondering, Ben, if you can give us an understanding that the authorities believe these were lone wolf actors, if you will. But we have also been reporting here in the last few weeks, in the last month, of other kind of similar attacks.
[Wedeman:] Yes, we've had a variety of attacks. In fact, six people have been killed in the last few weeks by what are being described as these lone wolf attacks, attackers largely from east Jerusalem with no apparent affiliation to any radical Palestinian organizations. And this is what makes it so difficult because under normal circumstances these t Israeli security forces intelligence who are quite capable have a lot of means at their that they can use to watch and follow people. When it comes to judges who are just acting on their own it's very difficult to anticipate any possible attacks.
[Pereira:] Ben Wedeman, our thanks. Ambassador Prosor is here with me in studio. Sir, first of all, our condolences certainly have to be given. What a terrible day. We've heard the reaction of Benjamin Netanyahu, saying he is going to respond and that Israel will respond with a heavy hand. I think there's such concern about a new level of conflict, but what do you expect that heavy hand to look like?
[Ron Prosor, Israeli Permanent Representative To The United Nations:] First, let's look at the facts. Just think. In less than a month six terrorist attacks against Israelis. Trains, streets, the Palestinian authority putting cartoons on their official sites calling the ram Jews. And if you look at today, basically innocent Israelis can not find sanctuary.
[Pereira:] In a house of worship.
[Prosor:] In a sanctuary of a synagogue. And you saw with American citizens and British citizens, terrorism doesn't have borders, doesn't know nationalities. And I have to tell the American people and everyone else, look, Israel is on the front line encountering this terrorism from Hamas, from Hezbollah, from all those radical enemies that you see all around. If you're not with us today, you'll find terrorism on your doorsteps tomorrow.
[Pereira:] And we are already seeing the terrorism working its way around the world. What do you expect the reaction to be like from your country?
[Prosor:] Well, first and foremost, every prime minister, every president, the first thing that he has to do is protect his citizens, so I think you see a reaction trying to protect Israeli citizens, which is quite obvious. But the point that I want to make, which is really important, is the incitement. Because the incitement issue continues day in and day out and we can see that in the Palestinian authority on Hamas calling for a day of rage. And those are the results, because people come and listen to this, so you have Israel and the prime minister on the one hand with Kerry and King Abdullah and Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu standing tall and saying, hey, no changes on the temple mount and the other side, inciting.
[Pereira:] So here's a question. We've tried to explore this many times here. How do you counter the inciting of an ideology? Because you can destroy a people, but the ideology will continue.
[Prosor:] That's true. But what do you have? You have to make sure that terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Boko Haram, and Nigeria, they all have an ideology going out against the values that we all cherish, Americans, Israelis, everyone in the world. But we can't make a differentiation. We have to really stick very strong and counter it everyday. Because at the end of the day, only through education, we will be able to change something.
[Pereira:] To that end, there's no we are in for a long haul.
[Prosor:] True. We are in for a long haul, understanding that there are powers and terrorist organizations with ideology trying to take us down. And if you look after 91111 have increased by five times as much around the world. So we all have to stand very strong, not making any discounts, not blaming ourselves, but making sure those that those terrorists are going to be attacked and stopped before they reach our doorsteps.
[Pereira:] Ambassador Prosor, thank you so much for your time today. And again, our condolences. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, I should point out, is going to hold a news conference around 12:30 Eastern time, about an hour from now, and CNN will bring his comments to you live when that happens. Ahead right here, recruiting for ISIS. An American woman accused of trying to sign up people for terror attacks. We'll take you inside the FBI's undercover operation coming up.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Hong Kong officials and protesters remain at a standoff this morning. And while the crowds are smaller, there are still a large number of protesters lining city streets. Pro-democracy activists ignored a government deadline to disperse, but they did allow city workers to enter offices that have been blocked the past week. We have Will Ripley there live in Hong Kong with the latest. Will, what's the situation?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it's Monday evening here. And, yes, the crowds are smaller at this hour. But over the weekend, we saw perhaps the biggest crowds yet, tens of thousands of people filled this area. You can see this look of the place keeps evolving. This is a stairway now lined with post-it notes. All of them with messages supportive of the umbrella movement that has taken shape. There is even art popping up, Chris. This is a new, it's already trending on Twitter, Umbrella Man, an artist wheeled this out over the weekend, and photos of it immediately begin springing up, because all of these protesters, thousands of them, have been using their cell phones to share information and share photos about what's happening here. The Hong Kong government is facing a huge challenge right now, trying to figure out how to disperse these crowds, because what you're looking at here is an onramp to that should be a highway, that for more than a week has been filled with people. Tents continue to spring up. People are sleeping out here at night, and it's causing financial trouble and gridlock in this city of 7 million, Chris.
[Cuomo:] And the statue relevant, Will. Thank you for pointing it out, because it does remind of that statue that was erected all those years, 25 years ago in Tiananmen Square. Of course, there are different situations, but motivated by the same pro-democracy sentiment. And, Will, that winds up bringing in the real factor here, the government in Beijing. Yes, there's negotiations between the protesters and Hong Kong's government. But what is going on, on that level?
[Ripley:] Sources very familiar with the Hong Kong and Beijing leadership tell us that this is very concerning to the communist party in China. They are fearful that the images of this will spread to other Chinese cities, that perhaps people in mainland China will feel inspired and try to start similar movements, which could, of course, undermine the entire power structure in China. And, of course, we know what happened 25 years ago. But we are also hearing from those same sources that the Chinese government has instructed Hong Kong leadership to resolve this in a peaceful way. We are told that they are essentially considering this as a long battle. That they're going to try to wait it out, to see if these crowds disperse will eventually disperse. We see smaller crowds right now. But keep in mind over the weekend, one week into this, tens of thousands fill the streets. And it's not to say it couldn't happen again, Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right. Will, thank you very much. We'll be checking back in with you. Mick?
[Pereira:] All right. It is 40 minutes past the hour. Let's give you a look at your headline. A U.S. airman is dead after being swept out to sea following a monster typhoon that slammed Okinawa, Japan, on Sunday. Two of his colleagues are still missing. They, too, were overcome by those waves. Officials, in fact, say rough seas are further complicating rescue efforts. Search teams hunting for Eric Frein, the suspected killer of a Pennsylvania state trooper. They have narrowed their focus after a possible sighting by law enforcement. This just days after authorities found, ammunition, clothes and other supplies at a campsite in the Pennsylvania woods that they believe was Frein's. He, of course, is accused of ambushing two troopers last month, killing one, wounding another. Pope Frances is presiding over a two-week gathering at the Vatican to debate reforms in the Catholic Church. Cardinals from all over the world are all in attendance. Issues like allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive communion top the agenda. The pope has been challenging the conservative faction of cardinals to be more merciful and inclusive with the faithful. An American and two Norwegians will share this year's Nobel Prize in Medicine. American John O'Keefe and his two colleagues May-Britt Moser and Edward Moser were recognized for their discovery of cells that constitute a positioning system in the brain. The Nobel committee says they solved a problem that baffled scientists and philosophers for centuries. Tomorrow, they'll announce the prize for physics. Now, you have probably seen those segments where celebrities read mean tweets about them. Well, now, professors at the University of Alabama are doing their own version, reading their own reviews from ratemyprofessors.com. Let's give you a little taste.
[Unidentified Female:] She's the miserable teacher, worst I ever had at Alabama. Stay away from her if you want to pass this class. So, I know who that is.
[Pereira:] Many of the professors say end of semester surveys, not the Web site, are the better barometer of their work in the classroom. Oh, you got to have some tough skin to do that. I think it's quite comical to do that. You have to, look, after being a teacher for a a professor for so many years, I'm sure you had your share of snarky students.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] We should do that. We should read our mean e-mails.
[Pereira:] We would be here a long time. Yes, that's right.
[Cuomo:] She gets from me. I send She knows what it's like to be me. I will send her a couple mean ones. You know, here's what I don't get I don't get whether social media has created something where people can be more candid, give voice to people. Or is it just this form that's becoming more and more toxic.
[Pereira:] It's both. One feeds the other.
[Camerota:] Right. The fact that it's a venting machine, without anybody responding, which is why sometimes, it's great to respond.
[Cuomo:] I feel like the nature of disagreement has changed on social media, where instead of saying I disagree, like they do in e-mails. We get lots of great emails. Keep them coming. Facebook also, but Twitter especially. It does seem like it's more, I'll say I disagree with you by saying something mean about you personally. And I don't get it.
[Camerota:] I think that's right. So, yes, but we do appreciate the feedback. Keep it coming.
[Cuomo:] Yes, kind of. Look, I want to be insulted, I don't have to go on social media. Let's go to Indra.
[Camerota:] Yes, you can just turn right there.
[Cuomo:] Meteorologist Indra Petersen, keeping track of the latest always quick to tell me when I am quick to screw up.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] But think about it. Weather. People are not so happy. A lot of haters out there, thanks to the fact that the weather has cooled off. We actually have a little bit of good news. The weather pattern is going to change. Things are improving, at least in the short term. You can actually see the temperatures not nearly as cold in the morning hours, as we saw yesterday in the Upper Midwest and into the north. You so slowly starting to see improvement. Not to say we don't have frost and freeze warnings still out there into the Northeast today. But again, the pattern will be changing. We're going to be watching as the cold front making its way through the day. Seeing some light showers in the Ohio Valley, down to about the Gulf. But there will be a threat for severe weather. So, that's where we're going to see the larger amounts of showers, even some large hail possibly, even an isolated tornado, guys. Yes, this time of year Cincinnati, Nashville, Jacksonville, even out towards Shreveport, that's where we're going to be looking for the severe weather threat. But, again, the showers are being kind of more widespread, one to two inches out towards the Northeast, where you have that severe weather, that's where we're going to see those higher amounts, but to four inches of rain. But you know, it's raining, but it doesn't mean the temperatures are not improving. There's a cold air that was in place. Look at that. It is going back to the north, where we want it to retreat. Meanwhile, the warm air will start to fill in, maybe too hot for you down to the south. You're talking about '80s and 90s. I do not feel sorry for you, because the cool air. We want that to go as long as possible. And here we go, we're seeing the temperatures rebound already, New York City going back to the 70s. Notice D.C. actually getting close to 80 degrees, again by the middle of the week and I can take that, because you know what? Now, I appreciate it so much more after cold weekend, right?
[Pereira:] Two days and now, you suddenly appreciate it.
[Petersons:] Yes. And all the Twitter hate will go away as well. Thanks, everyone, complaining about it. Exactly.
[Cuomo:] In weather terms for Twitter to become a nice place, something else would have to freeze over. And it won't be the Northeast.
[Petersons:] Well put for one.
[Cuomo:] Hey, look at that. Things are looking up. U.S. officials now considering extra security at the airport. The reason is obvious, to keep Ebola out. But is that the right move? Would it even be effective, or is it just too little too late? The director of the CDC, Dr. Thomas Frieden, will join us next. He'll know the answer.

[Paul:] Ten minutes to 9:00 and this week's police shooting of Walter Scott in South Carolina once again brings attention to police-involved shootings and whether police should wear body cameras. It's often tough to make a call and the right call at that. CNN's Randi Kaye takes a look at all kinds of deadly encounters that were caught on tape.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Tense moments at a gas station near Columbia, South Carolina. Shawn Gruber, a highway patrol officer, has just pulled over a man. Watch what happens next.
[Shawn Gruber:] May I have your license, please? Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Get on the ground. Get on the ground.
[Kaye:] When the man turned back inside his car to get his license, the officer fired in an instant.
[Gruber:] Are you hit?
[Levar Jones:] I think so am. I can't feel my leg. Why did you shoot me?
[Gruber:] You dove head first back into your car.
[Jones:] I'm sorry.
[Kaye:] The victim, 35-year-old Levar Jones survived. Officer Gruber was fired and charged with aggravated assault and battery. In Billings, Montana a police officer approaches four men sitting inside their car.
[Grant Morrison, Police Officer:] Hands up. All four of you. Hands up.
[Kaye:] Officer Grant Morrison appears to recognize one of them as a suspect from an earlier shooting. He tells him he's making him nervous, then this.
[Morrison:] Hands up. Hands on the
[Kaye:] The man killed, it turns out, was unarmed. But Officer Morrison said he feared for his life because the man kept dropping his left hand despite the officer's warnings to keep his hands up. The shooting was ruled justifiable homicide. [voice over] In Arizona, this video from Officer Tyler Stewart's body camera captures the last moments of his life. On it, a casual conversation between the officer and a man suspected of domestic violence. Officer Stewart doesn't even have his gun drawn. But watch what happens when the officer asks to frisk the man.
[Tyler Stewart, Police Officer:] Mind if I pat down your pockets real quick? You don't have anything in here?
[Unidentified Male:] No, no.
[Stewart:] Ok. Nothing in here?
[Unidentified Male:] No. This is my smoke.
[Kaye:] The video ends there, just as the suspect pulled a.22 caliber revolver from his pocket, firing six shots at the officer. Hit five times, the officer never had a chance.
[Unidentified Female:] There were a series of rounds fired at the time.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you know where his injuries are?
[Unidentified Female:] In his face.
[Kaye:] The 24-year-old officer died at the hospital. The suspect, meanwhile, used the officer's weapon to take his own life. Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
[Blackwell:] All right. Our thanks to Randi Kaye for that report. Coming up on "SMERCONISH" at the top of the hour, if you haven't heard, Hillary Clinton is running for president. I mean it's the worst-kept secret in all of politics.
[Paul:] Really?
[Blackwell:] Smerconish is going to talk to the man who wrote the book on her life, really wrote the book on Hillary Clinton but insiders discuss a new campaign strategy. But next it's a return to form for Tiger Woods but one young phenom has taken the spotlight from the golf superstar at the Masters.

[Costello:] As you well know, it takes big bucks to run for office and this year's midterm election could set records. Chris Frates has the numbers for you.
[Chris Frates, Cnn Correspondent:] These are really important elections and the reason they're so important is that the Senate hangs in the balance. Right now Democrats control the Senate, Republicans want to control the Senate and that has made these very important elections very expensive. These things are going to cost $4 billion before we're over $4 billion is a lot of money. Most of us can't wrap our heads around it. It's like Bill Gates money, right? So the kinds of things you could do with $4 billion? You could put 24,000 kids through K-12 education. $4 billion is ten times more than the government has said they're going to spend on ebola and you could build 100 ebola treatment centers with that kind of money. So dark money, right? Sounds very sexy and it is. It's this is money that they don't disclose who the donors are. It's secret money essentially. A lot of the critics of this kind of group say we don't know who these people are, they give unlimited donations and they're only supporting one candidate. They're really just circumventing the campaign finance limits. Special interests, parties and candidates they're all dumping huge amounts of money into these elections because they want their team to control the Senate on November 5.
[Costello:] Chris Frates reporting. Wall Street is putting its midterm money on the Republicans. According to a new report, a majority of political contributions from individuals and firms are going to GOP candidates. CNN's Christine Romans is here to break it all down for us. Good morning.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] Good morning. Remember it was Wall Street and the investment community that basically helped elect President Barack Obama remember? All of their money behind that candidate. How things have changed because they are betting on the Republicans in these midterms. In fact, when you look at the individual donations of people who work in the banking and finance industry you can see 63 percent of that money is going to GOP candidates, a total of $78 million. And according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Carol, that's a record high both percentage and raw dollars for a GOP in a midterm. So two reasons here, I think, that the money is backing the GOP here. One, either fairly or unfairly, Wall Street thinks it has been blamed for too many of the problems in the economy and too harshly treated in the wake of the financial crisis. But number two, I would say, Carol, is that they're betting who they think is the winning horse and that's really putting their money where they think they're going to get more results. Three sectors we'll be watching financials, energy and industrials those are the three sectors seen benefitting the most from Republicans controlling the Senate and the House so you're seeing individuals in those sectors funneling their money toward GOP candidates Carol.
[Costello:] Interesting. Christine Romans, many thanks as always. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, he really knows how to get our undivided attention. Daredevil Nik Wallenda defies death once again and picks up a few new records along the way.

[Lemon:] One of the jurors in the Jordan murder trial the murder trial of Michael Dunn, I should say, is breaking her silence. A Florida jury convicted Dunn of three counts of attempted second-degree murder for shooting into an SUV, carrying four black teenagers, but they could not agree on the murder charge stemming from the death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis. CNN's Alina Machado sat down with the woman known as juror number eight.
[Creshuna Miles, Juror No. 8:] I never once thought about, oh, this was a black kid, this was white guy, because that was that wasn't the case.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] So, the people who say here's another white guy who got away with shooting and killing a black kid, what would you tell them?
[Miles:] I would tell them that they really should knowledge themself on the law.
[Machado:] Creshuna Miles is setting the record straight.
[Miles:] I just wanted to bring justice to whoever it was.
[Machado:] The 21-year-old was juror number 8 in the Michael Dunn murder trial. She sat down exclusively with CNN to talk about the case and the heated deliberations. [on camera]: What was it like inside that deliberation room?
[Miles:] It was wild.
[Machado:] Wild as
[Miles:] Like it was shouting. There was a lot of yelling.
[Machado:] Miles even shared her impression about Michael Dunn and explain the partial verdict the jury returned. [on camera]: What did you think of Michael Dunn?
[Miles:] I honestly think he was a good guy. I think he's a good guy. I don't think he hates everybody. I don't think he walks around wanting to shoot everybody. I think that he made bad decisions.
[Machado:] You still think he's guilty of murder, though?
[Miles:] Yes. I really think he's guilty of murder, but not the guilty as charged.
[Machado:] First degree, you don't he's guilty
[Miles:] I think he's guilty of second degree.
[Machado:] How difficult was it for you to come back into that courtroom knowing that Jordan Davis' parents were there and that you couldn't agree on a charge related to his death?
[Miles:] It was hard. We were confident and cool with it. But when he sent us back, we were just like, OK, this is the decision we had to make. But when he sent us back we got nervous. We got really nervous. Because we didn't know, do this means this throws out the whole case or is she going to retry him or is the court satisfied with just what happened? Is she going to do more? Is Jordan ever going to get justice? We did not know. And walking back into there I got so nervous because I'm just like, what do we what if we completely messed up?
[Machado:] Do you feel like you messed up? Do you feel like the jury messed up?
[Miles:] No. I feel like we did what we were supposed to.
[Machado:] What would you tell Jordan's family?
[Miles:] I would tell them that from my end, I tried. I really did try. I tried to fight for his son. I saw the look on his dad's face when we were on the stand. And I know it hurts. And it's like, oh, you got this wound to heal and then somebody slices it open again. Because now they got to go through that whole process all over again.
[Lemon:] Alina Machado reporting there. A retired federal prison warden has spent most of his life around prisoners. Now, he wants to help their kids. His story is next.

[Cuomo:] All righty. The alchemy of politics is all around us. The GOP needs just six seats today to gain control of the Senate. We're going to take a closer look now at some of the tight races. We'll call them the big six. You got your old paper ready? Arkansas, Alaska, Louisiana, Montana, South Dakota and West Virginia. You also have Colorado and Iowa into the mix. They're bubbling up a little bit. All the states that the GOP is hoping to flip into their column, or at least expect to. Let's bring in John Avlon, CNN political analyst, editor in chief of the "Daily Beast"; Margaret Hoover, CNN political commentator and Republican consultant; Errol Louis, CNN political commentator and political news anchor at New York 1 News and Ron Brownstein, CNN senior political analyst and editor editorial director for the "National Journal." That was the hard part. So let's take a look at these states. Let's just let's take one step back. People getting ready to go to the polls. Three's all this urgency and expectation. Ron Brownstein, the media often accused of hyping elections just so people watch them. I don't remember this many horse races, even with the big shift in 2010. The unknowns.
[Ron Brownstein, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] Why?
[Brownstein:] A lot of close races, look, because you have a you have a public that is dissatisfied, really, with what's happening in the country and not really enthusiastic about either political party. President Obama has very low approval rating. The Republican Congress has an even lower approval rating. Two-thirds of the country say we're on the wrong track. You don't really have an overwhelming tilt toward one side or the other in that sense. But you have a lot of close races that are leaning Republican, and that put them in a very good position to win control of the Senate.
[Cuomo:] Errol, all about turnout. You know that very well. Early voting seems unusually robust. Does that mean that I've been wrong in anticipating unusually low turnout?
[Errol Louis, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, no. I think you can get early voting and also get low turnout. I mean, what it means is that the motivated voters and they seem to be on the Republican side in many of these states are getting out. They're locking up their vote. They're going to have a robust turnout operation. But in the end, because this Congress is so unpopular, because they've been so unproductive, the 112th Congress, the 113th Congress, people are really looking for a change, but they're very disillusioned. And in many cases, they're not going to come in. Another factor to keep in mind is that, because of gerrymandering, because you have a lot of safe seats, you have many, many incumbents who don't really have a race.
[Cuomo:] That Gerry, when he was doing the the document with Madison, do you think he knew that his name would get dragged around like this? So Margaret, you know, does this come down simply to for all the intrigue of why, why, why, why. These are states, most of these key states, these six states, that Romney won. These are purple. You should win them.
[Margaret Hoover, Cnn Political Commentator:] You're right, this is the good luck of the map. And by the way, the Democrats have the good luck of the map in two years. So Republicans could very well...
[Cuomo:] Let's stick to now, Margaret. Let's stick to now.
[Hoover:] I know. Heaven forbid we go to 2016. But I'm sticking on the Senate 2016. I mean, this could all flip in two years. This is really luck of the map. Republicans need to all win these seats, and it's I mean, there are more problems with the Republican Party if we don't. Truly. But I think we're going to, so it's OK.
[Cuomo:] Where are the Democrats' heads, John, in terms of saying, "No, we don't think it's going to happen"?
[John Avlon, Cnn Political Analyst:] Look, I think a lot of Democrats are in denial and, obviously, it's political malpractice to say publicly, "Oh, I think we're going to lose the Senate tonight."
[Cuomo:] Because it's honest?
[Avlon:] Not just because it's honest, but sometimes I think we all get caught up in the polls and say, "Well, this is a done deal. Everybody knows the Republicans are going to win." And it really does matter who turns out today. And yes, early voting is going to be disproportionately older, maybe whiter. But do young voters turn out? Do minority voters turn out? That's a large part of the GOTV operation in states like Colorado that could provide the difference. But you don't want you know, ultimately, the people are empowered today. They get to make the choice. And we spend so much time fixating on polls and acting like it's a done deal, we do them a disservice.
[Brownstein:] Chris, can I go back to Margaret's point from a minute ago? If the Republicans win the Senate tonight, neither party will have held the Senate for more than eight consecutive years since 1980. That is the longest period of that kind of instability, really, since the 19th Century.
[Cuomo:] Is that instability?
[Brownstein:] Yes. Neither side has been able to sustain the kind of majorities we've seen in the past, enduring majorities, much less unified control of the White House, the House and the Senate.
[Cuomo:] Is that bad or is that good, though?
[Brownstein:] It's a sign of the times that neither side can really establish a lasting advantage. And what you've got is an electorate that is moving back and forth between the parties and has not really seen either of them, I think, produce outcomes in the last several decades that would cement lasting allegiance.
[Avlon:] And that's in large part because we've got market failure in our politics, right? I mean, the parties are more polarized than ever before. More people are independent and in the center. And they keep vacillating between both. But you've got the least productive, least popular Congress in American history. And it looks like in this cycle, Republicans are going to get rewarded by taking over the Senate. But if most of the populist anger is against dysfunction in Washington, will this only compound it further? And that's one of the real questions. Do Republicans want to show they can govern for the next two years, or are they going to kind of revert to their grandstanding and alienating even more folks?
[Cuomo:] You know what's one of the nice things? Obviously, I grew up in New York politics here, watching the great Errol Louis take us through all these things. You know, for all we think we know, it comes down to this day. And let me tell you, everybody, no matter how big their mouth is in these campaigns, they're nervous because they're waiting on you. There will be surprises, I guarantee it. It is always that way. We'll follow it as we get more information from the polls. For now, take a breather. Alisyn, over to you.
[Camerota:] All right, Chris. With election day finally here, which early signs can we watch for as voters begin to roll in? CNN's John King will tell us what to look for, "Inside Politics." And, tragedy averted. Police in Baltimore foil a possible school shooting. The surprising details of how they discovered what a teenager allegedly had planned, that's ahead.

[Christi Paul, Cnn:] All right, breaking news out of California this morning. A 6.1 magnitude earthquake rocked the San Francisco Bay Area. The quake's epicenter only six miles south of Napa, makes it 51 miles from Sacramento, but according to the U.S. Geological Survey, this is the largest quake to hit the Bay Area since the Loma Prieta earthquake back in 1989. What you're looking at here are some of the pictures our viewers have been sending in to us of what they're dealing with, after this quake today. Let's put this into perspective. That Loma Prieta quake had a magnitude of 6.9. This morning, a 6.1. Still very early out there, 5:33, so far no immediate reports of injuries, but the USGS estimates more than 100,000 people experienced quote, "very strong shaking". CNN meteorologist Jennifer Gray, you've been talking to some people in the Bay Area this morning. What are they telling you?
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, I've seen just some reports from former co-workers who are saying that some of the buildings in the downtown area of Napa total loss, just as you've seen, also the buildings houses on fire, we've also seen, you know, the water mains busted. It's just been a mess across a lot of these neighborhoods. We're seeing pictures right there there's one of those homes on fire, and so a lot of cleanup going on. These brick buildings a lot of these older buildings in some of these downtown areas, structural damage, a lot of these stores as you're seeing there, inside you can see wine bottles just completely broken on the floor just total disaster inside. Not only in the stores but people's homes, very similar scenes like you're seeing there, things off the shelves, in people's kitchens, living rooms, seeing messy situation. Of course like you said, over 100,000 people felt very, very strong shaking with this being the strongest earthquake felt in about 25 years, so a lot of people waking up this morning very, very scared. So break it down for you, of course, 3:20 this morning magnitude of 6.1, the depth was 6.7 miles, six miles south-southwest of Napa. No tsunami watches or warnings were ever issued which is good news there. And when you break it down with the magnitude and class being a 6.1, that is considered a strong earthquake, and so Christi, a lot more will be assessed, you know, as the sun comes up. It's still very early over on the West Coast.
[Paul:] Absolutely. In fact Craig Chan tweeted to me. He said, "I'm in San Francisco and it woke me up. I was here in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, thought this might be the big one." Craig is on the phone with us now. Craig, thank you so much for giving us some perspective from where you are. What made you think this was the big one?
[Craig Chan, Resident:] Well, to me, I've lived here all my life in San Francisco and when I feel anything that goes past ten seconds it really makes you kind of think that this might be the one, so you know, I just had to be prepared about it and you never know when it's going to happen. So you know, just very jarring to have something like that at 3:00 in the morning kind of wake you up.
[Paul:] Sure, sure. So it was the duration of this that surprised you?
[Chan:] Oh, absolutely. The duration and the feeling was kind of like very kind of slow and steady rolling, then all of a sudden it just stopped. I got out of my apartment and kind of walked down the hallway to check on a few people that lived in the building and make sure everything was ok, and there weren't any major incidents so we're very lucky.
[Paul:] Ok, so everybody in your building is ok?
[Chan:] Correct, yes.
[Paul:] Ok. What kind of damage, do you have any damage in your apartment?
[Chan:] I didn't have anything fall down in my apartment, and of course, it's not daylight yet, so I can't do anything in terms of checking the exterior of the building yet but that's certainly something we'll do once, you know, 7:00 or 8:00 this morning.
[Paul:] I think you're one of the people that described it and I know you're in the Rushing Hills area, as something that I think you said it felt like a long rolling movement versus a short one. Is that right, like short jolts?
[Chan:] Correct.
[Paul:] You've felt both then obviously?
[Chan:] Yes, a little bit of a jolt and then that's when the building started to make a little bit of creaking sound and that's when I started getting a little concerned.
[Paul:] What you're seeing now here, I just want to tell our viewers real quickly, that is a buckled road in Napa. But what's interesting to me too, Craig, is that you were in the '89 quake. What do you remember from that one?
[Chan:] Just that I've retold the stories to people that visit San Francisco and they asked about that earthquake and that earthquake there was like this sense of a rolling energy that kind of rode through the neighborhood and it almost sounded like there's a freight train coming down the street where there's no freight train tracks at all and it wasn't an energy pass. It was like a wave of energy and I had living in the Richmond District in San Francisco and my back window there was a neighbor's building I could see and at one point my building was moving so much I could see the chimney and the window, then I couldn't see it and I could see it again and then couldn't see it and the next time I saw it in my window, all the bricks came down on the side of the house. So that was just so violent, and the energy that went through and you know, history has shown what happened out in the marina. The photos I see online and on the newscast right now in Napa, in downtown, with all the brick buildings. We had something that happened in our south market area that did the same exact damage. So we're really lucky here, very lucky here.
[Paul:] Yes. I was going to say. We're just grateful that you're all ok, and thank you so much for sharing with us your experiences and your thoughts here, and as we look at some of these pictures, but best of luck to you; certainly thoughts and prayers to all of you out there in that area. We're going to take a quick break here. We have more pictures, more people to talk to of the 6.1 magnitude earthquake near Napa, the largest in the Bay Area since the Loma Prieta earthquake back in 1989. Stay close.
[Unidentified Female:] It's an earthquake. It's an earthquake.
[Unidentified Male:] It's an earthquake. A strong earthquake.
[Paul:] If you've never been through an earthquake you're getting a sense of what it is like now from the Freking family, this in-home security camera that caught what happened, just about two hours ago, a 6.1 magnitude earthquake in California, six miles south of Napa the largest quake to hit the Bay Area since the Loma Prieta earthquake back in 1989. And we are now getting word that there are some people there in Napa trapped. Let's get Janet Upton from the California Fire Department PIO; Janet, thank you so much for being with us. What can you tell us about these people that are trapped?
[Janet Upton, Pio, California Fire Department:] Well, I can tell you personally to set the record straight first of all, actually I was involved in the earthquake and a resident of Napa myself. I haven't been out responding to a lot of the other area other than my neighborhood. And I can tell you that my neighborhood, chimneys have fallen, appliances fallen over, houses are, you know, several thousand dollar damage in terms of the contents. Still the quake happened just before 3:30 a.m. and it was strongly felt, from what I'm understanding, about five or six miles from the epicenter, which reported west of the Napa airport. So it of course woke everyone up and we of course, you know, the neighborhood came together, turned off all the gas lines but listening to the response radio, there have been silence going basically for the last two hours, checking on people, reports of minor entrapments downtown Napa seems to have suffered some damage in terms of reports of the front of houses, you know, falling away from the structure, that sort of thing.
[Paul:] Ok, when you say we're glad you're ok, first of all, let me get that out there, Janet, and glad everybody in your neighborhood is as well. When you say minor entrapment, do you have any indication how many people you're talking about? Was it residential?
[Upton:] Downtown is a mix of residential and commercial, and listening to the radio traffic again, the engines have responded, one of the protocols we do in the fire service when the fire service and the fire department has been involved in an earthquake like this, immediately the personnel at the station remove the apparatus that fire engines, fire trucks out from the garage so that if there's an aftershock, that they're not trapped and they're able to respond and help people, and I can tell you that our Greenwood Ranch, Napa County Cal Fire Station immediately was responding the moment the earthquake stopped. And they've been running for a couple of hours as have the other Napa city and other surrounding cal fire departments, checking on people, turning off gas, there was a very strong smell of gas in the neighborhood, but we finally, that's dissipated. We have all of the gas mains are shut off here because when an earthquake occurs, it's the aftermath, the gas leaks and the subsequent fires that are very concerning to responders.
[Paul:] Yes, we actually had a picture, I don't know if we can pull it up, of the house somebody sent me via social media, that was on fire, she said
[Upton:] Hang on, I got to let you go. We're having a little bit of an aftershock.
[Paul:] You're having an aftershock right now?
[Upton:] There it goes, we're good. We just had a little aftershock.
[Paul:] Are you ok?
[Upton:] I'm fine, I'm just going to get away from the window here.
[Paul:] Get away from the window, make sure everybody's ok.
[Upton:] Yes, it stopped for the moment but I'm going to let you go if that happens again.
[Paul:] Ok, I understand certainly. I wanted to ask you, you were talking about that strong smell of gas and how concerned obviously, how concerning that is. We did see this picture that we're looking at here right now on the screen that somebody sent me from Napa of a house that is on fire. Have you heard of many instances of this happening so far this morning?
[Upton:] I can tell you, I just spoke to the person in charge of our command center and he reported that there were a couple of structure fires at the north end of town. Right now the sirens seem to have slowed down, but I can tell you the moment after the earthquake happened until a short time ago, the sirens were loud and followed for two hours. Hang on one second. I have to let you go because this is an operational phone line so I have to let you go.
[Paul:] Ok, I understand, we'll get back to you but do take good care, everybody take care of themselves there. We appreciate you getting back to us. Boy, what a scene she paints for us, loud and constant sirens all morning for the last two hours, as this quake hit six miles south of Napa, and those people in Napa really feeling the brunt of it. A rolling sensation, they said, rolling, long movements versus short ones is what was felt in the San Francisco Bay Area, about 50 miles away or even 25 miles away in some areas. Walter Hayes, world renowned seismologist, is on the phone with us right now. Mr. Hayes, thank you for being with us. When you heard about this 6.1 magnitude quake in California, what was your first thought?
[Walter Hayes, World Renowned Seismologist:] California's been overdue for such an earthquake for quite a while, so it's not a big surprise in the statistical sense.
[Paul:] You know, you are the third or fourth person this morning who said California has been overdue. How often would you anticipate an earthquake there?
[Hayes:] The statistic is every ten years you'll have three of this size. We have not had three of this size in the last ten years. It's been since 1994, the North Ridge earthquake, that we really had a significant earthquake in California so, that's the reason people say it's overdue.
[Paul:] What kind of aftershocks do you think they should expect? While we were there, we were on the phone with Janet Upton and she was feeling one as we spoke.
[Hayes:] Kind of the rule of thumb if it's a magnitude 6.1, you'll have ten 5.1s, not exactly ten but the range of ten, 100 4.1s, so you can have a lot of shaking going on. Now the 4.1s and 5.1s are not that damaging unless they're very close but they can really be disconcerting.
[Paul:] Walter, what would you what is your assessment of maybe the next big quake in California? We had one gentleman who said he thought this was it, when it started.
[Hayes:] Well, they always feel that way when they start, and if they're shallow, like this one probably is I'm not certain of that, but it sounds like it may have been shallow, then they always seem stronger. Like we had a little magnitude five-point something in Virginia two years ago yesterday and it damaged the Washington Monument. It was shallow, very shallow.
[Paul:] I was looking at the history of some earthquakes, and I have a history here that in August of this year, a few weeks ago, there was an earthquake that hit China's Yunnan Province, killed 589 people, injured more than 2,400, and according to the USGS, they gauged that quake at what this one was at 6.1. Thank goodness we have heard of no injuries or deaths in this, although as you heard from Janet Upton there, there were some, they believe, some people that are trapped. She called it minor entrapment. Do you is California built to withstand most of these earthquakes?
[Hayes:] California is the leader in the world in terms of earthquake protection. That's the building code that protects the buildings, not the houses so much, but the buildings, and then the other good luck thing for the United States, compared to other countries is, we build out of wood, and wood is very forgiving, whereas concrete is not forgiving. But it takes real engineering know-how to make the concrete, reinforced concrete be earthquake- resistant. That's the reason we are so lucky.
[Paul:] We're so lucky. All right, Walter Hayes, world renowned seismologist we appreciate you taking time with us this morning. Thank you so much.
[Hayes:] My pleasure indeed.
[Paul:] And so you're looking at pictures, some of the pictures we're getting from San Francisco Bay Area from Napa area. You just heard a spokesman from the Cal Fire Department in Napa mentioning that there were a couple structure fires in the northern part of Napa; and here a picture of bricks from a building just crumbling. Again, we are about two and a half hours into the recovery, I will say, from this 6.1 magnitude quake. We're going to be talking to more people and have some more pictures for you on the other side of the break. Do stay close. About two and a half hours ago there was a 6.1 earthquake in California, about six miles south of Napa, and these are some of the latest pictures we're getting in of it. There is damage reported, some buildings down, minor entrapment in Napa there, according to a spokesman for the Cal Fire there in Napa. Strong smell of gas, she reported initially after, but they have turned off gas lines there. We have pictures of a couple of buildings, as I said, that are on fire, and that sirens had been loud and constant there in Napa for the last two and a half hours. This is a storefront here that obviously was very damaged. Adam Sure is a PIO of the San Francisco police. We have heard from a lot of people in San Francisco this morning especially via social media. Some saying they thought this was the big one. Adam, what kind of calls are you getting right now? Any damage? Any injuries?
[Adam Sure:] Yes, good morning, well, because of the early morning, it was so early in the morning, most people were at their homes when it happened, and what we believe is that this was a rumbling from Howard Stern's butt crack.
[Paul:] All right. Obviously that is not who we expected it was to be. We apologize for that so early in the morning. But I do want to keep on this, because the fact of the matter is, this is a serious situation. So we don't need any jokes going on right now, because we've got people who may be trapped in Napa. These are some pictures of some folks in Hercules, California, here, the Freking Family who so graciously shared their video from their in-home security camera with us, talking about what it was like for them, the chandelier was swinging, glass has been breaking. It has been frightening for these people. We even heard of people their pets going under the bed and not coming out. You can imagine how frightening it is for them. We have not heard of any reports of specific injuries, as we know, that things are in process there in Napa with those sirens. We do know that the spokesman for the Cal Fire told us there was an immediate response and they've been going at it since then. We will continue to keep you posted. We're going to get you to Candy Crowley right now.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] The Dunn case stirred strong echoes of the Trayvon Martin case, the unarmed teenager who was shot to death by a neighborhood watch volunteer. In fact, Trayvon's mother, Sybrina Fulton, shared this hug with the mother of Jordan Davis. Both of Trayvon Martin's parents have voiced their support and sympathy for Lucia McBath and her family. This morning, we are hearing from George Zimmerman, the man acquitted in Trayvon Martin's death in the seventh month since the jury returned the not guilty verdict in the murder trial. The public has seen little of Zimmerman aside from his various scrapes with the law. Now, two years after shooting the unarmed teenager, Zimmerman describes his life as a lightning rod for criticism and death threats. He sat down for an extensive one-on-one interview with Chris Cuomo of CNN's "NEW DAY."
[Chris Cuomo, Anchor, Cnn's "new Day":] It was a simple speeding ticket, but nothing is simple when George Zimmerman is involved. It would be the first in a string of run-ins with police that some saw coming. [on camera]: That expectation that it is just a matter of time. He will do it again. He will do it again. This is what he is about. What do you make of that kind of thought?
[George Zimmerman, Cleared Of Murdering Trayvon Martin:] I don't pay it any attention at all.
[Cuomo:] Next, Zimmerman's wife called 911 saying he was threatening her and her father with a gun. There were no charges. Divorce is pending and then Zimmerman's girlfriend accusing him of threatening her with a shotgun, this time Zimmerman would call 911 to get his side of the story out.
[Unidentified Dispatcher:] So why are you calling? What happened?
[Zimmerman:] I just want everyone to know the truth.
[Cuomo:] His girlfriend would later drop the charges and lift the restraining order against him. During our interview, she and her young daughter wouldn't leave his side and neither will controversy thanks in part to his new hobby. [on camera]: I've read what you put out there about the paintings. This is therapy. This is helping me. You had to know they would cause attention when you put them out there, right?
[Zimmerman:] Absolutely.
[Cuomo:] What did you want that attention to be about? Why are you putting the paintings out?
[Zimmerman:] To be honest, I-was hoping to be able to provide a decent lifestyle for my family.
[Cuomo:] Decent indeed. Zimmerman's first painting sold for more than $100,000. The next painting was priceless for a different reason. [on camera]: Angela Corey painting. Provocative, I have this much belief in the justice system. You knew that was going to be provocative.
[Zimmerman:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] Why do it?
[Zimmerman:] It was a creative, tangible form to show my inner thoughts, inner feelings.
[Cuomo:] Negative towards Angela Corey?
[Zimmerman:] Of course, I mean, it provided a tremendous release for me. So yes, it was worth it.
[Cuomo:] And then, there was the fight. A move as confusing as it was disturbing. The man whose defense at trial was an inability to hold off a teenager was now a prize fighter willing to take on all comers for charity. [on camera]: The idea of you fighting, you know, it's just the image is bad, but let alone a black rapper. The racial overtones of it, you know, were so horrible. What were you thinking there?
[Zimmerman:] When I signed on, it was never going to be a black rapper, white rapper, Asian, Hispanic rapper, anything like that. It was going to be an unknown person, a smaller event.
[Cuomo:] The whole theory of this case is that Trayvon wound up beating this guy down. He had marks on the back of his head. Now, he wants to fight. He is a fighter. You know, do you understand how that was a contradiction there?
[Zimmerman:] Yes. Again, that fraction of people that said that are the small percentage that don't realize that a boxing match with a referee in controlled conditions are significantly different than being mounted, as the witness stated, ground impound. If I went out there and got beat up, the charity was still getting paid. I don't want to get beat up, but I saw it as an opportunity. I never expected it to turn out the way it did.
[Cuomo:] George Zimmerman seems to feel that way about a lot of things, for example, becoming the face of whiteblack tensions in America.
[Zimmerman:] I actually had two full Peruvians and one American raising me. Two-thirds of my upbringing was that Peruvian and black people in my family. It was very shocking to me that simply based off my last name, people would make that presumption.
[Cuomo:] Though he is at the center of a debate about self-defense laws, he has little to say about them. [on camera]: Because of what you have gone through, and what your case was about, do you have feelings about self-defense and where the line should be and what's right and what's wrong? Do you have thoughts about that?
[Zimmerman:] I am not well versed enough to tell you. I feel until I sit down and study the constitution, probably ten years' worth of legal findings, I wouldn't be able to draw a solidified conclusion. I don't want to do what others have done to me and speak without examining information and facts. I do, however, support our second amendment right.
[Cuomo:] You might think Zimmerman would be riveted to the Michael Dunn trial given its comparisons to the situation.
[Zimmerman:] I should have prefaced this interview by letting you know I don't watch news anymore. I watch comedy shows, home improvement shows. I'm not well-enough informed to give you exacts.
[Cuomo:] How about advocating for the stand your ground laws that many identify with him? [on camera]: Are you comfortable being the face of stand your ground?
[Zimmerman:] I'm not comfortable being the face of anything to be honest with you.
[Cuomo:] It is what Zimmerman wants to be the face of going forward that may be the most confounding, justice? [on camera]: What do you want to do with your life?
[Zimmerman:] Good. I would like to professionally continue my education and hopefully become an attorney. I think that's the best way to stop the miscarriage of justice that happened to me from happening to somebody else. I don't think it should happen to anyone ever again, not one person.
[Cuomo:] What was the miscarriage of justice?
[Zimmerman:] The fact that two law enforcement entities stated that I had acted within the laws of our nation in self-defense.
[Cuomo:] You don't think it was about the law?
[Zimmerman:] I know it wasn't, yes.
[Cuomo:] What does that make you?
[Zimmerman:] A scapegoat.
[Cuomo:] A scapegoat for?
[Zimmerman:] The government, the president, the attorney general.
[Cuomo:] They would be scapegoating you why? To show that they are taking a position on something that matters to a lot of people.
[Zimmerman:] I don't know what they are thinking or why they are thinking it. All I know is that they are doing it. I don't know what agenda they have.
[Cuomo:] The case is over, but the judgment continues. While George Zimmerman may have won his freedom, he will probably never truly free.
[Zimmerman:] I have a lot of people saying that they guarantee that they are going to kill me and I'll never be a free man. I realize that they don't know me. I've learned that the majority of people when they sit down with me one-on-one or with my family and I, they get a completely different perspective on me.
[Cuomo:] When you are somewhere and people recognize who you are and they are looking at you, what do you do?
[Zimmerman:] Smile.
[Cuomo:] How often do they smile back?
[Zimmerman:] Ninety nine percent of the time. The 1 percent that don't are the most vocal percent. Definitely the most threatening percent, because they are very vocal about their displeasure.
[Cuomo:] People are angry, George. They are angry. The case wound up being seen as a metaphor for miscarriage of justice, blacks not receiving the same justice that whites do, their lives not mattering as much. This case became a metaphor, an example for that. Your face became the face of, this is the guy that gets away with killing a black kid. What do you do with that?
[Zimmerman:] Hope that I'm dispelling those, if it takes one person a day, at a time, to help them realize that that's not what this case was about. Then that's what I'll do.
[Costello:] Let's bring in Chris Cuomo now from New York. Chris, some viewers are writing to me, tweeting me. Why did you choose to sit down and interview George Zimmerman?
[Cuomo:] I think you have to look at the point of the interview, the idea that you should not give him a platform. He should not be interviewed. Carol, you tell me if you think I'm wrong. It is a no- brainer decision that George Zimmerman is newsworthy. He is at the center of a major criminal trial. The idea that you would avoid him because he is unpopular, because people don't like what he did, is not how journalism works. We all understand that, right?
[Costello:] Absolutely. I'm into full transparency. I was into what he had to say. It appears to me from the allegations of domestic violence and some of the traffic trouble he has gotten into. His life is clearly unsettled. Some might say it is a mess.
[Cuomo:] Yes. I think it is a safe assumption. I don't know that he would disagree. I think he feels like he has somewhat of a nonlife right now. The question becomes not whether or not a journalist interviews George Zimmerman. There is no real question there. It is what do you do with the interview? My feeling is this. This man has been given a lot of power by people especially his detractors strangely enough. That he is a calculating guy that worked the system and knew he could get away with this. I believe he is something decidedly less than that. He is a very good example of what we have to be careful about in society. A guy that is relatively unsophisticated that made a series of bad choices and then found himself killing somebody else and the law, because of the way it is designed, wound up allowing him to get away with it. It caused huge problems that we are seeing in the cry of having him not get more attention. We have to pay attention to him and to the situation surrounding him. So we can use it as an example for change. Now that said, Carol, I must say I don't know if in any state, they would have convicted George Zimmerman because of how acute the circumstances were of the violent conflict that he wound up in with Trayvon Martin, no matter how many bad decisions by George Zimmerman led him to that point even where you have a responsibility to retreat, like in New York State and many states under self-defense laws. I still think it would have been a very difficult prosecution for him. Again, the point is now larger. You interview him because he is relevant. He is newsworthy. He just is. What you do with him and the questions that arise out of it, I think those are important choices. It is a very important discussion.
[Costello:] He is relevant in light of the Dunn case and the stand your ground case, which I'm going to talk about right now. Thank you very much, Chris Cuomo. The Dunn verdict
[Cuomo:] If you had the chance to interview Michael Dunn, I'm sure you would take it, right?
[Costello:] Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you, Chris Cuomo. The Dunn verdict has created another stand your ground backlash. The hashtag #dangerousblackkids, the hash tag materialized on Twitter along with pictures. This one says, my son is clearly planning a robbery and shows a young boy drinking a root beer float and the picture of a baby with this underneath. He is getting aggressive, his temper is flaring and, my God, I feel fear. Extreme to some, but if you are the parent of a young African-American kid not extreme. With me now to talk about Florida's stand your ground law, Florida State Representative Matt Gates, a supporter of stand your ground and Ahmad Abuznaid, co-founders of Dream Defenders, a group opposed to stand your ground. Welcome, gentlemen. Ahmad, I want to start with you. The fact that this jury could not agree to convict Mr. Dunn on a first-degree murder charge in the death of Jordan Davis, how does that affect Floridians, especially in the black community?
[Ahmad Abuznaid, Legal And Policy Director, The Dream Defenders:] I don't think it had anything to do with the state of Florida whether it was first-degree or second-degree. We are grieving. We are upset. We feel like that the justice system has let us down, because it was unable to prove that an unarmed and unhostile young black male was not a threat to an aggressive, violent individual such as Michael Dunn.
[Costello:] Representative Gaetz, did Florida's stand your ground law work in the Dunn case?
[Michael Gaetz, Florida State Representative:] Well, I don't think anybody is going to nominate Michael Dunn or George Zimmerman for person of the year. Overall, the stand your ground law has worked for the state of Florida. If you look for the five years preceding stand your ground's passage, the murder rate was on the rise in Florida every year. Since we passed stand your ground, the murder rate has declined every year. I think the charge is inaccurate that stand your ground is disproportionately had a negative impact on African-Americans. In fact, African-Americans have asserted the stand your ground defense more than any other racial or ethnic group and by volume. African- Americans have been more successful at asserting the stand your ground defense than any other group. I am of the belief that if someone is attacked they shouldn't have the duty to retreat. That's a view held by most Floridians. In fact, when the proposal was made in Florida to repeal the stand your ground, even most Democrats on the committee I chair voted against the proposal to repeal stand your ground. So there seems to be pretty wide consensus that the law is good, though we have a system that can generate results that make folks uncomfortable.
[Costello:] Representative Gaetz, you know, in light of these two teenagers that are dead, right, under Florida's self-defense laws, a jury must decide whether a person reasonably believes his life is in danger. Reasonable may mean overreaction in some people's minds. Do you think this is why the jury could not decide to convict or acquit Dunn on that first-degree murder charge? Is it the way the law is written?
[Gaetz:] Well, I disagree with the premise of the question. Being reasonable and overreacting are two different things. We learn in law school that the reasonable standard is an objective standard. Now, I'll certainly concede that we have the worst justice system.
[Costello:] Some might look at Dunn's testimony and say, my gosh, he overreacted. Other people might say he acted reasonably. It is difficult to determine. It obviously was for this jury.
[Gaetz:] Well, I will concede that we have the worst justice system on the planet earth except every other justice system ever created. We tilt every advantage toward the accused and, yes, because we have a system where juries not robots make the decisions, sometimes a member or a couple of members of a jury will make a decision that others don't agree with. I didn't agree with the decision in the Casey Anthony case. But that doesn't mean we go and repeal our homicide statutes. If we went and repealed statutes in criminal law every time we disagreed with an outcome, there would be no law left.
[Costello:] Well, I just want to posture this. This law is so confusing in some people's minds. The mothers and fathers have lost children. It is affecting families on the other side of the coin. Listen to Jordan Davis's mother. Let's listen.
[Lucia Mcbath, Jordan Davis' Mom:] We are so very happy to have just a little bit of closure. It is sad for Mr. Dunn, that he will live the rest of his life in that sense of torment. I will pray for him. I've asked my family to pray for him.
[Costello:] So, that, first of all, was a really gracious thing for Jordan Davis' mother to say, correct. But these I don't know. It affects so many people's lives that the law isn't exactly clear, doesn't it?
[Abuznaid:] Yes, absolutely. I think what stand your ground did was it obviously removed the duty to safely retreat from our society. So now where pass a conflict can erupt between two individuals, be it popcorn in a movie theater or loud music at a gas station. Rather than a responsible Florida citizen taking a second to retreat, if possible and safely go home and make sure that multiple people are going home alive today, we encourage them to react aggressively and violently. That's what stand your ground does. We had self-defense laws prior to 2005. Prior to stand your ground, you were able to defend yourself. That's what self-defense is. Stand your ground has changed that.
[Costello:] Representative Gaetz, in your mind, let's go back to that movie theater incident. Curtis Reeves, the man charged who shot and killed Chad Oulson over texting in that movie theater. Was he justified in using Florida self defense laws?
[Gaetz:] Well, you know, the good thing about the justice system is that we don't let politicians make those decisions. We let the people that are the judges and juries make those decision. Now I am of the view that it is a good thing that Michael Dunn in particular is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. To me that's a good outcome that he won't be out among the rest of us. There isn't this lack of clarity that you keep describing. Stand your ground is pretty simple. It says, if you have a right to be where you are and you are not break the law
[Costello:] These are three sensational cases. You don't think there is a problem with the law.
[Gaetz:] I don't. I think the law is good as it is. You know, just because you have three outcomes that you don't like, you don't indict the law. If on average you look at the benefit the law has had. In my state, we are having fewer murders because we have a robust self- defense system. I think that that's probably a positive thing. Had I been on the Dunn jury with the evidence I saw, I probably would have voted to convict but, again, we have a jerseys stem where individuals bring their viewpoints.
[Costello:] You would have voted to convict Michael Dunn of first- degree murder in the death of Jordan Davis?
[Gaetz:] Yes. Just like I would have voted to convict Casey Anthony, but that doesn't mean because there was a result I didn't agree with, that we throw out the entire criminal justice system.
[Costello:] You don't think the jury, in part, couldn't come to a conclusion on that charge had anything to do with Florida's stand your ground law?
[Gaetz:] Well, stand your ground in the Dunn case was not an asserted defense. Just like it wasn't an asserted defense in the Zimmerman case. Now, I don't take the position that that doesn't mean that our stand your ground law didn't have some affect. I don't think the lack of clarity as a result of stand your ground. I think it is the facts that arose in those cases that the jury wasn't able to reach a verdict on beyond a reasonable doubt. Again, we tilt every advantage to the accused. One of those is that all jurors have to agree if someone is to be convicted. Here, they didn't, on that charge. Again, Michael Dunn is going to spend the rest of his life in jail.
[Costello:] But not at this point for killing Jordan Davis. We could go on and talk about it.
[Gaetz:] For his conduct that evening.
[Costello:] Thank you so much. I have to end it there. Representative Matt Gaetz and Ahmad Abuznaid, thank you for joining me. Still to come in the newsroom, cyberstalkers have struck again, this time against the popular crowd funding site, "Kickstarter." Up next, how do you know if you've been hit and what can you do to protect yourself?

[Cuomo:] Six Iranians are free this morning a day after being arrested for dancing in a YouTube video to the song "Happy". Authorities in Tehran called the homemade video vulgar and an affront to public chastity. The director of the video is still in custody, hasn't been released. But the president of Iran is giving a contradictory message. He's tweeting, saying he believes in free expression and that happiness is the right of all Iranians. What's going on here? Let's bring in chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour joining us from London. Help me understand this contradiction.
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Cheif International Correspondent:] Well, how can you not groove to that beat? Seriously, Chris, and of course, Iranians are just like all of us. They want to their music, their freedoms, and their fun. Their president supports them. But basically what this is is young people caught in a struggle between the hard liners and the moderates. The moderate president who told me in an interview that he actually wants to have more internet freedom and more social freedoms, but he hasn't been able to implement that while he is negotiating this deadly serious nuclear deal with the United States and the West. The hard liners are in control of the police and the morals police and judiciary, and they're just trying to tweak the president at every opportunity they can and hang on to their own kind of little bit of social control.
[Cuomo:] So is this an example of the president of Iran not having control of his government?
[Amanpour:] No, it's not. What happens in Iran is that it's a multi- pronged hydra. You have a lot of different areas of power, centers of power. What's happening is that the president was overwhelmingly elected. Now, that surprised the hard liners. They didn't think this man was going to be elected. They thought their guy, the hard liner, was going to be elected last year. Now the president has done something very, very difficult and new, and that is entered into these very serious nuclear negotiations with the United States and the West. There is a group of hard liners who said that they don't want this to happen. Now, they can't directly full-frontally attack the president because right now he has the support of the supreme leader. So they're trying to attack in other ways. So as I say, the social part of Iran, the judicial part of Iran is unfortunately being run by the hard liners right now while the president tries to secure this deal and, if he does, it be bolster his position in Iran, and he will be able to tackle some of the other issues, the social issues and political issues that he's promised.
[Cuomo:] Was this a little bit of an example of #diplomacy that the international community you know, the international community, social media, kind of getting behind what happened to these individuals, do you think it helped their situation?
[Amanpour:] You know, it probably, did but let's face it, Iran is Iran is meant to have no Twitter, no Facebook, no internet. But of course, everybody does. The Ayatollahs are watching, and the world is watching. And the fact that the president tweeted and many people all over the world tweeted, it did bring a huge amount of pressure. But again, here's what they've done. They've released these wonderful looking young people who look like all of us, they've released them now having forced them to make a public confession. They've released them, and they've probably given them a strict warning. And they say they released them on bail. There may be future legal ramifications. We don't know yet. But they've kept the director. And this is what they do frequently. They say, OK, we'll release these people; the world will shut up, but we've kept the director and that is our warning to you. It's a very ugly game that they play.
[Cuomo:] So the message to those out there who care about this is, don't forget because there's still somebody who is being held, and there may be a case going forward. Let me get your take quickly on what's going on in Nigeria with the U.S.. They're sending in intelligence people, personnel, and military personnel to neighboring Chad because they have a better relationship with them. Do you think this is the right move by the U.S. to get more involved in the situation going on there?
[Amanpour:] Well, I think the United States has to. It's already pledged to do so publicly. The president the first lady has been involved in this, bring back our girls campaign. And the world is truly outraged, and so are many in Africa. But let's not overblow what's going on. The U.S. and the rest of many many western countries, including China in some way, are trying to help. There's surveillance; there's overflights. The troops that have gone to Chad, the U.S., the Pentagon, said these are not actually ground troops of the type that are going to go rush into Nigeria with arms drawn. This is logistical support. These are ground support staff that will do security, that will do logistics, maintenance of the surveillance and other aircraft that are being used in the search over Nigeria.
[Cuomo:] All right, Christiane, thank you so much. We know that you bring attention to situations like this happening in Africa and every where else all the time. And right now there's a lot of focus on this one. So it'll be interesting to see what happens next. Thank you for being on the show as always. Michaela, over to you.
[Pereira:] All right, Chris, thanks so much. Thank to Christiane, as well. Let's talk about the hard time of General Motors; 29 recalls so far this year covering nearly 14 million vehicles. The once proud auto giant reeling from safety problems, eight figure fines and cover-up charges. In fact, since 2009 when G.M. filed for bankruptcy the company has recalled more cars than it actually sold. Wow. We bring in our chief business correspondent Christine Romans. And I got to tell you, we seem to be talking about new recalls all the time. What are we at now?
[Christine Romans, Cheif Business Correspondent:] Yeah, 29 recalls, separate recalls just this year. And you're right. They have now recalled more cars this year than they have made in the past five years is just mind boggling. They're recalling for a lot of different things though, everything from faulty tail lamp wiring to little clamps inside the fender to the really important recall, 2.6 million recalled because of a faulty ignition switch.
[Pereira:] Next question, why now? Why what's going on to just sort of cue all of these recalls all of a sudden?
[Romans:] It's a more aggressive, more pro-active
[G.m. Pereria:] The new
[G.m. Romans:] The new G.M., and here's why. Because it has been revealed that G.M. knew, the engineers knew about the ignition switch problem years before they issued a recall. There were 13 deaths linked to accidents with that ignition switch recall problem, and that is why the new CEO Mary Barra is now really pushing ahead and they're doing recalls. I would say, and most analysts say, more aggressively than they otherwise.
[Pereira:] Getting out ahead of the story.
[Romans:] Right.
[Pereira:] OK, so you hear recall as a consumer, it sets off all sorts of red flags. It makes one wonder are these cars as safe as other automakers?
[Romans:] So you're going to get one of these letters from the auto dealer. You're going to get a letter saying that this is a model that you need to recall, what to do, how to bring it back in. But mostly, these cars are safe. I mean, G.M. has a safety rating of 4.4 stars out of 5 for NHTSA. I mean, it's got four models on top the international you know, the insurance highway safety list. I mean, they've got a lot of safe cars. Some of these things are just technical problems, and in some cases they have led to accidents in the ignition switch case, but by and large, your car is probably still safe.
[Pereira:] Those two things are not going to line up with consumers though. Because if you're out shopping nor a car and vaguely remember a news story about a recall, even though the safety numbers are there, how do they get the message across?
[Romans:] If you want to buy a corvette, you're still going to buy a corvette.
[Pereira:] Good point.
[Romans:] If you want to buy a Terrain, you're still going to buy a Terrain. If you want to buy a Chevy Spark, you're still going to buy the Spark. Some of these cars I just mentioned are among the best highest rated models out there. So we haven't seen the sales decline yet. We've seen the company take a huge put a bunch of money aside to pay for what they're going to have to pay out eventually, but we haven't seen sales fall.
[Pereira:] This has got to take a toll on the business, and it's got to take a toll on its new G.M. Mary Barra who has been on the job a very short amount of time and this is what she's dealing with. Although she's sort of behind it because it's the new plan.
[Romans:] Look, she has done a pretty good job of getting two outside entities to do a big internal investigation. We're going to get the results of that next month. She has done these aggressive recalls. She's appeared before Congress. And she's getting high marks for how she's leading this company. And she keeps talking about the new G.M. and the new safety culture at G.M. even as there's a lot of criticism of the old safety culture. One thing to remember, though, she has been at the company 30 years, her entire career. So some people are saying she's doing a great job talking about the new G.M., but she's also part of the old
[G.m. Pereria:] Well, and talking about the old G.M., they've got to look at what was the cause of these mistakes, these safety issues. Was with it a culture? Was it oversight, lack of regulation? That's something they're going to be looking at.
[Romans:] Absolutely. Was it many years of record numbers of car production where safety took a backseat? What was it that caused that kind of a safety culture that now G.M. says it is changing.
[Pereira:] Rushing to get the production out, who knows. Christine, thanks for crunching down the numbers. You see it and you think, oh, no. Oh no. It's good to chat with you about it. Thanks so much. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, Mick, here are some of the stories to start your new day. The president promising to respond to the V.A. scandal, but how? How do we make good to promise to support our troops? Then a kidnapped woman found and freed after ten years and one daughter. We're going to talk to Elizabeth Smart about the case. And ahead of your holiday weekend, where is the beef? Why won't the government tell us which restaurants served tainted meat? Let's get after all of it right now.
[Barack Obama, U.s. President:] If these allegations prove to be true, it is dishonorable, disgraceful, and I will not tolerate it, period. UNIDENTIFIED MALE; Mr. President, we need urgency. We need you to roll up our sleeves and get into these hospitals.
[Unidentified Male:] 80 more service members on the ground set to aid in the hunt.
[Unidentified Female:] Searching for the girls operating an unmanned, unarmed predator drone.
[Unidentified Male:] They traced 11 illnesses in four states back to this ground beef coming out of Michigan. People who were exposed have already been exposed.
[Unidentified Female:] The girl reportedly telling police she ended up marrying and having a baby with her alleged kidnapper.
[Cuomo:] Good morning. Welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Thursday, May 22nd. Now 7:00 in the east. CNN has uncovered explosive new allegations against the V.A. health system in Phoenix. I hope you're paying attention to this story because we now have wounded veterans, American heroes, who saw combat in Iraq and Afghanistan forced to wait months for medical, care even though they were supposed to receive priority treatment. A doctor at the Phoenix V.A. makes these shocking revelations, and they make them to CNN's Drew Griffin. He's been cover this story from the start. Take a listen.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Correspondent:] You are telling me that our troops coming back from war, now separated from active service
[Unidentified Female:] Who should have priority for scheduling do not.
[Griffin:] who are coming to the Phoenix V.A. for follow-up care for war injuries
[Unidentified Female:] Correct.
[Griffin:] are being put on a waiting list and made to wait six to ten months?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, or longer.
[Cuomo:] President Obama is now promising someone will be held accountable. It doesn't look like it's going to be the V.A. secretary, at least for now. Eric Shinseki still has the job and the president's support. So what is he going to do? Because these allegations, while they're new, the problem are not. White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski has the latest. What do we know?
[Michelle Kosinski, White House Correspondent:] Hi Chris. Well, there's a lot going on, even today. Three top V.A. officials have been called to the Hill to meet with the House V.A. Committee. The White House's top advisor is at the Phoenix V.A. where of course this scandal broke. And now we have heard directly from President Obama using an angry voice saying people will be held accountable. He's not going to stand for these kinds of allegations. The thing is this administration, as well as the one before it, did stand it for years because the V.A. itself made it very clear that these things like scheduling issues and delays were ongoing problems. Also on the subject of accountability, the president didn't really get into how the V.A. secretary is being or will be held accountable even if only because this happened on his watch for years. Now, this has all prompted some strong words even from some Democratic lawmakers and the American Legion called the decision not to fire V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki unfortunate. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Michelle, thank you very much for that update. Let's discuss more with Congressman Jeff Miller, Republican chairman of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs, someone who has been focusing clearly very much on this issue. Mr. Chairman, it's great to see you. Thank you so much.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. Thanks so much for joining me. I'm Carol Costello. For all of the concerns over the partial government shutdown, many say the real test comes in about nine days. I'm talking about the debt ceiling, which is like the nation's credit card limit. Congress spends the money while the Treasury Department pays the bills. But Congress spends more than the country gets in, in tax revenues and that's why fights over raising the debt ceiling happen. The latest standoff catching the eyes of some of the biggest names on Wall Street who are urging Washington not to play politics here.
[Lloyd Blankfein, Ceo, Goldman Sachs:] There's precedent for a government shutdown. There's no precedent for default. We're the most important economy in the world. We're the reserve currency of the world. Payments have to go out to people. If money doesn't flow in, then money doesn't flow out. So we really haven't seen this before and I'm not anxious to be a part of the process that witnesses it.
[Jack Welch, Former Ceo, General Electric:] Both sides deserve a spanking for this. I mean the fact that they're not talking, haven't been talking for the last six months, it's terrible.
[Warren Buffett, Investor:] So a debt ceiling really doesn't make any sense. It makes absolutely no sense to let it be used as a lever for other things. I mean if you want to change laws on abortion or immigration or you name it, tax laws, whether, let that be a piece of legislation that people hammer out. But to tie it to something about whether you break the promises of the United States government to people all over the world, as well as its own citizens, just makes no sense. So it ought to be banned as a weapon. I mean it should be like it shouldn't be like nuclear bombs, I mean, basically, too horrible to use.
[Costello:] Too horrible to use. Joining me now, Christine Romans, host of CNN's "Your Money," and Donald Ratajczak, an economics professor at Georgia State University. Welcome to you both.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Anchor:] Hi, Carol.
[Costello:] Hi. So, Christine, I just want to start with this, because we heard what all of those high-powered brokered on Wall Street talked about, this would be catastrophic if Congress didn't raise the debt ceiling, yet we hear from some Republicans that this is nothing but scare tactics. And I'm going to read you a quote from Republican Congressman Ted Yoho. He said, "I think personally it would bring stability to the world markets since they would be assured that the United States had moved decisively to curb its debt." Does he have a point?
[Romans:] No. No. He doesn't have a point. I mean they think they're having some kind of intervention with the excess spending in Washington. That's something that's usually handled in a budget, not in a debit look, you say you and your husband are fighting about your household budget. You can't decide and he's spending more than you want him to or on things that you don't want him to. You don't then not pay your credit card bill because you can't decide on spending discipline in your own household. If you do that, your credit score will get dinged, your interest rates will go up and it will cause more financial havoc in your household. That's what this is. We have look, there some of the people, like Mr. Yoho, are talking about scare tactics. Let's not talk about scare tactics. Let's just talk about accounting. Simple accounting. There's $30 billion in the U.S. Treasury as of October 17th. Come November 1st, I'm looking at a whole bunch of payments that come out on the very same day. Let me show you what the Treasury Department, the checks they have to cut for Social Security, for Medicare, for payments for veterans. Look at on one day, Social Security supplemental income benefits, Carol. That's one day. There's not enough money in the bank to pay everything that's coming due. You hear people like Congressman Yoho and others talking about, you know, oh, well they'll just have to prioritize. You can't. There's not enough money that we finance the operations of the government. It would be instant austerity that many economists say could send us into a recession if they don't work this out.
[Costello:] OK. So, Donald, I'm just throw another thing, that we often hear, by you. Some Republican congressmen said that if you raise the debt ceiling, you'll add to the deficit. The deficit will become larger. Is that true?
[Donald Ratajczak, Economics Professor, Georgia State University:] Well, actually, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, we may find that our interest burdens go up, so our deficits may rise. That's one of the funny things about this, that we're arguing about controlling government spending, but creating a problem that could dramatically raise our interest costs for years to come.
[Costello:] So just to make this clear, because I think the debt ceiling is really hard for people to understand. So this is money that these are the bills we need to pay because Congress has already approved this spending. Am I right, Christine?
[Romans:] Yes, that's
[Costello:] Congress has already approved this, now they've got to pay the bills, right?
[Romans:] That's absolutely right. And here's the thing, they're using the debt ceiling. And, you know, this has happened before in the past where you use the debt ceiling to try to get other spending initiatives along the way. But the fact is, there's no budget. The problem is, there's no budget. The United States Congress has not passed a budget since 2009. The problem is not the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling is the symptom. The disease is the lack of a budget. And they're fighting on this over this thing that could send some very bad signals to the world. I mean, you know, China overnight, its foreign ministry, making some comments about how they hope the United States will raise the debt ceiling after all. You know, you talk about our foreign bankers, you know, the Chinese, the Japanese and, you know, lots of entities in the Caribbean Islands, but we are our biggest banker. The Social Security trust fund is invested in Treasury bonds. If we don't pay the interest on our Treasury bonds or we do just pay only the interest on our Treasury bonds but start to default on other obligations, like obligations to seniors, it sends a very destabilizing signal to the rest of the world.
[Costello:] OK. And so and it's not like we haven't grappled with this before. Remember just a couple of years ago Congress like grappled with raising the debt ceiling. And just the debate over that caused these things to happen. And we'll just review this. OK, in 2011, during the last debt ceiling fight, consumer confidence tumbled, the S&P; lost nearly 20 percent, small businesses cut back on hiring and our credit rating got cut for the first time ever. Why wouldn't Republicans think that would happen again if they didn't raise the debt ceiling? And they raised it the last time.
[Ratajczak:] Well, they did. And that didn't give us enough relief. In fact, prior to that battle, the U.S. Treasury had the lowest interest rate yields of all the major currencies in the world. Today it's the German Bund that has the lowest interest rates. We pay 0.8 percent higher than the Germans do. Now, remember, we paid lower two years ago. That alone adds almost $100 billion a year in interest payments.
[Costello:] So OK, so I'm getting the message from both of you, we shouldn't fool around with the debt ceiling, correct? Yes, Christine? Yes, Donald.
[Romans:] That's right.
[Ratajczak:] Yes.
[Romans:] You know, I understand the intervention. I understand trying to intervene in too much spending what they see is too much spending, but it could end up costing us more for this intervention than if we would just pass a budget.
[Costello:] All right, Christine Romans, Donald Ratajczak, thanks so much for to both of you for being with me this morning to talk about a very complicated topic. I appreciate it. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, sexual assault could happen to anybody. Now a new study suggests it's much more common among teenagers than you think. Up next, the surprising number of teens who say they committed an offense at a very early age.

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Anchor:] Divisions have deepened in some parts of Ukraine, and in today`s show we are starting with the unrest that`s causing it. This is CNN STUDENT NEWS. We`ve told you how Ukraine is the nation divided. Some people there want to be more closely associated with Europe, to Ukraine`s west. Others want closer ties with Russia, to Ukraine`s east. Protests by the pro-Europe side earlier this year led to the removal of Ukraine`s former president. But in several cities, there are no protests by the pro-Russia side. And yesterday, some demonstrators took over Ukrainian government buildings, raised Russian flags and said they wanted a new government. Ukraine`s current leaders blame Russia for this. They say Russia is stirring up these protests so it can annex more areas of Ukraine, like it did in a pro-Russian region of Crimea last month. Russia says Ukraine`s government is acting irresponsibly, that it should listen to its people and quit blaming Russia for its problems. A royal visit to the Southern Hemisphere. Britain`s Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, more commonly known as William and Kate, arrived in New Zealand yesterday. Along with their baby boy, Prince George, they`ll be spending three weeks in New Zealand and Australia. Because Princes William and George are second and third in line to the British throne, they need to beget special permission from the queen to travel on the same plane. And the excitement about their trip extends from their home in Britain to the nations it once ruled. New Zealand and Australia are now independent countries. But they are part of the commonwealth, linked to Britain by history, modern day cooperation and the symbolic monarchy, of which William, Kate and George are a part. A new island has popped up in the Pacific, south of Japan, and it`s made friends with an older one to form an even bigger chunk of land. Here`s the new guy busting through the ocean surface last year. It`s a volcano that appeared in November. It was basically a stone throw away from its neighbor. Another volcano that last erupted 40 years ago. Over the past few months, the new one spewed plenty of steam and ash and grew. It had reached out and touched the older one by late December, and today the combined island is now more than six tenths of a mile across. It`s pretty hot stuff, so you don`t want to move there. But the bigger it gets, the longer it will take to erode in the Pacific. So, as long as it`s growing on the Pacific ring of fire, it`s growing more likely to stay around. Time to take roll. And today we are calling out the Mount Rushmore state, the Hawk eye state and the tar hill state. In Sioux Falls South Dakota, we`ve got the Wolverines watching. Hello to everyone at William Middle School. In Lisbon, Iowa, it`s the lions who were stuck in CNN STUDENT NEWS. Great to be online at Lisbon High School. And in Pfufftown, North Carolina check out the radars. Good to see our friends at Reagan High School. April is autism awareness month in the U.S. The event aims to get people talking about the disorders to help the public better understand them. Autism rates continue to climb in America. It` believed to affect one in 68 children today. It was one in 88 children two years ago. Experts aren`t sure why rates are increasing, and they don`t know what causes autism. But children who have the disorders are generally affected in three certain areas: the use of language, their behavior or how they interact with other people. The extent of the disorders varies dramatically. One child with autism may be severely affected. Another symptoms may be more mild. And some children seem to outgrow some symptoms as they get older. So, each person with autism is unique. By the amount of food we throw away in the U.S. some estimates put that at 40 percent. You wouldn`t think millions of Americans are going hungry. They are. And one reason food`s wasted, is because many supermarkets won`t take imperfect-looking produce. Because many shoppers won`t buy it. Sarah Ramirez rescues some of that food, gives it to people in need and earns the title of CNN Hero.
[Sarah Ramirez, Cnn Hero:] Pixley is a small community located in the central park of California. We are in this agriculturally rich area, and yet people who live here and work here, are hungry, are impoverished. Some are working in the fields that feed the entire country. And then they don`t have the resources to support them and it`s heartbreaking. You can`t just watch that and not wonder if there`s something more that we could do.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you.
[Ramirez:] What we do is we clean mostly from backyards. Today, we are looking at a glean of about 6400 pounds. And that`s incredible. My husband and I grew up in Pixley. My parents, they worked in the fields. I had family members who died at very young ages due to chronic diseases like diabetes. [on camera]: And those of you that are high school students. [voice over]: Looking at these issues of poverty and obesity, we were trying to figure out how do we provide our resources for our community and our home. We also have a component in our garden that`s a you pick area. If your household needs some fruits and vegetables. We really try to teach how to use what we are growing. [on camera]: Peach and cucumber.
[Unidentified Female:] Wow.
[Ramirez:] I want to grow old, and I want to grow old in the healthy way, and I want that for everybody. [on camera]: Thank you!
[Unidentified Female:] See if you can I.D. me. I`m a year in the late 20th century, Bill Clinton was the U.S. president and John Paul II was the pope. There`s no World Series due to a strike in Major League Baseball. And Dallas won the Super Bowl. And Arkansas won the NCAA men`s basketball championship. I`m 1994. Also, the year that "Friends: debut on
[Tv. Azuz:] Of course, it`s hard to imagine what your life will be like 20 years from now. But the teams you are now following, the shows you`re watching. Maybe even a new story you`ve seen, we`ll all be part of your history in 2034. What would you tell your future self in a letter? A teacher in Canada is making sure his students get a look back at themselves from themselves.
[Unidentified Female:] Last week, a trip to the mail box was a trip back in time for Scott Fulton. Back to 1994 when he wrote a letter to his future self.
[Scott Fulton:] November 30, 1994. Dear Scott myself. Hey, how are you? I`m fine. Do you remember why are you getting this letter?
[Unidentified Female:] It was an assignment from his grade nine English teacher Bruce Farrow.
[Unidentified Male:] This one I wasn`t allowed to read. Confidential.
[Unidentified Female:] He started it back in 1961. The assignment write a ten page letter to your future self.
[Bruce Farrer, Retired Teacher:] The motivation to write it look at where you are going and decide OK, what is it I want to do with myself? And so, they would write about where they wanted to end up. Then, 20 years later, Farrer tracks down his former students. Over the years, he`s mailed out more than 1000 letters. Fulton is humbled by Mr. Farrer`s dedication and the expectations of his 14-year old self.
[Fulton:] So, anyway, are you married? To whom? I`ve always wondered if would get married to someone that I already know or someone I`ll meet later on in life. Not married. So, I`m assuming you have some children right now? No. Did you find anything really surprising in your life, that you.
[Unidentified Female:] On this day, teacher and student reunite. And even though Fulton didn`t imagine it, he is now a teacher, too. And he just gave this same assignment to his students.
[Fulton:] Yeah, I have no regrets on my life so far for my vantage point, and if I was to, you know, talk to my 14-year old self, I think I think we`d high five one another.
[Farrer:] Gwen Oh, I remember, her.
[Unidentified Female:] As for Mr. Farrer, he`s been retired for 12 years, but he`s still fulfilling his promise. And that`s not an easy assignment.
[Unidentified Male:] 20-26. That`s when he`ll mail his last letter.
[Azuz:] It`s a fight, a brawl, a mob scene, where no one gets hurt. And while some people get into it more than others, everyone gets pelted with pillows. It`s International Pillow Fight Day. When you take the place, you lay your head to smack the head of someone else. Why? Well, why not. It`s a harmless way to express frustration from a sleepless night, and if Kong Fu pillow fighting gets you tired, you`ll have a soft place to land in hand. With that many people, there is no way you`ll get pillow only. These events stuffed with participants. It`s simply cut ton of them. Everyone`s down went down. Everyone`s on the case, even if they all get batten. Birds of a feather fight together. All right, that`s enough fluff. We`ll bring you more hard and maybe some news on Wednesday. END

[Paul:] Really difficult morning today for the family of vice president, Joe Biden. His 46-year-old son, Beau, passed away yesterday following a battle with brain cancer. And in a statement Biden called his son, "The finest man any of us have ever known." Joe Johns takes a look back at the life of Beau Biden.
[Beau Biden, Joe Biden's Son:] Good evening. I'm Beau Biden and Joe Biden is my dad.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] Beau Biden was the eldest son of Vice President Joe Biden but also a public servant in his own right. A federal prosecutor in the late 1990s and Delaware's attorney general for eight years, leaving office just this past January. Born in Wilmington in 1969, his childhood was marred by a tragic car accident.
[Beau Biden:] My mom took us to go buy a Christmas tree. On the way home, we were in an automobile accident. My mom, Neilia, and my sister, Naomi, were killed. My brother Hunter and I were seriously injured and hospitalized for weeks. I was just short of 4 years old. One of my earliest memories was being in that hospital, my dad always at our side.
[Johns:] Beau Biden and his father would remain close, even as the elder Biden became vice president.
[Beau Biden:] I went out Saturday night with might have wife to a family a parentteacher kind of thing on Saturday night and my mom and dad babysit. They babysit the weekend before.
[Johns:] As Delaware's A.G., Beau Biden took a special focus on prosecuting crimes against children and took his talent for the law into the military, serving for a year in Iraq as part of the judge advocate general corps.
[Joseph Biden, Vice President Of The United States:] Today, I come as you prepare to deploy as a father, a father who got some sage advice from his son this morning dad, keep it short, we are in formation.
[Johns:] Biden had announced his intention to run for governor in Delaware in 2016, but has had recurring health problems, suffering a mild stroke in 2010, and admitted in 2013 to a Houston cancer hospital for a brain lesion.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Correspondent:] Vice President Joe Biden's son, Beau Biden, was evaluated at a hospital. This is after what is being called an episode of disorientation and weakness.
[Johns:] Biden, 46, leaves a wife and two children.
[Paul:] President Obama had this to say about Beau Biden. "For all that Beau Biden achieved in his life, nothing made him prouder, nothing made him happier, nothing claimed a fuller focus of his love and devotion than his family. Just like his dad."
[Blackwell:] Changing gears now, but staying in Washington. Some in the Capitol are deeply concerned about over China's escalated effort to reclaim territory in the disputed South China Sea. But the U.S. is refusing to recognize China's claims there. U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter had stern words for China on Saturday. He called for an immediate and lasting halt to China's land reclamation in the sea.
[Ash Carter, Secretary Of Defense:] There should be no mistake, United States will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as U.S. forces do all over the world. America, alongside its allies and partners in the regional architecture, will not be deterred from exercising these rights, the rights of all nations. After all, turning an underwater rock into an airfield simply does not afford the rights of sovereignty or permit restrictions in international air or maritime transit.
[Blackwell:] Secretary of Defense Ash Carter. China has recently ramped its construction in the Spratly Islands there, raising concerns that it's trying to militarize the area.
[Paul:] Well, the Guantanamo five prisoners swapped for American Bowe Bergdahl may be traveling today. We're talking about men who had ties to al Qaeda, even directly associated with Osama bin Laden. Authorities in the U.S. and Qatar are scrambling try to prevent this from happening. The latest in just a moment.

[Costello:] Oh let's talk a little college basketball now because the championship tips off tonight in Arlington, Texas. Can you believe who's vying for the title? No one can. The number seven seeded UConn Huskies will take on the number eight seeded Kentucky Wildcats. Both teams were absent from last year's tournament. UConn was banned for poor academic performance and Kentucky simply did not make the cut. My bracket's dead, Andy Scholes.
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] You know I bet it is Carol along with everyone else. You know no one could have predicted this game. You didn't, I didn't. And the only people that had this in their bracket are probably those that went to UConn or Kentucky or they still go there right now. Because these two teams have just been on incredible runs over the last two weeks and the whole season has been quite a journey for the young Kentucky Wildcats. They're the season number one team in the country after bringing in arguably the best freshman class ever. Fans were so confident before the season that they wearing 40-0 T- shirts. But the team went through plenty of growing pains they dropped out of the top 25 right before the tournament. But over the last two weeks the super-freshmen, led by the Harrison twins they've really grown up. They're playing better than ever, that's why even though they're in eighth seed, they're favored to win tonight's game. But if there's one thing we have learned, you can't count out the UConn Huskies, they have pulled off four straight upsets to get to tonight's championship game. UConn, they don't have the superior talent like Kentucky but their coach Kevin Ollie has them believing that they are the best team in the country.
[Unidentified Male:] We have a lot of heart and a lot of will. And coach always told us that this is a special team and he's been saying it all year, he said it all last year, this is a special team and we really believe that.
[Kevin Ollie, Coach, Uconn Huskies:] They're made for this championship game. Hopefully Connecticut is on that big billboard at the jumbotron, whatever Jerry Jones called it, it's says we're national champions and that's all we want.
[Scholes:] One Kentucky fan actually saw this run by the Wildcats coming all along. Tyler Austin Black got a tattoo back in arch that said "2014 National Champions". People called him crazy back then. But now, Carol, he's one win away from looking like a genius. He'll be here at the stadium tonight to watch the game in person. Tipoff between UConn and Kentucky tonight, it's a late one, 9:00 to 10:00 Eastern. So if you woke up early this morning, you might want to mix in a nap sometime this afternoon, so you can stay up late and watch the game. It should be another great one.
[Costello:] Come on, Andy, make a prediction. Come on.
[Scholes:] I'm going with the young kids, Kentucky. I think they win. They're the favorites and they've just been on a role. They have got seven McDonald's all Americans that's like the most ever for a team Carol. So we'll see if the youth can win out tonight.
[Costello:] OK. So I'll take UConn just to be cantankerous. Andy Scholes thanks so much. The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts now.

[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn:] All you parents out there, I promise you, you're not going to be able to turn away from our feature story today. You know, it's just been three weeks since the latest school shooting in this country. That was in Marysville, Washington. In less than a month, we'll be marking the somber anniversary of Sandy Hook. In just a few minutes, I'm going to tell you the story of the young man whose parents called the police about him. They were worried his mental illness may drive him to hurt somebody. But what happened next will either make you more confident in our system or it will break your heart. Will you consider him a prisoner or a patient? But first, a tiny Massachusetts town is weighing a ban that would make it the first in the country to completely outlaw tobacco sales of any kind. Now, residents on both sides of this issue well, let's just they're pretty fired up. In fact, the public hearing Wednesday night in Westminster was really over before it began. Here's John Atwater of our affiliate WCVB.
[Unidentified Female:] All right. This hearing is closed.
[John Atwater, Wcvb:] Within minutes of starting
[Unidentified Male:] Read it now!
[Atwater:] The board of health lost control of the enraged crowd. Police stepped in to control passionate protesters and escort board members to their cars.
[Unidentified Male:] You people make me sick.
[Atwater:] The abruptly adjourned public hearing drew heated, pointed criticism of a proposal to ban tobacco sales at stores in town.
[Unidentified Male:] This meeting with all these cameras here is a mockery of this town in front of the United States of America.
[Atwater:] Westminster has found itself in the national spotlight. The first town in the country that is one vote away from taking an unprecedented position on tobacco.
[Brian Vincent, Owner, Vincent's Country Store:] About 21 years in the family.
[Atwater:] For Brian Vincent who runs the store in the town, the proposed ban could sink sales.
[Vincent:] It's not a $10 pack, that's total $30 sale.
[Andrea Crete, Chairwoman, Westminster Board Of Health:] Our main focus on developing these regulations is the children in our community.
[Atwater:] The three-member board of health says is trying to keep kids from new, sweeter tobacco products.
[Unidentified Male:] Three people should not dictate a town of 7,000.
[Atwater:] But nearly everyone in this town feels a ban would limit their freedom.
[Crowd:] God bless America
[Atwater:] And they used a patriotic song to loudly proclaim their position.
[Unidentified Male:] When you start taking people's rights away to consume legal products, they're going to get fired up.
[Gupta:] You've never seen anything quite like. You might remember, earlier this year, CVS drugstores stopped selling tobacco in their stores as well. It was controversial, maybe not as much as Westminster. But I'll tell you, some people say, you know, this whole thing hasn't gone far enough. I mean, some people say, what about candy? Junk food? Sugary drinks? It's a fair point. But, you know, unlike food, tobacco has absolutely no redeeming qualities. None. No calories, no nutrition, nothing. What we do know it's associated with nearly half a million deaths per year in the United States and smokers on average live 10 years less. It was just 50 years ago, the surgeon general made the firm connection between smoking and cancer.
[Unidentified Male:] Make your own 30-day Camel mildest test in your t- zone.
[Gupta:] During smoking's hay day back in the 1940s and '50s, ads like this were common place.
[Unidentified Male:] What cigarette do you smoke, doctor? In this nationwide survey of general practitioners, surgeons, specialists, diagnosticians and so on, the brand named most was Camel.
[Gupta:] By 1950, American adults were smoking 4,000 cigarettes for every person every year. But in 1952, "Reader's Digest", then the country's most popular magazine, published a two-page article, "Cancer by the Carton". It was the first time a mainstream publication like this connected smoking to cancer. In 1955, the Federal Trade Commission forbade company from making positive health claims about cigarettes, blocking ads like this from Phillip Morris, scientifically proved, less irritating to the smoker's nose and throat.
[Unidentified Male:] The Federal Trade Commission and "Reader's Digest" have done you a favor.
[Gupta:] It's the moment that helped to launch fictional ad wiz, Don Draper, on ANC's "Mad Men."
[Unidentified Male:] We say anything we want. How do you make your cigarettes? We breed insect repellant tobacco seeds, plant them in the North Carolina sunshine, grow it, cut it, cure it, toast it. There you go. There you go. But everybody else's tobacco is toasted? No, everybody else's tobacco is poisonous, Lucky Strike's is toasted.
[Gupta:] In fact that was an actual Lucky Strikes slogan in real life. But evidence of harm became overwhelming. On January 11th, 1964, Dr. Luther Kerry issued the very first surgeon general's report.
[Unidentified Male:] The strongest relationship between cigarette smoking and health was in the field of lung cancer
[Gupta:] A strong relationship, just how strong? He reported a 70 percent increase in mortality for smokers, heavy smokers at least 20 times more likely to develop lung cancer than nonsmokers. The first warning on the pack in 1966 was a milestone, but also a major understatement. Cigarette smoking may be hazardous to your health. Today, it gets right to the point. It causes lung cancer, heart disease and more. Lastly, something I always like to tell people who are thinking about quitting, that is, you don't have to wait years to see the benefits. In fact, just 20 minutes after your last cigarette, your heart rate, your blood pressures starts to drop. In 24 hours, your heart disease risk actually goes down. Two weeks later, your lung function improves and you'll feel better. After five years, your cancer risk declines. In fact, at 20 years, according to studies, your overall risk is comparable to a non-smoker. So, it's a good idea to quit. Need some tools and tips, you can get them at smokefree.gov. Now, coming up, as promised, putting an end to mass shooting. What does that mean in this country? Our year-long investigation into the mind of a troubled young man incarcerated for a crime police say he was plotting but he says he wasn't really going to commit.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Our breaking news this morning, silence over Gaza. A three-day humanitarian truce between Hamas and Israel has now begun. But will both sides hold up their end of the deal and what happens when the weekend is over? We are live in Jerusalem with the latest.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Ebola patients coming to the United States for the first time. Two Americans infected with the virus set to board a plane from Africa to head home. What are the risks here? We are live with the story.
[Romans:] Happening now, investigators returning to the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, set to reclaim dozens of victims' bodies. But it's a dangerous journey ahead of them. We are live in Ukraine with the latest this morning. Welcome back to EARLY START, everybody. I'm Christine Romans.
[Berman:] I'm John Berman. Great to see you this Friday, 30 minutes past the hour. We want to welcome all of our viewers here in the United States and around the world. And up first, the sound of airstrikes and rocket fire replaced by silence in Gaza. We're now three and half hours into a 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire brokered by the United Nations and the United States. And so far it appears to be holding. This is a much needed pause after the bloody 24-day conflict between Israel and Hamas. Our Saima Mohsin live from Jerusalem this morning with the latest on the ceasefire. Three and a half hours so far Saima.
[Saima Mohsin, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, John, and the very fact that we are counting the ceasefire hour-by-hour just shows you quite how delicate in nature it is. You know, we've had ceasefires before in the past three weeks. They've been broken. The longest 12 hours. And so people are starting to come out in Gaza but with huge trepidation. You know, they're worried that there still might be fighting. The ceasefire might be broken. They are coming out slowly, but surely. And while we talk of humanitarian ceasefire, we talk of silence in Gaza, it's a tough time for people there. They have been trapped there. Many of them in shelters. Many of them unable to get to their homes. They are going to be trying to pick through the wreckage to see what's left of their belongings, find their loved ones, locate many that they haven't been able to get in touch with. And then of course as Secretary of State John Kerry puts it, get back to trying to get to vital functions like food, water, electricity as well. There's going to be a lot of repairs going on as well then John.
[Berman:] And what's interesting about this pause, Saima, is that it's also a chance to talk in Cairo, not Israel speaking to Hamas directly, but each speaking through intermediaries. And perhaps these discussions might lead to something more permanent.
[Mohsin:] Yes. Absolutely. Not just a huge relief and deep sighs as far as the humanitarian is quite concern, but all the politics, back channel negotiations that have been going on over the last few weeks now coming to the fore, some kind of fruition spearheaded by the United States, the United Nations and of course intermediaries in Cairo. We understand that a delegation from Gaza is now on its way to Cairo already. That constitutes Hamas, Islamic jihad. They PLO and Fatah as well. So that's such a big conglomerate of people that all represents the Palestinian side of things. We're not quite sure who is going to represent the Israeli delegation, but there is a delegation that is planning to head to Cairo. Not just yet there, though, as far as we understand. They are still waiting and watching and seeing how this ceasefire goes. But, as you say, a major breakthrough that they are willing to talk. Of course Hamas was refusing to stop the ceasefire, John, because they've said that it would not stop firing rockets until Israel ended its blockade of Gaza. Of course they seem to now have shifted as far as that caveat is concerned. On the Israeli side, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying look, we are willing for a cease in fighting, but we will not stop ceasefire or no ceasefire, we will not stop bringing an end to these tunnels that we believe pose a threat to Israel John.
[Berman:] Our Saima Mohsin in Jerusalem. We will continue to count these hours and hope it remains quiet.
[Romans:] All right. Two Americans infected by the Ebola virus are being brought home to the United States. You're looking at exclusive CNN video of a federal jet equipped with an isolation pod. It's leaving Cartersville, Georgia. Last night, it left for Liberia. It will be transporting Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol. Both patients said to be gravely ill this morning. I want to bring in David McKenzie live from Johannesburg. This is quite an operation. A federal jet on its way to Liberia with this isolation pod to bring these two Americans home. What can you tell us?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Christine, it's certainly unprecedented for this level of operation with this kind of medical risk and the medical care that needs to be taken. There might have been other people who wanted to get out but certainly evacuation companies assume that they would not get the clearance to do it. So this would have required very high-level involvement for that federal jet which is especially equipped to contain the two Americans who are suffering from the dreaded Ebola virus. Now we don't know exactly where that plane is. We don't know when it will arrive and it's not guaranteed, of course, that it will leave Liberia and head back to Emory University Hospital. But one can assume that several layers of discussions and clearance have happened already. The situation on the ground, though, is dire. It has been described as out of control. Three countries affected by this virus. It is spread from Guinea into Sierra Leone and into Liberia, and at least one confirmed case in Nigeria, which has Africa's biggest population for a country. So very worrying times, indeed. And the people who are trying to come back say they're very much underfunded and underequipped Christine.
[Romans:] Underfunded, underequipped to something that is the worst outbreak of Ebola we have ever seen. David McKenzie, thank you.
[Berman:] There could be as many as 80 bodies still lying in the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. A team of investigators finally reaching the crash site in eastern Ukraine Thursday. They report seeing human remains and personal belongings still scattered across the debris field. This is two weeks after this plane was shot down. And they are returning to the site today.
[Michael Bociurkiw, Osce Monitor:] As we were leaving the site, you know, we had pretty much bombs raining down upon us. So it's very, very tricky. We are hoping that our kind of again, our custom made ceasefire that gives us the type of protective cocoon, if you will, will endear and allow us to do that movement in and out for as many hours and days as is required.
[Berman:] We want to get the latest now from Kellie Morgan who's live in Kiev this morning. And Kellie, there are reports from coming in just minutes ago that there is fresh violence not far from the crash site.
[Kellie Morgan, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, we have heard in the last 24 hours that there hasn't been a cessation in military activity around the site of the MH-17 crash site. One of the most disturbing instance was a Ukrainian convoy was ambushed. That's according to the anti- terrorism group here in Ukraine. It's unclear how many bodies were actually killed in that attack. It was overnight or late yesterday. But this particular battle unfolded just 23 kilometers from the crash scene. So that's three kilometers outside this agreed ceasefire. So it is a deeply unstable situation. Still the Ukraine military has been regaining rebel controlled territory over recent days and weeks and they wanted to capitalize off that momentum. So there are still battles happening in the region of that crash site. Now we have just heard that the OSCE and the team of international investigators have arrived at the crash site for a second time. They have arrived two and half hours earlier than they did yesterday and they will be looking to do just limited searches again today. This still is not a full blown operation that they're able to carry out there yet. It is day by day, they are assessing the security there on the ground. They could really need to be out there for weeks to carry out the investigations that they need. But the priority will be to bring home any remains that are still have not been recovered from that site.
[Berman:] And of course stay safe in the process. And that may be a complicating factor. Kellie, thanks for being there for us. Appreciate it.
[Romans:] Republican leaders in the House in a standoff with some Tea Party supporters on immigration reform. The leadership postponed the House's August recess in an effort to salvage a bill to address the border crisis. A Thursday vote was canceled after opposition from Tea Party supporters prevented the vote count needed for passage. The measure called for $659 million, a far cry from the president's nearly $4 billion request.
[Rep. Spencer Bachus , Alabama:] If we don't pass a bill, the president will do what he needs to do. The president would like to see us lead.
[Unidentified Reporter:] What changes tomorrow, though, that was there that wasn't there today?
[Bachus:] I hope some people grow up.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Like?
[Bachus:] Oh, I'm not going to name names, they are my colleagues.
[Romans:] The Senate ran into its own trouble, a procedural vote killing its $2.7 billion bill. Meantime, towns along the Texas border, they're waiting now for National Guard troops to arrive. Up to 1,000 troops are being deployed by Governor Rick Perry.
[Berman:] The legislation to overhaul the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs is now ready for the president's signature. The Senate on Thursday gave final congressional approval to the $16 billion measure. It will address long wait times for veterans seeking treatment at VA health care facilities. It will also allow access greater access to private care.
[Romans:] A stunning admission from the CIA which says officers spied on Senate investigators who were preparing a report on the agency's controversial post-911 detention and their interrogation program. An internal report found they inappropriately accessed computers used by the Senate Intelligence Committee. The CIA director, John Brennan, apologized to committee leaders for the agency's improper conduct. Brennan's admission comes after months of public denials and Senators
[Berman:] Not the last we're going to hear of this at all. A chilling audio tape of former President Bill Clinton surfacing on Australian TV. It is said to be the former president on the day before September 11, 2001 talking about having passed on a chance to kill Osama bin Laden. Speaking to a group of business leaders in Melbourne on September 10th, 2001, the former president says he didn't strike bin Laden in Afghanistan because of concerns about civilian deaths in Kandahar. Time now for an EARLY START on your money. And when it comes to your money, people are still talking about the stock market's huge drop yesterday.
[Romans:] Yesterday, huge drop. You know, the Dow erased all of the gains for the year. You're not flat on the year. All those gains gone. 317 points yesterday, the Dow fell. That's about 2 percent. A 2 percent move is a big move. The S&P 500, the Nasdaq, also 2 percent lower, also giving back all the gains they made in July. Right now, at this moment, European and Asian stocks, they are down. They are following the lead from the U.S. And futures here pointing a little bit lower right now, too. You know, all of this is ahead of an 8:30 a.m. release of the July jobs report. That's the most important economic indicator we get. That comes out in a little less than four hours. That could change the direction of everything this morning. Super important there. A stock that's climbing, LinkedIn. Those shares are up 7 percent right now in the premarket. The professional networking site, its revenue rose 47 percent compared to a year ago. Social media sites have had a strong quarter, Facebook, Twitter both wowed investors. And like Twitter, LinkedIn stock is up, but it doesn't make money. It doesn't make any money.
[Berman:] It doesn't make any money.
[Romans:] Put that in the back of your mind for now because investors were happy with that revenue, though.
[Berman:] At some point these companies have to make money.
[Romans:] At some point you do. That's right. But also investors are very, very forgiving when they think something is going to be a real darling.
[Berman:] Forty-two minutes after the hour right now. Dozens dead, hundreds injured when gas lines explode underground. We have a terrifying new video just ahead.
[Romans:] Plus is Obamacare in trouble? The new case the Supreme Court could be taking on, next.

[Blitzer:] We have some breaking news now on ISIS and its recruitment right here in the United States. Our justice correspondent, Evan Perez, is joining us. What are you learning?
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Wolf, we have had a fourth member of this ISIS recruitment group that was that was arrested in Brooklyn in February. They've now added a fourth member to this group. His name is Dilkhayot Kasimov. This is a group of Uzbek and Kazakhs who were arrested in Brooklyn, Wolf, with the intent to travel to Syria and also helping fundraise for the recruitment of people to travel to Syria to join ISIS. The prosecutors, federal prosecutors say that this group falsified travel documents. They basically said that they were going to Syria for vacation. And instead, they were going to join ISIS. And so now, they've added a fourth member to this indictment.
[Blitzer:] You're also getting new information about those two women in New York City who were arrested last week seeking to build some sort of explosive device. What are you learning?
[Perez:] That's right, Wolf. Well, one of them, the husband did an interview with New York One over the weekend. In it, he accuses the federal government of framing his wife and says this was all something that she was being led into by the FBI. And I've got to tell you, you know, we see these indictments now almost daily. We've been covering these stories here on THE SITUATION ROOM. And the criticism is growing against the FBI for doing some of these sting operations. Now, in their defense, the FBI says that if they don't do this and one of these people carries out an attack it will be on them for not stopping these. And they believe that this is the only way because even unsophisticated people can kill people with carrying out attacks. We saw what happened in the last two days in Kenya where, you know, people with not a lot of money can carry out deadly, deadly terrorist attacks.
[Blitzer:] There was shocking news coming out of Britain. But a 14- year-old and a 16-year-old picked up for suspected terror activities?
[Perez:] Right, exactly. And the British authorities have not said exactly what those activities were going to be. But they said they picked them up over the weekend. Now, this is in Manchester, which has also been the scene of several other ISIS young people who are trying to travel overseas to join ISIS, Wolf. So this has been the center of recruitment in Britain, which reports up to about 2,000 people who have tried to travel to Syria and Iraq to join with these terrorist groups.
[Blitzer:] Evan, stand by for a moment. I want to bring in our panel: our national security analyst, Fran Townsend; our national security analyst, Peter Bergen; CNN military analyst retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling; and our counterterrorism analyst Philip Mudd. He, by the way, is the author of an important brand-new book just coming out this week, entitled "The Head Game." There you see the cover right there. Phil, let's talk a little bit about these two British teens, a 14- year-old and a 16-year-old, presumably wanting to go support fight for ISIS. What's causing these teens to join a terror group, allegedly, like this?
[Philip Mudd, Cnn Counterterrorism Analyst:] I think naivete. Look, it's almost like we're in the third stage of this war, Wolf. We started with the core of al Qaeda, the guys who were the architects of 911. Ideologues for the movement. We move to the homegrowns starting in, I would say, 2007, 2008, 2009. People who are not al Qaeda members, maybe even not ideologues, but people who are emotionally driven to go to a place like Iraq. Now we have naive 14-year-olds who say, "Hey, I've been told by somebody that if I want to go live a perfect life, there's a place I can go." One comment on this, Wolf. It's an interesting debate. The Brits in some of these cases, the Brits have said and they have a lot more cases than we do that they will not charge people this young. I think there's an interesting question for the White House and the Department of Justice. If you get a 14-year-old, my judgment is the Department of Justice should be coming out saying, those individuals would not be charged, not just because we're soft and fuzzy but because you want a message to families that says, "If your kid is in trouble, don't worry. Call us. There won't be a federal charge."
[Blitzer:] And we see these young women also arrested and charged in New York, Fran Townsend. The surveillance that's going on, now you're hearing from the defense lawyers, entrapment by the FBI. What do you make of this?
[Fran Townsend, Cnn National Security Analyst:] You know, Wolf, we hear this whenever there's a sting operation. And first of all, if you just stick with kind of the pure facts and numbers, the FBI has gotten quite sophisticated with these sting operations. They have they're getting legal advice very early on in the investigation. The lawyers who are with them step by step about what they can and cannot say. And by and large, these cases are upheld when they get a conviction, like in the 90th percentile. And so it's very rare it's frequent that the defense lawyers make this allegation, rare that they actually win it with a defense in court.
[Blitzer:] Are we seeing more of these arrests now because more activity is going on? Or more young people simply want to join forces with the terror organization?
[Perez:] Well, I think what's happened is that once you saw ISIS came on the scene, the FBI started doing investigations. They saw a lot of people going online to learn more about them. The full investigation sometimes takes a year, a year and a half to get to this point. And you know, a lot of them never get to this point. Because people change their minds or, you know, they like Phil was talking about, you know, parents intervene. And that's what I think the Justice Department hopes happens. By doing these arrests, they can dissuade more of these young people from doing this.
[Blitzer:] How hard and Peter, you study terrorists all the times is it to track these young people? They may be thinking of doing something. They may be online, social media saying nice things about ISIS. And then somebody from the FBI comes in and starts talking to them, pretending to be an ISIS supporter. What happens then?
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, according to FBI officials I've talked to, I mean, social media is a great boon. I mean, there's a disadvantage that it's recruiting people. But it's perfectly legal for the FBI to monitor Twitter and Facebook. And these are kids, and they seem to not understand that what they're doing is very public. So I think most of these cases are actually emerging out of social media postings. Not all of them but most of them.
[Blitzer:] How worried should U.S. officials be right now, General Hertling, that so many of the U.S. counterterrorism capabilities in Yemen have disappeared with the collapse of the regime there; the U.S. leaving its embassy, abandoning the embassy, all U.S. military personnel out? What's going on over there, that this is the home of AQAP, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which has a lot of capabilities. They're making no secret of their desire to strike the U.S. homeland.
[Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling , Cnn Military Analyst:] It's a combination of two things, Wolf. First of all, you do have the lack of capability now because of the giving up of embassy and having all the forces drown out of there. But there's also the factor of having the civil war between the forces of the Houthis and the Hadi government is distracting both of them from going after AQAP itself. So they're in a free roaming condition right now. They can go around and cause a lot of damage without a whole lot of people paying attention to them. And you add to that the fact that we now have an economy of force in that region where we're putting the priority in helping the Saudi Arabians hit Houthi targets. And we've taken our eye off that ball, too.
[Blitzer:] Phil Mudd, the U.S. government has basically told hundreds if not several thousand Americans who are still stuck in Yemen right now that they're on their own. But now we're told that India has offered to help. They're sending some planes in once in a while. Do you expect other countries to join the effort? And why can't the U.S. send in a plane or two to try to get some American citizens out of there?
[Mudd:] Well, I think at some point when you warn people again and again in a civil in a civil war environment, they have the responsibility personally to leave. You know, I feel for these folks. But you can't sit there in Yemen and say, "Hey, I didn't know that something bad was coming down." When you're asking foreign governments, including the Indians, to help, which I think is one thing you have to consider. I hope they do. But every time you're go into that environment, if you're the Indians, the Saudis or somebody else, you're also putting your own forces, all of your special forces, at risk. That's asking a lot for a foreign government to say, "Hey, we don't want to get our own folks, but if you choose to put your forces at risk, we'd be happy to see that happen." I think we're going to see some tragedy here soon. It's not like we didn't have any warning.
[Blitzer:] We also saw, Fran, what al Shabaab did at that university in Kenya, slaughtering 147, mostly students, most Christians. They separated out the Muslims. They were also threatening to attack U.S.- Canadian shopping malls. Is this a serious threat based on what you know?
[Townsend:] Absolutely. And Wolf, it's not really new. You know, al- Shabaab has been under tremendous pressure. They lost a leader. There's another leader that's at the top of the wanted list. But these cross-border operations remember going back to the Westgate Mall. And so this has been an ongoing threat, particularly to our allies in Kenya. And I think you're going to continue to see it. I know that the White House is very focused. Sources are telling us that they've been meeting about this, that there's a target list in terms of the leadership of al-Shabaab that is continually updated. But I expect you're going to see the administration looking to put additional pressure and working with the Kenyans to put pressure on al Shabaab.
[Blitzer:] Peter, you want to respond to that?
[Bergen:] Sure. I mean, al Shabaab has been losing ground in Somalia quite a lot over the last several years. But they're certainly capable of doing what they did at this university, at Westgate Mall. That's quite within their capabilities going forward.
[Perez:] It cost no money. It costs no money and very little manpower to do it.
[Blitzer:] It's very limited what the U.S. can do right if, in fact, they're going to if they want to die in the process of doing something like that. But obviously, it's a great trick. Stand by. Just ahead, we're following other breaking news on the terrorist threats. New information about an angry dispute between two pilots in the cockpit only minutes before takeoff.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Welcome back to THE LEAD, live from beautiful, toasty Trenton, New Jersey. In our world lead, threats of terrorism hover over the Russian city of Sochi, just a little over two weeks away from the start of the Olympics there. Recent video posted on a well-known jihadi site show two young men taking the responsibility for two December suicide bombings in the Russian town of Volgograd. They make an ominous threat. Quote, "If you hold the Olympics, you'll get a present from us from the Muslim blood that's been spilled," the video said. U.S. law enforcement had been working with Russian officials in putting the emergency plans in place in case the evacuation of the U.S. citizens becomes necessary in the event of a terrorist attack. Two congressman on the House Homeland Security Committee are currently in Sochi right now examining Russian security protocol. I spoke today with one of them, Democratic Congressman Bill Keating, Democrat of Massachusetts. And Congressman William Keating joins me now from Sochi, Russia. Congressman, how capable do you believe the Russians are in tracking down these black widows and keeping the Olympics safe?
[Rep. William Keating , Massachusetts:] What is happening here is the greatest security effort ever implemented in the Olympics. There's 100,000 estimated law enforcement agents here, 40,000 police officers, 30,000 active military people. There are six different systems for military missiles guard
[Tapper:] Are you confident that the Russians have killed the black widow and other terrorist leaders that they say they have?
[Keating:] No, I think those insurgents are still tracked and still exist. I think that we learned a lesson in the United States with the Boston Marathon bombing where something that we never anticipated, terrorist activity with some linkages to the north caucuses will affect the U.S. on their homeland. Here, we're right next door. Here, we're in an area where the assimilation can be done more easily. But I'm must tell you, we've learned since we've been here how extraordinary the efforts have been. They have literally the Russians have gone in a way they could never do in the U.S., house to house through this area, knocking on doors and removing people that they think could be a problem. So they also do not have the constraints of human rights and civil rights that we have in the United States when they are doing these things.
[Tapper:] Congressman, the individuals whom Russian law enforcement is pursing, are these the kinds of people that Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev was talking to when he was in Dagestan?
[Keating:] He met with insurgents. He met with at some length he met with one person who was called a presenter or a recruiter, Mamoud Nidel. And, you know, he was, I think, exploring joining him. But you know, that's the process that
[Tapper:] All right, Congressman William Keating, Democrat from Massachusetts and a member of the House Homeland Security Committee, speaking to us from Sochi, Russia, thank you so much for your time, sir.
[Keating:] All right. Thank you, Jake.
[Tapper:] Coming up on THE LEAD, temperatures continue to drop drastically, something that my poor crew here can attest to as we stand here in Trenton, New Jersey. We'll get an update on this winter storm slamming the East Coast, next. Plus, new 2016 polls just released show Chris Christie has apparently taken a hit from the Bridgegate scandal. How far is Hillary Clinton ahead of him now in a hypothetical match-up?

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Jake, thanks very much. Happening now, Bluefin-21 making its final deep-sea scan of the targeted search area. Authorities now have a plan of action if it finds no trace of Flight 370.. As Russian forces start new military drills, Ukraine's leader is warning that Moscow wants to start, quote, "World War III." Can President Obama's threat of new sanctions get Russia to back off? Plus, hail, high winds and tornadoes. Violent storms threatening much of America's midsection and the south right now. We'll go live to our severe weather center. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. There are new details on the hunt for Flight 370, 50 days after it disappeared. Here are the latest developments. The Bluefin-21, the U.S. Navy's underwater drone, is now scanning the last 5 percent of its targeted area. If it can't find a trace of the airliner, authorities plan to expand the search zone and may bring in different technology. And angry Flight 370 families making a rare show of civil disobedience in tightly-controlled Beijing. They've marched through the city and they're staged a sit-in at Malaysia's embassy. They're demanding information. Our analysts are standing by here in THE SITUATION ROOM. Our correspondents are standing by around the world, bringing you the kind of coverage only CNN can deliver on the search for Flight 370, the worsening Ukraine crisis, and a threat of violent storms and tornadoes across much of the country's heartland. Let's begin with CNN's Miguel Marquez. He's got the very latest in Perth, Australia Miguel.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Hello there, Wolf. Clearly things are in transition here right now, Both the HMS Echo and the HMS Tireless, a submarine and a service ship, that had been participating in this search are now headed to port or in port. The Ocean Shield is continuing to search for that plane, but it says it is now searching areas adjacent to that most hoped-for area to find Flight 370.
[Marquez:] A new show of anger by Flight 370 families camped outside the Malaysian embassy in Beijing, chanting "tell the truth" and "stop lying." They're demanding face-to-face meetings with top Malaysian officials, something they say they'd been promised but repeatedly denied. Several thousand miles away, a source of their frustration, the Bluefin-21's scan of the most promising search area winds down, nearly two weeks later with nothing to show for it so far. If no leads turn up once the whole area is covered, coordinators now confirm that the underwater drone will scour stretches of the nearby ocean. The Bluefin has been combing deep waters, about six miles around the second ping that was detected, a possible signal from the jet's black boxes. No official word yet on what technology will be used next, but we learned today that the British Royal Navy's world submarine is out of the mix. It's no longer needed to hunt for pings now that the black-box batteries are believed to be dead. Australian and Malaysian authorities are holding urgent talks about the next phase of the operation.
[Najib Nazak, Malaysian Prime Minister:] This is totally unprecedented. What do we have going for us? What is the evidence? The evidence simply lie with the pings. The handshakes that we have analyzed. That's all we have.
[Marquez:] The Malaysian prime minister in an exclusive interview with CNN acknowledges the investigators haven't had much to go on, as they've tried to pinpoint any possible crash site. He's promising to release a preliminary report on the Flight 370 investigation next week, exactly seven weeks after the plane vanished. Many relatives of the 239 people on board are skeptical about everything they're being told.
[Sarah Bajc, Partner Of Mh-370 Passenger:] Actions speak louder than words. The briefings, both in Malaysia and in China, have been a joke.
[Marquez:] Now, what is not clear, Wolf, is whether or not they have any more math to go to, basically. The way that they picked up those pings and how they map where they are searching right now, where will they go next? Will they just continue to search around the edges? Will they go to the area of the first ping? Or will they reset this entire operation for a much broader search Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Miguel Marquez, from Perth with the very latest. We'll check back with you. Let's get now to the fallout from CNN's exclusive interview with Malaysia's prime minister. He sent out shock waves when he broke his silence on Flight 370. CNN's Richard Quest, who did the interview, is joining us once again, live from Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital. So what's been the reaction to this very important interview that you conducted, Richard?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] I think the fundamental view is the prime minister spoke, and about time, too. Everybody that I've spoken to said what he putting the best foot forward from and pointing out what Malaysia has actually done, not the myths of what the country hasn't done, and many here will say why didn't you put this into the international arena sooner? I think on the family's question, Wolf, there is still quite a lot of people who don't quite understand how this relationship has deteriorated so badly, so quickly. And those are those who simply say the families will never be satisfied and those who say actually what the families are asking for is legitimate, and Malaysia needs to step up to the plate.
[Blitzer:] Any indication they will be more forthcoming? You told us yesterday the prime minister told you that this preliminary report Malaysia has provided to the International Civil Aviation Organization, this international U.N. body, that that report would be made public. Are you getting any indication when it will be made public, what day?
[Quest:] No, I haven't. And I've asked several times, and obviously I've asked before then. And it will be impossible. Note the word. Impossible for the Malaysians not to release that report next week. Even if the committee looking at it decides the entire report has to be redacted except for one word, preliminary, and then report underneath it, they are going to have to release something next week. And then, Wolf, it becomes an issue of how the prime minister intends to enforce this transparency on perhaps other areas of government that do not see it in quite the same way. So the cargo manifest, the new passenger list, the maps, any other documents that they may have that would be of use to understanding. You cannot have a P.M. saying he's following a policy of transparency and then, at the first whiff of grapeshot, documents saying we can't let you have this, that or the other.
[Blitzer:] We'll stand by for that report next week. Richard, don't go away. I want to bring in our aviation analyst, the former NTSB managing director Peter Goelz; our law-enforcement analyst, the former FBI assistant director, Tom Fuentes; along with the retired U.S. Air Force lieutenant, Ken Christensen. He's a commercial pilot, certified aircraft crash investigator. So they're 50 days in now. They've not found, Peter, at least, not even an iota of the wreckage. Nothing of the wreckage. The initial search area, 95 percent done, 5 percent left to go. Presumably they won't find anything. Where do they go from here?
[Peter Goelz, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, they've got to keep searching. And it's terribly disappointing. I don't think it was unforeseen, but it's terribly disappointing. They should have set expectations lower. But they've got to keep searching. They've got to continue to look at each one of the pings and search around those. They made a big deal about those. Let's go check them out.
[Blitzer:] The aerial search, Ken, is that over for all practical purposes? They've spent 50 days flying around. They haven't seen anything significant, anything at all. Is it over for all practical purposes?
[Lt. Ken Christianson , Commercial Pilot/crash Investigator:] I would say at this point, Wolf, the aerial search is over. Any debris that would be from that wreckage would be thousands of miles away at this point.
[Blitzer:] Tom Fuentes, if you were in charge of this investigation, what would you do now?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Well, I think they're going to have to do, you know, what they've talked about, the regrouping of how they're going to expand the search, what kind of equipment they're going to use for it. But I would I find it interesting that the prime minister, when he mentions all they have to go on, is the Inmarsat satellite data, which is British-controlled data and the pings, which is American machines operated off of an Australian ship. He omitted any mention of Malaysian's defense radar or their civil aviation radar. And I think that that's a, you know, a critical part of it, especially as Richard mentions when they announce that they're going to they've released this preliminary report to the International Civil Aviation Organization but not to the families, not to the public. And they're waiting a week, creating a greater mystery, creating greater expectations for what I'm sure the report is going to have next to nothing useful in it.
[Blitzer:] Well, let's ask Richard Quest to react to that. Richard, you were the one who spent some quality time with the prime minister yesterday. What do you say about what Tom just said?
[Quest:] I think I've seen and I've spoken to people about the radar data. The radar data is so basic, and if you look at the picture, it is basically blips with a gap in the middle of it after it follows after it crosses across Malaysia and into the straits of Malacca. So to the extent that what Tom said is right. It doesn't actually add a row of beans, other than the fact that it was MH- 370, and it does take the plane into the Straits of Malacca and then onwards. But thereafter and this will be the difficult part, Wolf, if they do have to discount Inmarsat material, then you really do go back to and the P.M. basically says this, you do go back to 222, the last known data from the military radar. And if you're back at that level, well then I think we are really turning the lights off and going home, because you've got no idea where the plane goes after that.
[Blitzer:] Peter, here's a blunt question. They were some confident early on, several moments when they got those pings, those four pings from what they thought was one of these black boxes. They it all looked pretty good that they had honed down a huge area to a relatively tiny little area, but they found nothing. Is it possible that they're looking at the wrong place to begin with right now?
[Goelz:] Boy, that's hard to believe. I mean, they did the most complex mathematical analysis from the pings, from the handshakes. They believe they had the spot. They believed they had the spot. It's going to be tough. They're going to keep searching there but, boy, I think they were a little enthusiastic when they first announced the pings were heard.
[Blitzer:] Let me quickly go back to Richard Quest in Kuala Lumpur. Richard, in the interview you did with the prime minister, he acknowledged that there were shortcomings; he acknowledged that mistakes were made. Did he seem to you confident that this is going to be resolved any time soon?
[Quest:] No. Absolutely not. I think that anybody I mean, Peter will know this from his own investigations over the years. Tom will know this from his investigations. Any of us who have touched this and who have looked at these sorts of incidents will be well aware that the investigators are in this for the long haul. They hope for the best. They believe in maybe the worst, and they know that this is the hard drudgery of deep-water search. So I would say that anybody who is suggesting that this will it could happen today, Wolf. Let's be frank. It could happen today. But the reality is we're in this for the long haul, and anyone who says otherwise is either naive or a fool.
[Blitzer:] Quick question for you, Tom Fuentes. Our own Ted Rowlands, he did a little experiment. He dropped the cell phone into some water, similar properties in the Indian Ocean and, guess what? Videos, photos, once the phone was retrieved, they could go into that cell phone and get a lot of that information. So presumably a lot of those people on that plane, 239 people, they had cell phones, if they ever retrieved some of those phones, they'll be able to collect useful information. Don't you agree?
[Fuentes:] I agree, and I was amazed. I saw that piece conducted in my home town of Chicago, and I thought it was amazing that they were able to pull that motherboard or the chip out of the immersed cell phone and retrieve data off of it. So that I mean, that's a hopeful sign. Of course, now the question is, it was only in that salt water for a couple of weeks. What will happen if they don't find this plane for two years like the Air France plane, how much more damage will salt do to the phones that are hopefully retrieved if they're on the bodies.
[Blitzer:] Ken, does it shock you that 50 days into this investigation they have not found even a tiny little piece of that plane?
[Christiansen:] At first it surprised me that there was no wreckage, but that probably says that they were looking in the wrong area, and the currents there in that part of the world in the Indian Ocean are just so unpredictable, the debris field can disperse pretty rapidly. For a wide body airplane hitting the water, you would think that there would be more wreckage than what they found. I'm confident that the pings that are coming from the underwater locator beacon. They just have not expanded the area and find some wreckage.
[Blitzer:] Let's see if they do. All right, guys, hold on. We're going to continue our analysis of what's going on. But up next, distress beacons, which are supposed to start transmitting in case of a crash, they stayed silent when Flight 370 went down. Here's the question. Why? And Russian troops holding military exercises on the border with Ukraine. Ukraine's leader now saying Moscow wants to start World War III. We'll have the latest on the escalating tensions.

[Paul:] After years of being bullied by classmates Jewlyes Gutierrez, a transgendered teen from California, that's her on the left you see there, said she reached her breaking point. She physically went after her bullies, and the fight was caught on tape. And I just want to give you a warning here, it's rough to watch. You can make out the hair pulling. You see it there? Kicking. I know it's grainy cellphone video, but you get the gist of it. The school punished those girls, all four of them suspended, including Jewlyes. But that wasn't all. The district attorney is now charging her and only Jewlyes with battery. And he says he's just prosecuting a crime, others calling it discrimination. So joining us now via Skype from her home is is it Jewlyes or Jewlyes? I want to get it right here.
[Jewlyes Gutierrez, Transgendered Teen:] You got it right.
[Paul:] Jewlyes?
[Gutierrez:] Yes.
[Paul:] OK. Thank you so much. We're glad that you are with us. I just want to start out and be perfectly clear here. I understand, you did throw the first punch. Why? What led you to that?
[Gutierrez:] I can't talk about that because it's an open case, so my lawyer informs me to not talk about details.
[Paul:] OK. OK, getting away from maybe exactly what happened that day, let me ask you this. Were there things that were going on that led up to that prior to that day?
[Gutierrez:] Yes. They were taunting me, provoking me, and bullying me.
[Paul:] The girl that you fought with that day, and I understand you were bullied for at least two years, is this the same group of girls that you say taunted you for that whole two years or were there more?
[Gutierrez:] No, but they're like in that category, I guess.
[Paul:] How many people, I guess, do you feel have taunting you and bullied you?
[Gutierrez:] There's a lot more.
[Paul:] More than those four. More than the three. I know the D.A. is only charging you in that assault. Has he explained why to you? Do you believe it's because you're transgendered?
[Gutierrez:] I feel that the D.A. is being very conservative in keeping their ground. So I feel that they don't really like support people who are different.
[Paul:] So I want to let you know, CNN did reach out to district attorney Dan Cabral. He hasn't gotten back to us. But I want to play some sound for you of what he said about the charges against you. Here we go.
[Dan Cabral, Senior Deputy District Attorney:] There isn't a category of individuals who we do not prosecute. Words are never enough to justify fists. That's the law. If that wasn't done and we did not hold people accountable for their actions, where would we draw the line?
[Paul:] So what is your response to what he has to say?
[Gutierrez:] I was only protecting myself because I feel like I was getting provoked, harassed, and bullied to the point where I had a breaking point and I just snapped.
[Paul:] Did you go to the school with your complaints and did they do anything?
[Gutierrez:] My vice principal didn't do enough. She talked to the girls and had a conversation with them, but they didn't get any, like, sort of trouble. Like the a student goes to you to have a situation of gum spit in your face and you just have a conversation and you let her just go back to class, because I did it in a form of a way of protecting myself because she didn't, like, do enough.
[Paul:] What about everybody else? What has the response been to this whole fiasco for you, Jewlyes?
[Gutierrez:] Everybody else?
[Paul:] Yes.
[Gutierrez:] What do you mean?
[Paul:] How about other students, other teachers, what is their reaction to this whole thing that's happened and to you being the only one charged?
[Gutierrez:] I haven't talked to any teachers about it. I feel like I haven't had the chance to.
[Paul:] OK. Well, Jewlyes Gutierrez, we'll be following what happens. We're grateful that you took the time to talk to us. Thank you for being here to tell us your story. And best of luck to you.
[Gutierrez:] OK, thank you.
[Paul:] Thank you. And still to come, a grandmother's dream come true, a cannabis tour. The 72-year-old loves to smoke pot, and she was all smiles checking out what goes on behind the scenes at Colorado's marijuana dispensaries. We have more after the break.

[Blitzer:] Welcome back to our special report, "Crisis in Syria." Happening now: the crisis sparking growing fear and diplomatic drama in neighboring Jordan, where U.S. military leaders, they are now meeting with other Middle East allies and beyond. CNN's global resources are on the story. Also, Syria experts a look at what happens next in the wake of that apparent chemical weapons attack. And a U.S. soldier is honored not only for his heroism in Afghanistan, but his honesty about what followed. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. Inexcusable, undeniable, and a moral obscenity, remarkably strong language from Secretary of State John Kerry today talking about Syria's apparent chemical weapons attack on its own citizens last week. The tough new tone is raising concern about a possible U.S. military intervention in the country's two-and-a-half-year-old civil war. And the developments are ratcheting up tension in capitals around the region, indeed around much of the world. CNN correspondents are working the story in Russia, in Jordan, and in Israel. Let's begin with CNN's Phil Black in Moscow.
[Phil Black, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, despite the allegations of a large-scale chemical weapons attack, Russia's position on the possibility of military intervention in Syria hasn't changed, and so nor has its message to the United States and its allies: Don't even think about it. Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, says there's not enough evidence to blame the Syrian government for this attack, and says there's actually substantial evidence and a lot of common sense suggesting Syrian opposition forces were responsible. And he's also cast doubt on the authenticity of some of those videos which appeared online claiming to show the aftermath of the chemical weapons attack. He says he believes some of them were uploaded hours before the attack took place. The Russian government says the opposition force's motivation for carrying out such an attack against the Syrian people would be to scuttle any chance for the peace process. Russia, the United States, other parties have been working together to hold a big international conference that would hopefully settle the conflict in Syria diplomatically once and for all. But Russia says it doesn't believe the opposition wants that conference to take place and would prefer to fight for an outright military result. Russia compares the possibility of any sort of military strike in Syria to America's earlier wars in Iraq and Libya and says, just like those conflicts, this one would be illegal. It would destabilize the country and the region Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Phil Black in Moscow. Thank you. The escalating conflict has Jordan in a very vulnerable position, both diplomatically and geographically. CNN senior international correspondent Nic Robertson is in Amman. We want to warn you: his report contains some very disturbing images.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Wolf, Jordan's position has been very clear. They say they want a diplomatic solution. Indeed, when you look at their position right now over these military meetings that are going on here involving Saudi Arabia, the United States, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, France, Germany, Italy. The Jordanian position is really to play down the profile of this meeting. It doesn't want to be perceived as hosting a meeting where there's going to be a decision over intervention in Syria based on these alleged chemical attacks. Jordan feels that that would put them in potentially a very dangerous situation: missile strikes, potentially chemical missile strikes, even, from Syria would be one of their concerns. Terrorist strikes, as well, precipitated by the Assad regime, would be another one of their concerns. It is pretty much an open secret here that there is weapons smuggling through the Jordanian border into Syria, into the hands of Syrian rebels going on. Saudi Arabia says it's supplying weapons. The Jordanian government's position on that is that it's doing everything it can to stop the smuggling across the border, and that it doesn't want to aid and inflame the military situation, if you will, inside of Syria. Jordan really at the moment feels vulnerable for many reasons, buffeted by what's being going on with the Arab Spring, buffeted by the tensions that exist in the country here, the king not as popular as he used to be, allegations of official corruption in the country. All these things make Jordan a little less stable than it used to be. It's trying to stay out of trouble, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Nic Robertson in Amman, Jordan, thank you. Israel is warning that if Syria is allowed to get away with a chemical weapons attack, its enemies will be emboldened. CNN's Jim Clancy is in Jerusalem, and he's getting Israeli reaction.
[Jim Clancy, Cnn Correspondent/anchor:] Wolf, Israel has long been concerned about Syria's stockpile of chemical weapons, but before last week, was more concerned they might be transferred to Syria's ally and Israel's arch enemy, Hezbollah. The Iranian-backed militant group based in Lebanon has tens of thousands of missiles aimed at the Jewish state. But the alleged use of chemical weapons and the mass casualties caused has raised alarm bells. Prime Minister Netanyahu declared that both Iran and Hezbollah are right now watching what will be the world's response if it's proved that the chemical arms were employed by the regime. He describes Syria as a testing ground and warned it was ample evidence we can't allow the world's most dangerous regimes to acquire the world's most dangerous weapons. Israel will not be the one to intervene in Syria in this case. But it's not coy about its hopes that Washington and the Europeans will send a strong message, and not just in writing Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Jim Clancy in Jerusalem for us. Thank you. The most recent American military intervention came in Libya. That was back in March of 2011. Working with NATO allies to establish a no-fly zone and protect Libyan rebels and civilians, the U.S. fired about 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles, mainly aimed at destroying Moammar Gadhafi's air defense system. Each of those missiles has a production unit cost of about half a million dollars, but the real price tag for each missile, about $1.4 million. That comes out to just north of a quarter of a billion dollars for those cruise missiles that were fired. The United States also flew hundreds of aircraft sorties over Libya. Lost an F-15, by the way, jet fighter during the operation. The crew, fortunately, survived. While the missiles are fired from long distances off the shore, offshore, the U.S. the use of manned aircraft would certainly bring the risk of American casualties if the U.S. were to get so involved in Syria. That would be the unlikeliest option, putting U.S. boots on the ground in Syria. And of course, that would make casualties a near certainty. Up next on our special report "Crisis in Syria," how would Bashar al-Assad handle a U.S. military strike? I'll ask someone who knows the Syrian leader. Plus, one-time U.S. ally Iraq used chemical weapons during its brutal war with Iran back in the 1980s. Did U.S. officials know what was going on? Stand by.

[Baldwin:] Producers of the Oscar-nominated "Wolf of Wall Street" are getting hit with a $25 million lawsuit. The lawsuit takes issue with a character named Nicky Rugrat Koskof and jokes about his toupee. Rugrat is played by this actor. This is PJ Burn, former employee and he believes his life inspired the Rugrat character and he said he was wrongly portrayed as a criminal, a drug user and a toupee wearer. So Drew Findling, let me bring you in, criminal defense attorney to talk about whether this has legs as we say. I think particularly this guy is irked because the movie mocks the fact that he is wearing this toupee. Not the fact that he had a toupee, but it's mocking this toupee.
[Drew Findling, Criminal Defense Attorney:] What's interesting is they have to be able to show that this was actually a portrayal of him and what he is saying is that they did have a nickname for him, I believe, "Wig Wam," because he wore a wig and that ties it in. But you know my question is, no one would even know it's this guy, but for this lawsuit and all of the stories like your own that are now going to tie him into the story. That's the movie itself.
[Baldwin:] So you're saying he is now calling attention to it therefore we now know who he is. Does that even have merit? Can toupee mocking be a legal thing?
[Findling:] Well, I do not think so, and find this very questionable. He was an investment banker. He lived in California. Not practicing law. He is apparently moving his law practice or what law practice they didn't have to New York, waiting to get sworn in and now files the suit in New York. He is going to get all this publicity. He is not going to go anywhere with this suit. We all know that. They are not going to hand over the film like they want him he wants him to do. But he is going to sure get a lot of publicity when he hangs out of his door outside of his office, his name outside of his door.
[Baldwin:] What about just in general, Drew, when films are based upon I believe this is based upon Jordan Belfort memoire. Whose permission do they really need to get to tell stories like these? Jordan Belfort and all characters involved. I imagine not.
[Findling:] No, they do not. You have to think that with a company of this magnitude, making this film, they are consulting lawyers. When they watch that, you actually see the lawyers' names now. So they are making sure that they are dotting their I's and crossing their T's. They made sure they didn't use his name. They didn't have his likeness. They did everything they needed to do and he is doing what he needs to do right now, which is promote himself.
[Baldwin:] Lawyers' names in the credit top. Drew Findling, thank you very much. Coming up next, some rare remarks from George W. Bush today, he is speaking out about PTSD and our veterans who are suffering from that. You'll hear his candid comments. How he would like to help. Plus, some special guests joining me in studio to tell their stories, some cute girls here, do not miss this family. Also ahead, President Obama as we mentioned just spoke out about this really out of control violence in the capital city in Ukraine. He is placing blame directly on the government there. We will share that sound with you, next.

[Harlow:] All right. We're continuing to monitor severe weather across northern Texas especially right now. You're looking at images taken just moments ago of medevac helicopter rescues there in Denton County, Texas, where there is severe flooding as they continue, continue to reel from the severe weather that has been really the past few days hitting them extremely hard. They're not out of the woods yet. We're going to keep a very close eye on this, bring you more at the top of the hour. But we're also going to talk about something else that is happening tonight in Baltimore. Baltimore, Prince is getting involved in the situation in Baltimore, throwing a special benefit concert tonight. He's doing it after the death of Freddie Gray in police custody and the goal is to raise money for different community programs and children in Baltimore. The singer released a song titled "Baltimore." Listen.
[Anthony Decurtis, Communicating Editor, Rolling Stone:] Hello.
[Harlow:] Appreciate it.
[Decurtis:] Thank you. Thank you.
[Harlow:] Let's talk about what you know, it's interesting because I think of Prince and I think of someone who doesn't exactly get in the headlines or do a lot of interviews or put himself out there a lot. He's a very private guy.
[Decurtis:] Yes. Exactly, and that's why I was kind of surprised to hear about this concert. I mean, it suggested I think the depth of his feelings about this, and the degree I think of national feeling about it. I mean, this isn't somebody who's jumping on every cause or, you know, looking for ways to comment on, you know, political or social events. I mean, in fact he's been very reluctant to do that. But I think in this case, you know, he's obviously stepping up.
[Harlow:] Well, look, remember, at the Grammys, I think it was
[Decurtis:] Yes.
[Harlow:] This year's Grammys.
[Decurtis:] Exactly.
[Harlow:] He came and he talked about black lives matter.
[Decurtis:] Yes. He made a quick reference to it, and that was notable also. I mean, that was not something he would typically do but it is, you know, a little talk he referred to that term and it just indicated the degree to which these events were on his mind.
[Harlow:] What so let's talk about the bigger picture here, when you look at these benefit concerts. Right? We saw them here in New York after Hurricane Sandy and we've seen them, you know, for tragedies around the world. How effective are they?
[Decurtis:] I think it varies but I think it's always a good thing when certainly artists of Prince's stature, you know, address an issue like this. It makes people think about it. Even if they don't agree with them. I mean, the song which is actually fairly upbeat and more kind of a plea for peace, but also takes a strong anti-gun stand.
[Harlow:] Yes. Did that stand out to you?
[Decurtis:] Yes.
[Harlow:] That he has sort of now made his I mean, in the lyrics to this song.
[Decurtis:] Right.
[Harlow:] It's a very anti-gun position he's taking.
[Decurtis:] Yes. I mean, I wasn't shocked that he would feel that way. I was shocked that he would talk about it and I think it's obviously you know, it's a highly charged issue, but I think, you know, whenever an artist steps out in that way, it makes people I think in particular it makes young fans think that they you know, should engage the world around them and try to find out more about what these issues mean and in the case of you know, obviously what's going on in Baltimore, it has, you know, a big impact on them.
[Harlow:] What we're told also is that several other well-known artists will be there tonight, they're not releasing the names. I think it's interesting that it's streaming on Title, this is the new streaming service that Jay-Z owns and has launched. Do we expect him to be there?
[Decurtis:] You know, it wouldn't shock me if he turned up. You know, on the other hand, you know, he hasn't announced it, and, you know, it's a little hard to say. I don't want to encourage people to believe he's going to be there if we don't know for sure.
[Harlow:] You know, it's interesting when you think about the focus on youth, I spent a lot of time in the last week talking to the kids from Baltimore.
[Decurtis:] Sure.
[Harlow:] This is clearly aimed at the youth.
[Decurtis:] Yes, I think, you know, it's something that is designed to make this a connect with the events of people's lives, I think, and that's important, and I think that's something that, you know, Prince in many ways has been reluctant to do. He's not somebody partly I think because he's a Jehovah's Witness and, you know, has certain separation I guess between the events of the world and what he sees as the events of his spiritual life.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Decurtis:] But I think, you know, this is a way on his part to connect those and connect them to his fans.
[Harlow:] Anthony DeCurtis from "Rolling Stone," thank you very much.
[Decurtis:] My pleasure. Thanks so much.
[Harlow:] Appreciate it. Good to have you on the program, sir.
[Decurtis:] Yes.
[Harlow:] Have a great week.
[Decurtis:] You bet.
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[Costello:] All right, we want to take you back out live to Phoenix right now where the FBI is searching the apartment located in Phoenix, Arizona, of one of the alleged gunmen in that Texas shooting in Garland, Texas. There was a shooting that happened outside of an event featuring a cartoon contest. You were challenged to to draw a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed. These two men showed up. They opened fire. Police fired back. And two men were shot. And again, the FBI is searching one of the apartment is searching the apartment where these two men lived. We know one of their names, Elton Simpson. So let's head back out to Phoenix right now and check in with Javier Soto. He works at one of our affiliates there, KTVK. Javier, what more can you tell us?
[Javier Soto, Reporter, Ktvk:] Yes, good morning to you, Carol. We just got out from talking with some of the neighbors of Simpson and they described two gentlemen who lived there and they did describe them as gentlemen, saying they were very nice. And when I referenced one of them as Elton Simpson, as you just mentioned, they said that they went by a different name. But currently the FBI is in and out of that apartment complex unit here at the Autumn Ridge. We're right north of Phoenix. And they served the search warrant late last night into early this morning. We are told that several units surrounding the one unit where they were serving a search warrant were evacuated at about 10:00 last night. They weren't allowed back into their units until about 4:00 this morning. But the FBI, with the assistance of Phoenix Police, served a search warrant. We were told there were some loud flash-bangs as the FBI and Phoenix Police made entry. Once they determined nobody was inside, they sent a robot in to conduct surveillance throughout that apartment unit to make sure there were no bombs inside, and then the FBI started their investigation. Now, neighbors tell us that they're actually centered around a van in the back parking lot searching through that, as well. And according to FBI officials, they got information from yesterday's shooting, once they were able to get inside that vehicle and gather information and that's what brought them to this apartment complex here in north Phoenix, connecting Simpson, as well as the second suspect to this unit. So they're far from done conducting their investigation. There's no telling at this point what kind of evidence they were able to pull away from here. But again, those other surrounding units were allowed back in to their homes just a few hours ago. And they described the two men who lived here as being very nice. Carol.
[Costello:] All right, I want, if you could, Scottie, to put up that tweet supposedly sent out by one of the suspects, Elton Simpson. And I want the audience to look at that while I ask you this next question, Javier. Is there a problem in Phoenix with radicalized young men?
[Soto:] I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
[Costello:] Is there a wider problem of in Phoenix with radicalized young men?
[Soto:] You know, there's no telling at this point. You know, this is something widespread across the nation. There are pockets and cells of stuff we really don't know. So I don't think any state or any city is immune to that at this point. As you know, ISIS when they announced this event was going to take place where they were awarding an artist $10,000 for the best drawing of the Prophet Mohammed, ISIS online started calling for attacks like the one we saw yesterday. So I think when you say there are radicalized individuals, I think no place, no city, no state is immune to that at this point.
[Costello:] All right, Javier Soto, thanks for the incite. I appreciate it. I'll be right back.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. In politics, it was pitched by the White House as a new grand bargain from the president. But Republicans say it's neither grand nor much of a bargain. Here's the sales pitch.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Here's the bottom line. I'm willing to work with Republicans on reforming our corporate tax code as long as we use the money from transitioning to a simpler tax system for a significant investment in creating middle class jobs.
[Obama:] That's the deal.
[Tapper:] So, that was the president today in Chattanooga in front of the cameras. But I want to give you a behind-the-scenes look at your government at work. After the story of this "grand bargain" came out this morning by the AP, House Speaker John Boehner's press secretary Brendan Buck tweeted, "In case you were curious, we heard about this grand bargain offer from the AP wire." But prompted by troublemaking me, White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer then tweeted that wasn't true. And a senior White House official elaborated in an e-mail, saying the White House called Speaker Boehner's office yesterday and they left a message. One that the speaker's office did not return until around noon today. This is like asking a girl to a seventh- grade dance. Let's bring in our panel. Former CEO of Hewlett-Packard and founder of Carly Fiorina Enterprises, Carly Fiorina. CNN contributor and Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen. And CNN contributor and Washington correspondent for "The New Yorker," Ryan Lizza. Ryan, the president's grand bargain today. How much of an offer could this be if there wasn't even this connection made until noon?
[Ryan Lizza, Cnn Contributor:] Well, something has to get this off the ground, right? And we all know that Obama and Boehner have not been talking. Boeher has said publicly
[Tapper:] As opposed to the Israelis and the Palestinians. They're talking.
[Lizza:] That's easy compared to this!
[Tapper:] They're talking!
[Lizza:] Look, I think Boehner last year or earlier this year said he was done having one-on-one negotiations with the president. So I think this is Obama's attempt to jump start this with a public speech, get the conversation going, get Republicans and Democrats back and forth saying what they like, what they don't like. And see if they can get this thing off the ground. Remember, in the Senate, it like springtime in the Senate. There are Republicans now who are negotiating, there are conversations. The Senate is actually a semi-functional institution this year. I think he's trying to give the House a little nudge here.
[Hilary Rosen, Cnn Contributor:] And that's key because remember, John Boehner actually publicly announced he didn't want to talk to the president anymore about economic grand bargains.
[Tapper:] Not solo. Yes.
[Rosen:] The president has been meeting very regularly with bipartisan groups of members and even Republican House members. Look, we're only six months into the second term. So
[Tapper:] Is that it?
[Rosen:] We should stop talking about 2016
[Tapper:] Oh, my Lord.
[Rosen:] and reelections and all of that. The president has a job to do, and he's trying to get it done. What he did today was he said you guys want tax reform, we still want investment in jobs and infrastructure and education. Let's work together and figure this out. And Republicans ought to take him up on it.
[Tapper:] And Carly, the president, the White House says look, Republicans I know they want a comprehensive tax reform that includes individuals. But that's a nonstarter because the president wants to raise taxes on upper-income individuals; the Republicans will never do that. So let's talk about where we can work, and that's why he's taken the position he's taking. Republicans don't see it that way, though.
[Carly Fiorina, Founder, Carly Fiorina Enterprises:] Well, here's what I would say as someone who has negotiated a lot of deals in my life. There a couple of cardinal rules for getting a negotiation done. First one is you have to actually want a deal. It not clear to me Obama wants a deal. It's very clear to me that he wants to be able to blame Republicans for the lack of a deal. Second, you need to flatter your counterpart, not insult them. That's just sort of basic deal making 101. Third, you need to know what your counterpart's red lines are and respect. And, fourth and fourth, most importantly, you don't negotiate in public actually. Even in politics. If you really want a grand bargain, Boehner and the president are going to have to actually sit down in private and try and work something out. And you announce it when it's done, not before you've begun.
[Rosen:] And in the past, the president has met every one of those [sic]. And first of all
[Fiorina:] He's met none of them. He's met none of them.
[Rosen:] The president is not running for reelection.
[Tapper:] In the last five year, I think is what you're saying. Not in the last day.
[Rosen:] But the president is not running for reelection. He has no reason to say, oh, I'm going to do better if we fail. Then I can blame you. What he wants very much to keep this economy moving and moving more quickly. And it is John Boehner who has said I can't do this with you.
[Tapper:] I want to give Carly the last word, and then I want to move onto another topic.
[Fiorina:] I hope you are right. I hope he wants to deal. The only past relation I would put forward in suggesting he may not is President Obama may truly have decided that the most important thing he can do for his legacy is to get a Democratic House in 2014 and to do so, he must continually blame Republicans for all problems.
[Tapper:] I do want to move on to one other topic and that an even more dysfunctional government scene playing out, of course, in San Diego. Do you remember, Bob Filner, San Diego's Democratic mayor is not stepping. He's doubling down. He is asking the city of San Diego to pick up the tab for his growing legal fees after seven women have come forward accusing him of sexual harassment. T he city is actually filing a cross-complaint asking that he pay them for their legal fees. Ryan, this guy is not taking a hint.
[Lizza:] No. I mean, this is when you know you've been in government too long, you expect the government to pay for everything. The least he could do is if he maybe wins the case then the government with pick up the tab. But when you're credibly accused of those accusations, it seems like you have a responsibility to pay for your own legal fees.
[Tapper:] This is the first Democratic mayor in San Diego in decades, Carly.
[Fiorina:] Well, I don't think it's a reflection on the party.
[Tapper:] It could damage the party.
[Fiorina:] Well, yes, this guy is a disgrace. He ought to go away like a couple of other guys we've talked about on this show.
[Tapper:] And McDonnell should just be pointing to these guys, Weiner, Spitzer, Filner.
[Rosen:] Take your choice with these male politicians.
[Tapper:] There is a former city councilwoman in San Diego who said that she had heard these stories and she warned people about it and nothing ever happened with it.
[Rosen:] I had dinner this weekend with some female members and former members who said this guy has been this way all along, that everybody thought he was a little creepy.
[Lizza:] When he was in Washington?
[Tapper:] When he was in Washington they had heard stories like this?
[Rosen:] You know, not necessarily official sexual harassment, but just a guy they never trusted.
[Tapper:] Creepy. All right, Carly Fiorina, Hilary Rosen, Ryan Lizza, thank you, great panel today. Really appreciate it. Coming up, when they're not launching hunger strikes in their cells, some of the guys in Gitmo like to kick back and relax by reading "50 Shades Of Gray." I am being completely serious that's coming up. Later, Governor Chris Christie, I hope you've set your TiVo, sir, we'll tell you about the new movie that die hard Springsteen fans have put together with their own concert footage. Stay with us.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Let's start with Chad Myers on the ground in Tupelo, Mississippi Chad.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] This is a Shell station, Chris, it was, what's left of it. It was a car getting fuel. I'm thinking right about here 130 to 145 miles per hour. The town of Lewisville, south of here, got hit unbelievably hard.
[Unidentified Male:] There is all sorts of stuff falling out of the sky. The road is getting lit. There are cars that have been tossed.
[Myers:] You have no idea what you're going to find. Here's a "b" from somewhere. This Shell station has no "b" in it, so I have no idea where that came from. But another big day of tornadoes possible today. Back to you.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Chad, thanks so much. And in Alabama, thousands were forced to take cover in shelters or huddle hallways. Tornadoes touching down throughout the state there as well. Brian Todd has the very latest from the hard hit town of Athens. Brian?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Kate, we're seeing first light here and seeing our first glimpse of the sheer devastation that hit this town. This is foundation of a home that really is not there anymore. Part of it may have been just swept over here. Walking along the foundation here you can see the wreckage of this home. It was completely pulverized. There's part of a toilet standing right there, an appliance over here. But look at this, all of it completely blown away. And this entire neighborhood is just decimated. This was a group of houses and apartments. Some people here at first light are just now returning to pick through what's left of their homes. Not far away from here in Kimberly, Alabama, just south of here, you have incredible video just from the height of the storm when it was hitting. A church, half of it collapsed. It had its roof ripped off. We have video of that. Just almost at the height of the storm when it was raining. Also a fire station, some first responders had trouble getting out, a fire truck covered in debris as the lightning and rain pulverized that area of Kimberly, Alabama, not too far south of here. Again, people just now returning to their homes. And we're told three people in the state of Alabama, at least three people died. Two of them not far from here in a trailer park. But again, the casualty numbers are going to be fluid as the day goes on. Chris, back to you.
[Cuomo:] Yes, Brian, we've got to be mindful of that and continue to monitor it. Be safe as you're walking around. Joining us to update us is on the situation on the ground is Mayor Jason Shelton of Tupelo, Mississippi. Mr. Mayor, thank you for joining us. I know you're concerned about the entire community, but is your family OK, is your home OK?
[Mayor Jason Shelton, Tupelo, Mississippi:] Thank you so much. My family is fine. My home is fine. We have had one casualty here in Tupelo and widespread devastation here in the community, and just praying for all the residential and business owners and starting the healing process.
[Cuomo:] We see what is bed hind you. And we heard the governor of Mississippi qualify it this way, Phil Brian, that he lived through Katrina but he's never seen anything like this. What is your experience?
[Shelton:] The governor was very gracious, reached out to me, called me twice yesterday as he dealt with storms literally covering half of the state of Mississippi, a terrible storm system. He's on his way to Tupelo this morning and I plan on touring the city with him and assessing the damage. And he's going to work with us to get the best response possible for our citizens.
[Cuomo:] What's your best information on search and rescue there? What are you discovering about what's happened?
[Shelton:] The Tupelo first responders, emergency management team led by fire chief Thomas Walker did a wonderful job. They did a house-by- house, door-to-door search last night of every affected neighborhood. They did a second search last night. It's my understanding we will do a third today just to make sure there are no casualties or no one still trapped in their home. Is it true, Mr. Mayor, that in one scenario, an entire business was taken down to the ground except the rest room, and that's where the employees were hiding? No, we're actually standing directly across the street from that business now, the Steak Escape here. That was just a miracle of god. They huddled in the bathroom facilities and the vast majority of the building was destroyed around them.
[Cuomo:] How did that happen? Was it just plain luck or, as you're saying, a miracle, or did that structure, that part of the structure get built up and reinforced?
[Shelton:] Well, we can see it here. You know, I don't know the ins and outs of the structure itself. Certainly very fortunate to be able to seek shelter there in the strongest part of the building and survive the storm.
[Cuomo:] Wow. Whatever it was, thank god they did survive. Most importantly, Mr. Mayor, what do you need? What do you want people to know about the needs on the ground there in going forward?
[Shelton:] Just continued support and prayers. We're going to work with the federal and state emergency management crews. Tupelo's response has been great. We've got surrounding communities that are literally waiting 15 miles away to get here to help today. For the local people, I would continue to urge people to be weather aware and to resist the natural urge to kind of go see the situation, try to assess the damage, or even check on a friend's home or business. The emergency crews and responders need to be able to do their job. There's still a few natural gas lines that have damage that the crews are working on. And the electric lines, as they restore power, there's a very real threat of electrocution. Just ask people to continue to pray but at the same time give the first responders the space they need to do their job.
[Cuomo:] Mr. Mayor, as the sun comes up we hope that it isn't revealed to be even worse than it looks right now. Stay in touch. Let us know what you need. Thank you for joining us this morning. Good luck and a quick recovery.
[Shelton:] Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Kate?
[Bolduan:] A third of the country now is on alert today for more severe weather including even more tornadoes. Meteorologist Indra Petersons is taking a closer look at that. Indra?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] It's hard to believe we're still talking about severe weather. Again today, the fact that we're talking about more people affected by the threat for severe weather is devastating. Take a look at what we saw yesterday 80 reports of tornado damage. Where? Kentucky, Tennessee, especially out towards Mississippi and Alabama. Keep in mind unfortunately today that concern is going to be in the exact same region. We're going to be focusing again right into the southeast, especially again, notice out towards Birmingham just north of Mobile, and 2.5 million of you today under the threat for a moderate risk. That's an enhanced risk for severe weather. And then 73 million of you looking for a slight risk for severe weather. Keep in mind slight risk does not mean you cannot get a strong tornado. That threat is still very much out there today, especially as we go through the afternoon. Again, so let's talk about what we're dealing with. This morning still looking at tornado watch boxes including Atlanta, Macon, even Albany. That concern will enhance as we go through the afternoon. Why? Why are you still dealing with this? Look at this system not northeast. It is packed here. It has been for days. The system behind it, producing severe weather parked in place, that cold front spinning up and fueling the thunderstorms especially in the afternoon as we get that sunlight or the daytime heating. Again, today looking for severe weather and also unfortunately in through tomorrow, still looking for more severe weather from D.C. down through Florida. Tough thing to consider when you talk about the wooded areas, we're still very hard to see tornadoes in this region, especially when they get rain wrapped with heavy rain. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Indra, thank you so much, continue to track that story as it's developing as the sun is coming up in these areas as we talk about them right now. But let's turn to another breaking news story this morning. In the search for flight 370, for the first time we get to hear the final cockpit recordings, the missing passengers' families getting access to this audio for very first time during a meeting with Malaysian officials. Take a listen to a bit of it.
[Unidentified Male:] MAS370, morning, level two five zero, Malaysian 370. Malaysian 370 climb flight level three five zero. Flight level three five zero, Malaysian 370. Malaysian 370 maintaining level three five zero. Malaysian 370 maintaining level three five zero. Malaysian 370 contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal nine, good night. Good night, Malaysian 370.
[Bolduan:] There was that final communication that they have waited, those families have waited so long to gain access to. Let's discuss what this means to the investigation and some other developments this morning. Joining us now airline accident investigator Shawn Pruchnicki and CNN safety analyst and the author of "Why Planes Crash" David Soucie. Good morning once again to both of you. Shawn, I want to it get your take once again. We hear this audio for the first time. It's been six weeks. This is something the families have been asking. Something that we have learned, I have learned as uninitiated through this process, pretty basic hearing the communications, but what do we learn from this now six weeks in?
[Shawn Pruchnicki, Airline Accident Investigator:] Unfortunately not a whole lot. What we hear by this audio recording, which is really pretty low quality from what we've heard so far, is that this was a normal transmission. This is a normal discussion between air traffic control and the aircraft, and really nothing that tells us anything could have been amiss.
[Bolduan:] What, if the quality is better and you assume they have better quality, the reason our audio quality isn't as great is they have playing it over a loudspeaker in the room. Investigators, they will have a better quality audio. What are they looking at? What have they been investigating? What can you gain from listening to these communications?
[Pruchnicki:] There are actually several things that they can look at. Primarily they can look at try to detect stress patterns.
[Bolduan:] You can really try to get that from those communications?
[Pruchnicki:] Absolutely. That's been done before. They can even listen to engine sound. If they're wondering about, you know, the power settings on the engines, sometimes they can actually detect that noise in the background and determine approximate engine level settings. But more importantly they're going to focus on just the voice patterns themselves, trying to detect stress. You have to have another recording of the same individuals to compare it to and do the analysis.
[Bolduan:] You assume, David Soucie, the investigators have previous communications from the pilot that they can try to compare it to. What do you gain what do you gather, anything unusual you sense from these communications that the families have waited so long to hear?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Well, I don't think there's anything terrible unusual, however, if you listen to it, it keeps repeating back we're at 350, we're at 350. Typically what that means is the pilot is trying to remind the tower they requested a change in altitude but you haven't responded to me yet. But that doesn't really give us a whole lot of information. That's still pretty typical. What's more important is that the Malaysian government is releasing it and opening up communications and sharing things with the families they hadn't previously done. So I think that's a big step forward.
[Bolduan:] A big step in the transparency people have been calling for so long. I want to get your take, David Soucie, also on this, a report coming out of an Australian exploration company called GeoResonance. They are reporting that they possibly have detected debris in a very different part of the ocean. They believe that through their analysis they may have detected debris in a very different part of the ocean. They believe that through their analysis that they may have detected debris just south of Bangladesh in the Bay of Bengal. Do you think that's possible, because so far is joint the joint coordinating committee out of Australia came out and essentially dismissed it already?
[Soucie:] Well, remember you would have to disregard so much other information that they've been basing everything on. Now, as far as this company, their credibility is very high and they do have information that something is there shortly after the accident that wasn't there before, including metals. They sensed metals. That's what they're there for. So they're sensing titanium and aluminum and these metals that were not in that particular spot before the accident. So as far as that, it does have credibility. As far as the fact that they would have to ignore literally the entire investigation that they started from ground zero, they're not going to be very quick to respond to that, specifically because the Inmarsat data is very credible and accurate, and we still can't discount the pings. The pings we haven't found any other thing in the ocean that could make that same sound and at that same frequency. So I think that's good that they're disregarding it for now but certainly everything has to be investigated and examined.
[Bolduan:] And to be specific, from the joint committee, Shawn, they said the team is satisfied the final resting place of the missing aircraft is in the southern portion of the search arc. This would take you into the northern portion which had been discredited weeks ago.
[Pruchnicki:] Absolutely. I think David is right. We have more evidence to indicate that it's probably in that southern area. I think those pings are a really good point.
[Bolduan:] Is there any problem though dismissing it so quickly?
[Pruchnicki:] Absolutely.
[Bolduan:] Should they send something there?
[Pruchnicki:] I think someone needs to take to a look at this. I think we need to bring some experts in, folks other than just this company, present this data to some other individuals, some other people with the technical expertise to look at this and say does this merit bringing resources a significant distance from where those resources currently are.
[Bolduan:] Which means time and money, and if it's wrong, a distraction and a departure from where they need to be focused right now.
[Pruchnicki:] Absolutely.
[Bolduan:] But there is a little bit of why not at this point.
[Pruchnicki:] Let's take a look at it and talk to some people and find out what the data really show.
[Bolduan:] Shawn, David, thank you as always. Great to see you guys this morning. Michaela?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] All right, let's look at more of your headlines right now. North Korea conducted live fire artillery drills overnight. They took place near Pyongyang's dispute western maritime border with South Korea. Analysts view the drills as a sign of frustration with the lack of international. Both Koreas conduct these drills but they often get tense because of the disputed boundaries. And 15 people are now facing sanctions from the European Union for their part in Russia's aggression against Ukraine. Economic and travel restrictions are on the table for the group, which includes members of Vladimir Putin's inner circle. Russia is criticizing the sanctions from the EU and U.S. which targeted seven officials. Sanctions also restrict exports that could help Russia's military. The White House is ramping up some pressure on colleges to crack down on sexual assaults. Vice president Biden unveiling new guidelines today, urging colleges to conduct surveys about assault, adopt proven anti-assault policies, and ensure victims confidentiality. The White House also plans to launch a new website, notalone.gov, to provide victims with information and track enforcement.
[Cuomo:] People are going to be shocked when they find out that assaults on campus are actually going up. You would think in this day and age of sensitivity they would be going the other way.
[Bolduan:] And still so underreported, is one of the biggest problems.
[Pereira:] And then one of the challenges too is those DNA databases are sitting there waiting to be examined and investigated too. That's another aspect of this that takes time.
[Cuomo:] We have to stay on it. Let's take a little break right now though. Coming up on NEW DAY, big sponsors, they're not waiting for the NBA. They have already cut ties with the Clippers owner, Donald Sterling, because of his alleged comments. So what will the league do? We're supposed to find out today but we're going to bring in former NBA star and CNN political commentator, Mr. Greg Anthony for his take coming up.
[Bolduan:] Also coming up on "Inside Politics", Congressman Michael Grimm, a former FBI agent, but yesterday he was in FBI custody. Why Grimm called federal charges against him part of a witch hunt. That's ahead.

[Paul:] Good morning. Thirty minute past the hour. So grateful for your company. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. Here are five things you need to know for your NEW DAY. Number one, security concerns at the White House. Last night, a man jumped the fence outside the North Lawn. Now, the Secret Service says this was 42-year-old Omar Gonzalez of Copperas Cove, Texas. He was not armed. A man then believed to be Gonzalez was loaded on to ambulance shortly after the security breach. The first family was not at the White House at the time.
[Paul:] Number two. Shades of the cold war, it seems. U.S. jets intercepted a half dozen Russian military planes flying too close to Alaskan air space. This happened on Thursday. But they didn't enter sovereignty territory. However, they came within 55 miles. A U.S. official tells our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr it looks as though the incident was planned to coincide with the Ukrainian president's visit to the U.S. and Canada.
[Blackwell:] Number three: police in Pennsylvania appear to be closing in on a man they suspected killed one state trooper and wounded another. Officers are scouring a section of he Poconos where they believe 31-year-old Eric Matthew Frein is hiding. Now, earlier police exchanged gunfire with the man they think was Frein. The people who live there they're being warned to stay inside as this manhunt continues.
[Paul:] Number four, a man accused of deliberately starting a California forest fire is pleading not guilty. There he is. Wayne Huntsman, he's being held on a $10 million bond and he's facing one felony count of arson. The King fire, as it's being called, has grown to more than 76,000 acres. Only 10 percent of it has been contained.
[Blackwell:] Number five, it is the biggest IPO ever to hit Wall Street and it's growing. Shares of Alibaba, the Chinese e-commerce giant, generated nearly $22 billion in sales in its initial public offering. And after just one day, the price is up 38 percent. Company's CEO says he wants Alibaba to be compared with American corporate icons like Walmart, Microsoft,
[Ibm. Paul:] All right. Let's talk about the NFL. People waiting to hear more from Commissioner Roger Goodell and we got it. He said despite the league's domestic abuse scandal, he's not going anywhere. In his first public remarks in more than a week, he apologized yesterday for his mishandling of the scandal. But made it clear, he's never even considered leaving his post despite all the calls for him to step down. Goodell went on to promise sweeping changes for the NFL. Here's CNN's Alexandra Field.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Roger Goodell speaking at a Manhattan news conference amid calls for his resignation.
[Roger Goodell, Nfl Commissioner:] I got it wrong on a number of levels, from the process that I led to the decision that I reached. But now, I will get it right and do whatever is necessary to accomplish that.
[Field:] The embattled NFL commissioner apologizing for what he said was his mishandling of the Ray Rice domestic violence scandal. Here's a question from CNN's Rachel Nichols.
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn's "unguarded":] Roger, you've had pretty extreme unilateral power in making decisions, but as you've said a few times, you've got it wrong in a few cases and that tends to happen when there's no checks and balances. How willing are you to give up some of that power? And do you think that that would be the right thing for you to do?
[Goodell:] Well, Rachel, as I said in any statement, everything is on the table. We're going to make sure that we look at every aspect of the process of how we gather information to make a decision, how we make that decision and then the appeals process.
[Nichols:] Even as Goodell pledged to move ahead, questions still loom in the rice case about who knew what when after TMZ released the now infamous inside the elevator video.
[Goodell:] We asked for it on several occasions. According to our security department, we asked for it on several occasions over the spring all the way through June, from February through June. So, I'm confident that our people did that.
[Field:] Two security camera videos put the Rice case squarely in the public eye showing the former Baltimore Ravens star knocking out his then-fiancee with a punch last February. A source within the Ravens organization tells CNN that hours after the incident in an Atlantic City hotel and casino, the head of Baltimore Ravens security Darren Sanders spoke with Atlantic City police who described in detail to Sanders the elevator video. ESPN is reporting that Sanders then shared the information with team executives and that those executives started extensive public and private campaigns for leniency for Rice a source within the Ravens' organization say the Ravens never saw the video until TMZ released it. The Ravens issued a statement late Friday saying, "The ESPN.com "Outside The Lines" article contains numerous error, inaccuracies, false assumptions and perhaps misunderstandings. The Ravens will address all of these next week in Baltimore after our trip to Cleveland for Sunday's game against the Browns." Alexandra Field, CNN, New York.
[Blackwell:] Of course, we'll talk more about that throughout the morning. Let's talk about ISIS now, on the march in Syria and Iraq. But will the militants directly threaten the U.S. homeland?
[Paul:] And a doctor who performed Joan Rivers' last surgery is pushing back against claims that she snapped a selfie in the operating room when the comedian was under anesthesia. How new accusations could complicate the investigation.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. The national lead now: the Tulsa County volunteer sheriff's deputy who shot and killed a man in a sting operation is now trying to explain how he mistakenly grabbed his gun instead of his taser. Reserve deputy Roberts Bates told Matt Lauer he was only at that undercover scene as backup, but when the man they were trying to arrest took off running, Bates says he had to react. Deputies tried to cuff Eric Harris, Bates didn't realize he fired his gun instead of his taser until after the fact. Bates is now also fending allegations that his supervisors forged his training background. CNN's Ryan Young joins me now. Ryan, you're going to try to explain this, because Deputy Bates is insisting this accidental shooting could have happened to anyone. Is that right?
[Ryan Young, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Jake. In fact, we watched that video over and over. Across the country, tasers and guns are usually separated on officers, and we watched that video, and he showed one of bullet-proof vest, usually have his taser up here on his chest and his gun either here on the side or somewhere in the back. But he said in the heat of the moment, he grabbed here and not up here.
[Young:] After intense scrutiny, Reserve Sheriff Deputy Robert Bates finally talks about the split-second act where he pulled his gun instead of pulling his taser. The shot he fired led to a man's death.
[Robert Gates, Tulsa County Reserve Deputy:] Oh, my god. What has happened? The laser light is the same on each weapon. I saw the light and I squeezed the trigger, and then realized I had dropped the gun. This was not an intentional thing. I have no desire to ever take anyone's life.
[Young:] In this video, watched by millions, you can see the final run of Eric Harris. Tulsa's share itch deputies running an undercover operation tried to arrest Harris for selling them a gun but he takes off. You can hear Bates yell.
[Unidentified Male:] Now! Now!
[Bates:] Oh, I shot him. I'm sorry.
[Young:] The mix-up is something the 73-year-old part-time deputy, an insurance executive, tried explaining during his "Today" show interview.
[Gates:] My taser right here, on the front, tucked in a protective vest. My gun itself is on my side, normally to the rear.
[Young:] Over the years, Bates has had a close relationship with the sheriff's office, donating five cars and equipment and money to the sheriff's re-election campaign. Now there are explosive allegations being reported by the "Tulsa World" newspaper. The paper details, three supervisors reassigned after not going along with the plan to falsify Bates' training records. A claim Bates and deputies strongly deny.
[Matt Lauer, Nbc News:] You did the training and you can prove you are certified.
[Bates:] That is absolutely the truth. I have it in writing.
[Young:] Charged with second-degree manslaughter, Robert Bates a longtime supporter of the sheriff's department now faces the same system he was sworn to protect and serve, as well as a possible four- year prison term, and the Harris family contends fairness and justice is something they desperately want.
[Andre Harris, Eric Harris' Brother:] So, as the world stands up to speak, for Mr. Eric Harris, we say to the sheriff's department, look out. Look out, because here we come.
[Bates:] Let me apologize to the family of Eric Harris. You know, this is the second worst thing that's ever happened to me, or first, ever happened to me in my life.
[Young:] Jake, a lot of times I've watched officers go through their training when it comes to tasers. They make a great effort to make sure the gun and taser are separated, just in this case, here on the chest or here on the side. There's a reason for that, because they want to make sure the officer has to reach for one or the other. That's something that's something that has to come up now in court after all the questions are laid form.
[Tapper:] All right. Ryan Young, thank you so much. Up next, it turns out a disturbing story about two TSA workers allegedly plotting to grope passenger well, that just might be the tip of the iceberg. A former screener has come forward and is now making cringe-worthy claims about what's really happening at airport security checkpoints. And he's one of the top prospects in the upcoming NFL draft, but could a new lawsuit tank Heisman trophy winner Jameis Winston's career before it even begins?

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Happening right now in the NEWSROOM. Two teenagers just 14 and 16 years old arrested in the U.K. on terrorism charges. Then the story behind Rolling Stone Magazine's horrifying report of a gang rape at the University of Virginia. Tonight the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism releases its explanation about flaws in the magazine's reporting and how it went wrong. Plus -.
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, we don't know these exact charges, Fredericka right now. But if the charges are trying to join ISIS, trying to go to Syria to join ISIS, or something of that nature, in fact we're seeing a quite a number of teenagers who are doing not only in U.K. but also in United States. We've seen cases in Colorado teenage girls trying to go to ISIS who were arrested in Frankford, we've seen Shannon Conley, 19-year-old
[Whitfield:] So how was it these young people are generally, you know, busted since you're reminding us that these, you know, young teenagers are not the first, is it by way of social media typically or is there some other behavior or some other stage of planning that is revealed?
[Bergen:] I think it's almost invariably social media, Fredericka, because it's, you know, perfectly legal for law enforcement whether it's the FBI or the British equivalent to monitor people's Facebook or Twitter postings that are public. And typically, these kids are, you know, very active on social media, often they're linking up with ISIS I asked people actually inside ISIS, through Twitter, in fact ISIS has a publication with I was just reviewing, where there are 17 Twitter accounts that they're advertising that you can direct message, get in touch with people in ISIS. It's was so incline to travel so, you know, it's both on good thing and a bad thing, in a sense the good thing is the social media is a law enforcement can track it pretty easily. The bad thing of course is that's it's encouraging a lot of people, hundreds of kids to think that ISIS is an attractive group and Syria is an attractive destination.
[Whitfield:] And do you know the answer to this, Peter, as to typically these ISIS recruiters, are they making their first contact with these young people in person, and then engaging them online or is it the other way around?
[Bergen:] It's invariably the other way around, Fredericka, I mean, they are online and they're pretty accessible if you, you know, it's not anybody listening to this program can sort of go to some ISIS, you know, kind of propaganda and finding the Twitter handless of people that are actually in ISIS. It's not that difficult. That we've seen the case in Chicago where these three teenagers
[Whitfield:] Well, it almost sounds like just by what you are, you know, the picture that you're painting for us is that, for parents, aside from removing their cell phones or taking away the computers, there's no way of protecting these young people from being eligible recruits?
[Bergen:] I think it's hard and of course, you know, there's a generational thing here, of course Fredericka, which is that, you know, based on parents are not a savvy about the internet in general as their kids are. And these kids are not, you know, they're they're using ask.com and other kinds of, you know, kind of things on the internet which most parents have no idea about as a way to communicate. And so, you know, parents if they need, you know, need to be cognizant of what their kids are doing online, not only for this issue but for any other issue that you can think about that might get their kids in trouble.
[Whitfield:] All right, very disturbing. Thank you so much. Peter Bergen, I appreciate your time. All right, meantime, police in Kenya have identified one of the suspects in last week's bloody al-Shabaab terror attack on a college campus as the son of a government official. Mean while authorities are also naming a man they say planned the attack that killed more than 147 people, most of them students. Authorities are offering a $250,000 reward for the alleged mastermind, Mohamed Mohamud. CNN David McKenzie joining me right now from Nairobi. So David, what more do we know about this alleged mastermind?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, this mastermind there's also goes by the name Gandarian. This is pretty typical for Somali militant to have several names and nicknames. And it's seems, according to internal documents that CNN has seen that this man is in charge or cross-border incursions from Somali into Kenya to take part in this hideous terror attack that we've seen recently. Obviously most serious this attack on this University in Garissa. But there have been other attacks in recent months, and they've also had the same sort of modus operandi getting people separating the Christians from the Muslims and then killing the Christians in cold blood. And as you say, they have been asked to what they think is through our reporting as well, one potential suspect who was one of those gunmen. He is amazingly, the son we believe of a Kenyan official from northeast Kenya, Abdul Rakman Abdullahi, who it seems was a graduate from Nairobi Law School, which is just close by to my location here and then disappeared into Somalia. This is really fits into the pattern of recruitment from Kenya that I have seen over the years, that Somali-Kenyans and just Kenyan Muslims are susceptible to being recruited by al-Shabaab and then returning to frankly, to their home soil to kill fellow citizen Fredericka.
[Whitfield:] OK. David McKenzie, thanks for that update. Keep us posted. Thank you so much. All right, the latest fighting in Yemen has now claimed the life of an American citizen for the first time, Jahmahl al-abani. Apparently, he left for Yemen two months ago; the country has to send it into heavy sectarian fighting that has claimed more than 500 lives in the last two weeks alone. The International Red Cross is called for ceasefire so those wounded in the fighting can actually get medical help. Nick Valencia has more on the American killed the circumstances that found him in Yemen.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right. People may be wondering what he doing there in the first place. He has a pregnant wife and 2-year-old daughter that live in Eden, Yemen. And he travelled there in February with the intention of bringing both of them back. Just a couple months ago he had secured U.S. passport for that two and a half year old daughter. But in the weeks leading up to his death, there was worsening conditions there on the ground in Yemen. And he was voicing concerns to his family. His cousin told me just a little while ago, Jamal al-Labani, just two days before he died, his planned was to cross the border into Amman, catch a flight to Egypt but he just never made it. About 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday he was leaving prayers on a Mosque with his nephew when he was hit by shrapnel rounder, shrapnel from a mortar strike and he just dies two minutes later.
[Whitfield:] My goodness. And then you spoke with an official at the state department, what they are saying about so many who want to be us to be more involved in getting other American citizens out of Yemen.
[Valencia:] This really as a point of contention for advocates of U.S. citizens in Yemen. Yet many Americans that U.S. State Department is not doing enough. So we reached out to them and asked an official if there were plans to evacuate citizens there in Yemen right now. For now they say in a statement, "that's not the case," they say they encourage all U.S. citizens to shelter in a secure location until they are able to depart safely. They also told me that in the last ten years they've been given at least 24 travel warnings to Yemen. I spoke to Jamal al-Labani 's cousin and this is something that was concerning to him. He says that the U.S. government could have done more to help his cousin and people like him.
[Mohammed Alazzani, Jamal Al-labani's Cousin:] Unfortunately, a lot of people traveled when didn't know the risk, they will hear the news but, I mean, and then looking at it, a month ago, a few months ago, it wasn't as bad as it is today, it has reached hour so as it got really bad then.
[Valencia:] The council on Islamic-American relations says there's a lot more Yemeni-Americans there in Yemen than initially believe.
[Whitfield:] And I wonder since the U.S. personnel has evacuated U.S. troops there, I mean, really, what would the U.S. be able to do in terms of retrieving or getting other Americans out? I mean, physically, there are no means in which to do that, it would seem.
[Valencia:] Even so, these advocates say that they've could do more. What they are specifically wanting, they don't say, but that's really something they just want some help.
[Whitfield:] Yes. They just want some help. Got it. All right.
[Valencia:] They say other smaller governments like Ethiopia, India, Russia, they've evacuated their citizens, the U.S. needs to do more help
[Whitfield:] Why not there. All right, Nick Valencia, thanks so much.
[Valencia:] You got it.
[Whitfield:] All right. Back in this country now, yes, then there were just two, a wild night of March madness in April as the championship game is now set. Andy Scholes is still in Indianapolis Andy.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports Anchor/reporter:] Yes, Fred. Kentucky dreamed of undefeated season is now over and what one of their players did in postgame interviews could land him in some hot water. We'll tell you what he said after the break.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. The full horror of what happened in Paris was captured by a French filmmaker that taped video of this attack unfolding with gunmen in the street shouting, "God is great." He spoke with CNN's Anderson Cooper about this chilling video.
[Martin Boudot, Reporter Documentary Filmmaker:] A colleague of mine was going for a smoke outside and he told us that two persons were standing out and trying to get in. So we heard the very first shots and then more shots right across five or six meters away. And
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Host, A.c. 360:] That close?
[Boudot:] Yes.
[Cooper:] 15, 20 feet or so. Did you know instantly that they were shots?
[Boudot:] No. No, no. At first we just heard shots. We heard screams. And then we tried to get on the roof and
[Cooper:] You ran up to the roof?
[Boudot:] Yeah, we went to the roof and tried to avoid bullets from and try to keep all of the agency safe, like 20 people.
[Baldwin:] That was CNN's Anderson Cooper speaking with a filmmaker, Martin Boudot. Let's take you to, as we've been reporting, nine people in custody here as French investigators and police are searching for these two terrorists. We go live to Atika Shubert in Longpont, France, near where this police raid has taken place. Atika, tell me what you have seen and what police are telling you.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] What we see is a country road going to the village of Longpont, about four kilometers away. This is closest that police will let us get to the village. What we know is that this is where heavily armed police, SWAT teams, have been conducting house-to-house searches earlier today. So far, we have not heard of them finding anything. It's possible the search has been widened to the forested area nearby. This is a large forest, several thousand acres big. So it will take a lot of time to comb through this. But this does seem to be the epicenter of that manhunt as it stands now Brooke?
[Baldwin:] As we await word for police to comb through this forest, let me ask you about this gas station where the two terrorists, these two brothers were reportedly seen earlier. The gas station attendant was threatened. You saw dozens of people there, Atika. Describe that scene.
[Shubert:] That's right. That's less than 12 miles that way. Basically we were at the gas station. That's where, at 10:30 this morning, a gas attendant says the two suspects came, they were armed, and they stole fuel and food and then quickly left. The gas attendant recognizing them, called up the police and let them know. That's how police were alerted to this area and tipped off. Now, when I was there, I saw a forensics van and a number of plain- clothes policemen inside the shop at the gas station looking around the area of the cash register and looking possibly at CCTV footage. We saw a number of cameras outside there. So clearly trying to track down what the suspects were doing there and where perhaps they were going to next. This is just a short distance from that gas station. There's some security analysts that are speculating that they may be trying to take back roads to try and avoid police. In fact, there are checkpoints just a short distance. 10 minutes from here, we passed a checkpoint where they checked all of the cars, looking inside, so they are clearly trying to close the net on the suspects.
[Baldwin:] This is reminding me of being in Boston while they were searching for those two Tsarnaev brothers. Atika Shubert live near the epicenter of this manhunt. Atika, thank you. Meantime, the 23 victims of the "Charlie Hebdo" massacre have not all been identified. Of the 12 people who did die, this is what we know. All of the cartoonists and all of the journalists had forged solid reputations for lampooning the high and mighty, no matter who they were. No target was too taboo. No content too offensive. And they took pleasure at poking religion in the eye and were fearless in the face of threats and attack. The firebombing of "Charlie Hebdo" in November of 2011 emboldened them to be more brazen and more provocative in their pages in the magazine. Georges Wolinski's daughter expressed her sorry with this picture of her father's office, saying I'll translate it for you as you see the picture "Papa is gone, not Wolenski." Kianoush Ramezani is a political cartoonist who ran afoul of the religious authorities in his native Iran. He left Iran I 2009 and now lives in Paris. Kianoush, welcome.
[Kianoush Ramezani, Political Cartoonist:] Thank you very much.
[Baldwin:] I am very sorry for your colleagues who you have lost. I understand you knew several of them. I want to ask you about them. First, I understand you were friends with Coco, the mother, who apparently was threatened and had returned with her child, according to reports, and was with her child when she was threatened to type in this code. Have you been in touch with her? How is she doing?
[Ramezani:] Actually, I guess that she's the first one that I could have access because I only have her number. And as soon as I heard about this terrible problem, I just called her, and she couldn't talk very well, and I just asked if she's OK. That's the only question I could ask. And, yeah, that's all, that's all. And then I seen the name of my friend among the artists who had been killed.
[Baldwin:] I understand you knew Charb as well. Can you tell me about them?
[Ramezani:] I have been with Tignous the last time that we had been together was in September of 2014. We have been participated in one festival and we had a very long and beautiful time together. We exchanged talk about freedom of expression and how tough it is to be an exile. And Tignous was exhorting to us as cartoonists how we are at risk and how we are safe in France.
[Baldwin:] How much
[Ramezani:] That's the phrase that I'll never forget.
[Baldwin:] Wow. How much did that sense of risk worry him on a daily basis?
[Ramezani:] I think they were aware of the risk or the situation they were facing since 2011. I remember, in 2011, I bet met Charb. We participated in a mission, in a television here. I said, you are in high danger, you are at risk, you are in high danger, are you aware of that. He said, no, don't worry, I'm in France. And by the way, I don't have anything to lose so I will continue. And I have my own bodyguards and I'm not in Iran. And he made fun of the subjects.
[Baldwin:] He made fun of the subject. Sounds like they were well aware. He had his own personal protection. Kianoush, this seems to be a galvanizing moment for cartoonists, such as yourself, and journalists and those in favor of freedom of speech. Do you see, as a cartoonist yourself, possible to go too far, whether you are drawing a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad, or of Jesus Christ? At what point is it unacceptable?
[Ramezani:] Well, this is a question of taste. Some cartoonists prefer to draw about prophets and about Jesus and Muhammad. Some cartoonists prefer not to do it. But right now, I think something important happened to us. We are much more about freedom of expression. Since yesterday, I have received more than 100 cartoons from many, many friends and colleagues from all over the world. We are exchanging cartoons about "Charlie," and "Charlie" became a symbol for us. "Charlie" now belongs to the world and belongs to all cartoonists in the world. It's not a French journal at all. And that's the change. I believe that they lost their lives for this value, which is freedom, freedom of expression. And now it's our responsibility to defend it in a way that it should be. We are cartoonists. We are not criminals. And we want to alert society. We want to show the reality to people, to the world. That's what we are what we are for. And I am very, very sad and, at the same time, very, very, very motivated more than before in a way to go too far for freedom of expression. But personally, maybe I will have some different point of view or tastes to my friends who are working with "Charlie Hebdo." I don't care. I support them. Freedom is freedom.
[Baldwin:] I think the magazine recognizes that as well. Despite the bloodshed in their own offices, they'll continue and they'll publish the next magazine next week. Kianoush Ramezani, in Paris tonight. Kianoush, thank you. Next, one question in the wake of all these attacks, should media outlets be showing these satirical cartoons? CNN is choosing not to. Critics are blasting our network and other papers and other outlets as well. Carl Bernstein, Brian Stelter debate this big discussion. We'll be right back.

[Whitfield:] The U.S. Army says it's not going to provide hormone replacement therapy for Bradley Manning. He says he wants to transition from being a man to a woman and plans to change his name to Chelsea, but he'll be doing that from the military prison in Kansas. He's facing a 35-year sentence after being convicted of leaking classified documents to Wikileaks. Our Chris Lawrence has more.
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] The battle lines are drawn. Bradley manning wants hormone therapy and his friends say he needs it.
[Lauren Mcnamara, Friend Of Bradley Manning:] This is a medical necessity.
[Lawrence:] Lauren McNamara chatted online with Manning and testified in his defense. She also transitioned from male the female.
[Mcnamara:] Just because they're in prison, similar to denying them treatment for depression.
[Lawrence:] But the army has never provided hormone replacement therapy to any soldier. Prison officials tell us Manning will wear the standard prison uniform at the all-male Fort Leavenworth and he will not receive the hormones he says he needs to transition to a woman.
[Neal Minahan, Pro-lgbt Attorney:] He would have a better shot in a federal or state prison.
[Lawrence:] Attorney Neil Minahan fought and won the right for one of his clients to get hormones in Massachusetts. State and federal prisons don't have a blanket ban on the therapy like the military. Consistent injections can cost thousands of dollars and taxpayers have been paying for prisoner's therapy for years.
[Minahan:] It can't just be him stating he wants to get this, this medication. It needs to be a prescription.
[Lawrence:] But several military doctors have already diagnosed him with gender identity disorder. While he was deployed to Iraq, Manning e-mailed this foe toy to his sergeant and described wanting to live as a woman.
[Mcnamara:] This was often pushed aside because the unit was underpowered.
[Lawrence:] So Manning stayed in Iraq and later became the man behind the largest leak of classified material in U.S. history. Legal experts tell us it's that crime and Manning's behavior while being held that will determine whether he's paroled. They don't believe his gender identity issues will be a huge factor. Chris Lawrence, CNN, The Pentagon.
[Whitfield:] All right, Bradley Manning's lawyer says he hopes the army will do the right thing and provide his client with hormone replacement therapy. If not, the lawyer says he'll do what he can to force the army to pay. Let's bring in our legal guys, Avery Friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor in Cleveland, and Richard Herman, a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joining us from Las Vegas. All right, Gentlemen, good to see you both. OK, so let's talk about in what way federal taxpayer dollars could pay for this. Whether it be the military decide OK, it will happen while in a military prison or federal prison. Avery, what's at issue here? Where he would serve his time or who would pay for this hormone therapy or both?
[Avery Friedman, Civil Rights Attorney:] Yes, he's going to serve his time no matter what although ironically with good behavior and giving credit for his time in, he could be out in seven years from now. I don't know if it will happen, but the big difference is that under federal law, at least if he were a civilian, there would be a so- called Article 3 making those decisions. Here, it's governed under Article 2, the military itself. It is there a right. The case is unprecedented because there is no case in American history when it comes to military law that would afford him this and he has what they call gender dysphoria. It is a condition, but he argued that during this trial, what does this have to do with leaking documents. The judge was right. It's got nothing to do with anything. He's not going to get treatment. He'll going to get counseling.
[Whitfield:] Avery, you used the operative word there, you say no precedence in military, I guess prison, but there is some in other jurisdictions, Richard, so will it boil down to whether he should be in a federal institution some other institution than that of a military one in order for him to get this therapy?
[Richard Herman, Criminal Defense Attorney:] I don't know why it's going to boil down to that. He's going to be in Fort Leavenworth. There was one instance in Massachusetts where a federal judge directed it for a civilian, but here, let's face it. He was convicted of six counts of violation of the espionage act, but illegally acquiring and transferring confidential information. He was sentenced to 35 years in prison, Fred. Now, I have clients in federal facilities who are complaining of federal facilities and it takes six months to get them to the infirmary. I got clients that are on Lipitor, statins and can't get them for like ten months. It's absurd. Some of these cases we cover, this is beyond insanity. There's no way that taxpayers are going to pay $100,000 for a gender transformation for this guy while he's in prison. If he wants to be Chelsea, he can practice all he wants in Fort Leavenworth. Then when he gets out, he can have the operation and he can pay for it.
[Whitfield:] The issue has to be why now. Why wouldn't this be addressed long before trial? Long before sentencing? Why now? Why would his request be made now when the argument will be this is something you could have done long ago, right?
[Herman:] He argued at trial that it was a defense. He said there was a connection. When he puts that wig and lipstick on, the guy's a dead ringer for Tonya Harding, isn't he? It didn't work. It was a silly defense, frankly. But again, understand the argument that it somehow impaired his ability to think correctly. It didn't work then. It's not going to work now. I think it's going absolutely nowhere.
[Whitfield:] OK, all right, well, we're going to talk to you again. We got another case to talk about, a very serious matter in about 15 minutes. We're going to talk about a case of assisted suicide and it has a lot of people talking and a lot of people feeling like they can see themselves in a very similar situation. And that includes a woman who says all she wanted to do was relieve her terminally ill dad of his suffering, so now, she's facing up to ten years in prison for allegedly handing him a vial of morphine. We're going to talk about that when we come back, Richard and Avery and everybody else.

[Blitzer:] U.S. officials described him as a Tunisian, a key money man for ISIS, but still questions over the importance of the commander known as Abu Sayyaf. He was killed over the weekend during a raid in eastern Syria. This graphic from the Rand Corporation published in "The New York Times" gives you a sense of how ISIS makes money. Most of the terror group's funds come from extortion or taxes. A smaller portion from the sale of oil and kidnapping for ransom operations. Let's discuss this and more, the impact of Abu Sayyaf's death, what will be the impact on ISIS finances. Joining us, our national security analyst, Juliette Kayyem; and our CNN contributor, the co- author of the book "ISIS, Inside the Army of Terror," Michael Weiss. Juliette, you wrote an excellent article on CNN.com saying the death of Abu Sayyaf represents, in your words, "a good kill." Tell us why?
[Juliette Kayyem, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, look, I think everyone agrees no single death is going to end is. They are so flat- lined and think about succession plans so we shouldn't say it's done now that we got him. Everyone knows that. An important aspect of how the White House disclosed information or actually, more specifically, the Department of Defense was to make it clear to is that we have intelligence agents or we have people close to them who are disclosing the whereabouts of mid-level leaders or high leaders. I think part of what happened this weekend was that administration wanted to sort of mess with ISIS'head and we call that propaganda, saying we're in there, we are getting intelligence from your own people, and the goal of that is to make them all so paranoid they actually either go after each other or begin to focus on themselves. It's an old cold war intelligence tactic and I think it's part of what happened this weekend.
[Blitzer:] What's your assessment, Michael?
[Michael Weiss, Cnn Contributor & Author:] I agree with everything Julie said but a bit of stature inflation for Abu Sayyaf. The idea he was the chief financial officer of ISIS, I wrote a book on these guys, most of the analysts that study ISIS, a lot of people inside ISIS, either hadn't heard of him or heard of him but thought of him as a marginal or mid-level commander. The minister of the minister of finance is called Abu Salah. If he's the minister of finance, how does this guy become the CFO? I think the aspect to focus on, apart from the idea of black population, that's how we have to play it against ISIS because they played against us in a direct fashion. But the real value, I'm told, and it's been reported by "ABC News" as well as my colleague at "The Daily Beast," this guy played an integral role in the capture of hostages, particularly Kayla Mueller, the last held by ISIS, confirmed killed by ISIS. There's an emotional payback element of this, too. The president authorized this mission. He wanted to capture Abu Sayyaf alive, bring him back to the United States, and probably have him stand trial, sort of a public reckoning with the fact that these guys have gone after American civilians. It's an important step in this coalition effort, raids against the mid-level target that result in the collection and confiscation of silence that lead to higher targets, we did this in Iraq innumerable times. And in Syria, a guy responsible for running jihadis into Iraq from Syria to kill soldiers. I've had credible information that that wasn't the only time a Special Operations force went into Syria before the Syrian revolution kicked off in 2011. The idea is this might inaugurate further raids in Syria and Iraq by U.S. forces for exactly this purpose of discombobulating the ISIS senior command.
[Blitzer:] And, Juliette, we know Abu Sayyaf's real name, Fathi ben Awn ben Jildi Murad al-Tunisi. Is that a big deal, now that his identity has been revealed?
[Kayyem:] It is just for intelligence purposes and for even sort of more traditional law enforcement purposes. Just simply having the accurate name if it is the accurate name is all investigations are you have the bull's eye, concentric rings around the people affiliated him, people that may have known him, people that may have worked with him, to simply just get what we might call intelligence atmospherics about him. That is also particularly true for his wife who is alive. We had the same issue with the bin Laden wives. What do you do the wives? Some are more culpable than others. They're all guilty. What you'll see is intensive interrogation, a return to her native country and probably not hear from her much. We do not want to make her any sort of martyr or victim or kidnapping victim. Just let them go away.
[Blitzer:] Michael, he identifies himself as al Tunisi, the Tunisian. What does that mean as far as the fact other than he's originally from Tunisia?
[Weiss:] Tunisian is the one country that the so-called foreign fighters who populates the ranks of ISIS at the mid or lower levels come from, so that doesn't surprise me. But most of the people in the senior command are typically from Iraq. As you pointed out in the prior block, a lot of them have backgrounds in Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime. This guy didn't, obviously.
[Blitzer:] Michael Weiss, Juliette Kayyem, thank you very much. Thieves in London pulled off a $300 million heist. Police have made arrests. We'll tell you what has happened.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Next, a major blow to the NSA spying program. Does today's ruling prove Edward Snowden's case?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] It is just an absolutely scathing rejection of the NSA program that the government has defended.
[Tapper:] Plus, was Rick Santorum right?
[Rick Santorum, Former U.s. Senator:] Gender doesn't matter anymore. Why does number matter?
[Tapper:] Does a new legal case show gay marriage opened the door to legalizing polygamy? And Google's robot army. And it won't be a small one. Good evening. I'm Jake Tapper in for Erin Burnett. We're following a developing story out of Madison, Wisconsin right now. A Delta airlines flight 385 has slipped off the runway at Dane County regional airport. You are looking at the phone we just received a photo from our affiliate, WISC. You can see how snowy it is in Madison tonight. The incident occurred as the plane was taxiing. There are, thankfully, no reported injuries at this time. And the passengers are being bused to the terminal for their safety. We will continue to follow the story and bring you an update as soon as we have it. Our other top story tonight, a major blow to the NSA's spying. A judge has ruled that the spy agency's both collection of millions of Americans phone and e-mail records is likely unconstitutional. We are going to talk about this with the senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin. The actual specific criticism is that the data mining program revealed by NSA leaker Edward Snowden who actually issued this response, saying, quote, "today, a secret program authorized by a secret court, was, when it exposed to the light of day found to violate Americans' rights. It is the first of many." But a justice department spokesman say quote "we believe the program is constitutional as previous judges have found." Still, they say the ruling is being studied. CNN's senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin is here. as I said Jeff, this ruling is limited. It only applies to this specific case, but are there long-term ramifications.
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] Well, that remains to be seen. But it's certainly nothing but bad news for the NSA today. The ruling, as you say, only applies to the two individuals who brought the case. And the NSA can no longer collect data on them. Plus, the judge himself, Richard Leon, who is, by the way, a George W. Bush appointee and a well-known conservative on the bench, he says I'm going to stay, I'm going to put my order on hold while the government appeals. So, the government program is still operating as we speak, but now there is a real political and legal problem for the Obama administration what to do now.
[Tapper:] And as you heard earlier in the day when you and I were discussing this with Ben Wisener of the ACLU, civil libertarians are arguing this is what happens when an open court discusses these things as opposed to a private FISA court. Do you think that this means, the NSA, will ultimately have to make any changes or not?
[Toobin:] It certainly seems possible. Remember, tomorrow President Obama is meeting with a group of tech executives from Google, from Yahoo, from Facebook, all the big companies who are not happy with this program either. They want changes made. The combination of this court ruling, the corporate unhappiness, some of our allies unhappiness, it certainly seems like there might be some changes in this program that would respond to those criticisms, but it is also true that national Security is a very powerful interest in this country. And there are going to be a lot of resistance to changes. So, the president and no one but the president is going to have to resolve these competing pressures.
[Tapper:] Jeffrey Toobin, thank you so much. Of course, the president will discuss some of these issues tomorrow at the White House with some top tech executives who are visiting. Republican versus Republican on Capitol Hill. The bipartisan budget bill that easily passed through the House last week is now running into opposition in the Senate. So far, there are not yet on the record. The 50 votes needed to pass this bill, not to mention the 60 votes needed to begin voting. Still, the deal is expected to pass, but it's already it caused a big split within the Republican party. Last week House speaker John Boehner chided conservatives groups who opposed the bill. And on Sunday, deal maker, Congressman Paul Ryan, weighed in on the internal GOP spam.
[Rep. Paul Ryan , House Budget Committee Chairman:] I think John has got his Irish up. He was frustrated that these groups came out in opposition to our budget agreement before we reached a budget agreement. I was frustrated too, but I think these are very important elements of our conservative family. I would prefer to keep those discussions within the family.
[Tapper:] Matt Kibbe is the president and CEO of FreedomWorks, one of the conservative groups that opposes this budget deal. William Kristol is editor of the "Weekly Standard," Paul Begala is a Democratic strategist and CNN political commentator. Bill, I'll start with you. Is speaker Boehner right? Should these fights be kept within the family, not publicly? And should conservative groups wait to see the deal before they criticize?
[William Kristol, Editor, The Weekly Standard:] Look. In a free country, people speak out, and conservatives don't agree on everything. And that they agree on this deal. But I think one argument for the deal is to let's have this little spat now. It's going to pass the Senate, I think, tomorrow or Wednesday. Let's get it over with so conservatives can unite and go after the thing that's really ruining America, which is Obamacare.
[Tapper:] Paul, I will let you talk about that in one second. But Matt, I want to get to you. I mean, very clearly, John Boehner has expressed very serious frustration, two days in a row. It wasn't just getting his Irish up just once. It was the entire Ireland. He's talking about your group, he is talking about other groups. What do you think of that?
[Matt Kibbe, President, Ceo, Freedomworks:] Well, I think it's a little disingenuous to go after us for expressing opinions about a deal that was on a very fast track. The challenge has always been in these last minute budget deals to understand what's in there before members vote, before
[Tapper:] Paul, there are also progressive Democrats, Liberal Democrats, who have refused to say how they're going to vote on this and who don't want to because it doesn't include extending an informant insurance benefits. They don't like other provisions in it. How many Democrats do you think are going to vote against this?
[Paul Begala, Cnn Political Contributor:] I think against it? Very, very few, almost none. I think almost all the Democrats will be for it. And here's why. Because it's not a great deal, but it's a deal. And it's a good deal. And frankly, it's a good deal for both sides. Bill wants to go fight about Obamacare. And frankly, I think Democrats are already fight back on that. That's fine. It finally allows us to get back to regular order, right? So that we won't have government shutdowns. It does enshrine, actually, the Democrats don't like it. They are trying to many of those freely, clumsy and stupid cuts that were in the sequester which was never intended to be public policy. It was supposed to be a threat, a doomsday device that sadly came into being. So, they want to get out from under some of that and on national security as well which is getting some Republican votes for it. My question, I guess is, what deal would you take? What deal would the right take?
[Tapper:] That's a decent question. I want to play some of I asked Paul Ryan about the deal last week. And here's what he had to say.
[Ryan:] We're basically passing an agreement that we can pass that we can agree to. There are a lot of things not in the agreement that people wanted in the agreement. And that's just the way, you know, it compromise and common ground works.
[Tapper:] Democrats control the Senate, Democrats control the White House. Something needs to pass to fund the government. This is Paul Ryan's argument. And it's a lot easier to say no and be a purity Republican than actually accomplished something. How do you respond to that argument?
[Kibbe:] Well, I think the compromised position was the sequester that we were promised in 2011 for $2 trillion increases of debt. And the president supported it, and the Democrats supported it and the Republicans supported it. What they have done is unwind that last promise for another long-term promise to do something in the tenth year. The tenth year never comes. So I think our compromised position was let's settle for this sequester. Nobody likes it. If nobody like it is in Washington, it must be doing something good.
[Tapper:] Bill, I know you hated the sequester, so go ahead.
[Kristol:] Well, I just think it cuts defense way disproportionately. The Obama White House proposed the sequester. It is a little off and deserves Republicans fall in love with it and they proposed it with widely disproportion of cause in the defense. But I understand
[Tapper:] It was never meant to actually happen. It was to be a threat.
[Kristol:] Right. Fine. But that make it is to me a little that's why I'm not one of those Republicans who fell in love with it and decided it was the best thing to do. I don't, you know, that are those that is their sincere relief and I don't far with people voted against it. It got more than two-thirds of the vote on House Republicans. A lot of those conservative Republicans who did on cutting spending and perhaps that spending is soundly for the last two years decided that a little relief in the short term, trade off minor entitlement reform and relief for defense. And above all, getting this off the table so we don't have Republicans fighting Republicans for the next year so we can focus on
[Tapper:] Yes, say it.
[Kristol:] Obamacare.
[Tapper:] This time, I will let Paul weigh in. Obamacare. You actually think by November 2014, Obamacare is going to be a winner for the democrat party? Nancy Pelosi told me that last week.
[Begala:] If they fight. You can't win a fight you're not engaged OR AS John McCain like to say, a fight not engage, a fight not enjoy. I think Democrats will enjoy this because the computer and the rollout have been a disaster. It has been awful. And I would never defend that. Here's the problem with the Republican position. They don't really have an alternative, so they want to repeal it. And so, Democrats will say, you will hear this million times, Republicans want to take us back to the day when is you can be denied coverage for having a pre-existing conditions, or we can be discriminated against for being a woman. Or you can, of God forbid, your child get sick or insurance can be cut off because of some lifetime limit or annual limit. They will go right back to the parade of horrible that existed before Obamacare and Americans don't like to give up their rights.
[Tapper:] A lot of head shaking here. And we will have all of you back here to discuss Obamacare. Thank you so much. Paul Begala, Bill Kristol and Matt Kibbe, I appreciate it very much. Still to come. A dramatic change to marriage laws in this country. Why a judge says it's now OK to live like a polygamist in Utah. Plus, the latest from the Colorado shooting, the parents of the shooter speak out for the first time. And a FOX News anchor explains her comment about Santa and Jesus, but is her explanation go far enough?

[Cuomo:] Welcome back. This is the man accused of shooting and killing three people at a Jewish community center and nearby retirement home in Overland Park, Kansas. He's a 73-year-old former Ku Klux Klan leader and in custody. Reports describe him as a life long anti-Semite. The shootings coming in the eve of the Jewish holiday Passover. CNN's George Howell is live in Overland Park. The odd part here, George, he has been active on social media in recent years, right?
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris, a long history of hate. You know, it was supposed to be another Sunday for people here. It was a group of teenagers packed into this community center, auditioning for a play and singing competition at a nearby retirement home. Folks just enjoying the afternoon. They were all potential targets for this man armed with weapons filled with hate.
[Unidentified Male:] There's a guy with a rifle here shooting at people. I'm leaving.
[Unidentified Female:] Why, is he still here?
[Unidentified Male:] I don't know.
[Howell:] On the eve of Passover, a lone gunman opens fire at two different Jewish facilities near Kansas City.
[Unidentified Male:] They were described as panic.
[Howell:] Panic, fear and confusion. Dr. William Lewis Corporon and his 14-year-old grandson, Reat Griffin Underwood, both gunned down at a Jewish community center, where many teens have been taking part in rehearsals and auditions.
[Unidentified Male:] We thought it was weather at first.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, there were people ducking down inside and people yelling at us to get inside.
[Howell:] Moments later, another victim is shot and killed at Village Shalom, a retirement community about a mile away. Police arrested Frazier Glenn Cross at a nearby elementary school. As he's being taken away, he shouts a neo-Nazi slogan. Cross now faces charges of premeditated murder. Police say the suspect also known as Glenn Miller has ties to white supremacists. He apparently has his own Web site and the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as a longtime anti-Semite. A police chaplain was told by witnesses Cross seemed chilling, deliberate.
[Unidentified Male:] He's an older gentleman, asking people if before he thought if they were Jewish or not. This sounds like very much a hate crime.
[Howell:] Last night, just hours after the shooting, this powerful moment at a vigil.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm the daughter of that gentleman who was killed and I'm the mother of the son who was killed.
[Howell:] You can hear the emotion in the crowd as she shares her last words with her father and son. As you heard in the report, he went around asking people if they were Jewish, targeting people in that regard. We do expect to learn more about Cross later today, as he is due in court Chris, Kate.
[Cuomo:] He wound up killing two people who weren't Jewish. Just a stupid act no matter what his intentions were. Just a stupid act by a person who now hopefully is going to get to pay for it.
[Bolduan:] A horrible, but just hearing that mother's strength is almost makes you break up. It's difficult to listen to. George, thanks very much. We're going to continue to talk about this throughout the show and shed the light on the victims and try to figure out what could possibly motivate this because, you can probably understand, makes sense. Let's move over to Indra Petersons now to a track a check of the forecast, how's it looking. It was beautiful here this weekend, Indra, how's it looking elsewhere?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Beautiful in the Northeast, but unfortunately, the severe weather was out there. We have reports, five reports of tornadoes actually towards Idaho, Oklahoma, even Texas. And today, that severe weather risk is still out there. You can see the risk farther to the east stretching from Birmingham, all the way back down to New Orleans. Even this morning, we're looking at that threat for severe weather as that frontal system continues to progress further off to the east. Today, more on the Southeast, spreading into the Northeast by tomorrow. Look at the back fire here. You are talking about snow, snow out by New York City by tomorrow night. Chicago today looking for light flurries. You can see high pressure buildings in which means more cold air from Canada, once again feels like winter for a couple days. Take a look at the heavy rain first. So, definitely the flooding threat will be out there. Several inches into the Southeast, and then by tomorrow, spreading into the Northeast by overnight tonight. But here we go this is the snow we're talking about. Out for Chicago, yes, it was a beautiful weekend. That is long gone as even a couple inches are expected towards upstate New York as the system makes its way through. Let's talk about the temperatures, shall we? Above normal, almost 80 degrees out towards in D.C. today but notice about 20 degrees below normal behind the cold front. So, what happens, the cold air spreads farther to the East. We all start to drop farther down tomorrow. St. Louis, about 17 degrees below normal by tomorrow, and then, of course, by Wednesday, it's back into the Northeast. We're talking about a 30 degree temperature change in the northeast. By Wednesday, that cold air is here, going to feel like winter again. We do have is a lunar eclipse, the best time and place to see it, Midwest. Of course, the storm is here. Looks like tonight, 3:46 in the morning if you want to check it out. I'll be awake, I can see it.
[Bolduan:] That will be beautiful to see. Always beautiful. Thanks, Indra.
[Cuomo:] I'd rather be asleep. We're going to take a break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, the pinger locator is out, search teams are pulling back from the hunt for debris. It is now all about the submersible, the Bluefin 21 right now diving into the bottom of the Indian Ocean looking for Flight 370.
[Bolduan:] And violence break out in Ukraine this morning. Is the country on the verge of civil war? The former ambassador to NATO will be joining us to talk about if there's any hope for diplomacy.

[Costello:] Recovery efforts have begun in the Java Sea. Two bodies have been found along with some wreckage from the plane. The black boxes have not been found but crews are very hopeful they'll be found soon. Let's talk more about this search-and-recovery effort. I'm joined by CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest and Lieutenant Colonel Kent Christensen he's an aviation consultant and commercial pilot. Thanks so much. Thanks to both of you for being here. Richard, I'll start with you. The bodies and debris were found off the coast of Borneo just about six miles from the last known position of the plane. What does that tell investigators?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] It tells us it suggests and the lieutenant colonel will have more experience of actually doing it on the ground. It suggests, of course, that the plane came out of the sky pretty much intact because it's a fairly tightly-controlled, tightly-limited debris field. And that's both that makes it a lot easier in many ways to find firstly those who perished but also the wreckage.
[Costello:] Also the wreckage. What does the wreckage field tell you, Colonel? Because they only found an emergency door exit floating on top of the water and some life jackets and, of course, a few bodies but nothing else as far as we know so far.
[Lt. Col. Kent Christensen, Aviation Consultant:] I think it's important to look at the debris field. The debris field initially you want to see how concentrated it is. If it's very concentrated, that's going to point towards the total aircraft going into the water. If the debris field is spread out then that is pointing towards a possible in-flight breakup. One of the things you want to see I understand they recovered two bodies. My question would be are the bodies clothed or are they not clothed? Again, not clothed pointing towards an in-flight breakup; the air could shred the clothes off the victims and if they're clothed in the water then it points again towards the airplane going down in the water. So as a whole vehicle
[Costello:] As far as we know and we've examined the video footage that we have one of the bodies we know was found not clothed. It's just so difficult to talk about but I hear you. The bodies that were recovered, they were also not wearing life jackets so that probably tells you, Richard, whatever happened, happened very quickly.
[Quest:] Oh, no question. We can pretty much say and maybe the lieutenant colonel agrees with me we can pretty much say that whatever happened was fast and it was dramatic and certainly no chance either for maydays, for major rescues to try and recover the aircraft and certainly no opportunities for people to be putting on life jackets. We'll be looking to see, for instance, at what point there was a decompression of the aircraft as it came down, did it break up at all in the air, whether it had any oxygen masks becoming deployed all those sort of things. But I think this is really skating around the point which is that this was a dramatic, catastrophic incident which took the plane out of the air with tremendous force and rapidity.
[Costello:] Would that mean then you know, there was that two-minute lapse right. The pilot asking air traffic controllers, you know, I want to ascend so I can escape this storm and this turbulence. Two minutes go by, air traffic control tries to contact the pilot again, no response. So does it seem feasible that whatever happened, happened shortly after that initial response with air traffic controllers?
[Quest:] Absolutely. That seems entirely possible. Two minutes is not a huge gap. It's a long time but the pilots will have known that air traffic control either has forgotten his request and he has to go back and ask for it again or that he's trying to move other air traffic about. The fact that the controller approved the diversion but didn't approve the ascent tells us that he knew he wasn't able to go. And the pilot will have known, well, there must be somebody up there above me that I can't go there.
[Costello:] Do you think it will be fairly easy, Colonel, to find the black boxes?
[Christensen:] I'm very confident they're going to find black boxes. The water is relatively shallow. They have a very concentrated search area now. And it's just going to be a matter of time before they do recover those. And they should be in fairly good condition. I would like to make one point, what Richard is talking about. Two minutes in flight when the pilot is talking to a controller to deviate, that's it seems like a short period of time but the plane is going approximately eight miles a minute, six to eight miles a minute, so that's almost 20 miles, 18 miles to deviate. So what we typically do here in the U.S. is if the plane is in danger, the pilot has the authority to change direction first and then tell the controller what they're doing and so the controller's responsibility under radar control is to separate the other aircraft from it. So that could be a cultural difference, just from the region; it could be communication issues or whatever but the captain was fairly experienced with 20,000 hours and 6,000 hours in type.
[Costello:] So Colonel, from the air traffic control perspective, that two minutes, they had at least six planes around the area from what I can remember. Would it take the two full two to tell those planes either to, I don't know, slightly adjust their course so that this flight could ascend?
[Christensen:] It is and the aircraft are separated by a thousand feet. If planes are on the same line flying, they're separated vertically by a thousand feet and so when these planes are doing this, the plane underneath can go left or right and the plane up top can go left or right. They might have other traffic routes near them, but they do have room to move around and you have room to make a u-turn. If you have a wall of weather that you know is going to destroy your airplane you can make a u-turn in the air and get away from that. That's another possibility, another out for the pilot.
[Quest:] And also, to advance on what the colonel is saying, there's no indication from that request that there's an urgency about it. He's not said in the request "I have a really nasty thunderstorm that could well break up the aircraft in front of me. I'm declaring an emergency. I need to climb to 38,000 feet now." He said he's requested to go to flight level 3-8-0. Well the air traffic controller says, right, got a question from 8501 to go up there, he can't go up there. Let's see if we can move him there, hold him there, move this one over there." So this is normal air traffic control. Until somebody says "I need it and I need it now" everything else is just, well, let's see what we can do and if we can't you have to stay where you are.
[Costello:] The black boxes will tell us a lot about that. I wanted to ask you about this CEO of AirAsia.
[Quest:] He's been speaking in the last hour or two, Tony Fernandes taking questions, refusing to speculate but once again making it absolutely clear that he's the CEO of the company, the buck stops with him. And he's spending his time with the families, with them explaining, helping and providing that which is necessary and most crucially saying to everybody this morning "I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. We will provide whatever is necessary." Tony is one of those CEOs who this is his first major accident and you can tell.
[Costello:] Richard Quest, Lieutenant Colonel, thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate it. Still to come, the passengers aboard AirAsia Flight 8501 have their stories and so do the passengers who never showed up for that flight.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] We're going to return to our breaking news coverage of the mass stabbing at a high school outside of Pittsburgh in just a few minutes, but we've also got another major story developing this hour. Just when the hopes were fading right alongside those batteries that were fading on the black-box pingers, we've got two new sets of pings that have been detected and it's prompted this rather stunning announcement about the search for Flight 370.
[Angus Houston, Joint Agency Coordination Center:] I'm now optimistic that we will find the aircraft or what's left of the aircraft in the not too distant future.
[Banfield:] The same Australian ship and United States listening equipment that detected pings twice over the weekend, well, they detected the pings again, or at least sounds that were certainly consistent with the pings, and it was on two separate occasions yesterday. The now four encounters came within 17 miles of one another. The new signals slightly weaker than the first signals, albeit, and this time only one telltale pulse, not the two as you'd expect if you're looking for separate pingers on both the plane's flight-data and the cockpit- voice recorders. And still, after 33 days, there is no physical trace of the Boeing 777 or anything inside it that has turned up. Today, 15 different aircraft, 14 different ships, all of them crisscrossing the search area that authorities have greatly reduced now as their confidence seems to have grown. And, once more, I turn to my CNN colleague Will Ripley who is in Perth live at this hour. Will, this the time yesterday we were hearing how vital it was to just reacquire the signals, but there had been a long silence. They were picked up, then it seemed they were lost, but now the reacquisition's happened. And we just heard this normally very reserved Australian search coordinator has changed his tune somewhat. He made a pretty bold prediction. Has this search been completely re-energized?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Yeah, absolutely, Ashleigh, and you're right. It was striking to a lot of us who have listened to Angus Houston, day in and day out, use so much caution, caution, by the way, that he's still using, simply because, as you pointed out, there's no physical evidence, nothing tangible yet, no piece of Flight 370 that's been spotted or recovered in the Indian Ocean. But what we do have is now four pings, and they're going to continue listening as long as they can to try to zero in on the location, because each time they hear a ping, they can get a better idea of where these data recorders might be. And that's when they're the next step would be to actually deploy the submersible and go down and take a look. But they're definitely not there yet, Ashleigh. They want to keep listening as long as those black boxes are potentially emitting those signals.
[Banfield:] And just quickly, Will, yesterday, you and I were speaking live at this very hour, and as it turns out, when we were having a conversation about the deafening silence that these teams were experiencing, they actually were not. They actually were detecting things. It just takes a while for them to get that information to us. It seems it takes them 12 hours, which makes me ask you about right now. It's 12:30 Eastern time, here in America. It's 12:30 at night, your time. I'm sure it's the exact question you're wondering, if they're actually making detections as we speak?
[Ripley:] Absolutely. And, you know, we are on the phone around the clock getting updates. What we've noticed is they're holding these press conferences. They're calling them with relatively short notice when they have something to announce. So, when we heard there was going to be another press conference, we all had a pretty good idea there would be something to announce, and sure enough, we learned two more pings. One thing that was really striking, too, Ashleigh, you know there are preparations under way here in Perth to accommodate the families if they choose to fly here. Angus Houston, he said, when these families come, they will be looked after. He used the word when, not if, and that's the first time that he's spoken with such confidence the families will be coming here.
[Banfield:] And the confidence we expect to find this plane within a matter of days, that's some language that, you know, you just don't use when you are a man of his ilk. Will Ripley, as always, terrific work. Thank you for that, and report back to us the minute you hear if they're hearing anything. And, by the way, even if the search teams are closer than ever to the remains of MH-370, the last two-and-a-half miles of this journey is certainly going to be the hardest. That's how deep, give or take, the ocean is where those pings are being picked up, and tracing them back takes a whole lot of know-how and probably a pretty serious amount of luck as well. I'm joined now by CNN's meteorologist Chad Myers in Atlanta and, from Boston, Tom Altshuler, who's the v.p. and general manager of Teledyne Marine System. That's the company that makes and designs undersea communications gear, including the pingers and also the pinger detectors. All right, Chad, I want to start with you. Will Ripley was telling us about effectively what we have. We've got four hit zones, but they're 17 miles apart, and they seem to me, you know, the neophyte in this game, to be in a very strange pattern. Can you help us make sense why they would be so disparate and in such a strange shape?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] We assume, you know, just from the layperson, we look at the pinger, we think, oh, it's going to ping just like a bell. It's going to go everywhere. It's going to go in every direction. That may not be the case because of the ocean floor. We know the ocean floor is a little bit rugged here. We also know that it's made of muck. Thousands, millions of years of fish number two, scales, whatever, food has fallen down here and made a very mucky bottom. So when this pinger hit the ground, did it stay up on top? Probably not. Did it tumble down into a little crevice? Probably. Did it settle down into the muck even more? Yes, sure, probably. So rather than a ping that looks like this and goes all directions, omni-directional, it probably is more like a cone here. And so when you pull the pinger locator through this, you might miss it. But also it could mean echoes off some of this topography, where this it wouldn't be a cone that goes straight up. It may go to the side a little bit if it's bouncing off some topography here. It may go to that side. And so the 17 miles is more of a factor of, you know I don't like the fact that it's 17 miles, but if this thing is still pinging loudly, here's what we have. We have these ships that are dragging themselves across. We have to understand, too, Ashleigh, that this cord is two-and-a-half miles long. It's like trying to catch a fish. You've got a tuna on the other end of your line, but you've got a two-and-a-half miles worth of fishing line out there. Where is that tuna? It could be wiggling back and forth back through here because of the currents under the water. It had a very long two-and-a-half hour ping right through the middle, I believe, but then it had a shorter ping as it turned around. It takes a long time for this ship to turn around, almost three hours to turn around, reeling in its receiver, sending it back out, and then it made a smaller slice through a different part of this cone or of this ping. And that's why we didn't see as much of the ping the second time around even though it was only about six or eight hours later.
[Banfield:] You make perfect sense. It's also remarkable that it is such an imperfect science, after all. This is the best of the best equipment, and yet, it is just so I don't know, it seems so rudimentary. Hold on for a second, Chad. I want to bring in Tom Altshuler for a second. Tom, I heard you say last night during this live news conference about the silt that Chad was talking about on the ocean floor and how it could be playing havoc not only with the pinging, but also with the wreckage. Some people are of the conviction that the wreckage could actually be swallowed by that muck. But I think it was you said who said, Maybe not. Maybe it's more like sediment on top of volcanic rock. What is your prediction of where this of this particular area, what might that ocean floor really look like?
[Thomas Altshuler, Teledyne Marine Systems:] That's a little hard to tell. I don't really know a lot about the ocean floor in that particular area. But typically in the deep ocean, you know, you have muck. But it's very common to put instruments down 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 meters in the ocean and have them sit on the bottom comfortably. So thinking that everything would just get swallowed up is probably unlikely, but you will have some material that goes into the muck if there's a lot of muck there. With a complex [inaudible] like you expect or the terrain that you expect down there, it's unknown how things will really look until you get down with a side-scan sonar.
[Banfield:] And when the director of this search said that he thinks we're going to find this plane in a matter of days, does that mean that the AUVs, those autonomous robotic vehicles, are probably being launched, either today or tomorrow? How could you possibly find it in a matter of days when those things aren't in the water yet?
[Altshuler:] No, they would need to put those in the water pretty quickly. If you think about it, what they're going to do next is take the area that has been laid out. You know, you have a relatively large area that's been laid out, 17 miles, and they're going to start doing what's called mowing the lawn. And so if you think about a lawn mower, it cuts a swath through an area and then you turn around and cut another swath. They'll do with that the sonars. Those swaths are only hundreds of meters wide, and so it will take a long time back and forth to really get an image. And so, you start doing a calculation on that and you're looking at days to go and really image the bottom there.
[Banfield:] Tom Altshuler, great to see you. Thank you for the insight on this particularly optimistic day. I'll just saying. And, Chad Myers, as always, you make the very complex seem very understandable. Our appreciation, thank you. I want to return in a moment now to this breaking news out of Pennsylvania. Listen, these kids who came to the hospital were telling the doctors they didn't see it coming, and they didn't see whoever stabbed them going, either. Such crowded confusion, kids were stabbed without even knowing who did it. We're going to give you the details in a moment.

[Kristie Lu Stout, Cnn:] And welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet. Now Kenyans mourn the day after a horrific attack on a university kills 147 people. China formally charges its former security chief Zhou Yongkang, the biggest name yet to be caught in an anti-corruption drive. And on this day in 2010 the original iPad went on sale. Five years on, we look at why sales are slipping. We begin in the Kenyan town of Garissa where more details have emerged about the massacre at the university there. It began early on Thursday morning. Al Shabaab militants set off a bomb at the school gate and started shooting their way onto the campus. Now first, they stormed a Christian prayer service, and then they burst into dormitories, waking up terrified students. Now witnesses say the attackers gunned down non-Muslims and spare the others. A medic tells CNN that most victims were shot in the back of the head. Let's get more now from ENCA correspondent Robyn Kriel who is in Nairobi. And Robyn, why did this happen? Why did al Shabaab attack a university?
[Robyn Kriel, Enca Correspondent:] Well, according to al Shabaab spokesman Mohammed Ragga. He said that the reason that they decided to attack a university in northeastern Garissa is because they accused it of preaching Christianity as well as being a place of infidelity. However, the main reason time and time again that al Shabaab has used for attacking various institutions, soft targets such as shopping malls, as you saw in the Westgate attack in 2013, small villages. We've seen them attacking bars, throwing hand grenades into crowded restaurants, things like that is that they want the Kenyan defense forces to withdraw their troops from Somalia. Kenya sent its troops across the border into Somalia in 2011 using article United Nations article charter 54 as reference to that to protect one's borders. Since then it's joined the African Union force currently battling the al Shabaab militancy trying to instill peace in that country and a legitimate federal government.
[Lu Stout:] And Robyn, why Garissa. What make this town particularly vulnerable to a terror attack?
[Kriel:] Well, the town is just a few miles from the border with Somalia. There is an enormous ethnic Somali Kenyan population there. So Shabaab really if they were to they would be easily able to assimilate into that society. However, it is quite a closed society. I've been there several times. Everyone seems to know each other. So, an attack like this must have had to have been well planned and kept very secret. Why exactly this specific town, the university, as I said, the spokesperson saying it was a place of infidelity. Al Shabaab does not advocate higher learning, especially that of women in its Sharia law in its constitution of sorts. Teaching, especially of women, as I said. And of course this university would be the center of learning, of education, of everything that Shabaab fundamentally stands against.
[Lu Stout:] And Robyn, this attack it puts security in Kenya under fresh scrutiny now. How capable is the Kenyan government to protect and to safeguard its own people?
[Kriel:] Well, I believe these vulnerabilities were exposed, Kristie, in 2013 and there had been sort of a belief in most people who lived here that the Kenyan security services were able to that they had very good intelligence, that they were able to withstand a possible terror attack, that they would have knowledge of this beforehand. However, cracks in that intelligence apparatus were exposed during the Westgate siege lasting 80 hours in which a lot of misinformation was given. It was quite clear that authorities didn't really know what was going on inside and then eventually sending the military in, which ended up in complete disgrace, really, for the security service when it was exposed that the military had been looting after the rescue operation and indeed the death of the attackers had occured. How safe are people today? There have been a number of warnings given by the American embassy, the UK high commission, Australian, Israeli embassies and various others stating that they believed an attack like this preferably not in so many words, but just for their citizens and embassy staffers to be vigilant over the next few weeks to avoid public areas, to avoid public spaces. The UK high commission even saying that they should avoid the coastline altogether. In terms of security, we're going to have to see a real upsurge, a lot of police presence, which were already due to hit the street this Easter weekend. But of course a tightening down even more.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, and just a moment we'll see the security and police presence in Garissa, in the immediate wake of this terrible attack. Thank you very much indeed for joining us and giving us your view from Nairobi. Thank you, Robyn. Now CNN's Christian Purefoy is live in Garissa. He's outside the university. He joins me now. And what traces of the attack are you seeing there?
[Christian Purefoy, Cnn Correspondent:] Kristie, well it at 5:00 a.m. yesterday morning that the al Shabaab terrorists drove down this dirt track, killed the two policemen standing guard at that gate and went in to the university where over 800 students were waking up to what they hoped, what they thought, was just another normal day. Now we've seen ambulances, we've seen pickups, we've seen security services going up and down this road all day. The university itself is sealed off, we're not allowed in. I have to say even here on the other side of that gate so close is a sense of detachment, Kristie, about the horror and the mass murder that happened there yesterday Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] There's a sense of detachment about what happened. What about a sense of mourning? Have you seen vigils? How is the community coming together to mourn that so many lives lost because of al Shabaab and this terrible massacre that took place yesterday?
[Purefoy:] Well, I think at the moment it's a feeling of just sort of stunned shock, really. You know, we still don't know how many people have died in there. The figure is thought to rise from the 147 we have at the moment. And also it has to be remembered that the students in there didn't all come from just this community, they came from across Kenya. So it's really not just this community that's going to be, you know, coming to terms with what happened behind those gates, Kristie, it's going to be the whole country. There's a lot of people died a lot of people had family members inside the university, Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, as a result of the massacre, security has been ramped up in a very significant way. A curfew has been imposed as well. But what is the long-term security plan here? What do Kenyan authorities pledge to do to better safeguard its people at the university and in Garissa?
[Purefoy:] Well, immediately, Kristie, we have been told that, you know, that the first thing is that they say there were four terrorists that went in there and committed this act and that they have been killed. But they are looking for some sort of mastermind behind this. The problem, Kristie, is that really this is you know, wide open spaces. You have the Somali border about 190 kilometers, about four hour drive down bad dirt roads and about that direction. And it's a long porous border. It's very difficult to stop al Shabaab coming from its stronghold in the rural communities in Somalia. And cross in to these regions and hitting soft targets like this. So, really, you know, what Kenya is going to be able to do, ramp up its security obviously, but I think it's trying to stop it before it happens. But again it's so difficult. These places are vast empty tracts of land that people in pickups can just drive through unnoticed, Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, Christian, thank you very much indeed for mapping out why the area and why that community there is so vulnerable to attacks by this Somali-based terror group. Christian Purefoy live on the ground from Garissa University, thank you. Now the Saudi military is stepping up security at its border with Yemen. Now this image, it comes from our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson. He is part of CNN crew traveling with the Saudi's border patrol. And you saw these Saudi tanks moving into the border town of Jizan. And this as the Saudi-led coalition tries to push back Houthi rebels in Aden. Now Houthi rebels seized the presidential palace there on Thursday, are said to control much of the city. Aden is the last major stronghold of fighters loyal to the country's deposed President Hadi. Now let's get the latest now on all these developments. Ian Lee joins me live from Cairo. And Ian, it's just reported Saudi tanks have moved to the Yemen border as they step up security for border guards. A Saudi border guard was killed earlier this week. And this begs the question, is a ground offensive going to come up next?
[Ian Lee, Cnn Correspondent:] Oh, definitely it appears that they're moving in that direction, Kristie. You do have, as you mentioned, those tanks moving towards the border. That border guard killed, also in the southern part of the country along the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden you have warships patrolling, keeping the shipping lanes open, but also preventing weapons from going to the Houthis to resupply them. Then when you focus further on the port city of Aden, despite airstrikes going on for well into their second week, it hasn't seemed to be able to stop the Houthi rebel's advance into the port city. And as you mentioned, it is the last major stronghold of the president of President Hadi. And it is a very strategic town, because if any ground invasion were to take place, you'd likely see a two pronged approach to it from the north along the Saudi border, but also from the south in taking the city of Aden, which has a large port that troops could disembark on. Weapons could go from that direction. So, despite these airstrikes we know that have been going against the Houthis we're hearing at the presidential palace where they recently we took control of, it still hasn't been able to really stop their momentum going forward to taking that city.
[Lu Stout:] And Ian, just an update from our Barbara Starr at the Pentagon. She says that a senior U.S. military officials told reporters that the Saudis have told the United States that their moves on the border are all defensive aimed at border protection, that line from our Barbara Starr at the Pentagon. Now Ian, just talking about the general chaos in Yemen, the Houthi rebel advance in Aden, you gave us the update on that, meanwhile we have al Qaeda in the Arabia Peninusla, AQAP, it opposes both the Houthi rebels and President Hadi and his supporters. How has al Qaeda benefited from all the chaos there in Yemen?
[Lee:] Well, that's the one thing we've been watching closely is how they are exploiting the chaos. when you look at Yemen you can really break it up between east and west. In the western part of the country it's where you have this current war going on between the Houthis and the president President Hadi's forces. But when you look at the eastern part of the country this is where large swaths are under control, or at least operating grounds for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. And this is the most lethal and dangerous branch of al Qaeda, or one of the most, in the world. The United States puts their numbers at well over 1,000. Yesterday, we saw a jailbreak in one of the capital city of the Hadra Moot province where about 100 militants linked to al Qaeda were freed, including one of their commanders. But they have laid low when it comes to actually engaging either party in this battle. They seem content to wait it out, to see what happens, to make gains where they can. But the real danger is that the United States has pulled out advisers from Yemen. They were there to help go after these al Qaeda militants without them there, there really is no way to track them or keep tabs on these militants as they operate in Yemen.
[Lu Stout:] All right, CNN's Ian Lee reporting live on the situation in Yemen. Many thanks indeed for your reporting, Ian. Now the Israeli prime minister is up in arms over the framework nuclear deal with Iran. And after the break, a live report from Jerusalem. Also ahead, alarming new information from the second black box in the crashed Germanwings plane. We'll take a look at what it reveals about the flight's final minutes. And later in the hour, he was one of China's most powerful officials. And now Zhou Yangkang goes on trial for corruption. We've got the details ahead.

[Camerota:] The U.S. government getting set to blame North Korea for the crippling hack of Sony. But not everyone thinks this was the handiwork of North Korea. Who else could be behind it? Let's bring in Bobby Ghosh. She's our CNN global affairs analyst and managing editor of "Quartz". And Martin Williams, he's the senior correspondent and former Tokyo bureau chief of IDG News Service, also the founder of NorthKoreatech.org, that's a blog that covers technology developments in the secretive state. Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. Martin, you are not convinced that North Korea was behind this. Why not?
[Martin Williams, Northkoreatech.org:] Well, I'm not convinced with any of the evidence that we've seen so far. This doesn't look like a typical North Korean hack. The country in the past has gone in and attacked things and hasn't been as noisy, there haven't been any of these public statements that we've seen this time. Also, if we look at what happened in this hack, the hackers at the beginning didn't say anything about this movie. So, certainly based on everything we know so far, I don't think we have enough evidence to really conclude that North Korea is behind it.
[Camerota:] So, Martin, in other words, the Web site that this shadowy anonymous group set up talking about the threats against this movie and what they would do and 911-style attack, you don't think that has the fingerprints of North Korea?
[Williams:] I mean, it could do. It could be a group that is linked with North Korea or somehow aided by the country. But if this is North Korea, this really is nothing like we've seen before. So, it really does sort of raise a frightening new level in these kind of cyberattacks that we've seen take place in the last few years.
[Camerota:] Bobby, what do you think of this not having the hallmarks of a typical North Korean attack?
[Bobby Ghosh, Cnn Global Affairs Analyst:] Well, the thing that Martin said is the crucial phrase was: as far as we know. And we know so little and so little information has been given out. What we do know is so far, there was no attempt at blackmail, which suggests this is political in some way.
[Camerota:] What do you mean, there's no attempt at blackmail? They didn't want the movie release and they said there'd be an attack if it weren't?
[Ghosh:] What I read was that the attackers didn't ask Sony for money in exchange for sort of removing the malware or giving them the tools to block it, which sometimes happens. North Korean state agency has said that this attack was done by sympathizers, which sometimes is code for we did it. The fact that they picked Sony, the background of the movie, it's a Japanese company, North Korea, has a longstanding animus with Japan, that's also indicative. And now, the Obama administration is about to announce we understand today, that they're going to finger North Korea directly. They say that they've picked up digital fingerprints. We haven't seen it, Martin and I, so it's a little hard to know for sure. But there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that does point to North Korea.
[Camerota:] Martin, we had a White House a former White House official on a few minutes ago who said that she believes that they do have evidence that it's North Korea. She said they must have the signals intelligence intercepts with regional officials and human intelligence pointing to North Korea. What do you say to that level of evidence?
[Williams:] I think the key thing we're going to see today is the exact language used by the White House or whatever part of the government announces this. There's a big difference between North Korea attacking Sony and attackers using North Korean software. It's going to be really important to see what level of certainty the U.S. government has that North Korea is involved in and quite what it thinks its involvement is.
[Camerota:] Martin, I want to stick with you for the technology of this. Help us understand the amount of data that was stolen from Sony, we understand is ten times that of which is in the library of Congress. Are there no triggers, no red flags that go off in a company when that amount of data is being siphoned out of their computer systems?
[Williams:] If that claim is true, then there should be, obviously. So far, the hackers have released online several dozens of gigabytes of information, they're talking about 100 times that. So that's what they say they've got. We haven't seen evidence of that. Hackers are prone to over-estimating, over-stating what they've done. But it looks like Sony's security was lacking in this one. These guys should never have been able to get away with this type of information and all of the confidential stuff they got off the networks, the emails, the movies, the financial reports. This is really very damaging for Sony.
[Camerota:] Bobby, does it suggest that there must have been somebody on the inside at Sony who was helping?
[Ghosh:] Well, it would appear again, the hackers were able to get access to one system administrator's password within Sony. That doesn't mean that the system administrator gave it to them, they could have stolen it. That sort ever thing has happened before. It's not conclusive one way or the other. Again, hopefully, we'll get more clarity when the Obama administration or the FBI makes their statement today. The one thing that's is ambiguous, is that this is a company that had very poor security protocols. I mean, even the information that was released by the hackers, the passwords they were using was "password" in some cases. This is a company that needed a complete overhaul of its security protocols, it's a cautionary tale for all companies across America and around the world, that this kind of there are people out there, whether they've North Koreans, people out there who have the tools to break into major corporate systems and that means every company has to be on guard.
[Camerota:] And by design, Sony said they didn't want to beef it up because they thought it would be too expensive. Martin, last, you study this for a living. You study what North Korea is doing. What do you think North Korea wants? What is next that we should be prepared for?
[Williams:] I think we need to keep looking at the development of North Korea's cyber infrastructure and these teams of hackers they have, the Unit 121, which is the team that's been talked about in relation to this attack is one of several that the country has. One of the reasons we haven't seen much in the last few years is because a lot of the attacks have been on South Korea. So, it hasn't made news in the United States, or in the rest of the world. But if they're starting to turn their attention to outside of the Asian outside of the Korean peninsula, and especially if they're starting to target companies rather than governments, this needs to be kept a close eye on.
[Camerota:] Martin Williams and Bobby Ghosh, thanks so much for all that information. Great to see you. Let's go over to Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Alisyn, the price of oil is down, the price of gas is down, the Dow is up, all good, right? Well, maybe not. We'll explain why too much of a good thing can turn out to be bad. Stay with us.

[Amanpour:] Welcome back to the program. And as we digest the implications of another slew of U.S. spying allegations and revelations, the practices of the press and its relationship with the government is in the spotlight here in Britain. Just down the road from us in the famous Old Bailey criminal courthouse a trial is now underway of two former newspaper editors from the Rupert Murdoch empire. Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson face charges that include conspiring to hack mobile phones at the now-defunct tabloid newspaper, the "News of the World." Among the victims, the missing school girl, Milly Dowler, who was later found murdered. That scandal sparked the Leveson inquiry, which examined the culture, the practice and the ethics of the press. And it heard from more than 180 witnesses, including the former prime minister, Tony Blair. Brooks, who is also charged with conspiring to pervert the course of justice, is a former chief executive of News International, and she arrived at the Old Bailey with Coulson, who is a former "News of the World" editor and also the former communications chief for Prime Minister David Cameron. They, along with six other defendants, deny all the charges. The accusations have reverberated through the top levels of British politics and journalism. And despite a number of press regulations recommended by the Leveson inquiry, ministers and journalists are still at odds over just how or whether to do that. Sir Harold Evans is the former editor of "The Times" and "The Sunday Times" in the U.K., part of the Murdoch empire. He says that voluntarily self-regulation by the press is required and he believes that nobody is suggesting the state should interfere with the freedom of the press. Harold Evans, welcome to the program.
[Harold Evans, Journalist:] Thank you.
[Amanpour:] You know, we are not allowed to talk about the specifics of the trial underway because of British laws regarding trials. But can I ask you, as a former "Sunday Times" editor, what do you think is the implication of two editors on trial, two former big-time newspaper editors on trial? What would that mean for the British press?
[Evans:] I do think the British system is right to have respect for the individuals on trial. And it's much looser in the United States, but you very often get trial by newspaper in the U.S., which I don't approve of.
[Amanpour:] Let's talk about further implications, as I said, because a lot of what's going on is also about is there going to be some kind of regulation of the British press? You know, to be clear, the United States has the First Amendment. There's almost blanket freedom in the U.S. to publish just about anything. There are stricter laws here in Britain. But a huge hubbub over whether there should be some formal regulatory process, where do you come down on that?
[Evans:] Oh, quite clear. I've always thought the First Amendment was a pretty good idea, actually. And what Leveson proposed, in effect, was to create a kind of British First Amendment. But I think the press is making a big mistake at the moment, at least large sections of the press are making a big mistake in caricaturing what Leveson said.
[Amanpour:] Well, what do you mean by that? Harry, what do you mean by caricaturing and why do you think, if it's so good for the press, as you point out, why are they so resistant?
[Evans:] Some of the circulation efforts of the British press, many of which I deplore, are actually the kind of thing that a regulator would make punishable by law. Now everybody keeps saying, oh, they could have prosecuted or stopped this by the ordinary criminal law. Not so. A lot of the harassment, surveillance and following people that went on in this odious period in the British press would not have been easy to prosecute. And asking an ordinary individual who's like the Milly Dowler case, for instance, who's took a murdered girl, is suddenly the subject of intrusive press inquiries, tapping her cell phone. Can you imagine that family going to law about that? Of course not. So Leveson provided a remedy for the most heinous offenses.
[Amanpour:] So you think there should be some kind of regulation?
[Evans:] Oh, I tell you what I do think. I think there should be what Leveson proposed, a First Amendment, and there should be voluntarily self- regulation by the press. Nobody is suggesting, nobody except some people in the press the state should never interfere with the freedom of the press. I've spent most of my career fighting for the freedom of the press. I've been involved more often than most editors in fighting governments, to suppress things. And I see nothing in Leveson that needs to stop really good investigative journalism and exposure journalism. And by the way, I've joined in this regard by the real hero of exposing hacking, Nick Davies of "The Guardian." And "The Guardian" was about the only paper which took it seriously.
[Amanpour:] Let's talk then about another issue that's exploded into the public and the politicians don't like this at all. The whole Snowden NSA cascading leaks, it seems like every day we open another newspaper to find yet another revelation. You've just heard what Glenn Greenwald has been talking about. Is there a responsibility by the press to be careful about what they publish as the British prime minister is saying?
[Evans:] Well, I tell you, that is certainly true. And I don't think Alan Rusbridger is a reckless, careful terrorist saboteur, anything of the kind. In all the cases I was involved in, where national security was inveighed against "The Sunday Times," and there are at least about four or five occasions, Northern Ireland being a particular example, there wasn't any real national security, when we exposed the real evil betrayals of Philby, the spy, the betrayals of him were outrageous. But they were covered up and when we tried to do expose the cover- up, we were told that's national security. It wasn't. It was a national embarrassment to the people in power. Having said that, I do not go along with the idea that an editor should publish anything that falls into his hands. That is not right. And we have many murderous enemies out there. And I would personally and I don't think Alan I'm sure Alan Rusbridger would not do anything to lead to the murder and killing of innocent people.
[Amanpour:] I hear you loud and clear. Of course, Alan Rusbridger's the editor of "The Guardian," but do you think that the leaks are being just spewed out into the press? Or do you see that there's any kind of culling, any kind of sort of, I don't know, care being taken over what's printed and what's not?
[Evans:] I tell you, I think there is in responsible papers. Now "The Guardian" is a responsible paper. My understanding and it's only my understanding is that what has been published so far is not so much the real anxiety and the governments are entitled to feel anxious because they have the duty to protect us. And we'd yell like hell if they neglected it out of some, you know, libertarian idea, which I do not go along with. But the I'm told that what's most concerning them is what has not yet been published but what has been downloaded by Snowden. So we can't judge it. We always have to be very, very careful of what's called the Stasi principle my friend, Clive Irving, a great investigative journalist said, he said, "The technical means expands to surveil the soul of the governments making use of it." However, having said that, we do live in an age of particular threats from terrorism and anybody who takes that casually is betraying the principles of human decency and dignity, just as much as those who try to suppress embarrassing details coming out.
[Amanpour:] What do you make of the hullabaloo created over the alleged spying on Angela Merkel's mobile phone?
[Evans:] I think it if I might put it this way, it's most unfortunate if tapping the phone or listening to Angela Merkel, we've better things to do. I tell you one better thing we might do, government should the United States and Britain and the European should do something about cyber security where thousands of commercial secrets are stolen every day. I'm not by name other countries, you know, China's the leader in this. But everybody does it. So we the cyber security, ability to shut down airports and power lines and cause absolute chaos is a real threat to national security and I think much more serious a threat to national security than some sleuth trying to listen to Angela Merkel saying "Danke Schoen, mein freund. Wie geht es ihnen?"
[Amanpour:] Harry Evans, on that note, thank you for joining me. And someone who's had his own adversarial relationship with the press was the late, great Lou Reed. He died yesterday at the age of 71. The legendary and pioneering rocker was a famously fearsome interviewee turning more than one journalist into jelly with his spiky and confrontational style. When we come back, we'll remember another world figure who's left the stage. But first, we'll leave you with a bit of Lou Reed's signature sound, always a "Walk on the Wild Side."

[Unidentified Female:] The motorcyclist seen here who repeatedly smashed this car window using his helmet
[Unidentified Male:] They started hitting him with the helmet, right in the floor.
[Unidentified Female:] According to police, he struck a motorcycle that had slowed in front of him.
[Unidentified Male:] There was a lot of blood all over the place.
[Miller:] Why nobody came to their defense. And these cops didn`t help them. I mean, they acted out of panic.
[Unidentified Female:] When the motorcyclists gave chase, eventually cornering the SUV and then beating and slashed Lien in front of his wife and 2-year-old daughter. Two off-duty undercover cops who were riding with the bikers are now being questioned. Why did it take so long for him to come forward? This happened on Sunday, he didn`t come forward until Wednesday.
[Unidentified Male:] He was compelled to report this immediately.
[Pinsky:] It`s hard to understand why they didn`t put a stop to this or why they didn`t report it right when it happened. Welcome back. My co-host is Samantha Schacher. We`ve got a new twist in the road rage well, road rage isn`t really right. The attack on a SUV by a group of bikers in New York City. We`re now learning that an undercover cop did not just witness the attack, he apparently took part in it, actually pounding on the vehicle. Not clear whether he took part in the actual physical beating of the driver. This cop is reportedly under arrest. Joining us, Judge Young, Loni, Dean, and Emily. Dean, do you have a reaction to this?
[Obeidallah:] Yes. I do. I live in New York City. And this is not the only time you have large groups of motorcycle drivers going through the streets. I can see 59th Street Bridge where I live. Two or three times every summer, there are literally hundreds of motorcycles that drive, that`s fine. But they block traffic themselves, intimidating drivers who pull off to the side of the road afraid for their own lives, frankly. And I haven`t seen any violence there, but afraid from 180, 100 motorcycles in the streets. There are 35,000 uniformed police officers in New York City. They should not be allowed on these streets.
[Pinsky:] Emily, have you heard any information about these cops involved in these beatings?
[Miller:] It sounds like I mean, obviously, one is under arrest. You know, this is so this is very upsetting about this. It`s obviously, this is at least policeman`s misconduct. Now, it looks like criminal behavior. I spoke to law enforcement today, federal level and state level, and all said no matter what, they would have obviously not participated in this kind of thing, but even if they are just witnesses to it, they would have stopped it. There`s no undercover issue here. You`re seeing a man get beat to death, they would have jumped in. We do know that this cop was not armed and did not have his badge, but it`s still no excuse. I mean, any kind of person, any kind of conscience would have jumped in and helped He should get charged.
[Pinsky:] let me throw and Loni, hold on a second and say, is there anybody on the panel who thinks that this was sort of like a fog of war where maybe one of his cops saw this guy run over and maybe nearly fatally injure somebody. It was like some sort of vigilante impulse. Loni, no?
[Loni Coombs, Former Prosecutor:] No. I don`t have any sympathy for the police officers in the situation. And as soon as I heard that there were a UC, an undercover officer in this game, and then I heard that were other off-duty officers in this game, participating in this ride, I knew right then this was going to become a cluster. And sure enough, here it comes. A UC is sent in to an organization, whether it`d be a motorcycle gang or a drug gang because there is suspected criminal activity. They want this UC to go in
[Pinsky:] Loni, I`m going to interrupt you, because I`m hearing I heard that the undercover was not part of -not trying to infiltrate this gang. He was just a civilian member of the gang who was an undercover cop in other operations.
[Coombs:] OK. OK. Well, that helps, but then he tells
[Miller:] The facts are correct, though. You`re totally correct. This group of gang members, I mean, this motorcycle gang. They`ve all got arrests behind them. Half of them have been in jail. They`ve got gun crimes. They`ve got none of them should have been on the streets in the first place. I don`t know what these off-duty cops. We know at least one was hanging out with him that`s about.
[Samantha Schacher, Social Commentator:] The off-duty cop lied about his involvement.
[Schacher:] Basically, why are you lying?
[Coombs:] He first said, look, I didn`t do anything. I wasn`t close enough to help. And so, I was just trying to protect my identity, which, if he wasn`t in this gang that he didn`t need to protect his UC identity in this gang. And then you see on the video that he actually approached the car and groped the back window, which is why he`s charged with this mischief and he`s facing four to seven years depending on how much damage he did, how much the money is going to end up being. So this guy, not only is he doing something violent, but now, he`s lying about it. And this is a police officer. I mean, they need to do some housecleaning in their police department.
[Pinsky:] Judge Young, do you want to comment about this?
[Judge David Young, Former Criminal Court Judge:] Yes. I do. It doesn`t matter if you`re a judge, it doesn`t matter if you`re police officer or schoolteacher, that is what you are. You chose to do that. And just because you`re not on duty, that does not mean that you have to forget everything that you`re taught in the academy. You`re a police officer 247. And you have to remember, that in this case, you had a man and a woman and a two-year-old child. When they saw all of these bikers, they were scared for their lives. It would be, Dr. Drew, if I saw a bunch of hooter girls coming after me, I`d be panicked.
[Pinsky:] I`m a little confused, judge. But OK. Hooter girls attack. I want to show you guys a video of this attack that apparently surfaced just a few hours ago. Let`s see if we can show it up full screen here. Apparently, the driver is there it is. The driver is already on the ground, and they are stomping on him. You can see that. Bystander.
[Schacher:] It`s barbaric.
[Pinsky:] The bystander comes in and tries to help break things up. But the stomping of this seemingly defenseless guy.
[Young:] The officer And he didn`t do it, and he deserves to be in jail.
[Pinsky:] Emily.
[Miller:] And Dr. Drew, I said this last night, I will say it again. If Mike Bloomberg didn`t have such gun laws, these guys wouldn`t have known that that driver was not armed and couldn`t defend himself. And there were no police around. We know that. There`s no deterrent for criminals when they know no one`s armed.
[Pinsky:] I`m just going to Twitter to see I know Emily`s going to have - it takes a couple minutes for people to sort of charge up on Twitter. So, I`m seeing what kind of tweets come through, but I know there`ll be a response to Emily and her polemic here. Even though
[Miller:] We went through this last
[Pinsky:] Yes. We went through it last night. Go ahead. Finish up, then we`re going to go to break and I`ll bring up some tweets during the commercial. But go ahead, Emily.
[Miller:] There`s fear with everybody about this shootout and these westerns, I heard that all day from my Twitter, my Facebook. Where? Guns are fully legal. We have eight million people in this country with carry permits. We have 300 million guns. Where are all these shootout the and wild west things happening? Are they happening in Kansas, in Colorado. No. They`re happening with exactly, Chicago, which has the strictest gun control laws in the country.
[Pinsky:] All right. Leave it there.
[Young:] Colorado?
[Schacher:] Yes. Colorado.
[Pinsky:] Listen, I`m not taking a position here, however, let`s remind ourselves that it`s people with
[Miller:] It`s the bad guys with the guns.
[Pinsky:] Not bad guys even. Some of the mass shootings we`ve had are people not connected to reality. It gets complicated when we start talking about that, but hang on, I`m going to have to leave it right there. I`m going to bring in the "Behavior Bureau" to help me out with this. And later, a man plows his car into a crowd, actually coming out of funeral. Many are seriously injured. "Behavior Bureau" is going to look at that, too, and whether he should have even been on the road. We`re back in just a moment.
[Vinnie Politan, Hln Anchor:] Coming up top of the hour on "HLN After Dark," the next big trial, Utah versus Dr. Martin MacNeill accused of drowning his wife in the tub. Proseuctors say it was for his mistress, his mistress named Gypsy.
[Ryan Smith, Hln Anchor:] So, our in-studio jury is all over it, but the bold question, was the doctor under gypsy`s spell?
[Politan:] We shall find out by the end of the hour. A verdict from our 12 jurors, "HLN After Dark."

[Gupta:] Eyes on the Middle East and Gaza today. Even if peace does take hold, the damage from the latest fighting is going to be tough to repair. And something's lost can never be regained. You know, I've been in war zone hospitals all over the world. And the stories of patients and the health care teams that risk their lives to save them are extraordinary. Couple weeks ago, CNN's Karl Penhaul took us inside one of them and showed us the struggle to keep up with the stream of desperation that kept rolling in the door.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Dead on arrival, the horror, civilians and medics at breaking point.
[Dr. Shadi Al-qadi, Gaza European Hospital:] We feel exhausted. We feel
[Penhaul:] No time to rest. It's a scramble to rescue survivors. Surgeons told us not to film this casualty, a hint, perhaps, he was a militant fighter. But most on the operating table at south Gaza's European Hospital are clearly noncombatants. [on camera]: Their patient is a 23-year-old female, and they have showed me on the X-rays she has a basic fracture on her leg. [voice-over]: They say that was caused by a rocket blast. The surgeons' focus, the blink of a patient's eye, the beep of vital signs. Dr. Hasan is sick of it sick, he tells me, of stitching bodies mutilated by shrapnel, sick of war.
[Dr. Yousif Al-akrad, Gaza European Hospital:] We have received 61 patients, injured patients. So, we don't have enough
[Penhaul:] Down the hallway, surgeons patch up a toddler. They say the rest of his family is dead. Bone and brain surgeons do skin grafts. Fighting rages close to the hospital. They just can't transfer him to a plastic surgeon. Medicine and supplies are running low.
[Hassan Khaled Younis, Gaza European Hospital:] If the war is still one more week or more than this, we will reach to we don't have
[Penhaul:] The fight for Gaza has become a dirty war, no sanctuary for innocent.
[Dr. Hassem Al-masri, Gaza European Hospital:] The situation is very dangerous. No place in Gaza Strip, not even one square meter is safe in Gaza Strip.
[Penhaul:] Dr. Al-Masri is afraid that he like others could be killed at any time, so he carries his I.D. everywhere. [on camera]: So you're preparing for death as well?
[Al-masri:] Yes, we are preparing ourself for death.
[Penhaul:] Men dazed with amputated limbs, a child with head trauma battling to get up. Many medics tell me only faith can keep them on their feet.
[Dr. Jamal Abu Hilal, Gaza European Hospital:] Got to give our the power to work to work, even we work sometimes 20 hours continuous.
[Penhaul:] But even the call of God drowned out by the agony. Karl Penhaul, CNN, Gaza.
[Gupta:] Again, that was a couple weeks ago, but it's a perspective. A medical perspective that I hope doesn't get lost in all of this, we do know the hospitals that you just saw is still up and running. Thanks to Karl Penhaul. Up next, we're shifting gears. Many people thought this was never going to happen in their lifetimes, a federal law introduced in Congress to legalize some types of marijuana. You've seen the labels, gluten free, but what does that really mean? First things first, gluten is a protein found in wheat and other grains in foods like pasta and bread. For the 3 million Americans with celiac disease, it can be a real problem.
[Dr. Larry Sperling, Emory University School Of Medicine:] Celiac is a disease of inflammation of the intestines, it can produce intestinal like symptoms, upset stomach
[Gupta:] Believe it or not, up until this week, there were no regulations behind the label. But starting this week, the FDA will only allow foods to be labeled gluten-free if they have less than 20 parts per million of gluten. That's the threshold that doctors believe those with celiac disease can tolerate.

[Paul:] Good morning. It is 28 minutes past the hour right now. Welcome back. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to have you with us. Here are five things you need to know for your new day. Volkswagen employees who built the Passat have spoken, they do not want a union at their Chattanooga, Tennessee plant. Now, the employees there rejected an invitation to join the UAW, the United Auto Workers. Three days of secret balloting ended with almost 90 percent voting against the proposal that ended last night. The state Republicans feared a union shop would drive business out of the state.
[Paul:] Number two, South Carolina yes, people South Carolina got shaken last night by a 4.1 magnitude earthquake. The epicenter was near the town of Edgefield. No injuries or significant damage thankfully has been reported so far.
[Blackwell:] Number three, the second round of peace talks to try to end the Syrian civil war has gone nowhere. Syria's foreign minister expressed this, quote, "deepest apologies for the lack of progress." The two sides have been meeting in one room with a U.N. intermediary. And talks started last month. Next month will mark the third year of the war which has killed more than 100,000 Syrians.
[Paul:] Number four, President Obama is going to ask Congress to loan $1 billion in aid to Jordan. The president pledged a loan guarantee to Jordan's King's Abdullah II yesterday during a bilateral meeting. Now, Jordan is a key U.S. ally that's financially burdened with a cost of hosting hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees right now. The aid package would last for five years.
[Blackwell:] Number five now, if you're at the airport today, we feel for you.
[Paul:] Uh-huh.
[Blackwell:] Already, 500 flights canceled.
[Paul:] Ouch.
[Blackwell:] Hopefully, yours is not one of them. But there could be more on the way because of the snow in the Northeast. Airlines are struggling to get everyone on their destination on this busy holiday weekend, if you count Valentine's Day as a holiday.
[Paul:] A holiday? What did I miss?
[Blackwell:] Most single people don't. On the ground, 165,000 homes still without power. A big improvement over the 400,000 out of power yesterday.
[Paul:] I'm married, what does that mean for me?
[Blackwell:] Do you still
[Paul:] Well, not holiday, I guess. I don't know. So, let's talk about the Miami Dolphins, because they're in the spotlight again and it is not one they want to be in. More allegations of harassment here. I want to tell you about this new report. According to it, player Richie Incognito is not the only bully on the team. Yesterday, the NFL released more than 140 pages from its investigation.
[Blackwell:] The findings, multiple players used racial slurs, homophobic names and inappropriate touching let's bring in CNN's Joe Carter and Nick Valencia. Joe, first to you, what else have we learning from the report?
[Joe Carter, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, first of all, it's a 148-page report that you said. It covered, of course, a couple of months. Ted Wells was hired by the NFL to investigate the situation that was going on within the Miami Dolphins locker room. And really reading through the report yesterday the findings are quite disgusting. The takeaway, their workplace environment is much different than our workplace environment. I've been in many NFL locker rooms, it's vulgar, it's racists. At times, it's homophobic. They slow around slurs like game towels. It's very commonplace. But here in this report, the findings are that they crossed the line. It wasn't just one player, it was three players and it wasn't just one victim, it was three two players and an assistant trainer. And they did it to the point where Jonathan Martin, sort of the face of this, felt that he not only had to leave the team, but he felt his life wasn't worth living not once but twice. He considered killing himself not once but two different times. So, it got that bad. Coaches didn't know it apparently. The offensive line coach apparently did have some sort of idea what was going on. The head coach, the assistant coaches and general managers in the organization weren't aware of what was going on because he never felt I mean, Jonathan Martin never felt like he should report it.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] And, Joe, when you look at the report, part of the interesting point is the mental health issues in the report. Jonathan Martin saying he had mental health issues going back to high school and he had a bipolar friendship with Richie Incognito. Sometimes, they were on very good terms. Other times, they were on not-so-good terms. And like Joe was saying, Victor and Christie, it seems as though from this report, you know, the culture a locker room it's what you'd expect the culture of the locker room to be in the NFL. This is a brutal sport. These are gladiators so to speak. It just went to the next level.
[Blackwell:] Beyond the typical racism and homophobia, do you see in the locker room
[Valencia:] They would berate his sister. I mean, things like that. They were saying he wasn't black enough. There are offensive linemen, you know, the coach, implicit in this bullying, he knew what was going on and culture and let it happen.
[Paul:] We'll have to see what happens.
[Carter:] It's the combination of a perfect storm. You're looking at somebody like Richie Incognito who they're calling the ring leader but there are two offensive linemen named as well, John Jerry and Mike Pouncey. They sort of follow Richie Incognito's lead. But here you have the ultra alpha male. He's had trouble in college, he had two different universities and in the NFL. You've got that alpha male who everybody has said say sensitive person. So, you have the combination of a perfect storm of two people going against each other, where at sometimes, Jonathan Martin felt like he had to join in that vulgar joking and he felt like he had to be accepted and it would lessen the harassment that he was receiving.
[Paul:] Well, listen, we want to move on to this other big story in NFL. Former NFL star Darren Sharper yesterday charged in the alleged drugging and raping of two women. And he's also being eyed for crimes three other states. Joe, what else do you know about this one?
[Carter:] Well, according to court papers as you said, charged with two rapes in California. Under investigation for sexual assaults in Arizona, Nevada, Louisiana. In California, according to the court papers in October 2012, he met a couple of women in a nightclub. All three of them went back to his hotel room. The women allege they were given a shot of something. They passed out, one woman she woke up and believed she was raped. The other woman said she interrupted Darren Sharper's actions. We don't know exactly what those actions are, but she interrupted his actions. Now, there are two other women who met him in the same club in January of this year. Same exact pattern happened. They went back to his hotel room. They received a shot of something. They passed out. One believed that she was raped.
[Valencia:] Yes, because of that, these other cases that prosecutors found in other states that they're trying to get his bail increased to $10 million. Like Joe was saying, it's this pattern, meeting two women, takes him back to the hotel room, gives them something to drink and that's when the alleged sexual assaults occur. So, this is a serious thing for this NFL star.
[Carter:] Yes. If he's convicted, he faces up to 30 years in prison. I mean, they are seeking prosecutor is seeking several charges, including two counts of rape by the use of drug. And again, if convicted, he could face up to 30 years in prison.
[Blackwell:] Well, certainly not the last we're going to hear about it. Those two stories. But I want you to stick around for one more we have, a bit lighter here 63rd annual NBA all-star game in New Orleans. The jazz for the conference matchup, NBA legend and TNT Sports analyst Charles Barkley landed in an exclusive interview with President Obama.
[Paul:] It turned into a bit of a lovefest.
[Blackwell:] A little bit.
[Charles Barkley, Tnt Sports:] Watching LeBron James play at the peak of his superpowers, it's an amazing debate. I never thought I would say somebody like this guy might be as good as Michael Jordan.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] You know LeBron, I know LeBron. When you're standing next to him and then you watch him close up, I've never seen somebody that size, that fast who can jump that high, who's that strong, who has that much basketball savvy, all in one package. So we don't yet know where he's going to be. Now, I'm a Chicago guy, and Mike will always be the guy for me. Just because, you know, that was a magical moment for the city. And, you know, he was a champion. But, you know, Mike's now retired. LeBron, when you look at him, you think he might be able to play at a high level for another seven, eight, 10 years. He's 29 years old. In terms of every aspect of the game, LeBron has a chance to be, you know, as good as anybody.
[Blackwell:] That's probably the most relaxed I've seen the president in quite some time.
[Paul:] Well, Charles Barkley you know, they're talking sports.
[Blackwell:] That's right.
[Paul:] Nothing against Charles, he's talking sports. And that's the big love.
[Valencia:] Who wouldn't be comfortable around Charles Barkley?
[Blackwell:] You can watch more of the exclusive interview during pregame coverage of the NBA all-star game that starts tomorrow night 7:00 Eastern on TNT. Joe, Nick, thank you.
[Paul:] Thank you, guys, so much.
[Blackwell:] Still to come on NEW DAY, actress Ellen Page holds back tears during a speech at the Human Rights Campaign. Up next, why she got emotional, and what she said that triggered a standing ovation from that crowd.
[Paul:] Plus, a step towards marriage and equality in Virginia. But same-sex couples who want to wed may want to wait a little bit before setting that date. We're going to explain the legal challenges straight ahead.

[Costello:] As international pressure grows on Vladimir Putin, Secretary of State John Kerry is adding his voice to calls for a more transparent and thorough investigation into the crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] This is a very, very critical moment for Russia to step up, publicly, and join in the effort in order to make sure there is a full-fledged investigation, that the investigators and people who are coming to help from outside, the ICAO, the FBI, the National Transportation Safety Board. We're sending people over. Others are sending people. Experts who have an ability to be able to put these facts together so no one will have doubt, no fingers will be pointed about conspiracies, about ideology and politics governing this.
[Costello:] No one can get to the crash site as of yet because of fighting in eastern Ukraine. That's the big problem. Senator Chris Murphy says that if the plane crash in Ukraine, quote, "doesn't wake up our European allies, it's hard to imagine what will." Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, joins me now. Good morning, sir.
[Sen. Chris Murphy , Connecticut:] Good morning.
[Costello:] I don't know if you heard Barbara Starr's report, but she says U.S. intelligence officers are trying to determine if Russian personnel were actually on the scene when that missile was fired. If that's the case, is there any way Putin can wiggle out?
[Murphy:] Well, I'm not sure that Putin can wiggle out regardless of whether or not Russia directed this specific missile strike. The fact is, is that we have relative complete confidence that that missile system was provided by the Russians. And if not for the Russian decision to essentially run, arm, equip and administer this rebellion in eastern Ukraine, you would have never had this plane shot down in the first place. So I'm not even sure that it really matters in the final analysis, whether there was a Russian soldier sitting next to the piece of equipment when the missile was fired. This is Russia's fault. And they could allow for access to that crash site today because that separatist group cannot function, cannot exist without Russian support and control.
[Costello:] EU foreign ministers could meet as soon as tomorrow to finalize a new round of sanctions against Russia, but there are reports leaders are split on how tough those sanctions should be. In your mind, what sanctions need to be put into place?
[Murphy:] Well, it's hard for me to imagine why Europe would still be split on this question. If Europe had any doubt whether this conflict could hit them, they now know. This might not be the end of the misery for the region at large due to this conflict. So let's just take the sanctions that the United States imposed last week. We imposed sanctions on the two biggest Russian energy banks. But they aren't as effective as they should be if Europe doesn't join us because if these big Russian energy companies can't get financing from American banks, they can just go to European banks. So let's start there. Let's make a decision that the United States and Europe are going to cut off financing for Russian energy companies. That would certainly make Putin start to think twice about whether he's going to continue to fund this conflict in eastern Ukraine.
[Costello:] Some experts say, though, if you put if you put really, really tough sanctions on Russia, it will back Putin into a corner and he'll act in a more aggressive way. In fact, that will force him to fight back. Maybe diplomacy might be better at this point?
[Murphy:] I think Vladimir Putin understands strength. I think there's plenty of room for diplomacy. But right now he is continuing his support of the separatist group in eastern Ukraine because he really doesn't think that he's going to actually see any consequences. We've got to show him that there are consequences. And we're at the right moment to do that. The Russian economy is weak. They're in recession. There's a huge capital flight of billions of dollars coming out of the country. If you can tighten the noose around their economy, Putin will blink here. I think that that's what history has ultimately shown that you've got to meet Putin's aggression with similar strength and response.
[Costello:] And he seems to be kind of putting himself in the corner because Putin did come out and finally say something today. He said, quote, and this is just part of what he said, he said, "no one should have the right to use this tragedy to achieve selfish political objectives. Such events should not divide, but unite people." Putin went on to say, "crash investigators should be granted full access to the site," but, of course, as you know, senator, talk is one thing and action is another. What does the United States or other countries need to do to make sure that Putin stands by his word and opens this crash site to investigators and allow those victims to come home?
[Murphy:] Well, this is really a question for Europe, right? I mean, they can make this demand that he open the crash site, but then they've got to be proposed to show him that there are consequences if he does not. The crash site will open to international investigators if Putin decides it. The separatists are run by the Russian military. That's the simple truth. And so if by tomorrow the crash site isn't open to international investigators, then Europe should hand down a crippling round of sanctions. That will be the means of accountability here. And of course, it's ridiculous for him to say that someone is trying to move a political agenda because of this crash. Our agenda, Europe's agenda is simply to end the bloodshed in eastern Ukraine and allow for the duly elected government out of Kiev to be able to administer a country which by international law is theirs to administer.
[Costello:] Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, thanks for being with me. I appreciate it.
[Murphy:] Thanks, Carol.
[Costello:] I'll be right back.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. In the national lead, it's a mystery that tormented a Georgia family for nearly a year. How did their 17-year-old son die in what should have been the safety of his school? His bloody body was found rolled up inside a gym mat. Well, the parents of Kendrick Johnson have been relentless in their quest for answers, ever since his death back in January. Just hours ago, the U.S. attorney in Georgia agreed to launch a federal investigation.
[Michael Moore, U.s. Attorney For The Middle District Of Georgia:] My objective is to discover the truth, and I believe that can only be done by gathering all of the evidence and relevant information surrounding Mr. Johnson's death.
[Tapper:] Now, the Lowndes County sheriff's department has said all along that Johnson's death was a freak accident, that there was no evidence of foul play, but the teen's parents think their son was murdered and that the school and sheriff's office are guilty of a cover-up. The family launched its own investigation and found blood smears on a wall near where Johnson's body was found. And a private pathologist hired by the family found evidence of a blow to the side of his neck. These discrepancies have led some experts to question the official explanation that Kendrick had suffocated reaching for a sneaker. CNN has been covering every angle of this story from the start and we managed to get access to surveillance video from the school the day of Johnson's death. The video shows him in a hallway and entering the gym, where other students are playing basketball. But none of the released images show the moment he died. Still, Johnson's parents say they're hopeful that with the Feds now getting involved, a fresh pair of eyes will uncover what really happened. And joining us now from Tallahassee, Florida, are Kenneth and Jacquelyn Johnson, Kendrick's parents, along with the family's attorney, Chevene King, and Benjamin Crump. Thank you all for joining us. And, Mr. and Mrs. Johnson, we are so sorry for your loss. Kenneth Johnson, I would like to start with you. What's your reaction to the U.S. attorney general's decision to reopen your son's case?
[Kenneth Johnson, Kendrick Johnson's Fahter:] Well, we're happy that a fresh pair of eyes is starting to look at Kendrick's case, and we're just waiting on the truth to really come out.
[Tapper:] Jacquelyn, why do you believe that the school or the sheriff's office or anyone would attempt to cover up or at the very least, not try to get to the bottom of the circumstances behind your son's death?
[Jacquelyn Johnson, Kendrick Johnson's Mother:] I don't know. That's what we're trying to find out. That's why we're trying to get to the truth. I have no idea.
[Tapper:] Chevene, do you think race played a role at all in how the initial investigation into Kendrick's death was handled?
[Chevene King, Family Attorney:] Well, certainly you have to consider race as a factor. But I don't think that that's the end-all in terms of trying to understand why this case was handled in the way that it was. We believe that certainly if there is a cover-up, it is a cover-up for somebody and not a nobody. So, who this person might be or who the individuals might be is a mystery at this point, and we are hoping that the investigation that the federal government will now actively get going will help to uncover the truth in that regard.
[Tapper:] And, Chevene, just to follow up, do you have any suspicions or you just have this mystery and you're trying to figure out why there wasn't this due diligence done, in your opinion?
[King:] Well, over the now going on ten months that I have been involved in this case, we have received bits and pieces of information from various sources within the community. You have to understand that Valdosta is a small community and that there's no such thing as a secret. And so, while we have our ideas as to who may have been involved, we have not received this information in such a way that you could say that it is completely reliable. We do intend to pursue our investigation through the use of a coroner's inquest. We hope that in this process, the various individuals will be subpoenaed and compelled to give testimony, and give us the information that the family has been in search of for so long.
[Tapper:] Benjamin Crump, we know you worked closely, of course, with the parents of Trayvon Martin to pursue justice for their son. Do you intend to pursue a civil rights case in Kendrick Johnson's case regardless of the outcome of the federal investigation?
[Benjamin Crump, Family Attorney:] We certainly plan, Jake, to explore all possible legal remedies to hold those individuals accountable who killed Kendrick Johnson and those who covered up for those individuals. Because make no mistake about it: his parents never accepted this explanation that he climbed into a wrestling mat, got stuck and died. It flew in the face of all common sense, logic and the laws of physics. What's more likely to have happened, he was murdered and there's been some conspiracy to cover up the truth here. This is a murder mystery and we're going to get to the bottom of it, Jake.
[Tapper:] Kenneth, tell us what the past 10 months have been like for you and your family as you've dealt with the grieving process and also tried to pursue justice.
[K. Johnson:] Well, it's been hard for the last 10 months. You know, me and my wife haven't worked since January, since this happened to Kendrick. We've just been trying to move forward. We've been on the corner protesting for six days a week, there's for the last six months now, and it's just been hard, you know? We just gave up everything to fight for justice for our son, you know? We've just been fighting, fighting. We just gave up everything.
[Tapper:] And, of course, behind this all, there was a young man of immense promise, Kendrick. And, Jacquelyn, I want to give you the final word. Tell us about Kendrick. What should people at home who are watching right now, what should they know about him?
[K. Johnson:] Well, Kendrick was a nice young man. He was the son every parent will dream to have. You know, Kendrick had never been in trouble with the law. He had never been in trouble at school. He just was a great child, you know? He had one incident with a young man at school, but Kendrick was a great child. Any parent would have loved to have a child like Kendrick Johnson.
[Tapper:] Jacquelyn, the same question?
[J. Johnson:] He was an athlete. He was funny. He always did little silly things. He was the life of our house.
[Tapper:] Our thoughts and prayers are with you, Jacqueline and Kenneth Johnson. And the rest of you, thank you so much for joining us. We hope you find justice and we hope you find peace.
[J. Johnson:] Thank you.
[K. Johnson:] Thank you.
[King:] Thank you.
[Crump:] Thank you.
[Tapper:] And within the past hour, we have received a statement from the Lowndes sheriff's department reacting to the U.S. attorney's decision to reopen the Johnson case. It reads in part, "While Sheriff Pine has every confidence that his office's investigation was handled with the necessary diligence to assure that all leads were examined and exhausted, he welcomes the U.S. attorney's further review of the case." Coming up on
[The Lead:] two retail giants going for each other's throats. But can Wal-Mart really compete with Amazon's online dominance? I'll ask Wal-Mart's CEO Bill Simon, next. Plus, the Obama administration turning to the private sector to help fix the debacle with Healthcare.gov. So who's on the IT team?

[Blackwell:] TLC, struggling still with what to do about the show "19 Kids & Counting". It pulled episodes of the show after it was revealed that the eldest son, Josh Duggar, molested several girls, including his sisters, when he was a teenager. Even after advertisers dropped out, TLC is still silent about the show's fate. Let's bring in CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter. He's joining us now. Brian we've seen with several shows whether it's sexual abuse or racially-insensitive comment, these networks move quickly. They may change their opinion or their decision later, but why haven't we heard something definitive from TLC?
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] This is a very difficult situation for TLC Victor. For some reasons that we haven't really thought about, I think. You know, for one thing, the show is not currently in production which means there's no camera crews following around the Duggars right now. So the network doesn't have to make a decision right away, you know. Because it's not in production, they don't have anything to "cancel", quoteunquote. They will however at some point probably decide not to resume production. That's what it comes down to a decision not to ever send the camera crews back out to the Duggars to follow them around in the future. I'm told by sources close to the show that that's probably going to happen. The show is over, but TLC doesn't want to say so publicly. They don't want to actually make the announcement or the decision because it is going to create waves and create further controversy. You know, for all the people they will please by canceling the show, they're going to disappoint other people. They're going to disappoint fans of the Duggars that want to see the family supported during this crisis.
[Blackwell:] Much like we saw that backlash after "Duck Dynasty" was pulled
[Stelter:] Yes.
[Blackwell:] and then that came back. Let's talk about Hulu, the streaming video service that dropped all the episodes of "19 Kids & Counting" all the Duggar shows from their programming. That was in consultation with TLC. You spoke with an executive there, which side initiated that?
[Stelter:] Yes, Hulu's CEO said he was in talks with TLC and that's why they took the show off line. It's sort of a digital age problem right. When a show becomes controversial, you can take it off your schedule but you also have to take it off the Internet. So that's what they did in this case. But they said it was only for the time being and, again, leaving the door open to the show coming back at some time. I think what happens in these cases is, these shows or these brands become political fights. They become red and blue issues. You have a lot of blue sort of commentators. A lot of progressives or a lot of progressive-minded Web sites saying why hasn't the show been canceled yet? But then on the other side, you have some red type commentators, you have Christian conservative evangelicals that have loved this family for years and has supported this family for years that don't want to see them further penalized by taking the show off the air for a long time. As you know, it's off the air right now and advertisers don't want to be associated with it. But to abandon the Duggars entirely could turn off some of TLC's core supporters which, you know, tend to live in red states, tend to live in the heartland. So there is that tension that TLC has to grapple with. Of course, there's obviously business ramifications, but also there's cultural ramifications.
[Blackwell:] With all this going on, I understand there is potentially a spinoff that is being considered?
[Stelter:] That is exactly where this all wind up getting us to. You think about all the issues they face. You think about the pros and cons of canceling or keeping the show. And the most logical outcome is probably a spinoff. The most logical outcome might be just to have the kids featured. Do a spinoff of "19 Kids & Counting" with just a few of the kids as they're starting their own families and that's a way to distance the show from Josh Duggar and from the parents while still creating the relationship with the Duggar family while still keeping a popular show on the air and while still keeping TLC in business with the show. You know, one point executives made to me is TLC has had a relationship with the Duggars for years. They don't want to appear to be abandoning them or penalizing them further in this situation. So by butting out for the time being and not making any decisions they are allowing themselves the ability to go ahead announce that spinoff some time in the future.
[Blackwell:] All right. CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter. Brian thank you.
[Stelter:] Thanks.
[Paul:] Listen, our next guest is a survivor of abuse and a staunch advocate for education to prevent it. Erin Merryn wrote the book "An Unimaginable Act". She also knows the Duggars. The invited her into their home to talk to their kids about Erin's law. That's her initiative to get education about abuse into schools and she's been very successful at it. Almost half the states in the country now have signed on to it. So, Erin, thank you so much for being with us. Help us understand when you were brought in to talk to the Duggars about abuse, what was that experience like for you and then what did you how did you feel when you heard about these allegations?
[Erin Merryn, Child Abuse Survivor:] It was a very positive experience. They had heard me speak at a conference and asked me that night will you come into our homes and talk about Erin's law teaching kids about personal body safety, to speak up and tell if you've been abused. So I sat there for two hours talking to their kids about this. And their hope was to help me bring my message into home schooling families. My law requires public schools Pre-K to 12th grade to teach kids personal body safety. And so it doesn't reach the homeschoolers. So they were talking about ideas on how to bring this message to national conferences on homeschooling, getting me in front of some of these people. So it was a positive experience. So, when I heard about this, I was shocked, but at the same time, you know, 93 percent of the time children are abused by someone they know and trust. No, it isn't often that stranger danger we talk so much about in society. The reality is we need to talk to kids about the people we know and trust that can hurt you and that you don't keep this a secret if it's ever happened to you.
[Paul:] So what is the one thing do you think we can teach our kids to help them, empower them to speak up? What is the one thing they need to know?
[Merryn:] Kids need to know that the differences between safe touch, unsafe touch; safe secrets, unsafe secrets. That the areas covered by your swimsuit if anybody ever touches you there, anybody, that you report it to an adult and you keep speaking up, this is not your fault. You're not to blame and you will be believed.
[Paul:] You know, one of the things that I think is so perplexing about this situation with the Duggars is the fact that, you know, as a parent every parent who's heard about this and who were fans of them think what do you do as a family when you have one child or more than one child who is a victim and yet your other child is the accused, is the abuser? I mean we love all of our children. How do you deal with that?
[Merryn:] Yes, well, I tell people right now that try to put yourself as a parent in their shoes. What if this was your son or daughter that had done this to a sibling? You know, it wouldn't be easy at all. You love all your children. In this situation I tell any parent if this happens, go to the authorities. Get your child help. The one and most important thing is to get them help and, honestly, remove them from the home. If this happened to my kids, I love my kids but I would not allow that family member back into the home. It just would not be safe.
[Paul:] You actually wrote a great article about how you won't let your daughter go on sleepovers even at family's home because that's where you were violated as well.
[Merryn:] No.
[Paul:] So that was a really good point. You can find that online, too. Erin, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate your voice in this.
[Merryn:] Thank you, thank you for having me.
[Paul:] Of course. Victor.
[Blackwell:] Thanks, Christi. Another animal cruelty controversy for an NFL team: a player is cut from his team after being charged with killing his ex-girlfriend's dog. Later this morning, ten years after teenager Natalie Holloway disappeared in Aruba, could a new lead help to solve this mystery?

[Banfield:] Turning now to the war on ISIS, Iraqi forces are now doubling down the efforts to retake the city of Tikrit from the hands of ISIS. You'll probably remember that ISIS took Tikrit back in June and that was shortly after they captured Mosul, which is Iraq's second largest city. About 30,000 fighters are now making the push to take back Saddam Hussein's hometown. Australia is also helping more, they're sending more troops into this war zone. That country already has an air presence but the prime minister says this country is sending an additional 300 troops to Iraq so that they can help to train the Iraqi forces in their fight against ISIS. And back here at the United States, one of the so-called Brooklyn three is due in Federal Court but in Jacksonville, down in Florida. That's set to happen this afternoon and here is. His name is Abror Habibov, his 30 years old. And make no mistake, it's a nice picture that he was among the three men arrested and charged last week of conspiring to provide material support and resources to ISIS. Again the accusation, the charges to follow and perhaps the litigation, I want to get the very latest on what's happening in the fight against ISIS from senior international correspondent, Ben Wedeman who is live with me now in Baghdad. Ben, what I find so remarkable is that we have these troops going after ISIS forces in the birthplace of Saddam Hussein in Tikrit to try to retake that city. The rumor mill, the talking points is that Mosul is next. But what's different about these Iraqi forces now than the ones who threw their weapons down and ran and let ISIS take these places in the first place.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, it just seem that the Iraqi army has made a real effort to upgrade itself, so to speak. They've received a more training from the United States and what we have here is not just the Iraqi army which was the force that fled from Mosul last June, but they're joined by Shia militias and Sunni tribesmen. And what's also important here is that there's a significant Iran involvement in the operation. Qasem Soleimani, the head of the elite Iranian al-Quds force is on the ground apparently, helping supervise the operation. And according to Pentagon officials, Iranian troops are also there manning heavy artillery and rocket launchers. So, this definitely is a change from the past. Iran clearly is the investing a lot of efforts and manpower and resources to try to bolster the Iraqi army here and make this operation a success. What's also significant about this operation is that it was launched with very little consultation with the United States. And there have been no coalition air crafts making strikes on ISIS targets in the area. Ashleigh?
[Banfield:] I always say, sure, I mean little consultation with the U.S. that we know of because there are so many advisors on the ground who are calling in these locations. It's just hard to believe that there's no coordination at all between these Iranians and these Americans. But so far the word is not officially, anyway. Ben Wedeman excellent work in Baghdad for us, thank you for that. The Los Angeles Police Department, defending the officers' actions in that shooting death of a homeless man, now seen on television screens across the country over and over and over again. But some people including witnesses, say they're not buying that story that he tried to grab a policeman's gun. They've released pictures of it, but do the pictures, do the video, do these things support either side. We're breaking into it, next.

[Cooper:] Back in Crime and Punishment tonight. The parents of missing University of Virginia sophomore Hannah Graham released a video for the weekend where they called on anyone to step forward with any information where she can be found. Here's part of that message.
[Sue Graham, Mother Of Missing Uva Student:] Please, please, please help end this nightmare for all of us. Please help us to bring Hannah home.
[Copper:] Out of their, plea comes even with an arrest in the case Jesse Matthew was charged with abduction as we reported last week. Law enforcement sources tell CNN that DNA links Matthew to the rape and murder of a different woman in Virginia five years ago. We decided to dig into Matthew's past and found more surprises during his college years. Once again here's Randi Kaye.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Another Virginia college campus, another sexual assault accusation against Jesse Matthew. This time it was September 7th, 2003 at Christopher Newport University in Newport News. Paul Trible is the University's President.
[Paul Trible, President, Christopher Newport University:] A complaint was filed by a student. It was thoroughly investigated by our campus police.
[Kaye:] The school can't say much siting student privacy laws, but Trible tells us the alleged sexual assault took place somewhere on campus. He shared this new information too. The alleged victim was a student and she decided not to press charges. Still he says she did take part in campus disciplinary hearings testifying against Matthew. The school couldn't divulge the result of those hearings but Jesse Matthew was gone soon after. A spokesman for Christopher Newport University says Jesse Matthew played football here for the CNU Captains from mid August to mid September of 2003. He left the university about a month later. The school also says students don't usually leave the second month in this semester or leave the football team so quickly. The university would not say if Matthew departed on his own or was expelled. For President Trible, this is personal. His was wife was raped back in 1973. Her attacker was never identified. Matthew had enrolled at Christopher Newport University in January 2003. Shortly after leaving Liberty University in Lynchburg Virginia where he was questioned after a woman reported being raped while he was there in 2002. Investigators determined there wasn't enough evidence to charge him. It seems Christopher Newport University was unaware of that case.
[Trible:] Unless a student is an academic good standing and disciplinary good standing, we would never accept him.
[Kaye:] And now Matthew's behavior has raising eyebrows off campus at the Newport News Police Department.
[Chief Richard Myers, Newport News Police:] The timeline, the proximity of when he was occupied here is about the only link we have.
[Kaye:] Chief Richard Myers is reviewing all missing person's cases that occurred while Matthew was attending college here including the disappearance of 24-year old Autumn Day. She was last seen shopping at this food line grocery store on July 24th, 2003. Her car was later discovered in a parking lot. Less than two months later, this woman, 31-year old Sophia Rivera also disappeared. Rivera went missing after leaving her home in this neighborhood about seven miles from the campus of Christopher Newport University. Just five days after she vanished September 12, 2003, Jesse Matthew left the football team at the university. A month later, he was gone from the school. Chief Myers has been fully briefed on both women's cases.
[Myers:] At this point, there isn't anything we've uncovered that in anyway links to him.
[Kaye:] But he isn't ready to stop looking yet either.
[Cooper:] Randi Kaye joins us now. Would you able to find out ever if Liberty informed the next university?
[Kaye:] Not exactly Anderson. There's a lot of finger pointing going on here but what we know is that the NCAA requires that the school where the student is transferring from, the student athlete, they have to send what they call tracer form to the new university and say whether or not the student was in good academic standing and good disciplinary standing.
[Cooper:] Yeah.
[Kaye:] And you heard the President of the new school CNU say, I would never accept anybody who wasn't in good standing. So we went back to Liberty University and we said we would like to see the letter, the tracer form that you sent to
[Cnu. Cooper:] Right.
[Kaye:] They said they don't have it anymore that the CNAA doesn't require them to keep it after 10 years. But they also couldn't tell us whether or not they sent it directly if it was ever sent or if Jesse Matthew sent it. And then we don't know if it was complete, whoever sent it, we're they forthcoming?
[Cooper:] Right.
[Kaye:] Whether they given honest assessment of his time at Liberty University, and if not who had a hand in that since we know if the letter...
[Cooper:] Right.
[Kaye:] ... was ever sent or by whom.
[Copper:] Unbelievable. Randi thanks very much. I appreciate the reporting. More in the breaking in the breaking news. The President say saying that Ebola is a top national security priority. Coming up.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to the LEAD, continuing now the politics LEAD. Read any good articles lately, Mr. President? Former National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor gave us insight into his old boss' reading habits in an interview for buzzfeed.com.
[Tommy Vietor, Former National Security Spokesman:] He reads John Borough and he reads Ezra
[Tapper:] So, you have to wonder if the president had a chance to "New York" magazine's Jonathon's latest piece this morning titled "if you like your plan you can keep it, well, not exactly." The piece corrects the president on his frequent promise that nothing would change under the Affordable Care Act, people who already have health insurance coverage budget. The White House has already backpedalling from.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] What is absolutely true is that if you had a plan before the Affordable Care Act that you liked on the individual market and your insurance company didn't take that away from you and offer you instead something else that you didn't purchase but they provided you the same plan this whole time, you can keep it and that's true.
[Tapper:] Let's bring in the panel. CNN Political commentator and Republican strategist Ana Navarro, Washington bureau chief for "USA Today" Susan Page and columnist for "the Washington Post," Dana Milbank. Dana, what we just heard, Mr. Carney say, doesn't quite fit into a bumper sticker.
[Dana Milbank, Political Columnist, The Washington Post:] No. I think even into a tweet, it would take a bit of effort to get that out each time. And that was the problem. So the president used shorthand earlier and now he is going to be paying the price for it. And you know, it could have explained, look, under the existing system, people lose their health care plan all the time and that nothing about this is going to change that, but it didn't. And now, this president and the Democrats own everything about health care and anything bad that happens to anybody anywhere at any hospital in this country is now going to be blamed on Obamacare.
[Tapper:] Ana, Republican congressman Fred Upton of Michigan is introducing the keep your health plan act to push back on this. It would allow any insurance plans that weren't in effect on January 1st, 2013 to continue in 2014. But this has no chance of making it through the Senate, does it? Do you think this could become a law?
[Navarro:] You know, very little right now can become a law given the environment in Washington cake. But I think you are going to see a lot of backlash from the public, from the American people calling their congressmen and their senators, calling the White House angry at this. Because you have a lot of people, a lot of individuals like the woman you just interviewed, like our colleague, David Frum, who tweeted the other day about his plan being canceled. So, believe you and me, when a lot of people in the media starts getting their plans canceled, you are going hear about it a lot.
[Tapper:] Susan, I think one of the issues here is that there was, as Dana suggested, there was a simplicity to how these things were explained. Obviously, as Dana says, I think
[Susan Page, Washington Bureau Chief, Usa Today:] Yes, that's true. It has been damaging to the perception of Obamacare. We continue to have a situation where most Americans say it was a bad idea to pass this through 3 12 years after it was sign in law. But I do think we are about to get to the point where realty will begin to matter so that if they get the Web site up and running by the end of November which they promise to do, they promise repeated on Capitol Hill today, and if it works so people can go on and see their options and see what their subsidy is, and it provides them with health care that they can afford, none of this is going to matter. It is going to be fine. People are going to support Obamacare. But if it doesn't work and don't have the Web site up and running by November 30, the perception of Obamacare was a mistake, I think starts to gets set and starts to become very serious business.
[Navarro:] Look. You only have one chance to make a first impression in life. And the first impression of Obamacare is not a good one. What Susan just said may be true but there is a lot of ifs in the sentence that Susan just articulated. So if, if, if, if all those things happen, but in the meantime, for the next two months, you are going to hear all these stories of American people that are very angry with what's happening, whether it is the web cited or cancellation of plans, or losing jobs or being turned into part-time workers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
[Tapper:] Senator Lindsey Graham tweeted something. I just want to get a quick reaction from Dana on. He wrote, where are the Benghazi survivors? I'm going to block every appointment in the U.S. Senate until they are made available to Congress. Dana, do you think that's actually possible? Is he going to really be able to block every appointment until Benghazi survivors testify?
[Milbank:] Well, look, Lindsey Graham has to say that because Lindsey Graham is going to face a primary challenge on the right and he has already seen as caving on the deal on the debt limit. So he has to start getting right with his base in South Carolina. I don't think it has lot do with Benghazi.
[Navarro:] I don't agree with this at all. This is a man that reached across the aisle and done things like go against the government shutdown, who was worked on immigration. He has shown no political courage. I think he is frustrated with Benghazi and he should be.
[Tapper:] All right, that's music in your ear as if you are accepting an Oscar, accepting an Oscar. Ana Navarro, Susan Page, Dana Milbank, thank you so much for coming in. We appreciate it as always. When we come back, if the government handed you $53 billion you would probably do what they want to do with that money, right? Why one automaker is saying it's bailout of death of an American institution. Plus bottomless mimosas at Sunday brunch were a dream for young bankers working 247 in Manhattan, but all that about to change as Goldman Sachs reconsiders the notion of what is a weekend. That's ahead.

[Amanpour:] Welcome back. A team of disarmament experts have arrived in Syria to begin work on dismantling the country's stockpile of chemical weapons. So far, they say that meetings with the Syrian government have been, quote, "efficient," and President Bashar al-Assad himself insists that he'll comply with the U.S.- Russian plan which is now backed up by United Nations resolution.
[Bashar Al-assad, Syrian President:] In 2003, we had proposed [inaudible] Security Council to get rid of those weapons in the Middle East, to have a chemical weapon-free zone in the Middle East. So of course, we have to comply. This is [inaudible] comply with every treaty we sign.
[Amanpour:] But still there's plenty of skepticism that Assad will be fully forthcoming. Earlier, I spoke to General Zaher al-Sakat. He was in Assad's army, but he defected this past March when he says that he was ordered by the chemical weapons unit commander to use those weapons against civilians. He told me that he refused and that he buried the substance and replaced it with a harmless but strong-smelling chemical cleaning agent. General al-Sakat, welcome. Thanks for joining me. Let me start by asking you, do you believe that Bashar al-Assad will disarm? He has said again today that he will comply with the U.N.-Russia-U.S. plan.
[Gen. Zaher Al-sakat, Syrian Defector:] The locations of the most of the scientific research centers in Syria and the storage facilities are known and under surveillance. That he will give up those centers and facilities for sure without lying. That said, however, Bashar al-Assad will not give up the chemical stockpile. There are four secret locations inside Syria. While in the meantime there are current transfer of chemical weapons to Hezbollah and Iraq, and from there to Iran. This was detected by the security intelligence apparatus of the revolution inside Syria, which is headed by a man who is known as Abu Mohammed al-Aktahud. He is the head of the security unit that monitors all the locations of the chemical weapons of the Syrian regime.
[Amanpour:] General, you are now saying that these weapons have been moved around? General Salim Idris told me that they had been taken into Iraq and into Lebanon, but the Lebanese and the Iraqis deny that categorically. Where are these weapons being moved to?
[Al-sakat:] First of all, the observations of the movement on the ground which I completely know of, we monitored 28 large trucks moving from Judaydat Yabus toward Lebanon, then to Hezbollah, which were heavily guarded. They also found in the Fratluse area more than 50 large Mercedes and Volvo trucks also heavily guarded, moving in the direction of Iraq. The trucks were not intercepted or attacked so as not to spread chemical weapons or agents in the area, which would harm the local populations.
[Amanpour:] So just to confirm, you're saying that the regime is moving these weapons towards the border but not into Iraq or Lebanon?
[Al-sakat:] No, toward the borders. What I am saying is that we think that those trucks went to Iraq; this is our assumption. The rebels saw the secret units 416, 417 and 418, which are in charge of guarding the chemical weapons or 30 trucks moving in the direction of the Iraqi borders. They're across the Iraqi borders or not? We are not sure of that. But when the trucks crossed the Lebanese borders, we were sure that it went to Hezbollah.
[Amanpour:] General Sakat, what is it that you were ordered to do when you were in the unit that was responsible for the regime's chemical weapons?
[Al-sakat:] In the beginning of the protests, a few commanders used non-lethal chemical harassing agents, such as chloride- based chemicals without using the more dangerous agents. But when I was given the order by my immediate commander, Lt. Gen. Ali Hassan Amar, the commander of the 5th Division, to use lethal chemical agents, I replaced it with a diluted bleach and buried those lethal agents in the ground.
[Amanpour:] General Sakat, were you ordered to use chemical weapons against residents in Syria? And if so, who ordered you to do that?
[Al-sakat:] First, we should distinguish between three kinds of chemical weapons. First, the non-lethal harassing agents that were used in the beginning of the protests and were fired by automatic weapons and bombs to disperse the protesters. Two, the incapacitating agents that were used in land mines, which would produce a cloud of gas that spreads in an area, harming civilians. Three, lethal agents, such as the sarin and VX gas were used and loaded into mortar shells, Cruz missiles and weapons base of fighter jets. I was given an order to use the number two stage of chemical weapons. And I knew then that this regime would end up using lethal chemical weapons against the civilians; therefore, I defected.
[Amanpour:] Was it sarin you were asked to were you ordered
[Al-sakat:] The name of it is phosgene. We used these lethal agents inside a bombshell filled with explosives, would then blow it up so as poisonous cloud goes towards the innocent civilians. This is the truth. Many of my colleagues used this agent a lot in many areas of Syria.
[Amanpour:] I want to know who ordered you to use it? Was it President Assad? Or a commander? Who was it?
[Al-sakat:] I said the decision to use the lethal chemical weapons such as sarin, VX and iprik is a strategic military decision that would be made by the commander in chief of the armed forces, who is Bashar al-Assad. He is the commander in chief. As far as the harassing agents, as I have mentioned, they are the prerogative of the field commander, as with the incapacitating agents, which take the fighters out of the battle, I was given the order by my commander of the 5th Division, Lt. Gen. Ali Hassan Amar, who later was awarded for killing the unarmed civilians by giving him the command of the Republican Guards.
[Amanpour:] That was General al-Sakat. And after a break, while the United States Congress gives new meaning to debacle, imagine a world where Italy can keep a government together for more than nine months. If you said that unimaginable, you'd be right. Turmoil on the Tiber when we come back.

[Romans:] The Nigerian army today repelled an attack by Boko Haram, killing 40 of those militants. This is a very rare victory against the terrorists. It happened in the same area from which hundreds of schoolgirls were abducted last year. They're still gone. Boko Haram's attacks in Nigeria are becoming more intense, they are ruthless, they are indiscriminate. And officials are concerned they're not so much about tactics anymore. They think Boko Haram kills because it can. Joining me is Ricardo Rene Laremont, professor and author. Professor Laremont, what is Boko Haram's endgame here? It seems as though it was Sharia law, a rejection of Western values and Western education. But it seems as though this whole tactic has intensified into killing for killing's sake.
[Ricardo Rene Laremont, Professor & Author:] Well, it's a situation analogous to what we find with is in Iraq. In the sense that essentially northern Nigeria is being sectioned off from Nigeria itself. So where now there isn't an Iraq as we knew it or Syria as we knew it, we do not have a flir Nigeria as we knew it. They are essentially establishing their own sovereignty over the northeastern part of the country and the government isn't doing much about it.
[Romans:] The government isn't doing much about it at all, quite frankly. I mean, there were able to repeal or kill 40 militants today, a rare victory. The president, who is running for reelection, didn't even mention the killing of 2,000 people in his country by Boko Haram just a week ago in the last week. Will there be more of a response from the international community? Will there be more response from the Nigerian army?
[Laremont:] Well, the question you have to ask yourself is, why has the president not addressed the question in the north? It's really a situation that emerges from Nigeria's transition to democracy. The civilian president does not want to empower the military because he fears that if he were to give them the resources that were required, they would threaten the civilian government itself. So it's really quite logical why he's not supporting the government. And in this context, the army does not have the resources with which to confront Boko Haram. So it isn't a question of whether he doesn't want to do it. There is a logic behind why he is not supporting the military.
[Romans:] Yet, the rest of us look at this and say, girls gone, missing, sold into marriage, killed. We're told, witnesses saying, young girls as young as 10 being used as suicide bombers, boys being murdered. What is the West supposed to do? We have seen genocide in Africa before where the West didn't do enough about it and really regretted it later on. Should the international community be doing something?
[Laremont:] We need to be witnesses for the right stances to be taken in Nigeria. However, what we have learned from the Iraqi and the Syrian experiences is that we cannot go in it alone. We first have to understand the logic of the civilian president and then try to reorient his thinking so that he becomes the president of the entire country rather than a president that is entirely preoccupied with the center and the south of the country. Essentially, from my perspective, he has written off the north because he doesn't think it's necessary for him to govern there.
[Romans:] Why do you think there has been such an international response and solidarity with France and terrorism in Paris and this receives relatively less attention?
[Laremont:] It gets comparatively less attention because Paris is Paris, and Paris is a center of media. Now, in the northeastern part of Nigeria, this is essentially a no-go zone. Consequently, it is not going to get the attention that Paris would get. But nonetheless, given how we were not present at the moment of the Rwanda conflict and we acted belatedly in other crises in Africa, it is imperative upon the American electorate and media to keep attention on this issue because hundreds, indeed, thousands of ordinary Nigerians are suffering.
[Romans:] Professor Ricardo Rene Laremont, thank you so much for your expertise today. You can help the child victims of the violence in Nigeria. Head to our website, CNN.comimpact. Thank you for joining us @THISHOUR. "LEGAL VIEW" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning, I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. Kenyan forces they say they've regained control of the mall under siege for more than two days. All levels of Nairobi's Westgate Mall have been cleared but the search does continue for any hostages or terrorists, two more terrorists they tell us were killed today. Still, black smoke continues to rise from the building after the hostage takers set fire to mattresses inside. So far 62 people have died in this attack. Close to 200 others were hurt including several Americans. But one woman from North Carolina was able to escape.
[Bendita Malakia, Escaped Kenya Mall Shooting:] We stood up and we started to turn and then there was a second and we heard machine guns and then we started to run and there was a second explosion which knocked us on the ground. You could hear while we were back there methodically going from store to store talking to people, asking questions, shooting, screams, and then it would stop for a while and then they would go to another store. It was completely luck because we were on the ground and easily accessible. So I think part of it was luck. We did a lot of praying in there.
[Costello:] Just a short time ago Congressmen Peter King of New York spoke to CNN. He told NEW DAY, Kenya is still a dangerous place.
[Rep. Peter King , Homeland Security Committee:] Too often we think because bin Laden is dead that somehow the threat from Islamic terrorism is gone. It's not. In many ways it's more dangerous than ever because it's morphing and metastasizing in many countries under many different names whether it's Iraq, whether is Mali, whether it's Libya, whether it's Yemen, whether it's Somalia, whether it's Nigeria all of these countries.
[Costello:] Let's talk about that. I'm joined now by our senior international correspondent Nic Robertson. Good morning, Nic.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol.
[Costello:] I don't know if you're able to hear what Congressman King said but he said we're all in an extreme danger even within the United States from these terrorist groups. How do you characterize it?
[Robertson:] I remember talking to Mr. King just about a year and a half ago about exactly this topic. He made that point, he talked about the Somali community in the United States being relatively being a community there for the al-Shabaab type recruits could more easily recruit people from because of the nature of the community, not sort of integrated. This was this was his analysis back then and this does seem to have played in al-Shabaab's favor. They have recruited more than 100 people who were living in Britain, more than 40 in the United States, it's believed. So what we are seeing from al-Shabaab at the moment is them take a more radical turn. And that has happened under their current leadership. Some of these recruits that have come in from outside, some of them have actually been killed for challenging the leadership. That's a warning for future recruits for sure but right now that organization, al-Shabaab, is on a much more radical turn. And that's why we're seeing an attack like this in Kenya that they haven't mounted before Carol.
[Costello:] Well al-Shabaab is recruiting here in the United States but they are taking their recruits overseas to carry out their terrorist attacks. I'm sure that in many Americans mind is the concern that al-Shabaab will recruit terrorist who will work within the United States. How much of a danger is that?
[Robertson:] That is a danger. I mean here in Britain, the head of MI- 5, I guess the equivalent to the FBI said three years ago here that the people fighting alongside al-Shabaab now could be committing acts of terror on the streets in Britain, by implication the United States as well in the future years. So it's a very real concern. At the same time, because so many people have gone and because intelligence agencies have had time to scrutinize who they are, there is a certain level of comfort is the wrong word but there's a certain level of of hope, at least, that they would know, intelligence authorities would know these people, who they are, and would be able to pick them up if they tried to come back to the United States or the United Kingdom. Again, that really relies on them coming back in on without fake passports. It relies on them coming back in through airports or ports where they can be readily picked up. But it is a major concern that they would go to Somalia, get training, get this al Qaeda ideology, be directed to target places in the United States. So it's so it is an active concern. And there's a hope that it's under control to a degree, Carol.
[Costello:] Ok our national security expert Bob Baer joins us now. You stay right there Nic, but Bob I wanted to ask you about this. We talked a short ago to Brian Todd. He's in Minneapolis where al- Shabaab is apparently recruiting these young men to go to Somalia, to undergo this terrorist training. But Brian Todd said that al-Shabaab is kind of telling these young men that their lives will be better, that they won't partake in these terrible these terrible murderous sprees. What are you hearing about the ways al-Shabaab was able to recruit these young men in the United States who were born here?
[Bob Baer, Former Cia Operative:] Well, they convince them to go back to Somalia to help. It may start off as completely benign but once they get in the milieu of Somalia and they pick up a gun, they take on this jihadist mentality which tells them take take the war where you can, whether it's in Nairobi or Minneapolis. I mean this is a very real fear. Almost every office FBI office in the Midwest is focused on the Somalis community going back second generation, getting trained, and coming back to this country. It's a very real fear which cannot be ignored.
[Costello:] Nic was telling us a short time ago that this was an unusual place to target for al-Shabaab, this shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya upscale shopping mall, very nice. I'm sure that authorities here in the United States are also concerned are also concerned about these so-called soft targets.
[Baer:] Well, they are absolutely indefensible. I mean there's no amount of security you can put in the front door of a mall and ever protect it. It's a soft target, just as airplanes were before 911. And now we have a new soft target and you're going to see, I think, almost inevitably some sort of copycat attack, whether it's in Africa, Europe or the United States.
[Costello:] Ok. So what you just said is really frightening, Bob.
[Baer:] I I'm very frightened. You know I've been talking about malls for ten years and nothing has happened. But I think I think this is that's the drift. They are going for any target that they can get to and planes are out, malls are in.
[Costello:] Bob Baer, Nic Robertson, thanks so much, I think. Checking other stories at 37 minutes past. Two Navy crew members remain missing after their Night Hawk helicopter crashed into the Red Sea. Three other crew members were rescued. Officials say the helicopter was operation with the destroyer "USS William T. Lawrence" when it crashed. The cause is still under investigation but the Navy says it was quote, "Not due to any sort of hostile activity." Vice President Joe Biden in Colorado today where he will survey the aftermath of severe flooding that took seven lives and also destroyed homes and roads across the state. Some initial estimates have valued the cost of destruction at nearly $2 billion. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, time is running out for Congress. Lawmakers have exactly one week to pass a spending bill in order to avoid a government shutdown but will it be able to come up with some compromise as the debate continues to heat up over Obamacare.

[Berman:] We have some remarkable pictures to show right now. Thousands of people evacuated from a smaller town in southern Chile, where a volcano has erupted twice already and it could blow again. Look at the ash cloud from the Calbuco Volcano. It is nine miles high. It is disrupting air travel, covering much of Chile and parts of neighboring Argentina, and up to two feet of ash. This is a problem. I want to bring in CNN Shasta Darlington live from Santiago in Chile. Good morning, Shasta.
[Shasta Darlington, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning. Yes, these images are apocalyptic. The first eruption lasted 90 minutes, sending this huge mushroom shaped cloud of ash into the sky. We saw lightning, multicolored clouds, really cinematic if you will for those of us not that close to it. But for the residents, it was absolute panic. Many of them rushed to evacuate. They lined up at gas stations to buy gas, to buy water. Now, of course, officials have evacuated more than 4,400 people. They set up the zone about 13 miles wide around the volcano, trying to isolate it, keep people safe. Luckily, no one has been injured. There was a hiker that was missing, but he was found. What volcanologists are keeping an eye on is the activity. Calbuco has calmed down, but they say it's unstable and it very likely that it will go off a third time. And this is important because we could see more of that ash which is just so damaging for livestock, for agriculture, airports closed down. But also, if we see any significant amount of lava, that could also start melting the glaciers in the region and we could see flooding. So, we're still very much on alert. The tourist towns around there are on alert. And officials say they could widen the area of evacuation if we see a third eruption, John.
[Berman:] Shasta, these pictures are remarkable to look at. Beautiful from afar, but cause for serious concern in the region. We will keep our eye on this. Shasta Darlington, thanks so much. Fifty-four minutes after the hour right now. If you are looking to buy a giant cable company, you may be in luck. One suddenly just became available. Details on one of the biggest mergers gone bust, next.

[Jimmy Fallon, Comedian:] North Korea said that it's ready to resume nuclear talks with the U.S. for the first time in five years. President Obama said it's going to be pretty awkward. Not talking to North Korea but having to thank Dennis Rodman.
[Conan O'brian, Comedian:] The CEO of Starbucks is asking customers to stop bringing guns into the coffee chain stores. Yes. He said it's our job to rob you guys.
[Bolduan:] That $4 latte. Nice job, Conan.
[Cuomo:] I like that. Coco wins. Did you know that pro golf crowns a solo champion each season.
[Pereira:] No.
[Cuomo:] I didn't. Well, they do. And the winner's prize, a cool $10 million. Let's bring in Andy Scholes for this morning's Bleacher Report. I didn't know about this but I like it.
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] Big bucks on the line this weekend, guys, for the 30 golfers competing in this year's tour championship. five players can win the $10 million by winning this weekend in Atlanta. This five golfers are Tiger Woods, Henrik Stenson, Adam Scott, Jack Johnson, and Matt Kuchar. The tournament kicks off this morning at 11:40 eastern. Tiger's going to be the last one to tee off. He gets started at 2 eastern, this afternoon. A huge trade went down in the NFL yesterday. The Cleveland Browns sent runningback Trent Richardson to the Indianapolis Colts for a first round pick in next year's draft. Browns fans aren't happy about this one. They drafted Richardson third overall just last year, now they're starting over once again. The Colts meanwhile, have an amazing one-two punch in Richardson and Andrew Luck. In the lineup section of Bleacherreport.com, today check out beard night at Fenway Park. Fans with a beard, real or fake, were given $1 tickets to last night's game against the Orioles. More than 4,000 fans took advantage of the deal. They held this promotion because the majority of the Red Sox players are rocking beards right now. They got that started pretty early in the season. You see a lot of teams do the playoff beard thing, but the Red Sox have been doing it for a while. It's working. They have the best record in baseball.
[Bolduan:] Beard night. I like that. Andy Scholes, I'm trying to imagine you with a beard. I don't even know.
[Scholes:] I would love to grow one, but unfortunately they make me shave every morning.
[Cuomo:] Can't distract from that face, Andy. Too good looking for a beard.
[Bolduan:] Andy is going to stop coming on. He's like all you do is pick on me.
[Cuomo:] By calling him handsome. Poor Andy.
[Bolduan:] Thanks Andy. He's like I don't even. Ok. Yeah. Exactly. All right, you're hearing the music. You know that that means. It's time for the rock block, everyone. A quick roundup of the stories you'll be talking about today. First up, Michaela.
[Pereira:] Let's take a look in the "New York Daily News" the hottest jobs for graduating class of 2018 are expected to be in healthcare research and development as well as sales and marketing. From "USA Today," Bill and Hillary Clinton backing publicate advocate public advocate De Blasio to become New York's next mayor. It's the first time the Clintons have weighed in, and now that Anthony Weiner is out. "The New York Post," a homeless man from Boston, he found a bag filled with $40,000 in travelers checks and turned it in to police. He's being rewarded for his honesty. Glenn James as so far received $73,000 in donations. Warms your heart, doesn't it? Time now for business news and Christine Romans.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Correspondent:] The iPhone hits stores on Friday morning but maybe you can't wake up at dawn to wait in line. A service called Task Rabbit is advertising line sitters to go in line to wait for you. So you just have to pay someone else to wait in that long line. It will cost $14 an hour. Grand Theft Auto 5, you know the ultra violent video game, it's been flying off the shelves. It's sold a record $800 million in one day. The release is a good sign that this fall's big game franchise follow- ups will do well also. He started a craze, Beanie Babies. Remember Beanie Babies? The government says he stashed a bunch of cash in a Swiss bank account and didn't pay tax on it. Ty Warner set to plead guilty to tax evasion and pay a $53 million penalty. All right, let's get to Indra Petersons for the weather, Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] High pressure is hanging on a little bit longer. This is our last week of summer, and we are actually going to be warming up for a few more days. So we are enjoying this. Temperatures should go just a hint above normal, New York, 74, 75. Nothing drastic here. Notice what's going on in Pittsburgh. By Saturday we go from 80s to 60s. Whoa, what is going on? It looks like we're setting up for an amazing weekend. No. Cold front starts to slide through. By Saturday night in through Sunday, yes, we are going to be talking about rain here in the northeast. For your last day of summer? Tell me what is wrong for this equation.
[Bolduan:] Thanks, Indra. We're now at the top of the hour which means it's time for the top news.
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[Cuomo:] Good morning. Welcome back to NEW DAY. it's Thursday, September 19th, 7:00 in the east. Coming up this hour, a horrible kidnapping has an improbable happy ending. The teenager who was abducted at gun point, a terrifying home invasion back with her family this morning. Two suspects in custody. But the armed men who kidnapped the teen still on the run. There are questions about the mother's connection to one of those suspects. We'll try to unravel it this morning.
[Bolduan:] She is back home. Plus, ahead here's a question for you. How much food do you think you throw out every week just because it's past the expiration date? Well, it turns out those sell by and best by labels could be misleading. There's a new study about how long your food really lasts. It's an interesting conversation. We'll have that.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] LeBron's amazing dunk after dunk after dunk. King James heating up the Lakers Miami style. And this. Queen B, Bieber, "Breaking Bad," the must-see, most talked about, tweeted, Facebooked, Vined, Instagramed, Snapchated entertainment stories that got us talking on 2013. NEWSROOM starts now. Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thanks so much for joining me. Christmas presents open. Wrapping paper discarded. Now it's time to buy more stuff, and retailers are certainly ready. They're offering massive discounts to get you through the door. Savings up to 70 percent in stores like Saks Fifth Avenue. Best Buy is offering a free iPhone 5c with a two-year contract. Amazon has 32 inch TVs for just $180. And Sears is offering 40 percent off appliances over $500 if you pay with your Sears credit card. In the meantime thousands of angry families are still waiting for their gifts to arrive. UPS is in full damage control mode as irate gift givers take to social media blasting the shipper over ruined Christmases. We're covering both stories for you this morning. Margaret Conley is outside Macy's Harold Square in New York, eyeing those deep discounts. And Nick Valencia is eyeing the outrage at UPS. But let's start with you, Margaret. Lots of people in the stores?
[Margaret Conley, Cnn Correspondent:] Carol, today is the day for deals and discounts. Now Christmas sales were down about 3 percent compared to last year, but that hasn't stopped a lot of stores from extending their hours and offering more discounts. You mentioned a few of them. Toys "R" Us, they're open for 14 hours today. Wal-Mart, they're offering sales 25 to 50 percent off, and JCPenney, they're giving out coupons. Macy's right here in Harold Square, they were open at 6:00 a.m. this morning. And here's what the shoppers had to say.
[Unidentified Female:] From Australia. And we're here to do a little shopping and feel the tourist attractions. And yes, we're going on a helicopter flight over New York today. And we're from Sweden and we're going back home today. And we had one shirt and it was the wrong size, the wrong figure. Everything was totally wrong. So we had Go to Saks to do you know, biggest store.
[Unidentified Male:] You hit that store. My son is at Champs and I'm over here getting some things, you know, some last-minute gifts, and we're just having a good time doing it.
[Conley:] Now those returns can be costly for retailers, Carol. On average, retailers can get about 2 to 10 percent in returns.
[Costello:] All right. Margaret Conley, thank so much. And while excited shoppers are hitting stores, enraged customers are lashing out at UPS. Many gift givers are treating the shipping firm like the Grinch who stole Christmas going online to vent what they believe is an epic fail. UPS couldn't get all the packages delivered in time for the holiday, blaming the weather and high demand. Don't blame the drivers, though. One driver told "USA Today" he delivered 505 packages on Monday alone. He said, this has been the worst Christmas ever. Some people are pointing fingers at customers. Trade Tricks tweeted, "People should shop and ship earlier. Don't say #upsfail for poor planning. There are 364 days in a year so take responsibility for your actions." CNN's Nick Valencia joins us now and I'm sure UPS is hoping lots of customers feel that same way but there's a lot of anger out there, too.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] So many enraged. And this is an issue for thousands of people. We've heard from a lot of them on social media and thousands of viewers still looking out your front windows waiting for your UPS driver to arrive with those Christmas gifts that didn't quite make it under the Christmas tree. UPS and FedEx apologizing to scores of angry customers today, but the two companies say it's not all their fault.
[Valencia:] UPS trucks are back out in full force this morning trying to deliver packages that were supposed to be delivered by Christmas morning.
[Unidentified Female:] I waited around for hours and hours for it to show up and it never did.
[Valencia:] Thousands of gifts not delivered on time waiting in UPS warehouses to be shipped. UPS says they've already delivered an estimated 132 million packages in the last week alone. Blaming the backlog on an unprecedented surge in online sales and bad weather. UPS released a statement saying, in part, "The volume of air packages in our system exceeded the capacity of our network, immediately preceding Christmas so some shipments were delayed." But many are still unhappy.
[Unidentified Male:] And they're still blaming it on the ice storm which was 2 12 weeks ago. It's terribly disappointing because we ordered these things on December 1st. We got to the front of the line after waiting for about an hour and they said it hasn't been processed yet.
[Valencia:] Disappointed customers stormed online customer support tweeting, got same message. Still waiting for the response from this morning along with my granddaughter's Christmas gift. And, "Busy during December? Who would have thought it, #BunchofClowns."
[Unidentified Male:] How are you doing today?
[Valencia:] UPS isn't the only delivery company experiencing delays. People lined up at this FedEx shipment center in Oregon on Christmas day.
[Unidentified Female:] They left me a note and I thank God they're open so I can go to my parents and give my mom her gift.
[Valencia:] Meanwhile, UPS says they expect the vast majority of packages to be delivered today. And it's not just UPS and FedEx that are in trouble with their customers, it's those online companies, Carol, that rely heavily on their services. Amazon.com, for instance, they say they're going to be refunding shipping charges, sending out gift cards, $20 gift cards. So who knows what the estimated impact for their company is going to be financially but they're trying to make up for this blunder. A lot of people very upset this morning Carol.
[Costello:] You know, if they had just sent out some kind of message saying
[Valencia:] Right.
[Costello:] You know, we're backed up. Your gifts may not get there in time, just a warning.
[Valencia:] And it's not just gifts, Carol. It's medications for people with diabetes, insulin, important medications that people rely on. So this is a big deal. It goes beyond the superficial Christmas gift.
[Costello:] Yes. And we did reach out to FedEx and UPS this morning. No response yet.
[Valencia:] We're waiting to hear back.
[Costello:] Yes, we are. Nick Valencia, thanks so much.
[Valencia:] You bet.
[Costello:] A Christmas cruise has taken a turn for the worst. A Polar Expedition ship is trapped in ice near Antarctica. None of the 74 passengers on board has been hurt and three ice breaking ships are now heading their way. Help could be at least a day away, though, but luckily the passengers have plenty of food on board while they wait. It is the day after Christmas and thousands of people are waking up to another day without power, but there is some good news for those in Michigan. The power is slowly being turned back on. Power crews are braving ice and freezing temperatures to get those lights back on and the heat, too. One man says instead of calling to yell at the power company, do something nice for the hard-working crews.
[Randy Harless, Lost Power In Storm:] The more you get upset about it, try to argue with somebody at customer service to get the power back on. It's not going to help. Just wait. Let it happen. If you see a crew out here working, you know, treat them nice. Bring them some coffee. You know, see what you can do for them because it's cold out here. They're stuck out here. So be nice to them.
[Costello:] Yes. It's not their fault. Chad Myers is keeping an eye on the cold and icy conditions. He's live in New York this morning. Good morning, Chad.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Carol, good morning. Not only was it icy and the power is out, but it has just been brutally cold. Look at the last three mornings in Detroit, 23, 12, and 11. We're up towards Burlington. This entire area, right through Toronto, where Hydro Canada just put so many power lines back up I didn't even they can count them all. All the way back up to Burlington where the morning low yesterday was zero. Now it is going to be warming. This is the coldest of the rest of the week. We warm up a little bit. I'm talking three to four degrees. So barely getting anywhere. But when the power lines come back, at least your heat comes back. Silver City up in the UP for the upers, 16 inches of snow in 24 hours. At least they had power there. Some snow coming into New York, into Binghamton, also into Scranton, into Buffalo. No big surprise the snow is going to move into Buffalo. Could see some delays across the northeast. There were some deicing. I think you're going to have to get some of that light snow off the plane's wings anyway. And then on up toward Maine we'll see some snow. The next couple of clippers coming down from the northwest. I do believe there is a potential for a storm to run up the East Coast and really mangle Sunday afternoon and Monday traffic here especially if it gets cold enough. We'll have to see. Every progressive storm is just a couple of degrees colder so what was a rain event two weeks ago will now be a snow event as we see highs only in the 30s, even Chicago 15. But it feels like right now in the windy city it is windy. It feels like zero Carol.
[Costello:] Just makes me shiver. Chad Myers, many thanks. Also this morning, a heartbreaking plea from an American who was taken hostage in Pakistan more than two years ago. In a video released by al Qaeda on Christmas day a former U.S. government contractor, Warren Weinstein, calls on President Obama to negotiate his freedom.
[Warren Weinstein, American Taken Hostage In Pakistan:] Now I need my government. It seems that I have been totally abandoned and forgotten.
[Costello:] CNN's Barbara Starr is at the Pentagon with more on this story. Good morning.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Worth recalling what happened to this man working in Lahore, Pakistan as a U.S. government contractor. 72-year-old Warren Weinstein was taken captive, kidnapped out of his house when gunmen broke in and overpowered his security team. The head of al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, claimed responsibility for that attack. There have been previous videos, photos, signs of life but this latest video shows Weinstein really in pretty poor shape. He is a man who is making a plea for help. Have a listen.
[Weinstein:] I'm now over 72 years of age. I'm not in good health. I have a heart condition. I suffer from acute asthma and the years have taken their toll. I have been cut off from my family. My wife, who's over 70, my two daughters, my two grandchildren, my son-in-law and perhaps new members of the family whom I have never met. Needles to say, I have been suffering deep anxiety every part of every day, not knowing what is happening to my family, not knowing how they are and because I am not with them.
[Starr:] This 13-minute video obviously made under some conditions of duress as he is being held. No response yet from the Obama administration, but he does make that direct plea to the president, Secretary of State John Kerry and the American public for help in getting him out of there. Al Qaeda has been asking for a release of its prisoners in exchange. No reason to believe that the U.S. position has changed, which is it does not negotiate Carol.
[Costello:] Barbara Starr reporting live from the Pentagon this morning. Thanks so much. Still to come on the NEWSROOM. "Duck Dynasty" and white privilege Jesse Jackson takes aim at the show's star and his controversial comments next.

[Whitfield:] The reality show "Duck Dynasty" on A&E; is setting records. People can't seem to get enough of the Louisiana family, their back country lifestyle and their long beards. But not everyone knows who they are. One of the brothers was in New York promoting the show's fourth season. And he says he was kicked out of his hotel when someone mistook him for a homeless man. He joked that he was a victim of facial profiling. CNN's Jake Tapper takes a closer look at the family and their calling, and why millions of viewers are flocking to them.
[Jake Tapper, Anchor, "the Lead With Jake Tapper":] Come listen to my story about the Robertson clan.
[Unidentified Male:] My idea of happiness is killing things.
[Tapper:] Multi-millionaire's Commander Duck Call businessman. They star in a reality show on the channel A&E; by kind of mocking proletariats on behalf of bourgeoisie.
[Unidentified Male:] Don't marry some of the other girl. I'm a low- tech man in a high-tech world. I don't think I even need a razor.
[Tapper:] "Duck Dynasty," that is. Ratings gold.
[Unidentified Male:] Everybody happy, happy, happy.
[Tapper:] Fifty years ago, "The Beverly Hillbillies" endeared America to the idea of a backcountry clans sticking to their roots after striking it rich. But the Clampetts could never have imagined a dynasty like this one.
[Unidentified Male:] What are you shooting at? Water snakes.
[Tapper:] "Duck Dynasty" broke records last season with nearly 10 million viewers tuning in for the finale. By the way, that's more than 700 times the population of the family's hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana.
[Brian Lowry, Tv Critic, Variety:] Really what the show is is it's a very effective sitcom. They've managed to create a patina of authenticity around a show that is very carefully shaped into a very familiar sitcom format.
[Tapper:] And unlike the Clampetts, not only are the Robertsons real people, but they still live in their hometown. One official tour invites visitors to duck into the city of Monroe and follow the beards. Now to the beards. The famously unkempt facial hair has become a star of its own. I even felt a bit bare when I met Willie Robertson at the White House Correspondents Dinner this year. Luckily the show is so popular there's an app for that. The "Duck Dynasty Beard Booth." Problem solved. There is a dark side to this bayou business. Many of Hollywood's more traditional scripted TV comedies and drama see "Duck Dynasty" and its astounding ratings as a threat and an example of how TV entertainment is being dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
[Lowry:] What we're seeing is there are all kinds of viewers watching some of these shows for different reasons. Some watch them because they relate to the characters, and some people watch it to feel superior to the characters. The truth is, for A&E;'s purposes, it doesn't matter why people watch as long as they keep doing it.
[Tapper:] Fans, however, argue it's not the beards or the camouflage that make the show attractive to its core audience, it's the Clampetts' style clean humor and values.
[Unidentified Male:] We're going to learn about a hard day's work. It's a new concept for you all.
[Will Robertson, Duck Dynasty:] You know, you just don't feel bad about watching it. It's good, it's family values and it pulls people together, and that's what people tell me that's the parts they like about it, and it's funny.
[Tapper:] So a wholesome family man of faith from the south with rock star popularity, you say? Queue political parties smelling a winner. And yes, the Twitter-verse is outgoing with calls for the Duck Commander's CEO to fill the congressional seat being left vacant this year by Louisiana representative Rodney Alexander.
[Robertson:] I'm kind of busy right now.
[Tapper:] But in his appearance on FOX News Tuesday, Willie Robertson did not seem all that interested.
[Robertson:] Are you scared of my policies and what I would bring in?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Robertson:] Exactly what we need to take the Duck Commander empire to the next level.
[Tapper:] And now Deadline Hollywood reports that the Robertson clan has successfully negotiated and 400 to 500 percent raise for this season. Earning more than $200,000 an episode, though of course that will be divided up among the nine adults and 11 children who make up the family. Jake Tapper, CNN, Washington.
[Whitfield:] All right. My ducks might like it wet but most especially the southeast are asking, who will stop the rain? Yet another front. Something more heavy moisture on an area that is already waterlogged. We'll take a look at one of the wettest summers ever.

[Costello:] All right. A bit of news just in to CNN. The Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was taken to the hospital this morning, we believe it's nothing serious, in fact his office sent us a statement he wasn't feeling well and just as precaution they took him to the hospital. The doctors did some tests. Apparently, Senator Reid is feel better but he's remaining in the hospital just for now, he's under observation. If there are any more developments on the story we'll pass it along to you. In other news this morning, lawmakers in California have an idea that could wipe out cell phones fast, it's a big problem. As you might know, I was a victim myself. Some punk kid ran up behind me while I was talking on my cell phone and ripped it out of my hand with a chunk of my hair. I was lucky because he didn't have a gun, like this guy did on a Seattle bus. This guy used a gun to steal people's smartphones until the crowd turned on him and beat him up. Now, officials in California are proposing a new law that could end this kind of crime. They want to require smartphone manufacturers to install a kill switch that would make it impossible to use stolen or lost devices. Now, the idea is if thieves can't use your phone, there's no point in stealing it. Simple, and it's simple and beautiful, right? Joining me now from New York is Brett Larson, host of "Tech Bytes." Brett, welcome.
[Brett Larson, Tech Bytes:] Hey, Carol. Thanks for having me.
[Costello:] This sounds like a fantastic idea. So, I would assume that cell phone manufacturers are jumping on board with joy.
[Larson:] Wouldn't you think they would all be on the band wagon for stopping cell phone theft? But surprisingly, they're not. What happened to you is a horrible example of what is happening in a lot of major cities. It's called apple picking, they literally run up behind you or come up from in front of you with a gun or a weapon and steal your phone and it's terrible. And the cell phone companies, there's been talk about let's do something about this, let's make these phones. They have a serial number unique to every individual phone, make them so they don't work anymore once they're stolen. And they haven't gotten on board with this. So, now, we're seeing this legislation out of California which may push this process along of instilling this kill switch.
[Costello:] What is the kill switch, is it like an app? Could I install it on my phone?
[Larson:] Right. It would be something that the device manufacturer would actually put into the phone, it would be a software, not a physical switch but a software that runs that would effectively listen for or take in a signal from either the cell phone carrier or from law enforcement officials, once you say my phone is stolen, they send out the signal to the smartphone, the signal tells the phone to shut down and then your phone is inoperable. So, now, the downside to that is if that kill switch is accidentally flipped, that you have a phone that no longer works. One of the reasons that the cellular telephone industry, the CTIA doesn't want to get behind a kill switch is what they're afraid of is hackers could gain access to these things and send that signal to your phone for no reason and then you have what's known as a brick your phone is, doesn't do anything, it doesn't even turn on.
[Costello:] That is a new term that I think everyone should learn, a brick, and we have a definition to put up. So, tell us what a brick is.
[Larson:] A brick is when your really expensive smartphone becomes a really expensive brick because it doesn't work.
[Costello:] OK.
[Larson:] You basically, you have a $500 paperweight, and there you go. You can throw it at the wall in frustration. You can let it sit on your desk. It's not doing anything.
[Costello:] I just thought people had to know. Doesn't the new version of the iPhone have something like a kill switch installed?
[Larson:] It does. With the iCloud services that Apple offers, you can go online and you can see where your phone is, you can send instructions to your phone, you can send messages to say, hey, if you found this phone please call this number. You can lock your phone. You can also erase all of your personal data on your cell phone. But the one this in one thing you can't do is tell it, don't ever turn on again. The problem here is if somebody steals this phone, I can erase all my data, I can make it not work unless you punch in my code, but if you stole my phone, there's a pretty good chance you're going to be able to take that to a computer, plug it in and wipe out the data, including the data that says don't open it until you put a password in, and turn around it and sell it.
[Costello:] Yes. Well, I'm sure that's exactly what happened to my iPhone, someone's enjoying it to this day, although I don't know who that person is. Thank you, Brett Larson, for joining me this morning, much appreciate it.
[Larson:] Thanks for having me.
[Costello:] Still to come in the
[Newsroom:] a night out in a London theater turns terrifying when the roof collapses during the performance. Max Foster is in London this morning.
[Max Foster, Cnn International Correspondent:] Carol, imagine I've been speaking to people that were in there, they either felt rubble fall on top of them in the middle of this performance or they saw a cloud of smoke and were rushed out. Details after this.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour. Tonight, is Iraq imploding? Violence and the casualties there are the worst in five years. Remember Fallujah, Ramadi, the Anbar province? That's where the bloodiest fighting took place after the 2003 U.S. war in Iraq. And the region is at risk of being taken over again by a major surge from Al Qaeda. Latest scenes from Baghdad show government forces getting ready to move into Anbar province to try to put down the insurgency, which is spreading like wildfire there. Fallujah has already fallen and Iraq's prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, is calling on residents to drive the terrorists out. But the militants' rise is only part of this unfolding disaster, which has been heavily compounded by a disenfranchised Sunni population that feels sidelined by Maliki's Shiite-led government. Hundreds if not thousands have already fled the violence; and it is all a far cry from seven years ago when a U.S. troop surge quelled the worst of the country's civil war. That was before President Obama withdrew all U.S. forces two years ago. And since then, the violence has simply surged to record heights. In the face of Al Qaeda's worrying reemergence, Secretary of State John Kerry now says that the United States will try to help but it won't be sending any troops into Iraq. So will civil war finally rip the country apart? Joining me now from Beirut is Mowaffak al-Rubaie, who is a close ally of Prime Minister Maliki and who was Iraq's national security adviser for five years after the fall of Saddam Hussein. Welcome to the program, Mr. Rubaie, and thank you so much for joining me. You have said that this is a critical moment in your country's history. How bad is it?
[Mowaffak Al-rubaie, Former Iraqi National Security Adviser:] Well, what I meant by critical moment is that this is the biggest fight the Iraqi security forces are going to take on their own without the Americans around. So it is a big challenge; but I'm pretty sure and there is no shadow of doubt in my mind that Iraqi security forces will prevail. But most important is the Western media. Most of the Western media has got this wrong. They depict it as a Shia versus Sunnis or Shia dominated government, killing the Sunni communities. This is totally wrong. This is a fight between Iraq and Al Qaeda terrorists. This is a fight between our constitutionally elected government in Baghdad and the outlaws, the terrorists of Al Qaeda in the desert.
[Amanpour:] OK. Well, let's take both of those issues. First and foremost, what makes you so sure that the Iraqi forces will actually be able to retake Fallujah and quell the Al Qaeda part of the insurgency, elsewhere in the Anbar province? Because so far they're not doing too well. And in fact, in some areas, the Sunni tribespeople are also, you know, joining up with some of the insurgents.
[Al-rubaie:] The reason is multifactorial because, number one is we are much more suited for this fight; number two, the size and the training of the Iraqi security forces, we have the best counterterrorist forces in the region. Number three is the tribal, local tribal tribesmen are siding with the government forces. And number four is the local government of al-Anbar is also siding with the Iraqi security forces. So the local population as well. And also the government of Iraq has a whole host of package for number one is to evacuate Fallujah; number is to go for security measures and number three is the humanitarian aid and number four is the injection of cash in the local economy to create more jobs. And number five is the whole measures of political reconciliation in the region to include the Sunni community and to include the Sunni Arab leaders in the further government of Baghdad.
[Amanpour:] Mr. Rubaie, this does smack of desperation and of last-ditch measures. You will presumably admit that, in fact, the Maliki government has alienated the Sunni population to a large degree. That is not even beyond a shadow of a doubt.
[Al-rubaie:] I beg to differ here because I don't think we should argue what Mr. Maliki has done before or what his economic policy, what is his social policy and so and so forth. I believe we have a fight; the Iraqi security forces need to win. And all Iraqis should back and or should back the Iraqi security forces, all parliamentary blocs, political parties, whether they are inside the political process, outside the political process, inside the parliament, outside the parliament, inside the government, outside the government. They should unite. They should unite behind the Iraqi security forces to get them to win this fight and then after that we will argue who was right, who was wrong. And the economic policy and the social policies and security policy and so and so forth.
[Amanpour:] You know, when we talk about Fallujah and Ramadi, I mean, it reminds all of us who were there of the bad old days of 2004, '05, '06. What is the effect and what has been the effect of the U.S. pulling out all its troops two years ago? Because as we've seen it, the violence has simply surged since then.
[Al-rubaie:] This is not going to be an easy fight in Fallujah. Because the Americans in 2004, they lost 140 of their soldiers and thousands of civilians were killed. So this is not going to be easy fight, I can tell you that for sure. But what we don't we will not need any boots on the ground and what we need, we need to improve and increase our intelligence capacity, our reconnaissance capacity, our surveillance capacity, our Hellfire capacity as well as we need probably an armed predators; we need the drones. We need the Apache to be delivered quickly. We need technological support from the United States of America. We will not ask and we will not need any of the boots on the ground.
[Amanpour:] Mowaffak al-Rubaie, thank you so much indeed for joining me. Former Iraqi national security adviser. And so, you heard what he said; what can America do now? Barack Obama said that he would extricate the country from George Bush's war, and he did, at least he extricated all U.S. troops exactly two years ago. May have been popular at home, but was it wise? Turning now to Meghan O'Sullivan, who was one of President Bush's chief Iraq advisers, and she joins me from Harvard University where she teaches. Megan, it's good to see you again. You heard what Mr. Al-Rubaie just said. What is it going to take to win back Fallujah as a start?
[Meghan O'sullivan, Former U.s. Deputy National Security Adviser For Iraq:] The most immediate thing to watch is where the tribes in Anbar, where their allegiances fall. Do they do they back the government of Nouri al- Maliki? Or do they fight alongside the Al Qaeda affiliated militants? Or do they fall somewhere in between, which would effectively be in favor of the Al Qaeda affiliated militants? This is the primary variable to watch. But beyond that, there needs to be a lot more changes in the policies of the government of Iraq in order for this threat to be neutralized. Of course, what we're seeing is really the culmination of two things. We're seeing the worsening situation in Syria spilling into Iraq. And we're seeing the product of increasingly authoritarian policies on the part of the Iraqi government that have marginalized Sunnis. All of these things are in the basket that we now see erupting in Fallujah and to a lesser extent in Ramadi.
[Amanpour:] So there have been many disturbing reports of those very same Sunni tribal leaders who joined with the United States in the so-called awakening back in 2007, which, together with the surge back then, pacified the Anbar area. And there seem to be troubling indications that they're not actually on that side anymore.
[O'sullivan:] I think this is very much at play. And as Dr. Mowaffak suggested, the Iraqi government is surging in its efforts to try to convince the Sunni tribals leaders that, in fact, he can be a credible partner for them in Baghdad and in the governance of Iraq. This is going to be a very hard sell for Prime Minister Maliki. Back in 2007 and 2008, when you had the surge and you had the awakening, there you did see that these tribes groups actually aligned themselves with the Maliki government. But since that time, there have been really now several years of disappointment. So Maliki is going to have to work a lot harder and it's also conceivable that the Al Qaeda militants have gotten smarter. One of the things that really alienated the tribes at Anbar back in 2006- 2007 was the very severe policies of Al Qaeda in Iraq, the predecessor organization. They had strict implementation of Islamic law. And this alienated a lot of the tribesmen and led them to move to work with the U.S. government and with the Iraqi forces. We'll have to see how that balance shakes out. I would hope that the tribesmen would see that as much as they dislike the Maliki government, that their fortunes under Al Qaeda militants would be even worse. And that, I think, is still a question that's outstanding.
[Amanpour:] And very briefly and finally, Meghan, do you see an end to this? Do you feel as Dr. Mowaffak said, that the Iraqi forces will defeat this resurgent Al Qaeda?
[O'sullivan:] Again, I think it goes back to where the Sunni tribesmen are going to go. But I would rather conclude on a much broader point, which is not necessarily about what happens in Fallujah over the coming days. It really has to do with what is going to happen to the government in Baghdad. Is it going to be a government that can credibility represent all Iraqis? Because if it's not, Iraq doesn't have any prospect of being stable. And certainly as long as the Syrian conflict continues, that will also be difficult.
[Amanpour:] Meghan O'Sullivan, thank you very much indeed for joining us with your perspective.
[O'sullivan:] Thank you very much.
[Amanpour:] And solutions to crises on Earth may seem even more clearly from 250 miles up in space is definitely in these days, as the Hollywood blockbuster, "Gravity," starring Sandra Bullock proved, while reminding us of the extreme dangers of space exploration. [Video Clip, "gravity"] After a break, the real thing: International Space Station commander Col. Chris Hadfield, who willingly put himself in harm's way to expand humanity's horizons. And, oh, by the way, was a great zero gravity singer, too. [Video Clip, "space Oddity," Col. Chris Hadfield] That, of course, was courtesy David Bowie; Chris Hadfield when we come back.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] It's 29 minutes past the hour. The U.S., Japan, Jordan and Britain are all condemning what appears to be the beheading of a second Japanese hostage by ISIS. Marchers filled the streets of Tokyo in a silent grieving tribute to Kenji Goto. You see it there.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] Yes, he had he gone to Syria to try to save his friend who was also taken by hostage and met the same fate. Japan's prime minister held a cabinet meeting and a show of defiance to the terrorists, he said Japan will continue aiding countries opposing ISIS.
[Shinzo Abe, Japanese Prime Minister:] I feel the strongest anger against this atrocious despicable act. I will never forgive the terrorists. Japan will expand further humanitarian support, such as food and medical support, to the region.
[Paul:] Jordan says it's still trying to free a military pilot who was taken hostage by ISIS last year. But it's not clear now whether he is even alive. ISIS released a video that purportedly shows Kenji Goto right before he was killed and then shows his decapitated body. Now, we are not going to show those images. Just this one from that video of Kenji Goto still alive in the captor's hands. But I do want to bring CNN senior media correspondent and "RELIABLE SOURCES" host Brian Stelter also joining us again is CNN military analyst General Mark Hertling. So, I want to ask both of you, should the media stay away from ISIS propaganda images? Brian, to you first.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] For the most part major news outlets like CNN do stay away from the most gruesome images and they are actually pretty hard to find online unless you know what you're looking for. And that's why in some cases, I think, social network and websites like Twitter and Facebook and YouTube have a harder time with this issue than mainstream news outlets like CNN. You know, for us if we decide as we do not to show the images post- execution, well, then that is that. But on Twitter or Facebook, YouTube or sites like it, anyone can post that video, anyone that sympathizes with ISIS can post those images and it's harder to get them taken down and track them.
[Paul:] General Hertling, we know that this propaganda video that they post is their way to try to reel other people into, you know, their life, their cause. Do you think that the U.S. is losing that propaganda war specifically?
[Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling , Cnn Military Analyst:] I do not, Christi, and in fact, when you take a look at the strategic campaign against ISIS, they are what we call in the military seven different lines of effort. Only two of those are really military lines where it's kinetic operations. And one of the lines is information operations to counter this kind of propaganda that you talk about. It's critically important, to go back to your last question, that the media represents this for what it is. The media in a free country helps inform people and part of the countering of propaganda is informing people what a dastardly organization this is, so I think it's appropriate to continue to tell these stories, but in a correct way.
[Paul:] Yeah, Brian, you know, some people say none of the images should be shown of ISIS, and that is just encourages them, possibly inspiring more people to join their cause. What do you say to that?
[Stelter:] I understand it, but I think a version of being blindfolded or wearing ear muffs does little to actually understand the complex world we live in and actually can do damage to the general's point, can do damage because people don't understand the reality of what is going on. Where we deal with and where it gets complex is in this gray area between, for example, if you see comments on Twitter online or elsewhere, sympathizing with ISIS, well, are those should those be banned or should there only be messages that advocate for violence or show graphic images that should be banned? Those are the sorts of tough decisions I think that have to be made, but the idea of ignoring the reality altogether that feels much more risky to me.
[Paul:] Yeah. So, General Hertling, at the end of the day, how cannot just the U.S. now, but, you know, we heard Japan, Jordan, Britain, how can we collectively win the propaganda war? Because we know that that is fueling and bringing more people into ISIS?
[Hertling:] Well, there is that balance Christi. You just brought it up. There will certainly be some recruits that will see these kind of videos as something that belonged to an organization that they might want to join. First of all, you have to prevent that. So we have to counter that piece of it. But the other pieces, there's millions more people now who have seen what has happened to Mr. Goto who are going to say who are going to be better informed about how ugly and horrific this organization is. So it is that balancing act between gaining support for the fight versus what ISIS might gain support for jihadi and then you have to stop that with one of the other lines of effort and that is stopping the recruiting campaign. Yes, I think we can counter that.
[Paul:] OK, good to know. Gentleman, Mark Hertling, we appreciate it, and Brian, real quickly, what do you have coming up on your show today?
[Stelter:] Well, we are talking about this topic and about the language of terror. Some news outlets are choosing not to use the word "terrorist" or the words "extremists". So, we are going to talk about those decisions that are made on "Reliable Sources" there this morning.
[Paul:] All ready, good to know. Brian Stelter and General Mark Hertling, always appreciate it. Thank you.
[Stelter:] Thanks.
[Blackwell:] Authorities in Saudi Arabia have once again postponed the flogging of a blogger. Raif Badawi is being punished for insulting Islam on his website. Now, he was injured after the initial set of lashes and the second set of 50 lashes has been postponed several times. CNN's Fareed Zakaria set down with President Obama during his trip to India, and he asked him why the U.S. is so closely allied with such a regime.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] It is important for us to take into account existing relationships, the existing alignments within a very complicated Middle East, to recognize that we have strategic interests in common with Saudi Arabia, and that even as we work on those common interests, for example, countering terrorist organizations, that we are also encouraging them to move in new directions. Not just for our sake, but, more importantly, for their sake.
[Blackwell:] And to watch the full interview with President Obama, watch Fareed Zakaria, GPS, this morning at 10:00 a.m. Eastern right here on
[Cnn. Paul:] We have gone the latest round of talks between representatives of Ukraine, Russia and rebel envoys have had failed, essentially, yielded no results thus far. The talks were aimed at ending months of deadly violence and fighting. A previous ceasefire agreement negotiated in Minsk last year, crumbled long ago. And in the meantime, there has been heavy fighting between separatist forces and Ukrainian troops near Donetsk. Officials say at least 12 civilians and 15 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed just this weekend.
[Blackwell:] Still ahead, with daughter of singer Whitney Houston in a medically induced coma this morning, we want to talk about her potential state of mind and especially considering the disturbing similarities to her mother's death. We will talk after the break.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln:] Tonight a woman catches her husband cheating with a man. A famous televangelist says, "That is OK." And the Twitter verse thinks otherwise. Plus, masturbation workshop is making the rounds at college campuses across the country. And, this all starts right now.
[Pinsky:] Let us get started with the "Top of the Feed." Women, what would you do if your husband cheated on you with a man? That question was asked to Preacher Pat Robertson on "The 700 Club." Take a look at this.
[Carol:] My husband and I are Christians and have been together for 11 years. Recently, I found out he cheated on me with a male Christian friend in our church. He says it was a mistake that it just happened while they were drunk, and he wants me to forgive him. I do not know if I can. What should I do?
[Preacher Pat Robertson, "the 700 Club":] You have been married for 11 years, this guy got drunk
[Carol:] But with a male friend from church, that is kind of strange.
[Robertson:] Well, he did not know what he is dealing with. She says, should I forgive? Of course you should. If he were this way all the time, if he is a habitual drunk, if he is a habitual homosexual or all the rest of it then by all means, take a hike. But one time, 11 years, do not throw all that away.
[Pinsky:] Joining us Spirit, psychotherapist, Mike Catherwood, my co- host on "Love Line," and Vanessa Barnett from Hiphollywood.com. Mike, I am all for preserving marriage, and the sanctity of marriage, but what do you think of Pat Robertson`s advice?
[Mike Catherwood, Co-host Of "love Line":] Well, Drew, we know, some people are not habitual homosexuals, you know.
[Pinsky:] Part time?
[Catherwood:] Yes. Well, listen
[Pinsky:] It is what Adam Corolla call, half-mo.
[Catherwood:] Half-mo, yes. Pat Robertson is a dangerous guy. I cannot believe he is still a alive. And, I cannot believe "The 700 Club" is still a thing. And, I am being serious. If you are into organized religion, that is your thing. And, if it makes your live better, that is awesome. But, for him he is constantly giving out dangerous advice. He has no idea what he is talking about. There are videos of him telling women that they should not listen to their doctors because God will save them. Who knows what happened to them? And, this is another example of where he is totally out of touch. Who cares of who he cheated with? The fact is that he got drunk and he cheated. How many guys have gone home to their wives and they are like, "Honey, I made a mistake. I cheated on you, but I was so drunk." It is not an excuse.
[Pinsky:] It is not an excuse.
[Spirit Clanton, Psychotherapist:] This takes situation in totally different level, Dr. Drew, that it is a man.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Clanton:] This is not, "Oh, I went out and I had an affair with, you know, the bible study lady at the church. This is a totally different issue."
[Pinsky:] Well, it means that he got some issues with his sexual orientation in addition.
[Clanton:] That is another issue. It could just mean that he has not told her about the issue.
[Pinsky:] Right. And, so, him to say, "Hey, listen. Eleven years of marriage, just stick it out. It just happened once. Keep moving." No, we got some Houston. We have a problem. What does this mean for us? What does this mean for you? And then let me decide if I want to go forward and continue to be married.
[Catherwood:] It speaks to a bigger problem. I am sorry to interrupt. But, I will say that it is guys like Pat Robertson and, you know, you notice that the young lady she led off her e-mail
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Catherwood:] with, Pat, we are Christians, OK?
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Catherwood:] So, and he met this young man in a church.
[Clanton:] Was he Christian when he was drinking?
[Catherwood:] Was he Christian when
[Pinsky:] Right. That is right.
[Vanessa Barnett, Social Commentator:] But, I am not shocked that he said
[Pinsky:] Vanessa. Vanessa. Vanessa is bursting out of her leather warm leatherette.
[Barnett:] Because it is not shocking. Look, if you are a Christian, as I am, forgiveness is what we preach. And, so, God can forgive our sins. Of course, he is going to say forgive him. Now, you may not want to stay with the man who is obviously gay, but I have known women who stay with men for far worse things.
[Clanton:] I am not saying do not forgive him. I am not even saying break up. That is not what I am saying.
[Pinsky:] We would agree with you, Vanessa. I think Spirit and I, trying to salvage a marriage is important.
[Clanton:] That is right.
[Pinsky:] You make a vow, till death do you part.
[Barnett:] Right.
[Pinsky:] You commit to this thing. People Marriage is way too disposable these days.
[Clanton:] Just thrown away. BARNETT I get the message.
[Pinsky:] But, this is something much different.
[Clanton:] That is right. That is right.
[Pinsky:] This is about whether the man should be in a marriage.
[Ba Rnett:] I am not staying with a gay man. Let us just make that argument. I am not staying with a gay man, right? That is not an option for me and should not be for most women. I think that is a big issue.
[Pinsky:] I think that is Spirit`s point.
[Clanton:] That is the question. That is the question.
[Pinsky:] Is he gay or not?
[Catherwood:] It is not fair to him nor is it fair to her. Clearly, with someone who probably biologically does not want to be with you.
[Pinsky:] And, the drinking, I tell you, the drinking has nothing to do with it
[Clanton:] Right. Great excuse. [21:00:01]
[Pinsky:] Except it is an excuse and, by the way, if anyone is worried about cheating, drinking really increases the probability
[Clanton:] Exactly.
[Pinsky:] that cheating sessions going to occur.
[Clanton:] Lower those inhibitions.
[Pinsky:] Now, you guys, I get your point
[Catherwood:] Drinking does not make you gay?
[Pinsky:] No.
[Catherwood:] OK.
[Pinsky:] It does not do that. But, joining us via Skype, I have Josh Weed. He is gay. He is also married to a woman. So, Josh, explain you have heard this conversation we have been having with this panel. Explain to me how this works for you.
[Josh Weed, Gay Married To Woman:] Well, it works well. Part of the reason it works for me, though, my wife and I We have been married for almost 13 years, but she knew I was gay for years before we got married. So, the situation you are talking about I think is very different than our marriage.
[Pinsky:] We agree with you.
[Catherwood:] Yes, totally.
[Pinsky:] That she That is what Spirit said. She has to under The wife has to have first of all, the guy has to know what and who he is.
[Clanton:] Right.
[Catherwood:] Right.
[Pinsky:] And the woman has to know what she is entering into. How does this work for you, though, Josh? Are you sexually attracted to your wife? Do you have sex with your wife? How does that work?
[Weed:] Yes. We have a good sex life.
[Pinsky:] Hold on, stop. How could that be?
[Barnett:] Come on!
[Clanton:] He is bisexual.
[Pisky:] Are you bisexual? That is a good question, Spirit.
[Weed:] No. I am not bisexual. I am gay, 100 percent gay, but we do - you can choose with whom you have sex.
[Clanton:] OK.
[Weed:] So, I am not actually physically attracted to my wife.
[Clanton:] Wait. Drew is confused. Wait. Stop.
[Barnett:] I am confused.
[Clanton:] No. This is it. This is it. This means remember, we talked about sexual orientation is different. So, what he is sexually attracted to is men, but he is engaging in heterosexual sex. It does not mean that, that is the attraction.
[Pinsky:] This is another layer of this
[Clanton:] This sexual fluidity thing.
[Pinsky:] This is another layer of this that I get my head around.
[Clanton:] Yes.
[Barnett:] This spitting on the sanctity of marriage. I am confused.
[Clanton:] Oh, please. People get married for all different reasons. Sometimes, they get married for business reasons, for health reasons.
[Barnett:] And, that is not why it should be done.
[Clanton:] I would agree. I would agree.
[Pinsky:] Vanessa, you have a question. She seemed very spun by this?
[Barnett:] Why get married? Why cannot she just be your friend and why do not you go and date the men that you are so obviously attracted to?
[Clanton:] Great question?
[Pinsky:] Go ahead, Josh.
[Weed:] OK. It is a valid question, but I love her. She is the person that I love with all my heart, and so I chose to be with the person that I love and make it work.
[Pinsky:] She entered into this with full, I think, maybe she was in denial or something, Spirit. I do not know. You know, people are you know, the gay man is a better form of the male, Mike.
[Catherwood:] Well, I could do anything to wake up gay.
[Pinsky:] We will get into that and more. We need to take a quick break. Stay right there. We will be right back.

[Becky Anderson, Cnn:] A decade's old struggle, a two-week old war, and neither side seems close to backing down as the threat of a ground battle looms. You're not denying it [inaudilbe]?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes. It is one of the options.
[Anderson:] Desperation on the ground as Yemenis struggle for survival. and aid agencies face their own fight to reach those in need. Plus, from the Saudi leadership and its international allies, tenacity.
[Unidentified Male:] Saudi Arabia is sending a strong message to the Houthis and their allies that they cannot overrun Yemen by force.
[Anderson:] This hour, I'll challenge the deputy U.S. Secretrary of State on his country's role in the escalating crisis.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn International Correpsondent:] Well, Becky, the army that we see here are aligned along the border in a defensive posture, however that's the army we're able to see. There are places that we can't go to along the border, so we don't know what the army has deployed there. We do know taht the army has moved significant reinforcements up to the border. They have at their disposal hundreds of top class M1A2 Abrahms tanks if they choose to use them. They have a significant military force with high tech weapons should they choose to go across the border. Where we are, the mountains where we're standing here across those mountains is really the stronghold where the Houthis are. Their sort of base, if you will, it's where they have the most support. It would be unlikely to see the Saudi forces put ground troops in from here potentially along the coast. That would be trecherous and incredibly unlikely. Potentially way further to the east where they might be in Yemen able to count on the support of tribes there, or potentially if they can gain control of Aden and Aden today saw fierce fighting, Aden would be a place to put ashore a force, get politicians from the former government or the current internationally recognized government, get them back inside Yemen and then try to build from there to take more territory. But, what we see at the border here there is a buildup of the army. Are they leaning forward, or are they in a defensive posture? What we're able to see, Becky, is a defensive posture.
[Anderson:] Nic, clearly it's innocent Yemenis who are suffering the fallout of this conflict. And with aid agencies struggling ot get in and evacuaees, quite frankly, struggling to get out. The very desperate have been making what is a very long and dangerous journey, I kno,w to the border area where you are to try and escape. What have people been telling you?
[Robertson:] Well, what the Saudi border officials are doing is anyone that arrives at the border who is fleeing under extreme circumstances, who doesn't have a Saudi visa to come into the country, they are opening the doors and letting them in Any that need medical treatment, they're getting medical treatment. Those that are allowed in who don't have, you know, a proper visa, are being taken tothe airport and given flights to get them where they need to be closer, back to their families, their countries of origin. What they are telling us is a desperate and frightening, long road journey. We've heard of we talk to people who across the sea and fled across the sea, too afraid to make the drives; others who have made the drive and they're coming you know, they're coming with children, they're coming with family possessions. So it's a huge challenge and a huge concern. But the Saudis are making them welcome and are assisting them and traveling on, Becky.
[Anderson:] Nic Robertson is there close to the border, as we've been discussing. Questions remain about the likelihood and the timing of a Saudi-led ground campaign in Yemen. Late last night, I spoke to Brigadier General Ahmed bin Hassan Asiri, who is the military spokesman for the coalition. Here is his take on that possibility. In Afghanistan and in Iraq, it was clear that airstrikes along were not suficient, that ground troops were and are needed. Will ground troops be needed in Yemen?
[Brig.gen. Ahmed Asiri, Saudi Defense Spokesman:] We have criteria for each phase. And we have objectives to achieve. Once we achieve the air campaign objectives and we reach the phase of the ground offensive, or ground operation, we will let you know.
[Anderson:] You're not denying that it could or would happen.
[Asiri:] Yes, it is one of the options. But how would we conduct, when will it be conducted, I think it is obvious that we cannot declare it.
[Anderson:] Why have there been holdups in the delivery of aid to Yemen?
[Asiri:] Now actually we are in the peak of our air campaign. And it's one of our objectives using this campaign is to relieve the population from suffering.
[Anderson:] So you don't accept the criticism from aid agencies that the Saudi-led coalition has got in the way?
[Asiri:] We don't have any case that the delay was having from the coalition.
[Anderson:] There is much discussion about the influence of Iran in Yemen. The Saudi ambassador to Washington recently said that he believes there are assets from the elite military force there. Are there?
[Asiri:] We are not talking about speculation here, we are talking about evident. Militias had Scud, fighter jets, artillery. Recently, they conduct a very big exercise on our borders in the presence of consultant Iranian consultant and Hezbollah instructors. This is why those coalition those countries joined the coalition, because they understand where are the dangers. We in Saudi Arabia, we accept to have a neighborhood in every country, I mean, with a strong army. But we cannot accept that militias have Scuds, fighter jet. The Iranian declared one day that now we have a border with Saudi Arabia. One day they declared that we have fourth Arabic capital under our control. What evidence more than we're asking to have?
[Anderson:] Well, stay with us this hour as we bring you more on the crisis in Yemen. In a few minutes, I'm going to get your my interview with the deputy U.S. Secretary of State Tony Blinken. He was here yesterday. He's in the Gulf, in the Emirates today, in which I press him on the extent of U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led coalition. Well move you on away from here for a moment and to Afghanistan now where a U.S. soldier has been shot and killed by a member of the Afghan national army. Now this happened earlier today in Jalalabad. Senior interntional corresponent Nick Paton Walsh has been following this story for us form Beirut, recently back from Afghanistan himself. He joins us now. Just two weeks ago, Nick, the U.S. announced it was slowing down the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. What are the details on this latest incident and loss of life?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] What this kind of attack affects, exactly the presence that the U.S. is thinking about prolonging, and that's their trainers to the east, certainly here. Now this was a meeting of both diplomat and U.S. military personnel occurring at the governor's compound in Jalalabad. We were around that area ourselves just over a week ago now. And apparently this meeting ended. Now U.S. personnel fly around that area mostly in helicopters. Now it ended and they emerged from the governor's compound. Of Course, because of the prevelant nature of these insider attacks there are a lot of U.S. security involved. In fact a group called Guardian Angels that specifically are there to protect U.S. personnel from any Afghan security forces who might go rogue in incidents like this. Now in this instance, the meeting ended. The U.S. diplomats and soldiers emerged from the compound. An Afghan soldier used a heavy machine gun on top of an Afghan military truck, local police tell us, to open fire upon the U.S. personnel, one killed, some injured, not clear their nationality, there's U.S. and Polish specifically in that particular area right now. And then the assailant killed presumably by return of fire from the U.S. there to other Afghans wounded, not clear if they were involved in the attack or caught in the crossfire. But this just scores the dangers now most prevalant against a very limited U.S. mission and presence still in the east of the country, which we saw ourselves in that very area of Jalalabad just over a week ago.
[Walsh:] This is how it ends here. No helicopter evacuation from an embassy roof. Instead, Blackhawks bouncing officers around a handful of multiple [inaudible] from the front lines. And a race to ready the Afghans to go it alone before the U.S. leaves late next year. This supply center for police is meant to supply uniforms and even ammunition to the whole east, but it's far from main roads with bad cell phone coverage. Doors don't have handles. Afghans here tell us the water and electricity have problems, ask who will maintain it? Finished four months ago, it so far hasn't supplied anyone. The cost: $21 million. About Afghans living here now, so about 400,000 U.S. dollars, taxpayer money, per Afghan at the moment. It's going to be difficult, isn't it, to get this done under the clock you're working under.
[Colonel J.b. Vowell, U.s. Army:] It's a challenge, make no doubt. It is going to be a challenge to get all those hubs and spokes and logistics and sustainment to maintenance, supplies, resupply, requisition. I'm optimistic, though. Much of this didn't even exist in November.
[Walsh:] America's longest war is ending, and it has left Afghanistan indelibly changed. Some of their police now die in old Humvees. It is rare now for Americans to drive around here, flying over valleys where they once faced the Taliban who are now vying with ISIS for young, angry recruits. This war is barely recognizable. The main threat here now rogue Afghans opening fire on foreigners. We were surrounded at all times by a security detail. Well, this is about as close to front line as these American troops will get here in Afghanistan, and they are on guard against insider attacks here in an Afghan police base. Their job now, to train. Combat over. The Afghan military is marching to stand still. Recent figures suggest one in 10 of these new graduates will desert in the coming year. Barack Obama has slowed America's departure, but only a fraction. Drones and special forces will fight on unseen, but to the levers of power in what was once called the graveyard of empires: America will let go. Now so limited is that U.S. president, it's actually remarkable to note how they hop between secure locations. The threat reduced on the outside from the insurgency, but that is why these insider attacks are so key, it seems. The insurgent's strategy, it makes it very hard for that interaction the Americans need with the Afghans they're training, handing security over to, because as you saw there they have to secure themselves, have a security details with them. In fact, those men standing often between, their weapons drawn us and the American officials and the Afghans there, too. So, a very complex situation. The threat is increasing. The Taliban resurgent. ISIS getting a foothold. The Afghan military having a real dessertion problem, too. That U.S. timetable for a wthdrawal slightly slowed, but it doesn't change the broader picture. They're all in the embassy by the end of next year, Becky.
[Anderson:] Yeah, Nick Paton Walsh reporting. Thank you, Nic. Still to come tonight, suspects in what was the deadly attack at a Kenyan university appeared in court. We'll have the very latest from Nairobi for you. And just ahead after this short break, my interview with deputy U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken. You'll get the back story on U.S. involvement in this conflict in Yemen. I'm Becky Anderson, this is Connect the World live from Riyadh in Saudi Arabia this evening. Do stay with us.

[Pereira:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. More trouble for the Secret Service as details emerge about a 2011 shooting at the White House. "The Washington Post" reports that it took Secret Service four days to realize that seven bullets had hit the upstairs residence of the White House while the president's daughter, Sasha, and his mother-in-law were inside. These revelations, of course, come on the heels of several security incidents at the White House, including one where an intruder raced inside bearing a knife. We want to bring in Ronald Kessler. He is an investigative reporter and author of "The First Family Detail" where he actually published some of the very details of this incident before "The Washington Post." Mr. Kessler, thanks so much for joining us this morning.
[Ronald Kessler, Investigative Reporter, Author, "the First Family Detail":] Hey, my pleasure.
[Pereira:] So, in your book you detail so many of the events of this 2011 incident. I think many of us are wondering how on earth it could have taken the Secret Service four days to realize that seven shots hit, some of them even entered, the White House.
[Kessler:] And "The Washington Post" claims it has a scoop, but as you say it was in my book and it goes back to a really rotten management culture that is based on arrogance. That is what connects all of these scandals. The management promotes agents who don't point out deficiencies, and so the way to get ahead is to cover up. It's just safer. And, therefore, the, for example, the uniformed officers who led this [inaudible], into the White House, even though they were not on the guest list, felt it was just safer to let them in as opposed to possibly upsetting the White House. In the case of the gunshots, the uniformed officer who reported the gunshots felt it was safer to not keep insisting that she had heard them, even though a supervisor overruled her. In the case of the White House intrusion recently, it was safer for the uniformed officers to not take out that intruder who was carrying a knife and went into the White House, even though he could have had an explosive or he could have unleashed weapons of mass destruction. And so the agents who perpetuate the myth that the Secret Service is invincible are the ones who get ahead, and that is understood. Those who don't do that, who point out problems are literally punished. And that is goes back to really the safety of the president, who keeps insisting that there is no problem in the Secret Service. Michelle Obama, according to "The Washington Post," was angry at the Secret Service over the fact that they did not detect the gunshots.
[Pereira:] Right, right, right.
[Kessler:] And yet the president does nothing.
[Pereira:] I want to talk to you about that in a second, because we understand the first lady and the president understandably were quite livid about this situation. I want to talk about this. You talk about it being an issue of culture. I want to also understand if this is a question, too, of our men and women in the Secret Service who are charged with protecting the president of the United States and the president's family, are they given enough tools and resources to adequately do their job? For example, in the incident in 2011 and even in this latest incident, one has to wonder if the tools for surveillance were readily available to them.
[Kessler:] Absolutely not. You know, the Secret Service is absolutely crumbling. As part of this culture, they have the attitude we make do with less. They're actually proud of not spending money. In the case of the gunshots, for example, the Secret Service should have devices to detect gunshots. You know, the D.C. police have that but the Secret Service doesn't. On and on they cut corners, they're not keeping up to date with the latest surveillance devices, they will let people into events without magnetometer screening or metal detection screening under pressure from White House staffs.
[Pereira:] Are you at all convinced that the president, and the first lady, and his mother-in-law, and their children that they're safe inside the White House?
[Kessler:] They are not safe. Absolutely not. The agents I talked to say it's a miracle that there has not been an assassination so far and, you know, it seems obvious to all of us that the Secret Service needs a major overhaul. What they need is a new director from the outside who is not part of this culture. Somehow, President Obama really recklessly keeps disregarding all the warning signs, keeps defending the Secret Service, and then yesterday you had Tony Blinken, the deputy national security advisor again defending the Secret Service.
[Pereira:] Yes.
[Kessler:] And the result is going to be an assassination. I'm afraid that's the only way we're going to have a change.
[Pereira:] You think that's the only thing that's going to change. Listen, we know that Tony Blinken spoke with CNN yesterday, and he tried to put things in perspective, saying the task that the Secret Service is given is incredible, and the burden that they bear in incredible, and that the director, this newish director, is looking into the incident. But you believe that these changes are not enough, that more fundamental changes need to come?
[Kessler:] Yes, you know, the director always says I'm reviewing this, there are going to be hearings, nothing will happen. That's not the way you change any organization. You change an organization by bringing in a new CEO who's not beholden to the interests, who's not part of the culture, who will shake things up as Bob Mueller did when he became FBI director, made the FBI more prevention [inaudible]. So this is a colossal lack of management, judgment, on the part of President Obama because he is the one who is at risk here. He's the only one who can do anything about it.
[Pereira:] And he is certainly the one that has the ultimate power there to change things there, for his family and, obviously, for the White House and his administration. Ronald Kessler, thank you so much for joining us this morning to give us your perspective.
[Kessler:] Sure.
[Pereira:] You can check out his book, it is called "The First Family Detail." There it is on your screen right now. Certainly following a whole lot of news this morning. Let's get to it.
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[Cuomo:] Good morning, welcome back to NEW DAY. We start with President Obama's new admission about ISIS. The president says intelligence agencies underestimated the extremists, and overestimated Iraq's will and ability to fight them in this candid "60 Minutes" interview he gave yesterday. No one is more surprised to hear this than intelligence officials who disagree. We'll get into it.
[Pereira:] Meanwhile, U.S. led air strikes continue to pound ISIS targets in northern Syria and in Iraq. Air strikes that three out of four Americans support according to a new CNNORC poll. However, the president's approval rating is still low. Michelle Kosinski is live from the White House this morning with all of this, and so much more. Good morning, Michelle..
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi guys, right. So we have air strikes continuing and then we have President Obama going on CBS'"60 Minutes" and openly acknowledging now, that yes, the U.S. absolutely underestimated ISIS in the past, while overestimating the ability and will of the locals to fight it.
[Obama:] They were able reconstitute themselves, and take advantage of that chaos, and attract foreign fighters who believed in their jihadist nonsense and traveled everywhere from Europe, to the United States, to Australia, to other parts of the Muslim world, converging on Syria. So this became ground zero for jihadists around the world.
[Kosinski:] And so the president says the U.S. continues to be the one to lead this effort, because America has the unique capacity to do so. So how do Americans feel like that? Well, this new CNNORC poll just released this morning shows that 73 percent approve of the air strikes. But about that same number also feels that it is likely the U.S. will end up having to send in ground troops and fewer, only 61 percent, feel confident that the U.S. will succeed in its goal of degrading and defeating ISIS.

[Malveaux:] It's a sad story. This is an American teenager on summer vacation, a trip to South America, now missing. And he's been missing for several days. This is August Reiger. He's 18-years-old and he's from Oklahoma. And he just graduated, right, from high school?
[Holmes:] He did, yeah. A real mystery, he was hiking with his folks on a mountain in Ecuador, just literally disappeared. That was on Sunday. Nick Valencia is here. He's been following this bizarre story, joins us now. You talked to the dad. What's the latest?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Oh, he's very concerned, very anxious. He's holding out hope, but this is such a bizarre story. I mean, this was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime, right, in a safe area, Banos, Ecuador, about a hundred miles south of the capital, very tourist-y area, a very safe area not so dangerous. But he went off ahead of his parents. You know, a young teen, 18- years-old, his parents were sort of lagging behind. And they were supposed to meet at the top of the mountain. Once they got there, he wasn't there. It turned to night. He's still not back. That's when his parents starts really started getting worried. Now I asked his father, I said, is there any inclination that you have that perhaps he may have wandered off by himself. He said that's completely out of the question.
[Chris Reiger, August Reiger's Father:] No. I mean, no. I just that would I don't think so at all. I mean, yeah, that just seems like out of the question. The next day we were supposed to leave. We had booked a tour to go into the jungle three nights with a guide. And it was really because of him that we booked that, you know? He is the one who is said he's particularly interested in the indigenous cultures and so forth. And we were supposed to leave on that the next day, and, you know, he was real excited about it. He didn't have anything with him. He didn't have any money. He didn't have phone. He didn't have anything.
[Valencia:] And this leisurely hike turned into a nightmare for the family. The I just got off the phone with the father. He said the search crews, more than 150 volunteers out there. They are combing the mountain again just to make sure, 100 percent sure, that they haven't missed anything, but it's looking very ominous right now, Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] Is there anything possibility of foul play? Do they think he could have been kidnapped or...
[Valencia:] Initially, the father came out. he thought his son could have been kidnapped. But this you know, to put it in perspective for our viewers, this is a safe area. Some of the local firefighters even told the family, we have grown up here the whole time our whole life and never had a kidnapping for ransom case. The family is hoping, though, there's a good optimistic out come.
[Holmes:] And it is a mountain area.
[Valencia:] It is a very mountainous area, and there's chance that he could fall off that steep slope there or side of the mountain. But the family is just they're sticking around there in Ecuador. They're still there and they're holding out hope right now. We hope the best for them.
[Holmes:] Yeah, fingers crossed.
[Malveaux:] Yeah, keep us posted, please.
[Valencia:] We will.
[Malveaux:] Yeah, thank you, Nick.
[Holmes:] Thanks.
[Malveaux:] Appreciate it.
[Holmes:] All right. Coming up here on AROUND THE WORLD...
[Malveaux:] Brazilian police firing tear gas and water cannons as 300,000 people come out to protest in Rio de Janeiro. We're going to take you there live, right after this.

[Paul:] 47 minutes past the hour. Take a look at this map, won't you? These are the states where people, many children, have the measles right now. Total of 68 people, about 30 of them are kids, nearly all of those who are sick visited Disneyland in southern California. 48 linked to the theme park. But that leaves 20 who are not. The 68 confirmed cases we have here. So let's bring in Dr. Isaac Thomsen. He's a pediatrician at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine joining us from Nashville. Doctor, thank you for being here what do you attribute this outbreak to? Why is it making a comeback?
[Dr. Isaac Thomsen, Pediatrician:] You know, what we know about measles is it's a vaccine preventable illness so we've been giving the measles vaccine in this country for almost 50 years and because of that measles has become extremely rare. What we know about the vaccines is that it's extremely safe, so millions upon millions have received this vaccine over decades. And it's incredibly effective; it's at least 99 percent effective in preventing measles. What we also know about the vaccine is that it requires people to take it. Measles is an extremely contagious virus, one of the most contagious viruses that we know of. And because it's so contagious it requires about 90 to 95 percent coverage of the vaccine in a community or in a population. If the percentage of people that are vaccinated drops below that 90 to 95 percent window that becomes a vulnerable population to infection and you can get outbreaks exactly like we're seeing here.
[Paul:] Yes. And we were talking about being part of the park. But now with 20 of these 68 not affiliated with the park, I'm wondering what do you suggest we do to try to contain it?
[Thomsen:] You know, the most important thing is any one that has not been vaccinated it's time to become vaccinated. Unfortunately sometimes what it takes, many generations now have not seen these illnesses and they don't have an appreciation and understanding, even a fear of these serious infections and many think that it's more a theoretical thing. And outbreaks like this drive home that this is a very real threat to our society. You know, I think it's especially important to remember that there are some who can't receive the vaccine. There are children and adults who have issues with their immune system, serious illnesses, they can't receive the vaccine and they rely on us in society to do our part to protect them by a concept that's called herd protection, where if enough of the rest of the population becomes vaccinated these outbreaks will stop. You know we need 90 to 95 percent vaccination and we can halt outbreaks like this.
[Paul:] Dr. Isaac Thomson, great point you make about the fact that if we haven't experienced it we forget how dangerous it is. Thank you so much. We appreciate your insight here Victor.
[Thomsen:] Thank you.
[Blackwell:] Former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is set to stand trial for murder. Up next, the road blocks the prosecution is running into and why Hernandez's fiancee could be the star witness.

[Pamela Brown, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone. Thanks so much for letting us into your living room on this Saturday. I'm Pamela Brown in for Fredricka Whitfield. And here are the top stories we're following in the CNN NEWSROOM. A bride is missing after what was supposed to be a fun night of boating ended violently in New York. Her wedding is just two weeks away and her family, as you can imagine, is devastated. We are live from the scene up next. And in Russia Edward Snowden sits and waits, still stuck inside an airport terminal. But outside the politics heat up as the country considers his asylum request. So what could this mean for the U.S. and Russia? And a mayor accused of sexual harassment, a mayoral hopeful admits to sexting. We ask a sex therapist what's really going on here and do these guys think they can get away with it. A pre-wedding joyride on a boat ends in a horrifying accident in New York. Two people including the bride-to-be are missing. Four others are injured. And as you can just imagine, the bride's mother is devastated by this news. Take a listen to what she has to say.
[Carol Stewart, Lindsay Stewart's Mother:] What we understand from her fiance, they hit something. He called 911. He was unconscious, reached for his phone when he came to. There were three people in the boat with him out cold. And Lindsay and Mark Lennon, who is their best man, are missing. She's supposed to be married two weeks from today, yes. It just can't end like this.
[Brown:] You just cannot even imagine what that mother is feeling. It's just agonizing to hear her. Alina Cho on the phone with us now. You've been covering this story, Alina. Tell us about the missing. We know the bride-to-be and the best man were supposed to be in the wedding in two weeks. What more can you tell us?
[Alina Cho, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, Pamela, as you look out on to the water you actually can see the search boats right now. The search is well under way, the two people who are missing. Among them, as you mentioned, this 30-year-old woman named Lindsay Stewart, a bride-to-be, due to be married exactly two weeks from today. The other missing person is said to be the best man in the wedding. Four people were injured in this boating accident but thankfully survived. Here's what we know about what happened. Apparently this boat left the marina near where we are right now at about 10:00 last night. It was a 21-foot stingray, a small speed boat with six people on board. Not long after they left the marina, the boat apparently hit a barge near the Tappan Zee Bridge. If you know the area, this is about 25 miles north of New York City. The groom was on the boat. Among the survivors. When the accident was when it happened, he was knocked unconscious. When he woke up, he called 911.
[Brown:] And
[Robert Vancura, Undersheriff Of Rockland County Sheriff's Office:] There were four people remaining on the boat when the boat was located just south of the Tappan Zee Bridge. They had various head injuries and one party was unconscious.
[William Barbera, Chief Of Patrol, Rockland County Sheriff's Office:] We still have two people missing. We are beginning our search this morning to go back out and try to attempt to locate the two missing individuals.
[Cho:] As I mentioned, the search is under way for these two missing people. Within the past hour or so, we did see the parents of Lindsay Stewart, this bride-to-be, of course. They are hoping for a miracle. The mother tells me that they were not wearing lifejackets which is not good news. And as the search continues and the hours pass, Pamela, of course, they become less and less hopeful that these two people will be found alive Pamela.
[Brown:] You mentioned you spoke to the mother of the bride-to-be. Any more reaction from family of the missing?
[Cho:] Yes. We learned a little bit, I mean, obviously these two parents were incredibly distraught. They are awaiting for any sort of news. Obviously hoping for the best possible news. But they did tell me a bit about Lindsay and her wedding plans. She said that they were due to be married nearby in two weeks, that she had planned the wedding herself, that she and the groom had actually known each other since they were 10 years old. They went to church together and started dating about three years ago. Both were said to be workaholics. They live not far from where we are. But clearly this was a couple that had their entire lives ahead of them, and right now the groom is in the hospital suffering from massive head injuries. Apparently unable to speak and headed into surgery Pamela.
[Brown:] And you just have to think, you know, this is supposed to be the most exciting part of this woman's life and just your heart goes out to her parents right now. We just hope that there will be a positive resolution. Alina Cho, keep us posted. Moving to San Diego now. Scandal-ridden mayor is trying to save his career and his reputation by going to therapy. Mayor Bob Filner announced yesterday he's entering a behavior clinic for two weeks of intensive therapy to start addressing what he calls inappropriate behavior. Seven women are accusing Mayor Bob Filner of unwanted groping, kissing, or other harassment. And one of his accusers told CNN's Poppy Harlow about one alleged incident that happened back in 2009 when Filner was a congressman.
[Morgan Rose, Accused Mayor Filner Of Sexual Harassment:] He got up. He came over, he sat next to me in the booth, pinning me in, and I don't remember because it was such a suspension of time and space in my life, this was so unexpected. That I don't remember if he directly asked for a kiss or tried to kiss me. But it became it was very uncomfortable.
[Brown:] And just ahead, I will talk with a sex psychologist about Filner's behavior and what kind of help he'll receive over two weeks' time and if that's enough. That's going to be coming up. And in the meantime, today marks 60 years since the signing of the agreement that ended the Korean War and commemorating the truce in honoring the thousands killed in the war. President Obama told the crowd at the Korean War Veterans Memorial the country has learned many lessons from 60 years ago.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Korea taught us the perils when we fail to prepare. After the Second World War, a rapid drawdown left our troops underequipped, so in the early days of Korea, their rockets literally bounced off enemy tanks. Today, as we end a decade of war and reorient our forces for the future, as we make hard choices at home, our allies and adversaries must know the United States of America will maintain the strongest military the world has ever known bar none always. That is what we do.
[Brown:] More than 35,000 Americans died in the Korean War. And meanwhile in the reclusive North Korea, the country celebrated the agreement which it calls a North victory with a huge military parade as we see. Two hours of tanks, bands and goose-stepping under a blazing sun in Pyongyang there in North Korea. And here's a look at what's trending at this hour. The sister of the man who Jodi Arias admits to killing plans to throw a day of celebration party for his birthday tomorrow. Travis Alexander would have been 36 years old. His sister also has invited some of the jurors who found Jodi Arias guilty of murder to the private party. Police say a sex offender who was released from a Vermont jail is now headed to California. Timothy Zag made national headlines when the state of Vermont put out a warning to possible neighbors detailing what type of child he could strike again. He was sent to prison in 2001 for attacking a kid he saw playing in the woods. And the parents of actress Amanda Bynes have requested conservatorship over her but a judge reportedly needs more time to decide. Bynes, a former Nickelodeon star, is sitting in a psychiatric hospital right now. She was detained after she was accused of lighting a gas can on fire in someone's driveway. And a horrific night in one south Florida community. A standoff leaves six people dead and lots of questions to be answered. We'll have the latest on what happened there in south Florida up next, right after this break. We'll be right back.

[Richard Quest:] No trading in New York or in the United States, it's the Memorial Day holiday weekend, and it's still Monday, it's the 25th of May. Tonight, Greece's finance minister tells me, we can pay the IMF, but only if there is a deal. Nigeria's outgoing finance minister will give her view on the country's fuel crisis. And Varoufakis and a college from Princeton pay tribute to the game theorist John Nash, who died over the weekend. I'm Richard Quest, tonight, live from Los Angeles, where I mean business. Good evening from Los Angeles. Tonight we hear from the Greek finance minister, who says that Greece can pay the IMF only if there is a deal. Greece owes the International Monetary Fund more than $1.7 billion in loan repayments over the month of June. And the country's interior minister warned that Greece wouldn't have the money and, as had been said before, would prioritize paying civil servants and pensioners instead. In the quote of the minister, "This money will not be given, it is not there to be given," said the interior minister. A short while ago, I spoke to Yanis Varoufakis, who joined me from Athens, and I put that quote fairly and squarely to the minister and asked him if he agrees.
[Yanis Varoufakis, Greek Finance Minister:] I'm chronically optimistic, so my answer to the question will be colored by the optimism, and I shall say that we will make the payment, because I have no doubt that we will have an agreement by then with the institutions, our partners in Europe, the IMF, and so on and so forth.
[Quest:] But the payment of this money to the IMF in June is dependent, if I understand you correctly, on an agreement being reached.
[Varoufakis:] An agreement has to be reached. This state cannot continue to make repayments to creditors as part of a loan agreement which was meant to be based on both our making the payments and them making the disbursements.
[Quest:] Is it fair to say that Greece is just about out of money?
[Varoufakis:] No, it isn't. Our state our state, out of huge sacrifices by the Greek people, has managed to live within its means.
[Quest:] I suppose I am inviting you to comment on one of your cabinet colleagues, but is it helpful when the interior minister does make those sort of comments, basically saying to the rest of the world, do a deal or there's no repayment. It's ratcheting up the pressure.
[Varoufakis:] Not in the slightest. As I said, it is common knowledge. Everybody knows amongst our partners and friends and the institutions that the Greek state cannot carry on making large payments to he IMF without an agreement. Mr. Voutsis, my colleague from the cabinet, the interior minister, simply repeated something I've said on a number of occasions, and what I've said is just common sense. We have for four months been meeting our obligations to our creditors by extracting the last ounce of liquidity from our battered economy's fiber. We can't carry on doing this forever, and our creditors know that. So, it's about time they come to the table and meet us, not half the way, but one quarter of the way. We've already met them three quarters of the way. It's about time the institutions, in particular the IMF, get their act together and come to an agreement with us.
[Quest:] Let's talk about that meeting on the way. I read a recent article that you've just written, and I hesitate to use the words "red lines," because it seems these days everybody has red lines all over the place. But in this particular case, it would appear your red, red line, if you like, is the pensions question. And if you cannot if it becomes a choice or your dragooned into cutting pensions, you won't do it. Is that the sticking point, pensions?
[Varoufakis:] It is a sticking point, it's not the sticking point. The sticking point is, as I said in an article that I wrote only this morning, which you may be referring to, the sticking point is austerity. Greece has had the greatest dose of austerity of any economy after the second World War. We are the champions of fiscal consolidation and austerity, and the result is a collapsed economy. We can't have more of that, Richard. We need growth now.
[Quest:] The reality is, sir, the reality is you are now at a position where it appears the eurogroup are determined to stare you down, and you are in a position which is very difficult. And it's and having covered this from the beginning, I can't see how you get out of it without more pain.
[Varoufakis:] Well, this country has experienced a great deal of pain, and if it is simply a matter of investing into a little bit more pain in order to get the gain, I will be happy to do it. The difference of opinion, it's not with my eurozone member state colleagues, it's primarily with one or two of the institutions, actually one. The point I want to make, Richard, and I think every well-meaning member of our audience would agree, is whatever extra pain there is should be an investment into a turnaround.
[Quest:] You have opened a hornet's nest, minister, with your revelation that you record, your words, your interventions so that you can better recount them to your prime minister. Can you accept that others who will have attended those meetings will find that improper?
[Varoufakis:] I don't think they do find it improper. There's nothing improper about one minister recording his own speeches so as to be able to recount them. I haven't recorded anybody else's speeches, only mine. And what I think this revelation has probably done is firstly to throw light on the rather improper way that that the international press has been reporting that eurogroup meeting. And secondly, to reveal the fact that we don't have minutes. We should have minutes, shouldn't we, Richard?
[Quest:] Right.
[Varoufakis:] Transparency should be part of any democratic process.
[Quest:] In your article that you referred to earlier, you said that the motivation of those is in question and is best left to future historians. Do you believe there are people, institutions that want Greece out of the eurozone? Because I question my fundamental question is, what are you suggesting is their motivation?
[Varoufakis:] Well, actually, what I was referring to was the lack of transparency in various fora, like, for instance, the eurogroup. And also the motivation of those who leaked lies and innuendoes, and of the international press of renowned news media that reported upon them as if they were facts. So, this is the motivation that I was referring to, and I think that - I know that from having watched your program on a number of occasions over many years, that you would also be worried about this kind of mass reproduction of lies and innuendoes, wouldn't you?
[Quest:] Right, but well, but do you well, we try to avoid lies and those sort of things on the program, as perhaps you might expect. But do you believe there are people who wish either Greece or will or wish Greece out?
[Varoufakis:] Maybe. I have no way of knowing. What I do know is that it is in the interest of no one if Greece is forced out of the eurozone. It is in the interest of no one in Europe, indeed, it is exactly the opposite true, that it is in the interest of the average European that this Greek crisis ends. And the only way it can end is with Greek growth and development so that Greece can repay its debts and Europe can show that it can deal with a crisis in a rational manner and not in a disciplinarian fashion that applies a kind of Biblical economics that really doesn't work.
[Quest:] That's the Greek finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, talking to me earlier. And you can hear more of Mr. Varoufakis later in the program as he gives his thoughts and remembers the life of John Nash, an economist who had a great influence on Mr. Varoufakis, and of course who was the founder, if you like, the creator of the so-called Game Theory. You'll hear his views on that later in tonight's program. The stock markets were closed in the UK and Germany, as indeed they have been in the United States. And those markets that were opened were down for very heavy losses in Greece and Spain. The Athens general was down more than 3 percent for obvious reasons following the interior minister's comments that the government won't make debt payments. The IBEX fell two and a third percent, and that was all about local election upsets with the anti-austerity parties. It's a spillover, if you like, from the Greek issues. The voters are punishing the governing party for the spending cuts. Staying with matters in Europe, the British prime minister, David Cameron, has begun his effort, in his words, to negotiate what he's calling a better deal for Britain within the European Union. Mr. Cameron is meeting the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, at Cameron's weekend home at Chequers. Our senior international correspondent, Nima Elbagir, is in London. Now, they will be doing an extremely good job, Nima, of papering over differences, certainly bearing in mind Cameron never wanted Juncker in the job. But the fact is, he everyone accepts Cameron has a mandate, and now the EU has to negotiate.
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Absolutely. You can't accuse David Cameron of being lacking in ambition. To start his proposed charm offensive towards EU reform, towards what the UK is calling EU reform, I should say, with Jean-Claude Juncker, it's pretty bold. But taking him down the Chequers, to that grand estate, it's a good start. Downing Street are saying they're not getting into any specifics in this working dinner, but they will be setting the scene. They're outlining what it is Britain wants from the European Union. And what they want goes to the heart of the founding tenant of the European Union, which is freedom of movement. They want to control the movement of EU migrants into the UK, and they also want to be allowed to set limits on when EU migrants can claim benefits. These this is not something that's particularly popular with the leaders in Europe, as you know. Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, has said that this is an unacceptable picking apart of that central tenant, but she is next on that charm offensive list. Well, no, sorry, Hollande is next, and then from there, he's hopping over to Berlin to see if he can try and change her mind.
[Quest:] And of course, it is ultimately in Berlin that an agreement will have to be reached. Nima, thank you very much. We'll be watching that. And that's a story that's going to be with us for some months, if not years, to come. A crippling fuel shortage in Africa's largest economy is now nearing its end. Nigeria's finance minister has accused the fuel companies of holding the country hostage. You're going to hear from her and how she helped end the crisis. It's QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Good evening to you.

[Feyerick:] ISIS terrorists have beheaded a third man, a British aid worker, releasing yet another propaganda video to horrify the world. David Haines was captured in Syria in 2013. A masked terrorist threatens him at the end of the video showing the execution of American journalist Steven Sotloff. Atika Shubert has more on who Haines was and the family he leaves behind.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] David Haines was a father and a husband. But he was also a hostage of ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Captured in March 2013, working at a Syrian refugee camp for French aid group, ACTED. Haines had more than a decade of experience doing aid work, providing logistics to Handicap International and working as an unarmed peacekeeper with nonviolence peace force. He grew up in Scotland, proudly wearing a kilt for his wedding. His family has declined to comment, but their plight is clear online. His teenage daughter from his first marriage makes it clear online how much she misses her father by answering just three questions. What's missing in your life that would make you very happy? My dad being at home, she answers. As his family waited, David Haines had become a pawn in the game of hostages now played by ISIS. Atika Shubert, CNN, London.
[Feyerick:] David Haines, helping those most in need. Well, British Prime Minister David Cameron now vowing to confront ISIS. This comes just days after it was a little bit unclear as to whether the United Kingdom would join America's plan to strike the terrorists in Syria. Cameron taking a much stronger stance when he spoke earlier today.
[Cameron:] Today, the whole country will want to express its deep sympathy for David Haines' family. They have endured the last 18 months of David's captivity with extraordinary courage, and now David has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable by an organization which is the embodiment of evil. We will hunt down those responsible and bring them to justice no matter how long it takes. David Haines was an aid worker. He went into harm's way not to harm people, but to help his fellow human beings in the hour of their direst need from the Balkans to the Middle East. His family spoke of the joy he felt when he learned he got his job in Syria. His selflessness, his decency, his burning desire to help others has today cost him life. But the whole country like his grieving family can be incredibly proud of what he did and what he stood for in the humanitarian mission. David Haines was a British hero. The fact that an aid worker was taken, held, and brutally murdered at the hands of ISIL sums up what this organization stands for. They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people, Muslims, Christians, minorities, across Iraq and Syria. They boast of their brutality. They claim to do this in the name of Islam. That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace. They are not Muslims. They are monsters. They make no secret of their desire to do as much harm, not just in the Middle East, but to any countries or peoples who seek to stand in their way or dare to stand for values that they disagree with. It was an ISIL fanatic who gunned down four people in a museum in Brussels. So let me be clear, the British people need to know that this is a fanatical organization called ISIL, that has not only murdered a British hostage, they have planned and continued to plan attacks across Europe and in our country. We are a peaceful people. We do not seek out confrontation. But we need to understand, we cannot ignore this threat to our security and that of our allies. There is no option of keeping our heads down that would make us safe. The problem would merely get worse as it has done over recent months, not just for us, but for Europe and for the world. We cannot just walk on by if we are to keep this country safe. We have to confront this menace. Step by step, we must drive back, dismantle and ultimately destroy ISIL and what it stands for. We will do so in a calm, deliberate way, but with an iron determination. We will not do so on our own but by working closely with our allies, not just the United States and in Europe, but also in the region. Because this organization poses a massive threat to the entire Middle East. So we will defeat ISIL through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. First, we will work with the Iraqi government to ensure it represents all of its people and is able to tackle this threat effectively. We will support the Kurdish regional government who are holding the front line against ISIL. We will help them to protect their own people and the minorities including Christians that they helped already through our supplies of ammunition and through training. Second, we will work at the United Nations to mobilize the broadest possible support to bear down on ISIL. Third, the United States is taking direct military action, we support that. British tornadoes and surveillance aircraft have been helping with the intelligence gathering and logistics. This is not about British combat troops on the ground, it is about working with others to extinguish this terrorist threat. As this strategy intensifies, we are ready to take whatever steps are necessary to deal with this threat and keep our country safe. Fourth, we will continue to support the enormous humanitarian efforts, including using the RAF to do so to help the literally millions of people who have fled ISIL and are now living in appalling conditions. And fifth and perhaps most important, we will maintain and continue to reinforce our formidable counter terrorist effort here at home to prevent attacks and to hunt down those who are planning them. People across this country will have been sickened by the fact that it could have been a British citizen. A British citizen who could have carried out this unspeakable act. It is the very opposite of everything our country stands for. It falls to the government and to each and every one of us to drain this poison from our society and to take on this warped ideology that is radicalizing some of our young people. The murder of David Haines at the hands of ISIL will not leave Britain to shirk our responsibilities with our allies to deal with the threat that this organization poses. It must strengthen our resolve. We must recognize that it will take time to eradicate a threat like this. It will require, as I have described, action at home and abroad. This is not something we can do on our own. We have to work with the rest of the world. But ultimately, our security as a nation, the way we go about our everyday lives in this free and tolerant society that is Britain, has always depended on our readiness to act against those who stand for hatred and who stand for destruction, and that is exactly what we will do. Thank you.
[Feyerick:] And the British government released a statement on behalf of David Haines' heartbroken family, and it gives us a glimpse into the very full and generous life that David Haines lived and that was stolen so quickly and so brutally by ISIS. It was written by his brother Mike, I want to read it to you now in its entirety. And it begins, "My name is Mike Haines, I am brother to David Haines, who was recently murdered in cold blood. David was like so very many of us, just another bloke. Born in 1970 to parents who loved us both, our childhood was centered around our family. Holidays in caravans and tents, days away as a family which we remember fondly. David and I were brought up knowing right from wrong, and although we might not with the innocence of youth have always chosen right. David was a good brother, there when I needed him and absent when I didn't. I hope that he felt the same way about me. He was, in the right mood, the life and soul of the party and on other times the most stubborn irritating pain. He would probably say the same about me. After leaving school he worked with the Royal Mail before joining the RAF as an aircraft engineer," writes his brother. "He married his childhood sweetheart Louise and in the due process of time had a wee lass Bethany. He was, and no doubt wherever he is, exceptionally proud of Bethany. David served with the U.N. in the Balkans, helping people in real need. There are many accolades from people that have come out to speak on his behalf. He helped whoever needed help, regardless of race, creed or religion. During this time David began to decide that humanitarian work was the field that he wanted to work in. And David left the RAF and was employed by Scotrail. As with every job, David entered into it with enthusiasm. David met and married his second wife Dragana and they have a 4-year-old daughter Athea. David was most alive and enthusiastic in his humanitarian roles. His joy and anticipation for the work he went to do in Syria is for myself and family the most important element of this whole sad affair. He was and is loved by all his family and will be missed terribly." We will be right back.

[Quest:] Now, there's little doubt commercial drones are on the rise. Come on and look some of the uses have been put to. Some of them can film disaster zones, some of them can deliver sushi as Jim Boulden discovered in London. They do it rather badly. Some can carry Amazon parcels or at least that's Amazon's hope, and in Dubai, there's even a drone plan that will ultimate deliver government papers, documents, identity cards to citizens thus saving costs. It's all rather interesting. None of them do it terribly well, but now Facebook wants to use them to deliver the internet. Mark Zuckerberg who is reportedly in talks about [Joe Maker] says they can be used to provide web access anywhere on the planet he wrote on a blog. Today we are sharing some of the details of work Facebook's connectivity is doing to build drones, satellites and lasers to deliver the internet to everyone. Sounds to me a bit like cashing in on an idea. It's not only the giants who are jumping on the drone wagon. A man in San Francisco is testing a drone delivery service. Joshua Ziering is taking advantage of a judge's ruling making it legal to fly commercial drones in the United States. The Federal the FAA is trying to overturn on safety grounds. In the meantime, Ziering firm quickly is testing how drugs can be delivered from to homes in a relatively easy way. Look at the way in which they would say they would do it. Joshua Ziering joins me from San Francisco. OK, so your idea is to deliver simple things like medications and the like. The drone flies down, stops 20 feet away, you buzz the person out, they swipe and it drops them on the head. Basically that's the idea.
[Joshua Ziering, Founder, Quiqui:] That's absolutely right.
[Quest:] So, why do you think it's a viable idea and why is it a runner?
[Ziering:] Well, one of the things that we wanted to do is we wanted to make sure that, you know, a populated area we have the ability to deliver things quickly. So, what would what could we deliver quickly? We could deliver pharmaceutical items and where could we do it? We picked San Francisco's Mission district to start with.
[Quest:] What I don't understand is explain what the advantage of a drone delivering something versus the mail service?
[Ziering:] Well, so we're going to aim to do most of our deliveries in under 15 minutes. We're not stopped by traffic or construction, we can fly over all of those problems and deliver you your product very quickly.
[Quest:] And are these drones remote controlled in real time or do you program it and send it on its way while you get ready with the next one?
[Ziering:] They're autonomous so they'll be flying without the help of a person.
[Quest:] So it's not like we see with these military things where somebody's with a joystick going `round the corner, up the street, down the lane?
[Ziering:] Not at all.
[Quest:] What if it what if it goes wrong?
[Ziering:] What if it goes wrong, well I'm glad you asked. One of the things that we've been working on in QuiQui is redundancy. We want to be able to handle failure gracefully, and those who know me will say that I've been handling failure gracefully for years. So, we're going to try our best to make sure that nothing goes wrong.
[Quest:] Isn't this one of those cases that the critics will say maybe even critics like me will say `oh, it can't work, oh, it'll never work, oh, it'll all end in tears, oh, what a terrible idea,- and yet I'd have been probably one of the first people saying the same thing about the electric telephone and the light bulb. We just necessarily can't see the future in the way that maybe you can.
[Ziering:] Well, I think that the problem we're facing is one of culture and technology, and in the last two weeks even we've seen an unbelievable rise in the technology and the culture coming together to create a viable environment for drones.
[Quest:] So, the FAA lost a court case, drones can fly the FAA's appealing but we'll pull that to one side. When do you deliver your first aspirin tablet by drone?
[Ziering:] We're aiming to deliver our first one by July.
[Quest:] Right. By July. I won't hold you to them, and I will make it clear as well of course that you're not delivering narcotics, you're not delivering something that could be stolen or would have value and if it does land on their head, it won't hurt anybody, correct?
[Ziering:] That's absolutely right.
[Quest:] OK. If you start delivering bricks, let me know and I'll get out of the way. Thank you very much. Good to see you, sir. Nice to see you. Jenny Harrison is at the World Weather Center and joins us now. Deliveries by drones, Ms. Harrison. You can get the weekly wash and the weekly shop by drone.
[Jenny Harrison, Weather Anchor For Cnn International:] I tell you, it's an interesting idea, isn't it? I wonder how much the weather will play a part, Richard, in the
[Quest:] Oh,
[Harrison:] successful delivery.
[Quest:] why didn't I think about asking that a moment ago?
[Harrison:] Yes.
[Quest:] I should've thought I should have
[Harrison:] What if it's a windy day, a rainy day, a foggy day? I don't know.
[Quest:] Well foggy wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter in fog because
[Harrison:] Was I not listening?
[Quest:] it goes straightaway through.
[Harrison:] Oh, well OK. OK. Yes, rainy, windy. We've got quite a lot of all that actually in Europe as we head into the weekend, Richard. I'm going to start by showing you the satellite. In particular, we've had more of this very heavy rain work its way across the Mediterranean. The last few hours of course it is moving eastward. So Greece has really picked up some pretty impressive totals. Twenty-one millimeters of rain in just six hours. That's a big amount in a short space of time. And also, some more big hail. Not as big as the hail we had in Italy yesterday, that was five centimeters. But this as you can see is still pretty big at three centimeters in diameter. So that system continuing to work its way eastwards, and then we've got more rain on the rain on the way across the southwest, but also northern sections of North Africa we'll see some rain, some thunderstorms as well. It's really the middle sections of Europe as we go through the weekend that we'll see the best weather. That's where the high pressure is because we've got this cold air piling down from the north and the east, so we're going to see any moisture turning to snow here as well in the next couple of days. And then although it's milder toward the west, we've got more rain on the way. And still some fairly blustery winds across the northwest as well. It's all coming in though from this mild direction. But as you can see, some gusts reaching 50 or 60 kilometers an hour from time to time. Not bad, but a little bit blustery. This is showing you the cold air across eastern areas. Good temperatures across central and western areas. And of course with the high pressure in control, it's just really pushing all that cold air well off land areas. So look at what it does to temperatures with that mild area in place. Look at this Berlin 18 on Saturday and Sunday, the average is ten. Warm days ahead in Warsaw, the high temperature 14 on Sunday and very nice. In Bucharest 21 on Monday and 13 is the average there. But this is a very unsettled weather pattern, so you've got all this snow across the east. Colder air generally in place and then more rain across much of the northwest, and in particular, the southwest. So, temperatures on Saturday looking and feeling pretty respectable 20 Celsius in Paris, 18 in Rome good now the rain is cleared away, and 18 Celsius there in Berlin. Now if you're elsewhere around the world, but you want to know of course what is going on as well, so It's in New York, we've got quite a bit of rain working its way. Some severe thunderstorms actually in southern sections of the U.S. on Saturday. Sao Paulo we've got sort of scattered showers in between the sunny spells and then for Buenos Aires we've got more in the way of thunderstorms there on Sunday for you. And then heading across to Tel Aviv and Cairo, we've got some good temperatures, particularly in Cairo. Look at this temperatures here by Sunday 26 under good, clear sunny skies and also Rio, the usual sort of temperatures for this time of year. In then finally just to round things off, heading down to Africa in Johannesburg again, not a bad Saturday. Thunderstorms likely on Sunday. Richard.
[Quest:] Oh, I always do appreciate to know these things. Nairobi looks a bit toasty at 28 degrees as well and as for Lagos, 32 degrees. You need a sparkling water.
[Harrison:] Yes you will.
[Quest:] Jenny Harrison.
[Harrison:] Have a nice weekend.
[Quest:] Have a good weekend, see you next week. Now, one other story to bring you. General Motors said it would replace the faulty ignition switch in more than 800,000 models. Ninety-five thousand faulty switches were sold to dealers and aftermarket wholesalers between 2008 and 2011. It's another scandal for GM of course. And next week, Mary Barra, the new chief executive of GM, is giving evidence or giving testimony before the U.S. Congress. A bad day for Blackberry on Wall Street. After the break, we'll explain how the company plans to get out of its smartphone struggle. This is "Quest Means Business."

[Cristina Alesci, Cnn Money Correspondent:] It is really scary. This company thought it had the situation under control. They thought it was just one machine and it only impacted snacks that, as I was saying, the frozen ice cream sandwiches. Instead, it turns out where the the story gets serious is the institutional sales to hospitals and nursing homes because that those are the exact people who are at most risk for death when they're infected with this bacteria. And that's where it got serious. Those three deaths you mentioned were all in the same Kansas hospital.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] People in the hospital are eating this stuff, and that's how they're getting it.
[Alesci:] Exactly. The way the government knows it could potentially be Blue Bell is because all of those patients ate Blue Bell products in the hospital. And then they matched the strand of listeria in that ice cream with it was close to the strand of bacteria that the patients had. So it looks like there's a very strong connection here. We don't know definitively, but the CDC and FDA are saying stay away from all Blue Bell products, which is also very unusual for a government agency to say that.
[Baldwin:] What's the CEO saying?
[Alesci:] CEO has apologized. But you know, it doesn't seem like really enough. This is a small family-owned company. It's never happened to them. It's a 100-year-old company. You know, and one of the things that has come up in reporting this is how rare is it for listeria or companies to recall products because of listeria
[Baldwin:] What is it?
[Alesci:] That's a good question because anecdotally there have been a number of companies just in the past few weeks that have recalled their products for listeria. Sabra hummus, for example. I'm sure you
[Baldwin:] I have eaten that.
[Alesci:] I have, too. And not only that but Amy's Kitchen, who makes prepackaged vegetarian food, also recalling products for listeria. One of the reasons this might be happening is because the CDC and the FDA teamed up about a year ago to sequence the genome of listeria to make it easier to identify different strands of the bacteria. The government is actually paying more attention to it, which actually could increase the identification of this bacteria in food. So maybe this has been around for a long time. We just haven't identified it for until now.
[Baldwin:] Issues to figure out how it slipped in. That's the big problem. Meantime, no one eats Blue Bell
[Alesci:] Absolutely not. Throw it out if it's in your freezer.
[Baldwin:] Cristina Alesci, thank you very much.
[Alesci:] Of course.
[Baldwin:] Next here on CNN, a closer look at America's marijuana movement. How some are able to make millions off the stuff, while doing the same has put many others behind bars. Next, where is the curse jar when you need it? The manager for the Cincinnati Reds apologizing for this epic rant. Directed toward the media, where he somehow managed to drop count them with me 77 F- bombs.
[Brian Price, Coach, Cincinnati Reds:] Got to

[Anderson Cooper, Host Ac360:] Early morning here in Paris and the terror that has gripped this city and much of France for three days now. Well, it's frankly not yet over. People have breathed somewhat of sigh of relief but there is a still a massive manhunt going on for one terrorist suspect. Two brothers wanted in the killings of 12 people here in the office of Charlie Hebdo just a couple of blocks from where I'm standing. They are dead killed at the print shop north of the city. The man on the right there wanted in a police shooting, in the death of policewoman in Paris killed Thursday morning. That man is dead. His female housemate though, she remains at large. That is the manhunt still underway. Now, a police union spokesman says they believe she may have been inside the supermarket that he took over and that she may have actually been able escape the supermarket where four hostages were killed. A lot of questions though I got to say had been raised about that about how it would have been possible for her to get out given the tight security presence all around that supermarket. So that question remains. What we do know is that she is still believed to be at large and police and law enforcement are looking for her very, very urgently. It's hard for experts to believe though that she may have been able to escape. We're going to show you a video captured by French Television of the storming of the supermarket. Now, we're going to show it to you for a number of reasons. And there are a couple of key moments we're going to actually pause it on. I'm going to play most of it just in the natural sound so you can experience the raid as it happened. This occurred several minutes at least five minutes or so after the assault began on the print shop where the two brothers had been hold up. That assault began at the print shop. Jim Sciutto has been reporting because it now appears as if brothers tried to leave the print shop or the very least began shooting. Shots were first heard then flash bang grenades went off. It was several minutes later that the video that you are about to see the moment where police moved in, SWAT teams and tactical units moved in to the supermarket where more than 12 hostages had been. Let's take a look at that as captured by French T.V.
[Cooper:] I want to pause the video here for two important reasons. One, you just get a sense of the difficulty here for tactical units. They had to get this gate open and move very slowly. It was clearly an electronic gate on a motor. They weren't obviously to go in until the gate was up. Obviously, the fact that the gate was going up gave an indication to the terrorist inside that a raid was already beginning. And as the gate going up, you can clearly see the body of one hostage laying there lifeless on the ground. One person here has said four hostages were killed before the raid took place. We don't know if in fact that's true that all the hostages were killed, if the four hostages were killed before the raid took place. But at least person was laying apparently lifeless on the ground. This another critical moment. That is the third terrorist suspect the man wanted in connection with the killing of a French policewoman running trying to run out of the door being shot by the tactical units there. The moved in. Then, I want to show you the actual shooting of the terrorist. Police then move in. Hostages begin to come out. The idea that any hostage could have escaped in this moment again seems highly unlikely. As you can see they are all being quickly herded by the tactical units into awaiting vehicles. There are also we now understand at least two of the police officers were wounded as they went in. And shortly you're going to see them bringing out one of their wounded colleagues trying to help him. That we believe is them bringing out the terrorist leaving him on the ground. And here, you look there you see one of the wounded police officers who has then received treatment. As I said two are wounded in that attack. A very difficult operation given that there were only two points of entrance apparently to the supermarket and in large numbers of hostages to deal with. With all of that playing out here concerns had been growing around the world about the potential for similar attacks as we have been reporting. But tonight, the State Department is asking U.S. Citizens to maintain a high level vigilance. And the U.S. Intelligence Community has apparently shifted into high gear. Pamela Brown joins us with more on that. So you've been talking to law enforcement, intelligence officials? What are you hearing, Pam?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Correspondent:] And it's new, as law enforcement officials are saying they have been expecting an attack like what we saw in Paris and what happened there is really a realization of one their biggest concerns about the threat of terror activity in western countries. What's so striking here to U.S. officials is just the sophistication of the tactics and techniques used by the suspects suggesting formal training and the fact that the suspects didn't immediately martyr themselves like we have typically seen in recent terrorism acts. They essentially dragged this out instilling terror and fear in the community. Keeping the story alive likely with the knowledge that they would eventually die, Anderson. And this also shows that the boundaries between all the different terrorist affiliates seems to be breaking down here. The threat is metastasizing and turning into a global network. As we know that the suspects three of the suspects talked about how they have been influenced by ISIS and AQAP in Yemen. Anderson.
[Cooper:] And, you know, since the Mumbai attacks we have seen just an escalating number of these kind of smaller scale attacks with handfuls of gunmen with some level of training. We've seen in Kabul. We have seen it in Pakistan. Certainly, we've now seen in Paris. How much of the concern that this is sort of the new phase the shifting of tactics, the shifting away from large scale tactics where the intelligence officials say a number of groups still would like to take out but maybe harder to take out...
[Brown:] Right.
[Cooper:] ... than this smaller scale ones?
[Brown:] Absolutely. You hit the nail on the head, Anderson. Officials are saying that what we saw in Paris shows how were moving from a world of mega tear in the 911 era to these decentralized autonomous technical smaller scale and essentially harder to detect operations. What we saw in Paris is a step up from the unsophisticated lone wolf attacks that we've seen recently. And that concern was reflected in today's FBI, DHS joint warning that was sent out to law enforcement agencies across the country highlighting the tactics and techniques used by the suspects. So, you know, that was also a sentiment, Anderson, that was echoed by Britain's M15 head who warn that more terrorist attacks are to come. There is this sense, Anderson, that in some ways this could just be the beginning. It's like the war on drugs, you know, it seems like there's no end in sight as one official told me.
[Cooper:] And, yeah, and that was a sentiment echoed by Phil Mudd a former CIA and FBI. just in the last hour. Pam Brown, appreciate the update. Here in Paris the threat has been playing out hour by hour and still remains. We new photos of the woman still believed to be at large. Two pictures of her obtain by the French Daily Le Monde of the fugitive. The object she's pointing there a cross bow. Additionally, we are learning more about the two brothers who were killed at the print shop and what's been found in their car. Jim Sciutto is getting that. Jim, what are you learning?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right. This is from French Prosecutors learn tonight that in their car they found flags both for AQAP al-Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula that is al-Qaeda's affiliate in Yemen and for ISIS interestingly enough. Although all the claims to this point had been themselves claiming that they were part of al-Qaeda and Yemen as well as the contacts the French authorities have been aware of, the training that one of the brothers took from al-Qaeda in Yemen prior to this attack. But interesting they had both those flags. Another thing they found in their car we spoke about this earlier, Anderson is GoPro camera, you know, just a great demonstration of the era were in here. All these heavy weapons, the flags of these two very threatening terrorist groups, but also a GoPro camera, you know, a camera that kids use when they go skiing. What we don't know yet is if they found anything on that GoPro camera, did they use it at any part in these attacks to film the attacks as they were carrying them out.
[Cooper:] You know, those are actually very important details. One on the camera, there had been a lot of talk in Jihadist circles in social media circles, kind of said of the fact that there were hadn't been video taken by the attackers. Often we've seen video taken by attackers themselves which are then used later on for recruitment, for propaganda purposes. The fact that a GoPro camera was found seems to indicate that they hoped at some point to record some activity whether not they actually were able to. So it would be interesting to see if any video from that actually does come out the video that exist obviously of the attack here on Charlie Hebdo that was taken by journalist who work in the same building. Also, Jim, I'm fascinated about the fact that they had both al-Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula flag and ISIS, it raises to me just a number of questions about how much direction they really did have, and how much of it was more kind if there was more a kind of talk and trying to bolster themselves, if they're just collecting Jihadist flags from group which have been in competition with each other to try to use it at some point. It does raise questions. And again that's something law enforcement will be trying to figure out About how much of these operations really were directed by any other larger group, obviously, we know Cherif Kouachi claiming in an interview before the final attack took place the final authorities moved in claiming that he did in fact travel to Syria and in fact is well as directed and overseen by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. But it's unclear whether that may have just been talk.
[Sciutto:] Well, it's interesting because there's a whole range of possibilities here. You can have training from al-Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula without direction. They could have gone there, learned weapons training and then chosen the target and the timing on their own. This is the part this is the new reality we're dealing with here. I've gotten briefings from intelligence officials in recent months about how al-Qaeda and its affiliated groups, its franchisees and in effect have become more dispersed to smaller groups, harder to track, ranging from lone wolves, inspired by the propaganda online, but picking the targets, doing everything their own, perhaps in the middle ground, attackers like this, they received some training, but might have picked the targets on their own, rather than having direct direction. But this is something that the investigators are still trying to pinpoint as they traced back these attacks both here and in northeast of Paris.
[Cooper:] Jim, passing in details tonight, and thanks very much. I want to bring Dan O'Shea. The former Navy SEAL and went on head of the hostage working group, the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, also former CIA officer and Bin Laden hunter, Gary Berntsen. Hala Gorani is joining us as well here. Dan, let's start off with you. I'm just wondering, what your thoughts are given all that's taken place just in the last 24 hours and what to expect next?
[Dan O'shea, Fmr. Navy Seal Commander:] Well, this is the worst fears that are being realized, were seeing the crows coming home to roost of these individuals that are being trained, or they getting combat experience on Iraq and Syria, and else where, throughout the Middle East, Africa and other places and they're bringing back Jihad to France and England and Austria last month. So this is very, very challenging because this could be just the start the tip of the iceberg of what we're seeing here played out in Paris over he last couple of days.
[Cooper:] And Gary, I do I mean not to instill fear or try to spread fear, but I do think it's important to be informed. I mean I have talked to a number the former intelligence officials on this program over several days who said they believed it's only a matter of time until there is something like this potentially in the United States given the low level of training, one actually needs to carry out something like this, and the high impact they can have on social media and in the public.
[Gary Berntsen, Retired Cia Officer:] Clearly, it doesn't take a lot of training to be able to handle, you know, firearms, to handle weapons. Couple of hours in the woods with some decent trainers, you know, I want to see the trade [inaudible] that these guys used, you know, as you look at their cams. Was there pre-surveillance activity, all these things? And as you stated it, it doesn't take a lot of, you know, expertise to do this. You know, the West is full of countries that have, you know, we're soft targets. You know, we have an open border the United States. People can walk across, they can sell fund, you know, we're going to need better Intel, we're going to need to get a lot better and a lot of ways if we want to be able to confront, what could be a sort of new wave here and this may be in early example of this next pace of these struggles going to look like.
[Cooper:] And, Hala, even though this, there's still the huge manhunt underway for this female terrorist suspect plans are still moving forward Sunday a huge show of solidarity, the people of Paris, political leaders from around western Europe, are said to be coming here and they made those announcements publicly, a show of support in the phase of this terror of threat.
[Hala Gorani, Cnn International Correspondent:] Right, and the same perhaps as an individual, you need closure if in order to process grief. Perhaps as the nation as well, France needs that with the big demonstration. And you're talking about the highest levels of European leadership almost like a state funeral. Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, the prime minister of Spain, the prime minister of the U.K., all converging on Paris to show support for several reasons one because of course it's the right thing to do. Two, because in all those countries as well, there are fears of home grown Jihadists, of people who gone to fight in the Middle East, who might come back in the U.K. as well and might cause problems there as well. It's a European problem.
[Cooper:] Dan, the question now of this fourth suspect, the woman, believed to be a woman Jihadist the girlfriend of the terrorist who was killed at the grocery store. You know, there had been this question whether or not she actually have been in the supermarket. It's not clear if that is actually the case. It doesn't seem likely, given the difficulty for her that have actually been able to escape. I frankly just don't see how that's possible. But assume she does, I think surprised a lot of people to see her face when police put it out early this morning. And it does kind of open ones eye to the reality, the variety of kind of suspects who may be involved in something like this. One can't just imagine if it's a guy with the beard. It could frankly be just about anybody.
[O'shea:] That's a very good point. And the fact that I brought up with on your show in the past that, you know, 10 years ago and we dealt with all of these crises in Iraq, you know, 2014 let's say when al-Qaeda was doing this hostage scares and spreading camping with the beheading which ISIS is taking to the forefront here in recent months. But when we talk about foreign fighters coming to Iraq, these were fighters coming from the Gulf States in the Middle East Syria, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco. But now, these foreign fighters are coming back from France and England and we got a hundred plus fighters from the U.S. that are fighting in Syria and Iraq right now under the ISIS flag. So this is what's very challenging is that the fact that so many Westerners and they're coming in all colors, creeds, you know, genders if you will that are being motivated and inspired by this. Because again, we're looking for this one woman still in the mix, but the bigger picture is the neighborhood that foster this, the bigger cell, the folks either indirectly supporting these three or these four by a logistics or financing or training like Gary alluded to earlier. That's the bigger concern, is how big of a mix now are being inspired by these acts that are now happening in France. They have in the last month in Austria. There was an attack in Canada the month before the shooting at the monument. So this is as others are starting to say this is the third wave of what's now coming back. And it's very challenging because you're exactly right, Anderson. It's not necessarily a guy that looks Middle Eastern with a beard, it could be anyone.
[Cooper:] And, Gary, you know, authorities have said to me, you know, an individual lone individual is often the hardest attacked to rather prevent. That person may not have a social media profile, may not have be on the radar of law enforcement. The larger a cell gets, the more opportunities there are to connect the dots to try to prevent an attack like this. But we still don't know the full extent of this cell here. And it just really goes to show the difficulties for intelligence officials or law enforcer personnel to keep track of this sure number of suspects they have, particularly here in France, the sure number of people it takes to track somebody. Apparently this brothers though they were know, you know at least one of them had served time, that they were on the radar of intelligence officials here, they have been under at some times, some form of surveillance. But it seems like they kind of lay low for a while. Cherif Kouachi got a job in a fish market, seem to be not involved in anything. And clearly, French Intelligence stopped following him or stopped in paying as much attention to him as they have previously.
[Berntsen:] Anderson, the Europeans and the French in particular have problems that are the result of also 751 no-go-zones in France where you have Islamic communities that have formed councils that are managing these areas. And the police don't go in. If you look at Sweden there are 55 no-go-zones there. You know, fire fighters or ambulance drivers go in there and they're attacked. Their vehicles are lit on fire, their tires are slashed, and the Europeans have not pushed back against this. They can't surveil people inside this no go zones if they get and go in there. And so, consequentially, you have, you know hundreds of thousands people living in areas on enclaves that are completely separated from the government. The government has no control of them and then they can walk out of that no-go-zone and do an attack. The Europeans have lost their minds by allowing these things to be created. We don't have that in the United States thank goodness but the Europeans are faced...
[Cooper:] Hala...
[Berntsen:] ... with much larger numbers of Jihadists and these enclaves.
[Cooper:] ... and Hala, this really does raise I mean a lot of concerns moving forward and a lot of questions about how do you assimilate large numbers of new immigrants to the country who may not want to embrace a French, you know, a French way of life as immigrants traditionally do in the United States.
[Gorani:] And I think you can point the finger of blame both ways according to so many people who look at the French situation. This is decades and decades of missed opportunities and at integration with some of these communities. So, yes, you do have and this is true. Enclaves, the police is hesitant to go in where there are sort of stealth governing groups that create sort of separate little entities within these enclaves, that is true. But at same time there has to be at some point a conversation in this country and other European countries about how you create a national identity and where young men don't feel necessarily that they get their identity a young men who are at the very extreme fringes of criminality where they will not feel like they get their identity and are available for brainwashing by these groups. That is definitely a conversation that needs to have.
[Cooper:] Hala Gorani, I appreciate you being with us. Dan O'Shea it's always great to have you on the program, Gary Berntsen as well on the stories under these circumstances. Up next in this hour, how these days are terror and the reaction to all this been playing out have been resonating in the Muslim community here, we'll be right back.
[Commercial Break Cooper:] Welcome back. We've been talking about the climate that either gives rise to violent extremism or hopefully discourages and it helps law enforcement contain it. The key here in France around the world maybe found in the larger Muslim community. Joining us now is Arwa Damon who spent time today with people who lived along side the Kouachi brothers. Obviously also you're you speak Arabic fluently, a native speaker. You spend a lot of time in communities like this. Mark McCain in our last hour from the Global Mail said that he talked to a neighbor who was concerned about the Kouachi brothers claimed to have actually seen the cash and weapons inside their house and was threatened to not go to police. It's a different message you got from a lot of other people in the neighborhood.
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] It really is very different because we first started off going to the mosque where the younger brother Cherif was known to have prayed. But interestingly the officials there were telling us the worshipers there are telling that they barely saw him. When his image first came out, they didn't even make the initial connection that he was actually someone who worship at their mosque. He only showed on Fridays during these big occasions. But then when we went to his apartment building, a lot of people that really didn't want to talk living bombarded by the press, those who did speak off camera were saying that he was actually quite polite, very quiet that yes at times they did hear loud noises perhaps arguments coming from his apartment. They saw him at a couple occasions with his wife she was in the full black hijab and then outside of the local kebab shop where he would stop and have a meal every once in awhile. The groups that were gathered there were saying that they were stunned when they saw his image on television. They said that they had absolutely no idea whatsoever from his behavior that he had such radical intentions. And one man even remembered how he would help old women carry their groceries.
[Cooper:] You know there had been a number of reports that Cherif Kouachi he got a job in a as a fishmonger in a fish market basically laying low one of his former employers was quoted saying all he talks about is the price of fish never talking about policy or anything like that. The question is was that part an intentional kind of laying low to try to make sure that law enforcement wasn't tracking them, didn't have any concerns about them as they plan this operation or not.
[Damon:] It very well could be because after his release from jail I remember he was detained 2004-2005 because he'd been radicalized then he had a contingent to go fight the war in Iraq. It seems that upon his release of 708, he did undertake his concerted effort not to necessarily stand out and that's one of the key issues here. You have these individuals that don't fit that stereotype of what a lot of people believe that you're Muslim terrorist would look like. These people that easily blend into the population and then they're the ones that emerge being the most radical.
[Cooper:] We should also say the law enforcement at the time did believe that he may have had a role in an attempt to breakout two Algerian nationals who were being held in a French prison for a prior terror attack. They said there wasn't enough evidence to actually bring them to trial, though the other suspect and the third suspect the manager of the supermarket he actually was caught and was put on trial and serve time in relation to that effort breaking them out of jail. Arwa Damond, I appreciate the reporting. We do want to get additional perspective now from Jonathan Laurence, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of the Emancipation of Europe's Muslims. Thank you very much for being with us, I appreciate it. I'm wondering your thoughts on all that you have seen taking place just in the last several days and also what it means for France moving forward as a society.
[Janathan Laurence, Senior Fellow, Brookings Institute:] Well it's an extremely difficult time for French-Muslims especially as a new minority that has not yet entirely found their place politically or even in terms of being able to live their religious lives fully and this is going to set back the clock I think a lot on majority and minority relations.
[Cooper:] There also is the concern among many people French people I've talked to today about this contingency drive that you wedged further between Muslim society in France and the rest of society politically wedged, socially wedged that already exist. And in some efforts, that's really part of so many of the terrorist who want to have happen. They want there to be this wedged between the groups. There want there to be this idea of being at war against the religion of Islam which feeds into the notion these terrorist are trying to push.
[Laurence:] That's exactly right. They want to polarize. They want to divide and that is why it's so striking that one of the first things that happened during today's Friday prayers for example in Bordeaux was a call by the main imam there to participate in some days national unity march. One of the first delegations to arrive right here before even the interior ministry arrive was a delegation from one of the major French-Muslim Federation. So I think they're very careful about avoiding any of those traps.
[Cooper:] Although we have seen in a number of Western European countries, new immigrants particularly from Muslim countries not making as much effort to assimilate into the larger population. We've seen that in Sweden, obviously in England, here in France and as one of the guests earlier was talking about, there are kind of no go-zones where police don't even really go into and again it does cut both ways. They're having criticisms of French government's, prior governments and even current ones reaching out to Muslim communities but there is this lack of assimilation in many quarters.
[Laurence:] Well, I think we have to distinguish between ethic enclaves on the one hand, we're familiar with those from the United States, little Italy and China Town and no go-zones on the other which has to do with the rule of law actually stopping at the boarders of certain neighborhoods. Those are very different. I think that when it comes to new migrant populations, this is quite natural that they choose to congregate together, they have shops that remind them their country of origin, they had share of languages, perhaps prayer spaces. The question is overtime whether or not there's opportunity to get out if they want to. And so making sure that that's not a solid line drawn around them but rather a dotted line in which they could leave if they want to. But also which they could identify with their community if that's what they choose. And I think that a lot of French-Muslims don't feel that they can do so comfortably, you know, say that they're Muslim and French and proud to be so.
[Cooper:] Critical days in the days ahead and weeks and months ahead. Jonathan Laurence I appreciate you being with us, thank you very much.
[Laurence:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] There's a lot more to cover from more on the story. Now there's a course you go to cnn.com. Just ahead, she is right now the most wanted woman in France. Tonight, the companion of one of the terrorist killed today, a suspect in the killing of a French police woman at Thursday morning. The search for this woman has put her on the spotlight in the growing range of female Jihadists, more on here ahead.

[Blitzer:] A potentially deadly disease, a growing number of cases around the world. Health experts are keying a very close watch on the MERS virus, the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. There are now two confirmed cases here in the United States. Both health care workers who contracted the disease while in Saudi Arabia. Let's get straight to the Centers for Disease Control headquarters in Atlanta. Our senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is there for us. Elizabeth, lots of concern about two other health care workers who became ill after taking care of these MERS patients at least one of the MERS patients in Florida. Do health care workers do these two health care workers have MERS?
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Right, Florida the state of Florida tested these patient, Wolf, and they say, no, they don't have MERS. That's according to the Centers for Disease Control. Now, specimens from these two health care workers arrived here at the CDC this morning in Atlanta. And as we speak, the CDC is retesting these specimens to make sure that Florida got it right. But what we're told now is that their tests have turned out negative and they are working to confirm that.
[Blitzer:] Now, as you know, new posters are going up at major U.S. airports warning about MERS. I've seen those posters. So do passengers, all passengers, need to be worried right now about getting this virus?
[Cohen:] You know what, all passengers don't need to be worried. What the CDC says, if you've come off a flight from the Arabian peninsula and you have certain symptoms, like a cough or a fever, you should talk to your doctor. As a matter of fact, if someone gets off a flight from the Arabian peninsula and they seem ill, airline employees are told, hey, pull that person aside and call the CDC. The CDC, which has offices at airports, wants to talk to these passengers. So, you know, if you're not going to the Arabian peninsula, there's no special reason for you to be concerned. But, if you've come from the peninsula and you're feeling ill, then you should go see a doctor.
[Blitzer:] I'm going to be speaking later in "The Situation Room" with the assistant director general director of the World Health Organization in Geneva. But MERS is now no longer just in the Arabian peninsula. As you know, Elizabeth, it's spread to about 18 countries, including the United States. So, I suspect that that's why folks have to be worried about too much potential contact, not just in the Arabian peninsula, but maybe elsewhere.
[Cohen:] Right. That's true. I mean these for example, let's take the two MERS patients who are in the United States, in Florida and Indiana. There is the potential that they've spread it to other people. For example, health care workers who were taking care of them before they realized they had MERS, could they have spread it to them? Well, what we know is that so far they haven't. Or these two patients, who were both on long flights, and in Indiana, the Indiana patient, he was on a flight from London to Chicago. And that patient did not give anyone on that plane MERS. So is there reason to be concerned, yes, but what we've seen so far is that these two patients in the U.S. have not spread it to anybody else. And that speaks to how difficult it is to spread this virus. It's not like the flu, Wolf. It's a whole different kind of virus.
[Blitzer:] Unfortunately, though, it apparently kills about a third of those who get this virus. And that's, obviously, very, very terrifying when you think about it. Elizabeth Cohen outside the CDC in Atlanta. We'll check back with you. Thanks so much. Terrified to go to school. After more than 200 girls in Nigeria were snatched from their dorm beds, fear is spreading in the region. We'll have an exclusive report. Up next, Magic Johnson's advice for Donald Sterling. All part of his exclusive interview with our own Anderson Cooper.

[Holmes:] You're going to love this video that came out of the Vatican today. Check this out.
[Malveaux:] Here's Pope Francis taking a ride on his Pope-mobile with a teenage boy who has Down's syndrome. That's pretty cool. The pope saw him admiring the Pope-mobile and he asked him if he want today go for a ride, so you might notice the boy wearing an Argentina soccer shirt. Well, that explains the lucky break.
[Holmes:] It could, couldn't it? I hadn't noticed that one. The pope after all is from Argentina. That will do it for you. Now you know when you go to the Vatican...
[Malveaux:] Yeah. Sport the shirt there. The Vatican says a miracle has taken place that's going to amaze the world.
[Holmes:] They say it's a miracle the late-pope John Paul II needs to actually be on the books for him to officially become a saint. All right, let's go to John Allen, our senior Vatican analyst joining us. Tell us about the miracle and how big a deal it is.
[John Allen, Cnn Senior Vatican Analyst:] Hi there, Michael and Suzanne. Well, it's a very big deal because, as you say, it clears the way for John Paul II to be formally declared a saint by the Catholic Church. Now the Vatican hasn't officially revealed any details because they don't, typically. They wait for the process to be completed. But what we know on background is that it apparently involves the healing of a woman in Costa Rica who was suffering from a severe brain injury who prayed to the late-pope for assistance and the reports are that on the evening of May 1st, 2011, which was the day that John Paul was beatified which was the final step before sainthood, she reportedly was heeled. Vatican officials, Michael and Suzanne, are actually calling this a double miracle because not only did she apparently recover from this brain injury, but members of her family who have lost their faith have also returned to the church. So they're claiming it's sort of a double play for the late pope.
[Malveaux:] And, John, explain how this works. I mean, you know, just for folks out there who might not understand, how do these miracles actually verified or made public or made official in some way?
[Allen:] Well, the theology of sainthood is that a saint is somebody who lives such a holy life that they are already in heaven with God. Now, the question, of course, is how in the world do you know that? And the answer that the church has traditionally given is that, if somebody is able to engineer a miracle, that's proof that they are close to God and able to intercede to help somebody out who is still on Earth. In John Paul's case the miracle for his beatification and, of course, there's one miracle required to be beatified and another for canonization. The miracle for beatification in 2011 was the healing of a French nun from Parkinson's disease, of course, the same ailment from which John Paul himself suffered. And in this case, it's the woman from Costa Rica. These miracle reports are reviewed by a team of doctors to make sure that they're inexplicable, medically and scientifically, then by a team of theologians to make sure they pass spiritual muster. Then there's a body of cardinals that has to sign-off and finally the pope himself. Once that's done the Vatican is saying this canonization could occur as early as next October, which, Michael and Suzanne, would be an all- time land speed record. Normally, you know, the Vatican thinks in centuries. In this case it could happen as quickly as eight years.
[Holmes:] You took our next question and answered it. Yeah, because this has been a pretty speedy path to sainthood. John, always great to have you on the program. John Allen there.
[Malveaux:] And still ahead, a rare punishment in Qatar, a member of the royal family now going to prison after he's held partly responsible for a fire that killed 13 toddlers.

[Michael Holmes, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back. Nobody at the moment knows the fate of two airline pilots who were kidnapped today from an airline bus by men with guns.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] This happened in Beirut, Lebanon. A pilot and co-pilot, both working for Turkish Airlines, they were on a bus between the Beirut airport and their hotel when witnesses say several gunmen stopped the bus, ran on board and grabbed the pilots.
[Holmes:] Let's go straight to Beirut, live. Mohammed Jamjoom is standing there. Mohammed, you know, this could be a very complex story to tell. You have got Turkish pilots in Beirut, the kidnappers likely to be worried about what's happening in Syria.
[Mohammed Jamjoom, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yeah, absolutely, Michael, this is a complicated tale to tell and one that's been hard to untangle. This was a particularly audacious kidnapping that happened today in Beirut. It happened around 3:00 a.m. local time earlier this morning. Now the Lebanese interior minister said that an investigation is ongoing. He's been in touch with the Turkish ambassador to Lebanon. Everybody's trying to make sure that these pilots can be released as quickly and as safely as possible. But here's where it gets complicated. Many people here believe that this happened as a direct result of the fall out from the Syrian civil war. Now here is why. The reason for this is because many people think that this kidnapping today was in retaliation for the kidnapping of Lebanese Shiite pilgrims that happened in Syria last year. We've heard from the Lebanese state media apparatus that there's a group that claimed responsible that's saying they're demanding the release of these Shiite Lebanese pilgrims from Syria and then they will release these Turkish pilots. The reason that Turkish citizens would be considered targets here in Lebanon is because the Turks have supported the Syrian rebels. Here in Lebanon, this country is divided when it comes to the Syrian civil war, the sectarian lines here really mirroring the sectarian lines in Syria and because of that there's anger toward the Turks from some quarters here in Lebanon. Michael?
[Holmes:] All intertwined across borders. Mohammed Jamjoom, thanks so much. And, of course, there's doubt about what the government can do.
[Malveaux:] Whether or not they have any influence at all, right?
[Holmes:] Exactly.
[Malveaux:] Yeah.
[Holmes:] On that specific group, anyway. Yeah.
[Malveaux:] And we're also watching this. This is something they tell you always. Read the fine print, right?
[Holmes:] I love this story. MALVEAUX; Number one rule when you sign something, but one Russian man turns it to his advantage. He actually turns it on its head with a credit card and a bank that actually fails to read the fine print. We'll have that, next. Got you.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Host:] Tonight: grilled by U.S. lawmakers on Ebola, the chief of the CDC says the virus will be a threat for a long time to come. I'll ask one of Britain's leading scientists: can anyone stop the disease? Also ahead, how did a son of Hamas end up becoming a spy for Israel? The extraordinary drama full of intrigue and betrayal.
[Amanpour:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour. So can anyone stop Ebola? Leaders around the world are giving that question their full attention today. The British Prime Minister David Cameron called an emergency security meeting. E.U. health ministers are gathering in Brussels and in the United States President Obama has cleared his diary and canceled travel plans for a second straight day to figure out how to stop the spread of the deadly disease after the CDC leading the charge promised and failed to stop Ebola in its tracks. And if America is having such trouble, what does it mean for everyone else? CDC director Tom Frieden was grilled on Capitol Hill today.
[Dr. Thomas Frieden, Director, Cdc:] And I will tell you, as the director of CDC, one of the things I fear about Ebola is that it could spread more widely in Africa. If this were to happen, it could become a threat to our health system and the health care we give for a long time to come.
[Amanpour:] The CDC is under fire not least for reportedly allowing a nurse who said she had a fever to travel by plan. Amber Vinson has now been transported to a specialized unit at Emory Hospital in Atlanta. She, too, had treated the patient who died in Texas last week, just like nurse Nina Pham, who now is being sent for better treatment as well in Maryland. As nurses complain that they have not been properly train to deal with this disease, President Obama has vowed to do more.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We are monitoring, supervising, overseeing in a much more aggressive way exactly what's taking place in Dallas initially and making sure that the lessons learned are then transmitted to hospitals and clinics all across the country.
[Amanpour:] So can Ebola be stopped? And is it too late to prevent it spreading even further? Joining me now in the studio is Sir Roy Anderson. He's professor of infectious disease at Imperial College here in London. He was chief scientist for the British Ministry of Defense and he's also advised the WHO and U.N. AIDS. Thank you for joining us. Welcome to the program. How bad is it?
[Sir Roy Anderson, Imperial College:] Well, the situation in the three main countries affected, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, is very serious indeed. So the virus continues to spread. The doubling time of the epidemic, which is the time between the doubling in number of cases, is running at about 25-28 days. So if we have 10,000 cases today, 25 days later we're going to have 20,000. So nothing as yet that has been done is slowing the spread of this virus.
[Amanpour:] So can anything? That is the obvious next question. What can stop this spread and this disease?
[Anderson:] Well, you have very limited there are no drugs to treat patients. And there is no vaccine at the moment. So you have two options, quick isolation of the infected patient, the ill patient, and then the follow-up and quarantine of all the contacts of that patient. But this is the problem. If you now have a set of field hospitals being put in Sierra Leone and Liberia by United Kingdom and United States, the number of field hospitals is probably about 22 for the U.K., 25 for the United States. Those hospitals have got to be able to deal with and quarantine a very large number of patients. And so one's fear is that the doubling time of this epidemic is going to escalate the Western response at present.
[Amanpour:] And yet this is or is it a massive Western response. I mean, the United States has sent something like 4,000 military personnel plus doctors, plus trainers, plus equipment. Britain has done something similar and is sending more to Sierra Leone. Obviously the French are in Guinea. They are the only ones that can do this heavy lifting. Is it too late though?
[Anderson:] Well, I hope not. But I think it's going to take some time for these three countries to be able to allocate and deploy the resources that are required to slow the spread. I'm not totally convinced that these hospitals will actually slow the spread significantly. Their first task is to treat the infected or contact health care workers. So that's the first task, because these individuals are most important. Stopping spread and quarantining in the population, in these three major urban centers, is going to be very difficult indeed. And so although they may slow the spread and we need more resources to do that longer term the solutions must be either immunotherapy, which is putting serum into infected patients, and more importantly of course in the longer term a vaccine.
[Amanpour:] Well, let me ask you about that because last week on the program we spoke to Dr. Adrian Hill. He's at Oxford University. And he talked about trials being conducted right now. He thought they might take a long time, some 10 years to actually come to fruition. But what can you tell us about any advances in these vaccine trials?
[Anderson:] Well, so far there have been trials in volunteers, in United Kingdom, United States and Mali. These individuals have volunteered to receive a trial vaccine. And Dr. Fauci announced quite recently that in the United States there have been no safety worries as yet of this inoculation into these patients. So then if that continues to be good news, then the question is an international agency and regulatory authority one it is how can we speed up the process of getting this trial vaccine first of all manufactured on scale? And that's a challenge, real challenge for the companies, and then deploy it as quickly as possible? Now under the most optimistic scenario, you're talking about the first quarter to the first half of next year. And then the vaccine has to be used in the best manner possible, not only to protect health care workers, which is the primary function at the moment, but also to think about ring vaccination to slow the spread of this infection.
[Amanpour:] But are you hopeful for this vaccine? We just heard about the trial. Is can you tell us anything new about it? Is it something that you think will actually do the trick?
[Anderson:] So far, so good.
[Amanpour:] So that's good news.
[Anderson:] That is good news. But there's a long way to go and there's also very important decisions to be made by the World Health Organization and the governments of the United States and the United Kingdom about what trials would satisfy the safety and efficacy needs to get
[Amanpour:] Do we have that time?
[Anderson:] I think if people really move, these decisions could be made in weeks.
[Amanpour:] Could be done in weeks?
[Anderson:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] So this could be available in weeks, you're saying?
[Anderson:] No. I'm saying that the availability of a candidate vaccine is going to take the manufacturing process to develop thousands and
[Amanpour:] But the approval could be.
[Anderson:] The approval and what would satisfy the international community to use the vaccine if everything went well
[Amanpour:] And you're saying, frankly, that is the only way to stop the spread?
[Anderson:] Well, I think the current quarantine and isolation has to be pushed very, very hard in the most affected areas. And of it and the United States and United Kingdom and France need to step up that effort. But longer term, to prevent this infection becoming endemic, not only in West Africa but I really do fear as WHO made the comment, that this might jump to the East Coast and other cities.
[Amanpour:] Well, the East Coast of the United States, you're talking about. There are a huge number of questions and we pose that question, if the U.S. can't get a grip on this, you know, how can these other countries? And we've just talked about this a lot. Let me play you a little bit of an interview from Dr. Brantly, who was also infected, cured and then he's been giving his blood to some others in the front lines. Listen to what he said about it.
[Dr. Kent Brantly, Ebola Worker And Survivor:] I think there's a lot of irrational fear about Ebola spreading in the United States. If we think about what we've seen so far, we had one man who came from Liberia, contracted the disease there and came to America and got sick here. And now who else has gotten sick from him? It's two health care workers who were taking intimate care of him.
[Amanpour:] So is he right? Is this being blown out of proportion?
[Anderson:] Well, I think for the Western countries, United States and Western Europe, probably yes. But here's an observation. The epidemic is spreading in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea at a rate which is each primary case of infection generates two secondary cases. That's the average. The United States, two secondary cases were generate admittedly by health care workers who were caring for the very ill patient in that time. Now many of us are surprised at what has happened in Texas. But I suspect now CDC will control nationally, not just state by state, the criteria and the protocols that were required to prevent this happening.
[Amanpour:] And yet, even after the death of this man, the infection of another nurse, another nurse reporting she has a fever; she's allowed to get on a plane. Can I just play also a little bit of what the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, America's top military official, said about the possibility
[Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman, Joint Chiefs Of Staff:] If you bring two doctors who happen to have that specialty into a room, one will say, no, there's no way it'll ever become airborne. But it could mutate so it would be harder to discover.
[Amanpour:] He's caused a lot of controversy and a lot of fear with that.
[Anderson:] Well, this virus is a little bit different from the viruses that were causing sporadic epidemics way back in 2004 in the previous 40 years. The number of changes in a code which has 19,000 bits is about 300, relatively small. So my first concern is not mutation. My first concern is getting this under control. And at the moment there's no evidence to say that this is airborne droplet transmitted. However, I stress that this is a very difficult infection to study and there's no evidence to say not, that my assumption and the evidence at the moment points to contact.
[Amanpour:] Mr. Roy Anderson, thank you so much indeed for joining me tonight, clearing up some of the many, many questions and fears about this. And after a break, what if we told you the son of a founder of Hamas, the radical Palestinian organization, grew up to become one of Israel's most valuable spies? It is not the plot of a novel by John le Carre. It is a true story and it's the basis of a remarkable new documentary. We'll meet that son of Hamas and the director who brought his story out of the shadows when we come back.

[Lemon:] Back to our storm coverage here in the United States in just a moment, but we're still following the devastating aftermath of Supertyphoon Haiyan. With nearly 4,000 people dead, millions displaced, the scope of destruction is simply too hard to imagine. CNN's Carl Pinhall has a terrifying new perspective.
[Carl Pinhall, Cnn Correspondent:] Look around you and imagine how it must have felt standing here on Magallanes Street in Tacloban City as a towering wall of water raced in from the ocean. But take a look, the pictures speak clearly for themselves. Wherever you look, international organizations and government rescue teams are hard at work, pulling away debris, still looking for bodies of the dead, trying to bring relief to the survivors.
[Lemon:] An amazing perspective. Thank you, Carl. Up next, Brooke Baldwin reports live from tornado damaged Washington, Illinois. A special report, the next hour of the CNN NEWSROOM begins right now.
[Baldwin:] Don, thank you so much.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Now it's time for the pop culture lead. Looks aren't everything. Sure Ashton Kutcher does indeed bear a passable resemblance to Steve Jobs. But beyond the beard and bad glasses, does the new biopic on the Apple founder miss the mark? Erin McPike is here with that story. Erin?
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it's getting some mixed reviews. And my head was actually spinning reading some of them today, because they're all over the map on what's right and what isn't. The movie takes us back to when Apple was just a concept and long before we had our very own iPods and iPhones. Critics are saying it may help you understand the history behind how you got your personal computer but it may not help you understand Steve Jobs.
[Ashton Kutcher, Actor:] The sexiest thing in the entire world is being really smart.
[Mcpike:] Ashton Kutcher is a matinee idol but as he told the crowd at the Teen Choice Awards, he learned something valuable from tech superstar Steve jobs, who he plays in the new biopic.
[Kutcher:] And you can build your own thing. You can build your own life that other people can live in. So build a life. Don't live one, build one.
[Mcpike:] Kutcher threw himself into the role of the Apple founder, even dieting on fruit only. That landed Kutcher in the hospital. [Begin Video Clip, "jobs"]
[Kutcher, "steve Jobs":] It's mine and they're taking it away from me?
[Mcpike:] It's not the only tough part that comes with playing a public figure, especially one who died as recently as Steve Jobs.
[Joshua Michael Stern, Director, "jobs":] It's a real warts and all story. And in fact, Steve comes off pretty harsh. Very honest, sort of brutal, exacting sometimes in the way he deals with business.
[Mcpike:] Director Joshua Michael Stern wanted to focus on the early days of Apple.
[Stern:] It really started with a sort of bunch of geeky guys fiddling with computer boards and old black and white TVs. And that's what was fascinating about the whole story for me.
[Mcpike:] Jobs and his business partner, Steve Wozniak, built Apple from the garage up.
[Unidentified Male:] Nobody wants to buy a computer. Nobody!
[Mcpike:] Wozniak has called the movie inaccurate.
[Piers Morgan, Cnn:] This scene apparently has you doubting that anyone's ever going to want to buy a computer. Was that true?
[Steve Wozniak, Cofounder, Apple:] No. It was absolutely the opposite. It was more like myself convincing Steve Jobs that these great social revolutions were going to be made possible by this device. He didn't even suggest we start a computer company back then.
[Mcpike:] Critics say the film delivers a sanitized version of a man who was widely recognized as a genius but one with a prickly persona.
[Hayley Tsukayama, "the Washington Post":] If you're going to watch a biography, you want to learn a little bit more about what makes someone tick and about what drives their personality. And I think in a lot of ways by taking on so much, this movie failed to really accomplish that.
[Mcpike:] Jobs died in 2011 of cancer. His legacy is still being shaped.
[Tsukayama:] If you had made a movie about JFK's life a year or two after his assassination, that would paint a very different picture of JFK at that time than it would if we made it now. And so I think this movie will capture sort of the affection for Steve Jobs and the admiration for Steve Jobs that a lot of people have, but in terms of capturing sort of an accurate portrayal of where he fits in history or of who he really was, it may not be as good at that.
[Mcpike:] Movie-goers may get another shot at a Jobs movie soon. There's a competing biopic in the works by Aaron Sorkin. It's based on Walter Isaacson's authorized biography. And, Jake, the movie opens tonight. I think I'm going to see it eventually. Maybe it will psych me up to learn how to use this iPhone 5 that I still obviously don't know how to use.
[Tapper:] You're still struggling with that. All right, Erin McPike, thank you so much. In other pop news, I've heard of no shirt, no shoes, no service, but no beard? Apparently at one New York hotel, yes. "Duck Dynasty" star Chase Robertson was in town this week promoting the start of the fourth season when he got escorted out his hotel for what he called facial profiling. "Duck Dynasty" fans, do not flood the streets of New York with your anger. The Robertson clan said the man was "very nice," and it was all just a big misunderstanding. Coming up, somewhere agents Scully and Mulder are saying, "I told you so." A declassified NSA document now acknowledges the existence of Area 51. We'll tell you exactly where to find it. Stay with us.

[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Guest Anchor:] OUTFRONT next, breaking news, a stunning admission from the president. The administration has no strategy to defeat the terror group, ISIS, in Syria. Plus what we're learning about Douglas McCain, the American who died fighting for ISIS and his close ties to another American jihadi. And mounting evidence of Russian troops inside Ukraine. One Ukrainian official calling it, quote, "A full scale invasion." Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening. I'm Jim Sciutto in again tonight for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news, President Obama speaking out on two major world crises. First, the fight against the terror group, ISIS. A group a top official told me last night here on our air that poses, quote, "a very serious threat to the homeland." But while the Pentagon has said repeatedly that it is working on a range of options to deal with ISIS inside Syria, the president said tonight not so fast.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We don't have a strategy yet.
[Sciutto:] That's no strategy to fight this terror group in a country where they've captured multiple cities, an air base and many weapons including 20 Russian tanks. That same group that released this video today. Video they say shows some of the 250 Syrian soldiers they captured and later executed after gaining control of that Syrian air base this week. And I want to warn you, this next video is graphic. This is video from Syrian activists claiming to show the bodies, the dead bodies of those soldiers. The brutality of this terror group again on full display and here at home, a frightening new terror tie uncovered. The American killed fighting for is in Syria this week was a close friend of another American killed fighting alongside a terror group as well. Douglas McArthur McCain and Troy Kastigar, both from Minneapolis. Kastigar killed in 2009 fighting in Somalia even appearing in this terror recruitment video. [Begin Video Clip]
[Unidentified Male:] If you guys only knew how much fun we have over here, this is the real Disneyland.
[Sciutto:] A terror Disneyland. And the other major crises for the president tonight, up to 1,000 Russian troops crossed into Ukraine. Will President Obama stand up to Russia's President Vladimir Putin? Our own Diana Magnay is going to be on the frontlines. But we begin tonight with Jim Acosta who is at the White House. Jim, some remarkable words from the president tonight live on television.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] That's right, Jim. As we both know the dangers of live television and they played out here in the briefing room at the White House earlier today. But as the president was trying to take on the two major crises facing his administration right now, both ISIS and Russia, let's start with Russia first. Russia's apparent military moves in Ukraine. The president stopped short of calling that an invasion, but made it clear that additional sanctions for Russia are coming very soon, perhaps in the coming weeks. But the president once again ruled out any U.S. military solution to resolve that crisis. But as for the big moment of the day, and it was arguably not the president's best moment that he's had in some time. The president tried to explain to the American people what his strategy was for dealing with the ISIS threat in Syria, and he used the words and you just played them there we don't have a strategy yet. Jim, I have to tell you that as soon as the president made those remarks, White House officials were crashing the phones. One called me to explain almost immediately doing instant damage control that the president was talking about the ISIS threat in Syria. That he was not talking about his overall strategy for ISIS. The White House maintains he does have an overall strategy for dealing with ISIS that involves not only military solutions and air strikes like you're seeing in Iraq, but also building up regional partners to help combat that terrorist threat. That's why Secretary of State John Kerry is heading to the region after next week's NATO summit, but make no mistake, Jim, this was a press conference the president wanted to have today to sort of tamp down speculation that he was on the verge of launching air strikes. There's been some media speculation about that all week long, but instead the president created another controversy. We saw the White House Press Secretary Josh Ernest go on "THE SITUATION ROOM" with Wolf Blitzer an hour or so after the president made its remarks. It's never a good day for the White House when the press secretary has to do that.
[Sciutto:] It still raises hard questions. Jim Acosta at the White House. To help answer some of those questions, joining me now Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. She is an Iraq veteran and one of only two female combat veterans ever to serve in Congress. Congresswoman Gabbard, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
[Representative Tulsi Gabbard , Hawaii:] Aloha, Jim.
[Sciutto:] I'm sure you've heard the president's words now, we do not have a strategy yet in Syria, the White House clarifying saying that's just in Syria, not in Iraq. But just yesterday the president's point man in Iraq told me that ISIS is a very serious threat to the homeland, whether ISIS in Iraq or Syria. Was this a stunning admission from the president?
[Gabbard:] Jim, a couple of weeks ago, I was talking with you on this show. Talking about mission and strategy. We've got to be very clear in what our mission is. Our mission is to take out these Islamic extremists, those who declared war on us, those who killed innocent Americans on 911. And those who our leaders said, we will seek them out and take them out wherever they are. So as we talk about strategy, good, first of all, to recognize that President Obama and his administration is now focusing and recognizing and remembering, actually, that ISIS is our enemy. ISIS, al Qaeda, whatever name they go by, they're our enemy and we have to execute a smart strategy to take them out. Give the Pentagon a little bit of room to figure out what the specifics of that strategy needs to be in Syria.
[Sciutto:] But let's get at the distinction the White House is making here. They said coming out of the president's comments that, listen, the president has a strategy for ISIS in Iraq. He hasn't worked out the strategy for ISIS in Syria. But the fact is ISIS straddles the borders of Iraq and Syria. In fact, that border is meaningless. They have a presence on both sides. They're killing people on both sides. They're taking over military bases. They are confiscating military equipment on both sides. How can it truly be a strategy to confront ISIS if the president and the administration is only focused on Iraq right now?
[Gabbard:] I agree with you in that there's really no border that needs to be considered when you're talking about this group called ISIS or al Qaeda or whatever they might be when they don't consider there is a border between Iraq and Syria. I think we should look at what has been working very well in Northern Iraq, in Kurdistan where we've got air strikes supporting very capable, courageous ground forces in the Peshmerga. We should be arming them still. They are not receiving the heavy weaponry and the support that they need to be able to take that offensive action and see how we can continue to do that. Tweaking the strategy where necessary based on the situation on the ground.
[Sciutto:] Let's look at the military strikes have had some success stopping ISIS'advance in Iraq, but hasn't pushed them back very much to be frank. But even if you do push them back a bit there, they still have a tremendous base of operations, home base in effect in Syria. Can the White House strategy truly damage and degrade ISIS as the president said tonight if it is only taking them on in Iraq and not in Syria?
[Gabbard:] No. We cannot. We can't think that this is about one country. That this is about Iraq or Syria. We've got to recognize that these Islamic extremists present a very direct threat, and we've got to have a comprehensive strategy to take them out wherever we are. Today we're talking about them being in Iraq and Syria. Tomorrow we could talk about them being in a completely different country or we can talk about another group of Islamic extremists that go by a different name, not ISIS, but really are that same threat to the United States that they are those same group of extremists that attacked us on 911. So as we look at this11, but unfortunately our mission at this time that was stated has been was lost. You know, I and a lot of other people enlisted in the army or enlisted in the military to join that fight then we were sent on missions of nation building and occupying other countries. That's been a distraction that's allowed these terrorist groups to strengthen themselves and we've got to get back to that. Remember, what ISIS our mission and come up with a smart strategy to execute that mission.
[Sciutto:] I know you had a very personal experience, the blood and treasure lost in Iraq serving a medical unit there. So few people know as well as you the danger of going in without a strategy.
[Gabbard:] And that point, Jim thank you, we can't highlight that point enough that we cannot afford to make these same mistakes that were made by the Bush administration and carried on by the Obama administration to continue to allow that loss in precious lives and American treasure.
[Sciutto:] Great to have you on. Thanks very much for your thoughts on this.
[Gabbard:] Thank you.
[Sciutto:] OUTFRONT next, new details tonight about a second American who died fighting for ISIS. Plus the next generation of Jihadis. A look at the young children being recruited and brain washed by the terror group. And President Obama blames Russia for violence in Ukraine, but why is the White House stopping short of calling Russia's advances an invasion?

[Banfield:] It's been a bad week, concedes the embattled prime minister of Iraq, but now and I'm going to quote him "We're on the rebound. " The government claims it has repelled an attack on Iraq's main oil refinery by the Sunni Islamist militants called ISIS, better known as Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Iraqi forces supposedly killed 40 of them 40 attackers at the Baiji site, about 140 miles north of Baghdad. And we also heard today from the president of neighboring Iran, who is vowing to safeguard the Shiite Muslim shrines in Iraq and, get this, at any cost. No more description on that. It's unclear whether Iranian revolutionary guard troops are on the way or already inside Iraq or even planned, although reports certainly do suggest so, and President Obama plans to call in the leaders of Congress this afternoon as he decides whether and how to help turn back the ISIS advance, which has been alarming. Ask anyone, they will suggest so. It does appear that the militant's momentum, though, has slowed, if not somewhat stalled, as fighters push out of Sunni-dominated northern Iraq and into the tougher lands, the Shia heartland. Our coverage begins this hour with my CNN colleague Arwa Damon who's in the northern Iraqi city of Erbil. And I'm also joined here in New York City by CNN military analyst and retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona. And from Washington, Ryan Cooper is the national correspondent for TheWeek.com and had some pretty interesting perspective on how all of this could go down without American shots being fired. Get to that in a moment. First, right in country with Arwa Damon, Arwa, let me just get to something that happened specifically today, and that was a bombing inside of Baghdad, which has alarmed a lot of people, perhaps many Baghdad residents not so surprised by that kind of thing. But what Nouri al-Maliki said in response to that attack, and here's the quote, "What happened was a catastrophe, but not every catastrophe is a defeat." So what exactly is he saying, that they are not only stabilizing but on the offensive, or that they can just withstand this kind of thing?
[Damon:] Well, that's effectively what the prime minister is at the very least trying to claim at this stage, that, yes, the ISIS offensive may have caught them by surprise, and, yes, it may have started out as a catastrophe, but now the Iraqi Security Forces are basically on the rebound from that. He was talking much before about the bigger picture of what's happening, seemingly trying to put forward a solid position, perhaps even ease the fears of so many of his citizens. But those words are not going to mean much unless the situation is brought under control, and that most certainly is not going to be achieved by mere military means. And the statements by the Iraqi government do need to be taken with a grain of salt. Despite regaining control over the oil refinery in Baiji, two employee tell CNN that there are still heavy clashes ongoing there, and that it is, in fact, under the control of is and the other Sunni groups here. A population in Iraq that has not really been spoken about, Ashleigh, have to say, Iraq's Christian minority, we just visited a small Christian enclave that is just 10 minutes away from the ISIS front line, outside of the city of Mosul, where this all began. Their shops are mostly closed. Their owners either fled or they haven't bothered to open because there's no business and no power. Citizens themselves have begun arming themselves, trying to conduct their own patrols to secure the town, because they don't believe anyone is going to come to their assistance at this stage, although they are also being protected by the Kurdish force, the Peshmerga. You have an entire nation at this stage, Ashleigh, that is living in complete and total fear of what the future may hold, a nation that has already been through so much violence.
[Banfield:] Arwa, stand by with that exact comment, I want to turn now to Colonel Francona with regard to this, because, Colonel, look, we've watched this very fast march towards Baghdad. And there are a lot of security analysts who say ISIS doesn't have any interest in controlling Baghdad; they just want to wreak havoc. They just want to pour guerrilla warfare throughout that city and make that place completely miserable.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn:] Good evening, everyone, I'm Christiane Amanpour, and welcome to a special edition of our program, where we take a look at some of the stories and conversations that we've had this year and that we thought were worth sharing with you again, including bringing you new developments. Now tonight, we want to talk about the rampant sexual abuse controversy that is the United States military, the crisis of sexual assault by commanders against men and women under their command. It is the war that no member of the U.S. military should ever have to fight. And there is an ongoing battle and a struggle for victims to get justice within the military chain of command. But is that really possible? About 3,000 acts of sexual violence were reported in 2012. But the Pentagon estimates that in reality there were more than 26,000 incidents. President Obama and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel are weighing in, vowing to enforce a no tolerance policy. But only one-fifth of sexual assault cases in the military actually make it to trial. And reporting an assault means dealing within the chain of command so the military superiors of assault victims have direct influence over the fate of their cases. Now New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand has proposed legislation to overhaul the way the military handles these sexual assault cases.
[Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand , New York:] It's a common sense change that I think brings justice and transparency to our system and our military and will make our military that much stronger. We have the greatest military in the world. We have men and women who are willing to sacrifice everything. We should not be asking them to sacrifice being subject to these crimes at the hands of their colleagues.
[Amanpour:] Now before Senator Gillibrand and other members of Congress intervened, I met one brave woman who's taking a stand to fight for justice in the military. She's Sergeant Jennifer Smith. She's an active duty member of the United States Air Force. She's filed a formal complaint charging sexual assault and harassment that she says went on for years. Since returning from the front lines in Iraq, she's been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. And all of this comes after a 17-year career during which she received numerous service awards. Her family has served in the military for generations. Sgt. Smith, welcome. Thanks for joining me.
[Sgt. Jennifer Smith, U.s. Air Force:] Thank you so much.
[Amanpour:] This is a horrendous situation and I'm sure it must really difficult to talk about. But can you tell me what happened to you? What kind of assault did you suffer?
[Smith:] Well, throughout my career, I've had a number of things that have happened. But the most traumatic thing that has happened to me was when I was in Iraq, in Balad. I was assaulted by an Army personnel. And he basically just grabbed me and threw me up against the wall. But that changed that was like the pinnacle that changed how I thought about some of the things that I had seen in the military prior. I kind of didn't tell anyone. I just came back, went to work the next day like nothing happened and buried it.
[Amanpour:] What made you speak out? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?
[Smith:] I think when I came back from Iraq, I was different. That time was very different, because it was so aggressive and it was so hostile. When I was one time we had some of our unit was deployed. So I had to do some reports for them and actually went out on a server. And I found some books out there that were, you know, obviously pornographic. And our servers are accessed by over 400 personnel within our unit. So
[Amanpour:] And I have here some of the evidence that you cite in your complaints over this. This is called the Combat Songbook. And to be very honest, it is I'm just showing the tame front cover that we've decided to make for the front cover. But it's got, you know, F- Songs, Trash Tunes, the lyrics are unprintable and certainly unspeakable on this program. And you're telling me that you found those on a government computer?
[Smith:] Yes, ma'am. I found them under a drive that I needed to access information to build reports from. So from there, I had talked to someone I was stationed with, a captain. We had gone to Iraq together and I trusted him. And I told him that I was actually assaulted. That was the first active duty person that I told that I was assaulted. And I asked him to tell the other pilots that I was assaulted; the reason I didn't come forward was because of stuff like this. I just didn't think it would be taken care of or taken seriously.
[Amanpour:] You know, when I was covering the first Gulf War, I was on an aircraft carrier and I was reporting on the pilots. And my colleagues had reported that before and after their sorties, they were indulging in reading pornography and other such things. And I had no idea that it was such a prevalent thing that exists to this day.
[Smith:] Yes, it still is. I mean, before we would set pilots in Iraq, they would play some graphic things.
[Amanpour:] Now some might say, well, men will be men. But you're saying that this created a culture in all the units.
[Smith:] Yes, ma'am. I think, while I can only speak to the fighter units that I've been attached to, a lot of even the female fighter pilots will partake in it and pretend it doesn't bother them when, in fact, you know, if you had said to me that it does and they just kind of have to go along, because you figure their training is so extensive that when you get to the point where you're actually at your jet, you know, you they don't want to come forward because they've already put all this time and effort into it. So they're not going to complain about something like that.
[Amanpour:] You're a 17-year veteran.
[Smith:] Yes, ma'am.
[Amanpour:] And you've decided to come forward with just a few years before you could have retired with full pay and benefits.
[Smith:] Yes, ma'am.
[Amanpour:] Why? And are you worried that this will jeopardize that?
[Smith:] I think that, hopefully, this will help further greater good. The reason that I came forward was because I my husband took me to a movie. He took me to see "The Invisible War." And my husband has been helping me through my PTSD for about two years now. He actually was one of the people who intervened and said, you really need to get some help, because it was really affecting our marriage.
[Amanpour:] Well, in "Invisible War," which we featured, we hear the most appalling tales; women in all branches of the military are interviewed. Some talk about being repeatedly drugged and raped. Some talk about waking up in the middle of the night and finding fellow servicemen on top of them. Some talk about their rooms being literally broken down, the doors to their rooms, to get in. Did you see that kind of stuff?
[Smith:] I saw some of that stuff. Some of that stuff happened to me. I've had people fall asleep on my doorstep, and I open the door and the guy falls in and I have to go find someone to take him away and
[Amanpour:] You heard Chuck Hagel, President Obama's nominee for Secretary of Defense, in his confirmation hearings. Among other things, he said, I will follow what Leon Panetta has done in trying to make this go away, this terrible crime of rape in the military. Do you believe that that can be done?
[Smith:] I'm not sure. I do hope that it can be eradicated, of course. But we've had zero tolerance and we've had different trainings and different types of talks about this type of thing since I have been in, for 17 years. So the problem is cultural. He's going to have to change the culture of at least the Air Force. That's really all I can speak to. But, yes.
[Amanpour:] The reaction from the military, from the Air Force, to whom we reached out for a response to your case, is that, "Sexual assault is a crime and it violates our core values. Every allegation will be thoroughly investigated and commanders will consider the full range of disciplinary and administrative measures." Is that true?
[Smith:] I don't believe well, in my case, it's not true. I first reported this these incidents I started in 2008. That's when I actually reported the first one. And there was nothing done other than I was moved to a different section.
[Amanpour:] Here's another incredible statistic that just blows my head off: 33 percent of women in the military who've been assaulted don't report it since their superior was a friend of the rapist. Twenty-five percent don't report it because their superior, the person to whom they should report, is the rapist.
[Smith:] I understand that. I actually used my chain of command. I did everything proper in reporting the most recent things as far as the items that I had found. I started at the lowest level of my chain and went all the way to the top. And they have been aware of it since the summer of 2012 and still have not taken any action.
[Amanpour:] Now in response to your claims and your and your and your complaint, the Secretary of the Air Force reached out to you. You spoke on the phone.
[Smith:] Yes. He called me it was a personal telephone call, I guess, or
[Amanpour:] Can you talk about it?
[Smith:] He just said that he was going to do the best that he could and he understood
[Amanpour:] Did you tell him the whole litany of what had happened when you talked with him?
[Smith:] I was so caught off guard by the fact that he called me and considering who he is and I know my place I was I said, "Yes, sir. Well, thank you for calling me."
[Amanpour:] Well, let me ask you. You say you know your place. Is this the problem with women in the military? Even now women have been, just in the last week, granted, you know, full combat roles now.
[Smith:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] But you're saying, "Yes, sir," and I feel that maybe there was a lot of that going on with women who were assaulted. Did you feel the pressure of being a second-class citizen in the military?
[Smith:] I don't think one of the things that we do pride ourselves in is respect, you know. And he is a senior ranking officer. Anyone appointed above me, I'm going to show them that respect. I'm not going to necessarily question, you know, what they say every single time. And for him to call me out of the blue like that, I that was it was shocking.
[Amanpour:] But you feel that there is at least a channel and at least they know your case?
[Smith:] They know the case. But as far as I'm concerned, nothing's been done.
[Amanpour:] So as I say, women are now getting more and more advances and opportunities in the military. They've now been told that they can go into full combat roles, although as we know, in places with no formal front lines, like Iraq and Afghanistan, you've been in combat.
[Smith:] Right. There's no longer trench warfare.
[Amanpour:] Exactly.
[Smith:] Right.
[Amanpour:] What would you say, though, to a young woman, to a daughter of your own, who might want to choose the military, any of the services, as their life choice, their career?
[Smith:] I think for that question, I look back to my father. My father was in Vietnam. He was in the Army. And I remember coming home when I was a junior in high school and saying, "Dad, I think I want to join the Army or the Marine Corps." And he said, "No, honey, we're going to take you down to the Air Force recruiter, because you'll be safe there." And when this happened and all this came out and he was one of the he also recognized my PTSD, that he's crushed by this, because he thought for sure that they would take care of his daughter, after what he had sacrificed.
[Amanpour:] Well, you're going to keep up the fight.
[Smith:] Absolutely.
[Amanpour:] And after a break, we'll hear about the personal battle scars that Sgt. Smith still carries from waging two wars, one against the enemy in Iraq, and the other, fighting sexual abuse and betrayal within her own ranks.

[Blackwell:] Have you seen these pictures? Before you look over, one is over my shoulder, but be warned they may make some of the kids uncomfortable. Texas cheerleader Kendal Jones hunts big game in Africa for sport. She has a public Facebook account shows her posing proudly with dead lions and elephants and leopards. But there are a lot of critics initially who responded with comments, calling her a monster. But she says she does it to conserve wildlife.
[Kosik:] Now, on the other side, a support page created was created and it got almost 80,000 likes. But a representative for Jones says Facebook just shut it down. CNN did invite Ms. Jones to the show. She declined. We also invited Safari Club International, but they declined, saying in part, quote, "We feel this is no longer a discussion on wildlife conservation but rather a personal attack on a teenager."
[Blackwell:] Nicole Paquette joins us from Washington. She's vice president of the Wildlife Protection for the Humane Society of the U.S. Nicole, does Ms. Jones' argument that shooting animals helps to conserve wildlife hold water?
[Nicole Paquette, Vice President, Wildlife Protection, Humane Society Of U.s:] Absolutely not. To kill an animal, to hunt and animal is simply unacceptable in this time. It's merely a thrill kill. If she was truly wanting to conserve these animals she would be ensuring that her money went to on the ground conservation efforts to help anti- poaching, as well as to help the communities that live in and around these areas.
[Kosik:] Nicole, let's listen to a sound from Safari club International. Does being a professional hunter make this anymore humane? Listen to this.
[Tim Gafford, President, Lubbock Chapter, Safari Club International:] You don't just go out and kill everything on site. When you go there, you have a professional hunter with you, and that professional hunter tells you when and what to do.
[Paquette:] Well, essentially, most of these people who go to Africa to kill animals are hiring a private company whose sole issue is to have more money in their pockets. They care more about providing a ready inventory of animals for foreign travelers to kill, like an elephant, like a buffalo, like a rhino. These animals are on the brink population decline due to habitat loss and illegal poaching. We should be making sure that our money that is spent over there is going towards these on the ground efforts.
[Blackwell:] So what about I mean, I understand the argument in many ways is that this is is sport. For some people, it's lifestyle. And this is more of an attack on them and their lifestyle by some, maybe not you, than a protection of the animals.
[Paquette:] Well, I mean, Ms. Jones actually went to a country, Zimbabwe, and she purported to kill, wanted to kill an elephant on Facebook. Now, it should be noted that just this year the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service actually stated and ended the import of elephants into this country due to the fact that there is lack of law enforcement on the ground and there is an increase in illegal poaching. Just last year over 300 elephants in Zimbabwe were poisoned to death. Therefore, the U.S. government actually stated that any kill of an animal, even if it's legal, is actually not sustainable, nor does it add to the it's not sustainable nor does it help the population that's on decline. And she went over there to kill an elephant. It's so shameful.
[Kosik:] Nicole, what are ways people can save wildlife?
[Paquette:] There's many ways. The Humane Society of the United States as well as our affiliate, Humane Society International, we are on the ground in various countries to actually stop the curve in illegal poaching of a rhino trade as well as the ivory trade. A, you can stop purchasing these products and don't contribute. But you also could do eco-tourism. I was lucky enough to actually go Africa. It was one of the best experiences of my life, and I shot those animals with a camera. And I and other people can go there and see those exact same animals generating revenue to come to help those animals on the ground.
[Kosik:] OK, Nicole, thanks for your time. And if you want we want to be clear that the offer to Ms. Jones to come on the show here is still open, and we would be happy to hear from her.
[Blackwell:] All right, a huge blow to team Brazil in the World Cup. Superstar Neymar goes down with a fractured spine. And Wimbledon has a winner. Results of latest final ahead.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] It is the bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. And I want to take you back now to just the painstaking search off of South Korea and the frigid Yellow Sea waters for bodies now in this deadly ferry disaster. The latest number we now have today, 159. That's the number of bodies that have now been pulled from this ferry. Still 143 people are missing. Training has become a major point of discussion in this ferry investigation. Were crew members properly prepared to handle an emergency such as this? We are now kind of getting an example of how to be on board a ship in this sort of crisis and what should happen when a ferry takes on water. CNN's Rosa Flores is here to walk us through some of this training in emergency situations like the one off of South Korea. So, Rosa, take it away.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] We're going to take you through this. We're at Resolve Maritime Academy at Ft. Lauderdale, Florida And this is what a bridge looks like. David Boldt will give us a sense as to what we're looking at.
[Dave Boldt, Resolve Maritime Academy:] A full mission bridge simulator. You have radars, control systems, control engines and everything you would see o the bridge of a ship.
[Flores:] Everything that you would need. Take a look at the horizon. Now we are exiting the port of Miami. You will be able to see, we will be out at sea and you can see an open body of water. And you can complicate things a little bit by adding, for example, large waves, and adding rain and thunderstorms, and then we also did something else. We got a rare view at another complication. So what if water starts rushing into the hull of a ship? Take a look. On a ship this is the universal sign of trouble. Inside this model ship hull, instructors from Resolve Maritime Academy train crews how to prevent a deadly disaster at sea, like the singeing of the passenger ferry in South Korea. Investigators say the nearly 7,000 ton ship sank in about two hours. 476 people were inside when a boy on board made the first call for help at 8:52 a.m. local time. The ship's crew made a distress call about three minutes later, at 8:55. The crew's response is critical to preventing disaster. In this scenario, water is rushing in from an unknown source. [on camera]: Water is starting to rise. What do you do?
[Pete Donlon, Trainer, Resolve Maritime Academy:] Get away from the damage. Make sure the crew knows about it.
[Flores:] They use anything they can to plug the holes. [on camera]: How much time do you really have to get out or to assess the situation when water starts really gushing in?
[Donlon:] It all depends on the scenario. The deeper the hole and water, the more water pressure is going to be pushing in.
[Flores:] If I'm a passenger that's on a ship and I'm not familiar with the ship, what do I do to get to safety?
[Donlon:] Best thing to get to safety is follow the walls, get outside. I always recommend getting to the main deck.
[Flores:] Now we know that the South Korean ship listed at about 60 degrees. Dave is going to do that. Let's started listing it slowly to give folks perspective. This is the perspective from the bridge. What would be going through your mind?
[Boldt:] If you list like this and you're not coming back you know something is wrong.
[Flores:] There is an issue you would be communicating with them. I want to give you another perspective from the passengers. Take a look at the second camera. You will be able to see what the 60 degree angle looks like. You can see the water a lot closer to the lifeboats and those balconies. I want to come back to Dave. One of the things that stands out to me is for a lot of professions there is continuing education. That's not the case for passengers.
[Boldt:] No. There are some safety courses you have to renew. In general, once you get your license, you're good. Some of the clients that we train with, some of the big cruise lines are starting to do that and taking it upon themselves to do recurring training. That's why this facility was built, for them to take recurrent training. So they have taken that lesson from aviation and started doing it.
[Flores:] And implementing it?
[Boldt:] Yeah.
[Flores:] So, Brooke, that's one of the big take-aways from here. Facilities like this were built so that these drills can be practiced and so that captains can be able to make the split-second decisions. And the cruise liners that are coming here are being proactive and having their crew members train to make sure that they can avert disaster.
[Baldwin:] That's good. They should be. Just talking to a woman who was on "Costa Concordia." She said so much needs to change in the training, and sadly it doesn't seem to be there. Rose Flores and Dave, thank you so much as well for that simulation. Rescue divers in dangerous situations like that can sometimes use remarkable technologies to help and find some survivors. CNN's Randi Kaye shows us what one high-tech tool can do to help.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] If you're wondering how robots might help search for passengers onboard the South Korean ferry, watch this. You're looking at a mini ROV, a remotely operated vehicle. When it comes to ship wrecks, this machine is a workhorse. It can stay under water for days at a time, maneuvering its way through openings humans don't fit or is too dangerous for them to go.
[Rhonda Moniz, Rov Pilot And Diving Expert:] So to go forward, you're going to use it. It's very, very intuitive. To back it up, you will back it up this way.
[Kaye:] Like a video game.
[Moniz:] It is. Exactly.
[Kaye:] Rhonda Moniz is an ROV pilot and diving expert. She works for Seabotics, which builds these ROVs. This robot is directed by an ROV pilot at the surface. It moves at two knots per hour. Even in murky water or at knight, these robots can see. They have lights and special low-visibility cameras. They have sonar, too, which can pick up images up to 400 feet away.
[Baldwin:] Randi Kaye, thank you so much. I want to take you next to Nepal, because when it comes to climbing or even summiting Everest, if you are one of the few that can do it, Sherpas may have the most important and crucial job o that mountain, but also the dangers are miles high. You wouldn't know though if you look at their paychecks. And a lot of clients and Sherpas find that deeply troubling.

[Cooper:] A 360 follow to a story we reported last night. The custody battle for a 9-year-old girl named Sonya. Before the age of 2, she went to live with a couple who eventually adopted her. They were the only parents that Sonya ever knew until January when a state judge ordered that she be returned to her biological father. Her adoptive parents, Dave and Kim Hodgin were forced to turn Sonya over to a man who was a stranger to her.
[Unidentified Male:] And Sonya is crying her eyes out, just screaming bloody murder. Saying please dad, don't make me go.
[Unidentified Female:] And she took her bags, that is the last time we've seen her.
[Cooper:] Here's what happened, Sonya's birth father, John McCaul, is a convicted criminal. Under Tennessee law, his parental rights will automatically terminated when he was sentenced to more than 10 years in prison. But his sentence was later reduced in a plea deal, allowing McCaul to re-assert those rights. So he fought Sonya's adoption and got it reversed. The last time the Hodgins spoke to Sonya was just after she was given to McCaul. Here is what she told them.
[Kim:] Tell me how bad is the house?
[Sonya:] Dirt everywhere. I think there's even mold. He didn't have no clean water.
[Kim:] No clean water, no drinking water.
[Sonya:] It's just so it's so dirty. There is dirt all over it. There's cigarettes everywhere.
[Kim:] Is he being nice to you?
[Sonya:] Yes.
[Cooper:] That recording she pointed out was made one day after she was taken. Now a hearing was held today before the same judge who granted John McCaul custody of Sonya. Randi Kaye joins us with that. So what happened?
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Investigative Correspondent:] It was a bad day, Anderson, bottom line for the Hodgins, the adoptive parents. They went to court for two things. They had filed a motion to try and get the judge to vacate the order which sent Sonya back to Nebraska to be with her biological father. So they wanted that order vacated and they also wanted visitation rights for Sonya. He rejected the order. He said that Sonya will remain in Nebraska at least for now with her biological dad. He did not rule on the visitation. He said he is going to review that. So it was a very emotional day for Kim and Dave Hodgin, very emotional for everybody really involved in this case. This is what, Dave Hodgin, the adoptive father had to say after court.
[Dave Hodgin, Sonya's Adoptive Father:] What has happened in this court today is devastating for Sonya. Sonya doesn't deserve the pain that this court and DCS has given her. And we will never stop. That is what they have appeals court for and beyond that. We'll never stop, ever, ever until we get our daughter safe back home in Dixon, Tennessee.
[Cooper:] The daughter does have a legal representative in the state who said that she wants to stay with her biological father. But the adoptive parents have not been able to talk to her so they don't believe it. What is the next step?
[Kaye:] The last call is the one we listened to from January 30th. The next step right after court today the family's attorneys appealed to the higher circuit court. They want a best hearing. They say the judge made the ruling and sent her back to the father. They want the ruling to happen in this higher court. One interesting note is the Nashville attorney who worked on helping re-tool Tennessee's adoption law. And he has come out and talked about this case and said the juvenile judge who ruled on the case should have had a best interest hearing for Sonya. He said this judge made an error in not having the best interest hearing. He said the law requires it. And so the Hodgins are listening to it and will make sure as far as they can that Sonya has that hearing.
[Cooper:] And the little girl really didn't know her biological father?
[Kaye:] No, she was 9 years old when it happened. She had been living with them for about seven or eight years. And had one phone call with her father that lasted 12 minutes. He had been in and out of prison and didn't really have a lot of time for her. But he did fight for her and got her back. But the child protective services has been defending his side and they spoke after court, as well, today.
[Rob Johnson, Spokesman For Dcs:] He has been as far as we can tell, a good father. He has fought for his daughter. He doesn't have a perfect record. He is not a boy scout. But he has done everything the state of Tennessee has asked.
[Kaye:] So both sides go back to court next month, juvenile court, to handle the motion that they were working on today. And then so far no date has been set yet for the higher court. The circuit court that will hear that appeal. And possibly hold that best interest hearing.
[Cooper:] Difficult case. Thank you very much, Randi. You're watching a number of other stories tonight as well Randi.
[Kaye:] I certainly am. We have a 360 follow now on the V.A. hospital scandal. Dr. Robert Petzel, the undersecretary of Health at the Department of Veterans Affairs has resigned a day after speaking at the hearing on patient care and wait times. Petzel was scheduled to retire sometime later this year. And 360 follow, this one from the Georgia, the body of Shirley Durman was found in the river. She was abducted two weeks ago, authorities believe, when her husband was beheaded in their home. And this is from the summer of 1937 at the Major League Baseball all- star game. The eight-second clip is from the archives. FDR was paralyzed by polio in 1921, and tried to hide his disability from the public. And it was Barbara Walters said farewell to "The View," ahead of her retirement from ABC news. She shattered the glass ceiling for female journalists and dozens of women reporters from Oprah to Joan London, they were all on hand to thank her. Barbara had this message for the audience.
[Barbara Walters:] From the bottom of my heart to all of you with whom I have worked and to all of you who have watched and been at my side for so many years, I can say thank you, thank you, thank you.
[Cooper:] Amazing career, we wish her the best.
[Kaye:] I don't think she is done yet.
[Cooper:] I have no doubt she is not done yet. Randi, thank you very much. Ahead tonight on AC360, my conversation with Anthony Bourdain, we'll preview his program, which this weekend, he looks at the food and traditions in the Mississippi Delta. Also ahead, I'll talk to journalist, Glenn Greenwald, about his new book, "The Behind The Scenes Look at Edward Snowden," going public that surveillance video from the NSA.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] President Obama will be in Charlotte, North Carolina, today to address the American Legion's national convention. The president is expected to comment on the sacrifices made by veterans. Tomorrow the Veterans Affairs Department is expected to release an internal investigation into patient care delays. Early reports indicate it will say there's no proof that any veterans died as a result of the long waits for care at the Phoenix V.A. hospital. As you'll recall, CNN first reported the problems in medical care at the V.A. hospital in Phoenix Former FBI Director Louie Freeh is in a New Hampshire hospital after he was seriously injured in a car accident. A police official tells CNN that Freeh underwent surgery for unspecified injuries. State police say his SUV went off the road and struck a mailbox before it landed in some bushes. Freeh was director of the FBI from September 1993 to June 2001.
[Aliysn Camerota, Cnn Guest Anchor:] All right. We'll keep an eye on that. Michaela, thanks so much. Meanwhile, Israeli air strikes showing no signs of letting up in Gaza. The latest Palestinian officials say killed nine and dozens more were wounded. This was in a blast that nearly leveled one of Gaza's tallest buildings. This as dozens of rockets were launched at Israel overnight, and there are reports that a new cease-fire deal could be close. CNN's Ben Wedeman is live in Jerusalem with the latest. Hi, Ben.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Hi, Alisyn. Yes, it could be close, but we've seen cease-fires come and go so far, and nobody is overly optimistic at this point. Apparently, the Egyptians are continuing to push their initiative. We've heard from Mousa Abu Marzuk who is a senior Hamas leader that the Egyptian initiative is acceptable to them, but at moment there are no Israeli negotiators in Cairo so it's difficult to see how it's going to move ahead until they get there. Now, regarding the situation in Gaza, you saw these two high rise buildings by Gaza standards, one of them 14 floors, almost completely leveled. This appears to be part of what is the Israeli version of shock and awe in Gaza. Instead of what we saw earlier in the conflict, individual homes or offices are being hit by missiles, now they are just taking down entire buildings where according in one instance the Israelis say there was a Hamas command and control complex. But our crew in Gaza said that in one of those high rises that was brought down, there are also offices, stores and residences as well that were destroyed overnight Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Ben Wedeman, thank you for that update from the location. Thank you. All right, meanwhile, next, there is new exclusive audio that we want to play for everyone that may shed light on Michael Brown's final moments, the sound of shots ringing out. You're going to hear it for yourself next, and we'll get reaction from Brown's uncle.
[Berman:] And "Breaking Bad" ends on a high note at the Emmys. We will show you all the highlights. You're going to want to see this.

[Costello:] This just into CNN. President Obama spoke with the Cuban president Raul Castro on Wednesday before President Obama left Washington on his way to Jamaica. Now, there's been talk about a possible informal meeting between the two today at a summit in Panama, but it looks they broke the ice a little earlier as the State Department considers removing Cuba from the U.S. list of state sponsored terrorism. Rosa Flores is in Panama City. So the two men are where you are. Do you think they'll meet in person?
[Flores:] They definitely will meet in person, Carol, and that's because at the Summit of the Americas all 35 heads of state mingle in these events. So they're definitely going to rub shoulders. We're expecting President Obama and President Castro to have that symbolic handshake at some point in time. But you're absolutely right, CNN learning from the White House that President Obama and President Castro actually had a conversation before President Obama left Washington on Wednesday. Let's keep in mind he traveled to Jamaica before coming here to Panama, but all eyes here at the Summit of the Americas awaiting not a phone call but an actual visual, Carol, when we're going to see both heads of state in the same room. Now, we do know that President excuse me, that Secretary Kerry met with his counterpart, and that of course is Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez, late yesterday for a bilateral meeting. And let me tell you something, a meeting of that level hadn't happened between both countries since 1958. So a lot of history here today, Carol, and we're going to be expecting that picture, that handshake, and we're going to bring it to you as soon as we see it.
[Costello:] All right. Rosa Flores, we appreciate it. Thanks so much. Tomorrow, Pope Francis will formally declare an extraordinary holy year. That hasn't happened since 1983. The holy year, which will start in December, is called the Jubilee of Mercy. As part of that mission of mercy, seven holy doors located in seven different cathedrals around the world will be opened to pilgrims of all faiths. I talked with one of the first cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, Cardinal Gerald Lacroix, who is Archbishop of Quebec. A celebration of faith in a year of jubilee. A Jubilee of Mercy as declared by Pope Francis. [on camera]: The Jubilee of Mercy. What does that mean to non- Catholics and Catholics alike?
[Cardinal Gerald Lacroix, Archbishop Of Quebecm:] Just saying the word mercy is a great gift. It's love that goes beyond what you see almost every day. It's love that includes forgiveness. It's love that goes all the way. And I think the world needs that today. Pope Francis giving us this holy year, this year of mercy, is like telling us Catholics, but the whole world, humanity, we need to go a step further and learn to love better. That's how God loves us.
[Costello:] Cardinal Gerald Lacroix, newly appointed by Pope Francis, is about to literally open the door to love, to redemption, in his church the Cathedral Basilica of Notre Dame in Quebec City. Behold the holy door, one of seven in the world. It's the gateway to salvation opened every 25 years or by the Pope's decree. [on camera]: I got to touch it. It was pretty amazing. Then I thought to myself, but this is just a door.
[Lacroix:] A door is a door. A window is a window. But it's also quite a symbol. A door is something that says come on in. We're open.
[Costello:] People of all faiths are welcome to come through this door?
[Lacroix:] Absolutely. You don't need a passport. You don't need a certificate of baptism or belonging to a church. I saw last year people come from every walks of faith, even people who don't believe, just to experience this. This is a sacred place. A church is a place that celebrates God's presence and it's meaningful to a lot of people.
[Costello:] The door itself weighs more than 1,000 pounds, symbolic of a heavy burden. Once the door is opened, it's an invitation to a new beginning. Pass through it and your sins are absolved like Maria Garza's. She passed through the door last year when it was opened to celebrate the church's 350-year anniversary. [on camera]: Tell me about your life before you decided to walk through the door.
[Maria Garza, Walked Through Holy Door:] I had experienced the loss of my husband. I was living a very sad moment in my life. Basically I had no life. When I came to Quebec and I learned about the holy door, I decided to cross it. I had the hope. I am a believer. I kneeled down. I prayed a little. I pushed the door, very heavy door, and it reminded me of all of the heaviness I was leaving behind. I closed the door and I cried. It was a beautiful moment. Just recalling, I get very emotional. It was a moment of rebirth. I felt that I was being born again. And I just said, God, take me. I'm yours. Just tell me what I should do in my life to serve you better. I began to sing again, and I my life is full of joy and hope.
[Costello:] As Jesus said, I'm the door of the sheep. Come through me. Cardinal Lacroix will make that physically possible when he opens the door on December 8th. God, he says, will take care of the rest. And you are welcome to travel to Quebec City to the Basilica of Notre Dame and go through that door yourself. People of all faiths are welcome. And as the Cardinal said, even atheists can pass through and they will be welcome. The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM after a break.

[Berman:] More breaking news as the scramble to locate any survivors from that small plane got underway off the coast in Jamaica, another aviation story hit. We got word that a charter airliner filled with American military contractors leaving Afghanistan have been forced to land in southern Iran. Now, at the time, we neither knew how things would unfold nor where they might lead, now we do. And Tom Foreman joins us with the very latest. Tom, lay exactly what happened here?
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] John, this was a strange story. The plane was taking off here from Bagram air base in Afghanistan to fly down here over the tip of Pakistan across Iran to land in Dubai. Chief problem, it took off three hours too late, and that became a problem when it hit the air space down here going into Iran because the Iranians at that point said this is too late. You're outside of your flight plan window. You must turn around and go back and the pilot of this chartered plane with these 100 American contractors on board said I don't have to fuel to do that. So Iran said your choice is you land here at Bandar Abbas or we will force you down, John.
[Berman:] So it's on the ground in Iran, not where it wants to be, Tom. What then?
[Foreman:] Then what happens is the officials from Dubai air, which operate this charter basically start having a meeting with the Iranians and explaining what's going on. The Iranians come on board. They look over the plane. They check out apparently, the people on board, I'm sure, the plane itself to make sure they are satisfied that there is nothing wrong with what they were dealing with there. And after they were satisfied with all of that, then they said this plane can go on, John.
[Berman:] All right. We know it took off a short time ago. Do we know if it's finally made it out of Iranian air space or back to Dubai?
[Foreman:] Yes. We know that it actually finally was able to take off. They had to get a new crew, because the new crew was involved so long they couldn't keep flying. So that took a little bit more of the delay. But once they get the people in, the plane took off at 6:45 p.m. eastern time. And yes, I think we can bring up right now the message that came out of the state department short while ago saying yes, in fact, it has landed in Dubai about 8:00 eastern time and no doubt, everybody on board is relieved and answering a lot of questions about precisely what happened with the Iranians. A pretty tense moment for awhile there, John, that ultimately seems to have ended out OK.
[Berman:] The end of an unexpected odyssey to be sure, Tom Foreman, thank you so much. President Obama arrives home tonight after an especially high stakes moment on the global stage with Russia threatening Ukraine and ISIS on a bloody tear through Iraq and Syria. The president had a two-fold mission at the NATO meeting in wails. Rally his fellow leaders to meet those challenges and also clear up confusion in some corners and outright doubt in others about his policy confronting ISIS. Joining us now from Wales, Jim Acosta who has been traveling with the president. Jim, this seemed to be tougher talk than we've heard from the president lately on the issue of ISIS. This wasn't about making ISIS a manageable problem.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] That's right, John. This was a different President Obama on this final day of the NATO summit. You recall last week the President got in a lot of hot water, not only with Republicans but with Democrats when he said he didn't have a plan for dealing with ISIS and Syria. And as you mentioned earlier this week, he said he wanted to reduce the ISIS threat to a quote "manageable problem." He was much tougher on the ISIS threat earlier today. Here is what he had to say.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We are going to degrade and ultimately defeat ISIL the same way we have gone after al-Qaeda, in the same way that we have gone after the al-Qaeda affiliate in Somalia. You can't contain an organization that is running roughshod to that much territory causing that much havoc displacing that many people, killing that many innocents and slaving that many women. The goal has to be to dismantle them.
[Acosta:] And the president cautioned that this effort will take some time and even secretary of state John Kerry added at a session earlier today that the effort could take years, John.
[Berman:] And he said that this effort will take a coalition and accordingly, Jim, he announced a coalition, a core coalition of allies to fight ISIS. What more can you tell us about that?
[Acosta:] That's right. It's a coalition of ten countries at this point, ten including the United States. These countries will be doing different things based on their varying capabilities and appetite for direct military action in Iraq and potentially Syria. But secretary of state John Kerry and top administration officials like defense secretary Chuck Hagel and the counterterrorism advisor, Lisa Monaco, they will be going to the Middle East in the coming days to start lining up some air partners for this coalition and say an effort and endeavor that the president thinks will be successful and ultimately help this mission have credibility on the world stage.
[Berman:] This administration, Jim, does still seem to be conscious or aware or under the belief that many people in the United States are war weary. So how did administration today address that feeling?
[Acosta:] That's right. Well, we heard the president say during his press conference which by the way only lasted 24 minutes, he was out of here quickly, that there will be no boots on the ground. There will not be a ground combat role for forces, U.S. forces, in Iraq or potentially Syria. And then secretary of state John Kerry had interesting comments at a NATO session earlier today during which he said that would be a red line for the United States in terms of having combat troops on the ground in Iraq and potentially Syria. Of course, that term red line is not one that the White House would use because President Obama's red lines have been crossed in the past, but it does under line just how serious the president is taking this pledge of having to combat troops on the ground.
[Berman:] Jim Acosta in Wales for us. Thanks so much, Jim.
[Acosta:] You bet.
[Berman:] We will have much more on this story and others at CNN.com. Just ahead, the exact cause of Joan Rivers' death still a mystery. Tonight, the latest on the investigations that her passing has triggered.
[Unidentified Female:] This is the egg arrival. The arrival. She was incubating is what she told us.
[Unidentified Male:] What do you say about this?
[Joan Rivers, Comedian:] I'm not going to say anything nasty. She came in an egg and some people will do anything to not have to speak to Ryan Seacrest. I have to do a full disclosure here because I was supposed to be one of the people, seriously, they asked me to walk around in the entourage and hold the thing but I got fired when I raised my hand after the first meeting. I said is it just me or am I the only one that thinks this is [bleep]?

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight, live, Hope Mills, North Carolina. A little girl last seen walking down the street to her friend`s house, she`s gone. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, human remains have just been found. Are these remains the missing girl, Danielle Locklear?
[Unidentified Male:] Missing teen, 15-year-old Danielle Locklear.
[Unidentified Female:] Is there a deputy that`s close by with a pair of binoculars
[Unidentified Male:] The body of a young female found floating in the South River. Taken to the state medical examiner`s office so it can be identified.
[Grace:] And a 23-year-old co-ed in the middle of a live Web chat with her long-distance boyfriend when she`s brutally murdered as the boyfriend looks on in horror, helplessly watching the whole thing go down, long- distance Webcam.
[Unidentified Male:] Liu was chatting on Webcam with her ex-boyfriend when someone came into her room and attacked her. It was dubbed the Webcam murder. Murdered while she was chatting on her Webcam.
[Unidentified Female:] Liu`s partially clothed body was found in her basement apartment near the school. The friend saw a white male struggle with Liu in her apartment.
[Grace:] And Cajun country. He gets elected because he claims to be an honest, no-nonsense, deeply religious Christian, a married father of five. But tonight, caught on camera. Grainy surveillance video obtained by "The Ouachita Citizen," Louisiana Rep Vance McAllister intentionally cuts the lights off so his office security cameras won`t catch him in a sexy clinch with a much younger staff member. But guess what, McAllister? Security cams come with infrared these days. Hello? You`re busted!
[Rep. Vance Mcallister , Louisiana:] You can count on me to take those values to Washington.
[Unidentified Female:] U.S. Representative Vance McAllister of Louisiana, a married man with five children, caught canoodling with a woman who is not his wife inside McAllister`s office, a compromising image for a Southern Republican who ran on family values.
[Grace:] And tonight, Olympic superstar Oscar Pistorius AKA "Blade Runner" shoots to fame, breaking world records running on prosthetics, guns down his girlfriend, claiming he thought she was an intruder. After much vomiting and crying in court, in the last hours, Olympic hero Oscar Pistorius on the stand.
[Oscar Pistorius, On Trial For Murder:] That`s the moment that everything changed.
[Unidentified Female:] For the first time, Oscar Pistorius recounting the night he shot and killed Reeva Steenkamp.
[Pistorius:] I found the door open. I threw it open, and I sat over Reeva and I cried
[Grace:] And Oklahoma, a police officer attacked from behind by a scissors-wielding maniac. We have the video.
[Unidentified Male:] You won`t believe what you`ll see. A police officer pulls over an SUV for a routine traffic stop, when suddenly, Jessica Lugo, a woman he`s never met, approaches him from behind and starts stabbing the officer in the back. And it`s all captured by the dashboard camera of his police vehicle.
[Grace:] Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Hope Mills, North Carolina, a little girl last seen walking down the street to her friend`s house, gone. In the last hours, human remains have been found. Is it missing girl Danielle Locklear. Joining me right now, Dan O`Donnell with Newstalk WISN. Dan, what do we know? Where were the remains found?
[Dan O`donnell, Wisn:] The remains were found in this river near a bridge, Nancy, roughly 24 miles from the home from which Danielle disappeared a little less than a month ago.
[Grace:] You are seeing a shot of Danielle and the map we`ve created for you to get some type of a visual of what we`re talking about. The tip line, 910-425-4103. We are learning human remains have been found. Are they missing girl Danielle Locklear? Dan, if you would, take me through her going missing.
[O`donnell:] Well, on March 11th, she told her grandfather, whom she was living with, that she was going to go to a friend`s house in the same neighborhood where that grandfather lived to retrieve some sort of item. It appears she never made it there. The next day, the grandfather called police. She was missing. That was almost a month ago. She has not been seen since. About two days after she disappeared, a couple of her items of clothing were found in a nearby RV park. But so far in a month, Nancy, that is the only trace of her that`s been found.
[Grace:] Dan O`Donnell joining me. Dan, we knew that some of her clothing had been found in an RV camp. We thought it was some of her clothing. How far is that RV camp from the spot where these human remains have been found?
[O`donnell:] As I understand it, it is roughly 20 to 24 miles. The RV park campground area was an area that Danielle and her friends...
[Grace:] Right.
[O`donnell:] ... would apparently go often. It`s a popular hangout in North Carolina.
[Grace:] Right. And so how far...
[O`donnell:] And this body was found nearby.
[Grace:] ... did you say it was the the body from the RV camp? That`s my question. How far?
[O`donnell:] I believe 20 miles, roughly.
[Grace:] That`s quite a good ways. Everyone, human remains, as we go to air, have been found. And we have reason to believe it may be missing girl Danielle Locklear. You`re seeing video of her we just obtained from YouTube. Danielle Locklear with her grandfather, tells her grandpa, I`m going right down the street to get my stuff from a friend`s house. She never comes back, immediately reported missing. We`ve been trying to help find Danielle now for several weeks. We have just learned human remains have been found. But they`re a full 20 miles away. But are they the remains of the missing girl, Danielle Locklear? Joining me right now, a special guest, is Danielle`s grandmother. Phyllis Fowler is with us from Hope Mills. Ms. Fowler, thank you for being with us. What are police telling you about these remains?
[Phyllis Fowler, Danielle`s Grandmother:] The only thing that we know is that it is just still a big waiting game. We had hoped for some finality yesterday. But sometimes, things just take longer than we anticipate. And I`m not sure if it`s a good thing or a bad thing at this point.
[Grace:] Everyone, our prayers and hopes going out to the family of Danielle Locklear. Her grandmother, Phyllis Fowler, joining us. Tip line take a look at this girl 910-425-4103. It is a waiting game. As we stand by on the ready, we`ll find out the latest on any type of confirmation, we`ll let you know. When we come back, a 23-year-old co-ed brutally murdered as her boyfriend looks on in horror, helplessly watching the whole thing go down on long-distance Webcam.
[Unidentified Female:] The chat was interrupted by a knock at the door.
[Unidentified Male:] Opened the door to a male.
[Unidentified Female:] Liu was in trouble, but it was already too late.
[Grace:] And then later, a police officer attacked from behind.

[Baldwin:] If you are packing up to head off to college, or your child is, you probably just got a bill for fall tuition fees. Did you faint? Last night in Missouri, President Obama said he is looking for a solution.
[President Barack Obama:] I asked my team to shake the trees all across the country for some of the best ideas out there for keeping college costs down.
[Baldwin:] Well, a lot of parents are out there shaking the trees as well. CNN's Christine Romans has the bottom line on the rising cost of college.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Anchor:] Brooke, nothing in American life has risen so quickly as the price of college. Two-thirds of college graduates have loan debt in average of $26,000 each. Those huge, huge numbers not lost on the country's most famous student loan recipient.
[Obama:] We'll never have enough loan money. We'll never have enough grant money to keep up with costs that are going up five, six, seven percent a year. We've got to get more out of what we pay for.
[Romans:] Costs up, job prospects down. Thirty-six percent of recent grads are working in jobs that do not require a college degree. It can't go on. Americans can't just keep borrowing more money to pay for something that isn't returning more on the investment. Already, behavior is changing. Parents are shelling out less of their own money for a kid's college tuition. Students rely now on grants and scholarships for 30 percent of their college cost, but have to find or borrow money for the rest. So a stunning 67 percent of families are crossing off schools from their wish list because they cost too much. More students are living at home in college to save money. Even in families with earnings of a hundred grand and higher, even in high-income households, 48 percent live at home while in college. Five years in college to find yourself, Brooke, that was the bubble. Those days are over. A college degree still critical, the unemployment rates are super low in engineering, physical therapy, accounting, technology fields, all kinds of places. That's why finding ways to make college more affordable in the first place is so imperative. Brooke?
[Baldwin:] Christine, thank you. Now some of the hottest stories in a flash, "Rapid Fire." Roll it. Closing arguments in the Bradley Manning trial under way today. You know the story, Manning accused of disclosing information to Wikileaks in the largest leak of classified documents in U.S. history. The 25-year-old soldier was court-martialed more than three years ago. If convicted of the most serious charge, aiding the enemy, he faces life in prison. And for the very first time in at least 20 years, Consumer Reports has named an American car as best new sedan. Drum roll. The honor goes to the newly redesigned Chevrolet Impala. That's a huge turnaround for the Impala, which for years has scored at the bottom in testing by Consumer Reports. And the tape you have to see yourself. Watch the trooper. Semi truck sideswipes this Wisconsin state trooper's car during a traffic stop nearly hitting the trooper. Trooper just pulled someone over for speeding, he was heading back to his cruiser. When you see it, again, the 18-wheeler comes screaming by, actually rips off part of the front end of the cruiser. The driver was cited for the crash. Now this, Lance Armstrong denied rumors that he was doping for years and years. He has since come clean, faces this huge lawsuit from his sponsor. But you know what he's saying now? He's saying he should not pay up. His reason? They should have known he wasn't playing by the rules. We're on the case next.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] A little bit of sunshine wherever you are, we're glad you're here. I'm Christi Paul.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] I'm Victor Blackwell. It's 10:00 here on the east coast, 7:00 out west. You are in the CNN Newsroom. And we begin with breaking news. A drone strike has killed 15 people, 12 of them Al Qaeda suspects and three civilians. This happened in central Yemen.
[Paul:] This is a stronghold of the extremist group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. And officials in Yemen say three of the people killed were senior members of that group. The terror suspects were traveling in a vehicle, and the three civilians were apparently in another car. But just recently, this chilling video that you're looking at here of Al Qaeda fighters meeting with their leader in this region surfaced on the Internet.
[Blackwell:] Let's talk more about the drone strikes. CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen joins us, he's on the phone. Peter, put this strike into context for us and talk about the importance. And is there anything that you know or you can tell about the, let's see, the three senior members killed in this attack?
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] We don't know who those people were, and we may not know for some period of time. In terms of the kind of the context here, President Obama has authorized around 100 drone and cruise missile strikes since he assumed office. There was only one drone strike in Yemen in the two presidential George W. Bush terms. So it really shows the focus used to be on Pakistan and Al Qaeda members there. The focus has largely shifted to Yemen. We're not seeing any drone strikes in Pakistan over the last several months, whereas we've seen eight drone strikes in Yemen since the beginning of the year, Victor.
[Paul:] So, Peter, could this strike have been tied to the video that surfaced recently?
[Bergen:] You know, I think that's very hard to tell. You know, we don't know for sure where the video was taken. Barbara Shaw, who broke the story, has been told it may well have been in an area not far from where this strike has happened but not exactly the same province where this strike took place. So there may just be that just may be a coincidence.
[Blackwell:] Let's talk more about the video and the potential implication for the U.S. I mean, does this indicate that there is a new round of attacks, or at least plotting for a new round of attacks by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula by the U.S.?
[Bergen:] The Obama administration position is before they can take a drone strike, they have to assess that the principal target of the strike is somebody who is posing some kind of imminent threat to the United States. Imminent threat doesn't mean that, necessarily, according to the Obama administration, that somebody is, you know, dispatching a bomber tomorrow. It means that that person has plotted against an American target in the past and is continuing to do so, and there's no good reason to believe he stopped doing so. So any of these any one of the strikes we've seen this year, at least theoretically should be targeting somebody who poses some kind of imminent threat to the United States as the Obama administration defines it.
[Paul:] Now, Peter, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read, the U.S. is the only country known to have conducted, you know, drone strikes in Yemen. And if that is true, how is that received by leaders there?
[Bergen:] Well, in Pakistan, where there's been, you know, hundreds of drone strikes, it's extremely unpopular. I think in Yemen, the situation is a little bit different. The present prime minister of Yemen, Prime Minister Basindawa, has actually talked to the "Washington Post" and appeared at the United Nations and actually defended the drone program, which is pretty unusual, because you don't hear a lot of defenders in countries where these programs are happening. So I think in Yemen, it's a more mixed picture. But certainly, if you kill civilians, as happened in this strike, you know, that's going to generate resentment. You know, the Obama administration, you know, the position is they will go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, but we do see civilian casualties continuing.
[Paul:] Yes, Peter Bergen, thank you so much. We appreciate you being here.
[Blackwell:] Thank you, Peter. Well, rescuers are desperately trying to find possible survivors in South Korea's ferry catastrophe.
[Paul:] Here's what we know this hour. The death toll has really been climbing all morning. Right now the number we're getting is 33, and it could go much higher. And 269 people are still missing, and many of them are students who went to the same high school and were on a field trip to a resort island when that vessel capsized.
[Blackwell:] Hundreds of their parents have gathered on the island where they're watching the search for their children on these two huge video screens. They're also giving DNA samples to help identify anyone who's found. Some survivors say people on the vessel were told not to move for their own safety. And that sparked a lot of anger, lots of questions, also, with so many people missing now.
[Paul:] The captain says that he feared passengers would be swept away in the rough waters, and that was his reasoning for giving that order. He and his third mate and a crew technician all made it off that ferry, and now, of course, are facing charges.
[Blackwell:] Prosecutors say the captain was not at the helm when the ship capsized. Both he and his third mate have been speaking out.
[Paul:] Let's bring in CNN's Paula Hancocks, who's in South Korea there. So, Paula, tell us about the latest on the investigation and what both the captain and this third mate are saying.
[Paula Hancocks, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Christi, there are five charges against the captain, including negligence, abandoning boats, and causing bodily injury. If he's found guilty of all of those charges, all five of them, he could face anywhere from five years to life imprisonment. Remember, he wasn't at the helm at the time of this accident. He said he wasn't even in the steering room. We do know the third mate was in charge of the ship, and she has been charged with three charges, including causing injuries leading to deaths. The captain himself, though, has tried to justify not telling people to abandon ship whilst it was sinking, saying, as you were saying, he was concerned people would be swept away. He said there were no rescue boats, there were no fishing boats or other boats nearby, so he didn't feel he could tell them to abandon ship. Of course, he, himself, was rescued, and he did get off the ship along with the third mate. Christi and Victor?
[Blackwell:] Paula, I understand you got a good look at the search effort today?
[Hancocks:] That's right. We got within a couple hundred feet from the area where the sunken ferry actually is. Now, all you can see on the surface of the water at this point is two large inflatables, which mark where the ferry is. Otherwise, you would have no idea that a 6,800-ton ferry was beneath you. You can't see anything. They are very murky waters and we know the ship is sinking. Now there a hive of activity when it comes to the diving. We saw a number of boats with divers on board, desperately trying to get inside the submerged ship at this point. They got to the third floor, we understand, and as the death toll is rising, clearly they are managing to recover some bodies. They're not finding survivors at this point. We also saw four cranes, those large inflatable cranes at the area. They're not being used at this point, even though some divers say it is time to use them, because it's too difficult to get to the ship itself.
[Unidentified Male:] We need cranes. If they could raise the ferry a little, the depth of the water would be reduced so we could conduct rescue operations easily and quickly. It is 35 to 40 meters deep. It will be hard to take them out even if there are survivors in the ferry.
[Hancocks:] Of course, this is a very difficult decision to make, and officials say they will make this decision with the families' consent, because the assumption is, once you start moving the ship, that any air pockets that potentially could be inside could be disturbed. So, of course, once the cranes get involved, the question is, does it stop becoming a search and rescue operation and does it just become a search and salvage operation?
[Paul:] We can see, Paula, behind you, the sun is down, it's night. What does that mean for the investigation and how are conditions right now?
[Hancocks:] Well, this is the fourth night in a row now that the many families behind me are basically sitting beside of the water looking out, wondering what is going to happen. Now, of course, the investigation is ongoing. They're trying to find out exactly why this has happened. The police have told CNN that they are looking into why there was this turn by the ship. Of course, we heard from eyewitnesses, they heard a loud bang. But whether or not they actually hit something is being questioned by officials. They say there is a low possibility that they actually hit a rock. The captain himself says that there wasn't a deviation from course. He had planned the route before he left the steering room. So there really are a lot of loose ends to tie up. And the investigation is in its very early stages. And of course, it is going alongside the search and rescue operation, which, in the public eye, is definitely taking precedence at this point.
[Blackwell:] All right, Paula Hancocks there for you in South Korea. Paula, thank you.
[Paul:] Meanwhile, the deep-sea search for flight 370 is intensifying as officials reveal when they expect the current phase of the underwater hunt is going to wrap up. We essentially have a timeline now.
[Blackwell:] You know the Bluefin-21 has provided detailed images of the seafloor never seen by human eyes, so we're seeing a new part of the world. But what about evidence of the missing jet?

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. This morning, authorities are still piecing together what made an Army specialist open fire at Fort Hood on his fighting brothers. But, once again, mental health is being mentioned as a factor, and rightly so. Joining us now is Dr. Michael Welner. He's a forensic psychiatrist. He testified yesterday in front of Congress about Representative Tim Murphy's mental health overhaul. It's great to have you, doc, as always. We had the representative on making the case for the bill. He says now is the time. Even though there's no silver lining in a tragedy like this, the timing does come when you're holding the hearing for this bill. You say we need change. What change do we need and why?
[Dr. Michael Welner, Forensic Psychiatrist:] Sure. Sure. I think part of what's happening in over the course of a number of months, and this really started and came into focus with the Newtown catastrophe, is that there's some element of psychiatry and mental health crisis mental health. It's independent of diagnosis because it may relate to someone who has a personality disorder, who's got a character disorder. What is a crisis? It's a person who contemplates violence, like the person at Fort Hood. But it's also the person who's a repeated batterer. If you're a battered woman, you know that if your husband were to go in front of a mental health professional, he could give the appearance of not being dangerous. He could give the appearance for which services would not be committed or put upon him, but he'll never get help. So when you have a batterer and you have an abuser and you have someone with a substance abuse problem who's dragging an entire family down the drain and you have someone with command hallucinations who keeps them silent and someone who's contemplating violence, our threshold in the law that says you have to be a danger to yourself or others, it binds mental health professionals. And it's not something that relates to people with psychiatric illness per say, but it relates to those who have no insight into their problems, who deny that they have a problem and who are so destructive to the people around them. So you can build it, you can have a great mental health system, but if you have people who reject it and who say psychiatry, stay away from me, I'm going to create a crack that I will crawl into, you have to have a system of crisis psychiatry. I think Congressman Murphy's bill is so groundbreaking and has such great foresight to tackle this kind of problem, which relates to Fort Hood because he saw what he was going to do and he made sure nobody found out about it until it was done.
[Cuomo:] So you're not surprised the review a month before by a psychiatrist revealed that he wasn't a danger to any you're not surprised to hear this psychiatrist interviewed him a month ago and said, he's not a threat?
[Welner:] I'm not surprised. You know what's most compelling to me about this story, hearing it, is that his wife apparently didn't see it coming. We're used to talking about people who are isolated and not connected. So he here he had a wife and he had a small child. He had the selfishness let's make this clear he had the selfishness to burden his little girl for the rest of her life with everybody knowing, your daddy killed all the people around him. And so he made an incredibly unusual and selfish choice, and yet his wife didn't see it coming. So he was able to keep his own counsel, it mattered that much to him, which to me goes to the heart of the motive and that will be a very important thing to get to because because for a person who's suffering and really declining with PTSD, with depression, what I'm picking up from what the military is saying is, his mental illness was ambiguous. Was it a character disorder, that he might have been on the cusp of being discharged and losing his military career? Because PTSD is so dramatic. And we have a legacy of many wars and PTSD. We don't see veterans cannibalizing each other. So what's different about this person's illness, whatever it is? And so the ambiguity of his illness relates very much to the privacy of his motive and his agenda for being destructive.
[Cuomo:] Now, unlike the situation that we hear now, if you take the wife at her word, is that ordinarily you have a family and they're like, oh, this this kid, this person, they're a problem, they're going to do something but we can't get them any help. There are no services. We can't force them to get help. And or you'll have an institution saying, well, we can't really tell anybody about the treatment we just gave this person because of the HIPAA laws, the privacy laws. You're saying, both of those situations need to change and this bill can do that. Why do they need to change?
[Welner:] Absolutely. Absolutely.
[Cuomo:] Because the pushback is you're well aware of this but for you at home the pushback is, you can't force me to have treatment. First of all, it violates my rights and it will have a chilling effect on me wanting to seek treatment if I think I might be forced into it. And privacy is so important. You can't disclose my information, you may burden my job, you may burden my life. You say that it still needs to change.
[Welner:] I think we need to see this as crisis psychiatry and not psychiatry. Crisis is different. National security crisis is different. A fire is different. A medical crisis is different and a psychiatric crisis is different. The idea that a person is not going to seek treatment if they're put in a situation where they're ordered by a court to say, you have to get treatment, the reason it got that place in the first the reason it got there in the first place is because we were dealing with someone who was never going to get treatment. And again I would ask you, if we had the ability to take a person who was sitting in his room all day and doing nothing but sitting on a computer and not bothering anybody and with a lot of violent fantasies but no violent history and not hallucinating, would we force that person into treatment? Maybe not. But if his mother came to us and said, I'm Nancy Lanza and I think that my son is very disturbed and I'm frightened and this is what I see, would a bill like this, like what Murphy is doing, enable us to say, look, you need to go into treatment because we see something coming. There's a crisis there. That is what this bill is meant to do.
[Cuomo:] And you believe it's ethical and fair?
[Welner:] I think that when a crisis situation happens, we have to manage it exceptionally. And and, if family is expected to pick up the pieces when someone falls apart. When someone is in the hospital and they're discharged very quickly because of length of stay requirements, family deserves to get some guidance from the clinician, hey, here is what you can do to help keep your loved one stitched together. And for those who are concerned about your their privacy, hey, obviously I respect it. I'm a physician and I have to respect that as well. But, at the same time, if your caregivers support you, pay for you, pick up the pieces, you have responsibilities to your illness and denial is not one of them. Denial never solved substance abuse and those substance abuse specialists recognize that you have to massively confront the denial. And denial never solved cancer. Denial never solved medical illnesses. I think we have to look at psychiatry in the same way, but we look at it differently because sometimes a crisis generates into a public safety issue and that's what makes psychiatry different from other medical specialties. You can't let the illness run the treatment. When you let the illness run the treatment, you get Adam Lanzas. Maybe this person fits into that. You get the mother who drives her car into the ocean with the babies who was just discharged and the sister can't find out information and of course she cares and of course she's picking up the pieces. This is why absolutely rights, but public safety defines the barrier. We've already established that with terrorism. There is no reason why, when we lose more people in a Newtown than we do in a terrorist attack, that we should not look at crisis psychiatry as a homeland security issue. I think Congressman Murphy's bill is brilliant. I think your viewers should call their congressmen and say, you must support this bill, 3717, because we actually have a chance to change something and make it different so we can go back to talking about the budget on the morning news.
[Cuomo:] And you're not saying it as a politician, you're saying it as a clinician, a physician and a psychiatrist who understands the system and you're behind it. That's why we're covering it, because we want to make sure that we do everything we can to not keep repeating this cycle.
[Welner:] Absolutely. I've read this bill. I've contributed to parts of it. I've been critical of how it needs to be refined. This is a bill that's been put together by someone who's not just a congressman, but a psychologist. And so it's had a tremendous amount of mental health sensitivity and patient centeredness. People need services. They're not always going to come to psychiatry to get them. We need to bring the services and integrate law enforcement and corrections because so many people who need mental health services are in jails.
[Cuomo:] We're going to watch the bill. We'll see what happens with the debate. Thank you so much, doctor.
[Welner:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Appreciate it. And thank you for testifying.
[Welner:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Kate.
[Bolduan:] Turn now to this week's CNN's hero. California's Chula County supplies some of the nation's largest grocery chains. But many of the people who work the crops can't always afford the food around them. Sarah Ramirez found a way to change that. Take a look.
[Sarah Ramirez, Cnn Hero Of The Week:] Pixley is a small community located in the central part of California. We are in this agriculturally rich area and yet people who live here and work here are hungry, are impoverished. Some are working in the fields that feed the entire country and then they don't have resources to put them in their homes. It's heartbreaking. What we do is we glean mostly from backyards. Today we're looking at a glean of about 6,400 pounds. That's incredible. Looking at these issues of poverty and obesity, we were trying to figure out how do we provide our resources for our community and our home? We also have a component in our garden that's a "you pick" area. If your household needs some fruits and vegetables. We really try to teach how to use what we're growing.
[Unidentified Female:] Wow.
[Ramirez:] I want to grow old and I want to grow old in a healthy way, and I want that for everybody.
[Unidentified Female:] Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Go to CNNheroes.com to nominate someone you think deserves to be recognized just like Sarah. Coming up next on NEW DAY, the late night landscape is about to undergo a seismic shift. David Letterman announcing he's retiring. How he broke the news. And of course the question, who's possibly going to replace him?

[Cooper:] Most of us, of course, don't remember the first time we heard a sound. In fact, none of us do. It's impossible, because it happened while we were still in the womb. But a 3-year-old boy named Grayson Clamp was born totally deaf and will never forget that moment when he first heard sound. It was captured on video. Take a look.
[Unidentified Male:] Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you. Daddy loves you.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes. He hears.
[Unidentified Male:] Can you hear daddy?
[Cooper:] It's an incredible moment, obviously, for Grayson and his family. He was born without the nerves needed to process and hear sound. He's the first child in the United States to get what's called an auditory brain stem implant, a device that's being studied in clinical trials across the country. He had the surgery in April in North Carolina. Joining me now is our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta. So, I mean, it's remarkable to see his face light up like that. How does this implant work?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] I can't stop watching this video. It's just amazing when he hears that sound for the first time. You know, let me show you the way this works. I mean, again, it's just it is remarkable. We're working at a true medical sort of first here. As you pointed out, Anderson, the nerve that goes from his ear to his brain stem, that's what he essentially doesn't have. That's a very specific kind of hearing loss. So what they're trying to do is they're basically recreating part of his nervous system. Let me show you here on my brain model. So this is the left right side of the brain. This, you see the microphone that's sort of sitting around his ear. That takes sound, sort of processes it, distills it to various frequencies, Anderson, and then literally, there's a wire that goes straight to his brain stem, to the cochlear nuclei over here. You don't need to remember the name. But just know this: That it takes that sound that it's hearing and sort of shuttles it all throughout the brain, allowing him to have that reaction that you just saw there. One of total surprise, and "what is that" as he heard his dad's voice for the first time.
[Cooper:] And this is different than the cochlear implant?
[Gupta:] It is different than the cochlear implant. The cochlear implant, you essentially have something defective in your inner ear. But the nerve that goes from your inner ear to the your brain, the brain stem, that's working. So you don't need to replace that. In a very small percentage of people, including Grayson, they don't have the nerve at all. So it's a much more it's a much more difficult problem in some ways to tackle. But the way they tackled it was essentially to create a part of his nervous system. It's just an unbelievably remarkable thing.
[Cooper:] You know, watching the whole video, he seemed sort of confused or thrown by it. I can't imagine what it's like to live, you know, that many years of your life without hearing any sound and then all of a sudden hearing sound. Do the doctors know how much he can hear and exactly what he hears?
[Gupta:] It's a great question. And it's difficult to know. We ask them the same thing. And they say they know he is sound aware. He's clearly hearing sounds. How much he can actually process of that sound and recognize of his language, that's harder to tell. One anecdote that they share with me is he seems to love music. In fact, when he hears music, he will go over and turn the music even louder. He seems to enjoy that. But he's 3 years old. And, you know, we talk about this idea that your brain is pretty plastic at that age. So he's probably going to grow and learn very rapidly what to make of these sounds and transmit them into something actually useful for him.
[Cooper:] Will he be able to speak at some point?
[Gupta:] That's what they say. Again, we asked the same thing. They think he'll be able to understand hear the language, understand it and then be able to express himself through spoken language, as well. The doctors seem pretty convinced of this. I should point out, this is the first time it's ever been done on a kid in this country. It has been done on adults before. But again, kids' brains are still developing. So it's just a little bit unclear how much, you know, the brain has already bit off, what it's going to be able adapt to specifically. But the doctors seem very, very optimistic that he's going to be able do that.
[Cooper:] So this is just a testing I mean, it's going to be available to anybody with his condition?
[Gupta:] Yes. Right now, it's very much in testing phase. He's the first child in America to have this done. It's been approved for ten children, five of whom don't have that nerve at all, the nerve going from the ear to the brain. Five who had the nerve, but the nerve was traumatized in some way, damaged, so it's not useful. But you know, this seems to be working so far with Grayson. He's sort of the first first patient. But if it continues to work, and that's the goal, to make it much more widely available.
[Cooper:] Yes. Well, we wish him the best. Him and his family. Sanjay, thanks.
[Gupta:] Thank you, Anderson.
[Cooper:] That's so cool. Grayson's parents will be on "NEW DAY" tomorrow morning, starting at 6 a.m. We'll be right back.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now, narrowing an intense search for two killers who made a shocking prison break. A new tip in the case and the help they may have had in their escape ahead. Out of control pool party now costing a police officer his job, he resigns after drawing his gun on unarmed teenagers. The new developments ahead. And more U.S. troops, more troops could soon be heading to Iraq to fight ISIS. We are live with the possible new plan from the White House ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans. It's 30 minutes past the hour. John Berman has the morning off. Happening now, authorities are pursuing a couple of important new breaks in that manhunt for two convicted killers escaped from a maximum security prison in upstate New York. The first break, investigators now think a woman who worked with Richard Matt and David Sweat, reportedly teaching them how to tailor MTA uniforms in the prison tailor shop. She planned to pick them up after their escape Friday. A source tells CNN at the last minute Joyce Mitchell changed her mind and wound up in the hospital suffering panic attacks. Mitchell's son, Tobey, rejecting any suggestion she voluntarily helped these inmates and telling NBC there is simply no way she was simply having an affair with one of the men.
[Tobey Mitchell, Son Of Prison Worker:] She is not the kind of person that is going to risk her life or other people's lives to let these guys escape from prison. She definitely wouldn't have an affair against my father and it definitely wouldn't be with an inmate. There is no truth to that.
[Unidentified Female:] There is a report out there that your mom went to the emergency room with a panic attack. Did that happen?
[Mitchell:] Yes. She was, in fact, in the hospital that evening. I don't know the exact details. I just know that she was having severe chest pains and she was concerned about that. My mom, she worries a lot about everything. I mean, especially with me. People might say, well, no matter what, I wouldn't do that. Well, when you're put in a situation where family members are threatened or other family members might be threatened or at risk, you do a lot of things that you wouldn't think that would affect your family. In my family, family always comes first.
[Unidentified Female:] Were there threats, Tobey?
[Mitchell:] I have no idea.
[Romans:] Now there is a second break in the case. A witness report of two suspicious men spotted walking down a road in rural Willsborough, some 40 miles south of the prison. That is where CNN's Jason Carroll picks up the story.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] For several hours, a number of law enforcement were out here on the ground searching by foot and by air. This after, on Monday night, they got a tip that two men were spotted walking around during the middle of a storm in the middle of a street. When a car approached them, apparently those two men took off. That set off a lot of red flags. That's also what set off this massive search out here. Where we are located, it's just about 40 miles south of where the prison is located. So you can imagine why this search effort was under way here. Again, searching by ground, searching by air, in terms of the ground search and the property where we are, it's bordered by train tracks on one side, by a river on the other side. At one point, officers walking shoulder-to-shoulder as they conducted their search throughout the woods. It wasn't just a search of the woods, but they also checked security cameras, resident security cameras and security cameras from businesses as well. So far, we are told that has turned up nothing. It's going to be another restless day for many residents in this rural area Christine.
[Romans:] All right, Jason Carroll, thanks, Jason. For days now, authorities have been warning how dangerous Richard Matt and David Sweat are. Few people understand the threat like Matt's accomplice in a 1997 crime. A man named Lee Bates. Bates served 15 years for his role in the kidnapping and murder of businessman, William Rickerson. Bates told Anderson Cooper he watched Richard Matt brutally beat Rickerson over a 27-hour period in an unsuccessful effort to get money from the man.
[Lee Bates, Matt's Accomplice In 1997 Murder:] Torture is probably an understatement because once at different points during the commission of what was the crime there, he used duct tape to tie Mr. Rickerson up. He beat him with anything and everything that he possibly can, a knife sharpener, a security device, the club from my automobile. He physically grabbed Mr. Rickerson's hands and pulled his fingers back until they snapped, punching him, beating him. Starting from in the house throughout the car ride and then eventually when he opened up the trunk and Mr. Rickerson told him, "I'll take you to the money, let me out." And Richard Matt there then said, "I don't believe you, I don't believe you. You've been playing games with me, I don't believe you." and in a fit of rage, he reached into the car, grabbed Mr. Rickerson by his head and snapped his neck in front of me.
[Romans:] Bates says he was afraid of Richard Matt then and is still afraid of him now. A dramatic new development this morning in McKinney, Texas, where the police officer at the center of that pool party melee, he is stepping down. Protesters had been calling for Corporal Eric Casebolt's badge and calling for his prosecution after he drew his gun on unarmed teenagers. The host of the pool party telling CNN she is happy Casebolt has resigned.
[Tatyana Rhodes, Host Of Pool Party:] I feel he could have done way better and performed better and done better toward teens in this situation. Just like in the video, his peers were working way better, more appropriately than he was.
[Romans:] For the very latest, let's turn to CNN's Nick Valencia in McKinney.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine, the huge news on Tuesday night was the announcement of the resignation of Officer Eric Casebolt. The officer in question of that viral video posted over the weekend showing him wrestling a young teenage girl to the ground. The police chief of the McKinney Police Department came out and said his actions were indefensible. He said of the 12 officers that responded to the incident on Friday, 11 of them acted appropriately but Officer Casebolt was not one of them.
[Chief Greg Conley, Mckinney Police Department:] Eric Casebolt has resigned from the McKinney Police Department. As the chief of police, I want to say to our community that the actions of Casebolt as seen on the video of the disturbance at the community pool are indefensible.
[Valencia:] This much is clear. We are told that the incident began with physical altercation between an adult and young teenager. We were told by one of the witnesses, who wasn't within earshot of this, but said others heard it. That it began when an adult started hurling racial slurs at the young black teenagers. Neighbors in the community say that wasn't the case. One African-American resident in that subdivision where this incident took place on Friday said that it was the teenagers that were causing the commotion and the chaos didn't start until they started hopping the fence. This has created some division within the community and the case is far from over. Some are asking for charges to be brought against Officer Casebolt Christine.
[Romans:] All right, Nick, thank you for that. McKinney police have dropped the charges against the one person arrested following that chaos, an 18-year-old named Adrian Martin. This morning, the Secret Service and capital police investigating two separate bomb threats that forced evacuations of a Senate hearing and White House briefing room. Reporters were moved to a separate building, while the Secret Service kept the president and his family in place in the White House. Officials say they covered up TV cameras to protect the methods used to investigate bomb threats. Secret Service officials declined to discuss any possible connection between the two threats. Another embarrassing development for the Secret Service, it turns out dozens of newly hired officers have been assigned to the White House and other sensitive post and they don't have the proper national security clearance, some of them even having access to classified material. A rush to hire new personnel in the wake of a host of security lapses is to blame here. Now the Secret Service director is promising to quickly fix the problem. You can add a laboratory in the U.K. to the growing list of locations that have been sent live anthrax samples from the Pentagon. A privately owned lab received that delivery in 2007. Officials say the samples were quickly destroyed with no worker illnesses. The lab was only recently informed the pathogen was potentially live. Time for an EARLY START on your money this Wednesday, Asian stocks mostly lower. European and U.S. stock futures looking more upbeat. Stocks very close to record highs here, but uncertainty about a fed rate hike weighing on investor sentiment. Apple Music announced this week, but it's already under scrutiny. According to "The New York Times," the attorneys general of New York and Connecticut are investigating potential antitrust violations. They want to know if Apple pressured music labels and if an agreement with Apple will make music labels withdraw from other ad supported services like Spotify. Universal Music Group is the first to respond saying the agreement with Apple won't affect the availability of its music elsewhere. All right, it's 39 minutes past the hour. The White House with a possible new plan, weighing new plans to take back territory seized by ISIS, on the table, more U.S. troops being sent to Iraq. We are live next.

[Baldwin:] Welcome back. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Heavily armed men, anonymous, some in black masks, today have rumbled into towns in eastern Ukraine, atop military combat vehicles. Russian flags make their allegiance alarmingly clear. But more disturbing still, no one is even saying whose army this is. Even more unnerving, these fighters, sympathetic to Moscow and their supporters rubbed up today against Ukrainian troops sent to reassert authority and their supporters. So at this hour it is a potential tinderbox, very, very confusing. But we do know this. Moscow says it will not allow harm to come to pro-Russian Ukrainians while Ukraine, NATO and now the U.N. all are insisting no such threat resists except for the fact that the Russians are stirring things up a bit here. So now we have this. NATO's boldest response thus far. The U.S. led alliance today has announced it is stepping up patrols immediately along its eastern border. Keep in mind the Russians are massing troops on the other side of Ukraine. Christiane Amanpour joins me live from New York. She, of course, is our chief international correspondent. So, Christiane, is NATO finally drawing some kind of line here?
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] Well, NATO is desperate to figure out how to deter Russia and President Putin from making any more land grabs, to moving into any other parts of eastern Ukraine or even into the breakaway region of Moldova, Transnistria, you may have heard that word bandied around. People worried that that could be gobbled up. I spoke to the Russian EU ambassador today and I pressed him on, are we going to see any more land incursions by the Russian military? And he said absolutely not. That is not in Russia's interest. That's not what Russia wants to do anywhere any time anyhow. But what they do want is, as I have been saying, some kind of pressure maintained on the authorities in Kiev. And that is what they're doing. And of course ahead of these four-way talks that will start in Europe, in Geneva tomorrow between the United States, Europe, Russia and Ukraine. Hoping to form some kind of political solution to this crisis.
[Baldwin:] So he says no. On the flip side, though, you have the west. There is this other sign the west is ramping up just a tad here because the head of the CIA, John Brennan, he made a quiet trip to Ukraine over the weekend. We can't assume anything about this but might he have been talking about, you know, sharing intelligence with Kiev, maybe help them keep the Russians at bay?
[Amanpour:] Well, it's unclear what he was doing there. It's really odd that the White House confirmed his trip. I mean, they don't usually do that. But of course as we know the White House and other NATO nations have ruled out any kind of military help to the Ukrainian authorities, so would they be trying to help Ukraine figure out what's going on in their own country? Would it be about sharing intelligence? Would it about trying to figure out how to deter any more, you know, Russian disturbances in the eastern part of the country? I really don't know. But obviously Russia has jumped all over this trip as some sort of conspiracy theory to bolster their own theories and they accuse the West and Ukraine of creating the trouble in eastern Ukraine while the west are trying to keep people on the ground and independent observers including a special U.N. Human Rights investigation on the ground has conclude d that the disturbances are pretty much entirely racked up by the Russians, by these militants and Russia helping them inside the eastern Ukraine. And also very importantly, the U.N. has said that there are no significant instances of Russian speaking Ukrainians being under any threat from Ukraine at all, and that there may have been some issues of harassment but none to the extent that Russia is claiming. Plus of course, as you know, massive Russian propaganda is affecting the temperature of events on the ground because they are spouting the Kremlin line. I mean there are a lot of lies and misrepresentation, independent presses being taken off, as it was in Crimea, and Russia today and other state. Russian news organizations are pretty much the only information that a lot of people are getting so that is very troubling. But I might say this.
[Baldwin:] Sure.
[Amanpour:] Maybe I'm going on a little bit too long.
[Baldwin:] Go ahead, Christiane.
[Amanpour:] But a very interesting new poll has come out done on the ground in Ukraine after the Crimea referendum and it shows that the majority of Ukrainians, whether in Crimea, in eastern Ukraine or in the rest of Ukraine, they want closer ties with the EU and the majority saying that they don't feel under any threat or any pressure from Ukrainian authorities at all.
[Baldwin:] OK. Christiane Amanpour, thank you, thank you, thank you.
[Amanpour:] Thanks, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Coming up next, back to our special coverage of Flight 370. The families that passengers lost in the planes storming out of this briefing today. One man shouting at officials, calling them liars. Furious. Listen, this story is the same. They are not getting the answers they want about these underwater search so we're going to try to get answers to those questions they have from our experts next.

[Baldwin:] Wanted to make sure we got this one in today. He is Decorated Army Ranger, one of the officers who hunted the Boston bombers and right now, he's in the hospital after being shot in his face. We are told a driver, ambushed officer John Moynihan, during a routine traffic stop.
[Commissioner William Evans, Boston Police:] No guns withdrawn, the video is going to clearly show that. The officer was assisting the driver out. And out fabrication as the driver is getting out of the motor vehicle. You can see his right arm come up pointing and shot Officer Moynihan right below the eye.
[Baldwin:] Officer Moynihan is 34-years of age. The gunman was shot and killed the night of the shooting, officers stood outside the hospital where he had surgery. The bullet lodge behind his ear. And he has said to be in stable condition and improving. Last year in fact, the White House honors Officer Moynihan for his service during the Boston manhunt. He rescued the transit worker who was hurt during the shoot out with the Tsarnaev brothers. It is a narrative we have certainly heard before here. An African- American man gets pulled over by police and was left swollen, bloody and beaten. He says he was racially profile the victimized. Police say they were feared he was going for a weapon. This time the story is unfolding in the Detroit Suburb and CNN National Reporter Nick Valencia tells the story.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn National Correspondent:] Fifty-seven year-old, Floyd Dent says he thought he was going to die during a police traffic stop in Suburban, Detroit.
[Floyd Dent, Victim:] He came cover the gun and told me "I'll blow your brains out get in the car."
[Valencia:] According to a police report, officers say they saw Dent enter a motel in an area known for drug dealing. After he leaves, they pull him over when they say he runs a stop sign. Dent who said he never stopped at the motel and was headed home after work, denies he did anything wrong.
[Dent:] In a party that's coming on, I didn't really think they were stopping me.
[Valencia:] William Melendez the arresting officer writes he believes Dent was fleeing when he failed to stop right away. Seen here on a police dash cam video, Melendez approaches the car gun drawn as Dent opens his car door and is dragged out.
[Dent:] So hands out, get kind a out of the car they yank me out of the car, you know, and throws me to the ground and starts beating me upside the head, you know, and choking me. You know, I'm begging for my life. I'm telling the officer I can't breathe.
[Valencia:] But police say he didn't fully comply. According to the police report, Officer Melendez says he saw Dent turn towards the center of the car and feared Dent was reaching for a weapon. Next they say Dent threatens to kill the officers. Melendez says he starts to punch Dent only after Dent quote, "bit down on his forearms." In fear of being bitten again, he writes, "he struck Dent several times with a closed right fist.
[Dent:] I didn't bite anyone. I didn't tend to bite anyone but
[Valencia:] After the incident Dent is shown here swollen, bloody, battered. He spent two days in the hospital. Officer Melendez is shown here on the right.
[Greg Rohl, Floyd Dent's Attorney:] We have on video this officer searching the car and testifying "I allegedly I found it under the passenger seat." Of course, my client's fingerprints will not be on the bag, we all know that.
[Valencia:] The drug charge still stands.
[Unidentified Male:] We respect our police officers but we do hold them to high standards and we do hold them accountable for their actions as well.
[Valencia:] At a press conference last week, City of Inkster Police and Community leaders set an investigation into the conduct of the officers is underway but will not comment on any specifics.
[Chief Vicki Yost, Inkster Michigan Police:] We started this investigation. We're not hiding from it. And we'll follow the facts and act accordingly.
[Valencia:] Dent has worked at the Ford Motor company for nearly 40 years. He's never before been arrested.
[Dent:] This is some type of cover up, OK. They try to cover up what they did.
[Valencia:] Melendez, a veteran officer with 24-years of experience, has been put on paid administrative duties until the investigation by Michigan State Police is complete. CNN attempted to reach Officer Melendez several times by phone and e-mail and through the police union with no response. On April 1st Floyd Dent is expected to appear in court on that drug charge, Brooke, as a charge he plans to fight Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Let's follow up with you Nick Valencia. Thank you so much. Great reporting. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me here on a Monday. A lot still to cover today. Stay with CNN "THE LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts right now.

[Unidentified Male:] Our investigations continue into the cause of these fires, and they will continue until hopefully we're satisfied with the results. We have worked very hard, Senator Isakson, to root out these inappropriate uses of the scheduling system and this abuse. It's absolutely inexcusable.
[Michelle Obama, First Lady:] So today by some measures our schools are as segregated as they were back when Dr. King gave his final speech.
[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Oh, a busy morning. We're so glad that you just took a couple of seconds to spend it with us and sit down and relax. I'm Christi Paul.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] Always a pleasure. I'm Victor Blackwell. 10:00 here on the East Coast, 7:00 out West. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. And we're starting this morning in California. The fires there are raging. Firefighters are working around the clock. They're trying to get six wildfires under control. At least four other fires are now fully contained. Good news there.
[Paul:] That's the good news, right.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Paul:] More than 1,000 firefighters, though, are battling all these blazes around San Diego. Police have now charged just some big news overnight one of three people arrested for alleged arson. They have brought a charge here. So far, though, more than 27,000 acres have been scorched.
[Blackwell:] This morning, firefighters are making some progress, but they're not in the clear yet, because strong winds and dry temperatures, they could fuel the fires even further. Officials say this is unprecedented. In some cases, walls of flames have the potential to spit out winds as strong as tornadoes. Watch this one. It becomes what is becoming this firenado. It kind of goes into this cone, a tornado of fire. Let's bring in CNN's Dan Simon in hard-hit San Marcos. Dan, what's it look like where you are?
[Dan Simon, Cnn Correspondent:] Right now, it's looking pretty good. The winds have calmed down. The temperatures are cooler. The humidity is rising. And that's enabling firefighters to begin to get a handle on these blazes. We are in San Marcos, California. This is one of the areas, as you said, that's been hardest hit. You can see this home. It is just a smoky, charred mess. We're out on a mountainside, and you can see off in the distance actually where you see that layer of clouds, that's marine layer, that's actually where Camp Pendleton is, and we're not seeing much smoke over there. So that is also good news. So here in San Marcos, the containment figure is 50 percent. It's beginning to rise over in Camp Pendleton, as well. So it appears that firefighters are starting to make good progress, but, you know, as we've seen with the unpredictable nature of wildfires, they can kick up. So that's why they have so many people on the ground trying to battle these blazes, both on the ground and, of course, from the sky Victor and Christi.
[Paul:] Dan, we know while they're trying to contain the fires, there's an investigation going on. Three people arrested, and one charge being brought this morning. What do you know about this?
[Simon:] Well, what we know is when these fires broke out, at one time you had eight essentially going at once, there was immediate speculation that arson may be at play. And we know that two teenagers were arrested, accused of trying to start some small brush fires and a then a man in his 50s was arrested separately, also trying to allegedly trying to start a small brush fire. At this time they haven't linked any individuals to some of these bigger fires, but that's certainly something that they're investigating because again it was so unusual to have all these fires breaking out at once.
[Paul:] All righty. Hey, Dan Simon, glad everybody there is OK. Thank you so much.
[Blackwell:] Thank you, Dan. And we have with us this morning one of the thousands who had to just pick up, pack up, and get out as those flames closed in.
[Paul:] Alicia Exon is joining us by phone from San Marcos. Alicia, thank you so much. We're glad that you're able to join us and that you're OK. I know that you've lived there for years, and you say in the last decade you've lived through two of these, quote, "apocalyptic firestorms." What are you seeing? And compare this one to what you've seen in the past for us.
[Alicia Exon, San Marcos Resident:] Well, first of all, I just thought I should mention that I am in my bed right now.
[Paul:] Oh, good.
[Exon:] In my own in my own house. We came home yesterday. We got the news, and our entire community was really excited to be able to get back in. We don't see any of the big billowing smoke anymore. We're just kind of left with some really poor air quality. But everybody's really excited. And just to give you a sense of kind of the community and what's going on, the kids have prom tonight, and there were kids in our neighborhood that were not going to be able to get into their home to get their dresses for prom, and to get their tuxes and their dresses for prom. So this is a big sense of relief. I don't really have much knowledge of I mean, there definitely is talk about arson. I hope that that's if that is what it is, I hope that they've caught the right person. We're just really hoping that we're on the road to recovery here.
[Blackwell:] Very quickly, Alicia, do you know if that prom is still going forward, is going to happen?
[Exon:] I'm sorry?
[Blackwell:] Do you know if the prom is going to happen as scheduled?
[Exon:] Yes. I think that they are still planning a prom. I've got a text last night from one of the girls at the high school asking if I could do a waterfall braid. I think I think they're planning on prom. We did get news that school would resume on Monday. So I think they are planning on prom tonight.
[Blackwell:] Let me ask you, you have seen, as you said, a couple of these apocalyptic firestorms.
[Exon:] Yes.
[Blackwell:] You've lived there for some time. Are you going to stay? I mean, you've been fortunate thus far. But you're going to stay where you are?
[Exon:] We're going to stay where we are. My kids are a little older. You know, let me tell you, as structures start to burn, there becomes a very poor air quality, and it's important to pay attention to the particulate matter, because that can cause some really serious health concerns. There have been fires in the past that have burned far more structures, and that's not what we're seeing on this one. I mean, it's bad and there have been a lot of fires that have broken out. But the witch fires that I believe were in 2007, I think that those I could be wrong on this, I think that it burned more structures. I just remember hearing a lot more about the particulate matter and the chemicals that were airborne.
[Paul:] So you're not experiencing any problems, you know, breathing or
[Exon:] No.
[Paul:] No? Not right now?
[Exon:] No. But I was back then, because I had babies, and my children were a lot smaller. And if you had a child who had asthma or anything like that, you just needed to get out. And I don't I don't feel like it's that bad now. We had ash in our home we had ash on the ground of our home so that we were putting plastic down as people came from the outside and marched through our house. That was back that was the 2003, I think that was the 2003 fire. So I don't feel like we're experiencing that. But it might be that there are people on the other side of the hill who are.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Exon:] So, you know, it's all when winds. It's all about how the wind is flowing and where it's pushing that air. And yes, so
[Blackwell:] We're going to check on that wind. Alicia Exon, thank you so much for sharing your story. Glad to know that you're back in your bed in your home.
[Paul:] Yes, and have fun at prom, everybody.
[Blackwell:] Thank you. Thanks, Alicia.
[Exon:] Thanks, guys.
[Paul:] Let's bring in sure, thank you so much. Let's bring in meteorologist Alexandra Steele here, because she has been watching the weather that Alicia was just talking about.
[Blackwell:] Yes. Tell us about the winds. How are they now?
[Alexandra Steele, Ams Meteorologist:] Right, Alicia makes some great points. It is all about the winds and the directions from which they're coming. And that is key. So, you know, regardless of this if these were set or not set, the stage has been set for fires. And this is why. Dry conditions, we've got an historic drought on our hands. Hot temperatures. Of course, we've seen record heat day after day, month after month. And these very strong robust Santa Anas. Santa Ana, it's all about the direction from which the wind is coming. Offshore, meaning blowing like this. What we're seeing now with the change is an onshore wind, blowing like this from the south, bringing in the moisture above the Pacific Ocean. It's cold, that water. The moisture above it is coming in and finally we're seeing that. So temperature-wise, out of the 90s into the 70s, which is good news. The temperatures are coming down. The humidity is coming up. And this is the wind. The most important thing to note, the direction from which these arrows are coming. And finally, we've seen a change in that wind direction. The pattern is breaking, the ridge is giving way to a trough, allowing for that. And you know we've got some moisture in the air. We've got a dense fog advisory. So hallelujah for the dense fog. Certainly the best news coming. So, you guys, the weather forecast is favorable. The fire forecast less so, because the stage is set, and we're only going to go from here.
[Paul:] All right. Alexandra, thank you. Giving us the latest there.
[Blackwell:] You know, the kidnapped girls in Nigeria are still are still with this group, this militant group, Boko Haram.
[Paul:] Lawmakers here are now asking what the U.S. can do to help free them. So that's one of the questions we're going to be talking about. Also, in Turkey, the death toll from that mine disaster tops 300 now. We just got new numbers. The anguish is turning into anger there. We'll have a report for you coming up.

[Romans:] Breaking overnight, a new batch of e-mails from Hillary Clinton's private email address, the only email address Clinton had while she was secretary of state. That's a violation of government rules. Among almost 2,000 e-mails in this batch, exchanges with President Obama's top aides including David Axelrod. Now, Axelrod has previously said he was unaware Mrs. Clinton was using a private e-mail address. The e-mails released last night amount to 3,000 pages worth, a small fraction of the 55,000 pages she has turned over processing. I have gone over some of them, John, and I get buried in my own e-mails let alone government corporate e-mails of someone else. No barn-burners in there at this point.
[Berman:] Not yet, at least. All right. He is the newest candidate in the Republican field. Chris Christie, number 14 and counting! He says his experience is unique. He got into the game officially at his high school gym in Livingston, New Jersey. He told reporters that he of all the candidates is the only one willing to do what it takes.
[Gov. Chris Christie , Presidential Candidate:] I wake up every morning knowing that I have an opportunity to do something great. I don't do something great every day. I'm human. But every morning, I wake up with an opportunity to do something great. That's why this job is a great job and that is why president of the United States is an even greater job for a greater number of people.
[Berman:] About a 30-minute speech. No teleprompter, no actually written speech at all, sort of off-the-cuff. Impressive. The governor is now in New Hampshire for the next several days. He is going all in there. It's sort of make or break for him.
[Romans:] His campaign slogan is, "Tell It Like It Is". Tell it like it is from the New Jersey governor. One problem for Christie. New Jersey's economy is not doing so hot. Unlike most states, New Jersey still has not recovered all of the jobs lost in the recession. The state's unemployment rate will above the national average. Since the recession, poverty has risen, revenue has declined. Christie touts his business credentials, but New Jersey ranked one of the worst states for doing business and that track record could make it difficult to challenge candidates like Rick Perry and Jeb Bush who led states of huge growth. His supporters will say that he is a Republican governor of a Democratic state that is ruining the country the finances and he's just trying to fix it. But that will be an interesting topic on the debate trail, I'm sure.
[Berman:] Indeed, indeed. All right. Now to the most important news story of the day. One of the best games I have ever seen! The United States advanced to the World Cup final. The American women shut out top-seeded Germany 2-0. This is how you do a penalty kick that is from captain Carli Lloyd. That was after Germany missed a PK. Here we go, a beautiful cross to Kelley O'Hara right here. I think you're going to see her put it in the air, 2-0 over Germany, the top- ranked team in the world, although that will not last because Team USA will soon be top ranked as it heads to the final to play the winner of Japan and England. That semifinal match is tonight. And I have to say, I needed this game and helped me solve the wounds after Ben and Jennifer broke up.
[Romans:] Oh, yes, they broke up on my wedding anniversary.
[Berman:] I know. I'm sure. I'm sure they thought about putting it off for a day so one coincide
[Romans:] That wasn't one of our top headlines this morning, John.
[Berman:] No.
[Romans:] The Ben and Jen
[Berman:] The not top news.
[Romans:] Yes.
[Berman:] All right. Deadline extended in the nuclear negotiations with Iran. But not without a new warning for President Obama. We are live from the talks next.

[Banfield:] This video, that just surfaced over the weekend, showing two extremists. They are leveling a threat against the Olympic games in Sochi. These are the two that claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings in the Russian city of Volgograd, effectively bombing themselves, taking themselves out, but leaving behind the video with an advance warning, moving ahead to the Olympics. They warned that they have a present for the Olympic tourists as a payback for Muslim blood that has been spilled. And all that is raising huge security concerns just under three weeks before the games. The torch got a warm welcome in Volgograd today despite all of this. Have a look. Despite the cheers there, people around the world are on edge about what has happened in that city just about 600 miles from Sochi where the Olympics will be. Russia's president says the country has a perfect understanding of the threat, and how to stop the threat, but that doesn't seem to do much for U.S. lawmakers because several of them are saying they are extremely concerned. Phil Black has more from Volgograd.
[Phil Black, Cnn Correspondent:] Ashleigh, it was three weeks ago that a man walked into this train station behind me, approached the security screening area and blew himself up, killing 18 people. The next day, someone else performed a suicide attack on a bus nearby killing another 16. Now, a jihadi video has emerged with two men claiming responsibility for those attacks. They also warned that they are but a taste of what people should expect during the winter Olympics in Sochi.
[Black:] Mounting concerns in Russia this morning as the Olympic torch relay makes its way for the bomb stricken city of Volgograd. Two extremists in this video claiming responsibility for two back to back suicide bombings last month that claimed 34 lives, and warning that more attacks could come during the Sochi Olympic Games. In the hour-long video, the purported suicide bombers are seen constructing explosives and explaining their motives all before heading to their targets triggers in hand. The two men apparently part of an Islamist militant group vowing to prepare a present for the Olympics and all the tourists who'll come over. Members of Congress are very concerned.
[Representative Michael Mccain , Texas:] If something does happen, what is the evacuation plan and emergency response plan that would take place?
[Black:] Others worried about Americans heading to Sochi.
[Unidentified Male:] I would not go and I don't think I would send my family.
[Representative Mike Rogers , Michigan, Intelligence Committee Chair:] I am very concerned about the security status of the Olympics. I do believe that the Russian government needs to be more cooperative with the United States when it comes to the security of the games.
[Black:] Russian President Vladimir Putin deploying a security force at 40,000 police officers and soldiers to the region. In an interview with ABC News, Putin says that he will do whatever it takes to keep athletes and visitors safe, and pledging that Russia has adequate means of security. Security around the Olympic venue on high alert. Metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs are visible as the games get underway in just over two weeks. Russian officials say they are not revising their security plans for the Sochi games because they believe they already have everything in place. When the Olympic flame arrived here this morning, there were more police officers and members of the security forces to meet it than members of the public. It seems the lesson from the Volgograd attacks is that even if Sochi is locked down successfully, there are still many other potentially vulnerable targets in other parts of the country. Back to you, Ashleigh.
[Banfield:] Phil, thank you for that. It is minus 25 where Phil is. We really appreciate his reporting today. Do you remember the holiday hack attack, the Target thing that affected so many millions of Americans? There was Target, but then there was also Neiman Marcus, and it turns out that may just be the beginning, folks. This thing is far from over, and there are some details that you need to hear if you buy stuff like anywhere.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] You hear all of that gunfire from yesterday morning, but now, police say they shot the lone gunman who fired those shots. One after another in Denmark. That shooter sprayed bullets into a Copenhagen cafe where a Swedish cartoonist who had caricatured the Prophet Muhammad and had received death threats was set to speak. He had escaped unharmed. A filmmaker however was killed.
[Martin Savide, Cnn Anchor:] That was the first of two deadly attacks that put the Danish capital on edge. It still remains that way. The other happened near a synagogue, killing a 37-year-old. Following a massive manhunt, the suspect in both of those attacks was killed in a shootout with police overnight.
[Paul:] So let's talk on the phone here to journalist Astrid Sondberg. She is in Copenhagen right now. And, Astrid, I understand that you've got some new information for us about these victims.
[Astrid Sondberg, Journalist:] We're learning more about the man that police consider to be the same man who has been behind both shootings. He was shot dead by the police tonight. They're awaiting at an apartment where a taxi driver had dropped the man off. The police tells us that they actually knew about this man before the shooting. We are not sure why, but the secret police in Denmark has been looking into this guy. We are not sure if he has been in an area of the police system. No evidence puts him in Syria or anywhere else but we know that the police were aware of this guy.
[Paul:] OK. What do we know about the victims in this case?
[Sondberg:] We know that the filmmaker who was 55 years old was killed at the first shooting. He was there because he was very interested in freedom of speech. He was interested in the right to talk freely, especially after the "Charlie Hebdo" shootings in Paris. And we know that the second victim was a Jewish man standing guard at a bar mitzvah party which was being held at the synagogue in Copenhagen.
[Paul:] All righty. And is there any indication at this point, Astrid, how long it may be before we'll learn more information about this suspect who's now dead?
[Sondberg:] We have talked to some in the police and they tell us that they are very close to having a clear identification of the man. When they say that, it normally means that they actually know who he is now but they just have to conclude some investigation. So, we may hear more about who the man is later today. We do know, by the way, that he was a person living in Copenhagen. He had an address and was living in Copenhagen. That we know for sure.
[Paul:] All right. Astrid Sondberg, we appreciate it. Of course, we know that police are at his residence. They're combing through evidence and they will give us the latest as soon as they can. Meanwhile, the controversial cartoonist apparently targeted in yesterday's attack first angered a lot of people back in 2000 sense because that's when Lars Vilks depicted the Prophet Muhammad with a picture of a dog. So, we want to talk to the person who was with Vilks, the forum with Vilks. Dennis Brink is with us. Dennis, thank you so much for being with us. So, you are in the cafe. This free speech meeting had just started. Talk to me about the moment you heard the shots. What happened?
[Dennis Brink, Witness:] Yes. Well, I guess it was about 12 an hour into the meeting when we heard about, I think, 30 shots from the entrance room of the hall next to the meeting room in which we were. It took some seconds before we realized what was actually going on. But then as soon as people realized that, they panic broke out and everybody rushed to the doors and I was myself in a small group of five or six people who rushed to one door and just before we opened it we heard shots on the other side of the door that was in the street. Therefore, we didn't dare to go out of the door. So, we basically most of us stayed in the room just trying to hide between tables and chairs that were turned over. We were lying on the floor simply just hoping for the best.
[Paul:] Now, I know that police got there fairly quickly. You said to me earlier you believe that he that this gunman may have gotten into the shop had the police not gotten there when they did?
[Brink:] That sorry. I didn't get the last thing you said.
[Paul:] Do you believe that this gunman might have tried to get into the shop itself had the police not gotten there as soon as they did?
[Brink:] Oh, yes. Definitely. The police were on the spot already. There were some two police officers in uniform and there were some people from the Danish intelligence service there. And then, they prevented him from getting into the room. He tried as far as I'm informed, he tried to get in the back door first and there were no police guards there but the door was locked and so he apparently gave up that plan and went in through the main entrance. And there was a lot of police intelligence service there. They opened gunfire against him. Yes, that prevented him from getting into the room where we are.
[Paul:] Well, Dennis, we are certainly grateful that you are OK. Thank you so much for sharing with us what you know. And your experience from that incident. Best of luck to you. Thank you.
[Brink:] You're welcome.
[Savidge:] Let's bring in now retired Army lieutenant colonel and Pentagon consultant, Bob Maginnis. Colonel Maginnis, was Denmark really prepared for this kind of attack? We know they have heightened security. But it didn't seem that that they were fully cognizant that it could very well happen. LT. COL. ROBERT MAGINNIS, U.S. ARMY And if the police were responding to what they may have seen in Paris, is it also possible that the gunman may have been wanting to emulate something he saw in Paris?
[Maginnis:] The copycat types of events are not uncommon. The hatchet attack against police in New York City. We saw the Sydney attack and, of course, the Paris attack. These seem to be spun up results of, you know, some pretty terrible ideology that, you know, if this turns out to be another radical Islamist, then we'll have more evidence that this is something that is perpetrating across the globe. Clearly, you have law enforcement on the edge. Europe, of course, is really turning anti-immigrant, which is a tragedy but something that understandably, given this type of random violence, is very disconcerting to the local populations.
[Savidge:] The first attack appears to have been motivated to maybe strike revenge against a cartoonist. The second attack appeared to have been against a synagogue which, of course, suggests something else completely different.
[Maginnis:] Well, it does. If you go back to especially if you see what the statements out of ISIL are, they're saying, go after any unbeliever, and they name Jews as well. And so, if you're doing what they told you to do and you believe that your cause is correct, then you're going to you know, you're going to visit local synagogues, you're going to visit local cafes where that particular group of people may go and that's going to help spin you up. Now, of course, the local police are going to go after evidence of purchases of weapons, IEDs, evidence of, you know, looking at a particular facility, you know, more than once. And, of course, this particular event would have drawn a lot of attention in the papers even if it hadn't been a shootout because of Mr. Vilks and his past reputation. So, I think people around the world are going to see, you know, there is some forensic evidence here to suggest that these types of events are going to draw lone wolves, therefore, we must be vigilant, we must do our due diligence in preparation for this, and I think we'll see a better local police. But the real answer here is not a military operation, not a worldwide attack against a particular group of people. It's local police, local citizens being vigilant. You know, thinking about where they can escape to if something like this were to happen. If you're going to an event like this, Martin, you have to anticipate there's going to be at least a verbal confrontation if not a violent confrontation.
[Savidge:] Yes, personal awareness. Very good point. Lieutenant Colonel Bob Maginnis, thank you very much.
[Maginnis:] Thank you, Martin.
[Paul:] So, the second big story we're following is the blizzard that I know a lot of you are probably sitting at home looking out the window and you see it right there. We're going to take you live to hard-hit Massachusetts where they're expected to get some of the worst from the storm, but they are not the only ones.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Continuing our World Lead, of course, the new information that we've received today indicating that missing Malaysia Airline flight 370 traveled about an hour off course after its transponder stopped transmitting, well, it took four days for that information to emerge from a senior Malaysian air force official. In a world where every move we make is tracked by someone or another, how is it possible that technology hasn't been able to locate this plane yet? Let's bring in Noah Shactman. He's executive editor at "The Daily Beast." He's also a nonresident fellow at the Brookings Institute's Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence. Noah, thanks so much for joining us. After four days, we're now being told that a military radar picked up the plane an hour after initial reports that contact was lost. What is different about a military radar versus a civilian aviation radar?
[Noah Shactman, Executive Editor, The Daily Beast:] Sure. And thanks for having me, Jake. Military radars are of course more powerful than their civilian counterparts. And they can also, depending on the model, can also sort of see through the brine of the sea and can look lower than civilian radar can. They are also differently positioned. So, we're now getting hit on this military radar from the Straits of Malacca. That's a well-known piracy hub, and there's been counter-piracy activities by the Malaysian military and others for more than a decade there. So in a sense, if they found the plane over the Straits of Malacca, it makes sense that the military would find it and not the civilian authorities.
[Tapper:] What about the black boxes? What are crews doing to find that?
[Shactman:] You know, the black boxes, which are actually orange, do have a beacon on them. But the thing is that those beacons can only call out for about five miles or so. So it's still very, very, very hard to find these things in the open ocean. It's really it's the smallest of needles in the biggest of haystacks.
[Tapper:] Assuming that the plane is more than five miles underwater, you're saying?
[Shactman:] No, I'm saying that gives you a five mile radius to look in. But look, they just found this thing hundreds of miles off course, so who knows where it is. So it helps, but it only helps to a certain degree.
[Tapper:] So we've heard that forces from 10 different countries are scouring the region. What are they carrying on their aircraft and ships to try to find this plane?
[Shactman:] Yes, that's right. Forces from the Chinese military, the Malaysian, of course, the American military, the Australians, the Thai, the Vietnamese on and on are all looking for this thing. It's really an incredible hunt. And the U.S. military in particular is kind of treating it like "The Hunt For Red October." They are using some of the most sophisticated sub hunting equipment, magnotometers to look for metal. They are using acoustic sensors to hear if the plane might still be moving. Infrared, regular optical sensors, satellites. It's really an impressive array and, unfortunately, they still haven't been able to find anything, despite all of that gear.
[Tapper:] Are we sure that the most advanced technology is being used? What are some of the other ones that searchers may be employing?
[Shactman:] Well, it really seems like they are throwing just about everything at it, even the array of sensors used to detect nuclear launches. Those sensors are being used. They are called infrasound. They look for very low sound waves are being used. It's really kind of everything. And, still, they have no luck. It's amazing.
[Tapper:] This may sound like a strange question, but after the Boston Marathon bombing, there was a lot of crowd sourcing. Now, a lot of that information was proved to be incorrect, but some of it was proven correct. Considering all of the satellite technology and things that the people at home have access to, is there any way for people who want to help the search who are sitting at home and maybe are advanced with their computers, is there anything that they can do?
[Shactman:] Actually, it's not such a crazy question. Digital Globe, which is the leading commercial satellite imaging company, they provide a lot of the online maps, they provide images to the U.S. military, they've opened up their archives for the public to go and scour to see if they find anything. Now, at the moment, that public facing website is down, but I'm told that it should be up shortly and, yes, maybe there is something in that wide open ocean that can be found by you and me.
[Tapper:] Just the idea of all of that data and bringing more eyes to it maybe could help find this airplane. Noah Shactman, thank you so much. We appreciate your time. Coming up, thanks but no thanks. Why Secretary of State John Kerry is refusing a sit-down meeting with Vladimir Putin. That's next. Plus, a daughter begging her father to come home safely. A mother holding out hope her son will return. The heartbreaking stories of families desperate for answers. Coming up.

[Costello:] Domestic violence in sports will take center stage on Capitol Hill later today as yet another panel holds a hearing, this time in the senate. This morning, the man whose name and face many have come to associate with sports and domestic violence opened up about the now infamous elevator video that showed him knocking out the woman he later married. Now Ray Rice is asking for a second chance to play in the NFL. He's been cleared to return but no team has picked him up. Not yet. Here's what he told the "Today" show.
[Matt Lauer, Msnbc:] What do you think it would take for another owner and another group of fans to put the images of that video behind and say "we'll take a chance on Ray Rice"?
[Ray Rice, Nfl Player:] One thing I think that they would have to be willing to, you know, look deeper into who I am and realize that me and my wife had one bad night and I took full responsibility for it. And one thing about my punishment and everything going along with anything that happened is that I've accepted it, I went fully forward with it, I never complained or did anything like that. I took full responsibility for everything I did and the only thing I can hope for and wish for is a second chance.
[Costello:] All right. Let's talk about that. Joining me now CEO of Genesis Women's Shelter and Support in Dallas, Jan Langbein; and Marvet Britto, a PR and brand strategist and the president and CEO of the Britto Agency. Welcome to both of you.
[Marvet Britto, Britto Agency:] Thank you, Carol.
[Jan Langbein, Genesis Women's Shelter:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] Marvet and I were talking in the break, Jan and Marvet was wonder and I think thought it was a good question. If indeed if this was a one-time event, does that constitute domestic violence?
[Langbein:] It does. The assault, there's no question that the assault happened. But most violent relationships are not isolated incidents. We find there is a cycle of behavior where there is tension that builds, an assault that happens but a honeymoon period that follows, a period of promises and hope that there will be change. What that means, however, is that it will cycle back through the tension building, the assault, the honeymoon again and again and again. Where there is no accountability, we see where there has been abuse, it will happen again. It will increase in frequency and often in severity.
[Costello:] Some might say that Ray Rice, you know, he's paid a price. Some might think it wasn't a high enough price but he's probably not going to play football this year, right? Maybe he won't next year. But he wants to be reinstated. In your line of work because you've met many domestic abusers, do most of them return to their careers?
[Langbein:] Absolutely. Very few abusive people lose their jobs. What we find is that there are some companies, there are some corporations like Mary Kaye, Inc. or Verizon that have a corporate zero tolerance policy but most businesses, most employers do not hold accountable perpetrators of violence. What we do find, however, is that the majority of those who lose their jobs are the victims themselves because of absenteeism or lost productivity or just the dangerous environment that's created around the abuse by the abuser that it's actually the victims that lose their jobs permanently.
[Costello:] But look, Jan, in your mind, should Ray Rice get his football career back?
[Langbein:] You know I want to hope that this won't happen again in that family. I want to hope that this is not just a honeymoon period for them. We see, however, that many times the first reported incident of violence, the first public incident, is not the first incident. My hope for that family is that there is healing but only they can tell.
[Costello:] Just a last question because Marvet and I were also discussing this. We had a long conversation in, like, 60 seconds. In Janay Rice's own words, what started this terrible fight that night was they were arguing over something stupid, both of them were drunk and Ray Rice spit on her and then she slapped him. Now, I've never been spit on by anyone so it's hard to believe that this is a one time event. Just because of that in my mind.
[Langbein:] Well, again, I can't speak to this couple but I have to say that normal people don't spit on other people. And when you if he had been a victim of the abuse, he could walk away. He could walk away. That elevator punch never had to happen and that's what the message is, is the accountability for perpetrators of domestic violence. We've started some great conversations in this country because of this particular case. But we're not through.
[Costello:] Ok, on to you, Marvet. You're a PR and brand strategist and Ray Rice appears it appears that he's very sorry and wants to start his life anew and set a new example for people. And you see the interview took place in the kitchen and Janay's parents, you know, they were beside the couple. So in your mind as people watch him on the "Today" show, are they receptive to what he's saying?
[Britto:] I believe that they are. I believe that he struck a common chord in that interview. It was sincere. It was heartfelt. And I think that we have to remember that the road to redemption for many people is rooted in the fact that we are all one bad decision away from a life-changing mistake. I think that that common ground is what allows the public to forgive. And I do believe that we saw a very humble, a very sincere Ray Rice. We also saw her family stand with Ray Rice. I think that that was important for us to see. I do believe that fans will look past this infraction. They won't forget it but I do believe he has a right to earn a living and I do believe that this is a teachable moment. I do think that his wife will emerge. And what I liked most about the interview, what I respected about them is that they didn't immediately stand to become the poster child for domestic violence. They said we want to take time, we want to heal, we want our wellness to be first and then we can emerge and be advocates and champions for this serious issue.
[Costello:] In other words, it wouldn't be a good idea for him to just jump in and say, you know, "I'm going to be supportive of domestic violence shelters or work with battered women" or anything like that.
[Britto:] It would seem insincere. His interview was not scripted, it was genuine. It was a genuine apology. He also spoke to being prepped for his Baltimore Ravens press conference which we all know working in the field that that happens. The interview with Matt Lauer was not prepped, it was a sincere interview. And I do think that he should be given an opportunity to come back. What he did was not right and what he did was disrespectful and what he did should never happen to any woman or any human being but I do believe that we all do make mistake and we need to remember that we are imperfect people. So I think if we all really realize that basis then we can allow this young man the road to redemption like we would all hope we would be granted.
[Costello:] Like I said I'm so torn about this. Honestly I don't know what to think.
[Britto:] It's difficult.
[Costello:] It is difficult. Thanks to you both for your insight. It was fabulous to hear from both of you. Jan Langbein, Marvet Britto. Multi-faith leaders united in the fight against modern slavery Anglican, Orthodox, Jewish, Muslim, Islamic, Buddhist, and Hindu leaders joining Pope Francis at the Vatican today. They signed an agreement aiming to eliminate modern slavery and human trafficking by the year 2020. CNN's Christiane Amanpour was able to ask the pope a question on why this issue so important to him. Christiane joins us now from Rome to tell us more. Hi, Christiane.
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] Hi Carol, I couldn't help but listen to your previous conversation? Do you know what we heard here from anti-slavery activists? That one of the leading causes for people to be so battered is to be susceptible to traffic and slavery is domestic abuse and domestic violence. I find that extraordinary in light of the conversation you've just had. One of the most alarmingly fast rising ways of sexual of slavery is sexual trafficking. The pope here hosted an unprecedented number of major world religious leaders to make an unprecedented signing to try to end this scourge. And I moderated the panel and I asked him what it was that motivated this passion on his part.
[Amanpour:] Holy Father, you played a key role in establishing the global freedom network. You were the first person to call modern slavery and human trafficking a crime against humanity. As you appeal for this scourge to be eradicated once and for all, tell us what exactly motivated your passion about this particular scourge?
[Pope Francis, Roman Catholic Church:] On behalf of all of us and our beliefs and [inaudible], we declare that human slavery in terms of prostitution, organ exploitation and also human trafficking is a crime against humanity. The victims come from all walks of life but most times they are the poorest and the most vulnerable of our brothers and sisters. This situation is unfortunately becoming worse and worse everyday. I call upon all people in faith and their leaders and the governments and the companies. I call all men and women of good will to provide their strong support and join this movement against modern slavery in all its forms.
[Amanpour:] Now, according to the organization that put this on, there are something like 36 million slaves around the world. And not just in the ordinary usual suspect corners of the world but also in the United States, in England, here in Italy and around Europe. There are tens of thousands of them. Most are in China and in India, but it is something now that world leaders say they really do have to tackle. And to wit there are a lot of conferences sort of spreading from the pope's desire to really make this summit ripple and have some effect Carol.
[Costello:] Christiane Amanpour reporting live from Rome this morning. Thanks so much Christiane. I want to take you back to Capitol Hill now because, oh, just about 10 or 15 minutes ago House Speaker John Boehner held his weekly press conference. He talked about immigration and he talked about, you know, funding for the government for another year and he talked about how the President should not have instituted that executive order on immigration. Dana bash was covering that presser. She joins us now with more. Hi, Dana.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Hi, Carol. And all of those things that you just mentioned, they don't sound like they should interact with one another and that they should depend on the other but they actually do and here's why. The government runs out of money in just nine days on December 11, unless Congress passes legislation to keep the government running. And there has been a lot of pressure from some of the more conservative groups, outside groups, really, on Republicans here in Congress to use their power of the purse to try to choke funding for the departments and the government that will be responsible for implementing the President's immigration executive order. However, what you heard the House Speaker say in a way that wasn't necessarily intended to give us all a sound bite but it was very clear from the reporting about what happened in a meeting that he just had this morning is that he made clear to his rank-and-file Republicans that they are not going to go along with that strategy because he didn't use these words, I'm told, but they all know, it could lead to another government shutdown. That really appears to be off the table even from some of the most conservative members of the House Republican caucus, Carol, who we talked to in these hallways. Just real briefly, what their plan seems to be is to fund the entire government for a year except for the Department of Homeland Security and just have kind of a stopgap for a few months on that to give them time to figure out if they can do anything with regard to funding to beat back the President's immigration executive order. But the bottom line is that most Republicans say it is going to be very, very tough. The President has them in a box. Very tough to do anything with the power of the purse to stop the President from giving what amounts to legal status for about five million people in this country.
[Costello:] All right, Dana Bash reporting live from Capitol Hill. Thanks so much. I'll be right back.

[Zoraida Sambolin, Cnn Anchor:] And five months of emotional testimony comes to a close. The case now in the hands of the jury. The question, who is responsible for Michael Jackson's death?
[Unidentified Male:] Sort of running for high office.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Uh-huh. Could there be another Clinton with her eye on the White House? Chelsea Clinton on the record about her possible ambitions for political office.
[Sambolin:] That is one smart cookie. I was watching her interview and her mannerisms are so much like her mom.
[Berman:] She's been in the public eye now over 20 years. You know? She knows how to
[Sambolin:] She knows how to handle it. That's right. Welcome back to EARLY START. Glad you're with us. I'm Zoraida Sambolin.
[Berman:] And I'm John Berman. About 31 minutes after the hour right now.
[Sambolin:] A new U.N. report on climate change just came out overnight. It presents the strongest evidence yet that human activities are largely to blame for the warming of the planet. The panel scientists peg it to a 95 percent certainty. The report is a first issued in six years by the U.N.'s intergovernmental panel on climate change. Our Indra Petersons is breaking it all down for us. Indra, what does it say?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] I mean, it's that big finding. It's that number right there, 95 percent sure. They're confident now that humans are playing a huge role in climate change. Not to say it's occurring but that humans are playing that role and that has gone up since 2007 where it was 90 percent. But even, look at this jump from 2001 where it's only 66 percent. So, that confidence is growing amongst this group. So, who is this group? That's what everyone wants to know. Well, it has 250 authors from 39 countries. It's part of the U.N. here. You have a thousand experts in all these different fields nominated by each other. So, scientists nominating each other and then you get this big group of expert scientists and then you take this report and it's analyzed line by line from politicians around the world so that they can understand that and make this information effective in their policy making going forward. So, that's the purpose behind the report. So, we know what to do with the information. Now, the big thing, I think, most people know when we talk about climate change is carbon emissions. They have been steadily been going up since the 1950s, 1970s. And with that, temperatures have been going up about 0.22 degrees per decade or since the 1950s about a degree Celsius. Now, one of the reasons we talked about, that is why this is matter when it talks about ocean temperatures. Well, if it's warmer, then the ocean expands. So, with that, you have sea level rise. Think about Sandy and the role this played. So, here is the spectrum. If you have carbon emissions continuing on this high spectrum, by 2100, you could be talking about an extra three feet of that water being higher. Now, people start to reduce their emissions, we could see that below a foot. But either way, even if we stopped emitting carbon right now, it's already there. Those emissions are going to be high. The skepticism on this, this only counts for the water that's already there. If it's warm and the Greenland ice sheet melts, you already have more water in the first place. This number could go up as high as 20 feet. And a lot of people are upset. They're saying, what about that? I mean, that makes a huge difference in planning going forward.
[Berman:] That's devastating. I mean, three feet devastating. Twenty feet is unimaginable.
[Petersons:] Right. You can imagine all the controversy here with these numbers.
[Sambolin:] Just scary information and the question is, what do you do with it, right? How do you affect some change? Thank you so much, Indra. Appreciate it.
[Berman:] Talking about scary and what do you do about it. Just three days left for Congress to avert a government shutdown. The Senate today is expected to vote on a stop gap funding bill that strips out language in the House passed version which would defund Obamacare. That sends it back to the House where lawmakers might try to beat the shutdown deadline. That is not the only issue that Congress and the White House are facing. There is also the potential for a default without raising the debt ceiling. It's a separate issue from the government shutdown. Republicans say they will raise the debt ceiling under certain conditions. The president says he is not going to play that game.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] To suggest America not pay its bills just to try to blackmail a president into giving them some concessions on issues that have nothing to do with the budget. I mean, this is the United States of America. We're not a deadbeat nation.
[Rep. John Boehner,  House Speaker:] The president says, "I'm not going to negotiate." Well, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.
[Rep. Eric Cantor,  Virginia:] We call the president now to sit down with us, Harry Reid to sit down with us and let's solve the problem.
[Berman:] Republican leaders point to new polls that they say suggest Americans want the president to actually negotiate on the issue of the debt ceiling. We'll see.
[Sambolin:] And after five months of testimony, jurors in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial are now actually deliberating that case. Singer's family is suing concert promoter, AEG Live, for billions of dollars. They're claiming the company that promoted Jackson's comeback concert is liable for his death as well. Here's Casey Wian.
[Casey Wian, Cnn Correspondent:] Michael Jackson never got the chance to perform what was supposed to be his ultimate comeback tour in 2009. He died of an overdose of the powerful anesthetic, propofol, administered by Dr. Conrad Murray. In 2011, Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison. Now, a different jury is deciding if concert promoter, AEG Live, must pay potentially billions of dollars to Jackson's heirs because they claim the company negligently hired Murray.
[Brian Panish, Jackson Family Attorney:] Michael Jackson died because a physician who had agreed to accept $150,000 a month, violated his ultimate Hippocratic oath and he was placed in that conflict of interest by AEG and there's no question about that in this case.
[Wian:] AEG Live says Murray was never its employee and that he was entirely controlled by Jackson.
[Marvin Putnam, Aeg Live Attorney:] The people in Michael's life were worried about his propofol use as early as late 1980s, early 1990s. That he was, by the 1990s, using it to sleep at night in hotels. This is in complete contradiction for plaintiffs have claimed which is this idea that, oh, this was a sudden new thing in Michael's life that happened for the first time with Dr. Conrad Murray.
[Wian:] For five months, the jury heard testimony from Jackson's 83- year-old mother, Katherine, his ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, and by videotape, two of his three children. Fifteen-year-old Paris Jackson survived a suicide attempt during the trial. Other dramatic moments included the playing of Jackson family home movies never before seen publicly and the testimony of a Harvard doctor who said a physically deteriorating Jackson did not get REM sleep for 60 straight days while receiving propofol from Dr. Murray. Casey Wian, CNN, Los Angeles.
[Sambolin:] Thirty-seven minutes past the hour. A fight between fans of rival baseball teams turns deadly in California. Jonathan Denver was wearing Los Angeles Dodgers gear Wednesday night as he walked with family and friends near the San Francisco Giants ballpark. They encountered a group of Giants fans leaving a nightclub. An argument ensued. It turned physical and Denver was stabbed to death. One man has been arrested, and police are looking for two more.
[Louie Padilla, Neighbor Of Victim's Family:] Just a tragedy and we have to stop! We have to stop and understand this is America's pastime. It's a great game.
[Sambolin:] That's insane. Sadly, this is not the first time the DodgersGiants rivalry has turned violent. Giants fan, Brian Stowe, was attacked by two Dodgers fans after a game in Los Angeles. That was two years ago. He is still recovering from his injuries.
[Berman:] That's just unnecessary and unacceptable. Thirty-eight minutes after the hour. The mother of a 14-year-old rape victim says the former Montana teacher who served just 30 days for the crime is still skating justice. Stacey Rambold was released from jail Thursday. He wanted no part of questions from CNN as he checked in with his parole officer. He later left. The Montana judge who issued the sentence is now the target of protesters who want him removed from the bench and say they want to make sure something like this never happens again.
[Marian Bradley, Montana Now:] I think I think as long as we know that it's happening, we can acknowledge it and we can do something to change it.
[Berman:] Prosecutors of appeal Stacey Rambold's sentence. He is now a registered sex offender.
[Sambolin:] All passengers are safe and sound after a flight from Houston to Seattle had to be diverted. Why? The pilot had a heart attack. United flight 1603 landed in Boise, Idaho, last night. The pilot was then taken to a local hospital. The 161 passengers and six crew members were re-boarded and flown to Seattle. I hope that pilot is doing well this morning.
[Berman:] Yes. All right. We have some video out of Boston. You really just have to see. Three people jumped into action to rescue a man who had tumbled onto the subway tracks. You can see you could have seen just before the man walk off the edge of the platform and lying on the tracks before the people jump in there to help. Really brave people. A spokesman for the Mass Bay Transit authority says the trains were actually stopped at the time, so the man was never in danger of being struck, but you know, who knows if those people knew that.
[Sambolin:] See the guy with the baseball cap, he actually came all the way from the other side in order to help.
[Berman:] A lot of people there doing the right thing, helping out. And as you said, from far away in that case.
[Sambolin:] That's fantastic. It's nice to see that. All right. The federal government investing in a Motown comeback? Top White House officials are heading to Detroit today to propose almost $300 million in combined federal and private aid. The first infusion would reportedly be used to clear and redevelop rundown properties, improve transportation, and boost the police department. About two months ago, Detroit became the largest city ever to file for bankruptcy.
[Berman:] Hillary Clinton may be on the fence about running, maybe not. That may be an exaggeration. But her former husband I know, excuse me, her husband former president, Bill Clinton, told our Piers Morgan that she would make great president in 2016. Over time, though, he says his daughter would make an even better commander in chief. Well, the question is, is Chelsea interested in following in her parents' footsteps? She played a little bit coy with Piers Morgan.
[Piers Morgan, Piers Morgan Live Anchor:] Have you ever thought of running for high office?
[Chelsea Clinton, Vice Chair, The Clinton Foundation:] Well, Piers, people have been asking me that question for as long as I can remember. Literally, one of my
[Morgan:] What's the truthful answer?
[Clinton:] Well, the truthful answer is, thankfully, the truthful answer, I guess. And I'm deeply grateful for my life now. I love my life. I love being able to do this work.
[Morgan:] That's a brilliant politician's answer. This is what I mean. This is why you'd be so perfect talk an entire minute without referring remotely to either yes or no.
[Clinton:] Well, the answer is I don't know. And that is the honest answer because, right now, I am grateful for my life.
[Berman:] That was a CNN interview last sorry. The CNN interview last month, Chelsea said she was open to the idea someday if she didn't like how her city, state, or country was being run.
[Sambolin:] Well, talk about your catch of the day. Check this out. A team of alligator hunters in Lakeland, Florida is celebrating their giant catch. A 12-foot gator that was double the weight of them and the boat combined.
[Harris Woodsby, Gator Hunter:] Two people, 565-pound alligator. There's no way we could get him in the boat. He just stands on the bottom that's 20 feet deep. It's a big time rush. I mean, I think that's what keeps us going back every year.
[Sambolin:] Good gracious. Every week, we have a new record with a gator. Good thing the gator is not alive. Meantime, did you see the little baby touching the gator? You wouldn't even if it was dead, would you, Berman? Look at you.
[Berman:] I've wrestled an alligator.
[Sambolin:] He's sweating. He's sweating right now.
[Berman:] I have wrestled an alligator.
[Sambolin:] All right. Four guys caught their own gator in Lake Seminole, Georgia. The digits, pretty impressive, 13 feet, 10 and three-quarter inches long, 620 pounds. It took all four of them just to hold it up.
[Berman:] Those are some big alligators. You know, we've been doing a lot of these alligator stories. A lot of people do write us and tweet us saying this is not fun for the alligators. They point out. Just saying.
[Sambolin:] OK.
[Berman:] These are big alligators. They don't like this one bit in any
[Sambolin:] Thank you. Thank you for sharing that perspective. Appreciate it.
[Berman:] That perspective is out there.
[Sambolin:] All right. Coming up
[Unidentified Female:] Might look a little bit different, but, they all want to do the same thing. They all want to be accepted for who they are.
[Sambolin:] Controversy sparked when a high school tells a 16-year-old cheerleader with Down syndrome to take a seat.

[Baldwin:] Eric Frein, this alleged cop killing survivalist, might have made a huge mistake. This woman in central Pennsylvania said she saw Eric Frein this past Friday night southwest of the grid where the police mounted this concerted month-long manhunt. And this tip is a good one according to authorities.
[Lt. Col. George Bivens, Pennsylvania State Police:] He was reported in the area of the Poconos Mountain East High School. An individual's description was consistent with Frein and he was observed carrying a rifle.
[Baldwin:] This Frein guy is an odd one. He has a thing for dressing up like a soldier. He's been known to smoke Serbian cigarettes and he's alluded capture since September 12th when he allegedly shot two police officers, killing one out of state barracks. On the phone now is survivalist, Cody Lundin. He's the former co-host of "Dual Survival" on the Discovery Channel. Cody Lundin, welcome.
[Cody Lundin, Survivalist:] Hi, Brooke. Thanks for having me.
[Baldwin:] Eric Frein may have allowed himself to be seen, as apparently he has a few times before, he's been spotted. What is this most recent account? What does it sound like to you? Might it be a sign of desperation? Is he getting careless?
[Lundin:] He supposedly planned this for two years. If you plan something for two years, you obviously have a heads-up. He's also in his own backyard, unlike people that are looking for him. He has advantages and he's being highly motivated because he'll either be shot or arrested when they find him. With that motivation, with that knowledge and background of terrain and that much advanced planning we didn't do that for the Iraq War so he definitely has an advantage. We'll see what happens after this.
[Baldwin:] So this is his home turf. He knows it. Still, it's getting cold. How is he surviving the nights in the Poconos? And what is he eating?
[Lundin:] I would say since he's had advance preparation, he's eating food he stashed or stored or has stolen or is stealing. He's prepared. He has stashes out there of food, gear, sleeping bags, whatever he needs. If you have two years and you hung out with me, we could build an entire town in the woods. That's a lot of time to plan this out. He could have anything, from rat holes to places to hang out for weeks at a time and be unseen.
[Baldwin:] With these multiple stashes and with this town here, this guy could be prepared to hide a long time.
[Lundin:] Yeah, he could. Again, he's been sighted so he'll probably get caught. They always do get caught. But I want to impress upon the fact that when you're on your home turf you can look at that in Iraq and look at that in Vietnam they have the advantage. He knows his backyard. Will he get caught? Yes, I'm sure he'll get caught. Does he have a few advantages? Yes, he does. The main thing being two years of prep time.
[Baldwin:] This made me think of my producer and I'm remembering the Olympic Park bomber, Eric Robert Rudolph. He hid out in the forests of North Carolina for five years before they got him. He was apprehended looking for food in a dumpster. I know you said he could be prepared to the hills with food but could that be an Achilles' heel down the road? He gets hungry.
[Lundin:] Yes. The Achilles' heel is people are looking for him and that puts a lot of stress. I used to live illegally in the woods in a brush shelter for two years. We're not on the air, right, Brooke?
[Baldwin:] Right. Not on the air. You didn't tell anyone that.
[Lundin:] I know what it's like to have that psychological stress of not wanting to be found and it's a pain in the butt, frankly. That will tip him over the edge more than anything is the psychological stress, which is tearing the body down with adrenaline, about he's being pursued and looked for and he's a wanted man, and eventually they'll find him.
[Baldwin:] If he's not just back on the food issue because I'm fascinated by your experience if he has stashes, would that mean he wouldn't have to have a fire? It's cold at night. You would think there would be fires and smoke. They would find him.
[Lundin:] You don't need a fire if you have proper clothing. I just got done with an outdoor survival course yesterday. With proper clothing and things, sleeping bags, you don't need to have fire whatsoever. With LED lights under ground, you don't need all that stuff. If he has canned food or stuff that doesn't need cooking, he could be good to go for several weeks or months.
[Baldwin:] Cody Lundin, thank you for coming on. And your story about living in the woods illegally, safe with me. No problems.

[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news overnight: tragedy when a South Korean ferry sinks into the sea there, rescuers racing the clock to get people to safety this morning. Hundreds reported missing, the very latest ahead.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now, the underwater search for missing Flight 370. That search resumes. The Bluefin submarine combing the seabed for the second day. Can it find any sign of the vanished jetliner and will it be able to withstand the very deep depths of the search. We're live with the very latest this morning.
[Blackwell:] Violence in the streets of Ukraine this morning. Troops taking on pro-Russian protesters who have occupied government buildings for day. Demonstrators not backing down. Is civil war imminent and could Russia be scheming to tear this country apart? We are live. Good morning. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm Victor Blackwell.
[Romans:] Nice to see you again today. I'm Christine Romans. It's Wednesday, April 16th. It's 5:00 a.m. on the nose in the East.
[Blackwell:] Up first, the breaking news overnight: a desperate rescue off the coast of South Korea where a ferry capsized and sank, carrying hundreds of passengers, many of them students. Officials say many have been rescued but nearly 300 are still missing, and two are confirmed dead. It's unclear what caused the vote to sink, but witnesses say they heard a loud bump just before the ship began to lift. And right now, U.S. Navy warship is en route to help with the rescue. We'll take you live to South Korea for the very latest in just a few minutes.
[Romans:] Now to what's happening right now deep in the Indian Ocean. An unmanned vehicle, Bluefin 21, scanning the ocean floor looking for any debris from Flight 370, missing now for 40 days. This is a slow process set to go on several more hours. They may not know for hours longer, just what it found, if anything. Erin McLaughlin is live in Perth with the latest. Erin, the sub did come back to the surface for some technical problems. They did download the data from the earlier search. Did they find anything?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Christine. No, they did not find objects of interest from that information that they managed to download. But I think the good news here is they put, despite the technical glitch, they put the Bluefin-21 straight back down into the water to begin searching again. Many are questioning whether the Bluefin-21 is up to the task at hand, given that it is operating in the upper region of its depth capacity. Engineers having looked at it and saying, well, actually, it can go some five kilometers beneath the ocean surface instead of the 4.5 that was originally thought, that it would need be reprogrammed in order to that. But I think the important thing to remember here is it's very, very difficult to operate at the depth. Consider the pressure. Some 2.5 family vehicles worth per inch on any underwater submersible operating at some of these depths. And then you have the terrain, relatively unknown to man. They think it's flat and rolling, but they're not entirely sure. And whatever is down there, the Bluefin-21 is going to have to be able to navigate. And then consider on top of that, the silt on the ocean floor. They think it's there. They're not sure how, it's further complicating the picture literally. It could interfere potentially with the Bluefin- 21's ability to take sonar imaging. So, all of that factors considered, it is a monumental task ahead. And we understand that it's still beneath those waters searching. No word on when it will resurface again Christine.
[Romans:] Erin McLaughlin for us this morning this afternoon for her in Perth, Australia. Now, the Bluefin-21 scanning the ocean floor using sonar, bouncing sound waves off the seabed. Many objects that create a map of what might be down there. This area of the Indian Ocean is uncharted and it's not clear what the Bluefin 21 might find. But oceanographers say it's a search perfectly suited for an unmanned sub.
[Unidentified Male:] For all that I've known in doing oceanography now for 30 years, I think the worst thing to do is send a manned vehicle down. I think everything we learned is that, you know, if you look at the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, they were able to fix that with what we call an ROV, remote operational vehicle. We have lots of experience with deploying remote operational vehicles that can cut, hold wrenches, they can do things and certainly can bring black boxes up and they can work 247. If you're
[Blackwell:] For the families who have loved ones on Flight 370, the reality may finally be settling in. Forty days after the jet went missing, that it might be a very long time before the plane is found. Ivan Watson is live in Beijing where he's been talking with the families this morning. Ivan, 40 days on, understandably, they are frustrated.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] That's right. An explosion of anger here at Beijing's Lido Hotel which is one of the hotels where many of the relatives of the 154 Chinese passengers of Flight MH370 have been staying at the expense of the Malaysian airlines. We saw dozens of relatives stand-up and storm out of a conference room. While also some of them hurled abuse at Malaysian officials who were supposed to be conducting a video conference session with the relatives via video conference from the capitol of Kuala Lumpur. Well, the audio didn't work. The officials were sitting up there 20 minutes on screen, on video screen. There was no communication between the sides. Finally, these Chinese families stood up en masse in protest and marched out. Some of them hurling abuse at the screen, yelling things like "liars", "shame on you". Later on in the afternoon here, a poor diplomat from Malaysia and another Malaysian Air official, they sat face-to-face with the families as they do every day. It was like a cross-examination. You had representatives of the passengers' families who are asking questions saying they submitted questions in previous sessions and the mid-level officials were unable, just simply did not have the information to answer those questions. You can imagine, Victor, 40 days into this agonizing vigil, the fury, the frustration of some of these Chinese relatives, some of whom were saying you have clearly no respect for our lives or our time. These were the statements being said to the faces of these Malaysian officials saying we are trying our best, this is all we have. It's clearly not enough for these desperate people waiting to hear about some news about their missing loved ones Victor and Christine.
[Blackwell:] Clearly not enough. Ivan Watson in Beijing Ivan, thanks.
[Romans:] Now to the situation in Ukraine growing more dangerous and closer to war by the hour. This morning, there are new reports of tanks on the streets flying Russian flags as the Ukrainian military is now fighting back against pro-Russian militant, retaking an airport, promising to do more to force the militants out of government buildings. This is just one day before Russia, Ukraine, the U.S. and European Union are all going to sit down to find a diplomatic way out of this crisis. Phil Black live in eastern Ukraine for us this morning. Phil, bring us up to speed. What is the latest on the ground there where you are?
[Phil Black, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine, where I'm standing, this is the road to Slaviansk. Slaviansk appears to be the town which is now a focal point for Ukrainian military operation to dislodge, Pro- Russian militants and protesters. It is the town where perhaps more any other across this eastern Ukrainian region, of these pro-Russian forces really consolidated their control, seizing government buildings, setting up roadblocks, not letting Ukrainian government officials in, declaring their intention to break away from Ukraine. Yesterday, we heard the Ukrainian government say it was launching what is called an anti-terror operation. This is really an operation to get these separatist movements that we saw Ukrainian military moved to within a short distance of this town. They seized a nearby airfield there. Where I'm standing now, as I say, from the northern approach to this town, there's a heavily armed police checkpoint here with police checking all the people that are heading south towards Slaviansk. The people, the documents, all the contents of their vehicles and just around the corner from where I am, I can't quite show you, but it looks like another Ukrainian military staging point with a large number of Ukrainian soldiers, armored personnel carriers. They've also been a number of helicopters from this location as well. Military helicopters including attack helicopters. For the moment, these forces are standing back at this distance from the northern side of Slaviansk. The question now is, what are the forces going to try to do? Are they going to try to move into this town and take it back by force or for the moment, are they simply content with circling it and cutting it off? That decision, those movements will really determine just how this escalating situation lays out over the course of today and indeed, possibly, the coming days and weeks as well, Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Phil Black for us this morning in Ukraine thanks, Phil.
[Blackwell:] The breaking news this morning: a terrifying scene off of the coast of South Korea. A packed ferry suddenly sinks. Frantic rescues are happening now with hundreds of people reported missing. We are live, next.

[Cuomo:] Let's go to the couch. Walk. Couch activities.
[Marquez:] I'm getting into it.
[Cuomo:] To the couch, I'm ready. Two teachers from South Carolina are being called heroes because they are. Why? They saved a bus full of children. They lept into action after the driver became disoriented. They have to take the wheel, stopped the bus from rolling over after veering into a ditch. We're happy to welcome fourth grade teacher, Amy Ryan and sign language expert and interpreter, Lee Morris. Thank you for being here with us on NEW DAY. All right, so first, help us understand what happened here. You're in the bus as you saw it, how did you get into this situation?
[Lee Morris, Sign Language Expert:] Well, it was kind of surprising. You can see from the video I was about to sit back and get a little shut eye. That's when I heard the screaming, the stop stop sign being yelled. I looked up and noticed we were about to roll through that intersection without stopping. And the bus driver, he did make a little bit of a turn p. That put us through the intersection to the ditch and as we came back out that's when I was able to jump up and grab the wheel to help out.
[Cuomo:] So what's your best sense about why you blew through the stop sign and wound up in this situation? You know, we use the word disoriented? Is that what you were able to figure out, Amy, from the driver or he's just blow through the stop sign? What do you think happened?
[Amy Ryan, Fourth Grade Teacher:] We're not sure exactly even at this moment what happened to the bus driver. I do remember we were all yelling stop, stop, stop! And it didn't appear that he even put the brakes on at all. So I can't even speculate what happened. But it didn't appear that he he didn't say anything, so disoriented, I guess, is the best word to describe what happened.
[Bolduan:] So Lee grabs the steering wheel and then you jump into action. What's going through your mind because you basically it looks like jump over him to then hit the brakes in order to help the bus stop? What do you remember thinking when this is all happening?
[Ryan:] Honestly, I remember thinking I have seen this on the news. I cannot believe this is I'm in this situation, this is happening to me. At that moment I don't think I was fearful. I was very scared when we went through the stop sign. I was very scared when we when it felt like we were going to tip. At that moment, when I actually went over the bus driver to get to the brakes, I don't think I was scared at that moment. I just knew the bus had to stop.
[Morris:] It's one of those situations where you they always say you don't think about what you're doing, and we didn't. Once the bus came out of the dip we just jumped up and started acting.
[Marquez:] Your reactions were so quick. Hearing the kids' voices on that video is the most disturbing, the screams. When this bus finally came to a stop, what happened in that bus?
[Ryan:] We both what I think is truly amazing is that there were two other teachers on the bus, Mr. Morris and myself and nobody said anything. We all just did something. Lee made calls to 911 and the police. I called the school. The other two teachers were consoling the children. So and once the bus came to a stop, the screams ended, the children were crying, some of them, but they were very, very calm. So it didn't it wasn't a chaotic situation, which we're so thankful for. It could have been, very scary. But I think the children trusts us, which I think is a big deal. That's sort of what I keep thinking about is how much trust they put in us.
[Cuomo:] They certainly do now. We're dealing with a tender age, fourth graders, 9-year-old kids basically. You know, so fragile still, Amy, you've got some serious rise, the way you catapulted up over that driver, do you think that was adrenaline or do you think you have track star background or something like that that allowed you to do that?
[Ryan:] I run a little bit but I don't think that had anything to do with it. I think I just wanted it stopped.
[Cuomo:] I mean, that was amazing. So many thankful families for you guys now, amazing presents, those families, coming this Christmas and your own as well because you're going to make it home.
[Bolduan:] A parent even riding behind the bus who said, the way she described it, is she felt so powerless seeing it teetering on the point where it could tip over. I can only imagine how thankful they are for you guys this year.
[Cuomo:] Lee, Amy, thank you for stepping up and being heroes. I don't care if you don't like the word, that's what it is.
[Ryan:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] All the best of the holidays to you and your families.
[Ryan:] You, as well.
[Bolduan:] Amazing when you see that video.
[Cuomo:] Most do nothing
[Bolduan:] I know.
[Cuomo:] in a situation like that shocked.
[Marquez:] Scared.
[Cuomo:] Shocked.
[Marquez:] Scared. Sure, you're scared and not sure what's going on. For them to jump on that driver, he even got out of the seat.
[Cuomo:] Extraordinary to do anything, moving the driver, getting around, and her with that Carl Lewis move there. Amazing.
[Bolduan:] Good to highlight them, too. Coming up next on NEW DAY, we now know his fate. The American held in prison in the United Arab Emirates for posting a joke video online. He gets a one-year sentence. His brother will be joining us live to tell us what is next in their fight to bring their brother back.
[Cuomo:] And a dad blasted online after this. It's him and his 4-year- old. He's having him run alongside his car, being tough and faster for football. It's getting called parent abuse. People are all over them, death threats, controversy, nontroversy. We'll talk about it coming up.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now in the NEWSROOM
[Unidentified Female:] It started with like a fight and then they just broke out like they were tipping port-a-potties and everyone was just running down Main Street.
[Costello:] Oh, it was ugly. So much for laid-back surfers, police had to use pepper spray and tear gas to calm the crowd after a California surfing competition. Pope Francis says he's in no position to judge gay church members. And that's not all he talked about today women, divorce, church corruption. Wait until you hear what the Pope had to say about all of those things. The time, 12:00 noon sharp. The place, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The guest list, just two. Hillary Clinton is coming to lunch at the White House. Plus, vegans and stray animals win big as the co-creator of "The Simpsons" races to give away his fortune. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Good morning. Thank you so much for being with me. I'm Carol Costello in Washington this morning. We begin with a cathedral in Spain that's getting ready to hold a memorial tonight for the 79 victims of last week's deadly train derailment. One of those being remembered tonight will be Merda Farcia of Houston, one of two Americans killed in that crash. She and her husband were heading to a Catholic festival. He survived and her family is remembering the woman they lost.
[Brian Buerkett, Victim's Son-in-law:] One of the best women I've ever met, a great mother, a beautiful person inside and out, wonderful soul. She's been an amazing person to anyone she's ever come in contact with.
[Costello:] In the meantime, the driver of that train has now been charged with 79 counts of homicide and a judge has set the condition force his release from jail. Karl Penhaul is live in Spain this morning. The conductor has admitted as much, he was going too fast and he was doing it on purpose?
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn International Correspondent:] No, not really, Carol. I mean, there has been a lot of speculation about that and there have been parts of alleged conversations that he's had been leaked to certain members of the Spanish media. But as far as the investigation itself is concerned, what both the politicians and the investigators have said is that they are keeping an open mind on all factors. Yes, speed does seem to have been a factor. They limit the speed on that curve where the train derailed is about 45 miles an hour and certainly from that chilling surveillance camera that we've seen, the train seemed to be going a lot faster, but it's still in dispute, very much so, about what the driver did say and didn't say in the moments before and after the accident and that is something that the investigators will be looking at. And amongst the evidence they will be combing through are the black boxes from the train. We understand those haven't been opened yet. But yes, the train driver, as you say, now accused, formally charged actually of 79 counts of reckless homicide. But he was released conditionally on the condition that he came every week and reported to the judge. His passport has been withdrawn so he can't travel outside the country and of course, at least while the investigation is going on, his train driver's license has been suspended Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Karl Penhaul reporting live for us this morning. A weekend of spiritual renewal for dozens of people at one of the most visited Catholic shrines in the world, but their bus ride home ended tragically, too, in Italy. At least 38 people were killed when their bus plunged off a bridge near Naples, Italy last night. Only ten people survived. The bus fell nearly 30 feet into a wooded area, damaged cars and broken guard rails were left in its wake. Investigators now looking into the possibility the bus may have had mechanical problems just before it crashed. San Diego Mayor Bob Filner says he's staying put despite calls for him to resign amid allegations the mayor has sexually harassed seven women. CNN's Stephanie Elam has the latest on what the mayor plans to do next.
[Mayor Bob Filner , San Diego:] I apologize to the people of San Diego and most of all I apologize to the women that I have offended.
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] Apologizing once again, San Diego Mayor Bob Filner is still refusing to resign instead he plans to go to therapy.
[Filner:] On August 5th, I will be entering a behavior counseling clinic to undergo two weeks of intensive therapy to begin the process of addressing my behavior.
[Elam:] But the drum beat for his resignation continues now that seven women have publicly accused the mayor of inappropriate conduct.
[Unidentified Female:] He got very close to me and he ran his finger up my cheek, like this, and he whispered to me, do you have a man in your life? I turned and he just slobbered down my chin and I was so violated.
[Elam:] Laura Fink worked for Filner in 2005. She says he grope her at a fundraising dinner.
[Laura Fink, Worked For Filner In 2005:] One of the guests said, you should be nice to this girl because she's worked her behind off for you. He then proceeded to tell me to turn around, which I did and he then patted me on the behinds and laughed and said, no, it's still there.
[Elam:] Fellow Democrats like Senator Dianne Feinstein are joining the growing calls for Filner to go.
[Senator Dianne Feinstein , California:] I don't think that somebody who is lacking a moral compass really sets a role model or really will provide the kind of leadership that San Diegans want.
[Elam:] In a new poll conducted last week by the San Diego Union Tribune, 60 percent of the San Diegans polled said they believe Filner will ultimately be recalled. The numbers not in Filner's favor just by gender or political affiliation and a majority believe the sexual harassment allegations against the mayor are true. Now, a couple of the women who have already publicly accused the mayor of inappropriate conduct have also said that this plan for him to go to therapy is just too little and is not going to make a difference. The other thing that we should also note about this is that the process to begin recalling Filner is on its way. There is a citizens group that plans on having a press conference this evening at 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time and they will then say that they are going to do what they need to do to get him out of the office if he will not resign Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Stephanie Elam, reporting live for us from Los Angeles this morning. New details emerging about the first sexting scandal that led Anthony Weiner to resign from Congress, as his run for New York mayor reaches a critical junction, there's this. According to the "New York Daily News" Weiner's congressional campaign spent more than $43,000 to find out who hacked Weiner's Twitter account and sent out all of those lewd photos. Of course, we now know that Weiner knew along who sent out all those lewd photos. It was the congressman himself, Anthony Weiner. And this morning, Weiner faces a similar scandal in his run for mayor. And now he's without a campaign manager. Danny Ketam left the campaign this weekend. No word on who will take over that job. A quiz for you this morning, are you ready? Who said this, quote, "If a person is gay and accepts the Lord, and has goodwill, who am I to judge them?, end quote. If you said Pope Francis, you get a big gold star this morning. Catholics are a little taken aback because of what the pope said. In fact, they are taken aback because of so many things the pope said. Maybe that's why so many millions of hopeful Catholics flocked to Pope Francis on that beach in Brazil. Yes, we know he's a rock star, but we didn't know he'd be quite this controversial. John Allen is CNN's Vatican analyst. He is with me now. Good morning, John.
[John Allen, Cnn Senior Vatican Analyst:] Hi, Carol. I want you to know I would have passed that quiz because I was on the pope's plane when he made that remark that you just quoted.
[Costello:] Well, tell me about his demeanor. He was reportedly relaxed and laughing?
[Allen:] Yes, first of all, this is not unprecedented. In the early John Paul years, John Paul would always come back to the plane and conduct these kinds of free-wheeling spontaneous exchanges usually in about six languages. It almost made you feel stupid sitting there listening to him. We haven't seen that for a long time. When he got older and more frail he couldn't do that. Benedict, when he would meet the press, always had this very carefully controlled appears whereas Francis today basically came back, Carol, and asked, what have you got? For an hour and 20 minutes he answered questions under every topic of the sun. No notes, no rehearsal, not a single question that he ducked. As somebody who gets paid to follow the pope around and watch him do this thing, I have to tell you. This was a fairly remarkable experience, flying back with Francis from Rio De Janeiro. And one of the three million people that he brought to Copacabana Beach, the beach was going to be known as popacabana rather than Copacabana.
[Costello:] OK, let's go back to one of his statements. He said, if a person is gay and has goodwill and accepts the Lord, who am I to judge them? Why might Catholics be taken aback by this statement?
[Allen:] Well, I think it's the tone rather than the substance of it. I mean, if the level of substance, this is not a change in church teaching. It has always been in the books in terms of the Catholic catechism, as the formal code of teaching, that homosexual persons are to be treated with respect and love. I think in terms of perception, what gays and lesbians often hear from the Catholic Church is precisely judgment. To hear a pope saying I don't judge you, in terms of perceptions of welcoming and outreach and trying to change the way the church is seen. The message it's trying to deliver, I think that's what has got people worked up.
[Costello:] The other thing, the pope recently said something about atheist. He said an atheist could get into heaven if an atheist performed good things on earth. He said women should have a greater role in the church although he doesn't know what that is yet. These are really interesting things the pope is saying.
[Allen:] Yes. You know, I think in some ways we've already called Pope Francis the pope of the poor because this is a pope who has a deep love of the poor. While he was in Brazil he visited a Brazilian slum and said the measure of society is greatness is how it treats the poorest in that society. But I think in the end, Carol, we might refer to him as everybody's pope. He has an outreach for everyone. He's reached and I don't know if there's going to be a constituency done on the planet, but he's gotten love from Pope Francis.
[Costello:] Interesting. John Allen, reporting live for us this morning, thank you so much. Police have restored order finally in Huntington Beach, California, after a huge fight broke out in the streets. Watch. It's crazy, right? The violence erupted at the end of the U.S. open of surfing. It was actually a surfing and skating event when officers first tried to disperse the crowd, the crowd moved into the downtown area and, as you can see, people were still fighting and they were also damaging property.
[Unidentified Female:] It started with like a fight and then it just broke out. They were tipping port-a-potties and everyone was just running down Main Street.
[Costello:] There's the port-a-potty video. I hope no one was in any of those port-a-potties. No injuries were reported. Police arrested eight people and they are looking for more suspects. They are also asking the public for any video or pictures so they can make more arrests. More charges expected for a man accused of causing a horrific boating crash. Jojo John, the driver of the boat is facing vehicular manslaughter and assault. This crash involved a bride-to-be. The bride-to-be was killed and also killed was the best man in the wedding party. His body was recovered yesterday. Four others were injured when the boat slammed into a parked barge at night. Alcohol may have been a factor and the barge may have not been properly lit. We'll keep you posted. Investigators in France trying, searching for clues in one of the country's biggest jewel heist, an armed robber made off with about $53 million worth of precious gems. It was the third such heist around the city of Cannes since May. An unbelievable story about the spirit of giving, Sam Simon, one of the Simpsons co-creators announced he is giving away his television fortune to charity, the announcement coming on the heels of his cancer diagnosis. He's been given only a few more months left to live. Alison Kosik is in New York with more on this story and what a touching thing to do.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Yes, you know, you hear a story like this and it really puts things in perspective. Here's a guy who is diagnosed with terminal colon cancer. He's got maybe six months to live. He's not thinking of himself, he's thinking of how to help others. We're talking about Sam Simon. He is a co-creator of "The Simpsons." He's given away his "Simpsons Royalty," the money is going to animal rights, to children's charities and he has his own foundation, the Sam Simon Foundation, it rescues dogs and works with veterans and hearing impaired. He's got a lot of money but he's not focusing on his own fate. He's focused on leaving a legacy, which helps others by leaving a good portion of his money to causes that he cares about Carol.
[Costello:] Alison Kosik, thanks so much. Cars buried under water. Anyway, there was terrible flooding in North Carolina, as you can see we had to rescue drivers from their cars. We'll tell you more when NEWSROOM continues.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] Verdict outrage continues. Protesters again taking to the streets overnight by the thousands across the country demanding justice in Trayvon Martin's death.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Partners in crime. New information about hidden weapons discovered on board a North Korean ship. Is the communist country secretly arming Cuba?
[Lemon:] And if you think it is hot now, you just wait. The summer's first major heat wave intensifies. How high will the mercury rise?
[Romans:] I don't know if I want to know. Good morning. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[Lemon:] Oh, you're certainly going to find out.
[Romans:] I know, I know.
[Lemon:] I'm Don Lemon. It is Wednesday, July 17th, 5:00 a.m. here on the East.
[Romans:] All right. We begin with more fallout from the acquittal of George Zimmerman. The neighborhood watch volunteer was found not guilty of all charges, of course, Saturday. But as Miguel Marquez tells us, anger remains high.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] The call for justice now in the Florida governor's office, a sit-in demanding the reversal of the state's "Stand Your Ground" laws. Protesters vowing to stay until they speak directly to Governor Rick Scott. This, as we are hearing more from the only juror speaking out. Juror B-37 saying they wanted to find George Zimmerman guilty of something, but the evidence in law just didn't add up.
[Juror B-37:] I feel bad that we can't give them the verdict that they wanted. But legally, we could not do that.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Do you think Trayvon Martin played a role in his own death?
[Juror B-37:] Oh, I believe he played a huge role in his death. He could have when George confronted him and he could have walked away and gone home. He didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight.
[Marquez:] And four other jurors now speaking out, saying B-37 doesn't speak for them. In a statement saying, "Serving on this jury has been highly emotional and physically training experience for each of us. The death of a teenager weighed heavily on our hearts, but in the end, we did what the law required us to do." Frustration at that decision turning to protest and calls for action. [on camera]: These protesters here in Los Angeles have come to police headquarters to make the point that the death of Trayvon Martin has prompted what they hope say national movement. Why are you marching? What do you hope to achieve?
[Unidentified Female:] I'm hoping that at least the DOJ will look at this case and see that his civil rights were I think the civil rights were violated.
[Marquez:] Frustration over the verdict in a few places has turned violent. A photographer and reporter assaulted in allegation.
[Unidentified Male:] Those men just got here. You all right, man?
[Marquez:] Juror B-37 saying the trial weighed heavily on all of them. Even bringing them to tears. Despite all, she still believes their judgment was the right call.
[Cooper:] In your head, you were 100 percent convinced that George Zimmerman in taking out his gun and pulling the trigger did nothing wrong?
[Juror B-37:] I'm 101 percent that he was that he should have done what he did, except for the things that he did before.
[Cooper:] You mean, he shouldn't have gotten out of the car? He shouldn't have pursued Trayvon Martin? But in the final analysis, in the final struggle
[Juror B-37:] When the end came to the end
[Cooper:] he was justified?
[Juror B-37:] he was justified in shooting Trayvon Martin.
[Marquez:] Miguel Marquez, CNN, Los Angeles.
[Lemon:] In the meantime, as the Justice Department investigation continues into whether George Zimmerman should face civil rights charges in Trayvon Martin's death, Attorney General Eric Holder is slamming laws like the one in Florida.
[Eric Holder, Attorney General:] It's time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods. These laws try to fix something that was never broken. There has always been a legal defense for using deadly force if and the "if" is important if no safe retreat is available.
[Lemon:] The attorney general said at the NAACP convention that these laws encourage violent situations to escalate, and that undermines public safety.
[Romans:] Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also commenting on this verdict. Telling a meeting of the African-American sorority Delta Sigma Theta in Washington no mother or father should fear for their child walking down the street in the United States of America.
[Lemon:] And coming up in our next half hour, more of Anderson Cooper's exclusive interview with Juror B-37. You'll hear about the emotions in the jury room before and after the six women reached a verdict.
[Romans:] And interesting, several of the other jurors issued a statement saying the Juror
[B -- Lemon:] Very quickly.
[Romans:] Right. Very quickly issued a statement through the court that juror saying that that juror speaking to Anderson Cooper did not speak for the rest of the jury. I thought that was interesting.
[Lemon:] Yes, I think they would want to separate themselves, saying what I thought was what I thought, not necessarily what this juror thought.
[Romans:] Turning now to another big story this morning. It's something we've been dealing with all week, this heat.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Romans:] It's hot.
[Lemon:] Is it going to be hotter today? Because yesterday, it was crazy. I told Indra Petersons yesterday, she did not follow my advice. And now, she is Times Square
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Hello, Christine and Don. This is the time to actually feel good outside. When you're in Times Square, well, I think the overall hours, 80 feels good. Here's the problem, though, this is where we're getting the relief from the heat. It's only getting warmer from her here. We know what it felt like the last couple of days. In fact, we're getting that intensity again, in the large metropolitan cities today. We're talking about starting the morning off, temperatures 79, 80 degrees here in New York City, 70 percent humidity. I mean, you can feel the stickiness in the air. As we go through the afternoon, remember, it is July, temperatures are normally high. But we're talking about temperatures 10 degrees above normal today. So, we're talking about temperatures in the mid-90s. We're adding in that humanity. So, that's where we have these heat indices. You combine those two factors, and we're talking about feeling like 100 degrees out here. It's not just New York. We're talking about southern New England, where we have Boston throughout. D.C. does not have advisories, but still, you're dealing with that sticky weather. The difference between today and yesterday was that big dip of high pressure that was really focused on the East Coast. Well, that's going to be pushing farther west today. So now, it's not just the Eastern Seaboard. We're talking about all the way from Minneapolis, feeling that hot, sticky air. Advisories from Minneapolis, even from Ohio right through the Ohio Valley, all the way across the Eastern Seaboard. That is what we're going to be dealing with. And we're going to be continuing to see that all the way up until the weekend. We're actually seeing thunderstorms that will bring us the relief. We're going to hang in there.
[Romans:] Hang in there. All right. I think sometimes you get the blame for the weather but I get the blame for the stock market. The stock market is doing great. So, I'll take that. But poor Indra and all this weather we've had lately. Thanks.
[Lemon:] Well, the weather is soaring, too, just like the stock market.
[Romans:] You're right. Well, the feeling is different.
[Lemon:] Yes, it's different. Other news now: Senate Democrats won't have to deploy the nuclear option after all they've reached a deal with Republicans that ends the fight over a handful of presidential nominees whose confirmations have been stalled by filibusters. The first vote on Tuesday was to approve the head of the Financial Consumer Financial Protection board and the president has agreed to replace two of his appointees. Democrats had threatened to use a nuclear option that would have involved rewriting the rules to make it easier to approve executive branch nominations.
[Romans:] The Republican-controlled House votes today on several bills that would delay key elements of Obamacare. The White House has already delayed the employer mandate which would have required small businesses to buy health insurance next year, or face penalties. Excuse me. Today, the House votes on a measure that would delay the individual mandates.
[Lemon:] Well, after days of speculation, a political daughter is now in the running for the U.S. Senate. Liz Cheney is challenging Wyoming three-term Republican incumbent Senator Michael Enzi. She made the announcement in a six-minute video that did not mention Enzi by the name, but was highly critical of President Obama.
[Liz Cheney , U.s. Senate Candidate:] President Obama has launched a war on our Second American rights. He's launched a war on our religious freedom. He's used the IRS to launch a war on our freedom of speech. And he's used the EPA to launch a war on Wyoming's ranchers, our farmers, and our energy industries.
[Lemon:] Cheney faces a tough battle because the national GOP is supporting the incumbent.
[Romans:] All right. The more than 80 passengers who survived the Asiana Airlines crash in San Francisco are filing a lawsuit, going after Boeing, the company, and companies that made parts for the 787. Attorneys say it looks like a faulty auto throttle might have caused the crash. They also say the inflatable seats trapped people in the burning wreckage. Three people died, more than 180 were hurt in that crash.
[Lemon:] Now to the continuing saga of the leaker. NSA leaker Edward Snowden has made it official, applying formally for temporary asylum in Russia. He's been stuck in the Moscow airport for weeks now. And if the request is granted, he could be given the freedom to live in Russia, or possibly even travel abroad for up to a year. It is expected to take up to three months before the government responds.
[Romans:] Microsoft is appealing to Attorney General Eric Holder to allow the tech giants to share more information with the public about how it handles NSA requests for customer information. In a blog post, Microsoft says it tried to open public discussion on information sharing only to be ignored or denied by government lawyers. It claims there were quote significant inaccuracies in recent media reports about leaks to government documents. It denies giving the government direct access to any of its products.
[Lemon:] This is in one of those "you've got to see this" category. OK? Are you paying, Christine Romans?
[Romans:] It's a big fish story?
[Lemon:] It's a
[Romans:] Sorry!
[Lemon:] You stole my thunder. What is it
[Romans:] I know, I know, I'm sorry.
[Lemon:] So, everybody at home watching, sometimes, the rod and reel just aren't enough. A fisherman in Nantucket hooked a seven-foot, 200-pound shark and spent about 45 minutes trying to reel it in. But he had no success. Look at that. Finally, he handed the pole to his cousin, ran into the water and wrestled shark to shore. He took posed for some pictures with the catch, and then let it go. He says the shark wasn't hurt, though.
[Romans:] But everybody was very tired.
[Lemon:] How cool is that?
[Romans:] And now, we've got a big fish story.
[Lemon:] I'd see he's little crazy
[Romans:] There are a lot of sharp teeth. Rows of rows of sharp teeth.
[Lemon:] Now, that's a real man. Arr!
[Romans:] All right. Coming up, international concern this morning. Weapons hidden on board a North Korean ship. Why Cuba is claiming responsibility.
[Lemon:] And cover controversy. A suspected terrorist looking like a rock star?
[Romans:] Oh my!
[Lemon:] The story, next.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Live pictures right now from Ferguson, Missouri. That is one of the buildings that was set ablaze after the grand jury decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown. That set off the protest which is Monday night were violent.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Police moved in quickly to prevent the violence from escalating. Some protesters flipped over a police cruiser and set it on fire, but with the huge National Guard presence, it was much calmer overall than what we saw on Monday. Protests, of course, not only going on in Ferguson.
[Berman:] Later this hour, we'll look at the nationwide reaction. Because if you were watching last night, you saw protest after protest, demonstration after demonstration.
[Pereira:] Mostly peaceful.
[Berman:] Absolutely. All over the country. I guess 170.
[Pereira:] Something like that. Can we also point out that we heard, anecdotally, of people saying that protesters were standing in front of the businesses in Ferguson, arm in arm, sort of essentially protecting them from being looted and destroyed? Some of the people on the ground in Ferguson, that's an important story to mention.
[Berman:] Absolutely.
[Pereira:] Because people have a right to protest. Violently and destructively, not. We want to turn to a story that is a concern for so many people. Some 30 million people from North Carolina all the way to Maine, just in time for Thanksgiving, a messy storm full of snow and rain. Look at the travel delays. Anything in red, that's a concern. We know that this is going to be the busiest Thanksgiving travel week since 2007. Can we show you Virginia? Yeah. Hi, Virginia. We apologize. Already seeing so much snow you're going to have to get that snow blower out earlier than we expected. This is from Bent Mountain on the edge of Roanoke.
[Berman:] Virginia is for lovers and skiers, now, apparently. This is what Washington, D.C., looks like right now. You think there was gridlock already? Now the travel delays in D.C. and other east coast airports could be up to six hours long.
[Pereira:] How about New York City?
[Berman:] New York City is facing up to four inches of snow.
[Pereira:] That's right around Central Park. You don't realize it. I'm kidding, it's not.
[Berman:] That's the Poconos. They're going to get it much, much worse. They could see maybe a foot. In New England the most important region in the country also will be hit hard by this storm. They can see up to a foot of snow.
[Pereira:] 30,000 people could be affected. Our Rosa
[Berman:] That's 30 million. Not to fact check you there.
[Pereira:] Add a couple zeros. Rosa Flores is on the ground in Charlton, Massachusetts, just an hour west of Boston, and she's probably thinking let these two wrap it up and get to me because it's freezing cold outside here. Tell us about the conditions where you are, Rosa, you poor thing.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] The temperature has been dropping. It was a toasty 39 degrees about two hours ago. It's dropped to about 32 degrees. Take a look around me. This is the type of snow we've been seeing for the past two hours. Not much is sticking, as you can see, very little. Especially on the roadways. This is the Massachusetts Turnpike. These are the westbound lanes, all these folks headed towards New York. You can see smooth sailing right now. But let me tell you something, we just saw a tweet from state police, all of these folks, their speed limit going to drop from 65 to 40 when they get to Springfield and all the way to New York because there's a lot more snow as you head west. John and Michaela, if there's an M.O. for this storm, that's it. The further west you travel, the more snow you'll see at this point in time. Back to you.
[Berman:] There's a line here, and when you cross that line, it's ugly. Lots and lots of snow.
[Pereira:] I thought you were thinking of an M.O. as an excuse not to attend that troublesome relative's Thanksgiving feast tomorrow, Rosa. I know that's not you. You'll be there with the people you want to be with. Thanks so much for that report. We should tell you, though, that the concern is, of course, with some of this travel while all the people are looking to get on flights to head to those last-minute flights across the country, something like 200 flights have already been canceled according to flightaware.com. Can we show the map one more time? Are we able to do that? We lost it.
[Berman:] The map went away. Snowed under.
[Pereira:] Washington, New York, Boston, all of that corridor. A lot of delays.
[Berman:] 200 flights isn't a lot unless it's yours.
[Pereira:] But remember, it replicates.
[Berman:] Cascade effect.
[Pereira:] Thank you very much, John. I appreciate that.
[Berman:] Speaking of the weather, there's so many people in so many places, racing to get home for the holiday, I don't want to tell you you're too late, but you probably are. Brian Todd is in a race of his own. Brian Todd is hitting the road to New York and he is battling against Erin McPike, who is flying from Washington, D.C.
[Pereira:] Well, he was there. I think he went to get a Dunkin'Donuts coffee.
[Berman:] That was Brian Todd who, moments ago, was racing by car
[Pereira:] That has worked out brilliantly.
[Berman:] We will check with either the seat or the real Brian Todd later in the show to find out how this ends.
[Pereira:] We'll check in with them. All right, also ahead here, we're going to talk more about Officer Wilson's interview. We talked about his words, but now we want to talk hadn't his body language. Does what does that say? We'll take a look.

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] Quick update on Syria. Syria's foreign minister warns against any possible military strike saying, quote, "Syria is not easy to swallow." The White House says there's little doubt that the chemical weapons were used on a massive scale there. White House Spokesman Jay Carney says the Syrian regime is responsible. This, as Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says the U.S. is quote, "ready to go," if President Obama orders attacks. His comments come days after the U.S. moved warships armed with cruise missiles into the Mediterranean Sea. A senior Defense Department official tells CNN that any strike could be completed in days. Meanwhile, in Syria, U.N. inspectors will not examine suspected chemical attack sites in Damascus for a second day now. They were turned back because of security concerns.
[Martin Luther King Jr, Activist:] I have a dream.
[King:] Let freedom ring.
[Malveaux:] Tomorrow marks 50 years since the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr shared his vision of racial harmony. His "I Have a Dream" speech marked a turning point in this nation's fight for racial equality. King's march on Washington drew more than 200,000 people to the National Mall. Civil rights leader, Jesse Jackson, was part of Dr. King's inner circle. He was in the crowd that day. He was one of Dr. King's advisors. He was just 21 years old at the time and was a student leader. He has since become one of the country's foremost political figures. The Reverend Jesse Jackson joining us from Washington. Reverend, good to see you as always.
[Jesse Jackson, Civil Rights Activist:] Good to see you.
[Malveaux:] I want to talk about that moment that day back in 1963. What was it that stood out in your mind when you were among a sea of people? Did you realize what you were on the precipice.
[Jackson:] So much black and white interaction that was prohibited across much of the South. Hope meant despair and encouragement how this after all, from Texas across to farther up to Maryland. We couldn't use a single public toilet. We could not public facilities by law. Racial apartheid was enforced by law. And that kind of an oasis in that desert. Dr. King took us to another level. It was fair to say it was in a certain climate, the speech, and
[Malveaux:] I want to play a bit. This is King's son. This was over the past weekend. He's talking about his father's vision and his dream. Let's listen for a moment.
[Martin Luther King Iii, Son Of Martin Luther King Jr:] We got to keep walking. We going to keep on talking. We're going to keep on voting. We're going to keep on job building. We're going to keep on educating. We're going to keep on mentoring. We're going to keep on community building. We're going to keep on ending violence. We're going to keep on creating peace. We ain't going to let nobody turn us around.
[Malveaux:] It's all about keeping on. Reverend Jackson, originally, that march was the march on Washington for jobs and freedom. At the time, black unemployment was twice that of white citizens. That figure still remains true today, twice
[Jackson:] It's greater. 50 years later, we're freer but we are less equal. 31 cities where black joblessness above 50 percent. That includes New York City. When New York Mayor Bloomberg says stop and frisk, we say stop and employ or stop and provide access to transportation. Stop and create job training skills. We must not confuse President Obama's role with that of Dr. King. Dr. King is in the Frederick Douglass line. President Obama is in the Abraham Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy line. He will do quite well. What we need from him is a response to the dream. That's what you get from Lyndon Johnson's 1965 speech, speaks to how a commitment to racial justice, gender equality. We need a speech focused on legislation and appropriation.
[Malveaux:] How does the president do that, President Obama? How does he bring create the kind of environment where you have jobs for African-Americans so you don't still see the same disparity?
[Jackson:] Well, these are abandoned urban zones. We can plan for reconstruction which will put people back to work. We need a commitment of the and emphasis on the constitutional right to vote, maybe equal rights for women, a plan for reviving the war on poverty, for urban reconstruction, a commitment to provide the integrity and visibility of the Civil Rights Commission, student loan debt forgiveness. This is bold kind of stuff that only presidents can do. President Obama is equal to the task.
[Malveaux:] All right. Reverend Jackson, thank you so much. Good to have you as always.
[Jackson:] Thank you.
[Malveaux:] Just ahead on the NEWSROOM, housing prices are rising. That's been the case for months. We'll tell you what it means if you're thinking of buying or selling your house.

[Cabrera:] So far, there's precious little evidence of what happened to Flight 8501. For now, investigators are sifting through what we have, including air traffic control audio, the last known recordings of the pilots' voices.
[Unidentified Female:] Wagon 8501, cleared. Again, 8501 cleared to Singapore. Flight level 240 initial. Do you want alpha departure? Squawk number 7005.
[Unidentified Male:] Squawk 7005, alpha departure 8501.
[Cabrera:] What else can we learn from the debris found in the Java Sea? Here to talk about this, David Soucie, CNN safety analyst and former FAA inspector and author of "Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Why It Disappeared and Why It's Only a Matter of Time Before This Happens Again," written before this latest missing plane. Also with us, Jeff Wise, science writer and author of "Extreme Fear." Thank you, both, for being here. David, let's start with you. We have some pictures of the debris they have collected so far. When you take a look at some of the images we're going to put up here, based on I know you already have already seen some of them from other reporting we have been doing what strikes you about what they have pulled out of the water?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Well, it appears to me that what they have there, we thought that that was the baggage from the passengers. But after talking with some mechanics who work on that aircraft, that that's actually a go bag or an air flight bag. What's contained is extra lightbulbs, oil, things like that that would be necessary if the aircraft had to land in a place where there was no maintenance in case it had to go again. So it's a bag that contains that stuff.
[Cabrera:] Almost like a first-aid kit, but with more technical...
[Soucie:] Like in your car you have those extra lightbulbs, things like that. It's just extra stuff that they might possibly need. In addition to that, the bottle that came out there is a bottle that was used to inflate the slide that goes over the top of the wing. And that slide that goes over the top of the wing is what I think the other object is as well. It appears that what happened is that door that came off was in the aft baggage area, because all these things are contained in that same area. So something happened in that area.
[Cabrera:] So that would be in the back of the plane or underneath?
[Soucie:] Correct, on the aft ride side.
[Cabrera:] Now, based on this being again just six miles from where the plane was last located according to the radar and the communication back at air traffic control, what can we learn from sort of how the debris field is now defined, Jeff?
[Jeff Wise, "slate":] Well, bear in mind, of course, that what we have now is just the beginning of the data that's going to allow us to define the debris field. So, You know, as the day continues in Indonesia, they will be gathering more material. They will have a sense. And probably you will have a kind of circular scatter pattern and then they will do a drift analysis, and have an I presume they have been dropping buoys and they know how the water is moving through this body of water. And they will be able to then narrow down the area where, presumably, the black boxes will be underwater.
[Cabrera:] Does a larger debris field mean one thing vs. a shorter debris field? Or does that tell us how the crash happened? Or is it more about currents that it tells us?
[Wise:] It's both. Listen, if you have a massive depressurization at altitude or a decompression that, you know, blasts the material into a wide area from altitude, then, yes, that itself is going to give you a big debris field. If you have an intact airplane that's hitting the ground at high speed, you can get a very compact debris field. But then as you point out, you then have the environmental effects. The water currents always generally make a larger and larger pattern as time goes by. Now, compared to some of the other recent incidents that viewers will be aware of, this debris field will be located much more quickly than some of the others, like Air France 447, for instance. It was five days before debris first was located. And so, it should be more compact. But, yes, there are these multiple factors that will affect the size of the debris field.
[Cabrera:] And it's obviously very sensitive how they go about doing the search.
[Soucie:] Very much so.
[Cabrera:] Right, David?
[Soucie:] Yes. Everything has to be documented exactly where it is. As far as 20 years ago, we were using GPS to document every piece of wreckage at every accident site I was at. So luckily we could do that digitally. Before that, it was flags and buoys and things.
[Cabrera:] I want to read you something about the black boxes that we heard from, I guess, the president of Malaysia, excuse me, not Malaysia, but the AirAsia flight and leading all of this. If I can find the piece of paper where I put it, and of course, I can't at the moment. But essentially I will paraphrase what he said. He talks about how once they find where the black boxes are, if they, indeed, find those elements, that they don't actually extract them from the water immediately. They basically just say, OK, they're here, but there's a process, he says in terms of removing them in order to contain the clues that they may hold.
[Soucie:] Yes, it's a very sensitive operation, really, and they're more susceptible than people would think. It's like a laptop being dropped down into the water. But mostly what it's about is the corrosive material, not just in MH370, we worried about pressures. If it's at a low pressure and then you bring it to a high pressure, it can affect it structurally. But in this case, what we're talking about is the buildup of salt. And the salt gets in on the components inside can actually short those components out and cause transfer of static electricity. So you want to make sure you rinse that thoroughly and maintain the same pressure as you bring it up and then you rinse that thoroughly and get all of the saltwater out to where you have clean, pristine water to move everything out of there if it, indeed, was breached, which most of the time it is.
[Cabrera:] And, of course, there's a little bit of a time limit on how quickly they will find that because of the pings that those transmitters put out on the black boxes, right, Jeff?
[Wise:] You remember in the case of MH370, there was this great race against time to try to locate the black box pingers before the batteries ran out and, indeed, they were never located before the time, 30-day limit ran out. In this case, you know, we have got a much, much better situation, shallower water, probably a much smaller search area. And so I don't think that that's going to be a problem in this case. But I think, you know, people with memories are going to be fresh, as David can attest, that, you know, people were really thinking, if only, if only these batteries had been mandated to be longer, you know, it wouldn't have been so tense. I don't think we're going to be worrying about it here.
[Cabrera:] It's tough to talk about the victims of this flight, because obviously it's such a tough situation for those families. And we know that three bodies have now been recovered. There were 162 people on board the flight. One of the bodies that was pulled from the sea was of a woman. And she didn't have any clothing on, but her undergarments. I understand that tells us a little bit about, perhaps, the crash impact.
[Soucie:] It's a little early to talk about that stuff for me. But there are some very strict statistics that I wrote about in the "Why Planes Crash" book about how as an accident investigator we can determine the speed and the impact. The only reason that we talk about those things and understand them so thoroughly is so that we can understand exactly how it hit the air hit the water in determining the initial cause, because if we can't figure out the root cause, then these are just all simply clues. It's important to point out when we talk about these things and we have been today talking about these things, it's not for the purpose of making it difficult for other people. And so I think it's best that at least for me I'm going to back off on that question until it's pertinent to exactly what it is trying to accomplish.
[Cabrera:] I think, you know, we talk about it in the goal of trying to find answers for the families as well. If you're a family member, everybody wants first and foremost to know where their loved one is. Is it surprising that we have only now learned of finding three victims where there are 162 people on board?
[Wise:] I wouldn't say so at all. This is a process, it takes time. This is a fairly normal pace of after a plane goes missing, it takes time to locate the wreckage and then to locate the black boxes and so forth. There was a case in 2007 that was very similar in many respects to this air crash, which a plane was flying also in a very similar part of Indonesia. It took 12 days before wreckage was discovered. What we really saw in this case was a lot of nations committing resources, a lot of money and energy being expended. I think in the wake of MH370, there was a lot of concern about another plane going missing. Can this really be happening? And I think everyone wanted to move this out of category of missing airplane to trying to understand what happened, trying to get a grip. As David says, the reason that we apply all of this brainpower and manpower to understanding what happened is so it doesn't happen again. We want to understand so that no other families have to go through this again.
[Cabrera:] Exactly. And I guess I will let you have the last word on that note. David, how does finding these different pieces and providing answers for families and the rest of us help to prevent another disaster in the future?
[Soucie:] Well, we talk about the root cause. And that's root cause or the proximate cause. The proximate cause is the last thing that could've prevented the accident. We look for that, and that's what the NTSB is finding primarily is finding, how could it have been prevented? What it needs to what the clues lead us to is back up that chain of events through the Swiss cheese is what we were talking about before. The defenses are the Swiss cheese and the holes in those defenses when they line up, and failures occur, that's when an accident happens. The ability to trace that back and find out what was the latent causes, why was the aircraft in that situation, was there a failure in the systems of being able to identify the storms? Or was it a decision-making process, a distraction in the cockpit, perhaps? All of those things are taken into consideration on every accident because we're at a really fine detail now. We're not just saying we're trying to reduce accidents and deaths. We're trying to reduce the potential for an accident or death as well. So we're really, really working on those fine, fine details.
[Cabrera:] David Soucie, Jeff Wise, thanks to both of you for being here. Just ahead, Richard Quest is going to join me live on how this airline is handling the investigation and also important how the airline is treating the families. Plus, developing right now, a security firm says the Sony hack was an inside job, that a former employee could be to blame and not North Korea. But brand-new reporting from CNN says otherwise. More details straight ahead.

[Fredericka Whitfield, Bloomberg News:] Happening right now in the NEWSROOM, brand-new details on the terror attacks in Denmark, the FBI now helping to trace the gunman's whereabouts leading up to the attack and why the FBI compares it to the Paris terrorist attacks. And a CNN exclusive, I talked to Swedish artist, Lars Vilks, who survived the Copenhagen attack. He describes what he saw and experienced when the gunman opened fire. And right here in the U.S., a reporter is holding there, the wind and snow, and now another part of the country, that's again hit hard with another winter blast. Millions of people in Mother Nature's path. Hello again and thanks so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Let's get right to our developing news, residents in Copenhagen, Denmark holding a candlelight vigil today outside the synagogue where one of two shootings took place yesterday. Now the FBI is joining in the investigation. A U.S. official is telling CNN that's because the attacks are very similar to the Paris killings. Earlier today Danish police made two arrests and killed the suspected gunman in yesterday's terror attacks. They tracked him down with surveillance video. The alleged gunman later died in a shootout with police. Hours later, police arrested two suspects at an internet cafe not far from that shootout. We are waiting to find out their connection, their possible connection with this case. All told, two people died, five police officers were shots at two separate locations and injured. The first was at a free speech forum and the second shooting taking place ten hours later at a synagogue. We now know that one of the victims was a 55-year-old film director by the name of Finn Noergaard. Denmark's prime minister spoke with CNN about the shootings in an exclusive interview.
[Helle Thorning-schmidt, Danish Prime Minister:] As soon as the first attack happened, we heightened our presence by the synagogue, this is a standard procedure. That's one of the reasons it didn't turn into something much worse than we saw. It doesn't change the fact that we have had two civilians that were just doing what they do. One was volunteering in a Jewish community and the other one was going to a debating seminar. Completely normal activities that we normally appreciate in a democracy, and that is why we are so saddened that they were no longer here today.
[Whitfield:] Let's go to Copenhagen. Our senior international correspondent, Nic Robertson, is there tracking developments. So Nic, what more are police saying about whether the alleged gunman, who was killed is in any way connected to the two people arrested today?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] The police aren't making that direct connection, although, the raid and the operation at the internet cafe took place about half a mile from where I am, which is where that suspect gunman was killed by the police in the early hours of the morning. So certainly a lot of proximity there, but police are not saying what the connection is. They are however giving us some details about the young suspect gunman. They say that he was 22 years old. That he was born in Denmark. That he had a criminal record, some of it for illegally holding weapons that he was violent, and that he also had been in criminal gangs in the past. They also say on top of that, though, that he may have been inspired by the attacks in Paris, the cartoonist, and the kosher supermarket, and they say may have been inspired by radical Islamist groups like ISIS. So the picture they are painting is a young violent man with connections to gangs in the past, armed, but also it appears to some degree radicalized as well Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] But not believed to be connected to any kind of network or you know, radical group?
[Robertson:] You know, that's what the police are looking at right now and that's really one of their biggest concerns and their top priorities. There is still heightened security in Copenhagen. The police are worried that he may have associates through groups like ISIS or other jihadist groups. They're concerned as well there may be sort of copycat type of attacks. So at the moment, it does appear as if the police are trying to gather as much information as they can about him, cell phones, computers, certainly they found a weapon and some of the clothing as well. So all of that is going to paint that detailed picture that the police needed to give themselves a level of comfort that there is not a follow-on attack is likely to come Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] All right, Nic Robertson, thank you so much in Copenhagen there. Let's bring in former CIA military analyst, Tara Maller, and CNN terrorism analyst, Paul Cruickshank. Good to see both of you. Tara, you first, as the FBI is now involved in this investigation, already some officials saying they see real parallels between the attack taking place there in Denmark and the attacks that took place in Paris. What kind of similarities are you seeing?
[Tara Maller, Former Cia Military Analyst:] On the surface there are a lot of similarities, but there are also some differences. I mean, the type of the attack, the fact that at first glance it seems like this individual may not be operating with real strong leadership or direction for the particular attack. However, there are also some key differences. There haven't been any claims from groups about their involvement. There hasn't been any evidence at least in the press in terms of the ties to this individual, in terms of travel overseas to either Syria or Iraq or ties to groups like ISIS. So in the Paris case, a lot of that information did trickle out pretty fast in terms of the individuals involved and their links back to visit overseas and individuals they had connected with. So I think there are some similarities on the surface in terms of the type of attack, who is being targeted, but there are also some differences. I think it will become clearer how similar these are as more information trickles out from the investigation.
[Whitfield:] So Paul, ISIS and groups like al Qaeda, they kind of get what they want even if there's no direct association because we've already heard from officials that they believe this alleged gunman was inspired by radicalists, and maybe even inspired by the attack in Paris.
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, that's right, inspired by that attack on "Charlie Hebdo" in Paris and also that attack on the Jewish supermarket in Paris. We saw in Copenhagen both cartoonists, but also a Jewish center again being targeted, so very strong similarities to Paris. This may well by a copycat attack. My understanding is that investigators are looking at the lone wolf angle right now. For the moment they don't think that he actually traveled to somewhere like Syria and Iraq to get training. They think he's more of the lone wolf variety at this point. Obviously, the investigation is in its early stages, but they'll be looking to see what kind of contacts he had in the extremist scene in Copenhagen and Denmark Fred.
[Whitfield:] So I imagine, Tara, this makes it a lot more challenging for counterterrorism, law enforcement, to try to prevent if you have the case of lone wolfs. They're not necessarily corresponding with anybody, coordinating, but perhaps their behavior is strange leading up to the event like, you know, accumulating arms to the degree this alleged gunman may have done. I mean, help us kind of understand what law enforcement or counterterrorism experts are up against when they don't necessarily have a trail in which to follow, like you do if someone is associated with a terror group or network?
[Maller:] Sure. Obviously a lone wolf doesn't have the capacity to carry out or inflict as much damage as a highly orchestrated, highly advanced attack technological, you know, attack that employs lots of money and resources. Having said that, the more resources, the more individuals involve, the more ties back to an organization, and the more nodes of interception through intelligence, through law enforcement to be caught because they're being monitored in various ways. When you have a lone wolf or in this case if it was an individual inspired and acting alone based on rhetoric coming from overseas or simply just seeing the Paris attacks on their TV screen at home, it's a lot more difficult for law enforcement to see red flags. Obviously, he had a criminal history in terms of violence and I believe it recently came out today that he had been, I think, recently released from prison for other aggravated assaults and violence, but there are many individuals who have silent criminal histories and don't end up engaging or being inspired by ISIS terrorism attacks of these sorts. So it is a lot more different in these lone wolf situations for the signals intelligence and the human intelligence to be collected to thwart these types of attacks. It's horrific that one individual can do this, but it's also very, very difficult to thwart.
[Whitfield:] So Paul, how do you see law enforcement counterterrorism, you know, specialists navigating this kind of landscape?
[Cruickshank:] Well, it's going to be very, very hard for the reasons that Tara has been outlining so detect these kinds of lone wolf attacks. So you can monitor social media, web sites, see if extremists are kind of there. If there's warning signs that they're moving toward belief towards action, but it's very, very hard in these lone wolf types of situations. Often you can try intelligence from family members or friends that can be tip-offs. But they found it very hard to detect these kinds of plots, even when individuals have been on the radar screen. I mean, we saw in Canada and other plots in Europe even when they're on the radar screen, they're able to move forward and launched attacks. The reason is you just can't monitor all these people 247. There are thousands and thousands of extremists right throughout the European Union. There is really an unprecedented threat both from this lone wolf style threat, but also people who have gone to Syria and Iraq to link up with jihadi groups, about 750 believed to be back in Europe right now Fred.
[Whitfield:] Yes, pretty extraordinary. All right, Paul Cruickshank, thank you so much, and Tara Maller, I appreciate it.
[Maller:] Thanks a lot.
[Whitfield:] And this breaking story very difficult to report. This about a new wave of terror committed by ISIS, a new video has been released by the group, and in it, they're claiming to have beheaded a large group of Christian men in Libya. CNN's Ian Lee is joining us now from Cairo. We understand this involves Coptic Christians there in Egypt, but this assault this beheading taking place in Libya?
[Ian Lee, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Fredricka. Coptic Christians Egyptians here tend to go to Libya to find work there. These 21 men were kidnapped by ISIS in Libya. This new video, 5- minute video shows what we can count at least 13 men being beheaded there. They were lined up on the beach there, a lone militant speaking in English the message at the beginning of that video reads a message signed with blood to the nation of the cross. The militants speaking in English, referencing the Egyptian Coptic Christians, ISIS militants that are in Sinai and also referencing Rome as well. This is a message that isn't just for the Egyptians. This is a message for Europe, which is right on Libya's doorstep. It's also a message for the ISIS militants in Sinai. Egypt is sandwiched between what you have in the east and what you have in the west by ISIS. These militants, really this message, are showing that ISIS has a firm presence now in Libya. We had the attack at the hotel in Tripoli, at the Corinthian Hotel recently, and now this. A very similar attack to what we similar video of what we've seen coming out of Iraq and Syria, and it seems like there has been at least some coordination. The video is very similar Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] Horribly sad. All right, Ian Lee, thank you so much from Cairo. We'll be right back.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Hi, everyone. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for joining me. Beginning with breaking news this hour. It's actually a story that CNN first broke. And moments ago, more disturbing details about the way servicemen and women are being treated right here on U.S. soil. Explosive new allegations of bullying, sexual harassment and veterans not receiving the care they need at at least one V.A. hospital here in the States. But the problem is maybe more widespread than previously thought. If you'd not thought the numbers were high then, we have bigger numbers for you now. Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr joins me now here on the news we're just getting. And there are several sort of takeaways as I'm reading through this IG report, just as you have, Barbara. Spell it out for us.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Brooke, the inspector general of the Department of Veterans Affairs is the watchdog looking at all of this, investigating it. A new report about what may have gone on at the Phoenix V.A. hospital veterans facility. This initial report, just a few of the points, will be so disturbing to people. They say that what they did find was multiple lists of veterans awaiting medical care. But that is just the beginning. There were 1,700 veterans needing medical care, 1,700 that were on no waiting list at all. And what the report says, and I just want to read it very quickly.
[Baldwin:] Please do.
[Starr:] "These veterans were and continue to be at risk of being forgotten or lost." Those 1,700 veterans that were on no list at all. Why is this so significant beyond the obvious? It's because low wait times at the V.A., for the V.A. management staff, if you have low wait time statistics in your records, that means more salary increases, more bonuses, more awards. Were did people know that this was going on? What the report also goes on to say, though, they cannot make the link yet definitively between the death of veterans and this failure in care. They say they need to look at death certificates, medical records, autopsies and they are going to do that. They need to find out if veterans indeed died due to being lost or forgotten in the medical system, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] And just remind people, from all of our reporting, and specifically this V.A. facility in Phoenix where we found, you know, these fake lists. So on top of that, now there are these 1,700 veterans totally missing from these lists. On top of that, the latest I recall looking at our map, it was something like 26 facilities now under investigation. According to this report, that number is up to 42, correct?
[Starr:] Well, basically Eric Shinseki, the secretary of the Department of Veteran's Affairs, is going to have to look at everything. The pressure from Congress is mounting, the pressure from veterans groups is very high. He has promised to have a top to bottom look at all of it. They are they are under unprecedented pressure to figure out what is going on and where the failures are, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] OK. So we just head Wolf Blitzer was just on, who was talking to Senator John McCain of Arizona. Take a listen to what he said.
[Blitzer:] I want to be precise from saying that the secretary of Veteran's Affairs, General Eric Shinseki, should resign?
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] I think it's I think it's reached that point. I have not called for it. I was going to wait until the hear hearing that's going to take place here very soon. But this keeps piling up and it can't be just an isolated the V.A. the Phoenix V.A. is not an island.
[Baldwin:] Barbara Starr, is this just the beginning of very high ranking members of Congress, of veteran here, John McCain, calling for a resignation of veteran Eric Shinseki?
[Starr:] Well, it's quite interesting politics right now. You see both Democrats and Republicans on both sides there, not time for him to go, time for him to go. You see veterans groups. Some saying he should go. Some saying he should stay. And there are surveys out there where a large number of veterans expressed their satisfaction with the V.A. system. But, and it's a huge but, the political reality on the ground in Washington is that Eric Shinseki has basically created a firestorm of a problem for the administration. Whether he created it or not, it's happening on his watch. It's his responsibility. And the question now many people will tell you, and I've talked to other V.A. experts. I've talked to military officials about all of this. When somebody on the cabinet level, basically their presence becomes a political problem for the White House, the question is, when do they go, probably not if they go.
[Baldwin:] OK. Barbara Starr, thank you so much. We're staying on this. We have much more on this story because there's new details additionally in the IG report finding, and I'm quoting them now, "numerous allegations daily of mismanagement, inappropriate hiring decisions, sexual harassment and bullying behavior by mid and senior level managers at this facility. We have more on that. I want to move on for now. And we hope you saw this right here on CNN. The president's big speech this morning at West Point moving America off war footing and into an era where we are still fighting terror but in different ways and in different parts of the world. In the 32 months that remain in his term, the president said he will use forces if need, he'll even use troops, but that will not be option number one. He addressed the cadets directly this morning.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] And I would betray my duty to you and the country we love if I ever sent you into harm's way simply because I saw a problem somewhere in the world that needed to be fixed or because I was worried about critics who think military intervention is the only way for America to avoid looking weak.
[Baldwin:] Here are some more of the quotes from the president. Intriguing quotes. We'll just through them at you quickly here that he said today. He said, American isolationism not an option, according to the president. He said that the U.S. still must lead. He also said this. "I believe in American exceptionalism, but what makes America exceptional isn't flouting international norms but rather affirming them." And one more for you. "Just because we have the best hammer," talking about the U.S. military, "just because we have the best hammer, just because does not mean every problem is a nail." Jim Sciutto is our chief national correspondent, national security correspondent, joining me live from London. And here with me in studio, Jim Clancy of CNN International. So, Jim Sciutto, let me just let me begin this with you. And we mentioned, you know, the president also said, we, the U.S., will be fighting terrorism elsewhere with we got the latest numbers and troop levels in Afghanistan with the Afghan war now really winding down. He says he'll focus on Africa, thwarting the growing terrorist groups there, some of which have tried to hit the U.S. Directly to you, does it look like the U.S. is, dare I say, just almost playing whack-a- mole, chasing terrorists just from one location to another?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, I think it's a good newsbad news story. The good news is that the president referred to it, that al Qaeda leadership, core al Qaeda, as we know it, based in Pakistan, led by Osama bin Laden, has been effectively decimated and sent to ground with constant drone strikes, bin Laden's killing, et cetera. But the bad news is, that at the same time, over these last several years, al Qaeda has developed sort of a franchise, right, that's not necessarily directed and controlled by core al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan, but has affiliations.
[Baldwin:] Branches.
[Sciutto:] Al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula, in Yemen, al Qaeda in the Islamic Mugrab, North Africa, Boko Haram, responsible for taking those poor Nigerian girls that has some affiliation, perhaps some financial relationship, certainly a philosophical, ideological relationship but not control there and therefore harder to extinguish. On the good side, I've spoken to senior intelligence about this many times. They think that their ability to carry out a 911 scale attack reduced, but they can carry out smaller attacks from different directions and therefore it's harder harder to keep them down, in effect, because you have to you have to kind of you know, you have to keep a lot of irons in the fire in many places across the globe to keep them under control.
[Baldwin:] There are so many different branches of these terror groups. Jim Sciutto, hold on, because, Jim Clancy, specifically when we're talking about fighting these groups in Africa, we know that the president said he'll be asking Congress for its $5 billion for that effort. And just perspective for everyone, we're spending, what, more than that more than that each month in Afghanistan. So when you hear that translation, how do you think that the world will perceive America? Might people say, well, that's all? Is that less engagement?
[Jim Clancy, Cnn International Anchor And Correspondent:] It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. You think globally, but you act locally. And let's face it, all of the when you talk about Al Shabab in Somalia, when you talk about Boko Haram, when you talk about many of these groups they have grown up in the last few years, they have local goals. They want to dominate the local politics. They want to change things in their own area. But they do pose a threat when they get together, a longer term threat, so you have to act against them. And he's saying you do it in partnership with the people on the grounds that are your allies. You make this happen. You support it in the right way. And, don't forget, a lot of that should go towards intelligence. Where are they getting their funding? All of these different groups have different aims. It's not just one battle. So I think that was perhaps the best point that he made in an entire speech. A speech that probably, you know, was not really a great speech to give at the U.S. military academy. It was a philosophical speech. It was not a commander in chief speaking to his troops. And you heard the reception. I mean it was pretty icy.
[Baldwin:] Well, he said, you know, the U.S. isn't going to. As president, you try to solve all the worlds' problems, period, and especially not through force. He said world opinion is important. He says he wants to build more, his word, "partnerships." But the president also aid this.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Here's my bottom line. America must always lead on the world stage. If we don't, no one else will.
[Baldwin:] So he talks about leading on the world stage, yet he also talks partnerships, Jim Sciutto. What's the message to our allies?
[Sciutto:] Yes, I think, in all honesty, if you speak to them, you speak to the leaders of these countries, there's confusion. I just returned from Ukraine. You speak to Ukrainian officials, there's frustration there that, for instance, there haven't been more stiffer economic penalties against Russia in recent weeks. There's been a lot of talk but no action yet on that and they're pushing for action they're saying so publically. And I heard that from the Ukrainian people as well. You look at the case of Syria, right, where military action was teed up. You know, John Kerry gave the most impassioned speech of his career in recent memory making the case for war, and the next day had to pull it back. I mean that does cause confusion. And, listen, you know, we can't none of us would estimate the difficulty or the cost of making hard decisions like this. But at least when you speak to allies, when you speak to leaders in these countries, whether it's regarding Ukraine, Syria, the U.S. response in Libya, the U.S. response to China's territorial claims in Asia, they don't necessarily hear the clarity that they want to hear. They will make that criticism privately. Sometimes they'll make it publically. But it's a fairly consistent message.
[Baldwin:] OK. Jim Sciutto to you in London, thank you. Jim Clancy, thank you very much. Just ahead, one columnist is suggesting Hollywood, specifically movies about sex, partly to blame here for the attitude of that student who went on that deadly rampage. We'll discuss that. Is that fair to do? Plus, a poet, an actress, a personal hero of mine has died. Maya Angelou has passed away this morning. We'll speak live with someone who had an interesting, life-changing conversation with her inside a bathroom. Don't miss that.

[Berman:] Welcome back. John Berman here, live in Paris. A major development today in the devastating attack here one week ago today at the offices of "Charlie Hebdo," al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula now says that its late leader, Anwar al-Awlaki, planned this attack years ago, that the group paid for it and planned the whole thing. A U.S. official tells CNN that one of the Kouachi brothers left Yemen, where the group is based, with up to $20,000 to carry out these attacks. I want to bring back Fran Townsend to talk more about this, along with our terrorism analyst, Paul Cruickshank. Paul also wrote a terrific book, "Asian Storm," about the spy inside al Qaeda in Yemen who led the CIA to al-Awlaki. It was a U.S. drone that killed al-Awlaki in 2011. And, Paul, that gets to the central question here. This video claims that al Qaeda in Yemen planned this attack, said Anwar al Awlaki was directly involved. That was back in 2011. That is when these brothers, or at least one of them, was in Yemen. Is that how that group operates, planning an attack?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Short answer, yes, it's exactly how that group operates. Anwar al-Awlaki was looking to recruit Europeans for attacks back in Europe, the idea being that they would be trained in Yemen and sent back to Europe for attacks. We know that because Morten Storm, this double agent, told us about this. In fact, he was asked by al Awlaki to do this, to try and find these European recruits, while he was working for Western intelligence. We also know from Morten storm that al-Awlaki was telling these recruits that when they went back to Europe, they should camouflage their radicalism. And it appears that's what the Kouachi brothers did because in June 2014, they were taken off the French surveillance list because they were judged no longer radical. And it's after that it appears that they then put this plot into operation, perhaps because they sensed they were being no longer followed. So it's quite possible that this is a sleeper-cell scenario here. We haven't seen that many kind of sleeper-cell plots in the past of this duration, it should be pointed out, however. Mostly when these Westerners go and get training with al Qaeda, it's been six months to a year after which they have launched an attack or a plot, and we saw that with London bombings, for example, and a plot in New York to attack subways in 2009.
[Berman:] Paul, it's a frightening scenario if it went as you said. It almost follows the exact map of what you say al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has been trying to do for years, launching a sleeper sell in the West. Which gets me, Fran, to a key question here. This happened in France. Could this type of operation, with this type of sleeper cell that's the term that Paul used right there a group of people who sort of drifted off the radar for a few years, it happened in France, could that happen in the United States?
[Townsend:] Sure. But we should be clear that the population that has left France and gone to fight and then returned is much larger, as we understand it, than what we hear from law enforcement officials here in the United States, and so just the size and the scope of the problem is much larger, which makes it a harder problem for the French to address. It's why, as Paul says, they're constantly looking at who they have under surveillance, who can they take off the surveillance list so that they can focus on the most radical. Could it happen in the United States? Certainly, it could. As Paul says, this is a longer time, though, for them to be quiet. We don't really understand why yet. We know that authorities are looking into that. Was it because of the death of Anwar al Awlaki that that delayed them? Was it because they had difficulty getting weapons? And one of the reasons they may have coordinated with
[Berman:] Paul, speak to me of the symbolic significance, the apparently continued symbolic significance, of Anwar al Awlaki. This man was killed by U.S. drones in 2011, yet you still have these people who carried out this brutal attack right behind me claiming allegiance to him and the group saying that he directed this operation.
[Cruickshank:] Well he has still huge symbolic significance, John. This is an American who inspired a generation of Western extremists to plot attacks to launch attacks. Somebody who was a very charismatic preacher who put out all these videos which are still online and Western extremists still consume all this stuff online. He's still very, very popular indeed. He's the guy that inspired the Boston bombings. He inspired that attack on the streets of London against a soldier in 2013. Also, somebody who was previously operational. And I think one of the worries is going to be that maybe there were other Western extremists who also met al Awlaki before he was killed and could still be waiting to launch their operations. I think that's certainly a possibility now. Whether that's in Germany or in the U.K., or even in the United States, there's going to be a lot of concern about his enduring legacy, both in inspiring attacks, but also in planning them from beyond the grave.
[Berman:] I think those are exactly the types of thing the U.S. intelligence, not to mention European intelligence, officials are tracing right at this very moment. Fran Townsend, Paul Cruickshank, our thanks to you. Let's go back to Christine in New York. Christine?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Great discussion, guys. Thanks, John. Up next, it's hot off the presses, flying off the stands, "Charlie Hebdo" selling out around the world in defiance of the terrorists whose aim was to stop the presses. The details ahead @THISHOUR.

[Janet:] Hi, Sarah.
[Sarah:] Hi, mommy.
[Janet:] What you doing?
[Sarah:] Nubby.
[Janet:] Why are you with "Nubby"?
[Sarah:] Because of my
[Cf. Janet:] What does "Nubby" do for you?
[Sarah:] It, like, clears my lungs.
[Janet:] Yes. So you can breathe?
[Sarah:] Yeah.
[Harlow:] That was 10-year-old Sarah Murnaghan and her mom Janet. And as you saw, Sarah is very sick. She may only have a few weeks left to live. Sarah was born with cystic fibrosis. It clogs her lungs and her digestive system. She needs a new lung. She needs a lung transplant immediately. But as her parents only recently learned, Sarah's age makes that incredibly difficult. Now the Murnaghans are trying to change the rules that govern lung donation for young children, if not in time to help their daughter, then in time to help others like her. Our Zain Asher has their story.
[Sarah Murnaghan:] Twinkle, twinkle.
[Zain Asher, Cnn Correspondent:] Ten-year-old Sarah Murnaghan wants to be a singer.
[S. Murnaghan:] How I wonder what you are.
[Asher:] Her mother says if she gets a new pair of lungs in the next few weeks, her dreams could one day be a reality.
[Janet Murnaghan, Sarah's Mother:] I'm not going to telling her she's dying, because she's 10.
[Asher:] Sarah was born with cystic fibrosis, an illness that's damaged her lungs beyond repair.
[S. Murnaghan:] I used to go to school before. I got a lot to do. Got to go to school and at least try and act like all the normal children.
[Fran Murnaghan, Sarah's Dad:] We knew at some point she would need new lungs. We had hoped it would be much, much further down the road. But over the years, her disease has progressed.
[Asher:] If Sarah was 12 years old, she'd have a higher chance of receiving adult lungs. But since she's 10, she primarily has access to children's lungs, which are in shorter supply.
[J. Murnaghan:] That's insane. It shouldn't be about their age. If she's the sickest person, she should qualify.
[Asher:] Under the rules, the only way Sarah could receive an adult lung is if the other patients in her region who are aged 12 and older turned it down first.
[Dr. Stuart Sweet, Board Member, United Network For Organ Sharing:] It tugs at my heart. It's not a perfect system. There is no perfect system. It's the best we can do right knew.
[Asher:] Dr. Stuart Sweet is a board member at the United Network for Organ Sharing. He helped write the pediatric transplant rules.
[Sweet:] So if I change the system to give Sarah an advantage, there's another patient, very likely an adolescent, who then gets a disadvantage. And I'm not in a position, and I don't think the system should be in a position to do that on a case-by-case basis. We built a system that we try to be as tries to be as fair to everyone as possible.
[Asher:] With the clock tick on Sarah's life
[J. Murnaghan:] But it's so hard to get pediatric lungs.
[Asher:] Her mother is still working on a solution. Her options, though, are limited.
[J. Murnaghan:] Maybe it's too late for Sarah, I don't know, but it's not it's not right. I'm going to fight for the next person's kid.
[Asher:] Sarah still has hope.
[S. Murnaghan:] I'm not going for easy. I'm just going for possible.
[Asher:] The possibility of living of maybe one day realizing her dreams. Zain Asher, CNN, Philadelphia.
[Harlow:] Well, Sarah's parents are urging transplant officials to change the policy that they believe limits young children's access to adult donor lungs. They have set up a petition for that at change.org. You can search Sarah Murnaghan at the top of the page. Sarah's mom also has a FaceBook page devoted to her daughter's fight for survival. It's at facebook.comjanet.murnaghan. And you can find out more information, learn about these transplant rules at www.unos.org. And at 8:15 Eastern Time this morning, we're going to be joined by Sarah's parents. They're going to talk to us about this fight to save their daughter. And just ahead, we'll take you to a town on the Jersey Shore that is still feeling the effects seven months after Superstorm Sandy. They're feeling it this Memorial Day weekend. Just a few mementos are all that any family has left from the ruins of their homes. We're going to find out what some of them are doing to try to keep the impact of another Sandy of hitting them like this again.

[John Vause, Cnn Correspondent:] It landed a few miles south of here in an open field. Hamas said it fired an M-75 long range rocket towards the airport. So far today, just one cancellation reportedly for security concerns. That was a Royal Jordanian flight from Amman, but the rest of the airline schedule seemed to be operating as normal, as does the airport here that are coming and going. They are arriving as well and international carriers continue to take off and land. Hamas was clearly hoping to repeat what happened last month when a rocket landed not far from the airport and many international carriers decided to divert from Ben Gurion Airport for about a day and a half. That was seen as a blow to the Israelis, both economically and symbolically. Hamas claimed that as a victory. They are hoping for the same thing today but so far, Kate, it just hasn't happened.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Well, a lot of daylight left as we have to say, John. Thank very much. John Vause in Tel Aviv, for us, thanks so much. Let's get over to Christine Romans who is taking a look at more of our headlines. And news on the Ebola victims, Christine.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] There's a lot going on this morning. OK. Breaking this morning: the American doctor infected with Ebola will be released from an Atlanta hospital today. Kent Brantly contracted the deadly virus while treating infected patients in Liberia. Now, earlier this month, Brantly was flown to Emory University Hospital in an isolation jet. He was able to walk on his own when he arrived. His colleague, Nancy Writebol, is expected to be discharged from the hospital's isolation unit, but it's not immediately clear whether she would leave the facility. We wish them both well. New details coming to light after the barbaric killing of American James Foley by ISIS. A U.S. official says special ops units went into Syria this summer to rescue him and other hostages, but they were not successful. All this revealed as air strikes keep pounding the area around Mosul dam to push ISIS back. The State Department now asking for up to 300 more U.S. troops for unspecific security reasons in Baghdad. An uptick in violence in eastern Ukraine. At least 34 people were killed and dozens injured in fighting between the military and pro- Russian officials. Donetsk authorities say most of the dead are civilians. Meantime, a controversial convoy is back on the road from Russia to Ukraine. The Russians say it's humanitarian aid, but the Ukrainians are concerned this is all a ploy to get more Russian assets into the country. A settlement against one of the banks at the center of the mortgage crisis could be announced as soon as today. Sources at the Justice Department say that Bank of America has agreed to almost $17 billion, a $17 billion settlement for its role in selling risky mortgage-backed securities. It will be the largest settlement ever paid to the government, the largest ever by a single company. Part of the money will go to provide mortgage relief to struggling homeowners. There are plenty of homeowners who say I need that had relief about five years ago.
[Bolduan:] That's absolutely right.
[Romans:] And I needed the banks not to behave this way in the first place.
[Bolduan:] Did I hear with ear as I was reading the paper this morning, that you say that an amazing statistic, that this is equivalent to three years of profits for banks.
[Romans:] It would be the equivalent of three years of profits. Yes, the Justice Department really trying to exact some pain on some of these things.
[Bolduan:] Do they admit wrongdoing, though?
[Romans:] Usually when you settle, you don't admit wrongdoing.
[Bolduan:] There you go. Thanks, Christine. Christine and I will be back in just a second. Coming up next, a night without violence in Ferguson, Missouri, after Attorney General Eric Holder was on the ground promising a thorough investigation of the Michael Brown shooting. We're going to go back to Missouri. Chris is on the ground for us, was out there all night for more on Holder's visit and what this means to the community.

[Whitfield:] People around the world are remembering Nelson Mandela's remarkable life. Among them, renown poet Maya Angelou. In today's "American Journey," she tells CNN's Anderson Cooper that one word dominates her thoughts about Mandela, courage.
[Anderson Cooper, Host, Cnn's "ac360":] Dr. Angelou, I watched the poem that you wrote and recited in memory of President Mandela, and one of the things that struck me, that you said you refer to him as David, not just South Africa's David, but as our David, the world's David, and our Gideon.
[Maya Angelou, Poet And Author:] The truth is we have many of our son, Davids, a man, a woman, we can all be that particular person who has enough courage to stand up and say, "I am one, I have enough courage that dares to love. Now, that's what Nelson Mandela was about. He had enough courage to say you may call me, I am a person that dares to care for other human beings. And you see, one of the reasons I said this to you some time ago when I had pleasure of speaking to you, Anderson Cooper, I like the fact that you have enough courage to stand up. Courage is the most important of all the virtues.
[Cooper:] The thing about Mandela that I find so extraordinary in reading his history is from a very young age he had the courage to see beyond his own situation. I mean, he was born into a regal family. He had access to education. He could have stayed in his community, but he saw he started to see himself as an African, not just as a Hossa. He started to see himself and see how the white regime was dividing people by stressing ethnic differences and he was able to overcome that. I think that's such an extraordinary thing.
[Angelou:] It's true. It's true. He was a courageous human being and full of the idea that he was on a journey, and he had something to do, he had a place to be, and it's fabulous to realize that there's an old spiritual, old gospel song which is I'm on my journey now, Mount Zion, on my journey now, Mount Zion, and I wouldn't take nothing, Mount Zion, from my journey. Mount Zion. He was on the journey and he knew it and he had something to do. And this is what each of us has, if we have enough courage, we can say I'm on a journey, I have a charge to keep.
[Cooper:] You were living in Cairo with your husband, South African freedom fighter when you first met Nelson Mandela. I understand your husband and Mandela were something of rivals, but that didn't matter to Mandela. Tell us about that experience.
[Angelou:] They were rivals. But when Nelson Mandela came to visit, he never joined the argumentative people. He was simply kind to everybody.
[Cooper:] When you heard that he was gone, what first went through your mind?
[Angelou:] Well, I felt lost in a way. We've been friends so long, from the early '60s, and I felt lost. I didn't know quite what to say. I mean, it was a piece of news that we've known would come, but it threw me, and I don't know if I'm over it quite yet.
[Cooper:] Dr. Maya Angelou, I appreciate you spending some moments with us tonight. Thank you so much.
[Angelou:] I thank you very much, Mr. Anderson Cooper. Thank you. God bless your heart.
[Whitfield:] That was Maya Angelou remembering Nelson Mandela. Country music legend Willie Nelson known for making music to make a statement, but now he is sending a message by not singing at SeaWorld. We'll tell you why next!

[Lu Stout:] Now Willy Wonka is at the heart of a sweet spectacle now on stage in London's West End. The celebrated movie director Sam Mendes is behind a new musical version of Roald Dahl's classic childen's book "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." Neil Curry got a golden ticket to its official opening night.
[Neil Curry, Cnn International Correspondent:] Just like chocolate, Willy Wonkas are a matter of taste. And almost everyone has a favorite. Gene Wilder's Willy tickled the taste buds with a lighter flavor.
[Gene Wilder, Actor:] Would you come forward, please?
[Curry:] While Johnny Depp's Wonka hitted at a dark secret within the center. And now the award winning actor Douglas Hodge mixes the best of both ingredients to create his own recipe for the musical stage show of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." Bringing Roald Dahl's magical story to the stage has been a long held ambition for director Sam Mendes.
[Sam Mendes, Director:] All my childhood relationship with "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" I hope I brought to this show. And, you know, it's something that meant a lot to me for a very long time. I first tried to do this when I was a student and they wouldn't give me the rights. Then I tried again when I was 25 and I was working [inaudible] and they still wouldn't give me the rights. And each time I went back, it got bigger and bigger. And now here we are at Drury Lane, you know.
[Curry:] Actors Matthew Broderick, Jessica Parker and Uma Thurman were among those attending the official opening night of a production which introduces new songs, surprises, twists and turns to the story and immerses audiences into a world of colorful characters and spectacular sets.
[Ophelia Dahl, Daughter Of Roald Dahl:] I think there are aspects to it that feel very emotional, because you can't help but feel connected to him and to the bits and pieces of stories that really, really appeal like, you know, parts of him. There's obviously the chocolate goes without saying. He loved chocolate. But he also loved to be creative. And I think this is probably going to be one of the most creative shows that anyone is going to see for a long time.
[Curry:] Special that the Dahl family members [inaudible].
[Mendes:] Very special. And they've been amazing, actually, incredibly supportive. And I think it's a sign of their confidence in Dahl's work that they allow people to come and this is just the latest version of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," You know, there have been two others two on screen and others on stage, even. But I think this is the first show of this scale that's ever been mounted of that of that piece.
[Curry:] Wonka's enigmatic assistance, the Oompa Loompas, appear as never before, brought to life by a team of expert puppeteers. Anyone who sees this can understand why you would make this a priority. But is there still hope for Bond fans?
[Mendes:] Well, you know, I'm still in discussion with them about I just haven't had the time to really make a decision. And I won't until this is open. And my priority has been this until tonight, really.
[Curry:] In the meantime, Charlie has granted Mendes a license to thrill theater audiences with a production that has the potential to run as long as an everlasting gobstopper. Neil Curry, CNN, London.
[Lu Stout:] I really want to see that. Now before we go, how would you like to chat with an astronaut. Well, NASA's Karen Nyberg will speak to CNN on Friday. And we want to ask her your questions. Use the hashtag #CNNSpaceChat and share them through Twitter. Or you can leave a comment on our website. One of the questions we've received so far, "how will private companies affect future space missions?" And another, "what do astronauts do when they have to sneeze?" Log on to CNN.com on Friday for the answers live from the International Space Station. And that is News Stream. But the news continues at CNN. World Business Today is next. END

[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Anchor:] The 11:00 hour of NEWSROOM starts right now. A police helicopter crashes through the roof of a pub, killing at least one person. Now the search for survivors. Hear what may have caused the deadly crash, next. Time is up. We're just hours away from the midnight deadline for repairs to the Obamacare website. Can healthcare.gov be saved? A live report just moments away. And a lifesaving butt dial. A man plotting a murder makes an accidental call while talking to a hit-man. It sounds like out of the movies. You won't believe who was on the other end of the call. Details coming right up. Now, people may still be trapped inside a pub today after a police helicopter crashed into the roof. Authorities say at least one person died in the crash last night in Glasgow, Scotland, but that number could go up. Witnesses say the chopper dropped out of a skyline like a stone right onto the roof while a concert was going on inside the pub. Richard Quest has the latest from Glasgow.
[Quest:] Miguel, the core question of how many people may still be buried in the wreckage behind, no one knows. All we've been told is that there was one confirmed fata fatality, but that that number is likely to rise. All night and into the morning, search and rescue efforts continued after a police helicopter crashed into the roof of the pub filled with Friday night revelers in Glasgow, in Scotland. A local member of Parliament, Jim Murphy, said he arrived moments after the crash.
[Jim Murphy, Member Of The British Parliament:] Most of the helicopter appeared to be inside the pub. There was only part of it protruding from the top.
[Quest:] Murphy says he saw at least ten people who were injured, including people who were struggling with consciousness and others with bleeding wounds to the head. Christina O'Neil, who saw the crash from her apartment across the street, said she heard what sounded like a low-flying airplane.
[Christina O'neil, Witness:] [inaudible] for a couple of seconds, and then I just heard a massive crash.
[Quest:] After the sound of the impact, she saw smoke and people running from the pub. One witness, who was inside, reported not hearing the crash, because there was a band play playing, and all of a sudden, there was a whooshing sound and a lot of dust that came down from the ceiling. Then, more of the ceiling fell, and people started running out. Hours after the crash, and the helicopter bearing the word "Police" on its damaged tail was still smoldering. There were three people on board, two police officers and a civilian pilot. People remained trapped inside the one story pub. Urban search and rescue specialists are working to make the Clutha Bar safe so firefighters can get to the victims still trapped says the Scottish fire and rescue service. The British Prime Minister David Cameron tweeted about the situation, saying, "My thoughts are with everyone affected by the helicopter crash in Glasgow, and the emergency services working tonight." And so, Miguel, the flags are at half-mast in Scotland. And the country comes to terms with what the first minister is describing as a black day for the city and the country Miguel.
[Marquez:] Thanks, Richard Quest just awful. We do have some breaking news on that story. Scottish police say at least eight people have died in that crash now. We've also learned that the weather at the time of the crash was good, which is rare for Scotland. The winds were light, and it was cold, but there was no rain or sleet. A mystery very, very sad. The NTSB is investigating a small plane crash last night in Alaska that killed four people, including the pilot. Police say there were ten people on board. The others survived. There's no word on how those six people are doing at the moment. The Cessna crashed in southwestern Alaska near St. Mary's Village. And a plane went down in Namibia, killing everyone on board. That's according to the government official in Namibia. The Mozambique Airlines left Mozambique's capital of Maputo on yesterday it was heading for Angola. Authorities found the wreckage in Namibia near the border with Angola. There were 34 people on board that plane. It's not clear why that plane crashed. And new images this morning of the California man being held in North Korea. This is Merrill Norman. The North Korean government claims the 85-year-old was a spy during the Korean War. It released video of Newman reading his alleged confession letter. No word if he will be let go. Newman had finished a ten-day tour of North Korea when he was pulled off a plane on his way out of the country. Another day, another deadline for the Obama administration its new health care program the President's team says after the Web site's disastrous rollout two months ago, today is the day it's supposed to work smoothly for the vast majority of users. This is a live look now at HealthCare.gov. Technicians took it down overnight, about 11 hours, for maintenance. But it is back up now. CNN's Tory Dunnan is in Washington this morning. Tory we're just hours away from that deadline. It appears things may be working better with that with that Web site. Is all well in Washington, or the President's fixers are still scrambling to fix this thing?
[Tory Dunnan, Cnn Correspondent:] So Miguel wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall?
[Marquez:] No.
[Dunnan:] But in yes but in all seriousness, the latest is that the administration is on track to meet this self-imposed deadline, telling us that the site was shut down overnight for fixes, as well as updates. Of course, we now know it's up and running. And here's really what the goal is going to be in the next hours for this weekend. According to the White House 50,000 people should be able to be on the site at the same time. We're told if there are any more users at any given time, the administration says they'll be putting in what's called a virtual queue. They'll get an e-mail that will tell them of a better time to come back and try. Also, in total, the goal is for some 800,000 users to go through successfully each day. And one of the questions is, does the public think this is going to be ready to roll? Take a look at this, because a recent CNNORC poll shows that people actually think things are going to get better; 54 percent of Americans are saying, yes. The current problems facing the health care law will be solved. 45 percent say, no, that it won't be solved. But Miguel, I think this weekend is going to be kind of a big indicator about whether or not that actually happens.
[Marquez:] Absolutely. Well that's the big question. They're not releasing any statistics or metrics, as we call them in the biz, about how things have been going up until today. Are they going to start releasing those into the future, and how will we really know when this thing is up and running smoothly for users?
[Dunnan:] Right. So we're going to have to talk to users, talk to tech experts, but basically, it's going to be a little bit of a guessing game until the administration releases that information really about whether or not it's working smoothly. In fact, here's what one tech expert has to say about this weekend.
[Luke Chung, President Fms Incorporated:] Without having the internal metrics and status reports of what's going on, on the Web site, we on the outside will not be able to tell. But the people who are in charge of the system will certainly know what the load is and will be trying to balance that properly across their different servers. As an outsider, we're not going to be privy to that information.
[Dunnan:] All right. So the administration is not expected to release those numbers right away, but Miguel, we are told that there's going to be a conference call with reporters tomorrow, and Jeffrey Zions he's the man that the President put in charge of things to turn everything around, is going to be on that call. So hopefully, that is when we'll get those questions answered about whether or not this is running at that level they want it to be running.
[Marquez:] Big, big stakes and a lot of people relying on it. Tory Dunnan thanks very much for keeping track of it all.
[Dunnan:] Sure.
[Marquez:] Black Friday is over, but retailers are still trying to get even more shoppers into those stores this holiday weekend. Unfortunately, we've also been seeing a bit of this brawls that broke out on Black Friday. Police in Odessa, Texas, had to use pepper spray to break up a melee over a display of tablets and headphones. In Tampa, a woman confronted a man videotaping her on his phone. And of course, a fight broke out. Alexandra Field is at Columbus Circle in New York with her with her fists out, ready to go. Alexandra, things seem pretty calm there, don't they? Not as much craziness as yesterday, right?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Thankfully right, thankfully, Miguel, that crazy crush of shoppers is behind us. You know, it's that time of year and people are still going at it. Fortunately, the scene here in Columbus Circle, is a little more civilized than what we saw yesterday. Take a look at some video recorded at 2:30 on Friday morning. It shows you the very worst of Black Friday shopping.
[Field:] And what you are looking at here, these are two women in a Philadelphia mall fighting and brawling with each other when one woman pulls out a stun gun, nearby shoppers stop to watch. They thought they had seen everything before, but they'd never seen anything quite like this.
[Michael Napolitano, Witness:] I was definitely taken back for it, because everybody's out, like you know, trying to save money and shop for everybody and get stuff for themselves. And you just don't think that people are going to do stuff like that. You know I always wonder, what drives somebody to get in a fight like that. You don't just walk away. It's the holidays, everybody has to you know get along.
[Field:] And that chaos continued at some big-box stores across the country. There were fistfights in North Carolina. In Virginia police arrested two men in a Wal-Mart parking lot. One had a knife cut on his arm. The other was arrested for threatening that man with a knife and a rifle. And in Las Vegas, there was a shooter a shooting after one person tried to steal another person's holiday deal. Again, the shopping still continues. A lot of time left before Christmas, but we are hoping that those are some of the ugliest scenes of the holiday season Miguel.
[Marquez:] There is something ironic about the day after Thanksgiving where everybody sits down to give thanks for all they have and then get in a fight the next day certainly. But you know I was at Lennox Mall here in Atlanta yesterday, it was madness, but everybody was incredibly well behaved, except, of course, for me, who rushed through to get what I wanted. Do you what are the numbers like there Alexandra?
[Field:] Yes right, we can't give everyone a bad rap here, because remember there are a lot of shoppers coming out this weekend. 140 million people are expected to shop between Black Friday and Sunday. Together, between the months of November and December, shoppers will spend a whopping $600 billion and $80 billion will be spent will be spent through online retailers. If you wanted to sit home, if you wanted to miss out on the Black Friday madness and anything that follow, well cyber Monday is around the corner Miguel.
[Marquez:] Oh, cyber Monday, we love it. Alexandra, thank you very, very much. Well, it looks harming heartwarming, a charity granting wishes for sick children. But behind closed doors, its spending is raising eyebrows. Plus there is it's times up for HealthCare.gov, but even if the Web site works properly, will the insurance work for people who want it? The stories from real people who are trying to sign up.

[Becky Anderson:] Pro-Russian activists call them prisoners of war. Coming up, we are live in the eastern Ukraine city of Slovyansk with the very latest efforts to free this OSCE delegation. Also, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has a message for the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas tear up your pact with Hamas. His interview with CNN is just ahead. And the role of young people, especially women, in bringing change to the Middle East. You are invited to pull up a chair for our cafe chat.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
[Anderson:] A very good evening from here. It is just after 7:00 in the evening. We begin in volatile eastern Ukraine where international observers say they are being held against their will by pro-Russian separatists. Now the monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe were seen here at a news conference earlier in Slovyanask. U.S. President Barack Obama says the world must present a united front to Russia over the crisis in Ukraine. A new U.S. and EU sanctions against Moscow are now expected. Let's get right to our senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh in Slovyansk for the very latest. Nick, and as we see pictures of these monitors from the OSCE, what do we know about how long they have been held and why?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, it's a number of days now. And they are being openly paraded in that situation, because a self-declared mayor here in Slovyansk Vyacheslav Ponomaryov says they are NATO spies. Now he doesn't believe or this point doesn't want to endorse the idea that they put forward, which seems to be the case, that they're part of an OSCE military observer mission. An older man the new one, the OSCE has to try and regulate the crisis here, but they're saying, two of them I spoke to, said they were outside the town of Slovyansk. Part of their job is to look for unusual military buildups. They were trying to do that. And then were detained originally by some of the less organized pro-Russia militants here who were clearly joined by some of the better disciplined and then taken to a cellar initially here and it appears in the last 24 hours their condition has improved significantly, kind of, I think have some better accommodation. There is a concern about the Swedish member of this group of OSCE observers. He has perhaps issues with diabetes withhold by members of the [inaudible]. He's been looked after very well with water and sugar and better accommodation than the rest of them. They say they have not been threatened, but clearly it was obvious from hearing the German Colonel Axel Schneider speak that they believe they are being held here against their will. And of course asked to make that press conference at the request of the mayor rather than from their own imposition. Let's hear what he had to say.
[Col. Axel Schneider, Osce:] This press conference was a proposal by the mayor of this city. We maintained our position that we are OSCE officers with diplomatic status and that we request the protection for diplomats. He fully understood my position. And he made clear under which situation he acts as a local commander. And that is when he said I want the officers to show up here for an international press conference. And we accepted that, because we wanted that our families see that.
[Walsh:] There was a clear emotional element to waht they had to say. Some concerns, of course, for their future here, but also wanting their families and loved ones to be sure they're OK. I should say during that press conference, which was lengthy and extensive, they appeared to have arrived, a delegation a second delegation from the OSCE, one of their marked vehicles, pulled up outside and then Mr. Ponomaryov, the self-declared mayor of Slovyansk, said that negotiations were about to begin potentially for their release. We're not sure what the outcome of that is at this particular point, but there is substantial pressure. And of course, not only from the west, signals from Moscow that they want to see the situation resolved as quickly as possible. But of course this is a moment you can see from some of the [inaudible] sent through how the new self-declared authorities here consider this to be a great bargaining chip they have. And even Colonel Schneider you saw there went on to say that he expected to be used as a political, I think an element in the discussions between the broader sides in this crisis here, Becky.
[Anderson:] Nick Paton Walsh on the ground for you. And later in the show, we'll go to Kiev where Phil Black is standing by. On the eve of the holocaust remembrance day, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas made a statement. He called the holocaust the most heinous crime in modern human history. But that doesn't sit well with Israel's prime minister. CNN's Candy Crowley spoke with Benjamin Netanyahu and get his reaction to the Abbas comments.
[Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister Of Israel:] I try to reconcile that with the fact that he embraced just a few days ago the Hamas terrorist organization that denies the Holocaust and openly calls for a new extermination of the six million Jews in Israel. So, President Abbas can't have it both ways. He can't say the Holocaust was terrible, but at the same time embrace those who deny the Holocaust and seek to perpetrate another destruction of the Jewish people. I think probably what he's trying to do is damage control. I think what President Abbas is trying to do is to placate Western public opinion that understands that he delivered a terrible blow to the peace process by embracing these Hamas terrorists. And I think he's trying to wiggle his way out of it.
[Crowley:] He is also quoted in today's "Jerusalem Post" as talking about this new unity government with Hamas, and saying: "The government reports to me and follows my policies. I recognize Israeli, and so will the government. I renounce violence and terrorism, and I recognize international legitimacy, and so will the government." So, essentially, he's saying: This is still going to be my government. It still is going to follow what I have observed and what I have said. What do you make of that, and do you believe him? And, if you do, is it enough to bring you back to the table?
[Netanyahu:] Look, I will not, as the prime minister of Israel, negotiate with a government that is backed by the Hamas terror organization committed to our destruction. Neither would you. You designate Hamas, the U.S., as a terrorist organization. It sends thousands of rockets into Israel. It sends scores of suicide bombers. It praised the murder of a father of five the other week on the way to a Passover dinner, praised it. They praised bin Laden when he was alive as a holy warrior and condemned the United States when you killed bin Laden. This is one of the most preeminent terrorist organizations of our time.
[Anderson:] Benjamin Netanyahu speaking on CNN just about an hour or so ago. Later on the show, we're going to get the Palestinian point of view to all of this with a live interview with Palestinian lawmaker Hanan Ashwari. We're going to ask her about the Israeli prime minister's demand that Abbas should tear up the deal he made with Hamas. The Palestinian perspective in just a few minutes on Connect the World with me, Becky Anderson. Well, it's been an historic day for the Roman Catholic Church. Pope Francis celebrated canonization of two former popes John Paul II and John XXIII. It was also first time two living popes were present for the ceremony. And Benedict XVI wasn't at the altar, but he had a place of honor among the cardinals and bishops. The Vatican estimates 800,000 people crammed into the area around Saint Peter's Square for the ceremony, another half a million watched on television screens throughout Rome. Well, the Vatican city hasn't seen this kind of crowd, or the level of this sort of excitement since Francis become pope last year. I want to bring in Reverend Joel Camaya, a priest in Rome who joined me during the installation of Pope Francis just about a year ago or so. Quite remarkable stuff. Could you have conceived of this when you and I spoke at the installation of the new pope in March last year?
[Rev. Joel Camaya, Catholic Priest:] Yeah, actually I was not expecting it since it came rather too soon, because when I came here in Roman in 2011 Pope John Paul II was beatified, but I did not expect this to be so soon. And I'm so fortunate to be here in Rome at this time, yeah.
[Anderson:] Well, just describe the atmosphere for our viewers, if you will, so many of them will have been watching around the world on CNN earlier on.
[Camaya:] Yeah. I was up as early as 3:00 am and then I walked from my home to the vicinity of the Vatican, but there were already a lot of people lining up ready to enter the piazza, which was opened about an hour and a half later. But once they were in, wow, the atmosphere was so festive, even though there were some problems maybe in answering and people wanting to be there first. But once they were in, everything was festive, yeah.
[Anderson:] And the Popemobile, was out, and Pope Francis doing the rounds. How close did he get to people?
[Camaya:] Pardon?
[Anderson:] I know that the Popemobile was out and Pope Francis actually driving amongst his faithful. Did you get a chance to get close?
[Camaya:] He was he went around the streets [inaudible] with the Popemobile around the piazza, but then something surprising afterwards, he went to visit the different places where there were the big screens, so he reached out to those who were not able to enter the piazza. And that's something remarkable, I think.
[Anderson:] Finally, this is a church looking to the future. It has a number of issues, not least the sex abuse scandal, corruption in the church, women priests, gay clerics, what do you expect to see short-term from the Catholic Church going forward?
[Camaya:] Yeah, this canonization that the pope did today is actually a message that the we continue moving on. And in fact with the canonization, for example, of John XXIII when he began the Vatican council, the second, he was mentioning about the breath of fresh air. But he was quite clear that the doctrine of the church stands, but it's in the manner of expressing this to the people, to in maybe in a manner that this for those who would not understand or maybe for those [inaudible]. What's remarkable, also, about this canonization is it's opening of doors to the world, like when John XXIII was speaking about the Vatican council the second, it's an opening of the windows. And Pope John Paul II at the beginning of his term is opening wide the doors surprise. So it's opening to the world actually, yeah.
[Anderson:] All right. Well, Joel, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on once again on Connect the World. Send us your pictures, write us a blog, we'd love to hear more from just what a significant day it was and why from you. Still to come tonight, how to care for patients who lost a limb in Afghanistan's war sometime it takes just takes one to know one. And later, my cafe chat continues today. Discussion about the role of women and youngsters in Arab society after the Arab Spring. Stay with us. I'm Becky Anderson. This is Connect the World out of the UAE. It is 12 minutes past 7:00.

[Pereira:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. A new development in the search for missing Flight 370. Investigators are set to reveal a shift in the plane's search area after they say unreliable information led them to believe that the plane had dipped in altitude. In fact, it may have stayed in a controlled flight hours after losing contact. Now, after three months without any leads, officials are focusing the search hundreds of miles southwest of where they had been looking. For more, let's bring in David Soucie, CNN safety analyst, and former FAA safety inspector and author of "Why Planes Crash." We haven't seen you in months. You look so different, my goodness. It must be the beard. Good to see you, David.
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] There's a few things we should wade through here. First off, the search coordinator Angus Houston discounting radar equipment that indicated these altitude dips, something we talked about right here on CNN. The plane went up. It went down. You have said from the beginning, if I go back through my mental hard drive, you had said from the beginning that the altitude data was an assumption. Is that primary radar even reliable for determining altitude?
[Soucie:] Not for altitude. No, not for altitude, Michaela. It's really designed to tell you where the aircraft is, what direction it's going and what speed it's going. It has to be very carefully calibrated and looking for altitude. And in addition to that, it needs a secondary primary radar to give them verifying information as well to be very accurate about altitude. So, I'm really surprised and a little disappoint that had they actually used that in their calculations to determine the fuel consumption. It's really surprising to me.
[Pereira:] Help me understand that. Why would they have used that in their calculations initially? That set us back a fair amount of time here.
[Soucie:] Yes, it really did. Now you have to understand that when you're in an investigation, especially when there's just a few pieces of information, you over-rely on what information the people are giving you, and so you end up being led down wrong paths. And I think that's what happened here is they wanted to grasp at paths. They wanted to find out what's going on. There's a lot of pressure going on. And so, you've kind of ultra focused on things that seemed to offer good answers but in fact, they don't. It takes a while before they finally sink in and say, well, that's not it. We're looking in the wrong place.
[Pereira:] OK. With this steadier altitude then, the plane would have behaved differently. Fuel consumption would have changed, et cetera. So tell us how that then changes this new search area that we're told they will be embarking on.
[Soucie:] Well, what it changes is the amount of time and the distance that the aircraft could have flown. If it did go up in altitude beyond its normal range and it dipped way down and come back up again, it would have used a lot of fuel and that's the case where it would have ended up on the arc would have been much different. And so, with those assumptions, they were more in the northern part of that arc which would have been less distance flown and that's when it would have run out of fuel. But now, they're saying that because of this, it's just on a constant altitude, it would have flown farther. So, they are confident it's on the arc. That's a good piece of information but it's going to be now further down south than where they looked originally.
[Pereira:] And we should point, that's an area that has not mapped yet. That ocean floor has not been mapped. The southwest portion of this arc is unknown right now.
[Soucie:] That's correct. It's a place they didn't even look for debris.
[Pereira:] OK. I want to bring up "The New York Times" reporting suggesting that the settled search area will be based on a crucial assumption that this plane, as you mentioned, was on autopilot when it ran out of fuel, but you suggest, and you brought it up, that it was in a fuel efficiency mode on this particular model of plane. Explain how that works and how it would change the workings of the plane.
[Soucie:] Sure. As the aircraft burns fuel, the center of gravity changes on the airplane, which changes the flight attitude of the airplane. So as the fuel burns and it starts to change the attitude, the auto pilot in efficiency mode is capable of understanding that and changing the air speed to make it more efficient and a better fuel consumption rate. So, if that's the case, then if it was on, which I assume it was at this point, it would have gone much further. And, again, contribute together idea that it went further south and southwest on the arc.
[Pereira:] It's interesting because we've been talking and we've been talking before we went on camera and you brought up the fact that the area where they are now going to be searching, isn't this the area that NTSB had suggested that the plane potentially could be from the jump?
[Soucie:] Yes, you know. It was just a few weeks after the start of the investigation that the NTSB came out with this recommended search area. But remember at that time it really wasn't NTSB wasn't the primary drive of the investigation. It really hadn't been brought in as the primary people to talk about it. So they did say this, and I think that attributes or that came from the fact that the NTSB would have been very familiar with this efficiency mode and would have known also that the primary radar is not something reliable.
[Pereira:] I read also that an executive from Malaysia Airlines made a comment to a London paper that he thinks that this could take a very long time, in fact, that it could take decades to find this plane. Do you feel the same way he does, or are you feeling hopeful still?
[Soucie:] Well, I'm not letting myself go there. I I really believe we need to find out much more quickly than ten years from now whether we're safe flying on international flights. And there's been some great movements forward on tracking airplanes, but even if we track the airplane, that doesn't stop from happening what happened. So it's very crucial, very important that we continue the search and that we find the airplane and figure out what exactly happened and hopefully find out why.
[Pereira:] Good point to end on. David Soucie, always a pleasure to have you with us on NEW DAY. John?
[Soucie:] Thank you.
[Berman:] All right, up next, for us on NEW DAY, John Kerry says Iraqi unity is necessary to stop ISIS militants. CNN's interview with the secretary of state in Iraq. That's ahead.
[Bolduan:] Plus, if the U.S. beats or ties with Germany on, I guess they call it a draw, if you will, on Thursday, the team will advance to the knockout round of 16 at the World Cup. What are their chances? We're breaking it down with a former soccer pro.

[Kaye:] Welcome back. This morning we've been talking quite a bit about the history between New York Mayor Bill de Blasio and the NYPD and most recently, I'm sure you can remember this video, where they turned their back on him as he came to the hospital where the two officers who had been ambushed in Brooklyn were being treated. So this is a long history and we wanted to invite our next guest on to talk a little bit about how this all works. He not only knows what it's like to lead a police force, he's also been a mayor. Lee Brown is New York's former police commissioner and the former mayor and police chief of Houston. He's also written a book titled "Policing in the 21st Century, Community Policing." Nice to see you. So this battle between New York police and city hall, certainly nothing new. In 1992 there was an all riot by police against the former mayor, David Dinkins. You had served as New York City's police commissioner just before that happened. During your time, I mean what can you recall about that? Were relations between police and the mayor strained then as well?
[Lee Brown, Former New York City Police Commissioner:] The issue was there was just brewing while I was there. That was the creation of a civilian review board to receive and investigate complaints against police officers. The police officers did not endorse that concept and, as I understand, that was the reason for the demonstration there at city hall. I wasn't in the country at time. I did read about it when I returned.
[Kaye:] What do you see as different this time around? What do you make of what's happening in New York?
[Brown:] We must understand that a police department is a big family. In this instance, two members of the family lost their lives. So there's a lot of pain there. We would probably prefer that the officers not turn their back on the mayor, but that happened. To understand it, we must understand the circumstances under which that occurred, that's the loss of two members of a family. Do we condone it? No. Do we understand it? Yes.
[Kaye:] So with this tension, I mean how do you cut through it? What needs to be done on both sides?
[Brown:] If there are other issues, and I suspect there may be other issues that have not come to the surface yet, then there's a need for the police, along with the police commissioner the police union and the police commissioner and the mayor to sit down and work through the issues. I don't know what the issues are at this point in time, but I suspect it's more than we know about at this point in time.
[Kaye:] You wrote the book on community policing. You implemented a program also during your time in New York. How do police officers benefit from what you call community policing?
[Brown:] One thing I think it makes them safer. Let me tell you one quick story when I was in New York. A white officers working a predominantly black public housing projects. They made an arrest and was immediately surrounded by residents there. One African-American man came out of the crowd, stood next to the officer, crossed his arms and just stood there. That dispersed the entire crowd. And once they were all gone, the resident of the housing project looked at the officer and said, I thought we were going to have to kick butt there for a while. What's the essence of that story? That officer had worked in that community. People got to know him, and he was able to carry out his job with the support of the community. And that's the essence of community policing. I define it as a partnership and I underline the word partnership between the police and the community to accomplish four objectives. No. 1, to prevent crime, No. 2, to arrest those who commit crimes, No. 3, to solve problems in the community, and No. 4, to improve the quality of life in neighborhoods. The police can't do the job alone. The community can't do the job alone. But when you put the two together, you have an awesome force to get things done. That's the essence of community policing. It's not a program; it's a process. It's a philosophy of how do you use your police officers to improve the quality of life in neighborhoods.
[Kaye:] It sounds like it does exactly what it sounds like builds a community, builds trust, which is certainly lacking right now. Lee Brown, thank you very much. I'll be right back.
[Brown:] You're welcome.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Disagreement on this panel. A lot of experts in the field. It shows the complicated nature of the search, why it's being pulled in several directions and why it has taken so long and that flight 370, where it went, what happened to it remains very much a mystery. CNN's coverage of the search for Malaysia airlines flight 370 continues right now. Hello. I'm John Berman in for Fredricka Whitfield today. And of course, we are covering the news about flight of 370. A lot of developments today in just a moment. Four hours, searchers will be back in the sky over the Southern Indian Ocean looking for three now, three objects they have not been able to identify. Images of a third object were captured by a Chinese satellite four days ago and released to the public today. The object, 74 feet by 43 feet. Just to be clear, satellite imagery from China now, has captured picture of what could be debris off the coast of Australia. This is in addition to the two pictures that were taken about a week ago now that Australia has been looking into to trying to get some kind of a visual confirmation of. China is now sending ships to try to locate this new piece of possible debris to determine if it is wreckage from the plane. It's just about 75 miles from the two other objects, possible floating objects spotted by the commercial satellite one week ago. The search for all three of them could be complicated by bad weather. Conditions earlier today were good enough. And crews managed to see several small items in the ocean, including a wooden palette. But none of those small items, including the palette got investigators very excited. They do not think they are substantial leads. Families of 239 people onboard flight 370, they have been on an emotional roller coaster ride. Every new sighting of possible debris, every new satellite image we are seeing. Many families increasingly frustrated with the way the Malaysian government is handling this crisis. And today, the frustration boiled over during a briefing with Malaysian officials. Take a look.
[Berman:] Malaysian officials say the one thing the families want to know, they can't tell them. And that's, of course, what happened to flight 370. So we have a lot to talk about. We gathered a fantastic panel of experts to stay with us for the hour. In Washington, Rick Castaldo is an aviation surveillance engineer. He spent 20 years in the FAA. Tom Fuentes is a CNN law enforcement analyst. And from Denver, David Soucie is the CNN safety analyst and author of "Why Planes Crash: An act of investigators fight for safe sky." Thank you all so much for joining us. David, I want to start with you. This new image from the Chinese satellite, 75 miles from where those other images of possible debris were found one week ago. How much of a reason for hope is this now, David?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] I don't know if it increases my hope at all. What it does is increases my optimism they will be able to find what this is because at least now, if it is the same object, at least now, they have the track on the direction it's going, approximate speeds. Now, in that area, it could change quickly, but and this is two days p old. So we'll have to see if that actually pans anything out. but some people are discounting this second image because of its size. Well, at accident sites, this material could be flipping, it can be a whole bunch of small pieces especially with that particular structure because of the stringers inside of it. That it could be a lot of small pieces that are strung together with electrical cables with mechanical cables. And with this stringers themselves. So I'm not discounting it until we get in there and start finding it. But it gives me hope that they will find something down there because we have had two hits on what appears to me to be, at least, similar.
[Berman:] So David, just to be clear, you are saying at a minimum, it gives greater specificity in a possible search area?
[Soucie:] It would in my mind, yes.
[Berman:] All right, Rick, you think, though, this piece of debris, as David positive there, you think it may just simply be too big to get excited about? Some 73 feet by over 40 feet?
[Rick Castaldo, Aviation Surveillance Engineer:] Well, I didn't really comment on the size. There was another comment earlier about the size. I'm certainly not an expert at looking at satellite photos and the kind of terrain with the wave action, the sea states and the other pieces. But, I guess my point was, I wouldn't solely function on one piece of debris with my entire search team. I would certainly look along both arcs based on the ping. You know, it's not unusual to have engineers and lawyers disagree about where to look for things. You know, I like to base it on science and the available data. And the available data from the satellite is fairly reliable. A ping is awfully reliable for determines an arc where something may have flown. I was go on either side of the arc down in the sea and go along the arc looking for radar data and pull tapes over a seven to eight hour period for some of these countries. You will find, though, that because of the air defense mission, many of these organizations will not release data to show you one, how good the radar is, or two, how poor it is and whether or not it's properly maintained and actually works.
[Berman:] Daniel Rose, you served in the Navy. You were a naval aviator. You were involved in searches, maybe not in this scale, but that may actually be part in here. You were involved in searches in some ways that may not have been nearly as complicate and they were still difficult.
[Daniel Rose, Aviation And Maritime Attorney:] Right. You know, at the end of the day, even in this search, somebody has to put an eyeball on the object in the water. And it's a very difficult thing to do, extremely difficult. I mean, you can be at 50 feet and still mistake a white object like that for a white cap in a heartbeat and your eyes play games with you. So it's a very difficult thing to do. You know, when we were in the Navy, we had the luxury of having a landing strip right there, actually, the carrier which we could go back and continuously look for the downed aircraft. You don't have that luxury here. You effectively have two hours on station and a very dangerous environment because if anything mechanical goes wrong with the aircraft up there, they have few options, except to try to make it back 1500 feet or 1500 miles.
[Berman:] It's a long way from Perth, Australia, you know, some 1500 miles. They only have got about two hours over the search area. Clearly, that's complicated the situation. Tom Fuentes, I want to talk about another complication right now. We are more than two weeks since the plane since it disappeared. As time goes on, does it make it less likely we will get some kind of a break in the case in terms of the investigation if there, in fact, is anything to find there? If it wasn't simply something mechanical. At this point, will it be harder to discover?
[Thomas Fuentes, Cnn Contributor:] You know, John, I think you are right. As time goes on, there could be other pieces of information come up from interviews with the former colleagues or friends or family or something else come up with one of the passengers. You know, so far, we don't have that. But to do complete backgrounds on hundreds of people, which is what's happening in this case, you know, it takes a long time. They have done the searches of data bases. But there's a lot more that has to be done and learned about the people involved in this. So, you are right, it could be something more that could come up in a future date regarding the people.
[Berman:] We have talked about the list of nos, Tom. The no chatter from many possible terrorist organization. No
[Fuentes:] Not necessarily because we have had all these cases here in the U.S. of the so-called lone Wolf, where, you know, they don't disclose to family, friends, schoolmates, others that they have a terrible act in min mind. We just saw this 11 months ago here in the U.S. during the Boston marathon bombing. The two brothers weren't telling all their friends that they were going to do a bombing at the marathon. They only discussed it really with each other, as far as we can tell. And you know, even their classmates after the bombing and after they learned, you know, who they were and the fact that they had done it, you know, are saying, you know, they were great. They never talked about it. All American kid. You know, the younger one being captain of the wrestling team and going to parties and dating and smoking pot and everything else. They had no clue. There's no chatter then. There's no e-mails to other people or co-conspirators. In the big plots, the 911s, you have a much larger conspiracy and then you will have the chatter of people either bragging about or discussing it because they were in the no and want to talk about it with each other. But there's many explanations why there's not a lot of outside chatter with the case.
[Berman:] Just some of the threats they are investigating now, two weeks since the plane disappeared. Guys, stick around for a little bit. We want to talk much more about the possible scenarios, talk about the new developments, the new satellite image taken by the Chinese satellite, you know. Just one of the issues being discussed right now, it is in one of the most remote areas of the world. We'll talk about these situations when we come back.

[Brown:] Welcome back. Well, you will be seeing a lot more police out on the streets at landmarks and at tourist sites this July 4th holiday weekend. That's because law enforcement officials are ramping up security around the country. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are worried right now about homegrown, lone wolf attacks by ISIS sympathizers right here in the U.S. And officials say there is a lot more concern surrounding this Independence Day compared to last year. Let's bring in our CNN justice reporter Evan Perez, who has been following this story for us. Hey, Evan, good morning to you.
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Reporter:] Good morning, Pam.
[Brown:] So, break this down for us. Officials are saying there's no specific credible threat. So why are counterterrorism officials more concerned about this year's 4th of July?
[Perez:] You know, that's actually the point. The fact that they don't have a specific plot that they know of and, frankly, that makes their job a lot a lot a lot harder. If they knew of a plot, it's you know, the FBI's very good at disrupting plots if they know about it in advance. And so what they don't know is what is concerning to them because they know that ISIS has called for attacks on the west during the month of the holy month of Ramadan, which is what we're in right now. And they also know that there are hundreds of ISIS supporters across the country that they're keeping an eye on and they're worried that there's some that they're miss that they're missing frankly because of what happened in Garland, Texas, just a few weeks ago, where you had someone who was being watched by the FBI but wasn't on the 24 hour monitoring and they didn't know that he was on his way to carrying out an attack. And if they knew, they would have stopped it.
[Brown:] Well, it's interesting too, you know, talking to officials, they say sometimes the ISIS sympathizers don't even necessarily have a premeditated plan when they're going to act out.
[Perez:] Right.
[Brown:] It could happen at any moment. And that's what makes their job so difficult. Evan, we've seen these arrests in New York and in Boston of these groups of alleged ISIS sympathizers, but is the predominant concern still the home grown violent extremists?
[Perez:] That's right. I talked to a counterterrorism official yesterday who said, you know, they have some of these guys are sitting in their basements, they're consuming this ISIS propaganda, and really they're just looking for an excuse to be operational. And so that's the issue is that they don't know when that will happen. The terrorist the plotter really has all the advantages on his or her side simply because they know when they want to do something. The FBI doesn't. The law enforcement does not.
[Brown:] And the old forms of communication that was easier to track aren't around like they used to be. Really quickly, you had reported broke the news that there was more security around this 4th of July. What can people expect to see?
[Perez:] Well, you know, in especially down in Manhattan downtown, for instance, you're already seeing more vigorous security. You'll see a lot more uniformed police. You'll see more guards at places like prominent places like that. The New York Police Department says that they're deploying a lot more resources, including dogs, radiation detecting machines. The Los Angeles Police Department says they're doing the same thing. So we expect that here in Washington and other places, where large crowds are going to be gathering to watch fireworks, to do celebrations, you're going to see a lot more police.
[Brown:] And they're certainly not taking any chances here.
[Perez:] Absolutely.
[Brown:] Evan Perez, thank you so much for breaking it down for us. We appreciate it.
[Perez:] Sure.
[Brown:] And still to come right here in NEWSROOM, Donald Trump in the middle of a firestorm over his remarks about Mexico. But he keeps climbing in the polls. So what's the appeal? We're going to talk about it after this break.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn:] More Americans arriving in Iraq today. Is this mission creep? Plus a father finds out his missing son is alive on live television from our own Nancy Grace.
[Nancy Grace, Hln Host, "nancy Grace":] We are getting reports that your son has been found alive in your basement.
[Unidentified Male:] What?
[Burnett:] Nancy is OUTFRONT with this bizarre story. Team USA advances in the World Cup. Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, more Americans in Iraq. Another wave of American military personnel landed today. The actual number of U.S. personnel in Iraq right now is higher than previously thought. We're going to have a full report from the Pentagon in just a full moment. And on the ground in Iraq today, the deadly battle for control of the country is raging. A bomb blast killing 19 and wounding 41 more. A new video of a suicide attack in a market south of Baghdad in which 13 people were killed yesterday. Then a car bomb explosion in northern Kirkuk, which killed six and wounded 21 other. Barbara Starr is at the Pentagon with the details on what the United States is doing right now.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] In Baghdad, nearly 500 U.S. troops are now on the ground including 180 military advisers of the 300 President Obama authorized plus security teams and intelligence analysts already there. Priority one, determine whether the capital is in danger of falling to the ISIS militants. The current assessment? The Iraqi military will keep control and ISIS won't risk all-out war. But there is growing worry about the strength of Iraqi forces across the country.
[Marie Harf, Deputy State Department Spokeswoman:] What we really need to see is the army get back on its feet we have folks there trying to help these elite forces do that and retake territory, but the situation on the ground is very serious.
[Starr:] Iraq's massive Haditha Dam, 170 miles northwest of Baghdad may be the most critical target to protect. ISIS and Iraqi units are battling for control of the largest hydroelectric plant in Western Iraq. The local police chief told CNN government forces are so far holding on to control, but U.S. intelligence is watching closely. If ISIS seizes the dam, water and power for millions of Iraqis is in jeopardy and there's risk of flooding millions of acres. Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki tells the BBC he's happy to have Syrian air strikes against
[Isis. Nuri Al-maliki, Iraqi Prime Minister:] There was no coordination involved, but we welcome this action.
[Starr:] The U.S. does not welcome what it says were Syrian air strikes that reached inside Iraq. CNN has learned U.S. aircraft flying reconnaissance missions over Iraq to collect intelligence are keeping an eye out for both Syrian war planes and Iranian drones. And keeping an eye on threats against U.S. military advisers. This video message reportedly from a Sunni cleric calls for attacks against U.S. Embassies worldwide if the U.S. conducts air strikes in Iraq. Now, the Pentagon has sent a two-star general to Baghdad to lead the military advisory mission and earmarked another general to go to Northern Iraq if that part of the mission actually happens. It's a lot of intellectual muscle power for whatever may come next Erin.
[Burnett:] Barbara Starr, thank you. Joining me now are CNN military analyst, Retired Colonel Peter Mansoor, who was the executive officer for General David Petraeus during the Iraqi surge, and a CNN counterterrorism analyst and a former CIA official, Phil Mudd. OK, great to have both of you with us. I want to start first though with this issue of how many American troops are now on the ground. We're now being told it's about 500, nearly double what we were told days ago was going to be the upper limit. So first of all, is this enough to make a difference?
[Philip Mudd, Cnn Counterterrorism Analyst:] I think it's enough to make a modest difference, but there's not a game changer. There are a few in this story. That's the Iraqi military, that's ISIS and that's villagers. If we think in a civil war 300 or 500 that a couple hundred difference is going to change a civil war, I don't buy it. It's an interesting change. We could talk about why we've made that change. It's not a game changer though.
[Burnett:] Phil uses the word "an interesting change." My question is more of what does it mean that the United States is changing the number by double in just days and not really talking about it? Is this already mission creep? COLONEL PETER MANSOOR
[Cnn Military Analyst:] No, it will be mission creep or change of mission when the president decides it's in the national interests of the United States to back the Iraqi military with air strikes or other military force. What those troops on the ground now are doing is setting up joint operation centers. They're fanning out across the Iraqi army to assess the state of readiness of brigades and divisions. This is more of an assessment mission at this point than it is an actual combat mission or helping the Iraqi army defeat
[Isis. Burnett:] Phil, on this issue of mission, my question still remains making the case to the American people as to why the United States would need to do something right now. You hear the prime minister of Iraq saying thank you, Syria, we're so glad you helped us with those air strikes. But of course, those air strikes came from Bashar Al-Assad so the U.S. says we don't like the air strikes. This is an incredible situation where the enemy of your enemy is your friend and how would you get involved in this and actually know who you're helping and who you're hurting?
[Mudd:] There's going to be a simple question and this won't be clear for a week or six months. When you look at the insurgency we're seeing in Iraq, they're inspired by an al Qaedist ideology. That doesn't mean we'll see that manifest itself today or tomorrow. But overtime, what I've seen in places like Yemen or Somalia is organizations like this will have a sliver of their leadership start to say, our immediate goal is Baghdad. But long term, let's train some of these foreign fighters to go into European cities or Boston, New York or Chicago. We have to worry about if that happens not going in that day and trying to build an intelligence picture immediately. We have to say if we see foreign fighters directly to the United States, what do we do about it?
[Burnett:] Colonel Mansoor, is there going to be an answer to that question? Does the U.S. have really any intelligence? Because clearly they didn't have any intelligence or good intelligence on how severe of a risk ISIS was when ISIS was really just in Syria.
[Mansoor:] It will take time to develop and require boots on the ground to develop it. These ISIS fighters are very skillful. They don't use cell phones that much. You need people on the ground in contact with the Iraqi military that's opposing them in order to gain the kind of intelligence from the locals who would know what ISIS is up to. But this is going to require the Iraqi tribes to come on board because they're the ones that really could put a dent in the ISIS juggernaut right now.
[Burnett:] And do you believe, Phil, that the United States has any sense of what ISIS is really about or what they're going to do? We heard Barbara reporting on the current assessment from the U.S. intelligence. ISIS isn't going to risk an all-out war, but then you see car bomb after car bomb after car bomb in market after market after market.
[Mudd:] I think we have a sense of what they're about, but in the intelligence business, you have to differentiate two fundamental points. First is capability, how many of them are there, where are they, what kind of weapons do they have, how are they moving? So if we choose to use drones against them, can we put lead on the target? That's a fundamentally different question, though, assessing the capability of the adversary from assessing intent. That's what's going on inside an insurgent's head. One message on that because I've talked to terrorists, I've listened to what they said on the radio and listened to what they said when we detained them at CIA, we do not think like they think. They believe they are ordained by God to take territory and to oppose a sense of law that returns that country to the 7th Century. When you have those kinds of beliefs, to think that they're operating rationally, that they're not going to go into Baghdad because they're afraid of being killed is not the way to look at this. They're motivated by a different way of thinking and let's not pretend that we understand it.
[Burnett:] All right, thanks very much to both of you. OUTFRONT next, goals being scored in the World Cup. Is the ball the reason? We have a special investigation. Major new developments in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. I mean, major, this is it, in a sense, the Holy Grail. Were the pilots unconscious when the plane disappeared? And it's the television moment everyone is talking about, a man finds out that his missing son is alive on television live.
[Grace:] We are getting reports that your son has been found alive in your basement.
[Unidentified Male:] What?

[Cabrera:] He believed he was a soldier in a holy war, that's how prosecutors describe Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Opening statements in his federal trial began today. The 21-year-old accused of setting off a series of deadly bombs near the finish line of the 2013 Boston marathon. Now, three people died, including an 8-year-old boy. More than 260 others were injured, some severely having to lose limbs. Now Tsarnaev's attorney took kind of surprising approach in her opening statement before a packed courtroom. She said her client is guilty, that that he was unduly influenced by his older brother, Tamerlan who died in a police shooting after the bombings. CNN's Alexandra Field is in Boston who has been following today's proceeding. Alexandra, what else happened in court today? What stood out to you?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, Ana. The defense isn't even doing cross-exam of a lot of witnesses that the prosecution already brought forward. We're seeing incredibly graphic images of the injuries that were suffered, video of the immediate aftermath of the marathon bombing and we're hearing just incredibly emotional testimony from the survivors, talking about the pain they experienced on that day. The prosecution opened up the trial today making their opening statement, building their case against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. And in that opening statement they spoke in just excruciating detail about the extent of the injuries suffered by the three people who died at the finish line, the 260 others who were injured. The defense, Ana, then got up and said they're not here to dispute the facts of the case. They don't dispute Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's involvement at the marathon, in a carjacking, in the death of an MIT officer, in the shoot-out with Watertown police. But say they are here to draw a distinction about what motivated him to do this. They say that he's a young man unduly influenced by his brother, the mastermind of this. The prosecution says that in fact Dzhokhar was self-radicalized and that he spewing the rhetoric of Al-Qaeda. He left behind a note that parroted that rhetoric before he was found. What's the difference here, Ana? Why does all of this matter? Well, it comes down to phase two of this trial which is the penalty part of the trial. Seventeen of these charges come with a possible death sentence. So the defense will work over the next couple weeks or even months to build a sympathetic a portrait as possible of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Ana.
[Cabrera:] Alexandra Field, thanks you for summing it up for us. The most talked about email address in politics today is hdr22@Clintonemail.com, that's the private email account of Hillary Clinton. The one she used as secretary of state, according to the Associated Press. This was linked to her own server. And now, her critics are having a field day asking why she didn't use a government account and whether she was trying to hide something. Let's talk more about this with A.B. Stoddard, the associate editor at "the Hill." Thanks so much, A.B. Clinton aid say nothing is nefarious what's going on. They turned over email requests. Some 55,000 pages of emails, in fact. Is that a good enough answer?
[A.b. Stoddard, Associate Editor, The Hill:] No, it's not. I mean, even if you give Mrs. Clinton the benefit of the doubt that she's turned over everything, and that even maybe what she did wasn't illegal, I still think you have to look at the political damage it's going to do because of how it looks. You're the secretary of state. You have been involved in the highest levels of diplomacy with countries all over the globe and you choose not to ever conduct business on your government email, that you're instructed to do so when you arrive on the job. No one knew better than Hillary Clinton that when you work in government your communications are no longer private and they're no longer yours. That they are archived when you leave, they have to be captured by the system every single day, every single hour. She obviously aggressively worked around the system to conduct her business only in private, from a server of her own that was located in upstate New York. Just look at what this looks like to voters who don't know the Clintons' background, the history of their secrecy especially hers but not interested in anyone in government covering anything up. They want complete transparency. They want all of government online, millenials especially. They don't want their emails and their phones looked at by the government but think the government should be open and don't like any kind of indication that people are playing by another set of rules.
[Cabrera:] And you do have to wonder, too, if she were thinking about a presidential campaign, didn't she think that this was going to come up at some point? Now, I want to throw in another presidential contender's name, Jeb Bush. He was very outspoken after this, hammered Clinton tweeting this. Transparency matters, unclassified Hillary Clinton emails should be released. And you can see mine here. I mean, he put out some 250,000 plus pages of his own emails. But now we learn that he had his own server as well that he was using and he chose which emails to disseminate. So could that be a problem for him?
[Stoddard:] You know, it's going to be less of a problem for him simply because there's a huge field of other contenders. Mrs. Clinton certainly knew when she took the secretary of state job in 2009. She was likely to run for president again. It was very, very possible. She didn't know she'd be alone in the field. But Democrats are worried now that this is something that she is standing in a solo field, sort of the presumptive nominee, not being challenged in a primary process. They're worried she's not even have debates. What this will do to her when she faces someone ultimately in general election like maybe Jeb Bush. And because she's under investigation by the committee in the Congress over the death of one of our ambassadors and three other people, this story about where these emails are and what they say will be the subject line of her candidacy if, and unless and until she produces the emails. That's not Jeb Bush's problem right now. She also made her feelings dealing as secretary of state more insecure, subject to hackers from unfriendly nations, all her communications vulnerable by refusing to use a secure system.
[Cabrera:] Well, in fact, one of the concerns, the exact security measures taken we don't know yet.
[Stoddard:] And that's not the same as the governor in Florida.
[Cabrera:] A.B. Stoddard, we got to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining me. I really do appreciate it.
[Stoddard:] Thanks.
[Cabrera:] Up next, just a day after a major speech by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, we have new information about the nuclear negotiations with Iran and whether they just hit a snag. Plus, 56 years later why the NTSB is considering taking a closer look at that infamous plane crash that killed rock star Buddy Holly amongst other famous musicians.

[Blitzer:] The Israeli air strikes are targeting Hamas rocket launching and manufacturing sites in Gaza. In recent days, nearly 1,000 rockets have been fired into Israel. There have been casualties, but so far there have been no Israeli deaths linked to those attacks. Earlier, I had a chance to get an up close look at the remains of some of those Hamas rockets. And Micky Rosenfeld is joining us now. He's the spokesman for Israel's national police force. All right, so, Micky, you've collected some rockets, remnants of rockets here. We're in Sarot, not far from the Gaza border. These are rockets that came in from Gaza in recent days, is that right?
[Supt. Micky Rosenfeld, Israeli Police Spokesman:] Yes, what we have here in the Sarot police station, there are a number of different rockets that landed over the last 24 to 48 hours striking in the heart of Israel. These rockets have been fired by the Hamas, aimed at women and children and families. The rockets are brought here to the police station where they're examined. We see exactly what type of rockets they are, how much of a warhead there are, how many of an explosive device there are. And then I can tell you that these rockets, if they were to strike the city itself, they would cause tremendous damage.
[Blitzer:] Now these rockets were not intercepted by the iron dome anti- missile system, right?
[Rosenfeld:] All the rockets that are here haven't been intercepted. The rockets land in and around the different areas in the city. That's why it's tremendously important for the members of the public that are listening to the sirens when they go off to take cover. Where we're standing right now, we only have 15 seconds. If the sirens go off, we're heading straight into a safe zone. Otherwise, we'd be seriously injured or possibly killed.
[Blitzer:] Because we're that close to the Gaza border. All right, so what are these rockets? Give me an example of some of them.
[Rosenfeld:] I'll give you an example of what we have. We have different times of Qassam rockets. The most recent rockets that was fired, in fact, into Israel was, as you can see, a regular Qassam rocket. OK. This is just the leftovers of the rocket itself. We also have, as you can see, the fin of a Grad rocket. This Grad rocket itself is capable of striking within 52 kilometers into the heart of Israel, to the city of Belsheva, where, in fact, until the area of Belsheva are more than 1 million Israeli citizens, women and children, under the threat of these Grad rockets. Military made. You can see the fin on the back. Much more advanced. Ten kilos of explosives.
[Blitzer:] Did these rockets here cause any significant damage or did they land in sort of farmland?
[Rosenfeld:] All of the rockets that have landed and been brought here to the police station, landed in open areas. No direct strikes within the city over the last 24, 48 hours. But our units are on standby ready to respond. Each different area that takes a hit, our police units and our bomb disposal experts are on the scene.
[Blitzer:] It seems, at least so far, relatively quiet today, is that right?
[Rosenfeld:] Well, until now, throughout the morning, 36 rockets have been fired. Within the last 10 minutes, there was a rocket that was fired in Ashkelon, which is just 20 kilometers north of the Gaza Strip,
[Blitzer:] Now, what is this rocket over here? I want to walk over here. This one right over here, what is that?
[Rosenfeld:] This rocket is a rocket that was pulled out of the ground. You can see, I'll pick it up, it's very heavy. This rocket itself is a Qassam rocket. This isn't a military made rocket. It's a rocket that's been welded together with the inside the Gaza Strip. You know, Israel supports and helps the Palestinian population, helping them build the infrastructure, but what they do is they take advantage of both the pipes and the poles and they turn it into a lethal rocket that can strike inside Israel.
[Blitzer:] And these rockets inside here, these are from previous encounters, is that right, in years earlier?
[Rosenfeld:] Yes, the rockets we have over here, the different types of rockets throughout the years, since the year 2005, when rockets were fired inside of Israel. So we have different rockets, both 17 millimeters, 115 millimeters. We know that over the years, the rockets were developed and have succeeded both in terms of the distances that they can be fired, as well as the amount of warhead that they have inside them. The majority of the rockets that we have here landed inside the city itself. And our bomb disposal experts are based inside Zerot to react and respond as soon as the sirens go off.
[Blitzer:] I remember a few years ago when he was running for president, Barack Obama came here as a United States senator. You weren't here, though, when he was visiting here, were you?
[Rosenfeld:] The president came and visited and saw the rockets that had landed over the last 24, 48 hours, when, in fact, he was here. He was briefed on what had taken place in the region altogether, not just around the Sderot area, but in the southern region and what the population, the Israeli population, are up against, when the Hamas are firing into innocent populated areas.
[Blitzer:] I know when he speaks about the Middle East, he often refers to his visit here to Sderot. Micky Rosenfeld, thanks very much.
[Rosenfeld:] Thank you very much.
[Blitzer:] Up next, a bloody weekend in Baghdad. Attackers carried out a massacre in a middle class neighborhood. We're going live to the Iraqi capital. Also, Congress takes up the immigration crisis involving thousands of undocumented children who have slipped into the United States.

[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] We continue to condemn street violence and excessive use of force by either side.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Chaos overseas. Deadly and violent protests are swallowing the streets and countries around the world. Buildings up in flames. Tear gas and rubber bullets fired into crowds. What is going on? We're live on ground.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Cruise ship attack. A woman allegedly assaulted inside her cabin a cruise by a crew member. All because he thought she insulted him. We have the latest.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Speaking out, a juror in the controversial loud music trial speaks she believes Michael Dunn got away with murder. So, why didn't they convict him? Was race a factor?
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Cuomo:] Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, February 19th, six o'clock in the east. Overnight, cities burned and blood spilled in every corner of the world, violence erupting literally from Caracas to Kiev. Dozens killed in Ukraine. The capital was in flames.
[Bolduan:] In Venezuela, the opposition leader has been arrested. U.S. diplomats have been kicked out. Days of violent clashes with police claiming four lives, and tensions are still building. In Thailand, the prime minister has been charged with corruption, bitter clashes between anti-government protesters and police now breaking out in Bangkok with five people killed there.
[Cuomo:] And of course, the situation you hear the most about, Syria, the bloody civil war there, intensifying pressure building on the White House to do something about the slaughter. We're going to tap into the global resources of CNN and bring you the latest on the unrest overseas, why it is happening and what it means to you.
[Bolduan:] First to the unrest in Ukraine. More than two dozen people are dead and hundreds injured in the capital of Kiev. The United States urging restraint as a three-month long standoff escalates out of control. The opposition demanding closer ties to the west while Ukraine's president seems to be cozying up more to Moscow. Let's begin with Nick Paton Walsh who is joining us live from Kiev this morning, a violent it was violence overnight. What's it looking like now, Nick?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, the noise you may hear while I'm talking behind me, that is fireworks, but it's a sign that protesters here have lost none of their energy. They are still engaged in a standoff. They are now lesser in their numbers throwing behind me slightly with police despite last night's remarkable level of violence. Remarkable for Ukraine where political aggression is not really often on the agenda, and here's what we saw just hours ago.
[Walsh:] It's been nearly a decade-long struggle here between Ukraine turning east to Russia or west to Europe. This is where it stood. It's a stalemate. The police closing in, but looking tired even with fewer protesters here the morning after, still more are moving in. [on camera]: After all those hours of violence and casualties, they have been pushed back to a small area on the square, but still, this violent standoff persists. The question being is there any kind of negotiation that can bring an end to these scenes. [voice-over]: The United States seemed to hold President Yanukovych more responsible.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] Force will not resolve the crisis to restore peace and stability. We urge President Yanukovych to de-escalate immediately the situation and end the confrontation.
[Walsh:] But Yanukovych held brief talks with the opposition and afterwards, demanded they renounced radicals in their midst. The talks were pointless said opposition leader, Vitali Klitschko.
[Vitali Klitschko, Ukranian Opposition Leader:] I'm very unhappy because it was no discussion and the president don't want to listen opposition.
[Walsh:] The fury continued into the morning fueled by police violence. Evidence of pellets and rubber bullets displayed. This man told me he was here for the future of the Ukraine. Molotov cocktails and stones, weapons against a modern police force, several of them died too. Ten years ago, the Orange Revolution tried to turn this huge nation towards Europe but failed. Now the E.U. struggling to fend off Russian economic pressure, but many here says they want to be free of Russia's grip. We are here for freedom. We are patriots and we are slaves now. These men tell me this outburst so unexpected, many will hope for calm while Ukraine comes to terms with it. What many people I think look at this as a pitiful moment for this vast country, but also perhaps the future of Europe and the Soviet ideology being pushed now by Vladimir Putin whose Sochi games [inaudible] restore Russia to its global phase. That's why this matters so much. That's why the U.S. has so much at stake here. It's about permitting those who want to face the wars here to have that chance, but also trying to accommodate the interests in taking a close economic ties with Russia and that old Soviet blocked idea is what they need to keep themselves in jobs and their economy healthy. Back to you, Chris, Kate.
[Bolduan:] Very well laid out how delicate the situation is right there as we see the smoke rising behind you. Thank you so much. Let's talk more about this. Joining us from Kiev by phone is Christopher Miller, an editor at the "Kiev Post" in English language publication there. He's been seconding out truly some amazing pictures through social media of the protests. Christopher, can you hear me?
[Christopher Miller, Editor, "kiev Post":] I can hear you, yes. Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Thank you so much for jumping on with us. You've been covering these protests from the very beginning. You have been in the middle of it all and we're showing some of the images you have been sending out. From your perspective, can you describe really the unexpected escalation of this violence?
[Miller:] Yes. Down the street, the mood is incredibly tense, more so than it has been over the last more than two and a half months, nearly three months now. In the beginning, this was a protest that began in response to the president's decision to spurn an E.U. deal and turn towards Russia. And and since then we've seen it escalate month after month, first in December when police raided for the first time injuring dozens of protesters. Again, there were clashes on December 1st. Everybody here thought that that would be the worst of it. Although they're they were afraid that it could escalate further, and it did in January on the street adjacent to where the clashes are happening now. But this type of violence that we've seen over the last 30-odd hours is violence we haven't seen here
[Bolduan:] Can you describe who is committing the violence? Of course, both sides are blaming the other, but what are you seeing?
[Miller:] As far as the men at the frontlines who first instigated this violence, it's a number of people. The people that I've spoke to on the ground have identified themselves from a number of different groups, from the opposition national groups [inaudible] and far right groups to just more radicalized protesters who have grown more angry over the course of the last two and a half months. And helping them, assisting them are normal Ukrainians, men, women, young and old who created human chains and are chipping away at paving stones on the sidewalks and passing them down this line to the front line for these more radical younger and middle age men to heave them across police lines. They're firing fireworks. A number of them were seen with handguns and firing air rifles. Police in turn are using shotguns and cocktails. I was speaking with a group of them yesterday. They told me that they did have live ammunition. They told me that they have these AK-74s. I was able to look at one and confirm, yes, they did have them. They told me they had not been used at that time. There's certainly possession of them. If these guns are used on protesters, you could see the death toll rise from 26, which is the officially confirmed number right now, too much, much more.
[Bolduan:] Well, let's hope that is not what happens today. Our reporters on the ground say there has been no energy lost amongst the opposition, the protesters out there this morning as we see the smoke rising in Kiev this morning. Christopher Miller, thank you so much for jumping on the phone with us. Stay safe. Thank you.
[Miller:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] So we'll go from Eastern Europe now to East Asia, Thailand, where the death toll again is uncertain. Almost a hundred have been hurt after the latest anti-government protests. Violent demonstrations are overtaking the streets in Bangkok. Protesters are taking issue there with the prime minister who is facing corruption charges. A police officer was among those killed. Protesters shot at officers after tear gas was used to disburse the crowd. The thing to watch in Thailand is that protesters have started camping out around the city in Bangkok and their numbers are reportedly growing. Hundreds as a result have been wounded since the fighting began in November.
[Bolduan:] To Venezuela now and the exploding crisis in that country with tens of thousands of protesters taking to the streets demanding their president step down. A top opposition leader is now behind bars charged with conspiracy and murder in connection with the violence that has led now to four deaths. All of this, days after three U.S. officials were expelled from the country. CNN's Karl Penhaul is with us from the capitol in Caracas. Carl, you yourself have been roughed up by all of the mayhem surrounding these protests. Tell me more.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn International Correspondent:] Absolutely. Let me bring up to date first though what is happening on the ground. Leopoldo Lopez, the Harvard-trained economist, the main opposition leader, after his arrest made a brief court appearance last night. He was held in a military prison overnight and is due back in court today. So opposition protesters have made a rallying call to flock to the courthouse. We are expecting tens of thousands of opposition members to turn out. That could prove to be a serious flash point in downtown Caracas in just a short while from now. As you mentioned, we also fell victim to the rising political anger here. We went after dark to take some video of a face-off between some opposition demonstrators and some pro-government supporters. At one point, the National Guard was out there watching trying to keep the peace. At one point, a group of men armed with automatic pistols came around the corner on motorcycles. They disbursed the crowd by driving straight through them. They put guns in our faces, saw our camera equipment and proceeded to take all that equipment away. We're trying to get that back. We understand from one of the national guard majors that the perpetrators may have actually been plain-clothed cops Kate.
[Cuomo:] All right, Karl, thank you very much. Be careful there. We'll continue to monitor this situation. Now all this is happening as President Obama is attending a summit in Mexico today. The trip, of course, overshadowed by this violence as well as the escalating more in Syria. Senator John McCain is calling the Geneva peace talks a farce. He is saying the U.S. has done basically nothing to stop the bloodshed there. Now the White House is reportedly revisiting military options. Remember, it started as diplomacy. There will be military now back to diplomacy. Where do we go from here? CNN's Jim Acosta is live in Toluca, Mexico. Jim, what was it supposed to be about down there, but what is the new agenda?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. That's right. President Obama will be meeting down here with his North American counter parts, the Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto and the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper later on today. They'll be talking about a range of issues, issues that quite frankly have caused the president some headaches as of last. The Keystone XL pipe line, Canadians would very much like to see that project, that oil project approved. That's not likely to happen down here. Also President Pena Nieto would also like to see the immigration reform efforts come to fruition back in Washington. That is also not likely to happen. As you've been talking about some of these world crises over the last several minutes, those concerns will be following the president down here to Toluca, Mexico where the summit will be held. We heard the Obama administration say yesterday that they are reviewing their options when it comes to dealing with the crisis in Syria. But at this point, they are stressing they do not see a military solution to that crisis. As for Ukraine, you heard that news at the top of the program, Vice President Joe Biden called the Ukrainian president, Yanukovych, yesterday evening, urged the Ukrainian president to show maximum restraint according to a statement from the White House in dealing with those protests there. You just heard Karl Penhaul talking about the street clashes in Venezuela. Senior administration official said you may hear something from the president or the White House on Venezuela later on today Kate.
[Bolduan:] Well, a lot of people waiting to hear more from the White House today on all of the fires that seemed to be burning around the world right now.
[Acosta:] That's right.
[Bolduan:] Jim, great to see you. Thank you so much for that. Let's turn now to more breaking news overnight. Two flight attendants and several passengers were injured on a Cathay Pacific airways flight after a jet encountered severe turbulence. The plane was headed to Hong Kong from San Francisco. CNN's Vladimir Duthiers is live in Tokyo with much more on this story. Tell us more.
[Vladimir Duthiers, Cnn International Correspondent:] Hi, Kate. Well, it was terror at 30,000 feet to paraphrase on old "Twilight Zone" episode. As you said, Cathay Airlines says nine people were injured when a Boeing 747 on route to Hong Kong from San Francisco got slammed by that turbulence. The plane was carrying 321 passengers, 21 crew members. It was met at the gate by paramedics and emergency vehicles after it landed at about 6:26 p.m. Hong Kong time. Now the airline says two crew members and six passengers from Flight CX879 were taken to the hospital by those rescue crews upon arrival. Cathay Airlines also says that the plane encountered this turbulence while over the Pacific Ocean and near the island of Hokkaido, which is north of the main island of Japan. But Japanese officials that we've spoken to say it may have been further north. But it happened at about six hours before it was due to land in Hong Kong. Pictures posted in the social media show just how rough of a ride it was. There's luggage and food trays and other items just scattered all over the cabin. Air space over the Pacific at this time of the year is prone to turbulence. And while pilots certainly try to avoid it using radar and weather forecasts, there are times when it can't be detected. It slams into an aircraft unexpectedly. Airlines say the only way to avoid getting injured when that happens, Kate, is to fasten your seat belt Chris.
[Cuomo:] Absolutely, fasten your seatbelt. But I have to tell you, I've been in a situation where there's really bad turbulence, it happens so suddenly that literally a kid who was with a mom in the seat in front of me was instantly in my own lap. It can happen so suddenly and saw what it did to that plane. We'll continue to find out what the fall out was there, any explanation. But again, I think we already know what that's going to be about. All right, so far this morning, the news has been rough. There is no question. So here's a little bit of a silver lining, all right. It's been horrible here weather-wise, but here's what we're told, the temperatures are finally expected to rise across much of the country. That's good. But here's the a little bit of the corollary on that, what happens when all this stuff starts to melt, the potential for major flooding. We have to watch that. Meteorologist, Indra Petersons, is my source for all this information. You're tracking it.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] I don't know if 44 seems like a huge warm-up, but it does. It has been a horrible winter, guys, and New York City is looking for a high of 44 today. Quick jump to the Southeast, a look at these 70s, almost near 80 expected today in through Dallas. But, yes, we know it has been a horrible winter. We're talking about warm temperatures, so snow melt. Plus, another system making its way really into the Northeast, and with the mix of rain and snow, only adding to the melting of the snow already on the ground. So, yes, the concerns for flooding, especially ice jams will be out there. But it's not even this system that we're all focused on. It's the one that you see kind of pulling out of the four corners today, because this guy has the potential for a couple things. One, first, we're going to be talking about such cold air up to the north, places like Iowa and towards Minnesota, looking for blizzard conditions tomorrow. But remember, when you have cold air up here, warm air down here, you have a system making it's way through you, line up the jet stream, we have the threat for severe weather. About 300,000 of you by tomorrow especially looking for the threat not only for strong winds, but even tornadoes could be in the forecast. Indianapolis, Nashville, Memphis, Jackson, again, really looking for that concern. The biggest day will be Thursday. And then, by Friday, we'll be spreading into the mid-Atlantic. So, that's the next heads up. So, yes, flooding a bigger concern today, but definitely a bigger concern as we move towards the end of the week, the threat of tornadoes in the forecast.
[Bolduan:] It's not one thing
[Petersons:] It never ends in my world, but that's a good thing for my business.
[Pereira:] That jet stream sure seems to be messing with us this year.
[Petersons:] Everyone, right?
[Pereira:] Yes, everyone. All right. Indra, thank you so much. Let's take a look at more of your headlines at this hour. This morning, the debate over raising the minimum wage is getting murkier. A new Congressional Budget Office report says raising it to $10.10 would lift 900,000 families out of poverty, but could cost nearly a half million jobs. Right now, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Happening today, round two of nuclear talks with Iran getting underway this morning in Vienna. The U.S. and five other world powers are trying to get the Iranians to scale back their nuclear ambitions in exchange for loosening sanctions. After Tuesday's opening round of talks, Iran's deputy foreign minister vowed his country will never bow to pressure to scrap its nuclear facilities. Back here at home, a Wisconsin National Guard soldier has been suspended after posting controversial photos online. Terry Harrison posted this image of her and her fellow soldiers mugging as they sit around an empty casket draped in a flag. With the caption read quote, "We put the fun in funeral." Harrison has been suspended indefinitely from the funeral honors detail, pending an investigation. A former top aide to Chris Christie is refusing to respond to a subpoena in the George Washington Bridge scandal. An attorney for Bill Stepien says he won't turn over records, saying the request is outside legal boundaries. Stepien is Christie's former campaign manager. Bridget Anne Kelly, Christie's former deputy chief of staff, has also refused to respond. The matter is likely to end up in court. Well, tonight is your last not your last, but your chance to win more than $400 million in the Powerball jacket drawing, sixth largest Powerball jackpot in history. Lump sum, you get, what, $230 million. You can do some things with that. Of course, you're taking your chances, my friend. The odds of winning the big prize, one in 175 million, I got to tell you that, but go ahead. Buy your ticket.
[Bolduan:] Keep hope alive.
[Pereira:] Hope alive.
[Cuomo:] I say it every time I just don't believe the chances that you're going to win matter, because you got a chance, right?
[Pereira:] You got a chance.
[Bolduan:] The underlying still applies say it, I got a chance.
[Pereira:] I got a chance.
[Cuomo:] That said, right? That's what hope's all about. All right. Speaking of hope and aspirations, let's talk Olympics. And, of course, as always, the caveat, we have a spoiler alert from Sochi. If you don't want to hear, but we know you want to. The game, they're taking it in a high gear, as we head for the homestretch. Eight medal events. Already this morning, skiing and snowboarding events are underway. This comes after another big day for the USA. Rachel Nichols has more now from Sochi Rachel.
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Sports:] Well, Chris, how great is this? Half pipe skier David Wise's wife took a photo of their baby daughter, blew it out huge, cut out her head and put it on one of those giant sticks. So when Wise went down the pipe for what turned out to be his gold medal run, he said all he saw was the giant smile of his baby girl. Wise is headlining our great stories from Sochi today. Take a look.
[Nichols:] When it comes to free style skiing, the U.S. is proving unstoppable. Twenty-three-year-old American David Wise showed no fear in the Olympics' first ever halfpipe ski competition. Despite the low visibility, Wise cut through the slush landing impressive flips, twists, and spins. The three-time X-Games champ even ate it during one run. But his previous tricks proved so sick he landed atop that podium, partly thanks to this good luck charm from his wife.
[David Wise, Olympian:] It's funny. Somebody compared us to like the Norwegians for Antarctic events. The Americans are really cleaning up house in these action sports events. I think rightfully so. No matter what contest we're watching, we're all like, oh, well, no matter, one of our friends is going to win tonight.
[Nichols:] On the bobsled track American duo Lauryn Williams and Elana Meyers darting ahead of the track. Williams, a track and field medalist, jumped in to her first bobsled just six months ago. But now, she and Myers are on the edge of grabbing gold. Over on the biathlon course, the endurance fueled 15K all came down to this photo finish. Norway's
[G. Christin Cooper, Nbc:] What's going on there?
[Nichols:] I sat down with Miller who told me he was surprised the interview was so controversial.
[Bode Miller, Olympian:] I felt like it was it was me, not her, you know. She asked questions that I feel like with her knowledge of my brother and the situation, I felt like were were pretty normal questions. But I've known Christin for a long time. I think she's really comfortable with me. And I felt terrible that she was getting just massacred in the press and social media.
[Nichols:] Miller says he's happy to get the chance to set the record straight and happy that in some way, the memory of his late brother did help him win that medal. Bode really eloquent in that interview. And you'll see more of that later in the show, guys. His teammate right now Ted Ligety is leading the giant slalom by nearly a second. That's an eon in ski racing. So, we're on another gold medal watch right now as we speak.
[Bolduan:] Good news. Love starting the day off like that, and love that interview you did with Bode Miller. Looking for ward to more of the interview later. Thank you so much, Rachel. Another spoiler for you everybody time now for our first check of the medal count. That's yours. For the moment, the Netherlands and the United States are tied for the overall lead with 20 medals each. Host country Russia follows with 19. Norway and Canada are just behind. Some events are just wrapping, are just wrapping up. So, we'll have an updated tally in our next hour for you. Let's take a break, though. Coming up next on
[New Day:] Horror at the sea, a female cruise passenger attacked by a crew member who used a master key to break into a room. Wait until you hear how police say he tried to cover up the crime.
[Cuomo:] It's all right. I got you. I got you. It's all right. The Olympics. So, we're covering the loud music trial. What's the big question the big question is how did they not convict? There's been confusion. Well, you're looking at one of the jurors. She says she does believe Michael Dunn got away with murder, but why? You'll hear from her. You decide.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] But, first, I would love your reaction to some of today's news given this rare opportunity to have you on the show. You have called the issues with the Obamacare Web site a, quote, "practical reality check" on President Obama's ambitions. What do you mean by that?
[Charles Krauthammer, Syndicated Columnist:] Well, I mean, the centerpiece of the liberal enterprise as portrayed by Obama, he is a very ideologically ambitious president. And he sees himself as sort of the anti-Ronald Reagan, beginning a new kind of liberalism and adding, you know, the most important element of social Democratic governance which is health care. And that's been his objective. This would be his legacy. If he can't get the thing to work, and it collapses, I think it will jeopardize liberal enterprise, the expansion of the welfare state for a generation to come. And what we heard today, the interview that you just had, with that lady in Chicago, is even worse. It isn't just technical issues. It is the fact that the government, as we heard, mass decided if you have your insurance and you like it, the government will decide that it is junk. The government will decide you have no idea how to decide on your own what you ought to do. A kind of crushing paternalism which I think is quite shocking and it is a symbol of this entire enterprise. Again, if that, if people rebel against that, they are upset of the breaking of the promise on the paternalistic imposition, that could really undermine the liberal enterprise.
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] And Charles, what are you saying to Democrats who pushed back and say at least Obama's trying to do something about the tens of millions of uninsured and trying to improve care? The Republican Party hasn't really done anything along those lines.
[Krauthammer:] The problem with what Obama did is that he had a discreet problem, the underinsured and uninsured. And I believe a decent society ought to look after them and to find a way to do it. But instead of discreetly attacking that problem, what he decided to do is to take advantage of that and to completely remake one-sixth of the American economy. There is no reason whatsoever that the woman you interviewed in Chicago would have to lose her insurance and change her plan because some experts in Washington have decided that there is a better way and what she decided when you are trying to insure the uninsured. It is an example of liberal overreach. Instead of addressing a problem discreetly, narrowly, they decided to review one- sixth of the economy that's what you are getting the pushback, generally from American people and specifically from conservatives whose warrant against this for 4 12 years.
[Tapper:] Let's turn to your book which is a collection of articles and essays you published throughout your career from your early days. Believe it or not, for some viewers, the "New Republic," and then on to the "Time" magazine and then "the Washington Post," you coined the term, maybe a decade ago about, called Bush derangement syndrome, your psychiatrist, an acute onset of paranoia and otherwise normal people and reaction to the policies, the presidency. Name the existence of George W. Bush, you say. There is, without it seems to be, an Obama derangement syndrome as well. Do you think that one is any more acute than the other? Have you been to be able diagnose more cases the other?
[Krauthammer:] Well, to start with, it was largely tongue-in-cheek giving it a serious diagnosis. As you know, when you try ironing in journalism, also the iron is missed. I mean, I actually had a phrase. It came from Howard Dean and I write about it in the column. Howard Dean had been on a
[Tapper:] It is a great book of some of your most provocative and interesting essays. One final question, Charles, in 1994 you wrote a column about how voters loathe politicians. And I'm wondering now if almost 20 years after you wrote that column if you think things are the same, better, or worse.
[Krauthammer:] I think that the things are worse. The government the people are more divided ideologically and part of the reason I wrote the book and part of the reason I included a lot of the politics in there, I do originally intended writing about, you know, the wonderful elegant and beautiful things in life, poetry and music, all the columns on that. But in the end you have to get the politics right. And even though we despise and often despair about the state of the practice of politics and don't like the Congress, and don't like the process, in the end you have to get the politics right because if you don't, all the other things, things that matter will be swept away. And that's why we have to include in our own life, staying involved in politics even though it is a rather grubby and grasp occupation. And it is essential a homage to politics and all of its checkered elements.
[Tapper:] All right. The book is called "things that matter, three decades of passions, past times and politics." Charles Krauthammer, thank you so much. Congratulation and best of luck to the book.
[Krauthammer:] Thank you very much.
[Tapper:] Let's check in with our political panel in the greenroom. Ana Navarro, a state lawmaker in Nevada assemblyman Jim Wheeler, he is now apologizing after saying he would hold his nose and vote to re- institutionalized slavery if that's what his constituents really wanted. So, I guess there is such thing as being too responsive to voters, Ana.
[Ana Navarro, Republican Strategist:] Well, Jake, I think maybe he should do less holding of his nose and more holding of his tongue. You know, obviously this is a very stupid thing. I'm glad Ryan, the governor of Nevada, has condemned it strongly.
[Tapper:] Stick around. More of the LEAD coming up.

[Coren:] Welcome back. Well, former mobster Whitey Bulger says his murder trial is a sham. Bulger lost his temper and got angry in court yesterday. Well, he is charged in connection with 19 murders and in dramatic fashion, Bulger waited until the final moments to announce a pivotal decision. Deborah Feyerick has the story.
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] Lawyers for James "Whitey" Bulger waited until the very last witness had testified before telling the court the reputed crime bust would not take the stand. Bulger addressed the judge calling it was a choice made involuntarily. He had wanted to argue that he was given immunity for is crimes by the former head of New England's organized crime strike force run by the justice department. Well, Bulger appeared angry. He was shaking his finger at the judge and said he was, quote "choked off from making an adequate defense," and he said, quote "I didn't get a fair trial. This is a sham. Do what you want with me." Well, the wife of one of the murder victims shouted, you are a coward. Patricia Donahue's husband, an innocent truck driver, was killed in the cross fire of a murder Bulger allegedly committed.
[Patricia Donahue, Mother Of Alleged Victim:] I yelled out you're a coward because that's what he is. When you claim immunity when you believe that you have immunity and then you kill all these people and then you go to trial and you try to blame it on the justice department and then say, I didn't have a fair trial, well, get up there and tell us that.
[Feyerick:] Bulger's lawyer seemed to have two goals during their week- long defense. First, try to cast doubt on who killed two of the 19 victims, both of them women. Second, shift the blame onto the FBI, specifically agents who either did nothing or did too little to prevent several murders. Bulger's crime partner, Steve "the" "the rifle man" said he saw Bulger strangled the women. But the defense team, however, presented evidence that Flemmi had the greater motive to kill his owned girlfriend and his stepdaughter. The girlfriend, Debbie Davis was about to leave him for another man. A witness testified that Flemmi admitted he quote "accidentally strangled" unquote the stunning 26- year-old. Flemmi acknowledged he lured her to a home because Bulger strangled her because she was talking too much and had become a liability. As for Flemmi's common law stepdaughter, Deborah Hussy, Bulger's lawyers presented evidence that Flemmi had apparently didn't sexually abusing the girl for years. He also called her among other things that prostitute doing drugs. Flemmi says he took her shopping before bringing her to a home where Bulger was waiting. And he said Bulger got a perverse high in strangling her. A number of retired FBI agents and supervisors also took the stand. Several testified they believed Bulger should be shut down as an informant because he wasn't providing useful information. However, they never pressed the issue because apparently FBI headquarters felt Bulger was useful in taking down the mafia. Defense lawyers spent weeks trying to refute the notion that he was an informant which raises the question what was Bulger providing that would in his mind have given him immunity for the crimes in which he is accused, 19 murders, 13 counts of extortion and racketeering. Closing arguments are set for Monday. Each side has three hours and then the fate of James "Whitey" Bulger will be decided. Deborah Feyerick, CNN, New York.
[Coren:] Coming up, a CNN exclusive on the Whitey Bulger trial. You will hear from a key witness. A former FBI agent who spent years trying to take down former mobster Whitey Bulger. Stay tuned.

[Unidentified Female:] ... the shape of an "F" and an "L" and an "R," and just scratchings on a piece of paper.
[Jane Velez-mitchell:] Tonight, as the desperate search continues for beautiful missing 27-year-old Kristy Kelly in Indiana, another woman who went missing around the same time in the same area is found alive, unbelievably, being kept in a wooden cage with a belt as a dog collar and working as alleged sex slave. What happened to 30-year-old Joelle Lockwood inside the trailer of horrors we will show you? And is it connected to the disappearance of still missing Kristy Kelly? Good evening, I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.
[Unidentified Female:] This is my daughter. I will do whatever I have.
[Unidentified Male:] The brave and difficult fight of holding onto hope.
[Unidentified Female:] Please take that extra moment and just look to the side of the road.
[Unidentified Male:] Towering over a map, volunteers mark areas that have been combed. What areas have been searched? Where do we need to go? Hundreds have joined in the search.
[Unidentified Female:] Please, please, I`m begging you from one mother to another mother. We won`t give up, Kristy.
[Velez-mitchell:] Mother of two, Kristy Kelly vanished into thin air in Boonville, Indiana, way back on August 15 after leaving a VFW post about 4:30 in the morning. She had been hanging out with some friends. She left her cell phone in the bathroom. And neither Kristy nor her car was ever seen again. It was just 20 miles away and five weeks earlier that another mother of two, Joelle Lockwood, disappeared after leaving a party. We are now learning that after that party, Joelle accepted a ride with one of her captors, this man, 37-year-old Ricky Roy House. They had apparently known each other since high school. And that`s the woman with House. Things took an ugly turn with Joelle agreed to go to House`s trailer, OK, the trailer he shares with his girlfriend, that woman right there. Cops say once Joelle arrived, she was held as a prisoner, raped, beaten, and forced to remain in a two-and-a-half-foot-tall wooden cage wearing a collar. She was discovered eventually by one of her captors` friends, who just stopped by the trailer for a visit. He said Joelle was wearing just a T-shirt and a collar, begging to be rescued.
[Ronald Higgs, Rescuer:] I`m not leaving this house without her. I don`t care what I`ve got to do. She`s coming home. Stuffed that shotgun right here under my chin with his finger on the trigger. He said, "I`m going to kill you." And you`ll probably bleep this out, but I said, "If you`re going to F-ing kill me, you`d better do it now. I`m going to take this F-ing away from you and beat you to death with it."
[Velez-mitchell:] That man is a hero. He got Joelle out. Joelle`s dramatic reappearance, does it mean police are any closer to finding this woman, Kristy Kelly? I want to hear from you. Do you think these cases are related? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297. Join the conversation. Go to my Facebook page, Jane Velez-Mitchell Facebook. Or talk to me on Twitter, @JVM. We have a fantastic Lion`s Den panel ready to debate these issues, but first out to my very special guest, missing woman Kristy Kelly`s father, Todd Scales. Todd, if I may call you that, thank you so much for joining us on the phone as our expert panel listens. With the news that Joelle Lockwood has been found, I have to ask you, sir, does that give you and I know you`re going through a nightmare of a situation right now, does it give you any hope that your daughter who vanished just 20 miles away in the same time frame could also somehow disappear?
[Todd Scales, Kristy Kelly`s Father:] We can all hope so.
[Velez-mitchell:] Is there...
[Scales:] We cling to that.
[Velez-mitchell:] Have police told you anything about your daughter`s disappearance?
[Scales:] No, they haven`t. We`re still kind of waiting, I suppose. We know there`s still no clues, no evidence of anything.
[Velez-mitchell:] That`s unbelievable. Now, the night your daughter vanished, she was out having a few drinks with some friends at a VFW hall. Her cell phone was found inside the bathroom. The last trace of Kristy came from a surveillance camera down the street at a Tasty Freeze. And you see it right there. It looks like Kristy`s SUV driving past about 20 minutes after she was last seen at the bar. But of course, it`s difficult to tell who`s driving the SUV. Kristy drives a silver 2003 Nissan Xterra, license plate ZF858 [SIC]. She lives, I understand, just over a mile with you, with the parents, with you, Todd, I understand, just about a mile away from the VFW hall she was hanging out at. So what on earth, Todd, could have happened during that one mile or just over a mile after she`s last seen at the bar on August 15 and, in the early morning hours, about 1:30 decides to leave?
[Scales:] That is the question we would like some answers to also. Believe me, it`s ran through our mind many of times. It`s about a four-minute drive from the VFW, so we have no idea what has happened.
[Velez-mitchell:] Now I remember that we`ve covered this story before. She was talking to two friends. She happens to be friendly with the bartender. I believe that bartender is a woman. She had just started at the bar, and she was being instructed, kind of, by the manager. And those two went off to cash out the bar at the end of the night, and when they came back, your daughter was gone. But she had left her cell phone in the bathroom. Is that accurate, sir?
[Scales:] Yes, that would be accurate.
[Velez-mitchell:] They`ve talked to both those people, the manager, undoubtedly, and the female bartender. Did they get any sense that there was any creep weirdo hanging out there that night who may have gotten fixated on your beautiful daughter? Any tips offered by these two individuals? Have you talked to them?
[Scales:] We have spoken with them, and no there was nothing like that going on that we`re aware of. Unfortunately, the VFW doesn`t have any surveillance cameras in their parking lot. So once she went out to her car, we really have no idea what happened at that point.
[Velez-mitchell:] Unbelievable. Well, I want to stop for one second. Let me ask you one more question, Todd, if I may call you that. Did your daughter have any romantic interests, any boyfriend that she may have had a fight with, anything of that nature?
[Scales:] None that she would have had a fight with that again, that I`m aware of. She was seeing a gentleman. He`s been helping in the search efforts and doesn`t seem to be a suspect.
[Velez-mitchell:] And the cops won`t tell you a thing?
[Scales:] Well, they`re like us. They`re still searching for answers also.
[Velez-mitchell:] Unbelievable. Let`s go to that nearby case that was just solved. Joelle Lockwood`s family shocked when she suddenly arrived home. Listen to her mother`s 911 call after her daughter suddenly showed up on her doorstep.
[Unidentified Female:] We have got her. You have Joelle? Yes. Is she OK? Yes, she`s she`s fine. But we have not talked to her at any length yet. I don`t know but a man found her, and she`s alive.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. Lisa Lockwood, investigator, author of "Undercover Angel," initially when we covered these stories, you said that you thought there could very well be a connection between these two disappearances. Both women are about the same age. Both have two children, two young children. Both were even wearing similar outfits, jean shorts and shirts. Both vanished within 20 miles and five weeks of each other. Now that Joelle has been discovered and went through this horrific horror, allegedly, where she was kept in a cage and raped, but rescued by that man that we saw a second ago, does that give you any new insight into whether these two are connected?
[Lisa Lockwood, Investigator/author:] I absolutely thought initially that that was the case, that they were connected. And I`m not even saying right now that they cannot be. I know what police are doing, though. They are searching that area. They`re probably looking for evidence within that mobile home and that community. They`re interviewing and canvassing every single neighbor to see if there was any suspicious in those hours, on that exact day that Kristy Kelly had disappeared. So I`m not saying that they`re still not connected, but what this does is it gives me incredible hope that Kristy may still be alive. Let`s go out to the phone lines. David, Nova Scotia, what do you have to say? David, Nova Scotia.
[Caller:] Jane, this is a pleasure to talk to you.
[Velez-mitchell:] Thank you.
[Caller:] This is great. It kind of reminds me of the Cleveland story where the guy had the three women, was it, down in his basement locked up?
[Velez-mitchell:] Yes, Ariel Castro.
[Caller:] Yes, that guy.
[Velez-mitchell:] Those were all connected. Those were women from the neighborhood. And there had been sort of a general extensive sort of network of friends and family they were somehow intertwined with. My gosh, Holly Hughes, former prosecutor, It`s not farfetched to ask the question could these cases be connected? Anybody who`s crazy enough to allegedly kidnap a high-school friend, he`s charged with unlawful confinement and rape, and then rape her, allegedly, and keep her in a cage, naked in a dog collar, is capable of doing something to two women.
[Holly Hughes, Former Prosecutor:] Absolutely, Jane. What we don`t know at this point, we have heard from some of the initial reports and interviews that the reason he kidnapped her was he wanted to impregnate her, because his own girlfriend could no longer have children. So if you`re going to take one woman for that particular use, why would you not have a back-up plan? I agree with our investigator that this still could still be linked. And perhaps, if he did try to abduct Kristy Kelly, something went wrong, and that`s why she was not found there at the house. So they`re going to continue to look into this, but let`s just hope that we find Kristy alive like we did Joelle.
[Velez-mitchell:] Yes, you know, Heather Hanson, criminal defense attorney, it makes sense. The guy who rescued them said this, which I think is one of the most bizarre things. He says this couple, who had been arrested and we`ve got footage of them. You saw them being arrested this is the woman who was rescued, Joelle. And there is the man who allegedly kept her in a cage and raped her, and there is his girlfriend. And here`s what the hero, who rescued her, said. "The whole time, it was all they was talking about was a baby. She`s not leaving here until she has the baby. I`m not selling her. You`re not taking her. You`re not doing nothing. She told me Ricky was raping her, making her have oral sex. Kendra can`t have more children. Ricky doesn`t have any children of his own. I hate to say this to the public, or even hearing it, but I think they were just going to have a baby and we`d never see her again." Heather Hanson, there`s still a missing woman.
[Heather Hanson:] Yes, I mean, it`s very concerning. And the hope is that, now that we have these suspects and they`ve been arrested, they can search the home, they can search the area around the home. The other thing that you pointed out, Jane, that`s a point well-taken, is that they`re going to look for connections between Kelly and this couple to see because more often than not, people are abducted or kidnapped by people they know. We know that they knew their victim that was returned home. So these are the connections that the police will be trying to make to see whether or not, in fact, there was some relationship between Kelly and this couple.
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, Chris on Facebook says, "Thank you to the friend who rescued her and praying the other woman is found alive." Absolutely. Amy on Facebook: "Too much of a coincidence." So we`re going to take a short break. On the other side, we`re going to continue to talk to the father of missing Kristy Kelly. We want to hear from you. What are your theories? Might these two be connected? I want to ask the dad, have the police come to him and, "No, it`s not connected or it is connected"? Have they said anything to him? Have police looked at the possibility that these two who they`ve arrested might hold the key to this other disappearance? Or are they saying flat-out no connection whatsoever? Stay right there. We`re going to be back with more.
[Unidentified Female:] My granddaughter told me today, because I had to go see my grandbabies. I hadn`t seen them for five days. My grandbaby told me, she said, "Nana, you need to take my back to my daddy`s, because you need to go look for my mommy."

[Lemon:] We're going to talk about Lance Armstrong, as a matter of fact. Lance Armstrong was once a seven-time Tour de France winner and one of the most inspiring athletes in the world. But his dramatic fall from grace has tarnished his legacy. Because a new book called "Wheelmen" claims to give insight into how Armstrong got away with doping for so long and who helped him. CNN's Anderson Cooper spoke to the authors. Both are reporters for the "Wall Street Journal".
[Vanessa O'connell, Author, "wheelmen":] We've always viewed this as sort of a business story. It's more than just doping and cycling or doping and sport. We view this as a story about a business enterprise, essentially. And cheating was at the heart of it.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn:] Did the fact that he also had this charity did he use that to kind of blunt criticism of him or suspicion of him?
[Reed Albergotti, Author, "wheelmen":] Absolutely. I mean the Lance Armstrong Foundation, which is now known as the Live Strong Foundation after this scandal, really was his shield. I mean he was fighting cancer. He was he wasn't just an athlete. He was above all that. And that really, in the minds of so many of his fans and followers, protected him over those 14 years.
[O'connell:] He would even say sometimes, you know, "I survived cancer, why would I take drugs." And people believed it. It gave him special status in the eyes of the public.
[Cooper:] What happens to him now? I mean he is still facing at least one lawsuit, correct?
[Albergotti:] Yes. And it's a big lawsuit
[Cooper:] The Floyd Landis lawsuit.
[Albergotti:] Yes, Floyd Landis filed a lawsuit under the Federal False Claims Act as a whistle blower, as essentially blowing the whistle on the U.S. Postal Services violation of the contract. Lance Armstrong's team violated the contract by doping. And the U.S. Department of Justice has joined that lawsuit to the tune of potentially $120 million.
[O'connell:] The lawsuit really points to some of the business themes that I think we bring up in the book. For instance, Armstrong argues that the U.S. Postal Service should have known. It got this marketing benefit by sponsoring the team because he won so many times. The Postal Service had the benefit of all media exposure of his victories. And he is basically arguing in the lawsuit that the Postal Service should have known he was doping.
[Cooper:] It is obviously incredibly important to him to be able to compete in triathlons. That's one of the things he cannot do now, correct?
[Albergotti:] Correct.
[Cooper:] Was he doping in triathlons after his cycling career? Is that
[Albergotti:] I think there have been allegations that he was. And he was still working with Michele Ferrari. But his side of the story, Lance's side of the story, is that he wasn't doping, he was just sort of helping with the training regimen.
[Lemon:] Tonight, CNN will have a lot more on Lance Armstrong. Watch "
[The World According To Lance Armstrong" 10:] 00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN. Make sure you tune in. You know this week is the CNN premiere the CNN premiere of "BLACKFISH". I've seen this documentary. It is really powerful. The documentary takes aim at the controversial issue of killer whales in captivity. I'm going to talk to its director, next.

[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. Well, here in Northeast Ohio at this hour, a dozen people are quarantined because of contact with nurse Amber Vinson, and there is this. Health officials are also looking for anyone else who might have had contact with Vinson during a three-hour visit to a bridal shop on Saturday. Health officials would like to talk with them. And there is new information about fellow Ebola nurse, Nina Pham. We are hearing from her for the very first time.
[Candiotti:] Overnight, the first critical care nurse to contract Ebola arriving at the National Institutes of Health clinical center in Maryland, 26-year-old Nina Pham, transferred from Texas health Presbyterian in part because of concerns about the limited number of qualified people to care for her. And for the first time, we're hearing from Pham while in isolation, the Texas hospital releasing this video of a doctor thanking her for taking care of the now-deceased Liberian, Thomas Duncan. This on the heels of a shocking revelation, that the second nurse to contract the virus may have been feeling ill since she left Dallas, flying to Cleveland last Friday.
[Dr. Chris Braden, Cdc:] We can't rule out the fact that she might have had the start of her illness on Friday.
[Candiotti:] A federal official tells CNN 29-year-old Amber Vinson said she felt fatigue, muscle aches, and malaise while she was in Ohio and on the flight home. But Amber's uncle says it's not true.
[Unidentified Male:] She felt fine. She felt well until Tuesday morning.
[Candiotti:] The CDC now expanding their outreach to all passengers on board both Frontier Airlines flights to and from Cleveland, and anyone with potential risk will be actively monitored. Vinson's family said she felt she put no one in danger and called a Texas health official who told her the CDC said it was OK to fly.
[Unidentified Male:] If in hindsight someone decides there should have been flight restrictions, that's fine. But to misrepresent and to say restrictions were in place when they actually weren't is inappropriate.
[Candiotti:] It was while in Ohio for a bridesmaids fitting, according to Vinson's uncle, where she first learned fellow nurse Nina Pham tested positive for the deadly disease. The bridal shop owner says Vinson did not look sick at all.
[Anna Younker, Store Owner:] She was probably here probably about three hours, maybe. I had no idea that anything was wrong with her.
[Candiotti:] And that store owner last night telling me that health department officials came to her home, Chris, because they wanted to do a role-playing scenario, asking the shop owner to show them exactly how she interacted with nurse Vinson, exactly what happened there. And the health department is offering to clean up the store if they decide that it's necessary. The shop is now closed, being closed by the shop's owner, only as a precaution. Chris?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] As you know, Susan, they're balancing trying to be safe with how the broader circle makes people even more fearful. So it's a very tricky situation. Thank you for the reporting, we'll check back with you. Now, officials at Texas Health Presbyterian hospital say they are keeping close tabs on workers who came into contact with Thomas Eric Duncan. But even after two infected nurses were transferred for specialized treatment, one of their colleagues is blasting those same hospital administrators. So let's get to CNN's Elizabeth Cohen following developments from Dallas. Elizabeth, competence and confidence go together, and questioning what the management says is going to be part of this, and we're certainly hearing it from this nurse.
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Yes, this nurse is certainly telling us there were problems inside this hospital, that they didn't have proper protocol, and even when nurses spoke up and said they didn't feel protected, that they weren't listened to. And at a Congress hearing yesterday, lawmakers grilled an executive here, and he admitted there was no training for to treat Ebola patients. Now, in doing this transfer, the hospital said they did it for several reasons. They said it created an opportunity to prepare for what might come next. Now, they were vague about that, but certainly CDC director Tom Friedan has said don't be surprised if more hospital workers come down with Ebola. And Chris, you know, another reason why they might have wanted to transfer these patients out, a CDC doctor who works inside this hospital tells me the hospital is two-thirds empty. Financially that is a huge hit. I'm sure that the hospital wants things to go back to normal. They want people to stop being scared to come here to be treated for other diseases. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, they have to be honest about what they did there so they can get better, and hopefully hospitals around the country, Elizabeth, are learning from the mistakes that were made. Thank you for the reporting. Alisyn?
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Let's go to Washington, D.C. President Obama reconsidering his stance on an Ebola czar, saying it could make sense. He's also authorizing deployment for the National Guard to West Africa. But he is not agreeing to a travel ban despite growing calls from lawmakers, including a Thursday's tense hearing on Capitol Hill. CNN's senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns is live for us with the latest developments. Good morning, Joe.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] Good morning, Alisyn. You know, the president has been not been able to get his choice for surgeon general through the confirmation process on Capitol Hill. That's been cited by some as a reason why he might want to appoint a czar even though the surgeon-general typically has been seen as more of a figurehead position. Nonetheless, the president now saying he thinks it might be a good idea to get somebody in there to check all the boxes. Listen.
[Barack Obama,  President Of The United States:] It may make sense for us to have one person in part just so that after this initial surge of activity we can have a more regular process just to make sure that we're crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's.
[Johns:] Now, on the issue of a travel ban on people coming here from the hot zone, the president says he is not philosophically opposed to that idea. However, he thinks the procedures already in place for screening of people coming to this country from there might be better. There have been some who have expressed the position that those coming from the hot zone might actually try to go underground to avoid detection in the event they're actually was a travel ban. One more note, the president has now signed an executive order allowing as many as 4,000 reservists to travel to West Africa to try to deal with the crisis. There's no timetable on that. Nonetheless, it gives the Pentagon the option and makes it a possibility for them to start planning for the future when they do send some or all of those people to Africa. Back to you.
[Cuomo:] All right, Joe, good to know.
[Camerota:] That's for you, Chris.
[Cuomo:] Sorry, Alisyn, I was so moved by what he was saying. It's good to know that they're doing more on the African side of this, obviously, Alisyn. The question is what are we going to be doing on the U.S. side? They don't seem as sure of a plan there. Let's bring in Congressman Tim Murphy. He's a Republican from Pennsylvania and the chairman of the House subcommittee that held Thursday's hearing on Ebola. And let's also bring in chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta from the CNN Center in Atlanta simply because Sanjay always is helpful. So it's good to have both of you. Congressman, let me start with you, a couple of questions quickly. You beat up on the management of the hospital yesterday. They probably deserved it. It made for good theater. But it's also as we see in the hearings, often more heat than light. What did you learn yesterday and what are you going to do with that knowledge?
[Rep. Tim Murphy,  Pennsylvania:] Well, actually for the hospital administrator, I think it was helpful that he said, look, there was some mistakes being made, and I didn't hear that same thing from the CDC and other federal agencies. I think there are mistakes being made. I don't agree with the issue of travel restrictions would cause people to necessarily go underground because that's saying people would be deceptive. And the issue is right now I think we're prone to people being deceptive, perhaps being deceptive to get into this country. Secondly, I don't think the screening taking place right now is going to work on all levels. Someone could take an analgesic or something for their temperature for a while. They've and change the threshold body temperature that will be significant. Also, Mr. Duncan's temperature was below that line, as was the nurse. So I still think with regard to quarantines, restricting travel for people who have been exposed to someone with Ebola, I didn't hear the CDC being willing to move on that. Governors are in states where now people are traveling to. But I love it if the CDC would do more of those important steps.
[Cuomo:] All right, so the question then becomes, what do you want done? The governors are in charge. This is complicated so we ignore it a lot. But for the purpose of this conversation, you know the CDC doesn't have big teeth when it comes to telling states what to do. That's changed over time. States are much more in control. But they're also desperate for guidance on this because they're afraid of being the next Texas. So what specifically would you recommend be done by the CDC, by the White House? What are your ideas, congressman?
[Murphy:] Well, the travel ban quarantines, we asked the CDC repeatedly and I talked with Dr. Friedan about this. Tell us what other authority you need, Congress needs to grant you. Tell us if there's any other advance of funds we can move forward. What authority does the Health and Human Services secretary now have to move funds where they need to move? Let's speed up the advancement of vaccines and other treatments for Ebola so it doesn't get caught up in the multi- year process as we go through. So we laid out eight different proposals there for CDC to act on. And I think that those are things that the president can do by executive order, secretaries can do by executive order, and if they need to call Congress back to do it, let's do it.
[Cuomo:] All right, now, if the president does it, don't sue him over it, congressman, because we know what happened last time he started using his executive authority too often for you guys. All right, so let's take those suggestions, Sanjay and put them to you. Do you like what you're hearing from the congressman? Do you think they will help?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] Well, you know, certainly I think the idea of getting a vaccine sort of fast-tracked in some way. There's a scientific option maybe that would be on the table that would be helpful in West Africa and maybe eventually helpful to health care workers here as well. The travel ban issue is something that's come up a lot obviously. And I know it's gained some momentum. I heard a lot of those questions. There are a couple of concerns, there's real concerns, and the congressman was talking about some of these things. We've got a map. Let me put up the map for a second here. We talk about West Africa, we talk about the areas. If somebody was in one of those countries and was worried that they had suffered an exposure to Ebola, even if you had a travel ban, you worry that they could go to another country by land, as you can see several of those countries there. And then perhaps travel somewhere else around the world, including the United States. I don't know that that travel ban would prevent that from happening. And the concern is those people then wouldn't be tracked. They're no longer somebody coming from an infected country. They may not get the appropriate screening and tracking once they get to the United States. But I think more to the point, and again the congressman touched on this, you know, it would impact the amount of help getting into that area. You know, I've seen this firsthand. I've worked with these aid organizations. We know the military can get in. But the doctors actually taking care of patients, it's going to be more challenging. You tell them they can go in, but they can't get out? These people work in shifts of a few weeks at a time. It would be really, really challenging to get them the mobility. And as a result, the problem would start to get worse, I think, in West Africa. Medically, here would be an analogy. It would be like somebody who is having a heart attack, we're going to give them a lot of pain medication so their left arm pain may go away, but we're not taking care of the heart problem itself. Eventually that's going to cause a body-wide problem. The body in this case is the world.
[Cuomo:] All right, so, Sanjay, the congressman is shaking his head. We've discussed this before. I want to hear your response, but also, remember, you've said in the past congressman, we would let in the aid workers. We would just restrict other travelers. But Sanjay's point is if you make it tough to get in it becomes tough for everyone, no matter what your intentions are. So what's your response?
[Murphy:] We could have other flights authorized to help people move in and out. The president is sending thousands of soldiers in. We can also authorize health workers whether they're coming from nongovernment agencies, such as Samaritan's Purse or Doctors without Borders. We could do those things. I think to put up these false barriers only adds to the fear here. We can do these things. We're the United States of America. We can make those things happen. Another thing we need, however, is there's only two airplanes capable of handling one person at a time to bring people over here. And that's another one of my recommendations. We need to authorize, equip and pay for more planes to do those things as well. Look, America is worried about this. Most countries now in Africa have travel bans. Caribbean countries now having travel bans. Countries around the world are developing this. We can say that if you're an American citizen, someone coming over here, you're going to be quarantined for a while when you come back home if you've been exposed to West African countries or near Ebola. We can do some other screening than just the quick fever check, which I think is unreliable. But we ought to be doing more here than just saying we can't track people around the world so let's give up on that. I don't buy that.
[Cuomo:] There's definitely some issues out there that we have to figure out. There's some changes that have to be made. There's some difference of opinion there. That's for sure. We got to leave the conversation there for right now. But also when we pick it up again, there are blood tests that can be done that cut down on this 21-day period. We don't hear about them being done enough. There's a lot of technology out there to do screening. We're not hearing about it being used, even though the NIH paid for the research for a lot of it. But thank you very much, Congressman Murphy, for giving us some ideas and holding people accountable, and Dr. Sanjay Gupta, always a pleasure to benefit from your insight. Michaela?
[Gupta:] Thank you.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] All right, Chris, thanks so much. It's 13 minutes past the hour. Here's a look at your headlines. Just in to CNN, the Syrian observatory for human rights says ISIS has gained control of three war planes and that former Iraqi military officials are training ISIS members to fly them. Those planes were reportedly seized from Syrian military airports. We know the president will be holding a closed-door meeting this afternoon to discuss ISIS wth the vice president and his National Security Council. The youngest son of Vice President Joe Biden says he is embarrassed by his actions after being discharged from the Navy back in February for testing positive for cocaine. The 44-year-old Hunter Biden says he respects the Navy's decision but is not addressing the drug allegations. Biden is now working as a managing partner at an investment firm. Meanwhile, Turkey's lack of action against ISIS might have cost them an important place at the United Nations, a seat on the powerful Security Council. Turkey campaigned hard with the General Assembly member states but came up short in the vote to fill one of the five open spots. New Zealand, Spain, Angola, Venezuela, and Malaysia were selected. They will serve through 2016. Imagine holding your next fundraiser here, the Sistine Chapel. The Vatican holding its first outside fundraising event there Saturday, Chris, sponsored by Porsche. It includes an after-hours concert inside the chapel and dinner in the Vatican museums. A mere $6400 to attend, with the money going to support Pope Francis' charities. But can you imagine how beautiful that would be, an evening event there? Lovely.
[Camerota:] It sounds wonderful.
[Pereira:] Doesn't it?
[Camerota:] I want to go right now.
[Pereira:] I know.
[Camerota:] It sounds great. Let's do that.
[Cuomo:] Yes, you go get on a plane right now.
[Camerota:] Field trip! All right, meanwhile, the CDC is under fire this morning. Next, we'll talk to someone on the front lines of the Ebola outbreak, who calls the CDC guidelines, quote, "irresponsible and dead wrong".
[Cuomo:] That's not good. President Obama says a travel ban is not the way to go. But he is considering appointing an Ebola czar. Is that the fix? We have a political perspective ahead.

[Pereira:] Making house calls to the homeless. That's how Dr. Jim Wither spends most of his days and nights.
[Berman:] And as Chris Cuomo shows us, he's taking his makeshift clinic idea worldwide.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Correspondent:] For more than 20 years, Dr. Jim Withers has spent his days like this.
[Dr. Jim Withers, Operation Safety Net:] You guys going to stay here or use the shelter?
[Cuomo:] Operation Safety Net is looking for patients.
[Withers:] Do you want a bottle of water? We've seen people out here with all kinds of things that should never be on the street, catheters and tubes coming out of them. Yo, Safety Net!
[Cuomo:] Working in these conditions is rarely easy, but Dr. Jim Withers says turning his back on the homeless in Pittsburgh was never an option.
[Withers:] There were some times when I was kind of scared. I had a guy point a shotgun at me, and I had a guy threaten to cut my throat. But once you get to know people and they become real to you, it's hard to forget them. I dropped you off some firewood.
[Cuomo:] On days like this, when temperatures are below freezing, the stakes are especially high.
[Withers:] When it gets below 15, somewhere in that range, everybody is at risk. So we do extra patrols. Sometimes you sense when a person is giving up, and I found that that is a pretty strong predictor about who might not make it.
[Cuomo:] Withers says the payoff has been worth it. That's why he founded the Street Medicine Institute: to bring his vision to cities across the world.
[Withers:] I think there's just a sense that, if we weren't doing this, there would be no one there for them. And it gives an incredible amount of meaning to everyday work. I wouldn't give it up for anything.
[Pereira:] Simple and impactful. Thanks for joining us at @
[This Hour. Berman:] "LEGAL VIEW" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right after this.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight. The tragic death of 22- month-old toddler boy, Cooper, seemingly left alone for hours in a baking hot car by Daddy. But police say Daddy`s story riddled with inconsistencies after Daddy breaks down screaming, doubled over in grief when he finds his boy dead in a boiling hot car. But was the tot actually murdered? Bombshell tonight. At this hour, we learn detectives retracing Daddy`s steps, and we do the same. Was Daddy`s every move actually caught on camera? And tonight, we also hone in on Mommy`s whereabouts when her tot dies, now just hours away from a courtroom showdown.
[Unidentified Female:] Tragic accident or premeditated murder? As new details are released, what roll did Mom play in the hot car death?
[Unidentified Male:] They both admitted researching child car deaths on the Internet. And you`re going to tell me that after seven hours, he did not smell that baby in the car for about the 10-minute ride?
[Grace:] And to Michigan. After we report a desperate father literally running door to door, begging for help to find his little boy, a stunning turn. We break the news to Dad right here on our program his boy`s alive in Daddy`s basement. As we go to air tonight, the FBI just completing its forensic child interview of little Charlie. At this hour, sources say police insist they will press for felony child abuse andor neglect charges on little Charlie`s dad and stepmother. Arrests to follow?
[Unidentified Male:] We have not done anything wrong to my son.
[Unidentified Female:] Why this 12-year-old boy ended up in the basement for 11 days is about to land on the desk of Wayne County prosecutor... Would you have ever have hurt Charlie?
[Grace:] And then we go live to Wisconsin. A sleepover with three 12- year-old girls turns deadly when two of the girls, obsessed with on-line sci-fi stories, fantasy characters found on bizarre Web sites, lure their 12-year-old little best friend to play hide and seek, and then hold the child down, stabbing her 19 times in the heart, liver, pancreas, stomach, all in a freaky bid to please a magical creature, Slenderman. Tonight, are the two little girls who stabbed their friend 19 times set to walk free from juvenile court?
[Unidentified Male:] They left their friend for dead, hoping that they could then see Slenderman. 911
[Operator:] Is there any bleeding going on?
[Unidentified Male:] Her clothing has got blood on it. Lured her out into the woods, stabbed her 19 times. Doctors determine that Morgan Geyser...
[Grace:] Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. The tragic death of a 22-month-old toddler boy, Cooper, seemingly left alone for hours in a baking hot car by Daddy, but cops say Daddy`s story doesn`t add up after Daddy breaks down screaming, doubled over in grief when he finds his boy dead in a boiling hot car. But was the tot actually murdered? At this hour, we learn detectives retracing Daddy`s steps, and we do the same. Was Daddy`s every move actually caught on camera? And tonight, we also hone in on Mommy`s whereabouts when her tot dies. And right now, check your clocks. We`re just hours away from a courtroom showdown, cops retracing Daddy`s every step. Let`s go straight out to show we do the same, following along in the cops` footsteps. Take a listen.
[Mike Duffy, Nancy Grace Producer:] Justin Ross Harris left the "treehouse," the satellite Home Depot office where he worked as a Web developer, at approximately 4:16 on the afternoon of June 18th. This is the route that Harris would have driven as he left his office. Along the route, Harris would have passed through seven traffic lights. Each of those lights appears to have a camera. Suddenly, Harris pulled into the Acres Mills shopping center. He said this was immediately after he realized that his son was in the back seat. Our recreation of this drive took just under four minutes.
[Grace:] OK, we go in the steps of police and retrace Daddy`s footsteps. We also tonight hone in on Mommy`s whereabouts when little Cooper dies seemingly in the back of a hot car. First, straight out to Haisten Willis, reporter with "The Marietta Daily Journal." Haisten, this ride from the Chick-fil-A to where he parked the car was only one minute and 20 seconds. What do you make of it?
[Haisten Willis, "marietta Daily Journal":] Well, it`s a short ride if there`s no traffic. But that`s a very, very busy area. Any time during the morning, people are going to work.
[Grace:] I agree. Extremely significant. Out to Mike Duffy, who, on our staff, went in the steps of the police to retrace Daddy`s movements that morning. Mike Duffy, how many stoplights between work and Chick-fil-A and other points significant to this case, including the pizza parlor?
[Duffy:] Yes, well, Nancy, between the Chick-fil-A and his place of employment, there`s exactly one traffic light, but there are many cameras in that area. Now, from his place of work to the pizza place where he says he tried to resuscitate the boy, there are seven traffic lights and multiple cameras.
[Grace:] OK, what`s significant about that Haisten Willis, "Marietta Daily Journal," is here you go. Here`s what we see today. In the last hours, we traced his steps, along with police. All of those red lights, Haisten Willis, have cameras on them. Do they show Daddy in the back looking back at his son? Do they possibly catch the boy as he points out one red car after the next? Can it be honed in NASA-style to determine even if the boy`s eyes are open at the time he`s driving along to work? All of this matters. The child is awake at Chick-fil-A, Haisten. Is he awake when Daddy gets out of the car and leaves him to bake? Also, at those intersections, Haisten, are there other drivers? Tell me about the intersections, Haisten Willis.
[Willis:] Well, if there`s just one, there may not be too much information there. What I would like to know is the if he went back there at noon, around lunchtime to check on the back seat, or to check on the car, if he may have looked in the back seat at that time to look at the child.
[Grace:] And Mike Duffy, let`s talk about those seven stoplights on the way to the pizza parlor.
[Duffy:] Yes, Nancy. This is a very busy area. Like we said, there are many cameras. Now, they`re positioned in a bunch of different angles. There`s a shopping mall in the area. There`s a transit hub. There are many opportunities for cops to be able to piece together this route and find out exactly what happened that day.
[Grace:] And that`s not all. Joining us right now out of Raleigh, Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Ben, I want to talk about possible internal GPS tracking inside Daddy`s Hyundai Tucson. Also, can iPhones be tracked of the movements? In addition to that, the possibility of pings, if Daddy was texting or calling at that red light. How can we track his every movement?
[Ben Levitan, Telecommunications Expert:] Well, Nancy, the cell phone`s going to be pretty valuable because police do this every day. It`s called historical cell phone analysis. Every time you...
[Grace:] It`s called what?
[Levitan:] Historical cell phone record analysis.
[Grace:] OK.
[Levitan:] The police are using this every day. They subpoena the records of his cell phone. Any time you make a call, receive a call, send a text or receive a text, your location is recorded. But that`s only about a to about a square mile or so.
[Grace:] OK, to a square mile.
[Levitan:] What`s more valuable is the GPS. It`s going to be about one square the cell phones record what cell tower you use.
[Grace:] Right. OK...
[Levitan:] ... and generally yes?
[Grace:] Generally what?
[Levitan:] Generally, that`s going to cover about one square mile. So when the police identify you as being in a certain location, they can`t pinpoint you. They can just say you`re in an area about one square mile.
[Grace:] Now, in other cases...
[Levitan:] From the cell phone.
[Grace:] ... we have been able to pinpoint tracking the whereabouts down to one city block. And I`m wondering if that can be done here. Unleash the lawyers, Dwane Cates, Peter Odom. Peter Odom, just take off your defense hat for just one brief moment, and let`s analyze this thing. Think back to the days when you were a felony prosecutor, Peter Odom.
[Peter Odom, Defense Attorney:] OK.
[Grace:] Now, why is it so significant that police and we`re following in their footsteps are tracing Daddy`s movements that morning. Why?
[Odom:] Two things. One that you mentioned, Nancy they want to see if they see anything in the car, see the kid or see him looking back. Secondly, they`re trying to corroborate, or alternatively, defeat his story.
[Grace:] Because if they find him, based on what we`re talking about internal tracking, historical cell phone analysis, pings if he goes somewhere else different than what he has told the police, Dwane Cates, he is in a heap of trouble. That`s what`s happening right now, everybody. As we prepare for a courtroom showdown in less than 17 hours, police are analyzing this data to present it tomorrow at a probable cause hearing. What about it, Dwane Cates? If we find out that he veered off and went sightseeing, then he`s in trouble.
[Dwane Cates, Defense Attorney:] Well, and you know what? If we find out that he didn`t, is he not in trouble then, Nancy? I mean, you know, they have this charge first, ask questions later mentality. I mean, out here in Arizona, I mean, unfortunately, kids die in the car all the time, and very rarely are murder charges brought. And you know, and in this case, they brought the charges, and now they`re asking all the pertinent questions. They could have done a thorough investigation before charging this man with murder of his son.
[Grace:] How do you know they didn`t? Put him up! You know, I have just about had it with defense attorneys...
[Cates:] We just went through all the stuff that they did!
[Grace:] ... attacking the district attorney, Vic Reynolds, for bringing these charges because you know what? If he hadn`t brought the charges, somebody would be screaming, You`re not doing your duty. Now everybody`s whining about him having a probable cause hearing tomorrow, where he`s going to lay out the facts that he has to to get this case indicted. Everybody`s saying, Why not have a grand jury hearing in secret? Now, I guarantee you, you two, if the DA had had a grand jury hearing in secret tomorrow instead of this open hearing, you`d be whining and crying about, Oh, he`s having a hearing in secret. That`s not fair. You know what? You want your cake, you want to eat it, too. Well, I`m not having it! I want to get... Hold on. Out to the lines. Hi, Yvonne. What`s your question?
[Unidentified Female:] Hi, Nancy. I was just curious if there`s an insurance policy on this little boy. I mean, both Mom and Dad are looking into how a child will die in a car in the heat? So there`s got to be something behind it.
[Grace:] Let`s get back to the basics. Haisten Willis with us from "The Marietta Daily Journal." He`s right there in the midst of all this. Have police been able to uncover any money motivation in this? Is there a life insurance policy? Because both parents insist that they innocently looked up, quote, "the temperature needed for a child to die in a hot car." What do we know, Haisten?
[Willis:] If there`s an insurance policy on that child, we will find out during tomorrow`s court hearing.
[Grace:] You`re absolutely right about that. The hearing is set down to go down in what courthouse tomorrow, Haisten?
[Willis:] Courtroom P, right on the Marietta Square downtown.
[Grace:] Let`s take a look at the retracing of the steps. Everyone, this is crucial. What police and we are joining with the police to do this are trying to find out let`s see that video is did Daddy deviate from the story he told police? Did he really take the child to Chick-fil-A, take the child into Chick-fil-A, eat, bring him out and go straight to work? Here`s his path. There are plenty of cameras along the way. Was his every move actually caught on camera? Welcome back, everyone. I`m Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us. At this hour, the clock ticking down to a courtroom showdown. Daddy claims he left his tot in the car, a baking hot car, while he worked. Police say it`s one of the most shocking cases they`ve seen, that his story is riddled with inconsistency. Murder, or is Daddy being framed? The cops in the last hours retrace Daddy`s steps. We follow along. Let`s take a look at the points of interest. Let`s see those screens. There`s our drive-along. Take a look at this. Hold, please. Maddio`s front entrance. Now, note, the car, Daddy`s car, pulled over on the back side. That doesn`t mean the father`s trying to hide in the back. We`ve gone to the scene. This is a perfectly normal spot for the dad to pull over, although it says back entrance. Let`s advance. Now, remember, there`s about seven stoplights between Daddy`s work and Maddio`s. Every one has a camera. Dad pulls over there. There`s less traffic there. It`s the back entrance. Is that significant? Did he pull away from where cars were parked so fewer people would see him? Seemingly, no. There you see another shot. There`s a surveillance camera we find as we go to air tonight. That`s where Daddy pulled over. There`s the back entrance. Employees saw him pull over, take the child out of the car. Did the surveillance camera catch it all? Maddio`s back entrance that`s where Daddy pulls over. This is what we`ve learned in the last hours. Also, Mike Duffy, you go to every one of these stores, every storefront. What did you learn? Had police gotten the employees before you did?
[Duffy:] Well, Nancy, it certainly seems that way. I made it a point to go up to every employee and ask, you know, if they had seen this incident, what they think about it, and they all kind of shied away, said that they weren`t supposed to talk about it, and but what I did find out is that they seemed to consider it a very hectic day. And some people even went so far as to say that perhaps the dad was acting a little erratically, walking around, pacing back and forth.
[Grace:] So you learned that, as well. OK, back to Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. You know, these surveillance cameras one on the outside. Every store has them on the inside. How much can we count on them? I personally think there should be legislation that they can`t roll over their video. That happened in the Chandra Levy case, making the surveillance video almost useless. What do you think, Ben?
[Levitan:] Nancy, generally, the most common cameras out there have a seven-day hard disc on it. Basically, every seven days, it wipes itself out. So we`re in the timespan. The problem is, in, I would say, 80 percent of cases where we`ve had to go get a surveillance camera, it was found to be inoperable. People just don`t check these things. There`s so little need for them, they just you know, they put up the cameras, they test them a couple times, and then they forget about them. At this point, when you need it, you find out it`s not working.
[Grace:] Out to the lines. Kelly, Missouri. Liz, let`s see that video retracing Daddy`s steps very quickly. Hi, Kelly. What`s your question?
[Unidentified Female:] Hi, hon. I`m a big fan of yours, Nancy.
[Grace:] Thank you.
[Unidentified Female:] I would like to know, if the father went outside on his lunch break, like he claimed he did, how in the heck could he not notice his baby? You know, he went outside to his car on his lunch break. How could you not know your baby is back there? You know, he`s not in a big bus I mean, not a big vehicle. It`s a small car. You know, and first of all, how can anyone not know that child they put that child in the car to begin with that morning? You know, it`s horrible, horrible and horrible. You know, they need to put these parents in a hot car because I believe the mother`s just as guilty as that father is.
[Grace:] OK. Hold on. Speaking of the mom, we are also we are also retracing her possible movements that morning. Was she working that morning? We don`t know yet. Let`s see the map. How does it relate? Because Mommy`s movements are going to be traced, as well. Ben Levitan, is this isn`t just about Daddy, it`s about Mommy, too. Now, what about their texts to each other, if those can be reconstructed? If they`re deleted, if they`ve deleted their texts, Ben Levitan, can they be regenerated, can they be recreated? And very quickly, Haisten Willis let me hold for Ben Levitan do we expect this cell phone and retrieval data that we have obtained to be introduced in court tomorrow?
[Willis:] Yes, we do. What we`re hearing is police will have to present a lot of evidence and show a lot of their a lot of their cards tomorrow in court.
[Grace:] Welcome back, everybody. At this hour, prosecutors now constructing a case to present. In less than 17 hours, in a court of law, a probable cause hearing will be held in that courthouse wherein the state will lay out a bare-bones case as to why they have chosen to prosecute this man in the death of his toddler boy, Cooper, just 22 months old, apparently baking in a hot car while Daddy worked inside at Home Depot. Michael Christian has taken a meticulous look at the search warrants, what we know has been obtained by police, as we do a ride-along, following in police footsteps, retracing Daddy`s movements that morning. Michael Christian, I find it extremely interesting and possibly probative that they look in the car and take measurements. How can measurements prove a case, inches and feet? Also, I learned they seized Cooper`s carseat. Why?
[Michael Christian, Nancy Grace Producer:] That`s right, Nancy. You know, with the measurements this is a small SUV and it`s going to be pivotal in this case, how far that back seat, that child seat is from the front seat, because that certainly makes a difference about what Justin Ross Harris would or wouldn`t have seen. They also checked the inside of that SUV for fingerprints, blood, DNA, hair and fibers.
[Grace:] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Did you just say blood?
[Christian:] Fingerprints, blood, DNA, hair and fibers, according to the search warrant.
[Grace:] OK, hold on. Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner, pathologist joining me out of Philly tonight. Dr. Manion, if the child had died of heat stroke, would you expect to find blood or vomit?
[Dr. Bill Manion, Medical Examiner/forensic Pathologist:] I may see vomit with aspiration of vomit, but I would not expect to find blood. That`s not one of the autopsy findings.
[Grace:] What do you mean by aspiration of vomit?
[Manion:] The child would vomit when he`s in extreme discomfort, extreme suffering, and then as he breathes in, he breathes the vomit down his trachea, into his lungs.
[Grace:] Dr. Manion, with heat stroke the temperatures were in the 90s that day how long would it have taken the child to have heat stroke and die?
[Manion:] I think within 30 to 60 minutes. The temperature in that car would rise very quickly, and once that child reaches 107 degrees, that`s by definition heat stroke and you`re basically cooking your brain. There are specific autopsy findings in heat stroke, including right-sided cardiac...
[Grace:] Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait a minute! I`m just a JD, not an MD. What? What did you say?
[Manion:] Well, there are there are specific findings. The right side of the heart will be dilated, meaning the right atrium and right ventricle. You`ll see hemorrhage inside the heart, the lining of the heart inside, and venous distension in the veins in the brain. It`s like the veins are dilating, trying to give off heat. It`s one of the mechanisms the body uses to give off heat. The peripheral veins on the outside of the body will dilate and will try will sweat. And the baby was probably panting also in an effort to get rid of all this excess heat.
[Grace:] Welcome back, everyone. At this hour we are preparing for a courtroom showdown as daddy pictured here comes from the jailhouse to appear in court. The prosecution laying its case out for the defense to take pot shots at, why, for this case to be bound over, to be handled in a felony courtroom. Everyone, we are talking about the seemingly hot car heat stroke death of this little boy, 22-month-old Cooper. But police are saying that daddy`s story is riddled with inconsistencies. We do a ride along following in police steps tracing daddy`s foot steps and go a step further, tracing mommy`s footsteps as well, the morning her tot seemingly dies in the baking hot car. Straight back to Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner forensic pathologist, joining us at a feeling tonight. Doctor Manion, as you were saying?
[Dr. Bill Manion, Medical Examiner Forensic Pathologist:] The temperature will rise very quickly in the car and when the temperature of the body is 108 degrees that will be hyper thermic death basically. And as the body is dying, the veins are dilating trying to give off heat. So, there are specific pathologic findings at the autopsy. They should also do a drug screen to make sure this baby wasn`t sedated and left in the car.
[Grace:] Whoa. OK. All right. I haven`t even thought of that. A drug screen, a drug screen, sedated. What do you mean? Sedated with what?
[Manion:] Well, perhaps if he was sedated with some kind of a tranquilizer, something to [inaudible] to make him unconscious so that he wouldn`t suffer. That would be significant finding.
[Grace:] Hold on. Defense Journey Peter Odom waving, he`s got a question, what is it Peter?
[Peter Odom, Defense Attorney:] Dr. Manion, would there be a smell of decomposition or other smell in the car after the child died in this manner, after seven hours, would you expect to find that?
[Manion:] That`s a tough question. I`m not sure, to be honest. I certainly think within 12 hours, 24 hours, certainly. But I`m not sure at seven.
[Grace:] OK. So, that could go either way, Dr. Manion. And I had no idea that the right side of the heart dilated. Because I notice in the medical examiner`s initial findings that he said heshe said this was consistent with the death of hyperthermia in other words heat stroke, but I don`t know why they thought it was hyperthermia. Now I do. Out to the line Samara. Hi, Samara, what`s your question?
[Unidentified Female:] Hello?
[Grace:] Hi dear. What`s your question?
[Unidentified Female:] Do you think that these things is whole premeditated considering that the mother was happy and thankful that the child died and it was for the stupidest reasons, too?
[Grace:] You know what, I hear what you`re saying. Unleash the lawyers, Peter Odom, Dwane Cates. At the child`s funeral, coincidentally the child was buried in a red coffin. He had just come to decide his favorite color was red. When I think of that tiny baby coffin, I can hardly even stand it. But the mom, Peter and Dwane, you know what, for get the lawyers. Let`s go to the shrink. Dr. Stark, started joining so I called just out of New York. The mom talks about how happy she is that the child is dead because he`s not going to have his first heart break in high school, he won`t have to worry about people not sitting with him at the lunch table. OK. I got to say, if my child I can`t even say it. I don`t think that I would have had that reaction, that I`m happy he I mean those are the things I want to help my children through when they happen, and they will happen. It happens to everybody. But to think to think of it in those terms that I`m happy the child is dead so he won`t have to endure that, that he won`t have to endure his grandparents death or his parents` death. I mean, that`s part of life. That makes the happiness in life that much happier.
[Caryn Stark, Psychologist:] And it`s a part of growing and maturing, Nancy. You are absolutely correct. It`s the strangest thing that she said that. I`ve never heard of that before. And if you look at that and then you add that to all of the other things that don`t make a lot of sense, forgetting the child, not seeing the child in the car, it becomes even more bizarre.
[Grace:] OK. Caryn, take a listen to this. This is exactly what she said.
[Leanna Harris, Mother:] I am happy a list of things my son will skip, his first heartbreak, I won`t have to see that. Junior high and high school, I didn`t like it, who to sit with at lunch in those awkward middle school years. He will not have to suffer through the death of his mimi and granddad, the death of me and Ross.
[Grace:] I mean, you know, maybe people take it a different way but when I hear that, it seems more like he was robbed of all of that, not that he was spared of all of that. And when those things happen to my children, I want to be there to pick them up when they fall, not be happy that the child is dead and he won`t endure those things. Let me move quickly to another topic. Michael Christian, you and I have combed through the search warrants and I find very, very significant wording. What we`re talking about is what`s going to happen in about 16 hours in a probable cause hearing in which the D.A. will lay out everything they`ve got as to why they charged daddy with this child`s death. Michael, what did you learn in the search warrants?
[Michael Christian, Nancy Grace Producer:] There`s several warrants that talk about a search of the Harris home, Nancy. But I think the one you`re referring to said it was searched for papers, writings, documents, photographs and evidence of child neglect and child abuse.
[Grace:] And, everyone, to Michigan, a stunning turn, when we break the news to a desperate dad right here, his boy is alive in his basement. At this hour, sources say police insisting they will press for a felony child abuse and or neglect charges on little Charlie`s dad and stepmother. Are arrests to follow?
[Unidentified Female:] Court records show 12-year-old Charlie Bothuell says he`s been abused. The FBI sat down with him to hear his story.
[Unidentified Male:] There`s something there. There`s something their trying to prove.
[Unidentified Female:] Court records show the boy was told to hide in the basement by his stepmother.
[Unidentified Male:] My father would never do anything to hurt his kids.
[Grace:] Straight out to CNN Correspondent Susan Candiotti. Susan, what`s the latest?
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn Correspondent:] The latest is that investigators have now wrapped up meticulously putting together a very complete what they call package of evidence to present to the district attorney who will ultimately decide whether to issue a search warrant. Now, this package that they`ve put together includes information from the interviews they did with that child, of what that child told child protective services about being hit with a PVC pipe, disciplined by his father, that they found scars on his body, old scars. That a grandmother said that he looked as though he was ill with cancer because the boy had lost so much weight since the last time she saw him, that they found bloody clothes in the apartment and blood on the PVC pipe that I just mentioned. And they will include information from an FBI interview also done with this young man looking for consistency in what he said. Did he tell the same thing to the Detroit police as he stayed to the FBI? And it seems like a convincing package of evidence that`s been turned over. But ultimately it is up to the district attorney to decide whether to issue the warrant. And I`m told it won`t be done in a snap.
[Grace:] You know, it`s just so amazing to me that this whole thing started when I heard the father was running door to door trying to find his child and get help. And now, it`s turned into a case of possible child abuse or neglect. What more do you know, Clark Goldband.
[Clark Goldband, Nancy Grace Producer:] Nancy, our CNN affiliate, HLN affiliate is reporting that law enforcement will be recommending charges of either child abuse or child neglect. This comes from unnamed sources, Nancy, that we hear cannot independently confirm. But if that`s true, we could be expecting charges soon once the paperwork is transferred. It`s important to note, Nancy, once this paperwork is transferred, prosecutors may not even file charges if they don`t feel it meets a burden of proof.
[Grace:] Hold on just a moment. Let me just try to interpret what you said in the middle of all of that, allegedly, unnamed sources can`t confirm. I think what you just said is that sources are saying, cops are pushing for child abuse or child neglect charges on dad and step mom.
[Goldband:] That is what a CNN affiliate is reporting, yes.
[Grace:] OK. Charlie Langton, WWJ what more the do you know? When is all this expected to happen? We know that the police have just finished the child forensic interview on the little boy. I know they`ve gone through the home with a fine-toothed comb, found the bloody clothes, the PVC pipe with blood on it and statements by the father. So, when will it all culminate in bill or no bill?
[Charlie Langton, Wwj Reporter:] We know that if those charges, if the prosecutor does authorize those charges that there will be an arrangement whereas the father will voluntarily go in for an arraignment. It`s likely that the charges, as of tonight no charges. Once the police complete their investigation, it`s pretty much, based on evidence that we have, and we`ve already seen in the other court filing, I believe and so does the police that there will be charges.
[Grace:] Wow. OK. I`m not shocked based on what all I have heard but what I`m shaking my head about is this whole thing started with us trying to help the father find the child. Charlie Langton, what would be the basis for the charges of child abuse?
[Langton:] The fact that the father admitted to disciplining the child with a PVC pipe. That PVC pipe was investigated by the FBI. There`s blood on the PVC pipe. Also, little Charlie was examined in the hospital after he was recovered from the basement and there shows scars and a mark of a half circle which very much looked like a PVC pipe on the child`s chest. You put two and two together, it seems like the father alone will be up on abuse charges and that`s really without a whole lot of interviews at this point in time.
[Grace:] The question still remains, who put him in the basement? Because why would the father force him into the basement to live off of cereal and soda and then run door to door looking for the child, inviting the police and the FBI into his home, coming on to our show for a grilling. That doesn`t make sense. OK. Unleash the lawyers. All of these are just allegations. They have not been proven yet. We`re not certain that charges are coming down. According to Langton, they are. Dwane Cates, you hear the basis for child abuse or neglect. Let me know when the satellite is back up. Peter, what do you make of it?
[Odom:] Nancy, this is a difficult one. But I tell you something, the dad was acting like a parent who had lost his kid. And I think they need to ask more questions about the stepmother. He was acting truly like a bereaved father.
[Grace:] OK. Bereaved, please don`t say bereaved, the boy is alive. Although, we also.
[Odom:] But he didn`t know that. He didn`t know that at the time. He though his child might be dead.
[Grace:] We also learned tonight, the boy has actually been moved from his bio mom`s house to protect him from the media is what we`re being told. The boy has been forced to be moved. He can no longer stay at the bio mom`s house. Do I have Dwane Cates yet? Dwane Cates, we`re hearing from Langton charges are coming down against daddy. Felony charges of abuse ore neglect. What do you make of it? Based on what?
[Dwane Cates, Defense Attorney:] Well, I guess they`re going to have to base it on the fact that he used a pipe to discipline his son and again you`re going to get into the age old argument of is it abuse or is it discipline and there`s a fine line between that and that`s going to be the argument.
[Grace:] Did you say abuse or discipline? Did you just actual say that?
[Cates:] Yes, I did actual say that.
[Grace:] So, you think, maybe, it`s OK to beat your child with a PVC pipe? Do you think that`s discipline? Didn`t I meet your son?
[Cates:] I don`t know if it is or not that`s up for the court of law to decide.
[Grace:] I bet you never beat your son with a PVC pipe.
[Cates:] I didn`t.
[Grace:] Well, that`s good to know. All right. You`re saying it`s up to a court of law. All right. Right now, we`re just trying to figure out are they going to bring down charges. And again, these are allegations that haven`t been proven. Odom.
[Odom:] Nancy, you know, there are states that allow physical discipline of children as long as it`s reasonable discipline. I consider it abuse. I consider it abuse. I`ve got two kids that I raised. But there are states that see it as reasonable discipline, as shocking as that is.
[Grace:] Who sees beating your child with PVC pipe is reasonable discipline.
[Odom:] Go talk to the legislatives of the states.
[Grace:] Name one.
[Odom:] New Hampshire for one.
[Grace:] You can beat your child with a pipe in New Hampshire.
[Odom:] I didn`t say that.
[Grace:] Yes, you did.
[Odom:] No I didn`t, Nancy. You`re misquoting me. States allow certain states allow reasonable physical discipline.
[Grace:] And now to Wisconsin as we go to air are the two little girls who stabbed their little friend 19 times leaving her for dead to please a magical fantasy creature, Slenderman, set to walk three free after transference to juvenile court? Straight out to Dan O`Donnell joining me from WISN. Dan, if they go to juvenile, they can get off in as little as one year. In the last hours the girls have a hearing, separate hearings to determine competency, apparently one of them, Morgan Geyser, is going to be deemed not competent to stand trial?
[Dan O`donnell, News Talk 1130 Wisn Anchor:] That`s right. A doctor did determine that she is mentally incompetent to stand trial. In fact prosecutors in that case had the relatively rare step of actually asking for additional testing now to determine whether she could raise the defense of not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. That`s gonna be determined at a later hearing next month.
[Grace:] Unleash the lawyers, with me Peter Odom, Dwane Cates. What this boils down to, gentlemen, they`re claiming that one of them, the alleged stabbers, Morgan Geyser, let`s see a shot of Slenderman in a bid to please a freaky sci-fi character Slenderman, stabbed their little 12-year-old friend nearly to death. Morgan Geyser are doing incompetence to stand trial. Anissa Weier so far not raising it. Let`s not kid ourselves, gentleman. What is this is all about is to get the case transferred to juvenile court. Because in juvenile court they can walk in one year. They`ve already done over a month. By the time this thing goes to trial were credit for time served, they`ll walk even if they`ll found guilty in juvenile court, walk free, stab a little girl 19 times, try to get her to bleed out dead in the woods, and you walk free. That doesn`t seem right, Peter Odom?
[Peter Odom, Defense Attorney:] It seems wrong to me, Nancy, to have children of this tender age in adult court at all. This isn`t strategy. As defense attorneys where we believe that our client is not competent to stand trial, we have to raise it. It`s an obligation. Are you kidding me?
[Grace:] To Caryn Stark. What`s happening here with these two girls now claiming incompetence, well it`s already claimed incompetency. That simply means you cannot assist your client your attorney at trial. That does not mean you`re insane at the time of the act. Didn`t they plan this for two months ahead of time, Caryn Stark? How can they be crazy?
[Caryn Stark, Psychologist:] They could plan it, Nancy, and it really does depend I mean, obviously planning is knowing the difference between right and wrong. But are they finding this girl to be delusional? Are they thinking she`s psychotic or hearing voices? I`m not sure what the test results are. But it`s very strange that they could plan this so carefully unless she planned it in a fantasy world in her head.
[Grace:] And, one last thing, let me remind the lawyers, Dwane Cates and Peter Odom, the state may wanna take this to a jury trial on incompetency which I have done in the past when the defendant claims incompetency. I`m like fine, I`ll get a jury decide that. What about that, Dwane Cates?
[Dan O`donnell Peter Odom Caryn Stark Dwane Cates, Defense Attorney:] Well, you know, jury trial on incompetency generally on whether or not does she knew right from wrong when she committed the crime.
[Grace:] That`s insanity, that`s not incompetency.
[Cates:] Well, most of the time a judge decides competency. And I guess in that jurisdiction if they can do that, then the state may wanna take it to that. Now the state, from what I understand, is having another evaluation done, a second opinion, if you will or a third opinion. And you know, but again, I can`t believe that both girls aren`t claiming incompetency.
[Grace:] Well, I think all of this is maneuvering to get back in juvenile court so they can get a one-year sentence and walk free. That`s what`s happening, everybody. You know what? Let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Staff Sergeant Brian Studer. 28, Ramsey Minnesota, bronze star, combat action match, left college to enlist. Dream of joining the H.A.L.O. trust nonprofit in removing war debris. Parents Ellen and Jean, brother Philip, two sisters. Brian Studer. American hero. And tonight, happy birthday to Florida friend Michaela, straight a student, loves basketball, wants to go to UCONN and happy birthday to Lucille Dent, beautiful. Long time member of her local Methodist church. Happy birthday. Everyone, thank you so much for being with us. Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern. Until then, good night, friend. END

[Kristie Lu Stout:] And welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet. Now another dramatic rescue in the Mediterranean as desperate migrants attempt the risky sea crossing to a better life. Plus, where is Washington? American families trapped in Yemen ask why their government has not come to help them. And a closer look at wearable technology. What companies are doing to put their gadgets on your body. And we begin with two search and recovery missions for migrant shipwrecks in the Mediterranean. The bodies of at least 24 victims have arrived in Malta along with some survivors. Maltese officials say about 50 passengers have been rescued. One survivor says that there were almost 1,000 people on that boat and smugglers locked passengers inside, leaving them trapped on the sinking ship. Now meanwhile at least three people have died in another migrant ship disaster off the Greek island of Rhodes. And Greek officials say that the ship was carrying at least 83 people when it sank. Now 57 passengers have been saved. And rescue crews, they continue their search. European officials say the boat that sank 100 kilometers north of Libya could be the worst migrant disaster in the Mediterranean in years. Now John Ray from ITN has more from the Sicilian port of Palermo.
[John Ray, Itv News:] It is a desperate search that becomes more futile as each hour passes. Hundreds are feared lost to the sea. This is less a rescue and more like an operation to recover bodies. A boat packed with what is thought more than 700 migrants overturned 60 miles from the Libyan coast. Those on board reportedly rushed to one side to draw the attention of a passing merchant ship, causing it to capsize. Better weather has brought an upsurge in numbers making the hazardous crossing. Earlier this week, 400 migrants were feared to have drowned when their boat sank. More than 13,500 have already been rescued in the past week alone. Italy's prime minister called for concerted international efforts and asked for an emergency meeting of European leaders to discuss the crisis. And the pope prayed that the victims and urged the world to respond.
[Pope Francis:] They are men and women like us, our brothers seeking a better life, starving, persecuted, wounded, exploited, victims of war. They were looking for a better life. They were in search of happiness.
[Ray:] The deaths have prompted fresh demands for Europe to reinstate fullscale search and rescue operations as the human cost continues to grow, Europe's leaders are once again facing calls for urgent action.
[Lu Stout:] And that was ITN's John Ray reporting from Sicily. Now for more on the story, let's go straight to Rome and journalist Barbie Nadeau joins me now. And Barbie, we have right now at least two rescue and recovery efforts taking place in the Mediterranean Sea. What's the latest?
[Barbie Nadeau, Cnn Contributor:] Well, the victims of the disaster Saturday night have been taken to Malta. 24 bodies were taken there. And the survivors, 27 of the 28 survivors are on their way to Sicily to the we're not sure quite where, likely the port of Catania. At this point, one survivor was airlifted. And he gave a lot of information about that boat, including that there may have been as many as 950 people, he says, on that ship and many of them were locked in the lower hauls of the ship and lower compartments to balance the weight to try to avoid people moving around the ship too much. Then of course we've got this situation off the coast of Greece where a ship has was very close, hit rocks and sank. And then AFP is reporting that the IOM office here in Rome received a call that as many as three boats are in trouble right now, one with 300 people, we understand, could be sinking as we speak right now. So this problem is just chaos in the Mediterranean right now. It's just both are obviously still coming, both are in distress and the authorities are just trying to rescue as many people as possible at this time.
[Lu Stout:] They're trying to rescue as many people as possible, but still too many lives have been lost at sea. This year alone, at least 900 migrant lives have been lost. We know that officials in the Eurozone, they're going to meet soon to discuss these migrant deaths at sea. What are officials, especially where you are right now in Italy, what are they doing now to save the lives of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean to Italy? And are they doing enough?
[Nadeau:] Well, that is the big question. Today, the prime minister of Malta is here in Rome meeting with prime minister Matteo Renzi to try to discuss what they need to ask from the European Union in terms of assistance and help. We understand, as well, that Frontex may be bringing in more vessels to try to help with the search and rescue operation. But really I think everyone agrees that what they need to do is stop the human traffickers and they need to stop people from leaving the port in Libya and try to just offer some sort of safe corridor, some sort of other alternative for these people who are fleeing such desperate situations. Right now their only way out is by sea. And especially the officials here in Italy and those in Malta want them to stop in Libya and perhaps provide, you know, a way for people to get to Europe safely, because this just isn't working as an escape route from these destitute areas, Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] OK. And also for those migrants who do survive the harrowing journey, when they touch ground, when they reach Italy, how are they treated, how are they being looked after?
[Nadeau:] Well, the big problem right now is where to put the migrants. People are distributed all the way up to the north of Italy right now. And the Italians would really like other countries within the European Union to volunteer to take some of these migrants. Many of them don't have any intention of staying here in Italy. A lot of them join family in France and in Germany and would love to go up to the UK or go to some of the Scandinavian countries. But for the present time they are in camps in Italy. And these camps are overcrowded. Many of them are divided up by regions from where they came. Many are divided families are put together, men are put together, some people find jobs, you know, with the harvest in the fields in Sicily and things like that. But there's just not enough work to support the people while they try to rebuild their lives. And there's a lot of movement. And it's a difficult situation for the Italians because there's an economic crisis here as well. There's high unemployment here for the Italians. They don't want to give up their jobs to the migrants who are coming.
[Lu Stout:] Barbie Nadeau reporting on the ongoing migrant tragedy in the Mediterranean. Many thanks indeed for your reporting. The latest migrant ship disasters, they are just a few in a long string of tragedies in the Mediterranean Sea. The International organization for migration says that more than 900 migrants have died trying to make that treacherous, dangerous journey so far this year. But that figure is now higher, because it came out before these latest shipwrecks. The United Nations says 219,000 people made the journey across the Mediterranean last year, but 3,500 did not survive. Now turning now to a new and disturbing video released by ISIS. It appears to show the militants slaughtering Ethiopian Christians in Libya. Now one group of victims is beheaded and the second group appears to be killed by gunfire. Now this video raises concerns that ISIS may be expanding its presence in Libya as CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson has details. He joins me now. And Nic, in this new video, the brutality of ISIS again on full display. But this footage, it was shot in Libya. So what does it say? What does it reveal about ISIS and its operations there?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, it's a multi- layered message. The principle message of this 39 minute video is that Christians can live under ISIS control as long as they subjugate themselves to ISIS, pay a non-Muslim tax, convert to Islam. And if they don't do that, then they'll be killed. And that's the bloody and barbaric part of this message here. You have those group of 15 men who ISIS say are Ethiopian Christians. They're beheaded on the Mediterranean beach in the north of Libya. Meanwhile, the other 15 Ethiopian Christians are gunned down hundreds of miles away this is what ISIS says on the southern borders of Libya. The indication that ISIS is trying to create here is that they are spread all across Libya. That is not the case. That's what the that's the impression that they're trying to create. And the other layer to this sort of multi-layered propaganda message is because ISIS here in Libya has used the same media group that ISIS in Libya ISIS in Syria and Iraq uses, they're trying to promote the idea here that they are much stronger, bigger, that they're expanding across the Middle East. It's all part of the same group, all part of the same branding. So, it's a multi-layered message from ISIS, Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] Now, what is the situation inside Libya right now. How vulnerable is Libya to ISIS taking route? We know that they're able to shoot and produce videos from Libya, but will they be able to take route and to expand in a meaningful way their operations there?
[Robertson:] They are. They have been. And they are expanding. And this is what we've seen over the past few months. It's been quite a rapid expansion. They sort of supplanted to a greater degree al Qaeda in the eastern city of Dernah, which was known to be somewhere where al Qaeda at least could relatively easily and quickly put down roots. ISIS has expanded beyond there. They put down a foothold inside Sirte, which is on the Mediterranean coast that they're able to conduct attacks on the outskirts of the capital Tripoli, even claiming that attack right in the on the hotel in the center of Tripoli just within the past few months. So, what we have seen from them in Libya is an expansion of the number of attacks and things that they do, an increase of their propaganda from there. And at the same time, you have this sort of the Islamist-based government in Tripoli, the capital, and the internationally recognized more secular government in the east of the country trying to or at least the UN would like them to get together, bury their differences, and rule the country together, run the country together, to stop groups like ISIS growing. But at the moment, those two different governments are not doing that. And ISIS is fully taking advantage, just the same way we've seen it do in Syria and Iraq. It knows it can put down roots and grow while the rest of the country is in chaos.
[Lu Stout:] Nic Robertson on the story for us. Many thanks indeed for that, Nic. And now to Somalia where the militant group al Shabaab has claimed responsibility for a deadly bombing on a United Nations van. Authorities say that six people were killed, most of them UN workers. UNICEF says four of its staff were among the dead and four others were wounded and are in serious condition. Now the blast hit a vehicle carrying UN workers in northern Somalia. The al Qaeda affiliated al Shabaab killed some 150 people when it attacked a Kenyan university earlier this month. Now, Americans are part of the exodus from Yemen, but some who have gotten out wonder why didn't Washington help us?
[Unidentified Female:] I want to ask my president, Mr. Obama, how come we are a third third class citizens? How come our country did not come and rescue us?
[Lu Stout:] Still ahead right here on News Stream, the extreme measures that one American resorted to, to free her family from the war zone in Yemen. Also ahead, a business man's suicide note sends a chill through the highest levels of South Korean politics. And whether it's a FitBit or an Apple Watch, more of today's gadgets can be only worn and not just carried around. We ask our resident tech expert if wearable technology is something we should all buy into.

[Blackwell:] The White House is searching to find someone to replace Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. He resigned this week. The reports are he was pushed out by the administration.
[Paul:] Already, two people, though, have turned down the job even before being offered the position. CNN's Erin McPike has more.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] New leadership should take over at the Pentagon. And for the last two years, the president's term, that's what's going to happen.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Washington Correspondent:] At least how the administration tells it officially. President Obama and outgoing Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel agreed on that. But it's led to more second guessing of the president's management style. And even late night comics are taking shots.
[Jimmy Fallon, Host, "the Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon":] There are rumors in Washington this week that Joe Biden was not happy with the way the White House forced the resignation of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.
[Mcpike:] That narrative may be making the president's challenge of replacing Hagel even tougher.
[Chuck Hagel, Outgoing Defense Secretary:] I would always give you my honest and most informed counsel.
[Unidentified Male:] He served two combat tours in Vietnam.
[Mcpike:] When President Obama was hunting for a new Veterans Affairs secretary this spring after Eric Shinseki stepped down amid the V.A. hospital fiasco, there was no immediate shortlist, because the White House wasn't sure what kind of background would be best for the job. A new attorney general to succeed Eric Holder this fall, his original choices deemed too controversial to pass the Senate so he settled on little know Loretta Lynch. Now, heading into a difficult winter, the White House's only hopes to head the Defense Department, Rhode Island Senator Jack Reed and former Defense Department Undersecretary Michelle Flournoy said no thanks, even before getting the job offer. Number one on the next defense chief's to-do list, carrying out the president's hotly debated strategy against
[Isis. Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] They're going to have to send more over there. They're going to have to have forward air controllers on the ground. They're going to have to have Special Forces people. We're going to have to have trainers.
[Mcpike:] But the big complaint about the defense secretary's past, the Obama White House micromanages. Now, topping the revised list, low-key but experiences Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, who has experience dealing with ISIS on the domestic front. And the former number two at the Pentagon, Ash Carter.
[Blackwell:] All right. Let's go to Erin McPike there at the White House. Erin, how long do you think it will be before the White House finds a replacement for Hagel?
[Mcpike:] Victor, what we have heard from administration officials is that President Obama wants to name someone soon. But keep in mind that at the end of next month, there is a relatively long congressional recess. And then in the first week of January, the new Congress will be sworn in and then there will be a Republican- controlled Senate. So, it will be a while before there are even confirmation hearings in the Senate. And then that person will have to be confirmed, but this could be another couple of months before there is a new defense secretary, Victor and Christi.
[Blackwell:] There are some folks in line ahead of this position. Erin McPike at the White House thanks so much.
[Paul:] Thanks, Erin. Listen, a University of Virginia student reveals what she describes as a horrifying gang rape at a fraternity party. Now, the way the university responded has a lot of not just students but people outraged. We're talking to the student reporter who got a rare interview with a top school official about all of this. Stay close.

[Blitzer:] Got breaking news coming out of Yemen. I want to go to Nick Paton Walsh who's in Sanaa for us, the only Western journalist there. What are you learning, Nick?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Wolf, what we have now are the early signs of a deal potentially between the current Yemeni government and the Shiite Houthi rebels who have taken over the key institutions here. This is the first time we've seen something laid out that looks like a road map out of the crisis. We don't know if these are agreed to yet. We've seen a draft of the deal. I've spoken to an official that outlined key points. In short, it's who would get edits, changes to the new draft of the new constitution. They would effectively see that altered to suit their demand. In exchange, the government would have key institutions released by the militia that have swept into the presidential palace, around the presidential residency as well. They would have the immediate relief of chief of staff who, over 72 hours ago, was kidnapped from the capital city, Sanaa. This is the early stages. We're getting the details from twitter account of the spokesperson of the Washington, D.C., embassy for Yemen and on the state news agencies. These details could change and fall apart. But since this broke out, it's been about who's been in control on the streets. This is the first time we've heard of the deal, points of the deal. If you look at it on the surface, it appears to more or less conform to the full demands put up. We could be seeing some that potentially calms this down, but still early days yet Wolf?
[Blitzer:] Very early indeed. A lot could certainly go wrong. Nick, we'll stay in touch. Be careful over there. The President Obama of the United States struck a different tone last night, one some loved and others not so much. More on that when we come back.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] But he is losing support at home. So will he take his case directly to you, the American people? Meanwhile, let's remember for a minute that this is all about the innocents on the ground and the pain there. That's what started this dialogue. We have Dr. Sanjay Gupta live on the ground with Syrian refugees looking at the very real consequences of that civil war.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Yes, also this morning looking at George Zimmerman in the spotlight. His wife filing for divorce just two months after he was acquitted in Trayvon Martin's murder. What drove them apart? And why does he keep on getting in trouble with the law ever since that acquittal? His lawyer Mark O'Mara, will be joining us live.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Then a great story, the quick thinking actions of a pair of young men helped save a woman's life. They saw her in the back seat of a car and noticed that she mouthed the words "help me." They called 911. Police were able to rescue her. It turned out she had been abducted at gunpoint. We will speak live with one of those young heroes coming up.
[Bolduan:] But first this hour, the White House applying the full-court press for a military strike against Syria. If President Obama ultimately decides to use force against the Assad regime we're getting a much clearer picture of what it might look like. We're also finding out about the possible repercussions of it all. Covering this story like no other network can, so let's start off with Chris Lawrence live at the Pentagon this morning. Good morning, Chris.
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Hey, Kate. Yes, this morning a U.S. embassy is on alert. The "Wall Street Journal" is reporting that the U.S. has intercepted communication, Iran ordering militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. embassy in Baghdad and American there in Iraq. I've been at that embassy when it was shelled by mortars and attacked by other weapons. It is a fortress. But the state department has reissued another warning to Americans who are living outside that compound. The report says this attack would be retaliation only if the U.S. conducts an airstrike on Syria. And we're learning new information there, as well. A U.S. official is telling me that basically one of the options now being considered are airstrikes involving long-range bombers. These would be American pilots, possibly flying directly from bases right here in the U.S. But we're told they would stay well out of Syrian airspace, using long-range standoff missiles similar to what the ships and submarines in the Med can already do. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, Chris, thank you for the reporting this morning. The G-20 economic summit is wrapping up this morning in St. Petersburg, Russia, the final chance for president Obama to lobby world leaders all in one place. Now, they find themselves in the awkward position potentially of having to choose sides, Obama or Putin, when it comes to Syria. Brianna Keilar is with the president in Russia.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Now, all of the world leaders here last night had a dinner last night. It lasted a very long time. Four hours and following that dinner, we heard from Australia's foreign minister who said that the world leaders really stated their position on what they thought on Syria. And he also backed up what we heard from Russia's press secretary, which was they were divided down the middle. Not necessarily on responding to Syria, Syria's alleged use of chemical weapons but whether to work through the U.N., something, Kate, that the U.S. government feels is fruitless because of Russia and China's ability to have a veto on the security council.
[Bolduan:] All right, Brianna, thanks so much for that. Back here at home it appears Obama President Obama is losing support in Congress for a military strike on Syria, at least losing momentum. CNN's latest vote tally indicating if there was a vote today in the House, the president's petition for action wouldn't pass. At this point there's nearly four no votes to every yes vote among representatives in the House. That is among the blowback from constituents back home who aren't convinced. Dana Bash is live on Capitol Hill this morning with more. Good morning, Dana.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Congressional Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. Well, we have seen an unprecedented lobbying effort by the White House. Despite that and the fact that in a bipartisan way, Congressional leaders are behind striking Syria. There are so many, as you mentioned, undecided lawmakers and the momentum that the president looked like he had earlier in the week has really stalled. Now, talking to many lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, there are lots of reasons for that, not the least of which is that the opposition they're hearing from the people who sent them here.
[Unidentified Male:] We sent you to stop the war.
[Bash:] For undecided lawmakers, watching what happened to pro-Syria bombing Senator John McCain back home is a cautionary tale.
[Unidentified Male:] This is what I think of congress. They are a bunch of marshmallows. Why are you not listening to the people and staying out of Syria? It's not our fight.
[Bash:] Even for a town hall veteran like McCain, this was rough.
[Unidentified Female:] We cannot afford to turn Syria into another Iraq or Afghanistan. I beg you.
[Bash:] Lawmakers are hearing that kind of opposition all across the country. It's part of the reason even the president's most loyal supporters, like members of the black caucus, are very wary of authorizing a strike.
[Rep. Greg Meeks,  New York:] Of course, a large number of them say we don't want you to go to war.
[Bash:] A House Democratic leadership source insists to CNN the majority of lawmakers are still persuadable because they have not yet been briefed. The problem for the president is how many, especially fellow Democrats, are reluctant even after attending classified briefings intended to persuade them.
[Sen. Barbara Mikulski,  Maryland:] Where are our allies, and what will they do? I know 37 nations said they would support us, but what does support mean?
[Bash:] Democrat Tulsi Gabbard is a combat veteran of the Iraq war.
[Rep. Tulsi Gabbard,  Hawaii:] We've seen firsthand the extreme cost of war both overseas as well as here at home is something that is giving me a unique perspective but great pause.
[Bash:] She is like many who don't question whether Bashar al Assad used chemical weapons, but do question Obama officials' ability to answer key questions in public or private about military contingencies after the U.S. bombs, like what if Assad fines a way to use chemical weapons again?
[Sen. Susan Collins,  Maine:] Do we strike again? Well, that's the definition of further entanglement. That's the definition of our becoming deeply involved in a war.
[Bash:] Now, many undecided lawmakers who I've talked to say they are doing their homework. They are attending, many of them, more than one classified briefing, seeking out information on their own from military officials and so forth. Many also say they are really hoping that a presidential prime time address, which we expect likely in the next few days, might help them and maybe more importantly their constituents who are calling and urging them in a large majority to vote no. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, Dana, thank you. Let's try to get you more information about which way this seems to be going down in Congress. Let's bring in CNN chief national correspondent John King. John, reports that we're hearing about the White House potentially anticipating a larger scale attack than we've heard so far, reports that they intercepted a message from Iran to attack U.S. interests if there's an attack on Syria. What are you hearing about what this means to lawmakers?
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent:] Well, as Dana just noted, the momentum the president had when the leadership came out, most of the leadership earlier in the week, has stalled dramatically, in part because you hear from Democrats and hear from Republicans and people more in the middle that nobody back home supports this. And to your point about the messages from Iran, what you get there is skepticism, again, why are we going to get involved in the Middle East? When is the last time we were involved and able to do it quickly, efficiently, and effectively? So not only do lawmakers have those questions and saying even after these briefings, some of them, they're not getting answers they like, but that's what they're facing back home. Chris, as I said earlier in the program a top Republican leadership aid trying to help the president tells me this morning, I'd be floored if it passes. To change this dynamic, the president, the president is going to have to do it, including it'll be very interesting to hear what we hear from the president in Russia, and then more importantly, when he gets back home.
[Cuomo:] Are you hearing any plans for a major address by the president? So many people in this country need information.
[King:] Secretary Kerry said himself said during the Congressional hearings he expects the president to address the American people relatively soon. We don't have anything scheduled yet. There are some members of Congress said he should talk to a joint session. The more likely approach we are told from administration officials is an Oval Office address. Look, they understand this. Part of the president's problem here is to help change the tide here at home if he had a big show of support on the global stage, that might help. he's not getting that either.
[Cuomo:] Didn't seem to go that way during the G-20. That's for sure, John. What do you hear about what happens if it doesn't pass? Any word out of the White House he would go it alone?
[King:] They've been careful to not answer directly because they know that would offend many members of Congress who say why are you asking us to take this tough vote if you won't be bound by it as the British prime minister David Cameron was. But watch what the president says when this question comes up today. I think it will be telling to see if his language changes. At his last press conference he said we must act. He said we must act. So the belief is among members of Congress and the belief is if you talk privately to administration officials is the president has made his decision. He wants Congress' support. If he backs down now, boy, the questions about here at home and around the world would accelerate dramatically. The last time the president spoke he didn't answer directly but he's on record saying "we must act" the.
[Cuomo:] Question is, what does the word "act" mean? John King, thank you very much. Sometimes being a leader, it's hard the decisions you have to make where you choose what not to do. Kate, back to you.
[Bolduan:] Chris, thank you. An important health alert for you this morning. Thousands of people have become sick with whooping cough. Several states are experiencing an outbreak. In Texas two babies have died from the illness where it has now there become an epidemic. What is behind the spike? CNN medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is at the CNN center looking into it. Good morning, Elizabeth.
[Elizabeth Cohen, Cnn Medical Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. Kate, we have a perfect storm right now for whooping cough. Kids are going back to school, so once again they're in close quarters. And you have a vaccine that wanes with time.
[Cohen:] The awful sound of whooping cough, a brutal cough that can last for months, a potentially fatal illness, especially for babies and young children who haven't had a chance to get all their shots yet.
[Unidentified Male:] They may have spells of apnea where they stop breathing. One to two out of 100 infants actually can die from this.
[Cohen:] And 16 states in Washington D.C. are seeing an increase in cases compared to this time last year. More than 2,000 cases so far in Texas alone, claiming the lives of two babies. The state is on course to have its worst whooping cough outbreak in over 50 years. Officials this week issuing a health alert warning Texans that vaccinations are vital. But the effectiveness of the whooping cough vaccine fades quickly. By age 11 only seven out of 10 kids are still fully protected. That's why the centers for disease control recommends a booster shot for preteens to protect themselves and any babies they could unwittingly infect.
[Bolduan:] Such scary news for parents to be hearing this morning. As you mentioned kids are all heading back to school at this moment. So what should parents be looking out for?
[Cohen:] You want to look out for a violent coughing fit. You won't necessarily hear that whooping sound. If they're having them and they are exhausted afterwards, that's a sign you should take them to the doctor and ask about whooping cough.
[Bolduan:] Elizabeth Cohen, thanks so much, important news this morning. Talk to you soon.
[Cuomo:] We want to get you more of what's developing. Let's get right to Michaela.
[Pereira:] Let's bring in the headlines at this hour. At least seven suspected militants dead, others injured by U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan. Government officials say the drone fired two missiles striking a house in the tribal region of north Waziristan. That area in the mountains near the Afghan border is home to both foreign and Pakistani militants. Today's strike the 20th deadly attack carried out by U.S. drones in Pakistan this year. Egypt's government denying reports that it has decided to dissolve the Muslim Brotherhood today. Egyptian state media quoting a ministry spokesman who says the infamous group's nongovernmental organization status is being revoked. But another government official says no decision to dissolve the group has been made. Military authorities in Egypt have been cracking down on the Muslim Brotherhood since ousting Mohamed Morsi in July. Back here at home, former New England Patriot turned murder suspect Aaron Hernandez could learn today when his trial will begin. He will be arraigned this morning on murder and weapons charges. He has been held without bail since his arrest back in June in connection with the shooting death of one-time friend Odin Lloyd. Hernandez is expected to plead not guilty to all of the charges. Health officials in Massachusetts and New Hampshire are now monitoring 13 patients who may have been exposed to a deadly brain disease during surgery. The same equipment that was used this summer at a hospital in cape cod, Massachusetts, was used in Manchester, New Hampshire, on a patient officials believe may have died from a disease that has no treatment, no cure, and standard sterilization procedures do not eliminate all traces of that disease from medical equipment. Alyssa Milano's sex tape is the latest video from the folks at "Funny or Die." It seems like it's going to be that way, featuring a guy in a hotel wearing next to nothing. Instead of capturing the action, the camera turns to focus on a newsman giving what amounts to a history lesson on Syria's civil war and why we should pay attention and care about the situation that is going on in that nation. Trickery, but it informs. It's like the old candy bar for vegetable with the bait and switch routine.
[Cuomo:] What was going on in that little mirror? See the second mirror there?
[Bolduan:] No.
[Cuomo:] Did you check out the video? I like it. I like the idea of being provocative and pushing it with these things if it gets people to focus on what matters.
[Bolduan:] And if it gets another group of people who might not turn on the news turn on the news.
[Cuomo:] And what's going on in Syria certainly matters, we all know that. What also matters is what's going to happen with the weather on your weekend. Meteorologist Indra Petersons is tracking the forecast for all of us.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Good morning. I know how you know from California, you turn on the heater. You can answer us this one.
[Bolduan:] Nope.
[Petersons:] I have a heater on last night. It was definitely chilly. We have frost warnings and advisories this morning, temperatures below freezing. In fact here in New York, yes, 50s, but that is 10, 15 degrees below normal. The 30s as we were waking up, Montpelier right now about 37 degrees. Where is fall? That feels like winter to at least some of us. But if you start off cool in the morning you're going to be cool in the afternoon, as well. The temperatures today expected to feel kind of like fall, New York City, 73, Buffalo, New York, only going to be in the 60s today. So definitely a little chilly out there and of course we'll rebound a little tomorrow. By Saturday night in through Sunday, we'll see another cold front go through so, in fact, we'll have that mixed bag this weekend. A hint of rain and cool temperatures again Saturday night in through Sunday. You ask and you shall receive. This is for you, Kate. And by the way, notice your portraits guys? You guys look good here. Nice hunting gear. I don't though where you're going but picked Cleveland for you. I couldn't find the duck hat. I really wanted a duck hat here. Either way we're talking about some showers, it looks like, late Saturday into Sunday. Most importantly, a lot of wind on Sunday. I don't know if that affects hunting. But there you go.
[Bolduan:] I'm sure my father would say when you're talented you can find them in anything.
[Petersons:] Show them some skills.
[Cuomo:] Where did the hat go?
[Bolduan:] I don't know who you stole that from.
[Cuomo:] I didn't
[Petersons:] Liberated it.
[Bolduan:] You didn't.
[Petersons:] A duck hat is so much better.
[Bolduan:] Talk over the break. Thanks, Indra. Thanks so much for my forecast. Coming up next on NEW DAY, a 30-day sentence for raping a teenager. A Montana judge triggered national outrage with that very sentence. Now he is out trying to fix it. So why is the state then trying to stop him?
[Cuomo:] Plus, George Zimmerman may have made it through his murder trial but his marriage, well, doesn't look like that's going to happen for him. We'll tell you what finally drove his wife Shellie to call it quits after standing by her man for so long.

[Cooper:] As we mentioned at the top of the program, there is new word tonight about evidence in Hannah Graham's disappearance that may tie it to the murder of another young woman, Morgan Harrington, five years ago. In a moment we're going to get reaction from Morgan's father and father. But first, the evidence from CNN's Jean Casarez.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Legal Correspondent:] It has been 17 days since Hannah Graham vanished and there is still no sign of the missing 18-year-old University of Virginia student. She was last seen on September 13th.
[Chief Timothy J. Longo, Charlottesville Police:] Nothing. Nothing. It is easy to say that's frustrating. We'll find results, somewhere, somehow, we'll find results.
[Casarez:] Jesse Matthew is now behind bars and held in connection to Graham's disappearance. He may also be the answer to a question investigators have been asking since 2009. Who killed 18-year-old Morgan Harrington? A law enforcement source tells CNN that DNA evidence links Matthew to the Virginia Tech student. It was October 2009 when Morgan Harrington traveled almost 150 miles to attend a Metallica with friends at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. While at the concert, Harrington headed to the restroom but walked outside of the arena. She was not allowed to reenter the show. She told friends that she would find a ride home. According to the FBI she was last seen hitchhiking, never heard from again. A massive search ensued as Harrington's parents tearfully pleaded for her safe return.
[Gil Harrington, Morgan's Mother:] Be strong. We are trying to find you. We will never stop.
[Dan Harrington, Morgan's Father:] Morgan is out there and here is us, please come home.
[Casarez:] Morgan Harrington would never come home. On January 26th, 2010, Morgan Harrington's skeletal remains were found on farmland outside of Charlottesville along Route 29. Police say she was raped and beaten so badly her bones were splintered.
[Gil Harrington:] Our sorrow is etched in our faces, our pain has been carved into our hearts.
[Casarez:] Investigators also found foreign DNA allegedly from Harrington's murderer. Two years later, that DNA matches a 2005 rape case in nearby Fairfax City. The 26-year-old victim gave authorities a composite sketch which investigators released in the Harrington case. But is this Jesse Matthew? Police in the Hannah Graham case won't say, saying only that a search of Matthew's car and apartment provided a link between the Graham and Harrington cases.
[Longo:] I wouldn't speak to what other departments may or may not investigate as it relates to this case or any other case. We're certainly poised to be cooperative and helpful in any way that we can with regard to cases in which other departments might have an interest.
[Cooper:] Jean Casarez joins us now from Charlottesville, Virginia. So why are police more clear about the connection between the cases?
[Casarez:] You know, quite simply, DNA analysis is difficult. I spoke today with the director of the Virginia Department of Forensic Science and that's where they're doing all the testing. He would not comment on this case at all or any other. But he said that DNA testing is so sophisticated because, first of all, they have to look at the quality of what they have. Many times there's mixtures. They have to try to separate and they'll have a speck of something or they'll have a large stain of something, but what is the quality of it? And once they get that DNA profile, they then simply send it to law enforcement. Law enforcement can say we want it retested, which is usually the case and it just doesn't happen in a day.
[Cooper:] All right, Jean. Appreciate that. We're going to hear from Dan and Gil Harrington shortly. But first, I want to bring in Ed Smart, who consulted with them shortly after Morgan vanished, whose daughter, of course, Elizabeth, who was abducted 12 years ago and rescued nine months later. Also forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky, from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Dr. Kobilinsky, let's start with you. The idea of a forensic link, which is term authorities have been using between these two cases with Hannah Graham and Morgan. What exactly does that mean? Do we know?
[Lawrence Kobilinsky, Forensic Scientist:] It's a good question. Well, first of all, I think the investigation of Hannah Graham's disappearance had everything to do with it. The search warrant, the search of the home, I am sure they collected tooth brush, which gives them DNA. They collected hairbrush which gives them hair.
[Cooper:] So that search is what allowed them to get that
[Dna. Kobilinsky:] Precisely. And law enforcement will sometimes get surreptitious samples. They'll pick up a glass that he drank out of or something of that sort. Here you have hair samples, you have DNA samples. You can then compare it to evidence collected off the body. Now from the body we don't know what they got. It is possible they have DNA under the fingernails. It is possible that there is semen possibly on clothing. Certainly not on the body but on clothing. It's possible that there's hair evidence they collected from the victim. So all of this comes together. DNA is a science. We know what we're doing. We can look at mixtures, we can interpret them. I'm sure that we know exactly where we're headed scientifically.
[Cooper:] Interesting. Ed, I mean, you were very supportive of the Harringtons when their daughter was missing back in 2009. I spoke to them earlier, we're going to play that shortly. One of the things that Dan Harrington said to me was that the missing phase, that's really the worst part. That's something you does that ring true for you?
[Ed Smart, Father Kidnapping Survivor Elizabeth Smart:] Absolutely. You know, during the nine months that Elizabeth was gone the not knowing was worse than anything else. And there is a group that I belong to called the Surviving Parents Coalition. Many of them still have children that are missing. And that not knowing is so incredibly difficult. Even if it turns out that they're deceased, it is better to find that out than to go through your life, you know, feeling like a part of your life is missing and that question remains in your mind all the time of issues still out there. What can I do? What am I not doing to try to help bring her home? I think that's why it's so incredibly important for the Grahams to have the public support, to help find her and bring this bring her home to them.
[Cooper:] And Dr. Kobilinsky, the idea that there is a link between Morgan's case and a prior kidnapping and sexual assault that thankfully did not end in a murder. That victim survived. She is a survivor of that attack. Is it does that automatically mean all three are linked?
[Kobilinsky:] Not necessarily, but it sounds like there is a clustering here. First of all, geographically, secondly, although not ethnically, the victims of different ethnicities but they're about the same age, they're college students or high school. In other words, there are too many similarities here. Looks like there is one person on the loose trapping these poor girls and there is an evolution of violence here starting off with kidnapping and rape. And now it is murder.
[Cooper:] And Ed, you've been working with a group called DNA Saves. They're trying to get legislation passed, to mandate the DNA is taken when somebody is arrested in a felony. Is that right?
[Smart:] Absolutely, Jan Savige, her daughter was abducted and found in a garbage dump the next day. And there was DNA underneath her fingernails. And that lead finally brought about finding out who had taken her. And this is the same scenario. So what does DNA is going to provide is answers and, you know, I hate to use the word closure but it leads to answers to what has happened to their children. And the Harringtons are absolutely wonderful people. And they did everything that they could to help, you know, bring their daughter home. And in this same case with the Grahams, unfortunately, it seems like there is potential linkage here. But you know, it goes back to the importance of trying to find her and but DNA is this link. And we have about 28 states that have passed a form of legislation taking DNA on felony arrests. And this really speaks to the issue of why we need to do it and why the other states need to come on board so that we can get answers in these criminal cases.
[Cooper:] Ed, appreciate you being on. Ed Smart. Dr. Kobilinsky, as well. When we come back, my conversation with Dan and Gil Harrington, Morgan Harrington's parents, about their feelings on the news today and their hope that justice will finally come for their daughter's killer.

[Berman:] All right. This morning, ISIS militants trying to make good on their vow to destabilize Baghdad. They set off two car bombs in a Shiite neighborhood, killing at least 14 civilians, wounding another 34. According to police, militant attacks elsewhere in Iraq killed even dozens more. CNN's Ben Wedeman is live for us now in Baghdad. Ben, what's the latest inside that city?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, as you mentioned, there's twin car bombs yesterday, yet another example of how ISIS appears to be and, in fact, ISIS did claim responsibility for some of the bombings, really underscoring their effort to sow terror within the capital and keep pressure on outside. Now, we are hearing that the town near Fallujah, only about 40 kilometers from or rather miles from Baghdad to the west in Anbar province is the scene of some intense fighting where ISIS is gaining more ground there. Now, a better picture to the south of the capital, we were with the Iraqi army and some Shia militia and in the area where they managed to retake land in an area traditionally is sympathetic, shall we say, to al Qaeda, and, of course, ISIS. Now, and the commanders in that area were telling about Saudi fighters and Egyptian fighters, Tunisians and Libyans who are joined ISIS in that area, and the Iraqi army and the militias had been able to capture. But we also saw the problems the Iraqi army and its allies are going to face as they try to take ground from ISIS. Many of the houses still booby trapped. Others completely destroyed. So, even in the areas they retake from that organization, it's going to be a while before the population can return John.
[Berman:] The population extremely sympathetic in some cases to what ISIS is doing there. Ben Wedeman for us inside Baghdad, thanks so much.
[Romans:] All right. Developing news in Hong Kong this morning. Hundreds of police with shields and wire cutters launching a dawn raid on a protest camp that's been blocking a major intersection for nearly three weeks. Police tore down tents and barricades and tried to open the area back up to traffic. Many of the pro-democracy protesters caught off guard. They did not put up resistance. They still occupy a major thoroughfare near the city's financial district.
[Berman:] There has been another Kim Jong-un sighting. North Korea's state media releasing this photo of the reclusive leader, giving field guidance at a newly built residential district. There's no way to verify really when this picture was taken. The leader had not been seen in public since early September, which fueled speculation about his health, even speculation about whether he's really still in charge in North Korea.
[Romans:] Yes, we saw him in September, he's limping. To this country now. The youngest son of Vice President Joe Biden was discharged from the Navy back in February, that was after testing positive for cocaine. This confirmed by U.S. officials. Hunter Biden putting out a statement saying he's embarrassed by his actions. He says he respects the Navy's decision. He did not address why he was discharged. The 44-year-old Biden is now a managing partner at an investment firm.
[Berman:] The head of the FBI warning encryption in some cell phones could hamper criminal investigations. Director James Comey is calling for a legislative fix to restrict technology companies growing use of encryption to protect user privacy. He said if nothing is done, investigators will not be able to get forensic data to solve crimes.
[Romans:] It's such a conundrum for the tech companies, because people want privacy, but law enforcement want to be able to go ask child pedophilia rings and they want kidnapping, they want to be able to have those resources, but people are screaming for privacy.
[Berman:] It's a tough position for the FBI to be in, because I don't think he's going to get a large public outcry for people who say, please, you know, have more access to my cell phone.
[Romans:] All right. Forty-six minutes past the hour. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright going where no diplomat has gone before. She is the new face of Wheaties. Albright tweeted a picture of herself on the Wheaties box saying, "I just finished my breakfast of champions. Thank you." The honor is usually reserve for star athletes. General Mills said a champion is a person who looks inside and challenges their personal
[Berman:] I love that. That's great.
[Romans:] I think it's really cool. All right. After days of testimony, the prosecution will finally wrap up its case against Oscar Pistorius today. We're going to go live to South Africa for the latest.
[Berman:] And it will be a Giant World Series, also a Royal World Series. A Giant versus Royal World Series. It is all set. Game one takes place next week. We will tell you the remarkable, heroic way we got to that point, next.

[Costello:] President Obama and the prime minister of Iraq meeting now against the backdrop of the G7 summit. On their agenda, the fight against ISIS and how U.S. can help Iraq stop the terror group's advance. In a sign things aren't going so great, a possible snub right before that meeting. You see President Obama here sitting on the bench. He's talking with the Italian prime minister and the IMF director. His back is turned to the Iraqi prime minister. He's sitting there besides his translator, and President Obama never turns around to address the Iraqi prime minister. He just walks off. So, was it a snub? An oversight? What? We go to senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta. He's in Austria. So, Jim, it was awkward, but was it a snub?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Yes. I think it's more #awkward, Carol. You know, they try so hard to carefully craft these photo opportunities for the leaders. And sometimes things go awry. I think that's the case here. You have to recall earlier in the day the president shook hands with the Iraqi prime minister. He's currently having a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the summit right now with Haider al-Abadi. We have pictures of that as well. You'll also see in the room, the national security adviser Susan Rice, the White House press secretary Josh Earnest and those new photos and the bilateral meeting that's happening right now. But, you know, Carol, these are things that happen at these summits. There's another great picture that the president's official photographer, Pete Sousa and other photographers captured earlier this morning where Angela Merkel is talking to President Obama and she sort of has her arms like this like what is going on here and having an animated discussion with the president. And, you know, you can try to read the tea leaves but unless we have a read out or verbatim of what was said during these discussions, we don't really know what's being said. We don't really know if a snub is occurring. But I think the evidence shows that that's probably not a snub just an awkward moment when the president did not even realize that the Iraqi prime minister was behind him. But keep in mind, these two leaders have a lot to talk about. The Iraqi prime minister is obviously coming here to the Alps looking for military assistance. We're told by administration officials, don't really expect any announcements on that. The president also wants to smooth over some rough feelings that might be felt down in Baghdad after the U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter told our Barbara Star that he questioned the Iraq's will to fight. I assume the president will add some context to those remarks during the discussion. But, Carol, the other big story out here is Russia and the crisis in Ukraine. The G7 just put out a formal statement condemning Russia's actions in Ukraine continuing to call the annexation of Crimea illegal in saying that those sanctions against Russia are going to remain in place so long as Russia is violating the cease-fire agreements that were supposed to be hammered out months ago. And Russia is clearly in violation of it unless they respect the sovereignty, those sanctions are not going to be relaxed. So, they got a lot accomplished on this agenda. And they almost got out of here without an awkward optic, but they certainly did get that as well. Despite the beautiful scenery here, sometimes the pictures aren't so aren't something you put on a postcard and send home to mom, Carol.
[Costello:] Sometimes. Jim Acosta, reporting live from Austria this morning. Checking some other top stories for you at 18 minutes past the hour. Today, the government is expected to start notifying current and former federal workers, telling them if they are among the millions whose information comprised in the massive hack. U.S. investigators believe they can track hackers to China, although the Chinese government denies any involvement. While the White House is now officially laying blame on anyone, it said it is considering options including economic sanctions as punishment. Fire balls exploded into the sky as crews battled a five-alarm fire at a Pennsylvania chemical plant. It's not clear what caused the blaze which razed for four hours. But officials don't believe the clouds of dark smoke are toxic. There have been no reports of injuries. If you're planning your retirement, consider Phoenix. A new study out this morning says it is the best place to retire. Also, topping the list Arlington, Virginia, right outside of D.C., Prescott and Tucson, Arizona and Des Moines, Iowa, also make the list. The study looked at factors like the cost of living, the crime rate, and walkability. And what city should retires avoid? No big surprise New York City ranked dead last. Still to come in the
[Newsroom:] pork chops, Harleys, and plenty of handshaking. Iowa's caucuses are still eight months away, but already, Republican hopefuls are duking it out for your vote.

[Burnett:] Welcome back to the second half of OUTFRONT. President Obama hacked. Some of the president's 39 million followers clicked on the link of a "Washington Post" story today and instead of going to "The Washington Post", they got a propaganda video about Syria. The Syrian electronic army, you may have heard of them, they attacked new sites, for example, like "The New York Times". They support the Bashar al-Assad regime, and they've claimed responsibility. Organizing for Action, which is the group which controls @BarackObama tried to downplay the incident. But CNN Money reporter Laurie Segall obtained these screen shots which show the hacker group broke into the president's Twitter account and hacked into a campaign staffer's e- mail. Well, Penn State University is paying nearly $60 million to settle claims from 26 victims of Jerry Sandusky. Now, it's not clear to us at this moment when those settlements were made or how the money is being divided among those 26, but what it means is that they aren't able to sue anymore. An attorney for the man known as victim five told CNN his client isn't necessarily happy about the settlement, but he is relieved. Sandusky, the former assistant football coach, was convicted last year of 45 counts related to the sexual abuse of young boys. He is serving 60 years behind bars. Well, an amusement park ride used as a deadly weapon. Put that in the list of things you would never have thought before. But after five people were hurt on a ride at a North Carolina state fair, ride operator Timothy Tutterrow has been charged with three felony counts of assault with a deadly weapon. Witnesses said the called the Vortex stopped, and as people were getting off, it restarted. Some riders falling from at least 20 feet in the air. The 911 calls depict a frantic scene.
[Caller:] We're at the state fair and the ride turned upside down and dumped everybody out. There's people who are bleeding really bad.
[Burnett:] Investigators determined the ride safety devices had been tampered with. Now, an attorney for Tutterrow said he was devastated and that Tim would never intentionally harm anyone. Well, concerns about Apple's growth are growing. First the good news, earnings released today showed sales and profits were better than people were looking for. And apple sold about 35 million iPhones, which is a million more than people were looking for. That's according to Colin Gillis of BGC Partners. But, now, the bad news. Profit margins which is the be all and end all here are shrinking at Apple. And the refreshing of the iPhone and the iPad may not reverse that. There are though other ways to solve this problem. With more than 100 billion in cash on hand, Apple can pretty much buy whatever it wants in terms of growth. And in a letter, the CEO Tim Cook, one investor is calling on Apple buy this Tesla which is now valued at about $20 billion. You might think, whoa, strange, right? But cars these days are run by computers. And they're really the last the frontier to be completely iPaded up. Well, all in the family, in an interview with out Jake Tapper, former Vice President Dick Cheney says the Republican Party needs help and his solution is his daughter, Liz Cheney, who is looking to be the next U.S. senator from the state of Wyoming.
[Dick Cheney, Former Vice President:] First of all, obviously, I'm a big supporter of my daughter.
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Sure.
[Cheney:] But I really believe the Republican Party is in trouble. You know, we've lost the last two presidential elections, and we badly need I think to bring along a new generation of talent.
[Burnett:] A new generation of talent. He didn't say it, but women. Cheney touted his daughter's credentials, two tours at the State Department and a mother of five. He also said the man she's running against, incumbent Mike Enzi, is, quote, "not a bad guy." And now, our fifth story
[Outfront:] Another Obamacare Web site failure. A malfunction crashed the site yesterday, just the day after Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius praised the very same component that crashed as a model of efficiency and security. Ouch! Well, that particular malfunction was fixed, but it is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg and no one has been taking responsibility for all that has gone wrong with the website. The question is and there must be an answer to this at some point where does the buck stop? Tom Foreman has been trying to figure it all out. And, Tom, you know, it would seem like an easy question to answer. But it isn't. How did it go so wrong?
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it would seem that way, would it? You know, we know this. The Obamacare girl who was on the cover here, smiling young woman who graced the federal Web site, has disappeared. We don't know why. Maybe she's not smiling amid all these problems. But it's just as well, because too many people were involved with this from the start. That's what we're learning as this goes on. How did this go so wrong? In a perfect world, most would agree that the Web site should have been developed like this. The White House, President Obama, would establish some outlined some outlines, some goals. The Department of Health and Human Services under Kathleen Sebelius would come up with a plan to reach those goals. An agency, in this case, the centers for Medicaid and Medicare centers would hire computer programmers to make it all happen. And voila, there is your fully functional Web site. But from the beginning, it appears there was a political, as well as a practical side to this effort. As the policymakers dreamed up things for the Web site to do, programmers weren't always in the loop to discuss if it was possible. Furthermore, you saw a few of the big companies hired for this job in front of Congress being grilled on what went wrong. But there were, in fact, dozens of subcontractors down here running hundreds of millions of lines of computer code. Testimony indicates some had little knowledge of how their work would coordinate with the work of others. They faced changing demands as political fights over this program raged and communications between them were all sketchy. So, you ended up with this incredibly tangled web of lines going on between here and between the White House and between everyone. And in the end, plenty of commands were being given, but no one person was clearly in charge, including the president, who, as his own officials now say, was unaware that this tangled mess was building down here, Erin. So the problem in finding who to blame is to say someone had to be responsible. And effectively, everybody in the chain was saying, no, somebody else was in charge of this part of it. That's why it's hard to pin it on one person.
[Burnett:] Right. And, of course, the program will be, well, do they try to do that and pin it on a person that no one heard of? Or do they say look, ultimately, the buck stops, say, at the Kathleen Sebelius level? I mean, that's going to be the big question, and, Tom, because it gets worse, right? This isn't like let's just go untangled the web, which in it of itself would be very, very difficult to do, right? They're actually saying you might have to start from scratch. Rewrite millions of lines of computer code to fix this. I mean, should they just possibly scrap the whole thing and start again as some in Congress have suggested? Or no?
[Foreman:] You're absolutely right. There are some out there who say shut it all down, start all over. That's the way to solve it, especially after things like this weekend. But the administration basically says no. Considering this Web site has already cost more than $300 million. And parts of it are working despite all of these troubles. So, the White House has now put one guy in charge, Jeffrey Zients with one company acting as the general contractor, trying to get back into this clean line of command that they should have had from the beginning and they hope that if they can do this, they can have the Web site off the critical list by the end of November. But, again, Erin, if you see more things happen like happened this past weekend, you will hear more calls from people saying scrap the whole thing, throw away the money, start over, even if you want Obamacare to work. And some, of course, don't want it to work Erin.
[Burnett:] Right. Well, it's a fair point. Some don't. But even some that do are coming around to that point of view. We'll see. Tom Foreman, thank you. And our sixth story OUTFRONT tonight, an exclusive
[Outfront:] terror is on the rise. This is a stark assessment. And it is obtained exclusively by CNN. It is found a stunning rise in terrorist attacks around the globe, and according to this new report, the attacks are becoming even more deadly. Chris Lawrence is OUTFRONT with the exclusive.
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Corresondent:] It's not your imagination. Terrorists are launching more attacks like this deadly assault on a Nairobi mall. And it's likely the world will see even more violence next year. CNN obtained exclusive access to an upcoming report from Stark, a group that tracks terrorism around the world. It found there were 69 percent more terrorist attacks in 2012 than the year before. There was an 89 percent jump in deaths. And with well over 5,000 attacks in June of this year, the future looks even deadlier.
[Daniel Benjamin, Former Commissioner For Counterterrorism, State Department:] And I expect we'll see that reflected in even more violence in 2013 and even higher numbers.
[Lawrence:] Dan Benjamin was the terrorism coordinator at the State Department. He says many of today's militant groups judge success by the number of people killed, including civilians.
[Benjamin:] The old red lines, the old barriers are all gone.
[Lawrence:] Six of the seven deadliest groups are affiliated with al Qaeda, including Afghanistan's Taliban and Nigeria's Boko Haram, which is going after Christian targets. The targeting of other religions or Muslims of a different sect is driving the casualty rate higher.
[Benjamin:] It's much more like warfare, it's warfare using the tools of terrorism.
[Lawrence:] But the violence is more concentrated than you might think. Three countries: Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan suffered more than half the attacks and the casualties. Now, the flip side to some of those numbers is what's happening here in the United States, the threat to civilians in the U.S. and Western Europe and even parts of Eastern Asia actually may be declining, which is good news for the citizens that live there Erin.
[Burnett:] All right, Chris, thank you very much. Good news. And, again, everyone, that brings us back to our question of the night. Does changes in the NSA and the spying, will that change that or not? Rapper Jay-Z says he is being unfairly demonized for teaming up with the high-end retailers Barneys. So, two of the store's customers who are black say they were racially profiled at Barneys after they were detained by police when they bought expensive things. Since then, a lot of people, hundreds, have taken to Twitter, more than 16,000 have signed an online petition end his partnership with Barneys. And this puts Jay-Z in a rather awkward position. He's about to launch a collection with Barneys, clothing and jewelry and even decorate one of their famed Christmas windows. The money from the deal is going to a charity. It's not like he's keeping it for himself. The question is, will sticking with Barneys hurt his brand as a rapper? Now, the truth is probably not. He and his wife Beyonce have had a number of income streams, jewelry, clothing, cosmetics, even sports team. Jay-Z is worth $500 million. And when you add that to his wife, they have well over a billion dollars. Which brings me to tonight's number: 3.6 million. According to the Luxury Institute, that is the average net worth of a Barneys shopper. Jay-Z and Barney shoppers are incredibly wealthy. And even though he may not like Barney's behavior, there's probably no protests or boycott powerful enough to him change his plans. Well, still to come: Russia, just 100 days away from the start of the Sochi Olympics, but is the site of the Winter Games too dangerous? And new developments in the case of a 13-year-old boy shot to death by police. They thought his toy gun was real. He was shot seven times. And tonight, we know why the FBI is investigating.

[Cooper:] On Hawaii's big island, a river of malt and rock has reached the village of Pahoa oozing closer each hour to home. It is a natural disaster unfolding and slow motion. The killer way of volcano started to spew lava back in June. The people live in Pahoa has been holding their breath. Tonight, it looks like fears could come true. Martin Savidge joins me now. So the residents of this place, Pahoa, have they been evacuated yet?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] No, they haven't. I mean, there are a few who have taken it on their own voluntarily to get out of the way. But there is no official evacuation. This is Pahoa village road that I'm standing on right here, also known as Main Street anywhere else. It is the primary road that goes to town. The road black there is trying to keep people out of the neighborhood, at least, that area which is most threaten currently. And only those who live down there are allowed to in, Anderson. Right now, the lava of the last report we have, has burned ounce of property. It was a small structure that was burned early this morning. We are talking about a shed. But otherwise, a home that had been jeopardized, it's now pushed past that without burning it. It is still though very much a threat to this community, and the danger is only growing by the hour. So far, the people here, they are just more drawn to it as a tourist attraction.
[Cooper:] And Martin, I understand you went out in a helicopter today over the outskirts of the town. What did you see? How fast is this stuff moving?
[Savidge:] We're talking about yards per hour, so it's not moving in any really fast way. But helicopter is the most incredible way to take a look at this, because once you're up in the air, it almost looks like a gray river. Only what you realize is no, that was liquid rock. The other thing that is surprising to those of us who don't follow volcanoes all the time, the lava is moving under ground. In other words, what you are seeing on top is just sort of the scarring effect of it. But the real danger is underground and it can pop up at any place, at any time, so it is slowly moving along. The thing is, it is just inching its way into this neighborhood. And it speeds up, it slows down. The truth is, nobody can give you an exact time frame of when a home or a specific part of the neighborhood is threatened. It just sort of all happens in slow motion.
[Cooper:] And is there any way, this may be a dumb question, to divert or somehow redirect the lava?
[Savidge:] No, not a dumb question, same thing I asked. In fact, Hawaii, over the years, has tried all sorts of ways to maybe divert it. They even bombed it from the air at one point. They've constructing dikes and dams and trenches. None of that has ever worked. Nature has always found a way around it. And the problem they say with diverting it, and there are a few people here who are trying to divert it around their property, is you only push the lava somewhere else in other words, someone else's back yard. They do not in any way endorse that people try to do that.
[Cooper:] Martin, thanks very much. There is a lot more happening tonight. Randi Kaye has the 360 news and business bulletin.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Anchor:] Anderson, breaking news, the U.S. government is increasing security at more than 9,000 federal buildings in the wake of threats from terrorist organizations and the recent attacks in Ottawa, Canada. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson called the move a precautionary step. In a tweet sent from his hospital room, 14-year-old Nate Hatch said he loves and forgives the cousin who shot him and four other classmates at their school outside Seattle. Two of the students and the shooter died there. Police say the gunman lured his victims, including two of his cousins, to the cafeteria with a text. A friend of Boston marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was convicted on two counts of lying to federal agents during the investigation of the 2013 attack. Robel Phillipos faced up to eight years in prison on each count, and a $250,000 fine. Colorado authorities say they haven't ruled anything out in their search for a 53-year-old Denver Broncos fan. Paul Kitterman vanished during a game last week. Investigators are combing hundreds of hours of surveillance video for any possible clues. And it is not clear what Walmart was thinking when it decided to market some of its on-line Halloween costumes as fat girl costumes. The backlash was swift and fierce. Walmart removed the page from its website and apologized in a series of tweets. Anderson.
[Cooper:] Randi, thanks very much. Just ahead, a 14-year-old special needs student in Alabama, this is an extraordinary story, allegedly raped by another student after a teacher's aide came up with a plan to use her as bait to catch the student in the act. We'll tell you what happened. The problem was, no one came to help her. What happened next is frankly hard to believe. That is next.

[Richard Quest:] Come on in, hello, welcome! Yes, come on! This is the QUEST MEANS BUSSINESS studio, and it's a different program tonight as we look back at some of the best moments in 2013. I'm Richard Quest, and I mean business. Good evening. Over the next hour, we're going to bring you the Top Ten moments from 2013. Now, on this program, we think it's really important we bring you the biggest names in economics, finance, and business. And with this in mind, we were really pleased to have as a guest Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former managing director of the IMF, who fell from grace spectacularly over a sex scandal in New York. I met Mr. Strauss-Kahn in Paris, and in a wide-ranging interview, we talked about whether or not European leaders had botched the recovery in the way they'd handled the Great Recession. It was, without doubt, number one.
[Dominique Strauss-kahn, Former Managing Editor, Imf:] Frankly, everybody knows in the business side that when you have a loss, you have to take it and start again. What the Europeans tried to do was to buy time for political reasons. Not to admit the losses. So they were unable still now they are unable to have a plan for the future. They're just trying to buy another six months and another six months. And that's a catastrophe because the cost today is much higher than the cost which would have been the cost two or three years ago.
[Quest:] And when you see the way they put together the original Cyprus bailing in ordinary depositors?
[Strauss-kahn:] Very good example. Cyprus is another disaster, as if history had given no lessons. How can you expect that the Cyprus economy, which is such a small economy, will start again when you're just squeezing all the companies, all the firms, keeping all their money out?
[Quest:] So, let's be blunt about this. Is this a case of Germany
[Strauss-kahn:] Well
[Quest:] pushing austerity or the hard-liners you're a socialist. So, is it case of the hard-liners on the right pushing austerity to the absence of anything else?
[Strauss-kahn:] No. It's not a question of Germany. You have pro- austerity and pro-growth in both countries, in France and Germany, and in other countries, too. The problem is that it's not the problem is not a question of austerity or not. It has been too much austerity, I agree with this. And if I were a Greek man, I probably would be demonstrating in the street as others. But the question is not this is not the main question. The question is that more or less austerity, but the economists called the policy mix between fiscal policy and monetary policy is not the point. The main point is competitiveness, and arguing that you need to have less deficit or more deficit, less debt or more debt, is an interesting problem, but it's not the main problem. The main problem is that Europe is not competitive anymore.
[Quest:] So what has to happen to make Europe competitive?
[Strauss-kahn:] Well, you have to work on competitiveness. The history is too long to be saved today. But countries like France, like the UK, like Germany also, have lived for a century or more on the fact that they keep the technology for themselves leave the rest of the world. That's over.
[Quest:] But today's
[Strauss-kahn:] So, you have to rebuild the competitiveness.
[Quest:] today's leaders are not up to the task.
[Strauss-kahn:] Well, I think most of them don't really understand what globalization is. They have been educated, trained, they had their political life in one country and only one country, and they don't realize that Europe is not that big. It's a small part of the world. And the problem is to solve the European problem in the globalization, not against the globalization.
[Quest:] They're not up to it. Come on! Come on, Dominique. If we we're talking here about a situation where four or five years nearly six years after the crisis began and Europe is still in recession, with high unemployment.
[Strauss-kahn:] Well, if you if you want me to tell you that there is a crisis of leadership, I will tell you, there is. You know, some erratic saying, which is that an army of lions led by sheep will always be defeated by an army of sheep led by a lion. And that's exactly what we are: sheep.
[Quest:] We were lions being led by sheep?
[Strauss-kahn:] I'm afraid that
[Quest:] The Commission's not up to it.
[Strauss-kahn:] Some you can't be that general. Some leaders in Europe are perfectly up-to-date and know what they'll have to do. But mostly, the European system is built in a way that no decision is made, no hard decision can be made.
[Quest:] There's no easy way to ask any of these questions
[Strauss-kahn:] There's no easy way to answer.
[Quest:] Fine. So, I'm just going to ask it straight out. What were you thinking that day in New York?
[Strauss-kahn:] Frankly, I don't remember exactly. It depends if you're talking that day before the events
[Quest:] Before the events.
[Strauss-kahn:] or after the events.
[Quest:] Before the events, what led you to the events.
[Strauss-kahn:] I wasn't thinking anything. It happened something happened, which is a private thing, and I still say what happens in a room is a private thing unless the prosecutors find something to tell you that you are going to be charged with something and they have proof of that. And when prosecutors, after having charged you, tells, OK, finally, we don't have charge enough to charge you, then it means that it's a private thing and nobody has to say anything about it.
[Quest:] Why did you settle the case against her? Why did you pay her money?
[Strauss-kahn:] That's very simple. The US is a very special system. In my country, in most European countries, when on the penal side, people say there's nothing, then you cannot be sued on the civil side. In the US, you can. So, the prosecutor may say we have nothing against you, but still you may have a civil trial. And I was ready to go to trial, but my lawyers told me, OK, it's going to take four years and it will cost you much more in legal fees than you have to pay even if you win, so you'd better pay her off.
[Quest:] Paid her off.
[Strauss-kahn:] And I decided to settle and go on with my life.
[Quest:] Do you give any credence to the conspiracy theorists? That was it secret services, the missing BlackBerry, whatever it might be, all these things. Do you give any credence to the fact that you were set up?
[Strauss-kahn:] Credence? Maybe. Proof? No. So, I'd better say nothing.
[Quest:] So, you do give some credence? One of the most controversial aspects of this besides your behavior was, of course, the famous perp walk.
[Strauss-kahn:] Yes.
[Quest:] You were brandished in front this made huge noise in France. How do you now view the perp walk?
[Strauss-kahn:] I think it's a terrible thing, frankly, but only because it's difficult to live. Many things are difficult to live with. You have to do. The problem is, that it's a moment where, in all European, American society, you're supposed to be innocent. You're supposed to be innocent until you're convicted. And the perp walk takes place at the moment where you're supposed to be innocent. And so what happens, you're just shown to everybody as if you were a criminal at the moment where nobody knows if it's true or not. Maybe you're a criminal, maybe you're not, and it will be proved later on. And so, it's just unfair to put people in that way in front of the rest of the world when you just don't know what they have done.
[Quest:] Did you feel that at the time?
[Strauss-kahn:] Well, I was angry. Because at this moment, I didn't understand what was going on, I didn't understand why I was there. I was just understanding that something was going on that I didn't control.
[Quest:] The problem with all the allegations about you, sir, whether it be the Sofitel incident or, indeed, the young lady in France or, indeed, the parties libertine soirees, as they're now known. The problem is that none of them underneath them all, there's an element of behavior that is not expected of men or women of high office.
[Strauss-kahn:] I agree. I agree. So, I made this mistake to believe that you could have a public life, doing what you had to do in the public life and nobody ever said against me something in the public life and that you can have your private life. And my mistake was certainly to believe that you can have these two things together without any connection between. I was wrong. It was wrong in the way you say because people are not expecting this kind of a paradox, behavior from somebody having a public responsibility.
[Quest:] Were you an accident waiting to happen?
[Strauss-kahn:] No, I won't say I won't say that. I had in mind that I had my private life, that I could do what I want as long as nobody was hurt or some legal problem appeared, but without any kind of legal problem, I could do what I want as everybody can do what he wants, and that I would be judged on my public service just on what I do in the public. Again, it was the wrong thing. I understand now that you cannot disentangle the two in that way.
[Quest:] As one reads about you and the let's face it, there's mountains out there now. You must've read just I don't know whether you read much
[Strauss-kahn:] Not that much.
[Quest:] Not much, right. But everyone says you have an you have a problem with women. Dominique Strauss-Kahn clearly had a problem with women in his attitude to them, the way he behaves towards them, the way he views them as sexual objects.
[Strauss-kahn:] No. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think I have any kind of problem with women. I firmly have a problem with understanding that what is expected from a politician of the highest level is different from what can do Mr. Smith in the street.
[Quest:] That's the price of being at the top?
[Strauss-kahn:] Exactly. And I didn't want to pay this price, so finally, I paid it twice.
[Quest:] You said that you had missed your rendez-vous with the French people, I believe was the
[Strauss-kahn:] True.
[Quest:] was the phrase. You were going to be a presidential candidate. Was it a case of au revoir or adieu? In other words, are you going to come back again? Everybody wants to know. It's really a basic question, this, isn't it? Do you have aspirations to be president of France?
[Strauss-kahn:] No. No.
[Quest:] Is that a politician's no, a never, maybe, or perhaps?
[Strauss-kahn:] It's a no. I'm not working in the whole world around the world for governments, some in developed countries, some in the developed countries, developing countries. They ask me for advice, I'm happy to help. Sometimes I make some money, and I need some money to live. Sometimes I don't make some money and I do it for free just because I want to help. And I like it. So, this problem of French politics is behind me.
[Quest:] An electric interview with Dominique Strauss-Kahn. From a former managing director of the IMF to the current president of the World Bank. We continue our climb up the Top Ten after the break.

[Bolduan:] At this moment, President Obama is in Jamaica meeting the country's prime minister, this comes before he heads to the Summit of the Americas in Panama where Cuban president Raul Castro will be present.
[Berman:] Visiting the Bob Marley Museum. This is the best part of his presidential journey. President Obama going to visit the Bob Marley Museum. We should get a full report on that. But first, let's talk about other thing things.
[Bolduan:] It was described as they will have an interaction.
[Berman:] They will have an interaction. Like half my relationships in high school.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Hey, John. Well, AT THIS HOUR, the president of the United States is meeting before the cameras with Jamaican prime minister, Portia Simpson Miller, a graduate of the John F. Kennedy School of Harvard University, member of the People's National Party. This is the type of meeting that perhaps the most important thing for the president of the United States is simply showing up in Jamaica. This is the first visit of a sitting U.S. president in this country since 1982. It's been a very long time. Now, the expectation is, yes, that the president will have some type of interaction with Raul Castro, although there is no formal meeting actually scheduled. Still, senior White House aides have suggested they do have a formal agenda prepared for the president should he meet Castro there in Panama and discuss things with him face to face. Earlier today, an interview was released with one of the leading Spanish language news agencies. The president was asked whether he and Castro would get together and announce the reopening of embassies in Havana as well as Washington D.C. The president said in that interview that diplomats are making progress toward that goal. And he does anticipate that those embassies will open. But he did not say when and there was no forward-looking statement about meeting with Raul Castro. Kate and John, back to you.
[Berman:] Joe Johns, thanks so much. We're keeping our eye on Jamaica right now. The president is expected to comment on world issues. Might comment on what's going on in South Carolina. If that does happen, we'll bring it to you immediately. Ahead for us, a safe deposit heist. Turns out they weren't safe at all. Unbelievable robbery out of London. The thieves made off with an estimated $300 million. How did they do it?
[Bolduan:] But first, a look at the newest innovations. Today, CNN's Laurie Segall is going to show us a new app that is wildly successful and controversial.
[Laurie Segall, Cnn Money Tech Correspondent:] 24- year-old Tyler Droll and Brooks Buffington are the founders of Yik Yak. The app lets you send anonymous messages and read chatter within a 1.5 radius. Brooks and Tyler first worked on the app in college.
[Brooks Buffington, Co-founder Of Yik Yak:] We saw a problem on the campus where there was a select few Twitter accounts which kind of held the campus voice. We said, everyone should be able to have that power. We gave it to everyone.
[Segall:] Fast forward a year later, the app is exploding on college campuses across the country.
[Tyler Droll, Co-founder Of Yik Yak:] Basically, every campus in America.
[Buffington:] Vanderbilt University, someone posted about his brother getting a full body blood transfusion. 700 people showed up in the first hour to see if they were a match.
[Segall:] The downside? The down side, anonymity can lead to bullying or harassment. [on camera]: How do you guys try to help with the cyber bullying process?
[Buffington:] We have filters for names, for personal information. You know, just generally offensive things.
[Segall:] Yik Yak still had growing pains. One professor complained after discovering demeaning yak during her lecture. Other students have cited online harassment. For the people that are bullied on it, what is your responsibility?
[Buffington:] There's federal laws in place that prevent sharing of private accuser information. So we're kind of limited on what we can do there. In cases of imminent threat or harm, we work with law enforcement to do what we can.

[Blitzer:] All right. This story just coming in from Spain. A Greek F-16 fighter jet has crashed at a Spanish air base. There you see the smoke. A defense ministry official telling CNN that at least 10 people have been killed, more than a dozen wounded. It all happened during a NATO training exercise there. The jet crashed during takeoff, hitting other planes on the ground. No word yet on the nationalities of the casualties. But major, major disaster there. A Greek F-16 U.S.-made fighter jet crashing on takeoff in Spain. The United States has now closed its embassy in Yemen's capital. The move is in response to last week's government nations. The State Department in Washington says they have limited ability to assist with emergencies for U.S. citizens who may still be in Yemen. Last week, the U.S. pulled out some personnel. They pulled them out of the embassy as a precaution. The president, prime minister, cabinet, all in Yemen, they resigned last week after anti-American Shiite forces took over the capital. Kurdish forces appear to have won a grueling four-month battle against ISIS in Syria. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights now says the Kurds have retained the city of Kobani, driving out the terror group. The border town had been under siege since last October. More than 1300 ISIS and Kurdish fighters were killed during the clash. That is the estimate. Coalition air strikes led by the United States and shelling left large parts of Kobani completely destroyed. ISIS has now changed the terms for the release of that Japanese journalist still being held hostage. Earlier, the terror group wanted $200 million when they held two Japanese citizens. Our Will Ripley is in Tokyo with the latest.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, this is proving to be an extremely difficult negotiation process for the Japanese government. They have a special envoy on the ground in Jordan right now, but with ISIS making all the rules, setting all the conditions and often not following through, there's very grave concern about the one Japanese hostage still alive.
[Ripley:] The lead story on this ISIS-controlled radio station the execution of Japanese hostage, Haruna Yukoua. An ISIS supporter posted this gruesome image over the weekend, Kenji Goto in chains, holding a photo of his friend's headless body. The propaganda video has a voice claiming to be Goto. And a new ISIS demand, instead of a ransom, a prisoner exchange. ISIS wants Jordan to release convicted terrorist, Sagida al Rishawi, a failed suicide bomber ISIS calls their sister for her ties to the terror group's founders.
[Jeff Kingston, Asian Studies Professor, Temple University:] The Japanese government is pulling out all the stops, trying to leverage all of the contacts.
[Ripley:] Temple University Asian studies professor, Jeff Kingston, says bringing Goto home alive is critical for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The hostage crisis unfolded just two days after Abe pledged $200 million to the coalition against
[Isis. Kingston:] What he did is signal to ISIS, I am on the side of your enemy, and pated a bull's-eye on Japan.
[Ripley:] Japanese newspapers are showing pictures like this, protesters outside the prime minister's residence, demanding he save Goto's life. But Abe is also facing pressure from japans' closet ally.
[Keith Henry, Asia Strategist:] The U.S.Japan relationship, that is the cornerstone of Japanese foreign policy.
[Ripley:] Longtime Asia Strategist Keith Henry points to the policy to never negotiate with terrorists. The U.S. refused to release a Pakistani neuroscientists, nicknamed Lady al Qaeda, in exchange for American hostage, James Foley. He was later beheaded. Japan called for Goto's immediate release, saying the government is working closely with other nations.
[Henry:] Show the world Japan can stand up for something, and in this case, stand up against terrorism.
[Ripley:] Taking a stand comes with a heavy price. Goto's mother, in agony. "I'm a mother" she says. "I cannot bear this." The question, can Japan bear the painful consequences of standing up to a brutal enemy like ISIS? Such a difficult time for so many people in this country, but there really is a sense of urgency for the prime minister to do whatever he can to secure the safe return of Kenji Goto. That may be difficult, because Sagida al Rishawi is a high-level prisoner for the Jordanian government. She has ties to al Qaeda in Iraq, the group that formed in 2004, and in 2006 became ISIS. And Jordan has its own prisoners in the hands of ISIS, including a Jordanian pilot they've been trying to get released for quite some time. So even though the prospects do not look good, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe publicly saying he'll do whatever he can to work out a deal to bring Kenji Goto home Wolf?
[Blitzer:] Will Ripley in Tokyo. Let's hope for the best. Still ahead, the director, Steven Spielberg, looks back to his first visit of the Auschwitz death camp as the world marks a somber anniversary.

[Berman:] Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. It is "Money Time" which means Christine Romans is here.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] I know. 16k on the Dow, 1,800 on the S&P;, hit it, didn't hold it, couldn't hold it. You know, the Dow has all managed another record close. The NASDAQ and the S&P; were both lower on the day, actually. Look, you know, it was a little bit of a caution sign. I want to show you the numbers, though. We got as high as 16,030 and the S&P; reached 18,002, just could not hold that level there. So, what does Dow 16,000 mean for you? Everyone is asking this. What does it mean, Dow 16,000? Here's one expert on that.
[Doug Hirschhorn, Author, "trying Psychology Playbook":] It's a classic example of emotions overtaking rational decision making and thinking about the numbers and the fundamentals as opposed to just some number which is a great number and cool and interesting and round, but it really has no relevance as far as or shouldn't have relevance as far as how you make your decisions.
[Romans:] Yes. So, you know, your life doesn't change at 16,000 and your investment strategy shouldn't either. That's what the trading psychology experts like that guy say. So, here's why it does matter. It matters because this year, it has been an amazing run to 16,000. The Dow is up 22 percent. The NASDAQ up 31 percent. The S&P; 500 up 26 percent. Check your allocations that you have your stock bonds, cash in the right mixture for your age and goals. That's what
[Berman:] Why are you looking at me? What do you know?
[Romans:] But you know, I mean, these big round numbers an important time to take a look at your strategy. All right. This is historic. The biggest fine ever for a single company to pay is likely going to be announced today. We've been telling you about this. It's in the works. JPMorgan Chase and the justice department agreeing on a landmark $13 billion settlement over the bank's mortgage practices and lead up to the financial crisis. Now, this agreement helps JPMorgan's CEO, Jamie Dimon, put a whole host of state and federal investigations behind this company. It also includes a big portion, $4 billion that's supposed to go directly to struggling homeowners. Of that amount, at least, 1.5 billion is going to go to reduce loan payments for homeowners with mortgages under water, meaning that, you know, they've got what they owe on the house is more than the house is worth. Up to $500 million is going to pay for a partial loan forgiveness. They have a $2 billion could be used in part to fund new loans for low income buyers. So, watch the space and we will, of course, be watching very closely to make sure that money is getting to homeowners. That's been one of the complaints of some of mortgage settlements we've seen before. Some homeowners are completely out of the game. They're not even in the house anymore, you know? And they really got hurt along the way. Fresh or frozen for turkey?
[Sambolin:] I'm doing fresh this year, but I've done both.
[Romans:] I know. I'm going to doing fresh, I think, too. You might have a tough time finding a fresh
[Sambolin:] I ordered mine
[Romans:] Did you.
[Sambolin:] Sure did.
[Romans:] Butterball says it's going to have plenty of large frozen turkeys, but it's only going to be shifting about half as many of the large fresh never frozen turkeys to the supermarkets this year. It seems like they just couldn't get fat enough over the summer which seems like a tough problem they have which is couldn't get fat enough this summer. So, they didn't have enough really fresh turkeys.
[Berman:] The exercise reaching down
[Sambolin:] Make sure you order early. The moral of that story, you buy early rather so that
[Romans:] Yes. I'm going to do a farmer's market. I'm going to get like a jersey bird, I think.
[Sambolin:] Cool.
[Berman:] Well done. Keep it local.

[Maggie Lake:] The winning streak is over. Despite the smiles you see up on that podium with Fergie, the star, there, stocks edge lower on Wall Street. It's Wednesday, April 23rd. A quarter of global trade at stake. The US president starts his Asian mission. The writing on the wall for Facebook and Apple. The latest results are out this hour. And prime content for Amazon as it scores a milestone deal with HBO. I'm Maggie Lake. This is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Good evening. He's on a mission to push forward one of the biggest trade deals in a generation, and it all starts in Japan. US president Barack Obama arrived in Tokyo to handshakes and smiles. It's the first stop on week-long tour around Asia. Washington is trying to refocus its diplomatic and economic efforts in the region. At the top of the agenda, a massive trade deal. Even before he touched down, though, President Obama took sides in a bitter territorial dispute between Japan and China. CNN's Michelle Kosinski reports from Tokyo.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] It's interesting, right in the midst of the Ukraine crisis, in which the US has tried to take the lead in finding a diplomatic solution there, here comes this very important Asian trip, where some of the countries to be visited have very similar territorial worries, even disputes with China. It's not so easy to espouse the values of national sovereignty and territorial integrity in one part of the world and then not address it in another. In fact, one Japanese newspaper asked President Obama about it even before he landed, about these disputed islands between Japan and China in the East China Sea. And the president didn't try to walk some middle ground. He definitively said he sides with Japan on this as the rightful administrator of those islands and said that the US opposes efforts to undermine that. Then you look at the Philippines and Malaysia. They have their own issues with China. So, this is sure to be a topic that comes up again. And at times, it is a sensitive one as this trip progresses. Michelle Kosinski, CNN, Tokyo.
[Lake:] Now, at the center of President Obama's so-called "pivot to Asia," the Trans-Pacific partnership. It's a massive deal aimed at scrapping tariffs and boosting trade between the US, Canada, and ten countries around the Pacific Rim. Now, the 12 countries would account for 40 percent of the world's economy, and more than a quarter of all trade. The US government estimates it could generate more than $300 billion in new exports. Now, in Asia, Japan is a major trading partner with the US. The two countries exchange $216 billion worth of goods each year. The TPP would open Japan's economy to more goods from abroad, which is a sticking point. Currently, it's stalled by disagreements between Washington and Tokyo over beef imports. The deal has been in the works for years and is unlikely to be finished on this trip. Analysts say President Obama and Prime Minister Abe may announce a preliminary agreement tomorrow. And there's one significant player left out: China. The partnership is seen as a way for the US to try to counter Beijing's growing clout in the region. President Obama is trying to strike a balance on his trip. He's trying to exert US influence without upsetting major trading partners. Richard Quest sat down with the president of the Asia Society to discuss what's at stake.
[Josette Sheeran, President, Asia Society:] We have to demonstrate that the US really has pivoted or rebalanced to Asia. He's got to give proof points. One is the US involvement and all the disputes that are happening in Asia now. Will the US show forward leadership to be a constructive player and leader in the region to help these nations find their way through that? And secondly, on the trade with Asia, will he come out and really put that centerpiece in his presidency and the trade agreement between many of the nations in Asia and the
[Us. Richard Quest, Cnn International:] There is still always the feeling, even though they talk about the pivot to Asia and the new importance of Asia, there is still always the feeling that methinks they talk big and not mean it.
[Sheeran:] Well, this is where the proof points have to come in. There's been a lot going on in the world Syria, Crimea things have pulled the US away from Asia, but now we have to
[Quest:] But what's pulling the US towards Asia? Relations with China have been difficult, on trade protection, they are difficult.
[Sheeran:] Well, they're difficult, but this is our biggest trading partnership in the world. This is absolutely critical to the US economy.
[Quest:] There are fundamental differences of opinion between the US and China on core issues, whether it's been freedom of expression, whether it's internet piracy, whether it is hacking, whatever it might be not that the US comes to the table with clean hands.
[Sheeran:] Well, there are many differences. And yet, China has arisen as the second-biggest economy in the world, and we don't have the fabric of resiliency to deal with these issues that you do between the US and Europe, for example.
[Quest:] Do you think there is a fundamental difference of how the world is viewed from the United States and from Asia?
[Sheeran:] Well listen, Richard, I think it's more complicated than that. I think within Asia, Japan has a view of what the world order should be, China has a view, India has a view, the US has a view, Russia has a view. And we've lost our consensus. This is why this trip is so vital. President Obama has a big role to fulfill to show the US constructive leadership in helping the world forge a consensus for this century. We need buy-in, and there's no country, really, better poised to lead as we did after World War II. I think the US has to
[Quest:] They don't want
[Sheeran:] inspire the world
[Quest:] No! They don't
[Sheeran:] I mean lead
[Quest:] Asia doesn't
[Sheeran:] lead on how we come together
[Quest:] They don't want
[Sheeran:] to continue this.
[Quest:] the US to lead. That's the problem!
[Sheeran:] Well
[Quest:] That is exactly the problem! The idea the US will somehow lead the way in terms of that dialogue. Isn't that the issue?
[Sheeran:] Richard, I think we're at a critical point. We're either going to foresee another decade of rising prosperity, growth in Asia that will help lift all boats, or we're going to see the kind of tensions that came in 1914 versus 2014. We're seeing the same kind of war of words happening
[Quest:] Right.
[Sheeran:] This pulling apart of the fabric of relations in a way that I think we have to be quite serious about.
[Lake:] Now, US markets ended the day lower, but as you can see, only just, down about 12 points. It was back and forth all day. Alison Kosik is at the New York Stock Exchange. And Alison, we lost the winning streak is over, but the loss is very modest. What are investors talking about?
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] It's investors actually right now talking about those Facebook earnings coming in right now. We're getting a little bit of information. We found out that Facebook beat sales estimates, posting revenues of $2.5 billion. Earnings also topped forecast. So, that's what we know so far. We're sorting through their results on what their mobile ad sales were like. Those are going to be important, because both are key yardsticks for the company and for the broader market. Speaking of the broader markets, what moved today? Mixed earnings, disappointing housing numbers, all of that giving little reason to buy in. We learned that new homes sales plunged 14.5 percent in March to its slowest pace since last July. Some of that being blamed on bad weather, higher prices, higher mortgage rates, all keeping buyers on the sidelines. But you look at the losses, Maggie, they're not so terrible when you consider the S&P; 500 has been on that six-day winning streak, the Dow's closed higher in five of the past six sessions. So, getting both indices closer to their record highs. At one point, after what was a rough start to April, it's moving a little farther away from that today. Maggie?
[Lake:] Farther away and a lot of earnings still to come. Alison, thank you so much.
[Kosik:] Right.
[Lake:] Well, HBO is opening part of its massive TV library to Amazon. Amazon Prime users, listen up. You'll soon be able to stream many of HBO's hit shows, like "The Sopranos."
[Aid Turturro As Janice Soprano, "the Sopranos":] Time for presents!
[James Gandolfini As Tony Soprano, "the Sopranos":] And Grandpa? I told you people I didn't want any presents just
[Group In Unison:] Just a few kind words.
[Lake:] Ah, a present for Amazon users, but like the plot of any good show, there's a twist. HBO's present only applies to old shows. New seasons of shows like "The Newsroom" and "Girls" will take around three years to show up on Amazon. HBO, like CNN, is owned by Time-Warner. CNN's senior media correspondent Brian Stelter joins me now. Brian, this is all we've been talking about is content. The battle for those eyeballs online. How significant is this deal?
[Brial Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] I think it's very significant because HBO has always been very tight-fisted with their shows. They own all of the programs that they broadcast, and they're very careful not to share them in lots of other directions. Some repeats of some old shows, like "Sex in the City," are on cable. But the value of repeats like that is dwindling, because people expect everything to be available on demand. And HBO's really good about making things available on demand. The 30 million people in the United States 30 million homes that have HBO can watch all of the back seasons of shows, like "The Sopranos," already. But what about the homes that don't have HBO? What about the people who might have Amazon Prime who might want to watch "The Sopranos" from many years ago? That's the people that will now have more access to shows, thanks to this deal.
[Lake:] So, who wins here? Is this a win for all around? Because to me, when you're talking about those back shows, they're old enough there are so many new hits that I'm not sure that HBO's really giving any kind of present. And what does Amazon get out of this?
[Stelter:] They're constructing this deal very carefully.
[Lake:] Yes.
[Stelter:] Amazon gets a bunch of bold name shows they can promote. They can now say, for example, they've got all the seasons of "The Wire," this critically-acclaimed HBO series that, for some people, is still brand- new to them.
[Lake:] Right.
[Stelter:] If you haven't seen it before, it's new to you. But HBO is most importantly still protecting its cable and satellite business. It is making sure that people still need to sign up for cable and for HBO if they want to watch the new hits, like "Game of Thrones" or like "True Detective." They're having their cake and they're eating it, too. They're figuring out a new way to make money from their old library while protecting their core business.
[Lake:] That's right. And for Amazon, as you say, some of the younger people as they come into Amazon Prime maybe haven't seen the shows. Brian, we're out of time now, but content is king, that's for sure, from what we can tell for all these deals. The content-makers are
[Stelter:] Every day
[Lake:] the jars to beat, aren't they?
[Stelter:] that is reaffirmed every time we see a deal like this.
[Lake:] All right. Well, Amazon Prime users, if you haven't seen those shows, you're going to be happy. Brian, we'll talk again soon.
[Stelter:] Thanks.
[Lake:] Thanks so much. Well, searching for answers in the South Korean ferry disaster. Investigators now turn their attention to the company in charge of the ill-fated vessel. We're live in Jindo with the latest.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone. Top of the hour, I'm Don Lemon. We've got a rundown of some really big stories that's happening this week. But first I want to get to some live pictures now. Let's take you to Houston, Texas. Houston, Texas, and there is something going on. It's in the River Oaks neighborhood. There is a rally that's happening there. And this is some pro this is pro-Trayvon Martin, a group there, marching towards the mall and a pro-George Zimmerman rally. And I want you to take note of the amount of police officers nearby. We haven't heard any reports of anything violent. These are people as far as we know who are just exercising their American right to protest on both sides here. And so, that is what they're doing. We heard earlier that the mall where the pro-George Zimmerman rally was being held, that some of the shop owners closed their doors today because they were concerned that there might be some violence. But so far, no violence and we are keeping an eye on it. But anyway, a lot going on here to tell you about and we'll keep you updated on all of that. Much, much more on the way like this as well another story, an absolutely gruesome discovery in Ohio. The bodies of three women found wrapped in plastic, and authorities say there may be more. A young woman sentenced to prison after telling police she had been raped. She sat down with CNN to tell her terrifying story. And social media are actively changing the national dialogue and one of the most powerful phenomenons, the so-called Black Twitter. And on the road and out of control amazing video of two crashes that you don't want to miss right here on CNN. We're going to begin this hour, though, in East Cleveland, Ohio, where police have made a disturbing discovery. The bodies of three young women have been found wrapped in layers of plastic, so badly decomposed that police are unable to identify them. And now, the mayor says there may be more victims. CNN's Anna Coren live in the East Cleveland neighborhood where the bodies are found. Anna, police have a man in custody they believe is involved in this case. He hasn't been charged yet. What do we know about him and what do we know about this entire situation?
[Anna Coren, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, for sure, Don. I'm going to get to the suspect very shortly. But over my shoulder, you will see crime scene unit vans and they have converged on a vacant lot where they do believe there could be further remains. There are cadaver dogs as we speak honing in on a particular area, and this could indicate more bodies. Certainly, three bodies have been located, all these women, young African-Americans. One of them was found in a basement, the other in a garage, the other in a field. And now, the way that police got onto these was because a resident said, "I can smell something quite foul in the area." So that is how police really stumbled across this gruesome discovery. Now, the suspect in custody is a 35-year-old man by the name of Michael Madison. He's a father of two and he's very well known, Don, in this area. You know, we've spoken to people about him and they say we just thought he was a normal guy. He was friendly enough, he smiled at us, you know, he loved his kids. Others say they knew that he was a registered sex offender and he had made some pretty alarming statements. Let's have a listen to what some local residents had to say to us a little bit earlier about this man.
[Unidentified Female:] We became friends, never feared him, never gave me any reason to fear him. Quick tempered, but other than that, sometimes maybe, you know, he would get upset and needed to talk. I told him he could always talk to me and be a friend so that was about it. He would come by, visit, holler with my kids, hang out with my nephew off and on, but other than that, that was it.
[Unidentified Male:] He used to say I can't stand
[Coren:] Making reference to the serial killer?
[Unidentified Male:] The imperial murders, yes.
[Coren:] Now, the man we were just talking about, Anthony Sowell, is a convicted serial killer who was found guilty in 2011 of murdering 11 African-American women here in Cleveland. The case was known as the "house of horrors" because police found all 11 bodies on his property. Now, police have told told us that basically this man who's currently in custody, Michael Madison, was inspired by Anthony Sowell. This is why people here in Cleveland are concerned there may be more bodies. We spoke to the mayor a little earlier and he is also very concerned that perhaps this man could be a serial killer. So certainly when police stumbled upon that home, you know, a couple of days ago, they had no idea that it was going to unfold into this sort of drama Don.
[Lemon:] East Cleveland, Anna Coren for us. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. We're going to Houston now where a judge has set bail for a man charged of holding four men captive in his grandfather's home. Bail has been set for $200,000 for 31-year-old Walter Renard Jones. He is charged with two felony counts. The four men, one is 80 years old, claims that they were lured in with the promise of cigarettes and food, and then were locked up. Police say at least some of the men were believed to have been homeless. The scorching heat wave that's covered much of the U.S. is being blamed for two deaths in Milwaukee, raising the total to five in just the past week. A 64-year-old woman living in a home without air conditioning was found dead. The temperature was 93 degrees inside the house with all the windows closed because the family feared violence. And a 69-year-old man died after being hospitalized with a body temperature of 102. Earlier this week three men were found dead in their Milwaukee homes from heat- related causes. Firefighters in California are halfway there in controlling a massive wildfire. The blaze in the mountains near the town of Idyllwild is reported 40 percent contained, and wet weather is possible for the area which would help firefighters even more.
[Chris Gaulding, Public Information Officer:] There is a slight chance for thunderstorms probably through early next week which could change things on the fire. Estimated full containment date on the fire is going to be July 26th.
[Lemon:] A major earthquake struck off the coast of I guess we're not having that story. Can we get that story back? A major earthquake struck off the coast of New England today. You can see the office computers and furniture shaking in Wellington, New Zealand. The 6.9 magnitude quake was about 35 miles south of Wellington. No tsunami alert has been issued and some homes are damaged. It's unclear whether anyone was seriously injured. Today's quake is the latest in the series of recent tremors near New Zealand. OK. Let's go to those live pictures now. Sometimes things just happen. That story disappeared from the prompter. Live pictures from Houston. We'll get this story there we go. The two groups that we told you about in Houston, in the River Oaks neighborhood, the pro-Trayvon Martin group and the pro-George Zimmerman group, they have both they're together now. The Trayvon Martin group has reached the George Zimmerman group at this mall and for what appears to be so far a peaceful rally two peaceful rallies that have joined together from opposite sides. And we know, obviously, about the tension that happened really before the verdict, before the not guilty verdict for George Zimmerman and then after the verdict there was some really some rough emotions from people who felt that George Zimmerman should have been found guilty of something. But the court the court has spoken, the jury has spoken and we must accept that. But these groups, both of them, whatever side you're on here, have a right to protest peacefully in America. So on the right of your screen, what you're looking at is the pro-George Zimmerman group. On the left of your screen, you're seeing a pro-Trayvon Martin group and they're now in the same area. And what you do see, though, you see some traffic and some police officers in the middle and that's it. You know, I'm not I'm not sure if we were expecting anything from this, we just wanted to show it to you. And you can see the pro- Trayvon Martin group marching peacefully down the street right past the Zimmerman group. We'll keep an eye on it. A hard-fought and emotional win for one of golf's greats. Tears, hugs and all smiles for Phil Mickelson as he wins the British Open. That's next.

[Romans:] Breaking overnight, gunfire on the campus of Florida State University in Tallahassee. At least three people are being treated at a local hospital for gunshot wounds. Officers say the unidentified gunman was shot and killed by campus police after firing at them. Classes on campus are canceled today. Stay with CNN all morning for continuing coverage of the shooting at FSU. More fallout this morning from rape allegations against comedian, Bill Cosby, NBC has killed an upcoming project with Cosby and TV land has pulled reruns of "The Cosby Show," a stunning fall for the once beloved comedian who has faced allegations of sexual assault for decades now. I want to bring in our senior media correspondent and host of "RELIABLE SOURCES," Brian Stelter. Are these companies doing right thing to pull? His reputation right now is really, really tarnished.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] It seems the companies had to distance themselves from Cosby, whether they wanted to go forward with these projects or not. I think there is an interesting wrinkle about that with NBC. A deal like this, he had been developing a sitcom with NBC all year. It hadn't actually gotten filmed yet. So it's pretty early on. But when NBC walks away from a deal like that, they probably had to pay Cosby a lot of money. I've seen a $1 million floated as a possible number. So I suggest there is a darn if you do, darn if you don't situation for these companies, but it make so much then so they have backed away, 24 hours, Netflix walks away from the special they will air and NBC. And then TV land pulled those reruns of "The Cosby Show" that have been running for years on that cable channel. They just took it off the schedule and deleted the web page off their web site about the show so essentially all of those corporate relationships are gone.
[Romans:] Let's talk about this. We are looking at the newspapers this morning. The front page of five of the seven newspapers has a story or picture of Bill Cosby. This story is this guy is America's dad from the '80s, right? These are very graphic allegations, but nothing has happened in court. Some of these allegations are decades old. What happens from here? I mean, is his reputation tarnished irreparably?
[Stelter:] I personally think he does and will continue to have a base of fans that love him and support him and are going to want to go to his comedy specials. He is still performing a stand up. He is scheduled anyway.
[Romans:] On Friday, a sold out show.
[Stelter:] And I don't think that part change. I think these corporate relationships are more complicated. This was the most interesting headline I thought this morning. It's on the "Daily News," the "New York Daily News." It says, "It's time for America's dad to talk." This is an editorial on "The Daily News." But that tone I think we have seen throughout the media coverage. What is Bill Cosby going to say because silence doesn't seem to be an option even though he has been silent for a long time?
[Romans:] So far his attorney has been doing all of the talking. I wonder do you think it would be advisable for him to say something before his sold-out show. I could imagine there will be a lot of reporters there, you know.
[Stelter:] Well, the other new development overnight, the "Associated Press" came out with a couple of weeks old, but he was interviewed about his art donations. An AP reporter asked him about these allegations. He declined to comment. He basically badgered the reporter off afterwards trying to say you are not going to show that or hear that. That kind of behavior is only going to worsen this for him especially now that the AP has shared that video and went viral on YouTube last night. So I do think that ups the stakes even further if he is shown to be trying so hard not to comment on this.
[Romans:] All right, Brian Stelter, really interesting, a story that continues to evolve. Thanks, Brian, for that. It's 48 minutes past the hour. Happening now, tensions rising in Israel, fears of religious war breaking out after a deadly synagogue attack, we are live there next.

[Camerota:] That's wonderful.
[Cuomo:] And rare.
[Pereira:] Yes. Very rare.
[Camerota:] That's a great story.
[Cuomo:] Legally and ethically rare.
[Camerota:] Nice.
[Pereira:] All right. Let's carry on with the day. It's time for "NEWSROOM" and Carol Costello. Good morning.
[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. Have a great day. NEWSROOM starts now.
[Costello:] Happening now in the NEWSROOM, not again. Another powerful earthquake hits Nepal. This is what it looked like the moment the 7.3 quake hit. We're monitoring the situation on the ground. Also, someone shot at George Zimmerman.
[Unidentified Male:] He said, I do not have a phone, I have a gun, I shot George Zimmerman, please call 911. I shot George Zimmerman.
[Costello:] A bullet hole through his truck. The former neighborhood watch man injured by flying glass. What is up with this? Plus, suspending a superstar.
[Unidentified Male:] He is the greatest of all-time. Are you kidding me? I think it's too much. It's just it's wrong. I think that's a little bit excessive.
[Costello:] Pats' fans sound off after learning QB Tom Brady will not start the season, suspended for four games over deflategate.
[Conan O'brien, Host, "conan":] They're going to punish him by making him stay at home in his mansion with his supermodel wife and think about what he did wrong.
[Costello:] Do you think the punishment is fair? Let's talk. Live in the CNN NEWSROOM. And good morning, I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. Another powerful earthquake rocks Nepal. The 7.3 magnitude quake striking some 11 miles deep, this time near the border with China. Panic in Katmandu. People flooding the streets as the violent shaking began. One man was giving a speech in parliament at the time, terrified audience members seen fleeing the building. It's only been three weeks since the quake killed 8,000 people across the region. At least 39 have died today in Nepal and neighboring India. Our senior international correspondent Ivan Watson is in Hong Kong with more. Good morning.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. This is really sad news to have to report. Just a little bit more than two weeks ago Nepal had the deadliest earthquake it has seen in generations and now a little bit more than two weeks later, boom, a 7.3 magnitude earthquake hitting this impoverished mountainous country. The the Nepalese government says that now it's about eight hours since the earthquake hit and they've already counted at least 36 dead, some 1100 or more wounded. Now I was there two weeks ago. I saw how frightened people were. They were all sleeping outdoors in makeshift tents. Whenever there'd be an aftershock you'd hear the entire city of Katmandu screaming in fear. So people had just started to get a little bit more comfortable. They just started to trust their homes and buildings again, and boom, this thing hits. It has brought down buildings that were already damaged and made vulnerable by the initial earthquake. There have already been a series of frightening aftershocks and it has triggered landslides and avalanches, but there's maybe a silver lining here and that is that the search and rescue teams were already mobilized. There was help from other countries. The U.S. Marines are there. The Indian Air Force has helicopters there. They have already begun evacuating some of the wounded from surrounding towns and villages. And there's a lot of disaster relief material that's already there to help Nepal through this real time of crisis Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Ivan Watson reporting for us. Thank you so much. Now to the secretary general of the Norwegian Red Cross, Asne Havnelid. She is in Nepal right now. Welcome.
[Asne Havnelid, Secretary General, Norwegian Red Cross:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Asne, tell us what it's like on the ground there.
[Havnelid:] I am now in the field hospital for the Norwegian Red Cross in the small city, about two miles from the epicenter. And the people here are in shock. The population here at the hospital, it's been rough, a lot of injured people coming in all the time. We have taken more than 50 patients today. And in this city the buildings have collapsed. The building that
[Costello:] Ivan Watson says there is help on the ground. Is there enough help, Asne?
[Havnelid:] Well, the Red Cross had
[Costello:] Asne Havnelid from the Norwegian Red Cross, thank you so much and thank you for your fine work on the ground. To find out how you can help victims of both earthquakes in Nepal, head to CNN.comimpact. Here in the United States families continue sifting through debris following a deadly tornado outbreak. In all five people died and dozens more were injured over the weekend. Two of those deaths were here in Van, Texas. The twister damaging more than 30 percent of the homes in this tight-knit community. Three people who have been unaccounted for, though, have been found alive. On to football now. Sidelined and slapped with a million dollar fine. The New England Patriots standing by star quarterback Tom Brady after the NFL decides to issue a four-game suspension over the deflategate controversy. In addition to that $1 million penalty, the Patriots will forfeit their first-round draft pick next year. Brady's agency already blasting the decision, calling it ridiculous with no legitimate basis. Let's bring our CNN sports correspondent Coy Wire with more on this. Good morning, Coy.
[Coy Wire, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Yes, the NFL is hitting Tom Brady with this unprecedented suspension, and the league says that, among other reasons, they're handing down this harsh punishment because they must protect the integrity of the game. In a letter to Brady, an NFL executive vice president of Football Operations, Troy Vincent, said that Brady's actions, as they were described in the Wells report, were considered conduct detrimental to the integrity of the game of football. Now Brady's agent Don Yee said they plan to appeal the suspension. He said in a statement, "The discipline is ridiculous and has not legitimate basis. The NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games. This is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. We will appeal." Now Vincent's letter to the Patriots mentioned the team's prior record, meaning spy-gate scandal in 2007. That was a factor in determining the discipline. But this time the punishment is much harsher. Here's how the deflategate compares to spygate. The Patriots are the only franchise since 1980 to be stripped of a first-round pick, and now it's happened to them twice. The NFL quadrupled the fine to the Patriots this time around. Now it's obvious that Patriots owner Robert Kraft will not be getting that apology from the NFL that he asked for before the Super Bowl and he's not happy. He released a statement last night condemning the league's action, saying, "Today's punishment far exceeded any reasonable expectation. It was based completely on circumstantial rather than hard or conclusive evidence. Tom Brady has our unconditional support. Our belief in him has not wavered." Now reaction to Brady's suspension has been mixed on social media. Patriots running back teammate Lee Garrett Blunt backed Brady up. "This is absolutely ridiculous. Shaking my head. Pats nation, stand up." But one of the league's best defenders, Cardinals' cornerback Patrick Peterson backed the league, tweeting, "Well done, NFL." And Giants punter, Steve Weatherford, questioned some of the rhetoric surrounding the suspension. "Tom Brady suspended four games, that's just ridiculous. They are comparing it to steroid use. Preposterous." A lot of strong opinions out there and one thing is for certain with Brady's agent coming out yesterday saying that Brady will appeal the suspension. This conversation isn't going anywhere Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Quickly now. What can we expect out of this appeals process?
[Wire:] Well, his agent Don Yee and Brady have three days to appeal so we could see that happen today, but the big question is about, who will oversee the appeals process? Will it be Goodell, known to be a friend of owner Robert Kraft, who's also one of the 32 men that employ and pay Goodell's salary? Or will it be a neutral arbitrator, likely a federal judge, who will look into the findings of the Wells report, the punishments that were given out and likely consider any challenges to that investigation. I know we have David Cornwell coming on and I can't wait to hear his perspective and insight about how this process will go down.
[Costello:] Absolutely. Coy Wire, many thanks to you. I appreciate it. Let's just say a lot of Patriots fans are wicked mad over the NFL's decision, many of them already taking to Twitter to defend Brady saying this penalty goes way too far. Online the #noBradynobanner has gone viral, the message do not raise the championship banner at Gillette Stadium until Brady is back on the field. You can't blame them. Come on, would you want to take a chance on Jimmy Garoppolo? He's expected to be the team's starting quarterback in Brady's absence. Of course Pats fans aren't the only ones weighing in. New York Giants quarterback, Eli Manning, says while he is not happy to see Brady suspended the NFL has a responsibility to uphold the integrity of the game.
[Eli Manning, Quarterback, New York Giants:] You know, the football, I think it is about integrity and you have to follow the rules, and so if someone is breaking the rules, I understand you you're going to get punished for it.
[Costello:] Joining me now, someone who thinks the suspension goes way too far. Former New England Patriots linebacker Chad Brown. I'm also joined by sports attorney, David Cornwell. He's in Atlanta. Welcome to both of you. So
[David Cornwell, Sports Attorney:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] So, Chad, you're a Patriots guy. Of course you think this penalty goes too far.
[Chad Brown, Former New England Patriots Linebacker:] No, I'm not saying the Patriots
[Costello:] So what do you think should have been a fair punishment, Chad?
[Brown:] I'm thinking that after the appeal process, if Tom does appeal, which I am expecting him to do, and he goes up there and admits or has some sort of admission, that the suspension would be brought down to about two games, which seems about right for the circumstance.
[Costello:] So, David, let's pretend for a moment that you're Tom Brady's agent. What's your next step?
[Cornwell:] Well, certainly you filed an appeal, and you make the point that, listen, I understand the importance of the integrity of the game, but I didn't do this. The problem is that Tom didn't cooperate, so Don Yee can challenge the integrity of the process and call people names all that he wants, but until Tom comes forward with the information that Ted Wells asked him to during the investigation, then no one in the league office really is going to pay much attention to Don Yee stomping his feet and holding his breath. Tom deserves a fair hearing on appeal. But when he does when he comes on his appeal, he has to give the information that controverts or rebuts the circumstantial evidence that suggests that he was involved.
[Costello:] So in other words, David, Tom Brady should turn over his texts, right? Why didn't he just do that? And then my the second part of that is who should be in charge of that appeals process, that hearing?
[Cornwell:] Well, I think they'll spend some good time talking about finding the right person to hear the appeal so that the integrity of the appeal process is protected just as Troy protected the integrity of the game. But Tom says, I didn't do it, and Ted Wells says, let me see your text messages, I think those are important. Tom doesn't turn them over. The presumption is until he does, that those text messages are incriminating. So the first thing he has to do is either turn over the text messages, or I think he is going to have to take his medicine.
[Costello:] Chad Brown and David Cornwell, thanks to both of you. I appreciate it. Still
[Cornwell:] Thank you.
[Costello:] You're welcome. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, was the head of ISIS injured in an airstrike? There are reports out there suggesting he was terribly injured, but was he? We'll talk about that next.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. We begin with breaking news. Thanks very much for joining us. Let's get right to the breaking news. Just north of Los Angeles, California where several cars on a commuter train flipped over after the train hit a truck. Right now, we're hearing that there are no, repeat no, fatalities but dozens of people are injured and they are being treated. Joining us now, our own Paul Vercammen. He's near Oxnard, California, not far away from Los Angeles. So, what kind of truck did the train hit? What do we know about what happened what happened to the driver, Paul?
[Paul Vercammen, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I'm at the scene right now. And what happened to the driver, they now are backing away from saying that this was a tractor-trailer truck. They said it was some sort of a possible service truck. That was separated in the collision with this commuter train. Wolf, the driver, according to Ventura County fire, fled the scene and was taken into custody about a mile away. Uncertain, right now, if he had any injuries. You were talking about this collision and the injuries. From what we understand in talking to the fire department, four were immediate or critical. They had to be transported to a nearby hospital. There were nine others who were delayed, treated right there on seen at the triage unit that they had set up. Those moderate or delayed injuries ranging from broken bones, to fractures, to severe cuts, to head trauma. And then, there were 15 other people who suffered minor injuries. The fire officials here are stressing that they think it was somewhat of a miracle that, so far, there have been no fatalities. And, of course, those four with immediate or critical injuries, not out of the woods yet. Firefighters also reckoning with on scene a serious fire. Diesel fuel everywhere. Some of it possibly coming from that truck that was separated. And as you look at the scene, the Metrolink cars did not crumple up on themselves or break open. They stayed intact. This may have reduced the total amount of injuries. They had put a lot of safety and impact measures in place after that horrific Chatsworth accident. This train, according to officials here, is what they would call a pusher. If you look at the video or the aerial pictures, you'll see that the engine is in the back, so it was moving this train toward Los Angeles. One estimate is it was about a mile or two miles from the last stop. This is not a place where it's going to exceedingly fast. One estimate, it was going 50 or 60 miles per hour when it collided with this truck, Wolf. You can see the mangled wreckage here as well of the truck that it hit, separated in two spots. The main part of the truck completely burned up in that fire and then the trailer flipped over and lying on its side. As I'm eyeballing this, and this is not easy, but it looks like there were five cars sort of detached and you can see, clearly, two of them are laying on their side. And we should also note, they took 51 people in all off the train. And 23 of them were looked over and considered uninjured. They were put on a nearby bus and all of these people will, of course, be interviewed to see if they can shed any light on why this happened here in Oxnard. Very, very rural area right through here, well-known for its agri business. You might want to call this one of America's strawberry baskets. Literally, in fields nearby, you could see people working in getting all the produce together. And that's why there's a lot of these type of trucks, Wolf, in this area.
[Blitzer:] Was that truck in the intersection there where the rails were, the truck was just stopped in the middle of an intersection? Is that the suspicion, Paul?
[Vercammen:] Exactly, Wolf. They believe that somehow this truck got stopped on the tracks in this very busy intersection. And, you know, if you eyeball it from right here, the markings are there. Rail crossing, the red flashing lights. There are crossing guards. There are signs, do not stop on track. So, somehow, someway this truck got through there right here at Fifth Street and Rice in Oxnard and was on the track. One report from Ventura County fire is the engineer was able to try to slam on, you know, some sort of brakes and minimize the impact. Perhaps that helping to save countless lives in this collision.
[Blitzer:] And, for some reason, the driver of that truck simply ran away. He was picked up, as you point out, about a mile or so from this intersection. Stand by, Paul. Joining us on the phone is the fire investigator for the city of Oxnard, Joe Garces. Joe, thanks very much for joining us. What can you tell us about the cause of this horrific train crash?
[Joseph Garces, Fire Investigator, City Of Oxnard:] Like Paul was saying, we have five cars total that were derailed. Three are on their side. And, as Paul was saying, they are all intact. What we have heard from the initial reports from the Oxnard Police Department, the lead investigating agency right now, is that the driver was unfamiliar with the area. He's a produce service out of Yuma, Arizona. He drove onto the tracks, mistaking the wide tracks for the turn onto the next highway. So, he drove approximately 50 yards on the track where he then got stuck. The driver is being cooperative. He was taken to one of the local hospitals for just to be looked over. And he at this time, he is not under arrest or in police custody. But the investigation is continuing.
[Blitzer:] And we I assume, when the train hit that truck, that Metrolink train, when it hit the truck, he was already out of the truck, right? He was not in the truck upon impact?
[Garces:] Yes, that is true. He had left the truck and when he saw that the train was coming, he had, according to him, he had fled the area.
[Blitzer:] Did he explain why he fled the scene?
[Garces:] At this time, no, we don't have that information. But he has been extremely cooperative. He is not suspected of being under the influence of any drugs or alcohol. And he's being tended to at a local hospital.
[Blitzer:] Joe, this occurred about 5:30 a.m. Pacific time, your time. So, I assume it was still dark outside and so maybe this driver was simply confused about that intersection. Is that the suspicion?
[Garces:] Yes, that is the suspicion. From where he made the right- hand turn, it's the controlled crossing arms, he turned around the first one and didn't go around the second onto the main highway.
[Blitzer:] So, clearly something has to be done to fix this to make sure there's no more confusion down the road. I know you're not in charge of the NTSB, the National Transportation Safety Board, but if there was a blunder like this, assuming it was simply a blunder at 5:30 in the morning while it's still dark, you got to do better the Metrolink, the rails, they got to do a better job making sure that this doesn't happen again. I think you'll agree with me.
[Garces:] Well, I can't speak to that. You know, like you said, that is for engineers and traffic control to figure those things out. But what we do know is that he did admit to turning actually onto the tracks in the mistake that he thought he was turning onto the road. So, that's where we're at right now with that.
[Blitzer:] Yes. And fortunately, Joe, just want to repeat, no fatalities but a lot of injuries.
[Garces:] Yes. Zero fatalities and the four critically injured were taken to our local trauma center at Ventura, California. And I know, at this point, one has been admitted to the ICU, and we're waiting for further update on the conditions of the remaining critical.
[Blitzer:] All right. Joe Garces with the city of Oxnard Fire Department. Good luck to you. Thanks very much for all the help. We appreciate it. Good luck to all the folks out there in Oxnard in California, just outside of Los Angeles. We'll get back to this story as new information comes in. But up next, there's a huge fight here in Washington, D.C. over the funding of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. A lot is at stake if they don't get the money funded by the end of this week. The Department of Homeland Security will at least partially be forced to shut down. We'll be joined by two members of the House of Representatives, in just a moment.

[Michael Holmes, Cnn Host:] Tonight: shootings in Jerusalem. One of its most sacred sites temporarily closed with the city on edge. I speak to both sides of this ongoing conflict. Also ahead, protests rage in Mexico; 43 students are still missing. Will there be justice?
[Jorge Castaneda, Former Foreign Minister Of Mexico:] . the people who did that, whoever they may be, have very little to fear because they know that the ones who did similar things before have not been punished.
[Holmes:] Hello and welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Michael Holmes, in for Christiane again today. Well, tensions rising once again between Israelis and Palestinians, with one of Jerusalem's holiest sites at the center of a tinderbox, scuffles breaking out as dozens of far right Israeli protesters tried to break into the al-Aqsa compound after it was closed for the first time in years, following the shooting of a controversial right-wing rabbi. The site is known as Temple Mount to Jews and the noble sanctuary to Muslims. It is expected to reopen on Friday although not for the first time Muslim men under the age of 50 will barred, Israel says, because of the risks of demonstrations. Rabbi Yehuda Glick, who had pushed for more Jewish access to the compound, was wounded in the shooting. On Wednesday, Israeli police then shot and killed Palestinian suspect Moataz Hijazi. prompting clashes on the streets. A spokesman for the Port Authority president Mahmoud Abbas described the closure of the holy site as a declaration of war or tantamount to that. A visit by Ariel Sharon back in 2000, of course, helped ignite the second Palestinian intifada and all the violence that followed. Tensions between the two sides are being simmering more than usual since the conflict in Gaza and also over Israel's plans to expand and build more settlements in the West Bank and, crucially, East Jerusalem, which Palestinians want to be their future capital. Well, can the two sides find any common ground? I spoke to Israel's economy minister, Naftali Bennett, who joined me from Jerusalem. Naftali Bennett, thanks for being with us on the program. The mosque area, the Temple Mount area, is going to be reopened in the hours ahead, one hopes. Do you think that that will diffuse these current tensions?
[Naftali Bennett, Israel's Economy Minister:] I believe so. Unfortunately, we've gone through a wave of terror from radical Islamic terrorists; just a few days ago, they murdered a 3-month-old Jewish baby and yesterday they shot point-blank at an Israeli. And I hope now tensions will calm down. What we need is for the Palestinian leadership to stop incitement, because they have been calling for these sorts of actions and indeed the words do kill.
[Holmes:] You know, the word "incitement" is a common one used by Israeli politicians and others when it comes to the Palestinian leadership. But there are plenty on Israel's right in politics, in the settler movement which could be accused of the same. We've heard the chants of "Death to Arabs" on the streets of Jerusalem and elsewhere, even liberal Israelis attacked on the streets in recent weeks. Really the level of discourse has never been so low. How does one improve that and get things back to some sort of civilized discussion?
[Bennett:] First of all, that's incorrect. No Israeli leader, no Israeli member of parliament has been calling for the murder of Palestinians; while at the same time, the Palestinians are doing just so. In fact the president of the Palestinian Authority called to stop at any cost from Jews exercising their freedom of prayer on Temple Mount. So I don't accept that assertion.
[Holmes:] Well, have Palestinian leaders been calling for deaths of Jews? I'm not saying that politicians were calling for the deaths of Jews. I said that "death to the Arabs" had been chanted on more than once in recent times. And I think that's a fair comment. During the Gaza conflict, the deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset said the only innocents in Gaza are IDF soldiers and called Palestinians "savages of the desert." That's the type of thing I'm talking about, when it comes to this word "incitement," and it's detrimental to any kind of discourse, is it not?
[Bennett:] You bet that Palestinian leaders have been calling to murder. You know that the Palestinian leadership funds terrorists when they're in jail after murdering Israelis. They actually pay them a monthly salary, which is way higher than your average salary in the Palestinian Authority. They call circles over the names of suicide bombers. So they do everything on their TV shows. They call to kill the Jews day in, day out. That's blatant incitement. None of that happens in Israel. In Israel, we have 1.5 million Israeli Arabs who enjoy full, equal rights, who vote for the Knesset, who are part of our parliament. None of that exists here. Are there a few Israelis on the sidelines that do that? Perhaps, but not the Israeli government as a government.
[Holmes:] Yes, well, I think the deputy speaker of the Knesset's a fairly senior figure. The point being, of course, that it is on both sides and it's not helpful. And what we're seeing today is not just about this incident, this attack, brutal attack on the rabbi. The anger and polarization have being roiling for a long time. There have been many arrests and deaths of Palestinians as well. The settlement expansion in the West Bank and particularly East Jerusalem, attacks on Israelis, as you point out, too. Then this is just the latest spark. What needs to be done to get back to some sort of talk?
[Bennett:] That's the main thing. What we need to be doing is investing in joint economy between the Palestinians and the Israelis. We can talk forever. But as long as the quality of life for Israelis and Palestinians is not good enough, this thing is going to go on and on. What we need to do is talk about paving roads, opening up new businesses, opening up commercial centers, factories and that's my focus as minister of economy for Israel. We need to improve the lives on ground of millions of people. And that's what I would focus the international community on.
[Holmes:] When it comes to Temple Mount, one final question, in 1967, when Israel secured that territory, I think it was Galan who said take the flag down. Do you think the Israeli flag should be flying on top of Temple Mount?
[Bennett:] Temple Mount is the most holy place for Jews in the entire world and it's the third holiest location for Muslims. So we have to find a way where both religions can fully exercise their freedom to pray. That's what we need to be striving for and that's what I hope ultimately will happen.
[Holmes:] I have to leave it there. Naftali Bennett, thanks so much for being on the program.
[Bennett:] Thank you.
[Holmes:] And listening to that is the Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations, Riyad Mansour. He joins us now live from U.N. headquarters in New York. Ambassador, as we say, you heard Mr. Bennett there, the Palestinians are inciting violence and Israelis do not.
[Riyad Mansour, Palestinian Ambassador To The U.n:] Well, the Israeli government and the occupying authority and the settlers are the ones who are practicing that. The issue is not improving, building a road here or there. The issue is ending occupation of our land. They said in the Security Council and Prime Minister Netanyahu said in the general assembly we are not occupiers. This is a land that was given to us by God. If that is the case, then we need to know where are we going to build the two-state solution. They have to come to the conclusion that there are occupiers. That's the position of everyone in the Security Council, in the United Nations, in all corners of the globe, in all including Washington, D.C. If they do not accept that they are occupiers and that they have to leave our homeland and by that I mean the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, then there will not be doors opened for peace.
[Holmes:] Well, as I said to
[Mansour:] and people are much
[Holmes:] As I said to Mr. Bennett, the controversy over this shooting, the rabbi shooting and the closure of the mosque really is just the latest in a series of incidents that perhaps haven't been as widely reported. There are daily demonstrations in East Jerusalem, a lot of controversy over expanding settlement activity particularly in East Jerusalem. What do you think is happening when it comes to that expansion? Palestinians want East Jerusalem as their capital.
[Mansour:] Absolutely. And there are daily incidents in which Israel occupying authority and their extreme settlers killing Palestinian children, young people, arresting Palestinians, uprooting our trees, making our life miserable, closing down the third holiest shrine for Muslims, not to allow anyone to go there, that is inflaming the situation. That is provocation. When they bring settlers with the army and with the police to come to the Islamic compound of al-Aqsa Mosque, that is intensification the situation and incitement. Nobody is denying anyone al- Aqsa Mosque is always open for visitors. And agreements between Israel and us and the Jordanian authorities, that it is open for everyone but it is not open for except the Muslims to pray there. You do not see Muslims praying in churches. You do not see Christians praying in Muslims' mosques. They visit these places, but each would pray in their own holy site.
[Holmes:] I've got to say to you that Benjamin Netanyahu has said he favors the status quo, which is that Jews not pray at Temple Mount and that he wants that to continue. The other thing
[Mansour:] the status quo.
[Holmes:] That is the status quo and he said that he still favors that. He also says that he still favors a two-state solution, even though he's made comments and actions that would indicate he's not particularly moving in that direction with any haste. Do you think it'll happen? Do you have any real hope that, particularly under this government, a two-state solution is even on the table?
[Mansour:] What we have to look for is his action, not what he says. If he is truly in favor of a two-state solution, then he begins educating his people that they have to evacuate from the occupied territory, not to instruct his ambassador in the Security Council to say that we are not occupiers, this is our land. If he wants two-state solution, he has to prepare Israeli people and society to evacuate from our land. With regard to the status quo in al-Aqsa Mosque, should we believe what he is saying, the status quo? Or will his party vote in favor a piece of legislation that will be put before the Knesset in order to divide al- Aqsa Mosque, which would be the highest form of provocation and incitement against not only the Palestinians, but the Islamic and the Arab world
[Holmes:] To be fair, his spokesman today said publicly that even if their party, the prime minister wouldn't sign it. But let me just ask you this. We saw Sweden formally recognizing the State of Palestine and calling on other countries to do likewise. What impact will that have?
[Mansour:] That is an investment in peace and an investment in saving the two-state solution. We are grateful for this courageous position by Sweden. I had today two meetings, one with the head of the foreign relation committee of the parliament in Finland. And I urged them to follow the steps of Sweden. And I had a meeting with the foreign relation committee of the senate of France. And I asked them to do so. And I understand that a motion has been deferred to them for consideration so that France to also recognize the State of Palestine.
[Holmes:] All right.
[Mansour:] Every European country that has not recognized the State of Palestine to do so is an investment in peace and an investment in saving the two-state solution.
[Holmes:] Still a long way to go on this issue. Appreciate your time, Riyad Mansour, Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations, thanks so much.
[Mansour:] You're very welcome. Thank you.
[Holmes:] Well, the tension in Jerusalem centers around one of the most important archeological sites in the world. As the Jews were building their second temple more than 2,500 years ago, around the world in what is now Mexico there was a city that was thriving. Archeologists there say that they may be on the verge of the most important discovery, the city's royal tombs. Researchers uncovering a tunnel filled with thousands of precious objects, one step closer to finding their Holy Grail. And when we come back, more on Mexico with the country in turmoil over 43 missing students. I speak with the former Mexican foreign minister, Jorge Castaneda.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn:] Next, President Obama announces American forces are going back to Iraq. The president says they're advisers, but is it mission creep? Plus breaking news, dozens may have been exposed to deadly live anthrax. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is our guest. An OUTFRONT investigation, a police department tonight under investigation for this.
[Unidentified Male:] Get on the ground now! Get on the ground!
[Burnett:] Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news, more American troops headed to Iraq as we are getting late word tonight that Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to travel to the country soon. President Obama today promising that troops wouldn't be combat troops saying military advisers will be heading to Iraq to combat the terrorist group, ISIS, that is gaining ground.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] We're prepared to send a small number of additional American military advisers, up to 300, to assess how we can best train, advice and support Iraqi security forces going forward.
[Burnett:] Some though are now asking, is this mission creep? In Iraq today the country's security forces are conducting air strikes of their own targeting militants who took control of Tal Afar, one of five major cities that have been completely or partially overtaken by ISIS. The Iraqi army says 50 rebels were killed in those strikes. Meanwhile, mourners laid to rest 31 relatives killed when ISIS militants attacked three villages burning homes, women and elderly among the dead. The battle between militants and Iraqi forces is raging at the country's biggest oil refinery, which was attacked yesterday by ISIS. You can see the smoke. This image is a satellite image. So you're looking down from space and you can see how dark and thick that smoke is from this height. Police say ISIS now controls 60 percent of that crucial refinery. So how involved will the United States get? The entire world needs the answer to that question. Jim Acosta begins our report tonight from the White House.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] After pulling the U.S. Out of Iraq, President Obama is putting the nation back in. With a modest mission to send up to 300 military advisers to assess the ISIS threat. But this time the president insisted will be different. [on camera]: Are you concerned about the potential for mission creep?
[President Obama:] I think we always have to guard against mission creep. So let me repeat what I've said in the past. American combat troops are not going to be fighting in Iraq again.
[Acosta:] To help Iraq combat ISIS militants, senior administration official said the plan is for several small teams of advisers, about a dozen each, to form joint operation centers with Iraqi forces. Discreet and targeted air strikes are still possible, officials say, after surveillance flights gather more intelligence. All in an effort, the president said to prevent Iraq from becoming a safe haven for terrorists.
[President Obama:] It is in our national security interests not to see an all-out civil war inside of Iraq.
[Acosta:] It's a nightmare scenario the president's critics say he should have seen coming when he authorized a complete withdrawal from Iraq in late 2011. A campaign promise Mr. Obama kept despite the risks. [on camera]: You wish you had left a residual force in Iraq? Any regrets about that decision in 2011?
[President Obama:] Well, keep in mind, that wasn't a decision made by me. That was a decision made by the Iraqi government.
[Acosta:] The president maintained U.S. forces would not have had legal protection from Iraqi courts had they stayed.
[President Obama:] The Iraqi government and Prime Minister Maliki declined to provide us that immunity.
[Acosta:] Mr. Obama blamed the violence in part on Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki's failure to unite his country, but stopped short of calling for Maliki to step down.
[President Obama:] It's not up our job to choose Iraq's leaders.
[Acosta:] The president is not only in a jam in Iraq, but he is trying to avoid another quagmire while containing a crisis that's spreading across borders and could lead to oil disruptions. Consider the political pressures back home with Republicans complaining he's too soft.
[Representative John Boehner , House Speaker:] And here we are a year and a half later, you look at this presidency and you can't help but get the sense that the wheels are coming off.
[Acosta:] And Democrats worried where the mission goes next.
[Senator Chris Murphy , Connecticut:] If the president is proposing a long-term commitment of military advisers or a more robust presence than simply 300 assets on the ground, then I think he's got to come to Congress for authorization.
[Acosta:] Unlike what happened between the U.S. and Iraq back in 2011, this time around senior administration officials say these advisers who are being deployed will have legal protections while they are on the ground. Meanwhile, senior administration officials are also saying they are not ruling out air strikes on targets outside of Iraq. That includes neighboring Syria. At this point as one official put it, they're not restricting action to just inside Iraq Erin.
[Burnett:] Thank you very much, Jim Acosta. Obviously that is an additional very significant headline, that you're now not just talking about Iraq, but you're talking about another country, Syria. Joining me now Retired U.S. Army General Doug MacGregor. He was a tank commander during a major battle of the 1991 U.S. invasion of Iraq and CNN military analyst Retired Army Major General Jim "Spider" Marks. Good to have both of you with us and we appreciate it. Spider, let me start with you. President Obama said today as he said repeatedly this has become one of these I'm going to say it every single time to make sure people hear me, we're not returning to combat in Iraq. They keep talking about no combat, no boots on the ground. When you hear about 300 American military personnel, it sounds like boots on the ground. What's the difference? MAJOR GENERAL JAMES "SPIDER" MARKS Spider explaining this in detail, but is this something that Americans these people lives, they're going to be at risk, right? Then would be the risk if something went wrong he'd need to put in more people? COL. DOUG MACGREGOR
[U.s. Army:] Well, they'll be at risk. The notion of adding more, I think, is unlikely. This strikes me as a largely meaningless gesture. It was probably presented to the president as the least bad option of bad options. I think the president was told that he has to be seen doing something. I disagree. I don't think he has to do anything and I don't think he should do anything. But I think that's the basis for this particular option.
[Burnett:] And let me just give the president's rationale though as to why he thinks that the United States needs to do something. He made the case today. Let me play it for you, Colonel. Here he is.
[President Obama:] We have an interest in making sure that we don't have a safe haven that continues to grow for ISIL and other extremist Jihadist groups who could use that as a base of operations for planning and targeting ourselves our personnel overseas and eventually the homeland.
[Burnett:] What do you think about that case, Colonel, that these Jihadist groups could use this as a plan of attack against the United States?
[Macgregor:] Well, let me push back against the notion that these people present any threat to us. You're talking about a few thousand semi-illiterate Islamist thugs riding around in pickup trucks with machine guns. These guys won't build any intercontinental ballistic missiles. They're unsophisticated. They're preoccupied with decapitating Shiites and trying to establish an Islamist state in vast open stretches of empty, irrelevant desert. I don't subscribe to that view at all.
[Burnett:] They do have an annual report where they brag about how many people they've assassinated. A pretty well produced one. I know that doesn't mean or counter everything that you said. But they are organized and sophisticated in terms of media presentation in some ways.
[Macgregor:] Perhaps. I think if you want to secure the United States, you secure our borders, you get control of immigration. You don't invade somebody else's country and then cultivate millions of enemies, which is essentially what we've done in Iraq and in Afghanistan.
[Burnett:] Spider, what's your response?
[Marks:] Well, Erin, let me respond to Doug. And Doug, it's great to see you again. The issue in my mind is the broader notion of a failed state in Iraq. I don't disagree with Doug on several of his points. But if past is prologue, we've seen illiterate thugs that have caused damage to the United States before and clearly the United States has to be leaning forward in terms of its intelligence collection in order to see that threat possibly coming again. And we can't allow that to occur any more than it is right now in Iraq. So the notion of Maliki in exile someplace, if it were to occur, possibly Tehran, really puts us on a path that has far greater challenges. So I think at this point, the notion of pushing back against ISIS is a logical and a measured step that has to take place. And what we're seeing right now, Erin, is certainly intelligence collection and building before we can begin to strike.
[Burnett:] All right, well, thanks very much to both of you. The conversation being had in homes around the country tonight. OUTFRONT next, legacy on the line. This is the legacy for this president. Will his presidency be judged by what happens in Iraq now? Plus, breaking news with dozens of Americans exposed possibly to deadly anthrax. Dr. Sanjay Gupta with a live report OUTFRONT. And a glimpse into the future. Just how high will buildings and toilets be?

[Holmes:] Want to take you back now to a story we mentioned earlier. That 27-year-old who became made history by becoming the first Saudi woman to reach the top of the world's highest mountain.
[Baldwin:] So you are about to hear from her. She is Raha Moharrak. She reached the summit of Mt. Everest back in May.
[Holmes:] Yes, Becky Anderson talked to her about this remarkable achievement and how she got there.
[Raha Moharrak, First Saudi Woman To Summit Mt. Everest:] In my mind I kept thinking, 75, 80 percent people die on the way down. OK. So I was thinking, OK, celebrate, but not too much, because you still need to get down. So I go up there. And when you realize that you can see the curvature of the earth, it just it hits you even more, like, oh my God, this
[Becky Anderson, Cnn Correspondent:] How cold is it?
[Moharrak:] It is very cold. It was it was minus 45, 50 wind chill that day. Someone actually said that, what's Barbie doing on the mountain? And then I said, don't let the Disney princess hair fool you. And I just walked away and then saw them on the way down when I summited hi. You see my rock. You know, it just my way of telling them, don't, you know, stereotype.
[Baldwin:] Her Disney princess hair.
[Holmes:] Feisty isn't she. Yes.
[Baldwin:] I like her.
[Holmes:] I like her moxy.
[Baldwin:] She said she'd never give up. She knew she wouldn't give up, but she did worry about the cold. It's quite chilly.
[Holmes:] Yes. Yes. Yes, she said she blocked out the thoughts of the cold by focusing on her parents and how they supported her.
[Baldwin:] Oh.
[Holmes:] Awe.
[Baldwin:] Well, that's sweet.
[Holmes:] It is, isn't it?
[Baldwin:] Well, not
[Holmes:] Not that that would keep you warm, though, it's 50 below.
[Baldwin:] Well, not so sweet, parts of Asia, people have been battling extreme heat there for weeks and weeks.
[Holmes:] Yes, talk about the other extreme. In Japan, more than 50 people have died from the heat since late May. Temperatures there in some places hitting 105 degrees. That's a record.
[Baldwin:] Over in China, a string of record hot days causing water shortages in Shanghai. The heat been putting a strain on the electrical grid in South Korea, prompting the government there to tell people to save power, turn off your air conditioners.
[Holmes:] Chad Myers joining us now to talk about this. Before we get to the nuts and bolts of the heat wave, South Korea, they had a massive spike, didn't they, in the refrigerator pants.
[Baldwin:] Refrigerator pants. Yes.
[Holmes:] This is obvious.
[Baldwin:] You Chad's closet is full of them, right?
[Holmes:] I want to know what they are.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] I truly thought this would be something high-tech. I did.
[Baldwin:] I know. I was thinking like ice involved in cooling.
[Holmes:] Yes. A little motor. You wouldn't want a little motor, yes.
[Myers:] A little motor, a little fan blowing through there. Whoo.
[Baldwin:] Any way.
[Myers:] I digress. They're just very thin polyester. Can't see through them, but the air does flow through. And they're 3.50 for white and black and about $4, $5 for the very colorful one.
[Holmes:] Oh, I'm disappointed now.
[Myers:] I thought you'd soak them in water and they'd evaporate or something like that
[Holmes:] Yes.
[Myers:] But they want to still wear long pants in the summer and that's how they get away with it.
[Baldwin:] Well, there you go.
[Myers:] Wear as thin as you can. Look at this, though, for Shimano, Japan. I mean this is the hottest temperature ever recorded anywhere in Japan, any season, any time, 106. And, you know, they've had their power problems, obviously, as well there in Japan. China, 104. Shanghai yesterday was 99. I mean it's just hot everywhere across this area. Something that may help China a little bit is this Utor. Utor is going to bring at least a little bit of cloud cover into the hottest parts of China. It will bring some damage, though, at 110 miles per hour here just south of there's Hong Kong over here. Here's Hanoi. So coming into the south China area here for the next couple of hours. As it does make kind of landfall, it turns to the left. It will kind of spread out some rainfall as well. Back out here toward the west into western China, you do see an awful lot of mountains and those mountains could bring a little bit of flooding as well. Not only are we talking about China and Japan and all that, but Europe. Europe has been just sweltering as well. Slovenia picked up 105 degrees on August 4th. Austria, 104. These are places that are fairly high in the elevation too. They shouldn't be getting this high. Shanghai reached 105 in August. That is their hottest day ever on record. And, there you go, there's the hottest day ever in any place, any city, any time, in Japan, Shimanto, 106 on Monday.
[Baldwin:] If somebody's going to Italy and watching the weather there
[Holmes:] Yes, it has been. Yes. Yes, it's hot there as well. You know it's funny, though, and you know this, Chad, you know, it was 108, I think, yesterday in Baghdad, but it's about what you're used to, isn't it, you know?
[Myers:] It is.
[Holmes:] In Japan you just they're just not used to that.
[Baldwin:] Not normal, no.
[Myers:] And when you pack that many people into such a small place and then you turn off the air-conditioning, you fry a few nerves.
[Holmes:] Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Good to see you, my friend.
[Myers:] Good to see you guys.
[Baldwin:] Refrigerator pants. That's my takeaway.
[Holmes:] Refrigerator pants. Pick some up, will you?
[Baldwin:] Yes, OK. OK, coming up, we've all had a neighbor that does something we don't quite like, right?
[Holmes:] Yes. Check out what this guy did. He turned his penthouse into a mountain top getaway. The people below not too impressed. We'll talk about it when we come back.
[Baldwin:] Bring some boulders on over.
[Holmes:] Yes, why not.

[Sciutto:] There's new evidence today that something sinister could have happened on this airplane. Was it hijacked and were the pilots involved? We have a new time line suggesting that that the last radio transmission, the words "alright, good night" seemingly calm and happy were said after the tracking system on this plane was switched off. CNN has also learned that police searched the home of the pilot and the co-pilot, shown here, after the country's prime minister confirmed the plain was likely in his words deliberately diverted. Richard Quest is here again, Richard. So many questions to go over. I wonder if we can ask first again to explain to our viewers who might not have heard this yet but the significance of the sequencing now, the idea that that seemingly everything was fine and dandy, good night came after at least one of the systems was turned off.
[Richard Quest, Cnn International Business Correspondent:] Absolutely. But this is not this is straight forwardly from the prime minister's statement. And aisle caveat it before, after and in the middle. People, they are not speaking with the precision of the final investigative report.
[Sciutto:] No question.
[Quest:] So, the prime minister says the ACARS data transmission system is switched off or disabled, as the phrase he used, disabled as the plane goes out over the east of Malaysia.
[Sciutto:] Just as it crosses the land area.
[Quest:] Then also last says, the last known point of contact is in the South China Sea.
[Sciutto:] Right.
[Quest:] And that's either by transponder or by the handoff between Malaysia and Vietnam.
[Sciutto:] But we also know that those words "goodnight" were spoken at that point.
[Quest:] We know that and several minutes after the ACAR system was
[Sciutto:] We know that because a civil aviation authorities person in Malaysia said that. Would I be surprised if tomorrow we're told that that actually never happened? No, I wouldn't be surprised. But on Tuesday or Wednesday of this week, that's what we were told.
[Quest:] Right. And once those words are out there, it was probably a longer sentence. It was probably Malaysia acknowledging and then saying "alright, good night."
[Sciutto:] Well, granted, because there are so many things have changed. We remember the excitement over the satellite photos. But potential significance of this separation of things, it indicates that there was some control or decision making, is that your view?
[Quest:] It indicates, it suggests that at the moment when that last voice transmission was being made, there was the incident was already underway. And there is no indication in what was said that we know of that leads one way or the other, but of course something could have been happening in the aircraft of which they were not aware.
[Sciutto:] Right. Something that could have been under
[Quest:] Or something could have been happening.
[Sciutto:] A fire or something and the system could have gone down.
[Quest:] Yes.
[Sciutto:] Fair points. Fair points. So, OK, that's the questions it raises. It has given the Malaysian government some more certainty in the prime minister's words that it was a deliberate act. Let's talk about other potential failures here though. That handoff happens, or that handoff supposed to happen between Malaysian Air traffic control and Vietnamese Air traffic control, but it doesn't happen. The Vietnamese never picked up the plane. And then you have it traveling southwest, we would believe, and possibly over other radar-controlled areas. You have a lot of people in governments and countries along the way who could have said, where is that plane, the Vietnamese? What is this plane that's coming over my air space, why did that happen?
[Quest:] We don't know at what point and if the Vietnamese went back to the Malaysians and said, we haven't seen MH 370.
[Sciutto:] Right.
[Quest:] The flight plan there, we should have seen it by now. Now, having read enough reports, what tends to happen with a missing plane is and this happened with 447, this happened with 447 and all of the different places on the route. What tends to happen is the next point of call where you're going to check in doesn't hear from you, might think, well, we'll give him five more minutes.
[Sciutto:] Right. But you all give them seven hours the whole night.
[Quest:] No. And then you go back to the last one and say, hey, what happened to Malaysia flight 370? We haven't heard from it. Well, we've handed it on to you. Now, the moment that happens, you get other aircraft in the region to start hailing them, in cases of radio. You start asking other planets in the region
[Sciutto:] All things that to our knowledge didn't happen.
[Quest:] We have not got anywhere near to that depth of understanding of what else was happening during those times. But ultimately, within an hour if you haven't heard from a flight like this, you're pushing the big red button and you're basically saying we haven't heard from this flight. Now, meanwhile, seven hours later, this is heading up towards other countries. Indonesia, it went past China and it went right back over Malaysia and seemingly no one thought to scramble fighters with Helios.
[Sciutto:] And this is a very sensitive part of the world with a lot of countries watching each other with a lot of very powerful surveillance tools because they are concerned about what other country's aircraft is doing.
[Quest:] Last night, I was looking at the report into the Helios Cypriot plane and they have jets up in the air within an hour to see what was happening.
[Sciutto:] And this is something we know did not happen with this flight.
[Quest:] Approximately not.
[Sciutto:] Well, as you note though, there are still many questions and we're following this step by step along the way. Some new information today, not definitive. Still to come, we're digging deeper into the mystery of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 and where it could have landed. More after this.

[Costello:] There is no doubt that this has felt like the worst winter ever for much of the country. And we're still not out of winter yet. Need some recent reminders, though, four years ago today, snow and ice brought Atlanta's roadways to a sliding stop. Horror stories for people stuck in their cars for 24 hours are forced to walk home. Those stories became legend. Boston who is used to wintry weather, but winter with wintry weather like this. The city has gotten 56 inches of snow so far this season. That compares with an average of less than 32 inches. And as many as 100 vehicles got stuck in a pileup on the Pennsylvania turnpike just two weeks ago. Drivers blamed black ice, heavy winds and drifting snow. A meteorologist developed a misery index for just how bad this winter is. Indra Petersons is here to talk about that and psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert has some tips to deal with the winter blues. Welcome to both of you.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Thank you Carol.
[Jonathan Alpert, Psychotherapist:] Thank you.
[Costello:] So Indra go through that misery index for us.
[Petersons:] You know what if there was ever a time to think of a misery index it's going to be a perfect year. I mean take a look at this. When you combine not just amount of snow but also how cold it has been you put those two together, they now have an idea of how miserable it has been. Detroit, using that index, worst on record. Chicago, the 5th worst on the top five here with Indianapolis, Philly, even New York some ideas of kind of what we've seen already. Look at this let's talk about those morning lows. How cold and miserable it's been in the morning, Chicago, 22 days below zero. Minneapolis, 45 days below zero in the morning for that cold morning low. And then, we know all about the snow. Heavy amounts of snow; 57 inches for New York State that's the seventh snowiest in years since we have been keeping records. Philadelphia, 59.4 inches. When you talk about why Detroit is the worst, well look at that number 78.9 inches. And on top of it, they got those cold lows; 13 lows below zero. I would say that is miserable.
[Costello:] That is miserable. OK so Dr. Alpert, I never quite bought into the whole sad thing. But I mean are you seeing a lot of patients?
[Alpert:] Carol, I am. I'm seeing a lot of patients this winter much more so than last winter. And one of the things that people can do to try to improve is to focus on what they can control and we can't control the weather there is no question about that. But what we can control is the way we think about it. And frankly the more people complain about the weather, it creates a contagion effect. And it just reinforces the negativity. So we can start to improve things by changing the way we think about it. We can also get out there. Even though it's cold and miserable, we can get out there. I know it sounds counterintuitive. But if we can get out there for ten minutes a day and get some sun exposure, it can really help. Light enters the brain through the eyes and it can impact the neurotransmitters that play a role in mood. So getting out there, being brave and being fearless and going out in the cold can help.
[Costello:] OK so Indra Petersons is a brave, fearless woman who happens to love cold weather. And probably never suffers from SAD. So but I'll pose this as a meteorologist Indra. You have been a meteorologist for what, 12, 13 years. Is this the worst winter you've ever covered?
[Petersons:] I mean absolutely. When you have this many cities that are really suffering like this, no question. And the reason why we've this weird pattern right out West. We keep talking about how dry it's been. The drought conditions were stuck in this weather pattern. We have a ridge out here and a trough. What does that mean that the jet stream going really far to the south that's letting all that cold air in from Canada and unfortunately series after series of storms keep riding along that jet stream going all the way to the South and it just seems to never end, Carol.
[Costello:] OK Dr. Alpert, just to help us more deal with all of this, I know you can get out there, get some sunlight if there is sunlight but what if there is no sunlight.
[Alpert:] Yes if there's no sunlight exercise can be really helpful exercise gets the endorphins going. If we go to a gym, there is a social component to it. And that can be helpful. One of the symptoms of SAD or seasonal affective disorder is people isolate, they withdraw, they are not able to get out there and do the things that they typically would enjoy. So getting out there to the gym can actually be really helpful to kick start those endorphins. We can also try to sit near a window to get that light exposure so people who are in their office place they can maybe talk to their boss about moving their desk closer to a window. And that can be very helpful. So there are a variety of things that people can try. There is an end in sight. I am looking forward to spring and summer and maybe planning a summer vacation can really be inspiring and get people in a much better mood.
[Costello:] I like that idea the best. Jonathan Alpert, Indra Petersons, thanks so much.
[Alpert:] Thank you for having me.
[Costello:] I already have my remedy for SAD. I'm going to Florida spring training oh yes. Thanks to you both. The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts now. Happening now in the NEWSROOM, we're close to a breaking point over that controversial bill in Arizona that would let businesses turn away gays.
[Unidentified Male:] All this does is bring division and hate to our state.
[Costello:] More big corporations like Apple calling for the governor to veto it. Plus, was an iconic fight rigged?
[Unidentified Male:] This presents a shred of doubt on whether or not this was truly a Cinderella story.
[Costello:] New evidence, the mob may have been behind one of the most legendary boxing matches ever. And Delta overhauling its frequent flyer program soon, the biggest spenders will get the biggest perks. The second hour of NEWSROOM starts now.

[Chuck Hagel, Defense Secretary:] It is a look into where parts of the world may be going unless the United States, along with our partners and our coalitions, stop it. This is the point the president was making. You got to destroy it. Because if we don't destroy it, it will get worse and it will get wider and deeper.
[Berman:] That was Chuck Hagel, secretary of defense, talking about the spread of the ISIS ideology and what ISIS militants are doing, in some cases, handing down that ideology as a legacy to a younger generation.
[Pereira:] We're seeing footage like this and word they are teaching children how to hate, how to handle guns, to behead people. Take a listen. Let us bring in Peter Brookes from the Heritage Foundation. My goodness out of the mouths of children, such a horrifying thing to hear and to you know, I don't even know where to begin. It's so horrifying. What do you think international leaders around the world are thinking? They look to stamp out a group, right? They want to come in and knock out ISIS forcefully. Not so easy to stamp out an ideology, though, peter.
[Peter Brookes, Heritage Foundation & Former Deputy Assistant Secretary Of Defense:] Right. Very important. Even getting one of their leaders. And it appears we may have gotten their number two in Iraq. You have to go after the ideology. You know, the things we're seeing here are, you know, brainwashing, depravity, horrifying, sickening. I mean, it's just absolutely terrible. We know how impressionable young children are. And instead of being told taught to love, they're being taught to hate. These people, this ISIS group, or ISIL or whatever you want to call them, the Islamic state, they plan on governing for some time. They're setting up camp. They're setting up a state, and they're not going to go away very easily, so we have to be very sober about the threat we're facing.
[Berman:] We throw around the term brainwashing, and I wonder if that oversimplifies it because look, I don't believe babies are born good or evil. They're born babies and they're taught good or evil over time. Or they're raised in an environment where such things are acceptable. So could it be that they are just raised in this environment that hates the West, that wants to kill people, that's what they learn and that's what they grow up believing? Is that qualitatively different than brainwashing?
[Brookes:] Well, John, I'm not a psychologist, unfortunately. I mean, I'm just John Q. Public when it comes to those sorts of subjects. But it seems to me if anybody who has a child, how impressionable they are, and if they're taught these things that they may actually embrace them. You know, the other things we have to look at is, from a practical standpoint, these children could be taught to be suicide bombers. You know, the fact is, and when we look at sometimes children, we don't see them as a major threat, but these kids could be trained to put on a suicide vest and go out and kill other people besides the idea of beheading, they're being exposed to stonings, to crucifixions. I mean, this is sheer evil. And the soul of this organization is very, very dark. And we need to do something about it.
[Pereira:] It's horrifying to think that children are being forced to bear witness to this. And we should also point out, Peter, and I think it's a really important point to make, that these aren't just children of is fighters. They're often Iraqi children whose parents don't align with is. And they're being forced to attend these camps under threat of death to their parents. In fact, some of these people have fled because they think that, you know, it's either be called an infidel and be killed, or they flee.
[Brookes:] Yeah. I mean, that shows the increased level of depravity that we're dealing with here. You know, and there's plenty of videos out there. I mean, we're getting a limited amount of reporting on this. But it's very troubling. We should look further into this. There are human rights groups that should be looking at this and trying to get more information about it. Like I said, there's been very limited reporting. But obviously very, very troubling for a whole host of reasons.
[Berman:] It shows the reach here because kids are being taught to hate there. But a kid in Minnesota can grow up and learn to hate as well and end up fighting for is, too. It just shows the scope of the threat. Peter Brookes, thanks so much for being with us.
[Pereira:] And people can also be taught, because if you're raised in a bad environment, you can overcome that. You also though that. And that's an important thing for us to remember, too.
[Berman:] Yeah.
[Pereira:] Short break here. Home Depot trying to make good with its customers. The investigation in a possible credit and debit card hack continues. What the retailers is promising and what all that data might show.

[Flores:] Are you ready for some football? The NFL's regular season ends tomorrow and the primetime game features two rivals, the Eagles and the Cowboys. One game, one spot in the playoffs. But the Cowboys will take the field without their biggest star quarterback, Tony Romo. Who will win and the bigger question, which team deserves it the most? Cowboys fan, Ben Ferguson, and Eagles loyalist, Marc Lamont Hill, join me again. I love that you guys have your jerseys.
[Hill:] Yes.
[Flores:] I want to know who feels
[Ferguson:] Hey, you know what
[Flores:] like their team is due? Who has suffered more? Ben, 30 seconds.
[Ferguson:] Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Tony Romo this jersey I've got on right now, OK, is not a Romo jersey because it's sold out. Because everyone wanted to support Tony Romo since he had the season ending surgery. I think the Cowboys are due. I think Phillys are going to come in, they're going to be in Jerry's world, they're going to be terrified of this other quarterback they have not been planning for. I think the team is going to be playing for Tony Romo. The guy had serious surgery. I'm just saying, if I'm a Philly fan, I'm not sure I'd watch the entire game tomorrow. That's all I'm saying.
[Flores:] Marc, are the stars going to align for you?
[Hill:] There's not going to be a need to watch the entire game. By halftime, we'll be up by five touchdowns as you'll see. But let me be clear, I wish I wish Tony Romo were playing because Tony Romo has a remarkable ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. He always loses the game for the Cowboys. I'm I was actually sending him get well cards.
[Ferguson:] Except last week.
[Hill:] To support him for
[Ferguson:] Except last week. Hey, all right, I'll make you bet on national
[Tv. Hill:] He beat the Redskins he beat the Redskins, Ben.
[Ferguson:] Here's the deal.
[Hill:] That's like beating
[Ferguson:] All right. This is what I'll say. It's my team, when my team beats your team, OK, you've got I'm going to ship you this jersey, FedEx it to you, and you've got to wear it on TV next time we are on.
[Flores:] For the next segment.
[Hill:] Fair enough. And you've got you've got to wear I'm going to send you a Nick Foles jersey, my quarterback is playing this week. You're going to wear this Nick Foles jersey on TV. We're going to win and we're going to win big in Dallas.
[Ferguson:] Hey, Marc?
[Hill:] There's only two things we do in Philadelphia, we've been we boo Santa and we beat Cowboys. And that's what's going to happen.
[Flores:] I love the trash talk. Thank you so much for joining us. And we will talk about it later for sure.
[Ferguson:] Go Cowboys.
[Hill:] Eagles. E-A-G-L-E-S. Eagles.
[Flores:] All right. Thank you so much. And we move on to this. In Seattle, Big Bertha, the underground drilling machine has hit something it can't get past. Stephanie Elam has the story.
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] No doubt, Bertha is a behemoth. At five stories tall, she's billed as the largest diameter tunneling machine in the world. And she was put to work grinding a tunnel under Seattle for a planned highway. But Bertha was only a tenth of the way on her nearly two-mile journey when she suddenly encountered something large enough and strong enough to stop her in her tracks.
[Kadeena Yerkan, Washington State Department Of Transportation:] We're being really cautious. We want to make sure that we don't damage this $80 million machine.
[Elam:] But what is it? The mystery is fueling lots of speculation. Geologists point to how Seattle's watery edges were filled in with just about anything by the city's pioneers.
[David B. Williams, Geologist:] You find old shoes, newspapers. There's a boat buried in downtown Seattle. So, you name it, it could be down there.
[Elam:] Another theory is it's a massive boulder left during the Ice Age. Residents have their own guesses.
[Unidentified Female:] Some kind of burial ground, maybe?
[Unidentified Male:] Oh, yes. She's taking a Christmas break, you know what I'm saying? Merry Christmas, Big Bertha. You know what I'm saying?
[Elam:] If that's the case, Bertha's Christmas break started two weeks ago. Since then, the $3 billion tunnel project has been on hold as workers drill wells to alleviate water pressure in front of Bertha in hopes of sending workers to the front of the drill to see what she's up against.
[Unidentified Male:] You can't back the machine up. You got the segment aligning in behind you. So all you can really do is proceed forward.
[Elam:] But the Transportation Department says Bertha won't be moving forward until at least early next year after the mystery is solved. Stephanie Elam, CNN, Los Angeles.
[Flores:] You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Rosa Flores. The FBI is on the hunt for a man they say shot one police officer to death and badly wounded another. The officers were shot in Tupelo, Mississippi, when they faced off with the man reportedly trying to rob a bank. On the phone with me now from an FBI command post in Tupelo, Mississippi, Special Agent Daniel McMullen. Agent McMullen, tell us about your suspect. What led him to Tupelo and where do you think he might be right now?

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Time for the World Lead, he was supposed to interpret the day's speeches into sign language. Instead, this man now identified as Thamsanqa Jantjie basically flailed his arms. Observers say Jantjie was hired to interpret at the ceremony honouring Nelson Mandela, gesticulated without any discernible meaning and didn't even know the signs for "thank you" or "Mandela." In an interview with CNN David McKenzie, Jantjie defended his performance, but admitted something that's less easily laughed off than his wild gesturing.
[Unidentified Male:] What sort of disability do you have?
[Thamsanqa Jantjie, Mandela Memorial Sign Language Interpreter:] I'm suffering from schizophrenia.
[Tapper:] He told the Associated Press that he saw angels and was hallucinating while onstage. The A.P. also reported that Jantjie had been institutionalized at length and has had violent episodes. How did someone with serious, potentially volatile mental health issues wind up standing inches away from world leaders? Here to talk about it, former Secret Service agent and author of "Life Inside The Bubble, Why A Top Ranked Secret Service Agent Walked Away From It All," Dan Bongino. Sir, thanks so much. And before we start, we should disclose that you are running for Congress About of as a Republican from Maryland but we are not talking about politics today. We are here to talk about security, your experience as a former Secret Service agent. So this man, this interpreter, not only did he get into the ceremony, but he was allowed into the inner ring near the president. This seems like a fairly big deal. Is this a failure of the Secret Service?
[Daniel Bongino, Former Secret Service Agent:] I don't think so. That's not me trying to put lipstick on this, either. Clearly it was a failure. He was not only in the inner ring, he was in the inner, inner ring, the arms distance of the president, distance buys you time. There is no time to react if I'm within arm's length of you. If I know what I'm going to do, there's no time for the Secret Service agent, for me, no precognition here. It was a failure but I believe it was a failure on the South African front. I'll tell you why, having done a couple of these advances on foreign soil, especially the short time line advances. I did the signing of the START treaty in Prague. There's a significant trust component. I have worked with the South Africans. They are very competent. I think they were overwhelmed.
[Tapper:] The Secret Service did e-mail us to say that it was South Africa's responsibility to vet the interpreters. They say security measures were in place, agents were nearby ready to take action. I know they don't have jurisdiction for international events, but is the Secret Service allowed to do any vetting on their own? Would they be able to find out if an individual like this had some sort of institutionalization in his past?
[Bongino:] Yes, and yes. We do and we can. The problem is, we're used to United States operational law enforcement standards. NCIC, National Crime Information Center, we can just run your name and get basically an entire criminal history on you. Those standards don't necessarily apply overseas. So even if this individual, he may have been arrested and had a mental health history. They may not have known at all and if they don't know, our intelligence sources aren't going to know either. There's a co-dependency there.
[Tapper:] We talked about this before the memorial. We talked to Bob Baer, former CIA agent, a gentleman who worked in operations for a former White House. Instead of months, weeks to plan, this was a matter of hours. Ultimately, if you had been head of the secret service, do you think you would have given the go on this or do you not have the say? The president wants to go to the Mandela memorial, he's going to go?
[Bongino:] Well, realistically speaking, this isn't the movies. If the president wants to go, he's going to go, but they could have planned in advance. The Reagan funeral, the Secret Service had a plan. Everyone knew Mandela was in poor condition. They should have planned this out. The Reagan funeral, I was there
[Tapper:] The South Africans.
[Bongino:] Yes, like we did with the Reagan funeral. We knew he was in bad shape, planned it out in advance. When he unfortunately passed, it was seamless. The South Africans should have known that and planned in advance. It's their responsibility and they didn't.
[Tapper:] All right, Dan Bongino, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. We'll have you back to talk about politics. In other world news, Syrian rebels going to have to get their medical equipment and generators from somewhere else, at least for the time being, now that both the U.S. and Britain have suspended quote, "nonlethal aid to the rebels." This after a group called "Islamic Front" seized a weapons depot from the Free Syrian Army in the northern part of the country. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on a trip to Singapore explained the U.S. move.
[Chuck Hagel, Defense Secretary:] We are going to continue to help in the humanitarian area, which we have been doing consistently, but this is a problem. What has occurred here, big problem.
[Tapper:] As far as lethal aid from the U.S., we will go ahead and call that what it is, weapons from the CIA, it's not clear whether that will stop, too. This all comes about a month before the U.S. is scheduled to take part in the talks in the hopes of ending the ongoing war in Syria. I want to bring in our foreign affairs reporter, Elise Labott. Elise, specifically what kind of nonlethal aid are we talking about, how will it impact the rebels?
[Elise Labott, Cnn Foreign Affairs Reporter:] Well, it's nothing that's really going to turn this conflict around. It was nonlethal aid, food, medical supplies, communications equipment, trucks. But what this meant, the fact the Islamists seized these warehouses that belonged to the moderates is really a wake-up call for the administration that their policy on Syria is really in shambles right now because Islamists are gaining a lot of influence in the country, not just battling Assad but battling their own moderates. These are not guys in a cave in Afghanistan. These are al Qaeda linked rebels that are acting with impunity on the ground. In the last couple days, the State Department is criticizing them for massacres on the ground. There's a real concern right now that the country going to be overrun by extremists.
[Tapper:] So the policy in Syria has been criticized by foreign policy hands, including some who used to work for the administration, the Obama administration, as incoherent. Now it seems as though what's going on in Syria, even worse than whatever policy we have, just completely a mess. Is that what you're saying?
[Labott:] Well, I think the administration only has itself to blame because one of the concerns, one of the arguments of President Obama early on for not arming the rebels, not providing more lethal support, was there is going to be more extremism in the country, we don't want the country to become a safe haven for al Qaeda. Well, right now, it's becoming a playground for al Qaeda linked groups that are rivalling Afghanistan, Yemen and other countries. This is ahead of this peace conference in a month. These moderates on the ground are really weaker than ever. Now the administration has to regroup, my sources are telling me they are trying to discuss whether there are some Islamists that they can work with. There's a sliding scale of bad guys here. Some are linked with al Qaeda, some have more Islamic tendencies. They are trying to see whether they can bring these guys into the fold so they can all have a common goal of trying to get Bashar Al-Assad out. It doesn't look good right now.
[Tapper:] What a mess. Elise Labott, thank you so much. Appreciate it. This just in to CNN, North Korea's state news agency says the uncle of Kim Jong-Un has been executed. North Korean state news agency, KCNA, flashes traitor, Jang Sung-Taek executed. Coming up, in politics, we unveil politifact.com's lie of the year in a town where lies are as common as flies. What could possibly merit a special honor? And the Pop Lead, Bob Barker, you are 90 years old today. Come on down! You will never guess where Barker is spending the big day. Stay with us.

[Tapper:] We have some breaking news. A statement from Dick and Lynne Cheney, the former vice president of the United States and his wife, about the controversy about his daughters. Their daughters disputing, arguing, disagreeing with the issue of same-sex marriage. As you may know, Liz Cheney, running for Senate in the Wyoming, yesterday, said that she does not support same-sex marriage. Her younger sister, Mary Cheney, is married to a woman, Heather Poe. They have two children. They got married last year and there has been a very public dispute about this. Vice President and Mrs. Cheney saying in statement, quote, "This is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years. We are pained to see it become public. Since it has, one thing should be clear. Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage. She has also always treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. Compassion is called for even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter. And Liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position." The latest statement from Vice President and Mrs. Chaney, Lynne Cheney, on a family dispute that is very public and, perhaps, in some ways, gets at some disagreements that other families are going through, as well as a dispute going on in the Republican Party right now. Let's move on. Toronto Mayor Rob Ford is in a battle for his political life. Right now, city council is debating a vote to strip Ford of most of his key powers and hand them over the deputy mayor. This follows a similar vote last week that stripped Ford of other powers. Things got heated when the mayor's brother, Doug Ford, who is also a city counselor, came to his defense.
[Doug Ford, Toronto City Council Member & Brother Of Rob Ford:] Has he showed up to work every day and fulfilled his job?
[Unidentified City Council Member:] Counselor, those inquiries No disruptions. Those inquiries belong to one of the accountability officers to be reviewing if there's an issue.
[Ford:] I'm glad you said that. Thank you for answering the question because what it should be, the complaint should be filed through the city's integrity commissioner rather than this kangaroo court. Do you not agree?
[Bill Weir, Cnn Correspondent:] A lot of people are worried about Rob Ford these days, worried that he'll never leave office or that his appetites will kill him. You know what's not worried? Rob Ford.
[Rob Ford, Mayor Of Toronto:] I'm not an addict. I'm not an alcoholic. I'm not a drug addict.
[Weir:] And in the hearts of Ford nation, they believe him. Oh, you think he might have been set up?
[Unidentified Female:] Yeah.
[Weir:] But he admitted to smoking crack.
[Unidentified Female:] Well, maybe you just get fed up with everything.
[Unidentified City Council Member:] Have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?
[Weir:] Sure he may be a pariah on the floor of the city council and a punch line on "Saturday Night Live."
[Unidentified Actor:] Whoa, that's a lot of crack!
[Weir:] But out in the suburban public housing project, he is no pun intended a rock star. See, he may be a slash-and-burn fiscal conservative downtown but, out here, they say he's a bleeding heart they call when the eviction notice comes.
[Doug Ford:] Everybody keeps saying he's a conservative. He's a massive social liberal. He loves Obama.
[Weir:] Counselor Doug Ford invited us here. When his little brother showed up, we saw why. Almost everyone was thrilled to see him. [on camera]: These folks love you. But do you realize how you're perceived around the rest of the country, around the rest of the continent?
[Rob Ford:] They can make fun of me. They can laugh at me all they want. They don't know Rob Ford. These people have known me for about I was born and raised here.
[Weir:] Why did you decide to finally admit you had smoked crack?
[Rob Ford:] I'm not going to run around and be phony and, you know, lie. And I'm not going to have someone try to blackmail me and say they have videos of this and
[Weir:] But you did
[Bob Ford:] hold it over my head. Because you don't trust what "The Toronto Star" says. I'm just had enough. I was sick and tired of all these allegations and all this
[Weir:] Can't you see why some would question your judgment.
[Bob Ford:] So lie about it? Just hide?
[Weir:] No, no, no. that you would do it in the first place.
[Rob Ford:] No, no. I didn't say that. You're wrong. You're absolutely wrong what you said. They said, do you smoke crack and are you a crack addict? No, I don't smoke crack and I'm not a crack addict. Have I? Yes, I have. So that's what I didn't lie. I don't smoke crack. I haven't smoked crack in over a year, but did I? It's semantics to you. Typical media. You're all cut from the same cloth. You know what I mean? You guys spin it every way you want. But you know what?
[Weir:] At this point, Doug tries to calm his brother, which, as we've seen, ain't easy.
[Rob Ford:] But when you accuse me of being a crack addict and saying, do you smoke crack, no, I don't. I don't like people attacking my integrity.
[Weir:] Couldn't you be more effective if you were a little healthier?
[Rob Ford:] I'm trying to lose weight. I'm working out. I'm not perfect.
[Weir:] Why not see some addiction specialists just to make sure?
[Rob Ford:] I'm not an addict. You can tell me whatever you want. These people know I'm not. Do you ever get drunk before, Bill?
[Weir:] Of course.
[Rob Ford:] OK, sure.
[Weir:] But I'm not running a city in Canada.
[Rob Ford:] It doesn't matter. This is the thing. I don't look at myself as the mayor. I look at myself as a normal regular person. That's enough. I'm passionate. So guys, sorry, sorry.
[Weir:] ne more question. This is the one that really gets it from me. I know a lot of people who would party their brains out.
[Rob Ford:] Yeah.
[Weir:] But they're parents. Are you sure you're insulating your children from what's going on now.
[Rob Ford:] Absolutely, I'm the best father around.
[Weir:] But there's going to come a day when they Google their dad.
[Rob Ford:] I'm going to explain what they're hearing. You just dismiss them? I don't walk away from anyone, Bill, in life. All these rich, elitist people, I'm sick of them. I'm sick of them. No, no, they're perfect. They don't do nothing. Get out of here they don't do nothing. They're the biggest crooks around.
[Unidentified Female:] That's why they want to get rid of you.
[Rob Ford:] I'm sorry. I've got to get out of here.
[Unidentified Male:] Rob, we support you. We love you.
[Weir:] And not only are these brothers vowing to stay and fight, but they're also now vowing to find and run enough Ford nation believers to unseat every political enemy downtown. Bill Weir, CNN, Toronto.
[Tapper:] And you can see Bill Weir's full interview with Mayor Rob Ford tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on "A.C. 360." There may be a dunce cap in Arne Duncan's future after the education secretary had some choice words for so-called white suburban moms. We'll tell you what sparked his anger and the fallout from his response.

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[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] All right, but you won't hear many laughs about this at the White House, that's for sure. That's where we find our Athena Jones. Athena, good morning.
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Poppy. You're right, this is not a laughing matter for the folks in the building behind me. Now, the Department of Health and Human Services is stressing that this is a provider issue, but really it's just one more big headache for the administration about Obamacare. Jeff Zients, the man the president put in charge to fix the Healthcare.gov website, said it will be running smoothly by the end of November. But this other this next big meltdown that we're seeing now is raising questions about that.
[Jones:] Another major stumble for the problem-riddled website Healthcare.gov.
[Kathleen Sebelius, Health And Human Services Secretary:] It's better today than it was on October 1st, but it's a long way from perfect.
[Jones:] Visitors to the site late Sunday couldn't apply for health care coverage. A vendor for Verizon, the company running the website's data services hub, quote, "experienced a failure in a networking component." That service connects Healthcare.gov to the IRS and other databases used to determine eligibility. The company says they're working to fix the problem.
[Vivek Kundra, Salesforce.com, Vice Pres. Of Emerging Markets:] What you're seeing here is a gap in innovation and a gap in execution.
[Jones:] Plagued with technical issues, Healthcare.gov ridiculed on late night
[Tv. Unidentified Female, "saturday Night Live":] This site was only designed to handle six users at a time.
[Jones:] "Saturday Night Live" mocking Kathleen Sebelius.
[Unidentified Female, "saturday Night Live":] Consider using our low-res website, with simpler fonts and graphics.
[Jones:] Responsible for overseeing the website's implementation. And the pressure isn't letting up.
[Sen. John Barrasso , Wyoming:] She's already, as of "Saturday Night Live" last night, the laughing stock of America, so she's lost considerable credibility.
[Jones:] New Hampshire Senator Jeanne Shaheen urged an extension of the March 31st enrollment deadline.
[Sen. Jeanne Shaheen , New Hampshire:] So we can make sure we get as many people who want health insurance able to enroll and be able to be covered.
[Jones:] The administration says that mandate won't change.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] We're way still early in the process.
[Jones:] The president promising
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We've got people working overtime, 247, to boost capacity and address these problems every single day.
[Jones:] Now, Verizon says they're working to fix this problem, but we've got no word from Verizon or from HHS on just when it will be fixed. Poppy.
[Harlow:] And, you know, Athena, if people go to the website, what they notice is that this image of this woman sort of became known by some as the Obamacare girl, right there. It's not there anymore. Is this even a bill deal? Does it matter? Or was this just a strategic change to help people with the enrollment process put something maybe more useful up there? What does it matter? Because everyone's talking about it.
[Jones:] Well, she did get a lot of attention. People wondering what it feels like to be associated with this site that's not working well at all.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Jones:] Well, CMS, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which is managing this site, says that they wanted to change this site to show this more useful information. If you log on now or try to log on, go to that home page, it will show you the various options for signing up for health insurance. There's an icon of a phone and an icon of various people you can call to speak with and papers. So, it's showing you the different ways you can sign up and so they use those icons and they placed the picture of this woman, who maybe she's happy about it. Who knows. Poppy.
[Harlow:] Right. Yes, we haven't heard anything from her, right?
[Jones:] We haven't heard. People have been trying to track her down. Our own Jeanne Moos was looking for her.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Jones:] But now she's no longer going to be seen when people log in. And maybe that maybe that's a good thing for her. Poppy.
[Harlow:] Yes, certainly a small detail in the midst of everything else that's going on with that website. Athena, thank you. Appreciate it.
[Jones:] Thanks.
[Harlow:] Tracking top stories. A manhunt is underway for four inmates who escaped from an Oklahoma jail. A county sheriff says the men broke a lock on a hatch above the shower, moved through a crawl space, knocked out a cement block and then reached an unlocked door.
[Sheriff Gene Cain, Caddo County, Oklahoma:] Anytime you know anybody who breaks out of prison or anything you're going to say they're dangerous. We're not for sure there're armed, but you've got to you've got to think they might be. We know they wasn't when they left. You know they wasn't when they left but we don't know what they picked up after.
[Harlow:] Three of the escapees had been convicted of drug offenses. The fourth was waiting to go on trial on a gun charge. Meantime, a Spanish newspaper says the NSA collected data in Spain from 60 million phone calls over a 30-day period. The newspaper reports the calls were not recorded, but phone numbers, locations, and durations of calls were taken. One of the authors of that article, Glenn Greenwald. He first reported on documents leaked by Edward Snowden for the British newspaper "The Guardian." And Wall Street, there you hear it, the opening bell, opening for the week. Investors hoping for a record run to carry on. Hoping it has some legs. The S&P; 500 hit an all-time high on Friday. CNN chief business correspondent Christine Romans with us in New York. You know, Christine, I keep looking at these numbers and think just what a big divide there is between 71 percent of Americans in our poll last week who said they think the economy is poor, and all of the gains and all the wealth being accumulated in the market.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Yes. You're absolutely right. And, remember, about half of Americans are not invested in the stock market.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Romans:] They feel it 100 percent through their jobs. So that's what the big disconnect is all about. But for investors, for workers who have a 401 [k] in their at their company, wow, what a great year it's been. Now, today you've got a little bit of a pullback from those records last week, but I want to show you, Poppy, how far we have come this year because these year-to- date numbers are really, really good. The Dow is up 19 percent this year. The Nasdaq up 31 percent. The S&P; 500, now that is the average most likely to reflect the stock portion of your 401 [k], up 23 percent. Last week we had a terrific week for some tech stocks. Many of these that I'm about to show you are household names. They are widely held stocks. We're going to be hearing more from some of these tech companies this week. Apple reports its earnings after the bell. But look at Amazon. Google up just a fraction. But look at the price of Google's shares.
[Harlow:] Wow.
[Romans:] Poppy, they're above $1,000 a share.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Romans:] Microsoft up about 2 percent. It was a terrific week for stocks. No surprise for me this morning that you're having a little bit of a pullback. It's all going to depending on the earnings. And one last point quickly. A lot of this has to do with the Fed.
[Harlow:] Sure.
[Romans:] Many people say the Fed is not in any kind of business to be pulling back on its stimulus to the economy. That means stocks like it. They have been going up for some time.
[Harlow:] Right. Yes, we'll talk more about the Fed and the policy in the 10:00 a.m. hour with you. But I want to talk about this not strategic, petroleum reserve, strategic gasoline reserve. This is a move being made in New York one year after Sandy, right?
[Romans:] It would be the first state to do this. You have heard of these big, vats and vessels full of oil in the Gulf region that are America's strategic petroleum reserve.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Romans:] Well, this would be the first state this would be New York having a gasoline reserve on Long Island. It's about a $10 million pilot program here, to make sure that what happened last year doesn't happen again. Four days after Sandy, as you well know, Poppy, 60 percent to 65 percent of the gas stations were not working. They were either not working because they didn't have generators that could pump the gas, or they literally did not have the gas. There's already been one pilot program to make sure that you're getting generators to some of these smaller gas stations. This is the next step to make sure that there are supplies available. Andrew Cuomo wants to do this. Again, it's $10 million on the front end. No state has done something like this before. But when you think about New York and where it's situated and how this just happened a year ago in recent memory, a stronger storm or a storm of a different path could do the same thing all over again. Try and prepare. Poppy.
[Harlow:] Yes, absolutely. We'll see if it if it makes it through and what happens. I vividly remember those lines. All right, Christine, thank you.
[Romans:] You're welcome.
[Harlow:] Still to come, several people thrown from a ride at a state fair, terrifying. A lot of questions about was this really an accident. One man is now arrested. We're going to tell you what he's accused of doing and why more arrests may be on the way.

[Costello:] Chris Kluwe certainly has a way of words. His article, "I was an NFL player until I was fired by two cowards and a bigot" has now gone viral and it's "Dead Spin's" most popular post ever. The article alleges Kluwe was fired because of his outspoken support for gay rights. Not exactly what the NFL has yearned for, but it's now dealing with. Kluwe talked with Anderson Cooper.
[Chris Kluwe, Former Punter, Minessota Vikings:] I didn't start keeping notes until April like I said in the article when they drafted a punter and it was clear to me that my job was done with the Vikings because up until that point, I was under the impression that I would still play for them. I had done everything the coaches wanted me to do. My stats were the same as they had always been and I had no reason to think they were letting me go. No one ever said they were dissatisfied with my performance. Once they did draft a punter, I thought, I need to get this stuff down while it is fresh and make sure that I have
[Costello:] Kluwe alleged Special Teams Coach Mike Preefer made anti- gay comments telling players at a meeting, quote, "We should round up all the gays and send them to an island and nuke it until it glows." Kluwe also alleges the Viking's former head coach, Leslie Frazier and Minnesota's general manager discouraged his activisms. The Vikings say they are now investigating. With me now to talk about this, Rachel Nichols, anchor of CNN's "UNGUARDED" and David Cornwell, an attorney who represents many NFL players including Jonathan Martin of the Miami Dolphins. Welcome to both of you. Rachel, I want to start with you. Is Kluwe's article on "Dead Spin," are people talking about that within NFL circles?
[Rachel Nichols, Anchor, Cnn's "unguarded":] Absolutely. This has made a great impact and you know, as a reporter, someone who covers the NFL, you will love players like Chris Kluwe, smart, engaged, realizing that as a professional athlete, they have the chance to impact the world around them, however they see fit. Kluwe has been active, not just in marriage equality but in many other issues as well. As an NFL executive, he is not the kind of player that you necessarily want on your team, someone who makes waves, someone who has viewpoints that could be controversial. You can see where there was a divide here. I'm interested, though, in David's opinion on this. I have not seen too many NFL teams who let go of players who can help them in the game on the field. We have seen NFL players who have been arrested for drunk driving. We've seen NFL players who have been arrested for domestic abuse, murder investigations, all kinds of problems off the field. In an NFL team feels that that player in the balance helps them on the field, they keep that guy around. Now, the balance issue, though, is important. Maybe the Vikings did feel or certain members of the Vikings felt that the balance with Chris Kluwe, that he was causing too much of a distraction and worth getting rid of in comparison to how much money he was making and performance.
[Costello:] David, what do you think?
[David Cornwell, Sports Attorney:] Happy New Year to you and Rachel. Good morning, Rachel.
[Nichols:] Good morning, David.
[Cornwell:] It is an excellent point. The National Football League is about winning football games. Players and coaches will put up with a whole lot if they believe somebody can help you win a football game. Chris, no doubt, was influential and was making a difference. But I believe that the Vikings decision to go in a different direction is because they thought someone else could be a better player for them and not because of Chris's views with respect to same-sex marriage or anything else.
[Costello:] Would another team hire him?
[Cornwell:] If he is good enough, absolutely.
[Costello:] It doesn't matter. This controversy wouldn't matter to them.
[Cornwell:] Let me tell you something. This is more of a competitive sense than a sexual preference sense. The National Football League is about men and coaches are about leading men. The objective is to win games. You will be accepted in an NFL locker room in a nanosecond if the players believe you can help them win games. The coaches will lead you in that direction.
[Costello:] So, Rachel, also, in Anderson Cooper's interview last night, Chris Kluwe said that there were witnesses to his allegations, players, other players, on Minnesota's team. Let's listen.
[Kluwe:] I'm confident because it is the right thing to do. Also, one of the things that I'm going to push for and will absolutely demand is the fact that there must be anonymity for these witnesses. Being black balled in the NFL is a very real possibility. That's not something I'm willing to force my former teammates is to submit to. If it means interviewing all members of the 2012 Vikings in order to make sure no one is singled out, then that's what it takes.
[Costello:] So, Rachel, do you think that other players will ever come forward and stand up for Chris Kluwe and say, I heard those comments too?
[Nichols:] Well, I think it depends as Chris points out, what kind of shield they are given in this investigation. It does help this investigation that the Minnesota Vikings' coaching staff is in flux right now. The head coach has been fired. The assistant coaches are still technically retained by the team but a new coach is going to come in there. They usually bring in their own assistants. If this was a case where that coach was currently very much employed, the whole administration there was employed and, therefore, players were concerned about keeping their jobs, that might be a factor in having them be quiet. I think players will be a little bit more likely to talk if they feel like, hey, there is new coaches coming in here anyway. We have to impress all new people. As Chris points out, that anonymity or having some protection from the team where the NFL is important, like it is in any investigation where people are being asked to tell on their bosses.
[Costello:] Just to button things up, David, Rachel said a lot of personnel are leaving. Are the Minnesota Vikings really going to look into this when most of the people allegedly involved in this are going to be gone anyway?
[Cornwell:] I think they will. I think they have to. I think the commissioner will be sitting in the background to make sure that they are doing a comprehensive and a legitimate investigation. Given the things that went on with Jonathan in the Dolphins, I've met with the commissioner about that. Now, this in the Vikings, there is no doubt that the NFL is at the cutting edge of some social issues. They are going to deal with this responsibly. There is no question in my mind.
[Costello:] How is Jonathan Martin doing, by the way?
[Cornwell:] He is doing very well. He is back in school, studying, doing very well and anxious to get back into the NFL and play some football.
[Costello:] So you think he will definitely play football again.
[Cornwell:] Jonathan is one of the best tackles in the National Football League. Some team is going to want to have him on their team. I don't know if the Dolphins is the place he will end up but he will be able to play football in the National Football League.
[Nichols:] If you can play football, people will want you on the team.
[Costello:] I heard that from both of you many times this morning. Thanks to both of you. I appreciate it. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, the vote we've been talking about in the Senate on unemployment benefits is just about to begin. A live report from Washington next.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] "OUTFRONT" next, a big day in the Zimmerman case. We're going to have a full report. Our analysts and court watchers are standing by. Plus, a forensic expert took the stand today. We're going to tell you what he said about how Martin was positioned when he was shot. That crucial question of who was on top? And then just a short time ago, the NTSB held a news conference on the deadly 777 crash in San Francisco. What they learned about the final seconds before that crash landing. Plus an OUTFRONT investigation, did cultural factors play a role in the horrific accident? And a runaway train that exploded and has killed dozens, did someone release the brakes? Let's go OUTFRONT. And good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, is the Zimmerman case finally case closed? So George Zimmerman's lawyer said today that he's done. He's resting his case tomorrow. I mean, some people thought this trial would go on and on, but it has been anything but that. And there is a good chance that George Zimmerman will never take the stand in his own defense. Now this could be why. A noted pathologist took the stand today and said that according to how he has looked at the evidence it supports Zimmerman's account of the night Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.
[Dr. Vincent Di Maio, Forensic Pathologist:] It's my opinion that the muzzle of the gun in this case was two to four inches away from the skin. So the barrel of the gun was against the clothing, the muzzle of the gun was against the clothing, but the clothing itself had to be two to four inches away from the body at the time Mr. Martin was shot. This is consistent with Mr. Zimmerman's account. That he, that Mr. Martin, was over him leaning forward at the time he was shot.
[Burnett:] Obviously, if you're leaning forward the implication that you're on top because the clothes are hanging away from your body. So does this mean the state can't get a conviction? OUTFRONT tonight, our legal analysts, Mark Nejame, Sunny Hostin and Paul Callan. Great to have all of you with us. I want to start with you, Mark. Dr. Di Maio has some pretty impressive credentials. People say pathologist, aren't there a lot of them? How do we know this guy is legit, the guy? He has 40 years of experience. He served as the chief medical examiner in San Antonio and he was the former editor in chief of the "Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology." So he's got an impressive resume. How significant was his testimony?
[Mark Nejame, Cnn Legal Analyst:] He knocked it out of the park and I think anybody who observed him and listened to him knows that. He literally wrote the book. The book is called "Forensic Pathology." He wrote the book called "Forensic Pathology." His expertise is second to none. When you contrast it, the two MEs the state called, I'm sorry, you have polar extremes in the way that you present and the information that was given. You can completely eliminate George Zimmerman's testimony. Let's just presume he is the most untruthful person in the face of the planet. Let's eliminate all the testimony from all other witnesses. Here you have scientific, really uncontroverted evidence that is going to simply say what happened, and he simply explained it was George Zimmerman on the bottom and Trayvon Martin on the top. You can't doubt that.
[Burnett:] And he did do that and according to everyone that's been talking about it, seemed very effectively. Sunny, let me ask you though, because the state worked very hard to discredit him, to neutralize him, to find some holes in what he was saying about Trayvon Martin being on top. And I wanted to play you a little bit of the cross-examination where they tried to do that.
[Bernie De La Rionda, Lead Prosecutor:] So you're saying that Trayvon Martin had to physically be on top, like this?
[Di Maio:] I'm saying that the physical evidence is consistent with Mr. Martin being over Mr. Zimmerman.
[Rionda:] And is it not also consistent with Mr. Martin pulling away from Zimmerman on the ground, and would you have the same angle he's pulling away and Zimmerman shooting him at that time?
[Di Maio:] Yes.
[Burnett:] So, Sunny, obviously the state trying to set up a scenario that would have been sympathetic to Trayvon Martin's, his side of things, as opposed to George Zimmerman's. Did the state effectively put holes in what the forensic expert was saying?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Yes, I mean, I think the state was effective. I was in his courtroom for his testimony. He had this jury at hello. He is the world renowned expert in his field and so you can't attack his credibility his credentials, but you can poke holes in his version of what he believes to have happened. I believe the state was successful in doing that. But all in all he was a great witness for the defense, and I think that he was that's why he was called by the defense because the defense in had this case is all about self-defense. I think the prosecution did a great job coming out of the gate asking him, but you're not testifying about who threw the first punch. You're not testifying about who started all of this and that's what the prosecution's narrative needs to be. It needs to be about George Zimmerman pursuing, following, being the first aggressor and I think they got that out of this witness.
[Burnett:] Which is obviously crucial to this whole issue of second- degree murder. Paul Callan, do you think the success of Dr. Di Maio that both Sunny and Mark were talking about, led to why Mark O'Mara saying, look, I'm done. I don't need to bring others it to the stand. Do you think that's why he made that decision? More a last-minute decision or do you know coming into today I'm done?
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Usually the defense attorneys have something in reserve if they think they have to extend the case a bit. But frankly, I think a lot of attorneys that I know who are watching the case think that the case has been shredded. The prosecution's case has been shredded by the defense. Now you have this forensic evidence that lines up pretty much perfectly with the Zimmerman story. There were some good cross by prosecutors. There were elements that line up with the prosecutor's story as well. They needed a knockout punch forensically, the prosecutors, to show that Zimmerman's story was an impossibility given the physical evidence and, frankly, they didn't get that knockout punch in the cross-examination of this very impressive forensic pathologist.
[Burnett:] And I wanted to play one other thing that the forensic pathologist said, Mark, and this was about this issue of Trayvon Martin and where his hands were. Zimmerman has claimed that he placed Trayvon Martin's arms to the side after he had shot him, but Trayvon Martin, of course, was found, police at least say, with his hands under his body. How did that happen? When did that happen? The defense said Martin moved his own hands. There's been some confusion. The prosecution's expert said Martin would have been incapacitated immediately, that he wouldn't have been able to move his hand or do anything after he was shot. Dr. Di Maio came on, the expert, and said something totally different. Here is his version.
[Di Maio:] If I right now reached across, put my hand through your chest, grabbed your heart and ripped it out, you could stand there and talk to me for 10 to 15 second or walk over to me because the thing that's controlling your movement and ability to speak is the brain, and that has a reserve supply of 10 to 15 seconds. Now that's minimum.
[Burnett:] Mark, that's pretty graphic and horrible to hear, but also pretty powerful.
[Nejame:] Extremely powerful and really anybody in this business knows it to be true. I have a homicide case in my office where somebody had a similar injury with a knife and they ran through an alley before they ended up falling and talking and everything else. To accentuate this graphic explanation, he explained how a SWAT shooter with the police department will take a head shot and not a heart shot when they're after somebody. So that the person can't react if they get shot in the head they go down versus being shot in the heart, they could keep on shooting. That's powerful. That's graphic and that's something that can resonate with any juror.
[Burnett:] All right, thanks very much to all three of you as always and, of course, we'll be talking to you tomorrow night. The big question is, of course, when this is going to be done, when it's going to go to the jury, when we're going to get that verdict that the whole country is waiting for. We'll have more on the trial when we return including the controversy over the 911 tapes. Here is the question. City officials held a private session for the family to hear the tapes. City officials, not law enforcement officials. Why? And later, for the first time three women allegedly held captive for a decade speak out and they do it on camera. You're going to hear what they have to say, and you're going to see for yourself how they're doing and what they're like. And then we're going to go inside the cockpit of that 777 that crashed in San Francisco. So who was actually making the decisions in those final crucial second in could cultural protocol have delayed emergency procedures? It's a tough question to ask, but we're not afraid to ask it and we have an OUTFRONT investigation. And later, is this sports, sex, or just silly?

[Tapper:] Breaking now in our other National Lead, just minutes ago, the man accused of slaughtering a D.C. family and their housekeeper appeared in court. We know police doubt he acted alone. Daron Wint has been charged with first-degree murder. The dramatic takedown by U.S. marshals came late last night. It came exactly one week after the murders of D.C. businessman, Savvas Savopoulos, his wife, Amy, their 10-year-old son, Philip and their housekeeper, Veralicia Figueroa. Court document show they were tortured in their D.C. mansion, held hostage overnight and killed before the house was torched apparently to destroy the crime scene and the evidence, but the fire did not destroy evidence. Wint left behind, according to police, namely his DNA in discarded pizza crust. Marshalls cornered then apprehended Wint and five others last night. CNN's Pamela Brown joins me now. Pamela court documents in this case revealed a lot of new information.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] A lot of new information, Jake, including the fact that there were multiple witnesses who played a part in delivering the $40,000 to the family home before the family and their housekeeper were killed. And the court documents make it clear that police believe more people are complicit with the quadruple homicide beyond the suspect, Daron Wint, who is already in custody.
[Brown:] The 34-year-old Daron Wint did not act alone in the grisly quadruple homicide according to newly released court records. Wint who is seen here handcuffed and wearing a black hooded sweatshirt was taken into custody in Washington, D.C. Thursday night following a massive multistate manhunt.
[Unidentified Male:] We tracked him up to New York City and we barely missed him.
[Brown:] Law enforcement sources say it's believed Wint fled the D.C. area following the quadruple murder and was hiding in his girlfriend's New York City apartment since Sunday, eventually making his way back to the nation's capital. Wint was found traveling in a white Chevy Cruze, with three other women along with two men in this moving truck, one of the men is Wint's brother. Authorities recovered $10,000 of cash from the group, according to documents.
[Unidentified Male:] We followed him for about four, five miles and they did a wacky U-turn. We thought maybe they felt they were being tailed. We followed them. We continued to follow them. We called PG County Police and they sent up a helicopter. We got to a situation where we could successfully take them down and we did our standard practiced vehicle pin maneuver, and we were able to safely pin the vehicles, both vehicles, and place him under arrest.
[Brown:] Tonight, investigators are looking at what role the group may have played with the brutal killings of a wealthy D.C. couple, their 10-year-old son, and housekeeper after being held hostage overnight.
[Unidentified Female:] You don't have to spend multiple hours, eight, nine, ten hours in someone's home to extort money, and in this case, I'm very certain that the father would he given the offender ten times $40,000 just to get him out of the house.
[Brown:] Records show the 10-year-old boy was found burned with stab wounds. Fire accelerant was found in the room. Before the fire, two Domino's Pizzas were ordered to the home by Mrs. Salvopoulos. She instructed the delivery person to leave the food on the porch, ring the doorbell and leave according to these documents. DNA found on the pizza crust led authorities to Wint. A D.C. police say Wint worked at the Savopoulos family business, American Ironworks in the past. Wint just had numerous run-ins with police including for allegations of domestic violence, assault and theft. The latest gruesome accusations now have Daron Wint off the streets, but police are now looking for more suspects. Official I spoke with today says that no charges have been filed against the five people who were taken into custody with Daron Wint last night and no additional arrests have been made, but Jake, I'm told it's still a very active investigation.
[Tapper:] All right. Pamela Brown, thank you so much. Let's talk about this active investigation with D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier joining me now on the phone with an exclusive interview. Chief, thanks so much for joining us. First off, this seems like some very impressive detective work, but I do have to ask, having reviewed these court documents filed, have you arrested everyone that law enforcement believes was involved here? Is there anyone that the public can help you to search for?
[Chief Cathy Lanier, D.c. Metropolitan Police:] Well, it's still far too early for us to conclude that there's nobody else involved. I mean, obviously, there is a lot of evidence still to be collected. This is a large crime scene where the suspect was in the house with the victims for a longer period of time. And then the efforts to put out the fire makes that evidence collection more complicated. But I think it's far too early to say that there's nobody else involved, and right now as we're collecting more and more evidence, we get a new picture every single day as we collect more.
[Tapper:] The five people that were arrested with him, with Wint yesterday, are they still in police custody?
[Lanier:] No, they're not.
[Tapper:] They're not. Court documents make reference to at least two people being involved in the cash drop at the Savopoulos home including his driver. Are any of those people suspects in the case?
[Lanier:] Again, it's too early for us to draw any conclusions yet about who else, if anyone else, is involved, because there's still evidence to be collected. The tough part here is, until all the evidence is collected and processed, it's difficult to draw, you know, final conclusions. So we're looking at every possibility of anybody who may have facilitated, participated or been a part in any way in this crime along with Wint.
[Tapper:] Is there anyone involved as of now mentioned in any of the court documents or that was arrested with Mr. Wint yesterday who is related to him?
[Lanier:] There are some folks that were stopped when he was stopped yesterday. There were some relatives with him in the car. But right now the only person charged in this crime is Mr. Wint.
[Tapper:] Can you tell us the relationship?
[Lanier:] I don't know for sure. I know one was a brother and I believe there was a cousin as well.
[Tapper:] The court documents also include an affidavit stating that the crimes described both required the presence and assistance of more than one person. Are other people suspected, not just in the involvement of the crime because the affidavit makes it clear they are, but in the torture and the homicide, are they suspected of entering the house?
[Lanier:] That's what's unclear. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious was coordination to have money brought to the house and to get what he was looking for while holding the family hostage. Whether there was someone else that actually took part in the kidnapping and the murder is just, it's going to take time to get this evidence together, and we just don't want to jump to conclusions or draw any conclusions too soon.
[Tapper:] Wint's former attorney went on television, as I'm sure you know, and attorneys are, they advocate for their clients. The attorney was adamant police have the wrong guy. He was described as kind and gentle. Are you sure that Wint was involved?
[Lanier:] I'm from what I know about this case, I'm 100 percent comfortable that he was involved, yes.
[Tapper:] Do you anticipate other charges being brought against him in addition to homicide?
[Lanier:] Well, I would say over the next two to three weeks we will probably finalize processing most of what we had and any additional charges will be forthcoming in that time period.
[Tapper:] What have you learned about Wint's relationship with Mr. Savopoulos? He worked for him, I believe. Was there any friction?
[Lanier:] There's still a lot to be explored there. Obviously, you know, we're still interviewing quite a few people. There was a working relationship several years ago, but beyond that, we still have a lot of people to talk to do firm up what exactly, how that relationship has been in the more recent years.
[Tapper:] There is a report that Savopoulos fired a family member of Wint's, can you confirm that report and if so, have you talked to that family member?
[Lanier:] I can't confirm that at this point, Jake.
[Tapper:] Do you have any other of Wint's DNA anywhere else in the house?
[Lanier:] You know, I'm reluctant to comment on any more evidence. Again, we have quite a bit of evidence and not all has been processed yet.
[Tapper:] And then lastly, Chief, now that you've made an arrest, is there anything else you can tell us about the victims and how they were killed in such a horrific story and a horrific scene, but the degree of brutality in this crime obviously will come out.
[Lanier:] What I can tell you is, there's two daughters that are heartbroken, and terrified, and the parents of Savopoulos and a spouse of Vera's spouse, the housekeeper's spouse, I mean, there is a lot of people that are really still, you know, trying to come to grips with this horrific situation. So it's sad that a lot of the details that will come out during the court process will come out, but certainly we don't want to bring those out now.
[Tapper:] All right. I certainly can respect that. Chief Lanier, thank you so much for taking the time. Hope you have a meaningful Memorial Day. All right, thank you, Jake. When we come back, the U.S. marshal who nabbed the suspect will join me with new details on the moment they found Wint. How did they get him? What did he say when finally caught? That's next.

[Lake:] US stocks fell Tuesday after the US and several Middle East countries launched attacks against ISIS and Syria. There are also several other factors at play. Alison Kosik is at the New York Stock Exchange. And Alison, a weak day, but we really saw this start yesterday. What's going on in the minds of investors?
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] A lot of it, especially today and some yesterday, it was really all about the news flow. Today specifically those US airstrikes hitting Syria. So now the question is, will those geopolitical headlines be strong enough for a deeper pullback. Investors are trying to stay focused on the better trend of data that we've been getting, the strong earnings. And today, they've also been focused on the US government's crackdown on inversions. That's when a US company buys a rival overseas then moves its headquarters there to benefit from lower taxes. We saw shares today in some smaller drug companies take a beating. There's a merger in the works for AbbVie and Shire. That may be in jeopardy now that there are those restrictions on tax benefits. The merger may not be as attractive as it once was. Another thing that played a role in the Dow's drop today, lower volume. Maggie?
[Lake:] All right, Alison, we're going to talk about that tax issue in just a moment as well. Thank you so much, Alison Kosik for us. Well, European markets fell Tuesday on data showing weakness in the EU economy. French business activity contracted this month, and growth also slowed in German manufacturing. G20 finance ministers and central bank chiefs have made a pledge to rev up global growth with more infrastructure spending. They're meeting in Australia at the moment. Angel Gurria is director-general of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. He is on the other side of the world at that big event at the United Nations. He's had a lot of traveling, too, and he joins us now. Thank you so much for being with us on this busy week. Investors are clearly very concerned about Europe, and we're not talking about the periphery anymore. We're talking about core Europe. Seems to just be stagnating. How worried are you about growth in the region?
[Angel Gurria, Secretary-general, Oecd:] It's a very important concern. This is 25 percent of the world's economy, the single largest trading bloc. And the euro area in particular is still losing jobs. So, there's a lot of repair. And the legacy of the crisis was tremendous. Low growth, high unemployment, growing inequalities, a very serious deterioration of trust. And of course, the cylinders of growth, which are trade, credit, and investment, are all rather sluggish. On the other hand, there is this commitment in the G20 that they say will go for a 2 percent additional growth over four to five years. And that is very positive. It's the first time in G20 they're talking about growth rather than about crisis or about recovery. And basically, we ran or not totally, but ran a lot of the room on monetary policy. Ran out a lot of the room that we had on fiscal policy. So, it's mostly focusing on structural policies.
[Lake:] Yes, I want to ask you about that. The ECB is doing what it can, clearly. It is embarking on further strategies. The financial crisis was tough, but the UK is recovering, the US is recovering. Do they have the wrong policies in place in Europe? Do governments need to be doing more to stimulate growth?
[Gurria:] Yes, Maggie. There's only so much the central banks can do. I think we owe a lot to the central banks. They we would probably be in a much deeper trough if the central banks had not reacted so fast and so thoroughly. But there's a limited space in which they operate, that's interest rate, exchange rates. When you talk about structural change, we're talking about education, we're talking about innovation, we're talking about more competition. We're talking about regulations. We're talking about flexibility in the labor market, flexibility in the product market. We're talking about research and development, we're talking about the tax structures, we're talking about health systems. We're talking about the way you deal with infrastructure, et cetera. These are the things that are going to keep growth in the medium and in the long term going. And that
[Lake:] But let's talk about
[Gurria:] can only be done by
[Lake:] that innovation.
[Gurria:] public policies, not by central banks. This is not by central banks
[Lake:] That's right.
[Gurria:] this is by public policies.
[Lake:] That's right, and we've seen a lot of inaction on the public policy front. Let's talk about innovation. A lot of people would like to see innovation in clean energy. You are there talking about the climate at the UN. What is the price of inaction? We have a lot of rhetoric every time we have one of these summits, but very little action. What price is that? What cost to the global economy?
[Gurria:] Maggie, the price of inaction is the highest price of all. Every single known course of action is less expensive than the price of inaction. The price of inaction is going to have enormous consequences. We have no more questions today about the science. And we also know that the economic consequences of inaction are enormous, and therefore, the question is, why do we not do something about it? We did not know that the financial crisis was coming and the extent of the financial crisis. But had we known half of what we know about climate and the environment, we would have probably avoided its worst consequences. Well, we know a lot more about the environment, a lot more about climate. Why is it possible or why is it not possible that we get going with it? We've already started late. We've lost a lot of years. And we remember, we have to go for the second half of this century to a zero net emissions coming from fossil fuels. Otherwise, we will not make that target of maximum two degrees warming, and the consequences can be very devastating
[Lake:] Absolutely. Well, we can only hope that leaders will take this very seriously and act on that crisis. Angel Gurria, the secretary-general of OECD, thank you so much for joining us this evening.
[Gurria:] Thank you, Maggie.
[Lake:] Now, we mentioned the US crackdown on tax inversions. You heard Alison talking about it. The way it works is US companies buy rivals in other countries, move their own headquarters there in order to enjoy lower taxes. Now, that's the idea anyway. We've seen a few examples of this just in the past couple of weeks. Now, a US food fast giant really grabbed headlines, Burger King. It said it will by the Canada-based doughnut chain Tim Horton's. The new headquarters would be in Ontario. Chicago-based drug maker AbbVie agreed to buy Ireland's Shire PLC. That new company would be headquartered in Dublin. The new rule changes make it a lot harder for companies to keep their cash offshore. It will also make ownership thresholds somewhat stricter, and there will be no more of fattening up of foreign partners by including so-called passive assets, like securities. In most cases, they will no longer be counted. Well, Willie Walsh says the aviation industry is united in an unprecedented way on the issue of climate change. The IAG CEO says airlines can't do it alone. That's next on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.

[Burnett:] Breaking news: President Obama spoke today with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the crisis in the Middle East, expressing concern about the risk of even more escalation. Still, though, he reiterated Israel's right to defend itself against attacks from Hamas. Now, on the ground, a new wave of Israeli airstrikes have been battering Gaza. All of this, Israel says, an effort to stop militant rocket fire from Hamas coming into Israel. Today, rocket fire from Gaza struck the coastal city of Ashdod, Israel. Two Israeli soldiers were wounded in another attack. And Hamas released this footage of militants firing rockets into Israeli cities. Israel says more than 350 of those rockets have been launched this week, four into Jerusalem today. Meanwhile, Israel says it has struck at least 785 Hamas targets since Monday. Palestinian officials say more than 80 Palestinians already have been killed by those strikes. And now, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the offensive is going to get bigger.
[Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister:] This operation could take time. We resolve to defend our families and our homes.
[Burnett:] Already, Israeli tanks are poised at the border prepared for a possible ground invasion into Gaza. And Wolf Blitzer joins me now from Jerusalem where, obviously, it's incredibly tense and a place where you have rockets coming into a city where people are going about their daily lives. Wolf, what are your sources telling you about what to expect? As the number of rockets go up and up on both sides, are we looking at an all-out war?
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor, The Situation Room:] The pressure clearly is growing on the prime minister of Israel and the Israeli cabinet to authorize a full-scale invasion, a ground offensive against various targets inside Gaza, not necessarily they say to reoccupy Gaza, which Israel vacated back in 2005, but to go after as much of Hamas' rockets and military firepower, their arsenal, as possible to destroy it. It's a pretty risky operation, though, because remember Gaza is a very small area, about 1.5 million Palestinians are crowded in there. It could be extremely bloody. And as you pointed out, the president of the United States spoke with the prime minister today. And I assume President Obama urged caution and restraint. I don't know how much longer the Israelis are going to feel that restraint, the pressure clearly building to move in.
[Burnett:] Of course, the pressure building, but as you say impossible to not kill children, civilians when you're looking at such densely populated locations. And when you arrived earlier today, Wolf, what have been your impressions so far coming into you know, it's hard sometimes to imagine just what a small space we're talking about, that you're about rockets coming into a city that really is the heart and soul of a country.
[Blitzer:] You know, the immediate impression you get off the plane at Ben Gurion Airport outside of Tel Aviv and you're walking in the terminal and literally every 40, 50 feet you see a sign "shelter" and then there's arrows, where you go to a shelter, to a bomb shelter. And, of course, here in Jerusalem, you see that the Israelis, though, are a pretty hardy folk. They're going about with their lives but they're clearly concerned whether in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv or other populated parts of the country especially down south near the Gaza border. So, it's a tense time. They've been through it before. They're not happy about it. But they feel they got to do something about it, so they're worried.
[Burnett:] All right. Wolf Blitzer, thank you very much. Wolf will continue his reporting there from Israel and Jerusalem throughout the week. Thanks, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] And tonight, a new picture of Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, posing with a Taliban leader. I want to show this to you because a few things to make clear. First of all, it's undated. It was while he was in captivity. It was posted on a pro-Taliban Twitter account that has put out a lot of propaganda pro-Taliban. Now, Bergdahl in this picture that you're looking at is seen with a top leader from the Haqqani Network. And the man the other man in the picture was actually killed by a drone strike in August 2012. So, we know that is at least that old. But we don't know the context of the photo. And what we really don't know is whether this smile that you see here was natural or coerced. And we'll keep showing you this picture. You can make perhaps your own judgment on what you think. But we're also learning tonight that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs Staff, all of them, unanimously supported the president's decision to trade Bowe Bergdahl in change for five Taliban commanders. After five years in captivity, Bergdahl returned to the United States nearly a month ago. His reintegration process is almost over. OUTFRONT tonight, Roy Hallums. He's an American contractor who was kidnapped in Iraq in 2004, spent 311 days in captivity, in chains, in a small space underground, in the dark, went through horrific things that gives him a real sense of what might have happened to Bowe Bergdahl. And, Roy, I want to start with this picture first. When you look at this picture, what do you think? There is Bowe Bergdahl smiling next to a Taliban leader.
[Roy Hallums, American Held Hostage In Iraq For 10 Months:] Well, when I see the picture to me it's completely staged. I mean, this Sergeant Bergdahl was being held hostage and everything he had every day depended on the hostage takers and possibly this man. I mean, whether he gets a drink of water, whether he gets to go to the bathroom, whether he gets food depends on everyone around him, not on him. And I'm sure if they wanted to take a picture, that would be an easy thing to do.
[Burnett:] Why, though, would they want him smiling in the photo? I mean, it seems like a lot of things that you see that come out of these hostage situations of the hostage looking afraid, miserable, trying to keep their calm and say what they're being told to say. Why would they want him looking happy and satisfied and smiling?
[Hallums:] Well, I think it's just part of the propaganda. They want to give the image to the world that they're treating him well when I'm sure they were not treating him well. I know when I was being held, there was a French reporter who was also kidnapped and held with me for about six months, and when she was being released, the sheikh who was the head of the gang told her well, be sure and write good things about us when you leave and tell the world that we treated you well. And she was talking to me late at night and said, how could people think like that? You know, they had me tied up, they had me in a hole under the ground, yet they want me to write good things about them.
[Burnett:] And, Roy, that's a pretty fascinating insight there. I mean, did were they ever asking you to pose or act in a certain way for pictures or videos or anything that they might release?
[Hallums:] Yes. In the video that I made, they messed my hair up, they wanted me to look sick because the gang that had me wanted $12 million for me. And they were trying to give the impression that I was sick and something was wrong with me so whoever might have the money would hurry up and give them the money before I was able to before I got more sick.
[Burnett:] And you know, Bergdahl's almost done with his reintegration process sources are telling us here at CNN. There's still no indication he's talked to his parents. I've talked to people who know Bowe Bergdahl and know his parents and say he was indeed estranged from them when he was younger as he went into the military. I know from your experience, though, you talked to your family immediately after being rescued. I mean, is there any reason you can think of at this point that he may not be ready to see his family yet?
[Hallums:] I can't think of a reason. That part surprises me because, as you said, the first thing I wanted to do was talk to my family and tell them I was rescued and I was doing OK. Why he might want to delay, I can't offer a suggestion on why he might want to do that.
[Burnett:] I mean, I know it's hard to say. But the other thing that I found interesting, Roy, and I was curious as to your point of view in terms of the decisions you made to go back to what you were doing before. You know, sources are telling us Sergeant Bergdahl is expected to be assigned to a new unit shortly. Obviously, there'd be an investigation into the circumstances under his leaving the base that night. But are you surprised given that and given what he has just endured that he would want to stay in the military?
[Hallums:] Yes, I was surprised when I first heard that. I thought he would probably get out of the military and go on to other things. It could be part of the legal process, I'm not sure that he won't be allowed to get out of the military until the investigation's finished. But it surprised me that he might want to stay, yes.
[Burnett:] All right, thank you very much, Roy. I always appreciate talking to you. Thank you tonight.
[Hallums:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] Well, John, Paul, George and Ringo, the Beatles in 1964 at the very height of Beatlemania. The photographs from that year are some of the most iconic images in terms of pop culture and music ever recorded. Tonight more than 50 years later, Harry Benson, the legendary photographer who took all of them while traveling around the world with a band, shares his memories on some of his favorite Beatlemania photos.
[Harry Benson, Legendary Photographer:] In Paris, that's when Beatlemania started, no question about it. After being number one in America, all of a sudden, instead of a crowd around the hotel, there was now a big, big crowd around the hotel, every day and screaming. I was on the same floor with them, and in the bedroom after the show, and Brian Epstein, the manager comes in to say, "We're number one in America." "I want to hold your hand." Happy, now, I've got happy Beatle. So another half hour and he comes in again to say, "We're on "The Ed Sullivan Show". We're going to America. So I said to them, how about a pillow fight?" They said yes. Then, John said, "No, no, no. We're looking child we'll look childish. We've got the look more mature" and the others went, yes, yes, that's right. Anyway, Paul was sitting having a drink on a couch stretched out and John comes up behind him with a pillow. Hits him in the back of the head, spills a drink. That started it. I like pictures to be spontaneous. I like movement in my pictures. The Beatles having a pillow fight. You look twice at it because you look again just to see if they landed in a big heap, which they did. You know, afterwards, I photographed The Who and a bit of the Stones and Michael Jackson and did a lot, but you know, after the Beatles, who wants to do Hall & Oates?
[Burnett:] All right, for more on the Beatles and the rest of the British invasion, catch CNN's Emmy-nominated series "The Sixties", tonight at 9:00. Next OUTFRONT, shocking new details about the so-called killer call girl whose link to a Google executive's death and police are now asking if there's another death in this sordid tale. And the man who wrote the book on surviving the bulls of Pamplona gored twice by a bull. Jeanne Moos has our story.

[Romans:] It's "Money Time", everybody, and a little music to go with it. Rock stars are headed to the White House today to meet with the president. Tech rock stars, not real rock stars.
[Berman:] Not John Oates?
[Romans:] President Obama no, no, no. Or Daryl Hall. Look, the president needs some pointers on how to fix this health care Web site. Also beefing up cyber security for America's technology infrastructure. All things are things that Apple CEO Tim Cook, Yahoo's CEO Marissa Mayer, Facebook's chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg, have, you know, important insight into. Also on the agenda today, ways the government can partner with tech companies to create some jobs. So that's the big event at the White House with those rock stars. Tech rock stars. Big gains in stocks yesterday. A rock star day there. After posting the biggest drop since August last week, the Dow Industrial is surging 130 points. Really great day yesterday. Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed, this is the big story and it really matters to you. This is the second to last Fed meeting for Ben Bernanke. And you know there have been these fears that he might announce tomorrow that he is trimming the stimulus that's kept interest rates so low and kept the market so juiced but Citigroup Fed watcher Bob DiClemente says history shows the Fed doesn't like to begin pulling back the punch bowl in December. In fact over the past 40 years, it simply hasn't happened that they do that in the end of the year. And a well-stocked punch bowl, a well spiked punch bowl also called an accommodating Fed has put us right where we are today. Look at this. For the year the Dow is up 21 percent, the Nasdaq up 33 percent and the S&P; is up 25 percent.
[Berman:] That's good punch.
[Romans:] That is good. That tastes oh so good. I don't know what the hangover is going to feel like, but right now that ride is good.
[Berman:] How long can you keep this metaphor going?
[Romans:] I'm going to keep it going hopefully for a few more months. Now while there was plenty of buying on Wall Street Michael Jordan's Chicago dream home didn't even attract the minimum bid. Remember we told you about his house, this 56,000 square foot house? It failed to sell at auction Monday after lingering on the market for nearly two years. It even comes with a full-sized NBA regulation indoor basketball court. Who doesn't want a big 23 on your gate? Except if you're number isn't 23. Look. No one offered here. The minimum I think was $13 million. Do a little megamath. The Mega Millions jackpot owner could get this. You know, if you won $600 million by tonight, you could buy 46 Michael Jordan houses.
[Berman:] Wow.
[Romans:] Or just one and put the rest of the money in the bank.
[Berman:] It's a good idea. I like that idea. $13 million, no one wants that house for $13 million?
[Romans:] It's a very big house. It's I mean, it's a very unique property.
[Berman:] It's sad for Michael Jordan. Fifty-four minutes after the hour. Coming up, a college campus evacuated. The bomb squad called in. What happened next? That's coming up after the break.

[Baldwin:] So, a suspect in a string of rapes that absolutely terrified women in Dallas has now been arrested in Louisiana. Police say DNA evidence linked Van Dralan Dixson to four of the nine attacks reported in the Fair Park area since June. Dixson was arrested at a motel near downtown Baton Rouge. He will be sent back to Dallas for questioning while police wait for DNA results in these five remaining rapes. But this is the twist I wanted to talk to you about because it involved this other man. His name is Alan Mason. Police named Mason, this person of interest, in the serial rape case last week. The police chief even sent out this tweet announcing it. Mason, by the way, is sitting in jail on a charge that has nothing to do with the rapes or any violent crime whatsoever. He says being named a person of interest in a serial rape case has ruined his life.
[Alan Mason, Named "person Of Interest" By Police:] It really affected my life. I'm 29-years-old. I built, you know, my reputation based off of integrity and doing what's right, and for him to just take that away overnight, that's really I don't have any words to explain it.
[Baldwin:] Mason wants police to apologize and clear his name. Dallas police say he is still a person of interest, at least until the results of the DNA tests are in. Mason's story got us wondering. What happens if you are named a person of interest in a crime and you're totally innocent? What kind of recourse do you have? Let's talk about that with criminal defense attorney Danny Cevallos. And, Danny, first things first, just language-wise, can you please explain the difference to me between a person of interest and an actual suspect?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] A person of interest is just that. Somebody the police want to talk to and who may have information. It doesn't go that extra step of naming them as a suspect, in other words, that they think this is the person that committed the crime or they believe is reasonably likely to have committed the crime. And there's an important distinction there. Being named a person of interest doesn't mean that you are a suspect, so that goes a long way to defeating any defamation claim this individual may have.
[Baldwin:] So, OK, let's say you're a person of interest, in this case, Mr. Mason, and police will ultimately find out there is zero connection between him and these rapes, for example. What kind of recourse does he have?
[Cevallos:] First, let's talk about defamation. He would have to prove that if he's allowed to even bring that, and I'll address that in a second if he's allowed to bring defamation, he would have to prove this somehow monetarily damaged his reputation. One big hurdle is he's already in jail anyway, so if there was any implication he has committed crimes, that might help to defeat that defamation claim. But, secondly, and most importantly, police officers, unless they go out of the scope of their duty, are almost always immune. It's what we call sovereign immunity. In other words, you can't sue the king. Similarly, you can't sue the government in most cases unless they let you. And the general rule is, as long as the police officer didn't act outside the scope of his duty, statements that he makes in the course of his duties as a public official will leave him immune from lawsuits like defamation.
[Baldwin:] OK, and who knows, even if you are ever a person of interest and cleared, if it really ultimately ever clears you. Danny Cevallos, thank you very much, "On the Case" with us today. In the 12 years since 911, more than 2 million U.S. service members have deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan, and Hollywood director J.J. Abrams, you know his work, "Mission Impossible 3," "Star Trek," "Lost," the list goes on and on, well, so now J.J. Abrams has another mission, helping vets find purpose when they come home. This is today's "Impact Your World."
[J.j. Abrams, Director:] Hi, I'm J.J. Abrams and we can make an impact helping veterans acclimate back into society. It's incredibly important that we are welcoming them when they're done with their service, looking to them not as charity cases. This is about people who can teach us. The Mission Continues is a nonprofit that helps veterans returning from service find their purpose. Whether you're a vet or not, I think it's one of the dreams in life, to find the thing that you know you can do and that you love. And what you learn when you're in the service, there's organizational skills, there's skills of leadership, so to come back to communities that are desperately in need of that kind of voice, it seems like communities need it. The vets need it. It's important that we take advantage of that and find them the training and find them the jobs and the opportunity to continue to serve even though they're not in the service. Join the movement, "Impact Your World," CNN.comimpact.
[Baldwin:] Today, here, as we talk so much about 911, today also marks one year since that attack on the United States consulate in Benghazi. We're now getting word today of whole new explosion. It's rocked the city. Jake Tapper joins me next.

[Blitzer:] Now to the war against ISIS. Egypt says its warplanes have, again, struck 10 ISIS targets in Libya. The bombing raids in Derna were in retaliation for the savage killing of 21 Egyptian Christians who were living and working in Libya. Egypt says its fighter jets carried out strikes based on what they call accurate intelligence and targets included ISIS training and storage locations. But an umbrella group of Islamist militias tells a different story. That group claims women and children were killed when the Egyptian air strikes hit civilian areas. CNN has not been able to independently verify the claims. The trigger for the air strikes was an ISIS video showing the apparent beheading of about a dozen Egyptian Christians. Egypt says that all 21 Christians were killed by ISIS in Libya. Our correspondent Ian Lee joins us now from the Egyptian town where some of the Egyptian Christians lived earlier. Ian, what are you learning about these men, who they were, why they traveled to Libya?
[Ian Lee, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, this is a very poor town and it is a close-knit town. Many of the people living there are related. Thirteen of the men in that video were beheaded. Everyone in that village is grieving. Why they go there is that there aren't job opportunities here in Egypt for them. They seek a better life, better wages in Libya to bring it back and start families. Many of the people we talked to, we're talking about either supporting their children or trying to start a family. And that's why they were going to Libya. I talked to one man who was actually with those 13 that were kidnapped when it actually happened, he ran into ISIS himself. He tells me that when the ISIS militants stormed their apartment complex, there was a man, a local man at gunpoint pointing out where the Christians were staying. He said he didn't answer his door when the militants knocked. But his nephews and his cousin opened their door. Right next door, he said there was a crack in the wall that he could see the militants walking into the room, grabbing them and taking them away. And he said if it weren't for the fact that this created a lot of commotion, more Christians from this apartment complex would have been taken away, though he does feel a lot of guilt, his family he felt like he has needed to protect these boys. But he says he really couldn't be a hero. He would have just been another victim if he had been. He said the one thing, though, that does give him comfort is he knows the the name of God was on their lips when they died, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And Egyptian officials say they're going to continue these air strikes, pounding ISIS targets in Libya. Ian Lee, thanks very much. At the White House earlier, the White House right now, I should say, they're talking about fighting terrorism before it takes root. Some 60 nations are sending high-level representatives to a three-day White House summit. This new poll, by the way, shows most Americans say Congress should give President Obama the legal authority to wage war against ISIS. The CNNORC poll shows nearly four out of five people in the United States want lawmakers to give want lawmakers to give the president the power to use military force. That shows a slight decline in support since December. Our senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta is joining us now. Jim, when it comes down to the use of ground combat troops against ISIS, this new poll shows the American public is largely divided.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] That's right. And that is no surprise, Wolf, after a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the public is not in the mood to get back into a huge ground war in the Middle East. But let's put these numbers up on screen because there is something interesting to point out, Wolf. While you do mention, yes, the public largely against this, it says 47 percent in favor, 50 percent opposed. Look at the number in November, 43 percent in favor, 55 percent oppose. So you do see a movement in the direction of perhaps favoring the use of ground forces in Iraq to fight ISIS. And I think that is interesting to see that kind of movement. You mentioned the summit that's being held over here at the White House to counter violent extremism, that is the other side of the coin here for this administration. They believe very strongly that when this war against ISIS that you're basically going to have to do more than drop bombs on targets in Iraq and in Syria, you're going to have to attack this problem at the root. And that means going after these communities with a different kind of message. And we're going to be hearing more about that over the next several days. The vice president is speaking today. President Obama will be speaking tomorrow and the next day. And the reason why they're doing that is because the president feels very strongly, Wolf, that this is not a war against radical Islam. He's gotten in some hot water over that. A lot of Republicans disagree with that message. But that is the message we're going to be hearing about all week.
[Blitzer:] We certainly are. We're going to be covering it. We'll see what the vice president says today. And we'll certainly cover what the president has to say tomorrow. Thanks very much, Jim Acosta. When we come back, our new poll, for the first time, we're releasing new numbers on the prime minister of Israel's expected visit to the United States on March 3rd to address a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress. Did the Republican leadership, John Boehner, the speaker of the House, do the right thing by inviting the prime minister to Washington without getting that cleared by the president of the United States in advance? We have new poll numbers on how the American public feels.

[Blitzer:] We're keeping a close eye on the George Zimmerman murder trial. Right now we're going to bring you live coverage in a few minutes once the trial resumes. They're in a brief recess right now. But first, some politics, and not police work, that's what's been driving the George Zimmerman case according to the man who initially led the investigation in its early stages. Bill Lee says it was politics that ultimately cost him his job as Sanford, Florida's police chief. He sat down for an exclusive interview with CNN's George Howell.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] You're saying this was the result of political pressure that you lost your job?
[Bill Lee, Former Sanford Police Chief:] I believe it was political pressure and the fact that I upheld my oath.
[Howell:] Sanford, Florida, a town caught in a decisive, racially charged death investigation. Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman admitted to shooting and killing unarmed teenager, 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. And at the time, Bill Lee was the police chief.
[Lee:] We were investigating the death of Trayvon Martin, which was a tragedy. You know, we wanted to find out what truly happened and seek justice.
[Howell:] Lee says the investigation started that night. They took George Zimmerman into custody for questioning but he claimed self- defense and the Sanford Police Department let him go. Your lead investigator, Chris Serino, suggested manslaughter on that initial police report. Why is it that, you know, for 40 plus days George Zimmerman walked a free man?
[Lee:] The laws of the state of Florida, and the constitution, require you to have probable cause to arrest someone. The evidence and the testimony that we had didn't get us to probable cause. You know, if we had people that were witnesses, that could tell us that the self- defense claim or the way George Zimmerman said things happened that contradicted that, then we certainly may have probable cause.
[Howell:] Martin's parents hired Benjamin Crump, a skilled civil rights lawyer, and his persistent demands that George Zimmerman be arrested lit the fire of a national uproar. People traveled to Sanford to march.
[Crowd:] Justice for Trayvon.
[Howell:] Talk to me just a bit about that outside influence, because at the time you remember there were a lot of civil rights leaders who came to town. There were a lot of protests and, you know, people see this situation differently, but there is a segment of people who said from the beginning of at this case that, you know, had George Zimmerman been black, he would have been arrested, he would have been behind bars. What do you say about that suggestion from people?
[Lee:] The Sanford Police Department conducted an unbiased and professional investigation. Race did not come into play for the Sanford Police Department.
[Howell:] But the calls for an arrest grew louder and Lee says city officials and the city manager, his then boss, felt the heat. When you look back at what happened, was there a lot of pressure on you to make an arrest?
[Lee:] There was pressure applied. You know, the city manager asked several times during the process, well, can an arrest be made now? And I think that was just from not understanding the criminal justice process. It was related to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if he got dismissed later. And you don't do that.
[Howell:] In a statement, city manager Norton Bonaparte tells CNN, quote, "Lee told me he took an oath of office and could not make an arrest. Once he told me, I don't recall ever asking him about arresting him." Is it fair to say that the investigative process, in a way, got hijacked?
[Lee:] Yes, in a number of ways.
[Howell:] After Lee announced he wouldn't bringing charges against Zimmerman, police passed the case on to the state attorney's office. The governor then assigned the case to Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, who charged George Zimmerman with second degree murder.
[Lee:] That investigation was taken away from us. We weren't able to complete it. And it was transferred to another district or a different state attorney. So, you know, and that outside influence changed the course of the way the criminal justice process should work.
[Howell:] After only 10 months on the job, Lee was temporarily suspended and later fired by the city manager. There was political pressure on one hand, would you agree?
[Lee:] Sure.
[Howell:] There were outside influences on the other?
[Lee:] Yes.
[Howell:] Did you get a fair shake?
[Lee:] I don't think so. I upheld my oath. You know, I upheld, you know, my oath to abide by the laws of the state of Florida and the constitution and I'm happy that at the end of the day I can walk away with my integrity.
[Howell:] One of our legal analysts today said, you know, Bill Lee, Chief Bill Lee really got thrown under the bus. Would you agree?
[Lee:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] And George is with us. Good interview, George. You know, his decision at this critical moment to speak out to you, explain a little bit more about why he decided this is the time he wants to explain his version of what happened.
[Howell:] Wolf, absolutely. If you look at what happened just the other day, you saw people on the stand, and we've seen several people on the stand so far, let's go back and look. The lead investigator, we've seen Chris Serino. We've seen Doris Singleton, the other investigator. We've seen Norton Bonaparte, the city manager here of Sanford, talking about that 911 tape the day the city decided to take what Bill Lee says was police evidence, release it to the public, but also hold a meeting so that Trayvon Martin's family could hear that audiotape at city hall in the mayor's office. That's something that Lee says that he never would have allowed. In fact, he suggested, he advised against it. That's why he's talking out now. It seems like given what's come out in court, where you heard Norton Bonaparte talking about the decision that was made to play that audiotape, and also talking about whether or not he received instruction from his police chief about whether it's a good idea to play that tape, now is the time, he says, to come out and talk about his side of the story, his version of events and why he decided, you know, playing that audiotape was a bad idea, but also about that investigative process. He wanted to make the point that when you look at everything that's come out through the court, his investigators did their job. He did his job. But, again, the difference is he lost his job.
[Blitzer:] Because, he says, of politics, which interfered in that investigation. And he makes that point in the interview with you. George, don't go away because we're keeping a close eye on the latest developments in the George Zimmerman murder trial. Prosecution and defense attorneys, they are getting ready, in a few minutes, to argue over whether or not the jury will be allowed to consider lesser charges, lesser than the second degree murder charge, including manslaughter and aggravated assault. Something the prosecution wants, the defense does not want that. You're going to hear some intense arguing before the judge. In the end, Judge Debra Nelson will make that ruling whether or not lesser charges will be considered by the jury or now. We'll take a quick break. We'll get back into the courtroom when we come back.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] It's really interesting, too, because what we're going to see happen is a recovery mission that looks a lot if you were alive back then in the '60s and '70s, you might just remember the way the spacecraft, like the Apollo, the capsules, when they would have these water landings. Why don't we listen in to NASA right now and we can listen and watch this unfold.
[Unidentified Male:] Orion is back on Earth. America has driven a golden spike as it crosses a bridge into the future. And we now have confirmation that Orion is stable, upright. Orion splashdown at a mission elapse time of 4:24.
[Pereira: A 4:] 24 flight. Supposed to land splashdown west of Baja, California, Alina. We know this was a test flight. They're looking at testing some of the modules and equipment on board. Testing out the heat shield, correct?
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Yeah, this is really all about testing Orion, seeing what how it handles getting out of the earth's atmosphere and returning into the earth's atmosphere. Early on NASA was giving every indication that this has been a successful flight. They were able to test successfully the launch board system, which is a special part of Orion that would basically, at some point, when we get humans on board, would be able to take the astronauts away from the rockets if there's any sort of problem during a launch, after liftoff. They also tested Orion as it was going through Van Allen Belt, which are this area of extreme radiation that typically interferes with computers. Then as you mentioned that heat she would that is so critical. Think about it. When it's coming back into the earth's atmosphere, Orion is facing temperatures of about 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit. So this heat shield is essential in protecting the capsule and the people who could one day be inside. Fahrenheit. But every indication seems to be this has been a success, Michaela.
[Pereira:] It's been important because, again, they're going the goal of there flight, its first trip to space in this new Orion capsule, they were going to a peak altitude of about 5,800 kilometers. 15 times higher than the international space station is currently. You're looking there at a live look. They have helicopters that will be perusing the ocean. The Navy will be involved in this recovery operation. They'll keep an eye out to see where the splashdown occurs. They will then go and grab on to this. It's a recovery mission, essentially, on that water landing. They will find the capsule, they'll tow it, and it will be boarded on to a Navy transport ship. It will head to San Diego and we're told it will take a truck ride, essentially, back to Florida. But talking about the operation in outer space, this is sort of one of those far-reaching kind of ideas. They're testing it here because the goal is to eventually do this human flight, first crude flight perhaps to orbit the moon but then potentially maybe even hook up with an asteroid which I find so mind-boggling.
[Machado:] When you really talk about the goals of Orion it's hard to wrap your head around these goals, right? I mean, think about landing on an asteroid or redirecting an asteroid to a lunar orbit. Things like that that it's really remarkable to even think that it would be possible but NASA says that is the goal here. The ultimate goal would be to take astronauts someday to mars. Think about that. So, yeah, it's definitely the next era for the space exploration program here at NASA. That's the emphasis here that the reason why this is just so significant is because this test flight, yeah, it was a test flight and, yeah, it was just about four hours of a flight. But it's significant because it's the first step toward that goal of going to an asteroid and going to Mars. And just in case you're wondering, the next step here, they're going to take all the data from this test flight, name tweaks necessary, there's going to be a second unmanned test flight of Orion some time in 2018. That flight, the big difference is going to be it's going to be on an SLS rocket which is a special rocket NASA is developing right now, and then ultimately they could have a crude mission some time in 2021 and they're thinking they're aiming for the mid-2030s in terms of a mission for Mars.
[Pereira:] I was just doing my math quickly. I think I'll be too old to go but maybe Alina you might volunteer. That sounds like quite an interesting assignment. Alina Machado, thank you so much. Again, Orion set to splash down in the Pacific about 600 miles off the coast of Baja. We're waiting for that moment. Quite an adventure and quite a mission. Ahead, we're going to look at this. They left their home countries to fight for ISIS. Some of them now, many, we're told, are regretting their decision. Apparently life with ISIS isn't quite what they thought it would be.

[Lake:] The English Premier League side Arsenal are changing their kit maker for the first time in two decades. The London team have ditched Nike to sign a $50 million a year deal with the German sports brand Puma. A spokesman for the company said the deal was the biggest it had ever brokered. Puma will become the official kit supplier from July the 1st. Our resident Arsenal fan Jim Boulden has more.
[Arsene Wenger, Manager, Arsenal:] This is a big moment for our club.
[Jim Boulden, Cnn International Correspondent:] While Arsenal fans may have wanted to hear manager Arsene Wenger announce a new signing or that he was renewing his own contract, the big moment was, in fact, more at the business end of sport. Arsenal is ditching Nike for Puma.
[Ivan Gazidis, Ceo, Arsenal Football Club:] We've had a really productive an excellent partnership with Nike over the years, and it would be wrong of me not to acknowledge the part that they've played as the club has progressed.
[Boulden:] But the Nike ticks will be moved from the shirts and from around the Emirates Stadium by July when Puma becomes the North London team's official kit sponsor.
[Bjoern Gulden, Ceo, Puma:] Deals like this have three values. One is the commercial value of it, how much can we sell of Arsenal and Puma stuff.
[Boulden:] Yes.
[Gulden:] Then it has a marketing how can we develop Arsenal and Puma as a brand across the globe for distribution rights. And then it's the image thing.
[Boudlen:] Neither side will say how much the deal is worth and, unusually, how long the deal will last. Nike was Arsenal's kit sponsor for 20 years. Arsenal wanted a partner now that is not tied up with Europe's other major clubs, and not one so small that it would struggle to expand Arsenal's presence in Asia and the Americas.
[Gazidis:] Puma really give us the scale, but also the ability to focus on us very individually and to be able to think about how Arsenal wants to be represented around the world. So it was a very good mix and a very good fit for us.
[Boulden:] Puma says landing its first major English club is a big part of its strategy to push further into football against the top two, Nike and Adidas. Of course, whether it's a Nike tick or a Puma on the Arsenal shirt, the bottom line for the fans who sit here is how much of that money will be spent on new players come this summer. Jim Boulden, CNN, at the Emirates Stadium, London.
[Lake:] Well, you heard there from Puma CEO Bjoern Gulden at the Arsenal news conference. After the deal was signed, he sat down with Jim to explain why the deal is so important for Puma.
[Gulden:] If you come to our offices, you will see that we have a lot of passionate people that happen to be very, very big Arsenal friends. Enthusiasm on this project from the marketing people to the sign people to the distribution people has been enormous. And I think that's what he's referring to, that there has been extremely a lot of positive energy in this process.
[Boulden:] And it's not just about having the Puma on the shirt. It goes much deeper than that.
[Gulden:] Well, deals like this have three values. One is the commercial value of it, how much can we sell of Arsenal and Puma stuff.
[Boulden:] Yes.
[Gulden:] Then it has a marketing how can we develop Arsenal and Puma as a brand across the globe for distribution rights. And then it's the image thing. So all these things together makes it a very, very important deal for us.
[Boulden:] And you're trying to get to be even more football
[Gulden:] Yes.
[Boulden:] as for Puma, because you are firmly number three behind Nike and Adidas. You seem comfortable with that.
[Gulden:] Both Adidas and Nike have done a good job. They are much bigger than us. We are kind of the underdog, coming from a different side. We are making progress on product. I think we have gotten together a huge asset base that is starting to become very, very good. We signed Balotelli just a couple of weeks ago. So I feel very confident that we can improve and make sure that our retailers and our consumers will get a very good product and that will give us growth. And then what the other two are doing, I can't impact that anyway
[Boudlen:] No.
[Gulden:] so that's why we're optimistic.
[Boulden:] You did have to pull your sponsorship for the South African football team for match fixing allegations. So, there's always a risk there.
[Gulden:] Well, in other contracts, we have to behave and our partners have to behave in a way, and if that's not the case, then the partnership ends.
[Boulden:] And on a more positive side, you did just resign Usain Bolt for another six years, is it?
[Gulden:] Well, Usain stands for everything that Puma is. He's the fastest guy in the world, he's a fantastic ambassador that we will use even more. He will run at least until Rio and he will run in Puma. And then after that, we will see. I think we will work with Usain Bolt as long as we are alive and he is alive.
[Boulden:] Why does this make financial sense for you, if you are firmly number three? What is it for the bottom line?
[Gulden:] When you do a deal like this, you make a lot of analysis what it can bring to you, both from the commercial side, from an image side, and the marketing side. And the sum of all this makes this for us a good deal. In today's business, you can't do emotional deals, you have to do them when it makes sense for your business.
[Boulden:] Yes.
[Gulden:] And we, the people inside the company and the people on our board were convinced that this was the right thing to do, and that's why we did it.
[Lake:] Some of Kenya's top athletes are threatening to stop representing their nation because of a controversial new super tax. Kenya's revenue authority says income from sporting events overseas is now considered taxable. Long-distance runner Wesley Korir says that means athletes will have to pay tax twice. Korir says 30 to 35 percent is already taken by the country where the athlete competed, 15 percent goes to the agent, 10 percent goes to the manager. And Korir says athletes will now have to pay an extra 30 percent tax to the Kenyan government. That would leave between 10 and 15 percent of the winnings left for the athlete. Kenya's revenue authority says athletes who can prove they've paid tax abroad will not be charged twice. MP and former Boston Marathon winner Wesley Korir told CNN's Nima Elbagir the tax authority has not provided enough clarity.
[Wesley Korir, Kenyan Long Distance Runner And Mp:] If you go anywhere in the world, people know Kenya because of athletes. Because of the amazing athletes. The only time a Kenyan national anthem is sung out of this country is when an athlete wins a gold medal. So it's those are the things that we as athletes feel like we're not appreciated because the government does not pay you for that, the government does not pay you salary. It's your volunteer job. You volunteer to run. You wake up in the morning, you go running, and then you go out there to brand Kenya.
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, the Kenyan Revenue Authority says that what they are asking of you is what they would ask of any Kenyan citizen. They're saying that the tax that you are taxed on abroad will be exempted when it comes to being taxed in this country.
[Korir:] But one thing Kenyans need to know is, OK, you keep saying that what we're asking you is what any other Kenyan citizen. Now they compare us with teachers, they compare us with doctors, they compare us with all these. Do they get taxed outside? No. Do they get their salary outside of this country? No, they get it from this country. They get it from the taxpayers' money of this country. We don't get our salary does not come form this country.
[Elbagir:] You have no government funding?
[Korir:] We have no government funding. And that's another thing, too. That's another issue that athletes want to be heard from. We have no zero government funding. The government does not even care how you live. They don't even care what you eat. They don't even care how you got there. They wait until you've gotten there, you've gotten there yourself, and when you get there, that's when now the government now wants your money.
[Elbagir:] So, you could see a situation where athletes were seeking other nationalities?
[Korir:] Oh, yes, definitely. We will see these athletes who have been training for this country, they're big athletes. It's not they don't have an option to go anywhere. They have a lot of options, but they have chosen to stay in this country because they love their country. But now, if their country doesn't love them, they don't have an option, but they will seek for greener pastures somewhere else.
[Lake:] Google is shelling out big bucks to acquire an artificial intelligence firm. A look at what Google could do with this technology coming up later on QMB.

[Cuomo:] So many of us are worried about controlling and contracting Ebola, fears fueled by horror stories of what it's like. Well, now, Ebola survivor Amber Vinson is telling us the reality. The Dallas nurse reveals the agony of the illness and something else that hurt, being questioned when she flew on a commercial jet after treating a Liberian man with Ebola. Vinson sat down with Don Lemon and had quite a conversation. Take a look and a listen.
[Amber Vinson, Former Ebola Patient:] I'm a nurse. I care. I care for me. I would not put myself in danger first, I would not take Ebola to my family and my best girlfriends. I would not endanger families across the nation potentially exposing them to anything. I had no symptoms. There was no way at that time I could not transmit it. So the science of it, no symptoms, you can't transmit it, so getting on that plane was just like whoever sat next to me getting on the plane. They had no symptoms either, you know? So I would not, it's never my goal or intention to bring harm to anyone.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] That really affected you?
[Vinson:] Yes.
[Lemon:] Why?
[Vinson:] Because it's not me. All I do is care. All I want do is help. I would never try to hurt anyone.
[Lemon:] That hurt, it hurts when people say that?
[Vinson:] Yes, because it is so not me. So far beyond what, who I am, I'm always caring. I'm always, you know, I put others before myself always.
[Camerota:] Don Lemon joins us now to talk more. Hi, Don.
[Lemon:] Good morning. How are you guys?
[Camerota:] Doing well. Tell us what your thoughts were?
[Lemon:] It hits really right here, actually right here for her, right, because the first thing I said was, you survived Ebola, right? How does that feel? And she talked about that. But what she really talked about how she feels the CDC handled it, the public, and the media, that it really hurt her, because she put her life on the line every day as a health care worker and she said, you know, I thought about it. But that's what I signed up for. You know, I thought about it when he came in, and they told us about what he had and what he contracted. That's what I signed up for, and so I went and I get the call of duty and all of a sudden I'm getting blamed.
[Cuomo:] Do you think she has a point though? Because the indecision by the CDC, the mix message
[Lemon:] I think she does.
[Cuomo:] wound up making a target out of somebody who was doing the best thing possible.
[Lemon:] Not only a target, but she also talked about what the other nurses talked about, about the protocol, about being protected, about she said she never had a gap like the other nurses talked about, but she did see the other nurses. She says I'm a hippie girl. I said 1960s? She said no, I have some hips. She wore a bigger suit so she could be comfortable in her suit. We talked about. She said so I was covered.
[Camerota:] How did she get it?
[Lemon:] She doesn't know how she got it. That's the thing. I talked to her about how it felt as well and she talked a little bit about how she got it, let's look at what it was like to have Ebola. What does it feel like?
[Vinson:] It takes so much out of you. It really does. It is very draining, and even now, walking a short distance, I get short of breath, but when I was going through my very rough couple of days, who was you got to force yourself to get up and forcing yourself takes a lot out of you, too. It's a struggle. You're fighting for your life.
[Lemon:] Did you ever think that you could lose your life, that you might not make it?
[Vinson:] I have such great faith and I was reading my Bible, reading Scriptures, and I didn't feel like it was my time yet.
[Lemon:] Wasn't her time. We talk about how she thinks she got it. Again she doesn't know for sure. She has maybe a little bit of an idea. But the interesting thing to me is, this whole Ebola stigma quite honestly and I told her that during the interview, we called around to a number of different places.
[Cuomo:] To do the interview?
[Lemon:] To do the interview and they said
[Camerota:] Oh my gosh!
[Lemon:] They said no. So, I was on the radio yesterday and people were asking me, you went to West Africa to trace your family roots, you had to take all the medication. How are you protecting yourself when you go to the interview? I said what do you mean? She doesn't have Ebola anymore, she can't spread Ebola.
[Pereira:] She doesn't have symptoms.
[Lemon:] And we went out to a couple places before we did the interview, I wanted the family to be comfortable and they were nice to us and when we called back to say we would like to do the interview there
[Pereira:] No, thanks.
[Lemon:] No thank you.
[Camerota:] That's really telling. All right, Don, thanks so much.
[Lemon:] Tonight at 10:00.
[Camerota:] Yes, great.
[Cuomo:] Information is power, and as don just said, please, tune in tonight. Everybody wants to hear Amber Vinson's story, 10:00 Eastern Time, you get the full prime time exclusive interview with Amber Vinson, one great reason to watch tonight, the other one is we'll be on.
[Camerota:] Oh, yes, that's right.
[Cuomo:] You're not going to be there.
[Lemon:] No.
[Camerota:] Thanks, Don. Wait until you see this story, a Philadelphia nurse whose violent abduction was caught on camera, she has been found alive, we're happy to report this morning. Her suspected captor now behind bars and we're live on the ground with how this all happened.
[Cuomo:] And you know him sharp humor, unique brand of comedy, John Cleese will talk about his new book and we'll ask him about the Jon Stewart voting, how does he see it? The knights of nee!

[Dana Bash:] First this hour, fire consumes an apartment building in Minneapolis, raging for hours and forcing some terrified residents to escape through windows on the third floor. At least 13 were hospitalized, six in critical condition. The cause of the blaze is a mystery. CNN's Ted Rowlands is following this developing story for us Ted.
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Dana, this fire was so hot, fire officials were able to get into the building only for a few minutes, then they had to retreat. And at this hour, there are still people missing.
[Rowlands:] The report of a fire and possible explosion came in at 8:16 a.m.. Within minutes, this three story building in Minneapolis was engulfed in flames. The first floor is a grocery store. Above are 10 apartments.
[Chief John Fruetel, Minneapolis Fire Department:] Crews initially arrived on scene and they reported flames shooting as far as 20 feet out of the windows on the second and third floor.
[Rowlands:] Officials don't know whether people jumped out, fell or were pushed out by the explosion. Some were helped out by firefighters who then quickly had to retreat.
[Fruetel:] They did the best they could making entry onto the first floor. They got in as far as they could, until the conditions were so poor and it became very, very unsafe and we removed all the firefighters from the structure.
[Rowlands:] Frigid weather made the difficult job of fighting the fire even harder. Temperatures, with the wind chill, were near 20 degrees below zero. The building is in a predominantly Somali neighborhood. Next door to the grocery store is a mosque, which prompted concerns of the possibility of a hate crime from the local Islamic Society. At this point, there is no evidence of foul play.
[Abdi Warsame, Minneapolis City Council Member:] This whole area is very significant to the community. But our area has the mosque. It has Palmer's Bar, as well as the grocery store. But what we're worried about right now is are the victims.
[Rowlands:] And, Dana, the fire chief had an update about an hour ago. Still no cause. They also say it's still too dangerous for them to go into the building to try to find those unidentified people who, according to family members on the scene, they say there are three people that are still missing. This is according to community members there, telling our local affiliates, three people missing. But fire officials say they can't get in there, at least right now, it's still too dangerous.
[Bash:] What a horrible way to start the new year. Ted, thank you very much for that report. And now to New York, where a Democrat is running the city for the first time in 20 years. Mayor Bill de Blasio was formally sworn in today by former president, Bill Clinton. And the new mayor unapologetic about his progressive agenda, signaling change in New York politics, changes that could affect the entire country. CNN national correspondent, Susan Candiotti, joins us live from New York hi, Susan.
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Dana. Happy New Year!
[Bash:] You, too.
[Candiotti:] You know, as New York City goes, so goes the country? Maybe, maybe not. But a lot of liberals and progressive Democrats will be watching very closely, because if de Blasio's social reform policies work, it might help their party on a national level. New York's populist new mayor, Bill de Blasio, and his family, got to his inauguration ceremony the way millions of New Yorkers get to work every day on the subway. Before emerging, even running into his predecessor, former Mayor Michael Bloomberg. In his speech, signaling a reversal of policies that saw business boom under Bloomberg, some say at the expense of the poor and working class. [Begin Video Clip, Courtesy Nyc Tv]
[Mayor Bill De Blasio , Ny:] When I said I would take dead aim at the tale of two cities, I meant it.
[Candiotti:] Citing liberal leaders of the past century, de Blasio promising to even the economic playing field, including taxing those who make more than a half million dollars a year to pay for universal pre-K and after school programs, telling the wealthy, don't worry.
[De Blasio:] See their taxes increase by an average of $973 a year. That's less than three bucks a day, about the cost of a small soy latte at your local Starbucks. We do not ask more of the wealthy to punish success, we do it to create more success stories.
[Candiotti:] With Bloomberg at times looking grim, in apparent disagreement, other speakers attacked his administration. Also invited on stage, a little girl named Dasani, who has become the face of one of more than 22,000 homeless children, a record in New York since the Great Depression. [Begin Video Clip, Courtesy Nyc Tv]
[Letitia James, New York City Public Advocate:] We live in a gilded age of inequality, with decrepit homeless shelters and housing developments stand in neglected shadow of gleaming, multi-million dollar condos.
[Candiotti:] Some light moments a son of the new comptroller fidgeting while daddy was being sworn in; New York's governor greeting activist actress, Susan Sarandon; and former president Bill Clinton embracing de Blasio's popular interracial family, a real-life modern family, as he called it. And his plan to change the city's economic landscape.
[Bill Clinton, Former President Of The United States:] That we have to have a city of shared opportunities, shared prosperity, shared responsibilities.
[Candiotti:] And with that, a synchronized kiss to the crowd from the city's first Democratic mayor in 20 years. A family who will live in Gracie Mansion, the city's first family to live there since the days of Rudy Giuliani Dana.
[Bash:] A lot of changes. Thank you very much, Susan. And let's bring in veteran New York reporter Hunter Walker. He is the national affairs reporter for "Talking Points Memo." And also with us is senior political analyst CNN senior political analyst, Ron Brownstein, who is also the editorial director of the "National Journal." And I want to start with you, Hunter Walker in New York. Obviously, this is a very, very different kind of leader that we are seeing, to put it mildly, in Bill de Blasio. I want to play one other clip that was not in Susan's piece to give people a sense of just how different he is going to make things in New York City. [Begin Video Clip, Courtesy Nyc Tv]
[De Blasio:] We will reform a broken stop and frisk policy, both to protect dignity and rights of young men of color, and to give our brave police officers the partnership they need to continue their success in driving down crime.
[Bash:] So the stopping the frisk policy, taxing the really blatantly saying that he wants to tax the wealthy to give to the poor, I mean this is unabashed liberal policy that he is putting forward. How do you think that is going to go over, now that he's actually the mayor?
[Hunter Walker, National Affairs Reporter, "talking Points Memo":] Right. Well, you know, I went through his speech. And he used the word "progressive" six times in the copy there. And he was sworn in on a bible that was once owned by FDR. So there's really no question that he's very much trying to brand himself as a new kind of progressive leader. And I think the implementation of this bar that he's set for himself is the big question here. For example, his police commissioner actually formerly worked for Rudy Giuliani. And there's a distinction on his stop and frisk policy, which is, he doesn't want to end the practice completely, he wants to reform it. And I think some people might be dismayed when they realize it's not going to completely end. And as far as his tax plan, the goal of that is to have universal pre-K. But one hitch here is it requires approval from Albany. And Andrew Cuomo has said he does not want to raise taxes. It's an election year for him next year. So it may be tough to get that approval.
[Bash:] And on that point, Ron...
[Ron Brownstein, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] Yes?
[Bash:] liberals all over the country are looking to Bill de Blasio as sort of their hero now, the man who is in the position to make their policies and their ideals become realities.
[Brownstein:] Right.
[Bash:] It's not going to be that easy...
[Brownstein:] Right. No.
[Bash:] for the reasons that Hunter just talked about.
[Brownstein:] I grew up in New York and I've watched a lot of mayors.
[Bash:] Yes.
[Brownstein:] And it is a great platform, as Bill de Blasio is showing, as Michael Bloomberg showed, on issues like greenhouse gases and gun control and obesity. But it is also a nuts and bolts job. And as Hunter was saying, you ultimately have to deliver. I find it kind of wonderfully ironic that there may be a snowstorm tomorrow in New York...
[Bash:] Yes.
[Brownstein:] because I'm old enough to remember John Lindsey, who was a great liberal hope as a liberal Republican, who was kind of flattened and never recovered from his inability to clear the streets.
[Bash:] And not that long ago...
[Brownstein:] On this...
[Bash:] Michael Bloomberg
[Brownstein:] And so right. So it's you know, there is and there are real constraints here, not only Albany, but he's got a whole range of union contracts that he has to negotiate. He has fiscal realities. But it is still a big platform. And I think the focus on pre-K in particular is worth noting, because I you get the sense that is the next big crusade for the Democratic Party. And Hillary Clinton, what is the one domestic issue she's working on during this period? Her zero to five project, which is about early childhood.
[Bash:] I...
[Brownstein:] And he may be he may be kind of leading the way here
[Bash:] I'm glad you brought up the Clinton word, because Bill Clinton took the stage today, of course. He was part of the swearing- in ceremony. And he also gave a little bit of a speech. He can't help himself, he's Bill Clinton. Listen to what he said. [Begin Video Clip, Courtesy Nyc Tv]
[Clinton:] I strongly endorse Bill de Blasio's core campaign commitment that we have to have a city of shared opportunities, shared prosperity, shared responsibilities. We are interdependent.
[Bash:] Hello?
[Walker:] Yes.
[Bash:] Ron Brownstein, this is the man you covered.
[Brownstein:] Yes. Right.
[Bash:] You know so well.
[Brownstein:] Right.
[Bash:] The conservative DLC Democrat, who, you know...
[Brownstein:] Right.
[Bash:] enraged liberals by bringing conservative Democrats in, by triangulating. Now he's endorsing progressive ideas?
[Brownstein:] Well, I mean he...
[Bash:] Hmmm, Hillary, 2016?
[Brownstein:] No, no. He well, he was always a complex figure in this way.
[Bash:] That's true.
[Brownstein:] I mean he did raise taxes on the top in 1993 without a single Republican vote in his initial budget. And his mantra throughout was opportunity, responsibility and community. And that was kind of the way he brought to you that was, he argued, was the essence of the new Democratic ideas. But there's no question that the tone of the de Blasio campaign, the kind of the overt kind of populism was something that Clinton shied away from. And, in fact, you know, the biggest argument one of the biggest arguments against Hillary Clinton in 2016 might be from the left and the argument that she is not conducive enough or receptive enough to that kind of line of argument. And it's what fueled the talk about Elizabeth Warren in 2016.
[Bash:] Absolutely. And, Hunter, how much do you think you understand this relationship, that this is not new? The reason Bill Clinton was there is because Bill de Blasio was such a part of Hillary Clinton's campaigns going back to her days running for Senate. How much do you think that will factor in, this relationship, on a national stage?
[Walker:] Well, you know, as you pointed out, Bill de Blasio was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in 2000. He also worked in President Clinton's Department of Housing and Urban Development. So this is a long-standing relationship. They campaigned for him. They hosted a fundraiser. But, you know, I think going forward, as Ron was sort of pointing out, Bill de Blasio could be a big asset for Hillary if she's flanked on the left by a Brian Schweitzer or an Elizabeth Warren type. And so if his first term gets off to a successful start, she may be calling on him as much as he called on them in his campaign.
[Bash:] Absolutely. Hunter, thank you very much.
[Walker:] Happy New Year.
[Bash:] Thank you. Happy New Year.
[Brownstein:] Happy New Year.
[Bash:] Happy New Year. We'll be looking to New York a lot in the next year, for sure. And up next, while the president is on vacation, ObamaCare hits a new rough patch. We have White House reaction to an emergency Supreme Court ruling. And a popular TV sitcom star has died. The actor who played Uncle Phil on "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air." I'll talk to one of his co-stars who played the family butler. [Begin Video Clip From "the Fresh Prince Of Bel-air," Courtesy Youtube/warner Brothers]
[Unidentified Male:] Madam, I went to boarding school.

[Camerota:] Tensions are boiling over in Mexico after word that dozens of missing students are believed to be dead. The attorney general says their bodies were burned and some tossed in the river. A powerful political couple was allegedly behind these abductions and the murders. Now families are demanding answers, and they are rioting in the streets. Let's get to CNN's Rosa Flores. She is live for us in Mexico. Rosa, this is one of the most sickening, disgusting stories.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] Alisyn, good morning. Things are getting uglier by the day here in southern Mexico. We drove up to the latest protests only to find charred vehicles in front of a government building. And we actually asked the organizer about it, and he said, "Yes, that was us, and we don't plan to stop until the students come home."
[Flores:] Tensions erupt in Mexico's southern state of Guerrero. [on camera]: Take a look around. You can see charred vehicles. [voice-over]: And in Mexico's capital. As the parents of 43 missing college students lose patience with authorities. It's been more than a month, and no trace of their children; not even after the arrest of more than 70 people, including a political power couple that Mexico's attorney general says is the possible mastermind of the kidnapping. This is cell-phone video showing the mayor of Iguala and his wife being arrested. Authorities say the cartel-connected pair colluded with the police chief and drug traffickers to kidnap, kill and dispose of the missing students. Neither the mayor nor his wife has commented. Even before the couple was taken in, protesters were determined to take them down, burning their seat of power. [on camera]: This is the perfect example. It's Iguala city hall. But take a look. It's a charred building, a shell of what it was. Protesters actually came in and wrote on the walls "Vivos los queremos," "alive we want them back." [voice-over]: Fuelling anger in the community, taped confessions by three recently arrested cartel members, saying they burned the bodies in a public dump and tossed the remains into a river. Edmundo Delgado, a community activist, says too many people disappear in Mexico and are never found. [on camera]: He says if today there's 43 students who have gone missing and we don't find them, 10, 15 years from now, what can we expect? [voice-over]: The parents of the missing students say they've lost patience. He says that this group has one message. That their response will get more and more radical. Mexico's president condemns the violence, but the parents say they don't plan to stop Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Rosa, when do we know definitively if these 43 students were actually killed?
[Flores:] You know, that's a very tricky question, because right now, parents don't know; authorities don't know. And one of the very interesting things about this particular case is that these parents have heard three times from federal authorities that someone has confessed, that remains have been found and that these remains probably belong to their children. And so at this point, they don't trust the government. As a matter of fact, they don't trust the government so much that even though the local M.E.'s office is involved, they had M.E.s from Argentina come in to Mexico to pretty much sample the remains. And then they plan to send those samples to Austria so that they can I.D. the bodies. So the answer is at this point no one knows Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Of course. I mean, how can they trust their public officials when the mayor and corrupt police officers might have been involved in all this? Rosa Flores, we will check back in with you for updates throughout the show this morning. Thank you very much.
[Cuomo:] All those countries mentioned, you didn't hear the United States. We'll stay on this story and see what's going on in terms of cooperative effort to get these kids and find out what happened to them. We're also going to go from those who were taken to those who are now back home. What would home mean for you? After being detained in a place like North Korea for months like Matthew Miller and Jeffrey Fowle and even years in the case of Kenneth Bae. What's it like to transition back home? First come the hugs, the tears and the pizza, as you were just saying. But what happens when the celebrations end? You're going to hear it straight from this man, former hostage Jeffrey Fowle. Stay with us.

[Unidentified Male:] See you next time. Great job by our jury. Said that to Ryan.
[Natasha Curry:] Tonight on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," today`s top three "SHOWBIZ Shockers," including secrets from the Weiner scandal exposed.
[Unidentified Female:] How many conversations did you have with women after you resigned that were sexual in nature?
[Anthony Weiner, New York City Mayoral Candidate:] I don`t believe I had any more than three.
[Curry:] Hmm. The brand-new bombshell revelation that New York mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner sexted with three women after he resigned from Congress. Plus, an eye-opening SHOWBIZ special report, "Chasing Kate." Could the royal baby frenzy be putting Duchess Catherine in serious danger, just like Princess Di? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now. What`s up? How are you doing? I`m Natasha Curry in for A.J. Hammer. And tonight in the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," we`re counting down today`s top three shockers, and we`re kicking it off, the countdown, with No. 3: Weiner exposed. Because today, Anthony Weiner exposed himself even more with a brand-new shocking confession. He didn`t just do some sexting with one woman after leaving Congress in disgrace; we`re talking three. And what did he say today about how many women got the Weiner treatment online through the years? Watch this.
[Weiner:] It`s not dozens and dozens; it is six to ten, I suppose, but I can`t tell you absolutely what someone else is going to consider inappropriate or not.
[Curry:] And if that`s not enough, the Web site that exposed Weiner exposing himself in a brand-new sexcapade is now revealing the real story of what happened. Attorney Tanya Acker with us in Hollywood tonight, and Jawn Murray is in Washington, D.C. He`s the editor of AlwaysAlist.com. Thanks, guys. So let`s begin with Weiner`s latest confession. Today he sexted about three women after resigning from Congress. So, I mean, the grand total could be ten. He keeps changing his story, Tanya, and you know, really, his story has more explosive twists than a Jerry Bruckheimer movie. Is anybody believing anything he`s saying anymore?
[Tanya Acker, Attorney:] Well, Natasha, I mean, you really hit the nail on the head with this. The problem isn`t just the sexting, right, you know, and how lewd or crass or inappropriate that may be or is, frankly, when you`re in a relationship with somebody. The problem is that this is the very same behavior that drove him out of Congress. And so, the notion that he doesn`t really have the judgment or the fortitude to stop doing this when it left him out of one of the highest offices in the land, it drove him out of his job the fact that he continues to do it really, I think, gives rise to some judgment issues, some credibility issues. So, no, I don`t know if the people will ever really believe him.
[Curry:] Yes, you`ve got to wonder what`s all running through his head right now as he`s continuing to run for mayor. And Weiner also said one more time today that he`s done with the sexting. We`ve heard that before. Jawn, think anyone believes him?
[Jawn Murray, Editor, Alwaysalist.com:] He`s a hard one to believe, Natasha, pun intended. Listen, this story is just it`s out of control, and it has bigger political ramifications. You know, all the political pundits are talking about how his wife, who says she`s going to stand by her man you know, this could affect Hillary Clinton`s potential run for the White House. People are saying that, if she aligns herself with his wife, who always stands by her man, even when he goes through Weinergate, it could affect her potential campaign, as well. So, this has a huge impact on the political scene, not just on his mayoral run in New York City, but on America as a whole.
[Curry:] Yes. And you know, today new information was also exposed about the woman who first spilled the beans that Weiner`s sexting days weren`t over. Her name, Sydney Leathers. She`s 23 and from Indiana. And the sexual messages and blurred photos that she and Weiner exchanged were first revealed by TheDirty.com. And the Web site`s founder just revealed on CNN`s "PIERS MORGAN LIVE" how she and Weiner started their online flirtation. Listen.
[Nik Richie, Founder, Thedirty.com:] Well, what happened was is she actually e-mailed Weiner in 2011, and it wasn`t a nice e-mail. She pretty much bashed him for the whole original sex scandal. And Weiner never responded. And he must have been feeling creepy one day in 2012 and looked at his Facebook e-mail and saw that she sent this scathing e-mail, and he poked her on Facebook. And she poked back.
[Curry:] Oh, my. So, now we`re hearing we`re all out of control. We`re now hearing the story in such graphic detail, Tanya. Does it make you wonder if Weiner is delusional to think a lot of people, especially the ones who want to make him mayor of New York, are going to say, "So what?"
[Acker:] Well, first it makes me wonder what great pun Jawn is going to come up with next, when we turn to him. But honestly, Natasha, I have no words. I mean, you know, we`re not just talking about somebody who likes to send naughty texts. It`s like he cannot help himself. He can`t just ignore somebody. She was berating him, and here he is, like, jumping on the bandwagon and trying to pull her into his sexcapades. I mean, it really is it`s really I really feel like there`s something going on in his head that is beyond, perhaps, the typical cheater, you know, beyond the just normal naughty guy, which isn`t necessarily normal. Yes, I can`t really I just can`t quite figure him out, frankly.
[Curry:] And there was another brand-new Weiner bombshell exposed today about his marriage. Look.
[Huma Abedin, Weiner`s Wife:] I love him. I have forgiven him. I believe in him. And as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward.
[Curry:] Now, we all saw Weiner`s wife, Huma Abedin, defending him at his big press conference the other day, but today, CNN reported that, when she learned that he was sexting again, she came really close to leaving him, and the only reason she didn`t was because she wanted their baby to have his daddy around. Jawn, with these new revelations today, are you taking bets on how long it`s going to be before she finally bolts out the door?
[Murray:] Yes, someone`s going to call her up and explain to her what shared custody is. Daddy can still be around, and you`ll keep him around on an agreement. And this is what I think Weiner should do. Forget politics. No one will ever trust you; no one will ever take you seriously. It`s hard enough even with just his last name. He makes these puns really easy. But listen, take a cue from Kim Kardashian. Call over to Steve Hirsch at Vivid Entertainment. The celebrity sex tape business is big; it`s huge. He likes to show his wiener to the world, he should get paid for doing it.
[Curry:] All right, and that takes us to our No. 2 of our "SHOWBIZ Countdown" of today`s top shockers: two very controversial, outspoken music stars taking on the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial. Rapper Jay Z and rocker Ted Nugent had everyone talking today about their explosive reactions to Zimmerman`s acquittal on charges that he murdered Trayvon Martin. First, Jay Z telling Rap Radar that he was extremely upset and had some graphic words about Zimmerman.
[Jay Z, Rapper:] I was really angry about it that, you know, the thing that we all knew it was still a bit of racism in America. But like, you know, for it to be so blatant was, like, if you just asked the question, ask yourself the question, didn`t Trayvon have a right to stand his ground? A professional law enforcement officer, and I`m taught not to profile. This guy`s a novice. This guy is a
[Curry:] And you`ve got to wonder what his conversations were like with his wife, Beyonce. Then Ted Nugent, though, has the exact opposite opinion, slamming critics of the verdict. When speaking with Massachusetts radio station WXBR, he had some really disturbing things to say about Trayvon Martin. Listen.
[Ted Nugent, Musician:] How cheap do you have to be to focus on a clear-cut case where all the evidence from the DOJ, from the FBI, from the entire army of investigative specialists in Florida determined that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense against a life-threatening attack by hoodlum, dope-smoking Trayvon Martin?
[Curry:] Wow, Tanya. If there ever was a clear example of the great divide that exists over the Zimmerman verdict, Jay Z and Ted Nugent, I mean, they`re it.
[Acker:] Well, Natasha, you know, I`ve got to say, I mean, Ted Nugent, here`s a guy who once reportedly said that he used crystal meth and defecated on himself to avoid serving his country. So, I`m not really sure that he`s he did later deny that, but I will say I`m not sure that he denied it later. I don`t know that he`s the most credible voice in the American political conversation, frankly. So, I don`t have a lot of I don`t have a lot of words with respect to his comments. But I do think that Jay Z pointed out made a really good point. Because, while the trial itself may have been around this more legal technical issue of who hit whom first, I think that what Jay Z pointed out is what a lot of people are concerned about, is what gave rise to this initial interaction between these two in the first place? Why did Zimmerman assume that Trayvon was one of the, as we put it, a-holes who always got away? I think that that`s what is disturbing to people, and that`s really you know, and that`s bigger than the trial. That`s what`s not that`s what`s not going away, frankly.
[Curry:] You make a very interesting point there. And you know, it looks like some potentially racially explosive behavior is coming back to haunt a celebrity who`s had a dramatic fall from grace, and that, you guys, is our No. 1 on our "SHOWBIZ Countdown." The big reveal for that in a moment. Tanya, Jawn, stay where you are. From "SHOWBIZ Shockers" to a must-see SHOWBIZ special report, "Chasing Kate." Reporters, photographers, fans, they`re all chasing the young royals, desperate to grab the perfect shot of the new family, but could the fierce pursuit turn seriously dangerous, just like it did for Princess Diana? Plus, did Bruce Willis just give the worst interview of his entire life?
[Bruce Willis, Actor:] We`re just selling the film now. Sales. That`s kind of on par with making the movie.
[Curry:] The brand-new interview that a lot of people are saying makes Bruce look like a total jerk. I`m one on one with Jamie Edwards, the guy who actually sat down with the acting legend. So, what the heck does he think was going on with Bruce? This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.

[David Cameron, British Prime Minister:] The people of U.K. have spoken.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news, the United Kingdom still stands. Scots reject independence. Why? And what now after the bitter campaign to break away? We have what comes next.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] War path. The Senate approves the first phase of the battle against ISIS, arming and training Syrian rebels to fight against them as the terror group releases another hostage video. We're live with the latest.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Air scare. Look at this video. A JetBlue cabin filling with smoke. Passengers forced to put on oxygen masks as the plane makes an emergency landing. We're going to hear from those on board.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Cuomo:] Good morning. Welcome to the TGIF edition of NEW DAY, September 19, check, 6:00 just about. Check. Scotland wins independence? No check. A historic vote could have broken up America's closest ally, but in the end, the United Kingdom remains united. Scotland rejecting independence in a dramatic referendum, hence the tears from that young man. The race, too close to call in the days leading up to the vote. A lot of bad blood certain to remain. So we begin with chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, who has the latest on the historic decision from Glasgow, Scotland. And let's be honest, Christine [sic], in some ways, for all the drama, the vote, Christiane, may have been the easy part. How does this country now really unite in the aftermath?
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] Well, Chris, you're absolutely right. It's been determined as a political earthquake. And not because they voted for independence, but because they did not. And that's because of all the promises that the prime minister has made, David Cameron, to keep the Scottish people inside the United Kingdom. The whole of this country is now going to change. He made it very clear in his speech shortly after the vote was final. Remember, it was 55 percent voted to stay inside the United Kingdom, 45 percent voted for independence. Cameron said he was delighted. Alex Salmond, of the Scottish Nationalist Party, conceded defeat but said, "This is now over for a generation." But lots and lots and lots of change coming to America's strongest and most trustworthy ally. Because this whole political situation is going to change, with power deinvolved not just to Scotland, but to Wales and really probably functionally to Northern Ireland, and even around England itself. Nobody quite knows what's next. Chris?
[Cuomo:] Christiane, thank you very much. And obviously something we have to follow going forward because the strength of that united country very important to the U.S. in so many different levels and obviously important to itself. Christiane Amanpour, thank you very much for being with us this morning. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Let's turn to the fight against ISIS. The president's plan to degrade and destroy the terror group is moving forward now that the Senate has approved a measure to train and arm Syrian rebels to fight back against the terror organization. The House signed off on the measure just a day earlier. But support among lawmakers for the ISIS campaign remains shaky. Let's bring in senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, for more on this. What are we hearing from the White House this morning? They got what they wanted. They got that vote.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] That's right. Despite some nose-holding up on Capitol Hill, Kate, that's right. President Obama's plan to defeat ISIS has cleared a major hurdle. Congress has bought into the president's strategy, at least the part they could vote on.
[Unidentified Male:] The joint resolution is passed.
[Acosta:] Just before speeding out of Washington for the mid-term elections, Congress gave President Obama the green light to arm and train Syrian rebels in the war on
[Isis. Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The strong bipartisan support in Congress for this new training effort shows the world that Americans are united in confronting the threat from
[Isil. Acosta:] The Senate approved the measure attached to a must-pass spending bill by an overwhelming margin. But potential GOP presidential contenders were divided, with Senator Marco Rubio voting yes and Ted Cruz and Rand Paul saying no. Noting that Congress declined to authorize the president's overall strategy, Paul dubbed Mr. Obama's battle plan "one man's war".
[Sen. Rand Paul , Kentucky:] He was running against the wars of the previous administration. And people voted for him for that very reason and he became part of the problem.
[Acosta:] Despite the endorsement from Congress for at least part of the president's strategy, lawmakers were voicing doubts to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.
[Unidentified Female:] If this plan doesn't work, what is the alternative? What does it look like in the Middle East then?
[Chuck Hagel, Secretary Of Defense:] Well we always have plan Bs and Cs; that's what the military does as well as anybody in the world. But we believe this plan will work.
[Acosta:] The Obama administration is pointing to the stepped-up air campaign against ISIS that U.S. military officials say took out a terrorist training camp in some of the latest strikes.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] I can tell you that I don't think these guys are ten feet tall, and the intelligence tells us as we've begun to hit them, we've been able to prove that to some degree.
[Acosta:] President Obama welcomed France's decision to join the coalition in conducting air strikes on ISIS, a sign that battle against the terrorist group is just heating up.
[Obama:] As Americans, we do not give in to fear. And when you harm our citizens, when you threaten the United States, when you threaten our allies, it doesn't divide us, it unites us.
[Acosta:] And the French government has confirmed in just the last several minutes that its war planes are now conducting air strikes alongside the U.S. As for the president, he'll be pushing to expand that coalition when he makes the rounds at the United Nations next week in New York. This weekend, he heads to Camp David where he's likely to receive more updates from his national security team on the fight against ISIS. Kate.
[Bolduan:] Yes, much more to learn on what role those 40-plus countries are going to playing in this campaign. That's for sure. Jim, great to see you; thanks so much.
[Acosta:] You bet.
[Bolduan:] Chris?
[Cuomo:] You hit it on the head, Kate. I mean, that's what everybody's waiting for. That's why this feels so unusual even in the discussion going on in Congress. So let's get better sense of this. Let's bring in Paul Begala, CNN political commentator, Democratic strategist, senior adviser to Super- PAC Priorities USA, and Mr. Doug Heye, one-time deputy chief of staff to former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and former communications director for the RNC. Gentlemen, thank you for joining us on
[New Day. Doug Heye, Fmr. Deputy Chief Of Staff To Eric Cantor:] Thank you. Good morning.
[Paul Begala, Cnn Political Commetnator:] Thanks Chris.
[Cuomo:] Mr. Begala, this doesn't feel good, what's going on here. The Democrats aren't really running up behind the president the way they usually do. There's a lot of uncertainty, even more than we've seen in the past in our forays into the Middle East. What do you make of the situation?
[Begala:] I actually think it's a very healthy thing. But the president got a bipartisan majority. He got a majority of Republicans, a majority of senators, majority of the House and a majority of the Senate. He's even got the French. But and I was on the Hill yesterday, met with a bunch of congressmen and senators. You're right. But I think that's a good thing. I look, those of us who oppose the war in Iraq didn't like the way we all sort of marched into it without asking tough questions, or enough tough questions. So I like it; I think this is a big win for the president. At the same time, the American people you know, we're not schizophrenic as Angus King said on air a couple of weeks ago, the senator from Maine. What we are is Goldilocks. You know, we don't ground troops but we don't want to just sit back and let these animals attack Americans, so we're trying to find a middle ground and trying to find some allies. I think that news out of France is huge.
[Cuomo:] You know, Mr. Heye, correct me if I'm wrong, but Goldilocks went into a house she wasn't supposed to be in, ate everybody's food, wound up asleep in a bed, and almost got killed by three huge bears. Do you think that's the right metaphor to be using for this?
[Heye:] I don't know, maybe we could talk about a Jolly Green Giant. But, look, this was a win by the president, bipartisan majorities in the House and Senate. But we've talked so much over the past couple years about divides with the Republican Party and the Tea Party and the Republican Party moving right that we've kind of lost sight on a Democratic Party moving left. And this is what we saw over the past two days in the House and Senate. And the Elizabeth Warren kind of wing of the Democratic Party has a real divide on what the role of America should be. In moving forward, if I'm an Iowa Democratic caucus-goer and I'm a liberal progressive, this is an issue that's going to affect Hillary Clinton, if she's running for president. It's going to affect the Democratic Party over the next two years, just as it will the Republican Party, where there's a divide on this issue as well.
[Cuomo:] See, but I also think look, the analysis sounds spot on and obviously that's something that has to play out through the elections, but it's also dangerous on a level to even analyze this this way. And this is I'll bounce it back to you, Paul. This is about war, OK? Not about the spin game and who gets more seats in Congress. It may have that impact. Heye is right about that. However, the big problem here is that, fundamentally, the United States is entering into a situation where it seems, more and more, it is the only one that is willing to fight. What can come that's good in this situation for us down the road?
[Begala:] Well, I think that's right. First off, that's the tough question we should have been asking more back in 2003.
[Cuomo:] Wait until you hear the interview we did with Muasher, the guy that was the foreign the Foreign Minister for Jordan; now he's an analyst for us in the Middle East. He doesn't even flinch when he says that Jordan is not going to put boots on the ground. He doesn't even flinch. He says, you know, this is complicated for us. You are the guys who want to use military, talking about the U.S. I thought this was their fight, Paul? That's what the president says.
[Begala:] Well, I think that's exactly right. As I said, I think it's really good news that the French, who never did want to join with us in the last war in Iraq, are already in and have skin in the game. They are risking French lives right now to attack ISIS and that's an important thing from an important ally and a sometimes reluctant ally. But we've got to build it out. And the most important allies will be those Arab nations in the Middle East. We're not going the president is really clear about this the United States is not going to put boots on the ground because that's not the solution here. It's burden-sharing.
[Cuomo:] But then who does? Who's going to put the boots on the ground? Who's going to
[Heye:] I think ultimately we will. And that's the challenge we face as we're trying to build this coalition. I would agree with Paul; the news of the French joining us, which obviously just happened, is great news. We've got bipartisan praise of France here, which doesn't happen very often. But we have real splits between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party on this that isn't about politics. You know, if you watch Rand Paul and John McCain yesterday, that wasn't about politicking for votes; that's about what the foreign policy of the Republican Party and we see the same thing on the Democratic Party is going to be for the next generation. These are very serious things.
[Cuomo:] Now, let me ask you this, though, Doug. Here's one point of criticism, because the Republicans are driving so much of the state of play in Congress right now on not just because of numbers, but where we are politically. This vote or stay, you know, fix or stay, which we're trying to get going as a hashtag again like we did with the shutdown, the irony here is, the good news out of the vote yesterday is, they voted to fund the government for a few more months. So that's good that they didn't threaten to shut down the government.
[Heye:] That doesn't always happen, by the way.
[Cuomo:] Right. That's good news. Take good news where you find it. However why aren't they debating these issues and having an up or down vote, not just on arming whoever, the Free Syrian Army turns out to be down the road. But why not having a vote on really what we're doing here? Why are they allowed to skirt the issue?
[Heye:] I wouldn't disagree with you.
[Cuomo:] Rand Paul is strong saying this is one man's war right now, because you guys in Congress, especially on the Republican side, aren't doing the job of voting.
[Heye:] Well, I think on a lot of issues, we are doing the job of voting. Where we've had so many jobs bills, which obviously is not the topic you're talking about
[Cuomo:] No, I mean on this, on this.
[Heye:] But on this issue, I think we should debate this more, and we're going to continue to debate this more. This is going to be a long process.
[Cuomo:] No, it should start now.
[Heye:] The House stood behind the president. And I can tell you
[Cuomo:] It should have started now. This is easy, the funding of THE we know that although we're just funding a step right now, You know this isn't one step; this is the step. And why wasn't this a vote right now? Why wasn't it taken seriously? Is it because of midterms?
[Heye:] No, I think it's the first step and we're going to continue do debate this, not just in the lame duck session, but in the next session as well.
[Cuomo:] Paul Begala, is this the first step or was this the step? Once this begins, can you turn back?
[Begala:] No, I don't think can. And I think that's why this president has been so reluctant. You know, a lot of people say he was dithering. I'm the chairman of the dithering caucus. I want my president to think carefully before he does it. But he did get authorization that he needed from the Hill. The other thing he did this week, and I know e covered it, but Wednesday, the president went to Tampa to meet with General Lloyd Austin, the head of the Central Command. Now, when the president having worked in the White House, when the President of the United States gets on Air Force One and carries himself to Tampa, it is not to play beer pong with General Austin. You're going to see, I suspect, real what the military people call kinetic action, that is a really aggressive attack in that region, or the president wouldn't have gone down to CENTCOM to get briefed by his top commanders. This thing's about to get very real.
[Cuomo:] It's already very real. Paul Begala, thank you very much. Doug Heye, great to have you on NEW DAY. Goldilocks reference, weak. Beer pong, strong. But it certainly has started, guys. Have a very good weekend. A lot of news out there, let's get you over to Mick.
[Pereira:] So you're clear, no beer pong, right? That's off the table?
[Cuomo:] No, the beer pong, very strong.
[Pereira:] All right, let's look at your headlines, 11 minutes past the hour. We start with Ebola. The entire nation of Sierra Leone is in lockdown for the next three days. Six million people have been ordered to remain in their homes while door-to-door searches are conducted for victims who are hiding. This outbreak seems to be spiraling out of control in West Africa. There are over 2,600 deaths now reported. Police investigators in the town of Belle, Florida, are trying to figure out why a grandfather killed his daughter and six of his grandchildren before taking his own life. Those children ranged in age from three months to ten years old. Authorities say 51-year-old Don Spirit had a criminal record; he served time for shooting his son in a hunting accident back in 2001, and later for a firearms conviction. Suspected cop killer Eric Matthew Frein has been placed on the FBI's ten most wanted list. A massive manhunt is under way in Pennsylvania for Frein. Authorities believe he ambushed state troopers a week ago, killing one of them. The FBI is now offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to Frein's arrest. Police around the nation, meanwhile, attended the funeral for Corporal Brian Dickson in Scranton on Thursday. Police have released now a sketch of the man they want to speak to about a missing UVA student. A witness says Hannah Graham was approached by this man at an off-campus pedestrian mall. I was hoping we'd have the sketch there, sorry. But they say he is almost six feet tall, heavy set, with a close-shaved head and goatee. The video that they have is the last known evidence, here it is, of Graham's whereabouts. A man has come forward saying he was the one seen following Graham. He told police he wanted to help her, but he walked away after another man approached her. It is official, the Home Depot credit card breach is larger than Target's, much larger in fact. The home improvement giant confirming that hackers compromised a stunning 56 million credit cards in a five- month-long security breach. 40 million cards were hit in the Target breach. Home Depot's CEO issued an apology to customers for all the quote-unquote, "inconvenience and anxiety". The company says the malware has been eliminated from its payment systems.
[Bolduan:] Hard to wrap your mind around those numbers at this point.
[Pereira:] 56 million.
[Bolduan:] 56 million, 40 million, I mean, my gosh.
[Pereira:] And that it went on for five months, too.
[Cuomo:] The easy thing is to blame the company. I mean that', my instinct, I'm at Home Depot a lot.
[Pereira:] But we want to fix it, right?
[Cuomo:] And it could be any of them. I mean, that's what we're seeing is that there's just a fundamental vulnerability here.
[Bolduan:] Agreed, but I think they deserve a little blame.
[Cuomo:] All right.
[Bolduan:] OK?
[Cuomo:] I changed my mind, I've evolved.
[Pereira:] Have you? What?
[Bolduan:] Shocking.
[Cuomo:] That's crazy talk.
[Bolduan:] This morning, a new message from ISIS delivered in what amounts to really a propaganda video. It features a British hostage who's been held for almost two years. We're going to have the details on this next.
[Cuomo:] And boy, you'd never want to see this smoke filling the cabin on a JetBlue flight or any flight, for that matter. This was JetBlue passengers panicking, many convinced they were going to die. So what happened and how did they make it through? We'll tell you.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Now it's time for the "Pop Culture Lead." This is the time of the year when big budget blockbusters are supposed to dominate at the Box Office. So how in the world did a horror flick made for practically pennies end up trouncing the competition this weekend? "The Purge" starring Ethan Hawk took the top spot earning $36 million. That's double the earnings of the Vince Vaughn comedy "The Internship." and get this, "The Purge," only cost $3 million to make. For some movies, that would barely cover the peeled grapes and Evian. In contrast, Will Smith's sci-fi flop "After Earth" only earned $27 million in its opening weekend and it cost a whopping $100 million to make, not to mention all those future therapy bills for his son, Jaden, who was hoisted into it. You've heard the rumor for years, Marilyn Monroe's affairs with not one but two Kennedys. Now there are new details from the man who says he heard it all on tape. A Hollywood reporter got his hands on boxes of files from former Hollywood private eye Fred Otash. His daughter said she turned the files in an effort to set the record straight about her father's life. THE LEAD's Erin McPike is here with all the juicy details Erin.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, let's get right to the good stuff. There might have been a sex tape but before you get excited, it's just audio, not video. So everyone in the control room can get their minds out of the gutter, but the tapes have disappeared. So there are only notes of them, we will never hear them. But they didn't make this tape is because they were being bugged.
[Mcpike:] There are in intimate details of a reported relationship between a president, his brother and a Hollywood sex symbol. Eleven boxes of files Hollywood spyprivate eye Fred Otash sacked away in a storage unit in the San Fernando Valley were reviewed by "The Hollywood Reporter."
[Matt Belloni, Executive Editor, "the Hollywood Reporter":] This was someone who had wiretaps all over town, was listening to some of the biggest stars and some of these revelations will be published in magazines.
[Mcpike:] Matt Belloni is the executive editor for "The Hollywood Reporter."
[Belloni:] Otash claims that he had recordings of JFK having sex with Marilyn Monroe. He spoke about this as if it was a common knowledge thing.
[Mcpike:] Otash worked for members of the Hollywood elite to dig up on their enemies. A note he left behind before his death reviewed by "The Hollywood Reporter," Otash provides salacious details of the long rumored affairs between Marilyn Monroe and both President John F. Kennedy and his brother, Robert Kennedy. He claims he listened to Marilyn Monroe having sex with John F. Kennedy and in the hours before her death, Otash says Monroe had a blow out fight with Bobby Kennedy over their relationship. He claims Monroe complained she was being passed around like a piece of meat. Otash claimed he heard Bobby Kennedy trying to quiet Monroe down with a pillow so the neighbors wouldn't hear her shouting. But the audiotapes his notes are based have since disappeared.
[Belloni:] Some of these files that we reviewed contain elements that are not 100 percent verifiable. They are his recollections to his daughter. So what he said and what is actual truth is not necessarily the same.
[Mcpike:] Otash was part of the LAPD until 1955 after a falling out with the police chief so he became gum shoe to the stars. Otash disguised the surveillance van a TV repair truck. The real life gum shoe helped inspired the fictional detective Jack Nicholson portrayed in the film was classic "Chinatown."
[John Buntin, Author, "l.a. Noir":] He was someone who naturally moved in the gray zone between the police, the mob, the private investigators who made Hollywood in the 1950s such an interesting place.
[Mcpike:] Now, Otash's daughter said she released all that information to the "Hollywood Reporter" because she thought her father's reputation was being maligned.
[Tapper:] Interesting. A weird little underworld you've explored for us, Erin. Thank you very much. "The Wild Rumpus" may have begun with children's author, Maurice Sendak, but it did not end with his death. Today, Google paid tribute to the author and what would have been his 85th birthday with this elaborate Google Doodle. Maurice Sendak, the author of such children's classics as "Where the Wild Things Are" and "In the Night Kitchen Died Last Year." Among his most cherished lines is this little gem, "There Should Be A Place For Only The Things You Want To Happen Happened." We miss him. It's almost as random as the scene from the movie "Being John Malkovich" and perhaps this time it was a superhero exploring the portal into the actor's brain. Malkovich actually rescued a man in Toronto who was bleeding out on the sidewalk. The man said he slipped and slit his neck on a scaffolding pole. Malkovich who was in Toronto shooting a movie reportedly rushed to the man's side and helped to stop the bleeding. The actor disappeared by the time the ambulance showed up. Rumor has it he was last seen near a ditch on the side of the New Jersey turnpike. Make sure to follow me on Twitter @jaketapper and also @theleadcnn. Check out our show page at cnn.comthelead for video blogs and extras. That's it for THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. I leave you now in the very capable hands of one Mr. Wolf Blitzer. He's right next door in "
[The Situation Room." Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Jake, thanks very much. Happening now, shy and always on his computer, that is how one person describes the man behind one of the biggest leaks in the history of U.S. intelligence. Just ahead, we go live to Edward Snowden's hometown right here in the Washington, D.C. area where neighbors are now speaking out. Plus, hero or traitor, it's the debate that's now raging around the world. Our own Jeffrey Toobin has some very strong views on this. He's

[Romans:] British Prime Minister David Cameron making an 11th hour push for a no vote on Scottish independence. Cameron made an emotional plea, telling voters in Scotland that the United Kingdom is not just, quote, "any old country." He said millions would be heart broken if the country were broken up. Meantime, word that British banks have been moving billions of bank notes to Scotland. They have to make sure there's enough currency is there if there is a run on ATMs following a yes vote. CNN's Max Foster is live in Edinburgh with the very latest here. Max, when I talk to economists, they say it would be a national economic tragedy for Scotland to secede. But there is this nationalist passion that's keeping the polls pretty balanced.
[Max Foster, Cnn Correspondent:] It's true and you talk about the banks notes coming up, but also a major Scottish bank rolling back in Scotland, one of the biggest in the world, based in Scotland, has contingency plans to move to England if there is a yes vote, because they know it will hit their credit rating. If they are based in the country where no one knows where the control lies, because if it's a yes vote on Thursday, the foreign minister then has to go to negotiations with the Westminster government and talk about how to carve the country up, which is the third of the country's land mass. I mean, what part of the military do we control? What about the pounds? David Cameron being clear that Scotland won't be able to share the pounds. Alex Simon said we will have the pound. We can take the pound. But there would be a Central Bank in Scotland. So many complicated questions. It is making the markets nervous, indeed. But the Westminster government hasn't really helped things, that the treasury has not thought this through. I think actually until a month ago, they did not in the slightest sense there would be yes votes. They weren't prepared for this and this is being factored into the market. So, I think there is a great deal of concern if there is a yes vote. But as you say, this is a passion in Scotland, particularly among the yes campaign. They want to feel like they live in more of a nation where more decisions are made here in Edinburgh Christine.
[Romans:] It just fascinating. And people as young as 16 are able to vote. So, it is a really interesting development. I'm sure we will talk to you about it a lot over the next couple of days. Max Foster, thanks, Max.
[Berman:] I think the implications are huge. What do you say to the separatists in Spain? What do you say to the people in Ukraine right now? You say Scotland split up, why shouldn't we? All right. Happening right now: new U.S. air strikes dropping bombs near Baghdad for the first time as the United States enters a new phase in the battle against ISIS. We'll take you live to Iraq right after the break.

[Tapper:] We're following today's court action in the horrific kidnapping rape and murder case that came to light in Cleveland, Ohio. Defendant Ariel Castro did not say a word. His attorneys entered not guilty pleas on his behalf to a staggering 329 counts, including some that carry the death penalty. CNN's Pamela Brown is in Cleveland Pamela.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Jake, Ariel Castro walked into court making his second appearance before a judge. He walked in, devoid of emotion, with his head down the entire time. In fact, he didn't make eye contact with anyone. As expected, he pleaded not guilty to the 329 charges against him. But what his attorney said after the arraignment came as a bit of a surprise.
[Brown:] With his head hanging down, accused kidnapper, rapist and murderer Ariel Castro looked despondent as his attorneys pleaded not guilty on his behalf.
[Craig Weintraub, Castro's Attorney:] We'd like to enter a plea of not guilty.
[Brown:] After the brief arraignment, Castro's attorney, Craig Weintraub, spoke to reporters in the courtroom and admitted for the first time that some of the 329 charges are horrendous and indisputable. That's quite a shift from just a few weeks ago when he said Castro was not a monster.
[Weintraub:] The initial portrayal by the media has been one of a, quote, "monster," and that's not the impression that I got when I talked to him for three hours.
[Brown:] In court today, Weintraub not only sympathized with the victims, but he showed a willingness to work out a plea deal, as long as prosecutors take the aggravated murder charges off the table, essentially eliminating the death penalty.
[Weintraub:] And it is our hope that we can continue to work toward a resolution to avoid having an unnecessary trial about aggravated murder and the death penalty.
[Brown:] Both sides have a vested interest in not going to trial. The defense wants to avoid the death penalty. Prosecutors don't want to re-victimize the three women. But it's a delicate balance.
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] What makes this case unusual is that, as much as prosecutors want to throw the book at Castro, they also have to consider the needs of the victims, who may not want to testify, who may not want to relive this experience. And that could open the door to some sort of plea bargain, at least one that doesn't involve the death penalty.
[Brown:] This as the prosecution prepares for trial, with FBI agents back at Castro's home, analyzing evidence and recreating a scene that includes a disco ball and silver garland hanging in the front room, shown here in this video. The attorney representing Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight and Amanda Berry tell the CNN the women "continue to have confidence in the prosecutor's office and sincerely hope for a swift and just result." And the courage fund set up for the women has actually ballooned to nearly $1 million. We spoke to a family friend of one of the victims, and we're told that the women are enjoying their new- found freedom, that they're as happy as you can be after going through such a traumatic ordeal, that they've actually been able to leave their home, go to the nail salon, go to the park, and they're just enjoying a sense of relief, as well. That the man who is charged with locking them up for so long now faces a similar punishment for the rest of his life or even worse. Jake, the big question remains, whether or not Ariel Castro will face the death penalty.
[Tapper:] All right. Pamela Brown in Cleveland, thank you so much. A woman and her baby were not doing anything wrong. They were on a sidewalk, not in the street. But events beyond their control put their lives at risk, and a security camera saw it all. CNN's Mary Snow has the story behind the frightening video Mary.
[Mary Snow, Cnn Correspondent:] And Jake, you know, when you see this video and know that both mother and baby were not seriously hurt, it's nothing short of amazing. A teen mother heading to an exam at her high school Monday afternoon suddenly found herself racing to save her baby's life.
[Snow:] It's terrifying to watch, a young mother and her baby walking on the sidewalk. Then in a split-second, a car careens out of control and hits them both. Seventeen-year-old Alondra Gervacio is grateful for what is, that she's now safe at home with her daughter, Perla. But it's the nightmare of what could have been that keeps playing over and over in her mind. Alondra says when the car headed towards them, she tried frantically to get her baby out of the way, but the stroller was swept under the car. With no time to think, Alondra pulls herself up and rushes to get far enough underneath the car to bring her 8-month-old baby to safety. [on camera]: When you look at that videotape, what do you think?
[Alondra Gervacio, Mother:] God help us. I said, "God help us."
[Snow:] Alondra says she screamed for help, that everything happened so fast, she had already rescued her daughter by the time people ran to her.
[Unidentified Female:] We heard a big bang and all of a sudden I'm hearing a baby, a baby and then the car hit in front of our store.
[Snow:] The driver of the livery cab that hit them, police say, suffered a heart attack and lost consciousness behind the wheel. He later died. [on camera]: Does this all feel like a bad dream?
[Gervacio:] Normally, I don't want to remember it. But it keeps going around my head. So I'm scared now to go outside by myself.
[Snow:] You're scared to go outside by yourself?
[Gervacio:] Yes.
[Snow:] Both mother and daughter escaped serious injury. But baby Perla was kept in the hospital overnight for observation. Relatives like cousin Vanessa Sanchez are just grateful they're alive.
[Vanessa Sanchez, Alondra's Cousin:] It was just crazy. And we my mom were like, she reacted so fast. And we would have been so scared. And we wouldn't have known what to do. It looked like the stroller got completely crushed by the car, and it was just a miracle that Perla didn't get hurt.
[Snow:] Now baby Perla was released from the hospital earlier today. Alondra Gervacio says before returning home with her daughter she headed straight to church to say prayers of thanks Jake.
[Tapper:] All right. Mary Snow, that was a miracle they survived that. Coming up, every air traveler's nightmare. Al Qaeda terrorists with surface-to-air missiles. We'll tell you why there's new reason to worry.

[Feyerick:] Well, she was set on fire and then left to die. Now Jessica Chambers' cell phone and a lead she gave firefighters in rural Mississippi are helping investigators close in on her killer. Jessica reportedly got a call Saturday evening which is why she went out in the first place. CNN's Martin Savidge has more on her final hours alive.
[Ben Chambers, Jessica's Father:] It's hard for me even it's hard to breathe, you know, even think about it.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] A family's anguish over an almost unspeakable crime. Their teenage daughter burned alive.
[Lisa Chambers, Jessica's Mother:] They have ripped everything I have.
[Savidge: 8:] 00 p.m. Saturday night, rural north Mississippi, a 911 call reports a burning car on a county road. Within minutes, the volunteer fire department arrives.
[Unidentified Male:] We were expecting it to be just a normal car fire.
[Savidge:] Instead, a horribly burned teen stumbles from the darkness in this small town. They know her.
[Unidentified Male:] I realized who the victim was and it was just shocking.
[Savidge:] Nineteen-year-old Jessica Chambers, described by friends as well-liked, outgoing, high school cheerleader, had been doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire. She would die the next day due to burns covering nearly every inch of her body. But it gets even worse, according to what the family says doctors told them.
[B. Chambers:] They said that, as far as they could tell, like they squirted fluid down her throat and up her nose, because it just burned on the inside so bad.
[Savidge:] Incredibly, despite her suffering, Chambers whispered something to firefighters. Many believe it was the name of her attacker.
[Unidentified Male:] I can't really disclose any of that information at this time.
[Savidge:] Authorities will only tell me what the teen said is a lead. Meanwhile, in this small town, the big question is, who could have done it?
[Unidentified Male:] Well, certainly we're looking at murder charges, capital murder charges.
[Savidge:] Authorities have been retracing where Chambers went that night. This surveillance video shows her stopping at a local gas station where police say she bought a drink and chatted with a few people. Everyone she spoke with has been cleared. The teen's burnt car is being analyzed, as is her phone, recovered inside. Investigators believe a text or last call could be key, especially if it links to her last whispered words.
[B. Chambers:] I want to see justice, man. Justice, you know.
[Savidge:] And in this part of Mississippi, they believe justice can be here or the hereafter.
[L. Chambers:] It's God's judgment and God's punishment. It's going to be far more worse than anything that we can do.
[Feyerick:] And that was Martin Savidge reporting. And, incredibly, Jessica's grandmother says she's willing to forgive her granddaughter's attacker.
[Willie Berdain, Jessica's Grandmother:] A lot of people say, well, I hope the killer burns in hell. But I don't. I don't I don't wish that on anybody. I hope this person or persons would come to God, we see something good come out of this. I don't want anger and hate in my heart.
[Feyerick:] Well, a FaceBook page titled "Justice for Jessica" now has more than 90,000 likes. The page states that it was created, quote, "to keep Jessica's name alive and out there." The page also warns visitors about scam sites trying to make money off Jessica. And just ahead, an ugly encounter with police caught on video.
[Police Officer:] Give me your f-ing hands. Get out of the f-ing car.
[Unidentified Female:] Are you really are you serious?
[Feyerick:] Well, now the woman on the receiving end speaks out about what happened and what she wants to happen to the officers involved.

[Unidentified Female:] I knew something was going on, I would start asking questions and he'd say you know what, you don't trust me. You got to trust me. By the way, you were drunk.
[Paul:] Rape allegations continuing to haunt Bill Cosby this morning.
[Johns:] Why women are coming forward now, and when will the comedy legend respond? Bottom of the hour.
[Paul:] Yes. I'm Christi Paul. Glad to have you with us.
[Johns:] I'm Joe Johns.
[Paul:] So we'll talk about these decade old rape allegations against iconic comedian, Bill Cosby, because they just will not go away.
[Johns:] So Cosby's had repeated denials, alleged victims continue to come forward with horrifying tales of being drugged and sexually molested. This week the whole thing blew up again after Cosby unwittingly re-ignited the allegations by inviting fans to reach out to him on Twitter. And this morning Cosby is set to speak on NPR. Alexandra Field is following that story for us. She joins us now live from New York Alexandra.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey there Joe. This is a much anticipated interview people waiting to hear what Bill Cosby has to say after a week when he has been widely attacked on the Internet. Here's what we know. Scott Simon the journalist for NPR who has conducted this interview is saying that he asks Bill Cosby directly about the rape allegations that continue plague him. He says that people should listen in and decide for themselves whether or not Bill Cosby says yes or no to that question. This debate these allegations have been re-ignited since Monday when Cosby or his social media team put a post on Twitter asking people to mean him and that unleashed the flood gates, people accusing him of rape and going so far as to call him a rapist. There are women out there who say that they were victimized by Bill Cosby among them Barbara Bowman. As a young actress she was mentored by Bill Cosby. She says after she turned 18 he attacked her. And she talked to CNN about why she decided to come forward with the allegations.
[Barbara Bowman, Claims Cosby Sexually Assaulted Her:] So after going to my agent and going to the lawyer, and getting smacked down both time I just said let me just get on with my life, move on with my life and let it go. And in 2004, finally when one woman did have the courage to come forward and file a lawsuit, I said I will not sit in silence any more and I believe this woman. They were dragging her through the mud, calling her a liar and I said I believe her because it happened to me.
[Field:] That lawsuit that Barbara Bowman was talking about was filed by a woman who says that she was drugged and raped by Bill Cosby. Police investigated at the time. They said there was a lack of evidence to charge Cosby with the crime. The suit was settled confidentially and through the years Christi and Joe, Bill Cosby and his attorneys have repeatedly denied any and all allegations. He has never been prosecuted. He's never been charged with a crime yet these allegations continue to crop up.
[Paul:] Do we now how they are affecting him at all?
[Field:] I think we're going to hear a little bit more when we hear this interview on NPR when he is asked again, we'll hear from him, you know, what he is feeling right now, what he has to say. But we know that as these allegations continue to be repeated that they are becoming attached to his name. Look, when you see articles about him in the "New York Times" or the "Washington Post" these allegations are attached to it. He does still have a sitcom that is set to air next year on NBC. It seems that that's going forward. But there have been reports of some appearances being canceled including some conflicting reports about why an appearance on Queen Latifah's show was canceled. That came after a fellow comedian Hannibal Buress really skewered and attacked Cosby, calling him a rapist back in October. Certainly these allegations they continue to come forward, they continue to be talked about and when Bill Cosby's name is mentioned people are bringing this up.
[Johns:] Alexandra Field, thanks so much for that.
[Paul:] We want to talk about this a little more with our legal analyst Joey Jackson because Joey, people see this and I'm sure that a lot of them are wondering because these accusations go back ten years, some of them plus, what legal action could somebody take?
[Joey Jackson, Cnn Legal Analyst:] You know, it's interesting Christi because rape especially in New York, if you look at the op-ed piece that Miss Bowman wrote when she was mentioning exactly what had happened to her and how he took advantage of her she mentioned that in his brownstone in New York apparently he drugged her, allegedly, and that there was some activity that he engaged in with her that was unwelcome. So in New York there is no statute of limitations on rape particularly when it's either A, forcible compulsion, or as Miss Bowman alleged, Christi, when it relates to a victim who is helpless so. And so theoretically, in theory a prosecutor can look at it, examine it and see whether or not they can go forward. But a prosecutor only takes a case if they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And if there is only her allegations then of course you run the risk of well, he says then she says. The other piece to that Christi, though, is sometimes a prosecutor will look and they'll say ok, there is no physical evidence and it's so long ago, but is there what we call a recent outcry witness, someone, a friend, a relative, that you went to and said someone's doing this to me and this is what they did. And of course that would be evidence that would be admissible in a court of law. So could she be prosecuted, excuse me, could Bill Cosby be prosecuted, yes. Would he be, it's a stretch in the event the prosecutor wants to take the case, they can.
[Paul:] All right. Hey Joey Jackson, thanks for laying that out for us. We appreciate it.
[Jackson:] Of course. Thank you.
[Johns:] As Republicans are set to take over Congress, President Obama is trying to stand his ground. It may be cold outside but tensions are hot in Washington, D.C. We'll get an inside perspective from Democratic representative Sheila Jackson Lee coming up next.
[Paul:] But first, according to a Veterans Administration report, on average 22 veterans commit suicide daily. In this week's "Impact Your World" a former marine is changing that using a film and a book about his experiences at war. Meet Mike Scotty.
[Mike Scotty, Former Marine:] My name is Mike Scotty and I'm a former marine who fought as part of the initial invasion in Iraq independent 2003. I just happen to have a video camera with me and I just videotaped kind of what was going on. The car ran the road block and the marines had no choice but to light it up turned out to be a father and his baby girl. When I first got home I just went down a hole. I started spiraling down and went almost all the way. The first couple of months was garden variety depression. And then you know I started to become angry. You are angry that your friends are getting killed or wounded over there and angry that the country you sacrificed for sometimes seems to forget that it's fighting a war. Then you start having thoughts of, you know, what are you going to do? Am I going to kill myself? Am I going to join up and go on active duty and go back to the war try to get myself killed? When it started to come together as a film and it was a rough cut and I saw other veterans see it, and I watched, I would watch them watch, it really, really started to click for me was that this wasn't just my story. This was, you know, everybody's story, every veteran's story. Sorting out what you experienced over there can feel like it's impossible. You live in a sort of limbo where everything gravitates toward uncertainty, chaos and disorder. I realized that there was a lot of people who were sad or suffering or keeping these feelings inside of them. The advice that I would give to veterans, call your buddies, write about it. Do something creative. If you think you need help, ask for it.

[Keilar:] Closing gender pay gap has long been important to President Obama. The Fair Pay Act was the very first legislation that he signed into law as president in 2009. And now, new statistics show the divide between what men and women earn on average at the White House, itself, may still need a little bit of work. CNN White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski is joining me with details. So, the White House is maybe not living up to the details?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Hey, Brianna, pay is not bad here at the White House, including by gender. They have pay grades by title, male or female, everyone working with each level is making exactly the same. Where this got confusing and a little strange is that when you take this as average as the White House repeatedly uses to push for more pay equality in America and apply that to the White House yes, there is also still a wage gap right here.
[Kosinski:] It's one of President Obama's top agenda items. You hear it just yesterday.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Let's make sure women earn pay equal to their efforts.
[Kosinski:] And back in April, this
[Obama:] The average full time working woman earns just 77 cents for every dollar a man earns.
[Kosinski:] Well, that's been one tricky statistic that's the U.S. on average. But it doesn't explain is the fact that more women hold lower paying jobs in a number of fields. For the highest paying roles, the field of applicants in many fields is predominantly male, for a number of reasons, including choice. And those fields include the White House where more women hold lower paying positions and where if you use the same average used in a lot of the rhetoric, then the White House pay gap has women earning 88 cents to the dollar. And that hasn't changed in six years.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] I wouldn't hold up the White House as the perfect example here. There is no doubt that there is more that we could do to approve our record here at the White House, when compared to the pride detector, our record stands pretty strong.
[Kosinski:] However, when you look at equal pay for equal work, which has been the real push behind the White House's efforts, the White House itself seems right on Target. Top tier assistants to the president, male or female, Denis McDonough and Susan Rice and Josh Earnest and Jen Palmieri, all earn exactly $172,200. Another groupings of employees by job also have the exact same say pay rate, male or female. Again, over all, more women do hold the lower-paying jobs. [on camera]: To be more specific, if that average doesn't necessarily represent equal work for equal pay, is it really fair to say that in America, it's 77 cents to the dollar, female-to-male?
[Earnest:] Again, what I would say is there are a variety of metrics that can be consulted to evaluate whether or not whether or not equal work leads to equal pay.
[Kosinski:] So, the White House doesn't want to back off from using that statistic, even though at times when explaining the White House wage gap, it seems to contradict a value of using that average in America at all Brianna.
[Keilar:] Michelle Kosinski, very interesting report. Thank you. And that's it for me. Thank you so much for watching. I'm Brianna Keilar in THE SITUATION ROOM. And, "ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT" starts right now.

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Anchor:] Thank you for kicking off a new week with CNN STUDENT NEWS. Ten minutes of current events with no commercials. I`m Carl Azuz at the CNN Center. First up today, disaster in the Balkans. This is a region of Europe, east of the Adriatic Sea. And the nation of Serbia is dealing with its worst flooding since people started keeping records 120 years ago. Rain and rising rivers are the reason why more than 24,000 people have been evacuated in Serbia. But one rescuer says, many more need to get out. They just don`t want to leave their homes. Several people have died in Serbia, as well as in neighboring Bosnia and Herzegovina. Bosnian officials say one town got two months` worth of rain in less than two days. More than 10,000 troops have been helping with rescue efforts in the region. Other nations from Russia to Israel are sending supplies. The West Coast of the U.S. has been dealing with another sort of disaster, but since last week, officials in California have made a lot of progress in containing wildfires. The weather shifted. Cooler winds and moist air from the Pacific Ocean helped firefighters get a handle on most of the blazes in southern California. One of them scorched the chunk of land the size of Manhattan. And fire season is just beginning, but crews have a lot of tools to deal with it.
[Unidentified Female:] A wall of flames closing in on a Marine air strip, a military base under siege.
[Col. Will Hooper, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing:] I watched as this thing marched from about a half a mile away, almost within 200 meters of us, and I could feel the heat on my face, as this thing approached.
[Unidentified Female:] Enter the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing and 22 helicopters ready to battle the flames. On this flight, we are headed for a lake on the base with the 300 gallon bucket in tow. Our chopper is guided by a crew chief, many Right now, we`re flying directly over the fire line. You can actually see how badly burned this area is after these fires. The crew chief spots the right moment to make the drop. On his signal, the water is released. In all, these choppers made over 900 drops, at the fire`s peak, Captain Bradley Gibson pulled it off with zero visibility.
[Captain Bradley Gibson, Pilot:] You see your lead aircraft going to smoke and it just disappears. You don`t know if it`s going straight ahead. You don`t know if it`s coming out to the left. You don`t even know if it got its bucket dropped off or not, so the best you can do is hope.
[Unidentified Female:] The smoke so intense it cut off the main water supply on the base, forcing the crews to look elsewhere. This video shows a Marine chopper hovering over the Pacific Ocean.
[Unidentified Male:] Actually reassuring to see my neighborhood.
[Unidentified Female:] These Marines don`t just fight fires on Camp Pendleton, but in nearby communities. In some cases, water drops like this are to protect even their own homes.
[Eric Landblom, Pilot:] You know, you confidence. And I can I can call home and call the wife and say, hey,
[Unidentified Female:] The water drops these Marines could have make in 2003, when the massive cedar wildfire killed 20 people. Today, new policies have united the Marines with local firefighters.
[Azuz:] New Smyrna Beach on Florida`s East Coast has been called the shark attack capital of the world." No one has ever been killed by a shark by there, but attacks are pretty common. There`ve been several this year including one last week. Make come as no surprise that Katharine the Great White Shark was recently tracked not too far away.
[Unidentified Male:] This shark is named Katharine by Kat customers in honor of Katharine Lee Baits.
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] We are taking a stroll at the Sebastian Inlet Park about a 140 miles north of Miami. Researches tagged this 9300 pound great white shark all the way up in Cape Cod Massachusetts back in August. They spent about 15 minutes with her, they did an ultrasound, they measured her, they even got a blood sample, and they put this special tracking device so they can keep tabs on her not just for right now, but also for the next five years. So far, this shark has traveled more than 3600 miles. And the reason they are doing this is because they are trying to unravel the mystery behind the great white shark in the Atlantic Ocean. They want to figure out where and when these sharks are breeding, and also where their nurseries are located so they can protect these areas. Now, the cool thing about all of this for you and I, is that we can actually keep tabs on this research real time and we are all waiting to see where Katharine will head next.
[Unidentified Female:] Time for the "Shoutout." After English and Spanish, what`s the most widely spoken language in U.S. homes? If you think you know it, shout it out! Is it French, Chinese, German or Arabic? You`ve got three seconds, go! An estimated 2.8 million people in the U.S. speak Chinese at home making that your answer. And that`s your shoutout.
[Azuz:] Now, that`s for the U.S. as a whole. It has no official language, though English is spoken by more than 82 percent of people in the U.S. And it is official in 28 states. When you take each state, though, you break down what`s spoken after English and Spanish, you`ll see an incredibly diverse linguistic landscape.
[Fareed Zakaria, Cnn Correspondent:] Other than English, Spanish is the most spoken language in almost all U.S. states. But watch what happens when you remove Spanish from the equation. Now there is the melting pot. In Michigan, Arabic clocks in as the third most commonly spoken language. In Minnesota, it`s Hmong. In Oregon, it`s Russian. It`s Vietnamese in four states, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Washington. It`s a Filipino language called Tagalog in Hawaii, California and Nevada. In four states, it`s Native American languages, it`s French in 11 states and in 16 states it`s German. If you`re surprised at that number, according to recent Census measures of countries of ancestry, people of German heritage outnumber all other groups in the United States, even Irish. Remember, until the First World War by some accounts, German was the second most widely spoken language in all of the United States.
[Azuz:] We appreciate the thousands of schools that have requested a mention on our "Roll Call" this year. Today, we are starting with one in the Golden State. Temescal Canyon High School, it`s the home of the Titans. They are online in Lake Elsinore, California. In the Sunflower state, it`s the Falcons that are soaring over Pomona, Kansas. They are watching from West Franklin High School and in the Yellow Hammer state, hello to the leopards of Blount High School. Good to see you not too far away in Eight Mile, Alabama. Finishing a triathlon, scaling China`s Great Wall, hiking the Grand Canyon. Project "Athena" is a program that helps women do things like this after they`ve had a traumatic injury or medical setback. The project gives grands, covering travel, equipment, coaching, whatever`s needed for its adventure. It`s founder is a firefighter, an Iron Man competitor and inspiration. She`s also a CNN Hero.
[Robyn Benincasa, Cnn Hero:] Very often, people are saying, OK, I survived, but now what? And we want to be that now what?
[Unidentified Female:] Good job, ladies! I was a world class adventure racer. In the world championships I hit the deck. And the doctor said you`re never going to run again. I`ve had four hip replacements. After my first, I said, I`m just going to put something on my calendar, so that I`m still training for something. It just makes you realize it`s not about the setback, it`s about the comeback. So, I thought, let`s do that for other women.
[Unidentified People:] Latina!
[Benincasa:] I started an organization that helps survivors of medical or traumatic setbacks live an adventurous dream as part of their recovery. You`re strong kid, Elli girl!
[Unidentified Female:] I was in the place of such uncertainty, so finding the Website was such a message of home to me. Here with group of women who understood it on a different level?
[Benincasa:] Athena girls! Yeah, baby! Being an Athena, you are not just a survivor. You are an adventurer. We give them a different label to put on themselves and it`s something they become on the way to the finish line.
[Azuz:] It`s graduation tradition to toss your cap in the air. One graduation speaker recently tossed a football.
[Paton Manning:] I`m truly humbled to be here today to help you celebrate this remarkable time in your lives.
[Azuz:] That`s Super Bowl winning quarterback Paton Manning and fortunately for some graduating seniors at the University of Virginia, he didn`t throw as hard during Saturday`s event as he typically does in the NFL. There were no dropped passes, no YouTube infamy for the receiving graduates, just a chance to have a ball in the pro. A lot of people would pay tons for that experience, receiving a pass and some advice, running back to you, see, without going on the defensive. Very few would pass on that, Manning. I`m Carl Azuz. We`ll kick off another show on Tuesday. END

[Costello:] Checking our "Top Stories" at 50 minutes past the hour, police have arrested New York Knicks point guard Raymond Felton on gun charges. The arrest comes just hours after the Knicks lost a home game to Dallas. Felton was charged with criminal possession of a weapon. Police say he had a firearm and a loaded ammunition magazine. A deck collapse caught on security camera video two dozen people were hurt and are now suing the clubhouse deck builder and a homeowners association in Indiana.
[Jerry Devary:] Police are shocked and I said "How could this happen?"
[Jeremy Wilt, Wife & Daughter Were On Deck:] Some people call this a freak accident. You know a meteorite hitting your house would be a freak accident this was going to fall one day.
[Costello:] The Deck collapse happened during a Christmas party given by a woman for her extended family. The deck building company says it's shielded from the lawsuit because the deck is more than 10 years old. If you get into a fender bender in Las Vegas don't expect police to show up. Police say they don't have the time, starting Monday, police say they will only respond to injury accidents. Police say they've spent an average 250 hours a week investigating non-injury accidents. Las Vegas is not the first city to change its policy like this. The world's most wanted drug lord is spending his fourth day behind bars after more than a decade on the run. Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman was captured over the weekend in a predawn raid in a Mexican resort town. Nick Parker takes us to the big size condo where he was finally captured.
[Nick Parker, Cnn Correspondent:] The Miramar Condominium perhaps now Mexico's most infamous building where Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman was finally tracked down. Right now there's only a solitary police car here for security but the front desk is not letting in the media. [voice over]: It's a modest ocean front property built about a decade ago an unusual choice for a man with an estimated fortune of a $1 billion.
[Aida Beltran, Marimar Resident:] North Americana.
[Parker:] It's mostly North American who live here says resident Aida Beltran. It's a quiet family place. It's never had any problems. Neighbors say they heard helicopters overhead on Saturday morning and two of them landed right here on this wasteland just behind where Guzman was staying. And from there as you can see, it was just a short distance for the Mexican marines to cover, to make their way across this ground and enter the condo development where Chapo Guzman was staying on a fourth floor bedroom, Room 401. Antonio Perez, works in a nearby hotel. "On Saturday morning between 5:00 and 6:00, the marines closed the area about a half a kilometer around the Miramar," he says. "I saw two people get into helicopters with clothes over their heads. And they took off. That's all I saw." U.S. tourists at the coastal resort were enjoying the spectacle around the Miramar.
[Unidentified Male:] It will certainly be a time that we won't forget easily. Yes, we've heard about Mr. Guzman for a lot of years up north because of his occupation. Yes, it's been a real boost to a road trip to have been here while this was going on.
[Parker:] Mazatlan is also known as the "Pearl of the Pacific" for its long sandy beaches and colonial town. The city had just been enjoying a boost to its tourism industry after violence in the surrounding area of Sinaloa and hit a number of U.S. tourists. Many here are hoping the aftermath of El Chapo's arrest will not derail that recovery. Nick Parker, CNN, Mazatlan, Mexico.
[Costello:] Still to come, "Saturday Night Live" [inaudible] Seth Meyers makes his debut with host of late night and Joe Biden makes a big announcement.
[Seth Meyers, Talk Show:] You have been very open about talking about 2016 and considering what you are going to do. Where are you in your thought process? What are you taking into account?
[Joe Biden, Vice President Of The United States:] Well, you know, I was planning on making a major announcement tonight but I decided
[Costello:] We'll let you hear more next.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Coming up here on CNN, coming up next, "Boston's Finest", "Everything is Personal." I'm Brooke Baldwin. Have a great night.
[Unidentified Male:] So, you've got a gun Put your hands on the stand. Get inside. Get them inside. Get down on the ground right now. One, one two, go, one, two, good, good. Shake them out.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Jen Penton served their country in Afghanistan. Now she's a police officer, serving on the streets of Boston.
[Jennifer Penton, Boston Police Officer:] I am 5'3", 100 and something pounds. With that comes a fear that I will be faced with a 6'2", 250- pound muscular guy that doesn't want to go to jail that day. When I don't want to get up at 5:00 in the morning, didn't go to boxing. I think of being in a foot chase and losing. There is that chance that you will be fighting got your life on the side of the road where your backup is, you know, a minute away. I have to stay on top of my game. It could save my life. It could save, you know, my partner's life.
[Unidentified Male:] Dig it in. Dig it in.
[Jennifer Penton:] That's a tremendous amount of responsibility that I take very seriously.
[Unidentified Male:] Nice, nice. Good job.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Even though they have only been partners for a few months, patrol officers Jen Penton and Pat Rogers know each other well.
[Jennifer Penton:] I drink some bad stuff.
[Pat Rogers, Police Officer:] You drink some bad stuff.
[Jennifer Penton:] I do drink bad stuff. I've always wants to do a cleanse.
[Rogers:] Of that stuff?
[Jennifer Penton:] Dude, it's got raw meat and spinach and parsley and
[Rogers:] Not food.
[Jennifer Penton:] What do you think is crazy I want to cleanse my body?
[Rogers:] Yes. But you don't eat [bleep] anyway. So, what do you cleansing. I do cleanse the natural way.
[Jennifer Penton:] The natural way?
[Rogers:] The natural.
[Jennifer Penton:] Coffee and
[Rogers:] Coffee works every time.
[Jennifer Penton:] Coffee works for you every time. That's for sure. We answer radio calls and that's the attention. Want to stop? Good morning, how are you? And then, secondary to that would be motor vehicle enforcement. And then, did you square away your registration yet?
[Unidentified Male:] I'm taking care of that now.
[Jennifer Penton:] You're on your way to the registry right now. OK. Sir, we'll just give you a warning. Have a good day. We're just a presence; we are going to be a detour to criminal activity.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Every stop is different. Some test your metal, and some your patience.
[Jennifer Penton:] Do you think he knows the speed limit over here is only 30 miles an hour? I can't see his plate.
[Rogers:] You got to be on the re-cap place.
[Jennifer Penton:] Can't really tell. Ohio. Hi, how are you. Two things, one your plate is obscured. I don't know if it's got a cover on it but you can't have those do you want to understand why you got stopped?
[Unidentified Male:] I don't need to know why got stopped.
[Jennifer Penton:] Part of my job is to inform you
[Unidentified Male:] I only got to give you my license and registration.
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes. But I want you to understand why I pull you over so that we can correct it.
[Unidentified Male:] I don't care. I don't need to know why you stopped me.
[Jennifer Penton:] Part of my job is to make sure you understand what's wrong.
[Unidentified Male:] I do.
[Jennifer Penton:] So, why I pulled you over?
[Unidentified Male:] Because you have nothing to do, I guess.
[Jennifer Penton:] Do you have your license on you? Thank you so much. He was so rude. I tried to explain why I stopped him and he doesn't want to listen, so now I'll put it in writing for him. Get back in the car. Get back in the [bleep] car. Do you have an issue?
[Unidentified Male:] I have to be somewhere.
[Jennifer Penton:] OK. We can discuss that. You don't get out of the car on a traffic stop.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm going to headquarters.
[Jennifer Penton:] OK. You're welcome to do, that sir.
[Unidentified Male:] All right. Trust me.
[Jennifer Penton:] OK. Being a female police officer comes with certain challenges and obstacles. There are people that just don't respect a woman in a role of authority. I've dealt with quite a few people that just cannot handle the fact that it's a female telling them what to do.
[Rogers:] Want to kind of for a second?
[Jennifer Penton:] No, I'm good. I'm good.
[Brian Albert, Boston Police:] Everybody, yes, the first thing we are going to do this morning is go over on River Street.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] The fugitive unit tracks down criminals on the run. Often times, the worst of the worst, cold-blooded, dangerous and desperate.
[Albert:] Any questions?
[Unidentified Male:] No.
[Albert:] All right.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Today Officers Greg and Winston will work together as partners. They are going after Anthony Woodrum, a hard-core drug killer convicted of selling crack cocaine in the school zone. Woodrum escaped from a transitional facility called the brook house where is finishing a two-year jail sentence.
[Winston, Police Officer:] He walked away from the brook house about a month ago. Drug dealer, five-page record. Search warrants on his house.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] The problem is Woodrum has a lot of places to hide.
[Winston:] That's his girl?
[Greg Dankers, Officer, Fugitive Unit:] Yes, I mean, she visits him a lot in jail.
[Winston:] OK.
[Dankers:] The target's son. This is the target's nephew.
[Winston:] He's also got a warrant.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] It's a giant shell game, but bankers get an idea.
[Dankers:] Maybe we'll go to everywhere, right, accept for her. And then obviously, he will get the word that the police are looking for him. But yes, right. Hopefully and we can get a try full of people will calling and saying, the police were here. The police were here. And then have we talked to Peggy and Peggy right now, this time he came in here. And Peggy was focus on that, right?
[Winston:] Safe house for him. It sounds good.
[Dankers:] How does that sound?
[Winston:] Sounds like an awesome
[Dankers:] Is that wicked cool? So, you and I will do this case?
[Winston:] All right.
[Dankers:] Maybe we can get some lunch.
[Winston:] Yes.
[Dankers:] Where you want to go?
[Winston:] I don't know. Lunch is on you so
[Dankers:] You want to go to Salsa?
[Winston:] No, no, don't do Salsa.
[Dankers:] You don't like south Boston, do you?
[Winston:] No.
[Dankers:] I knew it.
[Winston:] Some jerk chicken.
[Dankers:] Oh, man, can I eat that in the bathroom sitting on the toilet because that's what I need to do. Sushi?
[Winston:] You have to go to the north end.
[Dankers:] The north end?
[Winston:] Yes.
[Dankers:] Now you're talking crazy.
[Winston:] Dude, how we going to work together if we can't even [bleep] agree on lunch?
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Across town, Jen and Pat switch to an unmarked car for a new assignment, tracking down a warrant.
[Rogers:] De La Cruz, Elvis.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Elvis de la Cruz is on probation for assaulting his ex-girlfriend but allowed the battery on his GPS monitoring bracelet to die, which has caused for immediately arrest.
[Jennifer Penton:] You know, the GPS is, you know, that thing makes it a kind of noise if the battery is dying so, probably on purpose.
[Rogers:] He could be out and about running the streets doing whatever.
[Jennifer Penton:] There is a victim on the case, maybe they want to make sure he stays away from her. Either way, you know, you go to cuff them up. It is a big deal.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Jen and Pat have a confirmed address for the pizza joint where de la Cruz works but when serving a warrant, nothing is guaranteed.
[Rogers:] We don't know how this kid will be when we get down there. Who knows if he's really going to run, but he might.
[Jennifer Penton:] He could be watching us from somewhere else, as well.
[Rogers:] Could be.
[Jennifer Penton:] So just keep an eye out.
[Rogers:] Yes.
[Jennifer Penton:] Elvis? He could be watching us from somewhere else, as well.
[Rogers:] Could be.
[Jennifer Penton:] So, just keep an eye out.
[Rogers:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] Good morning.
[Jennifer Penton:] Elvis?
[Elvis De La Cruz, On Probation For Assaulting His Girlfriend:] You guys going to arrest me?
[Jennifer Penton:] I want you to tell me what's going on with your bracelet and then I'm going to tell you what is going to happen with us.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Jen Penton and Pat Rogers are serving a warrant on Elvis de la Cruz who violated his probation for assault by letting the battery on his GPS monitoring device run out.
[De A Cruz:] I was working all day yesterday. I fell asleep. I mean, I went home, fell asleep. Forgot to charge my bracelet. Woke up put the charge on, went to work, that's it.
[Rogers:] OK. I'm just
[De A Cruz:] I went to work, that's it.
[Jennifer Penton:] That's just a warrant this morning for you. They want you arrested to go see your probation officer.
[De A Cruz:] So I got to stay until tomorrow in jail?
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Transco takes de la Cruz to the High Park Avenue police station. Jen and Pat follow behind to do the booking and learn a little bit more about him.
[Jennifer Penton:] How many hours they make you work?
[De A Cruz:] Depending between 40 and 50.
[Jennifer Penton:] And you're staying away from the girl you had issues with, right?
[De A Cruz:] Actually, the bracelet I have been feeling kind of comfortable in it because that's my only protection right now.
[Jennifer Penton:] Keeping it so we know where you're at?
[De A Cruz:] Yes.
[Jennifer Penton:] So that if she can't accuse yourself?
[De A Cruz:] Yes. Ever since I come home I've been taking two classes, fatherhood program and battery program.
[Jennifer Penton:] Really? What's the fatherhood program?
[De A Cruz:] It is just a class about parenting and guys, all guys so we just talk, just talk
[Jennifer Penton:] How tough it is being and father and stuff?
[De A Cruz:] Yes and things we have to do to take care of our kids.
[Jennifer Penton:] OK. You know, honestly Elvis, you're doing the right thing. You are working more than what most adults I know. OK. You're taking care of your daughter. I'm going to keep doing what you're doing. I hope the best for you. I hope you never see me or my partner again unless we're picking up pizza down the street, OK? So, we will get you situated. We call the bail bonds men. We will go from there, OK?
[De A Cruz:] Thank you.
[Jennifer Penton:] Step this way. He made bad choices but was trying to make up for it and he was trying to do the right thing, which is important to see. There is a lot more to policing than putting handcuffs on someone and putting them in a jail cell. Maybe they need someone to actually listen to them. I have a twin sister, Melissa. Growing up we just always had different personalities. She has made choices that I don't agree with. She's been in some trouble with the law and drugs and battling addiction. I haven't seen her in like two years. I struggle with the fact that I am not close with her. About two years ago, she had a baby boy, Tristan. She put him up for adoption. It was really tough on the family. But I'm determined to stay a part of his life.
[Unidentified Female:] Hi, Jen, come in. Good to see you.
[Jennifer Penton:] Thank you so much for inviting me.
[Unidentified Female:] Really? Tristan.
[Jennifer Penton:] He is so big. We're lucky enough where his adoptive parents, Jen and Paul, really do want us to be in his life. So, it's nice to see like now that he's a little bit older, you can see his facial features coming.
[Unidentified Male:] He looks like you.
[Jennifer Penton:] And they want Tristan to have as many people in his life as they can that love him and that includes my sister.
[Unidentified Female:] I was looking forward to meeting her but then she just didn't make it.
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes, I think she's just too sad. You know, I wish to death I could raise a child
[Unidentified Female:] While you're working 70 hours a week.
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes, I'm working a lot and you know, I just, you know I live alone, but I think what you guys are doing is amazing.
[Unidentified Female:] We're thrilled and very happy to have, you know, have you guys be in his life and our lives, as well.
[Jennifer Penton:] We appreciate it. I think there's going to be a ton of people that love him.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Jennifer Penton:] Can I get a picture?
[Unidentified Male:] There you go.
[Tristan, 2-years-old:] Little camera.
[Jennifer Penton:] The end goal for me is to be happy and content and live a life I'm proud of. That includes my sister. And although, I don't necessarily agree with how she handled being a mom and how she handled that responsibility, I have to move past that. You know, she has to move past that and with that, I think it would be good for her to have a relationship with Tristan. And if I can help that along to facilitate that, then I want to do that. But first, I have to find her.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Across down, Greg Dankers and the fugitive unit are just starting their shift. Their target is drug dealer Anthony Woodrum.
[Dankers:] He walked away from a half-way house. Maybe Anthony Woodrum got a long criminal history. Done drop rock, a lot of drugs, always dealing drug. There is information he might be at Regina Road which is across from KFC on Washington Street. There is some female that he might be with. She has got a warrant for assault and battery.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Dankers' plan is to bang on doors of all of which and associates hoping someone will gave up information on his whereabouts.
[Dankers:] Boston Police. Is Anthony here?
[Unidentified Female:] No.
[Dankers:] OK. Is there anybody else here?
[Unidentified Female:] Just me and Mary.
[Dankers:] Open the door, Mary. We are looking for this gentleman.
[Unidentified Female:] I've never seen him.
[Dankers:] Call him drop rock.
[Unidentified Female:] No, sir.
[Dankers:] No? You are sure?
[Unidentified Female:] Positive.
[Dankers:] What's your name, dear?
[Unidentified Female:] Maddi.
[Dankers:] Do you have an ID? Do you just crash here?
[Unidentified Female:] No, no, we're friends.
[Unidentified Male:] I wish you told tell me where he is.
[Unidentified Female:] I don't know.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Both women are wanted on drug charges so Dankers gives them a choice, they can either give up Woodrum or go to jail.
[Dankers:] I think they know him. They are just not saying that. They are going to jail. They are not going to give him up.
[Jennifer Penton:] I know. I'm so surprised. My mom is my best friend. She's someone I go to with just about everything in my life.
[Pauline Penton:] Did you water?
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes. Take a long time.
[Pauline Penton:] So what have you done this week?
[Jennifer Penton:] Work, work, work.
[Pauline Penton:] How is Pat?
[Jennifer Penton:] Good.
[Pauline Penton:] Jen?
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes.
[Pauline Penton:] He's a good guy.
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes.
[Pauline Penton:] He is.
[Jennifer Penton:] We had a really good arrest the other night for drugs.
[Pauline Penton:] Oh my goodness. Look at all that money.
[Jennifer Penton:] Those are all hundred dollar bills.
[Pauline Penton:] Yes, look at that. You and Pat must have been happy about that.
[Jennifer Penton:] Yes, we did like I think a little high five in the middle of the street.
[Unidentified Female:] Your Nachos.
[Pauline Penton:] Thank you.
[Jennifer Penton:] I saw Tristan for his birthday.
[Pauline Penton:] I have done something good.
[Jennifer Penton:] It didn't work out more.
[Pauline Penton:] I have the intelligence to know that. You remember after she delivered him, I said what good are you to him? I can't believe that you thought it was a good idea to have him adopted. I said I think it's the best thing that could happen. I couldn't take him.
[Jennifer Penton:] I couldn't take him.
[Pauline Penton:] I said I tried. My doctor said I couldn't take care of him.
[Jennifer Penton:] But how can she not be so selfish to not see that was the best decision for him. You know what I mean? Because like mentally, she should know that, you know, she didn't have the means to take care of him. She knows that she wasn't clean.
[Pauline Penton:] That's for sure.
[Jennifer Penton:] You know, she didn't have a plan.
[Pauline Penton:] That poor baby had to go through withdraw. You know what, and know that he is in a good home. To him, that's his family. Even though it hurts
[Jennifer Penton:] Mom, it's the same like -.
[Pauline Penton:] I know.
[Jennifer Penton:] We had this conversation five years ago, seven years ago, like it's the same thing over and over again. She'll get on probation
[Pauline Penton:] Exactly.
[Jennifer Penton:] And then she gets violated again. Seeing her picked up for prostitution or in and out of the court system, given what I deal with every day, it just goes against everything I sort of
[Pauline Penton:] It's hard for me because I'm her mother.
[Jennifer Penton:] I know, mom.
[Pauline Penton:] And no matter what, at the end of the day I still love her. I still worry about her.
[Jennifer Penton:] My New Year's resolution this year was to try to have some sort of communication with her, but even talking to you I'm just so pissed off like I hate to say it, but I'm just so pissed.
[Pauline Penton:] I know you are.
[Jennifer Penton:] And I'm hopeful and I want to be hopeful for you and you know, she's my twin sister and, you know, a part of me, you know, feels that we should have somewhat of a relationship. I would like to have the lines of communication open because I really want her to be part of Tristan's life and I want him to be part of our family. I really would like to find her.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] Meanwhile, the fugitive unit continues to search for drug dealer Anthony Woodrum. They are pressuring his known associates but so far nobody is talking. Tonight's target, Woodrum's nephew, Devell or reputed gang member.
[Unidentified Male:] Good morning, dear. Sorry to bother you again. Is Devell home?
[Unidentified Female:] I think so.
[Unidentified Male:] All right. He never went to court.
[Unidentified Female:] He didn't? No.
[Dankers:] We knew his bedroom was in the basement. Devell. When we go in there we say show your hands. You know, you're under arrest. If you're not dressed, you're getting handcuffed and we're dressing you and doing everything for you. It's out of your control.
[Unidentified Male:] Stop resisting. You know what the [bleep].
[Dankers:] We can't let people walk around in the house where they might have weapons hidden or guns or knives or whatever.
[Unidentified Male:] Are you the same [bleep] cop.
[Dankers:] You are an h-block kid, right?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Dankers:] All right. That's cool.
[Unidentified Male:] This is crazy.
[Dankers:] Do you know he's in a gang, dear?
[Unidentified Male:] Did you know he's in a gang, dear? I'm not in a dang. Why did you tell my grandmother I'm in a gang. I don't know. You just said you are at. I'm not in a gang. You just said you were h-block. Shut up. I don't want to talk to y'all. You just told my grandmother I'm in a gang.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] They took Woodrum's nephew to the station for booking on his outstanding warrants. He didn't rat out his uncle. But Woodrum is bound to hear that the cops are after him. Dankers hopes he will take the bait and head to his girlfriend's house to hide.
[Jennifer Penton:] I'm not sure what my sister is doing with her life right now. She kind of has had different boyfriends here and there and, you know, has been in different cities. And I don't know what those cities are or where she's at. When we're on patrol or I'm driving around, we're getting these calls for, you know, someone that ODed or a prostitute that got beat up, it's difficult not to think of my sister. It's difficult not to imagine that it could be her.
[Unidentified Female:] There is fight going on inside the apartment.
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] The call comes in about a fight and high pot.
[Jennifer Penton:] Can you check with the call, any mention of weapons?
[Unidentified Male Reporter:] It's on a dangerous block where recently a pregnant woman was shot to death at a party.
[Jennifer Penton:] We have no idea what is at fault. Who started it, what is going on or who we're there to protect. Back up, what the [bleep] are you doing? That's one of the most dangerous situations we can get in. Get out of here. Get out of here.
[Rogers:] Take the keys out.
[Jennifer Penton:] Down here.
[Rogers:] Someone said you got a gun. Put them right on the steering wheel.
[Jennifer Penton:] Take your left hand and slowly unlock the door.
[Rogers:] Do not move.
[Jennifer Penton:] Get out of the car.
[Rogers:] Get down on the [bleep] ground right now. Face down.
[Jennifer Penton:] Go. Hands behind your back.
[Rogers:] Who saw the gun? Who saw the gun? Who saw it? [Bleep].
[Unidentified Female:] Get out of the car.
[Unidentified Male:] Face down. Get out we'll lock you out. Get them inside. Pat them down?
[Unidentified Female:] I patted my guy down.
[Unidentified Male:] Who has the firearm? He did. Hang tight. You seem like the most reasonable guy right here I was trying I know.
[Unidentified Female:] You were here to see who?
[Unidentified Male:] I was here with him because his sister lives here.
[Unidentified Female:] What's the fight about?
[Unidentified Male:] I pissed off her baby's father. I don't even know Start smoking weed. My nephew tells them they have kids in the house. OK. I get in the middle, the driver hits me. The whole thing escalated. We're trying to find this guy. We need to know if he ditched it. What did you see? Someone said a gun
[Unidentified Female:] No gun. In that car. Get in the car, yes. Yes, he has the gun.
[Unidentified Male:] So you were saying he was in the car when he pointed the firearm at you? He was in the car.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] While the K9 team looks for the gun, Jen and Patt head back to the station to book the two suspects.
[Unidentified Female:] I spilled the water everywhere.
[Unidentified Male:] Did you spill the water on this?
[Unidentified Female:] No, I spilled it there.
[Unidentified Male:] Stop pressing buttons. Lights in the back are going on for no reason. Was it the whole water?
[Unidentified Female:] No, there's, still some water left.
[Unidentified Male:] Not touching it look at this. Like a Christmas tree. The whole thing just I'm going to have to get you a sippy cup.
[Nancy Dankers, Officer, Patrol:] Hello.
[Greg Dankers, Officer, Fugitive Unit:] Look who is home.
[Nancy Dankers:] What's going on?
[Greg Dankers:] Good morning.
[Nancy Dankers:] Good morning.
[Greg Dankers:] How was work?
[Nancy Dankers:] It was good.
[Greg Dankers:] My wife right now works what we call the midnight shift. She works 11:45 p.m. to 7:30 a.m. We have 4-year-old twin boys who already have different personalities. Greg tends to be a lot more outgoing and Adam tends to be a little shyer.
[Nancy Dankers:] I'll get socks and shoes.
[Greg Dankers:] Go, go, go.
[Nancy Dankers:] You got to get ready for school, OK.
[Greg Dankers:] My kids understand what we do for a living. If you ask them, they say mommy and daddy are police officers. They catch the bad guys, but I don't think they have a complete grasp of what we obviously do when we go to work. All right, bye, guys. Give me a kiss.
[Nancy Dankers:] Say bye Dada.
[Unidentified Male:] Is that dude from last year? Yes. Put on new stuff. In the hunt for Anthony Woodrow, street name, "Drop Rock." In the fugitive unit they get an unexpected lead.
[Joe Marrero, Officer, Fugitive Unit:] Some of his boys when they shot a video, there was license plates in the cars they were using. This is good. We know where he's hanging out.
[Unidentified Male:] The gang to help us. In the mall see what we find? A few hours later, the night gang unit steps in to assist in the hunt for Anthony Woodrow. They have intel that some local gangs will have a big presence at the hip-hop concert on Lance down street. They are going down there to shake up Woodrow's gang associates to help keep the pressure on. I don't know if you know or not but so far we've seen H-block, MHP and 214. I don't know if you want but so far we've seen Chill, chill, chill. Stop resisting. Stop resisting. The gang members refuse to cooperate. But the word is out on the street the cops are after "Drop Rock," and it's all part of Bankers strategy to convince Woodrow that his only safe house is the one that cops haven't visited yet, the home of his girlfriend. On patrol in Hyde Park, you never know what to expect in the wee hours of the morning. Still, he's not taken it, right?
[Unidentified Female:] No. Get off the phone. Why do you think it's OK to take your penis out of your pants on Hyde Park Avenue?
[Unidentified Male:] It's not right. I'm sorry. It's not OK.
[Unidentified Female:] Not even partially like blocked off.
[Unidentified Male:] ID?
[Unidentified Female:] You've been drinking?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, yes.
[Unidentified Female:] Where were you drinking?
[Unidentified Male:] At my job. So you live right there? Yes. You just couldn't make it home?
[Unidentified Female:] You couldn't piss in your own yard?
[Unidentified Male:] All right, we're good. Let's go. Don't say sorry to us. Say sorry to the tree. Assigned to night shift, Jen Penton spends her days searching for her twin sister, Melissa. A friend had seen Melissa in the city of Lynn just north of Boston.
[Unidentified Female:] I will head over to Lynn PD to see if they have information on her whereabouts. I'm trying to find out some information about my sister. Her name is Melissa Penton. P as in Peter, enton.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes. I can give you a view of the log.
[Unidentified Female:] That would be helpful, thank you.
[Unidentified Male:] OK, hold on a second.
[Unidentified Female:] Thank you.
[Unidentified Male:] She's in on the 24th, the middle of the week.
[Unidentified Female:] So it says she was bailed out. Does that mean she was arrested and bailed from the station or did she go right to court?
[Unidentified Male:] She should have been bailed right here from the station, yes.
[Unidentified Female:] OK. Just trying to figure out right now if she has any warrants or if she's on probation, kind of get track of her. Is this her new address?
[Unidentified Male:] That would be address she gave at the time of the booking.
[Unidentified Female:] OK. Thank you so much.
[Unidentified Male:] OK.
[Unidentified Female:] I'm very worried for my sister. I'm scared for her.
[Unidentified Male:] Using information from the Lynn Police Department, Jen Penton has made contact with her twin sister, Melissa, and today they will meet for the first time in almost two years.
[Unidentified Female:] There is things I want to say to her and things I think that she should hear. I think it will be difficult to swallow some of my anger and issues with her. I can't go in there and take on my police stance of controlling the situation because it's not like that. There is this pit in my stomach right now and I would say it's probably a lot of emotion, a lot of not knowing what to expect. There is my sister. Hi, Jen. Hi, how are you? How are you? Good. How were you? Good.
[Unidentified Male:] Hi. I'm Louis.
[Unidentified Female:] Jennifer, nice to finally meet you. See, she does look a lot like me, doesn't she? Just a little bit
[Unidentified Male:] Down. Is it Sylvain Street.
[Unidentified Female:] We'll go there. Bye. Specials right up top. Did you just cut your hair. A little bit ago. Where were you actually? Jail. You were? I thought mom said No, I just got out no, I was but that didn't work out the way it was supposed to. Yes, I got six months suspends, two years probation. I would rather do the six months and get it over with. You would rather go to jail for six months than stay on probation for four years. Tell me about program that you were in. We work eight hours a day. You know that's what most people work. I work 8.5 hours a day. That's what most people work. It wasn't really a good program. You've been to a ton of programs and never completed them. Have you? Anyway, tell me what you've been up to. You know I'm in Boston
[Pd. Unidentified Female:] Doing big things.
[Unidentified Female:] I work in narcotics. I want to do a lot of narcotic work. See, I can teach you something. I think you're right about that, hopefully not from present experience, hopefully from past experience. Yes. Anyway, where is my present from mom? My God, look at my son. He looks exactly like me. Yes. So, I have some good news. What? I when I went to go see Tristan and his new family. They were amazing and all about us being part of his life and having you in his life and everything and I think that if you wanted to set something up or if you wanted to go with me or mom or whoever, we could go see him. Yes, I definitely do. I want him to know me and not think I abandoned him and just left him, you know what I mean? I don't want him to be angry at me. If you want that, they are very willing. They want that. I definitely want to see him and see where he lives. You know when he gets older and able to talk, I want him to have my phone number and call me any time he wants. I don't know if they don't want me to call They do. They are amazing. Then you plan something out and if it doesn't work, you get disappointed. I don't like disappointment. I have enough disappointment in my life. I think addiction is a journey. It doesn't solve itself overnight. She could battle with this probably for the rest of her life. She has to want it for herself. I can't want it for her. My mom can't want it for her. Even her son can't want it for her.
[Greg Dankers:] I was in the U.S. Army for four years. I served in Desert Shield Desert Storm. The military prepared me for the police department. The military taught me be prepared, be ready. You don't know what's coming. When I first started with the Boston Police Department, we got a call for a person with a knife. I remember looking to my left, the suspect pulls his arms from under his shift and I'm like holy, holy big rusty machete and he started running towards me, never said a word. He wasn't even 2 feet behind me. He had the machete behind my head was going to split my head like a watermelon. Fired and kept running. He was down on the ground. That was it. He was done, one round. Every day that I go to work I think about that day because I know how fast things can get out of control, and how dangerous this job really is.
[Unidentified Male:] It's d-day for Greg Dankers and the hunt for drug dealer Anthony Woodrow. Dankers' has been carefully laying a trap, visiting every one of Woodrow's associates except for his girlfriend hoping he'll believe her apartment is the only safe place to hide.
[Dankers:] And this next address, she's the one that's been with him for years. It's cold and rainy. Maybe they will be snuggled in watching movies, eating popcorn and we can grab him, bam, time to go back to jail.
[Unidentified Male:] With fugitive units spread out across the city, today Dankers rides alone.
[Dankers:] This is the tan one on the left, the bricks. She's supposed to be in there on the third floor. So I'll just have to sit here. This is the woman that visited him the most in jail. Who is that dude? I like that.
[Unidentified Male:] While staking out the apartment of Anthony's girlfriend, Officer Greg Dankers spots a man leaving the building.
[Dankers:] Who is that dude? I like that. A black male walk out of this Rock Land, he looks good, but I couldn't see his face.
[Unidentified Male:] Want me to come down that way?
[Dankers:] Yes, he's on the street now. He's in a black jacket, blue jeans and a cap. He's getting in a black Mercedes. Get 37, anybody else close by to Rock Land and Dale? How far away are you guys? He might take off.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, Greg, we're like 10 minutes away, stand by. With no backup nearby, Dankers has to make a choice whether to move on the suspect by himself or let him go.
[Dankers:] Obviously, I know how dangerous this job is. He's a bad ass. He might dust himself off. I'm going to stick with him. Yes, you see me? Anybody else close by, anybody behind me? I need some backup now.
[Unidentified Male:] Which way is he heading?
[Dankers:] Taking a right on Warren up towards Grove Hall.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm right behind you.
[Dankers:] Pull in front of him, 2-1 stop.
[Unidentified Male:] Police, don't move, stay in the car.
[Dankers:] Put this window down.
[Unidentified Male:] Another back window.
[Dankers:] Anthony, right? Can I get a license, please? You have no id on you?
[Unidentified Male:] No, sir.
[Dankers:] Is your name really you're 44 years old.
[Unidentified Male:] The guy in the car says his name is Andre Epps, but Dankers isn't buying it.
[Dankers:] Let me see your tattoos. He didn't have any id on him. Your tattoos won't lie because I have pictures of those tattoos. Yes, it's him. We got him.
[Unidentified Male:] Come on, buddy, relax, right in this area.
[Dankers:] Tattoos, can't hide those tattoos.
[Unidentified Male:] OK, that's a positive.
[Dankers:] Grew a little beard, glasses on, tried to give me a fake name. This is good. Move onto the next case. I can honestly say now I don't take it home with me. I have to look at it like it's a game and I know I'll be lied to. I know somebody will try to assault me or someday somebody will try to kill me again, but I can't let that bother me.
[Unidentified Male:] Check this thing out. Let me know what it's like.
[Dankers:] I can't go home angry or mad or stressed out this guy hasn't been caught or that guy hasn't been caught. Obviously, my boys help me a lot. I get to escape through them, you know. Everybody in. That's the only people we can get in here. My kids, my family are a big part of helping me stay sane. Wow, wow, wow, what are you doing there? Doing this job you realize how life, how fragile life is.
[Unidentified Female:] As a police officer, it is a struggle knowing that my sister is on the other side of that line, the line I choose to stand on the right of. What is going on? Did you miss a court date, especially when I deal with people in similar situations like my sister that might have a warrant when I'm arresting them. What are these for?
[Unidentified Male:] Going to be out 20 arrests on another code 11.
[Unidentified Female:] When I talk to people battling addiction, they look at you with the most sad, hopeless look like they are outside of themselves. Like they are doing it but don't want to. Been drinking this morning? Last night?
[Unidentified Male:] Couple last night.
[Unidentified Female:] It's awful to think about and then put someone that you care about, put someone that is your family in that situation. It's really difficult to deal with that. Out on the street when we're dealing with people, they look at us and they look at the police as these robot faces that just don't understand and I get that a lot. I get you don't understand, and what do you know about my situation? I do know. I seen personally what drugs and crime can do to a family, and there are things that you can do in life and choices that you can make to get you away from where you were brought up. I know more than anything that you can change and that you can, you know, and turn your life around if you want to.

[Grace:] And live, West Alexandria, a blazing fire burns a family home to the ground. But it`s only in the early morning hours when mommy rolls up from a night of partying that mom of two, Chastity Hall, tells firefighters, her two little children are in that home. Malachi and Malea, both dead while mommy out partying and getting totally drunk.
[Unidentified Male:] We have two children that we believe died in the fire.
[Unidentified Reporter:] When crews got to the 3400 Block of 35 East, the floor of the home had already collapsed. Firefighters had no idea there might be people inside.
[Unidentified Male:] And Hall was charged with two counts of felony child endangering. Do I think there`s should be more? Yes. Hopefully, she ends up being more because so she deserve. She left her kids home alone.
[Grace:] With me 1st Two Fire Chief Jeff Shaper with the West Alexandria Fire Department. Chief, thank you for being with us.
[Jeff Shafer, West Alexandria Fire Department Chief:] Thank you.
[Grace:] Chief, I`ve handled a lot of arson cases, which are difficult because first you got to prove there was actually a crime. That it wasn`t an accident. You were there at the scene of the fire. What did you observe, Chief Shafer?
[Shafer:] Well, upon arrival, we encountered a single story residential fully involved. The fire had reached the roof and the entire roof and floor had already collapsed.
[Grace:] How long do you think it took for that to happen?
[Shafer:] I`m thinking that the fire had to have a start of a good hours or so before arrival.
[Grace:] Were you there, Chief Shafer, when the mom rolls in?
[Shafer:] Yes. Actually, we were approved, we`re just mopping up and a car pulled in the driveway and she got out screaming that my kids were in there. At that time, I grabbed her and looked at her and I asked her if her children were still in there. And she said, yes. So yes.
[Grace:] Well, the place was already being did you say mopped up when the mom shows up?
[Shafer:] Yes. Well, we were actually rolling hose and actually, my mutual aid crews and our crews were getting ready to return to station.
[Grace:] With me is Melissa Neeley, anchor with "WLW." Melissa, what more can you tell us?
[Melissa Neeley, Wlw Anchor:] Well, we know that earlier that evening, Chastity Hall went to her parents` home. And it was at that time she first left the two children a home alone. And their home was like five miles away from where she lived. And she didn`t return until 2:00 o`clock in the morning. Then when she saw they were sleeping, she decided that she would put on her makeup and go out and party. And then, we know that she was at two bars and she did not return home until almost 7:00 o`clock in the morning. And that is when she came home to the devastation.
[Grace:] With me, Dr. Vincent DiMaio, forensic pathologist renounced medical examiner out of San Antonio. Dr. DiMaio, will we be able to tell if these two children died of smoke inhalation or were they burned to death?
[Dr. Vincent Dimaio, M.d., Former Chief Medical Examiner, Bexar County, Forensic Pathologist:] Most likely, they died of smoke inhalation. Because the smoke gets to you before the fire. They`ll do an analysis of the blood for carbon monoxide and examine the lungs for soot.
[Grace:] And Robert Rowe, how would be able to tell if it was arson or if it was the fire started innocently?
[Robert Rowe, Fire Expert:] Well, you know, I conduct interviews with the occupants not the occupants but family and neighbors will be key a key factor in the determination as to the cause of the fire, whether it`s accidental or arson.
[Grace:] Chief Shafer, could you tell that the mom smell like alcohol?
[Shafer:] I actually, at that point, Nancy, I was my focus was entirely on the children. I my medic crews did observe or smell alcohol on her breath.
[Grace:] Chief Shafer, I feel just so, so bad for the children and for your firefighters. Everyone, let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Captain Jason Hamill, 31, Salem, Connecticut. Studied engineering, UConn, loved renovating his home. Was one of a set of triplets. Parents Richard and Sharon, three siblings, widow Karen. Jason Hamill, American Hero. A special good night from friends Ruth, Wendy and Sharon. Aren`t they beautiful? Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend. END

[Blitzer:] Let's get back to our coverage of the Amtrak train derailment in Philadelphia. Investigators are focusing right now on the train's speed, 106 miles an hour around a 50 mile-per-hour curve at the time of the crash. But according to the engineer's attorney, he spoke to ABC earlier today, the engineer doesn't remember everything about the crash.
[Goggin:] We know the fact that the train was going at an excessive speed, but the reasons why are still to be determined.
[Unidentified Male:] We know the emergency brake was hit but has your client given you an explanation as to why the train was going so fast?
[Goggin:] He has not. He has I believe as a result of the concussion, he has absolutely no recollection whatsoever of the events. I'm told that his memory is likely to return as the concussion symptoms subside.
[Blitzer:] Let's bring in our analysts, our experts joining us now. Mary Schiavo, she's an aviation and transportation expert, also the former inspector general of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Peter Goelz is joining us, the Aviation Analyst, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board. And Paul Ginsburg, forensic audio expert, who cited numerous federal accident investigations. Peter, we know the speed. That's pretty much determined, right? So give us the checklist that investigators for the NTSB are going to be using as they take a closer look at the engineer who was in the locomotive at the time.
[Peter Goelz, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, Wolf, first they're going to look at his schedule over the past 72 hours or more to make sure that he had the appropriate rest, that he wasn't fatigued. They're going to subpoena and pull his phone records to make sure he was not texting or on a cell phone. They're going to pull his medical record and see whether he was taking any medication, whether he had any lingering medical issues, and they're going to review his operational record. Was he familiar with this route? Had he had any problems in the past? Had he ever been censured for, you know, violation of company rules? They will go over this guy with a fine tooth comb.
[Blitzer:] He was a young guy, only, what, 32 years old. A limited amount of experience as well. On that point, Paul, take us inside what the investigators are looking at. They've discovered that so-called black box. How much information can they glean from that?
[Paul Ginsberg, Forensic Audio Expert:] Well, the black box is something like a flight data recorder and flight communications recorder as well. It's two in one. It gives us date, time, GPS location, direction, speed, and then a number of variables as to how the controls in the cabin were set. That is throttle, brake, horn activation, bell. There's something called a reverser switch and a power cut-off. All of these data pieces are put together. And in addition, when they do get the cell phone, they will go over it with forensic software to determine whether anything had been deleted and compare that to telephone company records. So there's a lot of data coming in.
[Blitzer:] Mary, we know there was a video camera in front of the train seeing what was it, going on in front, but there was no camera inside the locomotive to take a look at the engineer, for example, and what was going inside there. Even though for years a lot of experts have said there should be cameras inside. Why aren't there cameras inside?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well because of a misguided notion that you have an expectation of privacy in the cab of a train or the cockpit of an aircraft, and you don't. There have been a lot of worker representatives and worker unions that have said that's an invasion of an expectation of privacy, and it simply isn't. We have cameras on the clerks at the Seven-11, you know, every banks, et cetera. And so, in many ways, it's just been push-back from the representatives of the employees. But I think it's absolutely imperative and it has been for years. And we were talking about this back on September 11, 2001, how a camera in the cockpit there, just like in the train cab here, would have made, perhaps, all the difference in the world.
[Blitzer:] And, Peter, you agree with Mary on this, right?
[Goelz:] Absolutely. There is no reason not to have cab facing cameras in our railroad system. It would help investigators and it, as Mary said, it is not an invasion of privacy.
[Blitzer:] And, Peter, these positive train control systems that would automatically prevent a train from going too fast into a dangerous curve, there's supposed to be in effect throughout the northeast corridor by the end of this year. And this area of Philadelphia, they certainly were not in place yet. We're showing our viewers this whole area. It's supposed to be in effect by the end of the year. Why is it taking so long and why are some now saying it's going to take a whole lot longer, maybe through until 2020?
[Goelz:] Well, I'm not sure it's going to take much longer in the northeast corridor. Amtrak has said they're going to get it done this year. But it is a far more complex challenge technology from a technology standpoint. We have numerous railroads you know there were the six major freight lines. We have numerous passenger lines. We have numerous short lines. There's no single technology coming off the shelf that you go out and purchase and say, all right, this is the PTC system we're going to have. They're switching their communications and their signalization of all these lines are different. It's been a tremendous challenge. The government has spent billions. The railroads have spent billions. It is it just hasn't come together in the time frame that Congress has wanted.
[Blitzer:] And, Paul, you know, do you have any doubt, and you've been involved in a lot of these investigations, that in the end we will know precisely why this occurred, we'll be able to draw important lessons from it, even if the engineer, we don't know if the engineer is going to cooperate or not cooperate, but let's say the engineer decides to lawyer up and not cooperate, will the public still have full knowledge of what happened?
[Ginsberg:] Well, as Peter said, we do not have any microphone in the cab of the train, unfortunately. I've worked on cases where I had to enhance recordings made from the external microphone to try to pick up what happened in the cab. It's very difficult because the outdoor notice is horrendous at that speed. Will we ever know? We will know exactly how the controls were set and at what point. We'll know the exact speed to the tenth of a mile per hour. And we'll have video from the front-looking camera, again, that is not swivel-able. And we'll know all of that data and hopefully there'll be some additional input from the cell phone and from the engineer himself. And that's what we can hope for.
[Blitzer:] Let's hope let's hope. Paul Ginsberg, Peter Goelz, Mary Schiavo, guys, thanks very much for joining us. Coming up, more than 700 potential terror suspects have travel to Syria to fight or support ISIS and authorities now believe nearly half of them have returned to the United Kingdom, and may be trying to take direct attacks launch direct attacks there. We have details when we come back.

[Grace:] And now to North Carolina, in the last hours, detectives seize Yahoo! and Internet records when a wife is found dead in her home. At first thought to be a scene that looks to be suicide. She`s in bed, dead, holding the gun in her left hand. One problem, she`s right handed.
[Unidentified Male:] At first, cops assume that Sarah Long had committed suicide.
[Unidentified Female:] Found shot in the head in an upstairs bedroom after a man who claimed to be her lover contacted police and said he hadn`t heard from her.
[Unidentified Male:] According to police a man who claimed to be Long`s lover came forward and told him that she`s been depressed.
[Unidentified Female:] Medical examiner said evidence did not suggest suicide.
[Unidentified Male:] Now police are conducting a suspicious death investigation as they try to determine exactly how Sarah Long died.
[Grace:] OK, Pat Lalama, investigative reporter, she`s dead in bed. It reminds me of a murder I prosecuted while back where we found, once I got to the crime lab, we put the sheets, the woman found dead in bed committed suicide, we put the sheets up in front of a light, a light bulb, and noticed that there was blood spatter under where her pillow had been. Impossible. So blood spatter can`t get under your pillow while you`re lying on it and you shoot yourself in the head. So in this case, she is she ambidextrous? Did she shoot herself with a left hand, although everybody says she`s right handed? What do we know?
[Pat Lalama, Investigation Discovery:] Well, what we do know is that this has got the makings of a made-for-TV movie because check it out, as you mention, she`s right handed, she`s not ambidextrous and by the way, Nancy, not a drop of blood on the hand. That`s a little suspicious but then it even gets weirder because the way cops found her, some gentleman called and said, I`m really worried about my friend Sarah Long, please go check on her, and that`s how they find the body. But then he calls them up the next day and says OK, I have all this stuff I need to get off my chest. I was having a secret affair with Sarah and she was very depressed. She had cancer and I was trying to help her and she`s been very suicidal and she has an abusive ex-husband and gee whiz, we just couldn`t tell anybody because we`re both married. And then of course the plot thickens.
[Grace:] OK. Hold on. Hold on. So are I heard the emphasis on gentleman. Are you suggesting that he waited and waited and waited for somebody to find her dead body and when nobody did, he finally called police himself?
[Lalama:] Well, they believe that she had died three days approximately three days prior to discovery. So perhaps he sat and sat, if in fact, this is all very suspicious. In fact, he sat and sat, OK, now it`s time to call police because gee, I`m really worried about my friend. And it`s really quite an interesting case because he claims that about a month before she died that she had a gun to her head and she wanted to blow her brains out because she had this cervical cancer. And by the way, Nancy, the doctor disputes any such thing about cervical cancer and then, if I might go on.
[Grace:] OK. Wait. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Let me absorb that.
[Lalama:] OK.
[Grace:] Dr. Michelle Dupre, two questions to you medical examiner, forensic pathologist joining me out of Colombia. Dr. Dupre, number one, there`s a big difference between cervical dysplasia, which is what she apparently had, which is you have abnormal cells, that over time may turn into cancer. What you do with that is you just laser it off or lop it off. All right. And two, what`s all the business about there was no blood on her left hand? Why is that so significant?
[Dr. Michelle Dupre, M.d., Medical Examiner And Forensic Pathologist:] Well, Nancy, usually in suicides, you`re going to find a little bit of blood spatter or back spatter on the hand that is holding the gun. The fact she was right handed and the left hand was holding the gun, that in and of itself is suspicious. So we just take a look everything. The other interesting part is, sometimes we do find people who commit suicide, they will use their non-dominant hand to pull the trigger but then they will steady the gun with their dominant hand. In her case it would have been her right hand. She didn`t do either of that.
[Grace:] OK. Joining me right now is Joe Marusak with "The Charlotte Observer". Joe, thank you for being with us. What more do you know? By the way, no one has been charged and there is not a person of interest or such person of interest or suspect named in this case. Go ahead, Joe.
[Joe Marusak, Reporter, Charlotte Observer:] That`s correct, Nancy, although the boyfriend is mentioned in several of the police search warrants, the police have not named a suspect in the case. I want to point that out. What we`re at now is the phase where they are doing a lot of electronic investigation part. They`ve they say that they got a search warrant to search Sarah Long`s wireless router, AT&T wireless router, which was on in her townhouse at the time police say she was killed. So what would that wireless router do? It could identify any other electronics, including those of male subject that police say was seen entering her townhouse with her that night.
[Grace:] OK. Hold on. Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining me out of Raleigh. Now when you walk into someone`s home and you`ve got your iPad or your iPhone with you, you don`t have to join their network? Is this set up so whenever anybody comes, it immediately will show up on the person`s iPhone or iPad?
[Ben Levitan, Telecommunications Expert:] Well, Nancy, when you have a wireless device whether it`s a cell phone or an iPad or anything, you`re going to connect to the strongest signal that`s around and you`re going to register to that device. Now if you walk into the house and the strongest signal is her Wi-Fi router there, you`ll attempt to register. You probably won`t be granted access but the router may have when they look at this router, it may have a collection of what they call, you know, serial numbers of the devices that could be tracked traced back to a specific subscriber, even though he didn`t use that router. And if it`s somebody who regularly goes to that house, he may have the codes and he may have been attached but that router should have a list of device serial numbers that can be tracked back to specific phones and specific devices that may be registered to the subjects.
[Grace:] Unleash the lawyers, joining me out of New York. Michael Mazzariello, defense attorney. Out of Miami, Yale Galanter, defense attorney. All right, Yale, rut-row. Sounds like the perp may have gone in her home. A, she`s not ambidextrous. She did not shoot herself with her left hand. She`s found holding the gun, and Yale, she`s lying there in bed with the gun perfectly in her hand posed on her chest. Now you know with the jolt, the shock of a gun being fired, your hand will fly out, not lie in repose with the gun still in your dead hand on your chest, number one. But number two, what do you think about what Ben Levitan just explained? You walk in somebody`s home with your iPhone or iPad, it`s going to leave a trail on the person`s router.
[Yale Galanter, Defense Attorney:] Well, that`s true. I mean, we live in a society where electronics will identify where you`re at and how you`re there. But this case is the classic cause of death-manner of death. For the prosecutors to bring a case, Nancy, as you well know, they`ve got to prove what was the cause of death. Was this a self-inflicted wound or was this a wound inflicted by somebody else? And in order to get out of the gate with the prosecution, they`ve got to have this be a homicide, as opposed to a suicide and then build the case from there. Whether or not it was the boyfriend or something else, that evidence will develop, but the science really has to tell us whether what the cause of death was here.
[Grace:] Hold on. Wait, wait, wait.
[Galanter:] And right now we just don`t know that.
[Grace:] Now hold on, gentlemen. Let`s not mislead the viewers because medical examiners, when they are determining cause and manner of death can look outside the forensics in the dead body to determine whether, for instance, there was arson, whether this was suicide or homicide. They don`t have to just look at the body alone. The fact that they now know she`s not left-handed, that changes everything, Maz, everything.
[Michael Mazzariello, Deference Attorney:] No, I agree with the pathologist you had on before with from Colombia. Sometimes it does happen where they use the opposite hand, depending on the caliber of the gun of the bullet, maybe there was no blood.
[Grace:] Put him up. Put him up. Put him up. Michael Mazzariello
[Mazzariello:] Depending on the caliber of the gun.
[Grace:] You`re saying sometimes.
[Mazzariello:] A very good evening to you, Nancy. Very good evening.
[Grace:] Sometimes, when? Name me one case. I love it when you defense attorneys go well, there are cases that blah, blah, blah, blah.
[Mazzariello:] Nancy, you have
[Grace:] But you never can name one.
[Mazzariello:] You had a doctor on that just said that it`s not unusual
[Grace:] I`m asking you.
[Mazzariello:] Well, I I know for a fact of several suicides where they used to
[Grace:] Name one.
[Mazzariello:] I`m not at liberty to do that, Nancy. But they use their opposite hand and we`ve done many homicides where there was no blood on the hand. None. Not a trickle. And if there was blood, why didn`t the cops act on it immediately?

[Tapper:] He was one of the most popular popes in modern history. And now there's word coming out of the Vatican that John Paul II is one critical step closer to sainthood. CNN's Brian Todd is here with details. Brian, what can you tell me?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] We know this is likely going to happen soon. You know, Pope John Paul II did have a knack for capturing the world's attention. He was essentially the first rock star in the papacy. So to many Vatican watchers, it is no surprise that he is fast-tracked for sainthood.
[Todd:] At his funeral, thousands chanted "Santos Subito," "Sainthood Now," a tribute to John Paul II, maybe the most popular pope in the modern history of the Catholic Church. It's now eight years later, and it's about as close to sainthood now as you can get.
[John Allen, Cnn Vatican Analyst:] For an institution that typically thinks in terms of centuries, this is remarkably quick.
[Todd:] CNN Vatican analyst John Allen says, according to Vatican insiders who spoke unofficially, a second miracle had been performed by John Paul posthumously, a miracle that will likely make him a saint.
[Allen:] In this case, the Vatican is saying that there is a report of a miraculous healing of a woman in Costa Rica.
[Todd:] Allen says, according to the reports, the woman recovered from a severe brain injury. Church protocol says it takes two miracles performed after death to make someone a saint. John Paul's first, curing a nun who reportedly had Parkinson's, led to his beatification, the final step before sainthood. If a second miracle then happens...
[Patrick Kelly, Executive Director, John Paul Ii Shrine:] And a team of doctors first examine the miracle, then secondly, the team of theologians look at the miracles. And then they discuss amongst themselves the legitimacy and all the facts surrounding the miracles.
[Todd:] John Allen says that's already happened. Then a body of cardinals has to approve sainthood. And finally the pope signs off on it. The record for the fastest canonization in modern times: Jose Maria Escriva, founder of the conservative order of Opus Dei, made a saint 27 years after his death. John Paul could shatter that. [on camera]: But there are critics who say "not so fast" on canonization. They say, despite being so beloved, John Paul II didn't live up to expectations at a crucial moment in the church's history, a moment of shame that church leadership is still dealing with. [voice-over]: A crippling sex abuse scandal, involving thousands of victims, with several church leaders accused of cover-ups.
[Allen:] The wrath against John Paul in terms of the sex abuse scandals is basically that this stuff metastasized during his papacy, and he didn't respond adequately to it.
[Todd:] I put that to the archbishop of Washington, Cardinal Donald Wuerl. [on camera]: What do you say to those people?
[Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop Of Washington, D.c:] His ministry was so clearly a ministry of concern for everyone. Now, when you're presiding over a worldwide church with over a billion members, surely there are going to be things that happen over which you don't have a lot of control or maybe no control.
[Todd:] Cardinal Wuerl and others say the measure of a saint is not the list of accomplishments versus setbacks but actually how holy the person was. John Allen says at this point it is very likely that Pope Francis will approve the sainthood of John Paul II Jake.
[Tapper:] And Brian, what do we know about the time able when this would happen?
[Todd:] John Allen says this could come as early as October of this year; if it comes late, next year. Either way he obliterates the record for the fastest canonization. It's incredible. He's that popular, and this is going to happen.
[Tapper:] A beloved figure at the Vatican. Thank you so much, Brian Todd. Also at the Vatican the thrill of a lifetime for a 17-year-old with Down Syndrome. He and his father were speaking with Pope Francis after yesterday's general audience, when the pontiff invited him to sit in the Popemobile. The young man was all smiles as he took a seat and was swung around by the pope himself who let the teen spend a while onboard. There's angry reaction today to the new apology from a group that claimed it could help gay Christians become straight. CNN's Nick Valencia has an update on the stunning end to a 37-year mission that failed.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] It billed itself as the largest evangelical ministry for what it called "freedom from homosexuality through Christ." And now it says it's closing its doors. For decades, Exodus International endorsed the controversial convergent therapy or the idea that homosexuality is a disorder that could be cured. Some who have gone through the debunked, now defunct, reparative therapy say it's psychologically harmful in a special on Oprah Winfrey's cable network tonight.
[Unidentified Male:] No matter how many times I pleaded with God to take this away from me, I couldn't do it on my own.
[Unidentified Female:] You are responsible.
[Unidentified Male:] The organization needs to shut down. Shut down. Don't tweak it. Don't try to improve it. Shut it down.
[Valencia:] The shift by Exodus comes as a surprise to many. As recently as 2007 Alan Chambers, the organization's president, seemed to support the therapy.
[Alan Chambers, President, Exodus International:] For someone to simply think that going from gay to straight is like flipping a light switch, that's something that we want to correct at every turn.
[Valencia:] Today's apology on Oprah's network coincides with the ministry's annual conference and was in advance of the ministry's appearance on Oprah's OWN network, where it will apologize to some of its members for undue judgment. At one time the ministry's president, Alan Chambers, announced he was gay. Now with a wife and children, Chambers in a statement addresses the irony and offers an apology. "It is strange to be someone who has both been hurt by the church's treatment of the LGBT community and also to be someone who must apologize for being part of the very system of ignorance that perpetuated that hurt," he said. Exodus says the decision was to appeal to a new generation of Christians who want change. But Andrew Comiskey, former director of an Exodus ministry, believes chambers is pandering to the change in church culture.
[Andrew Comiskey, Former Director Of An Exodus Ministry:] I think it's not only confusing. I think it's wrong in light of the origins of Exodus and what its original mission was. And so he's basically taking Exodus in a whole other direction and in light of his own vision of what it now is supposed to be.
[Valencia:] Jake, Exodus International may be closing its doors, but the ministry's president says he plan on opening a new ministry called Reduced Fear, and it will aim at being more welcoming Jake.
[Tapper:] All right. Nick Valencia, thank you so much. In just a minute, Jeanne Moos takes us to some of Tony Soprano's old stomping grounds to show us how folks are paying tribute to the actor who played him.

[Unidentified Female:] Does your office expect an appeal beyond the automatic essay peer view?
[Thomas Quinn, District Attorney, Bristol County, Massachusetts:] First-degree murder is the automatic appeal. Beyond that, I would have I wouldn't know.
[Unidentified Female:] Do you intend to fully prosecute the two other men who were charged with murder in this case?
[Quinn:] They're co-defendants. Their matters are coming up for review next month and the prosecution of them will go forward.
[Unidentified Male:] Is there changes, theoretically, to the agreement now that the joint venture theory held up?
[Quinn:] I would say this, I don't really want to get involved in talking about the other two co-defendants because those are pending cases. You sat through the evidence in the case. I mean, that's all hypothetical. I think we want to focus on this case and the successful conclusion of it.
[Unidentified Female:] Anything about the judge's order asking Ursula not to cry on the stand? Something you couldn't talk about at the time when now that it's over?
[Quinn:] Well, I think the judge conducted a fair and orderly proceeding. I think that I see victims and witnesses become emotional on the stand throughout trials. And I think it's appropriate if it's if it's natural and not done that in a way that would detract from her testimony, it would be appropriate for her to express her emotions when she testifies.
[Unidentified Male:] Mr. Quinn The judge threw out a lot of evidence you guys brought. Obviously, at the time, that hurt your case. But now, going forward, that theoretically helps in the appealable issue. Now, there's the appealable issues are much [Inaudible.]
[Quinn:] Well, obviously, any evidence that was excluded is not going to be the subject of an appeal. The appellate process takes care of itself. Automatic appeal first-degree murder, that's for another day. We feel that we tried a good case and presented the evidence in an appropriate and proper fashion.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you think Aaron Hernandez gets it? Do you think he got it today when that verdict was read?
[Quinn:] I don't know. I think when they put when you are taken away and they say life in prison without parole, someone's got to respond to that. There's got to there's got to be some response but I don't know if he got it.
[Unidentified Male:] Are you guys prepared for the possibility
[Quinn:] Suffolk has their pending cases has their case pending. They're dealing with it. Certainly, if this if there's any information we have that could be of assistance, we'll work with them.
[Unidentified Male:] Mr. Quinn, can we hear from Mr. McCullough?
[Quinn:] You can.
[William Mccauley, Prosecutor:] I don't have much to say substantively about the case, but I did just want to thank the jury for the verdict. It's obviously been a long trial and it was quite, I'm sure, an inconvenience for them in their lives to commit this kind of time. We felt like we had their attention every day, both the prosecution and the defense. They fairly considered the evidence. And they've returned a verdict that's supported by that evidence. So, we're very grateful for their commitment. And Odin Lloyd's family, these ladies here who you saw sitting in the front row every day, they were committed to seeing this thing through and for trusting in the process and trusting in that the jury would deliver a fair verdict. And I think they're very satisfied with that. We're very grateful and actually drew strength from their commitment to show up every day and let the process play out as it would. So, I'm very grateful for the jury. And also, as you recall, when we started the case, we had just lost our district attorney who went on to be the mayor of this great city. And I wanted to thank, again, the governor and the lieutenant governor for the appointment of Thomas Quinn. He was absolutely the right man for the job, and he was part of the team. And it was important to keep the team intact because we had come so far working on the case and it really has been a team effort. And I'm very grateful for all the agencies that have been involved in this, and I couldn't even name them all for you. It would take too long. Obviously, the chief of North Attleboro is here with us and the state police. But this was a multistate investigation and there was so many agencies who committed time and resources and personnel to follow up on leads for us, and our partners at Suffolk County D.A.'s office, U.S. Attorney's office, the ATF, et cetera. So, good results. Just results come from collaborative efforts by agencies working together and that's what happened in this case. So, I'm very grateful for that.
[Unidentified Female:] Tell me about the challenge of putting all of that evidence together in a comprehensive
[Mccauley:] It at the end of the case, you see the district attorney's office, the prosecutors. I said this earlier inside to part of the people who were involved. A thousand hands touched this case. And at the end of the case, we're standing here and it would have been an impossible task for me alone to have handled all the evidence trying to bring it all together. I've had great assistance, Pat Bomberg, Brian Griffin, the officers assigned to the case, Jeremiah Donovan, Eric Benson. Jennifer Purcell is someone who works in our office. She's really the one who pulled it all together for us. And so, too many people to thank. I think they know who they are. But never could have done it without again, we're here at the end, but there's so many people who are have contributed to the success of this case. And we're very grateful because we know it brings some small measure of peace to the family and the homicides are the most serious cases that we deal with. But the idea that somebody was targeted in this case, I think you heard the evidence, there were 35 people who went to that scene before anybody knew who was involved. And they were from a variety of agencies. They were there just doing their job. Homicides, there have been a commitment by this district attorney and Sam Sutter, the prior district attorney, to fully investigate every homicide. We've done that. In this case, we've done that and other cases every other case. So, I'm proud of the work that goes into these cases. Again, we never get to this result without the commitment of so many people, so I'm grateful to that.
[Unidentified Male:] Bill, you
[Unidentified Female:] Bill
[Unidentified Male:] Bill, you had Bill Bill, you've gotten to know this family very well. Is a decision like this feel personal in a way?
[Mccauley:] It's definitely personal. I have gotten to know this family. And, again, we, myself, drew strength from just the dignity and the class and the commitment that they showed to let this go out. And there's a responsibility that we have to make sure that we do everything [INAUDIBLE.] And while I'm talking about that, I just wanted to thank my family. And I know I speak for everybody else, people sell people make sacrifices. We made a sacrifice in because we were committed to seeing this thing through. And, as a result, our families, wives, kids, significant others, sometimes we're not there for them. And but I'm very grateful to them, because they understand that we've been so blessed in our lives. And when something some tragedy like this happens to another family, we're committed to try and do everything we can. And that, sometimes, means we have to make sacrifices. So, this has been a wonderful family to get to know. And Odin Lloyd, he was a special person. Everything I've heard about him, they don't make young men like that. He was didn't a father, that story I heard early on. About the last occasion he had to see his mother, really touched us. That he was saying, you know, happy father's day because he didn't have a father in his life and, in fact, it was his mother who raised him. And raised him to be the kind of person who was respectful and appreciated what he had. You heard his uncle, his Uncle Vaughn, say he couldn't give him anything. He wanted to earn it. And so, he rode his bike every day to work as a landscaper. I think it was a great contrast between two young men, the defendant, who had so much, so much ability, so much talent, money, all the things that everyone thinks you need. And then, you had Odin Lloyd who didn't want that. He didn't want that given to him. He was going to earn it. He didn't have the athletic talent but he loved football. And continued to play football and that's the kind of person he was. And so, yes, I did get to know this family and that made it easier for us to commit what we thought we had to commit to bring this result about.
[Unidentified:] Mr.
[Mccauley:] We had great confidence in the case that we put together. And any time you charge somebody with a homicide, you don't make that decision lightly. This decision wasn't made lightly. We intended to see the case through. And so, when we charged him, we believed in the case. And obviously, there was the evidence. People can you've heard the evidence. The jury obviously agreed with that so I'm satisfied with it.
[Unidentified Male:] Say, Bill? Bill, you no murder weapon. You had no eyewitness. But you stood up there in closing arguments and pointed at Aaron Hernandez and said, he pulled the trigger. Talk to me about where your confidence in that statement comes from?
[Mccauley:] Well, I'm not going to I appreciate the question. It's a very good question. But we're respectful of where we are in the case. We've had one defendant who's been tried, two to go. You know, obviously, it was a circumstantial case and a joint a joint venture that we argued to the jury. And I'm not going to say too much more because these other cases have to play out and we'll obviously
[Unidentified Male:] Just two more questions.
[Mccauley:] You get two more.
[Unidentified Female:] Bill, how could
[Unidentified Male:] What went through your head when you heard guilty?
[Mccauley:] It's quite a relief. It's quite a relief. And, again, part of this there's a personal component but what we're doing in our jobs is we're the front person and we have so many people who are counting on us to bring about a successful result. There's the family that I want to bring some measure of peace to them and some closure. But there's the team that we represent, all the people who have work so hard. And it's not something I take lightly. And so, it was quite a great relief to hear the jury, to have them acknowledge what we believe to be the case, that Aaron Hernandez committed the murder of Odin Lloyd.
[Unidentified Female:] Bill, looking back at the trial, how did the status as a Patriots' player impact you and present challenges to you as a prosecutor?
[Mccauley:] Well, I think the district attorney hit it right on the right on the head. This case was not about the Patriot player. This was just about a murder occurring, a brutal senseless murder and that this defendant, Aaron Hernandez, should be treated like anyone else. And we impanelled a jury, and asked those questions, can you treat him like any other citizen? And I was really grateful that I didn't think that really played into the case, the celebrity aspect of it. And I again, I'll second my appreciation to you, the media, for the respect and the restraint you showed us, the family. I know you're here to do a job, but the process worked. And it worked because it wasn't there wasn't a circus-like atmosphere to the presentation of this case. And that was important. And I think the jurors were professional. They didn't they focused on the evidence. They showed up. They were serious about it. And, obviously, that shows in their verdict. So, thank you very much. I'm sorry, I didn't get that.
[Unidentified Female:] When you arrested him, you only charged him. There were three men in the car. Why was that
[Mccauley:] I'm sorry, I can't answer that question at this time. But I'm going to turn it over. Thank you very much.
[Unidentified Male:] Can we hear from some of the other family members? Ladies, can we hear can we hear your reaction?
[Unidentified Female:] And right now, we are seeing Ursula Ward. She is the woman there in purple. And here comes Odin Lloyd's sister, his younger sister, who also spoke passionately.
[Olivia Thibou:] I just wanted to say thank you, again, as my mom said to the jurors and to what we call our dream team, behind us, who's put so much work into seeing this through. Thank you for everyone who's reached out to us, mail, social networks, prayers. Just people letting us know that they were there for us. As I said before, in my impact statement, it kind of doesn't feel like we're here. We're living in a dream world and then still have to face reality where it doesn't seem like Odin is not here. It just seems like a day that we haven't had a chance to speak to him. I don't think that we will ever come to grips with the fact that he's not here. Somebody that you're used to seeing every day, somebody that you're used to speaking to, someone just who calls just to say they're you know, what your you know, what are you doing? I don't think that anyone can actually grasp the fact. And we'll never be able to sit and actually come to grips that he's not here. It's just, you know, another day that Odin isn't here and it's another day that family has to deal with.
[Unidentified Male:] I've often wondered, how are you guys staying so strong? [Inaudible.]
[Thibou:] Prayers. Prayers and each other. We come from a strong knit family and this has just brought us stronger together. Just to hear, I love you, every day from your mom or from your sister or cousin who calls just to let you know that, you know, they're there for you. I don't think there's any other way that we could have gotten through it.
[Unidentified Male:] Are you able to give the forgiveness that your mom is that something
[Thibou:] I'm not as strong as my mom yet. So, eventually, that time will come.
[Unidentified Female:] You just Describe how you felt when you
[Thibou:] Unfortunately, I I wasn't able to sit in court when the verdict was read. I was on my way here. But it was a sign of relief. I screamed. I cried. And then the first person that called me was my sister, Shakil, and the first thing she said in tears was "I love you." And that was the best feeling that we've had in a long time.
[Unidentified Male:] Can you talk about Shaneah's connection with your family? She's been here most of the day sitting right next to
[Thibou:] I bring her here because I love her like she's my sister and anybody that knows, I go on vacations with her. She's not that talkative. But she's definitely a member of the family. And my mom always says her girls and her girls refers to Shakil, Shaneah and
[I. Unidentified Male:] Would you say this has brought you guys together?
[Thibou:] Yes. And I love her because she loved Odin and I know Odin loved her.
[Unidentified Male:] You said she's not a talker, but I have to ask her, how
[Thibou:] Thank you.
[Unidentified Male:] Olivia Olivia, one more Olivia, can you say anything about how Shakil felt about not being able to tell
[Feyerick:] And the family right now walking away. They have said their peace. Ursula Ward saying the thing she'll miss most about her son is his smile. The D.A. Thomas Quinn spoke. Also the prosecutor who many thought had an uphill battle on this. But so much of the evidence was circumstantial. But he said that the verdict was quite a relief. And then you heard from Odin Lloyd's sister. Very powerful. In court she reminded the judge that since his death, both she and her sister have each had children, children that Odin Lloyd will never know. And she said, I now have to go to his grave and look at his tomb stone in order to tell him I love him. Now joining me now is CNN correspondent Jean Casarez, who's also really been following up on this case. And, Jean, what's fascinating is the defense tried to make it seem as if Aaron Hernandez was simply along for the ride, that he had no role in this, but it seems the jury bought the prosecution argument was that not only was he along for the ride, he was the one who was the ring leader, the one at the wheel of the car, the one who got the gun, the one also who called his friends and then essentially carried out this murder.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] And that is really the definition of a circumstantial case, right, because they had the text messages, they had the telephone pinging, they had the video surveillance inside the house that we see now that jurors believe that he was holding that gun. You know, early on in this case, one of the jurors was dismissed because she said, there's not a murder weapon and without a murder weapon I can't convict someone. Well, this jury today said they didn't need that murder weapon. That they looked at the other evidence and that was all they need. Deb, I also want to tell you that while Aaron Hernandez was being sentenced, we got word from the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office, because it's not over yet for Aaron Hernandez, and there was a trial date of May 28th for this double murder that he's been charged with in Boston. They are now continuing that date, but they also say, in the next few weeks, in the coming days, they will announce a new date for Aaron Hernandez to be tried on double murder within the commonwealth of Massachusetts.
[Feyerick:] And you know, Jean, that's so interesting because the double murder, some people say that, in fact, one of the reasons Odin Lloyd may have been killed was because he knew about Hernandez's role in that murder. It's going to be very interesting to see how that case plays out as well. There's going to be a lot more on Aaron Hernandez tonight on CNN. And thank you, Jean Casarez. Tonight on CNN, "Downward Spiral: Inside the Case against Aaron Hernandez." That will air tonight, 9:00, right here on CNN. I'm Deborah Feyerick. Thanks for sticking with us. Wolf Blitzer picks up right after a quick break.

[Cuomo:] We have a big break to tell about in case of a missing Virginia co-ed, Hannah Graham. Police investigating her disappearance say forensic evidence links the prime suspect, Jesse Matthew Jr., to the 2009 murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. So what does this mean for both investigations? Let's bring in Athena Jones. She's following the latest developments for us from Charlottesville. What do we know?
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. Well, this forensic link police have discovered appears to confirm the fears of a lot of folks around here that Hannah Graham's disappearance was part of a pattern. While it's too soon to know, for sure, this new development has people asking if police has a serial killer on their hands.
[Jones:] Police are calling it a, quote, "significant break", evidence that could link the suspect at the center of Hannah Graham's disappearance to another missing female college student, Morgan Harrington, who was later found murdered.
[Gil Harrington, Morgan Harrington's Mother:] There's a suspect in a link to Morgan's murder. And I am so pleased that that has happened. But it doesn't change a lot for us.
[Jones:] State police say forensic evidence found in the course of three separate searches links Jesse Matthew, who is facing charges in the Graham case, to Harrington, found dead in 2010.
[Jane Velez-mitchell, Hln:] Cops have confirmed that human remains found on a Charlottesville, Virginia, farm are indeed those of the beautiful 20-year-old co-ed.
[Jones:] A 20-year-old Virginia tech student, Harrington vanished after a Metallica concert on the University of Virginia campus in October 2009. The pair are among several young women who have disappeared in the area in recent years, raising questions about whether the cases are linked, including from Harrington's mother.
[Harrington:] I really don't know if it's a cluster phenomena that just is kind of a coincidence, or if it's actually a pattern of a predator.
[Jones:] But until now, police resisted making the connection.
[Chief Timothy Longo, Charlottesville Police:] It's easy for me to understand why people would ask that question and have their mind go in that direction, I don't have enough facts before me to make that determination.
[Jones:] Now Virginia state police are pursuing unspecified forensic evidence linking Harrington and Matthew. If that holds up, there could be another victim linked to the suspect. According to an FBI statement from 2012, the suspect in the Harrington case matched the DNA profile from a 2005 sexual assault in Fairfax, Virginia. Now, Morgan Harrington's remains were found on a farm about 10 miles away from where she went missing. Authorities are still searching for Hannah Graham. And they have no idea where she is Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right. So, there's a big lead, a development here, but still waiting for the most important discovery at least in the Hannah Graham case. Thank you to Athena Jones. Michaela, over to you.
[Pereira:] Yes, let's talk more about this big lead, we want to bring in CNN commentator and legal analyst, Mel Robbins. I was watching you watch piece. You're shaking your head. You're visibly upset. I know you've got some theories about what we're looking at here. Go ahead, talk to me.
[Mel Robbins, Cnn Commentator:] Good morning, Michaela. Yes, I mean, as a mother of two daughters, one who is approaching college age, this is just the kind of story that is every parent's worst nightmare, Michaela. So, I'm shaking my head, because I have a pit in my stomach. Knowing that this guy is not only linked now to a 2009 murder, but also to a 2005 rape, and there's even allegations that he was accused of raping a student at Liberty University, but those charges were dropped. So, I think that we are just at the tip of the iceberg, Michaela.
[Pereira:] What's also really interesting, we've been doing a little digging, I know you have and several other people have been as well, that there's an area of Virginia, Route 29, that has seen its share of disappearances, abductions, even homicides. I mean, there are women Morgan Harrington, as you mentioned, 2009 disappeared. Her body was found on a farm later. Another young woman, Samantha Clark, 19, disappeared in 2010. Lauren Smith disappeared in 2011, Sage Smith disappeared in 2012. Almost every year, Alexis Murphy, 17, a senior in high school disappeared in 2013. This looks like there's something going on on Route 29.
[Robbins:] There's definitely something going on. I mean, the second when we all heard this, you know, you've got the Dashad Smith, all these young ladies, as you pointed out Michaela, same age, same general time period, every single year seemingly vanish off the face of the earth. And when you've got now the man last seen with Hannah Graham before she disappeared, you've got his DNA linking him to 2009. And let me just put it into perspective DNA evidence is the single best evidence that you can have other than a videotape, it's like a marker, a genetic marker of the people that were there, of what happened and so in my mind, they've got this guy, Jesse Matthew, on the Harrington murder for sure. There is no way that they're going to be able to refute the DNA evidence, there's also some outlets reporting that there's physical evidence that was found in his apartment connecting him to her.
[Pereira:] So they're obviously they're obviously going to take his DNA and look at some of the other cold cases, other outstanding cases, correct?
[Robbins:] Yes. And, you know, there's a federal database, that the FBI maintains and I am certain that they're going to take his DNA, Michaela, and they are going to try to match it against cold cases. The local authorities are going to do the same. This guy isn't going anywhere. He's been extradited back to Virginia. He's due in court on Thursday, they will remand him while they wait to indict hit on the murder charges in the Harrington case. And that will give the FBI and the local authorities a chance to really now, go back and take a hard look at
[Pereira:] You know, I was just thinking. I was watching the heartbreaking interview with Mrs. Harrington. Just heart-breaking to listen to this woman. You know, some of these families still don't know what happened to their child. She mentions the fact they know, and they can have a measure of peace, which I don't even know how you could. But they have a measure of peace knowing that their daughter, where she is she's there with them. So, these families don't have that yet. And these investigations are ongoing. In a way, I was thinking about how you need to have a really good victim advocate to keep these stories alive, do you not?
[Robbins:] Yes, because, you know, one of the interesting things that was also so sad is that you you've got families like Alexis Murphy's family. She went missing in 2013. She actually had somebody convicted, but they never found her body. So I would imagine they're going to run his DNA in this case as well. Dashad Smith, Samantha Ann Clark, all these families have been in the press, saying, you know, is it because we weren't out there, is it because of who are families that these cases didn't stay in the limelight. And, you know, it's all in our hope we're going to find Hannah Graham alive. But, you know, in this kind of case, without I mean it's so hard to even talk about it when you have kids at home, when you think about that press conference of the Graham family. And how just heart- breaking it's, it rips your heart out to see what these parents are going through. And what Harrington's mother said, it's like at least now they can move to the stage of grieving. The not knowing is so painful.
[Pereira:] Is the worst part. Mel Robbins, we appreciate you helping us shine a light on it and hopefully, more light will stay on these stories, and we can find some hope and peace for those families. I appreciate it. All right. Just over a month until midterm elections, a new CNNORC poll shows the Democrats may be gaining ground but can they stop Republicans from taking control of the Senate? And are both parties overlooking the issue that matters most to voters? We're going to take a look at the surprising results, ahead.

[Paul:] We have counted down the days until the worldwide broadcast of "CNN Heroes: an All-Star Tribute." It's a CNN holiday tradition at this point. It honors the year's top ten heroes and names of CNN heroes of the year.
[Blackwell:] OK, so while we're waiting for that, we want to see how last year's top honoree is doing. CNN's Anderson Cooper checks on the man dedicated to cleaning America's rivers.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Correspondent:] In 17 years, Chad Pregracke and his team picked up eight million pounds of trash from America's rivers.
[Unidentified People:] Yeah!
[Cooper:] Last November for his inspiring work, Chad picked up a big honor. The 2013 CNN Hero of the year is Chad Pregracke. One year later, we caught up with him to get an inside look at what he does and how he does it. At the heart of his work is a massive 800 ton barge that stores the huge piles of trash that Chad's team collects. It looks like a floating junkyard but
[Chad Pregracke:] Welcome to CNN It's also Chad's part-time home.
[Pregracke:] So pretty much everything is reclaimed or recycled out of either old buildings or old barns.
[Cooper:] The goal is serious, but there's definitely quirk in this work.
[Pregracke:] So, this would be our creepy doll collection. Why do we have it, I don't really have any idea other than we find a lot of creepy dolls.
[Cooper:] And trash isn't all you need is to look out for on the river.
[Pregracke:] One of the safety concerns is actually the flying carp. They really do fly out the water at high speeds, and they get rather big.
[Cooper:] It's all part of Chad's work, work that also includes growing trees. Chad started this environmental effort in 2007, but he was able to expand it after being named CNN hero of the year. In the end, Chad's crusade is about much more than cleaning rivers.
[Pregracke:] It's about people taking action on their own communities. And that's really what it's all about. That's how you change the world.
[Paul:] Tune in to see more of Chad and rescuing the river. That's a "CNN Heroes" special next Friday night. And then on Sunday December 7, at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, watch "CNN Heroes an All-Star Tribute." Who followed CNN hero of the year. This is a star-studded evening. And it's going to give you some inspiration, which we all need a little bit of.
[Blackwell:] Just a little bit. A must see moment now, everybody is still talking about America's Got Talent darling Quintavious Johnson's National Anthem Performance, this was during Thanksgiving's Bears versus Lions game. Watch.
[Paul:] Oh, my goodness! 12 years old, people.
[Blackwell:] 12.
[Paul:] Way to go.
[Blackwell:] Wow!
[Paul:] And he didn't forget any words. That is at least we're talking about an anthem where they did it well, right?
[Blackwell:] Yeah, because we have seen
[Paul:] I feel so sorry for those people that have those moments. Congratulations to him.
[Blackwell:] And happy birthday. He turned 13 yesterday.
[Paul:] Happy birthday.
[Blackwell:] Great weekend.
[Paul:] That's one heck of a birthday. Oh, there's so much more news to tell you about this morning.
[Blackwell:] The next hour of your "NEW DAY" starts right now.
[Paul:] If you're just joining us, we're edging towards 7:00 in just about 15 seconds. Welcome. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. It's coming up we've got an update from Ferguson. Because there were days of calm.
[Paul:] There were.
[Blackwell:] There were.
[Paul:] Yes, there were. At one point. Fresh clashes, though, did erupt overnight outside the police station specifically. We know at least 15 people were arrested and demonstrators and officers faced off over that fatal police shooting of Michael Brown.

[Lemon:] Well, here is the story that everybody is still talking about since our exclusive interview last night. A white woman uses a sperm bank to get pregnant and is shocked to discover she was mistakenly given sperm from an African-American donor.
[Camerota:] Oopsie-daisy.
[Lemon:] Yes. Now Jennifer Cramblett is suing that sperm bank. Did they tell you then that, that the sperm you'd gotten was from a black man? How did you find out?
[Jennifer Cramblett, Suiting Over Sperm Bank Mix-up:] They said, "Hold on. Let's go into your file. Let's do a little bit more research." Came back on the line. And then had asked me if I had requested an African-American donor. And at that point, I said, "No, 380 was blonde-haired, blue-eyed, something resembling my partner Amanda." And at that point, they said, "Well, I do believe 330 is an African- American donor. And basically, we can no longer talk to you anymore."
[Camerota:] So she told us that she loves her daughter dearly. You can see how cute she was. But she lives in a town that she says is nearly all white, and she wants her to grow up in a community where her daughter feels accepted. So we've been having some pretty spirited discussions around the office, particularly in the studio last night about this, that we invited "NEW DAY" anchor Chris Cuomo to join us for a no-holds-barred conversation.
[Lemon:] I've been getting it on the street from people, saying, "That was a perfect question, when you asked her, 'Aren't you just happy to have a healthy child?'" What's wrong with black sperm?
[Chris Cuomo, Anchor, "new Day':] Everything is wrong with black sperm, Don. This is America, don't you know that? Listen, I don't like anything about this story. Everything every aspect of it is different shades of uncomfortable. No pun intended. Does she have a lawsuit, she and her partner? Yes, they do. They have a viable lawsuit. Why? Because there was a contract involved. They wanted certain things. They didn't get those things. But what this story really is about is, is there something wrong here? There's certainly something that was incorrect.
[Lemon:] I think everybody agrees she has a lawsuit. But is it worth pursuing? I mean, doesn't being a good parent, having a healthy kid, whatever kid you get, doesn't that really kind of trump everything?
[Camerota:] Because the feeling is that she would be sending the wrong message to her daughter.
[Lemon:] To her daughter, yes.
[Camerota:] So when her child, ten years from now, Googles her name and finds out that there was a lawsuit, that the message will be, "You were imperfect." Or "we didn't want you."
[Cuomo:] I like that they live in a town where being biracial might be a problem, but being a kid of a gay couple isn't a problem.
[Camerota:] OK. We had a very heated, controversial conversation here this week. So here's how the conversation started. We were talking about Bill Maher's show. And Bill Maher made comments about the Muslim world.
[Lemon:] He talked about Islam. And he and about whether or not it was more violent. Shall we just listen to him?
[Camerota:] Let's listen.
[Bill Maher, Host, Hbo's "real Time With Bill Maher":] If vast numbers of Muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea, or drawing a cartoon, or writing a book, or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the Muslim world have something in common with ISIS, it has too much in common with ISIS.
[Camerota:] ok. So then we posed those issues to Reza Aslan, who is a Middle East scholar, and asked whether there is something about Muslim countries' form of justice and human rights that is somehow more primitive than other countries.
[Lemon:] It got heated.
[Camerota:] It did.
[Cuomo:] It got primitive.
[Reza Aslan, Middle East Scholar:] Did you hear what you just said? You said in Muslim countries. I just told you that Indonesia, women are absolutely 100 percent equal to men. In Turkey, they have had more female representatives, more female heads of state in Turkey than we have in the United States.
[Camerota:] Yes, in Pakistan. In Pakistan, women are still being stoned.
[Aslan:] And that's a problem for Pakistan. You're right. So let's criticize Pakistan.
[Cuomo:] He was, in a way, you know, playing off the last story we did. He was playing a little bit of the racereligion card on you guys. He was saying you're calling everybody the same. You're calling them all bad, and you shouldn't do that.
[Camerota:] And by the way, that was a great point. But I thought that what...
[Lemon:] That's what he was saying.
[Camerota:] I think that the point that he made when he said, "Listen to yourselves." We were talking about female genital mutilation where, in Somalia, and Egypt, more than 90 percent of the women are subjected to it. And he said that's an African problem. That's an African continent problem. That's not a Muslim problem. Well, that was an interesting point that he made. That's educational. And but the funny thing is...
[Cuomo:] You're obviously agitated. Why?
[Camerota:] I want to tell you about it. People on Twitter are angry that we even asked the question. If you don't ask the question, you can't have the conversation.
[Lemon:] I agree with that. But that wasn't my beef. The country thing, that wasn't my thing. I was simply asking the question in order to get an answer.
[Cuomo:] Why are people upset? Let's look at it. Either it's just PC gone awry. OK? And you can just dismiss it as that. I wouldn't. And here's why. Do does it promote violence? No. One, Islam is the culture. Being a Muslim, the faith, is that more violent inherently than Judaism or Christianity? No, not if you examine the text. Most experts will tell you exactly that. How it's applied culturally. You now get into a big problem.
[Lemon:] That is a great answer. But I also think, that, you know, Reza, he apologized on Twitter.
[Camerota:] Well, he apologized because during the course of it, he said that the question was stupid, and it implied that I was stupid. And he immediately apologized. And I don't actually need an apology. I think that we need to be able to ask the questions, even controversial questions, even questions that you might deem as stupid. Because then it allows for the conversation. And you have to be able to have the conversation.
[Cuomo:] A lot of Americans think Muslims are inherently violent.
[Camerota:] I don't know who that is.
[Cuomo:] They think it's a faith that encourages jihad, which they take as war against other faiths, and they happen to be wrong.
[Camerota:] But I also want to say that it was interesting that Reza used the example of Indonesia, where he was saying they have they treat women, you know, fairly. Because it was just last weekend that one province in Indonesia, Ache, allowed legally caning of homosexuals. So I don't know that that's the paragon of human rights.
[Lemon:] I think, listen, I think he realized the moment you call someone a name you lose the argument. And that's why that's why he apologized.
[Camerota:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] His tone was very angry. So he wound up kind of demonstrating what people are fearful about when they think of the faith in the first place, which is the hostility of it. Look, here's what you guys are exposing yourselves to. This is the state of play in journalism today. The Muslim world is responsible for a really big part of religious extremism right now. And they are unusually violent. They're unusually barbaric in the places where it's happening. And it's happening there more than it is in other places. Do you therefore want to generalize? Of course not. But you do want to call a situation what it is. It's not a coincidence that ISIS begins with an "I". I mean, that's what's going on in that part of the world. Doesn't mean that other faiths can't be violent and other cultures can't be violent. But you shouldn't be afraid of the question.
[Lemon:] Thank you, sir.
[Camerota:] Six to 9 a.m. tomorrow morning. Cuomo: You were heated up coming to this. You've got it.
[Cuomo:] You were.
[Camerota:] I'm seeing you next week if you're not careful.
[Cuomo:] I know.
[Camerota:] See you later.
[Cuomo:] I'm intimidated.
[Lemon:] Be good to her. Bye-bye.
[Camerota:] Bye-bye.
[Lemon:] We'll see you.
[Camerota:] We'll be right back.
[Lemon:] We'll be right back.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to "NEW DAY". Parents of a Texas college student shot and killed by police say they are waiting for answers. Family members are left planning a funeral for Cameron Redus after campus police shot him when they say he resisted arrest almost 60 times. Now an elite law enforcement team in Texas has been called in to investigate what really happened. CNN's George Howell is live with the latest. Good morning, George.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Kate, good morning. The family is speaking out this morning to say that they are withholding judgment, they're still waiting for all the facts to come through in this case but that there is one simple fact, one truth, that they've never doubted, their son's character.
[Howell:] A father and mother, struggle with the unthinkable.
[Valerie Redus, Mother:] I'd give anything if he'd walk right through that door.
[Howell:] Twenty-three-year-old Cameron Redus, shot and killed by a campus police officer, just hours after celebrating the final day of the semester. He was set to graduate in may but now Valerie and Mickey Redus are planning his funeral.
[Mickey Redus, Father:] All I could see was a tragedy. It would have been so devastated about unnecessary loss.
[V. Redus:] He was well loved and a favorite of the group. And excelled, I was proud. I was just proud for him. I was proud to be his mother.
[Howell:] Police paint a very different picture of the college senior, investigators say for at least six minutes early Friday morning, Cam Redus ignored 56 commands to stop resisting arrest when confronted by Corporal Chris Carter. Then, police say there was a struggle. According to the University of the Incarnate Word, quote, "The officer drew his firearm, and was able to knock the baton from the suspect who continued to resist arrest. Shots were fired." [on camera]: The university has put out a statement. The police are releasing some facts and we still don't know all the facts. But as a family, how do you deal with the contradiction, these two stories about who you know Cam to be and what you're hearing.
[V. Redus:] I know the man I've seen for 23 years. I know what he's become. I know how steadfast and true to the way we brought him up I just feel like the truth will come out.
[Howell:] A young man who loved adventure, Cam Redus's parents say he was loved by many, leaving behind a legacy that, they believe, speaks for itself.
[M. Redus:] We believe him to be in heaven, beginning the greatest adventure ever. For ourselves there's pain, because there's a huge hole that's left by his presence here with us.
[Howell:] Regardless of what the investigation concludes, the tragedy for this family is that their son's life has been cut short. They are planning a visitation later today here in Baytown and then the funeral, Kate, John, is set for tomorrow.
[Bolduan:] All right, George. We await the results of the investigation. But I think you have the perfect on that. Regardless of how it turns out, these parents are left with nothing but questions and their lives shattered.
[Berman:] Such a tragedy.
[Bolduan:] Yes. Thanks, George.
[Berman:] All right. It is money time now. We had a stumble for stocks Tuesday. Our business correspondent Alison Kosik is here.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Looks like the Bears came out to play yesterday, the Dow industrials slipping below the 16,000 level. The focus is on the Federal Reserve and whether it's going to begin pulling back on its stimulus, an announcement could come at next week's meeting. The Dow slid 52 points, the NASDAQ and the S&P; also lost ground. But come one, what a year it's been. The Dow is up 22 percent for the year so far. The NASDAQ up 34 percent, the S&P; up 26 percent. More billionaires are promising to give away their fortunes. Go Daddy founder Bob Parsons and Groupon founder Eric Lefkofsky are among seven wealthy individuals and couples making the commitment, giving pledge campaign started three years ago with 40 billionaires, including Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, promising to give a majority of their wealth to charity. Soda sales are flat, health conscious customers are buying less soda, especially diet sodas. The year-over-year decline for diet soda spending was 7 percent on cola and about 8 percent on lemon-lime drinks. The big beneficiary of all this: bottled water, and the beverage companies have taken notice. PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, they bought several brands in several years. But if you're trying to stay away from the artificial sweetener, check out the ingredients on those flavored waters. Some of them contain that, too.
[Bolduan:] Clearly, the companies are noticing, because you can see it differently in the branding and how they're selling, you know, smaller cans and more portion control
[Kosik:] And the water is getting fancier.
[Berman:] Fizz is out of the earnings to be sure.
[Bolduan:] Wa, wa, wa.
[Kosik:] Good one.
[Bolduan:] Coming up next
[Berman:] A story that bubbles to the top.
[Bolduan:] Top. Oh, quickly. We'll take a break, quickly, before John says anything else. President Obama's handshake with Cuba's Raul Castro seems to have created an international stir. Was it just a friendly gesture or is there really more to it?
[Berman:] Then, Christmas shopping with his girlfriend sent one man over the edge, literally, to his death. He just couldn't take it anymore. All the details, just ahead.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Time now for the Politics Lead. Some would call it a heavy-handed pun. Others, a fat shaming cheap shot, but I don't think anybody would call it subtle. This is the new cover of "Time" magazine. which is owned by our parent company, Time Warner. It features freshly re-elected New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who has battled with weight issues along with the headline "Elephant in the Room." It's funny because he's battling a serious weight problem. Let's bring in our panel, "Time" magazine's Deputy Washington Bureau Chief, Michael Crowley, CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist, Hillary Rosen and senior editor for the "National Review," Ramesh Ponnuru. Michael, you did not write the cover, I am not blaming you for the cover
[Michael Crowley, Deputy Washington Bureau Chief, "time":] Nothing to blame.
[Tapper:] Well, defend it. We are trying to teach people, kids especially, don't bully, don't make fun of how people look if they look differently, et cetera, and this is rude.
[Crowley:] Well, look, figuratively speaking it's very true. The 2016 race that's going to form around Christie, he's the elephant in the room in the race. Is he going to run and the other candidates will be anti-Christies in various ways. So I think fundamentally, that's what the cover's about. There is a literal element to it and I would just point out that Governor Christie himself has poked fun at himself. He pulled out a doughnut on David Letterman and I think that his weight is part of who he is and his political persona. Basically this is a story about how he is a huge political player in the Republican Party right now and will decide the early contours of the 2016 race. That's what the story is about.
[Tapper:] I'm sure it's a fantastic story, but we're not talking about the story. It's the cover.
[Hilary Rosen, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, you know, actually, the elephant in the room means the person who nobody talks about. Certainly everybody's talking about Chris Christie. Even the analogy doesn't work. Look, I feel for Chris Christie here. I'm sure he is you spent the day with him it is constantly talked about. Everybody asks him about it. He lives with it and I assure you as somebody who struggles with weight myself, I'm sure a day doesn't go by where he doesn't find his own reminders of it. But you know, for the media to kind of take it and exploit it that way is just kind of I agree. It's just rude.
[Tapper:] He has this historic win, wins 60 percent in a blue state. Obama won by 18 points, he actually won by more than 18 points, he won by 22 points. He wins the Latino vote, the women's vote running against a female. "Time" magazine comes out, you're fat.
[Rosen:] There's a lot to criticize him for, believe me.
[Crowley:] I think there's a literal component, but there's more to it than that.
[Ramesh Ponnuru, Senior Editor, "national Review":] I read the article. It's a good article. It doesn't go into is his weight something that should weigh on voters' minds, so to speak, is it something that's going to be a problem. It doesn't discuss that. The only time it comes up in this cheap shot on the cover.
[Crowley:] I'm glad you pointed out that's not what the story is about. The story is about how he is so important to the Republican Party right now, the direction it decides to take, is it more of a centrist moderate tack or more of a Tea Party tack and how the 2016 presidential race will be defined around him, and in that sense, he
[Tapper:] Let's get meta for a second. If whoever is in charge of the cover, if they hadn't done that, we might be talking about the great story in "Time" magazine about Governor Christie. Probably not, we probably wouldn't be, not to say you wouldn't be here. But on the other hand, you didn't write the story. It was an attempt to get buzz and generate conversation about "Time" magazine and it did so, making the construction like it's worth it, we'll take some raps for fat shaming. Is that a fair analysis?
[Crowley:] I'm not sure look, I'm not sure that's right. I think that the point that the cover makes is an accurate one, that this is the guy who is figuratively, it is also literally true the biggest player in the room and in the republican party right now, and I just think that's a true way
[Tapper:] I'm putting you in a tough spot.
[Ponnuru:] They thought they were being high-minded by not using 800 pound gorilla.
[Tapper:] God bless them for that. Let's turn to Obamacare. Of course, yesterday the president met with 15 Democratic senators who are up for re-election next year to talk about the dismal rollout of Obamacare. On the list, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who is already the target of this political ad.
[Announcer:] She sided with Barack Obama.
[Unidentified Female:] If I had to vote for the bill again, I would vote for it tomorrow.
[Tapper:] They already put their political careers on the line to get this bill passed. Many in the House were not re-elected. How big a price will we see when it comes to Senate elections next year?
[Rosen:] You know, I think it's a little too early to say there's going to be fallout, but I think these senators are putting the administration on notice that unless, you know, the administration can actually keep its promises that it's made to have this thing fixed by the end of the year, that they are going to be calling for an extension and they may even pass it over some objections and see where that goes. You know, so far, the senators I talked to still have the administration's back, still have Kathleen Sebelius' back. I think they just want to know that on this next round, their concerns have been heard and the problems get fixed.
[Tapper:] Ramesh?
[Ponnuru:] Well, I think that if you're a Democrat who is up for election in 2014 and you're not concerned about how this is going, you don't have your head screwed on right. I think there is a lot of nervousness on the Hill and a lot of gleeful anticipation of this among Republicans, and I think also, although there has been a lot of debate as to how much of a factor this was in Virginia, a lot of people, even on the Democratic side, have sneaking suspicion that this helped make that a close race.
[Tapper:] You think so? What's your take on this? Do you think this had an effect in Virginia, I think there's a lot of debate about that, and do you think this really could cause Mary Landrieu or any of these Republicans I'm sorry, any of these Democrats in purple maybe red- leaning states or maybe solid red states, to lose their jobs?
[Crowley:] I do, and there are a lot of them. I think the biggest problem, the substance of this is terrible, but it also changed the subject, right. So the Democrats had this wonderful story line where the Republican Party was threatening to tank the economy with the shutdown and they were all fighting with one another, and some of these tea party figures were saying things that were far outside the political mainstream, and that conversation just screeched to a halt. Now these poor Democrats who really didn't have much to do with the actual implementation of the plan suddenly are finding themselves in the hot seat for things that, you know, have to do with technology problems that were managed out of the federal bureaucracy far from their day to day lives and their offices.
[Tapper:] It's not just that, not just the technology. We are talking also about individuals who are losing their health plan despite President Obama's I think we moved on from the web site in some ways.
[Ponnuru:] But they intersect in such a damaging way because you've got these people whose current insurance plans are being canceled who are going to have to get new insurance and will be fined if they can't because the websites aren't working.
[Tapper:] That's what really is unfortunate about this. There are a lot of people who support Obamacare, who want to sign up for these plans, and because of the problems with the web site, they're not able to right now.
[Rosen:] I think we're a long way from this, you know, being that kind of crisis.
[Tapper:] We're not there yet. No, no.
[Ponnuru:] Deadline's in a couple weeks.
[Tapper:] You said end of the year. They actually said end of November was what they originally said. We'll see. Hillary, Ramesh and Mike, thanks so much. Great to see all of you. Coming up next in the POP CULTURE LEAD, it's the country music song of the year, based on true life heartbreak. We'll catch up with the real star of the song written about the son he lost. Plus, he's the terrorist mastermind who allegedly planned the attack on Nobel Prize nominee, Malala and he just got a big promotion. Stay with us.

[Lu Stout:] Welcome back. And now to Indonesia and the fallout from the execution of eight convicted drug traffickers. The life of Filipina Mary Jane Veloso was spared at the last minute, but her fate is still far from clear. The others were not so fortunate. Manisha Tank reports. [Begin Video]
[tape Myuran Sukumaran, Convicted Drug Trafficker:] It's sort of like 12:00 at night. And then, you know, they come in, a whole bunch of guards. And they pull you out of your cell. And I don't know, but you can be asked to be blind-folded. I don't know if it's you have to be. And then, yeah, they shoot you.
[Manisha Tank, Cnn International Correspondent:] Before he was killed by firing squad, Myuran Sukumaran described what his last moments would look like. He was executed, along with fellow countryman Andrew Chan and six others, one Brazilian, four Nigerians and one Indonesian. The bodies of the eight were laid in caskets. They'll be sent for burial in their home countries or here in Indonesia. Right to the end, calls for clemency reached the highest levels of government. In response to Indonesia's decision to press on with the executions and amid anger at home, Australia recalled its ambassador to the country pending consultations.
[Tony Abbott, Prime Minister Of Australia:] These executions are both cruel and unnecessary. Australia respects the Indonesian system. We respect Indonesia's sovereignty. But we do deplore what's been done. And this cannot be simply business as usual.
[Tank:] The Australians were not alone in pressing a different outcome. The United Nations, Brazil and France had all campaigned for Indonesia to change course. But Indonesia has defended its strong stance on drug crime.
[Unidentified Male:] Execution is not exciting, is not a pleasant job, but in order to save this nation from drugs we should carry out the punishment. We did not do it against the states, we did it to combat drug crimes.
[Tank:] In the Philippines, though, there were tears of joy. A last minute stay of execution for Filipina Mary Jane Veloso, a single mother whose lawyers always argued that she'd been duped by human traffickers into carrying drugs unknowingly. "We are so happy, so happy," her mother told CNN. "I thought I had lost my daughter already, but God is so good. Thank you to everyone who helped us." It's relief short-lived, however. Late Wednesday, the Indonesian president warns that the execution was only postponed.
[Joko Widodo, President Of Indonesia:] There was a letter from the Philippine government saying that there is a legal process related to human trafficking there. So we need to respect this legal process. It's not canceled. This is a delay.
[Tank:] Heartfelt pleas and campaigns continue for Mary Jane. But for the others, and their families, it's already too late. Manisha Tank, CNN, Hong Kong.
[Lu Stout:] Now the Filipina who was spared had high profile help in her corner: Manny Pacquiao. Now the boxer appealed to the Indonesian president Joko Widodo to spare Mary Jane Veloso. Now Pacquiao is in Las Vegas preparing for that high profile flight with Floyd Mayweather. We'll have a lot more on that fight a little bit later in the program. Indonesia is stressing that the execution of Filipina Mary Janes Veloso has been delayed and not canceled. Now that stay has been welcomed by her supporters in the Philippines and campaigners against the death penalty. Now Carols Conde from Human Rights Watch joins me now live from Manila. And Carlos, again the news, her life has been spared. What is your reaction to this announcement, the stay of execution for Mary Jane Veloso?
[Carlos Conde, Human Rights Watch:] [inaudible] relief for a lot of Filipinos, as you can imagine in the Philippines. And so we [inaudible] many Filipinos. And it underscores the arguments made by Filipino activists here that [inaudible] mentioned in the humane society. And that is why and that is also [inaudible] by Human Rights Watch which opposed to all capital punishment in all of the countries.
[Lu Stout:] All right. Carlos Conde there. I know that you welcome the decision. You're concerned about what will come next, because her fate is uncertain, and of course you and human rights watch condemn the use of the death penalty in Indonesia. That was Carlos Conde of Human Rights Watch joining me on the line from Manila. And our apologies for that technical issue with that line. You're watching News Stream. And still to come, the Nigerian army announces the rescue of hundreds of women and girls held by Boko Haram. We'll have the details next.

[Michael Smerconish, Cnn:] Thank you for joining me. And welcome to the program. I have a packed show today including this. Dewey beats Truman or the 2014 version anyway the Democrats win big in November. "The New York Times", "The Washington Post", the TV networks, they are all wrong, says Princeton professor, Sam Wang. And he's been right a lot. Then Mitt Romney will run for president, Pat Buchanan says it, so I'm inclined to believe it. He'll be here with me. And finally, he was running things during the Iraq war and they told the White House this thing is a mess. General Anthony Zini on Obama's war against ISIS. Let's get started. Up first today. What is wrong with the NFL? Early this morning star running back Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings turned himself into authorities in Texas to face child abuse charges. He admits to having hit his 4-year-old son with a tree branch repeatedly. The indictment says the little boy suffered substantial injuries. Peterson says, I did nothing wrong. I was just spanking my child. So what is wrong with the NFL? Adrian Peterson will not be playing for the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday but around the league at least 10 convicted or suspected domestic abusers are scheduled to take the field. One is Carolina Panther Greg Hardy, a defensive end who's been convicted, not accused, convicted of beating his ex-girlfriend, throwing her across the room and trying to strangle her. And there is San Francisco 49er Ray McDonald. He was arrested two weeks ago accused of beating up his pregnant fiancee. Ray Rice of course will not play. As the whole world now knows he was fired from the Baltimore Ravens for delivering that awful knockout punch to his then fiance in an Atlantic City elevator. But others are avoiding suspension because in the past the league has been disgracefully lenient. One former player who's appalled by what he sees is Amani Toomer. Thanks so much for being here.
[Amani Toomer, Former Ny Giants Player:] Thanks for having me.
[Smerconish:] So tomorrow guys are going to suit up, some of whom have issues of their own. There is a guy playing for the Carolina Panthers with an allegation of domestic violence against him right now. Do you expect that there is a process about to occur where they get ferreted out as well, that they get punished by the NFL where previously they hadn't been?
[Toomer:] Yes, you're talking about Greg Hardy.
[Smerconish:] Yes.
[Toomer:] He's actually convicted by a judge and now he decided to go to a jury trial. You know, usually in this country you're innocent until proven guilty. But he's actually been proven guilty so I think that his case and there is another case of McDonald in San Francisco, who just got charged. I think McDonald has an opportunity to defend himself and he should be able to play. But Hardy, a player who's already been convicted, I don't see how the NFL after this situation after how bad it's looked, after how they made the whole domestic violence, doesn't look like the NFL is taking domestic violence seriously outwardly looking in. I think that Greg Hardy should definitely not be playing on Sunday.
[Smerconish:] A number of my radio callers this week, and I'd be curious to hear what you heard on the radio this week, we're drawing parallels with Michael Vick. And one argument was, well, when a guy has paid his penance, when he's been punished by the law, and I don't think that happened sufficiently with Ray Rice, he should be able to eat, he should be able to come back and engage in his profession. What's your thought on that?
[Toomer:] Well, playing in the NFL was a privilege.
[Smerconish:] OK.
[Toomer:] And you know, you have to there is a code of conduct that our commissioner has put forth and you have to live up to that standard. He could be able to eat, he could do he could, you know, work in a job, he can do anything he wants. He just might not be able to play in the NFL until he proves without a shadow of a doubt to the NFL and to all of the people in the community who he's affected by this behavior to come back. I don't look at it the same way. I think he needs to really get out in front of this thing and become like Michael Vick who got who was you know, did a lot of work with PETA. I think Ray Rice should be they should use him as a as a spokesperson to create awareness for domestic violence moving forward. And I think then I would be more willing to allow him back into the community.
[Smerconish:] You mentioned the commissioner. Let me ask you about Roger Goodell. It seems like there is a fact dispute as to what was said at a June meeting where Ray Rice and his now wife were meeting with Roger Goodell and Goodell is saying that he wasn't told that there was a punch in the course of that meeting, others are saying that Ray Rice's side of it is, I told Roger Goodell exactly what happened inside the elevator. Here's my question. If Goodell had been told by Rice at that meeting what happened inside the elevator and he chose to only suspend him for two games, does Goodell now need to go?
[Toomer:] I don't think Goodell needs to go. I think he needs to know what domestic violence is. I don't believe that he should just be fired because I just think that that's the easy way out. It's the easy way out to fire him. I think that what needs to happen is the league needs to move forward and to become just like Ray Rice, on top of this situation in terms of becoming you know, creating awareness. Because there is no other league, no other entity in this country that can create more awareness than the NFL. And I think they have an opportunity to turn the narrative from being the NFL doesn't care about domestic violence to the NFL champions the awareness of domestic violence.
[Smerconish:] Meanwhile, Janay Rice says, hey, media, back off, essentially it's your fault.
[Toomer:] Well, that's the classic, my mother telling me that most victims are very apologetic and they take on a lot of the responsibility of the action of the abuser themselves. Now that's if Roger Goodell and the NFL realized that before and they knew, they looked at it through the victim's role, then this situation would have been handled much differently.
[Smerconish:] Amani Toomer, good to see you. Wear the ring next time. Please?
[Toomer:] I know. I know. It's
[Smerconish:] What was it? A trophy case?
[Toomer:] It's too big to wear out.
[Smerconish:] A good problem to have. A good problem to have. Thank you.
[Toomer:] I'm not complaining about that, too.
[Smerconish:] Thank you for being here.
[Toomer:] Yes. Thanks for having me, Mike.
[Smerconish:] Meanwhile, who the heck is advising NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell? By any standard his handling of the Ray Rice scandal has been a PR disaster. So let's talk to an expert in crisis management, somebody who knows the NFL well, Lanny Davis, former White House special counsel to President Bill Clinton. He has also represented Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. Lanny, thank you so much for being here.
[Lanny Davis, Former White House Special Counsel:] Hi, Mike.
[Smerconish:] If today you were whispering in the ear of Roger Goodell, you would be telling him what?
[Davis:] Well, first of all, I'd be telling him to restate that he got it wrong to begin with when he only imposed a two-game suspension based upon the first videotape that he saw. He said he got it wrong, now he's got to expand on that. I happen to think that he not only got it wrong for only doing two games, I would recommend a full year suspension for the first incident of domestic violence to send a message to all men including Adrian Peterson, that violence, whether it's women or children, is not acceptable and you're not playing in the league for one year and the second incident it's suspension indefinitely. So that's what he got wrong. And now I think he needs to be more forthcoming about exactly what he plans to do going forward for all of these other incidents that we're now hearing about of men who play football who think violence is OK on the field and violence is OK off the field because it's off the field. They need to be told that there is no distinction when you're violent against women you're out, you don't play football and at least for one year you never play football. If you do it a second time, you're out forever.
[Smerconish:] I read your book, I know the mantra, the Lanny Davis mantra. He did not tell it all, tell it early nor tell it himself.
[Davis:] No, he didn't. And I think that not asking the casino for the second videotape was a mistake. I think he's right that law enforcement during a grand jury proceeding wouldn't turn over that tape. But I also would beg to differ that you characterize that there were facts about what was told behind closed doors, let's talk about Mr. Rice. Mr. Rice did not follow my rules and was not honest with the public when he held a press conference. He didn't say, I cold cocked my girlfriend and that's why I dragged her out.
[Smerconish:] Right.
[Davis:] He left that part out. And now he sends four anonymous sources to ESPN to say, I actually told Mr. Goodell that I cold cocked my girlfriend when you have two people on the record, the president and the owner of the Ravens, disputing the anonymous sources. So at the very least, Mr. Rice has not followed any of the rules of crisis management. He did something terrible, he should take himself out of football for a year and get help and then go
[Smerconish:] Lanny
[Davis:] teach other men not to touch women and not to be violent against women.
[Smerconish:] Give me just 30 seconds on Adrian Peterson. Today's latest ripple in this now ongoing NFL saga. How should Goodell respond to this?
[Davis:] As strongly as striking a woman certainly as strongly as beating up a child much less his own child. He needs to be the teaching moment for this country about abusing children, and that should be part of the equation in the NFL, off-field behavior, whether it's drunk and driving, whether it's violence against women and children, they are just as responsible off the field as on the field.
[Smerconish:] Lanny Davis
[Davis:] That's should be the message from Commissioner Goodell.
[Smerconish:] As always, thank you for being here.
[Davis:] Thank you.
[Smerconish:] Have to take a very quick break. When I come back, here's what I want to talk about. President Obama is sending more Americans on dangerous missions to Iraq and Syria. But Congress has not weighed in. Don't our elected representatives owe us a real debate about whether this is a risk worth taking? Mitt Romney says he's not running again for the White House in 2016 but Pat Buchanan says oh, yes, he is. And we're going to talk. And why isn't anyone prosecuting Ray Rice? He committed a crime that the whole country has witnessed and no one is charging him? We'll talk about that right after the break.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to a special hurricane edition of nude day. We're going to have much more of our special coverage on hurricane Arthur coming up in just a moment. But we also want to take you to another big story this morning. Shocking new details revealed at a court hearing in Georgia. Prosecutors laying out the beginnings of their case against Justin Ross Harris. He is the father accused of murder after leaving his toddler son in a hot car for some seven hours. As CNN's Victor Blackwell explains, the evidence was powerful and the story it tells, disturbing.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Correspondent:] What was Justin Ross Harris allegedly doing while his 22-month-old son, Cooper, suffered in the back of his scorching SUV?
[Detective Phil Stoddard, Cobb County Police Dept:] He was having up to six conversations with different women. The most common term would be sexting.
[Blackwell:] Stunning claims of raunchy text messages, suspicious Internet searches and a plan to kill his son.
[Stoddard:] Evidence has shown us right now that he's got this whole second life that he's living with alternate personalities and alternate personas.
[Blackwell:] Harris shackled and sullen, as detective Phil Stoddard with the Cobb County Police Department detailed X-rated messages allegedly exchanged the day Cooper died, including with a then 16- year-old girl.
[Unidentified Male:] Were photos being sent back and forth between these women and the defendant during this day while the child was out in the car?
[Stoddard:] Yes, there were photos of his exposed penis, erect penis, being sent. There were also photos of women's breasts being sent back to him.
[Blackwell:] No visible reaction from the 33-year-old's wife Leanna Harris, who sat with her family and supporters in the packed courtroom.
[Unidentified Male:] He was a loving father. He loved his son very much. We went on family vacations together. He was a good dad.
[Blackwell:] But just five days before Cooper's death, Internet searches revealed that Harris watched videos online about the dangers of being trapped in a hot car and that Harris visited a web forum devoted to the child-free lifestyle.
[Unidentified Male:] So, there's no you don't have any evidence that he actually typed in a Google search or Reddit search or anything for child free?
[Stoddard:] True.
[Unidentified Male:] We are getting so far afield from the events of June 18th. This has got nothing to do with those events whatsoever. The status of his marriage and his fantasy life has got nothing to do with the events of June 18th. We're just getting so far afield, Judge. This isn't relevant to anything. Judge, this goes to the state of mind to the two weeks leading up to the death of this child.
[Judge:] So, this occurred within two weeks?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, Your Honor.
[Judge:] Overruled the objection.
[Blackwell:] The detective also testified the couple had financial problems and took out life insurance policies on Cooper.
[Stoddard:] They had two policies on Cooper. The first policy is a $2,000 policy, through the Home Depot.
[Unidentified Male:] The second one, was this something that they got back in 2013?
[Stoddard:] Yes. Well, yes, November 2012 is when he signed up for it.
[Unidentified Male:] OK. And was this something that he still had at the time of the child's death?
[Stoddard:] That is correct.
[Unidentified Male:] And how much was the policy?
[Stoddard:] It's $25,000 policy.
[Blackwell:] Stoddard laid out the strange way he saw Harris reacting the day Cooper died.
[Stoddard:] He started off trying to work himself up. And we're watching him on the cameras he's doing this. And he's walking around, and he's rubbing his eyes, and he's you know, trying to look like he's trying to hyperventilate himself. No tears, no real emotion coming out except for you know, the huffing.
[Unidentified Male:] And through the time you are talking with him about his son and his son's death, did you ever see any tears coming from him?
[Stoddard:] No.
[Blackwell:] Even more bizarre, how witnesses say Leanna Harris reacted at the day care when she was told that Cooper was never dropped off.
[Stoddard:] And in front of several witnesses, all of a sudden, she states, Ross must have left him in the car. And, they are like, what? There's no other reason. Ross must have no other explanation, excuse me, Ross must have left him in the car. And they tried to console her. They're like, no, there are 1,000 reasons. You know, he could have taken him to lunch or something. We don't know yet. And she's like, no.
[Blackwell:] Then, another shocker.
[Unidentified Male:] Were there any injuries to the child's face?
[Stoddard:] There were.
[Unidentified Male:] And what were those?
[Stoddard:] The way it's explained, there were several marks on the child's face that would have come from the child or a scratch being made while the child was alive and then not healing, not scabbing over or anything like that just soon after he passed away.
[Unidentified Male:] Were there any injuries to the child back of the child's head?
[Stoddard:] Yes, there were abrasions to the back of the child's head.
[Blackwell:] After three hours of stunning testimony, Judge Frank Cox denied Harris bond. The defense maintaining.
[Unidentified Male:] It's not criminal negligence. It's a horrible tragedy and accident.
[Blackwell:] Victor Blackwell, CNN, Marietta, Georgia.
[Bolduan:] That is a horrible story and difficult to listen to.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] And again, that's the probable cause hearings, supposed to be short, fairly quick and it lasted three hours. It felt like we were in the case, in the trial already and we weren't.
[Bolduan:] And they were just just in the beginnings of this.
[Pereira:] I know. It's going to be very, very difficult to watch at times.
[Bolduan:] Sure.
[Pereira:] All right. We have a lot of other stories making headlines. Let's get to Christine Romans. It's another day of all girls today.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, it is and a lot of news, ladies, a lot of news on this holiday. Let's get straight to it. Iraq's Kurdish leader calling for independence as large parts of the country continue to fall to ISIS militants. But U.S. officials are objecting to the calls, saying the only solution to conflict is for the country to stay united. This as U.S. military officials say the door is still open to step up American forces in Iraq if ISIS militants pose a threat to the U.S. Mississippi's Republican primary results now being challenged. Tea Party-backed State Senator Chris McDaniel fighting those result, serving papers to Senator Thad Cochran's sons Thursday. Campaign staffers and volunteers say they have combed through voting records in 51 counties. They claim to have found nearly 5,000 irregularities. We'll talk with McDaniel later in the program. Another Supreme Court decision this week slamming Obamacare over its requirement for birth control coverage. The high court ruled that Wheaton College, a Christian school, doesn't have to abide by the contraception mandate because of a religious objection to providing birth control to employees and students. Earlier this week, the justices said closely held companies like Hobby Lobby would be exempted if their owners objected on religious grounds. A newly released 911 call reveals a mother and son's terror as their car is swallowed up by a sinkhole. Fifteen-year-old Benjamin Hernandez was delivering newspapers when his mother when the road gave out from under them.
[Pineda:] My son, he's having problems breathing.
[Reporter:] A frantic call for help after a mother and son plummet no a giant sinkhole while driving down a dark road in rural Illinois. Her son badly injured.
[Romans:] Thankfully, he had so many injuries, thankfully, you guys, he should be OK. I mean, he broke one arm. He had a fractured spine.
[Bolduan:] Unbelievable.
[Romans:] Broke some ribs. You know, they drove into the sinkhole unbeknownst to them and suddenly another car drove on top of them. They had to be they had to rip the roof off the car to get both of them out so we wish them well.
[Pereira:] The chances of even driving no a sinkhole or having a sinkhole happen under your vehicle is so rare. But then to have another vehicle
[Romans:] It was darkness, pitch black, just driving along and not even knowing the sinkhole was there, driving into it, and the next car drove right on top of them so really, just an amazing, amazing story.
[Pereira:] Thanks. Christine.
[Romans:] You're welcome.
[Bolduan:] Coming up on NEW DAY, the latest track of Hurricane Arthur, the East Coast bracing for a rough holiday. Look at that wind. We're going to tell you where that storm is headed next and what you should do to prepare.

[Berman:] China is escalating the rhetoric in its dispute with the United States after American spy plane with a CNN crew aboard flew over disputed waters in the South China Sea. China has now lodged a formal complaint with Washington that vows to expand its military operations. So, how bad will this get with the two nations? CNN's David McKenzie with the latest this morning from Beijing. Dave, what's going on here?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, John, you had that editorial in the tabloid "Global Times", that's a state-backed publications, saying the war between U.S. and China overt disputed South China Sea is inevitable. That's certainly worrying rhetoric as escalating tensions in that area is putting China and the U.S. potentially on a collision course. Now, it's also the fact that China has announced its new military strategy in the white paper. I have it right there, and it's saying it wants to have a more active military, a more robust military, using active defense, in particular, strengthening its navy in the region John.
[Berman:] So, how does this de-escalate? Is there any kind of off-ramp here for China?
[Mckenzie:] Well, that's a very good point. It's an off-ramp potentially for China and the U.S. because, you know, the relationship between the two countries is not just about this one issue. There's a huge trade between China and U.S., trade negotiations ongoing. There's cooperation on climate change. So, I don't think either side wants to escalate beyond a certain point. But because China claims these islands in the South China Sea and says it's a sovereign right to build military and civilian assets on those islands, and because the U.S. really wants to help its allies in the region, including the Philippines and others, you have this status quo which is very dangerous indeed. And some kind of accident or issue between the two sides accidentally is the biggest fear because, obviously, neither side wants to intentionally start any kind of conflict John.
[Berman:] Both sides making too much money in this relationship, to be blunt about it. But you do worry about some kind of mistake. David McKenzie, great to have you with us this morning. Thanks so much.
[Romans:] All right. Fifty-five minutes past the hour. You'll soon be able to get your Pizza Hut fix without artificial ingredients. Why even junk food is going natural now, next.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Let's get to Chief Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash in Louisville with more. I qualified my formidable a little bit there because this is a big jump for the secretary of state. She would be the first female senator. That's something. But McConnell is no joke and he seems to have a very definite argument to make about her which should be popular in his state. Tell us why.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Because it's about Obama, as you pointed out. And Obama is not popular here, and that is the understatement of the year. He never did well in the elections, the presidential elections, and he's become even less popular in the last two years. So what McConnell is doing is he is really banking on the fact that the president is less popular than he is, and the reason I say that is because that is a big problem that McConnell has is that he is very well known here, of course. He's been here for 30 years and represented the state for 30 years but he's also extremely unpopular. But you are exactly right, Chris, to hedge the idea of the fact that she may be formidable, because she is not that well-known and she is going up against an arsenal of opposition in Mitch McConnell. He knows how to play and he knows how to play dirty, and he's making it pretty clear he's not afraid to do that even against a 35-year-old woman.
[Cuomo:] And he's got just the momentum now on his side. And the only challenge will be if going negative on the president is enough in this state. What do you think of that in terms of her ability to counter the negativity with saying, well, I have better ideas?
[Bash:] It's going to be hard because he's making this a national election. She is very emphatically saying it's not about the president. He is not on the ballot. It's about me. I can represent Kentucky better than he can. It's time for a change, all of the kinds of arguments you hear typically from a challenger. But it is going to be very hard because, Chris, Mitch McConnell is also playing another card, and that is the Senate majority leader card. He's playing to Kentuckians sense of pride. It's really fascinating to watch that he's not running for his seniority. He's saying, look, only one other time in history have we had a chance to have a majority leader from Kentucky. I'm your next guy. And after me it's not going to happen for generations probably. So that's another thing that he's running on. Unclear if that's actually going to work here.
[Cuomo:] Very interesting. Let's take another step down that road. It sounds counterintuitive because nationally you could argue, well, he's got trouble. He's been in there and a lot of factions in his party are not happy with the leadership. But in his home state maybe that's not the lens. You're saying the lens might just be the history of it.
[Bash:] That's what he's hoping. He's hoping that's the case. But, you know, just to counter that, look at what happened last night. Even among Republicans, those in his own party, he won he says he lost 30 plus percent of the vote to somebody who was not well-known at all but just because the opponent, Matt Bevin, wasn't Mitch McConnell. So he's going to have a challenge also in getting those Republicans back into the fold, because if the trend continues, that it is a neck and neck race which polls have shown up until now it has been, he does lose even just a small percentage of those voters, and chances are that would mean they would just stay home and say forget it, I'm not going to go vote, that could hurt him. So that's why the McConnell campaign knows, they've been prepared for this, that this first month, two months is absolutely critical because Alison Lundergan Grimes is so undefined that they are going to try to define her big time, and it's going to happen in a lot of ways that probably we're not going to see until later on in the game.
[Cuomo:] I'll tell you, when we look at the local races to see what might lap on the big national stage, and one message that's clear is that money from outside groups is going to be bigger than ever. They had over $1 million from these Tea Party sympathetic groups going after Mitch McConnell. It's interesting to see how much ammo they wind up wasting against their own. That will be an interesting dynamic as well.
[Bash:] And real quick, on both sides, because Alison Lundergan Grimes is the darling of the Democratic Party for lots of reasons, but the primary reason is because they on a national level want to topple the Senate Republican leaders. So they are also sending so much money into this state, from super PACs, from the national party, you name it. That's the other thing you hear from McConnell, saying that she's part of the Hollywood elite because that's where she's getting her money, which doesn't play well here in Kentucky.
[Cuomo:] It has been and it just gets more and more true. The problem in politics isn't the illegal money, it's the legal money that's allowed to come in. Dana Bash, thank you very much for dealing with the complexities of that state and the complexities of wind during a live shot, beautifully done. See how she was sweeping her beautiful blond hair out of the way and still able to speak. Very difficult to do, very well executed. We're going to have more on the primaries coming up on "INSIDE POLITICS" with John King coming up.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Also new this morning, President Obama will be sitting down with VA Secretary Eric Shinseki for a meeting at the White House today. This as the administration continues to the battle to contain the growing outrage over the potentially deadly wait times for veterans who were seeking care at VA facilities. Now officials say they're investigating 26 different VA hospitals and clinics, and the president is dispatching a top aide to the Phoenix VA facility where CNN first reported on those secret wait lists. Let's get over to Michelle Kosinski first, who is at the White House with much more. What are we learning maybe about the meeting or the response coming from the administration, Michelle?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn Correspondent:] VA Secretary Shinseki has faced multiple calls now for his resignation. Questions from the president as to why he wouldn't give interviews for a long time, but the administration has really stood behind him, in fact detailing his successes over the last several years in trying to make the VA better. This morning though he has been called to meet directly with President Obama in the Oval Office. Also in attendance will be that top administration adviser Rob Nabors who has been tapped to work alongside the VA investigation. President Obama has also faced questions as to why he hasn't come out and spoken publicly about this widening scandal. The White House says that will happen soon. So this raises at least the possibility that we could hear from the president as early as today. Also, it will be interesting to see what comes out of this meeting. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Absolutely right, and what comes out when Rob Nabors heads down to that Phoenix facility and what he finds. Michelle, thank you very much live from the White House for us this morning. Let's discuss this more with Dr. Samuel Foote, a retired VA physician who first told CNN about workers covering up long delays at VA hospitals, specifically the facility he worked at. Dr. Foot, thank you for coming in with us this morning.
[Dr. Samuel Foote, Retired Va Hospital Physician:] Thank you, Kate, for having me on your show.
[Bolduan:] Of course. So you say you knew this was happening at your facility in Phoenix. Now we hear that 26 VA facilities are under investigation for similar problems. Did you have any idea that the problems you saw in Phoenix could have been happening on such a large scale?
[Foote:] Yes, I did. I talked to people in Spokane, and also in Albuquerque, so I knew it was going on everywhere else as well.
[Bolduan:] So it's not a surprise to you?
[Foote:] No, no, ma'am.
[Bolduan:] What does it tell you about the system? Did you speak up when it was happening? You spoke to other people in other facilities. What was the discussion?
[Foote:] Well, basically that the problem is that if the director of the local hospital director turns in good number to the veterans and graded service network director, they look good. If the numbers go to Washington and Congress asks them about it the Congress rather, the VA looks good. So there's really no incentive for the upper management to getting accurate numbers.
[Bolduan:] So the director of the Phoenix VA system, Sharon Helman, she has been put on leave. Did you work closely with her? Is that enough? Does that fix the problem in Phoenix?
[Foote:] I would say I never worked closely with Sharon Helman but I was well aware with what she and her administrative staff were doing. There's still, the new director is still putting out that their average waiting time for new patients is 55 days when it's six months. I have no idea why he's still getting that. I can only imagine that he's getting bad information from someone there.
[Bolduan:] It sounds like you don't think the problem is even close to being fixed yet. Deputy chief of staff to the president Rob Nabors, a very close adviser of his who is well -respected in getting things done. He's heading down to Phoenix to interview the interim director, to look at the VA facility. What is he going to find, what do you think?
[Foote:] I think so the VA needs to get out of the delay and deny mode and start admitting that there really is a problem, and that's generally the first step in solving a problem is admitting you have one. And then I think they're going to have to be much more candid with Congress so Congress can assist them where they need assistance.
[Bolduan:] Do you think Rob Nabors is going to get that?
[Foote:] I don't know what they're going to say to him. I doubt I'll be privy to that conversation.
[Bolduan:] So folks are disputing your claims. Top Phoenix VA officials have said that they deny any knowledge of any secret list, that they have said that they never ordered any staff to hide their wait times. What do you say? Are they going to find clear evidence to prove your claims?
[Foote:] William Shawnhart, who was the boss of all of the vision directors in 2010, basically put out a memo with all the various gaming strategies and told all his people not to do it. So the VA has known for many years that this has been going on. And again, in terms of the allegation that I originally made, that was up to 40 people may have died while waiting for care at the Phoenix VA, we never made the comment that they all died because of the wait, just that they were dying while waiting for care. And I'm pretty confident the IG will uphold that.
[Bolduan:] Dr. Foote, at the end of the day, who do you blame?
[Foote:] That's tough, because there's certainly a lot of that to go around. The VA bureaucracy has engaged in cover-up and they're still doing cover-ups now. Their delay and deny policy just really needs to come to a stop and they need to be more transparent. They need to grant interviews when interviews are requested and explain themselves. As long as they continue it's like a secret club for the senior executive service. And once you get into that you no longer have to answer to anybody, it seems.
[Bolduan:] Why do you think that Eric Shinseki, the secretary of veterans affairs, that he should stay in that position?
[Foote:] Well, that's a complicated question. I think the greatest danger is if he leaves, then it will shift the focus away from correcting the problem to who the new chief of staff is going to be. And he knows he should know who he can count on in that organization and who he can't. And what he really needs to do is quit taking a passive role and letting somebody like Dr. Petzel run the operation and take a more hands-on approach. I think if he does that then he should stay. If he's unwilling or not capable of that for whatever reason, then the president should remove him. But I think one last chance to have him jump up to it and get going is what we really need.
[Bolduan:] And real quick, one final note, the president's spokesman has said he has known about the issues at the VA for a very long time although he did not know about the extent of the issues, especially at the Phoenix facility, until CNN's reporting and other reporting came out. The president has not spoken out in three weeks, I believe, since this has broken. What do you want to hear from the president because the White House says he could speak soon?
[Foote:] Well, I would like to see him be fully supportive of the investigation and looking into the allegations. I think the most important thing we need here is accurate numbers. And if Debra Draper and the GAO, General Accountability Office, could do a truly anonymous survey, which most VA surveys never are, but a truly anonymous survey of the providers and the staff at the facilities and get the numbers, and then give the directors a one-week amnesty period to report the real numbers and compare the two. If the numbers match, fine. But if the numbers don't match, then the IG will need to go out and investigate them. And if they fudge the numbers yet again, then I think those directors need to be fired and persecuted.
[Bolduan:] And we will see, but unfortunately as this happens, as the investigation continues, while important, it sounds like more veterans continue to wait for their service, to have their care and the service of the VA. Dr. Samuel Foote, thank you very much for coming on. We'll speak to you soon.
[Foote:] Thank you very much.
[Bolduan:] Of course. Michaela?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] All right, Kate, thank you so much. Let's look at your headlines at this hour. This morning a stream of terror threats has intelligence officials concerned about potential Al Qaeda strikes inside the U.S. Officials telling CNN the threat stream is evolving but none of the threats have been corroborated. They're trying to determine how the threats may be linked and what it could reveal about Al Qaeda's strength in other countries. This morning members of Congress will focus on another terror group, Boko Haram in Nigeria. They are going to hear from a 15-year-old girl who survived a Boko Haram attack and is originally from the village where they abducted nearly 300 schoolgirls. Six weeks later, despite an international search effort, still no sign of the girls. We're also learning of more Boko Haram attacks. And 30 people killed in two villages in northeastern Nigeria this week. Police now say a suicide bomber was behind the first of three bombings in central Nigeria that killed at least 118 people. We show you some stunning video out of Minnesota. You see a school bus burst into flames at the highway. That's not the stunning part. The crazy thing is, as the bus burns, suddenly, watch this, it starts moving. It starts rolling down the freeway towards a fire truck that is sitting just yards away. Look at this. Imagine that you see this hurdling towards you. Smartly, though, the fire crews quickly hustle to get the truck out of the way, no time to spare. Here, look at this. Back it up just before the bus veers off the road. We do know the fire is under investigation. They're looking for the cause. Thankfully no children were on board the bus and we're told the driver is just fine.
[Bolduan:] Talk about just in time.
[Pereira:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] That looks like some kind of possessed devil bus.
[Pereira:] I know, yes.
[Cuomo:] That sounds terrible. At least they were able to get it out of the way and get it put out. Coming up on NEW DAY, many have wondered if NFL players need to be drugged up to play with the injuries that occur. Well, guess what, a player is saying yes, they do. They're given painkillers, and the teams lie to them about what effects the drugs will have. He and others are suing for damage to their health that they say they never saw coming. We have the details ahead.

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[Christi Paul, Co-host:] You're looking at live pictures of the Vatican. A million people plus expected there to be watching what you are seeing is an unprecedented situation, the canonization of two new popes, two new popes well, two former popes. Now we have two new saints in the world.
[Victor Blackwell, Co-host:] While there are two popes living there present there at Vatican City. We're following this big story all throughout the hour, but first, we're going to start NEW DAY with this controversy in the NBA that's caught the attention of not only athletes and fans and people here across the country but President Obama. He's in the middle of his week-long trip to Asia. Today he spoke out on the firestorm surrounding Donald Sterling, the owner of one of the league's south teams, the L.A. Clippers. Sterling is dominating headlines this morning. He's accused of making racist remarks.
[Paul:] This conversation between Sterling and his girlfriend all recorded and apparently sparked by a photo of that girlfriend with Magic Johnson that she posted on Instagram.
[Unidentified Female:] I saw someone I admire. I admire Magic Johnson.
[Donald Sterling, Owner, L.a. Clippers:] OK, good.
[Unidentified Female:] I'm sorry. He's made a lot of changes for his community, for the world, for the people, for the minorities. He's helped a lot of people.
[Sterling:] Why you forcing this down my throat? I'm finished talking to you. I have nothing more are to say.
[Unidentified Female:] I took a picture with someone I admired.
[Sterling:] Good.
[Unidentified Female:] And he happens to be black, and I'm sorry.
[Sterling:] I think it's nice that you admire him. I know him well, and he should be admired. And I'm just saying that it's too bad you can't admire him privately, and during your entire
[Blackwell:] The tape which was made public by TMZ, is sparking reaction not only from the sports world but, as we told you, from the president. He had this to say during the stop in Malaysia, during his Asia tour.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything. You just let them talk, and that's that's what happened here.
[Paul:] Now, Magic Johnson, the subject of at least part of Sterling's rant, airing his thoughts on Twitter, calling the remarks, quote, "a black eye for the NBA" and adding, quote, "My wife and I will never go to a Clippers game again as long as Donald Sterling is the owner."
[Blackwell:] We're also hearing from NBA hall of famer and TNT Sports host Charles Barkley, who says that NBA commissioner Adam Silver must take swift action regarding Sterling.
[Charles Barkley, Nba Hall Of Famer:] This is the first test of Adam Silver. He's got to suspend him right now.
[Blackwell:] Well, for his part, Silver, who has only been in the top job for a few months now, denounced the remarks but also called for patience as the league investigates.
[Adam Silver, Nba Commissioner:] The audio recording posted by TMZ is truly offensive and disturbing. And we intend to get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible. All members of the NBA family should be afforded due process and a fair opportunity to present their side of any controversy. Which is why I'm not yet prepared to discuss any potential sanctions against Donald Sterling.
[Paul:] So let's dig a little deeper into this with CNN's Andy Scholes, who's joining us, along with Jason Johnson, HLN contributor and professor of political science at Hiram College. Thank you both for being here. We appreciate it.
[Blackwell:] So Andy, the commissioner talked about the process, but there are a number of things that the league can do. Let's talk about those.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports:] Yes. The most likely thing to happen is a fine and a suspension. You know, an NBA owner has never been suspended before, so that would be a big step in itself. And a fine, Donald Sterling is worth, according to "Forbes," about $1.9 billion, so it's going to be irrelevant to fine the man. But a suspension, if you suspend him indefinitely, maybe for a year. You know, he is 80 years old, so he's getting up there in age. That's the most likely scenario to happen. Now, people are saying, well, can they take the NBA team away from them? Now of course, that's never happened. Now, the NBA Constitutional, it's confidential. We really don't know what's in there, but according to reports, there's no there's no bylaws or anything that say a team can be taken away from an owner just based on, you know, reprehensible language or actions such as we're hearing from Sterling, if that is, in fact, him on the tape. So that's unlikely to happen. It's also unlikely to happen because NBA owners will probably be reluctant to set a precedent like that, that if they have actions or language that, you know, such as Sterling that their team can be taken away from them. So the most likely thing to happen is a fine and suspension. We'll have to see how the investigation plays out, as Adam Silver said last night during his press conference. But he did say he has broad powers in place to hand down a range of sanctions.
[Paul:] OK, Jason, let me ask you. First of all, we need to be clear, they haven't Don Sterling's team has not denied this, nor have they confirmed it.
[Jason Johnson, Hln Contributor:] True.
[Paul:] We need to be clear about that, for one thing. But when it comes to Don Sterling, OK, that's him. What about the players? There was, I think, the former Clipper guard Ron Harper in a phone interview said that "Sterling took care of me when I played there, but if I had known then what I know now, there's no way I would have ever played for him." Some people are saying the players should take a stand. How likely is it that a player who's making seven figures and this is his livelihood is going to say, "I'm going to give it up. I'm not playing for this guy"?
[Johnson:] Yes, they're not going to do that, because there's money involved. And also because they don't know what the consequences could be for them. You can't just not show up at work because your boss is a jerk. I think that could any of us in trouble. So what they're looking at right now is they're looking at Chris Paul, and they're trying to see, since he's the head of the players union, what can they actually do to show their disdain and dislike for this guy? And really, this is a failure of leadership on so many levels: on Adam Silver's part, on David [SIC] Sterling's part. This is not the first time we've had an owner get in trouble, and they should have had rules to deal with these kind of situations.
[Blackwell:] You know, I was reading some of the tweets from the coaches, some of the players, Andy. And there's one that stood out to me. Baron Davis, former Clippers guard, now retired. And the tweet is "That's the way it is. He's honest about what he believes in. Been going on for a long time. Hats off to the team for playing above it all." It seems like that is probably an anomaly, compared to all the other comments from you know, you've got Kobe Bryant saying, "I couldn't play for him." What are you seeing?
[Scholes:] Well, yes, LeBron said there's basically just no room for Donald Sterling in the NBA, and Adam Silver was asked, "What do you think about LeBron's comments?" Of course he said we're, you know, in the due process, in the investigation, we have to see how it plays out. But there's a lot of players out there saying, "We wouldn't play for him. There's no room for this in the NBA." You have guys like Magic Johnson, who is, of course, the subject of that conversation, saying, "I'm never going to a Clippers game again." You have Jalen Rose saying the same thing, "I'm never going to a Clippers game again." And this is going to be a big issue going forward, if Donald Sterling, in terms of, like, free agency and NBA players. You go back just to last year when Chris Paul was a free agent, if this was out there and he was getting, you know, similar offers of course, the Clippers could offer him a little more money but if he was getting similar money and knew this, would you got play for the Clippers or would you go play somewhere else?
[Blackwell:] Yes. And that's a serious conversation we had about, do you make that decision based on money? Seven million dollars, would you turn it down to say, "I can't work for the guy."
[Johnson:] That's not going to happen. Look, this isn't new. Let's be honest. Everybody knew.
[Paul:] That's what I wanted to ask you about. I mean, since '09 there have been issues.
[Johnson:] This guy has gotten in trouble. He was talking to a Villanova coach, saying, I want you to coach a team of "N" words" back in the '90s. OK, every single person knows what kind of guy Donald Sterling is. Magic Johnson knows what kind of person. You think Elgin Baylor didn't tell Magic the kind of things that were going on in the organization? So I think a lot of this is people feeling comfortable now expressing disdain that they've always had for him. But dollars are going to make people go for the team. The bigger issue is the NBA's black eye and what do they do about this?
[Blackwell:] You know, what really stood out to me is this nomination for the lifetime achievement award from the L.A. chapter of the NAACP. Now, the state president put out this statement. I'm going to read just one sentence. "We urge the L.A. branch of the NAACP to withdraw Donald Sterling from the honorary list at its upcoming gala, also that we suggest African-Americans and Latinos should honor his request and not attend the games." But I was conversing with a friend last night, and I have the tweet. I'm not going to read his name, but he says about that potential boycott, "What happens to all the hard-working people who really represent that brand? This man is just the money behind it. Make him suffer, but how do you know how do you do that, rather, without making the person who needs that next check to pay for rent suffer?"
[Johnson:] Well, there's a lot of ways you can do it. And this is where the league failed. They should have rules in place for how you can financially and politically and publicly embarrass and suspend an owner. And they don't have that right now. This is why this is a bigger issue. You have Chris Paul, Cliff Paul. You have, you know, you have the two most marketable guys in the NBA who happen to be on this team and, like, the second largest market in the country. How could David Stern and Adam Silver not already have a plan in place? They had an owner before who was in trouble for sleeping with a secretary. An owner got in trouble for sleeping with a babysitter. They've had problems in the past. They should have a better way to do this. And, no, regular people don't need to suffer for David Stern's [SIC] for David [SIC] Sterling's bigotry.
[Scholes:] You've got to feel bad for the Clippers' coaches and players. You know, Doc Rivers and Chris Paul. These guys did nothing wrong. The fans did nothing wrong.
[Blackwell:] And it's a big moment.
[Scholes:] They have a big game today against the Warriors in game four of their series. So you know, people are saying they shouldn't play. Well, these guys worked all year for this. If you're a fan of the team, like, if you're a fan, Victor, and you're waiting for this game, why should you suffer because this guy...?
[Paul:] You don't punish the players.
[Scholes:] Exactly. You know, you need to find a way to punish Donald Sterling, but the Clippers organization from him down, you know, should not see something happen to them because of this. Like I said, all the fans have been looking for it. This is the playoffs. It's been great so far. It's a shame that we have to talk about this with the great first round of NBA playoffs we're having so far.
[Blackwell:] We're going to continue this conversation. We'll have you back at 7. We'll see you back at 8. Thank you both for joining this conversation, our conversation. People are talking about this, not just in the sports world.
[Paul:] I know.
[Blackwell:] And with the president in Malaysia having a conversation, we certainly had to start with it this morning.
[Paul:] That definitely brings it into the headlines. No doubt about it. Thank you both so much for being here. All righty. We have now, what, more than 50 days.
[Blackwell:] Yes, day 51 in the search for Flight 370. President Obama is promising more aid to the search effort. Plus, as tensions in Ukraine escalate the president is pushing for an international solution. Why he says countries have to be united if sanctions against Russia are going to work at all.

[Cooper:] Welcome back, live from Kiev. As we reported last night in the program, Senator Lindsay Graham has been one of the most vocal critiques of the Obama White House over the last few days. He lit up Twitter with a series of tweets in which he bluntly blamed the crisis in Ukraine on U.S. foreign policy. And his most provocative tweet probably, he wrote this and said, it started with Benghazi, when you kill Americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggression. That comment and others he made have some crying foul. Today, chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash asked Senator Graham about his remarks. Dana joins me now. So Dana, you talked to Senator Graham, what did he have to say?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Well, you know, Anderson, Lindsey Graham is a Republican who actually worked with the Democratic president on national security issues in the past, but today he told me he has, in his words, gone, quote, "way too long without speaking bluntly about the president's foreign policy." And he was eager to explain his criticism to me.
[Bash:] Senator, one of the tweets that you sent that's getting a lot of attention raising eyebrows is about Benghazi. You said about the situation in the Ukraine, it really in many ways started with Benghazi when our consulate was over run and our first ambassador was killed. How on earth is what's happenings in the Ukraine a result of what happened in Benghazi?
[Sen. Lindsey Graham , South Carolina:] It's not just about Ukraine. It's about our standing in the world. Wow you agree with Snowden is a hero or a traitor when our president tells them don't give him asylum, that hurts us. When you tell the Egyptian military, don't put Morsi and his crowd in jail, you challenge them to turn control back over to civilians, and nothing happens, that hurts us. When you draw a red line and you tell Assad, when you use chemical weapons on your own people, that will be a red line, and you flinch. When you tell the world, we're going to find the people that killed our four Americans in Libya including the ambassador and you do nothing about it, whether you agree with this policy in Syria or Egypt, whether you agree with his policies, when he tells people there are going to be consequences and there are none, it sets in motion exactly what you see.
[Bash:] But it just seems like a stretch to talk about the U.S., a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed, to take that to Vladimir Putin.
[Graham:] I didn't say that Putin basically ignored Obama because of Benghazi alone.
[Bash:] I printed out a series of tweets and it was sort of rapid fire mean tweeting at the president. Really personal.
[Graham:] It is personal.
[Bash:] Calling him weak and indecisive, no fewer than three times.
[Graham:] I think he is.
[Bash:] But by saying these things, aren't you making him weaker in the eyes of Putin by someone like you with your stature calling him weak and indecisive.
[Graham:] During the Iraq war, did Senator Obama criticize Bush's policies? Did people go on the floor and say that Bush lied to us about weapons of mass destruction. Didn't Harry Reid go on the floor and say that the Iraq was lost? The point I'm trying to make is that there's been too many times in the last six months where the president has told people, if you don't do what I say, there will be consequences and nothing's happened.
[Bash:] You are in the middle of a Republican primary, back in your state?
[Graham:] Exactly.
[Bash:] You say the word Benghazi, it is red meat for the Republican base. You know that.
[Graham:] Republicans and independents want it no more.
[Bash:] This isn't about primary politics back home?
[Graham:] Everything I have done has been about what I think is best for the country. I think it's best to find the truth about Benghazi. When my primary is over and I'm going to win, I'm going to still be on Benghazi.
[Bash:] Now what is fascinating is that despite the partisan divide you just heart there, which is very deep over the reasons for the crisis in the Ukraine, there's surprising similarity among Republicans and Democrats about what is absolutely not an option and that is military action Anderson.
[Cooper:] I spoke to Senator Marco Rubio last night on the program who actually was in favor of much of what the Obama White House has done thus far, which was certainly interesting to hear from Senator Rubio. Dana, I appreciate the reporting, thanks.
[Bash:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] And we'll be right back.

[Natasha Curry:] Tonight, on the "Top Five Countdown," Kim`s shocking selfie. Check her out. Kim`s back. Her baby weight is gone. She set the Internet on fire after posting this revealing new photo. So is it too much of a good thing? You know what I`m talking about. Plus, Miley stuffs herself into a suitcase. Yes. All right. So Miley, we know you`re all about controversy, but what the heck are you doing stuffed in a suitcase with D.J. Redfoo watching there? I don`t know. I`m going to reveal all of it. Plus, I`m bringing you brand-new revelations about Miley`s life before fame in an eye-opening special report. SBT starts right now. Hey, there. How you doing? I`m Natasha Curry in for A.J. Hammer, and our special report on the life of Miley Cyrus, including new revelations from those closest to her, is coming up for you. But first, I want to begin with our countdown of today`s top five must-see, must-share stories of the day. And talk about must-see. At No. 5, baby weight? What baby weight? Check out Kim Kardashian`s backside selfie here. It just went crazy viral, basically sticking it to all those haters that she got her sexy back, so kiss it. Jenny Hutt, host of "Just Jenny" on Sirius XM Radio, is with us tonight.
[Jenny Hutt, Host, Sirius Xm Radio`s "just Jenny":] Yes.
[Curry:] Jenny, you`re a mom, too. What do you think? Cover up that, you know, side boobage or work it, Mama? What do you think?
[Hutt:] First of all, I think good for her that she`s working it.
[Curry:] Right.
[Hutt:] I mean, if that was my tushie, I`d probably want it displayed like that for the rest of the universe. However, because I`m a mom, and I`ve had this conversation with my husband, I won`t post naked pictures or almost naked pictures, because I mean, that`s the only reason why. Because I don`t want to upset my children.
[Curry:] Oh, yes.
[Hutt:] And by the way, or anyone else who would see them, because this uncovered.
[Curry:] I almost want to frame it and put it on my refrigerator to make me behave, because I mean, she really dropped that baby weight.
[Hutt:] To make you behave? Natasha, you`re like the most gorgeous thing ever. Are you kidding me?
[Curry:] Girl, I couldn`t even put my fat cankle after having a baby into part of that suit. She did well. And she captioned this picture #NoFilter. But after her honey Kanye saw this comment, he tweeted, "Heading home now." So can we get Frangela from VH-1`s "Best Week Ever" joins us from Hollywood. Fran, I`m wondering: maybe baby No. 2 is going to be on the way soon. What do you think? She`s looking good.
[Frances Callier, Co-host, "idiot Of The Week":] Yes, after that picture, yes.
[Angela V. Shelton, Co-host, "idiot Of The Week":] I don`t know where she`s carrying it. She may be pregnant now. Maybe her uterus is in a different place.
[Curry:] Angela, what do you think of Kim`s selfie?
[Shelton:] I think in her defense there may not be enough fabric on the planet, No. 1.
[Curry:] Right. Right. Yes, No. 2, go for it.
[Shelton:] No. 2, we feel like, you know what? This is how she and Kanye, this is how they communicate.
[Callier:] Absolutely. We`re just all lucky to be able to be part of this relationship.
[Shelton:] They don`t know each over well enough to actually give each other, you know, their cell-phone numbers, clearly, so they have to do the Instagram and the Twitter. And when they feel like they know each other better, maybe then it will be every part of their relationship.
[Callier:] It`s foreplay.
[Curry:] That`s hilarious. This picture is making everybody wonder. Maybe Kim, she`s gearing up to pose for "Playboy" again. Because you know, on the latest episode of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians," which you know, was shot while she was pregnant, Kim said that she wanted to do another "Playboy" spread. Watch.
[Kim Kardashian, Reality Tv Star:] As soon as I pop this thing out, as soon as I get in shape, the first thing I want to do is, like, "Playboy" or some nude shoot. I just want to, like, walk down the street fully naked. You have no idea.
[Unidentified Female:] You are so adventurous.
[Kardashian:] I`m going to be, like, a sexy hot mom.
[Unidentified Female:] You`re getting your sexy back?
[Kardashian:] Yes.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, man.
[Curry:] And they say after having a baby, you lose all modesty. But maybe she lost it a long time ago, if you know what I mean? Jenny, she posed for "Playboy" back in 2007. Is it time for a repeat or should she put some clothes on? What do you think, quickly?
[Hutt:] I say go for it.
[Curry:] Yes. Yes?
[Hutt:] Yes. Of course. I mean, surprise, she wants to be naked. Hello.
[Curry:] Yes. All right. Well, we`ll see what she does, and we`ll tell you. You know that. Moving on now to No. 4 on our countdown: a comedy controversy that nobody`s laughing about today. "Saturday Night Live" has been getting slammed after announcing its brand- new cast. So the issue here? Well, for the sixth year in a row, the show has no black comedians who are women. And now "SNL`s" Keenan Thompson is getting scorched on Twitter after just telling "TV Guide" that`s because there`s a shortage of good black female comedians? Here`s what he said: "It`s just a tough part of the business. Like in auditions, they just never find ones that are ready." Francis, Angela. I`m betting you think he`s got that all wrong for sure. What do you think?
[Callier:] Absolutely. You know, he`s shutting the door on all African- American comedians. How can you do that?
[Fulton:] Also, though, it is the funniest thing he`s ever said.
[Curry:] Well, comedian Sherry Shepard, she co-hosts "The View," and she`s really ticked off about this, pointing out this has always been a problem on "SNL." Watch here what she said.
[Sherry Shepard, Co-host, Abc`s "the View":] That really insults me, because I feel like after in 39 years you`ve had four black very funny female comedians who are regular cast members.
[Barbara Walter, Co-host, Abc`s "the View":] Do you think they`re against black women or women?
[Shepard:] They`re not doing the work to find funny women of color. There are so you`re not doing the work if you tell me that there`s no funny black women or women of color.
[Curry:] All right. So Angela, does Sherry have that right?
[Fulton:] There`s a lot of things at work here. No. 1, I wish that we as a community, whether that be women or black people, if we could support each other. That would be great for a change.
[Callier:] Yes.
[Fulton:] But on top of that, the reality is that the feeding grounds that "SNL" uses primarily for their comedians are improv-based theaters, and they aren`t integrated very well. You know, it`s just not a community that has a lot of minorities in it. But there are tons of funny black women out here. Right here.
[Callier:] Right here.
[Curry:] Exactly. You guys would be great. Ready to go.
[Fulton:] That`s what I`m trying to say.
[Curry:] Yes. We tried to be very we reached out to "SNL" today, but they didn`t get back to us by our deadline. But I want to...
[Fulton:] I`m shocked.
[Callier:] Shocking.
[Fulton:] Right after Keenan`s comments went viral, "SNL" announced "Scandal`s" Kerry Washington is going to host the show November 2. So Fran, coincidence or do you smell a rat?
[Callier:] Oh, my goodness. I can smell this all the way here in Los Angeles.
[Fulton:] We need a black person. Get us a black person.
[Callier:] There`s one in the walls.
[Fulton:] Come out! Throw out some kind of bait.
[Curry:] Well, "SNL`s" Jay Pharoah has this suggestion. He said, "Why don`t you hire Darmirra Brunson," who stars on Tyler Perry`s TV show, "Love Thy Neighbor." And you know that Sherry Shepard said the very same thing. I want you here to check out Darmirra`s sketch on her YouTube channel. This is channeling Beyonce from her documentary, "Life is But a Dream."
[Darmirra Brunson, Comedian:] Sometimes I ask myself why was I given this life. Why did God give me all these gifts? This amazing family. This big-ass house. And then I remember, it`s because I`m light-skinned.
[Curry:] Aww. Angela. She`s hysterical.
[Fulton:] It`s ridiculous to say there aren`t funny black women out here. I find it reprehensible that Keenan would do that.
[Callier:] Yes.
[Fulton:] It really is insulting. And I`m kind of sick of being insulted by male comedians. You know?
[Curry:] You could have a comedian-off. What do you think? Should Lorne Michaels I don`t know should give you guys a call? Because you guys, like you said, you`re ready to go. You`re making me laugh.
[Fulton:] We`re kind of busy. We left a meeting for another show where we were being paid to be funny.
[Callier:] Yes.
[Fulton:] He can call our people. We might be able to schedule something.
[Curry:] I love it. Ladies, thanks. Coming in at No. 3 on the countdown, let`s move on to this. What on earth is Miley Cyrus doing hiding inside a suitcase belonging to LMFAO`s D.J. Redfoo? Watch this.
[Unidentified Male:] Anything in your pockets? Anything else?
[D.j. Redfoo, Lmfao:] Yes.
[Curry:] This reminded me of the boy dance party a little bit there. Anyway, somehow she managed to lose her clothes yet again. That was a promo for MTV`s EMA Awards in Amsterdam on November 10. Miley`s going to perform. What`s she going to do? Is she going to twerk at the EMA`s like she did at the VMA`s? Who knows? Frances, I know you played Miley`s bodyguard on "Hannah Montana." What do you think? Should we be bracing ourself for that foam finger next time around here?
[Callier:] I hope she`s got two foam fingers next time.
[Fulton:] That`s right. Amp it up. Amp it up. Don`t go the other direction, Miley. Roxy has got your back.
[Callier:] Yes. Roxy`s still got your back.
[Curry:] And you know, Angela, to the point, don`t you think if Miley`s really looking to shock people, she can do something just obscenely wild and just wear some clothes and sing a cappella.
[Fulton:] That might cause a rip in the space time continuum. That would be crazy.
[Callier:] Yes.
[Fulton:] OK, let`s not get crazy. I would like to point out she didn`t have over three ounces of liquids with her, and that was good. In that suitcase. She`s following guidelines.
[Curry:] It was really cute. I mean, she did ham it up a little bit, though, in that suitcase. I was kind of impressed by that.
[Callier:] Yes.
[Curry:] And Jenny, keep in mind: the EMAs are in Amsterdam. I`m just saying.
[Callier:] How else is she going to get there?
[Hutt:] Maybe salvia. Maybe she`s going to Amsterdam for the salvia. Right. It`s legal. So is hash.
[Callier:] Go for it.
[Fulton:] Show it all. Show all your good-and-plenties. Go. Be free. Be free.
[Callier:] Break free from Hannah Montana.
[Curry:] Look at that little smile on her face. Who knows what she`s got up her sleeve?
[Callier:] I love her.
[Curry:] If she had a sleeve. If she had a sleeve. Well, I want you to know: at the bottom of the hour tonight, right here on SBT, we have an eye-opening special report on the life of Miley and the story you have never heard about her, probably, before she was Hannah Montana. Frances, so having done the show with her, were you ticked off when she recently said that Hannah Montana was basically dead to her?
[Callier:] You know what? I think that when she looks back in ten years, she`s going to take that back. Because on the show she was so grateful and great, and she was a great kid. And she just wants, I`m sure, just like a Britney Spears, like a lot of what Madonna...
[Fulton:] Like us.
[Callier:] Yes.
[Fulton:] She wants to grow up.
[Callier:] She wants to grow up.
[Fulton:] Let us grow up, America.
[Curry:] Jenny, Frangela, ladies, thank you so much. Had a lot of fun with you. And don`t forget: You can listen to Jenny on "Just Jenny" on Sirius XM Radio. And check out Frangela`s podcast on iTunes. It`s called "Idiot of the Week." And tonight`s countdown is just starting to sizzle. We`re just getting warmed up, because it`s not just because, you know, Charlie Hunnam is making headlines. Tonight, the brand-new clues about why he really left "50 Shades of Grey." Was it all over a shockingly low salary? But are former "OC" star Mischa Barton`s jaw-dropping breakdown revelations even more startling?
[Unidentified Female:] Wake up. Wake up.
[Curry:] How Mischa`s fairytale story of fame turned into a nightmare. So you`re wondering which stunning story will be No. 1 on this big countdown? We`re excited. This is SBT on HLN.

[Brown:] In Washington, it could be tough to keep a secret, but apparently it's easy to keep a secret from Congress. That's according to one Republican Congressman. 80 to 90 Obama administration officials knew about the plan to swap five Taliban members who were being held at Guantanamo Bay for captured U.S. soldier, Bowe Bergdahl. Earlier today, the White House said discretion was imperative.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] And the reason for that is simple. This is a secret military mission, in which disclosure of the mission could put into jeopardy, not just the life of Sergeant Bergdahl, but also the lives of the American servicemen who were involved in the mission. So discretion of a discretion on this matter was important. And that's why the number of people who were aware of this military operation in advance was even smaller.
[Brown:] Last night, after members of the full House were briefed, many of them emerged more angry over the White House's secret deal. And it appears many Americans also have doubts. According to a "CBS News" poll, 56 percent of Americans say the price was too high. And in that same poll, nearly three in four Americans say President Obama should have notified Congress before the deal was made. Joining me now to discuss this, Dana Bash, chief congressional correspondent. Great to have you here with us, Dana.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Thank you.
[Brown:] Let's talk about this. One of the most sensitive operations ever undertaken, we're talking about taking down Osama bin Laden, Congress was told about it in secret, in the lead-up. So what's the difference now? Has Congress become less trustworthy?
[Bash:] Well, if you ask House Speaker John Boehner, who revealed today that he knew about the possibility of the bin Laden raid six months beforehand, there's not much of a difference, in that the bottom line is that Congress, if it's top-secret, can keep a secret. The White House argues that they gave the Congress similar heads-up about these raids in general. On the one hand, yes, they gave Congress information about what was going to go on with bin Laden, but didn't tell them, you know, in the days before that it was going to happen right away. Same thing with Bergdahl. There are major differences, though, as you know, Pam. Primarily, when you're talking about the bin Laden raid, that was a military operation and that was the end of it. You're talking about what happened with Bergdahl, it was a political decision, and a political deal that they made. Military operation, plus the very controversial decision to release the prisoners. So in talking to many sources, that is why they think, on capitol hill, Congress was not informed right beforehand. Not so much because of a trust issue, but because when they had told them about the idea of this back in the end of 2011, in a bipartisan way, many people in Congress thought it was a bad idea. So the suspicion, very strong suspicion, in a bipartisan way, is that's the reason why they didn't come to Congress in the days before this actually happened.
[Brown:] And, Dana, House Speaker John Boehner had something else to say today. Let's take a listen to what he said.
[Rep. John Boehner, , Speaker Of The House:] We're glad that Bergdahl is back. But the biggest issue here is the violation of a policy that the United States has had for many, many years that we don't negotiate with terrorists. And the fact is that we have violated that policy. And as a result, we've made Americans less safe here and all around the world. And we're going to pay for this. There is not any doubt in my mind, there are going to be costs of lives associated lost lives associated with what came out of this.
[Bash:] Pam, just as I was saying before you played that sound bite, if you want to know what kind of resistance you had on Capitol Hill, that really speaks to it. People thought it was a terrible idea in private and in classified settings beforehand. Now you're hearing the House speaker do it. It should be underscored we hear a lot of partisan rhetoric, a lot of it, and you might sort of it might go over people's heads. But just to hear the House speaker effectively say the president put Americans in harm's way with this swap is pretty chilling.
[Brown:] Yeah, a strong statement. That's for sure. Dana Bash, thank you very much for breaking it down for us. Up next on NEWSROOM, police scheduled to hold a news conference any moment now on the shooting at a high school in Oregon we've been telling you about. One student has died. What happened inside? We're going to bring it to you live right after this break.

[Cooper:] Hey, welcome back. New developments tonight in the Adrian Peterson story that people have been talking over ever since the Texas grand jury indicted the Minnesota running back late last week on a felony child abuse charge. Now, to remind you, this is what he did to his son with a switch, a tree branch, the child is just four years old. Now the injuries included cuts on his thighs, buttocks as well as his scrotum. Today, three days after benching him in less than 24 hours after a loss at the New England Patriots, the Vikings cleared him to play next weekend. At the same time, Peterson through his lawyer released a statement saying he did what he did out of love and according to the way he himself was raised. And now, it's a style of parenting many say they recognize are actually lived through whether they endorse it now or not.
[Cris Carter, Espn Analyst:] This is the 21st century, my mom was wrong. She did the best she could but she was wrong about some of that stuff she taught me. And I promised my kids I won't teach that mess to them. You can't beat a kid to make them do what they want to do.
[Unidentified Male:] That's correct
[Carter:] The only thing I'm proud about is the team that I played for, they did the right thing.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Carter:] Take them off the field. I don't care where are we in a climate right now? I don't care what it is. Take him off the dang-on field because you know what? As a man, that's the only thing we really respect. We don't respect no women. We don't respect no kids. The only thing Roger and them can do, take them off the field because they respect that.
[Cooper:] Some of the reactions of sports television. There's plenty more playing out. More on the story now from Ed Lavandera.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] The pictures are startling. Skin lacerations inflicted by Adrian Peterson on his four-year-old son. The professional football star called it a whipping using a thin tree branch 10 to 15 times. Texas prosecutor say it is child abuse.
[Phil Grant, Assistant District Attorney:] A grand jury having indicted this case looked at the injuries that were inflicted upon this child and determined that that discipline was not reasonable and did not reflect the community standard of what was reasonable discipline.
[Lavandera:] We've also learned new details of text messages Peterson allegedly sent the boy's mother in Minnesota after the lashing. Peterson wrote, "He felt bad after the fact when I noticed the switch was wrapping around hitting the thigh." Another text was more graphic. "Got him in the nuts once I noticed but I felt so bad. I'm all tearing that butt up when needed. I start putting them in timeout to save the whopping for needed memories." And in a later message, Peterson wrote, "Never do I go overboard but all my kids will know hey daddy has the biggie heart but don't play no games when it comes to acting right." Nick Wright is a sports radio talk show host in Houston where Adrian Peterson lives part of the year. He's familiar with the new and extensive details in the Peterson police report. According to Wright, the incident happened after the little boy had pushed another of Peterson's children off of a motorcycle video game.
[Nick Wright, Sports Radio 610:] He called it a standard whooping. He said the only parts of this that were different from usual were when the switch wrapped around the child's leg and cut the cut the front of his leg and the one that hit the child on the genital was like, he said aside from that, he was asked by police, "Are the marks on the child, you know, worse than usual?" And he said, "On his butt? No." He said, "On his butt, that's, you know, that's what a whooping is."
[Lavandera:] Wright says the little boy also told police he was scared of his father that he was often punished in what the boy described as the whooping room and that Peterson had lots of belts. The boy talked about his father putting leaves in his mouth while he was lashed. Wright also says Peterson spoke with investigators in a 40-minute phone conversation where he justified disciplining his son with this kind of force.
[Wright:] You listen to the audio of Adrian Peterson with the police and he comes across, honestly, as a loving parent who truly believes he was doing what was right for his son, who feels badly about too specific unintentional injuries. Adrian Peterson is very self assured that he not only loves his children but that this type of discipline, at least he sounded self assured at the time, that this type of discipline was necessary and this type of discipline was more mild than the discipline he received that helps turn him into the man that he is today.
[Lavandera:] In a statement, Adrian Peterson wrote that after meeting with a psychologist, "...there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate. I am without a doubt not a child abuser." And after missing only one game, the Minnesota Vikings announced that Adrian Peterson will be back on the football field this coming weekend.
[Cooper:] What else did Peterson say when he spoke to investigators?
[Lavandera:] Well, Nick Wright told us that, you know, he made that phone and as Adrian Peterson said today, he spoke with authorities and investigators over the phone for about 40 minutes or so and Adrian Peterson said in his statement that he did this against the advice of his attorney. But he also did mentioned that this wasn't the only time that he had doled out a severe punishment to this son during that visit back in May that he had there. And it was according to Nick Wright from what he was able to gather from the information at hand is that the authorities didn't know about that second punishment but Adrian Peterson told them about it.
[Cooper:] All right. Ed, thanks very much. Up next, the bottom line impacted this and the Ray Rice story on Peterson-Rice and the NFL.

[Unidentified Male:] Cee Lo, how are you feeling, man?
[Unidentified Female:] Green`s accuser says she woke up naked in his bed.
[Unidentified Male:] This is the uncorroborated testimony of a witness, a civilian, that the prosecutor has already decided is not credible enough to bring a sexual assault case.
[Unidentified Female:] I disagree with that. That`s, wow.
[Pinsky:] Back with my co-host, Samantha Schacher, and our "Behavior Bureau," Cheryl Arutt, Jennifer Keitt, Wendy Walsh, and again, Jamie Kennedy joins us to "Behavior Bureau." Something I`ve been wanting to do for time was bring in interested celebrities into this conversation. And Jamie, thank you for being first up to the plate here. I want to read you all a tweet. First of all, before I read the tweet, I want to just remind people that we`re talking about the singer, Cee Lo Green, coach and judge on NBC`s "The Voice," he`s been accused of drugging his date with ecstasy. She says she woke up naked in her hotel room with Cee Lo in bed with her. Cee Lo`s attorney says this was consensual. Here`s a tweet. And Jamie, I`ll have you react to it. It`s from Donna Marie Camiso, DmCamiso, "Cee Lo never expected to get caught. Many stars think money gives them a free pass at disgustingcriminal behavior." Jamie, have at it. Go ahead.
[Jamie Kennedy, @jamiekennedy:] The internet is the equivalent of reading the writing on the bathroom wall. Really? Thanks whoever that was from. I mean, Twitter should be shut down, number one. Number two is let`s talk about this really simply. I`m going to go from the angle of celebs are targets. Now, let`s consider the source. Who`s this woman? What did they say? I know one thing, the DA doesn`t have enough evidence to prosecute. Number two, molly, everyone knows it. It`s not a drug that takes you down. It`s excitable. It`s sexual.
[Pinsky:] Stimulant.
[Kennedy:] OK. Number three, it`s agreed that he gave it to her and she took it, correct? Correct?
[Pinsky:] We think so.
[Kennedy:] So, she took it. So, my question is, if you guys don`t think people are doing drugs, I mean, go to Coachella. Molly is like candy. I mean, you got to grow up. Seriously, you got to grow up.
[Pinsky:] I have to deal with this all the time.
[Kennedy:] Yes, you do. But people are like and you know who`s doing it more? Regular people. They want to loosen you know, let the things go. Celebrities, what does Cee Lo have to lose if he did this? A lot more than this woman. Would you not agree?
[Pinsky:] Yes. Remember Marv Albert when he had a woman that suddenly started claiming he done something to her? Remember that whole story
[Kennedy:] He bit her butt. That was the thing.
[Pinsky:] That`s what she claimed. And I want to go and brought it out to the panel and say, you know, you guys jumped all over Jodi Arias for distorting and, you know you know, sort of calling herself a victim when perhaps she wasn`t. Let`s start with Wendy. Is she necessarily a victim or can we have somebody like Jodi again claiming victimization?
[Wendy Walsh, Ph.d., Author, "the 30-day Love Detox":] Well, we don`t know exactly what happened to this particular anonymous woman. But, it is possible, Dr. Drew, for someone to perceive that they have been victimized.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Walsh:] And that would be somebody who suffered some trauma in early life.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Walsh:] So, they tend to be hypersensitive any idea that, oh, maybe they were drugged.
[Schacher:] Or maybe there`s an opportunist.
[Pinsky:] It`s not necessarily opportunist, Sam, but Wendy`s right.
[Schacher:] I`m not saying they are. I`m just saying that could be another possibility.
[Pinsky:] Well, but that`s the point that Jamie`s making which is that if somebody is like that, and this guy has a good target, low threshold. Jennifer, you`ve been smiling through this whole thing. I`m dying to know what you`re thinking.
[Jennifer Keitt, Radio Talk Show:] You know what I`m thinking? What happened to good, old-fashioned sex?
[Keitt:] No drugs, no alcohol. This was a Come on. Why can`t we get it up without drugs? Why can`t two consenting adults have a wonderful time without alcohol? Sex in and of itself is a fantastic experience. This was a mess to happen to begin with. Cee Lo with his celebrity, her with her I guess, I don`t know if she was thinking they were just going to have dinner and then go home and what? Do tidally winks? Come on.
[Cheryl Arutt, Psy.d., Clinical & Forensic Psychologist:] What are you saying? If a woman is out and having dinner with the man, she should know that sex is expected afterwards?
[Keitt:] I am saying that she has got to be mature enough to really understand what is really at play here? What was really at stake? What kind of conversation was happening and going on? I`m not blaming her
[Arutt:] I`m sorry. It sounds like here`s the thing. I love Cee Lo. I love Cee Lo`s music. I think he`s fantastic. He`s a celebrity. Here`s the thing. If you know you`re a target, why not, why is the onus not on Cee Lo to be extra, extra careful about things Here`s what`s not in dispute. What does not seem to be in dispute is that Cee Lo gave her this drug without her knowledge, second.
[Pinsky:] No, no. With her knowledge. With her knowledge.
[Arutt:] OK. Here`s the thing, though. I don`t know that. Now, if he gave the drug without her knowledge and they had sexual contact, why is the onus on her to prove she didn`t consent? Because that doesn`t seem to follow California law. And that`s what troubles me.
[Pinsky:] No, you`re right. And that`s what the attorneys were telling us in the last segment. That was a significant issue. But Jamie, go ahead. React.
[Kennedy:] California law. What about the laws of the human body? I mean, it`s known fact that when you take molly or ecstasy, it was made in the 1950s or 1960s to bring people closer together. It`s a touchy drug. So, she took it. She knew that there`s might be some touching.
[Walsh:] Wait a minute. you`re saying that
[Pinsky:] Go, Wendy.
[Walsh:] You`re saying that if you take a drug and maybe even a glass of wine on a date, then you should expect that you`re going to have sex?
[Kennedy:] Wendy, Wendy, I would never say that. The actual drug you take, though, is a touchy-feely drug. Am I correct or incorrect?
[Walsh:] It`s also a known date rape drug as is alcohol
[Kennedy:] Molly`s a date rape drug? That`s the first time I`ve ever heard that.
[Walsh:] We`re looking at ecstasy in combination with alcohol. And what that does, too, there`s here`s the thing, it causes people to be impaired, but because of the upper, they underestimate how impaired they are.
[Pinsky:] Yes, that`s true. That is true. She`s right.
[Keitt:] What I`m saying, though, is that adults need to get back to the basics. Can we please have relationships and relational conversation so that we can have good sex? We can actually be together without criminal activity?
[Pinsky:] I`m going to give this will be a policy of mine. I`m going to give to our guest to the panel. Jamie being our guest today, last word.
[Kennedy:] Two things. I`m sure Cee Lo has a lot of normal sex. It just might have been like a little trial thing. Who knows what happens? But number two is, as the you know, a celeb is a target whatever. I will say I`ve gone out of my way sometimes early in my career. I`ve grown up a lot more, hopefully because of Dr. Drew, but I`ve had some of what they say one-night stands. Is that OK to say?
[Pinsky:] It`s OK.
[Kennedy:] Sometimes, when I`ve had them, afterwards, I can see this girl`s getting a little clingy. Things are weird. So, guess what? She`s staying the night. She`s getting the room service. She`s getting a spa day, because you know what, I have weirdness and I was lucky. Maybe I`ve avoided something. I don`t know if Cee Lo didn`t read her right. I`m just saying every incident is different. But celebrities, sometimes, if they do something like, they`ll get out, it could be cause an issue.
[Pinsky:] Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, panel. If you have a comment or question for the "Behavior Bureau," tweet us @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau. Next up, subway so-called sleepwalker rocks into the tracks in some sort of altered state. And, well, you have to see whether she lives and how she gets rescued. A witness to this event is here with us. Back after this.

[Randi Kaye, Cnn Anchor:] The grieving mother of beheaded American journalist, James Foley, is appalled by how the U.S. government handled the incident. Her family was threatened with prosecution if they tried to pay ransom money. And she had to brief the FBI on her son's case. Last month, ISIS posted a gruesome video showing James Foley kneeling in the desert, being executed by a man dressed in black. Diane Foley sat down for an exclusive interview with Anderson Cooper.
[Diane Foley, Mother Of James Foley:] I really feel that our country let Jim down. And
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Host, A.c. 360:] In what way?
[Foley:] Well, Anderson, I we met wonderful people within our government. Good people who cared, who wanted to help? But the reality of the bureaucracy and really was such that we were not helped. We really weren't. And
[Cooper:] You didn't feel like they were there for you?
[Foley:] Not at all. Yet, we don't blame I don't want to blame people. That's not going to help.
[Cooper:] Did you feel that your family, that Jim was a priority for the government?
[Foley:] No, we really didn't.
[Cooper:] You saw that in what? In the resources that they have you interact with? The people they had you interact? How did you get that sense?
[Foley:] As an American, I was embarrassed and appalled. You know, I think our efforts to get Jim freed were an annoyance. And
[Cooper:] An annoyance to the government?
[Foley:] Yes. Jim would have been saddened. Jim believed, until the end, that his country would come to their aid.
[Cooper:] Did you know that what was happening to him
[Foley:] To be honest, that part was frightening. We tended to know everything before the FBI or anyone else.
[Cooper:] How so?
[Foley:] Because we did everything we could. I went to Europe several times to interview the European freed hostages just so I could find out how Jim was, what's going on, where are they? What are chances of this or that? It was a frightening thing. And the FBI was everyone was kind and supportive but the FBI used us for information.
[Cooper:] Really? They came to you for information about his location?
[Foley:] Absolutely. Yes.
[Cooper:] It's amazing to me that you flew overseas to interview hostages.
[Foley:] Yes. Anderson, as a mother, I was frantic.
[Cooper:] You would do anything?
[Foley:] Anderson, Jim was an incredible human being. He was very courageous and he had a heart. Anyone who knew Jim loved him. Jim had an ability to be present. To listen. Unlike so many in our world. Jim had many gifts, Anderson. I did all I could. I was unable to do enough.
[Cooper:] What did you learn from the hostages who had been with him and had been released?
[Foley:] That he continued to have compassion and goodness to the very end. That he continued to believe that our country would find a way to free them. He passionately believed in America and our goodness and he was valuable as a citizen. And I also found out that prayers of people from all over the world gave him an incredible courage.
[Cooper:] He felt that?
[Foley:] Without a doubt, Anderson.
[Cooper:] I understand that he actually got a letter to you through one of the other hostages.
[Foley:] He did.
[Cooper:] That's an extraordinary thing. It wasn't a physical letter. The hostage memorized the letter.
[Foley:] He did.
[Cooper:] I have an excerpt from the letter. Can I read it? It's really interesting, extraordinarily moving. "Dreams of family and friends take me away. Happiness fills my heart." It's such a sign of resiliency.
[Foley:] Jim knew, Anderson, that he was privileged. Privileged in a very ordinary American sense. He was very loved. He grew up in a community of love, crazy family. He was oldest of five children. Lots of crazy, wonderful memory. He was privileged. He was privileged as many of us Americans are.
[Kaye:] Foley's parents launched a legacy foundation to honor their son. It's raising money for families of American hostages and journalists covering conflict zones. You can visit their website at JamesFoleyfund.org. And you can see more of Anderson's report at 8:00 eastern on CNN. CNN's interview with Foley's mother is getting some strong reaction. National Security Advisor Susan Rice responded to her claims. Watch this.
[Susan Rice, National Security Advisor:] What I and others in the U.S. government worked very hard with Diane Foley and her family to try to be supportive, to try to provide what information we could. And, of course, as you know the president ordered a very daring and very well executed rescue operation on the only occasion we had what we thought was fresh and we hoped actionable intelligence about the whereabouts of Jim Foley and the other hostages. Unfortunately, they were no longer there.
[Kaye:] James Foley was 40 years old when he was brutally executed last month. His mother once wrote that Foley gave his life trying to expose the world to the suffering of the Syrian people. Coming up next, 10 Arab nations have pledged support to the U.S. in the fight against ISIS. But what is each country willing to do and how will it help? We'll explain. Plus, an NBA team's general manager under fire for comments about a player in a private meeting, but it was recorded. And guess what? That recording was leaked. Yes, it was. We'll play it for you and we'll talk about the backlash as well.

[Julia Louis-dreyfus, Actress:] I'd like to thank our my family. Brad Hall and Henry Hall and Charlie Hall, my children are here this evening.
[Unidentified Male:] We love them so much.
[Unidentified Female:] And I love them so much.
[Kate Boulduan, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. That is Julia Louis-Dreyfus taking home the best comedy actress Emmy for her hilarious turn as the vice president in HBO "Veep" even giving her acceptance speech in character. We sat down with her to talk about the show and about her surprising new role alongside the late James Gandolfini. It's being hailed as a breakthrough performance in the new film "Enough Said".
[Louis-dreyfus:] Does your daughter live with you?
[James Gandolfini, Actor:] Half the time, it aggravates you sometimes but the thing is she and her mother are very, very neat. As a matter of fact their favorite store is that, I don't know, what is it, it's a store with all the empty boxes and storage.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Oh, the container store?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, container store, the store that sells crap so you can put your crap in so you can go out and buy some more crap.
[Louis-dreyfus:] I love that store. I love crap.
[Bolduan:] All right. And joining us now, Julia Louis-Dreyfus is here to talk about it all.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Welcome, welcome to
[New Day. Louis-dreyfus:] Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on this
[New Day. Bolduan:] Thank you so much. So we had the chance to see "Enough Said".
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] It's very funny which you're known for. But also bittersweet, the characters are very complex as you kind of watched them throughout the throughout the film.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Is that what interested you?
[Louis-dreyfus:] There's a there's a lot of drama in this film as well as being comedic and and it's sort of rough and raw and it explores this character that I play Eva in a pretty deep way. She's I play a masseuse who is, whose only daughter is about to go off to college and so she has a lot of anxiety about this impending departure of her daughter. So much anxiety that she doesn't even realize it sort of overcomes her and as a result she does something absolutely terrible in this film and it's sort of she's a little bit out of control.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] So what was the dynamic with access with this character for you in terms of what comes out of you that is similar from your life experience versus just taking a character in a place that has no direction that's familiar?
[Louis-dreyfus:] Well, I have two children and my oldest son went off to college a couple years ago and that was horrible. I mean it was great for him and I'm thrilled and that's actually what's supposed to happen but the
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] You handled it differently is what you're saying.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes, I mean, I I was pretty upset. I was very heartbroken and and I had a lot of anxiety leading up to it so I definitely understood. I didn't do anything as bad as Eva does in this film but the the anxiety about his leaving and as a parent I really have to say even though you know intellectually that you're raising children to one day leave you, you don't really know that emotionally and then when it happens, it's like getting hit by a Mack truck, at least it was for me, so I'm looking forward to the next one leaving.
[Bolduan:] It's going to be a great moment. But this was a very different role for you.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] But it was also a very different role for James Gandolfini.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] I think people will be surprised when they see the character and his softness that you really do see come out. What was it like working together?
[Louis-dreyfus:] Well exactly. I mean he really does play a thoughtful, kind endearing, very self-effacing man. This is what he plays in the movie and guess what that's really what he was like. So I think people will be amazed actually to see this performance. He's just as dear as dear can be. He really is.
[Pereira:] You miss him?
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] I mean it was clearly significant to be able to work together even at the time but then after his passing that time together and the film itself takes on a whole different significance.
[Louis-dreyfus:] It really does. It's it's just something I treasure, always will for sure, always will.
[Cuomo:] So here on NEW DAY, CNN, you know we can't let you go without being newsy. You played vice president. Need your take on Syria. No what I want to know is what
[Louis-dreyfus:] What?
[Cuomo:] when you're deciding, when you're playing politics, right? How much do you look at politics in the world around you and say oh I think this would be an interesting part, you know, to do with my character or do it differently. You know how do you reflect or try to be different from what you see around?
[Louis-dreyfus:] Oh well yes I do definitely watch news and the political world with a different eye. There's no doubt about that.
[Bolduan:] But "Veep" you don't even know if she's left or right.
[Cuomo:] That's right.
[Pereira:] I appreciate that about the show.
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes you don't although you're going to get more of a sense of that this season. Having said that, though she's a straddler and I think she's somebody who
[Cuomo:] Good, it's so unfamiliar in today's politics.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Exactly.
[Bolduan:] What?
[Louis-dreyfus:] So I really could see a situation where she might switch parties and then switch back again just to sort of stay alive politically.
[Cuomo:] You're living the dream, you're on the big screen, life is good, kid went to college, and haven't had to cover him in the news for anything. So it's all stuff.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] We call you first before we go.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Thank you, thank you very much. Yes I got to remember that, that's right, it's all good. It's all good.
[Pereira:] Thanks for having you here with us.
[Louis-dreyfus:] Thank you for having me.
[Bolduan:] Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Welcome to
[New Day. Louis-dreyfus:] Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Thank you so much. Julia's film "Enough Said" is in theaters right now. We'll be right back.
[Cuomo:] It was good to have her on NEW DAY. Coming up, check out this crazy canine. They love the leaves don't they but he's so good, he's part of the award of the day. But he's not the only one. Stay with us.

[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The nuclear deal that we've put together is not based on the idea that somehow the regime changes. It is a good deal, even if Iran doesn't change at all.
[Cuomo:] Even if. The president of the United States there arguing in the alternative: even if you don't like this deal the way it is, even if that's true, you're still going to like it better than any alternative. That's his interview with "The New York Times." The president is starting to push to get skeptics on board with the Iran deal. But the biggest skeptics of all, of course, Israel. And they seem thoroughly unmoved, as personified by their prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who has said Netanyahu, who has said here and there that this deal makes their situation worse. Joining us this morning to discuss, Peter Beinart, CNN political commentator and contributing editor for Atlantic Media; and Hillary Mann-Leverett, the co-author of "Going to Tehran: Why America Must Accept the Islamic Republic of Tehran [SIC]." And I set the table with this, Peter and Hillary. Here is Senator Feinstein with her rebuttal to Netanyahu.
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein , California:] Well, I think he's said what he's had to say; and to be candid with you, this can backfire on him. And I wish that he would contain himself, because he has put out no real alternative. In his speech to the Congress, no real alternative. Since then, no real alternative.
[Cuomo:] Well, the president can't say it, Hillary. But does it help the president's cause for the senator, the senior senator, to get up there and say, "He should just contain himself and be quiet. We heard what he has to say. He's got no better deal. This is as good as it gets"?
[Hillary Mann-leverett, Co-author, "going To Tehran":] It's critically important for her to make that kind of argument. We have seen for 20 years, too few people challenge Prime Minister Netanyahu. He goaded us into a false war in Iraq. They sold us a false bill of good, Prime Minister Netanyahu and his supporters here in Washington, a false bill of goods that Iraq had nuclear weapons, and we had to invade Iraq and overthrow that government. Similarly, he's been selling us a false set of goods about Iran for 20 years. What he's desperately afraid of is there may be a neutral monitoring mechanism set up where we don't need to turn to or we're not vulnerable to his set of false facts. That's what he's afraid of. He's afraid we may actually develop a relationship with the Islamic Republic of Iran where we hear from them directly: from their foreign minister, from the head of their atomic energy program directly. We have our own eyes and ears on the ground.
[Cuomo:] All right.
[Mann-leverett:] And we can make our own decisions. He's desperate to prevent that.
[Cuomo:] Peter, false facts, doesn't the main fact and the only fact that matters to Israel is that Iran keeps saying it wants to destroy them and that this is not an "if" but a "when" deal, so eventually they may get a nuke? And they may just get away with it anyway, because they're sneaky? And shouldn't Israel be of the most high level of concern?
[Peter Beinart, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, but the interesting thing is if you actually look at the debate inside Israel since Thursday's deal, it's not that everyone is as negative as Benjamin Netanyahu. In fact, there have been pretty prominent Israeli security figures, like Emud Siablin, for instance, who was the chief foreign affairs kind of adviser to the to Hertzog, the opponent, who basically said this deal actually isn't so bad for Israel. And I think Dianne Feinstein's most critical point is what is the alternative? Even if you believe that this deal is not perfect from Israel and America's point of view, Netanyahu's logic is that America can increase the pressure and get a better deal. What that misunderstands is that, even if America increases sanctions, if the U.S. walks away from this deal, the rest of the world is likely to start to unravel their sanctions. Once China, for instance, starts importing a lot more Iranian oil, something they've been restrained in doing, that will counteract the effect of U.S. sanctions. And pressure won't go up on Iran; it will go down, which will mean our chances of getting a better deal will be virtually impossible.
[Cuomo:] All right. On the other side, Netanyahu says, "I just got reelected. I have this huge mandate. What do you mean people don't accept my view? This what they want." And we don't know whether or not we've squeezed Iran enough, Hillary. And that's why I'm directing this question to you, because you love it. Because we only did, two, three years of really harsh sanctions. Let's try more of that and get all the allies to do that. And then we'll see what Iran really wants to put on the table. Fair point?
[Mann-leverett:] Well, you know, he peddled the same case about Iraq, where we also needed to impose crippling sanctions on Iraq, which killed half a million Iraqis, half of them children. Even then it didn't work to change Saddam Hussein's calculation on his nuclear program. So that's a you know, that's a really dangerous trajectory for us to go on. But I think this narrative about Israel is important. Because we're going to hear it over and over and over again. And even though it's very hard for Americans to take in, Iran has not said, has not threatened to attack Israel or to wipe Israel off the map. That has been distorted extremely out of context. But what Iran has a problem with, with Israel, and we're going to see this now in the spotlight with Netanyahu and his policies in his new government, is they see the Israeli government as what they see it as, an apartheid government that cannot last. That it is on a trajectory eventually to be one state with one person and one vote. Now many people here don't like that, but it's very different from a threat to attack Israel.
[Cuomo:] But Hillary...
[Mann-leverett:] And what we're going to see, while Benjamin Netanyahu makes his argument, he is going to be making Iran's arguments for them. That's what we're going to see more and more in the spotlight.
[Cuomo:] But the president is never going to convince Congress that Iran is not a threat to Israel.
[Mann-leverett:] Exactly.
[Cuomo:] And when Netanyahu came here, it mattered to Democrats and Republicans. Last word, Peter Beinart, you guys seem to think that this is pretty easy for the president to get this deal done, as you two are articulating it. What do you think happens with Congress? Because they don't seem as accepting as you two do.
[Beinart:] No, I don't think it's I don't think it's easy at all. And I think Iran's very, very aggressive, bellicose rhetoric against Israel makes it a lot harder. But I think at the end of the day, one of the ways in which Netanyahu, who has shot himself in the foot, is he has made this so partisan that, remember, the Republicans can't defeat this deal without a significant amount of Democratic support. And I think by making this such a partisan issue, Benjamin Netanyahu has actually made it easier for Barack Obama to keep the Democrats he needs on board.
[Cuomo:] Peter Beinart, Hillary Mann-Leverett, thank you very much. Appreciate having you on the show, as always Alisyn.
[Mann-leverett:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] OK, Chris, Rand Paul promising to be a different kind of Republican leader. He's expected to jump into the race soon. Will he shake up the GOP? Details ahead on "Inside Politics."

[Cuomo:] Clinton news. The State Department says it will not review previous undisclosed donations to the Clinton Foundation despite an earlier agreement that the charity would make its backers public. How much could this hurt Hillary on the campaign trail, or help? Let's bring in the host of CNN's "SMERCONISH" and CNN political commentator, Michael Smerconish. It's good to have you with us, my friend. Even the way that was written makes everything about this seem like it was a negative. And yet, where is the proof? I know the perception is so tantalizing to us and certainly to the right. You read the book. Do you believe the case can be made that there were bribes involved?
[Michael Smerconish, Cnn Host, "smerconish":] I don't think that the book is a hit job. I think the book is pretty well researched. And I think that it raises legitimate questions. But to your point, Chris, there are no smoking guns in this book of any quid pro quo. So, unless there's more information, more evidence forthcoming of a deal having been part and parcel of these financial transactions, the donations to the Clinton Foundation, the engagement of former President Clinton to speak, unless there's more that is coming forward, then I don't think it will move the needle. I think the Clinton partisans, those who respect, admire and want to vote for Hillary Clinton, like David Brock, will continue to say it's a put-up job. And those like Mitt Romney will continue to refer to it as something that looks like bribery.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Smerconish:] There's something in it for everybody. One last thought. You know, it requires an attention span to get involved in this book and try to sort it out. The Tom Brady issue, we all get it. Did they underinflate the balls or not? The Clinton issue you're going to have to pay attention.
[Cuomo:] Here's the thing, you have to pay attention. But both things are not equal propositions. It's not equal that they're tough questions and they're going to have to find some there-there. Or there is no proof and you can't draw the connections, or you may have the proof that the opposite is true, that there was no connection. So, they're not equal propositions. It's what point you make the case or it goes away?
[Smerconish:] Hey, at a minimum I think that the book raises questions about pretty amazing coincidences of foreign investors, men, trying to put together a variety of business transactions who are prohibited from making donations to American domestic political candidates suddenly making contributions to the Clinton Foundation and suddenly engaging former President Clinton to speak at fee levels that he had not previously seen. It's pretty interesting.
[Pereira:] But, you know, it's interesting, you talk about this both of you but perception matters. I'm curious. Even if there's no there-there, is there damage that is done? Is this going to cast Hillary as untrustworthy? Is the perception out there to voters that she isn't?
[Cuomo:] The polls have gone down.
[Smerconish:] Well, to those who are predisposed not to like her, you know, they're getting out of this story exactly what they want to get out of this story.
[Pereira:] But how about those undecided?
[Smerconish:] The early polling that's a great question. The early polling data suggests thus far it hasn't harmed her. And even though the book only came out on Tuesday, discussion of the book has been ongoing for about ten days. And the early signs are that at this stage it has not harmed her. It's not going to help her obviously but that it hasn't harmed her.
[Camerota:] What about the undecideds?
[Smerconish:] We don't know. Here's the question
[Cuomo:] They're undecided. That's the problem with them.
[Smerconish:] Here's the question, this is what I would ask about the undecideds relative to Secretary Clinton. How many are there really? You know, we are about to spend millions, potentially in excess of $1 billion on this election. I happen to believe that we could run this race tomorrow, Saturday morning. And if her name is on the ballot, we could probably get the same result that we will get in November of 2016.
[Pereira:] Without spending all that money.
[Camerota:] That's incredible, Michael. I mean, that's radical, right? Because they say this is going to be the most expensive one ever. But also to his point if she's already the nominee, why do we need to spend a billion dollars?
[Pereira:] I hear you.
[Camerota:] So, Michael, is anybody listening to your questions?
[Smerconish:] There's a lot to be learned from what the Brits just did.
[Camerota:] All right.
[Pereira:] Got a bit of a delay there.
[Camerota:] We do have a delay. I want to move onto another question. You said Chris Christie's toast.
[Pereira:] Oh, did we lose him
[Smerconish:] If you look at the internals of that "New York Times"CBS survey released this week, 42 percent of a certain category of voters say they will not consider voting for Chris Christie. Do you know what that category is? Republican voters, 42 percent of the GOP are saying, we won't even take seriously his candidacy. I don't know how he overcomes that, particularly given the problems that he's having in New Jersey from a fiscal standpoint and, of course, the bridge situation.
[Cuomo:] Who will they vote for? You have more and more people getting in this race.
[Pereira:] It's crowded.
[Cuomo:] You could wind up with like eight at some point. Do you really look at any of them and say, oh, this guy could actually be president. I see him winning over a majority of the country.
[Pereira:] If that's the case, if they don't believe they can, why are they doing it again? Seems like a lesson in futility.
[Smerconish:] Well, there's no such thing as a loser. If you get into this scrum and you put on a respectable face, at the end of the rainbow even if you don't win the nomination, what's waiting for you? A gig at FOX, a talk radio program, a book deal and speaking fees. So, you know, it's all good if you get out there and can get on that stage.
[Pereira:] I love that we discuss it's almost like we look at Uncle Smerconish and say fix this for us. I love these conversations with you.
[Cuomo:] And you disappoint us every time.
[Pereira:] Oh, he does not.
[Cuomo:] By dangling these things that could be solutions and making us think they may happen.
[Camerota:] And yanking them away.
[Cuomo:] All right. So, we'll be watching as always. Smerconish Saturdays at 9:00 a.m. Eastern on CNN. And, of course, you can hear him weekdays on Sirius XM, also at 9:00 a.m. Eastern. Thank you, Mr. Smerconish.
[Pereira:] Teeing up Tom Brady, he talked about it right there. Tom Brady speaks. In a matter of speaking, what the Patriots quarterback did or didn't say about that report implicating him in Deflategate. Could the way he's handling this report, or not handling this report, backfire?

[Cuomo:] Caitlyn Jenner will be awarded the Arthur Ashe Courage Award at the ESPYs on ESPN in July, but there are some critics who claim there are other athletes more deserving, including, for example, Iraq war veteran, Noah Galloway. You may know him from "Dancing with the Stars," he made the cover of "Men's Health" magazine. How about the basketball player Lauren Hill recently died of cancer? So is Jenner the right pick or did ESPY choose her for promotional purposes? Let's bring in some supple minds to discuss. CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan and Mike Pesca, an NPR contributor, host of the "Slate" daily podcast, 'The Gist." Good to have you both here.
[Mike Pesca, Npr Contributor:] Thanks.
[Christine Brennan, Cnn Sports Analyst:] Good to be here.
[Cuomo:] Christine, let's start with why. Why is it the right choice?
[Brennan:] I thought it was the right choice when I first heard about it, partially because I don't spend a lot of time thinking about the ESPYs, I don't watch the ESPYs
[Cuomo:] They're not the Oscars.
[Brennan:] Right. Well, it's a made for TV event, which was fine, and in fact, the Arthur Ashe Courage Award has become a very big deal in large part because of the wonderful people who have won it, including Billy Jean King, Nelson Mandela, all kinds of people and now, of course, Caitlyn Jenner. Now that the issue has been brought up on social media and you think about Lauren Hill, my goodness, what an amazing story. And I certainly hope there is a place for her in that broadcast.
[Cuomo:] So that takes us to the why not? Pesca?
[Pesca:] Well, OK, I could articulate the point
[Cuomo:] Yes. I am not saying you own it.
[Pesca:] Oh, I definitely don't own it.
[Cuomo:] Just for the sake of argument.
[Pesca:] The biggest argument is this thing about, oh, it's for ratings, that's why the ESPYs exist, you know, this isn't a charity, this isn't funded by a foundation. That's fine, they want to put on an award show, that's fine. I think it's And I'll say I think it's dumb to get upset about someone who didn't win the award, like it's dumb to get upset about someone who didn't win the Nobel Prize, as if they're less of a humanitarian. It's not a slight to the pope when someone else wins. But I guess the articulation is that in terms of sports relevance, Caitlyn Jenner isn't that relevant anymore and, you know, the sad if you if you contrast it with Lauren Hill, she died, Caitlyn Jenner is alive. So by that metric, you can never give it to a living person or a person who is not currently dying.
[Cuomo:] Over someone who has died.
[Pesca:] Yeah. Once you die, you win, you know?
[Cuomo:] Do you think there is something else behind the criticism, that this is an excuse to criticize Caitlyn Jenner?
[Brennan:] Well, I'm sure there is among in some camps, Chris. Certainly not with us. I think that
[Cuomo:] I know. You guys are almost completely useless on the negative side of this story. I'm going to have to own it now and take all the heat.
[Brennan:] Right. Well, you know, I think that the fact that this was announced so quickly after Caitlyn Jenner's news broke is interesting. I had, as I said, both of us, we are not spending time dwelling on the ESPY Awards and who is winning them and who is not. But once you start to think about this and realize that Lauren Hill, why hadn't she been picked? She died in April. 19 years old, not even reaching her 20th birthday. She is at the intersection of sports and courage the way no one else has been this year, so I am kind of surprised she was not picked already for this. I don't know when ESPN makes those decisions, you know, I have nothing to do with that.
[Cuomo:] Although, if you're going to look more deeply, Mike, at why Arthur Ashe, why did they why this became this eponymous award for him, what he was known for, it was social conscious related. He transcended sports in a way that went to the dialogue of what we were comfortable talking about and what we were not, significantly there with AIDS. Does Jenner fit that category better than maybe anybody else?
[Pesca:] Well, I don't know ever, but And I do think it sort of dishonors the memory of Lauren Hill. I mean, she didn't ask for this and it's not a me or her type of situation. And we've got the remember that Bruce Jenner was the most famous athlete after Muhammad Ali the 1970s. I mean, the most famous football player of the '70s was O.J. Simpson and the most famous baseball player was Pete Rose. And Bruce Jenner, especially by 1976, AP Athlete of the Year, he was transcendent. Of all of the criticisms, how is this courage? How is this not courage? Of course, it's courage. So the ESPYs are taking a stand and making a statement, and when you take a stand to make a statement, you get some flack. I am not sure they're upset by that. When you take a stand, you are saying something, and what they are saying is this is courage and it deserves to be honored.
[Brennan:] You what's really good about this is that Lauren Hill, people who hadn't heard about her or had forgotten, are now looking her up again online. And hopefully there will be more donations to the cause for cancer research that are in her name. Caitlyn Jenner, this is a huge issue, and I think the bottom line is it's, you know, it's the ESPYs and no one is going to get too exercised about that. There are people who and Noah Galloway as well people who deserve attention, they are inspirational in our country, they bring us to a national conversation that is important to have. Here we are having it again and Caitlyn Jenner is certainly a deserving winner of this award.
[Cuomo:] I just don't remember the "rather than" argument coming up before about this award that, you know, why did Christine get it and not Pesca? Although that would be an easy one.
[Pesca:] You know, when Michael Sam was awarded, the questions there was what has he accomplished? What has he accomplished in the NFL?
[Cuomo:] He's not a good enough athlete.
[Pesca:] Yeah. And so Caitlyn Jenner takes away some of that. The playing days are over, the accomplishment you can't
[Cuomo:] Can't mess with Bruce.
[Pesca:] The Decathlon, what a great decathlete. So once you take that off the stage, I think it's laudable. As far as the ESPYs, yes, they're there for ratings, but I think it's laudable that ESPN definitely wants to say that us and by extension, American sport, I mean, they are, to some extent, American sport, American sport supports the gay community, supports the trans community. It's a little bit risky. It's not the most risk-averse move they could have done.
[Cuomo:] There is a lot of animosity towards LGBT in a traditional sense, let alone to gender reassignment. It's just been quite because there's been so much momentum behind Bruce transitioning into Caitlyn, so it's been quiet. But you are going to start hearing it more and more. This is not something that people are just ready to throw their arms around. Fair point.
[Brennan:] Mike Huckabee made a joke about it. It's amazing to me that people have this much time to devote to things that they either care about or don't, but you know, to go on social media, this is our world so we might as well get used to it. This is only going to get worse, not better. But you're absolutely right, Chris, the notion that this is somehow a topic. Bruce Jenner, now Caitlyn Jenner, made this decision. I think part of it is because of the reality TV aspect of hisher life and the Kardashians. That's where people go with this. I've never watched the Kardashians, I don't know what channel it's on, so from
[Cuomo:] Pesca can't say that.
[Pesca:] What do you watch? You don't watch the ESPYs, you don't watch the Kardashians
[Brennan:] I'm watching Chris on
[Cnn. Cuomo:] Oh! Christine Brennan, my favorite person. Mike Pesca, thank you.
[Brennan:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Christine Brennan, this is It's going to be interesting to see what happens next in terms of this dialogue now that she is out there. Alisyn?
[Camerota:] OK, Chris. "The Good Stuff," that's next.

[Amanpour:] Welcome back. President Obama's speech to the nation last night highlighted his dilemma, which has been a confusing U.S. policy on Syria for the last 2.5 years, first resisting calls for military action to advocating the necessary strike to postponing now intervention. My next guest is former U.S. ambassador to Syria Ryan Crocker, and he says the U.S. has failed to grasp the historical fact. Make no mistake: the Assads, first with Hafez and now his son, Bashar, have been preparing for this war since the Hama massacre in 1982, says Crocker, when the army there killed some 20,000 civilians to stop an uprising by Syria's Muslim Brotherhood. The regime has known, has been preparing, says Crocker, for years, that a day of reckoning would come. I spoke to him earlier from Texas. Ambassador Crocker, thank you so much for joining me and welcome to the program. I want to start by asking you first, what did you make of President Obama's case in this Syrian crisis last night, in his address to the nation, because the critics have been vociferous and brutal. For instance, one critic has said that it was, quote, "very probably the least consequential vitally important speech ever." Your take on that, Ambassador.
[Ryan Crocker, Former Amb. To Syria:] I think we've got to keep a perspective on this. I think the president was right in saying we need to pursue this diplomatically. It is important overall that the Syrians have said, yes, we have chemical weapons and we're prepared to put them under international control. That is a step forward.
[Amanpour:] So given that they've done that and, again, I'm going to ask you, because of your deep knowledge of the players, whether you trust their words given that they have done that, how difficult is it going to be to execute this diplomacy to actually control and do all the things that they're saying should be done with the chemical weapons? And do you think Russia and Syria can be trusted to go to the very end with their promises?
[Crocker:] You know, we will have to see. A lot of this depends on Russia and a lot of it depends on Iran. And Iran has suffered from chemical weapons. They are no fans of them. So pressure from Tehran, pressure from Moscow will be critical in all of this. But none of us should think it will be decisive to the outcome of the war.
[Amanpour:] Interestingly, Iran was one of the first countries to support the Russian-Syrian plan to put these weapons under international control. But let me ask you this, another critic has said, in terms of the general policy, Jeffrey Goldberg, who is, as you know, formerly of "The Atlantic" and now a "Bloomberg View" columnist, he has said the following, "After two years of saying that Assad should go, the message now is that Assad can stay and that we just want to remove one of the weapons systems."
[Crocker:] I think we made a mistake right at the beginning in somehow thinking that Syria was like Egypt, like Tunisia, like Libya. You and I know it's not. The Syrian regime has been ready for this fight since Hama in 1982; very few Americans remember what happened then. You and I do, when up to 10,000 innocent Sunni civilians were murdered by Assad, the elder, in his effort to get rid of the Syrian Muslim Brothers. It radicalized the Sunni population and the regime knew that a day of accounting may come. And they've been ready for it for three decades. You know, Assad isn't going anywhere outside of Syria anytime soon, if ever. And maybe we're beginning to understand that.
[Amanpour:] Well, that is a really gloomy assessment, Ambassador. And obviously you know what you speak of. You were there as ambassador during the time that Hafez al-Assad died and Bashar al-Assad assumed the presidency. Explain what you mean by preparing for this moment.
[Crocker:] After Hama, Hafez al-Assad knew that there could be a Sunni day of retribution. And he and his son and his son is a just like the old man, maybe not quite as flexible and more doctrinaire, just as ruthless spent, again, three-plus decades building an intelligence, security and military apparatus that could withstand a Sunni revolt. They knew what they had done in Hama and that the day of backlash might come. They were ready for it, unlike Egypt, unlike Libya, unlike Tunisia. We didn't understand the difference.
[Amanpour:] Well, now that you're making that crystal clear and clearly the situation has made that crystal clear because after 2.5 years, Bashar al-Assad is still there what do you predict are the eventualities? Is he going to win? Is he going to stay in power? What are the alternatives? Is there a possibility of a political solution, as President Obama has said, to change the political dynamic?
[Crocker:] I think there are two alternatives. Either Assad regains control, foot by bloody foot, or it settles into some kind of stalemate. If it's the latter, then there might be a possibility for a diplomatic solution or stabilization. Now is not that time. I'm from the West of the United States, Christiane. We have giant forest fires; the one burning now in Yosemite. You can't extinguish them. You can only contain them. That's Syria. We can't extinguish that fight. Neither side is ready. All we can do is try and contain it and keep it from spreading further into Lebanon, into Iraq, into Jordan, into Turkey. That's the best we can do right now and wait for circumstances to change.
[Amanpour:] Do you think this diplomatic initiative is going to work? And will President Obama, by what he's done and the way he's delivered his speech in his address to the nation, will he then be able to resort to a military strike if necessary down the line if this diplomacy simply is a stalling tactic and not true? Christiane, first, I think we already have a success. Whatever happens next, we have the Russians and Iranians on record as saying that Syria should put its chemical weapons under international control. We have Syria acknowledging it has such weapons and it is prepared to do so. So whatever happens or doesn't happen, I think on the international level, this has been a significant positive step towards reinforcing the international position that chemical weapons should never be used. Ambassador Ryan Crocker, thank you very much indeed for joining us with your unique insight.
[Crocker:] Thank you, Christiane.
[Amanpour:] But of course did the world implicitly enable this use of chemical weapons by not responding to the horrors of the 1980s, when Saddam Hussein gassed Iranians and unleashed poisonous chemicals on his own Kurdish population in the village of Halabja, killing thousands of them? Our CNN cameraman, Rich Brooks, was an eyewitness, and he offers his riveting first-hand account of a chemical weapons attack when we return. But before we take a break, just back in March this year on the 25th anniversary of the Halabja massacre, on this program we remembered the victims and the ominous implications for Syria. Take a look. Today, Halabja's dead are remembered in monuments and memorials. But they cry out for more than tears. They want justice. And meanwhile on Iraq's western border, another brutal regime, that of Bashar al-Assad of Syria, has stockpiled chemical weapons. Will he use them? That was in March. And now we know the answer. We'll be right back.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Bottom of the hour. You are watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Bruno Mars is on a roll. Superstar performance last night the Super Bowl halftime show, he is hot on iTunes, especially this morning. Three songs in the iTunes top 100 and picked up a Grammy just last month. CNN's Christine Romans has more on the newest superstar to rock the music biz.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] The real Super Bowl winner, Bruno Mars. He took the biggest stage in music in front of more than 100 million viewers and saved an otherwise dull game. So who is this Super Bowl sensation? Born Peter Hernandez to a musical family in Hawaii, he started as the world's youngest Elvis impersonator. He struggled as a performer and was dropped from Motown Records then changed his business plan and began writing and producing songs for other artists. His big break came in 2010 doing vocals for two songs he helped write, "Nothing On You" and "Billionaire." His debut album was a success. And landed "Mars" two number two hits. Album number two reached number one and the accompanying tour brought in $46 million so far. All together "Mars" has sold 115 million singles worldwide. Landed five number one singles faster than any male singer since Elvis. The 28-year-old was Billboard's artist of the year last year. He landed his second Grammy, this one for best pop vocal album of the year on Orthodox Juke Box. Outside the studio, he has invested in Chromatik, a startup that makes digital sheet music and electronic cigarette maker, Enjoy, which he uses to kick the habit. The business of being Bruno Mars is indeed super. Christine Romans, CNN, New York.
[Baldwin:] Can't help but be bop along here. Let's talk Bruno Mars and other hits and misses of Super Bowl XLVIII. Joining me now are Peter Shankman, a branding consultant, Rachel Nichols, host of CNN's "UNGUARDED" and Robert Tuchman, a sports marketer. Guys, welcome to all of you. Peter Shankman, Bruno Mars has come a long way from the Elvis impersonating of his youth, yes?
[Peter Shankman, Branding Consultant:] I tweeted out the group looked like the group from the enchantment of back to the future. They did a phenomenal job. The Super Bowl really needed this. They have not had a good halftime show in a long time. Of course, this was the 10-year anniversary of Nickel Gate. So they really needed something to come up and really shocked at the next level. You're right. It saved the Super Bowl.
[Baldwin:] I have to say though it was awesome seeing the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm a huge fan. I enjoyed Anthony Keatis. I know there have been mixed reviews. Rachel Nichols, are with me on that?
[Rachel Nichols, Host, Cnn's "unguarded":] Come on, Beyonce last year didn't do it for you. 14:35:14 Prince singing Purple Rain in the rain a few years, there were some decent Super Bowl halftime show in the last decade, but this was a good one.
[Baldwin:] OK, Rachel, let me start let me continue with you because we have to talk about this fur monstrosity that was the Joe Namath coat thing. Two different Twitter handles, I checked today. Is that what got in the way of the coin toss? What was up with that?
[Nichols:] I think look, Joe is 70 years old. So he went to flip the coin before either team called heads or tails, which is a problem because if it hits the ground and it shows whether it's heads or tails, makes it easier to know whether you should pick heads or tails. Jump in and get to the coin before it hit the ground and do it all over again. It gives us more time to endure Joe Namath's coat.
[Unidentified Male:] It's so great.
[Nichols:] You have to remember. This is the kind of coat that hopefully is not the same coat that he was wearing in the late 60s. Maybe it was. It was
[Baldwin:] It was a nod.
[Nichols:] He was wearing in the late 60s when he was famous player. There were a lot of people watching who let's just say weren't around at that time. For them this was a new experience to see Broadway Joe. For the older set it was a nice trip down memory lane.
[Baldwin:] OK, Robert, let's talk about the hit ads. We were talking about this Friday. Let's watch two commercials that scored starting with, I love this one, the Radioshack poking fun at itself. Watch.
[Unidentified Male:] Love it. What? The 80s called. They want their store back.
[Baldwin:] You know, Mary Lou Retton, Chuckie, Elf. I feel like nostalgia really won people over.
[Robert Tuchman, Sports Marketer, Goviva:] I loved it. That was my favorite commercial of the entire Super Bowl. I mean, any time you get Hulk Hogan, I thought I saw kid in play back there. That was the theme of the Super Bowl, but by far also my favorite commercial.
[Baldwin:] But then also you had and this is another warm and fuzzy category. Budweiser with the puppy love ad and I thought it was interesting just watching this year. First of all, I really wasn't wowed by a lot of the ads. Let me just throw that out there, but Peter, I saw less, you know, suggestive, sexy ads and more nostalgic and sweeter ads.
[Shankman:] Yes, Go Daddy, really took the cake with that where they actually created an ad that focussed on making money as opposed to a sexy one. One of the things no one notice is Danica Patrick was actually wearing a muscle suit in the ad about the spray tan. Another interesting thing is the Twitter and Vine and realtime marketing really took the cake here with those responding to the Vine about Tide gets it out. It turns out they were tweeting with mittens.
[Baldwin:] They got all for free. They were talking on national TV. The final question though, to you, Robert, because listen, it wasn't much of a game. Rachel is there. She knows. Let's say post Red Hot Chili Peppers and Bruno Mars, what if you were one of companies who had their ad in the fourth quarter. Are they out of luck all that money?
[Tuchman:] Absolutely. What I have been told is it's tough. It's $4.5 million.
[Baldwin:] For 30 seconds.
[Tuchman:] If the game is not within two touchdowns, people turn it off. This one was far beyond two touchdowns. People turn it off and this one was far beyond two touchdowns and I really do feel bad. A lot of those advertisers spent a lot of money and a lot of people turned it off and started talking to people next to them and unfortunately, you know, that's what comes with a blowout.
[Nichols:] But this is the gamble that you take, right, because if it's a close game like it was last year or the past two previous years, the fourth quarter is where you want to be. Everybody is glued to their TVs.
[Baldwin:] Robert Tuchman, Peter Shankman, Rachel Nichols, to the three of you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Coming up, the Olympic games begin Friday and Sochi is not ready. Have you heard? Hotels are not finished. Credit cards, can't use them. We'll take you there and explain. You're watching CNN.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] "OUTFRONT" next, you'll want to brace yourself for this one. Ariel Castro explains why he is not to blame for kidnapping and raping three women. One of the women responds. His excuses, sickening. Then, NSA leaker Edward Snowden has left the airport in Moscow. Where has gone could be a major problem for the United States of America. And Anthony Weiner explains a big mystery, solved tonight. Where did the name Carlos Danger come from? Let's go "OUTFRONT." Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, Ariel Castro and Michelle Knight speak. Life behind bars plus 1,000 years with no chance of parole, that is what Castro, the Cleveland kidnapper, was sentenced to today. He abducted Michelle Knight, Amanda Berry and Gina Dejesus and held them captive for more than a decade, subjecting them to constant physical and emotional torture. Knight was the only one today who chose to confront her abductor face- to-face, and she didn't hold back.
[Michelle Knight, Kidnapping Survivor:] Ariel Castro, I remember all the times that you came home talking about what everybody else did wrong and act like you wasn't doing the same thing. You said, at least I didn't kill you. You took 11 years of my life away, and I have got it back. I spent 11 years in hell. Now your hell is just beginning. I will overcome all that you put me through, but you'll be in hell through eternity. I cried every night. I was so alone. The days never got shorter, days turned into night, night turned into days, years turned into eternity. Eternity will be so much easier. You don't deserve that. You deserve spending life in prison. I could forgive you, but I will never forget.
[Burnett:] Castro pleaded guilty to 937 counts of kidnapping, rape and aggravated murder, but didn't stop him from denying he was monster.
[Ariel Castro, Convicted Kidnapper:] [Inaudible] totally wrong, like I said, I am not a violent person. [Inaudible] totally wrong.
[Burnett:] OUTFRONT tonight, Martin Savidge, he was in the courtroom and he has with me along with Clinical Psychologist, Dr. Jeff Gardere. Martin, let me start with you. You were in the courtroom. You just heard Ariel Castro. You had to hear it again because you heard it today. Most of the sex was consensual that the women had asked him for sex many times. What was the reaction when he said that?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I could give you my personal reaction, but first, I'll tell you that the courtroom is pretty much packed with law enforcement, very small courtroom. A lot of them, long time law enforcement, some came out of retirement to be there for this day because they've been searching for these girls for so long. Revulsion, you could hear just comments of disgusts. You could hear, well, if you could jaws drop, that would be that sound. I mean, it was just they were many are used to hearing statements where you have a criminal that will make a self serving comment. But the accusations he was making, they're just playing sick depravity of his words, thunderstruck a lot of people and there's a big heard a lot in their lives.
[Burnett:] Jeff, Ariel Castro then admitted after saying that, try to say, OK, well, I know what I did was wrong, try to say there was try to apologize, but then he said there was harming in the house, harming, and I just want to play that clip of him and get your reaction. Here's Ariel Castro again.
[Castro:] There's a lot of harming going on in that home. [Inaudible]
[Burnett:] The YouTube he's referring to, of course, is when she was at rap concert by the rapper Nelly and she was dancing. Prosecutors said Castro broke out in tears when he had to sign over the property deed a few days ago saying it was wrong to tear it down because he had so many, quoteunquote, "happy memories" in that home. What does that say about this man's brain?
[Jeffrey Gardere, Clinical Psychologist:] So in essence it tells us how does someone continue to do things that are so monstrous to other human beings? It's the denial. It's being delusional, but certainly, mark my words here, not delusional to the point of being legally insane. He knew the difference between right and wrong, but this is the mind of a psychopath and extreme personality disorder who now blames everyone else, blames society, and even says that what was happening was consensual. That is the delusion that keeps someone like that alive because if he were to face what he actually did, I think he'd probably kill himself.
[Burnett:] Martin, the state introduced new evidence today. I mean, we heard things we didn't know before, about how he abducted these women, specifically the stories, and there were a lot of pictures of the chains that he used to restrain them, of a gun. They even brought in a model of a house, exactly where they lived, showing where the women were forced to use the bathroom. What new did you learn today, Martin?
[Savidge:] Well, I mean, I guess what's interesting is, of course, this is a sentencing hearing so it should have been a rather perfunctory event, but it became a kind of mini trial. The reason the prosecution wanted to do this was to get on the record how bad Ariel Castro was and just the fact that he had pled guilty and that he's got life and 1,000 years, no. They wanted to make sure he would never get out and they wanted to make sure that history new the recording of his depravity. So that's why you saw these images of the rooms, and they weren't just rooms. They were cells. They had chains in them and these were horrible chains, not that there's any good chain. But to look at them, they weighed over 90 pounds added up, stretched over 90 feet. You saw that this was beyond just someone being held captive. It was torture. It was depravity and it was someone being diminished as a human being to just a sex object, which is another justification he gave. He said that he had a sexual addiction.
[Burnett:] And, of course, he has given that excuse, that he was himself abuses and that he had an addiction to porn. Amanda Berry and Gina Dejesus put out a statement. But Michelle Knight who struggled to speak before, she showed up in court. You saw here there. I mean, it makes your eyes tear up. Her nose is running, she is saying what she believes. Why do you think she and only she chose to come today?
[Gardere:] They were all tortured, but perhaps she was tortured more than the others if you can use some sort of hierarchy of that. Of course, they were all destroyed by this, but she was the one was beaten over and over again.
[Burnett:] She said he had beaten her to
[Gardere:] Exactly the miss abortions, miscarriages and so on. So he was the one and who came out in the video if you remember and made the most poignant statements. She had decided she is going to recreate her life and not let that monstrous pain that she has endured change her life for the worse, but actually change it for the better. She has a new mission in life and when she says that I can forgive you. It's not about forgiving him for him. It's for her to be able to move on and she was finally able to look him in the eye and say, I'm not afraid of you now. This is what you deserve. Now you suffer in hell for what we've gone through.
[Burnett:] It's just a courageous moment, just to watch her there. Thanks so much to both of you, Dr. Gardere and of course, our Martin Savidge who has been reporting on this. Still to come, the State Department announces that it is closing U.S. embassies in the Middle East and reason is they say there's a lot of terror chatter. Terrorist chatter has made officials incredibly nervous. The last time that chatter was so busy with Benghazi. Plus the latest from the Edward Snowden investigation, Russia slaps America in the face today. And then the latest in the Anthony Weiner sexting scandal, why there might be a few more Carlos Dangers out there. And a heart warming image, what this Marine did for a 9-year-old boy.

[Whitfield:] All right. Let's take a little moment to talk about horse racing and what wasn't. California Chrome was apparently eating dust as the Belmont Stakes last night. After winning the Preakness and Kentucky Derby, the horse was favored to win the Triple Crown but it wasn't to be. He ended up tied for fourth. CNN's Richard Roth joining me now from New York. So, Richard, Chrome's co-owner is not taking the loss well. Was he a sore loser or is he trying to educate people or what happened?
[Richard Roth, Cnn Senior Correspondent:] Yes. Well, he was definitely upset. His trainer thinks it might have been in the heat of the moment but Steve Coburn, the co-owner was angry on many days before the big race. Perhaps it was the pressure getting to him. But as you noted, California Chrome was a loser and many racetrack observers believe his co-owner was a sore loser.
[Whitfield:] Oh!
[Roth:] Steve Coburn, owner of California Chrome, was in a good mood moments before the Belmont Stakes, waving his cowboy hat to the fans. But minutes later, Coburn refused to wave the surrender flag after California Chrome finished fourth, missing out on the elusive Triple Crown. The California factory worker blasted other owners of horses who did not run in the first two legs of the Triple Crown, the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, leaving them restive for the Belmont, to take down California Chrome.
[Steve Coburn, California Chrome Co-owner:] This is a coward's way out, in my opinion. This is a coward's way out.
[Roth:] Critics have called Coburn's comments sour grape. He didn't back down Sunday morning.
[Coburn:] These people, they nominate their horses for the Triple Crown which means three. Triple. Three. And then they hold out two and they come back and run one. That would be like me at 6'2", that would be like me at 6'2", playing basketball with a kid in the wheelchair.
[Roth:] But the Triple Crown has been won only occurred 11 times. And that test of endurance winning three races of different distances in just five weeks is why it's horse racings' greatest achievement. Coburn's 77-year-old trainer was more generous in defeat.
[Art Sherman, California Chrome Trainer:] The horses are not cowards and the people aren't cowards. You know what I mean. I think it was a lot of text myself. But, hey, he was at the heat of the moment, you know what I mean? And don't forget, he's a fairly new owner, you know what I mean? Sometimes, your emotions get in front of you.
[Roth:] Coburn went to the barn to check on California Chrome who has an ailing hoof. The owner still sounded in pain.
[Coburn:] If there's ever a chance that we have another horse that has earned his way to the Kentucky Derby, we will run in Kentucky and then the hell with the rest of them.
[Roth:] California Chrome is off to California. His owner will follow but not singing "New York, New York" on takeoff. Coburn, the co-owner, well, his feelings are bruised and so was his horse, definitely with a bleeding hoof there after the race. But no excuses were given blaming that to the performance of California Chrome. Third biggest attendance at the Belmont Stakes ever, just over 100,000 people in attendance, Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] Exciting stuff. All right. You among them. Richard Roth, thank you so much. Let's talk more about this morning. Do the rules at Belmont sabotaged California Chrome's chances? Let's bring in Hank Goldberg. He's an ESPN commentator. We spoke yesterday. And he was trackside also for the race. OK. So, Hank, help us understand the comments from where those comments came. It's not customary that all 11 horses that would be in the Belmont Stakes were all in the previous races, right?
[Hank Goldberg, Espn Commentator:] Absolutely not. It's just another race and another opportunity for horses and this has happened before. It's interesting, we've been talking about the race now for a few minutes and we haven't mentioned the winner, Tonalist, who did a spectacular job. He's a well-bred horse, better bred, I must say, than California Chrome and I think he's going to go on to do great things. I am guilty of not picking him myself because I thought he was too lightly raced for this experience but and had he a terrific jockey in Joel Rosario and, by the way, it was a heck of a race. But getting back to your question, the name of this outfit is DAP. I don't know if I can say what it means here, but it has a donkey for a logo and certainly Mr. Coburn lived up to what that represents in his comments.
[Whitfield:] Oh, boy! OK. So, now, you know, I guess these comments just stay with the moment because it's not enough to change, you know, landscape of racing. I mean, it will always be the case that if you want your horse to run in the Preakness or the Belmont or the Kentucky Derby, and the horse qualifies, it's likely to be in that race and it doesn't necessarily have to be with the achievement or goal of a Triple Crown, because that's really what he's saying, that you're either for the Triple Crown or you, you know, really have no place in any one of the three races.
[Goldberg:] Well, Nick Zito, who has been down this lane before himself had an interesting comment this morning. There used to be a Triple Crown bonus for a horse who would run all three legs and, for that matter, he was saying that perhaps they could put in a system where a horse wins two of the three legs gets a bonus. They could do that. But why change this? It's a difficult task to win all three.
[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] Yes. It's why it's so phenomenal. Maybe that's why it's been 36 years, right? It's not easy.
[Goldberg:] That's right. Absolutely. And why embarrass the horse and a classy man like Mr. Sherman who, you know, did a great training job? The horse was injured early in the race. Had he a little chunk taken out of his leg when he was kicked and he still almost won. He ran his usual race except for the fact that he was five wide on the turn and had a little more ground to make up than usual and still he pulled even with the leaders with an eighth of a mile to go and it looked to me like he was a little bit tired. That takes a lot out of you.
[Whitfield:] And that's the longest race of the three.
[Goldberg:] Exactly.
[Whitfield:] Hank Goldberg, thanks so much. Appreciate it.
[Goldberg:] Thank you, Fredricka. Nice to see you, too.
[Whitfield:] All right, well, Hollywood hopes and prays for Tracy Morgan's speedy recovery. A criminal investigation is now under way for a crash that left him critically hurt. Who investigators have charged. Next.

[Holmes:] Well, she is the one of the world's most famous chefs. Her name is Nigella Lawson, and she's now also the target of allegations that she abused drugs daily.
[Gorani:] You may remember her from that tabloid image of her husband, at the time, Charles Saatchi, grabbing her by the throat. This is one of the richest art collectors, by the way, in Europe. And this is not a trial related to their divorce proceedings, but the trial of two former personal assistants accused of embezzling money from the couple.
[Holmes:] Exactly. CNN's Max Foster following developments from London. Particularly in the U.K., but also around the world, this is a very well-known couple. Charles Saatchi was a big advertising guru and art collector, as Hala said. What's been happening in court?
[Max Foster, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, we are just learning so much about this extraordinary household, this extraordinary relationship. Today, Charles Saatchi did turn up to the courthouse, but he wasn't allowed in to appear because the previous witness was still testifying, the previous witness actually, his solicitor, who described how he became suspicious of these two P.A.s, and at one point they were spending more than a hundred thousand dollars a month. But he didn't alert Charles Saatchi because he didn't want to distract him with what he described as "trivial matters." I mean, extraordinary amounts of money involved here, and it really is revealing so much about this couple and it's getting huge headlines here, of course.
[Foster:] The bitter battle between chef Nigella Lawson and her multimillionaire ex-husband Charles Saatchi now taking a shocking turn with new accusations of illegal drug use. In an e-mail read out in court, Saatchi accuses Lawson of using cocaine and marijuana on a daily basis, allowing two former personal assistants to walk away with more than $1 million over four years.
[Brian Balthazar, Entertainment Journalist:] You don't know what the truth is, but what it does do is pretty much damage Nigella Lawson's reputation. Whether or not it's true or not, we don't know, but now we have this story of alleged drug use from Nigella, and this could affect jobs that she has coming to her right now.
[Foster:] The former assistants, sisters Francesca and Elisabetta Grillo, are now facing criminal charges, accused of committing fraud, using a company credit card. They deny the charges. But Saatchi claims Lawson's drug habits allowed the sisters to spend whatever they liked. A spokesman for Lawson declined to comment, but the celebrity chef did tweet out a recipe and thanked supporters using the hash tag, #TeamNigella. The couple divorced this year after photos from the restaurant of Saatchi grabbing Lawson's throat during an argument made front-page headline.
[Unidentified Male:] Mr. Saatchi, do you have any comment this morning?
[Foster:] Saatchi accepted a police caution for assault. According to defense attorneys for the Grillo sisters, that's when Saatchi learned of Lawson's alleged drug use.
[Balthazar:] We have three different parties, basically all at each other's throats, and we really don't know the truth. Even if Nigella were to take a drug test tomorrow and positive for drugs, we still wouldn't know whether or not she was authorizing all this money to be spent.
[Foster:] The defense claims e-mail show both Saatchi and Lawson had attempted a manipulation of the court and that the case should be thrown out. The judge has ruled the case against the personal assistants will continue. So tomorrow might well be an extraordinary day, Michael and Hala, because Charles Saatchi will come back to appear, and he's been saying some extraordinary things about his ex-wife and he won't be accused of libel if he says these things in court. That's one of the things the defense keeps pointing out. Perhaps it's inappropriate to use the court for this sort of argument. But also, the defense team today have actually requested that Nigella Lawson also app appear tomorrow. And we would love to hear what she has to say, because so far, she's been quiet. She hasn't defended herself in any way, and we do need to hear here side of the story.
[Holmes:] Can't imagine the media scrum for that one.
[Gorani:] I was going to say, yes, we're hearing one side here. This is an acrimonious divorce and an ex-husband. We have to hear in this case, as well, from the other party, so hopefully, we will.
[Holmes:] Yeah. Max Foster there, thanks so much, Max. All right, Iran taking its first big step towards getting the world's trust back. Under that new cooperation agreement that was hammered out in Geneva, it has invited U.N. inspectors to visit the Arak heavy water production plant.
[Gorani:] This facility is linked to a reactor that, if completed, could produce enough plutonium for two atomic weapons a year. Iran agreed to stop, quote, "activities" at the reactor as part of last weekend's Geneva nuclear deal. The U.N. nuclear watchdog group is keeping a close eye on a reactor in North Korea.
[Holmes:] It is. Activity at that site indicates that North Korea might be trying to restart what is really an aging reactor. But U.N. officials say they have no access to that site and can't say for certain one way or the other whether the reactor has been restarted.
[Gorani:] Nuclear experts say the site is capable of producing weapons- grade plutonium, so that, another spot there in the world where the nuclear issues are making headlines. As for Japan now, this is one big crisis in that part of the world, everyone. It is taking a very defiant stand in a tense dispute with China. Japan is defying China's attempt to impose new restrictions on airspace over the East China Sea.
[Holmes:] Yeah, now, this includes the skies, not coincidentally, by the way, over islands claimed by both China and Japan. Now, Japanese aircraft flew through the disputed space without telling China, which China was demanding happen. Earlier this week, we also saw two unarmed B-52 bomber fly through this area.
[Gorani:] The State Department says it was part of a planned military exercise, but in this environment, everybody's feeling a bit testy.
[Holmes:] This is one of those stories where you just hope there is not a misunderstanding or miscommunication, because that could be ugly.
[Gorani:] And not any kind of mistake
[Holmes:] Exactly.
[Gorani:] whatsoever. A very tense environment there, we'll continue to follow that. But still to come, while families cook their Thanksgiving turkeys, a comet is set to endure its own roasting.
[Holmes:] Get it? Get it? You're going to see, next up, how you may see this Thanksgiving spectacular in the sky.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Wondering, too, about Stockholm syndrome. I mean, here you are depending on these people to feed you, to shelter you, to clothe you, to decide whether you live or die. You wonder what the mindset is when he gets back. The parents obviously as we said were waiting to hear whether they are going to be reunited with him either in Germany, where he's going to Landstuhl Medical Center or after he comes back, reinstituted in San Antonio at the Brook Medical Center. So, that is the latest we're getting from the Defense Department this morning. But we do know that the 28-year-old was flown to Germany from Afghanistan and he's going to go through some real medical treatment as they try to discern what his mental state is, his physical state is, and he'll be debriefed, too, before he returns home.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] Now, remember, he was captured by the Taliban at the end of June in 2009, just short of five years. Yesterday, the militants freed him in return for the released of five terrorist suspects held at Guantanamo Bay. Let's now go to CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr for more on this incredible story. Barbara, good morning.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Victor, Christi, it was an extraordinary negotiation, five Taliban for one American soldier.
[Bob Bergdahl, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's Father:] I'd like to say to Bowe right now who is having trouble speaking English.
[Starr:] An emotional moment as Bowe Bergdahl's parents stand with the president.
[Jani Bergdahl, Bowe Bergdahl's Mother:] I just want to say thank you to everyone who has supported Bowe.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] After nearly five years in captivity, their son, Bowe, is coming home.
[Bowe Bergdahl:] Release me, please. I'm begging you, bring me home, please? Bring me home.
[Starr:] Behind the scenes, a secret choreography had quickly been worked out in the last several days. A U.S. command center was set up at an undisclosed location. U.S. commandos secretly flew to a point near the border where the Taliban said they would be waiting to turn Bergdahl over. Back at Guantanamo bay, officials from Qatar were on standby, waiting to take custody of the five Taliban detainees the U.S. was releasing in return for Bergdahl. That was the guarantee the Taliban needed to let the American soldier go after five years a prisoner. The Pentagon will not disclose if it was Navy SEALs or Army Delta Force teams. They were taking no chances. Several dozen of America's most elite forces were involved. Other troops stayed at a distance, plankton drones flew overhead keeping watch. The heavily armed U.S. troops landed facing 18 Taliban and Bergdahl. A senior U.S. official says Bowe Bergdahl was able to walk and they quickly got him on board the helicopter. Once in the air, an extraordinary moment. Bergdahl wrote down the letters "SF?", asking if these men were U.S. Special Forces. [on camera]: The men replied, yes, they were special forces, and they told Bergdahl they'd been looking for him for a very long time. At that point, Bowe Bergdahl broke down Christi, Victor.
[Blackwell:] Barbara Starr at the Pentagon for us Barbara, thank you very much. Now the question this morning among many of the questions, who are the five Guantanamo detainees released in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl? Other top Taliban commanders the group has tried to free for more than a decade. We've got pictures here but we have to say these, these are photos obtained by WikiLeaks that match the names released by the Department of Defense, but DOD would neither confirm nor deny their accuracy. All these men held important positions within the Taliban, ranging from interior minister to chief of their army staff.
[Paul:] So, these five you're looking at here are due to arrive in Qatar today. Qatari officials are assuring the U.S. they will not become a terror threat and they won't even travel out of Qatar for a year. But a lot of people are wondering how do you assure that?
[Blackwell:] CNN's Richard Quest us live in Doha. Richard, what are the Qataris saying if anything how they will assure these men will not be reintegrated and become a threat to the U.S. and others?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Correspondent:] The authorities are saying absolutely nothing on that crucial question, as they refuse to give any details about the operation, safe to say that the mandate to negotiate was agreed by the emir himself, that it was generally what they described basic foreign policy principles of humanitarian considerations, and when you push them just that little bit further, they say they were able to act as the linchpin in these negotiations because they enjoyed the confidence of both the Taliban, where the Taliban actually have representatives here in Doha and the United States, which, of course, has longstanding military economic very deep ties between Qatar and the U.S. Even so, which ever way you pass their words, Qatar very much at the center of what has been one of the most delicate and difficult negotiations.
[Paul:] Well, defense let's talk about Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. We understand that he is on his way to Qatar as well. I want to listen here to something that he said. He said, "Do you think this will help negotiation" I'm wondering I guess, do we have sound from him? OK, let's listen to defense secretary here.
[Chuck Hagel, Defense Secretary:] Whether that could lead to possible new breakthroughs with the Taliban, I don't know. Hopefully, it might.
[Paul:] All right. So, Richard, do you think that this will help in negotiations in any way with the Taliban in the U.S.?
[Quest:] If there is one country that is well-positioned to act as a broker, an honest broker, if you like, between the two sides, when it comes to the Taliban. Not so in other areas of Middle East policy where Qatar enjoyed the enmity of many of its gulf partners because of its policies with Syria and Egypt and the like. But when you talk about the Taliban, here the Qataris are uniquely positioned to act as this honest broker between the two. For the time being, the new emir has only been in office a year. The regime change was June of last year. So, the new emir is keen to carry favor with the United States. There can be little doubt that the actions they performed in the last few months will certainly go a long way in Washington to put them in a favorable light.
[Blackwell:] All right. We'll look for the fruits of this relationship moving forward. Richard Quest in Doha for us Richard, thank you.
[Paul:] So, one of the people who advises the president on national security matter is gong to be right here on CNN this morning.
[Blackwell:] National security adviser Susan Rice was there in the Rose Garden yesterday as the president made the announcement that Bergdahl had been released and this morning she's on "STATE OF THE UNION WITH CANDY CROWLEY". You have to hear what she has to say, coming up this morning at 9:00 Eastern, right here on CNN. We're going to have much more on the release of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl in a moment, because there are many angles that we still have to discuss. But we do have some other stories that broke overnight we want to tell you about this morning.
[Paul:] All seven people aboard a private jet, first of all, sadly were killed in a fiery crash. This happened about 20 miles northwest of Boston. Officials say the plane apparently caught fire. Photos appearing on social media purporting to be of the crash site show flames and smoke.
[Blackwell:] Now, the victims have not been identified. Their jet had taken off from Hanscom Air Force Base when it ran into a wooded area there, but we know the NTSB is investigating.
[Paul:] And rescuers are not optimistic about finding six missing climbers alive on Mt. Rainier. Park officials say there's "no viable chance of survival" after a helicopter search spotted only climbing gear. Now, it's believed the group most likely died in some sort of fall. Rescuers received a signal from the emergency beacons, but they only continue their search by area because entering the ground is too dangerous. The group vanished several days ago.
[Blackwell:] Well, there's unanimous relief and excitement that Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl has been released but there are some lawmakers in the second line of statements, in the second lines of these news conferences expressing some concern. We'll tell you why.
[Paul:] Yes, in the meantime, people in Bergdahl's hometown oh, they are just over the moon right now.
[Blackwell:] Yes, they are.
[Paul:] We're going to take you there, next.

[Cuomo:] OK, it is day three of the murder trial of Olympian Oscar Pistorius underway in South Africa. There has been testimony already that may move the case one way or another. So let's walk through the major make or break points. We have for the prosecution and defense one analyst for each. Vinnie Politan, the host of HLN's "After Dark" a former prosecutor. He'll take the prosecution's side. Danny Cevallos, CNN legal analyst, criminal defense attorney, he'll take the other side. First of all, allow me to say, Vinnie, I like the new do. OK? Let me get that out of the way.
[Vinnie Politan, Former Prosecutor:] Oh, thank you. I'm crazy, wild, and young again.
[Cuomo:] Otherwise, I am objective. So I will begin with you. There has been big testimony very early on in this case. What do you think the prosecution has done well so far?
[Politan:] I think one thing they've done is established that there was a woman screaming before the gun shots. And that a key to this case, Chris. If there's a woman screaming before the gun shot, then Oscar Pistorius cannot get up and court and say, "Oh, I thought it was an intruder. Oh, I thought it was burglars coming into the house." He knew that she was awake. He knew who was behind the door when he put the bullets into Reeva Steenkamp. So I think that's one thing they've done really well right out of the gate with three ear-witnesses.
[Cuomo:] Danny Cevallos, countering Vinnie's open collar look with the tie and the clip, more buttoned-down, suggesting that you're going to be very strict on your defense. So how do you rebut not one, but two witnesses saying they heard sounds of a lot of enthusiasm. Vinnie's saying there. But there's two we've heard from so far. How do you counter that as defense?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] I will concede that by now we now have corroboration between the witnesses, the ear-witnesses in this case. But even with corroboration, they're all telling sort of the same story, the problem is virtually every factor negatively affecting ear-witness testimony is in this case. You have a distance of about 200 yards. And at least one of the participants was behind a locked door in the bathroom with the window closed. So even though you had some corroboration, you have the fact that it's been a year, these witnesses have had the opportunity to be influenced by media reports. And now their testimony, while it is consistent, simply is undermined by science. And that is that at least one of the participants was 200 yards away in a locked bathroom. And now they're saying they can hear clearly two distinct screams. It just belies common sense.
[Cuomo:] All right, so Vinnie, you're shaking your head because you don't like the "one of them was behind a closed door." Deal with that, but also this suggestion, that just because there was screaming doesn't mean that you have premeditated murder. So connect the dots.
[Politan:] OK, OK, let me start first with the window, OK? The whole thing of being locked in that toilet, that's if you believe the defense attorney in his cross-examination and the statement of Oscar Pistorius. If there's an argument, she's going to be screaming before she gets into that door. And Oscar Pistorius is the one who told us the other window was wide open in that bathroom. Let's put that aside. Premeditation, that's going to be, perhaps, the biggest obstacle because we're in South Africa, and you need a little bit more planning to prove premeditation. But how much time does it take for Oscar Pistorius to go from the bathroom, go back to his bedroom, retrieve his gun and then go back to the bathroom and then decide to shoot? In my world, that's enough for premeditation. He took the time to plan, "I'm gonna get the gun. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna bring it back here, and I'm gonna shoot her."
[Cuomo:] Let me stay with you for a second because this matters. How do you show that Oscar Pistorius did any of those things that you just mentioned instead of what he says happened, which was him making his way over very difficulty because he didn't have his prosthetics on, and firing almost randomly into what he thought was surely a threat and he had had threats like that before in a very dangerous area where he lives that has big walls and barbed wire?
[Politan:] It's absolutely dangerous. Electrified barbed wire, by the way. Absolutely true that is dangerous there. But here's the thing, the whole thing about him not being on his prosthetics, I think gives him more time to think about what he's going to do. It's going to take longer to go retrieve the gun. It's going to take longer to follow her into the bathroom. It's going to take longer. So the whole way that he's arguing that one, "Oh, I don't have my prosthetics on, I can't think about what I'm doing," he's just bought twice as much time at least.
[Cuomo:] Danny, what do you make of the suggestion about whether or not he had the legs on he says he didn't and what that says to premeditation? And also comment on why are you arguing that your client screams like a woman?
[Cevallos:] You argue you absolutely argue amidst the truth, first of all. And second of all, it's a really brilliant strategy because it shows the panic that Oscar Pistorius may have felt, that he was in anguish after this happened. And that, even though it may be embarrassing, who cares? The truth is, the man was in anguish. He was screaming whether it was like a girl or like a man, it really doesn't matter. And maybe that humanizes him to the jury.
[Cuomo:] What is that, like "The Princess Bribe" defense, where, you know, that is the scream of one who can only be in true love? Who's ever heard of that before?
[Ceballos:] Actually actually, it is no, it's the idea that sometimes the truth is not so glamorous. And if he screamed like some may say a girl, then that may be more credible then him purporting to have done something admirable. Look, at the end of the day, Oscar Pistorius has to convince a judge that instead of having murderous intent, he was merely galactically stupid when he did what he did. So in that sense, he already has to make that sort of concession that he didn't do the right thing. We already know that he shot into a bathroom that most of us wouldn't do. So he already has that sort of defense lined up and ready to go. Ultimately, whether he was well, we know that they've conceded he's on without his prosthetics. So that will be key in evaluating the ballistics. But ultimately, the key is for the defense to defuse the ballistics, defuse the blood spatter, get rid of the science and attack those ear-witnesses.
[Cuomo:] Still explaining a scenario, though, that just doesn't make sense to a lot of people on the outside, how he lost track of his girlfriend and she wound up shot up in that bathroom so tragically. But a really good take on where we are so far. Danny Cevallos, thank you very much. Vinnie Politan, a pleasure. We're watching you on HLN. Great coverage there. Appreciate it, guys. All right, so what do you think? Those are kind of the that's the, kind of, the bedrock of where the case is so far. Let's keep the discussion going. Ask any questions if you want. I'll try to get answers for you. Tweet us with the hash tag new day. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Coming up next on NEW DAY, Russian President Vladimir Putin has made some very serious claims defending Russia's involvement, invasion, occupation, whatever you want to call it, in Ukraine. We're going to separate fact from fiction for you. And are even the most conservative parts of America coming around on medical marijuana? Georgia took a big step towards that. Dr. Sanjay Gupta will be here with a preview, talk about that and a preview of his new documentary.

[Keilar:] It's really been a roller coaster few days in Switzerland as negotiations over Iran's nuclear program blew past the original deadline yesterday. But all signs pointing to progress are a reason to keep going. CNN global affairs correspondent, Elise Labott, is following all of this in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the negotiations are going on. Elise, because this is changing almost moment to moment certainly between the wee hours of the morning and even now, tell us where we stand right now.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Global Affairs Correspondent:] Well, Brianna, we're about 20 hours past that deadline of last night. And the negotiators are still going. U.S. officials saying there's been some progress but still those sticking points remain unresolved and it's unclear if there's going to be anything to announce at all or when it might come together. But the German foreign minister has already gone a bit further saying the talks will go into tomorrow. And I've also heard similar from other diplomats. Clearly they feel there's enough progress, they're not completely deadlocked to say it's all for naught and go home. But clearly, there are unresolved issues. If there is an announcement, and we don't know there will be, it seems like it will be something very vague and general with a lot of issues unresolved, which is going to make it even harder for the president to sell to Congress to prevent them from imposing sanctions on Iran.
[Keilar:] Are the sticking points still the same, where you're talking about how quickly sanctions would snap back into effect if Iran were to violate the agreement, and also the later years of this 15-year agreement, the nuclear activities that Iran would be able to participate in? Is it all the same at this point what they're hammering out?
[Labott:] That remains the big those are the big sticking points. How Iran could resume its nuclear advanced technology. But also the snapback of those sanctions. It's not only Iran that doesn't want the snapback of the sanctions. The Russians don't also. Once those sanctions are completely lifted, they're gone. It's really hard to re-impose them without getting around the Russian veto at the U.N. Security council. The Russians aren't so eager to let them go. So it's not just those issues about Iran's nuclear program but also there are the geopolitical issues of all the other countries, the U.S. with Congress, the Russians with their insecurities in the U.N. Security Council that fit into it, that's what makes this so complicated. But they are still going and we do understand the talks will continue into tomorrow Brianna?
[Keilar:] And so it goes on. Elise Labott for us in Lausanne, Switzerland, thank you so much. Let's talk more about those negotiations and Iran's increasing role in the volatile Middle East. Here with me to discuss all of this is California Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff, the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. You really have the message from the White House here that getting no deal might actually be better than getting a bad deal. Just moments ago, White House spokesman, Josh Earnest, said the U.S. is prepared to walk away if necessary. Can the U.S. really walk away? We're hearing this from the U.S. side of things. But Iran and Russia are much more optimistic about a deal.
[Rep. Adam Schiff, , California:] We can walk away and we would have to walk away if we don't get a good deal. It's very important for the president to come back to Congress to sell this to point to concrete things that have been delivered in terms of being able to snap back the sanctions you were just talking about. That's important because otherwise it could take months or year to try to re- establish the same kind of economic stranglehold on Iran if necessary. And it's important that inspectors have unfettered access not just to the sites we know about but other sites that Iran may begin clandestine efforts.
[Keilar:] It's been years in the making of getting Iran economically to a point where, the U.S. would argue, it doesn't have a choice but to come to the table and try to get relief from some of these sanctions. Elise spoke about the possibility that the sanctions could go away, Iran gets what it wants. If it violates this agreement, Russia stands in the way of putting those sanctions back in place at the U.N. level. And then the U.S. could have been played for a fool, right?
[Schiff:] Well, it could happen. And Russia certainly wants to have that kind of leverage over the United States, over the other European powers that it would get by having a veto again in the Security Council to new Iranian sanctions. You can imagine how that would factor in, for example, if we had the same fight over Ukraine three years from now when Iran is cheating and we're dependent on Russia to reinstate sanctions. That's a problem obviously we need to avoid. So it's tough. But you can see a scenario very well playing out in the future where the United States and our European partners very much suspect that Iran is cheating. We have evidence that Iran is cheating but then going back into the United Nations to get those sanctions again would be very tough.
[Keilar:] Let's talk about Iran in terms of some of the leverage that it has. In Iraq, big news today. You see that Iraqi forces were able to retake Tikrit. But only with the help and they wouldn't have been able to do it without the help of these Shiite militias that are Iran- backed. Is Iran feeling emboldened here that since the lesson that we've learned from this situation with Tikrit is that Iraqi forces aren't strong enough without these Iranian-backed militias? Is Iran thinking we can throw our weight around, we're needed here?
[Schiff:] I think Iran is feeling very emboldened by several things, by the fact that you have this Shia rebel take over of Yemen, that you have a very close relationship with their arch former enemy, Iraq, where they can control a lot of the Iraqi defense services. In Tikrit, it's more of a mixed bag. The al Quds leader had to leave the area. That was a loss of respect and face for Iran. So I think a mixed picture in Tikrit. But I think it will be very important for the United States to continue to insist that these militias not play an outsized role in the taking back of Sunni towns because they could win the battle but lose the war if other Sunnis feel that they're endangered by these militias.
[Keilar:] There could some reprisals. Talk to us about Congress' role and what you want to see in terms of Congress' involvement when it comes to sanctions and these Iran nuclear talks.
[Schiff:] Well, I've been keeping an open mind about a deal. Whether it's good or bad, it makes sense to wait to see if we, in fact, have one because sanctions will pass in a heartbeat if we don't. If Iran either reneges, walks away, I will support them. There will be overwhelming bipartisan support for a new round of sanctions. The question is, where will that leave us? I think this is what makes these negotiations so vexing. It's not like we're choosing between having a great deal or a poor deal. We're choosing between having what I hope will be a good deal or Iran going back to spinning up its centrifuges, back to enriching uranium, coming close to a red line, and having a discussion with our Israeli allies, are they getting close to your red line and how far are they from our own red line? We have to choose between these alternate futures and no one has a crystal ball.
[Keilar:] And we're talking about U.S. sanctions, a slice of the pie when you talking about all of the sanctions on Iran at that time. Congressman Schiff, thank you for being with us.
[Schiff:] Thank you.
[Keilar:] Coming up, there is a call for a fix. The governor of Arkansas refuses to sign a religious freedom bill viewed by many as a license to discriminate. The changes that he wants made before he signs it into law. We'll talk about that.

[Blitzer:] It's an aggressive move certain to strain the already tense relationship between Moscow and Washington. Russia now planning to send warplanes on patrols off U.S. coastlines. Brian Todd is looking into this story for us. Brian, what is going on over here?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, this is about Russia's risky calculated pattern of aggression toward the U.S. and its western allies. There have been multiple incursions close to U.S. air space this year. Recently, a Russian military plane came within 50 miles of the California coast. Some of these encounters have come within a razor's edge of causing serious casualties.
[Todd:] A dangerous maneuver: a Russian jet fighter buzzes right in front of a U.S. Air Force surveillance plane, within about 100 feet of the nose. A move which U.S. officials said endangered the American crew. Another incident: a Russian military aircraft comes within 50 miles of the California coast, the closest in years. Get ready for more. Russia's defense minister says his military is about to send long-range bombers to patrol near American coastlines.
[Barry Pavel, The Atlantic Council:] You're going to have bombers coming in this direction from Russia. You're certainly going to have longer range bombers coming down this coast almost certainly. And you're also going to have bombers coming down this coast. And he also mentioned in particular flying in the Gulf of Mexico. So we're talking about ringing the United States, with the exception of the Canadian border.
[Todd:] The Russian planes likely won't fly inside U.S. Air space, within 14 miles of the coast. But U.S. Officials call the action "provocative and destabilizing." Russia's defense minister says it's in response to aggression near its border with Ukraine.
[Pavel:] This is a rationalization by Russia and, in particular, by President Putin to strengthen Putin his appeal with his base.
[Todd:] Russia's aggression playing out around the globe. A Scandinavian passenger jet nearly colliding with a Russian surveillance plane. One incident right out of a Tom Clancy novel: In waters near Stockholm, a mysterious underwater vessel makes an emergency call in Russian. It triggers the largest submarine hunt off Sweden since the Cold War. All this has taken place since Russia invaded Crimea in February. More than 40 close military encounters in that period, according to one European report. Analysts say this is one man, Vladimir Putin, flexing his muscle, desperate to restore Russia's Cold War power.
[Flora Hill, Brookings Institution:] Putin is personifying as the tough guy, the image of Russia he wants to present, a Russia that will not back down, a Russia that will take on the west. And a Russia that will take on everybody.
[Todd:] The dangers now, according to analysts, that Russian or western forces might miscalculate, and there might be some kind of military confrontation. Also, that given all the air traffic around the United States, especially the Eastern Seaboard, there might be some kind of accident with a Russian aircraft. Or that some other American adversary will follow Vladimir Putin's lead.
[Blitzer:] These Russian planes, when they fly into these areas, including off the U.S. Coast, whether in the gulf of Mexico, the Caribbean, areas close to the United States, they won't necessarily be using some key instruments.
[Todd:] That really makes it dangers, Wolf. Analysts say the Russian military aircraft often don't file flight plans. They turn their transponders often. They sometimes don't fly with their lights on at night. They don't always respond to radio queries from air traffic control. That is the real concern, about a potential aviation accident with a commercial aircraft. That could happen. It's very worrisome. Brian, thanks for that report. Just ahead, he performed a second autopsy on Michael Brown. Now this pathologist, hired by the teen's family, is sharing his findings with the grand jury investigating the controversial police shooting. We're taking a closer look at the impact his testimony could have on the case.

[Blitzer:] All right. This just coming into THE SITUATION ROOM. A new fallout from one of the week's most dramatic moments back in Washington. Let's go right to our chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash up on Capitol Hill. She has details of an IRS official's fate. What are we learning, Dana?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Well, we've learned. Wolf, that Lois Lerner, who is head of the division that did the targeting of Tea Party groups, has been put on administrative leave. And she's actually already been replaced. But, Wolf, being bounced from her job may be the least of her worries because Congress wanted her to come back and answer the questions she refused to yesterday about the issue that really has really sparked bipartisan outrage.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you solemnly swear
[Bash:] It was no surprise that Lois Lerner, a central figure in the IRS scandal, invoked her Fifth Amendment rights.
[Lois Lerner, Irs Exempt Organization Director:] And not testify or answer any of the questions today.
[Bash:] What did surprise committee Republicans is before saying she would not talk, she did just that. Making a lengthy statement and then professing her innocence.
[Lerner:] I have not done anything wrong. I have not broken any laws. I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations.
[Bash:] Republicans pounced, saying Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.
[Rep. Trey Gowdy , South Carolina:] You don't get to tell your side of the story and not be subjected to cross-examination.
[Rep. Darrell Issa , Chairman, Oversight And Government Reform Committee:] Will you please seek counsel for further guidance on this matter while we wait?
[Lerner:] I will not answer any questions or testify about the subject matter of this committee's meetings.
[Bash:] GOP chairman Darrell Issa eventually dismissed Lerner. Now a day later Issa concluded Lerner did waive her right to not answer questions and he's calling her back. But many experts do not think Issa is on firm, legal footing. Attorney Stan Brand was a top lawyer in Congress, since has represented many clients called to Capitol Hill. [On Camera] Do you think Chairman Issa is right that Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights?
[Stan Brand, Former General Counsel To House Of Representatives:] No, I don't because I think that a brief prefatory statement of innocence that doesn't evolve into a factual representation is not a waiver. And it's been done before.
[Bash:] For example, former Enron CEO Ken Lay during the height of scandal. But he was more subtle than Lerner about arguing he did nothing wrong.
[Ken Lay, Former Enron Ceo:] One of the Fifth Amendment's basic functions is to protect innocent men.
[Bash:] Issa aides argue witnesses who invoke the Fifth Amendment tend not to say much more like when Issa called GSA employee Jeff Neely about lavish GSA conferences and excess government spending.
[Jeff Neely, Former Gsa Executive:] I respectfully decline to answer based upon my Fifth Amendment constitutional privilege.
[Bash:] The committee's top Democrat argues calling Lerner back is a waste of time.
[Rep. Elijah Cummings , Overnight And Government Reform Committee:] There's a 99.999 chance that when she comes back in, she's going to say the same thing. It undermines the credibility of our committee, and it undermines the credibility of our investigation.
[Bash:] Now, Wolf, it's unclear when Chairman Issa is going to call her back. But if she comes and refuses to answer questions, what the committee could do is hold her in contempt. They could both dare to do that, they could send this to the full House of Representatives. They could have the same vote and that would be referred to the Justice Department who could actually prosecute her. But the reality is, that could take years and the Justice Department is already involved in its own criminal investigation of this very broad issue, of course, of IRS wrongdoing Wolf.
[Blitzer:] All right. We'll watch it with you, together, Dana. Thanks very much. Right at the top of the hour, a mother about to give birth, unable to move, and the nurses who risked their lives during the tornado to keep her safe.
[Unidentified Female:] Once I felt the floor start shaking, it feels like an earthquake and I knew we were getting hit directly.

[Baldwin:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Comedian Tracy Morgan remains in critical condition this morning as we are learning more about what caused that deadly crash that landed Morgan and three others in the hospital. Take a look at the new video. This is what we have from TMZ and it shows the utter panic in the desperate moments after the crash. Now, prosecutors now say the truck driver who slammed into Morgan's vehicle had been awake for more than 24 hours before that accident. So, Mary Schiavo, let me bring you in, former inspector general for the U.S. Transportation Department. Mary, good morning to you.
[Mary Schiavo, Former Inspector General, Dot:] Good morning.
[Baldwin:] You know, I read this whole article that you had written based upon this Harvard study 2012. We talk a lot about drivers, truckers, lack of sleep versus how that equates almost driving drunk and you say you know what? It's actually worse.
[Schiavo:] Right. In many cases, both Harvard and Stanford researchers show being sleepy has effects on the body that are worse than being drunk because the neurons you need in your brain that you most need when you're awake, in order, let's you sense what you're seeing and react, shut down first. Like your brain decides on itself, I'm tired and I had enough and they shut it down. So, truckers they found would see, for example, traffic obstruction and literally the brains wouldn't register it, so it was worse in some cases than being drunk.
[Baldwin:] That's frightening. You drive along on the highways we'aware of the massive trucks driving along. They have to be out there. But I'm wondering, though. Obviously, we're talking about the wake in this particular accident, but how widespread is this issue of sleep deprivation?
[Schiavo:] Well, it's terribly widespread. Americans, more than 35 percent of Americans have reported that they regularly get less than seven hours of sleep a night and there approximately 4,000 highway, traffic highway deaths caused every year by tired truckers and the entire drivers in addition to tired truckers, bring that number up to about 7,800 a year. So it's a very widespread problem and probably about a third of the accidents are caused by being tired.
[Baldwin:] So, here is the issue and it just so happens that recently, you know, there are laws on the books for how long truckers can go before they have that mandatory break. But this Senate committee, a couple of days ago, they voted to ease the restrictions, right, to allow these truckers to cut the maximum workweek to 70 hours from 82. You know, the trucking industry says, listen, if you tighten these things up on us, you'll create more traffic, not to mention your shipping costs will go up. What do you say to that?
[Schiavo:] Well, first of all, it won't create more traffic. It would actually probably create less because you go back to regular normal schedules. But time is money, and that is what truckers say and that's what trucker companies say. But working 82 you know, 80 hours a week means you're working double jobs. And what they found also is when you're doing that, and if you don't get the critical time period of sleep I know you at NEW DAY probably don't get it very often.
[Baldwin:] Not enough. Not enough.
[Schiavo:] But from 1:00 to 5:00, if you don't get those hours, then you you really have a problem with functioning normally. And truckers, if they are working, you know, literally 80 hours a week, you can't make that up in the afternoon or evening because you're working, and so that is the problem with the schedule that literally has them working double hours. It's impossible to make up for that sleep. And having a day and a half off just won't do it. You just can't catch up for that punishing schedule. So Congress and the Senate are going to do something very bad in rolling back these safety regulations, and the number of deaths will go up. That's been proven. They did a study in New England where they showed they increased you know, they they decreased the rate and the deaths went up.
[Baldwin:] But, Mary, just quickly, this trucker was driving for Walmart. Walmart says, listen, if it's found that the truck was responsible, we will take full responsibility. But technology today, these companies can monitor their truckers to see if they are sleeping!
[Schiavo:] Exactly. The companies can monitor their truckers, and the issue that many say, though, is you can't monitor the truckers in his or off off-duty hours. And they found the same thing with pilots and nuclear plant operates, et cetera. So they are supposed to be home sleeping and they are not, and the company says, well, what do you want us to do? Be the nanny and monitor them at all times? Well, you know, you you solve that by saying you got to make sure you have behind the door time. You know, in your time off you have to be in a place where you can sleep behind the door eight hours, so you can refresh your body. And you can't be the nanny, but you can schedule them to make sure that happens. And technically by law, Walmart probably did to that, and they should have done it. It's the law, but it'll remain to be seen what the facts are.
[Baldwin:] We'll wait to see the facts. We'll also wait to see if there are any changes on Capitol Hill. Mary Schiavo, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
[Schiavo:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] Chris, it's definitely something to think about, you know when you're out on a road trip. You see all the truckers around wondering, "Are they sleeping? Is this safe?" Things to think about.
[Cuomo:] Mary is dead right. Safety issues are really clear. The question is who wins this situation about leverage. Is it going to be the industry who wins or public safety? So we will be following this story. Thanks for doing that for us, Brooke. Come on back to the desk. We're gonna take a break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, she somehow survived this brutal attack. Remember, 12-year-old girl allegedly stabbed 19 times by two friends. Well, the good news there actually is good news. She's home back in Wisconsin. We are talking to a family friend about a stunning survival, the outpouring support that this young girl is receiving and what is going to happen next.

[Piers Morgan, Cnn:] This is PIERS MORGAN LIVE. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. Tonight exclusive, three suspects in Ohio, accused of keeping a mentally disabled woman and her daughter slaves in an apartment with the snakes, dogs and the Iguanas. I'll talk to one of the suspects' mothers. And a shirt with the trouble. You know how I feel about guns but should the boy who wore this NRA T-shirt go to jail? His father joins me exclusively. Plus the government says the NSA snooping stopped 50 terror plots. I'll talk to Glenn Greenwald. He, of course, is the reporter who broke the NSA leak story and the man who made history when he leaked the Pentagon papers, Daniel Ellsberg. Also a Hollywood plot so crazy it has to be true, and indeed it is. Star crossed teenagers robbing celebrities' homes. Real-life victim Paris Hilton is in "The Chair" with me tonight. But I want to begin with a shocking story out of Ohio. A mentally disabled woman and her young daughter allegedly held captive for two years in an apartment full of dogs and snakes. Prosecutors say they were forced into manual labor, beaten and given dog food to eat while the animals got table food. Three people, Jordie Callahan, Jessica Hunt and Daniel Brown, have been charged in the shocking case while authorities said they expect to arrest a fourth person. Joining me now is Scott Taylor, an investigative reporter for our affiliate WOIO in Cleveland. Scott, this is a pretty awful story. Tell me what we know.
[Scott Taylor, Woio Cleveland:] Well, right now we know, Piers, that back in 2011 it looks like Jordie as well as Jessica who live together with their four sons invited this mother who is 28 at the time, now 30, and her daughter into the home. They quickly, according to the FBI, put them down in a basement, let them sleep on the cement floor, eventually moved them up into bedrooms, and this is eerily similar to the Ariel Castro situation, if you remember that last month. Then they made her basically become a slave, Piers. She cooked, cleaned, actually went out in the yard and did yard work, and then eventually let her go out and shop, but they made sure they timed her, I believe, on a stopwatch to come back, never let her take her daughter, either and they watched her, Piers, in the bedrooms upstairs in a video monitor, much like a baby monitor to make sure that she wasn't trying to escape and believe it or not, and this gets even more disturbing, I am being told that Jordie and Jessica actually tied up this mother's little girl at night to make sure she didn't get out to get any food or anything to drink.
[Morgan:] Absolutely appalling. The situation was only discovered in October when the woman who we only identified at the moment as S.E. was arrested for stealing a candy bar and asked to be taken to jail in what seems to be a deliberate attempt to escape captivity.
[Taylor:] Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head. Investigators, the FBI believe that's exactly what happened. She eventually told police over time that somebody at the house where she was living was being mean to her. Then they continued to ask questions, and the floodgates just opened. She said that she was threatened with guns, threatened with attacks of numerous pit bulls that were in the house. They had 130-pound python there. They had supposedly a poisonous corral snake, and they would bring those out in front of her and her daughter, try to scare her, I guess to maybe condition her to stay there, and it was truly horrendous, if you believe all of this coming from the mother.
[Morgan:] And the motivation appears to be financial, is that right?
[Taylor:] Yes, I think you're right. The FBI says that Jessica Hunt had all of her government assistant cards, her PIN numbers, and Daniel Brown according to documents told the FBI that they called her their bank. In other words, kind of a street lingo saying that they could scam her out of the money, didn't give her very much of her government assistant payments and used the money for themselves.
[Morgan:] Scott Taylor, thank you very much indeed for that report. Joining me now exclusively is the mother of one of the suspects, Jordie Callahan. She's asked us not to use her last name. I'll just call her Becky and she's joining me by telephone. Welcome to you, Becky. Can you tell me what your reaction is to this shocking story?
[Becky, Mother Of Suspect In Slavery Case:] Well, I know, you know, how it was down there because I was there quite a bit. There is so many lies going on and mainly by Detective Baker here in Ashland. He's just been telling one lie after another, putting his name up in highlights, I guess, because there is never been a big case in Ashland. And he hasn't been a detective very long and
[Morgan:] So when you say lies, I mean when you say lies, are you disputing that your son along with the other suspects kept this woman who is, we know, mentally disabled and her child captive for two years?
[Becky:] Yes, that's wrong.
[Morgan:] What is what is
[Becky:] And she's not really mentally disabled.
[Morgan:] OK. What is wrong about it?
[Becky:] What is everything is wrong about it. The girl that is supposedly a victim had went where she wanted to go wherever she wanted to go. I've seen her in stores many a times by herself, all the time. It's all lie.
[Morgan:] The police have come out with a the police have come out with extensive and categoric details of a litany of abuse bordering on torture and captivity, and have made charges to that effect. So are you saying that absolutely none of this is true?
[Becky:] Absolutely none of this is true, no. She is
[Morgan:] Why would
[Becky:] Excuse me?
[Morgan:] No, after you.
[Becky:] What was that?
[Morgan:] No, you say what you want to say, Becky.
[Becky:] Supposedly victim has been over at my house many times for birthday parties, Thanksgiving, Christmas, you know, there is no, none of this happened.
[Morgan:] If none of this happened, why are the police taking this dramatic action of charging your son and his partner and the third person and potentially a fourth with extremely serious offenses?
[Becky:] Because Jordie and Jessie heard the little girl crying a lot in the bedroom that they were at. Not basement, she had a bedroom. And so they and they would ask her why the little girl was crying so much and she'd make up different excuses. So they did put a monitor in there so they could see what was going on, and they used the cell phones so that they can, you know, record it off the cell phone from the monitor, and they seen her kicking the little girl in the head and they called the police and turned the cell phone over to the police so they could see what she had done to her little girl. And then since the supposedly victim was put in jail for this, she knew she was in a lot of trouble, so she turned the whole story around making them think that Jordie and Jess had made her do all this and that wasn't true. They turned over the cell phone so they could see what she was doing.
[Morgan:] Who was taking her money that she was getting for her disability?
[Becky:] She was giving them a couple of hundred dollars a month for staying there and she was getting her own food. They weren't being starved. She was going and buying what she wanted from the store. She was even taken to the grocery store to buy what she wanted.
[Morgan:] Have you spoken to your son Jordie about this since he was charged?
[Becky:] Yes.
[Morgan:] And what does he say?
[Becky:] He's devastated that all this is being said about them. You know, and then they are making it like OK, they have some pit bulls and snakes so they are making them out to be evil because they have that. A lot of people have them. He loves reptiles. He always has since he was a kid. I mean, they have them in zoos and stuff, you know, what you know, there is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean
[Morgan:] You say that you you have had this woman and her daughter at your house in the last two years several times, is that right?
[Becky:] Yes, yes, I have.
[Morgan:] And she gave no suggestion to you that she was being held captive or being abused in any way?
[Becky:] No. No.
[Morgan:] Did you have any way of did you have any way of proving that she was at your house?
[Becky:] Yes, I do.
[Morgan:] How would you prove it?
[Becky:] I've got plenty of pictures proving it.
[Morgan:] Of this woman in the last two years inside your property?
[Becky:] Yes.
[Morgan:] So you believe that your son and the other suspects who have been charged are being framed and that this woman herself has been guilty of abusing her child, is that your position?
[Becky:] Yes.
[Morgan:] Why I come back again just one more time but why would the police do this? It doesn't make much sense to me that the police would simply believe her word against three other people if, as you say, there has been absolutely no abuse whatsoever?
[Becky:] Well, you know, this is a little town of Ashland, and they do know Jordie and they know Jess and they are just trying to make a big case out of what Shannon did. I mean, Shannon already the supposedly victim had already admitted to it and they already charged her for it and only gave her 150 days in jail, and let her go. And then they are trying to frame Jordie and Jess for the whole incident when they already proved and Shannon already admitted she is doing this to her daughter.
[Morgan:] Well, Becky, I appreciate you calling in. It's a fascinating story. It's an extraordinary twist if what you say has any credence. We'll obviously go back to the authorities who made these charges against these men and presume that the truth will out the further this investigation goes on. Thank you for joining me.
[Becky:] Thank you. Bye.
[Morgan:] Extraordinary tale. Now I want to turn to another extraordinary take which you just have to see to believe really. Take a look at this. That's 14-year-old Jared Marcum wearing an NRA T-shirt, the same shirt that he wore to Logan Middle School in Logan, West Virginia, back in April. School officials asked him to change the T-shirt. Jared refused and things escalated to the point where police were called. Jared was charged with obstructing an officer and if convicted could face a year in jail and a $500 fine. Well, joining me exclusive is Allen Lardieri, he's Jared's father, also Jared's lawyer Ben White. Welcome to you both, gentlemen. Let me start with you, if I may, Mr. Lardieri. This is your son, he's 14. You're both members I believe of the NRA and he has worn this T-shirt to school. Did you at any point think that this T-shirt would breech any of the school's regulations?
[Allen Lardieri, Son Arrested After Wearing Nra T-shirt:] No, because we knew that there wouldn't be an issue, you know, especially and particularly here in southern West Virginia where we're primarily I mean, basically we are a gun culture here. Even the kids in November, they get a two-week vacation just because of hunting season and itself. So that sort of thought really doesn't cross anybody's mind, not in this particular region. Maybe in some other places but it never really crossed our mind here.
[Morgan:] So what was your reaction when he when he was arrested by police? We should make it clear. He wasn't arrested for wearing the T-shirt, he was arrested because of an altercation with police who who were brought to the school because a teacher had protested in seeing your son wearing this shirt in, I believe, his lunch break.
[Lardieri:] Yes, I've come to find out, I was at work when I was informed, and I was like I said here, you hear these stories going on and no matter where it happens, it's always it's always a shame that it happens but here to have that happen was a shock. Like I said, I was at work. I got the phone call, and I made it to the station, and that's pretty much where I linked up with him and my wife.
[Morgan:] Let's play a clip from an interview that your son gave. This is just a brief summary of what he said.
[Jared Marcum, 14-year-old Student:] There's nothing wrong with it, and it doesn't violate the policy in any way, and things got out of hand. Educational process is not lunchtime in my opinion and if anyone disturbed it, it was definitely the educator and not me.
[Morgan:] That was Jared there. He's 14 and wearing the shirt. Let me go to Ben White now. You're the attorney for the family. It's a fascinating case. I mean people know my view about gun control but that doesn't extend to a blanket hatred of all things NRA. I have a problem with the NRA leadership and the rhetoric they use and I don't like the way that they're exploiting gun manufacturers. And I know that you're both aware of my position on that but you still come on the show because my view about this is he's entitled to freedom of expression, freedom of speech. If he also wear a T-shirt supporting the fact he's a member of a perfectly legal organization, I don't really have a problem with that. Why, Ben White, do you think the school or does the school it's an interesting question. Is it just a rogue teacher or does the school have a real problem? Because he went back and wore it again after his suspension ended.
[Ben White, Lawyer For Teen Arrested For Wearing Nra T-shirt:] Absolutely he wore the shirt again and, Piers, 100 additional students wore that same shirt throughout the entire school system, grade schools, middle schools and the various high schools in the county without incident. I did meet with the local attorney for the school board and we went through the policy ourselves with her, and they concluded that there wasn't an issue with the policy. The principal actually went through the policy with Jared after he was physically brought to the principal's office and she learned that there wasn't anything wrong with that shirt under the current policy. The teacher just clearly didn't understand the policy and I've advocated through the bored through the attorney the teachers that are going to enforce these rules should understand the rules at least read the rules and the regulations to understand what they're trying to enforce on these little kids. These are 5th, 6th, 7th and eighth- graders and to come as a student.
[Morgan:] And I've read the I've read the policy quite carefully. There is one reference to not wearing anything which has imagery of violence. And you could argue a gun in itself is always an image of potential violence. I mean, you could take that position. Let me ask you
[White:] You could take that. I mean, my view is not. I mean, this was clearly a hunting rifle, and it was an NRA branded T-shirt. Jared is an avid hunter, so is his father.
[Morgan:] Right. But I think you're missing my point. Ben, you're missing my point. I'm not disputing
[White:] I'm
[Morgan:] I wasn't disputing the fact it may be for hunting, but even hunting is a violent sport. A gun that goes off is a violent thing. And I suppose you could argue if you were playing devil's advocate here that the fact the school had a policy of no violent imagery could extend to a gun used for hunting.
[White:] It could, but it doesn't. It clearly doesn't. We've gotten the input from everybody from the principal up to their attorney, and it doesn't in this case, Piers. I mean, we could argue that. We could argue a lot of things, but it clearly doesn't. And the proof in the pudding per se is when 100 other students wore the same shirt, there was no incident. In fact, my six-year-old wore the same shirt kind of as a joke, and there was no incident anywhere. Not even with the little kids, the high school kids. So, if it violated the policy or if anybody believed that would be an argument, we would have heard of that clearly by now, and we haven't.
[Morgan:] Okay. Adam, final question for you. Having said that I respect the right of NRA members, including your son to wear T-shirts to support the organization that they are a legal member of and I do there is a different point, which is I guess, a more sensitive point, really. Which is in light of the fact of the massacre at Sandy Hook. Is it really judicious for any school child to go to school wearing any kind of T-shirt which has any kind of gun imagery? Would it not be best to have the debate about gun control and guns and the NRA out of school classrooms and school playgrounds?
[Lardieri:] Well, you may have an argument there in certain places, Piers. But again, back in the particular area that we have, the imagery of firearms is certainly nothing that is usually perceived as being menacing. You'd also want to look in front of the school. There's a large statue that firearms are not an evil thing because it's a World War I Doe Boy with a fixed bayonet on an '03 Springfield rifle who is shown quite proudly right in front of the school. And additionally, our own state flag has two rifles on it, as well. You know, the firearm is merely an implement. It's a tool how it is used, you know, perceives is it a weapon or is it an implement to feed your family? That's done on an individual basis. You've got to keep in mind, these sort of horrendous acts are done by individuals, and I just see more and more people are prone to legislation that removes the human element out of it. They want to blame an inanimate object instead of put in personal human accountability in everything.
[Morgan:] Well, you make some points there. I don't agree with all of them, but I respect the fact you have come on the show knowing my position on these things. And it's an interesting argument. To you, Allan Ladieri and to Ben White, thank you both very much.
[Ladieri:] Thank you, sir.
[White:] Thank you.
[Morgan:] When we come back, the government says more than 50 terror plots have been foiled by surveillance. But does that mean that leaks make you less safe? I'll talk to Glenn Greenwald and the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg.

[Berman:] So remember what Barbara Bush said recently about having more Bushes in public office? That maybe it's time for other families to step up?
[Barbara Bush, Former First Lady:] And if we can't find more than two or three families to run for high office, that's silly. I think the Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes, there's just more family than that.
[Pereira:] Well, apparently, one of her grandson is not listening. George P. Bush, Jeb's son, is running for Texas land commissioner. He has own big bus and everything. Now, given how much land Texas has, winning that office could very well set the stage for another Bush, another George Bush, in fact, in national politics.
[Berman:] Allan Lichtman is an author and history professor, at American University. And Allan, of course there was that famous quote in the first race that Ted Kennedy ran for Senate when his brother was president. His opponent said, "If your name was Edward Moore, not Edward Kennedy, your candidacy would be a joke." Now, we're not saying that George P. Kennedy or Joe Kennedy III up in Massachusetts that they're not accomplished in their own right. But it's fair to say it's hard to imagine them being in the position they're in if they didn't have the names that they had.
[Allan Lichtman, History Professor:] You are absolutely right. Though, as we know, Edward Kennedy went on to become one of the greatest senators in the history of the country. So this can cut both ways. He wouldn't have been elected had he not been a Kennedy, but if that had been case, the country would have been greatly deprived. Look, we don't have an aristocracy in America. But we in fact do have an aristocracy in America, as you know. It's people who are well connected politically, who are wealthy, who have name recognition, who have the resources to run for office. You know, there's a quotation Joe Kennedy, the father, once said, "With the money I'm spending, I could elect my chauffeur."
[Pereira:] So Allan, let me ask you then, really though, given the name recognition factor, isn't that really our fault as much as it is theirs? Are we being lazy voters saying, "Oh, I recognize that Kennedy name on the ballot. I know they came from a political family. He'll do the job."
[Licthman:] I hate to dump on American voters, but I think you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, American voters are very lazy and, look, they tend to send the same kind of people back to office. Look at the Congress of the United States. It has approval ratings lower than Attila the Hun. And the American voter sends the same kind of people back to Congress. We need to be open to new kinds of people in politics, not just people from well-connected families or people with a lot of money. But where are the labor leaders? Where are the poets? Where are the artists? Where are the doctors? People who can enrich our politics, they're not there.
[Berman:] Where are the artists? That's what I want to see more of. I want to see more musicians in public office.
[Lichtman:] There you go.
[Berman:] Allan, one of the things about these families we talk about the Kennedys, we talk about the Bushes. There is a legacy of public service within these families. So these kids grow up talking about issues around the dinner table. They give or they grow up knowing that they want to give back. So there is that element of it there. I wonder though, if your goal is to get more families involved here, how do you do it? How do you get the musicians? Because really one of the only ways to break into politics is to have money.
[Lichtman:] That's right. There is only one answer to this, and unfortunately it will take either changing the Constitution or a very different Supreme Court, and that is complete public financing of campaigns and much tighter laws on lobbying and special interests. That's a pipe dream, of course, but that's the only way it is going to happen because our politics are now so money driven. To run even for a congressional seat in a competitive race, you need millions of dollars. To run state-wide races in even a medium-sized state, say, for U.S. Senate, you need tens of millions of dollars. Where do you get that? If you're a Bush, no problem.
[Pereira:] If you're a Clinton, no problem. But it's interesting, because we've both been going back and forth on this thing, when you see the fact that, you know, these people Chelsea Clinton, we just had her on screen a second ago. She was raised by these two bright people immersed in this, so there's obviously something that she could lend to it. But then on the flip side, if you don't, no fresh ideas. No fresh perspective. No artists in the White House.
[Berman:] I want that musician there.
[Pereira:] He does. He is looking for a rock star.
[Lichtman:] How about you two? How about you two?
[Berman:] Skeletons, man. Skeletons. Sorry. All right, Allan Lichtman, great to see you today. Thank you so much. You know, people used to ask me if my dad was Chris Berman at ESPN. And I'm like, no, my dad is Gary Berman. If my dad was Chris Berman, I might be anchoring at a different time slot.
[Pereira:] A totally different time slot. We're going to take a short break here at this hour. Ahead, though, first, we had of course NSA spying controversy. Now the Department Homeland Security, they want to keep a closer eye on your car. Is this smart law enforcement or is it government stalking?

[Banfield:] More now on the firestorm surrounding a sports figure and perhaps an ill considered set of comments on a pretty sensitive topic. Guess what, I'm not talking about Donald Sterling right now. I'm talking about Don Jones, not the older man, the younger man. And by the way, that's not Don Jones either. But he's a safety for NFL's Miami Dolphins. And he's been fined and suspended for his reaction to a pivotal event in pro-football history. You probably heard or seen something about this. On Saturday, the University of Missouri's Michael Sam and there's Michael Sam he became the first openly gay NFL draftee, and smooch-a-roo. He was picked in the seventh round by the Saint Louis Rams, and the reaction might be the reaction anybody would do when you get to achieve your lifelong dream. You kiss the one you love. Just turns out that the one he loved is a man. Watching Sam kiss his boyfriend, Mr. Jones tweeted this, "OMG! horrible." And then a retired Houston Texan, Derek Ward, went further. Ward tweeted in part, "For him to do that on national TV is disgusting, gay or not. Man, you got little kids looking. I can't believe ESPN allowed that to happen." So Jones has since apologized for his "OMG horrible" thing. Ward says, for his part, he's been getting death threats, and he says his kids have too. Wrong! Come on, people. I want to talk about all of this with retired NFL offensive lineman Doug Dawson who joins me from Houston. We're also joined by the host of CNN's "UNGUARDED" With Rachel Nichols. It's Rachel Nichols herself. The reaction to the tweets was swift. The NFL did not wait. They brought the hammer down.
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Host, Cnn's "unguarded":] The Miami Dolphins organization did, absolutely. And, look, this is their right. He can speak whatever he wants. But you know the expression, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here? They said, you can say whatever you want, but not as a member of our team, as a representative of our team. So they have suspended him. They've ordered him to get some counseling. And they have every right to do that, because let's face it. On that same Twitter account, Jones identifies himself as a member of the Miami Dolphins before he even says where he was born. The picture of him on that Twitter page is him in a Dolphins uniform. And let's face it, this is a team that has gotten itself into trouble in the past year. They had the Jonathan MartinRitchie Incognito scandal. They have been known for insensitivity and intolerance. They do not want to be the face of homophobia in the NFL, and they took a quick action to put a stop to it.
[Banfield:] And it's just fascinating how quickly it happened and what it says about teams today since this is such a watershed moment. Doug, weigh in on this as a player, with your history. Do you see this having played out the same way when you were playing professional ball? How have things changed? And what's the same?
[Doug Dawson, Former Nfl Offensive Lineman:] Well, I think the Miami Dolphins, like any great organization, are trying to create an environment that is inclusive and attractive for all high-performing employees, whether it's an athlete or another organization that just wants a great work environment for everybody. And so when I played in college and in the pros, I played with a couple of gay athletes, and for the most part, none of us really cared. All we really cared about was if they could help our team. All we cared about was how well they could compete and what kind of teammates they were, and we didn't really care if they were black, white, green, you know, what their sexual preference were, as long as they were a good teammate.
[Banfield:] So when you say creating an environment, that sort of just stuck out to me, that they're trying to create an environment. Do they have to, Doug, create the environment, or does the environment of acceptance exist in professional sports, but it's more like a don't ask, don't tell? I'm fine with the way you are. Just don't tweet it out.
[Dawson:] I think that with athletes, you know, forever, that's where nobody really cares what your personal life is like, as long as you're willing to, you know, play well on Sundays and compete. So I don't think for the most part athletes care. I don't think most people are really worried about it. I think they just want you to be a good teammate and come and work hard and play hard. So I think the environment, at least the guys that I played with and the guys that and my teammates, none of us really worried about things like that.
[Banfield:] Well, and money talks, too, because, Rachel, the news is breaking this morning that even though this young man was a, what, 249th pick, his rookie jersey sales are behind only Johnny Football's, OK.
[Nichols:] Yes.
[Dawson:] Oh, wow.
[Banfield:] And he's ahead of the number one draft pick, Jadeveon Clowney. So did that just does that put rest to all of this?
[Nichols:] Well, I mean, look, you had Jason Collins in the NBA. The week he came out not he came out, but the week he rejoined the NBA and joined the Brooklyn Nets, his jersey was ranked number one over LeBron James, over all the other stars in the NBA. And it shows that people are excited about this. You have 2,000 player in the NFL. You are never going to get all of them to think the same thing about anything.
[Banfield:] Yes.
[Nichols:] But I think we have seen there has been overwhelming support for Michael Sam. And he went to an organization that's a great fit for him.
[Banfield:] Right.
[Nichols:] Remember, that's where he played his college ball is Missouri.
[Banfield:] Can I just say this as well? Look, a lot of people tweeted out, what happened to free speech, what happened to the, you know, First Amendment? That stops you from going to jail and for the government coming after you. You can say whatever you want and then other people can weigh in and say what they want, financially, they can tweet whatever they want about you as well. And by the way, for anybody who put out a death threat to someone's children because of their reaction, please, come on, give it a rest. Cut it out.
[Nichols:] Well, the free speech argument is kind of what we've been saying about Donald Sterling, right?
[Banfield:] You just can't say, I'm going to kill your children. That's not fair.
[Nichols:] No. No.
[Banfield:] There's free speech and there's fair speech. I'm just going to leave it at that. Rachel, great to have you. Thank you, as always.
[Nichols:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] And, Doug, very nice to speak with you. Thank you for your time and your input today as well.
[Dawson:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] Another big story that we're following, Oscar Pistorius, the Olympian on trial for murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend. Today the prosecutors are asking for a psychiatrist to enter the picture, a new one, to evaluate this Olympic athlete. Could this delay the trial for a month or more? And, by the way, why are the psychiatrists weighing in now? We're at trial. Doesn't this usually happen well in advance of this stage? What's going on over there?

[Burnett:] Breaking News, new American airstrikes against ISIS, nine today, in Syria three and in Iraq as the President Obama met with his top military advisers at the Pentagon to discuss the U.S. strategy against ISIS.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Our strikes continue alongside our partners. It remains a difficult mission as I indicated from the start. This is not something that is going to be solved overnight.
[Burnett:] So far, the total, at least 274 airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq, 125 in Syria. The cost of the now 61-day campaign, it has been 61 days everyone 7 million to 10 million bucks a day. And still ISIS is gaining ground. Jim Sciutto is OUTFRONT at the Pentagon.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] A U.S. B-1 bomber in the skies over Kobani a rescue that Kurdish fighters battling ISIS there have been desperately hoping for. Military commanders say coalition airstrikes, six in the last 24 hours, have helped push ISIS back. Today, Pentagon spokesperson, Admiral John Kirby, bluntly warned that the U.S.-led air campaign will not save Kobani or for that matter, any other number of Syrian towns under ISIS assault. [on camera]: Hearing the public in effect, for the fact that not just Kobani but other Syrian towns may fall over the long haul of this air campaign until you have those competent forces on the ground.
[Adm. John Kirby, Pentagon Spokesperson:] I think we should all be steeling ourselves for that eventuality. Yes.
[Sciutto:] The training, once it starts, say U.S. officials will likely take months more.
[Kirby:] There is a lot of work still left to do, which is why we were very honest about the length of time, three to five months until we can get through that process. That's before you even start doing any of the training.
[Sciutto:] Until then, the goal for U.S. and coalition airstrikes is not taking back territory, but destroying ISIS command and control, its heavy weapons and oil depots targets that Secretary of State John Kerry said in effect take precedence over protecting a besieged population.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] We are trying to deprive ISIL of the overall ability to wage this, not just in Kobani, but throughout Syria and into Iraq.
[Sciutto:] In Iraq, where the U.S. does have partners on the ground and the Iraqi and Kurdish security forces, U.S. officials say that territory does matter, and they claim victories in retaking the Mosul dam, the Haditha dam, and protecting Irbil and Baghdad from other ISIS advances. Still, the map of ISIS-controlled territory in Iraq looks much the same today, 61 days into the air campaign, as it did before the bombing started. Of the nine strikes in Syria, we've just heard about eight of those were around Kobani. U.S. commanders say they are watching closely, that those Kurdish fighters are holding ground there. But, you know, as the president visited the Pentagon today to speak with his military commanders about ISIS and other, former President Jimmy Carter took aim at the president's strategy. He said that the president, in Carter's words, quote, "took too long to confront ISIS." That, Erin, and, of course, criticism that's come from within his own administration, from members of his own administration, including his former defense secretary and CIA chief, Leon Panetta.
[Burnett:] Yes, absolutely, and now a former president. Thank you very much, Jim Sciutto. And joining me now is Republican Buck McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Chairman McKeon, you just heard what Jimmy Carter said, that President Obama, quote, "waited too long to go after ISIS." You know, Bill Clinton two weeks ago told me he supports the president. General Stanley McChrystal told me, this is the time to support the commander- in-chief, and no plan is perfect. But that is what is best of the might and greatness of the United States right now. Who do you agree with?
[Rep. Buck Mckeon , California:] Well, they are both right. The problem is it's not what he should have done. We're past that. Now, we need to talk about what he should be doing now. Two months into this air attack, it's obviously not working. The strategy is not working. ISIL continues to get stronger on a day by day basis. Kobani is about to fall. That's right on the border with Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO. This could draw into a much, much bigger war. The longer we wait, the harder it's going to get. Our military commanders, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Dempsey, and chairman of the Army, General Odierno, General Austin, the area commander, they have all laid out scenarios where we need more troops. If we don't put boots on the ground, we can't form the coalition, we can't retake ground that needs to be taken and held.
[Burnett:] So, let me ask you, when you say don't wait any longer and you are talking about combat boots on the ground, are you then now saying there should be American combat boots in mass and that's what it should be?
[Mckeon:] No, I'm not saying that we need to have tens of thousands of troops. What I am saying is troops are necessary to call in the targets on the appropriate areas.
[Burnett:] How many I'm sorry to interrupt you, how many? Because they have a couple of thousand in there now. Now at the brigade level of the Iraqi army trying to help them. I mean, how many is enough?
[Mckeon:] If I were the commander-in-chief, I would suggest that he listen to his military leaders. They would give him the numbers that he should follow. I know that they've asked for more than they've been given. It is time that he'd follow their advice. I know he met with them today and then went to New York and is holding three fundraisers. You know, a couple of weeks ago I gave a speech and I said, it was it's good that he does indicate to the American people that this is really important, but his actions aren't showing that he really feels it's that important. I think what he needs to do is follow their advice and be true to the American people, be honest to them and tell them, this is going to take a big effort. It's worth the fight. But if we don't get engaged
[Burnett:] So, let me ask you, because obviously, publicly, the generals so far have said they have not yet asked for more troops. They said they would be honest if they wanted them but haven't asked yet for them. So, you are saying you know they have asked for more than they've gotten?
[Mckeon:] Well, let me just say, they are in a tough position. He is the commander-in-chief. They are not going to disclose what they privately tell him. I just think that we could be pretty confident that they have told him they need more than they've been given.
[Burnett:] OK. All right. That point then made loud and clear. But in terms of what the president should do, in terms of the boots on the ground, even so, what you are saying is not not a mass amount of troops. More troops but not tons, and that somebody, the president has said this, sounds like I know you have also agreed on this one point, that other countries need to be putting in the lion's share of troops. But when it comes to other countries it is a painful sound of silence. So, if it comes to a choice: lots of American troops or ISIS wins, what's the choice?
[Mckeon:] If it were me, and that was the only choice, I would put in the troops. That is what we have a military for. You know, the week after the president gave the speech and told how serious this threat was, he went to Atlanta and committed billions of dollars and 3,000 troops to go fight Ebola. They are not trained to do that. They are trained to meet and conquer an enemy. That's what they are trained to do. We keep cutting their resources. We cut a trillion dollars out of our national defense and ask them to do more and more. It doesn't make sense. The military has a purpose. They have a function, and it is to protect us against these threats. We should use them when we need to.
[Burnett:] All right. Chairman McKeon, thank you so much. I appreciate your time and it's always good to talk to you, sir.
[Mckeon:] Thank you. Thanks, Erin.
[Burnett:] And next OUTFRONT, the FBI aggressively following hundreds of leads, and a global manhunt for the militant seen in this ISIS video. Who is he and where is he from? Plus, CNN's Mike Rowe gave advice, take the reverse commute. He says following your passion isn't the way to go.

[Keilar:] Presidential politics now. Jeb Bush officially launches his campaign just over an hour from now and Hillary Clinton is campaigning in New Hampshire following her first big rally of her candidacy over the weekend. I want to bring in CNN's political director, David Chalian; and CNN political reporter, Sara Murray, to get more on this. We just got some excerpts from Bush's campaign kickoff. What are we expecting him to say?
[David Chalian, Cnn Political Director:] A couple of things. He's going to play up his Florida record. Job creation record in Florida. Certain credentials in the way he governed Florida. But we'll head a lot about what he's been saying for six months, he wants to run for this job joyfully, and we'll hear about that, about him running and showing his heart to the country.
[Keilar:] We have a graphic of part of his speech. It says, "I will campaign as I would serve, going to everywhere, speaking to everyone, keeping my word, facing the issues without flinching and staying true to what I believe. I will take nothing and no one for granted. I will run with heart. I will run to win." If that kind of sounds familiar except for the "I will run to win." Hillary Clinton has left that "I'm in it to win" behind but I see similarities, right?
[Sara Murray, Cnn Political Reporter:] I think there are a lot of similarities between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush, actually. They are both struggling to explain to the public why they're running for president aside from their last name and then show a side of them people haven't seen before. Something behind his stiff buttoned-up candidate and we see that from Jeb Bush all the time. He says he's going show his heart. And that's important for him if he's going to come across as a different person than his brother and dad.
[Keilar:] There's one thing he can't do that Hillary Clinton can, that'emphasize let's listen to what we heard Hillary Clinton say on Saturday. Because unlike in 2008, she's really embracing it this time.
[Hillary Clinton, , Former Secretary Of State & Presidential Candidate:] Well, I may not be the youngest candidate in this race, but I will be the youngest woman president in the history of the United States.
[Keilar:] She's playing the card no Republican can play, that she's a woman.
[Chalian:] Carly Fiorina could play that.
[Keilar:] That's true, if she can get into even sort of the b and c tier. But she's also addressing age, which is key.
[Chalian:] Totally key. Early on, last year, you heard Republicans start to make a few rumblings about whether her age would be an issue. That seems to have gone away of late. I don't think they have chosen that path, sort of got her age, she's 67 years old and served as secretary of state. I don't think her age is going to be an issue.
[Keilar:] You don't think now, if it's Jeb maybe he's for the going to run an ages campaign against her. But Marco Rubio and Scott Walker she looks so much older than they do.
[Murray:] You don't say age. You say generational contrast. Marco Rubio is concerned saying, turning a new page, that's what we're hearing from Marco Rubio, which sounds less insulting than, hey, you're too old to run for president.
[Chalian:] It's exactly that. They want to make the case that fresh leadership is not necessarily about her age but it's been that she's been on the stage for two decades and they haven't been. That's the argument.
[Keilar:] And that's very interesting to me because when you look at polls, when you compare Hillary Clinton and then Jeb Bush who, political stage for so long and his family has been as well, they both have this dynamic argument against them, you have polls that show voters believe she's the candidate of the future and they don't believe nearly as much that Jeb Bush is, right?
[Chalian:] So this, to me, is the most surprising poll we've seen all year. People in Hillary Clinton's world as well as the Republicans expected the country to say she is a candidate date of the past. This gets back to the gender thing. This is where I think being the first potential woman gets at her sort of at least neutralizing the each that she's a candidate of the past because she would be a historic candidate.
[Murray:] Just think about how much the gender politics have changed since then we've had Sheryl Sandberg, the lean in, and so many CEOs speaking out about what it is like to break the glass ceiling. She's sort of capitalizing on it and it's a shift from 2008.
[Keilar:] It is. It's an advantage. She's working that advantage whereas before she wasn't so sure that it was an advantage to her. Before I let you go, I want to talk about the logo. Jeb Bush's campaign logo is out. Jeb with an exclamation point. What is the logo? I have no idea. It's almost identical to the logo he used in his '98 run for Florida governor. Do we have that one? I think we might have that one.
[Chalian:] Or not.
[Keilar:] Or not. OK. So oh, there it is. We see it. Our monitors flickered for a moment. It's very similar. No Bush last name. That's not a coincidence.
[Chalian:] It's not a coincidence. We know that the "B" stands for Bush, even better in Spanish. It didn't work so well for Lamar Alexander. But listen, being a first having your first name out there, not associating the last name, it's a clear break from his family name.
[Keilar:] And we'll see if he can deliver on that exclamation point. Sara Murray, David Chalian, thank you. Good talking to you guys. Coming up, a flood a refugees fleeing ISIS in Syria. They're pouring into Turkey. We'll take you to a key border crossing.

[Blitzer:] You're looking at live pictures of the Hollywood Walk of Fame where fans are leaving flowers in memory of Robin Williams. Today authorities confirmed the actor and comedian committed suicide. But while this afternoon's news conference at times went into some very, very gruesome detail, it left some important questions still very much unanswered. Let's go live to CNN's Ted Rowlands, who's joining us from San Raphael, California, with the very latest. What are we learning, Ted?
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, the question we don't know, Wolf, is why? Why did Robin Williams take his own life? What we do know because of a preliminary report from the coroner, an autopsy was conducted this morning at 8 a.m. Pacific Time. We know that Robin Williams did take his own life, dying of asphyxiation by hanging. He was last seen by his wife, Susan, at 10:30 in the evening. She went to bed in one area, thinking that he was going to be going to bed a little later. She woke up the next morning and left the house at 10:30 a.m., thinking that Robin Williams was still asleep. It wasn't until his personal assistant, who was having trouble getting a hold of him, got into the room where he was. She's the one that found him. She's the one that called 911. We don't know if there was a suicide note. Investigators do not want to answer that question at this point. They say they are still investigating. They're waiting also on toxicology reports. They expect those to take two to five weeks. The bottom line is, though, no other evidence of any other conclusion than than Robin Williams took his own life by hanging himself.
[Blitzer:] What a terrible, terrible situation. What a terrible story this is. All right. Thanks very much, Ted Rowlands. Robin Williams was very open about his battles with alcohol, drugs and depression. As we're about to see, he mentioned it in a number of his routines and interviews over the years.
[Robin Williams, Comedian/actor:] Look at this thing. Look, Flipper. Right now, what are you doing? Oh, my God. Right now there's a sound man, going, "What are you doing?" Relax, relax, relax. You're a nice man. You won't hurt me.
[Johnny Carson, Former Talk Show:] No, no.
[Williams:] Do I perform sometimes in a manic cell? Yes. You like me! You really like me! Am I manic all the time? No. Do I get sad? Oh, yes. Does it hit me hard? Oh, yes.
[Diane Sawyer, Journalist:] Is there a sadness about these past two years, then?
[Williams:] Yes, there's a sadness. And then you have to go, but there's also there's also hope. Sadness, it's almost like, yes, you wish they hadn't happened, but they did. And the purpose is to make you different. And alcohol is especially dangerous for people like myself, alcoholics. Or I can say ethanol challenged. Whatever you want to call it. You get drunk, you go out to Indian food, you wake up in Bombay with a camel licking your
[Larry King, Former Cnn Host, "larry King Live":] You went through it?
[Williams:] Yes.
[King:] For what were you addicted?
[Williams:] I had a little problem with alcohol. It wouldn't be a problem if everybody had it. But it was the idea I was an alcoholic I was a drunk.
[King:] You were a drunk?
[Williams:] That's nice of you to say that.
[Sawyer:] To talk about it as caused by something. But-
[Williams:] It's not caused by anything; it's just there. It's latent. It waits. It lays in wait, and for the time when you think, I'm fine now. I'm OK. And then, beep. Then the next thing you know, it's not OK. Things are not going so well. Always good for me to come to Vegas after rehab. I love that.
[Billy Crystal, Comedian:] It's a good time for you.
[Williams:] Good time for me. It's like going to Colombia, you know. Where are you going for detox? Colombia. Just go take it easy in a 24-hour alcohol town. Get out of rehab, and you know, like getting out of Jenny Craig and let's go work at the Haagen-Dazs factory.
[King:] Now, do you think you've beaten it?
[Williams:] Oh Larry, it's always there. Have you beaten it? Yes, I kicked it. I'm fine. No, the idea is that you always have a little bit of fear. Like you have to just keep at it. You know, it's a day by day.
[Blitzer:] Robin Williams in his own words. At a news conference today, a coroner's office official said Robin Williams had been seeking help for depression. Let's discuss all of this with the psychologist, Jeff Gardere. Jeff, thanks very much for joining us. It sort of stand out to be, in July of this year, just a month ago, he was at a rehab facility in Minnesota, obviously trying to get some treatment. But all of a sudden, he goes ahead and hangs himself. Explain how this how this happens.
[Jeff Gardere, Psychologist:] Well, there are many different reasons why this could have happened. I'm sure we will find out more later. Especially as we get results of the toxicology report. It could be, quite frankly, that this was a person who was just plain tired. Sick and tired of being ill; of having an addiction; of being sick, physically. He had some physical issues that he was experiencing. But we can also look at perhaps side effects of anti-depressants. It was not compliant. So there are all sorts of issues going on. But this was someone, Wolf, who was profoundly sad, profoundly depressed, and even though he was very resilient, and had that manic energy and was so funny, that was a mask for what he was hiding.
[Blitzer:] Because you would think, Jeff, that someone who brought so much joy to the world, everyone who watched him, whether a serious role, in a movie, or stand-up comic, he really gave so many millions of millions of people pleasure. You would think that would make him not so depressed, if you will.
[Gardere:] Well, certainly, we gave him a lot of love. But that also enabled him, too. When we saw Billy Crystal, and Whoopi Goldberg sitting with him and he was talking about his addiction, all three of them laughed. And they laugh because it was a joke, and they felt it was something they had to do; and they felt perhaps he was on top of it and he was beating it. But in fact, it was something that he was struggling with every day. And when we give him that adulation then it just allows him to mask a lot of that depression that he's experiencing.
[Blitzer:] So he was masking that pain with humor. Is that what you're saying?
[Gardere:] That's what I'm saying. And also trying to work out a lot of his demons, as many comedians do. That is their catharsis. That is their coping mechanism, using humor. But we found out a lot of these comedians still, like with the laugh factory, they are offered additional psychological care, because they convince themselves that, if they can step on stage and deliver the routine, do the movie, do the television show, then they're OK. They're on top of it. But as Robin said in his own words, he's not on top of it. It's something that you have to do every single day. You have to stay on top of that addiction and your depression.
[Blitzer:] In 2009, about five years ago, he had open heart surgery. I'm told and you know a lot more about this than I do that people who have open heart surgery, they can go through some major depression in the aftermath, as well.
[Gardere:] That's right. Because now they are really slowed down. Things change for them tremendously. They're facing their own mortality. So there is a period of very deep depression. Most of them make it through, but some see this as a call or signal that they're not the person that they once were. And imagine Robin Williams with all of that manic energy to come to the realization that he is a mere mortal.
[Blitzer:] Yes, when I saw him perform here in Washington, a few years ago, he spent a couple hours doing stand-up at George Washington University. Behind him he had bottles of water. He was drinking the water. He was sweating. He was giving us everything he had. It was such a powerful he made us all laugh. We were laughing so hard. But you could see this guy was driven to make us all enjoy what he was doing.
[Gardere:] And who knows, because he because perhaps he couldn't keep up that energy level any longer. Through the heart surgery. Through the depression, which was very deep that he was experiencing. That may have been what pushed him over the edge to do something as horrible as this.
[Blitzer:] All right. So very quickly, Jeff. The most important lesson viewers here in the United States and around the world watching us right now should draw from this, this shocking tragedy is?
[Gardere:] That a lot of people are saying that perhaps, you know, he did this and he was selfish in doing this. He wasn't selfish. He was in the throes of the depression. And people have to understand, depression is a mental illness. It's a brain illness. Having a substance abuse problem change is your brain. This person was extremely ill, and he made a decision in the middle of an illness.
[Blitzer:] Jeff Gardere, thanks very much. Important information for our viewers watching right now. This depression, it's a major, major illness, and you have to treat it. You can't just ignore it, despite some of the problems that are out there. Jeff Gardere, thanks, very, very much. The stigma of depression. Tonight, by the way, at 11:30 Eastern here on CNN, you can watch or DVR a special edition of CNN Spotlight, "Remembering Robin." And as we go to break, Robin Williams' poignant graduation speech from the 1996 movie "Jack."
[Williams:] In the end, none of us have very long on this earth. Life is fleeting. And if you're ever distressed, cast your eyes to the summer sky. And the stars strung across the velvety night. And when a shooting star streaks through the blackness turning night into day, make a wish. Think of me. Make your life spectacular. I know I did.

[Martin Savidge, Cnn Anchor:] You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Martin Savidge. It's great to be with you. Our attention tonight is on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The U.S. detention center there is still open nearly six years after President Obama signed an order to shut it down. But the number of people up there is shrinking. The Pentagon has now confirmed that four men were sent back to their home country of Afghanistan. That's in addition to six others who were released earlier this month. About 800 terror suspects in all have been held at Guantanamo connected to the U.S.-led war on terror. After this release, it will remain at 132. I want to bring in Robert Baer. He is a former CIA officer and CNN intelligence and security analyst. Bob, who are these men that have been sent back to Afghanistan this morning and what do we know about them?
[Robert Baer, Cnn Intelligence And Security Analyst:] Well, as you said, Marty, they're suspects. There's no evidence that they've killed Americans. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They may have connections with terrorist groups but it's not something that military prosecutors can prove and at this point there's absolutely no reason why we can't let them go. And they will go back and some of them almost certainly will join a terror group and eventually be caught again or proved to be terrorists and there's just nothing you can do about it. Just like the police when they arrest suspects that they can't bring a case against, they have to release them, they go on to commit another crime. I don't see any difference at all.
[Savidge:] Do you see or whose job will it be to try to keep track of these suspects? I presume somebody is going to try to keep tabs on them.
[Baer:] They'll end up on lists, you know, their biometrics, any indicia, digital indicia associated with them they'll keep track of them. They'll go back to Afghanistan, where who knows what's going to happen to them then. A lot of these people frankly will just go back to peaceful lives but, again, let's not get excited about this right now. Some of them will join terrorist groups.
[Savidge:] Now, we know that Congress has struck down the outright closure of Guantanamo in the new defense bill but that doesn't stop the release of more detainees. Can President Obama shut it down without Congress approving?
[Baer:] Well, I hope they shut it down. After all we are going to normalize relations with Cuba and I could see at one day that that base is at least jointly administered with Cuba, you know, if things go well. We have to come to a system, the world does, to deal with these jihadists a way to put them behind bars and, you know, put them out of the business.
[Savidge:] I wanted to ask you real quick, there is a report now, and I'm switching gears now to ISIS. ISIS barely has banned devices with GPS tracking. Smart move on their part? Belated? What do you think?
[Baer:] No. These guys are very good. You know, what surprised me about ISIS is they've gone to mobile wi-fi. I mean, they only go for a couple minutes. They have simply looked at the Snowden documents that were leaked and they have found a hole in our coverage. National security agency, you know, a lot of young kids from Europe and the United States are showing up there that understand their way around computers and communication system. They're getting better and it's really a tough catch-up game for the national security agency.
[Savidge:] Yes. I think many people have been impressed with sophistication. Even when it comes to just the video presentation. Bob Baer, thanks very much. We always look forward to your insights. Moving to North Korea, moving on that is, the state-run news agency there today blasted what it called America's childish investigation. That concluded North Koreans were behind that Sony computer hacking. Hackers broke into Sony servers and they even threatened to attack movie theaters that screened "The Interview," that's a comedy film about an assassination plot on North Korea leader Kim Jong-un. The Guardians of Peace, the hackers accused of carrying out the attack issued a new message today taunting the FBI and congratulating the bureau for its investigation. Experts say the hacking required a high level of technical knowledge and North Korea may have had some help. Here's CNN's Brian Todd
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] The cyber forensic evidence all points to North Korea, according to the FBI. The computer code, algorithms, the IP addresses but that's not necessarily a clear path to Pyongyang.
[Scott Borg, U.s. Cyber Security Group:] It's all circumstantial evidence that can be faked.
[Todd:] Scott Borg's cyber security group monitors the skill levels of hackers across the globe. Despite North Korea's efforts to develop sophisticated army of hackers he says there were elements in the Sony attack that went beyond their skill level.
[Borg:] The biggest one is that they were able to carry on with activities inside Sony's network for so long without being spotted. Moving possibly terabytes of data without anyone noticing requires a lot of skill. Opening documents all over the place in order to download them and have no one notice requires quite a bit of skill.
[Todd:] And they just didn't have that even recently?
[Borg:] That's right. Earlier this year there was no sign of that level of skill.
[Todd:] Borg believes Kim Jong-un's regime may have outsourced at least some of the Sony hack but to whom?
[Borg:] I think the most likely, this was hacking talent that volunteered to help them or criminals that they hired. Or someone inside of Sony who provided them with all kinds of inside access.
[Todd:] U.S. investigators have evidence that hackers stole the computer credentials of a Sony system administrator to get inside access but could another government have helped North Korea? One analyst says another U.S. enemy may be involved.
[Unidentifed Female:] There are signs that suggest Iran may indeed have helped. Because they have worked together on missile development for many years because Iran has been a major client of North Korea weapons.
[Todd:] CNN reached out to Iranian officials about that. They didn't respond. The White House maintains North Korea acted alone.
[Barack Obama, U.s. President:] We've got no indication that North Korea was acting in conjunction with another country.
[Todd:] North Korea denies hacking Sony but if Pyongyang pulled this without any outside help it would be the greatest success for their shadowy hacking group called Bureau 121.
[Unidentifed Male:] Frankly, North Korea probably doesn't need the help. They've been investing in their own cyber capabilities for the last four or five years very heavily and they've had a couple of trial runs with attacks on South Korean media and banks.
[Todd:] And one analyst points to a key reason why other governments may not have helped North Korea with the Sony hack. He said most governments wouldn't be foolish enough to hand any kind of attack tools to North Korea given their erratic behavior. Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.
[Savidge:] Not everyone loves the decision to bring Cuba and the United States closer. Some people have committed heinous crimes and when they go to the safe haven, they caught the first flight to Havana. So should Cuba turn them over to us? We'll talk about that, just ahead.

[Berman:] Tonight a "360 Follow" that we are very happy to bring you. Recently, we told you the story of Candice Anderson, a young woman from Texas who was been racked with guilt for the past decade believing she was responsible for her boyfriend's death in 2004. He was killed when her car crashed into a tree. Miss Anderson ended up pleading guilty to criminal negligent homicide making her a convicted felon. This year though, GM recalled Miss Anderson's car and millions more for an ignition switch defect that so far has been tied to 38 deaths with the number expected to rise. It came out that GM knew about the defect years earlier when Anderson was pleading guilty but didn't tell her. Now, after our first report, a judge agreed to hear her appeal and now her conviction has been overturned, her record cleared. Poppy Harlow has the latest.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] Do you feel free now?
[Candice Anderson:] I do. I feel like a big weight has been lifted off me. I can walk to tell it.
[Harlow:] After a decade of agony, Candice Anderson is finally free. [on camera]: People in this town called you a murderer for a decade.
[Anderson:] Mm-hmm. It's a hard thing to get past.
[Harlow:] Free from living a nightmare.
[Anderson:] I feel like I was robbed from a part of my life, in ten year and ten years is a decade. It's a long time. I feel robbed of part of my youth, where things were supposed to be fun and making memories, you know, having a good friend to share it with. I just feel like I was robbed of that.
[Harlow:] It started with a fatal car crash. Candice was behind the wheel when her brand new Saturn Ion slammed into a tree on this East Texas country road in 2004.
[Anderson:] This one right here.
[Harlow:] This is the tree you hit. [voice over]: Her boyfriend Michael Erickson was in the passenger seat. He was Candice's first love.
[Anderson:] I was through the windshield on the head of the car and then his face was face down in my lap.
[Harlow:] The father of two young girls, Michael was instantly killed. Candice still bears the scars of that day. Her liver lacerated and nearly all of her ribs broken. [on camera]: Do you ever have moments when you think, why did I survive?
[Anderson:] Oh, yeah. I felt that way the whole ten years.
[Harlow:] The police report says neither Candice nor Michael was wearing a seat belt. The airbags did not deploy. After the crash, Xanax was found in Candice's system. She was not prescribed the drug but said she took one pill the night before.
[Anderson:] Do I think I was intoxicated that day? No, I wasn't intoxicated.
[Harlow:] But she was indicted on a felony charge of intoxication manslaughter. She pleaded guilty to criminal negligent homicide and was sentenced to five years-probation and fine. She lived each day as a felon. [on camera]: You could have gone to jail for 20 years.
[Anderson:] I don't think about that all the time. I really do.
[Harlow:] But there is now proof that for a decade, General Motors knew about a deadly defect in Candice's car and millions more, but kept it a secret. Faulty ignition switches causing the engine to stop suddenly while driving disabling the air bags and as Candice was prosecuted, GM did nothing to help her. In fact, in 2007, the same year Candice pleaded guilty, GM did their own internal investigation of her crash calling it unusual and noted the airbags should have deployed.
[Anderson:] I'm fighting for my justice. I want vindication. I want them to say, you know, I want people to know that it was the car and it wasn't me.
[Harlow:] In this courthouse, the same one where she pleaded guilty to criminal negligent homicide, Candice Anderson, finally got her justice. The judge placing the blame squarely on General Motors. Writing in the court opinion, "While Miss Anderson pled guilty to a crime for which she was not at fault, GM had evidence that would have demonstrated her actual innocence and identified the true culprit and cause of the accident, General Motors." Candice's conviction overturned, she is now acquitted of any fault in the crash that killed Michael. [on camera]: What would Michael say?
[Anderson:] I pictured him rooting us, you know, in the courtroom and just, you know, it's a good feeling to think that he's, you know, had a lot to do with this. [voice over]: GM would not comment on the judge's opinion but for the first time in this letter to Candice's attorney, General Motors admits it may be to blame, writing "GM has determined that the crash involving Miss Anderson is one, in which the recall condition may have caused or contributed to the frontal air bag non-deployment in the accident." [on camera]: Is it enough? No, I don't think it's enough. You know, I think they should have been there that day to support me, to put in some words before the judge also. I really do.
[Harlow:] Have you directly, Candice, heard from General Motors?
[Anderson:] Never. And at this point, at this point I don't think I ever will.
[Harlow:] So why didn't GM reach out to Candice Anderson when it investigated her crash years ago? We asked GM CEO Mary Barra. [on camera]: Why didn't GM ever reached out to here?
[Mary Barra, Gm Ceo:] She looked at Valukas reports documents that there were there were opportunities where in this specific situation, a series of mistakes were made over a long period of time and that's why we've taken some of the extraordinary steps.
[Harlow:] Do you think, looking back, do you think someone at GM should have, when they saw this happen and there was an internal investigation, reached out to Candice Anderson?
[Barra:] Again, Poppy as you look across this, we have you know, making the right changes that we need to make with the learnings that we've had from the Valukas report, we are working to make sure we're the industry leaders in safety as we've moved forward and we've taken steps to do the right thing.
[Harlow:] GM is fixing its defective cars and has apologized to victims and their families.
[Barra:] I am deeply sorry.
[Harlow:] When you come back to the crash site now being vindicated, knowing this wasn't your fault, what do you think?
[Anderson:] The guilt is definitely lifted. But what happened in the tragedy, of course, it's still there. The pain is still real.
[Harlow:] And nothing will bring Michael back. For the past ten years, Michael's mother, Rhonda, couldn't bring herself to lay a headstone for her son. Now she finally has.
[Rhonda Ericson, Son Killed In 2004 Saturn Ion Collision:] It was like the story of David and Goliath where we took a little slingshot and we threw a rock at a giant and we won. That's how I felt. That it was all worth it. And we weren't scared and we stood up and we got what we wanted.
[Harlow:] Vindication.
[Ericson:] Right.
[Harlow:] Their fight may be over but the Department of Justice investigation into General Motors continues.
[Anderson:] There's someone within General Motors that should be held responsible.
[Harlow:] Are you saying that you think individuals at General Motors should stand trial?
[Anderson:] Yeah. I do. They didn't have a problem sitting by while I was charged. Convicted.
[Berman:] What a story. Poppy Harlow joins us right now. And Poppy, this is really unbelievable. Given all of this, is Candice going to sue General Motors?
[Harlow:] She's not. And that is one of the hardest decisions of her life, John. She can't. Candice and Rhonda, Michael's mother, accepted their kept in money, a payment from GM's victim compensation fund but in order for them to do that, they have to give up their right to ever sue General Motors over this crash in the future. And I asked Candice about that, I said how hard was that for you and she said it was gut-wrenching, but I had to move on. It's been a decade. She has a 4 year old and a 6-year-old girl and she wants to move on. She's going to use the money to get through nursing school and for her kids. But yeah, she will never be able to sue General Motors over this, but she does now have her entire life in front of her.
[Berman:] I am sure speaking to you helped in that process of moving on. Poppy Harlow, thank you so much. Great work.
[Harlow:] Thanks.
[Berman:] Just ahead for us, the discovery of the largest and most complete t-rex skeleton ever found and the battle over it. A really great preview of CNN film "Dinosaur 13" next.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln:] Tonight, police say a naked Twister sex party with teenagers was hosted by a former Mormon Sunday schoolteacher who happened to party with them. Now she has lost custody of her five children and is facing charges. Plus, the dementia sex case takes a new turn. Will a husband be sent to prison for having had sex with his own wife? Let`s get started with the most tweeted story of the night, promising young attorney shot dead by his on again-off again girlfriend. Her attorney says this 911 call proves it was self-defense. They both reach for the gun. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Female:] Thank you for calling 911. Ma`am, I killed my boyfriend in self-defense. What did you kill him with? A gun, a loaded gun in the house. Have you been injured? I`m not injured, ma`am. I was thrown into the side of the couch. Where are you? I`m standing about ten feet away from his dead body. Are you sure that he`s dead? He`s dead, ma`am. He`s completely dead. Ma`am, his body was twitching and I knew he was going to die anyway and he was making funny noises so I shot him a couple more to kill him because I knew he would have been. I`m sorry, you said you shot him a couple more times after that? Yes. How many times did you shoot him total? I don`t know. So you shot him instead of calling 911? What?
[Pinsky:] Joining us, Sam shocker, Poptrigger@hulu.com, Danine Mannette, criminal investigator, author of "Ultimate betrayal" and Anahita Sedaghattar, defense attorney, legal counsel to the Cochrane firm. Shayna Huber killed Ryan Postin with six bullets, two shots to the head, two shots to the chest, one arm, one in the back. Danine, this is one of the craziest stories I`ve ever seen. Strangely, this one bothers me more at the outset than Jodi did.
[Danine Mannette, Criminal Investigator:] It`s so interesting that she is really trying to put this self defence thing out there. I mean that is such a joke to me. When you have a self-defense argument or a stance, you have to use reasonable force with what was presented towards you. Like if someone spits on you, you can`t like stab them or if someone throws a book at you, you can`t cut them up with an axe. So if this guy really did push her and then she gets up and fires six shots at him, two in the head
[Pinsky:] Wait, Anahita, you`re actually shaking your head at what Danine
[Unidentified Female:] What?
[Pinsky:] Are you saying that if somebody spits in your direction, you can go ahead and chop their head off?
[Anahita Sedaghattar, Defense Attorney:] That`s not what I`m saying, but I`m taking issue, Dr. Drew, with the fact there are all these comparisons between this case and the Jodi arias case. This isn`t Jodi Arias part two. In fact, I think there are so many differences between the two cases. First and foremost this girl called 911 shortly after the killing and confessed.
[Pinsky:] Confessed or tried to build her case. She called her mother first.
[Sedaghattar:] Look at some of the other evidence. She didn`t try to clean up the crime scene. She didn`t try to get rid of the gun. And her story, Dr. Drew, has been consistent from day one. Unlike Jodi who I think her story changed three, four, five times. First it was ninjas, then it was some armed masked men. I mean I think a lot of these factors actually work in her favor. This is not going to be Jodi Arias part two.
[Pinsky:] Sam?
[Sam Schacher, Host "pop Trigger":] Yes, because probably she learned a thing or two from watching the Jodi Arias trial.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Schacher:] You don`t wait 10 to 15 minutes to call 911. You don`t call your mom first. Not only that the evidence on that crime scene in the living room does not corroborate with the story that she told the 911 operator. The police chief testified. He said it didn`t look like that there was any signs of her being slammed into the couch. She didn`t have any injuries. The living room looked like it was in place. I don`t buy her story at all.
[Pinsky:] And the victim`s neighbors testified they heard all six gunshots and, "something hit the knorr. It sounded like somebody`s body." Shayna, whom you`re seeing there, talked about the neighbors in her police interrogation. Take a listen.
[Shayna Hubers:] I`m scared because I know what happened.
[Unidentifed Male:] Right.
[Hubers:] I have no witnesses. The back door was open. I don`t know what the neighbors heard. They saw him throw me. They`re going to say yes, I saw him throw her on the ground.
[Pinsky:] So, Anahita, she`s convinced the neighbors are going to come to her defense and corroborate her point of view. But apparently, on the stand, they did not. They heard crying but never saw any fighting.
[Sedaghattar:] Dr. Drew, how many times have I come on up show and said that you should not speak to the police without an attorney unless you have an attorney present especially when you are being accused of murder?
[Pinsky:] Is she not a nightmare case?
[Sedaghattar:] It`s a nightmare case and those words are going to be used against her. But I don`t think that police interrogation tape is damning. I`m sorry I think it can help her.
[Pinsky:] Well, her attorney argues that the witness testimony does back the self defense claim. Listen.
[David Mejia, Defense Attorney:] They heard two shots and then four shots in rapid succession, bang-bang, and then four more in rapid succession. They would have you believe that she shot from across the room in cold blood and came around and shot him as he lay on the floor.
[Pinsky:] Yes, but we heard her say on the tape, Danine, that she shot him and then shot him four more times because he was twitching.
[Mannette:] That is the problem that I have with this case. It`s like, OK, when you use self-defense, you use that to neutralize the threat. So those two first two shots neutralize the threat. OK. I`ll give her those, perhaps. But then she became Dr. Kevorkian. I mean, at what point does your self defense argument turn into an ability to execute euthanasia on somebody? That`s the problem.
[Pinsky:] Right. Wouldn`t Danine, back me up
[Mannette:] Those four shots are the problem.
[Pinsky:] Danine, would the average person, if they`re in let`s say they do something in self-defense even if they have sort of some awareness they`re doing it, they shoot and then go, "oh, my god, what have I done?" They run around and call 911 and do what they could to clean it up.
[Mannette:] She finishes him off.
[Pinsky:] Anahita, what do you mean it`s not true? I can`t imagine finishing somebody off.
[Sedaghattar:] Dr. Drew, you should know, there is no one way that somebody react in a traumatic situation. How can you say this is what an innocent person would do? You can`t.
[Pinsky:] No, I`m not saying innocent. I`m saying it`s bizarre that she would insist on finishing him off. I`ve never heard of such a thing.
[Sedaghattar:] No, that`s not true.
[Pinsky:] What?
[Sedaghattar:] It happens frequently in battered women cases. I`m not saying she`s a battered woman. If she is, if the evidence showed that she was an abused woman, I can tell you they stab, stab, stab, they shoot, shoot, shoot until the threat it abated in their mind.
[Pinsky:] Anahita, you`re just scaring the heck out of me. But I tell you what, I`m going to torture you some more with more of her interrogation tape. Take a look at this.
[Sedaghattar:] Let`s do it.
[Hubers:] He was dying. I shot him once and didn`t shoot again for a while, but I was watching him die. It was painful to watch him die a, and to know that I had done that. But I just walked around the table and shot him where I knew he would die immediately and fast.
[Pinsky:] All right, counselor, let me talk about
[Unidentified Female:] Wow.
[Pinsky:] Let me talk about this woman`s personality functioning and her thinking. So she she realizes she did this, so it`s painful to her to see him in that misery so she needs to put herself out of that pain by stopping him from twitching anymore. This is a really sick person. I`m sorry. If this is what happened, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, but if this is the way she thinks, this is a really severe borderline personality where everything is out there but it`s all her.
[Sedaghattar:] That helps the defense, doesn`t it, Dr. Drew? If you were the expert witness.
[Pinsky:] Yes, if you want to make some sort of mental health claim in this, OK.
[Sedaghattar:] I mean, you just said it. She seems borderline. If anything that`s a mitigating factor
[Pinsky:] All right. It`s a mitigating factor but it`s not an explanation. She should have gotten help for her borderline disorder. The
[Yasmin Vassoughian, Hln:] I`m Yasmin Vassoughian with "The Daily Share" at this house. At the top of your Google searches today, the gyro copter that landed on the west lawn of the U.S. Capitol Building. The pilot of the single person aircraft was arrested for flying into the restricted airspace and the capitol was immediately placed on lockdown as officers searched the machine for explosives. Now witnesses were startled by the flying contraption.
[Unidentified Female:] I saw out of nowhere a machine that looked like something from chitty-chitty bang-bang.
[Unidentifed Male:] It had big wings, propeller like a helicopter but it wasn`t a helicopter.
[Vassoughian:] Doug Hughes, a mailman from Florida, was protesting campaign finance reform.

[Blitzer:] Over the past few years, credit checks have become an important part of the employment process, and bad credit could be an important factor for some companies out there as they decide who to hire. Now the Massachusetts Democrat Senator Elizabeth Warren wants to put a stop to the practice. Brian Todd is joining us. Brian, you just finished speaking with Senator Warren. What exactly is she trying to stop and why?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, she's introduced a bill that would prevent potential employers from requiring potential employees, applicants to go thru the credit checks to get their job, and it would also prevent potential employers from rejecting an applicant because of a bad credit check. Senator Warren cites several factors in wanting to do this. One of them, she says there was a report this year from a left-leaning think tank, called Demos, that said one in 10 unemployed Americans have been denied a job due to the information on their credit reports. Senator Warren points out that a lot of the time, people have bad credit for reasons they can't control or are not their fault, they lose a job, they might lose heath insurance, they might have a family calamity, going through a divorce, things like that, where their credit, their finances get impacted and their credit becomes worse through factors they may not be able to control. I spoke to Senator Warren a short time ago when she talked about the bill.
[Sen. Elizabeth Warren, , Massachusetts:] There have been studies that show no correlation between your credit check no or little correlation between your credit check and your ability to do the job.
[Todd:] And Senator Warren is proposing an exemption for people who need clearance, some kind of security clearance to get their jobs. She's fine with them having to go through the credit checks but not people who have ordinary jobs who are maybe struggling with these problems that a lot of people go through. One thing we have to point out is there is opposition to this bill. We just spoke to someone from the National Federation of Independent Businesses. They represent a lot of small businesses. They say the credit checks are an important tool for potential employers for reasons that don't have much to do with people's finances. One of the people there said employers can tell whether you've lied about a job you had in your past, and they can tell through a credit check sometimes about a source of income or something like that, whether someone has lied about a job they had. They say these credit checks are an important screening tool, and they don't want this bill to go through.
[Blitzer:] What's the expectation? How likely is it the bill will become the law?
[Todd:] That's a little unclear. Senator Warren introduced the bill yesterday. We're told it does not have bipartisan support in the Senate yet, but this just got introduced so it's very early on in the process, Wolf. Not sure about the House side yet, either. There are some 40 organizations, though, advocacy groups for people seeking employment and things like that, and for others, that do support this bill. So there is a lot of support initially out there, outside of Congress. How it fares in Congress, that's another story.
[Blitzer:] Certainly is. All right, Brian. Thank you. As we told you earlier, the Obamas won't be attending the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, Russia, in February. Instead, some of the picks for the U.S. delegation seem to be a direct response to Russia's controversial anti-gay laws. The White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, just a few moments ago, that the choices are only meant to reflect the diversity of the United States. Joining us now is the former Olympic medal winning hockey player, Caitlin Cahow. Caitlin, thanks very much for joining us. I know you're opening gay. You'll be part of the opening delegation attending the ceremonies, the opening and closing ceremonies. What do you think? What is your initial reaction, for example, for having been selected by the president?
[Caitlin Cahow, Former Olympic Hockey Player:] Well, first off, Wolf, thanks for having me. It's an incredible thrill. It's a deep honor for me to represent my country. I did it at two Olympics and I'm just thrilled to even be considered as part of this great group of delegates. I can't wait to go to Russia and support Team USA and show the nation and the world what American athletes are capable of and what we stand for back home.
[Blitzer:] Clearly, you'll be sending a message to the people of Russia, especially those who support this anti-gay propaganda law that was recently enacted that has caused so much criticism around the world, right?
[Cahow:] Absolutely. I think that the president's decision to send the delegation he has is definitely a statement, albeit, a respectful one in many ways, allowing the athletes to take center stage and allowing the delegates to do their job and support them. At the same time, he is making a statement about what the United States will tolerate and the kind of rights that we espouse, and I think in addition to making statements in Russia, it's a great opportunity for us to put the mirror to our own faces back home and say we have come a long way. It's been remarked, but we have a lot more to do, and we'll take the enthusiasm and inspiration from the Olympic Games and bring it home and get back to work.
[Blitzer:] You were never among those who were calling for a boycott of the winter Olympic Games because of the anti-gay laws in Russia right now, right? You never supported any boycott?
[Cahow:] No, I didn't. In fact, in statements I made about this, likening the situation to Jesse Owens in Germany. He didn't go over with the view he was going to protest and make a scene. He went over and competed peacefully and won and demonstrated the greatness of who he was. I think the athletes headed to Sochi are there to do the best they can and compete and win and represent the country, and just show the greatness of American athletes.
[Blitzer:] Will you be making any statements, do you think, when you're in Russia during the winter Olympic Games? Supporting equal rights for gays and sending a direct message to the people of Russia or will you be mostly on the sidelines watching the games, ice hockey in particular, and the other sporting events?
[Cahow:] My number-one goal is to support the athletes, my teammates, all of Team USA, and to represent my country with dignity. If that means making a statement, then so be it, but my main goal is to go over and be as supportive as I can and be in Russia and have my presence there demonstrate that this sort of regulation won't be tolerated in the United States because we believe in dignity and equality. That's what we're sending over with our athletes, we're sending those values.
[Blitzer:] I know you suffered some concussions and you had some serious medical problems. How are you feeling right now, Caitlin?
[Cahow:] Actually, Wolf, to be honest, I sat a three-hour long constitutional law exam, so I'm doing OK, as OK as I'd could be. I've had a really tough road with concussions, with serious injury, something I do hope to speak about as part of this delegation, but I'm doing great and looking forward to a great experience in Russia.
[Blitzer:] How did you do in that? I know you're at Boston College Law School. You are a graduate of Harvard. How did you do on that constitutional law exam?
[Cahow:] I don't know. Maybe we can give a shout out to my professor. But it's blind grading, so I'm not sure it would help. I think I did pretty well. A lot of it was on the 14th Amendment, so I feel like I have been pretty well versed as of late in a lot of these issues.
[Blitzer:] We need another lawyer in the United States, as you well know, right?
[Cahow:] Yeah, so I've heard. So I've heard.
[Blitzer:] All right, Caitlin, thanks very much. I know you'll do an excellent job representing all of us in Sochi, in Russia. Enjoy the Winter Olympic Games and cheer on our team. We'll all be cheering from back here as well. Thanks so much for spending a few moments with us.
[Cahow:] Thank you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] A terrifying close call for a blind man and his service dog. Cecil Williams and his Labrador retriever fell on a set of subway tracks in New York right as a train was approaching. An alert MTA employee rushed over, told the man to lie still between the rails and not try to climb out. The conductor of the approaching train applied his brakes when he saw Williams, but couldn't avoid running over the tracks where Williams and his dog were lying. Rescue crews managed to pull out both of them. Neither were seriously hurt. Williams' girlfriend calls it all a miracle. Before we go, this quick reminder. We need your votes for the top stories of 2013. Go to CNN.comyir for "Year in Review." There, you'll see 20 of the biggest news stories of the past 12 months. We need you to choose 10. Results will be announced online and on TV on December 30th, 9:00 a.m. eastern. That's it for me. Thanks very much for watching. I'll see you at 5:00 p.m. in "The Situation Room." NEWSROOM continues right now with Brooke Baldwin.

[Costello:] This morning, we have word that the Clinton Foundation will conduct, quote, "a voluntary external review of tax returns" from 2010 through 2012 and expects to refile them due to grants being reported incorrectly. Foundation officials tell CNN that no overall revenue or expenses will change as a result, but that review comes as the Hillary Clinton for America campaign is once again slamming a book questioning foreign donations to the Foundation. New talking points from the campaign telling allies the accusations are, quote, "devoid of evidence". And now Chelsea Clinton is wading into the controversy, defending the charity's past actions.
[Chelsea Clinton, Vice Chairman, The Clinton Foundation:] So what the Clinton Foundation has said is that we will be even more transparent. I very much believe that that's the right policy, that we'll be even more transparent, that to eliminate any questions while we're in this time, we won't take new government funding, but that the work will continue as it is.
[Costello:] Senior Washington correspondent, Jeff Zeleny, joins me now from Washington with more on this. Good morning.
[Jeff Zeleny, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. You're right, it's the end of the second week of the campaign here but it's hardly how they expected to launch. What Chelsea Clinton was talking about there was these new rules that the Foundation is imposing on foreign government contributions, and this is coming in the wake of these new reports about whether any preferential treatment that was given to some companies who were giving money to the Foundation. And a lot of allegations here. So far there aren't any specific, concrete examples that any companies or foreign governments received special treatment, but so many questions about the donations. And you mentioned the review of those tax filings. That is because $2.35 million that were given to the Foundation, they were never disclosed by the Foundation as Secretary Clinton agreed to do when she became Secretary of State. So that is one of the key questions here that has to be answered. But as the campaign is pushing back, "The New York Times" has an editorial this morning saying that there are tough questions that need to be asked. And this is what they said. Let's take a look. They said, "The increasing scrutiny of the Foundation has raised several points that need to be addressed by Mrs. Clinton and the former president. These relate most importantly to the flow of multi- millions in donations from foreigners and others to the Foundation, how Mrs. Clinton dealt with the potential conflicts as Secretary of State, and how she intends to guard against such conflicts should she win the White House." So Carol, that is really the question here going forward. Will they answer anymore of these questions? And so far she hasn't talked about this hardly at all.
[Costello:] Jeff Zeleny, reporting live for us this morning. Thanks so much. I'll be right back.

[Acosta:] Demands are being made for a new investigation into the horrific mid-air explosion of a TWA jet that happened 17 years ago off the coast of Long Island, killing all 230 people onboard. Now a new documentary is fueling suspicions that a missile might have actually caused the crash. In the film, six retired members of the original investigative team break their silence and they challenge the NTSB's official finding that faulty wiring to a fuel tank was to blame.
[Unidentified Female:] What would your analysis have been?
[Unidentified Male:] The primary conclusion was the explosive forces came from outside the airplane. Not the center fuel tank. Would that statement have been in your analysis? If I got the right one.
[Robert Young, Twa Airline Accident Investigation Rep:] The agenda was that this is an accident. Make it so.
[Acosta:] The investigators won't speculate about the source of the explosion, but the documentary suggests that crucial evidence has been kept under wraps.
[Tom Stalcup, Co-producer, "twa Flight 800":] The family members need to know what happened to their loved ones. This investigation was no not one single eyewitness was allowed to testify. That's unheard of. You know, let the eyewitnesses speak publicly at a government hearing. Reopen the investigation and find out what really happened. And stop this facade that's been going on for too long.
[Acosta:] This has gotten a lot of people talking about this this week, so let's dig deeper into the crash investigation and the doubt surrounding it. CNN's Tom Foreman joins us now. Tom, there are some pretty startling claims being made in all of this that perhaps what we knew is not what we should have been told at the time.
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, pretty strong pushback against it because of the basic facts we've known for quite sometime. TWA Flight 800 took off at 8:20 on the evening of July 17th, 1996. It was still light out. The weather forecast for the flight to Paris called for smooth sailing, and for 12 minutes it was.
[Unidentified Male:] We just saw an explosion out here.
[Foreman:] Two other pilots were in the air and saw the explosion.
[Unidentified Male:] It blew up in the air and then we saw two fireball goes down into the water.
[Foreman:] Other eyewitnesses were on Long Island.
[Unidentified Male:] It looked like a mile in the sky of flame coming down, straight down. I thought it was coming from the ground up, because the flame looked like it was shooting from the ground up, if you know what I mean.
[Foreman:] Two hundred and thirty men, women and children were aboard Flight 800. Everyone died. People thought terrorism immediately. An alert went out to the FBI. The Navy sent state-of-the-art salvage ships. Investigators ended up recovering 97.5 percent of the plane. In a giant hangar, they actually actually put TWA 800 back together and reconstructed the plane's last seconds. Early on, they determined the center fuel tank blew up, causing the nose and first-class section of the jet to break off and fall away. Incredibly, the coach section kept flying for about 30 more seconds. Evidence pointed not to one explosion, but two, the second blast, half-a-minute after the first erupted when the left wing tore away from the back half of the plane, leaking fuel from the much larger wing tank until something touched off a spark. That, they say, is why people saw a line of flames shooting upward. Those eyewitness accounts of a trail of fire hit the Internet less than 36 hours after the explosion. People speculated it was a terrorist surface-to-air missile. Then, a document began circulating on the Web, taking the missile theory in a new direction. It said a U.S. Navy ship accidentally shot down Flight 800 and a cover-up reaching the highest levels of government was in play. It might have stayed an Internet conspiracy theory, had it not been for one man.
[Pierre Salinger, Former Abc News Correspondent:] It's a document that I got about five weeks ago from an intelligence agent of France.
[Foreman:] In March of 1997, Pierre Salinger, the former press secretary, former U.S. senator and network news correspondent, claimed to have verified the friendly-fire cover-up, specifically naming the USS Normandy as the ship that fired the missile. But there was a problem with his claim. Salinger's proof turned out to be the same unsubstantiated document that had been on the Internet for months. And investigators concluded the U.S. Normandy never fired any of its missiles and, even if it had, it was out of range. More than four years after that explosion, in August of 2000, the NTSB finally released its final report concluding that TWA Flight 800 was the victim of fundamental design problems with the engineering and wiring that cracked and lost its insulation, allowing high voltage into its center fuel tank full of highly explosive fumes. That remains the official story and one reason, Jim, people close to the investigation are pushing back so hard against this documentary suggesting otherwise.
[Acosta:] But it is a fascinating story and a subject to go back and take a look at. And those images from that documentary that you had in your piece of them reconstructing the plane, so many Americans remember that. And obviously these questions are being raised. They'd like to get to the bottom of it.
[Foreman:] Extraordinary work. But these questions that really have been raised numerous times since then. This is just the latest iteration of them.
[Acosta:] All right, Tom Foreman. Thank you. Coming up next, a bombing in New York's Times Square. It's a case that's gone cold, but there are new clues and investigators are asking the public for help.

[Tim Mcginty, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, Prosecutor:] We appreciate whatever sentence you deem appropriate. He took advantage of young and vulnerable children with a planned, prior calculated criminal acts
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you. Your honor, before proceeding, I would offer the binder of our marked exhibits that are in support of the plea agreement and I'll note that state's 18, the firearm, will be retained by the State of Ohio. Continuing objection to the introduction of the inappropriate material, your honor.
[Judge:] Thank you.
[Unidentified Male:] Judge, specifically, we object to state's exhibit 17, which is the actual full interrogation of Mr. Castro by the police officer. It is my understanding that the one thing that was being introduced at this hearing was going to be the synopsis that was presented by, I believe it was, Detective David Jacobs.
[Judge:] We met the other day about this, correct?
[Unidentified Male:] Yeah. And not the actual video itself.
[Mcginty:] That's not my understanding. I reached no agreement with anyone on that subject.
[Judge:] Do you have the synopsis in here?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes. I think we have If it's not in there, it should be.
[Judge:] Well, if you can provide the synopsis which you have read and is a less volatile version of events, that will be accepted by the court. I will return the DVD to you of the actual interview.
[Unidentified Male:] That's fine. Exhibit 11, your honor, is a three-page written statement of Mr. Castro; that represents a synopsis of the results of the second interview.
[Mcginty:] Your honor, the statement of Mr. Castro is in no way a synopsis of the more than a dozen hours of interrogation of Mr. Castro. That's Mr. Castro's I make you feel sorry for me statement.
[Judge:] Mr. McGinty, you seem to be operating under the impression that I don't know what this case is about.
[Mcginty:] I want the future reader of this record to know what it's about, Judge. Twenty years from now, this guy is setting up his appeals right now. Promise not to appeal, he'll appeal the minute he walks out the door.
[Judge:] I don't see the DVD in here. If you have it, keep it. If it is in here, you will have to take it out at the end because the DVD won't be going and you can substitute that...
[Unidentified Male:] Please leave it on the witness stand and I will retrieve it.
[Judge:] Thank you. All right, Mr.
[Unidentified Male:] Judge, I believe that Mr. Castro is prepared to make a statement. He is, your honor.
[Judge:] I just want to see if either of you had anything else to say.
[Unidentified Male:] No. No, thank you.
[Judge:] All right, so, Mr. Castro, earlier we spoke and you were aware you had a right to make a statement, either with respect to sentencing or by way of mitigation of punishment, so what would you like to say?
[Ariel Castro, Admitted Captor:] First of all, I'm very emotional person so I'm going to try to get it out. I stated before that I was a victim of sex acts when I was a child. This led me to view pornography my whole life and eventually after I held jobs because I always worked, and people trying to paint me as a monster, and I am not a monster. I was sick. My sexual problems were so bad in my mind that I am repulsive, but eventually I married and had four children, went on with life and I still practiced the art of touching myself. And I believe I am addicted to porn to the point that it makes me impulsive and I just don't realize what I am doing is wrong and I know it is not an excuse. I am not trying to make excuses here. I know. I am not contesting it. I have been a position, to be a monster like they say I am, I don't think I can handle it. I drove a school bus for 21 years. I did a very good job. Towards the end I started slacking off, trying to get fired because I know it was just too much. This job is too stressful and coming home to my situation and I just I never had a record until I left my children's mother. My son was on here the other day saying how abusive I was. He failed to say that at the end before she passed away that them two weren't even talking What I am trying to say is she is saying that I was wife beater, that is wrong. This happened because I couldn't get her to quiet down. The children are right there. Please. She responded I don't care. I don't care if the children are there. She would keep going and the situation would escalate and until the point where she would put her hands on me and that's how I react, by putting my hands on her. I know that's wrong. After 12 years we were separated and then I was single for about five years, and that time I continued to practice the art of masturbation and pornography and got so bad that like maybe two or three hours a day non-stop. When I would finish, I would collapse. I pick up the first victim, I wasn't I didn't even plan it. It wasn't something that trying to make look like I did. I went to family dollar and I heard her over saying something about she needed to get somewhere, and I reacted on that. When I got up that day, I did not say, oh, I am going to get up and try to find some women because it just wasn't my character. I know it is wrong, and I know I am not trying to make excuses her. I know I am 100 percent wrong. I am saying that they're trying to say that I am violent person. I am not a violent person. I drove a school bus. I had a family. I do have value for human life. Every time I came home, I was so the situation, as crazy as it may sound, and my daughter just made every day for me after she was born. She never saw what was going on and question her and she always say, yes, my dad is the best dad in the world and how I try to raise her and sisters so she won't be traumatized or anything like that. She had a normal life for six years. I tried to take her out into public to give her a normal life and, look, this is how it works and I will take her to church and I will come home and just be normal like a normal family. These accusations that I would come home and beat her, beat them, those are totally wronging, your honor, because like I stated before, I am not a violent person. I know what I did is wrong, but I am not a violent person. I simply kept them there without allowing them to leave. I know when I picked up the second victim, which was Gina, I don't understand how because I
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you, your honor.
[Judge:] Thank you. Mr. Castro, you have before you your plea agreement. And if you recall on page 10, part of the agreement was that you would execute all necessary documents and perform all acts to transfer right, title and interest in the real property 2207 Seymour Avenue in Cleveland to the Cuyahoga County Land Utilization Corporation, the land bank. So the other day after the plea hearing, that's what you did, is that correct?
[Castro:] That's correct.
[Judge:] You signed all the papers?
[Castro:] Yes, sir.
[Judge:] All right. And you understand that you are not entitled to seek any profit. You've agreed not to seek any profit from this matter, correct? You have agreed that you'll not seek any profit from this. In other words, you're not going to be writing a book and receiving funds, you won't be licensing anything.
[Castro:] Right. That is correct.
[Judge:] The only people that may in the future receive any benefit from this will be the victims, is that clear?
[Castro:] Yes.
[Judge:] Ms. Knight, thank you for your remarkable restraint during that statement.
[Michelle Knight, Kidnapping Victim:] You're welcome.
[Judge:] Mr. Castro, you had several times both during the plea, colloquy and then again today mentioned that you don't feel you're a violent person. Perhaps you're not clearly understanding
[Castro:] OK
[Judge:] It may be unpleasant to you. Well
[Castro:] You know,
[Judge:] That has By virtue of your plea, that's what you did. You pled guilty to that and by virtue of your plea, when you rape someone, that's what it means. So, Mr. Castro, in sentencing you and all others that come before this court on felony matters and, of course, there's one misdemeanor as well, but in coming before this court on felony matters, I have to comply with the felony sentencing statutes. The overall purpose is to punish the offender and protect the public from future crime by the offender and others using the minimum sanctions that the court determines accomplish those purposes without imposing unnecessary burden on state or local government resources. In imposing sentence, the court must consider the need for incapacitation, deterrents, rehabilitation and restitution. I have to come up with a sentence for you that's commensurate with and not demeaning to the seriousness of your conduct, its impact on the victims, and a sentence that's consistent with sentences for similar crimes by similar offenders. And also the sentence must not be based upon your race, ethnicity, gender or religion. Punish you here in terms of proportionality, which we'll get to later, but is looked back in the cases I've had there have been none in this that have a scope approaching this, but in terms of harm to a victim, they're similar, although your misconduct here far exceeds the scope and duration of the defendants I'm going to mention. But I note that in Kevin Dominic's case, which was 300286, I imposed two consecutive life sentences for him.

[Banfield:] He is the Chinese newborn baby who is lucky to be alive today. His dramatic rescue shown all over the world, cut out of a sewer pipe. These images made this little baby an international star. The doctors only able to free him with the help of the firefighters and all those tools and the filth inside just something to behold. That baby's mother says that how her baby ended up in the toilet in the first place was a terrible mistake. The baby is now out of the hospital doing really well and with his maternal grandparents. CNN's David McKenzie is in Jinhau, China.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] This is where this extraordinary story unfolded, on the 4th floor of this building. The pictures have gone across the world, a mother who panicked, rushed to the toilet, calling police. She gave birth after she had complained from stomach aches. The child got wedged between a sewage pipe. The images have become famous, hacking at the pipe, trying to get the child out. They then came here with the pipe, brought it onto the street, tried to get him out right here, this newborn, but it was impossible to reach in and physically pry him out. It was too narrow. So they took the pipe to a neighbor hospital and they pride it opened with pliers, surgeons and the firefighters. They called the child Baby 59 after the incubator it was placed in. And the latest are this: apparently the mother's parents took the child away, the hospital and police saying it was sufficiently recovered.
[Unidentified Male:] With the assistance from our local police the baby's family came to the hospital and took away the baby. Baby's condition met the rules to be discharged from our hospital.
[Mckenzie::] Amazing when you consider the ordeal that it went through. Neighbors say that this could have been all a case of a mother being ashamed at her situation.
[Unidentified Male:] After she became pregnant, she moved out of her parents' house. She says she couldn't explain to her parents how come she was carrying a baby when she was so young and single. She has no solution but staying at this place. Day after day, her belly was growing.
[Mckenzie:] People in this area, and particularly people in the building where this happened are too afraid and ashamed to talk to us. And the family, both the mother and the parents, have asked that their privacy be respected. It might be hard to believe, be you the police are saying that this is really an accident. The investigations meet up with what the woman said about her ordeal. They say it could have been a case of someone who was very afraid and very ashamed. David McKenzie, CNN, Jinhao, China.
[Banfield:] It's amazing to see those pictures of that little baby seemingly doing so well after such an ordeal. We wish him well. Coming up, the story out of Colorado an and the accused movie theater shooter. He wants the court to believe he is insane. He does not want the court to ask him about it. How on Earth do you get your way with that or will he? That story coming up next.

[Michael Dunn, Accused Of Murder:] We might be in trouble with the local gangsters but not I didn't do anything wrong.
[Cory Strolla, Defense Attorney:] Let me ask you this. At some point, did you take Charlie down stairs to use the bathroom?
[Dunn:] Yes. We went upstairs and she changed. We were both wearing eveningwear. I took Charlie down to go potty. By the time I got up, she had just finished changing.
[Strolla:] Let me ask you this. We kind of talked about walking the dog. Did you take Charlie out for a walk?
[Dunn:] No. I took him to just go potty. He was ready to go.
[Strolla:] Did you walk him around the parking lot?
[Dunn:] No. This wasn't an exercise walk. This was just to go potty.
[Strolla:] Can you explain to the jury once you go down stairs in the hotel, where is this area that the animals and the pets could use the bathroom?
[Dunn:] It was right outside the door. Right around the building.
[Strolla:] Was it in front open to the public on a public road?
[Dunn:] No. It was kind of like to the side.
[Strolla:] Was it extremely close, you said, right outside that door?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did Charlie have to use the bathroom?
[Dunn:] Yes, it was immediate.
[Strolla:] Did you let Charlie walk around and smell the grass or play?
[Dunn:] No. I didn't want to be outside right then.
[Strolla:] Did you immediately pick up Charlie and go back to the room?
[Dunn:] Yes, we did. Yes, I did. Excuse me.
[Strolla:] At some point, there was some discussion about ordering a pizza. Please tell the jury who ordered the pizza.
[Dunn:] Well, I made the phone call but it was Rhonda hadn't Rhonda didn't eat a lot for dinner. Rhonda was upset and her stomach was in knots and I suggested maybe she needed something to eat, to put in her stomach.
[Strolla:] Did she agree with that?
[Dunn:] She did in theory.
[Strolla:] Who actually got the information to order the pizza?
[Dunn:] I believe Rhonda did.
[Strolla:] At that point, did you go down stairs to get it?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did you have to go outside and meet somebody outside in the public parking lot?
[Dunn:] No. It was in the lobby.
[Strolla:] Is that lobby secured and locked?
[Dunn:] Yes, it is.
[Strolla:] Explain to the jury how that area works?
[Dunn:] Rhonda started talking about a key card? The elevator is locked. You have to have a room key to operate the elevator.
[Strolla:] So the pizza guy couldn't come up.
[Dunn:] Correct.
[Strolla:] Again, did you ever go outside other than the area of the elevator to get that pizza.
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] When you brought the pizza up, did Miss Rouer try to eat the pizza?
[Dunn:] She did. She tried to eat a slice.
[Strolla:] Did you eat any of the pizza?
[Dunn:] No. I had no appetite.
[Strolla:] At that point, you guys still had some alcoholic beverages in the room you could make?
[Dunn:] Yes, we did.
[Strolla:] Did you make them?
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Strolla:] Can you tell the jury was it to have a night cap and put your head on a pillow and watch a movie?
[Dunn:] No. It was trying to calm down, trying to we were both so upset.
[Strolla:] At that point, were your hands still shaky?
[Dunn:] Absolutely.
[Strolla:] Was your body still shaky?
[Dunn:] Yes, it was.
[Strolla:] What about Ms. Rouer?
[Dunn:] She was quaking.
[Strolla:] Visibly?
[Dunn:] Visibly quaking.
[Strolla:] Is that the reason why you poured alcohol?
[Dunn:] Yes, it is.
[Strolla:] At some point let me ask you this. Did you guys keep drinking all night long?
[Dunn:] No. I think it was the one we had.
[Strolla:] Were you toasting each other, hey, what a beautiful day?
[Dunn:] Not at that point.
[Strolla:] Was there any type of joy or occasion of what a wonderful day, let's have a drink, anything at all in those lines?
[Dunn:] No, no. It was all, we were stunned and horrified and just couldn't believe that things escalated the way they did over a common courtesy.
[Strolla:] At any time, talking about that, of escalating, at any time, did you ever raise your voice to the men in the SUV?
[Dunn:] I think when I said Other than that, no.
[Strolla:] Did you ever curse at the men in the SUV?
[Dunn:] Other than the last thing I said, no.
[Strolla:] Did you ever say anything derogatory at all to the guys in the SUV?
[Dunn:] No. I did not. Not even when they were saying derogatory things towards me.
[Strolla:] Now, at some point, does Ms. Rouer fall asleep?
[Dunn:] Yeah. That was around midnight.
[Strolla:] Were you able to sleep?
[Dunn:] I fell asleep around 5:00 a.m.
[Strolla:] Why was it so hard for you to fall asleep?
[Dunn:] I was still processing the emotions and trying to make sense of what happened.
[Strolla:] At this point, are you still upset or shaken?
[Dunn:] I'm upset and shaken and, again, we still don't know about the death. It is just a shooting at this point.
[Strolla:] At some time, though, in the middle of the evening or the middle of that night, you do learn that somebody had passed away?
[Dunn:] Yes. I used my phone. We didn't have a computer with us. I would have been watching the channels for news. I found on my phone where they talked about that.
[Strolla:] Can you tell the jury what you saw on your phone that led you to believe that?
[Dunn:] I don't remember exactly what it said. It was something about the shooting on the south side. It showed a fatality.
[Strolla:] Obviously, they use the word fatality. You know what that means.
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Can you tell the jury how you reacted when you saw that on the phone is.
[Dunn:] I ran to the bathroom.
[Strolla:] Tell the jury why you ran to the bathroom?
[Dunn:] I vomited.
[Strolla:] At that point, had you had any food in your system since the dinner at the wedding?
[Dunn:] Not since dinner.
[Strolla:] At that point, did you decide to put on a movie or eat pizza?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] How long were you in that bathroom sick to your stomach?
[Dunn:] All the rest of the night until I think I was finally able to lay down around 5:00.
[Strolla:] What time did you have a great sleep? Did you sleep in until 9:00, 10:00 in the morning?
[Dunn:] No, we were up at 7:00.
[Strolla:] Where were you when Ms. Rouer woke up?
[Dunn:] I was in the bathroom trying to get clean. I was taking a shower.
[Strolla:] Because of what you had experienced physically that night?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] What did you hear Ms. Rouer say to you?
[Dunn:] Well, I guess the TV was on and she saw the news report and that's where she was calling me.
[Strolla:] How was she calling you? Was it just a soft, hey
[Dunn:] No. It was hysterical.
[Strolla:] Do you recall what she said when she said that to you or how she called you?
[Dunn:] Yeah. She said my name three times.
[Strolla:] At that point, you knew she was awake?
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Strolla:] Did you go out of the bathroom to talk with her?
[Dunn:] I did. I went out and I gave her a hug and I told her I know.
[Strolla:] At that point, what did Ms. Rouer say to you immediately after that hug?
[Dunn:] Take me home.
[Strolla:] How many times did she say that to you?
[Dunn:] Multiple times, three, four times.
[Strolla:] Was there inflection in her voice or was she calm about it?
[Dunn:] She was quaking.
[Strolla:] Was it safe to say based on your knowledge and experience, was she panicking?
[Dunn:] She was panicking and almost mute. She couldn't really talk to say take me home.
[Strolla:] At that point, did you leave the hotel?
[Dunn:] Yeah. We checked out at 8:00. We were up at 7:00 and out of there.
[Strolla:] And you still had to get your things together and get Charlie?
[Dunn:] It took about that long to get together.
[Strolla:] At some point, did you guys decide, hey, let's go have breakfast?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Let's go have coffee and orange juice?
[Dunn:] No. We had plans to spend the afternoon with my son in St. Augustine. That was off the table as well.
[Strolla:] So if you wanted to leave Jacksonville, you could have actually you had a reservation at a bed and breakfast in St. Augustine.
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did you go there, stop there?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you even go to look to see it? Maybe we will stay here and hang out?
[Dunn:] No. We had
[Strolla:] What were your intentions after speaking with Rhonda at that moment?
[Dunn:] Well, we were going to go back to Brevard where we live. I have a neighbor who is in law enforcement.
[Strolla:] Is that Mr. Ken Lescolet.
[Dunn:] Yeah. He is in Washington,
[D.c. Strolla:] Did you make a phone call to your neighbor, Ken Lescolet?
[Dunn:] Yes. We left the hotel at 8:00. I was calling Ken at 8:30.
[Strolla:] What was your intent or your purpose to talk to Ken or call Ken?
[Dunn:] Well, Ken is a federal law enforcement official. He knows me personally. I figured if I went and I talked to him. I knew he had friends in the local Brevard County sheriff where we could go together and I could speak to my hometown sheriff to tell them what happened and, you know, hopefully, they would listen to my side.
[Strolla:] Did you know anybody in law enforcement in Jacksonville, Florida?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you still have contacts with the guys on the Navy base in Jacksonville, Florida?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Again, in terms of your mental state, were you your normal self at this point?
[Dunn:] No, not even close.
[Strolla:] As we sit here today, 15 months later, are you even remotely close to how you were that morning?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Do you recall the drive back from Jacksonville to home?
[Dunn:] It was a two and a half hour drive. It went it was over in the blink of an eye.
[Strolla:] Was there a whole lot of discussion and talking between you and Miss Rouer?
[Dunn:] No. She was mute the whole time.
[Strolla:] Did it appear she was still visibly shaken up?
[Dunn:] Absolutely.
[Strolla:] Again, was she crying and sobbing in parts of this trip?
[Dunn:] Yes, she was. She had fits of silence, fits of sobbing.
[Strolla:] Obviously, did this play into your mind of you still being upset?
[Dunn:] Yes. Again, I knew I had done nothing wrong but it was hard to get her to understand this. At the time, I was more concerned with her, getting her taken care of and go to the law enforcement later?
[Strolla:] Did you have any belief or inclination you were going to be accused of murder?
[Dunn:] Absolutely not.
[Strolla:] Did you still have a pilot's license November, 2012?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Still valid, the day you were arrested?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did you lose the ability to fly a plane?
[Dunn:] No. I had a valid passport as well.
[Strolla:] And you had money in the bank?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] And you still had friends that you knew where they lived. You could drive to their house if they had an airplane?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Unidentified Judge:] Sustained.
[Strolla:] Let me ask you this, Mr. Dunn. Did you still have friends, if at all, that owned airplanes, November, 2012?
[Dunn:] Several.
[Strolla:] Did you drive to their house?
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] Did you call them?
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] Did you ask anybody to try to fly you to the Bahamas or another country or anything like that?
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] Did you contact the airlines?
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] Did you contact a car rental place?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you even try to stop anywhere to use your credit card? Did you do anything to buy a bus pass or anything like that?
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] Did you get a hold of Len Lescolet when you called there at 8:30 in the morning?
[Dunn:] I did. The purpose of my call was to make sure he was going to be home. I told him I would be there about 10:30. I had something very important to discuss with him. I wanted to make sure he was going to be there.
[Strolla:] OK. Did he indicate to you he would be there to talk to you?
[Dunn:] Yes. And he was.
[Strolla:] When you got home, you saw some pictures of where you guys used to live. Do you recall seeing those pictures?
[Dunn:] I do. There was a little bluishsilver truck outside. Whose car was that? That's Rhonda's.
[Strolla:] Where does Ms. Rouer normally park?
[Dunn:] Right where that car was at.
[Strolla:] Where do you normally park?
[Dunn:] In the garage.
[Strolla:] Why do you keep yours in the garage?
[Dunn:] Hers is bigger. Mine is new.
[Strolla:] It is only a little one-car garage?
[Dunn:] Right.
[Strolla:] I saw some things on the walls on the side. Why are those there?
[Dunn:] Those are like door protectors for the bumpers.
[Strolla:] Are those in line with exactly where your door would open?
[Dunn:] Yeah. I installed those.
[Strolla:] When you pulled in, did you close the garage?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you try to conceal your vehicle?
[Dunn:] Absolutely not.
[Strolla:] Did you go try to ditch your vehicle somewhere else and have somebody pick you up?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] When you get home, what's the first thing you and Rhonda do?
[Dunn:] We unloaded the dog.
[Strolla:] Where did you go after that?
[Dunn:] I went, headed out to the backyard and that's how I would get to my neighbor's?
[Strolla:] And kind of explain for the jury, because we don't get a lot of pictures of your neighborhood. It is where all the doors face the front like a regular house or are the doors on the side or the back?
[Dunn:] Most of the front doors face the road. The back doors face the ocean. The side units, the front door is actually on the side.
[Strolla:] Where is Mr. Lescolet?
[Dunn:] He is on the side. He has a back door.
[Strolla:] What's the easiest path to get to his house?
[Dunn:] The back.
[Strolla:] Have you done that before?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Have you socialized before?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] So to walk to that back door, was not going to surprise him?
[Dunn:] No. That was the usual.
[Strolla:] At some point before you went over to Mr. Lescolet's house after unloading Charlie, did Miss Rouer get a phone call?
[Dunn:] Yes, she did. Her phone rang and it was a 904 area code. We assumed it was my son calling and I answered.
[Strolla:] When you answered the phone, did you try to disguise your voice?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you try to muffle it and say, hey, don't use my name?
[Dunn:] No, absolutely not.
[Strolla:] When you answered, who was on the phone?
[Dunn:] It was Detective Musser.
[Strolla:] Did he tell you who he was or just say it was the detective of Jacksonville?
[Dunn:] Detective Musser, homicide detective from Jacksonville.
[Strolla:] As soon as he said that, what was the first thing you said to him?
[Dunn:] I know why you were calling? It was self-defense. I am on my way to a law enforcement officer's home right now. My intention is to make my report to the Brevard County sheriff's.
[Strolla:] What did Detective Musser respond, say I am on my way to law enforcement to make my report?
[Dunn:] He said that was a good idea. I had about ten minutes to be on my way.
[Strolla:] You were already walking out the back door to your neighbor?
[Dunn:] I was.
[Strolla:] When you got to his house, how close of a walk is it? Is it a mile away?
[Dunn:] Oh, no. It is three units away, 30, 40 feet.
[Strolla:] When you get there, is he there to open the door and greet you?
[Dunn:] Yes, he was.
[Strolla:] Do you advise him of what happened in Jacksonville?
[Dunn:] Yes. Without going into a lot of detail, I just kind of told him the blunt facts that were involved in the shooting and somebody is dead.
[Strolla:] Did you ask him for assistance of saying, I want to contact the Brevard County sheriff's office?
[Dunn:] I did. I made sure he knew it was a self-defense situation.
[Strolla:] Do you have your firearm on you?
[Dunn:] No. It was in my car.
[Strolla:] Did you try to get rid of the firearm? Did you try to hide it, anything like that?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] As a matter of fact, when you walked away from your car, you left it in your garage?
[Dunn:] Correct.
[Strolla:] Was your garage still open?
[Dunn:] When I walked away, it was.
[Strolla:] Now, do you know that Miss Rouer tried to follow you or was behind you?
[Dunn:] She showed up at Ken's eventually.
[Strolla:] At some point, were you in your neighbor's house drinking a glass of water?
[Dunn:] Yes, I was.
[Strolla:] Was Mr. Lescolet on the phone?
[Dunn:] Yes. He had a business card for one of the local sheriff deputies. We met him. I don't remember his last name but that was the gentlemen. So he was calling to speak to that detective or deputy specifically because he had personal knowledge.
[Strolla:] And that was somebody Mr. Lescolet could trust.
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] During that conversation and don't go into what Mr. Lescolet is on the phone, is it obvious he is talking to law enforcement?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] At some point, does the phone ring again for Ms. Rouer?
[Dunn:] Rhonda's phone rang and now it is a 321 area code. That's the local for where we were at. It was the Brevard County deputy sheriff on the phone for me.
[Strolla:] And then did you get on the phone and talk?
[Dunn:] I spoke with him.
[Strolla:] What did he say to you when you got on the phone? Did you describe to disguise your voice or your name?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] What did you say? Did he give you instructions?
[Dunn:] He did. I was a little confused, because I thought ken, Mr. Lescolet, was on the phone speaking with him and he was here at our request but he was actually there to execute a high-risk arrest.
[Strolla:] Did he tell you that on the phone?
[Dunn:] Well, he said I need you to come outside with your shirt off and your hands up.
[Strolla:] When you said high-risk arrest, that's because the witness that testified was that same one?
[Dunn:] Yeah. I just learned that today or the other day, sorry.
[Strolla:] So he didn't say that to you on the phone.
[Dunn:] You are right. He said I want you to come outside with your shirt off and your hands up.
[Strolla:] Did you ever say anything back to him or resist in any way, saying, I'm not coming out?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] What did you do with your shirt?
[Dunn:] Took it off.
[Strolla:] What did you do with the phone?
[Dunn:] Set it down.
[Strolla:] What did you did with your person?
[Dunn:] I went outside.
[Strolla:] When you walked outside, you walked outside ken's front door or did you walk out his back door?
[Dunn:] I went out his front door, which is the side.
[Strolla:] That would be closest to the road?
[Dunn:] Well, actually, it was there was a wall dividing our area with another condo. So it was closest to a wall on the north side of the compound.
[Strolla:] Let me ask you this. If you wanted to flee, could you have hopped that let me ask you, tell the jury, why you think that. When you walked outside of ken's house, what direction was the county sheriff's office facing?
[Dunn:] They were facing my front door.
[Strolla:] Were you actually behind them?
[Dunn:] Yeah, he has an extended cab pickup truck so it's like 30 feet long, so I had to walk past the truck to get out to the parking lot. And that put me 20 feet behind the sheriffs.
[Strolla:] And because they were focused on your unit?
[Dunn:] Yes, with rifles.
[Strolla:] All right. And at that point, did they know you were behind them?
[Dunn:] I high they did not until I announced my presence.
[Strolla:] Did you try to run?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Did you try to flee or hop a wall at that point?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] OK. At that point, how did you get their attention?
[Dunn:] I think I called out to them.
[Strolla:] OK.
[Dunn:] I don't recall what I said, but it was something like "I'm over here."
[Strolla:] OK. And did that take them off guard when they turned around?
[Dunn:] Very much so. They seemed surprised.
[Strolla:] OK. And, again, you're standing there with your shirt off?
[Dunn:] In my hand.
[Strolla:] As instructed by law enforcement.
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Strolla:] And what instructions did they give you at that point? If you recall.
[Dunn:] I think they wanted me to kneel with my ankles crossed.
[Strolla:] And did you do that?
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Strolla:] Did you comply with all of their instructions?
[Dunn:] Everything.
[Strolla:] Did you ever resist, become aggressive, verbally challenge them, anything?
[Dunn:] No, I had no reason to.
[Strolla:] OK. At some point, did they put you in the back of a patrol vehicle?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Did they take you to the Brevard County Sheriff's Office?
[Dunn:] They did.
[Strolla:] OK. Did they tell you why?
[Dunn:] I'm sure they did.
[Strolla:] Do you recall what they said?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] What was your state of mind at that point?
[Dunn:] Well, after what happened the night before and the two hours of sleep, I think it's safe to say I was not in my normal state. I don't know how to describe. It was a surreal experience, to say the least.
[Strolla:] OK. Had you ever been in that mental or emotional state your entire adult life?
[Dunn:] Never. Never had anything traumatic like that happen.
[Strolla:] OK. And at some point, were you put into an interview room?
[Dunn:] I was.
[Strolla:] OK. And obviously they had cameras. You could see they had recording devices?
[Dunn:] Yeah, the cameras were fairly obvious.
[Strolla:] OK. And how long did they make you sit there by yourself?
[Dunn:] It was hard to judge time at this I mean, I can tell how long an hour is, but not that day.
[Strolla:] OK. And at some point, do detectives come in from the Jacksonville sheriff's office.
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] And Detective Musser?
[Dunn:] Right. And Detective Oliver the other.
[Strolla:] And did they ask you to give a statement?
[Dunn:] They did.
[Strolla:] Did you talk to them?
[Dunn:] I spoke to them freely. I had nothing to hide.
[Strolla:] Were you cooperative with them?
[Dunn:] Yes.
[Strolla:] Were you trying to be evasive?
[Dunn:] No, I was not.
[Strolla:] Were you sarcastic?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Were you rude?
[Dunn:] No.
[Strolla:] Were you disrespectful?
[Dunn:] Not even a little.
[Strolla:] And at that point, did you even know that they had already had a warrant for your arrest for murder?
[Dunn:] No, I did not.
[Strolla:] Nothing further, Your Honor.
[Unidentified Judge:] Mr. Guy, cross examination.
[John Guy, Prosecutor:] Mr. Dunn, you love Rhonda Rouer.
[Dunn:] Yes, sir, I do.
[Guy:] You love her a lot, right?
[Dunn:] Yes, sir, I do.
[Guy:] And you loved her back then, correct?
[Dunn:] I love her today.
[Guy:] November 23rd, 2012, you were in love with her.
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Guy:] You cared about her.
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Guy:] Right. And when she got into that car, she asked you, what happened, right?
[Dunn:] Yes, sir.
[Guy:] And you told this jury, you explained it to her, right?
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Guy:] And she as you said, was a wreck. Right?
[Dunn:] Yes, she was.
[Guy:] Because she knew that you had just fired into a car with human beings inside.
[Dunn:] She doesn't understand self defense. But you are right. She was very upset over what I had done.
[Guy:] Right, right. And so you guys were together for three miles, and she was hysterical?
[Dunn:] Crying, yes.
[Guy:] Right. You did not tell her during that three miles anyone pointed any weapon at you, did you?
[Dunn:] I think I did. I think I was very clear that they threatened my life. I was very clear that they came out of their car, advancing upon me. And whether she comprehended what I was saying, I couldn't say.
[Guy:] My question was, did you tell her they had a weapon of any kind?
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Guy:] You did. What did you tell her? Tell the jury the term you used to describe the weapon.
[Dunn:] I don't know what I said, but I told her that they had a weapon, they threatened my life, and they were they he advanced upon me.
[Guy:] How did you describe the weapon? Did you say they had sword? Did you say they had a machete?
[Dunn:] A gun.
[Guy:] Gun. You used the word gun with Rhonda Rouer.
[Dunn:] Yes, I did.
[Guy:] When?
[Dunn:] Multiple times.
[Unidentified Judge:] One at a time, Mr. Guy.
[Guy:] Sir, are you telling this jury that on the way back to the hotel, you told Rhonda Rouer that the boys in the car had a gun?
[Dunn:] If I told her on the way to the hotel, I told her several times at the hotel. I told her several times on the way home that this was self defense.
[Guy:] That wasn't my question.
[Dunn:] Well, the whole conversation revolved around gun, threat. They came out of the car at me. So it wasn't just they had a gun. Because when he just had a gun, I didn't shoot him. It wasn't until he made specific threats and got out of his car and came after me.
[Guy:] OK.
[Dunn:] So all of that was part of the conversation.
[Guy:] All right. I'm going to take this in little tiny increments now. From the time you left the gate station to the time you got to the Sheridan, how many times did you use the word "gun" to describe let me finish what the boys in the car had?
[Dunn:] I couldn't tell you.
[Guy:] Was it more than one?
[Dunn:] At least one.
[Guy:] OK. And when you got back to the hotel, she was still a wreck, right?
[Dunn:] That's correct.
[Guy:] She was upset?
[Dunn:] That's correct.
[Guy:] She didn't go into the room, right? She was sitting up on the elevator.
[Dunn:] She went into the room to change, and then we went out to the club room.
[Guy:] Right. And she as she testified, was waiting for the police to come, right?
[Dunn:] Well, we were waiting for the red SUV to come. Now, that's what I was waiting for. I couldn't tell you what she was waiting for. But that was what that was the sentiment that I understood that she was waiting for, retaliation.
[Guy:] OK. We'll get back to that. The SUV. How many times during that time did you tell her they had a gun?
[Dunn:] I don't think we discussed it, because we were in a public area.
[Guy:] OK. Well, you did go back to your room, correct?
[Dunn:] I'm talking about in the club room.
[Guy:] I understand. Now I'm talking about you go back to your room, right?
[Dunn:] Right.
[Guy:] She was still a wreck.
[Dunn:] Yes, she was.
[Guy:] OK. Tell the members of the jury how many times you said to her, "They had a gun."
[Dunn:] At least once.
[Guy:] And when she woke up, she heard that somebody had been killed, right?
[Dunn:] Yes, she did.
[Guy:] OK. Tell the jury how many times you told her at that point, "Don't worry, honey, they had a gun."
[Dunn:] I didn't say that.
[Guy:] The truth is, Mr. Dunn, you never told Rhonda Rouer ever that they had a gun.
[Strolla:] Your Honor
[Dunn:] That's incorrect.
[Unidentified Judge:] Hang on.
[Strolla:] Counsel testifying
[Unidentified Judge:] Cross-examination, Mr. Strolla. Overruled.
[Guy:] Mr. Dunn, the truth is, you never told the love of your life that those boys had a gun.
[Dunn:] You weren't there.
[Guy:] Did you? You did tell her that?
[Dunn:] I said, "You were not there."
[Guy:] I get that. I know that. The truth is, you didn't tell her about a gun, did you?
[Dunn:] I mentioned the gun.
[Unidentified Judge:] Mr. Strolla, if you want to object, please stand up and make the objection loudly so everybody will stop.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] At this hour, you've been watching special coverage on CNN. We've been watching inside a Jacksonville, Florida, courtroom. Compelling testimony. On the stand right now, Michael Dunn, a 47-year-old, accused of shooting and killing a 17- year-old teen, Jordan Davis. He is being cross-examined by the prosecution at this hour and it's been really compelling to hear the cross-examination.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] He made the case to the defense that he was acting in self defense. He said he felt threatened by the teens who were in the car. He claimed to have seen a weapon there. Now, of course, what you're hearing is the prosecution going after him in cross. And it is getting quite hostile, quite quickly. The judge has had to step in a few times to calm things down. You can watch this throughout the day on CNN. We will continue our coverage. Right now, though, we go to Washington, D.C. and Wolf Blitzer with special coverage of president Obama along with French President Francois Hollande in a joint news conference there.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Hello. I'm Wolf Blitzer, in Washington. We'll continue to monitor that trial, the riveting testimony that's under way right now.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. And we're dedicating this hour of CNN to the breaking coverage of the deadly Ebola virus and CNN's exclusive reporting. We are hearing today from the partner of the man who has been diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas, Texas. Our Anderson Cooper just breaking this news. He joins me live now. I want to re-set exactly what it is you have learned from this woman who is under quarantine and has spent all of these days with the man who is at the center of this crisis.
[Cooper:] Right. Her first name is Louise. We're not using her full name. She asked us not to. She has been quarantined. She is in her apartment, the apartment where Thomas Duncan was staying when he came from Liberia to visit with her and her family. She's under quarantine with one of her children who's 13, as well as two nephews who are in their 20s because those were the three young people who were there at the same time that Thomas Duncan was there when he actually got sick. Louise took Thomas Duncan to the hospital the first time. She says she was asked for a Social Security Number for Thomas Duncan. She told the person who was checking them into the hospital that he didn't have a Social Security Number because he'd just come from Liberia. The person checking him in said, OK, that's no problem. Them
[Banfield:] So he wasn't questioned by a nurse necessarily where he was from. She volunteered that information to the hospital?
[Cooper:] She says she did, as related to Social Security. Then she said a second time around to a nurse or some sort of physician's assistant that he had also come from Liberia. So she says she told
[Banfield:] Twice.
[Cooper:] Said twice that he had come from Liberia. Did not seem to raise any red flags. She didn't think about Ebola. It wasn't in her mind. She thought maybe he had malaria. He didn't mention anything about Ebola to the health care workers and the health care workers, when they heard about Liberia, according to Louise, nobody mentioned anything about Ebola or whether he asked Thomas Duncan if he had come in contact with anybody who had Ebola. He was sent home with some antibiotic, a prescription, probably antibiotics. When he started the antibiotics, he also started getting very severe diarrhea, made frequent trips to the bathroom.
[Banfield:] This is back in the apartment after the first hospital visit?
[Cooper:] Back in the apartment. That's correct. Back in the apartment for several days. He started getting sicker and sicker. Was shivering at night. Sweating in the bed. Louise works she says she's a health care attendant or home attendant, so she would be gone at times. She says that she doesn't believe Thomas Duncan left the apartment at any time when he was sick. She wasn't there for sure so she doesn't know 100 percent. But to her knowledge, he didn't leave the apartment.
[Banfield:] But she's not been instructed to get rid of the sheets where he was sweating profusely?
[Cooper:] Well, that's the thing that's that's the thing that's surprising. She the towels that Thomas Duncan used she has placed in a plastic bag and she they are still in the apartment. The sheets, she said, are still on the bed. She has not been sleeping in the bed she said since Tuesday.
[Banfield:] But no one's told her to absolutely bag up everything?
[Cooper:] She's not clear what to do with them.
[Banfield:] There's no one from the CDC in a hazmat suit instructing her in the apartment where this man spent presumably four days?
[Cooper:] Well, the CDC has visited the apartment, has talked to her, has told her she cannot leave the apartment, has told her basically she's quarantined for the next 21 days, that there would be legal action if she did leave the apartment, as well as the three others. She is still waiting on word from them or local health officials about what to do with the sheets, what to do with the towels that she herself says she placed in the plastic bags. She said that she did have some Clorox and had tried to clean the apartment, but it's not clear to me how systemic that cleaning was. She insists she does not believe she came in contact with any bodily fluids from Thomas Duncan. It appears they were sleeping in the same bed while he was sweating and was sick. It's not clear to me how extensive their contact was. But she said she does not believe, to her knowledge, that she came in any contact with any fluids.
[Banfield:] That is just such a difficult statement to be certain of, though, especially with health care workers who are fully suited up are getting ill, treating or even being amidst Ebola patients. Anderson, great reporting, I know you're going to have a lot more extensive details coming up on your
[Cooper:] We'll have the interview ready to go tonight.
[Banfield:] Excellent. Thank you. I appreciate you getting it on the air as quickly as possible. I appreciate it because I want to go to the Dallas mayor right now, Mike Rawlings, who joins me live on the telephone. Mayor Rawlings, you've heard Anderson's reporting. You have got to agree this is troubling at the very least?
[Mayor Mike Rawlings, Dallas:] Well, this whole situation is troubling, and that's why we're taking every precaution to make sure we do everything we can as quickly as we can. Dallas County health officials assured me this morning they identified a resource to come in and take those plastic bags away, take those sheets away. That's why this woman is in isolation, to make sure that it if, in fact, she did come in contact with anything from him, and she is infected, that she's going to be kept in isolation. That's a difficult situation for her, but that's the reality of what we've got to do here.
[Banfield:] So, Mayor Rawlings, Anderson's reporting, it's so unbelievable to hear that this woman still doesn't know what to do with some of these, you know, possibly infected items inside her apartment. Just to hear that the sheets are still on the bed, we're hearing about sheets being burned regularly out of clinics where Ebola patients have been treated and yet this woman and two other young people, are still in that apartment, effectively could they not be becoming infected and who's running this show?
[Rawlings:] Well, we've got state officials, we've got county officials, that have a clear path forward. We have locked this apartment down. CDC was very clear to her to ask put this material in plastic bags and then we've got to dispose of in a professional and safe manner that resource has been engaged and on the way to take care of it.
[Banfield:] Does it not shock you, mayor, there isn't someone from the CDC who is fully suited up and inside that apartment making sure that things that could infect these current family members under quarantine, aren't taken away? I mean the woman doesn't even know, she doesn't think she's had contact. She's been living with this man for those four critical days where he was highly infectious?
[Rawlings:] Yes. I think it's it must be a very scary proposition for her. The CDC has been there. She's got clear marching orders on what to do. We're monitoring this situation. Not only
[Banfield:] I think that's the problem, mayor, she doesn't. She doesn't seem to have the clear marching orders. She doesn't understand what to do. This is why I'm so concerned, is that who is helping her through this? She said to Anderson, I don't know what to do. The sheets are still on the bed. Clearly that's that's not a very strong indication that she knows what she's supposed to be doing.
[Rawlings:] So we've hired we've got a resource that's going to come and take those sheets away and dispose of them properly. It's got to be done in the way that CDC wants it to be done and that's what they're doing. But it's important to know that we've got other people that have possibly come into contact as well. We've identified those other individuals and taken precautions there as well. So we just can't focus on the apartment, which is really isolated and in control. It's really other folks outside that apartment that we're concerned about as well.
[Banfield:] Understandably. You know, a federal official has actually told CNN that the number of those who may have come into contact with this patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, may be upwards of now 100 and that only, I'm going to quote here, only a small set of that group, quote, more than 12 have been identified as having contact and are being monitored. Are you being given regular briefings as to who among that 100 in your metroplex in the DallasFort Worth area may have come in contact and may need to be quarantined as well?
[Rawlings:] Yes, I have. At least two-thirds of those in that broad list are at the hospital. These are individuals that may have come in contact with a patient, so the hospital is going through their procedures. We've identified up to 25 individuals within the area and we are making sure that everybody, everybody's been talked to, everybody's going to get a protocol that they need to go and participate in and we're going to be playing man-to-man defense on this issue with each of those people.
[Banfield:] Let me get those numbers straight. You said about two-thirds of that list. Is that two-thirds of the possible 100 people who may have had some contact either with him or with people who had contact with him? Is that two-thirds of those you've been able to actually identify at this point and that 25 of those people are actually at the hospital?
[Rawlings:] You're mixing the numbers here a little bit.
[Banfield:] Clear it up for me.
[Rawlings:] We could be upwards of 100, so we don't know exactly the amount. I have not I heard the same number from my briefing this morning. I know two-thirds of those, at least two-thirds of those, probably more than that, may have come in contact at the hospital.
[Banfield:] OK.
[Rawlings:] And then the remaining were in the area and all the contacts are really in that specific area of Dallas.
[Banfield:] And now what about other hospitals? What is happening now? Just the possibility that the same circumstance could play out, Anderson got this exclusive reporting that the woman named Louise actually identified the fact that this was a visitor from Liberia twice at the time that she brought him to the hospital the first time around before he was sent back home. It's remarkable to hear that two separate times she claims she notified the hospital, the patient I'm bringing in right now with the symptoms is from Liberia. What's happening in DallasFort Worth for anybody else who might be coming down with symptoms and going to any other hospital? What's happening to ensure hospitals don't let this slip through the cracks?
[Rawlings:] Well, obviously everybody has been retrained. They were trained before this incident came into fact. The protocol was correctly implemented with him when he came in the hospital at the beginning. We didn't close the loop, and the doctors didn't see that. I'm not I do not understand why there wasn't self-reporting to the doctor examining that he had had contact with Ebola. That we're trying to still figure out. But every hospital knows exactly what to do now and all of our paramedics have been trained. Fortunately they were trained and picked this patient up and saw that he was from west Africa, put in the protocol to make sure they were safe, took him to the hospital, the hospital participated that way and that's why I feel good about those two-thirds number that I gave you that those guys hopefully are in good shape. But our paramedics are in isolation. They will be that way for 21 days. You can't zeros percent chance of contracting this if you don't have bodily fluids, you know, somehow you get in contact with it.
[Banfield:] And to that fact, Louise reported to Anderson that there may be some discrepancy to this report, of Mr. Duncan vomiting on the sidewalk outside of the apartment complex as he was being loaded into the ambulance. Have you been given any reports about whether that's possible? Because as we all know, if you look at the reporting in west Africa, these are the things that can cause this to spread, bodily fluids in a public place with unknowing people, children even, walking along those areas. What do you know about that fact?
[Rawlings:] The fire and rescue staff did not tell me of that and I assume that did not happen. There are a lot of bad rumors going around, as you can well imagine right now, and that was not part of the report.
[Banfield:] I'm sorry. I think I might have lost the mayor's signal.
[Rawlings:] Hello?
[Banfield:] Do we still have the mayor?
[Rawlings:] Hello? Hello?
[Banfield:] I'm sorry. I lost you for a moment, mayor. I apologize. Can you still hear me?
[Rawlings:] I can.
[Banfield:] I'm sorry if I interrupted you, but I lost your signal in my ear.
[Rawlings:] OK.
[Banfield:] If I interrupted you please continue but I have another question about the condition currently of Thomas Eric Duncan. Do we know how he's doing? Yesterday serious condition, but today?
[Rawlings:] Yeah. I was told this morning that he is in serious but stable condition. God willing he'll pull through this, and we won't have any other incidents of this in the city. Are you there?
[Banfield:] I'm also just getting I'm sorry. I'm getting some breaking news as you're speaking as well. I apologize, Mr. Mayor. We're hearing from Wilfred Smallwood, who is the half brother of Thomas Eric Duncan, that when he left Liberia, he was unaware that he had Ebola, which I think we can all safely say sounds pretty logical, considering he had his temperature taken as he was boarding the plane or before he boarded the plane in Liberia. I do have one question for you. I don't know if you can answer this, Mayor but it's been troubling me since I've been getting these facts all morning long, and that is, at the time he boarded that plane and had his temperature taken, would anyone have asked him or would he not have known to say, I've been in contact with a woman, a woman who died of Ebola, a woman I carried physically, hand to hand? Would they have asked those questions? Is a hospital supposed to ask that question, not just where are you from, where have you been, but have you been in contact? I mean it feels like there are a lot of spaces along this map where there was a massive breakdown where Mr. Duncan could have said, I have physically been in contact with a woman, whether he knew she died or not, but who was terribly, terribly sick in Liberia. Do you know anything to that information?
[Rawlings:] I don't. It's a good question about why he hasn't why he didn't self-report on this. We did capture the fact that he was from west Africa, which was a trigger by itself. If you're from West Africa, that's the trigger. I will tell you we're going to have more information in the press conference this afternoon and probably a lot of your questions, hopefully, will be answered by then.
[Banfield:] I'm so glad for that. One last question before I leave you and that is about the Dallas Independent School District. I know that the five children of Louise go to four different schools that span from elementary to middle and high school, and yet as I understand it, none of those schools has closed. There has been disinfecting going on, but what do you know right now about the schools' situation, particularly those schools and all the children who may have come in contact with the children who were in contact with Mr. Duncan?
[Rawlings:] Well, there's no reason to close the schools down. These students had no exhibited any signs of contracting the disease. Furthermore, the time, the incubation time, couldn't have mathematically happened. So these kids are in good health at this point, shows that they did not there was no way they could spread this disease, and school is going on, and we're taking doubling our precautions here. But these kids are safe, and hopefully the children that got in contact with them, in 21 days, we can announce that they're safe as well.
[Banfield:] I can't thank you enough, Mayor Rawlings, for taking the time. I'm assuming this is very a busy time for you, and we will look forward to your news conference later this afternoon. What time will that be, sir? Do you have it scheduled yet?
[Rawlings:] We're finalizing it. Thank you for your interest.
[Banfield:] I appreciate you taking the time. Well, this is a critical story and critical information get out to people, and thank you, again, Mayor Mike Rawlings joining us live on the telephone from the Dallas area. Just a quick update, our Anderson Cooper with a breaking story, an exclusive interview with the who is effectively the domestic partner of this patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, who spent that time actually, caring for him in her apartment with not only one of her children but two of her nephews, as well, present. The sheets still on the bed where he slept and presumably with that high fever sweated profusely. The towels bagged up in that apartment but still in that apartment, and they still in that apartment under quarantine. There's so much more to get at with regard to what else could happen here, how these people are going to maneuver through their lives, and what you need to be concerned about, not just if you're in the Dallas area, but don't forget this person went through Dulles Airport in Washington as well before landing at DFW. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is going to join me live after the break.

[Blackwell:] People in Cleveland gathered for a meeting on gun violence and police relations after a police officer fatally shot a 12-year-old boy last weekend. Listen.
[Unidentified Female:] If a black person reaches for something, their kneejerk response now is to shoot.
[Unidentified Male:] Can we totally a world where the lives of black people mean nothing? It's that basic. I don't think the guys are going out to try to shoot somebody. I don't think anybody on the police department is doing that.
[Paul:] Police earlier released a surveillance video of the shooting, and it shows an officer shot Tamir Rice two seconds after the patrol car pulled up near him. Police have also released recordings of the 911 call and the dispatchers tape as well.
[Blackwell:] Now, the police shooting of course that's garnering the most attention is in Ferguson. So much has been said about what's happening there, but we have with us this morning is a professor who says what we're witnessing is not black rage against police but white rage against progress.
[Paul:] Carol Anderson is joining us now. She's an Associate Professor of African-American Studies and History at Emory University here in Atlanta. We're also joined by Bishop Raphael Green. He pastors a church in the St. Louis area. Thank you both for taking some time to be with us. Professor Anderson, I would love to start with you real quickly. I know that you wrote an op-ed for "The Washington Post" in August. And I want to read part of that for our viewers here. You said, quote, "When we look back on what happened in Ferguson, Missouri, during the summer of 2014 it will be easy to think of it as yet one more episode of black rage ignited by yet another police killing of an unarmed African-American male, but that has it precisely backwards. What we've actually seen is the latest outbreak of the white rage. Sure, it's cloaked in niceties of the law and order, but it is rage nonetheless." Explain what you mean by "white rage."
[Carol Anderson, Emory University Associate Professor:] White rage is the one that's invisible in terms of it really is cloaked in niceties of law and order. It is cloaked in the courts. It's cloaked in legislatures that devise systems that weaken black voting strength. It's cloaked in legislatures that figure how to define or to redraw districts and boundaries and defund programs or to shrink hiring or the number of public employee, given that most of the discrimination that we see is, for hiring for instance, is in private industry. So you have overwhelmingly African-Americans and the black middle class made up of those in public employment. So when you talk about fiscal responsibility it sounds genteel. It sounds responsible. It sounds doggone what a good government should do. But underneath it, the destruction to the black community is profound.
[Blackwell:] So explain how, if there is this white rage in the way you describe it, how do you change that, if it is so engrained in the institutions and as you say it is subtle from some angles?
[Anderson:] And I think in part the way we begin to do that, and we're seeing it, is that more and more whites are beginning to understand that there is something fundamentally, inherently wrong with the ways that when you are seeing, for instance, the Ferguson police who were fully riot geared up with armored vehicles and the like, wait a minute, this is not my America. When you strip away the veneer and you are asking, so, for jaywalking and shoplifting you get six bullets? I mean, when you begin to strip away the narratives of black as thug, black as criminal, and just begin to see that the violence level is so intense. Ferguson popped because that violence was so apparent. But the underlying violence is also what has led to the kindling that allowed this to explode. So the way you get at it is that African-American has have been talking about this for years. More and more whites are beginning to see it as well, and it is that coming together that is going to make the difference.
[Paul:] We had a guest on earlier who had been a St. Louis County police officer, and he said we asked him about the disparity in the department. You know, if you have got the majority of the community who are African-Americans and only three out of 53 officers are African-Americans, how do you change that? And he said a lot of African-Americans don't want to be part of the police department. How do you get people involved if they don't want to be and they already see those barriers? How do we break through them?
[Anderson:] And I would push back on that "they don't want to be police officers, because you see, I mean, it's like saying there is an entire element or an entire profession where African-Americans just don't want to be. But what they see I mean, and we saw it too in August and in September when you have the police force members of the police force talking about we're here to shoot down these rabid dogs. And so if you have a norm within that force, that police force that sees the black community as rabid dogs, is that a place where you really want to work? And so it's not that African-Americans don't want to be police officers. They don't want to be police officers where there is that under underlying rage that takes the kind of violence that a police force can heap on a community and target it.
[Blackwell:] And, you know, one thing we learned is that the African- Americans especially in St. Louis County who want to be police officers are so high in demand, they can go to a larger department. They can get more money. So to stay in a small community, it's less attractive if you can go into St. Louis County or to a larger city. Professor Carol Anderson, thank you so much for joining us this morning. Our apologies to the bishop. We had some technical difficulties there. But we thank him for joining us this morning just the same.
[Paul:] Absolutely. We have to get to a little bit of a couple other pieces of news here. Pilots, they have a lot going on when they are in the cockpit, right. Well, now they have to worry, may have to worry about remote controlled drones. We're talking about that a little bit We're talking act that a little bit later this year.
[Blackwell:] But also a man walked through the streets of downtown Austin, Texas, firing over and over more than 100 rounds. We're learning about the shooter's targets right after this.

[Pereira:] A scrum of journalists interviewing President Obama. No, no. Instead, it was a trio of YouTube stars, the mission to get millennials in touch with Obama's latest policy proposals, especially those presented in his recent State of the Union Address. Our White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski joins us live with some of the memorable moments of the Q&A session, the first of its kind, YouTube stars and the president sitting down.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Right. You know, Michaela, we would have loved to interview the president after the State of the Union, so probably any journalists. But unfortunately for us, we have never attempted the green gumball challenge, the octopus challenge, tips for fancying up your bedroom. We did not qualify. Here's what happened.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The State of the Union is strong.
[Kosinski:] So, the White House assembled some top talent to delve into the president's thinking. Not from among the titans of journalism, or the political uber blogger Wonkie, but the best of YouTube.
[Unidentified Male:] Prepare to empty your brain.
[Unidentified Female:] It's OK? Is you? Good, because I want to know.
[Kosinski:] The lineup, Glozell. Millions of subscribers. Her clip, my push-up bra will help me get my man, 23 million views. And Green, science nerd.
[Unidentified Male:] Speed and velocity are not interchangeable. Neither are mass and weight.
[Kosinski:] And Bethany Mota, a teenager brimming with style tips and eight million subscribers.
[Unidentified Female:] My eyebrows look extremely uneven in this video. Let's not talk about it.
[Kosinski:] For all the build-up, you know what?
[Unidentified Male:] You used phrase "middle class economics" in the speech.
[Glozell Green, Youtube Star:] How can we bridge the gap between black African-American males and white cops?
[Bethany Mota, Youtube Star:] So, last April, Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of schoolgirls.
[Kosinski:] Boko Haram? They asked all the same questions we might ask and President Obama gave extremely long answers.
[Obama:] That's a government program that helps a lot of people.
[Kosinski:] The running commentary? Things like we need marijuana and I thought this was going to be interesting, but it's boring. I know it's important, but I'm 13. Come on, guys, you are the YouTubers, aren't you supposed to shock everyone? Bring some kittens or something? OK, there were some fun moments.
[Mota:] The last one is if you have any superpower, what would it be?
[Obama:] Like the flying thing seems pretty cool.
[Kosinski:] Hank Green asked the president to sign a receipt for his medication, that he says once he was insured by Obamacare, went from costing $1,100 a month, to $5.
[Unidentified Male:] Obamacare has work
[Obama:] Obamacare has worked and that makes me feel good.
[Kosinski:] And Glozell stepped up.
[Green:] I have green lipstick, one for your first wife
[Obama:] My first?
[Green:] I mean
[Obama:] Do you know something I don't?
[Green:] One for the first lady and the first children.
[Obama:] And the first, oh
[Kosinski:] No YouTube gathering, being complete without
[Mota:] Can you do a selfie with me?
[Obama:] Let's do it.
[Mota:] All right. Got it.
[Obama:] OK. My knees
[Pereira:] An epic selfie there, Michelle. The big question I have is how did the interwebs react? You showed us a little bit from the 13-year-old. Were the numbers good? Did it go viral? Did it break any records?
[Kosinski:] Did it break the Internet?
[Pereira:] Yes.
[Kosinski:] Well, I don't think we need to worry about our jobs. These people are great about what they do. Their day jobs, these crazy kids did not have any big tricks up their sleeves. When you look at the numbers, it seems like a peak of around 90,000 people watched this live. Now, when you look at the number of clicks, it's around 650,000. I mean, that's going to grow. But you look at how many people watched the State of the Union, more than 30 million Americans, so good old-fashioned TV, hey, it's still working for the president. He can stay away from the Internet Michaela.
[Pereira:] Trying to imagine you with green lipstick, I'm going to consider that.
[Kosinski:] I'll try it.
[Pereira:] You can try it, you're brave. Let us know what you think, tweet us @newday. Go to our Facebook page, Facebook.comNewDay. Stay tuned right here on NEW DAY, because YouTube sensation Glozell, green lipstick and all, I hope, she didn't promise she'll wear it but she'll join us in the 8:00 hour.
[Cuomo:] That is a strong look.
[Pereira:] She's a good lady.
[Cuomo:] Very jets-friendly.
[Camerota:] That's one of our best promos, I believe. She's goes here's for your first wife. He goes, he did like a double-take for the camera. That was great.
[Pereira:] You know something I don't know?
[Cuomo:] The media gives heat to people when they interview the president. But they're always just peanut butter and
[Pereira:] Jelly.
[Cuomo:] I love that line. All right. So, the head coach and the star QB of the New England Patriots say they know nothing about the deflate-gate scandal. Some are saying not only is that not believable, it's not even possible. Why they say that? Straight ahead.

[Lake:] 2014 will be the year of hard truths. That's according to UK chancellor George Osborne in his latest speech. Budget cuts are in and the welfare state faces yet another squeeze. His gloomy prediction comes despite new numbers which show business confidence is at a 20-year high. It's not the only bit of encouraging news. Britain's service sector maintained a yearlong surge in output in December. The pace of growth outstripped the euro zone average and especially France. Unemployment is falling. The UK's jobless rate is now 7.4 percent. That's the lowest since 2009. However, international borrowing costs remain high. The yield on the ten- year bond is just under 3 percent. Chancellor Osborne says it is not yet time to loosen up on austerity.
[George Osborne, Uk Chancellor Of The Exchequer:] For the first time in a long time, there's a real sense that Britain is on the rise. Jobs are being created, the deficit is coming down. And that brings its own risks. As we start the new year, I want to warn you about a dangerous new complacency around in our politics at the moment. You hear some of my political opponents talking as if the hard part of the job is done and we can go back to the old habits.
[Lake:] James Sproule is chief economist at the Institute of Directors. He joins me from London. James, this is very foreign to me. I'm in a country where politicians talk up the economy no matter what's actually going on. Why so gloomy?
[James Sproule, Chief Economist, Institute Of Direction:] I don't actually think he is being gloomy. I think he's actually telling the British people some home truths here. What we've had in the UK was sort of the whole period of the 2000s under Gordon Brown as chancellor was a real expansion of government spending, and at a time when any Keynesian should have been realizing it was time to be putting some money aside, the UK government ran huge, huge deficits, and therefore huge debts. And it's come time to realize we have to live within our means. And there's no better time to start living within your means than when the economy itself is expanding. So, I think that one of the things looking back over the last few years that George the conservatives didn't do is they didn't prepare the ground all that well when they were in opposition, to saying to people, look, we are overspending. Brown's expansion of the public sector is not sustainable. So now, they're sort of correcting for that, and they're coming out and they're saying things like it's going to be tough times, we've put through the tax rises bit. We've now got to carry through the spending cuts bit. That's going to be difficult, particularly given there's a coalition government. But the fact is, we still have to do the right thing for the longer term, and the right thing for the longer term is to lower those taxes, and in order to get lower taxes, the first thing you've got to do is eliminate the really chronic deficit. At one point, we touched ten percent of GDP, it was absolute appalling, and
[Lake:] Well, I'll give you that
[Sproule:] this is really part of that stage.
[Lake:] Yes, I understand what you're saying, and I'll give you that, but we are at a time where we're coming out of an incredibly hard, damaging, painful financial crisis, global crisis, that really hurt the psyche of not only investors, of consumers. Isn't there a concern that sort of talking so much about austerity and saying it's not a time for complacency will actually hurt the confidence that's finally come back?
[Sproule:] I don't think so. We just completed a survey at the Institute of Directors where we asked people, what do you think is going to happen to UK GDP? What's going to be happening to your revenues? And we had substantial like three quarters of our respondents saying that they were expecting to expand revenues in the next year. So, I think the consumer is feeling pretty good. And what we've seen in the UK so far has been if you look at where the recovery is coming, it's largely consumer spending. Now, the challenge, really, for the next year is to have that narrowly- based economic recovery expanded to a variety of other sectors. So, for instance, business investment, which is still lagging a bit, and UK exports, which have not been as good as anybody would have hoped. So, I think that at the moment, what we need to be doing is expanding that. As far as what the chancellor should be really looking for in the longer term, it's to be setting a business agenda that gives business the confidence to do the investment which will lead to that broader-based growth out in the future.
[Lake:] All right, interesting insight. James Sproule, chief economist for the Institute of Directors, thank you so much for clarifying that message for us. Japan's Nissan is fighting for a foothold in London's taxi market. It has redesigned a vehicle to rival the city's traditional black cab. Nina Dos Santos brings us this report.
[Nina Dos Santos, Cnn International Correspondent:] From the horse-drawn carriages of the 1900s to the motorized models of today, the changing face of Britain's capital has been reflected in its jaunty taxis. And now, London's iconic black cab is about to receive another facelift, courtesy of Nissan.
[Andy Palmer, Chief Planning Officer, Nissan:] What we've tried to create here is an iconic vehicle for an iconic city. If you want to create those icons, then you've got to be you've really got to be dedicated to doing it properly. And if we were going to do this, we needed to make the bowler hat for the city of London.
[Dos Santos:] The Japanese offering hits the road later this year. Nissan, along with Mercedes Benz, has moved into compete against the current maker, Manganese Bronze, now owned by China's Geely Automotive.
[Palmer:] We've taken a base vehicle, which is the NV200, but in each case, tried to redesign it in a way that is sympathetic to the particular cities that we're going.
[Dos Santos:] One spoke in the wheel, London's quirky transport laws.
[Steve Macnamara, General Secretary, Licensed Taxi Drivers' Association:] The rules on taxis in London, the Hackney Carriage Acts, go back to wait for it 1834. Basically, the motor vehicle has had to fit into that horse- drawn era, which is why vehicles are so high. One of the key things is a gentleman of 5 foot 8 has to be able to sit in the back seat wearing a top hat.
[Dos Santos:] Adapting a vehicle like this for the streets of London has been a yearlong process for Nissan. For instance, this taxi has a mandatory circle of some 25 feet. The front headlamps, the grill, and the taxi sign, have all had to be specifically redesigned to match the look and feel of the capital's existing fleet. Would you change one of these for that cab?
[Mike Fitzpatrick, Taxi Driver:] Well, unfortunately, this has only got about two years left in it, and once that's happened, then yes, I probably would look at the Nissan.
[Dos Santos:] The changes in Nissan's model are more than just aesthetic. The company aims to offer an emissions-free vehicle by 2015, in line with London's goal to eradicate polluting taxis from its city center by the decade's end. So, while one of London's best-loved sights might be about to change, it's worth remember, not all of the capital's black cabs are actually that color. Nina Dos Santos, CNN, London.
[Lake:] Well, Atlanta today is colder than Alaska, if you can believe it, and Memphis is colder than Moscow. There is some brutal weather in the United States, and it's headed this way. We'll have an update next.

[John Defterios, Emerging Markets Editor:] Calling itself the Caribbean's first ever vineyard resort and real estate development, this is the Dominican Republic's take on enotourism only 90 minutes drive from the capital Santa Domingo. It sits on pristine land of 2 million square meters. [inaudible] Bay's promise, spectacular coastal views, a Mediterranean climate, and if you want a piece of it you can purchase a spot with an exclusive private vineyard in front of your villa. The mastermind behind all of this is Dominican architect Gabriel Acevedo who was inspired by history 500 years ago, America's first wines were produced here at Ocoa Bay.
[Gabriel Acevedo, Resort Developer:] We were labeled as crazy, probably because I wasn't agronomist, but an architect, that we even dared to plant 10,000 square meters of grape vines.
[Defterios:] Sustainability is a key factor in Ocoa Bay's business portfolio, one he says is a gamechanger for the Dominican Republic.
[Acevedeo:] Ocoa Bay has three pillars. One is the production of high quality wine and fruit cultivation. The others are the hotels and the real estate sectors.
[Defterios:] Villas start off at a price of $135 per square meter. Developers are relying on the land's unique dry climate, which receives on average of 600 millimeters of rainfall per year to sustain the country's first wine producing vineyard, intriguing buyers and tourists alike. The construction of the first 30 ecological and vineyard villas are scheduled to begin in December. Out of these, 33 percent of the villas are pre-sold. While high-end real estate companies like Christies are already adding Ocoa Bay [ph to their exclusive listing.
[Unidentified Male:] You don't have anywhere in the world the possibility to live inside a vineyard and to own your own private vineyard. So you will be able to produce your own wine. You have several options to do what you want to do with the grape that you're going to grow in the garden.
[Defterios:] In just over two years, Ocoa Bay has had five successful wine harvests, vines produced are low, but quality is high. The price per bottle starts at $15, but in the bar high for still young wine producing market.
[Acevedo:] It's the new Napa Valley of the Caribbean, the new Bordeaux or Rioja, a unique and new destination in the Caribbean.
[Defterios:] John Defterios, CNN.

[Tapper:] Hello there. I'm Jake Tapper. Welcome back to THE LEAD. In more world news, intelligence officials have long worried about ISIS and other terrorist groups recruiting and luring Americans or those with western passports to the battlefield of the Middle East to wage jihad. It is no secret from the slickly produced videos and from intelligence reports that westerners are among the ranks of ISIS fighters including Americans, the man who talks to the camera in those horrific videos showing the murders of journalists, Steven Sotloff and James Foley. He spoke with what sounds like a British accent. Today, new information about three Denver teenage girls, who are believed to have communicated with ISIS, and who were stopped by authorities in Germany last month while allegedly trying to join the fight in Syria. CNN's justice correspondent, Pamela Brown, joins us now with details on how these American teenage girls from Denver became radicalized Pamela.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, Jake, U.S. law enforcement officials I've been speaking with say this case is particularly alarming. We are now learning the Denver teams were interacting online with other westerners, who had already made it to Syria and were trying to convince the teens to do the same. And officials say this case yielded a wealth of information that shows just how ISIS is using westerners already in its ranks to recruit others through social media.
[Brown:] CNN has learned hardened jihadists currently fighting with ISIS overseas had direct contact with three Denver teens, 15 and 17-year-old sisters and their 16-year-old friend, using social media to lure them to jihad.
[Daveed Gartenstein-ross, Foundation For Defense Of Democracies:] These were role models to them and people they could be in contact with and social media who was more immediate and allows you to immerse yourself in an extremist environment being used as a recruiting platform.
[Brown:] A law enforcement official says some of the jihadist recruiters were westerners fighting in Syria. They were encouraging the girls to join ISIS even giving them a road map of how to go from Denver all the way to Syria and eventually link up with the brutal terrorist group.
[Gartenstein-ross:] If their interest is extremism rather than simply reading an article or posted a message board they can interact in real time with other people through tweets and this is very immersive to them.
[Brown:] In October the teens made it half way to Syria before they were stopped by authorities in Frankfurt, Germany. After the teens didn't show up for school their parents alerted authorities, who found a treasure trove of information on the teen's social media profiles.
[Rita Katz, Site Intelligence Group:] The recruitment was done online. We were able to compare social media postings of the same girls before they became radicalized and after they were radicalized.
[Brown:] The SITE Intelligence Group tracks international terrorists and analyzed the teen's online activity.
[Katz:] The same girl that was asked one day how many hours of music do you listen to on a daily basis and she used to say, I don't know. I can't count, but I dance and I listen to music hours and hours and then a few months later she was asked how many hours of music you listen to she said music is forbidden.
[Brown:] U.S. officials say this case is a unique opportunity to track efforts by terrorist groups to recruit westerners. ISIS members have successfully played a role of recruiting several Americans online including Minnesota native, Douglas McCain, who was killed in Syria in August. SITE Intelligence says the Denver teens were communicating with both men and women recruiters.
[Katz:] The girls were in communication with ISIS sisters online, women that are dedicated to recruit women.
[Brown:] And this case reflects a relatively new phenomenon of American teens being lured through social media to fight in Syria. Jake, at this point the girls have not face any charges and the case is ongoing Jake.
[Tapper:] Pamela, why haven't they faced any charges?
[Brown:] I've been asking officials that question for the past several weeks as I've continued to focus on this story, Jake, and essentially the federal system is just not equipped to bring federal charges, terrorism charges in particular against juveniles. And I think that is sort of inhibiting authorities from being able to bring federal charges against the teens. They don't want to send the wrong message. In this case it was the parent, who went to authorities and I think they don't want to deter parents from doing that. Worried that their child might be arrested and it's really interesting because in talking to authorities, Jake, there are other similar cases with American teens, who have been radicalized, and we don't even know about them yet because they weren't charged Jake.
[Tapper:] Interesting. Pamela Brown, thank you so much. An Israeli border police officer is now in custody arrested for the death of a Palestinian teen. A warning that the video we're about to show might be disturbing to some videos. That 16 year-old Palestinian teen was killed back in May along with another teen. Surveillance video from today shows a crowd ducking from gun fire and then you see a teen fall to the ground. The same thing happened about an hour later when the second teen passed the area. Only CNN cameras were rolling that day, capturing the gun fire on film. Israeli police initially said only rubber bullets were fired, but now autopsy results show one teen was hit by live ammunition. The situation on the ground in Israel in the Palestinian territories has remained tense. Earlier this week, an Israeli soldier was stabbed to death in Tel Aviv and three Israelis were stabbed in a hitchhiking post in the west bank. Wolf Blitzer is now here with a preview of "THE SITUATION ROOM." You are going to be talking foreign policy with some key members of Congress today.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Host, "the Situation Room":] We have Ed Royce, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He is going to be joining us. It's very disturbing you showed it. We'll go in depth a little bit on this video. These three American sailors, they get off a U.S. warship, the USS Ross. They're in Istanbul and all of a sudden they're mugged by this crowd of young Turks. You saw them putting their bags on their heads and shouting death to Yankees and down with Americans and all of that. It's pretty disturbing remember Turkey is a NATO ally. We're going to speak with Chairman Royce and see what's going on.
[Tapper:] Eight hundred thousand American tourists visit Turkey every year. Wolf Blitzer, we'll be watching in 7 minutes on "THE SITUATION ROOM." Coming up next, an all-star line up to honor troops and veterans, but some performers are being criticized today for going too far. What they say that has some people upset next.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news just in to CNN, no air pockets found on the capsized South Korean ferry as divers find more bodies of those trapped in the sinking ship. We are live with the details.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] Also happening right now an intense underwater search for missing Malaysian Airline Flight 370. The Bluefin-21 submarine has covered 80 percent of that prime search area without finding a single piece of debris. Could hope of finding the vanished jetliner be fading fast? Might they need to regroup with the new plan? We'll also take you live to Perth, Australia.
[Berman:] And President Obama arriving shortly in Japan, beginning week long diplomatic tour through Asia. But, it is one Asian world power he will not be visiting that will end up monopolizing the conversation. We're live in Tokyo. Good morning, everyone. Great to see you this Wednesday morning. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Harlow:] And I'm Poppy Harlow. It is 5:00 a.m. here on the East Coast. Wednesday, April 23rd. We begin with breaking news from South Korea, where officials now confirm to CNN, the divers have not found any air pockets on the third and fourth floor of the capsized ferry. This morning, they are looking for survivors, but they're only finding victims. The death toll now stands at 150, roughly the same number are still missing. We are finding new details of what happened in the moments after passengers and crew realized there was something wrong. Let's go straight to CNN's international senior correspondent Nic Robertson in Jindo, South Korea. Nic, what can you tell us?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Poppy, this latest news we are hearing from the divers that they found no pockets on the third and fourth level of the ship is perhaps going to be a: [a] a grim milestone, and [b], a turning point here, because the hope had been the air pockets would be where some of the students would be holding out. They were believed to be on the third and fourth floor. Now, of course, divers haven't searched the whole ship, there may be air pockets elsewhere aboard somewhere else on the ship. But the focus was the third and fourth floor where the students were believed to be. So, it is potentially beginning to move from a rescue to recovery operation. That is not being said by government or any officials here at the moment. What we are hearing from the divers really is very bad news for many of the families who are waiting. The divers are only searching the third and fourth levels at the moment. They would be able to bring out bodies. If there was hope, that they thought there would be people surviving on other levels of the ship, they would be focusing on that, having essentially declared that they won't find anyone alive on those two levels they're searching right now. So, it's not good news at all this day. They continue to bring up or as we continue to see the police maritime ships, bring those bodies ashore. But for the family, today, it's been another tough day of waiting. A memorial service in a school near Seoul where many of the children attended school, even before their parents know what's happened to their children. So, this news, very tough news for everyone here, Poppy.
[Harlow:] And, Nic, we also know that the offices of the ferry operator, along with the residential home of the owner being searched by authorities because there are so many questions of how this all happened. You've got nine arrests of crew members. And at the same time, news now that a young boy, a passenger first called emergency officials three minutes before any of the crew sent a distress signal. Is that right?
[Robertson:] It is. It's incredible. At 8:52 in the morning, the young boy called the 119 emergency service here. They try to connect him with the coast guard. The coast guard is asking for latitude and longitude, which, of course, he didn't have. His message was simply: help us, the ship is sinking. It's three minutes after that before the ship's crew actually called the maritime emergency services to try to get help for the ship. There were also other calls made by passengers on board to emergency services as well because they were panicking about the situation. The search now, as well, we are hearing that the owners of the ship that their premises and offices have been searched, again, will be very troubling. The crew members, senior crew members arrested, these offices being searched. We have heard as many as 30 senior members of the company that ran this shipping line may be under scrutiny at this time as well Poppy.
[Harlow:] So many questions, and your heart breaks for the families. As those bodies as you said, Nic, have been coming in behind you ship after ship and the grieving parents waiting for news. Thank you. Appreciate the report this morning.
[Berman:] Five minutes after the hour right now. Breaking news overnight in the search of Flight 370, Australia's prime minister is speaking out, promising to keep looking for the jet, which is now missing jet. But the prime minister also indicating that the strategy may soon change, also saying the search will not go on forever. This is ten underwater missions are complete with no sign yet, at all, of any debris from the missing Boeing 777. Bad weather today is hampering the search from the air. The planes were forced to turn back because of the remnants of a tropical cyclone over the search zone. We are expecting an update from Malaysian officials in just about an hour. Stay with us for that. In the meantime, Erin McLaughlin live in Perth with the latest on the search this morning. And, Erin, we do understand you have some new information.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, John. We have new information from the Joint Agency Coordination Center, responsible for organizing the search efforts here in Perth, telling us that western Australian police have attended to a report of material washed ashore, of 10 kilometers east of Augusta in Australia. They have secured the material. They say the Australian Transportation and Safety Bureau is currently examining these photographs to see if it has any relevance to the search for MH370. The ATSB provided photos to the Malaysian investigation team as well. We have reached out to the western Australian police for comment on the latest development. No comment so far. But there have been plenty of leads in this search, John, so I think it's important to say that authorities really make a point of considering all these leads and trying to rule them in or either rule them out as being potentially connected to missing Flight 370. The last lead we heard of was an oil slick discovered in the vicinity of the Australian vessel, the Ocean Shield. There was speculation at the time that potentially it was from the engine of MH370. But later, exhaustive testing rules that out. So, I think it's important to treat these kinds of leads with caution. But again, the Joint Agency Coordination Center saying a report of material washed ashore 10 kilometers east of Augusta, they secured the vehicle and the ATSB currently looking at it.
[Berman:] As you said, the list of leads that have existed over the last month and a half is long and fruitless, from satellite pictures to debris spotted from the airplanes, you know, to apparently the oil slick and of course, we don't know about those pings that were heard under water. Nevertheless, it is interesting that they did tell us at least about this debris that they are looking at that washed upon shore. It's been one of the lingering question for some time, six weeks after they believe this plane disappeared. You know, if it disappeared where they said it did, would there be any sign on shore of debris and when might that happen?
[Mclaughlin:] Absolutely. And it must be said, that hours and hours and hours of searching by plane, by satellite, by sea, scouring the ocean for physical signs of MH370. They have all turned up to be garbage at this point. That effort continuing in earnest, despite the fact that Australian authorities said it's looking less and less likely that they are going to find debris from the missing plane. So, certainly, if it did you want turn out to be from MH370, it's the first physical piece of evidence they have discovered so far. But again, treating the leads with caution, authorities are working to rule them in or out at this point John.
[Berman:] All right. Erin McLaughlin live for us in Perth, with the news Australian officials are looking at objects that washed up on shore. They are analyzing them. There's a news conference expected within an hour from Malaysian officials. Perhaps we'll hear more then. Our thanks to Erin for that.
[Harlow:] Yes, 6:00 a.m. Eastern Time, we'll bring it live here on CNN and give you the latest as soon as we have it. If they do have some sort of objects, we should hope to get some sort of answers soon. All right. Also, now, in just a few hours, President Obama touching down in Tokyo for the first leg of a long delayed trip to Asia. He will visit South Korea, Malaysia and the Philippines. But, first, he will spend time in Japan. Our White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski is live in Tokyo. Michelle, this is a trip that was planned for October then delayed because of the government shutdown. It is now happening. What's the goal?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Right. And this is a really important trip for the U.S. and for these four countries that the president will visit with. I guess if you could pick a sort of overarching theme, it would be relationships and reassurance, kind of affirming and redefining the U.S. commitment to this region both in the short and long term. These are some of America's closest allies, but, you know, that doesn't mean there aren't problems or tensions. Here in Japan, the focus will be trade, trying to hammer out this transpacific partnership, a trade deal. But with Japan at least, talks are at a stalemate and the credibility of both sides to affect progress has been called into question. Other countries have different issues, but no less serious, maybe even more serious, you might say. South Korea, of course, it's the North Korean threat. The U.S. has a security commitment to this region as well. And when you look at Malaysia and the Philippines, they are both involved in territorial disputes with China. So, you know that relationship, as well, sort of overshadows a lot of the discussions that will happen on this trip. I mean, the U.S. doesn't want to set up a stance so it seems like China is on the opposite side or these countries, in the meetings feel like for the future, they need to choose between an alignment with the U.S. or an alignment with China. The key is to strike a balance and lay some more groundwork for cooperation on all sides, if possible Poppy.
[Harlow:] Absolutely. We'll check in with you later on as you continue to travel with the president. I appreciate you reporting this morning. Thank you, Michelle. Well, the crisis in Ukraine escalating. Ukraine and Russia blaming one another for this uprising in the eastern part of the country. Is civil war imminent? We will take you live there straight ahead.
[Berman:] Plus, we have details this morning in the high school student that police say flew from California to Hawaii in the wheel well of the plane. New information about why he may have done it. That's coming up next.

[Fareed Zakaria:] Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. I'm Fareed Zakaria. We'll start today's show with something Americans see as a bigger threat than Iran Russia, North Korea, or China. ISIS. We'll help you sort fact from fiction on the rise of these terrorists, their aspirations, and their true power today. And we'll give you a rare glimpse deep inside ISIS-held territory.
[Unidentified Male:] I think you must know your enemy if you want to defeat him.
[Zakaria:] What is it like to live in the so-called Islamic State? You'll find out. Also, the Supreme Court is about to hear arguments on gay marriage, so we'll look at some global lessons on the subject. Does the institution of marriage crumble because gay people want in? We now have evidence instead of hot air with which to analyze the claim. Then there are lots of people telling you how to build up your resume, but how do you build your character? David Brooks has written a book that debuted at the number one spot on "The New York Times" best- seller list. He will tell you how to be good. Also, how the biggest hedge fund manager in the world runs his business every day. Finally, an extraordinary birthday party in space. But first, here is my take. The discussion of Hillary Clinton's candidacy has so far thoroughly explored her video announcement, restaurant choices, clothes, health, ethics, and of course, her husband. Relatively little attention has been devoted to her ideas or the ones that should animate her campaign. The easiest way for Clinton to change the conversation would be to put out some big policy proposals, and it would be good for the country as well. There are two broad themes up for grabs for the next election, reform and investment. Marco Rubio has staked out his claim as the champion of reform. In his latest book and other places, Rubio has argued intelligently for a revamping or replacement of old systems that don't address today's needs. Some of his ideas are standard fare Republican rhetoric, others are fresh and even surprising. America, like most advanced industrial countries, needs reform and restructuring. Regulations pile up and lobbies fight hard to keep benefits for established industries. The tax code is a corrupt mess. But is this the greatest and most urgent problem facing the U.S. today? When you compare America to the rest of the world, it does not seem to be hobbled by inefficiencies. In the World Economic Forum's latest global competiveness report, the United States ranks third. This is why America has outperformed almost every other advanced economy since the global crisis of 2008. On the other hand, America is in dire need of investment in physical and human capital. In the same World Economic Forum report, the United States ranks 12th in overall infrastructure, 24th in the quality of its electricity supply, and a stunning 101st in mobile telephone subscriptions. The American Society of Civil Engineers details the dangers. Let me paraphrase from its most recent report card for America's infrastructure. The average age of the country's 84,000 dams is 52 years, and of its 607,000 odd bridges, 42 years. 42 percent of the country's major urban highways are congested, which costs the economy an estimated $101 billion in wasted time and fuel every year. The need for investment in human capital is less visible but, in fact, more urgent. Social mobility, the ability to rise out of the economic class you were born into, has stalled in America in large measure because poor children have inadequate nutrition, child care, and education. As "The New York Times" columnist Eduardo Porter has noted, the United States is virtually alone among rich countries in that it spends substantially less on educating poor children compared to privileged ones. In New York, for example, local government spends about $26,000 per child in the richest neighborhoods compared with just $13,000 in the poorest neighborhoods. Another crucial investment should be in science and research. The federal government is spending less as a percentage of GDP in these areas than it did in the 1970s. This has things backwards. In that era America still had a large industrial economy with tens of millions of jobs available for people with only high school degrees. Today those jobs in manufacturing and steel and automobiles are all in China. The United States needs to create jobs in sectors and industries of the future. We should really be investing much more, not less, in science at this point. Even Newt Gingrich has suggested doubling the budget of the National Institutes of Health. I would propose more broadly that Washington set a goal to double the percent that the federal government spends on basic research. Now if Hillary Clinton starts talking relentlessly about investing in America, maybe the press will stop asking her what kind of burrito she ordered. For more, go to CNN.comfareed and read my "Washington Post" column this week. And let's get started. Terror was once again atop the news this week. On Thursday the president announced the deaths of two American al Qaeda leaders as well as two Western hostages in airstrikes in the AFPAC border region. And Yemen's chaos continues to attract jihadi groups from around the Middle East including ISIS. Let's talk about it all with a couple of terrific guests. Philip Mudd was deputy director of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center. He is now a CNN counterterrorism analyst and he's the author of a new book "The Head Game." And Emma Sky arrived in Iraq in 2003 and finally left in 2010. Her last role was as political adviser to Ray Odierno when he was the commanding general of U.S. and allied forces there. She is the author of a new book about her experiences in that country, "The Unraveling: High Hopes and Missed Opportunities in Iraq." So, Phil, first talk about this strike and about the hostages. We forget that al Qaeda is still around. What did you make of this operation?
[Philip Mudd, Cnn Counterterrorism Analyst:] Well, tragic, but inevitable. What you have here is what we call a signature strike. That is 10 years ago you might have looked at a specific individual and used a drone to strike that individual. There is a transition to say if we see a pattern of activity where we think there are al Qaeda fighters in a compound, you can surveil that compound for potentially, in this case, several hundred hours, determine if there are women or children present, and hit a target that might include dozens of people. The tragedy in this case is no matter how long you surveil that compound, you're not going to know if there are hostages inside. This is a tragedy of war.
[Zakaria:] Because the hostages will not be moving around.
[Mudd:] That's correct.
[Zakaria:] They'll be hidden in some basement or something.
[Mudd:] That's correct. You're going to spend a lot of time ensuring that you limit the number of innocents who are killed. But if you're going to have hostages inside a building there's no way you have a drone that can look inside that building and determine what's in there. So this is tragic but I'm not sure it's avoidable.
[Zakaria:] Let's talk about other American military operations. The ones against ISIS in Iraq. What is your sense? The United States has staked its anti-ISIS campaign really on Iraq much more than Syria. How is it going?
[Emma Sky, Author, "the Unraveling":] In the last few weeks you can see there've been good gains made against ISIS. When you look at the summer, ISIS was storming across Iraq. Now ISIS has lost 20 percent to 30 percent of the territory it had gained. It has lost 10,000 of its fighters. Recently the battle of Tikrit, U.S. air power made the difference there and ISIS has been pushed out of Tikrit. However, it's still able to launch operations as we have seen in Ramadi and in Irbil.
[Zakaria:] What do you make of ISIS'ability to govern these territories? Because that's the that's to me the interesting thing is. They take over these places. What happens when they start to trying to govern them?
[Mudd:] Very limited capabilities. We've seen this since the 1990s when you had Egyptian and Algerian groups trying to take over in those countries. No capability to transition from intimidating a population to governing a population. The problem we have in America in assessing movements like this is we want to look at what happened over the past week, whether they took Tikrit, whether they took Ramadi. The real question is over the course of years, once they take bits of territory, can they provide schooling, can they provide medicine? And the answer over time is no. The problem is that takes a lot of blood and lot of time to figure that out.
[Zakaria:] And ISIS is not any better because people keep you know, the argument is they're better than al Qaeda at this stuff.
[Mudd:] I don't think so. I think a lot of these groups have a motivation that says, look, we're motivated by god, by a book, to proceed along the line we've taken, and therefore there is no compromise. I think what you'd find even among some Sunni villagers today in Iraq is while these guys might be better initially than a Shia government but over the course of months or years they do not provide a future or solution.
[Zakaria:] So that's the interesting question. Better than a Shia government. Because a lot of the you know, maybe not attraction to ISIS but the reason ISIS has been able to make gains in Iraq certainly and also in Syria is the Sunnis don't like being ruled by the Shiites in one case, the Alawites in another. That Sunni rage that's fueling it. Is that changing you think?
[Sky:] I think it's not just about being ruled by Shia. It's about the type of government. When you look at 2007 to 2009, violence came down dramatically due to the surge. Everybody in Iraq and ourselves thought Iraq was moving in the right direction. People believed in the political process. Unfortunately, what happened in 2010 was the party that won the election didn't have
[Zakaria:] See, we always think there's a technocratic fix. If we give the Iraqi army more weapons when there's usually a political fix which is hard for us to do. Do you think, Phil, we can defeat ISIS?
[Mudd:] I don't. I think there's an interesting conversation nationally led by the president that says that has to be our goal. I look around the world as a counterterrorism guy from the CIA and say, where have we won? Pakistan? Afghanistan? Have we won in Yemen? Have we won in Somalia yet? Have we won in places like the answer is we can win against segments of groups that conduct acts of terrorism. We can't win against an Islamic idea. That's for local populations, regional populations to win. So our objective, frankly, shouldn't be winning. That's an American concept. Our objective should be ensuring that people in America stay safe, meanwhile enabling governments overseas to carry the political message, the religious message that can lead to peace but I don't think we can win again these groups.
[Zakaria:] And when you look at the widening regional dimension, so if you look at what's going on in Yemen where Saudi Arabia has intervened, really essentially invaded Yemen, intervened into a foreign country, what is going on there you think?
[Sky:] I think this is all another outcome of the Iraq war, the war and the way in which Obama administration left Iraq, left Iraq as a very weak state and changed the balance of the power in the region in Iran's favor. And this has set off this geopolitical competition between Iran and the Gulf States and turns local grievances into this regional proxy war that we're seeing in Yemen.
[Zakaria:] Bottom line, Phil, are Americans threatened by all this? Should we care?
[Mudd:] I think we should care about the small segments of these groups that might send people to New York or Washington. We should enable governments to go against the major players on the ground like ISIS, but most 98 percent of ISIS, not a problem in New York or Washington.
[Zakaria:] Fascinating conversation and two terrific books, "The Unraveling" and "The Head Game." We're going to have you on, Phil, to talk about this is about making decisions.
[Mudd:] Yes.
[Zakaria:] We've got to talk about that. Next on GPS, an extraordinary chance to witness life inside ISIS territory. A German journalist dared to go there even after the beheadings. The footage he brought out is chilling. You won't want to miss this.

[Baldwin:] We want to take you live now to Fort Hood as we are waiting this memorial service to begin. Take a listen.
[Announcer:] Ladies and gentlemen, Chaplain Colonel Matthew Gough.
[Chaplain Colonel Matthew Gough:] Would you bow your heads as we pray, Almighty God, as we enter this sacred moment of memorial, we pause to acknowledge you, the God of all comfort and mercy. We ask that you would be with us, collectively and individually and bring healing as we remember and honor our three fallen comrades, Daniel, Carlos, and Timothy. Walk with us to console and sustain us. Encourage us by your spirit and by the presence of family and friends that gather around us, walk beside us and lift our broken hearts. And now as we grieve the loss of these three men we thank you for their selfless service and for the legacy that they leave behind. Bless their memory and may our thoughts of them and your healing touch sustain each soldier, family and friend in the days ahead in your holy name we pray. Amen.
[Announcer:] Please be seated. Ladies and gentlemen, the commanding general of the Third Armored Corps in Fort Hood, Lieutenant General Mark A. Milley.
[Lt. General Mark Milley, Commander, Fort Hood:] President and Mrs. Obama, Deputy Secretary of Defense Fox, Secretary McCue, General and Mrs. Dempsey, General and Mrs. Odierno, Lieutenant Governor Duhurst, distinguished visitors from our nation's capital in the state of Texas, soldiers and civilians and most of all the families and friends of our fallen and wounded warriors. Thank you all so very deeply for being here today and we sincerely in our heart of hearts appreciate your presence and your support and your compassion as we struggle through a very difficult time. Today we mourn. We mourn for those we lost one week ago on April 2nd and today we honor the lives they led. The three fallen soldiers came from hometowns as far apart as Puerto Rico and Central Illinois. They had different hobbies and passions and they all had different lives, but they were united by a single desire, a desire to serve their country and their willingness to answer their nation's call in time of war. To the families of the fallen, we want you all to know that we here at Fort Hood, we here in Central Texas, we here in the United States Army and the entire nation want you to know that we stand with you, that we grieve with you, and that we will be here for you not just today, not just tomorrow, but forever. You are in our hearts and in our prayers and we will never forget your loved ones' sacrifice for our nation. To the soldiers who were wounded and to your families we wish you all a full and complete and speedy recovery. And we here at Hood will stop at absolutely nothing to make sure that you and your families have the resources and care that you need to heal. Many of you demonstrated exceptional valor in the face of danger and your strength is an inspiration to us all. To the heroic first responders who risked their very lives and to the medical teams who cared for the wounded and the fallen, thank you all for not only what you did on 2 April, but what you do every single day in the line of duty. To the Central Texas community and to the people all over the country and literally all over the world, who have reached out to us here at Fort Hood during this terrible time, your compassion gives us all greater strength. Yes, today is a day of mourning. A day of mourning for the fallen. It is also a day to honor their lives and the service of Staff Sergeant Rodriguez, Sergeant Timothy Owens and Sergeant First Class Daniel Ferguson, each made the ultimate sacrifice here at home. Among their brothers and sisters in arms. The pain of losing our comrades cannot extinguish the memory of what made each of them unique and so much beloved. Staff Sergeant Carlos Rodriguez came from a close knit family in Acuadia, Puerto Rico. He enlisted at 18. He deployed once to Kuwait and twice to Iraq and he provided critical and logistical support to units as far as Fort Bragg and Hawaii. During almost 20 years of selfless service, he earned numerous decorations including the the combat action badge and on April 2nd, he was tragically just months away from a well-earned retirement. And he is survived by his son, his parents, his sisters and a brother who are here today with us. Sergeant Timothy Owens was from Epingham, a small town in Central Illinois. He loved baseball and football and wrestling and taekwando so much so that he became a black belt and taught martial arts before joining the army in 2004. He served as a heavy vehicle driver and was stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia, and in Kuwait before moving here to Fort Hood in 2011. In 2005, he deployed for an entire year in support of "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and there he earned his combat action badge under fire. He is survived by his wife, three children and his mother who join us today. And Sergeant First Class Daniel Ferguson grew up in small town, Mulberry, Florida. He played football and baseball and basketball. He also ran track. In his two decades of military service he was stationed in Italy, Germany and bases throughout the United States. And he, too, deployed to Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan. And he, too, earned many awards for outstanding service including a Bronze star and three service medals. And on that day, the second of April, one week ago, Sergeant Ferguson died a hero. He was shot as he held a door closed to protect a room full of other soldiers. He put himself in the line of fire to save them. And he is survived by his daughter, his parents, his brothers and sisters, and at the time of his death, he was engaged to be married. Every member of the United States military is here today is proud to have served alongside these three soldiers and they are part of eternity now, but they are not God. They are not forgotten and they never will be. They endure. They endure in the hearts of those who love them and in the memories of the 140,000 soldiers and civilians who make up the Fort Hood community. We will honor our fallen not today but every day. Every day that is to come we will honor them by striving to be worthy of their sacrifice. In this time of tragedy we see the true strength of our community and our people. They say all of you here at Fort Hood and all in Central Texas have been through the fire and you are strong and more determined than ever. And although this day is a day of grief, it is also a day of pride. Pride in the military police woman who bravely faced down the gunman and helped to end that violence. Many would have taken a step back and sought cover. She took a step forward. And the chaplain who was here with us today was injured and the wounded soldiers who stayed cool under fire, provided first aid to themselves and others and had the presence of mind to dial 911 even though they were wounded. Many took the side of action. Pride in the health care professionals who rapidly cared for 16 wounded soldiers. And the many, many caring men and women who have reached out to us with donations and other acts of service and above all, pride in the service and sacrifice of Staff Sergeant Rodriguez, Sergeant Owens and Sergeant First Class Ferguson. Each of whom gave that last full measure of devotion to their country. To the families of the fallen, to the wounded warriors and loved ones, to everyone in our community in need of healing, may God bless each and every one of you and give you peace. Thank you for being with us today. I ask that you take care of yourselves. Remember the fallen in your families and prayers. Take care of each other, phantom warriors, army strong.
[Announcer:] Ladies and gentlemen, the chief of staff of the army, General Raymond T. Odierno.
[General Raymond T. Odierno, Army Chief Of Staff:] Good afternoon, everyone. We come together today to care for our soldiers and their families who together have sacrificed so much over the last 13 years of war. We come together as an army family to grieve the sudden and tragic loss of four of our own. We come together to help 16 wounded soldiers heal and we come together to stand beside the families of the fallen and injured in their time of need. President and Mrs. Obama, your presence here today speaks numerous volumes of your unwavering support and compassion for our soldiers and their families. Distinguished members of Congress, thank you for coming down here today. Deputy Secretary of Defense Fox, Secretary of the Army McCue, the great leader of our army, General and Mrs. Dempsey, the chairman, Lt. Governor Duhurst and other distinguished state leaders, thank you for your support, thank you for your contributions to Fort Hood. But most importantly, I want to thank the soldiers, the families and civilians of Fort Hood and the surrounding community. I want to thank Lieutenant General Mark Milley and Commanders Major Scott Shroader. We are fortunate to have such experienced dedicated leaders to guide us through these difficult days. Our job as leaders is to prepare soldiers for the chaos of war. The loss of any soldier in any circumstance is a tragedy for a unit or for a family. Yet somehow the loss of comrades in the heat of battle is a risk that we understand and with time we can accept. That these soldiers were lost on American soil and at the hands of one of our own makes this tragedy heart breaking and inexplicable. This especially hits home for Linda and I because Fort Hood and the greater central community has been my family's home away from home for more than seven years. Having served here as the commander of a brigade, the fourth infantry and more. I have experienced the warmth and resiliency of the soldiers and community. The Fort Hood family has been central to the army's success over the last 13 years of war sharing in our victories and grieving when we lost those dearest to us. You were there for us and for our families when we deployed forces whether it be to Iraq or Afghanistan. You were there for us when we struggled to understand and recover from the events of November 5, 2009, and the loss of 13 people. Today we are all here to tell you and to show you that our army and our nation are here for you. We cannot help but feel the echoes of that most horrible day in the tragedy we now face. For many the events last week reopened the wounds of five years ago. We are heartbroken that the same units and soldiers, families and communities who have supported unit after unit deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and sacrificed so much must endure yet another burden. We must learn from the events and support and heal one another. We must come together to identify the risk factors that lead to violence. To address the challenges of mental illness. To enhance the resiliency of our families. Any time a soldier believes that hurting oneself or others is a solution, we must insure that the army family is there for them to show them another way forward and to lift them from their despair. Lost to us on Wednesday were three soldiers were more than 50 years of service to the United States Army. First class Danny Ferguson served for nearly 21 years across the country and around the world including four deployments. His fiance shared with us that the army was Danny's life. He was proud to be part of a great service. Staff Sergeant Rodriguez followed in the footsteps of his father to enlist from his hometown. During his nearly 20 years, Carlos was known for being a meticulous soldier, leading from the front with a tough but kind down to earth nature. Sergeant Timothy Owens enlisted in the army in 2004 and served for more than ten years as a motor transport operator including two deployments to Iraq and Kuwait. The loss of these three soldiers is a terrible tragedy to our army family. Our hearts and prayers go out to each of the soldiers' families and their units. Every day we learn from witnesses and the wounded about the heroic actions of first responders who prevented the loss of even more lives. We are indebted to the first military police officer on the scene, a soldier in the 89th military police brigade who advanced alone to confront the shooter in an effort to stop the rampage. Then there is the heroism of Sergeant First Class Ferguson and Major Patrick Miller who were injured while trying to save the lives of many soldiers. We are grateful for the rapid reaction and exceptional reactions of first responders and medical triage teams whose actions were nothing short of extraordinary. There are certain people who are able to step up in the most difficult times and do something heroic. No one quite understands what characteristics will cause someone to display incredible courage or sacrifice to their own safety. But we see it time and time again from the soldiers of this great army. The large majority have shown incredible resiliency and personal growth in the face of repeated deployments as well as the normal stress of our everyday lives, but there are some who struggle to bounce back and find peace among life's challenges. We do not know why one soldier is strengthened in tough times and another cannot see a way forward, but we must and we will be there for them. In the days and months ahead, our highest priority will be to care for wounded service members, their families and the families of the fallen. We will do everything within our power to investigate every detail to learn, to adapt and to protect our most valuable resource, the men and women of our U.S. Army. I have once again been touched by the strength of the American spirit that our country was built upon. I'm inspired by the stories about soldiers, families, civilians, communities, businesses, and private organizations giving so generously of themselves their resources. The family readiness groups, the Red Cross, the USO and local businesses who immediately reached out to our Fort Hood family. As we have during other difficult times, we will have strength in unity. We will all stand together as a community. We will all stand together as an army and we will all stand together as a nation. We will lift each other up with our compassion, our strength, and resilience because that's who we are. The strength of our nation is our Army. The strength of our Army is our soldiers. The strength of our soldiers is our families, and that's what makes us Army strong. Thank you very much.

[Doc Rivers, Head Coach And Senior Vice President Of Basketball Operations, Nba Los Angeles Clippers:] Bottom coach of the team right now and I actually don't know, you know, who to call if I need something, you know. And so, the quicker that this is done, the better for everyone, having said that, is going to take time and we all have to be patient.
[Unidentified Male:] And could I also ask you just, obviously, the players, yourself, you're a very wealthy man, at the same time, you're in a situation you're working for a man who has these views, how insulting is it to you as a human being to be working for a man who express these views?
[Rivers:] Well, that's the difficult part and that's over the last three or four days, it's been very difficult, you know. That matter the wealth, to be honest that you could be making nothing. You want to work for someone that had at least shares your values or respects, and they don't have to actually share them, but they have to respect them. And that's difficult, you know. And it's best seen when you're working in a company that when you do your job, you have it on your chest, you know. I think that's hard, right. I got to wear a suit and tie the other night, but I had a sense that that was very hard for the players, you know. They have to wear that. And I think that was hard for them. I really do.
[Unidentified Male:] Doc, you said excuse me. You said that you are in film and then you told them about the decision that Adam Silver that handed down and then you said what you needed to say to them. What did you need to say them or what did you tell them?
[Rivers:] Well, that would be private, that part. I just, you know, a lot of it was just how much I admire them and how they try to handle this. And just to let them know that this was some closure, but there's still work to do. And, you know, I just thought that they set a very good example around the league on how they conducted themselves.
[Unidentified Male:] Doc, you said you expected an amazing crowd tonight. A couple of nights ago, you had questions about it and you get no feedback between now and in the
[Rivers:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I'm hoping too. Maybe that's part of it. Yeah. I think the mayor has been great by the way. And what he said today, Kevin Johnson, you know, has joke me, "I liked him again." You know, it's amazing, right? He's been great. He was great what he said today. I didn't know he can speak so well, so eloquently, my goodness. But, just derailing that this is not just Clippers or Lakers or L.A., this is some bigger and support this team. And again, I go back to the 14 guys that we dressed or that are, you know, that are players, they did nothing wrong and they need support. And I think that that will happen.
[Unidentified Male:] Doc, would you like to see the Clippers name changed?
[Rivers:] You know, Jim, that's been asked. I don't know. I honestly, someone asked me that today and it's the first time I've heard of or thought of it with someone. I have no idea. I think wherever whatever happens, whoever if there is a new owner or change of ownership, I think all those things would be answered by someone much smarter than me. I'm not smart enough to give that answer.
[Unidentified Male:] Last two questions. [Inaudible] I just need some clarification on something you said before. I thought the union said that if they didn't like the resolution from Adam Silver, players would consider not playing. Did your players consider not playing if they did not like the resolution?
[Rivers:] They hadn't discussed it. I think they had the trust that there would be. I'm glad we don't have to find out, would be the answer.
[Unidentified Male:] Doc, you said the players made the right decision by just not doing anything and waiting for Silver. Why was that the right decision to not make some kind of major statement or sit out of game before the decision?
[Rivers:] You know, I don't know Mark. Like I said the other day, I don't know I know what I think is right and that's all I can go by. There's a lot of people who think we didn't do the right thing and then there's a lot of people who think we did. And all you can go by is what you feel like you should do. You know, I lean on a lot of things in trying to help our guys get to this decision. And like I told you, they did talk about the, you know, that at when it first not playing. You know, I thought the Black Sox and the, you know, the shirts and all that was fine. But, at the end of the day, you know, I just for me at least, I always start to lean back on people that I've learned from and, you know, from Wayne and [inaudible], you know, I talked to a lot of people, you know. And my father who's no longer here, he would have tell me to go do my job and don't let anyone stop you from doing your job because of what they think about you and
[Michael Smerconish, Cnn:] Good evening. I'm Michael Smerconish. A sigh of relief. That's what L.A. Clippers Coach Doc Rivers called the decision to ban team owner Don Sterling for life. Coach Rivers just concluded the first team news conference since NBA Commissioner Adam Silver delivered a swift and decisive punishment to Sterling. Commissioner Silver says Sterling admits making racist remarks and so we kicked him out of professional basketball.
[Adam Silver, Nba Commissioner:] Effective immediately, I am banning Mr. Sterling for life from any association with the Clippers organization or the NBA.
[Smerconish:] Let's get right to our discussion of Donald Sterling's banishment from the NBA. We're joined by A.C. Green, Former Professional Basketball Player who was a one-time teammate of Magic Johnson. And Judge Glenda Hatchett, she's the host of the Judge Hatchett Show, a consultant to the NBA and the NFL and she sits on the Board of Advisors of the Atlanta Falcons. A.C., let me begin with you. I thought that was an amazing briefing from Doc Rivers. He walked in, no notes, no prepared statement, just delivered it from the heart. And among the things that he said I've been taking notes, he said, you know, it's interesting that the offended party is the one that gets called on for a response. And then he said that in this particular case, Adam Silver, the NBA Commissioner, he responded for everyone. Your reaction.
[A.c. Green, Former Professional Basketball Player:] Mike, I think he did. You know, I think Adam did give a response and I think he did for every single person, past players, current players, and those who are watching from elementary school, high schools, and collegiate wise that, you know, this is not going to be tolerated the bigotry, hatred of any sort, any type of prejudice is not going to be tolerated in the league under his watch.
[Smerconish:] Judge Hatchett, here we are. We are in the midst of the NBA Playoffs. You also heard Doc Rivers. The coach say, "Hey, this was bigger than basketball."
[Judge Glenda Hatchett, Nba And Nfl Consultant:] Absolutely. It is bigger than basketball. And the Commissioner I thought was bold and swift today and did what was necessary. And I hope that the owners will take the next step to do what is necessary on their part because the Commissioner give all that he could do today. But it is bigger than basketball. And I think that some good things will come out of this. That there will hopefully be some constructive candid conversations that we need to have about healing and not just tolerating people, but understanding people because it is our diversity, it's our differences that really make us strong and we have to embrace that.
[Smerconish:] You know Judge, to your point, Doc Rivers was also asked if he have the opportunity to address that present team owner, although that might not be the case for long, what would you say to him, and he said, "Well, I'm really not sure what I'd say specifically, but I'd like to change them." I thought that was a really refreshing response.
[Hatchett:] I thought that was a wonderful response. And I absolutely think the role of Doc Rivers. I have always since he played in Atlantis a thousand years ago. And he has been absolutely marvelous I think through all of this. But isn't that what we really want? Don't we want people to go and to learn and not get more than divided in this conversation? But for there are to be some change and some understanding which I think coach really hit it when he said that.
[Smerconish:] A.C., recognizing that the game itself is far less important than the subjects we're addressing tonight, I nevertheless want to ask you, Coach River said that emotion drains energy. How in the world does his team go out and play this evening?
[Green:] Well, you know, I think they go out and play thinking that hey, you know, big brother really did step up for us today, you know. We know that actually that league, this league, Adam Silver, has all that. And so, I don't think that could have been seen the last he came up in Golden State because it was all new, all fresh. And maybe if they did make a symbolic gesture of the jerseys removing on, well, at the same time, they still knew what they and who they were representing and they still wanted to say more and do more, but I really think because of what was set out in New York, our leader of basketball, Adam Silver, stepped up and spoke for those who really couldn't speak for themselves at this time. And so, I think it's a new day, a new game, a new beginning for the Los Angeles Clippers tonight.
[Smerconish:] Judge, given your
[Hatchett:] I don't think it shows
[Smerconish:] I'm sorry. Go ahead ma'am.
[Hatchett:] No, I'm just going to say that it also shows that the players have power and they used that power. They were very clear to Mayor Johnson to say these are the things that we want, this is when we want it, and for the Commissioner to address that. So I think that we have to remember that there's an obligation on both sides contractually. And if I were representing these guys in the league, you know, I would say listen, you can't have a hostile work environment. There has to be a place that we are doing what is right for the players.
[Smerconish:] Judge, is it a given that Sterling gets out of the way? Is there a likelihood here that he may try and stand his ground and fight?
[Hatchett:] He may well do that. Now, he can't. Under the constitution of the NBA, he cannot appeal the Commissioner's decision today. He has a right to respond if the owners decide that they want to have a hearing and he has a right to present evidence at that time under the constitution. But I will tell you, I don't think his going to get to that frankly. I think that this there's going to be so much pressure for him to lead the NBA all together and not have any ownership interest because you've got sponsors, you've got fans, you've got players. We're all watching.
[Smerconish:] A.C. Green, Adidas and Samsung already announcing tonight that they're coming back to the Clippers. Is that premature?
[Green:] I don't think it's premature. I mean, I think they too were waiting and that they were making a statement, you know, that they're not going to standby in silence and not have their voice be heard and their voices removing their support, their physical support, their financial support of the Clippers. And so, I think, them coming back now that they've seen decision, I think this is a smart move. I really do. And I don't think it's premature at all because and once again, you know, you have to stand for something. You got to step up and speak when you have an opportunity and I think the sponsors are having opportunity and some of them are making that decisions that they are making and we're seeing the ramifications of that financially.
[Smerconish:] A.C., let me ask you about your former teammate Magic Johnson who [inaudible] of its own gets swept up on this because of those hateful comments that were offered. I'm not the only person thinking, I'm sure that it would be poetic justice if when all were said and done. It's Magic Johnson who owns the LA Clippers. What's the likelihood of that?
[Green:] I think it's a strong possibility. I really do and I will love to see that happen. I really he's a great man, a great leader in our community, just a great person from that standpoint. He and Cookie, they only want good. They only have been trying to do good in our society as a whole. And even the comments that were even made about him that brought his name into it, it was because he was admired for what he was done in the community and open up jobs and create an opportunities for people. And he and I share something so much alike in the fact that the message that all of this is really condemned, we're worried about what this is saying to our kids, what is this saying
[Hatchett:] Right.
[Green:] to our youth. And so, that's why it's so important for decision to be made
[Hatchett:] Yes.
[Green:] and Magic, yes, I will love for him to be the owner of the Clippers one day. I'm staying it right here, right now.
[Hatchett:] And I should have agree more. Oh yes, I still agree. Actually, tweeted back at the very beginning when it started, talk about poetic justice. If he were to lead a group of investors on this, I mean, I think that would just be absolutely [inaudible].
[Smerconish:] Your honor, thank you. A.C. Green, Judge Glenda Hatchett, we really appreciate your having been here. Thanks so much. This morning, the Clippers story was about a villain. Now, it may just be about a new hero. Did Adam Silver just rescue the NBA brand? And speaking of Silver, it looks like the Clippers may soon be after sale if the NBA Commissioner has his way. And next, I'm talking to a man who just might be one of the bidders. You ready to announce your bid tonight before you leave us? How much?
[Pat Croce, Former Owner Of Philadelphia 76ers:] No. Listen, I don't have that kind of clink, but I know where I can get it.

[Costello:] Two lawsuits have already been filed and another one is expected today over North Carolina's new voter I.D. law. The law, signed by Republican Governor Pat McCrory, is one of the most restrictive in the nation. In addition to requiring a valid photo I.D. at the polls, it also cuts the early voting period from 17 to 10 days, abolishes same-day voter registration, ends straight-party voting, and eliminates a program that allows 16 and 17-year-olds to pre-register to vote if they would be 18 years old on election day. Governor McCrory says the new law, which takes effect in 2016, is a safeguard against voter fraud.
[Gov. Pat Mccrory, , North Carolina:] You need a photo I.D. to board an airplane, to cash a check, or even apply for most government benefits. In fact, just recently both Democrats and Republicans joined together to require a valid government-issued photo I.D. to buy Sudafed at your local corner drugstore. Our right to vote deserves the similar protection.
[Costello:] Joining me now, Dale Ho with the ACLU's Voting Rights Project. Welcome.
[Dale Ho, Director, Aclu's Voting Rights Project:] Hi, thanks for having me on.
[Costello:] Thanks for being with us. You heard what the mayor said, it sounds reasonable, but you call this law disaster, why?
[Ho:] Well, with respect to the voter I.D. component, there were over 100,000 voters in North Carolina in 2012, registered voters, who voted in previous elections who don't have a government-issued photo I.D. A lot of these people are older people, a lot of them are young people who don't drive, but it goes well beyond voter I.D. The governor and the North Carolina legislature have hacked off a week of the early voting period in North Carolina. It's an absolute disaster. There are 2.5 million voters in North Carolina who use the early voting period in 2012. That's more than half of the electorate. For a lot of people who don't have flexible schedules to wait in line on election day, the choice is either early voting or not voting at all. And for the rest of us, we know what happens when a state eliminates a week of early voting. Florida did exactly that before the 2012 election
[Costello:] We have some pictures of that actually. It was a nightmare, right? The North Carolina governor says we're going to extend hours at polling places so people shouldn't have the same problem. Here's Florida's. That was really bad. People waited in line for hours and hours and hours to vote. And the same thing happened, I think, in Ohio, at some polling places at least. Again, the governor of North Carolina says, hey, we're extending the hours at these polling places so there shouldn't be this polling problem.
[Ho:] Florida actually had the same option; counties in Florida had the same option of extending their polling place hours during the early voting period and it still resulted in massive congestion at the polls. The problem is when you eliminate a whole week of the early voting period, it doesn't matter if you tack on a few extra hours here and there on the remaining days, when you lose an entire week of early voting, that's going to affect a lot of people. That's what we had in Florida, people casting their ballots after the president had given his acceptance speech. That's not how our democracy is supposed to work. We should be making it easier for people to vote, not harder.
[Costello:] And a final question because I think this is the most important point of all, does North Carolina have a voter fraud problem?
[Ho:] Absolutely not. There is no evidence of a problem of voter fraud in North Carolina, certainly not a problem of in-person voter impersonation, which a voter I.D. law is supposed to prevent, and voter fraud has nothing to do with the early voting period, or the same-day registration option that North Carolina voters are now going to lose. It's an absolute mess and going to effect African American voters the worst; 70 percent of African American voters in 2012 used the early voting period.
[Costello:] I just want to add on because there are many people who are skeptical of the American Civil Liberties Union, so according to North Carolina State's Board of Elections, it's referred only two cases of alleged voter impersonation fraud since 2004 to prosecutors. Only two cases out of 4.5 million votes cast. So take that, digest it, figure it out, Dale Ho with the ACLU, thanks for joining us this morning.
[Ho:] Thanks so much for having me on.
[Costello:] Coming up next in the NEWSROOM, searching for why. Why did a family friend kidnap a California teenager and take her to Idaho? And what do we look for to keep this from happening again?

[Becky Anderson:] France remembers and reiterates a message that we've heard a lot over the last couple of days: we will not be beaten by terror. The nation insisting it won't be changed by those attacks. Also ahead, Jewish victims of the Paris attacks are laid to rest as Israel lays out an invitation to European Jews. We're live here in Jerusalem with reaction to that. And Charlie Hebdo takes a bold step with its first edition since the attack, putting a cartoon of Islam's Prophet Mohammed on its cover once more. Hello and welcome to a special edition of Connect the World from Jerusalem. I'm Becky Anderson. We begin tonight in Israel where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the world to take a united stand against terrorism as the nation laid to rest four Jewish victims of last week's terror attacks in Paris. The bodies of all four men were flown to Jerusalem for burial. They were killed in Friday's siege of a French Kosher market. Mr. Netanyahu joining hundreds of mourners at a state funeral for the victims. Atika Shubert reports.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn International Correspondent:] There is little consolation when a life is taken so abruptly, so violently, but to the families of the four Jewish victims killed in Paris the government of Israel offered this: a funeral in the holy land, their bodies draped in prayer shawls. Israel's leading rabbis read from the Book of Psalms, clothing was torn in a show of mourning and the families lit candles for each victims: Francois-Michel Saada, 63, a father of two children who now live here in Israel; Yohan Cohen, 22, a store employee; and Yoav Hattab, 21, the son of Tunisia's chief rabbi. The wife of 45-year-old Philipe Braham lit his candle. "Philipe, my love," she said in Hebrew, "he was a great man. I said he was a person who thought first of others before himself, a wonderful husband who loved his children and lived for his children." Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered this message to the Jewish community in France.
[Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister Of Israel:] They know at the bottom of their hearts that they have one country, their historic birthright, and it will always receive them with open arms. Today, more than ever, we are the true home of all of us.
[Shubert:] Well, the funeral service has now ended and the families are walking to the site where the victims will be buried, but I just want to show you the crowds that have come out today to show their respect for the families. Thousands have come out. They've been streaming in all day from all walks of life, young and old, families have been here bringing their children and we see them carrying Israeli flags, but also the photos of the victims. And what's an especially sad thing to note here today is that not only do you see the crowds come out, but this isn't the first time this has happened. In 2012, of course, the Toulouse attack targeted a Jewish school. And some of the victims from that attack are also buried here in Givat Shaul. From Toulouse to Paris, for many here these attacks are further proof that they remained a threatened minority in France and Europe, in need of a secure home in Israel. Jordan Bounique was a friend of Yohan Cohen's. He moved here a month ago he explained because of the fear and insecurity in France. "You always feel you have to be on your guard, you have to be careful, you never feel really at home, you feel truly rejected and excluded in France," he said. "That's why I preferred to leave and live here now." There is a Hebrew word, Aliyah, it means ascent. For many Jews, moving here to Israel, a return to the promised land is Aliyah, a step closer to God, perhaps especially so in death. Atika Shubert, CNN, Jerusalem.
[Anderson:] CNN correspondent Ian Lee also in attendance at the funeral service today and you spoke to some of those who were there. What did they tell you?
[Ian Lee, Cnn Correspondent:] Becky, I wanted to get an idea of who these four men were from their family and friends. And a relative of Philipe Braham told me that he was a simple, hard-working and loving man and who didn't cause trouble to anyone. Also, the father of Yohan Cohen by his grave site when he was laying his son into the ground broke down into tears saying, "I never had a better son. You are a great person. I will look after your sister for you. And I love you." These were very much strong connections that these people had. And it was a very sad and somber day for them, too. And talking to some of their friends, too, I brought up the about possibly immigrating here to Israel and what they told me was interesting. They said, but we're French. We like living in France. We don't want to leave. But if the situation gets worse then we may be forced to move here.
[Anderson:] And that offer of Aliyah, something we will discuss as we move through this hour. For the time being, Ian, thank you very much indeed for joining us. Well, this has also been a day of grief and tribute in Paris where the first attack happened, of course, six days ago. The Muslim police officer killed in the attack on Charlie Hebdo was laid to rest in a cemetery on the city's outskirts. Ahmed Merabet was fatally shot by the gunmen pointblank outside the magazine's offices. His brother described the killers as mad people who have neither [inaudible] nor religion. Well, before that funeral, there was this solemn scene at national police headquarters. All three officers who died were honored at a ceremony presided over by the French President Francois Hollande. They awarded each of them the Order of Merit and said they died carrying out their duty with courage bravery and dignity. Mr. Hollande also said the nation as a whole has shown tremendous courage and resilience.
[Francois Hollande, President Of France:] France showed its strength, its force. Faced with fanaticism, it displayed its unity. Faced with those who wanted to fight it, and expressed its solidarity towards all the victims of terrorism.
[Anderson:] Well, some of those victims of terrorism laid to rest today both in Paris and here in Jerusalem, a day to honor and mourn those victims. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is in Paris and joins us now. So what happens next so far as what France says it will do to fight terror and what it is trying to do going forward?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] I first just want to reflect on the words of French President Francois Hollande who was very careful to emphasize that the three police officers who died in those attacks really represented the values of the republic. They represented courage, professionalism, they represented sacrifice. In his words, he said they died so that we can be free. And he named them one by one, including Franck Brinsolaro. He's a married father of two. He was assigned to be the security detail at the Charlie Hebdo offices that had been receiving death threats. He was killed in the Kouachi brother massacre. Then there's Clarissa Jean-Philippe. She was a trainee police officer, a 26-year-old shot dead on the street by the Kosher market killer. And then there's, as you mentioned, Becky, there's Ahmed Merabat, a Muslim police officer who was killed on the streets of Paris outside the Charlie Hebdo offices by one of the Kouachi brothers. And his death was caught on camera to the shock and horror of the world. His funeral was held shortly after today's ceremony. Around 800 people attended. And when his fellow police officers arrived at the funeral, they received a round of applause very poignant, very telling round of applause. You know, there's this hashtag that's been going around #IamAhmed, you know, people want to express their unity and solidarity with this Muslim police officer, one of three police officers recognized today for their sacrifice, recognized for being and upholding the values of the republic Becky.
[Anderson:] Erin McLaughlin reporting for you. Still to come tonight, Charlie Hebdo gets set to release its latest addition. And based on the cover, staffers are not the least bit intimidated by those who tried to kill them for what they do. First, though, political division in Israel over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's call to French Jews. Is he being insensitive? That's next.

[Wolf Blitzer:] Happening now, massacre and manhunt. Terrorists storm a museum and slaughter 19 people, most of them tourists. Two gunmen are killed. The search is now underway for three others. Kennedy targeted she's the daughter of JFK and the U.S. ambassador to Japan. Threats to her life are reported on the same day that the first lady, Michelle Obama, arrives in the country. Pleading not guilty a U.S. Air Force veteran accused of trying to help ISIS answers the charges against him. But does the evidence presented in court tell a different story? And ISIS recruiter to millions, he's a symbol of evil, the iconic killer of ISIS shown in videos beheading hostages. But why do some young people see Jihadi John as a hero and a reason to join the terror group? I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in
[The Situation Room. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] Let's get right to the breaking news. An urgent manhunt is underway for the gunmen who attacked a museum killing 19 people in Tunisia's capital. Seventeen of the victims were foreign tourists. Thousands of cruise ship passengers were in the city of Tunis at the time. Security forces killed two attackers, described by the interior minister as Islamists. The search is now underway for three others. While Tunisia is a moderate nation and the first country where the Arab Spring took hold, it may also have provided more foreign fighters to ISIS than any other country. I'll talk to Senator Corey Gardner of the Foreign Relations Committee. That's coming up. And our correspondents and analysts, they're all standing by with full coverage. But let's begin with our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, this lovely North African capital, the city the site of bloodshed earlier today, when gunmen opened up in a complex that involves both the parliament and this major museum in downtown Tunis. Seventeen people 19 people killed, 22 wounded. The hunt for additional gunmen is on. It was brutal and it was sudden. Tourists, some of them were getting off buses to visit the museum when they were hit with this hail of gunfire. Fighting broke out. You see pictures of people on the run as security forces rushed to try to bring them to safety. It was what could only be described as a very deadly, very brutal scene. The question now, who was behind it all? And, of course, the finger of suspicion does point, potentially we do not know for sure it points potentially to ISIS. ISIS adherents in Tunisia have been pledging their loyalty to the organization. There's been an awful lot of social media chatter about ISIS extending its reach. We know that they're are they are extending their reach across North Africa into Egypt, Libya and Tunisia. So there is a lot of concern tonight that ISIS has now opened up a new front in Tunisia and that this is another country with a very fragile government where ISIS may try to take hold Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And amidst all of this, Barbara, we're also hearing of new threats against U.S. embassies in that part of the world.
[Starr:] Across the region, Wolf, in North Africa. In the Horn of Africa the nation of Djibouti, the U.S. Embassy there saying that they have a threat stream, closing the embassy to consular services. Basically, the public not allowed in. And across the way in Saudi Arabia now, the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh and other U.S. facilities, diplomatic facilities across the country closed for several days now. Again, a threat stream that they say that is causing them to shut these areas down for consular services. They are not giving very much in the way of specifics. But let's be clear, Wolf, the State Department doesn't shut things down for no reason Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes. And it follows the complete shut down of the U.S. embassies in Somalia, in Libya, in Yemen, certainly in Syria, as well. So these U.S. embassies, they're being shut down across the region. Barbara, thanks very much. As the United States steps up security at some of its embassies, there are now reports of death threats death threats directed at Caroline Kennedy, the United States ambassador to Japan, the daughter of John F. Kennedy. Word of the threat comes on the same day that the first lady, Michelle Obama, arrives in Japan. And the reports follow the recent stabbing of another U.S. ambassador. Let's go to our senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta. He has much more Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, it's a very sensitive matter. So the State Department, of course, is saying very little about these reported threats to one of the administration's highest profile ambassadors, Caroline Kennedy in Japan. But these concerns for Kennedy's safety come as the first lady, as you mentioned, is just arriving in Tokyo for an overseas trip. She's due to meet with Kennedy. The State Department spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said the reported phone-in threats to Kennedy and another American diplomat in Okinawa last month have not prompted changes to the security posture at the U.S. Embassy in Japan. That is, despite the fact that First Lady Michelle Obama just landed in Tokyo. And keep in mind, former president Bill Clinton was just in Tokyo yesterday, appearing alongside Kennedy before delivering a speech on her father's legacy, which, of course, was cut short a half century ago. But the State Department says it is making sure that the right precautions are in place.
[Jen Psaki, State Department Spokeswoman:] We take any threats to U.S. diplomats seriously. We take every step possible to protect our personnel. We are working with the Japanese government to ensure that necessary security measures are in place, which is something we would do and continue to do around the world. We're not going to comment on the specific details of any threats or steps we take to address them.
[Acosta:] And diplomatic personnel in Asia, they're already on edge after that knife attack on the U.S. ambassador to South Korea, Mark Lippert, who's awaiting a security report on that incident. And as for that apparent threat to Ambassador Kennedy, Japanese media reports are saying that it was phoned in by an English speaking man. But, Wolf, authorities at this point, either they don't know or they're not saying at this point who that person could be Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes, very worrisome developments. And a lot of us are worried about copycats...
[Acosta:] That's right.
[Blitzer:] especially in the aftermath of that attack, that stabbing attack against the U.S. ambassador, Mark Lippert, in Seoul, South Korea. Apparently he was only accompanied by one unarmed security guard at that time. Very disturbing developments, indeed. Jim Acosta, thank you. It's been a year since Russia grabbed the strategic Crimean Peninsula away from Ukraine and President Vladimir Putin of Russia has thrown a party to celebrate. But he's also doing some military chest- pounding in another hot spot, as NATO intercepts Russian aircraft. Let's go live to our senior international correspondent, Matthew Chance He's joining us from Moscow Matthew.
[Matthew Chance, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, thanks very much. Well, the relationship with Russia just continues to deteriorate. More saber rattling, as Russian war planes are intercepted in international air space, but as they approach NATO air space. Also, tension in the north, as well, as Russia places its Arctic Fleet on high alert for maneuvers, forty thousand troops involved in that. In response, the NATO maneuvers across the border in Norway. All this happening as Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, celebrates a year since Crimea, that Ukrainian territory, was annexed. And tens of thousands of Russians were in Moscow today joining him in those celebrations.
[Chance:] There was music and dancing and Vladimir Putin on a jumbo screen near Red Square. This to mark the one year anniversary since Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine a land grab that redrew Europe's map and shattered ties with the West. [on camera]: Well, the annexation of Crimea was extremely popular. And this whole event has turned into a celebration of Russian nationalism. The opinion polls say the country is fully behind the decision to annex Crimea and only a tiny minority believe that it would be justified to ever consider giving it back. [voice-over]: But at the same time, on Wednesday, NATO jets were scrambled to intercept a number of Russian military aircraft as they neared Latvian air space. Latvia, a tiny Baltic nation where U.S. troops and equipment just arrived for NATO training and where fears are growing about Putin's next move.
[Maj. Gen. John O'connor, U.s. Army:] Now we're going to demonstrate that same resolve, as we lean forward and demonstrate to Russia and to Putin that we are not broken in our efforts to stand together through this type of aggression.
[Chance:] But Putin has been flexing Russia's military might. Russia's Northern Fleet has been placed on full combat alert for Arctic exercises involving nearly 40,000 troops and 50 warships, rattling nerves in some NATO states.
[Unidentified Male:] They're nervous in Poland, but particularly in the Baltic states, especially Estonia and Latvia. And that goes back to, for a number of years, the Kremlin has talked about this right that Russia has to defend ethnic Russians or Russian speakers wherever they're located and whatever their citizenship.
[Chance:] The U.S. Army says it will soon be sending armored Stryker vehicles on an 1,100 mile convoy through six European countries to show solidarity with NATO allies. And Washington is sending a strong message to Moscow.
[Ashton Carter, Secretary Of Defense:] We just want to make the point that as far as NATO allies are concerned, that raises a whole other set of issues that I hope anyone who is considering encroaching upon a NATO ally takes seriously.
[Chance:] Well, there are already U.S. and European sanctions, of course, on Russia over its actions in Crimea and elsewhere in Ukraine, as well. Tomorrow, European leaders are going to be meeting to discuss what else they can do, what next Steps they can take to get Russia to change its course Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Matthew Chance in Moscow, thanks very much. Let's get some more now. Joining us, Senator Corey Gardner. He's the freshman Republican from Colorado. He's a member of the Foreign Relations Committee. Thanks so much, Senator, for joining us. Let's talk about what's going on over there. Russian military jets, they were intercepted near Latvian air space. Latvia, of course, a member of NATO. U.S. troops had just arrived there for NATO training. What is going on? Is this a direct threat from Putin?
[Sen. Corey Gardner , Colorado:] Well, again, I think we have to make it very clear that the illegal annexation that occurred a year ago, of Crimea will never be accepted by the international community. This is a violation of international law. What we have to do at this moment is make sure that we are reassuring our NATO allies that we are standing strong behind our commitments. Our European partnership and NATO allies need to know we are there fully committed to our NATO alliance.
[Blitzer:] So far, it's been a year and certainly, the Russians under Putin have no inclination to withdraw from Crimea. Is that going to be a fait accompli, if you will?
[Gardner:] No. This is, again, an illegal act. It was an illegal annexation under international law. The communities around the world will not accept this. But I think in hearings before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, hearing from President Saakashvili, the former president of Georgia who was acting as President Poroshenko's spokesperson around the globe as this crisis goes on, we hear from him the need for the United States to encourage and increase its commitment to speed the deployment of lethal and non-lethal assistance. And our conversations with Victoria Nuland and others to make sure that we are doing everything we can to live up to the promises that we have made to the people of Ukraine. The people of Ukraine, who have alerted us that they believe there are right now 10,000 Russian fighters still in Eastern Ukraine. And obviously, still supplying heavy weaponry to rebels.
[Blitzer:] Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of State for European Affairs. So what does Putin ultimately want? What is he up to right now?
[Gardner:] Well, I think he's right now flexing his muscle. He's testing the temperament of the United States and the allies that we have in NATO to see what he can get away with. And I think we have to send a very strong message that we will not accept this. This is something that the international community will not stand for. But along those lines, I think we have to do our part in stepping up what we have committed to do. Talking to various Department of Defense officials, talking to the State Department, understanding what it would take when we send the assistance that we have promised under legislation that we have agreed to, the length of time that it would take to train and provide training to Ukrainian forces to utilize that equipment, that's something that can no longer wait. And the longer we wait, according to people like President Saakashvili, the more serious the situation becomes and the further into the
[Blitzer:] A lot of nervousness going on right now in Eastern Europe. Senator, please stand by. We have much more to talk about, including ISIS. Was ISIS behind the massacre in Tunis today? Much more with the Senator Corey Gardner, when we come back.

[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] France on high alert this morning, security tightens amid fears of a new attack.
[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] And new details are emerging this morning about the terrorists. Despite numerous red flags why did French authorities drop them from their radar?
[Blackwell:] And all of this is happening as close to a million people start to gather in Paris for a massive unity rally.
[Paul:] We want to say good morning and welcome all of you here in the United States as well as around the world. We're so grateful for your company. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you. Let's go live straight to Paris and Jake Tapper. He's where the rally will begin in a few hours Jake.
[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Hello, Victor and Christie, in three hours, up to a million people if not more are expected to join in a massive unity march here in Paris. It begins where I am at this spot. Marchers are expected to follow several routes to the Plaza Dela Nacion, the march's final destination. Dozens of world leaders are coming to Paris to walk alongside French president, Francois Hollande. They include British Prime Minister David Cameron, the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavron and Turkey's prime minister, all expected to be here. So are Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Jordan's King Abdullah. Security, of course, will be very, very tight. A French police source tells CNN that terror sleeper cells have been activated in the last 24 hours in France, obviously, something, some information of grave, grave concern. French officials are planning to use what they're calling exceptional measures to protect everyone. Thousands of police officers have formed, plain clothed, detectives, all of them being deployed across the French capital. Police snipers, anti-terrorism officers also stationed along the route. Law enforcement officers, of course, have been ordered to erase all their social media presence. They also must keep their weapons at hand at all times. That is not standard operating procedure here in France to have weapons on you at all times. In fact, the French police woman who was killed on Thursday did not have a gun with her is my understanding. Let's bring in CNN's Isa Soares right now. She is also here in Paris. Isa, there were top level ministerial talks here in Paris ahead of today's march planning for it, talking about going forward. Who was there? What did they discuss?
[Isa Soares, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Jake. Those meetings are still underway gathered around 10:30. They've been meeting for about an hour or so now. It's really mostly foreign ministers, about 14 foreign ministers and U.S. Attorney Eric Holder all meeting. And they're all talking about one subject and that really is discussing counter-terrorism, how to tackle that. Alongside that topic, we're also hearing, they're talking about how to tackle foreign fighters in Europe. So those fighters were leaving to go young fighters were going to go to really to fight the Middle East. There are about 600 young men have left France waging war, Jihad really in the Middle East and then coming back. Those are the concerns. They'll be discussing the topics and it will be what happens once they're here? Because we've seen this week, Jake, they come prepared. You know, they have weapons training from the two brothers, Kouachi brothers were trained in Yemen. They are also very organized and obviously the tactics all very important. These are all questions they'll be discussing. And alongside us, Jake, the question of how do you talk? How do you counter this without antagonizing the Muslim community and without creating an environment of Islamophobia. Let's take a listen very quickly to what go ahead, Jake.
[Tapper:] No, go ahead. I want to hear.
[Soares:] I was going to say today what we have the Attorney General Eric Holder is here. Also representing the United States we have the U.S. ambassador to France. She's here. She is actually Jane Hartley. She actually wrote a moving piece in "Le Monde" this week. I want to take a snippet of what she said. She said as we pause to mourn the loss of life, I'm reminded how the people of France show their support to us in aftermath of 911 so a lot of support from world leaders. Alongside that, obviously concern over security. The French government says they have a handle on this. Take a listen to what the foreign minister had to say
[Bernard Cazeneuve, French Interior Minister:] One hundred fifty policemen in plain clothes will assure the security of the distinguished persons and there will be an attempt. There will be sharp shooters on the roof and the drains will be inspected.
[Soares:] So not taking any risks, sharp shooters everywhere. I came in this morning there was already a lot of security. So I think we'll see a show of unity, a show of force not just from world leaders, but from pretty much everyone coming in today to be alongside all those who lost their lives Jake.
[Tapper:] All right. Obviously, everyone here hoping and praying that it will be a peaceful event. Isa Soares, thank you so much. America's top diplomat says that no act of terror will stop, quote, "the march of freedom." That's Secretary of State John Kerry talking. He is in India right now for a global economic summit. He added that the American people, quote, "stand together with the people of France not just in anger and outrage, but in solidarity and commitment in confronting extremism and in the cause that extremists fear so much and that has always united our country's freedom." We also want to tell you about an arson attack at the offices of a German newspaper in Hamburg. Police say an incendiary device was thrown at the building setting the archive section on fire. Fortunately, no one was inside the building when the attack happened earlier today. The "Hamburg Morgan Post" perhaps relevantly had reprinted the "Charlie Hebdo" cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed after Wednesday's deadly shootings in Paris. Police are investigating to see if the two are related. We now have reports that the fourth Hayat Boumediene, you remember her, of course, she's the fourth suspect. It turns out that perhaps she was not in France during the terror attacks unlike what police initially believed. She is now believed to have arrived in Istanbul, in Turkey, on a flight from Madrid, Spain on January 2nd. She was reportedly last seen in an area near the Turkey-Syria border. Let's bring in our CNN military analyst, James "Spider" Marks to talk about this. General Marks, thanks so much for being here. French officials appear not to have known that Boumediene may not even have been in Paris during the Thursday attack on the police woman, the Friday attack on the kosher supermarket. What does this suggest you? Does it suggest a failure of intelligence at the very least?
[Maj. General James "spider" Marks, Cnn Military Analyst:] No. Not at all, Jake. Thanks for your coverage and good morning you to. No, what it really tells you is that French intelligence knew immediately of her association with this group of terrorists. That's good news. The fact that there was not immediate forensic evidence of her presence in any one of these particular incidence or at least there is a supposition she was not there is simply after the fact. So the good news is they knew about her. They were immediately into the network and into the enterprise of all their associations and she immediately popped up as hot. So that's good news.
[Tapper:] So better to have too much information than not enough, I guess. Better to think this individual, if she's with this person if, this person carried out a terrorist attack, she's likely here better to over believe that somebody is there than lack the information, I suppose.
[Marks:] Yes, absolutely. What allows you to do is immediately you now thickened this enterprise of associations and how it works and what those linkages are. So, again, if this can come up and you start to paint the picture, she comes up as one of the very key figures. That's good news. Now you're into what her enterprise and her associations look like. So, Jake, this is really good news and they put it together as we go forward. There is an absolute certainty that there's a lot that we don't know right now that the intelligence officials do.
[Tapper:] All right. I should also point out, General, that Turkish officials are now saying that French intelligence did not pass on information on Hayat Boumediene until more recently.
[Marks:] Yes, that's a problem. The challenge we have is that the intelligence enterprises in different nations tend to be organized somewhat differently. You know, France just in the past couple years took their analytical arm and their collection arm and nested them together underneath their ministry of interior. Now that's a design that kind of exists in many places throughout Europe. It's different from how we do it in the United States so Turkish intelligence and France should be working well together not only through the European Union, but through their affiliations and associations that they both have within NATO. So the fact that that intelligence was not physically passed is one thing. The second thing is that Turkish might have been able to pull that intelligence without getting it directly. In other words, there's a sharing mechanism that exists that could have been used to give the Turkish or the Turkish could have probably been able to have better clarity on what that picture looks like and her specifically.
[Tapper:] Just very interesting all the information that is now coming out about Hayat Boumeddiene, the last known location she was known to have been and where she was and her return ticket and all those information that French officials at least were not sharing with the public until today. General Spider Marks, thank you so much. Appreciate your time. The fourth terrorist suspect, Hayat Boumeddiene, on the run. What are French officials doing to find her? Last known to be at the Syrian- Turkish border. We'll have details of that hunt. Plus, the rantings of a terrorist. New audio recordings offer a chilling look at a terrorist explaining his crimes to his captives, accidentally recorded. We'll have that for you just ahead.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Speaking of the president, another sensitive issue, immigration reform. The president saying if the Congress by the end of this year doesn't engage in significant reform, he's going to do it on his own, even though the Republicans say that would be a violation of the Constitution. He can't do it. He does not have legal authority. And now, read "The New York Times" story earlier today, several examples of the president himself in recent years saying he can't do this on his own, including this clip from back in 2011.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president.
[Blitzer:] He was speaking on Univision, the Spanish television network, at the time, explaining why he can't do it on his own. Another occasion he said, I'm the president of the United States, I'm not the emperor of the United States. But now he says he's going to do
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] Now he's the emperor.
[Blitzer:] But he earlier said he shouldn't do it.
[Borger:] He was against it before he was for it, Wolf. He used it to explain to Hispanic groups who were saying, why don't you do something by some kind of executive order, saying, no, no, no, I can't do it, because he wanted something to pass through the Congress. Now that he knows that nothing is going to pass through the Congress at this point don't forget the Senate passed a bill. In the House, the bill went nowhere he's decided he has 26 months left in his presidency that he's going to do exactly what he said he was not going to do. And I think, again, if you look at the larger picture here, this is a president who is saying to a Republican Congress, OK, dare me, I'm going to do it. And it's going to create a situation in which Republicans are going to have to decide, as they run the House and the Senate, whether they can compartmentalize and actually work with the president on, say, tax reform and trade and not work with him on immigration or whether it's all going to blow up. And we just don't know at this point how it's going to play out.
[Blitzer:] It could play out by the end of this week, they say, if the president decides to do what he earlier said he shouldn't do.
[Borger:] And you do have that "hell, no" caucus who would be saying to their leadership in the Republican Party, let's shut down the government.
[Blitzer:] I don't think they'll shut down the government.
[Borger:] Stranger things have happened.
[Blitzer:] Let's see if it passes. I'd be surprised if they make that mistake again. Gloria, thanks very much. Still ahead, the National Guard called in, a state of emergency declared. Unease is growing in Ferguson, Missouri, ahead of the pending grand jury decision. And we'll get back to our top story, that horrible terror attack in a synagogue in Jerusalem. We'll go live to bring you the update on what's going on.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Happening now, President Obama wants a grand bargain on jobs, including a higher minimum wage. We're going to get reaction from Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who is in the middle of a family feud in the Republican Party right now. And you may be surprised at who the senator is now calling, quote, "the king of bacon." Plus, Private Bradley Manning found guilty in the WikiLeaks case, but not not guilty of the most serious charge. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. We begin with President Obama offering Republicans a new grand bargain, as he calls it, one the president says will grow good paying jobs for the middle class. Republicans already are complaining the president's ideas aren't new or grand. Let's start with our chief White House correspondent, Jessica Yellin. She's got the latest Jessica.
[Jessica Yellin, Cnn Chief White House Correspondent:] Wolf, President Obama went to Tennessee to unveil this new proposal he's calling the grand bargain. But as you know, Republicans say it's not new and it's not grand.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Well, tell me how this works.
[Yellin:] Touring this Amazon shipping and packing center in Tennessee, President Obama offered his seal of approval. The colossal online retailer is adding 7,000 new jobs nationwide, 5,000 at warehouses like this one.
[Obama:] And what have we got going here?
[Yellin:] But all that's just window dressing for the president to deliver this message.
[Obama:] If folks in Washington really want a grand bargain, how about a grand bargain for middle class jobs?
[Yellin:] I know, another grand bargain already? But wait, this one's different. There's no fast approaching deadline or late night negotiations yet.
[Obama:] And if Washington heads toward yet another budget debate, the stakes couldn't be higher.
[Yellin:] We're in the pre-game and the president is trying to box in his opponent early.
[Obama:] We should be doing everything we can, as a country, to create more good jobs that pay good wages, period. Today, I came here to offer a framework that might help break through some of the political logjam in Washington.
[Yellin:] So what's that framework?
[Obama:] A deal that simplifies the tax code for our businesses and creates good jobs with good wages.
[Yellin:] Corporate tax reform in return for investment in programs that could create high wage jobs. It sounds like two proposals he's backed before. In a statement, Speaker Boehner's spokesperson agrees, saying, "This proposal allows President Obama to support President Obama's position on taxes and President Obama's position on spending." And Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says the proposal
[Sen. Mitch Mcconnell , Senate Minority Leader:] It doesn't exactly qualify as news. It's just a further left version of a widely panned plan he already proposed two years ago.
[Yellin:] Now, Wolf, the White House argues that it shouldn't matter whether these proposals are new, what should matter is whether they help Americans. And the White House argues they do. So then the question is, why unveil this at an Amazon warehouse? According to CNNMoney, Amazon pays their warehouse workers about $24,000 a year. That's just above the poverty line, hardly the high paying jobs the president is trying to create for the future, but they are creating some new jobs. You can't have everything Wolf.
[Blitzer:] All right, Jessica. Thanks very much. And we're going to get reaction to the president's address later this hour. Senator Rand Paul, he's got some strong views on that, strong views on some of the Republican comments about him, including Chris Christie. That interview coming up. Now to the afternoon's verdict in the court-martial of Army Private First Class Bradley Manning. A military judge pronounced him guilty of most of the charges in connection with the largest leak of classified information in U.S. history. But Manning was found not guilty of the most serious charge, including aiding the enemy, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. Let's bring in our senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin Jeffrey, the charge was he gave intelligence classified information to the enemy, albeit not directly. Not guilty on that charge, the most serious charge. Were you surprised?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] Not really. You know, what Manning is not has been known for months. The only issue is, what crime was he guilty of? He's pleaded guilty to some crimes. He was charged with others, including this charge which is somewhat like treason. He was acquitted of that charge. That strikes me as a very reasonable decision by the judge. It seemed like an excessive effort by the prosecution. But he still faces over 100 years in prison, so Bradley Manning is not going anywhere any time soon.
[Blitzer:] The sentencing phase will begin tomorrow. And it will be up to the judge to decide how many years in prison he will have to serve. The whole notion, though, of the message, this not guilty verdict on this major charge, sends to others who potential whistleblowers, others who want to leak classified information to the news media, what is that message?
[Toobin:] Well, I don't think there is any message of leniency being sent here. He has been charged with an inc a wide variety of crimes, some of which he pled guilty to, some of which he was convinced of. And he is likely to go to prison, not for years, but for decades. But I do think the message, if there was a message sent, was that the government has to use the statutes for the purpose for which they're intended. The law that he was acquitted of really involves helping the enemy in war time. And that was really not did not fit the crime here. And I think the judge was right to acquit him of it.
[Blitzer:] Do you think the verdict will impact Edward Snowden, the NSA leaker?
[Toobin:] I do. I think Snowden recognizes that this is what's in store for him. True, he might not be charged with the absolute maximum penalty. Eric Holder, the attorney general, has already said they will not be seeking the death penalty against him. But he, like Manning, has admitted disclosing an enormous amount of classified information. And if he does return to the United States, he, too, is going to be looking at many, many years in prison. And as we've seen, he's doing everything he can to avoid coming back here to face that.
[Blitzer:] He certainly is. All right, Jeffrey Toobin, thanks very much. Up next, a nationwide push workers calling for a much higher minimum wage. But will that help or hurt the overall economy? A debate coming up, a major debate. And later, a family feud in the Republican Party. You're going to hear who Senator Rand Paul is calling the king of bacon.
[Sen. Rand Paul , Kentucky:] To lead a nation, you need not only

[John Defterios, Cnn Emerging Markets Editor:] Even on a gray winter's day in Vienna, it's hard not to be taken in by a roof that looks like something out of Star Trek.
[Karl Johann Hartig, Project Manager:] Just to me it says something about dynamics, dynamics of railway, dynamics of trains.
[Defterios:] As project manager, Karl Johann Hartig helped bring the city's main train station to life.
[Hartig:] Not a cathedral anymore as these old stations were built. It's a more functional architecture of course.
[Defterios:] The initial plans for Vienna Station were dreamed up a quarter century ago, before the fall of communism. Contract tenders were awarded nearly a decade ago. And the first phase of the $5 bill project, the station itself, is fully operational. This station, of course, is about domestic connectivity, but it also taps three major European arteries, taking passengers to Poland in the north, Romania to the east, Greece to the south and also going west to France. Ronata Bauner is vice mayor of the city.
[Unidentified Female:] Before the trains came here, the end, it stops. And now the trains go right through to all directions and that's also the role we see for ourselves.
[Defterios:] But Vienna's main station wants to be much more than a transport hub. Of the 109 hectares to work with, over half will be opened up for urban renewal. Two anchor business tenants are putting headquarters here: state train operator OBB and by 2016 financial house Erste Bank with 4,500 employees. It's being positioned as the modern alternative to the central business district which is just two-and-a-half kilometers away.
[Unidentified Male:] What we saw already in terms of office space is an increase in rental prices of roughly 15 percent. And that trend is going to continue I'm quite certain.
[Defterios:] Confident, because the city of less than 2 million people is expanding with 20,000 more each and every year. John Defterios, CNN, Vienna.

[Banfield:] There are questions still swirling around the release of Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. Now a lot of the focus is aimed squarely at the very heavy price that at United States paid for his release, the true cost of releasing these five detainees from the United States navy base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. So far, it's really not clear what that price will be, if anything, at this point. But there is definitely something that we've had to give away here. All of them have strong ties to the Taliban, the organization, the government, that gave safe harbor to Osama bin Laden's terrorist group al Qaeda leading up to the 911 attacks. During his trip to Poland this morning, President Obama admitted that the men could resume activities detrimental to our country.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Is there the possibility of some of them trying to return to activities that are detrimental to us? Absolutely. That's been true of all the prisoners that were released from Guantanamo. There's a certain recidivism rate that takes place. I wouldn't be doing it if I thought that it was contrary to American national security, and we have confidence that we will be in a position to go after them if, in fact, they are engaging in activities that threaten our defenses.
[Banfield:] The danger that these former detainees pose is becoming a hot-button issue in Washington. On CNN's "NEW DAY" this morning, Senator John McCain expressed concern about the intentions of these men.
[Senator John Mccain , Arizona:] There's overwhelming evidence and testimony coming forward that Sergeant Bergdahl left of his own free will, and that will be the subject of investigation. That does not mean he shouldn't have been brought home. The problem that I have and many of the others have is what we paid for that release, and that is releasing five of the most hardened anti-American killers. If the past proves true, they'll be back in the battlefield, putting the lives of Americans in danger in the future.
[Banfield:] And joining me to talk about the danger these men pose and whether they have ties to terrorist organizations is the "Miami Herald" military affairs correspondent, Carol Rosenberg. Ms. Rosenberg knows probably more than anyone about this issue. She's been to Guantanamo so many times I can't tell you the actual number. I'm not sure that Carol can. But for more than 13 years, she's been there. She never left. They tried to get rid of her, but she never left. Carol, day one, these five guys arrive. They are some of the first prisoners who arrive here, and for our audiences who maybe don't recognize their faces, I'm going to give a real fast bio on what the background is on some of these guys. One them was an interior minister during the Taliban's rule; another one, an army chief commander. Another one was a governor under the Taliban regime. Another was a deputy chief of the Taliban's intelligence service. And another one was the Taliban's chief of communications. Carol, the Taliban gave safe harbor to Osama bin Laden so that he could carry out 911 against America. Tell me again why these guys could go free.
[Carol Rosenberg, Military Affairs Correspondent, "miami Herald":] So three of these men arrived on that first day, as the suspected worst of the worst. If you remember, 20 men came in and were captured on their knees in orange jump suits, in a photo released, quite infamous photo, released by the Pentagon. And as we've learned since then, you know, among other things the military has let many of those worst of the worst go in these negotiated deals. Twenty men came in that day. With these fellows gone, they're down to eight who came in the first day with four also approved for release. So the real issue is, who are they? They're definitely Taliban. They've never said they weren't Taliban. And the Taliban asked for them back. They were definitely part of the organization that did allow al Qaeda to come and set up shop in Afghanistan, and from where the 911 attacks were plotted. But there's never been a whiff of a suggestion that these five men, political military intelligence types, and they bleed in in the Taliban11 attacks, the reason we invited Afghanistan in the first place.
[Banfield:] So this is my concern, Carol, is that we're still chasing after Mullah Omar, and I believe he might have been number two in the Taliban, because of his complicity in helping bin Laden to effectuate his evil scheme. So I'm just not clear, since so little is shared with us about "cases," and I'm giving dog ears here on television, or bunny ears, "cases" against these people and evidence collected against these people in 13 years what kind of role they played. I mean, why are we even chasing Mullah Omar if his compatriots are on their way home?
[Rosenberg:] They never were charged with a crime. There's never been an allegation that they did anything. They were captured very early, Ashleigh. So, you know, the opportunity for them to have acted against the American invasion was limited. The pursuit when they brought people to Guantanamo was to get Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, in part to get in part to get Mullah Omar to help lead the Americans to Osama bin Laden. That chapter is over. It is not clear that these men, when they well, first of all, they're going to spend a year in Qatar. And, yes, they are part of a political entity called the Taliban, which we, the American our American military was not able to eradicate. They did send al Qaeda running. But now this president has decided that we're getting out of this war in Afghanistan. And part of the price of ending a war in Afghanistan is making, if not peace, making, you know, your own set of peace with the fact that we are not going to destroy the Taliban.
[Banfield:] I hear you.
[Rosenberg:] They're going to Qatar. They're going to spend a year there. The president says he's getting out.
[Banfield:] What I just
[Rosenberg:] What's interesting about these men is
[Banfield:] The only thing it drives me crazy, and your reporting has been so stellar in this
[Rosenberg:] Go ahead.
[Banfield:] It drives me crazy that, in criminal law, and I don't know what the heck is going on in Gitmo, but under American law there is something called conspiracy. And I don't understand how these guys can't be part of the conspiracy for the chief actor, 911, who got a safe haven and a place to actually craft his crime, how these guys aren't part of the conspiracy. You know, you and I could talk a lot more about this and hopefully we'll get a chance to do this, but I have to save some time to congratulate you on your First Amendment Award from the Reporter's Committee for the Freedom of the Press. You worked very hard for it and everyone should know about that. Good job.
[Rosenberg:] Thank you. Thank you, Ashleigh.
[Banfield:] You're welcome. And I hope to speak to you again at some point. We've got another story that we're working on after the break. And this one well, by the way, I should let you know that the outgoing press secretary, Jay Carney, is going to join Wolf Blitzer for more on this story. And that's next hour. So make sure you stick around for that, another 13 minutes or so. That there is this there's this story coming out of a courtroom that you have to actually see to believe. You know the judges lay down the law all the time, but I'm not sure you've ever heard them laying down the law quite like this.
[Unidentified Male:] I'd like to stand and represent my client. I said sit down. Let's go out back and I'll just beat your
[Banfield:] Yes, they actually went out back. Uh-huh. The attorney and the judge. How did that end up? We're going to let you know, next.

[Cuomo:] The person who gunned down two New York city police officers was a deranged gunman. He says he was avenging the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner. Now the families of both of those men were quick to denounce that motivation. Here is Eric Garner's mother condemning all violence in her son's name.
[Gwen Carr, Eric Garner's Mother:] Standing with us, we want you to not use Eric Garner's name for violence because we are not about that. These two police officers lost their life senselessly.
[Cuomo:] Joining us now is Benjamin Crump; he's the attorney for Michael Brown's family. Counselor, thank you for joining us. The family put out a statement that we will put up on the screen for people to read obviously saying that the violence is rejected. We reject any kind of violence directed toward law enforcement. Can't be tolerated. We must work together to bring peace to our communities. And other than the incident with the stepfather of Michael Brown, there's been a consistent message that what we want is protests, what we want is change, as the Brown family. We do violence want violence or rioting. What does the family make of this situation?
[Benjamin Crump, Brown Family Attorney:] It's tragic, Chris, and they reject it as they have rejected it yesterday. They reject it today. They will reject all forms of violence in the future. They really want to express their heartfelt sympathy because it's Christmas time and it's just tragic. All our hearts break for the families of these police officers. Protesters, all the protesters that were heartbroken for the deaths of Ferguson and Staten Island, are heartbroken over the deaths of these police officers. This is just a terrible, terrible thing.
[Cuomo:] Look, it's easy to dismiss the man who did this. He had problems. He had a police record. His mother said she was afraid of him. He will probably wind up having some history of mental illness that was ignored by people in his inner circle. And yet the tone that we have seen that's become somewhat pervasive in the last couple of months, do you think it is time to check that tone, for someone like Reverend Sharpton and other leaders of the protest to come forward and clarify what they mean by what they want to see change and not direct hostility towards police but focus on policy?
[Crump:] I don't know civil rights leaders that have talked about doing anything irresponsible like this here. Everybody has tried to promote positive change. Trying attribute the senseless acts of violence of this one individuals onto thousands of people who protest peacefully all across America is analogous to trying to contribute the attacks of Lee Harvey Oswald, when he assassinated President Kennedy, to Martin Luther King in the civil rights non-violent protests. That's just ridiculous. We need to use this as an opportunity to elevate the conversation as a society to pay the proper legacy to all of those individuals we lost to this senseless violence, and especially with these two innocent police officers, to say their legacy is we're going to do better as a society to prevent anybody from having something like this happen again.
[Cuomo:] Right. That is the right message, Counselor, obviously. But there's a different perception out there as well. Listen to the head of the union for the New York police department and his feelings about what's been going on.
[Patrick Lynch, Patrolman's Benevolent Association President:] There is blood on many hands tonight. Those that incited violence on this street under the guise of the protests that tried to tear down what New York City police officers did every day. That blood on the hands starts on the steps of City Hall in the office of the mayor.
[Cuomo:] Do you think that some of the rhetoric went too far?
[Crump:] I do. And I think it was Mayor Guiliani who said that's not the right tone as well. So we have to use these watershed moments in our modern day history to elevate the conversation, the leaders have to lead to bring people together, not to divide people. And we have to say that we respect all life. The tragedy in Ferguson, the tragedy Staten Island, we don't want to see those repeated out we want to see the policies and procedures. But the tragedy that happened in Brooklyn over the weekend, we want to say to the citizens everywhere that we respect our police officers. We understand they have a very difficult job. And we want citizens to understand that it's tough and we want to make sure that no acts of violence are brought against the police. And in the same tone we want them to use their training and their supervision to make sure no sense of violence is brought against citizens. It's a two-way street. We all have to work together to make it a better America, and we use these tragedies, Chris, to hopefully pay legacy to the individuals, to say we are going to do better.
[Cuomo:] Do you think that the protesters should calm down for the period of the funerals and allowing there to be some healing in the city right now?
[Crump:] Certainly, I think the protesters have been very respectful. I got a pit in the bottom of my stomach when I heard about the slaying of these two officers, just like I got a pit in the bottom of my stomach when I heard about Michael Brown laying on the ground at Canfield community and I watched the video of Eric Garner. This is hurtful to anybody that says they love America, any of these tragedies. And the protesters, I am sure, will be as respectful and mourning the loss of these officers as they were respectful and mourning the loss of these citizens. You know, it's just sickening when you have these violent acts happening over and over again. And Dr. King says that hate can't drive out hate; only love can conquer this hate and this senseless killing. We have to, as a society, say we're going to respect each other -the community respect the police officers and the police officers respect the community. I know there are so many people who marched in protest also laying flowers at the memorial in New York. So we're not isolated from one another. They're not incompatible saying that we want to respect all life.
[Cuomo:] It is sad that a community that had become part of the division in the city about the protests and the needs for what has to change and who's at fault was very much together last night. But it is sad it took a tragedy like this to bring them together, but at least they were together. Benjamin Crump, thank you very much for offering your perspective on the show as always.
[Crump:] Thank you for having me.
[Cuomo:] Alisyn?
[Camerota:] OK Chris, we have a fascinating segment coming up. It's an exclusive look at the world's most brutal terrorist organization, a never before seen glimpse of what life is like under ISIS. One author going inside ISIS territory, speaking directly to ISIS fighters, and living to tell us about it. That's next.

[Baldwin:] You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. The FBI is warning the military that ISIS might try to target U.S. troops right here on U.S. soil. Here is part of a joint statement issued overnight by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security. It warns current and former troops about their presence online and recommends they review their social media accounts for postings that might attract ISIS or its supporters. It reads, "use caution when posting." This, by the way, is the government's strongest warning yet about ISIS making plans to strike troops here at home. Jim Sciutto is with me now from Washington. Here he is. He is our chief national security correspondent. And I'm curious, first of all, I mean, what kinds of postings by troops, Jim, might be getting the attention by ISIS. Why this, you know, social media focus?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, I'll tell you, it's in two directions. It's a social media of U.S. military personnel, so that they don't make themselves targets in effect. So don't advertise so it makes it easy for ISIS and its supporters to identify you as a potential target. That's part of this bulletin. But I'll tell you, there have been other bulletins from the FBI warning of this kind of attack before. What's particular about this one and new is that they have information they're saying that members of ISIS are, in the words of bulletin, and I've been briefed on it, "spotting and assessing" individuals in the U.S. to find like-minded individuals who might carry out attacks in the U.S., including against U.S. military personnel. So it's going in both directions here. They're seeing they're saying to U.S. military personnel, be careful what you post so you're not easily a target, but they're also observing, and this is new, members of ISIS searching via the Internet for potential recruits to carry out attacks. You know, this is a big deal, Brooke, because when I speak to U.S. intelligence and counter terror officials, they say the most likely kind of attack to happen on U.S. soil are these so-called lone wolf attacks. Someone here radicalized by someone over there who makes a choice to carry out a violent act, like, for instance, we saw with the Ottawa shooter last month.
[Baldwin:] Right.
[Sciutto:] Or in October, I should say. It's a real concern, not just of the U.S. military and law enforcement, but of U.S. counterterror officials.
[Baldwin:] So you have the online postings on the one hand, but the warning also mentions the presence of ISIS supporters here in the U.S. I mean might there be a particular scenario in which that would really worry the FBI? What are they suggesting with that?
[Sciutto:] No question. And they based the most worrisome scenario on attacks that they've already seen across the border in Canada. So think, one, you had the shooter in Ottawa in late October taking a gun, shooting a soldier at a ceremonial posting there in the Canadian capital. But you also had two other attacks, which were a great worry, and those were attacks where attackers used their cars. They just drove their car into Canadian soldiers in uniform. They killed one, they injured another one. And that's of great concern too because the thing about lone wolf attacks is that, you know, one, you don't need any formal connection between you and the U.S. and ISIS back home. You can just read their propaganda and decide to act. Two, you don't need a lot to carry out an attack, right? You could make a bomb on the Internet but you could just use your car or you could use a gun. And it's because of that that these things are so difficult to police.
[Baldwin:] I remember talking to Paul Cruickshank when all that broke, using the cars, and that was precisely what ISIS was calling for online, use those specific kind of attacks.
[Sciutto:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] While I have you, Mr. Sciutto, let's talk today about this story about the Iraqi government paying out thousands of basically for these bogus soldiers salaries. I mean are these soldiers just not showing up or is it more?
[Sciutto:] Or, even worse, not existing.
[Baldwin:] Wow.
[Sciutto:] You know, what they believe is happening here is you have commanders who are basically, you know, puffing up their numbers of soldiers on their payroll, saying that they have 100 when they have 50, say, and pocketing that money from the government, which is remarkable. And that figure, 15,000, think about this, there are 280,000 some odd soldiers in the Iraqi military. So that's more than, you know, one in six that doesn't exist. And you may remember, the U.S. military did an assessment of the Iraqi military earlier this year and found that only about half of Iraqi military, about half the brigades, are up to snuff as a fighting force to fight against ISIS. I mean this is a country that already has and we saw this as ISIS swept across the country and Iraqi soldiers, you know, took their uniforms off, you know, dissolved into the countryside, they already have major problems. The idea that 50,000 of them don't exist and were just, you know, were just kind of made up to pad the pockets of Iraqi commanders is pretty alarming. It just shows how deep a hole, you know, that country is after years of American support.
[Baldwin:] It's incredibly alarming. This is the country we're hoping to lean on to get the help to beat these terrorists, to beat
[Isis. Sciutto:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] It's deeply troubling. Jim Sciutto, thank you.
[Sciutto:] These are the ground force, right?
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Sciutto:] We talk about no U.S. ground forces.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Sciutto:] The Iraqi forces are the ground forces.
[Baldwin:] This is who we're relying on.
[Sciutto:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] My goodness. Jim Sciutto, thank you so much, sir. I appreciate it.
[Sciutto:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] In Washington, joining me today. Coming up next, this mother spent four years searching for her son, only to find out he had been kidnapped and hidden behind a wall for some of that time. Now they've been reunited. We'll tell you that story. Plus, I'll speak with one entertainer who says, as a black man, he's afraid of police. He has a personal story to explain his own fear. All of this the backdrop today, President Barack Obama meeting about Ferguson, protests erupting, these walkouts across the country in nationwide efforts. Stay with me.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Thanks for spending part of your morning with us.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] The next hour of your NEW DAY starts right now.
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[Paul:] Saturday morning, 7:00 a.m., we are so glad to have your company. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. This is NEW DAY SATURDAY. And we're following breaking news out of New Jersey this morning where "30 Rock" actor and "SNL" alum, Tracy Morgan, was involved in a major accident there, an auto accident.
[Paul:] And we're getting word this hour that the star is in critical condition. He was struck apparently in a six-car pileup along the New Jersey turnpike. CNN national reporter Nick Valencia working the latest developments for us. We have heard, Nick, that there was one fatality. Does that still hold?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] That still holds and this is all preliminary investigation. We don't know too many details. The story is still unfolding. We got a lot of detail earlier last hour from local police. What we do know is actor Tracy Morgan from "SNL" fame was involved in a six-car accident on the New Jersey turnpike at about 1:00 a.m. It happened, you know it involved, I should say, two tractor trailers and an SUV. As Christi was mentioning, one person confirmed killed, four others in critical condition taken to the hospital. Morgan was performing last night at the Dover Downs Casino in Delaware. We're scouring social media, so many people tweeting their prayers for Tracy Morgan, hoping that this situation materializes into him being released from the hospital but right now we do know that comedian Tracy Morgan is in critical condition after being involved in a six-car accident at about 1:00 a.m. on the New Jersey turnpike guys.
[Blackwell:] But we also we have one of the officials, is that from the OK.
[Paul:] OK.
[Blackwell:] Let's listen to one of the officials who can give us a little more about the crash.
[Sgt. Gregory Williams, New Jersey State Police:] Six-vehicle accident, two tractor trailers involved. Comedianactor Tracy Morgan was involved. He is in intensive care at Robert Woods Johnson Hospital in New Brunswick. Looks like two tractor trailers, a limo bus, SUV. The limo bus overturned. Tracy Morgan was in the limo bus, but he is alive, he is in intensive care at Robert Woods Johnson Hospital in New Brunswick. Preliminary right now, possibly just one fatality.
[Valencia:] If you look at video and pictures from the scene, they're being put on social media from a local reporter who is there, it looks very ominous, guys.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Valencia:] It's an angled wreckage. An overturned limo bus. Several passengers in that car. Look at that video just there, just very, very upsetting video for the fans of Tracy Morgan. He was on "Saturday Night Live," a funny man there, also on "30 Rock." He made a lot of people laugh. He's a very famous comedian, of course.
[Blackwell:] He has an inspiring story.
[Valencia:] Yes. Very inspiring story.
[Blackwell:] And he uses it as part of his stand up, which is hilarious. We'll continue to follow the story. Nick, I know you're all on top of this.
[Valencia:] I'll go dig for more information.
[Paul:] Thank you so much.
[Blackwell:] And what we get, we'll bring it to you. We're also learning some new details, pretty startling details actually about Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl's nearly five years in captivity.
[Paul:] Yes. A senior U.S. officials tells CNN that the soldier was kept in a cage after he tried to escape his Taliban captors. Now President Obama meanwhile is firmly defending his release of five high-level Taliban detainees for Bergdahl, in exchange for him. Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, though, say they want more answers from the White House about this.
[Blackwell:] CNN's Erin McPike has the latest now on President Obama's defense of this controversial prisoner swap.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] President Obama returns to Washington from a whirlwind European tour, facing a growing storm over last week's dramatic release of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. A key question in this NBC News interview, why didn't he tell Congress beforehand?
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] We saw an opportunity and we took it, and I make no apologies for it. The main concern was that we had to act fast in a delicate situation that required no publicity.
[Mcpike:] Sources say the Taliban didn't threaten to kill Bergdahl as administration officials suggested to senators, and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are skeptical, including Democrat Dianne Feinstein who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee. She told Bloomberg News.
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein , California:] I don't think there was a credible threat, but I don't know. I have no information that there was.
[Mcpike:] What's more, lawmakers from both parties don't buy the administration's initial explanation that Bergdahl's health was urgently deteriorating. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is under pressure to release the proof of life video of Bergdahl from last December that the White House showed senators to make that case. Despite the shifting stories and growing political backlash, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton defended the president, telling ABC News.
[Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary Of State:] If you look at what the factors were going into the decision, of course, there are competing interests and values. I mean, one of our values is we bring everybody home off the battle field, the best we can. It doesn't matter how they ended up in a prisoner of war situation.
[Mcpike:] But even General Jim Jones, one of President Obama's former national security advisers, has questioned the deal, telling
[Cnn. Gen. Jim Jones , Former National Security Adviser:] I come down on the side that you don't negotiate with terrorists. I think that's a rock solid principle and I think once you show that there's weakness there, that you open the door for possibly other bad things to happen.
[Paul:] CNN's Erin McPike joining us now live from Washington. Good morning to you, Erin. We know that President Obama says he'd do this swap over again for Bergdahl despite the political firestorm it's causing on Capitol Hill. What are you hearing? What are the rumblings there?
[Mcpike:] Well, Christi, that's right. And the White House was expecting a controversy over the decision to make this exchange. What they didn't expect were these attacks on Bergdahl. And so now finding that they have to fight back a lot harder than they expected to.
[Blackwell:] So senators got a classified briefing last week on the Bergdahl case. They say that they are many of them are not satisfied with the answers coming out of the White House. But what can they expect as we go into next week?
[Mcpike:] Well, actually Victor, this is going to move to the House. And five administration officials will be briefing House members on Monday afternoon and then on Wednesday, the House Armed Services Committee is going to be holding a meeting and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel will be testifying there.
[Blackwell:] All right. Erin McPike, at the White House for us. Erin, thank you so much.
[Paul:] So ahead, some fellow soldiers say that Bowe Bergdahl is a deserter, that his comrades died looking for him. Others say look, this is a rush to judgment and Bergdahl should have the opportunity to defend himself. We're going to look at whether he could face some charges and that full conversation, that's ahead right here on CNN NEW DAY. So stay close.
[Blackwell:] Republicans are lashing out at the Obama administration for swapping five Gitmo detainees for Sgt. Bergdahl. But some of them were not so angry when Bergdahl was released by the Taliban last weekend.
[Paul:] So on Sunday, National Security adviser Susan Rice praised Bergdahl in the hours after he was released. Listen to this.
[Susan Rice, National Security Adviser:] He's going to be safely reunited with his family. He served the United States with honor and distinction.
[Paul:] Yesterday, though, you heard a different stance from her. She kind of twisted it up a little bit when she spoke to CNN's Jim Acosta. Here's this.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Let me ask you about some comments you made last Sunday on one of the Sunday talk shows. You said that Bergdahl served with honor and distinction. It's come out since then that some of fellow soldiers say he was a deserter, he may have wandered off post there in Afghanistan. Did you misspeak? Did you get that wrong?
[Rice:] Jim, I realize there's been a lot of discussion and controversy around this. But what I was referring to was the fact that this was a young man who volunteered to serve his country in uniform at a time of war. That is itself a very honorable thing. And
[Acosta:] But honor and distinction?
[Rice:] Jim, really, I mean, this is a young man whose circumstances we are still going to learn about. He is, as all Americans, innocent until proven guilty.
[Paul:] A little later we're talking to a political analyst who says this is all, you know, in his opinion, he's seeing a lot of hypocrisy.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Paul:] So we're going to continue to discuss this.
[Blackwell:] Especially with the tweets that were deleted. You know, there were several members of Congress who were praising the work done to bring him home, and then a day or two or three later, they deleted those tweets.
[Paul:] But you wonder, is that really hypocrisy or is that the evolution of new knowledge that comes about?
[Blackwell:] We'll have that.
[Paul:] We'll have that conversation.
[Blackwell:] In a conversation.
[Paul:] And tweet us or, you know, get to us on Facebook and let us know what you think if there's anything specific you want to know about it. Now let's talk about the economy because the government says hey, we are in a recovery. For a lot of people, the American dream, though, feels like it's just slipping out of their grasp. We are going to look at what does that mean now, the American dream, and can it really be achieved?
[Blackwell:] Plus the longest drought in Racing Glory could end today, in just a few hours. We're going to look ahead to the Belmont Stakes and the horse that is looking to make history with a rare Triple Crown win.

[Blitzer:] Republicans and Democrats here in Washington are agreeing at least on one thing when it comes to a so-called grand bargain budget deal. Don't hold your breath. Republican Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, say it won't happen, quashing expectations that some sort of large-scale deal will come out of the negotiations formally scheduled to start next week. Congressman Tom Cole joins from us Capitol Hill right now. He's a member of this HouseSenate Budget Committee. Congressman, thanks for coming in.
[Rep. Tom Cole, , Oklahoma:] Great to be with you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] So can we forget about a so-called grand bargain? Are we going for a limited, small-scale deal?
[Cole:] Who am i to contradict the majority leader of the United States Senate and the chairman of the Budget Committee of the House of Representatives? Look, i think they're right to try to keep expectations in line with the achievable instead of the ideal. But what could be achieved could be pretty significant. We're about $90 billion apart in terms of the House budget and the Senate budget. If we could, you, know, find a compromise in the middle, we could pay for with either savings, or with what I'd call growth revenue, not raising taxes but finding ways that would generate international revenue. That would be a good thing. If we could do it for this year and posit a number for next year so that the budget and the appropriations process can begin in January for fiscal year 2015, we'd actually get the government functioning under real order. I think that would be a very good thing. It would be a lot calmer and peaceful than lurching from continuing resolution and debt ceiling crisis one after another.
[Blitzer:] Yeah, if you could avoid another government shutdown and a crisis over raising the debt ceiling in January and February, that would be really important. Congressman, what about this notion of coming up with a new deal on those forced budget cuts, the so-called sequestration? The next round goes into effect in a few weeks. A lot of people are deeply concerned this could have a negative impact whether on the military or other key areas of the federal government.
[Cole:] Look, i share that concern. I actually think both sides share that concern. Each side has said throughout the sequester is not the appropriate and best way to pare back government spending. Democrats have either wanted to wish it away. And this is a matter of law. We have to act pro actively to change. Or they've wanted to raise taxes to get the extra revenue. I don't think either one those are the appropriate solutions. The president's put enough entitlement reform on the table himself that we could find the savings on the nondiscretionary side and take care of a lot of those cuts. There are some revenue measures that the two sides might be able to agree on. So again, there's enough elements out there to avoid that, but if all else fails, what will happen is exactly what you outlined, we'll have government at sequester levels and that's going to be pretty painful for all concerned, Democrat and Republican alike.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about the Obamacare health, the website. We learned today, Jeffrey Zients, who's been brought in to help deal with the problems of the website, he says now it should be almost fully functioning by the end of November. Is that good enough for you?
[Cole:] Well, no. Obviously, it's i have a lot of respect for Mr. Zients. I worked with him on the Budget Committee when he was acting director at OMB. A very capable guy. But I think the problems with Obamacare are much deeper than a website. We're going to have to see what the composition of the population that's enrolled is. I suspect it's very light on young healthy people and probably long on older people that are going to be very expensive to take care of. There's a lot of other problems with it. Some of the funding mechanisms, medical device tax are pretty unpopular. So believe me, i think the website is the beginning of the problems. It's not the end. It's a deeply flawed, you know, law. And we can do some things to try and mitigate that. We already have. And I look forward to working with my Democratic friends. But long-term, this is not going to be a program that works out well.
[Blitzer:] What are you hearing from folks in Oklahoma, who never really had health insurance, but can now purchase it? They've had pre- existing conditions or they were very poor, but now for the first time they're eligible to get themselves some sort of health insurance plan? What are you hearing from folks in Oklahoma? How is that working out?
[Cole:] Well, it's a mix of opinions. Obviously, there are some people, particularly people with pre-existing conditions, that we've heard positive things from. Overall, the reactions mostly negative. People are not convinced the program is going to be able to be self- supporting. They've had the website problems other people have, and lots of folks that already had insurance that they were happy with are seeing their policies canceled and or their rates go up. So there's a mix of opinion. But honestly, it's still pretty heavily against Obamacare, and people are pretty fearful what's coming. The state so far has refused to participate in either the building of the website or the expansion of Medicaid. So I'd say, on balance, there's not much question this is not a popular program in Oklahoma at this time.
[Blitzer:] All right, we'll see it that changes. Tom Cole, as usual, thanks for coming in.
[Cole:] Thank you. You bet.
[Blitzer:] All right. Appreciate it. Apparently, there's a major development off the coast of Japan. Chad Meyers is standing by. A large earthquake? Chad, what happened?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] 7.3 in the same relative area as the much larger earthquake that caused the big tsunami years ago. 300 miles from Tokyo right there. That's not the real concern. The concern is that there may be a small tsunami that comes off of this toward the coast where they had the much larger tsunami earlier. But what I'm worried is the Fukushima Daiichi Power Plant. It is a triple nuclear reactor with water hanging up, with rods basically almost in thin air, just a little bit of water around them. We're still going to have to see these guys don't need shaking and certainly not a 7.3 earthquake. Technically, this would be still an aftershock. You would say, wait, that happened a couple years ago. Two years is a long time in people time. But it's certainly not a long time in earth time. So still a shock, still a quake, still a movement along the same fault that the large quake was. We'll keep watching it for you. Right now, so far, so good. No alerts for the U.S. or Hawaii.
[Blitzer:] No tsunami alerts or anything along those lines, right?
[Myers:] Correct.
[Blitzer:] Chad, thanks very much.
[Myers:] Thanks.
[Blitzer:] Chad Myers reporting. International outrage over NSA surveillance. Now allies are demanding answers. We'll talk about that and more with former Congresswoman Jane Harman, get her reaction, whether the anger out there among the allies is justified.

[Unidentified Nurse:] We never talked about Ebola and we probably should have.
[Unidentified Male:] You never talked about it prior to Mr. Duncan arriving?
[Unidentified Nurse:] No. We never had a discussion. They gave us an optional seminar to go to, just informational, not hands-on. I just don't think any facility in this country is prepared for that at this time.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Sean Kaufman, we appreciate it. Hope to stay in communication with you in the coming: That was a colleague of the two Dallas nurses now infected with Ebola after treating a Liberian man who lost his battle with the virus. That nurse claims inadequate training, sparking serious questions about the federal agency charged with managing Ebola in the United States.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] @THISHOUR the man who has become the face of the federal response is gearing up to face questions on Capitol Hill. CDC director, Tom Frieden, is scheduled to testify at noon before a House subcommittee. As of now, at least two Republican Congressmen are calling for his resignation.
[Pereira:] But is that the solution? Joining us, are political commentators, Reihan Salam and Sally Kohn. Good to have you both here. I was thinking, Reihan, it seems we go to the head and say "off with their heads" and find a new leader. Is that the right answer here?
[Reihan Salam, Cnn Political Commentator:] I think it's about accountability. Whether or not you're directly responsible for what happened and this is a very challenging situation, it's a why of demonstrating that you're the captain and you're going to take the hit. I think it does make sense for that reason.
[Berman:] Sally, one of the things that's happened here is the response has stumbled at best. At this Texas hospital, he was turned away, Thomas Eric Duncan turned away, then admitted. Once admitted, two health care workers infected. People say it didn't go as it was supposed to go. They have lost faith in the system that we were told was in place beforehand. So if you are the president now, how do you restore that faith?
[Sally Kohn, Cnn Political Commentator:] Let's be clear and there's reasons we don't want to overreact and spread panic. We should be clear in Nebraska and in Atlanta, they have handled these cases well. So to say there's an outbreak, to say there's a danger, we need to be doing more. We are doing more. Let's be really careful and temp down the panic, number one. Number two, if we're going to talk about the politics of this, we have to be clear that conservatives have for 40 years been bashing and slashing government and then suddenly are complaining when it's not there and up to the task. So there is is a repercussion of a culture. We had Ted Cruz in an op-ed for CNN said Americans don't really trust government to be there in a crisis. Well, no crap, they don't. He's been telling them not to trust government ever since he got in office. If we want government to be here, it's called a public health crisis for a reason. The private hospital failed. If we want government to work, we have to invest in government and believe in government and not be kicking and passing it.
[Salam:] But past legislation called for spending to be $300 million higher than President Obama requested for the CDC. There are plenty of conservatives that believe government is bloated. They also believe there are certain core functions of government that ought to be undertaken with great seriousness and ought to be done well and they are willing to fund those sources. In fact, many people complain that Republicans are very happy to finance defense, right, and spend vast sums of money on it and also on things like the CDC because that is a core function of government. When you expand too greatly, you actually neglect those core functions. what a Republican Congress passed
[Pereira:] No surprise. They don't agree on this one. I'm wondering if they'll agree on this issue. We've heard some voices calling, in fact, John Boehner, pushing for a travel ban from West Africa. I'm wondering if you think, Reihan, it's the right thing to do. I'll start with you, Sally. Is it the right thing to do or is it perception versus reality? Is it going to make people feel better or put people at risk of being cut off from the supplies, et cetera?
[Kohn:] Public health experts and public health economists, they all agree this is a risky thing to do, not only because it is an impediment to people going there to actually help, but you start to further cripple the region economically. We should know countries like England, France, that have a higher likelihood of seeing people infected arriving in the country, to impose a travel ban. It also incentivizes people to lie about where they've been. They can go to other countries, people who have means, who want to come to countries where they can get better care. We don't want that to happen. Let's not over react. Let's not start calling for heads and drastic measures and over politicizing this issue.
[Pereira:] Riehan?
[Salam:] I think airport screening tends to be very expensive and very ineffective. I think many hawks, like myself, believe you ought to fight ISIS in Iraq. Simply you have to fight Ebola where the crisis is raging. I think that's the way you have to think about it. I agree the travel ban is not the idea.
[Pereira:] You agree!
[Kohn:] I agree with that.
[Berman:] Thank you guys for being here.
[Pereira:] All right, less than an hour from now, the CDC Director Tom Frieden is due to face the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee. We'll be joined by a key director at the National Institutes of Health and several other administration officials at the helm of the Ebola fight. That will start around noon eastern. CNN will bring it to you here live.
[Berman:] Also ahead this hour, we'll take a look back at a very personal journey from a very awesome person who comes from a very awesome family. Learn the story behind Christine Romans.

[Burnett:] Damning new evidence tonight in the murder trial involving former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez. The judge ruling today the jurors will be allowed to see surveillance video that apparently shows Hernandez dismantling what would be a crucial piece of evidence, a cell phone. Police are also revealing what they encountered when they arrived at Hernandez's home, hours after Odin Lloyd was murdered. Susan Candiotti is OUTFRONT in Fall River, Massachusetts.
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] The night Odin Lloyd's bullet-riddled body is found among dirt piles in an industrial park, police quickly find clues.
[Officer John Grim, North Attleboro Police Department:] Inside of that we located a Massachusetts driver's license which we were able to ID the man that was lying on the ground as a Mr. Odin Lloyd from Boston, Massachusetts.
[Candiotti:] And keys to car rented by former Patriot tight end, Aaron Hernandez. About four hours later, it leads investigators straight to the star football player's home about 10:00 that same night. This video from his own security cameras shows two investigators trying to find him.
[Unidentified Male:] What is trooper doing? Knocking on the door. What you doing? Ringing the doorbell.
[Candiotti:] Lights are on but no answer. Jurors watch investigators on video using flashlights looking around the house. At one point, one cop uses his hands to boost his partner high enough to peek inside Hernandez's garage window looking for the rental car. The defense demands to know why Hernandez should have to answer his door at that hour.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you know of any requirement that a private citizen at Attleboro has to answer his door at 10:30 at night, sir? No, he does not have to.
[Candiotti:] Finally, Hernandez comes outside telling them he was watching them on the security system. Police ask him about Odin Lloyd and a rental car.
[Detective Daniel Arrighi, North Attleboro Police Department:] He informed that his boy has it. He informed us that he was up his way yesterday.
[Candiotti:] Police testify Hernandez gets aggravated.
[Arrighi:] He became upset and turned away from us.
[Candiotti:] He goes to the police station voluntarily but is not arrested until nine days later. Prosecutors also show new crime scene photos. Two bullets, one with fibers. They say sifted from dirt below the victim shot six times. And a.22 caliber pistol found in a wooded area just outside the crime scene. It's not the murder weapon still missing. On cross-examination, the defense repeatedly attacks investigators, accusing them of sloppy work in measuring the crime scene.
[Unidentified Male:] When you wrote five to ten foot that was not accurate. Is that what you're telling us today, sir? It was in approximation, sir. So, when you said five to 10 in your report, would you agree that was a mistake? I indicated it was in approximation. Did anybody measure it? No, we did not. We weren't instructed to take any measurements.
[Candiotti:] The defense fights it, but the judge rules the jury can see a surveillance video that could hurt Aaron Hernandez. On this video, Hernandez is seen dismantling, taking apart his cell phone while sitting in his attorney's car in the police parking lot. And then he borrows his lawyer's car to call Earnest Wallace who was charged with Lloyd's murder. The defense says this is a violation of attorney-client privilege but the judge said no way. That Hernandez had no expectation of privacy sitting in that open police parking lot. And, Erin, we could see that video tape as early as next week Erin. Al right. I cannot wait to see that. Susan, thank you. Paul Callan is with me. OK. You dismantle your cell phone and get into another car to call someone else who is allegedly there. Pretty damming.
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, you know what, when I first heard this story, I thought it was very damming because the initial reports were that he had damaged his phone, or tried to destroy his phone. In fact, if he was just taking it apart. I think he was just taking the battery out of the phone, then he apparently puts the battery back in phone when he gets the lawyers phone to look up the number he's calling. So, why would he do that? Why would he dissemble his phone like that? The only theory that I have is that people think that there's technology out there and I think you actually had a guest on the show once who said that you can turn a phone into a micro phone and ease drop on somebody. So, Hernandez thought the cops had his phone wiretapped and he was about to call an accomplice in the case. And so, he gets his lawyer's phone to make the call because he knows that one is not tapped. I think that's what the prosecutor is going to argue that this means.
[Burnett:] Well, this will be fascinating. All right. Paul Callan, thank you very much. I also have to say 9:40 at night, you know, you should be able to answer your door. I will say that, 9:40 at night. It shouldn't take you 45 minutes to get to the door.
[Callan:] They weren't in uniform. You notice that. So
[Burnett:] All right. OUTFRONT next, Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the truth about why she slept during the State of the Union.
[Ruth Bader Ginsburg, U.s. Supreme Court Justice:] When that, at least I wasn't 100 percent sober because before we went to the State of the Union

[Baldwin:] It has never happened before, but North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is planning to leave the confines of his hermit kingdom. His destination? Russia. An invite coming directly from President Vladimir Putin himself. Let's go to Moscow to our correspondent there, Matthew Chance, our senior international correspondent. I have a lot of questions for you. Let's just begin with, how exactly does one send on invite to Kim Jong-un? What did this look like?
[Matthew Chance, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] I haven't seen it, first of all, but it's an issue of protocol. I mean, there were 68 world leaders that have been invited to this enormous event that is being staged on May the 9th here in the Russian capital. It's to commemorate Victory Day, which is the end of the Second World War, essentially, and every year it's a big event, but this year is the 70th anniversary and so the Russians are going very big on it. And they have invited everybody they can, including President Obama, who has declined, including European leaders, some of whom have also declined. But, astonishingly, Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, who has never been on a trip outside of North Korea, as far as we're aware, at least since he inherited the presidency or the leadership there in 2011, he accepted. And so he will be standing shoulder to shoulder with Vladimir Putin watching these soldiers parade through Red Square to commemorate the end of the Second World War.
[Baldwin:] Since this is such a significant visit, do we have any idea yet what, Matthew, the Kremlin is planning for Kim Jong-un?
[Chance:] Well, there'll be that big event and that will be the main event that he will be attending if he comes along with all those other world leaders. And 2015 has also been announced as the year of friendship between Russia and North Korea. And so I don't know this for sure, but my expectation is there'll be cultural agreements, business agreements between the two countries as well. It's also a possible opportunity for Kim Jong-un to meet with Xi Jinping, the Chinese leader. Remember, China is the main backer of North Korea at the moment, although that might change if the relationship with Russia gets closer. But those two figures have never met. Xi Jinping is going to be in Moscow attending these Victory Day celebrations along with Kim Jong-un and so the two of them could have an opportunity to get together and talk about their relationship as well. It is a pretty interesting little diplomatic initiative by Moscow to bring all these figures together.
[Baldwin:] The world will be watching. Matthew Chance, thank you very much in Moscow. Coming up next, protests across the country highlighting racial tensions between police and other communities, especially here at the University of Virginia or in Ferguson, Missouri. We will talk to Don Lemon. He has more. He is focusing on the hands up movement tonight for his show. And we will ask Don if he agrees with a recent "Washington Post" columnist that it's actually a lie. Also ahead, the words from a father to a teenager who allegedly planned to attack his son's school, they're simply remarkable. He says to this would-be killer, I understand how you might feel. And it will get better. We will talk to this father live coming up.

[Quest:] The European Central bank kept interest rates on hold as President Mario Draghi talked down the threat of deflation. But he said the weak inflation we're seeing now is a threat, and if it goes on, he will act. The president said he's keeping a close eye on the progress of the recovery.
[Mario Draghi, President, European Central Bank:] As I said many times, we've got to be extremely cautious with this recovery, because it's still fragile and it's still uneven. And it really starts from low levels of activity. But so far, it's proceeding.
[Quest:] Mario Draghi. But you can't help notice that the world's central banks are moving in contrary directions. Some seem bent on a regime of slimming and trimming stimulus, while others are attempting to loosen the monetary corsets. Now, the ECB, for example, may signal that it's going to loosen and have a rate cut. Draghi says he's ready and willing to act. He's looking more for more inflation information. But there's no question about it, the market does believe the ECB needs to do more, whether via LTRO or interest rates or some other form of liquidity provision. On the other hand, the Bank of England is waiting for escape velocity, and with unemployment coming down faster than expected, and at the same time, forward guidance from the new governor Mark Carney looking a little ropey, one might say. Then, of course, everyone's waiting for the forward guidance change, which could probably come with the inflation report next Wednesday. On to the US Fed, and the Federal Reserve, here we have tapering and tightening. Now, they've reduced by $10 billion a month over the last two meetings, and they say that will continue for the rest of the year. The new chair, Janet Yellen, has taken over during the course of February. Although it's not tightening, the amount of stimulus is not as great, and I suppose you could make a semantic argument that there's a tightening involved in that. Finally to the Bank of Japan. And here, of course, we have Abenomics in full throttle, ready to expand stimulus. They've got a target of 2 percent inflation, and already, they presided over a year of almost extraordinary pump priming to try and boost the economy. There's where the central banks are looking. Professor Richard Clarida is professor of economics at Columbia and he joins me now. Good to see you, Richard.
[Richard Clarida, Professor Of Economics, Columbia University:] Good to see you.
[Quest:] Thank you for coming in.
[Clarida:] Absolutely.
[Quest:] So, last night we talked about, on this program, how central banks do not appear to be coordinated at the moment, barely consulting with each other. When you hear that summary then, the central banks are at different points in the scale.
[Clarida:] Absolutely. The Bank of Japan really just got started a year ago doing massive quantitative easing. We expect them to double down on that later this year. Obviously, the Bank of England has done its forward guidance, it hasn't done quantitative easing in a while. The Fed is tapering. And as you correctly said, the inflation data's very soft in Europe, and the ECB will probably act this year.
[Quest:] Right, but here we have a situation where the Fed is withdrawing stimulus, but the ECB is likely to have to add stimulus. Now, if you've got the two largest trading blocs in the world at opposite or contrary monetary positions, is that dangerous?
[Clarida:] I don't think it's dangerous, but it does introduce volatility into the markets, and I think going forward, that will be a fact of life in the global economy, central banks moving on courses that are right for their economies at the time. So, cooperation, coordination is all nice, but usually the most we can get is correlated policies, not cooperating policies. And now, they're less correlated.
[Quest:] Right. That was my next one. Do you believe they're less correlated at the moment?
[Clarida:] Oh
[Quest:] I mean, they all sit around the table, and they all know each other.
[Clarida:] Sure.
[Quest:] And they're on first-name terms.
[Clarida:] Yes. Yes, absolutely. And of course, the important thing with Yellen coming in is she knows this crowd, so she'll hit the ground running in that. But let's don't get off the big picture. The big picture here is we're in a period of very, very easy, accommodative monetary policy for some time to come.
[Quest:] Oh, right.
[Clarida:] So, the Fed is tapering, but it's still buying a lot of securities this year.
[Quest:] Do you buy this idea that we're not going to have deflation in the eurozone?
[Clarida:] I certainly hope not. I have every confidence that Draghi will do whatever it takes to avoid it. But they're getting too close for my comfort, Richard.
[Quest:] Right, but there's nothing much what more can he do? His interest rate is virtually zero bound. He can do liquidity in other ways. He can do a few more LTROs. But if people don't want to borrow, he's between a rock and a hard place.
[Clarida:] Well, there are a couple points, though. The ECB has opened up the possibility that they may directly intervene and start buying loans from banks, secure price loans.
[Quest:] Right.
[Clarida:] That would be a new step. And also remember, Richard, they haven't really done real QE yet. They've had this really complicated
[Quest:] They can't.
[Clarida:] process of
[Quest:] Well, they can't. They can't.
[Clarida:] of rate bumpers. Well, they can do more than they've done, I think.
[Quest:] And you're expecting them to?
[Clarida:] I'm not sure if they'll do more of that, but they'll do more this year.
[Quest:] Good to see you, Richard, come back again.
[Clarida:] Good to see you. Absolutely.
[Quest:] Many thanks, indeed.
[Clarida:] Yes.
[Quest:] Now, the New York Department of Financial Services is the newest member of the gang of law enforcement officials and international regulators investigating banks' foreign exchange trading practices. The banking regulator, Benjamin Lawsky, has asked more than a dozen banks to hand over documents. The probe hopes to determine if banks rigged the $5 trillion-per-day currency markets. Investigators are looking to see if traders manipulated the so-called "fix." The fix is the time of day, at 4:00 PM, 18 minutes ago, when interest rate prices are set. A flurry of trade spotted just before the 4:00 PM deadline makes regulators suspicious. Allegations that bankers got together on chat rooms and shared information about their positions to beat the clock. Arun Srivastava is partner at Baker & McKenzie and joins me now from CNN London. Is this a case I mean, this has the potential, because the forex market, Arun, is so vast, this has the potential to make libor scandal look like a walk in the park.
[Arun Srivastava, Partner, Baker & Mckenzie:] I think that's right. It's an absolutely huge market spanning multiple jurisdictions. So, this case has the hallmarks of the libor case, written much larger, though.
[Quest:] And everybody seems to I say everybody, and I don't mean literally everybody. But all the major banks and all the major players seem to be in some way allegedly implicated.
[Srivastava:] That's right. And there are a lot of banks which have been implicated in the press and investigations. Of course, at the moment, we're at the stage of the investigation without any findings being made. But many major global banks are set to be helping regulators and investigators.
[Quest:] What are they said to have done?
[Srivastava:] Well, there's two central allegations. One is the one that you mentioned already, which is essentially collusion. So, individuals within the bank colluding with other individuals at other banks to manipulate the fix, to position it in a way that is beneficial to them and potentially detrimental to their clients. And if that is proven, it raises issues around potentially fraudulent conduct, but also collusion may result competition issues as well, where there's information sharing. The other central allegation that's made is relating to front running.
[Quest:] Right.
[Srivastava:] And that's essentially where
[Quest:] Where you get ahead of your clients.
[Srivastava:] where you keep information. Yes, exactly. And then you abuse that information and trade on it for your own benefit and again, potentially adverse to your client.
[Quest:] Now, the front running has been around before. There's nothing new about it, necessarily, on the front running. The fixing allegation, of course, is is rigging the whole market, isn't it? If proven, you are rigging the market.
[Srivastava:] I think that's right. It's a far more serious allegation because it more clearly demonstrates a deliberate strategy to pursue an unlawful purpose.
[Quest:] Right. But forex is so vast, Arun. We know with libor, you fix with a certain number of banks and it's a complicated process. But there's not many players involved in the libor fixing mechanism. However, forex is so vast, how could this be done?
[Srivastava:] Yes, it's a fair point to make. And the one point a lot of people have made is that these are such large markets, it's actually very difficult for certain banks for individuals at banks to actually bring about any change in the rates. But one feature of this market is that there's a big concentration of power, if you like, in the foreign exchange market, in a few banks. And also, you can look at currency pairings, which are not liquid. So, not potentially the major currencies, but the currencies which are not traded as frequently as others. Or even in forums or execution venues, which are not as liquid as the larger ones. And these sort of avenues are potentially open to bring about this allegation of rigging of the market.
[Quest:] In a word, we're going to hear more of this, aren't we? This ain't going away fast.
[Srivastava:] This is not going away, and there may be plenty of other benchmarks that are being investigated.
[Quest:] Right.
[Srivastava:] One thing that's happened since libor is it's opened a lot of doors into a lot of other markets, which have got regulators interested.
[Quest:] Good to talk to you. Thank you, sir, for joining us from Baker & McKenzie
[Srivastava:] Thanks a lot. Pleasure.
[Quest:] and putting this into perspective. Appreciate that. Obviously, these are very difficult allegations to discuss, particularly bearing in mind the number of people involved and the complexity. And note, of course, that so far, nothing's been proven. Still to come, Pope Francis' Harley Davidson goes under the hammer in France, and we'll have a look at it in a moment.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Upheaval in the Middle East, a crucial U.S. ally is dead, an entire government crumbles. Is America less safe today? The happiest place on earth? Not so much right now. A measles outbreak linked to Disneyland in California. So what is fueling the comeback of a disease once declared eradicated? And Tom Brady, he might be handsome, but the question today, was he too cute by half? And this question on "Deflate-gate," what if there is no proof? What happens then? All right, happening now, Washington loses two critical allies as power shifts in the Middle East. In Saudi Arabia, it was the death of 90-year-old King Abdullah, hailed by some as a cautious reformer and essential partner in the U.S. fight against both al Qaeda and ISIS, although noted by others as a leader of an oppressive regime that beheads people and flogs writers. His more conservative brother, Salman, has already ascended to the throne. Meanwhile, neighboring Yemen is in chaos after its pro-U.S. president and prime minister resigned. Shiite Houthi rebels are now in control of the capital and the United States is starting to withdraw embassy staff because of safety concerns. And the deadline passed with no word on the fate of two Japanese men held by ISIS on a $200 million ransom demand. A spokesman for the terror group tells a Japanese broadcaster that ISIS will soon release a statement about the hostages. We're looking closely at all of these major developments today. I want to bring in our chief national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto. And, Jim, Saudi Arabia is a close ally of the United States, a complicated alley but a close one, a key friend in the battle against terror. How concerned is the United States now about this transition of power, the death of the king there?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] They're not hugely concerned because, one, the health of King Abdullah, the late King Abdullah, had been in question for some time. The Saudis had a succession plan in place for some time. And you see in that succession plan consistently consistency, rather. Salman, ideologically consistent with his predecessor, now he's put in [inaudible] as the crown prince, so the next in line, another son of the founder of Saudi Arabia. So you see you will likely see a continuation of the policies that we saw under King Abdullah, which who, by Saudi standards, one, a very close ally of the U.S. in the war on terror, but also by Saudi standards a relative reformer. As you know, this is still a country that beheads people. It has flogged a blogger simply for starting a debate about extremism online. It's got a long way to go, but by Saudi standards, he's moved in the right direction. I think U.S. officials expect that to continue.
[Berman:] Yeah. He's a key friend of the United States when it comes to both security and a key influence when it comes to the economy as well. Obviously Saudi Arabia with great control over world oil prices. Jim Sciutto, thanks so much for being with us. I want to turn now to the disturbing new developments in neighboring Yemen. The U.S.-backed government in Yemen has collapsed, and now the United States is pulling more embassy staff out of that country. Our senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh has just left the capital of Yemen, Sanaa. Nick, give us a sense of the latest. Let me know what it was like there in your final moments. Did you get a sense that that country was slipping into just pure chaos?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Interesting to see how the Houthies, frankly, took control. They have had control of the streets for months, but it was clear once the president, prime minister, and cabinet wanted out that we were going to be heading into much more of sort of a spiral towards the unknown. The streets were pretty calm. We heard intermittent sounds of gunfire occasionally, fireworks, though, too. And on our drive out through the airport came across four or five polite, reasonably calm Houthi checkpoints. The Houthi militiamen there, young a lot of them, a lot of them rural too, and that's half of the strength, many say, of the Houthi movement, is fundamentally harnessing the frustrations of sort of the Shia rural poor to a degree. The airport itself was reasonably calm too, although they did appear to be looking for some Yemenis, perhaps former regime members. The issue really, John, now is what next? It was a bit of a high- stakes gamble by the president once his cabinet and prime minister left their jobs to also quit too, and I think in the words of one of his ministers a few days earlier, naming and shaming the deal that was being done with the Houthies for what it really was, which was pretty much the dissolving and weakening of his powers and giving the Houthies kind of what they want, not letting the Houthies run the government without actually having to own it, so to speak. So we're in for a confusing days ahead. The parliament may meet. The speaker under the constitution, I believe, is technically the next in line for acting president, but what do Houthies wish to honor of that is very much the street that's dictating Yemen's politics at the moment. There are talks of the cities in the east or the south seceding, refusing to recognize the Houthi government. They're immediately contradicted, often as soon as you hear them, but it's a very chaotic situation, one of course that will have U.S. diplomatic community slightly on edge, those who remain there, and of course one which will be deeply troubling it neighbor, Saudi Arabia. They see, I think, the hand of Iran there. And I have to say when you see how fast the Houthies have got their act together in the past few months, there has to be somebody presumably helping them become quite so effective. John?
[Berman:] Nick, do you have a sense of what the current status of U.S. influence is inside Yemen, and how well will the United States pursue its battle against al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in that country now that there's been this shift in power?
[Paton Walsh:] I think if you look at how the U.S. functions in states where there's sort of only half compliance I mean, Yemen, I think, is as helpful as it can be but doesn't really have the infrastructure and institutions to throw that much behind the U.S. the U.S. tries to operate more or less independently or at least gather information without necessarily being entirely reliant on the host country. So they will probably carry on much of the counterterror surveillance, human intelligence gathering, I would imagine, as best as they can, given the swirling chaos but the reduction, I'm sure, in embassy staff is going to take some sort of toll as I'm sure would be a degree of restrictions on movements they'll have to undertake if this situation becomes increasingly unstable. And then of course there's the broader issues of what do the Houthies make of all of this. They are not overly anti-American, frankly, when you speak to them, talk to them. They're actually quite polite and pleasant. But one of their slogans is death to America, so it is going to be a complicated relationship for the U.S. to fathom if they decide they have to deal with the Houthies because the Houthies eventually decide they actually want to run Yemen rather than just being the main dominant influence on the streets. And I think that period of confusion too, many as I left were telling me, will give a window for al Qaeda to attack, to grow, and of course a pause in counterterrorism operations is in itself giving the enemy a hand for [inaudible]. John?
[Berman:] All right, Nick Paton Walsh for us in Beirut, having just left Yemen, thanks so much, Nick. @THIS HOUR, the lives of two men hang in the balance. More than 11 hours have passed since the deadline set by ISIS to execute two kidnapped Japanese citizens. ISIS has asked Japan to pay $200 million in ransom. Atika Shubert joins me now. Atika, what is the status at this point of negotiations? Are there negotiations?
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] We don't know if there are negotiations. As far as we know, the Japanese government has said that they have tried to make contact with ISIS through intermediaries such as Jordan, but so far they have not had any success. Having said that, the national broadcaster, NHK, was apparently able to speak to a spokesperson or someone representing ISIS saying that a message would be broadcast soon. Now, it's been many hours since that message from ISIS was received, but we haven't seen any video, anything else come out yet. And as you can imagine, it's an agonizing wait for the families of both men. And at the moment the Japanese government says they are doing everything they can, but they have had no confirmed contact with ISIS so far.
[Berman:] And one of these men, I understand, Atika, has a newborn child at home?
[Shubert:] That's right. Kenji Goto is a very well-known Japanese journalist covering the Middle East, and he left to cover Syria when his baby was just a few weeks old. That's something that his mother said publicly yesterday in a very tearful plea to have him released. His other companion in this was Haruna Yukawa, and he was sort of acting as a security guard for him during this trip. Both men have been held hostage now for a number of months by ISIS, and as you can imagine, it's an agonizing wait for the family as they wait to see whether or not ISIS will spare their lives.
[Berman:] All right, Atika Shubert for us. We again are awaiting word on the fate of these two men, word, we hope, of their safety. Atika, thanks so much. Other stories making headlines today, a Colorado teenager will face sentencing after pleading guilty to trying to join ISIS. Shannon Maureen Connelly told CNN that her name is now Amatullah, which means "servant of Allah." The 19-year-old nursing aide was arrested last year after trying to board a flight to Turkey to meet and marry a ISIS fighter she met online. Her parents say their daughter was a victim of the jihadist group and they worry about other impressionable young other impressionable young Americans. Connelly faces a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Happening this hour, the next step in the new era of U.S.-Cuba relations. A high-level State Department official is talking about the progress made in historic talks this week in Havana. [Inaudible] welcomed seven Cuban dissidents to the U.S. chief of missions residence for a meeting, but Cuban diplomats slammed the United States over the issues of human rights, using Ferguson, New York, and Guantanamo Bay as examples. Activists have said Cuba is one of the worst offenders in the world when it comes to human rights. The number of people trying to take loaded guns on U.S. flights is rising. TSA reports that officers recovered discovered a record 2,200 firearms in travelers' carry-on bags last year. More than 80 percent of those guns were loaded. You're looking at pictures right now of actual firearms recovered. The passengers who were caught face thousands of dollars in fines. You can bring unloaded firearms onto planes but only onto checked bags that go in the belly of a plane. In just a few minutes, the team co-captains of the New England Patriots will face the media, and they no doubt will have to take questions about "Deflate-gate." What can they tell us about the situation right now, the air reportedly missing from 11 Patriots' footballs in Sunday night's AFC championship game against the Colts? The quarterback, Tom Brady, the coach, Bill Belichick, they didn't have any answers really. The NFL only says it is still investigating. If course Tom Brady said they hadn't spoken to him yet as of yesterday. In just a few minutes, we'll speak to a couple of former players, including one former teammate of Tom Brady, to find out what they think should happen and exactly who is to blame. Coming up, a key U.S. ally crumbles. How the turmoil in Yemen goes far beyond its borders, And Mitt Romney, his key aides are meeting today to talk about what exactly? Is the campaign three-peat on? Stay with us.

[Sheriff Richard Jones, Law Enforcement Expert:] when you have got kids involved, everything changes. And the sad thing with this, is we are all - all the rest of us are learning now from what they have had to put up with, these kids throwing bricks.
[Anthony Batts, Baltimore Police Commissioner:] Do you want people using force on 14, 15, 16-year-old kids that are out there? They are old enough to be accountable, but they are still kids, unfortunately.
[Unidentified Male Speaker:] Kids are the ones who are acting out in that manner, but right now the children are going out because they have no recreation parks And they are angry. It is a lot of anger, it is a lot of people that just want things to change in this city.
[Pinsky:] Back with our breaking news, I have got Sam, Spirit, Jennifer, and several people have commented, Sam, on Twitter that you are correct, and you schooled me properly. I want to show you the urban dictionary definition of thug. Let us put that up full screen if we could here. It is just what you said. A word evolved by the late Tupac Shakur, commonly mistaken for a criminal. Thug life is the opposite of someone having all he needs to succeed when you have nothing, when you have overcome all obstacles.
[Schacher:] Yes. Tupac was very wise, very poetic.
[Pinsky:] So, there you go. So, is not it funny how we
[Schacher:] Let us just not further marginalized a group that already feels marginalized and that is how they feel when people call them that.
[Pinsky:] I am persuaded. I am persuaded that we need to adjust our language. I think you guys are right. Alfonso Rachel joins us now. He is a social commentator at PJTV.com. Now, reportedly gangs had declared open season on police, ultimately came together last night, and here now, Alfonso, I am going to show you what they told Don Lemon, take a look.
[Don Lemon, Host Of Cnn Tonight:] What is really going on?
[Unidentified Male Speaker:] Unity. The unity between all of these rivals that would not be together standing right here right now.
[Lemon:] When you see the stuff that happened with the looting and the fire or whatever, is that gang-related? Who is that?
[Unidentified Male Speaker:] No. That is not gang-related. We have nothing to do with that. We are the ones out here that is trying to bring peace and stop everything. It makes us look bad, man, because that is not the cause. We are not worried about looting because we like money. We make money to get whatever we want. We are not out here trying to say that we are saints.
[Pinsky:] Alfonso, what are your thoughts?
[Alfonso Rachel, Social Commentator:] I am glad to hear that they have got that they can agree on a truce. And,we heard that often. It is unfortunate these truces do not seem to last. And, in terms of rival gangs coming together, what I would like to hear is former gang members coming together. I would be impressed with that. Because if you do not want to be seen as a gang banger, you might want to stop being in a gang.
[Pinsky:] So, but a lot of the guys that get out do end up being of service and helping other guys. Do you think they would welcome those guys that are sort of helping people get out of gangs as a part of this truce?
[Rachel:] I can see where it makes it easier to relate to them, you know?
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Rachel:] It is like a cultural connection that they have.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Rachel:] But if you are going to try to lead somebody out of the gang lifestyle, it is kind of difficult for me to get my mind around the logic of saying, "Hey, you want to get out of this lifestyle."
[Pinsky:] Yeah.
[Rachel:] Meanwhile, I am flagging you as a gang member.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Rachel:] You know what I am saying. "OK, if you want know get out of that lifestyle, how about you drop the colors of that lifestyle. And, then we can really have a consistent conversation."
[Pinsky:] I want to show you guys some more from these gang members talking to Don Lemon.
[Unidentified Male Speaker:] Police state where every day we come out, we being harassed by the police, man, they checking out private areas, public areas. It is just out of hand.
[Lemon:] It was said that all of the people who that it all started because gang members said, we are going to riot, we are going to loot
[Unidentified Male Speaker:] That was said my social media. That was said by the commission.
[Pinsky:] Jennifer, I am wondering if there is an alternative motive. I find it confusing. Is it common enemy that is pulling everyone together, you think?
[Keitt:] I am just as confused as you are. What the gentleman just said, to me, makes perfect sense. We need to elevate the conversation right, which means we have to come from this perspective that we are going to try to understand. We are going to try to cooperate. We are going to try to get to solutions, and I do not know how we can do that if we are if we are in lifestyles that are contrary to where we are trying to go. That is my only concern. It is a confusing type of message.
[Pinsky:] Well, it is the only thing they see as an option. Spirit, what do you say?
[Clanton:] Well, I say it is a two-fold thing, Dr. Drew. If you want to lift individuals up out of this lifestyle, then you have to offer them something else.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Clanton:] Many of them, this is the closest thing to family and camaraderie that they know.
[Pinsky:] Absolutely.
[Clanton:] And, so you asked the question about is this a situation where there is a greater common enemy. That is exactly what is happening. I equate this to what happened to the United States the day after 911
[Pinsky:] 911. Yes. I thought the same thing.
[Clanton:] Think about what happened. We all came together. It was about being American. It did not matter if you were black, white, Asian, Hispanic.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Clanton:] We were American, and the common enemy was outside of us.
[Pinsky:] Sam.
[Clanton:] But, then what happened
[Pinsky:] Oops, sorry.
[Clanton:] Slowly, over time, we drifted right back to where we are.
[Pinsky:] That is right. That is right. Sam.
[Schacher:] Not only that, Spirit. You brought up the fact that, you know, what opportunity do they have to kind of be lifted up, right? And, this is also a class issue, because you look at just ten miles away from this epicenter, from east Baltimore, and you have such a different economy. I mean, the difference is so vast. So, you have the difference of people not being able to get jobs because there are not that many new businesses. You have no new schools. I do not know when the last time there was a new a new school built in, in this proximity, which means no afterschool programs. There is not that many athletic programs as well. So, a lot of these kids are left to almost feel oppressed, and in turn we are keeping them down rather than lifting them up if that makes sense.
[Pinsky:] Alfonso
[Clanton:] Which is why the conversation
[Pinsky:] Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I want to get Alfonso.
[Rachel:] family, and these these youths are looking for some similar of family, and they are depending on a street surrogate. They are looking for a state surrogate.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Rachel:] They are looking for these afterschool problems. The problem of it is, is that there is no intact family unit.
[Schacher:] Right.
[Rachel:] There is a total imbalance in the streets, because at the core in their home there is an imbalance.
[Pinsky:] How do we solve it? What do we do?
[Rachel:] That has play outside of your home.
[Pinsky:] Well, Alfonson, what do we do? It is easy to stay, now what do we do about it?
[Rachel:] Let us get away from promoting this lifestyle and celebrating the single mom dynamic. You go girl! It is like, "No, no, this is bad. This is not something to celebrate." These kids out there are totally confused. They are looking for somebody to play their daddy in the streets, gang member to play their daddy. They are looking for the state to play their daddy. They were raised in the schools. This stuff has to stop. We cannot blame this on their lack of afterschool programs. These kids need a dad who takes them to the park. These kids need a dad who are honorable husbands to their wives. That is what they need. That is what is missing.
[Pinsky:] And, statistically though, you are right, Alfonso, but given that the horse is out of the barn so to speak with the kids, do you not agree that each of us could play a substantial role if we reach out and be a part of and participate in and be of service to any one of these communities, do you agree?
[Rachel:] In terms of being observant, absolutely, but in being a service, it has to stop this patronizing circle of "OK. We are in this situation. The horse is out of the barn. Now, this is what we are going to do." No, we have to stop and start promoting getting back to the nuclear family.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Rachel:] So, people have a better chance of being, you know, growing up
[Pinsky:] Alfonso. I do not understand how people can disagree with you saying that one thing, which is that families are important for children, they are important for raising healthy children, and they have been that way so long as humans have been in existence, period. End of story. So, how can you argue with that? But, the question becomes how do we help with this? Experts disagree about what is wrong. What is wrong with these cities? How to fix it? We are back with more after this.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Here we go, and they're here, James Taylor, his wife, Kim. It is so lovely to see you all. Come on over. It's chilly here in Boston. It's a chilly, chilly, chilly. So it's a pleasure to see you. We keep bumping into each other here in Boston, Boston Strong show. It's lovely to see both of you, a happier occasion finally. I love that I'm standing with you so closely. Forgive me, but it is
[James Taylor, Musician:] I'm liking it, too.
[Baldwin:] So we're talking to you because this is really a special moment, not just for Boston, for the nation as everyone mourned with what happened six months ago. You two are singing "America the Beautiful," national anthem tonight. Do you call the Sox or did the Sox call you?
[J. Taylor:] I don't know exactly how it happened. Kim called me and told me it was on. That's how I knew, so I think someone called her.
[Baldwin:] They called you. Now, this is a superstitious sport.
[J. Taylor:] It is.
[Baldwin:] So we know what happened in '04 and in '07. You performed, game two, both of those, and we know the sweeping that happened to the Sox. But tonight will be different. Why?
[J. Taylor:] Well, you know, it's always unpredictable. You know, it's you can never be sure, and you certainly don't want to jinx it.
[Baldwin:] No jinxing.
[Kim Taylor, Wife Of James Taylor:] No jinxing.
[J. Taylor:] We're going to work on our anti-jinx.
[K. Taylor:] Many layers of sox paraphernalia.
[J. Taylor:] It's deep. It's profound and passionate. It does. Tonight is different. It feels like a sadder and wiser Boston, but somehow, we pull together and carry on, you know? It's really it's wonderful that this has happened this year. You know what I'm saying?
[Baldwin:] I do know what you're saying. I think I know what you're saying, James Taylor. What is it, though, about your music, do you think, that has this to me I feel like crisis after crisis, you know? You have this power to unite. You do. You're shaking your head, but to help heal. What is it about your music, do you think, that has that kind of power?
[J. Taylor:] It's music in general. You know, music is it reminds us that the universe loves us. That's what it is. It is music is a human language, but it's also a physical reality in the universe, undeniable, empirically true, so it shows us that there is grace. You know, there's no mistake that the church has always, you know, been the home of music, and that it's always associated with sort of spiritual things, you know, because it is.
[Baldwin:] I see people nodding. I wish you could see the crowd that has and everyone is nodding about the grace and the healing and the applause. Kim, do I see a Red Sox beard sported on your husband?
[K. Taylor:] Yes, that's exactly what you see.
[Baldwin:] Is that what that is?
[J. Taylor:] You've got to look quick because it's going.
[Baldwin:] He is James Taylor is sporting the Red Sox beard.
[K. Taylor:] We tried it, but
[Baldwin:] So you're saying ixnay on the beard once they win the Series? Is that the plan?
[K. Taylor:] Its demise might be a little sooner than that.
[J. Taylor:] I don't know. That might be bad.
[K. Taylor:] It might be bad karma? We don't know.
[Baldwin:] Yeah, we don't know, again, superstitious sport.
[J. Taylor:] We're sticking with the beard through the series.
[Baldwin:] Final question, as we're surrounded with I see Cardinal fans as well, but what is it about this baseball team that you seems like this story, this team here, this year has really superseded sports. How has this team helped this city heal?
[K. Taylor:] I think they were so quick, I mean, literally, the day of the marathon bombing
[Baldwin:] They played right here, the day.
[K. Taylor:] And then they responded with so many ways, visited the people who were injured in the hospital, have kept up the connection. And it's just has been such a good year to be good, to play so well and to be such stand-up guys. It's just it's an amazing confluence of events, and Boston needed it. And there they were. And here we are.
[Baldwin:] And here we are. Kim and James, thank you both. We'll be watching you all.
[J. Taylor:] We'll stay here forever.
[Baldwin:] Deal. I'm not letting go. So, James Taylor and Kim, life highlight, happening right now on CNN. Thank you both very much. Coming up, he was just doing his schoolwork here. A Cleveland student was told to write a poem about something that made him angry, so he did, and it had to do with the football team he was on. And that got him suspended from the team and the school. Coming up next, we're going to talk to this youngster. He's going to read us the poem that apparently got him in so much trouble. We will be right back.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, thanks for joining us. There is breaking news tonight on the Bowe Bergdahl controversy, including revelations from a closed-door White House briefing tonight on Capitol Hill, which we just learn included a video, apparently showing Sergeant Bergdahl's declining health. It didn't however, put out the political firestorm and we'll discuss that, to mention shortly tonight. As always, though, our focus first is on the facts and there are plenty of new facts that we have learned tonight. New information about the kind of soldier Bowe Bergdahl was before he vanished. There is also this, for the first time tonight we have a view to the rarest of battlefield moments: two bitter enemies meeting under temporary truce. American Special Forces and Taliban fighters face to face. Their steps carefully choreographed, tension, obviously, high as Sergeant Bergdahl is delivered after five years in captivity back into American hands. You should know that the video was shot by the Taliban who are now using this as propaganda throughout the region. That said, there is much more to it than that. So, we'll take a closer look at the video in a moment. But first, though, the breaking news, what we're learning about the Army's initial investigation into then Private Bergdahl's disappearance and the intelligence that led the deal for his return. Barbara Starr has that. She joins us now from the Pentagon. So, over the past few days, Barbara, there's been a lot said about Bergdahl's time as a soldier, people who served with him call him a deserter. You're finding out the commanders painted a different picture of him, correct?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, that is right. Anderson, good evening. There was an initial fact-finding investigation when Bergdahl first disappeared. I've spoken to a source who's been briefed on those findings and knows them in detail. This source telling me that Bergdahl's own commanders said he was a good soldier, that he did what he was supposed to do. At some point the other troops in the unit reported that Bergdahl appeared bored and started saying things about wanting the unit to do more. That he thought the unit was too passive. But here is something else that is quite interesting. The troops also reported that Bergdahl had left, indeed, the unit once before, that he had gotten outside the wire. Well, how did that happen? And what does that say about unit security? Because if Bergdahl could slip past the concertino wire that also means the Taliban might have been able to find a way to get in. What kind of security, what kind of oversight, what kind of command was in this unit? These questions are likely to start being raised, Anderson.
[Cooper:] Yeah, I mean the bottom line is that there is still a lot we don't know exactly about the circumstances that led up to this and also about his actual departure. You are also learning more about why there may have been growing concern about his health and safety in the videos.
[Starr:] That is right, there's now been two recent videos not released to the public, as you mentioned, one played for Congress earlier today. Sources who are familiar with the content tell us those videos do in fact show him in declining health. That, plus there was additional intelligence, we're not being told what it was, but it was briefed to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel in the last several days. It led to a great deal of concern, we're told about his declining health and his safety. Officials saying that as the U.S. was beginning to draw down troops in Afghanistan, they were becoming very concerned that Bergdahl would be seen by the Taliban as being not such a valuable hostage anymore.
[Cooper:] What are you hearing about the Taliban video showing the handoff of Bergdahl to Special Forces? I imagine it is obviously a topic of interest, certainly, within the Pentagon where you are.
[Starr:] It has, of course, been topic number one around the Pentagon always today. Look, people are looking at Bergdahl and there is a lot of humanitarian concern about this man's situation. But they are looking at those Special Operations forces coming off the helicopter. These guys are the real deal. They were either SEAL Team 6, Army Delta Force, maybe some CIA. Those are the guys that usually work together on this kind of operations. They got off the plane, weapons hidden, and walked straight towards the Taliban. They were in control, they knew what they were doing, it was choreographed. Like I said, those guys that you see there getting of the helicopter, they are viewed around the Pentagon as the real deal, Anderson.
[Cooper:] Well, it's also interesting because you see one of the assuming officer, walking backwards, not turning his back on the Taliban, and also another guy sort of patting down Bergdahl's back, before escorting him to the chapter, then they actually give him a more thorough search before actually letting him on the chopper, in case of any sort any sort of devices. You see one of the officers there on the left starting to work backward, there just quick pat down Bergdahl, they walk him toward the chopper, we'll get him to a little bit more. Barbara Starr, I appreciate the update, there is more footage now of Bergdahl's return as seen and narrated by his captors. It took place in eastern Afghanistan Khost province. We have added the sub titles, this is being seen around the entire region, let's take a look. It is fascinating to hear their vantage point on this. The entire video runs considerably longer. Again, that is being used by the Taliban as propaganda. It is also the only window we have into Bowe Bergdahl's first minutes of freedom. Chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto walks us through it.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Correspondent:] The riveting eight-minute Taliban propaganda video contains intriguing clues about Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, his Taliban captors and his American rescues. A thin, aging Bergdahl blinks repeatedly, while seated in the pickup truck. And again, as he stands looking at the approaching American helicopter, signs his eyes were unused to natural light or signs of emotion. At one point, Bergdahl manages a brief, awkward smile, evidence of happiness or nervousness, one captor then taps him three times on the shoulder and says to him, don't come back to Afghanistan, next time you won't make it out alive. An ominous threat and sign of fear between captor and captive. A Taliban narrator sets the scene.
[Unidentified Male:] We waited in the area for around ten minutes before the helicopters arrived. And there were 18 Mujahideen fighters with me in the area, and we had armed Mujahideen on the peaks of the hills around the area.
[Sciutto:] And he is carrying a white plastic bag, the contents unknown. Then, the unprecedented face to face meeting between U.S. Special Forces and the Taliban fighters. Handshakes, an American places his left arm across his chest, an Afghan sign of respect. Another quickly frisks Bergdahl. The Taliban narrator recounts what he claims they said to each other.
[Unidentified Male:] They first asked us about the health condition of the captive, and told us to tell them the truth if he was not well. But we saw that he was fine and told them that.
[Sciutto:] The soldiers waved, one keeping his eyes locked on the Taliban even as he walks backwards. Bergdahl keeps his eyes focused straight ahead. He is stumbling, the legs of a man repeatedly shackled or just a nervous walk across rocky terrain. At the helo, Bergdahl is patted down once again, this time much more thoroughly. A precaution against a bomb or booby trap. The black hawk helicopter disappears into the sky. U.S. officials say don't read too much into Bergdahl's physical appearance in this video. They say that two previous proof of live videos they obtained in the month before his release showed several signs of his declining health and that was enough to accelerate efforts for this prisoner exchange. Jim Sciutto, CNN, Washington.
[Cooper:] Well, between the video, new details about Sergeant Bergdahl's time in captivity, and continuing outcry surrounding the deal to free him. There's certainly a lot to talk about. Joining us is Dan O'Shea, former Navy SEAL commander and former coordinator of the hostage working group, the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. Also, national security Analyst Peter Bergen and investigative reporter David Rohde who endured seven months in Taliban captivity before managing to escape and he was with "The New York Times," he's now with Reuters. David, obviously, you didn't go through a swap like this. But what do you see in that video when you see Bergdahl blinking in the light?
[David Rohde, Reuters:] The blinking the way he acts seems completely natural to me, when they show him, and he's sort of sitting up in the back of a truck, that is exactly how they moved me around. They always had a turban or some kind of cloth or a bag over my head whenever they moved me. And I think he was lying down in the back of the truck, they sat him up. They took the bag off. And that's why he's blinking. So, it doesn't you know, surprise me. I thought, you know, his walk looked good.
[Cooper:] And dressed the way you were dressed?
[Rohde:] I think they bought him new clothes. I mean so, what people are right about is that I think the Taliban knew this deal was in the works. And so there is a period between when there is his declining health, and they might have been treating him better in the last few weeks or months. And they were definitely, I think, they let him maybe it was his choice to shave whatever beard he had, or shave his hair and they gave him new clothes to make him look better. And he smiles because this is the moment he has been waiting for, for five years. I mean the Taliban there themselves says that Bowe Bergdahl was thrilled to see an American helicopter.
[Cooper:] Yeah, Dan, the American personnel in the video, it's interesting, the men who walked up to retrieve Bergdahl certainly not wearing uniforms. It's there is a very important reason for that, you said. Dan.
[Dan O'shea, U.s. Navy Seal Commander:] Oh, sorry.
[Cooper:] That's OK.
[O'shea:] I thought you were directing that back to David.
[Cooper:] No, that is OK.
[O'shea:] Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course, they're going to be dressed they're not going to be dressed in uniform. They are you have got to understand this situation is very tenuous, one of the most dangerous parts of the personal recovery is that moment when the U.S. Forces are trying to recover that downed pilot or this missing American, i.e. Bergdahl. So, they want to present as non-threatening, you know, overture, to the turnover piece. So, you know, there is a flip side to it, too. These guys obviously they don't look like they're threatening, but you can guarantee these guys are armed to the teeth and are ready to respond. And you can see that in the demeanor in the way they approach the Taliban and so on, so forth. So, they were ready for everything as were all the other helicopters and the overhead support, probably an AC-130 gunship on stand, but it that if the situation turned for the worse they would have been ready to respond immediately.
[Cooper:] And Dan, you really get a sense of how tense this moment is, this exchange, by the searching the kind of the quick bag search of Bergdahl's bag and then the much more kind of involved, full body search as he's being stepped into the helicopter. They had no idea if he could have been wired with an explosive device.
[O'shea:] Yeah, of course. That has got to be a fear that they were going to be walking into an ambush. We had cases of that in Iraq. We'd get a report that there was hostage held in a certain house, we would send forces into the room, and they would be come at detonated IEDs or improvised explosive devices imbedding in the walls. So, of course, they are very cautious walking up, they gave first a cursory search to ensure he was not wearing a vest and then a more thorough search when he got to the helicopter to make sure there was not any type of bomb and or a weapon that could have been used and they just They do this in all situations, it's not just with Bergdahl, but this is part of the protocol in the first recovery mission, that they have to treat all hostages and secure them and make sure there's nothing that can harm the hostage and or the rescuers themselves.
[Cooper:] Peter, you know, we've talked a lot on this program with you about the possible deal with the Taliban, negotiations with the Taliban. It is fascinating to see, actually, the Taliban and the U.S. military coming face to face as a result of this more limited deal.
[Peter Bergen, National Security Analyst:] Yeah, and you know, combat troops, as you know, Anderson, are going to be pulled out of Afghanistan at the end of December 2014. And traditionally, at the end of hostilities, there is a prisoner of war exchange, there are 18 other Afghans who are still in Guantanamo. If we're not in a state of war with the Taliban, as a legal or military matter you can imagine that there will be other releases and probably less controversial. Because the other 18 that are still in did are not the five that we've seen who, you know, did play leadership roles in the Taliban.
[Cooper:] David, I know you wanted to come in, and sort of the the kind of the homeland comparisons that some are making, and kind of the undercurrent do you feel there is an undercurrent of I don't know if it is anti-Muslim sentiment, or how do you see the reaction to what's going on?
[Rohde:] It is strange, because this scene today, reminded me exactly like my captivity, and it's very odd to see everyone dissecting why is he blinking? And what does it mean that he is smiling, someone questioned did he had Stockholm syndrome, because he's smiling. I think that is unfair to Bowe Bergdahl. He has to answer these questions about why I left this base, but people have dissected his father's beard. You know, the father grew that beard in solidarity with his son. The family is Christian, they are not Muslims, there is a rumor that the Bergdahls are Muslim. That is totally false. And it is just it's just disturbing. I mean the problem is not Islam, it's not some mysterious force that brainwashes people, you know, it is violent extremists.
[Cooper:] Peter, you like David have also been in contact with Bergdahl family, I know, over the years. Do you think the of some of these theories is premature. I mean it does seem like we don't know the full details of exactly what happened to this young soldier?
[Rohde:] Yeah, well, I mean you know one thing that was very interesting. In the WikiLeaks cables that talk about what happened. It's there is very conflicting information. I mean there is some suggesting that he was taken while he was on the latrine, there are some suggestions that he wandered off. And it is not at all clear. These are contemporaneous accounts, not relying on people's memories five years later. So, I mean that is still a very much an open questions, but, you know, Bowe Bergdahl's dad a very smart guy, and he reached out to people like David who obviously knew better than anybody else what was happening to his son. And he also reached now to people who are experts in al Qaeda and the Taliban, he wanted to find out what was the mindset of these people who were holding his son in a way to kind of understand them. And as the negotiation went forward he felt that that was useful information to know.
[Cooper:] Peter Bergen, it is good to have you on. Dan O'Shea, David Rohde as well. A quick reminder, make sure you set your DVRs, so you can watch "360" whenever you like. Next, the political follow up for President Obama including what was said inside that classified briefing tonight on Capitol Hill. We're getting some reports. Later, Bowe Bergdahl's unconventional upbringing, what if anything it says about the soldier that he became.

[Fredricka Whitfield, Cnn Anchor:] All right, much more straight ahead in the NEWSROOM and it all starts right now. Hello again, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Here are the top stories we're following in the CNN NEWSROOM this hour. Who is this little girl? Police in Greece want to know, she doesn't look anything like the couple claiming to be her parents and they're now under arrest. Florida prison officials call it a system failure, two murderers dupe the system, walking out the door and creating an intensive manhunt. In New York, a different search but no less frantic, in a city of 8 million, the hunt is on for one 14-year-old boy, he has autism and hasn't been seen in two weeks. Greek authorities are looking to help solve a mystery. This little girl was first spotted in a gypsy community outside Athens. Police were suspicious that a couple claiming to be the parents of a blonde haired, blue-eyed child didn't seem to match up. DNA testing revealed she is not related to either of them. So now police are trying to figure out who she really is. I spoke earlier with a spokesman for a Greek charity that is caring for the little girl who talked about the confusion surrounding the case.
[Panagiotis Pardalis, Spokesman, "the Smile Of The Child":] We are only making assumptions, police authorities only make assumptions right now, and there's an investigation going on. So even, I mean, we make assumptions about her age. We think that she's four. We don't have anything about her origin, so we don't really know everything. So everything needs to be clarified.
[Whitfield:] The couple claiming to be the girl's parents have been arrested and they're charged with abduction of a minor. Also this morning the parents and lawyer of a missing autistic teen are desperately asking for help to find him. Avonte Oquendo ran out of his school in New York on October 4th, and hasn't been seen since. Police and volunteers have pulled out all the stops to find him. Alexandra Field is live for us now in New York. You attended the press conference earlier. So Alexandra, what are the parents saying and where is the search focusing on right now?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Fredricka, these parents are in a profound amount of pain, you see it in their eyes and they want this search to be happening everywhere. That's why they spoke at a press conference in Harlem this morning with Reverend Al Sharpton. They're trying to recruit more volunteers to join in the effort to find Avonte Oquendo. His mother spoke about what the last 15 days have been like without her missing 14-year-old son.
[Vanessa Fontaine, Avonte's Mother:] It is just terrible, like a nightmare. I can't wake up from, you know, every day waiting to see my son come home, praying that someone has found him. I don't wish this on anyone, any family, to experience this, and this should have never happened.
[Unidentified Male:] If someone sees him, what do you want them to do, how should they handle it?
[Fontaine:] I want them to call the authorities. I don't want them to call the next day, a couple hours later, saying I seen him, you see him, you know, just hold onto him, if you can, you know? Follow him if you can, but make that call, make that call.
[Field:] Avonte's father also spoke this morning, he asked every single New Yorker to join the search, in a very simple way, he wants people to step outside for 5 minutes, open their eyes, look around. This child's face is plastered everywhere. Avonte was last seen on October 4th when surveillance camera captured him walking down the hall of his school and running out the door. Since then, hundreds of police officers and volunteers have canvassed the city. They have searched on boats. They have searched by air. They have searched on foot. The family wants yet more volunteers to join them now in again canvassing the city to try to find Avonte Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] All right, Alexandra Field, thank you so much. Onto Florida now where two convicted killers simply walked away from a prison there, and they're still on the loose. Today, officials are offering a $10,000 reward each for their arrest. Charles Walker and Joseph Jenkins have been free awhile now, using forged documents, although authorities only learned of their escape this week. Nick Valencia has more.
[Sheriff Jerry Demings, Orange County, Florida:] There have been tips being received in terms of legitimate spotting.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Two convicted killers on the loose. Free after they used forged documents to get an early release from a Florida prison, but how did Joseph Jenkins and Charles Walker duped the system? That's a question no one seems to be able to answer and a mistake no one wants to own.
[Demings:] I'm not here to point fingers at anyone. There will be plenty of that to go around eventually I'm sure.
[Valencia:] In Between the fingers of Evangelina Kearse is a letter from the Florida Department of Corrections about her son's killer, Charles Walker. It says his release was beyond their control.
[Evangelina Kearse:] We are in shocked, frightened, and the system let us down for letting a murderer go free. I understand that the state attorney and the judge had nothing to do with it. But somebody, I don't know if it was an inside job, whoever did help him. I do believe that. They had to have help.
[Judge Belvin Perry, Orange County Circuit Court:] This is somewhat ingenious.
[Valencia:] It was the fake signature of Judge Belvin Perry that ordered the release of both Walker and Jenkins. The high profile judge says he's not entirely surprised.
[Perry:] People, particular people with criminal minds come up with ingenious ways to beat the system. They have nothing but time on their hands to think of things.
[Valencia:] The Department of Corrections, which allowed the release said they were only following procedures and was, quote, "not at fault." We don't have the statute or authority to question the court's decision, a spokeswoman said. This will be a lesson learned for all involved. The Florida Department of Corrections has since made changes to the process of early releases. They tell CNN they would require verifications from the sentencing judge before any other inmates are released early.
[Whitfield:] Nick Valencia joining me live outside the Franklin Correctional Institute. Nick, what more can you tell us about where they're focusing this search?
[Valencia:] Fred, we've learned this isn't the first time a Florida inmate has tried to use fraudulent documents to get out of prison early. In 2011, Jeffrey Forbes tried to use forged paperwork for an early release, he was caught. That leaves a lot of people wondering after two years, why Florida state officials weren't better prepared this time around. As far as this investigation is concerned, the manhunt is on-going, state officials here have reason to believe the two suspects are still in the state of Florida Fred.
[Whitfield:] Nick Valencia, thank you so much. The search for the two escapees in Florida is one of the stories Don Lemon will be looking at in a CNN special called "Making The Case" that's tonight at 8:00 Eastern Time. Don and a group of legal analysts will breakdown the top crime stories of the week. Later this hour, our legal guys take up the case of a Utah doctor accused of drugging and drowning his wife. And next, if you try to log onto Obamacare this weekend, you're going to hit a roadblock, the health care web site down.

[Berman:] The crisis in Iraq creating bizarre situations for the Obama administration. We're seeing the U.S. on the same side sort of with Syria and Iran in the fight against Islamic militants. This is the latest. An American official tells CNN that Iran is now flying surveillance drones over Iraq. Not known where they're being launched from but the Pentagon confirmed a week ago the U.S. has been flying manned and unmanned surveillance planes of its own over Iraq. Plus, both Iran and the U.S. are now providing Iraq's military with advisors, equipment and other supplies.
[Pereira:] Then, there is the Syrian involvement. Iraq's military denies that it was Syrian war planes that hit several towns in Anbar Province controlled by ISIS militants now. But local officials and residents used scopes and other high-tech equipment to see details on those war planes and insist the fighter jets were from Syria. Those air strikes killed close to 60 civilians. Want to bring in our military analyst, retired Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, a former liaison officer to the U.S. office in Baghdad. Colonel, really good to have you here. It's interesting. You look at all of this, you look at the line, if you will, it's Iran, Syria, the United States, Iraq, versus ISIS, AKA the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Not officially on the same team. It's about the short-term goal. Should they, are they looking at the long-term effect?
[Lt. Col. Rick Francona , Cnn Military Analyst:] Well, this is truly bizarre lineup of people on one side of the border, we're doing the same thing with the Syrians want to do, on the other side of the border we're supporting elements to overthrow the same government. There's no doubt these were Syrian war planes that struck inside of Iraq. They're the only ones that has those kinds of fighter aircraft. It had to be them. Here's what you've got. You've got American fighters, armed reconnaissance aircraft over Iraq, air got Syrian aircraft incursion into Iraq, and now Iranian drones in that same air space. This is a battle manager's nightmare. Three countries not coordinating with each other. Will there be coordination? I doubt it. It will be more along the lines we're going to declare this our air space, stay out of it.
[Berman:] You know firsthand about this? You are a pilot. You have flown many a missions.
[Francona:] I'm an intelligence guy.
[Berman:] So what goes on when these pilots and the planners are thinking there could be Iranian drones and planes.
[Francona:] You set up rules of engagement. You're going to be up there. There may be an opportunity to run into a Syrian fighter. We don't know what their intentions are going to be. You have to err on the side of caution. And, of course, you're going to have young men and women in close proximity in very lethal equipment. It's just a situation fraught with danger. We have to proceed very, very cautiously. If the Syrians are going to continue to conduct these air strikes, we have to make sure that we're not getting mixed up in that. The problem with the Syrians doing this is that they're not really concerned about collateral damage and they're trying to keep that border open. That border is very important to Baghdad and Damascus. And ISIS has really effectively closed that entire border and they're trying to keep it open, with not much success.
[Pereira:] At this point, air strikes are not on the table. You were telling us before that one of the reasons was that you want to get some people on the ground when you get that on the ground contact and intelligence, you're better able to make precise targets for those air strikes. Are we even close to that?
[Francona:] No.
[Pereira:] Is this a possibility then?
[Francona:] It's even worse than when we had spoken before. Now we're getting conflicting reports from the Iraqis and Syrians about what's going on. And from ISIS itself. ISIS says we're in control of this. The Iraqis say no, we're not. We're in charge of that. We don't know. So before you even launch an air strike on a facility you need to know who's in charge of it so you don't have friendly fire incidents. That's going to take U.S. advisors on the ground. We simply cannot trust what the Iraqis are telling us. That's sad because they're technically our allies here.
[Berman:] Gets to a much, much bigger problem. Colonel Francona, great to have you hear with us. Really appreciate your time. Coming up for us, emails disappearing, but gone forever? The IRS keeps saying it lost emails connected to the political targeting scandal, but is it possible these days to actually lose emails for good? We're going to ask our tech expert ahead.
[Pereira:] Also, pushing ahead to our series with the '60s, we have a neat opportunity today. We're going to speak with "Star Trek" actress, Nichelle Nichols. She's here with us and we'll talk to her live coming up.

[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Right now hundreds of people in West Virginia can't go home after yesterday's massive train derailment and explosions that followed. Residents are told there not to drink the water. The train, with more than 100 cars, was hauling crude oil. 27 of those cars derailed. Joining us now for more on this on the phone is a spokesman for the West Virginia State Police. Lieutenant, thank you for jumping on the phone with us. What's happening out there right now?
[Lt. Michel Baylous, Police Spokesman, West Virginia State Police:] Right now, we're just continuing to provide a presence out there while the tanker cars are burning and we hope that they burn down rather quickly so they can get in and start the cleanup process.
[Bolduan:] So right now, even though it's almost 24 hours out, it's still too hot that they haven't been able to start looking into it?
[Baylous:] The federal investigators that come in will look at what caused the derailment but there were 26 tanker cars that derailed near Armstrong Creek with crude oil and 19 of those caught fire. Several are still burning at this time. CSX was able to get in and detach some of the other cars and pull them away from the scene there.
[Bolduan:] Is there any risk at this point of further explosions? We're showing our viewers how huge these explosions were overnight. Is that still a risk?
[Baylous:] You know, it's hard to say. That's why we have the area still evacuated. Not allowing anyone in there other than those that need to be in there and controlling the scene.
[Bolduan:] What's the expectation at this point of when residents are going to be able to head back in? I think I saw that one home was destroyed. Amazingly only one person injured. When will folks get back in, do you think?
[Baylous:] It's hard to say. We hope that fire will extinguish itself this afternoon sometime. It's just hard to say at this point. You are right. There was one home that was completely destroyed and a few others that were damaged that we're blessed at this point there were no major injuries or even deaths. There was one person who was treated for smoke inhalation and released from the hospital.
[Bolduan:] Lieutenant, this does remind me when you talk about residents not able to drink the water right now as EPA will be doing testing. This reminds me last year, I believe, there was another issue in West Virginia. A chemical leak that contaminated water and folks couldn't drink the water for many days. Is this the same area?
[Baylous:] No. This is outside of Charleston a little bit. The river does run into the same water supply. Our National Guard is there on the scene and they've been conducting testing and so far the testing has been pretty good. So at this point it doesn't seem like it's that significant of event as it was before with the drinking water.
[Bolduan:] That's going to be definite good news for residents when they are able to get back in. What do you think attributes to that? Those cars, they started leaking oil and that river was right there.
[Baylous:] Yes, the possibility was there for that to happen but fortunately it appears that some of it got in a creek but hasn't hit the river and the initial reports were wrong about a tanker going into a river and pumps were shut off there in Montgomery so it seems that they have it under control and National Guard and other agencies there are doing a fantastic job.
[Bolduan:] Lieutenant, do you think weather could have played a part in this derailment?
[Baylous:] You know, it's hard to say. We did get a significant amount of snowfall across the state. Six to eight inches of snow in that area. Hard to say. That's something we'll have to be patient and wait for federal investigators to come in and it may take time before we know exactly what happened.
[Bolduan:] First things first. You have to get those explosions and that fire under control and out if possible. Lieutenant Michael Baylous, thank you for jumping on the line with us. We appreciate it.
[Baylous:] Thank you, Kate.
[Bolduan:] Coming up for us of course. Coming up for us, "I've got tons of people eating on my soul right now." That is the confession of the man who admits to killing American sniper, Chris Kyle and one other person. Will those words sway the jury into believing the insanity defense that they have put forth? Details coming up.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] OUTFRONT next, breaking news on this Friday. Accusations tonight that former House Speaker Dennis Hastert abused three victims during his time as a boys high school wrestling coach. Will more come forward? Plus, the Obama administration scrambling to grasp the magnitude of what could be the biggest hack ever of the U.S. government. Are the lives of American undercover agents around the world at risk? And an OUTFRONT investigation tonight, the TSA wasting billions and billions of your money on useless equipment and bad training. The numbers are staggering. Let's go OUTFRONT. And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. We begin with the breaking news OUTFRONT tonight, CNN learning that there are now three people accusing former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert of sexual abuse while he was a boys wrestling coach. And tonight we know the name of one of the alleged victims, a woman has come forward telling ABC News that her brother, Steven Reinboldt who were going to show you here in Yearbook photos with Dennis Hastert endured years of sexual abuse at the hands of the former House Speaker.
[Jolene Burdge, Sister Of Steven Reinboldt:] I asked him Steve, when was your first same sex experience, I mean he just looked at me and said it was with Dennis Hastert.
[Burnett:] Now, Reinboldt died of AIDS in 1995. When he was the teenager, he was the equipment manager for Hastert's wrestling team at Yorkville High School. That's in Illinois. Now, Dennis Hastert so far has been silent since the ugly charges have come to light, but that is about to end. CNN was on the ground today in Yorkville talking with people who knew both Hastert and Steven Reinboldt. And for years many in Yorkville held Hastert once one of the most powerful people in the United States in the highest regard. Chris Frates is OUTFRONT live tonight in Chicago. And Chris, what are you learning tonight?
[Chris Frates, Cnn Investigative Correspondent:] Well, I'll tell you Erin, it's another day and more victims of sexual abuse allegedly by Dennis Hastert. Last week Hastert remember was charged with lying to the FBI and trying to hide hush money he paid to an unnamed victim. Now, sources tell CNN that the victim was a former male student at the high school where Hastert taught before getting into politics. As part of their investigation into Hastert, the FBI has also talked to a second person who alleged to be a victim of Hastert's abuse. But this person was not receiving any money from Hastert according to a source. And then today, the sister of one of Hastert's former students is telling ABC News that Hastert abused her brother throughout his high school career. Steve Reinboldt was abused by Hastert in the late '60s and early '70s while Hastert was a high school wrestling coach and Reinboldt was the team's equipment manager. According to his sister. Now, Hastert denied the allegations when ABC first raised them in 2006. But Hastert hasn't made a public statement, Erin, since he was indicted last week and he's scheduled to make his first court appearance here in Chicago on Tuesday Erin.
[Burnett:] And I mean, it's incredible when you lay it out like this that for so long that this was not the discussed and not in the public eye. That there are this many people out there, if these allegations are true that no one knew. I mean, and that is a big question, Chris. Why would these allegations all be coming out now?
[Frates:] Well, I think the big question was the hush money. And why was Dennis Hastert paying somebody for past misdeeds and once we started to look into what that might be, we got on this trail of sexual be abuse. And remember back in 2006, there was a big scandal on Capitol Hill. A republican lawmaker named Mark Foley had sent inappropriate texts to pages, high school interns on Capitol Hill, and Hastert was rumored to have turned a blind eye to that. Now, the sister of Steven Reinboldt said she tried to go to the media and authorities back in 2006, but there wasn't enough corroboration. But with this indictment, that allowed this to be rehashed and now we're finding Erin that there are now more victims in fact allegedly of sexual harassment by Dennis Hastert who was only second in line to the presidency, a very powerful man just only a few years ago Erin.
[Burnett:] I mean, it is incredible to imagine. And as we said, here at CNN tonight, we now know that there are three accusers and the question is of course, whether there will be more. As you point out, Chris, Dennis Hastert once second in line to the American presidency and he coached that high school boys wrestling team before launching his majorly successful political career. How big could this dark and disturbing scandal be? Investigators tonight are focusing in on that high school, Yorkville High School, and every student that Hastert coached or taught. Jeff Zeleny is OUTFRONT.
[Jeff Zeleny, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] Look at Dennis Hastert in this 1968 year book from Yorkville High School in Illinois. It says enjoys athletics and working with young people. He even accompanied explorers on a weeklong address venture in the Bahamas. But a different picture of Hastert is now emerging with new allegations from a former student who says her brother was sexually abused by Hastert.
[Burdge:] He damaged Steve I think more than any of us will ever know.
[Zeleny:] Jolene Burdge says her brother Steven Reinboldt was a student and equipment manager on Hastert's wrestling team. She told ABC News her brother confided in her about the abuse years later when he revealed he was gay.
[Burdge:] I asked him, Steve, when was your first same sex experience? I mean, he just looked at me and said it was with Dennis Hastert. And I just I know I was stunned. I said why didn't you ever tell anybody, Steven. He just looked at me and said, who is ever going to believe me.
[Zeleny:] Reinboldt died in 1995, so his story cannot be independently verified. She was approached by the FBI in recent weeks about Hastert before his indictment became public. He faces charges of bank fraud and lying to the FBI about hush money paid to another former student who was also allegedly abused. The Justice Department says he agreed to pay $3.5 million to cover up past misconduct. And CNN has learned the FBI has also spoken to at least one more person in addition to Burdge who may have been a victim. Hastert was a coach and Boy Scout leader before coming to Washington in 1987. He game the longest serving republican speaker leading Congress in 2007. He's been in hiding since the charges were announced last week. His attorney has not responded to requests for comment. But Hastert did deny the abuse allegations to ABC when they first arose in 2006. Jolene Burdge said she confronted Hastert when he tried to attend her brother's funeral.
[Burdge:] I just looked at him and I said, I want to know why you did what you did to my brother. I want you to know that your secret didn't die in there with my brother.
[Zeleny:] Now, she did not respond to messages today from CNN. On her Facebook page, she posted a story about Hastert with this note. I can say with absolute certainty there is so much more to this story. Finally the truth. Now Hastert is set to appear in court in Chicago next week Erin.
[Burnett:] All right. And of course he will break his silence in some way then. Jeff, thank you. I want to bring in now our legal analyst Paul Callan. And Stacey Honowitz, a sex crimes prosecutor. Stacey, let me start with you. According to the victim's sister who we just saw there. Hastert was a mentor to her brother. Her brother called him a friend. I would suppose that doesn't surprise you.
[Stacey Honowitz, Sex Crimes Prosecutor:] No, I mean, Erin, we see so many of these stories. I mean, you saw it with Sandusky as recent as that case where lots of times people in these positions, coaches, teachers, they take these kids under their wing, they groom them, they spend money on them, they trust them. And they do this all in an effort to have a relationship. And so it's not unusual that we're seeing this and I'm sure we're going to see many more victims come forward now that one person has been able to go to the press and actually talk about it.
[Burnett:] So Paul, what about that question, in these cases where there is one, are there almost always many? I mean, in the Sandusky case of course, it went from one to a whole slew of boys.
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] I was talking today to the head sex crimes prosecutor in San Diego, Wendy Murphy, who was telling me that almost always many more come out of the woodwork when the first one has the courage to come forward. Because you have to understand, these are children who are afraid they will going to be humiliated and who would believe them. But when one person has the courage to come forward or as in this case when authorities, you know, have revealed this plot, frequently many more victims do come forward.
[Burnett:] But then some people will say, well, is some of this opportunistic. I mean, are people, you know, I mean, which is an awful thing to say, but yet you must ask the question. I mean, how can it be proved this many years later.
[Callan:] Well, it is why we have statutes of limitation in the prosecution of criminal cases. Because fairness requires that a defendant be able to defend himself.
[Burnett:] Right.
[Callan:] And find out when was I supposed to do this because maybe I wasn't even in the building at the time. So, it's a really hard struggle to find a way to be fair about this.
[Burnett:] But you think that they will be able to move ahead in some of these cases, despite the statute of limitations?
[Callan:] Well, I think that there's at least a possibility that others will come forward but I have to say one other thing that we have to consider here. It may very well be that many of his adult relationships if he's had multiple relationships have been with other adults. How do we know we haven't had a diagnosis that he's a pedophile. So until we're certain of that, maybe the other victims they were consensual relationships.
[Burnett:] So Stacey, let me ask you on that point, the pedophilia point that Paul is raising, we don't know the age of all of these accusers at this point. We do know one of them is a teenage boy. It seemed the others might be but we don't know at this point.
[Honowitz:] Yes.
[Burnett:] You look at his relationships later in life and they are with consenting adults, maybe some of them male, some of them female, is that the profile of someone who is a pedophile? I mean, how does that add up?
[Honowitz:] No, you will never be able to have a profile of a pedophile because as you can see, they're in any walk of life. They're teachers, they're priests, they're rabbis. Anybody can be charged with this type of behavior. So we don't know. But if we have young victims who were in his range at that time and more come forward, then we know that he's attracted to younger people and he could still be attracted to adults. So, you're never going to say because he has an adult relationships. He never of capable of
[Burnett:] So Stacey, what do you make of the sister we just heard there of one of the alleged victims talking about her brother. You know, she went to ABC in 2006, they didn't have anything to corroborate her claims at that time so they didn't put them in the public eye. She said Hastert showed up at her brother's funeral. Which was years after the alleged abuse would have happened. Which is an interesting thing in and of itself. Let me play again what she said.
[Burdge:] I just looked at him and I said, I want to know why you did what you did to my brother. He just stood there and stared at me. And then I just continued to say I want you to know that your secret didn't die in there with my brother. And I want you to remember that I'm out here and that I know.
[Burnett:] So Stacey, if he went to the funeral of someone that he abused, if these allegations are true, years after the abuse, so the person, you know, would have been a teenager, this person would have been a teenager at the time of the abuse, is an adult, what does that say?
[Honowitz:] Well, listen, anybody that prosecutes these cases, and I've been doing it for so many year, you know that these guys are master manipulators and they're narcissists. They really think that they're above the law. And so, the arrogance to go there and stand there knowing probably what happened. He's probably thinking to himself, I've never going to get caught, I don't know what she's talking about and he's not here to tell us about it. So, when we prosecute these cases many times, we have DNA, we have people that have witnessed the events, and even then a pedophile with that kind of personality will stand in court and say, I didn't do anything. I don't know what they're talking about. So the idea that he showed up, it's arrogant, but that is one aspect of the personality of someone who is engaged in pedophilia behavior.
[Callan:] Just one other piece of advice that was passed on to me by Wendy Patrick who is the sex crimes head in San Diego. If your child is spending a lot of one-on-one time with a coach, take a second look. Be careful about that. It's a suspicious thing.
[Burnett:] All right. I appreciate very much both, thanks. And OUTFRONT next, fears of a sniper on the loose in Colorado. The FBI involved tonight. Is this a repeat of the D.C. sniper nightmare? Plus investigators now questioning a third man in the alleged Boston terror plot. Was he part of the ring plotting to behead? And breaking news. Take a look at these pictures. A major train crash 60 miles south of Chicago. This is today a collision with a truck at a rail crossing. We'll going to have much more on this breaking news coming up.

[Jane Velez-mitchell:] Tonight we are learning about the newest victims in a vicious, and I mean, vicious game teenage perpetrators are playing called the knockout game. And tonight we have just learned a 78-year-old woman was targeted by a teenager who knocked her down as hard as he could in a sick sport that is becoming the rage around the country. Rage being the operative word. And it`s even spreading to the whole world.
[Unidentified Female:] The so-called knockout game, a game that`s proven deadly in the past.
[Unidentified Male:] You assault them to the degree that somebody loses consciousness, it`s serious business.
[Unidentified Female:] Teens striking unsuspecting strangers, essentially violence for the sake of violence.
[Unidentified Male:] The video speaks for itself, but I don`t remember it happening when it happened.
[Unidentified Female:] Videos of attacks posted online.
[Unidentified Male:] Oh Kids, I think, don`t understand the significance of what they think is a game, really sometimes has permanent consequences.
[Jane Velez-mitchell:] Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live. Thanks so much for joining me. How sick is this? How sick is this? It`s happened in as many as six different states and even overseas, across the pond, as it were. A 16-year-old girl, you`re looking at it now. Sixteen-year-old girl, boom, knocked out in London last year. You can see, he`s not trying to rob her. He just turns the other way and runs. Out of nowhere, why? It`s a game. I`m happy to say that that young lady recovered, but others have been killed by this knockout game. The teens often target the elderly what an act of cowardice including a 78-year-old great grandmother. Listen to this.
[Unidentified Female:] When he passed her, he turned around and punched her in the head. He did not take anything from her. She was stunned. She`s terrified. She takes care of her great-grandchildren all day. And she walks with them in the carriages. She now will not leave the front of her building.
[Velez-mitchell:] As many as eight people have been attacked in this woman`s neighborhood alone. The cops are put on alert. Extra officers are going into areas where these random knockout attacks have happened, but they`re happening everywhere. Are we going to live in an armed camp? We`re now learning victims are fighting back. So watch out, teen perps. Cops say this teenager tried to play the knockout game but got caught after the guy he was targeting, he tried to knock over, pulled out a gun and shot him twice. What should be done with these teenagers? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. Why do you think it`s happening? I want to know from you: 1-877-586-7297. We have a fantastic Lion`s Den debate panel tonight. We begin with contributing editor to "Marie Clair" magazine, Siggy Flicker. Siggy, is the world going mad, that teenagers think that sadistically assaulting a total stranger, especially an elderly woman, is fun and a sport?
[Siggy Flicker, Contributing Editor, "marie Clair":] I just want to scream when you say that. It`s absolutely absurd. It`s disgusting. Where are the parents in this? What are people thinking? What are people thinking when you think of a game? To knock out and if you watch that video, that one man blasted that woman so hard in the face that she was knocked out before she hit the concrete. Imagine what the concrete did to her. That poor thing. It`s disgusting on every level, and I`m outraged.
[Velez-mitchell:] I am outraged, as well, but I`m also baffled. And right now, we`re going to try to figure out why this is happening. The knock-out game is going viral. That means it is catching on. So cops say it`s evolving I say devolving into something more vicious and sinister. Now they`re knocking out total strangers using Taser guns. I`m not joking. Cops say 17-year-old Marvell Weaver tried to Tase a man who was waiting for his daughter at a bus stop by using a stun gun to try to knock him out, but the Taser, which was reportedly capable of generating almost two volts, wouldn`t fire. Instead the intended victim pulled out his registered legal handgun and shot the teenager twice. This teen you`re looking at, he survived. He was sentenced to a year in jail for illegal possession of a stun gun. Back to the Lion`s Den. Lisa Bloom, legal analyst with Avvo.com, it`s a new level of sickness, that kids would want to escalate the suffering of complete strangers by zapping them with a stun gun, an act that is torturous.
[Lisa Bloom, Legal Analyst, Avvo.com:] Yes. It`s an act of domestic terrorism, really, if you`re going to walk up and just assault somebody like that and scare everybody else in the community that they could be next. And as you point out, for what? I mean, it`s a sad day in America when we`re holding up robbers as paragons of values and virtue. Well, at least robbers we can understand, because they hit somebody and they take their money. We can understand that. They`re terrible, too. But this is really a whole new level. Violence just for violence`s sake. I think parents and teachers have to teach values and empathy. That`s what`s clearly missing in these teenagers` lives.
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, it`s beyond disturbing. It really is profoundly disturbing. Anybody with any sense of decency is going to be repulsed by this trend. Here is just one reaction.
[Unidentified Female:] Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
[Unidentified Male:] Whoa! Man, it`s you know? They`ve got a fine look at that. That`s terrible. That`s somebody`s mother, somebody`s father.
[Unidentified Female:] Whether it`s random or targeted, it`s sick.
[Velez-mitchell:] That brings me to my rant. We are turning into a culture of sadism. So many kids are not being raised with any sense of morality. They`re not taught right from wrong. They`re not molded to listen to their hearts. The classic character Jiminy Cricket once said, "Let your conscious be your guide." Kids aren`t listening to Jiminy Cricket any more. They`re way too sophisticated. Instead, the knockout game reminds me of the classic novel "The Lord of the Flies," where kids are let loose on an island, and a sadistic and evil game ensues where the weakest boys are humiliated and tortured. It is "Lord of the Flies" out there, people. And I want to toss it out to Ramani Durvasula, clinical psychologist. Why have these kids lost or perhaps never even had in the first place their moral compass?
[Ramani Durvasula, Clinical Psychologist:] Well, Jane, it`s funny you say, "Let your conscience be your guide." Well, they don`t have a conscience. And you know where we get a conscience from? Parents. And too many parents are phoning it in these days. And ultimately, these kids also know there`s not a lot of consequences to their actions. They`re so taken with the idea of being part of a new viral trend that they don`t even think about what`s going to happen. And I actually think we`re a little bit easy on adolescents in our legal system. So the fact is, they probably think, "I`m going to get away with this."
[Velez-mitchell:] J. Wyndal Gordon, attorney out of D.C., when these kids are found, because some of them you can see this blurry surveillance video they haven`t been caught yet, but when they are found, they are in serious, serious legal trouble.
[J. Wyndal Gordon, Attorney:] Yes. They will face felony assault charges, depending on the degree of injury to the persons who they assaulted. In addition to that, you know, just looking at these videos, I heard about this last week, and I didn`t even want to look at the video. And now that I`ve seen it, it sickens me. I`m very disturbed. And I hope that this does not this trend does not find fester throughout the entire country and world. But this is very disturbing.
[Velez-mitchell:] We want to stamp it out right now, tonight. First of all, we`re letting people know there`s a problem. Here`s the problem. And that`s the first step to a solution, is to admit that there`s a problem. There`s a problem, America, that kids think this is fun. Straight out to the phone lines. Carol, Indiana, what do you got to say? Carol, Indiana.
[Caller:] Hey, Jane. How you doing? Love the show.
[Velez-mitchell:] Thank you.
[Caller:] You already know this.
[Velez-mitchell:] Thank you.
[Caller:] Hey, Jane, I`ve got two comments to make. No. 1, I hope they don`t start this in Indiana. Because it`s going to be a whole lot of teenagers right on the streets. It starts me being one of the culprits. You know, whereas, I would have left my gun in the car. It`s going to be in my coat pocket. That`s the way I`m feeling. Because they`ve better knock me straight out, because I`m going to follow up with a couple of bullets in their butt and let their parents deal with it.
[Velez-mitchell:] Carol, Carol Carol, I want to step in for one second. You`ve made a very strong comment. And, see, this is the cycle of violence. And this is how violence escalates. And I do believe that we have an addiction to violence in this country and that we have to look in a mirror. We have to look in the mirror. Do you go to violent movies? Do you watch violent TV shows? Are we into sadistic story lines? Because this is not coming out of nowhere, Siggy Flicker. I know you`re a mom, and Lisa is, too. We`ll start with Siggy.
[Flicker:] OK. You`re absolutely right. I love everything you`re saying. It starts with what`s happening inside the house. Parents got to step up. It starts with Xbox, for example. Let me just give you a small example. If your child is spending too much time playing Call of Duty, he shouldn`t be playing or she shouldn`t be playing Call of Duty. Take out the Xbox. Know what your child is doing. Limit these violent games. At home, too. Find out who they`re they`re hanging out with. Take an action. Be part of your child`s life and don`t be afraid to put your foot down and say enough is enough. Enough is enough.
[Velez-mitchell:] Let me say this. We know that three people three innocent people have already been killed by this hideous game. It`s gone from assault to murder. Forty-six-year-old Ralph Santiago killed in Hoboken, New Jersey, after he was hit. He was found with a broken neck and his head stuck between two iron fence spikes. Three of the alleged attackers were arrested after being caught on surveillance video. This is what scares me almost to death. They were just 13 and 14 years old. You know, there`s a long list here. But Lisa Bloom, a couple of things. One, with that group thing, we know that teenagers like to travel in packs. And when they travel in packs, they become exponentially more brazen, having to prove to each other their manliness. So that is No. 1. I don`t think you`re seeing a lot of girls involved in this. This is something about what we`re teaching boys about what it means to be a man. And unfortunately, our culture is saying if you`re violent, you`re a man; you`re a real man.
[Bloom:] Right.
[Velez-mitchell:] And that`s the worst message.
[Bloom:] Right. Too much machismo, too much violence. I write about that in my book about our parenting boys, which is called "Swagger." Teenagers should not be roaming around in groups at night, by the way. Teenagers should be busy. That`s probably the most important thing I can tell parents of teenagers. A lot of people say the kids have over- structured lives, and some of them do. But for the most part, teenagers should be busy. They should be at school. They should be at home. They should be doing homework. They should be doing chores. They shouldn`t have time to roam around and get into trouble like this, because if it`s not this, it`s going to be something else. Let`s keep them busy until they`re at least 18 and out of school.
[Velez-mitchell:] You are absolutely right. I talked to somebody about the gang problem once, and he said that teenagers are essentially pack animals. They want to be in packs. If you give them a good pack, that`s like a team, being part of a band, that`s great. If you don`t give them that, they`ll join a bad pack, which is a gang or this kind of activity. I think boys need to be exposed to art. They need to paint. They need to dance. They need to do all these things that somehow our culture is sending a message that, oh, that`s that`s not what boys should be doing. Nonsense. You want to be as famous as some of these guys who appear my gosh. Who was sexiest man alive? Adam Levine. OK? Look at any number of these great performers. You think they didn`t take dance classes? You think they don`t know how to be an artist? The list escapes me but just any awards show. This is what boys shouldn`t do. This is what boys need to learn is not being a man. George Zimmerman, soon to be his ex-wife is calling him a ticking time bomb. A jaw-dropping interview that she conducted with Katie, and you`re going to hear what Shellie Zimmerman has to say and like a whole string of explosive drama-rama surrounding George Zimmerman. And now Shellie is saying this reflects on the death of an innocent, unarmed teen. We all know his name, Trayvon Martin.
[Shellie Zimmerman, Estranged Wife Of George Zimmerman:] I`ve been married to a person for almost seven years, and I don`t think I ever really knew him at all. In my opinion he feels more invincible. He`s making some reckless decisions, and I think George is all about George.

[Jessica Yellin:] And happening now, the United States and United Nations demanding an immediate investigation into claims the Syrian government launched a massive chemical weapons attack on more than a thousand civilians. CNN is live inside Syria with the very latest. Plus, disturbing new details emerging about one of the suspects behind the shocking death of an Australian student jogging in Oklahoma. Should he be charged with a hate crime? And the latest on a mystery rocking Windsor Castle, after one of the queen's prize swans was found barbecued. Wolf Blitzer is off today. I'm Jessica Yellin. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. And we begin with pictures from Syria that we want to warn you are extremely graphic and disturbing. Women and children believed to be dousing themselves with water and putting towels to their mouths after suffering an alleged chemical weapons attack that opposition leaders say killed more than a thousand people. These horrifying images are prompting bold new calls today from both the Obama administration and the United Nations for an immediate investigation to confirm that chemical agents were used. Our Frederick Pleitgen is getting rare inside access in Syria and joins us from Damascus with the latest Fred.
[Frederick Pleitgen, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Jessica. Yes, and I haven't had very much time here on the ground yet, but I am trying to get to the bottom of what actually happened during that alleged chemical weapons attack. What I was able to do today is I was able to go to a government-run hospital. It was very interesting to see what was going on there. It was a hospital that had taken many of the casualties from that alleged attack. Have a look at what we saw.
[Pleitgen:] These images continue to shock the world. Syrian opposition groups say the videos are evidence the Assad regime used chemical weapons in a Damascus suburb. And many around the world are calling for tougher action. But here in the streets of government-controlled Damascus, many say they don't believe their military resorted to the use of nerve agents. "The government would never use chemical weapons," this man tells me, "because Bashar Al-Assad is part of the country. He's grown up here. They're Syrians." "I believe that if anything was hit, it was the Free Syrian Army," this man says. Those we spoke to confirmed there appeared to be a massive military operation underway early Wednesday, with war planes dropping bombs and artillery firing for hours. But staff at this hospital say the patients they treated suffered only from wounds from conventional weapons. [on camera]: This is the Mezzah University hospital. They wouldn't let us film inside, but staff members told us they did receive a large number of casualties on Wednesday from the areas where attacks allegedly took place. But they also said none of these casualties had any signs of being subjected to chemicals. [voice-over]: Images like these, however, indicate that some form of chemicals seem to have been used, many experts say. The U.N. secretary-general is calling on the Assad regime to allow weapons inspectors fast access to the sites.
[Eduardo Del Buey, Deputy Spokesperson For The Secretary-general:] A formal request is being sent by the United Nations to the government of Syria in this regard. He expects to receive a positive response without delay.
[Pleitgen:] U.N. teams have been on the ground in Damascus for several days. But when I tried to ask the chief U.N. chemical weapons inspector, Ake Sellstrom, if his team would visit the site of Wednesday's alleged attack, he wouldn't answer. [on camera]: And are you going to be able to investigate the chemical weapons claims...
[Ake Sellstrom, Chief U.n. Weapons Inspector:] I cannot talk to you. I'm sorry.
[Pleitgen:] The Assad government denies using chemical weapons, a claim many in the international community want to see verified by the U.N. teams on the ground. Yes, Jessica, a lot more questions than answers. Of course, both sides blaming each other for what allegedly took place here in the suburbs of Damascus. One of the things that I, of course, always have to say, we are on the government's side here. We're in the realm of the government. So therefore, a lot of the people that we speak to, by nature, are very sympathetic to the government. We always have to keep that in mind Jessica.
[Yellin:] Of course, Fred. Now, we also know that U.N. inspectors are already there on the ground. Why haven't they gone to the site to start investigating?
[Pleitgen:] Yes, it's very difficult. You know, the site where this happened, some of those sites are less than five miles away from where the weapons inspectors are staying. But their mission here is very sensitive. They went in here with a mandate to be able to visit three places in Syria that have nothing to do with what allegedly happened here on Wednesday. They were sites that have been known for a very long time. Now the U.N., of course, the U.S., as well, is saying you need to give these weapons inspectors access to the site where this happened immediately. It's very difficult, though, here in Syria. On the one hand, the Syrian government is very distrustful of those weapons inspectors. On the other hand, simply the Syrian bureaucracy, the way that the ministries work here, makes the going here very, very difficult. So they're on a very sensitive mission, on the one hand, of course. They have this international outrage saying they need to go there as fast as possible. But they also have to be very careful in dealing with the Syrian authorities.
[Yellin:] And, of course, here in the U.S., the White House and the U.N. calling for those investigators to get access to that site.
[Pleitgen:] Yes.
[Yellin:] Fred, very rare for to you have access to any of this, for you to be there. Remarkable reporting. And please stay safe and be careful. Thanks for that report. That's our Fred Pleitgen reporting from Damascus. There are calls now, as you know, for action in Syria that are not just here, but echoing around the world in the wake of all those shocking images we just brought you. Our own Tom Foreman is now taking a closer look at some of the options we in the U.S. could have Tom, are these options extensive or really very limited?
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] They're somewhat limited. I guess they're extensive in terms of how big they would be, ultimately. But you're absolutely right, Jessica. The pressure, not just around the world, but up here on Capitol Hill and at the White House, is really stepping up in the wake of this video. Let's look at the possibilities out here, as we bring in a map of Syria. First of all, there's a question of going on the offense. Could the U.S. flat out go in there with big time military intervention, with helicopters and planes and bombs and simply join the fight to make this thing come to a conclusion? That is not likely simply because we all know, ever since Afghanistan and Iraq, the public sentiment for that kind of intervention seems to be quite low. Some people would like to see it. Many would not. So what about the idea of going on the defense? What about taking weapons and saying, we're simply going to put some weapons in here and give them to the rebel forces so they can fight back more effectively? This is all complicated by the fact that big countries like Russia don't want to see any of that happen. But complicating this further is the activity of terrorist groups like al Qaeda and groups like Hezbollah in here. And if you part put weapons into this country, as we've seen many times in the past, there's no guarantee that they stay in the hands of the people you want to put them into. So that's very, very difficult in terms of the defensive approach. And then we come to what is probably the sort of the neither offensive nor defensive, but a little bit of both, the idea of a no fly zone, which has worked in some areas. That would really limit the abilities of the Assad government to strike back against these other forces there. You could talk about small, limited no-fly zones in strategic areas or a big one over the whole country. But those really are the options right now, Jessica. And and, as always, they're complicated by the fact that we don't know which one of them would even work under these circumstances.
[Yellin:] It's all so complicated in Syria. Thanks so much. Tom Foreman, our own explainer-in-chief. Thanks, Tom. For more on this, let's bring in "Time" international editor, Bobby Ghosh. Bobby, first of all, let's take a look at your magazine cover. It's on our screen. And it's called "Founding Father." We should point out that "Time" is the corporate cousin of CNN. We see Martin Luther King there. But we want to talk a little bit about the topic you're so expert in, the Middle East. And today, we saw a striking new tone from our brand new U.N. ambassador, Samantha Power, talking about Syria. Let's look at what she posted on Twitter. This is a quote. She report "Reports devastating. Hundreds dead in streets, including kids, killed by chemical weapons. U.N. must get there fast. And if true, perps must face justice." Now, Bobby, we all know Power is a fierce human rights advocate. The Obama administration right now, look, critics, and even supporters, say they've been pretty tepid on Syria. Do you see her Tweet as sort of an effort to prod the White House into action, even the placement of her at the U.N. as a sign they might take more action in Syria?
[Bobby Ghosh, "time" International Editor:] or sort of a...
[Yellin:] I'm sorry. We're...
[Ghosh:] a natural disaster.
[Yellin:] I'm sorry. We have been having audio problems. But, Bobby, can you tell us that again? We were having some technical difficulties. Do you see her...
[Ghosh:] Yes, of course. I think, you know, she is well-known as somebody who advocates the international community's responsibility to protect the responsibility to intervene in cases like this. But her Tweet was very carefully weighted. She used words like "reports." She looked she used words like "if true." And she says things like "The perps must be punished." So there's enough wiggle room there. Are the reports accurate? We don't yet know. Who are the perps? We don't yet know. Was it the government forces or was it some rogue elements in the army or was it some of some people from the rebellion itself that were responsible? We don't know. And is the U.N. asking for U.N. inspectors to go there is very easy. But the deal that the U.N. made when they sent these inspectors was, as Frank said earlier, to go to very specific places and to check if chemical weapons were used. Those inspectors are not even allowed to speculate about who might have used those weapons. So the U.N. has gone in with both hands tied behind its back here. And for Ban Ki-moon and others to say, well, this is terrible and something must be done, well, the deal they made prevents them from doing anything.
[Yellin:] OK. We'll see. I think there's a little more urgency in her tone than we've seen from the White House. But we'll wait and see what evolves. Let's shift gears a little bit to Egypt, because we saw that Hosni Mubarak, the former leader of Egypt, was today ordered released from prison into house arrest, while the president, who was duly elected by the people after the Arab Spring, Mohamed Morsy, is now detained. So does this rule out hope for democracy in Egypt?
[Ghosh:] Well, it certainly is another blow to those hopes. And there have been several over the past couple of months. The idea that Mubarak is out, in house arrest, but much more free than Mohamed Morsy is certainly gives people pause. And those who believe, as some people in this country do, that the military is a force for democracy, will certainly if they have their hearts their hand to their hearts be reassessing that position. It's important to remember that Mubarak was a military man himself. He took over in, effectively, what was a military takeover of Egypt 30 years ago. And so we are seeing a full cycle now being completed. The fear is that the hopes for democracy that were raised two years ago with the Arab Spring are suffering sort of a are now dimmed very much. And it will take very little to end those hopes.
[Yellin:] Well, wrapping it all together, Bobby, I'd say there's a lot of instability right now in the Middle East. We'll be watching it with you for many, many months, and maybe years to come. Thanks for your time. When we come back, just one day after being sentenced in the largest classified leak in U.S. history, Bradley Manning drops a dramatic new bombshell, revealing he now wants to be a woman. Plus, the queen's goose is cooked. Well, actually, it's one of her swans. We'll explain just ahead.

[Berman:] As soon as today, President Obama could formally ask Congress to authorize the use of military force against ISIS. This comes one day after the release of the latest ISIS propaganda video. It shows hostage John Cantlie, a British journalist, forced once again to report for the terrorist organization. He sounds like time could be running out.
[John Cantlie, Isis Hostage:] Hello, I'm John Cantlie. In the last film in the series, we're in a city that has been at the heart of the fighting since summer of 2012.
[Berman:] As we hear that video and message, still no word on the fate of American hostage Kayla Mueller. The State Department says it is working around the clock to determine whether she is still alive. New intelligence reveals ISIS is plotting to kidnap more Western and international hostages in countries such as Lebanon and Jordan, that as Iraqi troops prepare to launch a major ground offensive to take back parts of the country that are controlled by ISIS and have been controlled by is for months. I want to bring in Phil Black live from the Northern Iraqi City of Irbil. Phil, good morning.
[Phil Black, Cnn International Correspondent:] Good morning, John. Yes, as we tour the battle zones, frontlines of the region, it is increasingly clear, the military and momentum is very much against ISIS. Now, news that Kurdish Peshmerga troops have seized three key military objectives, bridgeheads, north of the city of Mosul. All of this part of the effort to contain ISIS within territory, just surrounding Mosul ahead of a large offensive operation expected some time in the coming months in order to clear that remaining territory and take back that significant city, Mosul, from ISIS control. Meanwhile, as you say, there is ongoing significant concern about Western journalists still in ISIS custody. That British journalist John Cantlie, has appeared in a number of ISIS videos, seemingly doing what a journalist should do, that is report from ISIS-controlled territory. But, of course, the understanding, the belief, is that he is not doing so of his own free will. In this latest video, he reports from the area around the Syrian city of Aleppo. He talks about the damage there inflicted by what he says were both Syrian regime and coalition air strikes and talks about a thriving community under ISIS rule. It is ominous because of that statement that you mentioned, distinct. It is the first time he said something like this, that this will be the last in the report on the series. Ominous because of the way in which we know ISIS has treated, murdered, grotesquely dramatically its high value and Western hostages. And, of course, that is why there is ongoing concern for Kayla Mueller, the 26-year-old American aid worker, who has been a long time ISIS captive, and which ISIS has said recently was killed in an air strikes conducted by the Jordanian military. While there is, of course, great skepticism about that ISIS claim, there has been no further word about her safety John.
[Berman:] All right. Phil Black for us in Irbil not far from where the coalition is now on the offense against ISIS thanks so much, Phil. The Powerball jackpot, one of the biggest ever. Here is a secret: you are not going to win. I just told you everything you need to know about the lottery, but will give you an early start on your money, next.

[Amanpour:] Welcome back to the program. It is awards season for the movies and "Vanity Fair" magazine's annual Hollywood issue has the stars splashed across its cover. The Oscars will be handed out next month and here in Britain, the BAFTAs will be awarded next week. This year's Best Picture nominees focused on a number of real-life issues that we often cover on this program, whether some of the Catholic Church's most shameful history, like forced adoptions highlighted by the film, "Philomena," or Somali pirates on the high seas in "Captain Phillips," all the way now to the most celebrated and nomination film this year, "12 Years a Slave." It's about the absolute horrors of slavery in the United States. It's a story of a free black man from the North who's kidnapped and sold into slavery in the South. The film is powerful and at times it is hard to watch, as its main character, played by Oscar nominated Chiwetel Ejiofor suffers through brutal physical and emotional abuse.
[Solomon Northup":] Days ago I was with my family, in my home. Now you're telling me all is lost? Tell no one who I am, that's the way to survive? Well, I don't want to survive. I want to live.
[Amanpour:] The film's British director, Steve McQueen, is also nominated and if he wins, he'll be the first-ever black director to take home the prestigious golden statue. And Steve McQueen joins me now from Los Angeles. Welcome. Thank you for joining me and just to say, this is obviously the most incredible film and so rightly nominated for so many awards. What was it that made you focus on this subject of all subjects?
[Steve Mcqueen, Film Director:] Well, for me, being of African descent, I thought there was a hole in the canon of cinema with regarding this subject. And I wanted to sort of delve in that narrative. I wanted to investigate a narrative. So it was just for me, it was very natural that I wanted to put it on film.
[Amanpour:] And how emotional was it for you? I mean, I know that you had to or you did film in like 108 degrees in the South. There was, you know, sort of sort of shadows and relics of the slave era still there. At one point you said it was a little bit like dancing with ghosts. What was the filming of this like?
[Mcqueen:] Well, we had an amazing crew from the catering to the hair and makeup, the camera department. So as a family of filmmakers, we were we were so sort of united and wanted to make this film work. Yes, the blistering heat and also the emotion, of course, of certain scenes. But without that kind of foundation of these sort of great filmmakers who came together to make this movie, it wouldn't have got done. So it was about us, not as individuals, but us as a group. And there was so much love, there was so much honor that we were making this film on Solomon Northup's book.
[Amanpour:] Of course, you know, the story, it's a true story. I believe you said your wife actually found the book when you were casting around for the right story to tell. You know, it is unflinching; you are unflinching. Your camera hangs on some of the most brutal scenes. And obviously some people have criticized you for that. But I'm wondering, you know, for instance, tell me what took you through getting the main character, the slave, Solomon, to beat the woman rather than the master beating the woman. It was incredibly powerful to see a black man beating a black woman.
[Mcqueen:] I mean, for me, either we were going to tell the a story of slavery or we weren't. And I decided that we were going to tell the story about slavery. And with all what occurs within slavery, you know, physical and mental torture. But at the same time, there was, you know, there was a love in that situation. It's odd to say, but there is. But that's the reason why I'm here. I'm still here because within that sort of environment of if you want to say hostile terror, there was this thing of love. People wanted their children to survive within that and nurture. And the whole idea of course, when you talk about what was written in Solomon's book about him taking the whip to Patsey, who's his friend, but it's one of the things where all those aspects have to be looked at and investigated in order for us to sort of heal, in order for us to sort of understand where we come from and where we want to go in the future.
[Amanpour:] Well, I want to ask you because you lead Yes, and you lead me to obviously a natural question, you say that you were beaten as a child; your parents were beaten, this sort of violence has sort of been passed down. And there but for the grace of God, you could have been or maybe your ancestors were slaves.
[Mcqueen:] Well, my ancestors were slaves. My parents are from the West Indies, from Grenada. Yes, and you know, again, it's to do with a sort of slave mentality and what's happened. And that's what I wanted to investigate in this film. There's so many things which people often question, but we don't seem to want to answer. And I wanted this film to try and answer some of those questions. So it was very important for me to make this picture. In fact, it was vital.
[Amanpour:] At one point you said the question really is why hasn't this picture been made before, that there is a deafening silence over the remnants of slavery that still exist all around us every day, whether it's the prison population. Tell me how you look at the reality of life for blacks, for African- Americans today?
[Mcqueen:] Well, I think there's a huge strength within the African-American community and as well as the African community, West African community in Britain and elsewhere in the world in Europe. There's a huge strength because we're survivors. And we're survivors through love. And I think what's been interesting for me about this film is the amount of people who have wanted to see this movie. We've made over $100 million on this on this picture so far. So it just tells you that people are interested in stories, interested in challenging stories and wanting to sort of somehow reflect on that past, more than they ever have before. So it's been a it's kind of been a kind of beautiful experience, really.
[Amanpour:] Now when it comes to the future, your next projects, the BBC has announced that you will be doing a project together about blacks in Britain. And I heard today that you said you want your next project to be a musical. Are you looking for something completely different?
[Mcqueen:] Well, I think all my movies
[Amanpour:] And are you excited for the BAFTAs, for the Oscars? Is your heart in your stomach on somewhere?
[Mcqueen:] Yes, I'm excited. You know, again, it's just about we've got nine nominations. And it's just that's the most important thing to me, that my crew had been nominated and the film's been recognized in this way, because we were at a point where, you know, some person said I remember very early on a very impossible movie. So the fact that we've made the impossible possible, that has given me a lot of satisfaction.
[Amanpour:] Well, Steve McQueen, we'll be watching. Thank you very much indeed for joining me.
[Mcqueen:] Thank you so much.
[Amanpour:] And 80 years ago, the Motion Picture Academy bestowed a special Oscar on a 6-year-old girl with curly hair and a phenomenal ability to sing and dance her way into people's hearts, even in the darkest days of the Great Depression. [Begin Video Clip, "the Little Colonel") Amanpour And when she took the hand of song-and-dance man Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, walking up the staircase, America's view of race would never quite be the same. Remembering Shirley Temple when we come back. [END VIDEO CLIP, "THE LITTLE COLONEL"]

[Bolduan:] I need the eye of the tiger or something to wake me up today. Welcome back to NEW DAY. It is time for the "Pop Four." Here is someone to wake us up, Nischelle Turner.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] This is your song so this will give you a little bit of energy. First, our number four story this morning, potentially some good news for Lemar Oden. There are reports that he has checked into rehab. A source telling "People" magazine he realized he needed help and we would love to see him get it. Good luck to you, Lemar. I am Katie, hear me roar. Robin Thicke has been dethroned is our number three story. His 12-week run on top of Billboard Hot 100 has come to an end all thanks to "Roar" Katie Perry's new single. It is a good one. Number two, wedding bells ringing this morning, Scarlett Johansson is engaged to her advertising executive, Bo Romaine. Rumors of an engagement began swirling after the ring she has on her finger she was wearing in Venice.
[Bolduan:] That little thing.
[Turner:] Costume jewelry, not. They have not chosen a wedding date. That's what her they tell CNN. All right, guys, what could have been our number one story, 50 shades of fall out. Yes, Ryan Gosling could have been saying, girl, to Dakota Johnson because he was offered the lead of "50 Shades of Grey," but he passed on the role, this according to the "Hollywood Reporter." He would have been a good Christian Grey. He's got that thing, guys. He's got that thing.
[Bolduan:] Are you nodding your head because you're unhappy?
[Turner:] Exactly, busy looking at the picture.
[Bolduan:] I'm having the same feeling right now.
[Cuomo:] I got, listen, I get the respect among the ladies for Ryan Gosling
[Bolduan:] Have you started the series?
[Cuomo:] However, I tell you what? I think you should get used to disappointment with him. He has a role as a director. He is a very smart guy, creative guy and he may see his future, maybe direct shirtless or something like that.
[Turner:] That would be nice. We could see the behind the scenes footage and get our fix. Chris Cuomo, I love when you give me insight to what I do.
[Cuomo:] It only happened once.
[Bolduan:] Chris knows something about everything and he'll let you know it.
[Cuomo:] Look, somebody's calling you. Coming up on NEW DAY, just months after announcing she has a fatal brain tumor, Valerie Harper back on TV and she's doing "Dancing With The Stars," but first she is talking to our Nischelle Turner.
[Bolduan:] President Obama is now in St. Petersburg, Russia for the G- 20 Summit. That doesn't mean his icy relationship with Vladimir Putin is warming up at all. We'll have more on that, ahead.

[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] Good evening, everybody. Thank you very much for your patience. I know it's late, at least here. And I apologize that we're running a little late. But we spent a fair amount of time in these talks. As you know, I came to Paris today to meet with Foreign Minister Lavrov because President Obama and the United States believe firmly that diplomacy has a critical role to play in helping the people of Ukraine to achieve their goal of living in dignity and in a stable, peaceful and unified democracy. And we are here because of our firm conviction that diplomatic solutions ought to be the first resort in solving international problems. The U.S. and Russia have differences of opinion about the events that led to this crisis. But both of us recognize the importance of finding a diplomatic solution for the Ukrainian people, and that we agreed on tonight. Both sides made suggestions on ways to de-escalate the security and political situation in and around Ukraine. We also agreed to work with the Ukrainian government and the people to implement the steps that they are taking to assure the following priorities. The rights of national minorities, language rights, demobilization and disarmament of the regular forces and provocateurs, and inclusive constitutional reform process, and free and fair elections monitored by the international community. We agreed to consider the ideas and the suggestions that we developed tonight and to continue our discussions soon. The United States is consulting with Ukraine at every step of this process. And we will not accept a path forward where the legitimate govern of Ukraine is not at the table. This principle is clear. No decisions about Ukraine without Ukraine. This afternoon when I spoke with the Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, I reiterated the United States' commitment to coordinate closely with Ukraine and to sustain our strong support throughout this process. With the full support of the Ukrainian people, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk is moving ahead with the constitutional change, democratic elections, and painful but necessary economic reforms. And as we have seen in the past week at the IMF and the U.N., as well as in the EU and the G-7, the international community stands firmly with Ukraine. We will continue working in lock step to provide them with the economic and the political support that they need during their transition. In a frank conversation this evening with Foreign Minister Lavrov, I made clear that the United States still considers the Russian actions to be illegal and illegitimate. And Russia's actions over the past several weeks have placed it at odds, obviously, with the rule of law in the international community, and we still believe on the wrong side of history. But any real progress in Ukraine must include a pullback of the very large Russian force that is currently massing along Ukraine's borders. And tonight, I raised with the foreign minister our strong concern about these forces. We believe that these forces are creating a climate of fear and intimidation in Ukraine. It certainly does not create the climate that we need for the dialogue and for the messages sent to both the international community as well as the Ukrainians themselves about the diplomatic channel. The United States and the international community stand in firm support of Ukraine's sovereignty and Ukraine's territorial integrity. We will continue to support the people of Ukraine's right to choose their own future. And I will say that at least tonight Foreign Minister Lavrov indicated that Russia wants to respect the right of Ukrainians to make that choice. They obviously in Ukraine are traveling a difficult democratic path towards the possibility of prosperity and peace and and tonight, Foreign Minister Lavrov indicated in our conversation that Russia wants to support Ukraine in its independence and in its ability to be able to make that transition. The Ukrainian government has demonstrated remarkable restraint in the face of enormous pressure. It has shown the world the kind of courage and a resilience that every country ought to applaud. And as it continues down this path, the United States of America and our partners will remain firmly by its side. I'd be delighted to take any questions.
[Kerry:] Thank you very much, Michael. As I said earlier, both sides made suggestions today on how we can de-escalate the security as well as the political situation in and around Ukraine. And, yes, we talked very seriously and at length about the impact of the massing of troops and the importance of including the drawdown and redeployment of some of those troops with respect to the process moving forward. We both made suggestions as to how that might be able to be achieved. And I will return to Washington to consult with President Obama about his choices with respect to that. But in the end, let's be clear: it is Ukrainians who have to ultimately agree to or make any decisions with respect to the road ahead. We're trying to find a way to defuse this, de-escalate it, and provide a climate within which good negotiations can take place regarding the other issues. That brings me to the other issue that you raised, Michael, about the question of federalization. I said in my opening comments, and I will repeat again, it's not up to us to make any decision or any agreement regarding federalization. We talked about it. But it's up to Ukrainians. And Ukrainians will decide their future for themselves, by themselves, with respect to what kind of definitions work for them. And it will have to be, you know, an input obviously of what the Russian view is. I think it's important to take that into account because Russia obviously has long ties and serious interests. But in the end, Ukrainians are going to have to make that decision. And so tonight we did not explore that because it would have been inappropriate of me to do so without Ukrainian input and direction with respect to that. What we're looking for here is a process, not a substantive resolution of each of the issues because Ukrainians have to do that substance. What we're looking for is how do we de-escalate? How do we get on a track to be able to give the Ukrainians the opportunity that they deserve to be able to do that? Well, with respect to the troop deployment, I think I've really answered it. We have ideas. We have some proposals that both sides made. And it's really important for the appropriate consultations to take place before there's any discussion about that. But in the end, obviously the troops are in Russia. They're on Russian soil. The question is not one of right or legality. The question is one of strategic appropriateness. And and whether it's smart at this moment in time to have that number of troops massed on a border when you're trying to send the message perceivably that you want to de-escalate and begin to move in the other direction. So those are the choices that have to be made. But Ukrainians have to be front and center in whatever the lasting, long-term possibilities are. And I'm not going to venture there tonight because it's really up to them what's appropriate or not. Secondly, with respect to the Middle East peace process and the prisoners, I'm just not going to comment at this important moment. I think it would be inappropriate to get into any kind of judgments about what may or may not occur or happen because it's really a question between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and what Prime Minister Netanyahu is prepared to do. So he has he's working diligently, I know. I just literally talked to him 15 minutes ago. And he's working at it. Our team is on the ground. We have our chief negotiator and the full team there. They're working every moment. I've been in touch with them constantly through the day. And we'll see where we are tomorrow when some judgments have to be made. Thank you all. Appreciate it. Thanks.

[Berman:] He a music legend, an American icon, and he likes pot. Willie Nelson, a man who makes music and news.
[Pereira:] He's part of a White House Salute to the Troops that is set to air tonight on PBS. Our Brooke Baldwin asked him about this week's victory for marijuana legalization in the capital and whether it will help smoke out some of the gridlock.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Correspondent:] Do you think it would help people in D.C. Get along?
[Willie Nelson, Singer:] Well, I really think stress is the cause of a lot of our problems and I really believe the best medicine for stress is pot. Yeah, I think it would make us get along better all over the world.
[Baldwin:] I want you to tell me what you did on the roof of the White House.
[Nelson:] Well, Brooke, it's that short-term memory thing.
[Baldwin:] Oh, come on, we've talked about it on CNN before.
[Nelson:] Well, I'll tell you this much. Up on top of the White House it's really a great scene up there. All of the roads come together up there and you feel like you're at the center of the world.
[Baldwin:] Is this anything you will address this with the White House as you enter said White House?
[Nelson:] Oh, I probably won't say anything to the president about it. But I think I realize how he feels about it and I've read his books about when he was a kid that he may have delved into that matter a little bit, so I'm sure he's understanding of what is going on and he may be happy to see it happening.
[Pereira:] Brooke Baldwin graces our set today. So lovely to have you here
[Baldwin:] Hello.
[Pereira:] fresh off your conversation with the legend. How great is this?
[Baldwin:] Listen, any day is a good day when you get to talk to Willie Nelson. So we initially
[Berman:] Everyday is a great day for Willie Nelson.
[Baldwin:] Every day is a wonderful day for Willie Nelson. When we talked about the Salute to the Troops event airing on PBS and issues are near-and-dear to his heart, and then given the news worthiness I saw that eyebrow raised, Michaela. It was Alaska, D.C., and Oregon passing different pro-pot ballot measures, I wanted his thoughts. And I was sort of surprised. I talked to him. He has a wonderful relationship with Jimmy Carter. He's absolutely taken a bit of a toke on roof of the White House during the Carter administration. I said, Willie, is that true, is it myth? And he said, well, I didn't exactly roll it. Before I was on top, maybe, before I went up there. True story. But I asked how long he thinks it is will take half of the country to legalize recreational use of marijuana and he seems to think not very long.
[Berman:] We can joke about it, going into that interview, it makes me hungry.
[Baldwin:] This is something that has been near and dear to him for a long, long time. I didn't actually expect him to say, yes, I plan to address this with President Obama when we sing "On the Road Again." But it's been incredibly important to him. He's been a voice in this mass legalization movement. So as we're watching and seriously covering state by state by state, I think it will not be too long before we see the tides turning.
[Pereira:] Especially because for him, look it, how old is he? He's
[Baldwin:] His hard trigger is 50. I know that. So he's north of 70.
[Pereira:] It's not just a thing he did in his youth. It's been a lifestyle for him. And if anybody is at the forefront of this conversation, he'd be the one to broach it with the president.
[Baldwin:] Well, I doubt they had the conversation yesterday.
[Berman:] He was on the tour bus?
[Baldwin:] He was on the tour bus. Live from the tour bus. Thank you very much, Willie Nelson. You know when you show up, the painting on the side, you know where he is in town. And it was so wonderful for him to set up shop and talk to us. And, again, hours before the Salute to the Troops event at the White House.
[Pereira:] Tonight on
[Pbs. Baldwin:] Tonight on
[Pbs. Berman:] A great cause.
[Pereira:] Watch it.
[Berman:] Brooke Baldwin, great to have you here.
[Pereira:] What a treat for us. Thank you.
[Baldwin:] You're welcome. Always.
[Pereira:] That's it for us at this hour. And that's it for us this week at this hour.
[Berman:] That's Michaela Pereira.
[Pereira:] And you're John Berman.
[Berman:] "LEGAL VIEW" starts next with Ashleigh Banfield.

[Costello:] Sarah Palin is adding to her TV credits. The Fox News contributor and former host of "Sarah Palin's Alaska" has a brand new show in the pipeline. CNN's Nischelle Turner is here to tell us all about it. Good morning.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] Hey, good morning, Carol. You know this is a little bit of a departure for Sarah Palin because like you mentioned, she's been a contributor on Fox News. She also had the show "Sarah Palin's Alaska" and even though they called her the host of that show, "Sarah Palin's Alaska", it was more like a reality TV show. Now this show that's coming up on the Sportsman Channel she will be the host of and it's a weekly outdoors show. Now, the Sportsman Channel says that they will celebrate the red, the wild and the blue lifestyle. I'm anxious to see what that means. The show is going to be called "Amazing America". It debuts next April. Now the Sportsman Channel is a small channel. It's in 32 million homes, that's less than a third of American households with televisions. They say that their programming is geared to people that are interested in hunting, fishing and shooting. Now Sarah Palin's show will include stories about people and personalities and activities that are along the lines of that. There's 12 episodes to start, but I do think one interesting thing about this, Carol, the show says that it doesn't want to be politically polarizing, but they hired one of the most polarizing political figures. So do with it as you will.
[Costello:] And they're calling it red, white and blue. Yes.
[Turner:] Red, wild and blue yes.
[Costello:] Oh, OK. There's a distinction there. The Sportsman Channel, what else is on there?
[Turner:] You know, it's interesting, they have a couple of shows that have done fairly well, but they don't have a lot of, you know, signature programming yet. I think they're trying to make this their signature show with Sarah Palin. It could work. You know, whatever you think about her politics, she has a personality for television. She really does. That kind of folksy style, that every woman, you know, any town USA type of style works and it comes across on television, so we'll have to see what happens. Although, her former show "Sarah Palin's Alaska" did only last one season. It did not get renewed for a second season. We'll have to see how this one plays out.
[Costello:] All right. Nischelle Turner thanks so much. We'll be right back.
[Turner:] Sure.

[Romans:] It was supposed to be Saudi America. We are producing a lot more oil and natural gas, but are you feeling it? The promise of thousands of new jobs and lower energy bills nowhere in sight. And this summer, driving the car, running the AC is getting more expensive. Gas prices have surged after dropping just a few weeks ago. Take a look at this. From the July 4th holiday weekend until Monday, you got gas prices up 17 cents a gallon. Electricity prices are also rising. Check out the change at the wholesale level in some of the country's biggest trading hubs. In Massachusetts, up 101 percent; in New York State, up 65 percent; Washington, Oregon, Illinois, Arizona, and California, all with huge gains. Why? The Energy Information Administration says it's because of the rise in the price of natural gas; that's used to make electricity. Luckily for some, energy producers buy natural gas in bulk years ahead of time, so you might not see those increases in your energy bills, at least not until maybe next year. Now many areas got a big break from the sweltering heat this week, but you may have to keep that air conditioner on well into September. The National Weather Service predicts higher than expected temperatures across most of the country over the next three months. You can see where right there. But let's go back to gas for just a minute. It's not just changes in demand that move prices for gas anymore. Some refineries here in the U.S. are having a variety of problems. Plus we're in hurricane season; oil prices are volatile. The conflicts in Syria and Egypt, those cause worries about the supply chain. And big banks big banks may also be contributing. A Senate Banking Committee hearing this week discussed whether banks that own power plants, pipelines, and other physical commodities businesses pose problems for consumers.
[Sen. Elizabeth Warren,  Massachusetts:] But I also don't think that most retirees realize that their pension or retirement savings are used to pave the way for big banks to be able to control an electric plant or an oil refinery.
[Romans:] Tom Kloza is an expert on everything from the well head to the gas tank. He's also chief oil analyst at Gas Buddy. Nice to see you, Tom. So big banks, tensions in the Middle East, demand, cash-strapped Americans, refinery problems, is there a simple way to explain why gas prices are rising when we are flush with oil and gas in this country?
[Tom Kloza, Chief Oil Analyst, Gas Buddy:] Well, we're part of the world, and we do have the privilege numbers in terms of cheaper crude than the rest of the world, but there are a billion people elsewhere in developing countries that are moving into the middle class, let's say, in this generation. So we're going to see some settlements of world oil prices. But relative to the rest of the world, we've got better prices for crude, we've got much cheaper prices for natural gas and we've got a little bit of a privileged continent atmosphere. People don't notice it because they're paying about what they paid in the last three years for gasoline, but you look a generation ago, and it was, oh, a dollar or a $1.50 a gallon lower.
[Romans:] So it could be worse? Without all these new supplies of oil and energy, it could it would be worse?
[Kloza:] It could be worse. And I think that we need to remove out of the equation that we're not going to go to $5 and $6 or anything like that.
[Romans:] We're not?
[Kloza:] No, we're not. Only if we had some sort of major cataclysmic event like a major Mid-Eastern [sic] war. We've got plenty of refining. We've got plenty of domestic crude. We're producing more crude oil right now than we have since December of 1990, and we're going to go into the '80s in terms of matching production [inaudible].
[Romans:] Oh, yet we complain. We might be an entitled continent, but we complain. I mean, look, there was a commenter on a recent Gas Buddy blog that said that gas goes up like a rocket and down like a feather. Do you think prices have peaked for this move?
[Kloza:] I think they've peaked for this year. We got to $3.78 in February, which was sort of in anticipation of what might happen. They peaked unless we get events. And by events, I mean if we get a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico, you can almost take whatever the category of the hurricane is and move it in some sort of exponential like cubit, and that will be how much gas will go up. But without that and without Egyptian violence breaking out into the Suez Canal and elsewhere, I think we're pretty close to a top and I think we'll see much lower prices in the last 100 days of the year.
[Romans:] Yes. Well, I'm telling you, I'm so glad to turn my AC off. I mean, if it isn't put in the gas tank, it's going to paying my electric bill this summer. Thanks.
[Kloza:] Could be.
[Romans:] Nice to see you. Here are the other stories that matter to your money this week. It's not all just about the gas tank. Give me 60 seconds on the clock. It's "Money Time". Good news for Apple. It sold 31.2 million iPhones last quarter. No one saw that coming. The bad news, profits sank and investors are still waiting for Apple's next big thing. A new study finds parents are forking over less cash for their kids' college. Instead students rely more on scholarships and they're bunking up with Mom and Dad. One kid who doesn't need a college fund, Kate and William's royal baby boy. Estimates for the cost of raising the prince at a million bucks, and that's with a rent-free palace. If the royal baby wants a Taco Bell kids' meal up, he's out of luck. That's because Taco Bell won't be selling meals with toys anymore. Taco Bell is the first national chain to dump the kiddie menu. You might also say goodbye to mail at your door. The cash-strapped Post Office pushing to cluster boxes instead of door-to-door delivery. You can Google this next story. Google accounts for 25 percent of all web traffic in North America. That's bigger than Facebook, Twitter and Netflix combined. And Netflix could use some more of that traffic. Bringing back "Arrested Development" helped bring in lots of new viewers, but not enough to keep investors happy. Facebook finally delivers. The company had its best day ever on Thursday, rallying 30 percent after making big inroads in mobile advertising. The stock is still 10 percent below the IPO price of 38 bucks, but several Wall Street firms are now raising their target price above that threshold. Then there's the housing market. Home prices are up more than 12 percent from a year ago. This is according to S&P; Case Shiller. This market is no old bull; it is a young pup. Housing website Zillow predicts home prices will rise another 5 percent over the next year nationwide and double digits in some markets. So where should you put your money now? Before we ask Wall Street, let's hear from Main Street.
[Unidentified Male:] If I had some cash to burn, I would most likely buy real estate.
[Unidentified Female:] I would probably buy stocks. I think the stock market on the whole has always done better.
[Unidentified Male:] I feel like the housing market is going to eventually go up. But if I'm looking to make a real return on my investment, I'm going to buy some stock.
[Unidentified Female:] If it's not under my mattress, it would probably be in real estate.
[Romans:] If it's not under my mattress. There is always somebody putting it in the mattress. Let's ask the experts. Keith McCullough is CEO of Hedgeye Risk Management; Michelle Meyer is the senior U.S. economist at Bank of America. Nice to see you guys. Wow, Keith, if we talk hot market, look at Facebook. And now the targets are getting bumped up. Is this "fool me once" with all the hype here or are you buying in?
[Keith Mccullough, Ceo, Hedgeye Risk Management:] Yes, I definitely wouldn't buy Facebook today. What I'd actually do is if you own Facebook, I'd take it, I'd sell it and I'd buy a house with it, Christine.
[Romans:] You would!
[Mccullough:] Yes, I think that's the right call. People feel and should feel comfortable in housing in particular. Your supply is tight. Demand from a mortgage think about your mortgage payment as a percentage of your income. It's at a historical low, so that's affordable. And prices, as you pointed out multiple times, are rising, which is a great time to buy a house.
[Romans:] Michelle, lots of debt on housing this week. Existing home sales, Michelle, slipped in June, but new home sales are at a five- year high. You look at some of this housing data, do you agree that, you know, with mortgage rates falling for the second straight week, that the read on the housing market is still quite bullish?
[Michelle Meyer, Senior U.s. Economist, Bank Of America:] I think it is. And I think the fundamentals are very supportive of home prices continuing to rise. We have very low inventory; we have a lot of pent-up demand coming from household formation and also coming from people that were sitting on the sidelines, waiting to feel more comfortable about the idea that housing is once again an appreciating asset. So I think we are seeing a continued improvement housing demand. It could be volatile; it always is volatile. The data is very noisy, so we have to be careful of reading too much into one month.
[Romans:] [Inaudible] it's a gain for the 1 percent, this real estate game at the moment, because when you look at first-time home buyers, they're 30 percent of home sales, and first-time home buyers tell their realtors the NRA reporting that they can't find the house they want in their price point; they can't find something they can afford. That's probably because of an inventory issue. And also they're still having trouble getting mortgages. You look at some of these other markets, 57 percent of the purchases in like Florida are cash purchases; 80 percent of purchases in the last year in Vermont are cash purchases. Doesn't seem like it's a gain for the masses. It still seems like the people who have money are making money in real estate.
[Meyer:] Well, it still in many ways is a distorted market. We came off of the biggest housing recession since the Great Depression. We've had a lot of distressed inventory and we've had extraordinarily low production, extraordinarily low construction. So I think, yes, in terms of clearing out the distressed inventory, in terms of moving the existing property, it's been driven by that higher end individual. Once we start to see new construction pick up, which is more focused towards that entry-level homebuyer, then I think we begin to see the resemblance of a more normal housing market. We're not in a normal market. This is the beginning of a turn which ultimately will be towards a more stable market.
[Romans:] OK. Keith, you said earlier take that Facebook stock and buy a house with it. If you ask the question stocks or real estate, is the answer both?
[Mccullough:] Yes, I think it's both. But again, it's all about the duration of your holding, so I think you had a lot of normal people give you that explicit answer. And I think on stocks you got to keep buying pullbacks, because what the market is really doing, and Facebook is a shining example of this, is that the market is saying, hey, look, we like growth. Even though the rest of the world is trying to scare the hell out of you every day, fear is for sale, bonds are for sale, so you want to sell those, and you want to buy stocks on pullbacks, and then you want to take your gains and you want to buy longer duration assets like a home. Again, I agree with a lot of what Michelle had to say on that. Affordability and a lot of metrics is right where you want it to be. Now you just need that type of supply to come online.
[Romans:] All right. We keep hearing, if you have a house, buy another. [Inaudible] big hedge fund guy last week, if you have one house, buy another. That's the best place for anybody to make money these days. Michelle, thank you so much. Keith, nice to see both of you. Coming up, sex, lies and money. From Anthony Weiner to Wall Street, these days it's hard to find anyone to trust.

[Baldwin:] Authorities in Yemen are today beginning to acknowledge they may have a huge prize after reaching operations against al Qaeda. They are now, as we were initially reporting yesterday, carrying out those DNA tests to determine if this man is among the dead from that drone strike. His name, Ibrahim al-al-Asiri. He's the bomb maker possibly responsible for building those underwear bombs. Remember those used in Detroit in 2009 on that plane, among other bombs? Joining me now, Mohammed Jamjoom. Mohammed, we know this man has been in hiding for quite a while. This would be huge if they got him.
[Mohammed Jamjoom, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yeah, no two ways about it, Brooke. It would be absolutely massive. Ibrahim al-Asiri is perhaps the most-wanted man in Yemen. The most high-value AQAP target in that country, which is full of high-value AQAP targets. You look at the list of plots that have been hatched in Yemen the past few years that have had such an impact in the region and around the world, like you mentioned, the underwear bombing plot, or the cartridge bomb plot, or even the plot to assassinate the interior minister of Saudi Arabia, Yemen's neighbor to the north, all of those plots have Ibrahim's fingerprints all over them. If he were to have been killed, that would be huge for Yemen's government, for America's counterterrorism efforts. That all being said, though, even though Yemeni officials I'm speaking with today are more confident and questioning publicly that perhaps they did get him, it's still going to take some time to really make sure that these DNA tests are thorough, and that this is the guy. What we know now is that there was a fire fight that ensued a couple of nights ago and that they got some militants. Some of them were Saudi. They believe they were high targets. They believe perhaps they've got him and now they're trying to confirm it for sure Brooke?
[Baldwin:] Now waiting for that confirmation. Mohammed Jamjoom in Washington, D.C., for us. Mohammed, thank you.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Is it a technical problem if you have more than one or two working at the same time?
[Peter Goelz, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] They need to keep them separate and out of each other's ways. If you've got two, it's not like you're listening for the ping. You just need to be able to manage the search under water. It will make it go twice as fast. But I'm not disappointed that they haven't found anything in four dives. I think this is going to take some weeks. If they're in the right spot, they'll find it.
[Blitzer:] They're looking for a relatively small black box
[Goelz:] That's right.
[Blitzer:] in a huge, huge area, but what they assume is that if that black box is there, Tom, they assume there's other wreckage not that far away, right?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Exactly.
[Blitzer:] They haven't seen any wreckage in the first four or five dives.
[Fuentes:] It is a short time, so we'll just have to let this go forward. But if they need more equipment, it will take a while too get it. They can't just dial it up and send it out there and put it in the water. There's a lot of logistical support that goes with it, preprogramming. Everything involved with trying to coordinate multiple underwater vehicles is going to be difficult.
[Blitzer:] Sure. Australia's top transport minister, Peter Martin Dolan, he raised the possibility of expanding the search, saying that the Inmarsat satellite picked up a handshake along that long arc. Is it premature to start expanding or simply focus in where the pings were coming from?
[Goelz:] No, I think you've got a plan for all options. They've got the plan that this may not turn out. This was based on some assumptions. The assumptions might have been flawed. If you're going to search the length, you have to do it with a towed array. You have to do it with a new vehicle. And you better start lining that up now.
[Blitzer:] I assume they've searched a much wider area on the surface with the planes and the ships, right?
[Fuentes:] And that's proven negative, so they found nothing from doing that. Again, with looking at a wider area of search, they're assuming that it's in this area, not just on the pings, but also the fact of how much fuel they think that plane consumed based on their guess at altitude, their guess at air speed, you know, so really they're going by the pings in the water and that's the best way now to look.
[Blitzer:] Because, Peter, earlier in the week, we heard Malaysian officials, Australian officials, including top leaders there, suggesting they're going to wrap up by this weekend presumably the aerial search. You don't think necessarily that's a good idea?
[Goelz:] Well, I think you've got to keep searching until you find something. But they've got a lot resources developed on the air side that hasn't panned out. I don't think it's going to pan out. So it's probably time to phase that back.
[Blitzer:] You agree?
[Fuentes:] I agree.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about these questions the families have now submitted to Malaysian authorities. They want answers. 26 questions. Among them, can we listen to the conversation between the pilots and the controllers? They've released a transcript. They want to hear the audio. What's in the flight's log book? Can we review the plane's maintenance log? Are these realistic? Should they be made available, the answers, to the family members?
[Goelz:] Some are, some aren't. In terms of looking at the maintenance log, that's going to become public at some point. I'm not sure what they would see in the maintenance log. But listening to the tower tape, to the communications, I see nothing wrong with that.
[Blitzer:] There was an ongoing criminal investigation. Tom, you're a former FBI assistant director. Any of cress questions, if they give the answers to the families, could that undermine the investigation?
[Fuentes:] We just don't know. It's hard to say on the outside whether it would or wouldn't, based on what they know they haven't released. I think the feeling is they want to keep the families informed but it's not a participatory event for them to be involved in the investigation.
[Blitzer:] Tom Fuentes, Peter Goelz, thanks very much. Today, Mt. Everest proved to be one of the most dangerous places on earth. We'll tell you what happened when a massive avalanche hit, hitting Nigeria. It's dangerous just to be a girl who wants an education. Islamic militants kidnap more than 100 school girls. We'll tell you what the government did to make the situation even more painful for the parents.

[Costello:] It is difficult to imagine just how difficult the past two weeks have been for families with loved ones on board Flight 370. Today one family had enough, broke into a press briefing room before being forcibly removed.
[Unidentified Male:] Please step back. Go back. Step back.
[Costello:] Before being removed from that press briefing the family held up a sign claiming Malaysia Airlines was hiding the truth. Still everyone has to wait for answers. They have no other choice, sadly. One woman whose American partner was on board that flight told CNN's Anderson Cooper that rumors of a hijacking actually give her hope.
[Sarah Bajc, Partner Was On Flight 370:] Partly it makes me feel like I'm not crazy because that's the scenario that I hypothesized way back, the first day after it happened. So by Sunday already I was starting to think, you know, there's clearly no sign of crash. It was a night time activity. So satellite should have been able to pick up any kind of flame. And so the only logical answer for a completely silent jet would be that it had been taken. And over the week, of course, all my friends were starting to think that perhaps I was just in denial and I was even starting to doubt myself a little bit and so when all of this new evidence started to come out it gave me confidence that I wasn't so crazy after all.
[Costello:] But the quality of the information coming out of those press briefings in Malaysia, well at least people confused and that sometimes can leave them with false hopes. Daniel Rose is an aviation attorney he joins us now to talk about this. Good morning.
[Daniel Rose, Aviation Attorney:] Good morning Carol.
[Costello:] So our reporters on the scene said there are already attorneys surrounding these families in Kuala Lumpur. My gut reaction is oh ambulance chasers. But is that right?
[Rose:] Well I think your initial reaction is right, I think it's despicable. I mean if there are U.S. attorneys over there given the circumstances that we don't even know what's happened yet or where the plane is or what's happened to these loved ones, you just saw the video its heart wrenching. it's just disgusting and the very likely potentially against the ethical rules of some of the states that these lawyers practice in or even federal rules.
[Costello:] Yes from my understanding they have to wait something like 45 days until they can actually talk with some of these families. And they are waiting. You know, on the other hand, these families feel so helpless. No one seems to be standing up for them so some of them may want an attorney.
[Rose:] Well, that's fine. If they want an attorney they can certainly go out and reach out for one and I'm not saying that's a bad idea at all at this point. In fact, there are some, you know, interesting and complicated legal issues in a case where you probably have to bring a claim within two years but on the other hand there are some states that are going to say you have to wait two years if you don't have a definitive ruling on whether there was a death or not involved to bring a lawsuit or to have a verification of death or certification of death. So that can pose some very complicated legal problems that you probably do need to get a lawyer involved with before, certainly well before the two year involvement. But to be at the scene, you know, within two weeks, is just inexcusable.
[Costello:] Going back to what you said previously about the filing of lawsuits and you have to wait two years. You are talking as if you know let's say the plane is never found. That would pose that problem for the families because they would want Malaysian authorities to go on looking no matter what. Malaysian authorities might think differently. And in that case, what do you do?
[Rose:] Right well you know the legal process a lot of times has to parallel the investigative process. So you need to find some information about what happened in order to know whether this is a claim based on mechanical issues or the airlines conduct. And they trigger very different laws and different time limits and different evidence in proof but clearly, you know, the families are interested, understandably, in knowing what happened, where their loved ones are. And the reality is they are going to be put up against some practical constraints, including who is going to pay for an ongoing search into you know, that could go into months, if not years. So and that's not even getting to the ultimate concern, which is giving these families closure. I mean I can't imagine you know nothing worse than going through an aviation accident disaster like this. The only thing possibly worse is not knowing ultimately what happened.
[Costello:] Daniel Rose, thanks for your insight. I appreciate it.
[Rose:] My pleasure.
[Costello:] We're back in a minute.

[Cuomo:] Twenty-nine-year-old Brittany Maynard has a set death in front of her and she wants to control it herself. Now here's her story. Five months ago, Brittany was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. And given the promise of just months to live, followed by the process of a horrible death. Well now in an online video, Brittany says it's not going down that way.
[Brittany Maynard, Diagnosed With Terminal Brain Cancer:] I will die upstairs in my bedroom that I share with my husband, with my mother and my husband by my side. I can't even tell you the amount of relief that it provides me to know that I don't have to die the way that it's been described to me that my brain tumor would take me on its own.
[Cuomo:] This is one of those stories that really combines what is so impossible to accept with figuring out what is possible in terms of what you can do about it. Brittany and her husband have moved to Oregon. Now that's a state where death with dignity laws are in place, allowing Brittany to end her life when she wants with specially prescribed medication. This is sparking a debate across the nation. Let's bring in someone who really understands the debate, Arthur Caplan. He's the head of the division of medical ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center. Professor, thank you for joining us.
[Arthur L. Caplan, Director, Division Of Medical Ethics, Nyu Langone Med. Ctr:] Thanks for having me.
[Cuomo:] This is the combination of can you and should you. Let's start with the can you. What is the law here? What does it provide?
[Caplan:] So, 14 years ago, Oregon became the first state to permit assistance in dying. It says, if you're terminally ill, certified by two doctors, if you make a request and you're not psychologically or psychiatrically depressed, you have to make the request three times over a period of time, they will give you a lethal dose of barbiturates basically, and you must take the pills. The doctor doesn't administer them. So you have to reach out and say, I'm going to take these now. It's been in place, as I said, for more than a decade. Washington state has followed. Vermont just created the same policy. Two states, New Mexico and Montana, have court opinions that look like they're going to allow this.
[Camerota:] So if she were in one of these other 47 states that does not allow it yet, what would happen? What would the punishment be?
[Caplan:] If she had a large dose of barbiturates and killed herself, she'd probably void her insurance policy. She'd have fiscal penalties. If the husband stepped over and said, I'm going to give you these with a glass of water, he could be prosecuted in many states for assisting a suicide.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] So here's here's the thing now. We talk about ethics, right, and compassionate care and
[Caplan:] And we need to talk about ethics.
[Pereira:] And we want to talk but we do and we want to talk about that because I think so many people are struggling with this. You have concerns about it. Talk to me about your concerns.
[Caplan:] So I think the concerns about legalization here, which I will come out and say I do favor, but there are concerns. One is, are you going to go down a slippery slope. This is restricted to terminally ill people, like her. She's got a terrible brain
[Cuomo:] Who says that you're terminally ill? You say two doctors. But what means terminally ill and
[Caplan:] Is it an allergist and a dermatologist, so it hasn't been tight that way? People are going to press and say, you know what, what if I have Alzheimer's? What if I have some sort of ALS. I'm not terminally ill immediately, but I don't want to live this way. In Europe, we've seen some slide toward allowing people to die who just say I'm horribly depressed. Belgium, the Netherlands have done that. So slippery slope issues are there. You've got to worry about those. The other is, with a woman, you know, my heart goes out to her, but when you announce I'm going to kill myself on day x and bring the family in and we're all going to say good-bye, there's a little bit of pressure there. It's sort of like, you've got to perform what you said you were going to do.
[Pereira:] Especially going on camera saying, you know, right in,
[Caplan:] Yes. Yes. So you don't want to coerce yourself. I mean this assisted suicide is for people who say, you know, I feel horrible, I can't go on, it's too much for me.
[Pereira:] Right. Right.
[Caplan:] Now we're going to do it, not I'm going to do it on date x.
[Cuomo:] But there's help there's help for people who have depression.
[Caplan:] So
[Cuomo:] Is there any help for her?
[Caplan:] You know, there is a little bit of help and we don't want to forget it. We've seen the rise of hospice,
[Camerota:] And, of course, we all know stories in our own lives and then anecdotally something that was supposedly a death sentence, and there was a miracle.
[Pereira:] Yes, there was a miracle. Right. Yes.
[Camerota:] And somebody recovered.
[Caplan:] Well, I didn't want to say I didn't want to say it happens a lot. The difference here is, she's 29, she's got this brain tumor, there's some chance. When you get to somebody who's 89 and they have four strokes and three heart attacks and a cancer, there you're a little more certain about where you're headed.
[Pereira:] Well, they downgraded her outlook. They had originally given her years to live and then it turned into mere months.
[Caplan:] They did. I think somebody probably got a peek at her tumor using this new DNA analysis we can do and said, oh, this is a bad one. But nonetheless, you don't want people pulling the rip cord to go unless they really feel like there's no other option. By the way, interesting fact about Oregon, only 30 about 30 percent of the people who ask for the pills never take them because they like the ability to say, I'm in control, but then they want to go on.
[Camerota:] Interesting. It's empowering somehow.
[Caplan:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
[Pereira:] Absolutely.
[Camerota:] Yes. Art Caplan, thanks so much.
[Caplan:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] All right, we are going to shift gears. Have you ever wanted to know what it may be like to squeeze into a wet suit and dangle 30 feet from a theater ceiling in Las Vegas? Yes you have? I hope so. Because Mike Rowe has. He's done it. He's here to tell us all about it and preview his new show on
[Cnn. Rowe:] Yes, I will I will do that.

[Holmes:] Welcome back to AROUND THE WORLD, everyone. Here are some of the top stories we're following. In Ft. Meade, Maryland, closing arguments under way in the court- martial of Bradley Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst who is charged with the largest leak of classified documents in U.S. history.
[Malveaux:] He's accused of handing over a trove of documents to Wikileaks. One of the most serious charges Manning faces is aiding the enemy. which could carry a maximum penalty of life in prison. Now Manning has already pleaded guilty to nearly a dozen lesser charges that carry a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.
[Holmes:] Check this video out. A Wisconsin state trooper escapes injury when, wait for it, a semi clips the side of his patrol car all caught on dash-cam as these things are.
[Malveaux:] And Trooper Jim Reese had to stop a driver for speeding. He was walking back to the vehicle when all of this unfolded when that crash happened. Now the truck driver was cited for not paying attention, obviously, failure to move over. Unbelievable.
[Holmes:] You're going to clip a car, don't make it a police car. Now that ferocious fire that we've been following aboard a natural gas well in the Gulf of Mexico now, thank goodness, nearly out. Federal officials also tell us that gas has stopped flowing from that damaged rig. This fire broke out two days ago after workers hit an unexpected pocket of gas.
[Malveaux:] Everyone was evacuated safely, thank goodness. Officials say the only contamination so far has been a light sheen that appeared to quickly dissipate. Now it's unclear just how the crews plan to secure that well.
[Holmes:] And back to our top story, that train crash in Spain, I mean it's just unbelievable when you see the pictures, horrible accident caught on video, this by a surveillance camera. You can see just how it flies off the tracks. Yeah, unbelievable. The car behind the lead car seems to go off first. Officials say now that 80 people have been killed in this accident, 140 or so injured. One of our iReporters was actually near the scene of the crash when it happened. Ivette Rubiera took these photographs you see there, smoke coming from the wreckage, the train lying on its side, the first locomotive that we see there on fire, some of the carriages split in two, just a scene of utter devastation.
[Malveaux:] Ivette joins us on the phone from Spain. And, if you could, you went running to the scene. What did you hear and what did you see?
[Ivette Rubiera, Ireporter:] Well, we were driving toward Santiago de Compostela. We were coming from Coruna and we saw the traffic stopping, and assumed it was an accident on the highway but it wasn't. It was actually you know, my husband said, look to the right, and when we looked to the right, we saw the huge flames and the fire so we stopped, but we really couldn't do much. We just stood there. Everybody was in shock and in horror because it was a really devastating, devastating sight to see.
[Holmes:] I can imagine it. And how quickly did help get on the scene? This is a pretty populated area.
[Rubiera:] Well, it took, because it was during traffic time, so it took them about five minutes.
[Holmes:] Right. Right, now...
[Rubiera:] For the first...
[Holmes:] Yeah. We were saying earlier, too, and give some context for us about why so many people are in that area, or in Santiago de Compostela. It's a very significant time for religious people there.
[Rubiera:] Yes, it is. It's actually a national holiday. Today they celebrate one of the apostle's day, so what they do is they do celebrations last night. They were supposed to, and they were supposed to do celebrations today. But due to what happened, nothing is going to be done.
[Malveaux:] I can only imagine the mood there today, the day after something this horrific is happening. What are people saying? Are they praying? Are they trying to acknowledge in some way this tremendous loss?
[Rubiera:] Well, it's a you know, it's a small town, so everybody kind of knows someone. So, you know, it's very sad.

[Curnow:] Welcome back to the International Desk. I'm Robyn Curnow. Well, you're been watching breaking news coverage from our colleagues at CNN USA, and we have an update now, as they've been saying, on that fatal shooting at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina. Police say the suspect has been identified as 21-year-old Dylann Roof a relative says law enforcement officers have been at his mother's house. Nine people, including a Bible study class attending a Bible study class, were killed Wednesday night. A law enforcement official says witnesses told them the suspect said he was there to shoot black people. Well, this Charleston church is a building steeped in history. It's been a prominent part of Charleston's African-American community for two centuries now, and it's played a has played host to dignitaries such as Martin Luther King. Visit CNN.com to learn more about the church and it's links to freed slaves and the civil rights movement. You'll find that link at our webpage. Let's move on now. In Israel, 16 Jewish minors who were requested in connection with a church fire at a Christian holy site have been released. Now, Israeli police say the fire at the Church of the Multiplication was intentionally set. CNN's Oren Liebermann joins us now from Israel. He's in an area Called Tabgha, which is at the north shore of the Sea of Galilee. Hi there, what can you tell us about this?
[Oren Liebermann:] Robyn, it's not hard when you look around to see why police are calling this an arson, why they're so confident here. They say two fires started right in this area of the monastery section of the church early this morning just after 3:00 o'clock this morning, and you can see what's left of the monastery, and that is not much. The damage here is almost complete. The destruction from these two fires that burned in here, you can see everything has been charred. Everything has been torched. I'm holding here a holy scripture, a Bible that's in German. This is a Benedictine Monastery here, and you can still feel the heat from the fire that was hours ago, and you can also see the other damage here as firefighters came to put this out, they soaked everything in water, so the damage to the monastery almost complete here. There was also graffiti left by the arsonists, by extremists, and that graffiti reads in red graffiti in Hebrew on an outside wall of the monastery. It says idols will have their heads cut off, or idols will be decapitated. Police very much calling this an extremist case, and because of that lettering, because it's in Hebrew, police very much looking at the possibility that these suspects are Jewish extremists, perhaps from the West Bank, perhaps not, but that's the direction of the investigation, or at least part of the direction of the investigation now. Both sides here, Israelis and Palestinians, condemning this. Both sides speaking out in the strongest language saying the investigation should find these extremists. Police have put the head of their nationalistic crimes unit in charge of this, looking at this as an extremist crime, as a hate crime, to try to find out who would do this. Again, as you mentioned Robyn, police had 16 people, 16 Jewish youths from the West Bank in for questioning. They took their statements and have since released them. As of right now, Robyn, the investigation continues police tell us.
[Curnow:] And Oren tell us the significance of this area.
[Liebermann:] This is one of the most significant areas, not just for Christianity here in the Holy Land, but for Christianity worldwide. This is the Church of the Multiplication, otherwise known as the Church of the Loaves and Fishes. This is where the New Testament says Jesus multiplied two fish and five loaves of bread to feed 5000 people. That's one of the miracles he performed right in this area, but that's not it. This is also significant because we're right near the area where the New Testament says Jesus walked on water, and right near the area where the Bible says Jesus performed the Sermon on the Mount, so it's an incredibly significant region, an incredibly significant area. Again, not just for Christians here, but also for Christians all around the world, and this crime, this arson comes at an incredibly sensitive time, and, of course, a sensitive place. That's because police are looking at the possibility of the Jewish extremists torching a Christian church on the first day of Ramadan, Robyn.
[Curnow:] Thanks so much, Oren Liebermann for that report. We'll have to leave it at that. Thank you. Now, Iraqi tribal fighters may be willing to battle ISIS with Iraq's Army, but they still need to feed their families. Coming up, how a money crunch is hurting morale at a key training base. We're live in Baghdad straight ahead.

[Stephanie Rawlings-blake, Mayor Of Baltimore:] I want citizens to know exactly how it happened and, if necessary, we will I will insure that we will hold the right people accountable.
[Camerota:] Big questions this morning for the Baltimore Police Department. How did 27-year-old Freddie Gray become so severely injured in custody that he died yesterday? Police did not explain why Gray was arrested or how he sustained those injuries. Let's bring in the attorney, William Murphy, Jr. He represents the family of Freddie Gray. Mr. Murphy, thanks for being with us.
[William Murphy Jr., Attorney For Freddie Gray's Family:] Thank you. Good morning.
[Camerota:] What has the Baltimore Police Department shared with you and the family about the arrest?
[Murphy:] Absolutely nothing. The only things we know from the police are the things that they've said on television, and that hasn't been much at all. There is a video surveillance camera right above where Freddie Green was Freddie Gray was arrested. And that camera should tell at least the first part of the story about what happened to him from the beginning of the time the police first touched him to the time that he was put into the vehicle to be taken to the police station.
[Camerota:] So so the police have not communicated with you or the family at all. Have have they mentioned why they confronted Freddie Gray to begin with?
[Murphy:] No. And the officers evidently have taken the Fifth Amendment rather than cooperate with the police investigation.
[Camerota:] Well, the mayor, as you just heard, of Baltimore, is promising a thorough investigation. Here's what she said yesterday.
[Rawlings-blake:] We have to move forward in a responsible way to determine all of the facts of this incident so that we can provide the community with the answers, the real answers, that they deserve.
[Camerota:] Now the city's chief prosecutor is investigating this, says that there's an investigation under way. Are you satisfied that the prosecutor will be able come up with some real answers?
[Murphy:] Well, we're enthusiastic about the new prosecutor. She's newly elected, and she comes to the office with a belief in the integrity of these kinds of investigations. We have much more confidence in her than we have in the police. Because there's never been any level of confidence, nor should there be, in the police investigating themselves. So we we await the outcome of that investigation, and of course, we're doing our own investigation simultaneously, as far as we can. We've already interviewed about a dozen witnesses at the scene, and we've seen the police or the citizen videos that have come out concerning what happened.
[Camerota:] And so from your investigation, what do you believe happened?
[Murphy:] Well, what we do know for sure is that he was in good health when the police first contacted him, and he died of an 80 percent severed spinal cord and three broken vertebrae in his neck.
[Camerota:] Is that what doctors have told you?
[Murphy:] And that's not good.
[Camerota:] Where are you getting that information, Mr. Murphy?
[Murphy:] We have our own sources at this point. And we're not at liberty to expose those sources, but I'm confident that that information is reliable.
[Camerota:] Something, obviously, grievous happened to him. Even in that video that we're watching, you can see at one point the police dragging him. And it appears that Mr. Gray's legs are limp. So something happened that we can't see on the video. What are witnesses telling you?
[Murphy:] Well, the witnesses' stories at this point, on matters as critical as a video, which will show everything. Now, of course, the video has no sound, and we think it won't have. The witnesses will be important to fill in that part of what happened. But you could see him screaming in pain as he has been dragging, or as he's being dragged to the police vehicle; and that's problematic. And you can also see his legs are appear to be limp and not moving. And that also suggests that the injury may have already happened at that point. But until we see the autopsy report and we await the outcome of the police investigation, and what I understand is the simultaneous investigation by the chief prosecutor of Baltimore, we'll know more about this. Now, bear in mind that Baltimore has a sorry history of police brutality and a sorrier history in terms of a governmental response to police brutality. Typically, the police deny, deny, deny, no matter what the facts are. And it is not unusual for them to promote the police officer, even after he's been found guilty of brutality. We had one case I handled this where we got a $44 million verdict against the police officer who rammed my client into the brick wall at the back of his holding cell and paralyzed him from the neck down.
[Camerota:] Oh my goodness.
[Murphy:] That police officer was promoted to sergeant after the verdict against him, and the city refused to pay and made us appeal at every level. So we had to go to the court of special appeals, the court of appeals.
[Camerota:] Yes.
[Murphy:] We won in all of the appellate courts, and still they wouldn't pay the verdict. So it's a sorry, sorry, situation.
[Camerota:] Mr. Murphy, can you tell us how the family of Freddie Gray is processing all of this?
[Murphy:] Oh, they're broken up, completely. They're they're barely able to absorb these tragic events. These things happened so quickly, and it's a real tragedy.
[Camerota:] Well, we certainly hope that the mayor and, if there is an independent review and the prosecutor's office can get to the bottom of what actually happened here. Mr. Billy Murphy, thank you so much for being on
[New Day. Murphy:] Thank you for having me.
[Camerota:] Let's get over to John.
[Berman:] All right. Thanks, Alisyn. The single most important indication of what will happen in the presidential election to be published in the last 83 minutes. Surprising numbers. Inside the numbers, a brand-new CNN poll that will change how you view the campaign.

[Malveaux:] We're watching the courtroom in Sanford, Florida. You can see the live pic there. That is just the seal. They're on a lunch break. They'll be back shortly, probably about 10 15 minutes. Testimony set to resume any moment. This is George Zimmerman's murder trial. We'll take you back to the courtroom as soon as that starts, just moments away. Most emotional testimony we heard so far in the trial has come from, no doubt, the family members. Both from the victim as well as the defendant. You might think the jurors give special consideration to the family's testimony, right? Doesn't always work that way. Here's Randi Kaye.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Dueling testimony from mothers on both sides over just who was screaming during the 911 call.
[Unidentified Male:] That screaming or yelling do you recognize that?
[Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon Martin's Mother:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] Who do you recognize that to be?
[Fulton:] Trayvon Benjamin Martin.
[Unidentifief Male:] Do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background?
[Gladys Zimmerman, George Zimmerman's Mother:] Yes, sir.
[Unidentified Male:] Whose voice was that?
[Zimmerman:] My son, George.
[Kaye:] During emotional trials, family members are often star witnesses, put on the stand for their sometimes emotional and personal insight in hopes of gaining favor with the jury. The question is, is it effective? Sometimes yes and sometimes no.
[Mark Nejame, Cnn Legal Analyst:] A lot of times jurors will disregard family testimony because they simply believe there's so much bias involved that that's not a neutral witness or necessarily a truthful witness.
[Kaye:] But that hasn't stopped attorneys from trying. Sometimes the person testifying helps. After sentencing one of the killers to death, several jurors from a horrific triple murder case in Cheshire, Connecticut said they were amazed by the strength of the victim's husband and father in court.
[Unidentified Female:] Seeing him there, seeing his courage and seeing his strength after everything he's been through, that transferred to us.
[Kaye:] But, it can be risky and backfire. After Michael Jackson was acquitted of child molestation charges, jurors said they had a hard time believing the accuser's own mother.
[Unidentified Male:] We just couldn't abide the story of the mother for one. We just thought that shw as not a credible person.
[Kaye:] In George Zimmerman's case, both sides see it as a risk worth taking. Two members of his family testified and three from Trayvon Martin's.
[Tracy Martin, Trayvon Martin's Father:] As I said over and over, that was my best friend in life and to have him gone is a tragedy.
[Jorge Meza, George Zimmerman's Uncle:] I was on the computer and that voice just came and hit me. It hit me in a way I heard that but I felt it inside my heart that is George.
[Nejame:] They've got to believe somebody and a lot of it goes down to credibility.
[Kaye:] And with a case where the facts remain so elusive, credibility may ultimately be the key. Randi Kaye, CNN New York.
[Malveaux:] Anybody that has done home renovations will tell you it's a long process but Christine Romans, she's got some basic steps that will help make it all worth it.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] As tensions ratchet up in the Ukraine, the U.S. and Russia are now deploying a tactic they had not yet attempted, actually talking to each other face-to-face. I'm Jake Tapper. This is THE LEAD. The world lead, America's top diplomat, John Kerry, meeting with his Russian counterpart for the first time face-to-face since Russian boots hit the ground in Ukrainian territory. One way or another, this could be a turning point in the international standoff over Ukraine. The politics lead. Stop me now if this sounds familiar. The White House condemns the Russians after they invade a sovereign nation. But I'm not talking about Ukraine. I'm talking about the Russians invading the country of Georgia back in 2008. Is President Obama's response really all that different from George W. Bush's back then? How about the response of the pundits? Also in politics, argue about a deeply divisive issue long enough and sooner or later someone brings up the Nazis. It's Godwin's Law. Hillary Clinton wading into the Ukraine crisis by comparing Putin to Adolf Hitler. Did she go too far? Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Jake Tapper. Welcome to THE LEAD. We're going to begin with the world lead, of course. For days now, every time that red phone rang, the Russians have seemingly been checking their caller I.D. and saying it's the Americans again, let it go to voice-mail, literally, lots of unreturned phone calls between U.S. and Russian dips. But that all changed a short time ago, with the highest-level diplomatic talks we have witnessed yet since this crisis in Ukraine began, Secretary of State John Kerry meeting with his counterpart, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, in Paris this afternoon. From the way Kerry later described it, the main weapon the U.S. is using against the Russians is shame.
[John Kerry, U.s. Secretary Of State:] Russia's violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity has actually united the world in support of the Ukrainian people. Russia can now choose to de-escalate this situation. And we are committed to working with Russia, together with our friends and allies, in an effort to provide a way for this entire situation to find a road to de-escalation.
[Tapper:] Kerry said that all sides have agreed that a dialogue is the best way to move forward. The U.S. wants to get Russia to the table to talk with Ukraine's interim government, which Russia doesn't recognize. But that did not happen today. Russia maintains that Ukraine's ousted president is the country's true leader. Before meeting with Kerry, Foreign Minister Lavrov repeated the assertion that Russian President Vladimir Putin made yesterday, that the troops in Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula are not actually Russians at all, but instead members of local self-defense groups. That came as a surprise to many people with eyes andor ears, because they sure look like Russian troops firing warning shots at hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers attempting to reenter an air base on Crimea that the Russians have seized. So far, this is the only known instance of shots fired between the two groups, but there are forces such as these in the streets of Crimea's regional capital patrolling with no identification. Today, the administration said that the U.S. cannot yet prove that these forces are Russian.
[Chuck Hagel, U.s. Defense Secretary:] It's pretty clear that they're Russian troops.
[Sen. Roger Wicker , Mississippi:] I think it's clear, but, General Dempsey, what evidence do we have?
[Gen. Martin Dempsey, Joint Chiefs Of Staff Chairman:] We don't have any evidence as yet. I think evidence could likely become available over time.
[Tapper:] Just as an FYI to General Dempsey and Secretary Hagel, several of those troops have told reporters that they are Russian. Meanwhile, NATO is cutting back its ties with Russia, suspending its first joint mission to escort a U.S. ship as part of efforts to disarm Syria. And NATO says you can forget about any more meetings with the Russians, at least for now. The crucial meeting between Kerry and Lavrov took place around the same time the Robert Serry, U.N. envoy to Ukraine, was forced to end his mission in Crimea at gunpoint. Armed men threatened him, according to the U.N., forced him to hole up in a coffee shop. A reporter from ITV was in that shop and tweeted out this photograph shortly before police escorted Serry to the airport. Let's get to our own Anna Coren, standing by live in Crimea. Anna, give us more details about what happened with this envoy.
[Anna Coren, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Jake, we don't know exactly what triggered this confrontation, but we understand that Robert Serry's car was surrounded by at least 15 men, some of them armed. They told him he had to go straight to the airport. He refused. These local militia then tried to get into his car. He managed to somehow get out. He fled into a coffee shop. He was there with an ITV reporter, I should say, James Mates, who was tweeting what was going on. These men continued to surround the building. After some time, he decided, as to alleviate pressure, to leave the situation, basically to quit his post as U.N. special envoy to Ukraine and depart the country. So he is en route to Istanbul as we speak. He believes that this will help de-escalate the situation. But, Jake, it just goes to show how tense the situation is and how unpredictable the situation is here in Crimea.
[Tapper:] Anna Coren, thank you so much. Please stay safe. The House Foreign Affairs Committee is holding a hearing tomorrow on Ukraine and could vote soon after a resolution for sanctions against Russia, although that resolution is more a symbolic gesture. It's nonbinding. The entire House could also vote on the $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine that Secretary of State John Kerry announced earlier this week. Joining me now to discuss this all is a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the House, Republican Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida. Congresswoman, good to see you.
[Rep. Ileana Ros-lehtinen , Florida:] Thank you, Jake.
[Tapper:] We heard from Secretary of State John Kerry. He said he'd rather be in the position they're in today than where they were yesterday. Are you seeing progress in some sort of resolution? Because I have to admit it's escaping me.
[Ros-lehtinen:] Well, it depends on what your definition of progress is, because if we're going to just talk the talk and not walk the walk, then that's not progress at all. We have got to dial back the rhetoric, unless this administration is really going to follow through on its bluster. One of the things that I think that we should do, we must do is add names to the Magnitsky list. This is a bill that we passed and became law last year named after one of the anti-corruption activists who was beaten to death in a Russian jail for exposing corruption. And it names and shames those human rights violators in Russia. It freezes their assets, and it will fine any companies that do business with human rights violators. We can adapt this to the situation that Russia is taking in Ukraine, especially in Crimea, to say that these armed thugs are not part of the Russian army. It doesn't even pass the smile test. Local defense forces, they are part of the Russian army. If they're unified with violators, which it looks like they are, they should be placed on this Magnitsky list. We should be talking about possibly freezing their assets, blocking their property, making sure that they can't enter the United States. There's a lot more that we can do before we talk about aggressive action or any military action.
[Tapper:] Right. Congresswoman, Russia today threatened to seize the assets of any company belonging to from a country that is imposing sanctions on them. Are you at all concerned that the retaliatory efforts by Russia would hurt businesses in the U.S., businesses in Europe?
[Ros-lehtinen:] Well, the truth is that these U.S. businesses are not the ones that are human rights violators. What we would be doing in the United States is hurting the human rights violators and those who do business with them. I think that kind of aggressive act by Putin against U.S. businesses that are not related to this crisis in Ukraine, that is purely a punitive action not related to the situation at hand. So I think that Putin is putting us to the test. Are we going to back up our words with actions or is this going to be a situation like Syria where the president said, this is a red line, the use of chemical arms will weapons will not be tolerated, we will do limited airstrikes and then he pulled back on that? What are we doing with Russia? Are we threatening with a lot of action that then we won't fulfill? And we have now Putin taking us up on our words and saying, well, we will declare these prohibitions on U.S. businesses. But that is not what the U.S. is saying. We're talking about true human rights violators. He's talking about just retaliating against U.S. businesses that have nothing to do with Ukraine.
[Tapper:] Congresswoman, in retrospect, was it a mistake for the U.S. to have not done more after Russia invaded Georgia in 2008? As you know, there was a lot of talk, but, ultimately, Russia stayed in those two breakaway republics. Ultimately, Russia stayed and kept that territory. In retrospect, was it a mistake for the U.S. to have basically gone back to the situation as it was before the invasion?
[Ros-lehtinen:] I think, standing now where we are and looking back on that situation, yes, we should have done more, just like we had situations in Iran when the dissidents were standing up and we turned the other way, just like in Syria when the opposition was clear that they were the good guys, that we should have helped out more. But it's hindsight. At the moment, you don't know when you're pushing too hard and when you're escalating, rather than toning down the rhetoric and trying to get a diplomatic accord. But Putin has really put us to the test. Let's see what this administration is willing to do. But I hope that we don't talk a big game and then just play small ball.
[Tapper:] Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, thank you so much.
[Ros-lehtinen:] Thank you, Jake.
[Tapper:] We appreciate it. Coming up on
[The Lead:] She made headlines last night when she compared Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler. So, what is Hillary Clinton saying today? Well, she will speaking live now, and we will have that next. Plus, as John Kerry tries to convince allies in Europe to go along with the plan for sanctions, does the U.S. risk isolating itself? I will ask the State Department spokeswoman coming up.

[Cooper:] And welcome back. We have some breaking news now, just a moments ago we got a special video statement on Ferguson from the Missouri Governor Jay Nixon. He urged calm, acknowledge that it has not always been easy to strike a balance between law and order and people's first amendment right to protest, saying that Missourians would not be defeated by bricks and guns and Molotov cocktails. He also promised justice in the killing of Michael Brown. Listen.
[Jay Nixon, Missouri Governor:] A vigorous prosecution must now been pursued. The democratic re-elected Saint Louis county prosecutor and the attorney general of the United States each have a job to do. Their obligation to achieve justice in the shooting death of Michael Brown must be carried out thoroughly, promptly and correctly and I call upon them to meet those expectations.
[Cooper:] That is Governor Nixon tonight. Just about 8:15 local time here right now, 8:19 things calm so far. Not very different in last night, fewer people probably here than last night which naturally puts people on edge. Thing change, so it's suddenly last night, hopefully it will it'll be different tonight. Whether you blame police tactics or outside agitators, local rumors, gets a random chance any or all of it can play a role, there are no rules. There is however one common denominator in every situation like this. Every protest, every clash, people inside the community have the most at stake. The most to lose and the moves to fear. Jason Carroll reports tonight.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Most of those who have been watching the unrest and fold in Ferguson have been doing it from a safe distance but people like Deborah Jones are saying it up close. Each day, she fears what the night will bring.
[Deborah Jones, Ferguson Resident:] It's restless. You know, you can't sleep at night. You know, you go to work tired because the honking at the horn, they're yelling, the tear gas. And everybody is running over this way, you know, for safety.
[Carroll:] Jones was in the neighborhood which borders West Florissant Avenue here in Ferguson, a street which is essentially ground zero for the protest. Her home is about a block from where a demonstrators and police continue to clash.
[Jones:] We're right in the middle, you know, and people, you know, they just need to, you know, cease this, just be seal about it because it's not going to solve anything with all of this.
[Chante Simmons, Ferguson Resident:] Every night we smell teargas.
[Caroll:] Her neighbor Chante Simmons just had to miss work because of curfews and he sent her children away because of the violence, she says, she feels trapped. How long do you think you can continue to live like this?
[Simmons:] I hope they'll get everything resolve soon. You can't they need to bring the person a justice so these people can start to heal. So this can calm down and quite now because these neighborhood is really suffering.
[Caroll:] It's not just people in their homes feeling trapped. Businesses along West Florissant are boarded up. William Whittaker is a local community activist who has trying to keep the peace during that day and at night.
[William Whittaker, Community Activist:] My step daughter lives right behind the [inaudible] there and they can't even get to the grocery store. That's how serious it is right now. And like I said to Mandy, it wasn't going to get any better it just keeps getting worst.
[Caroll:] And for now, no end in sight.
[Jones:] It's like a prison here. We're in the war zone. You know, it's so sad. What are we going to do?
[Cooper:] Jason Carroll joins me now. I mean schools are shutdown here regular life is there is no regular life in this small several block radius.
[Carroll:] It's pretty much come to a stand still and, you know, I'm talking to the people here who are actually just on the road from where we're standing right now. You know, these people really feel conflicted. They feel for a support politically, a lot of the people that you see standing behind you, within the flip side of that they're tired.
[Cooper:] Yeah.
[Carroll:] You know, they go to this every single night. The tear gas, the shouting, the yelling, how do you explain that to your children? I think what's happening here in this community, you have a lot of people who are just tired.
[Cooper:] Also I think tired of people from other parts of Saint Louis perhaps or even out of state coming here. There's a lot of frustration about as you said, local business is being destroy.
[Carroll:] And that was one of the points that they brought up as well. They know that there's a lot of people they see them. There are some of their other neighbors who've been out here on the streets but they've run across some of these people coming from the outside as well. It's extremely frustrating to them and here is the dynamic, they're leading to police to do something about it but it's the very same police force instance some cases that they haven't trusted for years.
[Cooper:] Sure. Jason Carroll, appreciated. Thanks. I just want to share you some of the pictures that we have been saying. We saw a two tactical vehicles moving down, passed just a short time ago and actually started to draw a people a little bit further down to about a block or so from where we ware now. And the crowds are somewhat larger than they were probably an hour or so ago. More people have come. There's a lot of people kind of milling around, standing around here. I want to bring in two community leaders who are both part of the protest and part of the efforts just trying to keep it peaceful, Bishop Zacheriah Davis of the Greater Harvest Church and Pastor Robert White of the Peace of Mind Church of Happiness. It's great name of the church by the way.
[Robert White, Reverent, Peace Of Mind Church Of Happiness:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] First of all, what are your hopes for tonight? Do you think it's going to be peaceful tonight?
[White:] Well, I hope is that it would be peaceful just like every night that it is. Each night we come out here and we give a feel for the crowd and I can tell you the crowds are little more common that it's been most night, so hopefully we can have some of the peace that we [inaudible].
[Cooper:] Seems like a little smaller crowd tonight.
[White:] Yeah, little smaller crowd, of course its 95 degrees out here and we haven't had too much heat out here, so maybe that's, you know, effect the [inaudible] as well.
[Cooper:] You guy have been out here, standing at, sometimes in between police and protesters, trying to keep it peaceful. How difficult is that?
[Zacheriah Davis, Bishop, Greater Harvest Church:] They're difficult because the emotions are running high. There's a lot of anguish. People are angry about the situation and literally, you know, we have to stand in between and often times to trying to get the crowd to calm down and then it doesn't help when they're agitators, you know, in the crowd, you know.
[Cooper:] You've seen that. You've seen agitators...
[Davis:] OK [inaudible].
[Cooper:] ...no doubt about it.
[Davis:] Part of it last night, absolutely. And it happen the ways down and...
[Cooper:] What would you do in the case like that? How do you deal with that? You try to single them out and talk to them or...
[Davis:] We do trying to single them out from time to time and speak with them and say, "Hey, just keep cool. Calm down." Last night it just went, you know, a little bit further than what we though and even the police came up to us and say, "You know, hey we don't want a gas." But, you know, it's getting worst and so we did try to pull certain individuals out that we saw causing issue but it just became a little bit more than what we could dealt with.
[White:] And then we're listening to the protesters. There's some folks who identified folks who've been a part of other rights and now, they see them out here.
[Cooper:] Right.
[White:] And they're saying, "Hey this guy was out in Cincinnati and now he's out here."
[Cooper:] Right. [inaudible] who was doing that. Yeah, French who was doing that, he was saying just that he's has identified some folks who was from out of town.
[White:] Right. And so that makes our job difficult because our community knows us.
[Cooper:] Sure.
[White:] So it's easy for us to talk to our constituent and then make friendship with the police officer to try to serve as a barrier between the two, but when you're from out of town and your sole purposes clash action law suits, just so purposes is to push an agenda for revolutionary party, things like that, that makes this difficult. And to be honest with your Anderson we want those folks out of our neighborhoods.
[Cooper:] What do you make of the police response? I mean, obviously they got to deal with people if people are shooting at them but at the same time, a lot of people I've talked just say some of their responses has been an antagonistic and made it worst.
[Davis:] From time to time it has. I think they have done pretty descent job to try to be as calm and keep restraint but they do have a job to do, you know, keep law at peace in order. But yeah, there have been certain pockets, you know, policemen that have been aggressive and, you know. So, yeah.
[Cooper:] That aggressiveness has caused some issues for people here.
[White:] And so what you have is you have a meeting point of aggressive police behavior, agitates from out of towners, a city that's being divided since its inception, people who have been push to brink. And so all those things have come together at this point.
[Cooper:] And real legitimate concerns.
[White:] Very legitimate concerns. There is a police brutality, unfairness, imbalance and poverty, things with that nature. So you have all of that coming in this little small town that's really this is not a Ferguson issues or single issue, as a national issue.
[Cooper:] Yeah.
[White:] And we're hearing about it everyday.
[Cooper:] Pastor, I appreciate you being with us. Thanks and Bishop, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Coming up, can there be an impartial investigation in the killing of Michael Brown. A lot of people here have real questions about that. Some protesters and at least one state center already calling for the prosecutors to recuse himself. We'll tell you why, next.

[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] Shea, now an author and construction worker, spent 12 years in prison rather than rat out Bulger.
[John Shea, Construction Worker & Author:] I idolized Whitey. I idolized him. And they wanted Whitey through me when I got indicted. I wouldn't give him up. They could have threatened me with the electric chair and I wouldn't give him up ever.
[Feyerick:] In late 1994, Bulger got one of his final tips from his FBI pal that he was about to be arrested and indicted. He planned ahead and took off ultimately with girlfriend, Katherine Grigg. After a 16-year manhunt, the FBI finally found the couple living in Santa Monica with dozens of guns and more than $800,000 in cash stuffed in the walls of his apartment.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] Wow. Debra Feyerick is joining us from Boston. Do we think he will take the stand?
[Feyerick:] Well, Suzanne, his lawyer has suggested there is a possibility he will take the stand. And what is so interesting is you see him looking at surveillance videos of himself from 30 years ago, and he is meeting with known gangsters, and some of them that will testify against him at this trial. This is a man that spent many years living and laying low, and now he's completely exposed in that courtroom. He doesn't look behind him, barely acknowledges the witnesses. The only time I saw him turn his head was when prosecutors introduced certain firearms, weapons they say are connected to him, specifically it was a MAG 10 pistol with a silencer, a very large firearm Suzanne?
[Malveaux:] Deborah Feyerick, following that trial. Thank you very much, Deborah. A suspect in a double murder back in 2006 will now make a startling revelation. Authorities say Jose Martinez claims that he has killed dozens of people. Police in Marion County, Florida, say that he might be responsible for 30 murders across the United States. Alina Machado Cho is here with more. First, tell us about this double murder they won in court.
[Alina Machado Cnn Correspondent:] That case happened in Marion County, Florida, back in 2006, more than six years ago. Earlier, this year, authorities in Florida received the results of DNA tests conducted on a cigarette butt that was found at the crime scene, and it was through those results that they found out about Jose Martinez. They also discovered he was wanted in Alabama for an unrelated homicide. Now, Martinez was arrested in Arizona and extradited to Alabama where Florida detectives caught up with him. They say he confessed to the 2006 murders of Havilla Wetta and Gustavo Revas, offering details they believe only the killer would have known Suzanne?
[Malveaux:] Police are saying now he says he is responsible for the murders of 30 people. How did that happen?
[Machado:] The Marion County sheriff's office says, so far, they have been able to confirm at least 11 murder victims that Martinez allegedly confessed to killing. They are now working with other law enforcement agencies around the country to try to identify all potential victims. They say Martinez told them he was just 16 years old when he committed his first killing.
[Malveaux:] Unbelievable. That is quite a story there. Just made that confession.
[Machado:] That's what it seems like. Sounds like he wanted to come clean. At least that's what the Florida detective that interviewed him in Alabama told us.
[Malveaux:] A serial killer.
[Machado:] That's what it sounds like.
[Malveaux:] Alina, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Watch as Hillary Clinton, Chelsea, Bill Clinton coming up, how the former secretary of state is bursting back in the political arena with her family in tow. There she is. And house minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, well, she has gone off on a conservative reporter over the topics one of them being abortion. You can hear what she said next.

[Blitzer:] President Obama is laying out his vision for U.S. foreign policy over the next two and a half years, detailing the blueprint earlier today during the commencement exercises at the West Point Military Academy. The president says, while the U.S. military will always be the backbone of America's leadership, it cannot be the primary component. And he outlined his plans for addressing several critical hot spots around the world, including Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine. Joining us once again from Phoenix, one of the president's more vocal critics on foreign policy, Senator John McCain, the Republican Senator from Arizona. You heard the president outline his vision. You want to give us your immediate reaction to what you heard, Senator?
[Mccain:] First of all, I resent, deeply, the criticism that the president lodges at those of us who are, I believe, deeply concerned and involved for years in national security, saying that there's really only two choices, no intervention whatsoever or total commitment of American troops. No one I know of wants to commit American troops anywhere right now. But we do believe that the president should have learned the lesson from Iraq, when we pulled out without leaving a residual force. By the way, as we have after other wars in other places. And of course, now, the black flags of al Qaeda fly over Fallujah. The director of National Intelligence has said SyriaIraq border area now a base for al Qaeda who will be planning attacks on the United States of America. It's a total failure. The place is in chaos. He's making the same mistake in Afghanistan, setting the date for total withdrawal, sending a message to the Taliban, all you got to do is wait.
[Blitzer:] Well, let me interrupt for a second, Senator. Because Secretary John Kerry was on CNN earlier today on "New Day" and he responded to that criticism that you and Lindsey Graham, Kelly Ayotte, and others, have said by having this deadline two years, all U.S. troops would be effectively out, that would be a mistake to just keep it open-ended. Listen to Secretary Kerry.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] It is only by setting dates that we have been able to meet milestones. If you left it open-ended, if you said to the Afghans, well, we'll be here as long as it takes, you can absolutely bet your bottom dollar, and it probably will be the bottom dollar of the U.S., that they'll take just as long as they want to. So what the president is doing is appropriately empowering the Afghans, giving them the opportunity to take control of their future, and that's the best way for them to step up and do so.
[Blitzer:] So he's defending the deadline. What's your reaction?
[Mccain:] Well, first of all, obviously, Secretary Kerry must be ignoring the chaos that has now ensued in Iraq as we set time for complete withdraw. Second of all, I think it's rather insulting to the Afghans to think that they would not want to be able to defend themselves. That's not the Afghans that I know. And third of all, the president spoke at West Point today. I think a first year cadet at West Point will tell you, when you're in a conflict, you don't tell the enemy exactly when you are leaving. That doesn't mean I think we have to continue fighting. We don't. We can succeed and have a residual force there, the same which we had Germany, Japan, Korea, after those conflicts. And which we didn't do in Iraq and we now see Iraq becoming a first becoming chaos, but also a base for as the director of National Intelligence has said, for attacks on the United States of America. Look, the United States is not weak. The United States is not credible. We're not reliable. When the president of the United States told Lindsey Graham in the Oval Office he was going to attack Syria, when he told the world they had crossed a red line, the president had set and then didn't do it, it reverberated throughout the entire world. We are unreliable. And all of our enemies believe that. And so I believe that Afghanistan possibly could revert to the situation that it did after we helped them drive the Russians out.
[Blitzer:] But I don't know if you heard the interview, but Secretary Kerry made the point as far as that red line, drawing that red line in Syria, the U.S. did follow up, and working together with the United Nations, working together with the Russians, they have effectively destroyed, he says, 92 percent of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile already. And 8 percent is being controlled, for all practical purposes, they're just finding a way to get rid of it. Hasn't that objective, the narrow objective of destroying Syria's chemical weapons, been achieved?
[Mccain:] Meanwhile, the horrible barrel bombs are being dropped, slaughtering innocent people. Meanwhile, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is there. Meanwhile, the Russians have increased their supplies of weapons to Bashar Assad and the slaughter, mindless. 160,000 people dead, millions of refugees. And we have sat by and watched it happen, while we have the chemical weapons, to some degree, removed. But there are allegations of chlorine attacks, which are chemical attacks, which are not covered by this so-called agreement. It is I can't tell you how it breaks my heart to see us continue to sit by and watch the Syrian people slaughtered not just by Bashar Assad, who was going to lose before Hezbollah came in and the Iranians stepped up their help and the Russians stepped up their help. This has turned into a regional conflict and a tragedy of monumental proportions, for which we will pay a heavy price for decades to come.
[Blitzer:] There's a huge and growing al Qaeda presence in Syria right now, there's no doubt about that. U.S. intelligence officials have said that is among the top threats potentially, as far as terrorism is concerned, facing the United States. Unfortunately, Senator, we have to leave it right there. But as usual, thanks for joining us.
[Mccain:] Thanks, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] She gave voice to a generation and shined a light on injustice. The author and the poet, Maya Angelou, has died at her home in North Carolina. Angelou led a remarkable life. She spoke six languages. She was a single, teen mother. Went on to become a singer, a dancer and a civil rights activist. Here, Maya Angelou reads the poem she wrote for Bill Clinton's 1993 inaugural.
[Maya Angelou, Poet & Artist:] Lift up your hearts. Each new hour holdings new chances for new beginnings. Do not be wedded forever to fear, yoked eternally to brutishness. The horizon leans forward, offering you space to place new steps of change. Here, on the pulse of this fine day, you may have the courage to look up and out, and upon me, the rock, the river, the tree, your country.
[Blitzer:] Oprah Winfrey has just released this statement. Let me read it to you. "I have been blessed to have Maya Angelou as my mentor, mother, sister and friend since my 20s. She was there for me always, guiding me through some of the most important years of my life. The world knows her as a poet. But at the heart of her, she was a teacher. "When you learn, you teach. When you get, you give," is one of my best lessons from her." Maya Angelou was 86 years old.

[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] And I also indicated to Ben, he could pull off those shirts and I can't.
[Obama:] So these are the recipients of the 2013 Presidential Medal of Freedom. These are the men and women who, in their extraordianry lives, remind us all of the beauty of the human spirit and the values that define us as Americans, the potential that lives inside all of us. I could not be more happy and more honored to participate in this ceremony here today. With that, what I would like to do is invite our honorees to just sit there, and let all of us stand and give you a big round of applause. Hey. Hey. I guess we should actually give them the medals, though.
[Unidentified Male:] Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients. Ernie Banks. With an unmatched enthusiasm for America's past time, Ernie Banks loved, sprinted and smiled his way into the record books. Known to fans as Mr. Cub, he played an extraordinary 19 seasons with the Chicago Cubs during which he was named to 11 all-star teams, hit over 500 home runs and won back-to-back most-valuable player honors. He was elected to the hall of fame in 1977 and will forever be known as one of the finest power hitters and the most dynamic players of all-time.
[Obama:] That looks pretty good.
[Unidentified Male:] Benjamin Bradlee. A titan of journalism. Benjamin Bradlee is one of the most respected newsmen of his generation. After serving our nation in World War II, Ben Bradlee went on to defend liberty here at home after. Testing the limits of a free press during his tenure as executive editor of "The Washington Post," he oversaw coverage of the Watergate scandal and successfully challenged the federal government over the right to publish the Pentagon Papers. His passion for accuracy and unyielding pursuit of truth continued to set the standard for journalism.
[Applause Unidentified Male:] The honorable William J. Clinton.
[Unidentified Male:] Among the finest public servants of our time, President William J. Clinton argued cases for the people of Arkansas, served his state in the governor's mansion and guided our nation into a new century. As the 42nd president of the United States, Bill Clinton oversaw an era of change and change, prosperity and progress. His work after leaving public office continues to reflect his passionate unending commitment to improving the lives of people around the world. In responding to needs both at home and abroad and as founder of Clinton foundation, he has shown that through creative cooperation among men and women of good will, we can solve even the most intractable problems. Irene Inouye accepting on behalf of her husband, the Honorable Daniel K. Inouye. A true patriot and dedicated public servant, Daniel K. Inouye understood the power of leaders when united in common purpose to protect and promote the tenants we cherish as Americans. As a member of the revered 442nd Regiment Combat Team, Daniel Inouye helped free Europe from the grasp of tyranny during World War II. Representing the people of Hawaii, from the moment the islands joined the union, he never lost sight of the ideals that bind us across the 50 states. Senator's Inouye's reason and resolve help make our country what it is today. And for that, we honor him. Dr. Daniel Kahneman. Daniel Kahneman's groundbreaking work earned him a Nobel Prize in economic sciences for his research in developing prospect theory. After escaping from Nazi-occupied France as a young boy and later joining the Israel Defense Forces, Dr. Kahneman grew interested in understanding the origins of people's beliefs. Combining psychology and economic analysis and working alongside Dr. Vemis Verseki, Dr. Kahneman used simple experiments to demonstrate how people make decisions under uncertain circumstances. And he forever changed the way we view human judgment. The Honorable Richard G. Lugar. Representing the state of Indiana for over three decades in the United States Senate, Richard G. Lugar put country above party and self to forge bipartisan consensus. Throughout his time in the Senate, he offered effective solutions to our national and international problems, advocating for the control of nuclear arms and other weapons of mass destruction. Working with Senator Sam Nunn, Richard Lugar established the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, one of our country's most successful national security programs, helping to sustain American leadership and engage nations in collaboration after decades of confrontation. He remains a strong voice on foreign policy issues and his informed perspective will have broad influence for years to come. Loretta Lynn. Born a coal miner's daughter, Loretta Lynn has followed a bold path to become a legend in country music, a singer, songwriter and author. She has written dozens of chart-topping songs, released scores of albums and won numerous accolades. Breaking barriers in country music and entertainment, she opened doors for women not only by winning tremendous achievements, but also by raising issues few dared to discuss. Fearlessly telling her own stories with candor and humor, Loretta Lynn has brought a strong female voice to mainstream music, captured the emotions of men and women alike, and revealed the common truth about life as it is lived. Dr. Mario Molina. With curiosity and creativity that inspired Mario Molina to convert his family's bathroom into a laboratory as a child Tam O'Shawnesy accepting on behalf of her life partner, Dr. Sally K. Ride. 30 years ago, Dr. Sally K. Ride soared into space as the youngest American and first woman to wear the stars and stripes above earth's atmosphere. As an astronaut, she sought to keep American at the forefront of space exploration. As a role model, she fought tirelessly to inspire young people, especially girls, to become scientifically literate and pursue careers in science, technology, engineering and math. At the end of her life, she became an inspiration for those battling pancreatic cancer and for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender community. The tail of a quiet hero, Sally Ride's story demonstrates that the sky is no limit for those who dream of reaching for the stars. Walter Neagle, accepting on behalf of his partner, Bayard Rustin. Bayard Rustin was a giant in the American civil rights movement. Openly gay at a time when many had to hide who they loved, his unwavering belief that we are all equal members of a single human family took him from his first Freedom Ride to the lesbian, gay, by sexual and transgender rights movement. Thanks to his unparalleled skills as an organizer, progress that once seemed impossible appears in retrospect to have been inevitable. 50 years after the march on Washington he organized, America honors Bayard Rustin as one of its greatest architects for social change and a fearless advocate for its most vulnerable citizens. Arturo Sandoval. Arturo Sandoval is one of the world's finest jazz musicians. Born into poverty in Cuba, and held back by his government, he risked everything to share his gifts with the world, eventually defecting with help from Dizzy Gillespie, his mentor and friend. In the decades since, this is astonishing trumpeter, pianist and composer has inspired audiences in every corner of the world and wakened a new generation of great performers. He remains one of the best ever to play. Lanaya Smith, accepting on behalf of her husband, Dean E. Smith. Dean E. Smith spent 36 seasons taking college basketball to new heights. As head coach at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, he led his team to 11 final fours, two national titles, and 879 victories, retiring at the winningest men's college basketball coach in history. Dean Smith brought the same commitment to supporting his players off the court. He helped more than 96 percent of his lettermen graduate. And in an era of deep division, he taught players to overcome bigotry with courage and compassion. He will forever stand as one of the greatest coaches in college basketball history. Gloria Steinem. A trailblazing writer and feminist organizer, Gloria Steinem has been at the forefront of the fight for equality and social justice for more than four decades. Instrumental to a broad range of initiatives and issues, from establishing "Ms" magazine and Take Our Daughters to Work Day and pushing for women's self- empowerment and an end to sex trafficking. She has promoted lasting political and social change in America and abroad. 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[Obama:] The rest of you, I understand the food here is pretty good.

[Harlow:] U.S. forces bombed Islamist militants in northern Iraq earlier today, part of an operation to help Kurdish fighters retake control of a critical location, the dam in Mosul. ISIS militants, who call themselves the Islamic State, took control of the dam earlier this month. U.S. officials warned the failure of the dam could result in significant flooding. Also controlling a lot of the energy there. I want to bring in Colonel Rick Francona about this. You're an expert. You know this region very well. Why is this dam in Mosul so important?
[Lt. Col. Rick Francona, Cnn Military Analyst:] For several reasons. It provides power to the region of the country. It also provides water. More importantly, control of it is very important. If that dam fails, it will cause a massive flood, meters of water rolling down the Tigris Valley. It is not that the militants will blow the dam. It is just that the dam is in bad shape. The Army Corps of Engineers called it the worst dam in the world. It requires constant maintenance. We're not sure this Islamists
[Harlow:] You can't maintain it when ISIS is there.
[Francona:] Exactly. We want to get the dam back into friendly hands so they can get technicians back in there.
[Harlow:] The U.S. airstrikes on ISIS targets, are they working?
[Francona:] Looks to be. And it looks like there has been a bit of a shift. I know the initial focus of the air campaign was to protect Erbil and provide support. We are seeing it expand to help the Kurds retake this dam. It looks like the air campaign is expanding and the strikes are working well. What strikes me is they are providing almost close air support for the Kurds, which will require, in my opinion, somebody on the ground. I hope we've got
[Harlow:] You think, what, U.S.?
[Francona:] Special Forces are special intelligence agency, someone down there. Airstrikes are much more effective when you have an American controlling American airstrikes.
[Harlow:] We have been told by the administration no boots on the ground.
[Francona:] Maybe the CIA has considered shoes on the ground. I don't know.
[Harlow:] Appreciate the expertise, Colonel. Thank you very much. Thank you all for being with us. I'm Poppy Harlow, in New York. I will be back at the top of the hour, 7:00 p.m. eastern, with more news. But next, don't miss "Smerconish" right after this break.

[Amara Walker:] As Syria loses more ground to ISIS, the government calls for an international effort to repel militants. Hackers target the Playstation Network and other gaming services and may have even caused the diversion of a flight. And an incredible escape: a boy in China is run over by an SUV, but walks away. We begin in Syria where the government has called for a coordinated international effort to defeat the advance of ISIS. The country's foreign minister says Syria is ready to work with other countries, including the U.S. Syrian government forces suffered a key loss to ISIS over the weekend, when militants took control of the al-Tabqa air base in the north. This footage from social media appears to show the aftermath of the fighting, though CNN cannot verify its authenticity. In Iraq, American warplanes hit more ISIS targets near the Mosul dam and Irbil over the weekend, bringing the total number of U.S. airstrikes to 96. Anna Coren is live in Irbil, Iraq with the very latest Anna.
[Anna Coren, Cnn International Correpsondent:] Yeah, Amara, I just want to bring you up to date first on a deadly bombing, suicide bombing, in Baghdad just a few hours ago. Police officials telling us that a Shiite mosque was targeted during noon prayers killing eight people, injuring dozens. Now it is thought that this could be payback for that deadly bombing of a Sunni mosque several days ago, which killed 70 worshippers. No one has claimed responsibility for today's attack, however it does really have the hallmarks of Sunni extremists, possibly ISIS militants if not ISIS sympathizers. But definitely, Amara, they are having to change their tactics on the battlefield, so we could well be seeing more suicide attacks, more car bombings in the coming week. The reason being is that ISIS is under pressure because of U.S. airstrikes. Let's take a look.
[Coren:] With lightning quick advances across much of Iraq, the marauding bloodthirsty militants with their black insignia appear to be an undefeatable force on a mission to terrorize the country. But when ISIS suddenly turned its attention towards Kurdistan, northern Iraq it underestimated the opposition. From the skies, the United States pounded enemy positions, helping Kurdish and Iraqi forces on the ground to drive back the Islamic extremists. Recapturing Mosul dam, a turning point. According to senior Kurdish official, ISIS is now on the back foot.
[Marsour Barzani, Kurdistan Regional Secuirty Council:] They have changed their tactics for sure. Now they are not moving in long convoys, they're trying to avoid airstrikes by using civilian vehicles.
[Coren:] While they may control one-third of Iraq, ISIS is overstretched, fighting on multiple fronts in dozens of towns and cities, calling in reinforcements from areas they already control to help in battle. [on camera]: While ISIS propaganda would have us believe they're a conquering force expanding their so-called caliphate, senior officials here say that is not the case. From the militants that they have captured and interrogated, they admit morale has taken a direct hit ever since U.S. airstrikes began more than two weeks ago. [voice-over]: And for that reason, the Kurds are calling for an ongoing U.S. air campaign, hinting at the possibility of striking ISIS targets in Syria, its safe haven.
[Barzani:] Airstrikes, expanding airstrikes, and authorizing them to target the leadership of ISIS, or to expand the geographical areas of the airstrikes is going to also be very effective.
[Coren:] But no one here is pretending this war will be over in a couple of months. ISIS, now thought to have a force of at least 40,000 fighters across Syria and Iraq, is in for the long haul.
[Barzani:] Mosul to them is very important, so they will probably fight to death to keep Mosul. And there are some key areas that are very important to them. That doesn't mean that they have given up attacking new areas.
[Coren:] A harsh reality, but one these fighters say they are prepared for. Now Amara, whilst they might be hurting here in Iraq, they're certainly making gains in Syria overnight claiming Tabqa military base, which of course is the last stronghold for the Assad regime in the northern Syrian province of Raqqa, which of course is the headquarters, if you like, for ISIS in Syria of a bloody battle, we understand, that soldiers from the Syrian army were massacred and beheaded. ISIS, obviously, parading their achievements on the battlefield. But certainly this a massive blow for the Assad regime, losing control of that province now entirely.
[Walker:] Yeah, clearly, as you say, it will be a complex and lengthy battle against ISIS. Anna Coren with the latest details there. Anna, thank you. Well, another extremist group in Syria, the al Nusra Front, has released an American journalist it held hostage for nearly two years. Peter Theo Curtis was handed over to UN peacekeepers in the Israeli controlled Golan Heights on Sunday. Nick Paton Walsh has the details.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] After a week of horror, finally some good news, an American held hostage in Syria by Islamist rebels for nearly two years is free. The 45-year-old peter Theo Curtis, a freelance author and journalist released Sunday after being held by a Syrian rebel group with ties to al Qaeda. His family thanking the government of the U.S. and Qatar for their efforts. While the U.S. is has denied any involvement and details about his release remain unclear. Curtis was handed over to United Nations peacekeepers in the Golan Height then released him to U.S. government officials. These videos show Curtis during his last few months in captivity. In this video a rebel points a gun at his head while Curtis speaks rapidly as if under duress. Curtis was captured near the Syrian-Turkey border in October 2012. And held in Aleppo with American journalist, Matthew Schener, the two locked up for months before planning their escape. Schener breaking free through a window with Curtis' help. Curtis however got stuck trying to escape.
[Matthew Schner, Freelance Photojournalist Kidnapped In Syria:] I'm pulling him and pulling him as hard as I could. We weren't making any headway and we were making too much noise. The windows were open and the lights were above me and the sun was coming up.
[Paton:] You must have known then you had to leave him?
[Schener:] Yes. One of the hardest things I have ever had to do. I'm not going to have closure until he is home.
[Walsh:] Curtis' release comes just five days after ISIS released a video of one of its militants beheading American journalist, James Foley. On Sunday his parents releasing a letter on Facebook that they say he composed on captivity. He talked about sharing one cell with 17 others and playing games made up of scraps they found. Foley had a fellow hostage memorize the letter dictating it to his family upon release. British officials close to identifying the ISIS militant responsible for the beheading. Experts say he speaks with a distinctly British accent. Investigators making headway using clues in the video to pinpoint the killer out of hundreds of British Muslims who joined
[Isis. Peter Westmacott, British Ambassador To The U.s:] We put a great deal of resource into identifying this person. I think we're not far away from that.
[Walsh:] Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, London.
[Walker:] And still to come here on News Stream, the violence in Gaza escalates. We will get the latest on the ground from our correspondent when we return. And take a look at this crazy incident caught on tape in China. We'll show you what happened to this lucky little boy. Also, if you were trying to play online with your Playstation and you were having trouble, you weren't alone. The details of the attack later on in the show.

[Monita Rajpal, Cnn Host:] A Chinese welcome for the president of Nigeria, a meeting from which President Goodluck Jonathan has secured more than a billion dollars in loans, a much needed injection of funds to build infrastructure in Africa's most populous country. But China is not the only powerhouse to befriend the resource-rich nation. As Africa's biggest oil producer, it is also the fifth largest exporter of oil to the United States.
[Rajpal:] But Nigeria's growth is coupled with crippling challenges: corruption, poverty and violent attacks by militant Islamists continue to plague the nation and it is up to this man to spearhead change. The former academic-turned-state governor made an unassuming but meteoric rise to inherit the presidency in 2010. Since then, the economy has strengthened. But in a country that is half Christian, half Muslim and home to more than 250 ethnic groups, some criticize President Jonathan's approach to the country's critical issues as "slow." This week on TALK ASIA, we sit down with President Goodluck Jonathan in Beijing to talk about Nigeria's relationship with China and his strategy in addressing the problems stunting his country's growth. Mr. President, welcome to
[Talk Asia. Goodluck Jonathan, President Of Nigeria:] Thank you.
[Rajpal:] You're here in China on what is being described as an historic state visit. You've got more than a dozen ministers, government ministers, traveling with you. Tell me what do you hope to walk away with? What do you hope to go back to Nigeria with after this visit?
[Jonathan:] This year is a critical battle for this world. The population of this world is an issue. Here, China with 1.35 billion human beings. And Africa's, India, very close to that. So as a part of this globe, that we believe Nigeria and, indeed, Africa have to pattern that with. And we believe that with these three day visits, that's why we're going back to Nigeria, first and foremost, will allow the robust relations with the government of China. That is government to government. I had interactions with the president; we had bilateral discussions. I met with the premier and of course the head of the parliament. And all these discussions quite fruitful, very, very fruitful.
[Rajpal:] China and Nigeria have had bilateral agreements, bilateral relationship I should say, for the past more than 40 years.
[Jonathan:] That is from the '70s.
[Rajpal:] 1970s. How do you think that relationship has changed now especially, say, in the last 10 years?
[Jonathan:] It has changed significantly because if you look at it, trade balances, it has increased significantly and I might forget figures but it's quite above $10 billion now. We are talking about 2009 it was below $2 billion. Now it's above $12 billion. So that can clearly tell you that within this past couple of years, the trade relations, the business relations opportunity between countries have improved. And I want them to go beyond that.
[Rajpal:] I understand that you want to you are depending on China to help in the development of infrastructure from everything from oil and gas refinery facilities, power supply, agriculture, communication, tourism these are a lot of facets
[Jonathan:] No, no, no, it's not us, we are dependent on China to do everything.
[Rajpal:] Sure.
[Jonathan:] See, Nigeria is a good field in so many areas. If we talk about oil, which is our mainstay economically, oil and gas, the Chinese companies are not taking up 5-10 percent of the activities there. They are mainly Western companies. So it's not as if everything is going to change now, experts Chinese company to come and develop our sector. That's not that's not quite true. The power sector, most of the big players U.S. and others are involved in our power sector. Yes, we also expect Chinese because we are discussing with Chinese for two hydropower projects. So these are areas of cooperation, but it will be completely wrong to say that we're expecting China to invest in Nigeria and produce from toothpick to aircraft. No, that is completely wrong.
[Rajpal:] Are there any concerns with dealing with China?
[Jonathan:] But we expect business move from all over the globe. Just as have here in China. I'm not concerned about dealing with any country, any country. And because we expect that anybody who is coming to do business in Nigeria, you will do your business based on our local laws.
[Rajpal:] The notable economist, Jeffrey Sachs, has said that Nigeria aims to turn the BRICS countries into the BRINCS countries and that Nigeria will be one of the leading economies by 2020. That's about 6 and a half years.
[Jonathan:] 2025.
[Rajpal:] Is that is that possible?
[Jonathan:] The prediction was that in 2025. But I know that when Obasanjo was the president then, and when the issue of 2025 was mentioned, that President Obasanjo said, no, I want to move fast. I think we can make it 2020. But Nigeria has a lot of potentials.
[Rajpal:] How do you maximize that potential though? What are the roadblocks to those potentials today?
[Jonathan:] Of course, the one of the major roadblocks we have is issue of power. Presently in Nigeria, our power generation is very small. And that's one of the areas the government showing so much interest. Luckily for us, we have gas. So the medium to large-scale companies get the gas and generate own power. So in Nigeria you have a lot of captive power. Power is being generated by companies, sometimes they use only about 50 percent and they cannot even distribute the rest. They are captive within their premises. So that is why big industries in Nigeria have no problems with power because it's cheaper for them to get the gas and generate their own power. What the micro analyst business more like medium skill industries. They suppose not to invest in power generation. It's simpler just to link up with the national grids and go on with their business. And that is lacking, because what we are generating and transmitting is small. That's one of the regions we are engaged in discussion with the Chinese government, because of these two major dams I want to build. And we believe by the time we stabilize power, it will stimulate that micro, small and medium enterprises. And of course, you'll see the economy of Nigeria will begin to take a life of its own.
[Rajpal:] Coming up, we find out how President Jonathan is tackling terrorism.
[Jonathan:] To persuade them, because you need to reorient their thinking.
[Rajpal:] So you want to negotiate with Boko Haram?
[Jonathan:] Most negotiation, no.
[Unidentified Female:] in Nigeria, where there are more reports of sectarian violence have left at least 25 people dead, another 20 wounded.
[Unidentified Male:] [Speaking foreign language].
[Vladimir Duthiers, Cnn Correspondent:] This was another attack carried out by the Islamist group Boko Haram. This year alone, they're responsible for more than 500 deaths across the northeastern part of Nigeria.
[Unidentified Male:] . pair of bomb attacks in Nigeria, both targeting churches during Christmas Day celebrations.
[Rajpal:] You mentioned Boko Haram. You mentioned groups like that group. That group has been declared a terrorist organization by the United States
[Jonathan:] And we have also declared them a terrorist organization.
[Rajpal:] How do you fight them? How do you deal with them?
[Jonathan:] Well, of course, terror attacks and suicide bombing was not known in our country before. This is a new security challenge we have and once stated would never had our secure our security architecture was not designed to deal with terror. It was designed to deal with ordinary criminals. But when it came, we were taken aback about. But now we are dealing up. If you follow statistics, more recently there was attack in a school.
[Rajpal:] Innocent young children were killed.
[Jonathan:] Yes. That in terms of the frequency or the incidence of happening, they have gone down drastically. And we are working very hard. I believe if we are talking with me again probably in three months' time, you will maybe praise me that this government have tried in terms of
[Rajpal:] How are you tackling them?
[Jonathan:] Of course, you are tackling terror from various angles. First and foremost, you must stop them or reduce the effects by a military intervention. That we have done. And that is why we declared state of emergency in the three states where this terror attack is predominant. In Nigeria, for you to enter a house, whether a live-in home, a factory or a religious place, you must get a [inaudible] warrant approved by a court. But when you declare a state of emergency, the security people are free to enter anywhere, even in your bedroom, if they suspect there is a criminal there. And that so the issue of sort of emergency help, the security people [inaudible] freely, without contravening any law. And we've done that and it's helping us to apprehend a number of them. But we have also set up a committee to discuss with the leadership of people within the areas to reach out with the leadership of this so-called Boko Haram to persuade them because you need to reorient their thinking.
[Rajpal:] So you want to negotiate with Boko Haram?
[Jonathan:] Not negotiation. No. It's done all over the world. I don't want to mention names. But it's not negotiation. The issue is not [inaudible]. But if you are somebody's daughter and you are not doing what is right, if you are in this secondary school or in any school and people observe that this young lady is not doing what is right, the way she dress, the way she talks, it's not expected of a decent girl. So come to you [inaudible] and talk to you. You come to your school teacher, talk to this girl. That is what we are doing. It's not negotiation.
[Rajpal:] When it comes to a group like Boko Haram, how then do you change the way they think, when they are hell bent on making sure
[Jonathan:] What makes them feel that way?
[Rajpal:] That's their fundamentalist ideals.
[Jonathan:] You see that issue of terror is caused by some kind of wrong notions, either ideological issues or religious issues. And it takes people to brainwash others to behave in a particular way. If you will have been brainwashed, either using religious sentiments or ideological issues, to make people think differently, then you have to talk to them. So we are getting people to religious people, senior citizens, to talk to them, to reorient it. And that is what is done all over the world.
[Rajpal:] So are you saying in three months as you say, if we talk to
[Jonathan:] I'm telling you that the steps we have taken so far
[Rajpal:] [inaudible] that you that the situation, the security situation will be
[Jonathan:] Will improve significantly. I'm not saying we'll get to zero [inaudible]. There is no country [inaudible] problems. There is no country in the world. So in another three months, the situation will be significantly better than it was. That's what I'm telling.
[Rajpal:] A lot of people will say that in order to deal with issues of terrorism, security, fundamentalist ideals, the kind of brainwashing, as you mentioned, is to, well, one, educate but also employment. Give people gainful employment. If they're earning a living, they're making money, they're making their lives better for themselves, they will not fall victim to other outside influence. Right now in your country, there's a 24 percent unemployment rate with your which I understand the age group between 15-24, that's at 37 percent unemployment. How are you dealing with unemployment and creating jobs in your country? You're asking for a lot of investment; you want a lot of investment. How is that going to trickle down to those who don't have jobs?
[Jonathan:] You see, the issue of unemployment in Nigeria because our population is big so a smaller percentage can mean so much in terms of the number of people. And that is one of the reasons why you see we have a robust drive for investment, private sector investments. The only way we can do to reduce that is to invest so much in agriculture, because it is in agriculture that you can employ the person who don't even have any basic education to the best person incorporate it. He can the best brain incorporating, you need it in agriculture. The person who doesn't go to school at all, you need it in agriculture. In Nigeria, the population of our almost 7 million people. But it's not just wanting the 7 million people. In some Asian countries if you have more than 7 million people, you see that 80 percent of them are above 40 years who already have houses, who already have jobs. But in Nigeria, 70 percent of that population are below 35 years. And 50 percent are below the age of maybe about 22 or so. These are people who are just leaving university and below. So you need schools for them. You need jobs for them. You need houses for them. So that is one of our challenges, even thought we are under 200 million, our challenges are more than countries that are even up to 200 million, even a little more.
[Rajpal:] The U.S. State Department has said that there's wide systemic corruption within the government of Nigeria. How do you, then, manage that?
[Jonathan:] We want the world to help solve that problem.
[Unidentified Male:] [Inaudible].
[Rajpal:] Africa has become the place or the friend that everyone wants to have. You have countries like the United States, China wooing African nations, Nigeria is an example of wanting to be a part of this growth that you're seeing right now. It's all part of that rebranding of the continent, if you will, the rebranding of the image. What why do you think it's taken up until now for this to happen?
[Jonathan:] Most of the developed countries, they didn't just get developed overnight. They grew from primary production to where they have reached. Africa generally now, our own economies are still based on primary production. We are not yet industrialized. Antoher thing, which I believe is key is that if you look at the history of Africa in the '60s, from 19 about 1958 to the early '60s, most African countries are passing through decolonization, a struggle for independence. When most African countries got independence, we have very, very unstable regimes. So over this period, you can see that the past 15 years or so most African countries have democratized. So you now have stable government. So this is a time that even African countries are beginning to plan. Now you consider within this period, African presidents and their ministers have been reaching out to the rest of the world to invite them to come and invest in Africa.
[Rajpal:] The U.S. State Department has said that there's wide systemic corruption within the government of Nigeria, within not just government but also the private sectors as well. How do you, then, manage that? How do you fix that? How do you deal with that?
[Jonathan:] The issue of corruption, yes, has been raised. We know, yes, as Nigerians, the system is not perfect. We are yet to see a perfect system anywhere in the world. I take the oil industry, as an example, that's one area where people talk about corruption. They steal our crude oil and bring it to you and you take it. Then you are as guilty as if you were doing it. That is the position. I'm not saying there's no corruption. But we want the world to help solve that problem. You see, what we are doing our best and I believe that for a nation, for you to solve any of your problems, whether issues of corruption, the issues of general good governance, of course, the issues of electrical malpractice and so on and so forth, you have to give very strong institutions. The African states up to maybe some countries up to this time and they before this time is that they build the governance around institutions and around individuals that very strong leader, the idea of like a wolf or a lion. And the whole country is build around that leader. And we feel that now we must deal very, very strong institutions, so with or without a president, the institutions must be strong.
[Rajpal:] The reality is the majority of Nigerians live on under $2 a day. Not many have access to education. Not tens of thousands are illiterate. Talk to me about your health care as well or you're the second highest number of HIVAIDS infection in the world. So when you talk about building institutions, governmental institutions that will last for generations, where are you when it comes to education health care right now?
[Jonathan:] Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. This is a government that has been in office for just two years. And when a number of things have been not quite wrongly, but probably not the direction it's supposed to go, for a very long time, it becomes difficult for you to correct overnight. Therefore, the issue of education, if you come to any country, we expect that for every country, everybody must pass through the basic level of education. So from low edge secondary to the primary, that's nine years of your education. We'll call it basic education. Ordinarily every child supposed to go through.
[Rajpal:] So they have access to does every child have access?
[Jonathan:] [Inaudible] everybody. This basic education is actually in the hands of the local governments and the state governments, not the federal government. But some states, for cultural reasons and that's the greatest problem we have as a state you see, as a country, Nigeria is a country where we are extremely religious people. We believe in our traditions and customs. So you have these. And those are the challenges around us. Why, even if you talk about HIV AIDS, and I was a governor of my state and I know I aggressively pursued the issue of HIV AIDS. So you cannot do that in some states because of cultural differences and religious. So we have our challenges.
[Rajpal:] I read somewhere that you described yourself once as the most criticized president in the world. What kind of impact does all of this have on your family, on your kids, when they see that all this criticism against you?
[Jonathan:] Well, it's
[Rajpal:] How do they deal with it?
[Jonathan:] You know, we are one of the few countries that anybody can abuse a president with your two eyes closed. Nobody cares.
[Rajpal:] But what does that do to your family? How do they deal with it?
[Jonathan:] Of course they must adjust.
[Rajpal:] Really? They must have thick skin.
[Jonathan:] They must adjust. If you wake up, and your father gets involved in an accident and becomes a lame person, what do you do? Become blind, what do you do? You will adjust. So they're growing up to see that well, that is the business.
[Rajpal:] When you look at your life now, would you say and what you've accomplished up until now, would you say that you've lived up to your name and the name that your parents gave you?
[Jonathan:] I came into politics as a deputy governor of my state, which in terms of the political hierarchy is quite low. A deputy governor of a few programs. You know, we have to have '60s and very few deputy governors were able to even become governors. Most of my colleagues just fell by the roadside. But somehow from the deputy governor I made the president over a very short period of time, from May 1999 to date. And that is why everybody says, look, this is the lucky person. So this and that rise politically, yes. I consider I live up to the name.
[Rajpal:] Mr. President, thank you so much.
[Jonathan:] Thank you.

[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, everyone. This is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Alisyn Camerota in New York. All eyes on the Middle East tonight, but not Israel this time. The tragedy is in Afghanistan, where a deadly ambush claims a top American general, the first killed in overseas combat since Vietnam. How will the White House respond? Meanwhile, tens of thousands of troops massing on the border. Appears that a dangerous situation is about to spin out of control. We're talking about Eastern Europe. Is Vladimir Putin on the verge of another land grab in Ukraine?
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] I'm Jake Tapper in Jerusalem. It's just before sunrise in Gaza, Israel and Hamas eyeball to eyeball as day two of this fragile cease-fire begins. The big question, what comes next, and what is the price of peace? Should the United States consider recognizing Hamas as something other than a terrorist organization?
[Camerota:] Plus, the congressman who says Democrats are waging a war on white people. Ann Coulter will be here, and you can bet she has some thoughts on that one. But let's begin with the latest on the Middle East and my colleague Jake Tapper. Jake, tell us what is happening at this hour.
[Tapper:] Alisyn, it's just before sunrise here in Jerusalem. We are almost one-third of the way through the 72-hour cease-fire with so far no violations of it yet. Israel has sent a delegation to Cairo, where this deal was of course hashed out under the leadership of the Egyptian government. All the Palestinian factions, including Hamas, which both Israel and the U.S. consider to be a terrorist group, all have voiced support for sticking by this respite in the violence, and the hope is that the cease-fire can morph into something bigger and more sustained soon. One other note, Alisyn. A new poll in the Israeli newspaper "Haaretz" suggests that most voters in Israel consider this conflict to be something of a tie, with Israel only having achieved partial success in dealing a big blow to Hamas, this despite the claims of triumph by Prime Minister Netanyahu and his cabinet. The other big story, of course, comes out of Afghanistan, where an ambush believed to be an Afghan soldier killed a U.S. Army major general and wounded up to 15 coalition troops. And CNN's Jim Sciutto has more on that story. Jim, what happened?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, Jake, this took place at Afghanistan's premier university in effect for senior military officers, their equivalent of West Point. It's been a real focus for coalition forces there, including U.S. forces, in terms of training the next generation of Afghan leaders. General Greene was visiting there along with a German general, senior Afghan commanders, when an Afghan soldier, one who had been with his unit for some time, one who had been through a serious vetting process that has been put into place of Afghan soldiers to prevent exactly this kind of attack, he opened fire on that senior delegation. He killed General Greene. He wounded 15 others, including eight American soldiers, as well as a German general. An investigation is going to be under way now to see how that vetting process failed. But it also raises questions because, as you know, of course, U.S. troops, coalition troops pulling out of Afghanistan in a number of months. And they're going to be focused on the onus for security focused on Afghan forces. Here is what Admiral John Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said when I asked whether it undermines confidence in Afghan forces going forward.
[Sciutto:] We're months away from Afghan from the U.S. handing over security responsibility for Afghanistan to Afghan forces like these. Does this undermine your confidence in their ability to take over that role?
[Rear Adm. John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary:] The Afghan national security forces continue to perform at a very strong level of competence and confidence and warfare capability. They have had a good year securing not one, but two national elections.
[Sciutto:] To be fair, the number of the so-called green on blue attacks, that's Afghan soldiers attacking coalition troops, has dropped significantly since 2012, when it peaked. There hadn't been one for a number of months. Only two killed this year so far in these attacks. But as Admiral Kirby said, the steps they have taken, including vetting Afghan soldiers, have mitigated the risk. They have not eliminated this risk. Afghanistan still very much a battlefield, and we saw proof of that today, Jake.
[Tapper:] Thanks, Jim back to you, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] All right, Jake. We want to talk more about General Greene. Joining us now is Colonel Duane Myers. He lives next door to Major General Greene's family. Colonel Myers, thanks for being with us.
[Col. Duane Myers, U.s. Army:] I'm glad to be here.
[Camerota:] Colonel, can you tell us how you got the news that General Greene had been killed?
[Myers:] Well, we heard on the TV this morning that a general had been killed. And it fit the description of a major general in logistics. But we then saw a black car pull up outside their door and talk to a woman who drove up next to them and confirmed that it was he.
[Camerota:] I can only imagine that feeling of having a black car pull up in front of your neighbor's house and knowing that they were about to deliver that news. Even I, Colonel, today felt a pang when I heard General Greene's name, because I had occasion to interview him almost a year ago last summer. I interviewed him. He was in Afghanistan and I talked to him about an element of the his mission there. You see on the screen there my interview with him. And even I felt the loss. I was just a reporter thousands of miles away from him. So tell me what it was like to live next door to him and what his family is like and what General Greene was like.
[Myers:] Well, you know what a nice boy he was. And the community a is fairly tight community and it's in the cul-de-sac in
[Camerota:] I think we're having trouble with colonel Duane Myers' cell phone there. But what he was saying is they lived on a cul-de-sac together and it was a really tight-knit community and that they all spent Christmases together. And it's a real loss for that family and for that neighborhood. And we thank Colonel Myers for joining us. I want to go back to Jake Tapper now. Jake, I know you have spent a lot of time in Afghanistan. You have even written a book about the fight there called "The Outpost." What do you make of how this could have happened?
[Tapper:] Well, there are so many complicated reasons as to why these green on blue incidents happen. Part of it, of course, is infiltration by the Taliban with their allies in Pakistan pulling strings. Part of it is just how complicated war can be. It's a very obviously difficult situation. And people's opinions of the United States and the coalition forces change based on things that happen in their own lives. The army, as Jim mentioned, this is something they have taken very seriously. There was a peak of 61 deaths. It was 15 percent of all U.S. casualties in Afghanistan in 2012 15 percent of them were from green on blue events. Now that's been reduced significantly. But it can't be eliminated entirely, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Yes, of course. I understand. And, I mean, there must be some soul-searching in the Army today of how to do things differently?
[Tapper:] Yes. I mean, look, they do a lot of vetting, obviously, and this is, as Jim mentioned, the West Point of Afghanistan. This is where officers were being trained. Obviously, they're going to redouble their efforts when it comes to vetting people. And they may have more, take more seriously there was something they did in 2012. They started a process called guardian angels. When U.S. soldiers were Afghan soldiers, there would be a U.S. soldier whose job it was to just watch the Afghan soldiers. They may bring that back in full force, I would think. But it's very, very complicated. Now let's turn subjects to the price of peace in this part of the world, the Middle East. Joining me now, we have a team of heavy hitters, Aaron David Miller, who advised six secretaries of state and helped formulate American policy in the Middle East. His latest book is "The End of Greatness." We also have Daniel Kurtzer, former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Egypt, and, of course, former General Wesley Clark, retired General Wesley Clark, former NATO supreme allied commander. Gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us tonight. Ambassador Kurtzer, I want to start with you. Israel has had some tough things to say to U.S. official, most notably perhaps when Prime Minister Netanyahu reportedly told the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, that he should quote "never, ever second-guess" him again when it came to dealing with Hamas. Have you heard that kind of talk when you were ambassador here or when you were ambassador in Egypt?
[Daniel Kurtzer, Former U.s. Ambassador To Egypt:] Well, we have experienced tough talk in the past. I dealt with Ariel Sharon as prime minister. He was quite tough on occasion. And so it's not unusual when the United States and Israel get into these spats. What is unusual is the fact that we have had these recurring fights for the entire period of the Obama and Netanyahu administrations. And the tenor of the discussion has really gotten nasty. So it's the length of time that these two sides are fighting with each other that makes this unusual.
[Tapper:] Do you think that it undermines the influence that the United States has when there are such tensions between Netanyahu and President Obama?
[Kurtzer:] Oh, it surely does. You know, countries in the region have always looked upon the United States-Israel relationship as a solid bedrock. And when they see this kind of consistent fighting and the words coming out of Jerusalem directed at American officials, it certainly undermines American credibility, and it hurts our ability to help Israel. And therefore it's not quite understandable why the Israelis are venting their frustrations in public. They have problems, let's talk about it. But I don't understand the public diplomacy going on here.
[Tapper:] Aaron David Miller, let me bring you in. We still do hear a lot of public talk from officials on both sides about the strength of Israel's ties with the U.S. Just last week, Congress passed more hundreds of millions to fund the Iron Dome here. You have advised so many secretaries of state on this conflict. Do you think we're going to have to wait a couple of years almost for new administrations in the U.S. and here in Israel in order to make a fresh start and move forward with the alliance stronger?
[Aaron David Miller, Woodrow Wilson International Center For Scholars:] You know, unlike Lehman Brothers, I think the U.S.-Israeli relationship really is too big to fail. But I do agree with Dan that there is a lot of dysfunction at the top. There is a lot of mistrust. There is a lot of suspicion. In life, where you stand has a lot to do with where you sit. And Benjamin Netanyahu and Barack Obama are sitting in two very different places with two differing set of conflicting pressures. I think, when Obama looks at Netanyahu, he sees a guy who doesn't respect American interests, who is primarily concerned about his own political survival. And when Netanyahu looks at Obama, he sees a guy who is insensitive, from his point of view, to Israeli security needs, and almost bloodless. So you really do need, I think as Dan knows, we have seen tough times before. George H.W. Bush and Yitzhak Shamir, that was a real rough period. Dan and I both lived through that period. But the reality then was that Shamir and Baker and Bush found a way to cooperate with one another. And until Netanyahu and Obama find a common enterprise I don't know what it will be. Iran? That doesn't look so great. The Arab-Israeli peace process. I think Dan is right. I think it's going to be very difficult for the less than thousand days that remains in the Obama presidency to work out a really functional relationship between these two.
[Tapper:] General Clark, the United States, as I mentioned, just OKed another $225 million for the Iron Dome missile defense system here and agreed to restock Israel's weapons during the operation. How critical to the United States is the military relationship? Obviously, it's vital to Israel.
[Gen. Wesley Clark, Former Nato Supreme Allied Commander:] Well, we look at Israel as a very, very important and vital ally in the region. It's in America's vital interest that Israel be safe and secure. So we're going to support them. They're an outpost of democracy in the region. They show what can be done with modern technology. They're entrepreneurial. They're going to be energy-independent when they develop their offshore gas and oil. They have got lots of future and lots of potential. And if we can get a Middle East peace process and get nations working together, that will be the keystone for economic progress in the region. And so Israel's security and safety is vital to the United States.
[Tapper:] It's been over a decade of controversial wars in the Middle East. Do you think, General Clark, that the reality is that U.S. influence in the world is waning?
[Clark:] Well, I think what has happened is that other powers have gotten stronger relative to the United States economically. And they're asserting themselves. But I think the United States is still the great power. It's ours to win or lose in the Middle East. We do have to be careful the instruments of power we choose, because, military power, once it's used, when it's used, if there is no exit strategy, if it's not accompanied by the right diplomacy, if you don't take the leverage from the military power to achieve your overriding diplomatic and political aims, then the military power as an instrument, it is frittered away. Our problem in the Middle East I was one of those who didn't agree with going into Iraq. I didn't think it was necessary. When we did go in, we had a brief window of enormous diplomatic leverage. We didn't use it with Iran. We didn't use it effectively with the other nations in the region. And it soon became clear that we weren't really prepared for the occupation of Iraq which ensued. And so from that point and from then on, it's been very difficult for us to manage the military power that we had there in a way that is most constructive and most effective for the outcomes we seek.
[Tapper:] All right. I have to leave it there. Ambassador Kurtzer, Wesley Clark and Aaron David Miller, thank you so much. We appreciate your time. And, General Clark, you will be back a little later in the show. When we come back, a former president's surprising call for action on Hamas, Alan Dershowitz will weigh in on that. Also, with the West's attention on the Middle East, is Vladimir Putin about to make a move in Eastern Europe? And practically speaking, is there anything the White House can do to stop him? We will ask our team of experts about Ukraine coming up.

[Malveaux:] The biggest wildfire in Colorado has now grown even bigger and more destructive. The numbers, they are staggering. Just take a look at this. The black forest fire near Colorado Springs has burned down 360 homes so far. 15,000 acres are scorched and evacuation area is now affecting 38,000 people. We are following breaking news. A burning chemical plant, this is near Baton Rouge, Louisiana, now something caused an explosion a couple of hours ago. This was at the Williams Olefins Plant. This is in the town of Geismar. The fire, it is still burning. We are told at least seven people are hurt. We are told that no one has been killed from this. We are going to get more details as we follow the breaking news story. In four days now, the jury selection process. This is George Zimmerman's murder trial out of Sanford, Florida. Now, Attorneys, they are trying to find folks, who can hear the case against him without being prejudice. They have been questioning potential jurors about their knowledge of this of course this high profile case. The "Orlando Sentinel" says the last juror called for questioning this morning was the most opinionated so far. The potential juror is quoted as saying, "She believes that Zimmerman is innocent." She thinks he was just defending himself when he shot Trayvon Martin last year and proceeded to give a detailed list of possible evidence in the case to justify her beliefs. The man who allegedly ran the Irish mob in Boston for almost 20 years, he is now on trial. Many people say, "It is about time." Prosecutor say, James "Whitey" Bulger was hands on killer who preferred to do his own dirty work. Now, he is charged with murdering 19 people. The trial officially is now under way. Our Debra Ferrick is in Boston.
[Debra Ferrick, Cnn Correspondent:] He grew up on the mid street of Boston. And, by the time he was a man, everyone in south Boston or Southy knew what he had become. Three words that describe Whitey Bulger.
[Tom Fuentes, Former Fbi Assistant Director:] Stone cold killer.
[Ferrick:] James Bulger, an Irish mobster, so feared, so ruthless. Some relatives of the 19 people he is accused of killing decades ago still Harbor a vivid hatred of the man known to everyone as "Whitey."
[Tommy Donahue, Victim's Son:] I said it before, I describe him as a scumbag. I think he is the lowest of the low. He is a mass murder like i said before. He has destroyed hundreds of families. He doesn't give a crap about anybody, no one but himself.
[Ferrick:] For more than two decades from the '70s to the early '90s nothing happened in Boston's criminal under world without Bulger getting a piece of it. He is accused of shaking down gamblers, loan sharks, drug traffickers as well as legitimate businessman. John Shea, nicknamed Red, ran his drug operations.
[John "red" Shea, Worked For Whitey Bulger:] That guy, he wanted to be as strong and as powerful and as rich as he could be. He made tough guys shake.
[Ferrick:] There was something else about Bulger, something that made him even more lethal. He cut a deal with another Southy from the same projects. John Connelly, an FBI agent who recruited him as an informant. Their deadly alliance would ultimately tarnish generations of federal agents.
[Gerard O'neill, Crime Reporter:] 1976 Connelly tipped him off about a rival and Bulger killed him. So, Connelly had to realize right away how serious and deadly this arrangement was.
[Ferrick:] Bulger was supposed to be ratting out the Italian mafia, but he used his FBI contacts to gain information that he allegedly used to kill 19 mob rivals, possible informants and others.
[Fuentes:] He would personally get involved in cutting the fingers or hands of the victims and extracting their teeth.

[Anderson:] All right. You're back with us. It's 20 minutes past midnight here in Abu Dhabi. That's the skyline here at the end of Ramadan. You're watching Connect the World live from Abu Dhabi. I'm Becky Anderson. Air travelers across Africa are facing big delays after a fire engulfed Kenya's busiest airport. Now hundreds of passengers have been left stranded outside Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi. The international arrivals hall was damaged extensively in the blaze it took five hours to bring under control. No word on the cause as of yet. Domestic and cargo flights have resumed. And no casualties are thankfully reported. The Kenyatta airport is the busiest in East Africa, served by 27 airlines, flying to 23 countries. It handles 16,000 passengers a day and more than 5 million a year. Well, let's turn to the scene on the ground now. And speak to CNN's Nima Elbagir who is in Nairobi. They've said that they resumed domestic flights. They're in evidence, are they now, and we've got some cargo back in the air, right?
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, they've cleared the cargo that's in well, they're in the process, I should say, of clearing the cargo that's in the warehouses here, but they still haven't announced any plane to get those goods that are expected on the global markets the vegetables, the third of the world's flowers that Kenya provides, we still don't yet know what's going to happen with them. And, yes, domestic flights have resumed. And that's working to unknot some of that chaos you spoke about, because they're going to the regional airport in Mombasa. But, again, you know, this is the hundreds that were affected here in the airport, but this really has disrupted travel for thousands of passengers. And this is the beginning of the tourism season, Becky, so we're going to see quite a financial fallout from this in the days to come.
[Anderson:] Listen, the government has said that international arrivals will resume on Thursday. I was talking to some people today who have been pretty surprised at how quickly they think they can get this get these arrivals up and running once again. You rightly point out how important this is to the economy. I've used that airport numerous times on holidays through Kenya. I mean, it's not the most efficient necessarily, but, you know, it's a busy one. We've got any more specific details on when these international arrivals will begin once again. And it can get this airport operational, as it should be?
[Elbagir:] Well, the hope is that there will be some sort of a limited service starting from Thursday, which is tomorrow morning here focusing on the international routes, the national Kenya Airways has said that it's going to quickly try and bring back into service that route through Amsterdam and then which goes back through Europe. And again that plays into the financial impact of the tourism that they're trying to limit here. But as you said, this really isn't the most efficient of airports at the best of times. And people are concerned that these plans that are being announced are perhaps a trifle optimistic. And of course while they're doing all of this, they're also trying to handle the ongoing investigation into how this could have happened in the first place, given how important, how crucial this airport is, not just to Kenya's economy, but to the whole region. And questions are being asked about how there wasn't a working sprinkler system in place. How at one point the interior ministry was forced to admit that water supplies that the fire service was using to put out the blaze, that they were running low. And given Kenya's broader economic ambitions, these are issues that the government is going to have to work to find some pretty convincing answers for in the next few days, Becky.
[Anderson:] Yeah. All right. Nima Elbagir, who I know flew into the airport only hours ago from Rwanda where she was on a trip with or reporting on a trip with Bill Clinton. You've used you've battled the airport as many other people have had to today, but good to have you with us. Nima, in Nairobi for you. All right, health officials in China are cracking down on an alarming rise in newborn baby thefts. Corrupt doctors are said to be selling babies to human traffickers after convincing their parents they were born with severe defects. Now one family was reunited with their child, but most aren't nearly as lucky. David McKenzie filed this report.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] It's an awful case of baby human trafficking in the city in western China that is shocking the nation. Take a look at these extraordinary images as a young mother is reunited with her newborn son who had been trafficked to a neighboring province. Here are the allegations that a doctor in this town at a maternity hospital convinced the parents that their child had a congenital defect and took the child away from them and sold them on for some $3,000 to human traffickers. It seems like this is a trafficking ring and that this isn't the first time. Scores of parents in this city have come forward to say that their children, too, might have been taken away and sold to traffickers eventually through several steps to adoptive parents elsewhere in China. Of course, this is shocking China and shocked the government. They say they're going to have a national review of health care in the country to see whether loop holes could be to allow such an awful thing like a parent losing their child to human traffickers. David McKenzie, CNN, Chongqing Province.
[Anderson:] Well, Japan's prime minister says that his government will take action to accelerate the cleanup at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. The company that runs the plant has acknowledged that highly radioactive water is leaking out of the site into ground water in the harbor nearby. But Shinzo Abe is not content to leave the cleanup in the company's hands. Have a listen to this.
[Shinzo Abe, Prime Minister Of Japan:] The stability of Fukushima is also one of our tasks, notably the contaminated water problem is one that the Japanese people have a high level of interest in and is an urgent issue to deal with. This is not an issue we can let Tepco take complete responsibility of. And we have to deal with this at a national level.
[Anderson:] The latest world news headlines are just ahead here on CNN. Plus an ugly problem rears its head once again, the vicious Internet troll issue and what can be done to stop it. And what could happen next in Egypt after authorities there declare that diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis have failed.

[Kaye:] And now the way, way forward, giving you a major heads up about something coming up not this week, but soon enough, of course, to start thinking about it. Later this year, NASA will make its mark and unveil its next generation of manned spaceflight. Now if all goes well, an unmanned test flight in December could open the way for a manned mission in 2017. CNN aviation analyst, Miles O'Brien joining us via Skype. Miles, the space shuttle fleet was retired in 2011 so how important is the Orion project, do you think?
[Miles O'brien, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, especially in light of the tensions that the U.S. has encountered with Russia and Russia being the only way that U.S. astronauts can get to the International Space Station, this is very important. It's also a point of national pride that the U.S. since the space shuttle was retired and put in moth balls and put in hangars, has not had its own independent way of sending human beings to space. There's been a thriving development in the commercial sector. We've SpaceX, the company run by Elon Musk, out of California, with some success delivering cargo to the International Space Station. Ultimately he would like to deliver astronauts to the International Space Station, but in the long run, NASA has pledged to go much farther, all the way to Mars. And what we're talking about now with Orion and the space system which is to come later is just that very fact.
[Kaye:] And so let's talk about this manned mission which is planned for 2017. I mean, this is even more advanced than the space shuttles, right? So what will it involve?
[O'brien:] Well, for one thing, it sort of take us a lot farther than we've been really since 1972 in space. As a matter of fact, this unmanned mission at the end of the year will travel to an orbital altitude of more than 3,000 miles, just by comparison, the International Space Station orbits at about 250 miles, and that's where the shuttle spent most of its time. So this is delving into space in a much deeper way and this mission in 2017 that is contemplated would actually send astronauts in the vicinity, although it's still kind of sketchy, in the vicinity of an asteroid, which may, in fact, be captured and brought into closer proximity to earth for astronauts to do a long distance mission into deep space, practice space walking techniques and also in the course of all of this, learn a little something about redirecting asteroids, which is an important thing. Just ask a dinosaur.
[Kaye:] Exactly.
[O'brien:] Well, I think this report, this 55-page report is about three months too late, but I guess better late than never. It is a great detailed treasure trove of information which explains the absolute scenarios and what searchers were thinking about when they define the zone where they're looking right now. All of it as you read it makes a lot of sense. There are some suppositions and people have wrongly characterized the report as drawing conclusions about what happened on the flight. What the investigators had done is taken the best possible scenario base on what they've seen from the satellite information and so forth. So I think they're searching the right place.
[Kaye:] All right. Well, that's good news, if you think so. So, Miles, nice to see you. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
[O'brien:] Same to you, Randi.
[Kaye:] We leave you now with some more stories that you'll likely be hearing a lot more about in the week ahead. After a month in a drug rehab facility, Toronto Mayor Rob Ford returning to work tomorrow. Ford is not only resuming his mayoral duties, he's also planning to resume his re-election campaign. Toronto residents will hear from the mayor, who's scheduled a news conference on his return. Beginning Tuesday, a new gun law takes effect in Georgia. Critics call it the guns everywhere bill. It will allow firearms in some bars, churches, school zones and certain areas of airports and government buildings. Supporters of the law call it meaningful pro- gun legislation. And this Friday, it is happy birthday, America. The nation will celebrate turning 238 years old and there will be no shortage of festivities from coast to coast. Washington, D.C. is planning a huge bash with a concert featuring all kinds of musical acts, including Patti Labelle and Frankie Valley. And of course, yes, you guessed it, lots of fireworks. I'm Randi Kaye. Be sure to tune into CNN's Film "DOCUMENTED," that's tonight at 9:00 Eastern Time. But first, a CNN Special Report, "

[Whitfield:] Jameis Winston is the reigning Heisman Trophy winner. And tonight he is leading his Florida State football team against Georgia Tech in the ACC championship game, but this week he is also in the spotlight for an accusation that he sexually assaulted a woman two years ago. Florida State University and authorities in Tallahassee have been criticized heavily for how they have handled this case. CNN's Andy Scholes is live for us at the ACC Championship in Charlotte, North Carolina. Also with me, Matt Baker, a sports reporter with the "Tampa Bay Times." Good to see both of you guys. So, Andy, let's begin with you. Bring us up to date on this conduct case involving Winston.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports:] Well, the hearing wrapped up on Wednesday. It was a two-day hearing, where Winston, his accuser, and other witnesses were called to testify before former Florida State Florida Supreme Court Justice Major Harding. Winston gave his account of what he said happened the night of the alleged assault in a statement. It was a very graphic statement. I'm going to read part of it to you right now. He said, "I did not create a hostile, intimidating, or offensive environment. In the short period of time that we were together the accuser had the capacity to consent to having sex with me and she repeatedly did so by her conduct and her verbal expressions." He went on to say, "Rape is a vicious crime. The only thing as vicious as rape is falsely accusing someone of rape." Now, Fred, when we find when we get a resolution to this hearing, it's still unknown, the accuser's attorney, John Cloon, said he does hope to hear from the former Florida Supreme Court justice in about two to three weeks. So hopefully we'll have it by then. Even if they do end up expelling Jameis Winston from the university, he can appeal, meaning he will get to remain on the field for the rest of Florida State's season.
[Whitfield:] OK. And then, Matt, you cover Florida State and you've spent a lot of time in Tallahassee. What has been the reaction of FSU fans to Jameis Winston and the accusations that have been lodged against him. Overall what you know, what's been happening in that town?
[Matt Baker, Sports Writer, Tampa Bay Times:] It's really ebb and flowed in the 13 months since this first became public. I can tell you as a guy who was the first one to look into it, I got about 120 prank calls because my name was on the first open records request. Since then, it kind of died down a little bit. And then the tide started to turn a little bit in the spring, when he admitted to stealing crab legs from Publix. At that time, they were kind of you know, some people started saying, well, what about his judgment as you're learning. And again, before the Clemson game, when he made some inappropriate remarks at the student union there, again, there were some more people chime in, like, is he ever going to learn? But in the last couple of weeks as the hearing approach, with everything that's gone here and with football as well, FSU is still undefeated, and fell down all the way to four in the playoff rankings and potentially in jeopardy of not being in the final four, the FSU fans have really kind of circled the wagons here lately.
[Whitfield:] And then with his character, with his judgment all kind of on the line or in question, Andy, how might this impact his aspirations to go pro?
[Scholes:] Well, you know, Fred, five or six years ago, you know, if you could play football and you were great in college, you were going to get your shot in the NFL, you are going to be a high draft pick. What we've seen happen with Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, you know, teams they're really going to start looking into players that have, you know, off-the-field issues, red flags coming into the draft. That being said, Jameis Winston, he's won a Heisman Trophy. He's one of the best college quarterback that we've had in quite a long time. So he's going to get a shot in the NFL. Will it be a high first round pick? I sure don't think so. I think he's going to fall.
[Baker:] I think it's an issue, it's certainly a concern, especially like you said, regarding Ray Rice and Greg Hardy and the NFL, but he's 25-0 as a starter. All that matters in the NFL is whether he can win. And you can't discount 25-0 heading into the game tonight.
[Whitfield:] All right. Matt Baker, Andy Scholes, thanks to both of you, gentlemen, appreciate it. There from Charlotte. All right, hundreds of thousands of people are fleeing to higher ground as a typhoon slams into the Philippines. Winds are not the only danger. A live update, next.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] So I think we can all identify with a missing of a highway exit when you're driving on the interstate and your mind's somewhere else. And then it's a hassle, right? Now, put yourself in the shoes of a U.S. Marine who says that innocent mistake landed him in a notoriously tough Mexican prison prison and now he's staring at 21 years behind bars in Mexico when he faces a judge today. His name is Andrew Tahmooressi, and he says that when he reached the Mexican border crossing, this Marine immediately told the guards there he had three guns in his truck, legal, registered guns. He says he intended to turn around and go back to the U.S. when the military got involved, and then huh-oh all of a sudden, he was arrested and slapped with a weapons charge. And he's been in a Mexican jailer since. It's been two months now. Earlier, on "NEW DAY," his mother called this experiencing terrifying.
[Jill Tahmooressi, Son Jailed In Mexico:] He's a two-tour combat veteran of Afghanistan. He was in the harshest of conditions in Afghanistan, so, yes, he was suffering from symptoms of PTSD, which is why he was out in San Diego, at the invite of a Marine friend. And just March 12th, he was diagnosed positive and had started a treatment plan. But within days, he was in imprisoned in Mexico, his life threatened, four-point chain-restrained to a bed for 35 days. So he's been brutalized and definitely a setback to his recovery from PTSD.
[Banfield:] I want to bring in Mel Robbins, our CNN legal analyst, and Rafael Romo, our senior Latin affairs editor. First, guys, and I want this to be really clear to our audience, Mexican justice is a little different than American justice. It involves a frightening concept to people here in the U.S., where you are actually guilty until you prove that you are innocent. Mel, that is a very strange concept. How did the Mexicans come up with that kind of constitutional law where you have to prove you're innocent?
[Mel Robbins, Cnn Commentator:] It's been that way for a long time. There are a lot of things that are different between the laws in Mexico in a criminal case and what's going on here. First of all, you've got to prove you're innocent. Secondly, there's no death penalty. And there's a lot of differences around jail and bail and all that kind of stuff as well. So what you're going to see is you're going to see him putting on a case to be able to show that this was all one, giant mistake. You're going to see him for example, I think one of the key pieces of evidence here is he claims that as soon as he crossed the border, he called 911 in the United States and was told that they can't do anything. He knew he had crossed. He was nervous. He said, what do I do? They said, turn around, we can't help you. They're going to try to admit that, which I think is really compelling evidence.
[Banfield:] There's also apparently a piece of a poorly marked crossing. Rafael, there's some you've been in this area. When he says a poorly marked crossing, I'm imagining he's on the interstate, and he misses the exit and, boom, the lights go on behind him. Is it that simple or is there something more to this?
[Rafael Romo, Cnn Senior Latin Affairs Editor:] It's not necessarily that simple, and what I can tell you, having been born and raised at the border on the Mexican side of the border, is that the argument that he mistakenly made a wrong turn and ended up in Mexico is going to be very hard to prove in a Mexican court, because there are signs for two miles telling you that you're on your way to Mexico and also that it is illegal to go into Mexico with guns. And the bottom line, when it comes to this story, Ashleigh, is that, if you are going to Mexico, regardless of who you are, regardless if you're a Marine and you've given this country great service, do not take any guns. When I go to Mexico, I don't even take toothpicks, much less guns, because Mexican law says, Ashleigh, that if you're caught trafficking guns, you're going to face anywhere from five to 30 years in prison. And it is very important to understand the context of this case here, because Mexico is in the middle of a war with about six, very powerful drug cartels who daily, Ashleigh, every single day, manage to smuggle about 2,000 high-caliber weapons into Mexico. And so it is in this context that Sergeant Tahmooressi got involved. It doesn't really matter who he is, where he came from, or whether his guns were registered to him, he violated the law from the Mexicans' perspective and has to pay for that.
[Banfield:] Rafael, what I can say is the State Department spokesman has stated that the secretary of state, John Kerry, has raised this issue with Mexican officials. There's very little coming out of the State Department other than that, but clearly, after today, we'll have to hear what went on. And please update us on that, Rafael. Rafael Romo's reporting for us live, also Mel Robbins weighing in on that, as well, so to be continued on that story. Also, coming up, this is a fascinating story from the NYPD. New York City police department is adding a big ol'weapon to its arsenal. It comes in the form of a needle, a needle that holds an antidote to save heroin addicts from ODing and dying. Is this a miracle drug, or is this a liability? And, by the way, if it's so great, why doesn't everybody have it across the country? That's next.

[Paul:] Well, Vladimir Putin, and this surprised an awful lot of people, reached out to President Obama to talk about the crisis in Ukraine. The two leaders agreed to have their top diplomats discuss proposals to resolve the situation peacefully.
[Blackwell:] According to U.S. officials, there are 40,000 Russian troops along Ukraine's border right now. Our Karl Penhaul is on the border. And Karl, tell us what you are seeing there.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, we are seeing here on the Ukrainian side a buildup of the Ukrainian military. We are looking at them digging in there with armored personnel carriers mounted with heavy machine guns. We also saw some of that T-80 tanks also digging in and protecting bridges, presumably the line of advance that they think the Russians would take if they would roll across that border. And more importantly, we are saying that the civilian population themselves is beginning to organize. They say that they can't trust the United States or Western powers to come to their aid. They are doing it for themselves. They purchased military uniforms at the market here in some of these towns. And they are forming the self- defense committees that have been digging trenches and setting up ramshackle outposts. They say that they could well be the only line of defense if Russian tanks roll in. But they really don't have any real weapons to speak of. They are arming themselves with Molotov cocktails and also putting up barricades
[Paul:] So, the civilians are saying they are on the defensive, but they aren't going to initiate anything with them, right?
[Penhaul:] Well, exactly. The trigger there, of course, would be if the Russians come across and that is where there is some doubt. Pentagon speaking of 40,000 Russian troops massing just across the other side of Ukraine's eastern border. The Ukrainian government puts the figure more than twice as high saying that they also have tanks and attack helicopters. But of course, what the Pentagon officials are saying is we don't really know what Vladimir Putin's intent is. Does he really intend to come in and try to annex some of the eastern Ukrainian cities like he did with Crimea? And we have heard this morning from Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister saying, they have no intention of coming into Ukraine. Vladimir Putin is once again saying that he believes that Ukrainian ultranationalists are threatening ethnic Russians living in Ukraine and that, of course, is the same excuse that he used to go meddling in Crimea.
[Paul:] All right. Karl Penhaul, thank you so much for bringing us the latest from that area. And we are so glad that you are starting your morning with us. And you next hour of your "NEW DAY" starts now.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight, live, Pleasant Grove, Utah. Spring cleaning turns deadly when remains of tiny infants found in cardboard boxes. But that`s just the beginning. Bombshell tonight. By the time the whole premises is searched by police, bodies of seven helpless infants, all dead at the hands of Mommy, say police. That`s right, cops say Mommy hides seven pregnancies, gives birth, only to murder each child one after the next after the next. Now, you look at her and you think she`s the nice neighbor who goes for walks and borrows a cup of sugar, all the while Mommy`s murdering at least seven tiny babies!
[Unidentified Female:] Pleasant Grove police discovered seven dead infants in the garage, babies police say 39-year-old Megan Huntsman gave birth to, killing at least six of them.
[Unidentified Male:] They were cleaning out the garage. Came across a suspicious package, that kind of pungent odor. Police found the remains of seven dead babies.
[Grace:] And tonight, caught on tape, a vicious fight at the school bus stop. Check it out.
[Unidentified Female:] This fist-flying, F-bombing fight was between a mother of a Youstack middle school student and the 13-year-old girl seen here...
[Grace:] And "Real Housewife" Teresa Giudice may be headed for the big doll house i.e., the women`s jail after she`s busted by the feds, but that`s not stopping her from making yet another cash grab, again signing autographs, $25 a pop, insisting cash only, no receipts. This as her popularity seems to skyrocket, more bookings than ever for the "Real Housewife." Seems pretty soon, she`ll be off the speech circuit. And tonight, another "Real Housewife" in trouble, in hiding and in fear for her life.
[Unidentified Male:] Reality star Teresa Giudice flaunted her riches on "The Real Housewives of New Jersey." But in real life, Teresa and her husband, Joe, owe creditors over $13 million. "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" star Camille Grammer is reportedly living in fear. A judge ordered Camille`s ex to stay away from her and her home, but that order might have been broken.
[Grace:] And live, Tampa suburbs. Police race to a multi-million- dollar mansion, a little girl at her bedroom computer doing homework, dead, the little brother in the garage, buckled into the car, dead. Who`s the gun-toting shooter? Mommy, lounging by the pool in a houserobe and covered in blood. But why? Mommy says because her children talked back to her. But now she claims she`s crazy. We uncover tonight stunning new secret surveillance.
[Unidentified Male:] About what time I know you said you drank some beer and then started drinking some wine. Do you remember what time it was that you stopped drinking the wine?
[Unidentified Female:] It was past Newly-released police interviews recorded just hours after the murders.
[Unidentified Male:] You seem like you`re feeling better. Are you feeling better?
[Unidentified Female:] It goes back and forth.
[Grace:] And tonight, while we remember those who lost their lives at the Boston Marathon bombing just 12 short months ago, as we go to air tonight, what has become of the bomber`s American wife?
[Unidentified Female:] April 15th last year was the hardest day I`ve had.
[Unidentified Male:] I was in a coma for eight days.
[Unidentified Female:] We need help!
[Unidentified Male:] So I`m sitting up, and I saw that his leg was gone.
[Grace:] Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight, live to Pleasant Grove. Spring cleaning turns deadly when the remains of tiny infants found in cardboard boxes, but that`s just the tip of the iceberg. By the time cops were called and the whole premises was searched, the bodies of seven helpless infants, all dead, seven dead babies, dead, police say, at the hands of Mommy. They say Mommy hides seven pregnancies, gives birth only to murder each child one after the other, killing seven children? You know, to look at her, you`d think she was the nice neighbor that you see jogging by in the morning or borrows a cup of sugar. All the while, this mom behind closed doors murdering all those tiny infants? Unbelievable! But you can`t argue with forensics. All these bodies found in her home, all dead! To Jim Kirkwood, talk show host, KTKK. Jim, what happened?
[Jim Kirkwood, Ktkk:] Well, this is so unbelievable, Nancy, because Pleasant Grove is this little bedroom community, very quiet, mostly religious people. And you have someone like this fooling everybody. Her pregnancies nobody knew she was pregnant. She didn`t look it. And then she`s suffocating or strangling at least six of them, maybe all seven, we`re not sure, of these babies between 2006 and 1996. She`s killing them one at a time after giving birth? It`s unbelievable, Nancy!
[Grace:] Jim, Jim Kirkwood, hold! Let`s go straight to see what police have to say. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Male:] It`s something that you don`t expect to see. Some family members of the residence were cleaning out the garage, came across this suspicious package, had kind of a pungent odor. A search warrant was executed, and during the warrant, the bodies of six other infants that appear to be full-stage were located inside the garage area, as well. Throughout the investigation, we were able to determine that she had given birth to these to the seven babies, and six of them she she murdered. It`s hard to comprehend how this could happen.
[Grace:] Let`s go to the lines. Kelly in Kentucky. Hi, Kelly. What`s your question?
[Unidentified Female:] Hi, Nancy. I read on line this morning that it was the husband that discovered at least one of these infants that were dead in a box. I really need to know, over the past 10 years, how did the husband not know that his wife was pregnant seven times and gave birth to seven children? How do you miss that, being under the same roof with somebody?
[Grace:] Kelly in Kentucky, hold on. I`m just being joined right now by Chief Michael Smith from the Pleasant Grove Police Department. Chief Smith, thank you for being with us. You know, how does that happen? I mean, maybe once you could fake the world out about your pregnancy, but seven times, Chief?
[Chief Michael Smith, Pleasant Grove Police Department:] Yes, that`s a great question. We have the same question. And I agree, you know, one thing to fake the world out, but to fake your own family and husband out is another. And that is an area that we continue to probe into try to get those answers.
[Grace:] You know, Chief Smith, Kelly in Kentucky wants to know, was it the husband that originally found the first dead body? Is that correct?
[Smith:] That is correct.
[Grace:] Wow! And he probably didn`t think that this is connected to his wife. So he calls about the one dead body in the cardboard box. With me is Chief Michael Smith out of Pleasant Grove, joining us tonight. But where were the other bodies hidden, Chief Smith?
[Smith:] They were in the same area. They stopped once they found the infant, they stopped what they were doing and called the police. And we responded, and through our investigation found the other infants in the same area the first one was located.
[Grace:] And Chief Smith, are you telling me that the husband says he never knew his wife was pregnant seven times?
[Smith:] Yes, that`s what that`s the information that we have.
[Grace:] OK, that is a little hard to take in, Chief Smith. Chief, another question. There are seven tiny bodies, but only six homicide charges. What about the seventh infant?
[Smith:] There`s information that we have that one of them was possibly stillborn. The infants are at the medical examiner`s as we speak, and as - as that investigation unfolds, hopefully, we`ll be able to determine if - if well, how that baby died. And if we need to amend charges at that point, we will.
[Grace:] You know, Chief Smith, I`m just bowled over. I just remember how helpless and tiny my twins were when they were born. But I heard a report earlier that these babies were full term. Is that correct, Chief?
[Smith:] Yes. We believe they were full-term. From what we have discovered, they appear to be full-term infants.
[Grace:] Oh!
[Smith:] It`s just it`s hard to wrap your mind around what happened there.
[Grace:] Chief, were they wrapped in blankets? Were they just in the box? How did you find them positioned?
[Smith:] They were they were wrapped, in containers, and they each were in their own container.
[Grace:] You know, I`m just trying to get my head around it, Chief Smith. How do you do it not once but possibly seven times? I mean, we don`t know if the seventh one was stillborn or if it was murdered. How do you put your hands, as a mother, around the neck of an infant and strangle the tiny baby to death? I mean, when I find a bug, I try to put it outside. You know, I wrestle with a bug for an hour to get the thing out the window. How do you where do you get the mental capacity to murder a child over and over? I mean, this is seven dead bodies. I mean, I can`t just to even say that, seven dead infants I mean, Chief Smith, have you ever seen anything like it in your life?
[Smith:] I haven`t. And I agree with you, how I don`t understand how it could happen. I think that if the day ever comes that you could comprehend and understand, then you`ve got a problem because it is just it`s horrific what happened.
[Grace:] Then to just stake the cardboard box out there with the old Christmas tree? I mean, really? Chief Smith with me, Chief Michael Smith. I`m hearing in my ear, I`m just being joined by Aaron Hawker, who lived next door to the home where the dead infants have been found. Aaron, thank you for being with us. Did you ever notice that Megan Huntsman was pregnant?
[Aaron Hawker, Next-door Neighbor:] Never. We`ve we lived next door to them for 15 years. And my daughter made the observation yesterday she knows her pretty well, and she says that Megan`s one of these women that she didn`t show at all until she hit about nine months. And that had to be true. I never I didn`t know that, but she always looks slim and trim all the years we knew her.
[Grace:] Aaron Hawker with me, who lived next door where the home to the home where the dead infants were found. Aaron, again, thank you for being with us. What was her personality? I mean, You lived next to her for 15 years.
[Hawker:] Well, you know, I hate to say make this sound like other interviews, but she was just a normal, kind of a shy woman. And we we didn`t do things with them, but we saw them all the time and spoke with them. But she was just your normal, average, run-of-the-mill person out there in society.
[Grace:] Well, how many children does she have?
[Hawker:] She has three daughters, ages 21, 20 and 14.
[Grace:] Everybody, hold. I want to give you an announcement. Last week, we reported the sudden death of a Hall of Fame wrestler, the "Ultimate Warrior," at just 54, and that Warrior and many other wrestlers admit using anabolic steroids to build strength. We listed a stunning number of pro wrestlers who died young, and we know the sometimes tragic effect of steroids. Could these deaths be the result of steroid use? We`re re certainly not saying every wrestler who died young of these steroids. We don`t know that. But we do know at least one on the list, Owen Hart, did not did not die of steroid use. He died from a tragic fall doing a stunt, and his widow confirms that. She wrote to us passionately, pointing that out. We want to regret that was not made clear last week. Now, Ultimate Warrior`s cause death yet to be determined.

[Banfield:] The numbers may be growing but the stories are pretty much staying the same. A private encounter, a drink, or a pill, or numerous drinks or pill, incapacitation and then sexual assault, none of it ever proven, none of it even formally alleged beyond one civil lawsuit that was settled out of court a decade ago. But the stories just keep coming, including the one you're about to hear that predates all of the others. The accuser spoke to our Alisyn Camerota.
[Kristina Ruehli, Alleged Cosby Assault Victim:] I am a very woman that's very comfortable financially. I'm really happy. I have everything. I don't want his money or anyone else's.
[Alisyn Camerota, Tv Journalist:] So, then why are you coming forward?
[Ruehli:] Two reasons. One, I don't like to see these other women who had similar experiences called liars and trash in the media, when I know that I can speak for them. And the second reason, it was that it might encourage others, [inaudible], well, these are all new that I didn't know about and there may be dozens or hundreds of other victims.
[Unidentified Female:] 71-year-old Kristina Ruehli, says her encounter with comedian Bill Cosby took place in 1965 when she was 22 years old, making hers the earliest known alleged case. She was working as a secretary at a talent agency when she says Cosby invited her and several coworkers to a party at his house.
[Camerota:] You get to the party for the beginning of what you think will be a party. And he prepares a cocktail for you?
[Ruehli:] Yes, bourbon and seven, that was sort of the standard thing for me to drink at that time.
[Camerota:] You have two drinks.
[Ruehli:] I had two drinks that I'm clear about.
[Camerota:] And then what happened?
[Ruehli:] I don't remember a thing. I It went blank. When in you're in that kind a foggy state, you don't think of anything about that. You have drunk too much. So, I must have passed out again, because when awaken again, I found myself on bed.
[Camerota:] And then what happened?
[Ruehli:] He was there. He had his shirt off and I believe he had his pants off. It's pretty groggy. And he had his hand on the back of my head.
[Unidentified Female:] She says, he then tried to force her to perform oral sex.
[Ruehli:] And so, I lifted my head away. I think it surprised him. I lifted my head away and pulled myself away immediately. And I went into the bathroom and I throw up and I know I throw up a couple a times. When I finished, I came out and he was gone.
[Unidentified Female:] Kristina believes it could have been worst. That Cosby could have raped her. A few months after the alleged incident, she says she told her boyfriend at a time what happened.
[Camerota:] Did you tell anyone else other than your boyfriend?
[Ruehli:] I might have. I might have but it's something that sort of may be you would tell you boyfriend but not. Girlfriends? Things were different. You talk about different things. You didn't'talk about date rape with a girlfriend.
[Camerota:] Did it ever occur to you to go the police?
[Ruehli:] No, he had not injured me. What had he done? He had exposed himself to me, but this was '60s. And it never occurred to me to go the police. I just went on with my life.
[Camerota:] People are skeptical.
[Ruehli:] I know.
[Camerota:] Did Bill Cosby did this to you and to the other women? Bill Cosby was a likable...
[Ruehli:] He was likable.
[Camerota:] Back in '70s, '60s and '70s. So, why did he have to resort to drugging women?
[Ruehli:] I don't think he's very attractive or sexy. I guess that's just my viewpoint. Maybe he is inadequate inside. But I've heard that this was a routine of his, all the time. Rape is about power not sex. Rape is about anger not sex. And until he had this series, "I Spy" which was a series that he had then, he was just a comedian. And the power that he found in his hands, he abused.
[Unidentified Female:] In 2005, 40 years later, Kristina read about another alleged victim, Andrea Constand. She'd filed a lawsuit against Cosby and Kristina wanted to help, becoming one of the 13 Jane Does in the case, which was settled for an undisclosed amount with Ms. Constand.
[Camerota:] So, you basically volunteer your services, your memory to this other lawsuit but you did not stand to gain financially from being a part of this lawsuit?
[Ruehli:] Oh no. And I didn't need it, I didn't need the aggravation but I thought what's the worst thing that can happen to me that somebody calls me a liar.
[Camerota:] I want to read you a statement from Bill Cosby's attorney. "Lawsuits are filled against people in the public eye every day. There has never been a shortage of lawyers willing to represent people with claims against rich, powerful men, so it makes no sense that not one of these new women who just came forward for the first time, now ever asserted a legal claim back at the time they allege they have been sexually assaulted."
[Ruehli:] Well, lawyers can be hired by rich powerful men to speak for them when they are silent. That's my answer.
[Unidentified Female:] Cosby's attorneys did not provide CCN with the response specific to Kristina's claims.
[Camerota:] What do you think is going to happen next? Do you think that there's such deem now that's been created by these more than dozen women, yourself included who've come forward that he must respond?
[Ruehli:] I think more will come forward. Whatever you follow here it doesn't end with me.
[Camerota:] Do you think it's time for Bill Cosby to come forward and say something?
[Ruehli:] I do. I wish he had courage. I wish he had the balls. Who would want 15 minutes of this kind of not saying shame? So, I'm here not that I think I'm this great courageous character person but to say to the others who have come forward and who I hope will come forward. It's great It takes courage.
[Banfield:] Bill Cosby, himself, spoke with a Florida newspaper over the weekend. And I've got a quote. I'm going to read to you, he said, "I know people are tired of me not saying anything, but a guy doesn't have to answer to innuendos. People should fact check. People shouldn't have to go through that and shouldn't answer to innuendos." We'll be right back.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. One year ago this week, Michelle Knight, Amanda Berry and Gina Dejesus were freed from the clutches of Ariel Castro. A man who held them in a Cleveland house of horrors for a decade. He took Michelle Knight first in August 2002. She's written about it and her survival in a new book. In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Michele describes the moment she realized the nightmare was finally over.
[Knight:] Sometimes I felt hopeless because there was nobody out there for me. No one.
[Anderson Cooper, Host, Cnn's "ac360":] For 11 long years, Michele Knight was held captive inside 2207 Seymour Avenue where along with Amanda Berry and Gina Dejesus she was brutally raped and tortured. For them it seemed there was no end in sight that is until May 6th, 2013. on camera]: Did it seem like any other day?
[Knight:] For me, it was the most awesome day ever, but it was also terrifying at the same time. Because me and Gina, we actually thought somebody was breaking in.
[Cooper:] You heard what, noises down stairs?
[Knight:] Yes.
[Cooper:] What happened?
[Knight:] There was a crash, pounding on doors. Then we didn't hear no sound.
[Cooper:] Did you know that Amanda had run out of the house?
[Knight:] No. We didn't have no clue. Whatsoever that she had taken off.
[Cooper:] Did you know that he was gone?
[Knight:] Well, yes, we knew he was gone somewhere, but we thought it was a trick. You know, like he was just in the backyard, but he was waiting for somebody to be stupid.
[Cooper:] But this time, it wasn't a trick and Amanda Barry was able to break through the front door with her 6-year-old daughter, Joslyn.
[Amanda Berry:] Hello, police. Help me, I'm Amanda Berry. 911
[Operator:] Do you need police, fire or ambulance?
[Berry:] I need police. 911
[Operator:] OK. What's going on there?
[Berry:] I've been kidnapped and missing for ten years. I'm here, I'm free now.
[Cooper:] The police arrived, but inside their boarded up bedroom, Michele and Gina were hiding from what they thought were burglars.
[Knight:] I hear a noise but anybody can say police. Then I noticed some form of a big person. I was like OK, maybe this might be, and I see a badge. I see numbers and then I hear the police radio. I just said, I ran right into her arms, and I literally choked her.
[Cooper:] To the police woman's arms?
[Knight:] Yes.
[Cooper:] Do you remember saying anything?
[Knight:] I said please don't let me go. Please don't put me down.
[Cooper:] You actually were in her arms?
[Knight:] Yes, I actually had my legs wrapped around her and my arms like this. She was like that girl literally choked me and then when
[Cooper:] Did it seem real to you?
[Knight:] At that time, no. It didn't. It seemed unreal.
[Cooper:] What's the past year been like?
[Knight:] Amazing. Overwhelming but amazing as hell.
[Cooper:] What's it like to I mean, to have friends, to have a life? To be able to be the person you want to be?
[Knight:] It's amazing. It's something that I never thought I would have.
[Bolduan:] Unbelievable, the fact that she survived it. She didn't believe that they could actually be free. She thought it was a trick at first. The fact they survived all those years, an amazing story she should be able to tell and tell and tell and I want to listen to it again and again.
[Cuomo:] She looked at him in open court and said her brave words, tried to take the power from him and let him know that, that was a big moment. Coming up on NEW DAY, a sickening reminder of the danger those hundreds of kidnapped girls face. Boko Haram brutally attacking villagers, killing 300 people. Nigeria responding with America's help. Is it already too late? We hope not.
[Bolduan:] Plus a Mother's Day moment times a million. The speech you just cannot get enough of. Kevin Durant's mother joining us live to talk about her son, the NBA's MVP and what it took to get there.

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Ray Rice is back in the game, winning his appeal against that indefinite suspension. But will the NFL star ever play again?
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] A Thanksgiving calm in Ferguson did not last long as new clashes break out overnight between police and protesters.
[Paul:] And there is a big job opening at the top of the military. We're digging into who might fill Chuck Hagel's shoes and the story behind his departure. I hope Saturday has been good to you so far. Thank you for sharing some time with us. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. It's 10:00 here on the east coast, 7:00 out west. You are in the CNN Newsroom.
[Paul:] And we begin with the morning with the news that Ray Rice is free to return to the
[Nfl. Blackwell:] Yes. And it's coming months after his fight with his now wife and shot the league's domestic abuse issues into the national spotlight. The former Ravens' running back appealed his indefinite suspension and won. And that means effective immediately he's free to play football again if the team wants to sign him.
[Paul:] What it came down to is this. The judge and arbitrator Barbara Jones ruled that NFL Commissioner Goodell never should have increased Rice's original two-game suspension because the running back did not lie to the league about hitting Janay in an elevator.
[Blackwell:] And the timing is interesting because it's coming out as Janay is now opening up about what happened that night in February in Atlantic City. Here's what she told NBC's "Today" show.
[Janay Rice, Wife Of Former Ravens Player Ray Rice:] I was furious. We came home and we didn't talk the entire ride. Well, I didn't speak to him the entire ride home. He tried to talk to me. I didn't want to hear anything. I just knew he hit me and I was completely over it. I was done. I didn't want to hear anything. I just didn't want to entertain him anything he had to say, any explanation. Of course in the back of my mind and in my heart I knew our relationship wouldn't be over because I know that this isn't us and it's not him.
[Paul:] Joining us CNN sports contributor and "USA Today" sports columnist Christine Brennan on the phone and Rick Horrow, a sports business analyst and the CEO of Horrow's Sports Ventures. Thank you both so much for being with us. Christine, I wanted to get to you. What teams, I mean, is there any gauge what teams might actually want to sign Rice?
[Christine Brennan, "usa Today" Sports Columnist:] Christi, that is a really interesting question. And the question would also be not only a football question but also a public relations question. Does a team want to take on potential protests and all the things that we saw in September as it bubbled to the surface as people got furious about this knowledge and seeing the video and really coming to terms with what domestic violence looked like in our country, not just in sports but in our country? So the question, a couple teams come to mind who need running backs and who could be a good fit. The Indianapolis Colts, the Cleveland Browns, the St. Louis Rams. Potentially the Oakland Raiders would have been a great fit if their former owner Al Davis were still alive because he would he did anything possible that he could to take it to the NFL. But of course Al Davis is gone. So the key question is, is it worth the risk for the public relations nightmare that you are going to bring on to your team?
[Blackwell:] Let me ask you this, Rick, broadening this out a little bit. What does this mean for the future of consequences and suspensions possibly for NFL players? Do you think we'll see more harsh and more strict consequences early on, or will there be some delay until they learn more?
[Rick Horrow, Ceo Horrow Sports Ventures:] Let me first say quickly that Christine and I know each other well. We graduated from the same school the same year. And I think it's fair to say that we have as much chance collectively being signed by an NFL franchise as a running back this year as Ray Rice does, maybe a little more frankly. We may be wrong. I may be wrong, but the guy, 3.6 yards a carry last year. He's 27 years old. You know, maybe next year. But the important thing here is that the NFL's process was viewed by Judge Barbara Jones in an arbitration hearing as arbitrary because he would have been punished according to articles 46 of the CBA twice for the same incident. And so it really calls out for that clear, consistent, certifiable, transparent, above reproach policy both off and on the field before the Super Bowl that Roger Goodell talked about. So you talk about waiting, Victor. I think every leaguing, not just the NFL, is waiting for that transparent policy because until that happens, all commissioners have to say if they are the judge, jury, and, as she says, maybe even executioner, it's calling that process into question until that standard is created. That's the most important takeaway.
[Paul:] All right, so Christine, let me ask you this. We're hearing from Janay the first time. I believe Ray Rice is speaking as well today. How might that influence the possibility of him signing with anybody?
[Brennan:] I'm not so sure it is going to have much of an influence. I completely agree with my friend Rick, and I look forward to seeing you, Rick, in shoulder pads in a Colts uniform. But I think that the odds are remote. He is going to be 28. That's the other thing to consider here. Of course the shelf life for any NFL player, any professional athlete is very short. So in two months Ray Rice will be 28. And that is old in the NFL and in NFL years. And he had his worst year ever last year. But I do think that the public relations campaign is beginning, as it should. Everyone made so many mistakes. As a culture we've made mistakes in not understanding what domestic violence is. This isn't just an NFL problem. It is a national problem. But I don't think in other words, you're asking me would it matter to an NFL team right now that they are speaking out? I don't know. I don't think so. I think that it's going to be hard for Ray Rice to pick up his career whenever he tries to do it, but there may be a team that says sure, let's roll the dice and let's go for it.
[Blackwell:] Let's read the statement we have from the league. "Judge Jones ruling underscores the urgency of our work to develop and implement a clear, fair, and comprehensive new personal conduct policy. We expect this policy to be completed and announced in the weeks ahead. Our focus is on consistently enforcing an improved policy going forward. Let's talk about the man at the top. What does this mean if anything for Roger Goodell, Rick?
[Horrow:] It certainly means that he is under the gun very quickly to create that policy that he promised in September. You are looking at his transcript and he says that everyone deserves a fair process but we will implement a new conduct policy before the Super Bowl. Anheuser-Busch, nearly $200 million of advertising around the Super Bowl. Super Bowl ads are sold, as we know, for $4.5 million this year, 90 percent sold out. And I know the Super Bowl shouldn't be the be all and end all because there ease been an important social issue. We're talking about this beyond the NFL, a 2,000 percent increase in help line calls. But every league now has a social responsibility here as long as this policy is consistent. And Roger Goodell, the clock is ticking not just because of you but Visa, Anheuser-Busch, Campbell Soup, and everybody else who spends money with the
[Nfl. Blackwell:] All right, we'll see what happens and when we get the new information about that policy. Rick Horrow, Christine Brennan, thank you both.
[Brennan:] Thank you very much.
[Horrow:] Bye-bye.
[Paul:] Thank you. We need to talk about Ferguson, Missouri, right now because we are about three hours at this point away from the start of a protest march to honor slain teenager Michael Brown. Demonstrators are planning to spend the next seven days walking 120 miles to the governor's mansion in Jefferson City. There is the route.
[Blackwell:] So this march comes just a day after protesters and officers clashed outside the police station in Ferguson. At least 16 people were arrested overnight. And our Stephanie Elam is there live in Ferguson for us. Stephanie, talk about the goals, if you would, of this this march. What are they hoping to accomplish?
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, good morning, Victor. There are some plans here that are focusing on police brutality and also about racial profiling. That's the overarching message that they want to focus on. But this march, starting from the Canfield Green Apartments where Mike Brown was shot and killed and marching to the Missouri governor's mansion, the focus is also going to be on Ferguson police. They say that the relationship there between the police and the community needs to be addressed, it needs some reform there. And they are also calling for the resignation of the police chief, Chief Jackson. They want him to step down as well. And this is a drum beat that we've heard before, and it's coming back. And also when you take a look at the protests that we've seen last night as well, there were 16 people arrested but only one of those people was actually from the St. Louis area. Everyone else was from a different state. So you are seeing different people here are also fatigued with the amount of attention in Ferguson, but a lot of protesters I spoke to said that they were going to keep the drum beat going and keep protesting because they thing this issue is so important that it should not go away even though we know the fate of the Officer Darren Wilson and the fact that he was not indicted.
[Paul:] All right, Stephanie Elam live for us there in Ferguson, Missouri. Thank you, Stephanie.
[Blackwell:] All right, up next we're talking about the role of race in Ferguson. One of our guests coming up says that it is not about black rage. It is white rage.
[Paul:] Plus another police shooting, this time in Cleveland. A 12- year-old boy is dead and the community and police are reacting. We'll tell you what's happening right after the break. Stay close.

[Sciutto:] Anger spilled over into the streets of Jerusalem once again today. The death of a Palestinian teenager has ignited tensions still simmering after three Israeli teens were killed. Dozens of Palestinians threw stones at Israeli security forces. They responded with rubber bullets and stun grenades. At least 10 Palestinian protesters were injured. Senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman joins us now from Jerusalem. I know, Ben, you've been in the middle of this since the start of it all. Have you sensed the temperature coming down at all or is this still a very tense situation?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] No, no decrease in the temperature, Jim. Things are still very tense in east Jerusalem specifically. The neighborhood of Shofat we saw is yet again, for hours upon hours, Palestinian youth throwing rocks and bottles at Israeli police who fired back with tear gas, rubber bullets and stun grenades. This really has been going on almost around the clock. Overnight, there were even more clashes, not just in that part of Jerusalem, but in a variety of other neighborhoods of the city as well. They're really until, for instance, we're waiting, Jim, for the body to be brought of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khudair, who his body was found yesterday morning in a Jerusalem forest. The family is waiting for the body to come back and then there's going to be a very large funeral. Now, they did request that the funeral procession be allowed to go from the Hadamasharifer, the temple mount, back to their home in northern Jerusalem. The police apparently refused out of fear that this could result in even more civil disturbances. So probably that funeral will be held in their neighborhood. But nonetheless, we are expecting thousands, if not tens of thousands to people of people to turn out for this funeral and afterwards clashes are inevitable. Jim.
[Sciutto:] Another potential flash point. Just to remind our viewers, this is not in the West Bank or in Gaza Strip, this is in Jerusalem, a place a lot of people visit where this is taking place. I know you spoke to the father of the Palestinian teenager who was killed. Who does he blame for his son's death and what is he saying about the violence that this has sparked?
[Wedeman:] Well, he is blaming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying that he's whipped up emotions among Israelis and that he's done very little to punish those who have been involved in attacks upon Palestinians. Keeping in mind that just hours after the funeral took place for those three Israeli teenagers whose bodies were discovered Monday afternoon, that there was a very large march of Israelis through the center of town resulting in attacks on at least six Palestinians. So there's a feeling that emotions are extremely high on both sides. Now, the father did not condemn the clashes that are really happening just around the corner from his house and I think they see it within the context of the decades-old Israeli Palestinian conflict. Jim.
[Sciutto:] Yes, someone's got to step in there and turn down the temperature, encourage people to go home. Thanks very much to Ben Wedeman live in Jerusalem. Still to come, it is a case that has made national headlines. A toddler dies after his father leaves him in a hot SUV for seven hours. A judge will hear testimony on whether to grant Justin Ross Harris bail. We are there live. And the first hurricane of the Atlantic season is on track to make landfall right on the Fourth of July. We'll tell you where it is likely to hit and how strong those winds will be. That's coming right up.

[Brown:] Oklahoma City's Kevin Durant NBA's Most Valuable Player of the Year, but didn't accept his trophy without leaving one woman in particular in tears. She wasn't the only one. His mother, right here you see her, overwhelmed with emotion last night as her son, Kevin, gave her what may be the most memorable Mother's Day gift of her life, thanking her for years of sacrifice for him and his brother and told the world she's the real MVP.
[Durant:] And, last, my mom. I don't think you know what you did. You had my brother when you were 18-years-old. Three years later I came out. The odds were stacked against us, single parent with two boys by the time you were 21-years-old. We weren't supposed to be here. You made us believe. You kept us off the street, put clothes on our backs, food on the table. When you didn't eat, you made sure we ate. You went to sleep hungry, you sacrificed for us and you're the real MVP.
[Brown:] Wanda Pratt joins me now from Oklahoma City. Wanda, I was watching you as your son spoke there again, and it looks like you were getting choked up listening to him. I can't imagine how that must have felt. Even for me watching it, I was overcome with emotion. Tell me what that was like to hear those heartfelt words from your son.
[Wanda Pratt, Kevin Durant's Mother:] It was overwhelming. The thing that resonated is that I remember exactly what he's talking about, and it was really heartwarming that he remembered. And I didn't know that it was a part of him never giving up. I was not expecting to be honored in the manner in which he did, so it was all very surprising to me.
[Brwon:] So you said you were surprised when he talked about that everyone said we weren't supposed to be here. He talked about that moment and the apartment when there was no furniture, you were all huddled together holding each other. Had you ever talked about that before? What did he mean by that?
[Pratt:] No. It was the first apartment that I had as a single mom. We shared a home with my mother, and my mother had encouraged me and pushed me in telling me it was time for me to stand on my own with my children. And I was afraid at that time. And there that was the first apartment that we had. All of our belongings hadn't been brought into the home yet, but I had taken the boys there so that they could see that this is where we were going to be staying and this was our new home. We just sat there and kind of held each other and they were really excited about it, just as I was.
[Brown:] Wow. And then when Kevin got drafted, Wanda, what did that mean for you?
[Pratt:] It meant that all of the hard work that he had put in really paid off, and he was living out his dreams and I knew that he had worked really hard. He had worked literally from age 8 or 9 to get to that point, and it paid off for him. I was really happy that he was able to live out his dreams.
[Brown:] He made it clear, Wanda, you were instrumental in his success. Were you aware of that? Did you know how big of an impact you had on your son?
[Pratt:] No, I did not. I've always known excuse me that my sons love me, but I didn't know that it was such a part of his foundation of who he become as a man. I tried to instill the best that I could and it seemed that it did resonate with him, so I'm really grateful for that. But it was a surprise to me.
[Brown:] And it's incredible when he talked about the fact you were 18 when you had your first son, 21 when you had him. I can't imagine how difficult it was for you being a young, single working mother. What was that like for you, raising Kevin Durant, a huge NBA star. What was that like?
[Pratt:] It was in the early years it was really scary. But I'm thankful for my mom because she did, she pushed me and knew I had to stand before my children in a manner in which I could be honored and respected, so I accepted the challenge. I knew that they depended upon me. I knew that they looked to me for all of the answers. They looked to me for
[Brown:] Wanda Pratt we have I hate to interrupt you. We have to go to the next hour, but we commend you. We commend all the other hard, single working moms out there.

[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] And Nic, Secretary Kerry said something surprising this weekend about a different topic. He described a willingness to sit down with Syria's Bashar al-Assad. Listen to this.
[John Kerry, U.s. Secretary Of State:] Everybody agrees, there is no military solution. There is only a political solution. I am convinced with the efforts of our allies and others, there will be increased pressure on Assad.
[Unidentified Female:] And you'd be willing to negotiate with him?
[Kerry:] Well, we have to negotiate in the end.
[Camerota:] Nic, did the secretary explain that shift, or the seeming shift in strategy?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, he certainly sounds like a different tone. I mean, a year and a half ago, it was Assad must go. He is no longer the legitimate leader of the country. But what the State Department is saying is what Secretary Kerry meant in the context of the Geneva talks of 2013, which haven't made progress, that the outcome of a successful outcome of those talks would be talks, essentially, with the Syrian leadership, President Bashar al-Assad, which would then lead to a change in the new government there, and he would move away from a position of power. But what the Secretary Kerry also said over the weekend in the context of this, is that, you know, additional pressure will be brought to bear on the Syrian leadership. But look, I was at those talks in January late last year that didn't work. The expectation from the U.S.-European side was that the Russians will put more pressure on President Bashar al-Assad to make a compromise. That didn't happen then. And look, the relationship between the United States and the Europeans against or with the Russians, if you will, on the other side, has only gotten worse. Where that expected pressure is expected to come from on Assad to make a compromise, that's not clear, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] OK. Nic Robertson, thanks so much for all of that. Meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu locked in the fight of his political life. After his controversial speech to Congress, calling for a tougher nuclear deal with Iran, his numbers have been slipping in Israel. The latest polls show him trailing Labour Party leader Isaac Herzog as Israelis prepare to head to the polls tomorrow. CNN's Oren Lieberman in Jerusalem for us with the latest. What's it looking like today, Oren?
[Oren Lieberman, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Alisyn, Benjamin Netanyahu is very aware of those polls. In the final round of polling before the elections, he is four seats behind his main rival, Isaac Herzog of the left-wing Zionist Union party. He knows he has to close that gap. Now four seats isn't that big of a gap. The significance party is this was the biggest gap we've seen so far. Just a few weeks ago, this was neck and neck. This was 23, 24 seats a piece. Now it's that four-seat gap that Netanyahu sees in these critical final days. Now these final hours before the election, Netanyahu came out. He's made a number of these final appearance in these last few days. He came out last night to the central square in Tel Aviv, which is Itzak Rabin Square, firing up a right-wing rally. His supporters, tens of thousands of them, filling the square. He knows what he has to do is close that gap. Because of way Israeli politics works, and how the Knesset works, he doesn't need to win the election to be the next prime minister, and that's where he's a master politician, a master deal-maker. And he knows that if he gets the chance, he can probably create a coalition government. But Michaela, the critical part here for Benjamin Netanyahu is he has to close that gap or he may not get the chance to create the next coalition government. So it all comes down to him for voter turnout. Michaela, at the end of his speech last night, he urged his right-wing supporters out on election day, starting in just a few hours here in Israel.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] As you said, Oren, the political fight of his life. Thanks so much for that. Well, quite a tangled web right now in the Middle East. Want to turn to Aaron David Miller. He's the president for new initiatives and a distinguished scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center, former are the man to wade through all of this. Please help us make sense of it all.
[Aaron David Miller, Woodrow Wilson International Center:] Sure. I will try. Where do you want to start?
[Pereira:] I want to start with the talks that are going on right now at this hour. We are hearing from the British foreign minister this morning, saying closer but a long way to go. Two weeks until the deadline. This is the first time they're sitting face-to-face since that letter from the 47 senators. What do you sense is happening in there? How important are these negotiation at this key point?
[Miller:] There are a lot of negotiations for a long time. And there's a certain ebb and flow and rhythm to them.
[Pereira:] OK.
[Miller:] Deadlines and urgency go together. And I think you're reaching a critical critically important point, a kind of put up or shut down point, which is probably the end of March. Something needs to emerge, a political framework, a basic agreement on general principles. Something to demonstrate that the last two years hasn't been empty and wasted. At the same time and my sense is they're moving toward that at the same time, you know, in a final stage negotiation, you usually have three or four issues that need to be closed. This time you've got at least ten. And they're not simply dotting the "I's" and crossing the "T's." They're big issues, a lot to do and not to mention the domestic politics on both sides and Iran's behavior in the region on so many other issues. No more complicated negotiation I don't think I've seen.
[Pereira:] You said that it's the toughest one you've seen. I want to speak of some of these domestic issues. Tom Cotton, the sophomore the freshman congressman from Arkansas, essentially doubling down over the weekend, saying he does not regret instigating that letter to the Iranian ayatollah. The White House press corps is saying, "Hey, let it play out the way it's going to play out." How damaging is all of this? The domestic issues?
[Miller:] I think it's really hard for a negotiator.
[Pereira:] Yes.
[Miller:] There's no question that it's hard. It makes it much more more difficult. But look, let me be very clear. Congress shouldn't be running American foreign policy, but in my judgment, having worked for the State Department for almost 25 years, the State Department shouldn't have a monopoly on foreign policy either. The reality is this is a critically important agreement, which is going to endure for a decade plus. Congress has to have some input, if only, I would argue, to work with the administration to ensure that, if Iran violates the agreement, that there will be snap-back sanctions or even the threat of the use of force. And that can only come if you strike a durable deal between the administration and Congress. That's obviously not going to happen in the next two weeks; probably not in the next 22 months.
[Pereira:] Oren Lieberman just talking about the Israeli elections being held tomorrow. I want to ask you about that, because I know you've written extensively about it. What do you see happening in a race that seems too close to call?
[Miller:] You know, a fifth of the Israeli electorate a day before the elections, less than that, are now undecided. The last time I tried to predict an election was in April of '96, where working for Bill Clinton, we were all persuaded that Shimon Peres would beat you guessed it Benjamin Netanyahu. And we were all wrong. The reality is if we were a beauty contest only question of votes polled, it would be one thing. But it's assembly of that coalition and the natural partners of the 11 or 12 parties that are now competing align more with Benjamin Netanyahu than they do with Isaac Hertzog, the head of the Zionist Union. We haven't had a Labour Party prime minister in 16 years. And at the same time 70, 75 percent of the Israeli public, according to latest polls, wants a change. So again, I don't want to run for the hills on this thing, but I'm not making any predictions. It will take at least a month, Michaela.
[Pereira:] So a quick final thought from you. So if a new government is brought in, a new leader, What does that change U.S.-Israel relations?
[Miller:] Well, there's no that is the one area where you're going to see a real transformation. I guarantee you, if Benjamin Netanyahu loses, they'll be popping the champagne corks at Foggy Bottom and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
[Pereira:] Aaron David Miller, always great to have you with us. Thanks so much for sharing your bright, bright mind with us.
[Miller:] Always a pleasure, Michaela.
[Pereira:] We appreciate it. Happy Monday. We're going to get the latest on the nuclear negot negotiations, I can say it at least I'm not involved in it, thank goodness in our 8 a.m. hour. We're going to welcome the spokeswoman for the State Department, Jen Psaki.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] All right. An estranged member of an influential New York real estate family is now behind bars in a cold- case killing of a longtime friend. Robert Durst is being profiled in an HBO documentary. Right at the end of it all, there was an apparent confession caught on video. For the latest developments, let's go live to CNN's Jean Casarez in New Orleans this morning. This is crazy, Jean.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] John, we're right here at the Criminal Justice Center in New Orleans. And in just a few hours, Robert Durst will come face-to-face with a judge. And he is no stranger to the criminal justice system. It was just over a decade ago he was acquitted of first-degree murder charges out of Texas. And now he faces those very same charges in Los Angeles, in regard to the slaying of a confidante and best friend in Beverly Hills.
[Robert Durst, Murder Suspect:] What the hell did I do? Killed them all, of course.
[Casarez:] An explosive comment by real estate heir Robert Durst caught on a live mic, ending HBO's six-part documentary series "The Jinx."
[Durst:] There it is. You're caught.
[Casarez:] What he means unclear. But these are the words of a man who police say is a cold-case murder suspect. Durst whispering to himself in a bathroom after his final interview for the special, which challenges the audience to decide whether the 71-year-old son of one of the most powerful real-estate tycoons in New York City is responsible for the disappearance of his wife in 1982, the murder of a close friend in 2000, and a neighbor in 2001.
[Durst:] I mean, the writing looks similar.
[Casarez:] In the final episode, the filmmakers confront Durst after uncovering a letter written by the millionaire to long- time friend and crime novelist Susan Berman. Berman was found shot dead inside her L.A. home over 14 years ago. The handwriting and misspelling of her address eerily similar to a letter written to police, telling them where to find the body. Durst denying he wrote it.
[Durst:] What I see as a similarity is really the misspelling in the "Beverly." Other than that, the block letters are block letters.
[Casarez:] Police arresting the heir Saturday at a New Orleans hotel, now held on a capital murder charge in Berman's death, citing additional evidence that has come to light in the past year. It is unclear what role the documentary played, the millionaire's attorney telling FOX News he was underwhelmed by the new developments revealed in the six-part series, including his ramblings in the bathroom.
[Durst:] He was right. I was wrong.
[Chip Lewis, Attorney For Robert Durst:] L.A. County's got a case. We'll address those facts in the courtroom. But generally speaking, I was underwhelmed.
[Casarez:] The millionaire has long maintained that he did not kill Berman or his wife, who has never been found. And we do want to say that CNN and HBO are both owned by Time Warner. We reached out to HBO to ask them if, when and how they contacted law enforcement with regard to the information that they gained from this documentary. They have not responded to our questions. And a law enforcement source that was briefed on this case says that the FBI had been tracking Robert Durst, that he arrived in New Orleans last Tuesday, March 10. And they arrested him late Saturday night. They believed he was very close to leaving the country, bound for Cuba Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Jean, such a spine-tingling and intriguing case. We're going to be speaking to the judge in that, one of the cases coming up to get more details. Jean Casarez, thanks, so much. Also this: three British teenagers facing terrorism charges after their alleged plan to join ISIS in Syria was foiled in Turkey. Turkish authorities detaining the teens after a tip-off from Britain that they were missing and believed to be traveling to Syria. The two 17-year-olds and a 19-year-old now free on bail. Now this comes weeks after three other female British teenagers left their homes in London and are thought to be with ISIS in Syria.
[Berman:] So this just in. The wait is over, Russian President Vladimir Putin just re-appeared for the first time in 11 days. He did show up to a meeting with the president of Kyrgyzstan. You can see it happening right there. It happened in St. Petersburg. Now, he was gone for 11 days, disappeared from sight for 11 days, fueling all kinds of conspiracy theories about his health, among other things, frankly. Before the meeting, which was just minutes ago, the Russian leader remarked, "It would be boring without gossip," he said. Again, still unexplained, though, where he was for the last 11 days.
[Pereira:] He must have heard Berman was looking for you. We both have the same thought.
[Berman:] I have enormous sway...
[Camerota:] Certainly.
[Berman:] ... all around the globe.
[Pereira:] Got to show you guys this amazing video, spectacular crash in a drag race in Gainesville, Florida. Three-time high-rod champion Dixon airborne seconds after the start of his race, his Top Fuel car cut in half. Check this out, though. He is able to walk away from the wreck under his own power. He even waves to the crowd. Yes, amazing, he's in that portion there. You see the car split in half, fly airborne down the course. Unbelievable. Well, guess what? Larry Dixon joins us live in the next hour. We have so many questions to ask him about this crash, what went wrong, and more importantly, how he's feeling this morning.
[Berman:] That's a long way to go on NEW DAY. I'll stay right there.
[Camerota:] There are easier ways.
[Pereira:] Some people will try and get attention.
[Camerota:] So true. All right. Meanwhile, back to this crazy mysterious case. Could Robert Durst's recorded remarks about "killing them all" seal his fate in court? Is this a confession or is it inadmissible in court? We will be speaking to a judge who presided over the 2003 murder trial in which Durst was acquitted.
[Pereira:] And a confirmation vote set this week for Loretta Lynch is now off the table. Why the hold up? Well, politics, of course. John King will explain on "Inside Politics."

[Costello:] The Missouri governor Jay Nixon says he hopes and expects peace will prevail after a grand jury decision in Ferguson comes down and that his state of emergency declaration is a precaution against potential unrest. But more than 100 days since that fatal encounter between unarmed teenager Michael Brown and Officer Darren Wilson, unease is growing in the Missouri town as that critical grand jury announcement could come any day now. CNN's Stephanie Elam live in Ferguson this morning. Good morning.
[Elam:] Good morning, Carol. It does imply that we are probably getting closer to hearing what the grand jury has decided about the fate of Officer Darren Wilson, but some saying that the idea that the National Guard is going to be moved in here is actually just inciting stiffer relationships between police and protesters.
[Crowd:] Hands up, don't shoot.
[Elam:] Protesters in St. Louis braved frigid temperatures, taking to the streets, ahead of Missouri's governor declaring a state of emergency. Governor Jay Nixon anticipating expanded unrest if the grand jury decides not to indict Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, who shot and killed unarmed teen, Michael Brown, on August 9th. Governor Nixon activating the National Guard to assist the county police with securing Ferguson, bypassing the Ferguson police department. The mayor of St. Louis agreed with the decision.
[Francis Slay, Mayor Of St. Louis, Missouri:] We don't know what's going to happen or when it's going to happen, or, you know, what the decision is going to be, or what the reaction is going to be. I think we need to make sure that we are prepared.
[Benjamin Crump, Attorney For Michael Brown's Family:] Michael Brown's parents have asked that everybody who supports them do so in a nonviolent, peaceful constructive way.
[Elam:] For more than three months now, this entire area has been on edge. [on camera]: Are you worried about violence becoming an issue again?
[Max Peterson, Demonstrator:] I'm not really. By civilians or by police?
[Elam:] Whatever concerns you.
[Peterson:] I mean, the biggest concern is that something very small will happen, like a water bottle and that will lead to teargas or gunfire.
[Elam:] Last week, a law enforcement source says the FBI issued a bulletin to police across the nation, warning officers to be vigilant about possible violence related to Ferguson. Over the past few months, community leaders have complained that outsiders have instigated much of the violence. [on camera]: So when the grand jury comes out with its decision, what do you think is going to happen?
[Larry Fellows Iii, Demonstrator:] I honestly can't say. I can just speak about what we're going to continue to do as protesters until we get what we deserve, which is justice.
[Elam:] Now the protesters telling me they plan to be out here no matter what the decision is from the grand jury. They're saying that this is an issue larger than just what happened with Mike Brown and that there needs to be reform in the way that that police interact with people of color in this country, Carol.
[Costello:] All right, Stephanie Elam reporting live from Ferguson, Missouri, this morning. With me now, Maria Chappelle-Nadal, a Missouri state senator who represents Ferguson. Welcome.
[State Sen. Maria Chappelle-nadal , Missouri:] Good morning. How are you, Carol?
[Costello:] I'm good. Thank you so much for being with me. Governor Nixon has declared a state of emergency and has activated the National Guard. A good move in your mind?
[Chappelle-nadal:] Well, you know, I wish he paid attention to what was happening in Ferguson 102 days ago and I am a little bit concerned because he is indeed inciting the community I represent. In August, I sent a letter to the White House saying to the president, hey, listen, if we're going to have the National Guard, I trust the federal government to have authority over the National Guard rather than the state. Already the governor has had so many fumbles and we just can't afford any more of his mistakes.
[Costello:] If the federal government is in charge of security, though, wouldn't that incite things further?
[Chappelle-nadal:] Well, the governor at every single chance he gets and every basically every time he opens his mouth, he's inciting the community that I represent. And so I do have more faith in the federal government under President Obama than I do my own Democratic governor. So, yes, if we had federal oversight over our National Guard, we'd be doing much better. And, frankly, my constituents agree. They do not want Governor Nixon to have the authority over the National Guard at this point because they simply do not trust him.
[Costello:] Well, the governor is in a tight spot, as are local police agencies in the State of Missouri. There's this FBI bulletin out and frankly it's pretty scary when you read it. It says "law enforcement agencies across the country may be targeted by extremists who could be armed with bladed weapons, guns, gas masks, and bulletproof vests." So is it unreasonable that the governor is taking these steps in Ferguson?
[Chappelle-nadal:] That is not what our peaceful protests look like at all in Ferguson. The people who I have been lining up with side by side, we don't have guns or gas masks. It's the law enforcement that has all of that. And they're the ones who have
[Costello:] But there are outside agitators who come in. There was also a bulletin posted that it was online by a black separatist group. It offered a $5,000 bounty for the location of Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson. There are agitators that could be present in those protesters, and police have to be on guard.
[Chappelle-nadal:] Absolutely. So one of the things that we have done as protesters is to self-police. It's one of the fastest, easiest ways to get these outside agitators out. And we have been successful. When we learned that people were coming from out of the state to agitate, we started buckling down. We do not want violent people in our protests whatsoever. They are not welcome whatsoever. And we're going to continue to do self-policing in our crowds just to help out our law enforcement.
[Costello:] Are you talking about making citizens arrests?
[Chappelle-nadal:] We've done that already. From day one we were doing that. When there were people who were saying things in the crowd that they should not have said, or have done things, we literally put hands around them and told them to leave. And if they came back, they would be escorted out by someone or some people So we've been doing self-policing for a while now. But we have to maintain that effort.
[Costello:] Missouri state senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal, thank you so much for your insight this morning. I appreciate it.
[Chappelle-nadal:] Thank you so much, Carol.
[Costello:] The news hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts now.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Opening Bell has just rung on Wall Street and, guess what, the Dow is already down 100 points. So we're wondering why. Let's head to the New York Stock Exchange and Alison Kosik. Good morning.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Why? Well, we've got a litany of weak economic news. Weak earnings news first. A report, Carol, on regional manufacturing showing a big drop last month. What that's doing is raising concerns if the manufacturing sector is moving forward. How is it doing? Then we got earnings from Cisco and CEO John Chambers saying, look, the global economy is what he calls challenging and inconsistent. Cisco announcing that it's cutting thousands of jobs because of this uncertainty. Then you've got Wal-Mart. It cut its earnings, its sales outlook for the rest of the year. This really is a familiar story. The challenging economy. So you roll it all together. It doesn't paint a good picture. The economy clearly is still in a precarious position. We see it growing but it's not growing quickly. Yes, it's adding jobs, it's just not adding enough jobs. So news of more weakness, not just here, but abroad is causing investors to sell. Right now we see the Dow Jones 159 points, just about four minutes into the trading day. All 30 Dow components, all 30 Dow stocks are in the red. We are watching Cisco shares drop more than 6 percent. Carol, Wal-Mart shares down 2.5 percent Carol.
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[Costello:] All right. A bit more information on our breaking news this morning. President Obama set to make a statement on the violent and bloody situation that's going on in Egypt right now. Dan Lothian is in Martha's Vineyard where the president's vacationing. Any more word on exactly what the president will say?
[Dan Lothian, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Well, we know that the president will be speaking about the violence in Egypt. What's unclear at this point is whether or not he'll be announcing a policy shift. A couple of things outstanding. First of all, the White House has been unwilling to this point to label what happened in Egypt a coup, saying that it would not be in the best interest of the United States. So will the president shift on that? Also, the more than $1 billion in aid that the U.S. gives to Egypt each year had been under review. Will the president now come out and say that based on the review, based on the violence on the ground, that they now plan to halt that assistance to Egypt? We don't know. We await the president's remarks that will come in about 45 minutes or so. They're being taped. It's happening at the president's residence, which is about 20 or so minutes away from here in Chilmark. And so we'll wait to hear what the president has to say on this. Will he come out and just say that the U.S. condemns the violence, calling for restraint, calling for the military interim government to respect the rights of the people there, or will he come out with a shift in policy. And that's what we'll be waiting to hear.
[Costello:] All right, Dan Lothian. And, again, we we expect we'll be able to hear the president's statement around 10:15 Eastern Time. Still ahead in NEWSROOM a tearful Debbie Rowe tells the court how doctors took advantage of Michael Jackson. We'll be back.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. The president's plan to degrade and eventually destroy ISIS is moving forward this morning. The Senate approved a measure to train and arm Syrian rebels to fight back against the terror organization. The House signed off on the measure earlier this week. But there are still serious doubts about the president's strategy really coming from both sides of the aisle. At the same time, all the members of Congress, they've all now left for until the election in order to campaign for reelection. For more, let's discuss with Congressman Mike Rogers, a Republican from Michigan and of course the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Mr. Chairman, it's great to see you. Thanks for coming in.
[Rep. Mike Rogers , Chairman, House Intelligence Committee:] Thanks, Kate. Great to see you.
[Bolduan:] Thank you so much. I do want to ask you we've got a lot to get to about the threat against ISIS and the vote. But Dana was just on, just moments ago, and we were just talking about the simple fact and I know I've seen it every time when I was covering Capitol Hill November is a long way away. But still members of Congress, they voted and they ran for the exits, all of them saying, as they're leaving, "I want to have a debate. Why aren't we I'd be open to a vote. But no one's going to do it. So we're all going to leave town." You're now retiring, kind of relieved of that pressure, if you will. Why is Congress leaving if the threat from ISIS is so great?
[Rogers:] Well two things. I think we're going to see a vote when we get back. Certainly those I'm pushing for that vote after the election. I think a lot of folks are pushing for that vote. So this was the first phase. This is a phased campaign, if you will. If it was only training and equipping these rebels that we find and vet and train from Syria to go after ISIL, this plan is not going to work. It has to be bigger than that. And so I think you're going to see a phased approach. You're going to see increased kinetic action in Iraq. And you're going to see, I think, hopefully some degrading of their capabilities in Syria, as well as the training component. Because this is going to be five months. So this got it going. I don't you know, I would have liked to have had a vote before we left. Don't think we absolutely had to have one. It sent a very clear message to both our adversaries and our allies that we're serious; we're going to help fix this problem in the Middle East.
[Bolduan:] Many folks are still wondering, though, what is going to get done in the lame duck, that period of time between the election and the next session. Because the White House, at least so far, they're not asking for authorization, if you will. They keep saying we welcome a debate and we welcome a vote, but that's not calling for one. And also some of your Democratic colleagues who voted against the Syria vote, including Peter Welch, he said this he believes that everyone has been duped, that duped to think that they are actually going to get a war debate in the lame duck. He says this is an illusion. This was the vote.
[Rogers:] Well, I mean, I hope that's not the case. I think we I think Congress needs to act on this. I do think that we should give the president the authority to track down ISIL, whatever its name, whatever its new name is, wherever it is, because of the sheer threat of it. And I think that, A, says gives comfort to the American people, but it also gives pause to our enemy. And I think bucks up our allies. I think this is an important thing to do, and I think legally it's an important thing to do. And I hope Congress doesn't abdicate its responsibility to weigh in on this very, very important issue. If we believe it's a threat to the United States, I do. If we believe it's a threat to Western Europe, our allies you saw what happened in Australia with the plot to decapitate. This is as serious as it gets. We need to be serious about it. We need to have that debate. We need to give the president the authority. He may not use it all, but we should give him the authority to do what he needs to do to beat this group. I think it's so important that we do that.
[Bolduan:] Mr. Chairman, if you were a betting man, what do you think the chances are that that debate and that vote is actually going to happen in the lame duck? There is surely, definitely many ways to figure a way out of having that vote.
[Rogers:] Yes, there's a reason I'm not a betting man, Kate, aAnd that's because I would lose my back side, as my dad used to say. I worry you know, I think it's probably 5050 at this point. And I think we're going to have a lot of members are pushing for it. I think we're going to have to continue to push for it after the election and see where it goes. I think the longer the president the president gets in his way on these policies sometimes. You know, the day when we're getting ready to vote on the plan, he goes out and lays out the things he wouldn't do. I think that we all I think that hurts the president's chance of people thinking it's going to be successful. That's why I think you'll see a better a little better than 50 percent chance that you'll get a vote on this in the lame duck.
[Bolduan:] I think the lingering important question following these votes is this it's official, the White House has the go-ahead and the green light to arm and train the Syrian rebels to take on ISIS. But there are real doubts amongst Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill and beyond about the moderate opposition how much we know about them, how well the administration can vet them, and how much they can be trusted. You know more from your position as a chairman of the House Intelligence Committee than many, than most everyone. What is your level of confidence in the Syrian rebels?
[Rogers:] First of all, this notion of moderate rebels, we should probably tamp that back a little bit. There's many of the folks are still Islamists. They're opposition, they're maybe pro-Western or at least not anti-Western. I wouldn't use the term moderate necessarily. But think about the cauldron that's in Syria today. You have al Sham, you have al Nusra, which is an al Qaeda affiliate, Hezbollah, which is the Iranian version of a state-sponsored terrorist organizations running around in Syria. It is a mess. So one day these rebels will get up and fight the Assad regime. The next day, they're getting up, they're literally fighting ISIL fighters and al Nusra fighters in different battles. So from that group of that individual those group of individuals and, you know, we have some sense now, better than we did six months ago, about which individuals we think would have a very good chance of being trained to be in a status better than the enemy and allow them to go in and fight against ISIL. I think that this can work, but it can't work by itself. It has to be in a conjunction with other parts of the plan.
[Bolduan:] I'm also getting new reporting I want to get your take on coming from our justice correspondent, Pamela Brown, about the other groups, about the al Qaeda cell in Syria, Khorasan. I may not even be saying it correct and that shows just how little we know about this group. What do you know about this group and the threat that they are very seriously still looking at aviation as a way to target the West?
[Rogers:] Well, we've talked about before the forward-deployed al Qaeda elements. This certainly would fit that criteria. So what we knew and we still know is that al Nusra is that al Qaeda affiliate, and we know that they are very, very interested in conducting an what they would call an external attack. So outside of their operating region in Syria, meaning the West. We know that there's been relationships between al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, where that technology, if you will, is being developed to try to get bombs on aircrafts. And these folks certain al Qaeda operatives, sprinkled around,if you will. And so I think the threat is very, very serious; it's the most immediate threat that we face.
[Bolduan:] Even more than
[Isis. Rogers:] when we look at more immediate. It doesn't mean less, it just means more immediate. I believe that it's a more immediate threat. So this one is something they absolutely want to do. And, remember, they are very eager to get, in their terms, points on the board, if you will, on a terrorist attack to show the world they're still the leading jihadist organization. And that's what's so concerning about it. And then you see these relationships that happen, you know, it's something that we need to worry about. And oh, by the way, we need to worry about ISIL as well.
[Bolduan:] Mr. Chairman, just an example of how big your job is. And I know that you're retiring, but how big your job still is until that day comes. Congressman Mike Rogers, it was great to see you. Thank you.
[Rogers:] Thanks. Until that second hand sweeps across the 12, I think I'll be worried about it.
[Bolduan:] I think so. I think you're right, and probably beyond. Thank you, sir. A court decision in Kansas could be a game-changer in a big Senate race and decide which party takes control of the chamber. John King is going to explain, "INSIDE POLITICS". And the allegations against Cardinals running back Jonathan Dwyer now coming to light. Police say that he broke his wife's nose with a headbutt. How can the NFL get control of the domestic violence issue? We're going to ask the women, the woman whose story inspired the film "The Blind Side", to get her take.

[Wolf Blitzer:] Jim, thanks very much. Happening now, the mystery of Flight 370 a whole new search zone. That's the target as aircraft get ready to take off for a fresh sweep of the area momentarily. Based on analysis showing the airliner could not have flown as far as originally thought, the search area moves hundreds of miles to the northeast. Objects spotted five planes quickly locate possible debris in the new search area. Their information immediately sent for analysis, as ships are moving in for a closer look. And pilot versus autopilot we have new details on the background of the airliner's captain, plus, a look at how ground controllers might automatically take charge of an airliner if there's trouble in the cockpit. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. We begin with a stunning new turn in the hunt for Flight 370. Here are the latest developments. Forget the old search zone, there's a new search zone, 680 miles to the northeast, much closer to Australia. Authorities say a new analysis of data shows the airliner could not have flown as far as previously thought. Planes which were unable to confirm satellite images in the old search zone have already spotted multiple objects in the new area. We're awaiting the results of the scrutiny of those photos. We hope to get those results shortly. Right now, aircraft are getting ready to return to the search zone. China says one of its ships has arrived in the new area. Authorities hope it can retrieve at least some of the objects. Other ships, they are on the way right now. Our analysts and reporters, they're all standing by here in Washington, as well as around the world, with the kind of special coverage that only CNN can deliver. Let's begin with our aviation correspondent, Rene Marsh, for the very latest Rene.
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, as you just said, today, a sudden shift in focus. Again, this search zone has moved. And authorities say that's thanks to a credible lead. That lead? More analysis of existing data, with an entirely new search zone in play. Does that mean crews wasted time searching the wrong area for more than a week?
[Marsh:] The new zone, roughly 123,000 square miles, larger than the State of New York and 300 miles closer to the Australian coastline, a shorter trip for search planes.
[Unidentified Male:] This is our best estimate of the area in which the aircraft is likely to have crashed into the ocean.
[Marsh:] So why change everything three weeks after the plane disappeared? More radar and satellite analysis makes investigators believe the plane was flying faster than previously thought as it moved between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca. A faster fuel burn early on means the plane can't go as far. But what about those satellite pings that first led searchers to the South Indian Ocean? Investigators say since the plane went faster, it used more fuel and there's no way it had enough gas to make it to the bottom of this arc. So now the search moves to the northeast.
[John Young, Australia Maritime Safety Authority:] It is now the most credible lead as to where debris may be located.
[Marsh:] Critics suggest we've heard that before. Previous leads such as satellite images of floating objects near the old search area, were called credible, too.
[Unidentified Male:] This area seems to corroborate some form of objects and debris. We have now had a number of very credible leads.
[Marsh:] None of them led to Flight 370. But Malaysian authorities still think they could be relevant.
[Unidentified Male:] Because of ocean drift, this new search area could still be consistent with the potential objects identified by various satellite images.
[Marsh:] The hunt for Flight 370 started in the South China Sea, moved to the Strait of Malacca before expanding into the Andaman Sea and Northern Indian Ocean. Then came these arcs, the search stretching from South Kazakhstan to the South Indian Ocean. But even more data analysis refocused the search on the South Indian Ocean, until now. Were the last eight days of searching the old area a waste of time? Australian officials say no.
[Young:] This is the normal business of search and rescue operations that new information comes to light, refined analyses take you to a different place. I don't count the original work a waste of time.
[Marsh:] All right. Well, meanwhile, today the NTSB had a show and tell at its laboratory here in Washington, DC, where Flight 370's black boxes may may be examined if and when they are recovered. You're looking at video from that show and tell. And the lab examines 650 flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders a year. About a third of them come from foreign governments. They're very hopeful that they'll be able to recover some information, if and when it's recovered. And someone actually asked, you know, what has been your luck as far as pulling information out of it If it's been submerged in water for a long period of time? Again, very hopeful. They couldn't think of a time when they weren't able to pull information off.
[Blitzer:] And this is it, a little a small box like this, what they're searching for. The so-called black box, which is really orange, the flight data recorder. They've got a huge search underway. And there's that pinging is only going to go on if the batteries are still working.
[Marsh:] Right.
[Blitzer:] Maybe another 10 days or so. Rene, stand by. Thank you. Let's bring in our aviation a lot, Miles O'Brien, along with our CNN aviation analyst, Peter Goelz, a former NTSB managing director, CNN law enforcement analyst, the former FBI assistant director, Tom Fuentes. Let's start with you Peter. So is this new area the real deal or is this another false hope?
[Peter Goelz, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, I think it's the best deal that they can come up with today. I mean this is all new territory. The analysis is difficult. The analysis hasn't been done before. They had a fresh set of eyes looking at the data. They did it in a more extensive way. This is their best call right now. We've got to pursue it.
[Blitzer:] Tom, what do you think?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] I think the same thing. And also, you know, they're finding debris in the area with the airplanes rather than just five day old satellite images. So that's hopeful.
[Blitzer:] Yes, how long does it take, Miles, a pilot flying over, they see something white or something gray or whatever, how long should it take to determine, is wreckage from the plane?
[O'brien:] Well, I mean once you get a ship on site, it should be very easy.
[Blitzer:] You can't just do it from the air...
[O'brien:] That's...
[Blitzer:] even if a pilot goes pretty low, you couldn't make out that this is wreckage this is, you know, from the belly or the wing or whatever?
[O'brien:] Well, I suppose if you saw something with a Malaysia logo on it, delivery, yes. But I mean in many cases, what we're talking about are small pieces where you need to look at serial numbers, that kind of thing. So, you know, they might get lucky and find a piece like that. Obviously, remember in Air France in 2009, that vertical stabilizer was floating in the water. It was quite obvious what that was.
[Blitzer:] Yes, is it is it impossible or is it likely that even if you don't get a ship in the area, a plane could fly at a relatively low level and make a decision, this is it?
[Goelz:] No. They would not be able to do that. They've got to get their eyes and their hands on an actual physical piece of wreckage that has the serial number, that is clearly identified to the aircraft. The families, at the least, would not accept anything less.
[Blitzer:] And they shouldn't Rene, what are you hearing from your sources here in Washington? Are they encouraged? Are they upbeat or are they still tentative?
[Marsh:] Well, again, to echo everything that was just said here, it is the best case scenario now, just based on this data, they've been able to drill down even further. But nothing is 100 percent until you get to those pieces, you examine them very closely and you're able to definitively say, yes, this belongs to the plane. Other than that, you really can't get that excited, because look what happened. We're now looking in a totally different area than we were looking yesterday.
[Blitzer:] Some nearly 700 miles away.
[Marsh:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] Is it your assessment, Tom, that it's strictly the result of what they said publicly, the political leadership in Australia and Malaysia, that new arithmetic, shall we say, of the original data showed that the location was slightly different, 700 miles, not so slight? Or or I'm throwing this out as just a possibility was there some secret information out there maybe collected by the United States that shared that was shared with all the investigators, maybe you guys are looking in the wrong place?
[Fuentes:] If there is such secret information, I'm not aware of it.
[Blitzer:] I'm talking about, Peter, you know, the because the U.S. has satellites and has all sorts of high tech capabilities that it doesn't want to share with the world...
[Goelz:] Right.
[Blitzer:] for obvious sources and methods, confidentiality, national security reasons. But if the U.S. did spot something 700 miles away, presumably, the U.S. would have told the NTSB, the FAA, hey, guys, you know what, do some more math.
[Fuentes:] Sure. I think that's possible. But remember, the South Indian Ocean, that was pegged by the NTSB and the U.S. off the bat as the most likely spot. I think it's a further refinement of their first analysis. They know the pinger is dying out. They made their last best guess at this point based on the facts that they had.
[Blitzer:] I can't tell you how many people have Tweeted me or e- mailed me. They're losing total credibility. They're losing total confidence in the credibility of all of these investigators, given this major, major shift.
[O'brien:] Well, the thing is we just there's no transparency. So there could be some very good reasons for all this. And you hit on one of them. The data we're talking about here is sensitive for everybody, because we're talking about military radars and capabilities, and perhaps we might be able to identify some holes in their system. And so there there's a great reluctance, and couple that with natural rivalries between these countries. It took them a very long time to pull this together, to start herding the cats and start crunching this data. Certainly, if all of those complications hadn't been in play, we would have known a lot sooner that they were flying faster at 12,000 feet.
[Blitzer:] And what U.S. officials and everybody else involved in the investigation, they're really worried about right now, is that the longer it goes the less likely they will retrieve this flight data recorder or the cockpit voice recorder?
[Marsh:] Absolutely. And, you know, once they do retrieve this, we'll start getting that critical information relatively quickly. I mean they start releasing that information to investigators within 24 hours. So we'll start to get a picture of what is on there. But, again, of course, it goes back to finding the recorders first Wolf.
[Blitzer:] You know, we've heard some conflicting opinions from the Malaysian authorities and the Australian authorities earlier today, Miles. The Malaysians suggesting, well, some of the earlier stuff that was spotted in the old search area could have drifted toward the new search area, so it wasn't a total waste. The Australians saying all that stuff, the 122 pieces that were spotted by one piece of satellite, 300 spotted by another, that's all junk. It has nothing to do with the wreckage.
[O'brien:] I think, you know, if, in fact, the Malaysians are correct, that would be hard to explain based on the ocean currents, unless they found some sort of
[Blitzer:] So you believe the Australians are right?
[O'brien:] I do. I do believe the Australians.
[Blitzer:] Peter, what about you?
[Goelz:] Yes. I think the Australians are speaking straight.
[Blitzer:] You accept the Australian version?
[Goelz:] Hopefully, yes.
[Blitzer:] And you don't you have more confidence in the Australians than the Malaysians? You've worked with both when you were at the
[Fbi. Goelz:] Yes, well the Australians have a long-term relationship of sharing 100 percent with the United States on all intelligence matters, so there's nothing that's withheld from either country by the other. But just in terms of since we want to throw out wild speculation, ask the Navy if we could have had U.S. submarines with the acoustical array looking for that box. And if they found something, alert the people above and get out before they're located.
[Blitzer:] All right, we're going to talk about how they came up with this new calculation maybe late in the game, maybe still in time, but we'll get to that later. Guys, stand by. Up next, they spotted objects on their first mission over the new search zone, now, as aircraft prepare to head out again, we're going to show you the latest on this search. U.S. Navy Rear Admiral John Kirby, he's the Pentagon press secretary. He's walking into THE SITUATION ROOM right now.
[Rear Adm. John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary:] Hi, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Admiral, thanks very much for coming in. We're going to talk about what's going on in a moment. Stand by. Also, he's been the object of a lot of scrutiny. We'll take a closer look at the captain of Flight 370 and his flight simulator, which has sparked a lot of curiosity and a lot of suspicion.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn:] Here we go. You're watching CNN. Bottom of the hour. I'm Brooke Baldwin. And you know what? Black lives matter. Black lives matter, if you've been watching this rallying cry that's been constant in the protests rocking the nation after the non-indictments in the Michael brown death and Eric Garner's case here in New York. But while these protesters are making the case against what they call blatant racism of law enforcement, we heard the chants last week. President Obama is arguing that progress has in fact been made. I want you to listen to part of his interview with BTV.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] As painful as these incidents are, we can't equate to what's happening now to what was happening 50 years ago. And if you talk to your parents, grandparents, uncles they will tell you that things are better, not good in some cases but better. When you're dealing with something as deeply rooted as racism or bias in any society, you got to have vigilance but recognize it will take some time and you just have to be steady so that you don't give up when we don't get all the way there.
[Baldwin:] Words from the president there. Joining me now on set here in New York, Patricia Patrisse Cullors and Alicia Garza, co-founders of Black Lives Matter, an organization founded in 2013 after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. So ladies, thank you so much for taking the time. I know you're semi fresh off airplane. And so many people here, really, joining, not the moment, the movement here in New York and really beyond. So my first question to both of you is you just heard the president, he said as far as race relations go not good but better. Do you agree with the president?
[Alicia Garza, Co-founder, Black Lives Matter:] Well, I think the real question is what do we need to do to push it farther? So what we're seeing across the country in every state across the country are protests and uprisings that are in response to the continuation of racism in our society. We're seeing people going out into the streets all over the world to say maybe we've made some progress but we still have a lot more to do.
[Baldwin:] But I think it's a fair question too and I really want to push you more on specifics on house resolutions. But in your lifetime, at least, do you sense an improvement?
[Garza:] Well, what we're seeing according to the Malcolm X grassroots movement is that every 28 hours in this country a black person is murdered by vigilantes or police. So that is way it's a hard question to answer because for folks who are living that reality, it's not actually the question. The question is what do we need to do in order to change our conditions? And we need bold quick action. And I think many people around the country and around the world are looking to the United States and looking to what's happening here in New York and in Oakland to make sure that we push this fight even further.
[Baldwin:] Patrisse, may I hear your voice?
[Patrisse Cullors, Co-founder, Black Lives Matter:] I would also say that the generation that's saying that things have changed, yes things have changed for their generation. But there's a whole new generation that's suffering at the hands of law enforcement. There's a whole new generation of black people. There are 2.3 million people in prison, one million of them are black. There is a whole new generation of issues that plague black America and I think the real question is ask the people on the ground. Do you think things have changed? And for us, things haven't necessarily changed. If you go into poor black ghettos, folks are hungry still. Folks the unemployment rate for black folks is high. That's an issue. That's a huge issue and I think the question for President Obama is, are you going to look at this generation's issues and really deal with them?
[Baldwin:] We're talking specifically about African-Americans but there are two different interviews that made news. Eric garner's daughter and then Eric Garner's widow, they both agree that this wasn't about race. Love your perspective on that. This was the widow.
[Esaw Garner, Eric Garner's Wife:] I really don't feel like it's a black and white thing. I feel it's just something that he continued to do and the police knew, you know, they knew.
[Baldwin:] I mean that's pretty huge to hear from the heart of the matter. I mean, this is Eric Garner, the man who was taken down in Staten Island in July, you know, the police officer was not indicted, so here is his own wife, now widow, saying this isn't black and white. In other people I've talked to say it is about police brutality, about abuse of power and it is also about socio-economics. You would hear also people arguing in a poor white community saying Appalachia. They were be this similar sense of fight against police. Do you agree with that?
[Garza:] Well first I think it's important to send our condolences to the garner family. There's a lot they are going through. And it must be an intense moment to see people all over the world standing up and fighting in your husband's or in your son's name. One thing I think is important for us to consider is that we're as a country still trying to grapple with what does racism look like. And a lot of times what we think is that racism is about people being mean to each other. We try to bring up examples of places where there's not patterns but the reality is that most folks, right, would agree that there's a pattern of police abuse and police violence against black communities. And so, whether or not that particular officer was motivated by that is a hard question to answer but what the statistics and the data tell us again is that every 28 hours in this country a black person is murdered by police or vigilantes.
[Baldwin:] So final question just to take this full circle on your point about solutions and protests and I was in the thick of it on Thursday, stopping traffic. I know people want the world to stop and say what's going on, what's one solution, one solution. Tangible specific would you want?
[Cullors:] I think the main thing that we want is a redistribution of funding into poorer black communities in particular that are really burdened by police violence. So we have police departments that are funneled with hundreds of millions of dollars. That money can be totally reallocated to communities to give them jobs, to give them housing, to give them access to healthy food. And so, that's a really clear demand that can happen locally and happen federally.
[Baldwin:] OK.
[Garza:] Another key solution is tying funding to police departments to performance. We have data that folks are collecting all over the country. And what we are seeing is that in places where there's patterns there's still a healthy amount of federal funding that they are receiving. And so, what we would be saying is, actually, you need to show us your decreasing your racial disparities in order to receive federal funding.
[Baldwin:] Patrisse Cullors and Alicia Garza, thank you both very much, co-founders of #blacklivesmatter. We will keep the conversations going and the solution and hopefully find the success for all these different communities. Thank you ladies very much. I appreciate both of you.
[Garza:] Thank you.
[Cullors:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] Just ahead here, the duke and duchess of Cambridge don't have a lot of down time on their visit to the United States. While William was at the White House, Catherine had her own engagement in Harlem. What's next for the world couple, apparently involves a basketball game this evening. We will talk about that. Plus, Bill Cosby was once America's most beloved comedian. And now, he is facing accusation after accusation and under intense suspicion. Will he address all these women coming forward? We'll talk to Don't Lemon next.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Hello. I'm Wolf Blitzer. This is a CNN special live coverage event. After eight days of silence, Hillary Clinton is getting ready to address the controversy that critics say could impact her presidential aspirations. Why did she use a personal e-mail address exclusively as secretary of state? And why did she set up her own server in her home in Chappaqua, New York, to keep the messages? Those two questions have sparked a fierce debate over cyber security and transparency during her four years as secretary of state. Keeping e-mails on her own server has given former Secretary Clinton and her staff control over which messages are turned over to federal archives. Clinton has reportedly handed over 55,000 pages of e-mails, which the State Department is now sifting through. Since the story broke, it has overshadowed every move she has made, including her speech today at the women's empowerment principles event at the United Nations. It's underway right now. We have a team of reporters and analysts standing by. But first, let's set the scene. Our chief Washington correspondent Jake Tapper is with me. Jake, this is a critically important event for the former secretary of state, assuming, as all of us do, she wants to be the next president of the United States.
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Chief Washington Correspondent:] Right. I mean I think it's a foregone conclusion that she will announce her candidacy sometime in the next couple months. Really the only thing that's being debated right now by her advisers is when and how. This is the first test for her as a presidential candidate in the 2016 run. There are a lot of unanswered questions. So far, a lot of political observers have noted that this is something that she could have tried to answer questions for either back when Michael Schmidt of "The New York Times" was working on the story about these e-mails, to any time in the last eight days, as you point out. And it's a question as to why this has been allowed to build and build and build. It is a different media environment, even in just in 2008 when Hillary Clinton ran. And there are issues about not only what is she revealing to the State Department, what is she not, why she felt the need to go against the State Department's own rules, rules that the State Department under her watch criticized individuals in the department for not abiding by, but also there are questions about cyber security. As you know, in 2013, one of Hillary Clinton's, Secretary of State Clinton's top advisers, a guy named Sidney Blumenthal, was hacked by a hacker and some of Hillary Clinton's e-mails were released into the public. Gawker printed them. They didn't get a lot of attention at the time, but they seem to be about detailed information having to do with the Middle East and other items. And that was information that wouldn't fall under the purview of what Secretary Clinton's supporters have said in the last week, which is, hey, any time she e-mailed anybody at the State Department, that would be automatically preserved because those individuals were using official e-mail addresses. Well, this conversation she had with Sidney Blumenthal, both of them were on private e-mail that wouldn't fall under the purview, that wouldn't be capped by the U.S. Archives. So a lot of unanswered questions. And really this is the first big test for Hillary Clinton presidential candidate.
[Blitzer:] How she handled this. And so far the only thing she's done is issue a short little tweet saying
[Tapper:] A tweet.
[Blitzer:] She's handed over documents to the State Department. She hopes they release those documents as soon as possible. The State Department, though, has to review all of those 55,000 pages to make sure that no confidential or secret classified information is there.
[Tapper:] But even in that her tweet, and I don't know if we can put it up, but the quote was something like, I want to show the public my e-mails. And that's a little bit misleading because she doesn't want to show the public all of her e-mails. She wants to show the public the ones that she and her staff have handed over to the State Department out of what one assumes are many more than 55,000 pages.
[Blitzer:] All right, stand by. I want to go to Brianna Keilar, our senior political correspondent. Brianna, you're at the United Nations right now. She's delivering a speech on women's issues, girl's issues. When she finishes that speech, she's going to go to another room, we're told, and then make a statement and start answering reporters' questions. Is that what you understand? I don't have Brianna?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior Political Correspondent:] Well, actually, Wolf, we're expecting her to come right here to this stakeout position. We're can you hear me, Wolf?
[Blitzer:] Yes, I hear you. Go ahead.
[Keilar:] OK. So we're expecting Hillary Clinton to come here to this stakeout position after she finishes up her speech, which is currently underway. She's talking about women's empowerment. This is a speech that was previously scheduled. And this press conference was sort of last-minute tacked on to the end of this. Let me just describe the scene for you because it's a crush of reporters and of cameras that otherwise wouldn't be here. I'm looking right now at a line of at least 25 cameras, all of the news networks represented. You can see just the crush of reporters who have had to scramble to get here today for what is such a key press conference. And we're expecting that Hillary Clinton will address the folks here, that she'll take at least a few questions. And we know that she's going to be asked about why she felt it was necessary to have this personal e-mail account to house her e-mails on a personal server. And we would imagine she'll also be asked if she deleted any of those e- mails. These are key questions and there are many, many more for her to be asked as well, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Stand by for a moment, Brianna. I want to bring in David Gergen. David's our senior political analyst who's joining us as well. She's been through this before. Those of us who have covered the Clintons, this is not necessarily new territory, but this is a critical moment given the fact that she presumably wants to run for president of the United States.
[David Gergen, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] Absolutely, Wolf. I think Jake Tapper is right, this is the first event of the campaign. It's probably one of the most important events she's going to have because it's going to color everything else. And the issue is going to be whether she walks away from this presser with more questions being asked by reporters in a sense. She really didn't clear it up. She basically danced. If that's the case, she's going to be in deeper controversy than she is now. If she comes out, squarely hits it, is transparent, I think she's got to find a way to make the all of these e-mails available to a neutral third party, perhaps someone like Lee Hamilton, who would command the respect on both sides of the aisle, a Lee Hamilton type figure, as a way to clear this up. Otherwise if she if she leaves this press conference with many of the e-mails going to be sort of in her own possession where nobody else can look at them, I think controversy is going to continue to dog her.
[Blitzer:] And we don't know yet, David, if she's going to just make a statement then answer two or three questions or if she's going to stay for a while, a half an hour, 45 minutes or an hour and answer a lot of questions. That's going to be significant, right?
[Gergen:] I think it will be, Wolf. But even more significant is what steps she's willing to take. If she comes in and says, I basically didn't understand and it's somebody else's fault and, you know, I've given over 55,000 pages, end of story, then the arguments are going to continue and this won't go away. And I think it does feed into an unfortunate narrative. We've got you know we have today two sides of Hillary Clinton. We have her defending herself in this very controversial forum with 25 cameras and we've got the Hillary Clinton now addressing the U.N. on women's empowerment, which is the good Hillary Clinton. And that's being lost. Her U.N. speech is being lost by the fact that she's now coming out to answer all these questions. That's why she's got to get this behind us behind her so that she can be heard again about what she really cares about.
[Blitzer:] All right, stand by, David, because there's a lot to assess right now. Critically important moment in Hillary Clinton's political career. Let's get some more analysis. Joining us, our chief political analyst, Gloria Borger, our national political reporter Peter Hamby, our CNN political commentator, Hilary Rosen, and our political commentator, Margaret Hoover is going us as well. Gloria, this is, as all of us agree, very, very important how she handles this. Why has she waited so long to do this? She probably should have done this on day one, right?
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] Right. And she look, Wolf, she's an undeclared candidate for the presidency. She doesn't have a campaign apparatus up and running. And the downside, Wolf, of not running so quickly or getting in so early is the fact that I think they were unprepared for this controversy. I think they tried to kind of see if a tweet would work. In this particular circumstance, it did not work. I would argue that it backfired to a degree and raised more questions. And I think, look, we have to see how she answers the why question. Was it to be protective? Was it evasive? Or, by the way, was it a bad idea to do this? I mean, maybe Hillary Clinton would surprise us and say, you know what, this wasn't such a great idea. What did she use these e-mails for? Did she ever get any advice from anybody about whether she could or could not do this? And what's she going to do about it? Is she going to have a third party archive some of it? Is she going to hand it all over to the National Archives? So these are these are questions that all remain to be answered. And how she handles it will tell us a lot about what the new Hillary Clinton is going to look like as a candidate in 2016.
[Tapper:] And, Peter Hamby, let me bring you in. I want to ask you, because a lot of Republicans have been of two minds when it comes to how to deal with this controversy. Some Republicans saying this is something we need to be aggressive about, we need to be talking about how this is the same old Clinton problem. They think the rules apply to everyone except for themselves. And other Republicans saying, you know what, don't overplay your hand, this is the trap the Republicans fall into all the time. Sit back, let the Clintons do this to themselves. What are you hearing from the Republican consultants, the people working on the soon-to-be presidential campaigns for the Republican nomination about how to deal with this?
[Peter Hamby, Cnn National Political Reporter:] Yes, I mean, Jake, I mean that's the sort of general conundrum that Republicans face. You know, both the institutional party, the RNC, and then research groups, they are trying not to veer too much into, you know, wild accusations, sexism, the sort of '90s conspiracy theories and keeping the focus on the issues at hand, being credible when dealing with reporters about this stuff. You know, what I'm hearing, talking to Republicans today, they are literally just sitting back and watching, getting their popcorn ready, going through they're going to watch to see what she's going to answer, what she isn't going to answer. Look, this isn't going to go away after today. She could talk for two minutes, 20 minutes, or two hours. And there's still going to be ongoing questions about this from Republicans, from reporters. This is the world we live in. And from the Benghazi committee. But, as you said, I think they're trying to keep the focus on just what she's going to say and then, after that, see what happens and sort of push the media to ask more questions.
[Tapper:] And, Hilary Rosen, it isn't just the Republicans who are expressing chagrin at falling into another particularly bleak and dreary episode of "I love the '90s." It is Democrats also saying, oh, God, here we go again. This is what we went through in the '90s when Bill and Hillary Clinton were running the country, secrecy, proclivity to delay and delay and delay. What are you hearing from Democrats?
[Hilary Rosen, Cnn Political Commentator:] Yes, I don't think Democrats are going that far. I think it's kind of unfair to talk about it in that context at this point. Look, you know, I think Peter and David just made the same point, which is no almost no matter what she says today, people are going to say it's not enough. So I think this is kind of the test we have to apply when we listen to what she's saying, which is, is she giving a reasonable explanation for why she used a personal e-mail address? Do we think there is mal intent there? And do they have a process for closing this issue out? Because, after all, if you look at general polls today, people still really aren't that interested in this kind of insider game. People really still like Hillary Clinton and believe that as secretary of state, she really did move the ball forward for this country. And that's what her speech is about at the U.N. today. I think that's what most Democrats are encouraging people to focus on. So, you know, my guess is that she'll give some leeway today in terms of making people happy with answers to their questions, but she's not going to answer everybody's questions.
[Blitzer:] Dana Bash is our chief congressional correspondent. She's joining us from Florida right now. I know you're doing some reporting on Jeb Bush, one of the Republican presidential hopefuls, out there. What are you hearing? I know that he's been reacting to this Hillary e-mail controversy for several days now.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] That's right. He was one of the first to jump on this as soon as the news got out about the controversy. And he is probably the most interesting to watch because he has some similar issues just regarding e-mail, not that he did anything wrong per say and that's what he's arguing. He has been talking about e-mails and making a big deal out of the fact that he is a very and has been and when he was governor, a very prolific e- mailer, releasing 275,000 e-mails. But they were from a jeb.org server. So it was not a public server. It was a private server. Not unlike Hillary Clinton. But what the sources who I'm talking to here who are close to Jeb Bush are saying that they're looking for is her explanation of why she used that e-mail, that personal e-mail exclusively, and why it took until now to release them when they think that they have a nice juxtaposition between that and the fact that he, on his own, released hundreds of thousands of e-mails to the public just a couple of weeks ago. So certainly Democrats are trying to say, a-ha, you see, Jeb Bush has a private server. Jeb Bush e-mailed on private e-mails. It's not only Democrats, it's not only Hillary Clinton. But they're arguing that it's actually a case study in how different kinds of politicians handle this issue in a very different way.
[Blitzer:] We're looking at live pictures from the microphone over there. That's where Hillary Clinton will be walking over momentarily, we're told, making a statement, then answering reporters' questions. We don't know if it will be one or two or three questions or a whole bunch of questions but we'll, of course, have live coverage, the first time she's going to go in depth and discuss the whole e-mail controversy that has erupted over the past several days. Dana, stand by. Margaret Hoover is one of our CNN political commentators. Margaret, do the Republicans who are really going after her right now have a risk in going too far right now, overreaching, if you will, that could backfire?
[Margaret Hoover, Cnn Political Commentator:] Sure, and that's exactly, I think, what Pete and Jake were talking about. You've really got Republicans of two minds here. The Republicans who want to default automatically to the '90s playbook, and then the Republicans who are a little more savvy saying, hold on a sec, we're not going to replay the playbook of the '90s. Let's wait and see what Hillary Clinton says. She may give us sort of enough rope to hang herself, so to speak. But I'd love to take it back to what Hilary Rosen said, my colleague here at CNN. You know she said, whatever Hillary says won't be enough. And I'm not sure that's true because Hillary actually could take the opportunity to cut against hype. If she were to, for example, take every single question, sort of remember how Chris Christie did when the Bridgegate scandal came up? He had this really long press conference. He spoke for almost an hour. He took every single question until there were no more questions in the room. If she really let it air out and had reasonable explanations and then said, we're going to turn over the hard drive, you guys can look at it, so that there was really full transparency, that would cut against the narrative of secrecy and defensiveness. And frankly answer the questions about where are the e-mails? Were any deleted? That would go a very long way to silencing sort of the paranoia on the right and frankly winning over that would stop this from plaguing the issue into the actual election, which, by the way, hasn't even started yet.
[Blitzer:] Hilary Rosen, you want to respond to that?
[Rosen:] Well, I actually don't think that Chris Christie press conference really answered nearly enough questions, and I think that we saw that went on for weeks. I do think one thing Margaret said is important, though, which is, you know, if she expressed some regret as to what happened here and not just the flare-up that happened after the fact, but, you know, perhaps in retrospect it might have been better to not use her personal e-mail for this business. You know, that, I think, would be a big step. And, you know, it's just possible she may say that. But but I don't think my point is, I don't think it's possible to satisfy everyone's questions because there's too much vested interest in a story continuing and that's the point.
[Hoover:] But, Hilary, you and I know it's not about it's not about convincing every single person. It's about convincing the moderate majority of Americans who are frankly the independent-minded voters who fast forward to October of 2016, when they turn in, do they think Hillary's responsible, believable, transparent, and can lead the free world?
[Rosen:] Right. I agree with that.
[Hoover:] And that's obviously who we're going for.
[Rosen:] That and I believe that she's prepared to give a reasonable explanation that most people will understand. And that's going to be the test.
[Hoover:] Do you think she will turn over the hard drive? Because I think that's key.
[Rosen:] I just don't know.
[Hoover:] I mean there's no way to really get rid of get rid of the questions about the e-mails unless she's willing to be fully transparent and turn over her hard drive.
[Rosen:] Yes, well, Jeb Bush didn't do that either. So I just don't know what Hillary Clinton is going to do.
[Hoover:] Well, the federal government has different laws than state governments.
[Rosen:] Well, it's still public accountability. You're you have to hold them both to the same test. And if you continue to do that, then maybe I'll join you on the turning over the hard drive request here.
[Hoover:] Well, no, she was she was secretary of state though. But he wasn't the secretary of state and we all know that.
[Blitzer:] All right, guys, stand by for a moment. We're looking at live pictures from the United Nations. An unusual place for a potential Democratic presidential candidate to be making a statement then answering reporters' questions on a political controversy that has erupted. Hillary Clinton's e-mails, should they all be made public? What's going on right now? This is the first time she's going to go in depth and answer reporters' questions. We'll take a quick break. She's getting ready to go to that microphone. Live coverage coming up right here on CNN. Welcome back. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. You're looking at live pictures from the United Nations. The former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, has just delivered a speech there on women's issues, girls' issues. Now she's going out to what's called the stakeout position. A lot of camera crews are out there, a lot of reporters are standing by. She'll make a statement, we're told, on this whole e-mail uproar that has developed in recent days and then answer some questions. We don't know how long she'll stay there but we're standing by for live coverage of that. Jake Tapper is with me. This has been pretty awkward, not only for the former secretary of state, but for the Obama administration as well, especially the State Department, where she served as the top diplomat for four years.
[Tapper:] That's right. The State Department actually, ahead of the secretary's press conference, getting ahead of the story, talking about the process by which they will release these 55,000 pages of e- mails that Hillary Clinton and her team have turned over from her private servers to the State Department. They are going to release all of them. The first ones that are going to be released are 300 e-mails, about 900 pages' worth, that the select committee investigating Benghazi have requested. But then and then others will be reviewed and released and they'll be put on a publicly accessible website after that initial 300. And then also the State Department wanted to interject a note saying that those who are reporting that this whole process could cost the U.S. State Department millions of dollars. That's not true. They didn't get into a cost estimate, but they said that that figure of millions of dollars is overstated, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And, Gloria, we don't know, do we this is one of the key question questions why she decided to do all of her e-mailing why she served as secretary of state for four years on this private e-mail account, this private server and not use at all the official State Department e-mail?
[Borger:] Right. I think the why question is the biggest question that's looming out there that nobody else can answer other than Hillary Clinton. And the way she answers that question is going to tell us a lot about the new Hillary in the 2016 campaign because if she says, look, I did this because I thought it was going to be easier. I didn't do it to be evasive. And maybe, looking back, I shouldn't have done it, but this is the way this is how I'm going to handle this. This is how we're going to handle this going forward. Then you take a little bit of the toxicity out of it and you take away sort of the Republican claims, same-old, same-old Clintons. If you see a new and a different Hillary Clinton there, we don't we don't know what she's what she's going to do. As my colleagues were talking about, this sort of possibility of Republican overreach is, of course, there. So I think what Hillary has to do is sort of present herself as the authentic Hillary Clinton who did this, as someone said to me earlier this week, someone who's an ally of hers, in a completely quote, "innocent," way and wants to fix it. And, you know, maybe she made a mistake here and we're just going to have to see how she explains the why, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes, that's a key question, why, to begin with. David Gergen, I remember when you were brought into the Bill Clinton administration during that first term to try to help him, he was going through, obviously, some uproar, some controversies at that time. You served three other presidents as well. If you were asked by Hillary Clinton right now for some advice, what would you tell her?
[Gergen:] Go transparent. Go all out. Be bold. Surprise everyone by being very direct, making things available on an expedited basis. Let a third party judge. I think that would put an end to this and let her get on to the more important issues. As to why she did it, Wolf, I did work with her and her husband back in 1993, '94 when they were first in the presidency and I can tell you that there is a strong feeling among the Clinton people, especially among the lawyers around her, that she always ought to be protective because there's so many people out there trying to find things that they can use against them that they would use Freedom of Information Act requests or something like that to get information. And the lawyers sort of generally take the view, don't give them anything. And there is a there is a sort of quality about being in Clinton land where you do feel the outside world is out there are people in that outside world who want to do everything they can just to tear you down. And so I understand. I'm actually sympathetic with the fact that she set up a private e- mail account. I think the mistake was not in setting up the private e- mail account but in not then coordinating with the State Department to ensure that all things related to government went into the government server as it was supposed to do. That's where, I think, she went off the track.
[Tapper:] David Gergen, if I could interject, for some of our viewers who might not remember or might not have been old enough to recall the '90s and where and when this attitude of Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton even, to not necessarily go right towards transparency came from, remind us, if you would, about what it was like from the view of the White House. This is during an era when the Republican chairman of the House Government Affairs Committee actually claimed to have fired a bullet into a pumpkin in his backyard while investigating this suicide of a top White House aide, Vince Foster. This was a strange time in Washington,
[D.c. Gergen:] I think you're absolutely right, Jake. And politics took a turn for the worse. And the Clintons became the center of a lot of controversy. But perhaps the parallel here is over the Whitewater documents, as you'll recall during the savings and loan crisis in the late '80s, early '90s, the Clintons had a relationship through a group called Whitewater to one of these failed savings and loans. And there was a during the campaign, Bill Clinton's campaign in 1992, there was a lot of press pressure to get ahold of the Whitewater documents, see what was in there. And the Clintons didn't want to give them up. The lawyers said you don't have to give them up. And there was a big fight that went all the way into his presidency and, in fact, led to a special prosecutor. There was nothing incriminating in those documents. When they eventually came out, there was nothing incriminating. There was stuff that was unflattering. And I think that's what she likes to protect herself against. I think it's I think it's in her nature now. And there are a lot of people around her who believe the press is part of a problem. There are a bunch of jackals out there who are going to try to bring you down if you start giving over documents and you just you you're going to they're inevitably going to find you've done something wrong or unflattering and, you know, and it's just there's this sort of people sort of close they clinch up in those circumstances when, you know, when you feel all you're getting all that incoming fire.
[Tapper:] And, Gloria Borger, remind us, if you will, there was a controversy about the Bush White House
[Borger:] Sure.
[Tapper:] And officials there using their own private e-mails and the accusation was they were trying to skirt National Archives and records acts
[Borger:] Right.
[Tapper:] And laws mandating the preservation of those e-mails.
[Borger:] Right.
[Tapper:] What did then-Senator Hillary Clinton in 2007 have to say about White House officials being accused of doing the same thing?
[Borger:] Well, she took White House officials to task. In no uncertain words she accused them of, her words, shredding the Constitution. And she, you know, raked them over the coals about their secret wiretaps. She called them secret military tribunals and, of course, the secret White House e-mail accounts.

[Whitfield:] The Obama administration has revealed a new plan to curb what's becoming a big problem with illegal immigration, children coming across the border. By the numbers, unaccompanied children come from as many as 11 different countries. The U.S. government estimates as many as 60,000 to 80,000 children without their parents will cross the border this year alone. And the U.S. intervention plan includes spending $250 million for Central American governments to help stem the tide of undocumented kids coming to the U.S. illegally. The majority of the children apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol along the southwest border this month have been concentrated in the Rio Grande Valley sector of Texas. Our Nick Valencia was just there. And, Nick, on the ground, you know, this is a very bad situation.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Humanitarian crisis, someone's saying.
[Whitfield:] How bad is it?
[Valencia:] Well, some U.S. officials I've spoken to say it's worse than we're even seeing in those images that have been leaked from U.S. Congressman Henry Cuellar's office, also other Border Patrol agents have leaked other photos as well. It's worse, they say in these facilities. In fact, when I was there on the border, Fred, I saw a family group from Honduras that had just crossed the Rio Grande Valley. That's me right there next to the Texas Department of Public Safety. And that's the family I'm talking about. They just arrived from Honduras. Two young girls under 4 years old with what is presumably some of their family members. They call this a family group because they're coming with adults. Those two kids there, under the age of 18 years old, it's a humanitarian crisis as some would say. What the Obama administration is doing now is it's pledging this $250 million. Where is that money going to go? It's intended to go to these governments in Guatemala, in Honduras, in El Salvador, to be part of this reintegration process
[Whitfield:] What does that mean?
[Valencia:] They're not really detailed. That's a great question.
[Whitfield:] Yes.
[Valencia:] But it's not really detailed by the White House. What is this reintegration process and how another big question is, how are you going to hold these governments accountable to spend the money on the migrants when they go back?
[Whitfield:] Exactly because it's the problem from what we've heard from a number of these families and the children, if the problem is family members are saying, I'm willing to risk the life of my child
[Valencia:] Right.
[Whitfield:] to go unaccompanied by me
[Valencia:] Hundreds of miles.
[Whitfield:] across the border because the drug crime is just too much to bear here. There are no jobs. There's no future for my child. If that's what families are saying, this $250 million being doled out to any of these countries, are they going to address those things? Will that money be going towards, you know, some kind of crime intervention or helping to, you know, build infrastructure so there are jobs. I mean
[Valencia:] There is $161.5 million set aside for the Central American Regional Security Initiative. And that goes towards addressing governance challenges as well as security challenges. As you mentioned, a big issue is violence in these home countries. Yes, it is a processing issue, yes, there's not enough room to house these thousands of migrants that cross. But it really is the root of the problem in Central America. And that needs to be addressed. Some senior lawmakers saying this money, not enough. Not enough. Not going to solve the problem.
[Whitfield:] Wow. We're going to talk to, in fact, Congressman Cuellar a little bit later on that you were talking about. And keep us posted on this as well.
[Valencia:] Great. You got it, Fred.
[Whitfield:] Appreciate it. So it's been years since one New York woman left her town filled with poverty and violence in Honduras to immigrate to the United States. She hasn't seen her parents for nearly two decades, until now. Here's Rosa Flores taking us on this "American Journey."
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] This neighborhood in Honduras is not only home to both poverty and violence, but to families, as well. And to this mother, who would give anything to see her daughter again. Natalia Lopez Manuelez says she has always supported her children, even when one of them wanted to take on the dangerous and uncertain voyage to the United States in search of opportunity. Nearly 20 years ago, Natalia kissed her daughter, Leslie, goodbye. The 25-year-old left on foot never to return to Honduras. This mom says she's now trapped in the very situation her daughter left behind. Over the years, she has only spoken to her daughter by phone, never seeing her face-to-face. [On Camera] I met this family while I was filing special reports for CNN in Honduras and when I learned about the agony they were facing due to separation, I thought there is something we can do here, and I started looking for her daughter, Leslie. [Voice-over] And found her living in New York. Sharing her mother's grief. Leslie says she used to cry alone, thinking about her family thousands of miles away. She was undocumented and couldn't visit. We took a DVD of my interview with her parents and showed it to Leslie. She was finally able to see her parents for the first time in almost two decades. She couldn't believe her eyes. Her mom showing the many years on her face. [On Camera] When you left they were
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[Flores:] As does the home she grew up in, a shell of what she remembers.
[Unidentified Female:] Home sick.
[Flores:] And also shocked at the poverty and violence plaguing her old neighborhood. What didn't surprise her, her father talking to CNN. "He's never been timid," she says, and while this unconventional reunion brought her some joy, nothing replaces seeing family in person. Her dream now, aside from becoming a U.S. citizen, is to visit her family in Honduras one day. Rosa Flores, CNN, New York.
[Whitfield:] Families separated by thousands of miles across the border, that's just one aspect of this immigration crisis. Next hour, I will actually speak with Texas Congressman Henry Cuellar about all of this, including the children caught in the middle. What's next for them. Still to come, an injury to a top American scorer could impact the U.S.Portugal match Sunday at the World Cup. Lara Baldesarra is in Brazil.
[Lara Baldesarra, Cnn Correspondent:] Pretty big injury for the U.S. but it's not the end of the world. I will have all the details coming up for you in just a moment.

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[Cnn Breaking News. Banfield:] So I want to get you some of this unusual information that's coming from a very large port in Tampa, Florida. It is in fact the Port of Tampa, and there's something wrong and no one knows yet exactly what it is. But there are dangerous, noxious fumes that are emanating from that port. And they are so bad look at the direction of the flag. People downwind of that flag are being told to stay indoors. And that's not just a few people, it is several thousand people, particularly if you live or know people who live in the area of Channel Side or Harbor Island, all of those people have been given a stay inside order to shelter. They're trying to contain this; they're trying to figure out what this leak is. They're trying to figure out what the fumes are. But they do say if you have any experience of irritation of the eyes or respiratory tract, that can lead to headaches and dizziness. You're probably going to have to get some medical attention at some point. But in the meantime, everyone in that particular area south of that port, they are being told to shelter in place, stay indoors, keep your windows and doors closed and put on your TV and radio so you can stay in tune with those developments. We'll watch that as well and as soon as we know more, we will let you know as well. But what a bizarre situation, not knowing what it is and where it's leaking from, those fumes. So another big breaking story, we've been bringing it to you from Texas every day. And in fact, on this show, every day this week, we've had a break in the Nidal Hasan case, that's of course the Army major who is accused of opening fire on his colleagues at Ft. Hood. Our Ed Lavandera is standing by with yet another break, more breaking news in the case. Yesterday everything shut down, Ed, because the backup lawyers to this man who wants to defend himself say they can't stand by any longer and watch him march himself to the death penalty. What has the judge said in this case?
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it was another tense morning. The judge came out this morning first thing and denied those attorneys' request to modify how they would work with Major Nidal Hasan in his death penalty murder case here at Ft. Hood. The judge denied that motion. And then it didn't end there. Basically the judge ruled that it was this was simply a disagreement in strategy, that Major Hasan is fully capable of representing himself, that he has a constitutional right to defend himself how he so chooses. But then the lawyers didn't leave it there. They said that the it would be more the attorneys telling the judge, continued, kept hammering at the judge about this and said it would be, quote, "morally repugnant" to force them to allow Major Hasan to essentially, in their opinion, work with the prosecution to ensure that he get the death penalty. Despite all of that and those strong claims from these attorneys, from what we could hear, sounded very angry and upset by the judge's ruling. But all of that continues. The judge has said that they have to continue working alongside Major Hasan, standing by his side. They are not the lead counsels. They do not make the decisions. Everything is up to Major Hasan and basically they have to stand there and watch him choose this strategy, which they think is ensuring that he gets sentenced to death.
[Banfield:] Well, you know what, as they say, Ed, you do have a right to defend yourself, even if you're defending yourself very poorly. But I will tell you this, Ed, from the many cases I've seen, a lot of times those shadow lawyers, they have got to protect themselves, too, against some kind of case down the way, of ineffective assistance of counsel. So maybe that's at least on the record for them at this point as they move forward. Keep us posted today on any other movements in the trial, will you, Ed?
[Lavandera:] I will.
[Banfield:] Ed Lavandera there live for us at Ft. Hood. Thank you, you, too. He's on it every day for us and we'll keep you posted. Not even 11:30 in the morning Eastern time and the court case already done for the day in Joshua Young's trial. Why? He's that 17-year-old baby-faced boy accused of helping his father beat his 14-year-old stepbrother to death. But his defense case only called two witnesses in this entire thing. It was so bizarre. During the prosecution's case two witnesses and then just four additional witnesses this morning and then said we're done. All of it less than half an hour. So that's quick before you rest your case. Can I remind you if he's convicted, he faces life in prison? So the question, did the defense do enough to save that boy? We're back in a moment.

[Baldwin:] We had been reporting this week that 63-year-old Robin Williams ended his life earlier this week, and now we're getting a little bit more information from his widow, who has just released this full statement, and she wants it to be read in full. So I'm going to do exactly that. This is from Susan Schneider. She writes this: "Robin's sobriety was intact and he was brave as he struggled with his own battles of depression, anxiety, as well as early stages of Parkinson's disease, which he was not yet ready to share publicly. It is our hope in the wake of Robin's tragic passing that others will find the strength to seek the care and support they need to treat whatever battles they're facing so they may feel less afraid." Dan Simon is live for us in Los Angeles. And, Dan, I mean, ooh, talk about tragic all the way around. It just brings up more questions.
[Dan Simon, Cnn Anchor:] That's right, Brooke. You know, since his tragic passing, the question everybody has is why? How could this man, full of so much life, you know, commit suicide? And perhaps this gets us a little closer in answering that question. You know, maybe it gives us some insight into his psychological well-being. We know he was battling severe depression. But I think the question, Brooke, is did this diagnosis of early Parkinson's cause the depression, or did it just add to an already existing problem? So I think, you know, people will be analyzing this very closely. This has been all kinds of speculation as to what may have been going on in his life. But I think just adds another, you know, layer to an already complex question that everybody has any time anyone takes their own life Brooke?
[Baldwin:] Sounds like questions for doctors and those who were treating them. There is no way we can begin to understand, at least for now, why he would have done this. Dan Simon, thank you so much. Coming up, we're going to take you back to the streets of just outside of St. Louis and Ferguson, Missouri. And my next guest wrote an article titled "What White People Can Do about the Killing of Black Men in America." He'll join me live, next.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] Three very important stories breaking this hour. We are about to hear from the police who are hot on the trail of those two escaped killers in New York state. In South Carolina, the body of state senator and Pastor Clementa Pinckney, one of those nine people killed in a Charleston church, is going to make its way via horse-drawn carriage to the state capital building. Also live this hour, President Obama announcing a major policy shift to help bring home some Americans held hostage by overseas terrorists. But some people fear the new strategy may only encourage more kidnappings. Hello, everyone. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. To our viewers in the United States and around the world, welcome. This is LEGAL VIEW. Any moment now we're expecting a news conference on that manhunt for two very dangerous escaped killers, murders, who made their way out of the Clinton Correctional Facility in New York, and that was 19 days ago. The search has been on ever since. We have a lot of new developments to tell you about. First, a law enforcement official tells CNN that prison tailor Joyce Mitchell used baked goods to essentially facilitate their escape. We're going to break from those developments for a moment to bring you the news out of South Carolina. I mentioned earlier a horse-drawn carriage known in these terms as a caisson. Right now, what you're seeing in Columbia, the capital of South Carolina, is the procession from Leevy's Funeral Home to the state capital where Senator Clementa Pinckney, who was also a reverend and a victim of that terrible murderous rampage in the Mother Emanuel Church, his body is going to rest in state, it's going to lie in state in the building at the state capital on the second floor in the rotunda. This is a very special day for so many people for so many reasons. There is a lot of symbolism in the pictures that you're seeing. The state capital, where they are headed, well, that statehouse in the capital, it still flies that flag, the confederate flag, that is the subject of so much grievance at this point. While the technicalities rage on as to whether that flag can continue to fly as the state senator lies in state and people come to view his body, there are measures that can be taken to actually have it come down. But whether those measures will be taken, well, no one is sure just yet. But right now you can be assured there will be many people who will not only line these streets to watch this procession as the casket of Senator Clementa Pinckney goes through the streets of Columbia, the capital, towards the statehouse, but also those who will line up to get their chance to file past that casket as the senator lies in state. Just so you know, this is going to happen today from 1:00 until 5:00. It is very hot in Columbia and all measures are being taken to make sure that people can line up and still be safe. They're going to pass out water for those who are going to line up to wait their turn. The security is tight. They are asking people to leave backpacks, purses, any kinds of baggage behind because they still have to go through all of the security. They've canceled all of the tours at the statehouse in Columbia. And, of course, the streets are lined not only with security but media. There are very strict rules about the statehouse. No one is going to be able to take any pictures anywhere inside the statehouse. The media has been given a special dispensation to not only have what we call a pool feed, one camera that really is unobtrusive that will show the lying in state and the media is also going to be allowed on the first floor of the statehouse. So you're just seeing now the live pictures as we're getting them from our affiliates in Columbia of the procession and the caisson that is on its way now for the next several hours. While the senator lies in state, the funeral plans also are still being finalized for Friday. And you will remember that the president, with a very high level group of dignitaries, is heading down to South Carolina. The president will be giving the eulogy at of Senator Clementa Pinckney. So I want to get you right now back up to New York because the officials are now filing out and towards a live microphone for that now what's become very regular briefing as to the situation in terms of hunting down those two escaped murders. This news conference is coming to us from Cadyville in New York, not far from the Clinton Correctional Facility. We've got our correspondents standing by but I think it's probably best left to the officials. We're not sure if they're going to release any brand new details, but we certainly have been able to dig up a lot on the woman who was arrested and is accused of having facilitated this escape. So as we get ready, we are expecting not only the trooper who usually does the briefings but other officials may speak.
[Maj. Charles Guess, New York State Police:] Good afternoon. I'm Major Charles Guess of the New York State Police. I'm joined by Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie and Franklin County District Attorney Glenn MacNeill, along with representatives from our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners. In the search for David Sweat and Richard Matt, the region around Dannemora remains a primary focus of our investigation. Residents will specifically note a strong law enforcement presence in the town of Belmont as the search continues. In addition, although no evidence exists that the escapees are in the town a Malone or village of Malone, a search will begin that area in an attempt to insure the safety of area residents. Our current search area is approximately 75 square miles within Franklin County. More than 1,000 federal, state, and law enforcement members are involved in this search area and our collaborative effort with our partners will continue until the inmates are captured. We continue to aggressively pursue leads in this case. We have developed more than 2,200 leads of as of today and more continue to come in. We appreciate the public's assistance during our investigation and we ask them to continue to call 911 if anything suspicious is noted in their property, in their digital recordings and their trail cameras at any time. We've received reported sightings each day and we have investigated every one. So far, none of the sightings have been substantiated. But we will continue to ensure to the public that every sighting or lead that is reported will be investigated until exhausted. We have dozens of experienced investigators who are tracking each lead and we are benefitting from the experience of our state, local, and federal partners. This remains very much a team effort. Again, we ask the public to remain alert, take necessary safety precautions and remain vigilant about reporting anything that is out of the ordinary. We want to thank all of our law enforcement partners on a state, local, and federal level for their collaboration. The resources, expertise and experience they provide are invaluable to our investigation. This search has not been without its challenges. I would like to introduce Captain John Streiff from the New York State Forest Rangers who can detail what our teams have been up against over the past few weeks. Captain Streiff.
[Capt. John Streiff, New York State Forest Rangers:] Good afternoon.
[Guess:] All right, we'll take a few questions at this time.
[Question:] Do you believe
[Guess:] There are numerous items we recovered from the cabin. Although I can't specify what those items were, we have no definitive information to reveal that someone was injured. Let's face it, a bloody sock could mean somebody had a blister or it could mean a lot worse. I'm hoping for the best. Anything that would impede their project in the search area and aid these searchers would be a good thing for us.
[Question:] And a follow-up, sir. Are you concerned about the amount of time that's elapsed between the report of the men being there and the time that the officer actually arrived
[Guess:] Time is always a concern. It generally works against the police in the immediate response, but it works typically for law enforcement long term as we begin to coalesce around the search area, bring in more partners. What you're seeing here is the is the face of relentless pursuit and we're going to be relentless until we capture these people. Bottom line is, we don't want them to have a restful, peaceful night putting their head on any pillow. Whether it ends here today in Owl's Head or whether it's, you know, an indeterminate amount of time going forward, we will resolve this case and capture these individuals and return them to corrections.
[Question:] Did they steal a shotgun from the cabin? Major Guess, do you believe they were in that cabin and, if so, how far away do you conceivably believe that they could be from there right now?
[Guess:] We have every reason to believe that they were at the point last seen where that cabin is. Their distance from that cabin could be extensive if their travel was unimpeded. But as you heard Captain Streiff say, it's a very remote, difficult terrain to work in. We had units in the area almost immediately and we're doing everything we can to keep them hunkered down and secure until we can capture them. Again, that depends on the terrain and geography and the environmental conditions. You could easily cover 10 miles a day if you're unimpeded on an ATV trail or something like that would be a high-speed avenue of egress.
[Question:] Are they still
[Guess:] What makes me think they're not together? I have to prepare for both eventualities and I'm not trying to toss the question back at you but we plan and we have been investigating since day one for both possibilities that they've either split up as soon as they popped their heads up out of the manhole or they remain together as a team. Obviously they committed the escape as a team. Working together as a team has certain pluses. Separating also has certain advantages when you're trying to elude capture. But we're working on both.
[Question:] Is there a shotgun missing from the cabin, major, and also did any of the corrections officers who had access to that cabin that was broken into in the Owl's Head area have any interaction with Matt or Sweat when they were at the prison?
[Guess:] I won't comment on the last part about the interaction with the corrections officers. Regarding the shotgun, there have been reports widely made that a shotgun is missing. I do not have confirmatory evidence that a particular shotgun is missing. I would point out to you that those of you not familiar with the area, just about every cabin or out building in the north country has one or more shotguns or weapons and we have since day one operated under the belief that these men are armed. They're extremely dangerous. They're cunning. Why wouldn't they try to arm themselves immediately upon escape?
[Question:] So, major, a follow-up for you. Wouldn't all of the people who had access to that cabin know how many guns they own and be able to tell you whether or not they have all their guns now?
[Guess:] Logic would dictate that, but they put an inordinate amount of weapons and ammunition and other tools in these shared seasonal hunting camps and cabins. You would think that they'd have some sort of an inventory. But our investigation has led us to conclude that, in fact, a number of people cycle through these camps and cabins and they do not have a definitive number of weapons, so they cannot tell us what's missing and what's not. That's entirely possible. Perimeter is a very definitive term that I have not used unless I've used air quotes. By that I mean, we've with this 75 mile square area and that's being generous. That's the primary search area. They could have made it out before law enforcement could have encircled them. The fact of the matter is, we are not limiting our investigation to Owl's Head. We're continuing to look nationwide and we have all the assets at our disposal, U.S. marshals, FBI and others to take this thing nationwide and around the world if necessary.
[Unidentified Female:] Last question.
[Question:] Is it becoming more clear,
[Guess:] We're continuing to develop on that particular aspect of the investigation daily, sometimes hourly. What we know for sure is that Joyce Mitchell, who has been arrested and charged, assisted them and our investigators, all investigators, are exploring what other further leads or collaborative efforts could have used to aid them in their escape.
[Question:] What
[Guess:] Well, we're ready for that. We've already talked with Interpol, our Canadian partners of the RCMP and provincial police up there. Our customs and border patrol folks are adeptly integrated with them and our federal partners stand behind me at the podium here today are ready for that eventuality. In fact, looking in Canada, and by that I mean looking to Canada and not searching in Canada.
[Unidentified Female:] Thank you, everyone.
[Question:] Just for clarification, major, you said there were no substantiated sightings, but the cabin has been substantiated, correct, that they were there?
[Guess:] We have virtually 100 percent assurance that they were in that area, but a sighting would indicate that I have some sort of photographic evidence to corroborate that or a visual description of the inmates that was so definitive that I could tell you that I have a sighting that confirms that. Even though we have a subject that we interviewed who reported the sighting, we don't have a definitive, physical description from that subject. He saw someone fleeing into the woods and that's the best we could get from him. We have a thousand people here and I believe that they're they were at that point last seen as of 10:30 a.m. on Saturday morning.
[Unidentified Female:] Thank you, everyone.
[Question:] What about the video
[Guess:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] So, you know, each day we've been waiting for additional details on just how close they are getting, how narrow the net is becoming around these escaped murders in upstate New York and it doesn't feel like there's a lot more information other than the fact that they've got a thousand people now on this search. I'm going to continue to cover this story and we'll take you live to our reporters. But I also want to take you back down to Columbia, South Carolina, so that we can take a moment to watch as the caisson that's carrying the body of Senator Clementa Pinckney arrives at the statehouse. So as you can see, we are following a moving story, the casket bearing the body of Senator Pinckney, Reverend Pinckney, will eventually get to the steps of the statehouse. The senator is going to lie in repose I said earlier lie in state, I want to correct that. These are very special issues of technicality and this technicality is that he will lie in repose in the second floor rotunda of the statehouse. But these are the image. You can see the law enforcement effectively clearing the way as the caisson makes its way throughout Columbia, South Carolina, throughout the streets. It came from the funeral home and the casket with the reverend, with the senator inside, will be in the rotunda for the better part of this afternoon for those who want to come between 1:00 and 5:00 p.m. It appeared earlier, as the hearse follows there was also a line that had already possibly started to form outside and the department of parks and recreation and tourism, other law enforcement agencies have made, you know, advanced preparations to make sure that the flow of traffic and the foot traffic of those who want to come to pay their respects to the senator in and out of the statehouse and around it will be able to do so without a lot of difficulty. And let's keep in mind that it is extraordinarily hot in Columbia. So they are also going to be passing out water to those who will be standing and waiting for their turn to go through the statehouse. No photographs allowed for those who will be coming through to pay their respects. As those look on, the body of reverend and Senator Clementa Pinckney returns to the statehouse in the capital of Columbia, South Carolina, where he served honorably this state. We do have news that the flag that flies very close to this location on the state grounds, the confederate flag, the subject of so much consternation, will continue to fly at full staff. Governor Nikki Haley's press secretary just recently releasing a statement suggesting she does not have the authority to change that and that she will instead work on the law to change the existence of that flag and where it flies. There is some question as to whether there is some kind of authority, some kind of measure that could be taken at least for this very austere day. But while that happens, this is what you're seeing. This only a few days from the funeral for Senator Clementa Pinckney, which will take place on Friday and which will see a delegation the likes of which is rare. The last kind of delegation that attended a state funeral of this magnitude was the Senator Ted Kennedy's funeral, Beau Biden's funeral, Senator Robert Byrd's funeral. And on Friday, Michelle Obama, the House Speaker John Boehner, the House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, the GOP Leader Steve Scalise, Representative Kevin McCarthy and several other senators will join President Obama in traveling to Columbia and traveling to South Carolina to be at the funeral for Senator Pinckney. It will be President Obama who delivers the eulogy on Friday. CNN's Victor Blackwell is standing by and also I'm joined by Jason Johnson who says his real education began the day that he met Clem Pinckney. Johnson is a college professor. He's a political analyst and he's live in Atlanta as well. Professor, I'll ask you to stand by for a moment so I can just check in with my colleague just to get a feel for the silent pictures that we're watching. Victor.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Correspondent:] Silent really is the right characterization of this. There are hundreds of people, maybe more than a thousand people, who are here on the statehouse grounds. You see the long line there as people begin to file in starting at 1:00 to pay their respects to Senator Clementa Pinckney. And what you're hearing from not just, you know, people inside who knew him inside his the house chamber or the senate chamber, from people who did not know him. I walked up to a woman and I asked her why did she come here. It's 100 degrees. And she's standing outside on the street corner and she said for her it was not an option. She had to be here because of the reverence she had for this man and that he was praising God when he was shot and killed, as long as well as those eight other people. And again, the word "silent." As that caisson came down main street, Ashleigh, the only things you really heard or I heard were the hooves of the horses hitting the asphalt and the helicopter above. I mean people were trying to chase down the caisson and get a picture of this moment, this moment of punctuation which in a broader spectrum is a moment of race relation, punctuation in this state. But there was silence here and now people are being beginning to file in. For the next four hours his body will lie in repose here. Ashleigh.
[Banfield:] If I could ask, Jason Johnson, I'd like you to weigh in for me. What would the reverend, the senator, have thought about what's happening today?
[Jason Johnson, Political Analyst, Friend Of Clementa Pinkney:] You know, it's hard to watch this. It's just hard to see him be gone. And this was not Clem. This is a guy from Jasper County. He this kind of pomp and circumstance is not how he served. It's not how he served as a pastor. It's not how he served as a senator. And the amount of passion, the interest and the pageantry, the respect, the love that's being shown now is only contrasted by the humility that he showed throughout his entire life. He was literally I've worked for a lot of campaigns. I've worked for Republicans. I've worked for Democrats. You never forget the first campaign you work for. He was one of the most loving, noble, humble and sincerest men I've ever met in my life.
[Banfield:] You know, I have learned that he was not interested in getting donations from people who could not afford to give donations, and that's very rare among our political breed these days.
[Johnson:] Yes, you know, one of the first things that happened, I'm down there and I was like, Clem, we've got to raise money, we've got to get this and that for the campaign and he was almost embarrassed to ask. He's like, look, there's people here who are poor. He's like, and I know they'll give to me. I know they'll give to me and not pay rent.
[Banfield:] Jason, I just need to jump in for a moment. I apologize for interrupting. I want to take us to Washington for the president.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Men and women, tourists, journalists, humanitarians, it's a horror and cruelty beyond description. For their families and for their friends, it's an unrelenting nightmare that the rest of us cannot even begin to imagine. As a government, we should always do everything in our power to bring these Americans home safe and to support their families. Dedicated public servants across our government work tirelessly to do so. Our military personnel

[Unidentified Male:] Behind me is just part of what is left of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. You just hope that none of these children or the grandchildren will go before you.
[Unidentified Female:] You saw next to three of the passengers' names the capital "I." As we now know, the letter "I" stands for infant.
[Unidentified Male:] That's crazy. You don't expect to go into an airplane and get blown out of the sky.
[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] The pictures are jolting, the information is fluid. We're so glad to have you with us as we walk through this morning. I'm Christi Paul.
[Victor Blackwood, Cnn Anchor:] I'm Victor Blackwood. It's 10:00 o'clock here on the East Coast, 7:00 out west. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. And first this morning, of course, the growing international alarm that rebel gunmen are keeping some invesitgators from the crash site, although we know that the OSCE investigators, those monitors, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe they are there today. A little more flexibility than they had yesterday, but still
[Paul:] Even though there is a smaller teamm there, of them, but they do seem to have a little more mobility than they did yesterday, it's being reported. Now Germany is urging Russian President Vladimir Putin to pressure these rebels to let the investigators in even further. Malaysia Airlines issued, too, its latest list of the 298 people from 11 nations who were aboard the flight when it was shot down out of the sky over eastern Ukraine. And most of the passengers come from the Netherlands. There was one American as well.
[Blackwell:] International observers at the crash site say they have been hearing gunfire and also explosions this morning. Witnesses say some human remains put in body bags and put to the side of the road.
[Paul:] The Ukrainian government is accusing pro-Russian rebels of removing more than three dozen bodies as well as destroying evidence, they say.
[Blackwell:] And there has been heavy fighting about 60 miles from the field of debris and wreckage there.
[Paul:] Chris Cuomo, the co-host of CNN's NEW DAY, joins us now live from the crash site in eastern Ukraine. And Chris, I know that it was a haul for you to get there. It was not easy to get to that crash site. When you got there, what struck you most?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Well, that's hard to answer, Christi, because this is such an unusual situation. You have the obvious tragedy of this plane being taken out of the skies, and everyone onboard gone and laying in the field around us for the most part. But it has happened because of, probably, and in the middle of, an outright civil war. There's no question about accounts of people hearing gunfire. They have used gunfire here today to move journalists when they don't want them to go beyond a certain point. These are local militias very intent on making a definite show of force, of blaming Ukraine for the tragedy of taking this plane out of the air. The checkpoints show such indications of heavy fire I haven't seen anything like it in quite some time. Trees completely stripped some 40, 50 feet up by big artillery shells, men hiding in these very shallow trenches. They've obviously been anticipating and engaging in very heavy warfare. So now you have a situation where there's no question that even in the worst of circumstances, Christi and Victor, you expect a certain level of dignity. It's not being met here. Bodies are starting to be collected. Some are still being missed. They're just being put in bags on the side of the road. These are not people they're local towns folk, not people who know how to do this. Things like the fuselage behind me, that's the tail section of the plane, there's so much there for investigators to look at and catalogue. And things have been disturbed here. Things have been taken. The bodies are not getting the dignity they deserve. So this is about, s troubled a set of circumstances as you can come upon here.
[Blackwell:] The Ukrainian officials are accusing some of these pro- Russian rebels of tampering with evidence and the bodies there. Are you seeing any of that?
[Cuomo:] Am I seeing tampering? No. I'm seeing local townsfolk moving bodies, putting them on the side of the road. Does the luggage, do things look as if they've been disturbed? Absolutely. Why? It's almost what you don't see. I've been in, unfortunately, in situations like this before, and you see the trapping of someone's life. You see their purse. You see their wallet. You see their cellphone. You see nothing of anything valuable here right now, Victor, and that's disturbing. And, you know the men here are very hostile, they're very aggressive. But I have not seen anything take anything and go. You ask them about the black boxes, they say it's not for us to deal with. We don't know anything about the black boxes.
[Paul:] I wanted to ask you about the rebels if you had had any exchanges with them. When you say they're aggressive, how aggressively do you think they are trying to, dare I say, protect this area right now?
[Cuomo:] Well, I wouldn't say "protect." I would say control. And I think it's a difference with a distinction, because, you know, how aggressive. They point weapons that are loaded at you, Christi, and they point it up towards the sky to say, if you don't move back, suggesting they're going to fire. They have fired. There's obviously active fighting going on 150 clicks from here where dozens of people reportedly have been killed. So they're no joke and they want to be taken seriously. But I'll tell you, when I came here, for me it's not about the civil war. It's important that people know it's still going on. It's important that people understand that this happened as a function of it in all likelihood, and that, you know, there's probably a lot to the suggestion that until Russia makes it unacceptable for this to be going on it will probably continue. But the first thing that I felt inclined to do here was to just say a simple prayer for the bodies that are here, the lives that were lost and for their families, because they're not receiving the dignity they should. I'm really it's acceptable to me that you're not seeing what we're seeing here. Ordinarily I want to show you at home what we're seeing because you can't be here. I don't want you to see this, and I certainly don't want the families of the people involved here to see it, because there is not the dignity there should be in place right now, and there could be, Christi, ant Victor. There could be. They could let the right people in. They couldn't make it a death march to get here, and if they had, things would be done much more quickly than they are.
[Blackwell:] Chris Cuomo, host of CNN's NEW DAY there at the crash site of MH-17. Chris, thank you so much.
[Paul:] Thanks, Chris. And let's talk about this more with experts including CNN aviation analyst Jeff Wise and Miles O'Brien.
[Blackwell:] We're joined by also by Barry Pavel, the vice president and director of the Brent Scowcroft Center on International Security at the Atlantic Council. Barry, first to you. The State Department says this is a game changer in terms of Russian relations. How does this change the game, and in your view, what should be the international response to Russia? Should there be more sanctions? Are sanctions enough?
[Barry Pavel, Vice President And Director, Brent Scowcroft Center:] I'll take your second question first. I do think the international response will be somewhat heightening sanctions. But let's talk about this game changer issue. I'm not sure people are completely seeing clearly what Putin's worldview is and what's going on here. Let's think about this weapons system. It takes months of training for it to be used effectively. So there's only two options. Either Russian specialists trained these individuals for six months or it was directly manned by Russian specialists. I think people are confusing terms like "rebels," and it's not really a civil war. This is Russian destabilization of a sovereign country. Putin is likely to continue doing both things. He's likely to continue the destabilization, and he's likely to continue the diplomacy, the appearing nice, appearing lawful. This is, the strategy's going to continue, and I think we're papering things over when we suggest there's rebels or pro-Russian separatists, they're Russian pros, mixed in with the pro-Russians.
[Paul:] Miles, I wanted to ask you. We heard from the transport minister in Malaysia earlier today saying there were 75 different airplanes that flew over this route in the two days prior to us taking this route, but a lot of people look at this and say, this is a conflict zone. Why was Ukraine, I'm wondering, allowed to keep this airspace open?
[Miles O'brien, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, we should also point out that there were quite a few airlines that scrupulously avoided this area, British Airways and Air France among them, who for months have not flown anywhere near there. This is an interesting question of who's responsible for the airspace. The airspace was closed from 32,000 feet and below, and technically, Malaysia flying at 33,000 feet, to the letter of the law, was OK to be there. But as a pilot, I'm going to tell you, I like to always have a fallback position, a way out. And if you're at 33,000 feet, and for some reason you need to descend, because of a decompression or engine loss, or whatever, you're going straight into a no-fly zone. They were right on the margin of safety, anyway, and, on top of that, there have been four or five shoot-downs just in the past month at relatively high altitudes. So there was all kinds of evidence that this was not a great place to be, and yet there was some sort of apathy that crept into their decision-making process, and, frankly, this is a commercial decision as well. It took, would take them a little bit out of their way and might cause a little more fuel burn over the course of that 12-hour flight. So in the end I think we know it wasn't safe to be there for sure now, but it's not like this should be a surprise. There had been several aircraft shot down in advance of that, and any airline that continued to fly into that airspace knowing all of that was not really flying with safety number one on their list.
[Blackwell:] Jeff what do you expect the impact of this will be moving forward, considering that Miles says that this was in some ways a commercial decision, they were at the edge, I guess, of what you're saying, edge of the safe zone here. Do you expect an expansion of possibly no-fly zones moving forward as it relates to commercial airliners?
[Jeff Wise, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, clearly going forward, there's going to be a lot more care and attention paid to excluding commercial aircraft from airspace that may be problematic. I mean, I think Miles is absolutely right. Malaysian Airlines chose a route that was just barely outside of a dangerous airspace. And you know, it comes down to money. The British Airways, when they went around Ukraine to avoid any potential problem, it cost them money. They had to go further, they had to burn more fuel. And we see that, this is an incredible coincidence, that Malaysia lost two 777s. They only had 15, 15 out of total around the world, 19,000 commercial aircraft exist around the world, and 15 of them were Malaysian Airlines 777s. And we lost two in them in the span of four months. That's an incredible coincidence. What ties them together, we don't know, but certainly the unwillingness to spend money that isn't necessary. We saw it in the case of MH-370 that Malaysia had chosen the cheapest Inmarsat package that didn't include geo-location data in their communications, and so that was one of the reasons it was so hard to locate where the plane is, and of course it remains missing to this day.
[Paul:] All righty, a dreadful coincidence when all is said and done. Jeff Weiss, Barry, Miles O'Brien, thank you, gentlemen, for being with us, sharing your insights.
[Blackwell:] Thank you all. Turning now to another major story, the crisis in the Middle East. We're going to go live to Gaza where clashes between Israel and Hamas have now increased along with the death toll and the destruction there.
[Paul:] Plus, oh, my goodness, this story and stories of people who were scheduled to be on Malaysian air flight 17, they escaped death.

[Blitzer:] Before Huma Abedin was dragged into her husband, Anthony Weiner's, scandal, she was best known as a long-time aide to Hillary Clinton. The Clinton connection is, of course, of interest to a lot of folks, especially given the intense speculation about a possible Hillary Clinton run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016. Our foreign affairs correspondent, Jill Dougherty, is joining us. She's got a little bit more on what's going on. What are you seeing out there, Jill?
[Jill Dougherty, Cnn Foreign Affairs Correspondent:] Wolf, Huma Abedin played a crucial role behind the scenes at the State Department for Hillary Clinton. But she's been out front during her husband's scandal. So is it helping or hurting?
[Dougherty:] Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton's elegant right-hand woman, profiled in magazines like "Harper's Bazaar." President Bill Clinton officiated at her wedding to Anthony Weiner. Hillary Clinton said, "If I had a second daughter, it would be Huma." Now, a stunning parallel: Abedin standing by her man...
[Huma Abedin, Anthony Weiner's Wife:] But I do very strongly believe that that is between us and our marriage.
[Dougherty:] ... just as Hillary Clinton stood by Bill Clinton 15 years ago.
[Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary Of State:] I'm not sitting here some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette.
[Dougherty:] Could this deja-vu scandal hurt Hillary Clinton's prospects for a presidential run in 2016? Questions already are brewing about the job Huma Abedin got at the State Department after she came back from maternity leave, returning as a special government employee. Republican Senator Chuck Grassley is accusing Abedin of "being paid by private investors to gather information from government employees." The State Department says she followed government rules. Their careers aligned, and there are now painful parallels in their personal lives. with the media replaying mirror images of Huma and Hillary.
[David Gergen, Cnn Political Analyst:] Clearly, people around Hillary would like this to go away quickly. So if he dropped out of the race and would disappear from headlines, that would be in their interests. But I think the I think the bigger question is this. One of the issues in a campaign that she launches is who is she going to be surrounded by?
[Dougherty:] Now, Gergen does think the scandal could end up hurting Huma Abedin's chance to take a major role in any Clinton campaign. Meanwhile, a source close to Hillary Clinton and to Huma Abedin tells CNN "Our concern and caring is entirely about Huma's personal well-being, nothing else" Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Gloria [SIC], thanks very much. Let's discuss a little bit what's going on with our chief political correspondent, Candy Crowley, also seen on our "STATE OF THE UNION," and our chief political analyst, Gloria Borger. What do you think, Candy? Could this Anthony Weiner affair impact Hillary Clinton's potential run for the Democratic presidential nomination?
[Candy Crowley, Cnn Chief Political Correspondent/anchor:] You know, possibly but there's so much there's such a body of knowledge and paper trails and everything else about Hillary Clinton that this seems to me kind of a minor thing along the trail. Could it, as David suggests, hurt her, should Huma come on? Maybe. But I think she's much more hurt by what's surrounding her job as sort of a freelancer at the State Department than anything her husband did. I think, you know, in the end, I still think society is pretty much able to look at this and go, this isn't her fault, for heaven's sake; it's his.
[Blitzer:] It's not Huma's fault; it's Anthony Weiner's fault.
[Crowley:] Right.
[Blitzer:] That's what you're saying. It's certainly not Hillary Clinton's fault.
[Crowley:] Right.
[Blitzer:] You agree?
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] I do agree. And you know, obviously, as David points out, the pictures are out there. And nobody wants to go back decades ago to the old to those old pictures. But this isn't about Hillary Clinton.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about a little political battle that has developed between the New Jersey governor, Chris Christie, and Rand Paul, the senator from Kentucky. Chris Christie, he was out in Aspen, Colorado, this week and speaking on national security. Clearly doesn't like some of the things that Rand Paul has been saying. Listen to this.
[Gov. Chris Christie , New Jersey:] This strain of libertarianism that's going through both parties right now, and making big headlines, I think is a very dangerous thought. I love all these esoteric debates that people are getting in.
[Unidentified Male:] Like Rand Paul, for example?
[Christie:] Listen, you can name any number of people. He's one of them. I mean, these esoteric intellectual debates. I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation, and they won't. Because that's a much tougher conversation to have.
[Blitzer:] To which an aide, top adviser to Rand Paul, said this: "If Governor Christie believes the constitutional rights and the privacy of all Americans is esoteric, he either needs a new dictionary or he needs to talk to more Americans, because a great number of them are concerned about the dramatic overreach of our government in recent years." What's really going on here, Candy?
[Crowley:] This is skirmishes. You can look toward 2016. When you have a party leader, when for instance, your guy is in the White House, President Obama has lots of folks who say lots of different things in the Democratic Party that he doesn't agree with. But he defines what the Democratic Party is right now. Right now, no one defines what the Republican Party is.
[Borger:] On anything.
[Crowley:] On anything. On anything. So you're going to see, it's not just about surveillance which we saw play up, by the way, on the House floor on both sides of the aisle. But we saw Republicans on that. We're going to see it on the debt ceiling and how far to go on that. We're going to see it on the budget and how far to go on that. So this is this is certainly a party in search of itself. And it won't find itself until it finds a nominee.
[Borger:] But I do think that Rand Paul is making a real calculation here looking towards 2016. And that is that the public is tired of two wars. They're skeptical about big government and about Big Brother, NSA surveillance and drones. And what Chris Christie is doing is taking the more traditional, hawkish John McCain, if you will, side of the Republican ledger there. And I do believe that you're going to see a real foreign policy fight play out in the Republican Party. We started to see it with Ron Paul in the last campaign during those debates. And I think you're going to see a continuation of it with his son.
[Crowley:] And that argument will be interesting, if Hillary Clinton should jump in the race, because what we have seen, in this century anyway, is Republicans losing their edge about who's tough on national security.
[Borger:] Right.
[Crowley:] Who's tough on defense. And certainly, Chris Christie is in the muscular side about wait a second. You know, we're going to do what we can to stop these guys. Get Hillary Clinton in there. She's no slouch in the Defense Department. And she is going to be sort of a force to be reckoned with on that score. So clearly, again, another split in the Republican Party. They're going to have to figure it out.
[Blitzer:] If Rand Paul and Chris Christie run for the Republican presidential nomination, I'm looking forward to moderating the debate between these two guys.
[Borger:] I tend to say there will be one.
[Blitzer:] That would be lively. Candy, I know you've got Jack Lew, the treasury secretary, on "STATE OF THE UNION" Sunday morning at 9 a.m. We'll be watching. Up next, President Obama has a big job to fill with huge importance to the economy. Is it turning, though, into a battle of the sexes?

[Cooper:] The search is on for a man whose dramatic escape from an Arkansas jail was caught on video. Officials said the inmate conspired with several other people to plan this escape right up to the woman who was waiting in the getaway car. Gary Tuchman has the story.
[Gary Tuchman, Cnn National Correspondent:] This man is about to escape from jail in the ease with which he does it is breathe taking. His name is Derrick Estelle. He is 33 with an extensive rap sheet, theft, burglary, breaking and entering. This past March, he had to be tear gassed out of an empty apartment after he allegedly stole a vehicle and wrecked it in Garland County, Arkansas. That brings us to the jail. He was here awaiting a court day on his latest charges. He's on the phone, but not necessarily talking to anybody. It's the beginning of his escape plan.
[Deputy Scott Hinojosa, Garland County Sheriff's Department:] There were only two deputies in the booking room at that time and at that time it was actually also our visitation, Sunday visitation for the inmates.
[Tuchman:] Estelle starts running and jumps through a window that he knew would be open and lands in the public lobby. Watch it again. It looks like a bad cartoon. He's then followed by a guard who was caught off guard and the chase begins. Estelle sprints as fast as he can to the parking lot and so do the sheriff's deputy, but there's a car waiting. Estelle gets in it and the car allegedly driven by a woman named Tamara Upshaw, who is now is serious legal trouble, too. The deputy got up to the car as it was pulling out and hit the passenger window, but they got away. This is the car. It was later located without its occupants. So how did this happen? How did a man now considered armed and dangerous get out of jail in less time it takes to run a 50-yard dash? First there's that phone call. Inmates are allowed to be on that phone, which is in a good place for a potential escape, close to that open window. Then there is this man, William Harding, he was visiting the jail and the sheriff's office says he's partly responsible.
[Hinojosa:] Mr. Harding asked one of the deputies a question at that time they turned their back to go get the information.
[Tuchman:] Harding turned into a sacrificial lamb because Estelle ended up free. Harding who was free is now in custody. And police think Harding and the driver of the getaway car aren't the only ones part of the plot.
[Hinojosa:] Seems to be well-thought out and evidently there were several individuals involved.
[Tuchman:] But authorities aren't saying much more than that as everyone here tries to figure out how something that is supposed to be so hard was made to look, so, so easy. Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.
[Cooper:] Unbelievable. There's a lot more happening tonight. Isha here is with the 360 Bulletin Isha.
[Isha Sesay, Cnn Correspondent:] Anderson, human error and equipment failure are likely to blame for the explosion at the propane gas plant in Central Florida last night that's according to a fire official.
[Chief Richard Keith, Tavares Fire Department:] Last night about 10:30 we had our first ignition over here at the Blue Rhino plant. I live about 2 or 3 miles away from here and it shook my house, so I knew it was bad right off the bad so responded here with crews. We've been here through the night. The fire is out, so you're in no danger here.
[Sesay:] Amazingly, only eight workers were injured. It took firefighters three hours to get the blaze out and nearby residents said it felt like bombs going off. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton breaking bread again in Washington, she had breakfast with Vice President Joe Biden, her potential Democratic rival in the 2016 race for the White House. Now this comes one day after she had lunch with President Obama. Actress Eileen Brennan has died. She was best known as the drill sergeant in the 1980 film "Private Benjamin" and the TV show with the same name. She also starred in "The Sting" and had guest roles in several other TV shows. Eileen Brennan was 80. And Anderson, a new mystery at King Richard III under a parking lot in Central England. Archaeologists have found a coffin inside the coffin containing unidentified human remains. This is just fascinating, a lead coffin. They don't know who is in it. They have a hole at one end of it and can see feet.
[Cooper:] Wow, that's weird.
[Sesay:] Yes, indeed. There is a hole
[Cooper:] I thought they already found his remains, so this is another coffin?
[Sesay:] You are very right. It's found near where Richard III was buried. They found this coffin and inside is another coffin. They don't know who is in it but
[Cooper:] Quite an active parking lot. All right, Isha, thanks very much. A $136 million in jewels stolen in broad daylight, are the notorious Pink Panthers to blame? The director of a new documentary called "Smash and Grab," all about this gang, talked to five members of the Pink Panthers and she joins me with her take on the brazen heist ahead.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Happening now, the U.S. weighing options for a military strike on Syria, even as the Obama administration continues scrambling for support. Hackers loyal to the Syrian regime take down the "New York Times" Web site. A "Times" correspondent is here with the paper's latest reporting on Syria. Plus, the emotional 50th anniversary of the March on Washington and the historic speech that galvanized the civil rights movement. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. We begin with an historic moment here in the United States the country's first African-American president, President Barack Obama, standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, commemorating the legacy of a man who stood in that very same spot 50 years ago today and delivering an iconic speech that paved the way for what we saw just a little while ago. The celebration of Dr. Martin Luther King's legacy, a champion of non- violence, comes amid some of the highest stakes for the Obama presidency, as the president weighs imminent military action against Syria for an apparent poison gas attack. CNN's senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, is over at the White House with the very latest. What's going on -Jim?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, President Obama did not touch on the situation in Syria during his speech at the Lincoln Memorial, although he did address some domestic political issues. It was a brief diversion for a president who is facing one of the biggest foreign policy challenges of his second term, if only he can overcome some major diplomatic hurdles.
[Acosta:] As the U.S. moved closer to military action, President Obama interrupted his deliberations over Syria to mark an historic milestone, the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] His words belonged to the ages, possessing a power and prophecy unmatched in our time.
[Acosta:] The speech was one of only a few public appearances this week for the president, who has little time to spend away from the White House. Any decision to strike Syria over its alleged use of chemical weapons is growing more complicated by the day. Over at the U.N., Syria's ambassador sounded the alarm and accused rebels in his country of launching their own gas attacks.
[Bashar Jaafari, Syrian Ambassador To U.n:] We are in a state of war right now, preparing ourselves for the worst scenario.
[Acosta:] A State Department spokeswoman argued Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad is responsible for his stockpiles and accused Russia of blocking U.N. action.
[Marie Harf, Deputy State Department Spokeswoman:] We cannot be held up in responding by Russia's intransigence continued intransigence at the United Nations.
[Acosta:] But in another potential delay, the British may require the U.N. to present its evidence.
[William Hague, British Foreign Secretary:] It is understandable that people want to see what the U.N. inspectors say.
[Acosta:] A White House official says the president is spending a lot of time on the decision, calling allies while his national security staff weighs legal justifications for a strike and both military and non-military options. One potential concern, cyber attacks, after hackers based in Syria claimed responsibility for shutting down the "New York Times" online. Up on Capitol Hill, more than 100 House members have signed a letter calling for Congressional authorization before a strike. GOP Senator Rand Paul said, "We should have an open debate in Congress over whether the situation warrants U.S. involvement." To satisfy so many demands, the U.S. and its allies could wait to attack until after President Obama's trip next week to the G20 in Russia.
[Anthony Cordesman, Center For Strategic And International Studies:] In many ways, there all right going to be unintended consequences if we do attack. And they may be even worse if we don't.
[Acosta:] But first, defense analyst, Anthony Cordesman, says the administration has to make sure it's soon to be released intelligence report on the chemical weapons attack has global credibility.
[Cordesman:] If it simply comes across as a piece of propaganda, it is going to do far more harm than good.
[Acosta:] Now administration officials say all of this diplomatic maneuvering is not going to impact the decision on whether to strike Syria, a response the White House has said over and over again is coming. But delays are another question. And the United Kingdom, Wolf, the Brits, they are one of those indispensable allies that the United States cannot do without. I talked to a former Obama administration official about this hiccup earlier this afternoon. And that official said this does, indeed, complicate things. On another front here at home, House Speaker John Boehner has just put out a statement, a letter to President Obama, calling for more answers, asking him to explain to the American people what is at stake in Syria and why the United States should commit military resources there. Wolf, there are questions on both sides of the Atlantic for this president this evening Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Yes, this debate intensifying on both sides of the Atlantic, especially here in the nation's capital. Jim Acosta, thanks very much. Let's bring in our political panel right now. Joining us, our chief national correspondent, John King, our chief political analyst, Gloria Borger, and the host of the new "CROSSFIRE," Van Jones, a former special adviser to President Obama. It's very interesting that when the president was a senator and he was dealing with these kinds of issues, this is what he said back in 2007 about using about Congressional authorization being required. "The president does not have power, under "The Constitution"" this is Senator Barack Obama "to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." That was then. Vice President Joe Biden, when he was a senator back in 2007, in a different context, going to war against Iran, said this. [Begin Video Clip From December 18, 2007, Courtesy Youtube/clifford Day]
[Joseph Biden, Vice President Of The United States:] And I want I want to make it clear and I made it clear to the president that if he takes the nation to war in Iran without Congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him.
[Biden:] And that's a fact. That is a fact.
[Blitzer:] "That is a fact," he said, "that is a fact." If he goes to war against Iran without Congressional approval, I will call for his impeachment you know, John, Iran is a major supporter of Syria Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. And the Iranians say they will retaliate if the U.S. were to launch these strikes.
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent Correspondent:] Well, that's one of the strategic calculations about how to do the military operation. And one of the great skepticism you get in Congress, you talk to retired diplomats, you talk to retired generals, is that can you deliver that blunt force on Syria, as the president is planning, without causing a domino effect? Look at a map. There's Lebanon. There's Israel. Iran not that far away. The whole, you know, the Gulf Region right there. The administration is trying to come up with a military plan that punishes Syria without having a ripple effect outside of Syria. Wolf, you know the neighborhood very well. That's incredibly small. As for those comments you just played, welcome to the political debate back home. There's a lot of hangover, legacy of the Iraq War debate, in the debate now, whether it's about skepticism about the intelligence. The president publicly saying this is not about regime change. That's Saddam Hussein reverberating years later. So the president has got some tough calls to make.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] There's a big hangover, obviously
[Unidentified Male:] Right.
[Borger:] from the question of Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction. And the letter from the House speaker that Jim Acosta just spoke about is so interesting to me, because what he specifically he asked a whole bunch of questions. One of his questions is, what result is the administration seeking from its response? So what in other words, what he's saying is, what's your mission statement here? Tell me what you want to do, because you
[Blitzer:] Van, you worked
[Borger:] haven't consulted me.
[Blitzer:] You worked for the president.
[Van Jones, Cnn Co-host, Crossfire:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] If this were Bush in the White House, and he were still a senator and Bush was about to launch missile strikes against Syria, wouldn't that Senator Barack Obama want Congressional authorization at first?
[Jones:] Well, welcome to checks and balances. Yes, of course. When you're on the legislative part, you want to make sure that you have the role there. But I think the president is very clear. He's trying to do something that's tough to do. He's threading a needle here. He has to react. We can't have a week go by while we talk and while and then more people get gassed. If we're sitting here a week from now and more Syrian people get gassed
[Blitzer:] One hundred thousand have already been killed
[Jones:] And if they
[Blitzer:] through conventional weapons.
[Jones:] That is terrible. But we cannot have a new normal in the world where
[Borger:] But it happened in the spring.
[Jones:] chemical weapons well
[Borger:] But it happened last spring, too.
[Jones:] Sure. But there was there was dispute and there was discussion about whether it was them, whether it was the rebels. This is now we know for sure, according to the U.S. government, that this is this is innocent civilians, men, women, children and babies being gassed. This is an emergency. He's got to respond. But he can't tip us over into a situation where we get sucked into a real war. So he's got to try and, send a message, but not topple the regime, create a
[Borger:] But the law of unintended consequences says And that's what John Boehner is asking and that's what other members of Congress are asking, which is, OK, what does Assad do? We don't know what his response is. Do we get drawn into some kind of a quagmire here that we're not willing to pay for
[Unidentified Male:] Right.
[Borger:] or that we're not willing to pay for in money, in blood or treasure, right?
[King:] And, again that's the hangover from Iraq.
[Borger:] Right.
[King:] We would be greeted as liberators. It would be a short war. It would be over very quickly
[Blitzer:] That's what they said.
[King:] it wouldn't cost that much. The Iraqi oil would pay for it. None of that happened. And so have a more assertive Congress now. But if the tide were turned if the tide were turned and we had a Republican president There's a letter circulating now
[Blitzer:] The difference between
[King:] The Republicans
[Blitzer:] the difference then between then and now 2003 and now, is there was Congressional authorization to go after Saddam Hussein. The House passed it and the Senate passed it
[Jones:] Wolf
[Blitzer:] And the president had that authorization. You don't expect, in the next few days, Congress, which isn't even in session now, to pass a resolution authorizing the use of force in Syria?
[Jones:] I don't. But let me tell you what what I think the steps are. I think the president needs to respond to deter further action, respond to degrade the capacity for more innocent men, women and children to be gassed. We cannot have a new normal where that begins to happen. And to your point, since we didn't do it in March, I think that's not an argument not to
[Blitzer:] So you want I want to move on. I want to move on. I want to move on. But I just want to be clear.
[Jones:] Yes?
[Blitzer:] So you support if the president were to
[Jones:] A limited strike.
[Blitzer:] do this, even though there's no Congressional authorization, no NATO vote, no United Nations Security Council vote, no Arab League vote, that he is basically going in with a few allies, you say it's OK for the United States to do that?
[Jones:] I say it's OK for a limited retaliatory strike this week to send a message that you can't keep doing this. Then he's got to stop
[Blitzer:] For humanitarians reasons.
[Jones:] For humanitarian reasons to send
[Blitzer:] Because U.S. interests U.S. national security is not in danger.
[Jones:] The U.S. has a national security interest in not having a new normal on the world stage where innocent children can be gassed by dictators. That is true. And then you stop after that retaliatory strike and you've got to talk to Congress.
[Borger:] But there's no guarantees. That's the problem.
[Jones:] Fair enough.
[Borger:] Because if Assad loses command and control
[Jones:] But there's
[Borger:] could it of chemical weapons
[Jones:] There is more risk now
[Borger:] could it go into the wrong hands?
[Jones:] I agree with you. But there is more risk now for not acting than for acting.
[Blitzer:] You know, we heard a lot about Dr. Martin Luther King, appropriately, today. A lot of people don't remember I remember, and I'm sure all of you remember after that speech 50 years ago, before he was assassinated a few years later, he became one of the principal opponents of the U.S. war in Vietnam. Let me play you a clip of what he said in opposing that kind of warfare.
[Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr:] The world now demands a
[Blitzer:] That was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.. in 1967. A quick question. If he were alive today I wish he were alive today if he were alive today, would he support military operations in Syria?
[Jones:] I'm sure that Dr. King would not. And it's interesting. I actually was born in '68, so I was born the year that he was killed. I'm sure
[Borger:] Don't rub it in.
[Jones:] This is a true story, a true story. So I was born the year that he killed that he was killed and Bobby Kennedy was killed. Certainly that generation, the Vietnam generation, in my generation, the Iraq War generation has learned that you do not go into and put troops on the ground recklessly. But this is not what the president is proposing. He's basically saying we're going to do a brush back, tell this guy you can't keep doing this. And then he should come to Congress and we should discuss what's going forward. And we also should build a coalition of forces to move forward here.
[Blitzer:] All right, guys, we'll continue this conversation, but a good start to our program here in THE SITUATION ROOM. Thanks very much. Up next, the new times the "New York Times," I should say, knocked offline, apparently Syrian hackers. We've invited the paper's national security correspondent to deliver their latest reporting on Syria right here in THE SITUATION ROOM. Stand by for Mark Mazzetti. Plus, Presidents Carter, Clinton and Obama all speaking at this very emotional 50th anniversary of the March on Washington.

[Burnett:] Our fourth story OUTFRONT is money and power. The FCC considering doing something absolutely incredible, letting passengers use their cell phones on planes. Now this is either hell to you or heaven. You can make calls and send texts when your plane is above 10,000 feet. Richard Quest is that host
[Richard Quest, Host, Cnni's "quest Means Business":] You have to forgive me. I said that there would only be three of them. Look, I'm on the plane!
[Burnett:] This is why some people will say it's hell.
[Quest:] But it's coming. The
[Fcc -- Burnett:] They say it is safe.
[Quest:] We know it's safe. Of that there's no doubt.
[Burnett:] There are people who say it will interfere with the plane and make it crash.
[Quest:] No, no, no. There is an antenna in the roof of the aircraft, several of them and that stops the cell signal from become too powerful. Your cell phone latches on to that and it is perfectly safe. It was done in Europe for a while. They've got clients all over the place who are doing it. This is not a technology issue. This is a sociological issue.
[Burnett:] Which brings me to the point because on Emirates, an example here. You sometimes hear people on the phone talking about completely irrelevant silly things and there is nowhere to go. You have to listen to the whole conversation and it's awful. But I want cell phones on the plane. How do I prevent that?
[Quest:] There is a difference between connectivity and telephoning. What you want is the former and what there maybe is the latter. People who are really against this are the flight attendants. They're ones who have to argue, to be referees with passengers who say they're too much noise.
[Burnett:] Passengers will get in fights about this. No question about it.
[Quest:] Tonight's OUTFRONT vote, @richardquest, yes or no to cell phones on planes.
[Burnett:] I'm wondering how this will go. I'm dying for this.
[Quest:] You're a hypocrite.
[Burnett:] I am a hypocrite because I do relish the fact nobody can reach me. You can all go to hell, all right.
[Quest:] So I said to her, there is no way I'm going to do this. It is clearly going to be I'm on the phone. Can't you see?
[Burnett:] That's it. Goodbye to Richard. Anyway, go to @richardquest, please and vote. Let us know yes or no to cell phones on planes. Still to come, a risky takeoff, a giant cargo plane 747 lands on a runway. I don't know how it did that with no clue the runway was half a mile too short and then it couldn't take off. We are going to show you the video. Plus, a sneak peek at the Republicans' play book. I've got the GOP's 18-page guide that explains how they'll kill Obamacare. We are going to put their feet to the fire. And Vice President Joe Biden, red faced at a sandwich shop today. The second most powerful man in the United States did not bring enough money to pay the check.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] All right, Jake, thank you. Happening now, Olympic terror threats we have new details of the ongoing investigation. And we've just learned the source of the latest threat. Why is this one being taken so seriously? Power to kill an exclusive look at what explosives hidden inside a toothpaste tube can really do. How easy it is to make this deadly device? Caught on tape a top American diplomat making a shocking remark about a top U.S. ally. Who was the target of her profane outburst? And canine hostage Taliban militants release video of a military dog captured in Afghanistan. Does it belong to the United States? I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM. But we begin with the breaking news. The eyes of the world are on the Russian city of Sochi and the Winter Olympic Games. But growing fear of terrorism is certainly looming over the competition, as we learn the U.S. is investigating now multiple plots against the Games, including the latest involving explosives hidden inside toothpaste and cosmetic tubes. Our chief national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto, is joining us Jim, you're learning about new action that is now being taken to try to counter some of these plots?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right. This is the first security measure in response to the revelation of a new threat of bringing explosives onto airliners contained in toothpaste tubes. And it came within 24 hours of this threat first being revealed to the public. This is what we're learning right now from the TSA, the Transportation Security Administration. They have directed that no liquids, gels, aerosols and powders of any size be permitted on flights from the U.S. to Russia. The particular measure directed just at flights from the U.S. to Russia. So something unusual here that this check will take place at the gate of those flights rather than at the TSA checkpoints that serves many flights around the world and around the country. So different from the 2006 liquid bomb plot, when all liquids were banned on all flights in the US. Additionally, we're told by the TSA that people traveling to the Russian Federation will need to personally check in at airline desks, including Delta. They won't be able to use online check in. These measures showing how seriously U.S. security officials are taking this particular threat. I am told that U.S. authorities are now tracking a number of terror threats related to the Olympics and they're taking them all seriously. But the threats have varying degrees of credibility. The urgent challenge right now, assessing whether the threats are purely in the planning stages or something that the attackers have the means to carry out.
[Sciutto:] CNN has learned U.S. authorities are working with Russia and other countries tonight to try to disrupt several plots related to the Olympics. Beyond the toothpaste tube terror threat, it sparked a warning to airlines flying to the gates.
[Rep. Adam Schiff , California:] There are some specific threat leads that we have. But at the same time, it's difficult to ascertain whether these are aspirational, whether this is what the terrorists would like to do, or whether this is operational, whether they've actually put this into effect, whether they have the means of carrying this out.
[Sciutto:] U.S. officials are concerned the intelligence regarding the threat of attackers using toothpaste or cosmetic tubes to hide explosives originated from the group led by this man, Doka Umarov, who leads Chechen terrorists who have publicly threatened the Games.
[Rep. Michael Mccaul , Chairman, Homeland Security Committee:] The plot itself originated from the leader of the Chechen rebel extremists, Umarov. That's where this plot actually hatched out of.
[Sciutto:] While U.S. officials have increasing confidence about security inside the Olympic venue, transportation hubs leading to the Games, including planes, trains and automobiles, are still seen as softer targets and more vulnerable. Today, Russia's deputy prime minister insisted Sochi is safe.
[Dmitry Kozak, Deputy Prime Minister, Russia:] I would like to repeat once again that the level of security in the city of Sochi is not worse than New York, London, Washington or Boston.
[Sciutto:] That is little reassurance to some. Chechen terrorists have struck in the air before. Black widow bombers are believed to have brought down two jets in Russia in 2004. However, the intense security focus by Russian and international authorities now may make it more difficult for a similar plot to succeed again.
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] I can't think of a case where there's been a serious warning publicly and then something actually happened. None leap to mind.
[Sciutto:] Concern about the toothpaste threat led French officials to arrest two Chechen women this week in France. They, however, found no evidence the women were a threat or had plans to travel to Russia. There are, however, continued concerns about intelligence cooperation with the Russians, Wolf. And what I'm told is that when it comes to threats outside of Russia, there's pretty good cooperation. But inside Russia, that's where U.S. officials have serious concerns about whether the Russians share everything that they know. And, of course, with the Olympics inside Russia, it creates a major concern for Americans traveling.
[Blitzer:] Yes, I know they're also very it's in addition to the so- called toothpaste bombs. They're worried about suicide bombers going after softer targets, maybe not in that so-called ring of steel, but outside, to embarrass Putin, if you will.
[Sciutto:] Exactly. I mean you have a situation where any attack around Russia during the Olympics would, in effect, be an embarrassment. So that shows the seriousness here and the difficulty of tamping down all these threats.
[Blitzer:] One source telling me, quote, "We'd be very lucky to get through this without an attack." So it's obviously a source of grave concern. Jim Sciutto, thanks very much. The U.S. is standing by To respond by land, sea and air to any terror attack on the Sochi Games if asked. And we're getting an inside look at how that might play out. Our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, is working this part of the story for us. What are you picking up Barbara?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, it the worse does happen, it will be the State Department that will be in charge. But behind-the-scenes, classified plans are being put in place across the government.
[Starr:] If there is an attack at the Olympics that kills or injures Americans, the U.S. will activate an extensive response plan.
[Peter Brookes, Heritage Foundation:] If something does happen, you're going to see the information systems of the United States government light up.
[Starr:] It begins here in Sochi, at a U.S. operations center where dozens of security personnel are on the ground. Agents will accompany American athletes to every venue. But if terrorists strike, they will shift gears. FBI agents will gather information and evidence, intelligence personnel will try to find out what the Russians know. In any aftermath, communications from Sochi to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow will be around the clock. U.S. diplomats will talk to Russian counterparts, making arrangements to help any Americans who need it. But the U.S. will have to defer to Moscow.
[Brookes:] This is Russia's show. This is Russian sovereign territory and international coordination is going to be critical if there is a disaster or an attack on the ground.
[Starr:] The Pentagon emphasizes it would only move in if Russia asks for help.
[Chuck Hagel, Secretary Of Defense:] We want them to know that if they need our help, we want to help.
[Starr:] The major military job, evacuate American citizens if there is no commercial aviation.
[Hagel:] If we need to extract our citizens, we will have appropriate arrangements with the Russians to do this.
[Starr:] The U.S. European command in Stuttgart, Germany now has direct communication with Russian military commanders in the Sochi region. The two Navy warships, Mount Whitney and Taylor, now in the Black Sea off Sochi, could use helicopters to quickly evacuate U.S. government VIPs and provide communications for other U.S. assets. In Ramstein, Germany, U.S. C-17 transport aircraft stand by with medical teams that could be in the air six hours after getting orders. U.S. officials say the Russians have told them they will medically treat and stabilize any Americans who are injured and then they will call for an evacuation Wolf.
[Blitzer:] All right, Barbara, thank you. With the new warnings of explosives possibly hidden inside a toothpaste tube, we wanted to see how much damage that kind of device could actually do. The result of our test is very disturbing. Brian Todd is here with an exclusive look Brian, tell us what we did and what you're finding out.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, we have found that it does not take much 6.3 ounces of an explosive, not much more than the amount of toothpaste in these two carry-on sized containers, can blast a hole in the fuselage of a passenger plane. Here's a look at what that amount of explosive did in the test that we commissioned.
[Todd:] Explosives hidden inside a toothpaste tube can be powerful and potentially deadly. This bomb in a toothpaste container blew off a car door, sent parts of it across the quarry in Southwestern England, where CNN commissioned this test, with the help of Sidney Alford, an expert who helps first responders understand explosives. What kind of damage could this bomb do?
[Sydney Alford, President, Alford Technologies:] I wouldn't like to be in an airplane in which that exploded, not even a big one.
[Todd:] For this test, Alford used an explosive called RDX, a white crystalline powder. He mixed it with another ingredient to create a paste. In this container, he filled about three quarters with his explosive concoction, the rest with toothpaste.
[Alford:] It smells and tastes like toothpaste. I have presented this in such a way that somebody giving it a casual inspection will probably pass it.
[Todd:] The size of the container Alford used is the size that you have to place in checked baggage at an airport. But Alford says two smaller containers this size, which you can carry on a plane, can also be used. These tubes would have to be attached or placed very near each other to create a similar explosion that can be detonated by a heat source Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And we also know that this is not just some, you know, kind hypothetical kind of development. There has been a case a reported case that's been well documented where a toothpaste bomb exploded a plane?
[Todd:] Absolutely, there has, Wolf, 1976, October 1976. Anti-Castro Cuban operatives hid explosives in a tube of Colgate, brought down a Cubana Airlines flight over the Caribbean. More than 70 people were killed in that bombing. It didn't take much and it didn't take a very big container.
[Blitzer:] And I know you have much more in our next hour on the tests that we commissioned.
[Todd:] Absolutely.
[Blitzer:] Brian, thanks very much...
[Todd:] Sure.
[Blitzer:] for that very disturbing report. Brian Todd reporting. Up next, we're getting new information out of the White House right now on the Sochi threats. Our senior White House correspondent, Brianna Keilar, is standing by live. We'll go to her in just a moment. Also, it's not just the security fears visitors are finding Sochi hotels unprepared for. Guests, in some cases, construction is unfinished for them. You won't believe what happened to our own Ivan Watson. And he's in his hotel. We're going to check in with him. We're going live to Sochi. And a top American diplomat using some very undiplomatic language speaking about Europe.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning, welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, August 27th, 7:00 in the east. Coming up this hour, former students of Donald Trump's "university" are coming forward slamming the program. We're going to hear from one man who says the program is a fraud and that Donald Trump needs to do the right thing by those he duped. The Donald is facing a $40 million lawsuit over this. He denies the accusations, but the alleged proof could be fairly significant. We'll show it to you.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] You remember the rodeo clown who created an uproar when he wore a mask of President Obama during one of his performances at a state fair. The stunt got him banned from the fair. He's now speaking out, saying it was only a joke and that it had nothing to do with race. But the fury may not have fully died down. He also says he's received death threats. We'll have an update.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] We have an exclusive here on NEW DAY. You remember the story about the fisherman who went overboard during the storm, treaded water for 24 hours without a life vest off the coast of Florida? We get to speak with him live about that unimaginable experience, how does he able to do it and what was that moment of rescue like? That's coming up.
[Cuomo:] We begin with breaking news overnight out of Syria. The U.S. and its allies appear to be laying the groundwork for a response to the Syrian regime and its alleged chemical attack on its own people. Meanwhile, the visit of a U.N. team to inspect the attack site has been postponed again over security concerns. We have this story like only CNN can, including the only western reporter in Syria. But let's start with Chris Lawrence at the Pentagon. Chris?
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Chris, U.S. officials say they don't need to wait on the U.N. inspectors, and now we may be on the verge of finding out why. The U.S. could release its intelligence estimate of what happened at that alleged chemical weapons attack as soon as today. But Russia is already warning of "catastrophic consequences" if the U.S. goes ahead with a strike on Syria.
[Lawrence:] Within days, President Obama's national security team will present him with its final detailed options, and the administration is already making the case for taking action against Syria.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's most vulnerable people.
[Lawrence:] Secretary of State John Kerry accused the Assad regime of gassing its own people and called it
[Kerry:] a moral obscenity.
[Lawrence:] If the president gives the order a senior defense officials says four Navy destroyers in the Mediterranean Sea could execute a mission within hours. U.S. and British submarines are also likely nearby, all armed with cruise missiles. The extremely accurate tomahawks can be fired from 500 miles away, with an ability to change course in midflight. The potential targets include the delivery systems that can be used to launch weapons, militia training camps being run by Bashar al Assad, and most importantly, the Syrian government's command and control centers. The options are not designed to overthrow Assad's government but send a message to deter any further use of chemical weapons, President Obama's red line.
[Richard Haass, President, Council On Foreign Relations:] Any time you throw down a diplomatic gauntlet your words have repercussions.
[Lawrence:] Weapons inspectors are still on the ground. They need to finish up their work and leave. Then the intelligence estimate has to come out, a proof, a justification for the American people. And the president needs to come forward and explain to the American people what's going to be done. But in between that and the president traveling to Russia at the end of next week seems to be a narrow window where a strike could take place. Kate?
[Bolduan:] It's getting narrower as we speak. Thank you for that update from the Pentagon. So with the U.S. possibly leaning toward military action in Syria, what is going on inside the country? CNN's Fred Pleitgen is the only western network in the country. He joins us live from the capital of Damascus. Fred, despite warnings from the United States of destroying evidence on the ground, you said last hour that you're still seeing Syrian forces are pounding that area. What more are you learning?
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn International Correspondent:] They're pounding it more than I've ever seen them hit it before. What we're seeing is artillery strikes as well as mortar strikes on the suburbs of Damascus, those areas where the chemical weapons were allegedly used. However the Syrian government also appears to be hearing the messages that it's getting out of Washington. There was a press conference by the Syrian foreign minister, which is actually still going on, where he said the reason why the Syrians are pounding those areas so heavily is because they are afraid that they will get overrun by the armed opposition that of course controls that area. As we said, the U.S. doesn't buy that at all. They think that the Syrians are trying to destroy evidence out there. The interesting thing also about this press conference is that the Syrian foreign minister directly addressed Secretary of State Kerry, saying that it was not the Syrians who were holding up the chemical weapons inspectors. They say they've been asking for chemical weapons inspectors to come into the country for months and that it was the international community that was delaying their coming down here. Of course today we're hearing that the weapons inspectors are not going to be able to go out and collect evidence today because of security concerns. The Syrian government says it's because different rebel groups have not been able to reach some sort of compromise as to securing the weapons inspectors on the ground. However, of course, it is another blow to the mission that's already been delayed for a long time. Kate?
[Bolduan:] Defiant it seems in the face of all of its growing international pressure to face the music on this. Thanks so much, Fred Pleitgen in Damascus, thanks.
[Cuomo:] There's been a lot of talk on the situation. Let's see if we can get some answers. Joining us now is "Daily Beast" senior political writer and senior fellow at the New America Foundation Peter Beinart. Pete, thanks for joining us here. Let's just go through the punch points here. Do you think there will be U.S. military action?
[Peter Beinart, Senior Political Writer, "the Daily Beast":] That's very likely.
[Cuomo:] And do you think it will be air strike or on the ground?
[Beinart:] Air strike. I think the Obama administration is pretty clear they want to avoid U.S. troops on the ground at all costs.
[Cuomo:] Unilateral or through a coalition, and if so, who is in that coalition?
[Beinart:] I think probably Britain and France, Germany. I'm sure the United States would love some at least rhetorical support from some of the Arab countries that are against Syria as well.
[Cuomo:] Is that advisable for the U.S. to go it alone here?
[Beinart:] The Obama administration is trying to walk a line. They don't want to get so involved that the cost could really be very high, the American people are against that, and they're frankly concerned about the rebels fighting against Assad. I'm not sure they want to bring them to power but they want to send the message you can't use chemical weapons today.
[Cuomo:] But why force with force if they're worried about punishing Assad but not too much because they don't believe the rebels are ready to rule. What situation
[Beinart:] That's right. If you looked at Kerry's statement, he said almost nothing about the larger Syrian civil war and Assad himself. He focused only on chemical weapons. I think they're going to try to narrowly focus this on the international norm that you should never use chemical weapons to punish that or future potential dictators who might, but to stay out of the larger conflict.
[Cuomo:] The U.S. situation is starting to remind me of Kosovo here where you want to get in because there's human atrocity but you don't know how to get out. Is that what we're seeing?
[Beinart:] Kosovo was a bombing campaign that lasted for weeks. I think the suggestion is here it might only be for days. And in Kosovo we want to change battles on the ground. Listening to Kerry yesterday, they're not trying to change the balance on the ground as much as to send a message that nobody can use chemical weapons and get away with it.
[Cuomo:] We interviewed the president last Thursday night and he says hold on, Chris. The international community and we have laws and American people and Afghanistan. Slow down, take it easy. Now they look like they're in a hurry to use force as quickly as possible. Why? What is the calculation?
[Beinart:] I think Obama's larger desire is not to get America into a third Middle Eastern conflict. That's part of the strategic vision of his entire presidency. But he had gone out and said himself that if the Syrian regime used chemical weapons that would be considered a red line. Once he put himself out there, I think it was difficult for him given the gravity of this attack, a truly horrendous attack with chemical weapons, for him to do nothing.
[Cuomo:] Ironically, quick take, does Russia saying don't do this help the chances that it doesn't have to be a military response?
[Beinart:] No, but my guess would be we're trying to send a message to the Russian, look, this is going to be a limited strike. We're not trying to overthrow Assad, and that will lead their response to not be that severe.
[Cuomo:] Peter Beinart thank you for the insight.
[Bolduan:] Let's turn to some dangerous weather here at home, the fierce wildfire burning in and around Yosemite National Park showing no signs of letting up, and it's threatening San Francisco's water supply and power grid. The rim fire burned through almost 161,000 acres so far, the 13th largest wildfire in California history. CNN's Nick Valencia is live in Groveland, California, tracking it all this morning. Good morning, Nick.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. Some good news this morning, the containment is up to 20 percent, up from 15 percent yesterday. But the smoke this morning is just miserable. It's a constant reminder there's a wildfire still raging.
[Valencia:] Huge plumes of smoke fill the sky as the rim fire continues to rage nearly out of control. Firefighters made small progress on Monday, saying the fire is still less than a quarter contained, but the dangerous inferno is still rated to have extreme growth potential as massive flames ignite rows of trees and dry brush. The fire inched near Yosemite National Park growing to an area roughly the size of Chicago. More than two dozen aircraft are used to fight the fire, the steep terrain making it impossible to access some of the forest by land. Campgrounds now turned into ashes, this car completely charred. But the flames are still miles from one of the biggest Yosemite landmarks, Yosemite Valley, home of the half dome, a rock formation that attracts thousands of tourists every year.
[Lee Bentley, Spokesman For The U.s. Forest Service:] Visitors are here by the thousands, going through the north entrance. This year that's not going to happen.
[Valencia:] The fire also threatens a reservoir that supplies both water and power sources for San Francisco.
[Jerry Brown, Governor Of California:] All the ash and loose debris onto the water, the water gets contaminated, that's bad.
[Valencia:] As well as several groves of towering sequoias, some of the oldest living things on the planet. Groveland, California, is looking more like a ghost town. The owner of this bar says it's peak season leaded into Labor Day. With the highway closed into Yosemite, she says her business in Groveland is down a staggering 98 percent.
[Unidentified Female:] Everyone who owns businesses here is terrified.
[Valencia:] The economic impact is yet to be seen, but businesses and residents are grateful for the 3,700 firefighters risking their lives to try and contain the inferno. And Chris, given the size of this fire and how many firefighters are fighting it, it's remarkable to note that one has died. Back to you.
[Cuomo:] It is important. It just shows it could be worse what's going on out there. Nick, thank you very much. A late summer heat wave has parts of the Midwest and plains states sweltering. Heat advisories are in effect for seven states. Let's figure out what this means. We have CNN meteorologist Indra Petersons on it of course tracking these high pressure systems. What does it mean?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] We're talking about temperatures literally 20 degrees above normal. Once you add in the humidity many of these places feel like 100 to 110 degrees.
[Petersons:] One of the first lessons of the new school year, how to beat the heat. Students huddle around fans just to stay cool. Water bottles, popsicles and ice are small pieces of relief.
[Unidentified Female:] Students brought in fans, my friend brought in ice. So we're going to pass out ice.
[Unidentified Male:] We have water bottles right up there so we'll stay hydrated I think.
[Unidentified Female:] It's just really hot and it's just hard because we're sweating you an all that stuff like that.
[Petersons:] Temperatures across parts of the Midwest are soaring into the upper 90s with heat indices in the triple digits. Many of the schools aren't equipped with air conditioners, causing some to call for early dismissals and others to cancel the day all together.
[Unidentified Male:] We don't dismiss just because kids are hot. We dismiss because learning suffers.
[Petersons:] And parents say it's the right move.
[Unidentified Female:] I think it's the right call. It's hot. There's no air conditioning.
[Petersons:] It may be a heat wave in the heartland but in the desert it was a wave of dust. A monstrous dust storm called a haboob swept through southern Arizona Monday evening with visibility less than a quarter of a mile. In southern California, residents are recovering from this weekend's flash floods that waterlogged stores and neighborhoods. The rising water stranded drivers and claimed one life. The national weather service reported a 77-year-old California woman was swept away in her car. As we take a look at the map you can see what a huge area the Midwest is dealing with advisories and warnings. In Minneapolis we're talking about temperatures feeling like 115 in some places, 100, 105 when you combine the temperature alone with the humidity. Let's talk about the temperatures that dome of high pressure holding in strong and these temperatures are 20 degrees above normal. That's without even factors in the humidity alone. Des Moines today 103 degrees, we're talking about 96 degrees in Minneapolis, St. Louis 96. Is it just a one-day event, are we going to get relief? Unfortunately not. As we go through tomorrow barely any relief, maybe a degree, 101 still expected in Des Moines, still about 94 degrees, taking you further in through Thursday that high pressure is holding on and we're talking about temperatures. That's 90 to 100 degrees without the humidity. Combine that 110 degrees and that's just way too hot.
[Bolduan:] It's 20 degrees above the norm, amazing.
[Petersons:] No, thank you.
[Bolduan:] But thank you, Indra. Let's move now to Texas where we're expecting another dramatic day of testimony in the sentencing phase of Army Major Nidal Hasan's court- martial. Prosecutors expect to call more victim's relatives and Ft. Hood survivors to testify. They're pushing for a rare military death sentence for Hasan. CNN's Ed Lavandera is live in Texas with more this morning. Give us a preview, Ed.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. This trial is now into its fourth week, and yesterday's testimony is by far the most excruciating we've heard yet. Families and survivors are struggling to find peace four years after the Fort Hood massacre. Victims' families talked about depression and thoughts of suicide. The wounds from that horrific day are more than just physical. This was the immediate aftermath of the Fort Hood massacre. Emergency crews scrambled to save lives but the real impact of that horrific day is only now coming into full view. The jury in the trial of Nidal Hasan is hearing emotional testimony from a dozen witnesses including relatives of those killed and victims who survived. Staff Sergeant Patrick Zeigler was shot four times, once in the head. Doctors had to remove 20 percent of his brain. Zeigler says he's retiring from the army in October, and fears he'll never be able to hold a regular job. He told the jury, "it's affected every facet of my personality. I am a lot angrier, a lot darker than I used to be." 21-year-old private Francesca Valez was pregnant when she was gunned down inside the Fort Hood medical processing building. Other survivors said they could hear her screaming my baby! my baby! before her voice went silent. Her father Juan Velez testified, "this man did not just kill 13 people. He killed my grandson,and he killed me slowly." For the first time in court, Nidal Hasan appeared flustered, repeatedly asking the judge for breaks during the testimony.
[Lavandera:] Prosecutors have seven or so more witnesses they want to call to the witness stand to talk to the jury about the impact of the Fort Hood massacre has had on their lives and then it will be Nidal Hasan's turn, his last chance to speak to the jury and it's still unclear how he's going to react and what he may or may not say. Kate and Chris?
[Bolduan:] Many twists and turns in this court-martial so far. Thanks so much, Ed for the update.
[Cuomo:] A lot of news going on right now, so let's get to Michaela for the headlines. Mick?
[Pereira:] All right, good morning to the two of you. Good morning to you at home. George Zimmerman's legal team plans to ask the state of Florida to pay up to $300,000 of his legal expenses. This would cover some of the money spent on expert witnesses, travel expenses, and transcript fees during his murder trial. Zimmerman was acquitted in the death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin. Under Florida law an acquitted defendant can ask the court to pay some of the costs in the case. Army Private Bradley Manning's decision to drop the bombshell he wanted to live as a woman named Chelsea happened after a military prison said it would not provide hormone treatment even though Manning had been diagnosed with gender identity disorder by an army psychiatrist who testified at his trial. His attorney also revealing new details to the Associated Press including Chelsea Manning's new middle name, Elizabeth. Eight democratic senators and congressmen want to know if the NSA has beeb supplying the DEA with intelligence information used to make non- terrorism cases against Americans. They're calling on Attorney General Eric Holder to answer questions raised in a Reuters report. It claims a secretive DEA unit passes NSA information out to agents from the IRS, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security. Little Sarah Murnaghan, the brave 11-year-old who endured two adult double lung transplants in June, she is going home today. Doctors say Murnaghan has sure come a long way. She is free of oxygen from using an oxygen tank for the first time in two and a half years, though she still needs a machine to help her breathe. Murnaghan has end-stage cystic fibrosis. Earlier this year a judge sided with her parents, allowing her to be considered earlier on the adult lung transplant list. We wish her a wonderful, and warm welcome home. Finally want to show you, a bad case of road rage in Russia. Look at this distracted driver talking on the phone nearly causes an accident, so a guy gets out of his car, reaches out and does that. Smashes the guy's cell phone on the ground. Sometimes, folks, you might feel like doing this. I highly, highly suggest you don't. Not only because of the legal ramifications our legal expert here on the set will tell you about but also because you don't know what that person might do in reaction to that. People don't react well.
[Bolduan:] He is doing what I have thought about doing so many times.
[Pereira:] But no lady, don't do it.
[Cuomo:] But it does make people, put you into a rage, you look over.
[Pereira:] Put the cell phone down.
[Cuomo:] Almost crashed because you're not paying attention.
[Pereira:] We can go on and on.
[Bolduan:] We will list all the moments. But we won't do that because it's a happy day. Let's move on. Coming up next on NEW DAY, confessions of a rodeo clown. He says the stunt he pulled at the Missouri state fair mocking President Obam,a he says it was a joke but now he's getting death threats. We'll hear from him.
[Cuomo:] Plus Trump University, was it really the scam operation that New York attorney general says it was? You'll hear for the first time from a student who says he did get taken. Straight ahead.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour. The U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has just left the Middle East after his 10th visit in five months, following a week of intense shuttle diplomacy. Despite the much vaunted U.S. pivot to Asia, the State Department says, in fact, Kerry spends more than half his time on Middle Eastern issues, trying to deal with fires in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere, and also trying to finally reach that elusive peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians, which this week, even won faint praise from Israel's hardline foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, who said Kerry's written framework is the best Israel can expect. The Israeli government's position gets strong support from the diaspora. And one of the leading voices belongs to Lord Jonathan Sacks, who until recently was Britain's chief rabbi for 22 years, cementing his position as a respected public intellectual with a wide audience and influence. One of the most divisive figures in the history of Israel, meanwhile, is Ariel Sharon, the former prime minister who has been in a coma for the last eight years. I spoke to Rabbi Sacks as Sharon's condition continues to worsen. I asked him about the peace process and Israel's isolation, about a troubling rise in anti-Semitism here in Europe, as well as a rapprochement between Judaism and the Vatican under Pope Francis.
[Amanpour:] Rabbi Sacks, welcome.
[Rabbi Jonathan Sacks:] Thank you.
[Amanpour:] Thank you for joining me here. Ariel Sharon has been on his deathbed for a long time since suffering a stroke many, many years ago. His condition appears to be deteriorating. Your thoughts if he looks to be coming to the end of his life?
[Sacks:] I knew Ariel Sharon towards the end. And he was one of those figures that Israeli politics have delivered quite often, people who are military heroes, who became, in later life, people of peace, people willing to take very considerable risks for peace: Menachem Begin was one, Yitzhak Rabin was another, lost his life in the cause of peace. Ariel Sharon, pulling back from Gaza, a very controversial thing to do, was actually somebody who had gone through this profound realization that we need to find a new way in the Middle East. We need to make peace with the Palestinians. And he showed immense courage in doing so. And I think people from his kind of background, who make that kind of change, are, to me, real moral heroes, fighters for peace, who were willing to take risks for peace.
[Amanpour:] There are a lot of people who will take a different view of you calling him a moral hero because of what happened in Lebanon, because of what happened at Sabra and Shatila.
[Sacks:] I'm talking about the man I knew in the last years of his conscious and active life. That man was a very different man. And when people are able to make an enormous change, moving from being people who believe in military solutions to people who believe that military solutions may win the battle, but they don't win the peace, for somebody to make that kind of move, hence my kind of admiration.
[Amanpour:] And we talk, you know, amidst a backdrop of yet another attempt to restart the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, about 10 years or more ago you gave an interview in which you said, you know, a lot of what goes on makes you feel uncomfortable as a Jew that some of the some of the realities around occupation may not be compatible with your faith. What do you say now about that? And where do you see this process going or not?
[Sacks:] Look, I think what I feel about is and what most Jews feel about Israel is here is a country that in 65 years, has not known a single day when it has not faced the risk of war or terror. It's surrounded by enemies that are quite hostile to its very existence. And here it is, managing after 65 years to have created really a rebirth of Jewish national existence, created a democratic society with a free press, an independent judiciary, I think Israel, overall, makes me and certainly almost everyone I know feel very proud. And therefore the fact that within Israel and Jewishly, internationally, there is an active debate as to what is the best way forward. I think that's the strength of the Israeli democracy, that we can be self-critical but at the same time love the country, love the people and love what it's achieved.
[Amanpour:] Do you worry the very nature of democracy may be at risk? People are saying, well, you know, if there isn't a peace process, it'll be a one-state solution or it'll be a very segregated solution?
[Sacks:] No, I really don't believe that. I think, you know, we've got just too many tears in our history to make us indifferent to the suffering of all this. And we know perfectly well that this is a chance you know, it's a Millennial opportunity for Jews to create a good, fair and just society and, at the same time, protect itself against a constant risk of terror. And I think Israel does a magnificent job of doing this. And I am very pained when it is criticized around the world because no country in the world faces those risks that severely.
[Amanpour:] Let's move on a little bit to, I guess, anti-Semitism here and around the world. You've talked about, you know, there's more joy now than there used to be, the height of anti-Semitism has sort of ebbed. And yet, in Paris, we see the government sort of cracking down against what it's calling hate speech; a comedian has used a sort of a Nazi-like salute. There are anti-Semitic words being said. And this continues. What do you fear about that? Do you think that there's a resurgent, worrying anti-Semitism? Or do you think that this is something inevitable that's going to continue but is not threatening the Jewish people?
[Sacks:] Christiane, I am very worried about the return of anti- Semitism to Europe. There are serious levels of anti-Semitism in a number of European countries. And for that to happen within living memory of the Holocaust is simply the unthinkable. And I don't believe anyone should take that literally.
[Amanpour:] Let me ask you, we discovered today by going online that in a certain sphere of Amazon the way it measures books and so-called best sellers, "Mein Kampf" is one of the top-selling online books here in England amongst young people.
[Sacks:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] Why?
[Sacks:] If you're asking what is leading to this, I think we always know that anti-Semitism historically occurs in eras of great change, where people are feeling very anxious and very threatened by technological, economic and industrial change. And people turn to somebody to blame. Now historically Jews have always been blamed, even if there were no Jews in the countries, still Jews were blamed. It's a demonic phenomenon, which has been around in Europe for 1,000 years.
[Amanpour:] A few years ago, Prince Harry was seen wearing a Nazi outfit and, you know, it was obviously widely criticized at a fancy dress party, I think, and he was sent to see you. What did you say to him?
[Sacks:] Prince Harry was absolutely beside himself with remorse and regret because he just didn't know. Now obviously that says something about his education and I did go to his school to give the kids a lesson in what actually happened. But the young princes are very special people. The royal family have been magnificent in their relations, not only with the Jewish community, but with all the faith communities in a very multifaith nation. And I don't think anyone does interfaith relations better than the royals.
[Amanpour:] The pope, Pope Francis, has made it very clear that he is a friend of the Jewish people. What do you make of the new pope?
[Sacks:] I think he is, in many respects, somebody who's broken new ground in his openness to Jews. He has often said in his reply to the editor of "La Republica," for instance, things that no previous pope has said. He is not merely reaffirmed as every pope has done since Vatican II, but God's covenant with the Jews is still in force, which was itself a really epoch-making change within the Catholic Church. But he's spoken about the admiration and the debt of gratitude Christians must have the way Jews kept faith with their covenant throughout the throughout the centuries. Now this is a very fine man. And I think I think he is the most important new development in Jewish-Catholic relations we've had.
[Amanpour:] Let me move to Iran; obviously a big bane of criticism and anxiety in Israel and in other parts of the world, under President Ahmadinejad there was a distinctly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel tone coming out of Iran. President Rouhani has made a big effort to be very different. I don't know whether you took notice of what he said, but at the Jewish New Year he wrote a tweet and so did his foreign minister. Rouhani says, "As the sun is about to set here in Tehran, I wish all Jews, especially Iranian Jews, a blessed Rosh Hashanah," and there was a picture of Iranian Jews praying. I guess my question is, are you aware of a different tone coming out of Iran? And what's your reaction to that?
[Sacks:] I wish I was, but the Iranian policy preceded President Ahmadinejad and it's not clear who is in the end the key factor in deciding Iranian policy. And I think to make a distinction between Jews on the one hand and the state of Israel on the other is not the kind of thing that fills me full of relaxation. I think Iran remains a threat. It remains a threat, not just to Israel, but to the West. And I really don't think this should be seen solely as an Israeli problem. It is a matter of grave concern to all of us.
[Amanpour:] Rabbi Sacks, thank you very much indeed. Lord Sacks, thank you for being with us.
[Sacks:] Thank you.
[Amanpour:] And just another note on "Mein Kampf," which is Adolf Hitler's manifesto, of course, and which was first published in the 1930s, now one of the top sellers on a variety of Amazon eBook charts, as we said, it is, of course, banned in Germany and it's rarely purchased in print editions anywhere anymore. But digital sales are soaring. Perhaps if the book cover were visible and there could be an open discussion of its content, its hateful message could be confronted and countered today. And while hate speech remains a threat to civilized society, so do, so too does chronic poverty, especially among children. And we'll meet the flamboyant and courageous champion of London's lost boys and girls when we come back.

[Berman:] All right, welcome back, everyone. The breaking news from the South right now: 143,000 people are without power at this minute. That number is going to grow. It could grow by a lot as this storm continues to move north. It will shut out the lights, the modems, stoves, everything.
[Pereira:] You can bet that that is going to happen. And as it moves north, we are going to see it up here in the northern part of the country. It is about to happen. Here's the question. It is 2014. Haven't power companies figured out how to protect their lines from mother nature? We wanted to discuss this and the idea of preparation ahead of time with retired General Russel Honore. He joins us. Of course, he led the military response to Hurricane Katrina. What a pleasure to have you with us, sir. How are you, sir?
[Russel Honore, Reitred General:] Doing great. It looks like everybody is weathering the storm a little bit better this time. We've survived the first phase of this thing.
[Pereira:] Let's hope so. Let's hope so. So let's talk about this. General, why is it that we can't have the power lines burying the lines? We look at other countries around the world, taking Germany, for example. They have buried power lines. They have inclement weather. They don't have the outages that we have face.
[Honore:] No, I have lived in both Germany and in the Netherlands in Holland. And they average maybe two hours a year of power outage because they put the utilities underground. Eighty percent of our power lines in America are above ground. And I speak a lot with the power companies, talk to preparedness and resiliency. And they discuss these things. It come down to cost. For one mile of power lines in a new subdivision, about $200,000, above grown. If you put it underground, it is double that, nearly $400,000 to put a mile of power underground. So it comes down to cost and dollars and whether they warrant to reinvest in existing neighborhoods. Because they go back into older neighborhood where most of us live, Michaela, it would cost three times the cost of just putting it above ground.
[Berman:] Still, it seems like an investment in our future for our cities and towns across America, especially when we see these trees coming down, we see these power outages. Hurricane Sandy Last year, when it came out here, power was out for a week, 10 days, two weeks with all these trees. And people are just wondering why, why? Won't the power companies pass on the cost to us anyway?
[Honore:] They do and they normally do and get credit for it. But, again, the issue is, how do we build resiliency? If the state laws don't require them to do it, they're not going to do it. You know, it's all about profit and loss statements and balance sheets. But what we have pushed along with the Red Cross and Alliance for Safe Homes and many others is to build resiliency in the community by having critical buildings like schools, drug stores and gas stations with generators. And only Florida has a generator law that requires critical infrastructure to have a generator. So we know you can lose power. You know, we put a man on the moon, but we haven't created a transformer that a squirrel can't trip. It can be set at any time and the power will go out. So how do we build resiliency in the community?
[Pereira:] And that's obviously something we need to do, especially when you look at all the money that is spent on relief after the fact when one of these disasters happen. We want to say a big thank you to retired General Russell Honore joining us today from Baton Rouge. Thank you so much for your time today, sir.
[Berman:] Thanks, General. You know, there was another big story that just jumped off the pages of the newspaper when I woke up this morning. And it's about mammograms in a new giant study that questions whether these mammograms actually save lives. This study says, no, that mammograms do not prevent deaths from breast cancer, and in some cases could actually do more harm than good.
[Pereira:] It is making me a little crazy right now. Researchers tracked 90,000 women over a 25-year period, which makes it one of the largest studies ever done on the procedure of mammography. Our doctor Sanjay Gupta joins us from Atlanta with details on it. Sanjay, I have to ask you and you can understand this. I know that you can hear the frustration. I'm a woman over 40. I had my mammogram, my yearly exam last week. It is making so many women crazy. And they're probably shouting at the TV right now, do we? Don't we? Do we? Don't we? And then a research paper like this comes out and it muddles the issue further. How do we make sense of it?
[Sanjay Gupta, Md, Cnn Medical Correspondent:] It does. It's very confusing. Look, and I think I have been reporting on this almost as long as I have been a medical correspondent. Let me cut to the chase, Michaela, to your question, which is
[Berman:] The part that was really confusing and really glaring, startling in a way to me, Sanjay, was the claim that in some cases, getting a mammogram can do more harm than good. Explain to me the reasoning behind that in the study and what you make of that.
[Gupta:] When we talk about screening tests, John, what we're talking about is obviously trying to find cancers and find them early. Screening tests can have false positives. They can have false negatives. False negatives is you don't find something that's there, and a false positive is you find something that subsequently is not found to be cancer. So it's some sort of anomaly on the mammogram that then warrants a lot of anxiety, first of all, on a woman's behalf, and then possibly a procedure, a biopsy, even an operation all because of what turned out to be a normal variant. And that's where the harm part comes in. And that's a problem with any screening test. No screening test is going to be perfect in terms of that false positive, false negative thing. I should point out with a big study like this, since you asked the question, there are all sorts of different variables. One is that this study was conducted some time ago back in the 1980s. When the study was started, mammography wasn't as good as it is today. Also, on a more positive note, treatments have gotten a lot better. So even cancers that are found later can still have the same as good an outcome as cancers that are found earlier. That may make it sound like mammography is not that useful because finding it early doesn't seem to make as big a difference. That's because the treatments have gotten better.
[Pereira:] It doesn't have to be a death sentence. My concern we'll leave it here, Dr. Gupta. We appreciate it. My concern is that we have gotten so much awareness about breast cancer now. Women are checking themselves; they're getting checked regularly. I worry that this will damage that, and I don't want us to go backwards. Do you know what I mean? We are taking our health into our own hands. This just worries me a little bit.
[Berman:] You know, one important thing in this study, it's not saying, don't be curious. Don't ask questions about breast cancer and the risks if you are a woman in the age group. In fact, it's comparing mammography to self-exams and saying the self-exams can do almost as much as the mammograms. So that's one interesting point here, too.
[Pereira:] Shall we talk Olympics?
[Berman:] Let's talk Olympics.
[Pereira:] We haven't yet. And you know I kind of wanted to.
[Berman:] It's a tough time for the
[U.s.a. Pereira:] But I'm OK. I'm OK.
[Berman:] Canada is doing well.
[Pereira:] Yeah! We want to warn you if you haven't looked at the coverage or you haven't checked your DVR yet, a bit of a spoiler alert. We're gonna rattle off a little bit of medal info right now. Shield your eyes. Shield your ears. Let's take a look at the count.
[Berman:] Yeah, let's look at the medal count right now. And it's ugly for the United States. On top right now, Norway leading with 12 medals, four of them gold. Canada, leads the world in crack-smoking mayors but also number two in the medal count there with 10. Down in third, the Netherlands I guess the Netherlands tied for second also. Then behind that
[Pereira:] The U.S. and host nation of Russia are tied, seven medals a piece. Germany, we should really give a shout-out to Germany. Germany's got the most gold. They've got five gold medals.
[Berman:] Yeah, really one of the biggest stories of this Olympics so far is a little bit of disappointment for the United States. One of the biggest stars, maybe the biggest star, Shaun White, failing to medal in the halfpipe. Just a few minutes ago, speed skater, Shani Davis, shocked the world also, failing to medal in the 1,000 meter speedskating. Bode Miller didn't do well. A little bit of a mess for the United States.
[Pereira:] Level of expectations so very high.
[Berman:] However, there is one category where the United States is leading. It's not the color gold, though.
[Pereira:] Oh yeah. Oh, that.
[Berman:] It is the color pink.
[Pereira:] Yeah, you wanna see a little bit of pink going on. You probably have already seen it. NBC host Bob Costas, bless his heart, has not one but has two pink eyes. He's got a case of pink eye, my friend.
[Berman:] Yeah, Matt Lauer filled in for him. I don't think it's quite that bad. Matt Lauer filled in for him last night. He is doing it again tonight also.
[Pereira:] The internet has been having a little bit of fun. They gave him a Terminator eye.
[Berman:] God bless your soul, Bob Costas, speedy recovery to you, sir.
[Pereira:] Yeah, feel better. All right, we're going to take a short break here. Ahead at this hour, we're going to hit the road or sort of we will. When I say we, it's the royal we. We're gonna hit the road to see how the South is dealing with this major ice storm. We will give you a live view from our live, roving vehicle up next.

[Baldwin:] Ready or not, the Olympic Games are under way, but not without a new terror threat here today. This Turkish industry believes this man wait for it and you will see he's in a hockey jersey is the hijacker here who tried to take over a plane and here it is fly to Sochi, Russia. CNN has not independently confirmed that, in fact, the man here in the hockey jersey is the hijacking suspect, but passengers say this is the man who was yelling that there was a bomb in the cargo hold of this Ukrainian plane, all of this happening, keep in mind, mid-air. The Turkish government scrambling F-16 fighter jets to intercept the plane which landed safely in Istanbul. And the backdrop of all of this news today, the Olympic Games itself. The opening ceremony, I can tell you, going off without a hitch, that is if you don't count the failed lighting of the fifth Olympic ring there, but you know, potatoes, potatoes. One of the acts to perform at the ceremony is t.A.T.u. Just a reminder to folks at home who these young ladies are. That's right, amid all of Russia's anti-gay law controversy, this duo made famous for their perceived homosexuality, all part of an opening act there. Joining me now, Rachel Nichols, host of unguarded. Nice to see you, my friend. Before we get into the ceremony itself, were there rumblings that you heard about the plane among the crowd there.
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Host, "unguarded":] I saw a mention of it on my phone on Twitter. I'm sure many other people around the stadium saw the same thing. There was not any kind of large conversation about it. I have been at sporting events where major news events have happened. You can see the crowd in this age of cell phones, a wave of information passes over them and it becomes a big buzz. That didn't happen here. The focus was on the athletes and the ceremony. People were treated to quite an interesting spectrum of events. Russia celebrated the history, the literature and artistic contributions and even a nod to the Soviet era. People were not sure what to expect. The graceful moments came not in the pageantry and the fireworks, and there were plenty of fireworks, but really in the athletes marching in together. We saw a delegation from Israel march in a few feet ahead of a delegation from Iran, really symbolizing what these Olympics are about in the shadow of so much war and terrorism, as the report you were just referring to. And, also, we saw the spirit of Olympic toughness. An American skier, Heidi Kloser, was practicing yesterday when she tore her ACL, can you imagine, ripping up her knee the day before the games started. She is now out of the Olympics. And in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, her father says that she looked at him and said, Dad, am I still an Olympian? Just heartbreaking. He said, Of course you are, and so did Team USA. You can see in this picture, if you guys put that up, it's her with ice on her knee on the bus on the way to the Olympic stadium. And she did, on crutches, march in with her teammates. It was really a nice moment of and really what the Olympics are all about.
[Baldwin:] We wish her well. I tore my ACL skiing, once upon a time. It is not fun. But from the athletes and the performers, too, what about the crowds, Rachel Nichols? I know with all the fears and security, were the seats filled?
[Nichols:] Not every seat was filled. We did see some empty spots here and there, but it was much more full than we have seen at the venues where there have been big patches of empty seats. So the real test is going to come in the coming days to find out how popular these Olympic, whether tourists come, whether the locals have embraced them. But the opening ceremony is always a hot ticket, a relatively full stadium tonight, not completely full, and they didn't feature the delegations from visiting countries, including the U.S. Brian Boitano, who said just by stepping off the plane with the U.S. delegation as an openly gay athlete, he was making a statement. A new controversy, though, I have to tell you, you discussed the anti- discrimination issues here. New controversy, one of the people who lit the Olympic flame, a former figure skater, has been accused of racism and racism towards President Obama in the past. So we'll have to see if that picks up any legs over the next few days and becomes an issue as well. The IOC did praise diversity as an Olympic ideal in his speech, which was considered a little bit of a shot at what's going on here in Russia. So, it's interesting to see politics come into the opening ceremonies, just a little bit.
[Baldwin:] OK, Rachel Nichols, enjoy your time there. We'll be in close touch, Rachel Nichols, host of "UNGUARDED." Coming up next, two words for you, Justin Bieber, and new photos. Hanging out with pals P. Diddy and Rick Ross and Jermaine Dupri in Atlanta a couple nights ago as prosecutors are trying to figure out whether Justin Bieber should face felony charges. But, first, if you are a bookworm, take a look at this. The folks at Amazon actually compiled a list of a hundred books that say everyone should read them sometime in their lifetime. We'll show you 10 of them "Angela's Ashes," a memoir by Frank McCourt; "All the President's Men," by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein; "Alice in Wonderland," by Lewis Carroll; Alice Munro, "Selected Stories" by Alice Munro I remember this one and "A Wrinkle in Time" by Madeleine L'Engle. I can hear some of you saying if you've read some of these books, we will see how well you do when I show you some the others. That's after this quick break.

[Blitzer:] We're about to show you some disturbing images, tormenting of prisoners, mass executions all captured on video. ISIS terrorists are sowing deep fear right now, stirring up sectarian hatred with these cold-blooded killings. Let's get a closer look. Our senior international correspondent Arwa Damon, she's in northern Iraq, in the city of Erbil. She's joining us live right now. These are horrific video pictures we're seeing. What's the latest?
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] That's right, Wolf. We do have to warn our viewers that they are going to be very difficult to watch. But this is just one example of ISIS's brutality.
[Damon:] Two of the captives have Iraqi border guard patches on their sleeves. The bearded man demands his prisoners repeat "Islamic state here to stay." The first two comply, fear on their faces. The third struggles to formulate the words. Moments later, this. He appears to be dehydrated, barely reacting to what's happening. In the next video, he is dead, his jaw blown off. At the end of the clip, the ISIS gunman proudly declares, "We killed a Shia." This Facebook page's profile picture matches the man in the video. He goes by the name Abu Hamza al-Mohammed from Tunisia. We accessed the Facebook account before it was taken down, posted on it these stills of the same execution. There's another photograph that shows the other four men dead. They're accused of being Maliki's dogs, a reference to Iraq's Shia prime minister. Abu Hamza boasts about how he blew the infidel's heads to hell. Location, Iraq. In another post, Amu Hamza says, "Send these videos to the Shia," an effort to foment sectarian rage in what has become a ruthless battlefield. Many of the images posted online are too horrific to show. Stills posted on an ISIS Twitter account show a shallow ditch filled with bodies, all accused of being members of the Iraqi security forces. Often we don't know who the victims are. But in this case, we managed to identify the man who could not speak. He name is Jafa Zinseki, 36 years old. A father of two boys and a girl, who adored his children and took the job as a border guard to build them a home. Wolf, what makes this all the more unbearable and difficult for the families that they're unable to retrieve his body, because ISIS controls the area where it is believed to be at this point, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] What a horrific, horrific situation. Arwa Damon in Erbil. Arwa, thanks very much. Full analysis of what we just saw coming up, but there's some breaking news I want to get to right now. A tornado is on the ground in Nebraska. Our meteorologist and severe weather expert Chad Myers is standing by. We've got live pictures. Look at those funnel clouds, Chad. What is going on?
[Chad Myers, Cnn Meteorologist:] Unbelievable tornado on the ground just through the Pilger, Nebraska, P-I-L-G-E-R, Pilger. We looked at it earlier as it grew very, very close to Stanton, Nebraska. This is what we call a stove pipe, straight up and down tornado. You're noticing another one in the background. Two tornadoes on the ground. These are live pictures. This is U.S. 275 in northeastern Nebraska. To the east of Norfork, Nebraska, about to cross that road. That car just drove right down that road right toward that tornado. And so did that one. And you can see it right in front of you. You have to know what that is. So this is the problem when you're storm chasing or if you don't know what you're talking about, don't know what you're doing, they're looking at this tornado right now and these cars are passing him. You need to be stopped. You need to be away from this tornado. A dangerous situation in Pilger, Nebraska.
[Blitzer:] Near Stanton, we're told. It looks like there's two funnel clouds on the ground over there. There's one right in the middle of the screen to the right. There seems to be another one. Is that normal?
[Myers:] That is absolutely not normal. There was a tornado on the ground. You talked about it near Stanton. That tornado went away. These chasers were to the east of that tornado, thinking they were in very good shape. Then all of a sudden, we saw the new tornado signature on the radar. The storm regenerated a tornado about four miles east of that first one. Separated from the first one and moved there. This one you're looking at right now is a very large maxi tornado. We're looking at EF-3, EF-4 damage that moved through that town. We saw debris in the sky from that town. It is now north of U.S. 275. And the one that you're looking at, you just can't see it to the right if they pan to the right a little bit, that one would be moving toward Wisner, Nebraska. Wisner, Nebraska, right along Highway 275. You need to be taking cover now. This is open country, but these are major tornadoes on the ground. Wind speeds in excess right now, Wolf. I'm going to go 175 to 200 miles per hour. Paralleling themselves.
[Blitzer:] Hold on.
[Myers:] And in northeastern Nebraska.
[Blitzer:] Ben McMillan is on the phone. He's driving this vehicle that we're seeing right now. Ben, tell us what's going on from your vantage point.
[Ben Mcmillan, Storm Chaser:] Hi, Wolf. We're just northwest of Wisner, Nebraska, on State Road 275. We're behind these tornadoes. We're in a safe position. They're moving away from us. But this is a very deadly situation if you're near these. We've seen 10 to 20 buildings get completely destroyed at this point. We also have two tornadoes on the ground. Wolf, I don't know if you can see both of these tornadoes on the east side of the screen.
[Blitzer:] We see we see these two tornadoes pretty close to each other. How close are they? They're on each side of the screen right now. We're showing our viewers your live pictures.
[Mcmillan:] They're probably about two to three miles apart. And again, they're kind of rotating around each other. Again, we are west of the storm. So please, if you think this is a safe job, it's really not. You've got to be, you know, at a safe place out ahead these things. We're behind them. So we're all right. But take this very seriously. These are the kind of storms you need to be underground to survive like hit Oklahoma last May.
[Blitzer:] It looks like people are driving toward those two tornadoes right now. But you're saying they're moving much more quickly in the other direction?
[Mcmillan:] Yes, I'm very worried. People aren't aware of what these are. Not a lot of folks have as much experience as our team does recognizing and interpreting severe weather threats. And I just don't know if these folks are trying to get out of the way or rush home and check on loved ones or what they're leaving at this point.
[Blitzer:] How close are you from because we're looking at live pictures. How close are you to these tornadoes?
[Mcmillan:] We're probably about two to three miles at this point. We're now south of the main one in the middle of the screen on state road 275. Northwest of Wisner, very small town here. But folks south of Lane, Nebraska, and west of the town of the other one starts with a "P," west of Pender, Nebraska. That's the main area of threat at this point. These are violent tornadoes continuing to turn east across the countryside.
[Blitzer:] Hey, Ben, I want Chad Myers to talk to you for a moment. Go ahead.
[Myers:] Ben, I just you to remember now, you see all those power lines to the left. There will be a point on 275 that you're going to run into those power lines over the roadway. Keep that in mind. A lot of those power lines could still be alive as you drive over them. I know that's your job.
[Mcmillan:] Thank you very much.
[Myers:] But that both of those tornadoes went right over that highway. I know you saw them.
[Mcmillan:] Yes.
[Myers:] Wolf.
[Blitzer:] I was I wanted to ask you, Chad, and maybe Ben can weigh in. The there's an official the official situation is being described as a particularly dangerous situation alert. Particularly dangerous situation alert. Chad, what does that mean?
[Myers:] There will be on the ground large max I tornadoes like the one you're seeing right there on Ben's screen. That is a big tornado, wide on the ground. Ben, what do you think? A half mile, mile wide at the base?
[Mcmillan:] Yes, we had about a half mile wide tornado. Then we had these horizontal vertices which you only see in the most violent of tornadoes. I don't know if you remember this video coming in from Tuscaloosa. It had a lot of these horizontal vertices, which indicates how strong these really are. We're seeing lots of tree and structural damage. And again, very concerned about the residents in eastern Nebraska at this time.
[Myers:] Have you come upon any damage yet? You're getting very close to where that tornado went over.
[Mcmillan:] We haven't seen any large cities or residential structures. Actually, we're just seeing the first out here off to the right. Can you see below the tornado, Wolf? Those structures in the shot?
[Blitzer:] Yes. We see them.
[Mcmillan:] Yes, that's the damage that literally just occurred seconds ago here. The grain bins had their roofs ripped off. Those are normally round as you can see in the left side of the shot. The tops completely removed, and I'm getting worried folks watching about injuries and possible fatalities now. This is not a light situation. You need to take it very seriously. And we're very, very worried for folks at this point.
[Blitzer:] This is pretty rural, this area. It's not very urban, right?
[Mcmillan:] It is it's pretty rural. There's still a lot of farmsteads here in eastern Nebraska. It's a large industry. There are still lots of folks with their livelihood out here. We don't want to underplay the threat.
[Blitzer:] Chad, that tornado looks huge. I'm not an expert by any means. But it looks so devastating. Give us an explanation of how big this is.
[Myers:] You know, Ben just said, it's probably a good three- quarters of a mile wide on the ground. I'm looking at it now. And Ben, you're on a highway that's going north and south. There's a little spin right to the north of you a half a mile. I want you to keep looking forward as you're driving. I know you are, but that second tornado that did spin back up into the clouds could come back down at any time. Wolf, the storm that you're seeing on the screen is now becoming the main tornado. It is still many miles from Penger. It is still many miles from Thurston. A lot of wide open countryside here. But this is going to be the big dawn tonight, EF-4, possible EF-5 damage. We have debris signatures in the air, which means the radar itself is picking up debris in the air. Go ahead, Ben.
[Mcmillan:] And left side we have a large tornado, a huge tornado that has formed left side of the screen. Again multiple tornadoes on the ground here.
[Blitzer:] How many are you talking about, Ben?
[Mcmillan:] Two possibly three. I've never seen anything like this Wolf. I've been storm chasing for probably 10 to 12 years professionally. This is just very, very dangerous.
[Blitzer:] What's your contingency plan, Ben, if these tornadoes move towards you?
[Mcmillan:] Again, we're south of the circulation. So we're, you know, in a safe position. But I just I guess I could turn around if I had to. Again, we're just trying to get this information to you so you can get it out to the folks in this area and protect their lives and property.
[Blitzer:] If anybody's watching in this area, Chad, what do they need to do right now? Remind them.
[Myers:] Absolutely get underground if you can. This is a tornado with winds of 200 to 225 miles per hour right now. And you need to be underground or inside your home with as many walls between you and the outside as possible. And what I don't want you to do, Ben, is get on any dirt roads now. This storm had a lot of rainfall before it started, before the tornadoes came down. All of those dirt roads in the Nebraska, even some of the they call them all-weather roads are wet and swampy and you cannot drive on them. You don't want to get stuck on a dirt road. Look at that, Wolf. Two tornadoes on the ground right now. Spinning there in northeastern Nebraska just north now of what would be Wisner, Nebraska, west of Pender, Nebraska. Still a lot more land here. Wide open country. But that doesn't make it any less dangerous if you're in the way.
[Blitzer:] So what happens, Ben, your experience, how long do these tornadoes stay where they are and move on? I think we just lost Ben.
[Unidentified Male:] Get inside, please. Get inside, please.
[Blitzer:] Yes. Looks like we lost Ben. It looks like there's SOME cars stopped over there, Chad. People are getting out of those vehicles. I don't know how smart that is.
[Myers:] Well, you know what, a pickup truck and a NOAA weather radio doesn't make you a storm chaser. Ben knows what he's doing. He knew where those tornadoes were. He has a radar in his car. He could see it, and he could see where the great rotation was. s I was watching Ben chase the first tornado going east on that 275 highway, the second tornado and then the third developed to his right. And I was very concerned that he didn't notice it. But then his spotters in the car told him, "We have to stop. We can't go any farther. There's another tornado on the way right in our path." And he did stop. This is unbelievable video, Wolf. I have never seen two these are now EF-3, EF-4 tornadoes...
[Blitzer:] All right...
[Myers:] on the ground at the same time.
[Blitzer:] Chad, stand by. We're going to reconnect with Ben. We'll take a quick break. You're right, unbelievable images of these tornadoes. Our coverage will continue in a moment.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. The National Lead, the growing measles outbreak has now hit a California daycare center forcing more than a dozen infants into quarantine. A baby who attends that day care who was too young to get vaccinated contracted the disease. And now the child care center has shut down all infant classes indefinitely over fears that other babies were exposed to the potentially fatal disease. This is in Santa Monica School District where 11 percent of students have not been immunized contrary to medical advice because their parents opted out. We are seeing more and more likely 2016 presidential hopefuls come forward with their thoughts on whether parents should be forced to get their kids vaccinated. Hillary Clinton tweeted, "The science is clear. The earth is round, the sky is blue, and vaccines work. Let's protect all our kids. #Grandmothersknowbest. And it turns out Clinton stamp seems to be in step with a well-known conservative who just might be running against here in the race for the White House. Let's bring in Dr. Ben Carson. He's the former director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He's also author of a new book "You Have A Brain, A Teens to Think Big." Dr. Carson, as always, thank you so much for joining us. I want to get to the book, which I enjoyed a lot in a second, but I do want to make sure I understand your position on vaccinations for children. You told Buzzfeed yesterday, quote, "We should not allow those diseases to return by foregoing safe immunization programs, for philosophical, religious or other reasons when we have the means to eradicate them." So just to clarify no exemptions unless there is a health reason, how would you enforce that?
[Dr. Ben Carson, Former Director Of Pediatric Neurosurgery, Johns Hopkins Hospital:] We already have policies in place at schools that require immunization records and things of that nature. What we have to recognize is that a lot of people are put off when they hear the word government force. And you know, perhaps there's a better way to put these things but the fact of the matter is, studies have shown us over the course of time that the benefit, the risk ratio for vaccination is way in the favor of doing it as opposed to not doing it.
[Tapper:] No, I'm the child of a pediatrician and a pediatric nurse, I'm with you, but it does seem like your statements are kind of contrary to what we are hearing from a lot of your fellow potential Republican hopefuls. Republican Senator Rand Paul said yesterday that many vaccines should be voluntary and he said he has heard of many cases of people getting, quote, "mental disorders" after being immunized. You're a doctor. Is there evidence to back up the senator's claims?
[Carson:] Well, I listened to what he said and I think perhaps it's not exactly being portrayed the way he meant it. You know, if you were to talk to him, I'm sure he would tell you that vaccines are very, very important and have made a tremendous difference in our society. It's a public health issue and I'm sure he would be very supportive of him. He's simply saying we don't want to be forced. We want to have some choice. And I think there are ways to do this in a reasonable and rational way that involved educating the populous. There were a lot of myths going around about vaccinations causing autism and other types of things. These have been dispelled. We know better now. So you know, a lot of people haven't gotten that information. We need to make sure we make that available to everyone.
[Tapper:] But Dr. Carson, isn't exactly what we're seeing in California right now, this measles outbreak, isn't this because the people in California have been given the option of opting out and they have a whole bunch of misinformation. And now we have an infant who has the measles disease? Isn't this a perfect example of what happens when you don't mandate it?
[Carson:] Well, it is a good example of what happens. These are things that we had under control. We have to account for the fact that we now have people coming into the country sometimes undocumented people who perhaps have diseases that we had under control. So now we need to be doubly vigilant about making sure that we immunize our people to keep them from getting diseases that once were under control.
[Tapper:] All right, I want to turn to your book. Really interesting and a lot of information even though I thought I knew a lot about you, there is some information I didn't and that the viewers might not know. You write about a very interesting moment when your mother sat you and your brother down and told you that your father had been kicked out of the house. You found out later that he had been leading a double life. He had a whole other family. What effect do you think that experience had on you and what lesson are you trying to give to teens with this story?
[Carson:] Well, it was devastating. I had had a very different impression of who my father was and my mother finally sat us down and told us what the real story was. It gave me a much better appreciate because she never went around bad mouthing him and trying to force him to do things. He didn't want to pay child support. She said the heck with him. I'll just go and work two or three jobs. I will make it on my own somehow. So it gave us a lot more perspective on not allowing yourself to be a victim of circumstances.
[Tapper:] You also write about the importance of honesty in your book, you have a chapter called "Honesty" and one of the lessons you were able to demonstrate it in a dramatic fashion came when a Florida woman falsely, falsely accused you of fathering her child even going so far as to file a claim against you in court, how did honesty help you out of that situation?
[Carson:] Well, it helped me in the sense that a lot of people assume that someone who has a high profile like me, who is out and about all over the place constantly probably has been messing around. Probably doesn't even remember all the people they have been messing around with and therefore they will probably go ahead and shell out the money rather than have their reputation sullied. It helped me in the sense that I knew that here was only one woman I had ever slept with in my whole life and that is my wife. I didn't have to scratch my head and say, gosh, was there a time when I was on CNN, and I don't know. I didn't have to do that at all.
[Tapper:] Dr. Ben Carson, thank you so much. The book is very enjoyable. It's called "You Have A Brain A Teen's Guide To Think Big," thank you so much. Hope to see you again soon.
[Carson:] Always a pleasure.
[Tapper:] Coming up, it has been 55 years since her one and only book to kill a mocking bird was published and now Harper Lee is finally ready to release her second novel. Why now? That's next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Time now for our national lead. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein has spent much of the past year defending the intelligence community over Edward Snowden's leaks and more. But she's now in a standoff with the CIA, accusing them of searching computers and removing documents that her committee was using to investigate the agency's now defunct interrogation program. She says the agency may have violated the Constitution and may have broken federal law.
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein , Intelligence Committee Chairwoman:] I have grave concerns that the CIA's search may well have violated the separation of powers, principles embodied in the United States Constitution, including the speech and debate clause.
[Tapper:] It was great timing for Senator Feinstein because CIA Director John Brennan was taking questions today at the Council of Foreign Relations and he was asked to respond to her accusations.
[John Brennan, Cia Director:] As far as the allegations of, you know, CIA hacking into Senate computers, nothing could be further than the truth. When the facts come out on this, I think a lot of people who are claiming that there has been this tremendous sort of spying and monitoring and hacking will be proved wrong.
[Tapper:] Joining me now is Democratic Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, who serves on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Senator, thanks so much for joining us. So, Senator Feinstein, as the chair of the committee, has taken the helm on this issue. You, obviously, have been heavily involved as well. Here's you questioning CIA director Brennan on January 29th, what the time seemed to be a rather cryptic issue.
[Sen. Ron Wyden , Oregon:] Does the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act apply to the CIA? It seems to me that's a yes or no question.
[Brennan:] I would have to look into what that actually calls for and it's applicability to CIA's authorities.
[Tapper:] It seems clear that you were referring to this. Brennan responded to you by letter saying the act does not, quote, "prohibit any lawfully authorized investigative, protective or intelligence activity of an intelligence agency. Feinstein made it clear she thinks the CIA may have violated the Constitution. What do you think?
[Wyden:] Well, Mr. Brennan also did say, Jake, that in fact the computer fraud law does apply to them and the reality is those computers, in effect, belong to the CIA but they were reserved exclusively for the committee's use. And what this goes to, the fundamental question here is whether the Congress of the United States is going to be able to do effective oversight over the intelligence apparatus. And again and again, it is not just this instance, but again and again, the intelligence leadership has in effect thwarted the ability of Congress to get the information it needs to do that oversight.
[Tapper:] Do you think that by searching in these computers and doing what the CIA admits it did back when Brennan met with Feinstein and Saxby Chambliss, her Republican counterpart, do you think that was a violation of the Constitution of the Fourth Amendment or any other federal law?
[Wyden:] I think that the facts that were laid out by the committee chair, Senator Feinstein, today are very credible and, yes, the reason I asked that question that you put on tape, Jake, is that I think it raises very troubling questions. And I also, before we go any further, want to make clear what I think is the bottom line. I'm becoming convinced that the CIA is simply fearful of the interrogation report being made public and I think it's time for the American people to get that information, they ought to get it consistent with making sure that a national security information is not contained, that the American people have a right to know.
[Tapper:] Brennan, when he was asked about this today, he denied hacking into Senate computers. That's not really what he's accused of doing, though, is it?
[Wyden:] I think that Senator Feinstein laid those facts out in a very straightforward manner. What I'm concerned about again is whether or not the agency is going to understand what the president of the United States said and that is vigorous oversight is necessary and in fact the Constitution speaks to it. We've got to be able to do that and that's the bottom line.
[Tapper:] Edward Snowden issued a statement. He pointed out what he considers to be hypocrisy by Senator Feinstein, calling this a constitutional issue. He says so are the NSA policies he's made public, he argues that Feinstein believes it's only a scandal when it happens to a politician. I know that you have been out there on the forefront trying to bring attention to this NSA surveillance programs. What do you say to Edward Snowden?
[Wyden:] My view is that this is a part of a pattern by the intelligence leadership. We saw, for example, the head of the NSA, Keith Alexander, say we don't hold data on U.S. citizens. I consider that to be one of the most false statements that's been made about surveillance. So, we have false statements. We have misleading actions. And today, it looks like to me, once again, that we're going to face the question, will the committee be able to do its job, which is vigorous oversight.
[Tapper:] What do you think needs to happen, Senator? Does John Brennan need to lose his job over this?
[Wyden:] What happens, what now in terms of the priorities for me is that the agency has to answer the questions that it was sent by the committee. That's the first thing that we need to have to get straight answers and it seems to me that the CIA ought to set the record straight about what it did and I will tell you, I find it very troubling when they in effect make referrals to prosecutors when committee investigators are trying to do their job.
[Tapper:] Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee thank you so much.
[Wyden:] Thank you.

[Whitfield:] President Obama is offering some words of encouragement for the Malaysian government and during the third leg of his Asian trip, Mr. Obama said Malaysia has worked tirelessly to find missing airliner, Flight 370, and has been forthcoming with the U.S. about information. Meanwhile bad weather suspended the latest air and sea search today. I'm joined now by CNN's safety analyst, David Soucie and aviation analyst, Mary Schiavo, former inspector general with the U.S. Transportation Department. Good to see both of you. All right, so the president's remarks, pretty interesting. Might come as a surprise to some, especially the family members who say we're not getting enough information, but the president says that Malaysia has been forthcoming with information to U.S. authorities. So what do you make of these comments, Mary? What does he mean by that really? How detailed could this information be?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, some of it is very detailed because remember, the Malaysians gave to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, the pilot and co-pilot's home computers, the pilot's flight computer and the home simulator that he had made and I without a doubt they are probably calling on the United States FBI to help them with the cell phone issue and cell phone tower issue as well. So the FBI played a major role in some of what would have been, I supposed, attributed to the criminal investigation by Malaysia and then supplying the Bluefin-21 and other assets, the Navy supply ship, there had to be a fair amount of communications to get those assets from the U.S. and so I think that the compliment and the exchange was genuine.
[Whitfield:] OK, and David, you know, speaking of the Bluefin, its mission is nearly complete in terms of that particular search area before authorities say it's going to move a little further north. How encouraging is that to you, that I guess reassessing the space that it needs to scan, extending it a little further north. Do you feel like that gives it a better chance of finding something?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Well, not necessarily the Bluefin. But I think as they move further north, they are going to have to bring in some additional tools, some additional expertise and some fresh eyes. But could I mention back to the president real quickly
[Whitfield:] Sure.
[Soucie:] I support what Mary was saying exactly, but one thing I am surprised is that he didn't push the GOP to start pushing through a confirmation of the ambassador to the U.N. for ICAO. Remember we have no representation on ICAO whatsoever right now and this is the person that should be coordinating especially in the preliminary report and that sort of information as it passes back and forth. So I feel like we're kind of jumping a link here by having them coordinate directly to our military and it misses a level of coordination, particularly as we move forward with coming up with laws and regulations. The cards are being dealt and we don't have a seat at the table.
[Whitfield:] And that's the political, you know, persuasion here. I'm wondering about the investigation of, you know, the air and sea search. Mary, what other technology might be able to be introduced here. We have heard about the Remus 6000 that can go 6,000 meters. But we are not hearing that they've actually been moved to this area. So what could compliment the Bluefin or even perhaps replace it?
[Schiavo:] Well, there are many different kinds of underwater autonomous vehicles. The Remus is one. There were others that have been used in the past. Some are manned, some are unmanned. Each one is going to require a ship to accompany it. You're going to have a lot of on-water assets and ship assets. But also I think the intelligence function of the United States could be very useful because after all the prime minister in his interview with Richard Quest mentioned that they still consider it both criminal and civil. We could help them on that front as well with those assets and I still think that one of the most important things to do is to examine what the realities are of the performance of that pinger and the search under water. And they could use this opportunity to really experiment, see how far that pinger can be detected and see what happens over time.
[Whitfield:] All right, Mary, David, thank you so much. We'll talk again. More on this and what else to look forward to this week in the ongoing search for Malaysia Flight 370. Thank you. All right, racist remarks allegedly from an NBA team owner sending shock waves through the sports world. One player who was specifically mentioned in those comments is now speaking out. We have the reaction from Magic Johnson, next.
[Unidentified Male:] Mea Sharapova may have endorsement deals with Nike, Samsung and Posh among others, but in 2012, the 26- year-old launched a candy business called "Sugar Pova," the curious choice for a world class athlete.
[Maria Sharapova, Highest Paid Tennis Athlete:] I'm an athlete and being healthy is a part of my life. Living a healthy lifestyle, understanding what foods are important to eat and what is good for my body. But at the end of the day, whether you're an athlete or working in an office, everyone loves a treat and everyone loves candy and when I was young and finish a practice, what would I ask for, I would ask for a lollipop.
[Unidentified Male:] Sharapova was even said to have considered a little name change ahead of last year's U.S. Open, but her agent said the legal hassle of becoming Maria "Sugar Pova" for two weeks just wasn't worth it. But the global media coverage of the story shows that she's not just good at tennis and candy, but a pretty shrewd marketer, too.

[Baldwin:] Count down with me, Winter Olympics start in all of 25 days, and you know what the medal podium looks like, it has a place for the top three finishers and that's the trials work, the top three get usually get to go. So why does U.S. figure skater, Maria Neggassu looked like this. Neggassu finished third in the trials Saturday, but she is not headed to Sochi, and the reason has stirred up some Olympic sized controversy today in the skating world. Here to set this up. This is Andy Scholes.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] After falling twice in the U.S. figure skating championships in Boston on Saturday, Ashley Wagner thought her chances of making the Sochi games were over. She tweeted after her performance, I am so sorry I let you all down. The top three finishers from the competition barring injury have always gone on to the Olympics but not this time. In a controversial move, the U.S. Skating Association passed over third place finisher Mariah Negassu and put Wagner on the Olympic team even though she finished a distant fourth in the competition. Patricia St. Peter, the president of the U.S. figure skating defended the decision saying if you look at Ashley Wagner's record in performance, she's got the top credentials of any of our female athletes. Neggassu was overcome with emotion after her performance on Saturday. She didn't fall or make any errors, but she was clearly disappointed when she learned she was passed over for the team.
[Scholes:] In a statement, she said I'm disappointed with the decision, although I don't agree with it, I have to respect the decision the federations have made. And I'm grateful to everyone who has supported me and look forward to what comes next in my skating career.
[Baldwin:] That was Andy Scholes. My next guest knows all about the pressures of making and doing pretty well when it comes to the Olympics here. Tara Lipinski won gold, she beat Michelle Kwan in 1998 at the Olympics at Nagano, Japan and she joins me now by phone. Tara, thanks for calling in. We appreciate it.
[Tara Lipinski, Olympic Gold Medalist, Figure Skater:] Of course.
[Baldwin:] So you were there this weekend. You were in Boston Saturday, and I want to get to the standing ovation and everything and how it felt being there in a minute, but first, just explain all to us non-skaters, how is this fair?
[Lipinski:] OK, well, first off, it was heart breaking to watch for both girls. Obviously watching Ashley fall apart on the ice, ruining her Olympic chances again after four years ago not making the team. And then Jean Marai, you know, skates the exhibition yesterday crying full tears because she knows she's not going. But the problem is, and it probably doesn't make sense to anyone just watching, but no one expected Marai to be in third place at this national. She's had a really rough year, actually the last four seasons. She's just struggled since the Vancouver Olympics. And in that time, Ashley Wagner has really made her mark, set her standard on the international stage, has two national titles under her belt and just fell under the pressure of this one competition. And with our federation, we do have certain criteria that you look at other than just making the top three at nationals.
[Baldwin:] OKK, so that's the context.
[Lipinski:] It's heart breaking either way.
[Baldwin:] It's like today you see all these pictures of Marai with the tears and you see Ashley falling. Have you been in touch with either of these women?
[Lipinski:] I have seen Ashley and I know this is really a hard for her as a skater, you want to skate your best, personally, for your family and your fans. She has taken Marai's so-called spot and she's going to want to live up to what she can do. I saw her in exhibition and she skated flawlessly. I think she's going to do well.
[Baldwin:] Walk me through what that pressure feels like. You know, you know what it's like to win, all eyes are on you, period, Tara, but now everyone knows her name and everyone's going to be watching for her.
[Lipinski:] Exactly and it's too much pressure. And you really don't know how to prepare for it.
[Baldwin:] How do you?
[Lipinski:] You don't. I think what it is, is training every single day, trying to prepare for any certain instance that might happen, or might surprise you and trying to stay calm. But as you can see nationals during an Olympic year is very stressful. She was trying to defend her title, but to be honest, when she stepped on the ice, I don't think she was thinking about winning. I think all she cared about was getting into those top three spots so that one had turn into what it had.
[Baldwin:] Tara Lipinski, while I have you, what are you up to right now just quickly?
[Lipinski:] I work with NBC now so I'll be going so Sochi with them as an analyst.
[Baldwin:] Have fun, enjoy it. Thank you so much, Tara Lipinski calling in here and talking about all that happened in Boston over the weekend. Coming up, the decision just in on the so-called cursing toddler. You've seen this video. We now can tell you today judges rule that this little one and his teenaged mother can live together in a foster home. We'll talk about the legality of all of this and of course, how this impacts just think of the mother, she's 16 and now she's going to live at a foster home, and how does that work for her psychologically speaking. Plus protest in Texas over a pregnant woman being kept on life support even though her husband says she did not want to be kept alive. The state disagrees. We'll take you live to Dallas next.

[Blackwell:] It's 13 minutes after the hour now. Reality star and Olympian Bruce Jenner, was involved in a fatal car crash yesterday afternoon in Malibu. Now, authorities say there's no evidence he was being chased by photographers so no paparazzi in this equation. Jenner's publicist tells CNN that he was not injured in the crash, but one person died. Five children and two adults were sent to hospitals with injuries, and the Los Angeles County sheriff's department is now opening a vehicular manslaughter investigation.
[Sgt. Philip Brooks, Los Angeles California Sheriff's Department:] It appears Bruce Jenner was involved in a rear-end of a vehicle. However, he was the third car in a multiple rear-end collision, which was an escalade with a trailer behind it towing a sand rail. Bruce Jenner's car, when it struck the Lexus, the Lexus went into oncoming traffic which struck the southbound H2 Hammer, and the driver of the white Lexus was pronounced dead at the scene.
[Blackwell:] All right, this incident was quickly captured on camera by Paparazzi. They weren't involved in the accident, but they got there soon after. Let's bring in HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson. He joins us by phone from New York. Joey, so the L.A. County Sheriff's Department is now opening this vehicular manslaughter investigation. What does that involve?
[Joey Jackson, Hln Legal Analsyt:] Good morning, Victor. What will happen is the investigators want to identify exactly what happened in the accident and how it happened in the accident. When you have multiple parties, what you want to do is you want to assess the conduct of each party. So it's not only limited, Victor, to Bruce Jenner, it's, of course, limited to any each and every car that was involved there. I think it really will be twofold. It will be one, looking at and identifying any eyewitness and, of course, speaking to them to see what they can contribute as far as exactly what happened. And there will be reports taken from those people who are actually there who observed who were involved. Then the second part to that, Victor, is also a fair amount of science. There's something called accident reconstruction. And it really involves physics. When you look at the crush impact and the damage of the vehicles, you can really determine positioning of the vehicle. You can determine speeds of the vehicle, your skid marks on the street, and it's really pretty fascinating. I've had a few cases involving accident reconstruction. And you can really piece together and figure out what went on, who caused it, and how it happened. That's what the investigation will entail.
[Blackwell:] There are several vehicles involved. Let's kind of walk through what happened here. So Jenner's driving that black Escalade you saw. He hits the Lexus from behind. The Lexus then spins into oncoming traffic, and then that lexus is hit by a Hummer H2. The driver of the Lexus dies. So based on that chronology there, is Jenner responsible in any way?
[Jackson:] Well, what will happen, Victor, is that's what the investigation will seek to identify because, I mean, we can all understand that every day, unfortunately, most unfortunately, people die in accidents. Driving a car can be very dangerous. And so that in and of itself is not criminal if someone dies. What they're going to do is they're going to look and assess the conduct of each party. Now, when you look at criminal and vehicular manslaughter, you're not looking necessarily at intent. No one's intending to harm anyone when you're driving, but you're looking at something very basic, and it's called negligence. When you look at negligence, were you careless in any way? Were any of the drivers careless in any way? What does that mean? Did they not exercise a reasonable amount of care as any driver would? And so in California under the vehicular manslaughter laws, if you are negligent, that is careless and acting not reasonably or irresponsibly, you could be criminally charged. And of course, the degree to the charge would depend upon the part of negligence, if any. Were you negligent? Were you grossly negligent? Which is the higher standard? And then it sort of goes from there, they'll look at each party's conduct in that accident. Look at the degree of negligence, if any. And then they'll try to determine who was responsible and whether criminal charges should be filed or whether it was simply a normal accident that occurred, unfortunately, with people driving.
[Blackwell:] All right, a lot to learn still in this case. HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson, thank you so much.
[Jackson:] Have a great day, victor, my pleasure. Bye-bye.
[Blackwell:] Christi.
[Paul:] All righty, well, it is February. More snow is on the way, but the travel headaches that could be ahead here. Millions of people are in this latest storm's path. We're going to take you there live.

[Blitzer:] We're following an important developing story up on Capitol Hill. After months and months of delay, the Senate finally may be close to an agreement that would allow a vote on confirming Loretta Lynch as the nation's first African-American female attorney general. Let's get to our chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash. What's the latest, Dana?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Well, the latest is first of all to keep in mind what has been holding up Loretta Lynch. It's not because she lacks the votes. By our count, she has the 51 votes needed to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate. But still, she has been delayed as the White House repeats over and over again, longer than any attorney general nominee since the Reagan years, about three decades ago, and even twice as long as any other nominee I think since the past seven between her committee approval, which was done, and the Senate floor vote. So the question is, so what's the hold up? It's actually on something completely unrelated. A human trafficking bill, which also has very broad bipartisan support, that has been mired in differences over abortion language, restrictions on abortion and federal money being used for that. So that is why the whole reason why Loretta Lynch has been held up. The majority leader won't let her nomination go before human trafficking is agreed to. Today we're told by Democratic and Republican sources they're closing in on a deal to get human trafficking done. So once that gets done, then you could actually see a vote on the attorney general nominee Loretta Lynch, which again has been held up for a very long time Wolf?
[Blitzer:] All right. Let's see what happens. Thanks very much, Dana, for that. We leave you with this note. Israelis pause today as sirens pierced the air this morning marking Holocaust Remembrance Day. Drivers stopped, stepped out of their cars. They and others bowed their heads as the nation came to a two-minute standstill to remember the six billion Jews killed during the Holocaust and the end of World War II. That's it for me. Thanks for watching. The news continues next on
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[Paul:] It is tough, isn't it, to get just the brutality of ISIS from everything that we've heard.
[Savidge:] It really is.
[Paul:] The terror group's reckless, its senseless murder of innocent civilians and soldiers and most recently two American journalists sparked this outrage, and really disgust around the world I think would be a good way to characterize it.
[Savidge:] It would indeed. One man who knows what it's like to come face to face with ISIS is this Iraqi soldier. Ali Kadhim, the 23- year-old says that he survived a brutal ISIS massacre in June.
[Paul:] Kadhim story matches ISIS claims that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers were executed in one day. And this is video from that massacre.
[Savidge:] And Kadhim shared his story of survival with "The New York Times." We're going to show you part of his interview. Kadhim speaks in Arabic. The translation from "The New York times" will be seen at the bottom of your screen.
[Paul:] Let's bring in Mona El Naggar. She is in New York, and a video producer for "The New York Times," and helped produce the story of Kadhim's escape. Before we move forward here, I do just want to let our viewers know, the content of the segment is not appropriate for children. I don't want you to be I don't want you to get caught off guard. But we just want to let you know, you do not want them in the room for this. So, Mona, with that disclaimer, I just wanted to get to you. How is it that "The New York Times" was able to secure this interview with him? Because I would think he would have some trepidations about wanting to speak.
[Mona El Naggar, Video Producer, "the New York Times.":] Yes, but if you watch the video, you see that Ali sort of at some point as he was escaping, really, for his life and trying to survive, he meets this man and he's on the river bank for three days. The man is practically dead. And at some point, Ali decides to try and cross the river and, you know, survive. And the man tells him to go on, not to forget him, and to tell the story. And so, you know, I mean I'm sure that a part of him is feels the responsibility and need to let people know.
[Savidge:] Yeah. It is truly a very moving interview, when you watch this. And we want to warn people again. We're going to play a little bit more of it because we do think it's vitally important that you hear this firsthand account. But again, we want to warn our viewers that some of the content that you're about to see is very graphic and certainly not appropriate for children. And some of it is extremely hard to watch. But we are going to let you listen again, and I'll also say we won't show it again after this and Mona, we'll talk more on the other side of this. I watched all of this. And, you know, at that part, he's describing, of course, the shooting of the man beside him, on both sides. And he falls down. And Mona, is it that he played dead? Is that how he was able to get away, survive?
[El Naggar:] Basically. I mean, you know, it's really incredible, because he reached this point where he realized that he's about to die, basically, and, you know, was sort of almost ready to give up. He saw the man next to him get shot, one, two, three. He was the fourth in line. And at some point, he realizes that he's still alive. And I think there is a moment there, where, you know, he goes from sort of giving up to really wanting to fight for his life and embraced this like sort of miraculous moment of luck where the bullet misses him. And so at that point, he acts pretends to be dead. And he just waits for darkness and starts to, you know, rely on his survival instincts and keep on going.
[Paul:] Yeah. I read that he laid there for four hours until it became dark, and that's when he got up and he ran. And as he was running and he got to the side of the river, he ran into, as you mentioned earlier, this man along the river. And he talks about that interaction with him. Let's take a listen here. Obviously in a moment like that, Mona, he really felt a connection with this man. What happened next, and what does he tell you about ISIS?
[El Naggar:] I mean what he has to say about ISIS is, of course, sort of apparent from what we see ISIS doing in the video. I mean just extreme brutality. I think the shocking thing was that at one moment in the very beginning, when they were confronted by the ISIS militants, you know, they told them that they would not harm them, and they essentially lied to them and ended up really just, you know, massacring them. So I think what he has to say about ISIS is sort of demonstrated by what we see ISIS doing and what ISIS takes pride in doing. They shot the massacre and published their video online for everyone to see. So, and yes, Ali goes on after staying there for three days by the river bank, and he tries to cross the river. Of course, it's not easy. He's aware of sort of the risks that lie ahead. He's not exactly sure where to go, but, you know, all he can do is really try to cross that river. The current is pulling him towards an ISIS checkpoint, and he's, of course, sort of in this moment where he doesn't know if he's actually going to make it or not. He eventually, you know, gets across to the other side and still he doesn't know if he's going to survive because he's in a Sunni village. And he's scared to go knocking on doors. He doesn't know what would happen. You know, someone can turn him in. But you know, what's interesting through this tale of survival is, you know, it's essentially Sunni Muslims, the ISIS militants, who tried to kill him, who tried to execute him. And on the other side of the river bank, it's also Sunni Muslims who end up sheltering him and really helping him escape to safety.
[Paul:] Isn't that interesting, doesn't that tell you a lot about the dynamic of what's going on there. Mona El Naggar, thank you so much for being with us.
[Savidge:] Excellent reporting. Just such a powerful piece. Thank you.
[Paul:] It is. It is. Thank you so much. We encourage you to take a good look at this. And we'll be right back. Stay close.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Donald Sterling wants America to know he's not a racist. He said so during his first TV interview since his racist comments he made in private went public. So, in this exclusive one-on-one with our own Anderson Cooper, Sterling also tried to apologize for disparaging remarks he made about NBA Hall of Famer Magic Johnson and African-Americans. Take a look.
[Donald Sterling, L.a. Clippers Owner:] I'm not a racist. I made a terrible, terrible mistake. And I'm here with you today to apologize and to ask for forgiveness for all the people that I have hurt. And I have hurt so many people, so many innocent people. And I have hurt myself. You know, I spoke to a girl that I was fond of. When I listen to that tape, I don't even know how I could say words like that. And I'm so sorry. And I'm so apologetic.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor, "ac 360":] What are you sorry about?
[Sterling:] Well, I'm sorry that so many people are hurt. I never dreamt that this could happen. It's a terrible, terrible nightmare. My players, they didn't need this. They didn't need this cloud over their head. And they're good people.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Make sure you tune in tonight, 8:00, for the entire interview. And you see this guy on your screen? Magic Johnson. So when this whole story unfolded, Magic said he would never go to a Clippers game as long as Sterling was the owner. But here he was, just yesterday, Game Four, with NBA Commissioner Adam Silver. What could this be about? Johnson is rumored to be one of the parties interested perhaps, perhaps in buying the Clippers. Let's bring in CNN's Stephanie Elam who's outside the Staples Center, where very shortly Dick Parsons is set to hold his first press conference since being named interim CEO of the Clippers. Stephanie, let me get to that in a minute. You're in L.A. You're talking to folks. What is your reaction to this apology?
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] I have heard two things. One, that why did it take a couple of two weeks before Donald Sterling made any kind of apology, so why did it take so long? I've also heard people saying that he does seem sincere with what he's saying, that he does seem to be apologetic. And the other thing that they're wondering is just how much of this is involved in his desire to hold onto the team. And so that's what a lot of people are wondering, how that's going to play out, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] To the Dick Parsons this is the first-ever press conference since he's been named. Do we have any idea what he might be saying?
[Elam:] We do know that the head coach for the Clippers, Doc Rivers said that he has spoken to Dick Parsons and said that Mr. Parsons said he was going to focus on the basketball I mean, on the business and that Doc Rivers said he was going to focus on the basketball, and that they were going to divvy it up that way. What will be interesting to hear is how plans on attacking this problem that has become pervasive for the Clippers franchise, and how to separate what's going on with Sterling from actually getting the business of basketball handled, day in, day out. So that's what we're looking to hear from Mr. Parsons when he speaks here today.
[Baldwin:] We'll be watching for it on CNN. We'll be watching for you, as well. Stephanie Elam in Los Angeles, thank you so much. And as I mentioned a moment ago, we've just been playing snippets of this interview. You have to tune in, 8:00 tonight, "AC 360," for the entire, exclusive one-on-one with Donald Sterling. Just ahead, though, Michael Sam, becoming the first openly gay football player drafted into the NFL, it was an emotional moment, followed by a kiss with his boyfriend. Here you go. But just wait until you hear how some of his colleagues reacted to that. Also ahead, Hillary Clinton, candid, in what's expected to be a revealing new memoir, we have a snippet on the one person she says inspires her to keep pushing, each and every day. Stay with me.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Getting some news just into us here from Boston, specifically from the Boston Police Department. Here's what they're telling us, that security is being tightened right now after a dozen schools received suspicious letters. We're told that these letters contained threatening language, but did not target any specific individuals. They were postmarked from Texas, but do not believe there is any credible threat. So, that's the latest from Boston public schools. Speaking of Boston, from tragedy to tears of joy a bombing victim finally meets the stranger who helped save her life after the explosions happened on that marathon Monday. Erika Brannock was in agony, crumpled near the finish line. Then there was a woman knelt down to help her. She used her own belt as a tourniquet to help stop the bleeding. And Erika had no clue who this woman was, didn't know her name. But CNN tracked down this woman who saved her life. And this is the emotional reunion, thanks to Randi Kaye.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Investigative Correspondent:] This is what someone looks like waiting to meet the person, a stranger, who saved their life.
[Erika Brannock, Bombing Survivor:] Yes. I told my cousin last night that it's kind of like the night before Christmas, where you're so excited, but nervous at the same time and you can't sleep.
[Kaye:] Her name is Erika Brannock. Her name is Erika Brannock. Two days ago she left a hospital in Boston, the last victim of the Boston bombings to be discharged. They were two strangers who met in a moment of terror. Erica was gravely wounded losing one leg and breaking another. As she lay on the sidewalk in agony, she remembers this woman in the yellow sweater with the brown hair coming out of nowhere to help her. Her name is Amanda North, but Erika didn't know that at the time.
[Amanda North, Helped Boston Bombing Victim:] I do remember moving over and crawling over and reaching out to her because she was conscious.
[Kaye:] Amanda was the first to hear Erika's screams. She saw Erika's lower left leg had been blown off and yelled for help. Amanda took off her belt, which was used as a turn any cut. A photographer for the "Boston Globe" captured the moment. When we visited with Erika on Monday, the day she was released from the hospital in Boston, we showed her the photo of the woman she so desperately wanted to find. Erica thought she had said her name was Joan and she was from California.
[Brannock:] That's Joan right there. And then she's holding my hand right there. And then this is my right leg.
[Kaye:] Monday night after our story aired on "AC 360," we found Erika's "Joan," who we now know is Amanda North. We arranged for her to fly from California to meet Erika in Baltimore where she's in rehab. What did Erika think when her mom told her the good news?
[Brannock:] she had said, do you want to meet Joan tomorrow? And I just I started crying.
[Kaye:] Within 24 hours, the two were set to meet.
[Brannock:] I really just want to thank her for helping me and, you know, being there for me and holding my hand the whole time.
[Kaye:] Are you a little nervous as we head inside?
[North:] You know, I really am. It's a strange thing. In a way, she's a stranger to me, but when you share things like this, you feel like you've known someone your entire life. So it's I'm looking forward to meeting her but I'm a little nervous.
[Kaye:] Moments later, raw emotion.
[North:] Oh, my God. Look at you. Look at you.
[Brannock:] So glad we found you.
[North:] I have thought about you every moment...
[Brannock:] Me, too.
[North:] ... since the marathon. I didn't know how to get a hold of you, what had happened to you.
[Kaye:] Like old friends, the two exchanged gifts. Erika gave Amanda a necklace with a dragonfly on it to match hers.
[Brannock:] I wanted you to have one, too.
[Kaye:] Amanda brought Erika her favorite scarf.
[North:] And I want you to just think of me whenever you wear this and know that I'm always there for you. It never goes away. We're friends for life.
[Brannock:] We are. We're always going to be connected.
[North:] Yes, we will. Never going to stop holding your hand, no matter what happens.
[Kaye:] Both suffered serious injuries...
[Brannock:] They started wrapping my leg, so they have it wrapped up really tight.
[Kaye:] ... including perforated eardrums, but today they laughed about getting each other's names wrong.
[North:] You thought my name was Joan and I thought your name was Irene.
[Brannock:] I know. I don't know how we could have gotten them so wrong, but it was so loud.
[Kaye:] Finally together, they relived that terrible day.
[Brannock:] I had this horrible feeling that I was going to die, like I could sense that something was really wrong. Right away, you came right up to me, and you grabbed my hand and you told me that you weren't going to let go. And you didn't.
[North:] I felt like there was a reason I was there. I just felt this compulsion to go over to you.
[Kaye:] Erika's extended family all thanked Amanda for helping save Erika that day, but it was this moment between Amanda and Erika's mother who had been given Erika's belongings at the hospital that said so much.
[Carol Downing, Erika Brannock's Mother:] I was just thinking I could be holding these and she wouldn't be here, and I'm so thankful for you that she's here.
[Kaye:] To Erika and her family, Amanda is a hero, but Amanda just wants to be known as a friend, a new friend for life. Randi Kaye, CNN, Baltimore.

[Feyerick:] And we are waiting for a press conference on these two alleged cop killers. Right now authorities have put up photographs of the two. They are now being identified as Amanda and Jerad Miller. Now, there was discussion that they had been linked to Cliven Bundy, to Cliven Bundy. But according but he told our Dan Simon, quote, he doesn't remember the Millers, doesn't remember them being at his ranch and doesn't know anything about them being kicked off the ranch. You remember he is the anti-government rancher who's been refusing to acknowledge the existence of the federal government, has refused to pay any land taxes. It's unclear whether this duo was simply sort of linking themselves to him, what philosophy they were espousing. We're waiting to determine what motive they had for this shooting. Two officers killed, assassinated really, point-blank range as they sat having lunch on Sunday. And you can see some of the sheriffs there are coming out for this press conference that we expect to happen any moment. I want to turn to Lou Palumbo, who's with us now. And talk about these groups that they could potentially be a part of it. And as soon as they step up to the podium, I'm going to cut you off there, Lou. But when you talk about the different groups that they might be associated with, these anti-government groups, possible militia, how do we identify whether, in fact, they're part of something larger or they were simply operating independently.
[Lou Palumbo, Nassau County Police:] Well, one of the ways that we'll determine whether or not they were a part of this group, a larger group or operating independently, will be through an investigation. The thing I will tell you is that our FBI consistently monitors the activity of all of these groups and has a pattern of infiltrating them so they get first-hand information and knowledge at all times. The question here is, were these individuals lone wolves or were they, in fact, acting out part of an agenda of a larger group, which has a very different significance?
[Feyerick:] You know, and it's interesting you say that actually, hold on one second. We're going to pause for a moment. But when you say that the FBI has infiltrated these groups, how do you know when a threat becomes real before its happening? So if the threat is made online, when does somebody go in and say, OK, we need to intercede?
[Palumbo:] Well, interestingly enough, you brought this up, apparently it's been reported that the neighbors have had dialogue or exchange with these two individuals where they indicated they were going to shoot police officers. And for whatever reason, they were a little bit remiss in notifying the authorities that this was something they were considering. They didn't take them seriously, so to speak.
[Feyerick:] OK. Now we are going to pause. We are going to listen to the police update here on the shooting of those two officers in Las Vegas.
[Sheriff Doug Gillespie, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police:] Good afternoon, everyone. Now for those of you who don't know me, I'm Doug Gillespie, Clark County Sheriff, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. I have some prepared comments and then I'm going to introduce two members of my executive staff that will update you on the incident itself, as well as suspect information. And then after the three of us have spoken, we will then answer any questions that you may have. It has now been 24 hours since my two officers and a citizen were murdered. The families of the officers are dealing with the loss of their loved ones and our police department family is trying to cope with their deaths as well. I can't thank the Las Vegas community enough for the kind words and support over the last 24 hours. I also want to extend a thank you to our brothers and sisters in law enforcement for I have received personal calls, text messages and e- mails from law enforcement brothers and sisters across this great country. To my agency, I'm proud of your focus over the past 24 hours. From the initial response to our patrol officers' call for help at Cici's Pizza, as well as your response to the Wal-Mart has been was extraordinary. You showed no fear, entering a building knowing shots were being fired and that two of your brothers had already been shot. You used your training and good sense and developed a plan that forced the two suspects into a situation where their only avenue was to take their own lives. You did not get caught up in the moment. You relied on good leadership and sound police tactics. I applaud you. Once the situation was contained and the suspects no longer a threat, our investigative personnel began their work. Two dynamic and large scenes were processed and examined with great skill and efficiency. I also want to thank other first responders to the scene. Las Vegas Fire and Rescue, Clark County Fire, AMR, Nevada Highway Patrol. To those paramedics, even though both of my officers did not make it, I know you worked hard to give them a chance. To UMC and the trauma center, God bless you. I watched you work so hard on my two men, but we all know the wounds were too severe. To the family of Mr. Joseph Wilcox, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department would like to send our deepest heartfelt condolences. Joseph died attempting to protect others. His death is completely senseless. I know all of you here, as well as many people far away, have many questions. I would now ask Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill to come to the podium. He will speak to the investigation, the identity of the suspects and what we have in regards to the event itself. Once he is finished, Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo will address where we go from here and about how our patrol officers will operate moving forward. As I stated before, once they have both completed their remarks, we will answer questions. Kevin.
[Kevin Mcmahill, Second Assistant Sheriff, Las Vegas Metro Police:] Thank you, sheriff. I'm just going to give you the names real quick so as you as I begin to tell you the story, it will be very simple for you to follow along here. I think most of you already know that the two officers involved, the first one is Officer Igor Soldo. He's 31 years of age and he was hired with Metro in 2006. The second officer is Alyn Beck. He's 41 years of age. He was hired here in Metro in 2001. The two suspects you'll see on the the to my left here. The first one is Jerad Miller. He's 31 years of age. The second is his wife, Amanda Miller. She is 22 years of age. The citizen victim in this case, Mr. Joseph Wilcox, is 31 years of age. So a chronology of the events as we move forward. At about 11:22 hours yesterday, officers Soldo and Beck were inside of the Cici's Pizza taking their lunch break. At that time, Mr. Jerad Miller entered into the restaurant, looked around briefly and immediately exited the restaurant. He then went back out and met with his wife, Amanda, and both of them re-entered the store after leaving several of the items they had carried with them, being backpacks, outside of the store. They walked past our officers, who were eating lunch in one of the booths. And immediately upon passing them, Jerad Miller pulled a handgun out and shot Officer Soldo one time in the back of his head. Officer Soldo immediately succumb to his injuries. There was no further movement from him in the booth. At that time, Officer Beck immediately began to react when he was confronted with lethal gunfire from Jerad Miller. And he was shot once in the throat area. What happened after that, very quickly, was that Amanda Miller then removes a handgun from her purse and both Jerad and Amanda Miller fire multiple shots into Officer Beck. This entire incident at the Cici's is captured on videotape. We're still conducting forensic review of that video. Immediately upon the shooting commencing or finishing, the suspects pulled the officers out of the booth and on to the ground where they placed a Gadsden flag, which is a don't tread on me yellow flag, on the body of Officer Beck. They also threw a swastika on top of his body. At that point, Mr. Jerad Miller then pinned a note to Officer Soldo that basically stated that this is the beginning of the revolution. They made the same types of comments inside of the restaurant where numerous restaurant patrons heard that commentary. They then walked out of the restaurant, gathered their backpacks and proceeded in a south bound direction. They then crossed Nullius Boulevard over to the Wal-Mart and entered into the front door of the Wal-Mart store. Immediately upon entering the store, Jerad Miller walked in through the front doors and fired off one round and told the people to get out and that this is a revolution and that the police were on the way. Amanda Miller was trailing behind Jerad Miller, but we believe she was placing the backpacks into a shopping cart. At that time, our citizen victim, Mr. Joseph Wilcox, was located over in the area where you pay and he observed this activity and he told his friend he was going to confront the suspects. He was carrying a concealed weapon and he immediately and heroically moved towards the position of Jerad Miller. Upon completing that action, he did not realize that Amanda Miller was with Jerad Miller and passed her directly. As soon as he began to confront Jerad Miller with his firearm, Amanda Miller removed her firearm and shot him one time in the ribs area where he immediately collapsed. Subsequent to that, the 911 calls continued to come in and the officers were responding to both locations. Information was put out at the scene very quickly that when Jerad and Amanda Miller were at the Cici's they took the firearms from our downed officers, as well as all of the ammunition on their belts when they left and took that with them. As soon as they got into the they continued towards the rear of the Wal-Mart store and our officers, led by two sergeants using the active shooter assailant protocols that we train on called Mack Attack, decided to enter into five man elements and enter in the store. One team entered from the rear. The other team entered from the front. And almost upon entry the team in the rear began contact with the suspects. There was an exchange of gunfire between the officers and the suspects. And the suspects continued towards the rear of the store near the automotive area. There was a number of times that the officers and the suspects both conversed, as well as exchanged gunfire. And we had an officer immediately, at the direction of one of the sergeants, get into the surveillance area with one of the security officers from Wal-Mart and then began to view that tape and provide updated intelligence to our responding officers as to the locations of the suspects. At that point, the sergeant at the scene made the determination that they had the suspects contained in the rear of the store and that they were not going to further advance on the officers and they were waiting for SWAT to arrive. At some point during the struggle, Jerad Miller had gathered items from throughout the store and both of the suspects had laid down and sat down on the grounds at various times and positioned themselves in the tactical tactically advantageous position to engage any officers that were approaching. He also took some of the items around there and sort of built a defensive position around Amanda. She was seated and was suffering from an apparent gunshot wound. At one point he laid on his stomach in front of Amanda. Amanda removed her her handgun and fired several rounds into Jerad, where he then immediately passed on the floor. At that point, Amanda took her handgun and ended her own life with one gunshot wound to the head. SWAT officers responding went in, immediately secured both suspects with handcuffs. At that point it was made, a determination, that Amanda was still breathing and we took her out and transported her to the University Medical Center with the assistant of our fire professionals. That's a very brief description of what we know at this point. I would like to point out to you a couple of the what we have found from the investigation as it's unfolded at this point. At this time we believe this is an isolated act. As you all know, we're conducting hundreds of interviews. It's a very complex investigation. We're looking at social media, we're talking to associates, we're talking to neighbors. We're trying to make a determination what it is that could have been the motive, what was the motivation behind their targeting police officers and walking in with no warning and executing our officers. I can tell you that there is no doubt that the suspects have some apparent ideology that's along the lines of militia and white supremacists. You already have reporting in the media that on the FaceBook of Mr. Jerad Miller he indicated that he was at the Bundy ranch during the cattle standoff. We continue to utilize investigative resources to determine if in fact that is true. As you all know, there was a convergence of not only militia but white supremacists and sovereign citizens to the Bundy ranch. We continue to look at any connectivity that Jerad or Amanda Miller may have to that previous action. I'll tell you that there's also a lot of media speculation in regards to those connections with that ideology and one of the things that we believe at this point with the swastika is that we don't necessarily believe that they are white supremacist or associated with the Nazi movement. We believe that they equate government and law enforcement fascism and those who support it with Nazis. In other words, they believe that law enforcement is the oppressor and they're associated with the Nazi movement. As you well know, we are working with our federal counterparts and as the suspects have previous residents in both Washington and Indiana, we believe they've only been here since January of this year. Jerad Miller has a criminal background where he is a convicted felon for vehicle theft offenses in the state of Washington. And as you well know, he said in his FaceBook posts that that is one of the reasons that he was kicked out of the Bundy ranch because of his criminal history and background. We do realize that the events in Gold Butte attracted a significant number of anti-government and anti-law enforcement individuals and we continue to investigate the aspects of this case that may be related to that. At this timely I'm going to have Assistant Sheriff Lombardo come up.
[Feyerick:] So to recap of what he is now saying, and that is they have identified the two suspects, Jerad and Amanda Miller. Jerad, 31 years old, Amanda, 22. We are told also that, in fact, she shot him after they had entered the Wal-Mart and then took her own life. She was breathing when police arrived. They are recapping that they believe that, in fact, they may be part of some militia. They have an ideology that tends towards militia and white supremacists. They don't know the motivation yet, but they have identified that the officers were executed at point blank range. That is what we know so far. Also interesting that after Jerad Miller assassinated, effectively executed the first officer and then opened fire on the second, he covered they pulled the officers from the booth in which they were sitting, having pizza for lunch, and they placed a yellow Gadsden flag over one of the officers, that is a revolutionary flag, as well as a swastika. They also pinned a note to one of the officers which said, this is the beginning of the revolution. Those are statements that they also made while they were in that store. They had backpacks with them. They had left them outside and that's when they went out and crossed the street into the Wal-Mart. Interestingly, the third victim, a man by the name of Joseph Wilcox, he was had a concealed weapon and he was confronting Jerad Miller. He had no idea that Amanda was with Jerad Miller. And as he drew his weapon, the police the sheriff the police officer told us that, in fact, that is when she opened fire on him, killing Joseph Wilcox, who was trying was trying to diffuse the situation. That is what we know so far.

[Cabrera:] Bombshell testimony out of a Murrieta, Georgia, courtroom this week. It's just the beginning in the shocking case of a father accused of leaving his son to die in a car in the scorching summer heat. My panel of experts joins me again. Holly, let's start with you, what's next for Justin Ross Harris?
[Hughes:] There will be a grand jury convened and they will do pretty much what you saw happen at the probable cause hearing. The detective will go in, he will testify, the D.A. will be there, and he will present what he believes are appropriate charges. So again, we may see this upgraded to a malice murder charge. He'll ask the grand jury to vote on it and they will either return an indictment or not. I'm pretty sure we're going to get a high indictment on this one but I also think that simultaneously, the investigation is going to continue and we may see charges brought against Leanna if they're able to develop the evidence to support those charges.
[Cabrera:] Danny, will the charges stay the same for Justin Harris?
[Cevallos:] Highly doubtful. Look at the facts. The primary crime he's charged with is one of negligence. All the evidence we heard at that preliminary hearing was evidence about why he might have purposefully left this child in the car. Why would the D.A., why would the prosecution, introduce this evidence of specific intent, of malice, if they intended to keep the murder charge as it is? Which as it is, is a negligence-type murder. Georgia has only one kind of murder, there are no degrees. Yet I think we can expect this to be upgraded. I think the prosecution is strongly considering death penalty.
[Cabrera:] Wow. What about the family of this couple? This is just the beginning for them too, of course. How are they likely to handle this?
[Ho:] Well, I think right now what they have to focus is on still staying tight as a family, being able to console each other, because really, it's hard to tell what's going to happen here. I think one of the strongest tools the defense has is actually the fact that Justin Ross Harris will be sitting there, developing a relationship and a bond with the jury, who may end up being sympathetic towards the end because they've gotten to know this person.
[Cabrera:] Richard, is this the next big trial in America?
[Gabriel:] Sure looks like it. It's got all the hallmarks. It's got obviously so wrenching. You know, the death of a child. I think it touches us so meaningfully. That's why to a certain extent we have to reflect, we look at ourselves, we look at the times where we have the impulse to leave our child in the car. And maybe we didn't, maybe we just ran an errand, stuff like that. So, it's got all of the things that make us compelled to watch something like this.
[Cabrera:] It's one that really touches people deeply, I think, like you said, because it involves a child. And I can say I can speak for myself as a parent and for other parents when I'm talking to them about this story, they say, it just hurts so much to think of something like this happening to my own child. So I think you bring up why this is such a hot-button case. We have a lot more to talk about, of course, on this case, but no time today. Holly Hughes, Judy Ho, Danny Cevallos, thank you all for joining us. Richard Gabriel, you're going to stay with us because of your unique perspective in another child murder case in the news this week. Stay with us. And it's been three years since Casey Anthony was found not guilty of killing her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. Up next, exclusive images of Casey Anthony and details on what her life is like now.
[Cheney Mason, Attorney:] She hasn't been freed from her incarceration yet, because she can't go out. She can't do anything.
[Cabrera:] It was a verdict that shocked America. In 2011, Casey Anthony walked out of a court a free woman after a trial marked by controversy, secrets, and prosecutors arguing that she killed her 2- year-old daughter. Now, the circumstances surrounding young Caylee's death are still a mystery. In a CNN exclusive, we now know what life is like for Casey Anthony today. And, Richard Gabriel, a jury consultant for Anthony's defense, is with us to discuss one of the most talked about cases of this decade. But, first, Richard, let's look at this report from CNN's Jean Casarez.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] Three years after being acquitted in what was described as the death penalty trial of the century, Casey Anthony remains a virtual prisoner according to her attorney, Cheney Mason.
[Cheney Mason, Attorney:] She hasn't been freed from her incarceration yet, because she can't go out. She can't do anything.
[Casarez:] Mason and his wife are among Anthony's few friends. He shared these recent pictures of her exclusively with CNN. He says Anthony fears for her life and remains isolated from her family.
[Cheney Mason:] She does not have any blood family anymore. She has no contact with them.
[Casarez:] No contact with her mother?
[Cheney Mason:] I think she's had a few phone conversations with her over the years. That's it. No contact.
[Casarez:] Her father?
[Cheney Mason:] None.
[Casarez:] Her brother?
[Cheney Mason:] None. Not likely to ever be.
[Casarez:] Cheney Mason, one of Anthony's criminal defense attorneys, has penned a book "Justice in America." He says Casey makes a meager living working from her undisclosed home in Florida.
[Shirley Mason, Wife Of Casey Anthony's Attorney:] I know that she has very very strong feelings about what has happened to her. I also know she's very saddened by her loss. And she never will forget her daughter Caylee, ever.
[Casarez:] Jean Casarez, CNN, New York.
[Cabrera:] Some of Casey Anthony's former attorneys have been doing what they can to help her. Casey Anthony though denied our request for interview. And we have Richard Gabriel back with us, the author of a new book, "Acquittal." Richard, you advise Casey's defense attorney Jose Baez. What qualities were you looking for in potential jurors in this case?
[Gabriel:] Well, when you're doing work, especially on a death penalty case, the thing you're most significantly looking for, people who are just going to have a hard time applying a death penalty. And that's the first and foremost thing. But we were looking for jurors who would be willing to really dig into the evidence, would turn a keen and skeptical eye, and were smart about it. Because we knew that so much of the emotion of this case was what the prosecutors were counting on to drive the jurors to just thinking, she's a bad mother and she lied, so therefore she must be guilty. So, we really wanted jurors smart, skeptical, and really dig in. And that's what we ultimately I think got in this jury.
[Cabrera:] Richard, I know you met with the Anthony family. Did you believe any of them were capable of telling the truth? George, Cindy, Casey?
[Gabriel:] Well, I think when you sit there in the living room after especially such a huge tragedy, and at that point, we also had the rumors and we had some indication that Casey had talked about the sexual abuse of George. And so, you're sitting there trying to make sense of it. You don't know really what the truth is. But you know that need the surface of this seemingly idyllic and middle-class home, there is lurking something else, something different there. And because a woman who loses a child and doesn't talk about it for 31 days is so puzzling to you. And so, you really struggle with what's the truth here? And it's not so black and white. It's very gray. And it was such a mystery I think ultimately for the jurors in the case.
[Cabrera:] And you wrote in your new book that we just mentioned, I have never run across a stronger or more palpable anger than I encountered in this case. What do you think triggered that public anger? Was it the media to blame?
[Gabriel:] I don't think it was solely the media. The truth is that we as a country were invested in that case. There was a missing child. That reaches out to all of us. All of us think of our own children being lost. And so, we hoped and prayed for months and months that she would be found safe and sound. And not only is the tragedy of her finding her dead there, but then all of a sudden the behavior of Casey Anthony, we needed to have a vent to have some way of expressing that deep sorrow. It obviously became directed as anger and the conclusion that Casey Anthony must have been guilty of her own child's death.
[Cabrera:] And she walked out a freedom. Ten years from now, will Casey Anthony do you think be able to walk down the street without being hassled, without being harassed?
[Gabriel:] I don't know. I mean, the truth is that we have a long memory. You know, think of O.J. Simpson. Think of these cases. We become publicly invested. And this is why I say, you know, American justice really isn't "American Idol." We have to trust our jury system, of those jurors who are hearing the evidence, hearing things we aren't at home. I'm not sure if Casey will ever not be the pariah that she is today. Hopefully time will heal some of this for all of us.
[Cabrera:] Richard Gabriel, thank you so much for your time this whole hour, we appreciate it.
[Gabriel:] Thank you.
[Cabrera:] And you are in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Anna Cabrera in New York. Stay with us.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. I don't know if you've been following the situation in Hawaii with the lava, but you should be. They now have to evacuate a town. You have to remember: This is molten rock, and we have no way to stop it. These people are all helpless to what the natural course of events are here. So right now we have CNN's Martin Savidge, who is following this situation. But literally, people are just watching and waiting right now. Here's what we know so far.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] This has been a slow-motion disaster. Officials have actually had months to prepare for it. But they admit, now that it's here, it's a whole different emotional chapter. [voice-over]: The day residents have been fearing is finally here. The town of Pahoa is burning. A 2,000-degree river of molten lava that's been approaching for months is now searing the town, and it's just the beginning. Overnight, the first official evacuation notices went out.
[Darryl Olivera, Hawaii County Civil Defense Contractor:] Face to face, knock on the door, by a public safety official.
[Savidge:] The lava is moving at about 30 feet an hour. And at its current speed, it will cut the town's main street in less than two days. In a helicopter, I could follow the trail of destruction from the slopes of the Kilauea volcano to the edge of town. [on camera]: There it is. That's the lava field, and most of the lava is moving underground. You can see how it transforms the landscape. It just wipes out the vegetation. [voice-over]: On its way, the lava invaded a local cemetery, surrounding the white tombstones. [on camera]: There's nothing that can be done. In other words, if you're thinking why don't they divert it or why don't they try to dig a channel to go around the town? Hawaii has tried all that in the past. It's never been effective. [voice-over]: On the ground, crews race to construct new roads around the lava, to keep an evacuation route open and businesses connected to the nearby city of Hilo.
[Charlene Ewing, Local Business Owners:] Hopefully, we'll be able to always stay open. Hopefully, Pahoa will still be viable.
[Savidge:] Even as the danger creeps ever closer, some residents say they will stay, if only to watch their homes burn.
[Olivera:] When the lava flow comes through their subdivision or through their area, there will be an opportunity for them to remain on site, provided it's safe to do so.
[Savidge:] Later today, members of the Hawaii National Guard are expected to show up, bolstering the security forces that are already here. They will patrol the streets, even as parts of the town burn. Back to you.
[Cuomo:] it's good to have Martin there. But boy, it really does give you some perspective of the helplessness there. And remember, the entire island is, you know, cooled-off molten lava.
[Camerota:] Lava, right. And to hear him say there's nothing that can be done. That's not in our vocabulary, usually.
[Cuomo:] Imagine that: sitting around just to watch your house burn.
[Camerota:] Right.
[Cuomo:] Let's get over to meteorologist Indra Petersons, keeping track of the latest forecast. Got some hot and cold play here, as well.
[Indra Petersons, Cnn Meteorologist:] It's been hot for a while, and we all are loving this, but we know just take a look at the map how quickly this weather is going to change. As long as you're ahead of the cold front, temperatures feel very nice. You're talking about 78 degrees out towards Raleigh today. But look just behind the front, and you know exactly what is coming your way. And you probably don't like it. More and more of that cool air and even some rain showers today, really all of the entire Eastern Seaboard. Now, this is the best it's going to be over the next several days. Why? Because we're going to be talking about those temperatures dipping even further. You're talking about temperatures that felt like they were in the 80s just a day or so ago going down to the 50s. But that's not even the big story. I mean, so what, 50s, right, this time of year? It is maybe this factor: snow and, by the way, Halloween coming on Friday. No one wants their first snowfall. But Thursday, Friday, Saturday, here we go. Many of you will be seeing those first flurries as early as this weekend. So what is going on? Here comes the first thing we're talking about" some lake-effect snow, tiny flurries in the Midwest and also out towards the Ohio valley. Then that low continues to develop, make its way up the coastline so the northeast could be talking about some flurries overnight Saturday night in through Sunday. So Halloween, I'm sorry, the kiddies definitely need extra layers, because you're talking about these overnight hours, temperatures finally dipping back down to the 30s. I was really hoping it was going to stay. Right? Seventies, like a day or two ago?
[Camerota:] Why not?
[Pereira:] I remember every year as a kid. Like, you had this great elaborate costume and then having to opt for face paint and a parka.
[Camerota:] You were in Canada as a kid. Right?
[Pereira:] I remember that. So depressing.
[Camerota:] For real snow.
[Cuomo:] Saskatchewan. The real deal.
[Pereira:] Exactly.
[Camerota:] Thanks, Indra.
[Cuomo:] I just got that. That was good.
[Camerota:] All right. Wait till you see this. It is a massive fireball moments after takeoff. An unmanned rocket explodes seconds after takeoff. It was on its way to resupply the International Space Station. What went wrong?

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] The WikiLeaks source says he wants to live the rest of his life as a woman and he no longer wants to be referred to as Bradley, but as Chelsea. His gender identity crisis was revealed during the sentencing phase of his trial after the military released this picture of Manning wearing a wig and makeup. Manning now wants hormone therapy for gender reassignment and that's something Fort Leavenworth, the Army base where Manning is being held, does not provide.
[David Coombs, Manning's Attorney:] Well, I don't know about the sex reassignment surgery that Chelsea hasn't indicated that that would be her desire. But as far as the hormone therapy, yes. I'm hoping Fort Leavenworth would do the right thing and provide that. If Fort Leavenworth does not, then I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that they are forced to do so.
[Costello:] Pentagon correspondent Chris Lawrence joins us live now. So this has to be a new one there the Army.
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, it certainly one that they're not equipped to deal with at Fort Leavenworth, Carol. I mean, they basically will provide all kinds of mental health therapy, psychologists, psychiatrists, any kind of counseling he would need. But in terms of giving him hormones or much less sex reassignment surgery, Fort Leavenworth and the Army just don't do that. So, David Coombs is right. He's basically going to have to sue the Army to try to get that therapy there, or down the road perhaps petition on medical ground that Manning's needs can't be met there and that he needs to be transferred to a federal prison where he can perhaps get that hormone therapy.
[Costello:] So who would pay for this therapy?
[Lawrence:] Well, the government. The taxpayers. I mean, basically, when you're incarcerated, part of the deal is the state or the federal government is taking responsibility for your medical condition. You no longer have the means to fund your own medical care, so it's just like if a prisoner needs medicine for diabetes, some courts, not all, but some courts have found that this condition is a medical need and that as such the prison or wherever is holding the prisoner would be obligated to pay for it.
[Costello:] And then if he is transferred to a federal prison, would he have to go to a woman's prison?
[Lawrence:] That gets into a real tricky legal area. I'm not sure exactly for every prison what the rules are as to, you know, when you are placed in a male or female population. I know he's going to be in a population in Fort Leavenworth. And I did some digging on that. At Fort Leavenworth, there's between 400 and 500 male inmates. More than half of them are there for sexual crimes. And from what I've been told Manning would transition to more of a general population area because now he is convicted. He had been sort of in a trial area where the people where you're there, but you're still on trial. You haven't been convicted. But now that he's been sentenced, he was scheduled to move to a more general population area there at Fort Leavenworth.
[Costello:] All right, Chris Lawrence, I'm sure much more will come out about this down the line today. Chris Lawrence reporting live from the Pentagon. We have new pictures of children returning to class in Decatur, Georgia. Just two days after a school shooting terrified the community and shut down the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy. Also this morning, that dramatic 911 call that everyone is talking about. Many are calling this woman Antoinette Tuff a hero. She is the school office worker who confronted the shooter. Police say Michael Brandon Hill was armed with an assault rifle and 500 rounds of ammunition but Tuff didn't run away. She actually engaged him, sharing her life story, including her thoughts of a suicide in a failed marriage. She even told him, she loved him. And slowly, but surely, Hill put his gun down and surrendered. But you have to hear this for yourself. So here it is. The entire unedited 911 call.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] DeKalb Police. What's the address and your emergency?
[Antoinette Tuff, School Bookkeeper:] Yes, ma'am, I'm on 2nd Avenue in the school and the gentleman said tell them to hold down the police officers are coming, he's going to start shooting. So tell them to back off.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. One moment.
[Tuff:] Do not let anybody in the building including no police. Do not let anybody in the building including the police.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. Stay on the line with me, ma'am. Where are you?
[Tuff:] I'm in the front office. He just went outside and started shooting. Can I run?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Where can you get somewhere safe?
[Tuff:] Yes, I got to go. No, he was going to see me running. He's coming back. Oh, hold on.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Put the phone down.
[Tuff:] Bye. OK. She said that she's getting the policeman to tell them to back off for you. OK?
[Michael Brandon Hill, Suspect:] Tell them to stop all movement.
[Tuff:] OK. OK.
[Hill:] Stop all movement now.
[Tuff:] Stop all movement now on the ground. Stop all movement on the ground. If it's not an emergency, please do not use the radio. If it's not an emergency, do not use the radio.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Are you talking to the shooter?
[Tuff:] That's what he's telling me to tell them on the radio.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] Now what did you want me to tell her, sir? OK. He told me put you on hold and call the news, ma'am.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] What you want you want me I'm trying to find the number for Channel 2. OK. You want me to tell them to hello?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
[Tuff:] Police?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Yes, ma'am.
[Tuff:] He said tell them to back up right now.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] OK. Hold on.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. Hello? Ma'am?
[Tuff:] OK. He said he said to tell them to back off. He doesn't want the kids, he wants the police, so back off and and what else, sir? He said, he don't care if he die, he don't have nothing to live for, and he said he's not mentally stable.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. Stay on the line with me. OK? Put the phone down if you have to but don't put it on hold so I can't hear.
[Tuff:] OK.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Can you tell me where you are?
[Tuff:] In the front office with him.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] He said he said send in one of your radios with an unarmed officer.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] She said OK, she's getting ready to tell them, or somewhere he can talk to the police. He said, but if they come armed, he's going to start shooting again.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] Only one officer.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] He said, if you have to go ahead and evacuate them all right there in the front of the building.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. OK. Ask him, is he willing to give his name?
[Tuff:] She said, are you willing to give your name? He said no.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] He said no, he knows that if he gives his name, he's going away for a long time, and he said he knows he's going away for a long time. He's on probation. Tell them to stand down now. Tell them to stand down now he said.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. Tell him I'm going to give them the instructions.
[Tuff:] She said she's giving the instructions. He said that he should just shoot himself. He said he said call the probation office in DeKalb County and let them know what is going on.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. Who are we asking for?
[Tuff:] She said, who is she asking for? He said he think it's Officer Scott.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. OK.
[Tuff:] You want me to let them let her get by?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] What's your emergency?
[Tuff:] Yes.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Hello?
[Tuff:] Yes.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Yes, I'm here.
[Tuff:] You want me to tell her to let let her come, sir? She sounds like she loves you a lot.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] You're on the phone with a relative?
[Tuff:] Yes. Yes. What you say, sir? He said he should have just went to the mental hospital instead of doing this because he's not on his medication.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] Well, do you want me I can help you. Want me do you want to talk to them? Want me to talk to them and try OK. Well, let me talk to them and let's see if we can work it out so that you don't have to go away with them for a long time. No, it does matter. I can let them know that you have not tried to harm me or do anything with me or anything. That you want but that doesn't make any difference. You didn't hit anybody. So OK. Let me ask you this, ma'am. He didn't hit anybody, he just shot outside the door. If I walk out there with him if I walk out there with him so they won't shoot him or anything like that. He wants to give himself up. Is that OK? They won't shoot him?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Yes, ma'am.
[Tuff:] And he said he just want to go to the hospital.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] She said
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Just hold on one moment. OK?
[Tuff:] OK. She said hold on and we and she's going to talk to the police officer and I'll go out there with you. Well, don't feel bad, baby. My husband just left me after 33 years. But yes, you do. I mean, I'm sitting here with you and talking just talking to you about it. I got a son that's multiple disabled. Can I speak to her? Let me talk let me talk to her and let her know that I'm going to go with you. You want me to talk to her? No, you didn't, baby. It's all going to be well. And they just going to talk to the police. OK. OK. Hold on. Hold on a second, OK?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Uh-huh, don't hang up the phone.
[Tuff:] OK. Hold on. He wants me to go over to the intercom so hold the phone for me, OK?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] OK. Wait a minute. So can you talk to the police and let them know that I'm going to walk out there with him and he wants to give himself up?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. I am. Let me get an OK from them, OK?
[Tuff:] OK. And what and you let me know what we need to do? He wants me to get on the intercom and let everybody know that he's sorry, OK?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] OK. Hold on. Ma'am?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Yes, ma'am.
[Tuff:] OK. He's going to come out now but he wants to know what do you want him to do with the gun.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] Or do you want to send a police officer in? He said, he'll be on the ground with his hands behind the back and I'll take the gun from him and put it over here on the other side by me.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK. One moment.
[Tuff:] OK. Put yes, put all that over here so that way they won't see it. OK? Come over here and put it over here on this OK. Put it all up there. OK.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] He's put the weapons down?
[Tuff:] Yes. So hold on before you come. He's putting everything down.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] So he's going to get on the floor so tell them to hold on a minute. So let him get everything together. He's getting it all together. OK. Tell me when you ready and I'll tell them to come on in. OK. He wants to drink his bottle of water so let him drink it. Let him get it together. He's OK.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] Did you want me to call somebody and talk to somebody for you? OK. We not going to hate you, baby. It's a good thing that you're giving up. So we're not going to hate you. OK.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] Ma'am, you're doing a great job.
[Tuff:] So let's do it before the helicopters and stuff like that come. So
[Hill:] I already hear them.
[Tuff:] They're here? You hear them? OK. So you want to go ahead and want me to tell them to come on in now? OK. He's getting everything out of his pockets now.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] OK. He said the gun may come back and say it's stolen but it's not. He knows the whole story about the gun and he let you all know that.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] Do you all want him to take his belt off?
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] That's fine, just take all his weapons off.
[Tuff:] OK. She said that's fine, take all your weapons off. Your he said he don't have no more weapons.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] OK. So you OK, he's on the ground now with his hands behind the back. Tell the officers don't come in with any gun don't come on shooting or anything, so they can come on in and I'll buzz them in.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] So hold on. Just sit right there, I'm going to buzz them in, OK, so you know when they coming. OK? OK. So just stay there calm. Don't worry about it. I'm going to sit right here so they'll see that you trying not to harm me. OK? OK.
[Unidentified 911 Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] It's going to be all right, sweetheart. I just want you to know that I love you, OK? And I'm proud of you. That's a good thing that you're just giving up and don't worry about it. We all go through something in life. No, you don't want that. No, you don't want that. You going to be OK. You're going to be OK. I thought the same thing, you know, I tried to commit suicide last year after my husband left me? But look at me now. I'm still working and everything is OK. Your name is Michael what? Michael Hill? When the weather in the harbor? The people came in the harbor and planted a gun? Oh, the drum from in the harbor? Oh, OK. So you came with the kids that play the drums for in the harbor? Oh, for real? So you was actually in there doing all of that with them? Oh, how awesome. So that means I seen so that means I've seen you before then. Oh, OK. You all play them drums and stuff real good. OK. He said that they can come on in now. He needs to go to the hospital. 911
[Operator:] OK.
[Tuff:] And he doesn't have any weapons on him or anything like that. He's laying on the floor and he doesn't have any weapons. He's got everything out of his pocket. There is no the only thing he has on is his belt. Everything is out of his pockets, everything sitting here on the corner. So all we need to do is they can just come in. I'm going to buzz them in so he knows that they are here and everything. And they can come in and get him, and take him to the hospital. 911
[Operator:] OK. One moment.
[Tuff:] OK. Yes, she says she's going to let them know. She's talking to them now. To let know to come on in and to take you to the hospital. OK? No, you stay right there. You fine. He said, do you want him to go out there with his hands up or you want him to
[Operator:] Stay right where he is.
[Tuff:] OK. She said stay right there with you are. Yes he wants to know, can he get some of his water right quick? Yes, Michael. You said Michael Hill, right? OK. Guess what, Michael, my last name is Hill, too. You know, my mom was a Hill. He said, what are you all waiting for? What's taking them so long to come on? 911
[Operator:] OK. One moment.
[Tuff:] She said, she's getting to them now. They're coming. They're coming. So just hold on, Michael. Go ahead and lay down. Go ahead and lay down. Said don't put your phone OK. You just got your phone? OK. That's fine. Tell them to come on. Come on. OK. He just got his phone. That's all he got is his phone. Hello? 911
[Operator:] Yes.
[Tuff:] Let me tell you something, baby, nothing so scary in my life. 911
[Operator:] Me, either. But you did great.
[Tuff:] Oh, Jesus.
[Costello:] Words cannot express, right? Just amazing. Let's talk some more about this. Martin Savidge is in Decatur. And the Decatur police chief, Cedric Alexander is with me this morning. Thank you both for coming in to talk about it. Martin, I want to start with you. Is Ms. Tuff back at school, Martin?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] No, she's not. She's off today getting some well-deserved rest. We're being told by school officials. But, of course, she is the woman that everybody wants to see and everybody wants to know. And what we can tell you is that she's been with the school district eight years. She's been at this school three years. And, in fact, initially she wasn't going to be the one in the office at that particular time. It was going to be someone else, but then the principal realized that's a key part of the day. A lot of parents come and go at that time and they need somebody senior, a veteran. And so, Ms. Tuff was there and well, thank goodness for that.
[Costello:] Are most of the kids back at school, martin?
[Savidge:] They are. Yes. There are about 600 students, 800 total, but about 600 that show up on a daily basis and they all came back this morning. Yesterday, they were at a temporary site and today they are inside and counselors that are on site for the students, the staff, anyone who may need them. But everything started off normally, they say. And so far, everything has been just fine on the inside. But, of course, everybody wants to see Ms. Tuff.
[Costello:] You're not kidding. Martin Savidge, thank you so much. Chief Alexander, your thoughts about this incredible woman.
[Chief Cedric Alexander, Dekalb County Police:] Well, the whole event was incredible. I tell you what, you just don't see that type of interaction in these types of situations very, very often at all. There are some things in life you can rehearse for, but this was a woman who just kept her calm, kept her wits about herself, maintained her composure in this very dangerous situation, if you will. And was able to talk him through the process that he was able to lay his weapon down, lay himself down so that when authorities came through the door, it made it a better opportunity for everyone to be safe.
[Costello:] So, during this long 911 call, 15 minutes, where were the police?
[Alexander:] Well, there was police all over the place. And certainly, we had SWAT teams that had gathered and they already entering the building because in situations like this, what we've learned historically is that we don't wait. We're going to enter that building, that school or wherever it is as soon as we can. We're going to divert that person from whatever their objective or whatever their target may happen to be.
[Costello:] So how far inside the school were police? Were they right outside the office?
[Alexander:] We're all over the building and we had penetrated the building and we were not very far from that office, which we had, certainly we had communication with Ms. Tuff, who had communication with our dispatchers, as well.
[Costello:] You're on the scene and you know this call is taking place and 15 minutes must have seemed to be like hours to you. I just can't even imagine just waiting. But the 911 dispatcher who is on the phone with Ms. Tuff was also communicating with police on the scene telling them what was going on at the time.
[Alexander:] Absolutely. Information was being sent to us as ms. Tuff talked to the 911 operator. She was talking to the dispatcher who was, of course, informing us of everything that was going on inside. So, as we were gathering this information, we were also posturing ourselves to get into that building, put eyes on target and find out where everyone was and certainly where he was.
[Costello:] So if he had opened fire, you were in a position where you could just return fire?
[Alexander:] Absolutely. It didn't get to that point, but had it done so, eyes on target, they would have done what they were trained to do.
[Costello:] Chief Alexander, thank you so much for sharing. We appreciate it. I'm looking forward to meeting Ms. Tuff, myself. She's amazing. Still to come in
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[Unidentified Female:] As of today, my $51,777. I owe, $148,251.69.
[Costello:] Student loans front and center today. The president promising help. Also, a massive sinkhole swallows a swamp. It's all caught on camera. Plus who's to blame for hurricane Katrina? Nearly a third of Louisiana Republicans are pointing the finger at wait for it President Obama. And, 32 days, 18 accusers and one very pitiful fall from office. San Diego Mayor Bob Filner strikes a deal. NEWSROOM is back after a break.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news: an American detained by North Korea for five months is finally on his way home right now. The surprising release fuelling hope for two other Americans still being held in that country. The hospital where the first Ebola patient in the United States died, the hospital is apologizing for how they handled the situation, admitting what they did was wrong. We're going to tell you how they plan on preventing it from ever happening again. And homegrown terror concerns this morning. Three high school girls from Denver intercepted in Germany headed to join ISIS in Syria. So, how are these teens able to get out of the country and why. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm John Berman. Christine Romans is on assignment today. It is Wednesday, October 22nd, 5:00 a.m. in the East. We do have breaking news overnight: an American held by North Korea for five months is on his way home to Ohio right now. Jeffrey Fowle is due to arrive there in an American government plane within the next coming of hours. Now, this is in answer to a plea that Fowle made in an interview with CNN, an interview that really out of nowhere, North Korean officials abruptly arranged last month. Standing by live in Seoul, CNN's Paula Hancocks with the very latest on this surprising development. Good morning, Paula.
[Paula Hancocks, Cnn International Correspondent:] Good morning, John. Well, this was a very sudden and seller unexpected decision by Pyongyang, at least on the surface of it. We did know that the State Department was in discussions indirectly with North Korea, to try and get these three U.S. citizens released. But what many experts were expecting say high level delegation to go to Pyongyang. Like we've seen in the past, the ex-presidents, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, having to travel to Pyongyang to pay lip service and secure the release of a U.S. citizen. That didn't happen, as far as we know, in this occasion. What appears did happen is Pyongyang said, we're going to release Jeffrey Fowle, you have to come and pick him up. So, the Department of Defense sent a plane over to Pyongyang. There was a U.S. plane sitting on the tarmac there which is something very unusual itself. And then took Jeffrey Fowle to Guam where they refueled and where he was evaluated. And the State Department said that he was in good health. But, of course, they do have to take into consideration the fact that he was a North Korean prisoner. So, obviously, there will be a lot of support for him in the future. As you say, he's now almost home to Ohio. So, a wonderful day for the Fowle family. Of course, a bitter day for two other families who will be pleased that Jeffrey Fowle has been released but it will also make them realize, just a reminder, that their loved ones is still in detention. Now, of course, Jeffrey Fowle's crime, according to many experts, may not have been as serious in North Korea's eyes as the other two U.S. citizens currently in detention. He's accused of leaving a Bible in a seaman's club in a northern port city of Chongjin. He hadn't gone to trial yet. The other two, Kenneth Bae and Matthew Miller had both been tried, both been found guilty. And, of course, that could have been a factor as well, the fact that he had been gone to trial. So, it was easier for Pyongyang to be able to release John.
[Berman:] Happy for him and his family, of course, still thinking about the two other Americans still held in captivity in North Korea. Paula Hancocks for us in Seoul thanks so much. We do have Ebola news this morning. Two airline passengers who arrived in the United States are under close watch in Chicago. Officials say they're both Liberians. They arrived on separate planes. Both vomited during their flights and neither had a fever. They and their traveling companions are being isolated and screens in area hospitals. Another Liberia landed at Newark Airport with the fever. The CDC says he was isolated and he's being screened at a local hospital right now. But according to the Department of Homeland Security Web site as of Sunday, Washington Dulles had also referred four people to Atlanta for Ebola screening. The administration announced on Tuesday, that it is tightening the net on these airport screenings. It's ordering all passengers entering the United States from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia to come through one of the five airports doing enhanced Ebola screening. In addition to Chicago and Newark, they are New York's JFK, Washington Dulles and Atlanta. In New York City, thousands of workers at health facilities from doctors to janitors filled a convention center for a demonstration with the latest protocols for preventing Ebola transmission. Wednesday did bring good news for the NBC cameraman who caught Ebola. Ashoka Mukpo tweeted that he's officially been declared Ebola-free. He added, quote, "Feeling so blessed. I'm very happy to be alive." So, all of this news and more awaiting the new administration's Ebola czar, John Klain. Today is his first official day on the job. At the NIH in Maryland, the condition of a Texas nurse who has Ebola has been upgraded from fair to good. Nina Pham cared for Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian patient who died. In Dallas, Texas Governor Rick Perry announced that a new state of the art Ebola treatment and bio containment facility will be built in North Texas. The governor also said that Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital where Pham and another nurse were infected and where Thomas Eric Duncan died. That hospital will no longer treat Ebola patients. Ed Lavandera has more now from Dallas on apologies from Texas health officials.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] John, officials with Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital have been on a campaign apologizing for the way it handled the case of Thomas Eric Duncan. We sat down with the chief clinical officer, Dr. Daniel Varga, to dig deeper into just exactly went wrong. Do you think this is also a case of Ebola had been in the news for the last six months or so, it is a deadly disease, trekked halfway around the world. Was there a sense with the health care workers that it wasn't really anything that was going to show up at our doorstep?
[Dr. Daniel Varga, Chief Clinical Officer, Texas Health Presbyterian:] You know, I think that friend of mine awareness is hard to capture in the absence of real presence. I will tell you, we were worried up front about Ebola. As I think anyone else, we looked, you know, starting in August and moving forward. But in the absence of Ebola showing up in August, Ebola showing up in early September, et cetera, it does become sort of isolated.
[Lavandera:] Let your guard down?
[Varga:] Yes, I think you let your guard down a little bit on that.
[Lavandera:] We asked Dr. Varga where exactly was this breakdown in communication. He said that one of the nurses that treated Thomas Eric Duncan wrote down in his health record that he, quote, "had came from Africa." But at the same time, one of the physicians treating him wrote down that he was a local resident, that was showing no signs of vomiting, diarrhea or nausea, and that he hadn't been around sick persons. Clearly, two very different versions of the story that were never reconciled and led to the misdiagnosis. And Dr. Varga also says that the hospital didn't prepare adequately, that there was never any simulation or training drills that would prepare the health care workers on how to handle an Ebola patient that just walked in off the street and into their emergency room John.
[Berman:] All right. Our thanks to Ed Lavandera in Dallas. New this morning, identifying the biggest threats to U.S. security. The former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matt Olsen, told our chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto that the Khorasan group and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula posed the biggest threats to the United States, but he said that so-called lone wolf attacks, such as the Boston marathon bombings. These types of attacks are more likely.
[Matt Olsen, Former Director Of The National Counterterrorism Center:] I would say the most likely type of attack is one of these homegrown violent extremists, or, you know, lone offenders in the United States perhaps. And the rise of ISIS and the number of people going to Syria, whether to fight with ISIS or just fighting just in the conflict there against Assad the likelihood, I think, does go up because of the number of people who are there who have gained some degree of training and radicalization.
[Berman:] Olsen said that the United States lost track of terrorists after Edward Snowden's NSA leaks. He said Snowden's revelations changed the way that terrorists communicate, causing them to go further underground which makes them more difficult to track. Today marks a national day of protests. Protesters say it's the day of protest to stop police brutality and all eyes will be on Ferguson, Missouri. Organizers are expecting a large number of protesters there. Tensions there are still running high. The grand jury decision on whether or not to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown is expected soon. This morning, the world of journalism, not to mention the fans of accountability, are mourning the loss of a giant. Ben Bradlee, the legendary editor of "The Washington Post" has died. He ran that paper from 1968 to 1991, overseeing the paper's groundbreaking coverage of the Watergate scandal. That reporting led by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, it changed history. It really also changed journalism. Ben Bradlee had been suffering from Alzheimer's disease for several years. He was 93. Such a huge loss. And stay with CNN, because at 7:00 Eastern Time, Woodward and Bernstein reuniting to share memories of Ben Bradlee, their boss, their mentor, their friend. That will be an extraordinary discussion coming up on "NEW DAY". Ten minutes after the hour. Indra Petersons is here with an early start on our forecast.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Good morning. The day today starts with transition. Yesterday
[Berman:] So, just hold on. We have to wait out is your message out there. All right. Indra, thanks so much. That's the weather. Let's get an early start on your money. Alison Kosik is here.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] And I've seen a bit of caution creep in to stock markets around the world right now. European stocks are down, pulling back from earlier gains after some disappointing results. Asian shares ended the day mostly higher. And right now, here in the U.S., stock futures, they're down slightly. But, hey, come on, yesterday, stock, had a really good day. The Dow climbs 215 points or 1.3 percent. The S&P 500 rose 2 percent. And the NASDAQ had its best day of the year, surging 2.4 percent. Gosh, it's been quite the rocky month but yesterday's climb erased a good portion of October's losses and actually put the Dow back in that territory for the year. So, all that whiplash last week, forget about it. The S&P 500 is up about 5 percent so far this year. The NASDAQ up almost 4 percent. But this roller coaster ride, usual for Wall Street, right?
[Berman:] Yes, I know, this is crazy volatility. This is much more than we've seen in a long time. All right. Alison Kosik, thanks so much. Thirteen minutes after the hour. ISIS militants releasing a new video. They say it's American weapons in their hands after a botched air drop. We'll take you live to that region. And homegrown terror: why three American teenagers, girls, fled the United States, trying to join ISIS. That's what's alleged. We'll tell you that story, coming up.

[Baldwin:] And here we go. Welcome back to NEW DAY. Comedian Tracy Morgan is showing some signs of improvement after being severely injured in a deadly highway crash over the weekend. Morgan and two others remain in critical condition. Look at that vehicle here. Another comedian was killed in the crash. And today, the truck driver charged with slamming into this limo is expected in court. CNN's Nischelle Turner joins us with more. Tough look at that limo.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. I have to tell you, though, it was good news from-to-hear from his rep yesterday.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Turner:] Tracy Morgan's rep that he is improving. We're seeing some signs of improvement. That was a very good thing to hear because, yes, look at that, very scary. Thirty-five-year-old Kevin Roper is scheduled to be in court sometime today in New Jersey. He is the man said to be driving the truck that slammed into Tracy Morgan and his friends. Meanwhile, Tracy, Ardie Fuqua and Jeff Millea remain in the hospital. Actorcomedian Tracy Morgan is in critical condition after a deadly car crash on ate New Jersey turnpike over the weekend. Morgan's publicist says the former "30 Rock" star is responsive following Sunday's surgery at Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital in New Brunswick, New Jersey, where he's being treated for broken rib, a broken nose and leg. Around 1:00 a.m. Saturday, Morgan was riding in a limo van after forming at a casino in Delaware. State police say Morgan's vehicle was struck from behind by a Wal-Mart tractor trailer that failed to observe slow-moving traffic. The impact flipped Morgan's vehicle on its side, killing one person and injuring several others.
[Unidentified Male:] All I know I saw traffic and I stopped and I was upside down.
[Turner:] Morgan's friend and fellow comedian James McNair, known as Jimmy Mac died in the crash.
[Unidentified Female:] Devastated, James, I love you.
[Turner:] Police arrested 35-year-old Kevin Roper, a Wal-Mart employee and driver of the tractor trailer, charging him with one count of death by auto and four counts of assault by auto. Wal-Mart's CEO released a statement on the tragedy, saying in part, "We are profoundly sorry that one of our trucks was involved. If it's determined that our truck caused the accident, Wal-Mart will take full responsibility. On Sunday, Tracy Morgan's publicist noted his recovery would be a long one. Now Morgan's rep tells us that he did have surgery on his broken leg. He also broke his nose. He's got broken ribs. He's expected to be in the hospital now for several more weeks. The driver of that limo that night said in an interview that he heard Tracy screaming after the crash, but he couldn't reach him. So you know, along with all of these broken bones, guys, there's going to be a lot of emotional healing that has to be
[Baldwin:] One of his friends died in the crash.
[Cuomo:] Weeks. That suggests more than even just broken bones. That's a long time to be in the hospital.
[Turner:] Yes, several weeks, they said.
[Cuomo:] I'm looking at that van; he's lucky to be alive.
[Pereira:] Exactly. Exactly. Nischelle, thank you.
[Turner:] Sure.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, Malaysia cannot find the answers. Now family members of Flight 370 will try to buy them. A multimillion- dollar fund to figure out the mystery. We're going to talk with one of the family members who started the fund.
[Baldwin:] Plus, in his very first public comments, Secretary of State John Kerry defending the release of those five Taliban prisoners in exchange for Bowe Bergdahl. We have details from an exclusive new interview with us here at CNN.

[Grace:] Live to Long Beach. Stunning news to women all over the country who want to look younger. A facelift therapist performs a so- called "vampire facelift," very popular after Kim Kardashian and fashion models like Bar Refaeli have them. They post photos of them. Did a Long Beach, California facelift therapist perform a deadly beauty treatment that ends with a makeover at the morgue?
[Unidentified Male:] Thirty-six-year-old Hamilet Suarez, the mother of a young son, went into cardiac arrest at this beauty salon in Long Beach and died.
[Unidentified Female:] Sandra Perez Gonzalez is a massage therapist. But according to police, the 45-year-old woman offered her clients cosmetic medical procedures she is not licensed to perform. This is very dangerous. They say she offered lip and butt augmentation, as well as something called a "vampire facelift," a procedure that injects a person`s face with their own blood cells.
[Grace:] We are taking your calls. Out to Beatriz Valenzuela, crime reporter with "Long Beach Press-Telegram." Beatriz, thank you for being with us. So what exactly is a "vampire facelift"?
[Beatriz Valenzuela, "long Beach Press-telegraph":] A vampire facelift is a cosmetic procedure where the patient`s blood is drawn, and it is processed and then reinjected into their face.
[Grace:] OK, let me get this straight, because I`ve seen photos of Kim Kardashian, who`s just absolutely beautiful I`d like to see a beauty shot and the vampire facelift shot. And then there`s Leonardo DiCaprio`s ex, the Israeli model Bar Refaeli just stunning. They`ve posted photos of themselves. When you say you take the person`s blood out and then you process it, what does that mean, you process it?
[Valenzuela:] You know, I don`t know the exact procedure...
[Grace:] Oh, hold on, Beatriz!
[Valenzuela:] ... because I`m not a plastic surgeon.
[Grace:] Beatriz Valenzuela with me. Hold on. I`m just being joined out of Los Angeles by Dr. Paul Nassif, facial plastic and reconstructive surgeon. Doctor, thanks for being with us. What is technically speaking, what is a vampire facelift?
[Dr. Paul Nassif, Facial Plastic And Reconstructive Surgeon:] Hi, Nancy. A vampire facelift is what we do what you were talking about, taking the person`s blood. We spin it in a centrifuge and get all the platelets. The platelets have all kinds of growth factors. And basically, we inject that to stimulate collagen growth. But we also are using fillers at the same time. The fillers will give you the immediate fill on the face, and then the plasma
[Grace:] OK, I think I understood that. You take the blood out, you use the platelets, and then you use that, combined with filler, and you inject that back into the patient because the body is less likely to reject that because it`s the person`s own blood, correct?
[Nassif:] Yes. I mean, they`re two different things. The filler is going to give you the immediate result, like
[Grace:] Got it. With me, Dr. Paul Nassif, facial plastic and reconstructive surgeon, also taking your calls. Now, back to Beatriz Valenzuela with "The Long Beach Press-Telegram." This particular woman, Sandra, Sandra we`re talking about, Sandra Perez Gonzalez Sandra is performing various beauty treatments, and I believe the one that came under fire in this investigation was augmentation, body augmentation. What was she doing, Beatriz, that caused the death of the victim, Hamilet?
[Valenzuela:] Well, what had happened is that the victim was having an augmentation procedure through injection. What body parts she was having augmented, that has not been released yet. And I just spoke to the coroner`s office this morning, and the cause of death has not been released yet, so it`s still a little premature to say that the procedure itself is what caused her Ms. Suarez`s death. But she did go into cardiac arrest either while having the treatment performed or immediately afterward.

[Baldwin:] It was reckless and foolish but loved ones say the prank of one teenager should not have cost him his life. And now there is another controversy involving the shooter claiming self-defense. But, this time the outcry goes beyond American borders. You see Germany here is closing watching this case which centers on the death of this German exchange student by the name of Diren Dede. And our Montana TV affiliates report that the surveillance footage shows the 17-year-old breaking into a garage in Missoula. Dede reportedly was garage hopping. It's this type of dare to steal. Now, an affidavit reads that the garage owner, Markus Kaarma heard noises and then shot four times into the dark garage killing this teenager.
[Kate Walker, Exchange Student's Host Family:] Very angry. I don't it just never should have happened and
[Unidentified Male:] How do you mean angry?
[Walker:] Angry that someone could get shot down in someone's garage. That shouldn't happen.
[Randy Smith, Exchange Student's Host Family:] He's just such a great kid. We just so we requested that we be allowed to he just be allowed to stay with us the whole year, which was not our original intent. But he was just such a fun, wonderful kid.
[Baldwin:] Kaarma, who is the father of a 10-month-old, has a hearing today. He's expected to be arraigned this week. But there's so much more to this story. So let's bring in CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin, on the case with me today. And, Sunny Hostin, a couple of things first. We know that the affidavit shows that the garage owners, they have had issues with break-ins apparently before, left the garage open on purpose, even put a purse there as potential bait. Investigators say it is possible Kaarma may have been high when he pulled the trigger. How does that affect his claims that he was protecting himself and his property?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Yes, you know, I think that's going to be very difficult because the bottom line is, in Montana and in many states, I think all of them really, we have this castle doctrine, which means, when you're in your home, that should be your safe place, your safe haven, right? No one should be able to come in and attack you, your property, your family without you being able to defend yourself. And that's been a tenant of our legal system since the very beginning. This is a bit different. Minnesota's is a bit more extensive because it places the burden on the prosecution to prove that it wasn't self- defense. But also you really can't lay in wait for someone. You can't lay a trap inside your home and then claim self-defense. You can't claim that you're defending yourself and your property. And I think that's what's going to be difficult here because, as you mentioned, there have there is an affidavit that indicates that he told someone that he's tired of rather he told someone that he was waiting to shoot a f-ing kid in his garage. That there have been three weeks of break-ins. That his wife had placed a purse with her personal belongings in the garage, had left the garage door open and even placed a baby monitor in the garage.
[Baldwin:] Wow.
[Hostin:] And that sounds very much to me like a trap, right?
[Baldwin:] So he was sounds like maybe looking for someone. But then, you know, again you have this teenager who was garage hopping, shouldn't have been where he was, looking to steal something potentially. And I know you talk about the castle doctrine but just really simply, what kind of rights would a homeowner have in that situation?
[Hostin:] Yes. I mean, and that's the thing. I think if this ever goes to trial, a jury trial, there it's going to be very difficult because homeowners do have the right to be safe in their persons in their property to be safe when they're in their home. And so I think a jury may feel like, well, this kid was in the garage, on their property, don't they have a right to be fearful? But again, there's that twist here because there's tension because you really can't lay in wait. You can't trap somebody and then shoot them. So I think it's going to be a close call actually when you look at the facts of this case for a jury to find him guilty. And let's face it, I mean, Montana has the country's highest one of the country's highest areas of gun ownership and so there's that as well.
[Baldwin:] Yes. Garage hopping. You ever heard of that?
[Hostin:] I had never heard of it, but
[Baldwin:] Right, me neither. Me neither.
[Hostin:] My kids aren't going garage hopping any time soon.
[Baldwin:] No, no, no.
[Hostin:] I'll teach them about this.
[Baldwin:] Good mom. Sunny Hostin, thank you so much.
[Hostin:] Thanks, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Coming up here, Donald Sterling talking exclusively to CNN about his racist rant. We are also now hearing from his estranged wife as well. That's a whole other layer to this story. She says the divorce petition is signed. She blames his bizarre behavior on dementia. So you will hear from her coming up. Plus this. A boulder stops inches from a church. Was it luck? Was it divine intervention? We will hear from the pastor just ahead here on CNN.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back. We're continuing to follow the dramatic search and rescue for now almost 300 people missing after a ferry sank off South Korea's coast overnight. Four people are now confirmed dead so far and that number is expected to rise. Tragically many of the 459 people that were on board, just look at this video, many of them were high school students. The ship on its side sliding in to the freezing water. Let's bring in former inspector general for the United States Department of Transportation, Mary Schiavo to discuss really what we're seeing unfold before our eyes. I want to go over, I just saw this on Reuters. One passenger described the impact like this to Reuters. It was fine, then the ship went boom and there was a noise of cargo falling. Does that suggest that they hit something under water or that something malfunctioned with the ferry itself?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, it could be either. Another passenger described it as a bump. So if they hit something that would have meant they were out of the channel, which is of course quite easy to do while it's a vast expanse of water. What people don't see when they look at the glassy expanse is underneath there are intricate and detailed channels that are maintained. So if it got out of the channel it could have hit something. It's also very common to have an engine failures, explosions, those kinds of things on the ship particularly in the engine room. And it would have sounded like some kind of a boom or an impact sound. But that probably alone wouldn't account for the sinking this quickly. It probably was something else then happened off and on ferryboats when you have quick sinking or taking on water, the doors through which vehicles can enter the ship sometimes fail. And it's not that the doors are weak per se, it's just that often when you have some kind of an event on a ship, and they turn sideways or they have any kind of damage to the hull. That those doors can then be damaged and can fail. Some of the ferry accidents in the United States have involved that.
[Bolduan:] So some kind of a chain reaction, not just one thing happening, but kind of a catastrophic domino effect because according to the "New York Times" there were some 150 cars on this ferry.
[Schiavo:] Right. And it sounds like it was, of course, very heavily loaded. So if you had any kind of a breach in the hull and it started taking on water, that would also account for the order for them not to get to get the life rafts out or to take time to get in life boats, but to immediately jump ship because if you have some kind of breach where water is coming in quickly the physics of the event are such that you may not be able to get out. Once it starts taking on water there's a sucking, there's a motion that just makes it impossible to fight. So the order to abandon ship might have indicated that that this event was occurring. It's almost like a suction that occurs when the water starts coming on and you can't fight it. It's hard.
[Bolduan:] It's not unusual when you're dealing with such a catastrophic situation, there seems to be still conflicting reports what passengers were told. Told by some passengers they were told to jump in the water, abandon ship and take on their life jacket. I also see reports of some passengers saying that the on board announcement told people to stay put and this passenger believing that the people who stayed are the ones who were trapped.
[Schiavo:] Yes. And there may have been both. The problem with an I don't know anything about this particular ferry company. But if they haven't practiced and they don't know the commands and they aren't coordinated then you get conflicting commands. Some will say put on the life vest and stay put. Some will say, go back to your assigned area, your passage area, wherever you're assigned. And so there can be a lot of confusion in an event like this, particularly if what happened was so catastrophic, you know, for example, say the doors did fail or the hull was breached and it was taking on water quickly. You know, a lot of people instead of following the set rules, lots of different people giving lots of different orders. And that is pretty common when things are happening quickly.
[Bolduan:] It does definitely suggest that things happened very quickly, Mary. We're looking at some of the video that was coming in and you see some of the life rafts still on deck in the early moments before the ship had really completely submerged under water. So many questions, Mary. Stick with us. We will check back in with you as we get new details coming out as the search and rescue urgently continues right now Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, let's take a quick break here on NEW DAY, when we come back a silent killer on the move in West Africa. The Ebola outbreak hitting the city of Guinea, a city of 2 million. Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta is there.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news this morning, a massive search happening for missing AirAsia Flight 8501. It disappeared midflight with 162 people on board. What went wrong? What's being done to find it? We are bringing live team coverage, breaking down the latest on this very big story this morning. Good morning. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] I'm John Berman. Thirty minutes past the hour. We want to welcome all of our viewers here in the United States and around the world. New information this morning on the search for AirAsia Flight 8501. It vanished Sunday on route from Indonesia to Singapore, with 162 people onboard. Indonesian officials this morning not offering families much hope. Those leading the search and rescue efforts say they suspect that the jet is at the bottom of the sea. But Indonesia's vice president just told us it remains a search and rescue operation. That happened a few minutes ago right here on EARLY START. Still a search and rescue operations. Ships, planes, helicopters have been combing the waters. But so far, no concrete sign of the plane or any confirmed sighting of any wreckage. Still not known if bad weather was a factor, but the pilot had requested a higher altitude to avoid storm clouds before the plane disappeared from radar. CNN's Andrew Stevens will begin our coverage live in Surabaya, Indonesia. And, Andrew, it was you who just a few minutes ago spoke to the vice president of Indonesia for very latest on this search operation.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, John. Good morning to you. But I must admit I asked him about what he was telling the families of the passengers here. He said basically we're doing everything we can to try to find this plane and to keep praying. So, they are not expecting a good outcome here. I think we have to be honest here. And he actually said, Jusuf Kalla, the vice president, said that after 40 hours, or about 32, 33 hours into this now, after 40 hours, the chances of finding any survivors has got to be very, very small. I also asked him, John, because there have been unconfirmed reports of objects of interest spotted by an Australian plane, air force plane. Listen to what he had to say.
[Stevens:] There have been reports of objects floating in the search zone. Can you tell me, are they in do you know if they are linked at all to the missing plane?
[Jusuf Kalla, Vice President Of Indonesia:] Yes. Until now, not yet any object. Some reports from Australia. Now, we're clarifying. It's not yet clear that the object from the plane or not.
[Stevens:] Yes. So, not yet clear, John, whether these objects are actually linked to Flight 8501. Remember, of course, after 370 disappeared, there were a lot of sightings of objects in the water, oil slicks which were misleading on that one. Not a lot into this sighting so far, John.
[Berman:] Just looking at the map, Andrew, though, this is a vastly different situation than 370. That, of course, you know, deep in the ocean, thousands of miles from the Australian coast. This is in a well-travelled area. Planes frequently flying overhead, shipping lanes, major cities relatively nearby. Do they suspect or do they hope that fairly soon, they could see some signs of concrete evidence?
[Stevens:] They are cautious about what they are expecting and as you put it there, John, this is a much more heavily traveled area, both on the surface of the sea and also over air as well. There has to be just a lot better chance of finding this plane if it is where it is thought to be. If they are judging the search on the last known coordinates when it made that radio message about requesting a different flight plan to avoid bad weather, they are extrapolating from there to pinpoint where the search area would be. It is in shallow water. The problem for the Indonesians, they don't have the sophisticated equipment that is need really to find this wreckage quickly. So, they're going to need help there. The Australians and Singaporeans and Malaysians already sent vessels and aircrafts to the search zone, about 30 ships, 15 aircraft now searching this area. We've got two or three hours of daylight before they have to call off the air search. The ships can stay on station using spotlights and using sonar. But they do need more sophisticated equipment. That will likely be the next step to bring that in. Compared with MH370, as you say, 1,000 miles offshore in depth of ocean four to five miles, extraordinary deep ocean. A lot of it completely uncharted. As I said at a time, they knew more about the surface of the moon than the undersea of the Indian Ocean. So, here, a lot more is known about it. They do have a fairly wide area, but area of interest nonetheless. And they have a lot of vessels here. So, you would have to assume that they would find at least something in the next two or three days. A lot of obviously would depend on the weather conditions. They cleared today. So, hopefully, they will stay good for the next few days.
[Berman:] Although we are running out of light today there. So, that search no doubt will be suspended fairly soon. Andrew Stevens for us in Surabaya, thanks so much.
[Romans:] Running out of light. And it has been more than 30 hours now since the last contact with that flight, AirAsia Flight 8501. More ships and planes and helicopters are joining the search. CNN's Paula Hancocks joins us live from the staging area in Indonesia. She joins us on the telephone. Paula, describe to us what's happening there.
[Paula Hancocks, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Christine, it is quiet now. It is certainly circling down for the night. Obviously there is only a bit of light left. We understand that there won't be more helicopters coming in here. But we have seen them coming in throughout the day. They have been refueling after searching over the area. Now, they have been having a quick briefing to find out where they should go next and then going off. We're seeing planes coming here as well. Now, I spoke to the man in charge of the search and rescue operation at this airport. He effectively said they are looking at the area of 240 by 240 nautical miles. So, a very significant area still. And he also said to me that they haven't narrowed down the area yet. They are looking within that area, systematically. They are still looking at that whole area. They haven't managed to hone in on one particular area because he said simply they don't have the data, as soon as they do have the data available, then, they'll be able to have a more specific search. Now, of course, the concern for the next few days is the weather. It has held pretty well today, but we understand that the next few days, according to officials, it will deteriorate. There will be rain, which is a problem for visibility for many of these airplanes and helicopters that fly quite low. And we understand that there will be significant cloud cover which could hamper the search and rescue operation Christine.
[Romans:] So many challenges and so many questions. Paula Hancocks for us this morning in Indonesia thank you, Paula.
[Berman:] So, what was the weather when the plane lost contact with the ground? CNN meteorologist Pedram Javaheri takes a look at the weather search and rescue that the search and rescue teams are up against.
[Pedram Javaheri, Ams Meteorologist:] Good morning, guys. Yes, the weather across portions of the Java Sea at this moment finally improving. You know, we have not seen conditions this clear and quite sometime. In fact, posit for you, there are storms in the area at the last known point with the aircraft. But to the north, generally partly cloudy. To the south, similar story. But when you talk about an area in the wet season, December being typically the wettest time of year, you know storms are blossoming in the next couple days. And a little bit of time stamp. Take you through Tuesday, eventually into Wednesday, and storms develop again toward the last point known of contact region. And that is where we think more strong storms, more gusty winds and also reduced visibility is something to be worth noting in the next couple of days. Good news is when you take a look at the sea surface temperatures at Java Sea, among the warmest on our planet, right around 82 degrees or so Fahrenheit. So, survival in these waters would be a possibility, but, of course, the longer time passes, the more unlikely scenario that becomes. We'll send it back to you.
[Romans:] All right. Pedram, thank you so much for that. I want to talk more about the search for AirAsia Flight 8501 and just what might have happened to it. Joining us now, former pilot and aviation consultant Alastair Rosenschein. Thank you so much for joining us again. I know you have flown this particular route, Alastair. Can you tell us what the pilot has been facing? We know monsoon from October to April. I think there can be really dangerous weather in the region. Can you describe to us what can happen there and what it looks like in really rough weather?
[Alistair Rosensheim, Former Pilot And Aviation Consultant:] Yes, good morning, Christine and John. Yes. Well, this particular area and there are other areas like this one around the world, you can get these build up from the storms. They are worst mid to late afternoon, but because of the hot sea conditions, they consist during the night as well. They build up to the major storm cells, can build up to 55,000 or 60,000 feet. It gives you some idea of the extent of these clouds. The vertical winds in the clouds are quite violent. They can reach speeds of over 100 miles an hour vertically. So, when the aircraft is traveling horizontal through this, you get buckling. There is icing, hail, heavy water. In fact, there have been occasions that these clouds have extinguished the engines. They are effectively jet engines. They're just burning fuel in an air flow. If you get a lot of water in them, the engines can cut out. The normally, you can pick your way around these thunderstorms and have a fairly smooth ride. If the storms are very close together, then the ride can be rougher because you are getting closer to the storms. Sometimes these cells, the individual thunderstorm cells can actually merge. That does cause major problems for the pilots and crew because there is no easy way through it. In those occasions, you are warning the crew to strap in themselves and the passengers to put away the bar trolleys so nothing is flying in the aircraft. And you grin and bear it. Using the radar to pick your way through the lightest return to indicate the smoothest ride.
[Berman:] Alastair, an aviation analyst speaking to CNN earlier today was talking about the screen image from an unconfirmed aircraft control screen, that indicates that maybe this plane was flying too slowly as it was approaching a higher altitude at 36,000 feet, maybe going 100 kilometers too slow per hour. What might that do to an aircraft and what would cause a plane or pilot to not have the plane be going fast enough?
[Rosenschein:] Well, when an aircraft climbs, it trades some of the air speed for the climb. You know, this is a sophisticated aircraft. They would be flying at the correct speed for the climb. It would be using the auto flight system, auto pilot. The problem is, as you climb higher, you are margin for error is reduced. There is less put it another way, you can only fly a little bit slower when you reach the point of which the aircraft might stall. Now, if the wing loading is increased through turbulence or vertical winds you fly through in these thunderstorms, then that can actually increase your stalling speed. Now, in lay terms, that means the aircraft can stall actually at higher speed if there is this increased wind loading. And this is a problem flying through the area of turbulence through the thunderstorms. It is a judgment tack by the pilot. Do you go up high to go over top of the weather with the reduced margin of error? Or do you stay your altitude or even descend and go through the bad weather as low altitude where the aircraft can withstand bigger fluctuation in speed without actually becoming uncontrollable. And having spent 30 years flying myself, I tried both methods on numerous occasions, it is very uncomfortable descending a little bit, it does give you the reassurance the aircraft will remain pliable as the speed fluctuates to the heavy turbulence.
[Romans:] Certainly, with no mayday call, you have to wonder if the pilots were struggling to control the aircraft and try to talk to air traffic control and figure out, as Alistair saying, what is the best way to kick their way through that crisis. Thank you so much, Alastair Rosenschein. AirAsia shares, meanwhile, are getting hammered this morning. I think there's no surprise there. They're down 8 percent right now. The biggest one day drop for the stock of the company that flies the plane. Malaysia Airlines stock took a similar plunge after Fight 370 disappeared, you recall. Eventually, the stock was taken off the stock market as part of the government plan. AirAsia, different company, in a better financial position than Malaysia Airlines was, the stock is still up more than 20 percent this year. It is regularly voted the best low cost air carrier. AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes has been reaching to the public through social media since the jet disappeared. He called this his worst nightmare. This morning, he tweeted this, "Keeping positive and staying strong. My heart bleeds for all the relatives of my crew and our passengers." You just think about how these low cost Asian carriers have really transformed the landscape for millions of people over the past 20 years. Very quickly, the $100 million aircraft can transform your economy and that's something you've really seen.
[Berman:] It's also interesting to hear from Tony Fernandes. A different level of engagement right now than we saw nine months ago, perhaps a lot of lessons learned from Flight 370.
[Romans:] It's really sad to having to make the comparisons. OK. We're going to continue to follow the very latest on this missing flight, AirAsia Flight 8501. But, first, happening right now this a ferry on fire with hundreds on board. A painstaking slow rescue already turning deadly. We are live as survivors make their way to safety. That's next.

[Harlow:] ATF investigators have now released pictures of arson suspects wanted for burning five Baltimore stores, a restaurant, and an apartment complex. Take a look. These fires happened last month during the unrest over the death of Freddie Gray in police custody. The posters the ATF has put out show pretty clear images of these individuals allegedly setting fires. Authorities are looking into the case and cause and origin of each fire. Investigators say they believe as many as five incendiary devices were used. CNN national correspondent Suzanne Malveaux is following this from Washington for more. So Suzanne, they're offering this $10,000 reward to anyone with leads to arrest these people.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] That's right, Poppy. They're actually asking the public for their assistance. This is coming from the Baltimore arson's bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives, the ATF, the Baltimore police department, fire department, and the marshals as well. And you'll see those screen shots that they have of the individuals. They believe that they set these fires, it happened April 27th. And I want to show you here, these are some of the locations they're talking about. And these are some of the locations that we were actually there when we saw this happening. There was a CVS on the corner of Pennsylvania Avenue. Another CVS on Franklin Street. A Rite-Aid pharmacy, a palace pizza place, a senior citizens home, apartments, all kinds of different places that they have actually listed. And they are asking for anybody who recognizes these individuals who sees these posters to actually call the police department, call ATF, and there's a possible reward here, up to $10,000.
[Harlow:] Do we know if they've gotten any leads leading up to this? Because it seems like they really haven't, the fact they have to put up these posters and offer a $10,000 reward. Seems like people aren't talking.
[Malveaux:] Well, you know, I mean, being in the community and talking to people there, there was a lot of fear. There was a lot of confusion. You know, some people might be giving some information. But you can tell, I mean, they have very specific addresses. They have the number of people. They believe that they have these individuals who they've caught on these tapes that can be identified in the community if people were to come forward. They believe that they will get some information because that's why they're putting this out there now. But it has been at least a month. It's been a frustrating experience. A lot of people in the community, Poppy, they felt very angry and upset that their own CVS, that the senior citizens home was burned. And so there are people in that community who want these people caught as well and want to turn and change things around in their own communities. So I do think they're going to get some information as well.
[Harlow:] All right. Suzanne Malveaux, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Coming up next, we're going to switch gears, talk about David Letterman, the man of the night last night. That is for sure. He signed off for the last time. The ratings were through the roof. All the celebrities turned out. Now we're going to look back at some of his funniest moments with the teacher behind the kid scientist segment. You know that one well. We'll talk to him and our Brian Stelter live next.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] Good thing for the president this guy was there on his day off. I'm Jake Tapper. This is THE LEAD. The national lead. Come right on in, the Secret Service grilled all day on Capitol Hill. And now we're learning new details about the man who got deep into the White House. And it took an off-duty agent to stop him. The world lead.
[Unidentified Male:] It will be even safer if we have millions of people on the streets. I don't think they can shoot that many people.
[Tapper:] The Chinese cannot shoot that many people, he says, but today could be the tipping point, a day off from work in Hong Kong and thousands, maybe a million waiting to have their voices heard by the communists in China who decided to crack down on their rights. Also in national news, he said he hated white people. He spoke in Arabic new information on what motivated a man to allegedly commit a beheading on U.S. soil. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. We begin with the national lead and one of the most distressing stories we have heard yet about the U.S. Secret Service amidst years' worth of avalanches of horrific stories about the beleaguered agency tasked with keeping our nation's leaders alive and safe amid a seemingly nonstop slew of threats. The head of that agency was grilled on Capitol Hill today about the most recent security failure in which a man known by law enforcement to have been disturbed somehow with a knife actually got deep into the White House.
[Rep. Elijah Cummings , Maryland:] I hate to even imagine what could have happened if Gonzalez had been carrying a gun, instead of a knife when he burst inside the White House.
[Rep. Stephen Lynch , Massachusetts:] This is the Secret Service against one individual with mental illness, and you lost.
[Rep. Darrell Issa , California:] How much would it cost to lock the front door of the White House?
[Tapper:] Just hours ago, we heard lawmaker after lawmaker say that the suspect got even deeper into the White House than the Secret Service first admitted, not only hopping the fence, not only running across the lawn, not only opening and walking through the front door of the White House, which was astoundingly unlocked, but this man pushed aside a Secret Service agent and walked past the stairs to the first family's residence, and then got into the famous White House East Room, a room that the president and you probably know well. It's where the president often speaks to the nation to tell us, for example, that Osama bin Laden has been killed. This news is at the very least chilling information about security breaches in the most important residence in the world at a time of peril and threats to the nation. It's a job that can zero room for error, the consequences far too tragic and too public to risk. The life of the leader of the free world rests in their hands. The United States Secret Service, of course, has innumerable quiet daily successes to its name, but after a series of high-profile fiascoes, the service meant to be, well, secret is now in the national spotlight and not for the first time.
[Issa:] The American people want to know, is the president safe?
[Tapper:] Today, Secret Service Director Julia Pierson answered for the latest shocking security failures.
[Julia Pierson, Director, Secret Service:] It's clear that our security plan was not properly executed.
[Tapper:] Most recently on September 19, when an Iraq war veteran with a knife in his pocket hopped a fence and ran unimpeded through the front door of the White House getting as far as the East Room, bypassing five rings of security.
[Lynch:] I wish to God you protected the White House like you are protecting your reputation here today.
[Tapper:] The safety of the president and his family has been the charge of the Secret Service since 1902. Before then, the Secret Service was tasked with catching counterfeiters for the Treasury. Now, after more than 100 years on the job, those protected without incident are numerous, but our memories hold only the most extreme, Reagan shot in the lung in 1981, Ford caught in a would-be shooter's crosshairs in 1975, and, most searingly, Kennedy killed in 1963. There are other incidents, though. During the Nixon administration, an angry Army private successfully landed a stolen helicopter on the South Lawn. The list of presidents targeted by assassination plots and attempts illustrates just how omnipresent the threat is, Taft, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and, of course, Obama. Pierson was asked about these bullet holes that went undiscovered by the Secret Service until four days after they were fired by a gun into the White House in 2011. And of course the Secret Service is embattled because of the 2012 incident when a dozen agents were punished after a night of debauchery in this Cartagena hotel, prostitutes and heavy drinking on the list of transgressions.
[Pierson:] We're humans and people make mistakes.
[Tapper:] But, of course, it's a job with little room for mistakes. Joining us now is the chairman of the committee that held today's hearing, Republican Congressman Darrell Issa. Congressman, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate it. So, look, this is a mess. We have the incident with this guy getting into the East Room, the Cartagena incident, the Salahis, not seeing the bullets that were fired. What's the problem?
[Issa:] This is an agency that has a very large budget, thousands of employees, plenty of time and money for training, but appears to have low morale, questionable training actually being done. And an example is, the officer that was supposed to lock the front door thought she had locked the front door, but in fact she was not trained in how to lock an old-fashion door that had little pegs at the top and the bottom. Since that time, for a couple thousand dollars, they put an electric lock on so that won't happen again. But this is a 150-year-old-plus building. This is an example where a couple thousand dollars of prevention would have stopped this to begin with.
[Tapper:] Is the problem, do you think, the leadership? The president said that he still has confidence in the director, Julia Pierson. You said you do not have confidence in her. Do you think she should resign?
[Issa:] Today, Mr. Cummings and I, I think, failed to see the energy level and the real commitment and sharp answers that we had hoped for from the director. Both my ranking member, Mr. Cummings and I, are going to be preparing a letter asking for an outside oversight panel, nonpartisan, to really look at the series of events that in a way would look to reform with or without the director at the Secret Service, because it's clear that just saying we can do better or it was just human error doesn't get it anymore.
[Tapper:] So you're not calling for her resignation, at least not at this point?
[Issa:] That's really a decision for the secretary and the president. The oversight role and the reform role for us is to make sure that the tools are available, the information is available both to Congress and to the president. But the president has not been well-served by the Secret Service, in my opinion, during his entire presidency. These mistakes, each and every one of them, should not happen in an agency with a $1.5 billion budget.
[Tapper:] Let's talk about their tactics for a second. I want to play this clip from your fellow Republican, Congressman Jason Chaffetz, advocating for the use of deadly force on intruders.
[Rep. Jason Chaffetz , Utah:] We want to see overwhelming force. If a would-be intruder can't be stopped by a dog or intercepted by a person, perhaps more lethal force is necessary. And I want those Secret Service agents and officers to know at least this member of Congress has their back. Don't let somebody get close to the president. Don't let somebody get close to his family. Don't let them get in the White House ever. And if they have to take action that is lethal, I will have their back.
[Tapper:] Now, look, obviously if the Secret Service had fired and killed this man, there would be an outcry and people saying that they used excessive force, et cetera. But given the world we're in, do you think that that should be the norm, that deadly force on intruders who hop the fence and run to the White House should be standard operating procedure?
[Issa:] If the procedures that were in place had been followed, the dog had been released, individuals had gotten to him in time, this wouldn't have been necessary. If the door had been locked, they would have trapped him at the door. Failing those points, the question of should you shoot somebody as they enter the White House, the director said they have the authority to do it. It's a judgment call. But I think the important issue here is, they do have the tools, famously, sniper tools, and so on, if there's a real attack on the White House. And I think that's what Subcommittee Chairman Chaffetz was talking about is, if there's an attack, you should be able to. But I think what should concern us here is, if it wasn't for off-duty in addition to the Secret Service agent who was at the door, they wouldn't even have tackled him until far later. And, ultimately, he got all the way to the East Room, dragging Secret Service agent behind him, one who had a gun and a baton and who thought she had locked the door. That series of mistakes and lack of capability should concern us.
[Tapper:] What's the most important fact you heard today, either from the public session or the closed-door session that we did not hear?
[Issa:] I think what the American people heard that really astounded them was that a quote "ceremonial door" with a bulletproof glass overshield was not designed to be quickly locked. And the agent at the door, the officer at the door was unable to properly lock it, which would have prevented this. That is perhaps the most egregious error. Somebody running to the fence from the fence, whether you could catch them in time is different than, you knew somebody was coming, you could have locked the door. Today, that's been corrected. And as we correct these kinds of errors, in 2011, those shots fired, there are technologies that would allow you to differentiate between a shot fired and a backfiring of a vehicle.
[Tapper:] Yes.
[Issa:] There's technology to show you where it was fired from and where it went to. Those technologies have to be employed around the White House. But, Jake, here's the concern that Mr. Chaffetz said and Mr. Cummings and I all share. The White House is the easiest-to-secure place that the president ever goes.
[Tapper:] Right.
[Issa:] The hard-to-secure place is somebody's home while he's doing a finance or a campaign event or while he's traveling, if you remember President Reagan being shot at the Hilton. These are tougher locations. So, we need a force that is well- trained, that is rehearsed and that is motivated. And that's part of what we want to review to look at, is the morale, training and discipline of this force to make sure it's at its best.
[Tapper:] Congressman Darrell Issa of California, thank you so much. Appreciate it, sir.
[Issa:] Thank you, Jake.
[Tapper:] In other national news, it's more than likely he will face the death penalty, the man accused of beheading a co-worker charged today with first-degree murder, as the district attorney reveals new details on the investigation, including the suspect's statement that he hated white people. That's coming up next.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] The news here this morning involves what's going on with this investigation, or the lack thereof. But also violence, fighting has broken out again in the nearby city of Donetsk. We have reports of heavy artillery fire, shelling going on, there is active fighting at the airport. Ukraine has put out reports that it is trying to retake checkpoints around the city. We know there are casualties. We don't know how many fires have broken out. There is a lot of signs of explosion. The local militia here have left, which is probably a sign of retreating to the source of that violence. So, we will take you through that. Back here, though, so in the middle of all of this fighting you have MH17, it literally crashed in the middle of a battle zone a place scarred by violence and now stained with the blood of 298 victims, who had nothing to do with this conflict. A scene so raw and so unmanaged that the first instinct when we came here was to say a prayer for the victims and that there would be some dignity afforded to them at some point before we even started reporting. There is a lot to tell you about and show you. But let me get you back to New York for what else is going on Kate, John.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Absolutely, Chris. We're getting back to you on the ground in Ukraine in just a moment. We're also gong to be talking about the other big story that we're following out of Israel. Wolf Blitzer is on the ground in Jerusalem. He spoke with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the escalating violence. He's going to have that interview in just a few minutes. But, first, of course, the political tensions are rising over the attack on Flight 17.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] The Russian President Vladimir Putin pushing back against criticism that he supports the armed rebels accused of shooting down that jet. He is now accusing Western nations of exploiting the tragedy. But the U.S. says there is growing proof the Russians trained and equipped the rebels who allegedly shot down that plane. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, John, thank you very much. There is no question that there is a big raging debate about who did this and mounting evidence. Later on, we'll have an interview with the self-appointed prime minister here, the man who would be in charge of those who may have shot down this plane and he has very defiant answers to the hard questions that we will put to him. But, again, the main story is about the dignity of the victims. And when the militia just left because of the re-starting of the fighting, people just walked right in to the zone, whether they're media or locals, they're all around this crime scene, who knows about the chain of custody of what's needed in here. The dignity of the dead left for days in the hot sun here. Who knows what answers are being lost by the minute. A show of force by those controlling MH17's crash site, the devastation seen here surrounded by hostility as those in control are the very people suspected of shooting the plane down over Eastern Ukraine. Startling satellite photos show acres of ground scorched by the explosion at the point of impact. On the ground we're told hundreds of bodies removed at the hands of government emergency workers along with a group of coal miners, inexperienced but allowed in by pro-Russian rebels. The remains of more than 250 loaded into two refrigerated trains. The Ukrainian government negotiating with militants for the bodies to be transported with no information about when they will be identified or where they'll end up. The scene here exposed, fuelling international concerns of tampered evidence. [on camera]: You can tell that this piece hit, rolled and then was moved. That's going to be a really big distinction for investigators. [voice-over]: Russian President Vladimir Putin insisted a team of international experts conduct work on the site to ensure security. Rebel leaders claim to have the plane's cockpit voice and data recorders, which may hold critical information about MH17's last moments. In audio intercepts released by the Ukrainian government, the alleged commander says Moscow is very interested in the black boxes and urges his subordinate to find them. CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of that audio. Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence points to the mounting evidence of Russia's involvement, including evidence that pro-Russian rebels secretly moved a heavy arsenal of weapons into place days before the crash.
[John Kerry, U.s. Secretary Of State:] We have a video showing a launcher moving back through a particular area there out into Russia with a missing at least one missing missile on it. So, we have enormous sort of input about this which points fingers.
[Cuomo:] This is that video posted by Ukraine's interior ministry of a BUK missile launcher heading back into Russia, suggesting it conducted a launch according to the U.S. embassy in Kiev. I spoke with the rebel prime minister about those accusations. [on camera]: The belief of western community and of Ukraine is that a Russian missile brought down this plane and there is suspicion it had something to do with fighters from your region. What do you want to say to people who believe that?
[Alexander Borodai, Donetsk People's Republic Prime Minister:] I don't know what to say because the world community doesn't want to hear it. We had no reason to take down this plane and Ukraine had this reason to destroy our government.
[Cuomo:] We had a lot more questions for this self-appointed prime minister, we'll play you that portion of the interview later in the show. Right now, let's bring in Fareed Zakaria. Fareed, obviously, you're well aware of what is going on with the politics and the violence in this country right now. As you heard us report, it is renewed. There are reports of civilian casualties as Ukraine says it's trying to take back checkpoints on the outside of Donetsk. Curious timing for them, don't you think, in the middle of trying to deal with MH17 and what has to be an embarrassment for them as well, they're not in control here, shelling resumes, civilian casualties going on. What do you think the strategy is there?
[Fareed Zakaria, Cnn Host, "fareed Zakaria Gps":] Chris, your reporting on this is fascinating. We didn't have real knowledge of that until now. What it could suggest is that the government of Ukraine, the government in Kiev, has begun an offensive to try to take control of this part of Ukraine as you keep pointing out, people need to understand. This part of Ukraine is not under the control of the government in Kiev. It is under the control of the pro-Russian separatists. One of the things that Kiev government has kept insisting on is that they need to get control of their own country. They may have seen this as an opportune moment because the rebels are on the defensive, they understand that the world is watching them and perhaps most importantly their patron, Vladimir Putin, is on the defensive. So, this would not be a moment where you would imagine Russia would be sending in advisers, streaming across the border at night, sending in heavy equipment, heavy machinery. So, it may well be that the Ukrainian government decided this is the moment to act, and as you say, these thugs have fled the crime scene, which suggests that they're going to reinforce their comrades in Donetsk itself.
[Cuomo:] Only problem with them fleeing, while it is good for us, is that now anybody can traipse through this crime scene again. It's been an ongoing problem. Two questions for you, Fareed, is that, one, if Russia is so in control, why would Russia why would Vladimir Putin allow this shameful act to go on that's behind me right now and the indignity of all of these bodies? And the other question is, a lot of talk from the Western world about now is the time, now we must press, nobody is here, Fareed. There are no representatives from the Western world except the OSCE, which is an international monitoring group. Nobody is on the ground. Where is everybody if they care so much?
[Zakaria:] Well, great questions. On the second one, as you know, the problem is the place is dangerous as you have been pointing out. It has been very dangerous until really a few hours ago and my guess is people are trying to figure out exactly when they can go without creating an incident or some kind of violence. But to your broader question, I think it is very important for us to try to figure out what is going on in answer to your question, why did Putin let this happen. This strikes me as a special op gone awry. If you think of Crimea, Putin seemed like a genius because what he did was got he these special operations forces without uniforms, with no discernible trace to Russia to wrest Crimea away from Ukraine in an exit. And he can then say I don't know what you're talking about, I had nothing to do with this, we had nothing to do with this, these were locals. Well, that looked great. Here you see the dark side to that those kind of KGB operations. You're using rogues, mercenaries, thugs, you're using people with limited training and my guess is what happened is this operation went awry, the Russians may not have, you know, had as much control and direction over it, though they clearly trained these forces, and now, everyone is scrambling and perhaps these locals are not listening to their Russian handlers or masters as carefully as we think. But it's a predictable consequence of trying to do this kind of special ops foreign policy where your goal is to produce chaos on the cheap.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] So, what's the game now for the Russian president Vladimir Putin? Does he have the guts? Because I think that's what it might take to stand up and say, yes, these were the pro-Russian separatists there. Can he do that?
[Zakaria:] I don't think he can. He's locked himself into a corner. If you watch Russian TV and I've done it a little bit of it with people who can help guide me through the language, they're in an alternate universe. The Russians are hearing a story about how the Ukrainian military is responsible because this happened in Ukraine, omitting the fact that the part of Ukraine it happened in is not controlled by the Ukrainian military. They are hearing the Ukrainian military was trying to assassinate Vladimir Putin, trying to shoot his plane and missed and hit the civilian jetliner. So, that's the context in which that those statements that Putin made have to be considered. He is defending Russia against the evil west, defending Russia against this evil Ukrainian government.
[Bolduan:] We often talked about, throughout this Ukrainian crisis, how you often said he is maintained plausible deniability in all of the machinations of Russian involvement in Ukraine. At this point, you say he's kind of back into a corner. Then, he's got two options double down in the path he's been taking or turn the corner and help. Which one is going to choose? And how does the U.S. influence that at all at this point?
[Zakaria:] I don't think there is any evidence he's turning around, because look, domestically, he remains very popular. And as I've said, they've created this alternative narrative of Russian nationalism, which is
[Bolduan:] Not really based on reality.
[Zakaria:] No, it's not based in reality. But very few I mean, you would be surprised, Russia is a big country, television is the only method that connects the country together. So there are newspapers in Russia that are saying different things, but not on TV since it is all state controlled. I think that what the West has to do, what President Obama has to do is seize the opportunity and there are two things. The first is, push for the Ukrainian government to be able to take control of its own country. You know, that doesn't solve every problem in the short- term, but it is in the long run, you cannot have a government that is not in control of its own territory.
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Zakaria:] And the second is to get the Europeans to go along with stiffer sanctions. They're meeting in the next couple of days, that is on the table. You know, I've had a few meetings with people like Chancellor Merkel and other leaders where it's clear to me, they're not where the United States is, they are more reluctant, they're more dependent on Russia for energy, but they understand that this kind of behavior in the 21st century has to have some consequences.
[Bolduan:] If this doesn't change minds of the leaders of Western Europe, what is? I mean, if you got 298 innocent people who have been killed, and you've got fingers pointing, you know, really directly to Russia at this point, what's going to change it? I don't know what.
[Zakaria:] Think about the point Chris is making about the dignity of the dead and so many of them coming from this one small proud country, you know. I haven't done the math, but if you were to have 190 people in a small country like the Netherlands, I think it's 7 million or 8 million people, you know, multiply that many, many fold to get a sense of how many Americans would die.
[Bolduan:] Exactly right. Fareed, stay with us. Wolf Blitzer, he is he is in Israel for us. He's got he spoke sat down with the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a lot of questions on that crisis as well Wolf.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor, The Situation Room:] Kate, thanks very much. In the Middle East, the war and I call it a war, because it really is a war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. The Israelis clearly seem to be expanding its offensive inside the Gaza Strip. Sunday was by far the deadliest day of the conflict. And despite the death of innocent Palestinians, the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu is adamant. He's strongly defending Israel's military operation.
[Blitzer:] Some of your Cabinet members think that the only way to do that is to reoccupy Gaza, which you evacuated and gave it up back in 2005. Do you support reoccupying Gaza?
[Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister:] Well, I support taking whatever action is necessary to stop this insane situation. Just imagine. I mean, imagine what Israel is going through. Imagine that 75 percent of the U.S. population is under rocket fire, and they have to be in bomb shelters within 60 to 90 seconds. So, I'm not just talking about New York. New York, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco, Miami, you name it. That's impossible, you can't live like that. So I think we have to bring back, restore reasonable, sustained quiet and security, and we'll take whatever action is necessary to achieve that.
[Blitzer:] But that includes possibly reoccupying Gaza? Because a lot of your military planners are afraid of what they would call a quagmire, a dangerous quagmire.
[Netanyahu:] Nobody wants to go to excessive military lengths, but what is happening here is excessive. They're not only targeting our cities, they're deliberately firing thousands of rockets. They've already fired 2,000 rockets on our cities in the past few days on our cities. You can imagine this. It's not only that, and they've wanted to kill as many of our 6 million Israelis who are targeted as they could. They haven't succeeded, not for lack of trying. It's because we've developed with American help, and I appreciate the help that President Obama and the U.S. Congress have given us to develop these Iron Dome fantastic systems, but some of the missiles perforate, and they hit our schools. So, we have to stop that. But in addition to the rockets, they've got now terror tunnels that they build in Palestinian homes in Gaza, they penetrate underground into Israeli territory, terrorists pop up there, try to murder civilians, kidnap Israelis, as they did with Gilad Shalit, and we'll continue the action as long as it's necessary.
[Blitzer:] As we speak now, the Secretary of State John Kerry is on his way to Cairo, should be landing in a few hours. We we'll see if he can make some progress toward achieving a cease-fire. Kate, back to you.
[Bolduan:] All right. Wolf, thanks so much. That was an important moment to be speaking with the prime minister himself. Thank you so much for bringing that to us. Let's look at more of your headlines. Let's get it from Michaela.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Yes, let's do. We'll get back to both stories in a moment. But here are those local headlines, here are states side at least. Cooler temperatures today could help fire crews that are battling 21 uncontrolled wildfires in Washington state and in Oregon. Nearly a million acres have already burned, at least 150 homes have been destroyed. We're told one person died, trying to save his home. Officials tell us some 35 hot shot crews are battling the flames. They hope for better weather to help with that. There's obviously a concern about air quality there as well. Another violent weekend in Chicago. At least 40 people shot, four of them fatally. One of those killed, an 11-year-old girl attending a slumber party. More than half of the shootings happened between Friday evening and early Saturday morning. Texas Governor Rick Perry is expected to announce today he's deploying a thousand National Guard troops to help with border protection. There has been an influx, massive influx of Central American immigrants crossing over from Mexico. Speaking in Iowa Sunday, Governor Perry says if President Obama cannot act fast enough to secure the border, he will. Sixteen minutes past the hour. Those are your headlines.
[Bolduan:] All right, Michaela.
[Berman:] Thanks so much. Next up for us on NEW DAY, the U.S. says there is mounting evidence that Russian missiles brought down MH17. We're going to speak to the House Intelligence Committee, Congressman Mike Rogers, about the latest evidence.
[Bolduan:] And Chris goes one on one with the leaders of the pro- Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine. You're going to hear who he says is responsible for shooting down Flight 17.

[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Anchor:] Good afternoon. I'm Brianna Keilar, in for Brooke Baldwin. And I want to begin with breaking news coming to us out of the nation's capital. Right now there are widespread power outages across the D.C. metropolitan area. At this point, Pepco, the power provider there, is reporting that about 2,000 customers are affected by this outage. This does include, though, some very important customers, for instance, the White House and the U.S. Capitol. In fact, check out what happened just a few moments ago during today's State Department briefing.
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[Keilar:] All right, so some lights went out there at the State Department and actually Marie Harf, the spokeswoman, had to go ahead and use a phone light to take questions. Let's bring in CNN's aviation and government regulation correspondent, Rene Marsh. She is in Washington. Do we have a sense of what happened, Rene, and how widespread this is?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation & Govt. Regulation Correspondent:] Well, we are getting some reporting into CNN. The power outage in the Washington area was caused by a small explosion at a power transfer line in southern Maryland. That's according to a U.S. official from CNN's Jim Sciutto. CNN has been told that the Department of Transportation the Department of Homeland Security, I should say, is very closely monitoring the situation. But what we have here, Brianna, as you mentioned off the top, is something that's very widespread. Not just the White House, but reports that the Capitol building, brief power outages here at the D.C. bureau of CNN, the Smithsonian Museum saying that they had to evacuate many of their museums because they lost power. Department of Justice also reports that they lost power as well. So this is very widespread. Also, we saw mass transit being affected. Metro, the train service here in Washington, D.C., many of those stations reporting that they were operating on backup power as a result of this. But the information that we are getting into CNN, that the root of this looks like it is a power outage that was caused by a small explosion, again, Brianna, at a power transfer line in southern Maryland.
[Keilar:] All right. And do we have a sense what about airports? You have Reagan Airport, Rene, which is right there outside of Washington, D.C., in northern Virginia. Are there any effects there?
[Marsh:] Yes, we did a check of all of the airports. At this point, no impact to any of the airports. I also spoke with TSA. Their screening, that's up and running. So we're not seeing any issues. We're seeing flights going in and out of Reagan and Dulles. So not seeing any problems there. Looks like most of the power problems are concentrated within the D.C. area as well as Maryland. Of course, those two airports in Virginia. So at this point, no reports of any problems at the airports here.
[Keilar:] OK. We'll be keeping an eye on this. Rene Marsh, this developing just in the last few moments there in Washington, D.C., keep us posted. And any moment now, a Massachusetts jury will begin to decide the fate of former NFL star Aaron Hernandez. Hernandez is accused of the June 2013 killing of semi-pro player Odin Lloyd, who was dating his fiance's sister. Lloyd was found shot to death in an industrial park less than a mile from Hernandez's home. This is a trial that's taken months. One hundred and thirty-one witnesses have taken the stand. This includes New England Patriots' owner Robert Kraft, as well as Hernandez's own fiance. But it all comes down to this, did the state prof beyond a reasonable doubt that Hernandez killed Lloyd? The prosecutor asked jurors to consider the evidence and Hernandez's behavior.
[William Mccauley, Prosecutor:] Something's been taken, something's been left. The car, that leaves. The tire. The shell casing. And guess what? When they go and they speak to Killy Smith and she talks about the car, oh, yes, they brought the car back and told me about the mirror, the broken mirror. They go and they collect that tire. And guess what? His tire at that scene, his DNA at that scene. That shell casing, the same markings to that same gun, the same gun that he's waltzing around the house with that disappears. Why did it disappear? Because he made it disappear. When you talk about control, who's in control? Who's in control of Wallace? Who's in control of Carlos Ortiz? Who's in control of Shayanna Jenkins, right? The fact that she's going to say, I put up with this, that's a choice apparently she makes, but he is controlling it.
[Keilar:] The defense, today for the first time acknowledged Hernandez was at the scene of the killing and saw it happen.
[James Sultan, Hernandez Defense Attorney:] So what are you to make of Aaron's conduct after the killing of Odin Lloyd? Did he make all the right decisions? No. Did he make all the right choices? No. He was a 23-year-old kid who had witnessed something, a shocking killing, committed by somebody he knew. He really didn't know what to do. So he just put one foot in front of the other. Keep in mind, he's not charged with being an accessory after the fact. You couldn't find him guilty of that charge even if you wanted to. They didn't charge him with that. He's charged with murder. And that he did not do.
[Keilar:] I want to bring in former prosecutor and CNN legal analyst Paul Callen and criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor B.J. Bernstein. So, B.J., why would the defense use this tactic in their closing argument, this admitting here at the last minute that Hernandez was present for the murder?
[B.j. Bernstein, Former Prosecutor:] Well, because it tracks the total defense, which is that they don't have anything but gray suspicion that he actually committed the murder itself. The defense throughout the trial really attacked the circumstantial evidence that was presented by the state. They went after the expert, for instance, with regard to the shoe treads, saying that, you know, he was there. They kept using it, attacking each thing that there's just no direct evidence that Aaron Hernandez was there and the only thing lurking was this idea that perhaps he wasn't there at all. And by admitting that, they took that out of the province of the jury and let the jury focus on whether the state proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
[Keilar:] Was this a smart move then, Paul?
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] No, I don't think it was in terms of the overall strategy and trying the case. Remember, they opened to the jury, suggesting that this was a weak circumstantial case, suggesting that there was no proof that he was actually involved in the murder. They fought tooth and nail throughout. And now, to close to the jury and say, oh, yes, he was there, but he didn't pull the trigger, I think that's a major shift in the strategy of defense in the middle of a trial and it's kind of unusual for the defense to do that. Usually they follow the same strategy throughout. And I think that's going to backfire on them.
[Keilar:] Yes, it's this tacit admission that they had to give up something that they weren't alleging in the beginning of this. What about we heard the defense hammering over and over today reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt. And the key here being that they want the jury to believe that it wasn't Hernandez, that he was there, but it was these one of these other men that was with him. B.J., do you think that they really have a chance at this, creating this reasonable doubt, or does it seem like a Hail Mary?
[Bernstein:] There's always a chance. You know, when you have more than one person there, when you have especially when they're not on trial with you right in the room, it is easier and should be you know, lot of times done to say, wait a minute, it's not me, it's these other people. You have the wrong person. And it's the natural way to be able to defend yourself from this that he was there but that they don't have any direct evidence. And again, we're going back to that circumstantial versus direct evidence of whether he actually was the murder. And that's what the defense is relying on that the jury will reject it.
[Keilar:] Paul, you're seeing these countless pictures of Aaron Hernandez in the courtroom. He might as well be on a football field, all of these smiles. We saw him sort of smiling, kind of laughing, chewing gum at times. What do you make of that behavior? What does the jury make of that behavior?
[Callan:] Well, I think that it's a big mistake to have a client behave like that as if these lawyers could control it. They really can't control it. I mean it looks like he doesn't take the charges seriously. I mean, what is more serious than being on trial for murder? And to be laughing and joking, I mean, it's just I think it makes him look terrible. It makes him look like he has no respect for the process or the life of the person who was killed. So I think that's going to that's going to hurt him when the jury deliberations occur.
[Keilar:] And, B.J., you look at this and you see his lawyer is not laughing the way he is. He's laughing, and his lawyer is trying to kind of keep a straight face and maybe discourage him from behaving that way. What do you think?
[Bernstein:] And, you know, it's difficult, but at the same time, honestly, as I walk the hallways even here at CNN talking to different people here, a lot of people are saying, you know, I like Aaron Hernandez. He's handsome. He's charismatic. I'm still going to keep my jersey. That is a very strong factor here that almost no other defendant has is this likability. And although the circumstances are serious, when you look at the video even right now, not knowing what's there, you say, wow, he you know, he's likable, he can't be a murder. And that may be a subliminal message that's being sent to that jury.
[Keilar:] Yes, good points, both of you. Thanks so much. Paul Callan, B.J. Bernstein, thanks guys.
[Bernstein:] Thank you.
[Callan:] Thank you.
[Keilar:] All eyes now on Boston. We are awaiting the jury's decision on the fate of the accused Boston bomber. The verdict is expected at any moment. Plus, he's one of the political world's biggest characters, and today Rand Paul announcing he wants the White House. Hear why the focus of his speech surprised some pundits today. And developing right now, ISIS is storming the streets of a refugee camp on the doorstep of Syria's Bashar al Assad. There are 18,000 civilians caught in the middle of this standoff. We will take you there. This is CNN.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] Here's a question only Bowe Bergdahl can answer. But let's face it, a lot of people are asking it. After five years as the Taliban captive, weeks in the hospital, he is now an outpatient, yet he still has not seen his parents. As far as we know, he has not even spoken to them yet, and it's got to get you wondering why. Did all his time in captivity change him that much, or is the same young man everyone knew just waiting to come out again? Ed Lavandera is covering the process of reintegrating Bergdahl back into normal life. And he joins us live in Dallas, and then in Chicago is psychologist Joseph Troiani who's also a former Navy commander and teaches a course on survival, evasion, resistance, escape psychology, better known as SERE. Ed, first to you, this notion that Sergeant Bergdahl is an outpatient, can you categorize that a little for me? Because I don't think that means he's jumping on the bus and heading off base.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] No. No, if you remember, for the last nine days or so 10 days or so, Bergdahl had been inpatient. Basically he had a hospital room there at Brook Army Medical Center where he was going through the reintegration process. He's still in Houston, part of Fort Sam Houston where the Brook Army Medical Center is there, but things are starting to slowly change for him. He's moved to another part of the complex there. Army officials won't say much about what his current living conditions are like, but that he's slowly being introduced to more and more people as part of this reintegration process. He is still in Houston and still being treated.
[Banfield:] So, Joseph Troiani, maybe you can help me figure this out, because as far as I know, Sam Houston's got quarters for families with, you know, service members who are being treated. There's also a community center there, plenty of space. It's not a logistics issue for his family to be there. Is there something to the notion that some POWs are different than other POWs in the way that they are held?
[Joseph Troiani, Founder, Adler School Of Professional Psychology:] Definitely, after being confined for five years, the reentry process is pretty difficult, and for some, it takes a little longer period of time when they feel they're ready. They want to be ready for when they meet their loved ones or families. But I think the stage is being set, as you've mentioned, at Fort Sam Houston. They have the Fisher Houses there for families. They have a great community center where families and soldiers are able to socialize and have some time on their own. So we might be getting closer to the point where he's going to meet mom and dad.
[Banfield:] Well, I get it. I'm think I'm just trying to get my head around look, I've never been held captive, I don't know, but I can only go on the experiences others before him. And we've never seen this before. We've just never seen somebody going into the fourth week of finally being able to come home and not coming home, really home. Is that is there a difference between being a POW where you have other mates who are captive with you to, say, somebody who's in sensory deprivation perhaps, because we've heard accounts that might be afoot here, and does that make sense, that he be this detached at this point from his own family?
[Troiani:] More than likely, he is feeling detached. Remember, he was absent from his lifestyle and culture. Now he's coming back and being reintegrated. The good news is they feel that he's physically and psychologically stable enough where he's able to transition to what we would remember to as traditional outpatient. But I would also consider that at this point in time, because he has a history of walking away from his post or being absent, that he would be under military police escort or possibly even the Army's CID, which is the Army's version of NCIS with the Navy.
[Banfield:] I just need a quick answer on this one, sir, and I don't know if you know the answer, and I don't know if this is even a question that I should be asking, but it crosses my mind. Is it possible at all that the military is holding that reunion over him until he cedes the kind of information they're looking for about what led to all of this, five years ago? Is that possible?
[Troiani:] That could always be a possibility, but they keep emphasizing that they're letting him move at his own pace. And it could be their recommendation or what have you.
[Banfield:] It's good to have you. Thank you so much, Joseph Troiani, and Ed Lavandera, for your reporting on this. By the way, five years, Ed has been on this story, and he's been terrific at every detail. Thank you both. Appreciate it. Former NFL star Aaron Hernandez facing first-degree murder charges, and we've just learned he actually spent part of the weekend out of the jail. He was at a hospital, and if you want to know what it was that took him there, we'll have it for you after the break.

[Bash:] An unnerving development in Iraq. Officials there say militants have stolen nuclear materials from the university in Mosul. Arwa Damon joins us live from Baghdad. Arwa, what do you know about the amount and grade of the stolen uranium?
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it's about 40 kilograms, say around 80-plus pounds of this material. It is uranium. However, the U.S. and the IAEA are saying this is not enriched uranium. They do not believe it would pose a potential threat. That being said, it is understandably quite a disturbing development with the Iraqi government reaching out to the United Nations for assistance in this matter. The Iraqi government has really been trying to drum up international support in its ongoing battle for is. It's now been a month, Dana, since it first took over Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city. The security force is struggling along these various front lines, barely keeping ISIS away from the capital. CNN.com's Chelsea Carter took a trip to a hospital in Baghdad, where she managed to speak to some of the wounded Iraqi soldiers coming back from the front lines, telling harrowing tales of what they witnessed, painting a different picture of the battlefield from what is being told by the Iraqi government. A lot of stories about how they did not have enough weapons, enough ammunition, logistics supply lines completely falling apart. So the Iraqi government at this stage really trying to reach out to various international players, gain that support. We also know they're relying very heavily on Shia militias to keep ISIS fighters away from the capital Dana?
[Bash:] Arwa Damon, reporting from Iraq, thank you so much. And still to come, the cultural phenomenon that helped define a generation. Bill Flanagan, of VH1, joins us to look back at the British Invasion and how it changed everything.

[Romans:] All right. Let's get an early start on your money this morning. Asian stocks soaring. Just look at Shanghai, up 4.3 percent because of strong data from the U.S. and then hopes of more stimulus measures there. European stocks are up as well, ahead of a decision on interest rates by the European Central Bank. U.S. stock futures they are barely budging. But forget about that. Look at that. Stocks are the highest they have ever been. Yesterday, the Dow and S&P 500 both record highs. Stocks have been a broken record, a broken record. The S&P 500 up 12 percent this year. It's an oil market game of chicken. American energy going up against OPEC. Prices are falling. Neither side seems willing to budge. Right now, crude oil about $67 a barrel. That's following OPEC's decision not to cut output, down almost 40 percent from summer highs. It means oil producers everywhere are hurting. But oil heavyweights like Exxon and Chevron could survive $40 a barrel.
[Berman:] That they don't want to.
[Romans:] Who does, right? Well, Americans do. If prices stay low, smaller energy companies are likely to be in bigger trouble. That means more oil company mergers in the near future, if you were an investor in the oil patch, maybe fewer dividends. Watch this space. And tumbling oil means cheap gas. And when I say cheap, I mean, less than 2 bucks a gallon in some places. Some gas stations in Oklahoma right now are already selling gas below $2. And GasBuddy says drivers in, here we go, Virginia, Missouri, South Carolina, Texas, and New Mexico, you could join Oklahoma, folks, by this weekend. I'm not kidding by this weekend, gas below $2. If the oil war keeps pushing prices down, below $2 gas could soon be common in lots of places.
[Berman:] Wow. All right, EARLY START continues right now.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Armed, dangerous and much deeper into the White House than we knew. Frankly than we were told. Shocking new details about the fence jumping intruder arrested in the president's home. This as the head of the Secret Service is expected to be grilled in front of Congress this morning. Is the president and his family, are they being kept safe?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] ISIS fighters gaining new ground in Iraq and Syria. Moving closer to key cities. Local residents fearing their town will be lost. This as ISIS releases new propaganda, video of a British hostage this morning. Live team coverage ahead.
[Berman:] Pro-democracy protesters taking over the streets of Hong Kong demanding change from their government. We will take you live to the heart of these protests.
[Romans:] Those pictures are remarkable.
[Berman:] Really stunning. And those protests will only get bigger within a few days.
[Romans:] Yes.
[Berman:] Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It's 31 minutes past the hour. Let's begin with the Secret Service. The director of the Secret Service already facing a tough congressional oversight this morning and it just got a whole lot tougher. We now know that the man who jumped the White House fence earlier this month made it much farther into the White House than had been previously reported. CNN's Jim Acosta has that story for us this morning from the White House.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] John and Christine, Omar Gonzalez made it much farther inside the White House than previously acknowledged by the Secret Service. According to congressional and law enforcement sources, once Gonzalez entered the White House, he managed to get through a Secret Service officer at the North Portico door, went past the stairs, leading to the first family residence, and then ran into the East Room before he was tackled just as he was trying to head into the Green Room. No shots were fired inside or outside the White House. And according to a memo that will be used by lawmakers on the House Oversight Committee at a hearing later on this morning, there were multiple lapses that allowed Gonzalez to make it that far. One of them being a failure to use what's called the crash button, that would have instantly locked down the White House. The question, of course, is, why that button was not used? And this new information runs counter to what the Secret Service initially said on the night of the fence jumping incident, when a spokesman told reporters that Gonzalez was apprehended just inside the North Portico door. The director of the Secret Service, Julia Pierson, is scheduled to appear before the House Oversight Committee later on this morning. According to White House officials, the president has confidence in her leadership John and Christine.
[Berman:] Thanks, Jim, for that report. This morning residents of the Syrian city of Kobani are terrified and pleading for help. That as ISIS closes in. Islamic militant fighters are less than two miles now from that Kurdish town near the border with Turkey. U.S.-led forces have intensified airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, but officials in Kobani say it is not enough. They need more help or that city will fall. Standing by live at the border right now, CNN's Phil Black. Good morning, Phil.
[Phil Black, Cnn International Correspondent:] Good morning, John. Yes, when we speak to everyone around here on this side of the border here in Turkey, just across the border in Syria in that city of Kobani, which you can see behind me, we are asked where is the international coalition. Where are the airstrikes? Why aren't they getting involved in the battle that is raging just across the border there? You can see Kobani, it is being approached from all sides the west, the south and the east by ISIS. We are standing to the east. And it is from this direction in recent days that we have watched ISIS approach. And we have seen firsthand, very clearly, the fact that ISIS fighters really outgunning their opponents. They have much heavier weaponry than the Kurdish fighters who are desperately trying to resist them. And they have moved so close to the city now. ISIS was shelling Kobani directly yesterday. As many as 20 times according to people within the city that we spoken to. They believed that has killed a number of civilians, at least three. And there are now real concerns for those who remain behind in that city. Well, most have fled, some 200,000 from the city in the surrounding region across the border here in Turkey to seek shelter. There are still thousands behind. And there are real concerns about what should happen to them in the event that ISIS makes its last final push. A final lurch to take this city. We heard some fighting this morning, distantly. Some shelling. We think coming from the south. It is otherwise peaceful for the moment. But here on the ground, there is every sense that there's little standing between ISIS and its goal. That they're at the gates and they're in a position to take Kobani John.
[Berman:] All right. Phil Black for us on the border where you can practically see that city as it fights for survival against ISIS. Our thanks to Phil. Meanwhile, ISIS released a new propaganda video overnight featuring British hostage John Cantlie. We'll go live to London with that, tell you what's on that video in about 15 minutes.
[Romans:] We're following breaking news this morning. Police in Baghdad are confirming claims by ISIS that the Islamic militant group has carried out several attacks on Iraqi army patrols and checkpoints in the southern outskirts of the city. At least eight Iraqi soldiers are reported killed. Officials characterized the attack as a hit-and-run. They say Iraqi Security Forces do remain in control of the area.
[Berman:] Meanwhile, Syria's foreign minister is slamming the United States and the West for the way they are conducting the war on ISIS. Telling the United Nations General Assembly that Western governments ignored Syria's warning about ISIS for years. And these countries now need to coordinate airstrikes against ISIS with the Syrian government. Now the White House is refusing to do that. Syria's foreign minister went on to say that the U.S. is making a mistake by not targeting other extremist groups in the region along with ISIS. Those groups obviously fighting the Syrian government. The cost of this war is climbing. According to research from the strategic and budgetary assessment, U.S. military operations have already cost between $780 million and $930 million in the last two months. The cost going forward depends on duration and intensity. But the think-tank estimates the lower intensity campaign will cost as much as $320 million a month. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says the U.S. is spending up to $10 million a day. He's likely to request more money. Time for an EARLY START on your money this morning. Asian stocks ended the day mostly lower. Pro-democracy protests continue in Hong Kong. European stock are up right now. U.S. stock futures are pointing higher as well. The first Clinton grandchild is waking up this morning. Waking up. Falling asleep. Waking up. Falling asleep.
[Romans:] Crying. Eating. Crying.
[Berman:] But the important thing is she will be in her new home. That is her right there. That little bundle of stuff right there. Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky leaving the hospital on Monday along with her mother and father and a couple of other people who may be recognizable and standing behind them. Baby Charlotte will be busy over the next few day, I am sure, writing, transcribing memoirs, things like that. No, she will be meeting aunts and uncles on her father's side of the family. She has 18 first cousins.
[Romans:] That's awesome.
[Berman:] To meet in between napping and eating and napping.
[Romans:] Very bullish on babies. Babies are cool. Babies are cool. Best of luck to them. Best wishes for them in their sleepless nights. Start saving in a 529 for college right now.
[Berman:] Right. They're late if they haven't started already. They're late.
[Romans:] Right.
[Berman:] Thirty-seven minutes after the hour. Happening right now, thousands of protesters taking over the streets of Hong Kong demanding big changes. We are live with the very latest, next.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn Anchor:] I don't know about you, but I'm picturing this like Tony Soprano kind of thing. Lovely bridge you got here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it. I'm Jake Tapper. This is THE LEAD. The politics lead. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, he denied causing gridlock on the world's busiest bridge out of political revenge, but now today texts and e-mails show the scandal is a lot closer to the man in the driver's seat of Jersey politics than we knew. What will he do? And what's the fallout for this would-be presidential hopeful? The sports lead. It was a bombshell report you saw right here on THE LEAD, colleges that make millions off their sports programs giving passing grades to athletes who couldn't even read their commitment letters. Now our guest this hour, former NBA star Isiah Zeke Thomas, says black student athletes in particular are getting the shaft. And the money lead. The ad says sprinkle some of this on your food and lose 30 pounds just like that. But you're telling me it's not true? The government nailing so-called weight loss companies for false advertising. Are you using any of their products to keep that New Year's resolution? Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. We will begin with the politics lead. Some pundits say that how Governor Chris Christie responds to this crisis today could determine whether or not he has a chance of being president. It all has to do with accusations of a political vendetta. Of particular alarm for Christie supporter, this direct quote from one of his top aides to an executive at the Port Authority quote "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee." That and other e-mails and texts obtained by CNN appear to tie Christie's administration to lane closures on the George Washington Bridge, the busiest bridge in the world, which connects Fort Lee, New Jersey, to New York City. The September closures were blamed for days of massive traffic jams in Fort Lee. Let's say you're making your last-chance power drive on the Jersey Turnpike. Maybe you got a school bus full of screaming kids or you're driving an ambulance and you run into an epic traffic jam created, as the e-mail suggests, not because of a traffic study, but out of political spite. Critics have said this was all retaliation against the mayor of Fort Lee, Mark Sokolich, A Democrat who did not endorse Christie's election bid. Christie has denied this. Earlier today after the e-mails came out, however, the governor canceled his only public event of the day where many had hoped he would explain these e-mails and texts. All the claims against his office were merely allegations until today.
[Tapper:] Traffic in New Jersey is rough on any given day, but it's a local story. Today, however, Garden State Gridlock is meriting national attention. CNN has obtained seemingly damning e-mails and text messages from top aides to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, ones that seem to undermine his and his administration's previous explanations that there was nothing political in the closure of lanes on a major bridge in September 2013, closures that wreaked traffic havoc, hurting one particular town with a Democratic mayor, a mayor who had refused to endorse Christie, a Republican, for reelection.
[John Wisniewski , New Jersey State Senator:] What we have seen today is a sad day for New Jersey. The documents that have been published are both shocking and outrageous.
[Tapper:] New Jersey Democrats came out swinging this afternoon over what is now being called Bridge-gate. From September 9 through 14, 2013, the George Washington Bridge connecting New York to New Jersey had three lanes closed without warning, causing major delays in Fort Lee. Democrats cried vendetta, but there was no evidence to back up that charge. And Christie scoffed at the notion of traffic as political retribution.
[Gov. Chris Christie , New Jersey:] I actually was the guy working the cones out there. You really are not serious with that question.
[Tapper:] Instead, New Jersey officials claimed that it had been a traffic study commissioned by the Port Authority.
[Unidentified Female:] Why do you think they did it?
[Unidentified Male:] I'm not aware of any traffic study. I don't know why it was done.
[Tapper:] But that story unraveled when Port Authority officials were subpoenaed by the state assembly last month.
[Unidentified Male:] And it directly violated our agency's primary responsibility to protect our customers and personnel.
[Tapper:] CNN today obtained texts and e-mails that seemed to suggest the logjam may have, indeed, been caused by political retribution. Nearly a month before the bridge lane closures, Christie's deputy chief of staff, Bridget Anne Kelly, e-mailed David Wildstein, one of Christie's top appointees at the Port Authority. "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," she wrote. "Got it," he said. After Fort Lee was brought to a halt by the bridge lane closures, Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich called the Port Authority to no avail. Kelly e-mailed Wildstein to ask the if anyone had called the mayor back. The response was this: "Radio silence. His name comes right after Mayor Fulop." That's Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop, a Democrat who also didn't endorse Christie and who has since suggested that refusal came with a price, meetings canceled, legislation scrubbed. I want to read perhaps the most damning exchange in a text message obtained by CNN. Sokolich, the mayor of Fort Lee, reached out to Wildstein saying: "Presently, we have four very busy traffic lanes merging into one only tollbooth. The bigger problem is getting kids to school. Help, please. It's maddening" unquote. Wildstein forwarded the plea to someone whose name has been redacted in these e-mails and texts. "Is it wrong that I'm smiling?" the person asks. "No," Wildstein responds. "I feel badly about the kids," the unknown person writes, "I guess." The response, Wildstein, "They are the children of Buono voters." Now, that's a reference to Barbara Buono, Christie's then Democratic opponent in the gubernatorial election that the governor won handily in November. The incoming speaker of the New Jersey State Assembly released a statement. Let me read part of it quote "Upon becoming assembly speaker next week, I plan to seek counsel and guidance from legal experts on how best to proceed, but I fully expect this investigation to continue into the next legislative session." Joining me now is the man leading that investigation, Assembly Deputy Speaker and Transportation Public Works and Independent Authorities Committee Chair John Wisniewski. Assemblyman Wisniewski, thanks for being here. Christie's opponent, Barbara Buono, has reacted to the story, telling Salon.com that quote "There's not even a scintilla of doubt that Christie is behind this." But beyond the suspicions, do you have any evidence that Christie had anything to do with this or even knew about it?
[Wisniewski:] Well, this is an administration that runs a very tight ship, and there are almost no decisions that are made of any consequence that do not run directly through the front office. No one there is known for having their own portfolio or being a free agent. So it's really hard to imagine how an e-mail could come from the governor's deputy chief of staff saying it's time for traffic problems and not have the administration involved in this. I mean, this governor said at a press conference, I'm not involved in traffic studies, yet there's an e-mail from one of his aides saying the governor himself approved the traffic study in another town. And so we see this as a hands-on governor who's involved in a lot of events that go on in his administration. They all have accountability to the front office. It's really hard to imagine how this doesn't go higher.
[Tapper:] OK. So the answer is, no, there isn't any direct evidence, but you strongly suspect there is based on how Governor Christie works.
[Wisniewski:] Correct. I don't have an e-mail that has right. I don't have an e-mail with the governor's name on it, but I find it hard to believe that this administration wasn't directly involved in orchestrating this.
[Tapper:] You're holding a hearing tomorrow. David Wildstein, who had been a political appointee to the Port Authority by Christie, he resigned in early December after this crisis, scandal, controversy, whatever you want to call it, started coming out in the press. He is expected to testify. What answers are you hoping to get from Wildstein tomorrow?
[Wisniewski:] You know, very simply, this e-mail comes out of nowhere, August 13. What happened before then? Was there a meeting? Who did you meet with? What was the discussion and rationale for creating traffic problems in Fort Lee? Who else in the administration where or the campaign was involved? We have seen lots of names that are connected to the administration in the e-mails. We have seen the name of the governor's chief press spokesperson, Michael Drewniak. We have seen the name of Maria Comella. We have seen the name of his chief counsel, Charlie McKenna. We clearly know at least in terms of cleaning up after this event took place, lots of people in his administration, in his front office, were involved in this. And we need to ask the questions about who else was involved, what did they know, and how did this start.
[Tapper:] For people who are not familiar with the scandal, and obviously Governor Christie, one of the reasons we're even doing this right now is because he's potentially going to run for president in 2016. Traffic may not seem like that big a deal to people given the kind of political scandals that we see all over the country. Certainly, New Jersey is not a place for the faint of heart. Why is this important?
[Wisniewski:] Well, it's not about the traffic. The traffic was the consequence. But it really is about an abuse of power. It's about an administration that does not take no for an answer, an administration that feels very comfortable in exacting political retribution. And we have seen here two very high-placed officials in the Christie administration abusing the authority that they were given to wreak havoc in a municipality, make children late for school, delay a police response to a missing child, delay a heart attack response. That's not the kind of leadership that New Jersey needs and it's certainly not the kind of leadership the nation needs.
[Tapper:] We haven't heard today from Governor Chris Christie. We have been calling and e-mailing them all day. They canceled an event that was set for today. I want to play something he said back in December when asked about your investigation.
[Question:] To what extent do you think there is partisan political gamesmanship being played here?
[Christie:] Well, I mean, inside the Statehouse, there's no doubt that there is. I think, in the end, what it will be shown to be is just rank speculation from folks who want to play political games.
[Tapper:] Now, Assemblyman, you're a Democrat. The two of you do not have a friendly relationship. Back in 2012, he criticized your connections to some political action committees. He said quote "I hope that Assemblyman Wisniewski is not using his power as the chairman of the committee to punish the Port Authority for not helping his political donors." Can you see how some people might look at this and say this seems like a politically motivated investigation of a politically motivated act?
[Wisniewski:] Well, let's look at the documents. The documents speak for themselves. There's no governmental reason for Bridget Kelly to send an e-mail to David Wildstein saying there's time for traffic. There's no political or there's governmental reason for there to be an e-mail mocking the children being late for school. This clearly was a political operation using governmental resources. And it was done to exact retribution against the mayor of Fort Lee. For what purpose, we don't know, for not endorsing the governor, for not getting involved otherwise with the governor. But there's no valid reason for this to have happened. There's no record, and we have seen thousands of pages of document there's no records that would suggest that there was a valid government reason. We see lots of communications about political retribution. We see lots of communication mocking the consequences of what this operation did. And we see lots of communications in a desperate attempt to try to justify what happened. And so, you know, whatever the origins of the investigation, the facts speak for themselves. The governor's people got caught red-handed doing something they shouldn't do, inflicting retribution on a community that had no reason to expect it, and certainly did not deserve it. And now they are trying to find any reason to blame somebody else for this.
[Tapper:] Assembly John Wisniewski, thank you so much for your time. We look forward to the hearing tomorrow. And, of course, we have an open invitation to Governor Christie or any of his representatives to come on THE LEAD and talk about this, give the other side of the story, as always. Coming up this hour
[The Lead:] Our CNN investigation this week uncovered the shocking number of college athletes who are reading at elementary school levels. That prompted former NBA star Isiah Thomas to reach out to us and say, hey, there's even more to it than that. Isiah Thomas will join me next. Later, former Defense Secretary Bob Gates didn't just take shots at President Obama in his new book. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden took some hits too. How might that play out if they battle each other in 2016?

[Baldwin:] Squeezing the suspected Benghazi raid mastermind for valuable information probably will not be easy. Right now, Ahmed Abu Katallah is on a slow boat to America. He is being questioned on this U.S. Navy ship after Special Forces set a trap and nabbed him in his villa Sunday in Libya. Taking him by sea, rather than air, allows FBI investigators maximum time to question him. So we bring in our interrogation expert, Bob McFadden, former NCIS special agent in charge. Bob, nice to have you on.
[Robert Mcfadden, Former Special Agent In Charge, Ncis:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] I want to get into the nuance between law enforcement interrogation and battlefield interrogation. I think that's an important distinction. The first talking about the story. I heard some experts say that this ship may travel very slowly, as slow as it needs to, so this guy talks. What's the first thing as an interrogator you try to do?
[Mcfadden:] Well, the first thing is establishing some kind of relationship or rapport in getting to what are his primary motivations? What's the subject's primary motivations? Now not just for a case like this individual, Khatallah, but when it comes to combating terrorism cases or in the criminal realm, something you touched upon from my experience going back to before 911. There is really but a fine line between so-called intelligence interview and criminal interrogation. I know for me and partners for the "USS Cole" investigation11 operations and investigations, it was about the actionable information that can be used by planners, to disrupt plots and come up with battle plans. Something that you mentioned, though, before, about a tactical battlefield interrogation, though. It is different by degree than interrogation in this type of setting.
[Baldwin:] This type of setting, you know all along that this guy is going to trial. You need to build a case. Right?
[Mcfadden:] That's right. Absolutely. But think in terms of the jointness here and this seems to be a really effective hybrid approach where you have special operation forces, FBI elements and U.S. intelligence community all combining for the snatch and grab to have the subject in custody. What happened in Benghazi, of course, critically, terrifically important. Both for intelligence purposes and then for the elements of the crime when it goes to court. But rest assured right now in the early phases, as long as he's talking, it is going to be about intelligence requirement.
[Baldwin:] If you are sitting let's imagine you are on the ship and you are facing Khatallah, at what point as an interrogator do you know have you him? He is going to talk.
[Mcfadden:] That is a good frame of reference. Even in the most productive cases, rarely is there ever a breakthrough where the subject says, OK, you have me. Whatever you want, get ready, it is usually more of an incremental approach based on how the rapport and relationships are going. Tapping into those things that most motivate the subject and using information that he's giving to determine whether it is truthful, validating and vetting, building trust and building confidence. And some of the best-laid plans experienced interrogators know they may have to change on a dime if the plan is not working. There may be even a situation, too, where you are you can be certain that some of the best interrogators in the business are there and that if it is just not clicking with the team, they may bring in others to have a more effective approach or different approach.
[Baldwin:] What's the biggest mistake an interrogator can make?
[Mcfadden:] Not coming up with the information.
[Baldwin:] Not coming out with the information. Bob McFadden, thank you so much. As we learn more about the story, love to have you back to talk about that. Thank you. Coming up next, World Cup fever. A key American player will miss Sunday's crucial game against Portugal. But happening right now, the game between England and Uruguay. We have live fan reaction from where else, a pub, of course coming up.

[Michael Holmes, Cnn Anchor:] Horrific stories of families torn apart by this storm. This mother was able to save her baby, but lost her husband.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome to AROUND THE WORLD. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.
[Holmes:] And I'm Michael Holmes. Thanks for your company today. We'd also like to welcome our viewer, not just here in the U.S. but around the world.
[Malveaux:] Desperation intensifying across the Philippines. We are talking about this, and it is hard to even imagine this, but there are bodies that are rotting in the streets, they are floating in the sea. There is water, food, medical supplies that is not reaching those who are in most need.
[Holmes:] Yes, a lot of controversy starting to build about that. And now there's another storm on its way that's affecting like they needed rain in this part of the world. And there was an earthquake, too. All of this just days after Super Typhoon Haiyan ravaged cities, towns and villages from one Philippine island to the next. Andrew Stevens reports now from the hard hit city of Tacloban.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] More misery on the ground as some relief efforts are halted overnight when yet another storm hit the devastated city of Tacloban. The strongest typhoon on record struck days ago, leaving behind a humanitarian crisis of unprecedented scope.
[Unidentified Female:] I am the only survivor of the family and I want to know then if they are still alive.
[Stevens:] From the sky, miles of destruction as far as the eye can see. While on the ground, rows of lifeless bodies.
[Unidentified Male:] The only one missing is my eldest daughter. I hope she's alive. And we're hoping.
[Stevens:] Pews of a church chapel now filled with the dead. Inside, a mother weeps over the loss of her son.
[Unidentified Male:] I've experienced a lot of typhoon, but this is the worst thing.
[Stevens:] The living cover their noses and mouths because the stench is unbearable. As they search for their loved ones, a young student cries for her mother. "I'm still hear in Tacloban," she says, "and I'm still alive." Hundreds of thousands are now fighting for survival.
[Unidentified Female:] I must go out of this city.
[Stevens:] The few hospitals still functioning are overwhelmed, leaving the injured with nowhere to go.
[Jose L. Cuisia Jr., Philippine Ambassador To U.s:] The president of the Philippines has declared a state of national calamity.
[Stevens:] In need of food and water, residents write signs of inspiration in hope that someone will see.
[Roselda Sumapit, Victim:] We don't have enough water. Even though we are not sure that it is clean and safe, we still drink for it because we need to survive.
[Stevens:] The warden of this local city jail says they ran out of food. The inmates threatened a mass breakout as one stands on the roof of the prison ready to jump. Haiyan victims dangerously take gas as transportation out of the destruction is vital for their survival. Thousands uncertain of when aid will reach them. And here at the airport, the lights have been turned on for the first time, which means that this can now effectively become a 24- hour operation to get more supplies in. More supplies which are so desperately needed, not just here, but right across this province.
[Malveaux:] And the president of the Philippines is now telling CNN he thinks the death toll is likely closer to 2,000 rather than 10,000, which was the initial estimate. But as we know, these things are very confusing and it's
[Holmes:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] The numbers are not certain. We still don't know really.
[Holmes:] There are still places they haven't checked out. What we do know is that 2 million people are in need of food and water. Something like 11 million are impacted in some way or other. Now, the Philippines is made up of thousands of islands. There's more than 7,000. Two thousand are inhabited. So even calculating the damage and the loss across all of those places, not to mention getting crucial aid to survivors, well, it's a logistical nightmare.
[Malveaux:] Ivan Watson is in the Philippines city of Cebu. And, Ivan, first of all, what is it going to take to get this aid to the people there, because Michael and I have been talking about this and we're talking about five days in at this point. If you don't have food or water, I mean things are going to get pretty desperate and you're going to see more and more people dying.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] That's right. And with torrential downpours periodically that we were caught in here, I mean if you can imagine there's no shelter for these people when the rains come storming in. Now, it's interesting that Andrew Stevens was saying, hey, we think that the lights will come on at the airport at that broken city and it can be a 24-hour aid operation. But look behind me here. This C-130 Philippine air force transport plane is not flying right now because the air force at this base, which is the main logistical hub for moving aid to that broken city of Tacloban, they are only flying there from dawn till dusk saying the lights haven't been turned on and they can't make these critical aid deliveries. Now, when the planes come back, we've seen them met on the tarmac by ambulances carrying some of the wounded evacuees from the storm zone. And I asked an air force spokesman about this. Take a listen.
[Lt. Col. Marciano Jesus Guevara, Philippine Air Force:] There are about a thousand victims, but we have to sort the victims accordingly like the much needed medical treatment for elderly and children and as well as the stranded victims in the area.
[Watson:] That's tough work prioritizing who needs who is the biggest emergency and can be flown out of the area. Again, a state of national calamity, according to the president here. And just a very difficult situation all around. One final fact for you. The Philippines air force, they tell me they only have three three of these planes over my shoulder, these C-130 transport planes, to carry this assistance in. They're starting to mobilize navy ships that can carry far more payloads of urgent assistance, but this is a just a drop in the proverbial bucket. Suzanne. Michael.
[Holmes:] Ivan, a couple of quick points. You know, we've cut a lot of slack, of course, because the logistical difficulties, as you and our team there have been reporting, are enormous to get aid in there. But at some point, are questions being asked about this is becoming a bit of a screw-up? You get it's nearly five days in, you've got people not getting water. And when you look at a place like Tacloban, what's left for people to stay there anyway?
[Watson:] Absolutely. I mean anybody with any sanity, having seen that place, would want to just get out. And that's why there are hoards of people at the shattered airport, some of them desperate to try to get out. The roads, we're hearing from aid workers, what should be a one- hour trip by car to that city, more like 12 hours and it involves a great deal of walking. And, of course, the biggest defense for the Philippine government is the fact that the first responders, even the military in Tacloban, they were victims, too. The commander of the air force squadron there I'm told was swept out to sea and showed up some 10 miles down the coast across the bay and is now in a hospital after he had to talk back. So there are airport workers that were killed. There are ambulance workers that were casualties. And that is part of what is slowing this down. There is international aid coming in. I've seen Taiwanese C-130s coming in here and even the U.S. Navy scrambling, if you will, an entire aircraft carrier to try to bring some more logistical might to what is just the beginning of a relief operation.
[Holmes:] It seems incredible that some of those most basic necessities aren't getting there yet. Ivan, appreciate your reporting. Ivan Watson there in Cebu, part of our large team covering this.
[Malveaux:] And one of the things that's happening is that these survivors, they're taking a second and third hit because there was a 4.8 magnitude earthquake that actually happened. This was in San Isidro. And now you've got a tropical depression that is also making its way across the sea. Want to bring in Chad Myers in the Weather Center because, Chad, I mean we bring up a point here is, where are these people going to go? Where is it safe? Are they ever going to be able to return to their own homes here? There's more bad weather on the way.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] There are many homes, if not half of them, that don't exist. They're in splinters. There's not even left there's nothing left. There's not foundations. And there was tens of thousands of people that lived in these shanty towns. And that's a bad name. It's a boat, literally, it's a houseboat that lives along a pier and all of those boats were just smashed and thrown onto the shore. I have pictures of them. I'll show you that in a little bit. Here's Tacloban right here. Here's the low. This is Zoraida, Tropical Depression Zoraida. Now it is moving off toward the west and to the northwest. But every time a little rain band comes in, Tacloban gets rain. Like they need that. And yesterday, last night, we were here, standing here waiting for Anderson Cooper to arrive in Tacloban, and there was a large rain shower and he couldn't land. And so these all these other people can't land either. All of these things that we're trying to get in, all of this equipment getting in here, there's Tacloban right there. This is the radar. I just found this Philippine radar. It's amazing. Right there, that would be the air strip. So they can fly around this. The problem is, you don't have instruments. This isn't like an IFR airport anymore. You don't you can't just land in a fog or in rain showers. If it's low clouds, you need the visual flight rules to be able to see that airport, to see that runway, to get that plane on the ground. This is not helping.
[Holmes:] Yes. Chad, thanks so much.
[Myers:] You're welcome.
[Holmes:] Yes, this, for our American viewers too, you've got to bear in mind, this is the storm that's three and a half times the size of Katrina. Chad, appreciate it. Thanks so much.
[Myers:] You're welcome.
[Malveaux:] We're following breaking news out of Washington. Rene Marsh has the latest details. This is about an airline merger. It is significant because it really will create more competition potentially, which means better airfares for all of us traveling here. What's the what are the details that the Justice Department is outlining here in terms of the merger?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation & Govt. Regulations Correspondent:] Well, Suzanne and Michael, we're talking about the American Airlines and U.S. Airways merger. That deal was announced just moments ago, minutes ago. And really what this does is, it creates the world's largest airline. So here are the details. We know that the two airlines, as a part of this deal that was struck allowing this merger to move forward, they have to sell slots at seven major U.S. airports. We're talking about airports in places like New York, New York's LaGuardia Airport, Miami, Reagan National Airport here in the Washington, D.C. area. And if you remember originally, the Department of Justice, they filed this lawsuit to block this merger. It's an $11 billion merger. And they filed to block it simply because they thought that the merger would lead to bad news for consumers. They thought it would mean higher ticket prices. They thought it would mean fewer options. So the heart of this deal really came down to these two airlines giving up some of their landing and takeoff slots at these major airports. Let's take Reagan National, for example, right here in Washington, D.C. According to the Department of Justice, if this merger went through as they wanted it to originally, they would have had the combined airline 69 percent control over that particular airport. That's a large amount to control here. So as a part of this deal, again, here at Reagan, they will have to sell off some of those slots. So you have your airlines like a JetBlue, they'll be able to come in and buy up some of these slots. The bottom line here is they don't want to lose that competition. They didn't want it to be a situation in which the consumer loses. So the headline here, DOJ and these two airlines have reached a deal. They will move forward with this merger, American Airlines and U.S. Airways.
[Holmes:] And, Rene, that was the big fear initially when they tried to block this was that there would be less competition, that consumers would pay more for airfares. Now what they're saying here is, you've got to give up those slots, give them to some low cost airlines perhaps and that might broaden competition. That's what they're saying.
[Marsh:] Absolutely because what you don't want when you think about those takeoff and landing slots, that's real estate. Look at that as real estate. And if you have, you know, the majority of these takeoff and landing slots at a specific airport, that translates to money. You are entitled to land and take off at a very specific slot. So if you monopolize that, then the fear is there's less competition. So what they want to do, bottom line is, is to create lots of options for the consumer.
[Holmes:] All right.
[Malveaux:] So, Rene, what would it look like then? I mean how does it look differently at the airports? You know, we're travelers. We travel all the time. A lot of people are wondering, how is this going to impact them? Does it mean lower fares, more options?
[Marsh:] You know, it really depends on who you speak to because there are two schools of thought here. You know, there's one school of thought which says that, you know, if this merger happens, that it would not have had a bad impact on consumers. Those were people who were for the merger. They used prices for tickets looking at the history of ticket prices throughout the years because, as we know, the airline industry, we've seen merger after merger after merger. And so the people who were for this merger said, look, when you look at the numbers, it didn't drastically shoot up as it relates to ticket prices for consumers. But then you had another school of thought, people who say, look, if you have two major airlines that are going to combine
[Malveaux:] Right.
[Marsh:] That will mean perhaps there's not a need for a hub where there was once a hub. U.S. Airways as a hub.
[Malveaux:] Right.
[Marsh:] American Airlines has a hub in a certain area. You might lose one of those. If you lose a hub, that might mean you lose options as a consumer. So two schools of thought. Short answer is, we have to wait and see.
[Holmes:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] All right.
[Holmes:] Either way, world's biggest airline coming up likely. Rene Marsh, thanks so much.
[Malveaux:] Here's more of what we're working on for AROUND THE WORLD. Families ripped apart by the devastation of Typhoon Haiyan. This woman held her baby above her head just to keep him alive. But she lost her husband and many other loved ones.
[Holmes:] The U.S. and Iran pointing fingers at each other after those nuclear negotiations broke down. Ahead, we're going to look at whether this means tougher sanctions on Iran.

[Bash:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Another day, another huge Obamacare deadline delay. You needed to sign up by the end of today on the federal exchange in order to have coverage by January 1st, but now it looks like tomorrow works, too. A spokesperson for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which runs the site, said quote, "Anticipating the high demand and the fact that consumers may be enrolling from multiple time zones, we have taken steps to make sure that those who select a plan through tomorrow will get coverage for January 1st." Now, an administration official told CNN that the deadline is technically today, but it's sort of like Election Day when you're in line and the polls close, you still get to vote. The White House also announced today that the president signed up himself for Obamacare through the D.C. exchange, but then they clarified that, telling CNN, the president's staff signed him up in person through the D.C. exchange over the weekend. Like some Americans, the complicated nature of the president's case required an in-person signup. Let's bring in our political panel to talk about all this, CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist, Maria Cardona, CNN political commentator and Republican strategist, Kevin Madden and CNN political commentator and Washington correspondent for "The New Yorker" Ryan Lizza. I just have to share, I checked with her, an e-mail that Candy Crowley sent which said it all. I'm confused, talking about the president. He signs up for the health insurance he doesn't need, but he can't do it because he has to do it in person, and he's not in person, and then they send an unknown staffer there to verify it because it's not really him. The White House thought this was a good idea? Maria, sorry, you're on the hot seat since you're the Democrat here.
[Maria Cardona, Cnn Political Commentator:] I figured. They didn't need to do that. Obviously it was symbolic. But the fact that you just read that e-mail I think signifies that the story's not what they would have wanted.
[Bash:] You think?
[Cardona:] They just shouldn't have done that. They should have focused on there is some good news today about Obamacare. They had over a million visits to the web site just over the weekend and they had more than 200,000 calls to the call centers. There is massive interest in this. They have now over a million people who have actually signed up, 500,000 have gotten coverage in less than three weeks. So those are the numbers they should focus on and they should focus on the benefits that all of the uninsured are starting to get because of this. They didn't need to do this.
[Bash:] Is that penetrating?
[Ryan Lizza, Cnn Political Commentator:] I don't think so. I think people are still hung up more on the problems and if the goal today with Obama doing this was a symbolic sort of to tell people that you should be able to sign up and it's not confusing, it seems to have had the opposite impact. Frankly, the president doesn't need Obamacare. He has a sort of special set of doctors and health care providers. Maybe in 2017, he can sign up. I think even after you served your term you get pretty good health care as an ex-president. So it had the opposite effect instead of sending a message
[Bash:] But to be fair
[Kevin Madden, Cnn Political Commentator:] Let's not forget, the interest has been mandated by the government. The government is making you do this. This is an individual mandate that President Obama and the Democrats wrote into law so this is not some sort of, you know, an interest that is at its genesis people wanting to find out more about their health coverage. They have to buy it. The government is now making them.
[Cardona:] Let's be clear about something here, too. A lot of people are saying the uninsured isn't going to sign up. That's not true. Most people who don't have coverage
[Madden:] The problem is
[Cardona:] want coverage.
[Madden:] More people are losing it because of this law than are actually signing up for it.
[Cardona:] No, that's a small amount of people.
[Madden:] Millions of people.
[Cardona:] Millions of people.
[Madden:] That's not a small amount.
[Cardona:] It's 5 percent of the American population, very important, which is why the administration did the fix that they did. Let me but the uninsured want to get coverage.
[Lizza:] One thing, there's no doubt this has been a mess of a rollout but what happens, Kevin, for Republicans next year, what if the technical issues, because they are technical issues, what happens if those get solved and the debate comes back to Washington? Is there an onus on Republicans to say OK, we got to make this better, or is the debate in the Republican Party simply we got to repeal it all together? It seems like this debate has sucked a lot of Republicans who hated Obamacare into a conversation of how to fix it.
[Madden:] One of the problems is I don't think any of these technical issues, doesn't seem there's a plan right now to actually fix them. I think the other big problem for this law is that a number of the mileposts, for example, the small business mandate that's coming up, how the rates are going to be affected for 2015 because of a lot of the disruptions in the markets. I think that's going to make people even continue people are going to continue to have a very bad experience with this law. I think Republicans, when they recognize the best way to go about this, the best way to go about fixing the law is to repeal it and start over, having more patient-centric care. There are a number of plans out there by folks like Senator Coburn and Paul Ryan as well as Congressman Tom Price, that focus on their solution. I think that's a much better political play for Republicans is that they can actually be reminded of the fact that health care is a value- centric issue, where people have to go out and talk about what would I do differently. We haven't done that as well in the past. I think we will continue to do more of that in 2014.
[Bash:] I want to change topics to the Twitterverse. As we all know, Washington is empty of its members of Congress, most of them, in fact, Rand Paul was leaving, he got in his own car, drove away. I watched him do it on Friday along with other senators. He's driving his own car. But guess what, he can't leave Washington even though he doesn't like it. On Twitter, he had a Twitter war with Cory Booker, the new senator from New Jersey. One more festivous grievance about bipartisanship, Cory Booker doesn't retweet me enough. Are we all in seventh grade? Booker responded, you, me and feats of strength, Senate floor, name the time. Responding, it then turned into a conversation about reforming drug sentencing laws. Booker tweeted here's to a 2014 where we take on the failed war on drugs. Now, first of all, I don't even know where to start with this. But let's just try to be positive and say that these this is one of the most liberal Democrats, one of the most conservative Republicans, having a conversation Twitter or not, 140 characters or not.
[Lizza:] Look, Rand Paul is one of these younger members of the Senate. He understands the new media universe. Cory booker, same thing, younger generation. A lot of the colleagues are 30 and 40 years older than these guys. This is a great way for them to get an issue that is not high profile on the radar. Here we are talking about it. Mandatory minimum in sentencing needs to be fixed.
[Cardona:] I think it's the beginning of a budding bipartisan bromance. I actually
[Bash:] Maybe
[Tmi. Cardona:] I think Chris Christie might be getting a little jealous because he used to be the go-to bipartisan bromance partner for Cory Booker.
[Madden:] I hate to be not an idealist on this, but I just think it's because they have way too much time on their hands. I'm sorry.
[Bash:] Like go on vacation, guys. Put your iPhones down. No more Twitter. We don't want to hear from you. Maria, Ryan, Kevin, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Coming up next on THE LEAD, Will Ferrell's months-long PR push wasn't enough to pull in Box Office gold this weekend for "Anchorman 2," the other sequel that did come out on top next.

[Pinsky:] She is going to be a vegetable. Let us just call it what it is. That is what is going to happen here and there is nothing any of us can do about it.
[Dr. Bill Lloyd, Surgeon And Pathologist:] The family wants to support the child and allow her to stay alive and everybody else seems to be ready to throw in the towel.
[Barnett:] It is just about her life for this family.
[Pinsky:] I am not wishing that she should die. I am not wishing that at all. I am saying that she should be getting the appropriate level of care for the condition, the reality of this condition. Back with the story you are tweeting about most tonight. Bobbi Kristina Brown on ventilate, life support in an ICU for 39 days with no meaningful brain function. Spirit still with me along now Karamo, social worker; Brooke Nichol, Registered Nurse from Savingfaceaustin.com. For almost six weeks, Bobbi Kristina Brown has been unresponsive after a near death, a near full drowning. Brain is swollen and crushed and diffusely nonfunctional to the point that she does not breathe, does not swallow, does not have reflexes for almost 40 days. After that period of time, it does not come back. It just does not. This is not a situation there. Brooke, you are an R.N. There are a comas and there are a comas. And, some comas have a zero probability of meaningful recovery. Some have an almost zero and if people want to fight through an almost zero. I get that, but this is zero. And, how do we get people to come to terms with that?
[Brooke Nichol, Registered Nurse On Savingfaceaustin.com:] You know, it is going to be up to the health care providers and the family to finally make a decision. And, you know, I cannot imagine how hard it is going to be to make that decision. But in the ICU, life support is meant for acute care. They can go to a long-term acute care facility
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Nichol:] if they are going to still take time to decide on what kind of care she needs.
[Pinsky:] Yes. That is right.
[Nichol:] ICU mentality is to save lives.
[Pinsky:] Brooke, this has been my point from the beginning. She is so unstable that they cannot move her out of the ICU, which by the way, prognostically is absolutely horrible after 40 days. I mean that is a death sentence if that is true.
[Nichol:] Yes.
[Pinsky:] Or are they unwilling to take a risk of stepping her down as you are suggesting. In some way, you deal with in the ICU every day, I am sure you have seen this a million times.
[Nichol:] Yes. Yes, you can go to a step-down unit and still be on life support. I mean it is not a matter of not being able to move them in this condition. I mean I just
[Pinsky:] Well, maybe she cannot be, though. Maybe she is so unstable that she cannot be for some reason, we are not aware of. I mean it is weird that she is still at the most intensive level of care available as though it would be too dangerous for her to move out, which is hard to imagine, right?
[Nichol:] Yes. Very hard to imagine. I mean, you know, it is with all the technology we have today, it is not hard to be transferred.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Nichol:] Even if she is this unstable. I do not believe so.
[Pinsky:] This has been my question all along. Why at this level of care, unless the family is in such massive denial, massive denial or insisting on such special care.
[Nichol:] Right.
[Pinsky:] Karamo, people when they get special care, get terrible care. There is a reason the standard of care is the standard, it is because it is the best. When people insist on V.I.P. or special care, they are going to get something substandard.
[Karamo Brown, Social Worker:] I agree with you. I mean if you are looking at this
[Nichol:] I agree.
[Brown:] If you are looking at this family, such as with Bobby Brown and the Brown family and the Houston family, not to say that they are bad people but there is a little ego attached, and they think that they can save her. We saw this with Whitney Houston. We saw that they denied and did not like look at where her real issues were, and now we are seeing this again. Unfortunately, what needs to happen is that the health care workers, the social workers there, people need to probably start going to like their pastors and other people that can helpfully convince them of what is really going on, because right now they are in a delusional state.
[Pinsky:] Yes. And, the boyfriend
[Nichol:] I agree. I agree.
[Pinsky:] Thank you, Brooke. You are, again we, all three of us, Karamo, I am sure you have consulted in ICU. I have walked in to intensive care unit almost every day in my professional life for 15 years. Brooke, you have served in there. We see this stuff. It is one of the dirty little secrets of ICUs. As Brooke said, it is meant for life-saving interventions in the moment. If it gets dragged out, it was not intended for that and the prognosis is horrible. Now, back to Nick Gordon and all this business. He agreed to join his mother for an interview with Dr. Phil, but it turned to what is apparently was an intervention, when it became clear that Nick was really in trouble. Take a look at this.
[Dr. Phillip "phil" Mcgraw, Host Of Dr. Phil Show/former Psychologist:] Your son left to his own devices he will be dead inside a week.
[Unidentified Male Announcer:] Bobbi Kristina`s boyfriend.
[Dr. Phil:] He seems to be unraveling in a really bad way.
[Michelle Gordon, Nick Gordon`s Mother:] He is going to kill himself for all of this. He is trying to kill himself.
[Unidentified Male Announcer:] Now
[Nick Gordon, Bobbi Kristina Brown`s Boyfriend:] Mommy! I am so sorry for everything.
[Unidentified Male Announcer:] Nick Gordon.
[Gordon:] I miss Krissy and Whitney so much. I want them back.
[Unidentified Male Announcer:] The exclusive interview.
[Gordon:] I hate Bobby Brown.
[Dr. Phil:] You have been drinking a lot, though right.
[Unidentified Male Announcer:] That turns
[Dr. Phil:] You got to man up.
[Gordon:] Do not tell me to man up.
[Dr. Phil:] I just did.
[Unidentified Male Announcer:] Into an intervention.
[Dr. Phil:] I want you to go straight to rehab.
[Gordon:] I am done with the interview. I am done. I am done.
[Pinsky:] Phil described this interview as volatile. He described this kid as in enormous amount of guilt and pain and clearly in an altered state of consciousness, of course not sober. And, Spirit, I know I have a hard time believing what we are looking at there was all alcohol. It look like more than at least alcohol and pills.
[Clanton:] Yes.
[Pinsky:] And, then what is he what is he doing? What is he thinking? All that histrionics and that excessive emotionality, just to what? Deflect against people seeing how wasted he is?
[Clanton:] Well, you have to remember, though, Dr. Drew, that life attracts like. And, so, if you think about the history of the past, unfortunately, of the lifestyle that Bobbi Kristina has come out of, what would you imagine that her current partners would look like? I mean this is the manifestation of what she is most comfortable with. And, so, yes, you know, for him it is just a breakdown. It is a being confronted by all of these emotions. He sees his mother, probably one of the few people that he can be transparent with, and he loses it, unfortunately.
[Pinsky:] I do not buy any of it. I am sorry, Spirit. Maybe, I seem hard. I think it is all a reason to obfuscate and continue using. And, now the mother is involved suddenly. This is the same woman that handed him over at age 12.
[Clanton:] Right.
[Pinsky:] We got answers We got questions. And later, the gym controversy that has erupted after a woman says a man used the ladies` locker room. We will get into that after this.

[Baldwin:] Two brothers, elementary school students, became the victims of bullying because of the fear over Ebola. The boys' father tells our New York affiliate News 12 and his two sons here, who are U.S. citizens, were beaten by nearly a dozen students at their school in the Bronx and the word Ebola was shouted at them. The case is under investigation by the New York City schools and the department of education which confirmed the incident. The city's school chancellor released this statement. Let me read that for you. We will not tolerate intimidation or bullying of our students especially in this moment when New Yorkers need to come together. We are investigating this incident and take this very, very seriously. So joining me are these two boys, Amadu and Pape. And they speak French. And forgive me because I do not. So we won't be able to communicate with them but they are good enough to sit here and hang with me. Charles Cooper with the African advisory council who will speak on their behalves and also dad here, Ousmane Drame. So thank you for taking the time. I really, really appreciate it. And Mr. Drame, if we can just begin with they've only been over here a couple weeks?
[Ousmane Drame, Father Of Two Boys Beaten:] Yes. Three weeks.
[Baldwin:] From Senegal?
[Drame:] FROM Senegal, yes.
[Baldwin:] And went to school.
[Drame:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] What happened?
[Drame:] Yes, what happened is as soon as I take them to school in the first three days, they were made fun of by the children and started yelling Ebola, Ebola, Ebola. These students got to them.
[Baldwin:] They're not calling them by their names. They calling them Africa or Ebola.
[Drame:] Yes. None of these classmates can pronounce their names. It's easier to say Ebola. Ebola is not the name of my children.
[Baldwin:] You have to be kidding me.
[Drame:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] It's infuriating.
[Charles Cooper, African Advisory Council:] Yes, of course. And, you know, and it ensued and, you know, it went from name calling to, you know, full-fledged assault on these two kids.
[Baldwin:] What exactly so big brother here, Pape, heard about was it his little brother who initially was being called names?
[Cooper:] Yes.
[Drame:] He said papa, someone is crazy. He went to the gym to play. They said, you don't have we will not play with you. You have Ebola. You sit down. You just sit down and they play and go to class. But they don't want to play with them. They go to school, 11:0.00. Nobody is close to them. What I don't like is beating.
[Baldwin:] The beating.
[Drame:] That's what I don't like. You don't have to beat anyone.
[Baldwin:] No, of course not. Of course not.
[Drame:] It's universal law. Beating someone is something else.
[Cooper:] And incident happened during lunch in which they just playing around. Suddenly, you know, he was jumped by several kids that called him Ebola. He screamed. His brother, his big brother, came to his rescue, and was jumped on also and the father came to pick them up that day. It's unfortunate this day in age that it's happening. But I was telling the father that, you know, I'm very proud of him that he brought this to the media attention and came to the African advisory council to alert us. And what we're seeing is that because of them, more and more folks are coming out and saying this is happening to my kids.
[Baldwin:] I read about the story this morning. I said to my producer, send me to Staten Island tomorrow night. I want to brief right with a lot of people in the Liberian community to try to say, hey, you know, let's talk about the stigma and what we how I can help and how other members of the media can help to stigmatize this. If I can just in my final remaining moments, could you ask your boys in French, do they want to keep going back to school? Because I had read this morning they said to you, dad, I want to go back to Africa.
[Drame:] Yes, they want to go. I talked to them.
[Baldwin:] They want to keep going to school?
[Drame:] They want to go school. I talked to
[Baldwin:] How are they doing?
[Drame:] They are OK. You see we are Senegalese, you know. We, the long time, it is calling us is just we know the French. We know the Europeans. Senegal, you notice, it's a big nation, I tell you. We have an organization here in New York
[Baldwin:] Final thought.
[Cooper:] And at the end of the day, listen, no matter whether you're black, brown, yellow or green, we all want our kids to be safe. We all want our kids to go to school and learn and not feel threatened or bullied. This is what it's about. So we are full-fledged outreach to the community. We're trying to educate folks on Ebola and bullying.
[Baldwin:] It's all about educating. I wish I could communicate to them and let them know how awesome I think they are.
[Cooper:] I think they know it.
[Drame:] I'm telling you, there is a solution.
[Baldwin:] It's ignorance, bottom line. Thank you so much. Thank you. I really appreciate it. We have to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn:] Next, two major breaking news stories we are following tonight. Another Malaysia airlines plane goes down. This one shot down with nearly 300 on board. Who is behind the attack? And Israel launches a major ground offensive into the Gaza strip. We are live there tonight. Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight breaking news, shot down. A Malaysian airline Boeing 777 with 295 people on board downed by a surface-to-air missile. There are no survivors. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was at cruising altitude near 33,000 fleet in mid-flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. The plane departed Amsterdam at 12:15 in the afternoon, Amsterdam time, scheduled to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport 12 hours later. Air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane as you see there two hours after takeoff, about 31 miles from the RussiaUkraine border. It is a stunning twist of fate that this was another Malaysia Airlines flight. The pictures are terrifying and tragic. Human beings intact, passports, even a guide book for a vacation unharmed. Yet every single human being on that plane lost their lives. This ominous picture of MH-17 before takeoff was purportedly taken by a passenger on the plane during boarding. He posted this picture to his Facebook page referencing the missing plane Malaysia Airlines plane with the caption reading, "In case it disappears, this is what it looks like." We do not know how many Americans were on the plane, but the evidence of lives lost suddenly is everywhere on the ground. They are some passports, 154 Dutch passports, many of them found on board, seen on the ground untouched by fire or ruins. Some of them looked unused, new. The wreckage you can see here in a field near the Donetsk region of Ukraine, which is controlled by pro- Russian forces. This picture purports to show an anti-aircraft weapon in Donetsk. The question is was this the weapon used to shoot down this plane, and if so, who fired it? Did they intend to shoot a commercial airplane out of mid-air? We begin our coverage tonight with Jim Sciutto in Washington. Jim, what is the latest you know about this terror in the sky?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Official:] Well, I'll tell you U.S. officials now confirming what Ukrainian officials have been telling me all day long and that is that there was evidence that this plane was taken down by a surface-to-air missile. The two pieces of evidence that U.S. officials cite are, one, tracking by U.S. assets in the region showing that a missile system radar locked on to this jet before it was shot down and signs of a heat signature missile rising from the ground towards that jet. So two very strong clues that this was a missile attack. Ukrainian officials going on to say that it was a missile like that one that you just showed a picture of there, a Russian-made missile, which Ukrainian officials say was taken by pro-Russian separatists a couple of weeks ago, then leading to this tragedy today.
[Sciutto:] The Malaysian jet fell from the sky over Eastern Ukraine in a fireball in a black cloud, pieces of burning debris visible, trailing gray smoke. On the ground wreckage littered the landscape, spread over a large area. Evidence, Ukrainian officials tell CNN, that the Boeing 777 came apart at high altitude. Ukrainian officials quickly blamed a missile strike by pro-Russian separatists. The foreign minister telling CNN, quote, "It's as clear as day. They've been hunting our planes for weeks. Ukraine's newly elected pro-western president, Petro Poroshenko, called it an act of terrorism.
[President Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine:] We do not call it an incident or a catastrophe but a terrorist action.
[Sciutto:] The U.S. has now concluded the plane was shot down, a senior U.S. official tells CNN. But the U.S. does not know who is responsible. Russian President Vladimir Putin is already laying his own blame saying the state over whose territory it happened, naming Ukraine, is responsible for this terrible tragedy. This morning Putin delivered the news of the crash to President Obama during a phone call to discuss new U.S. sanctions against Russia. Sanctions sparked by Russian support for Ukrainian militants including supplying weapons and fighters.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy. The United States will offer any assistance we can to help determine what happened and why.
[Sciutto:] President Obama has since spoken to Ukraine's president and Malaysia's prime minister pledging U.S. support to determine exactly what happened.
[Najib Razak, Malaysian Prime Minister:] If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice.
[Sciutto:] U.S. officials say they've not determined who shot the plane down, but Ukrainian officials are not pulling punches. They blame not just pro-Russian separatists, they blame Russia and one piece of evidence they use is an intercepted phone communication at the time this plane was shot down between, they say, a pro-Russian separatist and a Russian intelligence agent describing that they shot this plane down and then even as they're realizing it was a passenger plane, as it hit the ground, pretty alarming evidence coming out of the Ukrainian government tonight.
[Burnett:] All right, Jim Sciutto, thank you very much. The latest on the investigation as it is beginning. Nic Robertson is on the ground in Kiev for us tonight. What do you know, Nic?
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, rescue and investigation officials have only been allowed through to the crash site in the last seven hours or so. The Ukrainian government doesn't control the area there. We're told that five teams were allowed through to that area about seven hours ago. They say they are being hampered because the debris is strewn over a large area. They're being hampered by armed groups in the area that are getting in the way of the rescue and investigation. We've seen on pictures already a contamination of the crime scene, if you will, there's been pictures of people standing on parts of the wrecked aircraft. Those intercepted phone conversations we've heard the Ukrainian security chief and the Ukrainian president talking about this evening that are intercepted. They say between separatists and what we're told here are the Russian handlers saying that some parts of the aircraft have already been looted and taken away and put in people's yard. So you have questions right now about the contamination of the crime scene, the jurisdiction of the crime scene here, which clearly is not firmly in the hands of the Ukrainian authorities. The Ukrainian president says that he welcomes international involvement, wants the Dutch and Malaysian officials to be involved in an international investigation, it's difficult to see at this point how that can proceed easily and quickly in these current circumstances Erin.
[Burnett:] Nic Robertson, thank you very much. I mean, that is hard to imagine people taking pieces of this airplane to put them in their yards. Joining me now Phil Mudd, former CIA counterterrorism official, Mary Schiavo, former inspector general for the Department of Transportation, and Retired General Spider Marks, a CNN military analyst. Phil, let me start with you. We don't know who is responsible. You heard Jim and Nic reporting though in terms of the allegations of the intercepted phone call that purportedly is between pro-Russian separatists and their Russian handlers. This is a war zone. It's a shocking act. Who could have done it? It sounds like he's obviously not hearing me. So let me put that question to you, General Marks, in terms of just pure capability, who could have done this?
[General James "spider" Marks, Cnn Military Analyst:] The Ukrainians have the surface-to-air capabilities that the Russians have, they've been allied for a period of time. The Russians have it, the Ukrainians have it. It can reach up to 72,000 feet so it would put it in the range of the capability. Clearly this rests with the initial finding will be Russia's got some explaining to do. And I think we'll find that out here very, very shortly. Look, there's going to be signals intelligence, there's going to be an IR signature, infrared, and we'll be able to do some additional analysis on all of that here very, very quickly.
[Burnett:] So intent is going to be so crucial. I know we have Phil here with us now. So Phil, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was not on its usual route, which I think is important to emphasize, there was weather. It was flying north of its regular course, near an area the FAA had warned airlines to avoid back in April because of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. My question to you though is someone who has the operational ability to fire a surface-to-air missile and successfully take a jet out at 33,000 feet, is it possible this person wouldn't have known this was a commercial jet?
[Phil Mudd, Former Cia Counterterrorism Official:] I think that's possible. What we'll find is if these missiles were transferred to somebody who knew how the fire the missile, but was not plugged into air defense systems, they might have mistaken the aircraft for something that they wanted to hit, for example, a Ukrainian military aircraft. One thing Spider said that I wanted to pick up on, the focus over the past hours has been on a sliver of intelligence. A heat signature or radar signature. There's a huge piece of intelligence we don't know, but I'm sure will be on the president's desk tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. and that is, are people talking on the radio. Do we have human sources in the Ukrainian opposition who were talking about this? There's a whole pattern of intelligence activity you'd see that might give you other signals beyond, for example, radar or a heat signature.
[Burnett:] Mary, I want to show you the video of the plane when it hit the ground. The video we have. Huge pieces of plane debris with the flames and then huge pieces of plane debris are on the ground. What do you see that shows surface-to-air missile or what might have happened when you see the debris?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] When I see the debris, it looks like you had a mid-air explosion, either a surface-to-air missile or even a bomb on board. I'm not suggesting that here. I'm looking at that and seeing the sight like Pan Am 103 or situations like that and the wide dispersion of the debris. You find pieces that are completely intact. I worked mid-air explosions where you have like somebody's purse or handbag comes down perfectly or a passport comes down perfectly and yet other things are completely destroyed. So the randomness of it certainly suggests an inflight breakup.
[Burnett:] On to that point, you mentioned the passports. We've seen piles of luggage completely intact on the ground. We've chosen not to show this because it's disturbing, but there are bodies that are completely intact. Looks like someone had just crumpled on to the ground. There's the luggage that shows what I'm talking about. How does a plane come down 33,000 feet and you see luggage intact. You see humans intact.
[Schiavo:] Well, those pieces were likely ejected from the plane. We even saw this in 2001, two of the ones in the World Trade Center. We found things that were intact, luggage, passports, and then other folk who were never found at all. This random hit or miss that suggests an inflight breakup. Some pieces were far away from the explosion and literally they just fell to the earth unburned and undestroyed.
[Burnett:] Phil, if this was a surface-to-air missile as U.S. sources are saying that it was, would there have been any warning to the pilot, the crew, the passengers?
[Mudd:] Boy, I don't think there'd be much. I assume we'll get some of that off the flight recorder. That's one reason that taking care of the crime scene is so critical. You are going to want to make sure it doesn't get in the hands of people who either destroy it, make it disappear or alter it. But given how fast the surface-to-air missile is going and how slow that aircraft is going, that there would be much warning to that pilot.
[Burnett:] And General Marks, the person who fired this, I mean, this has been a fear that we've heard about in commercial aviation for a long time, that terror groups or groups of militants could use surface-to-air missiles to take down commercial jets. What does the fact that this was successful say to the flying public?
[Marks:] Well, commercial aircraft are normally not equipped at all with what's called IFF, to identify friend or foe. You can transpond whether you're civilian or you're military. So the flying civilian populous shouldn't worry about this. However, when you're in a commercial aircraft and you're in a hot spot or in an area that's in extremism for some reason certainly this capability can be on the ground. But generally, Erin, what you see is that these transporter launchers, this type of capability is part of an enterprise. Messages and radar signals are sent and transponded and transferred around so that a single rocket or missile can be launched, but the direction comes from someplace else. To have this in an individual's hand or a single kind of an entity to engage indicates that they are disconnected, that the capability still exists and certainly can migrate around. I think this is extremely rare. Clearly what the United States needs to do is put a full-court press in terms of the intel community as Phil has suggested, around this so the United States can respond immediately and very strongly in terms of stating what their belief is.
[Burnett:] All right, well, thanks to all of you. Again, we need to emphasize we don't yet know how many Americans were on board this plane. That's just one example. We'll be talking about the missile that brought down Flight 17. What we know about what it might have been capable of doing and the flight path, and how many other planes, there were American planes, in this area. We have those pictures to show you on radar. How many planes were around when this happened, a pretty shocking picture? Our other breaking story tonight, Israel launching a major ground offensive into Gaza. We are going to be live in Gaza City tonight.

[Burnett:] And our fifth story OUTFRONT is the breaking news tonight: no deal. There will be no vote on a deal to extend the debt ceiling and end the government shutdown in the House tonight. A Republican plan to do that collapsed. John Boehner not able to get the votes and it was the conservative arm of his party that turned him down. Now, sources in both parties tell our Dana Bash that the ball is back in the Senate court, just two days before the United States could possibly default on the nation's debt for the first time. A spokesman for majority leader, Senator Harry Reid, tells CNN and I want to quote him. "Senator Reid and Senator McConnell have re- engaged in negotiations and are optimistic an agreement is within reach." This is important. This statement happened just in the past half hour as it fell apart in the House. We have seen it move quickly back to the Senate. Democratic Senator Joe Manchin was an integral part of the deal making in the Senate this week, part of a small bipartisan group that was trying to get a deal done. Good to have you with me, Senator. I really appreciate your taking the time.
[Sen. Joe Manchin , West Virginia:] Thank you, Erin.
[Burnett:] Obviously, this reporting now, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell re-engaging in negotiations. Is that the case? Are we going to get now the next deal out of the Senate?
[Manchin:] I think so, Erin. It's the right place for it to be. I think they let the House, you know, financial matters come from the House first since they weren't able to move anything, it's the Senate's job right now to make sure we step in to do the job that we're supposed to do. We've got to quit being Democrats and Republicans and start being Americans first, and put our country first, again, Erin. We're at a crisis. We're at a difficult position right now. We got to make that happen. And tomorrow is the day to make that happen.
[Burnett:] And you say tomorrow. Let me ask you this question. I had a market guest on earlier on the program, saying, well, we don't really believe October 17th is the be all and end all deadline. But at the same time, Senator, you and I both know the market could suddenly sell off at any point at this time, and that would force your hand and others in Washington. How quickly can you get a deal?
[Manchin:] Let me tell you.
[Burnett:] Yes?
[Manchin:] First of all, it's very clear you're not going to have the extremes the right or left. You're just not going to have extremes on either side. Democrat, Republican, whatever. If people can't become Americans first and do what's good for our country and come back to the middle that's where we got to be tomorrow. We can get this done if we don't have people going to the procedural, if it doesn't run out the clock in 30 hours procedural votes. We're hoping that doesn't happen. We're hoping that people can say, listen, vote your conscience. If you're not with it, that's fine. Let those of us who are willing to move our country forward and to put our country first step forward, let's do it. Let us have that vote. And I'm hoping that will happen tomorrow. I'm really am hopeful for that.
[Burnett:] But let me ask you because we just had Representative Huelskamp as you know, a conservative member of the House he was going to vote against John Boehner tonight, and John Boehner had a little bit of Obamacare on the table, right? He was going to say people in Washington on Capitol Hill and in the White House have to play by the same rules on health care as everybody else in the country. And for Representative Huelskamp that wasn't enough. That wasn't even close to enough and he was perfectly happy they say he would vote against that. John Boehner didn't have the votes. So, how you could get a deal in the Senate that you think can pass the House?
[Manchin:] Well, the bottom line is, I think basically the leaders of both the House and Senate are going to have to lead and come to the middle. You're not going to get the right and left. People that are basically putting all their special interest ahead of the good of this country we're work about keeping our government open, and fixing the finances of our country. That's what this is about. There's things I don't like about Obamacare. There's things I don't like about our energy policy. But I'm not going to hold this country hostage and have millions of people suffering because of what I like and don't like. I came here to represent the people, to do the best I can for my country and my state of West Virginia. And I'm going to do that. I hope that our leaders will move ahead. You can't worry about those who are looking for a reason to be against something. You better find those of us who are willing to be for something.
[Burnett:] And you think there's going to be enough of you. I mean, in the Senate
[Manchin:] I do.
[Burnett:] But also in the House, sir, also in the House, where John Boehner couldn't get the votes tonight. That could change?
[Manchin:] I've been told, Erin, that, basically, if they had a clean C.R. vote two weeks ago, we would never shut down the government. It's gotten to the point now we've got to move. And you just got to move in that middle direction and find out who is on board. You can't be worrying about the Hastert Rule and this and that and everything else. This is about our country. And people are sick and tired of the politics being played here. I tell people back home, if you think the view is ugly from where you're sitting in your living, you ought to try from the front row seat where I am at. This is not what we signed up for, Erin. We didn't come here to invoke pain upon citizens, you know, that we take an oath to represent. We came here to make their lives better and create opportunities and we better start doing our job.
[Burnett:] But aren't we back where we were two weeks ago?
[Manchin:] Well, no, not really. No.
[Burnett:] So OK.
[Manchin:] You got Reid and McConnell, OK?
[Burnett:] Right.
[Manchin:] They started moving. I understood that stopped today, and I guess Senator McConnell wanted to see if John Boehner and the House could do something. They couldn't. They started their talks again. They use the template. There's 14 of us. Susan Collins, myself and we have really seven Republicans, six Democrats and one independent. We have been working very, very strong and very good together. We're ready to go. And we stay together. And we're going to continue to be together. So there's a nucleus to work off of. I understand basically what I've seen from ReidMcConnell, it's pretty much the same template we've been using. So, I praise them for that. Let's just move and get it done tomorrow. That's all I'm saying.
[Burnett:] And when you say get it done tomorrow, before we go, I want to understand exactly what you're saying. You're saying out of the Senate.
[Manchin:] I like to get a vote. I'd like to get some votes and spend
[Burnett:] We have to accept it doesn't seem like anything even if there were a miracle is going to get a presidential signature in time for the October 17th deadline.
[Manchin:] I think that can be worked out. I truly do. I'm very hopeful that can still be work out. There's no way there's no way conscionable that we can default. Anybody think that's not a big thing or don't worry about it that's ridiculous. This is a big thing and it's going to harm not just this economy but economies all over the world, and we're not going to do that. If we do, I think they should all ask for our resignation. They should ask for all of our resignations if we can't come together for the good of our country.
[Burnett:] All right. Well, thank you very much, Senator Manchin. I think a lot of people will want to take you up on that if it does fail. And I say that only with a slight smile because it is so frustrating. OUTFRONT next, the story we first brought you yesterday a girl accuses an older boy of rape. The charges then are dropped. She and her family say politics played a role and they were ostracized by the community. Every angle covered the alleged victim, her mother, a friend who was with her that night and the town sheriff are all OUTFRONT.

[Whitfield:] Monday was a disastrous day for Moore, Oklahoma, but it was also the birthday of Shayla Taylor's son. She was in labor while the tornado was ripping down the hospital's walls, but she got through the frightening ordeal with the help of four heroic nurses. The women had an emotional reunion. Taylor's newborn baby was there as well and so was our Brian Todd.
[Unidentified Female:] How are you? My God, look at how handsome your boy is.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] A reunion that came seconds and inches away from never happening. Four nurses from Moore Medical Center congratulate Shayla Taylor on her newborn son, Braden, six people with a bond that will last for the rest of their lives. As the tornado approached town, Shayla Taylor was in labor on the second floor of the medical center. She was dilated, going through contractions and
[Alyson Heeke, Nurse Supervisor:] She couldn't move. She had epidural anesthesia, which meant it numbed her enough that she couldn't walk.
[Todd:] As the tornado bore down, the staff moved her to the hallway then to the more solid windowless operating room. The power was knocked out. It was too dangerous to move her anywhere else.
[Cindy Popejoy, Charge Nurse:] Her baby was not doing the best. So I really needed a way to monitor her baby to see how the baby was tolerating the labor process especially since she was so far dilated. So the only place to do that would be the
[Or. Todd:] But within minutes, the hospital was hit with massive force. [on camera]: Now what do you think?
[Shayla Taylor, Rode Out Storm In Damaged Hospital:] Once I felt the floor start shaking, it felt like an earthquake. I knew we were getting hit directly.
[Todd:] Did you think at that moment that you and Braden could survive this?
[Shayla Taylor:] I didn't know if we would. I was just praying that we would.
[Todd:] The walls were ripped off the operating room. Shayla's husband and the nurses shared these pictures from where they were hunkered down a gaping hole to the outside, the tornado still raging.
[Shayla Taylor:] I opened my eyes, I could see I-35 and I could see the movie theatre.
[Todd:] With Shayla still in labor, nurses, Cindy Popejoy, Barbara Brand, Bonnie Stevens and Alyson Heeke, draped blankets and their bodies over her and hung on.
[Heeke:] We actually were on the floor. Bonnie the scrub tech was leaning over her. We had blankets and pillows all around her and we were holding on to each other in the bed.
[Todd:] It worked, the tornado passed without any of them being hurt. But Shayla's husband, Jerome, who'd taken cover with their 4- year-old son, Shaden, on a lower floor hadn't been allowed to go to his wife and says he didn't know how to get to her.
[Jerome Taylor, Shayla's Husband:] And they were like, no, you have to get out of the building. I was like, no, my wife is upstairs.
[Todd:] And there was still danger. Even though the tornado had passed, floors and ceilings were unstable and there were gas leaks. But Jerome Taylor and the nurses were able to get Shayla on to a flat board and down a stairwell and out. Shayla was taken to a hospital in Norman. Within hours, Bradon Emmanuel Taylor was born at a healthy 8 pounds, 3 ounces. [on camera]: What do you think of the nurses and what they did?
[Shayla Taylor:] Those nurses are amazing. You know, they they're definitely doing the job that they were called to do. You know, to put my life before theirs. I know that's what you're supposed to do, you know, as a nurse. I went to nursing school. I know that's what you're supposed to do, but to actually see them do it and to be more concerned about me than them, I know that's they're definitely doing the job that they are called to do.
[Todd:] As for this tiny trouble maker.
[Shayla Taylor:] He'll probably sleep through anything now.
[Todd:] One final piece of symmetry here, Shayla Taylor just finished nursing school. She says she always wanted to be a labor and delivery nurse and this experience only reinforces that. Brian Todd, CNN, Moore, Oklahoma.
[Whitfield:] That's so heart warming. Congratulations to all of them and all the best. All right, the head of an IRS division at the heart of the tax targeting scandal stirs up a little bit controversy. Lois Lerner takes the Fifth, but has a whole lot to say before she invokes that right. Our legal guys will look at that controversy, next.

[Costello:] Jodi Arias could find out today when a new jury will decide her fate. Arias and her attorneys will be back in court where a judge could set a date for the sentencing phase of her trial. Back in May, as you well know, Arias was convicted of first degree murder in the death of her boyfriend Travis Alexander. But that first jury could not reach a decision over whether Arias should be put to death. Ted Rowlands is live in Phoenix to tell us more. Good morning, Ted.
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Today's hearing is twofold. First, a date set for the retrial and there's also a chance that the judge could limit the television coverage during the retrial because the defense says the first time around it got out of hand.
[Unidentified Female:] We, the jury, duly empanelled and sworn in the above entitled action upon our oath do find the defendant as to count one first degree murder, guilty.
[Rowlands:] After listening to four months of testimony, it took three days for the first jury to find Jodi Arias guilty of first degree murder. But they couldn't decide between the death penalty or life in prison.
[Unidentified Female:] No unanimous agreement.
[Rowlands:] Arizona law allows prosecutors one more chance at death. If a new jury still can't decide, Arias will get life in prison and a judge will determine whether or not she's eligible for parole. The new trial won't be as long because the original first-degree guilty verdict still holds.
[Dwane Cates, Arizona Attorney:] This new jury isn't going to have nearly the information that the old jury did. And the jury that made this decision saw every gruesome detail, saw all the lies, saw everything.
[Rowlands:] Finding new jurors who haven't heard of the Arias case will be difficult given the intense media coverage of the first trial. Finding witnesses that will stand-up for Jodi Arias will also be tough.
[Alyce Laviolette, Domestic Violence Witness:] Mr. Martinez, are you angry at me?
[Rowlands:] Defense domestic violence expert, Alyce LaViolette says after she testified, she was inundated with online abuse, including death threats. She has no intention of going through that again, even though her testimony could make a difference. [on camera]: Why don't you want to go back?
[Laviolette:] Threats to my life. Threats to my family. My family doesn't want me to go back.
[Rowlands:] In the end, Jodi Arias may end up being her own best chance for avoiding the death penalty.
[Jodi Arias, Convicted For First Degree Murder:] Either way, I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison, either a life that is shortened or not. If it's shortened, the people who will hurt the most are my family. I'm asking you, please, please don't do that to them.
[Rowlands:] Arias pled for her life during the penalty phase of her first trial this after spending 18 days on the witness stand during the trial. What, if anything, she says to the new jury may determine if she lives or dies. And, Carol, in the defense motion to limit the amount of television coverage they cite Alyce LaViolette saying she's not coming back because of the abuse she encountered. We should find out today which way the judge will rule Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Ted Rowlands reporting live from Phoenix this morning. Still to come in the
[Newsroom:] the chemical weapons crisis in Syria. Inspectors move in, shots rang out, and the United States says its military options are open.

[Cooper:] Florida man faced down a great white shark caught it all with his Go-Pro camera. Just watching the video kind of gives you chills. Jimmy Roseman was spear-fishing off Florida's Vero Beach when the great white showed up. For two terrifying minutes, the shark circles him, getting closer and closer. At one point the shark smashed Roseman's air tank. That's how he first even knew the shark was there.
[Jimmy Roseman, Faced Great White Shark In Florida:] Not immediately. I felt a thump and I heard that what I suspect is the teeth hitting the tank and it shot out in front of me. And I wasn't really sure how big a shark or what kind of a shark it was at that point. Until it came back at me. Then I knew right away it was a great white then.
[Cooper:] And the visibility, doesn't look like you had great visibility here.
[Roseman:] No. It was you know, we have an average of, you know, maybe 10 to 15-foot of vis where we dive about you know, out in our area. So it's you know, it was good for our vis.
[Cooper:] And I mean the I understand the shark, as you said it went away, came back about eight minutes or so later. And I see you're pointing your spear gun, I mean, you're trying to keep it in front of between you and the shark which is obviously, I guess, a wise thing to do. You poked it several times. Did you get the sense that it was aggressive or just curious?
[Roseman:] Well, once I poked it a few times. You know, I've had other shark encounters and you poke them, you know, with different types of shark and they leave right away. I noticed this one didn't want to leave. It kept getting more aggressive. So there at the last I really hit it pretty hard and it left long enough for me to get away and get to the surface. So I was glad about that.
[Cooper:] It's I mean I've gone diving a couple of times for stories with great whites off cape town and visibility was really low and there's nothing creepier than suddenly seeing an enormous great white come out of the shadows, essentially. What was that feeling like?
[Roseman:] It was overwhelming, you know, like you said, 15 feet away and it appears right on you. In most of this video it's only six or seven feet away from me. So, yes I was more worried how I was going to get to the surface. I knew I had plenty of oxygen left because I just got down there. So I was grateful that he did decide to leave after I poked him pretty hard that last time.
[Cooper:] I under you went diving again later that day. A lot of people might be like I'll take a couple of days off.
[Roseman:] When I got to the surface and told my friend what I had seen and told the story and everything we loaded up everything and we ran about three or four miles down the reef and dove the rest of the day and we didn't see any more sharks that day.
[Cooper:] As you're exiting, you know, you get back in your boat and your feet are still in the water. Was there a moment I need to get in the boat as quickly as possible?
[Roseman:] Yes, I can promise you that was the fastest I've gotten to the surface at that depth. That's what I was bothered. When I was hiding behind the rock you got a little bit of protection. He's not going to come from underneath it or behind the rock at you. When you're going up he can come from any direction. So that's what I was more worried about.
[Cooper:] Did you think at any point of actually firing your spear gun?
[Roseman:] Right there at the end you can see it comes around right before I hit at any time hard the last time. You can see me reach up and start to unhook my line from my shaft in case I had to shoot it. But it returned on me too fast and I had to hit it that last time. I hit him as hard as I could and I actually seen the tip go into the shark this time and that's when it took off long enough for me to get away.
[Cooper:] I guess a spear gun wouldn't do all that much to a 14 or 15- foot long shark.
[Roseman:] Yes. That was going through my mind too. It's not going to do nothing, but hopefully it scares him enough.
[Cooper:] When I went diving with sharks the expert told me I should project confidence. How do you project confidence through a wet suit, a snorkel and a Google and all that? I guess you were projecting confidence.
[Roseman:] Yes. Don't let him be the winner, I guess.
[Cooper:] I'm glad you're OK and amazing video. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
[Roseman:] You're welcome. Thank you very much.
[Cooper:] Having dived with great whites off South Africa, I can tell you it is inspiring and terrifying at the same time. What was it like when I got in the water? What do I need to do?
[Unidentified Male:] Don't make false moments. What we are is the same as a jackal at a lion feed.
[Cooper:] We're the jackal at a lion feed. They will let us be there as long as we don't interfere.
[Unidentified Male:] Don't grab a bone and run away.
[Cooper:] The water is filled with chump, fish parts and blood and a number of sharks are already circling the boat. So it's time to go. To get to the bottom I climb into a cage, which is lowered about 20 feet to the ocean floor. Mike is already there scouting for any sharks. Then he signals for me to swim out.

[Blackwell:] Our Susan Candiotti joins us now live from Everett. Susan, what do we know about the shooters relationship with his cousins? I mean, initially when we learned that these were friends, it was horrible enough, but this is now family. Any clues yet to the motive behind this tragedy?
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] Good morning, Victor. The grandfather of the cousins, who were injured in this says, yes, indeed, they were related to the shooter and that they were all very close. That they hung out together. They lived close by. They even went to a school dance recently in which the suspected shooter, Jaylen Fryberg, was named the homecoming prince. The grandfather can't explain what happened. He says he forgives the shooter for what happened and eventually would like to meet with his family. As for the motive, if authorities know what happened here, they're not saying. Might it have had something to do with a reported recent breakup with a girlfriend or a suspension from school? We simply don't know at this time. In the meantime, at the school, students were allowed to return on Saturday. They left flowers on the fence there and they were permitted to go inside the school and their classrooms to retrieve their belongings. The community is still reeling from what happened here and still trying to make sense of it with their families. I spoke with the mayor about that.
[Mayor Jon Nehring, Marysville, Washington:] I put my arms around them and hug them because, you know, I hadn't done that on their way out the door to school that day. I think, you know, you have families that their kids aren't coming home. And that's what comes through your mind. You just want to love on them and hug them. One of the things is to say, if you need something to talk about, don't hold it in. Talk to us about it.
[Candiotti:] And at this time, police have not yet officially released the name of the shooter or the teenage girl who was killed.
[Kosik:] Susan, it's Alison. A new teacher at the school we're hearing is being hailed a hero in all this. She apparently attempted to stop the shooter. Do you know about that?
[Candiotti:] Yes, the police have said that that's what happened although they're not releasing any more details about that. We have reached out to the teacher that they mention, but she said she didn't want to talk about it at this time, and in fact, even tweeted about that. So we'll have to wait and get more details on that, but according to police, she did apparently try to stop him at one point.
[Kosik:] OK. Susan Candiotti, thanks.
[Blackwell:] All right, Susan, let's get to the morning read now because there is a lot going on this morning. A nurse who is being held in quarantine in New Jersey says, she was left in isolation for hours when she arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport. Writing in the "Dallas Morning News," Casey Hickcocks says she is scared about how other health care workers, who return to the U.S. after caring for Ebola patients in West Africa will be treated.
[Kosik:] Officials in New York, New Jersey and Illinois say, they are trying to protect public health. The "New York Times" is reporting that western ISIS captives are tortured before being beheaded. American James Foley, the first western hostage to be beheaded by ISIS on camera had been singled out for particularly harsh treatment. The "Times" says they compiled the information by interviewing five former hostages, local witnesses and colleagues of the detainees.
[Blackwell:] In politics, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is slamming the level spending by outside groups in this year's race for Senate in North Carolina. She was in the state campaigning for Democratic Senator Kay Hagan. So far campaigns and outside groups have spent close to $80 million on that contest.
[Kosik:] In sports, the Giants rallied from behind last night to even up the World Series at two games apiece. The Kansas City Royals jumped to an early lead in San Francisco. But the Giants offense rallied in the sixth eventually blowing out the Royals 11-4. Game five kicks off tonight at 8:00.
[Blackwell:] And up to 50 homes in Hawaii are preparing for the possibility of forced evacuations because of this, lava from a volcano that is heading their way. Hawaii's governor has already asked for a presidential disaster declaration. This lava is 2,000 degrees. It threatens to destroy roads, homes, schools, anything in its path. And stunning pictures of massive flooding ripping through the streets of Athens, Greece, sweeping away look at this. Hundreds of cars like this. As bad as it looks, it may get worse. And later, question, hero or villain? Critics are lashing out at the New York doctor with Ebola for mingling in public after returning from the hot zone in West Africa.

[Lu Stout:] Coming to you live from Hong Kong, you're back watching News Stream. Now, Indonesia turns a new chapter in history. Joko Widodo, or Jokowi, as he is called, has been sworn in as president. He is the first that has had no ties to the military or to the political establishment there. The one-time furniture salesman, he grew up in a slum before making it big as an export businessman and eventually the governor of Jakarta. And he won the presidential election against the former son-in-law of the Indonesian President Suharto. Now, Jokowi's election platform drew heavily on his business experience and how that could help Indonesia's economy. But as Andrew Stevens reports, it may take more than just financial acumen to take on the nation's political tensions.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn International Correspondent:] Joko Widodo, former businessman, mayor of governor now president of Indonesia, the world's third biggest democracy. Jokowi, as he's popularly known, beat the former military general Prabowo Subianto in a tightly contested and bitter race. Now he faces high expectations from those who chose him and stiff opposition. Indonesia's parliament, of course a symbol of this country's young democracy, but it's also the place where the new president is going to find the most hurdles as he launches an ambitious new reform program. Subianto's coalition controls the legislature only weeks before Jokowi is sworn in, lawmakers jostled for house leadership in a display of political brinkmanship. That's caused jitters in the market and among investors. The incoming president says he's unperturbed and is working to ease political tensions.
[Joko Widodo, Indonesian Presidnet:] Everything will be done for the good of the nation.
[Stevens:] He'll need to work with parliament to address tough economic choices early in his presidency. Top of the agenda, cutting fuel subsidies currently costing the government $21 billion a year. He'll need legislative support also to get funding for another key promise, boosting infrastructure and social welfare programs. For decades, Indonesia grew on the back of commodities, but analysts say the country needs to shift to higher value industries to fuel growth. That means improving education to produce skilled workers. All eyes will be on Jokowi's first cabinet. He has promised to appoint capable ministers to crucial posts, but he's also been forced to chose from candidates nominated by parties in his own coalition. As a mayor and governor, Jokowi was seen as unconventional and uncompromising. But many question if he can stay that way throughout this presidency. Andrew Stevens, CNN, Jakarta, Indonesia.
[Lu Stout:] The Nigerian government says Boko Haram will release more than 200 abducted schoolgirls as early as today. Now the government says the deal is part of a ceasefire, yet just this weekend, CNN learned of new attacks there. In one attack, militants ambushed travelers in the Borno State village of Shafa. Now in another attack, Boko Haram gunmen attacked the village of Waga in Attamawa state. Now insurgents also occupied the town of Abadam near Niger. You'll remember the schoolgirls were kidnapped from the village of Chibok back in April. You're watching News Stream. And still to come on the program, dozens of lives lost after a deadly blizzard in Nepal, but a sign of hope as hundreds of others are airlifted to safety. After the break, we have the details on the search for survivors.

[Lake:] Google has just launched an online tool called "Helpout" linking users with experts over live video chats. It is the latest innovation from the internet giant, which is also rumored to have its own SmartWatch in the works. Kristie Lu Stout recently spoke to Google's chairman about it.
[Eric Schmidt, Executive Chairman, Google:] Well, the good news about Android, which is the operating system that is used on more than a billion devices, is there are a number of manufacturers that are either building or have announced Android SmartWatches. Samsung, for example, has already been shipping one. And there are others coming. So again, you'll have an IP address on your hand, you'll have a mobile phone, maybe you'll have something on your glasses.
[Kristie Lu Stout, Cnn International Correspondent:] It's very exciting. Google just bought one of these Android SmartPhone or SmartWatch makers, WIMM. So, is something in the works here?
[Schmidt:] Well, let's not talk about Google's future products. But I will tell you that the Android ecosystem, there's a lot of devices like that coming. We anticipate a sort of internet of everything model, which has been discussed pretty broadly. What will happen is computers will all self-assemble. You'll walk into your house and your watch will figure out that they're in your house and interesting things will happen that make your life more productive and fun.
[Stout:] Let's talk about Google Android, OK? And in particular, Samsung's dominance in Google Android. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Because Google Android has enabled the success of Samsung. Your thoughts on that?
[Schmidt:] Well, Samsung and I met with them when I was in Korea
[Stout:] Yes.
[Schmidt:] very, very committed to Android. And indeed, they're bringing out a large number of other sort of Android-related products. Because of course, Samsung makes more than just phones and tablets. They make refrigerators and many, many other kinds of devices. So, they're part of our partnership to make Android and the internet of everything really happen. So, that partnership is very good for us. Samsung has really redefined the SmartPhone space. Today, they are the number one mobile phone manufacturer in the world, and they're number one ahead of Apple's iPhone.
[Stout:] So, you're bullish about Samsung's continued success?
[Schmidt:] Not only am I bullish, Samsung itself is riding high on the success of their decision to standardize on Android and to use their technology. And they're really an innovator in terms of integrated hardware. They do a fantastic job.
[Stout:] Let's talk about Moonshot Project. So much discussion about the driverless cars at Google, immortality project.
[Schmidt:] Right.
[Stout:] Why does Google do this?
[Schmidt:] Because we can. Because we have the economic resources and the leadership, that we can take that that other companies can't. We fundamentally believe that technology can be a force for good, that investment with very, very sophisticated scientists can invent new products. And we're willing to fail. We're willing to build products that might not work or might not work in version one. But we know if we keep trying, eventually something really interesting was going to come out. And who doesn't want to be immortal?
[Stout:] There are prices to that, right? There's
[Schmidt:] Well, let's get the
[Stout:] It's going to be taxing on society for a number of reasons, but that's for another conversation.
[Schmidt:] Let's get the products built first.
[Stout:] That's right. Then deal with the social impact.
[Schmidt:] That's right. Let's build the product before we regulate them.
[Lake:] Now, I bet you're wondering what this is. Take a look at these chainsaws. The one on the left is from a leading German manufacturer. The one on the right is an imitation, a counterfeit. Now, can you find the fake in this next set? Take a look. If you guessed the one on the bottom, you'd be correct, but it's hard to tell, isn't it? When we hear about counterfeit goods, we tend to think of designer handbags, expensive watches, but that is not what worries European law enforcement. The head of Europe's police agency says that counterfeiters are moving their focus away from luxury goods and turning their criminal attention towards everyday items like medicines, food products, and car parts. I spoke with Europol's director, Rob Wainwright, earlier, and I started by asking him how consumers can spot the fake items from the real ones as this multibillion-dollar black market grows bigger.
[Rob Wainwright, Director, Europol:] Well, I think that's really difficult because counterfeiters are becoming better and more sophisticated in their product lines, not always some are clearly fake. So, consumers do need to be aware. My best advice to the consumers is stick to those tried and trusted outlets. Make sure if you need to buy cancer medication, and we've seen fake forms of that, you get it from the pharmacy or you get it from the doctor. You don't go online to try and save some money. The same when you're buying stuff online about the car or electrical goods, make sure that you're getting it from known retail outlets that you can trust. Don't take risks with your health and safety. Make sure that you know what you're getting into when you're buying this stuff.
[Lake:] Rob, I think it's tough for consumers. We know what the unemployment rate is in some countries, it's a tough economy, consumers are really strapped. Some of these items we're seeing the growth in counterfeit are expensive items: medication, appliances. If the companies were to price them a little bit lower, would that help take away the market for counterfeits? If they took a little bit less profit margin, would that help the problem?
[Wainwright:] Well, I'm not a market economist. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm here to talk about the police action in this area to help protect our free market economy, protect our businesses, who are losing millions, billions of dollars in this area as well from the unscrupulous activities of organized crime groups who are distorting markets, who are lowering competition, who are changing and undermining our trademark and our design technologies for example. So as much as anything else, the victims are the businesses as well, and the law enforcement community, we need to protect them. In the end, the citizens have to make their own choice about which goods they buy. What I'm saying today is, this is no longer about a Gucci handbag. This is about fake medication, fake food. In some cases that we've seen, people have lost their lives from consuming fake goods and fake alcohol, for example. So, people really need to take care when they're choosing what to buy, especially online.
[Lake:] Does law enforcement have the resources it needs? It seems that these criminals are able to stay one step ahead. We know they're very tech-savvy. Are you able to keep up with them?
[Wainwright:] We're investing as well in our new European cybercrimes center here at Europol. We're working with our US partners in this area as well. The police are pretty good at doing this work as well. And in a number of cases, we've managed to crack down on many of these organizations. We've already, working with ICE in the US, we've already closed over 500 domain internet domain names in this area, internet sites that are selling these fake stuffs. Last year, we worked with Interpol to recover 135 tons of fake and substandard food culminating in 100 arrests in 28 countries. So there are major international police efforts underway to protect our consumers from this, and we'll remain engaged to ensure, therefore, that the organized crime groups do not profit from this new trade in their activity.
[Lake:] After 12 years, a change in New York City. Voters are choosing a new mayor to replace this man, Michael Bloomberg. Whoever wins has a tough act to follow when it comes to working with Wall Street.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Now it's time for today's "Pop Culture Lead." How often can you say about anyone, "He served in the White House for 34 years." Well, no president could ever say that but the late Eugene Allen could. Allen served eight presidents and bore witness to some of the most powerful figures and tumultuous times in U.S. history. His unique and fascinating life inspired the movie "The Butler" which opens tonight. CNN White House correspondent Dan Lothian visited Allen's son to learn more about this quiet man whose story is finally being told.
[Forest Whitaker, Plays The Butler:] I'm Cecil Gaines. I'm the new butler.
[Dan Lothian, Cnn White House Correspondent:] It's a Hollywood story built on the life of a humble man. Eugene Allen, the real butler, who lived and worked in two very different worlds.
[Unidentified Male:] You hear nothing, you see nothing.
[Lothian:] Allen didn't just work but mingled with the rich and powerful, heard their stories, held their secrets. Like walking into an unlocked vault, his legacy lives on in this modest home a few miles from the White House, where Allen and his wife raised their only son Charles.
[Charles Allen, Eugene Allen's Son:] When the president, when they got to the point where they could talk comfortably around the state, you know, that's when you, you know, kind of like fit in and they would just talk around you. Because he wasn't going to divulge anything.
[Lothian:] Not even to his wife of 65 years, played by Oprah Winfrey.
[Unidentified Female:] I want to get all the stories.
[Oprah Winfrey, Plays Butler's Wife:] Well, I don't hear it because they done swore him to some kind of secret code.
[Lothian:] But Allen's son, who says the butler who served eight presidents, from Truman to Reagan, was far from a silent witness to history.
[Allen:] They respected his opinion. He was a respected man.
[Winfrey:] That moment in the film where Cecil Gaines goes in and says, the white help is making more than the black help here, and I think that's not fair and we should, you know, get equal pay, that is his way of warring.
[Lothian:] A proud black man who wasn't defined by a racial stereotype, the line between butler and friend could be blurred.
[Unidentified Male:] Most of the first ladies around Christmas would invite our wives and children down for a Christmas party. Miss Eisenhower used to give all the children a toy at Christmas.
[Lothian:] Toys, ties, paintings.
[Allen:] These two paintings here were done by President Eisenhower. He'd be out there on the porch and Mr. Ford, Miss Ford would call and say, hey, Gene, the president wants to talk to you. You know. They were nice people.
[Lothian:] Nancy Reagan and her tough as nails reputation seemed to have a soft spot for Allen, even if her personal attention sometimes rattled him.
[Allen:] She was looking for him and somebody said that
[Lothian:] She's looking for you.
[Allen:] Yes. Somebody said the first lady's looking for you. He's like
[Lothian:] I'm in trouble, right?
[Allen:] I'm in trouble.
[Jane Fonda, Plays Nancy Reagan:] I'd like to invite you to the state dinner next week.
[Whitaker:] I'm going to be there, Mrs. Reagan.
[Fonda:] Not as a not as a butler, Cecil. I'm inviting you as a guest.
[Lothian:] He became emotionally attached to all the first families, but especially the Kennedys.
[Unidentified Male:] A proud banner is lowered.
[Lothian:] John F. Kennedy's assassination rocked Allen to the core. [On Camera] That was the first time you saw your father cry?
[Allen:] The first time. The first time, yes.
[Lothian:] Following JFK's funeral, Allen was with Jackie as she celebrated her children's birthday. In times of mourning or in the midst of the nation's racial conflicts or a controversial war, Allen was just a step away from power, yet the butler never sought attention and years later shunned multiple offers to tell or sell his story, until his wife passed away.
[Allen:] I said you owe this to mom, man. I said this is not about you. The fact that my mother wanted my father recognized and this happened means everything to me.
[Lothian:] Dan Lothian, CNN, reporting.
[Tapper:] Long after he retired, Allen got the chance to vote for an African-American for president. He later was a VIP at President Obama's inaugural. The only inaugural he ever attended. That's it for THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. I turn you over to Wolf Blitzer in THE SITUATION ROOM.

[Isha Sesay:] An unhappy anniversary. One year has passed since Iraq's strategic city of Mosul fell to ISIS. Tonight, we're live in the capital Baghdad where Iraqis fleeing the violence are flocking to. And on the front lines with Iraqi forces.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] As you can hear ISIS are very close.
[Sesay:] CNN's Nick Paton Walsh takes us to a battle against ISIS in an exclusive report. Also ahead, lashed for words, Saudi Arabia's supreme court upholds a 1,000 lash sentence against blogger Raid Badawi. We'll look at what's next for him and the state of human rights in the kingdom.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN Center, this is Connect the World.
[Seay:] Hello, everyone. We begin in Iraq where one year after the fall of Mosul, Iraqi forces are locked in battle with ISIS to recapture territory from the militant group. There have been conflicting reports over who controls Baiji, a town whose oil refinery has been a frequent battleground. The United States believes only half the town is in Iraqi hands while Iraqi officials tell CNN government forces have retaken most of the town's refinery. It comes as the country marks one year since ISIS took control of Mosul, Iraqs' second largest city, its fall last year was a blow to the central government, which is struggling to contain a sectarian divide. Well, Ben Wedeman is in Baghdad with the very latest and joins us now. Ben, one year on and Mosul is still in the hands of ISIS. Where do things stand with a counter offensive to retake Iraq's second largest city?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn International Correspondent:] They're still in its very early stages, preparations for retaking Mosul. Now earlier this year, we did hear an American official talking about a late spring offensive to retake the city, but of course now we are in June and there's no sign of any imminent action. Now, the Iraqi government has assigned a general for this particular task. They're talking about moving on the city, but really their hands are already so full. First of all, now they're trying to retake Ramadi, which fell to ISIS on the 17th of May. As you mentioned, Iraqi officials say at this point Baiji, they control almost all of the city, it's just the northern suburb of Mohundasine where they say they're encountering some resistance. But their progress, as is so often the case, is being slowed down by booby traps and snipers and other things left behind by ISIS. But, you have to keep in mind that they need to clear Baiji. They need to sort of stabilize the situation in the area south of Mosul before they can even seriously consider any move on the city itself. And as, of course, Iraqis wait for that offensive to happen, more than a million people have fled Mosul as it is. Today, we spoke to some refugees here in Baghdad from Iraq's second largest city and they are extremely pessimistic. These are Christian refugees living in a school that's now become a refugee camp. They say that they've almost given up hope that they can return in the near future, some of them have spent months in refugee camps, in tents, in the northern part of the country before coming to Baghdad. One man told me simply the chances that he's going to return home at this point are one in a million Isha.
[Sesay:] And Ben, these are the lucky ones that have managed to flee Mosul. One year on, what are we hearing about the conditions inside the city?
[Wedeman:] Well, what we understand is that ISIS with now a year in Mosul has really been able to take control of the city. They try to make it function. ISIS oftentimes puts out propaganda videos and photographs of restaurants and public parks trying to show that life is normal, but all accounts coming out of Mosul would indicate it's quite to the contrary, that ISIS has absolutely no tolerance for any form of dissent whatsoever. The economy apparently is in shambles at the moment, that many people, as I mentioned before, have left because life is simply unbearable, particularly for minorities Shias, Christians, Yazidis, Kurds who are bearing the brunt of much of ISIS's ethnic cleansing campaign, so to speak, in that part of the country. So, the situation in Mosul extremely difficult. And it's only going to get worse the longer that group is able to maintain its control of the city.
[Sesay:] CNN international correspondent Ben Wedema joining us there from Baghdad. Ben, always appreciated. Thank you. Now, Iraqi forces have been gathering near Ramadi preparing, we're told, to retake the city from ISIS. The Habbaniyah military base is playing a key role in the assault as a staging ground for those troops. CNN is the first western television network granted access to the base since the fall of Ramadi last month. Iraqi military officials insist they are holding back the militants, but complain bitterly at what they say is a lack of coalition air support. Nick Paton Walsh reports from the front lines.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Along edgy road, leads to the Iraqi base at Habbaniyah, the closest the military has taken western television towards Ramadi since it fell to ISIS. Huge, sprawling, it's meant to be where soldiers and militias, both Sunni and Shia, are amassing to retake Ramadi from ISIS. But we're told they're mostly deployed outside. And here, it is the Iraqi army along the northern edge of their base in a vicious front line with ISIS along the river. ISIS have blocked a dam upstream to lower the tides and help them attack. Well, it is minute by minute here. The situation can change, and that riverbed very much the front line. They've been using water from the lake to keep its levels high, but still as you can hear, ISIS are very close. They see and watch ISIS daily, but say they are overlooked by coalition airstrikes. "They're supposed to give us some support now from war planes," he says. "We're in control of the ground. What we need is air support." Here, caught between the ISIS towns of Ramadi and Fallujah. They face 1,000 ISIS they think. But here, he says, he sees only a few with long beards and a flag here. But soon, ISIS fire back. This is what happens when you poke that snake. They lead us out. This, the Iraqi army stronghold, where they speak of readiness and glory to come, yet seem busied by an enemy far too close. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Habbaniyah, Iraq.
[Sesay:] Well, ISIS militants are fighting to expand their reach across the Middle East and are now claiming significant new gains in Libya. They say they've taken over a power plant west of Sirte, releasing these pictures to try to prove it. ISIS also posted a statement on social media claiming their fighters now control the entire city as well. ISIS seized most of Sirte earlier this year. It's also claimed responsibility for attacks on hotels and embassies in Tripoli. Well, the chaos in Libya is fueling a spike in migrant journeys across the Mediterranean, allowing human traffickers to operate virtually at will. We're now learning the true extent of the crisis at sea. The United Nations says more than 100,000 people have made the crossing to Europe this year alone, risking everything for the chance at a better life. Far too often, though, the journey ends in tragedy. The UN says nearly 1,800 migrants died this year at sea. The vast majority of survivors are coming ashore in Italy and Greece. Our own Isa Soares went on patrol with the Greek coast guard to show us their search and rescue efforts.
[Isa Soares, Cnn International Correspondent:] The Helena coast guard have been patrolling the seas pretty much all night. The weather is not so good today, but we have come nevertheless across the dinghy. These five men arriving, rowing, as you can see paddling their way to Greece, the Hellenic authorities now I'm going to move slightly back. So they can actually move with them, trying to bring them on shore, to safety. The distance between Turkey and Greece is something like 6 kilometers. So for many, this is indeed a fast route. And what we have seen in terms of the people coming here, seems to be a lot more Syrians than before. They used to go to Italy via the Mediterranean, they're now coming here because it is so much quicker. Temperatures, as you can see, are not great. It's somewhat cloudy. The waters are somewhat choppy, too, but that's not stopping boatload after boatload of migrants from arriving here. The coast guards work tirelessly to make sure their number one priority is to have to make sure that they are safe. As you can see, it is very tough to bring them on board to safety trying to keep them here. But they have a phenomenal track record. And they are proud of it. They're now boarding the boat with very few belongings they had brought with them. We don't know the nationalities. We have asked them. We are not getting any answers. Clearly, very shocked. We have seen majority from Syria, some 70 percent, but also many from Afghanistan and Iraq. Many telling us this is just the tip of the iceberg. Isa Soares, CNN, near Kos in Greece.
[Sesay:] Still to come tonight, Saudi court upholds a lengthy prison term and public lashing for a blogger. We'll have the details in about 25 minutes. But first, a year after the fall of a major city to ISIS, Iraq still struggles against an insurgent enemy. We look at the U.S. search for a strategy and how it's provoking political controversy.

[Curnow:] That's the sound of heavy artillery fire in Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine's defense minister says pro-Russian separatists tried to advance on Ukrainian troop positions near the town of Marinka, but he tells the Reuters news agency that Ukrainian forces halted the advance. Observers say it's the worst fighting the region has experienced in months. Well, rescuers China are struggling to find survivors two days after a cruise ship capsized in the Yangtze River. I want to show you this animation. It shows the route the Eastern Star was taking when it overturned in the country's longest river. Now, more than 410 of the more than 450 people onboard are still missing. At last report, 14 survivors had been rescued, and 26 bodies recovered. Let's get an update from our David McKenzie. He is in Jianli County in China. Hi there, David. We were just hearing that rescuers were trying to drill holes in the hull. Give us some sense of what's happening there with the rescue operation.
[David Mckenzie:] Well, Robyn, the rescue operation is continuing. This hospital behind me there had hoped that there were many more survivors coming in, but the survivors have really not come in today, and it's a really grim task, though, with some hope left, that they might find someone perhaps trapped in an air pocket, deep air pocket, deep inside that hull on the Yangtze River. They've expanded the operation, the search operation, by more than a hundred kilometers down river of the vessel that overturned. That indicates to me just how far they're hoping potentially to find survivors and potentially those who have been lost. And, yes, they're drilling into the hull. They're cutting it open, trying to get divers in. There have been some amazing tales of people getting out, of being tapping and calling and even whistling from inside the hull, but it's been very difficult today to get answers and very little hope, in fact, on the scene, Robyn.
[Curnow:] I know that many families have got a lot of questions. There's some anger at the information that authorities are giving them about how this happened. Do we know I mean, I know it was a storm, some severe weather, but how did a storm overturn such a huge ship?
[Mckenzie:] Well, that's the question right now is, whether it was a storm or a tornado. According to some officials in China, how could it have lilted the ship over in such a fast way that the captain and the mechanic got off the ship, and, yet, so many people presumably are still trapped there? So that is the question. Why wasn't an alarm sounded? Why did the alarm come out from the shore so many hours later? It does seem there was an extreme event of weather on the scene, but we have spoken to some families here who are coming in now from neighboring cities to try and get a sense of where their loved ones are. Let's listen to one man.
[The Interpreter:] I have gone beyond the sadness. I am preparing for the worst while still holding onto hope. One thing I want to do the most is to see my mom.
[Mckenzie:] Well, certainly, that man, Mr. Woo, his mother and his aunt and his two uncles were on board that vessel, so they're all here trying to get any sense of what happened, and the anger and sadness is certainly rising, Robyn.
[Curnow:] Dave McKenzie, thanks so much. David there outside that hospital in Jianli Province. Thanks for that update. Well, a provincial Iraqi official tells CNN, ISIS has shut the gates of the Ramadi Dam. That will prevent water flowing to towns east of the city. Now the official says ISIS is planning to attack once the water level has dropped enough, and is also trying to, quote, kill people with thirst. The fall of Ramadi almost three weeks ago is why is but one recent example of the group's relentless drive. CNN's Jim Sciutto takes us back to when ISIS first appeared on our radar.
[Jim Sciutto:] When a few thousand lightly-armed ISIS fighters swept through Iraq a year ago, they caught Baghdad, the US, and the world off guard. Since then, the terror group has grown into an international threat with an alarming capacity for brutality. Executions meant to shock and horrify.
[Unidentified Male:] Our mass will continue to strike the necks of your people.
[Sciutto:] Spurred into action by ISIS'alarming advance, less than two years after he withdrew all US forces from Iraq, President Obama launched an ambitious air campaign. Deployed some 3000 US military advisors and trainers and vowed to wipe out the group.
[Barack Obama:] Our objective is clear. We will degrade and ultimately destroy
[Isil. Joe Biden:] They should know. We will follow them to the gates of hell.
[Sciutto:] But nine months after the campaign began, ISIS still controls hundreds of square miles of Syria and Iraq. Its map of control and influence virtually unchanged in the last several months and marked by new ISIS victories in Ramadi and around the crucial Baiji Oil Refinery. All this, in the face of an international anti-ISIS coalition comprising some 60 nations and Iraqi and Kurdish ground forces numbering in the hundreds of thousands.
[John Kerry:] ISIL continues to commit serious, vicious crimes, and it still controls more territory than Al-qaeda ever did.
[Sciutto:] Crucially, ISIS has already achieved the goal contained in its name, establishing an Islamic state. It runs hospital, schools, and a business empire with an estimated daily income in the millions of dollars, and ISIS fighters and supporters appear to be true believers, devout to the point that they would sacrifice anything for a terrorist group some compare to a cult.
[Unidentified Male:] They believe that are, you know, the true Army of Islam that is coming to save Islam. That also kind of explains their wiles and their brutalities as well. Anybody who stands in our way, this is what we will do to you.
[Sciutto:] Driven by that intense commitment, ISIS has shown a remarkable ability to innovate. To break through Iraqi defenses, it built giant suicide truck bombs on the hulks of US-made and US-supplied armored vehicles. Beyond Iraq and Syria, ISIS is now expanding its influence with armed affiliates in Libia, Egypt, Yemen, and signs of new support in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and ISIS has attracted more than 22,000 foreign fighters from a hundred countries, some 4000 of them Westerners including approximately 180 Americans.
[Unidentified Male:] If I were to say that we had it under control, then I would say that I knew of every single individual traveling, though, I don't, and I don't know every person there, and I don't know everyone coming back, so it's not even close to being under control.
[Sciutto:] Coalition members are holding an urgent meeting in Paris on the fight against ISIS but no urgent change to the strategy, and that is sparking disappointment from the Iraqi leader Haider Al-Abadi who said they he has heard a lot of talk of support but hasn't seen much on the ground. Jim Sciutto, CNN, Washington.
[Curnow:] Well, a new CNN and ORC poll shows most people in the US are not happy with President Obama's handling of ISIS. Sixty-three percent disapprove of his strategy, bringing down his approval rating by eight percentage points since February, but only seven percent of people surveyed say the situation in Syria and Iraq is the most important issue facing the US. And authorities in the US City of Boston are investigating the police shooting of a man believed to be radicalized by ISIS. Officers killed Usaama Rahim after he lunged at them with a knife which they later displayed to the media. There it is there. The 26-year-old was under surveillance as part of a terror investigation. He was approached after making several threats against police on social media. A second man has been arrested in connection with that case, and he's due to appear in court on Wednesday. Well, still to come here at the International Desk, using Gaza's Ruins as a means to a better life. How a group of young men are practicing the street sport known as Parkour, helping and hoping to get out and see the world. And the thrill of seeing wildlife up close can turn dangerous in an instant. We'll look at both human and animal behavior in safari parks. Stay with us here at CNN.

[Camerota:] Former President Jimmy Carter has added his voice to how to solve the Middle East crisis. He says it's time for the U.S. to recognize Hamas as a legitimate political group, rather than its current designation as a terror group. Alan Dershowitz has some strong thoughts on that. His latest book is "Taking The Stand: My Life in the Law." Alan, great to see you.
[Alan Dershowitz, Attorney:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] OK. Former President Carter's position is that the best way to end the fighting in Israel is to sort of legitimatize Hamas. Let me read to you what he wrote in this piece. He says: "The United States and the E.U. should recognize that Hamas is not just a military, but also a political force. Hamas cannot be wished away, nor will it cooperate in its own demise. Only by recognizing its legitimacy as a political actor, one that represents a substantial portion of the Palestinian people, can the West begin to provide the right incentives for Hamas to lay down its weapons." What do you think?
[Dershowitz:] Well, we already recognize Hamas. We recognize it as a foreign terrorist organization. And the law provides that providing any material support to a foreign terrorist organization is illegal and against the law. And
[Camerota:] Yes, but he wants it recognized as a political group.
[Dershowitz:] I understand that. But it is both political and military. What is its politics? Its politics let me read from its charter. It says: "Hamas has been looking forward to implementing Allah's promise, fight the Jews until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees which will cry, oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come out and kill him."
[Camerota:] Yes. That's a sticking point. That charter is a problem.
[Dershowitz:] Well, it's not only the charter, but its leader today talked about the blood libel, and said Jews use the blood of Christians to make matzah. They blame the Jews on all the problems in the world. And they have devised this horrible strategy of using children and babies as human shields in order to fire at Israeli civilians, force them to the tragic choice of either not firing back or trying their best to avoid civilians, but knowing that some civilians will be killed, and then showing the babies on television to turn the world's attention against Israel.
[Camerota:] And yet the constant bombing of Hamas targets in Gaza doesn't seem to have eradicated them. They haven't gone anywhere. Since 2006, when they were voted into office, they haven't necessarily been weakened.
[Dershowitz:] No, the mafia hasn't disappeared either. We negotiate with the mafia. We don't recognize terrorist organizations and give them legitimacy. The media is at fault here too. They sometimes present Israel, a democratic nation, and Hamas as morally equivalent. Israel plays by the rules. Israel tries its best to avoid civilian casualties. The difference is that Hamas uses its civilians to protect its fighters, whereas Israel uses its fighters to protect civilians.
[Camerota:] Yes, I have heard this argument before.
[Dershowitz:] Right.
[Camerota:] But, as a member of the media, I feel that I have to defend us and say that, don't we have to show 1,700 people, Palestinians, killed, 75 percent of them civilians? Don't we need to report on that?
[Dershowitz:] Well, what we you have to show is the empty areas in Gaza. Gaza is not the densest part of the world. It has many empty areas. Hamas could easily pick those areas from which to fire their rockets, build their tunnels. If they did that, there would be no civilian casualties. Israel would attack the military. The reason so many Israeli soldiers have been killed and so many Palestinians civilians have been killed is that's the goal of Hamas, to get Israel to kill as many Palestinians as possible so that the media will cover it.
[Camerota:] So, in your mind, until they change that charter that you just read from, there can be no legitimizing Hamas?
[Dershowitz:] It's more than the charter. Until they change their strategy and until they stop engaging in the double war crime of targeting Israeli civilians from behind Palestinian civilians, they have to be treated as a terrorist organization. Their tunnels have to be stopped. Their rockets have to be stopped. Negotiation? Yes. Recognition? They have to earn it.
[Camerota:] OK. We're going to debate this. If you will stick around, Alan Dershowitz, when we come back, we will bring in man who disagrees with Professor Dershowitz when it comes to Israel and Hamas. Reza Aslan says Hamas may be winning the public relations war, and maybe it is time to recognize them. He is going to join us next.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight. A well respected Army medic comes home from work to find his young wife dead, stabbed, knife wounds in her neck and torso, there in the family home. Bombshell tonight. Police hit a stone wall.
[Unidentified Male:] Say hi.
[Unidentified Female:] Hi.
[Unidentified Male:] Hi. Authorities are investigating the death of the wife of an Army medic who was found dead inside of her home.
[Unidentified Female:] With a knife wound to her neck. It could have been anybody.
[Unidentified Male:] What happened to Catherine Walker?
[Grace:] And tonight, cult leader Charles Manson hits the headlines again over three decades after a murder spree that shocked the nation, including the murder of actress Sharon Tate. Tonight, the Sharon Tate family furious mass murderer Charles Manson set to wed behind bars to a 26-year-old woman, a Manson groupie look-alike. Jail policy he will get to kiss the bride!
[Unidentified Female:] I am Charles Manson`s wife. Charles is not innocent because he sought out to influence others.
[Unidentified Male:] Killing spree that left seven people dead, including actress Sharon Tate.
[Charles Manson, Convicted Of Murder:] Do I look like I have remorse or fear about anything?
[Unidentified Female:] I hate to see any young person get sucked into this.
[Grace:] And to Tampa, a family rushed to the emergency room after chowing down on a steak from Walmart. Problem? The meat, bottom round steak, laced with LSD. Police say Mommy rushed to the hospital, gives birth prematurely. Now that`s a rollback! Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight, live, an Army wife found stabbed to death in her own home on a military reservation. As we learn, 38-year-old Catherine Walker found dead, a knife wound to the neck and torso. We join military police in the search for clues. Straight out to Brett Larson joining us, investigative reporter. Brett Larson, the husband comes home from work he`s a very well respected Army medic comes home from work to find his wife stabbed dead. What are the details? What do we know? Where was she in the home?
[Brett Larson, Investigative Reporter:] Well, she was just in the home, in the living room area. The husband had just returned. As you mentioned, he`s in the military. The two of them had had an argument the night before, but he says nothing it didn`t escalate to that point.
[Grace:] OK, what I want to do is go through the facts as we know them tonight. For those of you just joining us, a well respected Army medic comes home from work to find his wife stabbed dead. To Matt Zarrell. Do we know where she was in the home?
[Matt Zarrell, Nancy Grace Producer:] No, Nancy. Police are not releasing that exact information. But we do know that there were knife wounds, as you mentioned, to the neck and torso, and the husband, just as he came home from work, found the body in the very early morning hours.
[Grace:] Very early morning hours. All right, let`s talk about the body and what we can learn from the body. Matt, do we know whether the home had an alarm system that would have gone off if an intruder had come in?
[Zarrell:] No, we don`t, but cops do tell us there are surveillance cameras in the area of the home. But they won`t say how close exactly to the home they are.
[Grace:] Unleash the lawyers, Robert Schalk and Shireen Hormozdi. The problem, Robert Schalk, with surveillance video is, as we learned in the Chandra Levy case, very often, say every 72 hours or so, they repeat over. The video rolls over. And so whatever may have happened around the time that she was killed, Catherine Walker, that may have already been rolled over unless police moved quickly to get that surveillance video.
[Robert Schalk, Defense Attorney:] Right. Always a big concern whenever you`re dealing with surveillance video is whether or not it`s being saved on a hard drive versus being recorded over, like you said. But a lot of things need to be looked into here, Nancy. As Brett said, there was an argument the night before, whether or not there`s any text messages or e- mails that authorities can get their hands on...
[Grace:] Well, you know what? Before we start about the argument with the husband, right now, police are not lending that any credence because that is a very commonplace thing, to have an argument.
[Schalk:] I don`t see how you can just disregard it.
[Grace:] Well, of course, they`re not disregarding it. But as of right now, they have not named a suspect. Back to Matt Zarrell. Matt Zarrell, you`re saying that around the home, there is plenty of surveillance video. What more do we know? What do we know about the stab wounds themselves?
[Zarrell:] OK. So the autopsy concluded that Cathy died from stab wounds specifically to the torso and neck by a knife. And we`re still working to determine, Nancy, what exactly what type of knife it was, where the knife was found and the severity of each injury, which injury specifically caused her death. We`re trying to figure that out.
[Grace:] Everybody, it is an idyllic vacation spot where most people dream of going, and that`s just what she did. Catherine Walker gets married. Her husband`s stationed in Hawaii. He is a well respected Army medic. He comes home from work to find his wife stabbed dead. Joining me right now, medical examiner Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner, forensic pathologist out of Daytona Beach. Dr. Gallagher, what do you make of the injuries?
[Dr. Tim Gallagher, Medical Examiner, Forensic Pathologist:] Well, thanks for having me on the show, Nancy. One of the injuries that I`d be most interested in seeing is, does she have any defensive wounds on her body? Was she struggling? Or did this person come up suddenly and surprise her? So defensive wounds would be one of the things I`d be very interested in knowing about.
[Grace:] You know, another issue is the timing of when he got home. Matt Zarrell, you`re telling me he found her body in the early morning hours, and according to sources, he came straight from work. That suggests that he worked a night shift, had a night job, comes home and finds her in the early morning hours. As we know, crime goes up at night. What more do we know about their home, Matt? Do we know if they had a surveillance camera? Do we know if they had a dog that started barking? Do we know if there was a forced entry? Do we know if there was a burglar alarm that was set?
[Zarrell:] I can tell you this, Nancy, all of those questions you had, we have had for the investigators, as well. They`re not disclosing a lot of information. But here`s what I do know. They have police and K9 units out searching the area for evidence. They`re even combing in the grass behind the house. Soldiers are out there looking. And the military is handling this because it was on a reservation, but the residents in the area are concerned because they say that the gates to the area where everyone lives is not guarded 247, and they`re worried that someone could break into their houses.
[Grace:] OK, let`s talk about those gates, Matt Zarrell. I am taking it that there`s no surveillance on the gates, or we would already know that. So you`ve got gates that anybody can scale. They`re not monitored. Now the other residents are afraid. Now, police have not put out a warning to the neighborhood. There you see it right there. This is an idyllic area where people spend their whole life dreaming of visiting. It`s Hawaii. There at the Aliamanu base, Catherine Walker weds and they`re stationed here. The husband, a well respected Army medic, comes home to find her dead. Back to you, Matt Zarrell. Do we know if she was in the floor? Was she by the door? Was she in her bed? Had she been sleeping? What do we know, any other shred of evidence to help solve this riddle?
[Zarrell:] Well, I do have one piece of information, which is that a close friend of the couple has told a local station that the husband`s car was broken into five days before Cathy was found dead, and some of the items taken include the husband`s wallet, which you would think, Nancy, would contain their home address.
[Grace:] Joining me right now is Jessica Benson, a very dear friend of the wife, Catherine Walker. Jessica, thank you for being with us.
[Jessica Benson, Friend Of Victim:] Thank you.
[Grace:] Jessica, when did you learn of your friend`s death?
[Benson:] I learned I her sister called me on Sunday night to let me know.
[Grace:] And what were you told at that time?
[Benson:] I was just told that there was some very sad news, that Cathy had been killed, and that that is all that they knew.
[Grace:] At this juncture, no suspect has been named. Police apparently have hit a stone wall. You are seeing shots of Catherine and her husband, who discovered her body. Back to you, Brett Larson. Were there two stab wounds?
[Larson:] We know of yes, there were two stab wounds to the neck and torso, and that was what they the medical examiner, rather, concluded that the death was, in fact, a homicide.
[Grace:] To Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "DealBreakers." Bethany, that brings up two scenarios. One, a stabbing is very often considered a sweetheart murder, which is quite the dichotomy, the irony, sweetheart murder, because unlike a shooting or running somebody down with a car or even poisoning them, which is also an intimate crime in a sense, stabbing, you`re in very close proximity with the victim. They are probably fighting with you.
[Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst:] That`s right.
[Grace:] Also, the fact that this was in the home. That does not rule out an intruder, but it may suggest it is somebody she knows.
[Marshall:] It`s true, Nancy, because the neck and the torso I mean, whoever did this was looking the victim in the eyes. That suggests an intimate type of rage. And one of the things we know about homicide is that the feelings that lean towards homicide often occur in the context of intimate relationships. Think about it envy, jealousy, rage, the fear that the other person is going betray you or they have insulted you in some way. And that`s why we always look to intimates and family members first. And so from this standpoint, the timeline`s extremely important. But some people might actually have the illusion of intimacy, even if they`re not close to the victim. For instance, he was a medic. What if in his service his public service, he tried to save somebody`s life and was unsuccessful, and that brought about rage on a family member`s part, and someone attacked her out of some sense of vengeance towards him? So intimacy doesn`t mean an intimate.
[Grace:] And when we were talking about the killer possibly knowing her, we`re not point the finger at the husband. The husband was at work, we believe, at the time of the killing, but he had been at work. He gets home. He finds her body around 6:30 AM there in the home, stabbed twice to the neck and the torso. Back to Jessica Benson, a very dear friend of the victim, Catherine Walker. Jessica, what can you tell us about Catherine? What can you tell us about her marriage, if anything?
[Benson:] I can tell you that every time I have seen them I was at their wedding celebration every time I have seen them, they`ve always been happy. Any time that I talked to Cathy, she`s always mentioned that they were happy.
[Grace:] Have you spoken to the husband since the death?
[Benson:] Other than a Facebook message back and forth, no, I haven`t.
[Grace:] Did she, Catherine, ever discuss with you troubles in their marriage?
[Benson:] Never.
[Grace:] Now, see, I find that very telling. Out to Brett Larson, investigative reporter. If they had had troubles in their marriage, certainly she would have told one of her best friends.
[Larson:] Oh, absolutely. And the neighbors echo what this friend is saying, that this woman had a heart of gold, she loved doing community service. She was working with her church. She worked with young women. She sold essential oils. I mean, this is an all-around great person that you can`t you couldn`t say point the finger at someone per se that would say, I`ve got to go and take out this rage on her. And yes, no the neighbors have not said that their that the couple had ever fought prior.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn:] Tonight: is Tunisia, the Arab Spring's success story, at risk after terrorists target the parliament and a museum in the capital, killing 19 people, most of them foreign tourists? I'll speak to an MP who was evacuated in the chaos plus the country's representative in Washington. Also ahead, my interview with the emir of Kano in Northern Nigeria on fighting corruption and Boko Haram.
[Lamido Sanusi, Emir Of Kano:] The idea of Boko Haram or anyone that links up with ISIS is frightening, partly because these are groups that represent a lunatic fringe in Islam.
[Amanpour:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. I'm Christiane Amanpour. Gunmen killed 19 people at a museum in the Tunisian capital, Tunis; 17 of them were tourists. Tourists flock to the North African country in droves. People fled the museum and security forces moved in and ended a two-hour hostage standoff by killing two attackers. They were described by the government as "Islamists," but three of them remain on the loose, the prime minister says. Right now, Tunisia's parliament is meeting in a special session. Such an attack may, unfortunately, have been inevitable, as you can see in this map behind me, more people have traveled from Tunisia to fight in Syria and Iraq than from any other country, whether from the Arab world or Europe. But Tunisia, where the Arab Spring began, has largely been a source of hope for the region, enjoying democracy and peaceful transitions of power, a sentiment the Tunisians' then-president expressed to me back in 2013.
[Moncef Marzouki, Tunisian President:] I'm very, very confident. I think the Arab Spring which started in Tunisia will not die in Tunisia.
[Amanpour:] Will that hope stay alive or is it fading? Joining me now on the phone from Tunis is Meherzia Labidi, who was in parliament at the time of the museum attack. She's an MP for the moderate Islamist Party Ennahda. Ms. Labidi, thank you for joining me. Tell me what happened when you were in parliament.
[Meherzia Labidi, Tunisian Mp:] Indeed, today, is a day where the commission, different commissions are working in the parliament. So we are about 80 MPs, working in different rooms. Then we heard that there is a shooting. There is a sound of exploder [sic] and so we are asked out and the security told us that there is three or four guys. Now we are sure that they are for they are with the arms. They intrude and they are they've been shooting on the tourists who were getting from buses to enter the museum. And you know, the museum of Bardo and the parliament are in the same building, two different entrances, but the same building. So the tourists who were frightened and they were running in different directions, we opened the doors and we get them to enter to the parliament and to secure them. And in doing so, three of our employees were injured.
[Amanpour:] Ms. Labidi, this is obviously a huge, huge shock for Tunisia. I raised the question is the hope of Tunisia and this beginning of the Arab Spring, the success story, really, in your region, is that hope at jeopardy right now?
[Labidi:] No, no. We will not surrender to terrorism. We will not surrender to fear. Of course, we are very sad, very sad that our hosts our guests who came from different countries, 17 or maybe more of them have been killed. And this is not Tunisia. And terrorism, we fight it altogether. Today, we've united, one voice, all MPs, all political parties, media, citizens. We are all backing our army and police force to get rid of terrorism. Now we will succeed. we are firmly, firmly have the intention to reject terrorism, to fight it and we will not surrender. We will succeed.
[Amanpour:] You sound so determined and hopeful. But tell me, then, what happened in Tunisia? Why is it that, for instance, more Tunisians than from any other country are joining the fight with ISIS and others in Iraq and Syria? Why from your country?
[Labidi:] Yes. Well, I think this is the inheritance of the past. During the two past decades, there is no real culture of religion or culture simply, not only on religious matters. And this has deprived our youth from, let's say, self-defense against these ideas, which are extremist and against manipulation. And we have not only to develop a security answer to terrorism, but also an educational answer, culture, restore dialogue and let's not forget that of course many I think more than 3,000 youths went to Syria. But we have prevented, I think more than 9,000 to go. And we are welcome them to this freedom, to tell them that life in Tunisia, life in democracy is better when than what some people try to sell them and saying that you have to be jihad. There is no jihad, apart the jihad, let's say, bettering the self and bettering our country and implementing democracy. We have really to work on the cultural level and development of ideas
[Amanpour:] Yes, you have you have a
[Labidi:] development.
[Amanpour:] you have a very challenging road ahead. We wish you good luck, officer. Mehrezia Labidi, MP from the moderate Islamist Party Ennahda, thank you for joining me at parliament right now. And now joining me from Washington, D.C., is Kais Darragi. He is the charge d'affaires at the Tunisian embassy. Thank you for joining me. Can I just build on what Ms. Labidi has just told me about what went down today? Do you, does the government know who these killers were? Who exactly are they?
[Kais Darragi, Charge D'affaires, Tunisian Embassy:] Two of the killers have been killed themselves. And their identity has been revealed. But we cannot speculate right now about their affiliation, but we can stipulate and say that it might be the Okba Ibn Nafaa Brigade or Ansar al- Sharia, the two terrorist organizations that have merged in 2014 under the leadership of the Algerian, Abou Sakhr. That might be a possibility.
[Amanpour:] So isn't this the same group whose Libyan branch was responsible for the Benghazi attack, the attack on the ambassador, Chris Stevens, there?
[Darragi:] There is solid ground to believe in this possibility. But I think we have to let investigation take its course and we'll find out who was responsible for this attack.
[Amanpour:] And why I did ask Ms. Labidi this, and she answered from her perspective; from your perspective and the presidential perspective, why has this spike of terrorism happened right now?
[Darragi:] It's quite understandable and expected. I mean, Tunisia has been a symbol of democracy and enlightenment in the region. And we have won the battle of ideas against these marginal and extremist groups. They cannot be integrated into a democratic process; they are not interested in democratic debates and democratic processes. So they resort to violence. That's the only kind of weapon they have. The Tunisians are determined to respond to this violence by applying the weapon they most fear, that is liberty and democracy. We persevere on this process, on this track. And that's the only way to win this battle against terrorists who would like to derail the process. But Tunisia is fulfilling its promise and it will remain a beacon of democracy and hope for the whole region.
[Amanpour:] Well, you say it's not surprising, but of course everybody is surprised precisely because of Tunisia's smooth transition since the Arab Spring and its elections and its handover of power in a way that was democratic. So people are worried. And Tunisia is a place where, unlike many of the other North African countries, you have you have tourists still flocking to you. Do you think that's, you know, this is going to put more pressure on your already fragile economic situation?
[Darragi:] That's even another reason to make Tunisia more valuable. I mean, if you look at the targets of this terrorist attack, they have been - attacked two symbols, two major symbols of Tunisia, the Bardo Museum, which is an embodiment of Tunisian culture, of Tunisian history, of Tunisian openness, and mingling point of different civilizations. That's something they hate. They hate culture. And the house of parliament, which is the embodiment of the sovereignty of the people, which is the emanation of free and democratic elections that were celebrated everywhere. So by attacking these two targets, they are showing their despair and their desperate attempts to derail this process. But if you see reactions today in Tunisia, it started from anger and then formidable stance of national unity. That's how we are going to win this battle. Tunisia will prevail. Democracy in Tunisia will prevail.
[Amanpour:] What about the those who lost their lives and who were injured today? Can you tell me more about the nationalities of those who were killed today, the tourists?
[Darragi:] We have unfortunately some tourists who have been killed, some Tunisians, too, two Tunisians, too. Our thoughts and prayers go to their families, to the family of the victims, those who are dead and those who were injured. But the information we have so far is that we have some casualties among Italian tourists, Spanish, Polish tourists. That's for the moment. That's the kind of information we have.
[Amanpour:] Kais Darragi, charge d'affaires at the Tunisian embassy in D.C., thank you very much indeed
[Darragi:] Can I just say a word about the solidarity we have found within the U.S.?
[Amanpour:] Go ahead briefly.
[Darragi:] We were really overwhelmed with expressions of support from the White House, from the State Department, but most importantly from ordinary citizens of the U.S. We have received so many calls, particularly one from Boston, one who survived the attack on Boston and who was very much on the stance that this is an international battle, that this is a battle of values and that we will have to win it together. We thank all Americans for their support. And we should not all give into fear. Thank you very much.
[Amanpour:] Beautifully said. Kais Darragi from the Tunisian embassy in Washington, thank you very much for joining me. And after a break, we turn from terror in Tunisia to Boko Haram's war on Nigeria. But first, a cry for mercy and justice in Pakistan as this man faces the gallows for a crime he says he was tortured into admitting when he was just 14. Shafqat Hussain has spent 11 years on death row for the murder of a 7- year-old boy. His family's appealing to the courts for mercy; his mother hasn't seen him in 10 years. And just as we've come on air, state television in Pakistan is reporting a stay of execution. The execution was due tomorrow morning. But Hussain still doesn't know his ultimate fate. When we come back, Nigeria's struggle with Boko Haram and corruption. I speak to the man who's taken on both, the emir of Kano. That's next.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back once again. Historic American shutout yesterday, Russia, South Korea and Italy all taking the podium in Olympic free skating. It's the first time since the 1930s that the U.S. team failed to medal in either the men's or women's singles skating. Folks are questioning some of the scoring including American Ashleigh Wagner who finished seventh. She said the sport needs to change its anonymous judging. A lot to discuss. Joining us live from Sochi is Sally Jenkins, sports columnist for the "Washington Post." Sally, I have to tell you. I've really enjoyed reading your columns while you've been in Sochi. You really put an interest twist on it all. I've got to get your take on what happened in figure skating. The first time that we haven't been on the podium since the '30s, you were there for it all. The surprise win by the 17-year-old Russian, what happened?
[Sally Jenkins, Sports Columnist, "washington Post":] Well, the judges preferred her for whatever reason and not just by a little, by a lot, which is I think why some people are really questioning the scoring. The difficulty is the judges are anonymous. You don't know who did what to who. So there are organizations in skating calling for more transparency. I think the general consensus is it would be useful.
[Bolduan:] Do you think the people who made the podium that it was the right people to make the podium from your estimation?
[Jenkins:] I I do. I think the three skaters who made the podium were clearly a cut above and again you know, the Americans got shutout, but what I saw that the American skaters while terrific, they kind of go one, two, three jump. And the greatest skaters in the world right now are flowing through their routines. There's a faultlessness to their skating and also an artistic expression that the American kids don't just quite have yet. Gracie Gold came closer than anyone. She is clearly, you know, a comer. She is coach by the great Frank Carol, who has dramatically improved her performance. They still have a little way to go compared to the women on the podium.
[Bolduan:] Yes. And I also want to get your take on what happened in hockey. I was watching the women's hockey match yesterday. I guess for many it's less about the medal and it's really all about bragging rights when it's U.S. versus Canada. Do you think the U.S. women's team lost the game or did Canada outplay them?
[Jenkins:] I think they clearly lost the game. When you have a two- nothing lead with 3 minutes to go, you've lost the game, you gave it up. It's deeply personal between the Americans and the Canadian women, deeply personal. Two of their pre-Olympic competitions ended with brawls on the ice. You can tell from the expressions on the American women's faces in the handshake line. It was a very cursory handshake. They are just no love lost between those two teams.
[Baldwin:] So what are you looking at for today trying
[Jenkins:] One of most epic rivalries in all of sports. Well, you know, the Americans have been so surprised that everybody really thought the Russian team was the team to beat her and it turns out to be Team
[Usa. Bolduan:] I can't wait to see it. It's going to be fun, and of course, a lot of the teammates in the NHL that are playing against each other when it comes to U.S. and Canada. So that's great fun to watch as well. Got to get your take because you have been critical on kind of how the games have gone off. Closing ceremonies are Sunday. You had this great line that I've been reading over and over again. This was the wrong place for the Winter Olympics, for all kinds of human rights reasons. It may also have been a dangerously idiotic one for the competitors based on the quality of the snow. At the end of the day in what you've seen since you've been there. Would you call this Sochi Olympics a success?
[Jenkins:] Well, you know, it depends on which factor you look at in terms of success. It was a success for Vladimir Putin in terms of keeping everyone safe because of all the pre-Olympic terrorism threats. That's a success. In terms of their readiness and preparation, they get an F, because I mean, there there's raw mud and gravel at so many of the venues and hotels around Sochi. On the other hand, it's a very unusual, you know, beautiful spot to have an Olympics. But then again, it's 60 degrees. When you see downhill skiers, Alpine skiers kicking up plumes that look like water skiing, that's not the picture of the Winter Olympics that you'd necessarily want. It depends on which specific area you're grading Sochi on as an Olympics. The main thing is that so far, everybody stayed safe. And that of course was the most important thing of all.
[Bolduan:] I think you're right. I did get a kick out of it when you said the local for the Olympics ought to be a stretcher because there have been so many injuries on that slushy mashed potato-like snow.
[Jenkins:] It wasn't the number of injuries, but the severity of them. We have a Russian young woman who is in the hospital with a broken spine. We had people who had bad concussions, bash their faces, cracked helmets. You know, the wet conditions created the situations where skiers came to these abrupt halts and go flying in the air, and took some pretty bad spills.
[Bolduan:] Sally Jenkins, it's been great to read your work while you were over there. Thanks so much for giving us the time this morning.
[Jenkins:] Thank you.
[Bolduan:] Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, coming up on NEW DAY, a personal apology from Barack Obama to an art history professor from Austin, Texas. What did the president do wrong? The professor he offended joins us live and we'll have a debate about what degrees really matter these days.

[Blitzer:] Welcome back. We're following the breaking news here in Washington, D.C., over at the U.S. Navy Yard. A shooting incident occurred a few hours ago and there are multiple fatalities, we're told multiple injuries. And potentially one of the shooters we're told one shooter is deceased, according to the D.C. police chief, potentially two others at large, although it's unclear whether or not that is accurate. Cathy Lanier suggesting that. She's the D.C. police chief. We have this eyewitness account of what happened over at the U.S. Navy Yard.
[Patricia Ward, Witnessed Shooting:] I heard the girl that was with me, I said somebody's shooting. So we just started panicking. And then we heard the shots, one, two, three, four and then we
[Unidentified Male:] You heard four shots?
[Ward:] Right. After that one lady was like, let's just stay here in this in the cafeteria behind the kitchen.
[Unidentified Male:] So what kind of work do you do over there?
[Ward:] I'm an emergency management specialist.
[Unidentified Male:] So you heard actually seven shots?
[Ward:] Yes, those are the seven shots that I heard.
[Unidentified Male:] And what time?
[Ward:] That was about 8:20 this morning.
[Unidentified Male:] Right.
[Ward:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] And you don't know who pulled the fire alarm?
[Ward:] I don't know.
[Unidentified Male:] What floor were you on?
[Ward:] I was at on the main floor of the cafeteria.
[Unidentified Male:] OK.
[Ward:] The shooting took place on the fourth floor.
[Unidentified Male:] And did anybody yell out anything other than "they're shooting"?
[Ward:] Everybody knew it was a gunshot. Nobody screamed. They just started running, running.
[Unidentified Male:] Right. And you ran out yourself or
[Ward:] Yes. Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] OK.
[Ward:] Yes, yes.
[Unidentified Male:] Got it. You said you heard a security guard saying something, giving order
[Ward:] Yes, when I when I was coming out running out the
[Unidentified Male:] What kind of security do you have to pass through to get in that building?
[Ward:] You cannot get inside I'm not going to show my name. But you cannot get inside the building unless you have this type of CAT card. A CAT card has got to be scanned. This is the only way you can enter the building.
[Unidentified Male:] The building or the complex all together?
[Ward:] The build the complex all together. Even when the doors are locked, they don't unlock till 6:30 in the morning. You can't get inside the building unless you have a CAT card.
[Unidentified Male:] And the shooting took place inside the building?
[Ward:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] And you said you actually heard the shots?
[Ward:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] They were upstairs on the fourth floor, though?
[Ward:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] But you heard them all the way in the lobby? Can you hold that up one more time. Thanks. Thank you. Is there a metal detector to get in the building?
[Ward:] No, there isn't.
[Unidentified Male:] Did you look up in the atrium? No no metal detector to get in the building?
[Ward:] No metal detector.
[Unidentified Male:] But onto the campus, right?
[Ward:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] No, just the
[I.d. Ward:] You need the I.D. to get inside the door if it's locked before 6:30. After 6:30, the locks come off. But in order for you to go through, you have to scan your badge.
[Unidentified Male:] There's no metal detector?
[Ward:] There's no metal detector.
[Unidentified Male:] And in this open atrium, did you look up and see anybody or anything? No?
[Ward:] And, you know, I had just left the ATM machine, so I wasn't thinking anything was going to happen. And then in the cafeteria, when we heard something sound that loud, that many times, it wasn't something that dropped on the floor. It was shooting.
[Unidentified Female:] I'm sorry, could you repeat, where were you when you heard the shooting?
[Ward:] On the first floor.
[Unidentified Male:] First floor.
[Unidentified Female:] Where is this actually where what building?
[Ward:] 197.
[Unidentified Female:] Where is it located?
[Ward:] It's the main building. It's the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters. It's the main building where our admiral runs.
[Unidentified Female:] What job do you have there?
[Ward:] I'm sorry?
[Unidentified Female:] What job are you doing there?
[Ward:] Well, actually, I work in building 201, but I was in 197 to go to the cafeteria.
[Unidentified Female:] OK.
[Ward:] Where I work at, I'm do logistic management work.
[Unidentified Female:] So what happened after you heard the shooting? What happens?
[Ward:] Everybody just started scattering out of the cafeteria. And I saw some people coming out of their offices running.
[Unidentified Female:] Running And how many shots did you hear?
[Ward:] At least seven. It was three the first time, but then it was quiet for about three seconds. And then pop, pop, pop, pop.
[Unidentified Male:] Ma'am, could you tell us the whole story through from the beginning to one continuous narrative?
[Ward:] OK.
[Unidentified Male:] So you were in there. You were getting cash from the
[Atm. Ward:] No, I had already went to the ATM that was in the cafeteria.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Ward:] I just paid for my breakfast.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Ward:] And I heard pop, pop, pop. And the girl that was with me, I said, somebody's shooting. And everybody in the cafeteria kind of panicked. And then it was three second break and then it was pop, pop, pop, pop and everybody started running. We just started panicking and running out.
[Unidentified Male:] The Navy Yard cafeteria?
[Ward:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] Patricia Ward, an eyewitness to what was going on over at the U.S. Navy Yard, specifically over at building 197 in the Naval Sea Systems Command. Mike Bouchard is joining us right now, he's a former official with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. I assume they're going to look closely at the weapons that were involved, Mike. Walk us through what your colleagues would be doing right now on the scene.
[Mike Bouchard, Former Atf Official:] Good afternoon, Wolf. Yes, basically what the police will be doing is any spent shell casings that they find throughout the scene, they'll be obviously preserving those for evidence. But they're looking they're trying to determine what caliber of gun the shooter may have used. If he was using a revolver, obviously those don't eject the spent shell casings like a semi-automatic does. But they'll also be working with the hospital also. Any of the bullet fragments that come from the victims, much like we did back in the beltway sniper case, they'll look at the bullets that come from the victims and try and ascertain what type of caliber it was was used. So that's where ATF's ballistics experts will be working very closely with law enforcement on that.
[Blitzer:] Because we've heard all sorts of accounts suggesting an assault rifle, a handgun, a shotgun. All of the above may have been used. They're going to be pretty precise in finding out all that information. And that would be critical as part of the investigation is concerned.
[Bouchard:] Certainly. What they're going to have to look at what law enforcement or security officers may involved if there was a shootout between both parties, they're going to have to ascertain which you know, who shot what bullets and where the shots came from, et cetera. So it's like putting the pieces of a puzzle together, but all the law enforcement agencies who are working on this have a lot of experience doing this. Unfortunately, I've done it numerous times. Unfortunately, they keep doing it more often than we'd like to see. So I'm confident they'll put this together very in a short time.
[Blitzer:] Because we have D.C. Metropolitan Police, we have military police from the Navy, other parts of the U.S. military from the Department of Defense. You have the FBI, you have the ATF. You have multiple agencies involved right now. I assume the FBI takes charge, is that right?
[Bouchard:] Correct. This is a federal facility and federal employees have been assaulted. So the FBI will take lead. Since it's a naval facility, NCIS will also work closely with them. And, of course, since its a homicide in the District of Columbia, the D.C. Police will have a significant role. All the other agencies, ATF and some of the others, are playing supporting roles. They have unique expertise like ATF does with ballistics or some of the others and they'll all play a supporting role for this task force.
[Blitzer:] We spoke to Lou Palumbo before and I he said they presumably are already going through some of the closed circuit TV cameras around there. You agree that would be critical right now to try to find out if it was one individual, more than one individuals. That would be pretty important information.
[Bouchard:] It certainly will. And the task force leaders, this is like an orchestra. There's so many moving parts. And what they're doing is having all these different parts, moving parts, going at once. Some are looking at video, other people are doing interviews, other people are collecting evidence, people are running down leads. All these things are coming together and they come back into one central command post and then the information is disseminated and they figure out what steps they need to do next.
[Blitzer:] Mike Bouchard will be helping us, from the formerly with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, ATF. Mike, thanks very much. We're staying on top of the breaking news here in Washington, D.C. A shooting incident over at the U.S. Navy Yard. Multiple injuries, multiple fatalities. Our coverage continues in a minute.

[Baldwin:] As you're hearing, all these reports investigators are saying the intentional downing of the German airliner, you might be wondering could more be done from the ground to keep pilot or terrorists from crashing a plane? In this case, prosecutors say the co-pilot, whose doctor deemed him unfit to work, activated the descent A website that tracts activation data says someone in cockpit reprogrammed the auto pilot to drop from what it was, attitude at 38,000 feet to that lowest number you can program it to, 100 feet. AS it turns out, technology does exist that would allow a plane to be control remotely from the ground, but that also poses its own set of challenges that we'll get into. I've got Tom Foreman with me, along with CNN safety analyst and former FAA safety inspector, David Soucie. But, Tom Foreman, you're up first with explaining to me one potential idea.
[Tom Foreman, Cnn Correspondent:] One potential idea is to say there's technology that can do this. It exists, and big names like Boeing, Google, BAE are all experimenting with this, and a lot of others are as well. The idea to control a plane and control it from the ground with the pilot there would have applications now, maybe in cargo planes, planes in hazardous circumstances, like hurricane hunter or flying into wildfires. The technology exists there. Extending this into passenger planes is really tricky, Brooke, because there are unanswered questions about how safe that would be.
[Baldwin:] So here is where I turn to you, David Soucie. I have to wonder, if you have the possibility to override, say for example in this case a, if you have the co-pilot turning the knob down to 100 feet. The person on the ground has the chance to override that and turn it back.
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] That's a complex thing to do. You have the weight of is automation doing the right thing or pilot doing the right thing. I buy on the side of the pilot. I see the need might exist. The pilot has to have the need to go down to 100 feet. If he can't, he may not be able to land at sea level, ever. So he has to be able to go to zero. If he's at a higher land and he says I want to go down, override it. What's the chance he does perhaps want to land and it overrides and he goes up into another aircraft's area? So that's one of a thousand different considerations.
[Baldwin:] I keep thinking of the Miracle on the Hudson. Captain Sully Sullenberger, really reaching into his pilot instincts and pulling that off.
[Soucie:] That was manual. I mean
[Baldwin:] That was manual.
[Soucie:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] Imagine someone on the ground saying, uh oh, and trying to override. Who knows what might have happened.
[Soucie:] Exactly right. It's like automatic brakes on cars, they bother me. If it brakes for me, and a car is coming this way, I want to get out of the way. I try to disarm those on my cars.
[Baldwin:] Foreman, jump in.
[Foreman:] You may be talking about two different things here, David. One is a fully robotic system that automatically does things. The other possibility is a human-based system that's not on the plane. Basically, you have ground controllers that say, if you have a plane doing something really unusual and won't communicate and tell us what's going on, then we take over. So Captain Sully Sullenberger can say, I've got an emergency and going to land on the Hudson. They say, go ahead. If a plane starts circling around towards Manhattan or Boston and it won't answer, they take over and say that plane is under our control and we're flying it somewhere else.
[Soucie:] And, Tom, Boeing developed one of these, not long ago, the Boeing uninterruptable auto pilot, the BLAP. But it told exactly what you just described. The FAA didn't approve it. They didn't want it because it created more vulnerabilities than it did better things. It's like the old adage that just because you can doesn't mean
[Baldwin:] You should.
[Soucie:] Right. And the reliability of this technology is still up in the air. We don't have the exact numbers out of the military with their drones but drones are having problems. The numbers look to me too high to be acceptable in commercial aviation at this point.
[Baldwin:] OK. Tom Foreman and David Soucie, thank you very much. Let me turn now to the focus of victims' of this tragedy because for some family members the southern French Alps may be their loved ones' final resting place. Lufthansa, which owns Germanwings, has commissioned flights and buses to the crash site for grieving relatives. The father of Robert Oliver Kalvo, one of three Americans on board, said, although he is grieving, he doesn't feel anger towards the flight's co-pilot.
[Robert Tansill Oliver, Father Of Victim:] I don't feel anger. I'm really sad for the father, the parents of that young pilot. I mean, I can't imagine what they're going through right now, as well as our companions here. They're all feeling, hurting. No, we don't feel anger.
[Baldwin:] As each day passes, we're learning more about the lives lost on this flight. Carol Friday was a maternal health nurse from Australia. Paul Brandley had finished first year of college in the U.K. Maria Radner and Oliver Rajec were two very accomplished German opera singers.

[Chiou:] You are watching News Stream. And you're looking at a visual version of all the stories we've got in the show today. We have already told you about the controversy surrounding China's newly declared air defense zone. Later, we'll bring you reaction to the pope's call for change in the Catholic church. But first, let's go to the Thai capital of Bangkok. Anti-government protesters there are continuing their push to remove prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra. Part of that is a debate underway right now in parliament. Lawmakers are considering a no confidence motion as the opposition tries to bring down the government. A vote is expected tomorrow, Thursday, but given her party holds a majority there is very little chance that motion will actually succeed. Let's take a look at some of the sites where protesters have been gathering in the past couple of days. Demonstrators are still occupying the finance ministry building that they stormed on Monday. It is located in central Bangkok not far from parliament house and many of the city's popular tourist attractions. The agriculture and interior ministries were also surrounded. Red-shirt supporters of the government are staging their own protests gathering at a football stadium about 12 kilometers away. And today the department of special investigation became the latest target of anti-government protesters and that's where our own Anna Coren filed this report.
[Anna Coren, Cnn International Correspondent:] In the latest show of political turmoil here in Thailand, thousands of people have taken to the streets in Bangkok demanding the resignation of Thailand's prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her government. They say that she is just a puppet for her older brother Thaksin Shinawatra who was ousted from power during a military coup in 2006. Well, these protesters say they want an end to the Thaksin regime and an overhaul over the Thai political system.
[Unidentified Female:] I'm [inaudible] that Thailand to be red, yellow, I don't like it. I think [inaudible], you know, we have three colors blue, white and red together, not red, not yellow. It is together, same color, it's Thailand.
[Coren:] Well, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is refusing to go anywhere, instead calling for dialogue to end this political crisis. She has, however, given authorities more power to deal with these demonstrators, although insists that no force will be used against these people. It was a different scenario back in 2010 when at least 90 people were killed during street protests that lasted two months, shutting down parts of Bangkok. Well, so far these demonstrations have been peaceful. No acts of violence have been reported, and that is something that prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra desperately wants to avoid. Anna Coren, CNN, Bangkok.
[Chiou:] Now we move on to the situation in Syria. As the civil war continues to devastate the country, another crisis is unfolding there. After the break, we'll tell you why the World Heath Organization is raising the alarm about the reemergence of a deadly virus that's spreading.

[Costello:] General Motors facing criticism for waiting more than a decade to recall cars that had a fatal design flaw, 13 deaths are linked to faulty ignition switches in 2.2 million vehicles. GM's CEO is testifying on Capitol Hill. Later this afternoon but just moments ago victim's families spoke to reporters to demand change. They want answers. CNN's Poppy Harlow live on Capitol Hill to tell us more. Good morning Poppy.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Hi. Good morning Carol. This press conference, it went for about 40 minutes, just wrapped up. It was kicked off by a number of lawmakers. You heard from Senator Blumenthal of Connecticut, also from Senator Ed Markey, calling frankly for a victim's fund to be set up. Also calling on GM to take all of these cars off the road, not allow people to drive them until they are fixed, frankly. That is something that GM has not done yet. But then we had a chance to hear from the family members. People that had lost loved ones, some of them wearing T-shirts saying, "protect our children" and also holding pictures of the loved ones they lost. We do know up to this point that this ignition switch failure caused at least 31 frontal accidents and 13 deaths. That number could go up. I want you to take a listen to some sound from Samantha Denty, this is a 20-year-old from Toms River, New Jersey, who just spoke at this presser about driving one of these cars that they believe had this ignition problem and just how traumatic going through this experience twice for them was. Listen.
[Samantha Denty, Owner Of Recalled Gm Vehicle:] When my mother and I decided that this car was surely a death trap in the game of what if and what again, we are not ones who are willing to play anymore. Driving this car was like playing a game of Russian roulette with my safety and that of my friends. I can't begin to explain the fear and confusion that runs through you that moment you have no control over your car. I cannot comprehend the loss that these families are going through. My hope is that the horror stops right now.
[Harlow:] A few important things to know. First of all, Mary Barra, who is the CEO of General Motors. She has been in office there at the helm of the company for just about three months. She will testify at 2:00 p.m. today but she met with victims families last night. I'm told by General Motors, about 20 family members she met with in a room at General Motors office here in D.C. last night. They are not releasing details of that meeting but we do know that they met. I can also say that GM has come out and apologized numerous times for this saying that they will accept responsibility. In terms of the testimony, we are going to hear from the General Motors CEO today. We do have some of the prepared testimony. She will say, "I cannot tell you why it took years for a safety defect to be announced. But I can tell you that we will find out." The bottom line, lawmakers on this House committee want to know why General Motors knew about this problem as early as 2004 and did not come forward with that information until a decade later. Also, facing some tough questions from lawmakers today will be the acting director of NHTSA, basically the government agency that is tasked with protecting people on the road that hearing kicking off here in just about three hours' time.
[Costello:] Yes, the National Transportation Safety Board is supposed to protect us from things like this, correct? Something went wrong there. Maybe we will find some answers later this afternoon. Poppy Harlow reporting live from capitol hill. The deadline for sign up of Obamacare has come and gain. Jim Acosta at the White House parses the numbers for us Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Carol. The President will be speaking later today on the latest enrollment numbers in Obamacare. I'll explain why coming up in just a few moments.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news this morning. Tornadoes tearing a deadly path through the south overnight into the morning. More tornadoes touching down just moments ago. Indra Petersons tracking these storms and who needs to be alert right now.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Could change soon be coming to the Los Angeles Clippers? In just a few hours, the NBA's set to make an announcement about its investigation into the team's owner and racist remarks caught on tape, as sponsors pull their support from the team. Is the NBA ready to hand its own punishment?
[Berman:] And breaking news overnight, an official ending to the surface search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, as investigators reveal new information to the families of those on board, playing for them the last audio recordings received from the cockpit of the vanished airliner. You're going to hear these recordings. We'll bring them to you live, just ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It's 30 minutes past the hour this Tuesday morning. There is breaking news this hour from the south, where more dangerous storms hit overnight. We've got watches and warnings up for a big part of the southeast right now. The death toll stands at 29 in six states.
[Berman:] Mississippi among the states worst hit. The entire state there is under a state of emergency right now, this after a tornado hit Tupelo, in the Tupelo area. At least 100 homes were damaged. At least eight people there now dead. You can see the impact. Cars just thrown around. Look at this SUV. It's lifted on top and placed right on top of another one. You can only imagine what it's like to try to ride out a storm like this. Some people did that about 100 miles south in Lewisville, Mississippi. Listen to this.
[Unidentified Male:] Stay here. Oh, my god. No, no, no, no, no, no.
[Unidentified Female:] Stop.
[Unidentified Male:] Stop. Everyone listen. Everyone listen.
[Romans:] Northern Alabama also struck by tornadoes that tore apart homes and businesses. At least two people are dead west of Huntsville, the result of what the National Weather Service called the large, violent twister. Another person was killed in Tuscaloosa. A major tornado also touched down just across the state line in Tennessee. At least two people dead there.
[Berman:] Very dangerous situation in Georgia, too. Take a look at this cell phone video from southwest of Atlanta, spotting a possible tornado on the ground. There's damage, though luckily no fatalities there. Fifteen Georgia counties are under a tornado watch this morning. Arkansas is cleaning up this morning and they're trying to make sure there are no more victims from the tornado that caused severe damage and at least 14 deaths in two towns west of Little Rock. Those who witnessed this storm call it just unbelievable.
[Bryant Pruit, Vilonia, Arkansas Resident:] It was huge. It was it was by far the biggest one I've ever seen, and not that I've seen that many, but yes, it was a it was just a huge, black cloud.
[Unidentified Male:] hen it just popped back up real quick and then I ran inside and about a minute it was over. I come outside and what you see is what we have.
[Romans:] Southeastern Kansas also affected when a two-mile-wide tornado marched its way through Baxter Springs, ripping the roofs off homes, knocking down walls. Amazingly there, no deaths reported. The governor is promising quick help for those victims.
[Unidentified Female:] I could have been in that. Could have been dead.
[Berman:] A few minutes, the difference between life and death in Keokuk, Iowa. A tornado dropping debris on that minivan. Luckily, that woman wasn't inside the vehicle yet. Another person nearby died from the storm that damaged, as you can see there, severe and extensive. Indra Petersons is tracking these storms, these storms with the threat not over yet this morning. We just heard a few minutes ago, Indra, of more twisters touching down.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, and of course this morning, we're still talking about this huge risk area. It's even gone farther, spread even wider today for severe weather. We're talking about 73 million of you under the gun for just the slight risk area. Where is that? That's in Detroit all the way through Virginia Beach, down into the south, so out towards Tallahassee, and going to be extending back to Louisiana. But today already another moderate risk, the enhanced risk is already out there from Birmingham to just north of Mobile, Alabama. This is going to be the concern, 2.5 million of you still looking at the threat for severe weather. Very easy to see, still looking this morning at tornado watch boxes, including Atlanta, just east of Montgomery, kind of just north of it looks like Panama City Beach. This is the concern, this line of storms already powerful this morning. Just a few minutes ago we did have a confirmed tornado. Easy to see. Once you let the sunlight in the afternoon, these storms really ramp up. Very easy to see yesterday. Eighty reports of tornado damage, especially in that focus area where we had that enhancement yesterday, even enhanced to all the way up to a high risk. Why are we still talking about the severe weather? It is such a slow- moving system. The reason for that is a huge low spinning in the northeast. This guy is pretty much blocking this system behind it. So this entire system almost staying in place. You had that cold front, you have all that warm, moist air coming out of the Gulf, really spawning up these thunderstorms into the southeast. That is the concern. So even as we go in through tomorrow, that same cold front slowly makes its way off to the east. We're still talking about advisories here from D.C. all the way down through Jacksonville for severe weather. The thing I want to point out, although the system itself is moving slow, these cells, these thunderstorms and tornadoes are moving very quickly, even as fast as 50, 60 miles per hour. So when you hear a warning, please adhere those warnings. You do not have much time. Still heavy rainfall at the other side of this. Three to five inches of rain, even through New York City today. What are we talking about? The next step is going to be some flood watches out there. And that's from New York City all the way back through Mobile. But that's the key thing. Everyone knows it's a slow system, but the tornadoes are not. Some very fast moving, do not have time. Go straight downstairs.
[Romans:] All right.
[Berman:] All right. Be alert. Thanks, Indra. Appreciate it.
[Romans:] All right. This morning there are more calls for the NBA to eject L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling in light of those racist comments he's alleged to have made to his girlfriend. More sponsors have now pulled their support of that team as the coach, Doc Rivers, admits he believes that it is Donald Sterling on these tapes, but he passed on a chance to speak to the owner about the controversy.
[Doc Rivers, Coach, Los Angeles Clippers:] These last 48 hours or more have been really hard for our players and for everyone, and I would just like to reiterate how disappointed I am in our in the comments attributed to our owner, and I can't tell you how upset I am, our players are.
[Kevin Johnson, Chairman, National Basketball Players Association:] When a hit of cancer is shown, you have to cut it out immediately. And I feel that's where the players are today. They don't think he's worthy to be an owner. So whether there's a sanction that includes a suspension, whether there's a sanction that includes a hefty fine, at the end of the day, the players feel very strongly that he's not fit to be an owner and a part of this NBA family.
[Romans:] The NBA commissioner is expected to make an announcement about its investigation at a news conference this afternoon. The Clippers play their next playoff game against the Warriors this evening. Warriors coach Mark Jackson, he's calling on fans to stay home to send a message to Sterling.
[Berman:] You know, maybe they won't have to. Maybe the NBA will step in, in time before that game to make some kind of dramatic announcement. Maybe the fans can go and support those players who have done nothing wrong, to be clear.
[Romans:] I'm interested in legally what the league can do if someone owns the team.
[Berman:] Murky. Murky. But it seems as if they can be suspended or they can put a lot of pressure on him to sell at some point.
[Romans:] Can they force him to sell?
[Berman:] Forcing is hard, it's very hard. The charter, the NBA charter is a private thing, but I think when all the sponsors pull out, when the players say I don't want to play for him, when the coach doesn't back him up, when everyone in the league makes him a pariah, I don't think he'll want to own that team for much longer. Let's move on now to the search for Flight 370, an official end to the hunt by air for this jet which has now been missing for nearly two months. The focus is now under water after officials acknowledge they need to search a bigger area to try to find the Boeing 777. This process now, they say, could take months. Miguel Marquez live in Perth, Australia. Good morning, Miguel.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning there, John. A lot of things happening all at the same time here. That air search came to an end today with the commemoration and farewell service for the many, many hundreds of air personnel from seven different countries that got together at Pearce Air Force Base Royal Air Force Base just north of Perth here to take a group photo. And it's a very impressive group photo, among the many planes that they used during this search over the many months. Personnel we spoke to, Americans talking to Chinese counterparts, very pleased to take part in this, frustrated, though, that they didn't come up with anything. As for the search for the plane itself, it will continue and intensify under water. The Bluefin will continue to dive, even though it's already searched 100 percent of the most likely area where they thought the airliner was. It will continue to search north of that. They will also target an area that is about 10 kilometers or six miles north of that area, where the first ping was picked up. And then they will also prepare for a much longer search that could involve a lot of different types of devices, probably towed-type devices, side sonar devices that they can get giant scans, very fine scans of the ocean, and that would be towed by ships that would take, you know, this is an area that's 21,600 square miles. It is going to take a lot of time. They say if everything goes perfectly, it could take eight months, but probably longer.
[Berman:] That is a very long time. Now, Miguel, officials have said they are following up now on every lead. We just got word a few minutes ago of a possible debris sighting that they're following up on now in the Bay of Bengal. That is not close at all to where you are.
[Marquez:] No, it's not close at all, and it's a bit of an odd one. This one has caught the Internet by storm overnight. There's an Australian company that claims to have found evidence of an airliner in the Bay of Bengal, mainly because they picked it up on by spectral analysis, basically. They have not shared any of their specific data. They say that they've written letters to the agency here coordinating the search and to the Malaysians, but they've had no response. Malaysians now saying they're looking into it. The Joint Agency Coordinating Center here, the main coordinating center for the search, says, look, it's not even in the radar track that Inmarsat gave us and we're not investigating it as serious, we don't think it's real, we're going to keep concentrating down here. We believe we have the right place down here. So it's not clear that this company, where their data is coming from and what it is, but the Malaysians now saying that they will look into it and figure out whether there is anything to it John.
[Berman:] All right. Miguel, thanks for shedding some light on that at least. Good to see you this morning.
[Marquez:] You bet.
[Berman:] Miguel Marquez in Perth, Australia. In Beijing overnight, families received a new briefing and new details about this investigation. Our Ivan Watson was there. He'll tell us what the families heard, ahead in just a few minutes.
[Romans:] All right, breaking news this morning. North Korea launching new military exercises, drawing a harsh warning from the south.
[Berman:] Plus, riots in the streets of Ukraine. Protests turning violent overnight. We're live with the latest, next.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] The clock is ticking on a Homeland Security shutdown. The Senate majority leader trying to find some middle ground. So, what does Mitch McConnell propose and can it satisfy all sides?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] And is this the woman who lured three British girls from home to join ISIS in Syria? A new focus this morning on the so-called ISIS bride as officials from Britain and Turkey try to find the missing trio.
[Berman:] Ice, freezing rain, ugly conditions look at that sent a plane skidding off the runway, trucks dangling from bridges. Yikes! And it's not just the Northeast, folks, also in the Deep South. We'll tell you the areas hardest hit this morning. Look at that.
[Romans:] A lot of flight cancellations again today, a lot of flight cancellations.
[Berman:] Good morning, everyone. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] And I'm Christine Romans. It is Tuesday, February 24th. It is 4:00 a.m. in the East. Nice to see you all this morning. New this morning: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell trying to break trying a new tactic to break, rather, the congressional stalemate over funding of the Department of Homeland Security after a fourth failed Senate vote Monday night on adopting the House's version of the funding bill. McConnell announced he will schedule a separate vote on blocking President Obama's executive orders on immigration. The Republicans and Democrats both expressing doubt whether McConnell can get such a measure passed by the end of the week if at all. If not, homeland security funding runs out Friday, sending non-essential DHS employees home, forcing essential employees to work without pay. CNN White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski has more on the effect of possible partial shutdown of the Homeland Security Department.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Hi, John and Christine. Well, now, for the first time, we hear the administration say that yes, it looks like this political showdown is heading for a shutdown for the Department of Homeland Security. For the first time, we are hearing the administration, in fact, the president himself spell out the cutting off funding for DHS will have a direct impact on national security. The reason that is interesting, for the past several days, it seems like the White House has gone out of its way to avoid using that language. When asked directly by reporters, what impact will this have, they would refer us to the Department of Homeland Security for more detail or they would say, well, it can't have a good impact on national security. But now that the president put it out there, they are giving a little more detail on how exactly this could affect our security. Things like having no funding for planning or local programs, also the fact that some 30,000 non-essential DHS employees will be furloughed. And even though they are called non-essential, overall, that could have a negative effect. The White House is, of course, blaming Republicans for this for tying funding DHS to trying to stop the president's executive action on immigration. The White House has called that irresponsible to toy with homeland security in this way, and they said, well, even though some of these essential employees of DHS will have to go to work and not get paid, they say Congress will continue to get paid for not doing its job John and Christine.
[Berman:] All right. Our thanks to Michelle for that. DHS funding not the only issue facing the White House this morning. President Obama is still seeking congressional authorization for the war against ISIS. But he is confronting rebellion with his own party over his request for a three-year authorization for the use of military force. The president's plan ban a, quote, "enduring ground operation". But many Democrats say they are weary of another war in Iraq. They don't want to give the president and more importantly, his successor, they say, a blank check. Later today, two meetings are set to give the president high-level feedback on the battle against ISIS. One of them is with the emir of Qatar, the other with Defense Secretary Ash Carter, who is just back from a trip to the Middle East. All right. The weather, it is nuts this morning. It was minus I took a picture. Minus 1 degrees when I got in my garage this morning.
[Romans:] It takes your breath away, just walking outside takes your breath away.
[Berman:] And here's the thing it's not just here in the Northeast. It's also the South getting hit by widespread school closures and icy conditions. Students from Texas to Arkansas to the Carolinas they will not be in school because of the whole region is expecting bone- chilling temperatures. Some places could get snow and freezing rain. To make matters worse, airlines have canceled more than 600 flights so far across the country. Look at this. A scary moment for passengers on American Airlines flight at Dallas Fort Worth International Airport. The nose gear slipped off the taxi way as the plane turned the corner. You see that point, the ice just made it slip off the runway. None of the 68 people on board was hurt. Another picture to show you. Look at that, icy conditions left this struck dangling off the overpass in Dallas. Wow! That is terrifying. The driver did manage to get out unscathed.
[Romans:] Wow. All right. Check out the scene in Flagstaff, Arizona. That's right, I said Arizona. You can see the flakes coming down hard there. The area could be slammed with up to 11 inches of snow. The region under a winter storm warning until 5:00 tonight.
[Berman:] In Maine, an SUV was submerged in the icy river wow pushed off a bridge. They say it may have been caused by an act of road rage. Three people are now hospitalized with hypothermia. Authorities say they are shocked that anyone survived.
[Deputy Al Winslow, Cumberland County Sheriff's Office:] Extremely lucky. With the temperatures and windchill and the temperature of the water, I'm amazed they were able to get out of the vehicle in time.
[Berman:] Investigators trying to figure out which driver was at fault and whether anyone will face charges.
[Romans:] And don't try this, please, please? An SUV caught on camera doing donuts in a mall parking lot in Dallas. Letting off the gas and sliding there. The driver was caught by mall security who let him go with only a warning. So, is there any relief in sight for the frozen South? Meteorologist Pedram Javaheri tracking the cold air and the possibility of snow for us, Pedram.
[Pedram Javaheri, Ams Meteorologist:] Good morning, John and Christine. Yes, on Monday, we had major disruption out of areas around Dallas and Dallas Ft. Worth Airport. All of that shifting off to the Southeast, now across Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson Airport, the busiest airport in the world, seeing some 300 flights preemptively cancelled on you Tuesday, wet weather pushing in, in fact. Some sleet reported across the Atlanta metro area into the early morning hours. And about 25 million people dealing with wintry weather across the southern United States where we have not had significant snow accumulations and certainly only get a couple of opportunities for you. It certainly looks like this time around, maybe one of those opportunity. Atlanta, winter weather advisory in place, working on into Columbia and Charlotte, with some sleet, some ice, some snow all in the forecast over the next couple days. If your travel plans take you across I-20, just east of Dallas, all the way to Atlanta, that is where the first bout of wintry weather mainly in the way of ice going to be possible, and then comes the snow showers. Some of the models at this point really want to keep everything north of Birmingham, north of Atlanta. Notice you get to the western mountains of North Carolina and we are talking significant snow accumulations. But regardless, at least some snow is possible and if you are heading to Arkansas or North Carolina, that looks the most likely area for heavy snowfall guys.
[Berman:] All right. Our thanks, Pedram, for that. Some explosive newly leaked cables indicate some discrepancy between what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the United Nations about Iran's nuclear weapons and what his own intelligence service was telling him. The source of the secret cables, Israel's Mossad intelligence agency via South Africa apparently. CNN senior international correspondent Nic Robertson tracking the latest developments live for us from London. Good morning, Nic.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, good morning, John. So, what you have here are documents that have been leaked to Al Jazeera network. They've been releasing this slowly with in conjunction with "The Guardian" newspaper. So, what are they seeing here on this memo that was sent to the South African intelligence agency. Well, in September of 2012, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a speech at the U.N. where he outlined how quickly Iran was trying to build a nuclear weapon, how close it was getting and the threat therefore. What we have a month later is a memo from Mossad to the South African intelligence agencies saying, well, actually, we don't believe that Iran is doing the necessary activity at this stage to make a weapon. It goes on to say that they are trying to close gaps in technology through legitimate civilian means. But if they were to make a decision, these closing of the gaps in technology, if they make a decision to build a weapon, then it would be so much shorter. Now, what we are hearing from Israeli officials is they are saying what this represents is no gap between the thinking of the Israeli prime minister and the head of the intelligence agency. We certainly know if we go back and read newspaper articles in 2012, there were some differences between the prime minister and the intelligence services in Israel. However, the Israeli authorities at the moment say that there was no difference. In fact, Iran, as the Israeli prime minister was saying at the time in 2012, was going on to produce more enriched uranium. It wasn't until the summer of the following years that with the agreement of European and U.S. nations, they decided to neutralize that enriched uranium John, Christine.
[Berman:] And, of course, the timing of this is all crucial given that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu comes to the United States to talk about the Iranian nuclear capability and negotiators are trying to hammer out the deal at this very moment. So, the timing is very, very interesting. Nic Robertson, thanks so much.
[Romans:] All right. The jury in Manhattan finding the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian Liberation Organization liable for six terrorists in Israel between 2002 and 2004 that left Americans dead or injured. The jury award of $218 million to dozens of plaintiffs automatically gets tripled under a special terrorism law. That means the damages are $655 million. The Palestinian Authority and the PLO say they intend to appeal this decision. They have not indicated whether they are able or willing to pay.
[Berman:] Pro-Russian separatists celebrating in Eastern Ukraine this morning. Rebel fighters cheer their victory over the Ukrainian army in Debaltseve. It was a festive rally on Monday. Many of them say they are energized to fight on and capture more territory in eastern Ukraine. For his part, Russian President Vladimir Putin is stressing his support for a cease-fire. In the interview, he calls the idea of a war between Russia and Ukraine unlikely. Some big political news here in the United States. Chris Christie broke his own law when he decided not to fully fund the state's pension system for public employees last year. That ruling came from the federal judge. It orders the governor to put $1.6 billion back into the system and says the governor cannot renege on its obligations to Jersey's teachers, firefighters and police officers. The governor's office says the plan to appeal the ruling. New Jersey is already facing a $2.7 billion revenue shortfall. And again, that man right there, Chris Christie, is considering running for president right now. So, this has national implications.
[Romans:] An apology from V.A. Secretary Robert McDonald for falsely claiming he served in the military Special Forces. McDonald was caught on tape in January, telling that falsehood to a homeless veteran. McDonald did graduate from West Point in 1975, completed Army Ranger training but he never actually served in a ranger battalion or any other special operations unit. The V.A. secretary says he has, quote, "no excuse" for this, quote, "misstatement".
[Berman:] Closing arguments could begin as early as this morning in the "American Sniper" murder trial. The prosecution is expected to call at least one more witness. The defense then has the option to call more rebuttal witnesses with the possibility of closing arguments happening immediately afterwards, that if the weather permits. Court was postponed on Monday due all the icy conditions and there is some more questionable other as you have heard on the forecast for today.
[Romans:] Time for an early start on your money this morning. Stocks in a holding pattern awaiting testimony from the most important woman in the world.
[Berman:] Christine Romans?
[Romans:] No, the Federal Reserve Chairman Janet Yellen.
[Berman:] My wife? Oh.
[Romans:] Those are the two most important women in your world.
[Berman:] Sometimes, she's awake. I almost totally got myself in big trouble there.
[Romans:] European and Asian shares mixed right now. U.S. stocks futures barely moving. It's early, folks. Fed Chair Janet Yellen testifies before Congress and her remarks could provide insight into when the Central Bank will raise interest rates and just exactly what she's thinking about the durability of the economy here and labor market. A big win for Google in the mobile payment wars. Google has a deal with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile to get the Google wallet payment app pre-installed on Android phones. Google Wallet let shoppers to tap a credit card reader to pay, much like Apple Pay. The service has been around since 2011, but has largely failed to catch on. This could be one of those important, important moves that allow it to be more mainstream.
[Berman:] I feel different already. Three British girls believed recruited by ISIS as officials try to stop them from joining the ranks of the terror group. This as renewed focus on a woman helping lure others to radicalism. Was she involved in this case? We'll have the latest, next.

[Berman:] We could on the verge of history in relations between the U.S. and Cuba. President Obama could meet face to face with Cuban president Raul Castro. We learned the two leaders got a jump on a possible meeting. They spoke by phone on Wednesday.
[Bolduan:] That's a huge deal when you think about the relationship between these two countries has been frozen for 50 years now. The White House is considering removing Cuba from the state sponsors of terrorism list. Let's bring in senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, who is in Panama, traveling with the president. Jim, we can say this means history but why would this mean history? How close is the White House to this decision do you think?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] I think they're very close to this decision. We were told earlier this week that the State Department's recommendation is expected to be that Cuba be taken off this list of state sponsors of terrorism. Only four countries on the list, Cuba, Iran, Syria and Sudan. It's not great company. The Cubans wanted off that list for a long time. It's a major impediment to the normalizing of relations. Cubans are demanding this be done to have embassies opened in Washington and Havana. But getting back to this historic encounter that we'll witness over the next this meeting that's supposed to occur between President Obama and Raul Castro. They spoke on the phone on Wednesday. They've been keeping a lot of this Cuba stuff under wraps. My sense is because we'll be getting a lot of news dumped on us about the latest on this relationship in the next day or two. But, yes, no question about it, if and when we have a picture of President Obama meeting with Raul Castro, they could be coming face to face tonight at meeting. But when they have a meeting when they sit down and talk about things, that will be something. I was at Nelson Mandela's service in South Africa when they shook hands. They spoke by phone in December of last year to talk about the reopening of ties. But nothing like this. This is going to be something else.
[Berman:] Jim Acosta, and John Kerry, our secretary of state just met with the Cuba foreign minister.
[Acosta:] That's right.
[Berman:] Jim, you were a young man. John Acosta, thank you. In Panama for us
[Acosta:] I was a very young man. You go it. Take care.
[Bolduan:] I'm going to speak in Jim's defense. Jim is a young man, John.
[Berman:] Our thanks to him for that. Ahead AT THIS HOUR, what a story out of California. A police beating caught on camera. This beating happened after a chase on horseback. What on earth is going on there? We have new details ahead.
[Bolduan:] But first, a young woman meets children living in poverty. She uses money she made while babysitting to provide them shelter and an education. Maggie Doyne is today's "CNN Hero."
[Maggie Doyne, Cnn Hero:] Most 28-year-old girls my age have a very different reality. A lot of engagements and first babies. I took a very different path. After high school, I decided to travel around the world with my backpack. In Nepal, for the first time, I really saw the effects of civil war and children and women suffering. And it changed me. There was one little girl, she was standing in a heap of garbage. And she said, "namaste." That means hello. And that was the beginning.
[Doyne:] I called up my parents and I asked them to wire me over my $5,000 of babysitting money. Time to get up. Morning.
[Unidentified Girl:] Good morning.
[Doyne:] We started with the home. Then we built a school. We select children who without us would not be able to go to school. A lot of them are begging on the streets. You've got it. We have been one of the top performing schools in the region for 350 children. And 50 of those kids live in our home. Our first priority is to keep a child with their family. And then in the severe case of a child who really has nobody, they come in to live in our home.
[Bolduan:] Those smiles say everything. Every week we honor a new "CNN Hero" like Maggie, everyday people going above and beyond to change lives every day. If you know someone who deserves this recognition, go to cnnheros.com and tell us about them, please.

[Pereira:] Italy's supreme court is expected to hand down a final ruling today in the case against Amanda Knox. If her murder conviction is upheld, Italy could ask for her back. What happens then? Let's bring in retired supervisory special FBI agent Steve Moore. He's in Los Angeles. Good morning to you. Nina Burleigh is national politics correspondent from "Newsweek" and author of "The Fatal Gift of Beauty." So there's so many pieces and parts to this. Chris is here with me. I think we sort of have to talk with the legality, we have to start with that, do we not?
[Cuomo:] Yes, it is a legal situation. I mean, Steve, you've been following the case very carefully. Confirmation by the highest court of this now conviction two times over would be very usual, right? It's unusual for, at this stage, there to be a departure of the most recent decision. So what do you think happens today?
[Steve Moore, Retired Supervisory Special Agent, Fbi:] Well, I unfortunately, I'm afraid that what they're going to do is just go ahead and convict her again. I mean the fix is in. The juror has already said from the last case that she was pretty much told beforehand what the verdict was going to be. So I'd fall off my chair if they didn't convict her. But right now they need Amanda actually needs a conviction from this court to go ahead and go to the European high court of human rights and get this thing thrown out.
[Pereira:] Nina, I'm really curious what you think this is about. Is it more about the evidence or is this more about a case of serious national pride?
[Moore:] This hasn't been
[Nina Burleigh, National Politics Correspondent, "newsweek":] I would say that it's more of a case of the magistrate's pride. The judiciary system in Italy is protecting itself as prosecutors and judges tend to do when they make mistakes in any country, but it's definitely what's happening here.
[Pereira:] So cover up to that point or more just
[Burleigh:] Well, I you know, Italy has laws that affect journalists who criticize judges. And there have been lawsuits filed against the family, there have been lawsuits filed against journalists and that's why people don't journalists would not use words like "cover up." But certainly there was bias, there was there was national bias, there's legal bias here, there's gender bias going on. And there, yes, there are problems with the police work as well. Absolutely.
[Cuomo:] Well, but the problem is, and you know both Steve and Nina will disagree with this supposition, but there was also a lot of proof that was pointing right at Amanda Knox and her boyfriend from the beginning and neither of them helped their cause with anything that they did. And at the end of the day, every legal system, even Italy's, yes, which is certainly flawed compared to the U.S. system, is about people. And, Steve, I know you're shaking your head. I know you don't like that supposition. But, the way they acted, the story they told definitely had holes in it that led to suspicion that led them down this road with prosecutors. Everybody's shaking their head, but, Steve, is that fair criticism or not?
[Moore:] No, I don't think it's fair criticism. I don't think it's educated criticism. If you look directly at this case and every detail, you will understand what I did. I went to try and prove Amanda guilty. And what I got out of this is there's no way she's guilty. You can say not you but the courts can say anything they want about Amanda, and if everything they said is true then, yes, she's guilty. But nothing they've said about her is true. So based on what you've heard from the Italians, yes, I understand your statement. But what they're saying is a lie. And, by the way, I'm not a journalist. I'll use the word cover up.
[Pereira:] And, Nina, you agree with Steve?
[Burleigh:] Absolutely 100 percent, Chris. We
[Cuomo:] You know the critics basic is large
[Burleigh:] I watched I watched the trial. We went through with a team we went through all of the documents. We looked at the interviews with witnesses before the arrest, after the arrest. The way that things changed after the arrest. Look, it was a pagan scapegoating ritual. That's what it looked like to me. I, like Steve, I went over there thinking I was going to write a book about an American girl who looked like a J. Crew model, who turned into Charlie Manson. After a month looking into it, all of those things that you're talking about, the so-called evidence is not in the record. The blood the bleached
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Burleigh:] The Googling the bleach, the students standing outside the door with a mop and a bucket, none of that is in the record. And the prosecutor, who I interviewed repeatedly, wouldn't even confirm it, OK? So these things, these all of this circumstantial evidence has to do with this strange girl being seen on the scene the day of the murder. First person on the scene. That's who the police looked at.
[Cuomo:] How she was seen, this story, the actions, I mean it became very much about her.
[Burleigh:] It's all bias.
[Cuomo:] And, look, to Steve's point, criticism or not, certainly not uneducated. I followed that case. I covered that case. I would argue I put Amanda to the test over information the way nobody else has. And interestingly, we did ask her about what she would do in this. And this she is facing the biggest fear of her life because if she gets pushed here, Steve's right, she could go to the international court and get this thrown out. But if it doesn't happen, these two countries have an agreement for extradition and then her life will be more up in the air than it ever has been before.
[Pereira:] Well, and then
[Cuomo:] So we're going to have to see what happens today.
[Pereira:] Absolutely. We'll be watching that. Count on CNN to continue covering that. Nina, Steve, our appreciation to both of you. Thanks. Alisyn. [08:45:12:]
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] OK, guys. Controversy continues to surround SeaWorld. After the release of that documentary and CNN film "BLACKFISH," now a former orca trainer is speaking out in a new book with explosive new claims. Were whales deprived of food to make them perform? There's much more. Stick around.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Alarming new concerns about the handling of the first Ebola case in the United States. The hospital that turned the patient away leaving him sick, contagious and part of the general population for days.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] The Secret Service director now stepping down, resigning after a series of blunders that could have put the president and his first family in danger. What is next for the embattled agency, ahead.
[Berman:] ISIS advancing toward Baghdad as the United States and its partners escalate the airstrikes. We are live in Baghdad ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It is 30 minutes past the hour this Thursday morning. This morning, we have new information for you about the person the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S. He is Thomas Eric Duncan. A 42-year-old Liberian citizen. On September 15th in Monrovia, Duncan assisted a pregnant woman who later died of Ebola. Four days later, he flew to Dallas to visit family and friends. The CDC says that four days or five days after that, he developed symptoms, but was initially turned away from a Dallas hospital. Then on September 28th, Duncan's nephew Josephus Weeks, he became so frustrated that Duncan wasn't getting medical care, he called the CDC. And finally Duncan was admitted to the hospital. His worried family members waiting to hear word of his condition.
[Josephus Weeks, Nephew Of Thomas Eric Duncan:] It's very stressful. We're here. But we just want I mean, we appreciate as much help as we can get because Eric just got here. He contracted the stuff and now he needs to pay back the hospital. We're still here. We will not sleep just like you. We feel the pain. We feel the pain. We just hope and pray that Eric survives the night. And we just we got our hopes up for him.
[Romans:] Remarkable. Concern that he hopes that he survives the night and also concerns about how to pay the bills. Meanwhile, we now know Duncan had contacted at least a dozen people during the period that he had Ebola symptoms. Chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta joins us now with more.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] Well, John and Christine, there is no question what happened was very historic. A patient being diagnosed in the United States with Ebola. It's never happened before. In fact a patient has never been diagnosed with Ebola outside of Africa. But it's happened now. And it raises some concerns. And then also, I will tell you, it was not that unexpected. Patients getting on planes in these West Africa countries, they're not sick, but they're carrying the Ebola virus in their bodies. They're in what's called the incubation period. That can last up to 21 days. And they can travel anywhere in the world during that time. So it's not surprising it'll happen. And it's likely to happen again in the United States and many other countries around the world. Unfortunately, what happened regarding this first patient and the missteps regarding his diagnosis and early treatment is unfortunate. But hopefully it sends a clear message to hospitals and emergency room departments around the country that it should not happen again. John and Christine, back to you.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Sanjay there. The Dallas hospital that initially turned Duncan away is now investigating the missteps that Sanjay was discussing. Officials at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital say Duncan came to the ER with a low-grade fever and abdominal pain. But that his symptoms did not warrant admission at the time. What doctors reviewing the case did not learn was that Duncan had told a nurse he was visiting from West Africa. A U.S. official tells CNN that was clearly, quote, "a screw- up."
[Dr. Mark Lester, Texas Health Resources Executive Vp:] He volunteered that he had traveled from Africa in response to the nurse operating the checklist and asking that question. Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team.
[Romans:] During those few days between Duncan's first symptoms and then finally his admission to the hospital, everyone he came in contact with may have been exposed to Ebola. Health officials are closely watching 12 to 18 people who had close physical contact with Duncan for symptoms. They're watching them for symptoms. They include five children who attend four different area schools. And that has the Dallas public schools scrambling to reassure nervous parents.
[Unidentified Female:] It has been confirmed that five students may have come in contact with an individual recently diagnosed with the Ebola virus. And I am concerned that if my son gets fever or anything like that, I will definitely immediately take him to the emergency.
[Romans:] As for Thomas Eric Duncan, Texas Health Presbyterian says he is in currently serious condition. Meanwhile, WFAA is reporting the Dallas health officials closely monitoring one other person who had very close contact with Duncan as a second potential Ebola patient.
[Berman:] Such critical days now.
[Romans:] It really is. Really is.
[Berman:] As they follow these people that this man came in contact with to see if they develop any symptoms and I can understand the concern of the schools now. Thirty-four minutes after the hour. The search for a new person to head the Secret Service is under way this morning. Julia Pierson handed in her resignation to Homeland Security Director Jeh Johnson on Wednesday after a series of serious lapses protecting the White House and the president.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] Well, Director Pierson offered her recommendation her resignation today because she believed that it was in the best interest of the agency to which she has dedicated her career. The secretary agreed with that assessment. The president did as well. Over the last several days, we have seen recent and accumulating reports raising questions about the performance of the agency and the president concluded that new leadership of that agency was required.
[Berman:] The damning phrase there was recent and accumulating reports. The beginning of the end for Pierson came on September 19th, when a fence jumper you can see it right there managed to get through the front door of the White House and all the way to the East Room before being tackled. And support for Pierson really just almost disappeared completely after the revelation that an unscreened armed man had been allowed to ride an elevator with the president, which is a violation of all kinds of Secret Service protocols. So now the retired head of the President Obama's protective detail, Joseph Clancy, has been named acting director of the Secret Service. That is as the search for Pierson's permanent replacement begins.
[Romans:] The alleged White House fence jumper Omar Gonzalez pleading not guilty to charges that he ran into the presidential mansion carrying a deadly weapon, a knife. A federal court judge ordered a mental competency exam for Gonzalez to determine if he is fit to stand trial. After his arrest last month, investigators found 800 rounds of ammunition, a machete and two hatchets in his car.
[Berman:] Coalition airstrikes against ISIS intensified on Wednesday. The U.S. military says the final count for Tuesday made it the busiest day so far with 28 strikes total including two by the United Kingdom. Those airstrikes do seem to be having an effect. The mortuary at the general hospital in Mosul, which is Iraq's second largest city, has received the bodies of 45 ISIS militants in the last 48 hours. In southeastern Baghdad, a car bomb detonated on a busy commercial street killing at least 14 people, wounding another 51. Joining us now live from Baghdad, CNN's Ben Wedeman. Ben, do we know any more about that attack?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] John, that attack took place on Wednesday evening. And of course, keep in mind that the Eid al-Adha, the holiday after the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, is about to start so there are a lot of people out in the streets shopping, getting ready for this in Iraq what will be an eight-day holiday. So this car bomb went off, at least 14 people were killed and, of course, the estimates may rise. And this comes just one day after a series of car bombs and other attacks occurred in Baghdad and elsewhere. In Baghdad itself on Wednesday, 20 people killed and in total 40 in Baghdad and areas to the south of the capital. So this really underscores the danger to the capital isn't necessarily the fact that just a few miles away from here is ISIS, but rather that ISIS is managing to get car bombs and other explosive devices inside the city John.
[Berman:] Those are fighting on the streets there in Baghdad. Also up north in Mosul and Syria. Hundreds of miles worth of territory, Ben. Thanks to you. ISIS also gaining ground, as we just said, in Syria and moving closer to a crucial Kurdish town. But there could soon be help on the way. We're going to take you there live in about 30 minutes.
[Romans:] Thirty-eight minutes past the hour, time for an EARLY START on your money. And I'm sorry to report it was a rough day for stocks around the globe. European stocks lower again this morning. Some Asia markets are closed for the holidays, but Japan's Nikkei fell 2.6 percent. Folks, that's a big move for one day. U.S. futures are also pointing lower. Could be another bad day if it holds. Yesterday the Dow plunged 238 points. I don't use the word plunge very lightly. When it's more than 200 points, you can call it a plunge. That's about 1.4 percent. The concerns there are about global growth. The ongoing protests in Hong Kong, quite frankly.
[Berman:] Yes.
[Romans:] That's one of the biggest business stories in the world really. If this if it turns into something very dangerous with the economy and Chinese leadership. And also this first case of Ebola in the U.S. all rattling nerves. Look at this. Hotel and airline stocks hit on the worries that the Ebola scare could affect travel. Some of the hardest hit, John, Starwood Hotels and Resort, Southwest and JetBlue and Delta, they all dropped about 3.5 percent. That's a big move for one day. And it was interesting. It was sort of indiscriminate selling of those travel stocks. Not based on whether they traveled to Africa or whether an international flight.
[Berman:] Right. And Southwest does not go to Monrovia.
[Romans:] Right. It does not. It does not. But there were just big concerns in some of those stocks.
[Berman:] All right. 40 minutes after the hour. We're not talking about Ebola here, but another mystery virus that has infected hundreds of children across the U.S. now linked to deaths of several children. We have new information this morning, ahead.
[Romans:] Plus new accusations of tampering in the Michael Brown investigation. Is there someone on the grand jury breaking the rules? That's next.

[Holmes:] Some other stories making news AROUND THE WORLD right now. Some bad news out of Laos, investigators looking into the possibility that wind shear is to blame for Wednesday's plane crash that killed 49 people. There were remnants of a typhoon in the area. The weather was terrible when the Lao Airlines plane was approaching landing at Pakse Airport.
[Malveaux:] Officials believe a sudden gust of wind caused the piloted to lose control. It crashed on or near an island in a nearby river. In Myanmar, one person is dead, two others injured after three, three explosions rocked the northeastern part of the country, also known as Burma. They are the latest in a string of recent blasts. One person was hurt Monday when a homemade device went off at a high- end hotel that is pretty popular with international tourists.
[Holmes:] Yeah, there was an explosion last week that killed two people as well. It not known yet whether those incidents were connected, but disturbing for a country that's really just coming into its own now. Now in Iraq, this is a familiar tale, isn't it? A car bomb going off, this time in a refugee compound. This is just east of the city of Mosul in the north of the country. Seventeen people were killed, 7 of them children, nearly 70 other people were wounded.
[Malveaux:] The blast, it caused nearby buildings to collapse. Some are still trapped under the rubble. The compound is home to an ethnic Shiite minority that has been the target of Sunni extremist group like al Qaeda in recent months. When terrorists attacked the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, last month, the only way to understand what happened is from the stories of some of those survivors. But now CNN has obtained access to some of the mall surveillance video.
[Holmes:] Yeah, much of what you are about to see is graphic. It is also disturbing. You may want to send the kids out of the room. It's really not suitable for them. We're reporting on the videos, though, because there really are few opportunities for the public to understand the nature of these attacks and how these killers show absolutely no hesitation about ending life. Nima Elbagir has been going through hours of this video, preparing a summary of what we can learn from that Saturday in September.
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn Correspondent:] Shoppers at Westgate Mall, this is the scene moments before the al Shabaab attack. Suddenly, men, women, children, begin to run for their lives. This man on the floor thought he'd found safety. Wounded, he gathers the strength to try and crawl for help. Another gunman returns without mercy. The security camera spotted two other attackers making their way to the top parking lot, walking towards the children's cooking competition held there. Just beyond the camera's view, they open fire. This edited, silent video obtained by CNN shows what happened during the attack in Nairobi on September 21st. As the attackers go through the mall, you see people desperate, trying to run and crawl to safety as bullets streak by. A body on the floor gets barely a glance, and another bullet. This is only a fraction of the surveillance video recorded during this day. Most of it too horrifying to broadcast. In the supermarket, the hostage roundup has begun. A mother and her two children push an injured child in a shopping cart. A teenage girl follows, her hands in the air. She's bloody. A gunman points the way. Kenyan authorities say they closely watched the security cameras as the attack was happening. The hostage-takers are spotted on the phone. Authorities believe they are receiving instructions from outside the mall. Here, one of them even appears to look for surveillance cameras. Only four attackers are seen in the video. There are long periods of time where they appear almost relaxed. At one point, the attackers take turns for prayers. Elsewhere in a mall restaurant, a Western man, gun in hand and what appears to be a plainclothes Kenyan police officer take position to try to protect the staff and customers cowering behind the counter. And this was just the first day of what would become a four-day nightmare for Kenya.
[Holmes:] And Nima joins us now from Nairobi. It is horrible to watch. It really is. I mean, I know that you've got more information on that woman with the child in the shopping cart. Fill us in on that and what this video tells us about those gunmen.
[Elbagir:] Well, Michael, I guess it's just a tiny bit of respite from all of the horribleness that we've just been watching. The lady that you see with her two children, and by the way that third injured child in the cart was a 12-year-old that she insisted on being allowed to take with her. The gunman finally released them after her and her children pleaded. In fact, her boy apparently called the gunman a bad man and was given sweets, if you can believe it. She also insisted on taking the teenage girl, so they were eventually released. Of course, they were among the very, very lucky few in this, Michael.
[Malveaux:] And, Nima, you talk about the fact that we see four of the gunmen in the video here, and that there's a lot of video to be shared. How helpful, how useful is this for Kenyan authorities, those who really want to make sure they have the people responsible, all of the people responsible for this?
[Elbagir:] Well, it definitely gives you a sense of how extraordinarily well-coordinated this was. And with the intercepts they've been working on, I understand from security sources, they've been able to link this to actually a worryingly broad network, not just Kenyan, but out into the region in East Africa and beyond. And they actually believe that this could be linked even across the Red Sea into al Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula. So those intercepts are really key, not just in understanding how it could have happened, but in understanding who was involved and how wide that net is going to need to be, Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] All right, thank you so much. I mean, it's so hard to watch that video. I know it's useful to investigators, but really difficult when you just see just the total disregard for life. And the guy's, you know, laying down, and he's still shooting him.
[Holmes:] It is horrible to watch. It is. Now for weeks the shutdown drama, well, it was like a bad TV reality show, wasn't it? The bad guy, the good guy, the victims. Well, now that it's over, we're looking at the winners and losers or perhaps who lost the less.
[Malveaux:] Yeah, well, that's up next on AROUND THE WORLD.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Ferguson fallout, protests continue, President Obama meeting with civil rights leaders and its cabinet to figure out what to do about the unrest. How can Ferguson and the nation heal divisions between the law enforcement and the black community? This as Darren Wilson announced that he is resigning, there is a twist.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Former Ravens runningback, Ray Rice wins his appeal reversing his indefinite suspension and his wife shares her side of what happened in that elevator. Will any team want him after that ugly attack?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Crunch time, Congress returning today only two weeks to take on immigration, the war on ISIS, and funding the government. Will lawmakers meet their deadline or could gridlock cause another government shutdown?
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now. Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Monday, December 1st, it's 6:00 in the east almost about a minute shy there. It's actually a new day, a new week, and a new month. Chris Cuomo and Alisyn Camerota here. Listen, I know you've been hearing a lot about Ferguson, but it is not going away. The president is taking it on now because the issues there exist in many places. Today, he will meet with his cabinets, civil rights leaders and law enforcement officials to discuss what happened there and what to do about it.
[Camerota:] Meanwhile, Ferguson's mayor is outlining plans for improving relations between the community and the police which includes efforts to recruit more minority officers. Over the weekend, Officer Darren Wilson resigned from the force. The mayor insists, Wilson will get no severance pay and a "Hands Up" don't shoot gesture by some St. Louis Rams players Sunday in support of the Ferguson protesters sparked new controversy. CNN's Ed Lavandera is following all the latest developments for us. He is live Ferguson. Good morning, Ed.
[Lavandera:] Good morning. Well, the good news is it was a quiet night on the streets of Ferguson and around here quiet is a good thing.
[Unidentified Male:] We have not severed ties with Officer Darren Wilson.
[Lavandera:] After six years on the Ferguson Police Force, Officer Darren Wilson turned in his badge over the weekend.
[Unidentified Male:] The city of Ferguson will not be making a severance payment to Officer Wilson.
[Lavandera:] Wilson says the risk of violence to residents and police officers prompted his letter of resignation, which reads, if part, It is my hope my resignation will allow the community to heal." City officials are ready to move on.
[Unidentified Male:] Now is the time for the city of Ferguson to begin its healing process. We're no doing nothing.
[Lavandera:] But protesters in Ferguson and around the country from Oregon...
[Unidentified Male:] What do we want? Justice!
[Unidentified Female:] Justice! Justice!
[Lavandera:] ... to Washington, D.C....
[Unidentified Male:] Justice!
[Unidentified Female:] Justice! Justice!
[Lavandera:] ... aren't ready to let go.
[Unidentified Female:] He got away with murder.
[Lavandera:] During Sunday's match-up between the Rams and Raiders, 50 extra security officers surrounded the St. Louis stadium, while protesters chanted outside. While inside...
[Unidentified Male:] Many were joined by the rest of the receiving core.
[Lavandera:] ... several Rams players staged a show of solidarity as they took the field, displaying the "hands up, don't shoot" pose adopted by protesters. The players' support for Michael Brown struck a sour note with the St. Louis Police Officers' Association. The organization's business manager said in a statement, "I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products. It's cops and the good people of St. Louis that do." A community polarized and in need of money. Missouri Governor Jay Nixon called for critical funding Friday to cover the payroll of thousands of National Guard and state highway patrol members who have been policing Ferguson's restless streets. This as the NAACP calls for reform, taking their message on a 120-mile march from Ferguson to Nixon's mansion.
[Cornell Williams Brooks, President, Naacp:] Our goal is really to bring about a reform of policing in this country and an end to racial profiling.
[Lavandera:] And President Obama will be meeting with various official civil rights leaders in the White House today. Attorney General Eric Holder will also begin a nationwide tour conversation to improve relationships between local law enforcement and the black community across the country. Alisyn, back to you.
[Camerota:] Yes. A lot of meetings to watch today. Ed Lavandera, thanks so much. Now to another embattled police force: nine Cleveland officers, eight of them white, one Hispanic, filing a federal lawsuit, alleging they endure harsher discipline than their African-American colleagues when it comes to officer-involved shootings of African-Americans, all of that unfolding in the wake of last weekend's tragic police shooting that left a 12-year-old boy dead. CNN's Alexandra Field is following the latest developments for us. What do we know, Alexandra?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, there, Alisyn. Well, this lawsuit is being filed two years after two people were shot and killed. The officers involved in that shooting now say that, in the wake of that shooting, they are the ones who have been treated unfairly.
[Field:] Over the weekend, family and friends in this Cleveland neighborhood mourned the life of 12-year-old Tamir Rice. Many in this community outraged over a police officer's split-second decision to fatally shoot Rice, who was flashing a pellet gun. The officer says it looks like Rice was reaching for a real firearm when they arrived on scene.
[Unidentified Male:] No justice! No peace! No peace! No peace!
[Field:] Frustrated community members taking to the streets, demanding police reform.
[Unidentified Female:] Not one more family loses their child.
[Field:] The public outcry calm but firm.
[Unidentified Female:] A black person reaches for something, knee-jerk response now is to shoot.
[Field:] So far, Cleveland has been spared the racially-charged violent protests that have been rocking Ferguson, Missouri, after a grand jury decided not to indict white police officer for killing an unarmed black teenager who the officer says attacked him. But now, eight white officers and one Hispanic officer with Cleveland P.D. have filed a federal lawsuit against the city and police officials, alleging racial discrimination. The officers claim their superiors subject them to harsher discipline than African-American officers when it comes to police-involved shootings of African-American civilians. The lawsuit stems from a 2012 high-speed car chase. Two unarmed African-Americans killed inside their vehicle by a hail of 137 bullets. Later, a grand jury indicted six of the officers involved, including one who was facing two counts of manslaughter. CNN reached out to the city and the police for comment after hours. We have not yet heard back from the six officers who were indicted. All pleaded not guilty. As for the officers involved in that lawsuit, they are looking for an unspecified amount of damages Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Alexandra. Thank you very much. Let's bring in somebody who understands these issues very well, because it's an ongoing struggle to figure out what will happen in communities like Ferguson and Cleveland now. So his name is Cedric Alexander. He's the president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives and a deputy chief operating officer of public safety in De Kalb County. It's very good to have you with us, as always.
[Cedric Alexander, President, Noble:] Good morning, Chris.
[Cuomo:] Let's let's go through all these headlines, sir. The first one: what do you make of this lawsuit of white officers saying, "When we shoot a black guy it gets treated one way. If a black cop shoots a black kid, it's treated a different way, more leniently? Do you ever see anything like that?
[Alexander:] No, I haven't. In 37 years of policing, Chris, it's the first I ever heard of that. Let me say this first: I think that just speaks to where we are in this country in terms of police-community relations. And we've really got to do something to begin to have not only conversation but really some real dialogue so that we can begin to resolve some of this, because this is really getting out of control as it relates to public safety in this country.
[Cuomo:] What's your big concern?
[Alexander:] Well, the big concern for me is and I'm glad it's here today, that the president and his administration, his cabinet, are going to set down and they're going to look at this issue around policing and community relations across this country. As you and I have spoke about before, as you well know, Ferguson was just a tipping point of this historical events of bad relationships between police and community, and it just came to a boil again. Even though a lot of gain has been made, we still have a lot of work to do. And so I'm glad to hear that the president is taking taking time out of everything that he has to do to address this very important domestic issue in this country.
[Cuomo:] Do you think he should have gone to Missouri sooner? Do you think the governor of Missouri should have been much more visible in the streets of Ferguson? Has there been a vacuum of leadership?
[Alexander:] Well, to me, yes, absolutely. Right from the beginning, the governor there should have gotten out a whole lot earlier. And I think some of the decisions that he made, as well, too...
[Cuomo:] Should the president have gone? Should he go now?
[Alexander:] No, I don't think the president should go at all. I don't think it's necessary to do so. I think what's occurring right now is that we have the attorney general, who will be here in Atlanta today and also is going to travel to several other countries I mean other cities, across this nation to begin the dialogue and start talking about and begin to take some action so that we can begin to confront this issue of police and community relations.
[Cuomo:] What do you think about the actions that have been taken so far, in terms of, one, Darren Wilson resigning, but no pension, no severance, no benefits? From the law enforcement perspective, why is that OK? If he was exonerated by the grand jury, why should he have to resign without any benefits?
[Alexander:] Well, I'm not sure if he was made to resign.
[Cuomo:] But do you think that's a good move? Or is that an admission that he did something wrong?
[Alexander:] What I think it is, is it's a healing for that community that is coming forth. I think his resignation, along with some potential other changes that need to be made in that community is going to help that community, Chris, begin to heal and there is no way that Darren Wilson would be able to stay in that department, quite frankly, without that community continuing to feel weight that it does now. That's a very hurt community. They have not had police-community relations there. And I think he's moving on with the rest of his life. Whatever he decides to do is up to him. And that was a decision that he made.
[Cuomo:] What about the Rams players holding up their hands?
[Alexander:] Very interesting. Here again, a group of young men who have their own thoughts about that whole event there in Ferguson. They made a statement. But here again, it speaks to, nationally and internationally, Chris, the concerns that people have about police and community relations in this nation. You're talking about a group of professional athletes, young African-American men, who in some way feel very heartfelt about this whole incident. That was their statement. And...
[Cuomo:] You know you know, Doctor, it's hard to find a young black man who doesn't feel that cops in his community have been unfair to him at some point. I mean, it may sound like a generalization. But, you know, you know that's the reality. In terms of their perspective.
[Alexander:] It is the reality. In terms of their perspective. And we all have varied perspectives, depending on race and depending on economic demographic, as well, too. And this is what we have to fix. This is what we have to address, and there are no easy answers. But we got to begin to set down and not just talk about it. Because quite frankly, I'm tired of talking about it. We got to come up with some real answers, some real actions that we can put into place to help move this country along. Police got to have community. Community must have police.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Alexander:] This is this is fundamentally important.
[Cuomo:] When you've got the main dialogue between your cops and your community is tear gas as a communication mechanism, talk is a good thing, though.
[Alexander:] That doesn't work. That doesn't work.
[Cuomo:] So talk, we'll take progress where we find it. Sir, thank you very much for coming on
[New Day. Alexander:] Thank you for having me.
[Cuomo:] We look forward to having you on again. It is an important conversation. Thank you, sir.
[Alexander:] Thank you, Chris.
[Cuomo:] Mick, a lot of news this morning. Right to you.
[Pereira:] Sure is, Chris. All right. Thanks so much. Ten minutes past the hour. Here is a look at your headlines. Police are investigating now the death of an Ohio State football player who had been reported missing for several days. Twenty-two- year-old Kosta Karageorge was found in a dumpster, dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. There are now concerns that recent concussions he may have suffered could have led to his suicide. The search for missing Ohio State University football player Kosta Karageorge is now over.
[Sgt. Richard Weiner, Columbus Police Department:] We are able to confirm through tattoos here at the scene that it is the body of Kosta Karageorge.
[Pereira:] According to Columbus police, the 22-year-old's body was found inside a Dumpster Sunday afternoon by a woman and her son scavenging. A handgun was also recovered at the scene.
[Weiner:] Preliminary investigation is showing that he died from what appears to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
[Pereira:] According to the missing person's report, Karageorge's mother told police her son had been complaining about confusion, possibly due to a concussion. Karageorge's sister told "The New York Times" her brother sustained a concussion in December and had suffered at least four or five others in his life. Just a half hour before he went missing, the football player texted his mother, saying, "I am sorry if I am an embarrassment, but these concussions versus my head all Ohio State athletic officials released a statement saying that they are shocked and saddened by Karageorge's death. We'll continue to follow that story. U.S.-led coalition warplanes pummeling ISIS in and around its de facto capital in Syria. A London-based human rights groups says more than 30 coalition airstrikes targeted positions in Raqqah overnight, including an airbase that ISIS seized from government troops. Up until now, much of the coalition's focus has been the area around Kobani on the Turkish-Syrian border. Quite a disturbing story: the father and stepmother accused of hiding a 13-year-old boy behind a war [sic] in their Georgia home. They are going to remain behind bars. A judge denied bond for Gregory Jean and Samantha Joy Davis. They both are charged with false imprisonment and cruelty to children. That little boy was found over the weekend behind a wall camouflaged with towels. Somehow, he was able to text his mother, which led police to his location. Gregory Jr. is now reunited with his mother. He had been reported missing four years ago. A story very close to our heart, former New York governor Mario Mario Cuomo spent Thanksgiving hospitalized, being treated for a heart condition here in Manhattan. The 82-year-old was last seen in public on November 4, celebrating his son, Andrew's reelection to his former governor's seat. He had been rushed to the hospital for a heart procedure the next day. Mario Cuomo served three terms in the state's highest office between 1983 and 1994. It's no secret the connection has to your pop, as you call him, Chris. How's he doing?
[Cuomo:] He's doing well. I was actually OK having it in the news, because I love looking at the video.
[Pereira:] I was wondering about that.
[Cuomo:] You know, I wanted you to hear this from me. Obviously, the team here knows everything that's going on in my life. But like many people my age, my parents are getting old, and my pop is dealing with some old man issues. And he is in the hospital. Media got that right. But he's fighting along pretty well. And that's the good news. And he's watching the show right now. And I'm sure he is not happy to hear us talking about this. Not because of his health. But because it's a waste of valuable news time, he would say, in one of his ongoing criticisms about the media. But I appreciate very much how you guys have been reaching out as the news hit the media. It means a lot to me, and it means a lot to my family. And hopefully, I'll have good news to share...
[Pereira:] Absolutely. We'd like that.
[Cuomo:] ... about it.
[Pereira:] We got you.
[Cuomo:] So Pop, I'm sorry. It's my job. I had to report it. Now I'll move on. A lot going on with the weather. So we'll go that way.
[Camerota:] And you are grounded. Meanwhile, let's get to meteorologist Indra Petersons. She's keeping track of the latest forecast. How's it looking?
[Indra Petersons, Cnn Meteorologist:] A lot of people still struggling, trying to get home. So we're going to give you some good news today. Not seeing too much out there. Yes, there's some showers from the Northeast, back in through Texas, but overall we're not looking for too many delays. And maybe that hot spot into the Midwest. We are looking some places, looking out towards maybe southern Illinois, also into Missouri, for a hint of freezing rain. But this quickly makes its way to the east, even bringing D.C. a chance for commute time tomorrow morning, some flurries. Yes, it's December. It is this time of year. All of that wintry mix makes its way into the northeast, in through tomorrow, but quickly exits out of here. Not a major storm. We're not talking about a lot. Most of you just seeing a couple flurries out there. Bigger thing, again, is the temperature drop. This is not stopping any time soon. We are looking for a huge one: D.C. almost 70 degrees today. Let me show what happens in through tomorrow. Look at that drop. We're going back down to the 30s in just one day. The good news, it's not lasting. So by the day we get to Wednesday, it's going to look a lot better out there. Also, the bigger story is also going to be out West. Huge low out there. This is a big deal. We're talking about drought conditions, really, for the entire year. It's a lot of rain in a short period of time. Will bring some strong flooding concerns. We're talking about a good five inches of rain in an area that hasn't seen it in a long time. We know that well.
[Pereira:] Yes, we do.
[Petersons:] Not just all at once.
[Pereira:] Yes, not all at once.
[Camerota:] All right. Thanks so much. Great to see you, Indra. Ray Rice and his wife Janay making their first public comments since he was suspended indefinitely by the NFL for punching her. Rice appealed the suspension and won. Now he's a free agent. But is any team interested? That's next.
[Cuomo:] We also have news breaking overnight. A bloody attack on a mosque in Nigeria. A hundred dead. The culprit, a familiar name now: Boca Haram. We have a live report right ahead.

[Burnett:] Our fourth story OUTFRONT, bullying could cost an NFL player his $13 million job. You heard me right. So tonight the Miami Dolphins are deciding the future of their guard Richie Incognito who's already been suspended after reports that he taunted teammate Jonathan Martin with threatening and racially charged messages and voicemails. But the punishment may not add up, at least according to one of Incognito's former teammates Ricky Williams. Here's what he told Jake Tapper today.
[Ricky Williams, Former Miami Dolphins Running Back:] There's certain traditions, like when rookies come in, especially if they're high draft pick, that, you know, they'll take their position group or the offense or the defense out to dinner and foot the bill. That's more of a rite of passage, and I wouldn't consider that hazing. The NFL isn't for everyone. And there are certain people and I was one of the people, you know, I had these ideas and expectations about what the NFL would be. And then once I got there, I saw that it it wasn't what I thought.
[Burnett:] Now John Zarrella is OUTFRONT with a special report. And, John, what did the messages say because when you hear this, someone could be fired $13 million job because of threatening voicemails to an NFL player? What could possibly have been in those voicemails and text messages?
[John Zarrella, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, this is what was in that, Erin. According to ESPN and NFL.com, this is the text of the voice messages left for Jonathan Martin. I'm quoting here. "Hey, what's up, you half blank piece of blank. I saw you on Twitter. You have been training 10 weeks. I'll blank in your blank mouth. I'm going to slap your real mother across the face. Blank you. You're still a rookie. I'll kill you." Now this is all coming out a week after Jonathan Martin suddenly left Dolphins' camp last Monday and has been gone ever since Erin.
[Burnett:] Now, John, I mean, you know, I hear that. It's almost impossible to imagine. Then you wonder, is this some sort of the way they all interact? I mean, it's hard to understand it. It would be unprecedented for an NFL player to actually get fired cut for bullying. So are the Dolphins actually going to do it?
[Zarrella:] Well, right now Incognito is on the reserve suspended list. And at this news conference today, Joe Philbin, the head coach, said he wouldn't really address the futures of either of the players. But Philbin did say he would not tolerate anything like this going on in the workplace.
[Joe Philbin, Miami Dolphins Head Coach:] If the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is.
[Zarrella:] Now I talked to several players after that press conference in the Dolphins' locker room. And all of them said to me, look, we feel like this locker room has a very good environment. And in fact, one of the players went so far as to say he loved Richie Incognito. And he said that was Richie just being Richie probably and would like Richie to be back on the team. So right now the Dolphins preparing for a game a week from Sunday Monday, against Tampa Bay. That's their focus, they say, and most of them, though, saying they would welcome both players back to the team.
[Burnett:] All right. Thanks very much, John Zarrella. And I also just want to give everybody a very brief update on the condition of the Houston head coach, Gary Kubiak. A statement from a Texan says he's going to be in the hospital for at least the next day. The 52-year-old fell to his knees, as you can see there. Watch that happen just as they were going off during the game. I believe it was during half-time. Obviously an emergency situation there. The team did not elaborate what might be wrong with him. But he had dizziness and light wad light-headed, did not, though, suffer a heart attack. Well, OUTFRONT next, did the police miss stopping the alleged Los Angeles shooter by just minutes? And do his writings indicate a growing domestic terror threat but is much bigger? And then the Toronto mayor accused of smoking crack which some say was caught on tape. Says he's sorry? Sort of? And later "Iron Man" is real about to suit up for the United States Military. We have an amazing report.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Just past the bottom of the hour. I'm Brooke Baldwin. You're watching CNN and this is for you Jeopardy lovers, champion or villain? Jeopardy contestant, Arthur Chu, he is said to be back on the show tonight. His, we will call it unconventional tactics on the game show, have definitely irked some fans and some players, but Chu is not apologizing for his style. Here's a background from CNN entertainment correspondent, Nischelle Turner.
[Unidentified Male:] Here is the clue to help you all.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Corresponden:] He has been blasted by Jeopardy purists for his unconventional winning strategy dubbed a mad genius and villain on social media and is currently the quiz show's reigning champion. The answer is, who is Arthur Chu? Yes, Jeopardy's polarizing 30-year-old insurance analyst is back. Tonight he is playing for more cash and to defend his four-game winning streak. Much to the chagrin of many show traditionalists who feel Chu is gaming the system.
[Unidentified Male:] It's a wise champion that knows which categories are good for him. That applies to Arthur Chu. I have the wine 1000, month of annuals for 1000, 31 days of Oscars, 2000, 1200 Canadian bodies.
[Turner:] Breaking from the typical game playing strategy of going through one category from top to bottom, Chu jumps all over the board, throwing his opponents off with his unpredictability and upping his chances of finding the prized daily doubles early on.
[Unidentified Male:] Arthur Chu is rewriting the rules of Jeopardy. All he wants is the money.
[Turner:] His tactics drew. He did backlash on social media, but Chu says his strategy is fair game and he's simply in it to win it.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you realize we are playing for actual money? Right. A lot of money. The rules are what the rules are.
[Turner:] And while some of the adjectives used to describe him sound like they were ripped straight from the pages of a superhero comic book
[Unidentified Male:] Villain.
[Unidentified Female:] Jeopardy villain.
[Turner:] It is Chu that just might be having the last laugh.
[Unidentified Male:] Even if I were to lose the next game, a hundred grand is nothing to go home and cry about.
[Baldwin:] Yes, I don't think so. Let me talk to this other Jeopardy Champion. He is Brad Rutter. He is the biggest money winner ever on Jeopardy. So Bret, nice to see you. Welcome to the show.
[Brat Rutter, "jeopardy" Highest Paid Money Winner:] Thanks, Brooke. Good to be here.
[Baldwin:] So if you were up against this guy, would you be thinking annoying or genius?
[Rutter:] You know, I might actually play a lot like he does and especially since we were playing the IBM computer and it played that way and was fantastically successful against me and Ken Jennings. It has been in the back of my mind for a while.
[Baldwin:] Here's what I want to know. Why didn't someone come up with this a long time ago? I mean, Jeopardy has been around for some years, right? I mean, is this really
[Rutter:] Somebody did come up with it in 1985, a guy named Chuck Forest who is probably the first famous contestant on the show. It's just the fact that there a bunch of social media people who weren't Twitter in '85 and people aren't used to the way Arthur is playing. It is causing kind of a backlash.
[Baldwin:] Why do you think people I mean, folks, it's a game. I know there is serious money involved, but it's a game on television. Why are people so up in arms about this, these traditionalists
[Rutter:] Yes. Jeopardy has kind of become an institution and people are used to the vast majority of contestants playing exactly the same way going down the categories like that. So it's almost as if I would compare it to the forward pass in football. In the old days, it was three arts and a clouded [inaudible] that you couldn't pass it all. Now all of a sudden, the game has opened up a little bit and I'm sure the traditional back then didn't like it either.
[Baldwin:] But as rules in football have evolved, do you think rules in Jeopardy should evolve. Do you think you should be able to do this?
[Rutter:] No, I don't think so. In fact, I think if people will start playing like this more, people will just get used to it and it won't be a big deal in a couple of years. I kind of see that as the way it will probably go because there is some solid game theory behind it.
[Baldwin:] Brad, be honest. Are you rooting for him?
[Rutter:] Well, whenever anybody wins more than about three games, I start rooting for them because if they go on a huge ten Jennings Escron, that means they will probably going to bring me back to play and I always love to go on the show.
[Baldwin:] Well, we like to see you win, of course. But let me ask you since I have you and we are talking Jeopardy, something else came up last week. The show raised eyebrows. You have the three white contestants and the college students and there was the black history category. It was like no one had picked that until everything else. All the other boxes had been checked. You were on the show. I'm curious how you went about choosing categories.
[Rutter:] Well, you always go from what you are most to least comfortable with. I don't know. I would be probably be pretty comfortable with African-American history and you see anything that wouldn't be common knowledge that you can probably know if you will go on the show so, yes.
[Baldwin:] OK, just curious, just looked great to see that whole column.
[Rutter:] Yes. But in fairness, it's tough to answer any question on Jeopardy. You are up there in the front of the lights. There is Alex Trebeck 10 feet from you so you know, nerves can come into it too.
[Baldwin:] I can't even begin to imagine. Brad Rutter, thank you very much for playing. Appreciate it. Emmy-award winning actor, Alec Baldwin said, he is saying bye-bye to public life. There was a lengthy op-ed piece in "New York" magazine, who says, he has not changed, but public life has. Baldwin is burning multiple bridges on his way out because when you read this piece, I mean, he is being specific. He is calling out his former employer, MSNBC and the media in general using words like toxic and super flus. In regards to retiring from the public spotlight, let me just read you part of what Alec Baldwin wrote, "Now I don't want to be Mr. Showbizness anymore. I want the same thing everybody else wants. I want a happy home. For the first time in my life, I have one." He goes on to write, "I am aware that it's ironic that I'm making this case in the media, but this is the last time I am going to talk about my personal life in an American publication ever again." So Alec Baldwin is saying goodbye to public life, but his public life is really going to say goodbye to him. Michael Musto is back. He is our out.com columnist, but we like to call on to join us. Michael, welcome back.
[Michael Musto:] Thank you, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] So my question is because I was actually one of the last to tweet with Alec Baldwin during the whole words with friends debacle. He said goodbye to Twitter. We all know he is back. My question to you is how long do you think this is going to last.
[Michael Musto, Columnist, Out.com:] It's never going to happen, Brooke. Let's not forget that years ago Alec threatened to move to Canada if W. Bush won and I think maybe Canada put up a barricade so he stayed here. He never moved, OK, and as I recall Bush did win. This time, I think maybe some New Yorkers are willing to say we will escort you to the airport because Alec is threatening not only to give us on public life, but to move his family to L.A. He has every right to do that wherever his family wants to be happy. That's fine. However, his reasoning is a little bizarre. He thinks it's too celebrity crazed in New York. There are too many people with camera phones and paparazzi. That's what L.A. is really based on.
[Baldwin:] Do you think that is going to be different in L.A. I mean, maybe you can sit behind some beautiful gates in a lovely home, I'm sure he'll have a mansion, but do you think that is really possible?
[Musto:] Well, L.A. is built on the celebrity culture. It's a city about stardom. However, he argues that you spend your time in your car and go to the gates behind your mansion. That's not a way to live. You are more prisoner that way than if you live in New York in my opinion. People in New York are a lot more blase about celebrities. They don't go crazy about celebrities. Everybody here is an achiever in some way.
[Baldwin:] Right. Brad Pitt walks on the street and no one barely looks.
[Musto:] Except me. I start screaming.
[Baldwin:] Well, you know, maybe I would as well. Alec Baldwin's two points because he said, you know, basically that there is this fascination and people romanticized the life of a celebrity and they are all over them. Not we all, but a lot of people buy tabloids and two, you know, on social media, people fixate on the negative instead of the positive and I'm wondering if he has a point.
[Musto:] Well, he does. The media can be very sensational, but I think he should look to his own behavior. He provides bad copy for himself with his flare-ups. I met Alec many times. He is very charming. He can turn on the charm and he's a terrific actor. He is a rightful award winner. But when he gets angry, he's a lit keg and that lead to the bad press and the bad press feeds on itself. That's going to happen in L.A. too. News flash, don't you think he is going to get into road rage incidents or something like that?
[Baldwin:] What's the next story line? When you come back on and we talk about Alec Baldwin again, what's the story do you think?
[Musto:] He is still going to be in New York. He is still going to be pursuing stardom. He is still going to be on Twitter and that's fine. You know, welcome to New York. It's the place of cookie crazy people who speak their minds.
[Baldwin:] Michael, what about the personal attacks? I mean, he took stabs at fellow actor, Shia Le Buff. He was very specific in MSNBC, Chifel Griffin, Rachel Maddow. Why go there?
[Musto:] I think maybe with Shia he does have a point because apparently that actor's behavior was unprofessional on the set of a Broadway show they did together. As for MSNBC, you know, they canceled him so naturally he is going to rage against them. He's a man full of rages who alternates between, you know, very debonair charm and [inaudible] you know, smoked through the nose billowing. That's what Alec Baldwin is all about. His current wife must be very patient.
[Baldwin:] She's a yogi, right? You have to be.
[Musto:] That helps.
[Baldwin:] Very flexible, I suppose. Michael Musto, we will talk again. We'll see where the story line goes next with Alec Baldwin. Appreciate it. Coming up next, the mystery illness sitting students and the symptoms they say are similar to polio. Plus the longest serving lawmaker in Congress is finally calling it quits. He's first elected way back in 1955. We will tell you who is looking to replace John Dingle.

[Blitzer:] We're following a dramatic break in the abduction and the death of the University of Virginia student Hannah Graham. Jesse Matthew, the man seen with Graham in those security videos from the night she disappeared, now has been indicted for murdering her. Our correspondent Brian Todd is Charlottesville for today's surprise announcement. So, Brian, tell our viewers how it went.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, you mentioned surprise, the timing of this announcement was a bit of a surprise given that there's a separate rape case against Jesse Matthew in Fairfax County that could go to trial soon. Still the announcement of charges today is a crucial step in a case that has horrified this community now for five months.
[Todd:] She was the subject of the largest missing persons search in Virginia's history. When she was found near this creek bed a month after her disappearance, all that was left of University of Virginia student Hannah Graham was her skull and some bones. Tonight the prime suspect in the case is formally charged.
[Denise Lunsford, Albemarle County Prosecutor:] Jesse Matthew Jr. was indicted in Albemarle County for abduction and murder of Hannah Graham.
[Todd:] Jesse Matthew was one of the last people seen with Graham early on the morning of September 13th. They've been spotted on surveillance video outside Tempo, an upscale bar in the Downtown Mall in Charlottesville. Graham had been captured on surveillance cameras just before that at various places in Charlottesville. Police and prosecutors won't discuss what evidence they have against Matthew, but Charlottesville criminal defense attorney Scott Goodman believes it's a strong case.
[Scott Goodman, Legal Analyst:] They have the evidence on the video on the Downtown Mall. They know that Miss Graham was last seen with Mr. Matthew. They also have the evidence that he fled from the scene. You have the car. There could be blood evidence.
[Todd:] Matthew has also been charged with the 2005 rape and attempted murder of a woman in Fairfax County, Virginia. He's pleaded not guilty in that case, which will likely go to trial later this year. And authorities say he's linked forensically to the 2009 disappearance of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington whose body was found not far from where Graham's was discovered. Despite the brutal nature of all three cases, the prosecutor says she's not seeking the death penalty for Graham's murder and she wouldn't say exactly why.
[Lunsford:] Understand that a great deal of serious thought went into this determination, including the impact on the community, the Grahams, and the need to provide Mr. Matthew with a fair trial.
[Todd:] We asked the prosecutor if a deal was made with Jesse Matthew to have him avoid the death penalty. She said they've had no discussions with Matthew or his lawyer about that. We contacted Jesse Matthew's lawyer Jim Camblos. He would not comment on the murder charge and Hannah Graham's parents could not be reached for their response to the new charge against Matthew or to the decision not to seek the death penalty Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Brian, in that Fairfax, Virginia, case, the victim survived. She managed to get away. That makes her extremely important in these cases, right?
[Todd:] Absolutely, Wolf. And the prosecutor in Fairfax has said just how crucial a witness she is. She is coming all the way from India to testify against Jesse Matthew in that case. That case was slated to begin in March but it's now been delayed, it may not begin until this summer.
[Blitzer:] Brian Todd, thanks very much. So the timing of the Jesse Matthew indictment is just one of today's surprises. It's also important and surprising that he's charged with first-degree murder but not capital murder. A capital murder charge, as you know, opens the possibility that Matthews could be executed if he's convicted. A first-degree murder conviction carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. Let's bring back the former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, along with investigative journalist Coy Barefoot, who's been covering this story since Hannah Graham disappeared. And our senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Coy, today's news out of Charlottesville, that's where you are, surprising for a number of reasons. But remind our viewers what led up to this point. Because this is an extremely unusual case, isn't it?
[Coy Barefoot, Investigative Reporter:] It is, Wolf. Listen, there's so many moving parts to this story. But here's the takeaway from today and here's what people need to understand. Jesse Matthew abducted Hannah Graham, he stole her from her family and from this community. He brutally murdered Hannah Graham and then he dumped her body like it was nothing but garbage in the dark, in the woods, in the mountain south of Charlottesville. That is precisely what police investigators. That's what prosecutors believe happened the night that Hannah Graham disappeared. It's this coming Friday night, it will be five months since Hannah Graham was last seen in downtown Charlottesville, barely able to stand on her own in the clutches of Jesse Matthew and her remains were found five weeks later. And ever since she went missing, we've wanted two things. We've wanted to know what happened to her and we've wanted justice if any crimes were committed. And what we know today that we didn't know yesterday is that the authorities here in Virginia are certain that they know what happened the night Hannah went missing and they intend to bring Jesse Matthew to justice for the horrific crimes that they believe he committed.
[Blitzer:] Right. And as you say, these are allegations. These are the charges. He's obviously innocent until he's proven guilty. But were you surprised, as far as the timing of the charges, the charge itself, that he's being charged with first-degree murder in the Hannah Graham case, not capital murder?
[Barefoot:] Wolf, I was blindsided by this announcement. I'm going to be honest with you. I was not expecting this. All of my sources have been saying for months, there's plenty of time in Albemarle County. We've got another trial going on in Fairfax. We'll wait until that's over and then what happened is the police wrapped up and the prosecutor said, well, why wait? And it was a pretty quick decision and they moved on it. And so we get the announcement today. As for no death penalty, that was a bit of a surprise. But I guess it shouldn't be. The last time I think anyone was executed for a crime committed in central Virginia was actually, interestingly enough, was 110 years ago today, February 10th, 1905, when a former mayor was hung to death for beating his wife to death in the bathtub in Charlottesville and he was the last man executed by hanging in Virginia and it took place here. I don't think anyone has been executed for a crime committed in central Virginia since that time.
[Blitzer:] So, Jeffrey, what's your analysis? Is that the explanation why they're going they're not going for the capital murder charge?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] Well, the key thing we don't know here is what the forensic evidence shows in the Hannah Graham case. Whether there is any DNA DNA evidence or similar evidence tying him to the crime. Because simply basing a case on his being seen on a video, it's suggestive but I don't know if that is enough to get a conviction, much less the death penalty. This plays into, I think, one of the less discussed facts about the death penalty in the United States. It is down all over. It's down in Texas. Prosecutors are asking for it less, jurors are imposing it less. And executions are taking place less. So this is one of the more liberal parts of Virginia, and the prosecutors apparently thought that you couldn't get it.
[Blitzer:] But, you know, usually in a case like this, in a case like this, you ask for the death penalty and maybe the guy will plead guilty, get life without the possibility of parole and then there won't be a trial or anything like that. They seem to be even foregoing that, right?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Well, normally the prosecutors are looking at a couple of things. First of all, they could change their mind. It's not, you know, set in stone that they're not going to ask for the death penalty. But, you know, what's happened in the last few months is that they linked him to the murder scene, to the crime scene to be able to say he killed her. There was plenty of video evidence there were to gather. They already have the hairs, fibers, DNA, showing that they had been together that night. That's not the issue. Because he could say he dropped her off and didn't see her again. She was fine when he left her. They have to have something at that crime scene, where the skeletal remains were found, or in his apartment after, or maybe he did, like many serial killers, took a trophy photograph after he killed her, or something else from her personal and they found that in the searches of his car
[Toobin:] He has and he has not yet been charged in this murder of the Virginia Tech student. That is a possibility for
[Blitzer:] That's a separate
[Toobin:] Separate case. Possibly the death
[Blitzer:] All right. Jeffrey, Tom, Coy, guys, thanks very much. Coming up, ISIS e-mails, evidence to the family that the American hostage Kayla Mueller leading officials to conclude she died in captivity. And as fighting explodes out of control in Ukraine, President Obama phones the Russian president Vladimir Putin and with an urgent appeal.

[Lemon:] If you're a parent of a teenager or young person you should listen to this. It's a secret sex game that kills hundreds each year. I'm talking about autoerotic asphyxiation. It is said to have taken the lives of some big stars. David Carradine died in 2009, found hanging in the closet of a hotel room, and the lead singer of Inxs, Michael Hutchins in a similar incident in a Sydney hotel room in 1997. For those who don't know and this is not for the faint of heart, it is the act of choking yourself, usually by hanging, slowly slowing the oxygen to the brain while masturbating and supposedly, increasing sexual pleasure. Death by autoerotic asphyxiation is often covered up by the family of those killed, some even preferring to say it was suicide. Not our next guest though. Ed Dejusus' 13-year-old son died while performing the sexual act on himself and he wants other people to know about it. Ed, thank you so much for being here.
[Ed Dejesus, Son Died From "thrill Hanging":] You're welcome.
[Lemon:] You're doing OK?
[Dejesus:] You know, we're having quite a bit of trouble. We still don't want to accept that, you know, he's gone. But I have a strong urge to get the word out and at least be able to tell kids, teachers, parents, whoever I can, so that, you know, if this saves one person, I would be more than happy. It's just a terrible situation that we're going through.
[Lemon:] We'll talk more about knowledge in just a little bit, about informing people about this. But I want to go back and find out what happened on that day last week. Your wife found your son's body. Can you tell me about that?
[Dejesus:] Yes. You know, we're divorced and every Wednesday, Thursday, I pick them up after school. I was at the grocery store, and almost done grocery shopping and I get a call, and it was my ex- wife on the phone. And she was hysterical. And you know, yelling on the phone, I couldn't understand what she said. My heart just about stopped. I knew something was wrong. I ran out of the store. She had told me that my son tried to kill himself. And from that point forward, you know, as a parent, you start to beat yourself up, wondering, what did you do wrong? That wasn't the case. You know, for about, I don't even know, about a 36-hour period, I had been doing research, going online, looking for this, looking for that. But basically, what had happened was he had been doing his homework once she left. She dropped our girls off to cheerleading practice. She gets home, calls his name. He didn't answer and went to his door. His door was locked. She unlocked it. She went into his room and found him in the closet. And from there, she actually started to perform CPR and if it wasn't for what she had done, we wouldn't have had the time that we had to say goodbye. So I'm forever grateful for that. As far as from there forward, it was, you know, a week in the hospital that I can tell you I don't even feel like I was there.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Dejesus:] It was just unbearably, you know, heartbreaking and my whole family, friends, just everybody. When I did find out I'm sorry, go ahead.
[Lemon:] No, I can't even imagine what you're going through and listen, this isn't anything new. It happened to a high school teacher, her son, the same thing, 20 years ago. So there's there is, you're right, a lack of information out there. As you mentioned in the beginning of this interview, this is a taboo conversation to be having because of the sexual component. When is the right time, you think, for parents to talk about this with their kids?
[Dejesus:] Well, you know, I have to tell you, too, it's not just, you know, kids doing this, you know, for masturbation. It's also kids doing it just to feel the, I guess, the way they feel when they get their oxygen back. You know, this is a situation that's been going on, and with the research I found, it was happening in Canada in the bathrooms in the school. And they changed a bunch of things in the school, and they added it to what they're teaching and pulled everything out that they could use, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. But it's a horrible situation and I'm just you know, we're all heartbroken.
[Lemon:] listen, I know that you it's your mission now to get schools to talk about this, to add this in part to their curriculum. I wish you luck. I think you're right on. Information is powerful and it does help. If it saves one life, as they say, it's all worth it. Ed Dejesus, thank you very much. We appreciate it, OK?
[Dejesus:] You're welcome.
[Lemon:] We'll be right back in a moment.

[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] A JetBlue plane nearly crashes into a small plane as it prepares for a landing. You'll hear from a passenger on board who describes this close call and what the airline is saying about this near disaster.
[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] And outgoing defense secretary Chuck Hagel holding nothing back. He sits down for an exclusive interview with CNN talking about pressure from the White House to release more prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, and whether the U.S. may need to spend troops to Iraq.
[Blackwell:] She could have spent decades in prison. But this week the woman convicted of shooting a gun near her estranged husband went home as a new deal frees her from a prison sentence. Can life return to normal? Plus heightened security, worries over the measles, and a fall from Grace for America's biggest sports league. Don't forget this pretty big football game going on, too. Newsroom starts now. It's 10:00 here in the east. Hope the morning has been good to you so far. I'm Christi Paul. I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you. You're in the CNN Newsroom. And this is an air traveler's worst nightmare, a midair disaster. This morning we're learning a JetBlue flight barely missed colliding with another plane. Here's what we know. The jet was headed from Orlando to Westchester County Airport in New York last Sunday.
[Paul:] Just when the flight was trying to land, we're told, that's when the pilots saw another plane headed their way.
[Blackwell:] And this morning we have new audio of those terrifying moments inside the cockpit. Listen.
[Unidentified Female:] For 94 we have traffic 11:00 two miles moving. The height is unknown.
[Unidentified Male:] We're looking into it, 94.
[Unidentified Female:] But 94, if you'd like, you can climb or descend.
[Unidentified Male:] We have them in sight, JetBlue 94.
[Paul:] OK, what you heard, that long beep, that was the alarm from the collision warning system. Let's bring in CNN national reporter Nick Valencia who has been examining this whole thing. That, if you're on a plane and you hear that, that's going to send a red alert.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] It's frightening. That's how one passenger described the situation to me, the whole experience surreal. They didn't realize how big a deal it was until they were able to process this. I spoke to Rick Germano. He was one of the passengers on a full commercial flight, that JetBlue flight 94 coming from Orlando, going towards White Plains, New York. And on its dissension, that's when the alarm system went off. That's a collision warning system. Rick Germano, who was on that flight, as I mentioned, described to me the scene.
[Rick Germano, Jetblue Passenger:] On approach to landing we were getting pretty excited because the flight was over, all of a sudden the plane made an abnormal maneuver. You could tell it just wasn't normal. And we turned quickly to the side and then all of a sudden heard a loud noise on the opposite side of the plane. I quickly looked over and my wife said to me we just got missed by a private plane. And our plane elevated and turned, and the other private plane dove and went underneath our plane.
[Valencia:] Rick tells me he has a five-year-old daughter and she was also on that flight with him and his wife. She was sitting right in the middle of both of them. He said that his wife actually saw the plane as it was making its way towards that commercial airliner nearly missing that full flight. He says what chokes him up the most is that his daughter's life, that five year old, could have lost her life. They all could be dead right now. He doesn't understand why it took so long for it to come out in the news. I was talking to him. I said, were you surprised there was a lack of news coverage? He said it speaks to perhaps that this happens a lot more than we care to believe.
[Blackwell:] What is the FAA saying about this, if anything?
[Valencia:] So here is the interesting thing. It appears that neither pilot did anything wrong, if you can believe that. This whole thing is under investigation right now. But the FAA did send a statement to CNN and I want to report that. It says "The pilot reported the smaller aircraft in sight, received the alert, and then climbed in response to the alert. The general aviation flight was operating under visual flight rules and was not required to communicate with air traffic controllers." So this small plane didn't do anything wrong. Rick Germano hopes that this would at the very least start a conversation about protocol in the air. He wants to see a change. The scary thing to him is that this could potentially happen again to somebody else.
[Paul:] You know, we have that map, a lot of times, of all the planes flying in the air at once. And I know that people look at that and think, oh, my gosh, how does it not happen more often? So there's an investigation, but what exactly does that mean? Does that mean that they might actually implement some changes in terms of that small plane that you said it wasn't required to talk to traffic control, right?
[Valencia:] It was operating under visual flight rules. So just what you see, watch out when you're up in the air, just be careful what you're doing. You don't have to check in with air traffic controllers. That's the scary part of it all. But JetBlue is saying they're cooperating with the FAA, launching an internal investigation. We'll see what comes of this. This happened last Sunday in the middle of the afternoon, the details of which are coming out now, a week later.
[Blackwell:] We, of course, will continue to follow it. And I know the people on that plane including the Germano family will follow it until they get some answers.
[Valencia:] Absolutely.
[Blackwell:] All right, Nick, thank you so much.
[Paul:] Boy, just glad that everybody is OK. But you know what, let's talk about this with CNN safety analyst and former FAA safety inspector David Soucie. David, thank you for being with us. There have been, as we understand now, at least two incidents of near collisions involving JetBlue. First of all, does that alarm you in itself?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Well, JetBlue specifically doesn't alarm me necessarily. I think that this is something that's a system- wide problem. It's something the FAA has been dealing with for many years now. It's another example of this overcrowding and trying to mix VFR with IFR, visual flight rules as Victor was saying with instrument flight rules. And there's just no real communication between the two. But operating in airports such as that, it is frightening and it is something that needs to be improved.
[Paul:] So as Nick was saying, since nobody did anything wrong and you talked about that as well with the visual flight rules, do you think that it's necessary to modify the way the small planes handle themselves?
[Soucie:] I don't think that's the case. I think the biggest problem is the air traffic control centers themselves who do monitor movement of VFR aircraft from primary radar. But I think the biggest problem is just that there's so much going on for those air traffic controllers, this is yet another case for next gen, which is the modification of our air traffic control system, the air space system itself, which would alleviate a lot of the air traffic centers' work burden. And so that's something held up by Congress, something that needs funding, but yet Congress is holding it up waiting for results from the FAA. It's a very difficult position that both of them are in.
[Paul:] I'm sorry. Just so I understand and to clarify what you're saying, you do think that there need to be changes with air traffic control itself. Do you think
[Soucie:] Correct.
[Paul:] Do you think it's possible for them to add more people? Is there room for that? Is there money for that?
[Soucie:] That's a good point, Christi. What really next gen is an improvement in the technology itself. It would not require more people. It would actually require less. It puts more of the burden of separation on the aircraft as they speak to each other in the air. Right now everything that goes communicating-wise and coordination and logistics goes through the air traffic control centers themselves. What next gen does is it allows the aircraft themselves to communicate back and forth to each other, thereby allowing them to know exactly where the other aircraft are at all times. So it really relieves the burden on the air traffic control center and makes it a lot more safe essentially now you're communicating directly with that other aircraft in the air with you.
[Paul:] All right, David Soucie, we always appreciate getting your expertise on these issues. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.
[Soucie:] Thank you, Christi and Victor.
[Blackwell:] All right, thank you, David. And now to the fight against is. We're learning coalition forces have carried out nearly 30 new air strikes against the terrorist group in Iraq and Syria. At least ten of those focused on Kirkuk, the city with the rich oil reserve. Now the latest operations destroyed various ISIS targets, including a rocket tube, several vehicles, buildings as well as a bunker used by ISIS. U.S. ground troops may be needed to fight the terrorist group on Iraq's frontlines, that's according to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel who sat down with CNN for an exclusive interview. Hagel, who has openly disagreed with the administration, is scheduled to leave office in just a matter of days. Yesterday employees lined the halls of the Pentagon to show their appreciation. Hagel offered his resignation in November after pressure from the White House. But, as Hagel prepares to leave, the big question remains, will U.S. troops be returning to the fight in Iraq? CNN's Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr has more for us.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] I asked Secretary Hagel if he thought it was possible a small number of U.S. troops might get sent to the front lines in Iraq to help Iraqi combat troops do things like picking out targets. He made clear it's an idea that cannot yet be ruled out.
[Chuck Hagel, Defense Secretary:] He said to his combatant commanders, Steve Hayes, senior writer for "The Weekly Standard," General Dempsey and General Austin, if you believe and you want to recommend, you think you need to recommend to me, to the president, that we should look at other options, then I want you to bring those recommendations to me. That so far has not happened. Whether that would happen in the future, again, the president has said to his commanders, if you think this is what's going to be required, I need to know it, you need to make the recommendation, and I'll listen.
[Starr:] What do you think?
[Hagel:] Well, I think just as the president has said, and it's the advice I've given the president, it's what General Dempsey has, is we have to look at all the options. And I think it may require a forward deployment of some of our troops, not doing the fighting, not doing the combat work that we did at one time for six years in Iraq and we did for many, many years in Afghanistan, but to help air strike precision
[Starr:] Locate targets, intelligence.
[Hagel:] Those are things where we can continue to support. I would say that we're not there yet. Whether we get there or not, I don't know. Whether that's something that our military commanders would recommend into the future, I don't know. But I think, just as the president has made clear, I need to know your honest opinion, and he's been very forthright about that, what you think, if that's something you think is required.
[Starr:] You're saying you think it could be necessary?
[Hagel:] It could be. But I'm not willing to say that it will be necessary. I say it could be necessary.
[Starr:] Hagel leaves office in a few days, but his view is one that is shared by some current military commanders. Barbara Starr, CNN, the Pentagon.
[Blackwell:] All right, Barbara, thanks. And our next segment we're going to talk with our military experts. They're going to way in on what the defense secretary just said. Are they surprised to hear that Hagel believes that there may be pressure or has been pressure from the White House over release of Guantanamo detainees? Also, what do they think about this suggestion that we could see U.S. troops on the front lines in this fight against ISIS?
[Paul:] Also, all the attention should be on the New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks, right? This year football may be the distraction surrounding the Super Bowl. Commissioner Roger Goodell not done talking about deflate-gate. We'll hear more. Stay close.

[Sciutto:] Welcome back. I'm Jim Sciutto in New York. We're following two major stories at this hour. One, developments in the case of the missing UVA student, Hannah Graham. Possible remains found in the investigation in that case. We also continue to follow the national response to the Ebola outbreak. The plan now, to combat the far-reaching effects of Ebola, and that is to leave no stone unturned. CNN has just learned that the TSA officer who patted down Ebola patient, Amber Vinson, in Cleveland on October 13th is now self monitoring as a precautionary measure. Meanwhile, Frontier Airlines is scrambling to contact as many as 800 passengers who may have flown on the same plane that Vinson flew on. And, a cruise ship is steaming back to Galveston, Texas, with a lab supervisor who may have come into contact with Ebola via a specimen from Thomas Eric Duncan. Amber Vinson and Nina Pham, still recovering at specially equipped hospitals. The monitoring period for the 48 people in Dallas who had contact with Liberian Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan is almost over. That's 21 days. That will be up tomorrow. He died last week, you'll remember. And now the question remains, are there any other people who need to be under observation? CNN's Alina Machado joining us live from Dallas. Alina, let me start with Duncan's girlfriend and her family. Will they be allowed to go back to their apartment now? Have they reached the end of that 21-day monitoring period?
[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Jim, Dallas county judge Clay Jenkins tells us the family will not be returning to the apartment, because their lease was already up. Instead, several community leaders have stepped up and they have found her a new place to live. So once that monitoring period ends for her, she will be going to a different place.
[Sciutto:] Now, tomorrow could be a promising milestone, because you are at the end of the 21-day period where, which is the incubation period for this virus, and if they don't show it in that period, that means they're not going to get sick. There were 48 people who came into contact with Duncan. So, this means tomorrow, Alina, they will no longer be monitored, assuming they get past that 21-day benchmark?
[Machado:] That's our understanding. Dallas County judge, the judge who I mentioned, Clay Jenkins told us the incubation period for these 48 people will end tomorrow night and Monday, so midnight Monday. And once that's over, they're supposed to be out of the red zone, so to speak.
[Sciutto:] Each of those markers, it would mean at least in the case of the first patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, that he did not cause anymore infections, I suppose. But you have these other patients already been infected from him, Nina Pham, Amber Vinson, and then they have 21-day periods, right? So those people came into contact with them and they still need to be monitored for some time.
[Machado:] Right, right. There are already dozens of health care workers who are being monitored, because they came into contact with those two nurses. And as you mentioned, there is a 21-day incubation period, so they will be monitored for 21 days after their last known exposure.
[Sciutto:] Right. And I suppose the point you'll get to, hopefully, is you pass all those 21-day periods with all the cases and then you're declared Ebola-free, which has happened, incredibly, perhaps, before the U.S. for countries like Nigeria and Senegal. And I imagine, Alina, that's what everybody is aiming for, you have no cases and everybody is past the 21-day period.
[Machado:] Absolutely. That's what everybody is hoping for here in Dallas.
[Sciutto:] OK. Thanks very much, Alina Machado. She's in Dallas. I want to turn now to Dr. Alexander Garza, health affairs for the Department of Homeland Security. He's also associate professor of epidemiology at St. Louis University. We have just learned that a TSA officer who patted down Ebola patient Amber Vinson. She's a nurse who contracted it from Thomas Duncan, has now decided to self monitor as a precautionary measure. To your knowledge, no signs of the disease, right? This is a precaution.
[Dr. Alexander Garza, St. Louis University:] Right, right. This is this is just what you said it is. It's a precaution. So patting down Amber Vinson in the airport when she was not having any real signs of infection, although she had that elevated temperature. But again, you have to be in contact with bodily fluids to really be at risk of contracting the disease.
[Sciutto:] Now, Dr. Garza, we have had some discussion on this program earlier with health experts about you need reaction, right? You need to be on top of this, but there is the possibility of overreaction. And I was recounting the story at the Pentagon yesterday, someone got sick outside the back bathroom and they brought in people with hazmat suits to clean it up. And you just wonder, at what point you're allocating or we as a country are allocating resources that could be better allocated elsewhere, where there really is a threat. How do you get that balance right?
[Garza:] Right. And so it has to be a prudent response, right? Otherwise, there's no upper limit. And so it's easy to understand, though, in the early days of an exposure to something that's new and novel and really sort of unknown, that you would the pendulum swing in such a far direction. But I think as more people get used to dealing with this issue, they become if they ever become more comfortable in dealing with this issue, that you can start ratcheting it back, and really start thinking about this from a risk-based perspective. What is my risk, and then how can I respond appropriately to that risk?
[Sciutto:] Well, one question that I imagine our viewers have is this. You have Amber Vinson. She's getting on the plane. She is patted down by a TSA officer. He, as a precaution, self-quarantines. He then presumably patted down other passengers afterwards. Now, we know medically that you're not contagious until you develop the disease and have symptoms. But does anyone think of then taking that next step just to make sure that everybody feels comfortable? I mean, how far do you carry each of these precautionary steps?
[Garza:] Right. Exactly. And I think that was the you know, what I was trying to get across. What's the upper limit now? So, presumably, the contact was very minimal. I mean, I've been patted at the airport before as well. And you know, it's usually your outer garments, they're wearing gloves, they change their gloves. But again, you have to be exposed to bodily fluids in order to contract the virus. And so, the risk of exposure to anyone else who is patted down by this TSA officer is virtually nil.
[Sciutto:] You're aware that the president just yesterday appointed an Ebola czar. He didn't use the term "czar" but we're used to this now. There have been drug czars and czars or other things.
[Garza:] Right.
[Sciutto:] But knowing that there are so many agencies involved in the response, yours being one of them, DHS, that you have the CDC, you have NIH, you have individual hospitals, police forces, et cetera. In your view, is it smart to have a national figure in the White House that's coordinating everything?
[Garza:] Well, yes and no. So, yes, because really, the White House, I think, is the only place where you can have that position, and for exactly those reasons that you mentioned. It's spanning multiple different federal agencies. But not just the federal agencies, also those state and local providers, as well as those private providers, those health care providers, nurses, doctors, infectious disease specialists, public health officials. And so, it's a very broad umbrella. And there's really no one position in a federal agency that can oversee that entire operation. So, it really does need to be coordinated a very high level. And the national security staff, the White House, is is the best place to put that.
[Sciutto:] Dr. Alexander Garza, former assistant secretary for health affairs at the Department of Homeland Security thanks for joining us.
[Garza:] Thank you.
[Sciutto:] Well, they are the dealing with Ebola on the front lines. The cleaning crews responsible for cleaning the Ebola patients residences and the hospitals. Coming up, how they're dealing with the new demand. And more on the other major story we're following, the grim discovery in Charlottesville, Virginia. Why this may closing the book on the search for the missing UVA student, Hannah Graham.

[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Overnight major developments in the search for Flight 370. Two new signals have been detected by search crews in the Indian Ocean. If this is the missing plane, it will be a tremendous task to try to recover it even once they located specifically the black boxes. I'm standing here at our at the top of our staircase to help give you a real sense of, a better sense of just how deep and challenging the Indian Ocean is where the crews are looking. Let's put up this animation just to give you some perspective, some comparisons. See the sea level at the very top. If you're scuba diving you're going to be around about over 100 feet. Empire State Building, we've used that comparison a few times, that's over 1,000 feet. That's nowhere near where we're working right now. If you're looking then at the Grand Canyon, another comparison that we've used before, that's over that's over 5,000 feet you're looking at. And then the Titanic. This is wreckage they've used some of these special vehicles that they will hopefully use this time around when they get there. The Titanic was wreckage was discovered at over 12,000 feet. Yet again, not even at the level what we're talking about here. Let's bring in Jeff Wise, CNN aviation analyst, to talk about this search today. It really shows you the perspective of what you're dealing with. It's deeper than anything we've looked at before. The TPL, when we're towing that, almost 10,000 feet below the surface. The pings they picked up, that's over 13 some 13,000 feet below the surface. Just what are the challenges that these depths that they're dealing with even though they're pretty optimistic they've found the right spot?
[Jeff Wise, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] They're optimistic, but there is a lot of challenges. We are talking about 3 miles down. You've got the weight of 3 miles of water on top of you. Water is heavy stuff. Talking about imagine an elephant, the weight of an elephant concentrated on an area the size of a postage stamp. That's the kind of crushing force you've got to deal with. Also it's dark. When you get down below 1,000 feet down, sunlight never penetrates and you're in this world of total permanent darkness. It's alien world down there. It's quiet, cold, and dark.
[Bolduan:] And then the seabed, it's just under 3 miles down. That's about 15,000 feet. They're talking about concerns or the impact of silt on finding the black box and on the search. What's the impact of that? Many of us have no idea what they're talking about when they talk about silt on the seabed.
[Wise:] Over the centuries, this sort of a debris that filters down from the surface world, things die and disintegrate and filter down and become clay like muck. And things fall into there and they can disappear. We don't really know, it hasn't been characterized what's down there, is it mountainous, rugged, flat? They've been reluctant to deploy that autonomous underwater vehicle with the side scan sonar that could characterize the bottom. I guess they're trying to keep it quiet down there so the tow can be quiet to detect those pings.
[Bolduan:] And another interesting thing as we look at this animation again and you see where the tow ping locator is. They were saying the area that can be covered by the tow ping locator in one day, if you put the autonomous underwater vehicle down there, it's so much slower, so much of a more difficult task, that would take six to seven days with a tow ping locator can do in one day. Kind of helps us understand why they're not yet putting it down there.
[Wise:] Right. They're trying to narrow it down as much as possible. They're trying to get that last few bits of signal before the battery is completely dead, before they've convinced themselves that the battery is dead, there's no chance left. Then they will deploy the underwater vehicle.
[Bolduan:] When you take all of this under consideration, the depths, the challenges of what happens when you get down there, are you yet convinced that these pings are the black box?
[Wise:] Well, you know, remember the frequency doesn't match. There's been some speculation that there might be some reasons why the frequency has changed.
[Bolduan:] Battery life, depth.
[Wise:] Consistent with it. But it's not that kind of smoking gun that you really want where it's exactly the right frequency. So after a month of this bizarre saga that we've been through, it's all come down to the cylinder of ocean, about 12 miles across or so, about 3 miles deep. This dark, cold, you know, alien world. And we're trying to find out what's in this cylinder, if it's there, great. If it's not there, well, boy, we're really back to square one.
[Bolduan:] Especially when we are at we are even past what should be the battery life of these pingers. They still want more pings at these it's pretty amazing that they are going to be able to pull it off. Jeff, great to see you. Thanks for your perspective. I appreciate it Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Kate, let's take a break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, breaking news in the Oscar Pistorius trial. Did the Blade Runner change his story? Prosecutors think so and they're coming at him hard. We're going to bring you more of his testimony. Plus, a married congressman caught on tape kissing an equally married staffer. Either you care or you don't as a voter, but what if you're her husband. He's speaking out and you may be surprise by his take.

[Costello:] Europe's bloodiest war in decades continues to spiral out of control on the eve of a potential crunch meeting between world leaders who are hoping to broker peace in eastern Ukraine. But despite all the efforts to date, the deadly battle rages on. Look at the video capturing a rocket attack on a soup kitchen. You can hear the glass shattering and tears and the sheer terror of what it's like to live in a war zone. CNN's senior international correspondents join me now with more on this and on Russia's reaction to talks with Germany and France and kind of the United States. Frederik Pleitgen is live in Kiev. Matthew Chance, live in Moscow. I'll start with you, Frederik. What's the latest from the ground in Ukraine?
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Certainly, you're absolutely right, Carol, that the battle here certainly goes on unabated. One of the big incidents that happened today is that a major headquarters of the Ukrainian military was shelled. So far, the casualty numbers that we have is that 7 people were killed, 16 apparently were wounded. We have heard from the Ukrainian military and from Ukrainian security officials that apparently one military officer is also among those killed and 10 military personnel could be among those who were wounded. They say that the rockets that hit this area hit both civilian area, as well as this main military base, and certainly did cause a lot of carnage. For the Ukrainians, for their part, it appears as though they also have offensive operations going on down in the southeast of the country, near Mariupol, where they're trying to win back land. So it appears as though, Carol, as these peace talks or these cease-fire talks inch closer that both sides are still trying to create facts on the battlefield. Because of course, one of the things, for instance, the government here in Kiev is hoping for is for a cease-fire to take place very, very soon and to freeze the conflict in its current state. Of course, there are still many, many questions that remain there. How much territory would the separatists de facto be able to keep? Would all heavy weapons have to leave the area? Will there be a demilitarized zone? So there are still many, many questions. But certainly, the weapons speaking today, once again, on the battlefield in eastern Ukraine, Carol.
[Costello:] And of course, the question many lawmakers are asking here in the United States is will President Obama agree to arm the Ukrainian military? There's a complication to that, right, Frederik? Because apparently there are Russian spies within the Ukrainian military?
[Pleitgen:] Well, that certainly could be one of the complications, Carol, is what kind of military are you actually giving these weapons to? The Ukrainians, for their part, certainly are saying they need these weapons. They feel that they're not only out gunned on the battlefield, but that the pro-Russian separatists have better technology. However, they also acknowledge that they have a big problem with infiltration of their military by what they call "pro- Russian spies." They say this goes as high as their own general command, that there's people there who have given information to Russia. They say it includes everything from troop movement to the kind of military hardware that is on the front lines there in eastern Ukraine all the way to detailed battle positions. For instance, checkpoints that have been given to the pro Russian separatists, as well as to Russia itself, carol.
[Costello:] Let's talk about Russia and let's go to Matthew Chance. So, there's a rumor going around that Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, will give an ultimatum to Vladimir Putin and that has not made him happy. In fact, the Kremlin spoke out on Russian radio saying, oh, no, you don't give Mr. Putin ultimatums. Can you expand on that for us, Matthew?
[Matthew Chance, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yeah, I mean, the report was that Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, basically said to Vladimir Putin during negotiations in Moscow last week, you know, look, unless we find a compromise and a deal at the negotiations that we're going to attend in Belarus on Wednesday, I'm not going to be able to hold the United States back from supplying weapons to the Ukrainian government, and I'm not going to be able to prevent more stinging sanctions being implemented both by the U.S. and the European Union. What we had from the Kremlin's press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, is word that, you know, a denial, essentially, that any such language was used. Playing down this idea that this kind of discussion was an ultimatum. He said something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing him here, you know, you don't speak to the president of Russia in that tone. Nobody does. And so it was also a kind of veiled threat or a warning as to what tone the negotiations on Wednesday in Minsk, the capital of Belarus, should take if these leaders of France and Germany and Ukraine, as well, that are going to be attending along with Vladimir Putin, want him to respond positively, Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Frederik Pleitgen and Matthew Chance, thanks to both of you. I appreciate it. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, a young family missing for years found murdered in the desert. What their accused killer is saying next.

[Berman:] We have a story right now that might very well shock you. A lawsuit says a 14-year-old special needs girl was used as bait to try to catch an alleged school rapist and she ended up being raped herself. Let's see if you can follow this. The suit says a teacher's aide encouraged her to meet a 16-year-old boy in a bathroom where teachers would intervene in a sting, but it all went wrong when the boy asked to meet in a different bathroom than the one that was expected, and that's when the alleged rape occurred. No one stopped it. No one was there to stop it. Now the federal government is supporting the girl's family in a suit against the school board in the Alabama county where this all happened. Joining me now to discuss this is Wendy Murphy, a former prosecutor and law professor at New England School of law in Boston. I want to break this down piece by piece. If this went down as the suit alleges how risky would bit for a school official to try to set up some kind of sting with no law enforcement participation at all? Have you ever heard of anything like this?
[Wendy Murphy, Law Professor, New England School Of Law & Former Prosecutor:] No. No, John. And you know using the word "risky," I really want to use such strong language, and I think you'll probably be fined if I do that. It's not just that it's risky to this poor girl. It's risky to the school in terms of liability. And, make no mistake, they will pay dearly, dearly for what they did. It is absurd. It is not remotely the correct way to respond to concerns about a repeat offender on campus, whether you're in middle school, high school or college, it's all the same. Title IX covers this is kind of behavior. Schools are required to be pro active, but under no definition of pro active, are they required to set up a sting. This is so silly. It's crazy.
[Berman:] The local district attorney investigated this incident, didn't pursue the rape claim after the victim was unwilling or unable to discuss it? Is that a separate issue than in the idea of this alleged sting?
[Murphy:] It is a separate question to some extent. Holding prosecutors accountable for responding correctly to rape on campus requires a different approach, both legally and politically, than holding schools accountable when they do the wrong thing. Remember, we're talking about a civil rights violation when it happens on campus. But in the real world, the very same incident is a crime and they are treated in very different ways and venues, but they are both critically important and both should proceed. What I don't like about this story is it appears both in the real world legal system and on campus, officials were looking for videotape proof of the incident. I think the NFL knows better than to do that ever again and I hope this case sends a very different message. You don't need proof.
[Berman:] No.
[Murphy:] The word of a girl or a woman is sufficient to require responsible authorities to proceed.
[Berman:] You made up a good point I didn't make clear before. This girl had come forward and said that she had been approached by this boy. She was nervous about it, which is why then, allegedly, the school set up this sting to catch him in the act. Because the school said they didn't have enough to go after him unless they caught him in the act of a rape. That does seem outrageous.
[Murphy:] That's where the school is wrong. And this young man apparently had multiple prior offenses. So you don't have to have 14 different girls come forward before you do something, and you certainly don't have to then prove it with yet another girl before you step up and take effective action. I actually wrote the first article in the nation on this issue connecting the dots between Title IX and sexual assault on campus, and shockingly, at the time I wrote the article, which was in 2006, very few schools had anything in place to deal with the problem of sexual harassment and assault on campus. As a result of which you do have situations like this, where schools do nothing until something extreme happens, and then they do it wrong.
[Berman:] We've got a whole lot of questions about this one. Wendy Murphy, thank you for joining us. Our Victor Blackwell is in Alabama digging more into this. What we've heard so far raises so many questions. Here's how the school board is it responding. "School officials are confident the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will rule in favor of the board and the administrators. Our attorneys recommend that we not discuss ongoing litigation". Much more on this ahead. Ahead @THISHOUR, the former first family talking about world problems at the Clinton Global Initiative. But is it world problems that the political world is thinking about while they look at this picture, and could the big news be about a baby? That's next.

[Blitzer:] As Kurdish forces battle ISIS on the front lines in Iraq, the terror group has carried out a rare bombing right in the heart of the Kurdish capital, but was it targeting Americans? The suicide attackers struck outside the governor's office in Erbil. That's a city mostly untouched by Iraq's violence, at least so far. It has a large international presence, including a U.S. military operation center with several, a lot of American diplomats and American military personnel on the scene. The House Intelligence Committee chairman, Mike Rogers, is standing by. We're going to get his thoughts in just a moment. But let's go to our chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto. He's got more on the very latest.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Anchor:] Well, frankly, this is a concerning development because Erbil has been, at this point, an oasis of relative security in Iraq. It has a strong security system, cohesive security forces, but today's attack penetrated that security. A suicide car bomber detonating at the entrance of a government building near the city's ancient citadel, killing at least four, wounding some 29. Remember, the Kurdish stronghold is one of two main bases for U.S. military advisors. There are about 75 stationed there, some 200 diplomats, many more American businessmen and officials regularly traveling there to a city that has regular international flights. In fact, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Martin Dempsey was just there this week. I am told by U.S. military officials, however, there is no evidence that this attack was intended to target U.S. personnel, U.S. diplomats, soldiers, et cetera. But in essence, how close things are there, Wolf, where this bomb struck is just about two and a half miles from where the U.S. embassy compound is.
[Blitzer:] And what are the administration's latest plans on potentially seeking additional congressional authorization to engage in this war against ISIS?
[Sciutto:] As you're aware, the president has said President Obama said he'd like to right-size a new authority ending the current dependence on the original 911 authorization, which was original aimed at al Qaeda. Questioned today by senators in his confirmation hearing, the president's nominee for deputy secretary of state, Tony Blinken said the White House will introduce legislation if it believes it can pass Congress.
[Anthony Blinken, Deputy Secretary Of State Nominee:] We would like to have a targeted, focused AUMF that deals with the challenge before us, which is defeating ISIL. And if we can get an AUMF that gets broad support there's no question we will be better off.
[Sciutto:] Some of the newest calls from new authorization are coming from Democrats. In fact, Senator Tim Kaine from Virginia, for instance, and House member and intel committee member Adam Schiff. They're pushing for it, but the trouble is you have many Republicans calling for it, too. But they might have a different vision of what this authorization would have. For instance, should it have an authorization for the use of ground troops, something the administration has said it does not want does not want to have.
[Blitzer:] Lots going on. Jim Sciutto, thanks very much. Joining us now, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Republican Congressman Mike Rogers of Michigan. Congressman, thanks so much for joining us. Based on everything you know, are Americans, military, diplomatic, business personnel, are they being specifically targeted in this Kurdish capital of Erbil?
[Rep. Mike Rogers , Chairman, House Intelligence Committee:] I don't think this specific attack, Wolf, was targeted at the Americans. I think it was targeted at Kurdish government officials. And again, what we've seen in the past is ISIL uses suicide bombers not only in tactical units when it does attacks in western Iraq or eastern Syria, but we've seen this call for more terrorist activity outside of that region. And it only fits there are certain areas of recent chatter that they want to have this terrorist activity reach into places where they think they can create problems for the government. Certainly the Kurds and the Peshmerga have created problems for them. I think that's what you saw here today was specifically targeted at that.
[Blitzer:] And I guess I know the answer, but I just want your thoughts. And Israel, as you know, three American rabbis were killed yesterday as they were praying in a synagogue. Last month an American baby was killed in Jerusalem in one of these hit-and-run terror attacks. The question is are Americans being targeted in Jerusalem?
[Rogers:] Well, both Israelis are being targeted and, certainly, an American Jew is a big target for any of those targeted attacks, simply because of the press that it gets and the chaos that it creates. So we think some of it was targeted, certainly, at Israeli citizens with the added benefit in their mind of attacking Jewish Americans. And what's concerning is that we're seeing an ISIS or ISIL tactic adopted by others. We knew that there was a lot of conversations. We know that 21 of the 21 al Qaeda affiliates that we track, about half of them are have pledged allegiance to ISIS. We know that there's been a lot of communications. This was a wing, we think, of the Palestinian, the PLO, right? The Palestinian liberation army. We think it was a faction of that that conducted this attack, so it was clearly targeted and clearly political violence and clearly terrorism. And that's what's so concerning.
[Blitzer:] So you don't think these two guys, these two cousins who went into the synagogue yesterday morning and killed these people. They had these meat cleavers or whatever. They were just acting on their own? They were lone wolves, as they say. They were inspired, but this was actually part of some sort of terror plot. Is that what you're saying?
[Rogers:] I think it was certainly an aspiration of the PLO to have that faction and the militant wing have a successful terrorist attack. Now there's the link is certainly circumstantial at this point, but I think in the days ahead, you'll find that there was lots of encouragement for this to happen. And that's again, just as it is when ISIL contacts the people in Australia and says randomly kidnap people and cut their heads off. I believe you're going to find very similar profiles in the Israeli attack and what we saw ISIL trying to promote in Australia and Canada and the United States in France and Germany.
[Blitzer:] Now you say PLO, you don't mean the Palestine Liberation Organization. You're you're referring to some extreme organization, right?
[Rogers:] It's a militant faction. It is a militant group associated with the Palestinian Liberation Army. And so it is very clear distinction there, and I may have misspoke earlier.
[Blitzer:] Yes. I just want to make sure you're not referring to the PLO. You indicated the U.S. needs to move more quickly when it comes to ISIS. What else can the U.S. be doing? What should the U.S. be doing?
[Rogers:] You know, we need an aggressive tempo in order to make the Peshmerga more impactful, the Iraqi military more impactful. They're going to need U.S. soldiers with special capabilities with them. We have seen this in the past. It makes the fighters far more effective and Syrian rebels, as well. And we're going to have to start targeting in a more robust way their operations in Syria. And again, we're not talking about the 101st Airborne, or the 4th Infantry Division. We're talking special capability soldiers and intelligence officials, targeted strikes, and allowing the logistics that would go along with supporting those units may be American enabled as well as intelligence packages. With all of that comes better intelligence, comes more effective fighters. I think we'll short circuit the need for any big military movement if this starts and begins to spill over as you saw today with the attack in Erbil. You don't we don't want this fanning and expanding the borders of where the current conflict is, because it cause more it will cause more instability, more problems across the Middle East. Remember, their stated goal is to go into Israel and Jordan, and Lebanon. And that is concerning.
[Blitzer:] Has the vetting of Syrian rebels opposed to the Bashar al-Assad regime actually begun? Because we did receive some indications from Representative Peter King on the House side that some rebels already are being vetted and presumably getting ready to be shipped off to Saudi Arabia for training.
[Rogers:] I don't want to talk about any of the specifics. Obviously, there are Sunni-led nations who are participating, are assisting in vetting processes today. And we know that, certainly, our military intelligence and our civilian intelligence agencies have are participating in a vetting process to make sure that we get the right kind, or at least nothing's perfect, if we think this is going to be perfect, we should take that out of their heads. It will have some problems. But I think we can get to a very confident state where you can train these rebels and make them effective, because it also fits their goals and their aims of making sure they're not fighting ISIS. Remember, some of them will fight ISIS today. Al-Nusra, the al Qaeda affiliate there tomorrow. And the Assad regime next week. And so that presents a pool of individuals we believe can be vetted, I think, accurately and safely and then employed to help us, which would help the United States national security interests push back on al-Nusra and al Qaeda affiliate and ISIS, which used to be an al Qaeda affiliate.
[Blitzer:] We're going to have a lot more on the other breaking news: the president getting ready to announce a major shift in immigration policy in a primetime televised address tomorrow night. But what are your thoughts? Is the president legally authorized to go ahead and allow 3 million, maybe 3.5 million people who don't have authorization, who are here without legal status, is the president authorized to go ahead and shift some of these policy decisions on his own?
[Rogers:] I don't believe he is, but I will tell you that even if let's just say for point of argument he is, this is so divisive. There is this is the failure of his presidency, I think, if he does this. And he's had a lot of certain troubles, certainly, in the recent past. But this will absolutely poison the relationship, if he has any left, between Congress and the American people. There is a way, Wolf, which is so disappointing to me in this administration, to sit down and work through these issues. The House has passed a version of immigration reform. The Senate has a version of immigration reform. There is ways to sit down and actually lead discussions I know this is hard leave discussions with both parties, both sets of ideas, to come to a conclusion. Doing this is only serving a very narrow slice of whatever the president's agenda is on this, and I'll let viewers can make their own determination. But I will guarantee you this will cause real problems across America and really divide America in a way. And it won't be just Republicans and Democrats. I think that is a misnomer. You're going to see this cut across party lines in a way we haven't seen before. And that divisiveness will poison every other major accomplishment we need to get done on behalf of the American people, certainly in this term and going into next term, as well.
[Blitzer:] If the Senate-passed immigration legislation had come up for a vote in the House of Representatives in the past, with several Republicans supporting it in addition to the Democrats, would you have voted for it?
[Rogers:] Not in its current form. But I think the changes are not there are negotiable portions of this bill, meaning there are ways to come to an agreement on immigration reform. But the problem is no one was talking about it. Nobody was sitting in the same room discussing those differences. You know, you can do it if you actually sit in a room and have this discussion about these differences and you get to a place. What you see now is "I'm going to get everything I want" That's what the president is saying "or I will take nothing." That's wrong. I mean, it's wrong here in the Congress if we do that, and it's wrong if the president does it. And I'll guarantee you, Wolf, I talked to a lot of people back home. This is very divisive. And I don't think that's healthy for America that's trying to heal itself in its economy, in its stature, in foreign affairs. I really I really am troubled by this.
[Blitzer:] Mike Rogers is retiring from the United States House of Representatives, leaving. Good luck in the next chapter of your life, Mr. Chairman. Thanks very much for joining us.
[Rogers:] Thanks, Wolf. Six more weeks as chairman.
[Blitzer:] But who's counting? Right?
[Rogers:] Yes, exactly.
[Blitzer:] Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Mike Rogers. Thanks very much.
[Rogers:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] Coming up, Israel is stepping up its security as it promises to retaliate for a grisly attack in a synagogue. We're going live to Jerusalem, where tensions are rising. And the suspect Jesse Matthew may now face murder charges after officials rule Hannah Graham's death a homicide. We have details. That's coming up. Stay with us. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.

[Nancy Grace:] Breaking news tonight. The wildly popular TV star of "Devious Maids," "The Office," "7th Heaven," "Law and Order," "The Fosters," at this hour, the target of a child sex molestation probe. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, the star`s lawyer fights back, claiming his estranged wife is using the tape to extort money. What`s more important is what the lawyer doesn`t say My client does not molest little girls!
[Unidentified Male:] The "7th Heaven" dad is accused of child molestation. ... is the target of an ongoing child molestation investigation.
[Unidentified Female:] Shocking allegations.
[Unidentified Male:] His estranged wife says Collins admitted to molesting three underage girls.
[Grace:] And live, California suburbs, a local town mayor pronounced dead after being shot multiple times by his wife. Tonight, that wife, Lavette Crespo, walks free. As we go to air, we obtain the chilling 911 call.
[Unidentified Male:] The 45-year-old mayor, Daniel Crespo, who was shot dead in his home.
[Unidentified Female:] ... 19-year-old son tried to break it up. But Crespo shot her husband three times to stop the altercation.
[Grace:] And Utah, a major search under way for a missing 30-year-old woman who vanishes from her upscale condo without shoes, money or phone. Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with me. Bombshell tonight. The wildly popular star of "Devious Maids," "The Office," "7th Heaven," "Law and Order," "The Fosters" at this hour the target of a child sex molestation probe. As we go to air, the star`s lawyer fights back, claiming his client`s estranged wife is using the tape to extort money. But what`s more important is what his lawyer doesn`t say. For instance, My client did not molest little girls? Straight out to Sara Sidner, CNN correspondent joining us from LA. Sara, I was very surprised that Stephen Collins`s lawyer gave a statement about this tape, this tape that apparently divulges multiple little girls that he has molested, and when he does address the tape, instead of saying, This isn`t true, my client didn`t do this, he would never touch a little girl, instead he simply says his estranged wife is basically bleeding him dry, that she`s extorting him for millions of dollars. That`s what this is all about. He never once said, That`s not my client on the tape, he would never do that.
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, that`s true. And we`ve reached out to Stephen Collins. We have reached out to his representatives, as well his attorney. That was the attorney Mark Vincent Caplan, who gave the statement. And I want to read it to you so you can hear exactly what it is he told TMZ. Basically, in that statement, he said, Look, over the course of his representation of Stephen in the divorce case, Faye and that`s, of course, his estranged wife has repeatedly threatened to give this audiotape to the media unless Stephen agreed to pay her millions of dollars more than that to which she was legally entitled. And then he goes on to say because here`s where he addresses the allegations and addresses the videotape. He says, "Though we would like to address the tape itself, the circumstances dictate that we must regrettably refrain from doing so at this time." You do know that the two are in a contentious divorce. But he does never come out and says that, We are saying this did not happen, that this tape is not authenticated. We don`t have any of that from him or his lawyer.
[Grace:] Right. What the point I was originally making he does make a comment. He does comment on the tape, the lawyer does, by saying, yes, she`s been threatening to release this for a long time. She`s extorting money. So he does address the tape, but he never says, That`s not my client on the tape, my client would never touch a little girl. Everybody, what you are just seeing is video of "7th Heaven" from CBS TV Distribution. That`s Stephen Collins. And I haven`t met a single person that doesn`t like Stephen Collins. He has been the star of "7th Heaven" that lasted almost 10 years or more "The Fosters," "The Office." Who doesn`t love "The Office"? It goes on and on. And he always plays father roles, even a preacher, a pastor in one role. I want you to hear a portion of the tape that we keep talking about. Now, remember, he is in a contentious divorce right now with his estranged wife. Apparently, the circumstances surrounding this tape are he is at a therapy session with her before the divorce. They`re trying to, I guess, work through their problems, and this is what she extracts from him. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Female:] How many times with
[Unidentified Male:] Once.
[Unidentified Female:] And you said that there was another girl. How many girls altogether?
[Unidentified Male:] That`s it.
[Unidentified Female:] You said that there was...
[Unidentified Male:] Yes. There were I think yes, there were, like, three incidents over about three years.
[Unidentified Female:] OK. So and then there was the girl across the way at
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Grace:] CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of that audiotape it was obtained by TMZ or identified the voices or confirmed if the tape had been edited or doctored in some way. To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You know, Marc, last night, I was being very tentative concerned about the authenticity of the tape because you know, Marc, the tape, oral or audio or video, you`ve got to authenticate it, prove that`s really him before he`s lambasted, before he loses his job, before he`s prosecuted. You`ve got to be able to prove that`s him confessing to this. And there`s more to the tape that I have heard. But when the lawyer came out today, Marc Klaas, and said, Hey, this tape is all about his estranged wife trying to milk money out of him, you know what? He should probably not have said anything. That`s, like, the camel`s nose in the tent. Once the nose is in, the tail will surely follow. If you`re going to address the tape on behalf of your client, for Pete`s sakes, scream to the rooftops, That`s not my client, he didn`t do that, he would never molest a little girl. Instead, he goes, Oh, it`s the wife. She`s using this against him to get money.
[Marc Klaas, Klaas Kids Foundation:] You know, even beyond that, Nancy, there are firms in Hollywood that specialize in damage control. If he knew this was coming and apparently he did because they say that she`s been shopping this around for a long time he should have tried to get out in front of it some way to either deny that that was him on the tape or come up with some other explanation. Instead, it looks like he just girded up and waited for these revelations to come out, and then his lawyer has handled it incredibly badly. This looks terrible for Mr. Collins, and I...
[Grace:] I mean, Marc, what you expect everybody, you`re seeing video from "Law & Order SVU" from NBC Universal TV. There you see Stephen Collins once again starring on TV, usually in a father figure setting, sometimes even a pastor. But you know, Caryn Stark, psychologist, what is missing here is that the lawyer makes a statement and addresses the tape, all right, but he never says, My client would never molest a little girl, this is ridiculous, I demand justice. Instead, they attack the wife. You know, I don`t know. Maybe she is trying to get money. I don`t know anything about that. I do know she says she didn`t leak this tape. I know that. But I`m more concerned I`m not concerned about their millions of dollars and who`s going to get the Lamborghini and who`s going to get the Porsche and who`s going to get this house and who`s going to get that condo. I`m concerned about child molestation, Caryn Stark..
[Caryn Stark, Psychologist:] Nancy, that is all that counts here. It doesn`t matter whether this is media control, whether she`s doing the wrong thing as a wronged wife. It doesn`t matter that he was maligned in some way. All that matters is whether this, in fact, is him. And if this is him, that`s despicable and he has a major problem.
[Grace:] You know, it`s it unleash the lawyers, Parag Shah, Jason Oshins. Jason, all three of us have tried a lot of cases, more than we can count between the three of us. And here`s the concern. If you`re going to come out as a lawyer and defend your client in a case like this, you know what? Say it`s not your client, deny it, scream, throw a fit. But to just attack the wife for releasing it that`s all you got for me?
[Jason Oshins, Defense Attorney:] Yes, Nancy, he`s obviously been involved in this divorce case for a very long time, and maybe doesn`t have the skill set...
[Grace:] Don`t care.
[Oshins:] Say that again, Nancy?
[Grace:] Don`t care about the divorce case.
[Oshins:] Yes, I understand but...
[Grace:] I don`t care about the money.
[Oshins:] Well, money certainly at the root of any divorce case really fuels everything, unfortunately. But the reality is, is that if he had nothing to say about the criminal case, he should have said nothing, as you said, about any of it.
[Grace:] Another thing, Chloe Melas, senior reporter, Hollywoodlife.com, it seems to me that people are handling Stephen Collins with kid gloves. Nobody wants to play the tape in its entirety. Everybody is concerned. You know, even his own lawyer won`t say, This is not my client.
[Chloe Melas, Hollywoodlife.com:] Even I`m concerned, as I write these articles for Hollywoodlife.com. It`s because you`re dealing with an alleged molestation of children. You have to be really careful. It`s not necessarily just like a big Hollywood divorce scandal. There are many layers, and the fallout has been unimaginable, Nancy. I mean, just the fact that he has resigned from the Screen Actors Guild, the fact that he`s already been fired from his movie, "Ted 2," by Seth McFarland, people are taking this very seriously in Hollywood, and they`re not handling him with kid gloves there.
[Grace:] Well, I appreciate that Hollywood that he has resigned from SAG, Screen Actors Guild. But you know, in the world that I live in, the rest of the world outside of Hollywood, I think more people are concerned about, are these allegations true that he`s been molesting little children, as opposed to him resigning from the Screen Actors Guild. Everybody, you`re seeing video now from "The Office" from NBC TV Distribution. That`s Stephen Collins. The bottom line is, is the tape real? If it is, he has confessed to molesting little girls, forcing their hands on his penis. The New York NYPD says that a woman came to them claiming he molested her at a tender age in a Greenwich Village apartment. It goes on and on. The tape we`re talking about here`s a portion of it.
[Unidentified Female:] How many times with
[Unidentified Male:] Once.
[Unidentified Female:] And you said that there was another girl. How many girls altogether?
[Unidentified Male:] That`s it.
[Unidentified Female:] You said that there was...
[Unidentified Male:] Yes. There were I think yes, there were, like, three incidents over about three years.
[Unidentified Female:] OK. So and then there was the girl across the way at
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Grace:] CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of the tape. It was obtained by TMZ. CNN has not identified the voices or confirmed that the tape has been edited in some way. For those of you just joining us, TV star of "The Office," "The Fosters," "7th Heaven" allegedly caught on tape admitting to pedophilia and multiple little girl victims. What`s next?

[Unidentified Male:] ESPN and "The New York Post" reporting that disgraced owner Donald Sterling is battling prostate cancer. I hope it's not true.
[Unidentified Female:] Ukrainian troops launching, as they're calling it, this anti-terrorism operation.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Reports of sex assaults in the military are up by half.
[Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysian Defense Minister:] We are resolute in our commitment to find MH370.
[Sarah Bajc, Partner Of Mh370 Passenger:] Malaysian Airlines is sending everybody home. This is a support network that everybody has developed.
[Amanda Knox, Accused Of Murder:] Any trace of me is not there. I did not kill my friend.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. The Kremlin now says peace is doomed in Ukraine amid new violence there. There's a critical meeting at the White House today. President Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel still trying to find a diplomatic solution to that situation. Overnight Ukraine says two of its military officers were killed. And Russian state media reports one separatist was killed as well. Let's check in and get there with senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh. He is live in a hot spot right now in eastern Ukraine. Nick?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Chris, behind me is the outskirts of the seat of all this unrest, Slaviansk. Ukrainian troops have moved in substantial number. They've taken up positions on the bridge behind me. The interior minister says there are nine such things happening around the city encircling it if we can believe what he has to say. But here's the major problem they face. They're taking up positions but find themselves surrounded on both sides by angry locals, fueled perhaps by one old man who got in the way of one of these armored personnel carriers and apparently his legs were injured and the ambulance took him away, but also angry full stop at the people they refer to as occupiers who have turned the up here representing the government they don't like or trust. We're seeing them arrive here in greater and greater number, helicopters overhead, one having dropped off 10 to 15 more troops to fortify this position here. They've also brought in a truck, the protesters, to block this road. The problem is, this will remain tense and hostile. If there is bloodshed, that could potentially spark those Russian troop on the other side of the border to intervene. This really is the flash point, and many concern what started today Ukraine's army finally moving in against the pro-Russian militants, this could be the beginning of a much more disturbing chapter. Back to you, Kate.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Absolutely. Nick, thank you very much for that update from Ukraine for us this morning. Now let's talk about the latest on the L.A. Clippers. They're going to need a seventh game to decide the playoff series against the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors staying alive with a thrilling 100-99 win in game six overnight. Meantime, a committee of NBA owners has agreed to move forward as they put it as expeditiously as possible with the process of forcing Donald Sterling to sell the Clippers. This as ESPN is reporting that Sterling has been battling cancer. CNN has not independently confirmed that report, though. Ted Rowlands is live in Los Angeles with the new developments surrounding this latest bit of how to get Sterling out. Ted?
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. The players last night were told that Donald Sterling may have cancer and they all reacted. A lot of players had empathy for Sterling. Doc Rivers, the coach, said he didn't know how to react as he was told that news. Meanwhile, you mentioned that committee, the 10-member committee of NBA owners voted unanimously yesterday to move forward with the process to oust Sterling as an owner. They will meet again next week. Here in Los Angeles the president of the NAACP has resigned. You remember that the NAACP L.A. chapter was going to award Sterling with a lifetime achievement award. There was such backlash the president decided to step down. Here game seven you mentioned will be played here in Los Angeles on Sunday, and now the Clippers seem to be everybody's favorite team, monitoring how they do on the court and off. Chris?
[Bolduan:] Ted, I'll take it. Thanks so much. Also shocking news coming out of Washington this morning about sexual assault in the military and on college campuses. The Pentagon says sexual assault reports in the armed services has jumped by 50 percent last year as federal investigators are now looking at 55 colleges and universities to see if they broke any law in how they are, have handled, and are handling sexual violence and harassment complaints. Let's talk about all this and let's learn a little bit more about these reports with Jean Casarez. She's joining us with more. Good morning, Jean. Let's talk about the report on colleges and universities. This is coming out from the department of education. It's really, as I understand it, the first comprehensive list of colleges and universities that are under investigation, current probes going on.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] That have been made public. A list has never been made public before. It's 55 universities all around the country, 27 different states. You're looking at Harvard University, Harvard Law School, Arizona State University
[Bolduan:] All of the way down to community colleges.
[Casarez:] All across the country. Now, anyone can make a complaint, so there is not any confirmation of wrongdoing. But the investigation is that they have not been as per title nine looking into sexual violence and sexual harassment claims. So the probe is continuing. Now, since the facts were not out, CNN was able to confirm in February six schools, colleges, and universities around the country, that their sexual assault complaints had tripled since 2009. Columbia University, 23 students filed complaints, and we know a little bit about what those complaints were, that they discouraged the reporting, the university did, that they allowed the perpetrator to remain on campus. The sanctions were not adequate, and there was discrimination against sexual orientation in these complains. And so what's interesting is this coincides with the president's task force on preventing sexual assault against students in came out in 2011. But it is very close in time, and so the question is what's really happening on campuses.
[Bolduan:] Any spotlight that can be put on this issue I think is important. That task force that you're talking about, one number that so stuck out to me, they found nearly 20 percent of female college students have been assaulted, 20 percent. But only 12 percent of cases were reported still today. That just blows me away. But here's my question about this report. It's important that it's out there, that we're talking at it, that they're finally releasing this list to the public to put pressure on universities to do a better job. What's worse is you're going to report a sexual assault than not only are you dealing with that, you're also dealing with the university maybe that wasn't going to handle it correctly. But they say just as quickly that the fact that you're on this list does not mean that you have done anything wrong.
[Casarez:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Where is the teeth? What is going to happen here?
[Casarez:] I think that we'll see what becomes public. You know, when I covered the Jerry Sandusky case at Penn State University I became aware quickly that the money, the donations, were very important to the college. And so you don't report things. You keep things under the table. And so they don't come to light. We don't know if that's what's happening in this country. But you're right, the National Center of Justice says one in five students, female students, are sexually assaulted. But it's not only females. It's males, too.
[Bolduan:] Before we go I got to ask you about this report coming out of the Pentagon. I want to put up the graphic if we have it about how sexual assaults in the military, they've jumped 50 percent last year. What is the Pentagon saying they're going to do about it? I know there's action they've been trying to have happen in Congress that have failed so far and to change how prosecutions are handled and the Pentagon has resisted that.
[Casarez:] Exactly. The Pentagon is saying we want to make our own changes internally. But the time and the clock is ticking away and that's not happening. And as you're saying now, commanders have all the say in this, which makes it very subjective because they have known the people that they will determine go to trial, determine only get a plea bargain and a plea deal. And so you're right, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand has wanted that to be prosecutors and not subjectively a commander's.
[Bolduan:] Jackie Speier in the House, she's championing that issue as well. The Pentagon continues to resist it. The issue continues unfortunately. We're still talking about it.
[Casarez:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Thanks so much, Jean.
[Cuomo:] Interesting, Gillibrand was confronted with female senators who didn't want that bill. That's a big reason it stalled out. That will go on. That's for sure. I want to tell you about disturbing details about a Minnesota teen who police say was plotting a killing spree against his own family. Now, the good news is the alleged massacre was avoided thanks to someone who decided to drop a tip. Police say after they got that tip they were able to move in and this was just weeks before the teen was set to carry out the plot. Here's CNN's George Howell with this story.
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] From the deadly shooting rampage at Columbine High School to the killings on the Virginia Tech campus, to the heart-breaking loss of young lives at Sandy Hook, these events all allegedly served as inspiration for a 17-year-old in Waseca, Minnesota, a student who authorities believe had twisted plans of his own.
[Officer Chris Martenson, Waseca Police Department:] His plan was to kill his family members, start a diversionary fire in rural Waseca to distract first responders and travel to the Waseca junior-senior high school. Once there, he intended to set off numerous bombs during the lunch hour, kill the school resource officer as he responded to help, set fires, and shoot students and staff.
[Howell:] A violent plot aborted by a resident who reported what she believed to be suspicious activity at a storage facility. That led police to the teenager in a locker with bomb making materials, everything from pyrotechnic chemicals to steel ball bearings, gunpowder, and ammunition. Also at his home
[Martenson:] Numerous guns, ammunition, prepared bombs, and paperwork documenting his plans were recovered and removed from the home.
[Howell:] The investigation started March 24th when police began discovering explosive devices at an elementary school playground, a place that seemed to be his testing ground. They believe his final blueprint was to target Waseca junior and senior high school, and he expected SWAT teams to kill him. A plan officials say he originally wanted to carry out on April 20th to commemorate the massacre at Columbine but didn't because it was Easter Sunday and school was not in session.
[Tom Lee, Superintendent, Waseca School District:] We can either believe that this occurred as a result of a lucky break or, as I do, choose to believe that god was looking out for all of us.
[Howell:] A small Minnesota town thankful this day to have apparently avoided becoming one more in a long list of tragic school shootings. George Howell, CNN, Chicago.
[Bolduan:] A lot to be thankful for. George, thank you for that report. New response from officials this morning following the release of Malaysia's report on the disappearance of flight 370. They're responding to what the report reveals about a delay in emergency response after the plane went missing. This as family members are venting their frustration, as you can see, after being told to leave Beijing where authorities have been briefing them since the plane went missing. Will Ripley is in Kuala Lumpur and has all the latest on the new information. Will?
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Kate, for the first time Malaysian officials are answering specific questions about that controversial report, the slow response and also that theory floating out there and possible wreckage far away from western Australia.
[Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysian Minister Of Transport:] We have stressed since the beginning we really have nothing to hide.
[Ripley:] New this morning Malaysian officials are dismissing claims by a private company about possible wreckage in the Bay of Bengal several thousand miles from the search zone.
[Hussein:] Many of these prove to be negative and this is similar to what we have done before.
[Ripley:] Breaking overnight, news of a trilateral meeting on Monday between Australia, China, and Malaysia.
[Angus Houston, Malaysian Acting Transport Minister:] We certainly are committed as three nations, I believe, to find MH370.
[Ripley:] The next step, a daunting deep sea search off western Australia, eight to 12 months, an estimated $60 million, and more assets joining the Bluefin-21, which so far has found no sign of the missing plane. Air traffic control audio of those haunting final words from the cockpit just seconds before the plane's tracking devices were switched off. This new report detailing the hours of confusion that followed 17 minutes before anyone noticed the plane disappeared from radar, another four hours of inaction in the control towers, before search and rescue is activated.
[Director General Datuk Abdul Rahman, Malaysia's Department Of Civil Aviation:] Why 17 minutes? This is what I thought, that's up to the investigation team to study, to investigate.
[Ripley:] Meantime, more heartbreak for the families of flight 370. During this meeting in Beijing, learning Malaysia airlines assistance centers are closing in just a few days, forcing them to go home without any answers about the plane or the 239 people still missing eight weeks later. Two other pieces of new information breaking within the last couple of hours here. Malaysia airlines admitting that the technology they were using to track 370 was similar to the flight tracker that you have on your cellphone. That's why they thought the plane was in Cambodia when, in fact, it was far away from that area. Also, when asked about that 17 minutes before anyone noticed the plane disappeared from radar, we are told there is going to be a serious investigation of protocol to make sure that doesn't happen again, Michaela.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] One would hope that would happen at the very least. Will Ripley, thanks so much for that. Let's give a look at more of your headlines at this hour. In North Korea, new satellite images seem to show the country may be testing the engine for a possible nuclear missile. This according to analysts at John Hopkins University. This comes amid warnings Kim Jong-un's regime could be drawing closer to another nuclear test despite stern international opposition. Toronto Mayor Rob Ford has flown to Chicago after taking leave from his reelection bid to seek help for his admitted problems with alcohol. Ford made the decision following reporters in "The Global Mail" newspaper of a new video allegedly showing Ford smoking crack for a second time. Now, it's unclear what is in the pipe that the mayor is holding or if he smoked from it. Ford's brother says the mayor will spend at least 30 days in treatment. Got to show you some stunning pictures of an unusual phenomenon way up in northern Michigan. Waves of ice washed ashore in a peninsula. Residents say it started kind of slowly over the course of a day. It overtook the neighborhood. One of the local people called it an ice tsunami. Some homes were damaged even you can see there, nothing major. Can you imagine seeing that coming at you?
[Bolduan:] No. I hope we never have to see that.
[Pereira:] And then look at this, too. It just bent poles.
[Cuomo:] Weather wins.
[Pereira:] Mother Nature.
[Bolduan:] Every time.
[Cuomo:] Every time. She really is amazing, gives you a little perspective how lucky you are for just a normal cold, the normal change of seasons. It's what's supposed to happen. Because it can always get worse, that's for sure.
[Bolduan:] Coming up next on NEW DAY, Malaysian officials this morning responding to new questions coming from the initial report that they released on Flight 370. They say they have nothing to hide. So what's missing from the report? We'll discuss.
[Cuomo:] Democrats clearly having trouble explaining those newly released Benghazi e-mails, as one former top White House staffer put it, "Dude, that was two years ago." Is that the right attitude? We're going to have more when we go inside politics, dude.

[Burnett:] Our second story, OUTFRONT, a controversial rape sentence appealed. Montana prosecutors are appealing the 30-day sentence a judge gave a former teacher after he admitted to raping his 14-year-old student. She then took her own life. The state attorney general described the sentence as illegal and the judge now concedes he may have been wrong. But will it mean more time behind bars? This has been a shocking story. OUTFRONT tonight, I want to bring in criminal defense attorney and our legal analyst, Danny Cevallos. Danny, prosecutors now appealing the sentence of this 54-year-old man, Stacey Rambold, how likely is a reversal?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] At this point, Erin, when you read if the sentence given was within the legal prescribed sentence, in other words, if it fell within a range that was legal then the sentence will stand. It is discretionary. The problem here is that the attorney general is alleging that the judge misapplied the law. We should add from the testimony at sentencing and the filing papers that the prosecutor at that hearing clearly was not aware of any mandatory minimum otherwise and absolutely did not object to the sentence when it was applied even though he may have wanted a higher sentence. I believe the prosecutor was not aware that there was a mandatory minimum problem at the original hearing. Only the attorney general later on said it is actually two years.
[Burnett:] I'm curious about it. People hear this story. It's just so shocking. You have a 54-year-old man who rapes a 14-year-old girl. She takes her own life because of the agony of the situation, how it is possible in this country that someone could only get 30 days in jail for that. It's hard for most people to understand, to contemplate. So if he is resentenced, if that is even successful, how much time could he get? Could he get a sentence that most Americans would say that seems right or is that not even on the table?
[Cevallos:] Well, Montana code is teaching America that even in a state with a very liberal sentencing code sentencing is still extremely confusing. So in this case, it probably was an illegal sentence, the 30 days, the minimum should be two years in this instance. It is very easy to miss that reading the code. Once that is decided that two years can go from two years to 100 years and the judge has broad discretion. So if he wanted to apply another mandatory minimum it would be two years. However, with all the public scrutiny, I wouldn't be surprised if this judge as we say in the defense business sends him to the moon so that he can avoid any further criticism.
[Burnett:] All right, well, Danny, thank you very much. Even two years somehow feels so wrong. Our third story OUTFRONT, bullied to death, a Connecticut teenager took his own life last week after his first day of school and now it looks like he had been suffering from years of bullying. According to friends, the 15-year-old Bart Palosz, whose family immigrated to this country from Poland, Bart was teased because he was 6'3" and had an accent. But his internal struggles only came to light after he took his life. Rosa Flores is OUTFRONT.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] The friendship between Bart Palosz and Lisa Johnson's son, Izzy, was a mother's dream.
[Unidentified Female:] They were instant friends. They really clicked.
[Flores:] They hang out and post videos like these on YouTube, two quirky kids, one great friendship.
[Unidentified Female:] That is also why he and Izzy clicked so well.
[Flores:] Palosz moved to the U.S. from Poland, grew up to be a 15-year-old standing 6'3" who Johnson says was targeted by bullies. [on camera]: Why was he bullied?
[Lisa Johnson, Mother Of Bart's Friend, Izzy:] Well, I mean, he is really tall. He had an accent. He was just one of these kids that was slightly awkward.
[Flores:] Palosz committed suicide after the first day of his sophomore year at Greenwich High School in Greenwich, Connecticut. Local police say a preliminary investigation shows he used a family shot gun that was stored in a locked cabinet.
[Johnson:] The worst, worst, worst thing was how are we going to tell Izzy? My husband put his arms around him and I just held his hand and I said, Izzy, I'm so sorry, but Bart just killed himself. It was like this can't be possible.
[Flores:] The Greenwich School District is investigating and tells CNN any indications that a student is experiencing significant mental health distress is addressed by the school level by personnel trained to recognize and respond to these concerns. But his sister paints a different picture. In an interview with the "Connecticut Post" she says it pretty much was say you're sorry and that's it. I honestly do not think the school addressed the bullying. It could have saved him if they did. Family and friends say he never showed signs of trouble. But after his death, investigators revealed to the family posts on Google plus that show otherwise. In July, he made reference to being bullied for ten years and wrote, "I have chosen to go with three people's advice and kill myself. I just wish it was faster."
[Nick Sages, Went To School With Bart:] One of the nicest people I had ever met in my life. I never heard him say anything bad about anybody else. He was just like a really kind hearted person.
[Flores:] Now a group of his classmates want to use social media to provide peer to peer support anonymously.
[Elias Frank, Senior Class V.p:] Some people can't reach out to adults themselves, but they can reach to a fellow student who wants to help out.
[Flores:] It is an effort to make sure every student can find someone to talk to. Pain and guilt in this town, a community left asking, could we have done more? For OUTFRONT, Rosa Flores, Greenwich, Connecticut.
[Burnett:] Still to come, despite announcing she has terminal brain cancer actress Valerie Harper refuses to give up. We will tell you what she plans to do and why millions of Americans will be able to feel uplifted by it. Plus a woman receives $280,000 after her African-American boss refers to her as the n-word. Her employers are appealing that decision. A lawyer representing her boss comes OUTFRONT to explain why. One of the craziest videos we saw today, a man stuck in a wall in China. We will tell you why he chose to go there.

[Banfield:] Rachel Dolezal the woman who resigned of the NAACP leader after she was exposed as a white woman, is now breaking her silence. This morning Dolezal telling NBC's Matt Lauer, "I identify as black."
[Matt Lauer, Nbc Correspondent:] Are you an African-American woman?
[Rachel Dolezal, Former Naacp Leader:] I identify as black.
[Lauer:] You identify as black, let me put a picture of a view in your early 20s though and when you see this picture, is this an African- American woman? Or is that a Caucasian Woman?
[Rachel Dolezal:] That's not I my early 20s, but...
[Lauer:] That's a little younger I guess, yeah.
[Rachel Dolezal:] I was just 16 in that girl.
[Lauer:] Is she a Caucasian woman or an African-American woman?
[Rachel Dolezal:] I would say that visibly, she will be identified as white, by people who see her.
[Lauer:] But at the time, were you identifying yourself as African- American?
[Rachel Dolezal:] In that picture, during that time, no.
[Lauer:] Your parents were asked this question this week and they didn't have any trouble answering it. And here's what they said, "She's clearly our birth daughter and were clearly Caucasian. That's just the fact." Your father went on to say, "She's a very talented woman doing work she believes in, why can't she do that as a Caucasian woman which is what she is." How do you answer that question?
[Rachel Dolezal:] Well, first of all, I really don't see why they're in such a rush to white wash some of the work that I have done and who I am and how I've identified. And it goes back to a very early age with my self identification with the black experience, as a very young child.
[Lauer:] When did it start?
[Rachel Dolezal:] I would say, about five years old.
[Lauer:] You began identifying yourself as African-American?
[Rachel Dolezal:] I was drawing self portraits with the brown crayon instead of the peach crayon and the black, you know, black curly hair and, you know, yeah, that was how I was portraying myself.
[Banfield:] That was Rachel Dolezal this morning and this afternoon is Rachel's parents, Larry and Ruthanne joining me live now out from Troy, Montana, thank you so much Ms. And Mr. Dolezal for being with me. I wanted to just ask if that last point that Rachel made with Matt Lauer that she began again identifying as black as early as five years old, drawing herself with the brown crayon instead of the pink crayon. Do you have any memories of that?
[Ruthanne Dolezal, Mother Of Rachel Anne Dolezal:] No we do not.
[Banfield:] Anything even slightly that might indicate she felt different back when she was say five, six, seven in her very young age.
[Ruthanne Dolezal:] Rachel was like, we were interested in ethnicity and diversity and we had many friends in our circles that were of different ethnicities, but she did not ever refer to herself or draw pictures or anything that indicated she thought of herself as black.
[Banfield:] Had she had many experiences other than friends of yours? I know you've said made travels as a family to African countries. Had she done that in her early years, for instance the years that she was referring to in the interview?
[Lawrence Dolezal, Father Of Rachel Anne Dolezal:] No.
[Ruthanne Dolezal:] No. Rachel was never in Africa with us.
[Banfield:] So, is their any explanation that you can think of having I'm assuming having watched her appearance this morning on the Today Show. Is there any explanation that you can give to her answers that she gave to Matt Lauer?
[Ruthanne Dolezal:] She's still dodging the question about acknowledging who she is in reality.
[Lawrence Dolezal:] How would you respond if I were to suggest that I'm now identifying as an African American man. I am now a black man because I adapted four African-American children. I...
[Banfield:] Well I it's all very perplexing I think to so many of us and I would think that it would be the most perplexing to the people who had been closest to her at one time of life, you. And I just wonder how you felt watching that interview this morning..
[Ruthanne Dolezal:] It was disturbing because the false statements continue. And as mush as we're concerned with Rachel's identity issues, we are also concerned with her integrity issues.
[Banfield:] So she claims that you're trying to and I'll just you know, quote her. "I don't see why they, meaning her parents, you, are in such a rush to white wash some of the work I have done and who I am and how I have identified." Do you see yourselves as having somehow sorted what she's doing and who she feels she is?
[Lawrence Dolezal:] No. We were contacted about a week ago by the Coeur d'Alene Press asking if we could verify Rachel's ethnicity and we responded, "Well, we can tell you that we are her birth parents. And her ethnicity background is European descent Caucasian, primarily Czech and German."
[Banfield:] So can I ask you, did you expect to hear any sort of apologies this morning from Rachel when she was speaking to Matt Lauer, apologies for the lies that she's told because frankly she has lied. It's not just misrepresenting, it's not just correcting the record when those assumed she was either biracial or African-American or black. It was blatant lie.
[Lawrence Dolezal:] That's exactly how we see it, unfortunately.
[Ruthanne Dolezal:] And yes, we hope that she will come to terms with truth and reality and she will make an apology.
[Banfield:] Have you had any issues with your other children, her four younger much younger black siblings because they also have gone public and they have varying views of what's going on. Have you as a family come to terms with being in the spotlight like this and honestly having her as a national punch line it seems.
[Ruthanne Dolezal:] Well our intention has never been to harm Rachel. All we have done was to respond to the press when they initiated questions.
[Lawrence Dolezal:] Yes, and no. I guess we could ask you, how would you respond if you receive similar questions? Would you tell the truth? Would you support the lies? Would you hang up or say no comment?
[Banfield:] Well I can imagine the position that you're in. I think it's uncomfortable for a lot of people and I'm sure it's terribly uncomfortable for you as well. I do appreciate you taking a time to speak with us today.
[Lawrence Dolezal:] Thank you very much.
[Banfield:] Lawrence and Ruthanne Dolezal, the parents of Rachel Dolezal speaking out today live from Troy, Montana. Ms. Dolezal's explanation about her race with the controversy perhaps an even a more complicated state. Were they answers that people expected? Did it confuse people further? We're going to get some answers to that in a moment.

[Lu Stout:] 90 minutes from now, the U.S. President Barack Obama will deliver a message to the world: stand together to defeat ISIS. Now his address to the UN General Assembly comes as the U.S. and its Arab allies continue to target militants inside Syria. A U.S. military official confirms one new strike near the Syrian Iraqi border and four more in Iraq. On Tuesday, the coalition hit the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa and these other cities, but the U.S. military also acted alone and took aim at the Khorasan group west of Aleppo. Now U.S. officials say it was planning an attack, possibly involving a bomb on an airplane. Nic Robertson has more.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn International Correspondent:] These are the first images of the aftermath of the U.S. and Arab ally's attack on the Khorasan group, an al Qaeda affiliate training jihadists to attack in Europe and the U.S. Until last week, Khorasan was barely known.
[James Clapper, U.s. Director Of National Intelligence:] This Khorasan group, so-called, which I guess is out there is potentially yet another threat to the homeland.
[Robertson:] The Khorasan training camps and bomb making facilities around Aleppo in the north of Syria are believed to host foreign fighters recruited to return home to fight rather than join the jihadists in Syria and Iraq. These strikes, intended to take out Khorasan's leadership. How successful not yet clear.
[Rear Admiral John Kirby, Pentagon Spokesman:] One of the things we were trying to do to disrupt their ability was to go after their leadership.
[Robertson:] One of those figures, 33-year-old Mushin al-Fadhil, a senior al-Qaeda figure, has a $7 million U.S. Department of Treasury bounty on his head. He is believed to be recruiting European and American jihadists to learn bomb making and fighting skills from a few as 100 veteran al Qaeda jihadists.
[Peter Neumann, King's College London:] It's really not about the numbers, it's about the expertise they bring to the table, because these guys draw on the entire international network of al Qaeda. If they can now draw on the foreign fighters that are present in Syria, that would indeed be an explosive combination.
[Robertson:] al-Fadhil is believed by U.S. officials to have organized the finances for an al Qaeda attack on a French oil tanker in October 2002. The MV Lindbergh was attacked in the waters off Yemen, killing one crew member and injuring four. In recent years, al-Fadhil was believed to be hiding in Iran, but now is believed to have emerged and seems set to reassert al Qaeda's relevance and take on ISIS's growing global jihadi dominance.
[Neumann:] Khorasan and al Qaeda, which are not part of ISIS, for them attacks on the west are a priority. They do have the expertise. And though they are much smaller than ISIS, they have to be dealt with because in the short-term at least they are the greatest threat to the U.S. homeland.
[Robertson:] It is this that makes them such a threat to the west. Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
[Lu Stout:] Now the airstrikes in Syria also appear to have taken a toll on another terror group, the al Nusra Front. It is linked to al Qaeda. It's believed to have up to 6,000 members. They operate mainly in Syria where the group is trying to establish an Islamic state. Now it formed during the ongoing Syrian civil war. It's emerged as one of the most effective resistance groups against the government, but the U.S. State Department says the al Nusra Front is trying to hijack the conflict for its own purposes and has killed many Syrian civilians. Now the U.S. has not said that it targeted the al Nusra Front, but the group says one of its key leaders, Abu Yousuf al-Turki was killed in Tuesday's strikes. It posted a photo of him on Twitter. Now CNN cannot independently verify the group's claims. But if true, it could be a blow to the battle against ISIS. Al Nusra had been associated with ISIS until April of 2013, but has been vigorously fighting against it since then and with no boots on the ground, the U.S. has limited options to hit ISIS after airstrikes. Now the wife of a British aid worker held hostage by ISIS says she's received audio of her husband pleading for his life. And once again, Barbara Henning is appealing to the militant group to free him. Now Alan Henning was part of a team of volunteers who went to Syria in December to deliver aid. In the message released by the British government, Barbara Henning questioned why ISIS militants won't let her husband go after an Islamic court declared he wasn't a spy or a threat. Now the Pentagon says freeing the hostages remains an important goal.
[Kirby:] Well, we've remained concerned about the fate of the hostages that we know that they have. It's not something we've ever taken lightly, certainly something that we've never stopped thinking about. As you know, we did attempt one rescue not long ago over the Fourth of July weekend. So it's something we're watching very, very closely, as closely as we can.
[Lu Stout:] To Jordan now where the radical preacher Abu Qatada has been freed from jail after being acquitted of terror charges. Now the cleric was deported from the United Kingdom last year to face trial after years of appeals. In July, he was cleared of conspiring to bomb a U.S. school in Jordan. A short time ago, he was acquitted of plotting to bomb millennium celebrations in Jordan. Now the court ordered Abu Qatada's immediate release if no other charges were laid against him. Abu Qatada was a fiery preacher, cited as an inspiration to the 911 conspirators. He fought extradition from the United Kingdom to Jordan for more than a decade. And CNN's Max Foster is in Abu Dhabi. He joins me now live with the latest. And, Max, tell us more about what led to the decision to clear Abu Qatada of terror charges.
[Max Foster, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, it's simply that there was insufficient evidence, that's what the court is saying, insufficient evidence that he carried out or was involved in any sorts of plots you've just been referring to them around the millennium. There just wasn't that evidence there. There are various conspiracy theories emerging from here as well, though, some leading analysts in the area suggesting that actually Jordan needs Abu Qatada, because he opposes ISIS. He's an influential figure, but at the same time of course he supports al Qaeda. And he isn't supporting these U.S. strikes on Syria. So quite how useful he is in the battle against ISIS, which certainly Jordan is supporting, isn't clear. But analysts are suggesting that he is a powerful figure and someone that is useful to Jordan in that context. But as far as the court is concerned, it's simply because there wasn't enough evidence against him.
[Lu Stout:] Abu Qatada, he was deported from the UK in 2013 after a long legal effort to extradite him. Now that he's been released, where will he go? And can he return to the UK?
[Foster:] Well, there certainly, he was a very controversial figure in the UK. And it became a political issue. And the home secretary got involved and she was really pushing for him to be deported. There was this whole legal argument around that, because there was concern that evidence used in torture would be used in the Jordanian which stopped under human rights law, Qatada being deported, finally they resolved that by coming up with a treaty between the UK and Jordan saying any evidence used against people deported from the UK cannot be linked to any sort of torture. So that was resolved, but it was a very big political issue. And the home secretary today issued this statement, "Abu Qatada remains a subject to a deportation order and the United Nations travel ban. He is not coming back to the UK." So we can be sure that he won't be going back to the UK on any level on legal terms, political terms, it would not be acceptable to have him back there.
[Lu Stout:] All right, CNN's Max Foster joining us live from Abu Dhabi with the latest. Thank you, Max. You're watching News Stream. Still to come, a gruesome job handling the burial of Ebola victims is a dangerous but necessary task in Liberia.

[Paul:] It is just about well, it's 29 minutes past the hour right now, just in case you have to run off somewhere, hopefully you're just getting a little R&R.; I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] Just stay with us. I'm Victor Blackwell. We've got a lot more this morning on the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.
[Paul:] Yes. Actually, a lot of news coming from the Australian prime minister this morning, who seems to be very confident, saying that four signals detected by a U.S. pinger locator are coming, he says, are coming from one of the plane's black boxes. He's that confident.
[Blackwell:] Yeah, right now at least ten planes, 14 ships are scouring the smallest search zone to date. Crews are focused on an area in the Indian Ocean about the size of Massachusetts and Connecticut combined. And you may recall that at one point the search zone was about the size of the continental
[U.s. Paul:] But time is ticking away here, obviously, for search crews. I mean the batteries on the plane's black boxes are quickly fading, if they're not dead already. And officials warn recovering the black boxes is a massive task. Even though those signals were detected within 17 miles of one another, they're coming from about three miles below the surface.
[Blackwell:] So let's talk now with someone who knows these pingers likely better than anyone else.
[Paul:] Yeah, Chris Portale is the director of a Dukane, a Heico company which makes that underwater locator pinger that everybody is searching for. He also got to hear and confirm the first set of pings detected by Australian search teams. So Chris, I know earlier this week you told CNN you were extremely confident the sounds were from the flight's black box. Now search teams have reported hearing four pings. Is there any doubt in your mind that sound is coming, in fact, from Flight 370?
[Chris Portale, Dukane Director:] No, there's no doubt. The acoustic signature of the beacons and the cadence that they're coming from is definitely from one of our beacons. So we're very confident that it's from there. It's got a very specific sound. You've got a pulse and a ping once every second. And that's not readily found in nature. That's why they're designed to be unique and stand out.
[Blackwell:] So it's day 36 of this search. These batteries on the pingers are required to last 30 days. Do you think that the batteries on the pingers have maxed out now? Or could there possibly be another 24 to 48 hours of battery life left?
[Portale:] In our testing, we've been able to get anywhere from 35 to 40 days. We were told that the pingers were due to have their batteries replaced next year, which would indicate that they're five years old and nearing the end of their life. So we're confident that there may be a couple of more days left, but as the battery starts to degrade, the signal is going to get weaker, so it's going to be even more difficult to hear it until it eventually can't produce enough power to send a signal out. So there could be a few more days left.
[Paul:] There's been a lot of talk, Chris, that pingers should have a longer life. How hard is it to create technology to make that happen?
[Portale:] Well, we've actually created one that has a 90-day life. Out of the Air France disaster, there was a new TSO requirement that new pingers starting next year will have to have the 90-day life. We've created that, and we have it out there. But once it becomes required, the airlines are going to have to put it on there. So there is out there a 90-day beacon.
[Blackwell:] So Chris, help us understand something. A week ago when the Chinese reported hearing a ping, they said it was at 37.5 kilohertz, which is the frequency at which the pings emit the signal. But the Australian Defense Force, the ADF, says that the pings that have been detected near the Ocean Shield were not exactly at 37.5 but within the range. Explain that discrepancy, how it can still be so certain that these are pings from black boxes, from the locator but not at 37.5.
[Portale:] Well, you've got a bunch of reasons. Mostly the pressure, the temperature, and the salinity of the ocean. The audio sounds are moved around under water and it plays some tricks on it. So, it's more important less the frequency, it's more the cadence. It's more the unique manmade sound of it. And it wouldn't be unusual to detect it at the lower frequency, which is the 33.
[Paul:] Hey, Chris, let's listen to Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott here who continues to affirm that those pings coming from the locator beacon are starting to fade.
[Tony Abbott, Australian Prime Minister:] We're now getting to the stage where the signal from what we are very confident is the black box is starting to fade. And we are hoping to get as much information as we can before the signal finally expires.
[Paul:] So if we're at day 36, gosh, I mean, Chris, you make these things. How long do you think we have?
[Portale:] I think we've got maybe a day, possibly two more. Knowing how old the batteries were. We've seen them last up to 40 days. They're certified for 30 days. So, anything after that is, you know, is bonus time, really.
[Blackwell:] So, with full battery, the search teams ideally become within, you know, a mile or two nautical miles maybe to locate this signal. With the batteries dying, how much closer do they need to be? Does the signal get weaker or does the frequency become or the frequency of the signal become less frequent, I guess. How close do they need to be?
[Portale:] Well, the batteries the pingers have a two nautical mile range when they're actively pinging. As the battery starts to degrade, the frequency will actually get lower and lower and lower and the range will go down. The frequency goes lower because there's a ceramic ring in there that creates the acoustic sound. And as it has less and less power, it the output goes down. So you'll hear both of those items. And the range could go down until it's inaudible. You know, a mile or less than a half a mile.
[Paul:] All right. Dukane director, Chris Portale. Chris, thank you so much for being with us.
[Portale:] No problem. Thank you.
[Paul:] We appreciate it this morning. So Australia's prime minister, as you heard, we've been saying how he's really asserting his true confidence that this plane has been located because of these pings. But the Malaysian government, they are pretty hesitant.

[Baldwin:] White House ceremonies, they are typically full of pomp and circumstance, except for today. President Obama, flanked by first daughters Sasha and Malia, pardoned two turkeys from Badger, Minnesota. And he named one of them America's National Thanksgiving Turkey. Watch.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The office of the presidency, the most powerful position in the world, brings with it many awesome and solemn responsibilities. This is not one of them. Eighty turkeys on John's farm competed for the chance to make it to the White House and stay off the Thanksgiving table. It was quite literally "The Hunger Games." And then after weeks of vocal practice and prepping for the cameras, the two Tributes, Caramel and Popcorn, went head-to-head together for America's vote as top gobbler. The competition was stiff, but we can officially declare that Popcorn is the winner, proving there you go proving that even a turkey with a funny name can find a place in politics.
[Baldwin:] Holiday turkeys, such as Popcorn, have been presented to presidents going all the way back to Abraham Lincoln, but it was President Kennedy who was the first to spare one. None received an official pardon until President George H.W. Bush uttered the word in 1989, trivia for you on your Thanksgiving eve. Now to this, this is what I'm excited about. Beyond the turkey, eating it, I mean, have you heard about Comet ISON? It has been coming our way for a million years now. It is here. This is time-lapse video from NASA, and tomorrow, while you're eating said turkey or whatever you so choose, it will fly perilously closely around the sun. If it survives, it could be an awesome, awesome sight for us, Chad Myers
[Myers:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] if it survives this close encounter with the sun.
[Myers:] I know. And it had a coronal mass ejection whack it the other day, too.
[Baldwin:] Darn that coronal mass ejection.
[Myers:] I know. And blasted some dusts off of this thing. It's about the size of a shopping center, and it's made of ice and junk and then it's flying around the sun. And it's going to get bright. And it could be very close. It could be the coolest thing around Christmas if it survives, but it's ice going to the sun. You know, that's
[Baldwin:] Not a good mix.
[Myers:] probably not the best thing you can do. You want to go around maybe Saturn. It's colder out there. So it's going to go as it goes by tomorrow morning, wake up before sunrise, look to the east, you may be able to see it, as flares coming out of it kind of looks like that. There's Comet ISON over there. That's what it looks like for space telescopes. It has to fly around the sun. If it makes its way around the sun and survives and comes out the other side, all of a sudden in December, it's going to be really, really amazing. As it comes out, we'll be able to see it at sunset, may be able to see it at sunrise, and it's going to be maybe the comet of the century. But some others are saying, I don't think it's going to make it. It could be two or three breakups and it could be a dud.
[Baldwin:] So, tomorrow before sunrise, a little something, but you know, fingers crossed, we could be seeing something pretty spectacular around Christmas.
[Myers:] Right, tomorrow and the next couple days could be great, but after that, could just be stunning.
[Baldwin:] Got it. Got it.
[Myers:] We'll see.
[Baldwin:] Chad, thank you very much. And now this, a nurse is remembered as a hero today for her actions inside a Texas hospital. Workers there say she gave up her own life to save patients when a man attacked with a knife. Today, we are learning more about the victim and her heroic actions, next.

[Lemon:] Updating a story that we have been following for you. A former high school teacher is free after serving just one month in jail for raping a 14-year-old girl who later committed suicide, Stacey Dean Rambold was released on probation Thursday from a Montana jail. People are furious about the lenient sentence and the judge's comments that the victim was older than her chronological age and as much in control of the situation as was the defendant. A prosecutors in Billings, Montana, are appealing the sentence to the state Supreme Court. We'll continue to update you on that story. It's a rivalry as old as baseball itself but this week the century- long tension between the Dodgers and the Giants turned violent leading a 24-year-old fan dead. CNN's Dan Simon has more on the attack and how the rivalry between the two teams has routinely spilled off the field.
[Dan Simon, Cnn Correspondent:] Fan rivalries can be intense, leading to all-out brawls like this one at a San Francisco 49ersOakland Raiders game. And men aren't the only ones fighting. This happened at an L.A. ClippersUtah Jazz basketball game. The latest violence centers around the storied baseball rivalry between the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Francisco Giants. And this time, it turned deadly.
[Dennis Clark, Witness:] I just saw the swinging and the yelling. And just like arms flying everywhere. The police started showing up. And I looked and I saw a person laying on the ground.
[Simon:] Police say it happened a few hours after Wednesday night's game a few blocks from the ballpark. A 24-year-old, Jonathan Denver, was stabbed and killed wearing Dodgers clothes. This picture taken at the game with his father, a Dodgers security guard.
[Chief Greg Suhr, San Francisco Police Department:] The fact that anybody got in any sort of a beef over the Giants and Dodgers and somebody lost their life, it's just senseless.
[Simon:] A 21-year-old suspect was arrested and charged with homicide. Investigators say he was part of a group that wasn't even at the game. It's not clear yet how the fight started. Two years ago, the rivalry led to the beating of a 42-year-old paramedic and father. Giants fan Bryan Stowe was critically injured when he was attacked by two Dodgers fans. He suffered brain damage and will never fully recover. Experts say fights like this are usually fueled by alcohol.
[Dr. Ramani Durvasula, Clinical Psychologist:] When you combine passion for your sports team, too much to drink and too many people, you've got a recipe for disaster.
[Simon:] San Francisco's police chief has a message for fans everywhere.
[Suhr:] Just be respectful of each other when you go to these games. And remember, it's a game.
[Simon:] Dan Simon, CNN, San Francisco.
[Lemon:] We are not finished with this story yet. Just ahead, we'll going to look at the legalities of this case and what drives this type of behavior. Two experts join us, next.

[Bolduan:] The U.S. is considering sending weapons to help the Ukrainian army in its fight against pro-Russian rebels. Secretary of State John Kerry is headed to Ukraine this week to meet again with President Poroshenko. The subject of arms is sure to come up.
[Ben Rhodes, White House Deputy National Security Advisor:] We don't think the answer to the crisis in Ukraine is simply to inject more weapons and get into that type of tit for tat with Russia. We think the answer is to squeeze Russia, apply pressure on Russia, try to get them to the table with those separatists so we can see a peaceful de-escalation.
[Bolduan:] With that in mind, we have a remarkable exclusive look this morning for you inside that situation spiraling out of control. It's coming as fighting in eastern Ukraine intensifies, rebels trying to take more ground, and the United States now considering sending lethal aid to Ukraine to try to help.
[Berman:] This is a look at why some in Washington say that help is now urgently needed, the before-and-after look at the destruction at Donetsk once really proud new international airport. Just months ago, it was fully functioning. Look at that, look at the difference. Now what we're about to show you is just utter devastation left in its place. Nick Paton Walsh had an exclusive look, a tour of this airport if, it can even be called that anymore. We warn you, this report does contain some graphic images.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Nowhere has the fighting been fiercer in the worst war to hit Europe since the Balkans than here, the Donetsk International Airport.
[Paton Walsh:] Ukraine's Army is still shelling here. Despite being pushed out of this former stronghold two weeks ago by these Russian-backed separatists, themselves heavily armed, this is their form of airport shuttle. [on camera]: We're moving now in an armored car towards the new terminal of the airport, territory which the separatists have taken but is still regularly under fire from the Ukrainian military. [voice-over]: We pull into the airport long-term underground parking. [on camera]: Occasionally shells are still landing here. [voice-over]: The fight here killed hundreds as Ukrainians used service tunnels. The men claimed these bodies were left in the Ukrainian retreat. The last call for passengers on this walkway passed months ago. These pictures from three years ago showing how it used to sparkle. [on camera]: Hard to imagine how just six months ago we were here flying out of Donetsk, it was then a state-of-the-art international terminal. Just look at the destruction and how this symbolizes how far eastern Ukraine has fallen. Mortars often fall here. So we move fast. They used to call this the new terminal, opened two years ago for football fans coming to see the European championship. But that new-found European optimism has evaporated. The war here is entering a new phase, with the heaviest of weapons and the random shelling of civilians, in which victory has become more important than its spoils. These men blame Barack Obama for this devastation. Russia blames NATO for fomenting this war. NATO says, nonsense, and that many of these fighters are actually Russian regular army. Blame, hatred and charred remains everywhere. But Ukraine's bright hopes of modern prosperity, the gate is closed. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Donetsk.
[Berman:] The gate is closed. There's nothing left. Those are amazing pictures to see.
[Bolduan:] To see just a bit of evidence that there even was an airport that existed there at one point. Otherwise, it's in absolute ruins.
[Berman:] You wonder what happened to the people, all the people living in that region.
[Bolduan:] Just a symbol of that whole region. Thanks for joining us today.
[Berman:] "Legal View" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.

[Cuomo:] We have new information for you this morning, word of a motive in the Flight 9525 crash. The German tabloid "Bild" quotes an investigator saying co-pilot Andreas Lubitz feared his medical issues would have grounded him. Prosecutors also revealing Lubitz suffered from, quote, "suicidal tendencies" before his aviation career but never told anybody. So the question is, this policy of self-reporting, is it getting it done? Let's bring in CNN aviation analyst and former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation, Mary Schiavo; also CNN safety analyst and former FAA inspector, David Soucie. Thank you for being here. David, I start with you. I am not as moved help me with this about the fearing that he would be grounded by the vision, the medical issue of the vision, because we're told that he didn't have a vision issue. So do you see this as the substance in and of itself? Or is this proof of him being motivated by some kind of madness?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] I think it's obviously a madness. It's starting to that we can't detect. See, this is where the problem is. He's trying to reach out and do something, becomes a murderer to be famous. And this is a stretch. This whole idea of the sight in the first place is just another indicator, a symptom, of where he was headed with this.
[Cuomo:] And that's the right word. We're looking for symptoms here, because we understand why he did it but more importantly, Mary, it's about making sure it can't happen again. This self-reporting thing, it seems beyond the pale.
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] That you just can't have self-reporting in a situation like this, because every motivation is to lie and conceal, isn't it?
[Schiavo:] Absolutely. And it's been going on for years. And it goes on in the United States. And, you know, everyone wants to keep their job. And it's fudging on things, everything from taking an over-the- counter medicine, to having been on drugs for psychiatric conditions. And then simply not telling the examiner. Remember, even in the U.S., it's self-reporting. There's a question, 47 on the medical exam, where pilots have to answer the question of have they been treated or seen any physician for any psychiatric or psychological condition. And then if they report yes, what happens, even in the United States, is the examiner, the medical examiner just asks them about it. There's still no independent testing. And the drug testing at the airlines is only for illegal substances, like cocaine and marijuana.
[Cuomo:] So how do you explain this? Is this just a culture of ignorance? Is this having to wake up to the realities of mental health and other medical problems? What is it?
[Schiavo:] Well, I think that's right. And wake up to the realities that people are going to do what's necessary to keep their job. And the realities are the same way we address the realities with drug and alcohol. We're going to have we're going to require the airlines to have an entrance psychological exam and then periodic exams, just as we do the medical exam. Given the statistics of the persons who are on some sort of psychological or psychiatric drug, it's reasonable. And then we would add, I would suggest we add, when you do the random drug screens and the initial employment drug screens, you do a full drug array, so you can see if they're on any kinds of medications that they have not reported. Because lying on the form, don't forget, is a felony; it's already a crime. But no one enforces it.
[Cuomo:] Nobody enforces it; nobody is looking. You check yes, they do a little bit. You check no, the question is, David, do they do anything? What if I check all nos on my sheet? Do they do any digging into my background the way, like, a health insurance company would before they, you know, decide to insure me? Or do is there nothing done?
[Soucie:] Why would you dig anymore? Once they said no, the transfer of liability has happened. The airline has done their job. They satisfied all the regulations. They've asked the questions; they've put it in there. The medical examiner has done what he or she is supposed to do. So that's the end of it. And that's where we can't stop. In fact, I agree with Mary, except we need to go even deeper than that. When you want to be a pilot and you want to take the lives of that many people and remember, this isn't just one flight. When you take a flight as a pilot, you're carrying not just those 150 people, but maybe two or three times during the day you were doing that same thing. So this is a very risky situation.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Soucie:] It's a public hazard. There's no reason we should be digging into the records and make those records exposed. You can't hide behind HIPAA in this situation.
[Cuomo:] Well, they are hiding behind HIPAA. And it's not about stigmatizing mental health. People can be mentally ill, and they're fine. They treat it, and they move along. They're very productive. But you have to check. And Mary, I saw your eyebrows go up when he says David says once they check the nos, there's been a transfer of liability. No there hasn't.
[Schiavo:] Right. Right.
[Cuomo:] This airline has to have a higher level of culpability and responsibility here. And it could happen right here in the United States, too. That's why we bring up the issue, Mary. What's the next step, do you think?
[Schiavo:] Well, I think the next step is for some country, and it should be ours, going back and saying, "Look, the system doesn't work, the self-reporting." And I can tell you, all you have to do is go to the NTSB safety databases and look up crashes and the tox reports on the pilots, to get a feel of how many cases the tox reports reveal that many people are taking substances they aren't reporting to the FAA. And we start in the United States with the FAA, who says right on this medical form that they do not want the medical examiners to be conducting psychological exams, and they don't want the information to be sent to federal agencies. But in fact, they're going to have to do that. And it's one more step that a pilot is going to have to go through. But I think it's very much justified. And then, the liability, by the way, I do have to disagree, because I'm a lawyer. The liability stays with the airline, because the airline's responsible for its employees. So whether or not the employee lies on the form, the airline is still responsible for its pilots. So this should help the airline weed out any problems in the future. They have to do periodic psychological exams.
[Cuomo:] David, I'll let you button it up, because both Mary and I are accusing you of the liability statement, so clean it up for me.
[Soucie:] Right. Well, what I'm talking about the liability is they've done what is required by the regulation.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Soucie:] I'm not saying that they've shifted any kind of liability at all. I just mean they've done what's required by the FAR, implying that the FAR is what needs to change, the regulation.
[Cuomo:] Right. And what Mary and I would say we've got our lawyer hats on. We're saying there's a duty involved here. And just reading that the guy checked no on every box when he has every motive to lie, right, because that would be the psychosis at play, that's the problem. I'll tell you that bothers us the most here right now. This happened in Germany. It is regrettable. But is the fact that it didn't happen in the United States playing into the lack of action and discussion we're hearing among the administrative agencies who are in charge of this in the United States? Nobody has come out and said anything yet about any changes in light of this. Why not? Mary Schiavo, David Soucie, thank you very much Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Thanks, Chris. Well, the state of Indiana under fire this morning for its controversial new religious freedom law, lawmakers scrambling today to clarify the measure. So what will that look like?
[Pereira:] Prosecution rests in the Boston Marathon bombing trial. Now the defense will get its turn. But did the final prosecution witness already seal Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's fate?

[Whitfield:] All right, bottom of the hour now. Welcome back. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. And here are some of the top stories crossing the CNN news desk right now. Three men escaped from a Canadian detention center by helicopter. Police say the chopper touched down in the courtyard of the facility last night in Quebec city and then took off with the inmates. A massive manhunt is now under way. Investigator say two men had been arrested in a drug bust. It's not clear what the third man was in for. To Paris now. Rafael Nadal lost the first set at today's French open men's final but he rebounded taking the next three sets to defeat Yakovich and it was Nadal's fifth straight French open victory, ninth overall. And he now owns 14 major titles. Roger Federer has the most major wins among men's players, 17. And today marks three months to the day since Malaysia airlines flight 370 vanished after weeks of grueling searches in the Indian Ocean. There's no sign of the Boeing 777 jetliner. Families of the more than 200 souls on board are trying to raise $5 million to fund an investigation established a whistleblower reward. An influx of undocumented children since memorial day weekend has caught the eye of the Arizona governor, not because they are in the U.S. illegally but because of where the U.S. has been sending them. Here is CNN's Rosa Flores.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] What behind these walls in Nogales, Arizona has many angry and here is why. On the other side of the chain-linked fences are children, hundreds of them, seemingly laying on the floor covered in thermal blankets. This is where immigration officials are moving more than 1,000 undocumented children to this makeshift detention center this weekend, just inside the ArizonaMexico border. Arizona's governor is highly critical of the move releasing a statement on Friday saying in part, quote, "I am disturbed and outraged that President Obama's administration continues to implement this dangerous and inhumane policy. Not only does the federal government have no plan to stop this disgraceful policy, it also has no plans to deal with the endless waves of illegal aliens once they are released here. If the Obama administration put half the effort into securing our border as it has invested to institute this operation, our state and nation would not be facing this situation." This latest operation by federal immigration officials comes on the heels of an influx of women and children over the Memorial day weekend, caught illegally trying to cross into Texas. Hundreds were flown to Tucson then bussed to Phoenix and left at a bus station to find their way.
[Cyndi Whitmore, Phoenix Restoration Project:] Beginning on Tuesday, we started seeing families dropped off, including, you know, children most under the age of five, some as young as three to six months old.
[Leah Sarat, Phoenix Restoration Project:] They are now being released on their own recognizance which means giving authorization to travel and be unite with family members
[Flores:] But it's this weekend's transport of undocumented children, Tuno Gales, that has called the entire operation into question. A spokesman for homeland security tells CNN the number of undocumented children crossing the U.S.-Mexico border by themselves had increased substantially calling a crisis situation. Official say at least 60,000 children will try to cross into the United States this year alone. Now, it's important to know that immigration attorneys will tell you that the fact that these children are coming to the United States without their parents has nothing to do with U.S. immigration policy. In the other hand, they do say that it has everything to do with violence in Central America. Now, here's some important numbers to share with you and this is from the women's refugee commission because they have been studying these influx of children that are coming to the U.S. without their parents. Two years ago that number was at 13,000. Last year it was at 24,000 and this year it's expected to be 60,000 Fred.
[Whitfield:] Rosa, thanks. You know, at what ages? Do we know the ages of these kids? As young as what?
[Flores:] You know, as young as very little because what they are also finding out is that a lot of women are coming with those children as well. Now, Here's one of the really frightening stories, is that they these immigration attorneys keep on hearing the same stories from these children. Some of them are very young. And what they describe is this violence in Central America. They will describe their mother, grandmother, sister being raped and then beaten. And so, they start walking, they start moving towards the United States. And here's another tidbit. So these immigration attorneys, because they've been hearing this over and over again, once they come to the United States, these detention centers have been coined the word
[Whitfield:] That's startling. All right, thank you so much, Rosa Flores.
[Flores:] You're welcome.
[Whitfield:] Shelly Sterling, yes, we are now saying the name again, might still have a role with the Clippers if the $2 billion sale of the team does actually go through. What would she be doing?

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] With a cease-fire now in place, Israel says it will send a delegation to those peace talks in Cairo but only if Hamas honors the truce. Reza Sayah is in Cairo to tell us more. You said there was a feeling of optimism. It sounds promising.
[Reza Sayah, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, cautious optimism. It's 5:30 p.m. here in Cairo. We're still waiting for the Israeli delegation to arrive here in Cairo. They have yet to get here. But it's no cause for alarm according to the parties involved because Israel has made it clear that they have signed on to the cease-fire and they will come once they are convinced that this cease-fire is going to hold. Once that happens, ideally, they come here, they start negotiating with the Palestinians. Like all negotiations, it's going to take both sides compromising and maybe most importantly it's going to take both sides easing some of the anger and the sheer animosity and that's naturally tough to do when you've had such a difficult four weeks when so many people have lost so much. The Palestinian delegation is already here. This is the delegation that arrived over the weekend and crafted the cease-fire proposal with the Egyptian government. The Egyptian government in turn conveyed it to the Israelis last night. Eventually the Israelis said yes. Again, we're waiting for the Israelis to get here cautious optimism because we've seen this scenario before. We've also seen it falling apart, but this time you get the sense that both sides are serious, that there is a chance to, one, end the blood shed, and two, perhaps start talking about a lasting truce that has been very elusive on both sides. Whenever these two sides have sat down, they have laid out their conditions but neither side has met those conditions. Israel obviously wants Hamas to disarm. They want to demilitarize Gaza. The Palestinians have said that's a non-starter. The Palestinians and Hamas, they want Israel to lift the blockade, to open some of the crossed borders, exits and entries and they say they just want a semblance of a dignified life and so far they haven't had that. All of that is going to be on the table Carol once the Israeli delegations get here and that's why all eyes are on Cairo in the coming hours and days to see how this all unfolds.
[Costello:] And Reza, Hamas will be at the table?
[Sayah:] Hamas will be at the table. They sent a couple of representatives over the weekend at least two other members from Gaza are making their way here to Cairo, according to Palestinian television. I think everyone agrees, without Hamas here in Cairo being part of the negotiations, these talks wouldn't go forward because, of course, this is one side of the warring factions. They are not necessarily going to be sitting across from the table from the Israelis, but they will be here in Egypt.
[Costello:] All right. Reza Sayah reporting live from Cairo Egypt this morning. In spite of the talks that may or may not take place in Egypt, not many people believe there will actually be peace in the Middle East? Why? Intense hatred. Listen to what the Hamas spokesman Osama Hamdan said. Actually I'll read it for you. Quote, "We all remember how the Jews used to slaughter Christians in order to mix their blood in their holy matzoh. This is not a figment of the imagination or something taken from a film. It is a fact acknowledged by their own books and historical evidence", end quote. Wolf Blitzer pressured Hamdan to take back what he said. It did not go well.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] I'm going to remind you what you said. I'm going to play it in Arabic. Here's what you said
[Osama Hamdan, Spokesman For Hamas:] I know what I've said. Wolf
[Blitzer:] I want to play this for you just listen to this and then you'll explain what you mean.
[Hamdan:] I know
[Blitzer:] Let's play the tape. Do you believe that Jews used to slaughter Christians to mix their blood to
[Hamdan:] You cut the words. Not you. The Israelis. In mEmory, they cut the facts and they start this propaganda to say that they are innocent. They want to cover the genocide which is happening in Gaza now. We don't have a problem with the Jews as they are Jewish people. In fact, we believe in Moses, we believe in Jesus, we believe in Mohammed. We respect them all the three of them the same and we believe that everyone has the right to choose his religion. We are all from Adam, but the people who are talking about genocide against the Palestinians must be questioned and asked because they are saying that and doing that at the same time.
[Blitzer:] I was hoping to get a flat denial from you that you would utter such ridiculous words that Jews would kill Christians in order to cues their blood to bake matzoh?
[Hamdan:] Wolf, Wolf, you have to be fair.
[Costello:] Peter Beinart is a CNN political commentator and a columnist for Haaretz; Larry Sabato is the director at the University of Virginia Center for Politics. Welcome to you both.
[Larry Sabato, Director, He University Of Virginia Center For Politics:] Thanks, Carol.
[Costello:] Thanks for being here. Peter I'll start with you. Perhaps Hamas has to learn better PR but that was a hateful thing to say. So you have to wonder, is there any point to Hamas being anywhere near the table in Cairo, Egypt?
[Peter Beinart, Cnn Political Commentator:] Look, I think tragically some of the ancient currents of anti Semitism that mostly have their roots in Europe have infected the Middle East and in this case, Hamas. This terrible, terrible libel about Jews using blood for matzoh during the Holiday Passover is absurd and hateful stuff has unfortunately infected some of the Palestinian discourse. But Hamas is a political reality. The question about it for Israel I think is how do you politically weaken Hamas? You can destroy Hamas military arsenal. But Hamas is also a political challenge. And so I think the strategy for Israel has to be how do you strengthen those Palestinians who believe in nonviolence, who have accepted Israel's right to exist? When you continue to subsidize settlement growth, you weaken them and you make people like Hamaz militants who have not accepted Israel's right to exist, who launch these terrible rockets, you make their position stronger. So I think the way to weaken Hamas is to have a political strategy to strengthen Hamas's moderate adversaries.
[Costello:] And what might that political strategy be.
[Beinart:] It would be to show that Israel is open to a Palestinian state near the 1967 lines? That it's not going to continue to massively subsidize settlement growth as this government has done. I think that would strengthen Mahmoud Abbas who is the main rival to Hamas.
[Costello:] So Larry, the former President Jimmy Carter he has a different take. He wrote an op-ed for "Foreign Policy Magazine" and he writes in part quote, "Ending this war in Gaza begins with recognizing Hamas as a legitimate political actor", as Peter said. "There must also be an opportunity for the teachers, police, and welfare and health workers on the Hamas payroll to be paid." Now the question is the United States certainly considers Hamas to be a terrorist organization. So is that the way to go?
[Sabato:] Well, of course, Jimmy Carter had the great Camp David agreements and deserves full historical credit for that. That's one of the few bright spots in Middle East history since World War II. Having said that I think it's probably true that most Israelis see Jimmy Carter as being pro-Palestinian. He believes in a two-state solution which may be the right solution in the long run. You know, I just don't see very much changing. I salute Peter and others for finding rays of sunshine somehow in all of this, but, you know, if you are perverse enough to want to be depressed, all you have to do is focus on the Middle East. It's eternally depressing because it's so difficult to see how you break out of current patterns. Even in the United States, it is very difficult for the political alignments here to change. Jewish Americans vote Democratic about 75 percent of the time. Democrats overwhelmingly support Israel. Why would Republicans be more open to Palestinians? Because part of their base constituency is Evangelical Christians who are even more pro Israel because of biblical and doctrinal reasons. So it's hard to see the alignments here changing. It's hard to see the hatred in the Middle East changing very much.
[Costello:] Well, Larry, you always hear about these polls that younger Americans don't strongly support Israel as older Americans do. Does that matter?
[Sabato:] Well, you are absolutely correct. Recent Gallup polls showed that people under 30 are much more inclined to be balanced and to be even sympathetic to Hamas and critical of Israel. Of course, unlike the enormous baby boom generation, they don't have the memories of say the 1967 War or the 1973 War and so on. Still, I think that ought to be of concern to Israel and even the two big American parties because those young people, if it continues with people who are currently in their teens, if that continues, then there could be a basic change in American policy toward Israel.
[Costello:] Ok. So I'm going to be a little more optimistic then, Larry. Peter you are showing a little bit of hope anyway. There are those who believe that other Arab nations are turning against Hamas and they're like silently supporting Israel. Will that change things?
[Beinart:] It's true. Because of that hostility to the Muslim Brotherhood in many Arab capitals, that translates into a hostility to Hamas because Hamas was born as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. But ultimately those Arab governments also can't get rid of Hamas. I mean the being against Hamas. The tragic reality is I think this war has probably strengthened Hamas. Hamas was very weak before it is a war partly because they're not doing a good job of governing in Gaza. They weren't producing results. Now they have this image to some in the Palestinian world of having stood up and fought against Israel. Hamas had even accepted a Palestinian unity government. It's important that I want to get the distinction clear. Hamas as a party does not accept Israel's right to exist. But Hamas had been willing to sign on to a Palestinian unity government led by Mahmoud Abbas and Abbas said that unity government does accept Israeli's right to exist. I think there was the best political strategy which is to say, let Abbas negotiate with the unity government behind him. Then tell Hamas that Hamas has been willing to say they would accept the will of the Palestinian people in a referendum on a two-state solution. They don't support the two-state solution but they would accept the will of their people in a referendum. That, I think, is the best way to get a legitimate two-state agreement and ultimately the further you get toward peace and the end of this occupation and strengthening those Palestinians who believe in mutual co-existence and nonviolence, the more you weaken militants like Hamas.
[Costello:] Ok. So I'm back to depressed like Larry. Peter Beinart, Larry Sabato thanks so much. I'll be right back.

[Burnett:] Welcome back to the second half of OUTFRONT. Plane, train, or automobile. If you're one of the 43 million Americans traveling in the bad weather, just trying to get to Thanksgiving, this is your dilemma, how to choose. So we tried to have a little fun with this today. It is the holiday at CNN to figure it out. We sent three of our correspondents, very unlucky three, on a race. Traveling from New York to Washington. Nic Robertson flew, Lisa Desjardins took the train and Brian Todd braved the New Jersey turnpike in an SUV. That's how I would have gone. I don't know. Something about, you know, you get to have your music and zoom along in the fast lane. Anyway, who win? Got to "THE SITUATION ROOM" first?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] When Nic tweeted and e-mailed that he made his flight, I said, this race is over.
[Burnett:] And a good sport, Brian Todd. Anyway, Nic arrived in Washington more than two hours sooner than Brian. Brian made it to D.C., though, for a lot less, $100 for his tank of gas and tolls, compared to Nic's $500 outlay. And that was why I was wondering why he was so out of breath when he got in "THE SITUATION ROOM." I'm like, couldn't you know, what is up with that? He sounds like a nine-month pregnant woman like me. No, man, upstairs. Anyway, how will you get home, let us know. Well, shocking allegations that celebrity chef Nigella Lawson abused drugs. At a hearing today an e-mail from her husband Charles Saatchi was read in the courtroom. In it he complains Lawson was using cocaine and marijuana daily. Saatchi also reportedly called his ex- wife High-gella in reference to her constant drug use. Now that e-mail I want to know was released in court as part of a case against the couple's former personal assistant for embezzlement. The couple divorced this summer after Saatchi was pictured with his hands around his wife's neck at a cafe. CNN has reached out to Lawson's representatives, but they have so far refused to comment. Well, in classic Dubai fashion, fireworks lit up the world's largest tower. She's a beautiful girl. She really is. The Burj Khalifa is her name and those fireworks were to celebrate the city's winning bid for the 2020 World Expo. Dubai should be excited. This is a very big deal. Over the years, the six-month expedition of the World Expo, which some of you may have thought is back to the worlds fair and stuff no, this is huge money. Introducing the world's life-changing innovation and, the telephone and the escalator over history, and still a huge economic boost to the city that wins it. Shanghai hosted it in 2010, the expo pumped as much as $58 billion into the local economy. Dubai says they'll get more than $20 billion, 270,000 jobs, and expect 25 million visitors during the event. Our fourth story OUTFRONT is a major blow to President Obama. Of course, we're talking about Obamacare. The Obama administration today deciding that they're going to delay a key portion of the health care Website that would have allowed small businesses to enroll online. Now, Republicans, of course, jumped at the news with great excitement. House Speaker John Boehner calling, quote, "another broken promise, and more proof this administration's assurances have no credibility." OUTFRONT tonight, senior White House correspondent, Jim Acosta, to begin our coverage. So, Jim, how is the White House defending this latest delay?
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Well, they're saying that insurers will still be able to provide coverage to small businesses, but that small businesses will have to obtain that coverage offline. They're not going to be able to do it on the Web site. But no doubt about it, this is another mishap and the administration revealed it, Erin, just as the administration was about to pardon the Thanksgiving turkey at the White House. So Republicans pounce, accused the White House of dumping bad news right before the holiday. But just to give you a sense as to what they're talking about, officials at HHS earlier today announced they were delaying the online enrollment feature on Healthcare.gov for small businesses for one year. What that means is those companies would have to buy their coverage for their employees offline through insurers or through insurance agents. Now, officials had hoped to get this portion of Healthcare.gov working this month. As a matter of fact, officials here at the White House and at HHS thought that was going to happen. They said it was going to happen, but it's now not going to happen. Officials caution, though, that small businesses with fewer than 50 employees aren't required by law to purchase insurance under Obamacare. The law just makes that enrollment available. And as you said, House Speaker John Boehner seized on this news and said the president should use this opportunity to delay the implementation of Obamacare altogether until the bugs are worked out. And, Erin, the Democratic Party put out an e-mail to Democrats across the country today, you know, e-mailing out talking points to Democrats to use around the dinner table on Thanksgiving, when they're sitting around the table with their conservative relatives
[Burnett:] Oh, great.
[Acosta:] on how to talk about Obamacare, this was not in there. This mishap was not in there, Erin.
[Burnett:] I have to say, you know, it just would be I hope people aren't talking about Obamacare. I understand it's important. I understand that politics come up, but seriously, I hope we can all do better than that. All right. But, Jim, seriously, despite this latest failure, White House officials have obviously said this weekend that that Web site, Healthcare.gov, is going to be 80 percent "effective", quoteunquote, right?
[Acosta:] Right.
[Burnett:] Going to happen? What is 80 percent, anyway?
[Acosta:] Well, they're talking about 80 percent of the users who would be on Healthcare.gov at any time. And so, you know, there are some folks who are not going to be able to use the Web site as well as the administration would like. But what they are saying is that they believe that the Web site will be working for what they call the vast majority of users. This weekend, they say they are going to meet this target date of November 30th, which is only three days away. But, Erin, keep in mind, as the country is focused on traffic and the highways this holiday weekend, the Obama administration is worried about the flow of people on to this Web site. Earlier this week, a senior White House official confirmed to CNN that the administration met with allied groups, groups that are friendly to this White House, to urge them not to drive traffic to the site for a week. Officials at the White House and at HHS, they want to see what the demand is going to be like and they're urging consumers to avoid this site altogether at peak hours, right around 2:00 in the afternoon, and instead use Healthcare.gov in the mornings and in the evenings and weekends. And, Erin, it sounds like those warnings that you get from transportation officials to avoid highways at certain times of the day. That is essentially what the administration is saying right now about Healthcare.gov. They are just not out of the woods yet.
[Burnett:] They're hoping people are battling it out on Black Friday instead of going to the Web site. All right. Jim Acosta, thank you. And OUTFRONT tonight, "The National Review's" Reihan Salam, Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis joins us as well. So, Chris, you just heard Jim's report there. And I want to add something Majority Leader Eric Cantor said that actually reminded me of something I kind of forgotten, maybe some of our viewers have as well. Cantor said, quote, "Once again, President Obama has unilaterally delayed another major portion of Obamacare. And once again, he has tried to bury bad news around the holiday, hoping nobody will notice. These are hardly the actions of a transparent administration." Of course, Chris, he is referring to the delay of the employer mandate. That was huge news and it announced right before July 4th. You've got to admit. I mean, come on, at this point, why do it right around a holiday every time? Just own up to it.
[Chris Kofinis, Democratic Strategist:] Well, to be honest, I'm not sure they're trying to hide from the fact that there have been some problems with the rollout. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that there are. I think the bigger question is, you know, what are we going to do about it? And clearly the problems are significant enough, but they're getting addressed. What I find kind of amusing when I hear some of my, you know, Republican friends, and members of Congress, talk about Obamacare, is I can't believe that they're this interested in health care. I mean, for years, I couldn't figure out what their ideas were, what the proposals were, how they were going to address the fact there were 47 million people without healthcare coverage. Yet, now, in spite, you know, in life all these Web site woes, you know, they are very fashion passionate about the concerns about health care, except one big problem, they don't have any solutions or any ideas what should be done to fix it or address the bigger problem. That's where I think their outrage kind of falls on deaf ears with a lot of the American people.
[Burnett:] And there is a point obviously, we have the talking points, we talked about it with Reince Priebus, Reihan, the head of the Republican committee, and they had all these things to shoot down Obamacare. They didn't have new ideas in there. But this is something that might be troubling to the GOP. According to our newest CNN poll, 54 percent of Americans believe the current problems of Obamacare can be solved. They do think it's fixable. So, the GOP that's hoping people going to think this is an utter train wreck are now going to vote for Republican, they might be counting their turkey eggs before they hatch.
[Reihan Salam, Cnn Political Commentator:] Well, the fundamental problem is, even if the website is working, even if it's up and running, Obamacare was based on a bunch of carrots and bunch of sticks. Those carrots were offering people subsidies for buying coverage. There were things like
[Burnett:] Going on your parent's coverage, right? Those are the freebies.
[Salam:] And things like the small business exchange.
[Burnett:] Right.
[Salam:] But the thing is, a lot of those carrots aren't quite as appealing as they wanted to a lot of these young invincibles, young, healthy people. And also, now, this carrot for small business. We're going to make it easy for your employees to buy coverage. That's not working either. So, then, you've got the sticks. Then, you've got the individual mandate penalties, and all of the other things
[Burnett:] And the taxes.
[Salam:] And the taxes. These are the things that are designed to get people to buy into the system. So, the thing is, if the carrots aren't working, if they're not proving terribly attractive to people, even when you have the exchanges up and running as you do in some states like Kentucky and Washington state, then what's going to happen when those penalties come down the pike as well? I think it's not just about the Web site.
[Burnett:] Chris, what about this? So, the ultimate carrot to me was people being table to stay on their parent's health care plan, right? That's popular. People like and it's important. And that happened before people had to pay for it. But now you have this problem where those people who are 26 and under are a crucial part of the cadre of people that must sign up for these exchanges for them to function. But if you get it for free on their parent's health care plan, they're not going to go pay for it on the exchange. So, hasn't the administration created its own Hobbesian dilemma?
[Kofinis:] Well, you know, first, bonus points for using Hobbesian dilemma today. I didn't expect that answer, or that question. Nonetheless, I mean, let's put something into context. You know, conservatives want to sit there and talk about carrots and sticks. This the whole idea of the individual mandate was a conservative idea. It was based on a Republican idea. We saw it roll out in Massachusetts under Governor Romney. So, this notion that somehow this is a liberal agenda is fantasy. Putting that aside for a second, when you look at the kind of mechanics of it, every bit policy when you roll out is going to have implementation issues. This one unfortunately is more severe and more dramatic because it's around a Web site. That aside, the reality is, you're going to have I think, you're going to see more significant signups as you get closer to the deadline. You know, are there going to be people who are going to be holding off because they're going to be rather pay the fine or somehow stay on their parent's coverage? Yes. But if you're looking at some of the good news that's coming out, people with pre-existing conditions now can get health care coverage. Families can now cover their young adults. You've got families who can get preventative health care. The cost curve is being bended down. There are positives that are being outweighed, unfortunately, by the negatives of this rollout.
[Burnett:] All right. Final word to you, Reihan.
[Salam:] Actually, the CMS finds that it looks like the cost curve is bending up. You've seen health care growth slow down since 2004.
[Kofinis:] That's not true.
[Salam:] But actually, it looks as though there are a variety of things, including a weak macroeconomic environment that seem to be slowing down health care cost growth. But, actually, Obamacare, it looks like it's just as likely to be increasing costs as opposed to decreasing, despite the spin we're getting from the White House.
[Kofinis:] That's not accurate.
[Salam:] If you try to blame this on Republicans, but this is a real problem that's causing real people
[Kofinis:] It was Republican idea, right? Can you at least admit that
[Salam:] It was the Heritage Foundation's idea that was resisted by Republicans
[Kofinis:] So it was a Republican idea?
[Salam:] Way back that's not that's actually not right. In 1993 and '94, you had most Republicans opposing the individual mandate then. You'd have a handful that backed it then in a different context without over-regulating plans. This is very silly. We should all be trying to fix this, just like the 39 Democrats in the House who tried to pass the Upton bill.
[Kofinis:] That's great, then fix it.
[Salam:] running away from Obamacare
[Kofinis:] a single idea
[Salam:] Democrats like Mark Begich and others who are trying to fix this.
[Burnett:] All right. I'm going to hit pause there. Thank you very much. I know a lot of you all feel as passionately as Reihan and Chris do. Please tweet us your thoughts on their comments now. Still to come, more and more employers are forcing workers to work tomorrow, Thanksgiving. Is that some sort of a sacred American day? Secular, but sacred. You get my point. Or not? Plus, Black Friday turns ugly. Customers threaten violence at America's stores already. We have a special can't-miss report. We'll be back.

[Baldwin:] You're watching CNN here. And we're following breaking news out of Las Vegas, Nevada. Here is the situation. And we're not showing you live pictures at the moment because we're having to move our truck because this is such a fluid situation. But what we have been looking at is a massive police presence, law enforcement on the ground and also in the air. A standoff is taking place. Here you go. Here are some pictures perhaps from a moment ago. Why is this significant? Because the house in which the standoff has been occurring is just a block away from really what was the ground zero of this road rage, this fatal road rage incident from a week ago in which a mother, a wife was shot and killed in her front yard. That all stemmed from when Tammy Meyers, is her name, she and her daughter went out to do a driving lesson. At some point, they encountered a driver. And there was some sort of altercation. The daughter reaches over, honks the horn. Something happens around there. The something, I'm purposely being nebulous. We don't entirely know. Mother and daughter go back home. The son comes into the car. The son has a gun. They return looking in the neighborhood for whatever reason and then that car and the other driver return back to the this home a block away from where we're looking, and this mother there is a shoot-out back and forth, and the mother is shot and killed. Whether or not particular situation that we have been watching the standoff is at all connected that is question number one. Let me just look down at my e-mail. We're hearing now Las Vegas police is currently in the tactical phase of taking the suspect into custody in the road rage homicide investigation. So perhaps they have found this individual. I say perhaps. That's just what I'm getting from P.D. in Las Vegas. I have got Nancy Grace with me. I have got Danny Cevallos with me and we have Sara Sidner and crew somewhere in this neighborhood in Las Vegas. We will check in with her momentarily. But, first, Nancy Grace, to you. When you hear the tactical phase, taking the suspect into custody in the road rage homicide investigation, does that tell you they have got this guy?
[Nancy Grace, Host, "nancy Grace":] Yes, it does. But I want to tell you another thing. Right before this went down about 10, 15 minutes before you put this banner up on your screen, I was on the phone with the father, Robert. And he was telling me what happened at the initial incident. And what he described to me was that they had this altercation with the shooter, that then the mom gets scared, she races home, she says to the girl, go in, I love you, baby, stay in the house, let's get the car away from the house. At that moment, they felt that the perp had already been following them. The son runs out. They take off. They're getting the car away from the house. This is what the father has just told me. They're out. They feel the guy is in their neighborhood. They see him. And at that time, the guys start shooting at them. They at that time do not fire back. They race back home. The guy follows and that's when the mother gets shot. That's what the father has just told me.
[Baldwin:] OK. So just to be clear, it wasn't this notion that this mother and son had gone out with this gun to find this driver in the neighborhood. According to the father, they were trying to get out of there.
[Grace:] Yes, to get the car away. They leave the little the girl there. They get the car away from the house. They feel the guy is following them and this is what the father, Robert, told me. Fifteen minutes later, I look up and I see your banner and hear what you said. I had just hung up with the father 20, 15 minutes before this standoff is going down. It's very odd. This means that they're right. If these reports are true, the shooter is in their neighborhood and was trying to find their house.
[Baldwin:] Yes. I want to play you something. I don't know if you saw this since you were on the phone with Mr. Meyers and put the phone down. We have just turned around this is when he happened to walk out and our camera caught him. Take a look at this moment.
[Meyers:] Are you all happy? You made my wife look like an animal and my son. There's the animal a block away! Are you happy?
[Baldwin:] Clearly distraught. He's lost his wife days ago.
[Grace:] So upset.
[Baldwin:] Absolutely upset, but when he says the animal is right over there, it makes me wonder if the suspect did he say anything to you? Does the suspect live in the neighborhood?
[Grace:] He said the mom was afraid. This is according to the son and the girl, the little girl. They were afraid he lived in the neighborhood, that he was in the neighborhood. And when he was on the phone with me right before this whole thing went down, he was saying they're treating my son and my wife like they're dogs, like they're animals. They didn't do anything wrong. My wife would never have gone looking for trouble. Never. She wanted to get the car away from the house and leave the girl, the little girl, there.
[Baldwin:] Sara Sidner, I understand we have you on the phone now. Sara, can you hear me?
[Sidner:] Yes, I have got you.
[Baldwin:] I understand that the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department now have this suspect in this road rage incident investigation in custody. Can you confirm that?
[Sidner:] I cannot confirm that. I can tell you right now what we're going told is that they have pushed all of the media back. They have still an active scene. There are still officers who are down on the ground. We just saw the mother of whoever was in that house. She came by us and she said, that's my son in there. He is threatening to do something to himself. She was very emotional. She walked by us. She kept walking down with the detective down toward the house, which has been surrounded by police, the SWAT team on the scene trying to deal with this situation. I cannot confirm to you right this second at that they have definitely gotten this particular person in this particular neighborhood one street away from the Meyers' house, whether that person is indeed the suspect of the road rage incident that ended up leaving that mother of four, Tammy Meyers, dead. But I can tell you that we have seen the mother of the person who is inside that house, who is distraught herself, worried about the safety of her son, of course, and really desperate to find out what is going on. I see detectives who have come up. We're going to try to get some more information from them, but this case is one thing after another. It's happening so quickly, and clearly the father of the sorry the husband of Tammy Meyers believes this has something to do with her death, something to do with that road rage incident. He is beside himself with grief and anger and frustration. As you might imagine, this family has been destroyed by this. No matter who escalated this situation, when you look at this family and how close she was with her four children and her husband, it is heartbreaking, no matter what the circumstances are. Yes, police say she may have had a hand am escalating the situation because her and her son jumped back into a car after they had left the suspect. They came back, they went to find him, the son was armed, but they returned home, nobody was hurt. They got back towards their house, and that's when the suspect came up, shot, and killed Tammy Meyers. There was firing back by the son. Just a tragic case all around.
[Baldwin:] Heartbreaking. Heartbreaking for everyone involved, now that we're hearing a mother is concerned that her young son who is inside this home could harm himself. Sara Sidner, I'm going to let you go talk to some of those detectives and connect some more of the dots, as I bring in Tom Fuentes, former assistant director of the FBI. And, Tom Fuentes, just help us understand and I am looking at this e-mail, this is directly from Las Vegas P.D., saying they are currently in the tactical phase of taking the suspect into custody in this road rage incident. Tactical phase, tell me what that means.
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Contributor:] What that means, Brooke, is that they believe they have the suspect in that home and that since he's already they're already believing that he shot and killed this woman, that would mean that he's armed and potentially very dangerous and may not want to be taken into custody. So they're in a tactical status of not just walking up to the front door and knocking and asking if he's home, but being prepared for the possibility that he may open fire on them as they approach the house.
[Baldwin:] He this young man, again, according to Sara, the mother is worried that he might harm himself. She's that's her concern. He has to know because he's hearing all this activity buzzing around, we're looking at these pictures from moments ago, cars, law enforcement, you know, SWAT team en route, you have the helicopter above. How if you are on-the-ground law enforcement, Tom Fuentes, how are you trying to communicate with this individual inside not to harm himself, but to come out peacefully?
[Fuentes:] Well, they will try to communicate. I mean, it can be everything from calling him on the phone if they have his cell phone or home phone number or got his number from a neighbor or somebody else, all the way up to, like you see in the movies, calling out on the bullhorn to please surrender, please come outside. The issue with someone who has gone back to their own home is that when he shot the woman in front of her home, you know, that was one weapon, but when he goes home, he may have an arsenal in that house that they're not aware of. They don't know if he's got shotguns, automatic weapons or what they might be up against. They would rather preferably get him to surrender and come out of the house by himself unarmed, hands in the air, and take him into custody peacefully for his own sake and for the sake of anybody else that may be in that home. You know, they don't want to have what might happen is a barricaded subject or someone at home that's barricaded and maybe using his own family as hostages or human shields. So the potential here for danger is a lot and they will be trying to get this guy to cooperate and scale it down if he's home, assuming he's definitely in the house.
[Baldwin:] Right. Tom Fuentes, stay with me. I have got Nancy Grace with me and also Danny Cevallos. Let me just pause just read something. This is a statement from Robert Meyers, again, who Nancy Grace said she spoke with just 20 minutes ago who we saw. This is the husband of Tammy Meyers, who was shot and killed, all a part of this road rage incident. Let me just read this statement from this husband. "My daughter was dropped off. Look at the footage. Bad guys were right behind. My wife and son drove away from home, bad guys following. She lost them. And upon coming home turned on the street, bad guys are right in front. After that, bad guys opened fire, different location. My wife got home, told her son to take cover. And after he saw his mom shot, he opened fire three times, maybe four. Yes, maybe in a make-up world, she would have stayed home. Please remember statement from this animal. "I'm going to kill you and your daughter." "These guys will get away with murder now. No one gets it. These people came to my home. My son never shot until then. If it was the way media is pitching it, then why did son not shoot when they turned the corner if he was looking to shoot when he had his chance?" Nancy Grace, to you. You just spoke with him 20 minutes ago. Remind us. When the father says that the statement from the suspect, "I'm going to kill you and your daughter," when did that happen?
[Grace:] Yes. I'm going to tell you that happened right at the beginning of the entire incident. And I agree with the father. I am sick, sick about the way the media has treated this mother and her son and her daughter and the father and the son watching the mother get gunned down in the front yard. When they first started off, the mom's teaching the daughter how to drive, how to parallel park on private property at a school about a half-a-mile from the home. So this car they're leaving. A car comes speeding by them. The little girl, the 15-year-old, toots the horn. Her mom is driving. She leans over and toots, hey, you're going too fast. The guy slams on brakes, gets out of the car, comes up to the mom. He's got the mom he's right in front of her, so she can't really get away that quickly. And he has a verbal altercation. Somebody gives the finger and he says, "You know what, I'm going to kill the two of you." Goes back to his car. At that moment, the mom peels off. She's afraid he's following and she was right because he's right there in the neighborhood looking. He didn't know exactly where, but knowing they're in that neighborhood. She puts the girl in the house, gets the son out and off they go. That's what he told me.
[Baldwin:] Danny Cevallos, you're watching all of this. Your thoughts.
[Cevallos:] Well, the narrative seems to be changing. And ultimately the question is going to be, what did the mom and son exactly do?
[Baldwin:] Let me stop you right now. Forgive e. We have a live news conference going on in Las Vegas. Let's take you to that live.
[Unidentified Male:] ... the homicide of Mrs. Meyers into custody at this point. As you can imagine, this is a tactical situation. It is an active, ongoing situation. There won't be much information that we will be able to provide from this point forward. Once more information becomes available, we will be able to release that to you. So, just, again, right now, we are in the tactical phase, attempting to take a suspect into custody who we believe to be involved in the homicide of Mrs. Meyers.
[Sidner:] This is Sara from CNN. Can I just quickly ask you, is it the person you think, you believe shot Mrs. Meyers?
[Unidentified Male:] It is. It is.
[Baldwin:] OK.

[Baldwin:] At first blush, this next story will found familiar. Police avert mass murder by a young man who purchased two assault-style weapons. The young man is convicted and sent to prison. His name is Blaec Lammers. He didn't hurt anyone. His parents called police after finding a receipt for a gun. And our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, dug deeper into this one and he found there is actually much more to Blaec Lammers' story, and it speaks volumes about the fear of another Aurora, Colorado, or Sandy Hook tragedy, the legal system, and a family trying desperately to deal with mental illness.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] Like other new inmates, he's locked up 23 hours a day. Blaec is 22 years old and I met him at the Jefferson City Correctional Center, the maximum security prison in Missouri that he now calls home. [on camera]: What did you do to get here?
[Lammers:] I bought two A.R.s. I didn't tell my mom. She found a receipt in my pocket and then she called the sheriff's department and they came and found me.
[Gupta:] The interrogation, you were asked lots of questions?
[Lammers:] Yes.
[Gupta:] At some point, you said you had intended to cause people harm?
[Lammers:] Yes. And the detective, he came out of nowhere and said I was going to threaten a movie theater. I just started agreeing with him because I knew, either way, he would charge me with something.
[Gupta:] Police eventually did charge Lammers with making a terrorist attack, first-degree assault, armed criminal action. [on camera]: Would you have hart anybody?
[Lammers:] No. I would hurt myself before I hurt someone else.
[Gupta:] Whole it's impossible to know what was going on inside Blaec Lammer's mind when he bought those guns, we do know, in this incident, he didn't hurt anyone. No doubt, he's had a troubled past. In 2011, he pled guilty to an assault at his co-worker in a mail facility. In 2009, he was arrested in Walmart carrying a butcher knife. He told a psychologist he had thought about killing a woman there.
[Tricia Lammers, Mother Of Blaec Lammers:] He said, I just want to get on with my life.
[Gupta:] His parents, Tricia and Bill Lammers, say that was in the past and they agreed to talk about it, including the day they called the police on their own son.
[Tricia Lammers:] I gathered up his clothes from the bathroom floor and came upstairs and was going through his pockets and I found a receipt from Walmart that he had bought a weapon for $865. I immediately went out in the garage. I called Bill. I said, what do we do?
[Gupta:] Was that the concern that he was going to hurt somebody?
[Tricia Lammers:] My concern is he would take the guns and kill himself.
[Gupta:] You decide to call the authorities?
[Tricia Lammers:] The next day, Thursday morning, I went to the sheriff's department with the receipt.
[Gupta:] According to police documents, Blaec's mother was concerned that her son would shoot people in a movie theater. She says, not true, that they had twisted her words. She claims all she said was that the gun looked like the one used by James Holmes in the Aurora, Colorado, shooting. She told me she wasn't worried about a mass homicide but rather a lonely suicide. [on camera]: What did they say to you?
[Tricia Lammers:] They said, OK, thank you for coming. He didn't seem like he was too concerned. Said, OK, thank you.
[Gupta:] Why did they put him in jail?
[Tricia Lammers:] They said they were doing a well-being check so they picked him up at sonic and said we need to take you to the police station for questioning.
[Gupta:] And in an instant, the lives of this family changed forever. Within minutes of meeting Blaec, you can feel and hear and see the cause of his parents' worry. He was a broken kid. Lots of smiles but lots of pain.
[Lammers:] Trying too hard to fit in with other people. At one point, my sophomore year in high school, for a whole semester, from August to September, I ate my lunch in the bathroom because I didn't know anybody. I didn't know anybody that ate lunch at that time.
[Gupta:] It's sad.
[Lammers:] Looking back, I should have at least tried to talk to people but I was shy in high school. I was afraid to talk to someone because of what I would say and how it would come out.
[Tricia Lammers:] He played football and basketball and karate.
[Gupta:] Diagnosed with dyslexia as a child, he struggled in school but he eventually succeeded. By ninth grade, he made the Deans List and was a 4.0 student. And seemingly overnight, it all went downhill and fast.
[Bill Lammers, Father Of Blaec Lammers:] Within six months, it went from wonderful to, what is going on? We've got a serious problem.
[Gupta:] Soon, he was in and out of hospitals. Within just a couple of years, he was diagnosed with a dozen different psychiatric illnesses, mood disorder, major depression, schizoid personality. So when he bought the guns, his parents felt they had to step in. They saw their son as a patient, but authorities saw that same troubled boy and concluded he should be a prisoner.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you have homicidal thoughts?
[Lammers:] I did when I was 16.
[Gupta:] His mother thinks Blaec was a gullible kid and easily led because of his mental illness. But prosecutors say he had a real plan to kill. He just didn't get a chance to carry it out. They believed they prevented a tragedy. Psychologist John Phillips treated Blaec at this hospital when he was 17. [on camera]: Were you concerned that he was a threat?
[John Phillips, Psychologist:] In the four months he was at the hospital, he was the model resident.
[Gupta:] Did you ever feel that he was potentially a harm to others? That was the concern it seemed.
[Phillips:] I never once felt that he would ever try to hurt anyone on purpose. He wasn't a malicious child. I think that he never acted out any of those threats. He never once was violent in any way.
[Gupta:] How do you distinguish the kid who was just talking, being a teenager, versus some one who can go out and do some serious harm?
[Phillips:] You have to find out what is going on in their head and you have to be able to assess whether their behavior is neurologically based and based on an environmental reaction, or whether they are actually sociopathic where they actually don't care about anybody. They just care about what they want.
[Gupta:] Is that the distinction you see with Blaec?
[Phillips:] Oh, absolutely.
[Gupta:] He's being treated as a criminal mind
[Phillips:] Exactly.
[Gupta:] but he has an autistic mind.
[Phillips:] Exactly. I think because of his history of threatening, they kind of put it all of the way to the other extreme and really never gave him a chance to be rehabilitated. And where he is now, there's no chance of him being rehabilitated.
[Gupta:] Do you think prison is the right place for him?
[Phillips:] Absolutely not.
[Gupta:] Blaec also saw a psychiatrist who had concerns.
[Unidentified Psychologist:] We kept a very close watch on him.
[Gupta:] He told us his relationships were falling apart and he often talked about violence. Even so, he agrees that Blaec does not belong in jail. Neither of these men that treated him were asked to testify at his trial. Would it have made a difference? We'll never know. His parents have been shouting from the rooftops that their son is mentally ill and belongs in a hospital, not a prison.
[Tricia Lammers:] I went to the authorities for help and for them to just keep an eye on my son. I did not go there for the intention of him to be arrested.
[Gupta:] Do you think that Blaec would have hurt anybody with these guns?
[Bill Lammers:] No.
[Gupta:] Do you think that could have ever happened?
[Tricia Lammers:] No.
[Gupta:] Did Blaec blame you because you went to the authorities?
[Tricia Lammers:] No.
[Gupta:] What are conversations like with him?
[Tricia Lammers:] I have a letter he wrote me. "I have nothing but time. We both can get through this. Just don't lose hope. This is a very important time in our lives. We can do this together so promise me you'll stop blaming yourself for all of this."
[Gupta:] Lucid, compassionate, thoughtful.
[Tricia Lammers:] Yeah.
[Gupta:] Just one hour with a person isn't enough to really understand what's running through their mind. But as jarring as it is to say out loud, it seems entirely possible that Blaec's only crime here is having a mental illness. [on camera]: Your life now here in this prison, is there anything about it that makes sense to you?
[Lammers:] This place is supposed to help you. I don't think it is. I think prison is supposed to keep you away from society because society is scared of you.
[Gupta:] Should they be scared of you, Blaec?
[Lammers:] For what I said? Yes. For actual me, me. No. I didn't do anything to harm anybody out there. I was just an average 20-year-old kid living in a small town.
[Baldwin:] Sanjay Gupta. In case you were wondering, Blaec's attorney did not attempt an insanity defense, too hard to pull off. They told Sanjay there was much more to the story. Set your DVR right now for "Sanjay Gupta, M.D.," this weekend, Saturday, at 4:30 p.m. eastern, and Sunday at 7:30 in the morning, right here on CNN for more on his story.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] In the Philippines, survival is a battle waged every second. A wife keeps her husband alive by manually pumping air into his lungs at a Tacloban hospital. His leg was amputated days ago. The hospital doesn't have electricity and that's a week after Typhoon Haiyan slammed in. The husband is one more than 12,000 people injured, so many of them clinging to their lives.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Anchor:] It's just such a tough story, folks. Crews are still collecting bodies from the streets and the rubble, and putting them in trucks. Many corpses are headed for mass graves. The death toll now stands at 3,621. The collection trucks have yet to reach some of the parts of the city. A grief-stricken mother knows three of her children are dead. She's keeping their bodies in luggage on the street. CNN's Anderson Cooper talked to survivors keeping watch over relatives' bodies.
[Anderson Cooper, Host, Cnn "ac 360":] A body covered in a sheet, another in a makeshift coffin. There are flowers but no names. No one seems to notice anymore. To survive, the living are told to forget the past, forget the dead, but that of course is impossible. Juan Merto tries to stay busy. His child is missing. He still doesn't use the word dead. Juan's father lays in their shack. His back injured in the storm. His family has suffered more than anyone ever should. [on camera]: How high was the water? The water was as tall as that tree? [voice-over] Janet's two children slipped from her grasp and drowned. I did all that I could, she says, but I let them go. What can you say in the face of such sadness? Jovelyn Taniaga is trying to keep busy. She's collected old dishes and is cleaning them up. We first met her on Tuesday. She showed us the bodies of three of her children. She placed them in a piece of luggage under a sheet. She was searching for her three other children. [on camera]: Has anyone come to help you? [voice-over]: I really want to see them, she says, even if it's just their bodies. Two days later, and she still hasn't found her three other children. [on camera]: Has there been any help since we saw you? [voice-over]: None, she says. My children are decomposing. [on camera]: They're still there? [voice-over]: No help, no local government officials, no city officials, says her father. Nobody is showing themselves. His injured son, Jericho, sits silently listening. Jericho's mother is dead. So is his aunt and nine of his cousins. In a daze, he asked me, when is my mother coming back? He never ever says she's missing. He still thinks she will come back. We didn't know there was a tsunami, he says. We thought it was just a storm. [on camera]: You didn't know there would be this storm surge of water? [voice-over]: We have been through so many storms, he said, there were many times before our house gets destroyed and we just hide behind a tree, but there's no water. It's just wind. It's the water that killed us. [on camera]: If somebody had told you it would be like a tsunami, you would have left? [voice-over]: Yes. He says. We would have left right away. Jericho wants to leave now on a C-130, the kind of plane he sees every day overhead, flying evacuees to Manila. His father tells him they have to stay. They have no money, just each other. That's all that's left. [on camera]: It's been almost a week since the typhoon hit. And the initial adrenaline of the storm and its aftermath has faded and the grim reality of what life is now has taken its place. People are trying to kind of rebuild is too strong a word, just trying to survive as best they can. People have hung up some washing on a shack that they put together out of scraps of corrugated tin that they have been able to salvage. You see women doing washing of plates and clothing, whatever they can find. Whatever they can find that they used to own that's been spread out throughout all this area. You see people walking around, trying to find their possessions, trying to find family photographs and plates and all the little things that make up a person's life. [voice-over]: Survival is still a struggle, for some more than most. Two days ago, we met this man sharing rice with his neighbors. He desperately wanted to call his mother in Manila to let him know he was alive, but his wife and two of his three children were not. We dialed her number for him on the satellite phone. They're all gone. They're gone, he says. They're all gone. We're the only ones who survived. Just the two of us survived, he says. I don't know why this happened to me. We found him again today. How are you? His grief is still overwhelming. He can't stop thinking about seeing his family drown in the storm. The first one that I saw was my youngest, he says. She fainted and then she drowned. The water was so fast and then my wife, when I tried to grab her, I missed her, and then she drowned. And then I never saw her again. He admits he often thinks of killing himself, but hasn't because he still has one child who needs him. It's like I don't want to live anymore because of what happened to my family, he tells me. All of us here lost our loved ones, but all I'm saying is people have different ways of dealing with how we feel, and in my case, I can't handle it. In Tacloban, there is no time for grief, little chance for comfort. Between death and life, the line is thin. Sometimes there's no line at all. Anderson Cooper, CNN, Tacloban.
[Flores:] Tough pictures and tough stories. Tonight, Anderson shows you an emotional reunion in the Philippines. A family separated by the typhoon comes together again. As you know, "AC360" airs tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN. Tens of thousands of people are homeless. Some hungry people surviving on coconut juice, and we know there's a lot of very generous people out there. If you want to help typhoon survivors, go to cnn.comspec cnn.comspecialsimpactyourworld for more information.
[Berman:] A terrific resource. Coming up for us next, it's the middle of the night. A woman knocks on the door of a homeowner. Moments later, he shoots and kills her. As protesters get impatient, prosecutors are revealing whether the homeowner will be charged. Also, will the woman's toxicology results play a role in the case? Plus, for the first time, we're seeing video from inside the mall where a man terrorized shoppers and fired shots before killing himself. We'll show you more of these pictures coming up next.

[Cooper:] In a moment, the debate over boycotting the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia because of Russia's stance on gay rights. First, what's at stake with or without the winter games in the Russian city of Volgograd. This May a young man's badly beaten body was found. His skull was crushed. He'd been raped with beer bottles, stripped and dumped in a local courtyard. Killed, according to one suspect, because he was gay. Something his family denies. Such is the stigma. It's a dangerous time to be gay in Russia or even to speak out for gay rights. Protesters across the country routinely beaten, sometimes by anti-gay thugs as police stand back and watch. Sometimes the police themselves dos the beating. And now in addition to the physical danger, there is a legal dimension. Russian President Putin recently signing legislation amending the country's Child Protection Laws outlining, quote, "The propagandizing of non-traditional sexual relations among minors." Officials saying they are not discriminating against gays, only protecting children presumably from information about gays. The law prompting calls for a boycott of the Olympics or some kind of protest by athletes attending the Olympics, something the International Olympic Committee today said they would penalize and Russian authorities say they would punish under the law. Others, though, including one of Russia's leading news anchors, wants to go even further.
[Dmitry Kiselev, Russian News Anchor:] I believe it is not enough to impose fines on gays for engaging in the propaganda of homosexuality among adolescents. We need to ban them from donating blood and sperm, and if they die in car accidents, we need to bury their hearts in the ground or burn them as they're unsuitable for the aiding of anyone's life.
[Cooper:] That anchor later said he was just talking about organ transplants. You can judge for yourself. Phil Black is in Moscow reporting on the story. He joins us now. Phil, we've seen the images, we've heard horror stories how gay people are treated in Russia. Is there much outrage within Russia itself?
[Phil Black, Cnn International Correspondent:] No, Anderson, there isn't. This has long been a socially conservative society, one with little tolerance for open homosexuality. So there has always been violence against gay people that is disputed by some politicians here. Difficult to draw a link between recent violence and this law, but gay people here very strongly believe it sends a message, reinforces a message that impunity there is an impunity when it comes to violence and humiliation towards them.
[Cooper:] And we're seeing these videos, you know, of one or two protesters who will put up a rainbow flag in support of gay and lesbian people in Russia being hauled off by police, sometimes beaten by crowds or even beaten by police. Phil, how likely is it that gay athletes or athletes who show any support for equal rights for gay and lesbians could actually be prosecuted?
[Black:] It is difficult to say because the law itself doesn't specifically define what gay propaganda is. But you're right in theory it could include simply carrying a rainbow flag, displays of affection, anywhere these things take place publicly, and could possibly be seen by children. That is, in theory, we believe a breach of the law. So if that happens during the games with athletes or visitors showing support for Russia's gay community, that it then comes down to Russian authorities to determine what to do under those circumstances. And it's a challenge for them because they want their laws to be respected, they want their sovereignty to be respected, but they also want desperately want these Olympic Games to be considered a success Anderson.
[Cooper:] Is there any reason, Phil, to believe that Russian officials will in any way ratchet down these anti-gay laws?
[Black:] Not really. No. The law does have tremendous support in this country. And one of the theories is its key purpose was to was to secure the support of the country's conservative majority. There's been a lot of pressure on the Russian government but the Russian government doesn't respond well to pressure, particularly from the outside, doesn't like to back down, little reason to believe it will in this case.
[Cooper:] Phil Black reporting from Moscow. Phil, thanks. Some perspective now from Greg Louganis, perhaps the greatest diver America has ever produced. The first double gold medallist in 56 years, one of the youngest medallists in 1976 and in 1988 one of the oldest. He is of course a legend. He's also gay and has some ideas on how he would protest if he were in Russia for the winter games. We spoke earlier tonight. Greg, obviously, you're an Olympic gold medallist. You're also gay. What are your thoughts about what's happening in Russia right now, particularly the talk of boycotting the Olympics?
[Greg Louganis, Olympic Diving Gold Medalist:] Well, I'm not in favor of boycotting. I mean I lived through two boycotts. Few athletes have that opportunity. You know, there is a short window of opportunity for young kids who train their entire lives for this. Whether they be gay or straight. You know, I was in competitions where, you know, I was called faggot and, you know, there is the whole fag buster campaign. You know, there's a lot of things that, you know, I had to deal with. The diving team, when we would travel internationally, it was very difficult sometimes because nobody wanted to room with a fag. And I would usually ended up rooming with one of the coaches. It's a very small team, small community.
[Cooper:] No one
[Louganis:] I was out for my friends and family.
[Cooper:] No one on your own team wanted to room with you?
[Louganis:] Yes. Usually, I would find one person on the team that was, you know, secure enough in their own sexuality that, you know, they knew it wasn't it wasn't an issue.
[Cooper:] There have been a number of columnists here in the states who suggested that the athletes, you know, on the U.S. team carry rainbow flags or other athletes carry rainbow flags. Do you think that's a good idea, though? I think it's against IOC rules.
[Louganis:] Yes. It's a really tough call and you know, unfortunately, the IOC is not not following their own charter and in their charter, principal six is anti discrimination against, you know, the entire Olympic movement is about not discriminating, and here they are being very select in what their what they are enforcing. And they have come forward to say that they would take action toward those athletes who do demonstrate and it's really unfortunate that the IOC is not living up to, you know, they are talking the talk but they're not walking the walk.
[Cooper:] So you wouldn't wear a rainbow flag or wave a rainbow flag or try to make some sort of a statement while competing?
[Louganis:] I probably would.
[Cooper:] A rainbow Speedo.
[Louganis:] Thanks.
[Cooper:] We're now with Richard Socarides. He served as White House senior advisor during the Clinton administration dealing primarily with gay and lesbian civil rights issues. What do you make, A, of what's happening in Russia right now and the idea of a boycott?
[Richard Socarides, Writer, Thenewyorker.com:] Well, I think it's a big story. It's probably going to be the biggest international gay rights story we've ever seen, and I think we very much have to keep all the options on the table right now, including a boycott. I think principally now the focus should be on trying to get the IOC to move the Olympics somewhere else. I know that's a dramatic would be a dramatic step. But
[Cooper:] Yes. I mean, logistically, is that even possible?
[Socarides:] I mean, anything is possible. I mean, we have to, though, take a strong stand that any country that violates human rights like this, targeting a population for mistreatment, violence, even killings, any country that treats a population like this can't be allowed to host an international sporting event where the idea is supposed to be welcome to everybody.
[Cooper:] Do you think in the future, regardless of what happens in Russia, in the future that the Olympic Committee should take into account a country's treatment of minorities?
[Socarides:] I mean, I think they have to. I think it's part of their charter. And in this instance they seem to have been asleep at the switch for not doing so.
[Cooper:] And their charter does not specifically talk about, you know, being against discrimination of sexual based on sexual orientation or gender identity. Do you think that should be rewritten?
[Socarides:] I think it should be added but certainly their charter I think covers it in spirit. Now it talks broadly about non- discrimination, about the Olympics being about sports. This notion that they would now punish athletes or anybody for protesting, even if we go there, is also ridiculous. I don't think they're going to I think people if the Olympics if the Olympics are actually held in Sochi and the Russians don't change this law, there are going to be massive protests. The Russians will then have to decide whether they're going to arrest these protesters. It is going to be a big mess and a huge story.
[Cooper:] And if it is in Russia, do you think athletes should carry a rainbow flag or rainbow pin or do something?
[Socarides:] I think if it's in Russia and people decide to participate, they must protest this mistreatment of a class of people and this violence that is being perpetrated by this country.
[Cooper:] Do you think if this was if Russia had passed laws outlawing the propagandizing of black culture or propagandizing of Jewish faith, there would be more outcry than there is about gays and lesbians?
[Socarides:] Well, you know, remarkably I think obviously yes. Now there would be, you know, if they if they were targeting women for mistreatment or if they were targeting a racial minority. They are also you know, they are targeting other communities. There is a story in the "New York Times" today about their targeting of the immigrant community.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Socarides:] But, you know, remarkably, this is remarkably like what we saw in 1936 with the Olympics in Berlin and Germany, when Hitler said that he would suspend the anti-Jewish laws during the 1936 Olympics and of course, you know, we he suspended the laws. They took down the anti-Jewish signs. They cleaned things up for a little while.
[Cooper:] Right
[Socarides:] And then of course of course, most people you know, people participated in those Olympics and then we know what happened after that.
[Cooper:] A lot more to come on this, no doubt. Six months before the Olympics. Richard, appreciate it. Thanks for being on.
[Socarides:] Thanks, Anderson.
[Cooper:] Coming up, breaking news tonight. That hostage situation happening right now at a bank in northeastern Louisiana. The gunman has been holding three people hostage for more than six hours. I'll speak with the head of the Louisiana State Police coming up next. Also tonight, what changed Dr. Sanjay Gupta's mind about medical marijuana? There's been a tremendous response to a documentary. I'll speak with him coming up.

[Robyn Curnow, Cnni:] Welcome to the International Desk. I'm Robyn Curnow at the CNN Center. We begin with breaking news in the business world. Rupert Murdoch, the Australian media mogul, is preparing to step down as CEO of 21st Century Fox. Well, let's go straight to our Maggie Lake. She joins us now from New York. Hi, there, Maggie. I know that there's not a lot of information. Do we know why Mr. Murdoch has decided to step down now?
[Maggie Lake:] We don't, Robyn. This is just coming across, but it's worth pointing out that he is 84 years old, still, a vibrant and powerful force in the media landscape for decades now, and someone, who just last year, made a bid to try to buy Time Warner, which, of course, is the parent of CNN, so this is a man who had his hands on the wheel, certainly, and has been a major force in this company, which many know as News Corp. It was split off after the trials and tribulations of the newspapers in the UK and formed a publishing and then the sort of media, TV, and movie side, which is 21st Century Fox, but Rupert Murdoch stepping down. What we do know from earlier reports, and, again, this just coming in, and these are reports, is that James Murdoch, his son, will take over as the head; although, he will run it in conjunction with his brother, Lachlan. It looks like the current COO, Chase Carey, will be stepping out of that role; although, perhaps not stepping away from the company altogether for at least a transition period, maybe moving into some sort of advisory role. Again, these are all reports not confirmed by CNN. This is going to be interesting to see how investors react to this. As legendary as Rupert Murdoch is, there has always been concern about the family control of this company, the stormy relations between the family and just what a succession plan would look like. Investors loved Chase Carey when he came in. He really helped firm up the company, drive that entertainment arm, which has been the money-making arm of this empire for some time now. It's been, as you know, a very tough environment for publishing, and so Chase Carey was very much loved by Wall Street. Now that he's stepping in and the family really taking over this next generation, I think the verdict is out on exactly how they're going to feel about that. There's going to be a lot of work done to sort of shore up confidence, but, again, this is a big development for media on a man who's really towered over the landscape, Robyn.
[Curnow:] He has towered over the landscape. An extraordinary story, you know, taking his father's newspaper in Australia and creating this massive global empire, and it hasn't just spanned media. I mean, the political influence that Rupert Murdoch has wield, also significant. Do you think that will change, or how much of an impact did that hacking scandal play into the fortunes of Mr. Murdoch's company?
[Lake:] I think this had a huge impact in terms of looking at his legacy. When is it comes to the company, I mean, this was such a huge story at the time. We followed it so closely, and whenever I would talk to investors, they would have a very different perspective and say, listen, as long as there's a firewall, and it doesn't touch the entertainment part, that's the real core of this company. Murdoch loved his newspapers. He was a newspaper man, and the publishing side meant a lot to him in terms of his story, but for investors, it was all about that entertainment side, the television, the movie studios, so I think that when we look at Rupert Murdoch's story, that hacking chapter, very important in terms of looking at his legacy. It certainly changed things reputationally. Some people thought it was going to be the end for Rupert Murdoch. If you remember back to that powerful man sitting in front of UK Parliament, having to sort of explain himself. He looked very humbled, and it was such a different Rupert Murdoch that we saw. A lot of people thought that it might be the beginning of the end then, but, instead, it wasn't. He came storming back, made that bid for Time Warner, so that is why it's so the significant, I think, to see that sort of bold, and Rupert Murdoch choosing now, this moment to step aside, Robyn.
[Curnow:] Thank you so much for all your updates there. I mean, an extraordinary man, no matter whether he love him or hate him.
[Lake:] [Inaudible].
[Curnow:] He really has left quite a legacy, and also made very sure that his line of succession, his children, I think he's been nurturing them from a very young age to
[Lake:] That's right.
[Curnow:] take over now, so, Maggie Lake, thank you, and any more details on this story, you will bring them to us. Thank you. And there's a lot going on here at CNN. Also, we're hearing major developments in that story that has absolutely focused police in the US. There have been developments in that prison escape. We're going to take you to our sister network, CNN USA for that. Okay. You've been listening there to our coverage, continuing coverage, of a major story that's been breaking and developing in the US the past few days. That rather audacious prison escape by two murders. They've been hunted for the past few days here in the US, and it looks like police say they have picked up some scent, police dogs have picked up a scent of them, so we'll keep you updated on that story if there are new developments on if authorities find them, but there's also another story breaking here on CNN, which has global implications, and that's about Rupert Murdoch, the CEO of 21st Century Fox is preparing to step down. Well, our Brian Stelter joins me now from New York, and, Brian, there's not a lot of information. Maggie Lake was saying that earlier. The question I have is why now?
[Brian Stelter:] Absolutely. Well, you think about Rupert Murdoch, you think about one of the giants of global media, but a person who has been thinking for a long time about succession planning, about who to hand his company to now as he continues, you know, to run these companies, day-to- day, two of them; 21st Century Fox and News Corporation. And the word is that he'll be stepping down from 21st Century Fox, which is the bigger, and the more valuable of the two companies. It's the company that includes Fox News, Fox Sports, most of pretty much all of his television and film assets all around the world, and he will apparently be handing the reins over to his son, James. Now, Murdoch's company is not confirming any of this yet. This is according to a source with knowledge of the matter who is speaking to me for the moment. Apparently, these plans were not supposed to come out yet, but they are being put into place, and we will be hearing more about them shortly.
[Curnow:] I mean, Mr. Murdoch has been a huge character within the media scene for decades now, but he is 84 years old. He's just a few years ago had a rather messy divorce, and it does seem particularly after that hacking scandal, he looked definitely, frailer, didn't he? That said, this is a man who's known for being very tenacious. His sons, what do we know about them? There's James Murdoch, who looks like he's going to be handed the day-to-day running of 21st Century Fox, but there's also Lachlan Murdoch who's been based in Sidney, Australia, who some reports I'm reading here are saying that these brothers are going to try and work together in partnership, and, of course, Rupert Murdoch will still have major influence.
[Stelter:] Yeah. We should mention first and foremost, according to the source that I'm speaking with, Murdoch will remain executive chairman, so that would give him the final say
[Curnow:] And also he'll be co-executive chairman
[Brian Stelter:] over issues at Fox.
[Curnow:] I understand.
[Brian Stelter:] That's right. Yeah. And then Lachlan would be co- executive chairman while working with his brother James. Anybody who's got brothers can imagine the dynamic here, and anybody who's got a lot of money can imagine the dynamic there as well. When you've got brothers who are trying to, in some cases, compete for their father's affections, well, that has been a story of the Murdoch empire for a long time. There have been family members, you know, siblings excuse me, children of Rupert Murdoch who go away for a while, who come back, who go away for a while, but, lately, James Murdoch has become more involved with the company. He has been seen all the time at the company. He's been by his father's side, so it makes a lot of sense that he is apparently expected to be named CEO of 21st Century Fox.
[Curnow:] Indeed. I mean, when you look to this new generation, James specifically was very hurt by that hacking scandal in the UK. He stepped down as the head of BSky
[B. Stelter:] Right.
[Curnow:] But I understand from reports and, you know, people that, you know, within the media industry, saying that he has become perhaps a more mature leader in the last few years, and also that he has been very he has pushed ahead with digital expansions. Do you think that's also key?
[Stelter:] You know, you think back to that hacking scandal a couple of years ago, and people like me, frankly, were writing stories about the end of his empire. Well, that certainly did not come to pass. It certainly was a terrible situation for the companies. It was a massive ethical scandal, and it did do damage to the companies. Partly, it's why the two companies now are separate, 21st Century Fox and News Cooperation, with News Corporation owning the newspapers like News of the World and all the rest and all the UK papers, all the Australian papers, et cetera, but, my point is that they were able to weather that storm. They were able to come through it, and they were able to get to the other side of it, and, frankly, the companies are in relatively strong shape right now; particular, 21st Century Fox. You mentioned digital, and that's going to be the most important word throughout this transition, throughout this story. Moguls like Murdoch may know that digital is all that matters, but their sons, their children, know it more deeply because they've grown up with it more. Murdoch is still has a love for the printed page, for the printed newspaper. His sons, like James Murdoch don't necessarily have that same kind of attachment, and they may be better positioned to make the changes that are necessary in a digital environment. You know, Rupert Murdoch has done some important experiments with digital. He's tried iPad apps. He's tried online subscriptions, but I think what we would see in the future from his sons is much more of a tilt toward all that digital represents; whether that's online streaming services or of web versions of newspapers.
[Curnow:] Indeed. And let me this is certainly not his obituary, but I think, you know, there is a sense of looking back at the career of Rupert Murdoch here. I mean, he's not going to let go of the greater vision of these companies when his sons are in the driving seat, but still, I mean, let's talk about the man, Rupert Murdoch. I mean, just the kind of influence he's managed to peddle in the capitols of the world over the past few decades. I mean, this is a man who didn't just publish newspapers. He wielded political influence, particularly, in the UK. I mean, look, Tony Blair is the Godfather of one of his youngest daughters.
[Stelter:] That's right. Some people have compared him in the past to William Randolph Hearst, and the comparisons make a lot of sense. If I think about the United States as a media market, you think about Murdoch owning the New York Post, the tabloid newspaper, and in his endorsements in the Post being very important, but perhaps his most important contribution to the United States, to the political and media spheres here, has been Fox News, which launched about 20 years ago, which became the dominant cable news channel in the US, and which combines a conservative brand of politics with news coverage in a way that hadn't been seen before in the United States. That has been an incredibly influential tool for this morning sometimes and for Roger Ailes, the chairman of Fox News, and Fox News is an example of Murdoch's power and of his influence. It's a news brand but also with political significance.
[Curnow:] Indeed. Thanks so much for your analysis on this news that Rupert Murdoch will be preparing to step down as the CEO of 20th [sic] century 21st Century Fox. Brian Stelter, thank you for that. You're walking the iDesk. I'm Robyn Curnow, and we'll be right back after this short break.

[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] Parts of North Carolina under water as flooding overtakes a town. First responders race to rescue people stranded. And, now, a state of emergency is in effect.
[Unidentified Female:] He then patted me on the behind, laughed and said, nope, it's still there.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] San Diego's mayor accused of sexually harassing at least several women, commits to two weeks of therapy. One of his accusers weighs in now on whether she thinks that goes far enough.
[Unidentified Male:] Can you do your signature whistle?
[Harlow:] Oh, they're cute, smart and they talk. A new report shows dolphins actually have names for each other. That's this week's "The Science Behind." Good morning, everyone. I'm Poppy Harlow.
[Malveaux:] And I'm Suzanne Malveaux. It's 6:00 and this is NEW DAY SUNDAY. Welcome. We begin in Indianapolis where a church community now is grieving this morning.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] Witnesses are saying that a bus carrying mostly teenagers from a church camp, it didn't slow down when it hit an exit ramp. This is on I-465.
[Harlow:] And rescuers say the driver told them his brakes failed. The crash killed three people, injured at least 19 others. Eric Levy from our Indianapolis affiliate WXIN reports.
[Eric Levy, Wxin Reporter:] The story of this deadly bus crash as being told by the people who saw it happen.
[Carol Albright, Witness:] Out of nowhere, this bus, you know, came from my left, hit the concrete median and flipped.
[Levy:] And by the brave folks who stopped to provide care to the injured.
[Sasha Sample, Registered Nurse:] I think the driver was the first one I came up on, and he was bleeding pretty bad, so I stole somebody's belt from
[Levy:] Each one is painting a part of a picture of this bus crash that came at the end of a church retreat. Investigators talked to witnesses who said the bus was coming off 465 at a high rate of speed. The driver attempts to make a left turn onto Keystone, but it turned on its side. Thirty-seven people were on the bus. Three people died, including a married couple. More than two dozen others were taken to a number of area hospitals or treated on scene. Investigators will look at everything they can to try to come up with a reason for how this happened.
[Troy Riggs, Department Of Public Safety:] Road conditions, looking at what may have occurred, talking to witnesses, and then basically going from bumper to bumper on the bus and looking at all mechanical functions.
[Levy:] Dr. Azam Ghafor, from St. Vincent's Hospital, was driving nearby and says he stopped to help the injured.
[Dr. Azam Ghafor, St. Vincent Hospital:] I mostly saw a lot of back injuries, a lot of head and neck injuries. But from my assessment, that they weren't that severe. From the like I said, all the severe patients were gone much quicker than after I came.
[Levy:] And for those like Carol Albright, who witnessed the crash and the aftermath
[Albright:] Just, you know, as I was waiting down there, seeing the package of Capri Sun and the sleeping bags and the maps on the floors.
[Levy:] It's a sight that will stay with her for a long time.
[Malveaux:] That is so sad this morning. That's Eric Levy at affiliate WXIN. And, Poppy, I mean they were just a mile away from their destination when that crash happened. It's unbelievable.
[Harlow:] Unreal.
[Malveaux:] We have more sad news as well. Search crews, they're expected to return to the Hudson River this morning to look for the best man of a wedding still missing after a boat accident.
[Harlow:] And we told you about the accident first here yesterday. And it led to the tragic death of a bride-to-be. Lindsey Stewart, she was set to get married look at her there in just two weeks. Now the driver of the boat is facing charges in her death. Our Alina Cho has more.
[Alina Cho, Cnn Correspondent:] Lindsey Stewart and Brian Bond were the picture-perfect couple. The two, engaged to be married, were set to wed on August 10th, until they decided to take a boat ride Friday night up the Hudson River. Just minutes after leaving the marina around 10:00 p.m., the small speed boat carrying six people struck a barge. The bride-to-be and best man were ejected. The groom- to-be were among the four survivors. Knocked unconscious, when he awoke, he immediately called for help.
[Chief William Barbera, Rockland County:] There was a body recovered of a female who basically fit of description of the person whose missing.
[Cho:] Lindsey Stewart, the 30-year-old bride-to-be. Here she is on FaceBook, showing off her engagement ring, and this one with her sister. Her mother spoke to reporters hours earlier when there was still hope her daughter was alive
[Carol Stewart, Lindsey Stewart's Mother:] She's supposed to be married two weeks from today. It just can't end like this.
[Cho:] What's worse, authorities say, it appears the driver of the boat, a 35-year-old man, a friend of the couple, was intoxicated. He's been charged with vehicular manslaughter and vehicular assault. A horrific ending to what was supposed to be a great night on the eve of a wedding.
[Barbera:] It's horrible. We met with the families today. It's devastating. Absolutely devastating.
[Walter Kosik, Lindsey Stewart's Stepfather:] They used to go to church together. And they've been friends for the whole time. And they got they fell in love about three and a half years ago.
[Reporter:] Was she really excited about it?
[Kosik:] Oh, yes. She did all the plans herself. That's something a nightmare I don't wish on any parent.
[Cho:] Alina Cho, CNN, Piermont, New York.
[Harlow:] Unreal. A tragedy. And our thoughts are with the families of Lindsey also, they're still looking for the best man and everyone else involved in that. Really tragic.
[Malveaux:] Yes, our thoughts and prayers are with them. I want to go on to weather. There is more rain that could fall. This is in western North Carolina today. And that's probably exactly what they don't need.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] There's been severe flooding here. This is Catawba County. This is just northwest of Charlotte.
[Harlow:] And rain seems to fall in buckets. That's what it looked like yesterday, quickly whipping up flash floods. Emergency crews say they carried out at least 10 swift water rescues. They had to fish people from their homes and their cars. Meteorologist Jennifer Delgado is here. Good morning to you, Jennifer. Fortunately, I think pretty surprisingly, we haven't heard of injuries.
[Jennifer Delgado, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, that's right, absolutely. Especially when you see the video of the flooding there and some of those cars trying to pass through flooded streets. Yes, flash flooding happened yesterday after a tremendous amount of rainfall came down. But some of these locations, we're talking six to 10 inches of rainfall. You can see where the area where the heaviest rainfall is as indicated by the orange and the red shading there. The rainfall, as I said, came down in just a short amount of time. And the good news is, all the flood watches have actually expired, but we still have some flood warnings out there and they include areas like South Carolina that also have picked up about four inches of rainfall as well. But, certainly, North Carolina took the brunt of this storm system. As we look at the radar right now, notice that we still have some showers out there, right in the western part of North Carolina. So what does that mean today for the folks that had to evacuate yesterday? Well, we're going to see potentially more storms today. Some of them we could pick up maybe about a quarter to a half-inch of rainfall. But as we go through the future, this gives you an idea where the heaviest rain is going to be. It's certainly going to be to the east of Charlotte, North Carolina. Now, it's not all bad out there. Today, we are going to see cooler temperatures. And it's a nice day out there. And, in fact, it's a new day in St. Louis. We have a live shot. And areas across St. Louis, it's going to be a beautiful morning, it's going to be a beautiful afternoon. Today we're expecting high temperatures right around 75 degrees. Suzanne and Poppy, guess what, that's still running about 10 to 15 degrees below average for this time of the year. Back over to our graphics here. It's not just St. Louis that's going to enjoy the sunshine out there, but we're also going to see comfortable temperatures for areas like Chicago, as well as Indianapolis. And then the rain comes tomorrow, so get out there and play today before it gets bad.
[Malveaux:] I'll take it.
[Harlow:] I like it.
[Delgado:] Don't ask me about any day tomorrow.
[Harlow:] Yes, I'll take it. Suzanne likes it hot.
[Malveaux:] I do. I like it really hot.
[Harlow:] I know. We're hot chicks. Thanks, Jennifer.
[Malveaux:] All right, thank you. We're going to go overseas now. Neither side is backing down. This is in Egypt, where supporters of the ousted president, Mohamed Morsy, they are fighting with the military-backed government. The latest fighting has left about 72 pro-Morsy supporters now dead.
[Harlow:] And the Muslim Brotherhood claims that the police opened fire on crowds of protesters, but government officials deny that. So let's go right to CNN's senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman. He is in Cairo. Hello to you, Ben. Set the scene for us right now.
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, right now you still have these thousands and thousands of supporters and deposed president in the northern Cairo suburb of Nasser City and right outside Cairo University. They say they will not move until the deposed president is reinstated. However, the interior ministry yesterday said that they are preparing the legal ground framework for those demonstrations to be broken up by the police and the army and they say that will happen very soon. And, of course, this that risks the repeat of the sort of scenes we saw early Saturday morning, whereas you said, dozens and dozens of people were killed, hundreds were wounded in clashes between the police and the army. Outside those two areas, however, Cairo is fairly calm. Tahrir Square, behind me, there are a few tents out there, but, otherwise, pretty calm in this area. But those areas around the demonstrations, a lot of tension and a lot of anticipation of more trouble.
[Malveaux:] And, Ben, we know the secretary of state, John Kerry, yesterday said, this is really a pivotal moment for Egypt.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] That this country is forever going to be impacted for what happens now. I mean they have to move forward here. How do they do that?
[Wedeman:] Well, that's a very good question. Now, there is an interim president. There is an interim government. But the real power in this country at the moment is with the defense minister, Abdul Fattah al-Sisi. Now, he has promised, he has put forward a road map which he came up with in consultation with various political forces. If they can manage to get the transition back to democracy going, get a new constitution, schedule parliamentary and presidential elections, many analysts I've spoken to are optimistic that Egypt can get back on track again. But this is a very difficult moment because you have the supporters of the deposed president and the Muslim Brotherhood are now very much in the political wilderness. There is very little in the way of any attempts to bring them back into the political process. And even though they may be unpopular at the moment, for decades they have been a significant player in Egyptian politics. So if they can get the transition moving again, and somehow bring elements of the Muslim Brotherhood back in, this could be, indeed, a reset, a restarting point for the Egyptian revolution, but it's very risky at the moment.
[Harlow:] Absolutely very risky and it's so unstable there and it's so important to have stability in the region and we definitely do not have that, especially where you are right now, Ben. Appreciate the reporting. Thank you.
[Malveaux:] A Spanish judge today is expected to question, this is the driver in last week's deadly crash. This was that high-speed train you might recall.
[Harlow:] Yes. Police have accused Francisco Jose Garzon of reckless homicide. The judge wants to speak with him before deciding on formal charges. The deadline for that is this evening. What we know at this point, at least 78 people were killed when that train derail and then split apart. Meantime, Pope Francis is getting ready to wrap up this visit to Brazil with mass in just a few hours. It is considered the high point of this year's World Youth gathering. And he's been there all week.
[Malveaux:] Yes, it's been an amazing trip to just watch that unfold. The pope has drawn amazing crowds. They've been screaming. They love him.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] He arrived on Monday. Officials say that 3 million people packed into Copacabana Beach last night for this prayer service with them.
[Harlow:] And our Miguel Marquez has been there all week with the pope. He is in Rio for us this morning. Miguel, what's the feeling there as Pope Francis heads into the biggest event of this trip?
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, this is it's going to be huge. I mean it took us a while to get down here today. I am looking out over a mass of people. If you know Copacabana Beach, it's about two miles long, the whole thing. And it is, from start to finish, packed with people. The streets around Copacabana, there are pilgrims sleeping everywhere. Keep in mind, this was not planned for them to be here. They were supposed to be 30 miles away from here in Guadachiba, a giant field that they had. But it's rained so much this week, it's turned into a mud pit. Not only are there millions of pilgrims and this one may rival Pope John Paul in the
[Harlow:] Absolutely. It must be amazing to be there, Miguel. Appreciate the reporting. Thank you. And we're going to bring you a lot more on the pope's message, what he's been saying all week there in Brazil, a little later in the show.
[Malveaux:] Amazing pictures.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] Four million people. You can imagine that?
[Harlow:] No, I can't.
[Malveaux:] Wow. And a woman accusing San Diego's mayor of sexual harassment, well, she says now that more women might come forward.
[Laura Fink, Accused Mayor Filner Of Sexual Harassment:] There are a number of women, yes, that have been on the receiving end of this behavior.
[Malveaux:] Our interview with Laura Fink, next.

[Banfield:] Welcome back everyone. Live in Sanford, Florida, I'm Ashleigh Banfield, reporting on the George Zimmerman murder trial. You're not missing any testimony. They're in a brief break in that courtroom. And the minute they pop back up onto those cameras and the live mikes are fired up again, you will go right back in live again as well. In the meantime, some other news, after 11 weeks of sitting in a prison cell, Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is going to be in a courtroom today, facing many of those who were injured in the Boston marathon bombing, and the families of those that he allegedly killed as well as his brother allegedly killed when they allegedly bombed that marathon on April 15th. He's to be arraigned on 30 charges. Those charges are killing four people, maiming and wounding others, the use of a weapon of mass destruction, deadly bombing of a public place and use of a firearm causing death. Those are federal charges, folks, and this is a federal process. Our national correspondent Deb Feyerick is live from Boston. This must have been a pretty emotional day to start with, knowing that this was going to be the first face-to-face for these families and for this suspect.
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn National Correspondent:] You know, there's no question about that, Ashleigh. In 17 of the counts that you referred to in that 30 count indictment, well, 17 of them are eligible for the death penalty, and that's what his lawyers are going to be trying or trying to fight. About an hour ago, a caravan came with Massachusetts state police and U.S. marshals, a white van followed by an armored vehicle. That was about 11:30 this morning. We believe that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was in that caravan. This entire place was on an extreme state of lockdown, and now it's a little bit easier here. You still have a lot of security, but the mood has shifted dramatically after that caravan and went into the side entrance. But a lot of mystery about him, you know, Ashleigh, it's always difficult to reconcile the two parts, the image of somebody you've seen so much on television, in the newspapers, in images online, with the man himself. He's 19. He's going to be 20 this month. He's going to walk into that courtroom, and it will be interesting to see how he conducts himself, how he carries himself, likely be wearing prison garb, and the court has made very clear that any of the victims or their families who want to come can be in that courtroom to sort of face him. And, you know, Ashleigh, I've been in courtrooms when now-convicted terrorists entered, and it's important for some of the families to sort of to see them, to make it even that much more tangible. So that's going to happen at 3:30, the arraignment. He'll enter a plea, Ashleigh.
[Banfield:] I remember, Deb, and you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong on this. It's been 11 weeks, but those initial photographs that came out in the week of the manhunt and then the arrest had Dzhokhar Tsarnaev with very long curly hair. And then the reports that came in said that he had actually cut his hair very short, perhaps was trying to elude capture and change his appearance. So this is likely that the person that these families are going to face in court and we won't be able to see this. There won't be cameras in this federal courtroom.
[Feyerick:] Correct. There are never cameras in federal court. That's always one of the challenges of covering these kinds of cases because you get such an in-depth and personal, intimate look at these alleged criminals, and the only thing you can do is sort of describe what they look like as opposed to clearly looking at a state court in a state case as you're doing now. But he is likely to look different. One of his roommates said that he had changed his appearance. He cut his hair short. This is one of his friends. And so, you know, it'll be interesting. Also, keep in mind there's always something that changes about a person's pallor, a person's demeanor, when they walk into the courtroom. Sometimes they are shackled as is likely he will be shackled. Sometimes they're not. But again, they call it sort of the prison pallor because he's not exposed to a lot of sun. He's at the Devens prison facility about 50 miles from here, and he himself had to recover from wounds he sustained during the gunfight and also when he went on the run and was found hiding in that boat. So a lot of loose ends, and it will be interesting to just see how he carries himself and how he pleads. Ashleigh?
[Banfield:] Well, let's hope those courtroom sketches are accurate because I think a lot of people want to see what he looks like now, what condition he is in, whether he can move around, like you said, whether he's maimed or limping from his injuries from that arrest night. But Deb Feyerick is on it for us. Deb, let us know as well if you hear whether the prosecutors finally make public whether they plan to seek the death penalty in this because these are eligible charges, but they have to let that be known. So, Deb is on the job for us. Thanks so much. Do appreciate it, Deb. Coming up, we have been waiting for someone to make an appearance in this courtroom down here in Sanford, Florida because he's not been allowed in throughout the last two-and-a-half weeks. It's the father of George Zimmerman. You've seen the parents of Trayvon Martin, but why not the father of George Zimmerman. He's a potential witness and he's barred from being in the courtroom. So when might he actually show up as a witness? We'll talk about that in a moment.

[Whitfield:] Russia's president says he is doing everything he can to keep the winter Olympic games safe. But after a new terror video came out today, we are all wondering if what he's done will be enough. The video had this ominous statement from men claiming to be suicide bombers saying this, quote, "as for your Olympics, something that you really want, we've prepared a present for you. You do your business and we'll do ours. We've prepared a present for you and all tourists who come over," unquote. Russia is flooding Sochi with police. But one U.S. lawmaker worries about what it's not sharing about security.
[Rep. Mike Rogers , Intelligence Committee Chairman:] I am very concerned about the security status of the Olympics. I do believe that the Russian government needs to be more cooperative with the United States when it comes to the security of the games. We have found a departure of cooperation that is very concerning to me.
[Whitfield:] Mike Baker is a former CIA covert operations officer and president of Diligence LLC, a global intelligence and security firm. He join me via Skype from Boise, Idaho. Good to see you, Mike. All right, so, Representative Rogers complains the Russians aren't sharing enough Intel, particularly with U.S. authorities. But should the expectation be that they would reveal everything?
[Mike Baker, Former Cia Covert Operations Officer:] It's their turf, right? And they are very nationalistic. They know what they are doing. But there is this tradition of cooperation between the host country and all the other Intel and law enforcement services because you've got even two issues here. You want to ensure you're providing the host country, in this case Russia, with all this possible and additional resource if they need an additional Intel, if they need it. But you're also hoping to get a very thorough assessment to take back home with you so you can work with your own Olympic team to ensure that, you know, they are, the host country, they are doing the security that you want to see. And so, in the lack of cooperation
[Whitfield:] So, what if anything, can the U.S. do, for example, to protect its delegation? What kind of cooperation can U.S. intelligence give or provide or expect from Russian authorities?
[Baker:] Well, part of the problem is that the Russians are in a difficult situation here. Just in their backyard, they have got a major threat. They have been engaged in a very brutal battle, most people know about it over the years, particularly Chechnya, Dagestan, with
[Whitfield:] And given this video from these alleged suicide bombers, do you expect now there will be an attempted attack at these winter games?
[Baker:] Well, yes, I mean, frankly, what do you have? You have to look at the realities on the ground. You have a highly motivated group of people. Not that far away from where the Olympics are going to be taking place. There's a history of brutality, who maybe Russian forces and the folks that are engaged in this battle, particularly Chechnya. And so, they are highly motivated. They are working against the Russian force service, law enforcement military Intel service behind that is putting everything behind this. It is again, Putin's reputation. That counts for a lot in Russia. So yes, I would expect to see more attempts. The Russians can stop every potential attack. It's counter-terrorism. You don't expect to stop everything. So, I'm not really liking the odds.
[Whitfield:] All right, Mike Baker, thanks so much coming to us from Boise, Idaho. Appreciate it.
[Baker:] Thank you.
[Whitfield:] All right, coming up, did Chris Christie's office hold Sandy relief funds hostage? Hear what the mayor of Hoboken is claiming. What she told Candy Crowley. Plus, why some members of Congress are saying don't go to Sochi.

[Baldwin:] OK. If you are one of those football fans who dreams of going to the Super Bowl but can't quite afford it because the prices are too high, you are not at all alone. Now there is a man who actually is fighting, legally speaking, to change that. He is Josh Finkelman, a New Jersey businessman, filed a class action lawsuit against the NFL this week. He claims that they are pricing the average fan out of the biggest game of them all, the Super Bowl. Finkelman claims the NFL made only one percent of tickets available for fans, and his lawyer says that violates New Jersey's consumer fraud act. So, Danny Cevallos, our CNN legal analyst, I've never been to the Super Bowl, but I guess they're somewhere in the range of $2,000 and upwards? But is the NFL actually violating a law by making them so expensive?
[Danny Cevallos, Cnn Legal Analyst:] New Jersey, the state of New Jersey, prohibits withholding more than five percent of tickets from any event. This complaint alleges that the NFL is withholding 99 percent of its tickets. And the reason this is bad for consumers is that by withholding it they sell them to secondary buyers who then create this secondary market, and the mark-up is astronomical What's so interesting is that the state of New Jersey itself has used this law to go after ticket-sellers in the past, but the more cynical observer might suggest that it hasn't bugged the NFL because god forbid you scare away the Super Bowl from the state of New Jersey. But, of course, that's only the cynical observer who would make that observation.
[Baldwin:] OK. So bottom line, see any of this changing anytime soon?
[Cevallos:] Like this lawsuit, New Jersey takes a hard-line approach in protecting consumers, especially when it comes to tickets, so I like this lawsuit so far. It will be really interesting to see how the NFL responds, but if you look at the letter and the numbers of the law, it appears that just from this complaint that the NFL may be in violation of New Jersey's consumer protection statute.
[Baldwin:] Danny Cevallos, thank you very much. And it is warming up across the U.S. after the, quote, unquote, "polar vortex: gripped much of the country, but exactly how cold was it? Here's an example. An escaped inmate actually chose to go back to prison because it was just so darned cold. We'll take a look at some of the more unique stories that came out of the cold snap.

[Wayne Lapierre, Ceo, Nra:] We believe in absolutely gun-free, zero tolerance, totally safe schools.
[Lapierre:] That means no guns in America's schools, period. I call on Congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation.
[Morgan:] The NRA's Wayne LaPierre with a complete about-face on guns in classrooms. I want to bring in two people who couldn't disagree more about guns in schools. Joining me is Mary Cathryn Ricker, president of the St. Paul Federation for Teachers and vice president of the American Federation of Teachers. She works on school safety policies. Also CNN political commentator, Ben Ferguson, host of "The Ben Ferguson Show." They're both on the grill tonight. To Ben Ferguson, give me one good reason why arming 20 teachers and administrators is a sensible way to reduce gun violence in America?
[Ben Ferguson, Cnn Political Commentaor:] I've give you three. One, because these teachers are volunteering and they know their school better than any police officer will in their community. Two: you're training them with 50-plus hours in their school only. They're not doing police training like police do where their hours are diluted in all different scenarios. And the most important reason, in Arkansas specifically, they had one of the worst shootings early on in history when in Jonesboro, you had an 11- and 13-year-old take out a teacher, students and not only that, wound a bunch of their classmates and no one was there to stop them. So, from a teacher's perspective who's willing to go through the training, who's willing to go through the background check and willing to put their bodies in front of their students like we saw in Newtown, where there are always hero teachers who takes bullets for students, why not allow some of them who want to have this extensive training, which is more than police officers get, in this one situation? Instead of being shot to death, allow them to take out the shooter and save their kids' lives. That to me is common sense.
[Morgan:] And before I go to Mary Cathryn Ricker, you would presumably by extension of your argument, Ben, you would arm every single teacher in America if you could in every school?
[Ferguson:] No, absolutely not. I would only arm teachers that want to be armed and want to go through the training. I absolutely do not want every teacher in America to have a gun because there are a lot of teachers that would not feel comfortable having a gun on their body, in their possession, and I certainly would never want anyone to carry one in this situation who didn't want to.
[Morgan:] OK, let's go to Mary Cathryn Ricker. What is your reaction to that?
[Mary Cathryn Ricker, President, St. Paul Federation For Teachers:] My huge concern is this idea that for every problem you think you may be solving, there are going to be far more pervasive problems that you're actually creating. An this idea that you're creating an atmosphere in a school that is now an armory you know, where are teachers going to keep these guns? Are they carrying them home at night? Are they storing them somewhere in the school building? When you have students and families and other adults who have already had traumatic gun violence in their lives, are you now creating a classroom as a traumatic place for them where the classroom had that sanctuary
[Ferguson:] That question that question
[Ricker:] And finally no, I think you also have to look at the fact that, you know, in this perfect scenario you're talking about a teacher who in a split second is going to have access to a firearm that is not going to equal what these murders are bringing into schools, either.
[Ferguson:] Mary your option is this
[Ricker:] Are they keeping this on your person? Are they keeping it locked and loaded?
[Ferguson:] Mary, Mary
[Ricker:] Will they have time to go and unlock it?
[Ferguson:] You're this is where the fear-mongering is exhausting. You just asked a bunch of questions and obviously did not do any of the research because you want to terrify parents that are watching tonight. I can answer the question. First of all
[Ricker:] Ben, I am a parent. I thought of this
[Ferguson:] It has to be on the person. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. The gun, first of all, if you actually looked at what they are doing, has to be on the person. It is not locked up in the school overnight. It's not being left in a drawer. It is a concealed weapon on the person. That is the law of anyone who is a guard in this situation, which is the law in Arkansas. So let's not put out information that is not true
[Morgan:] Okay, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, let me ask you a question.
[Ferguson:] Sure.
[Morgan:] How would a teacher with just 50 hours of any kind of training with a gun be able to stop somebody like Adam Lanza with an AR-15 with perhaps 100-bullet magazine? Explain to me how you'll do that?
[Ferguson:] Well, you actually take the gun. You lift it up. You aim it at that person, and then you pull the trigger. It works. I had two guns pointed at me, both of them shooting at me, and I was able to protect myself. It's a lot better than putting your hands up like this or putting yourself in front of children and then taking them and having absolutely no way to defend yourself or the poor children
[Morgan:] Where do the teachers put the guns? Where do the teachers put their guns physically?
[Ferguson:] They wear it on their waist. This is not some new technology. It's the same thing
[Ricker:] There are a couple things about this really concerning
[Ferguson:] -or any police officer does.
[Morgan:] OK. Mary? Because Ben, they are police officers. Wait a moment!
[Ricker:] Ben
[Morgan:] They are police officers. That is their job.
[Ricker:] That's right.
[Morgan:] Like soldiers are soldiers. We're talking about teachers. Where do you end this? Do you then go and do the same with nurses, you do the same with priests?
[Ricker:] We're starting at the wrong place here.
[Morgan:] I mean, what I'm telling you is a logical argument.
[Ricker:] First of all, we started in the wrong place.
[Morgan:] Mary?
[Ricker:] Yes, so we're starting in the wrong place. If we are, as a country, come to the fact that these intruders come into our school and hunt our children down and and kill them and we're just reacting, then I you know, then then we're starting too late. We're reacting too much. The superintendent...
[Ferguson:] So what do you want to do?
[Ricker:] ...of the school district actually said that so so first of all, Ben, I actually don't appreciate being accused of not doing my research because I've spent quite a bit of time talking to the...
[Ferguson:] Well, but but the things you brought up had already been answered.
[Ricker:] ...about this situation. They haven't been. We have not had the sort of comprehensive conversation we had to actually solve this problem. We haven't. And what we have to do, when when this superintendent said that lock your doors and shut your lights is not a plan, I actually agree with him because what we've done there is we've accepted...
[Ferguson:] So what do you want to do?
[Ricker:] ...that these just are going to happen. So...
[Morgan:] Well, hey hey, Ben Ben, let me jump in there because Ben...
[Ferguson:] Yes, OK.
[Morgan:] ...every single day, it seems, we read these awful stories of accidents. Put aside for a moment any threat of homicide or mass shooting or whatever. Let's just get down to the nuts and bolts of what happens when there are lots of guns around, right? A recent study in the Southern Medical Journal conclude and I quote, "The dangers of having a gun at home far outweigh the safety benefits." And we've seen a a load of young kids who have picked up guns and shot their siblings, shot their parents. Well, it's not funny, Ben, is it? It's happening on a daily basis.
[Ferguson:] It's not funny because there there are crime victims. But Piers, there are crime victims that I can bring before you that would say what you just said absolutely did not apply to their life. Go to any person who had a gun and protected and defend themselves, I'm one of them who actually was faced with a gun being point at them or their home was being it kicked their front was being kicked in or their back door was being kicked in. And it saved their life. And an accident didn't happen there. And without a gun, they would probably either be raped or dead or live a life of fear and terror because of the horrible crimes that are committed against people that cannot defend themselves. I also have to say one other thing about teachers. Why are we acting as if teachers are somehow incompetent to volunteer to then go through training? We trust them with our children's lives.
[Morgan:] But Ben Ben Ben...
[Ferguson:] We trust them with reading, writing and arithmetic. But we act like they're incompetent to carry a weapon.
[Ricker:] Knowing that, you're incompetent.
[Morgan:] ...there were of course, as you know...
[Ferguson:] They are.
[Morgan:] ...I do know, Ben. There were armed guns at Columbine, Virginia Tech, obviously at Fort Hood, the base was swimming in them.
[Ferguson:] Right.
[Morgan:] And there's no evidence that it makes any difference. When you have people in tears on mass killings...
[Ferguson:] And they're too far away.
[Morgan:] ...and so I come back to my point, which I think is' Mary's point she had it earlier is chicken and the egg. What you're going to try and do is make it far more difficult surely for these mass shooters to get their hands on these killing machines, bring in universal background checks, ban high-capacity magazines. Ban assault rifles, do something to try and make it more difficult.
[Ferguson:] And you and I look at this...
[Morgan:] Your answer is what you do after the event. It's like, well, they'll come anyway. So let's arm everybody else. It's the Wild West.
[Ferguson:] No, it's not the Wild West because because hold on, I have to I've got to respond to that, Piers.
[Ricker:] Piers, can I make another point about places where schools act truly been for...
[Morgan:] Hold on, let let Ben respond to me and then Mary, you have the last word.
[Ricker:] Absolutely, absolutely.
[Ferguson:] Let me let me say this. When you look at school shootings in America today, you brought the brilliant point. At some of these locations, there was a armed guard. And unfortunately, that armed guard was too far away or the police are too far away to take out the threat at that moment. We saw that in Newtown. It was too long before the police. And it's not their fault got there. When you have multiple people in a school who have volunteered and have been trained more in that situation, then the majority of police have been trained in that situation and they know that school. And they want to do it...
[Morgan:] OK.
[Ferguson:] ...and we trust them with our kids, why would we not trust them with this?
[Morgan:] OK, but Ben, very quickly, last point to you and then a final point to Mary, why did Wayne Lapierre as early as 1999 why was he so adamant that shouldn't, by his words, that we saw at the top of the segment, there should be no guns at any school in America. And now, he thinks the complete opposite?
[Ferguson:] Because because I think he saw that that idea which we tried coast to coast in this country with gun-free zones, they're posted every school in this country gun-free zones, it has been a failure. And the number of school shootings has risen since we've had gun-free zones.
[Morgan:] OK.
[Ferguson:] So when kids are getting killed, sometimes, you adapt and you change. It's called using the brilliant mind that god gave you to realize sometimes they don't work. And gun-free zones are a failure every time a shooter walks on campus.
[Morgan:] OK, all right. Yes, I will say that brilliant minds can also work out. The more guns you have, the more gun deaths you're going to get. Anyway, Mary Cathryn Ricker, last word to you.
[Ricker:] Yes yes, Piers, the final point I want to make is we we do learn a lot from studying tragedies like Newtown and Columbine. What what I don't think we pay enough attention to is how much we can learn from those potential school shootings that have been thwarted or prevented completely. And and really, the the two big lessons, one as I've studied, those thwarted or prevented school shootings are that one, the relationship someone had with the potential shooter that had got them to stop their behavior and two, the people who noticed changed behavior, saw something on social media and said something and actually got someone help before they've committed some horrific tragedy.
[Morgan:] Yes.
[Ferguson:] I'm in favor of that.
[Ricker:] And I really do think...
[Morgan:] OK.
[Ricker:] ....we need to do more...
[Morgan:] Good point.
[Ricker:] ...elevate that...
[Morgan:] Good point.
[Ricker:] And that's where solutions lie.
[Morgan:] Good point. Mary, I've got to I've got to leave it there. That's a very good point to end on.
[Ricker:] Absolutely.
[Morgan:] To Fen Ferguson, to Mary Cathryn Ricker, thank you, both, very much indeed. When we come back, reaction to today's Bradley Manning verdict not guilty of aiding the enemy but will he spend the rest of his life behind bars anyway?

[Unidentified Male:] The President of the United States.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The shadow of crisis has passed, and the state of the union is strong.
[Unidentified Male:] It's time to move on beyond President Barack Obama. I wish I had better news for you. All is not well in America.
[Unidentified Female:] Americans have been hurting.
[Obama:] I have no more campaign to run. I know because I won both of them.
[Unidentified Male:] This morning, Yemen under siege. It may be the most volatile situation on the face of the planet.
[Unidentified Female:] We apologize for the error.
[Unidentified Male:] We apologize for the error.
[Unidentified Female:] The mayor of Paris plans to sue Fox News.
[Unidentified Male:] Fox News has been embarrassed, humiliated. It's a joke.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] This is your NEW DAY, Wednesday, January 21st, 6:00 in the east, almost strong, that's the state of the union, President Obama says, declaring an end to the economic crisis and focusing on the middle class. The president is also vowing to hunt down terrorists, a nod to all that's going on around the world.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] We'll have the highs and lows of the president's speech in a moment. First, breaking news in the war on terror, Yemen, the worst fears of the west seem closer at this hour, rebels have stormed the presidential palace, attempting a coup against this critical American ally. This as the U.S. Navy positions two ships in the red sea, ready to evacuate all U.S. embassy personnel. Our team coverage begins with CNN's senior International correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh. He is the only western TV journalist in Yemen. What do we know at this hour, Nick?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] With power vacuums that made Washington's policy makers most nervous; and this morning, we have awoken to an absolute void at the heart of government. The president, yes, well, he's still called the president by the leader of the Houthi rebels, last night in a lengthy speech. But he's still in his residence. And his presidential bodyguard, we understand, according to a senior Houthi commander, have left him. And it is, instead, Houthi gunmen who say they are protecting him inside his house. Is he still the president? Do the Houthis want to claim that title for one of their own? That has to be worked out today, but a real sense of a vacuum here inside Sana'a. That is vital, though, for the U.S., because any sense of chaos here simply makes life easier for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. There's a sense of fear, too, about the U.S. diplomats, one of their cars shot up two days ago now. They are still here, but the U.S. military on standby to pull them out of here. And the real question, of course, being how does the rest of the country react? We are hearing rumblings from the pro-government south that they feel they're deeply concerned by the Houthis' power grab inside the capital. Quite where this leads in the hours ahead will massively affect the future of one of America's key counterterror allies.
[Camerota:] Thanks, Nick. We will monitor that situation all morning. More breaking news now. Police in Israel investigating a terror attack in Tel Aviv this morning. Authorities say a Palestinian man stabbed several people on a bus, many of them suffering serious injuries. Global affairs correspondent Elise Labatt joins us from Jerusalem with the latest. What do we know, Elise?
[Elise Labatt, Cnn Global Affairs Correspondent:] Well, Alisyn, it happened just as rush hour was starting. Soldiers, women, children, all on that bus. Now nine people stabbed, four seriously wounded. Others have a range of injuries, from light to moderate. Police shot the attacker in the leg after he got off the bus, trying to make his escape. They arrested him, interrogated him; he's now in custody in the hospital. Police say this 23-year-old Palestinian from the West Bank city of Tulkarem, arrived in Tel Aviv this morning, got on the bus at the central bus station. Two stations later he took out that knife and began stabbing people. Police forces, they searched the area. They haven't found any other suspects connected to the attack. Naturally, though, Tel Aviv on high alert, as is Jerusalem. No indication any terrorist group is involved. It does seem like we're talking about a so-called lone-wolf attack. Still, Hamas has praised the attack, and Prime Minister Netanyahu is saying it's those type of attacks that come from incitement against Israel by the Palestinians, the kind of anti- Semitism you also saw in Paris and around the world Michaela.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Elise Labatt, thank you. Meanwhile, one of the Paris terrorists and his wife may have been looking for possible targets for several months. Brand-new surveillance video obtained exclusively by CNN reportedly shows the pair walking by a Jewish institution in Paris last year before the deadly attack on the kosher grocery store, this as we learn more about four men who are in custody connected to the attack. Let's get right to senior international correspondent Nic Robertson, live from Paris Nic.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Correspondent:] Michaela, we're learning new details from the prime minister about the scale and scope of the terror problem here in France. He says 3,000 people in the country have jihadist ties and need monitoring, need the intelligence services to watch them. He says that radicalization is on the increase. t continues to grow. He said those with ties to radical elements in Iraq and Syria have jumped up 130 percent over last year. And he has been laying out what he is going to do about it, how France is going to tackle their terror problem. He says the government will be spending close to $500 million on things like de-radicalization, better intelligence gathering overseas. Three hundred million dollars will be allocated to the interior ministry over the next three years alone. They're going to create over 2,600 new jobs to combat the threat. They're going to appoint 50 another 50 imams to go into prisons here, where there's a massive radicalization problem. They'll join the other 182 imams working on de-radicalization. The problem in the prisons here, a big and growing one, as well. These are just some of the highlights of what the government is planning. And an interesting development from the prosecutor in the details about Amedy Coulibaly, the gunman who went into the kosher supermarket. The four people being held by the government do not appear to be Muslims. Three of them with a criminal track record involved in the buying of a getaway car that was used, or the car that got them to the supermarket, and involved in the buying of the weapons. A worrying trend here, the nexus between criminal elements and terrorists here Chris.
[Cuomo:] You don't have to be a Muslim to want to sell guns to people. That's for sure. Nic Robertson, thank you for the reporting. So the president, optimistic, defiant when making a pitch for the middle class during last night's State of the Union address, even taking a few shots at the new Republican-controlled Congress. Let's bring in White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski. Michelle, certainly a tale of two parties, if not two cities, on display in a big way last night.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Right, right, right. And you know this was the State of the Union address that the president has been wanting to make. He was fired up during parts of it, and he also broke with tradition in the sense that this wasn't a string of proposals we haven't heard about before. But he made the case for what he's already unveiled, and for working with Congress, within limits, of course.
[Unidentified Male:] Mr. Speaker! The president of the United States!
[Kosinski:] President Obama strode into what some call hostile territory, the now-Republican-controlled Congress, but he even got a kiss from Michelle Bachmann. This was intended to be a different type of State of the Union.
[Obama:] Tonight, we turn the page. The shadow of crisis has passed, and the State of the Union is strong.
[Kosinski:] His first standing ovation was for saluting American troops. Another big one on the economy.
[Obama:] Over the past five years our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs.
[Kosinski:] This speech was less a laundry list of new things to try over the year, and more a determined philosophical case for those goals: immigration reform, free junior college, the president's tax proposal that the Republicans oppose, to take a bigger chunk from wealthy Americans and benefit the middle class.
[Obama:] If you truly believe you can work full time and support a family on less than $15,000 a year, try it. If not, vote to give millions of the hardest working people in America a raise.
[Kosinski:] The president's urging to make affordable child care a national priority got a few women on the Republican side standing. On foreign policy, a vow to fight terror.
[Obama:] We will continue to hunt down terrorists and dismantle their networks.
[Kosinski:] Members of Congress clutching pencils in solidarity with French cartoonists for free speech. And this poignant moment in the president's argument for lifting the Cuba trade embargo.
[Obama:] And after years in prison, we are overjoyed that Alan Gross is back where he belongs. Welcome home, Alan. We're glad you're here.
[Kosinski:] President Obama reiterated his veto threats but also spoke for crafting a better politics in America.
[Obama:] Imagine if we broke out of these tired old patterns. The better politics is one where we debate without demonizing each other.
[Kosinski:] And politics made for an unintentionally funny wrapping up.
[Obama:] I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda... I know, because I won both of them.
[Kosinski:] In the Republican response, freshman senator and war veteran, Joni Ernst.
[Sen. Joni Ernst , Iowa:] Americans have been hurting, but when we demanded solutions too often, Washington responded with the same stale mindset that led to failed policies like Obamacare.
[Kosinski:] Pledging that Republicans heard the message Americans sent in the mid-term elections and will pass what she called serious ideas for the economy.
[Obama:] Let's begin this new chapter together, and let's start the work right now.
[Kosinski:] There was one new thing we heard in that speech last night. Something called the precision medicine initiative that would look for cures for cancer, diabetes and other diseases. The question has been for all of these things, "Mr. President, how you plan on funding them?" At least the things that can be done without Congress having to approve them. We know that the president plans to present his budget within the next few weeks Alisyn and Chris.
[Camerota:] All right, Michelle. Thanks so much. Let's get into all of that and those questions. We want to bring in John Avlon and Margaret Hoover. John is a CNN political analyst and editor in chief of "The Daily Beast." Margaret is a CNN political commentator, Republican consultant and a Sirius XM host. Guys, great to have you...
[John Avlon, Cnn Political Analyst:] Good morning.
[Camerota:] ... here for our post-game wrap-up.
[Margaret Hoover, Cnn Political Commentator:] Here we go.
[Camerota:] OK. Highs and lows for you, John?
[Avlon:] The highs were a lot of the ad libs, because you got that level of authenticity. Even when he pushed back on kind of the sarcastic claps he got about not being able to run again. And a pretty surging end. I think the lows were when he talked about bipartisanship, but the proposals didn't add up. And I thought the Joni Ernst GOP response was stale. Not Bobby Jindal, kind of pageboy bad, but one not...
[Camerota:] Meaning her delivery?
[Avlon:] Yes.
[Camerota:] Margaret.
[Hoover:] I think the low is the total lack of really acknowledging that he's facing the largest Republican majority since 1920. I mean, he made absolutely no sort of acknowledgement that all of the proposals he was suggesting have absolutely zero chance of passing. So it was incredibly defiant, and that's a low. That is not in the gesture and the ethos of actually being able to get something done in the next two years. I think a high was at the end. There really was this moment of authenticity, this realization that "I haven't gotten things done. I said I would change Washington." And there was this brief moment where I felt like everybody leaned in to see if he would maybe take some responsibility for that. And he did a little bit. But then he went on to just laugh off his two wins and say, you know, "You guys may be saying I don't have to run again, but I'm not going to run again and I won both times." So I think that moment almost encapsulated...
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Hoover:] ... the problem and that dynamic between this president and this Congress.
[Cuomo:] Right. The problem is that the very people in control of the problem are the Republicans, and they're also the ones who created the dynamic that now they have to show that they want to undo.
[Hoover:] You can't just blame one party. It takes two to tango, Chris Cuomo.
[Cuomo:] Yes, you know what, though?
[Hoover:] You can't do that. You're a leader in Congress...
[Cuomo:] This morning I am and here's why. I didn't used to blame one party, because they weren't in control. But now they are. And control...
[Hoover:] Well, they haven't even started. They just began.
[Cuomo:] Control look, they started before they came into office. They're there now, and you heard the response from Joni Ernst last night.
[Hoover:] Guess what started before they came into office? It started with executive actions.
[Cuomo:] You were proud of what you heard from Joni Ernst?
[Hoover:] I think she did a really formidable job...
[Cuomo:] Yes?
[Hoover:] ... in the sense that she she checked the box. She did what she needed to do. She presented the Republican vision.
[Cuomo:] That's the Republican vision, what we heard from Joni Ernst last night? You're confident in that? I just want to hear it.
[Hoover:] Yes. Here's what she talked about. She talked about the suffering that the middle class is going through, that the middle class hasn't grown over the last ten years. That what we need new policies and a new policy approach to addressing these the crunch in the middle class. I mean, that's what she talked about. She also talked about the need for more robust and leaderly foreign policy.
[Avlon:] Yes, but there's a problem...
[Hoover:] I think what you don't like is her delivery.
[Avlon:] That is true and her...
[Cuomo:] It's just a list of negatives, with absolutely no promise of delivering on the negatives.
[Avlon:] No, no, no, no. The underlying issue is let's go beyond the delivery. The problem is persistent, which is expressing concern for the middle class, but then proposing absolutely no specific policies that are signature Republican to deal with it. It's not enough to simply express concern and say, "Oh, we're going to put forward serious policies later." You've got to put something forward specific. This speech will be known, if it is known, as Obama trying to reframe his economic legacy as middle-class economics. There's the big spin the White House wants to put on this.
[Camerota:] Yes.
[Avlon:] At least there's some degree of specifics, both past and future.
[Hoover:] What's not specific about passing Keystone? About reforming Obamacare? About changing corporate...
[Avlon:] It has nothing to do with middle-class ultimately.
[Hoover:] Really? You and I are going to argue about that.
[Avlon:] Yes, indeed.
[Hoover:] Actually Republicans believe that, if you change the corporate tax code, you will impact the middle class, if you reform Obamacare.
[Avlon:] Trickle down? That's a good example that's a good example, though, of things that actually, this president agrees with Republicans in Congress. If they could agree on details like loopholes, which Ernst referred to, but didn't deal with. There are areas, trade agreements that they can get done. Where the president's in opposition to the liberal base of his own party. Marco Rubio called into the Hamby cast last night and made a case for some issues of common ground involving college tuition and childcare tax credits. Hard to say.
[Camerota:] Yes. But John, I want to push back on you in terms of the specifics. It's what Michelle Kosinski said, which is they didn't think that the president offered enough specifics on how to get it done. How will he fund the middle-class tax relief that he's talking about, without hiking taxes on the wealthy, which Republicans say they don't want to do?
[Avlon:] He's proposed hiking taxes on the wealthy to pay for it.
[Hoover:] It will not pass the Congress.
[Cuomo:] That's the problem, though. See, that's why you want to use the word "blame." I think it's a bad word, and here's why. The game is played. It shouldn't be played, but it is. They're in control of the game. Your party is in control. What gets done is up to them.
[Hoover:] That's exactly right.
[Cuomo:] Just saying, "This won't happen," all that will lead to is more stalemate. You know it; I know it.
[Hoover:] No. The problem it's not that anything won't happen. I'm not saying because you have a Republican Congress, nothing is going to happen. What I'm saying is the president's policy solutions from last night, which are basically middle mid-century, 20th Century modern American liberal solutions.
[Cuomo:] That's what he is.
[Hoover:] Suffering and ills in the American society can be fixed by government spending. That is not going to pass the largest Republican majority since 1920.
[Camerota:] OK. So John...
[Avlon:] I don't know that I agree. First of all, earned income tax credit is not a mid-20th-century...
[Hoover:] Paying for college tuition. Paying for these new these new programs.
[Avlon:] One of the things the president is trying to address, and not just rhetorically, is the issue of income inequality and a middle class that seems stagnated. And that's an issue that we should all take seriously. What I want to hear is more Republican specifics on how to address it. Let's just set the table for real for one second. You've got a Republican Congress. You've got a Democratic president whose poll numbers are rocketing us because the economy is rocketing up, so he's in a stronger position than he was.
[Cuomo:] Which the Republicans deny, by the way. You listen to the Republicans, they say the economy stinks.
[Avlon:] But well, which is everybody gets their own opinion, not their own facts. Here's the other situation, is the president has to actually deal with the Republican Congress, no just pretend like the mid-terms didn't happen. And so maybe this comes together in the budget. Maybe this is the president saying, "Look, I'm not going to negotiate myself out of the gate. I'm going to set forth a liberal vision, and then Republicans and I will meet in the middle." But that's got to happen for either of them to have a legacy for the last two years of this presidency.
[Camerota:] Let's show you the poll that was taken...
[Avlon:] All right.
[Camerota:] ... right after the president spoke. This is a new CNNORC poll. This is of speech watchers. Fifty-one percent found the speech very positive; 30 percent found it somewhat positive; 18 percent found it negative. So 81 percent.
[Cuomo:] Now what's the big check on that poll?
[Camerota:] Right. The check on the poll is that speech watchers it's a self-selecting poll.
[Hoover:] Right.
[Camerota:] Speech watchers are generally Democratic. If you want to hear what Barack Obama has to say, you're a Democrat, and you tune into the State of the Union. So it's not reflective of 50 percent Republicans. But still, 81 percent is a pretty high number, given even that.
[Avlon:] That's a landslide.
[Hoover:] Yes. Look, there were attempts at, you know, oratory that did feel sort of positive and uplifting at times. And you're I defer to your point. You made my point exactly. The people who wanted to see that speech and were going to like it, watched.
[Avlon:] But as a former speechwriter, I've got to give a shout-out. Because what was really interesting was the speech was a lot looser in tone. There were really unusually casual lines. They were young and in love in America, which is the best the best it doesn't get any better than that. A lot of really casual lines and rhetoric that was kind of stripped down for him. And I thought it was actually pretty effective. He was doing a lot of ad libs. He was a president in command last night in terms of his delivery.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Avlon:] And the tone was different. Not so high-falluting.
[Cuomo:] I thought he was solid. It's a hard speech. I've watched them given my whole life on the state level and the federal level. They're not exciting speeches. He is in a position right now where it's more philosophy than policy. It just is. Because the other party is in control, and they don't want to do anything that he will have his name on, for good or bad reason. But here's the caveat. He was optimistic last night. Leaders have a duty to inspire the people. Not be Pollyannaish, although I think that word is abused. I thought Pollyanna was OK. But the Republicans must do that now. You can't look at the economy and say the economy stinks. You can't do that. You can say wages aren't growing. But they have a mandate now to be the point is to be leaders, be positive. Not everything can be bad.
[Hoover:] You are absolutely right, Chris. It is their job to now pass legislation that they think is going to address the middle class. They need to pass trade bills, they need to pass some kind of tax reform. And by the way, these are all things the president has said he is willing to sign and work with them on. So go for it, Republicans. Set the table for 2016 and actually do something proactive.
[Avlon:] And positive.
[Hoover:] And then let's see what happens.
[Camerota:] On that rose-colored note, John, Margaret, thanks so much, guys. Great to see you. Let us know what you think of the president's speech. You can tweet us, @NewDay or you can go to Facebook.comNewDay. We'd love to hear your thoughts.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, we're going to test the players in what we said should not be a game. But you've got senators Angus King. You've got Thom Tillis. You have the White House senior adviser, Valerie Jarrett. You have Congressman Keith Ellison. Both sides represented. What are they going to do to make your life better? That's the true measure of their success Mick.
[Pereira:] Want to turn now to the intensifying battles in the eastern Ukraine. The country's prime minister claims that Russian troops crossed the border to join the fight with separatist rebels against Ukraine's defense forces. Russia calls the allegation, quote, "complete rubbish." Ukraine is enduring some of the worst fighting between government troops and pro-Russian separatists since last summer. A doctor shot at a Boston hospital has died. Police say 44-year-old Michael Davidson was targeted by a lone gunman who walked into Brigham and Women's Hospital on Tuesday, asked for the doctor, and shot him twice. The shooter identified as a 55-year-old male, he then killed himself. There are reports that the gunman's late mother was one of Davidson's former patients.
[Cuomo:] Deflate-gate, here are the facts. ESPN reports 11 out of 12 footballs used by the New England Patriots in Sunday's AFC championship game underinflated by two pounds per square inch. Fifteen percent less air than required. What does a softer football do? The obvious: makes it easier to grip, especially in the cold and rainy conditions which plagued the game. Oh, funny you should say that. Please, come back to me. What you just saw was a huge lineman catch a ball that was a quick pass with big taped hands. That's not easy. I happen to have two football in my lap.
[Camerota:] I see that.
[Cuomo:] Here is a regularly inflated one.
[Camerota:] OK.
[Cuomo:] It is very hard. This is a less inflated one. Now, I've exaggerated it.
[Camerota:] Even I can deal with this one.
[Cuomo:] I've exaggerated it, in part because I don't like the Patriots. But also to make a point. That a softer ball could make a difference.
[Pereira:] Doesn't the league supply these?
[Cuomo:] The league does not. The teams do. That is a very good question.
[Pereira:] Why not? It's like the MLB. Doesn't the ump have the ball?
[Cuomo:] The MLB has the ump. Maybe the league should control the games if the teams cannot control themselves.
[Camerota:] OK. So is the bottom line that they cheated?
[Cuomo:] The bottom line is, the balls were less deflated. You would have to prove intent. And I will give one nod to the Patriots, and again, I'm not a Patriots fan. I'm a Jets fan. They ran all over the Colts. As John Berman said, they could have won with balls made out of marshmallow fluff.
[Pereira:] Deflated balls or not.
[Camerota:] If they cheated, I mean, doesn't that...?
[Cuomo:] There's a solid case to be made they should be disqualified from the Super Bowl and the Jets should be put in, in their stead.
[Camerota:] All right. We have much more on all of this coming up in our "Bleacher Report." Meanwhile, back to our top story. There is a coup underway in a key American ally. Yemen's presidential palace overtaken by rebels, how dangerous is this to U.S. security?
[Cuomo:] The CEO of AirAsia speaking out to CNN for the first time since the crash of Flight 8501. He's going to tell you about the moment he learned about the crash. It is a powerful interview, and it's ahead for you.

[Baldwin:] A father is forbidden from attending his little girl's funeral. Police say his father killed his daughter in a drunken spree. Take a look at 11-year-old Shantee Lanza. She was having a slumber party with friends inside this house, her mother's house last weekend. Her mom got angry because her father brought a gun to the party. She told the dad to get out, to leave. Prosecutors say Shantee's father left and got really drunk and came back hours later. Outside the house her father allegedly fired four wild shots into the air. One bullet pierced the second story bedroom where Shantee was hiding and landed in her chest. The father has pleaded not guilty to reckless homicide. Shantee's mother wanted him at the funeral just to help her say goodbye, but a judge now says no way. Because someone else might get shot at the funeral because this is held in a rough neighborhood. The judge worries that vigilantes might bring guns to the funeral. CNN legal analyst, Sunny Hostin, joins me here in New York and there a lot of layers to this one. Do you think that was fair?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] I do think it's fair. I mean, if someone is being held pending trial, a compassionate release even for the day is up to the judge. It's not something that is randomly given. There is a balancing test that needs to be done. You do have to look at security. You do have to look at victims' issues
[Baldwin:] It was just really about the neighborhood?
[Hostin:] Well, I think it was probably a bit about the neighborhood. I think it was a bit about security and I also think when you look at the history of this case, which I have done, this is a man who three times was charged with violent domestic abuse of his wife. Three times those charges had to be dropped because she refused to come to trial and testify against him. And so we are not talking about someone that hasn't had activity with the law and when we are talking obviously about someone that is violent. When you have that kind of recipe, it's a recipe for disaster. So I think the judge did the right thing here because you can't continue to enable this type of violence.
[Baldwin:] Sunny Hostin, thank you. Coming up here, an Ohio man executed with a drug combination never used before. Today the state of Ohio said it took Dennis McGuire nearly 25 minutes to die. His kids call it torture. Now that family is filing a lawsuit to stop all executions in Ohio next hour. We will look at how their case could impact death penalty in the U.S.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Of course, it's good to hear that, but it seems like nothing's ever that easy.
[Evan Perez, Cnn Justice Reporter:] Nothing's ever that easy, and especially because this is such a reclusive country. They don't travel outside the country. One of the ways that you sometimes can sanction is to say their military leaders or anybody from Bureau 121, anybody who has a ties to this, whenever they go on vacation somewhere, well, we're going to grab them. Well, that doesn't happen here. This is a country that doesn't really let its citizens go anywhere. So, it's very limited what we can do.
[Costello:] All right, Evan Perez, thanks so much. I appreciate it. As Sony's financial losses pile up, potentially reaching hundreds of millions of dollars, there's a jaw-dropping reality to consider. Sony has been through this nightmare before. In 2011 hackers launched a disastrous cyber-attack on Sony's play station network. At the time it was one of the biggest security breaches in history with tens of millions of customers exposed. Sony settled a lawsuit with gamers. So, why did Sony seemingly not learn from this very expensive lesson? Let's head to Tokyo and ask CNN's Will Ripley. Good morning, Will.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, Carol, yes. It was quite an alarming situation for Sony back in 2011. It was in April when it was announced that some 77 million play station users had their accounts compromised. They had to shut down the entire play station network for nearly a month. And then that same year there was also a hacking incident involving Sony pictures where another 150,000 people had their user names and passwords leaked out. But even after those debacles, Sony was still caught off guard, taken by complete surprise when this group, Guardians of Peace, was able to infiltrate their computer system earlier this year, steal an incredible amount of data. You're talking about e-mails, movie scripts, unfinished movies and movies that hadn't been released yet, that they posted on file sharing sites. They did all of this and they took control of Sony's computers. People showed up to work one day and found red skulls flashing on their computers with a list of all the things that have been stolen off those devices and then deleted. I went to a tech lab here in Tokyo today and asked did Sony do something wrong here? And what they told me is that this attack was so unprecedented in the United States that it would have been very difficult for almost any corporation to fully prepare. But they say what Sony could have done better, Carol, is monitor the leak as it was happening and perhaps stopped it before so much data was stolen.
[Costello:] Can you tell us a little more, too, about this Bureau 121, these cyber workers working within North Korea?
[Ripley:] So we know that these are people who are handpicked from the technical universities in Pyongyang, the smartest of the smart in a country that, by the way, from going there myself a few months ago, is full of a large number of very smart people who oftentimes aren't able to fulfill their potential within the system because every person's job is assigned to them. And it's remarkable the level of access that these 1800 people have, that they are allowed to not only surf the Internet, which is unheard of for most North Koreans who even haven't even heard of social media, never mind websites or the Internet, but these people, they're trained on how to conduct these cyber-attacks. And what North Korea, if they are, indeed, the ones behind this catastrophic hack, as the United States government believes, what they're finding is, is that this is a relatively inexpensive way to inflict a great amount of damage and fear on other countries. South Korea, they've attacked banks, they've attacked broadcasters. Now you see a major American corporation brought to its knees, pulling the release of a movie. This is unprecedented. And it could be, unfortunately, a sign of more trouble to come if there isn't some way to penalize this type of behavior.
[Costello:] All right, Will Ripley reporting live from Tokyo. Many thanks to you. Kim Jong-Un and his oppressed population may be forced to watch "The Interview" after all. The Human Rights Foundation plans to drop DVDs of the movie over North Korea using hydrogen balloons. The goal here to get North Koreans to see what's happening in the outside world. Sadly, though, watching such movies can mean death for North Koreans. So, let's talk about this. Thor Halvorssen is the president of the Human Rights Foundation. Welcome back. I'm glad you're here.
[Thor Halvorssen, President, Human Rights Foundation:] Thank you. Thank you for having me.
[Costello:] First of all, I'd like to get your reaction to Sony's decision to pull the movie, "The Interview."
[Halvorssen:] I believe, as someone who lives in a free society, that that is it's their right to do so. But it just shows the gutless cowardice. If the North Korean government now said we'd like you to turn over Seth Rogan, would they do that? If they'd said, we'd like you to change your programs. We want the following shows change. I mean it's blackmail. And it's really sad that Sony did not have the sense and the leadership to say, no, we're not going to do that. We live in a free country and we're not going to do that. There are terrorist attacks on the United States. There are people that say we don't like the way you live your life. We don't like the way you allow women to drive, we don't like the way that you allow gays and lesbians to have the lives that they do. Are we going to give up our freedoms because a bunch of people in a far-away land run by a crazy dictator say you shouldn't live this way? I think what Sony did is shameful actually, really shameful.
[Costello:] How do you think Kim Jong-Un is reacting this morning?
[Halvorssen:] Well, I think Jong-Un, what you have to see is, and what a lot of people missed is the reason why the North Korean government hates this film so much is not because it insults their dear leader. Their dear leader gets insulted all the time in the West and gets made fun of. What they're deathly afraid of is that the film is going to make it into the country. Because in the last ten years, there's been a significant development in the black market routes into the country. In the last ten years, North Korea has consumed and has enormous thirst for cultural artifacts like films and like TV shows. People inside North Korea, they know the risks they run. They know that they could get executed. They know that they can end up being arrested or tortured for watching these films, for watching TV shows, for having forbidden material. But they nonetheless are willing to run that risk and willing to take that material. And that is very, very scary for the Kims.
[Costello:] OK, so that brings us to your operation, that the dropping of DVD over North Korea using these hydrogen balloons. First of all, I'd like to show our viewers a picture of the balloons we're talking about. So, explain how this works. How and where do they launch?
[Halvorssen:] Well, we launch from the border, the Southern border with North Korea, and right by the river. The balloons are filled with hydrogen, and attached to the balloons are these enormous plastic bags. Inside the bags there are, for instance, hundreds of thousands of leaflets. These leaflets are made of plastic and they are quite durable and waterproof. The leaflets basically say you're being lied to, there's another life, there's another world outside. And they have all sorts of educational material in them. In addition, DVDs and thumb drives. We put thumb drives that have entire copies of Wikipedia, with thanks to Jimmy Wales we were able to raise the technology level here so that they can insert a thumb drive into a computer, and even though there's no Internet in North Korea because there is no Internet there. It's why it's known as the hermit kingdom. It's completely closed off. These thumb drives contain a full copy of Wikipedia. So, that's we put these in plastic bags. There's a timer on the bag. And the bag the fastener to the bag detonates and the bags open and they spill the contents.
[Costello:] So, people who help you with this operation have escaped North Korea. How did they tell you that this helps?
[Halvorssen:] Well, it's interesting, because obviously like in any defector situation, whether it's Cuban exiles in Miami or defectors from North Korea, people have different opinions about what works and what doesn't work. We take the approach that we should go on all levels trying to use smuggling routes, trying to use radio and at the same time trying to use balloons. Many of the people you actually see in those photographs received a brochure, received a leaflet and realized that they had been lied to or started questioning what their lives were like. And that's really the effectiveness of the balloons can be measured by anecdotal evidence for certain.
[Costello:] And I must ask you this, because we know that if a North Korean is caught watching an American movie, a western film, they might face prison, they might face death. Is it worth it?
[Halvorssen:] Well, consider the following: there are 25 million North Koreans. Of those, a good 10 million of them have access to something from the outside, whether it's a transistor radio, a DVD player, a cell phone. So they do have a thirst for this. The government, of course, knows that they can't control everyone. So they engage in these very public ways of executing people or saying that people who allow this into their country are besmirching the culture of North Korea. The reality is that the regime has suffered so much in terms of its waste and corruption that it's only a matter of time before more and more ideas cause the downfall of the regime. The North Korean regime will not fall because of missiles or tanks. The North Korean regime will fall because of the power of ideas. And we're just trying in a very small way to assist and to accelerate the education of North Korean people. They want it. They're willing to pay for these things in the black market. So we're certainly not going to stop regardless of their threats. They've threatened us on multiple occasions with theft, with bombing, with slitting our throats. We're certainly not going to stop.
[Costello:] Thor Halvorssen, thank you. I appreciate you being here this morning.
[Halvorssen:] Thank you. Thank you for having me.
[Costello:] More breaking news out of Wall Street. Opening bell rang 30 minutes ago, and yes, the Dow continues to skyrocket. Let's bring in CNN money correspondent Cristina Alesci to tell us more.
[Cristina Alesci, Cnn Correspondent:] Now, we have got a confluence of factors that's just driving stocks first and foremost, it's the Fed. Yesterday it says it's going to keep these easy money going for a longer than a lot of investors anticipated. Wall Street loves that. Than you have a bevy of economic data coming out saying that looking like the economy is actually getting better. Jobless claims were lower than expected. Consumer confidence was higher. So, of course, that's going to be positive. Then you have oil coming back just a little bit. And that's helping some of the energy producers get a boost here. And then we can't discount the Santa Rally. December is a pretty strong month historically for stocks. So, you've got all of these factors going on, really boosting the stock markets really around the world today.
[Costello:] We are up like, 261 points.
[Alesci:] Yes.
[Costello:] I know you'll keep an eye on it for us. Thank you.
[Alesci:] It will keep going. I hope so. Cristina, thanks so much. Still to come in the "NEWSROOM," secret diplomacy and back room deals, it all led to the emotional homecoming of Alan Gross. Now we get a sneak peek inside the closed door meetings of the United States and Cuba, moving in a different direction.

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[Zain Asher, Cnn Anchor:] And I'm Zain Asher. Let's give you your headlines. New York Police say they think they are closing in on escaped killers, Richard Matt and David Sweat. Joyce Mitchell admits to smuggling saw blades in to the men inside of frozen hamburger meat and she allegedly convinced guards to do favors for inmates by bringing the prison employees baked goods.
[Vause:] WikiLeaks is accusing the U.S. National Security Agency of spying on three French presidents. France's current president has called a meeting with his defense council to discuss the allegations. The U.S. official said it is not targeting President Francois Hollande but will conduct surveillance if there is a need.
[Asher:] A heat wave in Pakistan has killed over 700 people. It includes Karachi, which is the country's biggest city. It is during Ramadan with most abstaining from food and water during the day.
[Vause:] Four new cases of the MERS virus in South Korea. The total is at 178. The outbreak is the largest outside of Saudi Arabia where the virus was discovered. 27 people have died. More than 3,000 remain under quarantine.
[Asher:] In the U.S., the debate over the Confederate flag issue is affecting big business. Major U.S. retailers are taking a stand on the debate over the flag in the wake of the church shooting, the mass murders in South Carolina.
[Vause:] The biggest retailer of them all, Walmart is one of several retailers to ban sales of merchandise which features the rebel banner saying it has no intention of offending customers. The Walmart CEO further explained his decision to "CNN Money's. Cristina Alesci"
[Doug Mcmillon, Ceo, Walmart:] We just don't want to sell products that makes anyone feel uncomfortable. We felt like that was the case. This is the right thing to do.
[Cristina Alesci, Cnn Money Correspondent:] The Confederate flag has been a long-standing symbol of racism. Why do you think it took so long to make this decision? Why do you think it took Walmart so long to make this decision?
[Mcmillon:] This is one of those that hadn't been keyed up for a while, obviously, in this environment awareness changes. It is hard to manage all of these items, and from time to time, we are going to find things we need to discontinue.
[Alesci:] Were you shocked to see that merchandise on Walmart?
[Mcmillon:] I was surprised. Yeah.
[Alesci:] What was your reaction?
[Mcmillon:] Let's not sell it.
[Asher:] Walmart CEO Doug McMillon there. Hillary Clinton is also weighing in on the Confederate flag debate. During an event in Missouri, she commended the U.S. retailers' decision to remove the Confederate flag merchandise.
[Vause:] She voiced support to remove the flag from the grounds of the South Carolina state capital.
[Hillary Clinton, , Former Secretary Of State & Presidential Candidate:] Thank you.
[Clinton:] Recognizing it as a symbol of our nation's racist past that has no place in our present or our future, it shouldn't fly there. It shouldn't fly anywhere.
[Vause:] Several states flew the Confederate flag more than 150 years ago in a war fought to preserve slavery. To this very day, many people still don't want to see that banner go away.
[Asher:] CNN's Ed Lavandera caught up with one man with a very blunt view of his own.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] There's no question the Confederate flag symbol is deeply embedded in some parts of southern culture. As you have seen, a growing chorus of people calling for the flag to disappear. But in recent days, we saw today firsthand the intensity and anger this issue can spark.
[Unidentified Confederate Flag Supporter:] Are we on your
[Lavandera:] This is what happened when we tried to shoot video at a store in South Carolina selling Confederate flag memorabilia. This man, who refused to identify himself, wanted to make sure we couldn't show you the sign announcing three shirts for $25. He threw in an obscenity laced tirade for free.
[Unidentified Confederate Flag Supporter:] People come together in peace
[Lavandera:] It didn't end there. The man followed us and tried to get in the way of us shooting other pictures around town. With so much focus on the Confederate flag, tempers and passions are heated once again over this divisive symbol. Since the murders of nine African-Americans at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, the calls to bring down the Confederate flag have largely focused on the one flying on the state capital grounds. But Confederate imagery is big business. Found in countless stores, shops and front yards across the south. Confederate flag symbols are emblazoned on everything you can imagine, bumper stickers, bikinis, belt buckles, but buying these items might be getting tougher. Amazon, eBay, Walmart and Sears are banning the sale of the merchandise.
[Randy Burbage, Spokesman, Sons Of Confederate Veterans:] This is really a different type of
[Lavandera:] Randy Burbage keeps this in his office. He is a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans. He says 57 of his ancestors fought in the Civil War, 16 died in battle. For him, the Confederate battle flag is a family symbol of honor and sacrifice.
[Bergage:] Once the flag is removed, it will start down a slippery slope and then there will be the monument will be called to be removed from state house grounds, and then the next thing will be street names and building names which has already begun. Complete eradication to eliminate all Confederate history.
[Lavandera:] Despite the calls for Confederate symbols to come down, this is a reminder that the issue won't go away without a fight. Ed Lavandera, CNN, Charleston, South Carolina.
[Vause:] U.S. officials say the government is changing the policy on negotiating with hostage takers. These are some of the Americans who have been detained while they were abroad. Family will be allowed to try to pay ransom for the release of their relatives. The government will directly negotiate but will not pay the actual ransom. The Obama administration has been criticized by some families who say they were threatened with prosecution if they tried to raise money to pay the ransoms. The fees increased when the government exchanged five Taliban detainees for the release of Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. A short break here. When we come back, hard labor for life. That's what two men are facing accused of spying in North Korea. A live report from Seoul in just a moment.

[Costello:] This morning, the U.S. is ramping up support to Iraq where violent clashes threaten to tear that country apart. On Monday, Vice President Joe Biden called Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to express his concern. Also, the White House says it will speed up delivery of military equipment to help with the efforts but will not put U.S. boots on the ground. Cities like Fallujah and Ramadi, once battlegrounds for U.S. troops are now the site of bloody clashes between the Iraqi army and al Qaeda-linked militants. This new CNN video shows armed Sunni tribes men who have turned against the government holding positions inside Fallujah. CNN senior international correspondent Nic Robertson has more for you.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Iraqi security forces under attack. A soldier in the dirt wounded at the road side. Amid the chaos, there's calls for backup. Just half an hour's drive west of Iraq's capital, in the Anbar province, Sunnis are turning on the Shia-dominated government. "We will fight to all those connected to this Sectarian government," this tribesman shouts. Over the weekend, fighting flared in the two main cities, Ramadi and Fallujah. Iraq's government responded with troops and air strikes against what it calls al Qaeda terrorists. Secretary of State John Kerry promised support but no troops.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] We're not contemplating putting boots on the ground. This is their fight. We're going to help them in their fight. But how much of this fight is political conflict? The country minority marginalized by the majority and how much is resurgent al Qaeda is unclear? For sure al Qaeda is exploiting Sunni anger under the name ISIS, Islamic State of Iraq in Syria, former al Qaeda in Iraq, they've been boasting their success in al Anbar recently, with propaganda videos like this, not to mention making significant territorial gains in neighboring Syria, attracting thousands of foreign fighters. Whatever the causes, Iraq's prime minister is accusing al Anbar Sunnis of siding with al Qaeda, issuing an ultimatum, put down your guns, or face the Army.
[Nouri Al-maliki, Iraqi Prime Minister:] I'm calling on those who are deluding themselves to consider. They have been involved without knowing in supporting al Qaeda projects.
[Robertson:] Fallujah has a history of resistance. In a massive offensive in 2004, U.S. forces tried unsuccessfully to completely crush the city's insurgents. The group reemerged, al Qaeda got a hold. It was only in 2007 when al Anbar's tribes joined U.S. forces and al Qaeda was finally pushed out. Today, this family flees al Anbar and the government seemed poised for a major offensive. The stakes for stability and potential for civil war seem as high as they've ever been. Nic Robertson, CNN, Jerusalem.
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[Costello:] I'm telling you, this is something else. JPMorgan will pay out $1.7 billion. It's settlement reached with the government, and it's based on Madoff and JP's role in that financial scandal. Christine Romans is in New York covering story. One-point-seven billion dollars?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] It's a lot of money. And you remember, Bernie Madoff was a guy who was the Wall Street scam artist really who is now in prison for a very long term. He will die in prison. He basically destroyed the lives of all kinds of investors who put their money with him there he is. Just before the financial crisis really, really exploded, this was the guy who started to it unraveled that his whole empire was a fake. He had never actually been trading, and he had been doing business with legitimate banks, mutual funds, hedge funds around the world and really no one knew that he was a total scam. And now, JPMorgan, one of those banks, one of those entities that did business with Bernie Madoff, agreeing to pay $1.7 billion to settle the claims against that bank.
[Costello:] Well, wait. Does that mean JPMorgan knew or turned, you know, a blind eye? Why?

[Laurie Segall, Cnn Correspondent:] Broken windows, widespread graffiti, stolen family treasures, 300 high schoolers broke into former NFL player, Ryan Holloway's 200-acre estate. They threw a party while he was away, but Holloway watched it unfold live on Twitter. [on camera]: So you were on vacation in Florida and your home was being vandalized. People were partying in your home and you watched it all unfold online, right?
[Brian Holloway, Former Nfl Player:] Sure. I was following the tweets and you could see the conversation go from this is the greatest party ever. I can't believe we broke in here, look at all these people drinking, this is amazing. Look at her, she drank too much. Look, we can't even wake her will up, who cares. To my God, the cops are here. Run to the woods and get rid of all the drugs.
[Segall:] It's $20,000 worth of damage.
[Holloway:] You know, the carpets were soaked, I walked on them and they would squish like a sponge, and could you could tell from the smell in the room. I mean, it's beer, liquor, vomit, urine, and all that went down.
[Segall:] Holloway took matters into his own hands, publicly posting the names and tweets online, a call for parents to take note.
[Holloway:] What was going on in these 300 kids' minds and how this made sense, how did we get so far off track. Where are we now? And what do we do to get moving in the right direction.
[Segall:] Some of the kids that broke in new Brian's son growing up.
[Brian Holloway Jr:] A lot of people are saying please take my picture off like I don't deserve this, I need to go to college. But the thing is, we offered them a chance to come and redeem themselves the next day, only one student showed up to help clean up the mess.
[Segall:] But the former NFL player feels like it's time it for a digital wake-up call.
[Holloway:] This is happening right now. I'm telling you right now there are kids across this country are planning the same sort of flash party and they're tweeting and communicating about it right now. And it's going to go down tomorrow. I assure you and so this is a shout out to all those other parents and community member, you need to it take a good look at this and determine how you're going to go about dealing with this issue.
[Segall:] Laurie Segall, CNN Money, New York.
[Burnett:] We're rooting for him because he is absolutely right. Still to come, has the pope gone too far? The Holy Father makes some strong comments today and conservative Catholics are fighting back hard. Plus a controversy paradox, showing sympathy for those with PTSD or making security clearance tougher to obtain. Is that choice making America unsafe? And then this car chase comes to a violent he said, but the crime did not stop there. And the shout out tonight, an attempted theft thwarted. We love this. A 75-year-old woman was nearly knocked to the ground after her purse was stolen. Fortunately, the suspect didn't get very far. A local delivery man stopped the suspect, other men jumped him, holding him up the police could arrive. Shout out goes to those men for stepping in and helping somebody who needed it.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Wolf, thank you. Hi there. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Great to be with you on this Tuesday. We have major breaking news to pass along to you right now. The continuous violence in the Mideast has thus far remained contained within the region, but its impact is starting to spread. Here's what we know at this hour. The FAA has just issued a notice to all U.S. airlines telling carriers that they are prohibited from flying into Israel's main airport in Tel Aviv. You have the German carrier Lufthansa also suspending flights, and KLM has canceled a flight for later today. Here's the backdrop. All of this coming after word that a rocket, or at least debris associated with a rocket, has landed near Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport causing major damage to a home. After that attack, three different U.S. carriers, Delta, United, and U.S. Airways suspended flights to Israel on their own even before the FAA issued its notice. So we have CNN's Atika Shubert. She is standing by for us live, here she is, at Ben Gurion Airport. Also, our aviation correspondent, Richard Quest, is standing by for us as well. And, Richard, I'll get to you in just a moment. But, Atika, since you are there, let's begin with you and tell me if you're seeing, what you're hearing, flights coming and going or not at all?
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] No, no, no, we've seen plenty of flights coming and going. The airport seems to be operating as normal. But having said that, just a few seconds ago, before we were actually live, the sirens went off, there was a red alert and we actually saw a rocket interception in the air just above the airport, and then just a few seconds later, a plane taking off. And so that perhaps goes to show the reality here that the airport is dealing with. Rockets are landing and are being intercepted right above the airport. In fact, that rocket that you mentioned earlier landed just a mile from here. We are in the town of Yahood, where that home was destroyed by a rocket. So this is the environment that the planes are flying in and out of and this is why the FAA has put out that notice not to fly in or out of this airport for the next 24 hours.
[Baldwin:] Atika, let me just stay with you, just given what you have just reported, that you yourself have you've seen, you know, this rocket being intercepted just over Ben Gurion. I'm curious what the airport itself has said in the wake of this decision by multiple air carriers.
[Shubert:] Well, what we heard is a statement from Israel's transportation minister, Yisrael Katz, criticizing the airlines for diverting their flights, telling them basically that by doing this they are, quote, "offering a prized terrorist." So as far as Israel is concerned, they see this as an overreaction. I mean you have to put this into perspective. If Tel Aviv, which is really the only major airport Israel has, starts to see all this massive cancellations, it will be a huge blow for Israel. We're talking about 14 million passengers a year that come through here. So this would be a significant thing if all of a sudden all these start flights flights start canceling.
[Baldwin:] Richard Quest, let me just pose that to you, to Atika's point, about, you know, Israel saying that this is an overreaction. Do you think it's an overreaction?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] Whether it is or not it doesn't matter because, Brooke, the reality is that following on from MH17, then the airlines have no choice. MH17 showed that when the country involved, in that case Ukraine, doesn't take responsibility for closing the air space and ICAO doesn't move in and do it for them, then the airlines are left with no other choice. It's unsatisfactory. I was just talking, as you heard on Wolf's program a second ago, we were just talking to the head of Malaysia Airlines, the chief operating officer, and he makes the point, they're not intelligence agencies. They have to go on the best advice. Now, you have three of the world's largest airlines, Delta, United, U.S. American. When they choose to say, we're not flying, rightly or wrongly, when the FAA says we're prohibiting it, when Norwegian, Air France, Lufthansa Group, which includes Austria and Swiss, when all those airlines say, we're not flying, whether rightly or wrongly, you've got to take that seriously. And that's something that frankly the Israeli transport authorities, rather than saying you're giving a prize to the terrorists, need to be asking whether the air space is safe.
[Baldwin:] Richard Quest, this has just me thinking bigger picture as we've been reporting on the downed MH17 over Ukraine or, you know, Israel's perspective that it's overreaction, but, you know, these airlines going based upon this intelligence that they should and our own reporter there reporting, you know, this rocket intercepted over her head, over Ben Gurion Airport. How will this change how we fly from here on out?
[Quest:] Oh, it's going to have a dramatic change over time because ICAO, IATA, the airlines, they're going to have to rethink, first of all, any conflict zone. The opportunity for surface-to-air missiles has now rewritten this this theory. But also, most crucially, the government the airlines themselves are going to have to basically put the pressure on you don't have to hit the airline or the plane. You only have to hit the runway. You only have to create a threat. You only have to create the perception. This is about perception. And I accept the Israeli point that there may be no real risk, but as long as the perception, you need to deal with that.
[Baldwin:] Richard Quest, thank you. Atika Shubert, thank you for us. Pivoting to the other huge story we're following for you this afternoon, this grim arrival of both human remains and evidence from the downing of that flight, MH17, in eastern Ukraine. The so-called morgue train, here it is, delivering many of the victims to relative safety in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. The remains are being held in a factory awaiting flight then on to the Netherlands. Here's what else we know. Also aboard this train were the plane's black boxes, the flight data and cockpit voice recorders that were handed over by the pro-Russian rebels who controlled that crash site. And we now have a chilling new image from the Pentagon. It depicts the Malaysian airliners flight path, seen on the left side of your screen in yellow, OK. The path of the surface-to-air missile. That's what you see in green. The point of impact and the spot where the plane exploded as it hit the ground. President Barack Obama, who signed a condolence book earlier today at the embassy of the Netherlands, pressuring Vladimir Putin to use his power to get these rebels to back off. Putin responding to the calls from Moscow.
[Vladimir Putin, Russian President:] Concerning the event linked to the horrible tragedy which occurred in the sky above Donetsk, we, of course, again, express our condolences to all families of the victims. Of course it is a tragedy. Russia will do everything it can for a thorough, comprehensive, deep, and transparent investigation. We are being called upon to influence the separatists in the southeast. Everything that is within our power, I repeat, we will, of course, do.
[Baldwin:] Joining me now on the phone from Kharkiv, Ukraine, Nick Paton Walsh, our senior international correspondent. Nick, let's begin with this moving morgue, this train. Where are the remains now?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] The remains are now in the factory where which is close to the railway station where they pulled up to and slowly being worked through by Dutch officials and other international experts and Ukrainian officials trying to get them in a condition where they can at least be put in coffins and then flown back to Amsterdam. Brooke, I should tell you, I've just come out of a press conference been given by Ukrainian officials with the head of the Dutch delegation standing behind them. And some confusion
[Baldwin:] Right, as you're pointing out, 200. Do the quick math and that's 98 victims, 98 bodies still unaccounted for and presumably back in eastern Ukraine at that crash site. Let me ask also you, Nick, about the black boxes, the analysis of the black box data. Who will be taking custody from here on out?
[Walsh:] The black boxes have been still in the territory of Ukraine.
[Baldwin:] The big question is, were they tampered with, how much would that affect the investigation? Nick Paton Walsh on the phone. Thank you so much, Nick. And just ahead, we're also seeing today these new photographs could reveal the key evidence of what brought down Flight 17. What these small holes tell investigators about those final moments for those 298 passengers on board the plane. Also, yachts and mansions and professional sports teams. One columnist says he knows how to hit Vladimir Putin where it hurts. The regime's dirty money. And I'll speak live with a reporter who says she was detained by pro- Russian rebels while investigating the crash site. Here what happens as she sat on a bench surrounded by gunmen deciding her fate. Stay right here. You're watching CNN's special live coverage.

[Burnett:] Breaking news: CNN has learned Donald Sterling has agreed to sell the L.A. Clippers for $2 billion. It was only days ago that Sterling announced he was suing the NBA for more than a billion dollars. Today, Sterling reportedly telling a local news outlet he is ready to move on from the team. He feels fabulous. According to that report, Sterling's lawyer says all disputes have been resolved. The deal was made by his wife Shelly with former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. It still has to be approved by the NBA's board of governors. He bought that team for 13 million bucks. Well, 12-year-old girl allegedly stabbed 19 times by her two friends. And police now say the fictional character "Slenderman" could have been the inspiration. Miguel Marquez is OUTFRONT with the latest on how the line between fantasy and reality crossed with these two girls.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] The mug shots of 12- year-old Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier, pictures of innocence. But their actions say authorities beyond belief.
[Chief Russell Jack, Waukesha Police Department:] I have not seen a crime of this nature, especially when you take into account it was 12- year-old girls stabbing 19 times and leaving the victim for dead.
[Marquez:] The plan, the attack, the motive, all to please the fictitious horror character "Slenderman". You may not know him, but your kids just might. Created in 2009 in an online contest, the character who preys on children has taken on a life of its own, with thousands of pictures, videos and stories posted online. A virtual world, those obsessed with the macabre can access. But 12-year-olds making the leap from fiction to reality? [on camera]: What affect does this have on students in general there?
[Todd Gray, Superintendent, Waukesha School District:] I think students and parents, there is a certain amount of fear. Are things going to be OK? Are students safe? And I can tell you, we do have a very safe school.
[Marquez:] Gray, who oversees the school the victim and her alleged perpetrators attend, says some parents have kept their kids home. Other children have sought counseling in at the school in dealing with the emotion of the three young classmates involved in such a tragic and frightful incident.
[Gray:] I have never witnessed anything like this in my 30 years of administration. This is the most horrific thing I've had to deal with.
[Marquez:] The school has now for now banned the Creepy Pasta Web site, from all its computers and iPads pending a review. It's also urging parents to monitor what their kids are accessing online and to talk about it. Now, the good news, if there is any good news in this is that the victim has now been upgraded to stable at the hospital here. We understand that she is walking just a little bit and talking, getting a little better by the day. The next hearing for the accused is coming up next Wednesday Erin. All right, thank you very much, Miguel. It's just a bizarre story. Still to come, at the height of the Cold War, secret underground bunker was built to keep American leaders safe. And tonight, you are going to go inside. And the president, his workout routine caught on camera. What are those, 10? What are those weights? Come on, someone tell me. All right. We'll be right back.

[Blitzer:] Once again, we're expecting to hear from the attorney general of the United States, Eric Holder, momentarily on the George Zimmerman verdict. We'll have live coverage of that. As we await the attorney general, let's bring in our legal analyst, Sunny Hostin, Mark Nejame. Sunny, you're a former federal prosecutor. Here's a question that I have about what happened in Florida. Would it have made would it have made any difference if the state, if the prosecutors in Sanford, Florida, had simply gone after George Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge as opposed to the much more serious second-degree murder charge?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] You know, I don't think that it would have made a difference, Wolf. Bottom line is that they had that charge. The jury had that charge in front of them. I think that, quite frankly, there was enough evidence to support a second-degree murder charge, having been in the courtroom every single day. There was always enough evidence of that. The only issue I think was whether or not the jury would believe a claim of self-defense. Now, a claim of self-defense is a defense not only to second-degree murder, but also to manslaughter. And so to suggest that this prosecution team somehow overcharged I think doesn't really reconcile with the law. Clearly there was enough evidence for second-degree murder here.
[Blitzer:] Mark, you made an interesting point a little while ago about George Zimmerman and his ability potentially to file a lawsuit, to get some money, if you will. He's already filed one, I take it, against another network for defaming allegedly defaming him. Does he have other lawsuits that he potentially could file to collect damages?
[Mark Nejame, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Not that I see. I think his biggest claim is against the network. If he is sued on a wrongful death claim, there is a possibility, depending upon what unfolds during the course of the case, that he could recover expenses, out of pocket expenses. Now, you're going to see the defense go ahead and request from the state of Florida a reimbursement for their expenses. Their out-of- pocket expenses. They're not entitled to attorneys' fees. But when there's an acquittal, they are entitled to get back the money that was used for certain expenses and costs, out of pocket expenses, such as experts, depositions, those types of things. But could we get to a second about the overcharging or would that be OK to respond to where you came from with Sunny on that?
[Blitzer:] Very quickly. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[Nejame:] Yes. Of course they overcharged. What you're seeing the prosecution do now is twisting.
[Blitzer:] But would it have made any difference, Mark, if they would have just come in with a manslaughter charge as opposed to the second- degree murder? Would the outcome have been any different?
[Nejame:] Absolutely. Simply
[Blitzer:] Mark, stand by. Sunny, stand by as well. We've got a special guest I want to bring in. The push is clearly on for a federal prosecution of George Zimmerman. Thousands of people have signed a petition on the White House website calling for a civil rights prosecution of George Zimmerman by the United States Department of Justice because of the death of Trayvon Martin. Once again, we're standing by to hear from the attorney general. He's getting ready to speak. But will the Justice Department follow that advice? Marc Morial is the president of the National Urban League. He's the former mayor of New Orleans. He's a good friend of ours. Marc, thanks very much for coming on.
[Marc Morial, President, National Urban League:] Thanks, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Now you're a lawyer. You grew up in a city where there were serious race issues that have always been out there over many, many years. So do you believe realistically the attorney general, Eric Holder, has enough to file a civil rights suit, a charge against George Zimmerman?
[Morial:] What I what I would say is based on what I think the attorney general will say today, that he has committed to going forward with the investigation. And I think it's easy for us to say there are are not there is or is not enough evidence. But, Wolf, one of the things that a federal investigation may in fact yield is additional evidence and additional take on the existing evidence that was uncovered in connection with this case. And I do believe there's sufficient grounds when you look at all the circumstances for a charge that George Zimmerman engaged in a hate crime, number one, or number two, in actions which violated the civil rights of Trayvon Martin. Trayvon had the right to be on that street. He had a right to traverse that neighborhood. It was George Zimmerman who instigated instigated the confrontation which eventually led to Trayvon Martin's death. So what I would do is applaud the idea that the Justice Department is going to proceed. And I would say to listeners, the idea that the Justice Department would conduct a civil rights review after the state court proceedings is not unusual. In the Rodney King incident that occurred. In many other incidents this, in fact, has occurred. So I would encourage people not to be too fast, too quick to say whether or not civil rights charges can be sustained, but to allow this process to proceed in an orderly way. I think that's what the attorney general has committed to.
[Blitzer:] Can you stick around, Marc, and join us because we're anxious to hear what the attorney general has to say. I'd be curious, I'd be very anxious to get your reaction as well. I don't know if you can, but if you can, we'd like you to stick around.
[Morial:] Yes, we'll stay, Wolf. I may have to stop off and come back, but I'll stay.
[Blitzer:] All right, thanks very much, the former mayor of New Orleans.
[Morial:] Thanks, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] The president of the National Urban League.

[Amanpour:] Welcome back to the program. So what really happened the night the world's most wanted terrorist was caught and killed? And how much did Pakistan know about Osama bin Laden's whereabouts? It was almost exactly four years ago. Those questions are once again in the spotlight after an article this weekend by the often controversial journalist, Seymour Hersh. At the center of it all is the world's most powerful spy organization, the Central Intelligence Agency, and one of its most experienced officers, Deputy Director Michael Morell, has just stepped down after serving six presidents. He was at President Bush's side in that Florida classroom when news of the September 11th attack started to come in. His new book on America's intelligence and security is called, "The Great War of Our Time." Osama may be dead, but that war continues against ISIS now. And Michael Morell joins me live from New York. Welcome to the program.
[Michael Morell, Former Deputy Director, Cia:] Christiane, it's great to be on your program.
[Amanpour:] I wonder whether you ever thought the killing of Osama bin Laden four years later would raise such controversy. And I want to ask you because I know that publicly you've said that what Seymour Hersh says is not true. But I would like to ask you how did you think that the Pakistanis or the ISI or low-level officers may have known about it? You say in your book that you said to the ISI chief, Ahmed Shuja Pasha, that "Americans find it hard to believe that no one in your Abbottabad detachment or in the Abbottabad police ever questioned what was going on in that compound." That's where OBL was.
[Morell:] Correct. So Christiane, I have confidence, very high confidence, 95 percent, 99 percent confidence that the Pakistani government did not know that he was there, that Pasha didn't know, that General Kayani, the chief of staff, didn't know. But I find it very difficult to believe that there wasn't somebody at a local level who was protecting him in some way, somebody with radical leanings. I find it hard to believe that that didn't happen. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't somebody who looked at that compound and said what is going on in there?
[Amanpour:] Before I get to "The New York Times" Carlotta Gall, who had additional information, did you find it bizarre that after explosions and 40 minutes on the ground, the SEALs were uninterrupted and the Pakistanis didn't come until after they had left?
[Morell:] So the Pakistanis who did not know about this and I can guarantee you, Christiane, about that; they did not know about this the Pakistanis were incredibly embarrassed and I know this because they talked to me about it and I talk about this in the book. The Pakistanis were embarrassed by our intelligence that we were capable of finding him in their country and they weren't and they were horribly embarrassed by the fact that we were able fly hundreds of miles into their territory and be on the ground and they couldn't they didn't even know about it until some time into the raid. So they were terribly embarrassed by all of that, didn't say a lot about their intelligence capabilities and their military capabilities. And Christiane, one of the things that I think is going on here is that at the end of the day I think the Pakistanis are putting out propaganda that they knew about this in order to save face on these two things that they're terribly embarrassed about and I think that's what Seymour Hersh picked up on.
[Amanpour:] And what about Carlotta Gall, who, after all, has reported from that area for so long and there's a big "New York Times" article today in which she basically said that some of what Seymour Hersh put out matches her reporting. For instance, she says, "I learned from a high-level member of the Pakistani intelligence service that the ISI had been hiding bin Laden and ran a desk specifically to handle him as an intelligence agent." And she says, "It was indeed a Pakistani army brigadier" and she names him, Osman Khaled "who told the CIA where bin Laden was hiding with the knowledge and protection of the
[Isi." Morell:] So I have no doubts that a Pakistani official told her those things. But they are not true. Again, I think it's Pakistani propaganda designed to make the Pakistanis look better here. They've been peddling this ever since the bin Laden raid and people have now picked it up and people are now talking about it. But Christiane, I was in every meeting at CIA; I was in every meeting in the White House Situation Room. I was sent to Pakistan to smooth over relations with the when they were so angry with us after the raid. I can guarantee you that the Pakistanis did not know about this. They didn't know he was there. They didn't know he was coming. And they did not give us any information that led us to find Osama bin Laden.
[Amanpour:] Why do you think this American source then told all this to Seymour Hersh?
[Morell:] So that's the one piece that I have a hard time thinking through. It must be that this American source is somehow getting information from Pakistan and passing it on to Seymour Hersh. That's the only thing that I can conclude. But this person claims to have been at the center of the discussions in the U.S. government about this operation and he was not in the meetings that I was in, I guarantee you that.
[Amanpour:] So let's revert back to the operation to get him and the plan to get Osama bin Laden. You write in your book that Vice President Biden and General Cartwright were against it but that Leon Panetta, Defense Secretary or was he CIA chief at the time? I don't remember. He said to the American
[Morell:] He was CIA chief.
[Amanpour:] still CIA chief he said to President Obama, as you describe it, he put the American people argument to President Obama. Describe that tension between those who wanted and those who didn't.
[Morell:] I think the so for Vice President Biden, I think the issue was is the intelligence good enough to take this risk with our troops. And that was his fundamental question. For General Cartwright, he thought that there was a better way. He thought that we should take essentially a drone strike against an individual who was pacing around the compound regularly who we thought to be Osama bin Laden. So General Cartwright wanted to conduct an operation, just a different one. The vice president wanted to wait for more intelligence. The argument that Leon Panetta made, very powerfully, was if the American people know what we know and I remember to this day him saying this if the American people know what we know, they would want us to act. They would expect us to act. And I think that was a powerful argument around the table.
[Amanpour:] Let me move on to the Arab Spring, because all of this is all part of a big part, people hoped that when Osama bin Laden was caught and the whole idea of democracy coming to the Arab world would actually have a much better effect than it's had. And the CIA I mean, you say that part of the reason you got all that so wrong was that you were relying on the strong men themselves for intelligence. You say, "We failed because to a large extent we were relying on a handful of strong leaders in the countries of concern to help us understand what was going on in the Arab street." But isn't that a basic mistake? Because on the one hand, these leaders are not in touch with their people. That's why there was a revolution. And yet you went to these very leaders to figure out what their people knew.
[Morell:] Sure, Christiane. There were two key analytic judgments. The first was we had been warning for years that pressures were building in the Middle East, social pressures, economic pressures, political pressures for change. And we'd been warning about that. What we weren't able to do is tell the president, Mr. President, these pressures we've been talking about, they're building to the point of boiling over. We didn't do that. We weren't able to call the tipping point. The other judgment and I think we should have been, right. I think we should have been and I think you're right. The other judgment we made was in the immediate beginning of the Arab Spring, we said we think this is going to undercut Al Qaeda. We think this is going to undercut their narrative that it takes violence to bring political change. And that turned out to be wrong. In fact, I have a chapter called Al Qaeda Spring, right. The Arab Spring was really a spring for Al Qaeda. And it was a spring for Al Qaeda in two ways. It really benefited them on the one hand because it destroyed institutions that were capable of keeping a handle on them. Best example, Libya, where the intelligence service and the security service fell apart and militants were able to run wild. And the other thing it did was undercut the willingness of some Arab countries to take on extremism. Best example, President Morsi's Egypt, where the capabilities were there but the officers that I dealt with every day in Egypt, who used to be pretty tough on terrorism didn't think they had political cover anymore and eased up and when they did that, Al Qaeda came back to Egypt for the first time in 25 years.
[Amanpour:] And that is actually a major takeaway from your book, that is your sort of big global analysis that Al Qaeda is back; it's in the form of ISIS now and what then is your analysis about how long and how difficult the struggle will be? You just heard me talk to General Breedlove about training. Most people say it's a little and it's too late. But what is your analysis of how long it's going to take to defeat ISIS? And what you fear they might do?
[Morell:] Christiane, I have a great deal of confidence that what we're doing on the Iraq side of the border is working. We have taken back about 25 percent of the territory that ISIS took during its blitzkrieg. And it's going to be a slow process. And fortunately the Iranians are in there helping us. But we are going to slowly take that territory back. So I'm confident in our Iraqi strategy. We have air power and we have ground troops in the form of the Iraqi military, the Kurdish military and Iranian trained Shia militia. But on the Syrian side of the border, I don't have a lot of confidence that our strategy is going to work. It's not that it's too late, Christiane, it's that it's too little. We need to train ground troops in very large numbers if we're going to be able to take back territory from ISIS and Syria. And what I fear is that we're going to successful in Iraq; we're going to have a hammer in Iraq but no anvil in Syria. So the ISIS guys are just going to go across the border into Syria and they're going to have a safe haven in Eastern Syria, where they're going to be able to continue to plot and that plotting will include plotting against us.
[Amanpour:] Finally, let me ask you to go all the way back to the first Gulf War. I covered it and I was stunned by one of the power grabs that sort of leapt out at me that you quote, you basically quote Saddam Hussein, saying, "Saddam in essence said, 'Look, if you guys did not want me to go into Kuwait" and he's talking about August of 1990 "why didn't you tell me you would deploy 500,000 troops, six carrier battle groups, 1,400 combat aircraft and a coalition of 32 countries? "I am not crazy. If you had simple told me, I would not have gone into Kuwait." Did nobody tell him?
[Morell:] So nobody told him that. This is something that he said to his debriefers after we caught him in Iraq. One of the lessons of my 33 years, Christiane, and you I'm sure you know this, too is that there are a lot of misperceptions in international relations. There's a lot of miscommunication. And I think that that was one of the lessons here. If he had known how we were going to respond, he would not have done it.
[Amanpour:] Michael Morell, really fascinating. Thank you so much for joining me tonight.
[Morell:] Great to be with you.
[Amanpour:] Thank you. And over at the Vatican now, a bowl of diplomatic decision, Pope Francis' Catholic Church today has concluded a treaty that recognizes Palestinian statehood. This follows what the British, the French and the Swedish parliaments have done in the past year. But this packs a moral punch as well as it comes from the head of the world's 1 billion Catholics. And when we come back we travel to Liberia for the mother of all after- parties imagine that after this.

[Costello:] Big box stores like Walmart are starting to lose a bit of their luster. Wall Street king maker Goldman Sachs downgraded Walmart to neutral this month, saying customers are moving away from the retail giant and heading online or to smaller stores. And Walmart isn't alone in its struggles. The mega retailer's stock is down more than 5 percent this year. Target? Target's down more than 8 percent. Another big box mainstay, Sears, closed more than 1,100 stores in the last year alone. So let's talk about this. I'm joined by CNNMoney business correspondent Alison Kosik and senior tax policy expert at The Heritage Foundation Curtis Dubay. Welcome to you both.
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Hi, Carol.
[Costello:] Hi. Alison, I'll start with you. These are seemingly the last two big box stores still standing. Is it just a matter of time before they disappear?
[Kosik:] I think that may be taking it a little too far, especially when you look at Walmart. Walmart is the biggest retailer in the world. I think what you're going to wind up seeing with Walmart, though, is that you're going to see a lot of changes with Walmart. First and foremost, its recent head of its U.S. division, Bill Simon, was shown the door. The new guy starts actually on August 9th, and what you're really going to see is Walmart starting to focus on its online presence, because that's really where it's at. What you're seeing now is customers wanting convenience, they're finding out that they can find as cheap as you can find in Walmart, they can find it online. Especially with Amazon and Amazon is really the big contender. You look at global sales, online sales between Amazon and Walmart. Walmart is really falling down on the job there. Walmart has $10 billion in sales for the year. $68 billion for Amazon. That's really stiff competition for Walmart. Online presence is what Walmart is after at this point.
[Costello:] Curtis, can you hear me yet?
[Curtis Dubay, Senior Tax Policy Expert:] Yes, I can.
[Costello:] Oh, good. We couldn't hear you for a moment but now we can and I'm glad. So Alison just mentioned that Walmart is trying to compete with Amazon, but it's lagging far behind what Amazon has, what, what did you say, $67 billion compared to $10 billion on Walmart. Can Walmart possibly make that up?
[Dubay:] Well, you know, I think it's probably premature to downgrade them because Walmart, Target, the big box retailers are still really well-run companies but they are behind. They're behind Amazon. Amazon is much further along in the online retail space. I think they can catch up and they still do have certain advantages, right? People are big in the supermarket market, and people are still going to go to stores to shop. And they still have the big, a big presence in the market. People will continue to go to physical stores, but I think they're going to have to catch up in terms of how they interact with their customers because Amazon really does have a great big head start.
[Costello:] And even on the ground, even in the physical store itself, like people tend to gravitate maybe towards smaller stores, and that might be a reason, Alison, why Walmart and Target are thinking of putting these mini stores in places instead of the giant stores they have now.
[Kosik:] Right. Sometimes you walk into the giant stores and you go for that one item. Let's say I'm going for the paper towels of the day and they're just not on the store shelves,. It's frustrating to go there and find that the store shelves are empty. That has been a problem for Walmart as well. It hasn't been keeping its store shelves stocked. In fact, last year a lot of customers once loyal, not loyal anymore. Hundreds wrote in on e-mails saying we go to the stores, what we go there for it isn't there so we're going to go shop elsewhere. Also you talk about convenience. Yes, running in and getting a couple of things, that's hard to do in these big box stores so I think, yes, you're going to see the way that Walmart does business, I think you're going to see that change.
[Costello:] Curtis, would it be such a bad thing to see those giant super stores go away?
[Dubay:] I don't think they're going to go away, but I think Alison is on to something because I think they're going to go to smaller spaces. But they're still going to be saddled with these great big stores they have all around the country. Walmart, Target, Best Buy, they have these great big showrooms that they're not going to be able to use anymore. I think that's going to be a problem and they're going to be saddled with that, with that space, with that real estate for a long time. Would it be a bad thing? Look, it's always a good thing when the economy is evolving and things are we had that dynamism, but I just don't think they're going to go away. They have such a big presence and I think that they understand that the that people are shopping more and more on-line and they'll evolve. They'll evolve along with the economy. They'll figure out how to compete with the Amazon model, to move into the Amazon Prime type model that Amazon has that's so popular. I think they're going to be getting on that in the very near feature so I think that Amazon will get some competition.
[Costello:] Alright, we'll see. Alison Kosik, Curtis Dubay, thank you so much. Checking some top stories for you at 52 minutes past. Chicago is turning to the state police to help stop the city's wave of gun violence. 40 Illinois state troopers will work with the Chicago police department's fugitive unit. Governor Pat Quinn pledged his suppor,t saying the state will do whatever is necessary to protect the public. In Iraq, thousands of Christians are fleeing for their lives as ISIS militants seize the country's largest Christian city. Pope Francis now urging the international community to help end the violence. The foreign minister for the Iraqi Kurdish regional government is calling for American intervention to halt the advance of the terror group.
[Unidentified Male:] This is something way beyond the capacity of the Iraqi Air Forces. We need the United States and NATO to interfere because we are fighting on behalf of all those who are against terrorism. And I believe the United States has a moral responsibility to support us because this is a fight against terrorism and we have proven to be pro-democracy, pro-west and pro-secularism.
[Costello:] ISIS, the terror group, has thrived and mutated during the civil war in Syria and the security vacuum in Iraq. A major announcement from Buckingham Palace this morning about Prince William. The prince apparently will not be quitting his day job any time soon. In fact, he is continuing his passion for flying and will become an air ambulance pilot next spring. He's going to be flying search and rescue missions both day and night. CNN's Max Foster has more for you.
[Max Foster, Cnn Correspondent:] Carol, Prince William left his job in the Royal Air Force last year so he could spend more time with his family. But now that Prince George is 1, his father is ready to go back to work.
[Foster:] Prince William is currently in what the palace describes as a transitional year. Focusing on his royal and charitable work. But now, he's decided what to do next. He's going back to work as an air ambulance pilot and a spokesman says the prince is hugely excited and motivated. It will also make him the first direct heir to the British throne to take a civilian job. The palace says he will be donating his salary to charity. The prince will start training this autumn and is expected to qualify as a pilot next year. He'll do everything expected of a regular pilot, including night shifts, except that he'll be released for his key public duties. Here's one of his future colleagues.
[Unidentified Male:] Once we're actually on the job, I'll actually into the scene and as close as I can to the patient, once they're in back in the helicopter, I close the helicopter down and then provide security for the helicopter if it needs it.
[Foster:] Security is a concern that would have been considered carefully by the palace. There's a worry it could expose the helicopter and the crew to undue interests. Perhaps even hoax calls. Though it wasn't a big problem in his previous role as a military search and rescue pilot.
[Prince William:] Its rewarding because every day you come into work and you don't quite know what's going to happen. It's quite exciting in that sense. It's unpredictable. But at the same time, it's great that you get to go out and actually save someone's life, hopefully, or at least make a difference to someone.
[Foster:] William was involved in more than 150 search and rescue operations as a military pilot, often out at sea. The East Anglian Air Ambulance service is one of the busiest in the U.K. and operates over a diverse area. The job will also allow William to remain as a hands on dad to his son and heir, Prince George, who's just turned 1. The young family are currently renovating their idyllic country home on the queen's Sandringham estate which is a short drive from the two airports that William will be working from. The prince has always been keen on a role beyond his public duties as long as he's second in line to the throne. And this new job will allow him to balance both positions and have his family close by. I think Kate, the duchess, is also going to be happier spending more time in the countryside because here in London she's being hounded by photographers. She feels under siege in the palace here and this country house is idyllic and very, very private, Carol.
[Costello:] Max Foster, reporting from London. The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM after a break.

[Natasha Curry, Cnn Headline News Anchor:] Tonight on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown", we have three sides of this story. The juror, the star witness and the parents. The key players in the George ZimmermanTrayvon Martin case. We`re taking you inside the legal drama like never before.
[Rachel Jenteal:] It was racial. To be honest, racial. If you were if Trayvon was white, he had a hoodie on, would it happen?
[Curry:] All right, whose side are you taking? And can you guess what`s going to be number one on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown?"
[Unidentified Male:] Until the stand your ground law is abolished in Florida I will never perform there again.
[Curry:] Stevie Wonder stands his ground against Florida himself. The music legend is vowing to boycott Florida and anywhere else with a stand your ground law. "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" starts right now. What`s up, thanks for hanging out with us tonight. I`m Natasha Curry in for A.J. Hammer. You know, the expression is there are two sides to every story. Well, tonight in the "SHOWBIZ Countdown" we`re counting down the three different sides to the story of George Zimmerman`s acquittal on charges that he murdered Trayvon Martin. The anonymous juror known as B37, George Zimmerman`s parents, star witness Rachel Jeantel. Their very first interviews about how they feel about the verdict.
[Rachel Jeantel:] Upset, angry, question and mad.
[Unidentified Female:] I think George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place. I knew that he`s a truthful man, that I knew from the beginning that he was saying the truth and it was in my heart and I knew that the truth will come out.
[Curry:] Yes, not two but three sides to this story. Keli Goff is with us tonight. She`s a special correspondent for theroot.com and Jane Velez- Mitchell also here, of course, covering every moment of the Zimmerman trial and hosts "The Jane Velez-Mitchell Show" weeknights at 7 P.M. Eastern here on HLN. So, first, ladies, thanks for joining us. I`m going to kick off the countdown with number three, what made the Zimmerman trial so controversial and emotional and that is race. What role do you think did it play in the trial and Trayvon`s death. Well, the prosecution`s star witness in the case, Rachel Jeantel just told CNN`s Piers Morgan that Trayvon`s death was all about race.
[Jenteal:] It was racial. Let`s be honest, racial. If you were if have was Trayvon was white and he had a hoodie on, would it happen? Because that was around 7:00 o`clock or something. That`s around that people walk their dogs, people stay outside, all that.
[Curry:] Now, Kelly, what do you think? Do you believe that Trayvon was killed because of the color of his skin?
[Keli Goff, Special Correspondent, The Root:] Well, you don`t even need me for this segment because I think that Rachel actually articulated that perfectly, which is that and even the juror conceded that George Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his car and so I keep coming back to the question of why did he get out of the car? Why did he get out of the car? And if it had been a white teenager, wearing a hoodie, walking down the street minding his own business, I just don`t know how anyone can say with a straight face George Zimmerman would have felt the threat to his community and his neighborhood and would have gotten out of that car. And if that`s what you believe, then, of course race had something to do with this. And I don`t see how anyone could argue otherwise.
[Curry:] And there are two more sides, too, to this explosive race question. So let`s watch here with the anonymous juror known as B37, just told CNN`s Anderson Cooper and then we`re going to watch here what Zimmerman`s mom Gladys just told ABC`s Barbara Walters. First, though, the juror.
[Unidentified Female:] And I think just circumstances caused George to think that he might be a robber or trying to do something bad in the neighborhood because of all that had gone on previously. There were unbelievable number of robberies in the neighborhood.
[Unidentified Male:] So you don`t believe race played a role in this case?
[Unidentified Female:] I don`t think it did. I think if there was another person Spanish, White, Asian, if they came in the same situation where Trayvon was I think George would have reacted the exact same way.
[Barbara Walters:] There are people who say that your son targeted Trayvon Martin because Martin was black. How do you answer them?
[Gladys Zimmerman:] Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
[Walters:] Tell me more.
[Gladys Zimmerman:] Georgie is not racist. We are not racist. We don`t see colors. I mean we are color-blind.
[Curry:] So a very different take from Rachel Jeantel. So, Jane, I`m wondering what you`re thinking. Which voice do you think is most convincing to you?
[Jane Velez-mitchell, Cnn Headline News Anchor:] I am certainly not going to jump in on a story that has almost equally divided the nation and presumed that I had an answer and know what was going on inside that guy`s head except that I think he showed very poor judgment as the shrinks would say, it`s probably multi-determined. In other words, a lot of things caused him to do what he did that night and I think part of it is his psychological neurosis, the fact that his dad was a judge, the fact that he was a cop wanna-be. I think on a very deep level this is a guy who wanted attention, wanted approval from his father, wanted to be either a cop or a judge because daddy was a judge and he didn`t really succeed in daddy`s eyes. This was all about some kind of twisted desire to gain approval and be a hero. As to whether or not he was thinking racist thoughts in his head, I cannot tell you that. I don`t know.
[Goff:] Can I just say?
[Curry:] And Keli, you want to jump in. Yeah.
[Goff:] Can I just say, Natasha, though, to Jane`s point. I wrote a piece for "The Root" where I explained how the racists that we`re talking about now is very different from sort of the 1966 definition, which I think people are used to throwing around. Racism in of its essence today, modern day racism, is not someone wearing a Klan robe during and throwing around the "N" word while they are beating up a black person and thinking racists thoughts. That I call the kind of racism that can be sort of surgically removed like a tumor. You can take down the whites only signs and pass a bunch of laws. But today there`s subtle racism, which is someone can vote for Barack Obama and yet still see a white teenage boy and not feel in fear for their life and see a young black teenage boy and think he`s up to no good and he`s a bad person.
[Curry:] Yeah.
[Goff:] That`s the kind of subtle racism that a lot of us believe was at play.
[Curry:] Yes.
[Goff:] I don`t think he was walking in the street saying I hate black people. I think that if he saw a young black man, his reaction was vastly different than if he had seen a young white man. And that`s form of racism, and I think that`s what we`re talking about here.
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, let me say I believe, I agree with Stevie Wonder. Let`s get rid of the stand your ground law and we could focus on these personalities all we want, but the fact is, that there`s a law on the books that encourages people to go out and play judge and jury.
[Goff:] Yeah, she is right.
[Curry:] Yeah, we all have an opinion about it. That`s for sure. But let`s move on now to number two on our "SHOWBIZ Countdown" of the three sides to this story, the question asked to all of us was, was the not guilty verdict a fair one? Here is star witness Rachel Jeantel. Watch.
[Piers Morgan:] They concluded he had acted in self-defense. What do you say to that?
[Jenteal:] B.S. Just
[B.s. Morgan:] In your heart what do you believe happened?
[Jeantel:] He was trying to get home and he was and that`s a fact.
[Curry:] So, Keli, you`re just trying to get home, she says. Do you believe that Rachel Jeantel has that correct?
[Goff:] Look, here`s the bottom line. I just don`t understand how you can be following someone else and then standing your ground from them. I mean that`s just really all I can say and that`s what I think is frustrating. You can say that George Zimmerman was defending his life possibly, but from a fight that he started by assaulting someone or following someone or harassing someone. I mean if I`m walking down the street and someone`s following me I just don`t understand how I`m endangering that person`s life so that they need to stand their ground.
[Curry:] And, of course, there is no question that Zimmerman`s family that they thought that acquitting him was absolutely the right thing to do. I mean watch Zimmerman`s mom and juror B37`s dramatic revelations about that verdict, first, though, his mom. Watch.
[Gladys Zimmerman:] I love him with all my heart and that I knew that he`s a truthful man, that I knew from the beginning that he was saying the truth and it was in my heart and I knew that the truth will come out. I`m sorry that it has to come this way, painful for the whole family, but the truth will set you free.
[Anonymous Juror B37:] It`s just hard. Thinking that somebody lost their life and there`s nothing else could be done about it. I mean, it`s what happens, it`s sad, the tragedy this happened, but it happened. And I think I think both were responsible for the situation they had gotten themselves into. I think both of them could have walked away. It just didn`t happen.
[Curry:] So, Jane, I mean you`ve got both juror B37 saying that both Zimmerman and Trayvon were responsible for what happened. Do you buy that middle ground position?
[Velez-mitchell:] I will say that I believe that the prosecution bungled this case and they did not start out by trying to explain why George Zimmerman had injuries. Had they done that, had they co-opted that piece of information and owned it, they may have I think fared better. They never presented a theory of what they believed happened that night. All they did was accuse George Zimmerman of lying and that didn`t beat the burden.
[Curry:] And, Keli, quickly, what`s your response?
[Goff:] You know, what I love about my mom is that she doesn`t believe in defending me when I`m wrong and I have a hard time believing she`d go on Barbara Walters if I what I did resulted in another person`s death.
[Curry:] Ladies, thank you. So as we`ve heard there, then really are three sides to this very complicated story, but of all the explosive questions debated, which one is going to be number one in the "SHOWBIZ Countdown?" The big reveal coming up in just a moment. Jane, Keli, stay right there.
[Goff:] And we are arguing three sides from the Zimmerman insiders now Stevie Wonder, he is also taking a stand in this case. The music legend making a dramatic decision about his future performances. New York City, it`s always setting the trends, well, the latest trend might be re-electing freaky disgraced lawmakers. Eliot Spitzer slept with hookers and Anthony Weiner sent a tweet with no pants on. Now, let`s look in live in New York City is about to put these two back in office. Right now at the streets of the Big Apple and "SHOWBIZ" dares to ask, who would you rather not?
[Unidentified Male:] You would say Weiner?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] If you`re saying Weiner.
[Unidentified Female:] Yes. Weiner. I said Weiner. Yes. You`re saying Weiner? I`m agreeing with her. Weiner. I have two out of three women saying Weiner.

[Banfield:] With the National Guard being deployed, we still have no clue what today and tonight are going to be in Ferguson, Missouri. What kind of action those streets might see. Last night, what began as peaceful protests spiraled into chaos after two people were shot and injured. The highway patrol says those civilians were not shot by the police, and they say some protesters were hurling Molotov cocktails at the police as well. All of this despite a curfew that was in place. And Michael Brown's attorney asking for calm. Our Don Lemon is on the ground for us in Ferguson, Missouri. Don, who is it that it is supposed is causing the trouble at night? Because by day things are calm. By night, does anyone really know who these people are?
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] No, they don't really know, but they have some idea that some of it is caused by outside agitators. Some of it is caused by people who are within the town. They believe that some of it may be caused by gang bangers, but they believe that it's an orchestrated effort. And the small amount of people, small number of people I should say who are committing the violent protests, the unruly protests, are people who just want a reason to act out anyways. They want a reason to steal. They want a reason to loot. They want to reason to fire things into the crowd. So it is believed to be obviously younger people as well. But they also think there's some outside agitation coming in from groups, anarchistic-type groups who come in and they like to see chaos and these things occur. I like to keep reiterating, it's a small number of people doing that. Most of the protesters here are peaceful and they just want their voice heard.
[Banfield:] And, Don, is there any sense every day, there's new information and it sometimes raises more questions than answers. We've just had this news conference from Dr. Michael Baden and the family of Michael Brown with regard to the second autopsy. Has that information filtered down to the street yet and is there any sense on how it's being digested?
[Lemon:] Absolutely. Everything gets here pretty quickly and usually during press conferences, depending on where you are, if you're at one of the protest places, you'll hear the press conferences on loud speaker and people are listening intently. They believe from the number of shots from the autopsy at least six shots that it was overkill or it was excessive, I should say, it's a better way of putting it. They believe that it was excessive. They believe that obviously his hands were up, as witnesses have been saying. And they also think that the shot to the head, this is in their opinion, their belief, that that was over the top. That's what killed him and that was unnecessary. So yes, it's trickling down. And so Ashleigh, there are a number of factors here that we have to really look at and we have to take an honest look at and we have to be vigilant about. That is, number one, the autopsy results that people are not happy with. Number two, the National Guard coming in and concerns about people feeling like they are occupied again. And then of course the possibility of violence here. Where we are, just moments ago, they said that people couldn't congregate here, that they could protest if they wanted to, but they couldn't stop, they couldn't congregate. It appears, if you look around, that police have backed off of that because it caused some consternation here. People were saying, you know, it's my right, I want to assemble here. Rather than cause some anger and some resentment, the cops relented a bit and now they're just standing here, having a presence and keeping a close watch.
[Banfield:] OK, Don Lemon, keep an eye on things for us, if you would. Let us know if anything changes over the course of this hour. Our Don Lemon has been doing terrific work in the streets of Ferguson. Now I want to bring in Retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General Russel Honore in Baton Rouge, Louisiana along with Cedric Alexander who is the president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. He's also the public safety director in DeKalb County outside of Atlanta. General Honore, if I could begin with you. You heard Don Lemon just reporting on the notion that people feel as though with the onslaught of the National Guard arriving in Ferguson, it's feeling a little like they're occupied. What would your recommendation be for this community, given what we've seen transpire over the last week, night by night by night? Is the National Guard the right thing to do? LT. GEN. RUSSEL HONORE, U.S. ARMY I think, you know, Mr. Alexander, there have been a lot of critics who have said this police presence, be it the county, be it the state, highway patrol or, now, the National Guard, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. When they held back, when the looting happened, they were criticized. When they went in too hard because the protesters wouldn't disperse, they were criticized. Does the National Guard have any kind of blueprint that they can follow so as not to take it from either side of this debate?
[Cedric Alexander, Public Safety Director, Dekalb County, Georgia:] Well, I will certainly lean to the general to probably more appropriate person to answer that question, considering his experience. However, I will say this from my own experience, is that the National Guard historically have had a great reputation. We've seen that over the years and being able to manage crowds under these types of circumstances. So I believe we have to give the Guard an opportunity to go in there tonight, based on how they're trained, with the equipment that they're going to bring with them, that will probably be far more appropriate for what we're seeing out there on the streets in Ferguson.
[Banfield:] Yes, I'd only have to just add that the National Guard didn't have such a good reputation in the '60s, given, you know, peaceful protests and people who were fired upon. But things have certainly been different since. General Honore, sometimes it seems at least recently that the presence of more law enforcement, especially a militarized appearance of law enforcement, begets more violence. Meaning those who don't like the notion of law enforcement only see more and only get angrier. Do you not see there is this strange cycle playing out?
[Honore:] Well, from the last few days, again, as I've come to realize, Ashleigh, I think they're going to have to find a political narrative that they can connect with the people on and move in that direction. Because I don't think more police is going to solve the issues in this town. They can provide security and hopefully provide safety for the people, but they're not going to solve the problem, more police.
[Banfield:] Mr. Alexander, General Honore just used that term "political narrative." I'm going to you a two-pronged question. That is number one, are you advising any of the law enforcement still in operation in this community? And if you are still advising them or if you could, what would you recommend the political narrative be for the way they actually effectuate their work in the streets at night?
[Alexander:] Well, what I will say going forward, I think it's an opportunity for the guard right now to be at the forefront of this so that the police can somewhat fall to the back. I think part of the problem here, much of the problem is here, is that there is a great deal of distrust between police in that community. The community there just does not trust the police whatsoever. So that's where you get to the point of where being darned if you do, darned if you don't. Those bridges are going to have to be worked on. But it's very difficult to work on those bridges when each and every night, you have the police saying that is the crowd is making actions towards them that's creating these types of events. But yet, still, if you listen to the crowd, they would say that it's the police. So I don't know who the observers are in this who can be objective, but I think, in life, we can't determine that, and it is somewhat suspect on both sides, in my opinion. I think it's important that the Guard come in at this point. We're going to see, going forward, potentially, who's the real initiators in this. One thing I'm very comfortable with, the National Guard, in recent years, have certainly demonstrated they can manage these types of crowds. If we see that tonight and night2s going forward, that might give us a clearer indication as to what direction we need to be going into.
[Banfield:] I certainly hope we do see exactly what you're suggesting. Yes, go ahead, General Honore.
[Honore:] If I might say, Ashleigh, Missouri is one of the few states with two military police battalions. All those troops have deployed at least once. They're well trained. They have the right type of troops, military police, to do law enforcement. In many cases, some states don't have military police so they'll put infantry troops. This governor has at his disposal two battalions of military police. They're sending about 200. So these are trained policemen that are coming in to assist in this task, and I assume that's who he selected for this task. We'll see if the coming hours here as they show up.
[Banfield:] OK, General Honore, thank you so much for your time. Cedrick Alexander, thank you as well. Just invaluable input at this time when it is so critical to have your very moderate voices and your very wise voices. Thank you to you both. Another witness to the final moments of Michael Brown's life coming forward. Ahead, what her cell phone video reveals and what she says she saw that day.

[Burnett:] Our fourth story, OUTFRONT," is Weiner losing his cool? So supporters have been plunging in the polls and Anthony Weiner's campaign for New York City mayor has been reduced to a bit of a sideshow, but he's been mocking reporters, lashing out at his own staff, and today something absolutely beyond happened. Susan Candiotti is OUTFRONT with a candidate who is unraveling before our very eyes.
[Susan Candiotti, Cnn National Correspondent:] As Anthony Weiner's campaign spirals downward, his fuse is getting shorter. Take this glare to a British reporter, asking how he's managing despite the sexting scandal.
[Lucy Watson, Itv Reporter:] Is it ambition? Is it a hunger for the big job, the power?
[Anthony Weiner, New York Mayoral Candidate:] It's hard to take you seriously? No, it has to do with wanting to be mayor of the city of New York, and wanting to help the middle class and those struggling to make it.
[Watson:] What is it you want to do
[Weiner:] Well, the hunger for the big job.
[Candiotti:] He mimics her accent. And in his next answer, references a legendary British comedy show.
[Watson:] Would anything stop you?
[Weiner:] I just have a feeling I've like stopped into a "Monty Python" bit. I don't know. Would anything stop me? Is a rock going to fall on my head? No, I'm going to win this election.
[Lee Miringoff, Marist College Poll:] Best case, he was trying to be funny, but there's been not too much funny in the way of his candidacy so far.
[Candiotti:] Earlier this week, Weiner got it into with an opponent who's reportedly called him a self-pleasuring freak. Among the sniping
[Weiner:] If I can just finish my answer, that would be great.
[Candiotti:] The mocking and Carlos Danger sexting, voters may be wondering, when will it end?
[Miringoff:] Voters are willing to give him a second chance. They're not willing to give him a third, fourth, or fifth chance.
[Candiotti:] In the latest poll, Weiner keeps sliding, in fourth place and down to 10 percent of the vote.
[Miringoff:] His intent to dig out may only be really digging himself deeper.
[Candiotti:] Weiner's still forecasting a win and inexplicably, the weather in gland.
[Weiner:] It's going to be raining, cloudy, and gray, so do what you can, guys. Try to keep your head up, keep a stiff what is it? Stiff upper lip.
[Candiotti:] Advice that may also help his troubled candidacy. For OUTFRONT, Susan Candiotti, CNN, New York.
[Burnett:] At least it's entertaining. Still to come, a man has admitted to killing his wife and then posted a picture of her body on Facebook. This is a horrific story. We'll have the story of why it happened. Plus, a store refuses to serve Oprah Winfrey, bad service or racism? And former Senator Scott Brown's brother is found with massive amounts of ammunition. And our shout-out tonight, motorcyclist versus a ram. This is the best part of the show. A man in New Zealand, he's riding his trail bike up the hill and he runs into ram and the ram wants no part of it. The ram was angry and he made it known, charging both the bike and its rider. The man was eventually able to wave a branch to get the ram to run passed him. But, you know what, here's the truth. We are rooting for the ram. The shout-out tonight goes to the ram for defending his territory and conquering that man.

[Kristie Lu Stout:] And welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet. Now a fire breaks out at Kenya's main international airport, shutting down all flights. Another family says their daughter was driven to suicide by online bullying. And a heatwave hits China. We'll see if there's any relief in sight. Now, Kenya's main airport is currently out of action after this massive fire engulfed its international terminal. Now this was the scene at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi earlier, flames and clouds of smoke shooting into the air. Now the blaze is said to be contained. And according to the Kenya airport's Twitter account, cargo and domestic flights will restart later. Now no word yet on when international flights might resume. Now the Kenyan government says security at the site has been increased. And journalist Nick Hughes joins us now with the latest from Nairobi. And Nick, what is the latest you're learning about the status of the airport?
[Nick Hughes, Journalist:] Yes, hi Kristie. The airport is the arrivals section of the international airport is in cinders. I don't know at this point how they're going to get normal service running anywhere in the near future. This has left thousands of passengers in Kenya, also in transit at other airports coming into Kenya in limbo. This is the high season of Kenyan tourism, with as I say, tens of thousands of tourists coming in every week. Now they're getting the cargo running, they're getting the local flights running, but this is the destruction of half of the international airport. And it's not just the airport for Kenya, it's the airport regionally Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] As you've been reporting, the blaze engulfed the entire international terminal. Have you been able to see any of the damage firsthand?
[Hughes:] No, I haven't. The airport at the moment is completely sealed off. Those journalist who got in earlier there. Now, the problem is that they're trying to get security and fire vehicles, they're trying to get the passengers who are at the airport back into town. This is closed off, in effect, the main artery for central Africa, and certainly the whole of Kenya, the road that runs from the coast into the capital here and then on. So not only the airport, but also the road is partly closed off. It's having far reaching far reaching effects indeed.
[Lu Stout:] And what are you starting to learn about what could have caused the fire? Now we've learned that there was recent construction on a duty free area in the international zone of the airport. Could that be a factor here?
[Hughes:] The fire reportedly was started at the immigration the immigration section at the desks there where people first get their passports stamped as they're coming into Kenya. That's on the first floor. Now there's no indication of any foul play well, the problem is that we don't know at all what caused this fire. And certainly we don't know why it wasn't controlled, why it was allowed to spread throughout the entire building and reduce the whole of the arrivals, which is a building unto itself, to cinders.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah very dramatic pictures there of the aftermath of the fire. Nick Hughes, reporter, joining us live on the line from Nairobi. Thank you so much for that. And Nick reporting just then that tens of thousands of international travelers are now in limbo as a result of the fire and the closure. Now the airport's closure, it could take a huge toll on Kenya's tourism industry and trade across Africa. And CNN's John Defterios is following that side of the story. He joins us now live from Abu Dhabi. And John, just how important is this airport to the Kenyan economy?
[John Defterios, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, they've prided themselves, Kristie, on trying to be an export hub for East Africa. First and foremost, it is the busiest airport in East Africa. And in fact, let's take a look at a graph here, it is the fourth busiest airport in Sub Sahara Africa, trailing behind Johannesburg, Cape Town, Legos, Nigeria, which is a much more populated country, and then you have Kenya. It's important for tourism. It's very important for the export sector. Now if we drill down into the Kenyan economy, for the last decade they've been driving up their exports into Europe and here into the Middle East as well. Tea is the number one export product. They're very big into flowers. In fact, a third of the flowers that are in the European Union come from Kenya alone. And of course, tourism is a key driver as well. If you break down those sectors, the tea and coffee, tourism and horticulture, you're looking at about $1 billion apiece. And the airport, Jomo Kenyatta, is crucial right across the board for all three of these sectors. So we don't want to overplay it at this juncture. We don't know if it's going to reopen and have full cargo facilities going forward. But Kenya has worked very hard in fact, other countries in East Africa and Sub Sahara Africa have tried to followed the Kenya model in terms of exports into Europe and into the faster growing economies of the Gulf States in the Middle East as well Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] OK, John. And hang tight, we're going to bring up some new pictures coming in from our affiliate there in Kenya, live pictures of what the international arrivals hall at that major airport in Nairobi looks like right now. Of course you can see the reporters on the scene. Earlier my producer was describing that smoke could still be seen rising from the airport. And there you see in the background there earlier. That section a critical section of the airport. Live pictures from our affiliate in Kenya right there of the international hall of this airport. It was engulfed in flames earlier. You can see attempts to dose it with water. It looks like a jet of water behind the reporter. And you can still see the smoke rising. Live pictures there from our affiliate of the aftermath of this huge fire at this major airport in Nairobi. John Defterios is joining us. We've been talking about the financial impact of this. And John, you know, you were mentioning earlier that there are a number of sectors that will be affected here as a result of this. Obviously the travel industry. You were mentioning tea, agriculture. Tell us more about the impact on tourism.
[Defterios:] Well, just the pictures alone, Kristie, you take a look at what's taking place here. And if you had in this peak season flights in your tourism packages booked into the country, obviously one would step back and say is it wise for me to go down here. In the back of our minds, of course and this is not confirmed, but this does hit on the 15th anniversary of the U.S. embassy bombing as well. So it's something that comes into the mind of the tourist that's looking to Kenya and to going into East Africa for a holiday. Let's take a look again at how important this sector is to the economy. It brings in, as I noted, just over a billion dollars a year in revenues, but that's been flat. And that's because Kenya has had its own set of challenges. They had the political uncertainty with the March elections. They had the terrorist attacks that have been sporadic with al Shabaab, which the government has taken a very heavy line against. And now you have this bombing or the fire at the airport as well. Arrivals at one point, 7 million, 8 million, with the estimate now 1.4 million for 2013, sliding again. But the government had a very large target, a very high target in 2015 of 3 million. So if you see in an incident like this, it's going to be challenging to try to hit that sort of target. And it is the second largest foreign exchange earner, just behind tea exports, the tourism sector. So they've had political setbacks, terrorist setbacks, and now a fire at the international terminal creating yet a new challenge for the government and the people of Kenya.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah. And this huge fire having a massive toll on Kenya's commerce and on Kenya's tourism industry. John Defterios, thank you very much indeed. And let's stay for just a moment on these live pictures from our affiliate there in Kenya as we're watching the reporter just walk through the scene of emergency services there in front of the international terminal where earlier a fire engulfed the entire international terminal of Nairobi's Kenyatta international airport this Wednesday, causing extensive damage, no injuries, no deaths as we've learned so far, and a potentially huge financial toll as we've been discussing with John Defterios on Kenya's tourism, agriculture, travel, and commerce. And there you see it, as the emergency workers there, the firefighters are dealing with these blazes, that they've engulfed the international terminal there in Nairobi earlier. Now you're watching News Stream. We'll continue to keep you up with the very latest on that story out of Kenya. But coming up next on the program, we know that foreigners are leaving Yemen over fears of a terror attack. And we'll tell you about the security situation there and the latest drone strikes. And meanwhile in China there's been a record setting heat wave. And it continues to bake large parts of the country. And we also have the tragic story of this 14-year-old girl who killed herself after her family says that she became a target of online bullying.

[Keilar:] We are getting new glimpses into Hillary Clinton's lovehate relationship with the news media as she weighs a 2016 presidential bid. CNN has examined previously unseen documents that shed new light on Clinton's response to negative coverage when she was first lady. And just yesterday, Clinton spoke publicly about hanging tough under fire.
[Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary Of State:] One of the best pieces of advice that I've ever heard from anyone is Eleanor Roosevelt in the 1920s who said that, you know, women in politics or in public roles should grow skin like a rhinoceros.
[Keilar:] Hillary Clinton offered some of her own leadership advice to women this week at a conference in New York City.
[Clinton:] There's an old, you know, saying that your critics can be your best friends if you listen to them and learn from them but don't get dragged down by them.
[Keilar:] Her comments come as new documents reveal Clinton has held a great distrust of the media from before her time as first lady. Clinton calls the press complete hypocrites, according to diary entries from her close confidante Diane Blair. "They say they want the truth, want power to be transparent but in fact they prefer backstage manipulation of Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan, Bess Truman, Rosalynn Carter," Blair recounts Clinton saying. Carl Bernstein wrote a biography of Hillary Clinton. Shortly after her husband's 1992 win, Hillary received this advice about dealing with reporters from First Lady Barbara Bush.
[Carl Bernstein, Author, "a Woman In Charge":] Beware of this crowd, you don't want to have anything to do with them. And if you are going to be quoted, say it loud and clear and make sure you say it damn loud that they're not to be trusted. And Hillary said to Barbara Bush, I've already had some experience with that. And I know that already.
[Keilar:] In the White House, the Clintons squared off against the press over the firing of White House travel office employees, investigations into White House counsel Vince Foster's suicide, the list went on.
[Bernstein:] Clintons felt they were being attacked over health care, over this so-called scandal in Whitewater, and in face they really hadn't done anything wrong, in in Whitewater but they sure had handled it badly, and once again this pattern of non-candor was established.
[Keilar:] Especially for Hillary Clinton who was more guarded than her husband. In January 1995, after two years in the White House, she told her friend that she did not know how history could be written on Bill Clinton's presidency with media reports being so wrong. Diane Blair wrote, "She said there was hardly a news story that she couldn't totally refute." And our chief political analyst Gloria Borger joining us now. I mean, we sort of looked there at Hillary Clinton, her days in Arkansas, her time in the White House as first lady.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] Right.
[Keilar:] Do you think that she's done a lot to sort of rebuild her image since then and also separate herself from her husband?
[Borger:] Look, she had an unsuccessful presidential campaign in which she was the prohibitive favorite and she lost to Barack Obama, and that was obviously hurtful. I would argue she was a hugely successful senator and a very successful secretary of state. Even after all of the Benghazi controversy over half the people in this country see her as a successful secretary of state. If she runs, she's going to run on her experience of a lifetime, which is what she talked about in her last presidential bid. But people will look at her differently because she has truly sort of separated her achievements from those of Bill Clinton who, by the way, is also going to be very hurtful to her this time if she runs because he's a lot more popular than he ever was. Right?
[Keilar:] And certainly yes, and the time in the State Department, I think, was sort of her reset for the poor management of her campaign that she got came under so much fire.
[Borger:] Right. You know, and also, one other thing about Hillary Clinton, when she first became secretary of state, people were saying, oh, how could Barack Obama appoint her? She would never be a member of the team of rivals and it turned out that she was a team player and we'll see what she writes about her in memoir that's coming out this summer but she was a team player and people who love Barack Obama and didn't like Hillary Clinton, they are now going to work for Hillary Clinton.
[Keilar:] Yes.
[Borger:] Because they respected the way she behaved when she was on her former opponent's team and that's not a small thing.
[Keilar:] No. And she was so she was so influential.
[Borger:] Yes.
[Keilar:] And so now, as everyone is wondering, is she going to run, is she not going to run? I mean, is she sort of damned if she does and damned if she doesn't when she speaks publicly?
[Borger:] Right. Look, she dominates the headlines. Even when she doesn't have anything to do with the making of the headlines. I mean, you were talking about her friend, Mrs. Blair's diaries which, of course, Hillary Clinton didn't write but these are private conversations that were dredged up from decades ago and she is still in the headlines and we're still talking about how she feels about the press. In many ways, a lot of us grew up looking at Hillary. We feel like we know her because we watched her in the White House or we watched her as a senator, we watched her run for the presidency. We watched her as secretary of state. So everybody comes to her with a certain bias that they already have because they think they know her. I think her challenge is difficult. It's to reintroduce herself as who she is really comfortable being. I think you saw that when she was secretary of state and I think she's got to sort of figure out a way to do that and to say, look, you know, I am a candidate who understands the way this country needs to move and change.
[Keilar:] Yes. To capitalize on her experience without seeming like, you know, kind of
[Borger:] She's 10 generations ago.
[Keilar:] Exactly.
[Borger:] Right.
[Keilar:] So that point
[Borger:] Yes.
[Keilar:] You know, one of the stories that was written when President Obama was elected was you had John McCain who was of a different generation.
[Borger:] Right.
[Keilar:] And that voters were ready for someone of a new generation. Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer. And if she does run
[Borger:] Right.
[Keilar:] she'll be running against younger folks, maybe.
[Borger:] Right.
[Keilar:] Chris Christie maybe not, Rand Paul. We're looking at Marco Rubio.
[Borger:] Right.
[Keilar:] Paul Ryan. These guys are of a different generation. Will that work against her, do you think?
[Borger:] You know what, she's a woman and sometimes it takes women a lot longer to get to the place that men get to a little bit earlier in life.
[Keilar:] Yes.
[Borger:] And so I think I don't think I don't think it would be held against her and also, by the way, I think there's this question about Republicans saying Barack Obama did not have enough experience to be president of the United States, his tenure as president has proven that. Well, it's been hard for them to turn around and say, but by the way, Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, who are newbies in the Senate, just like Barack Obama was, should then get the nomination because then they can't make that argument anymore and you know, it's a little bit difficult for them. So, you know, I think the fact that it's taken Hillary Clinton longer to get to where she is as a woman
[Keilar:] Yes. Also
[Borger:] Fine.
[Keilar:] We have longevity, right? This is one of the advantages of being a woman, I would say.
[Borger:] Right. Right. And yes and we change with the times.
[Keilar:] All right. Gloria Borger, thanks so much.
[Borger:] Thanks, Brianna.
[Keilar:] Now we have pictures right now of President Obama's plane, Air Force One, of course landing in Fresno, if we can pull that up. He is going to be out west talking about the terrible drought conditions in the area plaguing area farmers. A lot of people conserving water. It's something that we are going to be following and you see Air Force One landing there in Fresno, California, in the Central Valley. And we are also awaiting a verdict in a closely watched case being called the loud music trial. This has a Florida man facing a murder charge. The jury continuing to deliberate. The case has attracted national attention since the beginning. There are parallels here to the killing of Trayvon Martin and that trial of George Zimmerman. Similar overtones here of race and self-defense. In this case, Michael Dunn claimed that he was acting in self- defense when he fired on an SUV with four teenagers inside after confronting them about the loud music they were playing. Well, Dunn said that he saw one of the teens grabbing a gun. So Dunn fired 10 shots. Three of them hit 17-year-old Jordan Davis who died. No gun was ever found in the teen's car. No gun. Dunn was charged with first-degree murder and three counts of attempted murder. And just ahead, we've got the latest from Sochi where there's a battle brewing over the U.S. speed skaters' uniforms. That's right. Could they be to blame for a disappointing showing? And Vladimir Putin paid a surprise visit to Team USA. This is really interesting. You want to stick around for this. Find out what why the Russian president was at the USA House.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] All right, breaking news here. We've got a little bit more information on this shooting that happened after outside of this Naval facility in Millington, Tennessee. So this is what we have right now. We know that two people were injured after they were shot in this incident. This is how the U.S. Navy is calling it, an incident north of Millington Navy Base. This is at the Tennessee National Guard building, according to the communications person with this Navy base in Tennessee. They say the conditions of the victims are unknown at this point in time, but they have been hospitalized. It is unclear what the relationship the shooter had with the victims, but I mean we can tell you that the suspect is in custody. This incident under investigation here, happening in Millington, Tennessee. More breaking news for you this afternoon. We are also now hearing for the very first time from a 12-year-old who survived Monday's shooting at a middle school in Nevada. Police say one of his classmates, also 12, gunned down a teacher, that math teacher, before killing himself. And Stephanie Elam is live in Nevada for me right now. And, Stephanie, what is this youngster saying?
[Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] Brooke, it was a very moving conversation we just had with this young man. His name is Mason. And Mason says at the time when he heard the gunshots, he thought it was in the distance and that he was trying to figure out why all of his classmates were running and then he saw that Mr. Landsberry, Mike Landsberry was down, and he went to his aid. And then he saw that the shooter had a gun, and he said he was trying to reach for his backpack. He saw the shooter and said don't shoot me, don't shoot me, and he did shoot him in the abdomen. All of this has given Mason a new perspective on guns. Take a listen.
[Mason, 12-year-old Survived School Shooting:] I want people to learn from what I've been through, is to if you ever shot a gun and you accidentally killed somebody, you would have made a very big mistake from that. I used to treat guns not poorly but a little poorly. Because I thought they were a toy, but when I got shot, I learned that they're not just a toy. They're a weapon and it could damage somebody very bad. So I want everybody in the world to know that war and battles and anything dealing with weapons and guns and knives, they're all weapons. And they can kill you, very easily, if you hit the right spot. I'm lucky to be alive and the bullet didn't go through me. If it did, I would have been dead, but it just went around me. So I'm very lucky to be alive.
[Elam:] Where were you when everything started?
[Mason:] I was by south hall.
[Elam:] By south hall. What did you hear?
[Mason:] A few gunshots and I thought they were out in the distance.
[Elam:] Really? You thought they were far away? So what did you do?
[Mason:] I was I really didn't do anything. I was confused why everybody was running.
[Elam:] And then what when did you encounter your classmate with the gun? How soon after you heard the first couple of shots?
[Mason:] I went to try to help Mr. Landsberry and I went to go grab my backpack, but then I didn't grab it because I didn't really care about it. So then I was going to the closest building, it was in the south hall, and that's where I was shot.
[Elam:] Did you see him?
[Mason:] Yes.
[Elam:] Did you come face-to-face with him? Did he say anything to you? He just shot you? How far away from you was he?
[Mason:] About 10, 20 feet.
[Elam:] And did you realize right away you had been shot? Did you know? You knew it.
[Mason:] Yes, there was a very sharp pain in my stomach.
[Elam:] Did you fall?
[Mason:] No.
[Elam:] You managed to stay standing. So what did you do?
[Mason:] After I was shot, I went to try to go back in the building and then I ran away from him. And there was another entrance at the end of south hall, and I tried to get in, but it was locked so I went to Agnes Grisly and there was a secret security that helped me, told me to lay down and put pressure on my wound.
[Elam:] So where exactly, if you can put your hand over it, where exactly did you get shot?
[Mason:] It went in like this, went through my tissue and kind of tried to exit out, but then it went down and shot behind there.
[Elam:] Wow.
[Unidentified Female:] It went in.
[Elam:] And while we were having that conversation, one thing that Mason's mom wanted to make sure that everyone knew and the reason why she really wanted to get the word out is because she thinks it's really important that there's gun safety. She said she owns a gun, but she also has a safe and that's what you need to do to keep children safe here. Obviously that's a very sensitive topic, but that's what she wanted people to know. As for Mason, he's saying the community is really going to miss Mr. Landsberry. A person he called a friend. He said he would often go into his classroom and have lunch with him because he was such a good guy and such a good friend. So he is dealing with a lot and I think we saw the second time he has been able to shed tears since everything that happened to him on Monday Brooke.
[Baldwin:] Stephanie, that interview was gut-wrenching. It's heartbreaking. He's 12 years young. I just have to ask, as I'm listening to him sort of breaking down in front of you, please tell me he is getting help that his classmates are talking to professionals because I can't imagine going through this, let alone being that young.
[Elam:] Yes, they definitely have been putting all sorts of counseling out through the community for the students, for the teachers as well. One thing that is still up in the air at this point, Brooke, is whether or not he will go back to Sparks Middle School once he is healed. That's something where they know there will be a lot of support for him, but at the same time, there just may be too many memories and thought the kinds you want your 12-year-old son to relive day in, day out.
[Baldwin:] Stephanie Elam for us in Nevada. Stephanie, thank you. Our hearts go out to all those families there at Sparks Middle School. Thank you so much for sharing that. And coming up, we do have an update for you. More on our breaking news as we learned about this shooting near a Navy base in Millington, Tennessee. More on that after this break.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. The so-called loud music trial, we have our verdict. It was incomplete. There was no verdict yet on the death of Jordan Davis, but the prosecutor says they will retry the case for the young man's death. So the jury deadlocked on whether Dunn murdered 17-year-old Jordan Davis. He could still, however, face 60 years in prison because of the multiple counts of attempted murder and the other charge that he was convicted of. The case, of course, has sparked debate that goes way beyond the courtroom. This is about race. It's about prejudice. It's also about Florida's self-defense laws more than anything else and comparisons, of course, to George Zimmerman's acquittal seven months ago. Let's discuss these issues in the courtroom and how they extend out of it. We have HLN's Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace, great to you have you here. Thank you for joining this conversation.
[Nancy Grace, Hln:] Good morning.
[Cuomo:] Let's start with the specific with this actual verdict. Can you make sense of it?
[Grace:] Well, I've really wrestled with it, and I think I can make sense of it. That doesn't mean I disagree that agree with it. What I think happened is this. I think that even though we don't believe there's a self-defense theory here, I do not believe there was a gun there, I don't think Jordan Davis or any of his friends had a gun, I think that they were four kids going out to the mall to try to meet girls. They had been talking about what cologne they were going to wear that night. I don't think they were interested in gun play. But I think that some of the jurors, maybe one of them, thought even though it doesn't make sense to us did he think he was defending himself against Jordan Davis? If they believe that, then I could understand how they came back hung on count one, which dealt specifically with Jordan Davis. But as to the other three young boys in that car, absolutely no self-defense. Again, I don't agree with it, but I'm trying to understand it and make sense of it. Now what is Dunn looking at? He's actually looking at over 90 years behind bars. This is why. The charges carry a penalty of 20 to 30 on each of those three attempted murder twos. In Florida you probably already know this there is a statute that says if a gun is involved in certain crimes, they gotta run consecutive, 30, 30, 30 or 20, 20, 20 plus firing into a car. This is a life sentence for him. I still want a murder trial on Jordan Davis. As a crime victim myself, I wouldn't want to go to my grave saying, "My son's case never had a verdict." Right or wrong, guilty or not guilty I want a verdict.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] That would just be the way I look at it.
[Cuomo:] I think you have to have it. I mean I thought the father was very eloquent and the mother as well saying that certainly he didn't get away with it. This is another situation like George Zimmerman for the family of that victim. However there's still no resolution on the message that must be sent about the value life. So hopefully Angela Corey rethinks her strategy, brings the case we see what happens. Obviously, we want fairness to prevail. Let me ask you this, on the issue of the gun, it seems to me that one of two things has to be true for this jury or whoever deadlocked it, Nancy Grace, which is one, they believe that a car full of black kids was likely to have had a gun with them and I wonder if they would have thought that if it was a car full of white kids. Or someone on that jury believed that Michael Dunn would have never done this if his life wasn't in fear because he'd never done anything like it before. Someone must believe one or both of those suppositions do you agree. Because there was no proof of the gun offered.
[Grace:] I think that could be true.
[Cuomo:] There's no proof.
[Grace:] I think that could be true. But I also think that the fact that they came back on guilty against, with the other three victims, means that they knew that he was not exercising self-defense against those three victims. I mean come on.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] Bottom line in his police interview he says he may have even imagined the gun.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] I mean the fact that there was no gun, you know, that just goes without saying there was no gun. Police said it, crime scene tech said it, witnesses said it
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] the boys in the car said it. The girlfriend, the fiancee gets in the car. I mean when I was a prosecutor I had a gun pulled on me and my investigator once. We dove off the front porch of that apartment complex when I saw the barrel. I'll never forget it, the first thing I said was "That guy pulled a gun on us."
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] When she got in the car after trotting in to get ever more booze he never said "Those kids pulled a gun on me."
[Cuomo:] That's right. And
[Grace:] Why? Because they didn't pull a gun on him.
[Cuomo:] And everything that happened afterwards, not calling 911, not doing anything that seems like common sense follow up. Look the jury you got to give them credit they were sophisticated to come up with the attempted murder those convictions. That showed a lot of thought and dedication. Now, let's get to the main issue. This happened because this law is a tough law this Florida self-defense law, forget about stand your ground. It creates too low a bar for self-defense in my opinion. Do you see this case as being a reflection of the need for change where someone again, makes bad assumptions and gets bailed out by the law just like in the George Zimmerman case?
[Grance:] Well, the reality is that self-defense it is subjective, it's what the defendant thought. Did they feel that they were being threatened? Now, to me this is just as absurd as me saying well I thought you were going to shoot me through the camera so I shot you back.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] That doesn't make sense just like in this case. I think it's more a matter of the way the evidence is presented. And the way you strike your jury. If you get one nut on a jury you can have the greatest laws in the world and you're still going to get a bad verdict. But again, this jury worked like mad.
[Cuomo:] They worked hard.
[Grace:] And I'm frankly grateful that they came back on anything Zimmerman.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] I mean how many times do I have to see that man trace a picture from AP and then sell it for $100,000 online? I mean he needs to just go away and be quiet.
[Cuomo:] I understand completely how you feel Nancy. But again, you have two cases here where guys made bad suppositions but because of a law where there's no duty to retreat and there's no punishment for being stupid in a situation they both wind up with no acquittal certainly until it gets retried.
[Grace:] You know the law and the reality is you can only under all law including Florida, you can only use as much force as is necessary to defeat the attack.
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] And here it's like if I slap you, you can't shoot me with an Uzi
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Grace:] and that's what happened in this case. The Florida law covers that. Do I think that it gives the defendant an advantage? Yes, I do an unfair advantage.
[Cuomo:] Yes, I totally agree Nancy Grace. Thank you very much for joining. Of course, we can all watch you.
[Grace:] Thanks for inviting me.
[Cuomo:] Oh, it's a pleasure need your perspective always. We can watch you on Monday through Friday at 8:00 p.m. Eastern on HLN Kate.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn:] Coming up next on NEW DAY he's a silver medalist with a heart of gold. Find out what one U.S. Olympian is doing to help save the stray dogs of Sochi. The good stuff is next.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, John Berman here in for Anderson. Two big breaking stories, each involving your safety. A major storm on track to hit the Eastern Seaboard and fresh concerns that terror groups have found a new way of getting bombs on to airliners. We start, though, with Tropical Storm Arthur very soon to be Hurricane Arthur, and our first clear indication of where peak impact will be. For that, let's check in with Chad Myers at the Weather Center. Chad, you've been in the Weather Center all day tracking this storm. How are things looking right now?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] The pressure is getting lower and the winds are picking up. That means Arthur is about to get to that hurricane strength. Weather Center, Hurricane Center saying sure, by morning, probably this will be above that 74-mile-per-hour threshold. Everybody wants to know, will it affect me a little bit inland? And we don't know that. You know, there's going to be these outer bands here, John, that are going to come on shore, maybe a rain shower. You can see one right there in Georgia. A big one right down through here in Florida. But there's no way to predict whether one of those ends up over Washington, D.C. or New York City as it gets closer to the northeast. There is just no possible way to predict that. We can predict where the eye is going to be. We can probably predicts its size, about 80, 85 miles per hour. Yesterday Hurricane Center was thinking 90. That's still not out of the question. You can see the eye here in this three-dimensional depiction of what the radar looks like. The eye is right down there in the middle. Hurricane hunter aircraft flying through it right now. Finding the pressure going down, wind speeds picking up, and the storm doing exactly what we thought it was going to do. This storm by tomorrow is going to be affecting the coast of South Carolina right through there and then it's going to be affecting the coast of North Carolina with onshore waves probably six to 10 feet tall. Over washing beaches, washing away beaches, maybe washing away some roads, certainly some devastation to the homes along those beaches as it does move right on up toward the north to the northeast. This is as close to approach to D.C. and New York. Sometime around 2:00 tomorrow. Is it close enough to make a lot of rain? No. One band, maybe. Now is it close enough to make some showers and rain in Boston tomorrow night? Yes, absolutely. That's about 8:00 tomorrow night and then it moves over Newfoundland, and all the way out even to Atlantic Canada, completely gone. That's the good news. The computers are agreeing. I think all you need to do is stay out of the water, stay away from the windows if you're in the Carolinas. You'll be fine but these things still could get stronger. We'll watch it for you tomorrow if it does John.
[Berman:] Certainly looks like it will keep you busy, Chad, over the next few days. Thanks so much for that. We all do need to keep a close eye on the storm over the next 48 hours, and you can bet CNN will. Our other big story tonight, action being taken to mean what is being described as a different kind of threat to what is sadly a traditional target air travelers. Ever since Richard Reid tried and failed to set off explosives in his sneakers aboard a flight from Paris to Miami, there has been a kind of race between the bad guys and airport screeners when they started screening shoes. The bad guys tried explosive underwear and managed to get a guy wearing a pair of them onto a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. The fact that he and Reid failed to make their bombs detonate was welcome but not entirely comforting. After all they both did make it pass security. Tonight the fear is that one or more bomb makers that come up with an even harder-to-detect device. Jim Sciutto now on what's being done to answer that threat.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] They are the first line of defense for the American homeland foreign airports with direct flights to the U.S. And now the Department of Homeland Security is directing those international airports to step up their security screening. In a written statement, DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said, "We are sharing recent and relevant information with our foreign allies and are consulting the aviation industry." Among the changes passengers may see, more screening of electronics in shoes, more explosive detection machines and in some cases extra screenings at boarding gates. Driving the new directive is increasing concern that terrorists from al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or AQAP are refining bombs designed to avoid detection by current airport screening methods.
[Seth Jones, Rand Corporation:] Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has long looked for vulnerabilities in airport security and in particular finding ways to put together bombs using non-metallic material that can make its way through metal detectors but also try to hide bombs in body crevices that will not be easily identified by some of the newer machines in placed at airports.
[Sciutto:] This is the man believed to be behind the threat. AQAP master bomb maker Ibrahim al-Asiri. In recent months, U.S. officials have warned that Asiri and AQAP terrorists trained under him were improving designs of new explosive devices such shoe bombs that could fool screening systems. We spoke about the new measures today with former DHS secretary, Michael Chertoff. [On Camera] How concerned should flyers be about what this means about the threat?
[Michael Chertoff, Former Homeland Security Secretary:] I would be mindful of the fact there is probably increased risk. I don't think it's dramatically different. I wouldn't not fly. The good news here is that the government sharing information with others and other parts of the world is responding to this.
[Berman:] Jim Sciutto joins us tonight. Jim, how does the U.S. ensure that these new measures are adhered to at these overseas airports?
[Sciutto:] Well, it's a good question. Because of course the TSA does not do the screening overseas. It does it here at home. But they do have liaisons in these airports where they can observe, they can share intelligence, and share these news measures that they want to be implemented. But, you know, another question I asked Michael Chertoff, the NSA DHS, rather, secretary under George Bush, was, you know, how well do they do this when we make requests like this? He said, listen, they want to cooperate. They are a long-term relationship here but one challenge is they often don't have the resources at these overseas airports. We're talking particularly about Europe and the Middle East here. They don't have the resources we have here and that's a challenge. It's something that they have to be conscious of.
[Berman:] All right. Jim Sciutto, thanks so much for that. Let's dig deeper now with Tom Ridge, who served as secretary of Homeland Security, the very first one, during the George W. Bush administration. Mr. Secretary, what do you make of these new security measures? Is the implication here that these overseas airports don't have what it takes right now to protect the U.S. from these emerging threats?
[Tom Ridge, Former Homeland Security Secretary:] A couple of takeaways if you don't mind, John. One, there is obviously a consensus within the intelligence community both in the United States and elsewhere that it's a serious threat. Two, my sense is that this is probably a new kind of threat. I've learned that this is out of Syria. It involves a different approach toward a traditional target, and that's commercial aviation. Ever since 911, commercial aviation has been very much a part of the threat stream that the countries have had to deal with, but my sense is this is about a new kind of approach, a new process and potentially a new technique emanating from a subgroup out of Syria.
[Berman:] A new kind of threat that requires these changes and these new measures in place. The U.S. can't technically force the airports to change but they can threaten to suspend service to the United States, which I suppose no airline or airport ever allow. How can the U.S. make sure that these changes are being taken seriously?
[Ridge:] I think, again, because there's mutual recognition, remember a lot of the European carriers are government owned and when government intelligence services speaks to those who operate those airlines, I'm quite confident that there is a consensus, that whenever these new measures are, and clearly, John, I think there'll be some visible changes, but I also suspect that working together with our colleagues and allies across particularly Europe, you'll see some there'll be changes that are not detectable by the through the naked eye. So I think the fact that you do have that consensus within the intelligence committee clearly wraps it up. By the way, they can always take off if there is any pushback. The FAA can say you can't land.
[Berman:] Right.
[Ridge:] But I don't think that's a real problem here because I think there's serious recognition that an emerging threat toward a traditional target and we're going to have to start doing things differently than we've done them before.
[Berman:] So let's talk about the measures. We're hearing the measures can include additional screening of shoes and electronics, additional explosive trace machines or those swabs we all know about. Maybe another screening at the gates, as well. Do these measures address what you think and where you think these airports are most vulnerable?
[Ridge:] Well, I think again without knowing the specifics so I have a pretty good idea the nature of the new the emerging threat, for the time being the kinds of responses that we have to take that doesn't mean that over the next several weeks or several months there may be additional response, as even more technology, and I have to remind everybody that, you know, American, the Western world, we look at our watches all the time. They are in no rush. We have watches, they have time. And we've seen before, I think, this is if the information I have and others have, this is they have learned from the Detroit bomber over remember this guy in Detroit, on Christmas Day, they've learned from the cargo plane that a plot a couple of years ago. And so what we try we can't be static but neither are they. They will look for new means and new techniques to bring the same kind of horror and destruction that they did on 911.
[Berman:] You have a lot of experience dealing with threat situations. Now officials today are saying it doesn't stem these measures don't stem from a specific plot or a specific threat, so what kind of threat does it stem from?
[Ridge:] Well, my sense is, and I think it's very important to note, John, that even way back when in those early days of Homeland Security, we met more often and concluded we shouldn't go public, then we went public. So my sense is that there have been and I know there have been multiple meanings over the past several weeks to see if there is enough information, enough credible information shared not only by us but other intelligence agencies to talk about the threat. And it doesn't necessarily have to mean that there is a specific threat on a specific date or a specific target, but if they are aware of a new technique or a process, this is a signal to not only to our allies and our friends but to them that we're watching you.
[Berman:] All right. Former Homeland Security secretary, Tom Bridge, thanks so much for your time.
[Ridge:] Thanks for having me. Thank you.
[Berman:] We have one other breaking item on the homeland security front. Just moments ago, federal authorities in Denver unsealed a criminal complaint alleging an American woman along with others tried to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, the organization ISIS, the Sunni extremists fighting in Iraq and Syria. The woman charged, Shannon Maureen Conley. The 19-year-old was arrested in April trying to board a flight for Turkey. She has been under investigation since last fall. According to the complaint, she intended to wage jihad against non-Muslims and repeatedly referred to U.S. military bases as targets. Quick reminder from us, make sure to set your DVR so you can watch 360 whenever you'd like and next, we'll take you to the town that said no to buses full of undocumented immigrants. We will speak to the mayor about being on the front lines. And later, a look inside the powder keg called the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as hour by hour the fuse there burns short.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thanks so much for joining me. We want to take you now to Yemen home to the branch of al Qaeda that claimed responsibility for those deadly Paris attacks. One of the group's leaders saying the incident was years in the making and masterminded by U.S. born cleric, Anwar al Awlaki. He's alleged to have met with one of the Paris gunmen. We're getting new details about the trip one of the Kouachi brothers made to Yemen. CNN is the only major news network in that country. I want to bring in now senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh. What have you found out Nick?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, much of the focus of the investigation is not really when Said Kouachi and most likely too his younger brother Cherif, were actually in Yemen. We know there were a number of trips particularly focused on 2011 when Cherif is essentially thought to have used his brother's passport to come into Yemen perhaps legally and of course, the focus is did they meet Anwar al Awlaki, the U.S. citizen killed by a drone in that same year who is said to be the operational planner by al Qaeda in Yemen's lengthy statement. We're learn today from an interior ministry official speaking to CNN that in fact in their data base of immigration here they believe that the first trip, the first record they have of Said Kouachi coming to Yemen is in August 2009. That is significant because it does mean it's possible that he was the roommate of the man known as Underwear Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who tried to blow up a plane to Detroit in Christmas in 2009. They could potentially have roomed. That's been alleged here by witnesses. And the official the interior ministry official goes on to say they believe there were two or three subsequent trips after that lengthy one going on potentially as long as 2012. Now that doesn't really tell you other information received but it's new detail and it starts to paint a picture really here giving a sense of the exact dates in which the elder Kouachi brother was in country and now the focus is when did the younger come here and most importantly who did they meet and what did they do, what did they bring back with them from here to France Carol?
[Costello:] All right. Nick Paton Walsh reporting live from Yemen thanks for that interesting information. I want to talk more about that information with former CIA operative and CNN intelligence analyst Bob Baer. Bob thanks for being with me.
[Robert Baer, Cnn Intelligence Analyst:] Carol good morning.
[Costello:] Good morning. So what do you make of that? One of the Kouachi brothers was in Yemen in August of 2009, which says he probably roomed with the Underwear Bomber, right. And then there were two or three subsequent trips. Nick Paton Walsh said that painted a picture. What does it paint for you?
[Baer:] I think Nick is right. I think what we're seeing here is this was more of an organized attack. It wasn't homegrown. The more evidence we see the larger number of cells that come into play. The connections with Belgium and Spain all tell me that this was an organized plot. And you know, we go on about lone wolves and rest of it, I don't think this was. It was probably funded out of Yemen. These guys were sent there to get training and guidance. Make sure that they were thoroughly vetted and the rest of it. This looks like an organized attack with more evidence we see.
[Costello:] Remember back in September when President Obama outlined his strategy against ISIS and used Yemen as a success story in terms of how the U.S. fights terrorism? Let's listen to that.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.
[Costello:] Were there successes in Yemen?
[Baer:] Well, no. I mean, I don't think you could ever characterize it honestly as a success. Yes, that we did hit some targets. Yes, we did assassinate al Awlaki. Fine but that's not enough to stop a movement like this. The only thing that can stop violent jihad is a strong central government, for instance in Saudi Arabia where locals crush these movements. At any place there's problems is where there's a failed state. Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Mali you can go down the list Nigeria, of course. And without a strong central government there's nothing the United States can do and there's nothing we can say. We just can't describe these places as successes. Even Pakistan is not a success of course.
[Costello:] Wow. So, can you kind of help us explain exactly what's happening so in Belgium there were those raids right? And they found guns there and they found pretty heavy weaponry, explosives they found. They say there are like 180 cells operating within Europe. Are those all connected to al Qaeda, ISIS, Yemen where?
[Baer:] I really have a problem with those names. I just call it violent jihad. I know there is a competition between these groups but it doesn't really matter. They are at war with the West, with the United States. And they will fight us where they can. These North African immigrant populations in Belgium, high unemployment, there's absolutely no hope for these people and what they're doing is they're simply, you know, getting on the Internet and seeing this conflict in the Middle East. They are showing up there. They are getting battle training and they're coming back home. And as I've said for a long time, as long as these wars go on in the Middle East, as long as there are political black spots on the map, there's going to be blowback in Europe. And I would assume one day in the United States. We're much better off than the Europeans because we're able to assimilate our immigrant populations much better.
[Costello:] Bob Baer, thanks for your insight. I appreciate it. Still to come, one woman could know how this attack was carried against France. We're talking about this woman who has possibly fled to Syria. Why can't they track her down? Is she out of reach? We'll talk about that next.

[Berman:] New information. Data deleted from the home flight simulator, The FBI is now reviewing the hard drive from that simulator with the question of who deleted it. What exactly was the data that was deleted and why delete it at all?
[Pereira:] Our Martin Savidge is inside a Boeing simulator. He has been there all week. He has pilot, Mitchell Casado there with him. Let's talk about this news, Martin. Being wiped from the simulator, does that raise any red flags to you.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] I'll have Mitchell answer that. Let me just describe for the layman's understanding. A flight simulator is a big sophisticated computer. Instead of a key pad and a mouse, you are using instruments to input. Deleting of information from a computer?
[Mitchell Casado, Pilot:] It is very much like what martin said, just a matter of deleting files. It has no significant if they use the computer for other things, if they had home use computers, files, stuff like that, would you be deleting stuff.
[Martin:] What about a simulated route that does take a lot of capacity.
[Casado:] You have to delete and add more. I don't see any real significance for the deleting of files.
[Martin:] Or if you thought in some way you are hiding it?
[Casado:] There is that possibility but it is so normal. It is just almost like
[Martin:] I think really what we are saying is that the computer forensic experts are going to have to figure that one out.
[Berman:] They are looking at that and trying to retrieve the lost data. I'm sure they are also looking at lower data that wasn't lost, about where he was simulating flights to and what kind of operations he has been doing. One other bit of information, this 12-minute gap between when the pilot, co-pilot, someone in the cockpit changed the computer settings, 12 minutes later, the last point of vocal contact. Martin, I understand you have a demonstration to help us better understand that.
[Martin:] Mitchell, if you would, put us in flight. We are going to put the simulator in action here. So stand by. Remember, this aircraft is now programmed exactly like flight 370. We are on the way to Beijing. Everything about this is plugged into this system. We talk about the course change that as it is now being reported was implemented and inputted into the navigation system 12 minutes in advance. Is it possible one of the pilots did it without the other one knowing? Maybe. Maybe the guy was in the bathroom. Once they are seated at the controls, you look at this. This is the navigation display. Now, let's show you what should be here and then we will put in what would look like the route to Beijing. This magenta line, that's the way to Beijing. Anybody looking at that screen, even me, what do you see? This huge and very obvious turn. That turn is a major deviation away from the course. It was clear for at least 12 minutes from both perspectives. That change was coming. It is a red flag, a flare in the night. This plane is going to do something very dramatic. What does it mean? It means that both pilots were in on it or one pilot was going to make the turn and the other couldn't do anything to stop them. In other words, incapacitated.
[Casado:] Yes.
[Savidge:] Or it could be maybe they anticipated an emergency and were planning to make this turn. All we know for certain is, as you can feel, "All right, good night," and then the turn is starting. It was pre-programmed and they had to know it was there. The other thing we should point out, when it was entered into the system. The message was sent to Malaysia Airlines. They too should have known 12 minutes in advance their plane was going to go way off course.
[Pereira:] Substantially off course.
[Berman:] Completely different course all the way to the west.
[Pereira:] That was really interesting. I hadn't thought about the fact that maybe one pilot knew and the other didn't. If the screens have the same information and you see it change.
[Berman:] Of course, our thanks to Martin Savidge and Mitchell Casada. Ahead for us AT THIS HOUR, were the pilots looking to land because there was an emergency on board? This is a very popular theory. That's been burning up the Internet. It is on the Internet. Could it be true? We'll tell you what the evidence really shows right after this.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln Host Of "dr. Drew On Call" Show:] Good evening. I am Dr. Drew. More than 43 million adults suffer from some form of mental illness. It is bizarre that we treat brain diseases different than diseases of other organs. It is bizarre that we stigmatize people with these disorders, and it is wrong that we allow this to continue. Mental illness is not a choice any more than it is to have any other illness such as cancer. And, of course, like any other illness, mental health and mental illness is treatable. May is mental health month. As part of HLN`s initiative, we present "#RedFlag." It is a special one-hour documentary about real people with real problems. And, what happens when mental illness meets social media. And, we will be live tweeting, using the #RedFlag. And, as you watch this program, know you are and your loved ones are not alone. There are people and services to help. And that those with mental illness can and of course do get better. They get better with treatment. After the show, I will be back with our regulars, and we will answer your questions and tweets and discuss what all of us can do to address mental illness. "#RedFlag" starts now.
[Kelley, 31-year-old Female With Bipolar Disorder:] There are lots of Klonopin.
[Kelley:] I post all day on my social media. I just want to find other people that are bipolar like me. You all are just making my brain hurt.
[Terry, Kelley`s Mother-in-law:] You need to get the help and you have to stick with it.
[Greg, Kelley`s Husband:] If she does not do therapy, I will have to move on. And, I will choose him over you.
[Andrew, 21-year-old Male Suffering From Depression:] Five years ago, my brother Michael committed suicide. And, the first thing I wanted to do is I wanted to end my life.
[Matt, Andrew`s Brother:] He uses social media to vent out what he is feeling inside. He is sick. He needs help.
[Rod, Andrew`s Father:] It is not your father`s fault that things are in this situation.
[Andrew:] I got to get out of here.
[Matt:] He is a ticking time bomb.
[Kelley:] Oh my God! My name is Kelley. I am 31 years old.
[End Video Caption Kelley:] I had a pretty traumatic childhood. My mom was bipolar. It made me feel really scared.
[Kelley:] And, then when I was a teenager, I was raped. It made me feel detached from my own body. I post all day, every day on my social media because I just want to, you know, be heard. Tell me why you do not look so happy? Because I just took my medicine and it is not working right.
[Greg, Kelley`s Husband:] Kelley and I, when we first met, we just hit it off. Kelley was just she was so outgoing, a magnetic personality. I fell in love with Kelley almost instantly.
[Kelley:] Greg made me feel like I was worth something, you know? I never had that feeling before. Greg is like the ultimate love of my life. We have two kids, Isabella and
[J.j. Greg:] Isabella is 10 years old. J.J is 8 years old.
[Kelley:] After I had J.J., it is like my brain started slowly slipping away from who I was into this other person.
[Greg:] There was a change in Kelley emotionally. She was easier to anger. She retreated in. She just was not herself.
[Kelley:] I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder, posttraumatic stress disorder.
[Greg:] Kelley came from a broken home. I know it is one of the reasons that has made the bipolar worse.
[Kelley:] Whenever I do not feel anything, you know, I will cut my arm like with a steak knife. I feel a release while I am doing it. But afterwards, all I will feel is pain. Greg started taking away the knives. He is worried about coming home and finding me dead. I really just want to go back to the therapist`s office. I do not want to be out here with everybody. I like to post my feelings. I hash tag, you know, bipolar and depression and stuff like that, because I just want to find other people that are bipolar like me. If you are happy and you know, take your meds Yehey! It is KTV. It is time for one of you all`s favorite number one hit. The first, let`s take some Klonopins. Everything I post affects Greg, because he checks my pages. And, you know, sometimes I will say bad things about him. Sometimes I feel like my family would be better off without me.
[Greg:] I feel like I am at my wit`s end where physically, mentally, I am exhausted.
[Terry, Kelley`s Mother-in-law:] Greg is mother and father to Izzy and JJ and kind of like mother-father also to Kelley.
[Greg:] Move, so I can help them out.
[Kelley:] My marriage is about to crumble. You know, my kids are hurting. Without Greg and the kids, I do not know how long I would last.
[Andrew, 21-year-old Male Suffering From Depression:] My name is Andrew. I am 21 years old.
[Andrew:] Growing up, I had the all American family. I had three brothers. Brian, he was the oldest brother, followed by Mike then Matt, then me. As I was growing up, me and Mike had more of a closer relationship than my other brothers. Our moods would really effect each other a lot.
[Carol, Andrew`s Mother:] They they got along great. They just they always did.
[Andrew:] Five years ago, my brother Michael committed suicide at the age of 24; by the way of a gun at a shooting range. Ever since then, my family has just it has not been the same.
[Rod, Andrew`s Father:] This is when the time he needed me.
[Rod:] Mike was suffering from some physical issues. He had had back surgery, and he had ongoing pain from that. And, so he was on a lot of pain medication.
[Andrew:] There should have been something done way earlier to intervene and give Michael some help. And, I think that my parents did not pay enough attention. So, you know, maybe the medications he was on or how much he was taking. And, I am on some of the same medications today. Some of the mental illnesses or disorders that I suffer from have been anxiety, depression, posttraumatic stress disorder, back issues. Definitely chronic insomnia. And, Twitter has been my source of kind of venting and therapy almost in a way these last few years.
[Matt, Andrew`s Brother:] He uses social media as a platform to vent out what he is, you know, truly feeling inside. Because he does not know how to communicate it to his parents.
[Andrew:] Hi, mom. Are you ready to take medication? Since Mike`s passing, my mom`s health definitely took a turn for the worst. My dad has pulled away more and more over the past few years. I actually dropped out of college so that I can move back home to take care of my mom. She has anxiety and depression and different physical disabilities. Hey, mom, I know you were not hungry but you want at least a couple of bites of sandwich?
[Carol:] Maybe, just put foil over one for now.
[Andrew:] Are you sure?
[Carol:] I do not feel like eating it right now.
[Andrew:] OK. Because my mother and I both suffer from anxiety and depression, it is hard when I am trying to be positive with her and take care of her, and she is just giving me nothing but negativity back. This house is a toxic environment.
[Matt:] Lately, he is exhibiting even more bizarre behavior. My friends who follow Andrew on social media and would comment like, you know, "What is wrong with Andrew?" "Have you seen some of the things he has been posting lately?"
[Andrew:] After Mike`s death, all I can think about was that my brother was not here anymore, and that my mom is just like a wreck. And, all these things have mounted up and I was alone in my thoughts. And, the first thing I wanted to do is I wanted to end my life.
[Matt:] Andrew`s health is at stake. I am afraid that if Andrew does not seek help, get out of the house that he will fall into the same fate as Mike. He is a ticking time bomb.

[Blitzer:] And the breaking news, some more mysterious information just coming into CNN from the Malaysian Air Force. The Malaysian Air Force says it has now traced the last travel of Malaysia airlines Flight 370 to Pulau Perak. That's a very small island in the Straits of Malacca, according to the senior Malaysian air force official. The official declined to be named because he's not authorized to speak to the news media. But the official says that about 2:40 a.m. local time, the civilian and military radar lost all contact with the aircraft. The Strait of Malacca is in the body of water that separates the Malay Peninsula from the Indonesian island of Sumatra. It's many hundreds of miles from the usual flight path for aircraft traveling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. So, it was way, way off course, according to this Malaysian Air Force. No explanation, obviously, given. Still no sight of any debris. No sight of this airliner. Peter Goelz is joining us right now. He's the former NTSB managing director. So, the Malay this Air Force official from Malaysia, Peter, is now saying the plane was hundreds of miles off course from where it would have been going if on a normal route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. What do you make of that?
[Peter Goelz, Former Ntsb Managing Director:] Boy, it's even more perplexing. But I think what it starts to narrow the options down. If this report is true, it means a couple things. One is, was there someone unauthorized in the cockpit, ordered the transponder turned off, ordered the plane to fly, you know, 90-degree turn off course. Second is, did one of the pilots do it themselves? Is this something that was commanded by one of the flight crew? It's really increasing the concerns. But you've got to zero in now on the flight crew and their background. Were they in any kind of financial difficulty? Were there other concerns being raised? And you've got to go look at who was on that plane.
[Blitzer:] The two pilots, one I think 53 years old, very experienced. The younger co-pilot, 27 years old. Obviously a lot less experienced. Both Malaysian pilots. Both seemingly with good reputations. But there have been histories, and you can remind us, of when pilots deliberately wanted to bring down their aircraft. I'm referring to that Egypt Airline crash
[Goelz:] Exactly.
[Blitzer:] And that Silk Airline crash. But tell us about those.
[Goelz:] Well, both. In both cases, the NTSB determined that the pilot
[Blitzer:] And is it that is it that easy, Peter, to simply push a button and the transponder goes off and then no one can monitor where that plane is heading?
[Goelz:] It is not difficult. You can either you can either turn the transponder off in the flight controls in front of you. You can because you can use it to squawk for a hijacking. Or you can turn the circuit breaker off, which would shut down both the transponder, you can shut down the voice recorder, you can shut down access to the data recorder. So and in the case of Silk Air, that's precisely what the pilot did during the final moments of that flight.
[Blitzer:] Hold on for a moment because I want you to react to this next report. Andrew Stevens is joining us now, our correspondent in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. So update our viewers, Andrew, what we're learning precisely and what it may suggest.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, we're hearing, Wolf, now is that the last reported position or the last position the plane was seen was over a small island in the strait of Malacca. Now, this is on the opposite side of the country of Malaysia to the flight path where it's supposed to be going. So what we can tell you at this stage is that the plane officially was last contacted and was last seen at a way point heading towards Vietnam on its way towards Beijing. Then the transponders apparently were switched off. The secondary or the it was still able to be tracked by radar. It's called primary radar. The plane then did what apparently it looks like a u-turn. It went back across the country of Malaysia to the other side, the west coast, which is the Strait of Malacca, and was last seen that on radar over a little island which is in the middle of the Strait of Malacca, between Malaysia and Indonesian, about 200 kilometers or so, 150 miles or so off the west coast of Malaysia. That's what we're hearing at the moment. We don't know what happened then. But the actual plane disappeared, the radar contact disappeared at around about 2:40 a.m. That's about two hours after it took off and about an hour after the its last official position, just as it was entering Vietnamese air space from Malaysian air space. So at this stage, Wolf, looks like evidence is growing, the Malaysian air force, we're hearing we've been talking to a senior air force official here. He can't give his name, because he's not he's not responsible for speaking to the media. But certainly he is telling us this is what the situation is, where this plane went. So we're talking about looks like basically a u-turn back across to the other side into the Straits of Malacca.
[Blitzer:] So basically what you're saying, Andrew, based on this information from this Malaysian air force official, is the search that's been underway for four days, that search has been going on in totally unrelated waters, right? They haven't even started this search. If you hear where this plane disappeared, this Malaysian air force official, saying it disappeared hundreds of miles away.
[Stevens:] Well, no, Wolf, they have been searching in that area. They've been gradually expanding the search, expanding the search. They began the search looking over the last known contact point of that plane. But as the days have rolled on, they have started searching across the Straits of Malacca. It's been a little bit difficult to follow because the authorities have obviously been aware of this for some time but they haven't let this information out. But by looking at what they're doing with the search pattern, that pattern has been going further and further out across the Straits of the Malacca into where that air where that plane was last seen and sort of unofficially, if you like. Just, from my understanding of this, Wolf, when the plane was last officially seen, the transponders were on. It was sending a signal which verified it was that particular aircraft. When the transponders were turned off, a primary radar, which is used by both the military and the civilian authorities, continued to track the plane or track what they thought was the plane. They couldn't actually confirm whether it was the plane. But certainly it looked like it was the same plane carrying on, but just veering off and going back over Malaysia. So that alerted them to the fact that they had possibly turned around, and they started searching in that area a day after the initial search got going in the area where it was last officially seen. So, yes, they are looking in the Straits of Malacca. That search extends ever further out at this stage. No indication that they found anything.
[Blitzer:] They still haven't found anything. I assume they're searching not just over the waters but over land as well, nearby land, is that right?
[Stevens:] Correct, yes. The search area includes basically the spine of Malaysia, if you like. And on into the waters of Malacca. On the other side of that is Indonesian, the island of Sumatra. At this stage, I'm not aware that they're searching on the island of Sumatra, but certainly searching on the mainland of Malaysia as well, because if this information is correct, and it very much looks like it is, that plane would have crossed over. But its last actual what they think its last position was, was the islands of this Paola Paraq [Ph]. It's a tiny little rock basically in the middle of the Straits of Malacca. It's a rock roughly in the middle of the straits between Malacca and Indonesian Sumatra. So it's suggested the plane was flying over water when it was last seen.
[Blitzer:] I want you to stand by, Andrew, because we're getting more information. And, once again, we want to welcome our viewers in the United States and now around the world, as well. We're following the breaking news, a Malaysian air force official now telling CNN this plane was way, way off-course. Looked like it made a dramatic u-turn. Malaysian air force radar tracking this plane for an hour after the transponder apparently was shut down. Peter Goelz is still with us, former NTSB managing director. Peter, give us your analysis of what we just heard in that report from Andrew Stevens in Kuala Lumpur.
[Goelz:] Well, I think the most important thing is that finally government officials are starting to come clean with exactly how much they know from other radar sites. You know there was it was clearly this is a busy strait. It's a busy air space. There had to be other radar units tracking this flight and where this flight showed up. TWA Flight 800 had eight different raiders that were monitoring it at any given time. If this is true, it really is zeroing in on what was going on in the cockpit and why. And it's once they started to expand their search in the opposite direction of where the flight was headed, that was the tip-off. They knew something was going on.
[Blitzer:] And what's so intriguing, Peter, and I want your analysis of this, it looks like at least for an hour that aircraft, that Boeing 777, was flying without its transponder on.
[Goelz:] Right.
[Blitzer:] So somebody had deliberately or maybe there was a mechanical failure or whatever, but that transponder was off for an hour at least if you believe this Malaysia air force official.
[Goelz:] That's correct. And it's you know it's you have to have a very deliberative process to turn the transponder off. And if someone did that in the cockpit, they were doing it to disguise the route of the plane. I mean there might still be mechanical explanations on what was going on, but those mechanical explanations are narrowing quickly.
[Blitzer:] Is it theoretically possible that the transponder just breaks down for whatever reason, but the rest of the flight is OK? That you can fly a commercial airliner like that, a Boeing 777, without any other problems, even though the transponder has collapsed or failed?
[Goelz:] Well, I mean, there are redundancies throughout the aircraft. You now, having a transponder go down does not shut down your communications. The flight crew can still communicate. They would be informed that the transponder was down. They could communicate with flight controllers. This kind of deviation in course is simply inexplicable.
[Blitzer:] Yes, I totally agree. Hold on for a moment. Andrew Stevens is holding by holding on in Kuala Lumpur, Peter Goelz. Jim Sciutto is our chief national security correspondent. You've been doing some digging and some reporting on the latest developments and the intriguing comments, Jim, from the CIA director, John Brennan, that he's not ruling out terrorism. In his words, quote, "not at all." What else are you hearing?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, no question. I mean, first of all, truly remarkable developments today. The idea that one, the plane in a completely different location than was originally thought. In fact, on the other side of that peninsula. And two, also the circumstances vastly different from the working theories. A sudden event that disabled the aircraft or brought it down. In fact, made a u-turn and was flying for an hour. So and these, of course, then changed the calculations about what the possibilities are. As you say, had an opportunity to ask the director of the CIA a question about this this morning. He was speaking at a Council on Foreign Relations event. So I asked him about this transponder being turned off and does that give him any further suspicion, the agency any further suspicion that this was an act of terror. His response was that they are still looking at that as a possible explanation. That they have not ruled out terrorism for this flight. And he mentioned another a number of other questions that were raised as a result. One, turning off the transponder. You know, the possibility of these passports and so on. So it looks like they're keeping these lines of inquiry open. And, of course, as the circumstances change, that makes something like this more plausible. And it is different, and I will say, Wolf, because you and I have had a lot of conversations about this in the last few days, he left the door open to terrorism more so than U.S. and intel officials have been doing in the last even 24 hours.
[Blitzer:] He certainly did, when he emphasized the words "not at all" and then he himself in response to another question spoke about terrorists are still out there, they're determined to go after aircraft. He was the one that seemed to be suggesting maybe there is we don't know maybe he knows a lot more, obviously, than we know. Maybe there is some sort of connection. Let me go back to Andrew Stevens in Kuala Lumpur. Andrew, you're there in Malaysia and there's been some criticism of Malaysian authorities for not sharing all of this information with other countries, with other investigations that have now been underway. Are they sensitive to some of that criticism we're hearing about the Malaysian investigation?
[Stevens:] They're definitely sensitive to it. And they come back and say we have been as open as we possibly can, Wolf. And they are, quote one of the U.S. commanders in the seventh fleet is saying how impressed he is with their handling of the rescue or the search operations and the fact that there does seem to be a reasonably open line of communication. But certainly there has been a lot of criticism, particularly from the family members. Just want to go back to something of what Jim was saying about leaving the door open on the two passport holders because Malaysian police, over the past 24 hours or so, have been have been steering the line of this investigation into much more of a this more likely a people smuggling operation than anything. If you think about there were two Iranian nationals who traveled on these passports. One was 19 years old, one was 28 years old. One was going on an Austrian passport, the stolen Austrian passport, on a flight that took him from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, on to Amsterdam and then to Frankfurt. His mother is in Frankfurt. The other one traveling under an Italian passport was going to Copenhagen. That was the final destination there. And they say this looks at this stage, at least, more likely to be a people smuggling operation and perhaps an asylum-seeking operation than a terror a terror concern. So that's what we're getting on the ground here. Certainly they are getting criticized for not having enough information going out, Wolf. They say they're doing what they can.
[Blitzer:] All right, stand by, Andrew. Jim Sciutto is our chief national security correspondent. Jim, you wanted to weigh in.
[Sciutto:] Yes, I just want to clarify. When I said the CIA director was leaving the door open, not to those passports being a terrorist event, because that's the same information we've been getting since yesterday, that it fit a pattern, U.S. intelligence officials have told me, of human smuggling rather than tied to any terror event.

[Romans:] Oscar Pistorius is back in court today for sentencing in the killing his girlfriend. It's the final phase in the murder trial that gripped the nation. Last month, the athlete was convicted of killing model Reeva Steenkamp. Pistorius faces several years in prison, although the judge has a lot of discretion here. Could go easy on him. CNN's Kelly Phelps following the latest developments, really following the whole trial for us. She's in Pretoria, South Africa. And Kelly, explain this process for the American audience here. How can a sentencing hearing take days potentially?
[Kelly Phelps, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Well, because this is discretionary sentencing, the judge is not guided by a piece of legislation or statute. Essentially both sides have the opportunity to put witnesses and evidence before the court that they feel is relevant if terms of being either aggravating or mitigating factors. They will then give their suggestions of what an appropriate sentence would be in this matter in order to assist the judge in guiding her discretion. She will then eventually have the task of making that final determination in conjunction with other cases and recognize sentencing principles as well as the evidence that is being put forth before her. So it is in a sense a sort of mini trial.
[Romans:] A mini trial. Could take another couple of days. And she has a wide, wide bit of discretion, Kelly, in what her sense is. We know you'd be following it for us. Thank you so much, Kelly Phelps. 5:51 this morning, search teams today scouring the site in the Ukraine where the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH-17 crashed. Officials will be collecting the remains of bodies and personal belongings of the victims. Ukrainian authorities will be then transfer the findings to a Dutch team you know, forensic team have so far identified 272 people of the total 298 on board. The aircraft shot down by a missile, investigators say, over eastern Ukraine back in July. Still, still trying to process that scene. Hong Kong students today facing off with police clearing protest barricades. Demonstrators turn to social media calling on protesters to reinforce other barricades. The students have invaded major districts in the city for three weeks in a row now. They demand they are demanding voters have a larger say in choosing the city's leader in the 2017 elections. National Security Adviser Susan Rice revealing what she knows about North Korea's Kim Jong-Un. In an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press" she said there is no proof that the North Korean leader is out of power. Listen.
[Susan Rice, U.s. Ambassador To The United Nations:] Chuck, obviously, we're watching carefully what is happening in North Korea. It's a country that we monitor with great attention. We have not seen any indications of the transfer of power at this point in North Korea that we view as definitive. But we'll continue to watch it carefully.
[Romans:] Kim has not been seen publicly in more than a month. There are rumors that he was deposed or that he is ill. A group of defectors even says they believe his younger sister may be running the country while he recovers. All right, 52 minutes past the hour. Stocks tanked last week. Tanked. Is the selling over or just beginning? We're going to get an EARLY START on your money next.

[Harlow:] Bowe Bergdahl has been a free man for more than a work now, and as for his physical condition, today we're getting nothing directly from the military hospital that is treating him in Germany. They haven't released a Bergdahl update in several days. The "New York Times" did get information from a source they call, quote, "a senior Defense Department official". CNN's Karl Penhaul is in Germany with that.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Even getting the medical details here on the ground has become very tricky because of the political firestorm around this case. The medics here at Landstuhl haven't issued any update about Bergdahl's health status since before the weekend and they're citing a patient privacy for this. And then this morning, when they saw the details coming out in the "New York Times" their first reaction, maybe the senior Pentagon official that talked to the " New York Times" may be he's violated patient privacy laws giving out these details. So as far as the medics in Landstuhl are concerned Bergdahl remains stable. His condition is improving and he is taking a greater interest in the health care program that's being set out for him. But what we know from the "New York Times," is that really Bergdahl is showing no signs of any serious physical problems. He has a gum problem and he has a skin problem. That poor nutrition and then the extreme conditions the weather conditions he was exposed to. The "New York Times" also says he weighs 160 pounds. That, for a guy who's 5'9" is a pretty good weight. No sign that he's emaciated there.
[Harlow:] So how likely is it in terms of how is the process likely going to look in terms of recovery, both physically, emotionally, mental recovery? I want to bring in Terry Lyles for that. He's a combat stress coach. He's also a psychologist. Thanks for joining us about this. I appreciate it.
[Terry Lyles, Psychologist:] You're welcome.
[Harlow:] You know, when you look at this, you were saying something earlier this week that really stood out to me. You said, even though he will come home not missing a limb you have to look at it and look beyond that not being gone because so much of him has been taken the emotional trauma, the mental trauma. Talk to us about that. Because I think for so many people, they may see him and it may look like the Bowe Bergdahl they knew.
[Lyles:] Well, and that's the classic way I try to describe post traumatic stress issues is that most of it is psychological if it's not physical, you can't see it. And many times over the years from any war deployment, when people come back with emotional scars you don't see those scars and you have to read through that. So he's been through five years of trauma, regardless of what happened, how it went down.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Lyles:] But he's going to have a new awaken and a different kind of trauma even getting back to his family, because it's such a different scenario than he's been used to and there's an acclamation time, a debriefing time, and that process just takes a period of time. And everyone is different on how they matriculate through that process.
[Harlow:] I did want to talk to you a lot about that acclamation. Because, you know, in terms of that reuniting with their family, that's not the first step at all. This, I think, is what officials call the third step in this long process.
[Lyles:] Correct.
[Harlow:] But a lot of times when someone who has been in a terrifying scenario like this, they can only really reunite with their family at first for a moment of minutes. It is that overwhelming.
[Lyles:] Well, you have to look at it like exposure overload, you know? I mean he's going through a step down process to make sure medically that he's ok, nutritionally as a part of that he's ok, psychologically that he's ok. But there's nothing like seeing a family member or something familiar to him from five years past or eight years past, whatever it really was total. That will bring on a whole set of emotions, a different set of reaction. And you've got take that in baby steps because that itself can be very, very overwhelming and could actually put him back into a bad situation that he doesn't want to go to and medical people don't want him to go to either.
[Harlow:] And you know, we've been told by a senior U.S. Official, that indeed, he is in well enough health that he could talk to his family on the phone from the hospital there in Germany. They could actually go there to meet with him in person, as far as we know that hasn't happened yet. He hasn't talked to them on the phone, hasn't seen them there. Does that surprise you, or is this going to be a matter of weeks before he's potentially ready to be reunited with family, maybe not until he's back here in the United States?
[Lyles:] Well, first of all, it doesn't surprise me because everyone as everyone grieves differently, everyone transitions differently, and it's not uncommon. I do a lot of this. I hear a lot of stories and help these individuals acclimate back to society. You've really got to meet them where they are. And you know, if he's not willing to reach out yet or has been advised we don't know that
[Harlow:] Right.
[Lyles:] he may have been advised not to reach out yet. So regard of the situation, you've got to really take it slowly. And whether it's a phone conversation or a brief, you know, in person meeting with his family, everyone's going to have to weigh in on that and make sure it's the safest thing for him and his recovery process that's going to take him the rest of his life.
[Harlow:] Yes. We appreciate the expertise. Of course, no one knows. Really he's the only one that has these answers but you've been around people in this situation before and have seen what it's like for them to go through it. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming in for us, Terry.
[Lyles:] You're welcome. Thank you.
[Harlow:] California Chrome, that horse's image may now be tarnished, not because of disappointing fourth place finish yesterday but because of his owner's critical words after the race about other horses in the race. You're going to hear what he said. We'll talk about that, next.

[Baldwin:] I just wanted to look at some live pictures here. 8:15 at night in Copenhagen, Denmark. This is a candlelight vigil. And this is the city that is reeling merely two days after a string of deadly shootings. Two people were killed in the attacks in a cafe and at a synagogue. Now, two men today are behind bars in connection with those deadly attacks in Denmark. Their defense attorney says they have pleaded not guilty to charges of accessory to murder and accessory to attempted murder. They're accused of helping the suspected gunman get rid of his weapon and give him a place to hide. That suspect is dead. Police found him after some surveillance pictures showed him getting into a taxi after one of the attacks. That driver gave police the address. And then when officers appeared, the gunman began shooting, police shot and then killed him. That was hours after the suspect opened fire in a cafe during the free speech forum. In fact, there was a Swedish cartoonist known for his controversial drawings of the Prophet Muhammad who was there. The BBC has obtained a chilling audio recording of the moment the shots rang out.
[Unidentified Female:] Why do we still say bus when we [gunfire]
[Baldwin:] One man, a filmmaker, was killed in that attack. Three officers were injured. Hours later, more gunshots, this time at a synagogue during a barmitzva. A security guard was killed there. TV 2 and Reuters are reporting the suspect is Omar Abdel Hamid El- Hussein. Danish officials say there is no known link to a terror cell at this point in time, but he is linked to a criminal group. So let's talk about that with CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank, author of "Agent Storm: My Life Inside al Qaeda and the CIA," about a former Danish jihadi turned CIA spy. Beginning with this first. Obviously, you know, when you hear about this cartoonist and the controversial depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, you know, it jogs back not too long ago to what happened in Paris and the "Charlie Hebdo" attacks and police are saying that they're not necessarily ruling out that as a possible motivating factor. What do you make of that?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] I think, quite likely, it's been an inspiration. I mean we saw exactly the same kind of target in Denmark as in Paris and Paris was against a kosher market, against a cartoonist. Well, in Denmark, against an artist, who's responsible for a controversial depiction of the Prophet Muhammad
[Baldwin:] And a synagogue.
[Cruickshank:] And also a barmitzvah party just outside a synagogue.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Cruickshank:] So very, very similar targets. Somebody who appears to have been radicalized in prison, was a gang member, known to Danish security services for being a gang member but for not for being an extremist. They didn't know that he was radical. That was a surprise to them. But he just got out of prison a couple of weeks ago, so it's quite possible he was radicalized there while he was in jail.
[Baldwin:] That's the thing. We've talked about that before, how other wannabes jihadists are taught, are radicalized behind bars. And when you say they're members of gangs, you say there's a real problem in Denmark, in particular, with young, disenfranchised Muslim youth who have access to weapons because they're members of a biker gang, let's say. How does that take someone from that step to becoming jihadi?
[Cruickshank:] Well, that's absolutely right. And there is a particular nexus in Denmark between these gangs and jihadi circles. And for a lot of people inside the gangs, there's sort of a jihadi mindset that they have that sort of justifies their criminality because it's all against the infidel west. And also for some of them is a sort of redemption, a sort of born again in Islam-type dynamic that goes on. So we've seen gangsters who have moved from Denmark to go and fight in Syria and Iraq, you know, and, you know, even just recently people have gone over there and come back. So there's this real nexus between gangs and jihad. That's very, very worrying for Danish officials because, as you said, the easy access to weapons, even explosives and all this kind of stuff, all the kind of resources of the criminal underworld are available to these people.
[Baldwin:] But when I think of similar conversations we had in this regard in Paris, and we had those two attackers who had, especially one of them in particular, who was radicalized because of certain leaders in certain cells in France, who would have radicalized this attacker in Denmark?
[Cruickshank:] Well, that's going to be a big part of the investigation. But right throughout Europe, and even in the United States, there's a real problem of prison radicalization in Europe particularly. A lot of young Muslims are being sent to jail. And when they go to jail, some of them are mixing with these terror convict who are spreading this ideology. It's a real, real problem. In France now they're so worried about it that they are talking about separating the general prison population from these terror convicts, so you can't have this kind of proselytization that goes on. Remember Amedy Coulibaly who carried out that attack in Paris against the kosher market
[Baldwin:] Yes. Yes.
[Cruickshank:] He was radicalized in jail. One of his mentors was an al Qaeda operative who'd been in Afghanistan with bin Laden.
[Baldwin:] Final question. If we're saying he is if he was perhaps acting alone, yet you have these two other people who were arrested who may have helped him carry this out behind the scenes, do we know anything more about those people behind bars?
[Cruickshank:] We don't know anything more about their identity at this point.
[Baldwin:] We don't.
[Cruickshank:] Were they perhaps two other gang members who were also radicalized or just friends of his, but they appear to have obviously known what he was planning, which is obviously very concerning that there were at least potentially three people involved in these plans, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] OK, Paul Cruickshank, thank you very much. We'll stay on it. We'll talk next hour I believe as well. Before the deadly attacks in Copenhagen, Swedish artist Lars Vilks was already at the heart of the controversy involved free speech in the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, as I mentioned a moment ago. And he's actually lived with death threats since he drew the Prophet Muhammad as a dog and that was merely a decade ago. Saturday, he was in that cafe, in the Danish capital for this forum on free speech, when the gunmen attacked. And today this cartoonist tells CNN that he is now in hiding but that he is not afraid. CNN's Atika Shubert gives us a closer look at this artist and activist who now faces threats every day of his life.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] This is what happened when Swedish artist Lars Vilks spoke at an art and free speech lecture in 2010. He was punched at the podium and then cries of "Allahu Akbar" descended into a brawl. It's an occupational hazard for Vilks. He receives daily death threats and regularly sweeps his car for explosives. All because of a picture he drew in 2007 of the Prophet Muhammad as a dog. That landed him on al Qaeda's hit list with a $100,000 bounty on his head. Here's how he explained it in a 2010 interview.
[Lars Vilks, Artist:] This should be a small thing really, to insult a religion. You cannot make exceptions for religion. I mean that's the point. I mean this should be the same rules as we have for Christianity or the Jewish religion or whatsoever, that we should make an exception. Islam is not more holy than the other ones.
[Shubert:] But Vilks did not start this latest round of controversy. In 2005, the Danish newspaper, "Jyllands-Posten," published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, including one with a bomb atop the prophet's head, sparking protest for Muslim communities across the world. For many Muslims, any images of the Prophet Muhammad is seen as blasphemous. Even worse, depictions that deliberately insult the prophet. CNN has decided not to show any of these images. But for Vilks and his supporters, it's a matter of free speech, and that is why Vilks was speaking in Copenhagen on Saturday when a gunman opened fire killing one man and injuring three police officers. Danish police have shot dead a man suspected of carrying out the attack, but have yet to reveal his identity or motive. But police are investigating it as a terrorist attack. Vilks and his supporters, however, already have an answer. They believe Vilks and his works of art were the targets of violence yet again. Atika Shubert, CNN, London.
[Baldwin:] Atika, thank you. Coming up next here on CNN, a cease-fire in Ukraine hanging on by a thread as both sides are massing forces as this violence continues. We're live in Donetsk and eastern Ukraine coming up. And as ISIS terrorists brutally killed these Egyptian Christians in Libya, Egypt takes swift action, launching airstrikes, but does this change the strategy for the U.S.-led coalition? Stay right here.

[Michael Holmes, Cnn Anchor:] Details of terror plots that they say were prevented by the surveillance programs now causing so much controversy.
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] Just a short time ago we saw the deputy director of the FBI. He told a House panel that more than 50 plots now have been disrupted. He outlined specifically four of them, including two targeting New York. Listen to this.
[Sean Joyce, Deputy Director, Fbi:] In the fall of 2009, NSA, using 702 authority, intercepted an e-mail from a terrorist located in Pakistan. That individual was talking with the individual located inside the United States, talking about perfecting a recipe for explosives. Through legal process, that individual was identified as Najibullah Zazi. He was located in Denver, Colorado. The FBI followed him to New York City. Later, we executed search warrants with the New York Joint Terrorism Task Force and NYPD and found bomb making components in backpacks. Zazi later confessed to a plot to bomb the New York subway system with backpacks. Another example, NSA, utilizing 702 authority, was monitoring a known extremist in Yemen. This individual was in contact with an individual in the United States named Khaled Hosseini. Hosseini, and other individuals that we identified through a FISA that the FBI applied for through the FISC, were able to detect a nascent plotting to bomb the New York Stock Exchange.
[Holmes:] And Dana Bash was the first the report this story. She joins us now from Capitol Hill. Dana, you know, the other two plots that we heard about involved plans to attack a Danish newspaper that published that controversial cartoon of the Prophet Mohamed and unspecified terrorist activity after 911. Two of those plots we hadn't heard about before. How significant in the big picture are these revelations and how much did the surveillance program have to do with it as opposed to traditional law enforcement?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] I honestly think the jury is still out on the answers to both of those questions, Michael. Two as you mentioned, two of the plots that we just heard about in public testimony were ones that we didn't know about. One with regard to the national the stock exchange and then one with regard to some surveillance that they were doing after 911. It was a dead end a dead end investigation and then it was brought back to life because of, they say, surveillance of phone records. But, you know, they're certainly they put some more meat on the bone. They made this more tangible for Americans to understand. They certainly went through a lot of the details and the safeguards in these programs about why it really is, for example, in a kind of an easy to understand way. One of witnesses said it's really just like and with regard to the phone records just like what's on your phone bill. It just has numbers. You don't know whose names are attached to those. You certainly don't know the content of the phone calls. Still, you know, with the people that they're talking to on this panel, they're preaching to the choir effectively. Almost all of the people on this panel are members of the Intelligence Committee, obviously, but they are supporters of this program. And that's the whole reason they're having this particular hearing because they want to have some of the details put out there so that people understand really how it works and, more importantly, people, they hope, come to support the program because they become convinced it saved lives. Unclear if this hearing, so far, has done that.
[Malveaux:] And, Dana, there's been a lot of talk about and you mentioned this before early this morning, unpacking or more digging behind these terror these alleged terror plots. Do we expect that they are going to go before this panel and provide more information or there will be more information made to the public, more specifics, more details in terms of how they are linked to these surveillance programs and what actually was the plan?
[Bash:] Well, it sounds as though, at least right now, it's just these two terror plots, these two new terror plots, four altogether that they talked about today, that they are giving details about in public testimony, that they've declassified information about. But as you mentioned at the top of this program, the NSA director did say that there are at least 50 terror plots that they know of that these programs were involved in, debunking and stopping, but they can't talk about that in open session. So they're going to come to Congress tomorrow, come to the Intelligence Committee and give that information to members of the Intelligence Committee in a classified setting. That certainly will help them in sort of alluding to these things in public and to their constituents, but it's not going to help make the case to skeptical Americans that these programs are worth it. That they have the right balance between civil liberties and protecting their safety.
[Malveaux:] And just want to remind our viewers here, those four terror plots that were uncovered here if we can put that on the screen again it was a plot to bomb a New York subway system, which we already knew about. The second one, which was the new information coming out of the hearings, the plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange. We learned more details behind that. And then the other one, a plot to bomb a Danish newspaper that published the Mohammed cartoon. Of course that was very much in the news and a lot of details that we already knew about that one. And, finally, this one that seemed to be some new information. This was the terrorist activity shortly after 911 attack that was thwarted. Dana, thanks. We're going to delve a little bit deeper into this. This is all a part, of course, the effort to quiet the uproar over these secret surveillance programs. A lot of people have questions about this. The NSA says they are really trying to balance the issue about privacy, but at the same time national security.
[Holmes:] Yes.
[Malveaux:] Let's listen in a little bit more from early this morning.
[Gen. Keith Alexander, Director, National Security Agency:] As American, we value our privacy and our liberty our civil liberties. Americans as Americans, we also value our security and our safety. In the 12 years since the attacks on September 11th, we have lived in relative safety and security as a nation. That security is a direct result of the intelligence community's quite efforts to better connect the dots and learn from the mistakes that permitted those attacks to occur in 911. In those 12 years, we have thought long and hard about oversight and compliance and how we minimize the impact on our fellow citizens' privacy. We have created and implemented and continue to monitor a comprehensive mission compliance program inside NSA. This program, which was developed base on industry best practices in compliance, works to keep operations and technology aligned with NSA's externally approved procedures. Outside of NSA, the office of the director of National Intelligence, Department of Justice, and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court provide robust oversight, as well as this committee. I do believe we have that balance right.
[Holmes:] All right, let's bring in national security analysts Peter Bergen in Washington, Fran Townsend via Skype from New York, a lot chief political analyst Gloria Borger is standing by in Washington. Peter, let's start with you. Your assessment of the information that we heard. I know you've written in the past about how a lot of these plots were uncovered by traditional law enforcement, not so much the dragnet, if you like. What's your read after hearing it?
[Peter Bergen, Cnn National Security Analyst:] I think the ball was advanced very slightly today by what we heard on Capitol Hill. We knew about the Najibullah Zazi plan to attack the subway in New York. We knew about David Coleman Headley's plan to attack the Danish newspaper. Both have been said to have been stopped by NSA surveillance. I think on the latter plot, it's the reporter whose done the best reporting on this, Sebastian Rotella ProPublica actually says that it was a tip from British intelligence that led us to David Coleman Headley, rather than NSA surveillance. But be that as it may, the third plot we heard about, to plan to attack the New York Stock Exchange, is new. The case itself is not. There were a group of guys who were sending money to al Qaeda. There were court documents in the United States show in 2007 that these guys did some you know, plead guilty. What we did find out today is they had some sort of nascent plot to attack the New York Stock Exchange. But does that amount to literally dozens of terrorist plots being averted, which I think was the message that we received last week. And I think that the 50 plots that were eluded to today, obviously they're going to be remain classified. But my guess is, most of those are overseas or perhaps people sending money to overseas terrorist organizations. The plots that we know exist in the United States have almost overwhelmingly been stopped by traditional law enforcement. Tips from the local community, you know, informants, undercover officers, these kinds of traditional police methods.
[Malveaux:] Fran, I want to bring you into the conversation here. One of the things that we were hearing about, we've heard about these four different plots, and the number 50 that stands out, at least 50 terrorist incidents, and then the four, why were these four selected? What makes these four different? Why do you suppose they're highlighting these particular four as opposed to the 50? Will we learn more about these other alleged terrorist plots that are interrupted?
[Fran Townsend, Cnn National Security Advisor:] Well, Suzanne, I look, General Alexander made pretty clear this morning, members of Congress will get briefed on the what he called describes as more than 50 examples. I think that they picked the four that they picked because two of which, as Peter Bergen just mentioned, that the Zazi case and the Headley case, we knew already. The other two they picked one that was what they call a 702 case. That's, yes, you have to target someone, a none U.S. person, overseas involved in terrorist activity. That's the case where the individual had contact from Kansas City, Missouri, to some unknown terrorist in Yemen. And they lured them and they arrested them and prosecuted them. So that case is over. That's why they picked that one. The other one is a 215 case. That's the business records session of the Patriot Act where they got subscriber information for a San Diego telephone number. This is a case that had gone cold after 911. And not until 2007, when they got a lead from NSA, were they able to get the subscriber data that ultimately led to an electronic surveillance. Clearly involving material support, financial support for terror the al Qaeda affiliate in Somalia. You know, that one is they haven't given as much detail. They haven't really made the case why the expansive authority for the telephone toll records. And I think the details are what are going to persuade the American people that this is necessary. So they as Peter says, we advanced the ball some today, but, frankly, they're going to need to do more, I think, to persuade the American people about the necessary of these programs.
[Holmes:] And on that note, Gloria Borger, on the political aspect, does this help this president politically or is he going to have to do more?
[Gloria Borger, Chief Political Analyst:] I think it look, it's hard for them because what they'd like to do is put the genie back in the bottle and they'd like not to talk about any of this at all. But they can't. It's out there. We know it's out there. And the American public doesn't trust its government. I mean you see the numbers on that. And so but they want to be protected. And, you know, a majority of Americans say, OK, this is fine. But if we're going to approve a certain amount of big brotherism, if you will, you've got to kind of show us why. Help us out here a little bit. And I believe actually that it's good to have General Alexander talk about it. We understand the problems with declassifying everything. But I also think it had to come from the top. And we know that the president has given some press interviews, he's encouraged this conversation about the balance, you know, between liberty and national security. But at some point the president's going to have to lead the conversation because after all this is the same person who railed against a form of these kind of surveillance when he was a United States senator. So I think it may be more incumbent upon him at a certain point after they unroll this, as they're clearly trying to do, to come out and speak some more about it to the American people.
[Holmes:] All right, Gloria, thanks so much. And Fran and Peter as well. Appreciate your contributions on this. There's a lot more to come, one imagines, isn't it?
[Malveaux:] It's ironic, actually. I mean, you know, under President Bush, all this really put into place. Under President Obama pushed more so now.
[Holmes:] Uh-huh. Yes. Uh-huh. Yes.
[Malveaux:] Yes.
[Holmes:] And it's still unfolding as we speak and there's going to be a lot more on this story throughout the hour. We're going to get reaction from workers at the New York Stock Exchange for the news that, as you were just saying, they were apparently targeted in one of these thwarted terror attacks.
[Malveaux:] We're also working on other stories for AROUND THE WORLD. Watch this. Tear gas. Rubber bullets. Riot police. These are protesters filling the street in Brazil. They say the government is spending too much on the World Cup and the Olympics and making the poor foot the bill. Stay with us. We'll have more.

[Brown:] The outrage over racially charged comments allegedly made by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling is beginning to boil over. Sterling reportedly is caught on tape saying, among other things, that he doesn't want his girlfriend associating with African-Americans at Clippers games. The inflammatory comments were posed online by TMZ Sports.
[V. Stiviano:] People call you and tell you that I have black people on my Instagram and it bothers you?
[Donald Sterling:] Yes, it bothers me a lot. If you want to promo broadcast that you're associating with black people. Do you have to?
[Stiviano:] You associate with black people.
[Sterling:] I'm not you and you're not me. You're supposed to be a delicate white or a delicate Latina girl.
[Stiviano:] I'm a mixed girl.
[Sterling:] OK. Well,
[Stiviano:] And you're in love with me. And I'm black and Mexican, whether you like it or not. He happens to be black and I'm sorry.
[Sterling:] I think the fact that you admire him. I know him well and he should be admired. And I'm just saying that it's too bad you can't admire him privately. And during your entire
[Brown:] So take a look. This is the Instagram picture in question showing his girlfriend with the legendary hall of famer Magic Johnson. Basketball fans, players, owners are demanding a swift response from the NBA. And CNN has confirmed the NBA will hold a news conference tomorrow morning about its investigation. CNN is also confirming that some Clippers sponsors are pulling out. Online auto retailer CarMax and Virgin America Airlines announced today that they are ending their relationships with the ball club. State Farm says it's taking a pause in its relationship. And the stakes here are high for the fans, the city. Should there be an all-out boycott? That's the question at this hour. And here to discuss that and more, CNN Sports, Rachel Nichols, and syndicated columnist and host of the "L.A. Urban Roundtable," Earl Ofari Hutchinson. Great to have you both here with us.
[Earl Ofari Hutchinson, Syndicated Columnist:] My pleasure.
[Brown:] Earl, I want to start with you. I just looked at your blog and you say that Sterling is no aberration. He has a tainted history in the city of Los Angeles, having been sued by the federal government for housing discrimination. So why shouldn't people be surprised by what's come out?
[Hutchinson:] Well, actually, I wasn't. And I've got to say, most people that know his history of Donald Sterling and his relationship, by the way, with the Clippers and the city of L.A., they were not surprised. I mean this is typical Sterling. I mean we've got a long history, a well-documented pattern with Donald Sterling. There have been lawsuits. There have been allegations of harassment. There have been many claims against Donald Sterling over the years. There have been settlements with the with many government agencies. And on top of that, Donald Sterling, by his own admission, at time has made statements that, to say the least, are intemperate. So, no surprise about that. I think the bigger question is, why did this go so long? How did this happen over so many years? You've got to remember, Donald Sterling has owned the Clippers for 30 years. He's been a fixture in L.A. Been so much a part of the social and political tapestry of L.A. for so many years. How could this happen? And now that it has happened, the bigger question is, what does the NBA, at the end of the day, he's your baby, he's one of your owners, what are you going to do about it?
[Brown:] Yes, that is still the looming question. In light of what you just said, Earl, do you support a boycott of the team?
[Hutchinson:] Well, originally, when it came out, many people were saying, we've got to boycott, we've got to boycott, we've got to do this. Here's what we decided to do. We said, no, we're not going to go with the boycott for a couple of reasons. Number one, it's grossly unfair to the Clipper players. These young men have sacrificed. These young men have honed their craft. These young man have paid diligent attention to their professionalism. They're in the fight for their life for a championship. I don't think it's fair for them and even the fans that loyally have supported them to make them pay, to penalize them for the stupidity, the dumbness, the ignorance and the bigotry of an owner. I don't think that's fair. However, having said that, the position that we did take, and many other thoughtful people have taken too is, those that feel strongly and we hope anyone of certainly right mind would, that feel strongly about the statements and also the conduct of Donald Sterling should use their own judgment, voice their protest anyway they can or want to. And if they feel that we cannot as individuals support this team in anyway shape or form, then go right ahead. You should do that. Exercise your own judgment, but do something, take some action.
[Brown:] And we saw the players doing that when they turned their shirts inside out in a showing of solidarity. Rachel, I want to go to you. You're in Charlotte right now covering the playoffs. This story moving very fast. What are the next steps for the NBA here? What can the NBA commissioner do here?
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Host, Cnn's "unguarded With Rachel Nichols":] Well, Adam Silver, the new commissioner, who, by the way, has only been in office for less than three months, is going to give a news conference tomorrow. A lot of hope around NBA circles is that he's going to announce an indefinite suspension for Donald Sterling until this matter can be investigated further. However, there is a limit to what he can do. The NBA constitution is a secret. It's not a public document. But from what has leaked out, there does not appear to be any way to force Donald Sterling to sell this team. There's a vague sort of best interest in the game power that the commissioner has and that's what he may use eventually to fine Donald Sterling, although Donald Sterling is worth $1.9 billion. So, how much of an impact is a fine going to make. He could suspend Donald Sterling maybe for a year, maybe even two years or even indefinitely. And the idea and the hope would be that if he made him so uncomfortable, if he was removed from day to day operations, if sponsors are pulling out the way that they are, there would be some way to convince Sterling, hey, it's in your best interest and the interest of everyone else to sell the team. That's what happened with the former Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott, who was in a similar situation. But Donald Sterling's not Marge Schott. He's proved himself to be a verily litigious guy. He holds on to everything. He is not a guy who is probably going to go gently into the good night. This is going to be a fight. It's going to be very interesting to see how Adam Silver handles this.
[Brown:] And, Rachel, we've heard from some of the other owners around the league, including Michael Jordan. He said that he is completely outraged. How much are these other owners giving to get involved in this? How is that going?
[Nichols:] Well, Earl's absolutely right, these other owners have stood by and let what has long been considered the worst one among them stand as a member of the NBA ownership community. Nobody just woke up this weekend and realized Donald Sterling had a problem. This has been allowed to let pass. So I think that other owners are feeling now, thankfully, some of the public pressure and heat over that. We've seen some of the more new guard owners come out and say, hey, this is not acceptable. But to their credit, even some of the old guard owners have come out and said the same thing. All of that being said, the politics that come down in the end of this
[Brown:] Yes, it will be so interesting to see how this all plays out. Earl, I want to go back to you. The NAACP rescinded a humanitarian award that it was going to give him I think I believe next week. Were you surprised that he was even going to be getting this award in the first place given his track record?
[Hutchinson:] No. Because you've got to remember one thing, and I wrote about this in one of my columns in 2009. The NAACP now, let's be clear on one thing. We're not talking about the national NAACP. We're not talking about the California statewide NAACP. We're talking about the L.A., Los Angeles NAACP. There's been some confusion about that. Now, what happened was, in 2009, many people forget this, Donald Sterling got an award. He got a lifetime achievement award from the NAACP L.A. branch in 2009. I opposed it then. I said, you, the NAACP, are the oldest venerated most venerated civil rights organization in the country. Why are you doing this? Why are you giving this award to an individual that has no merit whatsoever in the battle for civil rights, equal opportunity and equal justice. It seems to me an award from the NAACP must be given to someone who's earned their spear spurs in the civil rights battle. Sterling doesn't qualify. So now we fast forward five years. I said then it's going to come back to haunt you if you continue to do this. Well now we see it has come back to haunt the organization.
[Brown:] Yes, you can imagine it's a bit of an embarrassment for them to say the least. Earl Ofari Hutchinson, Rachel Nichols, thank you so much for sharing your perspective and insight. And be sure to stay with us. In just about 10 minutes from now, L.A. Clippers head coach, Doc Rivers, will be speaking to the media and we'll be sure to bring that to you live. And coming up, at least 16 are dead after powerful twisters flattened homes in the plains and the south. And more bad weather is on the way. So, what could be in store for this afternoon, in just a few minutes. And next, as investigator enter a new phase of the search for Flight 370, experts say it could take months to find anything. So, what they say could be the key to locating the missing plane. That's next.

[Baldwin:] More fallout on this V.A. story here, this just into us at CNN. The Veteran Affairs secretary has now rescinded a bonus that one of his directors received just last month. The director, Sharon Helman, who led the Phoenix V.A. hospital, big time under fire now for CNN revealed the existence of doctored wait lists that showed vets getting treatment in a timely way when that was not happening. The real wait lists showed, according to sources that 1,400 to 1,600 sick vets waited as long as 21 month to be seen. So this woman, this Director Helman, received a bonus of nearly $8,500 last month, and now V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki is taking it back. No word as far as what will happen to the bonus Helman received last year. She is on administrative leave. And now to the NBA, dropping bombshell charges against L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling, the "L.A. Times" reports that the league says Sterling asked companion V. Stiviano to lie about his racist comments that, as you well know, went public. The charges are compiled in a 30-page document summarizing why Sterling should be forced to sell his team. The "L.A. Times" says the document not only accuses the 80-year-old of asking Stiviano to lie, but also says team president Andy Roeser knew about the recording before it went public and that he offered a staffer not offered, I should say ordered a staffer to erase it. So here now with me, "L.A. Times' " Jim Rainey who helped to break the story wide open. And I read this first thing this morning and, Jim, let's first talk about what specifically what do you have on Sterling as far as what he told V. Stiviano?
[James Rainey, "l.a. Times" Columnist:] Well, what we have is this declaration that was made by the chief investigator, David Anders, for the NBA, and what he said was that he talked to Stiviano, and kind of amazingly, she's at this hotel, the Four Seasons in Beverly Hills. Donald Sterling is there with her. And she and the two of them meet in this conference room, and he allegedly tells her, Hey, let's just tell everybody now that that is not my voice on the tape or that you doctored the tape and let's kind of smooth this whole thing over. In addition he tries to get her to settle the lawsuit which his wife Shelly has filed against her, and says, look, if you settle the suit, make a payment, I'll pay you kind of sub rosa and make you whole on that. So that was all stuff we hadn't heard before.
[Baldwin:] That was new, also the stuff about Clippers president Andy Roeser discussing this recording with Sterling what, was it two weeks before it came out?
[Rainey:] Yeah, it was actually on April 6th, so it was a little bit or April 9th, rather, so a little more than two weeks before this all broke on April 25th. And what happened is they got a text message with a part of the recording attached to it. An employee got it with the Clippers, handed it to Roeser. He listened to it. He in turn had Mr. Sterling listen to it. And then they decided, well, apparently Mr. Roeser ordered this employee to destroy the copy of the tape and or the recording and also destroy it on her main computer. She had it on her phone and they destroyed it there and then destroyed it on the main Clippers computer. So that was never known before, either.
[Baldwin:] And a quick reminder on Roeser, he is now where?
[Rainey:] He has been ordered suspended by the NBA, so he is on the sidelines right now and he has not said anything publicly about all this. Of course everybody would love to talk to him, because he'd been the Sterlings since he was in his early 20s, for about 30 years.
[Baldwin:] OK. All right, thank you so much, Jim. I appreciate it. Because I am being told in this final 60 seconds I have on this show, Chad, I see you putting on a suit.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] Chad Myers, walk toward me my friend, because what are we hearing? Breaking news in the world of weather, a tornado warning
[Myers:] For Metro Denver.
[Baldwin:] Denver?
[Myers:] Really Commerce City, moving to the northeast, and this thing has had a history of very, very large hail, as well. There's rotation in the storm. It is moving to the northeast, away from the city of Denver, but it's moving right toward the airport. Now that is still Denver. The airport has been annexed by Denver, so if you're near the airport or anywhere in that northeast corridor of Denver, you need to take cover right now. This is a tornado warning with a rotation, very significant, like a tornado developing or already on the ground.
[Baldwin:] Chad Myers, thank you so much for that. And just a final, because we had to go so quickly, Jim Rainey and his colleague Nathan Fenno with "L.A. Times," read the article in the "Times." He said he's got more to come, as well. That's it for me. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me. "THE LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts right now.

[Whitfield:] Police are investigating a bizarre murder case in Pennsylvania. A couple, married only three weeks or so, is accused of killing a man for the thrill of it. Investigators say the couple has confessed. They're facing several charges including homicide. Alexandra Field joining us now from Sunbury, Pennsylvania. So what do we know about the connection, if any, between the couple and the victim?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Fred, we know that this newlywed couple was new to town. They had just moved here a few weeks ago from North Carolina. And police say they found their victim using the Internet. According to investigators, Miranda Barber and her husband Eliot Barber posted an ad on Craigslist offering paid companionship services, and that's how they met a 42-year-old married man Troy Laferrara. Miranda now tells police that she picked up Laferrara at a local mall on November 11th. And that once she got him in the car, she stabbed him repeatedly. Investigators say her husband Eliot, of just three weeks, her husband was hiding in the backseat of that car and that he held a rope around Laferrara's neck. Both newlyweds are now charged with homicide. And here's what they're telling police.
[Chief Stephen Mazzeo, Sunbury, Pennsylvania Police:] She tells us that they intended to kill somebody together. They had tried to kill other individuals and failed. And this happened to be one that actually worked.
[Field:] What did she tell you?
[Mazzeo:] She told us that her husband was not involved. She told us that she did this alone. That she had blacked out during part of the process and she doesn't remember all of them.
[Field:] Laferrara's body was found left in a Sunbury backyard. Police say he had been stabbed 20 times Fred.
[Whitfield:] Oh my gosh. So now what in this case?
[Field:] OK. Well, at this point the court case will move forward but the investigation won't stop. What we do know is that Miranda Barber has a 1-year-old child and that the father of that child is deceased and that death will now be investigated or will continue to be investigated and this investigation could move out of this state. As we do know the couple had just moved here Fred.
[Whitfield:] OK. Alexandra Field, keep us posted. Thanks so much. All right. Here is something that you could probably relate to. Who doesn't fall asleep on a plane every once in a while? Of course most people do wake up within time. Well, Tom Wagner he didn't. And when his United Express flight landed in Houston no one even noticed him. Hours later, when Wagner woke up in the cold in the dark plane, he called his girlfriend for help on the phone. Workers finally arrived to let him out asking him to keep all of this secret. Well, as you know now, he didn't.
[Tom Wagner, Passenger:] I said don't put the blame on me. I said, I did nothing wrong here. They didn't sweep the plane? I mean, who shut the door?
[Whitfield:] The airline did apologize and said it is now investigating. In 38 days the federal government could shut down again. That is when the U.S. runs out of money for many programs like Head Start, free school program. Will Congress take action to stop it from happening or go home for Christmas break without a new budget deal? Chief political correspondent Candy Crowley joins us next with the odds.

[Ivan Cabrera, Ams Meteorologist:] A good foot to 16 inches in some areas. But as we take you farther to the east by the time we get into Monday, there will be warm enough air, guys, where I think New York is going to mix and turn over to rain and freezing rain and that is a mess for the morning commute and Boston does get several more inches of accumulation and winter storm warnings posted there as well. I think New York will be OK. They have to be careful as you're traveling and probably not need the shovels there.
[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Good to know.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] Enough for Boston. Enough for Boston.
[Cabrera:] Enough, but it's more.
[Blackwell:] Yes. All right. Thank you, Ivan.
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[Paul:] We will never forgive forget or forgive, rather. That is the message from Japan as the nation mourns the apparent beheading of a Japanese journalist. The question now is what will happen to the Jordanian fighter pilot also in ISIS hands.
[Blackwell:] It was almost three years ago that her mother was found dead in a hotel bathtub. Now, the daughter of Whitney Houston is found in similar conditions as the young woman now fights for her life this morning.
[Paul:] Plus, just days after Mitt Romney bows out of the 2016 presidential race, a new front-runner could be emerging. Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is finding himself in the top of a key battleground state. Your NEW DAY starts now. Always so grateful for your company. Good morning. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you. The silent grieving protesters they are filling the streets in Japan.
[Paul:] And world leaders in the U.S., France, Britain, they all say they will not let ISIS get away with its latest killing of an innocent hostage. ISIS latest victim, this man, Japanese freelance journalist Kenji Goto. A video released by ISIS appears to show his decapitated body. He is the second Japanese hostage killed by ISIS in just a week.
[Blackwell:] We're covering this from all angles. CNN's Will Ripley is in Tokyo.
[Paul:] And CNN's Erin McPike is at the White House for us. But, Will, we do want to start with you. Talk about what's happening in Tokyo as to the reaction of this beheading.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] There was this was not surprising for people here in Japan who had feared that this was going to happen when the latest ISIS deadline passed and there was silence from that terror group as we have seen throughout this hostage crisis. Those periods of silence and, quite quickly, when ISIS posts another video and given that their last threat was that they were going to take the life of Kenji Goto and the Jordanian pilot as well Muath al- Kasasbeh, people here did fear the worse, but that did not mitigate the tremendous shock and grief at the brutality of this video, especially considering the fact that the journalist who was murdered, Kenji Goto, is somebody who people in Japan have really grown to know over the last week. Every major network here has shown his picture and told his story about the work that he did, his passion for going to some of the most dangerous places in the world and telling the stories of innocent people whose lives were in turmoil. And so, the outrage is shared by not only the people, but also Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe as well.
[Shinzo Abe, Japanese Prime Minister:] I feel the strongest anger against this atrocious despicable act. I will never forgive the terrorists. Japan will expand further humanitarian support which is food and medical support to the region.
[Ripley:] Japan, as you know, pledged $200 million to the coalition that fights ISIS. Some have said that his very public announcement of that may have put the two Japanese hostages Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto in danger. Both men are now gone. But the one thing that this video doesn't answer, the big question, what has happened to the Jordanian pilot? He is not mentioned in this ISIS video. So, of course, there is also concern and compassion here for the family of that man as well, al-Kasasbeh.
[Blackwell:] All right. Will, thank you. Let's go to Erin now. Erin, what's the response from the White House?
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Victor, we did get a statement from President Obama last night. I want to read part of that statement with you. He says, our thoughts are with Mr. Goto's family and loved ones. And we stand today in solidarity with Prime Minister Abe and the Japanese people in denouncing this barbaric act. We applaud Japan's steadfast commitment to advancing peace and prosperity in the Middle East and globally, including his generous assistance for innocent people affected by the conflict in the region." Now, I would also point out, Victor and Christi, that we heard this past week from the White House that they are reviewing their policies and protocol in dealing with U.S. hostages abroad because there have been increasing numbers of them. Of course, in this latest case, the Japanese have been involved in negotiations with ISIS and also the Jordanians in the last few weeks, Christi and Victor.
[Paul:] So, Erin, when we hear, you know, the U.S. and Japan and Jordan and Britain all condemning this and vowing to fight, have you heard anything more from the White House regarding ground troops in this battle against ISIS?
[Mcpike:] You know, Christi, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest was asked this question on Thursday. And he reiterated at the time that President Obama does not think there need to be ground troops. I also was speaking with White House official just yesterday who said that White House policy has not changed on this. And this in light of Barbara Starr's interview with outgoing Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel this past week in which he said there may need to be some presence of ground troops overseas in Iraq and Syria, at least for the purpose of intelligence gathering. We also heard that last weekend from John McCain and Dianne Feinstein as well. But again, White House officials are saying no ground troops, that American troops will be in Iraq to train foreign fighters there to take the fight to ISIS and continue with air strikes, but no more ground troops or no ground troops at all rather, Christi and Victor.
[Paul:] All righty. Will Ripley and Erin McPike, we appreciate it. Thank you.
[Blackwell:] All right. Let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes and CNN military analyst, Lieutenant General Mark Hertling. And, General, I want to start with you and the discussion of the negotiations for this pilot. What kind of back channel discussions could the Jordanian government be involved with ISIS? Is there maybe liaison working here? Are they having direct talks? How does it work? LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING
[Cnn Military Analyst:] There would certainly be interlocutors, Victor. I think they are continuing to attempt to discuss the things that Jordan is very interested in and that is primarily the safety of their pilot. They have to find that out. Again, it's dealing with an organization that you can't trust. So, there has to be some kind of commitment that the continuing negotiation will bring about some kind of change, Victor.
[Blackwell:] General, this new video of the beheading of Kenji Goto, the background different from the earlier ones. Earlier, there was this video that was indoors with Goto holding the photo of the other man who was beheaded. What can we learn from this latest video and does it mean anything to the negotiations with Jordan?
[Hertling:] Well, in talking to several of my old friends in the intelligence communities, they think it means a lot, because it shows that ISIS is attempting to continue with the type of operations that they have continued that they have done in the past. But, in fact, they have been affected. So, they have to move the locations around, they have to change their production facility and all of those things in terms of even the quality of the video give indicators of the shape that ISIS is in.
[Blackwell:] Tom, I want to get your thoughts on a conversation we started with General Hertling just a few moments ago, that some people say that swapping prisoners for hostages is better than paying for the release, paying these ransoms. What do you think?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] I think they are both difficult decisions. Paying the ransom, obviously, the money goes into being able to buy more weaponry and fund their operations and just lead to more attacks by them. So, I think that one we know is a very, very difficult choice for anybody to make. And a lot of European countries have been paying ransoms for the hostages that they have had. In terms of a prisoner swap, we have had prisoner swaps, you know, in the military for centuries, although normally those kind of prisoner swaps are done when the hostilities are over. I think the problem here is, when will they ever be over in the Middle East or with Islamic extremism? We don't know. So, does that mean we hold people forever, hold Gitmo open forever, have Jordan hold this person, you know, forever? That is where the difficulty comes in. You don't have a point to really say, OK, all of the hostilities are over, nobody is going to be a combatant any more in the future. Therefore, it's safe to exchange prisoners.
[Blackwell:] Tom, I wonder if any indicators pointing in one direct or another, whether ISIS ever really expected to pull off this exchange, or are they simply highlighting the story of a woman they believe to be a heroine here and this Jordanian pilot isn't even alive?
[Fuentes:] Well, I think many people have trouble figuring out what ISIS true objectives are. You know, my personal thought is that one of their objectives is to extend media coverage as far as they can possibly do it. They just dragged this out for several weeks with the two Japanese hostages. They get it to where all of Japan comes to respect and love Kenji Goto and know all about him and his family and his wife and children, and then they get maximum savagery out of that, maximum terror effect by then killing somebody that everybody has fallen in love with. And I think that here, this Jordanian officer, we have not seen this pilot since he has been captured and taken away somewhere. He's not been used in these most recent videos, especially the ones with the Japanese hostages. So, we really don't know and Jordan doesn't know how well he is, if he is well and alive. Haven't seen any proof of life but they just don't know. Now, it appears that ISIS will drag this out and extend this as long as it goes. We are trying to apply rational thought, well, they are going to get this and they will get money and get a prisoner. They want publicity first and foremost and we are giving it to them.
[Blackwell:] Yes, we are. Tom Fuentes, Lieutenant General Hertling, thank you so much.
[Fuentes:] Thank you.
[Hertling:] Thanks.
[Paul:] Another story that has really caught people off guard. A scene that is early similar to the death of Whitney Houston three years ago but this time it's her daughter. Bobbi Kristina Brown found face-first in her bathtub. We're going to tell you what we've learned about her condition. Also, New York City is the latest state on high alert because of the measles, after thousands of people could have been infected. We are talking to a public health expert about that. Stay close.

[Cooper:] The families of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 are counting the days until their loved one's remains come home. The timing of their return is especially urgent in Malaysia. The country lost 43 people, including all 16 crewmembers and two infants. Their families obviously desperate for the remains of their loved ones to arrive in time for one of the nation's most important holidays. Will Ripley reports from Kuala Lumpur with a CNN exclusive interview with the mother of the chief stewardess.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Millions of Malaysian Muslims are preparing to celebrate. Monday is Hari Raya, the end of Ramadan, when families are together.
[Hasnan Yusof, Mother:] I feel very, very sad.
[Ripley:] But not the families of Flight 17.
[Yusof:] I have to miss her without seeing her.
[Ripley:] Hasnan Yusof's daughter was chief stewardess Dorah Shahila. This picture was taken one day before her final flight. You still wait for your daughter to walk through that door?
[Yusof:] I'm alone, and I will call for her. I want her to come back and [inaudible].
[Ripley:] Twenty-nine years at Malaysia Airlines, thousands of flights, Shahila never worried about coming home, until a few weeks ago on a family vacation, she talked about MH-370.
[Darlina Kwan, Younger Sister:] She said, what if it was her on board? And she gave a scenario, saying that anything can happen on board.
[Ripley:] It almost seemed to you like she knew something was going to happen.
[Kwan:] Giving a hint, but none of us got it.
[Ripley:] Her sister, Darlina Kwan, knew people on both flights. You're a flight attendant for Malaysia Airlines?
[Kwan:] Yes, I am.
[Ripley:] The airport is just a few kilometers from this mosque. The remains of Shahila and the other Malaysians will come here for the prayer for the dead, but first, they must be identified. The process could take days at best, months at worst. Each day and night without a body delays the Muslim tradition of a quick, proper burial.
[Yusof:] We believe that if you don't do that, she will not be in peace.
[Ripley:] Peace won't come until Shahila is home. On a weekend when Malaysian families are supposed to be together, the families of Flight 17 are torn apart.
[Cooper:] And Will Ripley joins me now from Kuala Lumpur. What's the Malaysian government doing to try to support families at the time?
[Ripley:] As you know, Anderson, Muslim custom calls for burial in a matter of hours after death, so the fact that here we are, more than a week after this crash, and these families are watching the images out of Ukraine, that human remains are still being discovered right now, as we speak, it's agonizing for these families. The Malaysian government can't do anything about that, but what they can do is help the people who are on the plane restore some of their dignity, so they've actually sent representatives to oversee the preparation of the remains once they're identified, to make sure that all of the Muslim procedures and practices are followed. So at least when these people finally come home here to Malaysia, the families can have some peace that their traditions have been honored.
[Cooper:] And have you heard people in Malaysia express concerns or thoughts about their national airline, obviously with two tragedies now in such short a space of time?
[Ripley:] Yeah, absolutely. Not only are their concerns about the national airline's safety, now that there have been these two tragedies, there are concerns about the financial stability. This is an airline that, even before these two disasters, was losing $1.5 million a day. And now there's also a perception among many people that the airline is perhaps unlucky. It's going to definitely be a big challenge, but this country is united. They view Malaysia airlines as a symbol of this country and the people here who have endured so much, so much suffering and so much tragedy, and everybody hopes the airline can recover just like these families are trying to recover right now.
[Cooper:] Will Ripley, appreciate the reporting, Will. Thanks very much. And thanks for joining me today. Join me tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern for "AC360." Wolf, live from Jerusalem, starts right after this.

[Unidentified Male:] It`s total chaos here. Motorcycles, black and whites, the people running around. Officers getting out of their cars with their - with their batons, people running. People they`re keeping our cameras away.
[Hammer:] OK, do you remember where you were when this went down? I`m betting you do. Because 95 million people watched the L.A. Police chase O.J. Simpson in that now legendary white Bronco. This wild ride has become one of the biggest moments ever in American pop culture. It all happened exactly 19 years ago to the day. Wow, it`s a "SHOWBIZ Flashback," and I am taking you back 19 years to that iconic moment right now, when O.J. Simpson took over the airwaves and his white Bronco became world-famous. Hard to believe it`s been nearly two decades since O.J. went on his legendary run from the police. Well, when O.J. finally turned himself in, the Football Hall of Famer beat the double murder wrap of his ex-wife and her friend. But, of course, he still wound up behind bars years later on the armed robbery and kidnapping conviction after his confrontation with two memorabilia dealers in a Vegas hotel room. Well, tonight, I`ve got Kato Kaelin, who of course, was a friend of O.J. Simpson`s and a star witness in his murder trial. And Kato, I`m trying to look over and watch you reacting to watching that video. Tell me where you were when that happened? I imagine you were glued to your TV like everybody else.
[Kato Kaelin, Testified In Trial Of The Century:] I was. I was actually with a lot of friends and kept thinking, that`s, like the hugest ad campaign for Ford: 95 million people watching this with a Ford Bronco. I`m in Beverly Hills watching it with a bunch of friends, recognizing certain people. You know the great thing was, there was a game going on. The playoff game, do you remember that? It was a the screen was a small-screen chase. Within a minute it was the big screen and the game was the small screen. And I remember Robert Kardashian reading a suicide letter from O.J. I remember celebrities and athletes calling him, all on the air, saying, "Turn yourself in, O.J." All the while the chase is going on. Surreal. It`s like, you can tell this to people. They`d go, this is not happening.
[Hammer:] Yes.
[Kaelin:] It was so surreal. And then there was the when he finally turned himself in, I see his son running to him and it was this moment of, are the police going to shoot him? Why is an innocent man trying to get away? So it really didn`t make sense. And I was just recognizing people during this entire chase, going, "Why is he why is he doing this?" And there`s people on the freeway, you remember, with signs?
[Hammer:] Right.
[Kaelin:] "The Juice on the Loose." It`s like all these things. You`re going, "This can`t be happening. This is not real."
[Hammer:] Obviously, not a funny story at all.
[Kaelin:] Not at all.
[Hammer:] But as a guy who was friends with him and lived with him on his property in the guest house at the time, when you first realized this was going on, and you saw it on the TV, what`s going through your mind? In terms of, things that, you know, we might not have known about.
[Kaelin:] I think first of all, I want to say that I was really, really close to Nicole and O.J., so I was friends of really both. And what was going through my mind is sort of what I said, is like why is an innocent man trying to get away? Why would he be doing this? And then I was thinking of "Who`s driving the car?" And then they got into talking about his best friend, finding out later on that there was a mask in the car, $10,000. Why would he be doing this and I was thinking, who was driving the car and they got to talking about his best friend, driving the car. A.J., it`s one of those things where you are wondering while you are watching it, how is this going to play out and then we found out later how it plays out.
[Hammer:] All right. I want to roll out a clip that I don`t think we cannot play if we`re talking about big O.J. Simpson moments all these years later. Charles, will you roll this?
[Johnny Cochran, Defense Attorney:] In a knit cap, from two blocks away. It`s still O.J. Simpson, it`s no disguise. It`s no disguise. It makes no sense. It doesn`t fit. If it doesn`t fit, you must acquit.
[Hammer:] I mean, we`ll never forget that, O.J. Simpson`s larger than life lawyer, Johnny Cochran, right there, talking about that bloody glove. When you were testifying back in `95, did you think that the glove not fitting is what would get O.J. acquitted?
[Kaelin:] I think that was probably the biggest point. I think Johnny Cochran knew exactly how to talk to a jury. I think that stuck in their head, that line. It was like a deft polka jam, the first one. Everybody related to what he said: if the glove doesn`t fit, you must acquit. It still prevails today and people still talk about it. I think it was a major, major moment when they show him not fitting the glove.
[Hammer:] Yes. It was interesting seeing you, sitting with you, on the day that the chase happened, 19 years ago. Kato, thank you very much for sharing your story with us.
[Kaelin:] OK. Thanks a lot, A.J. I`ll see you. Thank you so much.
[Hammer:] And make sure you catch Kato Kaelin on his great new show, "The Kato Kaelin Show." It`s online at...
[Kaelin:] DigitabTV.com.
[Hammer:] DigitabTV. Got to make sure I got it right.
[Kaelin:] You got it.
[Hammer:] Let`s move on right now to beauty queens, who are known for their poise and grace, of course. Usually. Sometimes the pageant pressure, though, is just too much. And the latest victim, Miss Utah, big flub at the Miss USA pageant.
[Marissa Powell, Miss Utah:] I think, especially the men are seen as the leader of this and so we need to figure out how to create education better.
[Hammer:] Right now, SHOWBIZ investigates the bling ring, a group of teens who robbed Paris Hilton and several other stars is now getting the Hollywood treatment. Isn`t the film about their crime spree giving them exactly what they wanted? CNN`s Margaret Conley investigates for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
[Unidentified Female:] Oh, my gosh! Serious.
[Margaret Conley, Cnn Correspondent:] Paris Hilton`s expensive and expansive closet raided in a glamorized movie version of real-life crime.
[Unidentified Female:] Police are investigating the connection of the Hollywood Hills burglaries.
[Conley:] For nearly year, a group of Southern California celebrity-obsessed teens targeted the Hollywood homes of their favorite stars and stole more than $3 million worth of cash, clothes, jewelry, art and even underwear.
[Unidentified Male:] I think we wanted to be part of, like, the lifestyle. The lifestyle that everybody kind of wants.
[Conley:] This stolen lifestyle story has now been made into a film by Academy Award winner Sofia Coppola. "The Bling Ring" is based on a brazen Hollywood crime spree that took place in 2008 and 2009.
[Sofia Coppola, Director:] Just seemed kind of sad compared to things we did when I was a kid. And just so timely just about our obsession with this kind of pop culture and reality
[Tv. Conley:] For The Bling Ring, that pop culture obsession was the powerful motivation for their theft, according to psychotherapist Stacy Kaiser.
[Stacy Kaiser, Psychotherapist:] They wanted to wear the things the celebrities were wearing. They wanted to be in the homes that the celebrities were in. And it made them feel like they would have a chance to be famous if they were connected to that famous stuff.
[Conley:] The teens used social media to track the celebrities they targeted, sometimes burglarizing them repeatedly.
[Paris Hilton, Reality Tv Star:] I was just really upset and mad that these kids had done this to me. And felt so violated. Just what they did was so wrong.
[Conley:] In real life, the Bling Ring`s crimes caught up with them: well, sort of. Four defendants served brief jail sentences, and the others were placed on probation. And will the Bling Ring movie give them the spotlight they were craving all along? The filmmaker hopes not.
[Coppola:] I wanted to make it so that they understood how they got into this world but then, you know, wanted to get clear that you don`t want to be encouraging it.
[Hammer:] Maybe we have a little sympathy for Paris Hilton now. That was CNN`s Margaret Conley for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. "The Bling Ring" is set to open nationwide on Friday. Well, there was a much-awaited debut in Hollywood this weekend. Baby Kimye is here and now we want to know when are we going to see her? What will Kim Kardashian`s baby girl be named? It is "The Battle of the Baby Bumps," baby Kimye edition. Kris Jenner made big news about Kim K`s baby, speaking with me on the Daytime Emmys red carpet. But I have got so many secrets and surprises from the show, as well.
[Carrie Fisher, Actress:] Our nominees they take us into worlds we`ve never seen before. Unless, like Ozzy and myself, you`ve taken acid, in which case...
[Hammer:] Carrie Fisher and George Lucas stole the spotlight at the Daytime Emmys. What did George tell us back stage?

[Paul:] Before we head back to Paris we do want to get to the search for the remaining suspects in this week's terrorists attacks, too, but there is another story that we have to talk about, a developing story this morning.
[Blackwell:] Yes, the search crews that are one step closer possibly to answering some of the questions about the crash AirAsia flight 8501. Earlier today crews were able to lift the tail section of the plane off the sea floor and load it into an a waiting ship.
[Paul:] CNN's David Melko joins us live from Jakarta. David, I can imagine the emotions as they were pulling this thing up on the ship.
[David Melko, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, certainly, Christi and Victor, applause and cheers from members on board one of the search vessels out there as they watch this unfold. Certainly not a celebration though. An achievement of three days of the tricky work in underwater conditions with currents that divers said had them sometimes fluttering like flags. When you see the tail section raised onto that ship it really drives home the loss here. There 162 passengers onboard that flight. The tail section hoisted up inch by inch using a crane, also giant balloons. What's interesting is when it kind of opens up on the deck, the portion of the tail, the vertical stabilizer, with the logo attached to the rear, the fuselage. You see some windows on the sides, but in the middle where there were seats and once people, there was just nothing. Images also showing at least one search worker kind of combing through, potentially looking for the black boxes. At this point from search officials there is no confirmation that they have found anything in the tail section that will help unlock the mystery.
[Blackwell:] All right, David, so the black boxes were not connected to this part of the tail. Tell us how you believe they will be able to go back and search again. This is a difficult area. Although it's shallow there is a lot of muck there in this part of the sea.
[Melko:] Yes, Victor, that is right. I'm sure they are talking about moving the tail to shore and taking a closer look, but the fact that they are considering the underwater operation to continue to be a priority now indicating that they don't think they have found anything. One of the investigates here for the NTSC, which is kind of like the NTSB in the United States, saying they thought they heard possible pings again. There were some on Friday and now again on Saturday about a half mile from the tail section. The plan now to send divers into the water with underwater microphones, see if they can pick up the sounds of these pings. The batteries on the pingers have about two and a half weeks left, so still a little bit of time. Complicating the operation, though, is the number of divers, the number of ships in the area. All that can create tricky underwater conditions and acoustics in the Java Sea. Even though it's 100 feet deep, even though they know where they tail is, it could still be some tough work in the next few days. What we are hearing though from search officials, Victor and Christi, is a shift in tone. They are optimistic they are in the right place, they are on the right track, and that they will get results soon.
[Paul:] We certainly hope so.
[Blackwell:] All right, David Melko in Jakarta for us. David, thank you so much.
[Tapper:] I'm Jake Tapper in Paris, and I'm outside the place where the horrific terrorist attack on "Charlie Hebdo," the French satirical magazine, took place Wednesday. It has become a place of mourning, a place of honoring the victims of that horrible attack. People have been coming here by the thousands all day putting flowers, leaving notes. We saw a little girl writing a note saying "Je suis Charlie," "I am Charlie," a message of solidarity. People have been drawing cartoons and posting them around here, leaving them by the flowers. A cellist has been playing for at least an hour, a fitting and moving memorial as people come and honor their brothers and one sister who were killed in this horrific terrorist attack on Wednesday and the ensuing attacks as well. We're following breaking news right now. The Kouachi brothers and along with another suspect linked to the same terror cell are dead after French police carried out two terror raids yesterday. Now French police are searching for this woman, 26-year-old Hayat Boumediene. Here is what we know about her. Authorities believe she was the accomplice of the Amedy Coulibaly in a hostage-taking incident in a kosher grocery store yesterday in which Coulibaly killed four innocent civilians. Coulibaly himself was killed when police stormed the market. He seemed to run right into the police bullets. Now police say that they believe Boumediene was in the grocery store and escaped amidst the chaos. She also was previously wanted in as a suspect in the shooting death of a French policewoman on Thursday. Now, earlier today French President Francois Hollande held an emergency security meeting with top government and law enforcement officials to discuss how to better secure France. The town in northern France where two of the terrorist suspects were killed is slowly getting back to normal today, or at least as normal as it can get at least. CNN senior international correspondent Jim Bitterman has more now on how the suspects were killed. Jim?
[Jim Bitterman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] The police are still guarding the entrance to the factory here where in fact they headed for the two terrorists yesterday after a police assault, a very violent police assault on this factor involving helicopters and dozens and dozens of special forces that charged into the factory. Here is a look at how that went.
[Bitterman:] During that standoff with police yesterday, in fact the town of Dammartin virtually closed down. The schools were empty, shops were closed. People were told to stay away. And now today it's gradually coming back to life. The mayor told me that just getting things back to normal is first priority.
[Unidentified Male:] That is what we want to do now. Come back to the normal stage.
[Bitterman:] Getting back to normal may also mean, however, raising questions the way authorities handled this entire terror episode, how it was these terrorists were not under better surveillance, how they were able to acquire weapons. One of the people at the mayor's office this morning confronted the mayor just on that issue and wanted to know exactly why this whole drama had to unfold in the way it did. Those questions are going to be asked a lot over the next few days here, especially after when we get past the march of unity taking place tomorrow across the nation involving hundreds and hundreds of thousands of French who wanted to show that they're unified against terrorism. Jim Bitterman, Dammartin-en-Goele, France.
[Tapper:] Our thanks to Jim Bitterman. We of course will be bringing that unity rally to you live tomorrow on CNN. There are new links surfacing between the Paris terrorist suspects and an Al Qaeda affiliate. The link suggests the suspects may not have acted alone when they brutally slaughtered more than 17 people over the last three days. We will talk about all of that coming up next.

[Jane Velez-mitchell:] Tonight, breaking news. The alleged killer cop takes the stand at his own murder trial. Tonight, Brett Seacat desperately tries to convince the jury he did not execute his beautiful wife and torch their home while their two young sons, toddlers, slept. Will the jury buy this handsome former cop`s story that his wife set the fire herself and shot herself in the head because she was depressed from taking diet supplements?
[Brett Seacat, Murder Defendant:] I`m smart enough that if I wanted to kill my wife, I could come up with something better than that.
[Unidentified Female:] Brett Seacat may have been married to more than one woman at a time.
[Unidentified Male:] He told me that it wasn`t his his doing. You know, he didn`t file for divorce. He threatened to burn the house down and threatened to make it look like she did it.
[Seacat:] That is that is bull
[Unidentified Male:] They called themselves high-school sweethearts, and yet he apparently lived with another woman for an extended period of time.
[Seacat:] There`s a fire, and my wife is She shot herself. She`s in the fire.
[Joy Trotnic, Vashti Seacat`s Friend & Co-worker:] She said, "Do you think Brett would burn the house down with me in it?" I said, "Not with the kids at home."
[Velez-mitchell:] Vashti Seacat`s friend and therapist testified that Brett had threatened to kill her and set the house on fire and that he also revealed that he had a dream about killing her and later even confessed to killing her. Well, today, it was time for the jury to hear from the former cop himself. Check this out.
[Unidentified Male:] Call your next witness. We call Brett Seacat. And it`s my understanding he won`t he will allow audio, but not video transmission, is that correct? That is correct, your honor. Very good. And...
[Velez-mitchell:] There he goes, trying to save his own skin. Brett decided at the very last minute that he did not want his handsome face on camera. Hmm, I wonder why? That`s why you`re going to hear him talking on the witness stand, but you will not see him. If he`s so innocent, why does he want to hide his face? The defense wasted no time trying to humanize Brett as just a regular family guy who`d hoped to save his marriage and keep him, the wife and the kids together.
[Seacat:] And I just said, "Am I getting served?" She nodded, and I think I just said, "So it`s divorce, then?"
[Velez-mitchell:] There`s been a lot of evidence in this case. Death threats and he allegedly forged his wife`s suicide note. Can Brett convince the jury there`s reasonable doubt? Straight out to Ted Rowlands, CNN correspondent who`s on the ground in Kansas. You`ve just come out of court, Ted. What were the biggest stunners from the mouth of this ex-cop who, prosecutors say, executed his sleeping wife?
[Ted Rowlands, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I`ll tell you, Jane, it was his demeanor. You couldn`t see it, unfortunately, because as you mentioned, he did not want his face shown during his testimony, but the jury saw his face. And we could see his face in the courtroom. He`s one of these guys that, when he gets nervous, he smiles. And he was trying to almost entertain on some level the jury. He was not coming across as sincere because of that. When he was talking about the fact that his wife wanted a divorce and he claimed he didn`t want one, there was no emotion when he was recounting that emotion where he found out about the divorce. There was no emotion at all. Jurors, at first when he took the stand, all had their notepads out. They were absolutely riveted. When he started telling long-winded stories and jokes, saying that he was at Panera Bread for 90 minutes, which is long in Panera terms, red balloon time. Everybody just it was awkward. It was almost awkward, where jurors stopped staring at him, stopped taking notes. He lost jurors because of the lack of emotion. I think that translates to lack of sincerity as he went through the pre-time before the murder. He`s going to have to change his tune and his demeanor as he gets into the actual day of the murder if he has any chance of convincing this jury that he is not behind it.
[Velez-mitchell:] Listen, one thing we know for sure: he`s an arrogant guy. Arrogant, arrogant. He thinks he`s all that. He thinks he`s really good looking. He thinks he`s smarter than everybody else. Hmm, who does that sound like? The morning before Vashti died, Brett said that she gave him a big kiss, which he claims he found odd since they had been talking about divorce. Listen to this, and then we`re going to analyze it with Dr. Drew.
[Seacat:] We had been back and forth about 50 times on divorce. And so, I just, when we went to bed that night, I thought we were still talking divorce. And then in the morning, she gives me a kiss, which makes me think not divorce. So it just let me know that we were back on the not- divorce track.
[Velez-mitchell:] Dr. Drew, oftentimes, an attempt to be nice, a woman might give mixed signals, trying to cushion the bad news. It`s really great to have you on our show. What are your thoughts about his describing that, oh, he`s so confused, "because she`s giving me mixed signals"?
[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln Anchor:] Jane, you know what I think? I absolutely agree with you that it is not at all unusual to someone to show some tenderness to a person that you might have been married to. We have been through an awful lot together, and to sort of express a bit of tenderness as things are devolving toward a divorce, that I think, would be completely normal. What`s interesting about this guy is that he doesn`t seem to be able to interpret emotion. You mentioned the arrogance, and people before have mentioned the narcissism they think they`re seeing here, and that would sort of fit with that. People with a lot of narcissistic qualities don`t really understand emotions. And emotions have less meaning to them, particularly in particular situations. They don`t attach value and intensity to emotions. And in my sense, he really has misread her intention in that kiss.
[Velez-mitchell:] Yes. And I think they only interpret emotions that go their way. In other words, when they`re interpreting things they only interpret what they want to hear.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Velez-mitchell:] And I`ve got a perfect example for you, Dr. Drew. Brett describes going back and forth with Vashti about whether to get divorced. And this is at the infamous Panera, where they`re having a discussion. He describes a long conversation they had in that restaurant. Listen to this.
[Seacat:] All about divorce, reconciliation, staying together, splitting up, divorce, back; it just went round and round. At a lot of points in the conversation, I didn`t know what we were talking about because every ten minutes, it seemed like, Vashti was pursuing a different angle on it.
[Velez-mitchell:] Let`s debate it. Is this testimony humanizing this defendant or are we seeing a narcissist who only wants to hear what they want to hear? Starting with Jordan Rose for the prosecution.
[Jordan Rose, Attorney:] You know, it`s interesting, because I think this guy is going to get crushed on cross-examination. We have to be overly careful when we have these police officers and folk who who know the law and who know what the CSI guys are going to look for when they`re examining the crime. I mean, he knows what to do and what not to do. And so in the direct examination, he looks like a star. But in cross, they have to be meticulous, because this is an officer of the law, and he could get away with murder.
[Velez-mitchell:] Heather Hansen for the defense.
[Heather Hansen, Defense Attorney:] I mean, I think so far today, he has come across as sort of removed. And he`s going to need to spend some more time on the witness stand to become more comfortable. As he becomes more comfortable, I`m hopeful for the defense that he`s going to become a little bit more relatable, because thus far, he`s really not presenting well. And that can only get worse on cross-examination.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. We are going to go to Jon Leiberman. You`re itching to get in.
[Jon Leiberman, Hln Contributor:] Jane, every word this guy says puts him a step closer to a guilty verdict. I mean, his story defies any credibility. And keep in mind he`s only testifying because the judge said before the trial started that they could only admit certain evidence if he actually testified to it, for example, allegations of affairs and allegations that she talked about suicide twice in the past. His story doesn`t add up. He talks about, you know, torching hard drives because he`s worried about identity theft, but yet he leaves his old cell phone on his desk with the door to his office open. His story has a million holes in it. And as Jordan said, on cross-examination, he will get eaten up.
[Velez-mitchell:] Anahita Sedaghatfar for the defense, quickly.
[Anahita Sedaghatfar, Attorney:] Jane, I don`t think he had a choice in light of the mountain of evidence against him. He had to take the stand. It`s still early on. I think the defense is hoping he will show emotion. He`ll get up on the stand, cry, say how much he loved his life, that he would never kill her; he would never do this to his children.
[Velez-mitchell:] He`s been on the stand for hours already, and he hasn`t managed to say he loved his wife.
[Leiberman:] It`s not going to work.
[Velez-mitchell:] Let`s go out to the phone lines. Christine, North Carolina. Your question or thought? Christine, North Carolina.
[Caller:] Jane, thanks for taking my call. I have a question and a comment. The comment is, you guys have shown the injury on his leg, his singed hair, which if he did light the house on fire, gas does pop a lot more than any other kind of starter to start a fire. He could have singed his own leg. And second of all, he wanted a particular overhead projector. Are there other projectors that scan things that keep them that can be found later?
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, Jon Leiberman, and I want to ask you about this overhead projector. Co-workers say that he had locked himself in his office and was using a card from his wife with an overhead projector to basically forge the suicide note, because you can see the letters real big and you can trace them more exactly. He claims what?
[Leiberman:] Well, it`s it`s more of this incredible story. He claims, yes, he was using the projector and, yes, he was practicing studying forging documents in this kind of round-about story but that he didn`t forge the suicide note. I mean, these are the types of stories that he`s trying to get this jury to believe. But when confronted with this mountain of evidence, I don`t think there`s any chance the jury is going to find him credible at all.
[Velez-mitchell:] On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk to Dr. Drew about the arrogance of people. When they think they`re smarter than everyone else, do they often do really stupid things because they`re wrong? They`re not smarter. On the other side.
[Seacat:] There`s a fire. My wife, she shot herself. She`s in the fire. There`s smoke everywhere.
[Unidentified Female:] Is everybody out of the house?
[Seacat:] Oh, God.
[Unidentified Male:] I think you need to take some deep breaths right now. You`re getting real nervous.
[Seacat:] Yes, I am. I`m thinking real hard about not saying things.
[Unidentified Male:] You need to say them. We need to talk about them.
[Velez-mitchell:] The defense claims Brett Seacat`s wife was depressed and killed herself because she was taking diet supplements that are mood- altering. Vashti`s sister that`s the dead woman`s sister- took the stand for the defense. Kathleen Forrest was questioned about what she knew about a controversial diet drug called HCG and whether Vashti was using it.
[Unidentified Male:] What you said was she had injected HCG to my knowledge, right?
[Unidentified Female:] Line ten states that.
[Unidentified Male:] States that because that`s what you said, right?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Velez-mitchell:] Clearly she`s a hostile witness. She didn`t want to be there testifying for the man that she believes killed her sister. But could diet drugs be enough to get this guy off? Dr. Drew, I don`t really know a whole lot about this particular diet supplement. I know some diet supplements are like speed, and that`s why you don`t eat, because it`s like you`re high on speed.
[Pinsky:] Right.
[Velez-mitchell:] But what is HCG?
[Pinsky:] HCG is a hormone that`s produced by the placenta to mobilize fat from women`s body to create energy for the fetus. It`s a way of having the baby`s metabolic needs take priority over the mom`s and be able to mobilize metabolic nutrients for the mom. Now, if you`re not pregnant and you`re taking HCG, it`s a way to sort of mobilize fat. It`s a diet that`s been advocated for a long time. It`s very controversial. I looked far and wide to see if I could see any evidence that it precipitates depression. I can find none. It is not like a neurological - it does not affect appetite like, say, a stimulant does. Those are neuro-active medications that are specifically effective on the brain to suppress appetite. This is not about that. This is about metabolizing and mobilizing things from other parts of the body.
[Velez-mitchell:] Yes. And I spoke to someone who had seen her days before her death. Didn`t sound like she or look like she had had a lot of weight loss.
[Pinsky:] Me, too.
[Velez-mitchell:] They didn`t notice anything different.
[Pinsky:] No.
[Velez-mitchell:] So prosecutors say...
[Pinsky:] Well, apparently...
[Velez-mitchell:] Go ahead.
[Pinsky:] It seemed like it was sort of a popular diet. And there are women that I`ve talked to several women who knew her. They were taking the sub-label versions, and other women were doing it in the area. And no one was having any neurological or psychiatric side effects from the medication. It`s possible, but it`s very, very unlikely that this is what contributed in any meaningful way to this case.
[Velez-mitchell:] But the defense is hanging their hat on the diet supplements. Now, prosecutors say Brett Seacat plotted and carried out this vicious execution of his wife just a couple of days after she hit him with divorce papers. They say Brett was destroying evidence to cover his tracks. But on the stand today, Brett had an answer for destroying computer equipment. Listen to this.
[Unidentified Male:] Is there some correlation between the two hard drives you destroyed in these two computers that were stored in your office?
[Seacat:] Yes. I took the hard drives out of those two computers.
[Unidentified Male:] Why were you going to put a new hard drive in them?
[Seacat:] I was going to sell them.
[Unidentified Male:] Why were you looking to sell the computers?
[Seacat:] Because I thought I might have a divorce coming up, and I needed some it wouldn`t hurt to have some money.
[Velez-mitchell:] Let`s debate it with our expert legal panel. He`s selling hard drives for some extra cash because he`s getting divorced? Is the jury buying any of this? Starting with Jon Leiberman, HLN contributor.
[Leiberman:] I don`t think so. I mean, look, this how long has he had to come up with this contrived story? He`s had several years now. I mean, come on, burning the hard drives. Torching the I mean, to sell the computers for maybe 100 bucks each? It just and again, he said that one reason why he was doing it was because of identity theft, and yet he leaves his old cell phone, as I said before, on the desk in his office. I don`t think anybody is buying the story. They`re certainly not going to buy it on cross-examination.
[Velez-mitchell:] Anahita. Anahita, come on. I mean, you can come up with an explanation for anything. The reason I`m balancing this cup on my head is because, oh, I have a headache. And this provides relief. It doesn`t mean anybody is going to believe what I`m saying.
[Sedaghatfar:] And that`s true. But you know, the reason why he`s taking the stand is because he has to explain away some of the evidence that is working against him. That`s why he`s there. And remember, it only takes one of those jurors to believe him or sympathize with him. So I mean, that`s why he`s there. Of course it`s not looking good. Of course he didn`t have time to...
[Leiberman:] It`s grasping at straws, Anahita. It`s grasping at straws.
[Sedaghatfar:] That is why he`s taking the stand. So is the suggestion that he should take the stand and basically say, "Yes, I killed her. Yes, I did smash these hard drives."
[Leiberman:] No, but he`s going to take the stand and he`s going to re- victimize the victim by claiming affairs and suicide. That`s the problem I have. Wait until tomorrow when he starts re-victimizing the victim.
[Sedaghatfar:] It`s about reasonable doubt, Jon.
[Velez-mitchell:] Heather.
[Hansen:] Jane, Jane Jane...
[Velez-mitchell:] Hold on.
[Hansen:] Wait, wait, wait. There`s a presumption of innocence here. So you`ve got to assume that he`s innocent, and you`ve got to look at it like a guy who`s been served with divorce papers. IO have seen men who have been served with divorce papers. They do get confused; they do get emotional. Oftentimes, they don`t understand where their wife is coming from. The fact that he`s getting money together, to perhaps get money for a divorce, you can sort of understand that. You could the state has to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
[Velez-mitchell:] Jordan. Jordan.
[Rose:] His story is just so bizarre and unbelievable. You`d think, if he had enough time to prepare at least a credible story that someone would believe. I mean, he`s got lots of cell phones around, and that made a lot of sense. The guy is just I think it was an absolute mistake to put this man on the stand.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. We`re going to debate more on the other side. More extraordinary testimony, as this defendant takes the stand to try to save his own skin.
[Seacat:] If I didn`t want her around, I would have divorced, just granted her the divorce.
[Unidentified Male:] But you would have lost contact with the boys, like you have them now. That`s the whole key to this.
[Seacat:] Oh, no. Those boys love their mom. She wouldn`t do that to them.
[Unidentified Male:] It`s hard to believe that you had something to do with this. OK. You had no blood on you when you supposedly picked her up in the bed and held her to you close. You had no blood.
[Seacat:] No, I didn`t hold her to me close.
[Unidentified Male:] You had no fire on the bottom of your feet. Now, if you walked through fire, you should have some kind of injuries besides a small injury on the top of one of your feet.
[Velez-mitchell:] And we`ve got a breaking news curveball. New information just in about a woman who claims she was Brett, the defendant`s, common-law wife before he married Vashti. Straight out to Ted Rowlands, CNN correspondent who`s just walked out of court. What on earth? Another wife but a common-law wife? What`s this all about?
[Rowlands:] Yes. Well, this is a woman that he apparently dated back in 2001. And under Kansas is one of the few states that recognizes common-law marriage. And this woman, apparently, once she found out that he was arrested and was suspected of murdering his wife, she freaked out and said, "Wow, I need a common-law divorce, because I think I might be married to him." And that, you know, sparked a lot of interest. There`s no indication that he was a polygamist or had two wives at the same time. I think it was more that this woman came out of the woodwork and was nervous that she would somehow be connected to him financially and wanted the state of Kansas to recognize a common-law divorce and wanted nothing to do with it.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. The defense called a forensic expert to testify about traces of gasoline found on Brett`s pants the day of the fire. He says, "Well, you can`t trust any of that evidence because, oh, sloppy police work." The old garbage in, garbage out. The prosecutor attacked his testimony.
[Unidentified Male:] This analysis may have been flawed from the onset because the evidence wasn`t there. The evidence was not collected properly; it was not packaged properly. And it took 22 months, I believe. Of all things that he could have found, he found gasoline, correct? I guess I don`t understand the question. The question is, what kind of luck would that be?
[Velez-mitchell:] You know, Drew, Dr. Drew, the psychology of people who think they`re smarter than everyone else always baffles me. According to co-workers of Vashti, she told them that this guy who`s on trial right now told her, "I`m going to kill you. I`m going to set the house on fire. I`m going to make it look like you killed yourself and set the house on fire. And I`m going to get away with it, because," according to what these co-workers said, this defendant felt that firefighters were morons. Now, I think firefighters are heroes and wonderful people who put their lives on the line. But there`s an arrogance there that really is actually stupidity.
[Pinsky:] Right. It`s a kind of blocking of the ability to perceive reality. But Jane, I know in your drinking days you must have suffered from something like this. It had to be that...
[Velez-mitchell:] I never set anything on fire.
[Pinsky:] I understand that. But still, you could...
[Velez-mitchell:] Maybe a flambe...
[Pinsky:] But you understand you understand that people have to have, when there are certain states and certain character pathology, they have real difficulty taking reality in on reality`s terms. And I think this guy was even in an elevated state beyond that. If you look at those pictures of him, not so much these pictures alongside me now, but the ones that picture, where the white of the eye is visible above the eye and the pupils are blown, in spite of there being a bright light in his face. You`ve got to wonder, is there something even more going on with this guy than would otherwise be arrogant, have difficulty acknowledging feelings and taking reality in. He may have been in a manic state or maybe he was taking some supplements, something that really put him into a state that made things really, really crazy.
[Velez-mitchell:] Quickly, Susan, Florida. Your question or thought. Susan, Florida.
[Caller:] Jane, this guy is so diabolical. I mean, he should have spent some of his money on acting lessons. Because he`s horrible. Go back and listen to his testimony. I was cooking supper, and I heard it. And he was talking about putting gas in his dad`s truck. And he said that he didn`t have enough money to fill it up. And then he turned right around and said, when they said, "Was it $35 you put in there," he said, "Oh, I didn`t pay attention to the money. I just put 8.2 gallons in it." See, he...
[Velez-mitchell:] Ooh, very good catch. Susan, good catch. And it`s just like Jodi Arias. All they remember all these, like, quirky things like what they ordered at Starbucks. Or exactly I couldn`t tell you ever in my life exactly how much gas I put in a car, ever, once. I put it until it fills up and then it starts flowing out of the car and I stop. All right. Later, the Jodi Arias trial. What were the attorneys saying to each other in those sidebars? Unbelievable new information. Explosive revelations about the vicious arguments that were going on between prosecutor Juan Martinez and Jennifer Willmott, the defense attorney for Jodi Arias. You will not believe what they were saying to each other. That`s next.
[Juan Martinez, Prosecutor:] With regard to everything that he did to you, how you feel and how you know of those circumstances and the situation that you were in with regard to Exhibit 205. Do you think, in your mind, because you were the one who was experiencing...
[Jennifer Willmott, Jodi Arias`s Defense Attorney:] Objection.
[Martinez:] What are you what is it?
[Willmott:] Objection.
[Jennifer Willmott, Defense Attorney:] Jodi cannot choose to have a personality disorder or not. Having borderline personality disorder is not an excuse. It is not an excuse for what she did to Travis, but it is a reason.
[Kirk Nurmi, Defense Attorney:] Nine days out of ten, I don`t like Jodi Arias.
[Amy Murphy, Reporter, Knxv-tv:] She is a very mentally ill person.
[Juan Martinez, Prosecutor:] She knocked the blessing out of him by putting a bullet in his head.
[Jodi Arias, Convicted Murder:] You should have at least done your make up, Jodi gosh.
[Jane Velez-mitchell, Hln:] Tonight: breaking news. Stunning side bar secrets from the Jodi Arias murder trial. Just released information about the down and dirty vicious fighting that occurred when the lawyers went to side bar, which they did over and over again as we all know from watching the trial. We saw Jodi`s defense team and the prosecution practically come to blows during that marathon trial. Remember this?
[Willmott:] Objection, your honor.
[Nurmi:] Objection, your honor. Objection, argumentative. Objection, she`s answered the question. Objection. Objection, argumentative.
[Willmott:] Objection, can we ask him not to yell at the witness.
[Velez-mitchell:] Now, we know just how down and dirty the side bar fighting got. In one of the side bars, prosecutor Juan Martinez said he would kill himself if he was married to Jodi`s defense lawyer, Jennifer Willmott. Quote, "But the thing is, that if Miss Willmott and I were married, I certainly would say I would f-ing kill myself. That doesn`t mean actually that I want to kill myself. All right? It means that there`s a bad relationship and I want you to leave me alone." And then, "Judge, just for the record, I think that was an insult because he`s trying to say that if he and I were married," "Oh, come on. That was a compliment, a bad joke." "I don`t see it as either," Jennifer Willmott said. Straight out to reporter for KNXV TV out of Phoenix who was in the courtroom for this extraordinary trial; Amy Murphy, I was there, too. We all saw how heated it was, how it seemed to us, sitting in the gallery that these people hated each other. The prosecutor Juan Martinez and Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott, the defense attorneys really did not like each other. Now we are hearing and finding out they were basically trading insults with each other during side bars.
[Murphy:] Yes, Jane, you are absolutely right. That argument that you just showed continued on to another day. Basically, Juan Martinez came back with another insult to Jennifer Willmott saying she needed to go back to law school. And you know, the surprising thing is that Judge Stevens really didn`t do much to stop the insults from flying, it seems, from the court record. We also learned in side bar some interesting things that the jurors had in terms of their questions as well. So quite a revealing day yesterday, when the records were released.
[Velez-mitchell:] Now, we are also learning there was a huge battle behind the scenes over the phone sex tape and when the tape recorded phone sex call would be admitted and when the jury would hear it. We all remember the call itself. Remember this?
[Travis Alexander, Murder Victim:] The way you moan baby, it sounds like it sounds like you are this 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm.
[Arias:] It sounds like what?
[Alexander:] A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm.
[Arias:] You`re bad. You make me feel so dirty.
[Velez-mitchell:] Oh, wow. Jodi dragged Travis` name through the mud and made his most private, vulnerable moments public. You have to wonder, the strategy. Jordan Rose, you are an attorney down there in Phoenix, Arizona. You really know all the players because you are one of the most prominent attorneys in that area. We are learning now that there was a strategic battle over when that sex tape would be revealed and the prosecutor wanted it revealed when she was on the stand as opposed to having some expert play it. Why do you think he was so intent on that strategy?
[Jordan Rose, Phoenix Attorney:] Well certainly, just as you just showed, the visuals of how she reacts to that sex tape were phenomenally good for the prosecution. I mean she could only react in a way that was negative and so I think he was very insistent upon that. It made a lot of sense. Interestingly, you have Nurmi in these things trying to object to everything from cameras showing Jodi`s chained legs. I mean we didn`t know that. I didn`t realize, you know, if you are watching it on TV, you wouldn`t have realized that her legs were chained because your cameras weren`t allowed to show it because of Nurmi`s objections. Interesting to see how far these attorneys took their hostility and made it so personal behind the scenes in the trial.
[Velez-mitchell:] Yes, well, I tell you, all of these megatrials, it happens every time. They always end up hating each other`s guts. O.J. Simpson, Marsha Clark and Johnny Cochran no love lost there. The list goes on and on. It gets very personal. The reputations of these individuals are made or broken. Everybody will remember Juan Martinez from this trial. Everybody will remember Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott. This is the crowning moment of their careers undoubtedly. Let`s go to the phone lines. Betty, Ohio, your question or thought Betty, Ohio.
[Betty, Ohio:] Yes, Jane. Thank you for taking my call. Every time I think about Arias, I get upset. I mean this [inaudible] somebody`s going to let her off. She`s going to get life or whatever. I hope Martinez doesn`t cave in. I hope they have another jury and they find her guilty so she can be put to death. That`s exactly what she needs without a doubt. That family can get some peace of mind then.
[Velez-mitchell:] Amy Murphy, you`re a reporter at KNXV on the ground there in Phoenix any buzz? We heard from Dave Hall. He said the family wants to go forward. They want a retrial. They don`t care if their whole lives are disrupted and they have to live in Phoenix even though most of them are from California. What are you hearing? What is the buzz about what is going to happen?
[Murphy:] Well, I too have heard that Travis Alexander`s family is ready to go ahead and go for the long haul at this point. They have already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money to continue this process. And they would like to see Jodi Arias get death. The buzz here, actually, from a very prominent appellate lawyer, Jane, has been that if Jodi Arias does get the death penalty, there`s actually probably a 50 percent chance that it could be overturned because in the appellate process, it would go to the state supreme court. They have a 50 percent rate of overturning cases in Arizona. Rather if she gets life in prison, it would go to the court of appeals and the court of appeals is not as lenient. So, she would definite will be staying in jail at that point.
[Velez-mitchell:] Wow. That is so interesting. On some level, it might be more of a punishment to have her get life than to get death that never actually happens but has a greater chance of having it be overturned fascinating. Thank you for that new information. And we have more new information on the Arias case right on the other side. And we are taking your calls.
[Murphy:] Are you sorry you got caught? You said you couldn`t answer that at the time?
[Arias:] Well, I couldn`t answer that I don`t know if I would turn myself in. I would like to think that I would because that would be the right thing to do. On the other hand, it`s I mean can you imagine willingly giving up your freedom. That`s a difficult decision to make.
[Martinez:] You are advocating on behalf of the defendant and you are only presenting things that benefit her.
[Willmott:] Objection.
[Martinez:] Correct?
[Velez-mitchell:] Side bar secrets. A document revealing that there were vicious fights during those many side bars that we sat through during the Jodi Arias trial. Well, we are also learning that there was huge controversy over Jodi`s rambling during her 18 days on the stand. You remember it. It felt like an eternity, didn`t it? Remember this?
[Nurmi:] Defense calls Jodi Arias. Did you kill Travis Alexander on June 4, 2008?
[Arias:] Yes, I did. He began to remove my clothes. I thought we were going to kiss. He lifted up my skirt, pulled down my underwear. He wanted me to dress up in a schoolgirl outfit. He spun me around and bent me over the desk. The main reason is because I was very ashamed of what happened. It`s hard to explain. As I write right now that I love Travis Victor Alexander so completely. I just have the sense that he was chasing after me. Lying isn`t typically something I just do.
[Velez-mitchell:] Let`s debate it. Did the judge allow her to ramble on too long? We are now learning from this document that the judge really wondered why her answers had to take so long but should she have said "Hey, move along honey, wrap it up and get to the next subject." I`ll start with Anahita Sedaghatfar for the defense.
[Anahita Sedaghatfar, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Well Jane, I think a lot of people will be happy that the judge did show concern about Jodi`s rambling. I know she received a lot of criticism for that. But this is a capital case. Her life was on the line and the judge had to give Jodi Arias a lot of leeway in order to not create appellate issues. So I think she did do the right thing by allowing her to talk, testify in order to, I guess, get a clean conviction in case she was convicted and not create additional appellate issue.
[Velez-mitchell:] Jordan Rose for the prosecution?
[Rose:] I actually have to agree. It`s a capital case the judge can`t very well not allow her to talk and talk and talk, but boy, do I wish she would have stopped. If you look at, I think it would be interesting to look at the time the defense spent on the stand versus the time the prosecution spent in their
[Velez-mitchell:] Yes. The prosecution was like nine days.
[Rose:] Yes, it was nothing. Then look at the amount of time they spent in side bars huge, huge. Now we get to see what it is.
[Heather Hansen, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Jane, that`s the area
[Velez-mitchell:] Want to hear this? The reason why we wouldn`t hear it is they had a white noise machine playing. Because we were all sitting there trying to hear what they were arguing about and they had a noise machine playing there so we couldn`t hear it and that`s why we`re just finding out about it now. Continue on Heather.
[Hansen:] Well, they did. The white noise machine is what we see all the time. But the one thing that I do think judge could have done is control those side bars a little bit more. It`s natural to get contentious. As you said it becomes very personal, especially if you believe in your case. But to let those side bars go on, the way that they did and with the contentious sniping I don`t think that that`s productive in any way.
[Velez-mitchell:] Well on the other side, we are going to talk about an insult that was ruled at Jennifer Willmott and should the judge have done something about it. Or is that just the way it rolls on a high-profile case? Stay right there.
[Arias:] You should have at least done your make up Jodi, gosh. Goodness.
[Velez-mitchell:] Time for Pet of the Day. Send your pet pics to hlntv.comjane. Connor, oh, you are gorgeous. And Roxie, she is sitting pretty on a fancy chair, enjoying life. And Dottie oh, magnifique, very chic, look at that outfit. Charlie`s just an average guy, but fabulous in his open way, very special. Charlie.
[Unidentified Female:] She would just totally flip out on me. I have my good friends call me in the middle of the night. You need to get Jodi some help. Just like call me one minute happy; in the next minute in tears.
[Velez-mitchell:] Jodi Arias` mother. She also destroyed her own family`s lives. Prosecutor Juan Martinez, turns out we learned tonight was insulting Jennifer Willmott, the defense attorney for Jodi Arias and her professional skills. When Willmott asked about hearsay, Juan told Willmott quote, "you should go back to law school. Maybe you ought to go back to law school." This is a new revelation of what they were saying during side bar. Let`s debate it. Did prosecutor Juan Martinez cross the line? Starting with Jon Leiberman for the prosecution.
[Jon Leiberman, Hln Contributor:] Look, Juan Martinez was passionate. He was speaking for the state of Arizona. He was speaking for Travis Alexander`s family. And he is a normal person, lawyers are people, too. They get fired up. Sometimes they say things that they probably wish they could take back, but that is what he was feeling at the moment.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. Anahita Sedaghatfar, for the defense.
[Sedaghatfar:] I actually agree with Jon. I mean you have to remember they`re in the heat of battle. I know whoa they`re in the heat of the battle
[Velez-mitchell:] Wait a second. Hold on a second. I sat in that courtroom. I think he did a great job. I think everybody did a professional job, everybody had a role and they played it. And I`m not talking about the defendant. I`m talking about all the professionals in that courtroom. But to say you ought to go back to law school, Heather Hansen, I don`t know.
[Hansen:] It is definitely not appropriate. You have to remember, it is a long trial. If over the course of the trial the worst that he said is that you ought to go back to law school over the course of the frustration, I can understand that. I wouldn`t be happy with it. If I were Miss Willmott, I certainly wouldn`t be happy with it but it happens in the course of a very high energy trial.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. Robin, Tennessee, your question or thought Robin, Tennessee; thanks for your patience, Robin.
[Robin, Tennessee:] Hi.
[Velez-mitchell:] Hi.
[Robin:] The first thing I would like to say is I think the two things that Juan Martinez needs to focus on to get a death conviction is first of all, Travis had no verbal abuse to her until he realized that she was psychosis, and that is when it became obvious that you know, she was nuts. And she never made Travis aware that she was against his sexual fantasies, ever until she led him to believe she liked. That is why he kept doing it. And I hate the fact that she`s singing "Oh, Holy Night" because [inaudible]
[Velez-mitchell:] You know what, Robin, Tennessee you make a good point. Engaging consensually in kinky sex games has nothing to do with being a victim of domestic violence, two different things. Two different things. On the other side, we`re going to talk again to Amy Murphy, who interviewed this woman up close and personal and thinks she is crazy. Stay right there. Reporter Amy Murphy, there is a hearing in two weeks in Phoenix, what do you think is going to happen eventually?
[Murphy:] Well, that is a very good question, Jane, you know better than anyone, you were here, you were in the courtroom. Anything could happen at this point. Expect the unexpected. Of course, if they decide to move forward they will be impaneling a new jury on July 18th. And as we all know it will be hard to find a jury that has not heard anything about this case and isn`t impartial in some way.
[Velez-mitchell:] And thank you for buzzing it up. We`re going to stay on top of it. And who knows what`s going to happen next? Nancy`s next. END

[Blitzer:] A major story breaking this hour. A massive snowstorm hammering much of the northeast, the worst of it bearing down right now in the immediate hours ahead. Here in Washington, D.C., where the federal government is shut down, as much as ten inches of snow is expected with wind chills as low as 15 degrees below zero. Off the coast in Philadelphia and New York, up to a foot of snow. And in parts of Massachusetts, they're bracing for more than a foot of snow and whiteout blizzard conditions with the warnings not to venture outdoors. CNN has team coverage of this monster storm up and down the east coast, but let's begin with our Jennifer Gray. She's over at the CNN Severe Weather Center. Jennifer, give us the latest forecast.
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Well, Wolf, it could not be more messy for the evening commute across the northeast when you have D.C., New York, and Boston all covered in snow right now. And the snow is continuing to come down. This is that light, fluffy snow and so with very strong winds over the next couple of hours and even during the overnight. You can expect visibility to be down less than a quarter of a mile in a lot of places. So, dangerous outside. D.C. is still getting the rain the snow, rather as we look at the radar. Philly, New York as well, even Boston getting in on the snow, as we speak. Also, a blizzard warning for the cape and that begins at seven o'clock this evening. Let's take this storm hour by hour. You can see, this is the evening commute, still snow in D.C., New York, and Boston as of 11 o'clock evening. It does push out of D.C., New York, and Philly as we get into early tomorrow morning. However, areas like Boston and the surrounding areas, and that includes the cape, could still some see lingering snow showers as we go throughout the early hours of tomorrow morning before this thing starts to push off shore. Now, snow totals are impressive. We could see anywhere from eight to ten inches of snow in New York, Long Island, isolated amounts, up to a foot in some areas and Rhode Island and Massachusetts, could see anywhere to a foot of snow or more across those areas. Now, we're going to see very, very cold temperatures as well. Overnight tonight, we could see wind chills 12 degrees below zero in New York City, Boston. During the overnight hours, you could feel like 11 degrees below zero and then those temperatures will be moderating as we go throughout tomorrow, but look at the three-day forecast for some of the major cities. Atlanta, your high temperature on Tuesday. We were at 48. We will be at 37 high temperature on Wednesday, Wolf. So, it is going to be cold, cold across the east coast the next couple of days.
[Blitzer:] Very cold, indeed. Jennifer, thanks for that forecast. CNN meteorologist and severe weather expert, Chad Myers, is up on a pier in Plymouth, Massachusetts right now. Chad, Plymouth considered ground zero for this storm. What are the conditions like where you are?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Not that far from Plymouth Rock, Wolf. It's cold. We're dress sport. It doesn't feel too bad. On a normal summer day, people would walk up to this booth and ask for a sunset cruise. Not today, because it looks like that. They said blizzard warning seven o'clock, I'm telling you, the blizzard is pretty much already here. I think seven o'clock is going to be really good. Folks over here, at the Shanty Rose, they're invited us for coffee, but they're just having a little party out there. But if you look downtown, if you look down this way, you just don't see anybody else out there. The police have been by. The fire trucks have been by. We've got a couple of scoopers going by, but otherwise, I think people are staying home. I think they realize that this, although, may not be the biggest storm of the year, certainly is a big enough storm when visibility can be down to a quarter or an eighth of a mile. This snow is really going to come down. It's going to come down all night long, and we will be right here on the same pier for the next six hours Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Right. We're going to check back with you frequently, Chad. Thank you. Poppy Harlow is over on Eastern Long Island right now. Poppy, you could be experiencing some near blizzard conditions. Are you ready?
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] I'm ready, Wolf. I mean, you know where from. I'm from Minnesota. You're from Buffalo. We can deal with this and so can the folks here on the north shore of Long Island. I want to take you. This is Main Street. You see how slow the traffic is. This would usually be busy every night with people going into the stores and their way home from work. Not all. Let me just give you a sense of how tough it was for us to get out here today. Left in New York, 12:30 p.m. and didn't get here until 4:30 p.m. A drive that should take an hour or less took four hours in the middle of the day, not even in rush hour. We've got about four inches of snow right now. We're going to get eight to 12. The big story here is going to be the freezing temperatures that Chad and Jennifer were telling you about. It's going to be about eight here overnight. It's going to feel like negative 10. That's going to persist through the day tomorrow. What does that means? That means all of these roads that aren't necessarily iced over now will be iced over by the morning. That's the big concern. The power company here telling us, we're not worried about the snow. We're worried about the ice and the winds bringing down the power lines. He will try to get in and out of work, but Wolf, you know what is open here? The pizza shop and the liquor store and that's about it. We went inside, and the liquor store owner said, hey, people need to drink in a blizzard. So, I'm staying open for my customers. He said the best seller is single malt scotch and a cab to ride it out Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Got to warm me up a little bit. All right. Thanks, Poppy. Poppy Harlow on Long Island. Zain Asher is in New York City for us. What are the conditions like there, Zain?
[Zain Asher, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, Wolf. Well, the snow is still pretty light right now, but the winds are picking up. So, what that means is that it's a lot colder than it actually look. I'm cold and I've been in a long time. And I know, Wolf, you're from Buffalo. So, you're used to this. I certainly am not because I'm from London. This is all very new to me. But I will say, though, that the big question right now is really how is this weather going to impact the evening commute? I'm sure a lot of people are watching this at work, at their desks wondering, OK, Wolf, you know, what is the best way to get home tonight. If you guessed mass transit, give yourself a gold star that it's absolutely right. You don't want to be driving in these conditions. Let me show you why. So, take a look behind me. You can see Columbus Circle, which by the way, which is usually very busy this time of night, absolutely empty. Obviously, drivers are taking the warnings very seriously. There's low visibility. And by the way, even if you did leave work 45 minutes early or so, chances are you would be sitting in traffic. So, your best friends right now are the MSA and the Long Island Railroad Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Good advice, Zain. Thanks so much. Zain Asher in New York City. Athena Jones is here in the Nation's Capital. She's out on the national mall. So, what's it like outside, Athena?
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Wolf. Well, it's very, very cold here. We've been watching this snowfall heavily and steadily since 10:00 a.m. and it's going to be falling for several more hours. It's not supposed to stop until possibly after nine o'clock when we could see accumulations of eight or ten inches. I just want to show you about the consistency of this snow. You can see that it's really light. It's not too heavy. So, it blows and blowing snow is one of the issues that we've heard, one of the concerns, I should say, from the National Weather Service as part of their winter storm warning. They talk about decreased visibility. Half a mile. As low as half a mile. They're urging people to be careful and not to be out on the roads, unless, they have to be. And if they are out on the roads, in their cars, to make sure they're packing a blanket, food, water, a flashlight in case they come into any trouble. So, even though today we saw a lot of people trying to build snow men and making snow angels and having snowball fights, there's a real concern because these are potentially dangerous conditions, not just the roads, of course, but also the cold weather. The National Weather Service says we could see wind chill factors of five to 15 degrees below zero overnight. So, we're still in the midst of this and it won't be for several more hours until it ends Wolf?
[Blitzer:] There's not much traffic, not just because of the bad weather. They've shut the government early this morning. They've shut down virtually all of the local schools in D.C., Maryland, Northern Virginia. So, you don't see any cars on the road, right?
[Jones:] That's right. There's been very little traffic for much of the day. We know that the D.C. government had 200 plows available as of 8:00 a.m. this morning. We've seen numerous trucks going back and forth, spreading salt on the road to try to keep them from icing over and keep the snow from accumulating. But you're right, because the federal government was shut down, because many of the school systems, not just in D.C., but in the wider area were shut down, we're seeing a lot less traffic than we usually see, even though places like the Supreme Court were opened and the Smithsonian Museums are open, it's not your normal day and we're not going to see any kind of rush hour like we usually see, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Athena, thanks so much. The storm also is wreaking havoc on travel across the area. Close to 3,000 flights now canceled in and out of United States. CNNs Rene Marsh, she's over at Washington's Reagan National Airport with the latest information. What can you tell us, Rene?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, I could tell you at this point, roughly 2,500 delays. We should that is not as many as we saw during that so-called polar vortex. Still, though, if you're one of those people trying to get on that flight, it makes a big difference to you. We're inching towards 3,000 cancellations just for some perspective here on a regular day we usually see about 200 cancellations. So, we're well above that. Take a look at this video we just shot a short time ago. We went out on the air field right here at Reagan National Airport, and this is what airports along the northeast corridor, they are dealing with. It looks a lot like it looks right here at Reagan. We're seeing some deicing. The visibility is dropping. I want to talk to you a little bit about those airports which are just simply getting slammed by these cancellations. The top airports are getting slammed, Philadelphia, LaGuardia, Newark, JFK, and right here in the Washington, D.C., Reagan National Airport. Wolf, at a time like this, when this weather is coming at these airports, it's a team effort working with the airlines. All hands on deck. We were inside the operation center here at Reagan National today. You're looking at that video. They are keeping tabs on everything. The weather conditions, the temperature of the runway, that sort of thing, all to make sure that these people get to where they want to go in a timely fashion Wolf.
[Blitzer:] All right. Rene, thanks very much. Rene is over at Reagan National Airport. She reported on the situation in the skies, not so good, but what about the situation on the ground? CNN's Jason Carroll is actually driving through the snow in New York right now. How bad are those roads? What are you seeing, Jason?
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, you know, Wolf, as you may have heard, New York City and the surrounding area expected anywhere between six and 10 inches before all of this is over and I have to tell you from being out on the roads here for the past half hour or so, it already feels like much of that snow has already fallen. It's been very slow going. Right now, we're on 14th street here in Manhattan headed towards the west side highway. We've been going at a snail's pace at about 10 miles per hour. Thankfully, Wolf, just from being out in the roads already, it's very easy to tell that this is what rush hour looks like in New York City. Normally, you can see right out here on the road, this road here, this road here would be packed with cars, but that's not what we're seeing. A lot of drivers, obviously, took Mayor de Blasio'r warning which he gave earlier today and said if you did not have to be out on the roads, unless you're an emergency vehicle or you're having to work in a news organization like we are, do not be out on the roads. And that's what we're seeing out here right now. Even so, still, very slow going. Visibility at about a quarter of a mile. Snow is very thick here along 14th street here and Manhattan as we head towards the west side highway. The good news for New Yorkers is some 1,700 plows and spreaders will be out on the roads here tonight and through the early morning. Also, 2,000 sanitation workers are going to be working extra duty here in the city as well. Slow going, but the message is, stay off the roads if you don't have to be out here Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Good message, indeed. Jason Carroll, thanks very much. We'll stay on top of the breaking news. We'll have much more later. But just ahead, Chris Christie starts his second term with a state of an emergency, because of the snow. Not scandal. But can he ride out the political storm swirling about him? Also, is an American being held in North Korea one step closer to freedom? His sister is standing by to join us live right here in the SITUATION ROOM.

[Pereira:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. The details of what happened in the cockpit on flight 370 before it disappeared, they're still unknown. But the mystery has certainly sparked a conversation about what can be done to stop something like this from ever happening again. On Tuesday's show, CNN aviation analyst and Slate contributor Jeff Wise suggested that pilots are actually the least secure aspect of a flight. Take a listen.
[Jeff Wise, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] If you're looking at a zero accident rate, which is exactly what the FAA wants to do they want this planes to never crash. And if you want to do that, it's hard to have, you know, essentially, this highly evolved monkey sitting in the cockpit.
[Pereira:] Unsurprisingly those comments turned up quite a bit of backlash from the pilot community. Here to discuss whether aviation technology is making pilots obsolete is Jeff Wise and Les Abend, CNN aviation analyst and 777 pilot. Gentlemen, good to have you both here. So obviously, there has been some backlash about what you said yesterday. We actually reached out to they reached out to us, the Airline Pilots Association. And they sent a statement. And I'd actually like to read it, and then I want you to clarify, refute, or whatever you want to say to the comment. Let's take a look at that. I think we have a full screen of it here. "Technology and air transportation is a powerful tool, but is no substitute for a professional pilot's ability to communicate, gain from experience and exercise sound judgment." They particularly took issue with the fact that you talked about pilots as being evolved monkeys in the cockpit Do you stand by those statements from yesterday, Mr. Wise?
[Wise:] Well, you know, I think when you liken people to monkeys, they you often
[Pereira:] People get upset about that, yeah.
[Wise:] But, I mean, listen I am also a highly evolved monkey. I'm proud to be a highly evolved monkey, so
[Pereira:] Highly evolved, Jeff?
[Wise:] Well, slightly evolved, maybe. I mean, not as evolved as most pilots, granted. But
[Pereira:] Your point was more that it's the human factor, correct? I don't want to put words in your mouth. But is that what you took your point was being made?
[Wise:] I think the baseline thing that people need to understand is that aviation is unbelievably safe. It's at any given time, there's thousands, tens of thousands of planes in the air, and they almost never crash. And if you want to get from this unbelievable level of safety to an even more unbelievable level of safety, you start to get to the level of performance that human beings perhaps were never intended to achieve. To err is human. And if you want to never have a criminal act engaged in, never to have someone have a psychotic break or whatever, you start to wonder, you know, can you build the system to exclude human element?
[Pereira:] So you heard his comments yesterday. What were [inaudible] spent a lot of time in the green room with our Jeff. What were what were your thoughts, and were do you stand on the idea of taking out the human factor?
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, I think it's predictable where I'm going to stand on that. The Airline Pilots Association, not my union, but, you know, reacted appropriately to to to Jeff's statements. Look, the machines that we build are designed by humans and it's designed with flaws. We have to operate them as humans. It's sexy to to to blame or put probable cause on an accident making it pilot error. It makes better news and so on and so forth. But when that occurs, there may be a flaw in the system in the way it's designed and the way we operate it.
[Pereira:] So you're sort of saying it could be a one-two punch. And we saw this with Asiana. They came out with a statement just the other day saying pilot error was partly to blame. We know with Air France, the pilots didn't weren't able to read some of the readings correctly, and they did not handle the situation. But there was technology that was also partly to blame. So there's a situation where you see human and technology not working together.
[Abend:] Well, here's something but here's something else. Now you throw in the pilot element and go back to Sioux City, Iowa. And and here is a machine that broke down on these pilots, and it took basically three people to to take control of this airplane. And we had survivors out of something that was not a survivable situation.
[Pereira:] Les brings up a really great point, Jeff. And I think we all can think of the miracle on the Hudson. I want to know that there's going to be a heroic measure on the part of the captain to save a situation when everything goes sideways.
[Abend:] And culturally, I'm not sure we can you know, that we can generally accept getting into that airplane looking forward and seeing no I mean, the axiom for us as pilots internally, we say, you know what? Some days it's just going to come down to one pilot in that cockpit and the dog. And the dog's only there to bite the pilot if he touches something. But we all know that's so unrealistic and it's not it it's there's no way culturally, I think, that we can accept that.
[Pereira:] Quick reaction?
[Wise:] Well, I also feel that. It's an emotional response. And I share it. But the way that the world is changing is to take humans out of the loop. You know, it used to be you went to buy an air ticket, you went to a travel agent. That's long gone. Now they're selling cars where the car won't let you rear-end the person in front of you. We're becoming increasingly comfortable with humans being taken out.
[Pereira:] A couple other topics I want to get to real quickly: training. Let's talk about that, because we know the training has changed. Are these younger pilots that are being trained on more automated systems, are they at a disadvantage if they have to revert to manual systems in the case of an emergency? Or is that not a true assessment?
[Abend:] Well, let's go back to the old guys like me. You know, my experience started with what we've been calling stick and rudder skills way back when. And we've slowly been integrated into this new automation. So now these folks that are starting early on with their careers are now presented with all this new automation. So they don't get you can't train experience. And they don't get the opportunity to get the experience from the original type of stick and rudder. So they're trained specifically for the automation of today, and maybe that proficiency hasn't gotten to the point until they get to a certain level of experience, which is time.
[Pereira:] I'd like to get the two of you back to talk about cameras in the cockpit, talk about the CVR, the cockpit voice recorder. There's been questions about that two-hour limit that's not helping us and won't help us in this investigation. Or will it? We don't know. But those are two other technologies that people are certainly looking at of how they can be improved and there's some debate, privacy litigation, et cetera. Jeff Wise, Les Abend, always a pleasure to have you both here. Thank you so much. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, Mick. A lot of news happening this morning. We have breaking news of an earthquake overnight, the G.M. recall hearings that are revealing some real problems, and the very latest on the search for flight 370. So let's get to it.
[Unidentified Male:] Sirens blaring, people running into the streets as a powerful 8.2 magnitude earthquake hits off the coast of northern Chile. Why won't you give us anymore information, sir? Sir, are you hiding something? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE; Based on that statement that they made, they must have something that they haven't released publicly.
[Unidentified Female:] Think about how we died and that's not fair. G.M. now admits it knew about the defect as early as 2004. Who knew what when? Images don't fully capture the devastation.
[Unidentified Male:] Digging through this debris field, it's overwhelming.
[Cuomo:] Good morning. We want to welcome our viewers from across the U.S. and around the world this Wednesday, April 2. We're going to begin with breaking news. Chile rocked by a massive 8.2 magnitude earthquake. At least five people are dead. We caution estimates are premature at this point. We're getting reports of fires, landslides and widespread damage. Power is out in many areas. Tens of thousands of people were forced to evacuate. The earthquake centered just 61 miles off Chile's northern coast, sending seven foot waves crashing into coastal communities. Let's get the latest from CNN's Rafael Romo. Rafael?
[Rafael Romo, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris, good morning. The Chilean government just confirmed that the death toll that's a result of this earthquake has increased to six. They're also telling us this morning that as many as 900,000 people had to be evacuated overnight because of this earthquake. There were fears of a tsunami. Now, the tsunami warning has been lifted already, but daylight is beginning to reveal the true extent of the damage. The earthquake caused at least three fires in the city of Vekili. There was also a situation where 300 inmates at a women's prison escaped during the earthquake. And also major highways were damaged by mud slides. President Michelle Bachelet is traveling this morning to the affected areas. Overnight, she dispatched the national police and the military to help people in need. Kate, back to you.
[Bolduan:] All right, Rafael, thank you very much. We'll be checking back in with you clearly continues to develop in Chile this morning. Let's also get to our other big story of the day, the search for flight 370. Overnight, a stunning confirmation from Malaysia's police chief. He told reporters the search is now a criminal investigation and acknowledged the focus is on hijacking, sabotage, and psychological issues. Those are the possibilities that they're looking into. Also new this morning, Malaysia Airlines increasing cockpit security and new measures that a source to CNN said directly relates to the missing flight. Let's talk more about this with Mary Schiavo. She's a CNN aviation analyst and a former inspector general for the Department of Transportation, now an attorney who represents victims and families after airplane disasters. And also with us, David Soucie, CNN's safety analyst and the author of "Why Planes Crash," also a former FAA inspector. Good morning again. Another morning, another big another round of details that we need to work though.

[Malveaux:] We are ten minutes away. We're going to bring you live coverage of George Zimmerman murder trial, closing arguments set to begin just moments away. It is going to be uninterrupted without any breaks. We're going to bring that to you moment by moment as soon as it starts. We're also watching stocks soaring on Wall Street, Dow testing record territory right now, within that wow, up 137 just after the opening bell this morning. Dow Jones industrial average climbed to above 15,456 points. That puts it above its record closing high that was set back in May. We're going to see where it finishes up today. Pretty good news there. And country singer superstar Randy Travis still very ill today, definitely not out of the woods. It was just hours after Travis was reportedly showing some improvement his publicist says he suffered a stroke. Had to have surgery to ease the pressure on his brain. Randy Travis has been in a Texas hospital since Sunday with a serious heart condition. He is just 54 years old. This is something you are not going to want to see heading your way. Watch this. That's right. This is amateur video, this is a funnel cloud in Lawrence County, Pennsylvania, just unbelievable, Greg Houston and his parents, they were actually in their car on a highway when Greg spotted that funnel cloud. His mother says it was much closer than it actually looks in the video. Luckily they were able to speed away. And funnel cloud actually moved on. And this car is being swept away in a river of mud. Look at that. An area, this is just south of Colorado Springs, already devastated by fire, well, now, dealing with this, these mud slides. The driver of that car reportedly not injured. Just one inch of water fell on charred land. But it was not it was actually enough to close many of the roads, the mud left anything in its path covered and stuck as you see those vehicles there. We also have this is amazing story. Dramatic pictures to show you, this is Washington, D.C. subway station, the system there, you see that man in a wheelchair apparently rolling forward to get a closer look at the sign when he went over the edge, right on to the tracks. Well, this happened in one of the busiest stations. I know this station well. This man just inches from the electrified third rail, the train likely to arrive in just moments and Army specialist jumps to help him out. Check it out.
[Voice Of Spec. Michael Menchaca, U.s. Army:] I just jumped down there and started helping him out and started pulling, trying to pick him up and I realized he is still seat belt strapped to this wheelchair and every second felt like 30 seconds.
[Malveaux:] Two others ran in to help as well lifting the wheelchair out. You see the man is recovering, the soldier says, you know, he is not a hero, he just did the right thing. Congratulations to him.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] New questions this morning about the woman arrested for helping two dangerous killers break out of prison. Her husband's attorney on the record about their relationship, as the search grows cold for the escaped inmates. Happening now: rain pounding Texas. The threat of dangerous flooding rising this morning. The damage done and what is still to come, ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans. John Berman has this Wednesday morning off. It is 30 minutes past the hour. She may have been plotting to kill him and now Joyce Mitchell and her husband have come face to face behind bars. Mitchell is the prison worker, of course, who allegedly helped two cold blooded killers escape from a maximum security facility in upstate New York. Now investigators believed she may have been plotting to have her husband murdered. Mitchell's lawyer insists that is not the case. He claims his client is devastated.
[Unidentified Male:] Could you tell us how your client is holding up, Ms. Mitchell?
[Stephen Johnston, Joyce Mitchell's Attorney:] I haven't talked to her today but as of late yesterday, she was pretty distraught.
[Unidentified Male:] Please elaborate on that. She had visitor today, her husband, correct?
[Johnston:] That is correct.
[Unidentified Male:] Can you explain how that visit went?
[Johnston:] I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[Romans:] Now that's the lawyer for her. The lawyer for her husband says he is not standing by her. Not standing by her. Officials investigate whether she had had a sexual relationship with both escaped inmates. Let's get the latest from CNN national correspondent, Jason Carroll.
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] Christine, we are learning a little bit more about Joyce Mitchell and her alleged role in all this and why she may have initially agreed to be the get-away driver. A source telling CNN that she did have some sort of an inappropriate relationship with both Richard Matt and David Sweat and that same source telling CNN there may have been some sort of a murder plot to murder Mitchell's husband, Lyle. And perhaps she felt threatened herself at some point and that she may have been coerced to being the get-away driver. Investigators also looking more closely at Lyle Mitchell to see if he knew anything at all about the escape plan. His attorney telling CNN on Tuesday that he knew nothing about the escape plan or the murder plot. We could also tell you, Christine, that Lyle Mitchell did visit Joyce Mitchell when she was in custody out here on Tuesday. That visitation lasted for about an hour. There was no physical contact between the two of them. They were separated by a glass partition and spoke over the phone. Joyce Mitchell, as for her, she was being held here not too far from here and moved to another facility to the south near Albany. As for that massive manhunt, that is still very much under way. More than a thousand leads, but still no sign of these two men. Christine, it seems the trail has gone somewhat cold.
[Romans:] Unbelievable. Thanks, Jason. Let's move on now to Tropical Storm Bill downgraded to do a tropical depression overnight. It's still taking a big toll in Texas. The storm rolled in Tuesday afternoon, high winds, taking down trees and power lines and 4 to 8 inches of rain swamping the eastern half of the state.
[Unidentified Male:] The roads are gone. The big rock piles, the dunes down the beach side, they are nonexistent. This water is just pouring in and flooding.
[Romans:] Officials have called for voluntary evacuations in parts of Houston where residents are still reeling from Memorial Day floods that swept away hundreds of cars and homes. We get more this morning from CNN's Sara Sidner.
[Sara Sidner, Cnn Correspondent:] We are in Seabrook, Texas. This is a very low lying area. We need to be fair about that because this is not what it looks like everywhere. However, there is some trouble from Tropical Storm Bill. A boat sitting here near the water where it should be, but we are actually in a parking lot, and next to us are homes. And these homes are kind of used to it because on the one side, they have the Galveston Bay, which is kicking up on the other side, an estuary. So they are getting a lot of water and they are in a very low lying area. The water has made it into the garages of these homes here, but the folks here say, look, we are used to this. The worst we ever had was Hurricane Ike back in 2008. After that, they said, the rest of this, we can to deal with. They know not to put things in their garages and lift things up. And that's exactly what they've done. Most folks taking it in stride, there has been a tornado warning that has been in effect throughout the evening and into the night to midnight. But so far this storm really hasn't done much damage. There is still always a concern about flooding and it's supposed to last at least through Wednesday, so everyone is waiting and watching to see what happens with Tropical Storm Bill Christine.
[Romans:] All right, thank you, Sara. You know, much of Texas still under flood watch today. The dangerous situation is not over yet. I want to get right to meteorologist, Pedram Javaheri.
[Pedram Javaheri, Ams Meteorologist:] Good morning. Let's take a look at this because you know, for some people, the worst of the storm certainly is not over yet, models doing a pretty good job so far with the storm system. At this point by this afternoon, the center of circulation of the tropical depression goes over the Dallas metroplex region. Once it gets there thunderstorm potential back in the picture and radar estimates totals 6 to 8 inches from La Grange and heaviest rainfall remaining offshore in the past 24 hours. Still some strong thunderstorm activity around the Port Lovoca region work your way to the north. Waco getting strong thunderstorms this morning and again, give it a couple of hours and we think Dallas will begin to pick up some tremendous rainfall as well. You take a look, some 30 million people from Houston out towards St. Louis underneath the flood watches, warnings, and advisories that are in place this morning. The storm exhibiting some rotation so about 3.5 million people underneath a tornado watch that expires at 7:00 a.m. local time includes Houston as well. So certainly something worth noting before the storm system slowly pushes out of this region in very slow moving feature here and by midweek to the latter portion of the week, the rainfall, anywhere from Indianapolis even towards Pittsburgh, and by Saturday night, New York City gets in on some heavy rainfall. That will be remnants of the storm system, so a wide reaching impact over this region Guys.
[Romans:] All right, thank you so much, Pedram. Millions of federal employees' records were not encrypted when they were allegedly stolen by Chinese hackers and security software that could have prevented the software, that software was never installed. That admission is coming from the Office of Personnel Management, the federal government's human resources agency. Intelligence officials are concerned that breach could be used to blackmail Americans, millions of Americans or recruit spies. Dozens of new e-mails between former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton and her confidant, Sydney Blumenthal, could be released sooner rather than later, that is according to the top House Republican investigating the 2012 Benghazi attack. Blumenthal turned over the e- mails yesterday before appearing in a closed door deposition with Benghazi House committee members. Time for an EARLY START on your money this Wednesday, U.S. futures higher while we wait for news from the Federal Reserve. No action expected today, though, we could get a better look at just how the feds sees the economy if it's on track, you could be looking at an interest rate hike as soon as September. Soon you won't find trans-fat on any grocery store shelves. The FDA declared trans-fat unsafe for eating and told companies to get rid of them by June 2018. A lot of giants and restaurants have already phased out trans-fat especially after the FDA started requiring warning labels. But some of the most popular food brands in America are still guilty, Bisquick, Duncan Hines frosting, Jiffy Pop popcorn, Popeyes onion rings and Cajun fries. These companies say they are working hard to change their recipes. The former NAACP local leader accused of lying about her race defends herself with new questions about who her real parents might be. A bizarre new twist in an already bizarre story ahead.

[Costello:] "Elle" magazine under fire for its cover photo. Take a look at this cover from its latest women in TV issue. Take a look here, notice anything? Only one actress, Mindy Kaling, on the left, is photographed above the waist. Some are accusing the magazine of hiding Mindy's fuller figure. Nischelle Turner, live in New York. I'm amazed that this has caused so much controversy. Mindy [inaudible] right?
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] You and me both. I'm with you on this, Carol. It's like another year, another fashion and body image story that we are doing again. And like you said, it's "Elle" magazine this time that is being accused of covering up Mindy Kaling, because she is not a size zero. But she is not a plus size either. Now the magazine runs these multiple cover issues and this is the women in TV issue. It features four really funny women in different poses. You've got "New Girl" star Zooey Deschanel, "Girls" actress Alison Williams, "Park and Recreations" Amy Poehler and Mindy Kaling whom we see right here. Now first of all I'm with you it's a gorgeous cover and so there are two ways to think about this. First the way that some people are saying that "Elle" was covering her up; then you can think that this is just a great picture of her on the magazine. And that it actually may be the best cover of all four options. By the way, Mindy loves this cover. And she tweeted about it last night. She tweeted, "I love my @ellemagazine cover it made me feel glamorous and cool. And if anyone wants to see more of my body, go on 13 dates with me." Very smart, very funny.
[Costello:] But also it's kind of weird that that her cover is in black and white and the others were not. It makes you think why?
[Turner:] I looked at that cover as kind of like s throw back to old Hollywood. I mean look at her face and how striking she looks. I mean, you know, I just think it's gorgeous. And I know that sometimes there are you know Hollywood does put this whole size issue on people. But sometimes it's not. And sometimes it's just it's different. And and it makes you think and it makes you wonder if she loves it, then why are we all fired up about it?
[Costello:] I think everyone is going back to the Melissa McCarthy cover right?
[Turner:] Right.
[Costello:] Where she was covered up by a trench coat. Come on.
[Turner:] But yes, but Carol in that same situation, Melissa McCarthy said she loved that "Elle" issue there and that she picked that coat out herself. So so that was another situation where some people thought she was being covered up. But she said, "Well, yes, I covered myself up, because I thought it was very chic." And in that case I feel the same way about that as I knew this I think, I thought Melissa McCarthy looked stunning on that cover of "Elle". And by the way we did reach out to "Elle" and ask about this. And here is what they told us. They said, "Mindy looks sexy, beautiful and chic. We think it's a striking and sophisticated cover and are thrilled to celebrate her in our women in TV issue." I think the question could be and maybe it's a question for the other three ladies, did they get a chance to pick their pictures? Did they want to pick full body shots or were there also photos of them taken of just their face and "Elle" decided not to use them or they decided not to use them. It's a good question. I think it's a good talking point to have and everybody kind has a different opinion.
[Costello:] Yes I just want my face shown.
[Turner:] Listen, lady, you are fine. And don't take that the wrong way. You're gorgeous.
[Costello:] I love you, Nischelle Turner.
[Turner:] OK.
[Costello:] Thanks so much.
[Turner:] All right.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM UNC one of the nation's top institutes of higher learning. And academic counselor there says too many student athletes can't even read.

[Whitfield:] The U.S. military's role in Afghanistan will be extended next year despite President Obama announcing a troop draw down. According to the "New York Times" President Obama had signed an order authorizing a more expansive mission for troops in Afghanistan. Joining me right now is CNN military analyst, Retired Colonel Rick Francona and at the White House, CNN's Erin McPike. So Erin to you first, help us understand what this means.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Fred, first, we want to be clear that this broadens the options that U.S. troops have. It is not a big new military campaign. It's not some sort of big, new offensive. If essentially the Taliban or another group threatens troops or Afghan troops then U.S. troops can carry out missions against them. Now you may remember back in May in the Rose Garden when President Obama announced that he would be winding down the U.S. troop presence there. He said there two remaining objectives. The first was to train Afghan forces and the second was to conduct counterterrorism operations against the remnants of the al Qaeda. This morning, a senior administration official provided a statement to us that explain what is left and what is part of this new expanded role. Saying as part of this mission, the United States may provide combat and enabler support to the Afghan national security forces in limited circumstances to prevent detrimental, strategic effects to these Afghan security forces. That official goes on to say so while we will no longer total belligerence solely because they are members of the Taliban to the extent that Taliban members directly threaten United States and coalition forces in Afghanistan or provide director support to al Qaeda. We'll take appropriate measures to keep Americans safe. And what we're also hearing from the White House and other administration officials is that they learned a lesson from the decade-long campaign in Iraq that shutting the lights s off in Iraq really didn't work and created the conditions for groups like ISIS and Khorasan to be created and they don't want the same thing in Afghanistan Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, so Colonel Francona, let me bring you into this. I wonder a more simplified of saying this, meaning simplified from the White House even though we understand this was kind of a quietly approved plan, that there is going to be military reinforcement to better secure the counterterrorism troops or personnel that are already there. LT. COL. RICK FRANCONA
[Cnn Military Analyst:] That is exactly right. What the president originally wanted to do was to remove American combat forces and leave the training and advisory mission, much like we did in Iraq. And I think everybody's concern now having seen what we saw happen to the Iraqi Army, we don't want the same thing to happen to the Afghan Army when the Taliban does attack them and they will. So what the president is authorizing now is the continued combat operations and I think that is the bottom line here, continued combat operations, not just advising and supporting. It's a smart move and what the Pentagon has been pushing for. I'm just a little concern that the numbers. If he continues to draw down the numbers from where we are now down to about 9,000 that is really not a whole lot of combat force. So we're going to see a lot more American air power being used to replace troops on the ground. It is definitely a change and I think it's a welcome change.
[Whitfield:] It looks like that, I guess, that policy or what has been approved by the president does say there would be more air support involved. Colonel and Erin McPike from the White House, thanks to both of you for helping us collectively understand what this means. Thanks so much. All right, as the Ferguson grand jury weighs possible charges, we'll bring in our legal analysts and ask if law enforcement in Ferguson has been compromised no matter what the outcome.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Those are your headlines. Over to you, guys.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Very important, a lot of people suffer from that or don't even know it and they are afraid to find out what it is.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Exactly, better know.
[Cuomo:] Thank you very much. A lot going on politically so we will take you "Inside Politics" on NEW DAY with Mr. John King. Is it true, you asked not to be on this morning so you could prepare for the World Cup?
[John King, Cnn Host, "inside Politics":] I was going to stretch my knees like those guys, we have to do that while on the set and move the knees up and get loose.
[Bolduan:] Exactly.
[King:] We can do "Inside Politics" and prepare for the World Cup.
[Bolduan:] Multi-tasker.
[Cuomo:] He's a both guy. I like a both guy.
[King:] You are both right that it's so busy. Usually a sleepy Washington summer but not so. So let's get right to "Inside Politics." So with me this morning to share their reporting and their insights, Julie Pace of the "Associated Press" and Manu Raju of "Politico." So the Mississippi votes were counted. Thad Cochran was the winner in the runoff against his Tea Party challenger, Chris McDaniel, who says no, I'm not ready to concede yet. He says he wants to have legal team to take a look. He thinks there were irregularities. What he was trying to say is he believes African-American voters illegally voted in the runoff. Listen to him last night, not only saying I'm not ready to concede, but taking a shot at the Republican establishment.
[Chris Mcdaniel , Senate Candidate:] We have people there that are willing to sacrifice every principle in the world for a movement of power or the almighty dollar. It has to stop.
[King:] There are others, including Rand Paul, Manu, who say it's good if more people vote, good for Republican race to draw African-American voters, but Chris McDaniel is not ready to give up.
[Manu Raju, "politico":] No, he's not and it remains to be seen whether he does mount this legal challenge. Still a lot of skepticism whether he could actually pull this off successfully, and if he doesn't do that, what does he do, does he do a write-in campaign, which could upset the balance here? But it really speaks to the larger debate within the party about how do you broaden your brand and reach out to new voters? Roger Wicker, the Mississippi senator told me yesterday very clearly, he said, we should be reaching out to Democrats, that's what we should do as the Republican Party, broaden our brand. There is nothing wrong what Thad Cochran did according to his supporters.
[King:] It's the state with the highest percentage of African-American voters in the country so you would think here's an opportunity for Republicans to learn the lesson. Thad Cochran had to go to these voters in a moment of need, but maybe he could start to build a relationship and maybe other Republicans could copy it, Julie, but then Rush Limbaugh weighs in. This won't help.
[Rush Limbaugh:] I wonder what the campaign slogan was in Mississippi the past couple of days. Uncle Toms for Thad?
[King:] Anything I say will make it worse, but
[Julie Pace, "associated Press":] You're going to throw it to me now.
[King:] If you find irregularities, fine, investigate them. You have that right after an election to look at things, but to say things like that and disparage people and forgive me, if that's not a racist statement, it's dancing right up to the line of it, how does that help anybody?
[Pace:] It doesn't and a lot of national Republicans just cringe when they see statements like that, when they see things like what McDaniel is saying. This is a party after the 2012 election that said we have to broaden the pace and now you have a ration where they have managed to broaden the base for whatever reason they managed to do that and they have this push and pull and maybe we don't want to broaden the base. It just sends a really mixed message.
[King:] If you look at the national demographics, maybe they can win in House races and Senate races. The Republicans will not be competitive at the presidential level until they improve their standing among non- white voters and Mr. Limbaugh is not helping the cause there. Let's move on to an embarrassment on the Democratic side, Lois Lerner, you remember here. We've talked about her a lot, lately, maybe if you find her e-mails, please give us a call. She's at the center of this investigation in Congress. Did the IRS unfairly target conservative and Tea Party groups when they wanted their tax-exempt status with the IRS essentially going after conservative organizations? We've been talking about her e-mails from the key period have simply disappeared and the administration says the computer crashed. Now this one is curious. E-mails that were provided to Congress show that Lois Lerner received an invitation for Senator Chuck Grassly to a political event and the organization apparently said, Senator, bring your wife and we'll pay for that. Lois Lerner decided to send an e-mail to a colleague saying looked like they were inappropriately offering to pay for his wife. Perhaps we should refer to exam, meaning perhaps we should audit, investigate a sitting Republican United States senator. One of her colleagues said can't do this, the rules don't allow. We need some evidence or some suspicion of illegal activity first, but this does not help her case, which is already pretty bad to begin with.
[Raju:] It fuels the suspicion that there's a political witch-hunt was motivated by politics going after conservative groups, conservative senator right now, a very high ranking member of the finance committee, which oversees the IRS, but we should note that in that the IRS never actually went through with the audit. There was a question about whether or not they could do that, but it does that's exactly what the administration does not want, which is more evidence showing that there was some political mess going around going after the Democrat going after Republican groups.
[King:] It makes it hard for the White House to say this is Republicans trying to make a big partisan issue out of a mistake?
[Pace:] Sure. And it raises the question of if this is something that's in the e-mails that we have, what's in the e-mails that have disappeared, that don't exist anymore and it provides some actual tangible fodder for these hearings that are going to be happening on the Hill.
[King:] One of the president's priorities this year and for the rest of his term is to get some action out of Washington on climate change. He knows he's going to have to do most of that through executive action because he can't get cooperation with the congressman. Listen to the president's tone here speaking to an environmental group, league of conservation voters here. Listen to his tone going after Republicans who he says simply flat refuse to acknowledge that man is contributing to climate change.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] I'm not a scientist, which really translates into I accept that manmade climate change is real, but if I say so out loud I'll be run out of town by a bunch of fringe elements that think climate science is a liberal plot. So I'm going to just pretend like I don't know. I can't read. I'm not a doctor either, but if a bunch of doctors tell me that tobacco can cause lung cancer, then I'll say OK.
[King:] A tad scornful there of his critics.
[Pace:] When he takes that mocking tone, as he sometimes does with Republicans, it drives the GOP absolutely crazy, but on this issue, he feels like not only does he have public opinion on his side, but he feels like he has an executive action plan that can actually make a depth in climate change and sees this as a real part of his legacy. So I think you'll hear him saying things like that on climate change for the next two and a half votes.
[King:] He doesn't have the votes on his side.
[Raju:] No, he doesn't and it's interesting the fight on climate change that he does choose to wage, which is about the science, which is something he can portray the Republicans out of step and out of mainstream, but he's not talking about cap and trade, regulation, things that Republicans portray as job-killing regulations, job killing cap and trade. He wants to fight it on different terms about the science and that they think is a winning argument politically.
[King:] Climate change is one of the many issues where the president is using executive actions. The House Speaker John Boehner yesterday saying that he's had enough and that House Republicans, he wants to take the president to court and to sue him. Listen to the speaker.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] You know, the constitution makes it clear that a president's job is to faithfully execute the laws, and in my view the president has not faithfully executed the laws.
[King:] Is this a serious constitutional challenge, the powers between the legislative and the executive, or is this I'm John Boehner, I'm heading into a mid-term election. I'm going sue the president. My base already doesn't like so the conservatives think, OK, he's on our side.
[Pace:] Well, if you look at what Boehner said yesterday and some of the documentation that they tried to back it up with, there's not a lot of specifics in there so it's a little unclear about what specifically they say the president is in violation of. There is a theory though that you do have some Republicans in the House who are actually calling for impeachment of the president and this could be a way for John Boehner to say I'm trying to take some action against the president.
[Raju:] When I go to the conservative rallies around the country, this is one of the things that really riles up conservative voters. They believe this president has been lawless, has not followed the law and what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it, John Boehner? And now they can say we're going to sue the president and this is clearly an effort to placate that base.
[King:] Keep an eye on that. Manu and Julie, thanks for coming in. Mr. Cuomo, you do that when Kate oversteps her power, do you use executive action or you take order?
[Bolduan:] Overstepping my power. There is no overstepping when you have ultimate power.
[Cuomo:] Limitless. In this context, it would be limitless.
[Bolduan:] John, you know this, you're so silly.
[Cuomo:] John, thank you for trying to throw me under the bus. There's a new term to introduce into this discussion by the lawsuit, by the way, frivolous lawsuit. You can sue, but if the basis for the lawsuit has no real standing in law, it's frivolous, and I wonder if that might be something. Funny to see the lawmakers sanctioned for bringing a lawsuit in the first place.
[Bolduan:] Right, exactly. Coming up next on NEW DAY, a U.S. Marine jailed in Mexico for months is pleading for his release and has been as a veterans organization calls for a boycott over his arrest. A Mexican official is joining us to talk about the case.

[Cuomo:] Oh, boy! This song because signature of one of the best closers in history. For nearly two decades, they trembled in fear within they heard Mariano Rivera's entrance song "Enter Sandman" play through the speakers at Yankee's Stadium. Yesterday, as part of Rivera's farewell, metalLica showed up for a surprise performance. Let's bring in Andy Scholes for this morning's "Bleacher Report" and tell us about the events. It was fitting.
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] Yes, it definitely was, Chris. You know, whenever "Enter Sandman" played at Yankee Stadium over the years and Rivera came in from the bull pen, you pretty much knew the game was over. And for the first time in his hall of fame career, Rivera, he got to hear his song played live in center field. Take a look.
[Scholes:] After playing "Enter Sandman," Metallica and the Yankees, they both showered Rivera with farewell gifts on his special day. Now, Rivera came in and pitched a scoreless ninth inning in the game, but unfortunately, the Giants spoiled the day, beating the Yankees 2-1. To the NFL, Colts quarterback, Andrew Luck, played for Jim Harbaugh at Stanford before both men made the leap to the NFL, and it was the student schooling the teacher in this one. Luck did it in the air and on the ground to lead the Colts to a shocking 27-7 win over the 49ers. The Colts are now 2-1 on the season. And New York football fans are either happy or sad this morning, depending on whether they're Jets or Giants fans. The Giants were absolutely man-handled by the Panthers, losing 38-0. They're 0-3. Their worst start since Bill Clinton was president. The Jets, on the other hand, they, once again, found a way to get a "W." Sure, they had a team record 20 penalties in this one, but hey, Chris, a win is a win. They're now 2-1 on the season. And guys, I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone in New York if they were asked before the season what scenario that could not happen? The Giants being 0-3 and the Jets being 2-1 would something they would have said.
[Cuomo:] I beg to differ, Captain Handsome. I felt that the Jets were inevitably going to be 3-0 because they are the best team in the league as everybody knows.
[Bolduan:] Because he's a believer, Andy. He's a believer.
[Scholes:] Yes. Another interesting factor, guys.
[Cuomo:] Oh-oh.
[Scholes:] First time in NFL history the Giants are 0 and 3 as well as the Redskins.
[Bolduan:] All right, Andy.
[Cuomo:] That's a meaningless distinction, Andy. And I wish you hadn't said it on my air
[Bolduan:] Thank you, Andy. We're now at the top of the hour, which means it's time for the top news.
[Unidentified Female:] It's on my head, but Lord protected me.
[Cuomo:] Breaking news. There are still hostages in that Kenya mall. Gunshots ring out this morning, and the FBI now investigating whether some of the attackers are American. We have the latest.
[Bolduan:] Not again. The president's impassioned plea. A new call for gun control in the wake of the Navy Yard shooting. The NRA's leadership also speaking out, calling for more good guys with guns as a solution.
[Pereira:] Hillary speaks. The revealing new interview with Hillary Clinton what she's saying about running for president and how she's now spending her days.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now.
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[Bolduan:] Breaking news we're following throughout this morning. Welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Monday, September 23rd, seven o'clock in the east. Let's get right to that breaking news out of Kenya. Happening right now, explosions and gunfire as smoke rises above the upscale mall in Nairobi. This is a live look right now at the very active scene. You see the smoke right there. The deadly drama unfolding as authorities are now saying Kenyan forces have rescued more hostages and are closing in on the rest of the attackers.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn:] And welcome back. It is 9:00 p.m. here in Baltimore. We're boradcasting tonight from City Hall and all aroudn this city, an hour away from a citywide curfew. Everyone is supposed to be off the streets from 10:00 p.m. tonight to 5:00 a.m. Police have been going out with bullhorns reminding people to go home. Now, at this moment, protesters are still out there. There are protesters here at City Hall behind us. Our reporters are out as well, men from a local megachurch where religious and civic leaders and community members gather tonight, they are marching, carrying a message of nonviolence to the community. There was a lot more hope out there tonight than there was certainly 24 hours ago. There were also 3,000 police and National Guard troops on the ground. We got a lot to cover in the next hour before the curfew begins, including when you expect a police conference very shortly. At first, I want to go to our Jason Carroll. Jason, explain where you are in relation to City Hall and what you're seeing?
[Jason Carroll, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well we are at Pennsylvania in North. And what you're seeing right now, Anderson, is the line of volunteers that have come out here to put a distance between themselves and police, making even more distance now between police and the crowd that is out here. The crowd dwindled some in numbers, still a significant number of people but not what we saw even two hours ago. What they're trying to do now is just trying to move people back. Just a little bit more, you can see beyond the link chain. Some people there who are still sort of caught in the middle. Police trying to create more of a distance between themselves and those who are still out here. Even just more than about a few minutes ago, Anderson, and I just saw someone just trying to throw something there at some of the officers there. Some sort of an object there at officers. We'll see what happens now. Let me try to get a better view point here. As we move through, you can see some of those here and still trying to tell people to move back to move back and to try to keep some of the piece. So you can see over there. Leon, see if you can try to get a better shot in there. Thank you. Just going to move in to try to see if we can get a better vantage point here, Anderson, and see what's happening. That unity line that we talked about, just more than an hour ago.
[Cooper:] Jason, we'll come back to you. Brian, I want to I need to go to our Brian Todd, he's out with marchers. He joins us now. Brian, what's happening where you are?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Excuse us. Anderson, pretty dangerous situation just unfold to us. Some of these volunteers were trying to put some of the demonstrators back. One of the volunteers got a little over [inaudible], pushed a journalist it looks like a journalist back and almost made him fall. That created a really tense situation, just a moment ago here. It's calm down, but this is one of the things that we've been watching out for. But it's fairly calm. I mean, once something like this happens, our experience tonight is, that a bunch of people get in the middle of it and camp it down. And that is what has just happen. Also, some of these volunteers, you mentioned it's just an hour before curfew. Some of these volunteers have yelled out very vociferously, anyone under 17, go home. They have actually I've seen them take young people, children and not push them but just kind of escort them down the street this way and telling them to go home. They do not want to mess with the police curfew. They are determined these volunteers, try to keep the peace here. A moment ago with the situation where the journalist got push back, it was very tense. But again, just as quickly, Anderson, it has calm down. And the reason is, is because of largely, this crowd, like the crowds we saw last week are self policing. Whenever things get out of hand, several volunteers or just people participating in it, come into the middle of it and try to just basically tap down the agitation and the tension. Now they're moving us back a little bit, we're not sure exactly why, but these volunteers who have come out are doing a lot of this. We don't and what we have observed here, they are the ones doing this, not the police. Although they maybe in some communication with the police, I'm not sure. You see them up there, there's a lot of yelling, some change confrontation, but this has been peaceful up until just a moment ago, but that was tapped down fairly quickly, Anderson.
[Cooper:] There are obviously a lot of very strong emotions out on the streets tonight as there have been for days now, even among the peaceful protest which we are seeing tonight. There's obviously a very strong emotion, there's a lot of anger, a lot of frustration. A lot of people feel their voices are not being heard. I want to check in with Miguel Marquez. Miguel, where are you right now and what are you seeing?
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Well look, we're all very close to each other. Brian was just over here and this is the crowd as we are pushing back. And the volunteers who are out there are doing it for a very good reason. And the festival like an environment that we saw out here today was, because people here wanted to say, this is their neighborhood and this is how they are going to do it. They wanted to world not to see a line of police officers across North Avenue, right here. They wanted the world to see a line of people from this neighborhood, people who care about this neighborhood. And that said, people who are across Baltimore came here today. In the hundreds of thousands, we saw people with gloves on, rakes and a shovel, everything, in order to clean up this place. And I've been here for a week now, it is becoming in a very good shape, based on what I was like, last night. This is Pennsylvania Avenue, you're about three miles down this road, Anderson. This avenue was almost a no go zone last night, frightening, looting. Right down here is where they punch the hole in the hose, as the firefighters were trying establish some water. It's less than an hour now before that curfew kicks in. This crowd has been, it's been amazing our here all day, it has literally [inaudible] festival. This is their neighborhood. They walk the world to that, they don't thing the police are necessary and it will be very interesting to see how it is that this police force if able to clear this area from 10:00. We get only we get hope that everything goes well. Everybody here has been certainly focused on it going well. Anderson.
[Cooper:] Miguel, it's interesting what's happening here at City Hall actually is that the attorney for Freddie Gray's family who was just on this broadcast. He is actually not talking to this group of protesters who have been here. He is trying to explain what the family of Freddie Gray has been calling for. And clearly he's getting a very positive response from the protestors who are here. Actually, I want to bring over here if I could. Just what you have been telling what have you been telling people?
[Billy Murphy J.r., Attorney For Freddie Gray"s Family:] He wants to know what I've just told you. Can I tell him? All right, all right.
[Cooper:] So what have you been saying to the protesters?
[Murphy:] I made a analogy today. If they rooting for the prosecutor, would you want the prosecutor to tell the Ravens, for example of let's pretend the prosecutors are Ravens and there are Ravens fans, would you want the Ravens to tell the Patriots what your strategy is? That's like general costume, you know, what happen to him. And so it is strategically found for the prosecutor not to show all of [inaudible].
[Cooper:] So you are trying to tap down any expectations that on Friday there's going to be a [inaudible]?
[Murphy:] Absolutely. And that's important. And they heard me, they got it. The problem is that I can't talk to enough groups about this. And so that's where you come in. And so we ought to make sure that if you're rooting for one team, you don't want that team to tell too much to the defense before they develop their offense.
[Cooper:] I appreciate it. Thanks again. I appreciate it. Again, it's just one group of protesters here. Mr. Murphy there, the attorney for t the Gray family. Joining us here is our legal analyst Sunny Hostin, who is both a former resident of the area. Here, also a long time fried of Baltimore's mayor, we should point out. also joining us is the DeKalb County, Georgia police chief, Cedric Alexander, also former NYPD detective Harry Houck and New York and CNN political commentator Van Jones. Chief Alexander, I'm wondering what your thoughts are in what you're seeing on the streets here and why you wanted to be here?
[Cedric Alexander, Pres. Natl. Organization Of Black Law Enforcement Executives:] Well and it certainly look much calmer than it did last night, Anderson, and that's a good sign. We're going to see as the night progress, in terms of the curfew that's going to be upon us here in a few minutes. We are all very sad by what we saw last night, it was just absolutely horrific, where you have people that live in this community, destroying their community. But what's really I've noted in the time that I've been here on the ground, is there is so many people in Baltimore that love this community, that are out here tonight trying to keep peace. And that is so important as very moment goes by. And I think it's going to play itself out later on as well too, when you have citizens who live in this community, who live in this neighborhoods, who certainly want to protest and talk about their concern, which are [inaudible] to them. The good part of this is, however, of course, is that fact they want to do something to make a difference. And they don't want to see their neighborhoods destroyed anymore, such as we saw last night. And that is so obvious, it's up in here.
[Cooper:] Sunny, it clearly seems that the mayor here did not want to repeat of Ferguson in terms of what, at least, she believed was the over response by the Ferguson police department. The criticism now is that she there was an under respond.
[Sunny Hostin, Former Federal Presecutor:] Yes, that's true and I did have the opportunity to speak to her about that and she was very concern about overmilitarizing the police. Because I think one of the lessons learned in Ferguson, Anderson, where you and I were both there, is that when you have a community that already has a tense relationship with the police, overmilitarizing the police can exacerbate that situation. [21:10;03] So she's had that very real concern. But I think certainly that she's a very measured person, this was a very measured response from the mayor. And people, you know, I think there are two sides of he issue, some people think that overmilitarization or at least preparedness of the police is very important. And others think that it's sort of a wait and see, it's a very fluid situation. But I do want to just piggyback a bit on what Billy Murphy said, because the bottom line is May 1st has been sort of this deadline and everyone in the community is talking about, I've spoken to many people about that because that is when the police department is scheduled to turnover their investigation to the State Attorney's office. And may people think that those reports should be made public. I don't know that that's going to happen, because typically a prosecutor gets that information and continues the investigation. So I really hope that our viewers and the public do understand that they may not have all of the information on Friday, on May.
[Cooper:] And according to Mr. Murphy, it certainly sounds like that is not going to happen, they're not going to have any of that information that's been released. Van Jones, you know, we talked to the guest earlier about a councilman about, what do you say to young people here, what do you say to people who feel their voices aren't being heard. I'm wondering, you have a lot of experience in this realm, what do you say to people?
[Van Jones, Co-founder, Rebuild The Dream:] Well, you know, first of all we have to be very clear. These young people are they're not stupid, they have gotten the message, they have gotten the memo that America does not really care very much about them. Many of them do not expect to live very long. They do not expect to live free for very long. And they've gotten the message that, listen, they're lives just don't mean that much to anybody. People keep saying, why this kids say black lies, man of black lies, man that's racist, that's [inaudible]. Now, listen to the pain under that. Either you have to just say that my life matters. There's real pain there. And so if you don't meet them where the pain is, and it say, "Listen, I get it. I care about you. I love. I want you to do well. I want you to be winner and not a loser. Let's talk about how we get you from where you are to where you want to go." If you weren't coming with love in your heart, then what you're going to do is you're going to retrigger and that's why I say, "You're a thug. You are this, you are that." You got to retrigger them, you don't want to call them out, you want to call them up. That's the key, call them up. You know, we want you to be a strong young man and a good leader in this community, you got a lot of influence here, a lot of people listen to you. Hey, don't you want to make sure that when people see Baltimore, they see this community, they think good things about you and which you got a change now to do something possible in this attention. You start pulling them up, you don't call them out, put them down, because you're adding pain to pain. That never works with young people. Don't work with old people very well, it definitely doesn't work with young people who don't feel America is there for them.
[Cooper:] Harry, let me ask you just from a police standpoint, a curfew has been announced, it's going to take place at 10:00 tonight. If the protest remain peaceful, could and people remain out of the street, I mean, that's a dilemma for the police. Do you just because the protest are peaceful, you let people violate the curfew? I mean how forceful does one get in terms of trying to enforce a curfew?
[Harry Houck, Retired Nypd Detective:] Well that's a very interesting question and a good question. I hate to be the chief who is going to make a decision there. But the fact is that I'm hoping that when we get to the countdown of the curfew, then the police officer start saying there's 15 minutes left to the curfew, 20 minutes left to the curfew, that the leaders around it will start trying to convince people to leave the streets. Now, if we get to 10:00, all right and we have no violence on there, I don't think it would be a real good move for the police officers to move in. I think they would probably just wait for the clerics and the volunteers to help people eventually move off the street. Because and we have police just moving in at 10:00, then we're probably going to have a violent situation.
[Cooper:] We're going to be watching very carefully over this next hour, how as the curfew approaches, how people respond in this, to Harry's point. How the community leaders try to enforce their curfew, try to spread the message of the curfew. Police are expected to speak to the media momentarily. Their last news conference before the curfew, before that 10 p.m. curfew takes place, we'll obviously bring that to you live. We expect to hear as well with a local clergymen, retired General Russel Honore also joins us as well as the curfew approaches. We'll be right back.

[Gupta:] Someone dies every 19 minutes from a prescription drug overdose and most of these deaths involve painkillers. Now, I'll tell you, part of the problem is that painkiller prescriptions in this country are being written at a furious pace. Dr. Lynn Webster is considered a leader in the field of pain management. He's president of the American Academy of Pain Medicine.
[Dr. Lynn Webster, American Academy Of Pain Medicine:] We've got over 100 million Americans who are experiencing chronic pain.
[Gupta:] He's the author of a scoring system used by doctors to distinguish painkiller addicts from legitimate patients. And he's the founder of this pain clinic in Salt Lake City. [on camera]: What is his reputation?
[Dr. Andrew Kolodny, Physicians For Responsible Opioid Prescribing:] His methods are incorporated into almost every single educational program about prescribing opioids and even accepted by the
[Fda. Gupta:] But if you start to ask around a bit, you'll learn that his reputation among some former patients and their families is astonishingly different.
[Roy Bosley:] His reputation is he's known as Dr. Death.
[Gupta:] Known as Dr. Death?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Gupta:] That's how your wife's doctor was described?
[Bosley:] Dr. Death.
[Gupta:] Multiple overdose deaths at the Life Tree Pain Clinic which Webster ran for more than a decade now hover over him.
[Bosley:] He went unconscious.
[Gupta:] There are allegations of irresponsible prescribing practices and in the case of one patient, influencing what was written as the cause of death.
[Bosley:] Here's the interesting part.
[Gupta:] Roy Bosley's wife Carol Ann first went to the Life Tree Pain Clinic in 2008. Years earlier, her car had been broadsided.
[Bosley:] She did not have the seat belt fastened and went through the windshield.
[Gupta:] After several operations on her spine, she managed her pain with low doses of painkillers. [on camera]: She's still functioning doing everything she needs to do.
[Bosley:] Yes, yes.
[Gupta:] But that would soon change when a friend suggested Carol Ann go to the Life Tree Clinic. Within a few weeks of becoming a patient
[Bosley:] Carol Ann was pretty much hooked.
[Gupta:] When you say hooked, you mean what?
[Bosley:] She was hooked on the pain medicine. She needed it.
[Gupta:] This is what Carol Ann was prescribed a year before her death a painkiller and an anxiety medication, between 100 and 120 pills a month. Now, fast-forward one year. She was prescribed seven different drugs, painkillers, anti-anxiety pills, antidepressants all told, about 600 pills per month. The same steep climb in medications allegedly was seen among other patients who died after getting care at Life Tree. Like this case, described in a medical malpractice claim recently filed against Webster and Life Tree. A 42-year-old who was prescribed about 200 pills a month when she first started at life tree. That's a little more than six pills a day. Seven years later, just before she died of an overdose, she was taking 1,158 pills per month or about 40 each day. At the Bosley home, a sad spectacle filled with denial and overdoses began unfolding.
[Bosley:] There were numerous times that we ended up in the emergency room for fear that she was going to die.
[Gupta:] Bosley said he would regularly return home from work with Carol Ann unconscious and barely breathing. You took pictures of your wife essentially unconscious.
[Bosley:] Correct.
[Gupta:] Must have been a hard thing to do.
[Bosley:] Very hard.
[Gupta:] Bosley says he tried to show the photos to Dr. Webster and other staff members and he tried calling the clinic to vent his concerns. He was shut down, with staff citing patient privacy or
[Hipaa:] You weren't so much as asking for information as you wanted to provide it.
[Bosley:] I said, I am not asking for information. And I was given the HIPAA excuse and that was the end of it.
[Gupta:] So, what does Dr. Webster have to say about the claims against him and his clinic? Well, despite our best efforts, not much. He did, however, respond to lawsuits filed against him and his clinic and denied responsibility for the deaths. We called his spokesperson. [on camera]: We certainly want to give him an opportunity to comment and to respond to some of this. [voice-over]: But he declined our interview. So, we decided to go straight to him. [on camera]: I'm in Boston at an event where Dr. Lynn Webster is going to be speaking. You know, we've repeatedly asked him for an interview and through his spokesman he was repeatedly declined. So, we decided to come here and ask him ourselves in person. Dr. Webster? Sanjay Gupta, with CNN, I'm wearing a microphone. I wonder if I could ask you a couple of questions. I've been trying to reach out to your team
[Webster:] I've got an appointment right now.
[Gupta:] Will you sit down and talk to us afterward?
[Webster:] I've got an appointment right now. Thank you.
[Gupta:] After the appointment, will you sit down and talk to us?
[Webster:] I've got an appointment.
[Gupta:] Can I walk with you? Are you walking to your appointment here? Will you answer a couple of questions for us?
[Webster:] No.
[Gupta:] You don't want to answer any questions?
[Webster:] No.
[Gupta:] OK, all right. [voice-over]: We did get a statement ultimately. In it, Dr. Webster says the clinic treated difficult and complicated people with pain, with the highest standard of care. He went on to call the deaths a tragedy of the worst kind for patients to die not from a result of treatment but in spite of it.
[Bosley:] She was doing great. She was up to walking almost five miles a day.
[Gupta:] Several months after starting at Life Tree, Carol Ann Bosley kicked the opioids and she went to rehab.
[Bosley:] She had lost weight. She was managing her pain on Tylenol, only.
[Gupta:] Soon afterward, he says Carol Ann got a call.
[Bosley:] She said, Dr. Webster has requested that we come down both of us come down and meet with him.
[Gupta:] To Roy Bosley's surprise, during the appointment, he says Webster suggested Carol Ann get back on narcotic painkillers.
[Bosley:] And my response to him was, my wife is addicted.
[Gupta:] About a year after that appointment, after taking his advice, Carol Ann Bosley overdosed again. This time, it was fatal. But Carol Ann's story does not end there. Weeks after her death, the medical examiner had ruled her death a suicide.
[Bosley:] I said, why did you label it suicide? And he says, well, I called Dr. Webster. He told me that she committed suicide. Why do you have to call Dr. Webster to get a diagnosis? Shouldn't the diagnosis be based on the evidence in front of you?
[Gupta:] The Utah medical examiner's office say that Webster didn't have any influence over Carol Ann's stated cause of death which makes what happened next even more puzzling.
[Bosley:] Maybe five weeks later, I get a revised autopsy report. Cause of death, undetermined.
[Gupta::] When it came back undetermined, was there an explanation? They just changed it? [voice-over]: It's been four years since Carol Ann Bosley died. Her husband still wonders why his pleas for help to the staff at Life Tree and especially Lynn Webster fell on deaf ears. [on camera]: You blame Dr. Webster for your wife's death?
[Bosley:] I do. To this day, I regret that I did not go down there and find him. I would have pinned him to the wall, and I would have made him listen, and then I would have warned him with his life. Leave my wife alone.
[Gupta:] Now, I'll tell you some of the family members of patients who died of overdoses after receiving treatment at Life Tree did file lawsuits against Dr. Lynn Webster. And in response to those cases, Dr. Webster continues to deny all the allegations against him. Now, up next, healthy eating. A lot of people tell me that it's simply too expensive to do. So, we're going to show you how you can do it without breaking the bank.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] You are watching CNN. Got some breaking news for you this afternoon. I'm Brooke Baldwin. We have to begin with this video. This is a video. This is according to ISIS, or they call themselves the Islamic State. They released this video today. And this terrorist organization has beheaded another American, Steven Sotloff. This video has a title. That is "A Second Message to America," and it appears to show the brutal execution of the 31-year-old American journalist. Sotloff disappeared while reporting in Syria last year. We need to be clear here, as we're getting new information. At this point, the Pentagon is not confirming any reports on Steven Sotloff. Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby was just asked about that at the Pentagon briefing last hour. This is his response.
[Rear Adm. John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary:] We have all seen press reporting about the potential murder by ISIL of Mr. Sotloff. I don't have anything to confirm it today. Obviously, we're monitoring as best we can. And our thoughts and prayers continue to go out to the Sotloff family, who has endured incredible hardship and suffering just by virtue of his captivity and being held hostage. But I can't confirm those press reports right now.
[Baldwin:] British Prime Minister David Cameron has released a statement. He's saying Sotloff's apparent death is quote "an absolutely disgusting and despicable act." Cameron is expected to make a further statement later tonight. And keep in mind just the context of this second beheading. It was two weeks ago in another video ISIS threatened to kill Steven Sotloff and we saw him in that video in that orange jumpsuit if President Obama did not back off on U.S. airstrikes in Iraq. And it was that video that showed the murder of American freelance journalist James Foley. In this video that we're focusing on today involving Steven Sotloff in the final moments of his life, Sotloff spoke directly into the camera. He said he is quote "paying the price for U.S. intervention" And considering he was a captive, it is likely that those words were scripted for him by ISIS, by these terrorists. Sotloff's mother made a desperate plea for her son's life just last week. In her video message, Shirley Sotloff spoke directly to the leader of ISIS, saying her son was not responsible for American actions in Iraq. So, joining me now, correspondent Karl Penhaul. He is live in London. He's seen this video. We will begin with you, Karl. Also standing by at the White House, we have Athena Jones, also terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank, and Jomana Karadsheh in Baghdad. So, let me begin, Karl, first with you. You have seen this video. Tell me what you saw.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] It's a video of about two minutes and 45, Brooke. Of course, we see Steven Sotloff once again in this orange jumpsuit, the style of uniform that Guantanamo Bay prisoners would have worn. We also see the man holding a combat knife in his left hand. This appear to be the very same man that appeared in the James Foley execution video two weeks ago as well. From what we can tell, these two videos do not appear to have been filmed at the same time. They are filmed in a very similar style. Seems that both were filmed with two separate cameras, giving us two different camera angles. But there are a number of differences that indicate that the Sotloff video was filmed much more recently. First of all, look at Sotloff himself. In the video two weeks ago, his head was pretty much shaven and he didn't have much of a beard. In the video today, he's got a lot more hair on his head and the stubble of a beard growth as well. A number of days have definitely passed there. Also, the man speaking in a British accent or apparently a British accent refers to bombings around the Mosul dam, but, more importantly, around the northeastern Iraqi attorney around Amirli. Well, that bombing campaign, as Admiral Kirby said in the Pentagon press briefing just a few moments ago, took place late Saturday into Sunday, and so if the audio and video was recorded at the same time, that would put this video, the timing of it and the timing of Steven Sotloff's execution at some time just after Sunday. Also importantly, in this video, we hear the executioner waving his knife and saying, "Obama, back off, just leave us alone," and then we see him grabbing another apparent hostage by scruff of the neck, a man that they that the ISIS propaganda video names as a Briton, David Cawthorne Haines, the implication there that he's next on the list, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] You mentioned the Mosul dam and also the airstrikes over the weekend in Amirli, and the masked terrorist holding that knife mentions exactly that and we have a little bit of audio. I just want to air this.
[Unidentified Male:] Because of your insistence of continuing your bombings in Amirli and in Mosul dam, despite our serious warnings, you, Obama, have yet again, through your actions, killed yet another American citizen. So, just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.
[Baldwin:] It is chilling. It is maddening to listen to this. Paul Cruickshank, let me just bring you in, hearing again a similar thick British accent as what we heard in the James Foley beheading video, your read on this?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, Brooke, this is not just a message to the United States, to the White House, but also a message to ISIS'supporters around the world, their extremist supporters, and that message is that we're fighting back, we're not going to take this lying down an, this is going to be the way we will retaliate for U.S. strikes in Iraq. So, this is clearly also for propaganda purposes for ISIS, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] We have just actually gotten a message from Steven Sotloff's family. It's brief, but let me just read this for you. This is from the spokesman. And they have said the family knows of the video and is grieving privately. The family is awaiting the authentication of the video. And so that is happening within the intelligence community. Again,this just based upon what we're reporting, what we see in this ISIS video, the family and presumably the White House, State Department waiting for the authentication of the video as well. Jomana, let me just go to you in Baghdad as we're talking and just to pull back for a minute and give our viewers perspective. When we talk about these airstrikes, this is the most recent round of airstrikes in Iraq. It was over the weekend in Amirli, correct?
[Jomana Karadsheh, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, Brooke. Those airstrikes were a game changer. Amirli was besieged for more than two months. The U.N. warned of a massacre that would happen if ISIS managed to get into the town. People in there were defending themselves. The Iraqi military and Shia militias had been mobilized to go and break that siege of Amirli, but they were having real difficulty getting there. The areas around in Salahuddin province, that's north of Baghdad, had been under the control of ISIS since June. They were facing a lot of resistance. And on Saturday night and into Sunday morning, when we saw those U.S. airstrikes, the U.S. said those were in conjunction with the aid drops to facilitate the humanitarian mission. But within a few hours of that, Brooke, the siege of Amirli ended and Iraqi forces and Shia militia entered the town. Really these airstrikes in the areas where we have seen them taking place have been a game changer, allowing these troops on the ground to make advances and to roll back the gains of
[Isis. Baldwin:] So a game changer over the weekend, part of this greater, larger airstrike campaign that we have seen playing out in Iraq, but not in Syria. Let me just pivot to you at the White House, Athena Jones, because you see this ISIS fighter, this terrorist speaking once again directly to the president saying essentially back off, back off of these airstrikes. The president has been criticized, particularly when he spoke at the White House after meeting with his national security team last Thursday. When asked specifically about potential airstrikes in Syria, the president said he didn't want to put the cart before the horse, that he had no strategy and he's been criticized since. What is the White House response to all of this?
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, first of all, the reports of the killing, the second beheading of an American journalist, were coming out during the White House press briefing. And so White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest responded during the briefings to those reports. If we have that, let's go ahead and play what he said.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] I have not seen those reports today. That may have just happened in the last few minutes while I have been standing up here. This is something that the administration has obviously been watching very carefully since this threat against Mr. Sotloff's life was originally made a few weeks ago. Our thoughts and prayers, first and foremost, are with Mr. Sotloff and Mr. Sotloff's family and those who worked with him. The United States, as you know, has dedicated significant time and resources to trying and rescue Mr. Sotloff. I am not in a position to confirm the authenticity of that video or the reports at this point, obviously since I just walked out here. But this is if there is a video that has been released, it's something that will be analyzed very carefully by the U.S. government and our intelligence officials to determine its authenticity.
[Jones:] And of course the community is working as fast as they can to try to confirm this. But just as we heard the video described by Karl Penhaul, it sounds very similar to the video we saw just under two weeks ago, the beheading of James Foley. And so we'd be surprised of course if is not authenticated and it's going to talk about the pressure we have been talking about, the pressure now from both sides of Congress on this president to put together a plan. He's now hearing from even folks like Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein, who is the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, questioning whether he's taking too cautious an approach to figuring out how to deal with ISIS not just in Iraq, but also in Syria Brooke.
[Baldwin:] OK. Athena, thank you so much. Sorry. I was just getting some news in my ear that we're now beginning to get statements from previous employers of Steven Sotloff. We will share those for you on the other side of the break. But, quickly, if I may, Paul Cruickshank, let me just come back to you for one more point, because in the wake of the first beheading of the American, of James Foley, you know, we started to discuss and I just think it's worth reminding viewers the U.S. policy when it comes to not paying ransoms for these Americans, for these prisoners held by these organizations like ISIS, because we know a number of Europeans are held hostage and certain European nations, for example, Spain, they are willing to pay millions to rescue their own. Why is that?
[Cruickshank:] Well, you will have to ask them that very same question and they have certainly been criticized that this is incentivizing terrorist groups to take Europeans hostage because it can be a big moneymaking thing for them. Over the last five years, al Qaeda and its affiliates have raised over $100 million from these kind of kidnappings. So, ISIS has clearly got into this business as well. There was big ransom demand for some of these Americans which we saw, Brooke, a few weeks ago.
[Baldwin:] Paul Cruickshank, thank you so much. Athena, Karl, I thank all of you here as we continue our breaking coverage. I have Brian Stelter just waiting in the wings. He's getting some new information, some comments, as I mentioned, from Steven Sotloff we have a statement from the family spokesperson and also learning a little bit more about Steven Sotloff, 31-year-old from Florida, what previous employers are sharing with us here at CNN in the wake of the news, according to this ISIS video, he's been beheaded. We will be right back. As you continue to follow the breaking news here on CNN, I just wanted to take a moment to talk a little bit more about what we're learning about Steven Sotloff, this American journalist who, according to this most recent ISIS video, has been beheaded. Steven Sotloff was a 31-year-old who grew up in South Florida with his mother, his father, his younger sister. He studied journalism, majoring in journalism at the University of Central Florida. He took Arabic classes and subsequently picked up freelance writing work for a bunch of publications, including "TIME" magazine, "Foreign Policy," "World Affairs," and "The Christian Science Monitor." His travels took him to Yemen, to Saudi Arabia, to Qatar, to Turkey and then eventually to Syria. Just getting more information here on Steven Sotloff the man, the journalist, the son, I want to bring in Brian Stelter. He's our senior media correspondent and host of CNN's "RELIABLE SOURCES." And so just again, in case you're just tuning in, let me just briefly read. We have heard from a family spokesman from the Sotloffs again saying that the family knows of the video and is grieving privately. And they're awaiting the official authentication of the video.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] We will hear more from the family once
[Stelter:] receive more confirmation.
[Baldwin:] What are you hearing from former employers?
[Stelter:] "TIME" magazine just put out a statement saying of course how shocked and deeply saddened they are. I want to read a part of it, if I can, from Nancy Gibbs, the editor.
[Baldwin:] Sure.
[Stelter:] And she wrote: "Steven was a valued contributor to "TIME" and other news organizations, and he gave his life so readers would have access to information from some of the most dangerous places in the world. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family." I just want to underline the point about giving readers access to information from these countries. You were listing some of the countries he reported from. He was eager when he was in school, when he was at the University of Central Florida to leave school and to go to the Middle East and to start covering these stories of, in some cases, the oppressed people that ISIS claims wrongly to represent.
[Baldwin:] That's exactly what his mom, Shirley, said in that video.
[Stelter:] Every murder that ISIS commits is horrible to see. And there have been others, Syrians and others murdered, executed there. But to see a journalist who was there to tell their stories executed, really, I just it's worth underscoring, that that's what he was there to do. He was there to tell their stories.
[Baldwin:] And you had a you cover media, social media here at CNN and you had a family representative of the Sotloffs reach out to you last week asking for help.
[Stelter:] Last week, this was for a year after Steven went missing in Syria, there was a lid on his story. That means the press, any members of press who knew about it didn't talk about his disappearance because the family thought he would be safer if his disappearance wasn't publicized. But once he was shown in that ISIS video, they had no choice but to be public about it. And of course when that happens, the family employs various people at various places to try to manage the situation. So I had a person reach out to me and say, we need to reach someone at Twitter to get some tweets taken down that we believe might jeopardize his safety.
[Baldwin:] As recent as last week.
[Stelter:] And that was last week. And I think what we will hear about in the coming days is other efforts that were going on behind the scenes to secure his release, in the same way that we heard that James Foley's employers were trying to come up with the ransom money that ISIS had demanded. Of course it seemed afterwards as if ISIS wasn't was going to go through with their plans regardless of whether that money came through or not. But I think we will hear more about those efforts and it seems like the family will have more to say once they have heard more.
[Baldwin:] We're getting a little bit more. Let me just read this. We're just the control room just telling me Steven Sotloff's high school has just released a statement. This is a statement from Kimball Union High School in Maryland. And in part this is what they write about Steven: "Steven was dedicated to putting a human face on the sufferings and hardships in some of the world's most challenging conflict zones. His work became a humanitarian mission that helped others gain a more accurate and realistic global perspective on issues in the Middle East." Exactly to your point.
[Stelter:] And we should mention that when we're showing images on screen of Steven Sotloff, we're trying to show images of his life.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Stelter:] There are a couple of still images that we have chosen to show from the videotape that was put online, but for the most part, we are showing images like these, as we should, celebrating the person he was and the work he was doing and the reporting he was doing. Even Web sites that typically show these terrible videos, Web sites that exist just to show gory videos, some of them, LiveLeak.com, for example, said we're not going to show any more of these beheading videos. They serve no purpose. There's no reason to be showing them and of course news organizations go a step further and they say, like CNN, we're only going to show a couple of still images and not of the actual beheading because there's really no need or reason to be seeing that.
[Baldwin:] Brian Stelter, thank you so much. More coverage of the life of Steven Sotloff after this. You are watching CNN breaking news here and the apparent murder of American journalist Steven Sotloff. This is according to the latest ISIS video just released in the last hour or so. And no doubt that this killing will bring the same kind of chill to war reporters as James Foley's beheading did two weeks ago. My next guest is a peer of Sotloff and Foley. Michael Weiss, columnist for "Foreign Policy" magazine, editor-in-chief of "The Interpreter," joins me live from Kiev in Ukraine, which is according to this president quote "in full-scale war." We were planning, Michael, to talk to you about what is happening with Russia and Ukraine, but we have to talk about this latest video here. First, did you know Steven Sotloff? What can you share about that?
[Michael Weiss, "foreign Policy":] No, unfortunately, I'm sorry that I didn't know him. But I knew his body of work and I certainly among journalists, he was held in very high esteem. He had written a few articles for "Foreign Policy," a publication that I'm a columnist at. He was very well-respected. It's just another grave tragedy, and I'm sorry to say I think this was almost inevitable. I don't think anything that the United States could have done would have stopped ISIS from doing it. They have a very specific strategy, which is to inspire and provoke fear and a sense of menace in the United States and in the West. I think it's also interesting this is speculation, but they didn't do this or release this video yesterday, probably knowing that this was a national holiday. It was Labor Day and most Americans are switched off and they are not paying attention to the international news. Remember, ISIS, the guys that are running their media campaign, they put out publications in fluent French, English, German, every kind of language imaginable. They are very savvy and sophisticated and this all goes towards their larger propaganda effort. Again, people in the West have a hard time getting their heads around this, given how barbaric such activity and behavior is. But this is designed to recruit. More people will want to join the ranks as a result of this video.
[Baldwin:] That's exactly what other terrorism analysts have been saying to me on the show, that this is total propaganda and this is a recruitment message for whoever that could be out there. But it's interesting you point out that they would have held this potentially off because of Labor Day, that they would be thinking like that, because they knew they would have a bigger American audience today. We know that this black-masked terrorist with the knife was speaking and had a direct message to Barack Obama, but you also say this is an overarching message to the West.
[Weiss:] Yes. Sure. It's the same methodology as the James Foley beheading video, in fact, probably the same guy doing the beheading and addressing the camera, a British citizen, right? According to "The Guardian" newspaper, which reported after the Foley murder, this is part of a three-man ring of British national jihadis known as the Beatles for their country of origin. They speak fluent English. They're talking to a society from which they come from. They are addressing the West. They are saying, we have rejected your way of life, we have rejected your civilization. We have now joined this radical transnational terrorist armystate and coming soon to a theater near you. That is the message that they are trying to underscore with this.
[Baldwin:] You are in Kiev. We know President Barack Obama is headed to Estonia before going to this-
[Weiss:] Yes. Yes.
[Baldwin:] The stakes are huge obviously at this NATO meeting in Wales, but just speaking about the greater sense of this global affairs, what is happening where you are, Russia, Ukraine, and now with ISIS, the stakes were already obviously high. But how does this beheading of the second American and, by the way, there was a second person in the Steven Sotloff video, we should point. How does this news change the equation and the priorities for the president at this meeting Thursday?
[Weiss:] Well, he's probably in the least enviable position of world leaders, juggling the Ukraine crisis, and also trying to reassure European allies that the United States and NATO has a deterrent capability should Russia decide to invade other countries, and now this crisis in the Middle East, which has a direct effect. Remember, Obama's foreign policy is rooted in a very simple principle or sort of understanding, which is unless it directly affects the American national interest, it's really not our problem and we shouldn't be involved. Well, now two American citizens have been killed. So, clearly, ISIS has become our problem. Also, just on a final point there, he's going to Estonia. I think it was very interesting that President Ilves, the president of Estonia, who is raised and educated in the United States and is very amenable to American audiences, the other day he tweeted, calling what Russia has done to Ukraine a quote "invasion." And, actually, of all these statements from Western officials that I have seen or Western leaders, his was the most robust and he actually referred to the separatists as terrorists, which is how the Ukrainian government refers to them. So I think, from Estonia, a very small nation of about a million people, a recent NATO ally, very vulnerable to attack from Russia, OK and Russia has already made noises about trying to stoke up separatist unrest and discontent in in Estonia, which has a sizable Russian minority population the president needs to emphasize and affirm, thus far and no further; Russia better not even think about it.

[Dos Santos:] Hello, good evening. Welcome to "Quest Means Business," I'm Nina Dos Santos in London. Tonight the United States is carrying out a second round of airstrikes in Iraq. The latest strikes took place near the Kurdish city of Irbil and targeted Sunni militants. The Pentagon says that it used drones and F-18s to attack ISIS'positions. Well earlier on Friday, two F-18s targeted and destroyed a mobile artillery unit which is under the control of ISIS. This is a group which now calls itself the Islamic State. U.S. warplanes patrolling the skies have been given the green light to protect Iraqi minority groups in what the U.S. officials have been warning could become a genocide. Late on Thursday the U.S. military began dropping food and water to thousands of Yazidis here trapped high up in the mountains near Sinjar. Now the British government says that it too is planning humanitarian aid drops separately. Iraqi state media has been reporting this hour that Iraqi airstrikes have killed 45 ISIS fighters and wounded 60 today. I'm joined now by the retired U.S. Army Colonel Derek Harvey. He's also a former Iraq senior analytical specialist under the American general David Petraeus. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Colonel. First of all, could I ask you what do you think the United States government hopes to accomplish here with these airstrikes, so what appetite do they have for further action from here? How committed are they?
[Colonel Derek Harvey, U.s. Army:] Well I think first of all, the President stated very clearly last night that the issue is the humanitarian mission first and the protection of Americans in Irbil and other locations in Iraq. And that's first and foremost his initial priority. I believe that the United States military has the authority to go after deeper targets. I would hope that they're going to focus on disrupting the mobility and freedom of maneuver that ISIS forces have across Northern Iraq and along the green line between Kurdistan the Kurdish region and the rest of Iraq. That's primarily the first focus.
[Dos Santos:] How much will these airstrikes help those who make those kind of disruptions? And the other thing I should ask you is, there'll be people who'll be watching on the other side of the broader here from Syria saying tens, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people here have been affected by what's going on civil war by many people's accounts and we're not getting the help. Why is Iraq?
[Harvey:] Well I think we need to look at this situation as a regional problem with ISIS and I've recommended for some time that we need to take a look at seriously striking ISIS targets in northeastern Syria as well as in northern Iraq. This campaign bridges several countries for ISIS and we need to look at it the same way. This first of all takes regional coordination. Two, we need to arm and provide munitions to the Peshmerga so they can engage in the operations. And we don't need to put troops on the ground combat troops but we do need to leverage our capabilities intelligence, the ability to coordinate broader capabilities in the region as well as our drone and airstrike capability which can effectively disrupt key components and take the initiative away from the ISIS forces that they've had the benefit of over the last ten weeks.
[Dos Santos:] How does the Turkish government fit into all of this? Because obviously as he said there, one of the key things that would be logical here would be to arm the Peshmergas. But then again, that would encourage the Kurds to ask for a separate state. That could create rifts with Turkey for instance.
[Harvey:] Well first and foremost, I don't think it's the Turkish issue that's been the major issue, it is the political dynamic in Baghdad of trying to move Prime Minister Maliki out of this position of prime minister and change the leadership there so that we can do things like effective Arab-Sunni outreach to develop a Arab-Sunni resistance, leveraging the tribe in a way to go after ISIS as well as holding hostage Kurdish requirements for ammunition and supplies because we are focused first and foremost on trying to get a new government place so that we can do other things going forward in Iraq.
[Dos Santos:] Colonel Derek Harvey, thank you so much for joining us, sir. That's the retired U.S. army colonel who had served under the American General Petraeus. Thank you
[Harvey:] Thank you, Nina.
[Dos Santos:] very much for joining us there. Well these airstrikes in Iraq have sent oil prices, as you can see here, on something of a wild ride. Prices had given up some of their gains over the course of the last year. [Inaudible] listing settled for the week, but remember that they did spike after those reports of possibly U.S. action in Iraq first surfaced earlier today. Now the oil company Afren who suspended its operations precisely in the part of Barda Rash oil field since 70 kilometers away from Irbil, which, as you heard, is the town that is going to be the hardest hit. The firm says that it's withdrawing all non- essential personnel from the site precisely because of the kind of risk of what we're seeing over there. And in the meantime, investors also heading for some of the safe havens. The ultimate one, of course, is gold. Gold prices passed $1,300 an ounce in terms of the market we see so far this week as you can see heading even as far as $1,321. When it comes to European stock markets, they all ended the day, and indeed the week I might point out, in the red. When it comes to the Frankfurt Xetra DAX, that's the one to consider here because it's now into so-called `correction territory,'which means that it's off more than 10 percent from its record high, and that record high was struck not all that long ago, just late in the month of June. Now, a short time ago I spoke with Jay Bryson, a global economist at Wells Fargo. I asked him if conditions like these are creating a perfect storm for the markets.
[Jay Bryson, Global Economist, Wells Fargo:] Well, yes certainly. Because, you know, you're talking about a major commodity here, oil. You know, Russia has pumps a lot of oil. They pump nine million barrels a day, they export five million. Iraq pumps eight three million barrels a day, and so, when you're talking about a major commodity like that that the world's economy runs on and with this geopolitical risk, it certainly gives investors lots of opportunities to sell.
[Dos Santos:] Where do you think these situations are go? So you've written a report, like a number of global economists say, well we should consider the possibility that perhaps Russia may decide to use energy as a leverage tool on the West. If we were to see Russia refusing to export its gas and oil towards the West, what would happen to the world economy, hypothetically speaking?
[Bryson:] Well, the biggest impact would, you know, of a complete embargo of oil and gas would be on Western Europe. Western Europe is critically dependent upon Russian oil supplies, and energy gas supplies as well. So they would see the biggest impact. You know, the United States imports very little oil from Russia and zero natural gas, but oil is traded in a global sort of market, and so if you were to see a cut back, five million barrels a day, that would force oil prices significantly higher, and, you know, if you're looking at I don't know $5$6 gallon gasoline in this county, that potentially could be something that's big enough that it could push you back into recession. So, we're not saying that Russia's going to necessarily do this, we're just saying that this is a risk that people need to be cognizant of.
[Dos Santos:] As a global economist, if you're reassessing these kind of risks into the second half of the year here, how are you managing to model for them? What are you expecting? You expecting Russia to head into recession like the World Bank? You expecting perhaps even some of the central banks in the world to have to revisit some of their planning in terms of raising interest rates because the world economy is just too weak to cope with these twin events?
[Bryson:] Well, in terms of trying to forecast these sorts of events, I mean, that is very difficult if not impossible. I mean you know, we're talking about political geopolitical considerations and what different actors will and will not do are very, very difficult to, you know, to really try to get your hands around. But you know, our hope is that this won't come to pass Russia won't do this because it would be very costly to their economy to do so. We certainly hope that all this, you know, goes away and we go on peacefully here. But, again, I think it's something that we need to be cognizant of, aware of, as we look forward. And in terms of central banks, I mean, I'm sure it's in their planning right now. If something bad geopolitically were to happen, what sort of steps would they take to try to offset a shock of that magnitude.
[Dos Santos:] And what would you expect them to do here? Because on the one hand you look at the Bank of England, you look at the Fed they're poised to start raising interest rates at the start of next year. If all continues to plan. And of course it may incur a significant shock to the global economy in the second half of the year.
[Bryson:] Yes, so, I mean you know, I think that they are going through with their plans right now, assuming that nothing will happen. And, again, it probably won't. These are relatively small sort of risk. But, you know, if the worst-case scenario were to happen, and you were to start seeing some sort of energy supply shock I mean you know Russia embargoing its energy sort of exports, I mean you can forget about monetary tightening by the Bank of England or the Federal Reserve. Because, you know, both of our economies are going to weaken significantly if not go back into recession, and on top of that, you don't you know you don't want to be throwing interest rates as well. So, if we were to see the downside develop here, you know, the Fed is going to be on hold for a lot longer and they may even start to revisit increased bond purchases to offset the shock of, you know, a Russia energy embargo.
[Dos Santos:] So, Russia also very much in the forefront of investors' minds as they head into the weekend. But despite the turmoil, the U.S. markets, as you can see, ended the day ultimately with a high note. The Dow Jones Industrial average closing up about 185 points and totally erasing Thursday's losses. Traders remaining cautious though as CNN's Fear & Greed Index of investor sentiment, pointing towards extreme fear. And the rush of safe to safe havens continue to pace. As I was saying before, gold prices inched yet again higher but also we saw yields when U.S. treasury bonds hit their lowest level in about a year, showing that people are plowing into those because they're perceived safe as well. No, Malaysia Airlines has become one of the most recognizable airlines in the world for all the wrong reasons. After two disasters and over 500 lives lost, we'll examine whether the carrier can ever put the past behind it. That's next.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] We learned yesterday that he said to his guards that he didn't do it, that you all were wrong. When you hear that, what do you think?
[Male Juror:] My first thought was if we were wrong, if he had something else to say, maybe he should have testified at some point in that trial. Maybe there should have been a little more so we could have actually heard his side of the story.
[Harlow:] The perspective of one of the jurors in the Aaron Hernandez trial, the panel sat down exclusively with our Anderson Cooper. Here to discuss all of it, Joey Jackson, HLN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. Also joining me, Mo Ivory, radio personality and an attorney herself. Guys, thank you both for being here with me. Mo, let me begin with you. You just heard it from one of the jurors there, he said look, if he was innocent why didn't he take the stand? This is what defense attorneys grabble with every time, do I put my client on the stand? In retrospect listening to what the juror had to say, did the defense make a mistake?
[Mo Ivory, Radio Personality And Attorney:] Yes, I guess so because obviously the jury felt if he would have heard from him, if they would and get an opportunity to understand what he thought took place, and from listening with the jury I tend to agree it might have come out differently if he would have testified because they were in tune to listening exactly what every witness was saying, and tying the pieces together, and they were not lazy but were smart and working to put the puzzle together, and he might have been that last piece if he would have testified.
[Harlow:] Joey, when we look at this, one of the other jurors said that one of the issues they had, the defense changed in the midst of the trial, and in the opening statement, they said Hernandez was not there. In the middle of the trial, they said he was there but he did not pull the trigger. And they didn't need him to pull the trigger to declare that he was guilty in this case? How much do you think this hurt him?
[Joey Jackson, Hln Legal Analyst:] You know, it's big, Poppy, for the following reason. You have to have a theory and you have to stick to it. And in addition to saying what you mentioned, they also said, wait, the defense said what he had in his hand could have been a remote control, then it could have been an iPad, then it could have been a gun but not the same caliber gun, so that's confusing. What you do is that at the outset of the case, you know, win, lose or draw, you have your theory and you're going to impress upon the jury that your theory should carry the day. And when you start to alter it, it makes it appear, well, if you're not sure of yourself how can we be sure of what you are saying.
[Harlow:] Look, when you look at what they need for murder one, it was not just premeditation. There was another aspect of it. So, take a listen to this from one of the jurors. Let's discuss it on the other side.
[Female Juror:] It was his indifference, and that was part of what I had to look at, and it was even if there was no premeditation, he could have made choices when he was there. He was there, they admitted that, and he could have made different choices and he chose not to.
[Harlow:] A word that came up a lot, Mo, in that interview with Anderson was indifference, and this goes to the extreme cruelty aspect of getting to murder one and finding Aaron Hernandez guilty. It brings up the question of whether how somebody acted after a crime was committed matters. Clearly, here they say it does in a big way.
[Ivory:] Sure, in Massachusetts, it matters, because that extreme cruelty and atrocity standard, you can do away with the premeditation and still find that, and really what does that mean? Like, how do you get to extreme cruelty and atrocity? It's all looking at the actions of the person. It's looking at what did they do prior? What did they do after? And just think when they you know, this woman, this juror, especially that was just speaking, it was the one that I felt was you know, she might have gone another way. I think when she walked in, she didn't want to find Aaron Hernandez guilty. But as she started putting the things together and as she even said during the interview with Anderson, that she really needed help from the other jurors to really understand what it was that she needed to find here, and I do think all those other things even one juror said he was walking around in the house with a gun and he had a child.
[Harlow:] Yes.
[Ivory:] Now, if you take that separately away from it being the night of the murder that he walked around in the house, it really isn't that odd for a person, a homeowner, a parent who owns a gun to transport that gun from one dresser to the next, and it wouldn't really have meant anything. But it meant something because it was the night of the murder. And these incidents alone, even though they say they were very clear to this was a smart jury, and they were clear to say that they weren't thinking about things that didn't matter and they were only listening to the juror's instructions, some things really did matter.
[Harlow:] And I wonder, Joey, if you think where this trial a took place, plays into the uniqueness of it in terms of where it was held, right? Because I wonder if he had been tried in a different jurisdiction, would he have been convicted under these circumstances, because the premeditation, they didn't have it there, but they did have that extreme cruelty aspect?
[Jackson:] You know, I'm willing and inclined to say yes. And you never really know, Poppy, and I don't know juries. I speak to enough jurors after the fact and what the things they say surprised me. But this particular jury, it appears, though, some of them knew him, some of them were fans, and others of them were not so much fans. And it appeared to be that they evaluated all of this, almost seven days, 35 hours of deliberating, and it appeared they put all the pieces together, whether it's the issues of his behavior that you asked Mo about, the consciousness of guilty. Reasonable people do reasonable things under reasonable circumstances, and when you look at how he behaved and you look at all the evidence that the prosecution brought to bear, where it's the prints, whether it's the DNA, whether it's the Nike shoes, whether it's the gun beforehand, the gun after the fact, I think the jury really grabbled with it, not an easy decision to make, and I think ultimately they made the right one.
[Harlow:] And they took their time and they went through. And, you know, it's interesting, they told Anderson, look, we don't want to get into the emotions of our personal exchange in the juror room, that is sacrosanct, that is private, but here is how we came to our decision.
[Jackson:] So odd. So odd.
[Harlow:] Mo, Joey, thank you very much. We appreciate it.
[Jackson:] Always.
[Ivory:] Absolutely.
[Harlow:] John?
[Berman:] The tabloid headlines with major legal implications. The ex- fiance of actress Sophia Vergara trying to keep her from destroying embryos they frozen while they were together? Who gets the final say on these embryos and what does this mean for similar cases around the country?

[Berman:] Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. It is "Money Time" which means Maribel Aber is here to tell us what's going on this morning.
[Maribel Aber, Cnn Correspondent:] What's going on besides my granddaughter's birthday? Well, I've got something going on here. Relief for some in the partial government shutdown. Hundreds of furloughed airline and aircraft inspectors will be back on the job. Bloomberg News says the FAA is calling more than 800 workers back to their jobs this week when the partial government shutdown started, these positions, well, they were called nonessential for safety. All 3,000 of the FAA's aviation safety inspectors were placed on unpaid leave. So to put this all in to perspective, about three-quarters of the workers being recalled oversee major airline operations. And who will be buying all or part of BlackBerry? Well, two weeks ago the struggling company received a preliminary $4.7 billion buyout offer from Fairfax Financial. And a new report lists some other big possible buyers out there. The list includes Google, CISCO, Intel, Samsung and private equity firm Cerberus Capital. BlackBerry would only say this. It is conducting a robust and thorough review of strategic alternatives. And really, what makes BlackBerry really attractive? Well, some company may actually be interested in BlackBerry's patents. That where the real value is. They're valued about $2 billion to $3 billion. And LG is entering the market for phones with curved screens. LG announced that its ready to start mass production of what it calls the world's first flexible OLED panel for smartphones. So OLED, what it stands for is organic light emitting diode. LG reportedly says it hopes to start selling the first handsets to feature the technology next year. Samsung already said it intended to launch its first curved screen phone later this month. Both companies already use the technology to offer curbed OLED television sets.
[Berman:] Why would you want that for a phone?
[Aber:] That's the question. Would consumers want that? I could see it for a television screen because this is you know, it focuses the light towards the audience for theaters so it makes things reduce optical distortions. But on my wrist or on my holding my phone, how distorted?
[Berman:] Yes. I don't know if I need that but maybe I do. Maybe they need I need something. I need something.
[Aber:] Yes.
[Berman:] So we want to tell you about a new EARLY START tradition which is people bringing us snacks. Maribel Aber brought us wonderful cookies and not only that, she gift-wrapped them in these nice boxes with cards here. Setting the bar high.
[Sambolin:] You are a multi-tasking woman.
[Aber:] They thought I was kidding about making my own gift wrap and starting my Christmas shopping and I'm a crafty person.
[Sambolin:] No, no, no. We no, no. We've seen, we've seen evidence on Twitter. But this is in honor, as you mentioned earlier, of your granddaughter's birthday. We want do you have any more grandchildren whose birthday is coming up?
[Aber:] I do not, not no. Just past. So Olivia and Nicholas, my two grandkids. Happy birthday, Olivia.
[Sambolin:] How sweet.
[Berman:] Thank you. Well done.
[Sambolin:] We'll take it any time. Thank you.
[Berman:] Any time you want.
[Sambolin:] All right. And coming up day eight of the partial government shutdown with a big spending deadline fast approaching but this morning new clues that the president and Congress may be ready to make a deal? Coming up next.

[Cuomo:] Welcome back to "NEW DAY". About 15 minutes past the hour. Secretary of State John Kerry says right now is the best chance they've had in a decade for a nuclear deal with Iran. A new round of talks began Wednesday in Geneva, more expected today. The main give and take is that the U.S. will loosen sanctions if Iran suspends part of its nuclear program. But there is fierce opposition to any deal both at home and abroad. CNN's Jim Sciutto is in Geneva with that. Good morning, Jim, what do we know?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. This really is the money round. There's a sense from both sides they're close it a deal, but it's in these stages where they really have to work through the final issues, standing in the way. One of the members of the E.U. delegation telling us this morning, quote, that "they're locked in very tough negotiations here."
[Sciutto:] Negotiators return to Geneva with the same unresolved question, could they succeed where years of negotiations have failed with a breakthrough deal on Iran's nuclear program? As the talks got under way in Geneva, back in Washington, Secretary of State John Kerry said the administration is in no rush.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] We will not allow this agreement, should it be reached and I say should it be reached to buy time or to allow for the acceptance of an agreement that does not properly address our core fundamental concerns.
[Sciutto:] The key sticking point to any final deal is how much of Iran's nuclear program will remain in place? The White House is comfortable with a peaceful program within strict limits and under strict verification. But its closest regional ally, Israel, insists Iran's program should be entirely dismantled. In Moscow, lobbying Russia to force a tougher deal, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu cited the ongoing destruction of Syria's weapons as a model. This sharp disagreement over Iran is causing deeper tension in the broader U.S.-Israeli relationship. Still, despite the split, administration officials maintain the two countries are on the same page when it comes to the final outcome.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] There is no daylight between the United States and Israel when it comes to the objective of preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
[Sciutto:] Still, whether an agreement can be reached that would assuage Israeli concerns, a permanent breach in the relationship remains very unlikely.
[Aaron David Miller, Woodrow Wilson International Center For Scholars:] Unlike Lehman Brothers, the U.S.-Israeli relationship really is too big to fail. And I suspect these differences over time will be accommodated, but not happily.
[Sciutto:] And it's not just Israel standing in the way. At the same time you have a push on Capitol Hill for new added sanctions against Iran, is the administration's position. If you add sanctions now, that will destroy the chance for talks here. But the administration feels it could only push off on other sanctions, push for another couple of weeks or so before the end of the legislative calendar this year. And that's why they believe that this is the window now to make a deal. If they're going to get through it, Kate, this is their chance to do it. But still a lot of issues standing in the way.
[Bolduan:] Clearly the pressure is on. We're going to be talking about this and much more, coming up, with the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations later in the show. Thank you so much, Jim, for the update. Now to a developing story out of North Korea, where an American tourist is being detained. The son of 85-year-old Merrill Newman says his dad, a Korean War veteran, was pulled from a plane by authorities as he was leaving the country back in October and he hasn't been heard from since. CNN's David McKenzie has more of the details. So what more are we learning, David?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Kate, it's a very disturbing story. This Palo Alto native, Merrill Newman, 85 years old, he's a Korean War veteran. He was in Korea for a nine-day visit last month. On the evening before he left, apparently, he was hauled out by his North Korean government minder, some sort of discussion ensued, according to his family, then let's listen how it all went down after that. Listen to his son.
[Jeff Newman, Son Of Merrill Newman:] They went to dinner. It was Friday night. Next morning they got up, checked out of the hotel, went to the airport, got on the plane. Apparently five minutes before they were ready to depart, an authority came on the plane, looked at my dad, asked to see my dad's passport and he was asked to leave the plane.
[Mckenzie:] And Mr. Newman hasn't been heard from yet by his family. U.S. officials we've spoken to saying they're trying to give every assistance to this family. They are even trying to get medicine through the Swedish embassy into that country because Mr. Newman has a heart condition. Certainly very disturbing developments. And a further sign that Americans, including Kenneth Bae, who has been there for several months in North Korea, are not getting out anytime soon. And this will definitely develop in the coming days Kate and Chris.
[Bolduan:] Absolutely, David. Thank you so much. It's so disturbing because his son said he's been planning this trip for months. He's long been interested in the country and the culture. And he was really enjoying his time there. He had been sending postcards back and then now he's disappeared.
[Cuomo:] And it's one of those reasons, why, as uncomfortable as people get about having relations with what we sees as hostile countries, if you don't have them, and a situation like this happens, what do you do? We'll keep watching that, that's for sure. Coming up on "NEW DAY", Ted Cruz is and will be important in the Obamacare debate. And his interview got a lot of you people popping. So now there's real debate about the way forward. Tweet us and then watch our pros go at it.
[Bolduan:] When you talk about pros we're talking about Chris as well. Also ahead, A-Rod erupts. Alex Rodriguez storming out of a hearing yesterday and then blasting the commissioner of baseball. We'll tell you what he had to say about Bud Selig and his beloved Yankees.

[Baldwin:] Any minute now, we are expecting to hear straight from the Pentagon. Details of this daring night time military rescue mission inside of Syria in the sands of Northern Syria this summer that failed to bring home American journalist, James Foley. Foley was gone, according to U.S. officials, when the Special Forces landed in the desert and battled their way to this oil refinery near Raqqa in Syria where they had hoped to find Foley and perhaps other Americans held hostage by ISIS. Weeks later, we now know James Foley is dead. His shocking execution having stirred both deep concern and anger among Americans. As we await Secretary Chuck Hagel and Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey at the Pentagon, we'll bring that live, let me pursue another strand to the story. Because a story the story out today says ransoms paid by European governments to ISIS have become one of the terror group's biggest sources of income. Did you realize that? Perhaps their biggest source of income at all, and that is where they're getting their money, from ransoms with these hostages. I want you to take a listen to this interview, this gentleman from Erin Burnett "OUTFRONT."
[David Rohde, Journalist Once Held By Taliban:] Kidnappings are working. The al Qaeda affiliates have raised $125 million from kidnappings in the last five years, $60 million alone last year. France denies it. Germany, Spain, other countries, they pay ransoms. There were journalists from France and Spain who were held with Foley by the Islamic State. Ransoms were paid for them. They are home safe now. Jim Foley is dead.
[Baldwin:] Now, at one time, Jim Foley's captors reportedly set a ransom of $130 million. But did not get it, didn't get the ransom from the family, not from his employers and not from the U.S. government. United States says paying ransoms to terrorists only encourages more hostage-taking. And as we await, a reminder, Secretary Hagel and also Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey. Let me bring in two people. We have Michelle Kosinski. She is our CNN White House correspondent and then here with me in New York, Bob McFadden, a former special agent in charge of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and also with the Sufan Group. So Michelle Kosinski, first to you, we know that the administration is on record saying it did not want to disclose the secret operation to try to rescue Jim Foley, but they are doing so anyway. Tell me why.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Yes, I know. And whenever you hear that, I think there are always you know, everybody wants to be a skeptic and get to the heart of the information. And you want to say, really? Did the White House not want to get this out there, possibly to show that a significant rescue attempt was made? But I just had a lengthy conversation with the senior administration official saying that the reason the administration now is not even confirming or denying in many cases some of the details that have already leaked out is because they say it is not outside the realm of possibility that there will be another rescue attempt in the future. And also, they insist they did not want the details to come out, because they say at the time of this extraordinary but ultimately unsuccessful operation on the weekend of July 4th, the ISIS fighters were not even 100 percent sure that the people they ended up fighting there on the ground were Americans. And that now knowing that, that could change ISIS reactions. And this official explained that the risk of the U.S. losing the intelligence path that it's been following to try at least to get to these hostages is a very real risk. They say they have access now to several streams of intelligence coming from them in regards to the situation. And this operation in particular wasn't solely related to those military advisers, as they were called. Remember, up to 300 military advisers that were authorized to go into Iraq, remember, not Syria. But that was only days before this operation happened. So the official is saying this wasn't directly, solely related to the intel gathered by those advisers, but that was a part of it. So they do have multiple streams, but they point out that those streams of intelligence are difficult at best and also conflicting. I also found one other point that was extremely interesting, was that officials say they know the number of hostages that they're dealing with here in the cluster. And that one other, at least, including Steven Sotloff, is thought to be American Brooke.
[Kosinski:] OK. I was wondered if there was a precise number on it, mentioning just other hostages, potential future rescues, also talking about the potential for future brutality with Bob. Because we know ISIS is threatening now to kill this other American hostage, Steven Sotloff. And I don't know if the government would ever tell us exactly how many people they believe to have hostage. But we're talking potentially, what do you think, several other Americans?
[Robert Mcfadden, Former Special Agent In Charge, Ncis:] Well, some of the reports coming out that there may be two or three more. But as you rightfully point out, extraordinarily sensitive information about those things. And what's going on deep behind the scenes to try to, one, work the intelligence as to where they are. Because rest assured, when American citizens are in this type of situation, there is always a great, great effort to but even the number that might be involved, very, very sensitive matter.
[Baldwin:] Even just talking about the hate to say like a price tag, but what these militants are demanding for the lives of these different hostages, the fact that it is not U.S. policy to pay ransom. But yet we have seen other examples in just reading about this today. France has done it, Spain has done it. Has there ever been an internal conversation within U.S. intelligence considering changing policy or not at all?
[Mcfadden:] I don't know about any discussion, but I would be very, very doubtful of that because U.S. policy has been consistent for a long time. There will be no negotiation for ransom money. Same with the U.K., the policy has been consistent. As you mentioned, some of the European countries and entities
[Baldwin:] Let me cut you off. Let's go live to the Pentagon.
[Chuck Hagel, Defense Secretary:] by the ISIL, as the Department of Defense confirmed yesterday, earlier this summer, the United States attempted a rescue of a number of American hostages held in Syria including Jim Foley. We all regret that mission did not succeed, but I'm very proud, very proud of the U.S. forces that participated in it. And the United States will not relent our efforts to bring our citizens home and their captors to justice. Jim Foley's murder was another tragic demonstration of the ruthless, barbaric ideology of ISIL. ISIL militants continue to massacre and enslave innocent people. And persecute Iraq Sunni, Shia, and Kurdish minority populations. Given the nature of this threat, at President Obama's direction and the request of the Iraqi government, the U.S. military has provided assistance to Iraqi security forces in order to protect U.S. personnel and facilities. And support Iraq's efforts to counter ISIL, in addition to providing humanitarian assistance. American air strikes and American arms and assistance helped Iraqi and Kurdish forces blunt ISIL's advance around Erbil where American diplomats and troops are working and helped the Iraqis retake and hold Mosul Dam. A breach of the dam would have threatened the lives of thousands of Iraqis, as well as Americans in our facilities in Baghdad and prevented the Iraqi government from providing critical services to its citizens. The United States led an international effort to address the humanitarian crisis that unfolded at Mt. Sinjar. As there continues to be an acute humanitarian need elsewhere in Iraq. The U.S. appreciates the partnership of the United Kingdom, Canada, France, Italy and Australia, and the United Nations in helping provide relief. I expect more nations to step forward with more assistance in the weeks ahead. Overall, these operations have stalled ISIL's momentum, and enabled Iraqi and Kurdish forces to regain their footing and take the initiative. As Iraqi and Kurdish forces continue to take the initiative, the United States will continue to support them. But addressing the threat posed by ISIL to the future of Iraq requires political reform in Iraq. The country's peaceful station of power last week was important, and the United States will continue urging Iraq's new prime minister to establish an inclusive government that is responsive to the needs of all Iraq's citizens. The united Iraq will be a more secure and prosperous Iraq. Political reform will make it harder for ISIL to exploit sectarian divisions. The United States and the international community will increase support for Iraq in tandem, with political progress. The president, the chairman and I, are all very clear-eyed about the challenges ahead. We are pursuing a long-term strategy against ISIL, because ISIL clearly poses a long-term threat. We should expect ISIL to regroup and stage new offensives, and the U.S. military's involvement is not over. President Obama has been very clear on this point. Our objectives remain clear and limited, to protect American citizens and facilities, to provide assistance to Iraqi forces as they confront ISIL, and to join with international partners to address the humanitarian crisis. With that, I'll ask Chairman Dempsey for his comments and then we'll take questions. Thank you.
[General Martin Dempsey, Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs Of Staff:] Thank you, Mr. Secretary. As most of you know, I just returned on Sunday from a trip to Vietnam. And today, I have my counterpart from Singapore visiting. On Vietnam, it was quite remarkable to be in Vietnam 40 years after our departure from Vietnam, to discuss opportunities for a new relationship. Building on our historical investment and the incredible sacrifices of those who served there. My engagements in the region reinforce that we have our shoulder behind the rebalance to the Asia-Pacific, even as our military confronts challenges in other parts of the world. In fact, on Sunday, I'll depart for Afghanistan, which brings me to Iraq. Under the command of General Lloyd Austin, our efforts in Iraq have included to date seven humanitarian air drop missions, delivering 636 bundles of food, water and medical supplies. More than 60 intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance sorties daily, each day. And to date, 89 targeted air strikes conducted by United States Air Force and United States Navy aircraft. These air strikes have protected U.S. persons and facilities and helped prevent humanitarian crisis. As Iraq's political future takes shape, I would emphasize that enduring stability will depend on achieving a credible partner in the Iraqi government that must commit to being much more inclusive with all of its population than it has been thus far. And with that, I would be happy to take your questions.
[Unidentified Male:] Mr. Secretary, in your comments, you mentioned that ISIL's momentum has been stalled recently. And you said nonetheless, you expect them to regroup. My question is, why not go after ISIL where they started, which is in Syria. I know that you've described a strategy of enabling the Iraqis, both politically and militarily to draw back their gains in Iraq. But they do have a sanctuary in Eastern Syria. What is the strategy if it's not to go root them out inside Syria? Why not go that route?
[Hagel:] First, going back to your point about my statement on what our objectives are, which I just restated in my statement. I would also say, in addition to that, that and I think the president has been very clear on this. That we continue to explore all options regarding ISIL. And how best we can assist partners in that area, the Middle East, particularly in Iraq against ISIL. You all know that in the presence request for a $5 million anti-terrorism fund $500 million in there to assist an opposition. That's what we're looking at. That's what we're doing and we will continue to stay focused, as I said, on what we're doing now and explore all options as we go forward.
[Unidentified Male:] The options you refer to include air strikes across the border.
[Hagel:] Like I said, we're looking at all options. Barbara?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] I wanted to ask both of you specifically about the hostage rescue mission. You both have talked extensively over the years about protecting. Even if you had were told the news media was going to publish an article, which is what the State Department says, you repealed it because you thought the media was going to publish something. Why specifically did both of you both of you answer why did you think it was a good idea to officially acknowledge in detail the classified information classified mission about a hostage rescue when there are still American hostages there? Are you worried that this has risked other hostage lives? Will you now have a weak investigation? And was this intelligence failure, this mission? Why did you both think it was a good idea to do this? No one has ever seen either of you do this before?
[Hagel:] Why did we think it was a good idea to
[Starr:] Publicly acknowledge a classified mission for a hostage rescue. A statement came out of this building about it last night.
[Hagel:] To start with, there were a number of news outlets that were aware of the action, of the raid. And it was a decision made by the administration, which we concurred with, to address the mission recognizing everything that you said, there's always risk. There continues to be risk in every action or inaction we take. Also, the administration had informed the families of the hostages of this effort. So, it was the decision and it was unanimous that we should, in fact, acknowledge this effort without going into any of the specifics of it, which as you know we'll not. As to your question was this a failure of intelligence, no. The fact is as you all know, intelligence doesn't come wrapped in a package with a bow. It is a mosaic of many pictures, of many factors. The enemy always has a say in anything. The fact is that you have to always work that reality in to any decision that you make, but the underling objective was to do everything we could as the president has said, to rescue these hostages, knowing that their lives were in danger, clearly in danger. It's the responsibility of our government and our leaders to do all we can to take action when we believe there might be a good possibility of, a good chance to make a rescue effort successful. This operation, by the way, was a flawless operation, but the hostages were not there. So we'll do everything that we need to do that the American people would expect from their leaders to continue to do everything we can to get our hostages back.
[Starr:] General Dempsey, do you think that do you have concerns that hostage lives are at risk? Was it a good enough reason that the news media was going to write an article about this, and do you believe this was an intelligence failure?
[Dempsey:] The military I provide military advice. Military advice that was rendered in response to your question was as long as sources and methods are not revealed that it would be a policy decision on whether to release the information of the raid. As to whether it was an intelligence failure, I agree completely with the secretary of defense, the mission was executed flawlessly after a significant period of preparation and planning and rehearsal. And the it turned out that the hostages were no longer at that location.
[Starr:] Do you believe they were there at one point?
[Dempsey:] I do.
[Unidentified Male:] Both address this, talk about the long-term strategy against ISIS. Secretary of State John Kerry said they will be crushed. The president calls them a cancer. If that's the case, why are U.S. air strikes so narrowly focused and so limited, and why have you delayed providing heavy weapons to the Kurds? It seems rhetoric doesn't match U.S. efforts today.
[Hagel:] Well, first of all, we are providing a tremendous amount of military assistance to the Peshmerga through the Iraqi security forces. It is one country, and there's no question that we have accelerated. Matter of fact, all year long, we have been accelerated all the requests made by the Iraqi government for lethal assistance and equipment and we continue to do that. As to the comments made by Secretary Kerry and the president and we all share the same evaluation of ISIL, as the president has said, I've said, the chairman's said, Secretary Kerry has said, the defeat of ISIL is not only going to come at the hands of air strikes. One of the things that I noted in my comments here at the beginning of this press conference was an inclusive government in Iraq is essential as to how Iraq and the United States and all our international partners are going to also have to deal with ISIL. Military kinetic actions, air strikes are part of that. But it's bigger than just a military operation and our efforts as we have executed the president's strategy on this, are specifically targeted just as the president has said for the reasons he said. But we are working with international partners, we're working closely with Peshmerga and the ISF. We are doing everything we can within the confines of our influence to assist and recognize as we've said to deal with ISIL there in the Middle East and also recognizing that it is a threat just as we've all said. But it isn't going to just come as a result of air strikes. Strategically, there are limits to how much you can accomplish with air strikes, tactically you can accomplish a significant amount. I think we've seen that. I mentioned in my comments here. So it's the broad scope of activity and actions that we are
[Unidentified Male:] The Peshmerga still said they haven't received the heavy weapons that they requested, and you're creating a task force, I understand, on that?
[Dempsey:] A task force for the equipping effort with the Kurds, yes, the secretary has a task force that oversees that. They have begun to receive supplies not just, by the way, from us or regional partners. But also from the government of Iraq, which incidentally is not to be discounted as a significant moment with the possibility that there will be a single state of Iraq in the future. And we are providing, you know, those that were conducting assessments in those joint operation centers have continued to evolve. So this isn't just about air strikes.
[Hagel:] Margaret
[Unidentified Female:] General, do you believe that ISIS can be defeated or destroyed without addressing the cross border threat from Syria? And is it possible to contain them?
[Dempsey:] Let me start from where you ended and end up where you started. It is possible to contain them. I think we've seen that their momentum was disrupted. That's not to be discounted, by the way. Because it was the momentum itself that had allowed them to find a way to encourage the Sunni population of western Iraq and the province to accept their brutal tactics and their presence among them. So you ask, yes, the answer is they can be contained, not in perpetuity. This is an organization that has an apocalyptic end of days strategic vision, which will eventually have to be defeated. To your question, can they be defeated without addressing that part of their organization, which resides in Syria, the answer is no. That will have to be addressed on both sides of what is essentially at this point a non-existent border. And that will come when we have a coalition in the region that takes on the task of defeating ISIS over time. ISIS will only truly be defeated when it's rejected by the 20 million disenfranchised Sunni that happen to reside between Damascus and Baghdad.
[Unidentified Male:] And that requires air strikes?
[Dempsey:] It requires a variety of instruments, only one small part of which is air strikes. I'm not predicting that will occur in Syria, at least not by the United States of America, but it requires the application of all the tools of national power, diplomatic, economic, information, military.
[Hagel:] Karan?
[Unidentified Male:] Talking about ISIL in Syria, my question is for both of you, Mr. Chairman and Mr. Secretary. Do you have any information that there is a link, a relation between the Assad regime and ISIL? As you may know, it the Assad regime has been striking ISIL for the last few months. Do you see yourself on the same page with the Assad regime and do you still believe that Assad is part of the problem or he might become part of a broader solution in the region?
[Hagel:] Well, Assad is very much a central part of the problem and I think it's well documented as to why. When you have the brutal dictatorship of Assad and what he has done to his own country, which perpetuated much of what is happening and has been happening in Syria. So he's part of the problem and is much a part of it as probably the central core of it. As to your quell regarding ISIL and Assad, yes, they are fighting each other as well as other terrorist groups, very sophisticated terrorist groups in Syria.
[Dempsey:] He is absolutely part of the problem.
[Hagel:] Kevin?

[Costello:] The countdown to Hillary Clinton's new book, "Hard Choices" is on and Hillary is in campaign style to promote her book. High profile appearances and video discussing the book and now a cover story in "People" magazine. Will Clinton dish on whether or not she's made a decision to run for president. No one could answer that question right now. Joining me from Washington, CNN senior political correspondent, Brianna Keilar. I would guess she wants to keep people guessing.
[Keilar:] No. She definitely does. That does add to intrigue of this carefully calculated book rollout, Carol. You're certainly right about this, but you know, this "People" magazine interview is interesting. It deals with a lot of light topics as well as very serious ones. She talks about her plans for 2016 and the kind of grandmother she wants to be. She says she wants to be emotionally supportive, but she also wants to set expectations and she wants to baby sit a lot. Hillary Clinton sitting down for an exclusive interview with "People" magazine at her Washington home as her newest book "Hard Choices" hits shelves next week. On her presidential aspirations, Clinton tells "People," I know I have a decision to make. She says we need to break down that highest hardest glass ceiling in American politics. To have a woman president is something I would love to see happen, but I'll just have to make my own decision about what I think is right for me. Her book rollout is certainly starting to look like a campaign. A busy schedule of appearances.
[Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary Of State:] Let me shake a few more hands.
[Keilar:] Interviews and calculated releases of parts of her memoir about her time at the State Department. Just Monday she dropped this hint at a speech in Denver talking about the grueling nature of a presidential race. She assured the crowd she has
[Clinton:] A lot of resilience and stamina.
[Keilar:] She also talks about her husband's health saying he's had that tremor for years. It's nothing serious just some sort of nerve pinch. People say that he's too thin. He doesn't think so and he has an enormous amount of energy and Monica Lewinsky to resurfaced with an essay in "Vanity Fair." Clinton tells "People" she hasn't read it saying, I've moved on. I think everybody need to look to the future. Clinton also reveals her indulgences since taking time off. "Dancing With The Stars."
[Unidentified Male:] It's all about location, location, location.
[Keilar:] And "House of Cards," which she and Bill, quote, "binged watched." She was asked if she has a hair strategy for 2016. I'm at an age I can pretty do what I want. Here I am whether you like my hair or not. So there she is, Carol, joking about her hair, but didn't joke about her head. She addressed the question head-on if there are lingering effects from the concussion that she sustained and the blood clot as well in 2012. She says, no, there aren't. This was an interesting point in this interview. She points out that Paul Ryan has had three concussions, one of which was serious.
[Costello:] Playing that game.
[Keilar:] Exactly.
[Costello:] Brianna Keilar, thanks so much. Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state will no doubt be under scrutiny in a presidential bid especially in light of the controversy surrounding Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. We're now learning Clinton was skeptical of the idea of swap of Taliban prisoners for Bergdahl's release. CNN foreign affairs reporter, Elise Labott, joins me now to tell us more about that. Good morning.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Foreign Affairs Reporter:] Good morning, Carol. Well, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department really started those negotiations with the Taliban in 2010 about a possible swap for Bowe Bergdahl in exchange for some of these prisoners, but Secretary Clinton wanted that deal to be part of a larger peace process with the Taliban and she wasn't really sure that any kind of trade would lead to those wider reconciliations with Afghanistan. She didn't trust the Haqqani network believed to be holding Bowe Bergdahl in Pakistan and she also had some pretty serious reservations about the conditions about where these five detainees from Guantanamo would be held. She wanted much tougher restrictions on these detainees that seems to be in the deal that President Obama struck with the Qataris leading to Bowe Bergdahl's release this week. She wanted those prisoners released in phases. She wanted much tougher conditions on their detention in Qatar, some kind of quasi house arrest and it does seem though that the president went another way. Secretary Clinton gave a very measured defense of that deal, Carol, in Denver on Monday saying this is one of the hard choices, title of her book, you have to make in government, but that she feels that it's important that they brought Bowe Bergdahl home.
[Costello:] All right, Elise Labott, reporting live for us. Thanks so much. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, a creepy ghoulish internet figure and the focus of a horrific stabbing in Wisconsin. We'll talk about the blurring line between fantasy and reality when it comes to your kids. That's next.

[Kevin Spacey, Actor:] I was privileged to come to Boston and meet so many people who inspired me. And who I believe moved our entire country because of the spirit that you showed and shared with everyone.
[Berman:] That, of course, is Kevin Spacey, just one of many people so moved by the strength of the Boston bombing survivors. I can tell you one thing here about the marathon. We have a winner for the women. Rita Jeptu has set a course record on this race. The women's race now over in terms of the winner. We're waiting on the men to finish. That will be a wonderful thing when that happens as well. So we're talking about the Boston Marathon, the reawakening here. One group that has been helping so much from the very beginning, Boston Strong Apparel. I'm joined by the co-creators, Chris Dobbins, Nicholas Reynolds, also Lane Brenna. You guys with these Boston Strong T-shirts, OK, it feels like this is such an indelible thing that it's been around forever, but no, you guys were Emerson College students the day of the Boston Marathon bombing. Lane, tell me what happened.
[Lane Brenna, Co-creator, Boston Strong Apparel:] Basically, we came back to the dorm room that night. We all wanted to get together. We wanted to make sure everyone's fine and safe. We were watching President Obama and his speech that night. And we were really inspired by his saying that Boston is such a tough and resilient town. We say, well what can we do as college students to help? We said, Stay Strong to Boston Strong. Maybe we have 100 friends who might want to buy this shirt. The next morning, it just kind of was so successful. We couldn't even believe it.
[Berman:] There's been a lot of talk about who came up with the phrase Boston Strong. May have been in your dorm room, just sort of happened that day and took off as you said. How many T-shirts did you sell in that first month?
[Nicholas Reynolds, Co-creator, Boston Strong Apparel:] The first week was 37,000 T-shirts. We sold 37,000 within the next seven days. We only planned on selling for seven days. By the end of the month, I'm not sure. We're now up to 68,000 today.
[Berman:] The money is all going where?
[Chris Dobbins, Co-creator, Boston Strong Apparel:] To the One Fund.
[Berman:] How much money have you donated now?
[Dobbins:] We've donated over $1 million.
[Berman:] Over $1 million. Of course, the One Fund is the group helping the people, the survivors, from the Boston Marathon. It's such a wonderful thing. So many of them were involved in this race that we saw take off from right behind us here. As you were watching the people run by, as you were listening to people shout Boston Strong, you can't go more than 10 seconds here without someone saying it, how does that feel to you?
[Brenna:] It's amazing. It's surreal to know something we are a big part of was shown here today. And we just loved being here, seeing our friends who have overcome so much in a year, and we are so glad to be here with them. We're very honored.
[Berman:] What's the future for Boston Strong?
[Reynolds:] It's hard to say honestly. We hope people are still talking about it. We hope people are still thinking about the victims and the survivors of the Boston Marathon attack. We sort of see it move into a bunch of different grounds. We love to see it focused on the victims and focused on the survivors because they still need our help even a year later.
[Berman:] They still do, right?
[Dobbins:] Yeah, absolutely. It's been a long road for them. The more help that they can get, the better.
[Berman:] You have given so much help already. Not just the money but I think the sentiment, the Boston Strong sentiment. That's a thing, you know. It's out there now and it's been out there from that day when you first talked about it in your room to this day when we've seen the people of Boston, the 36,000 runners, take this course, and they will retake that finish line. Of course, the women's runner already across that finish line. Thank you for everything you've done. CNN's going to take a look at how some of the survivors are doing. That's tonight at 10:00 right here on CNN. Be sure to watch that. Michaela?
[Pereira:] I'm showing off my Boston Strong bracelet. I'm wearing one in solidarity with you, look at this. Chris brought that back. John, thank you.
[Berman:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] It's been wonderful to have you right there telling the stories.
[Berman:] It's been wonderful to be here, I have to tell you, to see so much of this over the last year. Today really is the best moment of all. Michaela, thanks so much. "Legal View" with Don Lemon starts right now.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. Welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, October 8th, 7:00 in the east. Brand new this morning, Libya is upping the rhetoric, summoning the U.S. ambassador over that terror raid they're calling the capture of Abu Anas al Libi a kidnapping. This as we learn that heavily armed marines have been moved to a new base, ready to respond to any backlash over the raid. All the details coming up in a live report.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] And then we have her story captivated the entire country. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from her bedroom when she was 14 years old, forced to endure unimaginable treatment for nine months. Now she is telling her entire story in great detail, not holding back about what she went through. Elizabeth will join us with the incredible details from her new book, "My Story." That's just ahead.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] And it's the hottest movie in theaters right now, but is "Gravity" all that realistic? A popular astrophysicist taking to the world of Twitter to poke holes in the film's science. We'll talk to an actual astronaut, though, who spent a whole lot of time in space and space walks and see what he thinks.
[Cuomo:] But first, the east coast getting blasted by devastating storms, damaging winds, heavy rains knocked out power for thousands of people, triggering massive travel delays from New England to Florida. And in the Midwest, dangerous tornadoes barreling through the northern plains. Let's bring in Indra Petersons tracking all of it. What do we know, Indra?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] That was a same system that brought record-breaking snowfall into the Dakotas, eventually moved its way into the Midwest, spawning tornadoes, and then last night it made its way into the northeast, bringing hundreds of reports of damage right along with it.
[Petersons:] A powerful storm hit the east coast Monday with high winds and torrential rain. In Jacksonville, Florida, knee deep water forced residents to use other means of transportation, some helping stranded drivers.
[Unidentified Male:] I just got out of the jeep and started pushing. Luckily someone else came up and started helping me.
[Petersons:] The driver flooded with emotion.
[Unidentified Female:] There's water in my car, everything is just done. I got caught right there.
[Petersons:] The storm swift but strong left destruction in its path.
[Unidentified Male:] All I saw was a cloud of green leaves and then the tree came down.
[Petersons:] Virginia driver William Ledford escaped from his damaged car unscathed. Further up the coast in New Jersey, a man survived a close call inside his home.
[Fred Farra, Witnessed Storm:] The ceiling caved in from the tree. It missed him by six, seven inches.
[Petersons:] The winds so powerful that they knocked out service for thousands of residents up and down the east coast.
[Laura O'carroll, Witnessed Storm:] The rain came extremely hard, straight down, went, wow, look at that. Almost immediately everything was just blowing.
[Petersons:] In the aftermath of the storm downed trees littered the streets. Check out this gigantic tree that crashed onto this home.
[Unidentified Male:] It's crazy. The tree's been around since I was like six-years-old. I can't believe the size of the hole that's in there.
[Petersons:] We'll give you the full forecast as to what's expected next, coming up in a few minutes.
[Bolduan:] All right, Indra, thanks so much for that. The other big story we're watching out of Washington, the government partially shut down, now in its eighth day. Both president Obama and House Speaker John Boehner are talking about ending it but they're not talking to each other. This while more than half of all Americans in a CNNORC poll say the gridlock is causing a crisis and major problems for the country. And the stakes are even higher for another debate. Will Congress act to raise the nation's debt ceiling before the October 17th deadline? CNN's Brianna Keilar is live at the White House with more. Good morning, Brianna.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Kate, good morning to you. Until now, all of these bills that the House and Senate have been shuttling back and forth have had to do with funding the government. That will change today with a bill the Senate is taking up. They're now turning towards trying to avoid a disastrous default. This as we're inching uncomfortably close to the debt ceiling.
[Keilar:] Ramping up the pressure on House Republicans, Senate Democrats will introduce a Bill today that would increase the debt ceiling for more than a year. The goal, push this hot potato issue beyond the 2014 midterm elections. The bill has no strings attached, no agreement to change Obamacare, no budgetary bartering.
[Barack Obama,  President Of The United States:] I cannot do that under the threat if Republicans don't get 100 percent of their way they're going to either shut down the government or they are going to default on America's debt.
[Keilar:] The president still says he won't bargain with the country's ability to pay its bills.
[Rep. John Boehner,  House Speaker:] The president's refusal to negotiate is hurting our economy and putting our country at risk.
[Keilar:] House Speaker John Boehner insists a debt ceiling increase without some concessions from the White House will never get past his Republicans. He says the same about a government funding bill, though Democrats question that.
[Harry Reid,  Senate Majority Leader:] One sure fire way to find out whether the bill would pass is to have a vote on it.
[Keilar:] Only one thing is for certain Americans are not impressed, especially with Republicans. In a new CNNORC international poll, 63 percent of those surveyed blame the GOP for the shutdown, 57 percent point the finger at Democrats, and 53 percent hold President Obama accountable. Eight days into the partial government shutdown, nine days from breaching the debt ceiling, here are some ways this could all play out. Perhaps a long-term proposal like what the Senate is taking up. If that doesn't fly, there could be a short-term measure to buy time, or both sides could keep talking past each other until the U.S. defaults, and there's bipartisan agreement that would be an economic disaster. Now, we are already set up for a cliff-hanger. While we may see the first procedural vote on the Senate debt ceiling bill on Saturday, we may not see a final vote until Wednesday. One day before we're scheduled to hit the debt ceiling. Chris and Kate?
[Cuomo:] All right, Brianna, thank you very much. Joining us now for more is the co-host of CNN's "CROSSFIRE," former speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich. Sir, always a pleasure. Thank you for being here.
[Newt Gingrich, Host, "cnn's Crossfire":] Great to be with you.
[Cuomo:] So let's get to brass tacks here. Do you think if there were a vote it would pass right now?
[Gingrich:] Probably not.
[Cuomo:] You don't think it would?
[Gingrich:] No. In fact four of the Republicans that the media had been counting on said we're not going to split with Boehner.
[Cuomo:] So this is Democrat hype?
[Gingrich:] Sure. The Democrats, while they don't want to talk about how many senators would vote for the veterans administration, clean national park, a lot of the bills Harry Reid is blocking because most of his Democrats would vote for them if they were brought up.
[Cuomo:] Do you believe the Democrats are more anxious to reopen the government than the Republicans?
[Gingrich:] Oh, sure. Of course they are. Look, the Democrats would love to have the Republicans surrender. They'd love to spend the money they want to. They would love to change nothing because they're in charge. But that's perfectly understandable. It's just not how our system works.
[Cuomo:] What does it mean when you reflect the intentions on to the polls where people believe this is a crisis, that this is a real problem? They're blaming both, to be fair. A little bit more for Republicans, but that does mean you're not on the side of the people.
[Gingrich:] First of all, this is Republican people get elected every two years to the House and every six years to the Senate. This is not October of 2014. There's a long time to go. I also believe that if you look at the polls, this initiative truly bothered Obama. There was a piece for CNN.com this morning that said compared to my experience in '95-'96, he's taking a much deeper hit than Bill Clinton did. And that's because he keeps saying I will not negotiate. Every time you look up while doing "CROSSFIRE" and you see "I will not negotiate," he's driving a message home to the American people that they think is nuts. They think a president's job is to get in a room and get things done, not to make speeches and attack somebody.
[Cuomo:] Do you think the American people look at this situation they think it's the president who is being too extreme and not the conservative faction?
[Gingrich:] I think they think everybody is. That's a huge loss for Obama because six weeks ago they would have been on his side.
[Cuomo:] All right, so politics aside, because at the end of the day, you know me pretty well, I don't care about that part as much. What seems to be of concern is the absolute effect on people that we have as we move into the debt ceiling. You've been through shutdowns. You understand them. You're not in panic mode. But you never you threatened but never blew a deadline on a debt ceiling. What is your counsel to your party?
[Gingrich:] First of all, my counsel to the whole country is we will not default.
[Cuomo:] Are you sure?
[Gingrich:] Absolutely. That's not going to happen.
[Cuomo:] What if they blow the deadline?
[Gingrich:] It's irresponsible of Jack Lew, secretary of the treasury, to success that he can't manage this. We've had this experience in the past. The treasury has lots of assets. They can go for months by juggling things. So we're not going to default. That's not going to happen.
[Cuomo:] Even if you blow the deadline, you're not worried?
[Gingrich:] No. From 1953 on under general, now president Eisenhower, we have fought over the debt ceiling. For 60 years we've done this. Eisenhower wanted a debt ceiling increase, a bipartisan group of senators said no. It took him a year to get it. We gradually got better at doing it. Some of the biggest changes in spending have come under the debt ceiling. And I don't understand why people give credit to this idea that this is new or different or that it's rationale for Harry Reid or Barack Obama to say I will not negotiate.
[Cuomo:] Our economy is flimsy, the markets are very sensitive. We saw in 2011 with a relatively inconsequential credit move, you have the market tank 2,000 points. It took some time to sustain. Times are different now. If you mess with it, you can't control it in
[D.c. Gingrich:] Which is why the president ought to be getting off his high horse, sitting in a room, bringing in the Congressional leadership, and acting like he's part of the constitution, he's not above it.
[Cuomo:] But should you reinforce the idea that you don't want to mess with this, you guys down in D.C., don't do this, it could be very bad?
[Gingrich:] What do you mean by mess with it? Should they add amendments to it? Absolutely. So they find a way to get to an agreement and act like adults, absolutely.
[Cuomo:] But don't mess with the debt ceiling. Don't you believe
[Gingrich:] In the worst case they could pass a two-week extension and keep fighting. What I object to deeply both as an American citizen, as a conservative and former speaker of the House, is this notion that we somehow owe the president bowing to him and doing things on his terms with no negotiations. I think this is a terrible idea.
[Cuomo:] We had Ben Wepner on the show the other day. I just want to see if you agree with his theory. When you were there, always there had been rights, ideological differences. But at the end of the day both sides knew that they had to work for government and they respected government, but that that has changed, that this new faction of the Republican Party does not respect the existence of government. And if they don't see negotiation as why they were they put in office, they were there to fix even if it means break. Do you agree with that assessment?
[Gingrich:] No. When I was speaker of the House, we had at least 40 members who were deeply, deeply hurt that we agreed to reopen the government when Senator Dole decided we fought long enough, at least 40 members. So I think that part is not unusual. What's unusual is when Clinton was president, we talked virtually every day. We met almost every day. This president, he calls John Boehner and says, his opening line, I will not negotiate. How do you what's the point of the phone call? I think Obama and inability to be leader and his inability to talk with the congressional leadership and his absolute ignorance of the constitution is, I think, breathtaking in an incumbent president.
[Cuomo:] If you had to fill in the "but for" but for the president, you think this wouldn't have happened?
[Gingrich:] This is great irony. If the president negotiated, Boehner would be under more pressure because Boehner would now be trying to figure out a deal. It's easier for Boehner to say, look, the president won't call me. I'm doing the best I can. It doesn't hurt Boehner in his conference to have Harry Reid attack him and Barack Obama attack him. It just strengthens Boehner.
[Cuomo:] Newt Gingrich, thank you for the perspective has always.
[Gingrich:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Michaela, over to you for the headlines.
[Pereira:] Let's take a look at those. Just in to CNN, the 2013 Nobel Prize for physics awarded just moments ago to two scientists for their work confirming the existence of Higgs-Boson, or the so-called "god particles." Francois Englert and Peter Higgs independently predicted the existence of the fundamental particle that explains the existence of mass. The government shutdown has not stopped Social Security checks but hitting the debt limit could. The Obama administration says benefits for millions of Americans could be put on hold if the borrowing limit isn't increased. The Social Security Administration is working with the treasury department, which helps determine how to handle payments if the debt ceiling is not raised. A fourth motorcyclist has been arrested in connection with the beating of an SUV driver in New York City. And 29-year-old Craig Wright is charged with gang assault and unlawful imprisonment. Police say the video shows Wright punching and kicking the driver after he was dragged from the vehicle. Two off-duty undercover cops riding with the bikers are now being questioned. One reportedly didn't come forward for days for fear that his cover would be blown. Problems in the place where the NSA has planned to store a whole lot of information has been collecting. Officials say a series of electrical meltdowns have kept them from using computers at its new billion-dollar data storage center in Utah. It's unclear what exactly is causing the problem, but the power surges have destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. Prince William showing out impressive footwork. Check it out. Before the first ever competitive football match at Buckingham Palace. He joined members of the queen's household team in a training session on a specially prepared pitch. That match marking the 150th anniversary of the U.K. Football Association, of which Prince William is the president. Football, of course, because I don't want the jets fan to get upset, or soccer as we call it here.
[Bolduan:] There you go. Thanks, Michaela. We told you about the strong storms on the east coast overnight. But now let's get straight back to Indra for the rest of your forecast this morning.
[Petersons:] You definitely see this line of storms as it made its way across yesterday. Look at these. Every single one of the dots you see showing up is a report of damage as the storm made its way across, so definitely a powerful system. Good thing now it is offshore in the northeast. The big thing you're going to see though is this huge temperature drop now that the cold front has made its way through. I wanted to give you the reference point. So no, this is not today's forecast, this is what it felt like yesterday ahead of the front. So yesterday, we had some 70s and 80s. Philadelphia, in fact, was 80 degrees yesterday. Now that the cold front pushes through, you can see those temperatures drop down into upper 60s and low 70s. This is actually the average temperature we should be seeing this time of year. We continue to filter in the cool air over the next several days. We see the temperatures drop from above average down to below average. Low 60s in the mix, even frost advisories in the morning, a chill out there. Otherwise in the southeast, you'll notice we have seen a low start to form. With that, moisture pulls in off of the Gulf. That's going to make its way up the coastline, so look for 2 to 4 inches of rain in the Carolinas. Eventually it makes its way up into the northeast by the end of the week.
[Bolduan:] Thanks, Indra.
[Cuomo:] We'll take a quick break here. Coming up, what made Navy SEALs pull back on a mission to capture an al Qaeda operative. We have the answer for you, and it may surprise you.
[Bolduan:] And a salmonella outbreak is affecting hundreds of people in more than a dozen states. Are food safety officials prepared to handle outbreaks like this now that the government is partially shut down?

[Becky Anderson, Cnn:] A rare glimpse into a city under siege: ISIS in the crosshairs. Rare new images from the front lines in Syria as Kurdish fighters battle extremists for control over Kobani. All this hour, we'll take you live there and to Baghdad for the latest political developments in the fight against ISIS. Also ahead a number of global Ebola cases passes 10,000. As the world sets up efforts to combat the disease, there's disagreement about how to contain it.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
[Anderson:] A very good evening. It is 7:00 in the evening here in the UAE. We begin with a clearer picture, or at least images, of what's happening in the fight against ISIS militants inside the northern Syrian city of Kobani. This is footage from the front lines inside what is this strategic city. Fighters from the Kurdish People's Protection Unit, or YPG, are fighting ISIS militants in close combat, as you can see. Well, meanwhile, Iraqi military forces and Kurdish fighters making gains against ISIS. They've taken control of towns north and south of Baghdad. We're covering the war against these militants from all angles. Ben Wedeman covering the latest from Baghdad. Nick Paton Walsh is in Turkey on the border with Syria. He filed this report just a few minutes ago.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Becky, for much of the day, the sound of the clashes have been concentrated to the east and south of the city. You can see now a number of plumes of black smoke filling the sky over Kobani. We don't quite know what they are. They may be tire fires, or perhaps a vehicle on fire. We've been hearing more explosions to the south of the city here. And of course as dusk falls, we've often seen in the past an uptick of activity here. But the key question remains when do the Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga, coming from northern Iraq through Turkey into Kobani, when will they actually arrive. There had been thoughts they could have arrived last night, or during today, Sunday, there is now uncertainty. Turkish President Erdogan highlighting in comments as he flew back from eastern Europe that in fact he wasn't sure how much the Syrian Kurds wanted to see the Peshmerga arrive in Kobani at all. Now we do know that they have said to us they don't want the manpower, they just want the heavy weaponry they hope the Peshmerga will bring, but people do seem to accept there are ongoing technical complications about their passage through Turkey and arrival here. A lot of secrecy, too, the Turkish military moving us from the hills we would normally observe Kobani from. So a changing dynamic here as well. The Peshmerga could arrive discretely at any time, or this continued dispute could go on. But also clear news from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights who say that since the fight for this city began, over 800 people have died, over 480 of them Islamic State, ISIS militants, and 302 of them said to be Kurdish YPG fighters. A lot of lives being lost here, perhaps more to be lost, too. And the big question for the Kurds holding that city for now when will they get vital resupply and help Becky.
[Anderson:] That was Nick Paton Walsh from the Turkish-Syrian border. Let me get you into Iraq and into the capital there Baghdad where Ben Wedeman is standing by. And I want to talk about the arrival the potential arrival of the Peshmerga where Nick was observing in a moment. First, though, the eastern flank of ISIS's fear of influences to a certain extent where you are reports say that the scope of their control is at least in part on the wane. Can you add some detail to that?
[Ben Wedeman, Cnn International Correspondent:] It might be a bit premature actually to say it's on the wane, but they have suffered some small, but perhaps symbolic defeats. Up in the north to the west of Mosul, Peshmerga forces, those Kurdish military forces, have taken the town of Zumar which is between Mosul, which ISIS took over in June, and the Syrian border. And this seems to be the tactic being used up in the north at the moment, which is to cut off Mosul from the rest of the areas controlled by ISIS. Now outside Baghdad, about 30 kilometers to the south rather 50 kilometers to the south there's the area known as Jaraf al-Sakr, and that area is where the Iraqi army and the government are proclaiming a significant defeat of ISIS in that area. This is an area that's very near to some strategic highways linking Baghdad to the southern parts of the country. Now we were out in that area today, and what is interesting is that it appears that the people who are really leading the fight against ISIS don't appear to be the army itself, but a variety of Shia militias. And they bring along their own sectarian baggage with them that has often caused problems in the past. And also in the past we've seen, even in the areas where the Iraqi forces, the militias and the army, have been able to drive out ISIS, oftentimes they don't have enough forces to secure the area and then ISIS quickly returns. So, these are some small steps forward, but nothing in the way of actual permanent progress, Becky.
[Anderson:] As we await official confirmation that the Peshmerga in the north of Iraq are moving towards and on their way to help out in the Syrian city of Kobani and forgive us viewers without a map and perhaps we should bring a map up, these things do become a little bit complicated we're talking to the west and the eastern flank of this DAISH caliphat, as it were. I know, Ben, that you've been out and about on the streets of Baghdad. And I think it's important for our viewers to get a sense of what sort of life is like on a day-to-day basis as we continue to report on the sort of machinations of the coalition fight against ISIS. What's life like on a sort of regular basis for those who live in the city?
[Wedeman:] Becky, I've been coming in and out of Baghdad for the last 20 years. And certainly this is a city that has seen some very dark days and seen some days where there were glimmers of hope. And when you go around the city, yes, it's a changed city in the sense that there are checkpoints everywhere. There's security all over the place, but despite it all there's some areas, there's some streets where you really do feel that despite all the troubles of the moment, there are still glimmers of hope When you are looking for a book in Baghdad, any book, you'll find it here on Muqtanabi Street every Friday. Whether it's an old copy of Hemingway's Farewell to Arms, or Welles' Animal Farm or 1984, or something more recent. There's an Arabic saying that goes something like this, "Cairo writes, Beirut publishes and Baghdad reads." For almost half a century, Qahtan Mallak has catered to Baghdad's voracious readers. But it's not just about the books.
[Qahtan Mallak, Book Seller:] Muqtanabdi Street is one of the things which keeps Baghdad [inaudible] not only [inaudible] but they're alive.
[Wedeman:] Some tried, but failed, to kill that spirit. In 2007, a car bomb here killed 26 people. The book sellers and customers, however, were determined to keep the market alive.
[Kifah Amin, Iraqi Writer:] The show much go on. And we there's no life we must enjoy our lives.
[Wedeman:] And despite everything, somehow they do. What's amazing about Baghdad is that despite the often grim headlines one reads coming out of here, that the people have managed to maintain the ability to function at least to try to find a way to function in the normal manner. In the park just off Muqtanabdi Street an artist will draw your girlfriend's picture. You can listen to music. Or join lively debates on any subject under the sun. "We talk about a variety of topics economics, politics, or literature," says Saad Kashkouk, a clearing agent. "Sometimes it gets a bit heated, but in the end we're all friends." Teacher Hala Tamimi is a regular participant. "There is a future," she says. "Like it or not, even if there's only one Iraqi left, we have a future and I'm thinking of the future." This is just a tiny corner of Baghdad, of Iraq, but here in addition to books and banter, you can find hope." And certainly people do continue to hope. It's amazing, really, how through it all Iraqis still seem to have a reservoir of optimism Becky.
[Anderson:] Ben Wedeman reporting. Ben, always a pleasure. Thank you. Well, Dr. Anthony Fauci is of the U.S. National Institutes of Health and says tough new. Quarantine rules could discourage medical personnel from going abroad to fight Ebola. Now the governors of New York, New Jersey and Illinois have imposed a mandatory 21 day quarantine on certain health care workers returning from West Africa. The new restrictions caught federal authorities off guard. Well, for more on what is a has to be said a growing controversy, let's get to Alexandra Feidl who is standing outside Bellevue Hospital where I believe New York's first reported Ebola patient is being held in isolation. What do we know at this point?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Becky. Dr. Craig Spencer is in isolation at this hospital where he's still undergoing treatment. He is a medical worker who had returned from West Africa. He had been in New York City for a few days visiting a local restaurant, going to a park, riding the subway, even going to a bowling alley before he detected that he had a fever and was taken to the hospital. In response to that case, governors in several states now say they don't want to take a risk and they have imposed regulations that are above the federal recommendations.
[Field:] A mandatory 21-day quarantine or hospitalization already imposed by New York and New Jersey and now, Illinois is causing heated debate on handling the possible spread of Ebola. In an effort to ease public concerns, the three states announced the measures for any airline passenger coming in from a West African nation hit hard by the deadly virus. A mandatory quarantine goes into effect for travelers who had direct contact with an infected person. In a statement issued by the state of Illinois, Governor Quinn says, "This protective measure is too important to be voluntary. We must take every step necessary to ensure the people of Illinois are protected from potential exposure from the Ebola virus." In New York, where the state is already dealing with an Ebola case, Governor Andrew Cuomo says health care workers are ready.
[Gov. Andrew Cuomo , New York:] The workers feel that they've had the training. They've had the equipment. We've gone through the protocols. We've drilled. We've drilled. We've drilled.
[Field:] But the mandates are causing concerns with the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in other infectious disease specialists. In a statement, the CDC says health care workers volunteering to combat the Ebola epidemic in West Africa are heroes. The epidemic there won't end without them. And without their work, the U.S. will be at increased risk.
[Celine Gounder, Infectious Diseases And Public Health Specialist:] I do have very real concerns especially since I am somebody who is planning to go myself that this is really going to prevent some people from volunteering. We're already having difficulty recruiting health care workers to go over. And if you're going to institute even what frankly feel like punitive measures against people volunteering time, taking real risks, it just doesn't feel right and fair.
[Rep. Tim Murphy , Founding Member, Gop Doctors Caucus:] We do not have a vaccine. We do not have a cure. We only have treatment. And one needs to understand a virus constantly trying to mutate, constantly trying to find a new host to live on and as such quarantine is only thing that breaks the link.
[Field:] While several states are going ahead and forging their own path, federal recommendations are also being strengthened. That starts tomorrow. That's from the CDC. Any people who are returning to the States from the hot zone in West Africa will now be actively monitored by health officials for the 21 day incubation period. Prior to that, Becky, people were self- monitoring.
[Anderson:] Alexandra, thank you. Still to come tonight here on Connect the World with me Becky Anderson, 13 minutes past 7:00 by the way in the UAE, Libya after Gadhafi. We'll hear from the late dictator's cousin on the spiral of violence that's consumed a nation since Moammar Gadhafi's death three years ago. And the other side of the Arab Spring, the road to democracy reigns in neighboring Tunisia as today millions go to the polls in a parliamentary election. We'll analyze what went right and what still could go wrong. That's coming up.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, I'm Brooke Baldwin. And welcome to first night of my new program. It's called ICYMI. And our mission in the next 30 minutes is to comb through every single story CNN has been covering all day all over the world, to bring you the very best moments of what we do. Those moments when the meaning of a story suddenly becomes clear. And they only have been a few times each and every day. They're the reason we do what we do. Like the one picture, so powerful. Out of all of our dozens of video feeds in which the image itself tells a story or the interview in which CNN has unique access and the ability to get a story no one else has because of a journalist relationship with his brother. Or it's someone we met at a disaster scene who makes us believe that human beings can concur anything. These are the moments the best of CNN today IN CASE YOU MISSED IT. Now let's get started. We begin tonight with the awful and senseless death of a popular actor. It was around 8:00 Pacific Time, Saturday night, when CNN first sent out a mobile alert that the star of the "Fast & Furious" franchise, Paul Walker, was dead at the age of 40. The cause as ironic as it was sad. This fiery car crash and today we got this one picture that truly tells the story. I mean, just stop and take a look with me at this just for a moment here tonight. It is almost impossible to believe that this twisted hunk of metal was one of the world's most coveted cars. It was a 2005 Porche Carrera GT and the two men were inside of that. Paul Walker and his racing partner until the moment they slammed into a light pole and the car burst into flames. CNN's Alan Duke was on the scene early for us. He snapped these photos of the tire marks shortly after the incident, right here. You see these marks? Police have been investigating whether drag racing was a cause. And I can tell you tonight that Alan Duke has got an update on that. We'll check with him in just a moment. But Walker was known to so many as Brian O'Connor, a cop turned street racer in the popular "Fast & Furious" movies, which have spawned six sequels since the original film debut in 2001. And these movies were known for their intense street racing action scenes. It is clear that CNN digital reporter, Alan Duke, has been out ahead of this story from the beginning. He joins me from Los Angeles. Allen, you were one of the first people on the scene. I know that this actor has been on your beat. No surprise. You have been getting all this latest information. You have breaking news tonight about this investigation. What can you tell us?
[Alan Duke, Cnn Digital Correspondent:] It all goes back to the phone call that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department received Saturday night after the fiery crash. They got a call, a tipster saying that there had been drag racing, a second car involved. When I started my morning today I was told by the sheriff's department they were investigating the possibility of drag racing. But by this afternoon, I had another conversation with the sheriff's department and they said they ruled it out they couldn't find any supporting evidence that another car was there. They were focusing on speed. They are trying to figure out why the speed caused it to lose control.
[Baldwin:] Yes, you know, I was talking to experts today who were exploring the possibility. It could have been drag racing. We now know your reporting it has been ruled out. Since investigators are focusing on speed, you took those first pictures of those tire marks. Tell us a little bit about this car itself. This is the 2005 Porche Carrera GT. Professionals say this thing is difficult to maneuver.
[Duke:] Yes, those tire marks when I saw them I was trying to see if I could connect them to the crash because they were close to the crash. In fact, I found the street was just lined with these tire marks, obviously too many for that one car to create. But what it told me was that this street is a place where racing and burnouts happen. The kind of thing you would see in the movie "Fast & Furious." This car is a dangerous car, notoriously difficult to drive. "Auto Week" magazine published a report on it where they quoted a top driver saying it is scary. This is not a streetcar. It is a toy. It's something you put in a showroom to lure people there. This is a beautiful expensive almost a half million dollar car you don't want to drive unless you are a professional. A semi-professional was driving it. Someone who had won trophies driving porches in fact, but it was too much for him to handle apparently.
[Baldwin:] Alan Duke, incredible details and photos. Alan Duke, thank you so much tonight. And now to that commuter train crash in New York City. We have learned tonight that the train was traveling 82 miles an hour into a curve when it should have been going 30, causing it to skid off the tracks, plunge down a cliff. This was early Sunday morning. Four people were killed and at least 67 were injured and CNN has been on the inside of the story since early Sunday morning. On "NEW DAY" today we heard a powerful survivor story from a young woman named Amanda Swanson. So Amanda's story is this, she took a photograph from inside the devastating wreckage and gave it to just CNN. When she was talking with Kate Bolduan this morning, that was the first time that she in fact had even seen video from the crash scene.
[Amanda Swanson, Crash Survivor:] I stayed in the city last night at my cousin and we didn't have access to the television. The only news I have seen has been just on the internet. So seeing the footage is horrific.
[Kate Bolduan, Anchor, Cnn's "new Day":] Does it seem even real?
[Swanson:] For me, no. I mean, clearly, I barely have scrapes and bruises. I'm sore. But I mean, I came out of this more unscathed than some car accidents that I've been in. And hearing about the other injuries walking past the people I have no idea why or how I am sitting here talking to you.
[Baldwin:] And just tonight on "AC360," Anderson Cooper had a gut wrenching conversation with the wife and children of Jim Lovell, the 58-year-old technician on NBC's "Today" show was killed in that crash. He was on his way to Rockefeller Plaza to set up for the Christmas tree lighting.
[Unidentified Female:] I want people to know that he was pure goodness and he lived that and showed that and gave that to his boys every single day. He gave that to his guys he worked with and his family and brothers and nieces and nephews. He gave that to his beautiful daughter.
[Anderson Cooper, Host, Cnn's "ac 360":] I saw some of the tweets you were sending out. Tell us about your dad.
[Unidentified Male:] Well, first off, I just want to say that my dad is not a victim. I don't want him to be known as a victim. Jim Lovell was so much more than just a victim. He was a loving father, great dad, best friend, uncle, great co-worker, just always had a smile on his face. Never had anything bad to say about anyone one of the best people you could have ever met. I'm so proud and blessed to have been able to call him my father.
[Baldwin:] Did you see that moment? Those boys holding that mother's hand, incredibly emotional, so many people tonight searching for answers, but investigators are not certain if the cause of the crash was mechanical or if it was human error. This morning on "NEW DAY," Chris Cuomo interviewed New York Governor Andrew Cuomo who also happens to be his brother.
[Andrew Cuomo, Anchor, Cnn's "new Day":] When you went to the scene, you got there very quickly yesterday. What was it like?
[Governor Andrew Cuomo , New York:] What you missed from the pictures, Chris, is as the cars skidded along the dirt, the windows broke out, the doors opened and they were picking up stones, rocks, dirt, tree limbs were flying through the cars. So the actually cars were filled with debris, filled with dirt.
[Baldwin:] And Chris Cuomo is joining me now. You talked to your brother, the governor of New York this morning on "NEW DAY," getting new information. But first in terms of new information tonight, what do you know about this derailment?
[Cuomo:] The brakes, the biggest question. They now know that the brakes were only applied seconds before the derailment. Why so late? Two possibilities before you jump to the conclusion of must not have been done in time. We don't know according to the NTSB if the operator tried to use them and they didn't function, which is what he said.
[Baldwin:] He said he tried the brakes and they didn't work.
[Cuomo:] So they don't know, but they do know that the brakes were not applied until very late and that is a huge question mark. Because you have families who lost loved ones, they deserve to know what happened. You have all the commuters who need to know what happened and then the duty of the rest of us to make sure that people have confidence in the system and that the investigation is carried out the right way.
[Baldwin:] You handled the interview with your brother who is the governor of the state. You mentioned it is in the hands of the NTSB, but you have this unique relationship with Andrew Cuomo, which helped us have this all crucial information. We are grateful for that relationship. You look at Twitter and say why are they interviewing each other? And no other journalist available? How do you respond?
[Cuomo:] There's a lot here. Reporting is all connections. One of my regrets would be that my brother didn't give me exclusive information that he didn't give other people. Then all the criticism would be worthwhile. But, Brooke, this is something that I have considered probably more than most, the sensitivity of how to separate family from journalism given my family who I'm proud to be with. But I knew there was no conflict here. He's got a job to do so do I. This was all fact based and it didn't involve him in terms of the accountability. That changes everything. If there is something that has been done wrong at the state level that he deserves to get hammered and has to answer for it, right? I wouldn't put myself in that position. If it were politics, I wouldn't do it.
[Baldwin:] At what point do you say no, I can't interview him?
[Cuomo:] If it's about his political career and actions or things he must answer for, that's for somebody else to do. I have someone sitting to my right who is capable of doing that interview. I knew there were no conflicts.
[Baldwin:] There was a moment today, thank you for taking it head on, Chris Cuomo. Appreciate you.
[Cuomo:] Good luck on the new show.
[Baldwin:] Thank you. Now before we go to a quick break, I want to show you, this is our video wall. We counted and CNN took in about 200 videos of stories from all over the world. We went through just about every one of them for you to find out which were the most powerful and interesting or just told a story well. And when we come back, I want to show you a couple of these in case you missed it. Back in a moment.

[Costello:] This morning, Washington faces more anger and more embarrassment over reports that the National Security Agency eaves dropped on the cell phone conversations of world leaders, leaders, pleural. The White House took out an op-ed responding to all of this. Obama's counterterrorism advisers said that, quote, "Disclosures have created significant challenges in our relationships." She goes on to say that the president has ordered a review of our surveillance capabilities including with our foreign German Chancellor Angela Merkel is a key U.S. ally and one of the reported target of that spying. She said others shared her outrage at the EU Summit, which wraps up today.
[Angela Merkel, German Chancellor:] I think it's to find a basis for the future and trust needs to be rebuilt. That implies that the trust has been severely shaken.
[Costello:] CNN Atika Shubert has more on the European Summit and the growing outrage against the United States.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Carol, Angela Merkel has very clear at an U.E. Brussels about just how angry she is with these allegations of NSA spying on her personal German Chancellor Merkel has been very clear at E.U. summit in Brussels about how angry she is about the spying on her personal phone. She called it a betrayal of trust of "The NSA was monitoring the phone calls of at least there this is all part of the NSA leaks that were put out by Edward Snowden. And according to another document given to the newspaper by Edward Snowden, the NSA was monitoring the phone calls of at least 35 other world leaders. Now both France and Germany are demanding talks with the U.S. by the end of the year.
[Costello:] Reporting on the subject of the NSA. Sometimes you can't help eavesdropping, right, NSA? Well, a former political strategy gist found himself within ear shots on a conversation. He overheard former CIA and NSA director apparently talk on the cell phone. He started tweeting out what he heard. And no supervise, those tweets went viral.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] I talked to Tom Mattzzie a short time ago. And he says he wasn't eavesdropping but Hayden was being quote the loud guy on the train. Tom Matzzie said he was reluctant to start tweeting. He didn't want to do it at first. It was about an hour and a half between the time he got on the train and the time he tweeted and the time Michael Hayden started taking the phone calls. He believes that Hayden was being undignified and it was inappropriate for Hayden to be saying the things he was saying. Let's go ver a couple of the tweets. One of them says, quote, former NSA spy boss on a krol behind me blabing, quote, acela. And a third, quote on acela, phone ring, I think the jig is up. Do I hide? And then he eventually spoke to Michael Hayden, got a picture with him. And I guess they're both from Pittsburgh because he says, here, me and Steeler fan Michael Hayden. Now, again, Tom Matzzie, is pretty unrepentant about this. He says he believes Hayden was banking or years of credibility to kind of hide. Hayden has pushed back on that a little bit, carol. But this is one of those things that blows up on the twit twitter atmosphere.
[Costello:] Hayden issued a statement to CNN. He said had a nice chat with my fellow Pittsburgher. He says, I didn't criticize the president. I said these were very difficult issues. And I said I had guidance that limited the things I did when I was director of the NSA. The tweeter Tom Matzzie is live in the 11:00 hour of CNN with Ashleigh Banfield. I want to take you back live to Boulder, Colorado. It is breaking news because court documents have been released after 17 years in the JonBenet Ramsey case. Ana Cabrera is there. She has been reading these documents. What do they say?
[Cabrera:] Carol, again, these are from the 1999 grand jury indictment of JonBenet Ramsey's parents. We've just now gotten a look at these documents learning that the grand jury did indeed believe that the parents had some responsibility in their daughter's death. What's interesting is that they necessarily don't say that they believe that John and Patsy Ramsey committed the murder themselves. There are four pages released, two on John Ramsey and two on Patsy Ramsey, and the two charges that the grand jury wanted to hold these two people accountable for had to do with assisting in the murder or in some way impeding the investigation. Now ultimately then D.A. here in Boulder Alex Hunter decided that there wasn't enough evidence for him to move forward with the case and try John Ramsey or Patsy Ramsey in this case at all. And the case was dropped. And then several years later, back in 200, then D.A., Mary Lacy, who had taken over ended up sending a letter to John Ramsey following the death of Patsy Ramsey saying that new DNA technology and testing proved that they did not commit the murder. And ultimately the person who committed the murder was male and unrelated to the immediate Ramsey family. We have reached out to the current attorney representing John Ramsey who did not want to comment specifically. But he referred to a letter he had sent to the current D.A. the latest information which included, again, that the DNA had ultimately cleared his client. And that's all they want to say right now. We talked to the Boulder Police Department, Carol, also, about where this investigation stands today. And we are told that this is still an open investigation. But it's a cold case. So that means there's not an active investigation going on right now. They do continue to get tips. They continue to follow up on leads they may have. But we're told they have not had any credible tips in a very long time and no new leads that would provide a break through into who killed 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey Carol.
[Costello:] I know that Mr. Ramsey didn't want these documents released, but he wasn't other court documents released as well so people could get a clear picture. But going back to what it said, it believed one or both parents assisted in the murder? Is that what you said?
[Cabrera:] That's how we're interpreting them. I can read you. On or between December 25th and 26th, 1996 that's when we know JonBenet was killed in her parents' home that John and or Patricia Ramsey did unknowingly, recklessly to permit a child to be placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury or death to a child's health. And it less says they render assistance to prevent the discover and conviction and punishment of such a person. In laymen's terms, we are understanding this to me that the grand jury had some kind of involvement in their daughter's death, that they should be held responsible for that involvement. But it does not clarify or necessarily pin the murder on them specifically.
[Costello:] It makes you wonder I'm sorry. It makes you wonder who that person is.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] A single person was responsible for taking down this flight.
[Carsten Spohr, Ceo, Lufthansa:] To tell you the truth, we have no explanation at this point.
[Unidentified Female:] A number of airlines have since changed cockpit rules.
[Richard Quest, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] That door was designed for a purpose. That purpose had consequences.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] There's no doubt that we would like to see a functioning central government in Yemen. We don't see that right now.
[Unidentified Male:] This is really a war to defend religious government of Yemen and to protect the Yemeni people.
[Unidentified Female:] The fight to recapture the Iraqi city of Tikrit from ISIS militants. They asked the U.S. to get involved, because the Iraqi air force does not have the same air power capabilities.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY, with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome to our viewers in the U.S. and around the world. This is NEW DAY. It is Friday, March 27, 6 a.m. here in New York. We know what happened to Flight 9525. The mystery now surrounds why. German police searching the home of the co-pilot, who authorities say deliberately crashed the plane into the mountains, killing himself, but murdering is 49 others on board. Investigators focusing on whether a 27-year-old Andreas Lubitz was mentally ill, and clues that he was planning to not just take his own life, but to cowardly take so many innocent lives with him.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] We're also learning more about what went on inside the cockpit. Lubitz locked the door, and he reprogrammed the plane's autopilot after the pilot stepped out. This as some airlines around the world changed their protocols because of this senseless tragedy. CNN has this story covered the way only CNN can. We begin with senior international correspondent Frederik Pleitgen. He is live in Cologne, Germany Fred.
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, good morning, Alisyn. And certainly a lot of new information coming out after that big day yesterday, when we found out that Andreas Lubitz did, in fact, apparently deliberately steer that aircraft into the mountains. We were able yesterday to speak exclusively to the CEO of the parent company of Germanwings, of Lufthansa. And he said the airline is shocked, and the airline is trying to get to the bottom of what happened. They also say they believe they had no indication that he might have had any sort of mental issues. Let's have a look at how the investigation is unfolding.
[Pleitgen:] Investigators say they found what may be evidence while combing through 27-year-old co-pilot Andreas Lubitz's home. Police say they took several objects and papers, possible clues as to why the German national deliberately crashed Flight 9525 into the French Alps. Audio from the aircraft's mangled cockpit voice recorder revealing the chilling steps Lubitz took to kill all 150 on board. Thirty minutes into the flight from Barcelona, the captain steps out of the cockpit once the plane hit cruising altitude, presumably to use the rest room. Lubitz, now alone with the door locked, reprograms the autopilot from 30,000 feet to 100 feet, sending the jetliner straight toward the Alps. The pilot, heard on the recording, first knocking, then banging on the cockpit door. Lubitz didn't utter a word, investigators say and was breathing normally. Passengers only heard on the recording during the final minutes before the crash, screaming. Lufthansa's CEO says Lubitz had more than 600 hours of flight experience and showed no signs of mental instability.
[Spohr:] The pilot has passed all his tests, all his medical exams. All the safety nets we are so proud of here, have not worked in this case.
[Pleitgen:] Until the last moments, Lubitz seemed to live a normal life. Lubitz ran a fast half-marathon, liked nightclubs, and popular music. And there are reports he may have had a girlfriend. The co-pilot's flight history also unremarkable. He was accepted into Lufthansa's pilot training program in 2008, training in Germany and Phoenix, Arizona. He joined Germanwings in September 2013, with only one flag on his resume. Lufthansa's CEO says there was an interruption during his training, said to have lasted several months, something the airlines says is not uncommon. Lubitz even a member of a flight club near his home. "He was a lot of fun," says one member. "He was just another boy like so many others here." And of course, investigators are now spending their time scanning Lubitz's background. One thing that, of course, is invaluable to them is the documents that they found inside those two places where Lubitz was staying. We have learned this morning that all those documents are going to be turned over to the French prosecutor. Apparently as we speak right now, there are French police officers on their way from Marseille to here, in Germany, to pick those documents up and bring them back for the investigation Chris.
[Cuomo:] Fred, so many affected by the acts of one man. We'll check back with you. The co-pilot's hometown in shock over the news that he has the blood of 149 incidents innocents on his hands. Many saying he was a normal guy, as you heard, and certainly not a mass murder. But authorities say that is not the case anymore. CNN's Rosie Tomkins is there in Montabaur, Germany, his hometown. Rosie, what do we know from there?
[Rosie Tomkins, Cnn Correspondent:] HI, Chris. Yes, well, as you can see, global media gathered outside what, until last week, until the last few days, was just a normal home in Germany. And today, the focus of global scrutiny, as people search for answers as to why this young man who grew up here, Andreas Lubitz grew up here with his parents, why he would do such a thing. The local community in shock, as you say. They cannot understand it. People that knew him, by all accounts, described him as a normal young man, polite, friendly. He had friends at the local flying school. He says he was so excited since he was a teenager about becoming a pilot. And he was realizing those dreams now. And everybody just searching for clues, any clues, as to why he would have done that. We have had these reports that he took a break in his training, and then some reports saying there may have been some kind of breakdown there. But no confirmation about the airline, only able at the time to confirm he took that break. And neighbors and residents here not only in shock but also expressing some sympathy for the family here, who of course, are not only dealing with the terrible loss of their family member like others, but also the incredibly shocking news that it was their son that, it appears, deliberately plunged this aircraft to death with all these people on board.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] OK, our thanks for that look. The grief-stricken families, meanwhile, of Flight 9525 have been flown to France by the airline to attend a memorial service near the crash site. This as the grim task of recovering remains and debris is being hampered by worsening weather conditions. CNN's Nic Robertson is live nearby in the French Alps with more for us Nic.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes good morning, Michaela. It is very windy here this morning, but the helicopters are still flying. Every couple of minutes, a helicopter goes over our heads into the mountains as part of the recovery effort. We've seen the recovery teams preparing to get on more helicopters. They have backpacks on. They have ropes and harnesses with them. The families who came here yesterday and the families who came who will come today, yesterday they attended a memorial service. It was as close as the French authorities could get them to the crash site. The French authorities really going out of their way to try and help the families with their grief. Help with the shock of the knowledge that they were intentionally killed by the co-pilot. But one father saying more important to look at their whole lives than the last few minutes. This is what he said.
[Robert Tansill Oliver, Father Of Crash Victim Robert Oliver Calvo:] I would encourage them to not focus on those last ten minutes of the final crash. Well, I'd like to encourage them to think about the wonderful years that they have enjoyed life together. Those wonderful moments, happy moments with the family, with friends.
[Robertson:] The recovery teams are bringing pieces of aircraft and recovering some of the bodies from the crash site. But it is expected to take a long time. If the wind increases, then that could affect the operations today. And really, that's the major concern right now, to accelerate the recovery as fast as they can. And that is what we're seeing, a lot of helicopters passing overhead this morning, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] OK, Nic, keep us posted on how all that is going. Thank you for that report. Let's turn now to David Soucie. He's our CNN safety analyst and former FAA safety inspector. And Tom Fuentes, CNN law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director. Gentlemen, thanks so much. Let's talk about all of the new developments. Tom, in fact, I want to start with you. Investigators went to the co- pilot's home in Germany. And they say that they found something, quote, "significant." But they wouldn't say what it was. Only that it was not a suicide note. Do you have any information on what exactly they've unearthed or what they would be looking for there at his house?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] I don't have any information about that, Alisyn. But obviously, they would be looking for anything that indicates he's you know, his mental frame of mind. Does he have does he belong to some extremist group of any kind. Does he have financial problems? Does he have any other personal problems that may have affected his mental state and caused him to want to take his life and take 149 other innocent people with him? So documents, computer records, any of that that they can find that helps. And apparently, they must have found something, because they're having it transported to the prosecutor in Marseille.
[Camerota:] David there are reports in German media that the pilot was suffering from depression. And maybe, in fact, he had had a previous bout of depression that interrupted some of his pilot training. All of this is speculation; no one has confirmed it. Do pilots routinely undergo psychological testing?
[David Soucie, Cnn Safety Analyst:] Not routinely. There's a couple of things that they do, however. What they do is, it's a fit for departure or a fit for duty exam, basically, that you take before you get everything for every single flight. The idea is to make the pilot aware and cognizant of his environment of himself before he actually says, "I'm going to take the responsibility of flying this airplane."
[Camerota:] What does that look like?
[Soucie:] It's basically a check box.
[Camerota:] So you get a you get some paperwork and you say...
[Soucie:] It's on the computer. And you check it. But then there are some airlines that you do have a piece of paper, that you sign it and you say, "I am fit for duty."
[Camerota:] So it's self-reporting?
[Soucie:] Yes.
[Camerota:] What about when they're going through training? When they're before they become pilots, is there some sort of psychological examination?
[Soucie:] It's more of a psychological test, honestly. I mean, you're being pushed to the limits as far as what you can and cannot do. You're put in simulators. You're constantly grilled. You're it's like a very intense college, where you're going through these things step after step after step. And they're intentionally compressed into areas where eventually, at the end of the training, this pilot has been submitted to a lot of stress, a lot of problems. So I think that's probably the most intense.
[Camerota:] So once you're a pilot, how do they monitor mental health?
[Soucie:] Other than this fit for duty, which is a Federal Aviation Administration regulation, actually, right now; it has to be done. So as far as mental health continuing, there are what we call crew resource managements in the cockpit. That's very intense. And this is an intimate relationship, really, that goes on in that cockpit between the pilot and the co-pilot. So that in itself produces a certain level of awareness of each other. You're watching out for each other. You look at these police shows where they say, "This is my partner. I'm not going to do anything without my partner." That kind of relationship is what goes on in the cockpit, although you have different people rotating in and out.
[Camerota:] Tom, we also understand in terms of background checks, in terms of any sort of examination, it varies from country to country and maybe even airline to airline.
[Fuentes:] That's true. But Lufthansa has one of the best reputations in the world for, you know, all of their operations of that airline. So you know, if this can happen to Lufthansa, think of all the other airlines out there that it could happen to, as well.
[Camerota:] David, do you think things need to change in terms of the mental health examination or is it going pretty well?
[Soucie:] I most certainly do, and every pilot I talk to says, "You know, it's a good system. It works; it's safe. We're meeting the minimum, what would be the considered the minimum requirement." And that's, by the way, what regulations do. They say this is the minimum thing that you have to do. What it doesn't say is how you have to do it. And that's what that's why things are different throughout the country and the world, is the way that they're done. Almost every regulation at the end of it says "or other means acceptable to the administrator."
[Camerota:] Meaning what? You'd like to see more uniformity?
[Soucie:] I would, yes. I think that it could be better. But we have to approach it cautiously and in the manner of a safety improvement. Part of the safety management system, which every airline has. And that safety management system will weigh the alternatives of what needs to be done. Instead of just saying, "Hey, this is a problem, and here's a fix that we should do," what's often skipped in that during the dramatics of what's going on is they say, "Here's the problem; here's the fix." Well, between that, there's a lot of work that has to be done. A lot of analysis, or you'll end up doing something that just makes safety worse instead of better.
[Camerota:] Tom, I know as an investigator you're always looking at the human factor. If, in fact, this co-pilot was depressed, this is beyond a suicide. This is a mass murder. What would you do as an investigator to begin trying to really sort of unlock who this person was?
[Fuentes:] Well, they'll be looking at everything in his life, as I mentioned earlier, trying to find out if there's some indication that he's having personal problems or that he's had them in the past. You know, as David mentioned, when they go through flight training, that's one of the most stressful environments they're ever going to face in their life. And you would think at that point, if he had issues, that classmates, instructors, others would notice it and, you know, take steps to remove the person from the environment, knowing that they would, you know, maybe not, you know, be healthy enough mentally to fly. In this case, this is not a situation where he was dealing with a stressful situation at the moment. You know, clear day, good weather, clear flight, no problems. But the depression was a creeping insidious illness that he may have had, that caused this to come about over a period of time. The decision to crash that plane may have been made weeks ago and just waiting for the right moment, the right time to actually execute his plan.
[Camerota:] That's all so troubling to think about. David Soucie, Tom Fuentes, thanks so much. We'll check back in with you. Let's go over to Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Alisyn. There's other news developing right now. We've learned that Yemen's president is taking refuge in Saudi Arabia, forced out of a country that is now up for grabs. As for the chaos he leaves behind, a Saudi-led Arab coalition keeps pounding Iran-backed Houthi rebels with airstrikes, a dynamic that further destabilizes the entire region, as well as the United States' dealings with Iran. So let's check in with CNN senior international correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh, joining us from Kabul, Afghanistan, with the latest Nick.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Chris, a troubling regional dimension, as you were saying, to this. We're now seeing, of course, the second night passing of Saudi predominantly Saudi airstrikes against those Houthi rebels. They seem to be targeting the northern stronghold of the Iranian-backed Houthis. And the Houthis saying ten civilians were killed in these strikes, one hitting a market, one hitting a house near a Houthi leader, who presumably was the target there. But while the anger builds clearly on the ground, as well, potentially the devastation, too, the enduring question is does that Saudi coalition have to send in ground troops to achieve their aims on the ground, which are to restore the government of President Hadi, as you mentioned, who has now fled to Riyadh in Saudi Arabia. He hopes to attend, along with the rest of the key leaders in this Sunni Arab coalition now attacking the Houthis, a key Arab League meeting in Sharm el-Sheikh on the way imminently. Now what we are vitally seeing at this point is that group suggesting they may need a joint reaction force to militarily intervene in what they refer to as hot spots around the region. That's the key issue here. We're seeing the Sunni states here getting their act together on one side against in this case in Yemen the Shia, as you mentioned, that replicates the violence across the Middle East. The U.S., despite their peace talks with Shia Iran now coming to a vital moment, are actually giving intelligence backing up militarily, the Sunni coalition here. That's a very messy place for Washington to be, and we're in very dangerous uncharted territory here for the Middle East as a whole Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right. Nick, thank you very much. We'll keep checking in with you Michaela.
[Pereira:] Breaking news out of Amsterdam at this hour. A major power outage has hit the Dutch capital. All outgoing flights from Schiphol Airport are on hold, we understand they should be resuming soon and operations should continue. Incoming flights are being diverted to other regional airports. The outage reportedly was caused by an overload on the power grid. The affect will be widespread. Schiphol is one of the biggest international airports, of course, in Europe.
[Camerota:] The Republican-led U.S. Senate passing a budget plan that would cut spending by $5.1 trillion over ten years. Raise military funding and attempt to repeal Obamacare. This passed after a marathon 15-hour debate session before recessing for the Easter holiday. The House passed a similar spending plan Wednesday. The bills will have to be reconciled before any budget can be sent to the White House.
[Cuomo:] A massive explosion here in New York City. Two buildings burst into an inferno. Both collapsed, two other row buildings severely damaged. Good Samaritans went into action, helping people escape after the blast. We have video showing a woman's dramatic rescue from a fire escape. You're looking at it right there. Nineteen people injured, four still critically. New York City's mayor says the cause, a gas leak. Now it seems random, but almost exactly the same thing happened in Harlem just over a year ago.
[Pereira:] So frightening for somebody who's not accustomed to living in a city when those buildings are so close together. That was a concern, that the other buildings would be affected. They had to evacuate several.
[Cuomo:] Common problem in the city. That architecture is old down there. There's been a lot of renovation. I went down there, and I'll tell you, you could feel the heat.
[Pereira:] For blocks, right?
[Cuomo:] From blocks away. But, you know, something not unique to you in New York, but special here. People flew to that scene instead of flying away. Seeing if there was anyone: throw out of the window. Let us catch. They got that woman down. There was like ten people on the ground.
[Pereira:] It's amazing nobody was killed.
[Camerota:] That's so great. I love the good Samaritan stories.
[Pereira:] A little good stuff early on in the show.
[Camerota:] I like that. It's really nice. So please stay with CNN for continuing coverage of the French Alps crash investigation, including a closer look at how airlines manage their flight crews, should pilots undergo routine psychological screenings? We'll discuss that.
[Cuomo:] And here's a question. Was the cure worse than the disease? Did security changes after 911 make this mass murder of Flight 9525 possible? We'll take a look at why.

[Blitzer:] The Obama administration says the threat of military strikes against Syria has to remain an option. Syria's president wants the U.S. to call off the threat before he gives up his chemical weapons. Andrew Bacevich is a 23-year-old Army veteran who says military action against Syria is a bad idea. He's now a professor at Boston University. His latest book is just out and entitled "Breach of Trust: How Americans Failed Their Soldiers and Their Country." He's joining us right now. Professor, thanks very much for coming inning
[Andrew Bacevich, Professor, Boston University, Army Veteran & Author:] Thanks very much for having me on the program.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about the president of the United States. He made a powerful moral argument for potentially launching air strikes against targets in Syria to stop their using chemical weapons against their own people. You think that will threat alone, military threat should not be on table. Is that right?
[Bacevich:] Well, we should talk about the moral issues. I think we need to begin with a discussion of what's in U.S. interests. And there, I'd want to put Syria in a broader context. When you think about it, going back 30 years, we have used U.S. forces in any number of countries in the Middle East. We've occupied, we've invaded, we've bombed. We've come in on humanitarian purposes, all with an expectation that U.S. military actions ultimately will lead to a more stable, perhaps more democratic region. Well, it hasn't worked. And so why we would think that opening up a new front in this military effort in Syria would produce a different outcome just strikes me as absurd. Now, if you want to make the moral argument, then we have to say what are the actions which can practically and effectively redress the suffering of the Syrian people? And there I have to say I don't understand why waging war is the best way to render assistance. There are any number of people in refugee camps living in squalor. Why don't we focus our attention on actually helping people who need to be helped rather than attacking Damascus?
[Blitzer:] So what would you say to the president's argument and the secretary of state's argument that at least this military threat has convinced, played a significant role in convincing the Syrians and the Russians to give up potentially give up Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles?
[Bacevich:] Well, I have to say I'd say let's give it a little bit of time. You know, the pace with which this story is unfolding is very striking. And as a historian of American diplomacy I really have concluded that diplomacy works best when there's a serious foundation been laid. What we going on with Secretary Kerry is we're making it up as we go along. The latest is rather than just trying to get rid of the chemical weapons, why don't we have a peace conference. There's no foundation that's being laid. There's no consultation with allies. And so I'm actually quite skeptical that the outcome of this process will lead to anything other than probably giving Assad time, time to move weapons, time to continue prosecuting his war against the militants.
[Blitzer:] Your new book, entitled "Breach of Trust," but the subtitle is "How Americans Failed Their Soldiers and Their Country." Professor, in a nutshell, because we don't have a lot of time, tell us how Americans failed their soldiers and their country.
[Bacevich:] Well, the subject of the book is the relationship between the military and society. And on the surface, that relationship is one that's warm and affectionate. We all support the troops, as we like to say. My argument is that there's a considerable degree of posturing and fraudulence in that notion, that we don't really support the troops because we're not engaged with the troops. We've allowed Washington, the state, to claim control of this military of ours that we're so proud of. And if you look at what we've been doing with that military over the past decade or more, they've been subjecting our troops to great abuse. And as people, we let it happen. In a nutshell, that's the failure.
[Blitzer:] And the book is entitled "Breach of Trust: How Americans Failed Their Soldiers and Their Country." The author, Andrew Bacevich, professor from Boston University. Professor, thanks very much for joining us.
[Bacevich:] Thank you for having me on the program.
[Blitzer:] So we just heard, from Professor Bacevich, one side of the argument. He opposes military intervention. Coming up, we'll hear a different perspective, of Florida Senator Bill Nelson. He says the U.S. needs to keep that military option open. He's standing by live. We'll discuss when we come back.

[Bolduan:] Apparently so.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] My theme song for life.
[Bolduan:] More on that story the next hour. Welcome back to NEW DAY. So are they still a couple or not? Chris, that is a question you need to ponder. An Irish paper reports that Rory McIlroy and his professional tennis playing girlfriend have called it quits.
[Cuomo:] What?
[Bolduan:] Maybe over this Twitter photograph. It tells a very different story. CNN entertainment correspondent Nischelle Turner is here with more.
[Turner:] First of all, that Twitter picture is not cute.
[Pereira:] It is cute.
[Bolduan:] Grounds for a breakup?
[Turner:] No. She says, first of all, what are you talking about? They're giving each other the business there. It is a funny picture. I look crazy when I'm asleep, too, but Carolyn says we're not broken up. What are you talking about? I think we have to go with her on this you, guys, because we heard directly from her that they are still together, right? But what we're hearing with them breaking up was from a tabloid newspaper from an unnamed source. So you already know we should have been given already for that one, but this paper said that because of this Twitter picture. He hated it. So he decided to break up with her and she was totally devastated. When you don't have any names attached to anything, you have to say what's going on?
[Pereira:] How long have they been together, first of all?
[Turner:] They have been together for two years and that's the thing, they actually give each other the business on Twitter a lot. They joke around. We were talking earlier this is kind of touching on a bigger issue because they're two big name, power couple, sports star that have been together. Chris, you were talking about, look, they're so young. They may break up at some point, 22, 23 years old. But the talk has also been, you know, both of their careers haven't been the greatest since they've been together. So, what's going to happen? Everything they do, everybody watches because they want to know what's going to happen.
[Bolduan:] Rory, know this. We all look like that when we're sleeping so have no fear. We're all with you.
[Pereira:] A little drool, sometimes a little crust right here.
[Bolduan:] All right. Thanks, Nischelle.
[Turner:] Love me, flaws and all.
[Bolduan:] We take you how we get you.
[Cuomo:] His mouth being open like that speaks to a sinus condition just saying.
[Bolduan:] Chris is the expert on sinus conditions.
[Cuomo:] Get that addressed. Coming up on NEW DAY, is the progress on a debt ceiling deal as tremendous as Harry Reid says? Short term, doesn't seem the House is crazy about it, is this really progress? We're going to talk to two senators who are in the trenches, trying to put this deal together.

[Baldwin:] I love this next story, the highlight of my day, other than this race today. My next guest is an American hero, Meb Keflezighi, became the first American man to win the Boston marathon in more than 30 years. This is event was past April when he crossed the finish line. It was an incredibly proud moment for the city of Boston looking to shake off the shadows from last year's marathon bombing there in Boyles Street. So today, my news, this was me as I am running, you know, a little selfie while you are running at 10k with my pal Allison. And here we were at the starting line, rocking the red, white and blue tutus. Technically, I finished the peach tree road race, 6.2 miles, ahead of the man sitting next to me. Because he hadn't even started running the race. Let's be real. He's a little bit faster than I am. And he started way behind me. He tough started in last place behind some 60,000 other runners. Meb Keflezighi joins me now. His book is "run to overcome." It is such an honor to sit here with you, just after being in Boston and knowing about you. So, Mr. Boston marathon and New York marathon and Olympian, what was it like running and seeing the backs of runners' heads for the first time?
[Meb Keflezighi, 2014 Boston Marathon:] It was a great honor to be on the peach tree road race and I started last, ten minutes after everybody left and I was doing it for charity. So it was just a great cause. I was able to it was kind of quiet and got louder and louder and more crowded and crowded. So chasing people, dodging people.
[Baldwin:] How did people react to you? It's a crowded race. Were you zigzagging?
[Keflezighi:] Well, a lot of zigzagging and a lot of piles and a lot of agility movement, and a lot of touching because coming through, coming through. So I have four guys or six guys helping me out, and Meb is coming. He is coming.
[Baldwin:] So you had some people clearing the way.
[Keflezighi:] I did, yes. It helped a lot. And we met our goals. My goal was to pass 22,500.
[Baldwin:] You did?
[Keflezighi:] I did pass 22,780.
[Baldwin:] Tell me why you did it. Tell me about kilometer kids.
[Keflezighi:] Well, kilometer kids, it's by the Atlanta track club, and it was just basically for youth fitness to give back to them, make them more responsible, committed, and how to work persistence and time management. So to be able to just have them be fit and have it. So it was great. And you can learn more about it, chase for charity chase for kids.org.
[Baldwin:] Charitychaseforkids.com.
[Keflezighi:] And you can donate at Atlantatrackclub.org also.
[Baldwin:] Can we just talk about your story for a moment. I mean, I remember talking to a Boston globe columnist about the day you won Boston this April. And I mean, he was saying to me, Kevin Colon, was like this is truly the American story. Your parents come over to escape the war from
[Keflezighi:] Used to speak Italian, yes.
[Baldwin:] So you're speaking Italian. And you end up going to UCLA, and look at everything you've accomplished now. And your parents did I read they put ten kids through college?
[Keflezighi:] Correct. You know, I mentioned earlier, I run more details about how we came here, 1987, without knowing the language, the clothe on our back, grew up on welfare and we made something. And all my brothers and sisters have accomplished higher education. I just get notoriety because of my running.
[Baldwin:] Well, you're kind of fast.
[Keflezighi:] Kind of fast but we have an engineer, doctor, MBA, Stanford graduate and Berkeley graduate and list goes on and on. And just fell, my parents gave us this opportunity to sacrifice their lives and they want us to use that opportunity. And we used to wake up at 4:30 a.m. to learn the language word, by word and hard work paid off. And we are so proud of that.
[Baldwin:] You pulled it off. Incredibly, may I say. Truly, like I said, an honor. And the last 30 seconds I have with you, what advice do you have for people, just from your own life story, from your running? For kids? What do you want people to know?
[Keflezighi:] I would say run to win doesn't mean getting the first place but getting the best out of yourself whether who that talented is. And if you do that, you are going to see a doing the best you can and push your passion and have fun in the process.
[Baldwin:] I love it. Meb, so nice to meet you.
[Keflezighi:] Thanks for having me.
[Baldwin:] I mean, I beat you today, after all.
[Keflezighi:] You did beat me today.
[Baldwin:] Thank you, appreciate it. Happy 4th of July.
[Keflezighi:] Happy 4th.
[Baldwin:] Now this.

[Whitfield:] All right, millions of people jamming the airports and highways at the same time. Well, that's exactly what might happen tomorrow as the Thanksgiving holiday winds down. We want to help you get through it all. So joining me right now from New York is Mark Murphy. He's the author of "Travel Unscripted" and founder of TravelPulse.com. Good to see you. Happy holiday weekend.
[Mark Murphy, Author, "travel Unscripted":] You, too.
[Whitfield:] All right, so you have tips for us. And the first is leave after morning rush hour on Monday.
[Murphy:] Yes. You know what, I don't understand why people want to drive back on Sunday night. I don't get it, because you're going to be stuck in traffic. I used to travel between New York and New Jersey and it could take five hours to get back from my folks' house. I just skipped it and came into late work on Monday, and the bosses be, you know what.
[Whitfield:] Good advice for next year, plan on taking that Monday off.
[Murphy:] Definitely.
[Whitfield:] If you are flying, here's some advice you give. See if you can change your flight to the first or second one leaving of the day because there are bound to be delays.
[Murphy:] Yes. So first off, when you go to book your flight, book the first flight out in the morning. It's always a great rule of thumb especially on holiday weekends. Secondly, if you're already booked for a later flight, check the flights with the airlines and see if any seats are open. And then go stand by if there are open seats for that first flight. But remember, standby is on a first come, first serve basis. You may stand around at the airport all day as well.
[Whitfield:] Oh, gosh, that's the worst. And there wouldn't be a change fee when you do that?
[Murphy:] Yes, and that's the key no change fee. No human standby fee in most airlines, and no difference if fares. So you get the benefit of getting out early. Hopefully you'll get a seat, but as you saw from your earlier segment, 85 percent of the seats are filled, almost 100 percent this weekend, so your chances are slim to none.
[Whitfield:] All right, and then some airports are destinations in and of it themselves because there's shopping and there are things to do. And so you say give yourself a little extra time to enjoy that. How?
[Murphy:] Well, you know what, let's face it, the airlines and airports, do they collude here to come up with a way to keep us happy when we're delayed? Possibly. They have literally like little shopping malls and some high-end shops, great restaurants these days. It depends on the airport. And literary you can get there a little bit early, kickback, have low stress, and maybe do a little cyber airport shopping if you would this Sunday.
[Whitfield:] All right. And if your flight is canceled or delayed, heaven forbid, you say there is actually an app that might be a able to increase your chances of get a refund. What?
[Murphy:] All right, so here's the catch. It's a little known European Union law that says if your flights are delayed or canceled, you could be entitled to compensation depending on the delay and the price of your ticket and a few other factors up to 600 euros, and that's only for flights originating out of a European Union country or within those countries. So if you're flying on a domestic U.S. carrier that's coming from Frankfurt and it's delayed, you are entitled to compensation based on that EU law.
[Whitfield:] Oh, my gosh, that's really good, because oftentimes delays, cancellations usually weather related, and the airline is quick to tell you, sorry, if it's weather related, you're getting nothing out of us.
[Murphy:] All right, so here's the number. A year ago, $1 billion worth of claims could have been made by U.S. travelers based on that existing law.
[Whitfield:] OK, I'm going to remember that app. Mark Murphy, thanks so much. I love that holiday advice. Good to see.
[Murphy:] You, too.
[Whitfield:] And this holiday weekend some places in the nation are going to warm up a little bit, but for how long? Meteorologist Jennifer Gray joins us with that. Jennifer?
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Fred, over the next couple of days people will be traveling back after Thanksgiving holiday. And the conditions are actually pretty nice. We do have high pressure in the southeast, warmer temperatures making their way into the mid-Atlantic and the northeast ahead of the next cold front. Cold air, however, will stay in place across the northern plains in the Midwest. A little bit of rain expected in the south on Monday, but Saturday and Sunday looking good across the south. Cold temperatures, like we said, teens and single digits Sunday and Monday in Minneapolis, unfortunately, even cold in Chicago. We warm up to the mid-40s though before the cool-down. In Atlanta, look at this. Temperatures close to 70 degrees. By Sunday and Monday, even Dallas, mid-70s today and tomorrow. New York City even warms up into the 50s before you drop down into the 30s by midweek. Another big story, the rain in the west. California could see rain in a big way, some areas six inches or more. So good news for state. Even Oregon picking up on some of that. And snow pushing into the Rockies over the next couple of days as well. We're looking at snowfall totals. Up to a foot or more possibly. Jackson Hole. We're also looking at rain, two to four inches across much of northern California, up to six in isolated locations. Southern portion of the state, not quite as much. But if you are traveling back on Sunday, aside from California and the west coast, the rest of the country, travel should be great. We're looking at quiet conditions. We're seeing maybe a few showers as we work our way to the east. But sunshine across D.C., New York, a little bit of snow possible in Detroit. Fred?
[Whitfield:] Not bad at all. Thanks so much, Jennifer, appreciate it. All right, now our weekly look into the future. Today we go to the bank that is now in your hands. Here's Richard Quest.
[Richard Quest, Cnn Correspondent:] There was a time when handling your money meant popping down to your local branch to do a bit of banking. Today much of that bank fits into the palm of our hands. The future of banking might take us back into our local branches as traditional banks look for ways to make their physical space as enticing as the virtual one.
[Eve Callahan, Senior Vice President, Corporate Communications, Umpqua Bank:] The branch model is outdated and not relevant any longer. We are look to go create a different kind of bank, one that offers all the products and services of a large bank but delivers them with real community engagement and the service of a great retailer or hospitality company.
[Quest:] Oregon-based Umpqua Bank has adopted what they call store concept with their 364 branches. It's modeled after retailers like the Gap and the Apple store. The goal is to attract customers with a more comfortable, a more welcoming experience.
[Callahan:] We still do our banking online. But we come here because of the community, because of meeting the people that we see when we come here.
[Quest:] And that's the key. Bankers rely heavily on face-to-face relationships to offer financial products and services. So they are offering new enticements to lure Internet and mobile customers back into the branch. Banks like Barclays, Chase, and Citibank have all created these new branches with that very thought in mind, trying to capture the new banking consumer.

[Blitzer:] Very bold and very risky. The United States carried out twin special operations raids against high value targets in Africa this weekend. One team grabbed a key al Qaeda suspect in Libya, the other failed to snatch an al Shabaab leader in Somalia. Let's bring in our chief national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto. He's got the very latest. Bold, indeed, and very risky.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] No question. Both these attacks show the administration's new focus on terror threats emanating in particular from Africa. The Libya raid connected to an attack that took place there years ago, the 1998 embassy bombings. The Somalia raid, however, more forward-looking, driven by U.S. concerns about al Shabaab's growing focus on attacks abroad, including targeting U.S. interests in the region with sophisticated attacks like the one we saw in Nairobi.
[Sciutto:] The Westgate Mall attack in Nairobi, Kenya, left dozens dead, a luxury mall destroyed, and a country terrorized. It is attacks like this, bold, sophisticated, and beyond Somalia's borders that helped lead the U.S. to target al Shabaab on its home territory. It was a daring operation. Late Friday night, SEAL Team Six, the same team that killed Osama Bin Laden, launched from a commercial ship towards shore, aiming to capture the al Shabaab leader known as Ikrima. Met by a hail of gunfire at a shoreside villa, the SEAL team withdrew without their men. Just hours later and 3,000 miles away in Libya, another daring operation, this one in broad daylight in downtown Tripoli. The target, Abu Anas al-Libi, picked up by members of the elite U.S. delta force. His family said they surrounded his car, many in masks, and rushed al-Libi away as his wife watched in terror from a window. She spoke exclusively with
[Cnn. Unidentified Female:] Everything happened rapidly. They grabbed him and shoved him in the car. I saw them doing this and saying get in, but wasn't sure that was my husband. The cars then sped off like a rocket.
[Sciutto:] Al-Libi, a senior al Qaeda operative wanted for the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa, is now on a U.S. navy ship in the Mediterranean. Ikrima, the target of the Somalia raid, remains at large. The operations show America's increasing focus on the growing terror threat emanating from Africa. In Mali and Algeria, al Qaeda and the Islamic Maghreb, in Nigeria, Boko haram, al Shabaab in Somalia, and just across the gulf of Yemen, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Unlike in Iraq and Afghanistan, now the U.S. is relying on smaller, swifter operations. James Liddy is a former Navy SEAL commander. CMDR. JAMES LIDDY,
[Former Navy Seal:] The United States is showing once again that it's not going to let terrorists dictate the war on terror. A surgical strike makes a lot of sense to try to minimize the casualties that would ensue if you had a larger footprint or bigger operation.
[Sciutto:] Still, these two raids show the difficulty of that strategy. One team gets its man, the other does not. Both in high risk operations. That said, a U.S. official told me today emphatically the U.S. does not see the Somalia operation as a failure, rather Wolf, he told me it shows that we can, quote, "knock on their door" anywhere in the world. It showed that we can get eyes on them and guns on them very quickly.
[Blitzer:] It also shows a lot about this president, President Obama. He had to authorize both of these raids at the presidential level, and it basically says to terrorists out there, it may be 15 years, 15 years since the U.S. embassy in Tanzania and Kenya were destroyed and a lot of people were killed, but the U.S. is going to come and get you, so just be aware of that. It sends a powerful message of where this president is coming from.
[Sciutto:] No question. Bin Laden caught ten years after 911. But these are very risky operations, too. They'll put boots on the ground, maybe not tens of thousands, but a SEAL Team Six with life and limb at risk.
[Blitzer:] And I think he also is trying to send a message to Ayman al- Zawahiri, the new leader of al qaeda, used to be the number two under Bin Laden and others, especially those terrorists who killed the U.S. ambassador, Chris Stevens, in Benghazi and three other Americans. The U.S. is going to be patient, the U.S. is watching. Just be ready, be nervous the rest of your life, because the U.S. is not going to forget and there's going to be an order to either capture or kill. I assume that was part of the thinking on U.S. officials.
[Sciutto:] Absolutely. To send a very powerful message. And that's what they're saying now. They got one man. They didn't get the other, but they've been successful in sending that message.
[Blitzer:] Yes. As soon as I heard that the president authorized these two missions, especially to get al-Libi 15 years after that, I thought this president was out channeling in Golda Meir after the Munich Olympic massacre. She called in all of her security commanders and said, whatever it takes, no matter how long, you will find and either capture or kill those responsible for killing those Israeli athletes. The movie, you know, "Munich," was a result, depicted all of that. I immediately said to myself well, this president has got that Golda Meir instinct in him as well.
[Sciutto:] Lots of movie material here, too.
[Blitzer:] Yes. I think you're right. All right. Thanks very much, Jim Sciutto reporting. Coming up, some say it's a fiscal doomsday scenario. We're taking a closer look at what really happens if the government defaults on the debt in the coming days. And we also have two lawmakers here, they're getting ready to debate, a democrat and a Republican. Our debate with them and more coming up.

[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Anchor:] All right, well, thanks very much to our Martin Savidge and Mitchell Casado inside of that 777 exploring all of the possibilities that could have happened right inside of a real cockpit. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jim Sciutto in New York today for Don Lemon. And we would like to welcome viewers watching around the world this hour on CNN international. We are following the latest developments in the search for Malaysian airlines flight 370. We are also following this important story, confrontation in Crimea, Russian, armored vehicles crash the gates and take over a Ukrainian military base. Gun fire has erupted. But first, any minute now the invigorated search for missing Malaysia flight 370 will begin as the sun rises over the Indian Ocean. Crews will fly from Perth Australia armed with several new clues in the aviation mystery that have befuddled the world for 16 days now. New clues could be a big break. A spotter on an Australian plane reported seeing several small objects yesterday, including a wooding pallet floating in that same search area. And there is this, I want to show you this image, a potential piece of that missing jumbo jet. A Chinese satellite spotted this object floating in the search area Tuesday. The object appears to be very large, 74 feet long by 43 feet wide. And this new object was spotted roughly possibly 75 miles from possible debris that appeared earlier on Australian satellite images seen here. Meanwhile, the families of the missing 239 people on board are frazzled, they are exhausted, frustrated and demanding more from the Malaysian authorities.
[Sciutto:] And responding to that kind of anger, Malaysian officials promised the do more for those desperate families trapped in a heartbreaking wait for answers, waiting in agony now for more than two weeks. And we can't forget the search for the missing plane on land. Right now, the Malaysian authorities are waiting for permission from Kazakhstan government to use the country as staging area for a search of the northern corridor. We have teams of reports covering every angle of the global hunt for the missing jet in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, in Beijing and Perth, Australia. We are going to get you the very latest. And here is the very latest we gave from the ground. CNN's Kyung Lah is live in Perth, Australia. We can see the sun just coming up behind her there. It is morning there. The sun rises. This is the key hour when those jets can return to sky. What kind of assets are going to be up there today over that area where the Chinese satellite picked up this possible debris?
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Jim, we are on the cost of daybreak, and it is just now that we are anticipating that those turbo jets or the military planes should be charging up and just launching what will be the fourth day searching off of Australia, heading down about four hours southwest of where I'm standing. And what we are expecting regarding those assets that you are talking about. We are going to have more assets in the air according to the Australian government. Two planes from China, two which one of which we saw landing yesterday at Perth international airport arriving from China, and that will joining the Australian hunt as well as the New Zealand planes, and the civilian planes. On those civilian planes are spotters who are trained with the naked eye to scan the sea to see if there is any debris. So what they are going to be doing is trying to whittle down the search area, check out the seas, try to figure out if the debris that has been spotted is in fact connected to the missing plane Jim.
[Sciutto:] Kyung, I want to ask you. I have this curiosity. I'm sure some of our viewers have the same. When you look at the image, the Australian images from a couple days ago and this Chinese image today, as similar sized object. There are 75 miles apart but the currents are swirling down there. Is it the working assumption of the searchers that they are looking for the same thing spotted in the two different photographs?
[Lah:] Well, it is a possible. Certainly, they don't know. But they have the work on the fact that this is another clue. And it is these clues and the best possible lead that we have had since this jetliner simply vanished. It is yet another clue. And so what the search teams are trying to do is to chase this clue as aggressively as possible. If you talk to the people going up into the air, you sense the same thing that they keep saying even though they return without having found anything, they are driven by this desire and hope that they can give the families some answers, because right now, they don't have anything and they want to give that to them.
[Sciutto:] And now they have their own mission patch for the search for flight 370, and all of the folks taking part from so many countries. Thanks very much to Kyung Lah, joining us from Perth, Australia. And joining me now to discuss this developments, we have Les Abend, CNN aviation analyst himself, a 777 pilot, Tom Fuentes, CNN law enforcement analyst, former FBI assistant director and Steve Wallace, CNN aviation analyst, FAA investigator. So we have a number of folks here who have been investigating just these kinds of events. Steve, if I could start with you. So search planes returning to the sky now just a few minutes. How can they make the best use of the daylight hours because the other challenge they have, it takes them four hours most of these aircraft to get to the point, the search area. They only have a couple hours on site and they got to turn around to come back. How do may make the best time there so they maximize their chances of seeing something?
[Steven Wallace, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, just note at the outset that, you know, we are 12 times under way approximately, and this is the time of the year when the days are of equal length in northern southern hemisphere. So basically, you know, if it is daylight in New York, it is dark there, and vice versa. So I would assume they might take off in the predawn darkness and get there when the light first becomes available. You know, they just have to zero in, I mean, we have all looked at those images, a lot of us as Captain Abend there has said looks too big to be a typical floating piece of structure. I think it is simple as getting a closer look. You know, now if it is airplane were run so that all of the fuel was out, I might be a little more inclined to accept the possibility that it could be the wing of the airplane which would be buoyant and the engine might shear off so possibly could be a floating wing.
[Sciutto:] Steve brings, Les, if I could bring you in, a fair question there. A plane hitting water at speed is like hitting concrete. And a lot of the pilots have said difficult to imagine a piece that large. There are the possibility collection of pieces, right? You know, it is tangle up in wire from the plane, this sort of thing. When you look at those images, do you look at them and say, it is possible that it is part of the plane?
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Absolutely it is possible. It depends upon what angle, you know, the airplane hit the water and how fast the speed. The interesting thing is that if indeed it is a wing, that fragment, you can start the accident investigation process by just looking at the fragment where it came off of the fuselage of the airplane and how fast it hit the water, so.
[Sciutto:] And also looking for the other signs and soot, for instance, signs of an explosion, you can test for residue.
[Abend:] Absolutely.
[Sciutto:] But you have made the point before the longer these pieces are in the salt water, you know, the degradation of the evidence in effect.
[Abend:] Yes, of course.
[Sciutto:] Tom, I wonder if I could bring you in, Tom, You know, your experience as the assistant FBI director in a number of investigations. There is a lot of frustration with this investigation from the beginning. First of all, looking in the wrong place, right, for a long period of time, but also sharing of intelligence, satellite photos, radar, tracking information, and that kind of thing. Do you get a sense that the sharing, that the organization, the leadership is getting better in the hunt for this plane?
[Thomas Fuentes, Cnn Contributor:] Jim, you know, I sure hope so. But every aspect that you mentioned was really the sharing and coordination between the aviation services, their military, their civil aviation authorities and the technicians looking at the radar data and the satellite data. That is a different matter than the level of law enforcement cooperation that started day one, and has working on this case all along with the FBI, the permanent office that is in Kuala Lumpur. The agents invited immediately into the command post the very night that the plane disappeared. So that coordination and cooperation has been ongoing and very, very good. It is just the confusion that is really the result of whether it was mechanical failure or pilot or hijacking or the plane flew, you know, thousands of miles or destructed, all of that is the technical part of the condition of the aircraft and where it may have gone.
[Sciutto:] I'd like to since we have the international viewers joining us now, just invite you the tweet questions to me @Jimsciutto. We have a number of opportunities over the next couple of hours to discuss these questions, so please do send them our way. But before we finish this segment, Les, if I could come back to you. The world is now focusing on the South Indian Ocean. That is where most of the resources are, but they have not given up on the northern corridor that goes over land. You made the point that it is important to keep the focus on the possibility that this plane ended up on the ground? Why is that?
[Abend:] Absolutely. Just by virtue of the emergency locator transmitters not sending out a signal which they don on very strict
[Sciutto:] All right. And we did know that Malaysian authorities today have asked Kazakhstan to look as well. So they haven't given up on that northern corridor, although the bulk of the assets are now down in the South Indian Ocean. Thanks very much. Les Abend, Tom Fuentes, Steve Wallace, thanks for joining us. I know we will come back to you. Besides playing debris, investigators are looking for a certain sound to help them find the flight 370. Up next, we will explain why that sound is so important and why investigators need to find it as soon as possible.

[Jessica Yellin, Cnn Correspondent/anchor:] "OUTFRONT" next, at this moment the White House is briefing lawmakers on Capitol Hill about the latest intelligence on Syria. Is this country headed for war? And the Obama administration says it will not interfere with the state laws that legalize marijuana. Is this a step toward legalizing weed nationwide? Plus, a major development in a story we have been following. A Montana teacher sentenced to only 30 days in prison for raping his teenage student. Will there be an appeal? Let's go "OUTFRONT." I'm Jessica Yellin in for Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight breaking news, a senior U.S. official tells CNN's Jim Acosta that the U.S. could go it alone in Syria after our closest ally votes against taking action. British lawmakers just voted down a proposal to strike Syria. Britain's prime minister says he will not go against parliament. Here at home right now, top lawmakers are being briefed by the White House. The president's top national security officials are making their case against the Syrian regime. Will the administration be able to win enough support? Our chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash is in Washington. Hi, Dana. I know you have been working your sources all day. It looks from here like the mood in Washington really seems to reflect the mood around the country right now on Syria, it's conflicted. So, what are you learning right now?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] That's right. Hi, Jess. I should tell you that the conference call should be wrapping up right about now and I'm hoping to get a read on what these top lawmakers were told and whether their questions were answered. But, yes, you're right, the mood among members of Congress I would say is beyond ambivalence, it's really frustration. A 150-plus lawmakers are demanding that the president come to Congress for authorization before any military action. Now that's a big partisanship group, but it's a lot of anti-war and anti- interventionist members of Congress who are reluctant to engage militarily no matter what the cost or interest. The problem, Jessica, for the administration is even some lawmakers who I've spoken with who are natural allies with the Obama administration at holding Syria accountable are having trouble supporting him because they feel that the administration simply isn't making enough of a case publicly or privately for what the intelligence shows on chemical weapons and what the military objective would be.
[Yellin:] Well, one of the administration's closest allies, Britain, just voted down military action, I'm curious what you think if Congress were to come back now and take a similar vote, do you think the same thing would happen?
[Bash:] Yes. Absolutely, I do. And it's not just my analysis, it's also top lawmakers who I've talked to and that's one of the reasons why Congress isn't coming back. They are on recess. It will be for a little short of two weeks. And, you know, you've heard some lawmakers saying we should come back, we should take an authorization vote. But do you know what, what happened in the House of Commons tonight is almost exactly what would likely happen in Congress, too. It would embarrass the president if Congress voted to authorize military force and it was defeated and it would hurt the U.S. on the world stage. And as you heard Jim Acosta and others reporting, the fact is that given what happened in Great Britain, the U.S. is likely going to have to go it alone if they do go ahead in the next few days and doing that without the backing of Congress, which means without the backing officially of the American people, would be disastrous for the president.
[Yellin:] It's such a tough situation in Washington right now. Dana, keep up the great reporting. Thank you.
[Bash:] Thanks, Jess.
[Yellin:] OUTFRONT tonight, a top Democrat in the House, Congressman Chris Van Hollen joins us. Congressman, thank you for being with us. I want to pick it up where Dana left off. If Congress were asked to come back and take a vote authorizing the use of military force, do you think they would vote yes?
[Rep. Chris Van Hollen , Maryland:] I'm not sure I agree with Dana on that. I think it depends on the specific resolution that's been put before the Congress. Many members of Congress who said they wanted to come back and vote on this issue have said they might support the president depending on the specific request, how narrow it was. So, I think that's an open question. But it may be
[Yellin:] So why doesn't the president call the members back and get that authorization for use of force? There's no reason not to if he has the votes.
[Hollen:] Well, as you know, Jessica, the president's position is that if the military action that is taken is very limited in scope and time, the president as commander in chief has the ability to do that. Certainly if the president was going to engage, you know, full-scale war, he needs an authorization, a vote from Congress. But there are many precedents for the administration, for the president, to be able to act in limited ways without authorization. If the Congress really wants to come back, the speaker of the House, John Boehner, can call the Congress back into session. He doesn't need the president to do that. And given the fact the president says that he's able under the constitution to take very limited military action, without congressional authorization, it would really be incumbent on the speaker to call back the Congress if he wanted to take that action.
[Yellin:] OK, this will be an open question that will be debated for some time. I want to move on to your op-ed which you wrote for cnn.com today, you called it "on Syria learn from U.S. mistakes in Iraq." In this article you said Iraq taught us three lessons, the first lesson, these are your words, quote, "the president must present the American people and the international community with clear evidence that the Al Assad regime was responsible for the use of chemical weapons." Today at the White House they were asked if the president if they will present more than circumstance shall evidence that Assad ordered this attack, and the White House gave the response that, quote, "we have already seen a preponderance of public evidence showing that Assad carried out these attacks." A preponderance of public evidence, are you persuaded that there is no question Assad was responsible?
[Hollen:] No, Jessica, and I think the administration will have to come forward with additional evidence. My understanding is that there is additional evidence and I think it's very important that they come forward and make a clear and convincing case that Assad was responsible for the U.S. of chemical weapons. I think the circumstantial evidence clearly points in that direction, but I think that they should release additional information that they've got. After all, one of the legacies of the Iraq war was that we went to war based on the false claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. That turned out not to be true, so I think it's really important for our credibility in the international community and with the American public to come forward with additional evidence.
[Yellin:] Our closest ally, Britain, seems pretty unsure today, as you know, not long ago the British parliament voted against military action. So, you've said both the American people and the international community must be convinced. Is this worth doing in your view without the backing of the international community?
[Hollen:] Jessica, I think the president was absolutely right to establish the red line he did. If Saddam Hussein is shown to have used chemical weapons, it's a gross violation of international conventions against the use of poison gas. The United States and the international community have an interest in deterring that activity in the future, both from Saddam Hussein and others who may contemplate that use in future conflicts. So, I think it's important that we take this action. Obviously it's better if we take the action collectively, but I think the president was right to lay down this marker.
[Yellin:] So go it alone is OK?
[Hollen:] It's OK as long as and, again, as I mentioned in that piece, the action has to have a very limited purpose, and the purpose is to deter future use of chemical weapons. There are lots of people who have argued that they want to use this as an excuse or an opportunity to expand dramatically U.S. participation in the war in Syria, to try and change the balance of power. That's an unrealistic goal and would certainly set us up only to be dragged further and further into this conflict.
[Yellin:] OK, Congressman, we have some breaking news. I want to get to it for a moment and we can ask you to react to it. CNN has just gotten some new details on the Obama administration's intelligence assessment of Syria. CNN's own Elise Labott joins us from Washington. Elise, what have you learned?
[Elise Labott, Cnn Foreign Affairs Reporter:] Well, Jessica, as congressmen are being briefed on this intelligence assessment, some of the details are leaking out. We've already told you that the administration has intercepts between Syrian officials before and after the attack getting a little bit more detail now. We understand that we have the U.S. has an intercept of senior regime officials making preparations for a massive chemical attack in the area. One senior official telling me there's even more of a body of evidence before the attack, tying it to the regime. Immediately after some of these regime officials, top officials, we're hearing, were talking about the attack, concerned about the blowback and the massive attention it was already getting, the amount of casualties, and discussing about that it might be wise to lay low for a while and not use such massive attacks in the near future. And then also immediately after the attack, the U.S. says, according to officials, increased shelling in the area. We've heard about this, but apparently this intel assessment will show intelligence, increased shelling in the area as the regime tried to clean it up. Even as in Britain they're talking that the U.S. and others don't have a strong case, the U.S. says it's undeniable that the regime is involved and they have the intelligence to prove it.
[Yellin:] Elise, great reporting. Thank you for bringing us that and continue to bring us more news as you get it. Elise Labott reporting that the administration has been sharing with senior U.S. officials more details about the chemical attacks that they say are justifying a potential action in Syria. Congressman Van Hollen, if you're still with us and able to hear that, to you does that sound like the kind of evidence that is more persuasive and is convincing that would warrant a U.S. strike on Syria?
[Hollen:] Yes, it does, Jessica. That's exactly the kind of additional evidence that I was talking about. Obviously I'd want to see these reports and look at the details. But if that's true, what it demonstrates is clear signals intelligence, information that directly links the use of chemical weapons here to the Assad regime. And I think it's important that if that administration if the administration has that information that it be made available not only to members of Congress, but to the public.
[Yellin:] All right, well, we'll continue to ask these questions of you. Congressman Van Hollen, thank you so much for joining us.
[Hollen:] Thank you.
[Yellin:] And of other members of Congress including some in the opposite party, the Republican Party and some more skeptics who are still questioning whether this course of action is the right one to pursue. Still to come, the Obama administration's policy on a different controversial issue. And on a lighter note, on marijuana, their policy there? It's getting hazy. Is their policy on Mary Jane about to be legal nationwide? Plus, some new details about how the United States tracked Osama Bin Laden leading up to the raid that took his life. And the NFL prepares to pay out millions of dollars to players suffering from head trauma.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Coming to you live today from Jerusalem where we're learning that Hamas militants may let the clock run out on the truce that has less than nine hours left before it's supposed to expire. Meanwhile, President Obama is right now meeting with his senior advisors. Could they be discussing air strikes in a different Middle East crisis? One that the U.S. supposedly left behind fewer than three years ago? ISIS, the Islamist terrorist militia and an al Qaeda offshoot which has burned a path through Iraq, has now taken over the largest Christian town in Iraq and chased as many as 40,000 Iraqis, mostly members of religious minorities into the mountains. If they come down, they face ISIS guns. If they stay, they could die of starvation or dehydration, which is why the Pentagon is now considering emergency relief drops to those stranded Iraqis, according to a U.S. defense official. But a U.S. official always tells CNN that what's happening in Iraq right now, quote, "just might meet the threshold", unquote, for air strikes. Now, obviously, that would jump this up to a whole new level. Maybe that's what the had President Obama so worked up when he was talking to his chief of staff, Denis McDonough, earlier today in Virginia. Lots of big arm movements there. Our Jim Acosta today pressed the White House about potential air strikes.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Are airstrikes on the table?
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] Well, Jim, I'm not in a position to rule things on or off the table in this context. It's important for everyone to understand and the president has made this clear, that there are no American military solutions to the problems in Iraq. The president has at the same time demonstrated his clear willingness to take the kind of military action that's required to to protect core American interests.
[Tapper:] OK. Was that clear for you? Remember, it was fewer than three years ago when President Obama declared Iraq, quote, "sovereign, stable and self-reliant", as the last American combat troops pulled out of the country. Our chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto is in Washington. Jim, this is exactly the kind of situation that could quickly turn into genocide. ISIS is giving these people the ultimatum of convert or be killed. Give us an idea where this is taking place and how much of Iraq ISIS now claims as their own. Give us an idea.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] Well, Jake, I'll tell you, I'm told now that U.S. officials that the administration is considering airstrikes and that is in response to rapidly moving events on the ground. First, the situation with the Yazidis, they trapped here between Mosul and Erbil, surrounded in effect by ISIS forces and they're starving. They're dying of thirst literally and fearing for their lives because of the threat from these ISIS fighters who will kill them. We've seen what they're capable of. They advertise what that he capable of in previous massacres that they've undertaken in northern Iraq. The other thing that concerns administration officials is this the advance of ISIS just in the last month and a half. These are the cities they had presence in or controlled as of June 19th. And this is where they are now. These dots here in purple showing where they've taken over new territory and keep in mind that they also have territory connecting these various cities kind of in a spider web of control. And this is moving very quickly. So, quickly it has alarmed the administration. Now airstrikes, something the president had taken off the table are back on the table.
[Tapper:] Jim, I mean, I have to say, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Syria, the border with Mexico, Russia, Ukraine, this is a dizzying amount of foreign policy nightmares. How is the Obama administration dealing with all these multiple fronts of chaos?
[Sciutto:] It remains to be seen really. This is the issue. I had a briefing with senior intelligence officials today. You know, a few a couple of years ago, we used to talk about the failed state of Somalia, and what a danger that was. You had al Shabaab, an al Qaeda affiliated group there, which has threatened, already carried out attacks in Africa and elsewhere. But in the last couple of years, you now have several failed states in the region. Iraq and Syria, now a home base for ISIS, they declared a caliphate there. Yemen, a home base for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Libya, increasing a failed state. Al-Murabitun, it's a new offshoot, also al Qaeda-tied group. All of these groups in all of these countries have I'm told by senior intelligence officials have their target set on the U.S. now. They haven't been able to carry out those attacks yet, but they have that aspiration. And this is what the administration is facing now, this is what intelligence officials are facing now. Every morning when they wake up, they're getting briefings on the threat emanating from these countries.
[Tapper:] Jim Sciutto, thank you so much. Let's get now to our senior international correspondent Ivan Watson. He joins us live from Erbil, where thousands of Iraqis are on the run, looking for shelter from a slaughter. Ivan, where can they go and how safe are they right now?
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, for now, the Kurdistan regional government, it does control, for instance, the city of Erbil, but part of the panic has come as ISIS has advanced really to within 40 miles of Erbil, the biggest of the cities controlled by the Kurds. What that triggered was an exodus of Iraqi civilians towards the Kurdish region even as Kurdish Peshmerga fighters were having to pull back Wednesday night. It triggered an alarm bells here in Erbil. There was a run on the supermarkets here. Some people leaving Erbil and heading for the hills, and prompting the Kurdistan regional government to issue public messages to try to reassure the population to tell them yes, the Kurdish Peshmerga can defend Kurdish territory. What I saw throughout the day here was just a constant stream of Iraqi civilians walking, piling into the back of trucks, piling into taxis, into buses, any kind of transportation possible and showing up at the gates of this Kurdish stronghold and now they're bedding down in parking lots, in unfinished buildings for the night here and there's no real system to provide food or water to these people. I've seen some ad hoc distribution of water. But the United Nations is warning up to 200,000 people have fled towards Kurdistan area within the last 48 hours. The patriarch in the Chaldean Christian community issuing a warning of 100,000 Chaldean Christians on the run with little more than the clothes on their back. It is really a dire situation right now.
[Tapper:] Ivan Watson in Erbil thank you so much. Coming up next, he's made no attempt to hide his desire to punish the United States and Europe, but is Vladimir Putin going too far this time? Plus, it provoked fury in Israeli. The kidnapping and murder of three teenagers weeks ago. How did that event lead to the war in Gaza? Well, today, I went searching for answers. That's ahead.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Our breaking news, searchers are in the French Alps trying to reach the remote scene of a German airlines crash. Germanwings is a low-cost airline owned by Lufthansa. Its flight from Barcelona in Spain to Dusseldorf in Germany, it went down earlier this morning in the Alps.
[Bolduan:] At least 150 people were onboard. All of them feared dead. Families now in several European nations await word about the fate of their loved ones. French authorities are telling Reuters news agency that it could take days to recover all of the victims because of the rugged terrain that they are up against. Karl Penhaul is in Barcelona where the flight took off; and Jim Bittermann is in Paris. Jim, let's begin with you. What's the latest on the search? What are you hearing from French authorities?
[Jim Bittermann, Cnn Correspondent:] The French interior minister just arrived in the area in the last hour and he took a flight over the crash area and one of the people onboard his helicopter was a French deputy, a member of parliament. He described the crash scene as covering about four acres of area very mountainous terrain. He said it would be very difficult for the searchers to get in there. They'll have to go in by foot. He said that there was no sign of life at the scene at all and he said that the debris was scattered everywhere. He said it was just small pieces of debris. It's going to be also complicated for the searchers because of the weather down there. There's a front moving through in the next few hours and the temperatures, which are right now below freezing, expected to drop even further. There's rain falling. Could turn into snow and that is going to also complicate things and could cover the remains of the people who were killed in the crash as well as for the investigators who would be looking for black boxes it could make the search for the black boxes more difficult as they try to work in this rather hostile sort of terrain.
[Berman:] Of course, that search, so important to those who have family members onboard that flight. We understand most of the passengers were German, Spanish, Turks also onboard. Let's go to Barcelona and the airport there. Karl Penhaul, I imagine there are many family members there asking a lot of questions hoping for any new information.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Absolutely, John. A crisis center has been set up now at Terminal 2 at Barcelona's international airport and as minutes and hours go by, I have seen groups of family members arrive there. The ones I have seen have been Spanish-speaking relatives. They've been hugging one another. Many of them crying as they go through a set of automatic barriers to a private area where that crisis center has been set up. Now, in addition to aviation authorities and airline representatives, there are also medics and psychologists in that crisis center as well. They'll be looking after the family members as more information has been passed to them. As we know right now from Germanwings, the airline company part of Lufthansa, they say that they believe at least 67 Germans were onboard. We're also hearing from city hall officials in the German town of Hulton that 16 students from that town have been booked on this flight. We don't know whether they boarded the flight but there is a chance that 16 exchange students from Germany may have boarded that flight as well. We don't know anything about the other passengers in terms of how many other nationalities were onboard. Bear in mind that Barcelona is a cosmopolitan city. Some come for weekend breaks. Barcelona is also an access point to the beach area of Spain. A lot of northern Europeans head here to get some winter sun. But as time goes on, we hope, from the airline authorities, to get more information about the breakdown of the passengers, nationalities and really what they've been doing in this area of Spain John?
[Berman:] 150 souls onboard. Karl Penhaul, Jim Bittermann, thanks so much.
[Bolduan:] There's interesting information coming out right there from Jim Bittermann, John. We want to point out quick first that there are ways you can help when tragedy strikes. Logon to CNN.comimpact. And also right now, there's a hotline for families of passengers to call for information. But I do want to draw the attention to our viewers just one more time to some of the information that Jim Bittermann was getting from French authorities. He said French authorities were able to fly over the scene and what they saw according to one person is the crash site covered about four acres. Jim saying the debris was just everywhere. There's no sign of life from what they can see and that because of the difficulty terrain as we've been discussing, investigators, searchers, will have to go in foot complicated by the fact that difficult weather is moving into the area as we speak. It's already at freezing temperatures which is going to complicate things only further. Just want to make sure we bring all of the latest to our viewers. There's a lot of this that's fluid and a lot of information coming in from all of our reporters on the ground right now John?
[Berman:] No doubt. There's a mountain guide on the scene there near the crash site who says he heard the plane go down. He describes the sound he heard and he also described the incredibly difficult conditions Kate was just talking about. No way to get there via ground. You need helicopters you're look at right now. We'll hear from that mountain guide next.

[Costello:] As I mentioned before the break, the United States is the moving some of its military assets in the Mediterranean Sea. Our Pentagon reporter Barbara Starr knows all about it. Tell us, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. U.S. military officials say that one of the five Navy destroyers that's been in the eastern Mediterranean for several days. Now headed home. Its crew returning to its home port. They say this is not a big deal, they've got to get the crew home. They still have four missile equipped ships in the Eastern Med and they are ready to go if the order from the president comes. But what is ready to go really mean right now? Well, the Syrian regime, another U.S. official tells us, is moving its own weapons, its own material and troops around inside Syria a great deal, a good deal of disbursal of Syrian forces are being noticed by U.N. intelligence satellites flying overhead. That means targeting has to be redone. And it is now, we are told, a continuous process. Updating the targeting, sending those satellite targets to the missiles. The U.S. missiles on those Navy ships. So if the order comes, they will be ready to go. The strategy the U.S. thinks that the Syrians are engaging in is to disperse their forces and keep them dispersed in anticipation of a U.S. attack but the Pentagon says U.S. military officials say they can deal with that. They will keep reprogramming the targets into the missiles ready to go whenever President Obama orders a strike. That is what the U.S. military will tell Congress today Carol.
[Costello:] Is it possible to completely hide, let's say, the chemical weapons that are in Syria?
[Starr:] Well, you raise a very good point. The two biggies, if you will, the chemical stockpiles, will the U.S. know exactly where those are? They don't want to hit the chemical agents because that could disburse into the atmosphere and cause a real catastrophe so they've got to keep on top of that. They are worried that they will know where all of that is. And, of course, the other issue, as this retargeting happens, human shields, civilian casualties. They need to make sure as much as they can that they will not inadvertently strike any target with human shields or civilians. The Pentagon is going to tell Congress that they are going to put the burden of that right back on the al-Assad regime. That it's going to be their responsibility to keep their chemical weapons and their people safe. We will see how all that works out.
[Costello:] I know, because, you know, the big worry is they'll hide these chemical weapons inside of schools and mosques. Who knows? Who knows at this point.
[Starr:] Well, that's I just want to add very quickly, Carol, what you said is just exactly right. We have seen this in Iraq. We have seen it in other areas around the world. When these critical targets, these critical things are hidden in schools and mosques, hospitals, which the U.S. has a policy of not striking, this becomes a very difficult targeting issue as the days go on. People will be watching very carefully to see if the Assad regime undertakes this strategy that we have seen so many times around the world already.
[Costello:] Sadly, yes. Barbara Starr reporting live from the Pentagon. Thanks so much. We'll be right back.

[Blitzer:] We're back with Utah representative, Jason Chaffetz. He's the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. We're talking about the latest scandal erupting around the Secret Service. This is awful what's going on. How did this happen again?
[Rep. Jason Chaffetz , Oversight And Government Reform Chairman:] Well, evidently, not this past Wednesday but the Wednesday before that, 10:30 at night, you have a woman who evidently throws something either through or over the White House fence claiming that it was a bomb. So there's an active investigation going on. And by the way, some reporting good reporting by Carol Leonnig at the "Washington Post," evidently this person just gets in her car and leaves. And it was a long time before they actually were able to apprehend this person. But nevertheless during this active investigation, all of a sudden you have two agents who come up, go through evidently from what I've heard, going through the tape and actually bumping into a barricade there when the officers there, the Secret Service uniform division, approaches these people, they evidently smell alcohol on their breath. They call a supervisor. Supervisor decides to unilaterally let them go. Don't hold them back, get in your car, you two, they just drive off and move on. And it begs a lot of questions.
[Blitzer:] Well, that apparently goes against regulations, if you're caught driving drunk, if you're suspected driving drunk by uniform Secret Service officers, you should at least do a sobriety test and shouldn't necessarily let those Secret Service agents continue driving if they are drunk.
[Chaffetz:] It's one of the big questions that Elijah Cummings and I have we're very united in this, and very frustrated that these people were allowed to go. If it's true that these officers had suspected that these people had alcohol on their breath, that they were driving, that they impeded, got in the way of an active investigation, a potential bomb on the White House grounds, and the supervisor just decided to let them go, I mean, this is what is so terribly frustrating. And then it also begs the questions, Wolf, about what is the new Secret Service director doing about it? And I think we're worried that he's not necessarily doing enough.
[Blitzer:] That supervisor who let those two agencies continue on, one of them, by the way, the number two agent on the president's personal security detail, the other one a supervisor himself, but the supervisor who said just get out of here, go home, is that guy still supervising?
[Chaffetz:] He is. And I talked to the Secret Service Director Clancy last night. I asked him specifically about that. The two people who were involved in the car, potentially, you know, had alcohol on their breath, they have been moved to a different job temporarily. But the supervisor who made this decision, nothing's happened to that person. He is still in his same position. And that begs a lot of questions. And I really worry if the new Secret Service director does not fundamentally transform the Secret Service, we are going to continue to have these problems. They can never ever happen and yet they keep happening.
[Blitzer:] And you heard Michelle Kosinski in a report from the White House. She went through point after point after point. Here is the question, a lot of us are worried about the safety of the president of the United States and his family. Should we be?
[Chaffetz:] I think we should. The more I've learned about it, the more concerned I become. And look, I we're very united, Republicans and Democrats, in saying the safety of the first family is paramount. And we're putting this person in jeopardy and his family in jeopardy. These are very, very senior Secret Service agents. And for them to participate in it, if it's true, they need to finish the investigation, there have got to be severe consequences to this, Wolf. There haven't in the past. But we're going to find out a lot what Director Clancy is willing to do.
[Blitzer:] So you're not ready, though, to recommend, at least until the investigation is complete, some sort of thorough overhaul of the U.S. Secret Service?
[Chaffetz:] Oh, no. I think they should have been doing an overhaul a long time ago. We've known about these problems. It's been a good old boys club. Some arrogance and you know, some- hey, we're above the law type of attitude. Most of the people in the Secret Service, good, honest, patriotic, hardworking people. They love their country, they love the president and the White House. And but you got some people that have to go. And culturally, they keep making these mistakes in an agency that can never ever make these mistakes.
[Blitzer:] Yes, just one little mistake, that could be a disaster.
[Chaffetz:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] Now you mentioned Elijah Cummings, the Democratic representative from Maryland. He is the ranking member of your committee. You're the chairman. You're on the same page with him. So what are the two of you and your colleagues on the committee going to do about this?
[Chaffetz:] Elijah Cummings and I both independently spoke with Director Clancy. And then we spoke on the phone last night. And we think we've got a good bipartisan game plan moving forward that starts with bringing the director in to brief us and other members of Congress early next week. We're calling upon him to make sure that he deals with this problem right now. I think we both it's fair to say I don't want to put words in Elijah's mouth, but I think it's fair to say that we're both very concerned about the lack of action on the supervisor's part.
[Blitzer:] Yes.
[Chaffetz:] If those parts of the story are truly. And then the other part, though, I'm really concerned about is, a woman comes and throws something over and says it's a bomb, and just drives off.
[Blitzer:] Yes.
[Chaffetz:] How does that happen without her being apprehended?
[Blitzer:] Yes, I spoke to Elijah Cummings
[Chaffetz:] That's a smaller part of the story but it's huge.
[Blitzer:] I spoke to him earlier today, he's on the same page with you. Good to see some bipartisan cooperation on Capitol Hill on this issue. This is too important for partisan bickering. Congressman, thanks very much for joining us.
[Chaffetz:] Thanks, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Coming up, much more on the breaking news. We're going back live to Ferguson, Missouri, where county police and state troopers are about to take over security for protests after two police officers are shot and wounded in front of the Ferguson Police headquarters.

[Keilar:] If Hillary Clinton does run for president in 2016, she will certainly get some criticism from Republicans. Well, some advice from a fellow first lady could come in handy during a White House run. Listen.
[Hillary Rodham Clinton, Former U.s. Secretary Of State:] One of the best pieces of advice that I have ever heard from anyone is Eleanor Roosevelt in the 1920s, who said that, you know, women in politics or in public roles should grow skin like a rhinoceros. I think there is some truth to that, just as I believe, if you look at the challenges of being a change-maker and being willing to buck the establishment, which obviously is what change-making requires, it's important to learn how to take criticism seriously, but not personally. And to do that, you have to be willing to hear what others who are your critics are saying, and to evaluate where they're coming from. What is their basis for that? And some, you will dismiss, because there's another agenda that has nothing to do with you or promoting the cause you're attached to. But some will be giving you good advice. I mean, there is that old, you know, saying that your critics can be your best friends, if you listen to them and learn from them, but don't get dragged down by them. And that, again, is hard for anybody. But it is particularly hard for young women just starting out. I think that it is true that, in the whole leadership arena, there are different styles. And we have celebrated the different styles of men for a very long time. Franklin Roosevelt had a different style than Churchill.
[Keilar:] That was Clinton speaking at a forum called Women and Girls Count. This was an event that marks the launch of a joint venture between the Clinton Foundation and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Speaking of some words of wisdom, Pope Francis took time out this Valentine's Day for some spiritual affairs of the heart. He spoke in a packed St. Peter's Square to thousands of couples engaged to be married. And he gave them some advice on love and matrimony. The pope even took some questions, and he told the young couples not to be afraid of marriage and to let their love build and grow.
[Pope Francis, Leader Of Catholic Church:] This is a secret. In order to preserve love, to be in peace with each other, you don't need to come up with a beautiful speech. It could be just a tiny tap on the face.
[Keilar:] Oh, so cute, right? Well, that is the first time ever that a pope has openly ministered to couples on Valentine's Day. February is American Heart Month, a good time to be thinking about your heart and how to keep it healthy. And over the next few weeks, our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, is looking at ways that you can keep your heart fit. We will call them "Heart Beat" tips, and, this week, a look at foods that are great for your circulation.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] It's no secret one of the best ways to keep your heart healthy is to eat right. Cut out saturated fats. Look for natural foods that can cut your risk of heart disease. So, we decided to give you five that you should put on your grocery list. Think green, yes, veggies, especially cruciferous vegetables like broccoli. That's they because they contain a lot of nutrients that have been shown to strengthen the heart muscles. And broccoli also seems to boost levels of heart-protective proteins at the same time. Drink green. Green tea, it has been shown to lower cholesterol and also improve blood flow. Go fishing. In fact, look for oily fish like salmon, tuna, sardines. Oily fish are filled with these omega-3 fatty acids that actually help counteract the negative effects mental stress put on the heart. Feeling nutty? Well, have a handful of nuts. Researchers say people who eat nuts can lower their bad cholesterol levels in their blood, which is one of the primary causes of heart disease. And, finally, it's OK to indulge your sweet tooth a little bit. Dark chocolate is full of flavonols, which have been found to reduce dangerous inflammation and also cut down atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries. The key to all of this, as you know, moderation and eating smart. Replace the red meat with oily fish. Snack on walnuts instead of chips. Eat a small piece of dark chocolate, then sit down to a glass of iced green tea, instead of a soda. Small changes, and your heart will thank you.
[Keilar:] Well, this week's winter storm, as you can imagine, sparked a big run on snowplows, from the most basic to the heavy-duty. But nobody probably had one of these puppies. Coming up, Jeanne Moos takes a right on some plows that wow.

[Harlow:] Condemned to death for his role in the Boston marathon bombings, a federal jury's unanimous decision that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should pay with his life for the 2013 terror attack. The pressure cooker bombs planted at the marathon killed three people, injured some 240 others, 17 people lost limbs, including my next guest, Heather Abbott. She lost her left leg below the knee. And I reported on her recovery and had the privilege of getting to know her over the past two years. Her spirit throughout has been absolutely remarkable. She helps other amputees obtain prosthetics through her foundation, is it the Heather Abbott foundation. You can find it online at heatherabbottfoundation.org. Heather, thanks for being here.
[Heather Abbott, Boston Marathon Survivor:] Hi, Poppy. Thank you.
[Harlow:] You testified at this trial. I wonder what the moment was like yesterday afternoon when you heard the verdict.
[Abbott:] I was definitely anxious to hear it and then it was I guess I was expecting I would feel some sort of emotion, but it was really just signed of sad. It didn't feel like something to celebrate.
[Harlow:] You posted on facebook that the verdict does not bring you peace and that it makes you sad. You say the verdict, regardless of which one it turned out to be, does not bring me peace. You found peace and closure long before this.
[Abbott:] I did. I think I had been looking for something else throughout the process of this trial, but I didn't I didn't get any answers. I don't think I ever will. So I think when I look back over the last two years
[Harlow:] Have you been talking to some of the other survivors? I mean, I know you guys are really a close-knit community. I wonder if you've spoken to them since the verdict came down and what the feeling is.
[Abbott:] I have. And we've talked but nobody really expressed their opinion of the verdict. It was more just expressions of support for each other.
[Harlow:] You gave a commencement address yesterday. I know I spoke to you on the phone right after that and you were driving home. But tell me a little bit about what that leaving that commencement speech and then hearing the verdict brought to your mind, considering Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's age, college student. You just finished speaking with these college students.
[Abbott:] Yes. I couldn't help but think that he would be in the same shoes as a lot of those students I spoke with last night. And you know, how excited they were about their future, all that they had to look forward to. And you know, it sounds like at one point he was a very likeable person and very intelligent and I just wonder why he threw all those opportunities away and what went wrong.
[Harlow:] We were showing some images, I think we can pull them up again, but some recent images of you at the launch of your foundation. Because I know the headlines today are about the verdict and about Tsarnaev. But really, the focus needs to be on the survivors like you and so many others. And frankly, the work you're doing is incredible. I mean, I couldn't imagine what I'd do if what happened to you happened to me. You've channeled it in this incredible positive way. Tell me about the foundation, what you're doing, what your goal is.
[Abbott:] Well, when I became an amputee, I was became vastly aware of the extremely high costs of prosthetic devices and the lack of insurance that covers them. And I couldn't help but think what if the whole world didn't know about me? What if I didn't lose my leg in the Boston marathon bombing and everyone wasn't reaching out to help. I bet there's a lot of people that are in that situation on the past two years. So the foundation is to help people obtain prosthetic devices that insurance doesn't typically cover like sports devices, high heel devices and hopefully that will help some other people the same way that I was able to.
[Harlow:] It's amazing work that you guys are doing, Heather Abbott. I know you and I were joking about maybe running a 5k together, maybe not a whole marathon, but a 5k. Do you think we should do that still?
[Abbott:] I do. I think we should.
[Harlow:] OK. I will come up and we'll do it in Newport, Rhode Island. Heather, thank you so much. I appreciate it. And I'm just so impressed with your resilience and all you're doing for others. Thanks a lot, Heather.
[Abbott:] Thank you.
[Harlow:] All right. You can help Heather's foundation if you want. You said they're trying to help others get prosthetics that are incredibly expensive. And a lot of these prosthetics that look like human limbs are not all covered by insurance. So if you want to help, you can go to heatherabbottfoundation.org for more information on how to give. We'll have more news back in just a minute.

[Anderson:] At the Global Exchange here on Connect the World live from Abu Dhabi. Welcome back. I'm Becky Anderson. Well, Lebanon's parliament will convene on Wednesday to start what is the process of choosing the country's new president. Now the decision comes at what is a difficult time. There are deep rifts over the current influx of Syrian refugees, as I'm sure you're well aware. And the role of the Shiite group Hezbollah, whose militant wing has been implicated in a recent spate of deadly violence. Our emerging markets editor John Defterios joining me with the details of the economic domino effect, as it were. This position of president it doesn't really hold real powers. So why is this selection proving so important, John?
[John Defterios, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, I think it's any opportunity to grasp stability, because they've been lacking stability for the better part of a year. It went almost a year without a government, then they have a cabinet of special interests that has a 100 day mandate, which is not a whole lot to get things passed as you know here. So the suggestion is that if a strong president can come in, probably with the military tilt, it will provide the stability to then go for reelections here, parliamentary elections. Now this can be very divisive, as you know, you have the March 14 camp, which is backed by the Sunnis and the March 8 camp which is backed by the Shia. So they have very different supports for the candidates that are there. The one candidate that has emerged has military backing is probably a couple of others like Michel Aoun on the sidelines that may emerge if they go to this vote tomorrow and cannot build a two-thirds consensus. That's the big question mark. But look at the result now and you know this that in Lebanon, they're usually extremely resilient. I was on the ground there a month ago and you can see it in the eyes of the Lebanese people. They don't feel comfortable. They've had the crisis on their borders for the last three years. And it shows up in the growth. Let's take a look at what I'm talking about here. Going back to 2008, 2009 and then all the way up to 2013 we had growth, Becky, of 9 percent. And even at the height of the financial crisis and then the tail end of that crisis it was still growing at 7 percent. And look what happened the following three years of the civil war, growth of 1.5 percent. For an emerging market, a market that has a lot of capital coming in, it's very poor growth. Now can it bounce back is the big question not only after presidential elections, if there's any since of stability. And then it's all complicated by the elections that are going to be taking place in neighboring Syria going forward. Obviously this is going to have a ripple effect on what's taking place in Lebanon.
[Anderson:] Yeah. And those, of course, are on June 30, go back to 2006. As I was looking at that graph I was thinking I was there covering the war there in 2006 when things went pear-shaped for the economy again. And this this sort of [inaudible] opportunity and then this reverse. Knowing what is happening in neighboring Syria, could the situation be any worse at this point?
[Defterios:] It could be a lot worse. That's a very good point that you bring up here. We talked about 1.5 percent growth. When I was on the ground, which is just about 30 days ago, all the business leaders I spoke to, and even ministers within the cabinet think, if this happened in any other country in the world we would have been in recession. And what's the magic or the silver bullet here that kept them above water. Take a look at this big number that we accumulated here. This is capital inflows for the last six years coming in to Lebanon. Look at the number here as we tally it up. Nearly $100 billion. So this is the Lebanese diaspora, Lebanese expat community funneling money back into the homeland. Obviously because they want to support their country, but they have a lot of trust in the banking sector. They know it's a very stable banking sector. And they have a lot of confidence in their central bank governor. I talked to him just a month ago. Let's get his analysis on why it didn't slip into recession.
[Riad Salame, Governor, Bank Of Lebanon:] Lebanon has retained the potential to rebound, because of the large inflows that are still coming to the country, to its banking sector. So we hope that political solutions will happen in Syria and in the Middle East in general and Lebanon will rebound quickly.
[Defterios:] That's the hope of the central bank governor. As you know, he's got a lot of trust around the world, has been voted the best central bank governor around the world by both Euro Money and of course others, including The Banker magazine. That $100 billion, very interesting figure, $50 billion this is a population of only 4 million people $50 billion has been funneled into the real estate sector. All those abroad want to own a piece of Lebanon even with all that chaos, Becky.
[Anderson:] Many of those, of course, are Syrian refugees at the moment.
[Defterios:] Yes.
[Anderson:] All right, John, we're at the Global Exchange.
[Defterios:] Well, we know during this tumult in the region that Dubai and the UAE overall have benefited from the rush of capital coming in because of what we've seen with the Arab Spring countries. Projects abound, particularly in Dubai right now, but one is circled around racing, horse racing. And the developer is making a big bet this could pay off as a winner in the years to come. For one day a year Dubai is the center of the horse racing universe. The Dubai World Cup, hosted here at Meydan, is the richest on the planet. The first Dubai World Cup was held in 1996 at a venue, which could be described as a track in the desert, certainly not this green oasis. Meydan opened in 2010 to put the emirate on the sporting map. Now it's at the heart of a much bigger master plan leading up to the World Expo in 2020. That plan is to build a high end mini-city, a short [inaudible] from Dubai's financial district with Meydan its physical and philosophical heart. Stage one meant turning the race course into a year-round destination.
[Frank Gabriel, Frm. Ceo, Dubai Racing Club:] 2005 I came here, it was just horse racing. And all of a sudden within six months we were building a master plan of a race track in a city and then next thing you know we're just we never stopped moving.
[Defterios:] First came the grandstand, a statement construction stretching over a kilometer. The five star Meydan Hotel was completed the same year, 2010. Then came an IMAX cinema, art gallery, tennis center and golf course. With each addition, Meydan's reach extended beyond its equestrian origins. Stage two is by far the most ambitious.
[Unidentified Male:] The horse racing and the equestrian industry is the heart and soul of Meydan. And that will always be in our pedigree. But developing a city just put us on the global map.
[Defterios:] That city is named after the rule, Mohammed bin Rashad al Maktoum City. It's an $8 billion, 1,500 villa development spanning over 16 million square meters.
[Unidentified Female:] So between one row of villas and another you have a certain amount of space.
[Defterios:] The development takes a thoroughbred lifestyle Meydan seeks to embody back at the race track and recreates it on a massive scale. Four to eight bedroom villas cost $6,200 per square meter, that's over 40 percent more than the average cost of villas in Dubai, according to the real estate consultancy CBRE. From a simple race course in the desert to the heart of a luxury new mini city. Meydan is a premiere sports venue that now extends way beyond its equine beginnings. John Defterios, CNN, Dubai.

[Baldwin:] We are now, just watching the clock, a little more than nine hours until that scheduled end of the cease-fire that has halted the bloodshed in the Middle East. Talks over extending it and searching for longer-term solution are under way in Cairo. Israeli and Palestinian delegations are communicating via Egyptian mediators. Time running short. Now it appears the military wing of Hamas is piling on additional pressure. CNN's Reza Sayah is live for us in Cairo with specific on this demand from the military wing of Hamas. What do you know, Reza?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yes, Brooke, these were already anxious hours here in Cairo, but these statements certainly add to the tension. I think some people are going to look at these statements and they're going to say that this is Hamas simply posturing and piling on the pressure in order to get what they want. But others are going to say these are threats and Hamas is prepared to fight again tomorrow once this cease-fire is over. Briefly, let's tell you what the Cassam Brigade said, Hamas' military wing on TV. This is a television station run by Hamas. They essentially called on the negotiating team here not to extend the cease-fire until the Palestinian's people initial demands are met. They say if there is agreement then the cease-fire can be extended. If there is no agreement, they're calling on this negotiating team to pull out of the talks and go back to Gaza from Cairo. Earlier in the day, we spoke to another Palestinian delegate. He made a similar statement saying, if Israel doesn't respond to the demands of the Palestinian people, the resistance can resume activity. They didn't say they're going to start firing rockets again tomorrow morning. They didn't say they are going to start fighting. But Brooke, when you hear these statements, you have to start wondering. What's going to happen if 8:00 a.m. local time Friday comes, and there is no agreement, is the bloodshed? Is the fighting going to start again? I think a lot of people are hoping that's not the case. A lot of people hoping these two sides come to an agreement by 8:00 a.m. local time tomorrow.
[Baldwin:] To end the bloodshed, final hours of negotiating. Reza Sayah, thank you so much in Cairo, the site of the peace talks under way. Next, how is the media covering this conflict between Israel and Hamas? S.E. Cupp, host of CNN's "CROSSFIRE" is here. Good to see you. She says that journalists are leaving out one very important part of the story. She will explain what she means next.

[Burnett:] The measles outbreak is growing tonight and infecting the most vulnerable, babies too young to be vaccinated, and we are now learning about new possible cases that an Illinois daycare, two infants have tested positive, three others believed to have been exposed. The spread of the virus which is now in 15 states has been blamed on the anti-vaccination movement. Our Ryan Young is OUTFRONT in Palatine, Illinois. It's just outside Chicago. And, Ryan, what are officials saying about these cases with these babies?
[Ryan Young, Cnn Correspondent:] Erin, you can understand the parents, of course, at first, were very upset when they heard the news about this. Officials say they have come to this day care and they made sure they did a thoroughly cleaning overnight. It was actually open this afternoon we watched as kids went in and out of this daycare. We tried to talk to a couple of parents. In fact, one parent said she had her kids here for the last eight years and believes they handled everything very well. All kids who haven't been vaccinated they have been sent home for the next 21 days. Of course, everyone is thinking about the five kids with signs of the measles and they're hoping they will pull through OK.
[Burnett:] So, do they have idea whether the cases here are linked to any other cases at this point or do they just not know?
[Young:] You know, honestly, that's the big question this evening. Everybody wants to track down where this started. What we're told now, they don't have an idea where this started. They actually believe more kids may get sick from this. Right now, what they're saying is they have done a thorough cleaning and, of course, they were very cautious out here in the parking lot with us this afternoon.
[Burnett:] All right. Ryan, thank you very much. It's so awful. Of course, those babies if they were under one, too young to have had the first of the two MMR shots that a child receives. And tonight, we're learning new details about the deadly collision of a commuter train and SUV that killed six people just north of New York City. Investigators saying today, the driver of the SUV, a mother of three, only had be 39 seconds when the crossing lights began flashing and the crash. Questions tonight about that driver and what she was doing on the train tracks. Our Poppy Harlow is OUTFRONT.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] Ellen Brody, a beloved wife and mother of three girls.
[Benjy Silvermna, Rabbi At Chabad Of Rivertown:] Her girls really adore her. Her husband and her are very close. It's just a beautiful family unit.
[Harlow:] Friends and loved ones grappling with how her life would have been cut so short.
[Unidentified Male:] It's tragic accident. It was not her. She was not careless person. She would not ever do anything that would put anybody at risk.
[Harlow:] Just 49 years old, Brody was driving the SUV that was struck on the track in the deadliest train crash in Metro North history. She's among the six people who perished.
[Unidentified Male:] A fire at the front of the train. One possibly trapped in the train.
[Harlow:] Rick Hope was in the car directly behind Brody, and recounted the fatal moment to the "Journal News".
[Rick Hope:] As we're waiting to cross the tracks the gate comes down in front of me and it comes down and hits the top of her car, unable to back up and I'm waiting for her to back up, but instead she gets out of car. She gets out and she walks around the back and looks at the arm that's on the back of the car. She looks at me. I gestured her to come back. I back up again further to even indicate there's plenty of room to back up and she turns, walks and gets back in the car, and slight hesitation and then moves forward, and at that instant, the train came.
[Harlow:] Why Brody's SUV was on the track is central to the investigation. Eyewitnesses say a separate accident backed up traffic and many drivers took an alternate route to avoid it. The NTSB is investigating if the detour played any role and is trying the recover data from the memory modules in Brody's
[Suv. Unidentified Male:] We found the crossing arm and the traffic signal. They both operated as designed. There were no problems found.
[Harlow:] Brody worked alongside Varda Singer and Virginia Zsa Zsa at this Jewelry store for ten years.
[Varda Singer, Friend & Colleague Of Ellen Brody:] She had a million dollar smile. She, to me, was a saint because she's one of the most selfless person I've ever known.
[Harlow:] She was driving home from work when she was killed.
[Unidentified Female:] In one word, she just had a beautiful soul. She looked for the good in others.
[Harlow:] Her husband Allen posting this message on Facebook, thanking all who shared their condolences. And, Erin, just tonight we have learned from investigators that the train was traveling within the legal speed limit when this horrific, horrific accident happened. Also this week, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo saying it does not appear that Ellen Brody was trying to beat the train but rather likely just confused. She leaves behind her husband, three beautiful girls age 15 to 22. She'll be remembered in services here tomorrow Erin.
[Burnett:] Poppy Harlow, thank you very much. Live where that horrible accident happened. I want to bring in rail record engineering expert Gus Ubaldi. And, Gus, just to give people a better sense of what happened here, I want to show them the Google Street view of the railroad crossing. This is where this happened. She drove her SUV beyond that white line that you can also see on your screen. Then the gate hit the back of her car. It's unclear if her car was actually on the tracks. It was past the gate. How far it was on the tracks, we don't know at this time. She got out of her car and got back in and drove forward instead of backward and got struck by the train. What could she have done?
[Gus Ubaldi, Railroad Engineering Expert:] Well, if she wanted to get off the tracks, she could have backed up. The gates are designed to be frangible. That means they're breakable. So, they would have broken, or at the very least she could have run away from the car, away from the crossing in the direction the train was coming. She would have survived. The train may not have hit the SUV or may have damaged front end. Whether the outcome would have been different for the people on the train, I don't know. That's what the investigators will find. But, certainly, backing up was an option.
[Burnett:] Right. And, of course, given that we know the car was partially on the tracks, that's what the man behind her said, there was room to back up. The NTSB is looking into this, Gus, as we know. Officials saying there were 39 seconds from the time the lights began flashing right at the crossing to when the train came through. Thirty-nine seconds sounds like a short amount of time. I'm sure that people who are waiting for crossings, it feels like a long time, people always want those times to be shorter. But is 39 seconds when you look at the accident happening now, enough? Is it safe?
[Ubaldi:] Well, I would have to say yes. The federal regulations say the minimum time for those lights to be flashing is 20 seconds. Each crossing is evaluated independently to determine what is sufficient time to alert the drivers that the crossing is going to be active for them to stop, and for cars, for example, at that traffic light at Taconic State Parkway for cars back up there to be able to clear so that there are no cars on the crossing when the train arrives.
[Burnett:] Of course, in a situation like this, you know, she perhaps realized what happened. You know, it's dark. The guy behind her as his lights, he's saying coming up. Maybe she didn't see him. Maybe she gets in her car to back up and she's trying to be calm and she's so calm and hits the accelerator and it goes forward because the gear didn't go into reverse. I mea, we just don't know what happened. But when you're in an emergency situation, all of a sudden, time seems a lot shorter.
[Ubaldi:] That's right. The best thing to do for drivers is to stop so you can see those flashing lights. Then whether you can see the painted line or not, you know you are safe, if you are behind that gate arm.
[Burnett:] Is there anything you can, they said the big shock they have is how it is possible that the train car itself was damaged and those people inside lost their lives, and the horrible tragedy of this. That has not happened before. They didn't understand how that could have happened. Is there anything that makes to you about that, about how hitting a car on the track, which frankly happens frequently, actually resulted in people dying on that train?
[Ubaldi:] I think it had to do with the fact the third rail was involved. Maybe punctured the gas tank and sparks, ignited it, and the air rushing by blew it back on the train.
[Burnett:] All right, Gus
[Ubaldi:] The investigators will find that out.
[Burnett:] Well, thank you so much for your time, we appreciate it, and your expertise. Thank you. And OUTFRONT next, NBC's Brian Williams facing new criticism tonight. Was his apology for a false war story enough? And the murder trial of former pro-football star Aaron Hernandez. What jurors will and won't see when they get a tour of Hernandez's home tomorrow.

[Costello:] A young family of four disappears from their San Diego home without a trace, no signs of struggle, no apparent plans to flee, then nearly four years later, they are found dead. So, what happened to the McStay family? The story is part of a special CNN report tonight. And as Randi Kaye found out. It took days for other family members to alert police that these four were even missing.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Correspondent:] Monday, February 15th, 11 days after the family went missing. Michael called the sheriff's department who came to the house to investigate. They immediately alerted homicide. Then investigators did something Patrick McStay finds unbelievable.
[Patrick Mcstay Joseph Mcstay's Father:] They don't put any tape on it, crime scene tape, any notices on the door. Nothing. They just lock the house back up and they leave to get warrants.
[Steph Watts:] It doesn't make any sense to me. I think you've got a family that's missing for a week and they are still not going to call it a crime scene?
[Kaye:] It took San Diego investigators three days to obtain the warrants they needed to complete a full search of the home. But during those three days, the McStay's home remained unsealed, which allowed Joseph's brother, mother, and friend access in and out of the house.
[Susan Blake, Joseph Mcstay's Mother:] I wouldn't go in there unless I called, you know, the sheriff's department and they said I could, so I had permission. I cleaned up the kitchen because it was disgusting and the trash can from diapers sitting there all that time, you know, it was terrible, terrible smells.
[Mcgyver Mccargar, Joseph Mcstay's Friend:] She was cleaning. We were looking for bank statements. I mean, I think she was just reaching for evidence.
[Kaye:] It was a crime scene?
[Michael Msstay, Joseph Mcstay's Brother:] No, it was not deemed a crime scene because there was no sign of forced entry, there was no signs of foul play at the house.
[Kaye:] Michael says investigators gave them the OK to remove some items from the home.
[Michael Msstay:] With their permission, I grabbed his computer, what would be Joey's computer and the S.D. card. I got the pictures off of it. I got that downloaded and then I had to put that back prior to them issuing the warrant.
[Kaye:] Back in Texas, Patrick could hardly believe what was going on.
[Patrick Mcstay:] The first thing I'm thinking is like you are going to destroy evidence? I was just stunned.
[Watts:] Certain items that might have been really key to the big mystery of why they left that house are gone, touched, moved, cleaned up. It's ridiculous.
[Costello:] Randi Kaye joins me now. Good morning, Randi. So the remains of the McStay family were found four years after the night they disappeared in the California desert. Did that surprise detectives?
[Kaye:] Oh, absolutely, Carol. I mean the San Diego sheriff's department. They had been investigating the case initially and they thought that the family disappeared into Mexico and they thought it was voluntary. I mean they had found the McStay's Isuzu Trooper parked near the Mexico border. They found computer searches on their home computer looking for paperwork that was required into Mexico. The was still unclear who did those searches or even when, Carol. And then there's this. Security camera video from the border of a family of four. Now some say it matched the McCray's description and it looked like they were walking into Mexico, but still Patrick McStay, Joseph's father, he's the husband in the case, I mean we talked to Patrick for this documentary. And he said they would never go to Mexico. He never believed this story. He said that his daughter-in-law Summer did not even like Mexico. But investigators still early on remained focused on the border, focused on Mexico. And that they went there never imagining that their bodies would be found more than 100 miles north of their home, which is far north of the border.
[Costello:] So, why do investigators think they left their house so suddenly?
[Kaye:] Well, It's hard to say. I mean they have a new detective who's working on the case, but there's no question that they left in a hurry. I mean there were eggs on the counter, there were popcorn bowls in front of the television on this futon. Their beloved dogs, which they really treated like part of the family, they were left tied up in the backyard. And this is the main problem, Carol. San Diego sheriff's department, the deputies there, they didn't even enter the home with a search warrant until 15 days, 15 days after that family disappeared. So in that time, as you heard there, Joseph McStay's mother, she entered the home with her son Michael, she cleaned up the counter, she threw out dirty diapers, they threw out the eggs that were rotting on the counter. But who knows what clues may have been lost in the time that it took authorities to get in there with that warrant?
[Costello:] Well, I can't wait to watch your documentary tonight. Randi Kaye, thanks so much. And you can watch the CNN "Special Report: Buried Secrets: Who Murdered the McStay Family." That's tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN. The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM after a break

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. We're going to continue with the national lead. President Obama did address somebody that may be in hiding thousands of miles away, but he still cast a long shadow over today's news conference. Of course, I'm referring to NSA leaker Edward Snowden.
[Obama:] And as a consequence of these disclosures, we've got countries who actually do the things that Mr. Snowden says he's worried about very explicitly, engaging in surveillance of their own citizens, targeting political dissidents, targeting and suppressing the press, who somehow are able to sit on the sidelines and act as if it's the United States that has problems when it comes to surveillance and intelligence operations.
[Tapper:] I want to welcome back our panel, Van Jones, Kevin Madden, Susan Page. The NSA surveillance program, some people think it's so hard to figure out when things started to go wrong for President Obama but some people think it started to go wrong with this disclosure of the NSA programs because, especially for progressives
[Jones:] Absolutely.
[Tapper:] who thought that the president was not living up to what he promised. Can he regain that trust?
[Jones:] Well, I think so. But, listen, the termites that began to eat through his numbers, NSA. That's where the termites started. Then, the broken Web site and the broken promise, that's when he fell through. But once you have the president of the United States caught doing things that people just did not expect this president to be doing, for progressives and also, it created a weird alliance between liberals and libertarians. You had progressives and Rand Paul suddenly united against the president. That was the first time that happened. So, I think the NSA scandal is a bigger deal in terms of appearing this crash in his numbers.
[Page:] But a big opportunity, because he does need a lot of legislation to get passed. He does need to rely on Republicans in Congress to do some kind of grand bargain with him. He can figure out what the post-post-911 balance between security and privacy ought to be. He's well-positioned to do that. It's an issue he talked about even before he became president. He's seen what it's like from the inside. And I think we will hear him talk about this in a serious way in beginning of the New Year.
[Tapper:] It's interesting, Kevin, I don't I don't know yet how much the American people actually care about bulk surveillance of metadata. I don't know. I don't know how much but I feel like there was something as Van says.
[Jones:] Symbolic.
[Tapper:] There was something about he's not living up to what he said he would do type thinking, that began to
[Madden:] Right. And it was a stark I mean, the remarks he made defending it were a stark contrast to the remarks that he made criticizing it when he was a senator and a candidate. I think to Van's point also, the president did miss an opportunity here when this initial news came out. He could have forged an alliance with a lot of Republicans on a really as a really and build a really strong national security profile. Folks like John Boehner and Peter King and others that are involved in the intelligence matters up on Capitol Hill, they were just yearning for him to come out and say something very pro-actively, very bold and defend it robustly and he didn't. And what we've seen is over the last few weeks and months is just every once in awhile he gets asked about it, he says something, but then he goes back and pushes the focus somewhere else.
[Tapper:] We have only another minute but I want to get into this question about Iran. President Obama today accused his detractors of basically beating their chests on Iran.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] There is no need for new sanctions legislation. Not yet. Now, if Iran comes back and says, we can't give you assurances that we're not going to weaponize, if they're not willing to address some of their capabilities that we know could end up resulting in them having breakout capacity, it's not going to be hard for us to turn the dials back, strengthen sanctions even further. I'll work with members of Congress to put even more pressure on Iran. But there's no reason to do it right now.
[Tapper:] That's a bipartisan coalition in the Senate, including the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman who's a Democrat from New Jersey, Robert Menendez easy for me to say that he's going after there.
[Page:] And, you know, there's another point in that clip where he said I know it looks good for you if you're running for office or in office to stand up for tougher sanctions on Iran. Pretty tough charge because there is, of course, a substantive reason that you might think sanctions against Iran were a good idea besides the politics of the moment.
[Tapper:] All right. Susan Page, Kevin Madden, Van Jones, thank you so much.
[Madden:] Great to be with you.
[Tapper:] Great discussion. Appreciate it. Coming up on THE LEAD, if you plan to start your holiday travel this weekend, you better stick around to hear what parts of the country are in for in terms of a winter weather nightmare. And later, Charlie Brown or Christmas story? Everyone has their favorite holiday flicks. But there's a controversy over what makes a movie a Christmas classic. Take your hand off that leg lamp because our pop culture lead is coming up.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Jake, thanks very much. Happening now, combat troops in Iraq. America's top military officer leaves the door open to using U.S. ground forces against ISIS. Is he on the same page as the commander in chief? I'll talk to NATO's supreme allied commander. Boots on the ground to fight Ebola. President Obama will send 3,000 U.S. troops to West Africa to battle the deadly virus. Is it really a serious threat right now to the United States? Ferguson deadline, a grand jury gets more time to decide whether a police officer should be charged for the shooting at the time of teenager Michael Brown. And raging wildfires. Thousands have been evacuated, with fires destroying a church and burning more than 100 homes already. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in
[The Situation Room. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] Let's get right to the breaking news. The United States has now launched two major military campaigns, one targeting ISIS terrorists in the Middle East and the other targeting the deadly Ebola virus in West Africa, which has now killed at least 2,400 people. President Obama says Ebola is spiraling out of control, could threaten global security. He'll send up to 3,000 U.S. troops to West Africa in the coming days. But the United States will build treatment centers and train health-care workers. Meantime, the defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, tells Congress ISIS could pose a direct threat to the U.S. homeland. And the joint chiefs chairman is now raising the possibility that U.S. combat troops could take part in ground combat missions against ISIS. Our correspondents, our analysts, our guests are all standing by with full coverage. Let's begin with our chief national security correspondent, Jim Sciutto Jim.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn National Security Correspondent:] Wolf, today joint chiefs chairman General Martin Dempsey put an option on the table that the president seemed to have taken off, putting U.S. military advisers, who are now confined to joint operations centers in Baghdad and Erbil, much closer to combat, if not in combat situations. He's not requested such a move, but he did specify missions where, if circumstances change, he might ask for them, including ground controllers if the air campaign is failing.
[Sciutto:] Within moments of starting his testimony today, joint chiefs chairman General Martin Dempsey opened the door to an option the president had ruled out. U.S. troops in combat against
[Isis. Gen. Martin Dempsey, U.s. Joint Chiefs Chairman:] If we reach the point where I believe our advisers should accompany Iraq troops on attacks against specific ISIL targets, I'll recommend that to the president.
[Sciutto:] Soon a total of 1,700 U.S. military personnel will be deployed to Iraq. And just last week, President Obama again pledged...
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] These American forces will not have a combat mission.
[Sciutto:] But today, General Dempsey indicated the president had told his commander he might reconsider.
[Dempsey:] He has told me as well to come back to him on a case-by-case basis.
[Sciutto:] Senior administration officials tell CNN the president's pledge stands. Still General Dempsey described specific circumstances where he might ask for ground forces, including if the air campaign was failing and Special Operations ground controllers were needed. Or if Iraqi forces attempted to take back the ISIS stronghold of Mosul.
[Dempsey:] It could very well be part of that particular mission to provide close combat advising or accompanying for that mission.
[Sciutto:] Close combat advising or close combat? We asked General Mark Hertling, commander of U.S. forces in northern Iraq during the troop surge what the difference is?
[Gen. Mark Hertling , Former U.s. Commander In Iraq:] A soldier in a combat unit knows he or she may have to engage in combat with the enemy directly at any given time.
[Sciutto:] An adviser would not?
[Hertling:] An adviser is pointing the way for another military force on what right looks like.
[Sciutto:] On the end game, the Pentagon was managing expectations, acknowledging for the first time that, while the U.S. will seek to destroy ISIS in Iraq, it may settle simply for disrupting it in Syria, where the challenges are far greater. As the U.S. embarks on war in the region once again, Secretary Hagel sounded a cautionary note.
[Chuck Hagel, Secretary Of Defense:] As much as we have engaged, as much as we have bled, the treasure and the lives that we have left behind, we still haven't fixed the problem.
[Sciutto:] Both the White House and the Pentagon say that the mission has not changed, and there is no current request for ground troops. And Wolf, just a short time ago, I got a call from a senior administration official who really got at the definition of what combat is. They're saying these troops would not be in a they would not be fighting combat, taking up firing positions, taking back ground, et cetera. They might be closer to combat, say for instance calling in air strikes or advising Iraqi units engaged closer to the front line. So that's the definition of combat they're using. I think that Americans back home might think that some of these roles that the general was talking about today sound a lot like combat. But from the administration's standpoint, that's not a combat troop.
[Blitzer:] These are technical differences. But if you're one of those soldiers or Marines on the ground right there and you're facing the enemy, it feels like combat.
[Sciutto:] No question. During for instance, during the Iraq invasion, I was embedded with U.S. Special Forces, who were performing a role of close combat advisers. And while they weren't necessarily firing the guns, the Kurdish Peshmerga were, I'll tell you, I was in many situations where the bullets were flying over our heads. That felt a lot like combat to me, and the danger was certainly there.
[Blitzer:] They described the mission as being to destroy ISIS, as you point out, in Iraq, to degrade it in Syria. I listened to the hearing. I was they were pretty blunt in acknowledging, this is going to take a long, long time, no simple military solutions.
[Sciutto:] That's right. The word that General Dempsey used was generational. This is a generational conflict that speaks of years, decades. And I think preparing people's expectations to say, you know, this is something that cannot be stamped out completely in a matter of months or a couple of years.
[Blitzer:] Yes. When I heard last week administration officials saying three years, I said, three years? The U.S. has been fighting al Qaeda now for 13 years. It's been degraded, but it certainly hasn't been destroyed. Jim Sciutto, thanks very much. Even as the chairman of the joint chiefs leaves the door open to possible U.S. combat ground troops, the United States is stepping up its air campaign against ISIS. Those strikes are being carried out closer and closer to the largest city in Iraq, the capital of Baghdad. Let's go to our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr. What does that tell us about what's going on if the U.S. now has to protect Baghdad? We know the second largest city in Iraq, Mosul, is under the control of ISIS. But if U.S. air strikes are needed to protect Baghdad, what does that say?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, right now, these latest expanded air strikes are about 20 miles southwest of Baghdad, you know. And what they are doing is really expanding the target set. These are the strikes now that are being called offensive air strikes. They are going against ISIS targets, in particular for the first time to defend Iraqi forces on the ground that are in the fight. Iraqi forces coming under attack by ISIS. The U.S. rolling in with air strikes. In fact, in the latest one of these offensive air strikes, they even bombed two small boats in the Euphrates River that they said ISIS was using to resupply its fighters. Is the fight getting closer to Baghdad? ISIS is still on the march. This is the whole effort right now, is to keep rolling them back, to keep going against these targets in Iraq and keep pushing ISIS back, back towards, you know, where it came from in Syria. And then, of course, the next decision is, do you want to go against ISIS in Syria? That may be the biggest decision the administration is facing right now. But definitely look for more of these expanded air strikes to help Iraqi forces move against ISIS, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] So what's next for the U.S. military? About 1,600 U.S. troops, advisers, as they're called. They're in Iraq right now. I've heard some estimates that number could go up significantly.
[Starr:] Well, it may well if, as we Jim reported, you know, on what General Dempsey said today if General Dempsey feels that there is a need for more troops. Very specifically, General Dempsey was talking about being you know, those forward air controllers on the ground, calling in air strikes and also, you know, working more with Iraqi forces in advising them. If he feels he needs more in the field, he says he will go back to the president and ask for it.
[Blitzer:] Barbara, thanks very much. Barbara Starr is at the Pentagon. Boots on the ground. President Obama is deploying up to 3,000 U.S. troops. They're not necessarily going off to battle ISIS. They'll be heading to West Africa to fight the deadly Ebola virus. The disease has already killed close to 2,500 people. Thousands more have already been infected. Let's go to our White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski. Michelle, the president announced major U.S. military moves.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] We're hearing even from Senate Republicans right now applauding the president's plan. One senator just declared war on Ebola. Others saying, we ought to be paying as much attention to this, taking it as seriously as we're taking the ISIS threat. So now the president has unveiled this expanded plan. Yes, it does include boots on the ground to fight Ebola in Africa. Here's what he said just now at the CDC.
[Obama:] The epidemic is going to get worse before it gets better. But right now, the world still has an opportunity to save countless lives. Right now, the world has the responsibility to act, to step up and to do more. The United States of America intends to do more. We are going to keep leading in this effort. We're going to do our part. And we're going to continue to make sure that the world understands the need for them to step alongside us as well, in order for us to not just save the lives of families like the one I just discussed, but ultimately to make sure that this doesn't have the kinds of spillover effects that have become even more difficult to control.
[Kosinski:] So this is going to be about 3,000 U.S. military personnel based in West Africa, coordinating these resources that the Africans so badly need: money, personnel, training and facilities. They will build a hospital for aid workers, treatment centers with more than 1,000 beds, a training center that the U.S. is going to recruit for and staff. And there are a lot of elements to this, including also distributing supplies, education, enhanced screening at foreign airports and more money for research for new drugs to fight Ebola. But then again, you ask the White House, well, how big a risk is there really of an epidemic breaking out in the U.S.? And they say, it is highly unlikely. It's just that this spread has been so unprecedented in Africa that it requires an unprecedented response. The president today called it gut-wrenching, although there are some aid workers have said actually, the U.S. has been quite slow to respond. It took, after all, months to get to this point. We just heard some fascinating numbers from U.S. health officials, too, saying that now there are just under 5,000 diagnosed cases of Ebola, and about half of those were just reported in the last three weeks. That's why there's such a fear that this is going to spread exponentially. So now today there's a show of force. The president even met with Dr. Kent Brantly, the American doctor who contracted Ebola in Africa and was treated here. He, by the way, and the three other Americans who were treated here are now doing well. Brantly testified today before a Senate subcommittee. He called the Ebola epidemic a fire burning out of control, a fire straight from hell, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And the president made a point of inviting him and his wife into the Oval Office to show that everything with this individual did come down with the Ebola virus is OK right now. That's a good report, Michelle Kosinski. Thanks very, very much. Let's go in depth right now. Joining us here in THE SITUATION ROOM, Dr. Thomas Frieden. He's the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. He was with the president today. When I heard, Dr. Frieden, that 3,000 U.S. military personnel were heading right into the heart of it in West Africa, in Liberia. I immediately worried about those 3,000 troops. I'm sure their family members are deeply worried about them, as well. Here's the question: You were in West Africa. You studied what's going on. How worried should they be, their families about their brothers and sisters, moms and dads, sons and daughters who may be heading over there for the United States right now?
[Dr. Thomas Frieden, Cdc Director:] Or any of us who deploy to another country, whether it's a war zone or a place where there's an epidemic raging. We can never say that the risk is absolutely zero. Having said that, we're going to take steps to make sure that it's kept to an absolute minimum. We don't anticipate any of the individuals having contact with Ebola patients that would put them at risk, and the kinds of things they're doing are going to make a huge difference. The battle is joined against Ebola. And we're so grateful for the leadership of the president in bringing the Department of Defense on and having them help really accelerate the efforts.
[Blitzer:] Will these military troops who are going to Liberia now have to wear all this protective gear that we're showing our viewers?
[Frieden:] The details still are to be worked out. But what the Department of Defense has outlined is a series of steps that will include supporting logistics, supporting training, building a hospital for both national and international responders, and doing other things fundamentally to accelerate the response, because that's what we need. Do they have specific training, these 3,000 U.S. troops, in dealing with a crisis like this Ebola virus?
[Blitzer:] Many of the things that are needed aren't specific to Ebola. They're things like logistics, training, moving things around, building things. On that, they have excellent training. No one no one from CDC or any part of the U.S. government or the Defense Department is going to go into any place that has Ebola patients in it without complete training in how to do that. The World Health Organization now estimates that the number of deaths from Ebola could double every three weeks. And do you agree with that assessment? That that sounds dire indeed.
[Frieden:] We are seeing an exponential increase in cases, and we're deeply concerned. The president was very clear about this in his briefing today. And he's absolutely correct. This is going to get worse before it gets better. And what we need to do and what we are doing with the president's leadership is surging people into the field to support the response. Not to be the first responders out there, but to make sure that those who are addressing the epidemic have all of the tools at their disposal to turn it around.
[Blitzer:] You said earlier this month, Dr. Frieden, that the window, your words, the window is closing for containing Ebola. How much more time does the world have?
[Frieden:] We know the situation is dire and urgent, and we know that today's action with the president and the Department of Defense coming in and providing this incredible level of support, is going to accelerate and reinforce the efforts not just of the U.S. but of the entire world that's helping to stop the Ebola epidemic there before it spreads to Africa and is an even bigger problem.
[Blitzer:] There have been some concerns out there that the Ebola virus could mutate and become even more powerful, even more dangerous, even more contagious. Is that a realistic fear?
[Frieden:] We've never been in this kind of situation before, so we don't know what the future will hold. We do know that, for every day that the virus continues to spread in Africa, it's more likely that it will spread to other countries and there's the possibility that it will have a mutation that will increase its ability to spread from person to person is there. Our judgment is that that possibility is very low. It hasn't changed much in 40 years, and it would be unusual for something like that to happen. But we don't know. We haven't been here before. What we do know is that the longer it spreads, the greater the risk of more bad things happening.
[Blitzer:] Does this ZMapp as it's called, really work? Is that a cure for Ebola?
[Frieden:] There are some promising experimental treatments and experimental vaccines. We hope they work. We hope we can develop them, test them, find out if they're safe, find out if they're effective, and get them deployed in large enough numbers to make a difference. But we can't count on it. What we can count on is that a rapid, intensive response now, the kind that the president and the Defense Department are leading starting today, can help turn this around by making sure that patients are rapidly diagnosed, rapidly isolated and that we can stop this epidemic before it spreads much, much further.
[Blitzer:] I know the United States is now taking the lead. One final question, Dr. Frieden, before I let you go. Why is the United States always the one who takes the lead in these where is the United Nations? Where is the World Health Organization? Where are the Europeans? Where's the rest of the world?
[Frieden:] Actually, there's been a tremendous commitment to the response, not just from the U.S. We've got about a dozen different countries building laboratories in the region. We have support from the British. We have support from the African union that will be sending hundreds of workers. But we have unique capabilities, as the president outlined today. And we're devoting those unique capabilities to respond to what is a threat, not just to Africa, not just to the world but specifically to the U.S. because of the risk of instability, as the president outlined.
[Blitzer:] Dr. Thomas Frieden, CDC director, good luck to you and all the men and women involved.
[Frieden:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] This is obviously a crisis that is unfolding right now. Appreciate everything you're doing, Dr. Frieden. Thanks for joining us.
[Frieden:] Thank you very much.
[Blitzer:] Just ahead, a fresh warning about the threat posed by ISIS. I'll talk to NATO supreme allied commander General Philip Breedlove. He's now in Washington. And a new deadline in Ferguson, Missouri. A grand jury is given more time to decide if a police officer should face charges in the shooting death of Michael Brown.

[Max Foster:] Ramadi in ruins, thousands flee for safety after ISIS scores a big military victory in a key Iraqi city. Hello, I'm Max Foster in London. Tonight, we'll look at the plan to recapture the capital of Anbar Province. Also ahead, a bloody gun fight between rival biker gangs in Texas kills nine. We'll tell you what you need to know about the gangs at the center of it. And later, the EU moves closer to taking military action against human traffickers in Libya. We'll ask a member of the European parliament whether it goes far enough.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World.
[Foster:] Now that they control Ramadi, there are reports that ISIS militants are heading towards a nearby Iraqi military base where a counteroffensive is being planned. Ramadi is the provincial capital of Iraq's Anbar Province. This is a video posted a short time ago on YouTube purporting to show Ramadi since ISIS took over. It shows the city's government complex, its great mosque and militants roaming the streets as well. One of them attaches an ISIS flag at a roundabout in central Ramadi. Well, the fall of Ramadi comes after a prolonged offensive by the terror group using explosive laden bulldozers and other vehicles driven by suicide bombers. The Iraqi government says reinforcements are already on their way, but there are concerns this hour about what ISIS might do to residents of the city before those forces arrive, especially anyone seen as sympathetic or working for the government in Baghdad. Now Ramadi is just 110 kilometers west of Iraq's capital. The Habbaniyah base where that counter attack could come, sits between those two cities. For more on the situation on the ground, I'm joined by the Anbar Province spokesman Hikmat Sulaiman, thank you very much indeed for joining us. Can you confirm that ISIS controls the whole of Ramadi or are there still some Iraqi forces holding out there?
[Hikmat Sulaiman, Anbar Province Spokesman:] No. I can ensure that [inaudible] just control the whole of the city of Ramadi, which is between the two rivers.
[Foster:] How many people are left in the city that you might be concerned about with ISIS taking control?
[Sulaiman:] Well, most of them we have been able managed to get a road for them to withdraw, but until now we have not quite [inaudible] on the name of the been able to withdraw from the city, but still we [inaudible] left tens of them.
[Foster:] At what point did you give up the fight? Was there a decision made at a particular point to withdraw?
[Sulaiman:] No. First of all, at the beginning of the situation we've witnessed attacks on many fronts around the city, especially from the north one that comes from an area already occupied a few weeks ago, which is Al Faraj. And the tribal fighters [inaudible] were able to stand against them, but when ISIL succeeded to reach the headquarters with [inaudible] very armed car bombs, then destroy the whole buildings around the governmental complex, then we [inaudible] leadership for all fronts around, but we which send troops to reinforce the situation over there. They controlled the situation. But sadly the next morning we witnessed unexpectable or un- understandable withdraw by the Golden Division and the entire forces from Ramadi, left [inaudible] with no help and no support.
[Foster:] Are there civilians left in the city, or did they manage to get out before the troops?
[Sulaiman:] Well, a lot of them managed to get out, but yet we have a lot of civilians kept over there. And we have news that a lot of them were executed, especially the families of the policemen.
[Foster:] Can you confirm that Shia militia are on their way to support the Iraqi forces on any counter offensive, particularly around the Habbaniyah base, which I know you're still trying to defend?
[Sulaiman:] Well, we were in a security meeting this morning at the NSA headquarters in Baghdad. And yet the decision has been taken by the prime minister. But each part of the militias, [inaudible] mobilization send their own explorers to see the situation in there and how to manage to collect their own troops in the base of Habbaniyah. Now we are in a plan to reach about 3,000 individuals to collect with the reinforcement coming from the Iraqi army there and to sit a plan armed to how to conjugate of those forces under one leadership and also in a plan to reliberate the Ramadi city.
[Foster:] OK, Hikmat Sulaiman, appreciate the time. Thank you very much indeed. Well, civilians are flooding out of Ramadi, according to our reports, prompting new fears of a humanitarian crisis there. Our Nick Paton Walsh has been following developments from Beirut. And Nick, first of all just describe the strategic importance of the city.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correpsondent:] Well, it was the capital of Anbar Province. It's really a vital hub for so much of the populated areas to the west of Baghdad. And Anbar is one-third of Iraq's territory and also a key Sunni heartland. I think the hope amongst the Iraqi government was they would be able to force ISIS from that and somehow find amongst Sunni tries those who are willing to ally themselves and lessen some of the sectarian nature many feel the fighting in Iraq has had for quite some time. But that has not been the case. And I think stark what we heard in that Iraqi spokesperson's interview just then was how unexpected, quote, the departure of elite forces like the Golden Division were from Ramadi in just the past 24 hours. He also mentioned remarkably how families of the police were potentially being executed at this stage by ISIS. I think many are hoping that those reinforcements who will arrive will be able to amass and unite under the joint command he was talking about to perhaps retake that city, but it is at one stage it was home to nearly a million people perhaps as few as about 400,000, maybe even less now, many having fled remarkably. And the video you played earlier shows deserted streets, obviously many terrified for the violence that's been swirling around for the past days. But once Ramadi is fully in ISIS hands, and it seems like that is increasingly the case, they run the risk of having freer there are still a lot of Iraqi security forces, troops, on that route. But freer passage towards Baghdad. And previously that had been an issue for the Americans when they fought a war there. The freedom of movement through those Sunni heartlands Ramadi, Fallujah, into Abu Ghraib into the capital. So, vital strategic importance. The roads there that Ramadi is at the center of, plus also it does provide a hub close to the Syrian border where ISIS have a lot of freedom of movement as well that they could exploit. But, it's vital in the days ahead that the Iraqi security forces manage to get together enough numbers to perhaps begin to push in, but fighting to reclaim an urban area extraordinarily fraught. ISIS adequately versed in how to defend a city like that. And I think we could see very bloody days ahead, Max.
[Foster:] And what about the idea of Shia militia again going into what is a Sunni city, right?
[Walsh:] Yes. I think that is a key concern. So much of what had been hoped would be the campaign for Anbar would be about getting Sunni tribes to back the military and their work, but it looks like given the departure of the Iraqi security forces much of the work, as was the case for awhile in the northern city of Tikrit will fall to Shia militia, the track record of human rights, of atrocities in the battlefield deeply troubling. And I think many were concerned, in certainly newer circles that that will be a severe impediment for the coalition adding it muscle to this campaign. They managed to find some sort of resolution in Tikrit where the Shia militia stood back and then U.S. air power could clear the way for the Iraqi army. But the mess really that surrounded Ramadi, people will still be trying to unpick right now. Quite how did this months' long campaign to defend the city crumble so fast. It was well known that they may would need constant reinforcement, ammunition to keep that city in their hands. Its vital need was well recognized, too, by the Iraqi government even though American officials often tried to play it down. So, the autopsy, of course, vital, but most importantly right now trying to keep any remnants of that city in Iraqi government hands Max.
[Foster:] You mentioned the Americans. We had John Kerry, secretary of state, talking today briefly about this and he seemed quite bullish about managing to turn around the tide of the ISIS progression in the city and managing to, you know, suggesting that they could take it back relatively quickly. But is that realistic?
[Walsh:] Well, it's all I think part of bear in mind the U.S. is at war here in this campaign. It has special forces somewhere in the mix at times, advising, and it has planes on the ground. So, of course their rhetoric will be bullish. Of course they will say this is all part of the ebb and flow of battle. But I think anybody in the Pentagon recognizes the last 72 hours have radically redrawn the map of the fight against ISIS in both Iraq and Syria. The narrative about how ISIS were on their back foot now as quite the reverse. And I think the U.S. had tried to suggest Anbar wasn't that strategically significant, and that was at a time when they were also trying to persuade the Iraqi government to head north towards Mosul rather than tackle Anbar first. But we're now dealing with a stark recognition that we could see a long stretch of territory to the west of Baghdad leading up to its outer circles in the hands of ISIS and Iraqi security forces. At this stage looking at limited in their power to try and reverse that trend Max.
[Foster:] OK, Nick, thank you very much indeed. We'll have more on the fighting in Ramadi later in the show. We'll look at what the government is doing to try to regain control of the city and the implications of sending in those Shia militia into a Sunni dominated Ramadi. And the Iranian defense minister arrives in Baghdad. What kind of role could Iran play in the fight against ISIS? That's in about 20 minutes from now. The Saudi-led coalition has resumed airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen, meanwhile, now that a five-day humanitarian ceasefire is over. Three strikes targeted an airport in the southern port city of Aden on Monday afternoon, two local government officials tell CNN a Houthi fighter was killed. The United Nations convoy to Yemen had called for the ceasefire to be extended to allow more aid into the country. Shifting now to the U.S. state of Texas and what one veteran police officer describes as the most violent and gruesome crime scene he's ever dealt with. At least nine people were killed, and 17 were wounded, in a shootout involving rival biker gangs. The fight erupted inside a restaurant, then spilled into a parking lot where police were on standby having suspected trouble would break out. CNN's Nick Valencia is in Waco. He joins us now with more on exactly what happened. And this picture that's emerging about this fight, I mean it just seems so shocking for an area like that. But what more details have you had about it in the last few hours?
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Certainly a bizarre scene here, Max. And not something that's unique to Waco, Texas biker gangs present all across the United States. Here, though, it really came to a head. A heavy police presence still, that crime tape also still up, the perimeter established around here, only media and local law enforcement officials allowed inside. We heard from police a little while ago. They say about 170 people were arrested as a result of yesterday's shootout. All of them will be charged with engaging and organized crime. Some will face capital murder charges.
[Sgt. Patrick Swanton Waco Police:] These are very dangerous, hostile biker gangs that we are dealing with.
[Valencia:] Erupting in broad daylight: close to 200 members of rival biker gangs broke out in a deadly fight Sunday. First, fists, chains, a club and knives, escalating into a fierce gun battle.
[Unidentified Female:] It was really, really scary. We didn't know if somebody was going to come back.
[Valencia:] One hundred miles south of Dallas in Waco, Texas, at a Twin Peaks restaurant, as many as five criminal motorcycle gangs started fighting over a parking issue, according to police. You can see some of the groups names, like The Cossacks, on the back of their jackets. The gang meet-up, known to police for weeks, members of the SWAT team were already monitoring the scene when the brutal fight began.
[Swanton:] We were in marked cars. They knew we were here. It matters naught to them. That tells you the kind of level of people that we're dealing with.
[Valencia:] Police also exchanging fire with the bikers. The parking lot filling fast with law enforcement officials to secure the scene. At least nine are now dead and nearly 20 more injured. Some customers and employees taking cover in the restaurant's freezer.
[Swanton:] There were a lot of people. A lot of innocent people could have been injured today.
[Valencia:] Police say they recovered more than 100 weapons at the scene, a frightening indication that this may not be the end to the deadly rivalry.
[Swanton:] We have been getting reports throughout the day that bikers throughout the state are headed this way.
[Valencia:] While police say there is no threat to the public, there is concern, though, for still more violence to come. Police tell me that there are credible threats against local law enforcement officials, anyone really in a uniform from other biker gangs who want to sort of finish the job here. People still very tense in this area. Twin Peaks, for what it's worth, behind me this restaurant, has been closed for the next seven days. The strip mall as well will be closed to the public Max.
[Foster:] OK. Nick, thank you very much indeed for bringing us that from Waco. Still to come tonight, we turn a spotlight on the dark underworld of biker gangs. An expert will tell us about the various illegal enterprises that keep them running. And creeping dangerously close to Baghdad, ISIS militants reportedly advance past Ramadi now. How Iraqi and U.S. forces hope to stop them from reaching the capital.

[John Berman, Cnn Co-anchor:] You're looking at live pictures of Arlington National Cemetery. This is the Tomb of the Unknowns, Vice President Joe Biden about to deliver a Veterans Day address and lay a wreath to honor our nation's veterans on this Veterans Day.
[Gunnery Sergeant Sara Dell'omo, Marine Band Mezzo-soprano:] To those who came before the dream of a nation where freedom would endure, the work and prayers of centuries have brought us to this day, what will be our legacy? What will our children say? Let them say of me I was one who believed in sharing the blessings I've received. Let me know in my heart when my days are through, America, America, I gave my best to you. Each generation from the plains to distant shore with the gifts that were given were determined to leave more. Valiant battles fought together, acts of conscious fought alone, these are the seeds from which America has grown. Let them say of me I was one who believed in sharing the blessings I've received Let me know in my heart when my days are through, America, America, I gave my best to you. For those who think that they have nothing to share, who fear in their heart there is no hero there, know that quiet acts of dignity are that which fortifies the soul of a nation that's never died.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Co-anchor:] You're hearing have from vocalist Gunnery Sergeant Sara Dell'Omo, a musical interlude following the wreath-laying ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery. As you noticed, that was Vice President Joe Biden there. The president is overseas, so the vice president instead laying the wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns. Some 20 million over 20 million vets in our nation deserve our honor and praise and commemoration today.
[Berman:] And the vice president will be speaking at n a little bit at this event. We'll take that live when it happens. You know there's a reason they lay the wreath at the eleventh hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month. That marks the end of World War I in 1918. Veterans Day used to be Armistice Day in the United States.
[Pereira:] Still is in Britain.
[Berman:] Remembrance Day
[Pereira:] In Canada, that's right.
[Berman:] in other places, so that's why this happened just now and, again, with the president traveling, we will hear from the vice president in just a short while. What a beautiful, moving ceremony.
[Pereira:] Couldn't be a more beautiful day in November to think there's blue skies and still leaves on the trees on this Veterans Day.
[Berman:] If you see a veteran, if you know a veteran, thank them, more than 20 million strong.
[Pereira:] We'll be right back.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back. We're following breaking news this morning. A dramatic search and rescue effort is underway in South Korea after a ferry carrying 459 people abruptly started to sink. Many people on board are high school students. As many as 300, including those students, are still missing, four are confirmed dead, but those estimates are early. We're going to bring inspector general for the department of transportation, Mary Schiavo, but I want to show you some things about how just quickly this happened in a matter of hours. This was the ferry, immediately listing, and very suggestive that something catastrophic happened on board. This ferry carries cars, as many as 150. It has these big intake doors. Maybe it hit something, they say, onboard. They felt a big bump and a lurching and then the ship started to list to one side. Within a very short order of time, it's all the way on its side. This makes it almost impossible to get out because you have to climb as much as 150 feet, like you were on the side of a mountain. And now, this is all that's left. But and now we bring in Mary Schiavo. This last picture, as dramatic as it looks, may be a cause for hope, Mary, because if the bow of that ship is still able to be above water, that means that there could be displacement of air underneath it, yes?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Yes. And the United States Coast Guard has encountered many rescues like this where they've actually cut through the bottom of the ship, the hull of the ship, and found people alive. So it is possible, absolutely.
[Cuomo:] Now, the concern is that you have darkness and you have cold water, they believe 40 degrees Fahrenheit there, 20 kilometers or so off the mainland, and you have fast-moving currents. What does that do for the ability of divers to go under water and essentially enter a matrix of caves?
[Schiavo:] Well, it's tough on the divers but, you know, obviously, not only for people in the water, but people on the ship, where they're you know, they'll be in the water as well searching for air pockets, of course. It's a tough dive duty and, you know, tough to get in. They have to maneuver their way through the ship. The rescues that I mentioned with the Coast Guard, sometimes they have cut right through the hull. Granted they have been able to send people in and get people out from ships. But it's tough. It's dangerous. They have lost rescuers that way. But, you know, that's the only hope at this point is to go and get them out or go through the hull.
[Cuomo:] Ferry is a misleading term. This is a 500-foot-long ship. It's like a cruise ship. How does something this big go down so fast, so fast that they have to have people jump off for their lives?
[Schiavo:] Well, because of the speed and because of the sound that had been reported by a couple ear witnesses, it leads me to think, based on previous ferry boat accidents, that it must have had a breach in the hull, that it struck something under water, which means it was probably out of the channel, because those channels are well maintained in major shipping lanes. And that would explain when you have an engine fire, an engine explosion, you usually don't have that kind of scenario. You often have, you know, that's probably the second most commonplace thing is to have something explode or a fire in the engine room. But that doesn't usually breach the hull. That causes other problems on the ship. So one would assume, based on prior ferry accidents, that it hit something. And then for the water to come in that quickly, you would suspect one of my first suspects to go check out would be those big ferry doors through which the vehicles enter the ship.
[Cuomo:] Now, they have cranes that are coming. They believe they're able to salvage this ship, which is amazing to hear. But they're not going to be there in any amount of time to help with the rescue. So this really comes down to what they're able to perform in those boats through the darkness, right? Time's against them.
[Schiavo:] Right. Right. In the boats through the darkness either divers getting on the ship and going through the various passageways of the ship, or literally going through the hull of the ship. If they're intent on salvaging it and then redeploying the ship, refloating the ship, I don't know if they'll go through the hull or not. That might be a you know, they may not want that. But to search for survivors, I would certainly think that you'd want to try to do that.
[Cuomo:] All right, Mary, thank you again.
[Schiavo:] Thank you.
[Cuomo:] Once again, we have a rescue operation going on where there are hundreds of families waiting for word on loved ones. This time many of them believed to be teenagers. Kate.
[Bolduan:] All right, Chris, thank you. Coming up next on NEW DAY, Ukraine's dissent toward possible war. Is there a peaceful way out at this point? A former U.S. assistant secretary of state joining us next to discuss.

[Costello:] A promo for a new TV show is so steamy and so sexy, some people were outraged by it. So, a warning, if you find these kind of images offensive or if you have kids in the room, you might want to turn away. The big problem, the sultry ad aired during ABC's "Good Morning America" at 8:00 in the morning when kids could be watching television. OK, so, there you have it. One mom saw this air with her kids in the room at 8:00 in the morning and she was in a state of disbelief, so she snapped a photo of the nude scene off the TV and posted it on to her Facebook page and the steamy picture was removed from Facebook because it violated Facebook's policies. Now, it's the subject on her blog. This mom says she's fighting for change and has filed a complaint with the FCC. That mom is named Rebeca Seitz and she joins us now from Naples, Florida. She's also a Christian entertainment agent, publicist and novelist. Good morning, Rebeca.
[Rebeca Seitz, Christian Entertainment Agent & Publicist:] Good morning. Thank you so much for having me.
[Costello:] Thank you for being here. So, you're sitting there in the morning with your kids and this ad appears and what do you do?
[Seitz:] I panicked first because I quickly turned and I saw that my son's eyes had gone wide. And I quickly got him out of the room and I rewound it because I thought there is simply no way we saw what we just saw. So, I will rewind and see what it actually is and then I'll be able to explain he didn't see what he thinks he just saw and then I rewound and saw and I saw, no, no, it was exactly what we thought it was. So, I snapped the picture.
[Costello:] So, just to be clear, you don't object to this being on television, you object to this being on television at 8:00 in the morning.
[Seitz:] Exactly. I object to the idea that I see this over corn flakes and coffee with my kids nearby. That's what I object to.
[Costello:] So, you post this image on your Facebook, just to generate conversation about it and Facebook removes it?
[Seitz:] It did. I got a notice within 30 minutes of it that said it had been reported and, so, I put that it had been reported on my Facebook and within an hour they took it down and said it violated their community standards. I thought well, right, that's the point. So, a friend of mine is actually the one who said you should put this over on your blog because we all want to talk about it and we can't do so on Facebook.
[Costello:] I'm sure it generated a lot of comments. I'm going to ask you about this. Advertisers use sex to sell all the time on daytime television. Like this commercial from Hardy's. Watch this. Wow. Like I can't even remember what that ad is for. What makes that commercial different from the ABC promo?
[Seitz:] Well, the big thing for me was that commercials like what you just aired, those typically happen in primetime. I'm a parent who chooses to not allow my children to see those images. So, I don't plop my children down in front of the television during primetime. This was at 8:26 in the morning. I didn't have the choice to turn the television off because I had no idea that it was coming. When you aired the promo right then for the show, you said, hey, if you have children in the room and you don't want them to see this, you might want them to leave the room. I didn't have the option, it was just there.
[Costello:] OK, have you heard from ABC? Because I know you reached out.
[Seitz:] I did. I called the pr director for the "Betrayal" show and she said to me was very quickly, she said, I'm not responsible for it. I did see that you had done an interview about it and put it on your blog and so, I let other people know and I'm going on vacation.
[Costello:] We also reached out to ABC and haven't heard back so there you have it. Rebeca Seitz, thank you for being with us this morning, we appreciate it.
[Seitz:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Still ahead in
[Newsroom:] the latest bombshell from Edward Snowden. How the NSA violated the privacy of Americans like you, thousands of times per year.

[Blitzer:] All right. This just in to the SITUATION ROOM. Police dashcam video, their confrontation with George Zimmerman yesterday in Lake Mary, Florida. You can see him being ordered to the ground then an officer walks up and handcuffs him. Zimmerman's estranged wife had called 911 and says Zimmerman threatened her father and her with a gun. Police say no weapon was found. Zimmerman has not been charged. He was acquitted in the July death acquitted in July in the death of Trayvon Martin. We'll get back to our special report "Crisis in Syria" in just a moment. But first, a pretty shocking realization for a man just waking up from surgery. He's married. Here's CNN's Jeanne Moos.
[Jeanne Moos, Cnn Special Correspondent:] He seemed to be waking up after a hernia operation, eating a cracker when his eyes focused on the woman beside his bed.
[Jason Mortensen, Husband Forgot His Wife:] Did the doctor send you? Man, you are eye candy.
[Moos:] The prettiest woman he's ever seen, he said.
[Candice Mortensen, Jason's Wife:] My name's Candice. I'm your wife.
[J. Mortensen:] You're my wife?
[C. Mortensen:] Yes.
[J. Mortensen:] Holy
[Moos:] The YouTube video "Entitled Seeing Her for the First Time Again" has women gushing. "That time when you laugh and cry in your cub at the same watching a video at lunch."
[J. Mortensen:] Do we have children yet?
[C. Mortensen:] Not yet.
[J. Mortensen:] Man, have we kissed yet?
[Moos:] Even female co-hosts were smitten over how smitten Jason Mortensen was.
[Unidentified Female:] Whatever he's on
[Moos:] Some skeptics cried fake. When we got hold of the love struck husband on the phone, and he assured us it was all true. He gave us the name and number of his doctor to verify the surgery. [Voice-over] American Fork Hospital in Utah confirmed that Dr. Paul Robinson performed surgery on Jason back on August 21st. Jason says his wife Candace has been by his side through five surgeries in the six years they've been married, but who's counting?
[J. Mortensen:] How long have we been married?
[C. Mortensen:] A long time.
[J. Mortensen:] My god. I hit the jackpot.
[Moos:] Not since the YouTube video "David After the Dentist."
[Unidentified Male:] Is this real life? Yes, this is real life.
[Moos:] Has a sedated person awakened such interest on the Web.
[J. Mortensen:] Whoa, your teeth are perfect.
[Moos:] Jason told me on the phone that he was a little reluctant to post the video, because for one thing he didn't like that he swore.
[J. Mortensen:] Holy
[Moos:] Something he doesn't usually do. Blame it on the anesthesia. [Voice-over] Might as well blame this on it, too.
[J. Mortensen:] Turn around.
[C. Mortensen:] No.
[Moos:] Responded one poster, "Turn around. Men are all the same even when they're all doped up, LOL." But not many guys get to experience love at first sight. Twice. Jeanne Moos,
[Cnn. J. Mortensen:] You're my wife?
[Moos:] New York.

[Blitzer:] A desperate race against time for thousands of firefighters battling a massive wildfire threatening Yosemite National Park. The raging Rim Fire has now ravaged close to 180,000 acres and is barely contained. CNN's Casey Wian got an up close look at the inferno. He's joining us now from Groveland, California with the latest. What are you seeing over there Casey?
[Casey Wian, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, we've seen a lot of hot spots that are still burning in this area surrounding Yosemite National Park. We did get a very up close view earlier today. I went there with photographer David Lake, my producer, Jack Hannah. We got uncomfortably close to some of those flames. I think you can see the pictures right now. One of the biggest issues right now, these giant trees that have been damaged, but not knocked down by the fire. They are called snags. That's what firefighters call them. They're a big danger for firefighters. Where we were, we heard several of them fall, perhaps four or five of them crash to the ground. That's one of the big challenges that firefighters are facing. Let's listen to what one official had to say about that.
[Johnny Miller, Pio, Rim Incident:] One of the biggest concerns is that, obviously, you see these large trees out here. So we have a lot of those trees that are dropping. They're falling in isolated areas. So our firefighters really have to be heads-up while they're out there, putting water on the fire. They have to be looking up, looking down, looking around, making sure that their all their safety points are in check.
[Wian:] Now, you can see over my shoulder some of the damage that this fire has already caused. As you mentioned, 180,000 acres have burned in this area. We're showing you a live picture right now, where you can see the visibility is not very bad. Four or five hours ago, you couldn't see 100 yards down into this canyon. There is an inversion layer that comes in in the morning and holds the smoke into these valleys and canyons. And it absolutely is choking very, very difficult to breathe in the mornings. And that's happening almost every day now. The good news, though, is that humidity that causes this smoke to stay down in these areas is actually helping firefighters manage this firefighting effort better. There's also some more good news. Yosemite National Park itself, Wolf, only about 3 percent of the park has burned. So the valley that so many people are familiar with, where all those landmarks are and all that scenery is, that, officials say, is still safe for visitors Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Let's hope it stays like that. Casey Wian on the front lines for us. Thanks very much. Coming up, Senator John McCain shares what he's hearing about an apparently looming U.S. military strike on Syria. Plus, cars that drive themselves. One auto maker plans to start selling them in just a few years.

[Martin Savidge, Cnn Anchor:] Hello. I'm Martin Savidge in for Fredricka Whitfield, and let's just bring you up-to-date on what this conversation is all about. A passenger jet carrying 162 people is now missing in Southeast Asia. And here is what we know at the moment. The officials searched at sea has been suspended for AirAsia 8501 because of darkness. It is the middle of the night, their local time. The area is a very busy shipping channel, though. And some ships that are in that area continue to comb the waters off of Indonesia. But a full blown search is now on hold until daylight returns to that area, and that is still some hours off. The airbus A320-200 left Indonesia around 5:30 in the morning, local time. It was bound for Singapore. That is not a long flight. Indonesian officials say that at one point the captain asked to climb to a higher altitude apparently to avoid heavy storms. The plane disappeared from radar while flying at around 38,000 feet and almost the entire flight was to be conducted over water. Families, as you can only begin to imagine, are desperate for any sign of what may have happened to this plane. There were no Americans on board, but the NTSB is monitoring the wags situation from here in the United States and says it is prepared to assist if that request comes in. Almost all the passengers on board are Indonesian nationals and they include 18 children. This situation is unfolding less than ten months after Malaysian airline flight went missing from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. And we know despite a massive international search effort, there is still no trace of that aircraft or the 239 people who were on board. So let me go now to correspondent Andrew Stevens who is standing by in Surabaya, Indonesia. And that's where this missing jet originally took off from en route to Singapore, and where reporters are now waiting at a crisis center to get any updates. That's at a name airport terminal. And Andrew, what are we hearing from authorities there?
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] We're really just now waiting for the daylight hours, Martin, so the search can take off. There is going to be a much, much bigger presence. The Indonesians have seven vessels, two helicopters. And Malaysia is also sending three vessels down. Singapore is sending an aircraft down, a surveillance aircraft. And Australia has also offered to send us. We're not sure at this stage whether the Indonesians are going to accept that offer or not, Martin. But, what we're being told by the national transportation safety authority here is that the most likely area where this plane may have come down is going to be basically gritted off into four separate search areas, and the search will commence at first light. And this is obviously the next step. What actually happened, it is still a mystery at the moment. That there have been unconfirmed reports of wreckage being spotted. Indonesian authorities have said they haven't had any reports. They haven't seen anything that suggested there is wreckage out there. So that one has been denied. And meanwhile, the families are here in Surabaya. They are also in Singapore where that flight was due to land. And just one very small story, Martin. I've spoken about this before, but it's so tragic. There are young girls, young teenagers who have arrived in the last hour or so. They are friends, and they both going to school in Singapore. They are Indonesian girls. Both sets of parents were on that flight. They were actually going up to join their daughters for festivities, new year's festivities in Singapore. Of course, that flight never arrived. The girls have now come down chaperoned by members from the school, and their own family here in Indonesia. But to try and find out what's happened. It's just tragic stories. I didn't speak to us. We spoke to family members just to find out what was going on. And they just look the world, that they looked shocked. And you can't imagine what they're going through at the moment. These young teenage girls with both sets of parents on that plane, Martin.
[Savidge:] Andrew Stevens, thank you very much for that poignant observation. CNN aviation correspondent Rene Marsh is live in Washington. And Rene, you have been in touch with both airbus since
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation And Government Regulation Correspondent:] Right. And we know that this particular aircraft that we are talking about involved in this incident is a relatively new aircraft. It was delivered in 2008 of October. So it's was just over six years old. We know the flight time about 23,000 flight hours. So this is a well-traveled aircraft. When we talk about the A320, it is often referred to as the work horse of commercial aviation. And it makes a lot of sense because this has a lot of wretch when we talk about how many millions of flights this particular family of aircraft has made. We also, Martin, have been in touch with authorities here in the United States. Just to see what kind of role they could possibly play in all of this. In my conversation with the NTSB this morning, they say that they are actively monitoring this situation. They say that the lines of communication very much open between the NTSB as well as the manufacturer airbus as well as French authorities. French investigators which is essentially the equivalent of the NTSB there. They're also in conversations with the Indonesians who where most likely lead this investigation. But it's fair to say that the NTSB will not have an extremely prominent role. They say that they areal ready and willing to assist if anyone has any technical needs or needs any mechanic advice. However, we expect that the French authorities will have a more prominent role here for a couple of reasons. This aircraft was manufactured. It is a product, essentially, of France, is manufactured there. That is where airbus is based. No U.S. citizens onboard this flight. So it makes sense for the French authorities to take the lead on this one.
[Savidge:] Right. But just as point of reference, it is an aircraft that used widely by American air carriers, correct?
[Marsh:] Absolutely, it is. But as far as investigation goes, and usually what protocol is, is the entity in which they have some sort of interest at stake here. If we had a U.S. citizen on board or if this was a Boeing manufactured plane without a doubt we believe the NTSB would have a more prominent role because that is not the case in this situation. We expect investigators, the French investigators, to have a more prominent role. But to be clear, and to your point, this just speaks to why this investigation is so important. Because there are, as we speak, more than 6,000 of these sort of aircraft flying in the air. That includes flights overseas as well as U.S. carriers. So it's imperative that they figure out what caused the issue that we're seeing here, why this plane did not land at the time it was supposed to land with thousands of others in the air, they want to get down to the nitty-gritty of is this an issue that could play out on another aircraft or was it something else? So this is why it is so crucial to get to the bottom of what caused this.
[Savidge:] Right. Thanks for bringing that point home. Rene Marsh, thanks. CNN international meteorologist Tom Sater joins us now from the CNN weather center. And Tom, what was the weather like across the region? What's it like right now, I guess, is the really the important question.
[Tom Sater, Cnn International Meteorologist:] Yes. Well, we still have thunderstorms, Martin, in the region. But when it comes to our planet, there isn't an area or a region in the world that are seeing worse weather than Malaysia, Indonesia, and southern Thailand. It's been this way for a month. When you think about thunderstorms that are strong, maybe dropping two or three inches, this inter tropical convergence zone, there's Malaysia and Indonesia, it's dropping two feet. Three feet of rain in just two to three days. That's an entire month's worth of rain in two or three days. And in the next week, it does it again. Here in Surabaya to the south, Surabaya, and you got Singapore to the north. So this is mainly your flight path. And this is an active current conditions. So we are starting and continuing to see flight that are moving. If you are wondering the time zone from the east coast to the U.S., 12 hours ahead of us. So right now, it's just after 2:00 p.m. It's about just after 2:00 a.m. in the morning. So they are still in darkness. Twenty-four hour thunderstorm is developing. Take a look at this one right. Can you see that large area of red, the brighter colors are the higher and colder cloud top. So, did the pilot taking off from Surabaya, have a problem with that thunderstorm there? Let's look at the time we lost contact. It is very possible, and this is just speculation, taking off from Surabaya, these cloud tops speculating to be somewhere around 50,000 to 53,000 feet high. That's tremendous height. They cannot fly through this. Did he encounter turbulence here, getting to an area to recover, only to find himself in another thunderstorm cluster. That's what we do not know. But this is currently where we believe we have lost contact. Notice this little island here in Palao. We are going to take a look at that region. Also, we are going to look at what the pilots see. This is a pilot briefing chart. These areas of red are turbulence where pilots should avoid. As we get in closer on the edge of your screen here, our auto going to see just on the edge, this is our area of concern. Notice it's covered in red, and it says occasional embedded thunderstorms up to 53,000 feet. Isolated and embedded up to 50,000 feet. So they were flying in the embedded zone. When it comes to the height, and we believe the last report, this is an estimate
[Savidge:] Tom Sater, a great breakdown for us. Thanks very much. Joining me now is our aviation correspondent Richard Quest. Also joining us former pilot Les Abend, and on the phone from the United Kingdom is air traffic control expert Philip Butterworth-Hayes. Philip, I'll start with you. We know that there were heavy storms in the area at the time this plane went missing, and it appears that is a key initial factor in trying to understand, correct?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] Yes. And that is where any investigation will begin. And until they find the wreckage and the black boxes, or and they are analyzed, then you're left with what you know so far. And what we know is that there was these storms, that the pilot requested a higher altitude. We know also from other sources that it looks as though they were flying quite slowly at the time. And Les Abend will be able to give us much more indication about the difficulties of climbing from 32,000 to 38,000 feet quite quickly when the envelope of safety is really on the speed I really quite small at that particular point. Those are the starting points. But an investigation takes months, if not many, many, months. And therefore, for the time being, the only thing we can do is wait while the asset gets only on to the sea in to the air to find the wreckages. It is going to be a I wouldn't say I'm relatively optimistic, but they will find something relatively quickly because it's not that deep of water, and the
[Savidge:] OK. And Philip, before I turn to Les, Indonesian air traffic control lost contact early this morning after flight 8501 requested a deviation due to weather. Based on last known coordinates of the plane and what kind of information I suppose is it that air traffic control can use to project or maybe help those searching on the water?
[Philip Butterworth-hayes, Editorial Director, Pmi Media:] The most important one is radar track. And I'm guessing there will be four different radars
[Savidge:] And also, in your work, you managed to or you managed, rather, an air cargo charter service from the U.K., with MH-370 we learn, and many of us that didn't know that that there are parts of the world where planes are almost out of communication. Are there parts of the world where it's easier for planes to disappear off the radar and run up against adverse weather at the same time?
[Butterworth-hayes:] I'm afraid so. I mean, even over land, even through parts of, say, the Sahara and Africa, it's very difficult to track an aircraft because there is no radar and there is nothing on the ground there. So it's like flying over an ocean.
[Savidge:] OK. Thank you both very much. Richard Quest, thank you as well. I know you're all going to be part of this conversation as the day wears on. In the meantime, we're going to take a break and be back with the very latest information we have as our coverage continues.

[Whitfield:] All right, it was a visit that caught a lot of people off guard and has new video to show it, America's top military leader, General Martin Dempsey, making a surprise visit to Baghdad. This comes as the U.S. prepares to expand its assistance to Iraqi and Kurdish forces fighting ISIS on the ground. Arwa Damon, CNN's senior international correspondent, joining me now from Turkey. So Arwa, do we know what the agenda is for the general?
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, he's already met with the Iraqi prime minister. His office putting out a statement that they spoke about the progress Iraqi Security Forces had made and that they also spoke about what needed to be done to try to ultimately defeat ISIS. He's also met with the American commanders that are currently on the ground. General Dempsey's mission is quite vital at this stage. The U.S., in the past, had grossly underestimated the capabilities of ISIS, hence their speedy advance throughout northern Iraq over the summer that took everyone by surprise. The U.S. had also overestimated, perhaps, the capacities of the Iraqi Security Forces and their cohesiveness, prior to the full U.S. troop withdrawal. General Dempsey is a man who knows Iraq very well. Initially, as the commander of the first armored division in the early years of the war, and then he, himself, headed up, [inaudible], the multi-national transitional forces Iraq unit that effectively was in charge of training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces. So he knows the country pretty well. He knows the players pretty well. And the U.S., at this point, cannot afford to see the mistakes of the past be repeated, hence his need to be in Iraq to make that initial assessment firsthand.
[Whitfield:] And Arwa, this is what General Dempsey told CNN before his visit and on the other side, we'll talk about it.
[General Martin Dempsey, Joint Chiefs Chairman:] We need to develop a ground campaign. We've got an air campaign that's ongoing. We need to integrate into that a ground campaign. We need to be able to put pressure on ISIL from multiple directions simultaneously. We need to continue to restore the capability, training and equipping of the Iraqi Security Forces and the Peshmerga. We need to keep pressure on ISIL in its safe haven inside Syria. We need to build up a Syrian opposition to confront that. And we need a bit of patience.
[Whitfield:] So, Arwa, do we know what the interpretation there in Iraq I know you're in Turkey, but what the interpretation in Iraq might be when the general says, you know, stepping up of this ground campaign.
[Damon:] Well, look, the main focus here, as far as anyone understands, is to try to get the Iraqi Security Forces to actually do the job that they were trained to do. And that is to be able to effectively push ISIS out of its stronghold and then for them to be able to hold and secure the territory. The sense in Iraq, though, is that all of this will be something of a moot point if those political pillars are not put into place. And by that, I mean, the real need for the Shia-led government in Baghdad to reach out to those Sunni tribes. General Dempsey's assessment of what needs to be done is, of course, spot-on, but how that translates and what other steps are needed in parallel, that's going to be something that is really going to lie in the political spectrum. This is not something that can be accomplished militarily. Dempsey, of course, given his history in Iraq is very well aware of that. The question is whether or not the U.S. can put the needed pressure on the Iraqi government in Baghdad and whether or not the government in Baghdad can genuinely reach out to those Sunni tribes. Look, they've made pretty significant moves so far. The government has begun arming the Sunni tribes, something that they have been asking for, for quite some time now. Remember, it was the Sunni tribes that rose up against what was al Qaeda back in 2007, 2008. That then allowed for the tides to be turned back then. So there is this realization that it's going to have to be a multi- tiered effort before even beginning to talk about defeating an entity like ISIS Fredricka.
[Whitfield:] All right, Arwa Damon, thanks you so much, on the border there in Turkey. Meantime, Russian President Vladimir Putin getting a very chilly reception at the meeting of the G20 Summit. Leaders of the world's most powerful nations in Brisbane, Australia, for the summit have been blasting Putin over Russia's aggression in Ukraine. Jim Acosta is traveling with the president Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Fred, this headline in this newspaper here in Australia really says it all. It says, ice cold war, and it shows the Russian bear duking it out with the Australian kangaroo. You know, it's really been the G19 plus one, very isolated Vladimir Putin at this G20 Summit. The Russian president has gotten the cold shoulder from many of the leaders here in Brisbane. The summit's host, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott sent only low-level officials to greet Putin at the airport. Aides to Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper, say he told Putin, "I guess, I'll shake your hand, but you need to get out of Ukraine, and we did see President Obama walking into dinner with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, deep in conversation. And in the video, you can hear the words cease-fire, and the president piled on Putin earlier in the day, mentioning the downing of Malaysian Flight 17 and vowing that the U.S. will continue to take on a lead role in standing up to Russia. Here's what the president had to say.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] We're leading and dealing with Ebola in West Africa and in opposing Russia's aggression against Ukraine, which is a threat to the world, as we saw in the appalling shoot down of MH-17, a tragedy that took so many innocent lives, among them your fellow citizens. As your ally and friend, America shares the grief of these Australian families, and we share the determination of your nation for justice and accountability.
[Acosta:] Russia created a stir at this summit by positioning some naval ships off of the Australian coast. Moscow said they were in the area for Putin's security, but Australia responded by sending its own warships to keep an eye on the Russians. Besides Putin, there are other big topics at this summit, such as Ebola, with the G20 leaders, releasing a joint statement encouraging nations who haven't joined the fight against the deadly virus to start doing so. And the battle against ISIS is also a top priority. Something President Obama will be discussing with leaders from Australia and Japan tomorrow. The president will end this trip with a news conference before heading back to Washington Fred.
[Whitfield:] All right, thank you so much, Jim Acosta. All right, the cold war may have ended a quarter of a century ago, but tensions are indeed high between western powers and Vladimir Putin's Russia, and plans for Russian bombers to patrol near U.S. coastlines, it's raising those tensions. Plus, the man who says he killed Osama Bin Laden sits down with CNN's Jake Tapper. That's straight ahead.

[Unidentified Female:] You don't get to
[Unidentified Male:] Soldiers overseas, I respect your organizer service but I'm a veteran and you're endangering our fellow soldiers!
[Kaye:] Protesters and counter-protesters faced off at a rally outside a Phoenix mosque that was holding a draw Muhammad cartoon contest. Police separated the groups afraid of violence. A similar event in Garland, Texas, earlier this month ended in gunfire. There, police shot dead two armed ISIS sympathizers who tried to attack that gathering. A decision is expected Monday on the fate of those five high-level Taliban detainees swapped in a prisoner exchange with the U.S. The Taliban members were traded for Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl last year. The agreement between U.S. and Qatar imposed a one-year travel ban, which officially ends at the end of the month. Global affairs correspondent, Elise Labott now on what could happen next.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Global Affairs Correspondent:] Well, under the agreement the five Taliban detainees have been monitored by the Qatari government for one year and banned from traveling outside the country. Now, the State Department is leading separate negotiations with both the governments of Qatar and Afghanistan about what happens next. U.S. officials say there are a few options in play. Now the U.S. prefers they stay in Qatar where they will be monitored. The five have brought their families there and now total amounts 70 among them. The other options could see the five returning to Afghanistan either be released or monitored by the Afghan government. Now, the Qatari say they will not expand the restrictions on the five, nor will they send them home to Afghanistan, if they don't want to leave Qatar. So, none of these are great options. These are five pretty high-ranking Taliban officials. At least one has tried to communicate with Taliban militants back home since arriving in Qatar raising questions about whether the lives of Afghans, Americans, and U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan would be at risk. Republican lawmakers were upset with a deal in the first place and now they are calling on the Obama administration to make sure the five are not set free. Elise Labott, CNN, Washington.
[Kaye:] Still on the way, it is nine days and counting since the Duggars' world was upended by a sex scandal. Next, the possible fate of the family's hit reality show.

[Blackwell:] Very soon in Arizona, it could be legal for businesses to refuse service to gays on the basis of freedom of religion. The bill already passed the house and the senate and it now goes to Governor Jan Brewer to sign. She has not said what she will do. But similar legislation was brought up last week in Kansas. That bill was now dead in the Senate. But the list goes on. It has come up in six more states. Ohio, Mississippi, Idaho, South Dakota, Tennessee, Oklahoma. We have seen a wave of cases that had pitted religious conservatives against same-sex supporters. And one of them in Colorado, where two years ago, a couple wanted to buy a wedding cake, but they were refused service when the bakery's owner found out that they were gay. Now the owner's attorney, Nicole Martin, she joins us. She's on the phone with us. We have in front of the camera, Robert Boston, director of communications at Americans United for Separation of Church and State. It is good to have both of you.
[Robert Boston, Director Of Communications, American United For Separation Of Church And State:] Thank you. NICOLE MARTIN
[Blackwell:] Hey, Nicole, let's start with you. The judge sided with the couple in this. Tell us where does this case stand now and take a few seconds to explain your legal argument.
[Martin:] Well, what is important for your viewers to understand is that my client Jack Phillips serves everyone in the community. He always has. He just does not serve all events or communicate all messages. Everyone can agree, Victor, that a wedding cake is quantitatively different than a box of brownies. It's special. It is an iconic symbol of marriage and that it says something. And so because it says something, it is protected under the first amendment. Our very first freedom. The cornerstone of everything that America holds dear. It really isn't America any more if the government can force you under the threat of jail and fines to speak a message that is deeply at odds with your conscience.
[Blackwell:] All right. Robert, what is wrong with that? I mean, this country was founded on religious freedoms. What is wrong with what she just said?
[Boston:] Well, I really think that this is an attempt to take the shabby doctrine of discrimination and bigotry and dress it up in the noble garment of religious freedom. We have public accommodation laws in this country. And in the state of Colorado, gays and lesbians are protected by those laws. Well I think some religious conservatives are after here really is a new attempt at Jim Crowe. Back in the days when certain couldn't eat in restaurants or stay in hotels, get served by businesses. We moved way beyond that. I think it is kind of sad that we have these situations now where people are saying, I'm not going to serve you at my business because I don't like your lifestyle. It hasn't worked in court so far and I don't think it's going to be ultimately successful.
[Blackwell:] What about that as you heard from Robert that there are many people who see this, Nicole, as a way to just discriminate. I mean what stops your client or any baker or personal who owns a bridal shop or hair salon to put a sign in front of their window if the Arizona law is passed and signed into law, that just says, no service in celebration of same-sex unions.
[Martin:] The law shouldn't be stopping people from posting free speech in their businesses that's protected under the first amendment. Frankly, I find
[Blackwell:] So you believe they should have the right to be able to put up the sign that says no service to any celebration of same-sex union?
[Martin:] If it is based on their deeply-held religious beliefs, if it's based in the first amendment. Absolutely. And that's what happened in my case.
[Boston:] What's next a sign up saying we don't serve Muslims or atheists? That is fundamentally at odds with America and the values that we believe in.
[Martin:] I find the comparison to Jim Crowe laws, I find it obscene. These bills expand freedom for everybody.
[Boston:] They expand freedom
[Blackwell:] Hold on. Let her finish, Robert. Go ahead, Nicole.
[Martin:] Every one is still free to live their lives as they choose. These bills protect that right. Let me tell you why let me give you a glimpse into why you are seeing a
[Blackwell:] Nicole, I've got to ask you a question. I know we are running on time. But I got to get this question in, your legal strategy from what I understand, your client is Christian. He believes in the bible. He considers, I believe it was Leviticus 18:22 that says "Though shall not lie with mankind as with womankind. It's an abomination." So to serve that same-sex couple would be contrary to the word of the bible. OK. Let me then go to another portion of the bible. Again, it is not moral. It is the legal argument. James, 2:8-11 which says "If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, you should love your neighbor as yourself you do well. But if you show partiality, you commit a sin and convicted as transgressors but whoever shall keep the whole law and yet stumble at one point, he is guilty of all. So again, not moral, but legally. If your basis of our argument is that your client believes in the words of that bible, is there not a huge legal vulnerability, maybe even a strong legal counterpoint that that Bible which he holds as the reason he should not serve them, not only says that god impartial, and also that he is compelled to serve him, and to do otherwise would be a sin. Isn't that case a bit vulnerable?
[Martin:] I don't think so. First of all, Victor, I'm not a theologian. But what I do know is that Jesus loves all, no matter who they are. No matter what they do. But I'm pretty sure that the savior of all mankind didn't come down and die on the cross for our salvation so that we could participate in the sin of others. You know, we have the government has compelling interest in making sure nobody goes to that wedding reception or that wedding celebration and throws stones. But the government does not have a compelling interest to make sure that we participate in that wedding or that celebration.
[Blackwell:] Let me get Robert in very quickly because I have gone well over time. But Robert, let me ask you this. Which protections would you be OK with? Are there any protections that you would support?
[Boston:] Well, houses of worship have the right to decide who they admit as members, who they'll give the sacraments to. That is secure under the first amendment of the constitution. But when you open a business, you must meet the public accommodation laws which means you must serve the public. If you are not willing to serve the public, simple answer, don't open a business.
[Blackwell:] All right. Nicole Martin, Robert Boston. Thank you so much for the conversation. We will take a break. We'll be right back.
[Martin:] Thank you.

[Unidentified Male:] It's around here somewhere. Oh, yes. Oh, geez.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning and welcome once again to NEW DAY. It is 8:00 in the East. As you saw right there, northeastern Nebraska dealing with the grim aftermath of catastrophic storms, including rare twin tornadoes. The twisters destroying more than half of the town of Pilger, leaving two people dead at least, including a 5-year-old child. Indra Petersons is there for us. Indra, first light is finally coming up, what's the very latest on the ground?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] You know, residents here obviously used to seeing tornadoes, but what they are not used to is seeing two large violent tornadoes on the ground for over an hour with a direct hit right at their town. This morning, about 50 if not 75 percent of this town is completely leveled. We just spoke to the sheriff just a few minutes ago and he said the entire business district this morning completely wiped out. The fire station, wiped out. About 40 to 50 homes completely leveled down to the ground. That is what they're dealing with here this morning. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case many places in the Midwest. They were talking about similar stories around Wisconsin, Iowa and Nebraska.
[Unidentified Male:] Let's move, guys.
[Petersons:] An incredible outbreak of deadly tornadoes tearing through northeastern Nebraska Monday resulting in a rare and stunning sight.
[Unidentified Male:] Where has that happened before?
[Petersons:] Storm chasers capturing not one by two massive tornadoes side by side on the ground ripping through the town of Pilger.
[Unidentified Male:] That's a town,
[Petersons:] The twin tornadoes surprising even the storm chasers who shot the video.
[Ben Mcmillan, Storm Chaser:] Two possibly three. I've never seen anything like this. This is just very, very dangerous.
[Reed Timmer, Storm Chaser:] This is definitely the first time I've seen two tornadoes like that that violent on the same storm.
[Petersons:] They will resume searching through the rubble today, but so far no one is unaccounted for. The governor of Nebraska issuing a state of emergency, putting the National Guard on standby. The storm carved a path of destruction 25 to 30 miles long, leveling homes, farms and schools over three counties. The small town of Pilger, the hardest hit.
[Unidentified Female:] Whole blocks of houses are destroyed.
[Unidentified Male:] I got to see something today I wish I never would have seen.
[Petersons:] The funnel clouds expanding nearly a mile wide, powerfully churning up the ground below.
[Unidentified Male:] Oh look at the little water
[Petersons:] Tossed around by the sheer force of the winds, estimated up to 200 miles per hour in each tornado. Sirens blaring, warning residents to get underground as the twister barreled through nearby Wisner.
[Unidentified Male:] The kind of storms you need to be underground to survive. Keep moving fast!
[Petersons:] Another storm chaser caught the same twin tornadoes devastating this farm around Wakefield.
[Unidentified Male:] They are merging. They are going to merge.
[Petersons:] Before merging into one colossal funnel. All the residents here, about 350 of them, did take refuge in a Red Cross shelter in Wisner nearby. They have not been allowed to return here yet this morning. It does seem they'll be allowed to come back this morning and this is the sight they'll be looking at. Six if not seven blocks of their town completely wiped out. Now, the sheriff did ask us to get the message out for no volunteer groups or rescue groups to come in today. What they want to do is allow these residents to come home, pick up their pieces and start building their lives. Just keep in mind a lot these of residents, the only people they really have as their neighbors are in the exact same situation today. So, really the first step is pick up the pieces. The next step is what do they do from here Chris.
[Cuomo:] That's exactly right. In those small towns it's even harder. They have less resources, less people to rely on so the need is even greater in some ways. We will stay on that story. It's good to have her on the scene. So, it was only one game, right? We don't want to get crazy about the World Cup, but what a huge game it was in the 86th minute of the opening World Cup against Ghana. Ghana beat them the last time. This was huge. John Brooks uses his head, thinking perfect header shot, off the ground bounce. Takes the goalie by surprise. Wins the game. Twenty- one years old German American making history becoming the first ever substitute player to score for the U.S. in World Cup play. Next up for the Americans, Portugal on Sunday. But, oh, boy, do they have some great momentum. CNN's Lara Baldesarra is live in Natal, Brazil. It's great to have you, Laura. Big win. Didn't look like it was going to go that way but they won and that's all that matters.
[Lara Baldesarra, Cnn Correspondent:] No, it certainly didn't, Chris. This was a game that was so, so crucial for the USA. This was a must- win game for them because they're in a very difficult group, the group of death. Next up like you said is Portugal and then we have Germany. If the USA did not win this game, it didn't do too well for their chances to make it out of this group to stay alive in the World Cup. Plus, of course, this was a game of redemption for the USA. They lost to Ghana in the past two World Cups so they wanted a little payback and it started right away in last night's game.
[Baldesarra:] The USA couldn't have asked for a better start. Just 29 seconds in and Clint Dempsey opened with a big goal.
[Unidentified Male:] One of the earliest goals in World Cup finals history.
[Baldesarra:] A shocking beginning, it was the fifth fastest goal in World Cup history. The Team USA crowds in the stadium and back home, they simply erupted.
[Crowd: Usa! Usa! Baldesarra:] It was that kind of support inside the stadium that really lifted this team right from the national anthem.
[Unidentified Male:] Just hearing how loud they were and chanting the whole game. It was just really pushing us on.
[Baldesarra:] But it didn't go completely the Americans' away. Ghana was no pushover, making a comeback late in the game. And with the game tied at 1-1, it was the 21-year-old John Brooks playing in his first ever World Cup that found the winning goal.
[Unidentified Male:] The
[Usa! Baldesarra:] Before the game, he talked about what it's like being on the American national team.
[John Brooks, Team Usa Player:] It was a big dream to come to this team. It's an honor to wear this jersey.
[Baldesarra:] It was a win for the USA that was remarkably hard fought.
[Unidentified Male:] The commitment, the determination, the fight, the mentality. Those things carried us through.
[Baldesarra:] Now, Chris, you saw John Brooks there and you heard him speaking. Clearly he has a bit of an accent and that's because he wasn't actually born in the USA. He is a German American. He has a nice tattoo on his arm showing Germany on one side and Illinois on the other side, which is were his father is from, making him eligible to play for the U.S. men's national theme. He's actually one of five players on this 23-man squad that weren't born in the U.S., seven players in total in the 23 men didn't really grow up in the United States, but, Chris, it really just shows how much of a melting pot this team is. It's really indicative of what the United States of America is.
[Cuomo:] Well said, Lara. Our diversity is our greatest strength. Hopefully, it continues to play out on the field of play. Thank you so much for giving us a beautiful account of what happened against Ghana. Let's hope for the same against Portugal. OK. We want to turn to another big story this morning, the fight for Iraq. It is real and urgent. President Obama spent last night with national security officials discussing how to slow the ISIS fighters quickly taking over the country. The key is Baghdad. Just this morning, eyewitnesses tell CNN, ISIS got within 40 miles of the capital, storming a police station, stealing their weapons, and while the White House weighs options, hundreds of American troops already in Baghdad and the surrounding region. Why? What is their mission? What happens next? Let's get to Michelle Kosinski live at the White House with more. Michelle, what do we know?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Hi, Chris. You know, we've been hearing the same thing pretty much every day, no U.S. boots on the ground, right? So, this might be kind of confusing. But let's lay out exactly what the president is doing here, sending a very small number of troops with a very specific purpose, 275 U.S. soldiers are now in the region. About 175 of those are already in Baghdad. Their job is to protect that U.S. embassy that's already been partially evacuated. Another 100 troops are outside of Iraq but they could be called back in for airfield security if next. Keep in mind more than 500 U.S. Marines are also on standby in the Persian Gulf. We know that an aircraft carrier has been moved there. And back home, President Obama continues to meet with his top White House national security advisers. They are still weighing options. This morning in Iraq, the prime minister met with the U.S. ambassador and the Iraqis are calling that meeting productive, saying there is coordination, but that Iraq is looking for more support Kate.
[Bolduan:] Michelle Kosinski live at the White House for us. It's going to be a busy day there. That is for sure. Michelle, thanks so much. Joining us now to discuss more of what the options are and what's happening on the ground, Christiane Amanpour, CNN's chief international correspondent and the host of CNN International's "Amanpour". Christiane, it's great to see you, as always. So, as Michelle just laid out, the president is still considering his options. I spoke with the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee earlier this morning and he said, Mike Rogers, said that airstrikes have to be an option on the table. But the question is, of course, once you begin that, you need to have a clear end game. Do you have a good sense yet, has the White House, the administration laid out that end game yet?
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] No, but clearly the end game is to beat back ISIS, which is al Qaeda's offshoot, in many ways worse than al Qaeda, and it now has established a statelet, Kate. There is an al Qaeda state in Iraq and straddling parts of Syria, the biggest amount of land this group has ever had. This is a major problem. So, while there's consideration going on about what to do, these people keep moving forward and they are banging on Baghdad's door now. So, it seems to me and certainly it seems to the Iraqis as you can imagine that the first priority must be to beat them back, to stop their advance. And the second priority if it can happen together all the better, but certainly the second priority has to be a political resolution and political unity and political inclusion, because otherwise, most of the country says they have nothing to fight for because they don't believe the government represents them. That's a big problem. Absent those two things happening, it's going to be partitioned of Iraq. And part of Iraq is going to be owned by al Qaeda 12 years after 911. So, this is a really major, major issue here that has to be dealt with by all means necessary. I spoke to the Iraqi ambassador to the United States yesterday and he said in Afghanistan you had one Osama bin Laden. Here you could have 1,000 Osama bin Ladens. That might be a rhetorical flourish, but certainly intelligence officials from the United States to Europe to the region are really, really concerned that this is going to destroy the neighborhood and destroy or deeply damage possibly targets in Europe and in the United States as well.
[Cuomo:] On that question, the very important question of political reconciliation, Christiane, Mike Rogers also said he believes Nouri al Maliki must go. But can the United States, do you think, realistically, push him out? Is there leverage?
[Amanpour:] Well, look, they obviously had a lot more leverage when they had a lot more troops in Iraq. They don't right now. They don't have that big stick or at least that insurance policy that they did have. Whether those troops were combat troops or whether they were troops there to stay to maintain security and keep training the Iraqi forces who clearly were not ready when the United States pulled out. We've seen that over the last week. So, the leverage was when those troops were there. That was the maximum leverage. Not just physically, but also politically. As former Ambassador Ryan Crocker has said, we were there to be the mediator. There were always issues between certainly the Sunnis and the Shiites. The Kurds are pretty much doing their own thing. They practically got not only autonomy, but are carving out their own state up there in the north. But between the Sunnis and the Shiites, the United States at least could be a political broker, and it hasn't been able to play that role and it hasn't been playing that role, at least not to effect, over the last couple of years. So this is, you know, another major issue. So, the U.S. now has to really use all the leverage it has, and it does have leverage because the Iraqis are desperate for some kind of military help. So, that's perhaps some leverage right now.
[Bolduan:] But aren't they also looking at two conflicting time lines? I mean, they have the immediate needs of getting ISIS on its heels and stopping its push forward, but also the concept of political reconciliation. That's no short ordeal.
[Amanpour:] Right. As Mike Rogers said to you, and I alluded to, you have to stop the march of ISIS. It has to happen. Otherwise, forget political reconciliation. There is no reconciliation. With who? So, you have to stop the march of ISIS and you have to concentrate the minds of people like Prime Minister Maliki and others to attempt to get their political house in order. You know, what we've been hearing is that the second thing that we mentioned has to happen before the first thing, but that seems to be a strange way to go about it, according to many of the former military commanders I've spoke to and many of the political leaders. They're just concerned that they need to stop the march of this al Qaeda offshoot and now.
[Bolduan:] It may be an impossible proposition doing the second
[Amanpour:] Absolutely, this and many other of those big existential problems that are around the Middle East and the world right now. Obviously, personal issues too, people wanting to know what her political plans are, but I've been very impressed with the number of questions people want to ask. We don't know all the questions but we know topics people are interested in, and certainly matters of grave national security are on people's minds right now.
[Bolduan:] She has said in her book that she apologizes essentially that she was plain and simply wrong in her vote for the Iraq war. But going further tonight would be an important step to see where her position is, especially if she does become candidate Hillary Clinton. Great to see you, Christiane.
[Amanpour:] Thanks, Kate.
[Bolduan:] We're all going to be watching this evening. Thank you so much. A reminder to our viewers, Christiane is hosting CNN'S global town hall with Hillary Clinton. She's going to be taking your questions. Christiane will be moderating and following up. That's tonight live at 5:00 Eastern, again, 9:00 p.m. Eastern here on
[Cnn. Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Let's take a look at more of your headlines. Sixteen minutes after the hour. Another major blow for General Motors, recalling 3.4 million more vehicles Monday addressing problems with faulty ignition switches. The problem, though, is different from an earlier ignition defect tied to 13 deaths, which the company knew about over a decade before they issued a recall in February. This morning, G.M. says the same engineer signed off on both designs. Another 41 Palestinians have been detained as Israel searches for three teens abducted last week. That brings the total now to more than 200 arrests. Israel blames the terror group Hamas for kidnapping the teenagers, which includes an American. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says there will be grave consequences for those responsible. A suspect is behind bars this morning in the fatal shooting at a Catholic Church in Phoenix. Police say this man, Gary Moran, admitted to involvement in the crime. Moran was identified by DNA evidence found at the scene. Father Kenneth Walker, just 29 years old, was shot to death; 56-year-old Father Joseph Terra was severely beaten with a metal rod. Police call it a burglary gone bad. President Obama will be in Pittsburgh today, highlighting technological developments as part of his emphasis on the economy. The president will visit a workshop designed to give entrepreneurs, inventors and creators the space and resources to develop ideas and create manufacturing jobs here in the U.S. He'll also stop in New York for a to attend a fund-raising dinner for the Democratic National Committee. Those are your headlines at this hour guys.
[Cuomo:] Boy, I tell you, when the president comes to town, it is a hard time in New York City.
[Bolduan:] Oh, getting around?
[Cuomo:] It is just it changes everything.
[Bolduan:] When he was in L.A., it was the same thing. Forget about getting anywhere.
[Cuomo:] They've got to fund raise, I get it, but man, does he kill this city.
[Pereira:] He should parachute in.
[Bolduan:] Parachute in.
[Cuomo:] Talking to that pilot on the show yesterday. They'll figure it out.
[Pereira:] Yes, exactly.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, started strong, finished even stronger. Boy, oh boy, the U.S. in its first game of the World Cup. We're going to tell you about a historic win and what this means for our chances going forward. And also ahead, remembering Casey Kasem. His son joins us for an exclusive interview to talk about the loss of his father and also the family strife that really occupied the headlines at the end days of his life.

[Phillips:] Well, imagine that you're trapped in your car, it's on fire, burning, and you can't get out. And with all the flames, who would risk their lives to help you? It would take a miracle. Here's our Miguel Marquez.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] Hard to tell, but that is a black Mercedes. It lost control on a major freeway in Los Angeles. Harder to believe, the man who was driving survived.
[Don Thompson, Los Angeles Police Department:] It was just a matter of seconds. Another 10, 15 seconds, there just would have been too much fire.
[Marquez:] Seconds to rescue the 72-year-old man whose car burst into flames after smashing into the center divider.
[Thompson:] I reached in there and I fumbled a bit more and thank goodness I found that button and popped the belt and grabbed him and pulled him out.
[Marquez:] Adding to the miracle, Don Thompson, a 26 year veteran of the LAPD bomb squad, happened to be on his way to work. His shift started early. Diving into the flames, pulling the driver to safety.
[Thompson:] I'm just kind of singed, you know, hair here and some first degree on the side.
[Marquez:] Thompson did have help. Miracles sometimes need company. A Los Angeles firefighter happened to be driving by, making the rescue seamless.
[Erik Scott, Los Angeles Fire Department Spokesman:] To be able to help to immediate patient assessment and get other resources on scene a lot quicker because he happened to be the commander of the dispatch center and called them directly to do so.
[Marquez:] A horrible accident and an impromptu act of heroism.
[Thompson:] It makes me feel good to know that I've saved a life.
[Marquez:] Understatement from a veteran cop, all in a day's work.
[Phillips:] Well, Miguel Marques, thank you so much. And CNN affiliate KTLA does report that at least two civilians actually helped with that rescue. The man pulled from the car was transported to the hospital with moderate injuries. Well, a fresh but light round of winter weather is in the Great Lakes and the Northeast. It's hampering efforts to restore power to thousands of residents. Utility crews actually have been working in frigid temps ever since Christmas Eve. More than 400,000 Michigan homes lost electricity after last weekend's big ice storm. And then in northern New England, the same scenario, about 30,000 residents in Maine were left in the dark. A full fix not expected until the weekend, as well. More rain heading to the south. CNN meteorologist Jennifer Gray here now and to talk about the travelers returning home for the holidays. What do you think? More storms to come?
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Well, the short answer is no, the country is very, very calm right now. We're seeing high pressure in control across the mid-section. Maybe a couple of isolated showers in south Florida, mostly sunny in the Southwest. We're actually going to be warming up in the Midwest. We only are dealing with a couple of lake-effect showers snow showers around the Great Lakes. That's really it. Look at this, Denver warming up to 52 degrees today, Kansas City at 44, Chicago will hit 30, even in D.C. in the 40s. So we'll gradually be warming up over the next couple of days. We are seeing a little bit of lake-effect snow but it's really not going to be too much. The power outages, the ice, all of that's left over from last weekend's storm. And so we'll be watching temperatures warm up in those areas as well over the next couple of days. Buffalo, Syracuse, could pick up two to four inches of snow throughout the day today. Even Maine picking up one to three inches. Temperatures are still very cold in the north, really not above freezing. But in the next couple of days, things will start to change. So Burlington could see temperatures at 36 degrees on Saturday. And with these temperatures above freezing, that will help with that ice melt through the weekend.
[Phillips:] All right, Jennifer, thanks. Well, here's a question for you, what is a lower approval rating than cockroaches, Genghis Khan and lice? Your Congress. A new poll explains why. And the last minute shopping might be over, but a lot of the deals have just begun. Our retail experts will tell you tell all of us actually where we can go.

[Paul:] So, team USA as you know, is facing one of its toughest matches yet, Portugal tonight. And if they can bring home a win it's almost guaranteed they are going to get a spot in the quarterfinals.
[Blackwell:] However, you know, some of the most memorable World Cup moments are not those of the players' moves. I mean, because some of the points are amazing.
[Paul:] Sure.
[Blackwell:] But rather, these hair and style choices of the players.
[Paul:] CNN editorial producer Nadia Bilchik is here with some of the best World Cup styles, do we say the best? Do we say
[Nadia Bilchik, Cnn Editorial Producer:] We can say the most interesting.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Bilchik:] Most riveting let's start with Ermin Bicakcic, and, of course, he sports a hair to called the pompadour. Pompadour. You might have seen David Beckham sporting the same hair style. So, of course, it's higher on top, short on sides. And then we move on to Raul Meireles from Portugal. So, we might see Meireles this afternoon playing. And he has the mohawk.
[Blackwell:] That's a commitments.
[Bilchik:] We spoke about that, if you can't get a mohawk you might want to try a fohawk.
[Blackwell:] Yeah, try that.
[Bilchik:] And then we have Bacary Sagna, and he's from France. And he has the very famous blond braids. Now, of course, the braids blondes are artificial so they must be quite heavy. Also you have to burn the end of the braid to fuse it with the other hair so that's quite a process too. And then we have Marouane Fellaini, and he had that big bold beautiful hair. He does say he keeps it trimmed.
[Paul:] Really?
[Bilchik:] He also says the reason he does that is that if it's wet he can't see the ball. He's tried being bald, he's tried so bad, and then we have Kyle Beckham and dread locks inspired by the one and only Bob Marley.
[Paul:] Yeah.
[Bilchik:] And you know that having dreads like that takes maintenance.
[Blackwell:] Yes. It's a statement. It's a cultural statement.
[Bilchik:] That's right. As you say it's more than a hairstyle. It's a lifestyle, and Cristiano Ronaldi, think about Monday morning if he plays tonight, there will be lots of little boys asking for a Cristiano hair style, please. If they are not already.
[Blackwell:] I think I could rock that. What do you think?
[Paul:] You could.
[Blackwell:] Just on the side.
[Paul:] Yeah, because I mean, you are not a bald man.
[Blackwell:] No, I'm getting there, I'm getting close, though.
[Bilchik:] You are watching the World Cup going, the bodies have got better, right? It's just that the shirts have got tighter.
[Paul:] Is that what it is.
[Bilchik:] Hugo says, the tighter the shirt, the more it looks like a leotard. They even say it has health benefits. In fact, it boosts energy to the muscle is a puma claim with the very, very tight shirt.
[Paul:] Really?
[Bilchik:] So we'll see what team USA wears this afternoon.
[Paul:] Yes, lots of people will be watching it. We do not know exactly what everybody's motive is.
[Bilchik:] Uniform that got dry fit technology. Which they need in the humidity.
[Blackwell:] Yes.
[Bilchik:] Humidity and the hot.
[Paul:] Thank you, Nadia. How much we appreciate it. Already, we've got to turn to some serious stuff here because this morning ISIS militants, we've learned are four towns now closer to Baghdad. As the most prominent

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Tonight, grave concerns about the ability of airport screeners to detect hidden explosives or weapons. Deadly cruise disaster. Hundreds are missing after a tornado hits and flips a passenger ship. We're following the frantic rescue operation under way right now. And disturbing video, a car explosion and fire, captured by a police dash camera. Stand by for details. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in
[The Situation Room. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] The breaking news tonight, stark new evidence that ISIS has its tentacles here in the United States, recruiting and influencing would-be terrorists. Sources tell CNN a man shot and killed today by Boston police was being tracked around the clock as part of a broader terror investigation. It's believed 26-year-old Usaama Rahim was radicalized by ISIS. Police say he brandished a large military-style knife when he was approached by police officers. Republican presidential candidate former New York Governor George Pataki, he is here. We will talk about the terror threat and much more. And our correspondents and analysts, they're also standing by, as we cover all the news breaking right now. First, let's go our national correspondent, Deborah Feyerick. She has the very latest on what happened in Boston Deb.
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, authorities are questioning two men they believe were in contact with the knife-wielding suspect. And the suspect's own brother is disputing the official version of what happened.
[Feyerick:] The shooting occurred just before 7:00 a.m. in a CVS parking lot in a Boston disturb. Investigators from the Joint Terrorism Task Force approach suspect Usaama Rahim, sources say, to question him about threats he had made against police officers.
[William Evans, Boston Police Commissioner:] The level of alarm brought us to question him today. I don't think anyone expected the reaction we were going to get out of him.
[Feyerick:] Authorities say investigators did not have their guns drawn when Rahim pulled out a large military knife and began moving towards the officers.
[Evans:] They kept retreating, verbally giving commands to drop the weapon, drop the weapon. And, at some point, the individual, proximity came close that the officers were in danger. Their lives were in danger. And then two officers discharged their weapons.
[Feyerick:] The suspect was shot twice, once in the abdomen, once in the torso. He died of gunshot injuries at a nearby hospital.
[Unidentified Male:] The prophet of Islam is a prophet of mercy, not bombs.
[Feyerick:] Rahim's brother, a well-known Boston imam now living in California gave a different version of events. Posting on Facebook, Imam Ibrahim Rahim says his brother was waiting for a bus to go to work when he was confronted by three officers. He writes his younger brother quote "was on his cell phone with my dear father during the confrontation, needing a witness. His last words to my father, who heard the shots, were, I can't breathe." A law enforcement official says Usaama Rahim appears to have been radicalized online by ISIS and other religious extremists. He was recently put on 247 surveillance after FBI agents noticed a change in his behavior and decided to question him.
[Vincent Lisi, Fbi:] There was no arrest warrant for him. There was no intention to arrest him at that point.
[Feyerick:] Investigators were questioning two of Rahim's associates, the head of Boston's FBI saying the threat appears to be contained.
[Lisi:] We don't think that there is any concern for public safety out there right now.
[Feyerick:] And Rahim's brother, the Boston imam, has been a vocal critic of ISIS. He told CNN's Brian Todd back in 2013 that he would not even officiate at Tamerlan Tsarnaev's funeral because the Boston Marathon attack was so contrary to the principles of Islam. We did reach out to a local mosque, the spokesperson there saying that they're hoping to get a lot of answer to a number of outstanding questions Wolf.
[Blitzer:] I'm sure they have tons of questions. Thanks very much. Also tonight, Homeland Security officials are investigating new bomb threats against commercial airliners here in the United States. At least four flights were targeted today after a series of threats about a week or so ago, all this coming amid new controversy surrounding the TSA and serious revelations about failures by airport screeners. Our aviation correspondent, Rene Marsh, has the latest information for us. Rene, what is going on?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] It's a taxing situation for local law enforcement, this morning alone, multiple airlines dealing with bomb scares, a United flight to Chicago targeted, a Delta plane to Atlanta targeted, a U.S. Airways flight to Philadelphia also targeted, and a fourth plane after it left Portland, Oregon, headed to Mexico, also received a bomb threat. We do not know at this hour the source of these threats, but law enforcement now investigating. In all of these cases, passengers were deplaned, and the aircraft checked. Nothing was found. Of course, this comes on the heels of multiple threats to New York-bound planes during the Memorial Day weekend. That also included an Air France flight. Coincidentally, the series of bomb scares come as we are learning more about TSA failures in detecting prohibited items like weapons at airport checkpoints, and now a major shakeup at the top of the agency.
[Marsh:] Acting TSA Administrator Melvin Carraway out after embarrassing news. An undercover operation designed to test TSA's ability to detect explosives and weapons at airport security checkpoints yielded a 95 percent failure rate.
[Rep. Jason Chaffetz , Utah:] If in a test the TSA is failing 95 percent of the time, they're failing the American people.
[Marsh:] CNN has learned undercover teams who smuggled weapons and fake explosives past security were not weapons experts, security or law enforcement. They were regular staff with the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General's Office. They performed 70 tests. TSA officers failed 67 times, a poor performance not even recently retired TSA head John Pistole can defend.
[John Pistole, Former Administrator, Transportation Security Administration:] This is very disconcerting, completely unacceptable to have a high rate of failures like that.
[Marsh:] Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson now wants screening procedures revised, more training for TSA officers and screening equipment reevaluated.
[Chaffetz:] They have invested over the years billions of dollars in stuff that doesn't work. Remember the puffers, those whole body imaging machines? Those things don't work.
[Marsh:] TSA has a work force of 46,000 screeners. Billions have been spent on training and equipment. The agency has been dogged by controversy for years from backlash against revealing full body scanners to pat-downs many find intrusive.
[Unidentified Male:] They're harassing a kid? Yes.
[Marsh:] The focus now, preventing terrorists from exploiting vulnerabilities undercover teams exposed.
[Pistole:] TSA has failed in terms of its ability to detect in this particular circumstance. The good news is that millions of prohibited items have been found over the years, I mean, thousands of guns, tens of thousands of knives and other stun guns and things like that.
[Marsh:] Well, today, we heard the president's thoughts on all of these all of this. He believes the American people should feel confident traveling because he says there are multiple layers of security, but, Wolf, he is urging Congress to confirm his nominee for TSA head. Of course, TSA has been without a permanent leader for the last five months. So that's a pretty long time and counting.
[Blitzer:] Yes, Jeh Johnson, the secretary of homeland security, which oversees the TSA, he has got to make sure that it works. A lot of passengers out there are hearing this, and they're going to be nervous.
[Marsh:] Exactly.
[Blitzer:] Rene, thanks very much. We have more breaking news we're following now in the fight against terrorism. Just a little while ago, the U.S. Senate approved a bill to reform domestic surveillance by the National Security Agency. The measure now heads to the president's desk, almost two days after at least some NSA powers expired, and after weeks of political wrangling. Our chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash, is up on Capitol Hill. Dana, after all the debate, the vote to approve was overwhelming in the Senate, as it was earlier in the House. It now goes to the president for his signature, right?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Senior Congressional Correspondent:] That's right. It wasn't even close, Wolf, but 67 senators voted to approve it. And the president actually just released a statement moments ago tweaking the Congress, saying, after needless delay and inexcusable lapse, he is gratified that he is finally going to get this bill. The bottom line of what happened is that you had this very unlikely alliance of the president of the United States, House Republicans, who are usually his chief opponents on so many issues, supporting him in passing this Patriot Act with these controversial programs, but with reforms. Many in the Senate agreed. The person who disagreed was the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, who you're hearing right now. He thought these reforms weakened the program, made this country less safe. That's why he was trying to change it. And, at the end of the day, he did not prevail. Having said all that, Wolf, this all could have and should have been done a long time ago. It went right up to the wire, even over the wire. At the end of the day, that was primarily because his junior colleague from Kentucky, Rand Paul, as we all know, launched a filibuster, or waged a filibuster. And he kind of bested the majority leader on tactics and on the politics of this. And he certainly has been effectively running on this issue on the campaign trail for president.
[Blitzer:] All right, Dana, thanks very much, Dana Bash up on Capitol Hill. Let's talk a little bit more about homeland security, the threat of terrorism to the United States. Joining us now, the Republican presidential candidate George Pataki. He was the New York State governor, including during and after 911. Governor, thanks very much for joining us.
[George Pataki , Presidential Candidate:] Good evening, Wolf. Nice being with you.
[Blitzer:] Thank you. You have said that now is probably the most dangerous time for Americans since September 11. Why do you say that?
[Pataki:] Well, that's right. Just listen to the news you just had on about the Joint Task Force killing someone they had been believe had been radicalized by ISIS here in the United States. We had the incident a couple of weeks ago in Garland, Texas, where American citizens who had been radicalized, they ISIS says by them were about to conduct a mass attack against American citizens, and but for what Texas cop, that would have happened. Let me just give you one other point, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Go ahead.
[Pataki:] After that attack in Garland, Texas, the FBI director said there are hundreds of people out there like these attackers, probably thousands. We don't know who they are. We don't know where they are. We have a weakened intelligence law now, sadly. And we have no strategy against ISIS. This has got to change.
[Blitzer:] Had you been in the Senate today, how would you have voted on this compromise legislation?
[Pataki:] I would have voted for this law, but I think it would have been better if it had been amended so that the phone companies were required to keep phone records, so that in appropriate cases NSA could access them. Look at Boston today. If in fact the person who was killed by the task force had been radicalized, had been communicating with others about attacking Americans, I would like our intelligence to be able to go get a court order and find out who he was talking to here in the United States who might want to carry out attacks. I'm not sure that could happen now.
[Blitzer:] Because, under the new law, the compromise version of the that was passed today by the Senate, earlier passed by the House, phone companies like AT&T, Verizon, they're supposed to keep all these records that could be accessed. But it's unclear how long they have to keep them for.
[Pataki:] That's right. And they're not required to keep them for any period of time. And that's an amendment to the USA Freedom Act that, if it hadn't been for this filibuster, I believe the Senate would have passed and the House would have ultimately agreed to. And I think it's just unfortunate, in these very dangerous times, we have weakened intelligence, at a time when we need enhanced intelligence. And, as I was saying, all of these incidents point back to ISIS. And instead of degrading and destroying ISIS, they grow stronger because we do not have an effective strategy. And that has got to change.
[Blitzer:] So, if you were commander in chief, president of the United States right now, give me two or three things you would try to do immediately.
[Pataki:] Right. Immediately, I would begin providing arms and training directly to the on-the-ground troops fighting ISIS, the Kurdish, Peshmerga, Sunni sheiks who are anti-ISIS. I would put American advisers with them. Right now, three out of four of our Air Force launches, our air sorties result in us not dropping any bombs because they can't tell the good guys from the bad guys. We need observers to provide that. I would ramp up the bombing attack. And, if necessary, I would do what we did two weeks ago, launch a quick strike, destroy their training and recruitment centers, and then get out. That's against ISIS. Here, I would look to strengthen the USA Freedom Act. I would require those utility phone companies to keep the records for some time. I think it's hasn't that NSA have the ability to access those records.
[Blitzer:] How worried, how concerned are you that the this conference that is going on in Paris right now by the coalition, all these countries fighting ISIS, that the central Iraqi government, the prime minister, Haider al-Abadi, is there, but he didn't invite any representatives from Kurdistan, from Northern Iraq, from the Kurds to come participate? And, as you know, the Peshmerga that you want the U.S. to arm directly, they're fighters.
[Pataki:] Right.
[Blitzer:] They're fighting ISIS. But they're not even represented there.
[Pataki:] Absolutely. I'm very concerned about that. But that has been the problem. One of the problems is our administration insists that all military assistance go through the Baghdad government. The Baghdad government is not getting that to the Peshmerga, to the Kurds. They're not getting it in Anbar to the Sunni sheiks who are anti-ISIS. So, we have got to provide that directly, stop doing it through the Baghdad government, have more observers and advisers on the grounds on the ground, working with them, so that, instead of having Iranians telling the Baghdadi forces what to do, we will have Americans having them act to actually take out ISIS'ability to attack us here.
[Blitzer:] All right, Governor, I want you to stand by. We have more to discuss, the war against ISIS, your options, some other issues coming up in the presidential campaign. Much more with Governor George Pataki when we come back.

[Wolf Blitzer, Host, The Situation Room:] Nancy Pelosi has praised it. John Boehner has praised it. But there are critics on the right and left who don't like various aspects. It still has to be voted on in the House of Representatives. I assume it will pass, pass the Senate and the president will sign it. And the next two years, including the mid-term election in 2014, we won't have to worry, as you point out, about another government shutdown.
[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn Anchor:] Let me ask you this. There are a number of different polls that come out today, and it depends on to what TV network you seem to watch as to whether the president is doing better or worse. But the CNN poll that combined them all, 42 percent of Americans approve, 53 percent disapprove. Here is the question. Did the Republicans possibly see that the battle over the budget was not gaining them traction, politically speaking and that Obamacare was a debacle that they could have actually maximized and switching to the strategy of Obamacare? Because if that's the case, isn't the -aren't Obamacare numbers starting to do better, too. So that's a bit of a quandary, isn't it?
[Blitzer:] There's no doubt that on the first point, the government shutdown, most Americans blamed the Republicans. And I think most Republicans, at least privately if not publicly, will acknowledge that hurt them. The first two weeks after October 1st when the Obamacare website was rolled out, they missed an opportunity, the Republicans. They really could have gone after the president and Obamacare those first two weeks. Although the country for two weeks was focused on a government shutdown and deep concerns over the government shutdown and raising the nation's debt ceilings, which I suspect hurt the Republicans as well. I think one of the factors working on Paul Ryan to go ahead and make this deal, this compromise deal with Patty Murray, the Democratic Senator from Washington State, was because they didn't want another government shutdown. This would avoid a government shutdown. Certainly, give the Republicans, they believe, some added advantage going into next year's mid-term elections. Because if the big issue that's still a big if if the issue is still Obamacare, then the Republicans think they not only can hold on to the majority in the House but maybe even take over the Senate. That's what some of the political types are thinking about. But we shall see. It's a long time between now and next November.
[Banfield:] Yeah. Those enrollment numbers right now are nowhere near where they should be according to the government's own projections. We'll have to follow these polls as we go forward because who knows if that's going to be the winning strategy for the Republicans. Let me show you something else for a moment. I want to switch gears to something we don't often see, Wolf. Around the NEWSROOM, we were all crouched over these images that came out from the White House aboard Air Force One, a plane that few people get to ride aboard. But there's something about these pictures. This one, the president and the former president in the hallway outside of the meeting room just kicking it. It's a long flight to South Africa. And in this next one, Mr. Obama, Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, the deputy national security adviser, Ben Rhodes, is standing in the background. A third photo shows Hillary Clinton. This is my favorite, Wolf. It shows her smiling at what looks like a tablet or iPad of sorts, and the former President Bush is showing her his most recent artwork. Valarie Jarrett is off to the right of the photo. Susan Rice, the look on her face is great. Eric Holder standing. And in the foreground to the right, that's Mrs. Bush. And Michelle Obama just to the left of the secretary in the picture. And this shot was right before dinner, Wolf. Apparently, they were waiting for dinner. I love that they're all dressed so comfortably. They're flying together for somewhere around 16 hours to fly to Johannesburg. I just wanted you to weigh in a little bit on the culture aboard an aircraft like this, where you can almost literally let your hair down and change relationships.
[Blitzer:] It's a good opportunity to spend some good quality time because you are aboard a plane. When I was the CNN senior White House correspondent, I had the opportunity many times to fly aboard Air Force One, including on long flights. I covered President Bill Clinton. And you go into the conference room when you're invited up there and you see the president with the United States with his top aides just playing cards or with his special guests, dignitaries who might be on board or with his senior staff. And you see how close the quarters are. Even though it's a big 747, it's still pretty tight. You do have an opportunity to bond. And this was a great moment, I'm sure, for two presidents, President Obama and President Bush, to get quality time in if they wanted to chat, wanted to talk, or the first ladies or whatever. Hillary Clinton was there. Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton came on a separate flight. Jimmy Carter was there in South Africa. He came on a separate flight as well. But you're right. These are unique moments, historic moments, if you will. You go into that conference room on Air Force One, you sit there and get ready for dinner and you chat a little bit, that's pretty cool.
[Banfield:] I don't know why it is that I'm so fascinated by it. Could we pop the photo up again of the conference room that Wolf was referring to? They're in their sweaters. I hate to say this, but I was actually pacing it out in the office today. The conference table is huge. And the chairs are big and plush and huge. That makes it hard to believe you're onboard an air plane. But it is close quarters, isn't it?
[Blitzer:] It looks bigger in that picture than it actually is. You're aboard a big plane, a 747. The conference room is nice, but it's not huge or anything. It's
[Banfield:] Not like your office?
[Blitzer:] No, not that big, obviously.
[Banfield:] Wolf Blitzer. Thank you. Good to see you.
[Blitzer:] Thanks. You can always see Wolf Blitzer, starting this afternoon, 1:00 p.m. eastern time. Thanks, Wolf. I want to take you next to Montana. What a case. A trial of a young widow on trial for the death of her husband. Jordan Graham is accused of pushing him over a cliff. And the court hears her lies. We've heard people lie before to cover up a crime. But the extent of her lying, you have to hear it to believe it.

[Banfield:] Welcome back. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. The international dispute over what to do about Syria's use of chemical weapons is at a fever pitch this hour. President Obama, overseas, is making a last-ditch appeal for international support for a strike against Syria. This is at the G-20 summit in Russia. The backdrop, Russian's president, Vladimir Putin, is warning that he has an unspecified plan of action if any kind of attack occurs. Also Iran weighing in. Its supreme leader warning of dire consequences if a strike occurs. And "the Wall Street Journal" adding to that, reporting that Iran has actually ordered militants in Iraq, next door, to attack the United States embassy and other U.S. interests in Baghdad if, in fact, an attack on Syria happens. And that is a whole lot of mess to deal with. Joining us is CNN military analyst, retired Air Force colonel, Rick Francona, who happened to live for three years in Syria as a military attache. And also joining us is former U.N. chief weapons inspector, Dr. David Kay. Colonel Francona, I want to begin with you, if I CAN. Let's start at the top with Russia and with what president Putin has said in veiled terms. It didn't feel like a threat but it didn't feel like it wasn't a threat. "We have our plan."
[Rick Francona, Former Military Jag & Cnn Military Analyst:] I would venture to say his plan is going to be on the diplomatic side or the economic side. I just can't imagine that the Russians want to get into a fight with us over Syria. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't reach the threshold of something they want to get into a superpower confrontation in the military realm. They've got quite a number of ships in the eastern Mediterranean, it's a small body of water. There's a lot of firepower out there. They may do a show of force, but I just don't see them doing anything militarily.
[Banfield:] So, Dr. Kay, if Vladimir Putin is paying lip service to his allies and making sure he walks this fence, let's go south to Iran and next door, Iraq. You and I have had a couple of conversations off air about the "I" word, and that's Iraq. It's no a place we ever want to be again, and yet we'll be there matter what, aren't we, if Syria enters the picture?
[Dr. David Kay, Former U.n. Chief Weapons Inspector:] We still have both State Department personnel and American armed forces there. A small number. And a lot of NGOs, Americans, are still in Iraq. The amazing thing being commented on for the last year is that Iraq has provided a free flow of Iranian support, both material, arms, as well as personnel across Iraq, both ground and airspace.
[Banfield:] It's been a pipeline. What you are saying Iraq, a place that effectively the United States created as it is now, is the pipeline for the bad guys in Syria. Is that what you're saying?
[Kay:] It's a major pipeline. And I think one reason there's been so little public comment on it is, if you think about it, it is extraordinarily embarrassing to the U.S. government to reveal and talk about something that we've spent billions of dollars and over 4,000 American lives on is now providing aid and comfort to Syria.
[Banfield:] So, Colonel Francona, with that in mind, I'm looking at some of the reports that have been coming in to CNN from the Pentagon to Chris Lawrence and our producers, and they are saying that a defense officials has told them they've received, quote, "many, many calls from the White House" almost every day asking for different options, can you do this, what would it take to accomplish "X," "Y," "Z," if you want to do "X," we'll need rescue personnel, refueling options. The question I have for you, given what you and David Kay just outlined with regard to Iraq, does that mean any kind of plan that's being made at the Pentagon right now is going to really focus on Iraq as well but maybe we won't be speaking so much about how much Iraq will matter?
[Francona:] They'll have a plan. If something happens, if we do something militarily against Syria, there's a whole host of things that will happen, and the Pentagon has to plan for these, and those involve the evacuation of embassies and the personnel and even the NGOs that David mentioned. They've got to take that into consideration. And going back to Iraq, Iraq is not this monolithic country anymore. It's, over the last two years, the civil order has almost broken down, you have the Sunnis resurgent in the north. And while the government is funneling official aid from Iraq into Syria, we're also seeing in the north this is where a lot of the Islamists are coming across as well. So Iraq is the funnel that is causing all the problems
[Banfield:] Despite the problem that no one wants to hear the word Iraq.
[Francona:] When people hear the word Iraq, people shut down.
[Banfield:] Yes, no kidding. And that may be a big issue for Congress. Thank you so much, Dr. Kay. And thank you so much, Colonel Francona. It's always good to have your expertise, especially at times like this. When we come back, I want you to take a look at this video. It's President Assad and his wife. They're shaking hands and they're smiling. Who would think that behind it lies one of the most cruel dictators in the world? So what do you suppose might happen to him and to his wife if he falls? And his people get a hold of him. There's some ugly history here that may lay some groundwork. We're going to show it to you in a moment.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to "THE LEAD." Continuing in politics, you might say Congressman Mark Sanford changed his relationship status on Facebook on Friday. And while the former South Carolina governor did it in an epic heart on his sleeve post as opposed to a mere profile update, one thing is for sure, it's complicated. The Republican's followers and really the world at large got a detailed look at his side of the story and his messy divorce proceedings involving sadly their four sons. A process so painful Sanford writes that had led him to decide to call off his engagement to his Argentinean fiancee. CNN national correspondent, Suzanne Malveaux, has the latest from a man once considered possible presidential timber until that faithful walk down the proverbial Appalachian Trail. Suzanne, his fiancee says, is this right? That she first heard about the fact that their engagement was off by reading it on Facebook?
[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn National Correspondent:] So you say it's complicated and it is in a way because here she says that she was surprised just as surprised as anybody else in the breakup because she said she learned about this on Facebook, her demise of the relationship. Ouch. But over the weekend, she told "The New York Times" that they had agreed to split up, but Sanford failed to give her a heads-up that he was announcing this on Facebook. So this is a relationship that ended as it basically began, amidst a media frenzy of their own making.
[Malveaux:] She was his soulmate, he said.
[Mark Sanford , South Carolina:] A whole lot more than a simple affair. It's a love story. A forbidden one, a tragic one, but a love story at the end of the day.
[Malveaux:] But the love story that took Mark Sanford from a would-be presidential candidate to a laughingstock ended as strangely as it began, on Facebook. In a posting that will go down in political history as a cringe-worthy overshare. South Carolina Congressman Mark Sanford uses 12,312 characters to announce the engagement to his one-time mistress, Maria Belen Chapur, is off. His Argentinean lover told "The New York Times," she was as surprised as everyone else by the Facebook confessional. The couple had actually just spent a week together in Paris when Sanford asked her to delay the wedding another two years. Belen says she wrote to Sanford saying, I had a spectacular week. You know I love you, but I don't want to continue in the category of mistress. I can't bear it anymore. The spectacularly public airing of his romantic dirty laundry echoed his first headline-making episode. Back in June of 2009 when the rising Republican star, then South Carolina Governor Sanford, went missing for six days
[Unidentified Male:] Governor alert, the search for Mark Sanford! Getting weirder. Yes, OK. It's Monday night. Do you know where your governor is?
[Malveaux:] Sanford's version, well?
[Jason Carroll, Cnn Correspondent:] At least part of the mystery has been solved in all of this. The governor is said to be, quote, "clearing his head" somewhere along the Appalachian Trail that stretches from Georgia to Maine.
[Malveaux:] It turned out the Appalachian Trail stretched a lot farther, sort of.
[Unidentified Male:] I got a call saying the governor was on his way back from Argentina.
[Malveaux:] Back on American soil, Sanford offered this tearful, lengthy mea culpa for his whopper of a lie.
[Sanford:] I have been unfaithful to my wife. I developed a relationship with a started as a dear, dear friend from Argentina.
[Malveaux:] But the emotional purge didn't stop there.
[Sanford:] There was an older couple sitting to our right and I remember them watching us in the way that we interacted. They could see a spark or I don't know what you call it.
[Malveaux:] TMI, already, Jenny Sanford filed for divorce and wrote a tell-all of her own. In her book "Staying True," she revealed, I shiver when I think that while I was cleaning up after a delicious family meal, he was e-mailing his soulmate with visions of her tan lines. In August 2012, he announced he and Beli were engaged. With her by his side, he bounced back. And it looked like voters forgave him. He won the open Republican congressional seat in a special election.
[Unidentified Male:] Mark Sanford's always been a loner in politics and he's never cared what other people think.
[Malveaux:] An irony of this story is now that she has put herself in Jenny's camp, sticking up for her saying that she is not to blame. She describes herself as just another casualty of Sanford saying that, I think I was not useful to him anymore. He made the engagement thing four months before the election so this is not about his son, this is about his career and his ambitions. It's rather ironic, don't you think, Jake?
[Tapper:] It's interesting. The whole saga is rather sad to watch. I have to say, you know, Fitzgerald said there is no second acts in American life, obviously, Mr. Sanford has proven that not to be true. Mr. Clinton beforehand. Can he stomach this? Can he weather this? Is this latest escapade going to hurt him in November or going forward?
[Malveaux:] You know, it's pretty amazing because when you talk to people who know him, they say, he's religious and believes in second and third chances, that the voters actually have supported him. But he's unopposed this November. He still has a term left so we'll see. I mean, right now, his seat is safe. He's actually safe. I don't know how much this actually plays out when people are like, we've had enough. This is it. We've had enough, but he is saying, look, I like Christ deserve a second chance and turn the other cheek. I'm going to come clean here. We'll see if the voters actually think that that's good enough.
[Tapper:] They have four magnificent boys, the Sanfords. It's so sad to see this play out in public. Suzanne Malveaux, thank you so much. Coming up, hundreds of service members who fought in Vietnam, Korea and the first and second world wars have been recognized with the honor. Why have so few, only four from Iraq and 12 from Afghanistan, have received the Medal of Honor?

[Bolduan:] As the manhunt drags on into its 19th day now, the focus still remains on how were these killers able to pull off such a daring escape? Our next guest worked in the same prison shop where many say the elaborate scheme began.
[Berman:] Erik Jansen served nine months at Clinton Correctional Facility alongside David Sweat and Richard Matt and also prison worker Joyce Mitchell. Erik Jansen joins us right now. Thanks so much for being with us. You worked in tailor shop number 3, that was the shop that Joyce Mitchell worked in and that was the shop at the time inmate David Sweat was also working in.
[Erik Jansen, Former Clinton Correction Facility Inmate:] That's correct.
[Berman:] Describe their relationship.
[Jansen:] Their relationship was in simple terms, it would be when the cute guy at high school asks, you know, the girl to the prom. And the look on her face every day when they would get together and they would talk and they would laugh, giggle, conversations all day long. And when they'd go in the back room at the end of the day to count the garments, you know, I never thought anything about it until after this whole thing took place.
[Bolduan:] Oh really?
[Jansen:] Yes
[Bolduan:] That relationship, the way you described that, was that unusual? Was this happening were there a lot of interactions between inmates and workers that were like this?
[Jansen:] There are interactions but not to that extent where someone would bring in the food for him, bring in tattoo supplies, art supplies, things of that nature. There are relationships in the prison where you get to know an officer...
[Bolduan:] Not like this?
[Jansen:] Definitely not like this.
[Berman:] They went into the back room.
[Jansen:] Correct.
[Berman:] That's the closet?
[Jansen:] That's correct. Well it's where they keep the materials. It's not an actual closet. It's where you can walk in, there's a door on it. And they keep the materials that were completed and the materials that needed to be done.
[Berman:] And Joyce Mitchell and David Sweat were in there alone.
[Jansen:] That's correct.
[Berman:] A lot.
[Jansen:] Correct.
[Berman:] What did you think was going on?
[Jansen:] It was a running joke inside the tailor shop that, you know, that was his boo.
[Bolduan:] His girlfriend?
[Jansen:] His girlfriend. You know, she's to always treat him to things. And she always, you know she had to interact with him because of her job and his job, him being the supervisor of the tailor shop below the civilian. So it was him that always went to the civilian, you know. So I don't know if that's how the relationship started between them just because of his position and him always having to go up and talk to her and then it became more friendly and as things progressed.
[Bolduan:] Look if a lot of this seems, there's a little, it's a little confusing. And it's also complicated because as we now know Joyce Mitchell's husband has come out and says he does not believe at all that there's a sexual relationship including her and either of these inmates.
[Jansen:] Right.
[Bolduan:] Do you think otherwise?
[Jansen:] We all thought otherwise, you know. You know, you don't spend that much time with somebody. You don't go into the mess hall. When we went to the mess hall, he'd stay back with her and in the tailor shop, you know there are certain things that you see and that you can perceive yourself if you were there. You know, I know now there's less speculation...
[Bolduan:] Did you ever ask him about it?
[Jansen:] We all did. We all did...
[Bolduan:] What did he say?
[Jansen:] He used to laugh. He would never confirm or deny it. Never confirm or deny it. And Dave wasn't one of many words in general. He never really was very outspoken person anyway. He was quiet. The reason me and him bonded so good together was because I'm an artist, he's an artist. And we used to share our artwork. Talk about artwork things. He was very intricate with his details. And that, as you can see, very intricate in the details with this as well.
[Berman:] Are you surprised he's pulled this off?
[Jansen:] I'm very surprised. That place is like a fortress. It's a fortress. There's no way you can get out of there without help.
[Berman:] Do you think he was working it?
[Jansen:] I believe so.
[Berman:] At that time?
[Bolduan:] You think that was the whole point of his relationship with...
[Jansen:] I believe so. I believe so. We played a lot of chess together, me and Dave. And he always said that mentality to always think. He used to whip me on a chessboard.
[Bolduan:] What was his reputation behind bars?
[Jansen:] He was respected.
[Bolduan:] You're the first person we really are speaking with that knows him.
[Jansen:] Yes. He was respected. He was respected because in that environment, when you're in a prison environment, they judge you by your crime. When you come in, especially in...
[Berman:] He was a cop killer?
[Jansen:] Yes.
[Berman:] He was respected?
[Jansen:] In there, it's respect because you're all convicts. So that's like the highest level of respect you can get in a prison system. Is if you kill somebody who puts you in the prison system.
[Bolduan:] Did you know Richard Matt well?
[Jansen:] I knew Rich, but I didn't know him well. I didn't actually interact with him like that. He was also in the tailor shop as well.
[Bolduan:] Exactly.
[Berman:] The closet, again or this back room...
[Jansen:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Yes.
[Berman:] Had a view or has a view of the manhole.
[Jansen:] Yes, it does.
[Berman:] Tell me about that.
[Jansen:] It does. If you actually look when I've seen it on the television, I got chills because you could see up in the back, the windows above the wall, all those windows that line that whole facility right there are tailor shop windows. And from that work closet, you can there's a window that looks out over the wall into the street at Dannemore.
[Bolduan:] What went on in that closet? The relationship that you all said was a running joke that everyone kind of knew about, did you ever think about speaking up? Did you ever think about talking to a guard about it?
[Jansen:] No.
[Bolduan:] Why not?
[Jansen:] I did not think about that because that's in Clinton Clinton is different. Clinton is everyday something goes on. When you're outside at that yard, somebody's getting stabbed, somebody's getting cut, somebody's getting into a fight. And if you're a snitch in there...
[Berman:] You're scared?
[Jansen:] Yes.
[Berman:] So the amount of information we're getting now about how they got some of the stuff they used to break out, hacksaws smuggled in in hamburger, glasses with flashlights somehow passed on to them.
[Jansen:] It's amazing how they got it from the tailor shop back to their cell block.
[Bolduan:] Were you in the honor block?
[Jansen:] No, I was not. I was in upper age.
[Berman:] Stuff was smuggled in. I'm sure you know, as prison stuff gets into a prison somehow. Are you surprised that that I mean, a hacksaw in glasses with flashlights. There's really no alternative use for them other than trying to sneak out.
[Jansen:] You're trying to escape. You're not going to go looking for something in the dark with those. When you leave the tailor shop, you have to actually go through a metal detector. That's like going when you're getting on an airplane, it's like TSA right there. They run you through it. If you beep, you got to take your shoes off. If you beep more, you got to take your clothes off. So I don't see how you can get those items through that metal detector.
[Bolduan:] Well as we are learning, it sure sounds like they found a weakness. They found a vulnerability. And that was a person. That was Joyce Mitchell.
[Jansen:] Correct.
[Bolduan:] What type of person is Joyce Mitchell? What kind of relationship did you have with her?
[Jansen:] I have I didn't really have a very personal relationship with Joyce. Like I said, she was the head of the tailor shop. David was right under her.
[Bolduan:] So Erik, was there only one person that she seemed to have a personal relationship with, then?
[Jansen:] Well she would mingle with the whole she'll come in, say hi. Sometimes she would bring doughnuts for the whole tailor shop. Stuff like that because we were allowed to bring our coffee down there. We'd bring our coffee down there, we have doughnuts on a break. We'd all go, usually like six of us, seven of us, at a time, we would go into that back room. You're not supposed to smoke cigarettes inside. But we smoked cigarettes inside, drank coffee, you know, on our breaks.
[Berman:] Would you have ever thought she would be the type of person to facilitate this?
[Jansen:] No, never. Never. Never. She was like she was reminding me, of like a this was a couple of years ago. But she was still like, like a older, like a grandmother kind of figure. You know, she was older. You know, she was married. I never thought that she would.
[Bolduan:] So in your gut when you hear about this breakout and then you learn that she has confessed to smuggling this stuff in in frozen hamburger meat, what's your reaction?
[Jansen:] Wow. Wow. He must have really sold her. He sold her. I don't know with what, but he sold her.
[Berman:] Erik Jensen, a lot of information right there, we appreciate you helping us understand what's going on.
[Bolduan:] Thanks for coming in.
[Jansen:] You're very welcome.
[Bolduan:] Thanks Erik.
[Berman:] OK. A leaked autopsy report says the injury to Freddie Gray was like diving into the shallow end of a pool. Up next, we'll show you the inside of a police transport van and the dangers of not having a seat belt on while inside.
[Bolduan:] And it is a crowded field. But somehow the Donald, Donald Trump, managed to take second place in a new poll in New Hampshire. Is he a more serious candidate than people are giving him credit for?

[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Wow. I think so too. Those are some moves.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Respect?
[Camerota:] Yes, do you do those? Do you jump up on the bench?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] I respect everything she's doing trying to get people to move more and be into fitness. The country needs it badly.
[Camerota:] What about the moves?
[Cuomo:] She's obviously very strong and works out.
[Camerota:] Do you do those moves?
[Cuomo:] I don't do most of those moves. I'm big in resistance, I believe in weights, but as long as you're doing anything you're good and she looks strong and fit. And that's a good image to have. All right, so "Inside Politics," speaking of strong and fit, not John King, Gloria Borger will lead the way.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Guest Anchor:] I don't get people to move. I get people to talk. OK. That's all I get people to do. We got a lot to talk about today, Chris, largely involving Hillary Clinton who finally spoke herself. She's been on the campaign trail for 28 days. She finally spoke to reporters. We've got two reporters with us today, two of the best, Jonathan Martin of "New York Times" and Jackie Kucinich of "The Daily Beast." Let's talk about Hillary Clinton State Department e-mails first. We learned from the State Department yesterday that it was going to take a year to release them, January 2016 to be exact. Then a judge ruled very, very quickly, the State Department needs to start releasing them on a rolling basis. For her part Hillary Clinton says I want them all out there as soon as possible, take a listen.
[Hillary Clinton , Presidential Candidate:] I have said publicly, I'm repeating it here in front of all of you today. I want them out as soon as they can get out.
[Unidentified Female:] But will you demand it?
[Clinton:] Well, they're not mine. They belong to the State Department.
[Borger:] Well, what does it do for her? If these things get released in batches, is that just a drip, drip, drip of targets?
[Jonathan Martin, "the New York Times":] Yes. It's better for her to get them out all in one fell swoop and the sooner the better. You know, it's going to be a story perhaps a couple of stories, but the idea of these things being put out as you put it, Gloria, on a rolling basis for the next however many months is a political prospect that is not too appetizing for Clinton
[Jackie Kucinich, "the Daily Beast":] But it's not great to have them released all at once in January in 2016 right before the caucuses so better earlier definitely, but the drip, drip isn't going to help either.
[Borger:] Well, but I just have a basic question which is does the public care about this e-mail story at all? Hillary Clinton remains usually popular in the Democratic Party. Her favorability has dropped a little bit, but you would expect out of somebody who goes from secretary of state to being a political candidate. So the public seems to be shrugging its shoulders at this.
[Martin:] I think there's a certain amount of baked in, if you will, assumptions about politicians generally and about the Clintons. And I think that that works in their favor. I will say though that if you've got a sort of succession of stories about the e-mails, about the content that's in there and questions about impropriety or at least about appearances, that's the kind of thing that eventually could take its toll further on her approval rating. And that's the danger here. What is so striking is Republicans have focused almost entirely on character here. You know, their campaign against her in the first couple months is almost wholly focused on character and ethics.
[Kucinich:] Well, the trust question is important. It's something voters cast their vote upon if they can trust this person if they're going to execute the office in a way they think is all right.
[Borger:] Transparency is also an issue. "The Wall Street Journal" has a story today questioning the transparency at the State Department making the case effectively that at the very top levels of the State Department including Hillary Clinton's chief of staff were slow walking a lot of these requests that were made for documents. Does this story tell us anything, Jackie, about the way the Clinton world operates?
[Kucinich:] I think it just re-emphasizes how the Clinton world operates. There is this thought that they are very enclosed, they operate outside of what the normal person would have to operate in. And this just re it's that narrative again.
[Borger:] Let me play devil's advocate here. Staffers always protect their bosses, particularly in government, but also everywhere else. Aren't these just careful staffers protecting the secretary of state?
[Martin:] Sure. And I think on its face one story in the May 2015 "The Wall Street Journal" about a chief of staff sort of picking what to release and whatnot to release is hardly fatal politically. But it's the accumulation of those stories over a period of the next 15 months that could be challenging to her, which is why back to our point it's better to get the stuff out now at least sooner than later.
[Borger:] Right, and she also answered some questions yesterday about Sidney Blumenthal, another former staffer who worked at the White House back in the day who was communicating with her about Libya.
[Martin:] Right.
[Borger:] He had some business interests in Libya and she said, I thought it was kind of interesting what she said. Let's listen to that.
[Clinton:] I have many, many old friends and I always think that it's important when you get into politics to have friends you had before you were in politics. And to understand what's on their minds and he's been a friend of mine for a long time. He's sent me unsolicited e-mails which I passed on in some instances. And I see that's just part of the give and take. When you're in the public eye and when you're in an official position, I think you do have to work to make sure you're not caught in a bubble and you only hear from a certain small group of people. And I'm going to keep talking to my old friends whoever they are.
[Martin:] So, rich
[Borger:] Where to start? Where to start?
[Kucinich:] The pope mobile, they are in the bubble. That's the whole issue with the Clintons.
[Martin:] Right.
[Borger:] Well, unsolicited e-mails, which means I didn't ask
[Martin:] Passed on in some instances.
[Borger:] But she passed along to top staffers.
[Martin:] She did. And my colleagues had a great story got some of those e-mails where she's passing along to some high level diplomats to say take a look at this. I joked yesterday, Clinton-thelogists, those who have been fascinated by this family for decades are going to take that response and examine it meticulously.
[Borger:] And she knows it.
[Martin:] Sid Blumenthal she says is a friend from before politics, as though he's some kind of high school chum. You know, Gloria, somebody
[Borger:] Partisan.
[Martin:] Right, who has been linked to the Clintons because of their political rise and it's a fascinating
[Kucinich:] Also hear the old friend quote coming back over and over again. If something happens with old friends.
[Borger:] Everybody's been an old friend when you're in politics for 30 years, right, OK, very quickly I've got to get to an issue on trade because Hillary Clinton again was asked about trade yesterday. She said I've been very clear on this and then went onto sort of parse it. And Elizabeth Warren came out and said, you know what, she needs to come down somewhere on this trade issue. Either you're with the president or you're with Elizabeth Warren. What do you think?
[Martin:] I think she is not going to go on a limb for a bill that may not even get out of the house. Why would she spend any kind of capital, Gloria, when that bill is having a hard time moving from the Senate? Forget the House, the Senate on free trade. So buy some time if the House does move it, you got to find a stance. But wait until the House actually passes it.
[Borger:] Maybe that's exactly what she's doing. That's exactly what she's doing because Hillary Clinton is not new to politics in Washington. Back to you, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] No, that is a true statement, Gloria. You're so right. She has been around the block in Washington certainly. All right, great to see you. Thanks so much.
[Borger:] Thanks.
[Camerota:] Here's a story you should see. A Texas hunter bids $350,000 to kill an endangered black rhino in Africa, but he insists he's trying to help them survive. CNN's cameras are there as he tracks down that rare rhino. Stick around.

[Camerota:] Ever wondered what kind of emails Jeb Bush ever wondered what kind of emails Jeb Bush wrote when he was governor? You're about to find out. Here to weigh in, CNN political commentator and Republican consultant and Sirius XM host Margaret Hoover, and CNN political analyst and editor in chief of "The Daily Beast", John Avlon. Great to see you, guys.
[Margaret Hoover, Cnn Political Commentator:] Good morning.
[Camerota:] OK. So, Jeb Bush just released this compendium of emails that he exchanged while he was governor. Some of them are tedious, presidential notes to staff, but the ones to constituents are a bit entertaining. Jeb Bush loved an emoticon. We've learned. Let me show one example of this from a constituent. They wrote to him, "Politicians make me sick. You make me sick." And he wrote, "I'm truly sorry you feel that way, have a nice day," smiley face. What is the point of this, Margaret?
[Hoover:] Imagine what he does with emojis. I mean, this is all the emojis
[Cuomo:] What if it's not something in this dump? Then, is this move something that winds you up enhancing the negative effect?
[John Avlon, Cnn Political Analyst:] No, no, no. You know, I think the point of the emails is like the emoticon, you're killing them with kindness, journalists and oppo researchers. You're saying, look, there's nothing left to hide. Now, if it's a planking move that's get you. There's nothing you can do about that. But this is really unprecedented. This kind of radical transparency, it's not just every email, but his entire calendar. I mean, that's a radical transparency move. It's because the Bushes have been to this rodeo before and they're anticipating future attacks.
[Hoover:] But it's extraordinary, too, because it shows he doesn't feel like he has anything to hide. He's willing to be an open book.
[Cuomo:] True.
[Hoover:] Not a lot of politicians are. And being and willing to put sort of everything you have out there. I mean, it's funny. What it does, is it gives you a sense of governing, what it's like to sort of be governor. Imagine if other governors just dumped all of their emails and you get a sense of what the day in and day out is like of the daily governance. To the extent that constituents don't even believe they're emailing him. So, if there's nothing critical that comes out, the advantage that it will be viewed in the context of thousands and thousands of other emails and nothing can be blown out of proportion when you have the full context of the governor's communications.
[Camerota:] Yes. I mean, some of it is mundane, but it is interesting to see how much he emailed, he was constantly on that BlackBerry and even responding to constituents, and that does say something about him.
[Avlon:] It does. It's estimated that
[Cuomo:] Do we know that it's him, by the way?
[Avlon:] We do. No, no, I mean, you know, Margaret was reading one of the emails on the way here. And it was actually a constituent asked that question he said, is it staff or Jeb? He said, it's Jeb.
[Cuomo:] Well, there you go. That's it, then.
[Avlon:] Thirty or 40 hours a week he was spending on this and he was an early adapter. I mean, you know, this sort of really being on email, dealing directly with constituents, it speaks to the man and his style of governing in a way that I think also creates a contrast with the other Bushes.
[Camerota:] Margaret, let's talk about what's going on with Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. Is he experiencing a surge in popularity right now? And if so, what's behind it?
[Hoover:] He is definitively, unquestionably, experiencing a surge in popularity, both in the grassroots and some of the conservative intelligentsia. And what I think is, he provides, at least on paper, before anybody's really lined up and started going a real alternative to Bush fatigue. And
[Camerota:] Just because his name isn't Bush?
[Hoover:] Because his name isn't Bush, and because he actually has a lot of mainstream appeal and access to major donors. The reason he has access to major donors is because he had the good side of having three races in four years. His recall actually allowed him to tap major donors around the country because there are unlimited contributions that are able to participate in that recall election. So, all the major donors in New York and in California, and around the country, started writing him big checks. So, that means he can go longer than all those
[Cuomo:] The other part of Hovalon was making a gas face
[Avlon:] Yes, here's the deal, first of all, you know, I get how a blue state Tea Party governor from the Midwest is doing well in Iowa right now. He's leading in one of the polls that just came off by one point.
[Cuomo:] Fifteen percent they give him.
[Avlon:] That's right. But reality check on this, when the greatest thing you've done as being governor is be so unpopular they want to kick you out midway in your term and survive, that's not a ringing endorsement. The second this, he's had an inflated reputation in Washington for a longtime because the RNC and Reince Priebus and the staffers at the Republican National Committee are all Wisconsinites. And so, he's a hometown hero to them. So, they've been pumping out his name inside the D.C. press corps for a long while now. So, there's a bit of a Walker bubble I think you're seeing as well.
[Camerota:] So, what does it mean for 2016, Margaret?
[Hoover:] Look, I think he and Jeb and Christie are sort of leading the pack and I think you have another tier of candidates that's sort of behind. And, look, we know this is a long race it takes two years to get there and then it is about you know, who can get the most money to get through it. And I think Walker is a contender. I really do think
[Cuomo:] Oh, you're going to have an emphasis on who right now, because you're light on what. You won the election but you won it basically because the Democrats were in disfavor, not because had you some plan you were offering or some rationale and I think that's why you're seeing a difficulty in congressional leadership early on. My question is, so, if you're not going to have the what, then what's the who? If you're not going to have the what and what's the who?
[Hoover:] What do you mean we don't have the what?
[Avalon:] This is like a Dr. Seuss book.
[Cuomo:] No, no, here's why Reaganesque is starting to come up again, right? Look, he may he rest in peace, he was a legend in American politics, but do you think that's the model you want to go if you want to win back the middle class, and you're going to have trickle-down? Trickle-down all of the deficit problems you had under Reagan?
[Hoover:] In the conservative primary, the Republican conservative primary, say Reagan as much as you want. If you want to win a new generation of Americans, the largest the oldest millennials were eight years old when Reagan was president. They don't remember him. If you want to build new coalitions, you want Hispanics, you want women, you want the youth who are going to be more than 25 percent of the electorate, don't do the Reagan thing. Just stop.
[Cuomo:] Then why do you keep saying it?
[Hoover:] What? I don't keep saying it. I think the conservative intelligentsia.
[Cuomo:] You have the elephant right over your shoulder right now. That's the people your party is in.
[Hoover:] He's talking in my ear. Look, it is not the way to win a new coalition to build new coalitions, you can't keep harping back. I agree with you, I think it's nuts. But Republicans can't help themselves. He's the last big successor who built coalitions on the Republican side.
[Camerota:] Margaret, John, great to see you guys.
[Avlon:] You guys, too.
[Camerota:] Thank you so much.
[Cuomo:] I felt like Margaret almost was with me on something there.
[Avlon:] How did it feel?
[Cuomo:] It's very odd. I don't know. I process and I'll get back
[Camerota:] He's disoriented at the moment. Thanks so much, you guys.
[Pereira:] We'll give awe whole commercial break to process that, Chris, OK? "NBC Nightly News" anchor Brian Williams now the subject of punch lines. Ahead, we're going to show you "The Daily Show" take on the scandal.

[Cuomo:] Let's talk about the guy who probably won't go to jail but maybe he should. We're talking about this man who stood up on a US Airways jet and screamed, "I have Ebola and you're all screwed." The unidentified 54-year-old American passenger caused medics and hazmat suits to storm the cabin. Passengers forced to sit on the plane, terrified, for more than two hours, for obvious reasons. This comes as New York's JFK Airport ready for enhanced Ebola screenings this weekend. We'll speak with Nancy Writebol, you remember her, the American who survived Ebola in just a moment, there she is. That will be great. First, CNN's Alexandra Field at JFK for the latest. What do we know?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris, apparently this was a big joke, but we're certain no one on the plane was laughing, considering they had to sit and wait to be cleared by the CDC. It does, however, show how seriously health officials are taking concerns about Ebola and so does a new plan to step up regulations at five major U.S. Airports.
[Unidentified Female:] Here's the situation, I need everybody to sit down.
[Field:] That was the announcement from a flight attendant just before several health officials in full hazmat suits boarded US Airways flight in the Dominican Republic. A passenger posted this video and local reports say the man said, "I have Ebola, you're all screwed."
[Unidentified Female:] Please stay out of the way. Let them do their job.
[Field:] The flight from Philadelphia checked and cleared but kept passengers stuck on the plane for two hours. It's unclear what happened to the man who made the claim. This incident only the beginning of a new front in the fight to stop the spread of Ebola. Passengers leaving the hot zone will be checked for symptoms, answering questions and having their temperatures taken when they arrive stateside at five major U.S. airports: New York City's JFK international, Newark, Washington Dulles, Atlanta and Chicago O'Hare.
[Dr. Thomas Frieden, Director, Cdc:] We expect to see some patients with fever and that will cause some obvious and understandable concern at the airports.
[Field:] More than 50 million passengers traveled through JFK last year. But the new procedures will impact just a tiny fraction. Exams will be done in special areas designated by customs and border protection. Onsite CDC health officers will step into evaluate any potential Ebola case. Passengers leaving Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea already screened before boarding planes out of those countries.
[Frieden:] Of course, I'm concerned. I don't think there's anybody in the country who is not concerned about the situation with Ebola. We're not ready at the airports yet but we will be.
[Field:] All right. JFK will be the first airport to implement the new regulations, they'll start screenings tomorrow. Those other four airports should start sometime next week. We're already hearing similar plans are in place in London and Canada. Expect a lot of airports could be looking at these regulations Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Alexandra. Thank you very much. You know, Alisyn, we're all afraid of the unknown. One thing that is known, if you get Ebola, you can beat it. We have somebody on now who knows that, don't we?
[Camerota:] Absolutely. Great story. As America steps up defenses against Ebola, our next guest is one of the lucky few who survived, Nancy Writebol was one of the first two Americans medevaced to the U.S. after contracting Ebola in West Africa. She joins us now. Good morning, Nancy.
[Nancy Writebol, Ebola Survivor:] Good morning, how are you?
[Camerota:] I'm doing well. It's great to see you. I guess the question is, how are you? You look great. How are you feeling?
[Writebol:] Thank you. I'm doing wonderful, thanks. Getting stronger each and every day.
[Camerota:] You know, it's been a little more than two months since you were brought back here to the U.S. for treatment. What has your recovery been like? Was it gradual or sudden that you felt better?
[Writebol:] No, it's been gradual. There have been good days and there have been bad days, and just regaining my stamina and just growing stronger. And I can see evidence of just being able to walk further and just be stronger each day.
[Camerota:] And, Nancy, can you tell us about your experience when you were in the throes of Ebola? What did it feel like?
[Writebol:] Well, very weak. And I ran a temperature of a high temperature for quite a while, a long time. You know, just going through just always feeling really sick and having to deal with even with diarrhea and the weakness, the fever. Just being very, very weak.
[Camerota:] And did you think during that time that you would survive?
[Writebol:] I wasn't sure at first because I had seen the what Ebola does to people and we had had 40 patients in our isolation unit when I took sick, and out of those 40 patients, only one survived. So I knew what the outcome was. And so I didn't really know whether I would survive.
[Camerota:] You were working as a missionary in a hospital in Liberia when you contracted the disease. Today, do you know how you got Ebola?
[Writebol:] No, and I think that will always be the question. And it's a question that we talk about often. You know, we think about, there are some different ideas about how I might have contracted it. But we don't really know for sure and I don't think we ever real.
[Camerota:] It's really a mystery. You say you were doing all of the safety measures, wearing all of the protective gear. So what's your theory?
[Writebol:] Right. Well, it's very possible that I contracted Ebola outside of the unit, not within. Of course I came in contact with people outside of our hospital and I remember knowing and being with a gentleman one time that later died of Ebola. And it's possible that there was, you know, some contact there. We just don't really know.
[Camerota:] As you know, the Liberian patient who was being treated here in Dallas, Thomas Duncan, did die this week from Liberia and there's a lot of questions about his treatment. One criticism is that he was not given a blood transfusion from a survivor. Were you asked to donate blood to Mr. Duncan?
[Writebol:] I was asked if I would be willing to donate, and I said, yes, I would be happy to donate. However, my blood type did not match his. And so I have always been willing and I would be very happy to donate the plasma that's needed for someone who does have Ebola.
[Camerota:] It's nice to know that you were asked. That answers a big question, because that hospital has come under some fire for not going to every length to try to help him. So it's good to know that you were asked but unfortunately you weren't a match. Were you given the experimental ZMapp treatment?
[Writebol:] Yes, I was.
[Camerota:] Do you credit that with your survival, or do you think there was something else?
[Writebol:] Well, I think, for me, there might have been several things. I also received a blood transfusion, not from a survivor, but I just needed blood. And then, of course, all of the care, the supportive care that I received played a big part. But I do think that ZMapp probably was what stabilized the Ebola virus so that I could get the supportive care that I needed.
[Camerota:] As you know, there's another American fighting for his life in a Nebraska hospital, it's an NBC freelance cameraman. What's your message to him this morning?
[Writebol:] Well, we have really been praying for him and I just want to encourage him that, you know, there are good days and bad days with Ebola. Some days you feel really good, the next day you just think I don't even want to get out of bed. So I just want to encourage him to fight and to just do everything that's possible that you can to recover.
[Camerota:] Yes. You were working, as we said, as a missionary in Liberia when you contracted the disease. Do you think you'll go back?
[Writebol:] Well, you know, that's a matter of discussion that is being talked about. It's very possible that we might go back. We're just asking the Lord for his direction on that and waiting for the right time to be able to go back.
[Camerota:] Nancy Writebol, you are a lovely person to talk to with your great message of survival and perseverance, great to see you. We're happy that you're doing so well.
[Writebol:] Thank you so much. Thanks for asking me to be here this morning.
[Camerota:] Our pleasure. We'll talk to you again.
[Writebol:] OK. 'Bye.
[Camerota:] Well, it's an epic customer service battle, an angry customer tries to get a refund from Comcast but in response he says Comcast got him fired. He joins us live.

[Harlow:] Welcome back to EARLY START. We're going to return to our Flight 370 coverage in just a moment. First, though, this is a very important. The search for survivors continues this morning after that deadly Washington state mudslide. It is growing more grim by the hour. Fire officials now believe up to 24 people are dead. Scores are still missing. Investigators admitting chances of finding anyone else alive are pretty slim. I want you to listen to this 911 call. It comes from the moment right after the landslide began, followed by the fire chief's sobering assessment of the devastation.
[Caller:] No, no, no, there's a freaking mudslide. All see is dirt. We've watched hundreds of trees come falling out of
[Dispatcher:] OK, is there
[Caller:] I'm on Sea Post Road. Highway 530. And there's not even a house here anymore.
[Dispatcher:] Are there any injuries?
[Caller:] Yes. There's people yelling for help.
[Chief Travis Hots, Snohomish County Fire District 21:] What we're finding is these vehicles are like twisted and tore up into like pieces. You know, I saw a car, and I saw one piece of the car, like one-eighth of a car, it was just all twisted. And it it is just amazing the magnitude and the force that this slide has created and what it has done. It's not just done that to cars. It's done that to these buildings. So, you know, carpet and photo albums and vehicles and boats and wood piles and all these things. All this mud that's heavy.
[Harlow:] Well, it is believed that as many as 170 people, 170 additional people are still missing and unaccounted for. Our hearts just go out to all of them.
[Romans:] All right. President Obama in Belgium this morning for the E.U. summit. Talks continue for the crisis in Ukraine. European leaders expected to press President Obama for more natural gas exports from the U.S. so they can reduce their dependency on Russian energy and punish Moscow for invading Crimea. White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski is traveling with the president. She joins us live from Brussels. What's the latest on the president's trip?
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Christine. Well, today, he'll meet with the leaders of the E.U. and NATO. And what an added significance those relationships have taken on, precisely because of the situation in Ukraine. I mean, this trip originally, of course, it was planned well in advance, was supposed to be about emphasizing those ties between nations but now it's become really acting together to try to figure out what to do about Russia and what's going on in Crimea. And today, President Obama is expected to give a speech to the Belgium people. And the White House hasn't wanted the entire trip to be shaped by the situation in Ukraine. But it's expected that he may mention it. People are waiting to hear what he might say about that. And some of what he's already said has turned heads. Yesterday, for example, during a press conference, he called Russia a regional power. Said that it's coming from a position of weakness and isolation, and that all of those troops, 30,000 of them, massed at the Ukrainian border seem to be an intimidation tactic. Not everybody agrees with that. And the president has been dogged by questions whether the U.S. has underestimated the possibilities over there and what Russian President Vladimir Putin is actually planning. The White House said they're under no illusions about what could happen. And the U.S. remains deeply concerned about the troops and of course is watching the situation. Also that the U.S. and E.U. will act in concert accordingly, if the situation does change. So, that's what we expect to see today. Of course, this trip continues on from here, Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Michelle Kosinski for us in Brussels this morning thank you.
[Harlow:] Well, with the Obamacare deadline less than a week away, the White House is giving some people a little bit more time. This is an extension for those who tried to sign up online, but were blocked by all of the technical problems. But here's the catch they have to prove it was the glitches that were to blame. Several states have taken more steps with their own exchanges. General enrollment for Obamacare, so that you avoid a penalty, it ends on March 31st.
[Romans:] All right. Let's look at your money right now. Global stocks trading higher today. Asia up on news the consumer confidence in the U.S. is at a six-year high. Europe kicking off a second day of gains after the central bank signaled it would do whatever it takes to safeguard the economy. The euro surging over the past year, the bank has been worried about inflation. One currency that doesn't have to worry about inflation bitcoin. Why? It's not a currency, at least according to the IRS. Uncle Sam ruled yesterday bitcoin is property. It can be taxed as property. Not as a currency it's not a currency. The IRS points out while bitcoin may be used by the currency, no country accepts it as legal tender. And, oh, they were on fire. The crypto currency folks were on fire on Twitter and online about the IRS ruling on that. Very interesting.
[Harlow:] People are just talking about it more and more. It is fascinating. But try explaining in ten seconds. Very confusing.
[Romans:] I know. All I know is that Warren Buffett said it might not be around in 10 or 20 years. So, there you go.
[Harlow:] He tends to get things right. All right. Well, the search window narrowing for investigators, trying to find missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Right now, a very intense search being carried out in the air and by sea. We're going to take you live for the very latest. But first, here at home, major snowstorm set to pummel the East Coast. What? Not spring yet. Jennifer Gray explains, next.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now: new polls giving Republicans the news they want to hear and their best position yet to take control of the U.S. Senate. The midterm elections now just one day away. Democrats sinking in some of the tight races across the country. The White House now preparing for the worst. We will break down the numbers from the big races to watch, coming up.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Ebola nurse Kaci Hickox with a new apology this morning, days after winning her fight against the state- imposed quarantine. Why she is now planning to stay away from the public.
[Berman:] And then blindfolded in a tightrope between two Chicago skyscrapers. Why? Television ratings. Daredevil Nik Wallenda with his latest death-defying stunt. Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It's 29 minutes past the hour. It is Monday morning. Monday morning with a midterm ahead of us, Republicans waking up to good news this Monday. A swarm of new polls giving an edge to their candidates, sharply increasing the odd the GOP will gain control of the Senate. Now, this spells trouble for the Democrats. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told the progressive group that Iowa is critical. And then, just hours later, a Des Moines register poll showed Republican Senate candidate Joni Ernst now up over seven points over Democrat Bruce Braley. That is a much bigger margin than other recent polling. Democrats have been bringing up the big guns. Bill Clinton was there, but that did not dim Joni Ernst's confidence.
[Bill Clinton, Former President:] America is coming back. The question is how. We are going to come back. We have got to grow together, and to grow together, we have got to work together. And to get that result, Iowa needs to send Bruce Braley to the Senate.
[Joni Ernst , Iowa Senate Candidate:] We are reaching out to every Iowan that we possibly can. So, it's not just Republicans. It's independents and it's a lot of Democrats, too, that see the need to change direction.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Another big gun deployed in another trouble spot for the Democrats. This on the Kentucky Senate race. Hillary Clinton was stumping in Lexington for challenger Alison Lundergan grimes. Democrats had been hoping to pick off Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, but a new NBC NewsMarist poll has McConnell with a nine-point lead over Lundergan Grimes. That's up slightly from an 8- point edge in early September. Grimes and Clinton were seeking to define McConnell as a creature Washington.
[Alison Lundergan Grimes , Kentucky Senate Candidate:] He doesn't have a plan for the future. He doesn't have a vision that's for me or for you because our senator bought and paid for by the millionaires and billionaires. That's all he's been looking out for.
[Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary Of State:] Make sure you send Alison Lundergan Grimes to Washington to fight for you.
[Romans:] In Louisiana, Senator Mary Landrieu leading a three-way race for re-election by seven points. In Louisiana, a candidate has to reach 50 percent to win, otherwise, the top two vote-getters go to a runoff. And in a head-to-head matchup with Republican Bill Cassidy, the latest poll show Landrieu trailing.
[Berman:] In Georgia, Democrats have been hoping that Michelle Nunn could pick a Republican seat there. But the latest NBC NewsMarist poll shows that Republican David Perdue is ahead by four points. Now, as in Louisiana, neither candidate gets to 50 percent on Tuesday, they will go to a runoff. The Georgia runoff is January. That's how long you'd have to wait. Even then, if you look at the head to head matchup, the Republican still leads 48 percent to 44 percent. In a debate over the weekend, Nunn went after Perdue on economic inequality, where Perdue did his best to saddle Nunn with the president's deep unpopularity in Georgia.
[Michelle Nunn , Georgia Senate Candidate:] David, during your tenure at Dollar General, you made over $40 million. And yet, there were 2,000 women that sued the company during your tenure. And they said they were paid less, and it was found by federal investigators that they were paid less.
[David Perdue , Georgia Senate Candidate:] There's no wonder why this president wants you in Washington. He needs a rubber stamp to make this government bigger. He's already added $7 trillion to our debt. He wants to add $6 trillion more. He's on track to more than double our debt, even though he said he would cut it in half.
[Romans:] The president, to be fair, said he would cut the deficit in half, not the debt in half. The debt keeps going up because Congress passes bills to spend the money. Now, President Obama just wrapped up campaign stops in Connecticut and Pennsylvania, stumping for gubernatorial candidates in states where he is still popular enough to help turn out the voters. For the most part in this election, the president has been headlining big money fund-raisers for candidates who mostly refer to avoid standing next to him in rallies. CNN Washington correspondent Erin McPike has more from the White House.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Washington Correspondent:] John and Christine, President Obama headlined his last campaign rally of the season yesterday. He had campaigned in just seven rallies this year. He was in Connecticut yesterday afternoon campaigning for the Democratic governor. He has been trying to get the women and Latino voters. Listen here to him make an appeal just yesterday.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Hope is what America is all about, hope and better days. Hope and building up the middle class. Hope in handing down something better to our kids. That's why you have to vote. That's what Dan Malloy believes.
[Mcpike:] Now, again, President Obama won't be campaigning today or Tuesday. That was it. The White House is likely preparing for this possible Republican Senate takeover that would happen after the elections on Tuesday. Listen here to Republican Senator Rand Paul and former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell talk about the likely outcome on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION" yesterday.
[Sen. Rand Paul , Kentucky:] I think the wind is at our back. I think this election is going to be a referendum on the president. Even he acknowledged, his policies will be on the ballot. And he will indirectly on the ballot.
[Ed Rendell , Former Pa Governor:] I think the Republicans, be careful what you wish for. If they get the Senate, they better do something. They better send the president some responsible piece of legislation or they'll get crushed in 2016.
[Mcpike:] We also learned this weekend that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was briefed over the weekend. And he was told that he should expect that Wednesday morning, he will wake up and be the majority leader to be, John and Christine.
[Berman:] All right. Erin McPike, our thanks to you. President Obama's trip to Pennsylvania on Sunday faced a non-political hitch. Air Force One developed what the White House calls a non- mechanical problem with its wing flaps. That was where the president headlined a rally in Temple University. The plane replaced by a back up with a Boeing 757, usually used for runways too short to accommodate the modified 747 that the president normally flies.
[Romans:] There are tight races for governor across the country, also drawing plenty of star power. In Florida, Vice President Joe Biden campaigned for Democrat Charlie Crist, while former Governor Jeb Bush stumped for current Governor Rick Scott. Later today, Bill Clinton will put in his own appearance, making one last push for Charlie Crist at the University of Central Florida rally.
[Berman:] Signs that race for governor in Maryland may have tightened, even though Democrats outnumber Republicans 2-1 in that state, a blue state. Democrat Anthony Brown, the current lieutenant governor, has slid to within a point of Republican Larry Hogan in the polls. And the respected "Cook Political Report" just declared the race is a toss up. National Democratic groups are pumping money into the race. And First Lady Michelle Obama headed in Baltimore today for a big rally at the War Memorial Building.
[Romans:] This is not the only close race for governor by any means. The Cook Political Report" now rates a total of 14 states across the country too close to call, including ten involving incumbents, the greatest number of imperiled incumbents in the report's 30-year history. Democrats had been hoping to eat into that lead on Tuesday, but they are finding themselves on defensive in several states they now hold, including in Maryland and Connecticut. GOP candidates cashing more checks from Wall Street than ever before. A record 63 percent of contributions from bank employees went to Republicans this cycle. $78 million, Wall Street looking for Republican victories because that could lead to more pro-business policies. At least that's the theory. That could be a win for several sectors. Financial sector, Democrats have turned up the heat on banks since the financial crisis. The Republican controlled Senate could change that. Also energy, Republicans will likely push for more lenient environmental policies or at least blocked restrictions. Finally, industrials, Republicans tend to support defense spending. That could help companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing.
[Berman:] That's interesting, though. Not always the Tea Party. The Tea Party folks aren't for more defense spending.
[Romans:] That's right.
[Berman:] An apology this morning from Kaci Hickox, even the nurse has a court order blocking her quarantine, she still plans to stay away from her neighbors until her 21-day incubation period for Ebola expires.
[Kaci Hickox, Nurse:] I understand that the community has been through a lot in the past week and I do, you know, apologize to them for that. I will not go into town, into crowded public places. You know, I have had a few friends visit me in my home. And that's absolutely fantastic.
[Berman:] Hickox says her goal along has been to make the national debate about Ebola about science and not politics.
[Romans:] Meanwhile, a possible Ebola patient is being evaluated right now at Duke University Medical Center in North Carolina. This unidentified male patient flew into Newark International three days ago from Liberia. We are told he travelled to the Durham area on a commercial bus before developing a fever on Saturday. Lab results due back this morning.
[Berman:] A New York city doctor battling Ebola is showing signs of improvement this morning. Dr. Craig Spencer's condition had been serious, but stable, just upgraded now to stable. Nine days after he was admitted with a high fever. Spencer caught the virus in Guinea while treating patients. He was working with Doctors Without Borders.
[Romans:] It's been a raging debate. Should health care workers returning from West Africa, should they face mandatory quarantine even if they are showing no signs and symptoms of Ebola? Take a look at the results of the NBC News"Wall Street Journal" poll 71 percent of Americans say they should be subjected to 21-day quarantine. Only 24 percent, John, disagree with that. Breaking overnight: investigators revealing what may have caused the Virgin Galactic spacecraft to explode.
[Berman:] Plus, daredevil Nik Wallenda conquers the Chicago skyline and the television airwaves, tightrope walking between two skyscrapers blindfolded. What do you think he said the scariest thing was? We're going to tell you, next.

[Whitfield:] New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio arriving just moments ago at the private wake for fallen New York police detective, Wenjian Liu. Liu was one of two officers ambushed and killed last month in Brooklyn. New York Mayor Bill de Blasio attending today's wake and also will be speaking at Liu's funeral tomorrow. The mayor's attendance prompted an official request from New York's police commissioner, who also arrived at the wake there. He asked members of the NYPD to show respect to the mayor. Demanding that in a memo after many of the members in blue turned their backs to the mayor during the ceremony of Liu's partner last week. Our Sara Ganim joining us now from outside that wake location there in a rainy Brooklyn. Sara, was there a salute? Did anyone turn their backs to the mayor?
[Sara Gamin, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, you just saw the mayor walk in, Fred. And just before him, we also saw the police commissioner walk in and dozens, maybe even hundreds of other NYPD officers who are arriving here. I've seen patrol cars from other jurisdictions as well. They've been coming in. I just want to give you a chance to take a look at them walking in. A steady stream of officers walking into this funeral home to pay their respects during the wake of Officer Wenjian Liu. This is a very similar scene to what we saw last weekend for the wake of his partner, Rafael Raphael Ramos. But what we're expecting tomorrow, the police commissioner here, the NYPD police commissioner, is hoping it's slightly different from what we saw last week at the Officer Rafael Ramos' funeral. Police Commissioner William Bratton issued a memo asking specifically that members of the NYPD do not turn their backs to the mayor when he speaks tomorrow at Wenjian Liu's funeral. Now taking you back to explain why he would do that, well, there's been some growing tension between the mayor and members of the NYPD over in part his remarks about the decision not to indict one NYPD officer in the apparent chokehold death of Eric Garner. Now, because of those growing tensions there were members of NYPD who did turn their backs. There were pictures that were taken at that funeral. It was a very powerful image. A lot of people were talking about it. And William Bratton was concerned that it took away from the funeral of Officer Rafael Ramos. I want to read you a little bit of what he said in his plea to officers to not do that again. He said this, he said, "It was not all the officers and it was not disrespect directed at Detective Ramos. But all officers were tainted by it. And it stole the valor, honor and attention that rightfully belonged to the memory of Detective Rafael Ramos' life and sacrifice. That was not the intent I know, but that was the result." So, Fred, as I mentioned, there's been a steady stream of people coming in to pay their respect. This is not a public wake. This is a private wake. But we do expect to see many more officers coming. And later this afternoon, there will be a public memorial in Chinatown that members of the community can attend.
[Whitfield:] OK. Sara Ganim, thank you so much, in Brooklyn. Appreciate that. All right. Coming up, a story of survival that is really difficult to imagine.
[Unidentified Male:] It's just really a miracle.
[Wilkins:] I went to the door, and there was a little girl, about 7 years old. Crying. Not bad. Lips quivering pretty good.
[Whitfield:] How a 7-year-old walked away from a plane crash then trekked through the snow and cold for nearly a mile to get help.

[Blitzer:] Overseas now where a double suicide bombing has killed more than 20 people in Beirut, Lebanon. It happened right in front of the Iranian embassy in Beirut. The group claiming responsibility pointed to the ongoing war in neighboring Syria as the reason they're demanding that the Iranian-backed terror group, Hezbollah, pulled out of Syria. Iran supplies weapons to the Syrian regime of Bashar Al Assad as well. President Obama met with Senate leaders from both parties earlier this morning updating them on the nuclear talks with Iran. The next round of talks starting tomorrow in Geneva. The president is against imposing any additional new sanctions calling them an obstacle to getting an agreement. Tennessee Republican Senator Bob Corker was over at the White House for that meeting. He's back on Capitol Hill right now, the ranking member of the foreign relations committee. So, did you buy, senator, what the president was selling today as far as no new sanctions against Iran, at least while these negotiations are underway?
[Sen. Bob Corker , Tennessee:] You know, Wolf, we had a very good, you know, long, detailed conversation about where things are. This weekend, obviously, in Geneva, a break-through could occur, might not occur. I don't think anybody's looking at it as a fait accompli. And I think you know that the Senate business on the Senate floor is such that there's not going to be any kind of amendment that passes. I think you know that Senator Reid has, quote, "filled the tree." And to your listening audience, what that means is we're going to keep any kind of amendments from being heard on Iran anyway. So, you know, we're going to I'm going to assess here over the next couple hours what the president said, how the conversation went, go over some of the details with our staff. But let's face it, I mean, at the end of the day, there aren't going to be sanctions in place prior to new sanctions anyway but the in place relative to Iran before this meeting takes place. And you know, it could be it could be good to see how this weekend goes before assessing what next Congress needs to do. So, it was a good meeting. I think there are a lot of us, me being one, that still is concerned about alleviating the leverage that we have and not getting enough in return and a lot of concerns about this is interim deal being the new norm, that once you hit this interim deal, that's the end of it. There's
[Blitzer:] Well, let's
[Corker:] I'm concerned about a not very explicit end state being part of this and that's of great concern to me.
[Blitzer:] Well, Let's say there is an interim deal worked out in Geneva over the next few days, for six months let's say, just throw out that figure. The Iranians are demanding at least some easing of international, including U.S. sanctions, on Iran which are very painful, obviously, to the Iranian government and to the Iranian people. Would you be willing to ease, ease up at least moderately, some of those sanctions if there is this is so-called interim deal?
[Corker:] Well, actually, Wolf, Congress has no say on the easing of those sanctions. The president has full waiver authority. Some of the sanctions were put in place by executive order. The most binding were put in place by Congress. But even so, he has a waiver. I don't think that he's planning on waiving any of those that were put in by Congress. You've read news accounts as to what they're looking at and I don't know that it's my place to go into details. But the fact is that Congress really, at this point, in the negotiation and especially because you know, a deal would be reached this weekend, there's not going to be amendments on the floor. There's certainly not going to be passage of a bill. Congress really has no say so in what the president may agree to waive over the next few days.
[Blitzer:] As you know, this potential deal is putting a real serious strain in U.S. relations, not only with Israel but a lot of the other friendly countries, the Saudis, the Emirates, Kuwait, the new regime, if you will, in Egypt. Was the president concerned about, for example, the U.S.-Israeli fall out from this?
[Corker:] You know, Wolf, there was there was a good deal of discussion about Israel. It was more about some of the technical aspects of the deal and some of the concerns that they have. Obviously, because of Iran's stated of position of wanting to wipe Israel off the map, and the proximity, obviously, to Israel, this is something that's more up close and personal by far. And so, you know, we did discuss some of those concerns. There really wasn't a great deal of discussion about the relationship, the allies, except in passing. It was really, Wolf, to focus on the potentialities of this deal. The details. What an end state might be. What the interim deal was composed of. That was really the major focus. And I thought the meeting was a good meeting from a standpoint of understanding those issues. Again, I think you've got people at that meeting that feel like this is a really bad thing to be doing. I think you've got people in the meeting that feel like this is a very good thing to be doing. And I think there's probably multiple folks in the middle that are still concerned about the loosing of this leverage. As I mentioned before, the interim deal becoming the norm, meaning that's the deal. We never get to the end state. And the fact that then you've sort of lost your coalition of countries that are involved with you in these sanctions. But again, we're going to I'm going to digest over the next few hours what was heard. Talk a little bit talk it over and, again, just for what it's worth, there's nothing, regardless of what is being said, there's nothing that Congress can do between now and this weekend to affect this weekend's discussions. I think the concerns that were raised, though, one or two specifically, could affect the way the administration does approach this weekend. And to that end, I think it was positive when we had the meeting today.
[Blitzer:] We'll see what happens. Senator Corker, thanks so much for coming in.
[Corker:] Thank you. Thank you.
[Blitzer:] It looks like U.S. Airways and American Airlines will merge to become the world's biggest airline after all. Now United Airlines says it's getting ready for the competition. We're going to hear from United's CEO on his plan to cut billions from his bottom line.

[Paul:] All righty. Here's a look at some of the other stories making headlines now.
[Blackwell:] In Charleston, South Carolina, hundreds of people are expected to attend the funeral of Reverend DePayne Middleton-Doctor later today. The 49-year-old was among the nine victims at the Emanuel AME Church. Myra Thompson's funeral set for tomorrow evening. And funeral plans for the last victim, Reverend Daniel Simmons Sr. have not yet been announced. Look at this. Video of a helicopter hoisting people out of water. Police say a boat carrying nine people was swept over a dam near the town of New Market, Maryland. One person drowned, and the other eight, they barely made it out alive. Hey, last hour, we asked if you if fans of NASCAR, rather, should get on board with a plan to ban the Confederate flag from the racetrack.
[Paul:] Coy Wire is back with your reaction. I'm seeing so much of it on Twitter.
[Coy Wire, Cnn Sports:] Great reaction from you guys. Get you caught up really quickly NASCAR chairman Brian France said the flag is a, quote, "offensive and divisive symbol" and they released a statement supporting the removal of the confederate flag from South Carolina state house and they're reaffirming their stance against the use of the flag at their events. Now, NASCAR has banned the use of the flag at their events for more than a decade but it still found its way into events. Now, NASCAR has taken strong stances against the flag in the past like in 2012 when it banned pro golfer Bubba Watson's plan to drive the Dukes of Hazzard car at the track in phoenix because the car has the confederate flag on its roof. Now, we love when you our NEW DAY family joins us in the conversation. Now, here's who you've had to say, Being a hot button topic there was mixed reaction. Zack said NASCAR wants to ban the flag? Quit saying a prerace prayer because it might offend an s atheist. How about chandler, it may be banned but that won't stop people finding ways to bring it in and showing their southern pride. This may be the quote of the day. Jesse Jones, "NASCAR is for racing, not racism. Lose the Confederate flag." And finally, Suzie said, "It's the principle. What's next? Reverse our history? Flags should remain." Hot topic. Conversation for sure guys but thanks as always for joining us in the conversation. #NewDayCNN, or @CNN. We're there to listen and have you join us in the talk.
[Paul:] Yes, we want to know what you think. Coy, thank you so much.
[Wire:] Thank you, guys.

[Whitfield:] All right, we'll have more on the big winter storm in a moment. But now another big story we're following, Japan is mourning the apparent killing of a second Japanese citizen by ISIS. A video released Saturday appeared to show the beheading of journalist Kenji Goto. Prime minister Shinzo Abe promises never to forgive or yield to intimidation. One Japanese official is now offering to expands support for any refugees displaced by ISIS. Meanwhile, the fate of the Jordanian pilot held by the terror group is unknown. Jordan's government vows to keep working for Moaz al- Kasasbeh's release. But its proof of life request has gone unanswered. ISIS is demanding that Jordan release a convicted female terrorist in exchange for sparing the pilot's life. Kenji Goto's apparent beheading, the uncertain fate of the Jordanian pilot and ISIS'assault of the oil rich city of Kirkuk are all disturbing development in the global fight against terrorism. So for now, I'm joined by CNN global affairs analyst Kimberly Dozier. All right, so Kimberly, you know, does it seem that ISIS continues to have the upper hand here? It doesn't appear to be there are any signs of defeating this organization?
[Kimberly Dozier, Cnn Global Affairs Analyst:] Well the amazing thing is we have been so focused on the spectacle of the tragedy of the hostages apparently being killed that we have not paid any attention to the news media, the lost of Kobani for ISIS. ISIS actually admitted on its own news media that it has to pull out of Kobani which is that strategic town visible from the Turkish border just inside Syria. And they're not, instead, they are getting to capitalize on images of the hostages as a recruiting tool and also to make it seem like they have the coalition on the back foot.
[Whitfield:] OK. So competing messages here. You're saying by Kobani by ISIS losing its grip on Kobani, shows that it has weakened, yet the very public image is yet another beheading by the hands of ISIS makes it appear it is emboldened, it is growing. So which message do we believe?
[Dozier:] Well, it actually said about that the border barrage and the barrage from the coalition airstrikes was too intense and it's going to try to go after that city for another day. But overall, what is does is focus on the hostages that if you're a journalist or aid worker considering going into Syria you'll reconsider your plans. That means more and more pockets of Syrians inside the country are going to be cut off from international aid. They're stories aren't going to be told. Initially that will be good for ISIS. They will be able to use that as part of their recruiting tool that they are more in charge. But in the long run, you this happens years ago in Iraq when the Al-Qaeda there started to kidnapping more and more people. They had to start taking care of the territory that they controlled. And in the long run, they have to worry about getting supplies to people, good governance. It is hard to do. What happened there is they started dealing with unrest with local population and cracking down harshly. The local population in the end started chaffing under that. So that is what the coalition is hoping for in the long run. But in the short term you can imagine that there are more people saying I want to be part of that fight which is bad for anyone trying to help Syrian people on the ground.
[Whitfield:] Interesting. Alright, Kimberly Dozier, thank you so much. Appreciate it. It's a very complex situation. But it sounds to me that you're saying that maybe the Intel community or at least members of the coalition, maybe Saudi Arabia and an air force or U.S. air force need to somewhat comforted that their mission of airstrikes at least in Kobani seem to be working. I hope we can get a chance to talk more on this. All right, thanks so much, Kimberly. Appreciate it. All right, still ahead, back in the states here, lots of people very excited about this day Super bowl Sunday. The kickoff from Glendale, Arizona just three hours or so away. Rachel Nichols is there in the nix.
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Host, Unguarded:] It is absolutely beautiful here. Everyone is ready for a football game. And there's one very important player who has told me he is going to make it. I'll have all the details after this.

[Cuomo:] The family of the girl run over by a truck after the Asiana crash last summer is reacting to the disturbing video you just saw. Their lawyer is speaking out saying it shows fire crews noticing her body near the runway, but neglecting to check to see if she were alive. Her family seeing the video for the first time. CNN's Rene Marsh is in Washington with more. What's the reaction so far, Rene?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation And Government Regulation Correspondent:] Well, Chris, we showed you portions of the video yesterday. And now we have the entire video from firefighter's helmet cameras. The new video couples with the facts, it really paints a disturbing picture. It suggests that emergency rescue teams did nothing to rescue this girl.
[Marsh:] This chilling video up close of the burning Asiana fuselage is shocking the family of one crash victim.
[Unidentified Male:] Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop, stop, stop. There's a body right there's a body right there right in front of you. All right.
[Marsh:] Investigators say that body is 16-year-old Ye Mengyuan, who the San Francisco medical examiner says was still alive at that moment. Surviving the crash, she somehow managed to escape the aircraft and came to rest in this grassy area. Within minutes, firefighters arrive on the scene. You can see them walking by her, even waving a fire truck around her. But not a single firefighter stops to check her pulse or see if she was breathing.
[Justin Green, Family Attorney:] At least five firefighters who saw her who understood she was there and none of them did the basic step of checking if she was alive.
[Marsh:] As the fire on the plane continued to rage, this truck moves into position and here rolls over his head killing her. But sadly, it does not end there. Another firefighter jumped into this rescue truck, allegedly without proper equipment or a spotter. The truck maneuvered into the area where Ye Mengyuan was located and rolls over her a second time.
[Green:] It's unthinkable. It's unimaginable, because the first thing that the first priority of the firefighters or any rescue personnel is saving lives. The person that needed their help the most was Mengyuan, and that's the person they didn't help.

[Jay Pharoah, Cast Member, Nbc's "saturday Night Live":] Well, good evening, my fellow Americans. As of tonight Russian forces still occupy the Crimea Peninsula inside Ukraine, and Crimean lawmakers have begun steps to secede. And in these past few days, I've heard so many questions from the American people. Questions like, "Is this the first step towards war?" "What can the United States do?" And "Hold up, what's Crimea?"
[Johns:] Good question, right? Ukraine is no laughing matter for the real President Obama. He took a break from his Florida vacation to reach out to world leaders on Saturday morning. He called French President Francois Hollande and the prime ministers of both Italy and Britain, as well as other European leaders.
[Brown:] The president was looking for support to trying to de- escalate the crisis in Crimea. Mr. Obama and several heads of state agreed Russia should exit Ukraine and that Ukraine sovereignty should be restored.
[Johns:] We'll have more on the crisis in Ukraine coming up in just a bit, including what could be Russia's next move. And we'll talk with a Russian TV anchor to get an insider's perspective.
[Brown:] Meantime in other news this morning, Senator Rand Paul took home the honors for the second year in a row. The Tea Party darling finished first in the CPAC straw poll yesterday, crushing second-place finisher Senator Ted Cruz. CNN national political reporter Peter Hamby was at the event. So Peter, tell us about Paul's win.
[Peter Hamby, Cnn National Political Reporter:] Joe, Pamela, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul had a blowout win here in the CPAC presidential straw poll. This is a test of conservative activists about who they want to be their Republican standard-bearer in 2016. Paul won a full 30 percent of the votes here, and Ted Cruz, the second place finisher, only got 11 percent, a distant second. He was followed in third place by Ben Carson, a conservative neurosurgeon, a regular on the conservative speaking circuit who's really popular with grassroots activists. Surprisingly, in fourth place, outperforming expectations, was New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Now Rand's win here shouldn't be viewed as a real predictor of who's going to be the Republican presidential nominee, but it is a good snapshot of how a slice of the conservative base feels about the potential field of candidates. And this event was dominated by libertarians and young people. They really have rallied to Rand Paul in recent years. A full half of CPAC's straw poll voters were between the ages of 18 and 25. Rand Paul rode the wave after a really big speech here to a big victory in the CPAC straw poll, just like he did last year Joe, Pamela.
[Brown:] Peter Hamby, thank you very much for that.
[Johns:] Still to come here on NEW DAY, never mind his recent slumps and injuries. Tiger Woods set the Cadillac Championship on fire this weekend, but can he win it all today?.

[Lu Stout:] You're watching News Stream. A little bit later in the show we will return to the legacy of Robin Williams. But first, let's go to Iraq. Now the U.S. has welcomed the nomination of Haider al-Abadi to be Iraq's next prime minister. Now the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is urging al-Abadi to quicky form a unity government to help the country come together and defeat ISIS militants. But the incumbent Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki calls the nomination a constitutional violation and has declared the appointment null and void. Now the UN is calling for urgent action to stop what it calls a mass tragedy unfolding in northern Iraq. A senior Kurdish official says tens of thousands of civilians may still be trapped on Mount Sinjar. Now the UN says the Yazidis, a religious minority, are at immediate risk of death by starvation or slaughter by ISIS militants. Now CNN's Ivan Watson joined an Iraqi helicopter mission to Mount Sinjar and witnessed the fear and desperation there firsthand.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Correspondent:] Machine gunners unleashed bursts of hot metal. This is the crew aboard an Iraqi Air Force helicopter. They burn through cartridges and belts of ammunition while rushing an aircraft full of food, diapers, water and baby's milk over ISIS front lines to the civilians trapped on Sinjar mountain.
[Watson:] They are opening fire at targets down below. [inaudible] They're clearly trying to defend the aircraft. You can see the people below trapped on Sinjar mountain. They're clustered under olive trees right now, waving to us. They seem to have gathered in these shelters down here. A lot of women and children waving. The crew hurls packages out the door. People swarm the chopper. [on camera]: This has been one chaotic aid distribution. I mean, I really hope he didn't hurt anybody with the bottles of water we were throwing down from the height of 20, 30 feet. Its chaotic, but people were waving. They were giving thumbs up. And there are a couple people very relieved to be off the mountain and clearly very, very frightened. [voice-over]: Then the helicopter lands one last time to pick up more passengers. [on camera]: Here they come. [voice-over]: More desperate people throw themselves at the aircraft. Heaving their children on board. It's first come, first served. There were some who couldn't make it. Aboard the aircraft, shock. Exhaustion. Fear that eventually gives way to relief.? [on camera] I can't describe to you how relieved people are right now. They're just shocked and the chaos of that moment. But we have little Aziza here, she's not happy because she says her father got left behind. The gunners are opening fire on targets below. They're protecting the helicopter. But it's terrifying these little kids who are traumatized after their week trapped on that mountain. The problem is we're flying over ISIS front lines. This is the only protection we have right now to protect the aircraft and its precious cargo. [voice-over] Tensions ease when we cross into Kurdish controlled territory. For a moment, there are even smiles as these children realize their ordeal on the mountain is finally over. Ivan Watson, CNN, over Sinjar Mountain in Northern Iraq.
[Lu Stout:] It was really gripping and stirring to watch the raw human emotion there in that story. Now as rescue efforts continue in the north, political tensions are growing in the capital of Baghdad. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh is there for us. He joins us live. And Nick, Haider al-Abadi, can he make a workable government for Iraq?
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, he faces the hurdles of, of course, Iraq's fractious parliament, but there does seem to be adequate support, at least for his nomination to suggest he may have some kind of chance in the 30 days ahead to create a cabinet and get it approved by the legislation here. That's something that John Kerry as U.S. secretary of state has urged him to do as quickly as possible. But the big hurdle, of course is Nuri al-Maliki. He is sounding very pugilistic, really not desiring to step back in any hurry at all and of course has the option potentially to try and muster security forces here in some degree to forcibly keep him in power. He's also talked about mounting constitutional challenges through the court. That, itself, has [inaudible] for the constitution is not even 10 years old here, so it's hardly been tested by the framework of laws. A very I think quietly tense day here in Baghdad, the political elite trying to work out quite what comes next. And a lot really handing on Nuri al-Maliki's next word. He is shunning a lot of his allies, not paying much attention to higher Shia religious authorities and their calls for moderation and the lack of personal ambition in the days ahead, and also the United States now warning him very clearly not to attempt to use force to stay in power Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] And Nick, from the political struggle in Iraq to the military struggle there, the United States has agreed to arm the Kurds. What difference will that make in the battle against ISIS militants?
[Walsh:] Well, it will certainly mean hopefully they won't run out of ammunition when they confront ISIS militants on the various front lines around there. But at the end of the day ISIS are so extraordinarily ruthless and extremist that many forces who confront them find it extraordinarily difficult to battle against a foe who simply want to die in combat, part of their religious duty or honor. So, yes, weapons will certainly I think many in the Kurdish areas hope stem the ISIS advance along with U.S. air strikes too. It has to be a more fundamental change in Iraq where as many hope perhaps a new prime minister can galvanize a national unity government representing all different sectarian groups in this country. And the ultimate goal to perhaps make those Sunnis who have so far given solace, or at least ground to operate for ISIS in the north of the country and elsewhere perhaps change heart, see a future, maybe, in the central government. But these are extraordinarily complex asks after years of sectarian division, the chaos simply spiraling out of control rather than seeing itself slow. Every morning you seem to wake to a new form of crisis there, Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] And also the humanitarian mission there in Iraq, fears are still growing for the besieged Yazidi community. We watch that dramatic helicopter rescue of some of the stranded, but is more help on the way?
[Walsh:] Yes. The United States is dropping what it can. 16,000 food pallets, if I remember correctly. A lot of cargo planes in the air. The British dropping reusable water bottles and also a little solar lamps they say that can help recharge mobile phones, perhaps giving those trapped some sense of solace. Maybe it's better to communicate with the outside world, at least. But we are talking about tens of thousands of people trapped in that geographical oddity, the Sinjar Mountains. And of course ISIS nearby held perhaps in bay by 15 U.S. airstrikes, if I remember correctly yesterday as American officials announce. But it's a mammoth job to hold the sort of extremist militancy of ISIS at bay with its goal of tackling, killing many of these Yazidis, and a very hard task for some of them to walk out on foot, or as you saw in Ivan's piece there, get the very rare and limited seats out on helicopters. The weather here punishing, the conditions lethal, and still thousands trapped and unable to get help Kristie.
[Lu Stout:] CNN's Nick Paton Walsh reporting live in Baghdad, thank you. You're watching News Stream. And coming up next, this 7-year-old son of an Australian terrorist caught up in a fight beyond his years. And now, a disturbing photo posted by his father is drawing strong condemnation from around the world. That photo and the details when we come back.

[Morgan:] Women lead the way to react in the government, no temper tensions, no bickering, just the willingness to compromise and get stuff done. It begs your question, a women better negotiators of men. I want to talk about that a lot more tonight with Star Jones, attorney and spokesperson of the National Association of Professional Women, and E.D. Hill, a Conservative Analyst, and author, "I'm Not Your Friend, I'm Your Parent". Wow, tough.
[E.d. Hill, Conservative Analyst, Author, I'm Not Your Friend, I'm Your Parent:] I think just like my mother actually.
[Morgan:] So, Star Jones would it been better off to kick all the men out of the rooms here in Washington and let the women trash it out or is that just a terrible cliche that actually [inaudible] wouldn't have actually made any difference?
[Star Jones, Attorney, Spokesperson, National Association Of Professional Women:] Well, actually we did make a difference. It's interesting that of the 13 senators that put the bipartisan agreement together half were indeed women when women only comprise 20 percent of the senate, we have 20 sits out of a 100. So, it's clear that the women took the lead in this situation. I think pretty much universally everybody has talked about just how Susan Collins, she did a move like I call it the [inaudible] or get off the pop move she rolled in to the senate floor and said, "Listen, this is a plan that I'm putting for. If you got something better come with it and if you don't let's get on the stick." And I thought that was very admirable, courageous leadership is what the women showed.
[Morgan:] Right. I mean, E.D. Hill I presume you would agree in principle with that..
[Hill:] No, no, no. I don't at all.
[Morgan:] Oh you wouldn't?
[Hill:] I think you're totally sexist. I think it's ridiculous this day and age to be sitting there saying, a woman just because she's a just because she's a woman or a man, just because he's a man, can do anything better. But if you look at the people who have also been sighted as the obstructionist in congress, those happen to be some women too. So, I think you can find it, you find good people and you find bad people anywhere you go.
[Jones:] But in this situation this women stepped up. I mean, the men have the opportunity to step up. These women chose to step up.
[Morgan:] ... there are other women out there was being as obstructive as the obstructive men and that is true, some of them were.
[Jones:] Yeah, but not on the leadership side. And that's the point. We don't have as many women on the leadership side that could actually step into that place.
[Morgan:] Is that a good point? If they were more women actually running the show because there really are. If they were, would that help in the final negotiation stage of this process? [Inaudible].
[Hill:] I think Nancy Pelosi is pretty senior. I think Nancy Pelosi is up there. I think Michele Bachmann has got a pretty strong voice. And if you're a person who feels that there are people in there, there are sort of gumming up the works, I would say that that on both sides you could point to those to women. You know, maybe you support them, maybe you don't. But they certainly were taking the more strident positions. Yes. You definitely had some great women in there, but I should think I think they're great human beings, they're great Americans.
[Jones:] Well, I agree that they're great human beings, but we also have to agree if the women have not stood up, we would not be in this position. I mean we can go back and forth if you want that the guys are just as good as the women and we negotiate the same way, I do think that I disagree with that. I mean I see it across the board all the time when it comes to women. All I do everyday is sit with powerful women. That's my job.
[Morgan:] And all women is instinctive [inaudible] you think less testosterone field?
[Jones:] Well, there's no question. There's absolutely no question.
[Morgan:] Mr. Ted Cruz also nailed chest beating. I must win the old thoughts.
[Jones:] Well, that's because we don't engage in that time-honored sport of whose is bigger. That's not a big deal to me. My big deal...
[Hill:] I tell you what?
[Jones:] Let me hear what you got to say.
[Hill:] A kid on the opposing football team hits my son, I am ready to go bust his butt because it makes me that mad. So I don't thin that women are any weaker or mild, or anything. Do it for common sense.
[Jones:] Yes.
[Hill:] Yes. And I think that is simply because the fact of the matter is for a long time, we've been running the houses. We've been running these budgets.
[Morgan:] Let me [inaudible] a little bit. Women tend to be...
[Hill:] We've been doing those...
[Morgan:] It has to be more practical.
[Jones:] I agree. I do agree with that.
[Morgan:] Well, you're saying that the have a lion share of the practicality of the household, right?
[Jones:] You have to be pragmatic.
[Hill:] Yes.
[Jones:] You have to have negotiating skills. You have to be willing to compromise. You have to walk into the room with the attitude of, how do I make this work rather than this won't work. And I think that's something that we do much better.
[Hill:] We also have to deal with the kids, you know. You've got to discipline. You've got to be the firm one. You've got to be the one who's the peace maker between fighting siblings. We get all the skill set every second of our lives. So, I do think that there are some unique qualities that women just by nature do possess because of...
[Jones:] Did you see that?
[Hill:] ... how we've been.
[Jones:] We can disagree without, being disagreeable, and we actually care.
[Morgan:] Exactly. [Inaudible] because I guess two men have started away, this discussion started with you leaping up is a bad sexes. It would have very quickly become a chest beating argument where they were both be determined to win. You've actually reached interesting point of consensus, which in itself is quite eliminating. Let's take a break. As we come back, I'll talk about the 2016 race because and they will be at the end of all that. The first ever female president of the United States. Then we'll really find out won't we? If you're better at this game than we are.
[Jones:] We sure, can be worst.

[Richard Quest, Cnn:] Hello, I'm Richard Quest at CNN in New York with the news of the Federal Reserve's latest meeting. The Federal Reserve has decided not to begin tapering its bond purchases at this latest September meeting. In an announcement just a few moments ago, the Fed now says that the U.S. economy remains very weak and the committee decided to await more evidence before adjusting the pace of its purchases. The Federal Reserve, the open market committee, has decided to continue purchasing U.S. bonds at the rate of $85 billion a month, $40 billion in long-term in treasuries and $45 billion in mortgage-backed securities. Now this is an extraordinary result, since most of the market had been expecting that the Fed would start the tapering process at this meeting. And if we look at the Dow Jones industrials, you'll see exactly how the market has reacted. The Dow is now up 106 points. But focus closely on the red to the left and the little smidgen of green to the right, because the market had been down 30-40 odd points throughout the session. And then we get this announcement of no tapering. And the reason the market likes it, because more cheap money will clearly be being pumped into the economy for the foreseeable future. So the Fed decides tapering will not take place now. Everyone knows that tapering is on the way. But with the U.S. economy still in a weakened position, the Fed has decided now is not the time to begin cutting back. I'm Richard Quest in New York.
[Amanpour:] And welcome back to the program. It's an old story that in the Middle East Jews and Muslims sometimes have struggled to live side by side. But it is not as old as you might think. Noted historian Simon Schama explains in his new book and documentary, "The Story of the Jews."
[Simon Schama, British Historian:] In our own age of bitter hatreds, it's not so easy to believe, but over 1,000 years ago, Cairo was home to one of the most thriving Jewish communities in the world. And that story was repeated across the eastern Mediterranean and in Arabia itself, the birthplace of a powerful new monotheistic faith, Islam.
[Amanpour:] Schama's story of the Jews spans thousands of years and thousands of miles, as it expands the focus far beyond the well-known tragic stories of the Holocaust and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I asked him about his latest project, as well as his take on Syria, another place where Jews once thrived. He had joined me earlier this week in the studio. Simon Schama, welcome.
[Schama:] Thank you.
[Amanpour:] Thank you for joining me.
[Schama:] Pleasure.
[Amanpour:] So the book, the film series on television, "The Story of the Jews," I was staggered by the sheer exuberance of it, the enthusiasm, the sort of joyfulness of the pieces that I have seen so far. And it is actually in stark contradiction to what one reviewer basically wrote, "Jewish history is not all a lachrymose chronicle of persecution," and that you had done a splendid job of shattering certain stereotypes. Was that your aim?
[Schama:] Yes, it was. I mean, it seemed to me particularly to the non- Jewish world, Jews are mostly defined and Jewish history through the frame of Auschwitz and the Holocaust and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now you can't run away from that, but that of course is not the whole story. And it seems to me that if you actually feel you might be in trouble every so often, you learn to live the other side of life, the exuberant, life- hungry side of it. Part of the other reason why I should do this series is to make connections really between the whole long story of the Jews. The Jews have not lived separately, you know, until they've been forced to by other people or their own sense of nervousness, as with the security fence in Israel has made them to do that. The default mode for Jewish life is not to self-ghettoize. So Jewish history has been American history and Russian history and British history and French history and German history. The film you saw, I was very concerned not to predetermine it. It ends in a sad place in the Holocaust Memorial. But the thrust of that program said, what one place where it looked as though everything was going to turn out fine?. Here it is. It's called Germany. And that's the important thing to do because people who have come to the Jewish story are who are not Jews, are nervous. They're nervous of either a kind of Jewish truculence or they're nervous of patronizing victims of the Holocaust. And part of the series states stop being so nervous. We're all in this together.
[Amanpour:] I was struck by what you've said in some of the program, that this is a story about tolerance.
[Schama:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] About learning to live together and to share, and the historic figures that you profile there, Jewish figures, who actually went against the grain, and wanted to have tolerance between different religions.
[Schama:] Right, right. The Jews have lived this issue of the difficulty, the pain of existing with people with whom they don't agree about fundamental principles more extremely than everybody else. They've not had a unique experience. They've lived it, of course, with such extraordinary intensity. So that is, you know, the sense where you can find someone like Moses Mendelssohn in the 18th century, the first Jewish intellectual celebrity, who's a religious Jew, but his best friend is a non-religious, extraordinarily kind of rational non-Jewish figure; that seemed very important. I say in that film, hanging out with people who are not your same faith seems so obvious now. But it was completely revolutionary then.
[Amanpour:] You talk about Syria in some of your programs. There's beautiful scenes of Jewish life in Syria. And obviously, you know, and actually quite a lot of Jewish life in the Middle East that actually was quite flourishing, for instance, in Egypt at a certain point in history. And I guess today, when we have the Syria story and we see the, you know, the terrible suffering, I wonder what you think when you see the realpolitik which has been victorious in this sort of arms control deal between Syria now and the United States and
[Schama:] Well, I myself am terribly conflicted about that because, on the one hand, you can't go through a long project like this in which the relationship between ethics and power is at the heart of the modern history. It still haunts Israeli life. It's why a lot of my friends who are writing the stories of the Jews who are novelists, like David Grossman, are kind of haunted about whether or not actually ethics comes first and power comes second, or whether we have an obligation to think about our survival. But there's the other Schama, like, you know, the other Christiane, who knows, you know, who's got his what's the 500th anniversary that's most important this year, Young Amanpour? It's Machiavelli's "The Prince." And Machiavelli, who looks weirdly like Vladimir Putin, same skinny face and beady little eyes, actually, they could have been brothers, Machiavelli and Putin, Machiavelli's point was out of unvirtuous calculations, things for the good of all can arise. So it's a bit much, a bit rich when Vladimir Putin takes to lecturing America in "The New York Times." He is, after all, an oligarchical, self- perpetuating, time-serving bully in Russia. But even those -he's perfectly like Cesare Borgia. He's capable of delivering some things you cannot but say is for the good of this particular misery.
[Amanpour:] Of course. But then when you talk about humanity, the humanitarian suffering will continue because it is just an arms control agreement. If it works, great; but it won't stop the war. So what do you say, having, you know, done this incredible history, to people about their apparent disaffection? They can't be bothered, as the saying goes now in England, the fact that publics are so against helping out those who are being killed
[Schama:] It'll come back to haunt us. It came back to haunt us in the 1930s when, you know, I mean once they get one scene not in the film, "The King's Speech," was Neville Chamberlain on the balcony of Buckingham Palace, waving his disgusting little piece of paper with thousands and thousands of people cheering him on. That came back to haunt the sense in which the most important thing is our own self-protection. Czechoslovakia, a faraway place of which we know little, nothing, whatever it was, that is it was a mistake. But again, it's very I won't say it's the Jewish position, but it is a Jewish position really to want to do more than wring your hands. Of course in the back of our minds is the sense in which I say on Program Five, it's not what the Nazis did to the Jews that makes a case for Israel. It's what everybody else failed to do.
[Amanpour:] Your film also is a story of survival of the Jews, despite the considerable odds. Does that have a special resonance today, do you think?
[Schama:] Well, I think it does. The peculiarity of that Jewish story is that you think you have to survive through the usual markers, which will give you power armies, states, institutions and territory. And that was all ripped away from the Jews. And all they had was a sense of their portable memory, written in the Bible, but in many in the Talmud and many other books, too. So in some sense, that's why we began the whole series actually with Sigmund Freud, who came to realize that whatever else happened to the Jews, the life of the mind, the life of the spirit, the life of reflection was not just a kind of sentimental luxury. It was actually the key to endurance.
[Amanpour:] So your series is airing now on the BBC. Your book is out in the U.K. It'll be airing in the spring and the book will come out in the United States in the spring. What do you want the takeaway to be, if I can be so crass? What is the takeaway that you want people to really hang onto [inaudible] in the book?
[Schama:] I think the work of toleration is very, very hard and the peace of the world depends on it, almost as much as thinking about the fate of the planet, the ecology of human beliefs. And what happened to the Jews has happened in other measure to other people, it's that we've lit it very dramatically; we've written about it. We've made it the heart of our story. But it's the celebration and the lament.
[Amanpour:] Simon Schama, fantastic. Thank you very much indeed.
[Schama:] It's a pleasure, Christiane.
[Amanpour:] And as we've seen, the one constant in the Middle East is change. That seems to be especially true today in Iran. And after the break, the story of another remarkable woman.

[Blitzer:] A big day for the first lady of the United States, Michelle Obama marking the fourth anniversary of her signature "Let's Move" campaign. The first lady has been teaming up with celebrities to help promote her cause, including the actress Amy Poehler. She just met with her a little while ago. Here's some video we just got.
[Amy Poehler, Actress:] This is so fun. Mrs. Obama is standing next to me like she's my audience and I'm just telling her jokes. This is like a dream. Except for the except for the box, which is a little embarrassing, isn't it? And I have to stand on that.
[Michelle Obama, First Lady:] It's pretty high.
[Poehler:] I'm a grown woman standing on a box.
[Blitzer:] There's the box. And the sneakers. Let's bring in our senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns. He's very tall. He doesn't have to stand on any boxes. Tell us what's going on.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Senior Washington Correspondent:] It depends. Well, Wolf, the good news today is that the latest study says obesity in children between the ages of 2 and 5 decreased dramatically over a 10-year period but so far no real change in the overall population. And this report comes at a time when the first lady has programmed to improve the fitness levels and eating habits is celebrating its fourth anniversary.
[Johns:] Americans' eating habits have apparently changed a lot.
[Unidentified Female:] Keep up with the first lady.
[Johns:] Since the first lady launched her "Let's Move" campaign four years ago to get people to eat better and exercise more.
[Obama:] Water just surpassed soda as the most commonly consumed beverage in America. Yay for water. Drink up.
[Johns:] And for the most part, she's kept the campaign fun and lighthearted, even with the help of big Hollywood stars, like this focus group video with comedian Will Ferrell.
[Obama:] Can you tell us some of your favorite fruits and vegetables?
[Unidentified Female:] Strawberries.
[Obama:] Strawberries.
[Will Ferrell, Actor:] Let me guess. Cabbage?
[Unidentified Male:] No.
[Ferrell:] Also, is diet cola, is that a vegetable?
[Unidentified Female:] No.
[Ferrell:] What's so funny?
[Johns:] Let's Move is on a roll or so it seems. There's even some evidence childhood obesity is dropping, though Centers for Disease Control aren't ready to say it is because of Mrs. Obama's program.
[Dr. Thomas Frieden, Director, Centers For Disease Control:] We're not certain what has driven the increase in child obesity. And we're far from out of the woods. We do know that there have been a number of things going in the right direction. There is increased attention to improving childhood nutrition, increasing breast feeding rates. Child care are doing physical activity.
[Johns:] All good perhaps but Let's Move still has its critics like today when the administration announced proposed rules to stop marketing products in schools that the government says are not good for you.
[Obama:] We will be eliminating advertisements for unhealthy food and beverages in our school.
[Johns:] Which could mean a change to the iconic soft drinks sponsored school sports score boards that pop up almost everywhere. Where full calorie drinks aren't allowed administration says they should not be advertised to kids at school either.
[Tom Vilsack, Agriculture Secretary:] If you can't sell it you really ought not to be able to market it.
[Johns:] Which only renews the complaints of nanny state politics critics who say government needs to back off when it comes to what we eat and drink.
[Darin Bakst, The Heritage Foundation:] I think it's just so much arrogance involved. It's no longer father knows best or mother knows best, it's what government knows best. And that's really the problem here.
[Johns:] In answer to the nanny state question the administration says it distinguishes between adults and children and that the Let's Move program defers to local controls of local officials but the government does have an obligation to try to ensure that the foods and drinks served in schools are healthy.
[Blitzer:] Healthy is important. All right, thanks very much, Joe, for that. Coming up the battle lines are drawn in Venezuela. It's a very dangerous conflict. We're going to take you right to the barricades. And a SITUATION ROOM special report as we begin to hear from the possible 2016 presidential contenders. I'll go one-on-one with Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida. That's coming up right at the top of the hour.

[Blitzer:] We're waiting for the first election night results. That's coming up. But let's talk about the stakes of what's going on today with Democratic Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida. She's the chair of the DNC, the Democratic National Committee. She's joining us right now from the headquarters of the candidate for Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe. She also, by the way, has a brand-new book that's out there. You see it right there. It's called "For the Next Generation: A Wake Up Call to Solving Our Nation's Problems." Congresswoman, thanks very much for coming in.
[Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz , Florida:] Thank you, Wolf. Great to be with you.
[Blitzer:] I know you and the Democrats have been working very hard for Terry McAuliffe in Virginia, where you are, but it looks like you just gave up in New Jersey, not much support for the Democratic candidate against Chris Christie. What happened? Why didn't the president at least go in there and campaign for the Democratic candidate?
[Wasserman Schultz:] Well, the DNC has actually been involved with Barbara Buono's campaign since the beginning of this year. We have had a staffer permanently permanently assigned to the Buono campaign. We have helped her with digital and phone banking. And I went in to campaign with her. We have we have actually provided her we sent some e-mail to help raise her money. And so we have been there for her pretty much every step of the way. But what we're focused on is, we have got races all over the country. Tonight, we expect that we will elect a Democratic mayor of New York City for the first time in almost 25 years. We're very excited about the opportunity here in Virginia. And, you know, Barbara Buono is an excellent candidate. We want people to get out and make sure that they vote for her. The polls are still open. And nothing is finished until the last voter casts their ballot.
[Blitzer:] But I was a little surprised. We didn't see the president, the vice president. I don't think the vice president was there. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, none of them really showed up in New Jersey to help the Democratic gubernatorial candidate. It looks as if you just gave up hope in New Jersey, which is a pretty Democratic state.
[Wasserman Schultz:] Well, I can tell you that we not only have we not given up hope. But the polls are still open. And we really encourage people to go out and vote for Barbara Buono. She's the best candidate. If you look at Chris Christie's track record, his track record certainly doesn't square up with New Jersey's values. And we're hopeful that, when the polls close tonight, that Barbara Buono will be successful.
[Blitzer:] But if he wins in a landslide tonight, and all the polls indicate that is certainly possible, that puts him on a clear path, potentially, to the Republican presidential nomination. Would you agree?
[Wasserman Schultz:] You know, Wolf, what I think the message after tonight will be is leading into the 2014 elections that the American people will elect Democratic mayors and Terry McAuliffe tonight as governor of Virginia because they reject the Tea Party extremism. There's been a civil war raging in the Republican Party. And the Tea Party has won. They shut the government down. They were willing to bring us to the brink of economic disaster. And we will win the majority of these races tonight because the American people just want us to work together and focus on creating jobs, getting the health care the Affordable Care Act implemented and making sure that we invest in education and in our future. What the Tea Party does has done is focused on a really extreme agenda that the American people voted rejected last year when they reelected President Obama, and that they will consistently reject tonight with the election results when they come in.
[Blitzer:] Should knowing what we know now and, obviously, all of us are a lot smarter with hindsight, but knowing what we know now, should they simply have delayed the rollout of the Obamacare Web site, since it's been so flawed from day one?
[Wasserman Schultz:] You know, the implementation of the Affordable Care Act is more than just a Web site. And, clearly, the Web site needs to be fixed. No one was more concerned about the problems with it than President Obama. But, keep in mind, when the Affordable Care Act was signed into law by the president in 2010, it kicked in a number of really important reforms, like that the young adults can stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26. Children with a preexisting condition can't be dropped or denied coverage. Seniors have their prescription drugs much more affordable now, and preventative care available to women and to seniors without a co-pay or a deductible, like mammograms and colonoscopies and wellness visits. So, the benefits that Americans are already feeling are the reason that the Affordable Care Act approval ratings have actually gone up, particularly since the Republicans were so insistent on shutting the government down in order to deny people access to quality, affordable health care.
[Blitzer:] All right. We will continue this conversation, Congresswoman. We will see what happens later tonight. Thanks very much for joining us.
[Wasserman Schultz:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] I will be here throughout the night with updates on all the elections.

[Costello:] So a rabbi, a sheikh and a Pope travel to the Holy Land and all hell breaks loose. OK so I'm exaggerating just a tad. Still there has been quite the backlash. Pope Francis will visit Jordan, Bethlehem and Jerusalem along with two old friends, a rabbi and a sheikh who leads Argentina's Muslim community. Some conservative Israelis are not exactly thrilled. They scrawled anti-Christian graffiti on Catholic buildings in Jerusalem. Take a look among the sentiments posted on the wall "Jesus is garbage." There are also calls for death to Arabs and Christians. People are also planning protests. CNN's Ivan Watson joins us from Jerusalem to tell us more about that part of the story. Good morning.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. I've spoken with a spokesperson for the Israeli police here in Jerusalem and he told me that basically the main threat political threat that the Israeli police are worried about during Pope Francis' upcoming visit is from ultraorthodox nationalist Jewish groups that have been carrying out what he describes as a campaign of quote, unquote "Price tag vandalism attacks", things like the graffiti that you've mentioned right there. Take a listen to what the spokesman of the Israeli police had to say. We were in the command and control room which has cameras more than 300 cameras stationed around the old city which will all be working during the Pope's visit. Take a listen.
[Micky Rosenfeld, Israeli Police Spokesman:] Our units are dealing with criminal incidents with nationalistic motives, price tags as they are known. The majority of incidents that have taken place over the last few weeks have been against Israeli Arabs. There have been one or two unfortunate incidents against churches.
[Watson:] And the thing is that the Roman Catholic Church here has expressed concern, Carol, about the quote "unrestrained acts of vandalism that are poisoning the atmosphere ahead of Pope Francis' trip." The remarkable thing is I met the Rabbi who is traveling with him. Rabbi Abraham Skorka and he said without question Pope Francis is a friend of the Jews Carol.
[Costello:] It will be a very interesting trip. And I want to talk more about it. Ivan Watson, thanks to you. Joining me now: Rabbi Yehuda Kurtzer, president of the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America and Imam Mohamed Magid president of Islamic Society of North America. Welcome to you both.
[Yehuda Kurtzer, President, Shalom Hartman Institute Of North America:] Thank you.
[Mohamed Magid President Of Islamic Society Of North America:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Thank you so much for being here. Dr. Kurtzer I want to start with you why is the Pope bringing guests? Why not go visit these places alone? Why is he stirring the pot, so to speak?
[Kurtzer:] I'm actually not sure that the Pope is stirring the pot as much as trying to avoid controversy. He's framed this trip primarily as a religious pilgrimage and I think he's trying to send a message by bringing colleagues on an interfaith mission that this is still a holy land. That it's primarily historically been a holy land and that the mission of his trip is not to create political problems but to model a type of interfaith discourse and model the possibility of Jews, Christians and Muslims praying together and being hopeful together.
[Costello:] And I hear I hear you Dr. Kurtzer but Imam Magid the Pope said the same thing. He said this holy land excursion is strictly religious. Earlier he had described it as a pilgrimage for prayer. But how can it not be political in this particular part of the world?
[Magid:] I would like to to take another understanding of this mission is to raise the profile of the interfaith work to have religious leaders around the world model this example, build an example after this model of the Pope taking an imam and a rabbi with him to the Holy Land. I do believe that the Christianity and Islam and Judaism share the same roots of Abrahamic faith. And the Holy Land having to have Christians and Muslim and Jews living there for a long time together, it's about time to get the leaders of those three major religions to think about peace, to pray together for peace.
[Costello:] That sounds so wonderful. But Dr. Kurtzer, I know that the Pope is going for religious reasons. But he's also expected to call for a Palestinian state which has long been a Vatican policy. And that will surely upset some Israelis, won't it?
[Kurtzer:] You know look, religion can't can't ever remain divorced from politics especially in the Middle East and I think part of the implicit message that the Pope is sending is that the negotiation process should take into account religious instabilities in a way that it hasn't in the past. It's often been portrayed as a secular national conflict and there are so many religious instabilities that there's a possibility of reconciliation through religion. No doubt that whatever the Pope says with respect to the Palestinians will anger some Israelis even though I think there's a wide consensus among Israelis among people worldwide about the inevitability of a Palestinian state and the need for a much a much better reconciliation. There is no questions there's going to be moments along this trip that are going to be so heavily interpreted of the choices that he makes, the places that he visits, how he portrays who the victims are in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians and the historical relationship between Jews and the church. So you're right. There will be political traps but I agree with the Imam that I think what he's trying to do is to model the way in which religion can be a source of resolution to this conflict and not an indicator of the conflict all together.
[Costello:] And Imam Magid, I want to I think the Pope is trying to demonstrate what the Dr. Kurtzer was describing. He's not going to travel in a protected vehicle, an armored vehicle down the streets of Jerusalem, let's say. He's going to try to be out amongst the people. And I'm sure that will kind of be concerning to security forces there. Do you think that's a good idea? What message does that send when the Pope does things like that?
[Magid:] I think the message he tried to send that we have to create an environment of tolerance and understanding for everyone. No one should fear any kind of backlash of practicing being open about the religion. This is the Holy Land. Everyone should be able to practice freely their faith and I do believe that the freedom of religion is one of the most important principles the Pope will like convey here that everyone should have no fear to be able to be who they are and practice their religion freely.
[Costello:] Thank you both for being with me today. I appreciate it. Imam Mohamed Magid and Dr. Rabbi Yehuda Kurtzer, Dr. Kurtzer. Thank you so much. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, outrage in Washington and beyond over the VA hospital scandal.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] We didn't just let them down. We let them die.
[Costello:] But as calls for Eric Shinseki to resign grow louder, is the real problem bigger than Shinseki? We'll talk about that next.

[Romans:] All right. Alex Rodriguez wants you to know he's sorry. The New York Yankees Star suspended for the 2014 season because of using performance-enhancing drugs, he's written a letter, a hand-written letter to his fans. Andy Scholes has more in this morning's "Bleacher Report". He's sorry.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Yes, he definitely is, Christine. You know, A-Rod never really admits he used performance-enhancing drugs while with Yankees in this handwritten letter, but he did apologize for pretty much everything else he did over the last two years. A-Rod in a letter says, "I take full responsibility for the mistakes that led to my suspension for the 2014 season. I regret that my actions made the situation worse than it needed to be. I accept the fact that many of you will not believe my apology or anything that I can say at this point. I understand why. And that's on me." A-Rod went on to say, "I'm ready to put this chapter behind me and play some ball." Now, A-Rod will have to face the media when the Yankees' position players report to Tampa for spring training next week. The man who allegedly supplied A-Rod with steroids, Tony Bosch, was sentenced yesterday to four years in federal prison. In October, Bosch pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute testosterone. The district judge says Bosch accepted thousands of dollars a month to provide steroid injections to players such as A-Rod. And the most troubling part of his biogenesis clinic was that Bosch also injected high school players in the Miami area with steroids. The Kentucky Wildcats looking to remain undefeated last night, taking on Tennessee. First half, Devin Booker fouled hard, and he goes flying right into a volunteers' cheerleader. That looked like it hurt. Booker who said he felt so bad about this in a tweet, he apologized, and the cheerleader tweeted right back saying she was, in fact, OK. Kentucky would go on to win this game, 66-48, to improve to a perfect 26-0 this season. Potentially more troubling reports surfacing rounding footballs and the New England Patriots. According to an ESPN "Outside the Lines" report, a locker room attendant for the Patriots tried to introduce an unapproved special teams football during the famous deflate-gate game. Now, in the report it says an alternate official became suspicious when a locker room attendant, 48-year-old Jim McNally, handed him a ball that had not been marked for the kicking game. The official also said he found it odd that the locker room attendant was on the field during the game. NFL special investigator Ted Wells has reportedly interviewed McNally. And, Christine, this is potentially very bad for the Patriots because you can't explain this one away with the weather, saying the weather caused him to try to introduce this football. I mean, this would be blatant cheating if this is, in fact, true. So, this is not looking good for the Patriots, the way this investigation is going now.
[Romans:] There is more to that story. We've got to scratch that surface to find out what's really going on. All right. Thanks so much, Andy Scholes. Back to our top story, ISIS repelled after launching fierce assaults near a major Iraqi city. Can the Kurdish forces keep ISIS at bay?

[Keilar:] As ISIS terrorists leave a trail of blood in Iraq, there are new concerns that they will team up with another deadly al Qaeda offshoot. CNN's Mohammed Jamjoom has the details on this. He is live from Beirut Mohammed.
[Mohammed Jamjoom, Cnn Correspondent:] Brianna, I've learned exclusive today from Yemeni officials just how fearful the Yemeni government is that an alliance is possibly being forged now between ISIS in Iraq and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen. The Yemeni officials I've spoken with say they are very worried about what that means not just for the region but how much of a threat that will pose to the U.S. and the rest of the world.
[Jamjoom:] Yemeni officials call it a nightmare scenario, the possibility that al Qaeda's most fearsome branch, Yemen's al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP, could join ISIS in Iraq. They point to this audio message, posted on YouTube earlier this week. In it, a man purported to Mahmoud Hafan, a top AQAP commander from Yemen, repeatedly congratulates ISIS and its leadership on its victories in Iraq. Yemeni government sources tell CNN that members of AQAP are fighting alongside ISIS in Iraq. A U.S. defense official says there is no indication that AQAP has joined with ISIS in Iraq, but the official did say that there are foreign fighters and Sunni militants who are with ISIS there. Hafan, who has more than 40,000 followers on Twitter, posts others' messages of support for ISIS, like this video from jihadists in Indonesia, singing the praises of ISIS. Analysts warn any alliance between the two groups could prove extremely dangerous.
[Jonah Blank, Rand Corporation:] Each group's weaknesses could be filled by the other group. Say one group is very good at bomb making and another group is very good at propaganda. If you put the right bomb in the right place for the right propaganda effect, that can be far more important than either of these things on their own.
[Jamjoom:] Yemen is currently on the frontline of a war on terror with al Qaeda. The U.S. embassy there has been shut down for almost two months. Despite a massive American-backed counterterror offensive that began in April, AQAP has proven resilient and resurgent. Since 2011, AQAP has even been able to take over areas of Yemen. ISIS is making similar gains in Iraq. And analysts say the more territory taken by ISIS and the more the group works with AQAP, the worse it will get.
[Blank:] If they carve out an area of safe haven and that's their intent, this could be a launching point for attacks on America, on the west, really attacks globally.
[Jamjoom:] Brianna, my sources in Yemen also telling me a small number of ISIS fighters have now made their way to Yemen where they are supporting AQAP in their fight there. And Brianna, also apologies for all noise. There's a street party just outside our bureau here in Beirut.
[Keilar:] All right. Thanks for explaining that, Mohammed Jamjoom. Stay with us, though. Joining us from Turkey is former U.S. ambassador to Iraq, James Jeffrey, who's now a fellow at the Washington Institute. And with me here in studio, Doug Ollivant is the of the New America Foundation. He's a retired Army officer. He served in Iraq. Also served on the National Security Council in both the Bush and the Obama administrations. He's also a managing partner with the Mantid International with Mantid International, I should say, which has clients in security aerospace and defense. Ambassador Jeffrey, to you first. We're talking about a group, ISIS here, that al Qaeda said was too extreme. How dangerous is this group? It sounds obviously like it's very dangerous and the idea that they could be teaming up should be extremely alarming. Ambassador Jeffrey, to you first. We're talking about a group ISIS here that al Qaeda said was too extreme. How dangerous is this group? It sounds obviously like it's very dangerous and the idea that they could be teaming up should be extremely alarming.
[James Jeffrey, Former U.s. Ambassador To Iraq:] Well, they are dangerous to us as the president said today because of the threat to the homeland. But they're more specifically dangerous to the region because they're purveying a form of Salafist-Sunni Islamic terrorism that's aimed at the Shia minority throughout the whole region. And their goal is to spark a total religious war between Sunnis and Shias throughout the region and that's really something worrisome.
[Keilar:] So it's not just Iraq we're talking about. We're talking about the entire region. Doug, you look you worked in both the Obama and the Bush administrations. The idea that will AQAP and ISIS could can be teaming up, what do you make of that? Or maybe they're not joined but we heard in the
[Lt. Col. Douglas Ollivant, U.s. Army:] Right. So a formal alliance probably not. But working loosely together, as he said exchanging techniques and tactics, having some advance trainers swap back and forth, all kinds of jihadist groups do this. And we shouldn't be surprised that these two franchises former franchise in one case, and AQAP, the most capable al Qaeda franchise, are talking to each other and helping each other out.
[Keilar:] And Mohammed, Yemen obviously very concerned about this. Is the concern there the regional the possibility for regional destabilization?
[Mohammed Jamjoom, Cnn International Correspondent:] Very much so. We've seen AQAP, which is arguably the most dangerous wing of the al Qaeda network be able launch attacks not just within Yemen but to be able to plot attacks against other targets in the region, many times over the course of the past several years. One of the targets they've consistently tried to attack has been Saudi Arabia. That's the largest oil producer. They share a border with Yemen. They tried AQAP to assassinate the interior minister in Saudi Arabia just a few years ago. They came very close to doing so. So if AQAP is now, as some Yemeni officials fear, possibly joining forces with ISIS, the fear is that much more of the region is going to be at stake and these two very strong groups will be able to plot a lot more attacks against targets here in the region and create a lot more regional instability at a time when sectarian divisions are as deep as they've ever been in this region Brianna.
[Keilar:] And, Ambassador, we're looking obviously at the acute problem of dealing with the violence in Iraq. But you there needs to be a political solution moving forward to having more inclusive country. And right now the U.S. isn't officially saying that Nouri al Maliki needs to go. You've met with him. It sounds like U.S. officials at this point are very dissatisfied with him. Do you think that he might kind of take that hint and step aside?
[Jeffrey:] Well, he has dictatorial instincts but in addition he's a terrible commander-in-chief as we saw in Mosul. I don't think he's going to take the hint and step aside. The question is, if his support is in the Shia religious community, in the Shia population generally, and to some degree even in Iran are willing to go for a unified Iraq. There can be no unified Iraq with the sort of policies that he has followed for the last several years. And everybody wants a unified Iraq. So I think that there's got to be a change of one or another sort, either in him or in the government.
[Keilar:] Douglas, talk about some of the semantics here. We heard President Obama today. He said the U.S. will be deploying 300 advisers.
[Ollivant:] Right.
[Keilar:] That's something when he's talking about advisors that are prepared to take targeted action, but they're not in combat. It sort of begs the question of how would they not be in combat if they're taking targeted action.
[Ollivant:] Well, they made it clear that these advisors will only be at brigade level and higher. So they'll be sitting in offices not unlike where you and I are, not out on the frontlines, and they'll be looking at the maps in these headquarters and using that to push data back to U.S. missiles or aircraft if the time comes when the president decides we have to do that.
[Keilar:] So they're sort of holed up, giving advice. Why is it so necessary to be right there on ground?
[Ollivant:] Well, it's the closer you can get the better. And I think the president has made the right decision here. This strikes me as the right balance between getting people out there so they're able to see and taking too much risk. We don't want them really out on the frontlines where there's a risk of someone actually being captured by
[Isis. Keilar:] So Americans shouldn't be, Ambassador, do you think should they be concerned about the possibility of mission creep?
[Jeffrey:] Absolutely not. Not with this president and almost never in the last 70 years have we seen mission creep once in Vietnam. And we're not going to make that mistake again. The president is pursuing a prudent strategy, as Mr. Ollivant mentioned. And he is ready to act if these ISIS people push forward, thus on an emergency basis, but he's not going to become Maliki's air force until he sees a more inclusive political as well as military solution to taking back these areas that ISIS controlled in the Sunni Arab region. And that's a wise way to go forward.
[Keilar:] All right. Ambassador Jeffrey, thank you so much. Mohammed Jamjoom in Beirut, thank to you, as well. And Doug Ollivant, thank you so much for being here in THE SITUATION ROOM. Now still ahead, caught on tape again. Donald Sterling allegedly intimidating witnesses. We have the obscenity laced recordings.
[Donald Sterling, L.a. Dodgers Team Owner:] I'm not incompetent. You're

[Unidentified Male:] Jodi Arias, she`s back.
[Arias:] You`re bad. You make me feel so dirty. [on camera]: "I love Travis Victor Alexander so completely that I don`t know any other way to be."
[Unidentified Male:] Convicted murderer Jodi Arias, returned to court today for a key hearing.
[Arias:] I might change my memory.
[Velez-mitchell:] Oh, lord. She`s back. The news we`ve all been waiting for, it is now official. Jodi Arias will be retried to decide if she lives or is executed. So mark your calendars, because March 17, a brand-new jury will be chosen to decide Jodi`s fate. This jury will decide if she should get life in prison or the death penalty for stabbing her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander, 29 times, slitting his throat ear to ear, six inches across, and shooting him in the face for good measure. Here`s my rant. A special message to the judge. Do not let Jodi hijack the retrial. Do not let Jodi put the victim, Travis Alexander, on trial again. Don`t let Jodi take the stand for 18 days and accuse him of being a pedophile or a sexual pervert with no proof. OK? Travis Alexander is the victim here. Jodi`s testimony needs to be limited and not include any of these ridiculous, absurd accusations from the first go-around. We all remember those.
[Arias:] I sounds like what?
[Travis Alexander, Murder Victim:] A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm.
[Arias:] I walked in, and Travis was on the bed
[Velez-mitchell:] What is this new trial going to look like? Is Jodi going to be able to get back on the stand and spew 18 days` worth of lies again? Our fantastic Lion`s Den debate panel has new inside information. We begin with KTHO reporter Jose Miguel live in Phoenix, site of the retrial. Miguel, you`ve got your finger on the pulse of the jury pool. What are you learning and hearing tonight?
[Jose Miguel, Ktho Reporter:] Well, Jane, people are telling me that they are so angry at this situation. They are tired as taxpayers to support this woman, to keep paying more and more money towards this trial. They`re looking for a resolution. They want a resolution, not only in this case, but they want it for this family. They`re tired of the Alexander family being dragged through the dirt, if you will, because of this case. And I actually tweeted and sent some messages out to my Facebook people, and almost 90 percent, I would say, all said they would like to see Jodi Arias put to death. And even though they know that she could still get an appeal process going if she`s put on death row, they want her to receive the ultimate punishment. They saw this as something that was premeditated, totally planned out. And they feel like Jodi`s been manipulating people too long. I say, doing the same thing over and over again is insanity. What are we going to do different this time around? Obviously there could be a repeat of the fierce confrontations the first trial brought. Prosecutor Juan Martinez, feisty Juan, of course, we don`t know, hammered Jodi about her memory, quote unquote, of Travis` brutal death.
[Juan Martinez, Prosecutor:] Were you crying when you were shooting him?
[Arias:] I don`t remember.
[Martinez:] Were you crying when you were stabbing him?
[Arias:] I don`t remember.
[Martinez:] How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?
[Arias:] I don`t know.
[Martinez:] So take a look then. You`re the one that did this, right?
[Arias:] Yes.
[Martinez:] And you`re the same individual that lied about all this, right?
[Arias:] Yes. The jury heard in excruciating detail about Travis` gruesome murder. If the jury didn`t give her the death penalty then after seeing those gruesome crime scene photos over and over and hearing about her slitting his throat, what the heck does the prosecution have to do differently to get the death penalty now? Jordan Rose, you`re an attorney in Phoenix. You`re very close to all the principals involved. They`ve got to do something different, because prosecutor Martinez gave it his all and did not get the death penalty the first time around.
[Jordan Rose, Attorney:] I think you`re right, Jane. They obviously need to do something different. And I think the focus will be much clearer and crisper, because it will be a shorter deliberation. And the focus will be on the heinous nature of the crime and the fact that it was entirely pre-planned. In addition to that, Jodi will not be on the stand for 18 straight days establishing a love affair with this jury. And I don`t mean that they all fell in absolute love with Jodi, but certainly, it has got to be more difficult to vote to put someone to death who you have sat within feet of for 18 days, learning intimate details of her life. As you said, this judge was not going to allow this jury to be hijacked again by Jodi Arias. And that is going to be the difference.
[Arias:] But how do you stop it?
[Velez-mitchell:] Anahita.
[Sedaghatfar:] Right. I totally disagree with that, Jane.
[Velez-mitchell:] How do you stop it?
[Sedaghatfar:] Jane, I totally disagree with that. Because on the one hand, I understand why the prosecution didn`t want to offer her some plea deal. They wanted to move forward with the death penalty. That`s what the Alexander family wanted. But this trial is going to be longer than the previous trial, because they`re going to have to impanel a whole new jury. They`re going to have to present all of this evidence all over again. And you can bet Jodi Arias is going to take the stand, and she`s going to talk and talk and talk for as long as she wants, because her life is on the line. And the judge is going to give her that leeway. And it`s not, Jane, just because she`s a narcissist or she wants to hear herself speak...
[Velez-mitchell:] No, she`s also a liar. She`s a liar.
[Sedaghatfar:] She wants to talk about the fact that she was abused.
[Velez-mitchell:] She wasn`t abused. She was not abused.
[Sedaghatfar:] ... that decision but she`s the jurors will make that determination.
[Velez-mitchell:] On the other side, someone who has intimate knowledge of this case, knows it backward and forward like no one else, and she`s going to talk about the strategy of one, next.
[Arias:] I love it when you grab my butt. That was nice. But you only do it, like, when you`re trying to prove a point to somebody else.
[Alexander:] That`s not true. You cannot say that I don`t work that booty.
[Arias:] Never mind. You do know how to work the booty.

[Costello:] A North Korean man executed for treason or was he? Dennis Rodman now says Kim Jong-Un did not have his uncle killed. And that's not the only shocking statement Rodman is making in a new interview; Brian Todd is in Washington to tell us more. Good morning.
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondnet:] Good morning, Carol. You know when talking about Kim Jong-Un, Dennis Rodman said quote, "That little kid is changing North Korea for the better." In his interview with Du Jour Magazine, Rodman spoke of his personal fondness for the man who executed his own uncle and who's again threatening to destabilize an entire region.
[Todd:] Far from being contrite, Dennis Rodman still glowing about the trip he made to North Korea in January. And the basketball exhibition he staged for Kim Jong-Un's birthday. In an interview with Du Jour magazine, Rodman said he is still impressed with the show of worship Kim got when he entered the arena that night.
[Dennis Rodman, Former Nba Player:] I was just so amazed to see the people crying. I mean literally crying.
[Todd:] Some of the interview was videotaped but in the more substantive portion, Rodman wanted just the audio recorded. He told Du Jour Kim Jong-Un's uncle, Jang Sung-taek was still alive when he was there.
[Rodman:] That's his girlfriend, that's his uncle, that's his sister, that's his sister they're standing right behind me.
[Unidentified Female:] The uncle is alive?
[Rodman:] They're all right there, sitting right behind me.
[Todd:] The interviewers were skeptical asking again if the uncle was alive.
[Rodman:] He was standing right there.
[Todd:] This despite reports from North Korea's own government news agency the previous month that Kim had had his uncle executed for treason. Other Rodman revelations, he said he paid the other former NBA stars that accompanied him to North Korea $30,000 to $35,000 each out of his own pocket. He said he held Kim's baby and portrayed the uneven, volatile young dictator as something like a cruise director.
[Rodman:] He laughs, jokes and do all kind of
[Unidentified Female:] Did you ever sing?
[Rodman:] Did I sing? They played "Rocky" and "Dallas".
[Todd:] Rodman has admitted that he was drunk for part of the time and said he went to rehab after returning from North Korea but he remains the only American ever to have personal meetings with Kim Jong-Un. Rodman says Kim wants to change that.
[Rodman:] He really, really wants to talk to Obama. He says it I mean he can't stand it enough. These days you don't want to bother nobody. He don't want to kill Americans.
[Todd:] U.S. Officials are now concerned that Kim's regime is preparing to stage another underground nuclear test but Rodman told "Du Jour" Un only wants nuclear weapons to defend his country. Rodman was not only apologetic for the regime but in denial over North Korea's human rights record. When asked about the hundreds of thousands of people suffering in labor camps there, his response quote, "Which country does not have that?" Carol?
[Costello:] What? OK. We'll ignore that for a moment. He also slammed the U.S. Government. Why?
[Todd:] He had much kinder words for North Korea's government than he did for America's government. He says he asked the U.S. Government about six months ago for help in setting up his trip to Pyongyang. He says the government ignored him. We asked the State Department about that. A spokeswoman there Marie Harp said that to her knowledge, they had no contact with Dennis Rodman so. As far as they're concerned, he never reached out to them.
[Costello:] Interesting. Brian Todd, thanks for entertaining us this morning. We appreciate it. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, be careful what you write. A senate candidate is outraged when he catches a reporter scribbling blah, blah, blah during the Q&A; session. And the situation only escalated from here. How the Eastern Bunny got thrown in the mix when we come back.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] On the line. A huge day in politics. Key primaries across the U.S., control of the Senate up for grabs. Will establishment candidates survive or will the Tea Party surge again?
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Near collision. A very close call at one of the nation's major airports. A landing passenger plane comes within just 50 yards of another plane taking off. So, what went wrong?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Soaring with the skyscrapers. Look at this amazing video. You have to see it. Wing suit jumpers flying over New York City. Those daredevils join us live.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY continues right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY, with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Bolduan:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. It is Tuesday, May 20th, 8:00 in the East. Will voters continue to rally around the Tea Party? We will be finding out. We could find out today as blockbuster primaries play out. We are watching contests in six states where key players in six states could find themselves lame ducks by the end of the day.
[Cuomo:] Four of the primaries feature a Tea Party challenger taking on an establishment Republican, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in Kentucky. So, CNN now puts more than a dozen Senate seats up for grabs in November's midterms meaning today's results could have a big impact on the balance in power in Washington.
[Bolduan:] Let's bring in Van Jones and Ana Navarro Van, host of CNN's "CROSSFIRE" and Ana Navarro, CNN political commentator and Republican strategist to have a conversation about this. Good morning to both of you. So, as we're talking about this, guys, I want to get your take. First off, Ana, the big question a lot of people have, are Republicans going to be able to retake the Senate, as things stand today? What do you think the chances are, Ana?
[Ana Navarro, Cnn Political Commentator:] As things stand today, it looks pretty good. The generic ballots look pretty good. But you don't vote on generic candidates. You vote on local candidates, local politics matters. Races are about the local politics. And I think we're going to have to see how it develops. Certainly, it looks within reach and it looks like a fairly good shot right now.
[Bolduan:] Let's Van, I want to bring you in. Let's take a look at two recent NBCMarist polls and talk about specifically Kentucky, where a lot of people are watching what's going to happen with Mitch McConnell? If you look at the first poll, him against his primary challenger, it appears he is going to make it throughMarist, but then look at his general election challenger, McConnell, 46, Alison Lundergan Grimes at 45. I mean, they are neck and neck at this moment, Van. McConnell thinks, though, that he has a winning strategy, because he's running against Obama and Obamacare. That is a message that goes far beyond just Kentucky. What are you going to do to combat that?
[Van Jones, Host, Cnn's "crossfire":] Well, first of all, the health care law is actually doing very well in that state. So here's the reality, even if under any circumstances you say, Obama, wildly popular, Obamacare wildly popular everywhere. Democrats are still going to have a tough call this fall for these reasons. Demography they kind of people who vote in the midterms tend to be a little older, a little bit whiter. Geography, a lot of these states of red states we're talking about. And then history usually the second term of a president, you get to the mid-term elections, you tend have to problems. So, you've got three strikes going against the Democrats, and yet, the Democrats are still competitive. Why? Because you have this problem you look at 1998. When the opposition party gets too extreme, sometimes there's a backlash. I think right now, the Republicans are in danger of overshooting the runway here, talking about Benghazi, all this other sort of stuff, thinking Obamacare is less popular and that it is, and Democrats still have a shot to get through and Kentucky is the best case to look at. In Kentucky right now, you've got Grimes coming on strong. I think McConnell is in deep trouble and Republicans may actually shoot themselves in the foot today by not making the right folks.
[Bolduan:] Now, Ana, I want you to respond to Van. He listed reasons Democrats are in a bad position, or have, maybe, a tougher uphill battle. Why, then? What does it say about the state of affairs in the state of that race specifically that in this election cycle, the top Republican in the Senate is facing such a problem?
[Navarro:] First of all, I'm not sure he's facing such a problem. Listen, reports of his political death have been greatly exaggerated. We were reading about how tough his primary was going to be just a few months ago. Everybody has forgotten that.
[Jones:] That's true.
[Navarro:] This was supposed to be a very competitive primary. There's been over $4 million spent, which in Kentucky market is a significant number, against him and he's going to do very well today. I expect him to win by double digits in what was billed to be the death of, you know, Mitch McConnell, where he was going to come out of this. If he came out of it, come out bloodied and bruised and instead he's going to be buoyed by a very strong victory, in likelihood. So I would tell you, do not underestimate Mitch McConnell. He is savvy, he is wily. He's a season the veteran and I think he's got his mojo back. With the Tea Party victories two years did was get the candidates, the mainstream candidates, ready for fights. I think two years ago, they were caught by surprise. They were and two years later, they've all decided we're not going to get Richard Lugar again. This is not going to happen. We're going to fight. We're going to raise the money. We're going to do the outreach. We're going to be in our state. We're going to campaign hard. There's only one way to run. You can only run hard and I think that's what you're going to see Mitch McConnell doing in the fall.
[Jones:] But at what cost? I would say, Ana, I'm curious, from our point of view of Democrats looking at this thing, it looks like the Tea Party might lose some of these battles, but they've already won the war. So many of these so-called establishment Republicans now have been pulled so far to the right. You have establishment Republicans now saying that they are against the minimum wage. Not against raising it, against having it. And you don't hear establishment Republicans pushes back on this line. In fact, establishment Republicans are now coming up. Now, listen, abolishing the minimum wage is about 3 percent popular anywhere except for a Tea Party rally. So, you could have a situation where the Tea Party candidates loses but the Tea Party agenda has already taken over the Republican Party sets us up great as Democrats in November. What do you think about that?
[Navarro:] Van, the minimum wage issue is not a Tea Party agenda. It's about a small party and a lot think of Republicans think that the minimum should be decided by states, not the federal government, but
[Jones:] Poll that one.
[Navarro:] I also think politics is about politics is a pendulum and sometimes it goes to one side, it goes to the other and slowly comes back to the center. I could tell you the same thing about Democrats. Listen, I'm old enough to remember blue dog Democrats. I was friends with a few of them. They are an endangered species in Congress today, because moderate Democrats have also disappeared from the map.
[Bolduan:] Seems what well, there you go, van. There you go. I'm going to real quick, a take if you can sum it up quickly, Ana and Van, what is the race you're watching that has the biggest implications because you don't think Kentucky is as close as many people think, Ana?
[Navarro:] I'll tell you the race I'm watching is Heat versus Indiana.
[Bolduan:] I like that. Watching the Pacers as well.
[Navarro:] That's the one I was focused on.
[Bolduan:] There you go. Good job on this primary day. Van, what about you?
[Jones:] Kentucky. To me, it's all about Kentucky. I think Alison Grimes is going to give McConnell a real fit. I think that the Republicans are overshooting the runway on their rhetoric on Benghazi and Obamacare. You had a John McCain pollster come out and saying, the rhetoric saying that you're going to abolish Obamacare is dead in the water. I think Republicans may once again hand the Senate to Democrats by being too extreme.
[Bolduan:] What is he message that resonates with voters
[Navarro:] That, my friend, is called wishful thinking, but you're entitled to it.
[Bolduan:] Ana Navarro with her Miami Heat pin on today, I see it on your jacket. Great to see you both, Van and Ana. And be sure to watch Van Moore tonight on "
[Crossfire", 6:] 30 p.m. Eastern, right here on CNN, of course. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right. The term near-miss really isn't good enough for this story out of Newark. Federal investigators say two planes came literally within yards of each other, one was attempting to land, the other attempting to take off. This may be the closest call yet. CNN's Rene Marsh is following the story from Washington. Who screwed up?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] That is the big question, and we just don't know at this point. But we can tell you at the closest point these two passenger planes were half a football field apart. Now, the NTSB and FAA are investigating who is to blame for this close collision? Close calls like this usually come down to either pilot or controller error.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, he was real close, sir.
[Marsh:] Audio revealing tense moments between the pilot and air traffic controllers when two commercial airliners nearly collide mid-air over Newark Airport last month.
[Unidentified Controller:] Acey 4100. Traffic off your right, you have him in sight? Maintain visual.
[Marsh:] The controllers directing a United Airlines Boeing 737 to land just seconds before a smaller Express Jet was cleared for takeoff on an intersecting runway. The larger jet nearly on top of the plane when controllers tell it to circle the airport.
[Unidentified Pilot:] Yes, we were putting the nose down and yes, he was real close.
[Marsh:] At its closest point, the aircraft going 50 yards away from each other. Only about half a football field.
[Arthur Rosenberg, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] That Express Jet should have been held in essentially the ready to go position until the 737 had cleared that cross runway and made a safe landing and then taken off. The clearance for the Express Jet to take off never should have been given.
[Marsh:] This is the second time in recent weeks United Airlines has been involved in a nearly catastrophic collision. In April, a Boeing 757 flying over the Pacific nearly collided with another aircraft after climbing to the altitude controllers assigned them. The aircraft forced to plunge 600 feet in seconds.
[Kevin Townsend, Passenger:] I'm looking down the aisle, and there's, you know, hundreds of people in front of me, people start screaming. There's noises of things that weren't secured falling around.
[Marsh:] Where the error lies in these most recent near disasters still under investigation. So, at the end of this all, no damage reported to either aircraft, and as far as injuries go, there were none. Back to you, Chris.
[Bolduan:] I got it, Rene. Thank you very much. This morning, a key clue in the search for Flight 370. Now, Inmarsat and Malaysian officials say they will release the raw satellite data used to track the flight's path into the Indian Ocean. Families of missing passengers have been demanding that the information be released for months. Saima Mohsin is live in Kuala Lumpur with the very latest. What are you hearing, Saima?
[Saima Mohsin, Cnn Correspondent:] You know, Kate, this has been top priority on the families of those onboard MH370 for weeks now. That's exactly why we came down here, to really push the government for answers. Both my producer and I on the phone constantly to them, asking them where exactly this data is, because there was confusion about that, and when they're prepared to release it. Now, late last night, Kuala Lumpur time, we finally got an answer.
[Mohsin:] Overnight, Malaysian officials and the British satellite company that detected Flight 370's final pings vowed transparency. In a joint statement, Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation and Inmarsat say all parties are working for the release of the data communication logs and the technical description of the analysis for public consumption. While there's no set date for when this raw satellite data will be released, this marks the first attempt to make the information publicly available. But some loved ones say, it's not enough.
[Sarah Bajc, Partner Of Philip Wood:] If the Malaysian government truly has nothing to hide, I believe they should completely open their books, everything, not just the pieces they allowed us to hear.
[Mohsin:] But Malaysia's former prime minister now pointing the blame at Boeing. In his blog, Dr. Mahathir Mohamad writes, "Someone is hiding something", saying Boeing should know something, since MH370 was built by that airline company, and a relative of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah is breaking his silence. Captain Shah's brother-in-law tells Australian broadcasting companying Four Corners that Shah was not suicidal and did not have life insurance. Khan also dismissed the controversy surrounding the brother's flight simulator, saying it broke in 2013.
[Unidentified Female:] He did not practice extreme landings and takeoffs.
[Khan:] This year? I don't think so, because the simulator is not working.
[Mohsin:] And, you know, all there are a lot of theories and a lot of suspicions surrounding Flight MH370, of course, and all of these delays and this confusion doesn't help, but when and if we finally get this data released as has been promised to CNN and the families of those onboard MH370, they plan to take it to an independent body far away from Malaysian government officials and the current investigations here because they want to independently verify that the serve really is going on in the right place Michaela.
[Pereira:] Saima Mohsin, yes, that's such an important point for the families. We appreciate that. Thank you so much. Take a look more of your headlines. CNN has learned that U.S. military is making contingency plans if it needs to evacuate hundreds of Americans from Libya. Officials say an evacuation order could come at any time. So, the U.S. doubled the number of aircraft standing by in Italy, hundreds of marines are ready to help with any quick exit from Tripoli. A new strain on U.S.China relations. China firing back saying the U.S. charged five military officers with cyber spying. Beijing says it wants the charges withdrawn and even summoned the U.S. ambassador to file a formal complaint. The U.S. says the officers hacked into the computer systems in the country, stealing trade secrets. This is going to be quite controversy. Did Led Zeppelin rip off one of its biggest hits? Being sued by the trust for Randy California, the one-time leader for the band Spirit. We've heard of them. They're accusing Led Zeppelin of copying the chords of "Stairway to Heaven" from Spirit called "Taurus", saying the similarities are fairly blatant and note for note. The band did tour together back in the '60s. Now, we want you to be the judge. We're going to play both songs for you at home. I want you at home and in the studio to listen. Start with "Spirit." There's the chords. Right now, listen to "Stairway to Heaven."
[Cuomo:] Then it gets different.
[Pereira:] Well, yes, it does.
[Bolduan:] Kind of the same is that the same, though?
[Pereira:] The chord progression. Now, here's the idea. They toured together in the '60s, two years the later
[Bolduan:] Right.
[Pereira:] they came out with "Stairway to Heaven."
[Bolduan:] The '60s. Why are re hearing about this now?
[Pereira:] Well, apparently, they didn't have the money to sort of take legal process, et cetera and make all that happen. Now the state is trying to settle, they want credit where it's due. It's not lost on me "Businessweek" puts estimates, that "Stairway" has earned at least $562 million. That's not lost on me either.
[Cuomo:] When you credit
[Pereira:] Yes, that's one. What do you think guys? We've got a bunch of musicians in our crew. Yes? No?
[Bolduan:] Split decision.
[Cuomo:] Gary says no?
[Bolduan:] Split decision.
[Pereira:] Audio guy says, yes. James says, yes.
[Bolduan:] Well, most importantly, what do you think? Tweet us, #NewDay. Coming up on NEW DAY, give you a chance to think about it, consider, we're going to return to Moore, Oklahoma, very important. You remember a year ago, the city was leveled by a tornado. Today, we're going to go back. The place is still rebuilding, still hurting. I'm going to tell you how you can help.

[Malveaux:] The Obamas are saying aloha to Washington and aloha to Hawaii, because we know aloha can mean "hello" and "goodbye." The first family taking their annual Hawaiian vacation, soaking up some of that sun on the beachfront home in Honolulu. They're going to be there for about two weeks or so.
[Blackwell:] Now, before the president headed out for a break there was some business to take care of in Washington that included how to respond to the cyber-attacks on Sony by North Korea and defending his new policy on Cuba. Erin McPike has more.
[Obama:] We take them with the utmost seriousness.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Condemning what he called a cyber- assault from North Korea, in his year end press conference, President Obama called out Sony pictures for pulling the movie "The Interview," following threats to theaters.
[Obama:] Sony is a corporation. It suffered significant damage. There were threats against its employees. I am sympathetic to the concerns they faced. Having said all that, yes, I think they made a mistake.
[Mcpike:] He insisted Americans citizens and businesses cannot be bullied into the censorship and promised retaliation against North Korea.
[Obama:] They caused a lot of damage. And we will respond. We will respond proportionally and will respond in a place and time and manner that we choose.
[Mcpike:] He also defended his most recent sweeping initiative, this week's surprise move to normalize relations with Cuba.
[Obama:] What I know deep in my bones is that if you have done the same thing for 50 years and nothing's changed, you should try something different if you want a different outcome.
[Mcpike:] The administration hopes its actions, by helping to bring more western business to the communist nation, will open it up.
[Obama:] It offers the prospect of telecommunications and the Internet being more widely available in Cuba in ways that it hasn't been before. And over time that chips away at this hermetically sealed society.
[Mcpike:] And after a frenzied year's end, he's got his game face on for the last two years to come.
[Obama:] My presidency is entering the fourth quarter. Interesting stuff happens in the fourth quarter, and I'm looking forward to it. But going into the fourth quarter you usually get a time out. I'm now looking forward to a quiet timeout, Christmas with my family.
[Mcpike:] And North Korea is now saying that it was framed and wants to work with the U.S. to get to the bottom of it. I have reached out to the White House this morning and they are saying they don't have a response just yet. But we do know that there are U.S. agencies trying to come up with some options to give to the White House on how to respond to North Korea. Those look to be in the form of economic sanctions and banking sanctions but not naming North Korea as the sponsor of terrorism, Victor and Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] Erin, thank you so much. We want you to stick around, but we also want to show our audience live pictures out of Havana, Cuba. Right now the president Raul Castro addressing the Cuban national assembly. This is at the annual meeting that they have. Of course we're going to be listening in and monitoring some of the things that he has to say. If he makes any news of course we're going to bring that to you coming out of his speech. I want to also bring in John Avlon, the editor in chief of "The Daily Beast" and CNN political analyst. John great to see you this morning. You know, the yearend presser, it was really remarkable, having seen him. It seems as if he's really changing, the tone, the style. I remember 2007, 2008 covering him when he had all these promises and he acknowledged he was going to disappoint because he wasn't going to be able to deliver everything. Now he's dusted it off and seems to be going line by line, issue by issue, taking on the last two years.
[John Avlon, Editor In Chief, "the Daily Beast":] Absolutely. This is one liberated lame duck we're look at.
[Avlon:] And I think the prospect of entering the fourth quarter, as he referred to it, of his presidency is focusing his mind and is in fact energizing him. The typical way we deal with lame ducks, i.e. the last two years of the presidency, is to consider the person diminished in importance. We focus our attention on the oncoming presidential campaign. But presidents have the prerogative of changing history according to their actions, and this is clearly president who wants to play offense politically and have opponents respond to him and in some ways help shape and frame the debate for 2016. So I think this is going to be a very different script and it's going to be really interesting to watch such an energized, I think optimistic president going forward.
[Malveaux:] Sure, and his legacy as well. Erin, the president says the U.S. is going to respond to North Korea. It's also involved with ISIS in Iraq. And you have the Taliban in Pakistan, the Assad regime in Syria. Is the president at risk here of taking on too much, trying to do too much in the last two years and maybe just not being able to do anything all that well?
[Mcpike:] Suzanne, I don't think so at all. And this year has been fascinating for all of the national security issues that he's been involved in. I also want to point out, of course you covered President Obama here during his first term, and I look forward to this news conference every single year because it is so very newsy. You may remember back in 2010 is that when he said that his views on gay marriage were evolving. There is always big news that comes out of this. This particular year he was very reflective and also looking forward to the next year, but it was newsy just for that style and the tone and what he hopes to be doing in the next two years.
[Malveaux:] And John, it was newsy, as Erin said. You are dealing with so many things here that are changing Cuba's policy, easing travel restrictions, opening the door to diplomatic relations, that was a huge move. And he's also using the executive orders to get things done on immigration reform, climate change. Do you think that he's abandoned in some way the effort or the optimism of working with a Congress that is going to be dominated of course by Republicans?
[Avlon:] I think he's made a decision based on the past six years that for all the rhetoric of wanting to end gridlock that he's not going to get put in a position where he's hoping Republicans will work with him but he is instead going to try to set the agenda. And the way he's acted since that shellacking in the midterms, he's gotten off the mat and he's played offense and put forward policy proactively, executive orders on immigration, as you said, climate change deal with China, and this historic reversal of policy with regard to Cuba. These are all things that are within the president's prerogative the effectively put his political opponents on defense. Is there a cost? Absolutely. Any olive branch that the Republicans were opening, now that is a very difficult negotiation he's going to have to do. But I think part of the calculation is that Republicans are still going to have to deal with him on issues of the self-interest where there may be overlap. He mentioned something yesterday, tax reform, corporate tax reform, trade deals and possible infrastructure. And so as a result even if he alienates a lot of Republicans with these actions, they will still have to deal with the White House to get anything done on their watch over the next two years.
[Malveaux:] And Erin, I want to bring this up because you were there covering the White House now, and we saw for the first time, it was unprecedented, historic that the president addressed all female reports for his press conference. That has never happened having covered the White House for ten years. And there were so few women. We used to actually, literally, Ann Compton, Andrea Mitchell, Helen Thomas, all of us, how many women get questions on these occasions, it might be one, maybe two, but not everybody. The White House says it was also trying to make a point here, and you get to benefit from that, yes?
[Mcpike:] Suzanne, of course. And we were noticing that throughout this press conference, you may have seen on social media, you tweeted about it, and so many reporters were noticing, six, seven, eight, it was over. And then after the fact, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest actually put out a statement in response to some of the questions that he was getting about it that they did do it on purpose to make this point. And Wolf Blitzer likes to say that we all have a front seat to history, and we did. And that's another reason why this press conference was so fascinating to cover yesterday, again, because it's newsy, and they made it newsy by doing just that.
[Malveaux:] Yes, highlighting the hardworking women who cover the president, Erin being one of them. Thank you, Erin, John, appreciate it. Good to see you guys. Olympic gold medalist Michael Phelps admits he made a bad mistake and now he's owning up to what he is saying about his DUI and how he avoided jail time up next.
[Blackwell:] And for the first time we're seeing what happened after that infamous elevator attack between Ray Rice and his then fiance Janay Palmer. What surveillance video shows them doing just moments after police arrived.

[Tapper:] We have some breaking news in our World Lead today, reports that the head of al Qaeda in Yemen, long considered one of the biggest threats to the U.S. national security, has been killed. Let's get right to CNN's Barbara Starr live at the Pentagon. Barbara, what exactly do we know about this man, Nasir Al-Wuhayshi's reported death?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, Jake, right now, the U.S. is not confirming anything, but Yemeni officials, and a number of social media sites that are usually very reliable about al Qaeda information are saying that Nasir al-Wuhayshi, the head of al Qaeda in Yemen has been killed in a suspected drone strike. To be clear, the U.S. is not confirming that, but if Wuhayshi is dead, this is a significant blow to what the U.S. has long considered the most violent threatening element of al Qaeda in Yemen. They have vowed to attack the United States. Their master bombmaker, a man named Al-Asiri, not being caught, still alive by all accounts. If Wuhayshi is dead, what about him? Will he try again to reach out? They are said to be responsible for the Christmas day bombing attempt on a U.S. airliner in 2009. Said to be response for the bombs that are set to look like printer cartridges on board airliners. They have a very long record of being able and trying to reach out and attack the United States. So if Wuhayshi is dead, a significant blow to the organization, he's responsible for targeting and financing, but the question right now is what about their bomb maker Jake.
[Tapper:] All right, Barbara Starr, as you point out, a lot of talk about ISIS, but a lot of national security officials in the United States still think AQAP in Yemen the bigger threat to the homeland right now. Barbara Starr at the Pentagon, thank you so much. Coming up, two teenagers attacked by sharks just minutes apart on the same stretch of a beach in North Carolina, one expert telling it's very likely the same shark went after both teens. So why have the officials not closed that beach? We will go to that beach live, next.

[Marquez:] It was the bite, heard, seen, oogled around the world. Uruguay star player Luis Suarez allegedly biting an opponent during yesterday's win over Italy.
[Romans:] Andy Scholes has more on this in morning's "Bleacher Report". Hey, Andy.
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] Arrh! Good morning, guys. This is some crazy stuff. Shockingly, this is the third time Suarez is accused of biting an opponent, really. The latest shock came in the 79th minute against Italy yesterday. The game was tied at zero, when Suarez who is rightfully nicknamed "The Cannibal", he just leaned in and bit the Italian defender. Now, the game was in the afternoon, so we can confirm that Suarez is not a vampire. FIFA is investigating the bite. If found guilty, Suarez could be banned for a maximum of two years. Uruguay won the match, eliminated Italy. They're going to play Colombia on Saturday. Greece punched their ticket to the knockout stage by shocking the Ivory Coast in stoppage time. A late penalty in the box gave Greece the penalty kick. Giorgio Summeret made the most of it. Greece advances to the round of 16, no small feat especially considering Greece hadn't scored a goal in their first two matches. Now, we're just a day away from Team USA's pivotal match against Germany. The team will once again be without Jozy Altidore for the game, he's still recovering from a strained hamstring. We need to beat or tie Germany to guarantee a spot in the round of 16. A loss or moving on will depend on the outcome between Ghana and Portugal. The odds of beating Germany they aren't good. Even worse, considering no team has been able to win against the team following the one they played in the Amazon rainforest. All right. Turning on bleacherreport.com this morning: LeBron James had opted out, making him a free agent come July 1st. Over the next week, teams around the NBA will be making some moves, getting in position to make their pitch to LeBron. Chances are, he stays in Miami, but Rockets, Bulls, Cavs, Lakers and more are going to give it their best shot. Guys, the next two drop in this deal, what do Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh do? They're both owed $20 million each next year. If they opt out, it shows they're still working with LeBron, probably going to come back with Heat. But if Wade and Bosh don't opt out, it shows that LeBron might be going off on his own and he could be in a new jersey next season.
[Marquez:] I say Chicago.
[Scholes:] You think Chicago, I'm hoping and praying for my Houston Rockets.
[Romans:] I like how they're a team within a team, that's what's so interesting to me. Look, I'm doing unscientific polling, I want to know what everyone is doing Thursday noon eastern time in their office for the game. Serving cocktails, are you having snacks?
[Scholes:] Luckily, we're on the morning shift so our day ends before the USA game starts.
[Marquez:] Body paint, beer in a bar.
[Romans:] Body paint? I'm not going to do body paint. But @christineromans, tell me what you're going to do at Thursday, everyone. I want to hear people doing out there. Thanks, Andy.
[Scholes:] All right.
[Romans:] All right. Breaking news overnight, a longtime election race able to fend off primary election challengers. These races were very close. What it means for this election this November. Body paint?
[Marquez:] Body paint, bar.
[Romans:] After the break.

[Malveaux:] Different, not defective. That is the theme for this week's human factor. Dr. Sanjay Gupta has the story of actress Wendy Davis who struggles and rises above a disorder that affects millions of Americans, including herself.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] Defective. That's how Wendy Davis labeled herself growing up.
[Wendy Davis, Reality Show Actress:] I had a tough time staying seated in class, always found the window next to my desk and the things that were happening outside of the classroom far more interesting. So I just knew that something was different.
[Gupta:] It wasn't until Davis' first-grade daughter was diagnosed with ADHD decades later that she discovered she had it as well.
[Davis:] My entire childhood was explained in that moment. I became a person who studied twice as hard as anyone else. I just became super diligent in the areas that I was interested in.
[Gupta:] For Davis, that was acting. She did find success on
[Tv. Davis:] We need to get something straight.
[Gupta:] With her award-nominated role on Lifetime's "Army Wives" and on parts like shows like "Scandal."
[Davis:] I have a vivid imagination. Also am very emotional. This may not be such a great quality in a corporate office, but it really just works in my profession.
[Gupta:] Now the actress is passing along her positivity. She volunteers for the nonprofit organization CHAD, which provides education and support for people with
[Adhd. Davis:] I'm really here for those kids who aren't feeling good about themselves.
[Gupta:] Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
[Malveaux:] Good for her. Still ahead, Rudy Giuliani gets personal with Barack Obama, questioning the president's patriotism, even some Republicans say it was too much. We're going to have that reaction, up next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. The national lead, he was convicted of a barbaric crime, shooting a teenager, watching as she was buried alive. So, few were shedding tears when Clayton Lockett took his final steps last night along death row. But today, after state of Oklahoma botched his lethal injection, the way that he died is making headlines, even getting the White House's attention.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] We have a fundamental standard in this country that even when the death penalty is justified, it must be carried out humanely and I think everyone would recognize that this case fell short of that standard.
[Tapper:] Clayton Lockett did die last night, but according to witnesses, he certainly did not just quietly and painlessly fade away. Our justice correspondent Pamela Brown has that story for us.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, Jake, the botched execution in Oklahoma is reigniting debate over the politically and ethically charged issue of the death penalty and putting focus on state's efforts to shield the names of suppliers used to kill inmates like Clayton Lockett.
[Brown:] Seven minutes after officials start pumping the first drug, witnesses say inmate Lockett appeared to be conscious, 16 minutes in, it was clear the execution was not going as planned.
[Lis Exon, News Manager, Oeta:] He mumbled, something's wrong. He is lifting his whole upper shoulders and head off the gurney and writhing.
[Brown:] It was then officials closed the blinds shutting out the media gathered to witness the death of the man convicted of kidnapping, raping and murdering a young woman who was then buried alive. The execution was stopped but Lockett died of a heart attack.
[Unidentified Male:] It was my decision at that time to stop the execution.
[Brown:] Officials used a cocktail of three drugs the first to sedate, a second to stop his breathing, and the third to stop his heart. But the deadly mixture is cloaked in secrecy.
[Unidentified Male:] They wanted to hurry up and get it done, with as little transparency as possible.
[Brown:] A majority of the 32 death penalty states, including Oklahoma, have shield laws so that no one, not even death row inmates can know where the drugs came from. Lockett's defense team pressed to learn where drugs were made but lost a lengthy legal battle.
[Paul Callan, Cnn Legal Analyst:] The supplier are afraid they'll be put out of business by cooperation with the death penalty process. If the doctors that they sell prescription drugs to are aware that they're supplying the drugs of death to places like Oklahoma, these companies are fearful that they'll lose prescription business.
[Brown:] Some suppliers won't let states use their drugs for executions. Those that do want their identities protected for fear of retaliation. A recent shortage of lethal injection chemicals has forced some states to try new drug combinations or use drugs from loosely regulated companies. The Food and Drug Administration has not approved any drugs for the use in executions.
[Callan:] Physicians, a lot of times, are not involved in the process because it's a violation of medical ethics and a Hippocratic Oath to assist putting somebody to death. So, it's become a real amateur operation in terms how we actually put people to death in the United States.
[Brown:] In fact, it's not even a doctor administering the deadly shot. Prison officials do it because the American Medical Association bans doctors from giving lethal injections. And another inmate was supposed to be executed right after Lockett, but Oklahoma's governor put a halt on the execution for two weeks pending an investigation. Meantime, the next planned execution in this country is May 13th in Texas. Officials there have been using a single drug since 2011 and so far, haven't had any issues Jake.
[Tapper:] And this is hardly the first time this year, even, that an execution has gone wrong.
[Brown:] That's right. In fact, less than four months ago, Jake, there was an execution in Ohio involving a Dennis McGuire and he was executed with a new combination of drugs due to unavailable of tested drugs and his lasted for 25 minutes. Much longer than it should have, Jake. Witnesses say, for about 10 to 13 minutes he was seen gasping for air. So, that is the latest example of a botched execution.
[Tapper:] Pamela Brown, thank you so much. When we come back, Malaysian officials bombarded with questions today about missing Flight 370. How did they respond when families ask why emergency transponders never signaled a crash? Plus, just days ago, a Nevada rancher was wondering if African- Americans might have been better off as slaves. Now, a black congressman causing a stir for calling Clarence Thomas a, quote, "Uncle Tom". That's ahead.

[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] My job is both to protect the American people and to protect the American way of life which includes our privacy.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking overnight, the president comes out swinging strongly defending the controversial NSA surveillance program and defending his shift on Syria.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Flight risk. An out of control passenger screaming claiming he was poisoned. His fellow fliers restraining him, the third incident in three days. What's going on?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] New details. Celebrity chef, Nigella Lawson, embroiled in a tabloid scandal. Photos that look like she's being choked by her husband on the front page. The police responds this morning.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now.
[Unidentified Male:] What you need to know We have approximately 730 individuals, 99 of which are women. What you just have to see. This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Bolduan:] Good morning, good morning, good morning. And welcome to NEW DAY. Kate Bolduan, Chris Cuomo, Michaela Pereira.
[Pereira:] Good morning.
[Bolduan:] Welcome, everybody.
[Cuomo:] It's great to be here with you, Tuesday, June 18th, seven o'clock in the east and remind you, we are in the middle of 30 minutes of commercial free news. We'll begin right now President Barack Obama attempting to bounce back after those awful poll numbers. A day after his approval ratings took an eight-point plunge, the president is insisting anyone who's outraged by his administration's top secret surveillance programs just doesn't get it. Let's bring in Brianna Keilar. She's in Sligo, Ireland, traveling with the president for the G-8 Summit. What's the latest from there, Brianna?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Chris, the latest this morning is an interview that President Obama gave over the weekend before departing for the G-8 summit. He talked about Syria, and he also talked about the NSA programs that have garnered his administration so much criticism.
[Keilar:] In a candid and unusually long interview with PBS's Charlie Rose, President Obama revealed how defending the homeland weighs on him, even as he discussed his goal of helping the middle class.
[Barack Obama,  President Of The United States:] And that is the thing that I'm going to be focused on for the remainder of my presidency, along with the basics like making sure nobody blows us up.
[Keilar:] Obama stood by newly revealed NSA programs that gather vast amounts of phone and online data from millions of Americans.
[Charlie Rose, Pbs:] Should this be transparent in some way?
[Obama:] It is transparent. That's why we set up the FISA court.
[Keilar:] That's the secret court that rules on warrants for surveillance. At suggestions his administration has been heavy handed Obama bristled.
[Obama:] Some say Obama was a raving liberal before. Now he's Dick Cheney. My concern has been not that we shouldn't do intelligence gathering to prevent terrorism, but rather are we setting up a system of checks and balances.
[Keilar:] Obama discussed the bloody civil war in Syria, where his administration recently said the government crossed a red line using chemical weapons on rebels, some the U.S. support, long overdue says Senator John McCain.
[Obama:] These aren't professional fighters. The notion there was some professional military inside of Syria for us to immediately support.
[Keilar:] In Northern Ireland Obama met with Russian President Vladimir Putin whose government is supplying arms to Syria.
[Obama:] We share an interest in reducing the violence.
[Keilar:] No breakthrough, though Obama and Putin said they will push both sides to negotiate a peace. Now, the Obama administration used the G-8 summit to announce additional humanitarian aid to the serial rebels and countries around Syria taking in refugees, $300 million more, bringing the total to $800 million.
[Cuomo:] Big money, Brianna thank you for the report from there. The president coming out stronger. The question is, are his answers compelling.
[Bolduan:] That's a very good question. And let's dig more on this exact issue and more with CNN's Chief National Correspondent John King joining us again this morning. John we have new polls released in just the last hour I want to get to, but first let's talk about the president and this interview the president did, a very lengthy interview. Here's a little bit more of what he said about Syria.
[Obama:] Unless you've been involved in those conversations then it's kind of hard for you to understand the complexity of the situation and how we have to not rush into one more war in the Middle East.
[Bolduan:] These are his first public comments really since deciding that the red line and publicly coming out to say the red line had been crossed and the White House and administration was going to take further steps in Syria. He's clearly trying to answer critics in this interview and get out there in front of some of the criticism he's facing. Do you think he made a strong enough case, though?
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent:] Well, Kate, he also sounds like he's trying to convince himself. This is a president who has been skeptical in part because he's been in that situation. That's what he's trying to tell Charlie Rose. Unless you've gotten the intelligence briefing, Mr. President it would take 20,000 troops to secure all those Syrian weapons sites. Mr. President, if we have a no fly zone we're likely to have pilots shut down. So that's why the president is trying to explain his caution. But with the American people, the slight a majority oppose any help to the Syrian rebels, in Congress he's been pushed by John McCain and others to be more muscular. Here's how this will turn out, whether or not it works or whether or not his answer is good enough. They'll give some military and humanitarian aid. The president is hoping to change the facts on the ground. Assad is winning. Remember, for months the president said it's not if Assad will go, it's when he'll go. Assad is winning. The president is trying to turn the facts on the ground so if you can get to some peace conference the opposition has some momentum and energy. At the moment it doesn't.
[Bolduan:] He's stuck between the critics who say it's going to be too little too late and other folks saying don't go in at all. We're already overextended in the Middle East. Let's turn now to some of the new polls we just released in the last hour. Walk us through this, because these take on the big scandals facing the president on the home front. First let's talk about the IRS scandal and the polling on that.
[King:] Look at this number because it is stunning. In our new poll, did White House officials order the IRS to target conservative political groups? And 47 percent say yes, up 10 points from last month, 47 percent of the American people say top White House officials ordered this. There is zero evidence of that. Even the Republicans investigating the White House say they have zero evidence any top White House officials ordered this to happen, and yet nearly half the American people think that. That tells you the American people are angry and disgusted about this and tells you the administration still has some explaining to do, if you will. This will encourage the Republicans in the House to continue the aggressive oversight because they think even though there's no evidence of that, this is hurting the president.
[Bolduan:] Also in combination with the polls released yesterday about the dropping level of trust, the belief that the president's honest and trustworthy, that's a difficult trend, these numbers and those numbers combined from yesterday.
[King:] It's a huge trend. If you look at the middle the president is losing the middle. He's keeping most of his Democratic report. Republican opposition was already high. It's has gone even higher. Independents are moving away from the president. That's hard to govern when you lose the middle of America. It tells conservative Democrats they don't have to be with the president, it tells Republicans they don't have to bend with the president. This is on the immigration question here, a path to citizenship or border security, the president wants a path to citizenship to be the hallmark of the immigration bill. Only half of Democrats think that should be the top priority. Independents and Republicans think the border comes first. That emboldens Republicans to hold their ground and say before we give you any path to citizenship, Mr. President, we want more border security. And it's also going to convince them we don't have to give president this is Republican opponents, they don't have to give the president as generous a path to citizenship. The president has lost the middle. That makes it hard to go.
[Bolduan:] That poll shows exactly the tough spot that Congress and the White House is in, because the American people are split down ideological lines with independents moving with Republicans on this, how difficult it will be to push anything through because the American people aren't speaking with one voice on this.
[King:] It's an incredibly complicated issue. Do you want a guest worker program? Who should be involved in the guest worker program? Is that just for agricultural jobs? You have different opinions in California in a farm state than you might have in an urban place. Then you have the issue of a path to citizenship. The president will have a lot of salesmanship to do. The president's best friend in that debate is the fact that the Republicans got shellacked in the last two national elections in the Latino vote so Republicans believe they need to do something, so the president has some solace there.
[Bolduan:] We did hear that from Senator Graham quite a bit. John King, always nice to see you. Thank you so much.
[Cuomo:] All right, for the third time in three days another out of control airline passenger, this time a man who starts screaming at 30,000 feet claiming he'd been poisoned, ranting about the CIA. CNN's Rene Marsh is in Washington with more.
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris, good morning. The FBI tells us no charges have been filed against the man who created this raucous mid-flight. Not only did passengers jump in but they recorded part of the drama on board, too. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm dead.
[Marsh:] Dramatic cell phone audio captures a man screaming after he claims he was poisoned on board united flight 116 from Hong Kong to Newark, New Jersey, stunned passengers forced to step in.
[Jacques Roizen, Helped Subdue Unruly Airline Passenger:] I got up along with a few other passengers. And at one point he reached out for something in his pocket in his jacket and that's when about three or four of us basically tackled him to the ground.
[Marsh:] Jacques Roizen was one of the passengers who held him down while the flight attendants supplied plastic cuffs to restrain him. Roizen snapped these photos of the unruly passenger was described as paranoid and claimed to have information about NSA leaker Edward Snowden.
[Peter Jones, United Airlines Passenger:] He said he worked for the U.S. embassy in Abu Dhabi and he was being detained by the CIA and being transferred and his life was in danger, and so he repeated that over and over and over again.
[Marsh:] This midflight drama is just the latest in a string of midair scares. A man on board a frontier airlines flight from Knoxville to Denver claimed he had a bomb in his bag. No bomb found, the man taken into custody and a passenger on board an Egypt air flight from Cairo to New York's JFK airport found a note inside the bathroom saying "I'll set this plane on fire." The good news in this latest incident, the plane landed safely and passengers were deplaned at the gate. We have reached out to the state department after the claim this man worked at the U.S. embassy in Abu Dhabi. So far, no word back as yet. Chris?
[Cuomo:] Rene, that was the key because that's what he was saying. So we were talking earlier about how we wanted to get deeper into this. Rene, thanks for the reporting. Three passengers, three days, what does this mean? So we're going to bring in national security analyst and former homeland security secretary assistant Juliette Kayyem. If I hadn't said assistant you would have been all over me for the rest of this interview. Thanks for joining us live from Boston. The obvious question, do we have a problem with safety up in the air three passengers, three days?
[Juliette Kayyem, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Well, a problem, yes. These things are occurring. They are very scary. But it's not a systemic issue. These planes are not going down. These are not successful attacks, if you even want to call them that. Chris, how I often think about it on any given day there are 1.5 million people boarding flights across the world. Two of these three flights began abroad. That's a lot of people. You are going to have issues, you're going to have crazy people boarding flights and we have to view passengers as we've seen in a lot of these cases as a last line of defense. It may not be ideal, but just given the number of people who are on airplanes, it is going to happen.
[Cuomo:] All right, but it's the exception that gets you, right, Juliette. So what do you know about safeguards in place we may not recognize moving through the airlines that are keeping us safe?
[Kayyem:] It's called a layered defense system, and this is what TSA has been focusing on the last couple years, focusing on the biggest risk is bringing the airplane down. So you have a pilot secure, you have locked cockpit doors, you have the whole process of reviewing passengers when they are making their flight reservations. That's why we put that information in online. Then of course once you're on the flight, on some flights you have air marshals and we have every expectation as a security apparatus passengers will notice things and may have to get involved. It is part of what this layered defense is, is that passengers have to be aware, it's called see something, say something, but it's part of the planning of that layered defense. So there's stuff going on at the moment of reservations to secure the airplane, check of the luggage, secure the cockpit and then of course whatever's going on with the passengers. And what we've seen in the last couple days, there are crazy people who fly.
[Cuomo:] In your opinion is there something more that needs to be done?
[Kayyem:] It's hard to say at this stage. I think that there is probably too much being done in some regards in terms of the passenger entry onto the plane. If our biggest fear is bringing down a plane with explosives or getting into the cockpit, those should be our biggest fears. Then we have done a lot in terms of luggage security as well as securing the pilots. That's the most important thing. A lot of the passenger security that's going through TSA, and this is why you're seeing changes to what passengers go through at airports, whether it's the proposal to end the knife ban, which I was for, although the department has retracted from it for now, or even stopping the checking of liquid, it is because we have so many other layered defenses, some of the more public things will begin to disband, and we have to be prepared for it. Security is not static. It's changing all the time depending on the risk, depending on the flights, and as we've seen in these cases two of these flights began abroad, so we are completely dependent also on other nations, so it's a constantly fluid process and I'll never say security is perfect, but we have to constantly be reassessing it given the millions of people on planes each day.
[Cuomo:] As you told me before, there are inconveniences but we have to be tolerant because the risks are big. Juliettete Kayyem, thank you very much for the insight this morning, appreciate it. We are in the middle of commercial free news for you, and there's a lot to get to, so let's get over to Michaela. Michaela?
[Pereira:] All right, Chris, thanks so very much. In the headlines on the day, Afghan forces formally take over security from NATO-led troops, a deadly explosion rocking that country's capital. The intended target, one of the country's senior Shia Muslim clerics. Reza Sayah is following developments for us from Kabul. Reza, this latest attack certainly highlighting concern about Afghan troops being up for the task.
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] It's a reminder of what's in store for them. And this was a milestone day and moment of truth for Afghan security forces, in many ways a moment of truth for the U.S. mission and the NATO mission in Afghanistan. In a ceremony this morning NATO officials transferring the lead security role to Afghan security forces. That means for the coming 18 months, NATO forces, U.S. forces will still be here in Afghanistan, but only as a backup role. Leading the charge will be Afghan security forces. This is an army that certainly improved over the past few years according to officials, but critics say they're poorly trained and there's no way they can defend this country against the Taliban. Earlier this morning, as you mentioned they got a reminder of the challenges ahead with the suicide attack in Kabul. Another big development this morning, President Karzai announcing that an office is going to be opened in Qatar for peace talks with the Taliban. We'll keep a close eye on that in the coming weeks as well. Michaela?
[Pereira:] Reza, thanks for that. Certainly some challenges ahead. We appreciate your report. Today the Pentagon is expected to announce plans that will put more women in combat including elite special forces like the Army Rangers and Navy S.E.A.L.S. Today's announcement will place another 6,000 women into combat positions in the U.S. Army. The plan could put women in training for elite special operations units by 2015. Full implementation of women into combat positions including infantry and army units is to be completed by January of 2016. For the first time in this year's Stanley Cup finals, Boston and Chicago didn't need any overtime periods to determine a winner. Bruins goalie Tukka Rask stopped every puck that came his way. He had 28 saves, leading Boston to a 2-0 shutout over the Blackhawks. The Bruins now have a 2-1 series lead. Game four taking place in Boston tomorrow night, before heading back to Chicago for game five. I got a note right before I did that from Berman saying you better bring the energy for the Bruins.
[Bolduan:] You better.
[Cuomo:] Boston strong.
[Pereira:] Boston strong.
[Bolduan:] The guys on the floor love to see a good hockey fight. They say it's interactive.
[Cuomo:] Guys like to see any fight.
[Bolduan:] I guess that's a really good fight. Here is a video you have to see, two teenage boys being air lifted off an 8,600 foot cliff. This video will make you so scared. It happened in California Monday. The boys getting stranded when they tried to hike over a ridge. CNN's Miguel Marquez is live in Los Angeles with more on this amazing story. Miguel?
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] It is amazing. Good morning to you. We all do pretty dumb things when we are young. For these two California boys, this is the summer, we hope, of live and learn.
[Marquez:] A Rescue like none other, 8,600 feet up, two boys trapped on the rocky spine of a ridge only a few feet wide.
[Unidentified Male:] As we went up there, we made decisions to get up that ended up making it so we couldn't get back.
[Marquez::] Bad decisions. Sixteen-year-old Austin Dreschler and a friend on a family camping trip will never forget. In gorgeous but unforgiving nature biting off more than one can chew all too easy.
[Austin Dreschler, Hiker:] We thought we could walk across the ridge. When we got up there and saw the other side, it was heartbreaking. That's when we realized, we're in trouble.
[Marquez:] Serious trouble high winds, gusts up to 30 miles per hour buffeting the helicopters. California highway patrol made four passes before with the precision of the surgeon plucking the boys to safety.
[Officer David White, California Highway Patrol:] It was the most challenging I've done in the 12 years I've been in air operations.
[Marquez:] The challenge lowering harnesses the boys themselves had to put on, then coming back around to have them hook up to be safely carried to a landing zone miles away.
[White:] We lowered the hook a couple of times but the wind would blow us out of position and we'd have to go back around and try it again.
[Marquez:] The harnesses have to be correctly otherwise it's a long fall. For a nervous father watching all of this from below, heartstopping.
[Richard Dreschler, Father:] It's my oldest son and that doesn't come back, right? You don't recover from something like that.
[Marquez:] Thankfully only a frightening lesson learned. And that lesson, says Austin Dreschler is always stay on the trail. Kate back to you.
[Bolduan:] That is exactly the lesson to learn from that. Miguel Marquez, thanks so much Miguel. That's a summer they'll never forget.
[Pereira:] Unfortunately it seems that this happens all too often. People don't pay attention to the signs that are posted because you think I want to get a little closer, I want to get that nice shot. You see it on mountains, you see it in hikes. It happens all too often.
[Bolduan:] It does.
[Pereira:] It won't happen twice with these guys.
[Bolduan:] No. They will stay on the path.
[Cuomo:] I tell you it is scary for the kids but imagine being that dad. He has nothing worse than being a parent and not being able to help your kids and seeing them suspended in the air and you hear the rescuers saying it was the most challenging thing they had done. And it's so interesting when you talk to people in that line of work, and say you must be upset that these kids did something reckless. They say you cannot control peoples' choices. We do our job to get them out of the situation they create.
[Pereira:] They put all of that aside and look at what needs to be done in the moment.
[Bolduan:] Miguel puts it perfectly, with the precision of a surgeon. He really puts it perfectly because of all the variables there. Good story though, good ending at least.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, British police responding to those disturbing pictures of celebrity chef Nigella Lawson apparently getting choked by her husband. See what happened when CNN caught up with him.
[Bolduan:] And singer Melissa Etheridge, a breast cancer survivor is now criticizing Angelina Jolie's decision to undergo a double mastectomy, why she calls it a fearful choice.

[Baldwin:] Friends, family, and students gathered this morning in Danvers, Massachusetts, to say goodbye to Colleen Ritzer. Take a look. Colleen Ritzer was just 24 years of age. She is remembered as a favorite teacher to so many students, for her smile, her positive attitude. She taught math at Danvers High School, an aunt said she wanted to be a teacher her whole life. Police say one of her students killed Ritzer inside a bathroom last Tuesday after school. A 14-year- old boy has been charged with murder. Just a decade ago, Jalen Arnold became the youngest diagnosed case of Tourette's syndrome, and today, he's leading the charge to put an end to bullying of students all across the country. Here is Dr. Sanjay Gupta with today's "Human Factor."
[Jaylen Arnold, Has Severe Tourette Syndrome:] I'm Jaylen and I have Tourette's syndrome, and I used to get bullied for that, a lot.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Chief Medical Correspondent:] Cool, calm, confident, 13-year-old Jaylen Arnold is on a mission to banish bullying for all.
[Arnold:] I've felt the pain of being bullied, and I know I have been bullied bad, but I know there are over 100 kids that are being bullied, 100 times worse than I was.
[Gupta:] You see, Jaylen has Tourette's syndrome. It's a neurological disorder that caused repetitive involuntary movement and sounds called tics.
[Robin Eckelberger, Jaylen's Mother:] Jaylen began ticking at the age of 2. We went through several doctor appointments. Pediatrician was like, my goodness, I think this is classic Tourette's case and he was only diagnosed at 3 because in order to be diagnosed with Tourette's they have to observe the behavior for one full year.
[Gupta:] Jaylen's mom, Robin uploaded a video to YouTube, hoping it would help children and parents alike better understand her son's disability. The video has racked up around 200,000 views. And it also captured the attention of actor Dash Mihok, who is currently starring on Showtime's hit series "Ray Donovan." "
[Ray Donovan" Courtesy Showtime:] I was a fighter.
[Gupta:] Together, Dash and Jaylen captivate their student audience working with Jaylen's Challenge Foundation to put a stop to bullying.
[Dash Mihok, Actor:] I'm here because I have a young brother named Jaylen Arnold who reminds me of me as a kid. He has a message to bring to the world, and doing it at an age that I wish that I had had the bravery to step up and reach as many people as he does.
[Arnold:] And we came up with Jaylen's Challenge because I wanted to stand up and do something to make a difference. It hurts to think about how much torture and how miserable a kid's life can be just because of one person is causing them to feel that their self-esteem and that they're worthless.
[Mihok:] Bullying no way.
[Gupta:] Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
[Baldwin:] First the Obamacare web site, and now spying on world leaders. If it's true that President Obama didn't know about all these issues in his administration until they blow up, we're asking, why the heck not? I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now. Accident or crime, the operator of this state fair ride in court accused of using the vortex as a deadly weapon. Plus, Julianne Hough apologizes for this Halloween costume. Should there be even be outrage in the first place. And I'll speak live with one of Lou Reed's best friends about the life of a rock legend. Here we go, hour two. Breaking news, I'm Brooke Baldwin. We can now tell you two Oklahoma inmates on the run since early Sunday morning have just been captured. Two others who joined their escape are still missing. Take a long look at these pictures here, folks. CNN has confirmed that two of the men, Dylan Three Irons and Prime Brown are now in custody. They were rearrested about 90 minutes ago less than 20 miles from where they first escaped. How did they manage to break out of jail in the first place? They apparently broke through a hatch in a shower late Saturday night, crawled through the ceiling, walked out of the jail undetected. I know it sounds like a movie plot. It is true. Larry Levine joins me now. He's a former federal inmate and the founder of Wall Street Consultants. Larry, it's nice to see you again here. Let's first begin with the fact that police or authorities caught up with two of the guys and caught them not too far from the jail, 20 miles. Does it surprise you they didn't get that far?

[Sciutto:] Breaking news. Some dramatic pictures from Missouri. The National Guard is headed to Ferguson after every other step to contain rowdy demonstrations after Michael Brown's shooting have failed. This follows another volatile night with gunshots, Molotov cocktails and looting on the streets. So how can the guard help get the situation under control? We're now joined by Lieutenant General Russel Honore, He's the author of "Leadership in the New Normal." He also coordinated military relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina. Very good to have you here, General Honore. Thank you for joining us.
[Lt. Gen. Russel Honore:] Good morning.
[Sciutto:] So we're watching a number of steps, just in the last 24 hours. You have 200 National Guard troops deployed, you have the curfew reinstated. Also, just seeing those pictures, I think our viewers back home certainly noticed this. The police again in what looked like military uniforms, the gas masks back on. As you see developments there, the violence overnight. Do you think these are the right moves by Governor Nixon?
[Honore:] It's a logical sequence. The governor by constitution has a responsibility to maintain civil control inside the state of Missouri. This is one of the measures and that is why we have the National Guard in each state who do a mission. First to the governor, then to the president of the United States as required. The good news is that inside the state of Missouri, you have two military police battalions. As I recall from my four years mobilizing and training the national guard between 2004 and 2008, most of those units have trained, localized and deployed even to Afghanistan, Iraq or to Kosovo. So they're a well-trained, well-equipped unit. Missouri also has the 35th infantry division headquarters that they have an option to use to provide cop cover as required. But, yes, these troops are MPs by and large. I would assume that's the unit they're sending. I have not seen the details yet. This thing has two battalions of MPs.
[Sciutto:] I'm glad you brought that up. First of all, I'm glad you brought up your connection because you helped train these National Guard troops, but also their military experience here. I don't mean to minimize at all the danger. We saw that danger, we heard it from our reporters on the ground. Molotov cocktails, people shot, mind you not by police, but by others. But you also know the potential to further inflame the situation with military-like tactics. Is it your concern, can it be a concern that military experience among the law enforcement responders could conceivably make the situation worse rather than better?
[Honore:] Well, I think the law enforcement, if you're talking about the militarization or the type of tactics they used, I was somewhat surprised they didn't use more of a riot control posture. It appeared to be more of an assault posture. Hopefully these MPs will pick up the their control kit. We had several of these kits throughout the United States available to the National Guard. And knowing Gerald Dan and his troops there, the [inaudible] general. The other thing is Missouri is the home of our military police school. I would imagine these troops that are coming in will be well equipped with riot control equipment which is basically a lot of shields and face guards, as well as body protection to protect them from any debris. That's what I'm hoping to see, but I haven't had the opportunity to collaborate with them and get any information yet. They certainly have the training and they should come with the right equipment which is riot control equipment.
[Sciutto:] It sounds like you're saying more defensive than an offensive posture. You rightfully got great praise during the Katrina situation. You brought in the 82nd Airborne division so you brought in military troops to help respond, but you were lauded for keeping them under control, famously cursing a soldier that had his gun pointed at people saying this is a rescue mission, not an assault mission. How do you, as a commander, instill in the law enforcement people who are responding here that kind of emphasis? How do you make that happen so it doesn't get out of control?
[Honore:] Leadership at the point of the incident. You can't be sitting back inside St. Louis someplace and managing this from a TV screen. Senior leadership is going to have to be on the ground down there with the captain of the state police, Captain Ron Johnson, and his crew as well as collaborating with the police department. You might have 200 National Guard troops working with the police at the direction of where the police, where the governor wants them to go, but they'll be higher headquarters command dealing with support and collaboration to make sure that those troops have the intelligence they need and working with the police. They will have to be integrated there with the police. You talk about 200-plus National Guard. That state has the capacity to put 9,000 National Guard in there immediately. So they've got the capacity and they have the right kind of troops which are MPs, to get this mission done.
[Sciutto:] MPs on the streets of an American city. Thanks very much Lieutenant General Russel Honore. Kate, you know you get a real sense from that interview just the difficult balance that law enforcement has on the ground there, letting people demonstrate, express themselves, but obviously keeping the violence under control.
[Bolduan:] Yes, exactly right and we've seen how difficult that balance is because we've been seeing it play out every night. Jim, thank you so much. We've got a lot of news we're following on the ground in Ferguson and beyond, so let's get right to it.
[Unidentified Female:] This is unacceptable. Until we get justice we will not stop.

[Malveaux:] Want to bring you some dramatic live pictures here. This is out of Houston, Texas. This is a hotel that is on fire. You can see the aerials from there from our affiliate. This is KPRC. The huge big black billowing smoke that is coming from that facility there, it is a four-alarm fire. A reporter on the ground saying that this fire might have started in the sports bar. You can see as they zoom in there, just dramatic flames, really engulfing that building. There are fire crews that are on the scene. You can see that they've blocked off the street as well. It is close to the highway. But lots of personnel that are there, and you see the emergency crews as well as many of the fire trucks that are parked along the side. We have seen firefighters that are on site, very close to the flames, with hoses trying to get that out as quickly as possible. We don't know whether or not there's anyone inside of the hotel at this moment. But certainly we see some people on gurneys there that are near the ambulance. We're going to have more details. We'll bring that to you as soon as we can. It is almost like a going-out-of-business sale in Detroit, really. Potentially on the table, we're talking about Van Goghs, Rodin, as well as Rembrandts. This is a scenario that is kind of disturbing really to art lovers, but Detroit, so much in debt, it is considering all options to raise billions of dollars, including selling that art. Poppy Harlow explains.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Correspondent:] Matisse, Renoir, Van Gogh. Diego Rivera's iconic Detroit industry. Treasurers of the Detroit Institute of Art.
[Graham Beal, Director, The Detroit Institute Of Arts:] So this is a Monet.
[Harlow:] A Monet that could be sold to pay down Detroit's debt. More than $15 billion in debt, Detroit's emergency manager Kevin Orr asked the museum for an inventory to appraise its 60,000 pieces.
[Beal:] They basically let us know that the collection was not off the table.
[Harlow:] What makes Detroit unique is that the city actually owns all of the art here. Making it vulnerable for sale. In most cities, a nonprofit owns the art. [Voice-over] In a statement, Orr insists there is no plan on the table to sell any asset of the city but says it is possible that the city's creditors could demand the city use its assets to settle its debts. That's if Detroit files for bankruptcy. [On Camera] What did you think when you heard that this was under consideration?
[Laura Bartell, Law Professor, Wayne State University:] He has got to look at what assets Detroit has, what they are worth, and whether they should be sold.
[Harlow:] Would it be irresponsible for him not to do this?
[Bartell:] Absolutely.
[Harlow:] But the possibility of selling off beloved masterpieces is sparking heated debate.
[Unidentified Female:] I cannot even imagine this not being here. It's one of the things that to me makes the city worth going to.
[Unidentified Male:] I hope it doesn't get sold off.
[Harlow:] What would the sale of this mean?
[Beal:] It would be a tragic irony. The first U.S. museum to acquire a Van Gogh in 1922 and then 90 years later, we sell it.
[Harlow:] Some works were donated with the mandate they not be sold. Most, though, are on the table.
[Charles Pugh, Detroit City Council President:] How in the hell are you going to sell a Renoir or a Van Gogh or a Jacob Lawrence painting to pay our bills?
[Harlow:] But this city is more than $15 billion in the hole.
[Pugh:] I know. But, see, selling your art work should not be one way to fix it. It's like selling your kids. There are other assets that we can leverage and get this money that we need.
[Harlow:] What power do you have?
[Beal:] We have the power of the courts. We will defend, we'll do everything we can to defend the integrity of this collection, yes.
[Harlow:] As have people in three counties, who voted last year to increase their own taxes to support the museum when the city no longer could. But if Detroit goes bankrupt, nothing may be able to save these masterpieces. Poppy Harlow, CNN, Detroit.
[Malveaux:] Well, that's it for me. CNN NEWSROOM continues after this break. Have a great weekend.

[Phillips:] President Obama rammed home his message of opportunity for all during a pep talk today to House Democrats. Here he is addressing the Dems' yearly retreat.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] The single most important thing we have to do not just as a party, but as a country, is make sure that there is opportunity for every single person that we are focused every day in this town or in Washington on making sure if you are willing to work hard, if you are willing to take responsibility, you can get ahead.
[Phillips:] Gloria Borger is our chief political analyst. She is with us from Washington. What do you think? Will this be the Democrat's number one theme, going into the election in November, an opportunity for all?
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] Absolutely. You know, the president used to spend a lot of time talking about income and equality and now that sort of shifted over because he's gotten some criticism for that and to opportunity for all. So he is going to talk about that in terms of raising the minimum wage and affordable care act in providing health coverage for people who could not get it before, in terms of your retirement with special retirement accounts. So he is sort of lumping this all together to give the Democrats he was talking to today kind of a platform to run on in 2014 without having to directly attach themselves to the president. He hasn't been very popular lately, giving them the Democratic agenda without talking about Barack Obama if they don't want to.
[Phillips:] Those Dems also want to know how to defend against the attacks on Obamacare as well, right?
[Borger:] They absolutely do. What's interesting in talking to senior Democrats is that they intend to take on the attacks funneling. They are going to say Republicans are going to attack Obamacare and say it doesn't work and the risk pool won't work. You heard the president today tout the fact that they have 3.3 million people who enrolled. But what the Democrats are going to say in the campaign is do you want to take away benefits from people? So you tell all the people with pre-existing conditions who now they don't matter and suddenly they will matter again and all those kids who are insured until the age of 26, under their parents policies that oops you suddenly don't have that anymore. So they are taking the gamble. Even though there have been problems with Obamacare and let's not downplay those because they have been huge, now it may be getting back on track. The government will be regarded as more confident that it was and that they can start touting the benefits and hopefully people's insurance premiums will not rise so that people get sticker shock. That's the big question out there. They are going to defend it very strongly.
[Phillips:] Hopefully, hopefully. That's the quote of the day.
[Borger:] That's the question.
[Phillips:] Gloria Borger, thanks so much. GM is recalling a million cars and it will be hard to notify owners who have been impacted. We'll explain why next.

[Monica Lewinsky, Former White House Intern:] Sixteen years ago, fresh out of college, a 22-year-old intern in the White House, and more than averagely, romantic, I fell in love with my boss, in a 22-year-old sort of way, it happened. But my boss was the president of the United States. That probably happens less often.
[Camerota:] That was Monica Lewinsky. Opening up to an audience in Philadelphia about her relationship with President Bill Clinton, and the humiliation that she experienced when it went public, calling herself, patient zero of online harassment. Lewinsky said her new mission in life is to end cyberbullying. Lewinsky's speech coming on the same day she joined Twitter. So, here to talk about all of that are CNN political analyst and editor in chief of "The Daily Beast," John Avlon, and his better half, Margaret Hoover, CNN political commentator and Republican consultant. Fascinating to see Monica Lewinsky back and being sort of reflective, and that tone that she's using. Margaret, what do you think?
[Margaret Hoover, Cnn Political Commentator:] I think that Monica Lewinsky, like all Americans or all people deserves a second act in American life. This is a woman who as we all know was really banished and shamed and she spoke so eloquently and incredibly in a raw way, in a vulnerable way. And I have, I frankly garnered such a huge amount of respect for her, for her courage, for her journey, and think that we in the media should, we're ready to move on. We don't want to relive the Clinton legacy. We don't want let's let her be a spokesperson for cyberbullying. She's an authority on this and she could be an incredible voice in this debate. And I really put of respect for her and her process this is a real person who really suffered. She even spoke so candidly, she almost died.
[Camerota:] She considered suicide. She talked about how she was feeling suicidal. In fact, let's listen to her talk about her public humiliation in the past years.
[Lewinsky:] I was patient zero. The first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the Internet. When I ask myself, how best to describe how the last 16 years has felt, I always come back to that word: shame my own personal shame, shame that befell my family, and shame that befell my country, our country.
[Cuomo:] John Avlon, fact: Monica Lewinsky paid a much bigger price for the affair than President Clinton. Fact or fiction?
[John Avlon, The Daily Beast:] Absolutely fact.
[Cuomo:] Why? Sexism? Good PR?
[Avlon:] No, you know, when you have the bully pulpit, people have to seen new context. If he would have been a manager at a sporting goods store, he would have been fired on day one. But when you have constitutionally protect office
[Cuomo:] They tried to, they impeached him.
[Avlon:] But they can't, right, you know, unilaterally. But I do think the speech was so thoughtful and funny at times. And she took the risk of intimacy, which great speeches have to do. And it reminds us 16 years after that constitutional crisis, that celebrity-driven scandal, the human collateral damage in that political witch hunt.
[Cuomo:] Witch hunt? How is it a witch hunt?
[Avlon:] Well, it was a politically motivated investigation to delegitimize a duly elected president of an opposition party. And whoever was caught in the crossfire was considered collateral damage. And there was an element of shaming, of humiliation, of cyberbullying, as she said. And she was patient zero to some extent. Now, she survived, the president survived. He emerged with you know, left office with 60 percent approval ratings, and 15, 20 years later, you're able to see her in a deeper context that I think compels compassion. And that's what we should try to do a better job remembering in the first part.
[Camerota:] I don't know that she survived, I mean, she survived literally.
[Avlon:] But she's alive, yes.
[Camerota:] She's alive. But, I mean, her life has been a shadow of what it could have been, and she's talked about that. She didn't get jobs, she didn't have relationships, all because she was so shamed. But you know, I don't want to blame the victim here and I believe that she now after all that, because of the fallout, she was the victim.
[Avlon:] The president as well as the media and the investigators.
[Camerota:] Of the cyberbullying, not of her action. But basically, shouldn't she have spoken out sooner? It is so poignant, it is so relatable. Maybe she shouldn't have waited 16 years to talk about it.
[Hoover:] I am really very cautious about criticizing anybody who's been a victim to this extent. She was the first one, the only one that we've seen to be a cyberbullying victim to this extent. So, I think everybody has their own process, everyone has their own journey. Let's let her be a spokesperson for this. Let's let her speak out, and let's let her create a new identity for herself in the public eye that we can all respect and talk to and listen.
[Cuomo:] Didn't really happen, even after the "Vanity Fair" article, there is stink on her about this. And, I think -
[Hoover:] Only because we perpetuate it by saying things like that, Chris.
[Cuomo:] No, but I'm saying that the media won't leave her alone. She came out with "Vanity Fair," she wrote a very intelligent piece about it, right? Mocked right away, she should shut up. She should go away. If it happened today, if the sitting president, you know, we don't wish this on anybody on either side it, but do you think that there would have been this kind of reflexive ignoring of any kind of feminism, of any kind of gender balance, and just putting it all on her like happened then.
[Avlon:] Yes, I - look. I mean, that was unprecedented in American history, right? I mean, we were all coming to grips with something in real-time that we never had to confront in real-time before.
[Cuomo:] We'd had presidents who had stepped out before.
[Avlon:] Absolutely, we'd absolutely had, but we'd never confronted it in real-time with evidence, and here's a country that has a tradition going back to, you know, the scarlet a and our puritan roots. So, this was a really tough, real-time confrontation with ourselves and our own hypocrisy. She got caught in the middle of it. Now, we're wiser now and I think the challenge is for us to then, when we see these scandals unfold in real-time, try to remember the human beings beneath them, as well as just that the pile on, and the spin, and the judgement.
[Camerota:] And, you know, because she is now speaking out, and I think that this was my point, is that people respond differently.
[Avlon:] Sure.
[Camerota:] So then there is sympathy, once you hear somebody in their own words, then there is sympathy. She joined Twitter, as we said, last night at I think 9:00 p.m. She tweeted -
[Cuomo:] That was a risky move.
[Camerota:] But, she tweeted this, and this is good news, I think. She tweeted #gratitude, #overwhelmed, #thank you.
[Cuomo:] She has 14,000 followers or so, but I'm just saying. If she wants to get the message out about cyberbullying, she's in the right place, being on Twitter. But I just hope she's ready to deal with what can happen there.
[Hoover:] I think that clearly she is. She's taken her time, she's been amazingly thoughtful. I, you know, I want to hear more from her, and I really, I applaud her. I think she is a woman of real courage.
[Cuomo:] Yes.
[Hoover:] And to put herself out there all over again, I mean, this is somebody that I want to hear more from and to allow her to create a new identity for herself so people can learn from her experience.
[Camerota:] Margaret Hoover, John Avlon, thanks so much. We want to know what you think about it. You can find us all on Twitter, too. Be part of the conversation. Also, quick programming note. Tonight Jake Tapper moderates the Florida governor's debate. The state's current governor, Rick Scott, and the former governor, Charlie Crist, go head to head 7:00 p.m. Eastern on CNN. Let's hope they both have fans.
[Cuomo:] So, Oscar de la Renta, he dressed first ladies, leading ladies, ladies who lunch. Pretty much anybody who wanted to be somebody needed to be seen in Oscar de la Renta at some point. This morning, we will remember the fashion designer, Mr. Oscar de la Renta. He died at the age of 82. We'll have a look back at his life and pioneering style. A man of true class that went well beyond fashion. Stay with us.

[Becky Anderson:] CNN goes inside Kobani. We gain exclusive access to the besieged Syrian town and get a true sense of the devastation. We'll be live with Nick Paton Walsh in just a moment for what he saw there. Also ahead, an arrest in the Abu Dhabi shopping mall killing. Police say the suspect is an Emirati woman who wanted to, and I quote, "create chaos and spread fear." And as the ruble tumbles, Vladimir Putin warns of tough times ahead and says the west is trying to keep Russia down.
[Announcer:] Live from CNN Abu Dhabi, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
[Anderson:] A very good evening. It is 8:00 p.m. here. First, a look at what it's like on the frontline in the battle against ISIS. A CNN crew managed to get inside Kobani, the city at the heart of the battle in northern Syria. Senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh went alongside fighters trying to keep the city from falling into the radical militants' hands. He joins me now in Turkey not far from the Syrian border Nick.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn International Correspondent:] Becky, after months of seeing Kobani enraged in that conflict from the hills overlooking in Turkey, it is remarkable to stand in its streets and see the scale of devastation, to hear the almost constant crack of explosions and heavy machine gun fire, a quite chilling scene. From inside Kobani, the days ferocity gets no respite at night, a prize so small, but so valued that violence seems to swallow it whole, grinding its streets down to the bone. We're heading to the front line where nightly, daily, ISIS hoped to advance with Meedya, a Kurdish female fighter also in their egalitarian world this unit's commander. Coalition air power did this, pushing ISIS back. They abandon their dead as they retreat, the decaying smell haunts these front lines. Some call it Kobanigrad after the city Stalin sacrificed to make a point. Little left here, but a bulwark of Kurdish defiance 20 meters from ISIS. They think they see something in the rubble.
[Walsh:] Even after coalition support, desperately in need of better arms. It's the kind of exchanges that happen here hourly. ISIS literally meters to that side shooting at this position, but receiving return fire as well. This surely wasn't the death ISIS recruits were sold in their propaganda videos. Mortars are often used, so we pull back.
[Unidentified Male:] Up against the wall. You against the wall.
[Walsh:] Meedya is 22 and has been within five meters of ISIS. Here, friends are made and lost. Her best friend Reeban died saving others.
[Meedya Raqqa, Ypg Kurdish Commander:] There were very heavy clashes with ISIS. We were outnumbered and out of ammunition. She herself was injured, but she advanced to help save the other injured with her. ISIS surrounded her, because girls are very prized by them. She then blew herself up and killed a lot of them with her. I was near her then. Her last words were to me were, we will liberate our land with the last drop of blood in my body.
[Walsh:] The men bring us tea. This is the polar opposite of ISIS's worldview. They cannot afford to stop the fight, even if that means there's little left to live on when they do. Now Becky, when you're actually inside the city, we had heard before that ISIS controlled about a third of it, had been pushed back. It did seem inside that where those front lines were ISIS have more than that. The YPG Syrian-Kurds today claimed to have taken back some key neighborhoods in the southeast, but I think most of the estimates we heard inside were that they, ISIS, still have about 40, 50 percent of Kobani. The fight for it, really, in the balance every day and night when you hear the rounds being exchanged. And those Kurds, as you saw there running out of food and fuel as winter approaches and more particularly ammunition and the kind of weapons they need, Becky.
[Anderson:] Remarkable stuff. Nick Paton Walsh reporting. Nick, thank you. It was an attack that shocked a city and a nation. Police say the Emirati woman suspected of killing an American teacher at an Abu Dhabi shopping mall intended to kill again. Authorities in the UAE have stopped short of calling Monday's traumatic events here in the capital an act of terror, but after the fatal stabbing and the placing of a homemade bomb outside a doctor's hose directly afterwards, they do say the suspect seemed intent on spreading fear and chaos. Well, earlier police released new footage of the dramatic aftermath. 48 hours after the stabbing death of an American woman in a shopping mall toilet, UAE police raid the house of an Emirati woman in her late 30s and take her into custody. The woman is suspected of stabbing to death 47-year-old Ibolya Ryan on Monday. These images show a veiled figure on a mission of malice. Police now say shortly after the stabbing attack, the mysterious suspect was already aiming at her next target, another U.S. citizen, this time a Muslim American doctor with a homemade bomb. Fortunately, this plan was foiled. But who is this woman? And what are her motives? How old is the suspect? What does she do? And are you dealing with this as a terror case? UNIDENTIFIED MALE; She's nearly 38-years-old and she's from the UAE. And about the last point of your question, this is under investigation now and I cannot [inaudible] now. What authorities will say is that the suspect probably meant to spread chaos and fear. The car in which she fled the scene of the killing had several knives and walkie talkies. Whatever the circumstances, they are certainly highly unusual in a city renowned for safety. And the police video purporting to show the suspect's arrest catches a drama few would associate with the UAE. Now the Emirates is on guard. Ever since the Gulf nation took on a leading role in the coalition fighting ISIS, it's been increasingly susceptible to extremist retaliation. And on top of it, there's a glaring rift in the region between moderate and radical factions. The Emirati foreign minister highlighted the existential dangers at the UN general assembly earlier this year.
[Anwar Gargash, Minister Of State For Foreign Affairs Uae:] I think it's indicative of the threat that everybody feels is common. Nobody is basically immune. Everybody is threatened, the way of life, the values, this is I think a danger to all of us, terrorism. And I think this is indicative of how the coalition was built on the sense that we need to act. It we can't be passive.
[Anderson:] The UAE has long enjoyed a reputation as an oasis of calm in a turbulent and often violent part of the world. It's the modern face of the Middle East, attracting millions of tourists with its beaches, shopping and golf courses, and home to Dubai International Airport, one of the world's busiest. But for now, the uncertainty over this mysterious woman and her intentions has this normally peaceful nation on edge. More on what this incident means for the UAE and whether or not this attack will change this Gulf state's foreign policy. Let's bring in our regular contributor Fawaz Gerges, chair of the contemporary Middle East studies program at the London School of Economics, a regular guest on this show. Quite unusual for me to be doing a story from here with you certainly in London these days for me. But from the outside and the reason that this country got involved in the coalition they say is the existential threat that the UAE believes it and the wider region faces. And if an attack like this one, though they are falling short of actually calling it a terror attack, but surely they will suggest will mean their sometimes criticized anti-terror policy here is correct.
[Fawaz Gerges, London School Of Economics:] Well, Becky, as you just suggested the United Arab Emirate is a very active member in the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS. Also, another complicating factor, the United Arab Emirates has been waging a relentless campaign against Islamists of all colors and persuasions. Just a few weeks ago, the government basically listed dozens of Islamist religious based activists and put them on its terrorist watch. So in this particular sense, the United Arab Emirate is really on the front line. It's waging a campaign not only against ISIS, but against all kinds of Islamist and this basically not only complicates the security situation, it could basically I mean, inspire, motivate some radicals in order to attack the country and basically retaliate against its polities.
[Anderson:] Well, and that is clearly a concern here this evening and indeed over the past couple of days. I want to go back to something that you just alluded to there, this extensive list of groups and people who have been designated as terror organizations or belonging to terror organizations been widely criticized outside of this region, certainly, by groups like the Human Rights Watch, for example, how say that it simply doesn't hold water. And the sort of powers that this legislation extends to a government like this one is way too extensive. How would you respond to those sort of criticisms?
[Gerges:] Well, you know, Becky, this is not just a product of the last few weeks. This has been going on for almost one or two years. The leadership of the United Arab Emirates has basically made a conscious decision to basically crackdown against Islamists. They believe that the Islamist ideology, the ideology of the Islamist groups, not just ISIS, even the Muslim brotherhood, even the mainstream Islamists represent an existential threat to the country. And in this particular sense I think now the United Arab Emirates is really on the front line. It's really an active member not only of the U.S. coalition, but also a country that has decided to wage all-out war against Islamsits. If I might say one word about this particular sense, this is not just about the United Arab Emirates, Becky, you have an Arab Civil war now. And this civil war is between Islamists on the one hand, religious-based activists and nationalists. Nationalists basically in Egypt, in Libya and the United Arab Emirates and the United Arab Emirates now has made a strategic decision to basically battle the Islamists not just in the United Arab Emirates, even in Egypt and in Libya. The United Arab Emirates now is playing a leadership role in this particular Arab civil war that's raging in the region.
[Lu Stout:] Certainly the foreign minister and a delegation represented at the meeting that Kerry was chairing at NATO, which there were other dignitaries and not necessarily NATO members recently. But there to listen to, and one assumes discuss behind closed doors, with others any potential change in strategy as this war is fought against ISIS. Also looking to, I'm sure, and reports of, Iranian jets in the skies over Iraq, for example, and the involvement that many believe Iran is having in this war against the militant group. Do you expect to see a change in policy in the short-term going forward?
[Gerges:] No, Becky, I don't think there is any qualitative shift in the American strategy. As you know, the American strategy is basically prioritizes Iraq. The theater is Iraq, they want to roll back the ISIS advances. They want to help the Iraqi forces stand up the Kurds, the Iraqi government's Sunni and Shiite allies. They want to dislodge ISIS from Mosul, Takrit, Fallujah. And of course Syria is a secondary theater. The meeting yesterday in Brussels was really basically a review of the strategy, to go beyond the military attacks by focusing on ideology, focusing on basically preventing ISIS from getting financed, starving the ISIS financial system and also develop strategies to deal with the outreach and ideologically outreach of ISIS. In this particular sense, the United Arab Emirates, Becky, is one of the most important partners for the United States, for your own viewers. In fact, I would argue it's the most important member in this coalition now. It's active. It's proactive. And it has basically made a critical decision to go all the way not only against ISIS, but what it perceives to be the Islamist threat in the region as a whole.
[Lu Stout:] Fawaz Gerges, we thank you. You are an expert on the subject tonight. Still to come on Connect the World with me Becky Anderson, anger on the streets of New York as protesters demand justice for a man who died while being arrested. Details on that are just ahead. And tonight, we'll look at Vladimir Putin's popularity at home. Russia's president enjoys record ratings, but can he weather an economic recession? That after this.

[Nina Dos Santos:] Tonight, SAC pleads not guilty. Wall Street's biggest hedge fund denies insider trading charges. Wonga investment. The Church of England is embarrassed over its links to the payday lender. And just as Facebook charms investors, why a study says that it might be getting its users down. Hello, I'm Nina Dos Santos, and this is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS. Good evening. SAC Capital is heading for an epic court battle with the US government after denying all charges of fraud. The hedge fund pleaded not guilty at a pretrial hearing in New York. That was after US attorneys accused it of the biggest insider trading scam in history. Let's go over to Felicia Taylor, who's in New York following all these developments. So, Felicia, they're going after the company, but also its assets, which are owned by Steven A. Cohen.
[Felicia Taylor, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yes, this is the crux of the conversation. And this all surrounds what they're calling "unprecedented insider trading scheme." Now, that means that the government has to prove that there was willful intent to engage in insider trading.
[Taylor:] But what's the definition of insider trading? That's a fine line as to the way traders and portfolio managers may have obtained information. Let's take a listen to Ralph Silva, who runs a research firm out of Toronto onto what exactly that fine line can mean.
[Ralph Silva, Director, Silva Research Network:] Insider trading in much smaller level happens on a daily basis. People hear things when they're going out for a bagel, they just hear things, and they react to these things. Management doesn't always know all the interactions that their traders or analysts are doing. As a result, they can't necessarily manage this. But what's unprecedented with this case is that it is a criminal case, not a regular regulatory case, where just a small fine or maybe some type of exclusion was happening. And all the contacts that I've been talking to over the past 24 hours in New York, they're running scared.
[Taylor:] Question is, did these individuals willfully, knowingly get non-public, material information or was it just sort of innocuous conversation that may have happened, as Ralph Silva pointed out, possibly at a coffee shop or over a dinner table or they just witnessed something happening. It's a very difficult thing to prove, especially on a criminal level. The point is, though, is that Preet Bharara, who is the US attorney in the Southern District Court of New York, is going after this hedge fund in particular because it is so high-profile. That has to scare a number of other hedge fund industry portfolio managers or heads of hedge fund out there, because they're very serious about cracking down on insider trading. Earlier, we spoke to John Coffee of Columbia University, who has has take on how this might affect a small portion of the industry.
[John Coffee, Professor, Columbia Law School:] This will send some shockwaves through that portion of the hedge fund community that tries to beat the market by acquiring market-making news. That's a small portion of the total hedge fund community, which is largely quantitative in their orientation. But of those people, this means they've got to watch out. They've got to take diligence and compliance seriously. Mr. Cohen was sort of evading that, it appears. So, I think we will see a significant change in behavior in the world of fast-trading hedge funds.
[Taylor:] In other words, more compliance, more transparency. Obviously, not everybody in the hedge fund industry engages in this kind of alleged illegal activity. But you know, what's really interesting about this case, Nina, is not only are they discussing insider trading, but they've also issued charges of money laundering. That is something that we haven't necessarily heard before that is associated with this kind of trading. And how do you get from insider trading to money laundering? The way the US attorney has done this is by saying that because those funds allegedly were received and profitable off of insider trading, which is obviously illegal, and then those funds were funneled back into what were perfectly legitimate funds, all of the funds are then tainted. And that's how they can go after the money laundering, and that could lead to the seizing of all of Steve Cohen's assets. That includes his house, his art collection, and other property that he may own, which I believe he has in Florida and also in the Hamptons, which is in Long Island, the eastern part of Long Island. So, there's a number of different reasons why this could be an enormous problem for him. Not only is it going to cost him potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, possibly even billions, but they could go after all of his assets, and therefore, his business will shut down.
[Dos Santos:] Yes, $9.3 billion, that's an awful lot at stake, and a lot of that personal fortune, as you were just saying, Felicia, is wound up also in SAC Capital. Joining us from New York, Felicia Taylor this evening, thanks for that. Now, US stocks look like they're heading for losses on this week's trading. Take a look at the big board behind me. It's the second or third day that this market has been in the red after reaching another set of record highs earlier on in the week. The Dow is off by, as you can see here, almost around about 50 points at the moment. It was up down around about twice that amount in points terms earlier on in this session. It has managed to recover, as you can see. It's only down around about a third of one percent. But as we've said, we've had a series of disappointing earnings coming out from some of the big bellwethers in the United States, particularly in the tech world, like Amazon and Expedia. We'll have more on those in a moment's time. But all of this has painted a bit of a mixed corporate picture, and the economic news has been more positive. However, one measure of consumer confidence in the United States did come in at its highest level in six years. As I was saying, though, really, what people are looking for is the statements that are coming out of some of these companies further down the line about what they expect to happen in the world's largest economy. Well, it's been a big week for second quarter results as the earnings season begins to eventually wind down, that'll offer some relief to the likes of Alison Kosik, who's been following all the action at the New York Stock Exchange and joins us now, live, with more. Alison?
[Alison Kosik, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Oh, no, no, no. I love the action, Nina. But it is a pretty light day on the earnings calendar today. We are watching shares of Zynga, right now, plunge 14 percent. Expedia shares, they're falling even more, 25 percent down after their disappointing results last night. But the reporting period overall has been going OK. Almost half of S&P; 500 companies have reported so far, and Thomson Reuters says 68 percent have topped profit forecasts, 56 percent have beat on sale. It kind of helped the market, really, churn steadily higher. But the question is, will they help economic growth, and what about the global outlook going forward? I talked with David Cote, he's the CEO of Honeywell. I talked to him yesterday. The industrial giant is erring on the side of caution when it comes to its forecasts.
[David Cote, Ceo, Honeywell:] The way we're going to look at the world economy going forward is for the next three years, the US grows at 2 percent, Europe grows at zero, India grows around 4, China grows 6 to 7. So, we're going to stay on the more conservative side.
[Kosik:] And that Honeywell outlook for the US is a bit more bearish than the Fed, which is expecting about 3.2 percent GDP growth by 2015. Now, I also asked him what the biggest hurdle is for the global recovery.
[Cote:] The biggest headwind progress as a company is just what's happening on the global economy, and the biggest impediment to the global economy is debt. You take a look at the world's big democracies Japan, the EU, India, the US they're all paralyzed by debt right now. And until they actually all four actually take the actions that they need to, which Japan is just starting to, we're going to stay like this, and we've got to address it.
[Kosik:] And Cote also said that two things that would be key for the US would be a smart debt deal and to produce more of our own oil and gas, but that those things are tough, too, because, Nina, they result in a lot of arguments among lawmakers. Nina?
[Dos Santos:] Yes, they certainly do. Alison Kosik joining us at the New York Stock Exchange. Have a great weekend, there.
[Kosik:] You, too.
[Dos Santos:] Thanks for wrapping up the earnings. Now, he promised to do whatever it takes and swore it would be enough. Mario Draghi's famous speech in London is now a year old. Next up, we look at its real effect on the eurozone crisis.

[Berman:] Tensions building in Scotland this morning and much of the United Kingdom as voters get ready for an historic vote on whether to split from the rest of the United Kingdom. Tomorrow's vote could see Scots declare independence, potentially splitting up Great Britain after 300 years. Now, some U.K. officials in Britain are pledging to give Scots new powers in an effort to sway a vote against independence. I want go to Max Foster right now who has the latest from Edinburgh. And, Max, these polls are so, so close.
[Max Foster, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, three out today, John, and they're all too close to call. And you can really tell the story here from Edinburgh, by looking at the front pages of the newspapers. So, one of the polls on "Scotsmen" saying the polls has "no" in the land. But actually the "yes" campaign is closing the gap. And "The Herald", the only newspaper in Scotland supporting the "yes" campaign, is making the point that yes the pro-independent campaign is closing the gap and has the momentum and could overtake no by tomorrow. That's the suggestion, at least. Very clear on the front of "The Daily Mail", 24 hours to save Britain or to go independent. It really is a date with destiny tomorrow. We talked a bit about how there's a lot of attention to the run-up to tomorrow's poll. You know, this has been two years of campaigning and a lot of aggression, particularly on the yes side. And a very simple message here, keep the heat and carry on. That's the Scottish play on keep calm and carry campaigning, and to keep things calm really, because it is pretty tense here at the moment.
[Berman:] Max, I think we have about a thousand questions here in the United States for you about this referendum. Can't possibly ask them all the time we have. But let me ask one that I think is surprising to many Americans. Scots want independence, they want to break away. But they want to keep the queen. They want to keep the monarchy. It seems as if they don't quite under this independence thing.
[Foster:] I think this is a huge thing for the queen. I mean, she only came close to commenting. She can't get involved in politics. You know, she has to stay above politics. That's her constitutional rule. But she did say to a churchgoer recently she really hope that Scots consider this. You can imagine there was a very big British empire. Empires come and go. And the empire's really been cut back, of course. But now, you're talking about home turf, and her home state being split. I think she's pretty concerned about this. We have to say, in all essence, we're not talking about a big change in her role in Scotland, because the yes campaign they do want to keep her as head of state. But I certainly think that she's concerned about what's happening here. A breakup of the U.K., it's a huge moment in British history.
[Berman:] It would be colossal, after more than 300 years, that vote is tomorrow. If they do vote to split, it would take 18 months to implement. Max Foster, great to have you here for us this morning. Thanks so much.
[Romans:] Big questions before the referendum of what a yes vote could mean for both economies. Harvard economist Ken Rogoff told me there are a lot of unknowns, the biggest being currency.
[Kenneth Rogoff, Professor Of Economics, Harvard University:] When you got through with this divorce, suddenly you don't have the currency. What currency do you have? That's one of the first questions people will have, it's one of the first questions investors have. You really don't have an answer. They say it's the pound. The British say it's not the pound. People say, well, maybe Scotland will join the euro. That creates a lot of problems for the rest of the eurozone. And they could have their own currency, but that's not a magic elixir when you don't have long credibility.
[Romans:] It's a really big deal. Rogoff also said a yes vote could be maybe good for Scotland in the long run, he said like in a hundred years. But it's the short term uncertainly that is so concerning about this. He said, basically, it would be a mild negative for the U.K. and very big very big negative for Scotland. He also said, look, when Americans say why does this matter to me? I've heard this, why do I care? He says, because the U.K. and U.S. have the strongest alliance in the world. And this is our best friend breaking apart. It's a very big deal.
[Berman:] It has huge implications for international relations as well. Again, what do you do to every other separatist movement in the world?
[Romans:] To say nothing of America's nuclear position in northern Europe, it's in Scotland.
[Berman:] Fascinating. It will all be decided tomorrow. Twenty-seven minutes after the hour. Could U.S. troops end up fighting on the ground against ISIS? A new warning from a top U.S. general as there is skepticism now about the president's plan to battle the terrorists. We're live next.

[Malveaux:] So Gap is actually being praised for how it responded to a racist attack. This is on one of its holiday ads. This is what the ad looked like before it was vandalized. It features a Sikh American actor wearing a turban along with a female model. Now, it was seen and Sunday it was posted in New York City subway's system. The caption reads, "Make love," followed by the Gap logo.
[Holmes:] And there's the "after" shot and you can see what the vandal did to it, the person changing the caption, "Make love," to, "Make bombs," and right under that, someone else it appears also wrote, "Please stop driving taxis." Now the senior editor at TheMuslimGuy.com posted it to his Twitter account. What happened was Gap moved really quickly, responded, thanked him for flagging it.
[Malveaux:] And then to show solidarity for diversity inclusion, the company, Gap, changed its Twitter background to the picture of the original ad. So I want to bring in Arsalan Iftikhar to talk about he's the founder of TheMuslimGuy.com. And so you post this, the vandalized version, on your Twitter account after seeing it on Facebook, and then it goes viral. Explain why this was important to you to post it in the first place.
[Arsalan Iftikhar, Founder, Themuslimguy.com:] Well, Suzanne, you know, first of all, my first job in high school was at the Gap, and so I've always been interested in their advertising campaigns. And, so, one of my Facebook friends, a photographer named Robert Gerhardt in New York City, took this photograph in the Bronx at a subway station by his house, and I saw the racist graffiti, saying, "Make bombs," you know, alluding to the Taliban, and, "Please don't drive taxis." And I thought, Well, this sucks. And so I wanted to share it with my 40,000 Facebook and Twitter followers. And Gap responded immediately, directly to me. I've been in contact with Gap corporate. And the response from them has been remarkable, especially changing their Twitter background photo to the Sikh model. And you know it, really shows they are dedicated to inclusion and diversity. And this is just a perfect example of how special media and the Internet can be used for good things, as well.
[Holmes:] I suppose like most racist acts, this was ignorant, as well, I mean, sort of trying to relate the Taliban with somebody who is a Sikh, clearly not the same. I mean, what is this was one incident, too. Don't want to make it too out of control here. But what does that indicate to you, especially in a city where I think a third of the population is from somewhere else?
[Iftikhar:] Yeah, you know, Michael, I think it's important to keep in mind that this also speaks to our traditional American notions of what is considered beautiful. You know, I want to live in an America where a brown, bearded man wearing a turban is considered as beautiful as you know, a blonde-haired white woman in lingerie might be. And so I think that this sort of goes to what we as Americans consider to be beautiful, and you know, in a multicultural, diverse country like the United States, I applaud the Gap for including more multicultural, more brown models in their advertising. I hope many more companies will take that route, as well.
[Malveaux:] And Arsalan, how have people responded to you and that fact that you've put this up on social media? Have you gotten people who are ignorant like those who put on the vandalism, the graffiti or has it been mostly positive?
[Iftikhar:] You know, Suzanne, the response has been overwhelming. To be honest, I could not even imagine this would become international news. But Gap and myself, we've received tens of thousands of messages on Twitter and Facebook, thanking us for pointing this out, showing solidarity with the Sikh model whose name is Waris Ahluwalia, who is actually an actor and a fashion designer. He's been in movies with Luke and Owen Wilson. It really has been a wonderful, wonderful outpouring of support for the Gap and for the social media campaign. And I truly hope that will whenever people see any sort of racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic statements made anywhere on social media, that they'll share it with their friends to let people know what's going on out there so that we can make America a better place for all people.
[Holmes:] Yeah, noble aims, hopefully successful, too. Want to thank you, Arsalan Iftikhar, founder of TheMuslimGuy.com.
[Iftikhar:] My pleasure. Thank you.
[Malveaux:] The governments of Iran and Turkey are calling for a cease- fire in Syria before the international peace talks begin in Geneva. That is happening next year. At issue is how to end the country's civil war which began back in March of 2011.
[Holmes:] Yeah, more than 100,000 dead people so far in that conflict, a majority of them, innocent civilians. Now, Syria's foreign ministry says it is going to send a delegation to the talks. It is still unclear which opposition groups, if any, will take part. The opposition outside the country says it will go along, but the Free Syrian Army, the guys who are doing the fighting on the ground, well, they don't support the Syrian representatives outside of the country, so they say they're not going to go. The spokesman for the FSA says that the international community has not lived up to previous promises, such as aid delivery, prisoner releases from al-Assad's jail. They don't see the point. They're not going to go. So even if some sort of by-miracle resolution happens at those Geneva II talks, the guys on the ground doing the fighting say they're not buying into this.
[Malveaux:] Not going to happen. And now to Rome, the Italian senate, it has now expelled former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi from parliament. That is effective immediately. Now, that is because of his tax fraud conviction. Berlusconi was sentenced in august to four years in prison, but his punishment was commuted to a year of community service. Well, he was banned from holding public office, as well for two years.
[Holmes:] Stunning. Many, many years that man has not been in parliament. Amanda Knox's retrial, winding down, this in Florence, Italy. She, of course, he American woman accused of killing her British roommate back in 2007, Meredith Kercher, when they were exchange students.
[Malveaux:] Prosecutors demanded a 30-year prison sentence for Knox in their closing arguments. The defense attorneys are going to sum up their case. That's going to happen in December, with a ruling that is expected in January. Now, Knox has been living in the United States since her original conviction was overturned. That was back in 2011.
[Holmes:] Her family attorney says there is a chance the Italian government could request her extradition if she is convicted this time around.
[Malveaux:] And, of course, we're keeping you posted on the weather, your Thanksgiving travel, as a nasty winter storm trying to mess things up for a lot of travelers there. Two live reports straight ahead on what you can expect if you are flying or driving.

[Christine Romans, Cnn:] Hiring slowed in August, the smallest jobs gains of the year. Is this economy cooling down, or is this part of our low and slow recovery? I'm Christine Romans. This is CNN MONEY. Your personal information under attack, a possible security breach at Home Depot, and celebrities' private moments exposed. We're going to take you to the dark corners of the Internet where all this is happening. Fast food workers walk off the job again, protests in 150 cities. Are they winning the minimum wage fight? And later, come for a ride in the most affordable Lamborghini on the market. It's still going to cost you six figures, but you'll look really good driving it. But we start with the labor market 142,000 jobs added in August. That number was below expectations which were above 200,000. The unemployment rate now 6.1 percent. That's down slightly, but this report broke that streak of big job gains. You can see the big hiring numbers earlier this year slowing in August. Our CNN MONEY panel is here, Jose Pagliery, Cristina Alesci, and Paul La Monica join me today. Paul, you call it the barbecue economy, low and slow. Is the jobs report just more evidence of that?
[Paul R. La Monica, Cnn Money Digital Correspondent:] Sadly I think that's the case, and I've been saying it since 2010 for crying out loud. We've had this subpar growth. Even above 200,000 isn't fantastic. The one thing I wouldn't be that worried about, though, is that August is historically this strange month for the jobs market. Three years ago the first report about the August 2011 number showed no, zero, no new jobs added and it eventually got revised higher. So people I spoke to said this number will be revised higher, the economy isn't that bad. So that's one thing to be a little bit
[Romans:] One month does not make a trend, but it is a pause in another trend that had been very, very good, six months in a row of 200,000 plus. You wanted to see that continue into the fall.
[Cristina Alesci, Cnn Money Business Correspondent:] Yes. And one thing that investors will potentially be paying attention to is the Fed and what it's going to, right. Kind of boring here in the U.S., but as far as the European Central Bank goes, investors are looking to see what it is going to do to help that region's struggle and economy get back. And just this week the ECB announced $1 trillion package which is being described as an aid package. But investors are still trying to figure out whether it's going to work or whether the European economy is going to need more at this point.
[Romans:] When you look at the dashboard of instruments that Janet Yellen is looking at, right, the jobs number, the 6.1 percent unemployment rate and the 142,000 net new jobs created, those are the two numbers she's really looking at. She's looking deep inside these numbers. A labor force participation rate that is way too low, back to the 1970s, an underemployment rate still in double digits, a third of the American workforce is working in freelance jobs. We still have some structural weakness here.
[Jose Pagliery, Cnn Money Staff Writer:] Let's talk about the quality of these jobs. This recovery has been a lot about the quantity and not the quality of the jobs. The jobs that we're creating are not in STEM, which is science, technology, engineering, math. These are the jobs we want. They're high-tech jobs, they pay well. Instead a lot of these jobs are being created in fast food, restaurants, bars, as well as the health care sector. It's not doctors and nurses. We're talking about home health aides.
[Romans:] But I think we're seeing that change. We're seeing it broaden out the next few months. The professional services, I loved the number.
[La Monica:] The wage growth, again, it's not gangbusters, but 2.1 percent year over year is an improvement. And it's now a slightly higher than the inflation rate. So, again, nothing to get that excited about, but nothing to be depressed about.
[Romans:] Until now a low wage recovery. We want to see it broaden out in terms of different kinds of jobs. Thanks, guys. You know, the solid middle-class jobs are coming back, but more than 40 percent of the jobs created during the recovery have been low wage. This week fast food workers walked off the job in 150 cities across the country. They want $15 an hour and they want the right to unionize. Cristina, the protests have been going on for two years. Is it making a difference?
[Alesci:] Well, that's a really difficult question to answer, but on a broad basis I think you have to make a distinction what's going on at the city and state level in Democratic areas
[Romans:] And there's a lot of movement. There's a lot of movement.
[Alesci:] There's a lot of movement there, and this specific movement on the broader scale, low-wage workers are winning some of those battles. If you look at a city like Seattle they were successful in getting that $15 minimum wage hike. So there you have progress. But when you're looking at these protesters, they want companies like McDonald's and Wendy's to pay more, and on that front, we really haven't seen that much movement. However, McDonald's is acknowledging that these kinds of protests and these kind of headlines could have an adverse impact on their business. So that is progress. Also, these protesters are making some headway in court.
[La Monica:] I think they might get some help. The National Labor Relations Board, a very important ruling, saying that McDonald's may have to treat employees of franchisees as if they with their own. And that's one thing that I think a lot of these companies in fast food have been saying, well, it's not really our problem, it's our franchisees' . They may not be able to make that claim anymore.
[Romans:] You're seeing some of the executives of these companies start to acknowledge that there is this real shift in sentiment and public opinion in America about paying somebody more than $7.25 to do these jobs. The national restaurant association, the lobbyists, they point out in 2007 when the minimum wage was raised you had hours cut back and many prices go up. So they're still fighting the same old battle here.
[Pagliery:] Let's note that these protests are unlike any in history, and here's why 20 or 30 years ago, we protest for higher wages, they get them, fine. But we're at the dawn of the age of automation. And so we have to ask ourselves, even if they get those higher wages, are they just going to get cut in 10 years by robots that bread chicken
[Romans:] In 10 years? Next year. At what price does McDonald's say we'll automate two-thirds of the kitchen. What price does that become? And that's something that all the restaurant owners are looking at.
[La Monica:] Mc-Watson.
[Romans:] There you go. There you go. I don't know if I'm blush on that yet. No more smokes this week at CVS. The pharmacy chain made good on its promise to stop selling tobacco products. The company has a new name, CVS Health. Could sugary drinks and fattening snacks be the next to go?
[Larry Merlo, President And Ceo, Cvs Health:] If you talk to a nutritionist, a dietician, they will take you that those products taken in moderation or the occasional use have not been proven to cause medical harm. The same can't be said about tobacco. There's no amount of tobacco use that can be considered safe.
[Romans:] So, Cristina, you talked to the CEO. Is this about health or is this about positioning in a more health conscious society and profits?
[Alesci:] Well, look, it was not a difficult decision for CVS to make. First off, it's a very small part of their overall business, $2 billion and $126 billion of revenue. Not that big of a deal. Low margin business. Cigarettes are a very low margin business. And not that many people are smoking, at least it's not a growth area. Bottom line, the value of this kind of PR campaign outstrips anything they could have lost in terms of profit. And, look, CVS wants to focus on the growing part of the health care sector, right? That is growing. And, do you know what, we happen to have a shortage in primary care physicians which CVS is looking to fill in their clinics in their stores.
[Romans:] So give the Nicorette gum, don't give the cigarette. Focus on the other end of the business, the growing end of the business, not the stagnant end.
[La Monica:] Yes. Even though they changed the name to CVS Health and getting rid of the Caremark name, it's Caremark that is still driving that business, more than half of their revenue coming from the pharmacy benefits company. And for a company like CVS it probably would seem odd to have signs where it's, like, go in and get your flu shot here instead of going to a doctor. And, oh, by the way, get a pack of Camels on the way out. You know, it's a little bit strange for them to probably be faced with that.
[Pagliery:] And like Christina said, this is a huge growth area. With Obamacare suddenly they are a lot more insured people, 8 million more that will be pushed into this. And so as the number of smokers is declining, the number of insured is increasing, and so they are pivoting, and they are being smart about it.
[Romans:] You look at any of the numbers, any of the forecasts, it's all wellness and health that are the big drivers for jobs and a lot of things over the next decade.
[Alesci:] They got to take the fattening stuff off the shelf.
[Romans:] All right, all right. We'll see, we'll see. Former House majority leader Eric Cantor has a new gig on Wall Street. Cantor joining boutique investment bank Moelis and Company as a vice chairman and board member. He's going to get a $400,000 base salary and millions more in cash and stock bonuses and a Manhattan apartment to live in. Jose, you've seen the Washington-Wall Street revolving door plenty of times. What does it say about Eric Cantor?
[Pagliery:] The Tea Party was right about him. That's what it's proving, right? So the big criticism was that this guy has deep connections with Wall Street and there's a revolving door between Washington, D.C., and Wall Street. Well, look at what he did. He just proved that point. And the reason he was brought on board was to exercise the relationships he has on the Hill, and he's going to do that, right? And so this really shows that the Tea Party is right about mainstream Republicans, and it doesn't help them at all.
[Alesci:] It could actually make it more difficult for Eric Cantor to come back to Washington, to your point. But I think the cooler move for a lot of former civil servants going forward is going to be breaking into Silicon Valley, right? We saw Uber, which is having some issues with regulators around the world, not just in the
[U.s. Romans:] Yes.
[Alesci:] He goes David Plouffe goes to Uber, and that is a transition I think we'll see more of for civil servants, not only because of the pay, but because of the high-profile nature of those positions.
[Romans:] I think you're absolutely right.
[La Monica:] To be honest, it's a nice consolation prize, particularly financially, but I don't think Cantor woke up the day after he lost his primary saying, yea, I'm going to Wall Street and cashing in. So long Capitol Hill.
[Romans:] The revolving door. I love the idea that Silicon Valley is the other stop in the revolving door. That's going to be interesting to watch. Thanks guys. All right, coming up, the underbelly of the Internet, criminals trading nude pics of Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton, trading them like baseball cards. But they want your data, and it is more valuable than you think. We go inside the dark web next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. Now it's time for the Sports Lead. He's won two Super Bowls and total gut check fashion. He's conquered the world of hip-hop, kind of, and sketch comedy, sort of. But there's one thing Eli Manning has not done and that's beat big brother Peyton on the pro football field. He'll get another chance to top the guy who once gave him Noogies this Sunday when the Broncos come to the meadowlands to face the Giants. And our own Rachel Nichols sat down with Eli before the big Manning bowl Rachel.
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Well, Jake, it was more than just Noogies in a story that's probably going to ring familiar if you got little brothers everywhere. When they were kids, Peyton would actually pin Eli to the floor with his knees, then beat on Eli's chest until Eli named every NFL franchise. Eli has gotten a little bit of revenge. The two played basketball, Eli has reported dunking on his big brother, but real scoreboard will always be the football field. Eli talked to me about just how special it is to continue that sibling rivalry in front of the whole world.
[Nichols:] So you're looking New Orleans, you're playing football with your big brother, Peyton in the front yard. You look up 20 years later, and you're playing against him in the NFL, the biggest stage of all. What's going g to be the most special for you?
[Eli Manning, New York Giants Quarterback:] I'm proud of Peyton. I think he's proud of me. We've worked hard to get to this point and play in the NFL. We support each other. We want each other to play well each year and I think, you know, I think seeing him before the game and shaking his hand and just talking for those few minutes are special moments. That's what you'll remember down the road. Hi. I'm Eli Manning and I'm a proud ambassador to the Little Brothers Program.
[Nichols:] You did this great "Saturday Night Live" sketch where you were part of a gang for the little brothers of the world getting revenge.
[Manning:] Now you learn to treat the younger brother with some respect, Peyton.
[Unidentified Male:] My name's not Peyton.
[Manning:] Whatever.
[Nichols:] I know it's a joke, but is there any revenge maybe you can get in this game for the beatings and teasings you got as a kid?
[Manning:] I'm not playing defense, I don't get to go hit him. I won't get a free shot at him in any way. You know, Peyton's been a great big brother. He's been very supportive. He's helped me in many ways.
[Nichols:] What's the strategy your parents use to get through the game?
[Manning:] I think it's a pretty easy strategy. I think they just root for the offense. A high-scoring game and maybe a missed extra point, loses the game, some sort of moral victory, if that really exists.
[Nichols:] Exactly. I will say, you and Peyton are going to meet on the field on Sunday, but you have already met on a very grand stage already this season, performing a rap video. Who came out on top with that one?
[Manning:] I think we both lost on that one. Hopefully, years from now, our play of playing football will be more viewed than that rap video.
[Nichols:] You know, this whole week actually, Jake, is an adjustment for the brothers. They are a close-knit family as Eli referenced. They make a point of helping each other during the season. They talked on the phone each week to share strategy. They will even watch film for each other to help catch each other's mistakes. They won't do that this week.
[Tapper:] I would think not. Rachel, multiple neck surgeries put Peyton's career in doubt a couple years ago. How likely is it that this is the last time we see the two brothers play each other on the NFL field?
[Nichols:] It probably will be. Their two divisions aren't scheduled to play again until 2017. Peyton would be 41 years old by then. There is always the possibility that they meet in the Super Bowl and certainly, with the Super Bowl in New York, there are a lot of Giants fans that would love that this upcoming year. But those odds are long and certainly, the neck surgeries, as you mentioned, Eli was in the inside of Peyton's recovery. The family kept it hush-hush, but Eli told me there were times that were really scary for the brothers. That Peyton just didn't have the zip on the ball, the velocity, and they were worried he wouldn't be able to get it back. The fact he had a successful comeback, made it back to this point, will be a special day on Sunday.
[Tapper:] I'll be watching. Rachel Nichols, thank you so much. The Buried Lead, those are the stories we think have not gotten enough attention. Though this is about an author who thought he got more than enough attention in his time. You write one classic American novel and then try to disappear forever and no one will let you hear the end of it. J.D. Salinger published "The Catcher In The Rye," a few novel and short stories and then he was about as invisible as the tooth fairy until his death in 2010. But a new book and film are putting the author back where he loathed to be in the public eye. The landscape is littered with those famous for being famous, photographed almost out of habit. So it's easy to forget about the era when well-known names could be legendarily private.
[Shane Salerno, Director, "salinger":] He turned his back on celebrity before celebrity was celebrity.
[Tapper:] But now even the secrets of J.D. Salinger, one of the most solitary figures in recent history have oddly enough been made into a feature film.
[Unidentified Male:] Salinger was a national story, a shooting star. At the height of that success, he disappears.
[Tapper:] The documentary "Salinger" was written, directed and produced by Shane Salerno, who dedicated a decade to the project.
[Salerno:] I conducted over 200 interviews personally. We were on five continents. We went through diaries, journals, government records, so this was an archeological dig. This was a detective story.
[Tapper:] For those who say "The Catcher In The Rye" author would not want to be captured this way.
[Salerno:] He maintained lifelong friendships when he wanted to. He would call the press and grant spontaneous interviews. He really was a recluse who liked to come out of hiding to remind the world that he was a recluse.
[Tapper:] Salerno wants audiences to know that beyond the rarely seen images and imagined solitude was a man full of life and stories untold.
[Salerno:] J.D. Salinger lived an extraordinary life. When I found out that J.D. Salinger landed on d-day. That J.D. Salinger fought in some of the bloodiest battles of World War II. That he was in a mental institution. That he entered a concentration camp. There were so many aspects of his life that the public didn't know that I had to make the film.
[Tapper:] And the director says without his film, Salinger's life stories may have been lost forever.
[Salerno:] There were a number of people who were never going to speak about J.D. Salinger on the record while he was alive. Many of the people that I interviewed were in their 80s and 90s. A number of people we interviewed for this film have since passed away.
[Tapper:] Among the most intriguing discoveries pertained of course to love.
[Unidentified Female:] People hurt him. People he trusted.
[Tapper:] The late author's romantic relationships were among his best and worst-kept secrets.
[Unidentified Female:] He said you have ruined my life.
[Tapper:] Salinger's affair with Danielle student, Joyce Maynard, is well known but his later loves are practically top secret.
[Salerno:] Many people didn't know she really existed for years. We found her. We found the records of how Salinger actually brought her into the United States.
[Tapper:] Including Salinger's forbidden love whom he understandably kept private.
[Salerno:] J.D. Salinger was a counterintelligence agent in World War II and in the process of being part of the de-Nazification of Germany. He met and fell in love with a Gestapo agent named Sylvia and married her, and brought her
[Tapper:] The book shot to the top of the Amazon bestseller list in recent weeks. Now is a good a time as any to read it like you were supposed to in high school. Coming up on THE LEAD, the first lady heads to Hollywood to raise some cash. Just how much will a sit-down with Michelle Obama cost you?

[Berman:] It is that time of year again. Nervous high school seniors rushing home or rushing to their computers to find the large envelopes or the large e-mail from their dream colleges, but the pressure of getting into a top ranked school and the hysteria over college admission, is it really worth it? According to "New York Times" columnist Frank Bruni, the answer is flat out no. Frank is the author of "Where You Go Is Not Who You'll Be: An Anecdote to the College Admissions Mania." He's joining us here in the NEW DAY studio. Frank, great to see you.
[Frank Bruni, Author, "where You Go Is Not Who You'll Be":] Nice to see you.
[Berman:] So this is a terrific book, first of all.
[Bruni:] Thank you.
[Berman:] It reads to me like a love letter to parents and kids who are getting those admissions decisions this week, essentially telling them, it's all going to be OK.
[Bruni:] Yes, it's essentially telling them this is one juncture in a long life. And we are sending kids and parents the message that these few days in late March, early April, is going to set the whole trajectory of a life. And it's not true. College certain colleges can be great advantages, but it's not make or break. It's not be all and end all. Much more important is for us to talk about how you're going to use your college years wherever you are.
[Berman:] And there's suggestions in this book that it's doing a great disservice to these kids and our society in general.
[Bruni:] Yes. I think it's doing an enormous disservice. First of all, we're a status conscious society as it is. We don't need to turn higher education into that. Also, if you go to school thinking that it's all about where you got in, if you go to one of the most selective schools and you think once you've walked in the door your work is done, that's a problem because you're supposed to really be learning and growing and cultivating yourself during those years, not just wearing a sweatshirt that you're proud of.
[Berman:] Throw up the admissions statistics here for a second because in some cases it's like way harder to get into the top schools than it was
[Bruni:] Yes, like negative we're almost in negative integers now, yes.
[Berman:] Yes, basically. It's like 5 percent getting into Harvard, Stanford and Yale, which is -which is about half of what it was just 10 years ago. You have a quote here from a university official talking about the "U.S. News and World Report" colleges rankings.
[Bruni:] Yes.
[Berman:] And those are three of the top schools in there.
[Bruni:] Yes.
[Berman:] It says, "'U.S. News and World Report'will go down as one of the most destructive things that ever happened to higher education." And, of course, they rank the top schools in the country. I'm wondering, is it "U.S. News" who's the big villain here? Is it the colleges who's the villain here? Is it parents or is it the kids themselves?
[Bruni:] It's all of us working together in a sort of vicious cycle. But "U.S. News" is a problem because it sends the it sends the notion that you can actually measure a college's worth and that there are colleges that are objectively better than others, when really there are colleges that are right for you and colleges that are less right for you. But, yes, we all buy into it. We outsource our judgment to "U.S. News," to other magazines that do these rankings and you shouldn't do that.
[Berman:] Now, I went to Harvard. It's not like I have a big "h" tattoo, I'm proud of the fact that I went there. There is suggestion in your book occasionally that sometimes that going to Harvard or Yale, if you have the chance to do that, that it's not always the best choice for you.
[Bruni:] Well, for some kids it isn't because they the amount of competition, the amount of elbowing for prominence there, it doesn't really kind of allow them to flourish. Some kids rest on their laurels, so to speak. But you mentioned you went to Harvard. I've known you for more than a decade right now, you know, and I know that you're sitting in this chair and you're at this network because you have worked your tail off and because you're just a transcendently competent guy and I'm not just complementing you. You went going to Harvard was a reflection of your talents. Going to Harvard did not put you in that chair right now. You put yourself in that chair.
[Berman:] How do you get through to kids? You taught at Princeton.
[Bruni:] I did. Yes.
[Berman:] And clearly the kids that you were talking to are not getting this message.
[Bruni:] Which kids, the ones at Princeton? Yes. Well, I mean, I had some wonderful students at Princeton, and I also had some students who I worried, felt their work was done the day they got in the door. We just need to change the conversation in general. We need not to be pumping kids and parents full of unnecessary anxiety, telling them that this is the make or break moment when it's just one moment in a long life. And we have to be talking to kids about using college in the right way.
[Berman:] Can I ask you one question about fraternities, because they've been in the news?
[Bruni:] Yes. Yes, very much in the news. This week, obviously, we saw what happened at the University of Oklahoma, we saw what happened at Penn State right now. You've got a lot to say about what's wrong with the college system, the university system in general. You've also got some issues with the Greek system. My issues with the Greek system is a kind of larger issue with campus life, which is, I don't think we should be self-segregating ourselves into communities where everyone thinks like you do. I don't think I think we should be using colleges to prepare people for a diverse world and not to give them enclaves in which to retreat where they're just among their own kind, all male, all white, whatever.
[Berman:] And you think people retreat into those corners there and it just magnifies whatever image they have of themselves already?
[Bruni:] Right. Well, I mean, there's a tribal human instinct. We tend to go into tribes when allowed to. But the future of America is about managing a diverse country and being fluent in diversity and I wish colleges would get on board with that.
[Berman:] You know, in your book you have a lot of great stories about a lot of successful people. The top people in our country who didn't go to the big schools.
[Bruni:] Right.
[Berman:] If you had to say one thing to kids right now who are in the midst of this all, what would it be?
[Bruni:] Pause before you begin college wherever you're beginning college. Survey that landscape and say, how am I going to till this particular landscape for everything it's worth.
[Berman:] Frank Bruni, University of North Carolina.
[Bruni:] Chapel Hill.
[Berman:] Who beat Harvard last night, by the way, in basketball.
[Bruni:] Oh, we did? OK.
[Berman:] So, congratulations for that.
[Bruni:] Thank you.
[Berman:] Great to have you here with us on NEW DAY. Appreciate it.
[Bruni:] Nice to be here.
[Berman:] Alisyn.
[Camerota:] OK, John, here's another interesting story about school. There are eight states in the U.S. without a policy requiring schools to test children's eyesight. Left undetected, many common eye problems can lead to blindness. This week's CNN Hero is fighting to make sure children see clearly.
[Unidentified Female:] All right! Chelsea. I was a very active child. I was barely four when I lost my vision in my left eye. The following years, I was so angry. This was an irreversible change. Twenty-five percent of children ages five to 17 have a vision problem. How can you fully embrace all the opportunities available if you can't see them? OK, keep looking right at the light for me. Our program provides free vision screenings to all school-aged children in Maui County. All done. Thank you. We actually use advanced technology which allows us to test in seconds. Had this device been around when I was four years old, it could have saved my vision. The castle was sparkling clean. My daughter loves books. So when I got a letter, we were caught off guard. Hi. Riley, she came from a Riley's only four years old and because they caught it early we can help her. Just seeing her even today with glasses knowing that her vision is going to be completely fine because we caught it, that's what we do.
[Camerota:] What a great story. You can go to cnnheroes.com to nominate someone who is making a difference.
[Berman:] So we're tackling a controversial question this morning, did Jesus have a brother? Evidence that may give you pause in our series "Finding Jesus." That's next.
[Camerota:] CNN's new series, "Finding Jesus," takes a closer look at what could be the only physical evidence that Jesus Christ existed. And it tries to answer a controversial question, did Jesus have any brothers and sisters? Take a look.
[Unidentified Male:] It's claimed that this box measuring 10 inches by 20 is no less than the burial casket of James, the brother of Jesus Christ.
[Camerota:] Here to shed light on that discovery is CNN religious commentator, Father Edward Beck. Father, great to see you.
[Father Edward Beck, Host, "the Sunday Mass":] Nice to see you. Thank you.
[Camerota:] Did Jesus have a brother?
[Beck:] It's quite possible that he did, we just don't know what kind of brother. In the Catholic tradition, it's believed that Mary was a perpetual virgin, but did Joseph have children before he got together with Mary? It's possible. He was older. Maybe they were half siblings. We don't know really from the texts.
[Camerota:] And also, is it possible that they were using brother not literally, but is there some word that means relatives or cousins?
[Beck:] I don't want to get too technical, but in the New Testament, the Greek word is Adelphus. Now Adelphus can mean blood brother or it can mean kinfolk or it can mean cousin. So, you see, when they talk about Jesus' brothers and sisters, it may not be blood brother in the way we think about it.
[Camerota:] But if it is a blood brother in the way we think about it, does that change everything?
[Beck:] It doesn't change everything in that a lot of Protestant denominations believe that Mary could have had other children after Jesus. They say she was a virgin up to the birth after Jesus, but after that, why not have a normal relationship with Joseph? So others believe that he possibly did have blood brothers and sisters.
[Camerota:] What do you believe?
[Beck:] You really want to put me on the spot, don't you?
[Camerota:] Only because I'm fascinated by this.
[Beck:] I think it's quite possible. I do believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary because that's why my church teaches. But it doesn't bother me to think that he may have had actual blood siblings. It seems to me it makes him more normal and the family more normal. But I also think that in the early church, virginity was extolled, and so you want the Mother of God to be perpetually virgin, the whole sex stuff was suspect. So I think, in some ways, that played into keeping Mary pure.
[Camerota:] That makes perfect sense. Mary is on a pedestal. The Catholicism wants to believe that she is unsullied. She will always be on that pedestal. It does strain credulity that in that day and age that he wouldn't have any siblings and that Mary would be a so- called, as you say, perpetual virgin.
[Beck:] Except that this is the Son of God, which is what we believe. Why wouldn't it be a little different for the Son of God? And why wouldn't Joseph have respected that and be stepfather of this child? But that's it. I will take care of them, but there will not be any carnal relationship. It's quite possible.
[Camerota:] So let's talk about the if there is sort of historical evidence of Jesus' existence. That is a burial box that we just saw that inscription on and it says James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.
[Beck:] Right. Now here's the thing. There were other Jameses, Josephs, and Jesuses, so it may not be necessarily this family. Also, there's some debate about the inscription, that perhaps the last part, brother of Jesus, was a later edition. So some experts have tested it and said, you know what, this doesn't look like the same kind of printing as the first part. So is it a forgery? If you watch the special, and it's a fascinating special, you should watch it on Sunday, they raise this whole issue that maybe this is a forgery or maybe it's not. You don't get a complete answer.
[Camerota:] Let's talk about that other historical evidence. Is there I mean, to your mind, is there concrete tangible physical evidence of Jesus' existence?
[Beck:] Physical evidence of Jesus' existence, I would say no. There's certainly historical evidence of Jesus' existence. We have Josephus, a famous historian in Rome, writing about Jesus and the crucifixion. So it's certainly in the historical panels. Physical evidence, no. I mean, the first of this series was about the Shroud of Turin.
[Camerota:] I remember.
[Beck:] And some believe that that is physical evidence.
[Camerota:] I remember. But that, too, is in doubt. So much of this, it's hard to sort of bust myths when there's so much question about the authenticity of these things that do seem tangible.
[Beck:] But the Shroud is in doubt because they never tested the part where the image is. That piece of the cloth may date back to Jesus. The out of periphery, perhaps not. So of course, we have the questions, once again, maybe, maybe not.
[Camerota:] It is still so
[Beck:] Sorry I can't be more concise and clear.
[Camerota:] When you come back I want a definite answer.
[Beck:] I'll do my best.
[Camerota:] That's so great. Father Beck, great to see you. Thanks so much for coming on
[New Day -- Beck:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] to talk about all these really intriguing topics. You can watch "Finding Jesus" this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. only on CNN. Michaela?
[Pereira:] One thing that we know that is clear is kindness is infectious. We're going to introduce you to an incredible 8-year-old girl going through a painful loss. Yet, she still finds a way to fills the hearts of strangers. That, my friends, is the Good Stuff.

[Blitzer:] So after 52 days, searchers looking for flight 370 say it's time to regroup. The search area will be expanded once again. It will be massive, 350 times the search that was just completed. It covered an area roughly the size the state of Indiana. The aerial part of the investigation for all practical purposes is now being called off. Private contractors are being brought in to help. Officials say new technology also will be deployed but it could still take months to complete. Australia's prime minister, Tony Abbott, was emphatic they were not giving up on finding the plane.
[Tony Abbott, Australia Prime Minister:] I want the families to know, I want the world to know, that Australia will not shirk its responsibilities in this area. We will do everything we humanly can, everything we reasonably can, to solve this mystery. We will not let people down.
[Blitzer:] Let's bring in our panel of experts. Peter Goelz is a CNN aviation analyst, former NTSB managing director; our law enforcement analyst, Tom Fuentes is here, former assistant director of the FBI. I guess, Peter, it looks to me like they're almost starting from scratch.
[Peter Goelz, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] They certainly have expanded it far beyond what I had imagined. I thought they would start the search around the four pings and check each one of the remaining three pings as carefully as they checked the first one. But apparently they are. They're going back to scratch. And a size the state of Indiana, awfully big.
[Blitzer:] What does that say to you, that it's not just another ten square miles or whatever that they're going to search but they're going to search an area the size of the state of Indiana, which is a pretty big state?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Well, it still says they have confidence in the Inmarsat data. If they were starting from scratch, they'd be back in the South China Sea
[Blitzer:] The problem though is they don't have confidence in the pings they may have heard.
[Fuentes:] Well, less confidence because it wasn't exactly the frequency they were looking for. Certainly, they're still looking in that part of the Indian Ocean. They're not looking in the Himalayas or near Vietnam or China. They still appear to have a great deal of confidence in the Inmarsat data that put that plane on that arc west of Australia.
[Blitzer:] When I heard they were going to look at the bottom of the Indian Ocean in an area the size of Indiana, my immediate reaction was they no longer have confidence in the pings, the pings that were detected, four sets of pings. Because each one of those pings that a distribution area may be two miles or three miles. It says to me maybe they're re-assessing what they heard.
[Goelz:] I agree with you, Wolf. I think this means that for whatever reason, the pings are not the top priority, but they're going to go back in. I assume they're going to be bringing in an array of equipment that will expand the bottom search dramatically.
[Blitzer:] When they say they're going to bring in private contractors to undertake this underwater search, I guess navy personnel, military personnel, they're not going to be used. What does that say to you?
[Fuentes:] I think they are going to be used but I think private companies own the equipment and are under contract to the navy and to the Australia authorities. I don't think that's anything we wouldn't have expected to see private companies supplying equipment, who are under contract to the U.S. military and other authorities.
[Blitzer:] Are they just right now hoping they have a Hail Mary and they're going to find something, is that what they're about to do?
[Goelz:] No, I think they still as Tom mentioned, they trust the Inmarsat data. They just got the look over the entire arc and they're starting.
[Blitzer:] Is there anything else, Peter, they need down here if they're going in this whole area? The underwater search, that goes very, very slowly. Think about somebody walking along all of the state of Indiana, how long that could take.
[Goelz:] When they finally found Air France 447, they had three Rima 6,000s plus a towed array, so they need to bring in some more equipment quickly.
[Blitzer:] The Air France search, which went on for two years, after five days, they did find wreckage. So they at least now where approximately the plane had gone into the Atlanta ocean. This was a two-year span, but the actual search time was only, what, 14 or 15 weeks during the course of those two years.
[Fuentes:] Right. And here you have everybody in a big hurry to give up. Almost the third day the Bluefin was in the water, people were complaining, it didn't find it, let's quick. So I think the lack of patience is astounding when experts from the very beginning, like Peter, said this could take months, this could take years. Everybody wanted an answer the first week of the search.
[Blitzer:] A lot of people are saying maybe they'll never find it too. That's obviously a possibility out there. But it's going to take a long, long time. Guys, thanks very much for joining us. Up next, more fallout from the racist comments attributed to an owner of an NBA team, the Los Angeles Clippers. We're going to hear what President Obama has to say about it.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Here we go. Top of the hour. Thank you so much for being with me on this Thursday. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Busy, busy news day here as we're following two major stories this afternoon. First, right here in New York City, look at these pictures. Incredible amounts of smoke. A deadly scene there in Harlem as fire crews, New York Police Department's bomb squad have been working this five-alarm fire after an explosion and two buildings, not just one, two here collapsed in east Harlem. The latest numbers we have here, two dead, 24 others hurt. We have heard from New York's mayor, Bill de Blasio, speaking to reporters just a little while ago saying several people are also missing, but he will not, of course, speculate on that possible number. The blast happened right around 9:30 this morning. The local utility company says it was called out to the location for a possible gas leak, but the explosion happened before its trucks arrived.
[Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Baldwin:] Let's get straight to our breaking news though. A new development in the other story we're following for you, that we have been following for days now. The latest in that search for that missing 777, that Malaysian airliner. Sadly it appears Malaysian officials still do not know where this plane was flying when it vanished with 239 people on board. And with each and every clue comes more confusion. Here's what we've just learned. Malaysian police are now questioning the friend, this man who hosted these two Iranian nationals in Kuala Lumpur, the Iranian nationals who had those stolen passports who boarded this jet. So we have more on that angle in just a second as we're just learning that. But we're also hearing this report that the last words heard from the crew of the plane were "all right, good night." That's according to "The Straight Times" newspaper. "All right, good night" from the crew. After spending five days searching the area beneath the intended path of this Beijing bound flight, Malaysia's military now says it may have radically changed course, popping up as a blip on radar more than an hour later and hundreds of miles away. A dramatic change in course over the Malacca Straits. Also, that means, the search area has suddenly doubled in size today. It's a development so baffling that Vietnam I mean just look at this map. So you have Vietnam here scaling back search efforts until Malaysia gets its act together. Twelve or so nations working on this. Reporters aren't getting clear answers either, by the way.
[Unidentified Male:] You're getting increasing criticism now. You're searching east. You're searching west. You don't seem to know what you've seen on radar and it's taking you until now, five days later,
[Hishammuddin Bin Hussein, Malaysian Defense Minister:] I think that's not true.
[Unidentified Male:] Well, can I ask you
[Hussein:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] This is utter confusion now.
[Hussein:] I don't think so. I think it's far from it. It's only confusion if you want it to be seem to be confusion. We have made it we have made it very clear and we've been very consistent in our
[Unidentified Male:] But you answered you do not believe
[Hussein:] Yes, in these two areas.
[Baldwin:] So exactly how desperate has the situation become? A shaman, a witch doctor if you will, says a Malaysian leader enlisted this spiritual ceremony to uncover any clues. This is this is how desperate they are and he came up with nothing. On top of that, CNN has also learned that the home of the pilot is being searched by authorities here. Let me bring in CNN International's Andrew Stevens, who's watching this story for us there in Kuala Lumpur. And, Andrew, let's begin with the new nuggets that we've just broke here, the fact that this friend who hosted these two Iranian nationals is being questioned by police. Tell me what you know about that.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn International:] Yes, he's being picked up by police, Brooke, and as we speak he we understand that he's actually being interviewed at the central police station here in Kuala Lumpur. CNN spoke to him we just spoke to him just in the last few minutes. He said he's safe and he's well and he's expecting to be there for another couple of hours. Now, he was the friend of the two Iranians, the 18-year-old and the 29-year-old, who used the stolen passports to get on board that doomed flight. The theory on their use of these stolen passports has less to do with anything related to terrorism and more to do with the fact that it was people smuggling. The one of the Iranians, the young Iranian boy, was his final destination was actually Frankfurt, where his mother was waiting to meet him at the airport. And the other Iranian was going to Copenhagen. But certainly the police now questioning their friends here in Kuala Lumpur as to exactly what his connections were and what he knew about these two. I mean the police are talking to a lot of people. They also have been to the home of the pilot, the 53-year-old pilot. A very experienced pilot. He was also something of an aviation geek, Brooke, and he had his own simulator in his house. So police have been there and they've looked at the data on that simulator. No word yet on what they found.
[Baldwin:] OK, I was curious as far as what police could be looking for at his home. So you have those two things happening. In the meantime, I just go back to these families. I mean you had 239 people on board this 777 jet and with all these conflicting reports and Malaysian Airlines, you know, backing off one thing for another report, how are families handling this?
[Stevens:] Well, you can only imagine just how difficult it must be for these families. We are going into our sixth day now. In fact, it's just turned day six in the hunt. We're still several hour away from daylight here. And still, we don't have anything concrete. But what I can say about the search, Brooke, is that the Malaysian authorities did confirm today something that we got unofficially yesterday, the fact that this there is a path, a flight path, which has been reflected on a radar map, which shows a plane, an unidentified plane, flying back over Malaysia into the Straits of Malacca. Now, why this is linked to the to Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 is that the radar signal was picked up just after the plane lost contact. And it was on the same flight path and then it did a big deviation and went back across Malaysia into the Straits of Malacca. That is why that search in the western part of Malaysia is getting so much bigger now. The question is, how high was that plane flying when it was last reported to be about 200 miles northwest of the coast? It was high. It could have been flying it could have been flying for another couple of hours. It could be way out into Indian territorial waters. So, what this means is, those families who are sitting there, waiting hour by hour to get some information, could be facing days even weeks before they get some sort of understanding of where that plane went down.
[Baldwin:] Hearts and thoughts go out to them as they sit and wait and wait. Andrew Stevens, thank you, in Kuala Lumpur. I want to focus now really on this search, as Andrew mentioned, that's now suddenly doubled in size. The search area to this flight. The area they're searching now covers some 27,000 square miles. Authorities clearly don't know exactly where to focus the search for the missing airliner. So let's bring in a pilot, a former international captain of Northwest Airlines, David Funk. David, welcome.
[David Funk, Pilot & Fmr. International Captain, Northwest Airlines:] Thank you, Brooke. Good to be with you.
[Baldwin:] So, let's begin with the what we know and what we don't know. What we don't know, debris. There was a clear lack of debris in the water.
[Funk:] Absolutely.
[Baldwin:] You know, no pieces of the plane, no cushions, no nothing. What might that mean?
[Funk:] Well, that means one of two things. Either, a, we're not looking in the right place, or, b, the airplane touched down, not unlike Captain Sullenberger did on the miracle on the Hudson, where the airplane touched the water or maybe it's on land somewhere. But if it did ditch, it touched down in a controlled state. Hopefully that that was the case and the folks got off with the rafts. But I would be inclined to believe that if they touched down in a controlled state, somebody would have grabbed the emergency locator transmitters, which have to be manually activated on that airplane. They'll actually go on if you just throw them in the water on their own. They're water- activated. However, that hasn't happened. So I'm inclined to think that's not the case. There's a lot of triple canopy jungle in that part of the world down south of Thailand, across Malaysia.
[Baldwin:] I wanted to ask you on that. We keep focusing so much on the water.
[Funk:] Yes, so if it's on the ground somewhere
[Baldwin:] We keep focusing so much on the water
[Funk:] Right, we
[Baldwin:] But there is heavily forested area in that part of the world. It's possible it could be on the land and no one would see it, right?
[Funk:] That's correct, if you're not looking there. Now, it would be not impossible but difficult to look at our satellite data from that part of the world and see, can we see any recent flame or explosions, a new gash on the ground. But that takes time to go through and sort that data. Like you said, 27,000 square miles of ocean, plus all the land mass that that airplane potentially flew over. The fact that they made a turn back towards land makes me think one of two things, either it was some catastrophe in the cockpit that was caused by a breach of the flight deck and the crew being forced, or did they have such a mechanical problem that they had to concentrate on flying the airplane, who know what that could have been with multiple electrical systems, very unusual to lose every ability to communicate. In your comment earlier about what the pilot the last words heard from them. That's believe it or not, kind of a routine see you later.
[Baldwin:] I wanted yes, "all right, good night."
[Funk:] Nice to talk to you.
[Baldwin:] It is?
[Funk:] Exactly, "all right, good night." We're going to talk to the next controller or catch you next time, have a good day. I mean if you listen on the scanners around any major United States airport, you'll hear a lot of the same types of responses. That is a very common phrase heard in
[Baldwin:] Not alarming.
[Funk:] In the Southeast Asian area. Not alarming at all to me.
[Baldwin:] Glad you pointed that out. That was exactly where I was going next. David Funk, thank you so much. Always great to talk to someone who's been in the cockpit and knows how this works.
[Funk:] You bet.
[Baldwin:] We're going to have much more on the search for the plane, of course, throughout the hour. And the question, how the heck does a jumbo jet disappear for five now we're getting into the sixth day, especially with this kind of technology. This is a 777. This is a sophisticated aircraft here. We'll talk to Richard Quest. He'll show us how easy it may be for a plane to vanish. Plus, the Malaysian government announcing today this new search area. So we'll talk to Tom Foreman, who has a closer look at this new location and why it may actually be key in finding this missing plane. We are also watching this developing situation in New York City very closely this afternoon. This building just explodes this morning, comes crashing down. It's actually two buildings. Two dead, more than a dozen injured. And next we will go to the scene. We will talk to a woman who was trapped in her bathroom after the blast. Hear how a neighbor got her out.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn:] Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer. It's 1:00 p.m. here in Washington, 6:00 p.m. in Barcelona, 6:00 p.m. at Dusseldorf and 7:00 p.m. in Jerusalem. Wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us.
[Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] And let's begin with the breaking news. We're getting new details about the crash of a Germanwings passenger plane in southeastern France. An official in the area where the plane went down says it was obliterated and describes a horrific crash scene. And according to Reuters, a French official says a black box from the plane has been recovered. The airline says there were 150 people onboard the plane, 144 passengers and six crew members. The French president, Francois Hollande, says it's unlikely anyone survived. There are 350 firefighters, more than 300 police taking part in the operation of the crash zone right now. But the terrain and the weather are making it extremely difficult. A mountain guide says helicopters are the only way to get there, at least right now. A French aviation official says it was air traffic control, yes, air traffic control, not the plane, that initiated the distress call after controllers lost radio contact. According to an online flight tracker, the plane dropped from 38,000 feet to 24,000 feet in just six minutes. But the CEO of the airline says the plane went into a steep descent for about eight minutes. The airline says this is a sad, tragic day for Germanwings, and Lufthansa, the parent company. Let's get the latest on the crash from our Correspondent our Senior International Correspondent Jim Bittermann who's joining us right now. Jim, you have new details about the crash site. What can you tell us?
[Jim Bitterman, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, for one thing, the interior minister has now confirmed that information about the black box. One of the two black boxes has been recovered. And it's not it's not clear what's happened to the other one. But when you see the still photos that we've been seeing in the last hour or so of this crash site, you can understand why it might take them some time to find it. Basically, this is a crash site where debris is scattered over about a five-acre area. And the area is full of ravines and very steep crevasses. Helicopters are the only way in there directly but then the helicopters can't land. They have to lower the investigators and rescuers and whatnot by rope. So, it's a very difficult area. The closest road comes to a halt about a 45-minute hike from this scene. And for the still photos we've seen, the debris is down to bits and pieces. One witness described one the largest debris piece as being no bigger than the size of a small car. And from one of the photos we can see a section of maybe three or four passenger windows, sections of the fuselage but no bigger than that. So, it looks as if the plane hit the peak and then disintegrated in the fall down the various ravines in the area. So, it's a horrendous scene. And the remains of the victims of course scattered over hundreds of yards. They're going to have to be very carefully searching for those victims over what probably will be the next few days. It will take some time for all this to take place. And as you mentioned, the weather is getting worse down there. There's a front moving through. They're expecting snow there tonight and snow tomorrow. So, it could be a really complicated mission, indeed, for the people that are involved in the investigation Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And, very quickly, Jim, when you said they found one of the black boxes, there are usually two on board, as we know, a cockpit voice recorder, a flight data recorder. Do you know which one they found?
[Bitterman:] No, no word of which one they found. They're probably looking for the other one at the even at this hour. It's starting to get dark down there so they've probably got a very limited window. But I'm sure that they'll try to get both recovered as soon as possible.
[Blitzer:] I'm sure they are, that's a high priority right now. Thanks very much for that. Jim Bittermann, we'll get back to you. Just a little while ago, we learned that President Obama has been briefed about the crash of the German airliner. The White House issued this statement. I'll read it to you. U.S. officials have been in touch with French, German and Spanish authorities and have offered assistance. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and loves ones. We refer you to French authorities for an update on the investigation. There is no indication of a nexus to terrorism, at this time. That statement from the White House. The Germanwings plane was in the air for about an hour or so before it lost contact with controllers and crashed. Now, it's up to the investigators to try to figure out what went wrong. Let's bring in our Aviation Analyst Mary Schiavo. She's a former inspector general at the Department of Transportation here in Washington. And Les Abend is joining us, our CNN Aviation Analyst. He's a triple seven captain. Mary, the air traffic controllers, they were the ones who sent out that distress signal, not from the cockpit, not from the plane. What does that suggest?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] To me, I think that's a really important clue because the plane was descending and you just don't descend. As a pilot, you have to request the descent. You have to request to change altitudes. And since they we know they didn't do that, because air traffic control did not know and had not communicated with them. If they were talking to air traffic control, they could have told them about any problem they had on board. So, whatever caused this, caused the pilots to be unable to communicate or have no time to communicate. I suspect that, as time goes on, we'll find they were they were not able to communicate for one of many reasons. It could be equipment. It could be that they were incapacitated, et cetera. But I think they would have tried to communicate that they were descending in a mountainous region.
[Blitzer:] Unless the online flight tracker says the plane dropped, and we've been reporting this, from 38,000 to 24,000 feet in six minutes. The airline CEO says there was this steep descent that lasted about eight minutes. Explain what possibly could have happened as this plane begins this is descent in only a few minutes.
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, you know, Wolf, I'd like to stay away from the terminology, drop, if possible, because it seemed to me I believe it was a six-minute period and correct me if I'm wrong. But, you know, that's about a 2,500 feet a minute rate of descent. And that's not a terrible lot. We do that just before we start to rival out of cruise altitude, if we have a crossing restriction. So, to me, it sounds like that's a controlled decent situation. But it was definitely an expedited situation, I think, that they realized they had some sort of problem. You know, to Mary's point, mechanical problem, something that consumed them enough that they were taken away from the aspect of communication. Why that happened, I don't know. That is a little disturbing to me from the standpoint of, did their communication equipment break down for the reason that they were starting the descent? In other words, was there a possible fire situation in their electronics bay? These are things to consider. But, once again, this is all speculation, at this point in time.
[Blitzer:] But, Les, they under normal circumstances, the pilot or the co-pilot would ask for permission to start a descent like that.
[Abend:] Absolutely. But if it was a if it was a dire situation, whatever they had enunciated on their on their on their panels, they may not have had time to get it out or it was attempted and they weren't able to communicate because of the situation itself. Absolutely that is a great radar environment there. They have all the sophistication that we have here in the states. I've flown out of Barcelona. You're always in radar contact for the most part. And there should have been some ability to communicate with somebody on the ground.
[Blitzer:] All right. Les Abend, Mary Schiavo, I want you guys to stand by. We have much more coming up on the breaking news. We'll take a quick break. When we come back, it's very mountainous, this area. It's snow covered. It's extremely dangerous. That's what emergency crews now face as they make their way to the crash site. And later, Israel is accused of spying on those U.S.-Iranian nuclear talks. We're going to tell you what the Israeli response is, the allegations. We'll have a joint interview with the chairman of the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] happening now, U.S. investigators on the ground in Nigeria. They are searching for hundreds of young girls kidnapped by terrorists. This morning, new fears it may already be too late. We are live with the very latest.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] And, was it a White House cover-up or is it a right-wing conspiracy theory? A new investigation launched into the 2012 terror attack in Benghazi that killed four Americans. Will Congress prove that the Obama administration lied or will Democrats prove that the Republicans are just playing politics? There's a lot going on and a big decision today. We'll tell you what's happening.
[Romans:] And an agonizing wait for Johnny Football. The Heisman Trophy winner snubbed by team after team in the NFL draft. Where did he finally land? We will tell you. Good morning. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[Berman:] And I'm John Berman. What day is it?
[Romans:] Friday!
[Berman:] It's Friday, May 9th, it's 5:00 a.m. in the East. And we do begin this morning with this new political divide in Washington. It is about Benghazi and the new select committee now officially authorized by the House of Representatives. Democrats today, they have a big decision to make. They will decide if they're going to take part in the work of this committee at all, which was just authorized to look into the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi. That attack left the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other U.S. employees dead. Republicans allege a major cover-up that the White House has been hiding evidence and coaching major players, including former U.N. ambassador, now national security adviser Susan Rice, coaching them really to mislead the American people, even lie about what happened. House Speaker John Boehner has offered Democrats five spots on this committee. The Republicans will have seven spots, something he says is fair, given what former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did when she was in charge.
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] This is a serious investigation. We wanted to work together to get to the truth. I think the 7-5 split is eminently fair, frankly, fairer than her global warming committee that she set up.
[Rep. Susan Davis , California:] Instead of debating the minimum wage, we're getting maximum partisanship. Instead of creating a select committee on job creation, we're voting to create a select committee on Benghazi, shamefully playing politics with a terrible tragedy.
[Berman:] Now, there had been talk that the Democrats would simply boycott this select committee. Now, however, several prominent Democrats are saying they think they should be included, they should put some people on this committee, just, if nothing else, to get on the record with their opposition to what's happening there. House Speaker John Boehner expected to name his choices for the committee today. And again, Democrats make the decision about whether to join at all today.
[Romans:] And now to the new developments in a shocking CNN investigation into the Veterans Administration. The V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki has now ordered a face-to-face audit at all V.A. clinics after accusations first reported on CNN that some veterans died while waiting for care at V.A. facilities, because it's alleged those hospitals kept some patients waiting months, months without seeing doctors. Now, investigators are poring over the books at the San Antonio V.A. hospital after a clerk came forward with his own allegations, telling CNN's Drew Griffin that he was told to change records to make it look like patients weren't waiting longer than 14 days. Listen.
[Brian Turner, V.a. Clerk:] What we've been instructed was that they're not saying fudge, there's no secret wait list, but what they've done is come out and just say zero out that date. There's been a report the following day if someone has a wait period that's longer than 14 days. The standard is the one to 14 days between the timeline of a desired date.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Correspondent:] Irregardless of when the appointment
[Turner:] It doesn't matter when.
[Griffin:] took place.
[Romans:] A House panel has now subpoenaed the V.A. secretary to see his e-mails and what he knew about these alleged scheduling delays. Eric Shinseki insists he will not resign and the White House says the president has complete confidence in him.
[Berman:] The other major story we're following this morning in Nigeria, where today more U.S. personnel are expected to join the efforts to find hundreds of girls kidnapped by the terror group Boko Haram. There are already dozens of U.S. experts and advisers on the ground, part of an interagency team trying to help the Nigerian government track these girls down. But the Pentagon now says it thinks that the girls have been split up into smaller groups, and there are growing worries they may have already been moved into neighboring countries. Vladimir Duthiers is live in Abuja with the very latest. And, Vlad, if they have been split up, if they have been moved, it will make them much, much harder to find.
[Vladimir Duthiers, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, John. For the parents in Chibok, this is their worst nightmare. In fact, they have said all along that they believe that this was going to happen. They believe that their children, their girls would be taken out of Nigeria into neighboring Cameroon, Chad and Niger, very porous border between those countries, very little security. Boko Haram operates freely along that border. In fact, the Sambisa Forest, where it is believed they initially took the girls, is a Boko Haram stronghold. So, real fear for the parents that they may never see these children again as they've been split up across three different countries, John.
[Berman:] Nevertheless, give me a sense of the current U.S. involvement in this effort, Vlad.
[Duthiers:] What we know, John, is that another seven U.S. military personnel are set to arrive either today or in the next couple days, joining a team of 11 that's already on the ground. Eventually, with the experts, advisers that will be coming in, we're looking at a team of about 50 or 60. We're not talking combat troops, just in an advisory role to provide logistical support, intelligence, mapping technologies. And they're going to need it because this is an area where the Nigerian military has not been very active. As I said, this is a Boko Haram stronghold. And every time they try to approach that forest, we're told that they get pushed back, because you're talking about trying to mount an offensive operation, search-and-rescue operation, on a heavily fortified defensive position. It's known that Boko Haram uses rocket-propelled grenade launchers, armored personnel carriers, so it's going to be very difficult. But the U.S. is there to provide that help and hopefully, it will lead to some kind of positive resolution there, John.
[Berman:] Vlad, we're finally now hearing a lot about this story in the United States and around the world. There's a lot of focus on #bringourgirlsback. Give me a sense of how dominant the story is inside Nigeria right now.
[Duthiers:] Well, it's become the dominant story, and I think that is a credit to the people on social media who got this #bringbackourgirls going. And I think what's really interesting, John, here on the ground, is that for the very first time, although the press has been very present reporting the long line of atrocities committed by Boko Haram since 2009, this is the first time that the international community has said, hey, wait a second, what is going on in Nigeria? Fifteen hundred people killed in the first three months of the year, girls that have been abducted before this particular incident, and we're just learning about this now? That's primarily because the Nigerian government tends to keep a tight lid as to what exactly is happening in northeastern Nigeria and what they're doing. So, now I think you're going to start seeing the fact that they're admitting that they need help and that they don't know where these girls are is a very positive sign and a credit to the social media campaign.
[Berman:] It's also credit to work like yours, reporting on this tragedy inside Nigeria, and we do appreciate you being there, Vlad.
[Romans:] All right, today much of Ukraine is on edge as it pauses to mark a major holiday. Victory Day celebrates the soviet union's defeat of Nazi Germany. In Odessa, Kharkiv and Kiev, stores are closed, public events canceled amid worries of potential violence as separatists move ahead with a planned independence vote this weekend that as Moscow celebrates with a huge parade, possibly a victory lap for Vladimir Putin. Senior international correspondent Matthew Chance is live in Moscow's Red Square this morning. Matthew, what's the latest there?
[Matthew Chance, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, we're just outside red square, Christine. You can see there's still a few die-hard stragglers of this Victory Day parade that are staying around, but for the most part, it's dispersed. The parade is over. It was a dramatic display, as always, as it is every year, of Russian military might. We saw battle tanks parading through red square, troops, missile launchers, even intercontinental ballistic missiles to great applause and great cheers, as people celebrate and commemorate that victory of the Soviet Union over Nazi Germany 69 years ago. It's become something else as well, though, this year. There is a rise in not just national pride but national position in Russia over the course of the last 12 months or so, particularly since the events in Ukraine and when Russia in March annexed Crimea, making it part of the Russian federation. That's something that's broadly supported here. There was even some support in the crowd in those moments of emotion for Russia going across the border into eastern Ukraine. Some of the crowd was shouting "Let's go to Luhansk," that town, that city in eastern Ukraine that is part of that country across the border from Russia. So, you know, a lot of nationalism, a lot of national pride being displayed here on the streets of Moscow, the Russian capital, elsewhere as well. Other countries when they're looking at this, particularly former soviet countries, do so with a great deal of concern that Russia is once again on the rise, Christine.
[Romans:] All right. A resurgent Russia and a very popular Vladimir Putin. Thank you so much, Matthew Chance.
[Berman:] And a big question this morning whether Vladimir Putin is on his way to Crimea to celebrate this holiday.
[Romans:] I know. That would really be a poke in the eye, wouldn't it, the international community?
[Berman:] A lot of rumors on that and we'll tell you if and when it happens. Meanwhile, President Obama's choice to head the Department of Health and Human Services may be a step closer to confirmation. Sylvia Mathews Burwell went before a Senate committee where received mostly good, cheery feelings even from Republicans who obviously say they dislike Obamacare. Senator John McCain called her qualified but compared her job to steering the Titanic. A vote on sending her nomination to the full Senate is expected before Memorial Day.
[Romans:] New details this morning of Timothy Geithner's time as treasury secretary, revealed in his new memoir. "Associated Press" and "The New York Times" say Geithner thought about stepping down in 2010 and wanted the president to name Hillary Clinton as his successor. In that memoir due out next week, Geithner details the darkest days of the recession, pushing back against critics who say the administration favored big banks over average Americans. He writes, "They had to save the banks first to stop the entire economy from collapsing."
[Berman:] A bill to end the NSA's bulk collection of phone data is headed to the House floor following a unanimous vote by the House Intelligence Committee. The USA Freedom Act would bar the bulk collection of not just phone records, financial, health and other personal collection and require the ns took seek a judge's permission to access the phone data of a suspected terrorist. European stocks trading lower right now. Futures in the U.S. pointing to a lower open as well. The Dow's up slightly for the week, as the index hovers right around that record. That record we're watching, 16,580. Two big deal stories to tell you about this morning. A $35 million merger between advertising giants is off, OmnicomPublicis. The two companies saying they can't see completing the deal any time soon. That's a visual representation of a deal not happening right there.
[Romans:] That's what it looks like when there's a merger breakup. On the other hand, Apple is reportedly looking to buy Beats by Dre. The "Financial Times" says they may pay $3.5 billion for the headphone and speaker company, a high price tag for cool. As of late last year, Beats is valued at about a billion bucks.
[Berman:] We should have a graphic of a little heart between them to keep consistent.
[Romans:] Cupid arrows or breakups.
[Berman:] All right. This morning, we're hearing what could be Donald Sterling defending himself against charges of racism, this in a new audio recording released by "Radar Online". Now, CNN cannot confirm the voice on the tape is definitely Sterling, but if it is, it's the first we're hearing from him since he was banned for life by the NBA. Sterling said to be talking in this recording to an unnamed friend, telling him, "I'm not a racist," insisting anyone who knows where he came from knows that's true. So, listen to this.
[Sterling:] I grew up in east L.A. East L.A., you'd die to get out of there! I got out of east L.A. I was the president of the high school there. I mean and I'm a Jew! And 50 percent of the people there were black and 40 percent were Hispanic. You ever been to Boyle Heights?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, I've been to Boyle Heights.
[Sterling:] So, I mean, people must have a good feeling for me.
[Berman:] So, the NBA commissioner is pushing the owners to force Donald Sterling to sell the clippers, but an attorney now for sterling's wife, Shelly, tells CNN that she is a co-owner of the team and has every intention of keeping it that way.
[Unidentified Male:] Mrs. Sterling wants to retain her ownership interests in the team. She has enough money in her life and for her children and grandchildren. She's passionate about her ownership of this team. She loves the team. Players love her. Doc Rivers has been very supportive of her. And she's supportive of them. Mrs. Sterling wants to retain her 50 percent ownership interest in her lifetime.
[Berman:] This is going to get very, very interesting. As for the Clippers themselves, you know, the basketball team that plays basketball in the playoffs? Game three of their playoff series with the Oklahoma City Thunder tonight in Los Angeles. The series now tied at a game apiece.
[Romans:] All right, big news overnight from the NFL draft. And if you're a browns fan, you're probably still celebrating this morning. Johnny Football coming to Cleveland. The Browns grabbed quarterback Johnny Manziel with the 22nd pick, John, in the draft? That's far below the spot most of them thought the former Heisman Trophy winner would go. And the Browns are not the team most thought would take him. Houston with its first pick chose defensive end Jadeveon Clowney.
[Berman:] Now, I stayed up through eight picks, because I wanted to see where he would go and I lasted through eight. Once he didn't go there, I was like, oh, boy, I can't stay awake because this will go on a long time. Glad I didn't 22nd, a lot lower than people thought. All right. Happening right now: severe storms terrorizing millions across the country. Danger in the forecast from the South all the way to the Northeast. It could be a dangerous, dangerous weekend. Indra Petersons tracking what's happening right now and what's headed your way, right after the break.

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[Whitfield:] All right. The NCAA men's basketball tournament begins just hours from now in Indianapolis. Four teams, thousands of fans, college basketball's biggest weekend. What a combination. CNN sports anchor Rachel Nichols is live in Indianapolis with a look at all of the action. That's a whole lot of excitement going on right?
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Sports Anchor:] Absolutely. The biggest storyline here is Kentucky's quest for perfection. You, of course, don't have to be perfect to win the NCAA tournament. You can have a loss along the way, but Kentucky is trying to do the whole boat. It's been almost 40 years, Fred, since the team went undefeated all the way to win a championship and they're trying to become the first team since 1976 to do that. Now, I sat down with Coach John Calipari and asked him, is this really how you want to bring your team into the tournament? There's some coaches who feel like you should approach this a little differently. Take a listen.
[Nichols:] There are some coaches who think, it's better to lose one along the way, relieve some of the pressure. Do you put any credence in that or is that just an anathema to your competitive nature?
[Unidentified Male:] No, there's losing breeds losing. It puts losing in their minds. I don't believe that. And the only other thing is, do you think there would be less pressure on us to win this thing, whether we had one 7-11? We're all in the same boat. Everybody is 0- 0 this weekend.
[Nichols:] Now, of course, Kentucky has that mission, but Wisconsin, the team they're going to be playing, Fred, they've got a mission of their own. Wisconsin played Kentucky in the same stage of the final four last year. They thought they had the game won, and then in the final seconds one of Kentucky's stars, Aaron Harrison, hit a three- point dagger, just broke hearts across the Midwest. So they want revenge. It's going to be a fantastic match-up. We've also got Duke facing Michigan State, which is kind of a Cinderella pick, the only number seven seed with a bunch of number ones. It's going to be a real fun day.
[Whitfield:] And we're excited about your show coming up 2:30 Eastern Time. What should we look forward to, because you're going to be joined by Coach K too of Duke?
[Nichols:] Absolutely. We've got sitdowns with all the final four coaches, exclusive material, a bunch of behind the scenes stuff with the players, things you don't get to see on the regular broadcast. If you're a fan of any of these teams or just love this event, even if you're not a huge sports fan, we bring you with all the character and flavor of the entire weekend. Lots of fun. And I've got Steve Smith and Clark Kellogg joining me. A little CNN flavor, Bleacher Report flavor, everybody from the Turner family coming.
[Whitfield:] Hence the word all access! We're there with you, 2:30 Eastern Time today. Thanks so much, Rachel. All right, so much more straight ahead in the NEWSROOM after a short break.

[Costello:] We will find out in just a few minutes if the U.S. Supreme Court will issue a ruling today on any one of key rulings still on its plate and it could be a decision on affirmative action. Carrie Severino is the chief counsel and policy director for Judicial Crisis Network. Good morning.
[Carrie Severino, Chief Counsel And Policy Director, Judicial Crisis Network:] Good morning. How are you doing?
[Costello:] I'm good. So I could be completely wrong, they could rule on same-sex or the voting rights act, but we think they're going to rule on affirmative action and if you could just take us to that case briefly we would appreciate it.
[Severino:] Sure. Well we don't know which case it will be, but if it's this case, this is the longest outstanding case on the court's calendar. It's Fisher versus University of Texas and deals with a challenge to their affirmative action program that the University of Texas has. The question is going to be whether that program is too strict in how it balances the the braces, in saying we need to have exactly the same racial balance as a state as a whole. This goes a little beyond the case of Grutter versus Bollinger that the court decided several years ago at the University of Michigan. So the question is whether they are going to just say well we will keep what we said before. We're going to say we really strictly scrutinize these opinions, these state decisions, or whether they'll say this is not too big of a deal, we'll let it slide. And we think Justice Kennedy will come out with that case and I think they'll probably find the University of Texas goes too far in its racial preferences on campus.
[Costello:] Yes and just to put into personal terms, we are seeing a young woman in the video that we we're running previous to this, her name was Abigail Fisher, she says she was denied admission to the University of Texas because she was white. The interesting thing about this case and I know you're saying it hinges on Kennedy but Justice Kagan recused herself. This decision could possibly end in a tie, couldn't it?
[Severino:] It could. If that happens, the lower court decisions stands Justice Kagan was involved in this case when she was Solicitor General because they filed an amicus brief in this case, so she's recused from the case.
[Costello:] Ok so we'll find out in the 10:00 o'clock hour, 10:00 o'clock Eastern hour of NEWSROOM what the decision will be hopefully. Carrie Severino, chief counsel and policy director for Judicial Crisis Networks, thanks so much for being here.
[Severino:] Thanks for having me.
[Costello:] Still ahead in the NEWSROOM, the San Antonio Spurs are one game away from taking the NBA title. Highlights of their big win over Miami in "Bleacher Report".

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news this morning. A remarkable, new video that shows captured soldier Bowe Bergdahl the moments he is freed by the Taliban. This is part of a trade for terrorists. We're bringing you the tense moments all caught on camera, plus, the new allegations about just how Sergeant Bergdahl was captured in the first place. Was he seeking out the Taliban? And as these images come in, the controversy of how this exchange played out rages on in Washington. Live, team coverage on all the angles, beginning right now. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] I'm John Berman. It's 31 minutes after the hour right now. And this morning we're just poring over this dramatic, new video. We're seeing it for the first time, the moment when Bowe Bergdahl was handed off to U.S. Special Forces. You see it right there, a handshake. He walks back toward the U.S. Blackhawk helicopter right there. These pictures were posted to the Internet by the Taliban's media arm. They filmed this whole thing. It's got obvious propaganda value to them. It shows also how organized they were. There were some 18 members of the Taliban in and around this area as it was going on. You see Bowe Bergdahl right there sitting in the truck moments before the U.S. chopper lands. You can only imagine what's going through his head as he looks at that chopper that will take him back into American hands for the first time in five years. He simply watches there. You see him there patted down by U.S. Special Forces as the exchange is made. Obviously, still a certain amount of wariness between the two sides, between the U.S. and the Taliban. All safety precautions being taken. Then he walks towards that Blackhawk helicopter with a plastic bag in his hand, all he has after five years in captivity. Remarkable to see this, simply remarkable. Bergdahl right now is being treated at Landstuhl Medical Center in Germany. That's where senior international correspondent Matthew Chance is following the latest. Matthew, you've had a chance to look at this video also. What do you make of it?
[Matthew Chance, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Yes, really fascinating stuff. It's the first time, of course, that we've seen Sergeant Bergdahl since he was handed over to U.S. Special Forces there at that location at 10:30 Eastern Time on Saturday morning at the weekend in eastern Afghanistan. He clearly looks very gaunt, his head shaven, he's dressed in white. And it's revealing the sort of logistical operation that goes into these kinds of prisoner swaps that mark the end of a sort of conflict that we're witnessing under way at the moment in Afghanistan. The Taliban voiceover in Pashto language saying something along the lines of, you know, we called off all our fighters in the region to make sure that the American special forces when they arrived were not attacked, indicating the high degree of coordination between the two sides on this issue. Also, the mutual trust. It's been mentioned I think by you and Christine earlier, the Special Forces never once turned their back, according to this video, on the Taliban fighters themselves. There's a great deal of mistrust between them and the Taliban, 18 of whom are armed standing around them. In the commentary, the Taliban commentator says, you know, look, we don't trust the Americans, either. Essentially they took those 18 military personnel, those Taliban fighters, with them because you can't, in their words, entirely trust your enemy. And so that was something interesting coming out of this. Another I think highlight was the fact that according to this Pashto commentary, the first question that was asked by the U.S. Special Forces when they came into contact with the Taliban in this handoff was what's the health of the of the American soldier, and tell us the truth, the Taliban narrator says, if he's ill. They said he's fine. That's in sort of slight tension to what we're seeing here at the Landstuhl Medical facility, what we're hearing here, rather. They're saying that there are medical issues that needs to be addressed, that require hospitalization. That's why Sergeant Bergdahl one of the reasons he's in there at the moment, particularly due to his nutritional and dietary needs after nearly five years in Taliban captivity. But I think at the same time, health is a relative issue when it comes to dealing with people who have been in captivity in Afghanistan and the Pakistan border for the last five years, and so he's essentially in a stable condition, he's going to be psychologically assessed, he's in that process now before he's eventually returned to the United States.
[Berman:] As you say, health is certainly a relative issue, but at issue in this case because there were some suggestions by the White House and the administration that the reason this deal needed to be made so quickly, in a sense, going around the backs of Congress, not issuing the 30 days warning before releasing prisoners from Guantanamo, one of the reasons it had to be done so quickly was the deteriorating health of Bowe Bergdahl. And at least by listening to the audio on this, the Taliban gave no indication that his health was deteriorating rapidly. However, certainly, their assessment not really at issue here. Matthew, give us a sense of what will happen with Bowe Bergdahl over the coming days and weeks. He's in Germany right now. Any sense how long he will stay there?
[Chance:] There's been no time frame given as to how long this phase of his reintegration is going to take. It's what they're calling a deliberate and slow process. It's going to involve a degree of psychological counseling, a lot of professionals, health care professionals and others are going to be involved, psychiatrists, psychoanalysts, doctors, other medical teams, even his family members are going to be getting involved at some point to bring him back into the fold, back into society, back towards being reunited with his family. That pace at which that happens will be determined, according to medical officials here, by the pace of his healing and the pace of his reintegration, the pace of his recovery. And so there's no time frame been set. It could be days, it could be a bit longer than that, but ultimately, the objective is to get him on a plane back to the
[U.s. Berman:] All right, thank you so much, Matthew Chance for us in Landstuhl. Get him on a plane, get him back to the U.S., where this morning there are still swirling questions about, really, this whole case from its very beginning. How and why did Bowe Bergdahl end up in Taliban hands? We're seeing this new video as we're hearing from Bergdahl's former team leader in Afghanistan, Sergeant Evan Buetow, who tells Jake Tapper on "THE LEAD" that he considers Bergdahl to be a deserter, not a hero. And while we should say, we do not know at this point what really happened, we do not know why or how he walked off that base, Buetow insisted Bergdahl just walked away intending to talk with the Taliban.
[Sgt. Evan Buetow , Bergdahl's Former Team Leader:] The things that he did prior to leaving at the time weren't alarming. However, when he comes up missing, and all of his sensitive items are left behind, it just it kind of hit us in the head. It was like a light that went on. Man, he just walked away. That's exactly what happened. It's hard to explain, and I've tried to explain it to people, and it's hard for people to understand, but it was just we knew that he had left. I was standing right next to the radio when they heard that there is an American in a village called Yahya Khel which is about two miles from where we were at. And it's a village that has a very, very large presence of Taliban. That there's the American is in Yahya Khel, he's looking for someone who speaks English so he can talk to the Taliban.
[Romans:] Of course, five years has passed since then, and we don't know what happened on the night he disappeared and we don't know what happened in every one of those days since then. Meanwhile the White House is insisting it made the right call, defending its decision to trade five high-ranking Taliban fighters for Bowe Bergdahl. Congress is not happy about it. Some are demanding an investigation into whether the White House broke the law by not notifying them about the plan in advance. And others question whether the U.S. paid too high a price for the only American POW from the war in Afghanistan. The administration, though, echoing the president's statement that no American service member should ever be left behind.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] The principle can't have caveats and exceptions to it. When you put on your uniform and fight for your country, if you're taken captive, you should know that your commander in chief and every other person on the national security team, and the entire apparatus is going to focus on bringing you home. As commander in chief, the president believed very strongly and the secretary of defense believed very strongly that it was the right thing to do to move quickly in this case and secure his release.
[Sen. Saxby Chambliss , Ranking Member, Senate Intelligence Committee:] These guys are bad guys. One of them is suspected, and two of them, actually, suspected of being involved in maybe mass murdering thousands of individuals. Two of them had direct ties with Osama bin Laden, very, very close, personal ties. They will be Mullah Omar's board of directors to carry out additional, long-term terrorist attacks against America and Americans.
[Romans:] Mullah Omar's board of directors. For President Obama, the controversy at home is more than a distraction as he travels to Europe, trying to assure allies the U.S. won't abandon its role there. All anyone wants to talk about is Bergdahl, and now this video, these images this morning are top of the news. Senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta live in Warsaw. Jim, do we expect the president to talk about the video this morning? Clearly, everyone is poring over every sort of frame of this exchange.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Right.
[Romans:] This is the story.
[Acosta:] It absolutely is, Christine. I think the first chance that we'll hear from the president on this video that was released by the Taliban, if he's even asked about it, but the first opportunity for that will be tomorrow at a news conference with the British prime minister, David Cameron. President Obama right now is in Warsaw. He's about to give a speech at the 25th anniversary of the Solidarity Movement's triumph during the fall of the Soviet Union. That's happening in Warsaw right now. But those remarks will be really geared towards paying tribute to Poland's triumph at that time and the strides that they've made. This is really an amazing turnaround since the days of the fall of communism in terms of how Poland has come back economically and democratically. And the president will make the case that there's a lesson there for Ukraine and what's happening right now and the crisis in Ukraine. But getting back to this video that was released by the Taliban, I can tell you that the Pentagon has already weighed in. They have looked at this video. They're responding to it. Here's a statement from the Rear Admiral John Kirby who was also the press secretary at the Pentagon. "We are aware of the video allegedly released by the Taliban showing the transfer into U.S. hands of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. We have no reason to doubt the video's authenticity, but we are reviewing it. Regardless, we know the transfer was peaceful and successful, and our focus remains on getting Sergeant Bergdahl the care that he needs." I think the two words there, peaceful and successful stand out, Christine, because when I've been talking to senior administration officials about this exchange, one thing that they do point out is that this might have been sort of a first test case as to whether or not the U.S. and the Taliban can do business when it comes to winding down the war in Afghanistan. Yes, the Taliban has been the enemy of the United States during those very long war. They've killed countless Americans. They have also been, as Saxby Chambliss said, connected to al Qaeda, connected to Osama bin Laden. But as the senior administration official said to me, you know, you have to negotiate peace with your enemies, not with your friends. And so they feel like they have to at least see whether or not things like this can occur, this transfer of prisoners, the exchange of those detainees from Guantanamo for the release of Bowe Bergdahl. Can something like that happen peacefully and successfully, and what could that potentially lead to down the road? Does that mean that, perhaps, these two sides can do business with each other down the road when it comes to winding down the war in Afghanistan? And of course, you also, Christine, have this political mess that really has been created by the notification issue back in Washington. Senator Dianne Feinstein, a loyal Democrat, but also the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying that she regrets that the White House did not inform her before this prisoner swap took place. And then it sort of got messy after that because there was a senior administration official who apologized to Dianne Feinstein and said, well, we're sorry that we didn't notify you sooner, but then at the same time, the administration officials were putting out statements saying, well, we still defend the fact that we did not notify Congress because that might have put Bowe Bergdahl's life in jeopardy. And so a lot of back-and-forth, and Democrats of course are pointing out some inconsistencies on the Republican side. John McCain saying yesterday that it was a mistake to have this prisoner exchange, five Taliban for Bowe Bergdahl. And yet, back in April excuse me, earlier this year, in February, he was on CNN, according to the transcript, basically saying that, you know, maybe a prisoner exchange of this of this kind might be appropriate, if it returns Bowe Bergdahl back into U.S. custody. So a lot of this flying back and forth, and all of it really overshadowing this president's trip here in Europe, which is really supposed to be about reassuring Eastern European and Central European allies that the U.S. will have their back when it comes to standing up to Russian aggression. So a lot on the president's plate this week Christine.
[Romans:] And it's so and it's so remarkable to be talking about the back-and-forth and the you know, sort of the fighting in Washington when we're seeing the actual picture of that handover. You know, we can see Bowe Bergdahl sitting in the truck, we can see the last moments of captivity for 5 12 years, and then we can see the handover there, this first sort of, I mean, just remarkable, the quick action from the Special Forces. You can see them patting him down and never really turning fully their backs on Taliban, even as those Taliban fighters are on the hill with guns and it's peaceful and success transfer. Jim Acosta, thank you so much for that. Just remarkable.
[Berman:] Yes.
[Romans:] Remarkable the video.
[Berman:] Stay with us, obviously, for the latest on this breaking news, this video that we are analyzing this morning. But first some more breaking news overnight. Too close to call, a big race for the Senate ends with the candidates of really at this point divided by a razor thin margin. Too close to call at 5:45 in the morning, the morning after could be a big victory for a Tea Party- backed challenger. We'll break down what you need to know on this race, next.

[Costello:] Hundreds of children have been hospitalized throughout the country thanks to a severe respiratory infection that's shelling up from the Midwest all the way down to the southeast. Doctors in 10 states have reached out to the CDC for assistance in treating Enterovirus EV-D68. The virus has been around since the '60s but doctors are trying to figure what's making this outbreak so severe. Symptoms are like having a cold but much worse including fever, body aches, sneezing and difficulty breathing.
[Dr. William Schaffner, Vanderbilt Medical Center:] You know, Enterovirus is a group and there are many, many of them circulate most prominently end of the summer, beginning of the fall, just now. Why one virus or another crops up in one part of the country or another part of the country from one year to the next is inexplicable. Its a mystery to me. It's passed readily from child to child. They're the ones that are most susceptible and you really get very large outbreaks of these infections when they do occur.
[Costello:] Ana Cabrera is here with more. I'm sure with parents hearing that didn't provide them much comfort, right?
[Ana Cabrera, Cnn Correspondent:] It can be alarming, certainly, and unfortunately it's a mystery, as we heard that doctor just say. We are hearing from other doctors who are calling this situation unprecedented, saying they have never seen anything quite like this when it comes to the number of kids affected and the severity. And unfortunately the CDC says this could just be the tip of the iceberg because they still don't know all the answers. But here's what we do know. There is a nasty respiratory bug that is spreading, spreading very quickly. It's believed to be this Enterovirus D 68. The symptoms starting out as maybe the common cold, you might experience some coughing, a rash, maybe a fever even. But then it escalates very quickly, becoming wheezing and difficulty breathing, especially for children who have asthma. Those symptoms get severe. We know at least dozens of children have had to go to the ICU, being treated in the hospital in just the past couple of weeks needing supplemental oxygen, even a breathing tube in some cases.
[Cabrera:] And unfortunately these numbers are still growing. I want to give you some perspective on this. One hospital in Missouri tells us they're treating up to 30 children a day, 15 percent of those requiring intensive care treatment. In fact Children's Hospital here in Colorado has seen 900 since patients just since August 18th that have gone into the ER, urgent care. 86 percent of those children had to be hospitalized. We heard from one family. 13-year-old William Cornejo who has asthma. He was hit so hard by this bug he had to be airlifted to the hospital. Listen to him and his mother describe what happened.
[William Cornejo, Infected With Virus:] My head started hurting after my lung started sort of closing up.
[Jennifer Cornejo, Son Infected With Virus:] White as a ghost, blue lips. He just passed out. Had his eyes rolled back in his head and I had to call 911.
[Cabrera:] Again, ten states now believe they are dealing with this virus. From Missouri to North Carolina to Oklahoma to Colorado. They've asked the CDC to do some testing to help out with this infection. But unfortunately there are no simple tests, there are no vaccines. The bottom line is, if you want to prevent this, especially with kids getting back in school, that's one of the reasons that doctors think its spreading so quickly. Really the simple steps are to wash your hands often, disinfect surfaces and stay away from people who are sick. Some hospitals now, Carol, have made some restrictions preventing children under a certain age from even visiting parts of the hospital to try to get this virus under control.
[Costello:] Of course as you said, kids are going back to school so it's awfully hard to stay away from other people who may have this bug. Washing your hands, not many kids do that even though, you know, they say they do. It's a concern. Ana Cabrera, thanks so much. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Atlanta Hawks owner Bruce Levenson is selling his stake in the team due to what some call a racially insensitive e-mail. CNN's Nick Valencia is following that story for us.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, good morning, Carol. We're outside Phillips Arena where the Atlanta Hawks play. That fallout for Bruce Levenson in full effect this morning. We'll have the details of what was in that email after the break. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM.

[Feyerick:] The fight against the rampaging group ISIS is more than 50- countries strong. In just the past day, Denmark joined. So did Belgium. The United Kingdom is in. These two war planes did not drop bombs in Iraq. But they were armed. They flew recon missions looking for targets. The defense ministry says they are ready to strike. And now they are authorized to do so by the British parliament. The French air force is making bombing runs. And U.S. war planes are taking off and landing around the clock onboard a U.S. aircraft carrier stationed in the Persian Gulf. Between yesterday and today, the U.S.-led coalition launched 10 separate air strikes against ISIS targets in Syria and Iraq. Western leaders say that while the most dramatic advances by ISIS have been stopped, it could be years before the militant group is degraded to the point that it is no longer a threat and perhaps no longer relevant. The White House did not ask Syria's permission to hit ISIS. Damascus, Syria, didn't give it. It doesn't mean Syrian President Bashar al Assad wasn't thrilled to see the bombs falling on those militants. His forces have been fighting extremists for years without a lot of success. That has made a lot of his supporters upset. So is the U.S. doing President Assad a favor by destroying one of his biggest enemies? Retired Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona is a CNN military analyst; and also joining us, Michael Weiss, a columnist for "Foreign Policy" magazine. Michael, when you look at the spin that both sides are putting on this, the Syrian government is saying, hey, the U.S. and their partners are now fighting side by side with our generals. Are they helping Assad?
[Michael Weiss, Columnist, Foreign Policy Magazine:] My fear is that we are objectively helping him. We have said quite starkly we are not coordinating with him and didn't ask his permission, and nor did he give it. In the last week or so, officials have come out, including the Syrian ambassadors to the United Nations, saying we thought Obama's speech was great and, yes, this is we are effectively now a partner in counterterrorism with the United States. The other problem is we are coordinating with the Iraq government, which is almost entirely controlled by the Islamic Republic of Iran, Assad's number-one ally in the region.
[Weiss:] So I mean, the day the bombs started falling in Syria, Iraq's national security adviser met with Assad in Damascus and there was some coordination directly and some chatter about what was going on. And Assad said, we will help with all international counterterrorism measures. So, yes, I think there is kind of a de facto alliance.
[Feyerick:] Good point. So, Colonel, here is the issue. You have a multi-sided civil war. You have ISIS, the secular rebels, the extremist Islamic rebels, and the Free Syrian Army. There are so many people who are fighting this. Are the insurgents pretty upset right now that the U.S., whether they admit it or not, are essentially helping Assad wipe out one of his greatest enemies?
[Lt. Col. Rick Francona, Cnn Military Analyst:] It depends on which group, because if you are the Free Syrian Army, you don't have a problem with us taking on ISIS because you are fighting a group that they have been fighting. If you are the Islamic front, you probably don't have a problem with it. So nobody likes ISIS. ISIS is kind of this one group everybody would like to get rid of for different reasons, because it allows them a better playing field, than they hope to swoop in and fill that power vacuum for themselves. I don't think anybody is going to lament the demise of
[Isis. Feyerick:] What is interesting also, and we were speaking about this earlier, that is, that Assad may be playing a very strategic and very political game here, knowing that by allowing ISIS to fill that vacuum that was created, that now you have a coalition that is essentially going to help him. Are we suggesting that perhaps he knew exactly what was going to happen, that this was incredibly strategic? What do you think Lieutenant Colonel?
[Francona:] It was interesting. For months, before this even came about, we noticed that ISIS was not being hit very much by the Syrian air force or ground forces. They were concentrating efforts on other groups. It was almost like he was giving ISIS a free rein because he knew ISIS was keeping the other ones in check. Assad and Michael and I were talking earlier. I think we were surprised at how strategic and how smart Assad has become. We knew his father had this kind of intelligence but we were very surprised he has developed into the kind of Machiavellian leader that he has.
[Feyerick:] Michael, do you see it that way, as well? He was able to organize this strategically.
[Weiss:] We have questions. You remember, from day one, when peaceful protests started erupting in Syria, they were categorized as terrorists, this was am extremist plot hatch by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and, indeed, the United States. The idea was to essentially play the role of an arsonist and then come to everyone's rescue in the role of a firefighter. That is the sort of strategy. Remember, the Syrian intelligence services and military are trained by the Soviets, who specialized in this kind of thing. What we understand about Jihadism and the nature of terrorism in the Middle East, it is incredibly murky. To give you just one example, the Khorasan group
[Feyerick:] Right. The al Qaeda Khorasan.
[Weiss:] The commander of the Khorasan group was in Iran until a year ago. The Iranians say they had him under house arrest, which begs the question, why did you let him go? And how did he wind up in Syria? Again, Iran is Assad's number-one ally. There is without doubt in my mind, Damascus has been playing the double game. Indeed, look at how ISIS makes its money. It is selling Assad's oil back to Assad.
[Feyerick:] It's remarkable. The whole thing is remarkable. You feel like you are just looking at the tip of the iceberg, that everything else going on is so deep under the ocean that we can't even really get our heads around it. Michael Weiss, Colonel Rick Francona, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
[Weiss:] Thank you.
[Feyerick:] And we look at now the Oklahoma man who is accused of beheading a co-worker. He had a major run-in with police years ago. You will hear from a police lieutenant who says she wishes she would have killed him. Will he face terrorism charges? Plus, new details on the attempted suicide in Chicago that ground flights to a halt. The suspect was set to be transferred thousands of miles away from his home.

[Jake Tapper, Cnn:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Continuing our World Lead, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke a short while ago from Paris about the progress or lack thereof in talks with his Russian counterpart, Sergey Lavrov. Let's just say that Kerry set the bar low.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] I don't think any of us had an anticipation in coming here at this moment, in this atmosphere of heightened tension and confrontation, that we were suddenly going to resolve that here this afternoon.
[Tapper:] But Kerry said he and Lavrov have some ideas they can bring to their respective bosses, Obama and Putin. Can today's efforts be described as progress or status quo? Joining me now is State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki. Jen, good to see you.
[Jen Psaki, State Department Spokeswoman:] Great to see you.
[Tapper:] So the Ukrainian and Russian foreign ministers were in the same building today and they did not meet. Does that not suggest that Secretary Kerry's efforts today on the Ukraine were something of a swing and a miss?
[Psaki:] Well, Jake, as I'm sure this will come as no surprise, I completely disagree with that. Look, Secretary Kerry is in Paris because he is there for a conference on Lebanon, but he's also there to engage with European counterparts, to coordinate our steps moving forward. And yes, he had a lengthy meeting with Foreign Minister Lavrov. Do we expect this to be solved in a day? Absolutely not. We wish it could be. But there are steps that can be taken. There is an off ramp for Russia. Secretary Kerry laid that out today for foreign minister Lavrov. And if they don't take that off ramp, we have a range of options and there will be consequences.
[Tapper:] The range of options that you discuss requires the EU, the European Union, to be on board with what the United States wants to do in terms of specific sanctions and other diplomatic efforts to isolate Russia. Former secretary of defense Bob Gates gave an interview this morning, and he seemed very skeptical about getting allies on board. Let me play what he said.
[Robert Gates, Former Defense Secretary:] I'm skeptical that the Europeans will get behind a set of serious sanctions. Okay? That's one of the risks for the president if he pushes too far and the United States gets far out in front and the Europeans he looks behind him and none of the Europeans are there, then we risk being the ones isolated here. So, I'm not optimistic about how this is going to turn out, quite frankly.
[Tapper:] Jen, what's the status of our allies, the United States allies, particularly Germany and the UK? We know President Obama spoke with Prime Minister Cameron just a short while ago.
[Psaki:] And Secretary Kerry spoke with Foreign Minister Steinmeier today as well. Part of what Secretary Kerry is doing on the ground today is engaging and discussing with his counterparts about what steps we're considering, what steps they may be considering, and how we coordinate that. There's no question that being unified and taking steps together is the best path forward. But we feel, and we've been pretty clear in this, that we are going to consider taking additional steps in terms of sanctions. And we'll see what happens over the next couple days in terms of consultations with our E.U. counterparts.
[Tapper:] But is there any word that Germany and the UK, which have expressed in different ways a reluctance to get on board with sanctions is there any movement on that? Have they decided that they want to do something but they're just not where the U.S. is? Or are they still at no sanctions at all?
[Psaki:] Well, there is an agreement that we are at a critical point and that sending a strong message using all the political and economic levers we can pull is essential. So in terms of what that will manifest in, we'll see what happens over the next 24 hours. But that is what the discussion is about on the ground right now.
[Tapper:] That sounds like a very diplomatic and spinny way of saying that nothing has been agreed upon yet
[Psaki:] Listen, I wouldn't underestimate, Jake. There are discussions about these among these foreign ministers. And if you look at what the foreign secretary Haggis said, a range of foreign officials have said, they are very clear about how unacceptable they find the actions of the Russians. And they have been clear they're prepared to take steps.
[Tapper:] What about this off-ramp option that you keep talking about and others in the administration keep talking about? Apparently Chancellor Merkel of Germany discussed this with President Obama. Is Russia willing to have international observers in Ukraine instead of Russian troops?
[Psaki:] Well, we'll see. You know, today there was some trouble. The international observers had some trouble getting in. They're going to try again tomorrow as I understand it. And the clearest sign that the Russians consent that they want minority rights to be protected is to allow these observers in. So now it's a question of their rhetoric is matching with their actions. It's not matching. And what they'll do in the next 24 hours.
[Tapper:] As you know, a U.N. envoy in Crimea was accosted today by armed men. He's expected to take a flight out of the area later they are evening. That doesn't sound like de-escalation to me.
[Psaki:] Well, my understanding is there have been plans, and the U.N. of course is the appropriate place for this, to return and continue to play a role. This conflict on the ground is not ending in the next 24 hours. We're all working together with a fierce urgency in the international community to take steps, and the U.N. remains an important part of that process.
[Tapper:] Jen Psaki, thanks so much for coming and answering questions.
[Psaki:] Thank you, Jake.
[Tapper:] Coming up, two different administrations with nearly identical responses to Putin's military aggression. So, why the pass from conservatives in 2008 when it was George W. Bush, and the backlash now? Plus, drama in the House as a public shouting breaks out in a congressional hearing about the IRS abuses today with one Democrat calling out the "un-American," quote, unquote, actions of the Republican chairman. You'll want to stick around and listen to this.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. ISIS terrorists have released another video. It shows two Japanese hostages kneeling beside a knife wielding jihadi john. We're not going to show you the video because it just gives ISIS what it want, publicity. Instead, we'll show you pictures of the two hostages. One is a freelance journalist, the other a security consultant who was believed to have been traveling with rebel fighters when he was captured. While we won't show you the ISIS video, we will talk about it because it's a little different from the other videos we've seen. The terrorist in this video asked the Japanese government for a $200 million ransom. So what does that mean? Is ISIS using this opportunity for cash or is it cash strapped? Joe Ruffini is an anti-terror expert. He joins me now. He's also the author of the book "When Terror Comes to Wall Street: A Citizen's Guide to Terror and Awareness." Good morning and thanks for being here.
[Joe Ruffini, Anti-terror Expert:] It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.
[Costello:] So, Joe, what do you make of this? Why is ISIS now asking for ransom?
[Ruffini:] You know, it's kind of it can be one of two reasons. Either they're trying to play the game a little bit differently. I don't think ISIS is cash strapped, but this may be an opportunity for them to make a little cash. And, you know, they're very flexible. They're very asymmetric in their tactics. They're going to switch it up and this is just something a little bit different. Certainly nothing to be surprised about. They're going to change their tactics and their approaches from time to time. But it's very important for us to remember that what they want to project is this psychological effect that any kind of beheading or threatened beheading has on really the global population at large.
[Costello:] That's why we're not showing the ISIS video, frankly. The reason I ask you that money question is because recently ISIS released 200 elderly Yazidis, elderly people and children, and many believe they released those 200 people not on humanitarian grounds but because they couldn't afford to feed them. That's why I asked you that first question.
[Ruffini:] Well, you know, that could very well be the case. But to be perfectly honest with you, you know, we're not there. We're not there on the ground. And it's very, very hard to tell what their motivation is. ISIS remains strong. They remain a threat. A very credible threat. And it's not a threat that's going to go away any time soon.
[Costello:] The terrible irony here is that Japan donated hundreds of millions of dollars, not to fight ISIS militarily, but to help refugees because, you know, Japan is a passivist country, yet ISIS accuses Japan of killing our women and children. I mean that's so ridiculous it's hard to even talk about.
[Ruffini:] Well, they're going to make claims like this. Any of the jihadist groups are going to make claims like this. If you look at the social media, if you look at how they recruit on the Internet, if you look at what they do to motivate young men to become self-radicalized, they're preaching lies. They're preaching hatred. They are using the religion of Islam to kind of wave the religious banner and recruit very young men around the world and in the United States, and they're going to make absolutely ridiculous claims that would seem absolutely untrue to most everyday young men and women. And they'll continue to do this. It's part of the tactics. It's a game that they play.
[Costello:] OK, so let's talk about the game they play. So as they pull in more countries, and in this terrible way, at some point don't they realize that the world will just harden against them? It will join together, will ban together?
[Ruffini:] Well, you know, that's a good point and one would think they would take a lesson from al Qaeda around 2007, 2008. Osama bin Laden's popularity dropped in eight out of the nine predominantly Muslim nations. Support for suicide bombing dropped and overall support for al Qaeda dropped. And the main reason was is that Muslims around the world, like everyone else, were tired of seeing Muslims be killed by al Qaeda in their attacks. And I don't really understand why ISIS doesn't realize that if they don't choose their tactics and their victims carefully, this is going to fall back on them also. There's a lesson to be learned here, and they're not learning it.
[Costello:] Yes, well, let's hope they never learn it. Joe Ruffini, thanks so much for your insight. I appreciate it.
[Ruffini:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, it's the movie that's making box office history. "American Sniper." I'll talk to a former Navy SEAL who trained the man who inspired the film to get his thoughts on the film and the controversy surrounding it.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you ever think that you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you hadn't? Oh, that's not me, no.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Remembering an icon, a hero, a legend. Mourning the death of Nelson Mandela. This morning's special coverage of the former South African president's life whose message of equality changed the world.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to "EARLY START", everyone. I am John Berman.
[Pereira:] And I'm Michaela Pereira. It is 32 minutes past the hour. We welcome all of our viewers both here in the United States and around the globe. Welcome back to an early, early edition of "EARLY START". A whole lot of tears and a few wistful smiles this morning as the world pauses to remember Nelson Mandela. His unbreakable spirit squashed Apartheid in white dominated South Africa. A few men in history single-handedly changed so many hearts and minds in the face of such duress. Let's bring in CNN senior international correspondent Arwa Damon live from Johannesburg, South Africa, this morning. I can imagine it's very moving to see this. It's both a beautiful and sad and celebratory looking at his life.
[Damon:] It most certainly is. I mean, this is a nation in morning but this is also a nation that is celebrating the memory of this legendary individual that few can, in fact, find words to describe. We are in front of his house in Johannesburg. It was in fact here where he did pass away yesterday at around 10 to 9:00 at night. From there he was moved on to a military hospital in Pretoria. There his body will be embalmed over the next few days and then moved to the soccer stadium in Johannesburg where it will be set for a public memorial. From there on to Pretoria it will lie in state in casket and then finally on to his an ancestral hometown where Nelson Mandela will be laid to rest. But ever since that news broke last night that he had in fact passed away, people began coming here, sometimes in their pajamas, singing, chanting. A lot of the themes here really remembering the struggle that this nation went through as a whole, but also really remembering what it was that Nelson Mandela meant and the critical choice that he made after he was released from prison. The choice of reconciliation rather than revenge. A lot of people we're talking to are saying that, yes, of course, it pains them but at the same time they are feeling a certain level of joy and happiness because they say of his illness, that re-occurring lung infection, now he would finally be able to rest in peace. And the profound impact he's had on this country, so many here are really struggling to put their emotions into words at this state. Like a 23-year-old black university student that we spoke to who said that his parents did not have the life that he had. They were not able to go to school but because of what Nelson Mandela did, because what he allowed and enabled, facilitated this nation to become now this young man was able to go to what he was describing as a white school. Get an equal opportunity in education. One police officer we were speaking to who was saying that he was jailed in fact during the years of Apartheid for standing up to that government. Now out on the streets, he says protecting the country feeling as if he lost yes, a part of his soul, but he, too, was feeling a profound sense of joy. But also hoping that coming out of all of this, the country's people and the country's leaders will truly remember what it was that Nelson Mandela represented and the sentiment that we have standing out here amongst all of this, there's families here, there's children here. It's really one yes, again, as we say of a nation in mourning, but it's also quite uplifting as this country remembers a most remarkable man.
[Pereira:] Arwa Damon with a live image there. The streets around his home in South Africa, the celebration on the streets. Thank you so much for that look and also for looking forward, too. That is the next question is looking forward for the future of South Africa.
[Berman:] And it's not just the images, the sound.
[Pereira:] The sound. The music.
[Berman:] If you listen to the people there, the celebration of such a life there. And I want to hear much more about that life. Our next guest was in prison on Robben Island during Nelson Mandela's last years there. He was also the former CEO of the Nelson Mandela Foundation. Khehla Shubane joins us now from London. Thank you so much for being with us this morning, sir. Let me first start off by saying, you know, we are so sorry for the national loss, for your country and also your personal loss of your friend. This morning what are your feelings? What are your thoughts, sir?
[Khehla Shubane, Former Ceo, The Nelson Mandela Foundation:] My thoughts and feelings are with the family of Mr. Mandela, his children, his grandchildren, his wife. And I know that South Africans and his friends and admirers around the world feeling the sense of loss today. I identify completely with those feelings.
[Berman:] You were in prison with Nelson Mandela. Talk to us about that experience.
[Shubane:] I got to Robben Island in 1977. I was 21 years of age at the time. A Fester University student. The odd thing is that I didn't recognize Mr. Mandela on day one when I met him. This was in about September or so of 1977. He seemed like one other prisoner we met but there was something odd about this prisoner. He was he was not in a hurry when he met with us. About a half of dozen of us had gone to a reception to the central office to the Pacific and we met with him. He had just come out of the office of the commanding officer there, he greeted all of us, looked us all in the eye, and we had a chat and it was it was he clearly was an amazing and important person, but, at the time, I didn't know who this man was. I later learned about a week or so that the man we had met was Mr. Mandela.
[Berman:] That is an amazing story. You know, we've heard from American presidents over the last day who really seem to be in awe of Nelson Mandela. They treat him like he truly was different. To you, what made him so special?
[Shubane:] I think what made and by the way, I don't think I realized just quite how important Mr. Mandela was in all of the years that I spent with him in prison. The first two years, we didn't see a lot of him. I was in a section that wasn't allowed to interact with people in his section. It is the last three, four years of my stay there that we met pretty frequently and we were engaged in debates, dispassions, disagreement and so forth and so on, about political matters. And I don't think at the time I recognized and realized just how important Mr. Mandela was to South African politics and to world politics. The first time I ever realized that was that concert, the first concert in London, I just got a shock of my life and realized for the first time just how important Mr. Mandela was and the gravitas that all with which he gets treated, I realized that at the time. But in all the time that I spent with him in prison, he became really an important member of our organization and nothing more.
[Pereira:] Tell me, when he did get out of prison, did it all surprise you that he'd chose reconciliation over revenge?
[Shubane:] No. I wasn't surprised at all. From the time I met him in prison, he was
[Berman:] It's an almost unimaginable life for so many of us. The question a lot of people were wondering is, is what now for South Africa? Do you think anything will change there now that he has passed?
[Shubane:] I think I think South Africa is going to have to land and do so very quickly to get and cultivate people who would play the role that Mr. Mandela played. We still need those people. The country is not in the greatest of
[Berman:] Men and women who've learned lessons from Nelson Mandela. Khehla Shubane, thank you so much for joining us this morning. Really appreciate the discussion.
[Shubane:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] When Nelson Mandela led an armed revolution against South Africa's anti-Apartheid government back in the 1960s, he made it clear he was prepared to die and he almost did. After nearly three decades in prison, he ascended the to the presidency. A survivor turned skilled politician. We get more on Mandela's remarkable transformation from CNN's Robyn Curnow.
[Curnow:] It was here in Johannesburg that Nelson Mandela's political consciousness was awakened. An amateur boxer and trainee lawyer, as well as of the leader of the youth wing of the African National Congress, or ANC, the young Mandela made a crucial decision to fight the increasingly oppressive Apartheid state with force. He was prepared for the worst even when he and others were tried for treason and sabotaged, acts punishable by death.
[Mandela:] It is a gift. For which I am prepared to die.
[Curnow:] Those words read from this original transcript from the year 1964 still resonate, says one of his legal teams from that case, George Bizos.
[George Bizos, Former Legal Adviser:] If needs be, it is an idea for which I mean prepared to die. They're words which I think will live forever.
[Curnow:] They were the last words Nelson Mandela would utter in public for the next 27 years. Mandela got life imprisonment and was sent to Robben Island. While in prison Mandela continued to work towards freedom which seems so far away because South Africa's townships were burning. State of emergency was in effect and Apartheid regime never seemed stronger but he took a chance and started to secretly negotiate with the Apartheid government. Remembers
[Unidentified Male:] Because he has said it on occasion that there comes a time when a leader has to lead.
[Curnow:] An Apartheid minister at the time and the eventual president, F.W. De Klerk remembers his first encounter with a man he considered a terrorist.
[F. W. De Klerk, Former South African President:] My very first meeting with him, he was I didn't know what to expect and there he was standing straight as
[Curnow:] In his own act of political bravery, De Klerk released Mandela in 1990. In the next four years, ever the astute lawyer, Mandela spearheaded the negotiations for a new constitution and democracy. And it was only in these years, just before South Africans voted in their first democratic election that Mandela and the ANC renounced violence and their arms struggled. It had been a long war.
[Mandela:] So help me God.
[De Klerk:] On the day when he was inducted as president, he stood there on the terraces of the union buildings in Pretoria, and he took my hand and took it up, and he put his arm around me and we showed a unity which I think resounded throughout South Africa and across the world.
[Mandela:] I will count myself as amongst the aged of our society.
[Curnow:] Mandela's presidency was marked by reconciliation but Mandela gave up much more than he acknowledged. He admitted he would have liked to have spent more time with his family. In a rare interview with CNN on his 90th birthday. [On Camera] Is there anything you wish you had done differently? I've spoken to your wife and to many of your grandchildren and they suggested that perhaps you would have wished you had spent more time with your family. Is that something you think about as you look back?
[Mandela:] I'm sure many people, that is their wish, and I also have that wish, that I spend more time with my family.
[Curnow:] So is that a regret of yours?
[Mandela:] I don't regret it because the things that had threatened me were things that pleased my soul. So I don't regret it.
[Curnow:] A man who went looking back over his life, acknowledged that sacrificing his family life was for the greater good.
[Mandela:] Thank you. Thank you.
[Curnow:] Robyn Curnow, CNN, Johannesburg, South Africa.
[Pereira:] Powerful images.
[Berman:] So powerful, so remarkable. Coming up, we're going to have continuing special coverage this morning of the life of Nelson Mandela, his message and his legacy.
[Pereira:] We have another big story that is impacting much of our country. A deadly winter storm. It has done a whole lot of damage and there is plenty more, we are told, on the way. The deep freeze is blanketing virtually all of the U.S., causing all sorts of travel nightmares on the roads and also in the air. So far already more than 500 flights have been pre-canceled.
[Berman:] You know it's big if they're being pre-canceled.
[Pereira:] They're pre-canceled across the country because of this bitter, bitter weather. What can we expect today going into the weekend?
[Berman:] Let's get an early look from our weather guy, Chad Myers.
[Myers:] Good morning, guys. I know it is warm where you are but it is not in the Midwest. The arctic air is in place. It is low, it's heavy, it's dense, it's right on the ground and warm air is riding on top, and that warm air is creating an ice storm. There are lots of people this morning waking up without power throughout the Midwest. From Dallas through Little Rock and west of Memphis up to Paducah, already ice on the ground and more to come. Airports will be very slow today. Even with the fog in the northeast and all that, yes, but even if your plane is not in the northeast, maybe coming through one of these Midwest airports that will be certainly affected later on today. Now it's all gone for Saturday. The only bad news is there's another storm system that could affect the northeast, especially D.C. and Baltimore for Sunday and into Monday with more ice. We're in a very cold pattern when it tries to rain on top of cold air that is always a mess. Back to you guys.
[Pereira:] A mess, indeed.
[Berman:] Sounds like trouble.
[Pereira:] It really does.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Chad Myers for that. Coming up for us next. Remembering Nelson Mandela. And the impact he's really had on so many people all around the world. We're going to have a look back at the rock star welcome that awaited him here in the United States just after his release from prison. That is coming up next. Welcome back to "EARLY START", everyone. So in some ways the Beatles had nothing on Nelson Mandela. When the father of South African democracy visited the United States in 1990 he'd just been released from prison and he was greeted like a rock star but he was so much more than that. It was, without a doubt, a hero's welcome. For many Americans, unforgettable excitement when they saw Nelson Mandela touched down in the United States for the first time in June 1990. Mandela embarked on a world tour just months after his release from a South African prison after more than 27 years behind bars.
[Mandela:] My wife and I are deeply moved by the reception. We are truly among our own brothers and sisters.
[Berman:] Millions followed his eight-city cross-country tour. One of his first stops? New York's Yankee Stadium, where some have said he hit it out of the park.
[Mandela:] You now know who I am. I am a Yankee.
[Unidentified Male:] When he put that Yankee cap on and said, "I am a Yankee," you know, naturally, the people all loved him.
[Berman:] Mandela also visited President George H.W. Bush in our nation's capital and made stops in other cities, including Atlanta, Miami, and Detroit. On the West Coast, tens of thousands turned out for the ultimate pageant of praise. Mandela is hailed by many as the father of democracy and throughout the years, United Nations was often at the top of his itinerary.
[Mandela:] Throughout the many years of struggle, we, as South Africans, have been greatly inspired and strengthened as you took action to escalate your offensive against Apartheid rule.
[Berman:] His work garnering countless awards in the U.S. From the Human Rights Prize he accepted alongside President Jimmy Carter to the Honorary Doctrine he received from Harvard. He will be remembered most for ending Apartheid and for being elected and welcomed as the first black president of South Africa in the first open election in that country's history. Always a fighter, Mandela showed his unwavering support during one of our darkest moment, touring Ground Zero two months after the September 11th terrorist attacks.
[Mandela:] I am happy, indeed, to have been here, to be able to express my sympathies directly at the center of the tragedy. Thank you very much.
[Rudy Giuliani, Former New York City Mayor:] Thank you very much for coming.
[Berman:] In his last visit to the city in 2005, Mandela thanked New Yorkers for his solidarity and support in his battle against Apartheid.
[Mandela:] We are here to pay tribute and say thanks to those who gave us when they even had nothing for themselves.
[Unidentified Male:] People in our country, and in New York particularly, I think look at him and think of Martin Luther King who said, you turn the other cheek. He is just an amazing man.
[Berman:] How many amazing journeys he had here in the United States.
[Pereira:] Right here in the United States.
[Berman:] Incredible to see. All right, "EARLY START" continues right now.

[Berman:] Just into CNN, our Christiane Amanpour just interviewed the prime minister of France, who told her that the working assumption right now inside the French government is that there were accomplices involved in these terror attacks at "Charlie Hebdo," the satirical magazine behind me. Not sure if the accomplices were involved in the attacks themselves or involved in the planning of them, the financing of them, the procurement of weapons. The French government is deploying 10,000 new military forces to keep key locations secure around the country as well as 8,000 additional police personnel. Will it be enough? Joining me to talk about this, CNN law enforcement analyst, Tom Fuentes; and also Peter Brookes, a senior fellow in national security affairs at the Heritage Foundation. Tom, I want to start with you. The idea that there could be bigger cells, accomplices still on the loose here in this country. If you were the French government right now, how would you be pulling on these threads? How would you find these suspects?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] John, the first step that they'll be doing is trying to look at every method of communication that the Kouachi brothers and the others involved in this had. They were already aware of the 500 phone calls among the wives. They will look at who else was being contacted and how far back can those phone records go? They may not be able to go that far back in phone records and other electronic communication records such as e-mail and social media to be able to determine that. Assuming that they are looking at that, you know, that's what they would be trying to do is establish the electronic links and during the time they have especially the Kouachi brothers under surveillance, who were they meeting with at that time? Did any other names come up on radar at that point during the coverage they already had?
[Berman:] Congress passed the Patriot Act, giving United States officials more investigative power and greater surveillance power. I talked to French officials here. It's unclear whether there is public will for that kind of increased authority. Peter Brookes, I want to ask you a side question. We have information that at least one of the Kouachi brothers, in Yemen, knew the underwear bomber. They knew each other and may have lived each other when they were both in Yemen at the same time. So what can U.S. intelligence now do with this information? Can they go to him in prison and say, hey, what do you know about the Kouachis?
[Peter Brookes, Senior Fellow, Heritage Foundation:] They could. I hope they would. Tom did a good job, John, outlining what they should do in France. The other part is the international perspective, reaching out to the United States, reaching out to other partners to see what they might know and put these things together. Because we found out, so many times in the past, that one country knew something that another country would have liked to have known, whether you're talking about the Tsarnaev brothers or other international plots. It was the mal-intention of not sharing the information. But sometimes the stuff falls through the cracks. The French need to go beyond France and talk to international partners about what they might know as they try to put together this jigsaw puzzle and prevent a second wave or another attack.
[Fuentes:] John, if I could add one more comment to that.
[Berman:] Go ahead, Tom Fuentes. Go ahead, Tom.
[Fuentes:] I dealt with the European police services for in years when I was in the FBI. I ran FBI national operations. I was on the board of Interpol. The reason that those services are very reluctant to share information, initially share information or even maintain information is because these are the countries that were under the Gestapo during the Nazi occupations. And at the end of World War II, they passed the laws saying we're not going to hold information for long periods of time. If somebody doesn't stay on the radar, we're going to purge their files. That privacy issue has something we've been trying to work through for many years. After 911, the French became really outstanding partners. They were the first country to provide the U.S. with flight manifests of passengers and give us data, which why is why this guy ended up on our no fly list. That happened because of their cooperation. But the reluctance of Europeans to maintain this information runs very deep and for a long time, since World War
[Ii. Berman:] A complicated legacy to say the least.
[Berman:] I should add hang on, we're going to move on, unfortunately, gentlemen. I want to thank you so much. One point I just want to add to button this thing, is that our Pamela Brown is reporting that the man who attacked the kosher supermarket, killing four people, he was on a U.S. terror watch list, the so-called TIDE watch list. How much did the French know? That's one of the situations we'll be investigating further Michaela?
[Pereira:] Questions still about where and who that accomplice is. John, thanks so much. Ahead @THISHOUR, the flight data recorder located, the cockpit voice recorder located. Now reports that the AirAsia flight exploded upon impact. We'll discuss with our aviation analyst ahead.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] The breaking news is political. This is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Don Lemon, breaking news. And this something a lot of people never saw coming. In a stunning upset, Eric Cantor has lost to his Tea Party in the Virginia primary, the number two Republican in the House, the man much of the GOP regards as the most conservative member of the House leadership, the man who was thought to be the next in line to be speaker, defeated by someone named Dave Brat, an economics professor at Randolph-Macon College just outside side of Richmond. And, tonight, CNN's best political mind are here to break it all down for us and tell us to tell us what it means to the Republican Party and what it says about midterms that are upcoming. Well, tonight, we want to know what you think as well. So, make sure you tweet us, be a part of this conversation at #AskDon. Use #AskDon. So let's get right to the breaking news, Eric Cantor's stunning defeat tonight in Virginia, the number two Republican in the House losing to Dave Brat. Joining me now is CNN's all-star political team. Dana Bash is our chief congressional correspondent. Mark Preston is CNN's political director, Brian Stelter, senior media correspondent and host of "Reliable Sources." And Gloria Borger is CNN's chief political analyst, and also Dana Bash. Everyone is here. Dana, oh, my gosh. Can you can we say holy you-know-what on television?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Senior Congressional Correspondent:] I asked that you before we went on. And you said no.
[Lemon:] You can.
[Bash:] So, I'm not going to say that. But I think our viewers get the point. I I you can see I'm speechless. It's not often that I'm speechless. And I am not alone in this town. The e-mails, tweets, texts from people at the highest levels, people close to Eric Cantor, people on the rank and file of the Republican Party, particularly in the House, completely shocked. Just to give you a sense of how little anybody expected this, Eric Cantor's own staff was very sure that they were going to be fine, saying that this is just a press story, that this is just ginned up by people who want to make the Tea Party still have a life. Well, guess what? They have a life, a big life. And all of those stories that we have all done through the primary season so far, talking about the fact that the Tea Party may be losing life because they haven't been able to beat an incumbent, that's over. It's a wrap for that, because they have gotten the biggest head that they could possibly get at this point. And that is the number two Republican in the House.
[Lemon:] And isn't isn't it the first rule of politics, especially when you're running, to never underestimate your opponent, Mark Preston? And before you answer that, let me just show you what some of the early polls show, that Cantor had this pretty much locked up. A poll within the Cantor camp that shared with "The Washington Post" had Cantor at 62 percent to 28 percent. How could that poll have been so wrong, Mark Preston?
[Mark Preston, Cnn Political Editor:] Well, it's interesting. I have been on the phone all night just talking to political operatives here in Washington and in Virginia. And really they are laying the blame not only at Eric Cantor, but at his political consultants. They feel like they have done him wrong. But, to your point, Eric Cantor wasn't tending to business back home. And as one operative just said to me a short time ago, it is very difficult to be in the leadership, at the same time representing your district. And I think that's kind of what we saw with Eric Cantor. He was trying to have it both ways. It was only just a couple years ago, Don, that Eric Cantor was seen as the voice, so to speak, for the Tea Party within the leadership. The past couple of years, he seemed to have been moderating his views a little bit. And as someone said to me tonight, you can't have it both ways. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Tonight, Eric Cantor died by the sword.
[Lemon:] Gloria Borger, I know you're raring to get in here, but first I want you to listen to what Eric Cantor had to say tonight after his loss, and then we will talk.
[Rep. Eric Cantor , House Majority Leader:] Sure. But I believe in this country. I believe there's opportunity around the next corner for all of us. So I look forward to continuing to fight with all of you for the things that we believe in, for the conservative cause, because those solutions of ours are the answer to the problems that so many people are facing today. Thank you all very, very much.
[Lemon:] Gloria, what's your reaction? What did he do wrong?
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] Well, there are lots of things he did wrong, first, in talking to Republicans tonight, who say to me, to a person, that this is a repudiation of Eric Cantor personally, that he failed politics 101, which is to keep in touch with your district. They point out that Lindsey Graham in South Carolina won a primary tonight with 60 percent of the vote. And one Republican said to me I'm going to quote it here "Measuring the drapes is never a good strategy," which means that he was next in line to become speaker, was seen as very ambitious, somebody who spent a lot of time fund-raising for the Republican Party. And it's one of the perils of leadership, particularly since the Republican leadership is unpopular with the base of the Republican Party.
[Lemon:] Brian, conservative media, can the opponent, can Dave Brat thank them for this victory?
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] I think that has something to do with it. It was under the radar. That's why so many reporters, so many analysts were shocked tonight. But Laura Ingraham, for example, to name one talk radio host, was very supportive of Brat, even held a rally for him in Virginia this time last week. The top of her Web site today said, "Vote Dave Brat today." Other radio hosts also supported him. Ann Coulter supported him. And I think they are going to be getting credit in the days to come. Tonight on FOX News, Megyn Kelly called Ingraham instrumental to this victory.
[Lemon:] Dana, did they underestimate the power of the supporters here?
[Bash:] I think they underestimated the power of the supporters, but maybe they overestimated the power of the kind of Republican that would go out and vote for Eric Cantor in a primary that people aren't used to being a part of in his district. Primaries aren't very common in his district. I know it sounds like we are getting into the weeds here, but weeds matter in grassroots politics, particularly on this huge story. And I talked I described a little bit perhaps how overconfident the Cantor people were. That clearly translated into what you got to do on Election Day, which is get your voters out. And they didn't clearly didn't do that enough. And that is absolutely critical. Another just anecdote I will tell you is that I'm told that the Chamber of Commerce, which is a big establishment group, so to speak, that has gone in to help a lot of incumbents across the country this year with a lot of money, put up ads and so forth, they went to the Cantor people not too long and said, do you need us? And they were waved off by the Cantor people. They simply didn't see this coming, like most people didn't.
[Lemon:] Arrogance?
[Borger:] Well, that's because the Cantor people had $5 million and Brat had what, $200,000 or $300,000?
[Bash:] Three hundred thousand.
[Borger:] Right. And I think one of the other mistakes they made is that they ran negative ads against someone that lots of people had never heard of.
[Lemon:] By putting his name in those negative ads, they made him popular.
[Borger:] Until those ads appeared. And so there were issues. There were issues like immigration. There were issues like the government shutdown. Cantor was a member of the leadership who wanted to end the government shutdown, which was popular with the conservative base of the Republican Party. So there were issues, and then there was, you know, a little political malpractice perhaps going.
[Stelter:] Well, and that's one of the storylines tonight, about money. Usually, money wins races. A study came out in April said 91 percent of the time, the better-financed candidate wins. But then there is the other 9 percent.
[Lemon:] Mark Preston, what do we know about Brat and about the challenger he will face?
[Preston:] Well, here is the situation We don't know very much about him. I think at the top was the longest biography that you could give on a candidate we know nothing about, necessarily. He is a college professor. He is going to win in November. Democrats were hoping that Eric Cantor would run as a write-in candidate, would split the vote, and then they could potentially pick up the seat. That's not going to happen. This is a very Republican seat. But let's take a step back and look at really the national implications about this. We're talking about the majority of leader of the House of Representatives being taken out, which means there's going to be a void now in the House leadership, which means you have an emboldened Tea Party. Will we see a Tea Party candidate within the Republican Conference try to run? And what does that mean for any kind of cooperation moving forward in the final two years of President Obama's term? So there is lot of national implications. And, quite frankly, Don, we talk about the implications for Republicans and how they will pushed to the right. There are also Democrats that are running in the Senate in a lot of red states right now. They have got to be concerned that there is potentially a Tea Party base, a conservative base that will be energized by this, and they could potentially help defeat those Democrats.
[Lemon:] All right, everyone, hold on, hold on. When we come right back, the big position that may be behind Eric Cantor's stunning defeat. Is it all about immigration? Our political team goes toe to toe on that. And we want to know what you think about all of this. Make sure you tweet us using #AskDon.

[Pereira:] Well, @ THIS HOUR, same-sex couples in Pennsylvania could be hearing wedding bells. A federal judge has thrown out the state's ban on same-sex weddings, saying Americans are better people than these laws represent.
[Berman:] His ruling took effect immediately. The governor there is considering an appeal but the state's attorney general has said she will not challenge. So for now, add Pennsylvania to the list of states allowing same-sex couples to wed. The entire northeast, state after state. Our Jeffrey Toobin is here, an expert on all things legal and the courts and the Supreme Court, which matters here quite a great deal. You look at that map and you see state after state after state now. Is it inevitable that we will soon see a nationwide ruling?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] It is inevitable that the Supreme Court's going to have to deal with this sooner rather than later. I don't think it is inevitable what the result of that case will be. An amazing phenomenon. Since the Supreme Court struck down DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act, last year, 14 judges have considered bans on same-sex marriage or recognizing same-sex marriages. All of them have struck down those bans. So clearly the federal judiciary is moving in the direction of strike down them all, but the Supreme Court has not spoken on the issue. I think the odds are at this point they will say same-sex marriage is constitutionally required but it's not a sure thing.
[Pereira:] The legal question still remaining, the infringeable right of gays to marry. Give us an idea of all ways going into that.
[Toobin:] Last year, the Supreme Court had the chance to decide this very issue. They had the Proposition 8 case out of California. Instead, they said, on procedural grounds, we just don't think this case is appropriate for our review. Clearly, at least one of these many cases that are now floating through the system will go to the Supreme Court and the court will have to address the very profound fundamental issue, is does the constitution guarantee gay people, as well as straight people, the right to get married. It is very likely to come down to the vote of Anthony Kennedy. Anthony Kennedy, generally a conservative vote, has been very pro gay rights. I think, given the momentum, it seems likely he would vote in favor of same-sex marriage. I've been burned on Supreme Court predictions before.
[Berman:] Never you. I want to talk about the momentum in historical terms. Roe v. Wade in the early '70s, a lot of pro-abortion activists say that ruling may have forced the country into something too soon. How is it different now with gay marriage? Did Anthony Kennedy give the country a chance in a way to catch up to the Supreme Court?
[Toobin:] That may be the case. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the famous liberal on the Supreme Court, has said often that even show they supports abortion rights, that she thought the court went too far on roe versus wade. Should have let the states go first, not rule all at once. I think what we've seen in public opinion polls, the dramatic change in support for same-sex marriage, especially among younger people, all these states voting in favor of it. So many judges ruling in favor of it. That the court will be less worried about a backlash if they rule in favor of same-sex marriage than the backlash they did suffer about abortion after Roe v. Wade.
[Pereira:] You look at the momentum going state side, you're right, probably less of a backlash
[Toobin:] I think what's so striking is you have not seen much of a big backlash. You've not seen a lot of anger at the courts.
[Pereira:] Jeff Toobin, thank you.
[Toobin:] Good to see you both.
[Berman:] Coming up, it's all fun and games until someone loses part of his body.
[Pereira:] Part of his body?
[Berman:] We'll tell you how a failed attempt to throw out a base runner ended in a fight and plastic surgery for one baseball player.

[Christi Paul, Cnn:] All right. Hey, you go make some great memories yourself today here.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn:] INSIDE POLITICS with John King starts right now.
[John King, Cnn:] Labor Day weekend. In a huge mid-term election year President Obama wishes this was the big conversation.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Companies are investing, consumers are spending.
[King:] But the commander-in-chief's handling of world crises dominates the debate in Washington.
[Obama:] I don't want to put the cart before the horse. We don't have a strategy yet.
[King:] Plus Hillary Clinton breaks her three week silence on Ferguson.
[Hillary Clinton, Former U.s. Secretary Of State:] Imagine what we would feel and what we would do if white drivers were three times as likely to be searched by police during a traffic stop as black drivers.
[King:] And two months to Election Day give Republicans the edge in the battle to control the senate. But most of the big races are so close nothing is certain. INSIDE POLITICS, the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. Welcome to INSIDE POLITICS. I'm John King. Thanks for sharing your Sunday morning especially on this Labor Day weekend. With us to share their reporting and their insights: Politico's Maggie Haberman; Nia Malika Henderson of "The Washington Post"; Amy Walter of the "Cook Political Report"; and Bloomberg's Lisa Lerer. Labor Day weekend, 65 days to Election Day and it is world events not jobs or health care or immigration driving most of the debate here in Washington. On Thursday at the White House listen here as the President takes issue with reports he's close to authorizing strikes inside Syria against ISIS leadership targets.
[Obama:] We don't have a strategy yet. I think what I've seen in some of the news reports suggests that folks are getting a little further ahead of where we're at than we currently are.
[King:] "We don't have a strategy yet." Maggie Haberman, the tan suit got a lot of action on Twitter but that part especially. Now a lot of the President's critics were taking it out of context. He was clearly answering a question about Syria. But he should know better to say we don't have a strategy yet. Why didn't he just say we're not there yet or we're mulling our options or we'll let you know when we know?
[Maggie Haberman, "politico":] Yes to everything you just said. He should know better. He absolutely was taken out of context. And you saw Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary do a tremendous amount of push back on this beginning immediately after the press conference and I think actually during the press conference. He was being asked a specific question about congressional approval for Syria. So it really was a very contextual question. But, yes, after an entire election that was bought out with you didn't build that, somebody else built that for you and all sorts of other phrases of the President's being taken and used to cement a narrative, he should know better. He was answering the question honestly but it did not sound good and it played into a sense that some of his critics have of sort of a foreign policy adrift. I will say though in his defense, this is not this is a very complicated situation and this is not a situation with a lot of easy answers.
[King:] Right. Caution may be the right approach but communicating the caution he didn't get quite right. It was also an interesting moment where he was trying to make the case the sanctions against Russia and Putin are working and then he says but he said their response was for the violence, they are training the separatists in Ukraine, they are paying for it. And the critics say well if all those things are happening, where's the proof the sanctions are working.
[Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg:] Right. And I think part of the problem here I will defend the tan suit. For late August, it wasn't a totally inappropriate choice. But I think part of the problem with the statement was that it was coming after a series of sort of public relations mishaps by the White House. I was with the President at Martha's Vineyard when he came out and gave this very moving statement about James Foley. I think he was at the golf course within ten minutes. And that obviously attracted a lot of blowback from all sorts of places not just Republicans but media and even some Democrats winced. So this on top of that just really contributes to this narrative and it just hasn't been it doesn't feel like the White House has been handling, at least the optics of this very well.
[Nia Malika Henderson, "washington Post":] Yes. And I think in some ways the cart before the horse was a lot of the military leaders coming out and really scaring everyone and saying that ISIL or ISIS or whatever you want to call it is the worst thing they've ever seen, that they got this funding. That they've got you know, they are essentially operating the state and taking taxes [inaudible]. Also in that way he seemed to sort of mixed the message there and what emerged was something that I think was a lot more nuanced and reflective ultimately of what they are doing which is working on a strategy [inaudible].
[King:] It was striking to me that, you know, he understands the timing here. He understands the election is 65 days away 67, 68 days away when he was giving that statement and he tries to talk about good economic news that morning. He spends what 10 or 12 seconds on it and then he himself focuses on foreign policy and every question was about either tough foreign policy and we'll get to this a little bit later on the program or tough immigration choices. Where is the President right now with his party as we hit Labor Day?
[Amy Walter, Cook Political Report:] Well, what's interesting about the economy piece of this which yes, there's been very good economic news over the last few weeks, stock market hitting a record. People don't believe it and people don't feel it. I mean if you've seen anything over the last couple of weeks that's really disheartening, it's not just that people are feeling bad it's that the median income in this country now is lower than it was in 2000. It's when you're looking state by state at hourly wages, how they have declined over the last ten years, not just since 2008. So even the economic news isn't going to break through; in fact that's a lot of what if we want to call it the malaise is about in this country and the frustration is that we're in an economy that while it looks like we're moving, for most middle class folks they feel like they are just trapped.
[King:] Legs feel tired. They have been treading water for a number of years. So part of the foreign policy debate, interesting is the Republicans say the President is too cautious. Some say he's too timid. Now, a lot of them veer away from what they would actually do if they were president. But they also try to say it's his fault and it's her fault meaning Hillary Clinton as we go forward. Here's Rand Paul. And on this one you have Rand Paul and Marco Rubio both ends of what I'll call the Republican spectrum on foreign policy in the same spot. Rand Paul says "We're lucky Mrs. Clinton didn't get her way", talking about Syria, "and the Obama administration did not bring about regime change in Syria. That new regime might well be ISIS." Is that a fair criticism?
[Haberman:] I think that it is very hard to divorce what they are saying about foreign policy from the ultimate goal of beating her up for 2016. So this is not actually about the substance this is all about redirecting the anger, just as you saw from some of President Obama's supporters after Ferguson, an effort to redirect some of the focus on 2016 towards Hillary Clinton, towards Jeb Bush, towards Chris Christie. You will see this from Republicans now on the foreign policy debate because they are trying to come up with whatever weak point they can against her other than just saying she's beatable and we can beat her. This is a way to do it. But I don't think this is about actually getting to a substantive discussion of foreign policy.
[King:] It is an issue on which she actually disagreed with him. Hillary Clinton wanted the President to be more aggressive, more muscular early on in arming what she called the moderate Syrian forces. There are some people who say, "Who are they?" Or they don't exist. But on a point where she's trying to get away from President Obama a little bit, the Republicans are trying to velcro her right back to him.
[Lerer:] That's right. And in some ways I think their responses to her foreign policy or what they perceive to be her foreign policy says more about the Republican field than it does about Secretary Clinton herself. You see Rubio is on one side. Rand Paul is on the other. They are trying to distinguish themselves as well by how they respond to her.
[Haberman:] There's this moment where there's this anti- interventionist sentiment. That is a lot of what's happening in the Republican Party, too. You have Rand Paul who frankly has sort of embraced that label more than he had been for a while and now with that "Wall Street Journal" op-ed it's kind of just going along forward. You do have this debate within the Republican Party but also on the left as well but more on the right about how muscular to be.
[King:] And to the point about Hillary Clinton as they try to get at her armor as Secretary of State and what she thinks is a strength to make it a weakness, a lot of us were asking why did she wait so long. Why didn't we hear from her in the hours, in the days after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson. Well, she waited nearly three weeks but when she did speak, it was very powerful. She said as a mother she felt the pain of the Brown family. She talked about inequities in the criminal justice system and she asked her largely white audience to look around the room.
[Clinton:] Imagine what we would feel and what we would do if white drivers were three times as likely to be searched by police during a traffic stop as black drivers instead of the other way around. If white offenders received prison sentences 10 percent longer than black offenders for the same crimes.
[King:] Might we go into a presidential campaign where Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul
[Walter:] I was just going to say that sounds like Rand Paul.
[King:] are traveling the country, telling their largely white audiences that's what mostly you get in the campaign trail to think about this and think hard.
[Henderson:] Yes. I mean because if you look at what she said, you're right Rand Paul made a very similar statement in his "Time Magazine" op-ed. He said if I were in Michael Brown's position and I was a 17-year-old I might mouth off at a cop too, the difference being I wouldn't end up dead because he would have been white kid. So I think this is pretty bold for Hillary Clinton to get out there and say this. We're not used to white politicians asking white people, white Americans to put themselves in the place of African- Americans. So she, of course, got a lot of flak from progressives particularly from waiting so late on I think a lot of they missed the boldness of her statement.
[King:] Does it matter that she waited?
[Haberman:] No, I actually don't think it did. I think that there were elements of the statement that were bold and there were elements of the statement that were also cautious. I mean I think that she I agree with absolutely what she said about trading places but I think she was careful not to offend anyone. I think she was careful to be clear about law enforcement as well which has been a community that has backed her in the past when she was in the Senate. I think that at the end of the day, what good would it have done for her when this was all playing out or for the situation when this was playing out for her to have been another politician putting out a statement? And if you look at the statements that were issued by a lot of politicians with the exception of the Rand Paul op-ed which was clearly different on race but for the most part everybody carved out a very cautious space. Paul Ryan said wait and see. Ted Cruz denounced arrests of reporters.
[Henderson:] Yes. People talked about militarization.
[Haberman:] Exactly. So I don't see I don't think that anybody said it much other than Rand Paul that was particularly bold. And Rand Paul was bold because it was a challenge to his own party.
[King:] And the test I think will be after we get the investigations, after we see what happens in Ferguson after those investigations, do they carry this conversation into the next campaign and beyond? That will be the true test for all of them. Sit tight. Up next, the battle for control of the senate and a guide map to the races that could decide the balance of power. But first this is priceless. This week's "Politicians Say or Do the Darnedest Things". Speaker John King Boehner and his friend the monkey.
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] This sits in my office on my coffee table because this is me. That's what I do all day. They wind me up about every 15 minutes. No, no. I got to go to work.

[Whitfield:] Chemically produced drugs sold as legal alternatives to cocaine, marijuana, and meth are showing up in the streets, all across the U.S. and they're overtaking one North Dakota City. Here's CNN's Drew Griffin.
[Drew Griffin, Cnn Senior Investigative Correspondent:] In the week of June 10th, 2012, law enforcement in Grand Forks were dealing with an outbreak of violent overdoses. A mysterious drug on the streets had already killed two teenagers.
[Unidentified Male:] We've got multiple overdoses. We've got two young men who have lost their lives. What's more serious than that?
[Griffin:] Jim Purdon is the U.S. attorney for North Dakota.
[Timothy Purdon, U.s. Attorney, District Of North Dakota:] That was unprecedented. I've been U.S. attorney now going on four years. This is the only time we've reached out to a school system, to the university and said, there's this danger on the streets right now that people need to be aware about.
[Griffin:] As the emergency warnings were being issued, investigators were desperately trying to find out what this drug was and more importantly, where it came from.
[Chris Myers, First Assistant U.s. Attorney, District Of North Dakota:] It took lab analysis to determine the true nature of these substances, when we learned what they were, 2 ci NBOME and 2 cc NBOME that was new to us.
[Griffin:] They are synthetic designer drugs. Chemicals designs to imitate the high of the banned drug, LSD. These drugs are so potent. A dose the size of a few grains of salt is enough to get high. North Dakota's top federal drug prosecutor had never heard of them and neither had Christian Bjerks' parents.
[Debra Bjerk, Christian Bjerk's Mother:] I had to go to the internet and look up information on it. And I really didn't understand the whole synthetic drug. I didn't know what it was. Didn't know how dangerous they were.
[Purdon:] The message we got after we went on the internet was that somebody had said it was OK for these drugs to be on the street and they had been tweaked. But that's all we knew.
[Griffin:] Parents across the country are now learning the painful truth about synthetic designer drugs.
[Unidentified Female:] Investigators say he overdosed on a synthetic marijuana Otherwise known as k-2.
[Griffin:] With deaths and overdoses reported almost daily.
[Whitfield:] All right. Drew Griffin is with me now in the NEWSROOM. So these synthetic drugs, is it ability availability? Why is it so accessible?
[Griffin:] I think it's so accessible for two reasons. One, it comes in nice little packages through the mail. So most of these kids think there is some kind of cleanliness and legalness to it, because it's distributed in this way. The other thing is, it's easy to get. All you need is a credit card. You're not meeting a street dealer down on the corner. You're just ordering it online.
[Whitfield:] How is it so accessible?
[Griffin:] Because it is all internet-based. Not drug cartels, we're not talking about gangs, we're talking about chemical companies, mostly in China, who are shipping this to distributors in the United States, who are putting it on web sites and you can just click what you want. It comes in any size you want.
[Whitfield:] And why is there no policing of this? Why is that?
[Griffin:] The police are trying to catch up constantly. There's so much of it out there, it's labor intensive kind of cases. It mostly happens, like in this, when you have deaths or some kind of a serious illness, then the cops have to backtrack. And what you'll see in this special is how long it took before the police even knew what they were dealing. What was this drug? Take it to a lab, analyze it then find out where it came from. Then backtrack all the way through the internet, multiple jurisdictions. The cases are hard to crack. There are plenty of people who are trying to evade the law. It's just like every other drug we have. There's money to be made and people willing to figure out a way to do it.
[Whitfield:] And if you're a user, is the synthetic drug more appealing because of its potency, or is that kind of overthinking about it?
[Griffin:] I think there is overthinking. It's the ease of use and the ease of attainment. People are not thinking, this is going to be better than LSD, they really don't even know
[Whitfield:] Or that it's potentially more dangerous, not even thinking about those things.
[Griffin:] Not even thinking. And many of the kids get in trouble because they have no idea what the potency is. They just think it's something new, came in the mail, let's give it a shot.
[Whitfield:] All right. Drew Griffin, thanks so much. Of course, it's very frightening says well, especially for young kids. Tonight, Drew Griffin has more on the dangers of synthetic drugs. Don't miss the CNN special report, "Deadly High: How Synthetic Drugs Are Killing Kids." that's tonight, 7:00 Eastern Time. All right, what will the feds do to rein in cops who go rogue? Our legal guys weigh in, next.

[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Host:] Tonight: live from the very windy island of Lampedusa in the Mediterranean off Italy, just 70 miles from the North African coast, an exclusive report on the desperate plight of migrants, who are risking everything to cross the Mediterranean to safety. We go on board an Italian naval vessel and witness an extraordinary rescue. And over 4,000 miles away, Southeast Asia faces a similar crisis; thousands of Muslim Rohingya and Bangladeshi refugees stranded at sea but finally maybe getting a temporary port to call home. The Indonesian foreign minister joins me later.
[Amanpour:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to a special edition of our program from Lampedusa, Italy. I'm Christiane Amanpour. And we are reporting here on this crisis of migration that has focused the world's attention. And indeed, Italy has shouldered the lion's share of this. Over the last two months alone 29,000 refugees have been rescued and brought to shore. And today, in fact this week, the Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi said he was going to raise the ship that sank in April with some 800 bodies on board to prove to the world what was going on here. He said people cannot just look away. And it was that sinking that focused the world that caused the E.U. now to seek a U.N. resolution for a beefed-up military campaign also to try to get European countries to abide by a quota system to take migrants in on a fair basis. But those countries are wrangling over that very notion. In the meantime, the thousands keep coming; we were out for 24 hours on an Italian naval vessel, a total of 900 refugees were rescued and brought ashore. We witnessed the rescue of 300 of them. It's a sunny day. So the pilots of this navy helicopter expect it to be a busy day in the Central Mediterranean not far from the Libyan coast. And barely 30 minutes into our flight the pilots tell us they've spotted a boat, possibly full of migrants. And there it is, miles away, steaming towards Italy, they hope. The warship Spinks takes off to rescue them. Now they've all been given those distinctive orange life vests. We return to the task force frigate Virginio Fasan and join the crews there preparing to assist the seaborne rescue underway. The crews are dressed in masks and hazard suits in case of infectious disease. It is incredible to see with your own eyes a boat like that, not big; it's been crammed with 290 people and of them 21 are children. Now the Italian navy has offloaded them all and now the last batch that's been unloaded by the Italian navy is ready to get on one of these warships and safety. But this human drama also includes one death and three very sick migrants are transported to be choppered to hospital on land. The very lucky ones make it up the stairs. They're all sat in rows on the top deck under the broiling sun. Most are from Eritrea, East Africa, escaping a dictatorial regime and military service that doesn't pay a penny. Almost no one speaks English. But this man tells me they all fled what amounts to slavery back home.
[Unidentified Male:] We know a lot of times cannot all people they are tied in the Mediterranean Sea. We know that.
[Amanpour:] And yet you take the risk, even though you know a lot of people died?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] Why?
[Unidentified Male:] I don't have pretty word because I tell you, but by myself, I came from Eritrea.
[Amanpour:] What do you think of the Italians who saved you?
[Unidentified Male:] It is very good we are in a nice country. We know that before we knew we are coming, we know that.
[Amanpour:] And then we walk over to the other side, where women and children were separated, seeking shade and sleep where they could. Twenty-five-year-old Juri fetches water for her travel companions and their kids. She says they all spent a long time waiting for this in cruel conditions in Libya. Are you afraid on the sea?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, I really am. We are afraid but we
[Amanpour:] So God came in the form of the Italian navy?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes, yes. Like yes. I'm happy.
[Amanpour:] Back on the busy bridge of the Fasan, Commander Marco Bagni directs this and other operations and every rescue takes hours to accomplish, even on calm waters. There are up to 1,000 crew at sea all the time. Task Force Commander Admiral Ribuffo has one special mission, aside from saving lives, stopping these merchants of death by keeping empty fishing boats out of the traffickers' hands. You have called these boats weapons of mass destruction. What do you mean?
[Admiral Pierpaolo Ribuffo, Deputy Commander Of Italian Navy:] They are because of course it's quite provocative, but in terms of human losses, they have been causing, just one journey is extremely fruitful for a criminal organization. We're talking about 1 million euro per journey.
[Amanpour:] Really?
[Ribuffo:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] One million euros per journey?
[Ribuffo:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] Indeed, heavily armed security forces and Marines take off at top speed, soaking us but making sure no trafficker was coming back for this wooden boat. And while they all await further orders under a new E.U. military mission, the human toll on young crews and even experienced naval commanders is immense.
[Ribuffo:] I think that Italy and Europe in the next future will do the right thing. So I'm proud of that.
[Amanpour:] I can see it makes you emotional.
[Ribuffo:] I would say yes, because confronting yourself with people is quite heartbreaking sometimes.
[Amanpour:] And rewarding at times, too, after all, on just this mission they have saved 289 lives. These migrants are safe and they are free at last. But still they sail on into an uncertain future Christiane Amanpour, CNN, aboard the Virginio Fasan in the Mediterranean Sea. And it just so happens that this afternoon those very migrants were offloaded in Sicily and they were at a reception center and they were watched and witnessed by representatives of the UNHCR, the U.N.'s refugee agency, and joining me now is Laurens Jolles, who is the head of the refugee agency for this area of Southern Europe. It just goes to show, doesn't it, I mean, today there were no crossings because of this dreadful weather; yesterday it was fantastic; 900 people came over. But that's just the first part of the battle for them. What happens when they get here?
[Laurens Jolles, Unhcr Southern Europe:] Well, it's the first part of the battle. That's absolutely true. But when they arrive here, you see the people on board, most of them are refugees. Most of them are people who flee from persecution or wars or absolutely terrible situations. They come here; they have the right to apply for asylum. Those that do arrive usually do, either in Italy or in other countries. And that's the beginning of a new life, in fact. But it's fraught with obstacles, of course. It's not easy. People are coming with traumas and having lost everything. And they have to build up a new life.
[Amanpour:] But not only that, there is the resistance. Look at what's happening in Europe, the politics, the right-wing anti-immigration parties and now Europeans, even not wanting to go along with this idea of taking in quotas. What do you think will happen if a beefed-up E.U. mission goes into effect and they try to stop the smugglers by destroying the boats? What will that mean?
[Jolles:] Well, that's just one part of a much larger plan. Now the European Commission has come up with an agenda for migration that in fact if one reads it is quite good. Very positive about that because it gives a lot of elements that should all complement each other. What you were talking about, the destruction of boats and stopping the smuggling is just one element. That should not be the element that people concentrate on because there are other things, of course. One has to build legal avenues to come to Europe that are different from having to cross
[Amanpour:] OK. So some have talked about having processing camps, let's say, in Tunisia or other parts of North Africa, where it's possible. Is that viable, according to the UNHCR?
[Jolles:] That could be possible. It's not only that. We're looking now at indeed resettlement from some countries, relocations so people who are already coming, who are already here, who can go to other countries, we're talking about family reunification, facilitated family reunification, sponsorship schemes, labor migration schemes, development in some of the countries where people are having to flee from or in the countries of transit. So it's a combination of things that all go together. One cannot look just at one or the other.
[Amanpour:] And what about the times that we live in? We report on refugees and wars, endlessly. And I think according to the U.N., this is the most refugees around the world since World War
[Ii. Jolles:] Yes, absolutely. We're talking about more than 50 million people who have been displaced, who are either internally displaced or refugees, a huge, huge number. And I think the international community as the high commissioner has often said is not capable of stopping the crises that are in the world. So I think it's more important now than it ever was before to keep borders open, to look at tolerance, no restrictive policies and be able to recognize the need to be liberal and have the possibility of people coming. And that's unfortunately not the case.
[Amanpour:] Well, it's not. I mean, it's almost the opposite. So what do you tell a country like Italy which is doing what it's doing on the high seas, as I said, taking the lion's share of it, then bringing all these migrants basically here?
[Jolles:] Well, Italy, first of all, is doing a wonderful job as we have seen. It's not only Italy; others are helping at the moment. But with Mare Nostrum
[Amanpour:] And there's a U.K. ship, there's a French ship, there's some German ships, yes.
[Jolles:] private ships also. But Italy has definitely taken the lion's share. And you saw in the film that you the report that you made how proud the commander was. And they are. They have something to be proud of. And he was also quite emotional about that. So they're giving a very, very good example. It is not happening elsewhere in the world at the moment. But this is a very good example of how rescue is important, how it's absolutely essential that human lives come first. Then of course you have the other thing. Once people come to Europe, then what do you do? And then there have to be other mechanisms, solidarity mechanisms, burden sharing, a common responsibility. And they're going towards that. Now it is true that there is resistance. I hope that the resistance will be overcome. We're going to be looking at what's going to happen in the next few weeks.
[Amanpour:] All right. Stand by, because some of the other places where it's happening are in fact as I said 4,000 miles away, where we have all these Rohingyas and Bangladeshis stranded at sea. When we come back, my interview with the Indonesian foreign minister, just back from a meeting of other foreign ministers in that region. They have decided to give a temporary space in their countries to these migrants; first, of course, we leave you with images of past parallels of today's desperation, when it was the migrants of Haiti and Cuba turning to the ocean for a better life.

[Jean Casarez, Guest:] We do begin tonight with breaking news out of Texas. Police say a 25-year-old mother, Stacie Parsons, comes home to tell her husband, Don`t go near the trunk of that car. Meanwhile, the little girl`s father tries desperately to revive the tiny 4-year-old, reportedly found wrapped in a garbage bag and allegedly stuffed into the trunk of that car. And we have just gotten word the cause of death has just been released. It is revealing that this little girl was killed three times over.
[Unidentified Male:] Police in Texas say a young mom murdered her daughter, shoved her in a plastic garbage bag, stuffed her in the trunk and then drove home. Told me if I leave her, that she`d kill the baby. The husband reportedly told Parsons the night before the killing that he wanted a divorce.
[Casarez:] And a renowned 41-year-old Florida State University law professor and father of two, Dan Markel, is rushed to the hospital after he sustains a gunshot wound to the head in his home. Now he is dead, no signs of robbery or burglary. Police are saying this was not a random crime, he was targeted. Who would want to murder the Harvard-educated FSU professor?
[Unidentified Male:] FSU law professor Dan Markel gunned down in his own home. A gunshot wound to the head.
[Unidentified Female:] There`s still a lot of mystery surrounding it.
[Unidentified Male:] Police are sorting through clues to find his killer.
[Casarez:] A 98-year-old wheelchair-bound woman is left alone in a sweltering pickup truck for nearly five hours. Why? Her son reportedly leaves her while he tries his hand at the local casino.
[Unidentified Male:] A 68-year-old man was arrested for leaving his 98- year-old mother alone in a pickup truck while he went to a Maryland casino. Parked in the garage with the window cracked open in 81-degree weather. Investigators say she`d been there nearly five hours while McGinness gambled inside.
[Casarez:] And police rush to the scene after a 911 call comes in about a baby left alone in a carseat, wrapped in a blanket, trapped in a hot car. Yes, another baby left alone in a hot car. Where was the mother? We`ll tell you. Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us. We do begin tonight with breaking news out of Texas. Police are saying a 25-year-old mother, Stacie Parsons, comes home to tell her husband, Don`t go near the trunk. Tonight, she is accused of killing her own 4-year-old daughter. Straight out to Michael Board, reporter with WOAI newsradio. Michael, what happened here?
[Michael Board, Woai:] Yes, Jean, bombshell tonight! Twenty-five-year- old Stacie Parsons has been charged with capital murder. And in Texas, that could mean she could face the death penalty. This all started with fight with her common-law husband. They were having marital problems, and he said he wanted to get a divorce. They went to bed that evening, woke up the next morning. Her common-law husband, Gary Wyatt, saw his wife and his daughter, 4-year-old daughter, were missing. He just assumed that she took her to her first day of pre-school. She later returned that morning without her daughter, parked the car in the driveway and just started walking away from her home. He chased after her and tried to get ahold of her. And all she would say is, I wouldn`t go in that car. He raced back to his own car, looked in the trunk. And Jean, that`s when he made this grisly discovery.
[Casarez:] Everybody, you`re looking at this beautiful little girl. This was her first day of pre-school. Her mother was supposed to take her to pre-school. Her father thought that that`s where the mother had taken her. But to Matt Zarrell, we are learning that the mother didn`t take her to pre-school, took her to under a bridge, allegedly?
[Matt Zarrell, Nancy Grace Producer:] Yes, Jean. Police are saying that Victoria was murdered under a bridge about five miles from the home. Parsons allegedly then drove put the body in a plastic garbage bag, stuffed it in the trunk, and then drove the five miles back to the family home and parked the car right in the driveway.
[Casarez:] And we have just gotten preliminary autopsy reports. They were just released minutes ago. And homicidal violence is the cause of death, but there are really three causes of death blunt force injuries to the head, stab wound to the chest, and since they were under the bridge at the river, drowning another cause of death. Out to Dr. William Morrone, medical examiner, forensic pathologist. When you have multiple causes of death that all seem to contribute, can you determine what came first, the blunt force injuries to the head, the stab wound to the torso or the drowning?
[Dr. William Morrone, Medical Examiner, Forensic Pathologist:] Here`s the way we do this. We usually look at ABCs airway, breathing, circulation. But anything that stops the decedent from breathing, like blunt force injury to the head, would come first. And when that stops breathing and bleeding stab wounds won`t bleed. So you`ll see stab wounds without a lot of blood. That would mean that the blunt force trauma to the head came first. And drowning would be assumed to be the last thing because it`s the slowest. So that`s how we would probably proceed with this. And with the specifics from the autopsy, that`s what I would expect.
[Casarez:] Which is very significant, Doctor, because in this case, we`re talking about a capital crime, a potential death penalty case, and the state of mind to show the intent to kill in the premeditation and if one manner doesn`t work, you then go to plan B is extremely significant. To Michael Board, reporter with WOAI newstalk radio in San Antonio. This is a Texas case, another mother allegedly killing her child. What do we know about her past? I mean, did she have a propensity for violence at all?
[Board:] No, she did not have a criminal history. She did not have any meetings with child protective services, which would have been red flags off the start. But there are some family members who have been quoted in different articles saying that she was having some anger management issues. She, you know, had come from a broken home. She was adopted with her sister as a child. She still had some connection to her birth mother, but you know, that was tenuous at times. There were some signs along the way that there might be some problems with her mental state, but that never showed up there was not a criminal history. She didn`t beat her daughter. CPS was never involved with this family. So the fact that you know, those weren`t outward signs of problems here.
[Casarez:] There is no sign at all of a history of violent behavior. That is what the police are telling us. And this is Athens, Texas. It`s 70 miles east of Dallas, Texas. To Matt Zarrell. What was her marriage like? Because we`re hearing that it was very volatile, but we are hearing that she was a loving and kind mother and lady.
[Zarrell:] Well, Jean, it depends on who you talk to. Her adoptive mother says that while Parsons did have a temper, she never saw it towards the baby, and that Parsons appeared to be a good mother. However, the husband says that Parsons had told him weeks before the murder that if he ever left her, she was going to kill the baby. This is what he alleges. And Wyatt was concerned that there was just angry talk. Now he`s concerned, Jean, that he could have set this up by the night before saying he wanted a divorce, that that you know, to allegedly kill the child.
[Casarez:] To Wendy Patrick, prosecutor joining us out of Los Angeles. If, in fact, this loving mother said to her husband, If you ever leave me, I`ll kill the baby, and then the night before, he says I`m leaving you, and the next day the baby`s dead, that statement right there prosecutors could use that, or would that be determined to be hearsay?
[Wendy Patrick, Prosecutor:] Well, Jean, in a court of law, if somebody testifies, anybody`s allowed to use hearsay to for impeachment. And of course, in a criminal case...
[Casarez:] My guess is...
[Patrick:] ... the defendant`s statements are admissible.
[Casarez:] ... she`s not going to take the stand and testify. Let`s just go on the premise that she, as a defendant in a capital case, is not going to take the stand. Would it come in?
[Patrick:] Sure. We`re allowed to use defendant`s statements in court unless it`s excludable for any reason. At the very beginning stages, Jean, that`s one of the things that everybody`s looking at is, are these statements going to be admissible, or is there some independent reason to exclude them? So you`re right on the money in stating that anything she said could, in fact, be powerful evidence in court against her.
[Casarez:] A statement against her. Heather Hansen, defense lawyer out of New York, it is critical at this moment for her attorney to get a psychological exam because that`s where the defense is going to go, right?
[Heather Hansen, Defense Attorney:] Absolutely.
[Casarez:] The defense is going to go that there is a mental issue, defect, or out and out insanity.
[Hansen:] That`s right, Jean. And everything that we`ve heard so far will lay that out for us, the fact that this is not part of her history, the fact that she came in and told her husband, Don`t go near that car. All of those things weigh in favor of some sort of a psychotic break. And in Texas, insanity defense is available. She could argue irresistible impulse. And you are 100 percent correct that she will need to get a psychological evaluation as soon as possible.
[Casarez:] And Peter Odom, defense attorney out of Atlanta, psychological defenses have been very helpful to mothers in the state of Texas. But the fact is, if you get in your car and you go down to the river under the bridge and you have three different mechanisms of causing the death, and then you go to your husband and you say, I wouldn`t go near that car, if I was you that shows a knowledge of what she was doing and that it wasn`t right.
[Peter Odom, Defense Attorney:] That doesn`t necessarily preclude an insanity defense, Jean. She could have been acting under an irresistible impulse. But this mother is going to use the psychological evaluation for two reasons. First of all, she might assert an insanity defense of some kind. But even if she doesn`t do that, remember, Texas is a death penalty state, and they`re not afraid to put people to death, even women. She is going to use that psychological evaluation as a mitigating circumstance so she can come out of this alive on the other end.
[Casarez:] Matt Zarrell, what else can you tell us about the facts as we know them?
[Zarrell:] OK, well, I can tell you some more details about when they found the body. A family friend who was there with the father said when he opened the trunk, he saw Victoria`s leg hanging out of a plastic bag. They saw visual trauma to the head and chest. Victoria was also foaming at the mouth, and her head was bashed in. And the family friend also says, Jean, that when he and Victoria`s father pulled the girl`s body from the trunk and tried to perform CPR, water came out of her lungs, which is where we see the drowning cause of death from.
[Casarez:] You know, when you describe that, Matt Zarrell, the violence that this little girl was a victim of is just absolutely horrific to hear about. If her mother did this, the propensity to violence is immense. And the main thing that we want to remember here, this little girl was supposed to have her first day at pre-school, which was the day of her demise. Prosecutors are saying this mother right here in Athens, Texas, literally murdered her child three times over, her little girl that was just about to go to registration for pre-K. We do have a caller. Out to Michelle in Canada. Hi, Michelle.
[Unidentified Female:] Jean, first of all, thank you for taking Nancy`s place for the past couple weeks.
[Casarez:] Well, Michelle, I`ve got to tell you, I am so honored to be doing it. And I am so grateful to Nancy for asking me to do it. And don`t go on because I`ll start to get emotional, but I`m really appreciative. And I love your show. So Michelle, what`s your question?
[Unidentified Female:] Can I just say quickly? A mother holds her in her body a baby for nine months and then gives birth to her with all her soul. And I`m just wondering, how can she have the audacity to kill the baby, let alone just ignore it?
[Casarez:] You know, Michelle, that`s an excellent question. Erik Fisher, licensed psychologist, joining us. You know, Michelle talks about a mother gives birth to the child. She should feel so close and have such a bond. We`re hearing that this mother was actually very jealous of her little girl from almost the beginning when she was born. How do you rectify that?
[Erik Fisher, Psychologist:] Well, the first thing that I look at here in the case is that her history of adoption. We don`t know what happened in the first seven years of her life before she was adopted. Just because somebody may be adopted into a loving home, sometimes, all the love in the world can`t undo what happened the first formative years of her life. And people with attachment disorders, which often kids with adoption issues can develop, they can develop attachment disorders they don`t connect to people the same way they would. She might have felt like if she had this child that it would bring her and her husband together. But then she saw the child as a barrier between her and her husband. And often with attachment disorders, there`s a very deep-seated rage that bubbles up inside. And not everybody sees it. Kids with attachment disorders and adults who often develop borderline personality disorders, around one set of people can appear wonderful and fabulous, but then in other situations, they can then be very vicious. And one of the things the father said was that in this situation, she would often be verbally abusive to the daughter, was one of the reports that I read in this case.
[Casarez:] You know, to Heather Hansen, defense attorney joining us from New York. There are a lot of people that are adopted and they do not have these disorders that then cause you to kill your kid. And of course, she is innocent until proven guilty. But jurors are going to want to know a motive. Jurors are going to want to understand why a mother would do something like this when a mother-daughter bond should be so strong.
[Hansen:] Right. And that`s why I think they`re going to have to really investigate into what happened in her early life. They`re going to have to investigate. There`s been some allegation by the woman who took her in as a child that she was abused in those earlier years. And so most adopted children are not don`t undergo that type of abuse. In addition, the fact that there must have been some type of a break - I mean, even in the pictures, she looks very different in the mugshot than she does in the prior pictures. Again, something may have happened to cause a break so that she had an irresistible impulse and she went on to commit this horrible crime.
[Casarez:] But to Wendy Patrick, this wasn`t just in the blink of an eye. She had to get some instrumentalities, some murder weapons, allegedly, if the child was beaten to a pulp and stabbed. You don`t find those things just normally around the river`s edge under the bridge. You could. But go ahead.
[Patrick:] That`s absolutely right, Jean. And you know, that`s what really makes this case challenging on all fronts, is we don`t have a documented history of mental health. What we have is anecdotal evidence from people that knew the family. Unfortunately, when we don`t have formal diagnoses to work with, we`re left with questions like the one you just asked. If this was was it a sudden break, or in fact, did she take the time to find, you know, different types of instrumentalities to commit this crime? As investigation continues, you bet those are going to be dynamite questions that jurors are going to want to know the answers to in order to determine was this some sort of a psychic break at the last minute, or is this something that, in fact, was premeditated, which will make a big difference for everyone involved?
[Casarez:] And talking about premeditation, Dr. William Morrone, that little girl was found in a plastic bag inside the trunk of the car. Plastic bags normally would have to be taken also to the river`s edge. Are plastic bags forensically important? Would you want to know and have fingerprints on that plastic bag or any other type of forensic evidence, even for the cause of death?
[Morrone:] Plastic retains fingerprints. Plastic retains blood samples. Plastic retains DNA. Plastic is an excellent container. And it`s going to work against her in the forensic science.
[Unidentified Male:] A Texas mother allegedly killed her 4-year-old daughter and stuffed her in the car trunk because, reports claim, she was jealous of the 4-year-old little girl. Parsons`s common-law husband was pulling his daughter, Victoria, out of the trunk, where she had trauma to the head and chest and was not breathing. The father was unable to revive her.
[Casarez:] You know, and other people are saying this was a very loving mother in Texas that loved her child. But people are also saying that she had a history of verbal abuse and anger, and that she even said at one point that she would rather go to prison than continue to have her child, had a lot of anger toward Victoria. I want to go to Erik Fisher, licensed psychologist. If you make a threat, OK people make threats all day every day. When do you know that a threat is actually serious? Because she told her husband, If you divorce me or try to divorce me, I`m going to kill her.
[Fisher:] Right, and you don`t have any history of violence in this situation. So a lot of times, people do say things, and people will say almost anything to keep somebody in a relationship. But I don`t see if I`m looking at this from the outside without having interviewed her, knowing a lot of the details of the case, what I`m looking at, though, is that, to me, it almost seems like this would have been more to punish him because she wanted him to feel the pain. She told him to look in the car. And even going to the police and reporting it, she`s saying, I`m following through on my threat. You`re going to pay attention to me. And why she would do this, is this is a re-enactment of her abandonment wound. You know, if she didn`t attach to a parent...
[Casarez:] You know, a lot of people are not going to want to hear that because she`s been charged with capital murder, intentionally killing her child.
[Fisher:] You`re right.
[Casarez:] Matt Zarrell, NANCY GRACE producer, we can learn a lot about someone`s state of mind from their Facebook pages, what they post, what they say. Does it does that correlate to what they mean? What are some of her Facebook postings that you were able to find?
[Zarrell:] We`ll go through these, but I should preface it by saying they were posted well before the murder or the alleged murder. The first one is, "My mama taught me never to throw the first punch, but you can bet your sweet
[Casarez:] Wow! Really something. And Matt Zarrell, we are getting some information in right now that she actually has gone to the police department herself and voluntarily made a statement, Matt Zarrell?
[Zarrell:] Yes, Jean, we just got a press release that states, quote, "Stacie Marie Parsons walked into the Athens Police Department at approximately 8:46 AM stating she had killed her daughter."
[Casarez:] A renowned 41-year-old Florida State University law professor and father of two, Dan Markel, is pronounced dead at the hospital after he sustains a gunshot wound to the head. Who would want to target the Harvard-educated FSU professor?
[Unidentified Male:] The criminal law professor is now a crime victim. His life was cut short by a bullet to the head, shot at his Tallahassee home. Police have yet to name a suspect in the case.
[Casarez:] To Sean Rossman, reporter with "The Tallahassee Democrat." OK, Sean, there`s just something something wrong with this case. But what are police telling us? And do we have any information on who would have gone into this man`s home, a professor, a law school professor, nationally renowned, shoot him in the head and basically leave?
[Rossman:] Well, all we know now is that police arrived shortly after getting a call from a neighbor saying they heard a loud bang. Police arrived and found Mr. Markel with a gunshot wound to the head. And he died at the hospital early Saturday morning. We do know that this wasn`t a random incident. We do know that Mr. Markel was the person that whoever killed him was looking for.
[Casarez:] Now, who are you looking at right here is the victim in this case. He`s a law school professor at Florida State University, Harvard educated, got his masters at the University of Cambridge, went back and got his law degree at Harvard. He is nationally renowned for his articles in law journals. More than that, he`s the father of two young children, beloved in the community. Clark Goldband, Nancy Grace producer, what more can you tell us?
[Goldband:] Jean, you just mentioned the kids. They`re just three and five years old. Here`s what`s interesting. Law enforcement just moments ago, Jean, has updated what exactly they`re looking for. Out of the blue, Jean, they`re now saying they want information on this particular car. And they`ve issued a photo of this car. Now, it`s hard to say. It`s grainy surveillance. There you see it on your screen. Could it be a Prius? Could it be some sort of a hybrid? it definitely looks like it`s on the smaller side. But again, hard to make out that vehicle of interest. Cops also saying that this doesn`t mean the person driving this car is a suspect or anything like that. It could be a neighbor, it could be someone dropping off lunch. They just want to talk to this person. Also, Jean, authorities say they`ve obtained surveillance video from the surrounding area. This is a nice, upscale community. There are parentally surveillance cameras on adjacent properties nearby. And authorities are combing through that surveillance as we speak, trying to determine who may have gone in and out of this home. Jean, perhaps most perplexing, no sign of robbery, according to law enforcement.
[Casarez:] And I think that`s an important point, Clark. Because there were some robberies or burglaries just as there can be in residential areas. But there is no sign that we know of, that we`ve been told that there was anything taken at all. And it doesn`t appear as though there was any sign of forced entry. A really important question, Sean Rossman, and I know law enforcement is just keeping what they know close to the vest. So something`s going on here. But do we know where he was shot in the house?
[Rossman:] That is a big unknown. It`s been a question of mine of law enforcement since Friday. We don`t know exactly where he was shot at this time.
[Casarez:] Which could be an important question. Because as we were discussing, if he`s shot at the front door and he`s allowing someone, opening his door to see who is there, it is one thing. Or if he`s shot further on in the home, that`s another thing. That could have been someone that he invited into the home. With us tonight is a very close friend, an attorney, but before that a family friend of this nationally known law professor that is now a murder victim himself. Allen Grossman is joining us. Sir, thank you.
[Allen Grossman, Friend:] Yes, Jean.
[Casarez:] First of all, tell us the last time that you spoke to your friend. What was going on in his life? How was he?
[Grossman:] He was like he always is, very much wrapped into the care and benefit of his children, very much concerned about things that were going on in the community. And in tune with the usual day-to-day things that we all are.
[Casarez:] What are people saying? I mean, this is a mystery. And this is just I don`t think someone can wrap their head around. What are you hearing?
[Grossman:] I think that`s the biggest issue most of us are just having a hard time wrapping our head around what seems to have happened. Dan was a vibrant member of our community. You couldn`t find a more devoted father. Obviously very dedicated to his career as well. And very active in his faith community.
[Casarez:] You know, so many times when an attorney is killed whether they`re a prosecutor or defense attorney, especially in the criminal law area, you`re wondering if there`s someone that wanted to get revenge about a way a case was prosecuted or defended. But this is a law professor. This is someone who teaches students. Is there any word that any of his students had something against him? A bad grade, not being able to go on and graduate and take the bar exam?
[Grossman:] I have not heard anything like that. I don`t have any reason to presume that. Of course, we all wonder at any number of things that could be possibilities. But I can`t venture a guess as to what that might be.
[Casarez:] Defense attorney Peter Odom, I`d love your thoughts on this. Because it was at this point we believe it was one shot to the head. So that is very targeted, very intent to kill, and a very fast and quick way to murder somebody.
[Odom:] And what the police will do, as I`m sure they`re doing now, is they start with people closest to the person killed and work out from there. Over 90 percent of murders such as this are committed by someone that`s known to the victim. And of course, the fact that there was no sign of forced entry here would support that theory.
[Casarez:] Dr. William Morrone, medical examiner, when we look at the crime scene in that home and they are working that crime scene, obviously fingerprints. What about the forensics, though, in that crime scene beyond fingerprints?
[Morrone:] The most important forensics are going to be how close was the gun to the head. That will be determined by char, stippling and a blood pattern. If he was shot from far away, that`s totally different than if he was shot from right next to his head. So the forensics and the actual gunshot wound critical.
[Casarez:] That`s very important. Now, why forensically, why do you think substantively that is important? Does it show an assassination? Does it show a greater intent to harm and kill? Or is it just something that forensically as a pathologist you`re interested in?
[Morrone:] Well, forensically we don`t know how many times he was shot. And if it happened to be some kind of random setup for theft and then somebody left, that would be best defended from something shot far away. If he was shot in an assassination style, it`s going to be very clear. And remember, he survived. Any shot lower separating the spinal cord from the brain would be instantaneous death. So his shot was probably behind the ears, somewhere up and then across.
[Casarez:] And the Tallahassee police department is really asking for your help tonight. They are getting tips. They say at this point they have about 50 tips. But they want to talk to anyone who was in that upscale area of Tallahassee, Florida in case they saw anything. So obviously they need help in solving this case. We`ll be right back. A 98-year-old wheelchair-bound woman is left alone in a sweltering truck for nearly five hours. Why? Her son reportedly leaves her while he goes to have some fun at the local casino.
[Unidentified Male:] After entering the garage at 1:42 in the afternoon, he didn`t come out of the casino until 7:25 in the evening. Police say while Dwight McGinnis was gambling, his mom was left behind in the vehicle for nearly five hours. Where a passerby called 911 for help after seeing McGinnis`s 98-year-old mother apparently locked alone in his red Ford truck.
[Casarez:] All right. Out to Cameron Thompson, reporter with All News 99.1 WNEW, Cameron, we talk about children left in the car, so vulnerable, so young, let`s not forget the elderly. Prosecutors are saying this is elder abuse of a felony nature. What do we know?
[Thompson:] Well, and actually to piggyback on this, police department who have handled this are saying this is the first time they`ve ever actually seen an elder person left in the car. They mentioned pets and kids before, but first time they had seen an older person left in the car. But as you said, as we know, 1:30 p.m., the man in question, Dwight McGinnis Jr., goes into the Maryland Live casino, leaves his car in the parking garage. And when he was in there, his 98-year-old mother was left in the car with only a can of soda and one of the windows partially cracked. The woman was in no condition to take care of herself and is wheelchair bound. Now, surveillance footage shows McGinnis never went back to check on his mother, and no one noticed she was in the car until about five hours later when that concerned citizen saw and called police. When they got on- site and paramedics got to the door, they said she was in pretty good shape considering, and didn`t have to be taken to the hospital, and she was picked up by a daughter who lives in the area and has since been taken there.
[Casarez:] Michael Christian, what I have heard police saying is that when they got to that car finally after five hours, that she was incoherent.
[Christian:] That`s right, Jean. They say that she was confused and she was originally not able to help them at all. To really understand what they were asking or help them in their investigation. However, once EMS arrived, they gave her some water, she apparently felt much better, and then she sort of regained her faculties and was able to tell them who her son was, gave them her son`s cell phone number. They called the son and he came to the scene roughly ten minutes later.
[Casarez:] Michael Christian, you and I talk about our mothers all the time. Your mother is in Illinois, my mother is with me in New York. And when I read this story, if I was a juror, I don`t think I could be an unbiased juror. This is a 98-year-old wheelchair-bound lady. She`s not able to get out of the car to get some air. She`s got to sit in the car. She can`t move for five hours to sit in her seat in the car. To lieutenant T.J. Smith joining us tonight from Annapolis, Maryland. He is the media relations officer with the police department. Thank you for joining us. When your officers arrived to the vehicle, we have heard that this 98- year-old lady was incoherent, she was dehydrated. There was an empty can of Coca-Cola there. Her son says it was hers. But who knows if she`s really the one that drank the Coca-Cola. She must have, though, gotten to a point where she was able to give your officers her son`s name.
[Smith:] Yes. Actually the officers got there and as they started speaking to her, she was extremely incoherent where she was rambling on about things and not making a lot of sense. They actually provided her with some water. She began to come around, became a little bit more coherent. She actually had a cell phone and she realized she had that cell phone, gave it to the officers. They found the son`s phone number. In turn they called him. When he got to the scene, as he said that he had been there to check on her. But it`s not appropriate, it never is. And the weather is actually secondary in this scenario. Yes, it was a hot day. It`s 80 something degrees in the mid-Atlantic area in the middle of July. It`s a hot day. Yes, it is. But a 98-year-old woman should never be left alone in a car for five hours anytime of the year period.
[Casarez:] And this son, Dwight McGinnis, who is now being charged in this, did release a statement to us saying that he believes this has been blown out of proportion and that she was not in distress. I`ve taken care of my mother for the last 11 years. Dr. William Morrone, that`s a scary thought right there. Because when did this happen before? When did other things allegedly happen to her? Dr. Morrone, we talk about children. But what about the elderly left alone in a hot car? This time for five hours?
[Morrone:] The elderly are just as susceptible. And you have to deal with dehydration, toileting, bladder and bowel hygiene, possible evaluation to critical medical events. But you`re also talking pressure sores and wounds in the skin from somebody that doesn`t move. And we measure six activities of daily living. Cleaning yourself, feeding yourself, moving yourself. She can`t do any of this. She`s stuck. And cracking a window is no excuse to leave anybody anywhere.
[Casarez:] Wendy Patrick, prosecutor, what about the duty? He is her caregiver. So that elevates him right there with that duty to care of his 98-year-old mother, which really even takes it more of a responsibility on his part.
[Patrick:] Absolutely, Jean. And I share the sentiment, outrage. I too have a mother whom I adore. And I can`t believe we`re talking about this kind of a case. We are all on hot car patrol officially this summer. Thank goodness that a bystander saw this. You have to wonder, have people been left in hot cars for the last however many years and we haven`t been paying attention? We`re sensitive to the issue right now. And we`re especially sensitive to it when as you mentioned you`re talking about a caregiver. This isn`t a case of forgetting that you`re giving somebody a ride or a stranger. This is somebody who is probably the primary caretaker for this woman. That is one of the things that investigators are looking at in deciding whether or not what charges are appropriate whether there are additional charges that we might see. And as investigation continues, you bet these are some of the questions that we`re going to be asking.
[Casarez:] Police rush to the scene after a 911 call comes in about a baby left alone in a car seat, wrapped in a blanket, trapped in a hot car. Yes, another baby left alone in a hot car. Where was the mother? We`ll tell you.
[Unidentified Female:] She parked next to a car with an unattended 6- month-old baby inside of it. I was just appalled that someone would leave a baby in the car in this heat by itself. Called 911 right away, worried for the child`s safety.
[Casarez:] Out to Stacy Newman, Nancy Grace producer. Okay, Stacy, this is the dollar store, and a lady, a patron is going to go in the dollar store, pulls up and she looks straight into the car, and there is this baby in the hot car, wrapped in a blanket. Where was the mother?
[Newman:] Well, Jean, this is incredible. This baby was in this parking lot, as you just said, the mother was nowhere to be found. The customer who pulled in and saw the baby in the car went inside the dollar general store and screamed out, if you left your baby in the car, I`m about to call 911. Nobody responded. She called police. Police came, got the baby, and then, Jean, the unbelievable thing is, the mom shows up over an hour later, after the baby was left in the car, and that`s when cops arrested her.
[Casarez:] And Stacy, the fact is, the mother had not even gone into the dollar store. She had gone to try to get a friend to give her some gas money, but there`s more to the story than just that, right?
[Newman:] Yes, Jean, she has this friend come to give her gas money. Then they leave the parking lot, as I said earlier, but here`s the thing. She has another child, Jean, a 1-year-old little girl. And she decided to take the 1-year-old off the premises with this friend, but leave the 6- month-old newborn alone in a sweltering hot car.
[Casarez:] All right. Heather Hansen, defense lawyer, I`m going to say right here that this woman needed help. She had two children, and there`s no excuse to leave your child in the car, period and final. She had two children, a 6-month-old and a 1-year-old, maybe it`s a little older than one, because if you look at the math, that`s a little hard to produce. But she couldn`t carry both of them. She chose and selected one to take with her and one to keep in the car. But isn`t this just a focus of women, single mothers, need help?
[Hansen:] Well, that`s absolutely part of the case. And we need to support and it has to be a community support for single mothers. This particular mother clearly needed some sort of help, and clearly had some sort of issue. When you leave a 6-month-old in a car on purpose, which seems to be the allegation, that there`s certainly something that the police are going to investigate. The question is whether she was aware that the child was in the car, whether she was low on sleep, didn`t have the correct support at home, but in any event, there`s got to be better support for these mothers, and there`s got to be a better understanding of the consequences of your actions when you leave these children in the car.
[Casarez:] Well, Heather Hansen, I think she was very well aware that the child was in the car, because Dr. William Morrone, she put the windows down a little bit, which is, I think, a very critical fact for prosecutors to show her state of mind, that she was trying to get some air in there. But here is what I want to ask you, Doctor. This was in Illinois, near the Ohio border, one of the hottest days of the year. She had the baby wrapped in a blanket. Who cares about the outside temperature? Even internal temperature in the car, to have the baby in the blanket? What does that do to that child`s inner core temperature?
[Morrone:] The blanket does not allow the baby to cool. So as the car heats up, and the baby needs to cool, it`s a double effect. It`s a double whammy. And 80, 90 degrees outside, 145, 155 degrees inside, the baby needs to be watched closely for critical changes and long-term behavioral health consequences.
[Casarez:] You know, the questions about the Cooper Harris case, they keep coming in on Facebook and Twitter. And thank you so much for sending questions to my Twitter and Facebook account. We want to share one from Donna K. Church, who is in Beaumont, Texas, who asked, was Cooper a planned baby or a surprise baby? Michael Christian, do you know the answer to that?
[Christian:] According to the Harris family friends, Cooper was very much a planned and wanted baby. This couple married in 2006. Cooper wasn`t born until 2012. And according to accounts, they definitely wanted to have that baby. And in fact, according to Justin Ross Harris` half- brother, Michael Badgens, they were also hoping to have a second child before Cooper turned 3. Now, he was 22 months at the time he died.
[Casarez:] And they were even looking into buying a larger home for that second child they were planning to have. Okay, Vanessa wants to know if the father had a desk or a cubicle at work at Home Depot. If so, every parent has a picture of their child at their office space. We don`t know if every parent does, but most of them do, right? She wants to know why Ross never looked at that picture. Michael Christian, do we have any answers there?
[Christian:] We do not know specifically what his work space was like. Home Depot has not released that information, nor have the police. However, it seems likely that he would have had some sort of memento of his son, because friends have said that Ross Harris was always bragging about Cooper, always talking about him, both before he was born and after he was born. So it certainly seems likely that he would have had something at his work space.
[Casarez:] All right. Thank you to all of our viewers and your questions. We remember tonight, American hero, Army Sergeant First Class, Joseph McKay. He was 51 years old from Brooklyn, New York. He was awarded the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Combat Action Badge. He loved helping others. He actually loved caring for the homeless. He leaves behind a large family, his mother, Sheila, 16 siblings, his daughter, Tiffany, his wife, Rose, and two sons. Joseph McKay, an American hero. A new photo, you`ve got to look at this, of Nancy`s twins, John and Lucy, with their grandma, Elizabeth, on the pier after dinner. Isn`t that beautiful? And here is one of Nancy and John David. Look at that. Enjoying the afternoon sun. And a special thank you to Ms. Swellen for giving John and Nancy a ride. For more pictures, go to nancygrace.com. Dr. Drew is coming up next. Good night, everybody. END

[Announcer:] Tonight, on UNGUARDED WITH RACHEL NICHOLS, unparalleled. LeBron James reveals the man behind the player.
[Lebron James, Nba Star:] When I'd win a play-off game when I was younger, I was excited. Out of my mind. You would lose and I was the worst person in the world.
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[Unidentified Male:] And now Kurt Busch up in the ninth spot.
[Kurt Busch, Nascar Driver:] Do 1,100 miles in one day, there's going to be the mental challenge, the physical challenge.
[Announcer:] Unmatched. One of the NFL's best players makes the catch of the year.
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[Rachel Nichols:] Welcome to UNGUARDED. From one of the most competitive postseasons in recent memory to the daily soap opera of Donald Sterling and the Clippers, there is no sport getting more attention right now than the NBA, and there's no one more qualified to talk about it all than LeBron James. This days, the NBA's best player has also become one of its most influential leaders, and we sat down to discuss how, as he nears 30, he has grown up right in front of us. Of course, this is the playoffs, so there is also the matter of LeBron's Miami Heat trying to close out the Indiana Pacers tonight.
[Unidentified Male:] He has not disappointed. Big bad. Get back the no call. He missed it and that will end the game. So we look at game six.
[Nichols:] So, what have you learned over the years about closeout games, because it is always so hard to match the desperation of a team that is fighting for its playoff life?
[James:] It is very difficult. This is always the hardest game, but you come in with the same mind-set as you did when you wanted to win the first one, wanted to win the second one, wanted to win the third one. You understand that the team is trying to save their lives and play with a lot of desperation. And you see that.
[Nichols:] When you think back to your early playoff days, early conference finals, the finals against the Spurs that you played, what's the difference between LeBron James and what you knew then versus now?
[James:] I'm just a smarter, more seasoned basketball player. More veteran. I mean, I've been in it so many times that I kind of know what to expect. For me at a younger age, I was never even keel. You know, I would win a playoff game, when I was younger, I was excited, out of my mind. And you would lose, and I was the worst person in the world.
[Nichols:] Do you ever look or see old tape of yourself at that age and think, "Oh, boy"?
[James:] Absolutely, absolutely. He had a lot to learn, but the guy here today is still learning, as well, so I think the best teacher in life is experience.
[Nichols:] You're not a prodigy anymore. You spent the first five or six years of your career identified as the young one. Now you've got the Kevin Durants of the world coming up. What is it like to feel that difference, to feel that, "OK, I'm not the one trying to get people ahead of me, but there's guys nipping at my heels"?
[James:] Well, I mean, it's definitely different for me, because I spent so many years in the adolescent stage, and you kind of just go with the process. And you understand that there's always going to be guys before you and after you. Right now in the present I just take care of what I can. Control what I can and being a part of this franchise and a part of this team and being a leader of the team, you try to put us in a position to help us succeed. At the same time, I understand you see those guys, those younger guys coming for you, for sure.
[Nichols:] And you had Kevin Durant out to your place in Akron to train with you?
[James:] Man, we just got done lifting.
[Unidentified Male:] Exactly.
[James:] Putting in work in the weight room.
[Nichols:] You've given advice to Paul George. Is there ever a point in the back of your head somewhere, say, when you see K.D. win the MVP and you were clearly the other guy who could have won it, you say, "Maybe I shouldn't have helped my competition like that"?
[James:] No, absolutely not. You know, absolutely not. I feel like, you know, me playing the game is a small token of what I have to give to this game. You know, me giving my knowledge to guys, younger guys coming up after me, you know, I have no problem with doing it, you know, because I'm not going to be able to play this game, you know, forever. Even if I'm competing against these guys, you know, for I'm not going to give them tips where I'm competing against them, you know, but at the same tie I don't mind lending a hand. Me and K.D., man. Just trying to get better, man.
[Nichols:] Did Michael Jordan, did anybody do that for you?
[James:] No.
[Nichols:] Does that surprise you, now that you are at that stage?
[James:] No, I think it's who you are. I mean, you can't expect for someone to do something that they're not comfortable with or not accustomed to doing. I think for me it just came naturally.
[Nichols:] You've taken on more responsibility as you've gotten older in general. Most recently you spoke about the Donald Sterling issue.
[Donald Sterling, Co-owner, L.a. Clippers:] I'm not a racist, but those words came out of my mouth, I guess.
[James:] We talked about a lot. I think the most important thing that we understand is that Adam Silver is moving forward. You know, he's not just for the owners, he's for the players, as well. And the direction that they're going in, we're all for it. So we look forward to the next step, and we'll go from there.
[Nichols:] And you're expanding your reach off the court, as well. You're set to be in not just one but a couple different movies during the off-season.
[Unidentified Male:] Did you get the check I sent. I did. Hope it was enough.
[James:] It wasn't.
[Nichols:] What made you decide you were going to take a hand at this.
[James:] It's just something that I have a lot of fun with. Obviously, I've watch a lot of movies over my life, and to be able to join the cast of so many great actors and actresses that they do on an everyday basis. So we'll see what I have to give.
[Nichols:] Are you going to be as good at that as you are playing basketball?
[James:] No, I know what my day job is. Well, we know how "Space Jam" worked out for Michael Jordan, so we're going to have to see how LeBron does. All right. Stick with us, because we have a fascinating mix of stories tonight. Up next, we're going to get a firsthand account of what it's like to compete in two different professional sporting events in one day.
[Busch:] That's the part of doing 1,100 miles, and executing perfectly all day. It's tough to do.

[Cuomo:] Did you know that sports history was made on Monday when for the first time ever, a World Series game and "Monday Night Football" were held in the same city at the same time?
[Bolduan:] Talk about traffic.
[Cuomo:] Kate Bolduan knew. Andy Scholes told me, so I know as well. Part of this morning's "Bleacher Report." Andy, history.
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] Yes. You know, it's a cool deal for St. Louis, got both the World Series and "Monday Night Football." But it's also a little it was unfortunate for the Rams, because arguably, their biggest game of the season came on the same night that the Cardinals were playing the Red Sox in game five. The Edward Jones Dome is only about 65 percent full for "Monday Night Football." But in spite not having a great home field advantage, the Rams only down one in the third quarter. That's when Russell Wilson hooked up with Golden Tatum. Check this out, guys. Hey, not very sportsman like here. He's going to wave goodbye to the defenders as he goes in for the 80-yard touchdown. He received a taunting penalty for that. Now, the Rams had a chance to win this on the final play of the game, but that pass right there. It goes incomplete. Seahawks win 14-9, making it a really, really rough night for St. Louis fans. All right. Lebron and the Heat will tip off the NBA season tonight with a doubleheader on TNT. Miami and Chicago get things started at 8:00 eastern. That's followed by the Clippers and Lakers at 10:30. And coming up in the eight o'clock hour, NBA analyst, Greg Anthony, will join NEW DAY for a complete preview of this upcoming NBA season. And guys, I got to tell you, this is my favorite time of year.
[Bolduan:] When every season is happening at the same time?
[Scholes:] Every sport. Something to watch every night.
[Bolduan:] That's good. Me, too. Thanks, Andy.
[Cuomo:] Good to have you.
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[Bolduan:] Two down, two to go. A pair of escaped inmates in Oklahoma recaptured, but two others still on the loose as we get new details on the dramatic jail break.
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[Foster:] Authorities in Spain and Belgium are dealing with two cases of homegrown terrorism. The alleged leader of a militant cell with ties to ISIS is in custody. Mohamed Said Mohamed in the Spanish territory of Melilla in northern Morocco. Nima Elbagir joins us from the Spanish enclave with more details on this. Do we know about this problem in that area?
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Spanish authorities say, Max, that 51 Spaniards, many from here in Melilla, have made their way to Iraq and Syria to fight alongside ISIS. In fact, the Spanish judge, when he read out his five-page ruling regarding the continued remanding in custody of Mohamed Said, said that he believed that two of the alleged cell members from here in Melilla are already on their way to Syria and Iraq, had actually escaped capture. The concern, of course, is that Melilla is where Europe meets Africa. This is a huge point of vulnerability in so-called fortress Europe. It's best known, of course, for those famous pictures of sub-Saharan migrants storming that perimeter fence that separates Melilla from the rest of northern Morocco. It really gives you a sense of how much worry is building up, not just in Spain, but across Europe. We spoke with some of those refugees detained here at the center here in Melilla about how they came up into Melilla from Algiers, from Morocco, and they all tell a very similar tale. They say that they were able to obtain falsified Moroccan passports. They got through the legitimate crossing point, and then they claimed asylum here in Melilla. And that's got to be very, very worrying for the authorities in Europe, and very, very worrying given that the Moroccan authorities, the Interior Ministry, have said that they believe 1500 to 2,000 Moroccans have made their way to fight alongside ISIS, Max.
[Foster:] And an indication of how closely authorities in multiple countries, multiple agencies are actually working together right now on this threat.
[Elbagir:] This was a joint Spanish-Moroccan operation. So, the alleged cell leader, Mohamed Said, was picked up here in Melilla, and then eight more were picked up across the border in Morocco, in Nador. And this isn't the first one. There have been four separate operations and 24 arrests. This isn't even the first time Mohamed Said was picked up. There have been allegations for a while that he's been involved in other criminal activities. But everyone we speak to, whether on the Moroccan side or here on the Spanish side, they're saying the same thing, Max. It's not enough. We are not able to do enough. There needs to be a greater cooperation and a greater recognizability of the recognition of the fact that Melilla is such a point of vulnerability. And just going back to that point of what we've been hearing from the refugees, that route that they described to us, coming up from Algeria, through Morocco, and then here to Melilla. That's the same route that many of these alleged ISIS militants are believed to be taking in the opposite direction to Syria and Iraq. And it's also the route that Jund al-Khilafah, the Algerian militant group that's allied itself with ISIS, that's the route they're threatening to take up here towards Europe. So, this really is increasingly becoming a bigger focal point for the fight against militancy, Max.
[Foster:] Nima, thank you very much, indeed. And on that note, it's being called one of the biggest terror trials that Belgium has ever seen. Nearly four dozen people are facing charges for terrorism-related activity there. Many are accused of belonging to an extremist group called Sharia4Belgium. Atika Shubert has the details of the trial.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Max, this is one of the first major trials to actually target those fighters traveling from Europe into Syria and Iraq. There are 46 defendants in all, so it's a big case. But only 10 showed up in court today, and that's because the rest of them are either still fighting out there or are believed to have been killed in the conflict. Now, we had a chance to speak with the father of one of those fighters who has returned and is now testifying in court. Take a listen.
[Shubert:] Islamist fighters in Syria, but speaking Flemish, easily identifying them as Belgian. The government estimates that more than 300 Belgian fighters like these have traveled to Syria to join the ranks of militant groups like ISIS. Nearly a quarter of those are believed to have links to this man, Fouad Belkacem, the head of Sharia4Belgium, a banned Islamic extremist group based in Antwerp. Now, Belkacem is the main suspect in the country's biggest terror trial, accused of leading a terrorist organization and recruiting young Muslims to its cause. The father of one recruit says Belkacem brainwashed his son into joining a cult.
[Dimitri Bontnick, Father Of Jihadist Recruit:] He prepared them to make the jihad in conflict areas like Syria. It's like a kind of drug, like an injection in your arm.
[Shubert:] Dimitri Bontnick's anger is understandable. His son, Jejoen, was recruited by Sharia4Belgium at just 16 years old. In their videos, he is seated next to Belkacem and is featured as one of their most popular street preachers in Antwerp. But Jejoen was no ordinary recruit. He eventually traveled to Syria, joining Majilis as-Shura al-Mujahidin, a group of foreign fighters ultimately absorbed by ISIS. After nearly a year inside, his father tracked him down in Syria and convinced him to come home and, incredibly, to tell Belgian police everything he knew about jihadist recruitment to Syria, despite death threats from former Sharia4Belgium members.
[Bontnick:] My son gave very good cooperation. He told the truth, how he was influenced by this sect. Because he's the golden crown witness. Without my son, they have nothing today.
[Shubert:] Now Jejoen is a key witness against Belkacem, even as he faces charges himself of being a member of a terrorist organization. But Dimitri Bontnick insists Belkacem is not the only one to blame. So, do you blame Belkacem?
[Bontnick:] I don't blame only Belkacem. I blame the Western governments also, because they have blood on their hands also.
[Shubert:] Because they didn't arrest him?
[Bontnick:] They didn't arrest Belkacem. They know that the Belkacem was recruiting and selecting Western children. If there was no Sharia4Belgium, my son would never have been gone to Syria. There is no doubt about this. Let us be clear about this.
[Shubert:] CNN has attempted to contact Sharia4Belgium and Belkacem's lawyer. We have not received a response. But over the next few days and weeks, his story will unfold in court. Now, Fouad Belkacem faces up to 15 years maximum, and Jejoen Bontnick could get 5 years. But we don't expect a verdict for about another month yet. Max?
[Foster:] Atika Shubert, there. Now, live from Abu Dhabi, you're watching CONNECT THE WORLD. Do stay with us. Your Parting Shots are next.

[Baldwin:] We are now officially in week number four of the hunt for Flight 370 and we've only just learned that the final word spoken from the cockpit were not "All right, good night," but "Good night, Malaysian 370." Just another confusing walk back by Malaysia here. Each new lead bringing more mystery. CNN'S Amy La Porte takes a look at the timeline of the twists and turns since the plane first vanished from the radar. [Begin Videotape]
[Amy La Porte, Cnn Correspondent:] On March 8 at 12:41 a.m., Malaysia Airline Fight 370 takes off from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board. It's bound for Beijing, but it never arrives.
[Erin Burnett, Host, Cnn's "outfront":] It was expected to land at 6:30 a.m. local time. That plane is two-and-a-half hours late.
[La Porte:] March 9, two men registered as passengers come forward saying they were not on the plane. Their passports were stolen.
[Jake Tapper, Host, Cnn's "the Lead":] We've known that at least two passengers were traveling with stolen passports raising fears that terrorism may be involve.
[La Porte:] As for the search, the Gulf of Thailand in the South China Sea comes up empty. March 11, Interpol identified the two passengers who used the stolen passports. Iranian nationals, the ruling, no connection to terrorism. Then an explosive development, we learned that Flight 370 made a mysterious turn to the west.
[Wolf Blitzer, Host, Cnn's "the Situation Room":] Was the missing plane deliberately flown towards that remote island chain in the Indian Ocean?
[La Porte:] March 15, Malaysia's prime minister confirms Flight 370 flew for about seven hours after its final transmission. This news enough to end the search in the South China Sea expanding the search zone some 4500 miles. The question now, how far could this plane have gone? March 16, the focus turns to the two pilots. Authorities raid their homes. Confiscating the flight simulator owned by the captain. March 20, our first satellite pictures of two objects.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] The prime minister saying they have found objects that they believe to be credible.
[La Porte:] The next day, March 21, lines are drawn around a section of the Southern Indian Ocean. A possible crash site in one of the most hostile places on earth.
[Tony Abbott, Australian Prime Minister:] It's the most inaccessible spot you can imagine on the face of the earth.
[La Porte:] This would be the first of many satellite sightings. French satellites, Thai sightings and more from the Chinese. Each possible debris heading nowhere. March 24, the Malaysian prime minister calls an unscheduled press briefing.
[Najib Razak, Malaysian Prime Minister:] Flight MH-370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean.
[La Porte:] With no evidence of the plane itself, a text message went out from Malaysia Airlines confirming the prime minister's grim announcement. None of those on board survived. The news just too much for the grief-stricken families. Some lashing out at the media. Others fainting and taken out on stretchers. March 28, three weeks into the search after days of scouring the section of the Southern Indian Ocean, search crews find out they have been looking in the wrong spot.
[Baldwin:] The search zone today shifting by hundreds of miles.
[La Porte:] As soon as the search moved, possible debris is spotted and another, more and more sightings, most turning out to be trash. As the satellite and visual sightings come in and the search continues, the world is still waiting for the words, the plane has been found. Amy La Porte, CNN, Atlanta.
[Baldwin:] Amy, thank you. Bad weather made it tough for these pilots searching for the missing plane. CNN's Martin Savidge and pilot trainer, Mitchell Casado join me inside the flight simulator. So guys, can you show me when you talk about these bad conditions, what's it like flying low?
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. We can. I mean, you know, we will simulate it as best we can. What's neat about this simulator is that it actually ties into the weather so that it knows what the weather conditions are in any part of the world where you can program it. We have essentially taken off from Perth and headed west in the direction of what would be this new search area. Now the simulator has replicated the weather conditions. We should point out, of course, it is night time there, but for the purposes of visualizing it, we made it daylight. When you look at this word about it, it's 2,000 feet up.
[Mitchell Casado, Pilot Trainer:] We are 2,000 feet up, 177 miles out from Perth directly west. Nothing but ocean.
[Savidge:] If you look out on the horizon, it's difficult to where the ocean ends if you will and the sky picks up. It's very mixed. I will point out, why don't you take us down lower, Mitchell? The weather conditions like this, it is not that bad, you don't have the blinding sun hitting your face. You instead have more of a gray-like cloud cover overhead. That diffuses the light and allows it to be less harsh bouncing back. If you are looking by the naked eye which in many cases that's what they are doing. Not terrible conditions. There is light rain and at times it can be obscuring by the rain. Otherwise, certainly conditions could be worse. This again is what the simulator is replicating what it knows are the weather conditions. We are talking about fatigue. You are looking out at something like this. There is a relative fatigue you can get.
[Casado:] You are staring at a style and it's like flying over the arctic with a lot of snow with white out conditions. You can't discern the horizon from anything else. We take frequent shifts, 30 minutes, 45 minutes max. You get in.
[Savidge:] If you drop it down on the deck and you see the sense of speed and the other factor that comes into play, search aircraft are not going to moving at a tremendous high speed because otherwise the terrain and everything else will whiz by you so quickly you haven't been able to get a good assertation of what it was you saw. Again this is simulating the sky conditions and you can see from here and know with the camera, it may not look the same. A good distance here as you look out on the water with these conditions, very interesting.
[Baldwin:] Sure at least we know that the conditions once they establish that new search area the conditions have been better, closer to land, to maximize flight times to look for possible debris. Gentlemen, thank you as always, Martin and Mitch. We appreciate that. Coming up, as we learn the actual last words from Flight 370. We are being told there was, quote, "Nothing sinister" in the conversations between the pilots and air traffic controller. So why not release the entire transcripts? There may be a very good answer to that. Also ahead as fears rise, Russia is getting ready for more action here against Ukraine. Moscow reportedly beefing up the presence along the Ukrainian border. Live picture, CNN is there for a firsthand look. Do not miss this next live shot.

[Lemon:] Three national Greek organizations calling for an apology and the immediate reinstatement of all fraternities and sororities on the University of Virginia campus. Last month, UVA shut down all Greek operations in the wake of an explosive "Rolling Stone" article detailing a brutal gang rape at a fraternity house. But now discrepancies in the alleged victim's account are being brought to the surface. And "Rolling Stone" magazine is apologizing for running the article without getting the other side of the story. The attorney for UVA's Phi Kappa Psi fraternity tells CNN that several details in the article are just wrong. He says records show there was no party the night Jackie claims she was attacked, there's also no side staircase inside the frat house, which the article states Jackie walked down after the attack, and the frat brother who allegedly brought her there was never even a member of Phi Kappa Psi. John Foubert is the former assistant dean at UVA and a professor at Oklahoma State University. And John, the alleged victim still stands by her story, "Rolling Stone" has retracted the article so should fraternities and sororities be allowed to operate on campus again?
[John Foubert, Professor, Oklahoma State University:] Well, I don't believe "Rolling Stone" retracted the article, I believe that they put a statement on it that questions some parts of the original reporting. But when the University of Virginia told the fraternities and sororities not to operate until the end of the semester, essentially, that was one week between Thanksgiving and final exams so, no, they absolutely should not reinstate operations and I think it's patently offensive for national fraternity to demand an apology after it there's substantial evidence that a gang rain occurred in their house now and frankly someone went to prison for a gang rape in that house years ago. So, I find it deeply offensive.
[Lemon:] Do you think that witnesses their accounts or cases are being swept under the rug, John?
[Foubert:] Do I think accounts of witnesses are being swept under the rug?
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Foubert:] By whom?
[Lemon:] Just by the university or maybe even by "Rolling Stone"?
[Foubert:] Well, no, I don't think "Rolling Stone" is sweeping anything under the rug. I think, you know, I think one of the members of the board of visitors at the University of Virginia publicly said that they were sweeping things under the rug for a long time, paraphrase of her statement. But I think we need to be honest about the problem of rape on college campuses and that the other thing is we have to stop assuming that if there's a different way a survivor tells a story at different times that that somehow that means that she's lying. If it, you know, if I told you and I told two other reporters the same story, I'm going to tell it a slightly different way based on the questions I'm asked. Just because someone tells some minor details of the story a little differently at different times that doesn't mean they're lying. That, frankly, means they're human.
[Lemon:] Can I ask you, because we're just getting this that Emily, who is a suitemate of Jackie, is now writing in the student newspaper and is saying that she believes she said "I fully support Jackie and I believe whole heartedly that she went through a traumatizing sexual assault." I remember my first semester here, I remember Jackie's. And then she goes on. So she has support from her suite mate who knew her during the time that this happened.
[Foubert:] Right. So, she has that support and I think that's evidence for her case, certainly, that, you know, someone who lived with her, saw that there was a trauma that happened right afterwards. I mean that's certainly not a surprise.
[Lemon:] Well, it's new. I mean her suitemate is now writing for the first time. And speaking out for the first time. I wanted to get your reaction on that. So what kind of damage, though, does this story do to other victims, if at all? Victims of sexual assault?
[Foubert:] Well, it does lots of damage in the sense that what women are so hesitant to do is to come forward and say "This is what happened to me." And when you see a survivor who is honest about what happened and the national fraternity attacks her and then other reporters attack her and it seems like the whole world is ganging up on her, the message that sends to survivors is "Shut up and don't say anything." And we need to stop saying that message. We need to create an environment where it's OK to say I was gang raped, I need help. So I think all of the noise around right now questioning her account is just it's silliness but it's also deeply tragic.
[Lemon:] Thank you, John Foubert, I appreciate it.
[Foubert:] Thank you.
[Lemon:] Still to come, on the issue of race, progress has been made in the U.S. Those words coming from President Obama even as he acknowledges there's still work to be done. But how will his words be received by the American public? We'll talk about that next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Our politics lead, do you think there aren't enough Republicans running for president? Well, OK. Two more, how do you like that, joining the crowded Republican field today in the race for the White House. Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina and neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson officially announcing today they are indeed running for president, with former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who you might recall won the Republican Iowa caucuses in 2008, expected to declare his candidacy tomorrow. CNN's chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash, joins us live now with all the latest developments. Dana, do Republican officials think that either Fiorina or Carson could actually gain traction?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] In the short term, probably not. But I think what is fascinating is, you just talked about six. Of the six so far, two Hispanics, one black candidate and one woman. It's a far cry for from what you're used to seeing during Republican presidential primary debates, a GOP stage almost entirely of white men.
[Bash:] A black choir in Detroit singing the songs of rapper Eminem, not exactly what comes to mind when you think Republican presidential announcement, but that's exactly what it was.
[Ben Carson , Presidential Candidate:] I'm Ben Carson, and I'm a candidate for president of the United States.
[Bash:] In a more subdued, but hardly subtle, online video, Carly Fiorina became the only woman in the 2016 GOP field by taking direct aim at the woman on the Democratic side.
[Carly Fiorina , Presidential Candidate:] Our founders never intended to us have a professional political class.
[Bash:] A pair of presidential campaign kickoffs, notable not because they're front-runners, but because they're even running at all. Neither has ever been elected to public office. Ben Carson, a son of a single mother with a third grade education, who became a world renowned pediatric neurosurgeon
[Carson:] I do have a lot of experience in solving problems, complex surgical problems that have never been done by anybody before.
[Bash:] Carson was largely apolitical until his highly political speech just two years ago at the National Prayer Breakfast criticizing Obamacare.
[Carson:] We spent a lot of money on health care, twice as much per capita as anybody else in the world, and yet not very efficient.
[Bash:] That catapulted Carson into Republican superstardom, but the staunch conservative also became notorious for controversial remarks, arguing homosexuality is a choice.
[Carson:] A lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight, and, when they come out, they're gay.
[Bash:] He later apologized, but today owned his gaffes.
[Carson:] I'm probably never going to be politically correct, because I'm not a politician.
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] Thank you, Carly, for being here.
[Bash:] Carly Fiorina's only political experience was advising presidential candidate John McCain...
[Fiorina:] Government does not create jobs.
[Bash:] ... and running unsuccessfully for Senate in California in 2010. She has an American dream story, too, a secretary who rose so far in corporate America, she became the first female CEO of a Fortune 100 company, Hewlett-Packard. Her biggest applause line for conservatives, nominate her and you take the first female president thing off the table for Hillary Clinton.
[Fiorina:] Like Hillary Clinton, I, too, have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles around the globe, but, unlike Mrs. Clinton, I know that flying is an activity, not an accomplishment.
[Bash:] But being a former corporate executive comes with baggage. She lead off tens of thousands of workers, but when she was forced out, she left with more than $20 million in severance. Now, at this point, neither Carly Fiorina nor Ben Carson is registering much in the polls of what will be a very crowded Republican field. Both are in single digits, barely. But, Jake, long-shot candidates are often sometimes very impactful in ways that we don't expect, primarily because they don't have a lot to lose.
[Tapper:] That's right. And we should note that Dr. Carson's mother, Sonya, who you mentioned in that piece, is very ill. And obviously our thoughts and prayers go out to...
[Bash:] And he's not going on the campaign trail. He's going to Texas to be with her.
[Tapper:] Yes. Well, best of luck to her and our thoughts and prayers with them. Let's make a deeper dive into the White House race. CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist Donna Brazile joins us now, as does Bill Kristol, editor of the publication "The Weekly Standard." Bill, candidly, what do you make of either Fiorina or Carson?
[Bill Kristol, Editor, "the Weekly Standard":] I like them both. I think they will add a lot to the race. I think they're each is unlikely to be the nominee.
[Tapper:] What are they going to add to the race?
[Kristol:] Well, Ben Carson actually is one of the leading neurosurgeons in the country, knows a lot about health care, and has a very impressive life story, which he can reflect on. Carly Fiorina, CEO of a major company, a very articulate spokeswoman for conservative views. So, it's good the Republicans we have Democrats should have some diversity. That's a problem. A bunch of people between 65 and...
[Donna Brazile, Cnn Political Analyst:] We have a lot of diversity.
[Kristol:] A whole bunch of white people between 65 and 70. I think it's a real problem for the Democratic Party.
[Tapper:] Donna, as we saw in Dana's spot, Carly Fiorina really trying to position herself as the anti-Hillary, and in fact recently she told an interviewer that she can take on former Secretary of State Clinton because: "I am a woman. There are many things she can't say. She can't play the gender card. She can't talk about being the first woman's president. She can't talk about the war on women." Do you agree? Does she offer that as a as a quality that the others don't?
[Brazile:] But, you know, on the other on the flip side, Carly Fiorina cannot talk about many of the issues that Hillary Clinton can talk about in terms of foreign policy, and talk in terms of the economy. She can't talk about the role that she played in helping New York City recover after that horrific attack on 911. So, I don't think this is about woman on woman, that this is it's much larger than that, but clearly what Hillary Clinton can talk about is the future. She can talk about the economy. And I hope that Carly Fiorina will also talk about those issues.
[Tapper:] And, Bill, Ben Carson is very, very religious. And this is a big part of his pitch and when he talks to people, his relationship with Jesus, and how important God is is that his base that he's going I mean, I know that he holds those views sincerely, but are those his base voters, conservative Christians?
[Kristol:] I think to some degree, but I think it's very good that he's running, because no one can say he's one of these know-nothing religious conservatives who doesn't know anything about science. The guy is one of the leading neurosurgeons in the world, and has been, and has run a whole department at Johns Hopkins. So, I'm happy to have him in the race. And it's good that Donna's defending Hillary here.
[Brazile:] Of course. I will defend her every day, but I will defend Bernie Sanders and any number of other Democrats if they decide to toss their hat in the ring. You know, what I like about Dr. Carson clearly, I will not be supporting him, but I have met him on one or two occasions. He's very passionate, not just about faith, but also about community. And I hope that he will get an opportunity to talk about these issues in the Republican primary, because the Republicans need this conversation, not just on faith. There are many preachers in that congregation. And when I mean preachers, I'm talking about those who know the Bible, but there are not many Republican candidates who could actually talk about what's going on in communities like Baltimore. And I think Dr. Carson will be a much needed voice for that conversation.
[Tapper:] He does have an amazing life story.
[Brazile:] Absolutely.
[Tapper:] Let's turn to the Democrats and the other side of the aisle. The questions about Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation have continued today. I want you to take a listen to what former President Bill Clinton had to say to NBC about his foundation accepting foreign donations while his wife was secretary of state.
[Bill Clinton, Former President Of The United States:] I don't think there's anything sinister in trying to get wealthy people in countries that are seriously involved in development to spend their money wisely in a way that helps poor people and lifts them up. I don't think there's anything bad with that. I think it's good.
[Tapper:] I think it's good. Donna, this controversy, though, doesn't seem to be going away.
[Brazile:] Well, hopefully, there's no controversy about helping poor people, allowing wealthy people to give back to society, and give back on a global scale. That is what the Clinton Foundation is about. President Clinton has chosen to use his celebrity and his power to empower others to give back and to reach to those who don't have resources. So, I support the foundation. I'm one of those $100 donors. So, don't go out and start a foundation any time soon. But I support what they're doing, because he's reaching into places that others have forgotten.
[Tapper:] Bill, you're shaking your head.
[Kristol:] No, the foundation is a big problem. There's huge conflicts of interest, and there are reasons that other secretaries of state have not set up foundations that their husband and daughter are running, where huge contributions are coming from foreign governments, which then those government have business at least pending before the State Department. I am struck my colleague Daniel Halper put it this way. The Hillary Clinton campaign is like a movie that you have paid good money to attend. You pay your $12. You sit you're a third of the way through and you realize, uh, this is really a bad movie. But you sort of pay the money, you hate to leave. So, you say, I will just stay a little longer. And you stay another third of the movie. And then it gets too late to leave. And they are stuck. They're a third of the way through this bad movie and it's getting worse.
[Brazile:] Well, no.
[Kristol:] And will anyone and where is Elizabeth Warren to save us to save us from Hillary Clinton?
[Brazile:] Bill, Bill, Bill...
[Kristol:] That's what I ask you, Donna.
[Brazile:] This is the Republicans trying to find some juice and drippings from a book where there is no gravy. So they're trying to make innuendoes where there's no there's fire where there is no smoke. So I'm sorry that we don't have the controversy that you guys love.
[Tapper:] Juice and drippings and fire. Bill Kristol, Donna Brazile, we appreciate it. Thank you so much as always. Coming up, a New York University student held in North Korea. Our own CNN correspondent is inside the country digging to learn details about his detention. And no need to hack Pay Per View. Instead, thousands saw the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight for free thanks to new live streaming apps. But will they be punished? That's ahead.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Small town Iowa turns into big time media circus. This was the low-key listening tour from Hillary Clinton. Wow. Not so low key. This morning, new insight into what her candidacy will look like this time. That is as Republican rivals make some big moves today. New complications for nuclear negotiations with Iran, the White House conceding to Congress that Congress will have a say, will get to weigh in on the nuclear negotiations. What does that mean for the prospects of the deal? We'll tell you ahead. Yemen in crisis, weeks of war leaving that country devastated. CNN got a remarkable exclusive look at the devastation. An attempted aid mission, we're live. Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. I'm John Berman. Christine Romans is not feeling well this morning. It's 31 minutes past the hour. Happening this morning, the Hillary storm moves deeper into Iowa. The campaign wants this, a low-key series of listening events. Well, it's getting that but so much more. There is also this, the media frenzy. Reporters forced to chase the small Clinton caravan as it drives around the corner in her so-called Scooby van. A key question, though, what do voters think of this? How is it playing in Iowa? Senior political correspondent, Brianna Keilar is there Brianna.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior Political Correspondent:] Good morning, John and Christine. Hillary Clinton will spend her second day of campaigning at a fruit company outside of Des Moines. This is after all a state where agriculture is king. This follows yesterday where she visited Leclair, a small town of less than 4,000 people. She stopped at a coffee shop. Talked to some locals there and then she was on to have a round table at the satellite campus of the Kirkwood Community College. She talked with students and faculty. She struck a populist tone taken on Wall Street and stagnant middle class wages.
[Hillary Clinton , Presidential Candidate:] The deck is still stacked at those in favor at the top. There's something wrong with that. There is something wrong when CEOs make 300 times more than the typical worker. There's something wrong when American workers keep getting more productive, that productivity is not matched in their paychecks.
[Keilar:] The only policy position Hillary Clinton outlined was a proposal to do away with what she called unaccountable money so super PACs and the big donors who have proliferated along with them. No word, though, she did not explain how that would square with Priorities USA, the Democratic super PAC that she has blessed to help her in her run.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Brianna in Iowa. Meanwhile, Republican presidential contender, Marco Rubio, holds his first campaign event today pushing a plan for tax reform. The senator spent Tuesday in Washington working on Senate business and speaking to CNN's Jake Tapper. A really interesting interview, he said that Hillary Clinton is not entitled to the women's vote any more than he is entitled to the Hispanic vote.
[Sen. Marco Rubio , Presidential Candidate:] I would never assume that every Hispanic in America has to vote for me because I'm Hispanic, because my last name is Rubio. I have to earn their support. That may intrigue them about my candidacy, but ultimately I have to prove that I'm the right person for the job.
[Berman:] Now tied with Senator Rubio right now for sixth place in the latest CNN poll is New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who is not so far an official candidate. So why is he in New Hampshire, the first primary state of the nation? Well, he's no doubt trying to build support for a presidential run with what he is calling his tell it like it is tour.
[Governor Chris Christie , New Jersey:] I will not pander. I will not flip-flop and I'm not afraid to tell you the truth as I see it, whether you like it or not. I want to help lead a national conversation that rewards truth over pandering.
[Berman:] Later today, the governor holds the first of two New Hampshire town halls set for this week. He promises many more. New this morning, the nuclear deal, not with Iran exactly but with Congress. A compromise bill that lets Congress weigh in on any final agreement between the U.S. and Iran, a bill the White House says the president is willing to sign. The legislation passed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously. CNN's Jim Acosta is at the White House with the latest.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] The White House is giving up on its fight with Congress over a bipartisan bill that would give lawmakers the ability to vote up or down on the Iran nuclear deal after Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee crafted a compromise bill. Dropping some provisions that were opposed by the White House, aides to the president said it was a measure Mr. Obama could support. At issue is whether the bill would force Iran to renounce terrorism, a provision the White House deemed a poison pill aimed at killing the nuclear talks. The amount of time lawmakers would have to weigh in on the deal was also shortened meeting another White House demand. After repeated questions from reporters, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest acknowledged that the changes brokered by the committee's chairman, Bob Corker, and ranking member, Ben Cardin were enough to withdraw the veto threat. Here's what he had to say.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] What I am willing to say is that despite the things about it that we don't like, enough substantial changes have been made that the president would be willing to sign it because it would reflect the kind of compromise that he'd be willing to sign.
[Acosta:] But Chairman Corker said there was another reason why the White House dropped its veto threat that Republicans and Democrats were on the verge of lining up enough votes to override a presidential veto. Corker tweeted the simple fact is that the White House dropped its veto threat because they weren't going to have enough votes to sustain a veto.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Jim Acosta at the White House. Now from the White House, President Obama submitted an official request to Congress to remove Cuba from a list of state sponsors of terrorism. The Cuban government called the move a just decision. Lawmakers now have 48 days to review the request are not expected to block it. If Cuba comes off that list, sanctions most of them would remain in place, but U.S. businesses and banks would be more likely more inclined to invest in the Cuban market. Breaking overnight, the Senate came together to approve the so-called Medicare Doc Fix and the final vote is 92-8. The measure repairs the formula for reimbursing Medicare physicians, had passed just in time to hit off a 21 percent pay cut for those doctors. The bill now goes to the president's desk. You know, they had to pass this every year for the last several years. It was sort of ridiculous. This puts a more permanent fix in place. The president said it will strengthen the health care system and he would be proud to sign it. Iraq's new prime minister is canvassing Washington for financial help today. Haider Al-Abadi met with President Obama and received a promise of $200 million in humanitarian aid. But the Iraqi leader said he needs not millions but billions to rebuild his country and battle ISIS. He will meet with members of Congress today along with the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, the president of the World Bank and senior executives from oil companies and international banks. Iraq is facing a budget deficit of $22 billion. The sagging oil prices mostly to blame. There are fears this morning that ISIS could take control of the key Iraqi city of Ramadi within hours. An official in Western Iraq tells CNN that ISIS fighters now have Ramadi essentially surrounded. Government forces not sure how much longer they can hold on. They're desperately calling for reinforcements and for air support from the U.S.-led coalition. It's been three weeks since Saudi Arabia launched its first air strike against Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen. It has been a bloody campaign. The United Nations is now stepping in voting to ban arm sales to the Houthis, this as the Iranians are calling for a ceasefire. The conflict has triggered a huge humanitarian crisis with more than 120,000 Yemenis forced to flee their homes. Our CNN senior international correspondent, Nick Paton Walsh got a firsthand look at the efforts to bring help to some of these people in Yemen. Good morning, Nick.
[Nick Paton Walsh, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] John, it's pretty remarkable, how difficult it is to complete the task, to UNICEF, the children's agency, of delivering urgently needed food and medicine to the capital, Sana'a. The runway at that airport, they are miraculously still intact despite the heavy bombing campaign of the past three weeks and negotiated with 13 different sets of permission, a two-hour window in which their plane could land there. They were delivering 75 metric tons. The pictures you see seem to show an awful lot, but that is not anything like the amounts that those suffering inside Yemen need. We saw medicines being offloaded. A complex situation because those two hours are basically the only part of the Saudi window permitted in the Houthi controlling the airport window that would actually overlap. And then came Air India jets bringing some Yemenis remarkably back, taking some terrified civilians still out of the country as well. We saw, of course, to the devastation wrought upon that airport, the military objectives around it hit heavily it seems by the Saudi campaign. But we heard a U.N. resolution just now in the past 24 hours, which talked about an arms blockade against those Houthi rebels themselves, but didn't really deal with the humanitarian crisis. It simply called on the U.N. secretary-general to negotiate a window to deliver humanitarian aid. We saw one window, how hard that was to negotiate, how hard that was to complete and that delivered really a smallest part of a fraction of what is required, millions without food or water. Children, their lives at risk day by day as medicine is scarce there. As the bombing continues and no sign of a political off-ramp here appearing John.
[Berman:] Now the need for that aid will only grow and the difficulty in getting it there will only grow. Nick Paton Walsh for us, thanks so much, Nick. Developing this morning, a top operative in Yemen has been killed by a U.S. drone strike. The terror group confirms Ibrahim al-Rubaish died Monday on Yemen's southern coast. The 35-year-old Saudi citizen spent five years in Guantanamo Bay and served as a top spokesman for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Al Rubaish is one of a half dozen senior members of al Qaeda killed in the last year by U.S. air attacks. A shocking just released government report warns that hundreds of commercial jets could be vulnerable to hackers. The Government Accountability Office concludes it is theoretically possible for someone with a laptop to take over a jetliner's navigation system and commandeer in the plane. One of the report's authors tell CNN that the Boeing 787 Dreamliner along with the Airbus A350 and A380 all have advance cockpit systems that are wired into the same Wi-Fi system used by passengers, which makes them susceptible to attacks. Time now for EARLY START on "Your Money," Asian stocks are mostly lower with disappointing growth in China, disappointing at 7 percent in the first quarter. How could that be a bad thing? Well, it is the slowest pace in China since 2009. European stocks are higher. We'll hear from the European Central Bank today on interest rates. Here in the U.S., stock futures are up a bit and it is tax day. If you haven't filed yet, my advice is panic. But here is some productive steps, first, file the paperwork, even if you can't pay, it will generally cost you more to file late than pay late than pay late. And if you can't get the paperwork done on time, file for an extension. Remember, you're only pushing back the deadline, though, on that paperwork. You still have to pay any taxes that you owe. They will get you, one way or another. New accusations of excessive police force, an officer crashes his patrol car into a robbery suspect on purpose. Did he go too far? We'll have the details next.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] All right. Let's get straight to this breaking news here on this afternoon. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Here's what we know. This United express plane, it was leaving Chicago's O'Hare Airport just a couple of hours ago. It had to be diverted to Buffalo, New York, and made this emergency landing after a passenger lost consciousness. So let's begin with what we know. Jean Casarez is with me here. And we're now hearing from the FAA, Jean, they're officially reporting it was a pressurization problem.
[Jean Casarez, Cnn Correspondent:] We just got that in. A pressurization problem. But here's what we know. It was United Flight number 5622. It left Chicago this morning at 9:32 a.m. It was bound for Connecticut. And it made that emergency landing in Buffalo, New York, at 11:40. We originally heard because a passenger lost consciousness. Now we are hearing that there was that pressurization problem. We are also learning from Flight Trader 24 some more information. And this is according to them. That there was steep descent of that aircraft. And it took from 38,000 feet to 10,000 feet in about three minutes. But what we're learning now, one person, loss of consciousness. So that emergency landing was made in Buffalo. That person was treated with emergency personnel. They were released. And now the issue is 75 more passengers getting to Hartford, Connecticut.
[Baldwin:] OK, stay with me, Jean Casarez, as you get more information. David Soucie, one of our aviation analysts, pilot, joining me now. And, David Soucie, a couple a couple points here as we're getting all this. Number one, when you hear pressurization problem, what does that tell you?
[David Soucie, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, what it tells me is that the pressurization inside the cabin has gotten above what is normally able to breathe for a passenger. So the descent that they described just now would be indicative of a loss of pressurization and the aircraft getting down to 10,000 feet as quickly as possible, where the where the passengers would be have breathable oxygen and normal pressurization. So that does indicate that there was that lack of pressurization. What's concerning is that one of the passengers did lose consciousness and we don't know yet enough to know whether that was from the fact the that they had lost consciousness due to the lack of oxygen, if they didn't put their mask on, as was directed, I'm sure. That could have been part of that. But that we'll wait to see what happens with that passenger.
[Baldwin:] And again, it could be one, it could be more, but right now CNN is reporting one passenger who lost consciousness.
[Soucie:] Yes.
[Baldwin:] And again, just to be clear to everyone, this plane landed safely in Buffalo. They're working to transport those 75 passengers and get them on their way. But back to the point, if this plane is cruising along at 38,000 feet so, again, 38,000, dips down to 10,000 in three minutes. And when we're talking about pressurization issues at that altitude, what what could possibly happen to lead to that?
[Soucie:] Well, there's a couple of things that could lead to that. One of them would be the safety valve or the pressurization valve that regulates the amount of air that goes outside of the cabin. That can cause that to happen. The other thing that might happen is in the pressurized section of the of the cargo section, if a door is not secured properly or if it does come off in flight, then I've seen that we've seen that happen before as well, where the pressurization drops quickly. Now, it could just be precautionary as well. If pressurization was simply not maintaining the pressure that it's intended to, as you cruise to that altitude and you start losing pressure, then you would still react in the same way because you don't know if it's going to be, you know, a sudden depressurization or what we call an explosive depressurization or if it's just going to be a slow decompression. So, either way, you would make those precautionary measures. So it appears that the pilot acted appropriately no matter what happened on board.
[Baldwin:] To your point about the cargo section and possibly a door, I'm just glancing down at my e-mails because we have a little bit more from the FAA filling in some of the gaps here. When asked about reports of an open door midair, the FAA spokesperson says they're investigating but cannot confirm.
[Soucie:] Right.
[Baldwin:] David Soucie, stand by. Mary Schiavo, let me bring you in as well. As an investigator too, looking at this, when you hear all these just few, few details I mean this is this is just happening. How do you read this?
[Mary Schiavo, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, two important points. And David's absolutely right. If this is a situation which was first reported that there was a door opening in flight or lack of a door seal, it's extremely rare but extremely dangerous. There have been flights in the past where the opening of a door in flight has actually brought down the plane. And because there are warning devices on the doors before they, you know, taxi and take out whether that door is properly secured or not, this would be one of those situations where the FAA should issue an emergency air waves directive and these planes should be grounded until those doors can all be inspected because that is a very, very rare and very, very dangerous event and it would indicate something seriously wrong with the plane. No warning lights about the door before takeoff. If it's a lack of pressurization in flight, again, we all harken back to the Payne Stewart event, and David's right, it could be an outflow valve. It could be a number of things that could lead to that. But that would, of course, cause the planes to be inspected too. But if it's a door failure, hugely dangerous, hugely important.
[Baldwin:] OK. And, Mary, when you hear that it was at 38,000 feet, drops all the way down to 10,000 in three minutes, I'm just thinking about the 75 people on board and I'm wondering, what would that feel like?
[Schiavo:] It would feel like a roller coaster.
[Baldwin:] It would?
[Schiavo:] When you're going coming over the top and you're going down. That is that is far greater than the rate of descent for this plane. Obviously, the plane could withstand it. It's beyond the envelope of what you need to do. So you know that these pilots knew they were in a very grave and very serious situation. Obviously they still maintained their oxygen or were able to get their oxygen masks on quickly enough to fly the plane. That's also hugely, you know, fortunate that they were trained and able to do that because they, too, could have been subjected to this loss of pressurization and affected by it. So, all in all, given the severity of the situation, it's fortunate they got the plane on the ground in one piece and that everybody apparently is going to be fine.
[Baldwin:] Thank goodness. Les Abend, let me just bring your voice to this to this conversation, a 777 airline pilot. And I'm wondering, what's happening from the pilot perspective? What's happening in the cockpit when all this is going down?
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Yes, good question, Brooke. And I'm just getting preliminary information also and there's an indication that it's a door. I find that hard to believe from the standpoint of these doors are plug what we call plug-type doors and they just by virtue of beginning the takeoff, starting starting off really from the gate, the airplane
[Baldwin:] And that would be the roller coaster feeling that Mary Schiavo was just addressing, that feeling in the pit of your stomach for those three minutes for all those passengers on that plane. David Soucie, let me go back to you, because I'm hearing corroborated among all of you that it just seems highly unlikely that it could possibly be a door. So back to one of your other possibilities, saying it could have been the safety valve. Can you explain explain that for me.
[Soucie:] Well, the safety valve, or the outflow valve, there's two different valves in there. The outflow valve regulates pressure inside the aircraft. So you have a constant flow of pressurization air coming from the engines, excuse me, into the cabin on this aircraft and it's just regulated as far as what altitude. Now, remember, altitude and pressure are what maintain the breathability of the air. So this outflow valve then controls how much pressure is inside the cabin. So you're maintaining that cabin pressure at a normal 8,000 feet or 10,000 feet at the most. But so that would make it regular air. Now, when this outflow valve fails, let's say that it gets plugged up, it can over pressurize the air the cabin so there's another valve called the safety valve. And although it's normally closed, in this situation where the outflow valve fails, the safety valve would open and release that excess pressure, allowing it to be normal inside the cabin. Now, what's happened in the Payne Stewart situation, what happened with that airplane, when, of course, it everyone was incapacitated, is that safety valve failed. And it when the outflow valve fail and then the safety valve didn't do its job properly, then it caused the pressurization problem in the aircraft and everyone perished on board. In this case, there was time for the pilots to make corrective action, if that was indeed the problem. And I think that that would be more likely a problem, as Les had mentioned, most of the doors are plug- type doors where they're from the inside to the out. So it would be very difficult for them to open. Although in this particular model of aircraft, there is an external cargo door that that closes and is does maintain pressure. And we've seen that door fail, the seal on that door fail before. And when that seal fails, it can cause a slow decompression but nothing explosive or extremely rapid.
[Baldwin:] OK. OK. So a lot of possibilities that could lead to this pressurization problem.
[Soucie:] Certainly.
[Baldwin:] Les and David and Mary, thank you all very much. We're going to stay on this. Again, if you're just joining us, there was a pressurization problem on board this flight that had left Chicago heading to Hartford, Connecticut. They had to divert to Buffalo, New York. One person at least one person unconscious. And so we're working to figure out exactly what happened and what happened to the rest of these passengers here. Stay with me for more on that. Also ahead, new developments in the deadly arrest of a suspect in Baltimore. We will take you inside a police transport van. That is what 25-year-old Freddie Gray was placed into after he was arrested. And we have brand new video of that incident. Stay here. This is CNN's special live coverage.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to "THE LEAD." I'm Jake Tapper. In another politics news, for any of you who ever wished that you could just ship lawmakers to a deserted island, well, congratulations, you got your wish. In a new Discovery Channel show called rival survival, one Democratic senator and one Republican senator get dropped off on a deserted island where they are expected to actually work together to get things done.
[Unidentified Male:] You're lying again and it's not right.
[Tapper:] With fierce battles for territory.
[Unidentified Male:] You're pure talk and you take no action.
[Tapper:] Thundering political storms.
[Sen. Mitch Mcconnell , Kentucky:] The Senate has reached a new level of dysfunction.
[Sen. Harry Reid , Majority Leader:] Senator McConnell and his so- called rule have blocked the majority of the Senate.
[Tapper:] And an uncertain fate for its inhabitants, the U.S. Senate is a real jungle this election season.
[Unidentified Male:] That's as rotten as Martin's ideas on Social Security.
[Tapper:] So in an earnest attempt to get out of this political jungle, rival Senators Martin Heinerick and Jeff Flake went to an actual jungle to see if negotiations were any easier there.
[Unidentified Male:] That's what it comes with, stooping down and licking water out of palm fronts.
[Tapper:] For its new TV show "Rival Survival," Discovery Channel filmed the duo during their week of isolation, complete with struggles to build shelter to forage for food.
[Unidentified Male:] Republicans are better at killing and Democrats are better at eating.
[Tapper:] And to achieve compromise.
[Unidentified Male:] It brought down the cost of Medicare.
[Tapper:] Washington, D.C., is about as far as you can get from the remote Marshal Islands, but the senators say being so far removed helped put things in perspective back home.
[Sen. Jeff Flake , Arizona:] Your priorities change out there pretty quickly to what's most important and back home in the Senate and what's most important is getting legislation to the floor and actually voting on it.
[Unidentified Male:] Not getting it done on the island is not an option and that's a good perspective to have.
[Tapper:] To be fair, these senators actually get along. In fact, it was the lawmakers, not TV executives, who came up with the idea to go where no senators had dared to go before.
[Blake:] It was one of the most effectively kept secrets in Washington. Anybody associated with a member of Congress always looks to protect them from the unforeseen and there are just too many unforeseens here.
[Tapper:] One of the hardest parts of their island mission was planning it.
[Blake:] Sometimes it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission and this is one of those cases where we felt strongly not only about sort of the adventure, but more importantly about the message that, you know, we can disagree and still work together. Boy, if you could have found some water I would have voted for any of his bills.
[Tapper:] Of course, no one on the ballot this Tuesday would be caught with coconut on his or her face, but some members of Congress may actually learn something from their colleagues' adventures at sea.
[Blake:] Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid, if they were to go there and if they were to survive a week like this together we could really move legislation. If they weren't able to survive, we could move legislation even faster.
[Tapper:] The critics' take on the show, well, about as low as Congress' approval ratings. Many critics say the senators are too darn polite with each other for this to really count as reality TV. They can now see it, they can now smell it. They can now hear it from their windows. The 2,000-degree lava, searing its way toward a community of 1,000 people on the Big Island of Hawaii that's making everything in its path just disappear. In the past 24 hours it's even gotten closer and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it from pretty much vaporizing anything it touches. Our Martin Savidge took a trip over the lava flow Marty.
[Martin Savidge, Cnn Correspondent:] Jake, right now you can see that we're going through rain, not uncommon actually on this side of the island. They get about 140 inches a year so we're diverting around the weather, but we're still following lava into Pahoa, and it brings up the point that if the rain can somehow slow it down or have an impact? It was a question I posed to a volcanologist and he made it clear that rain is not going to have an impact on this, super-heated stone coming from far underground. The lava tends to travel underground anyway. So what's happening on the atmosphere doesn't have much of an impact. It does help in an indirect way. The vegetation around here remains super saturated so it prevents any kind of major brushfire and that's a good thing. You don't need another disaster on top of the one you're dealing with Jake.
[Tapper:] Martin Savidge, thank you so much. That's it for "THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. I now turn you over to Wolf Blitzer. He is next door in "THE SITUATION ROOM" Wolf.

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] We're down to the final point, a critical moment in the George Zimmerman murder trial. You're looking at the seal there, the Florida state seal. That means that the jurors are not in the courtroom, but they'll be there momentarily. That's when they are expected to get the judge's instructions and will start their deliberations and the fate of George Zimmerman. We're also following this. Who can forget of course the horror this Pakistani girl went through when she was shot in the head by the Taliban for encouraging girls simply to go to school? Last year's attack on Malala Yousafzai got worldwide attention. She was shot point blank. Today she's marking her 16th birthday at the United Nations. In her morning address, Yousafzai talked about the importance of education.
[Malala Yousafzai, Victim Of Taliban:] Let us pick up our books and our pens. They are our most powerful weapons. One child, one teacher, one book and one pen can change the world. Education is the only solution. Education first.
[Malveaux:] Pretty amazing young woman. After the shooting, she was flown to Britain for treatment, and she and her family lives in Birmingham. That's where she is back in school. Former Governor of New York Eliot Spitzer said he's passed a big hurdle in his run to be New York City's top financial officer. He announced he's submitted more than 27,000 signatures to the city's Board of Elections. That's about seven times the number necessary to get on the ballot. He told our Christine Romans he's optimistic that the public will hear his case as he tries to get back into public office.
[Fmr Gov. Eliot Spitzer, D-new York:] Just as I would never predict a jury verdict, I don't want to predict elections. I don't want to predict what the public will do. I've asked for it. If the public is willing, I want to serve. That's the most I can serve. If I get that opportunity I'll be happy. And I certainly hope that I make a case as comptroller.
[Malveaux:] Spitzer was governor in 2008 when he was caught up in a prostitution scandal. One poll shows him leading a Democratic challenger in the race to be New York City's comptroller. Day after the stock market hit new highs, investors showing more caution. On Wall Street you're taking a look at this it's down 25 points or so. The Dow and S&P; 500 hit a record closing highs. That was yesterday. Not so much today. The NASDAQ hit its highest level in more than a decade. Plenty of compelling testimony in the George Zimmerman trial but certain witnesses stood out and provided key moments for the prosecution and the defense. Watch.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Correspondent:] 56 witnesses testified in the George Zimmerman trial. There was never any doubt that Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. The job for Zimmerman's lawyers was to show he pulled the trigger in self-defense. To do that, they tore into some of the state's witnesses, trying to discredit them or turn their arguments around to suit the defense. The first target was the prosecution's star witness.
[Don West, Defense Attorney:] Describing the person is what made you think it was racial?
[Rachel Jeantel, Witness:] Yes.
[West:] That's because he described him as a creepy
[Jeantel:] Yes.
[West:] So it was racial, but it was because Trayvon Martin put race in this?
[Jeantel:] No.
[West:] You don't think that's racial comment?
[Jeantel:] No.
[West:] You don't think that "creepy
[Jeantel:] No.
[Lemon:] Then there was Zimmerman's story that Trayvon beat him up, hit his head against the concrete, backed up by the testimony from a neighbor.
[John Guy, Prosecutor:] What did you notice about the condition of his jacket?
[Ofc. Tim Smith, Sanford Police Department, Witness:] The back was wetter than the front of it. It was also covered in grass.
[Guy:] Do you recall the condition of his pants?
[Smith:] Vaguely.
[Guy:] You said they were blue jeans?
[Smith:] Yes, sir.
[Guy:] Anything else about the condition of his pants?
[Smith:] Again, the back was wetter than the front.
[Bernie De La Rionda, Prosecutor:] You mentioned the second position or the change of position, as we call it, they were horizontal. At that point, it was two individuals, the same people?
[John Good, Witness:] Yes.
[De La Rionda:] OK. In terms of describing the individuals, were you able to describe their faces or anything or just clothing descriptions?
[Good:] Well, going back to when they were vertical, I could tell the person on the bottom had a lighter skin color.
[Lemon:] George Zimmerman's teacher said Zimmerman knew about Florida's Stand Your Ground law, contradicting previous statements by the defendant, but he presented a scenario that was more favorable to Zimmerman's defense.
[Alexis Carter, Zimmerman's Teacher:] Someone feels they were being threatened and they countered that threat with a force that was disproportionate to the force that was directed towards them, yes, that would be defense claim or an imperfect self-defense scenario.
[West:] Even under that scenario, the person that may have started it with some lower level of force, and the table turns on them and there's great level of force, a disproportionate level, they have the right to defend themselves.
[Lemon:] Did the defense strategy work? We shall know soon enough. Don Lemon, CNN, Sanford, Florida.
[Malveaux:] We will know soon enough. The jurors are expected to be back in the courtroom. That's when they will get the instructions from the judge and begin their deliberations process. It could take hours or days. It will be in the hands of the jury. We'll bring that to you next.

[Malveaux:] We don't have time to list all the countries, companies, private individuals who are angry still at the National Security Agency over spying allegations. Of course that would take a long time.
[Holmes:] Yes, be here all day if we did that. Well, you can add Internet giants Google and Yahoo! to the list. Both of those companies accusing the NSA of secretly breaking into their databases and collecting information about their millions and millions of users. Elise Labott is watching this today. You know, the NSA, though, they came out and they said, no, no, didn't do it, didn't happen. Google and Yahoo! are saying, oh, yes, it did.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Foreign Affairs Reporter:] Well, what their what the NSA is saying is, whatever it does working with Google and Yahoo! are within the bounds of this FISA court, this intelligence court. And, actually, these companies are mandated to give them the information. And so they don't need to access their databases illegally. But this program that's been talked about, this it's called MUSCULAR, and it's operated between jointly between the U.K. counterpart and the NSA is somewhat outside of the bounds of this domestic court. And so the question is, look, they've said in the past that they're sifting through all these foreign e-mails for key words that might trip them up. So they must be listing to something. So the question is, it's all about, I think, the parsing of words and how they're doing this.
[Malveaux:] And what are they actually collecting? They're collecting things that people are looking for, are searching for, through Google or Yahoo!?
[Labott:] Well, this is metadata, again, right?
[Holmes:] Yes.
[Labott:] They're not accessing the actual e-mails, but they're kind of sifting through, mining data so that they can have data points. So if you have a phone call that causes some concern, and then if you have an e-mail that causes some concern, this is supposedly supposed to help them connect the dots and foil anything that might be in the works.
[Holmes:] Yes, yes, connecting known phone numbers with who's been calling them and vice versa.
[Labott:] Exactly. Exactly.
[Holmes:] All right. Good to see you, Elise. Thanks so much.
[Malveaux:] Oh, we've got one more question.
[Holmes:] Oh, you have one more?
[Labott:] One more.
[Malveaux:] The pope. The pope.
[Holmes:] Oh, oh, sorry, yes, the pope.
[Malveaux:] There are reports the pope They've also they've also been spying on the pope? Tell us about that.
[Holmes:] Yes, what's that?
[Labott:] Well, there was a story in an Italian magazine that between 2012 and 2014 '13, the NSA was spying on 46 or so million phone calls of the Vatican along the lines of some of the claims that we've heard before. Vatican said, don't know about it, don't care. The NSA said, in a very carefully worded statement obtained by our Evan Perez, "the NSA does not target the Vatican. The magazine claims that the NSA targeted the Vatican are not true." Now, you look at these statements. That's a very carefully worded statement.
[Holmes:] It is.
[Labott:] The question is, did the NSA target some specific individual in the Vatican, like the pope, which this magazine claimed, or did some other agency was looking at this type of thing? It's a very carefully worded statement. That does not say that the U.S. is not spying on the Vatican. So I think this is part of the problem that the administration is having, getting in front, proactively trying to quash this story, trying to manage it, when you have these leaks every day, something different. So they really need a better strategy to kind of get in front of this, I think, be a little bit more transparent, because these leaks are coming.
[Malveaux:] Right.
[Holmes:] And it's pretty hard to protect the system of intelligence gathering
[Labott:] Exactly.
[Holmes:] when that's happening, the drip, drip. Yeah. Elise
[Malveaux:] Good to see you in person.
[Holmes:] Yeah.
[Labott:] Good to see you.
[Holmes:] Come down more.
[Malveaux:] Come back.
[Labott:] I will.
[Malveaux:] Imagine what they're saying on the phone with the pope? I'd like to be in on those calls.
[Holmes:] I don't know I'd want to know.
[Malveaux:] All right, we're also learning today that the NSA troublemaker now has a new job. Of course, we're talking about Edward Snowden, the former government contractor who is wanted for leaking classified NSA documents.
[Holmes:] Yeah, got to make a living, apparently. Russia's official news agency, reporting that Snowden starts tomorrow doing computer maintenance. Guess what? For one of Russia's largest Web sites. They didn't say which Web site. Russia gave asylum, of course, to Edward Snowden back in August.
[Malveaux:] We're also following Syria. It can no longer produce chemical weapons. That, at least, is according to an international group that is overseeing the effort to eliminate the country's chemical weapons' arsenal.
[Holmes:] Yeah, the next step, of course, is for Syria to destroy its existing weapons and stockpiles. What it's done now, these inspectors, is sew up the raw materials, if you like. Here's Fred Pleitgen.
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn Berlin Correspondent:] I'm Fred Pleitgen in Berlin, Germany, and the organization that's been tasked with monitoring the destruction of Bashar al-Assad's chemical weapons' program says that Syria has destroyed all of its production, mixing, as well as filling capabilities. It says that the organization visited some 21 sites of 23 that were declared by the Syrian government. Two sites, apparently, were too dangerous to visit because of the ongoing civil war situation in Syria. The next big task is going to be destroying all of the chemical weapons that Bashar al-Assad still has. That's more than a thousand metric tons of mustard gas, sarin, as well as VX. Back to you.
[Malveaux:] And following this, a single e-mail, that is all that it might take to end this Marine's career. He exposed an insider threat, and his e-mail might have saved lives, but his actions could also get him discharged. So will the punishment fit the crime?

[Camerota:] Time for CNN money now. Chief business correspondent, Christine Romans is in our Money Center talking mergers.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] Cable mergers, guys, Charter Communication is announcing a $55 billion deal to buy Time Warner Cable and Smaller Bright House Networks. The Charter is the third biggest cable provider. Time Warner Cable is number two with customers and key markets in New York and Los Angeles. Together the company would add 18.8 million broadband internet subscribers, 17 million TV subscribers, that's one in six households. Those numbers will be a big advantage when negotiating with channel owners. The merger still has to pass government regulators, of course, that's what stopped Comcast's plan to buy Time Warner Cable earlier this year and the executives are saying that it could mean better customer service guys.
[Cuomo:] Or it could not.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Cynics. We shall see.
[Cuomo:] Cynics, also known as cable subscribers. So the Rockets, they had a big win last night over the Warriors, but that's not their real opponent right now. This flooding is so severe down there and it's going to get worse, hundreds of people were stranded at the Toyota Center. Let's bring in Andy Scholes, who got this morning's "Bleacher Report." It wasn't about the game in that place, that's for sure.
[Andy Scholes, Cnn Sports:] Yes. Chris, you know, I am from Houston. When it floods there, it gets pretty bad. I spoke with my father-in- law a few minutes ago and he works at the Toyota Center and he is still there right now. And he told there were about 200 fans in the arena until 6:00 a.m. local time, that's when most of them were finally able to leave the arena and make their way home. This was a pic from a few hours ago, with all the fans in the stands. Now minutes before the game ended last night, officials recommended to fans that they stay in their seats after the final buzzer because it's just a massive storm cell that was coming through at that time. Now Dwight Howard was among the people who could not get home last night, so he came out on the floor to hang out with the fans after the big win, pretty cool moment for the fans that were stranded in the arena. Now as for the actual game, this was a must win for the Rockets. They were down 3-0 in the series, and a scary moment, Steph Curry goes tumbling over Ariza and lands on his head. He would leave the game, but after going through concussion tests, Curry would return in the third quarter. Now things are getting a little chippy between the two teams in the second half, Howard and Andrew getting into it. Howard swings, and he was called for a flagrant foul. Lucky he wasn't ejected from this game. The Rockets sure hope he won't be suspended for game five. Now after air balling his first shot, Curry heating in the fourth quarter. This three right here gets the Warriors within six, but James Harden is too good in this one. He scored a playoff career high 45 points as the Rockets live to fight another day with the 128-115 win. The silver lining for all the Rocket staff members and all the fans that had to stay in the arena at least they did win this and they were not mourning the end of the season. At least they had something to cheer about and have some camaraderie as they were all sitting around for hours and hours.
[Pereira:] One of the games you will never forget, though.
[Cuomo:] Good luck to your in-laws down there.
[Scholes:] Thank you.
[Pereira:] We actually want to show some live pictures of the massive flooding in the Houston area this morning. We are live at the top of the hour with a look at the unbelievable devastation. Is there any relief in sight?

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] We have our team spread out throughout the country covering the breaking news, because the fact is a third of the nation is being affected by this storm. We start with Indra Petersons in hard-hit Boston Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] The massive nor'easter battered more than 20 states into the night, nearly two feet of snow already on the ground near Boston. The onslaught of snow is producing whiteout conditions in the area.
[Unidentified Male:] We are closing state government. I am urging private employers to do the same.
[Petersons:] This year's first major snowstorm forcing New York and New Jersey to declare a state of emergency.
[Mayor Bill De Blasio , New York:] Please stay home tonight and stay off the roads.
[Petersons:] It's a disastrous mix for travelers, thousands of flights canceled, officials in New York closing several major highways overnight in hopes of saving lives. Several school districts in Philadelphia to Boston closed today as officials fear the commute to class would prove dangerous. Just check out this elementary school bus in Missouri that skidded off an icy road straight into a ditch. The powerful arctic mess has dropped temperatures to parts of the country to the coldest in years.
[Unidentified Female:] It's freezing.
[Petersons:] At around five degrees below zero, this family in Maine took boiling water and it freezes immediately.
[Unidentified Male:] Here we go.
[Unidentified Female:] Snow!
[Petersons:] The winds off of the lake caused wind chills of 25 degrees below zero in some parts of Chicago. Salt spreaders blanketing streets as countless spinouts litter roadways along the Northeast and New England highways. Millions are now waking up to a dangerous but beautiful winter wonderland. It seems like a snow that is never going to end. But again, what makes it so unique. I mean, take a look, I can literally kick through the snow like it is nothing, good news if you're trying to take your car out of the snow and get to out of the snow. But unfortunately with the strong winds, that continue to blow, we're talking about 30 to 40-mile-per-hour winds out of the north, we still have the concern for poor visibility, the snow expected to continue to fall throughout the late morning. It should taper off by the afternoon today, except for on the cape, we're going to get ocean- effect snow. So, you're still going to see some snow in that region. The big story behind this is the frigid air. I mean, we are talking about temperatures already negative 20 below and a second storm behind this one that's going to bring even cooler air by the beginning of next week, very hard to believe when it feels this cold, guys.
[Pereira:] Yes, you think you made it through this one, you better prepare yourself, more cold weather is coming. Again, we keep saying it, if you don't have to leave, if you don't have to go out, take the advice of some of the governors and elected officials to just stay indoors. As Indra mentioned, Cape Cod, this is new this morning, it's one of the hardest hit areas, dealing with heavy snow and ice and really strong wind. Look at this you might not recognize what that is. Our Laurie Segall was covering the storm in Cape Cod when her live truck literally, to the point we almost couldn't see her this entire morning. She's been in the middle of the swirling winds and snow. She's been giving us really a great look at what has happened and she documented it overnight. Laurie, how is it right now that the sun is up?
[Laurie Segall, Cnn Correspondent:] It might be better that you could completely see me. If you can see what's happening here, the wind everywhere, blowing everywhere and now that the sun is up you see how much snow there is. For so long, it was just snow kind of coming down on me on this live shots. But, now, you can see and if you take a look at this store behind me, it's a shoe shop and we dug a picture of what it looks like in the summer compared to what it looks like now, and you can actually get the sense of how much snow there is here. Take a look over here, it's up to 15 inches of snow here. And you also mentioned our satellite truck it stopped working because we're thinking of this chilly air because of the frigid weather here, we're actually going live through a process, DNG, there's a laptop in our car right next door and we're actually eventually going live through the Internet and we're going to have to move our car soon because the snow is just piling up, behind me the snowplows. And, you know, as you mentioned before, this is Cape Cod. We are on the coast. We are near the water and a lot of folks, as the sun comes up and we near around noon, 1:00, people are going to be worried about the tide coming in, because knock on wood, the good news is there hasn't exactly been too much coastal flooding which is a huge concern but we'll be waiting until 12:00 or 1:00 to see if when the high tide comes in if there's coastal flooding, guys.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Still a few more hours until they clear that danger zone in the Cape, still snowing, the winds still blowing, it will be the last place that it ends. Laurie Segall, thank you so much for braving the storm out on the gate. I really do appreciate it. There is a little good news now in this whole mess. The Long Island expressway is now back open. It was shut down overnight so the crews could plow through the snow. You see them there at work. Schools are closed today in several big cities, including Boston, Philadelphia, New York, a lot of kids at home, this is the first major decision here in New York for the new mayor, Bill de Blasio. Alexandra Field joins us with more from Long Island Alexandra.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] John, good morning. I can tell you right now, for at least a moment the wind let up. That felt like a little bit of relief, but the temperature has been dropping this morning from 12 degrees down to 10 degrees and with it, the wind-chill went from 6 below to 8 below. So you can feel every degree. I've added an extra layer, you can see I had to throw on the ear muffs here, and you can also see some of the cleanup work is actually starting, while many of us have not been on the roads this morning, the plows have. You can see the snow bank that they build right around our CNN SUV, that's been parked out here all morning. If you're heading out to your car this morning, along with digging yourself out, you'll probably find something like this icicles just another sign of how cold it is all over the Northeast.
[Field:] Throughout the night, blizzard-like conditions on Long Island, eastern parts of the island hardest hit.
[Unidentified Male:] So far, it's a mess. It's a mess. They're doing not too bad with the roads on the main roads, but the side roads are just horrible.
[Field:] Roadways are covered in snow, making driving downright dangerous. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo closed the Long Island expressway and the state's thruway south of Albany after midnight as a precaution. [on camera]: We're waking up to an almost ear eerie sense of quiet here. That's the Long Island Expressway. It's been shut down since midnight. Not a car on it. Of course, you can see the plows are out. They've been out all night. Long Island officials say that while they were preparing to take on this storm, they kept an eye on what's happened in the past.
[Steve Bellone, Suffolk County Executive:] There's one thing we have learned from Superstorm Sandy is that we can never be too prepared.
[Field:] Less than a year ago, the LIE was littered with abandoned vehicles, hundreds of motorists stranded. Some spent the night in their cars. Others were rescued by firefighters.
[Unidentified Male:] It was cascading effect. One car went up, got stuck, the rest stayed behind it and kept trying to get around each other and they all got stuck.
[Field:] In New York City, hundreds of plows and salt spreaders were on the streets as the snow started falling.
[Mayor Bill De Blasio , New York City:] I, Bill de Blasio
[Bill Clinton, Former President:] Do solemnly swear
[De Blasio:] Do solemnly swear
[Field:] The city's new mayor spent his first working day preparing for his first emergency.
[De Blasio:] It would have been nice to have a nice calm first day but we have snow on our mind. And we are focused like a laser, on protecting the people of the city and getting everyone ready.
[Field:] City schools are closed Friday but mass transit continues to operate while it's safe. The new mayor is hoping to avoid the debacle three years ago when it took weeks to clear some of the city's streets.
[Michael Bloomberg, Former Nyc Mayor:] The response to the storm was inadequate and unacceptable and clearly the response to this storm has not met our standards or the standards that New Yorkers have come to expect from us.
[Field:] Hopefully, a lot of you are waking up to a sight that looks like that, that's the only vehicle you really want to be driving this morning and hopefully you are seeing plows in front and loaders in your neighborhood. The snow has been falling quickly, the bulk of it overnight and early this morning. We threw our cables out here on 4:00 in the morning, and you can see, it's just become buried in the snow. About half a foot here and you can see all around me still coming down. And, John and Michaela, you can see all around me, still coming down.
[Pereira:] Still coming down, that's going to keep crews. It's keeping crews busy here in Columbus Circle in New York City, the plow is trying to get the sidewalk concerned. Let's talk about the air, though. Our breaking coverage continues now with the words that flight operations at JFK airport suspended because of zero visibility at the airport. We're told the terminals will remain open. The nor'easter that's heating us is forcing the cancellation of up to 1,700 flights across the nation today, adding to the thousands that were grounded over the last two days. And then there's the delays over 2,000 so far. Today, that number is expected to climb. Pamela Brown picks up our story live from New York's LaGuardia airport. What's the latest Pamela, from LaGuardia?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, we're just finding out now, Michaela, that there are limited flights going in and out of Boston's Logan Airport, as you mentioned JFK Airport has halted operations there. And here at LaGuardia we just saw some people sleeping on cots. According to an airport official, there are around 180 cots set up here for stranded passengers and let me tell you they're taking advantage of them. Many of them have been here since last night and probably be here for a while, considering how many flight cancellations there are 1,571 flight cancellations in the U.S., a bulk of those at major hubs in the Northeast and Midwest.
[Brown:] Heavy snow, strong winds and limited visibility have stalled air travel this morning, more than 1,000 flights already canceled and more than 2,000 flights canceled Thursday.
[Unidentified Female:] Supposed to leave today but scheduled to leave on Sunday and so now I'm trying to find a way to get out of here.
[Brown:] Boston's Logan airport remaining open during the storm but not many flights going or coming. Chicago's O'Hare International Airport the hardest hit, with more than 650 halted flights, accounting for most of the country's headaches.
[Unidentified Male:] My first flight to Chicago was canceled and now my next flight is delayed. I don't know when I'm going to get back.
[Unidentified Female:] We're just kind of freaking out right now because we're running out of time.
[Brown:] The storm causing a ripple effect for air travelers in nearly every state.
[Unidentified Male:] Even though folks may not be flying to Boston and New York, because those airports are such important components in the aviation network, that can have a domino effect on flights not even going to those locations.
[Brown:] One stranded traveler snapped this wintry photo of LaGuardia airport in New York where flights were grounded at 8:00 p.m. last night. Air travelers should be patient and expect lots of delays. And back here live at LaGuardia Airport, so far, 254 flight cancellations here and we're expecting that number to tick up as the morning goes on, the conditions pick up. You see that reflected on the board behind me in the yellow is the cancellations. Interesting to note, the other flights that are leaving and coming in to LaGuardia are on time there. I also want to mention for those passengers who were supposed to be flying out today, many of the airlines are working with passengers and not charging them the fee to change their ticket to another day or another time, so a bit of good news that are expected to be traveling this weekend.
[Berman:] That is a bit of good news, call ahead, always good advice. Today will be a long day but people will get to where they need to go. Just be patient, be kind, please, to everyone around you.
[Pereira:] Best thing you can do.
[Berman:] Breaking news coverage of this storm, social media is blowing up with pictures from this nor'easter. And some of you have been sharing what you're seeing with us. Christine Romans joins us with a small sampling.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Chief Business Correspondent:] Thanks, John. Some of these pictures are just beautiful. The first from Patrice Clark in Saratoga Springs, New York. You're just not going to go anywhere, anytime soon. And when you look at this picture, I want to remind folks, this could be so dangerous, clear the tail pipe first, don't start the car and have someone sit in the car while you're digging it out. Carbon monoxide deaths happen in big storms when people turn on the car, sit in there and then they got the tail pipe cover. So, be very, very careful there, especially when you're digging out these cars. And be careful, the traffic coming down the street as well, and the snowplows. More now from upstate New York,
[Pereira:] You know what somebody else told me, Christine Romans, you can follow your airline on twitter or some of your local municipalities, sometimes they get really good up to the minute updates, transportation woes or cancellations with your airlines, a good way to stay on top of it all.
[Romans:] Yes. And go to your login and make sure your frequent flyer profile, you've got your phone number so they can text you, and let you know if you're going anywhere.
[Pereira:] That has saved me more than once. Let me tell you. All right. Christine Romans thanks for doing that. I like getting to see what everybody's experience is like. All right. Certainly, a lot of headlines going on today. Let's head inside for some of the day's top stories. Ana Cabrera has that for us.
[Ana Cabrera, Cnn Anchor:] Michaela, my friend, I'm sending you warm thoughts, as we take a look at some of the other stories making news right now. Breaking overnight, the State Department saying the U.S. embassy in South Sudan can no longer provide services to Americans, now that more staff members have been ordered to leave. Washington is urging all Americans to get out of South Sudan because of the fighting between rebel forces and the government troops there. Peace talks between the two sides are under way right now in Ethiopia, but the fighting rages on. Army officials say government forces are about to retake a city from rebels. Also new this morning, the Australian ice breaker carrying those 52 rescued passengers is having to stay put because now there are worries that the Chinese vessel which deployed that helicopter involved in the rescue, now that could get stuck itself in sea ice. The Chinese ship plans to try to get out of the thick ice Saturday at a point when the tidal conditions are more favorable, much more on this later in the hour. Happening today, the family of Jahi McMath and the children's hospital in Oakland will meet in federal court. Federal magistrate ordered a settlement conference between the hospital and the family. Now, this order comes as Jahi's family continues to search for a doctor that will perform some medical procedures that will require to move her to another facility for long time care. An update now on former first lady, Barbara Bush. She is said to be doing great and responding well according to a family spokesman. Mrs. Bush has been hospitalized since Monday after showing signs of pneumonia. Right now, there's no timetable for her release, but the family is hopeful it will take place sooner rather than later. And check out this video, an amazing rescue in California search teams in Los Angeles air lifting an injured hiker to safety. Police say the 18-year-old woman was with friends at a popular waterfall when she slipped and she fell, breaking both ankles. The woman was taken to nearby hospital for treatment.
[Pereira:] Boy, she has a story to tell. Thank goodness she wasn't injured more severely. Ana Cabrera, thank you so much, doing a great job for us today. We will take a short break here on NEW DAY. Next up, Obamacare facing one of its first big legal tests today. The Supreme Court could rule on a provision that has upset some religious groups. And a different kind of test in Colorado. The green rush has created some gray areas for law enforcement as they try to police legal marijuana. We'll be back.

[Cabrera:] Hello again. I'm Ana Cabrera in Atlanta.
[Savidge:] And I'm Martin Savidge live in Jerusalem where a ceasefire is scheduled to come to an end in less than two hours. The violence between Israel and Gaza may be half a world away from the United States, but there are Americans that are caught right in the middle.
[Cabrera:] That's right. U.S. citizens who actually want to be part of the fighting, who risked their lives to join the Israel defense forces. Dan Simon has one soldier's story.
[Dan Simon, Cnn Corresondent:] Each year hundreds of U.S. citizens join the Israel Defense Forces. They're called Lone Soldiers. What makes them do it? Why not join the U.S. military? We spoke to a former member of the IDF. David Meyers is a 47-year-old who today is working in sales in Silicon Valley.
[David Meyers, Volunteered For Idf:] As much as I'm an American and a proud American, there's an incredibly deep and long connection that I personally have both to Israel, to its history, to its people, from relatives that survived the Holocaust to relatives that helped to establish the state of Israel, both from within and from outside of Israel, and that connection runs extremely deep. I was in the IDF from 1987 through 1993, so it was the period right after Israel's first Lebanon war. People are definitely surprised. Americans are surprised that I joined the IDF, because it is hard to digest that concept of how it is that you can love the United States and be a proud American and yet go fight in another army. You feel that if you don't do that, then who will? And that that state needs to be preserved and needs to be defended. And that the U.S. With its strength and size perhaps isn't quite as needing of your abilities and your efforts. Hearing the news of all of the soldiers who have been killed is heart- wrenching. The fact that they did volunteer, that they did leave the safe and secure life makes it just a little bit harder to digest. At the funerals of those guys, there have been literally tens of thousands of people who come to show their appreciation and love for those families.
[Cabrera:] Our thanks to Dan Simon for that report. I'm now joined by another former soldier who left Israel's military now just two years ago. Daniel Flesch is an American citizen who joined the Israel Defense Forces, or the IDF in 2010. He fought with them for 18 months. And Daniel, as we mentioned, you are an American, so why did you decide to go half way around the world to join the IDF instead of say joining the U.S. military?
[Daniel Flesch, Joined The Idf:] That's a very good question. I grew up with an idea of service to my mind. In my Last year in college, I felt a strong connection with Israel. I visited Israel. I learned about my family, survival through the Holocaust and as Jews that are persecuted throughout the world I wanted to make sure that there's a homeland for Jews to go to. Just in the last two weeks I believe, a thousand Jews have France and I want to make sure that they have a homeland they can go to and I wanted to defend and protect the Jewish state in Israel.
[Cabrera:] What's your take on what's happening there right now?
[Flesch:] It's tragic. It's very, very sad. Israelis and Israel want to have peace. They want to live side-by-side with Palestinians, but in the meantime, they'll do everything they can and they will to defend themselves and to protect themselves, and Lone Soldiers like myself, who go over to fight in the IDF, we're there, again, to defend everyone inside Israel Jews, Muslims, Christian, Jews, everyone.
[Cabrera:] You talked about this urge to serve and your maybe connection and sort of kindred spirit with the Israelis because of your Jewish heritage. When you got there, was it what you expected in terms of fighting with the Israeli army?
[Flesch:] Well, certainly no one know what's to expect when you join a military. It was absolutely similar to what I hoped for. There's certainly a brotherhood, or kindred spirits within Israel. It's a special place. I felt a lot of the other Lone Soldiers who come from across the world, certainly the Israeli soldiers were very appreciative that we there.
[Cabrera:] When you hear that there were two IDF soldiers who were U.S. citizens killed in the fighting, in just the past week or so, what it's your reaction to that?
[Flesch:] Max Steinberg and Sean Kremeli from Los Angeles and Texas, they're doing what they went there to do. They went there to defend the Jewish people, defend Israel and they answered the call of duty. And so from sitting here back in the United States with other Lone Soldiers we talk a lot, and we really sympathize with them, their families, they're our brothers but we understand why they went to fight and we know that they would rather be nowhere else than inside Gaza protecting Jewish people.
[Cabrera:] I want to get a better sense of what it's actually like there on the ground. We've heard a lot about the rockets flying overhead, the supplies, people moving through tunnels. Can you describe the scene or set the scene for me in terms of those who are on the ground actually fighting and what they're dealing with?
[Flesch:] Sure. So it's a very it's a very scary situation. Just a couple of days ago, some Hamas militants or terrorists were caught on the Israeli side the border through a tunnel with needles and essentially different equipment to try to kidnap soldiers and civilians. As an Israeli soldier you know the inherent dangers in combats and conflicts but you also have to always be vigilant even when you're on base or whenever you're in Israel. But, again, thank God to Iron Dome and other defensive measures that Israel does that many Israelis both civilians and soldiers feel much safer.
[Cabrera:] We don't have a lot of time. But do you feel like your service was worth it, especially given that the situation seems to be getting out of control there right now?
[Flesch:] 100 percent. Absolutely. I felt that it's something I had to do, as a Jew, and an American also, who really grew up learning about and loving freedom and democracy, and I felt it was incumbent upon me to do something to serve for other people.
[Cabrera:] And I know we were just talking during the break. You plan to perhaps even serve for the U.S. government someday as you're working on your graduate work there in
[D.c. Flesch:] Yes.
[Cabrera:] So thank you Daniel Flesch for your service. Thank you for your time today. We appreciate it.
[Flesch:] Thank you very much.
[Cabrera:] Back to our other big story today. The parents of a young woman who was on Malaysia Air Flight 17 are making a desperate pilgrimage to the crash site.
[Unidentified Female:] Find her. It's mom and dad. This is mom and dad.
[Cabrera:] They are holding out hope that their daughter could still be alive. We'll have the very latest on their quest, next.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Chaos in Yemen, threatening the U.S. efforts to fight terror. This American ally pushed to the brink of collapse as al Qaeda in that country boosts its presence and issues a new warning to the West. We're live with the very latest this morning.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Time ticking down for two men held hostage by ISIS. Will Japan pay their $200 million ransom? We are live in Tokyo with the latest.
[Berman:] No charges expected for the former police officer who shot and killed unarmed black teenager Michael Brown. Why the Justice Department is not going to bring charges against Darren Wilson. That's ahead. Welcome back to EARLY START, everyone. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] I'm Christine Romans. It's 30 minutes past the hour. We begin this morning with a crisis in Yemen, a crisis that could al Qaeda a new foothold and new power. There is now a tentative deal between the U.S.-backed government and rebels who have been attacking the president's palace for days. It's not clear whether this truce will hold any longer than the last one. Yemen is now a hotbed of terrorism. Al Qaeda's affiliate there claims to have planned and funded at least some of the Paris terror attacks. The leader of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula released a new video this Wednesday, calling for jihadist to launch lone wolf attacks at home in Europe and the U.S. And ISIS is now known to be active and recruiting in Yemen. The Obama administration sees Yemen as crucial to the war on terror. This morning, that partnership is anything but stable. Let's bring in senior international correspondent Nic Robertson with the latest on the turmoil. And, good morning, Nic. This is a development that is certainly troubling for counterterrorism experts.
[Nic Robertson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Absolutely. I mean, look, state regional experts there believe that Yemen is tipping towards a failed state. You have the Gulf Cooperation Council, this is the major oil-producing nations in the Gulf meeting to discuss what is happening. Yemen, right on the border of Saudi Arabia, very close to the strategic seas where a lot of the world's oil flows there. So, a major concern there. But there's a very significant concern also, for Saudi Arabia, because the Yemen branch of al Qaeda, if you will, threatens them. But as we have seen in the past, al Qaeda and Yemen is capable and intent on trying to attack the United States, claiming to be behind also the attacks in Paris over the past few weeks. So, what we are seeing, the picture emerging, if Yemen tips more towards a failed state, if the Houthis agreement with the president continues to be shaky or is not honored, there will be a greater breakdown of power, a greater vacuum of power, al Qaeda will leverage this vacuum and space, as much it has done in other countries like Iraq and Syria as we have seen that in the past. And you have on top of that the Houthis being essentially viewed as on the one hand getting support from Iran, on the other hand as being a branch of sheer Islam. The Sunni al Qaeda will exploit that to try to grow its own core strength in Yemen to not only fight the Houthis, but then export terror back to the West, beyond the borders as they are stating as the leader in Yemen is stating. It is not an idle threat. They have done this before Christine.
[Romans:] Not an idle threat. All right. Nic Robertson, thank you so much for that, Nic, this morning.
[Berman:] Japanese government officials are trying to save the lives of two hostages. They are scrambling this morning for means to communicate with ISIS. The Islamic terror group is demanding $200 million or says it will execute these two men by Friday. Japan's prime minister has cut short a trip to the Middle East to deal with this crisis. Secretary of State John Kerry is meeting in London this morning with partners in the coalition trying to defeat ISIS. I want to turn now to CNN's Will Ripley who's on the ground in Tokyo with more of these Japanese efforts to save these two hostages, Will.
[Will Ripley, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yes, John. We know that the Japanese government is trying to establish a line of communication with ISIS. Here we stand 24 hours away from their murderous deadline. And as far as we know, the latest official word, there has been no channel of communication open with the terrorist group that has killed five people on video since last August and threatens to do the same to two more two innocent Japanese men who could very well be dead by this time tomorrow, if some sort of a deal is not worked out. It's a very difficult reality for people in the pacifist country to wrap their heads around. But at the same time, as you can imagine, there is a real struggle here to think about if money were to go in the hands of ISIS, even if it wasn't $200 million, but a smaller ransom, would that give the terror group more tools to do more harm to more people? That's the real struggle. Public opinion here is split, as most people in this country are certainly banding together and their feeling of fear for these two men and anticipating very great sadness if ISIS does follow through with its threat, again, less than 24 hours from now, John.
[Berman:] All right. Will, important information right there. Every country deals with the situation differently. But one thing that is not different is the sympathy people feels for the families and the people involved. Thanks, Will.
[Romans:] All right. A grand jury has indicted an Ohio man who allegedly plotted to bomb the U.S. Capitol. Twenty-year-old Christopher Lee Cornell faces two counts of attempted murder of government employees. Each count carries a possible 20-year sentence. He's also facing firearm charges. Cornell was arrested outside a suburban Cincinnati gun shop last week after purchasing two M-15s assault weapons and 60 rounds of ammunition.
[Berman:] The White House calls it a breach of protocol. This is as House Speaker John Boehner invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress next month and make a case for new sanctions against Iran. That is a policy the president is against. Let's get more now from CNN's Dana Bash.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] John and Christine, GOP sources I talked to admit that Congress does traditionally coordinate with the White House before asking a world leader to address Congress. But not this time, it was a back channel between with John Boehner and Benjamin Netanyahu. They both want Congress to pass new sanctions against Iran which the president opposes. Is this just a way to poke the president in the eye on an issue like Iran where you know he very much opposes what you want to do?
[Rep. John Boehner , Speaker Of The House:] I did not consult with the White House. The Congress can make this decision on its own. I don't believe I'm poking anyone in the eye. There is a serious threat that exists in the world. The president last night kind of papered over it. The fact is that there needs to be a more serious conversation in America about how serious a threat is from radical Islamic jihadists and the threat posed by Iran.
[Bash:] Just hours earlier at the State of the Union Address, Obama warned more sanctions against Iran would jeopardize delicate diplomatic nuclear negotiations and as the president spoke, he had no idea that John Boehner sitting behind him had been planning for weeks to bring the Israeli prime minister to stand in the very same place and tell Congress the opposite. The best way to push Iran is to enact more sanctions. Now, Boehner is taking advantage of a long history of tension between Netanyahu and Obama. And the speaker is also helping Netanyahu. He is a hawkish Israeli leader Republicans like. Israeli elections are scheduled for next month. And a high profile speech on a nuclear Iran which Israel sees as an existential threat could help John and Christine.
[Romans:] All right. Dana Bash, thank you for that in Washington, Dana. Historic high level talks on normalizing relations between the United States and Cuba being held in Havana. The initial discussions will focus on trade and travel and reopening embassies in both capitals. Talks come just weeks after President Obama and Cuban leader Raul Castro formally ended six decades of official estrangement between the two countries.
[Berman:] An abrupt about-face by House Republicans. They have dropped plans to debate a bill that would ban virtually all abortions after 20 weeks. Objections from some women on the Hill and others left Republican leaders short of the votes they need to pass this measure. The vote had been scheduled to coincide with the gathering of anti- abortion activists, an annual gathering that marks the anniversary of the Supreme Court's Rowe versus Wade decision that legalized abortion.
[Romans:] President Obama issuing an executive order to better coordinate federal programs in the Arctic Ocean. The president says this is a necessary response to decades of climate change that had transformed the Arctic, its features and its accessibility. One Alaska senator says the order does not do enough and focusing too much on climate change and too little on development and build up of critical infrastructure.
[Berman:] On the subject of climate change, the Senate is on record saying climate change is real and not a hoax. That measure with that wording passed by a 98-1 margin. But senators voted down a pair of measures that said tat global warming is created by human activity, or contributed at least to by human activity. So, they say climate change exists, but they did not pass the measure saying humans contribute to it. The president is still on the road, selling his middle class economic program and other ideas that he presented in the State of the Union. He delivers a speech today at the University of Kansas, and after that, he turns to Washington where he will be interviewed by several hard-hitting YouTube stars.
[Romans:] YouTube stars, something you couldn't even have said, you know, ten years ago, five years ago, two years ago, YouTube stars. All right. Time for an early start on money, folks. Asian shares they ended higher. European shares aren't moving much quite yet. There's a big story developing there. That's the European Central Bank expected to announce a massive bond-buying stimulus program later this morning. U.S. stocks were also up. Yesterday, stocks climbed for the third day in a row. That's the longest winning streak so far this year. It tells you what this year has been like, right? Layoffs coming at two big American companies. Yesterday, eBay announced 2,400 job cuts. That's about 7 percent of its workforce. American Express is cutting 4,000 jobs this year, about 6 percent of its staff. Both companies reported a rise in profits last quarter.
[Berman:] Federal investigators not expected to file charges, no charges coming in Michael Brown's deadly shooting. We'll tell you why Officer Darren Wilson will not face a federal jury. That's next.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn Anchor:] OUTFRONT next, breaking news, the U.S. military moving assets into Iraq in the war against ISIS. A live report from the pentagon ahead. Plus, dramatic video, a plane barely clearing tall buildings, tumbling sideways into a bridge in a river. It appears more than a dozen people survived. How? And more breaking news, the measles outbreak growing tonight as it's explained on the anti-vaccination movement, just how easy is it to opt out of vaccinations. We have a form. Let's go OUTFRONT. And good evening, I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news, U.S. officials telling CNN at this hour that the U.S. military has moved more assets search and rescue assets into Northern Iraq. We're going to have more on this breaking headline in just a moment. It comes as Jordan's King Abdullah vows a quote-unquote, "relentless war against ISIS" even after executing two terrorists in retaliation for the brutal murder of that Jordanian pilot burned alive. Across Jordan, large angry demonstrations on the streets, they are calling for retaliation against ISIS. It's support the king will need as he widens Jordan's war against ISIS. ISIS today responding releasing another video allegedly showing clearing crowds reacting to the video of the pilots horrific execution. It includes a tight shot of a young boy saying he would burn the pilot himself if he got the chance. Barbara Starr is OUTFRONT tonight. Barbara, you're breaking the story about a move of more American assets in Northern Iraq. What can you tell us?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good evening, Erin. There's a lot to understand behind the scenes. There are certain rescue assets. Essentially aircraft that would go in with troops and try and rescue any downed pilot on the ground. Any pilot from the coalition. And you'll remember the Jordanian pilot had mechanical trouble. He ejected, he went down inside Syria. Since that, the coalition, some members especially the United Arab Emirates have been concerned that search and rescue assets were not close enough by if one of their pilots went down. Now, tonight, we know that the U.S. has moved some additional air assets, some additional rescue aircraft into northern Iraq. But I can't emphasize strongly enough. We're being told it is not because of this situation that the UAE got out of the coalition air strikes because it was concerned. It's not because of the Jordanian pilot in particular. In fact, what really happens is the coalition moves these air assets for search and rescue around all the time depending on where the targets are, depending on what they're doing. So, it's something to carefully watch but it just gives us more insight into how the coalition is operating and how they move things around as they begin to go after all of these targets deep inside Syria Erin.
[Burnett:] Of course, as the U.S. President is about to ask for authorization for force. And the questions are, what would that mean? Will that mean more? Barbara, ISIS releasing another video, you know, that young buy we were just talking about saying he would burn alive that pilot if he had the chance. What can you tell us about this video?
[Starr:] Well, the video is terribly disturbing because of course it shows people in Raqqa Syria, which is the ISIS stronghold in Northern Syria assembling outside, watching a number of large video screens, watching the execution, chanting and cheering. Look, Raqqa the town is in ISIS stronghold. But I think it needs to be said, we do not know how many of these people may have been compelled by ISIS to turn out on the street and watch all of this Erin.
[Burnett:] Barbara, thank you. And also tonight, there are new questions about whether the President's much touted coalition to fight ISIS is crumbling. Michelle Kosinski is OUTFRONT.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] The king of Jordan now back home to grief and rage over the vicious murder of pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh. And now promising relentless war against ISIS. Jordanian is vowing revenge, an earth shaking response. That means preparing to step up air strikes. While in Washington the king told senators needs more help.
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] We need some technical types of more sophisticated weaponry. There's a huge bureaucratic bottleneck in the State Department.
[Kosinski:] At the same time comes the news never mentioned by the administration that the United Arab Emirates another key regional partner has suspended its airstrikes after al-Kasasbeh was captured in December. The White House today downplayed any impact of using this race to air power.
[Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary:] Well, we certainly have appreciated the wide range of commitments that the United Arab Emirates has made to this broader coalition including the military commitment. But, you know, John, I can tell you that the pace of operations in Syria has not slowed.
[Kosinski:] The administration touts that the coalition is 60 countries strong. When you look at who is actually conducting airstrikes that number drops way down to eight in Iraq and in Syria now only four. The U.S., Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. The U.S. still doing the lion's share. Nine hundred forty three airstrikes in Syria. Four of the other nations combined have done 79. That means those Arab countries in that region have contributed only about three percent of total airstrikes. So, will they step up after a Muslim coalition soldier was burned alive?
[Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling , Cnn Military Analyst:] As terrible as this thing was it was a gelling force. It caused the country of Jordan to realize that first of all they were next in the crosshairs of ISIS but secondly it also shows what a dastardly organization this is in terms of killing Muslims. They are killing more fellow Muslims than they are westerners in this conflict.
[Kosinski:] Analysts see that this will have a real mobilizing effect especially on Arab partners feeling that the UAE suspension of air strikes will be only temporary that they too will feel pressure to do more. And that possibly the most important contribution that Jordan can increase, it's not just the airstrikes but intelligence getting into those tribes across the border and that is seen as being crucially important for. Even being able to target ISIS Erin.
[Burnett:] All right. Michelle, thank you very much. Certainly they did have excellent intelligence. They figured out when the pilot in fact had been killed. Something western intelligence could not do. OUTFRONT tonight, the former Navy SEAL Team 6 member who shot Osama bin Laden Robert O'Neill along with CNN military analyst General James "Spider" Marks. General Marks, let me start with you. United Arab Emirates suspending its participation airstrikes back in December. They're saying there weren't adequate procedures in place to rescue captured personnel. Look, it's a serious issue. Maybe a fair point. But I am a bit confused by it. Because it seems if you're going to war you're part of a coalition, you are going to accept that some of your fighting force may die, is going to risk their life. Right? You can't say, well, I'm only going to go in if I'm sure that no one is going to get hurt. Right?
[Gen. James "spider" Marks, Cnn Military Analyst:] Erin, completely, what you do is do your risk assessment and then you try to mitigate that risk and you make a determination as to whether you can execute the tasks as defined with the resources available in the training of the personnel. Look, ISIS achieved its objective. UAE has now backed out of the coalition. It's not going to participate because of this barbarous, heinous terrible act that occurred. ISIS right now is checking a block saying, okay, that's one less coalition partner. The real issue is, how do you step up the pressure against ISIS that gets well beyond just air strikes. These are very aggressive air strikes and they're very pointed. The case in point is you've got to contain it and then at some point there has to be without doubt. There has to be a coalition that allows for boots on the ground and it's got to have moderate Arab nations that are bringing this force to bear.
[Burnett:] Right. And not just small parts of it. I mean, key parts of it. Rob, when you look at the landscape in Syria, obviously it's a complete war zone. The United States has no intelligence on the ground. You've been on many rescue missions obviously, also including the mission to rescue Captain Phillips from Somali pirates. If there was an American pilot being held by ISIS right now like that Jordanian pilot was being held. Would you feel comfortable, given this environment, going in to try to rescue him?
[Robert O'neill, Former Navy Seal:] Good evening, Erin. Thanks for having me again. Obviously, if there was an American pilot on the ground, we would be doing everything we could as I'm sure we did with the Jordanian pilot. Would we be comfortable? Probably not just due to a sort of a vacuum and a luck of intelligence on the ground. Like General Marks said, we're going to need boots on the ground, not necessarily Americans but definitely coalition especially Arab allies. Right now we don't have it. So, that leads to everything, you know, how are we getting there? How is on the way in, is there going to be resistance? When we land, how much resistance? Would it be the right place? If it's not the right place is it booby trapped? How are we going to get out? Things like that, so a luck of coalition boots on the ground makes a rescue operation I'll be it possible not as likely as we did have people on the ground.
[Burnett:] All right. Interesting point about the boots on the ground. So, General Marks, look, the latest numbers for the war against ISIS and Syria are this. Just to make the point. Ninety two percent of the air strikes have been conducted by the United States. About eight percent by Arab nations. So, the administration, you know, anytime we had an official on, they talked about the 60 countries involved in the U.S. coalition, right? This coalition word is a central to everything here. But when you hear numbers like that, is it a coalition?
[Marks:] It is certainly a coalition but not in its real full some kind of a rich complexity that you'd want to have with the various members. Clearly the United States always takes the lead and is willing to risk its young men and women like Roberts on missions like this in order to accomplish the task that our president has laid out for and we signed up for. And we have to drag along our partners, our coalition partners in order for them to step up. So, they sign up, they wanted to be a part of it but they're not willing to really do the heavy lifting. We have signed up for an intergenerational fight if this is Erin what is going to look like going forward, where the United States is going to do 90 percent of it. This is going to take over 20 years. We're going to have to accept it. It's the new normal. And we've talked about that. But the real notion of our being involved in this type of a fight going forward is real. It's accurate.
[Burnett:] Yes.
[Marks:] And it is going to include all elements of power in order to make it right.
[Burnett:] So, Rob, is there any hope to rescue the American woman? There's a 26-year-old American woman that we all know is being held by ISIS still tonight. Is there hope to rescue her?
[O'neill:] There's always going to be hope just based on every one on our side on the good guys' team. From the intelligence to the operators to the people that we do have on the ground. Yes, there's hope and we're very, very capable of it. But we just need to be more realistic. We need to increase our chances by improving our percentage on the battlefield then we need people on the ground to help us for the intelligence real time intelligence so we can get that but yes, there's always hope and I never doubt our men and women.
[Burnett:] And of course the questions comes down to who will those boots be on the ground? Whose troops? What country will send those men and women in? Thanks so much to both of you. OUTFRONT next, breaking news, the measles outbreak in America growing today. New numbers just coming in tonight. This is the surgeon general tells CNN that we're at a critical point in the fight against the virus. Plus, the last moments of TransAsia Flight 235 as it crashes into the river. Also, there were survivors miraculously. And we have their stories. And a commuter train slamming into an SUV dragging it 400 feet as the third rail into the train's first car. We have new details on what may have caused this horrific commuter crash.

[Cooper:] Tonight, firefighters in Northern Arizona are battling a fire that already consumed close to 5,000 acres started on Tuesday just north of Sedona near Slide Rock State Park. Since then it has become an inferno. Hundreds of homes and cabins are at risk in the popular resort area. Evacuations have begun. I mean, the flames, look at them, just crazy, out of control. Thousands have been put on notice that they could be forced to flee and just like in Southern California the fierce wildfire is getting a jump on the fire season threatening lives and property. Ana Cabrera has the latest.
[Ana Cabrera, Cnn Correspondent:] Zero percent contained, ominous words from fire officials battling a wildfire that's spreading rapidly. Dubbed the slide fire the blaze near Sedona, Arizona has already scorched nearly 5,000 acres, the tender dry region is textbook for fires to burn out of control.
[Capt. Bill Morse, Flagstaff, Arizona Fire Department:] Fire gets into that steep terrain with heavy fuels and it is wind-driven, it is a bad combination and the potential for a catastrophic wildfire.
[Cabrera:] Planes and choppers swoop in, spraying water where hundreds of firefighters are on the front lines battling the fire that is threatening over 3,000 residents.
[Unidentified Male:] It is my home, property and livelihood, everything.
[Cabrera:] Frank Garrison owns 20 rental cabins in the area, a popular tourist destination.
[Frank Garrison, Resident:] We were able to get all of our employees out. My family out and guests out.
[Cabrera:] Residents are bracing for the worst.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm getting ready to get the hell out of here.
[Cabrera:] Rushing to grab whatever belongings they can before evacuating.
[Unidentified Male:] I hear it is close, coming, zero percent contained at this point so we have some trying to be ahead of the game.
[Cabrera:] One woman desperately trying to find all of her cats.
[Amy Reese, Resident:] We're just trying to round them up and get them to a safer place. So I have three right now and we're looking for about six.
[Cabrera:] Authorities say the cause of the fire is under investigation, but that it was probably started by a person.
[Morse:] It is a big fire, a bit of a beast.
[Cabrera:] A beast at the beginning of a fire season that authorities fear could be long and destructive.
[Cooper:] Ana Cabrera joining us from Flagstaff, so what is the latest, have any structures been damaged?
[Cabrera:] The good news is no homes damaged. So far no injuries and at last check the fire was some three, three and a half miles from those homes. The side where the firefighters are concentrating their efforts. The northwest flank of the area where they're doing dropouts or burnouts, dropping the fire retardant, we're not out of the woods yet, Anderson. We are told, you know, the next three hours will be crucial. Mother Mature is the big x factor and the winds are still not predictable. You see the huge plume of smoke that is really magnified because the sun is setting, here behind me showing the fire activity is still burning very hot. We're told if we can get through today then fire crews will feel a lot more confident about getting the fire under control Anderson.
[Cooper:] All right, well, we wish them well. Thanks very much. There is a lot more happening tonight. Susan Hendricks is here with the 360 Bulletin Susan.
[Susan Hendricks, Cnn Correspondent:] Anderson, actor, Michael Jace who played a police officer on "The Shield" has been formally charged with one count of murder in the shooting death of his wife. April Jace was found dead at the couple's home on Monday after her husband called 911 to report that she had been shot. The U.S. agency that investigates air crashes is calling for better testing of lithium ion batteries on the Boeing 787 Dreamliners. The NTSB also says the FAA needs to revise its 2008 battery standards for all aircraft. Here is why, this is what can happen when lithium-ion batteries short circuit and overheat, which led to a fire on a Boeing Dreamliner a year ago. And look here, a baby in China falling from a window ledge. Wow, do you believe that? He catches the baby. He was a street vendor, Anderson. He was just standing there and was able to catch the baby. That is amazing to see.
[Cooper:] And how is the camera right there?
[Hendricks:] I know. It looks like maybe surveillance video. It is moving a little bit. But he said look, it was human instinct, I'm not a hero. I say he is.
[Cooper:] Wow. Susan, thanks very much. Up next, one woman's incredible story of survival. Did doctors tell you how much longer you could have survived?
[Unidentified Female:] What my parents told me that they were told was probably another eight hours.
[Cooper:] Eight hours.
[Unidentified Female:] And then I would have passed.
[Cooper:] Her name is Kristin Hopkins. She survived a terrible car crash. That is how her car ended up. She was stuck in that car for five days. Her body was broken, her will to live could not be beaten. Also ahead, new information about the greatest art heist the world has ever seen. We'll look back at how the thieves pulled it off and where the paintings may now be.

[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Hi there. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for joining me here. Off the bat we begin with Veteran Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki and some news we have today because he now, according to the White House, may be, quote, "on thin ice." And now you have this growing list of Senate Democrats already having him in hot water. It seems like every hour there is another press release out. You have senators Al Franken, Kay Hagan, Martin Heinrich, Jeanne Shaheen, Mark Udall, Tom Udall, John Walsh and Mark Warner all saying it's time for the secretary of Veterans Affairs to go. Along with the pressure of the investigation at the V.A., it is now widening after a scathing report that we brought to you right around this time yesterday. It says at least 1,700 veterans at just one hospital were never scheduled for an appointment. They were just not on the list, period. And then there were more allegations of mismanagement, sexual harassment, bullying by managers. Today, the demand for action went higher than the secretary. It went all the way to the Oval Office.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] I'm going to continue to reserve judgment on General Shinseki. You know, the question I ask myself is, is him resigning going to get us to the bottom of the problem? Is it going to help us find out what's really going on? And the answer I keep getting is no. But the real issue here is that the president is the one who should be held accountable.
[Baldwin:] Well, in just a couple of minutes, we'll talk live with a veteran in Phoenix who says he warned Secretary Shinseki and Senator John McCain. Here's his letter to McCain. And we have McCain's response as well. Hear about these problems that he outlined, but he says no one listened. That's the issue. McCain's camp, though,
[Arthur Chu, Contributor, "the Daily Beast":] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] It was an incredible piece. A very real, very honest piece you wrote for "The Daily Beast." And here, you know, as you say this as you are a self-professed nerd, can you just explain to me why this shooting in particular hit you so strongly, so personally?
[Chu:] Well, it's the fact that this is kind of a script that we've all heard before. That, you know, I think every guy who's struggled with fitting into society, with feeling excluded, we kind of locate a lot of that in women. That we look at rejection by women as being this huge significant thing in our lives. And, I mean, I was inspired to write the piece mainly by this hash tag, this topic on Twitter, "yes all women," where a lot of women began just spontaneously sharing stories about how, no, mass shootings don't happen every day but this kind of language, this kind of logic of entitlement, men thinking they have the right to something from women and acting out in violence if they don't get it, that that's part of lots and lots of people's lives and we need to think about that and not turn away from it.
[Baldwin:] Let me get right to that because it's interesting, I keep hearing you say "we." And in this piece you call yourself a coward. You say that you have known nerdy male stalkers. You say, yes, you have known
[Chu:] That's the I mean that's the the terrible thing is it's human nature when something is the way that it's always been or you've been taught it's the way it's always been. You look at it and you feel that it's terrible but you don't you don't feel moved to take action. You know, it's the as soon as we get the sense that it's normal, you know, the whole Kitty Geniveses story, it was the bystander affect. We get the sense it's not my job to deal with it and
[Baldwin:] The normal. When you say the normal, you're going beyond. You're saying the nerdy guy who not just fixates on some hot chick forgive me but I'm just being real with you and then stalks that person et cetera. You're saying that is accepted?
[Chu:] That it happens, yes.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Chu:] It happens it happens a lot. And, you know, I don't think anybody approves of it or likes it. But speaking just from my own experience, I know that we saw that happen, you know? Other people saw that happen. We all have stories of seeing saying, something's not right about this situation or hearing accounts, something's not is not right that's going on but it's not my business so I'll stay out of it. And that's how you get stories of horrible abuse, you know, child abuse, abuse of partners, stalking, harassment, that goes on for a long, long time. And all the signs are there and no one does anything and it's very frustrating.
[Baldwin:] Yes. I want to we'll get to your point at the very end of sort of this message to all of us and the responsibility to stop this. But you cite, Arthur, you cite these multiple examples in TV and pop culture of nerdy guys who lust after, you know, the hot chick. You point out Lewis from "Revenge of the Nerds." You point out Steve Urkel from "Family Matters." You say we are not Preston Meyers from "Can't Hardly Wait." We are not Seth Rogan in every Seth Rogan movie that he's been in. But, you know, then you can't blame Hollywood, Arthur Chu. No one, you know, makes nerds this or the delusional Elliot Rodgers of the world. No one makes them watch the shows. That's just wrong of you. What do you say to those people?
[Chu:] I'm not I'm not looking to blame. I'm not going to put anyone on trial. I don't think the point is to find out who's at fault. Hollywood isn't you know, doesn't control our society. Our society controls Hollywood. All Hollywood does is amplify and reflect the messages that we send to producers that we want to hear. They tell us what we want to hear.
[Baldwin:] And fill the theaters and make the money, right?
[Chu:] Yes. Yes. So it's a conversation we should have. We can't do it by banning movies or yelling at filmmakers, but we need to ask ourselves, you know, when I say I enjoy this movie and identify with it, what am I really saying? Is there other things that I need to address in my attitude instead of just, you know, assuming that it's a fantasy, so anything goes, you know?
[Baldwin:] In the adjusting, and I just have to get this in, you end your piece with, "what did Elliot Rodger need? He didn't need to get laid. None of us nerdy, frustrated guys need to get laid. When I was a
[Chu:] That's the million dollar question, isn't it?
[Baldwin:] Right.
[Chu:] There's no there's no magic switch. There's no magic pill. I don't know how to help Elliot Rodger, if he could have been helped. But the first thing is to just listen. You know, listen to women and listen to their perspective instead of making it about you. The whole thing about Elliot Rodgers, he talked for 140 pages about himself, never even like named other people that supposedly he was so fixated on, these women that he was obsessed over, you know? It's it's striking.
[Baldwin:] It's beyond striking, but, Arthur Chu, I loved your I loved the genuineness and the candor in your piece. Folks, go to "Daily Beast" to read this. Arthur, thank you so much for coming on with me. Appreciate it.
[Chu:] Thank you.
[Baldwin:] And now to this. Outrage and just absolute embarrassment. A couple of words to describe this devastating new development here in the hunt for this missing plane, Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. You remember when Australian authorities said last month that they were quoteunquote very confident that pings picked up in the area of the southern Indian Ocean were, in fact, the missing plane's black boxes? About that. A U.S. Navy official telling CNN that the pings were not from the plane's black boxes at all. Authorities now believe the sound came from some other man made source unrelated to the jetliner. And if the blows here couldn't get any worse, you have now Australian authorities saying this search area in the Indian Ocean can now be discounted as the plane's final resting place. Translation, this underwater drone that scoured the ocean floor for weeks and weeks was a waste of time, money, and it searched the wrong area. CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest is joining me now. I tell you, when I read that word discounted this morning
[Richard Quest, Cnn Aviation Correspondent:] Whoa.
[Baldwin:] Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[Quest:] How whoa.
[Baldwin:] It's that's what they're saying.
[Quest:] I'm taking you to task here. The they were working with the best information they had at the time. And, yes, of course Australia is now going to say that that's that the plane isn't there because they've searched it and they've realized they were in the wrong place. But when they heard well, let's go back. Let's have a reality check.
[Baldwin:] Take me back. Take me back.
[Quest:] When they when they heard the pings, it was in the right vicinity of the seventh handshake. It was at the endurance limit of the aircraft's fuel supply. So it's not as if that they I mean they were searching in that area particularly for a reason. They then heard the pings which comported to a particular form. They then passed it on to the Australian Acoustic Center for Excellence who agrees. The manufacturer also agrees. To be sure, Brooke, there are some certain questions about the frequency, about the distances, but they've got nothing else to go on. Now you tell me, what would you have had them do?
[Baldwin:] And they have families clamoring and wanting answers and so they search and they search and they search. Here's my next question then.
[Quest:] It is
[Baldwin:] Here's my next question then. I mean are they were they at least in the ballpark? Do we know that at least this plane is somewhere in this southern arc, this southern Indian Ocean? What's the answer though?
[Quest:] Yes, they are still saying, absolutely
[Baldwin:] OK.
[Quest:] They are still believing the Inmarsat data is good. The Australians are still saying that they believe it is in that vicinity. They've just got to work out where on the arc that it actually is. And that's why the search is going to be expanded. That's why they are biometrically bathymetrically, I beg your pardon, going over the ground. That's why they're going to put it out to tender. But I think the level of Monday morning quarterbacking that now goes to this search that clearly was wrong and clearly was failed doesn't hold up bearing in mind the intensity to get the thing underway.
[Baldwin:] OK. Just quickly, when does that new search begin?
[Quest:] Bad news on that. They will be searching the ground for a few more months. They will then put it out to tender. The tender should be underway by maybe August or September. They'll be back in the water. And here's the really bad news. The Australians say it could take up to 12 months for a newly defined area to be searched.
[Baldwin:] OK. Richard Quest, thank you. We'll wait until then, I suppose. Just ahead here, the number of Democrats calling on the Veteran Affairs secretary to resign is now rising by the hour. My next guest says he tried to warn Secretary Eric Shinseki and the senator from his own state, John McCain, about the problems a couple of years ago. You will hear from this man directly live coming up. Plus, Brad Pitt attacked on the red carpet by a man who apparently has this long history of incidents with stars. Who is that guy and what happened? Also ahead of tonight's very exciting premiere of the CNN TV series, "The Sixties," you are about to hear from the man playing LBJ on Broadway. I've seen it. It is awesome. "Breaking Bad's" own Bryan Cranston. Do not miss this CNN interview.

[Whitfield:] A dramatic twist in the trial of alleged Boston mob boss, Whitey Bulger. A potential witness was found dead a day after he learned he was dropped from the prosecution's witness list. Our legal guys are back, Avery Friedman in Cleveland, Richard Herman in Las Vegas. All right, good to see you guys again. OK, so let's set the scene a bit here. Stephen Rakes body was discovered on a roadside about 20 miles northwest of Boston. The D.A.'s Office says the autopsy revealed no obvious signs of trauma, but police are still investigating. Rakes has claimed that he was forced to give up his South Boston liquor store so Whitey Bulger could turn it into a front for his mob gang. So with this suspicious death of a potential witness, has that now shaken up the case, potentially scare off other potential witnesses, Avery?
[Friedman:] Wow. Well, I'll tell you something. Rakes really wanted to testify in this case and they find him dead this week. On top of that, the number two guy in the Winterhouse Gang, which was headed up by Bulger testified. That was Stephen "The Rifleman" Fleming and he actually talked about having to work with number one, with Bulger, in strangling his girlfriend. On top of that, there's a battle about who's a rat to whom and which FBI was taking money? Fredricka, you couldn't hire screenwriters to come up with this kind of a story. It is absolutely amazing, and wait for the cross-examination, which will be starting on Monday.
[Whitfield:] And then, Richard, you have a situation where you've got potential a witness leaving the stand. Mouthing off saying a few things to Bulger, he's saying a few things in return, and then they go, you know, their own way after not seeing each other for many, many years. This is quite the soap opera in this courtroom.
[Herman:] Fred, this is better than "The Sopranos." But Avery, I just want to be clear. So you were being antagonistic towards "The Rifleman," right? Is that what you were doing just now, Avery?
[Friedman:] Yes. That's right. Exactly right.
[Herman:] OK. Anyway, Fred, this case I'm going to duck. Nineteen murders here, Fred, are coming out during the course of this trial. It's a massive Rico trial. Everyone's a rat. Everyone's giving up everybody. You know, even Whitey Bulger was a rat for a few years and then he got the tip-off despite the government. They're going to press additional charges against him. So he went on the lam. He hid for so long. They found him and now everybody is laying it on because everybody wants substantial assistance. They want to reduce their prison terms and are saying anything and everything about Whitey Bulger.
[Whitfield:] So some interesting pleas, plea deals, or exchange deals that have been offered here.
[Herman:] Cooperation, cooperation deals.
[Whitfield:] Cooperation, OK.
[Herman:] There you go.
[Whitfield:] Let's talk about another case involving the wrongful death case against AEG. You've got the former pop star, Michael Jackson's mom, Katherine Jackson, taking to the stand, getting very emotional saying that she wants to know what really happened to her son. How impactful is the testimony of, you know, Katherine Jackson on the stand there, Richard?
[Herman:] Yes, Fred, it has to be gut wrenching. You know, just like Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin are experiencing the loss of a son. She experienced the loss of her son. It's unnatural for a parent to have to bury a child. That's what's going on. They laid it on today. They made her go through the beginning of the career of Michael Jackson, when he started singing. It's gut wrenching to hear this as juror. At the end of the day, though, I don't know if her testimony makes or breaks the case. The issue is whether or not AEG negligently hired Conrad Murray. That's really the issue before the jury, but it was compelling testimony, Fred.
[Whitfield:] Yes, and that given the case, Avery, thus far is that being established?
[Friedman:] I think there are some evidence that the jury is going to be able to consider it. It's not going to be thrown out in the middle of the case, but let me tell you something. The jury has been there 12 weeks, Fredricka, and the people that represent the estate are now trying to end their piece of it by by the by crescendoing the case and bringing in Katherine Jackson, and she's the sympathetic mother of Michael Jackson. What's very interesting is the judge even permitted a montage of the children and grandchildren with Michael Jackson singing in the background. I mean, ordinarily that's not evidence, but, remember, we're Los Angeles. So these sorts of things get in, and then we will start up the defense. The defense of this case, we're going hear what AEG Live has to say, but up to this point, Katherine Jackson, was exactly the witness that should have ended this case.
[Whitfield:] Pulling at the heartstrings. All right, Avery, Richard.
[Friedman:] That's for sure.
[Whitfield:] Thank you so much.
[Herman:] Good to see you. Great seeing you, Fred.
[Friedman:] All the best.
[Whitfield:] All right, of course, you can always catch the legal guys here every Saturday. They are so committed about this time with their take on the most intriguing and fascinating legal cases of the day, the week, the year. You name it. Whatever it is, they're here. We can count on them. Thanks so much, guys.

[Costello:] One of the many frightening things about the terror group, ISIS, is its ability to successfully recruit newcomers, including those from the West. Well, today, a Virginia woman is charged with lying about her ties to the terror group and social media postings promoting ISIS. CNN's Deborah Feyerick is chasing down the details. She joins me live with more.
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn National Correspondent:] Yes. And, you know, this is a woman who allegedly talked her sister into jihad and following ISIS. She's 29-year-old Heather Coffman, accused of working as an ISIS recruiter, someone who could help people get to Syria and join the blood thirsty terrorist group. Well, according to an FBI criminal complaint, she tried to recruit two people, including an undercover FBI agent. In the first case, a man she claimed to be her husband, but whom she had never met, well, she allegedly set him up with brothers who could get him contacts and get him into Turkey. The man ultimately changed his mind, he stayed in Macedonia instead, and that really seemed to annoy her. But in all of this, the initial red flags were that Coffman was very active on Facebook. She created about a half dozen accounts. In each, it appears that she was becoming more and more radicalized. FBI agents were able to get a search warrant for the Facebook accounts and found a history of ISIS writings, listing her work as jihad for Allah's sake, posting images of black ISIS flags, as well as promoting Allah and the fight. Now, an undercover agent met with Coffman several times, expressing his interest in jihad and she said that she could find someone who was a legitimate facilitator to get him to Syria. At least one of the meetings was recorded with Coffman creating a code, and language allegedly in order to avoid detection. When confronted in her office by FBI agents, she denied the activity. She was charged with lying and also providing materials to support terrorists.
[Costello:] So, they actually have a link between this woman and ISIS. She was actually communicating with them?
[Feyerick:] She was she was communicating about them. She was communicating about them, but what really concerned them is they went into the Facebook account and they began to look at the things she was saying, and also, she began to fancy herself a recruiter. And she was making contacts with this man in Macedonia and she was sort of getting this you know, when the FBI agent, the undercover agent said, I want to go, she said, I think I can set you up with a legitimate facilitator. So, she was acting as a broker. Could she have done it? Unclear. But she advanced herself as such. And no comment from her lawyers.
[Costello:] I was wondering, who is this woman?
[Feyerick:] We are learning about her and we will have a lot more later on in the hour.
[Costello:] I'm sure you will. Deborah Feyerick, thanks so much. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, one Senate vote. That's what's stopping a showdown between the president and Congress on the Keystone pipeline. I'll talk to Indiana Senator Dan Coats about today's vote and more, next.

[Berman:] So for the fifth time in 16 years, the San Antonio Spurs are the NBA champs. They beat the two-time defending champion Miami Heat, and they did it in dominating fashion.
[Romans:] Berman keeps saying amazing, amazing, amazing. Is he right, Joe?
[Joe Carter, Bleacher Report:] Yes, yes. It's remarkable, really, it is. When you look at the fact that the Spurs just I mean just because they are a small market team, we don't talk about them as much. But it's remarkable. I mean, if this team as based in L.A. or New York or Chicago, they would be definitely identified as an incredible dynasty. But you can't ignore the fact that this was supposed to be one of the most competitive series, considering the fact last year it was so competitive. It was going to be a rematch of the ages. But it wasn't even close. The Spurs got this one done in five games. They won all four games by double digits. When you add up those wins, it actually goes down as the largest margin of victory in the history of the NBA finals. So sort of boring to watch, if you're the average fan. And what can you say but remarkable. Coach Popovich did it again with these guys. Five titles in 16 years as John Berman said, and Tim Duncan, who's been the driving force behind all five of those titles, is the first player to win a title in three different decades.
[Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs Player:] It's amazing to think about having done this five times. And for the stretch and the span between them, to still be in a situation where we can win or I can win another championship has been an amazing blessing.
[Carter:] Five titles and two cute kids. The finals loss is certainly going to make for interesting summer in South Beach. The future of the Big Three is up in the air Lebron, Dwayne and Bosh can all opt out of their contracts and leave Miami, if they so choose. Well, trending this morning on bleacherreport.com, Martin Kaymer routs the filed at the U.S. Open. He won a second career major by eight strokes Sunday. And it was really a formality round for him because he had played so well during the first two days of the tournament. He shot back-to-back 65s on Thursday and Friday. Kaymer's win on Fathers' Day comes on the heels of his win at the Players Championship, which happened to be on Mothers' Day. Well, history is made yesterday in Brazil during the France-Honduras match. A FIFA used the controversial goal line technology to confirm a goal by France in the 49th minute. This is the first time the new technology was used in an international match to confirm a goal in the game. The technology is very similar to what's used in professional tennis to identify whether the ball is in or out. And, guys, I know John is geeked up for this. Team USA plays later today. They play Ghana in their first World Cup match at 6:00 p.m. Eastern. It's game time. And, considering their group, John, I think we both can agree on this, today is a must win for the U.S. men.
[Berman:] Must win. This is one of the biggest games in U.S. soccer history. I recommend everyone watch and cheer on this team tonight. Joe Carter, great to see you. Thanks so much. This has been one of the most entertaining World Cups really I've ever seen.
[Romans:] What time is that game?
[Berman:] That game's at 6:00 tonight. Which means it will run slightly past our bedtime. So I will be tired tomorrow morning. But hopefully happy and tired.
[Romans:] All right, happening now, Iraq in crisis. Terrorists slaughtering soldiers in the streets; the United States now evacuating its embassy and finding an unlikely ally to stop complete chaos from erupting. We've got live team coverage of the situation in Iraq right after the break.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news, a qualified cease-fire now in place after fierce fighting overnight. Another U.N. shelter is hit by shelling. Israel being called out by the U.S. and U.N. Anderson Cooper is there.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Also breaking, swept away. Take a look at this video. Fast-moving mudslides sweeping away homes, burying cars in California. Thousands stranded, including about 500 kids at camp. Rescue operations are still happening at this hour. We have the very latest.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Dramatic change in a sudden reversal of fortune. The doctor battling Ebola, his prognosis is improving, this after he walked into the U.S. clinic by himself. His fellow American set to be flown back soon. Dr. Sanjay Gupta has the very latest.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now. Good morning to our viewers from across the U.S. and around the world. Welcome to NEW DAY. It is Monday, August 4th, 6:00 in the East. We begin with breaking developments in the Middle East where Israel is almost three hours into a one-sided cease-fire. The situation on the ground already seems to suggest otherwise. Israel said it would hold its fire for seven hours. A Palestinian official claims an air strike was launched shortly after the pause took effect injuring 30 people, making the cease-fire more dubious, Hamas never even agreed to it.
[Kate Bolduan:] One of the big reasons, this comes a day after another deadly air strike near a U.N. shelter that drew some of the strongest criticism yet coming from both the United Nations and the United States. Anderson Cooper is joining us from Jerusalem on the ground there this morning with the very latest. So what is it looking like just a few short hours into this cease-fire Anderson.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor, "ac360":] About three hours into this cease-fire Israel has said there's been at least 23 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza since midnight East Coast time. But I want to get you the latest details on the cease-fire. Despite the early trouble we told you about, we're about three hours in with four hours to go. Israel agreed to hold its fire despite refusals by Hamas to commit as you mentioned. Israel say it is truce does not apply to soldiers working to destroy terror tunnels including tunnels into Israel. The IDF, Israel Defense Forces say it will respond if fired upon. A senior Palestinian Jihad operative was killed. We believe Donian Monsieur was targeted before the cease-fire began. The pause in hostilities comes in the wake of another air strike near a U.N. shelter. The United States went to call it disgraceful despite them claiming that they were targeting for more response, let's go to John Vause. John?
[John Vause, Cnn Correspondent:] Anderson, well, as you say, three hours into the cease-fire here in Gaza City, at least, roads are once again jammed. The shops are opened, the markets are crowded. Many people taking an opportunity just to simply head out and resupply. Children heading out to play in the open. Something they haven't been able to do safely for many, many weeks. Israel says it is investigating what may have been a strike on a house here in Gaza City about 20 minutes into that humanitarian window. Right now, they say they do not know what happened, what may not have happened. But the Palestinians say the home was hit by an air strike. Thirty people were hurt. At least one person, an 8-year-old child was killed. The Israelis say this is a limited cease-fire. Their military operations are continuing especially in the southern part of Gaza.
[Vause:] This morning, Gaza is just hours into another humanitarian cease-fire. Israel Defense Forces declaring the seven- hour window allowing food, water and medical supplies to enter Gaza, help for families devastated by attacks. But this humanitarian pause excludes areas still occupied by the IDF including the town of Raffa. When firing took place early Sunday near a U.N. boys school sheltering 3,000 people. An explosion hit just outside the school's main gate injuring dozens, leaving at least nine dead. It's the seventh U.N. school rocked by violence in the past month. The U.S. State Department released a scathing statement condemning the strike near the school calling the incident appalling and disgraceful saying in part U.N. facilities, especially those sheltering civilians must be protected and must not be used as bases from which to launch attacks. The U.N. secretary general calling it a, quote, "moral outrage and a criminal act." Over the weekend dozens of powerful explosions rattled the Israeli-Gaza border, Israeli military saying more than 100 rockets had been fired towards Israel on Sunday alone. Hamas says the reasons why they're not entering into this seven-hour-long pause in the fighting, they say, first, they don't trust the Israelis, and secondly, they say this humanitarian window is just simply an attempt to divert attention from what happened at that U.N. school in Raffa over the weekend Anderson.
[Cooper:] All right, John Vause from Gaza. John, thanks. I want to get more perspective now in the Israeli side from Mark Regev. He is the chief spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Thanks for being with us this morning. First of all, let's talk about the cease-fire as it currently exist, 23 rockets Israel is saying has come in from Gaza since midnight time East Coast. Palestinian officials are saying that violated the cease- fire 20 minutes into it with a strike.
[Mark Regev, Spokesman For Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:] That's not true. When we give an order from our forces to hold fire, they hold fire. From 10:00 this morning local time, we've ceased all offensive operations against terror targets in Gaza except for the specific locations like in Raffa where we have an underground operation to find the tunnels and terror targets. Yesterday some 220 trucks entered the Gaza Strip with humanitarian support. We're working to fix power lines. We were working to fix water pipes to make sure that the people of Gaza receive both power and water. We've said to all foreign governments and aid agencies, anything that you want to send to Gaza, we will facilitate that aid reaching the people of Gaza.
[Cooper:] What about the strike on the house at 10:20?
[Regev:] I'm not aware of that. I can't tell you that it is Israeli ordnance. We've had examples in the past. We have Palestinian munitions have gone off or rockets have pulled in short. We don't know what happened in this case.
[Cooper:] To Palestinian officials who say this seven-hour cease-fire by Israel, unilateral, is really a smoke screen to deflect attention from the criticism that Israel received, really very strong criticism from the U.N. calling it a criminal act, even from the United States, calling it disgraceful. Why strike near a shelter where you know there are some 3,000 people?
[Regev:] First of all, this is the seventh humanitarian cease-fire that Israel has agreed to or initiated.
[Cooper:] It's also the seventh strike near a U.N. school.
[Regev:] If we want to discuss the U.N., let's be clear. What yesterday we're reviewing very carefully. We do know that there was a legitimate target. Three members of Islamic Jihad who we successfully targeted. It appears people were killed in collateral damage. I don't know if that's because of our ordnance or they were carrying explosives and therefore, there was a larger explosion that people were killed. We don't know yet. We'll look into it.
[Cooper:] The United States says nevertheless, even if there are militants operating nearby that Israel must take greater caution when they know that there are thousands of civilians sheltering in a place that you have told them to leave one area. There's not many places that they can go.
[Regev:] Let's be clear. No ordinance fell in the U.N. school. No one inside the school was hurt. We don't target U.N. facilities.
[Cooper:] People outside the school, though, there were a large number of deaths and injuries.
[Regev:] That's correct. We want to minimize we don't want a single civilian casualty in Gaza. That's not going.
[Cooper:] To hear the United States saying, though, that Israel has to take greater caution, greater thought to live up to their own desire not to attack civilians, you say what? Is it appropriate? They say it's not appropriate to fire artillery shells into such densely populated areas.
[Regev:] Yesterday, it wasn't artillery shells. Let's be clear. Yesterday, it was a specific missile that hit those Islamic-Jihad people. It was targeted hitting that collateral damage apparently hurt other poeple. It wasn't artillery fire or mortar fire. It was a specific rocket. Having said that, we do hold ourselves to a very high standard. When innocent civilians are caught up in the crossfire between us and Hamas, it's an operational failure from our point of view. It's something we deeply regret. We don't want to see innocent civilians caught up in a crossfire.
[Cooper:] What happens at the end of this seven-hour window?
[Regev:] We will return to operations against terror targets in Gaza. Ground forces are winding up the operations against the tunnels. We are winding up other operations. We are redeploying our forces in defensive positions.
[Cooper:] So does that mean no Israeli troops in Gaza?
[Regev:] It's too early to say that because the operation in Raffa, of course, is continuing. We've got a very aggressive and nerve center there of tunnels and Hamas activity that has to be dealt with.
[Cooper:] But when you say you're going to withdraw to defense positions, does that mean out of Gaza?
[Regev:] Some in, some out.
[Cooper:] And in terms of any kind of negotiations, there are Palestinians waiting in Egypt and saying they're willing to talk?
[Regev:] We are, of course, our level of faith in Hamas' ability to honor any arrangement made internationally is at an all-time low. What happened on Friday, we were given assurances, the U.N., the Americans were given assurances from the Qataris that all Palestinian factions would abide by that cease-fire. Then 1-12 hours into the ceasefire we're brutally attacked and three people are killed.
[Cooper:] What do you now know about that incident, though, that you didn't know on Friday? On Friday, you thought that the Israeli soldier had been captured, thought there was a suicide attack. Now neither of those are the case?
[Regev:] We were correct at the time. We said that we had two soldiers killed. He waited one or two hours before saying that because we have to notify the families. We said immediately soldiers have been killed and we said one of them has been abducted. We never said we knew he was alive. From our point of view, operationally you presume he's alive until otherwise determined. In the course of searching for him there was evidence discovered that he was unfortunately killed and he was buried, as you know, yesterday.
[Cooper:] Mark Regev, appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Obviously later this morning, we're going to have the Palestinian perspective with Ambassador Riad Monsieur, the Palestinian observer to the United Nation. Chris and Kate, back to you.
[Bolduan:] All right, Anderson, thanks so much. We're going to get back to you shortly. Anderson Cooper is on the ground for us in Jerusalem. Thanks so much. Let's get over to Michaela now.
[Pereira:] Good morning everyone. Let's give you a look at your headlines. In Iraq, ISIS militants are gaining crucial ground, seizing the country's largest hydroelectric dam. It provides power to Mosul, Iraq's second biggest city. After battles with security forces Sunday, Sunni extremists also seized control of three towns in Northern Iraq, sending thousands of people fleeing to the nearby mountains. Rescue operations under way this morning after a deadly 6.1 magnitude quake struck Southwestern China. At least 380 people are dead, nearly 2,000 are injured. Thousands of homes were destroyed. Right now, troops and firefighters are digging through rubble looking for survivors. However, heavy rain is blocking roads and slowing relief and rescue efforts on the ground. A Senate report detailing the CIA's controversial interrogation tactics in the wake of the 911 attacks. That could be released this week. The panel's top Republican says the 6,000-page report reflects how the CIA's techniques helped bring down Osama Bin Laden and disrupt terrorist plots. President Obama who banned the practices after taking office said, Friday the CIA had, quote, "Tortured some folks during George W. Bush's administration." Those are your headlines, guys.
[Bolduan:] Let's talk about Michaela's old stomping ground. California having a rough go over it right now. One person has died, thousands more stranded in Southern California. This all comes after heavy rain and mudslides pummelled San Bernardino County. Flash floods carrying heavy debris cut off roads to the towns of Forest Falls and Oak Glenn. Among the trapped right now, some 500 children at a church camp. Let's get over to meteorologist, Indra Petersons with a look at more on this. Was it too much rain in a short period of time? What's going on?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] It's exactly what's going on, Kate. When you think of Southern California, you probably think of dry drought conditions. But that is not the case in the summertime. You have monsoonal thunderstorms that can quickly bring heavy rain and deadly mudslides.
[Unidentified Female:] Everything slides down and it's just this rush of rock and water and mud.
[Petersons:] Torrential rain and deadly mudslides leaving residents missing and campers trapped in two Southern California towns. The rushing water overtaking drivers and leaving cars stranded. This helicopter footage shows the extent of the flooding. Emergency workers forced to break the windows of this car to make sure nobody is trapped inside. The mud flow leaving roads impassable. Five hundred children and adults trapped at a local church camp. Crews using bulldozers and heavy equipment to try to reach the campers as air rescue crews worked to free residents and their beloved pets. This van almost completely submerged in mud on a destroyed campsite.
[Unidentified Male:] I knew it was a flash flood. We were in the middle of it and we only had minutes to decide to turn around.
[Petersons:] Debris litters the street. The powerful water knocking even this hot tub from its foundation. Some roads now covered with six to eight feet of rock as floodwaters continue to rush down hillsides and across roadways making driving extremely difficult and extremely dangerous.
[Michael Scully, Resident:] This is the worst we've had since at least 1969. I don't feel like it is stopping.
[Petersons:] So notice where forest falls is and where the heaviest thunderstorms are. This area is prone to this. Whether the thunderstorms occur even 50, 60 miles away, all the rain comes down these steep canyons and takes campers completely by surprise as heavy water and mud as thick as even five to six feet can rush into the area, seemingly come out of nowhere Kate and Chris.
[Bolduan:] Sure, absolutely seems like it came from nowhere when you see how submerged the van is. It's unbelievable, Indra.
[Cuomo:] There is a sneaky aspect to it also because it looks like water, but has very different density because it's actually mudslide, much more force. People have taken by surprise.
[Bolduan:] It's a lot more dangerous. Let's take a break. Coming up next on NEW DAY, a second American infected with the deadly Ebola virus is heading home now. Her colleague has already been flown to the states and possibly seen a dramatic change in his prognosis. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is at the hospital this morning with the latest developments. Plus, the U.S. and U.N. have given the strongest condemnations yet of Israel's shelling. Israeli's prime minister isn't backing down. What will be done, if anything? We're live from the White House with the latest.

[Unidentified Female:] Arrested on an outstanding murder warrant There is no punch thrown. I have never had such heartbreak. And the man said "I`m coming to F with you.
[Robert Cox, Pastor Charged With Murder:] They attacked and choked me and punched me in the face.
[Unidentified Male:] One of their leaders went from protecting them against an attacker
[Unidentified Female:] He acted in full-on self defense.
[Unidentified Male:] to being accused of murder.
[Velez-mitchell:] Tonight, a widely popular married youth pastor is charged with murder after a bizarre brawl outside a Las Vegas bar. But here`s the strangest twist. The fight happened a year ago, and the man died six months after the fight. The pastor claims, hey, I was acting in self defense. Tonight, his church says he`s a hero, not a murderer. So is this pastor as innocent as he claims? 35-year-old California pastor, Robert Cox, was leading a ministry trip with his wife with about 20 interns last summer when his group stopped for a late-night dinner at a Las Vegas sports bar. Church members say they were in this parking lot when the man who died, 55 year-old Link Ellingson, suddenly approached, threatened and assaulted them. The man who towered at 6`8" was allegedly drunk and screaming, quote, "I`m coming to bleep with you, and do you want to bleep with me." All right. That`s what he supposedly said. Cops say the pastor initially revealed he punched the victim in the face and then changed his story and said "No, I never hit the other guy." The pastor insists he only pushed him to the ground to protect his group. The man hit his head on the concrete, fell into a coma and died six months later. Now the pastor is charged with murder. And he`s shocked he says he`s being railroaded.
[Cox:] I`m an honest man so I was blindsided and totally shocked when someone says they`re going to f-ing kill me and then they attack me and choke me and punch me in the face and then go after my students and give a student a concussion. No, I did not throw a punch.
[Velez-mitchell:] Straight out to KLUC, Las Vegas radio host Chet Buchanan. Chet you`re in Vegas. A lot of people are saying these cops are on a witch hunt, that this comes like right out of the blue six months after the guy is dead.
[Chet Buchanan, Kluc Las Vegas Radio:] This is just so weird. Did he throw a punch? Didn`t he throw a punch? Was the bigger guy, Ellingson, was he the aggressor? Why did it take them so long to file charges? Clark County district attorney, Steve Olson, he`s a smart guy, but apparently there was some sort of letter that was sent to the family back in October, stating the charges wouldn`t be filed. Now there are charges filed. It`s all just a mess.
[Velez-mitchell:] It really is very odd. The pastor`s church group claims the man who died was belligerent and he was drunk. The group says, as we have told you, they were leaving the pub. The man confronts them, threatened he`s going to, quote, "bleeping kill them" and then proceeded to punch five people in the group. Here is a witness.
[Unidentified Female:] Hey, girlfriend, you want to f with me the man that approached us. And Rob immediately was like "Oh, my gosh, no." Backed up. "I have kids here. No." And the man said "Well I`m coming to f with you." He [inaudible] five of us multiple times before Rob could even get his arms around him to push him back. And unfortunately when he was pushing him back they tripped and fell. It does make sense if you hear the facts, if you hear the truth, why would it even go to court?
[Velez-mitchell:] And we are very delighted to have with us the pastor`s attorney, Frank Copper. Frank if I may call you that what`s bizarre about this, is apparently they went the Vegas cops went to California and went into his church and handcuffed him like he was some kind of fugitive?
[Frank Copper, Attorney For Pastor Cox:] Absolutely. It was a very ridiculous decision for them to make, since Pastor Rob had been cooperating with the investigation ever since police first arrived on the scene and thereafter. There was no reason for them to go in and arrest him on a warrant.
[Velez-mitchell:] What do you think is going on here? I mean, it doesn`t add up on its face. He is saying, look, the guy was belligerent, he was drunk, he came after us, he was punching five people. I defended myself. Why do you think cops are doing what they`re doing? Your client is charged with murder?
[Copper:] And that`s really the point. It`s absurd to suggest that Pastor Rob is guilty of murder, premeditated, deliberate murder against this man that he had never met before? That just doesn`t make any sense.
[Velez-mitchell:] Look, Joe Gomez, the only thing I can think of, and you`re a reporter, KRLD, you`ve covered a lot of these things. He himself, the pastor himself, wasn`t hit by this guy. And he felt perhaps that he had a responsibility to protect some of these younger interns. But can you you can`t really claim self defense if you aren`t being attacked, right?
[J. Gomez:] Right. I mean, that`s where this gets kind of tricky. If this guy was attacking some of his students, why was he even at a sports bar if he`s a youth minister with students to begin with? That`s what boggles my mind. But if the guy was attacking his students and he jumped in and hew got in a fray with this larger man, I don`t know if he can necessarily claim self defense in that case. Also, how can somebody just die of head trauma if they just fall on the ground without being hit very hard in the face?
[Claypool:] He can.
[Velez-mitchell:] Brian Claypool.
[Claypool:] Jane? This pastor can assert self defense if he was
[E. Gomez:] That`s right.
[Claypool:] in reasonable fear that the other kids
[E. Gomez:] Exactly.
[Claypool:] that were with him were going to be attacked.
[Crenshaw:] Yes.
[Claypool:] And I`ve got to tell you something.
[E. Gomez:] And in Nevada
[Claypool:] because they`re under his protective care.
[E. Gomez:] In Nevada
[Claypool:] There`s a specific statute in Nevada
[Velez-mitchell:] One at a time. One at a time.
[E. Gomez:] In Nevada, there is no duty to retreat. In Nevada, there is no duty to retreat. Under these circumstances, his attorney is going to have to successfully prove that this was a justifiable and excusable homicide. And many times the prosecutors don`t have enough evidence, they`ll drop the charges.
[Claypool:] Ok. You don`t wait until somebody punches you in the face before you protect yourself.
[Velez-mitchell:] But hold on a second.
[Crenshaw:] Yes, but wait a minute, he could have fell on the ground.
[Velez-mitchell:] He himself was not punched in the face. So if I`m with a bunch of people
[Claypool:] You don`t have to be punched.
[Velez-mitchell:] let`s say I have interns. And I go outside in the street. Let me just ask you. And let`s say I`m in Nevada with my interns and these are younger kids and I feel protective. And some drunk person comes up and starts I have the right to intervene and knock that person to the ground and then say self defense on my part, even though he didn`t attack me?
[Claypool:] Absolutely. If he`s in reasonable fear that he`s going to be harmed or they`re going to be harmed.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right, Dr. Gabe. Dr. Gabe.
[Claypool:] This guy fell and tripped because he was drunk.
[Crenshaw:] Yes.
[Velez-mitchell:] Hold on. Let Dr. Gabe speak.
[J. Gomez:] Do we know he was drunk to begin with? No. We don`t know that he was drunk to begin with.
[Velez-mitchell:] Go ahead.
[Crenshaw:] Going off the argument going off the argument they said he was drunk. If that is the case, this is very biological. Cerebellum is going to be screwed up. Because you`re drinking the balance is off. You get pushed, bam, blunt head trauma, you hit the ground, you can die. Nobody has to hit you in the head, doesn`t have to be a fight. He could have just pushed him off because he theoretically was drunk, cerebellum is off, [inaudible] is off. Inside the hindbrain, the dude is going down. And you know what; I grew up in the church. And I know what it`s like.
[Velez-mitchell:] I`ve got to go back to the attorney hold on a second, I have to go back to the attorney for the pastor, Frank Copper. Now, the published reports say that the police report says at first he said he punched the guy, but later he said he only grabbed him by the waist and knocked him down. His wife says he`s totally innocent. Let`s listen to her and then we`ll hear you.
[Unidentified Female:] He was cleared, and nothing was wrong. He needs a good morale booster. He`s struggling. There was no punch thrown. He`s 100 percent innocent. He acted in full-on self defense.
[Velez-mitchell:] And here`s a picture of the pastor`s neck. His wife says you can see the choke marks. So here`s what I don`t understand, Frank. The pastor broke a finger. If he didn`t punch him, how did he break his finger?
[Copper:] Well, I`m in a position where I can`t quite comment on the facts, due to the fact you`re not supposed to try a case in the media, but
[Velez-mitchell:] Well, then we`re in trouble. Just a little humor there.
[Copper:] I mean the finger easily could have been broken when he fell. And the pastor fell with Mr. Ellingson, the assailant, after the altercation occurred. So his finger could have been caught in his belt buckle or something like that, which could have caused the injury.
[Velez-mitchell:] What about this whole question that Joe Gomez raised? Why is he taking his interns to a bar in Las Vegas, aka, sin city?
[Copper:] This was Las Vegas. Just about anywhere you`re going to want to eat is going to serve alcohol. I can certainly say that neither the pastor nor his wife nor any of the kids that were with him were having any alcohol that day. They were having hamburgers.
[Velez-mitchell:] Why do you think do you think cops are trying to make a name for themselves? Are they legally obligated? Because there is a dead man we don`t want to make light of the situation. There is a man who died and maybe he was intoxicated. So what? I`m 19 years sober there are many times I was intoxicated before I got sober. It doesn`t mean I wanted to die.
[Copper:] Well, I think that sometimes the cops have an attitude that they`re just going to let the courts sort it out. Here, unfortunately, we do have a person who died. That is tragic and it`s very unfortunate. But that`s not enough to say there was a murder or that there was ever any intention to hurt.
[Velez-mitchell:] But now he`s going to go on trial, right? I mean this guy, who is a pastor in California, has got to stay in Las Vegas and go on trial in Las Vegas for murder?
[Copper:] Well, the next step is a preliminary hearing.
[Velez-mitchell:] All right. Well, we`ll stay on top of it. Thank you, Frank Copper, for giving us some details. And we don`t try cases on this show. We just discuss them. Let`s let the criminal justice system take its course. Next: chilling new details about the killer couple who stormed a restaurant and executed two cops who are just sitting there eating some pizza. We`ve got new clues about what motivated their terrifying rampage and some new video that will scare you and just shake you to the core.
[Unidentified Female:] Because I`ve got five deaths on my shoulders. I should have called the cops. Two cops who have got families that are dead. My best friend is dead, all because of the fact that he was the one.

[Holmes:] All right, day two of open enrollment on Obamacare.
[Malveaux:] So many people tried to sign up on day one. Actually, the website couldn't handle it. People repeatedly received error messages. Now, federal officials, they are promising that there's going to be some improvements here. They're working on all this. And our Dr. Sanjay Gupta, well he's in Lexington, Kentucky. He's got more on how this is all being sorted out, the glitches, the health care law's impact on those who are already insured. Watch.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Correspondent:] Suzanne and Michael, glitch did seem to be the operative word yesterday. You heard about that a lot. We were in South Carolina. Hundreds of people coming up to us, asking lots of questions. And we couldn't find an example of one person who had been successfully able to actually sign onto the site. Supposedly things are better today. We're here in Kentucky now, Lexington, Kentucky, and we hear about 2,900 people were able to sign up yesterday. Those numbers may be improving today. An interesting sort of collision here. We heard about 3 million people signed up around or 3 million people tried to sign up around the country, but we couldn't get an exact number of how many people were successful, in part because one of the people at the Department of Health and Human Services who was giving us this information has been furloughed as part of the government shutdown. A little bit of irony there, but it makes it harder to get that information. A lot of people asking me about premiums, how much is this going to cost? That's one of the most common questions. Some of those numbers are going to come out still in the weeks and months ahead. What we're hearing for people who are joining the healthcare exchange, the marketplace for the first time, people who have not had healthcare insurance before and are also getting subsidies, the average cost is about $100 a month or even a little bit less than that. Again, 60 percent of people paying around that much money, but again, those numbers are a little bit of a moving target. Want to keep an eye on them in the weeks and months to come. Another common question, how is this going to affect people who already have insurance? And you've heard many times, Suzanne and Michael, that, if you have insurance don't worry about it, this doesn't affect you. Well, that may not be entirely true. For example, here in Kentucky, UPS has one of their largest distribution facilities. UPS is actually telling spouses of their employees, spouses who can get their healthcare insurance elsewhere, to start doing so because UPS is no longer going to provide that coverage for them. So you're starting to see some impact, especially on big companies in terms of how they insure their employees. Again, a lot of moving parts, this is some of the most this is some of the biggest health reform in this country in nearly 50 years, so not unsuspected to have some twists and tumbles along the way. As we get more information, Suzanne and Michael, we'll bring it to you. Back to you for now.
[Malveaux:] All right, it'll take a little time to sort it all out, but you know, it's just the beginning
[Holmes:] Sanjay is there. It will be OK.
[Malveaux:] OK. And we're looking at live pictures here. This is [inaudible], World War II veterans who are gathering at the memorial site. And you see tourists as well as protesters. We're going to go live to Washington to talk with veterans who are outraged, outraged about the government shutdown.

[Quest:] A US official has told CNN some of its military aid for Egypt is now on hold, which will allow it breathing space. Washington's stop-gap solution has got one word for it: it's known as "reprogramming." It means the US can restore the aid later or cut it altogether. And while no firm decision has been made either way, the EU foreign ministers decide their response in Brussels tomorrow. Israel is deeply interested in US aid going to Egypt and, indeed, has been one of the countries that has been exhorting the US not to take too much drastic action. CNN's Jim Clancy is in Jerusalem.
[Jim Clancy, Cnn International Correspondent:] Most here in Israel see the US military aid as a reward to Egypt's military for holding onto the peace accord with Israel. But they also see it as the only force they perceive as capable of instilling a sense of real security. Egypt's military acted almost immediately upon ousting Mohamed Morsy to do something the Israelis have wanted to see, not just for years, but for decades: the destruction of the system of tunnels leading from the Sinai into Gaza. Hamas is seen as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt had its own reasons for taking action there, among them may have actually been to support Israel as a means of insuring that US aid for its military will continue. Again, the Israeli perspective, it might not be perfect, but Egypt's military can prevent a worst-case scenario, the spiraling of the country down into violence, chaos, even civil war. But pause and take the US perspective. It had counseled the military government in Cairo, seek an inclusive policy that wouldn't drive the Muslim Brotherhood away or underground. The military, given its actions in the last week, rejected that counsel. Yes, a military can serve to maintain security, but it's not as easy as that. A military can also serve to escalate a crisis into a disaster by overreacting and creating the basis for a power struggle within its own citizenry. Case in point: Syria. Rewind two years. Syria's army was ordered to attack peaceful demonstrators demanding multi-party representation, and end to corruption, and greater economic opportunity for everyone. It can be fairly argued that it was Bashar al-Assad's heavy-handed military response that ignited what is not now just a civil war, but a proxy war involving the US, Europe, Turkey, and Gulf Arab states on one side, against Iran, Lebanon's Hezbollah, as well as, to some extent, Russia. Yes, the military can bring stability, but in the case of Egypt, as in anywhere else, that depends on what strategy it pursues. Clearly, the US doesn't think Cairo is pursuing the right strategy, and it's still using its influence to try to steer Egypt's military in a different, more inclusive direction. Washington and the Obama administration may have a checkered record in the Middle East right now, but that doesn't mean they're always wrong. No one can predict what lies ahead for Egypt. In the Middle East, never assume things can't get worse. They can. The message Washington may be sending is pause, reflect, think where you're going, where you're taking the largest nation in the Arab world. Jim Clancy, CNN, Jerusalem.
[Quest:] Now, it was arguably the biggest scandal to shake the Communist Party in China in decades. Within two years, Bo Xilai went from a power broker to a man who may face the death penalty. His trial starts on Thursday, and his son has told "The New York Times" he's helping his father get the opportunity to answer some of his critics and defend himself. Our correspondent in Beijing, David McKenzie, now charts Bo Xilai's downfall.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Chongqing, a mega-city of some 30 million in the southwest, and center of China's biggest political scandal in a generation. Bo Xilai ran this city. The son of a famous revolutionary leader, a princeling tapped to join the untouchable ranks of the party. The Chinese politician that broke the mold.
[Frank Chin, Political Commentator And Columnist:] Bo Xilai was unique. He was not a dull party hack, the way I think 99 percent of party officials are.
[Mckenzie:] Bo organized massive Sing Red rallies, packing stadiums with Communist Party faithful in TV-friendly spectacles, a throwback to the days of Mao that startled both friends and enemies.
[Li Zhuang, Defense Lawyer:] He was good at using media to glamorize himself. He successfully fooled ordinary people. They weren't able to see his real intentions and political ambition.
[Mckenzie:] Bo signaled his ambition by bringing in powerful police chief Wang Lijun. Together, they arrested thousands of alleged criminals in a smash black campaign. Bo Xilai and his police boss had almost unlimited ambition. If you look at this, it was supposed to be the cloud computing center of the Chongqing police force, this enormous cathedral- like. His lofty aims and brutal tactics made him enemies.
[Li:] During his four years ruling Chongqing, he marked his cruelty in history with a number of people he arrested, executed, put in reallocation camps, and thrown into jail.
[Mckenzie:] For Communist Party royalty, Bo's downfall began in an unlikely place: the shabby Lucky Holiday hotel, where Bo's wife, Gu Kailai's, business dealings with a British family friend went horribly wrong. Court documents showed Gu Kailai lured Neil Heywood to this hotel for a late-night meeting. She plied him with expensive whiskey, then when he got ill, she laid him on a bed like this and poured rat poison down his throat. Local authorities tried to cover up Heywood's death, surrounding the hotel and cremating his body. It may have all ended there had Bo's police chief not fled, asking for asylum, then surrendering to the Chinese government and revealing the coverup.
[Chin:] Corruption is so widespread that if they wanted to target somebody, they can almost always find something to use against a person. And I think that Bo had a lot of enemies in Beijing, and when this came up, it was a godsend.
[Mckenzie:] Bo Xilai was stripped of his party membership, his wife, Gu, convicted of murder. From the very heights of power, Bo Xilai could now face the death penalty. David McKenzie, CNN, Chongqing.
[Quest:] Tonight's Currency Conundrum: which country has become the first to officially recognize the bitcoin? Is it A, India? B, Germany? Or C, Panama? The answer later in the program. We've talked much about currencies tonight. Tonight, notwithstanding the emerging markets issues, the dollar is weaker against the pound, the euro, and the yen. Those are the rates this is the break.

[Wolf Blitzer:] Happening now, a SITUATION ROOM special report. Day of mourning remains of Malaysia Flight 17 victims are returned to the Netherlands as the U.S. learns about new information about troop movements in the area where the plane was shot down. Defiant flight the former New York City mayor, Michael Bloomberg, flies into Tel Aviv in a show of support, as the U.S. extends its ban on flights to Israel's main airport. My interview with Michael Bloomberg coming up. Raging war Israel launches fresh air strikes in Gaza, Hamas unleashes new rocket attacks, while diplomats work desperately to try to halt the fighting. Are they on the verge of a cease-fire? I'm Wolf Blitzer in Jerusalem. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. You're in
[The Situation Room. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blitzer:] We're following two major breaking news stories in the world's spotlight right now. The war between Israel and Hamas now in its 16th day and the growing diplomatic pressure to end the fighting that has already claimed more than 700 lives. Also, new developments in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, including victims' remains returned to the Netherlands and new intelligence about what's happening on the ground in Ukraine and in Russia. We have CNN's global resources on both stories. Our correspondents are standing by, so are our guests, for the kind of coverage you won't find anywhere else. Let's begin with our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr. She's working the Flight 17 story for us you've got new information,. Barbara. What are you learning?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Correspondent:] Tens of thousands of Dutch citizens having the sad honor of standing watch for the fallen of Flight 17.
[Starr:] Sounding the call known as the last post, a centuries old military tradition that a fallen soldier's duty is over, now rest in peace. As if they fell on a battle field, the Dutch rendering full military honors, saluting the civilian victims of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Lining the roads, the people of the Netherlands making clear respect will be paid. Even the smallest citizens laying flowers. As the solemn tribute continued, the accusations did not stop. The Ukrainian counterintelligence chief telling CNN's Kyung Lah he has no doubt the rebels knew they were firing at a passenger jet.
[Vitaly Nayda, Ukraine's Director Of Informational Security:] If they possess this kind of military weapons, like Buk-M1 automatic missile launcher, they should know that the plane is not a military plane. It's a big target. They should analyze and they should know that it was a civilian plane.
[Starr:] The United States laying the blame on Russia.
[Marie Harf, State Department Deputy Spokeswoman:] Responsibility lays at the feet of President Putin, not just for this, but for every incident that we have seen throughout this conflict.
[Starr:] Vladimir Putin's intentions on Ukraine's eastern border with Russia are unclear, as U.S. officials question moves by the rebels and their backers in Moscow. U.S. intelligence is looking at whether these two Ukrainian Su-25s, shot down Wednesday, could have been brought down by surface to air missile fire from the Russian side of the border. CNN has learned the latest U.S. intelligence indicates, in fact, some Russian troops have moved right to the border, giving them the ability to attack into Ukraine without entering the country, even as they continue to send tanks and artillery across into rebel-held territory. Intelligence also indicates some rebels have fled from their Ukrainian strongholds and gone back into Russia. Now the U.S. calculates that the missile that hit Flight 17 perhaps flew for less than 10 seconds before it hit the plane. So where are we? If the Russians, indeed, are moving closer to the border, which U.S. intelligence believes they are, that puts their rockets, their artillery, in range of Ukraine territory. And, Wolf, it puts the region even more on a hair trigger Wolf.
[Blitzer:] It certainly does. Barbara Starr at the Pentagon. Thank you. Let's get some more now. Let's go to Eastern Ukraine. CNN's Phil Black is on the scene for us Phil, we just heard about those two Ukrainian military jets shot down. What are you picking up where you are?
[Phil Black, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Wolf, what the leaders of the pro-Russian militants are telling us is that they shot down these two fighter aircraft, a short distance from the crash site of MH17. And they did it using shoulder mounted surface to air missiles. The Ukrainian government has a different view. It says that these aircraft were flying at an altitude beyond the range of any shoulder mounted or mobile system. It says it has preliminary information suggesting that these weapons may have been fired across the border in Russia. So, once again in this conflict, one event, two different versions. But what it shows is that despite all the international outrage, really, toward the separatist forces over the downing of MH17, it has not deterred them or their willingness to take on and really launch surface to air attacks against Ukraine's air power Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Phil, what's the latest from the Malaysia Flight 17 crash site?
[Black:] It's an eerie sight out there, or it certainly was today. It looked effectively abandoned no militants, no investigators, no emergency workers, some journalists and some locals trying to get back to their normal lives, and, really, that's it. So no progress, really, in answering the key questions that still need to be answered. And, crucially, I think, no further searching for more human remains or bodies. International leaders and officials have expressed concern that it is possible that there could still be more passengers' bodies out there that have yet to be found. And it is certainly possible. It is a wide search area. And the search that we've witnessed up until this point has not been particularly thorough Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Phil Black on the scene for us in Eastern Ukraine. Thank you very much. Let's get some more on the situation at the crash site. Joining us is Michael Bociurkiw. He's spokesman for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the OSCE. Thanks so much for joining us. Explain what the OSCE's crash site access today was, if you could describe some pieces of interest you seem to have been able to uncover today for the investigators.
[Michael Bociurkiw, Organization For Security & Cooperation In Europe:] Right. Thank you for having us back, Wolf. Well, I don't want to contradict your correspondent, but there was activity out there today, not from the rebel side, but certainly from our side and, you know, the Malaysian side. We spent the whole day out there today. And we combed more area, I think, than we had ever before. Yes, we did stop for quite some time at two or three pieces of fuselage which, if I can describe it this way, they bore characteristics that were not consistent with everything else we've seen, kind of shrapnel and hoses that were very, very bizarre. So the Malaysians took quite an interest in that. A lot of photographs were taken. We documented it carefully. And then on the other side, Wolf, we we know our hearts go out to the victims and their families. We made an intentional effort today to keep a very keen eye out for any sign of human remains. We did only see, in one spot, some human remains and we noted that and told the rebel kind of escort about it. And then, also, there were reports coming in tonight from journalists who had been out in the field that they perhaps have seen more bodies. So as a monitoring mission, our policy is to follow up those types of reports. And we will be doing that tomorrow with the Malaysian experts.
[Blitzer:] Do you know how many bodies have actually been recovered and how many still remain at that wreckage site, presumably?
[Bociurkiw:] Wolf, we have no way of independently verifying that. When that train left, shortly before it left, we were told by the rebels in the vicinity of about 260 or 270. But at that time, we were very careful to say we have no way to verify that. So all we're going by is what we actually see. We we put the figures of what we actually saw in body bags at a few dozen. But, again, that was a very limited area. Tomorrow, and for as many days as necessary, we will keep our eyes very widely open and travel as much territory as we can to spot that type of remains, because, you know, there is a lot of, Wolf, there's a lot of heavy debris still out there. And we're not quite sure what could be underneath. So we will do our best to to document that and...
[Blitzer:] I'm sure you will. Let's not forget, 298 people were aboard that Malaysian aircraft. You've also said that parts of the plane were actually hacked into, possibly with saws. Explain the state of the wreckage, what you what you and your team actually saw.
[Bociurkiw:] Yes. Sure. That was about two days ago, when we were leaving one of the main impact sites. And, Wolf, this is where the cockpit and the forward section of the first class section actually came down and kind of pancaked very compactly. But as we were leaving that site the other day, there were workers in uniform taking out a power saw and hacking into it quite invasively. And we took note of that. We reported on it. And then also, Wolf, at the other main site, the site where the earth was really scorched by a lot of fuel that came down, that's where the wings came down, there was big parts of the fuselage that were propped up yesterday. And, again, we noted that difference and we reported on it. And it will be for others to draw conclusions. But there were marked differences from when we first came here.
[Blitzer:] Do you think that that chaos, that horrible scene you saw, is actually going to jeopardize the entire investigation?
[Bociurkiw:] Well, you know, at the beginning, there was chaos. And as Phil Black accurately described it, it was there calmness all over today, and even yesterday. It's like everyone picked up and left. There were no tents there anymore that they were using to, you know, manage the whole site. No activity going on except, you know, ourselves. We had about almost 15 people out there today. And we had the Malaysian experts with us. But, no, we feel somewhat on our own right now. And, you know, as I've said many times, there are people far better placed and trained than we are to do this very specialized type of work. And just quickly, Wolf, I will say, within our monitoring mission, over 40 different countries are presented. We do have former military, former law enforcement, human rights experts. So we will do what we can to help this process as much as possible.
[Blitzer:] We've spoken several times with the U.S. ambassador to the OSCE, Daniel Baer, who's really helped us appreciate what's going on. And Michael Bociurkiw, you've helped us, as well. Keep up the good work. Good luck to you and your entire OSCE team. We'll stay in close touch with all of you. Thank you very, very much. Up next, the FAA extends the ban on U.S. airlines flying into Tel Aviv. So why did the former city mayor, Michael Bloomberg, hop on one of the few remaining Flights? I'll ask him. Also, growing talk of a possible cease-fire here between Israel and Hamas. I'll get the latest from a spokesman from Hamas. Also, I'll speak with the spokesman for the prime minister of Israel.

[Baldwin:] Back to our breaking news here on CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. As we await the official intelligence community authentication of this ISIS video, this ISIS video shows a second American, Steven Sotloff, another journalist being beheaded here, let me play you a sound bite as we are not watching this video but we do have some audio from a similar, as we saw in the James Foley beheading video, British accented, black masked terrorist, murderer. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Male:] Because of your insistence and continuing your bombings in Amerli and Mosul dam, despite our serious warnings, you, Obama, have yet again for your actions, we take another American citizen. So just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.
[Baldwin:] Bob Baer, let me bring you in, CNN security analyst, former CIA operative. I mean, there's a lot to get into when we see and hear this. But just off the top, beyond the brutality, what is your read on this?
[Robert Baer, Cnn National Security Analyst:] What ISIS wants to do is portray this as a war of Islam against the West and particularly the United States. ISIS is cutting the heads off of Shia Muslims as well. But it's not putting those atrocities forward because it wants to appear to be an organization for all Muslims and by going to war with the United States, it achieves a major propaganda victory. And you see more and more, even the Taliban in Afghanistan is parts of it are swearing allegiance to ISIS, the Islamic state. And I think that's the real fear of the administration, is this virus is spreading rather than being contained.
[Baldwin:] I mean, you have been part of CIA, covered Middle East for decades. And you know, we have talked ad nauseam, for example, about al Qaeda. And Christiane Amanpour was sitting here with me a little while ago, just sort of comparing ISIS to al Qaeda, saying this is like al Qaeda squared cubed, you know, beyond, right, in terms of these two groups?
[Baer:] I think you're both right. This is something entirely different. You could almost look at al Qaeda as a cult. A few people, they got lucky on 911, a couple more times. But this is much more closer to a Sunni uprising which threatens the whole Islamic world if it really picks up speed and it appears to be picking up speed rather than regressing because I even put at one end the Islamic state, Hamas, which has fought Israel to a standstill. And it's that kind of thinking that's so dangerous and I compare it to a prairie fire. You just don't know when it's going to die out.
[Baldwin:] I mean, just listening, just quickly, to John Kirby, spokesperson at the Pentagon, talking about the airstrikes in Iraq, in Amerli over the weekend and how the Kurds now have the Mosul dam back from ISIS, but you say the Kurds, the Peshmerga, Kurdish military, they're losing?
[Baer:] I think they are losing. I've seen tons of pictures coming in of Kurdish corpses being carried back and yes, they've been set back at the dam but this is a highly mobile military, well-officered and they will give up positions to strike elsewhere but not until, you know, the Iraqi government takes back Mosul and Fallujah and Ramadi where it will really suffer a setback. And then you still have Syria where they have firm control and the Syrian army is not doing well. They just lost an airbase last week.
[Baldwin:] Bob Baer, thank you so much. We know the president let's go to the live pictures at Joint Airbase Andrews. And now the president landing in Marine One and then will head to Air Force One, hop on the plane and head toward Estonia which clearly is symbolic, one of the Baltic states, Estonia neighboring to Russia. Given everything that's happened, the bold moves from Russia in Ukraine. Certainly there is some fear in the Baltic states that what has happened there could happen to them. And then he will head off to that incredibly important NATO summit in Wales on Thursday. Quick break. Back in a moment.

[Banfield:] Ohio school shooter T.J. Lane is now back in custody, believe it or not, after escaping from prison last night. He's now 19 years old, and that young man on your screen is serving three life terms, consecutive life terms, for the 2012 shooting at Chardon High School that killed three classmates. He was captured not far from the prison. He had only been out for about six hours. They searched for that whole six hours. One of the two prisoners said he escaped with is still at large, however. So how was this unremorseful killer able to slip out of prison? You remember that this was the same kid who wore a T-shirt on which he had scribbled "killer." He did that at his sentencing. But you notice how he came in with the button-down and then just took the button-down off, apparently surprising even his own attorney. Joining me to talk about how our country incarcerates juveniles is Judge Alex Ferrer, the former host of "Judge Alex" and Florida circuit judge. First and foremost, before I even get to the juvenile aspect, how on earth does a kid with three life sentences or an adult with three, life, consecutive sentences get to the point where he could actually scale a wall and escape? FERRERIt doesn't really engender a lot of faith in our correctional system, does it? No, not at all.
[Ferrer:] We don't know. Obviously, we don't know yet how he escaped this facility. It's a it's not a maximum-security facility, and the department of corrections typically has a lot of leeway in determining where they are going to house inmates. What I'm not really sure about is why would you put somebody who is serving three consecutive life sentences, which is the highest level you're ever going to get, short of the death penalty
[Banfield:] Short of death row.
[Ferrer:] right into anything other than a maximum-security facility.
[Banfield:] So what's strange here is that, if you look at the Allen Oakwood Correctional institution where he was being housed and now presumably still is being housed, now that he's been caught, they're according to the "Cleveland Plain Dealer," there are five levels of security minimum, medium, close, which apparently he was in, maximum, and administrative maximum. So they've got a capacity to put maximum-security prisoners, but currently, there's only four. There are only four people who qualify, and he, according to the "Plain Dealer," was not one of them.
[Ferrer:] I don't know how he would not qualify for maximum security. When you're typically it's based on the crime you've committing, the sentence you're facing, because obviously if you're in there for life in prison, you have no incentive but try to escape because you're never going to get out of parole. So why he wouldn't be in maximum security administrative maximum is typically for people who have violated the rules inside or otherwise
[Banfield:] So it's punishment for the guys inside prison already?
[Ferrer:] A larger danger. Not typically, it may vary from state to state, but that's typically what it's used for. But maximum security would seem like the appropriate destination for him, not close.
[Banfield:] So let me ask you this. If you saw this in your courtroom, as you were about to hand down sentencing, would that make a difference watching a smiling kid who is now 17 years old he was first charged as a juvenile, but he ultimately was adjudicate as an adult, and he's now an adult.
[Ferrer:] Yes.
[Banfield:] But you see "killer" on a T-shirt and you see a smiling kid who's basically flouting the entire system, does that change what you say and how you hand down sentencing?
[Ferrer:] Absolutely. That may very well be why he got three consecutive instead of three concurrent
[Banfield:] Really?
[Ferrer:] life sentences. Absolutely, because
[Banfield:] It could be a spur-of-the-moment decision from the judge?
[Ferrer:] A judge is looking at him and saying this guy has been convicting of killing those three students, and he shows not only zero remorse, he mocks the system? Why would we want to give him an ability to get out and kill more people?
[Banfield:] He's lethal.
[Ferrer:] Exactly. And you see defendants do this too, all the time, by the way. They come to their sentencing, and it doesn't dawn on them that the judge hasn't handed down sentencing.
[Banfield:] Right.
[Ferrer:] And they misbehave, they act out, or they say stupid things.
[Banfield:] Or they flip the bird.
[Ferrer:] It can totally change.
[Banfield:] Real quickly, is anything going to happen? Clearly he's got to be adjudicated in some way for the escape. Will it make any difference?
[Ferrer:] No. They will charge him with escape. He'll be convicted of escape and it will be additional years on to three life sentences, which is meaningless, which is why guys like him should be in maximum security. They have nothing to lose.
[Banfield:] Perhaps now they will move him into level four.
[Ferrer:] Perhaps.
[Banfield:] Always good to see you, Judge.
[Ferrer:] I won't hold my breath.
[Banfield:] Thank you for coming. Appreciate seeing you. Thank you for that. So, if you go by the numbers, it looks like ISIS is much stronger than we first thought, but those terrorists still have nowhere near as many troops as Iraq does, as the Kurds do. So why is it that they are such a force to be reckoned with? And why is it so hard to beat what effectively is a pretty small army? Those questions in a moment.

[Whitfield:] Woody Allen is telling his side of the story in an ongoing feud with his adopted daughter, Dylan Farrow and former partner, Mia Farrow. In a new op-ed in the "New York Times," Allen said he never molested Dylan and he blamed Mia Farrow for planting the story in Dylan's mind. Alexandra Field is following the story for us. So Alexandra, what more is Wooden Allen saying in this op-ed?
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Fred, throughout his op-ed, he really takes aim at his ex, Mia Farrow, saying that she is the one who coached Dylan these allegations came to light more than 20 year ago. At the time, the couple of 12 years was separating. Now Woody Allen has written this op-ed, it will be published in "The New York Times" tomorrow and he issues a full denial of the allegations, which have again resurfaced. Here's what he writes. He says quote, "I did not molest Dylan. I loved her and hope one day she will grasp how she has been cheated out of having a loving father and exploited by a mother more interested in her own festering anger than her daughter's well-being." Now, that op-ed was released yesterday. It will be published tomorrow, but Dylan Farrow has already come up with her own response. Here's what she had to say about Woody Allen's defense. This is a quote now. She says, "Once again, Woody Allen is attacking me and my family in an effort to discredit and silence me, but nothing he says or writes can change the truth. For 20 years, I have never wavered in describing what he did to me. I will carry the memories of surviving these experiences for the rest of my life." Now, Dylan has been holding to this story for more than 20 years since she was a girl of 7 years old. That was her response this morning. As for Woody Allen, he is now saying that the op-ed is his only comment. He won't be discussing the matter any further Fred.
[Whitfield:] And then, what does Woody Allen say about his son, Ronan Farrow because not only has Ronan been outspoken about his thoughts alleged molestation, but there have been a lot of discussions about who his real dad, his biological dad is.
[Field:] This family feud, which has been going on, certainly playing out publicly and Woody Allen does touch on the question of Ronan Farrow's paternity in that op-ed. Here is what he says. He basically acknowledges that Ronan looks a bit like Frank Sinatra specifically pointing to the blue eyes and his facial features. And then he basically goes on to say that if Ronan is in fact the son of Frank Sinatra, then it is a sign that Mia Farrow was deceitful and lied as far as representing Ronan as Woody Allen's son during their custody hearing. So he does sort of leave the door open, but acknowledges these rumors, which have been circulating.
[Whitfield:] All right, Alexandra Field, thanks so much in New York. All right, also in New York, free at last. Two men convicted on murder as teenagers spent more than two decades in a New York maximum security prison until new DNA evidence proved they couldn't have killed Antonio's Yarboro's mother, sister and cousin. One, just 15 years old at the time, told Piers Morgan police coerced a confession out of him.
[Sharrif Wilson, Exonerated After 21 Years:] Many years, I felt horrible that I had to do that and that I actually did it knowing that we wasn't guilty for a crime we didn't commit. But I just felt horrible and I felt horrible then and I still feel horrible now that we had to go through this whole process just to get justice.
[Whitfield:] And after all this time, who wouldn't understand their reaction?
[Antonio Yarbough, Dna Evidence Overturned Conviction:] I haven't slept yet. I've been up for over two days now. I have no words right now. I'm just extremely happy.
[Whitfield:] So, the D.A. says because of the new evidence, their 1992 convictions would not stand up in court again. All right, the 2014 Winter Olympic Games, sure to have a nickname, Putin's games. So, what's at stake for the Russian leader in these games? All of that, next.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] still in all likelihood inside the body of that ship. CNN's Paula Hancocks is live in Jindo, South Korea. Paula?
[Paula Hancocks, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Chris, we have very new information into us just the past couple of minutes. CNN has spoken to the spokesperson of the joint taskforce in charge of this search operation. And he has said this is still a search and rescue operation. They are still working on the assumption they may find survivors. He said that they haven't found any air pockets within the ship but there's still a possibility there may be air pockets because the ferry has not sunk completely. He said at this point it's about 30 to 50 feet below the surface, and saying it's maintaining its floating level at this point. This will obviously give hope those desperate families wanting to know whether or not their loved ones are alive or dead. But this is the sixth night we're going into since that disaster happened, so clearly hope is fading. But as far as the operation is concerned, it is still very much a search and rescue operation. The captains as you say, now has five charges against him including negligence. So does the third mate at the helm at the time of the accident. The driver wasn't even at the steering wheel. The captain was actually in his own personal room. So we are hearing they've been demonized by the president of this country Park Geun-hye, earlier on today, saying that what they have done is akin to murder. Kate, back to you.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Paula Hancocks, thank you very much. We'll be checking in with you throughout the show. Also happening right now, a joint U.S.-Yemeni operation targeting Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is currently under way in Yemen. The strikes are being called massive and unprecedented and involve both Yemeni commandos on the ground and, they suspect, drone strikes from the air. Joining us now to discuss, CNN chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto and CNN national security analyst and former Bush administration homeland security adviser Fran Townsend. Good morning to you both. Jim, first you, this comes after we've seen the images that sparking a massive gathering of AQAP. Is anyone connecting these two things quite yet, the video we saw was startling to everyone and then this massive, unprecedented strike?
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Chief National Security Correspondent:] No official is making a connection. It was a demonstration of Al Qaeda presence in Yemen, and it shows the immediacy of the threat. But it's an ongoing threat and they've known about it for some time. And as Fran and I have discussed, the U.S. is not going to allocate resources, the Yemenis are not going to allocate resources unless they include intelligence that's going to direct them to do something there. That said, this was an embarrassment to see such a large gathering at that time, really kind of a challenge to show their strength there and really a reminder that this is a real threat.
[Bolduan:] Is it fair to say these two things are connected, Fran?
[Frances Townsend, Cnn National Security Analyst:] Not necessarily. They wouldn't have taken the shot because there had been this video release. And to Jim's point, what would have been required to launch this sort of an operation, drones, manpower, all of that, would have been very specific intelligence of real high-value targets to justify the investment of resources.
[Bolduan:] Who could some of these high-value targets be that they would be going after?
[Townsend:] The number one person that everyone wants to know is al Asiri. Al Asiri is responsible for the underwear bomb and the computer cartridge found. He has been, frankly, the greatest threat to U.S. national interest and national security. So the big question is, he's certainly the target of an operation like this. Have they got him? Will they get him? And no Yemeni officials are saying.
[Sciutto:] You talk to intelligence officials about what is Al Qaeda today? It's very different than it was at 911. It's a more diverse threat, a franchised kind of threat, in effect. It's not just core Al Qaeda as we know in Pakistan formerly led by bin Laden. But you have these related groups, like Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula which is based in Yemen, other groups in north Africa, et cetera, more diffuse, maybe less ambitious, maybe less able to carry out large-scale attacks, but setting its sight on smaller attacks. And because it's more diverse and more dispersed, harder to keep track of, and it requires these kinds of operations in places like Yemen, drone strikes, et cetera.
[Bolduan:] When you describe it that way, which is obviously the right way to describing it, some watching might say it doesn't seem as much of a threat. But AQAP has been a growing threat, a big problem for the administration, for the United States. How big of a threat is it if they're not maybe going after the large-scale attacks but they're still a huge threat?
[Townsend:] Well, when John Brennan was in the White House job and even the CIA director, Jim Clapper as the director of national intelligence referred to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the group that's being targeted here in Yemen, as the single greatest, most capable threat against the U.S. and U.S. interests around the world. And I think that's right. Al Asiri, this bomb-maker is one of the reasons. Second is because they're able to project their power outside of Yemen where these operations are going on in the south, right near the port of Aden, you know, you don't realize, it's a real hub. You've got extremists from Africa, off the coast of Africa and Somalia. You've got them collecting from the Arabian Peninsula there. So there really is infrastructure in Yemen which is part of what they're trying to target here.
[Sciutto:] And they're always refining their tactics. You remember just a couple months ago we had a new threat alert that they had somehow refined shoe bombs to get past the detection we have at the airports. That's tied right back to al Asiri. And these are threats directed directly at the U.S. They want to get a shoe bomb on an American airplane. It's something they attempted before and nearly had success with the underwear bomber around Christmas four or five years ago. So this is a direct threat and this is why the U.S. is really on top of this.
[Bolduan:] And at the same time the operation is still ongoing, the use of drone strikes is controversial because of the concern and the real possibility of collateral damage. You said earlier in the show there were three already civilians killed during the ongoing operation. What does this potentially do to U.S.Yemeni relations? We know it has had a bad impact on relations with Pakistan.
[Townsend:] Well, one, you've got to realize that President Hadi of Yemen, it shows real courage on his part. It also tells you, the fact that this is an ongoing effort with such massive resources behind it tells you that the target is a very high-value target. You don't commit the Yemeni army, you don't commit the drones without the target being very real. It's worth saying there's a whole targeting process that three casualties in this sort of drone strike are actually quite unusual. You don't see often that level of collateral damage. Why? Because these are precision weapons. They're supported by very specific intelligence. And so, this it's tragic. You have one civilian casualty, it's tragic. But they've really refined the process to reduce those civilian casualties, because when we had those, there's a real strain in bilateral relations and it puts real pressure on the government, in this case in Yemen.
[Sciutto:] It is interesting, just to your point about how serious they must be about these targets. Typically when we see drone strikes it's a one-off. You hear about it later. You get a report of one vehicle hit. This is over a couple of days that we've been reporting over the weekend, and now this massive ground operation by Yemeni forces. So to your point, clearly there's something big here they're going after.
[Bolduan:] We're going to be watching it. Fran, Jim, thank you so much. Chris?
[Cuomo:] All right, Kate, if flight 370, the search for it is nearing an end, at least in terms of combing the area they set out to map. Why am I saying that? Because right now Bluefin 21 is on its ninth trip below the ocean surface and it's running out of places to look. Officials say more than two-thirds of the underwater search area has now been covered, still no sign of the missing jetliner. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is in Perth, Australia, with more. Erin?
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Chris. Well, with the majority of this narrow search area now ruled out, all eyes on Bluefin 21 as people waiting, watching, hoping, even praying MH-370 is found.
[Mclaughlin:] The search for flight 370 is at a critical juncture, investigators say now only days away from completing the targeted search area with no sign of debris.
[Unidentified Male:] I appeal to everybody around the world to pray and pray hard that we find something to work on over the next couple of days.
[Mclaughlin:] The Bluefin 21 back in the water this morning. The search area six miles in radius represents the best guess as to where the plane may be. If nothing is found, that search area is set to widen dramatically.
[Unidentified Male:] Whatever the outcome of the next few days, we need to regroup and reconsider the operations. It doesn't mean that we are going to stop the operations.
[Mclaughlin:] Over the weekend, investigators also amending crucial information about how they now believe the plane flew. Investigators say once flight 370 made its initial left turn, deviating from the planned routes, the aircraft climbed to 39,000 feet for about 20 minutes over Malaysia. Dipping in altitude over the Indian Ocean, Malaysian officials believe the plane flew for about another six hours before crashing. Searchers say that Bluefin will have scanned the entire narrowed area by week's end. That's if it performs as expected and if the weather holds, which is a big if given that there a cyclone named Jack currently to the north of the search operation. Michaela?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] We know how weather can affect those search efforts. Erin McLaughlin, thank you so much for that. Let's take a look at your other headlines right now. Vice President Joe Biden is landing in Ukraine this morning. He's going to hold meetings with members of the Kiev's interim government. The conflict turned deadly again Sunday. Six people were killed in a shoot-out. Pro-Russian groups say it started when one of those road blocks in the east came under attack. The entire climbing season on Mount Everest could be canceled after last week's deadly avalanche. That's because the native Sherpas who guide climbers up the world's tallest mountain are threatening to go on strike. At least 13 Sherpa guides died as they prepared to get the route ready for summit. The Sherpa community is upset with Nepal's plans to compensate the families barely equivalent to $400. And a new study published this morning shows that many doctors are still prescribing codeine for children despite safety concerns. Researchers broke down nine years of pediatric ER visits and found just a small bit of codeine prescriptions for colds, coughs, and pain. The study's lead author says the drug can have fatal side effects for some children, but for many others it has no effect at all.
[Cuomo:] So as we all know today a 26.2-mile stretch of Boston and the vicinity might just be the safest place on earth. Why? Security extremely tight for the 118th running of the Boston Marathon, the first, of course, since last year's bombings. Our John Berman live this morning at the starting in Hopkinton, Massachusetts. You were there for the worst and now what you're hoping will be the best. How is it up there, J.B.?
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] It is the best, spirits incredibly high here, Chris. I've seen nothing but smiles on everyone's face. I was talking to the race operations director a short time ago. You could see it is bursting with anticipation for this race to get going, and it will get going in about three hours. Many starting ways, why? Because 36,000 runners will be in this year's race. That's up 9,000 from last year. And they'll be running amidst incredibly tight security, as you said, unprecedented in many places. Officials calling this the safest place on earth today. In just the last few minutes I saw state police behind me. I've seen National Guard. I saw helicopters flying overhead. And this is in addition to what we are not seeing. What we're not meant to see, 100 cameras, more than they've ever before, lining the route monitoring almost all of this race course. You can't monitor every inch of a 26.2-mile race, but they have sights and eyes on all the key locations. They are confident this will go off very well. They're asking runners, no backpacks on the race course itself. No camel backs, that water you carry on your back, that will not be allowed this year. Racers will not be allowed to wear costumes or masks. Every once in a while you see that in a marathon. Not here. Not today. They just don't want to take it risk. And as for the fans, they've been told, if you can, leave the big backpacks and leave the strollers at home. You'll make the official security personnel, their jobs much, much easier if you do your part and you chip in. And everyone here does want to chip in. They're expecting nearly a million people or more to line this race. That would be the biggest crowd ever here. I've talked to a lot of people, friends, family, survivors, they all want to be part of this race today. This is a very important day to turn the page, as one runner told me, to change from tears of pain to tears of joy. Chris, Kate?
[Bolduan:] Absolutely. It's going to be such an amazing day, and emotional day for so many there. We're going to watch it with you, John. Thank you so much. It's great to see all the life and happiness going on behind him.
[Cuomo:] I think it's very instructive that they're not expecting the most runners ever, but they are expecting the most spectators ever. And that shows confidence in the community surrounding. I went up there and I have some surprises for the guys a little later on in the show, what I brought them back from the land of Boston strong.
[Bolduan:] Presents or what?
[Cuomo:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Coming up next on NEW DAY, the search for flight 370, the underwater vehicle, the Bluefin 21 has already covered more than two- thirds of the intended search area, the focus. And right now, it faces yet another obstacle. We'll have more on that ahead.
[Cuomo:] And then on "INSIDE POLITICS," intrigue, why are some Democrats pushing 81-year-old Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to step down? Who do the Dems want to replace her?

[Unidentified Female:] Are you serious?
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[Unidentified Female:] You're breaking stuff in my house.
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[Unidentified Male:] I'm doing this again? You just broke my glass table. You just broke my sunglasses, and you put your gun in my freaking face.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] More from that 911 call. There is also a 911 call from Zimmerman. Tonight, deadly tornadoes, as well in the United States. The relief effort in the Philippines. And a new warning about the heart drug, statins, that millions of Americans take. We begin, though, with Rob Ford, who sat down for a remarkable interview with CNN's Bill Weir. Mayor Ford is already North America's poster child for bad behavior in politics. He acted out again on the floor of Toronto City Council. A short time later, the council took action stripping most of his powers, handing control over to city's deputy mayor. That is the breaking news. And here's the outburst which happened while his brother, Doug, a city councilor, was in a middle of an argument with other members. He later apologized for knocking the woman over. There was that today. There was the "Saturday Night Live" routine over the weekend, the cocaine and vodka at St. Patrick's Day bender allegations last week, the sexual harassment claims and the news conference P bombs, and of course the "I was too drunk to remember smoking crack" moment. Call it the full four.
[Mayor Rob Ford, Toronto:] I did not use crack cocaine, nor am I an addict of crack cocaine. Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. But no do I? Am I an addict? No. Have I tried it? Probably in one of my drunken stupors.
[Unidentified Male:] Have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?
[R. Ford:] Yes, I have. I'm not perp. Maybe you are, but I'm not, OK? None of you guys have ever, ever had a drink and gotten behind the wheel, I know that. Have I drunk? Have I done drugs? Yes, I have. I'll do a drug test and alcohol test right now. Olivia Gondek says that I wanted to eat
[Cooper:] And given all that you might wonder why is he still in office? You might also ask why anyone still supports him, the fact that some still do, though many are embarrassed he represents a great city like Toronto. CNN's Bill Weir spent time with the mayor and his brother Doug this weekend.
[Bill Weir, Cnn Correspondent:] Wow, from the outside, it seems like you are a man under tremendous burdens this week. Well, how has it been? How has this week been for you?
[R. Ford:] It is all self-inflicted. You know? It's my fault. It's I made mistakes and you own up to it. You move on.
[Weir:] And so in his very next breath, Rob Ford moves on.
[R. Ford:] I went down to city hall, I cleaned it up. These people just aren't happy, these councilors want me out. The media wants me out. I told the chief of police I want
[Weir:] The setting for this interview is more than a little surreal. This is the rec room of a suburban Toronto housing project and it is filled with loyal and vocal members of "Ford Nation." [On Camera] These folks love you, but do you realize how you're perceived around the rest of the country? Around the rest of the continent? Have you seen the late-night comics at all?
[R. Ford:] That's right, they can make fun of me. The people here. You know, they can laugh at me all they want. They don't they don't know Rob Ford.
[Weir:] Things start relatively sedate, but when I ask why he decided to admit his crack use after months of denial, he gets so angry he forgets who's in the room.
[R. Ford:] I just had enough. I was just sick and tired of all these allegations and all this
[Weir:] But can't you see why some would question your judgment?
[R. Ford:] So what? So lie about it? Just hide?
[Weir:] No, no
[R. Ford:] I'll say
[Weir:] You said you didn't do it in the first place. That shows
[R. Ford:] No, no, I didn't say that. No, I didn't say that. You're wrong. You're absolutely wrong what they said. They said, do you smoke crack and are you a crack addict? No, I don't smoke crack and I'm not a crack addict, have I? Yes, I have. So that's what I didn't lie, I don't I don't smoke crack. I haven't smoked crack in over a year. But did I? Come on.
[Weir:] But that is semantics, Mayor.
[R. Ford:] Talk semantics.
[Weir:] Come on. Totally semantics.
[R. Ford:] It's typical media. You guys are the same. You're all cut from the same cloth.
[Weir:] But if we're hoping for any moment of contrition here, we're out of luck.
[R. Ford:] I'm not a thief. I'm not I'm the most honest guy ever
[Weir:] How do we find ourselves in the middle of a Rob Ford rant in the middle of the projects? Interesting story, it actually started right here on AC 360 Friday night. [On Camera] Explain to us why anyone in their right mind would vote for your brother [Voice-over] After some give and take with the mayor's council brother, Doug, we're about say goodbye when he floated an offer.
[Doug Ford, Mayor Rob Ford's Brother:] And we look forward to having you by Toronto one day.
[Weir:] I'll take you up on that. [Voice-over] And 18 hours later I found myself unloading toys from Doug Ford's SUV, outside the Queen's Plate Housing Projects in the heart of their war. Now coming from America, it is a little disconcerting to see wealthy, fiscal conservatives treated like heroes in a project filled with people living on government assistance, after all, they rose to power by vowing to end the gravy train. The word conservative has a different definition up here.
[D. Ford:] Everyone keeps saying Rob is a conservative. He is a huge, massive social liberal. He loves Obama.
[Weir:] Now a week before I visited the "Ford Nation" neighborhood where this photograph was taken. Here I met a community organizer, who tries to use his humble computer lab to keep these kids out of trouble. He described his disgust for Mayor Ford.
[Unidentified Male:] I never see bad help or good help, I never see it at all.
[Weir:] But out here at Queen's Plate with Doug at my side, different story. People line up to voice their devotion to the brothers, and there are real moments of emotion. But as we wait for the mayor, Doug's unscripted style of public relation takes a turn when a long- time resident named Ken wanders over to complain about a threatened eviction and a run-in with the cops, and as the councilor politely tries to nudge him to the door, he says this.
[Unidentified Male:] I know a lot of friends that bought hash from you actually. Yes. OK. Well, that's good. That's good. That's good.
[Weir:] Awkward, because he has been fighting those allegations since May when the "Toronto Globe and Mail" dug into the Ford family's checkered past, and reported that Doug spent much of the '80s as mid- level hashish dealer. [On Camera] That's not the first time I've heard the allegations of your youth, you slung a little hash.
[D. Ford:] No, I wasn't slinging any hash. I said it very clearly 30 years ago, 31 years ago. I smoked marijuana and I didn't deal marijuana. If you want to go calling, you know, going to your buddy, and says there is a joint for 10 bucks, if that's what you want to call it?
[Weir:] Much of Doug's damage control strategy has been to paint their critics and foes as hypocrites. Even on the floor of council.
[D. Ford:] Have you ever smoked marijuana?
[Weir:] I'm curious about it. When I saw you make that comparison.
[D. Ford:] Yes.
[Weir:] Marijuana. I wonder, are you a libertarian? Do you think street drugs should be legal?
[D. Ford:] Medical marijuana should be. I definitely think if someone's dying
[Weir:] Not recreational?
[D. Ford:] No. I don't think so.
[Weir:] Why not?
[D. Ford:] I don't know. I just don't think any reason. I don't think all is good. We'll put it this way. If you're going to compare alcohol to someone smoking a joint, if someone is going to drink and get hammered, or some guy smokes a joint, and you're going out with them, you're in my opinion, I'm going out with the guy who's nice and calm.
[Weir:] Same argument can be made comparing marijuana and crack.
[D. Ford:] Yes. That's nasty stuff. Absolutely nasty.
[Weir:] So asking your fellow councilors how many of you smoked marijuana? Kind of a leap in there to smoking crack.
[D. Ford:] No. But I asked them cocaine, too.
[Weir:] Yes.
[D. Ford:] They were silent, they were silent. And I thought OK, you asshole, you were sitting there criticizing Rob, meanwhile, I've had three phone calls that you almost got fired because you were wired on cocaine back in the '80s.
[Weir:] Back inside, Rose, who sums up a sentiment of many here.
[Unidentified Female:] He is very smart. He's a very smart man, and a man who's in charge of what they said, don't talk like that. I think maybe he drank. But crack, I don't know.
[Weir:] Yes.
[Unidentified Female:] People can set him up, too. You know that.
[Weir:] Oh, you think he might have been set up?
[Unidentified Female:] Yes.
[Weir:] Well, he admitted to smoking crack.
[Unidentified Female:] Well, maybe he just got fed up with everything.
[Weir:] Yes. But what kind of message does that send to the kids who live around here?
[Unidentified Female:] You make just a little mistake, you can get forgiveness.
[Weir:] An hour passes, we're afraid he may not show but then comes an excited commotion. Here's here, there are hugs and photographs and the most controversial politician on the continent is back among the people who love him. But his smile will disappear when the questions come. And things will get tense.
[R. Ford:] Talk semantics. To you it's typical media.
[Cooper:] Bill Weir joins me now. And I kind of stunned that he told you that basically, he never denied smoking crack, the reporters just didn't ask him the right questions and the right wording.
[Weir:] Yes, it is interesting, because he misheard my question. I asked I said this indicates a lack of judgment, you know the fact that you did it in the first place. But he went to that talking point which he's been hammering for a while, which is, I never denied I didn't do it, you just didn't ask me the right question. And whether it was past tense or present tense or what
[Cooper:] Just ridiculous.
[Weir:] It's completely ridiculous. And I think a lot of specialists would say that's a symptom of denial. A pure sign of denial. But, you know, we had a little technical difficulty there with the piece. We wanted to show you the number of times people had asked him specifically, have you done drugs, have you done illegal drugs while in office, and he never went anywhere near that question.
[Cooper:] Well, just fascinating stuff. There's more of the interview ahead. The breaking news, of course, Toronto City Council, making Mayor Ford essentially a figurehead. And part two of Bill's interview is ahead. How the mayor plans to mobilize the so-called "Ford Nation," his supporters, to regain power and the power some would say of denial.
[R. Ford:] I'm not an addict. Why go see an addict when I'm not an addict? I'm not an alcoholic, I'm not a drug addict.
[Cooper:] Let us know what you think. He's denying that he's a drug addict. Follow me on Twitter @Andersoncooper. Tweet using hash tag ac360. Later, other breaking news story, George Zimmerman back in jail after an alleged armed confrontation with his girlfriend. And now both 911 calls, his and hers. Listen to each so you can decide for yourself who to believe.

[Unidentified Male:] An individual has been diagnosed with Ebola in the United States.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Ebola is here. A man in Texas diagnosed with the deadly virus after travelling from Liberia. Health officials are confident they'll stop it, but how long was he undiagnosed? Should we be worried?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking details, another black eye for the Secret Service, this time a security guard in an elevator with President Obama. He was armed with a gun, violating protocol. The revelation coming just hours after the agency's director was grilled by Congress. Will she survive this firestorm?
[Cuomo:] War on ISIS. The biggest day of U.S.-led coalition air strikes in Syria and Iraq since the campaign began. So, why are terrorists actually gaining ground, getting dangerously close to main cities? Your NEW DAY starts right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Cuomo:] Good morning, welcome to NEW DAY. Its Wednesday, October 1st, 6:00 in the East. Ebola no longer just about West Africa. Its about Texas. The first diagnosis on American soil. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the patient travelled from Liberia to Dallas last month. Don't write it off because of that. He was here for days before showing symptoms. Now the race is on to find everyone he came in contact with after showing symptoms.
[Pereira:] A CDC team is now in Texas to help try to locate anybody, anybody that may be impacted. The ambulance crew, they've been isolated. How concerned should we be about an outbreak in America? We begin our coverage with chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta live from the CDC in Atlanta. How concerned should we be?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] Well, I think there is obviously some level of concern here. This is a historic moment medically, what has happened has never happened before in the United States, frankly has never happened anywhere outside of Africa. The first patient being diagnosed here. Obviously other patients have been here with Ebola, but they have been diagnosed elsewhere and then came here for treatment. There's also this idea that there's two sort of big objectives now, this is going to be a test of our public health system. How well are they going to be able to take care of this patient, who we hear is in critical condition, but in isolation in Dallas? And also what about all those people over the four days after this person was sick? The contacts? That's the most important thing. They've got to find those contacts because that is how you stop an outbreak.
[Gupta:] This morning, the door-to-door investigation begins. Health officials, including a crew from the Centers for Disease Control, now in Dallas, in search of anyone who may have come in contact with the first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the United States.
[Unidentified Male:] The patient admitted to this hospital has tested positive for Ebola virus. The cause of Ebola virus disease.
[Gupta:] According to the CDC, the unidentified patient travelled from Liberia on September 19th, landing in the United States the following day, September 20th. Doctors say he did not feel sick until the 24th.
[Unidentified Male:] The patient was visiting family members and staying with family members who live in this country.
[Gupta:] Ebola is a virus that can affect multiple organ systems and can sometimes cause internal bleeding, those symptoms don't appear for two to 21 days after infection, signs do include sudden fever, weakness, muscle pain, headaches and a sore throat. The disease is also spread by direct contact via bodily fluids, only after symptoms begin.
[Unidentified Male:] This is not transmitted by the air. There's no risk to a person in this hospital who is walking or is a patient. There's simply no reason to be fearful of that.
[Gupta:] Paramedics who transported the patient now quarantined. The ambulance used, decontaminated. It's cordoned off. There's some concern because Ambulance 37 was used for two days after transporting the patient. Though health officials saying it's OK. The city spokeswoman telling CNN the Dallas County Health Department has confirmed that paramedics did follow proper guidelines to avoid contaminating additional patients. So far, none of the crew members are exhibiting signs of the disease, this as the CDC says fellow passengers on that same flight from Liberia are likely not at risk. Still, doctors warn to remain vigilant.
[Unidentified Male:] I have no doubt that we'll stop this in its tracks in the U.S. But I also have no doubt that as long as the outbreak continues in Africa, we need to be on our guard.
[Gupta:] So let me just accentuate again, on the 20th this person arrived in the United States without any symptoms, was not feeling sick. In 24th, is when they started to get sick, but it wasn't until the 28th when the person went into the hospital and was put in isolation. The person did go to the hospital once in between, Chris. Two days earlier went to the hospital, seeking care. But for some reason, was not tested at that point, despite the fact the person had symptoms and had this recent travel history to Liberia and there was this concern. That's going to be an open question still, Chris, we got to get answered, four days where this person was sick before they went into the hospital Chris.
[Cuomo:] Certainly, that this is the best reason so far for concern on the part of American citizens. Thank you very much, Doc. It's good to have you there for us. Let us know if anything changes. Let's bring in another doctor now, Alexander Van Tulleken, he is a senior fellow at Fordham University, an expert in public health. Doc, it's good to have you here. I am a representative of America's panic, OK? When we hear days went by before this man was put into quarantine and being treated, we want him to be OK. But there's fear about the rest of us, is this worthy of great concern?
[Dr. Alexander Van Tulleken, Senior Fellow, Fordham University:] So there are people in the Dallas region who have been exposed to Ebola and it may well be that transmission has occurred on American soil, there's no question about that. The reason not to panic if you're new in New York City is very different if you're in the Dallas region, Dallas region, they'll be tracking down every single person he's been in touch with, getting in touch with them, monitoring and supervising them. Big job to do this, but we're doing this in America so we do not have to worry about an epidemic.
[Cuomo:] Two head-shakers, when I say don't worry. One, part of it is coming from the government. Not the greatest source of comfort these days. Two head shakes, one, we're going to find everybody he was in contact with. That's not going to be easy. It's not going to be easy. And well, how do you get it? Because we kept hearing it was body fluids. Now it could be a cough. Where's the confidence coming from that you can find everyone he was in contact with and what it takes to transmit?
[Tulleken:] So I think the fear, so the line from the government, the line from all the expert doctors, this is quite a difficult virus to catch. And the arguments I have on Twitter with people especially late at night is the doctors are getting it are wearing their hazmat suits. First of all, the hazmat, no one wearing a hazmat suit has caught Ebola. The people who have caught Ebola working with it in the field have been wearing personal protective gears. They have been wearing gloves and masks, but they are working 20-hour shifts in West Africa and they are drenched in bodily fluids.
[Cuomo:] If you cough on me and you have Ebola, do I get it?
[Tulleken:] That is not a significant mode of transmission. Neither is hand-shaking, neither is touching something and then you touching it. The main mode of transmission is exposure to bodily fluids, like blood or diarrhea, OK, and getting that on a cut, on open wounds or getting it in your mouth or eyes.
[Cuomo:] Then why all of this panic to find the people he was in contact with unless he was bleeding or something else on him?
[Tulleken:] Because this is American. This is how you stop a virus. So if you don't panic, you know, you shouldn't panic, if you don't go to massive lengths to stop it, you end up with what's happening in Liberia. So this is what the CDC is good at. You're right. Maybe they weren't be able to track down every single person, but this is America, most people have a TV, most people listen to the radio. Everyone can read, everyone knows this is going on. In the Dallas region now, everyone is looking out for those announcements. So actually it's not you may not be able to phone or email them directly, but you can get make everyone aware that if they develop symptoms, they can seek treatment early. That improves their survival and it massively reduces the chances of spread.
[Cuomo:] Still though when I hear about how it's transmitted versus the concern about finding people he was in contact with, even though he wasn't exhibiting symptoms, it gives me a source of confusion which is going to fuel my concern. If you need to be exposed to bodily fluids and there doesn't seem to be any indication he was, why are you people so nervous about it on the government and treatment side that fuels my insecurity. Also, where was he when he went to the hospital and not diagnosed with that? Was it here or was that in Africa?
[Tulleken:] No. That was here. He's had at least four days of being contagious and symptomatic here.
[Cuomo:] So why didn't the hospital, when we keep hearing that the U.S. is so ready for this and we can control, how did he miss it when this guy came into the hospital in Dallas, which is a real medical center?
[Tulleken:] I just at the moment, we don't know, we don't know very much about the patient and we don't know exactly his reasons for being here and we don't know what he was doing at that time or why the hospital didn't admit him. And I think what we'll find is they probably dropped the ball on this, which is bad. To say that all the tracking down of people, there's a big difference between panicking and employing precautionary principles. If I had been on that plane with him and I had no doubt he was not contagious on the plane, I would really want to know and you'd want to know as well. I want someone looking out for me. I want to be informed that I wasn't at risk. So you need to reach out to all the people on all of those planes and say you're not at risk, but we're here for you if you develop anything concerning at all.
[Cuomo:] He wasn't bleeding and he wasn't nauseated on that ambulance, but they hosed it down with bleach basically and they put it behind walls.
[Tulleken:] They have to do this. The guy who discovered Ebola said he would confidently sit next to someone on the subway with Ebola, it's that hard to catch.
[Cuomo:] The concern is real. Thank you for helping leaven that with what we know about the realities of the virus. The only other thing I can add is Twitter, at night, that's a virus that cannot be treated in any way, Doc. You're a smart guy. You got to be a smart and stay off Twitter. Thank you for being here and helping balance out the concern because it's real this morning. Thank you. Mich, over to you.
[Pereira:] You're going to take your own advice, fella?
[Cuomo:] No, I'm a horrible patient.
[Pereira:] Let's turn it to the ongoing drama with the Secret Service. It would appear the hits keep on coming. Director Julia Pierson skewered yesterday by lawmakers over a series of embarrassing security breaches and gaffes. She told a furious House committee that incidents like the one at the White House where a disturbed Iraq war vet made it deep into the executive mansion will, quote, "never happen again." Yet, just hours after Pierson finished her testimony, a new and quite disturbing security lapse surfaced. A contractor with a gun just steps from the president. Let's turn to our White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski. Interesting that this is not something Director Pierson disclose during that testimony. We're not sure if she was aware of it to be fair though.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Exactly, Michaela. This bothers Congress too and now that's why they're launching this outside review from top to bottom of what's been going on inside the Secret Service. So clearly their own internal review and this lengthy testimony from its director wasn't enough. It was remarkable, as she was there, testifying before the House Oversight Committee, more details kept coming out from whistle- blowers, details she never mentioned.
[Kosinski:] The latest known incident to plague the U.S. Secret Service, again coming from whistle-blowers, happened three days before Omar Gonzales jumped the White House fence. This one in Atlanta at the CDC. A security guard was inappropriately taking photos of the president inside an elevator, who it turned out he had a gun in violation of Secret Service protocols. They're supposed to know who is armed on location and limit their access to the president. Before Congress even knew about this one, the disbelief over the fence jumper.
[Rep. Darrell Issa , California:] Omar Gonzales reached at least five rings of security
[Kosinski:] The verbal takedown.
[Unidentified Male:] This is absolutely disgraceful that this has happened.
[Kosinski:] Went on for three hours.
[Unidentified Male:] Don't let them get in the White House, ever.
[Kosinski:] But from the Secret Service Director Julia Pierson. One year on the job many non-answers.
[Julia Pierson, Director, Secret Service:] It is obvious that mistakes were made.
[Kosinski:] She called it unacceptable saying a thorough internal investigation would uncover the facts and make sure it never happens again. She said that evening after Gonzales made it on to White House grounds, the officers stationed inside the front doors began locking them. When Gonzales burst through knocking the officer backwards. That officer tried to stop him but couldn't. Both of them struggling their way down the hallway, into the east room, back out into the hall.
[Pierson:] Another officer rendered aid and he was placed on the ground just outside of the green room.
[Kosinski:] Which she never mentioned, but emerged while she was on the stand. Was that it was two off-duty Secret Service agents downstairs who heard the scuffle, ran up and finally helped stop Gonzales. The firestorm of security gaps providing endless punchlines on late night.
[Jimmy Fallon, "the Tonight Show":] An intruder got to the east room when the Secret Service said whoa, there's an east room?
[David Letterman, "late Night Talk Show":] The wedding of George Clooney had better security than the White House, are you aware of that?
[Kosinski:] But the implication of these issues deadly serious.
[Rep. Stephen Lynch , Massachusetts:] I wish to God you protected the White House like you protecting your reputation here today. I wish you spent that time and that effort to protect the American president and his family.
[Kosinski:] So several members of Congress said there were parts of Pierson's testimony that didn't really seem to mesh with reality. Now the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee is announcing this Blue Ribbon Commission to do an investigation. He said he's deeply concerned about the lack of transparency that seems to be surrounding the Secret Service right now. And said that the fence-jumper is just one more in a long string of failures Michaela.
[Pereira:] Yes, and the big question is will Director Pierson survive this scandal. We'll examine that a little further on in our broadcast. Michelle, our thanks to you.
[Cuomo:] Today is a holiday in China. It's called National Day, but for many the mood is anything but happy. Let us take you there. These are live pictures from Hong Kong. Thousands of protesters back on the streets. Why? They are angry at the government. The pro-democracy demonstrations have ground that city to a halt and there is no sign government leaders or the protesters will budge. Andrew Stevens is there for us. He has more from Hong Kong Andrew.
[Andrew Stevens, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris, day four now on this protest and easily the biggest turnout. Because it's a public holiday today, a lot of regular Hong Kongers have come out to join the students. What's unusual about this scene here is not the size of the population who are involved, but the fact that they are so united on one issue. It's rare that you see Hong Kongers like this coming together on such a fundamental point. All they want, they say, is to see the system change, which allows Hong Kongers to choose who can run for the next leader of Hong Kong. So far, Beijing has said, no, we will have the final say. Hong Kong totally backs that point up. An enormously embarrassing moment from the leadership in Beijing. That on their national day, they can have tens of thousands of what are fundamentally Chinese citizens, their own citizens, absolutely protesting against a very fundamental rule that they have made. This is a very, very peaceful day here, Chris. It's actually as I look around me, I cannot see a single police uniform. It's well behaved, it's self-policed here. Don't underestimate the mood here for lack of commitment, though, they say they're going to stay until they see some sort of movement from Hong Kong. But you cannot imagine Beijing is actually going to give up into a street protest that their policies have enabled.
[Cuomo:] Chris, what's making them applaud?
[Stevens:] Say again, Chris?
[Cuomo:] What's making them applaud?
[Stevens:] OK, we just had a van running through here. Every time that a security van or actually an ambulance or an emergency services van comes through or a supply truck comes through here, everybody applauds, this is interesting. It's peaceful, it allows or it basically what they're trying to do is not give police any reason to come in here and try to restore order. They are self-policing as I said. So, when an ambulance needs to come through, the crowd parts so quickly and everybody applauds as it goes past. So, this is what they're trying to do is make sure there's no trigger point that the police can act on to try to impose their own will on this crowd.
[Cuomo:] Andrew, that's the big concern. Even if it's peaceful now, there are so many people in such a small space that if anything goes wrong, it's going to be magnified very quickly. Andrew, thank you very much for the reporting this morning. Appreciate it. Mick?
[Pereira:] Alright. Now, we turn to the war on ISIS. U.S. Central Command calling Tuesday the biggest day of air strikes against the terror group, since this campaign began. U.S. fighter jets and drones keep pounding targets. ISIS, though, still making advances on major cities in Syria and Iraq. All of this unfolding as Turkish soldiers and tanks take up positions along Syria's border, as Turkey's government considers deploying troops to battle ISIS. Let's turn to our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr who has the very latest for us. Good morning, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Michaela. That move by the Turkish military tanks and personnel along its border with Syria now being closely watched, because everyone is waiting for the Turkish government to make the decision to join the coalition. About 150,000 Syrians alone in the last few days fleeing across the border, trying to get into Turkey, away from that ISIS advance on the town of Kobani in Syria, away from the ISIS advance across northern Syria. This of course as ISIS making advances in Iraq. Taking over another Iraqi military base not far from Baghdad, this as you say, the heaviest day of strikes, 28 in total by the coalition. And the question that many are asking, how is it that ISIS is still advancing so much when these airstrikes are ongoing? Here at the Pentagon, officials are adamant that they never expected air strikes to stop ISIS in its tracks. What they are saying is the air strikes are stopping ISIS when and where they can find them. But it will be a very long time before ISIS can be stopped. The air strikes are changing in how they're being conducted. What we are seeing now, is a number of airstrikes of targets of opportunity, so to speak, aircraft patrolling the skies, looking for those ISIS personnel, ISIS weapons and dropping the bombs when and where they find them Michaela.
[Pereira:] Those air strikes being conducted by as you mentioned, the Brits getting involved, we know Australia is deploying some of their first jets over is. Thanks for the latest on that, Barbara. We appreciate it. Let's turn to John Berman now. He's got today's other top stories. Good morning, my dear.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Thanks so much, Michaela. The mayor of Bell Gardens, a city just outside of Los Angeles, has been shot and killed by his wife during an apparent domestic dispute. Forty-five-year-old Daniel Crespo and his wife Levette were arguing when their son began intervened and begun fighting with the father. That is when detectives say Crespo's wife grabbed the handgun and shot her husband several times. So far, police have not made any arrests. Investigators in Pennsylvania say they have recovered two fully functional pipe bombs in a wooded area, confirming they say that they are on the trail of suspected cop killer, Eric Frein. Police believe the three-week manhunt may be taking a toll on Frein, he is being sought now in the death of state trooper Byron Dickson in a September 12th ambush outside the state police barracks. There's still no clear motive in Tuesday's shooting at a Kentucky high school. The suspect is in custody. He is believed to be in his teens, but police are not saying yet if he is a student at Fern Creek High School in Louisville. One student was injured in the shooting. Fern Creek and a nearby elementary school were in lockdown following the shooting. So, actor Tracy Morgan says he can't believe that Walmart is blaming him for the injuries that he suffered when a Walmart truck-rear ended his limousine on the New Jersey turnpike back in June. Now, you'll remember one person was killed, Tracy Morgan was in rehab for a month for leg and rib injuries. The former "Saturday Night Live" star is suing Walmart. But the retailer's lawyers are claiming in court that Morgan and his companions are responsible for their own injuries because they were not wearing seat belts. Controversial to say the least. Let us know what you think about this. Go to Facebook.comnewday. Is this a case of blaming the victim? Maybe yes. But is this just normal legal proceedings? Maybe also yes.
[Pereira:] There's the issue of practicality in those vans. It was one of those limousine vans, correct? It's not very common for people to wear seat belts in the limousine vans.
[Cuomo:] True.
[Pereira:] And that's the point I wonder if that will come up in court.
[Cuomo:] It probably will. I mean, this is an argument based on that state, the law is comparative negligence, so they're trying to say how much, what percentage of 100 percent are they to blame? It's really about money. That's what's happening. All right. So, after the big break-in and the bullet fiasco, the Secret Service would be on top of their game, right? Wrong, listen to this one, an armed contractor allowed on to an elevator with the president. Are you kidding me? Now, the Secret Service director is under fire as well. Can she survive this? We're going to be joined by one former agent who says nope.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Australian police stop a major terrorist plot. They say ISIS supporters planned to target a random citizen, behead him or her in public, and then drape a black ISIS flag over the headless body.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Decision day in Scotland. Will there be a messy divorce if voters decide to leave the United Kingdom, or will there be reconciliation?
[Berman:] And, he has conquered the stage and screen dressed as a man and a woman. And now he's coming after your computer. Neil Patrick Harris, changing art, changing technology, and best of all, visiting us here live @
[Thishour. Berman:] Hello everyone, I'm John Berman.
[Pereira:] I'm Michaela Pereira. Those stories and much more, ahead @
[Thishour. Berman:] And we do begin with a horrifying terror plot with ties to ISIS discovered by authorities in Australia before the alleged conspiracy could unfold.
[Pereira:] Yeah, a pair of suspects are in custody in what officials are describing as a plan by extremists to carry out a public execution. The grim details are driving home fears that Middle Eastern terrorism could find its way throughout the world and to the West. Our Senior International Correspondent, Ivan Watson, has the very latest.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Michaela and John, as the Obama administration works to gather a coalition to combat ISIS, a key American ally, Australia, announced that it foiled an alleged home-grown terrorist plot that it says was linked to the ISIS militant group.
[Watson:] Pre-dawn raids across Australia's largest city. Authorities are calling it the country's biggest ever anti-terror operation. Armed with dozens of search warrants, Australian security forces detained at least 15 suspects. The Australian media reporting disturbing details. The suspects allegedly planned to film the public beheading of a random individual and then drape the body in the black flag of
[Isis. Commissioner Andrew Scipione, New South Wales, Australia Police:] It raises serious concern that right at the heart of our communities, we have people planning to conduct random attacks. And today, we've worked together to make sure that that didn't happen. We have, in fact, disrupted that particular attack.
[Watson:] Among the suspects detained, a man named Omar John Ozari, who appeared briefly in a Sydney court, charged with a terrorism-related offense. He did not enter a plea. His neighbors, shocked a suspected terrorist lived next door.
[Unidentified Male:] I never thought I would see anything like this.
[Unidentified Female:] It's actually quite frightening, my heart is actually pounding.
[Watson:] Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, says he believes at least 60 Australians are fighting alongside ISIS and other militant groups in the Middle East. He's repeatedly voiced fears these Australian Jihadis could pose a threat if they ever come home. Australian Intelligence revealed ISIS was urging home-grown sympathizers to carry out attacks in Australia.
[Tony Abbott, Australian Prime Minister:] Quite direct exaltations were coming from an Australian who is apparently quite senior in ISIL to networks of support back in Australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country.
[Watson:] Last week, Australia raised its threat level to high for the first time in the country's history. Warning a terrorist attack is likely. The Australian Prime Minister on Thursday addressed Australian troops that are headed to the Middle East. He argued that by fighting ISIS, they would be protecting the Iraqi people and by extension, the people of Australia. Michaela and John?
[Berman:] That is chilling. We'll have more on that in a little bit. Meanwhile, here at home, President Obama's strategy to battle ISIS front and center on Capitol Hill. @THISHOUR, House lawmakers will hear from the two men leading the nation's defense and diplomacy. Secretary Chuck Hagel starts testifying in about 10 minutes from now. He'll speak for the House Armed Services Committee. And at the bottom of the hour, Secretary of State, John Kerry, will testify before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. We'll bring you the key parts of both of these hearings, live.
[Pereira:] Now all of this comes on the heels of a House vote, authorizing the U.S. military to train and equip moderate Syrian rebels to combat ISIS. The Senate could vote on the measure as early as today. So lawmakers in both parties are certainly divided over the president's plan. We saw it in the House vote.
[Unidentified Male:] This vote the yeas are 273, the nays are 156. The amendment is adopted.
[Pereira:] More than a third of the representatives voted no. 71 of them Republican, 85 Democrats, including our guest, Congressman Jim Himes, he's a Democrat from Connecticut, and a member of the House Intelligence Committee. He joins us now. Good morning. Thanks for joining us.
[Rep. Jim Himes , Connecticut:] Good morning, Michaela.
[Pereira:] Sir, I want you to maybe outline for us, why exactly it is that you oppose the arming and training of Syrian rebels. What exactly are your specific concerns?
[Himes:] There are a bunch of them. I should state upfront that like most of my colleagues here, I'm in favor of an aggressive approach against ISIS. I, for example, favor the air strikes. There have been almost 200 of them in the last couple weeks that have seriously knocked them back on their heels. But when you're talking about essentially creating a proxy army of so-called moderate Syrians, that's a very different calculation. So what are the concerns? Number one, these are young men, and I've met some of them, as a part of my role on the Intelligence Committee, who are seething with hatred for President Assad of Syria. We call them the opposition, opposition, of course to Assad. So it's unclear to me and has been unclear how you take these people and say we know you really want you to go after Assad, we want you to take on these people next to you here, ISIS, because that's the threat to us. That's a very, very complicated mission. Then you've got issues about how much do we control them? We're gonna arm them, we're gonna train them, we're gonna send them into a place where we cannot go. There's a possibility that weapons wind up in bad hands, human rights violations get committed. So on balance, and this is not an easy one, but on balance I did not think that plan was sufficiently detailed and was sufficiently likelihood of success to support it.
[Berman:] So Congressman, the question becomes if you don't support these folks going in to fight ISIS on the ground in Syria, who does the fighting? Do you support the use of U.S. ground troops?
[Himes:] No, no. And look, take a big step back here, while ISIS and ten other groups like ISIS are a threat to United States and the West, the underlying conflict here, the conflict between Sunni and Shia, the conflict between extremists and moderates, between Syrians and Saudis, between Saudis and Iranians, these are not our fights. And so we shouldn't think, that the presumption is that we need to be out front on everything. It is up to the players in the region to, while we can lead with air strikes and we can organize international coalitions, they have to solve the underlying problems. If they don't solve the underlying problems, we'll be talking 20 years from now, talking about whether we should increase air strikes or increase the support we're giving to whatever group of rebels at that point happens to be aligned with our strategy.
[Pereira:] You talk about the challenges of all this. But you well know, as we do, that air strikes aren't always without their problems as well. They're hard to do in Syria when you think about how the fact is, this is not like we've talked to generals and colonels here about the fact this is not, you know, there are barracks of ISIS fighters. There aren't front lines of ISIS. They're within the population. You talk about the potential for humanitarian crisis, we could see civilians in the cross hairs here.
[Himes:] We need to be very clear with the American people about what it is that we mean when we say victory. The facts are there to see. Air strikes can knock a foe back on its heels. You know, ISIS is in a lot worse place than it was four weeks ago. We can force them to disperse. We can take out their armor, because we can find it. But, air strikes alone simply means that they go into caves and villages. No you get to troops on the ground. Troops can enter caves and enter homes. But look, we had hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan for ten years. What we do when we do that and when anybody does that, is you simply put a lid on the underlying problems. You take those ground troops away and those problems are still there which is, of course, what we're seeing in Iraq and Afghanistan which takes me back to the need to address those underlying problems.
[Berman:] Congressman, how hard was it for you to split from the president on this vote in arming and training the Syrian rebels yesterday? He's the leader of your party. What more do you want to see from the president in terms of leadership?
[Himes:] You know, he is a member of my party and I support him on most things. I'm profoundly aware of the fact that my role is one of Representative. And my role is one, if you read the Constitution, of acting as a check and balance on executive authority. First and foremost, I am a Representative, a member of the United States Congress, whose mission, really, is to make sure that power is not concentrated in any one hand. It wasn't that hard. Obviously I want to support the president. I think he's taken some really brutal and unfair attacks. That doesn't mean that you just line up when you think something he's proposing may not be a good idea.
[Pereira:] That's a fair point. We appreciate your candid comments. Thanks so much for joining us, Congressman, we appreciate it.
[Himes:] Thank you very much.
[Pereira:] From arming rebels in the Mid East to battling terrorists. Intent on attacking the West. Ahead at the hour, our military national security analysts weigh in on threats to the U.S. homeland.
[Berman:] And then changing gears, Scotland voting on parting ways with the U.K. We'll tell you why this 307-year-old relationship could finally end and end ugly.
[Pereira:] Plus Doogie Howser, Barney Stinson, whatever you prefer to call him, we call him actor and Tony winner, Neil Patrick Harris. Or NPH, as I like to say. He's joining us in studio to talk about his newest role. It's a good one. That's ahead @THISHOUR.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to the breaking news coverage we're following here in Washington. I'm Wolf Blitzer reporting. We're about to hear from the president of the United States. He's about to make a dramatic announcement, a so-called fix to the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, that would delay, at least for one year, 2014, the requirement that folks lose some of their health insurance plans, even though they may have liked those health insurance plans. The president will be walking in momentarily. Dana Bash, very quickly as we await the president, give us the big headline that he will announce.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] The headline he will announce is that they are asking insurance companies to tell people who are in the individual market that got cancellation policy notices that they can keep their plans for up to one year, but only if the insurance companies tell these consumers that there are other alternatives out there and that the benefits in these policies will be not up to snuff, are not as good as what is now required in the Obamacare law. There will also be an out for state insurance commissions. That is the gist of what we have been told that the president will announce. Very interesting, Wolf, that the House speaker used his regularly scheduled press conference just a short while ago, we took it live here, to kind of have a pre-buttal of what the president said. And one of the things that he noted was that American people, he said, don't trust they don't trust the White House anymore to make this administrative fix. And that was interesting for a lot of reasons, but mostly because he sees the polling, just like everybody else does, is that the president's polling is dipping in a lot of areas, but mostly, and maybe most concerning, in the area of trust and character. And I think that is a big reason why tomorrow, even though Democrats want the administration to do this administratively, they want them to do it without the need of a bill to pass Congress and go to the president's desk, they are still going to offer an alternative on the floor of the House of Representatives tomorrow so that Democrats can go back to their constituents and they don't have to explain to the
[Blitzer:] All right, hold on, Dana. Hold on. Dana, hold on. Here is the president.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] Today, I want to update the American people on our efforts to implement and improve the Affordable Care Act, and I'll take a couple of your questions. But before I do, I just want to say a few words about the tragedy that's unfolded in the Philippines. Over the past few days, I think all of us have been shaken by the images of the devastation brought by Typhoon Haiyan. It's a heartbreaking reminder of how fragile life is, and among the dead are several Americans. So our prayers are with the Filipino people and with Filipino- Americans across our country who are anxious about their family and friends back home. One of our core principles is, when friends are in trouble, America helps. As I told President Aquino earlier this week, the United States will continue to offer whatever military assistance we can. Our military personnel and USAID team do this better than anybody in the world, and they've been already on the ground working tirelessly to deliver food, water, medicine, shelter and to help with airlift. Today the Aircraft Carrier USS George Washington and other ships arrived to help with search-and-rescue, as well as supplies, medical care and logistical support, and more help is on the way America's strength of course has always been more than just about what our government can do. It's also about what our citizens can do. It's about the big heartedness of the American people when they see other folks in trouble. So today I would encourage everybody who wants to help to visit whitehouse.govtyphoon. That's whitehouse.govtyphoon. And that will offer you links to organizations that are working on the ground and ways that you can support their efforts. Our friends in the Philippines will face a long hard road ahead, but they'll continue to have a friend and partner in the United States of America. Now, switching gears, it has now been six weeks since the Affordable Care Act's new marketplaces opened for business. I think it's fair to say that the roll-out has been tough so far, and I think everybody understands that I'm not happy about the fact that the roll- out has been, you know, wrought with a whole range of problems that I've been deeply concerned about. But today, I want to talk about what we know after these first few weeks and what we're doing to implement and improve the law. Yesterday, the White House announced that in the first month more than 100,000 Americans successfully enrolled in new insurance plans. Is that as high a number as we'd like? Absolutely not. But, it does mean that people want affordable health care. The problems of the website have prevented too many Americans from completing the enrollment process, and that's on us, not on them. But there's no question that there's real demand for quality affordable health insurance. In the first month, nearly a million people successfully completed an application for themselves or their families, those applications represent more than 1.5 million people. Of those 1.5 million, 106,000 of them have successfully signed up to get covered. Another 396,000 have the ability to gain access to Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. That's been less reported on, but it shouldn't be. Americans who are having a difficult time, who are poor, many of them working, may have a disability they're Americans like everybody else. And the fact that they are now able to get insurance is going to be critically important. Later today, I'll be in Ohio where Governor Kasich, a Republican, has expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. And as many as 275,000 Ohioans will ultimately be better off because of it. And if every governor followed suit, another 5.4 million Americans could gain access to health care next year. So the bottom line is in just one month, despite all the problems that we've seen with the website, more than 500,000 Americans could know the security of health care by January 1st, many of them for the first time in their lives. And that's life-changing and it's significant. That still leaves about 1 million Americans who successfully made it through the website, now qualified by insurance, but haven't picked a plan yet. And there's no question that if the website were working as it's supposed to, that number would be much higher of people who've actually enrolled. So that's problem number one, making sure that the website works the way it's supposed to. It's gotten a lot better over the last few weeks than it was on the first day7 to get it working for the vast majority of Americans in a smooth, consistent way. The other problem that has received a lot of attention concerns Americans who've received letters from their insurers that they may be losing the plans they bought in the old individual market, often because they no longer meet the law's requirements to cover basic benefits like prescription drugs or doctor's visits. Now, as I indicated earlier, I completely get how upsetting this can be for a lot of Americans, particularly after assurances they heard from me that if they had a plan that they liked, they could keep it. And to those Americans, I hear you loud and clear. I said that I would do everything we can to fix this problem, and today I'm offering an idea that will help do it. Already, people who have plans that pre-date the Affordable Care Act can keep those plans, if they haven't changed. That was already in the law. That's what's called a grandfather clause. It was included in the law. Today we're gonna extend that principle both to people whose plans have changed since the law took effect and to people who bought plans since the law took effect. So state insurance commissioners still have the power to decide what plans can and can't be sold in their states, but the bottom line is insurers can extend current plans that would otherwise be canceled into 2014, and Americans whose plans have been canceled can choose to re-enroll in the same kind of plan. We're also requiring insurers to extend current plans to inform their customers about two things. One, that protections what protections these renewed plans don't include. Number two, that the marketplace offers new options with better coverage and tax credits that might help you bring down the cost. So if you received one of these letters, I'd encourage you to take a look at the marketplace. Even if the website isn't working as smoothly as it should be for everybody yet, the plan comparison tool that lets you browse costs for new plans near you is working just fine. Now, this fix won't solve every problem for every person. But it's gonna help a lot of people. Doing more will require work with Congress. And I've said from the beginning, I'm willing to work with Democrats and Republicans to fix problems as they arise. This is an example of what I was talking about. We can always make this law work better. It is important to understand, though, that the old individual market was not working well. And it's important that we don't pretend that somehow that's a place worth going back to. Too often, it works fine, as long as you stay healthy. It doesn't work well when you're sick. So year after year, Americans were routinely exposed to financial ruin or denied coverage due to minor pre-existing conditions or dropped from coverage altogether, even if they paid their premiums on time. That's one of the reasons we pursued this reform in the first place. And that's why I will not accept proposals that are just another brazen attempt to undermine or repeal the overall law and drag us back into a broken system. We will continue to make the case even the folks who choose to keep their own plans that they should shop around in the new marketplace, because there's a good chance that they'll be able to buy better insurance at lower cost. So we're going to do everything we can to help the Americans who've received these cancellation notices. But I also want everybody to remember, there are still 40 million Americans who don't have health insurance at all. I'm not going to walk away from 40 million people who have the chance to get health insurance for the first time, and I'm not going to walk away from something that has helped the cost of health care grow at its slowest rate in 50 years. So we're at the opening weeks of the project to build a better health care system for everybody, a system that will offer real financial security and peace of mind to millions of Americans. It is a complex process. There are all kinds of challenges. I'm sure there will be additional challenges that come up. And it's important that we're honest and straightforward in terms, when we come up with a problem with these reforms and these laws, that we address them. But we've got to move forward on this. It took 100 years for us to even get to the point where we could start talking about and implementing a law to make sure everybody's got health insurance. And my pledge to the American people is, is that we're going to solve the problems that are there, we're going to get it right, and the Affordable Care Act is going to work for the American people. So with that, I'm going to take your questions, and I'm going to start with Julie Pace of
[A.p. Question:] Thank you, Mr. President. The combination of the website problems and the concerns over the policy cancellations has sparked a lot of worry within your own party. And polls also show that you're taking some hits with the public on both your overall job approval rating and also on factors like trust and honesty. Do you feel as though the flawed health care roll-out has led to a breach in the public trust and confidence in government? And if so, how do you plan to resolve that?
[Obama:] There is no doubt that people are frustrated. We just came out of a shutdown, and the possibility that, for the first time in over 200 years, we wouldn't pay our bills. And people breathed a sigh of relief when that finally got done. And the next thing they know is, is that the president's health care reform can't get the website to work and that there are these other problems with respect to cancellation notices. And, you know, I understand why folks are frustrated. I would be, too, because sometimes, you know, people look at what's taking place in Washington and they say, "Not enough is getting done that helps me with my life." And, you know, regardless of what Congress does, ultimately I'm the president of the United States and they expect me to do something about it. So in terms how I intend to approach it, I'm just going to keep on working as hard as I can around the priorities that I think the American people care about. And I think it's legitimate for them to expect me to have to win back some credibility on this health care law in particular and on a whole range of these issues in general. And, you know, that that's on me. I mean, we fumbled the roll-out on this health care law. There're a whole bunch of things about it that are working really well, which people didn't notice, all right, because they weren't controversial. So making sure kids could stay on their parents' plans "til they up through the age of 25; or making sure that seniors got more discounts on their prescription drugs. There were a whole bunch of stuff that we did well over the first three years. But we always knew that these marketplaces creating a place where people can shop and through competition get a better deal for the health insurance that their families need, we always knew that was going to be complicated and that everybody was going to be paying a lot of attention to it. And we should have done a better job getting that right on day one not on day 28 or on day 40. I am confident that by by the time we look back on this next year that people are gonna say, 'This is working well," and it's helping a lot of people. But my intention in terms of winning back the confidence of the American people is just to work as hard as I can, identify the problems that we've got, make sure that we're fixing them, whether it's a website, whether it is making sure that folks who got these cancellation notices get help. We're just gonna keep on chipping away at this until the job is done. Major Garrett?
[Question:] Thank you, Mr. President. You said while the law was being debated, "If you like your plan, you can keep it." You said after the law was implemented or signed, "If you like your plan, you can keep it." Americans believed you, sir, when you said that to them over and over. Do you not believe, sir, the American people deserve a deeper, more transparent accountability from you as to why you said that over and over, when your own statistics published in the Federal Register alerted your policy staff, and I presume you, to the fact that millions of Americans would in fact probably fall into the very gap you're trying to administratively fix now? That's one question. Second question...
[Obama:] OK, on the website, I was not informed correctly that the website would not be working the way it was supposed to. Had I been informed, I wouldn't be going out saying, "Boy, this is going to be great." You know, I'm accused of a lot of things, but I don't think I'm stupid enough to go around saying "this is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity," a week before the website opens if I thought that it wasn't going to work. So clearly, we and I did not have enough awareness about the problems in the website. Even a week into it, the thinking was that these were some glitches that would be fixed with patches, as opposed to some broader systemic problems that took much longer to fix and we're still working on them. So, you know, that doesn't excuse the fact that it does not work, but I think it's fair to say that no, Garrett Major, we would not have rolled out something knowing very well that it wasn't going to work the way it was supposed to, given all the scrutiny that we knew was gonna be on on the website. With respect to the pledge you made that if you like your plan you can keep it. I think you know, and I've said in interviews that there is no doubt that the way I put that forward, unequivocally, ended up not being accurate. It was not because of my intention not to deliver on that commitment and that promise. We put a grandfather clause into the law, but it was insufficient. Keep in my mind that the individual market accounts for 5 percent of the population. So when I said you can keep your health care, I'm you know, I'm looking at folks who've got employer based health care. I'm looking at folks who've got Medicare and Medicaid. And that accounts for the vast majority of Americans. And then for people who don't have any health insurance at all, obviously, that didn't apply. My commitment to them was, you're gonna be able to get affordable health care for the first time. You have an individual market that accounts for about 5 percent of the population, and our working assumption was my working assumption was that the majority of those folks would find better policies at lower costs or the same costs in the marketplaces, and that there the the universe of folks who potentially would not find a better deal in the marketplaces the grandfather clause would work sufficiently for them. And it didn't. And again, that's on us, which is why we're that's on me, and that's why I'm trying to fix it. And as I said earlier, I guess, last week and I will repeat that's something I deeply regret, because it's scary getting a cancellation notice. Now, it is important to understand that out of that population, typically, there is constant churn in that market. This market is not very stable and reliable for people. So people have a lot of complaints when they're in that marketplace. As long as you're healthy, things seem to be going pretty good. And so, a lot of people think, "I've got pretty good insurance," until they get sick and then, suddenly, they look at the fine print and they've got a $50,000 out-of-pocket expense that they can't pay. We know that on average over the last decade, each year, premiums in that individual market would go up an average of 15 percent a year. I know that because when we were talking about health care reform, one of the complaints was, I bought health care in the individual market, and I just got a notice from the insurer, they dropped me after I had an illness, or my premiums skyrocketed by 20 percent or 30 percent. Why aren't we doing something about this? So part of what our goal has been is to make sure that that individual market is stable and fair and has the kind of consumer protections that make sure that people don't get a rude surprise when they really need health insurance. But if you just got a cancellation notice and so far you're thinking my prices are pretty good, you haven't been sick, and it fits your budget, and now you get this notice, you're gonna be worried about it. And if the insurer's saying the reason you're getting this notice is because of the Affordable Care Act, then you're gonna be understandably aggravated about it. Now, for a big portion of those people, the truth is they might have gotten a notice saying we're jacking up your rates by 30 percent. They might have said from here on out, we're not gonna cover X,Y and Z illnesses. We're changing because these were all 12-month policies. The insurance companies were under no obligation to renew the exact same policies that you had before. But look, one of the things I understood when we decided to reform the health insurance market, part of the reason why it hasn't been done before and it's very difficult to do is that anything that's going on that's tough in the health care market, if you initiated a reform, can be attributed to your law. And and so what we want to do is to be able to say to these folks, you know what, the Affordable Care Act is not going to be the reason why insurers have to cancel your plan. Now, what folks may find is, the insurance companies may still come back and say, "We want to charge you 20 percent more than we did last year," or, "We're not going to cover prescription drugs now." But that will that's in the nature of the market that existed earlier.
[Question:] Did you decide, sir, that the simple declaration was something the American people could handle, but this nuanced answer you just gave now was something they couldn't handle and you didn't trust the American people with the fuller truth?
[Obama:] No. I think, as I said earlier, Major, my expectation was that for 98 percent of the American people either it genuinely wouldn't change at all or they'd be pleasantly surprised with the options in the marketplace and that the grandfather clause would cover the rest. That proved not to be the case. And that's on me. And the American people those who got cancellation notices do deserve and have received an apology from me. But they don't want just words. What they want is whether we can make sure that they are in a better place and that we meet that commitment. And, by the way, I think it's very important for me to note that, you know, there are a whole bunch of folks up in Congress and others who made this statement and they were entirely sincere about it. And the fact that you've got this this percentage of people who've had this, you know, impact, I want them to know that, you know, their senator or congressman, they were making representations based on what I told them and what this White House and our, you know, administrative staff told them. And so it's not on them; it's on us. But it is something that we intend to fix. Good.
[Question:] Do you have reason to believe that Iran would walk away from nuclear talks if Congress draws up new sanctions? And would that would a diplomatic breakdown at this stage leave you no option for military action? And how do you respond to your critics on the Hill who say that it was only tough sanctions that got Iran to the table, only tougher sanctions will make them capitulate?
[Obama:] Well, let me make a couple of points. Number one, I've said before and I will repeat, we do not want Iran having nuclear weapons. And it would be not only dangerous to us and our allies, but it would be destabilizing to the entire region and could trigger a nuclear arms race that would make life much more dangerous for all of us. So our policy is: Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. And I'm leaving all options on the table to make sure that we meet that goal. Point number two, the reason we've got such vigorous sanctions is because I and my administration put in place when I came into office the international structure to have the most effective sanctions ever. So I think it's fair to say that I know a little bit about sanctions since we set 'em up and made sure that we mobilized the entire international community so that there weren't a lot of loopholes and they really have bite. And the intention in setting up those sanctions always was to bring the Iranians to the table so that we can resolve this issue peacefully, because that is my preference. That's my preference because any armed conflict has costs to it, but it's also my preference because the best way to ensure that a country does not have nuclear weapons is that they are making a decision not to have nuclear weapons and we're in a position to verify that they don't have nuclear weapons. So as a consequence of the sanctions that we put in place and I appreciate all the help, bipartisan help that we received from Congress in making that happen Iran's economy has been crippled. They had a negative 5 percent growth rate last year. Their currency plummeted. They're having significant problems in just the day-to-day economy on the ground in Iran. And President Rouhani made a decision that he was prepared to come and have a conversation with the international community about what they could do to solve this problem with us. We've now had a series of conversations. And it has never been realistic that we would resolve the entire problem all at once. What we have done is seen the possibility of an agreement in which Iran would halt advances on its program, that it would dilute some of the highly enriched uranium that makes it easier for them to potentially produce a weapon; that they are subjecting themselves to much more vigorous inspections so that we know exactly what they're doing at all their various facilities; and that would then provide time and space for us to test over a certain period of months whether or not they are prepared to actually resolve this issue to the satisfaction of the international community, making us confident that in fact they're not pursuing a nuclear weapons program. In return, the basic structure of what's been talked about, although not completed, is that we would provide very modest relief at the margins of the sanctions that we've set up. But importantly, we would leave in place the core sanctions that are most effective and have most impact on the Iranian economy, specifically oil sanctions and sanctions with respect to banks and financing. And what that gives us is the opportunity to test how serious are they, but it also gives us an assurance that if it turns out six months from now that they're not serious, we can crank we can dial those sanctions right back up. So my message to Congress has been that let's see if this short-term, phase-one deal can be completed to our satisfaction where we're absolutely certain that while we're talking to the Iranians, they're not busy advancing their program. We can buy some additional months in terms of their breakout capacity. Let's test how willing they are to actually resolve this diplomatically and peacefully. We will have lost nothing if, at the end of the day, it turns out that they are not prepared to provide the international community the hard proof and assurances necessary for us to know that they're not pursuing a nuclear weapon. And if that's turns out to be the case, then not only is our entire sanctions infrastructure still in place, not only are they still losing money from the fact that they can't sell their oil and get revenues from their oil as easily, even throughout these talks, but other options remain.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Right now, a winter storm is hitting the Southeast hard. Roads are iced over, flights are canceled, hundreds of thousands of people have no power. Also, right now, Senator Rand Paul is suing President Obama and three other top U.S. officials. He says NSA surveillance of U.S. citizens, quote, "crosses the line" and that it's time to let the courts step in. And right now, newly discovered documents are revealing a lot more about Hillary Clinton, including her thoughts on the news media, on revenge, and on her desire to become a kindergarten teacher. Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. Snow, sleet, crippling ice, it's a triple-weather threat that's hitting the southeast right now. At least five deaths are blamed on this massive storm. So far, power has been knocked out to 10s of thousands of people and many flights are grounded. Georgia has been particularly hard hit. The Georgia governor, Nathan Diehl, will join us live in just a few minutes for an update on what's going on there. But first, let's get to Chad Myers. He's outside on the streets of Atlanta, keeping a close eye on the powder power outages and the flight cancellations. Chad, what's the latest?
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, up to a quarter of a million people now without power and that number is growing rapidly. When I first looked at that number, about 6:00 a.m. this morning, it was at 54,000. I thought, wow, maybe we get lucky. But now, up to a quarter million and trees are falling and power lines are coming down. My coat is wet now. A long time ago couple hours ago, at least, Wolf, all of this stuff coming down was bouncing off. It was sleet. Now it isn't sleet. Now it's this freezing rain. It's completely covering everything in ice. There is the ice just right on that little branch of that little plant right there. And the trees are getting heavy and the winds are blowing 30 miles per hour. Three thousand flights already cancelled across the country, almost a thousand in Hartsfield, Jackson alone. I looked at Flight Tracker a little bit ago. I saw maybe three or four flights that were trying to get to Atlanta. I'm not sure they're going to get here or get diverted but they're at least trying. This now is a more dangerous storm than it was a couple of hours ago with all of this being wet and not already frozen on the way down. It freezes when it gets here, because what I'm standing on, the ground, is 30 degrees, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] And within the next 24 hours, this storm is going to move towards the Northeast, Washington, Philadelphia, New York. What can people expect there?
[Myers:] You know, I'm going to go with 10 inches plus or minus two for all of the big cities, less to the east of D.C., like Annapolis, more to the west front royal. And right through the city of D.C., probably somewhere around eight. Same story, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York because the storm is driving itself right up the line of I-95. Now, there is an issue that, at some point in time for New York City, it may change over to a rain-snow mix that may reduce the amount of snow that you see. The liquid will be the same but it will reduce how fluffy the snow is so that your snow totals in New York may be less. They will certainly be less than that in Boston, because you do mix over with rain-snow mixing in Boston, for sure.
[Blitzer:] All right, Chad, we'll check back with you shortly. Thank you.
[Myers:] You're welcome.
[Blitzer:] George Howell is also out on the icy roads of Atlanta right now, a city that was paralyzed by a storm earlier this winter. George, what's it like where you are?
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, yes, you know, we've been driving around pretty much all morning through the sleet, through the freezing rain, and really the best example of the effect that can have is right here on the antenna of our SUV. I mean, you look at all the ice that has built up on this antenna over just a few hours and, you know, there is more to come. Again, this is a multiday event and as it builds up on power lines, as it builds up on trees, the concern is that trees will fall, power lines will go down. And, as Chad mentioned, more than 200,000 people without power at this hour here in the metro area. I want to go ahead and switch over to our camera on the road just to see you show you, rather, what the roads look like right now. And, again, you know, people really heeded the warning. People are staying off the roads. They're staying at home. The roads right now many of these highways this is interstate 20. I-20 was sanded so that's good news. People who are out on the road, basically you have to be sure to drive slowly, be careful. But the roads have been sanded and salted, for the most part. Also, we know that over the next several hours, we'll get more of this as we get more rain, as we get more sleet and snow in the north. It will be a problem for people, especially if they have to get out.
[Blitzer:] All right, George, thanks very much. George Howell is out on the streets of Atlanta for us. Two weeks ago, two inches of snow packed those same roads with parked and abandoned cars. Today, it looks a whole lot different as you just saw. Joining us now is the Georgia governor, Nathan Deal. Governor, thanks very much for joining us. I know you're incredibly busy. When we spoke a couple weeks ago, you said the biggest lesson you've learned from the previous mistakes of the last storm was that you need to be everyone in Georgia needs to be more proactive. So, has that worked this time around?
[Gov. Nathan Deal , Georgia:] Absolutely. The public has been very, very cooperative. People are staying at home which is the best thing that they can do. It gives our crews that are treating the roads the opportunity to be out there. It gives all of the other emergency management people the opportunity to restore power when they go when power goes down. And to remove trees and debris from the roadways as well as from the other passages in our state along the streets themselves.
[Blitzer:] Schools were a big problem the last time. And you and I spoke a couple weeks ago. You said you had no control over the schools' decision whether to stay open or shut down. I think it's as a proactive matter, everyone has basically shut the schools today and tomorrow, right?
[Deal:] That's correct, they have. And that keeps the school buses and the children from being out on the roadways. That was the appropriate decision on their part. And we've just had great cooperation from every level of government in this emergency. We have a huge part of our state that is under a declaration, some 91 counties now, that extends well down into south Georgia. So, everybody at the local level is working to make sure they're using their resources appropriately. The public is cooperating by staying off the roads. And we are just going to make the best of it, and we're going to come through it.
[Blitzer:] We just heard Chad tell us, what, more than 100,000 people in Georgia already are without power and more could be without power and that could last for several days. What do you do in a situation like this, especially elderly people who don't have electricity?
[Deal:] Well, first of all, we have our crews ready to evacuate individuals, if necessary. We have some 280,000 beds that are available all across our state parks are available, some 11 state parks have opened up. We have our National Guard armories. They have cots available. The federal government has made available to us supplies, if necessary, to be distributed. We are all working cooperatively with state agencies, working with our federal partners who are on standby and are ready to help if we call them.
[Blitzer:] Have you decided to call on FEMA, federal authorities, the National Guard? Are they already involved or are they simply on standby right now?
[Deal:] No, the National Guard has been involved. They are already out there with their four wheel drive vehicles, their Humvees. They've been engaged have the very beginning. FEMA has also engaged, since the president has also acknowledged and declared a federal emergency for almost all of the counties that we have put under the state emergency warning. There are federal resources on standby for food and supplies if and when we need to call on those. But we don't have anybody in any of our shelters right now. And that's a good thing. But the shelters are available, and we will have transport available in the event people can't get there on their own.
[Blitzer:] As we wrap it up, governor, because I know you've got to get back to work, give some advice to Georgia residents right now. What's the most important thing they need to be aware of that they need to do?
[Deal:] Well, it's to continue to do what they've done over the last day or so and that is to stay off the roads unless it's absolutely necessary. They have stocked up on supplies from what we can determine. And also, for them to stay out of the way in the event there are falling power lines. Allow the electricity companies to do their job. They will restore power as quickly as possible. But it's important that if you see a power line on the ground, you must assume that it is live and that it's dangerous and just stay away from it.
[Blitzer:] I take it flights, by and large, they really have been disrupted out of Atlanta Hartsfield, right?
[Deal:] Well, we have a ban that's really coming from the metro area, extending easterly toward Augusta, Georgia and that is where the most ice and snow appears to be headed. And we have alerted our facilities all across that part of our state, and we are shifting resources to the areas where the ice seems to be getting the worst.
[Blitzer:] Do they have enough icing equipment out there, as far as you know? De-icing equipment?
[Deal:] We think we think we are in pretty good shape. We have brought many tons of additional sand and salt into the state over the last couple of days and some of our neighboring states have been very cooperative in assisting us in that undertaking. We think we will have enough, and we are making that available as we have it available to local jurisdictions that call on us for assistance there.
[Blitzer:] Governor Nathan Deal of Georgia, good luck to you. Good luck to all the folks in Georgia, indeed throughout the south right now. These are potentially very perilous times. Thanks very much for joining us.
[Deal:] Thank you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] We're going to have much more on the weather situation in the south, and that bad weather moving towards the Northeast, including Washington, D.C. where I am. And much more coming up on this story. Also, other stories we're following. Did Hillary Clinton actually want to save White House documents, quote, "for revenge"? We're going to have the latest insights on the trove of documents left behind by a Clinton confidant, including whether the first lady also considered teaching kindergarten. And up next, Boehner versus the GOP. The House speaker threw in the towel on the debt ceiling when he couldn't get Republicans in line. We're going to speak with Gloria Borger. She's standing by live to talk about Boehner's party problems. What's going on inside the GOP right now?

[Blitzer:] Let's continue our coverage of the government shutdown right now. We are joined by someone who has now become a relatively frequent critic of some members of his own party, especially during this government shutdown. Republican Congressman Peter King of New York is joining us. Congressman, thanks very much for coming in.
[Rep. Peter King , Homeland Security Committee Chairman:] Thank you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] These poll numbers, especially for Republicans, are awful, but they're awful for everyone right now. The NBC News"Wall Street Journal" poll, vote to defeat and replace every member of Congress, including your own representative, 60 percent of the American people say, yes, 35 percent say no. You have been in Washington, you have been around for a long time. Has it ever been this bad, this lack of faith in Congress?
[King:] Wolf, I don't think so. And I was here during the impeachment. I have been here during some rough times, obviously here in 2008 during the meltdown. No, I have never seen anything like this. And I think the numbers are especially bad for Republicans, the fact that the gap between Democrats and Republicans has widened, the fact that we are down to 24. And this was very predictable going back three or four weeks ago, when Ted Cruz started us on this maniacal crusade and started Republicans on this maniacal crusade which it was a dead end. It couldn't go anywhere. It antagonized the American people and it was a totally fraudulent effort. And now it's time for us to break loose from this and just open the government, work the best arrangement we can on the debt ceiling, which we should have been doing for the last six weeks, rather than getting bogged down and dragged into this morass by Ted Cruz.
[Blitzer:] You just tweeted a little while ago. I follow you. And you said, "It's time to reject Senator Ted Cruz and reach an agreement as soon as possible." I must say, you have been predicting these dismal numbers for president and you're a Republican since the very beginning. You thought it was a major blunder to throw in Obamacare in this effort to avoid the government shutdown, if you will, and deal with raising the nation's debt ceiling. But it's not just Ted Cruz. It's a whole bunch of other Republicans as well, especially in the House of Representatives.
[King:] Yes, there's about 30 or 40 Republicans in the House of Representatives who have tied themselves to Ted Cruz. Now, I voted against Obamacare 42 times. I want it repealed. The fact is, you don't shut down the government if you don't get your way. You elect more Republicans and you elect a Republican president. That's how you do it in a democratic society. No, we had a number of Republicans in the House who went against what John Boehner wanted to do. The speaker did not want to go this route. But we had 30 or 40 people who basically said they would bring the House down, they would bring everything to a halt unless this was done. And Ted Cruz promised that once it got to the Senate, he would take care of it. Well, the fact is, he didn't. I just wish Wolf, you mentioned the fact that I had spoken out against this three or four weeks ago. I wish other Republicans around the country had also spoken out against Senator Cruz. But, rather than stand back, I think it would have helped John Boehner if national Republicans had specifically said this is wrong, not just say that Congress is dysfunctional or the Republicans aren't working, but actually you're talking about it's a handful of people who have driven this, and they should have been targeted. And I hope in the future that's one lesson we can learn and not allow this to happen again.
[Blitzer:] If this goes on and on, you think it could cost the Republican Party the majority in the House next week?
[King:] It is certainly going to hurt us, especially when you talk to Republicans in competitive districts, because they're stuck between a Republican base that could be energized by Ted Cruz with primaries who will cost them tremendous amounts of money to get through a primary. Then they will have an energized Democrat to run against. In some of these very red districts, even if that person should lose a primary, it's still going to be a Republican who wins. But in the competitive districts that make the majority, districts in New York and New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, and Ohio, you know, they're the districts that make the majority. There's a number of members there who are who could face real battles. These are good Republicans. These are guys who are absolutely committed conservatives, but they don't want to shut the government down, like Ted Cruz does, and it leaves them vulnerable.
[Blitzer:] We asked our Twitter followers to send us some suggested questions for you. We got this one. I will put it up on the screen. "Ask Peter King when he is planning to switch parties." OK. Go ahead.
[King:] I actually resent that question. I am a lifetime Republican. I was at Barry Goldwater rallies in the 1960s. I have a conservative rating of 75 percent. I'm absolutely proud to be Republican. There's nothing at all Republican about shutting down the government when you don't get what you want. There's nothing at all Republican about people like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul who want to filibuster against drones which defend America against terrorist attack. So, no, as far as I'm concerned, those guys are the RINOs. I'm the real Republican.
[Blitzer:] If you take a look at the government shutdown right now, all the talk about that, it sort of really upstaged some of the glitches in the rollout of Obamacare. You oppose Obamacare, but lot of people aren't necessarily paying attention to it because of this huge and it's understandable, this huge fight over the government shutdown and raising the debt ceiling. How do you feel about that?
[King:] I think President Obama should send a campaign contribution to Ted Cruz. He has done more to boost to help Obamacare than anyone. The numbers on Obamacare have gone up by about 7 percent during the worse week that it should be having because of such a terrible, terrible breakout that it had. It was just terrible. And yet all the attention was on the government shutdown. So, again, Ted Cruz wanted to stop Obamacare, they want to defund it. That's what his supporters wanted to do. And instead Obamacare is going ahead, it's being fully funded, and it's not getting the criticism that it should. If anything, its popularity has gone up, which is really, really disgraceful.
[Blitzer:] Peter King, as usual, thanks very much coming in.
[King:] Wolf, thank you.
[Blitzer:] That's it for me. Thanks very much for watching. "CROSSFIRE" starts right now.

[Romans:] Iconic comedian Bill Cosby facing another accusation of sexual assault, a new accusation. TV host and former model Janice Dickinson telling "Entertainment Tonight" she met Cosby in Lake Tahoe in 1982 to discuss a possible role on "The Cosby Show". Listen to her describe what she claims happened at the end of the evening.
[Janice Dickinson, Former Model:] After dinner in my room, he'd given me wine and a pill. And the next morning I woke up and I wasn't wearing my pajamas. And I remember before I passed out that I had been sexually assaulted by this man.
[Romans:] We've reached out for comment from Cosby's team. His lawyer sending a statement to The Wrap website calling Dickinson's accusations, quote, "an outrageous, defamatory lie." CNN has learned Netflix is postponed the release of the comedian's stand-up special, "Bill Cosby 77". It was scheduled to begin streaming the day after Thanksgiving. New video this morning that appears to show Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson getting involved in an altercation on the job in 2013. It comes as the embattled Missouri town awaits a grand jury decision whether to indict the officer for the shooting death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown. Listen as Wilson approaches a resident for having derelict vehicles on his property.
[Unidentified Male:] What's your name, sir?
[Darren Wilson, Ferguson Police Officer:] If you want to take a picture one more time, I'm going to lock your ass up.
[Unidentified Male:] Sir, I'm not taking a picture. I'm recording this incident, sir. Do I not have the right to record?
[Wilson:] No, you don't.
[Romans:] The video is grainy but CNN has obtained a Ferguson police report confirming that was Wilson responding to that home last fall. This as a Justice Department panel begins reviewing the polcie response to those 16 days of protests in Ferguson after Michael Brown was killed. The death of University of Virginia student Hannah Graham has officially been ruled a homicide. But according to the medical examiner, exactly how she died is still undetermined. The 18-year-old vanished in September after a night out with friends. Her remains were discovered, following a month-long search, some ten miles from where she was last seen in Charlottesville. The suspect in her disappearance, Jesse Matthew Jr., is currently in jail on charges in an unrelated case. Breaking overnight, another Westerner diagnosed with Ebola. This time it's a Cuban doctor working in Sierra Leone. Felix Baez Sarria is being sent to the University Hospital of Geneva in Switzerland for specialized treatment. The physician came down with a fever of more than 100 degrees on Sunday and was diagnosed with Ebola the following day. It is unclear how he caught the deadly virus. The head of the Centers for Disease Control is asking Congress to put more than $6 billion in emergency federal funding into the fight against Ebola. Thomas Friedman [sic] telling lawmakers the CDC is work on borrowed dollars. He says the only way to protect Americans from Ebola is to stop it at the source in West Africa. He likened the spread of the virus to wildfire. All right. Those crazy mob scenes on Black Friday hey, maybe they're a thing of the past. We're going to get an EARLY START on your money next.

[Michael Holmes, Cnn Co-anchor:] Live pictures now of New York and Atlanta. Also, the map there, you can see the South is getting soaked at the moment, the north bracing for the nasty winter storm that's headed that way.
[Gorani:] And here are the numbers. You might be one of them. Forty-three million people, all set to travel during the Thanksgiving holiday, and the deadly, because it has been deadly, weather threatens to ruin many of those plans. Welcome back to "
[Around The World". Holmes:] And we are covering the storm and how it will affect your holiday travel plans like no one else. We've got crews in position right across the country. You can see there, Shannon Travis in Virginia, Rene Marsh at Dulles International Airport, Chad Myers, monitoring flights across the country from the CNN Weather Center.
[Gorani:] OK, let's go live to Shannon Travis. He's been driving through a wintry mix of snow and rain across Pennsylvania. There he is on the side of the road. All right, the conditions out there near Pittsburgh so far, Shannon.
[Shannon Travis, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, the conditions, the snow has been coming down. And, you know, Hala, when we were driving in, it was pretty much an annoying rain, but when we got here, when we arrived, it was as if Mother Nature said, "Welcome," to this wicked winter mess. The area's under a winter storm warning right now. As you mentioned, we're about 20 miles outside of Pittsburgh. We're in a place called Irwin. And we've just essentially just been kind of monitoring how much snowfall we've been seeing since we've been out here. I'm just going to use an unofficial ruler, my finger. We estimated about three inches of snow right here in this area. I've spoken with officials at the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation. They tell me about 80-plus trucks and 135 crews are going to be out, in force, tonight, working 12-hour shifts apiece.
[Gorani:] Shannon Travis, thanks very much, with the latest from Pennsylvania. You got a sense there in the background how nasty it is and how nasty it might get, even worse.
[Holmes:] That sort of wet cold. If you're flying out after a major airport, here's a tip. Gets the crossword puzzles out or Angry Birds or whatever it is you do.
[Gorani:] Or "Very Angry Birds?"
[Holmes:] "Very Angry Birds," that aren't flying, because flight delays are averaging as long as four hours, starting tomorrow. And you can see right there, some of the spots where there could be problems today.
[Gorani:] And there you have it, pretty much a diagonal line from Atlanta to Baltimore. Rene Marsh is the an Dulles International Airport outside Washington. Rene?
[Rene Marsh, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right. Well, I can tell you, that is the word we're hearing over and over again for the situation at airports across the country, essentially up and down the eastern seaboard, is delay, delay, delay. And we're seeing more delays than we're seeing cancellations at this point. Rough estimate, according to many websites that track the flights around the country, more than 1,600 delays at this point.
[Marsh:] Been there, done that. Dulles Airport revved up these snow plows during the last snowstorm in March. Today, Dulles and airports up and down the East Coast are prepared to do the same, if it comes to it.
[Rob Yingling, Metro Washington Airports Authority:] So far the forecast seems to be pointing towards a nuisance storm from our perspective, one that's not going to result in severe cancellations, but more so, delays.
[Marsh:] But still, it could be a nightmare for some flyers.
[Daniel Baker, Flightaware.com:] We see a lot of delays and we see a lot of cancellations with storms like this.
[Marsh:] Daniel Baker runs the flight tracking Web site, flightaware.com. He says making matters worst, planes are already full.
[Baker:] The issue they run into is that if you cancel one flight, there may not be capacity on later flights to accommodate all of the displaced passengers.
[Marsh:] Twenty-five million people are traveling by air this Thanksgiving holiday up 1.5 percent from last year.
[Unidentified Female:] We decided to leave early, and we're just keeping our fingers crossed. Hopefully we'll be there and all right and still able to visit family and enjoy our week.
[Marsh:] Busiest travel day? The Sunday after Thanksgiving. The second busiest day? Tomorrow. Just in time for the storm.
[Baker:] What I always say is, have a low expectation when traveling through bad weather on the airlines, particularly around the holidays, and you won't be disappointed.
[Marsh:] All right. So the big question is, does tomorrow look any better for the flyers? And the answer, sadly is no. We are expecting even more delays tomorrow, wind going to be a big issue. Back to you.
[Holmes:] All right. Rene Marsh, thanks so much there at Dulles Airport. I tell you, I've got to say, that's the first time in years I can say I'm glad I'm going to be working Thanksgiving and not flying.
[Gorani:] And not flying anywhere. I kind of feel the same way. Some overseas visitors to the U.S. might end up spending a little bit more if they're here already, a little more time stateside than they had planned.
[Holmes:] Yeah, let's have a look now at how the storm is throwing a wrench in international travel plans. Chad Myers, you've got more on that. I suppose a lot of the Atlanta flights go direct, but if you're going through New York or up in the northeast, whoa.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Today is OK. Only I only have six delays out of JFK. That's really the international departure out of the northeast. And there's only six delays and none of them are to international destinations. Great here. But Atlanta, international airport, as well, there's about 60 delays. Now these are arrival delays just coming in from Orlando, Wichita, Charlotte, Gulfport. These are just about 20-minute delays. And I can go down and down and just switch and down and down and down and down, and you'll see the word delay, delay, delay, delay, delay. This is a great app. It's called FlightBoard. It's 10 bucks. We all buy it here because you can actually see what the flight looks like at almost any airport. I can click here and I can see Washington, D.C., so here's the arrival delays out of Dulles and out of here's Nashville. This one has arrived, arrived, arrived. So this is kind of a good thing. If you're going to be flying and you want to see all the other airports and maybe look at all the other misery, you won't have to feel so by yourself, this is something else you can take a look at, too. Might help you get around. Something else I don't think people have been talking about very much is, I think you should be carrying your bags on the plane if you can. If you get diverted, canceled, moved, you can grab your bag and go to a different gate rather than they have to find your bag and move it someplace else. At least you'll have some clothes when you get to where you're going.
[Holmes:] Yeah. Yeah, cool tip, a very good idea. I hate checking bags in.
[Gorani:] You know how flexible the airlines are with the checked with cabin luggage.
[Holmes:] Yeah, exactly.
[Gorani:] All right, thanks very much, Chad Myers, reporting from the CNN Center, Rene Marsh at Dulles, Shannon Travis in Virginia. We'll continue to follow this story for you.
[Holmes:] Yeah, and for the latest on the weather and a look at the world's busiest airport, this is a terrific thing. Check out CNN.cominteractive. Have a look at ATL24 there.
[Gorani:] Plus, we'll bring you live weather updates throughout the day, right here on CNN. And, also, keep in mind you can look at the bottom of your screen for weather across the country. We'll have more on this throughout the day, as well. Coming up, "The People's Pope."
[Holmes:] Yeah, he is shaking up the Catholic Church, but will the church follow his lead? We will discuss when we come back.

[Cooper:] Breaking news, confirmation Donald Sterling will fight hard to keep the L.A. Clippers or that's what they are saying now. At the top of the program NBA notified him they are seeking to terminate his owner rights. Sterling has responded through his attorney. The attorney demanding the league give sterling three months to answer the charges against him. The NBA declined comment on that want demand. We'll follow this in the days ahead. Now for the first time, Ryan Lewis, one half of the hip hop duo of Macklemore & Lewis is speaking out about a personal challenge his family has been dealing with for decades. His mother is living with HIV. They have started the 30-30 Project to build health centers worldwide that will stand strong for 30 years. I spoke with Julie and Ryan Lewis about the project and what the diagnosis did to their family 30 years ago. Producer, musician, artist, these are the titles that describe Ryan Lewis, one half of the rap group, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis. Number one single, magazine covers, four Grammy Awards and sold out concerts. The future seems bright for the 26-year-old Lewis, but right now he's reviewing the description he holds dearest, grateful son.
[Ryan Lewis, Producer:] A huge part of what has made me who I am is something I haven't talked about.
[Cooper:] Until now, meet Julie Lewis. She's Ryan's mom. She's also HIV positive. You were infected with a blood transfusion.
[Julie Lewis:] Yes.
[Cooper:] By the time you found out you had three kids. [voice-over]: The birth of her first daughter in 1984 was a difficult one. Julie needed a blood transfusion. It wasn't until six years later and two more kids that she found out she was infected. [on camera]: What was the initial reaction? What was your initial diagnosis? What did the doctors tell you?
[Julie Lewis:] My initial reaction was actually I relieved it was only me that was infected because every person in my family needed to be tested. The first question they asked me do you have a living will and are your things in order. I'm 32 and I'm like, what 32-year-old has a living will. One that's going to die.
[Ryan Lewis:] We're about 5 minutes from the house that I grew up in as a kid.
[Cooper:] Ryan was only 6 years old when he learned about his mom's condition. [on camera]: Did you know, did you one at age 6?
[Ryan Lewis:] I was 6. I think I understood that my mom was sick, and that she could die and I think for a 6-year-old that's kind of fearful enough. I was the only one in my family that was young enough that I was kind oblivious to the stigma. I told the class. My teacher called my mom.
[Julie Lewis:] Ryan is sharing special information today. Life threatening diseases like HIVAIDS can be managed. What people need
[Cooper:] When Julie was first infected there wasn't a life-saving medication there is now. Thanks to that medicine she's still going strong 30 years later. That's ten times longer than doctors originally expected. To celebrate Ryan and his mother have launched the 30-30 project with the goal of building 30 medical centers worldwide that will sustain for 30 years to come. The first project is in Southeast Africa. For Ryan this project isn't just celebrating his mom, but also a chance to use his fame for good.
[Ryan Lewis:] For me personally to hop on board and be the amazing success and blessings in my life to pull off something like this, the 3030 Project is awesome.
[Cooper:] Through the 3030 Project Ryan and Julie have connected with old friends.
[Unidentified Male:] We want to ensure this project comes to life.
[Cooper:] As well as made new ones.
[Ryan Lewis:] I got a message two days ago somebody was diagnosed a week ago. Just wondering what to do. Would love to talk to your mom. I have no idea what to do.
[Julie Lewis:] I have responded to almost every one of those that we've gotten. Figure out where they came from.
[Cooper:] Julie couldn't be prouder of her son's achievement, but in the Lewis family Ryan isn't the only success story. You must be very proud of your mom.
[Ryan Lewis:] Absolutely.
[Cooper:] For more information and to donate go to 3030project.org. We have a link on our web site, ac360.com. Let's get caught up on some of the other stories we are following. Susan Hendricks has a 360 Bulletin Susan.
[Susan Hendricks, Cnn Correspondent:] A Mississippi man who received a pardon from former Governor Haley Barber pleaded guilty to manslaughter. It stems from a deadly shooting incident last year. Previously he was granted clemency from a conviction of selling marijuana. Malaysia's government wants the raw satellite data used in the search for Flight 370 to be released to the public. That would allow for independent analysis so it's asking Inmarsat to make it available. The plane disappeared on March 8th with 239 people on board. California Chrome will run in the Belmont Stakes next month and attempt to win horse racing's Triple Crown. New York racing officials lifted ban on horses wearing nasal breathing strips. He has already won the Kentucky derby and Preakness. See this selfie. It's gone viral. Here's why San Marcos, California firefighter snapped a photo of himself and other firefighters to show his wife and kids he's OK. The firefighters are part of the team battling wildfires in Southern California. You can really see how exhausted they are in the background.
[Cooper:] Their efforts are incredible, the kind of equipment they have to lug up there up these hills and mountains. It's incredible the work they do.
[Hendricks:] The selfie is telling his wife and three kids I'm OK. You see the hard work they are doing.
[Cooper:] Susan, thanks very much. Dallas morning show goes off the rail. "The Ridiculist" is next.

[Blitzer:] Kim Jong-Un did not show up at a key ceremony commemorating his father and grandfather. The young North Korean leader was noticeably absent, marking over a month since the ruler of the secretive country with an arsenal of nuclear weapons has been seen. CNN's Brian Todd has been tracking the story for all of us. Brian, what's the latest?
[Brian Todd, Cnn Correspondent:] Wolf, tonight, the anxiety over what's going on inside this regime is heightened. Kim Jong-Un is MIA and his absence from public view resonates all the way to Washington.
[Todd:] A U.S. intelligence official tells CNN it's concerning that Kim Jong-Un is out of sight. The North Korean leader didn't show up at the much-anticipated anniversary of the founding of the ruling Workers' Party. But he did send flowers.
[Gordon Chang, Daily Beast Contributor:] To skip an event which honors your father and your grandfather is a serious breach of protocol unless there's some really good reason. I think right now that Kim Jong-Un is suffering under not only a physical disability but a political one as well.
[Todd:] Is Kim's power eroding? Is he under threat from inside? Senior U.S. officials tell CNN there's no indication Kim has been completely sidelined or is in very bad health. But video showing him limping and recent reports of an ankle or leg injury to Kim only lead to more questions. [On Camera] Why not have him just sitting down behind a desk or behind something to project?
[Jonathan Pollack, Brookings Institution:] Unless he's suffering a severe injury of some sort, I don't think that there should be some intrinsic reason why they don't present him in some kind of a public mode, even if it can't show him walking and being very, very active.
[Todd:] South Korean officials say the regime appears to be operating normally and there are no signs of unusual military activity inside North Korea, often a signal of upheaval. South Korea's Defense minister also says they have reason to believe that Kim Jong-Un is staying at a home near an elite hospital in Pyongyang with his wife and his sister. His younger sister Kim Yo Jong is said to be gaining stature inside the regime. Most analysts downplay rumors that she's in charge while her brother's absent. But if Kim Jong-Un is keeping her close by, could he and his sister be threatened?
[Pollack:] It may not be so much an issue of her personal security and well-being, so much as it is he's got to have some kind of a reliable channel near him.
[Todd:] But adding to the tension, an exchange of gunfire across the border, when South Korean activists released these balloons filled with anti-North Korean literature, North Korean gunners fired at them. South Korea responded with its own machine gun rounds. There were no injuries in that incident. But it was the second exchange of fire between the two sides this week after a confrontation at sea. Now analysts say the longer Kim Jong-Un's public absence continues, the more worrisome it is for South Korea, Japan and the U.S. This is a dangerous regime with nuclear, chemical, biological weapons, long-range missiles. And right now, no one's sure who's running the place Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Let's not forget there are nearly 30,000 U.S. troops on that border between South and North Korea.
[Todd:] That's right.
[Blitzer:] Along the demilitarized zone.
[Todd:] So much potential danger.
[Blitzer:] As well. All right. Brian, thanks very much. Just ahead, police seized the taxi cab driven by the suspect Jesse Matthew as the search for the missing University of Virginia student Hannah Graham expands. We're going to bring you the latest.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] We're going to get more on our developing news now. We have been told by a source familiar with the situation that Donald Sterling's wife, Shelly, is in talks with the NBA to sell the Los Angeles Clippers but some candid comments made by another NBA owner really causing an uproar now. During an interview with "Inc." magazine, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban talked about his own bigotry, and that's what he says, everybody's bigoted, saying everyone has prejudices in one way or another. But some say his reference to a black teenager in a hoodie, that that really crossed the line. Cuban later apologized to the family of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, but stood by the context of his answers. Last night, he tweeted a link to a second interview he gave, one he calls, quote, "an interview on race that you probably haven't seen."
[Mark Cuban, Owner, Dallas Mavericks:] My uncle was the superintendant of the D.C. school districts in the '60s. I remember us sitting down and it being very clear to me that we way we think in this family that everybody is equal, that if you go back and look at the history of people who were being repressed, it's never been for a good reason and it's never acceptable. And of everything and anything that you possibly can do, treating anybody differently for race, religion or any other reason, is wrong. But that doesn't mean you're not going to have those thoughts from time to time. We all succumb to those thoughts. And you have to realize that we have thoughts that are wrong. And my point in saying this is I do. I will go to the other side of the street. But to me, that makes me a hypocrite, in some respects, by trying to hold somebody else to a different standard.
[Lemon:] Let's bring in cultural critic and writer there she is Michaela Angela Davis, lighting up your screen. That was a second interview that we had not seen. Why tweet this second interview out.
[Michaela Angela Davis, Cultural Critic & Writer:] I think he wanted to give context. All along I was encouraged by his clunky, ironic
[Lemon:] You were.
[Davis:] insensitive remarks because I think it was an honest attempt to have dialogue about the complexities of race and bigotry and oppression.
[Lemon:] I thought we were going to disagree.
[Davis:] You said it was ridiculous. I don't think the push back is ridiculous.
[Lemon:] No, I don't think the push back. But I think it's the controversy. Of course, you can push back.
[Davis:] Right.
[Lemon:] But I think the controversy is ridiculous because you can't have it both ways where we say we have to have this dialogue. We need to have this dialogue about race and we want someone who has no history of racism, has an honest dialogue. Then we say we want to shut them up. We shouldn't do that.
[Davis:] But, Don, we have to make a difference between what's honest critic and chatter. So there's a lot of chatter online about, oh, I'm tired of talking about race. We quiet that and have the patience and vision when this is an opening for discourse and I think that he has given us an opening for discourse. He was honest and willing to make mistakes. And I think that is really critical in moving this ball down the court.
[Lemon:] What great about him is he's also willing to take the criticism and respond to it.
[Davis:] Yeah. And also I had to go on Twitter and apologized because he apologized. We're still so raw and in so much pain about Trayvon Martin, that when we heard the hoodie reference, it gave a lot of pain. There are no scabs on our wounds. But he apologized and that's healthy.
[Lemon:] The hoodie thing and I was one of the first journalists to bring the Trayvon Martin to a national stage, one of. Everyone feels terribly for them. But every time someone mentions a conversation like a hoodie, is it always Trayvon Martin
[Davis:] When you say "a black boy in a hoodie," this was so painful and so real, so very much like it Emmitt Till, that is the iconography. It's so much in popular culture. You have to be aware of the new iconography around pain and racism. I think we need to find a little expand our narratives outside of the stereotypes that we have been given beyond the hoodie. It hurts too much right now. Too soon.
[Lemon:] Point taken. Too soon. Point taken. So when originally he said I'm a little bit worried about the slippery slope of taking someone's team away, then he got new information and changed his mind. He said, I got new information, I changed my mind on that. Then when you talk about the iconography, he didn't realize it in the initial comments. And then he realized it and apologized. That's a mature adult.
[Davis:] Yes. That's how we evolve.
[Lemon:] Because most people say
[Davis:] That's how we evolve. He said you have to control your bigotry. I think you have to learn and grow and be willing to recover. There's a madness in racism and bigotry. And he made a distinction between bigotry, racism and prejudice. What we saw with Donald Sterling was racist, not just bigotry and biased.
[Lemon:] Donald Sterling was saying I'm not racist. I'm not a racist person. He doesn't realize
[Davis:] And that's adding insult to ignorance.
[Lemon:] So what Mark Cuban is doing is opening himself up to the possibility that he does have biases, right?
[Davis:] Right.
[Lemon:] Then willing to learn. Most people would say I'm not a racist. I M tired of you talking about it, Don Lemon, I'm not a racist, blah, blah, blah, everything is not about racism.
[Davis:] I do think that most of us have some sort of vice. But those people who said they are tired of talking about race, I think our ancestors were tired of slavery. Our grandparents were tired of Jim Crow. Our parents were tired of the civil rights movement. I'm tired of black boys dying and black girls getting their faces blown off. If you're tired, get out of the way so people who are can do the greater work of being more equal.
[Lemon:] OK. So the question has been whether Mark Cuban is a racist. I don't think his comments were racist.
[Davis:] Prejudice and bigoted.
[Lemon:] I think they were prejudice. I don't know about
[Davis:] He was admitting prejudice, which I think is the most helpful thing that we can do. We have to stop being cowards about what we have been taught so that we can grow.
[Lemon:] I really don't think bigoted, either.
[Davis:] I think he said well, he called himself a bigot. There you go. But I think he was showing that we have biases and prejudices, which most people do on some level.
[Lemon:] Great talk. I thought we were going to disagree. We didn't.
[Davis:] No. We can We can do that on that women thing? That is about being cute.
[Lemon:] Oh!
[Davis:] Yes.
[Lemon:] That was another you didn't get what I was saying. You didn't understand.
[Davis:] But you had a panel of feminists. Are you crazy?
[Lemon:] No, I'm not. I'm not crazy. I was making their point. Here is what I was saying.
[Davis:] What were you saying?
[Lemon:] When you're in this business, this business is about television business, we were talking about Jill Abramson being fired at "The New York Times" and about equal pay. I don't believe that equal pay in every circumstance, I think experience counts. Part of this business is about looks. Part of it is about looks. If a let's just say someone with a haircut and a nice body comes out of college and is hired as a legal analyst they should not get paid what Sunny Hostin gets paid.
[Davis:] They will not get what Sunny's job.
[Lemon:] That's not true. That's not true.
[Davis:] Oh, Don.
[Lemon:] Have you watched television?
[Davis:] I am on there right now with a big 'ol afro.
[Lemon:] Thank you, Michaela.
[Michelle Knight, Kidnapping Victim:] You have absolutely no clue what she went through to say things and say that she was lying or she is doing this.
[Lemon:] Hear more of her heartbreaking response next.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln:] Tonight, new pictures of Caitlyn Jenner after her transition. Why some people hate what she is doing and are not afraid to say so. And, a man who says he made a huge mistake by having had sexual reassignment surgery. It all starts right now with the "Top of the Feed." A pastor in Arizona tells his congregation at Faithful Word Baptist Church, he hopes Caitlyn Jenner, quote, "Dies and goes to hell." Take a look.
[Pastor Steven Anderson, Pastor At Faithful Word Baptist Church:] You know, this week, this filthy, sodomite picture is everywhere and people are showing this transvestite or transgender or whatever this guy is, Bruce Jenner, has basically mutilated his body, apparently. And I mean, this filthy pervert is just like on all these magazine covers and just everywhere. Literally, hundreds of millions of people are being subjected to looking at a trans-freak. I have no love, no love, for this Bruce freak!
[Unidentified Male Speaker:] Yes! Amen!
[Pastor Anderson:] I hope he dies today! I hope he dies and goes to hell! He is disgusting. He is filthy. He is reprobate. But yet today, people think I am crazy. Yes, you are right. I am crazy, because I think that every man should keep his privy member in place. I am nuts. You say, "Well, you know, what do I pray for?" Pray for your needs and pray for Bruce Jenner to die and go to hell.
[Unidentified Crowd:] Amen!
[Pastor Anderson:] There is something to pray for. So, you got five nice things to pray for. Let us bow our heads and everyone have a prayer.
[Pinsky:] Joining us to discuss, Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywood.om; Emily Roberts, psychotherapist, author of "Express Yourself: A Teen Girl`s Guide To Speaking Up And Being Who You Are," and Michael Catherwood, my "Love Line" and KABC Radio co-host. All right, Emily, you seemed to have had a strong reaction to that guy. What are you thinking?
[Emily Roberts, Psychotherapist:] It is shocking that he is talking to so many people about this and using the words "Die." I mean this is so dangerous to be teaching people.
[Pinsky:] So, it could be ultimately inciting hate and violence?
[Roberts:] Yes.
[Vanessa Barnett, Social Commentator:] Absolutely. But, let us be clear. He got like one amen and a half of a snap. Like, nobody was really feeling his message. And, it is unfortunate, because as a Christian, when people speak like that, it looks bad on the entire community. But, we are supposed to be promoting love, love for everyone. Even if we do not agree with certain choices, it is about love. God is love.
[Pinsky:] No. No. So, using the bible to harm someone is misuse of the bible, right?
[Barnett:] Look, we are all sinners. We are not supposed to take the bible and beat everybody with it.
[Pinsky:] Nobody. Nobody. It is you, Vanessa.
[Barnett:] It is not supposed to beat everyone with it. You are not supposed to condemn someone to hell. Like, who the hell do you think you are?
[Pinsky:] And this is not the first time this pastor has been in the headlines for saying some wild stuff. In 2014, you said, quote, "If you execute the homos like god recommends, you would not have all the aids running rampant." And in 2009, quote, "I am going to pray that he [Obama], dies and goes to hell."
[Michael Catherwood, "love Line" An Kabc Radio Co-host:] Is not that against the law?
[Pinsky:] He is not saying he is going to kill the president, he just wishes the president would die.
[Catherwood:] In that last sermon, the one about Caitlyn Jenner, he kept saying it and we our kids, look around you, our children have to be exposed to this. I honestly I mean this sincerely, I would much rather my child is exposed to transgender than that kind of language, wishing death upon someone is really I mean that is a grotesque abuse of human interaction.
[Pinsky:] Vanessa, what I keep hearing from Christian sort of establishment is that it is a world view that is being sort of taken down by people like Caitlyn Jenner, but this guy is espousing violence and hatred. Is not that a world view that is coming apart?
[Barnett:] And, I do not think anyone in the community would agree with him either. I think what happens is that, we do have a certain code that we live by. We do live by the bible. We do believe with what the bible says. But also, you cannot believe one-half of the bible without leaving the other and God loves everyone. Everyone is God`s child. So, when you speak that way and want someone to die because of their choices. You can say, I do not agree with those choices. I would never recommend those choices. I do not understand those choices, but when you say you want someone to die and go to hell, that is not of God.
[Pinsky:] According to the church`s website, that pastor, quote, "Holds no college degree, but has well over 140 chapters of the bible memorized word for word."
[Catherwood:] Well, so what? I mean I memorized "Scarface" word for word. Does that make me capable of telling you about drug dealing?
[Pinsky:] In the audience, I have Aurora Persi Persichetti, sorry, Aurora. Transgender YouTuber. And, I am wondering, and your brother also a transgender, how do you guys react to this?
[Aurora Persichetti, Transgender Youtuber:] Well, it is hard where to even start, I do not even know.
[Sasha Persichetti, Aurora Persichetti`s Transgender Sibling/brother:] Well, for me, I was just talking to my mom, actually, about it this morning. I, personally, have gone through calling myself all of those things, and having that reaction
[Pinsky:] Meaning Meaning wanting to harm yourself?
[Sasha Persichetti:] Well, just, thinking I am messed up, I should not love myself. I am, you know, everything that everyone is saying bad things about the transgender community, I have said it to myself many times and had to find a way to kind of breakthrough that in order to love myself. So, it is kind of weird that I can find it so understandable that people would have that reaction, because I have been there, you know? And, I was able to get passed it, because loving myself is the only thing I can do, you know?
[Insky:] Aurora, can you relate to that?
[Aurora Persichetti:] Yes. Well, that video was like absolutely ridiculous. I do not even know why that needs to be, like, discussed, first of all, because that was like really?
[Pinsky:] Well, I will tell you why. I will tell you why. I keep hearing the transgender community feels attacked, feels like under, you know, being judged, and your brother just said the same thing, that he was taking it on himself. I mean not only were other people attacking him. He was attacking himself. I want to understand that. I do not experience that in my life, but where is that coming from, why do you feel that way? And, then I hear something like that, it starts to make sense to me. But, that is not the average experience in the world, is not it?
[Aurora Persichetti:] Well, I still, even though I am like, I am I say I am happy with myself. I look in the mirror, I am like, "You are beautiful," or I hear people say, "You are so confident." I am like here on T.V., I still have such a hard time loving myself. And, I think that is the case for everybody.
[Barnett:] Right.
[Aurora Persichetti:] And everybody is finding it hard
[Catherwood:] I also think it is important to expose and let this type of hatred be seen, because a lot of times, you know, the word transphobic or homophobic or racist gets thrown around. And, you know, in my opinion, a lot of times it is misguided. And, you need to show this kind of stuff to expose what real hatred is, what real narrow-minded thinking is. And, to see, like, what that that truly exists. That is not mispronouncing pronouns. That is not getting your language that is hatred.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Roberts:] The problem is, it is in a leadership role, and when someone is already feeling uncomfortable with the skin they are in, right? When a leader comes there and says some things so damaging and so hateful, it can really impact other people. Just like what you were saying earlier, it can reinforce something you are struggling with. And, that is so, so dangerous to somebody who is feeling really insecure with who they are in the moment.
[Pinsky:] Joining me from the audience, I have James White. He is a director of "Alpha & Omega Ministries." And, James, you do not agree with that guy, but you also do not agree with Caitlyn Jenner`s public, public coming out.
[James White, Director Of "alpha & Omega Ministries":] That is true. It is unfortunately that Steven Anderson is even getting the press time that he is getting, because that is why he does what he does. Believe me, he has preached more sermons against me, personally, than everybody else combined. So, unfortunately, in the Phoenix, we know a lot about this fellow. But unfortunately, that also distracts from the real discussion, and that is, when we are talking about what happened in regards to the Jenner situation, are we talking about something that is good for him and his family, and his grandchildren, or is there something that could have been better? Unfortunately, that distracts from it.
[Pinsky:] What could have been better?
[White:] Well, I am a grandfather like he is. And, I cannot imagine changing the relationship that I have with my wife, with my children, with my grandchildren in doing what he did. I wish he could have found someone who could have encouraged him to see that there was a purpose in the way that from a Christian world view A believing Christian world view, not the Steven Anderson world view that he was created by God for a purpose and that he could find that purpose if he but pursue it and get the help to o so from the believing community.
[Pinsky:] And, let me switch over to you, guys, who have been before and after transition. What if somebody had approached you like that, either of you? Would that made a difference? Would reinforced your negative feelings about yourself? How would that have been received?
[Sasha Persichetti:] I think like with anything, it just comes down to you finding your way. No one It might be the way people have told you, it is the best way, but until you come to it yourself, you are not going to go through it the same way. And for me, I have tried every different I have tried to be really feminine and do this. I have tried the to do the other way. You know, I have gone about a lot of ways that I thought was right or people told me to. And, until everything clicked for me in the path that I have now, have I felt confident enough to take it. So, I do not know what the case is for other people, but I know for myself, I had to come to it on my own.
[Aurora Persichetti:] And, the way that we are created, trans people, I was born with a female brain. You do a cat scan of us, we were born with the brain of a man, brain of a woman. So, we are not changing something, we are just making things right and externally becoming who we are inside.
[Pinsky:] Next up, Caitlyn Jenner is being honored at the ESPYs with the Arthur Ashe Courage award, and others are being thought of this, perhaps, more deserving. We will get into that, after this.

[Costello:] The rain continues to fall in Texas. Watches and warnings in place across most of the state. In the meantime, Bill Nye the Science Guy starting a storm of his own, posting this tweet chastising meteorologists for refusing to tell people that climate change plays a major role in the flooding across Texas. On Thursday the president added his voice warning Americans to be better prepared.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The best climate scientists in the world ar telling us that extreme weather events, like hurricanes, are likely to become more powerful. When you combine stronger storms with rising seas, that's a recipe for more devastating floods. Climate change didn't cause Hurricane Sandy but it might have made it stronger.
[Costello:] Even the pope is on board. Later this summer, Pope Francis is expected to send a letter to all of his bishops warning them of the effects of climate change on the poor. Bill Nye the Science Guy is here ready to fight the haters. And before we begin, I just want to say 97% of scientists say climate change is real and much of it is driven by man, so let's go on. You tweet about climate change after extreme weather events all the time, and each time it makes climate change deniers freak out. Is this your strategy?
[Bill Nye, "the Science Guy":] Well, I just want to remind voters that suppose you had somebody running for a congressional office in your district who insisted that there's no connection between cigarette smoking and cancer. Would you vote for that person? You might, but if this person were adamant, no, the scientists who studied cigarette smoking can't they they don't know if they were adamant, would you vote for them? And so, in the same way the connection between climate change and human activity is at least as strong as cigarettes and cancer. And so, I just want everybody to keep this in mind, that it's very reasonable that the floods in Texas, the strengthening storms, especially the president was in Florida, these things are a result of human activity making things worse. Now, it's very bad. I get you this that people have died in Texas, but I'm reminding you what else, this is a very expensive business. When you flood the fourth largest city in the United States, somebody is going to pay for it, and it's you and me. And so, the sooner we get to work on climate change, the better. And people say to me, Carol, Bill they say, Nye, what can I do about climate change? And what I say nowadays is talk about it.
[Costello:] Talk about it?
[Nye:] If we were talking about climate change the same way we talked about the stuff that goes on, let's say, in Ferguson, or Baltimore, if we were talking about it, those are very serious issues to be sure, but if we were talking about climate change in the same way, we would be doing something about it. I, you know, was born in the
[U.s. Costello:] Right.
[Nye:] I'm an engineer from the U.S., my engineering license is in the U.S. And so, I want the U.S. to lead the world, I don't want the U.S. to let to wait for other countries to start coming up with the new technologies, the new regulations that we're going to need.
[Costello:] Let me run this by you. Some of the ire, you know, that surround your tweet came from a conservative blogger, Michelle Malkin, her site "Twitchy," an article called you "alarmist" blaming every single weather event on manmade global warming, no matter what. Except that's not exactly what your tweet said. So, can you explain it?
[Nye:] Well, I just pointed out that in your business, the media business, no weather caster on any major network is allowed to say the phrase climate change, and so there's to me that's management. There's something going on where everybody is afraid of losing viewers and so they're reluctant to use the expression climate change. Meanwhile, the scientific consensus on this is overwhelming and the problems like the flooding in Texas and Oklahoma are very serious and expensive, so I want us to get to work on it, that's all. So, I just
[Cosstello:] The term has become politicized, right?
[Nye:] I guess I'm talking to media management. Let your weather casters say the phrase "climate change" and then we'll be talking about it, and then we'll doing something about it, and we'll be leading the world, and I hope leaving the world a little better for our succeeding generations.
[Costello:] Yes, but I think the term has become politicized. For example, Senator Ted Cruz who appeared at several weather-related pressers in Texas, he said, quote, "It's wrong to politicize the weather in this time of tragedy." So, I would like you to respond to that. [9:50:07]
[Nye:] Well, on the scientific community, we don't feel that we're politicizing it. Was it a political issue when people insisted that cigarettes cause cancer? Was that politics? I mean, sort of, in certain congressional districts the tobacco supports sort of, but in my view, on our side, the 97% of the world's climate scientists and me, we feel that the other side is politicizing it, not our side. The consensus on climate change is overwhelming, to deny it is remarkable and unique to the United States. So almost almost unique to the United States. There's a couple places in Britain where there's strong denyers. But the sooner we get to work on this the better. And by the way, who's the guy who is the strongest environmentalist? The person who just build his log cabin. Who is the most adamant anti-smoker? The person who just quit. Right? So it the deniers on the other side, change their minds, we let's all work together. We're in this together. There's only one planet. We're not going to go live someplace else. Let's get to work.
[Costello:] Couldn't agree more. Bill Nye the Science Guy. Thank you so much for joining me this morning. I appreciate it.
[Nye:] Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it. Thank you.
[Costello:] Absolutely. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, he may be the most powerful sports figure in the world and this morning we'll learn whether a breathtaking corruption scandal will cost him his job.

[Erin Burnett, Cnn:] Next breaking news, Ebola in America. Tonight, an infected American man being treated in Atlanta. Another with Ebola-like symptoms being tested in New York. Plus, an American who survived Ebola, one of the deadliest diseases in the world, is OUTFRONT for an exclusive interview. And Israel and Hamas agreed to another temporary truce. Is there any reason to believe that this one actually will last more than 5 minutes? Let's go OUTFRONT. Good evening, everyone. I'm Erin Burnett. Breaking news, Ebola scare in New York City. Doctors now awaiting the results of test on a man at a major Manhattan hospital to see if he has the deadly virus that can kill up to 90 percent of those it infects. The man was tested after being admitted to the hospital with high fever, gastrointestinal problems. He had recently traveled to a country in West Africa where Ebola has been detected. We have this fast-moving story covered from several angles tonight as it develops. Jason Carroll outside Mount Sinai Hospital here in New York. Dr. Sanjay Gupta outside Emory University Hospital. That's where another American with Ebola is being treated. And a third American with a confirmed case of Ebola will arrive there tomorrow. Our David McKenzie is the only television reporter in Sierra Leone where troops have been deployed to help contain the deadly outbreak and panic there. I want to begin, though, with Jason, with you here in New York City, what's the latest?
[Jason Carroll, Cnn National Correspondent:] Well, Erin, I think what is important to remember here is that doctors are really acting with an abundance of caution. After this patient came here, was able to walk in and was immediately isolated after doctor learned he had been to this area in west. Here is what is important to know about this. A New York City Health Department official tells CNN that after having conversations with CDC and checking in with doctors here, that spokesperson says that he believes that it is unlikely this this patient has Ebola. Also during press conference just within the past hour, chief medical officer here at Mt. Sinai, with the Mt. Sanai health system says that odds are that the patient does not have Ebola. But the fact that patient was in West Africa, came in with flu-like symptoms, doctors thought it would best to act. He was immediately isolated. In fact, he is still in isolation. Test are being run right now as we speak. It should take anywhere between a day and a day-and-half before we know these test results. Until the test results are in, this patient is being treated as we said with this abundance of caution. He is being isolated Erin.
[Burnett:] Jason, do they have a system in place. They say isolated, but were they really prepared?
[Carroll:] Absolutely without question. Doctors here, there is a unit here that where doctors are accustom to dealing with patient. They know protocol. They know how to treat patient. Even with rare, a possibility of Ebola, they know the symptoms. If he has a fever they do what they can do bring the fever down. If the patient becomes dehydrated, you do what you can to hydrate the patient. There are a number of doctors here, Erin, who are accustom to dealing with a patient just like this.
[Burnett:] All right, Jason Carol, thank you very much. I want to go now to Atlanta in Emory University. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is there. Sanjay, you've been watching here. The American doctor with Ebola, he is being treated there. He was brought, of course, from Africa back to the United States with Ebola. How is his condition tonight?
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] We hear things are looking good for him. This is the hospital where the special isolated unit it where Dr. Brantly is. He is the first American to set foot on American soil with Ebola. He had a conversation with his wife yesterday, Erin, 45 minutes. They had to do it through a glass wall for her protection. Through a glass wall and intercom system. It is somewhat culminating with an experimental serum flown to Liberia to try and save him.
[Gupta:] Last Thursday, Dr. Kent Brantly thought he was going to die. It was the 9th day since he came down sick with Ebola. His condition worsening by the minute. He called his wife to say good-bye. But he also knew just hours earlier, a secret highly experimental drug called ZMapp had been delivered to the clinic. The serum was delivered in sub-zero temperatures and with clear instructions allow the vials to thaw naturally before administering. It would be an agonizing eight-hour wait. When it arrived, Brantly told his colleague, Nancy Writebol, who was also sick she should have the first dose. But as Brantly's health deteriorated and he became more desperate, he asked for Writebol's now thawed medication. It was a risk. The treatment had been tried in monkeys and it seemed to work, but never before had it been tried in a human. Not even to test safety. Dr. Kent Brantly would be the first. While doctors don't often use this term, they describe what happened next as miraculous. Within an hour of receiving the medication, Dr. Brantley's condition seemed to make a dramatic turn around. His breathing improved. The rash over his trunk nearly faded away.
[Dr. Anthony Fauci, National Institute Of Health:] I do hope that it was as impressive as being described because if it is, that bodes very well for that particular product.
[Gupta:] By the next morning, Brantly was able to shower on his own before making the 6,000 mile transport to Atlanta. Saturday afternoon, another first. Watch as Brantly walks off the back of the ambulance. He became the first patient infected with the Ebola virus to ever set foot in the United States or even this part of the world. Tuesday, his colleague, Nancy Writebol, who also received the ZMapp serum will join Brantly at Emory University Hospital. Dr. Bruce Ribner leaves a team now charged with saving their lives. [on camera]: This is an air purifying system here. Makes it more comfortable to breathe in and also purifies the air. [voice-over]: He gave me an exclusive look at the protective suit he and his team will have to wear every time they enter the room it treat their new patients. Covered from head to toe, his own vital signs will need to be checked twice a day. [on camera]: We know the risk is small, but even smaller if the patient did not come here. If you don't have anything magical to provide, why take the risk at all?
[Unidentified Male:] I think you've been in that part of the world, and you know the level of care that can be delivered. And our feeling is that they deserve the best medical care they can get.
[Gupta:] The best medical care may not be just supportive therapy. It may lie in the experimental serum that likely saved both Brantly and Nancy's lives. I'll tell you, Erin, the science here is just really neat. They are talking about what is known as antibodies. Simply put, they inject animals with the anti-virus. They get the cells that are fighting the virus and that's what makes the medicine. That's what Dr. Brantly received. That is what caused such a dramatic improvement in his overall condition Erin.
[Burnett:] I know it is miraculous, untested, risky, but what about everyone else. Nearly a thousand have died. All of them Africans. Suddenly two white Americans get the disease and suddenly all of the stops get pulled out.
[Gupta:] Yes, I mean, keep in mind, this has never been done before. He was the first human. I think there is somehow proof of principle and the question becomes, is this something that could become made more available to the masses. This is an unusual situation, Erin. Typically you test things. Test for safety. Test for how effective it is. Then figure out if it can be distributed to the masses. This accelerates things. We know the company who made this secured more funding to do what you are saying. It doesn't happen overnight, but maybe this can help people there, as you say.
[Burnett:] Sanjay Gupta, thank you very much. Now the organization Nancy was working for in Liberia, Nancy is on route. Back in the United States tomorrow. The second person ever in history with Ebola to be brought on purpose to American soil and to our knowledge, first with Ebola to be on American soil. Bruce, how is she doing?
[Bruce Johnson, President, Sim Usa:] I just got a report that he is ready to go on the flight. She is not in the airplane. They will transport her from our mission campus there in Liberia. And get on the plane. And if all goes well, she will be on U.S. soil sometime tomorrow.
[Burnett:] And do you have any knowledge at this point, we were just looking that incredible footage of Dr. Brantly stepping out of that ambulance in the suit, with Ebola, after that serum appeared to so miraculously save his life. Do you know if it had a similar impact on Nancy?
[Johnson:] The reports from our medical doctors there on-site caring for her is that she's in a more weakened condition. However, today has been a good day. Matter of fact, her husband, David, told me that her appetite is returning and she asked for her favorite Liberian meal, potato soup, which is a great sign.
[Burnett:] That is a great sign. And what about the experimental serum. Do you have any sense, I know she had a chance to talk with er husband, was he able to tell you anything about we heard how miraculous with Dr. Brantly, an hour later, the rash disappeared from his torso. He miraculously improved. Do you know if it had a similar impact on her?
[Johnson:] Nancy received her second dose today. The indication is that it did not have quite the impact on Nancy as it did Kent. However, the slight improvements that our doctors there have been seeing have been encouraging. They indicated, they said, Nancy might not be in the condition where she is able to walk off of the transport vehicle like Kent did. So don't be surprised by that. This is a this disease really can weaken the body and Kent is much younger than Nancy. And so, we're just grateful and very cautiously optimistic about how she's doing right now.
[Burnett:] And Bruce, you know, everyone is rooting for her and wants her to get better. There is criticism that the United States would choose to bring people, no matter how tragic the situation, back home, that have a disease that can kill so many. What do you say to those who say, this just this risk isn't worth it?
[Johnson:] You know, I was talking with her husband David yesterday on the phone, and we were talking that Nancy and Kent, if through what they have gone through, as a result that a medicine can be found that will help eradicate Ebola, both of them would say, it is worth it. What we went through. And so, I don't have confirmation on this, but I would imagine that the doctors at Emory Hospital are saying, this is a wonderful opportunity for us to do research were find out how the body has reacted to this, and we're praying that they will be able to find and produce a medicine. Erin, this is something that I I think it's important for us to understand in the United States, in Liberia, there are 50 doctors for 4 million people. I just heard that segment about the person in New York going to the hospital earlier this week in Charlotte. We had a similar situation, someone went to our hospital. They said, I've been in Liberia, I'm not feeling well. That exactly what they should do. But this is the difference, we have a tremendous infrastructure in the out. So the likelihood and caution we are taking is exactly what we need to do. I appreciate your reporting and Dr. Gupta to help me and my fellow citizens in America know that this is something that because of our great infrastructure, we can really feel safe.
[Burnett:] All right, well, Bruce, thank you very much. And a very interesting point Bruce makes, which is if Nancy and Dr. Brantly had not gotten this disease, that serum would not have been tested and hundreds more would have died. So it is interesting to talk about the morality of this, just to think about that. Thank you so much, Bruce. OUTFRONT next, Sierra Leone is the country with the most cases of Ebola. Shut down right now to go in and out, but our David McKenzie is the only television reporter in the country right now. We good to him lift next. And exclusive interview with an American who survived the deadly Ebola virus. What happened? How did he get sick? How did he get it? And the breaking news in the Middle East tonight, Israel and Hamas say they will stop the violence for a brief period of time. Will it hold?

[Christi Paul, Cnn Anchor:] Bottom of the hour right now. Welcome back. I'm Christi Paul. I hope that Saturday morning has treated you well so far. I know it's early.
[Victor Blackwell, Cnn Anchor:] It's just the start. If it isn't going well, it will get better.
[Paul:] Yes.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. We start with five things you need to know for your new day this half hour. Number one, FEMA is sending 75 tanker trucks filled with fresh water to West Virginia. That's where as many as 300,000 people are being warned not to bathe, drink, wash anything in the tap water. All of this is coming after a chemical at a coal industry company seeped into the water supply. The tests show the chemical level is dropping but still no end in sight.
[Paul:] We could be getting closer, number two here, to the peak of the flu season. Ten more states reported widespread flu activity last week. This is according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Now, in some places, such as central Texas and the Bay Area, overflow tents have been set up to help flu patients. However, help officials say, so far, overall, this is a pretty typical flu season.
[Blackwell:] Yes, the middle of a neighborhood. High-speed chase here. Bloody shoot-out. This is southern California. This story is wild. It started when cops tried to pull over a driver for using a cell phone behind the wheel, but that driver raced off, took officers on an hour-long pursuit through crowded residential streets. Sirens screaming. You heard those, cops eventually caught up with the driver, fired almost two dozen rounds at the suspect. You saw a few of those bullets go through the windshield. KGTV reports the suspect is in critical condition at a hospital. A firearm and illegal drugs were also found at the scene. Now, officers say that driver pulled out a gun and that's why they started firing.
[Paul:] Number four, a trial is set for the hazing death two years ago of popular drum major at Florida A&M.; CNN affiliate WFTV reports lawyers for the six defendants said their client opted not to take pleas. They face manslaughter and hazing charges in the death of Robert Champion drew national attention. I know you remember this. It sidelined the Marching 100 for more than a year.
[Blackwell:] Number five, the number of people hit by last month's data breach at Target is 70 million. Not 40 million as initially reported. On Friday, the company announced in addition to credit and debit and PIN numbers, customers' names, addresses, phone numbers and emails were compromised. Target says it will offer one year free credit monitoring to its customers. The shoppers have three months to enroll in that program.
[Paul:] All right. Well, let's talk about what a lot of people are talking about this morning, as we get new insight on the investigation into the intentionally manufactured traffic jam on the world's busiest bridge. Now, this comes as Governor Chris Christie is in the spotlight. "The New Yorker" cover shows Christie playing games in traffic. But newly released documents do not prove Christie played a role in that scandal.
[Blackwell:] Yes, CNN crime and justice correspondent Joe Johns is combing through those thousands of documents Joe.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Crime And Justice Correspondent:] Christi and Victor, the paper trail so far shows that at least one other member of Governor Christie's senior staff who has not been named publicly was forwarded an e-mail detailing the extent of problems on the George Washington Bridge. However, we don't know whether the staffer read the document and there's no indication she was involved in any alleged political retribution. There's also a document that says the mayor of Fort Lee thought that the lane closure was simply done to make him look bad. And after the traffic mess cleared up, there was an active attempt to stone-wall media questions about what happened. [voice-over]: The nearly 2,000 pages of documents released by a committee of state lawmakers within the last few hours come as the committee continues to hone in on why traffic was snarled back in September. Chris Christie's former deputy chief of staff, whom he fired Thursday, may be the next person subpoenaed to testify in the widening probe. Sources tell CNN lawmakers want to question Bridget Kelly about her involvement in closing two lanes of traffic onto the George Washington Bridge. Kelly's e-mail, "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," was made public this week.
[David Wildstein, Former Port Authority Official:] On the advice of counsel, I assert my right to remain silent.
[Johns:] On Thursday, David Wildstein, the Port Authority official that Kelly sent that e-mail refused to answer state lawmakers' questions. He was held in contempt. The pair are accused of snarling traffic on the bridge as political retribution. Thursday, Christie said he was unaware of the plan to cause the traffic jam.
[Gov. Chris Christie , New Jersey:] I had no knowledge or involvement in this issue, in its planning or its execution, and I am stunned by the abject stupidity that was shown here. Regardless of what the facts ultimately uncover, this was handled in a callous and indifferent way.
[Johns:] So, how bad was the mess on the bridge? Twenty-eight hundred vehicle hours were lost during the traffic test according to a report. The documents paint a fuller picture of the chaos and outrage that occurred in the days after the traffic test. The Fort Lee police chief was quoted as saying it was a monumental failure. There's no indication from the documents we've seen so far that Governor Christie played a role Christi and Victor.
[Blackwell:] All right. Joe Johns, thank you.
[Paul:] And today, a family in North Carolina is going to lay to rest Keith Vidal. But if they're waiting for closure in his death, they're still waiting because that's not coming.
[Blackwell:] Yes, authorities are still investigating why a police detective shot the schizophrenic teenager. CNN's David Mattingly spoke with the lawyer defending the detectives David.
[David Mattingly, Cnn Correspondent:] Victor, Christi, funerals services are today for Keith Vidal, as the question looms, why did a police detective believe that lethal force was necessary. [voice-over]: Shortly after he shot and killed 18-year-old Keith Vidal, we could hear South Port Police Detective Byron Vassey on the radio saying he was defending himself.
[Byron Vassey, Police Detective:] I don't know if you've been advised or not but shots fired. I've had to defend myself against the subject.
[Mattingly:] Apparently suffering through a schizophrenic episode and holding only a screwdriver, Keith Vidal had been hit with stun guns and was on the floor of his home restrained by two officers when Detective Vassey shot him in the chest. Vassey's attorney now tells me why. [on camera]: You're telling me this young man was not subdued and that he was fighting back?
[James Payne, Byron Vassey's Attorney:] He was, yes, sir.
[Mattinly:] He was actually taking that screwdriver and stabbing one of the officers multiple times?
[Payne:] In the abdomen area, yes, sir.
[Mattingly:] But not causing any injury?
[Payne:] Apparently he had not. Again, apparently the officer had a bulletproof vest on.
[Mattingly:] Just 5'3" and maybe 100 pounds, the smiling teen in these pictures, according to Vassey's attorney, had become such a threat to the safety of the one officer that Vassey had no choice but to use deadly force. [on camera]: Did that officer yell for help or ask for someone to shoot this man?
[Payne:] No, sir, did not.
[Mattingly:] Then why did the detective feel like he needed to use deadly force at that moment?
[Payne:] Because the stabbing motions travelled to an exposed part of the down officer and he was not being subdued.
[Mattingly:] The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association agrees. The legal support group calls the situation dangerous, call Keith Vidal's screwdriver a deadly weapon. And says Detective Vassey used authorized law enforcement action. The aggressive and threatening picture described is in sharp contrast to the family's belief that Keith Vidal should not have died.
[Mark Wilsey, Shooting Victim's Brother:] Why would somebody shoot a 90-pound kid with two full-grown officers on top of him with two tasers deployed inside him? There's no reason.
[Mattingly:] Was that the only option here, to pull a firearm and pull the trigger?
[Payne:] At the instant that it occurred, again, having to step up into the shoes of the officer to make that judgment call, he had to make it in a split instant.
[Mattingly:] Was it the right decision?
[Payne:] Yes, sir.
[Mattingly:] The family released a statement Friday through their attorney, not responding to any of these latest accounts but saying that they will allow for time for the investigation to continue Victor, Christi.
[Paul:] All right. David Mattingly in Southport, North Carolina, thank you so much.
[Blackwell:] Well, in the shadow of last month's deadly bombings in Volgograd, Russia, Russia has now mounted a huge security initiative. What they're doing to protect athletes and spectators, next.

[Edward Snowden, Nsa Leaker:] I had access to, you know, the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA. The entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world. The locations of every station. We have what their missions are and so forth. But I sitting at my desk certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge, to even the president if I had a personal e-mail.
[Morgan:] Chilling words from the NSA leaker, Edward Snowden. Out with himself in a "Guardian" newspaper interview as the source of leaks that unleashed a storm of controversy in the country and around the world. He revealed massive NSA surveillance program, to collect phone record and intimate data on a scale that many people never imagined. Snowden is a former CIA employee and also worked for the computer consulting firm, Booz Allen Hamilton. Well, joining me now is James Woolsey. He's a former director of Central Intelligence and a former vice president and officer of Booz Allen Hamilton. He's currently chairman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy. Welcome to you, Ambassador. What is your reaction to Edward Snowden's decision to leak this information?
[Amb. R. James Woolsey, Former Director Of Central Intelligence:] I think Mr. Snowden had no right to arrogate to himself the right to decide where to strike the balance between liberty and security. President Obama pointed out a couple of days ago that this balance has to be struck and that the court system, particularly the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court, the executive branch, the president, the attorney general, and the Congress, with the reviews by the congressional committees involved, every few months. This has been a very precisely crafted system for making the decision about where to strike the balance between liberty and security. And Snowden arrogated that entire decision to himself. He decided that it was him who got to strike that balance, not the elected representatives that we vote for, not the president, not the courts. And I think for arrogance and improper behavior, the arrogating to yourself that kind of power when you're supposed to be taking care of your duties in the intelligence community is stunningly wrong and since he's confessed to the crime, I hope that when we are able to take him into custody, he's locked up for the rest of his life.
[Morgan:] What do you believe the consequences of his decision could be at their worst?
[Woolsey:] Well, the problem is, that once you start explaining to al Qaeda and Hezbollah how you are operating, they can avoid what you're doing, and you can't explain to the American people without explaining to Hezbollah and al Qaeda. Once you're sitting there blabbing about how these decisions are made, you have decided you're going to tell our enemies those who want to kill us, those who want to fly airplanes into buildings and all the rest how this all works. And you've decided that yourself if you're Snowden. So he could well be responsible in the future for many, many deaths. We don't know and we may never know for sure, because one doesn't know what goes into individual decisions by the terrorists. But Snowden has made it easier for them to kill Americans and others.
[Morgan:] Isn't the reality, that if you're in al Qaeda, of course, you imagine that the American intelligence agencies are probably trying to check your e-mail or your Internet traffic or your cell phones? I mean, I've watched dramas on TV for years, where this exact thing is done. It's not a trade secret. What is concerning many Americans is the sheer quantity of private data that appears to be being amassed by the government without anyone outside of a few select people in the judiciary, the executive, and Congress, knowing about it, and it may be a symptom of modern times. But you know, I feel uncomfortable that people I don't know know everything about my online activity. Why should they?
[Woolsey:] Well, they don't know everything about your online activity, because it's illegal
[Morgan:] But they could, right?
[Woolsey:] It's illegal for them to take some steps with respect to it such as to get into the substance of the of the intercept. What this is as far as Americans are concerned which is called metadata, it's whose calling whom and so forth. If you and I talk on the phone to one another every day, and then one day I call Ayman Zawahiri, al Qaeda in Pakistan, yes, somebody is going to say, you know, I wonder what has been going on between Woolsey and Piers, let's have a look at that. But routinely and systematically, there's no looking into the substance of your calls or mine. It doesn't work that way.
[Morgan:] Ambassador, just hold that for one moment. I want to bring in a man who says that Edward Snowden has done, and I quote, "a great service" to the American people by exposing the truth about what our government is doing in secret. Ron Paul is a former congressman and former presidential candidate. He's now chairman of the Campaign for Liberty. Ron Paul, thank you for joining me. You are a supporter of Edward Snowden and his actions, why?
[Ron Paul, Former U.s. Congressman:] Well, from what I hear and what he's done, I mean, he's done a great service because he's telling the truth and this is what we are starved for. The American people are starved for the truth. And when you have a dictatorship or an authoritarian government, truth becomes treasonous, and this is what they do. If you are a whistleblower or if you're trying to tell the American people that our country is destroying our rule of law and destroying our Constitution, they say they turn it on and say, you're committing treason. So this is this is a big problem. And to expect any changes without an announcement like this, things keep getting worse. They've gotten worse steadily for the past 10 years, so essentially there is no Fourth Amendment anymore. And for somebody to tell the American people the truth is a heroic effort, and he knows that it's very risky, he knows he's committing, you know, civil disobedience and he knows that he could get punished, but he believes very sincerely, I'm sure, I've never met the man. But he believes very seriously that what our government is doing to us is so serious that somebody has to speak out. And I think the large majority of the American people are sick and tired of hearing how many people are having surveillance on them whether it's their phones, their Internet, and e-mail and everything else. As a matter of fact, I think I think the president ought to send him a thank you letter because the president ran on transparency, we're getting a lot of transparency now so finally we're getting the president to fulfill his promise about transparency. So that's pretty exciting for me because I believe in transparency. But we have our government we have our government turned on its head. The government is supposed to be open and we're supposed to have our privacy, but we don't have any privacy and the government's totally secret. And then they combine this with what they do with the IRS? Maybe that's how they line up their targets in the IRS, they you know, they check on our phone calls and find out what kind of business deals we're doing.
[Morgan:] Well, let me
[Paul:] So we can audit them and do all these kinds of things. It's just totally out of control.
[Morgan:] It may be, but the reality is that a new Pew Research Center tracking millions of Americans June 6th and the 9th said the following, is it acceptable for the NSA to track calls of millions of Americans to investigate terrorism? Acceptable 56 percent, not acceptable 41 percent. So the significant majority of Americans appear to be in favor of this. Going back to you, Ambassador Woolsey, if I may, I just want to read the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, to remind people. "The right of the people to be secure in their person's houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrant shall issue. But upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized." Now I just don't see how you can say that what is going on here in complete secrecy from 99 percent of the people it's being done to, lives up to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It's palpably a breach, isn't it?
[Woolsey:] Well, it depends on whether or not you want to preserve your country's ability to operate in a world of terrorism in which a lot of terrorist are very technically sophisticated.
[Morgan:] Well, yes, but that
[Woolsey:] If you want to defend the country, you're going to have to defend it.
[Morgan:] Right. Right. I understand that. And there's been a lot of sympathy for that from many Americans. But that wasn't the question. The question is where
[Woolsey:] It is the question.
[Morgan:] Well, it's not
[Woolsey:] It is the question. The balance that balance between security and liberty is the question.
[Morgan:] I understand it. I understand that is your answer, but the question I was putting to you was whether what is going on given the absolute secrecy with which it has been going on, until Edward Snowden revealed this, whether it is actually allowable under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Where is the where is probable cause
[Woolsey:] Given the fact
[Morgan:] 99.9 percent of the information being effectively seized here?
[Woolsey:] Given the fact that this system was put together by the people's elected representatives that it's been upheld by the courts. That it's monitored by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court. That it's monitored by attorney general and officials in the executive branch every 90 days. It was one of these 90-day reports that was leaked. And that it is systematically supported by people of like the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Feinstein. I think you would have to say that the government on this subject has done a reasonable job of balancing these two very important interests. If you try to look at liberty without considering security at all, you're putting on blinders. You it really you can't answer the question.
[Morgan:] OK.
[Woolsey:] Just as you couldn't answer it if you just talked about security and not about liberty. They both have to be considered and you apparently Piers, not to want to consider security?
[Morgan:] No, no, I absolutely do want to consider it. I was putting a question to you because I was intrigued by what your answer would be because I've been fighting, as you're probably aware, a lengthy gun control campaign where the absolute letter of the Second Amendment is deemed sacrosanct to so many Americans. And yet it seems to me that many of the same Americans that feel so strongly about the wording of that amendment are quite happy for their rights under the Fourth Amendment to be written over. And that's what I find an interesting contradiction.
[Woolsey:] Well
[Morgan:] But let me just go to Ron Paul I'm going to get to Ron Paul to put a different question to him. Ron Paul, if you had been president, which you could have been, you ran for office this time, and you could have won. If you had been president, are you in all seriousness telling me that you would have stopped all of this tracking of data in the way that the NSA has been doing it?
[Paul:] An awful lot of it, but it wouldn't be stopped. You would still have your you would you would still have your transparency. I mean, you'd still have your intelligence gathering, but it would be done under the law. You would have probable cause and you would have courts. This idea that you can go to the FISA court and get a warrant, that's ridiculous. That's like the monitoring of the president saying, oh, well, we're going to pick and choose who we're going to assassinate, American citizen or not. But we have monitors, we're going to study this. That's the rule of law? What he's doing is repealing the Magna Carta. You can't just do this kind of thing. And this one is only repealing the principles of liberty, but it's destroying the Constitution. So my question should be, to all of you who defend this nonsense is, what should the penalty be for the people who destroy the Constitution? They're always worrying about how they're going to destroy the American citizens who tell the truth to let us know what's going on. But we ask the question, what is the penalty for the people who deliberately destroy the Constitution and rationalize and say, we have to do it for security. Well, you know what Franklin said about that, you end up losing you lose your security and you lose your freedoms, too. So I think we've embarked on a very, very dangerous course. The American people are with us on this, it's totally out of control, and I would say if you're if you're confused about what we should do, just read the Constitution. What's wrong with that?
[Morgan:] Well, I just
[Paul:] You know, that's if you don't like it, get people get people to get people to repeal it and change the Constitution, but not just to deny it. I mean, we go to war without a declaration. We totally ignore the Constitution. That is what our problem is today. We have no rule of law, and people say, well, just let secret courts do this, and the governments to know everything. And the American people are to have no privacy. I mean you're that reflects an intimidation, people are insecure, and think that
[Morgan:] OK.
[Paul:] we need more authoritarianism. You're justifying dictatorship, is what you're doing.
[Morgan:] Ron Paul, I have to I have to leave you there in full flow. It's a fascinating debate. I want to thank you, Ron Paul and Ambassador Woolsey both, for joining me. It's a it's a very contentious issue. The American public as the polls just are split. Before we go to the break, quick show of hands, who here thinks of what Edward Snowden, the leaker, did was right? A few hands. And who thinks absolutely what he did was wrong? Just by my quick look around, I'd say slightly in favor of those who think what he did was wrong, which would be in keeping with the poll results earlier. But it's a great debate. When we come back, I'm going to talk to people or two men actually who know what may be going on behind closed doors at the White House tonight. Plus whistleblower

[Lemon:] Want to get you straight to that breaking news. Now we're following it, it's out of Kentucky. Here are the pictures, look at that. My goodness. That's courtesy of our affiliate WAV or Wave Television. Firefighters battling a massive four-alarm blaze. It's at the GE Appliance, I should say the GM. The GE appliance, or GM appliance parked in Louisville, Let me double check that. GE appliance park in Louisville, Kentucky. GE, General Electric. Officials say the building has been evacuated not clear what the cost of that blaze is right now. So far no reports of interests but again a furlong fire reported at the GE appliance parked, it is in Louisville, Kentucky. The calls came in at 7:00 Eastern Time. It's been going for just two hours now. The size of that building. We'll continue to take a look at. But again, no reports of anyone trapped, nobody any injuries or anything right now. But man, it is up in flames and up in smoke. Look at that, the size of that building. It's hard to believe. No one was hurt, even now. We'll keep an eye on it. We're going the move on and talk about America's closest ally in the Middle East. Israel railing against the breakthrough in the U.S.-led nuclear talks with Iran. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu says a deal with this framework would threaten his country's very survival and, in fact, this morning he summoned Israeli's top security officials to a meeting. Here's the terms hailed by President Obama as historic. The terms include this: Iran agrees to eliminate two thirds of its centrifuges, reducing its number to 6,000. It will also reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium, critical to making weapons and in exchange, the U.S. and European union will lift the sanction that is have crippled the country's economy. Secretary of State Kerry who handled the negotiations bristles at the criticism.
[Elise Labott, Cnn Global Affairs Correspondent:] When this is over in 15 years, Iran can, you know, pretty much do whatever it wants. So, this is a real
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] No, it can't.
[Labott:] This is a real political gamble, Mr. Secretary, that the regime is going to be different in 15 years.
[Kerry:] No. It is not a gamble on the regime being different. It is not a gamble. It is based on proof. There's no element of trusting here.
[Labott:] You don't trust the Iranians?
[Kerry:] That's not the issue. In any negotiation about arms you can't do it on words. You do it on actions and verifiability.
[Lemon:] CNN's Oren Liebermann is here to talk about the latest. Oren, President Barack Obama calls it historic. Israeli officials call it a historic mistake. How damaging is this to the U.S.Israeli relations?
[Mark Regev, Israeli Government Spokesman:] It's only in the last two, three years that the United States ratcheted up the sanctions and the Iranians have actually been really feeling the pressure. And here we have to give, you think, a word of thanks to the administration and Congress for putting those very tough sanctions in place. Now, we think those sanctions should stay in place until the Iranians actually take substantive steps to dismantle their nuclear program. Ultimately, if you take that away, what motivation do the Iranians have for making real concessions?
[Liebermann:] And that's been one of Netanyahu's big points. He believes the lifting of sanctions, the relief of sanctions, should be directly linked to Iran pulling back its aggression in the region and now, we're seeing a back and forth between Netanyahu and Kerry. We saw it between Netanyahu and Obama. Now, this is Kerry perhaps responding although not directly to Netanyahu, directly addressing Netanyahu's concerns in a "Boston Globe" op-ed from this morning. Here's what Kerry has to say, "I know that some will suggest the parameters are not sufficient but the burden will be on them to prescribe a specific and plausible alternative to a better outcome. The fact is we have reached an important milestone in our year's long effort to ensure that Iran's nuclear program is and remains wholly peaceful." So, Don, some very strong words here going back and forth between the White House and Obama's administration and the Netanyahu administration here in Israel.
[Lemon:] All right. Oren, thanks. Plenty of critics of this plan, plenty of them here in the United States as well, from both parties really. But the howling the loudest and most often are among the first. Some Republicans likely to make the presidential bid. Here they are. Let's take off a handful for you. Jeb Bush calls it flawed while Marco Rubio dismisses the efforts as farcical. Rick Perry holds back just a little bit saying he's wary. Ted Cruz calls it a bad deal. Lindsey Graham says the consequences of a bad deal would be unimaginable. Presumptive Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton was also quick to weigh in on this. Here's what she says, "There is much to do and much more to say in the months ahead. But for now, diplomacy deserves a chance to succeed." We'll continue to follow. Still to come, former roommates and self-proclaimed members of the Islamic State. Why authorities say two New York women wanted to carry out an attack that would make history. CNN's Alexandra Field has more.
[Alexandra Field, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, Don. They had no plans to travel overseas, every intention of carrying out that attack here at home. We'll talk about the plot and who inspired them, coming right up.

[Ashleigh Banfield, Cnn:] 911 tapes released in the affluenza drunk driving case. The crash that left four people dead and most everybody wondering, since when did being rich become a legal defense. Plus, we've now learned that a missing American in Iran may in fact have been working for the CIA. And the crack-smoking mayor of Toronto is now facing a lawsuit after a reporter says Rob Ford suggested that that reporter in fact was a pedophile and said so on TV. Hi, everybody. I'm Ashleigh Banfield. It's Friday, December 13th. Welcome to LEGAL VIEW. And I want to begin with this, this morning. The injustice files, something pretty shocking and some brand-new details on what was already pretty surprising, that Texas teenage DUI case. We now have some court notes and 911 calls that show, even after plowing down four people, that young man on your screen, Ethan Couch, was confident that he would get away with it, that his parents would rescue him from the latest mess that he found himself in. And, ultimately, that's almost exactly what happened. He received no prison time for his actions, again, four people dead, drunk driving, instead, blaming his behavior on something an expert called "affluenza" in the courtroom, maybe better known as "spoiled brat syndrome." Randi Kaye has the details.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn Investigative Correspondent:] It's two minutes till midnight on June 15th when a terrified teenager calls 911.
[Caller:] We need some ambulances. It's bad. We flipped and oh god. 911
[Dispatcher:] OK, were you involved?
[Caller:] I was in the truck.
[Kaye:] The truck was being driven by 16-year-old Ethan Couch, and the 911 caller is his friend, one of seven friends in the pickup. The group had been drinking heavily before Couch plowed down four people on the side of the road. Multiple 911 calls capture the chaos. 911
[Dispatcher:] Listen to me. Is it just one vehicle?
[Caller:] No, ma'am. There's four or five. There's another child in the ditch. They're gone! 911
[Dispatcher:] And how many people need EMS?
[Caller:] Ma'am, I'm telling you, it's dark. There's four or five kids. There's kids laying in ditches and street. Come with me. Come here. Come here. Come here. Oh, my god. Come here. I need you to sit here and I need you guys to pray, OK?
[Kaye:] In the end, four people dead and two of Couch's friends thrown from the bed of the pickup, including Sergio Molina, who is now paralyzed and had been in a coma. His parents, we've learned, are suing Ethan Couch, Couch's parents and the family business, Cleburne Metal Works, which owned the Ford F-350 pickup truck Couch was driving. Sergio Molina's parents are seeking as much as $20 million to care for their son in the future. The complaint points out Couch had a history of arrests, including one where he pleaded no contest to charges of possessing and drinking alcohol. That court date was just three months before the fatal wreck. We got our hands on notes taken during Couch's manslaughter trial. They belong to the attorney for Eric Boyles who lost his wife and daughter in the crash. According to that attorney, witnesses testify that Ethan Couch was caught fleeing on foot about a quarter mile from the accident scene. He could be heard at the scene, the attorney's notes say, yelling to one of his passengers, quote, "I'm Ethan Couch. I'll get you out of this." But in the end with four people dead, all Ethan Couch got for his actions was a slap on the wrist, Judge Jean Boyd sending him to alcohol rehab with 10 years probation.
[Banfield:] That was Randi Kaye reporting for us. And, so, what that judge essentially ruled is this. It is not this poor kids' fault if his parents spoiled him and failed to teach him right from wrong. Let that settle for a minute. Our Anderson Cooper spoke to the psychologist who in court said that Ethan couch has "affluenza," and it is quite the conversation. Have a listen.
[G. Dick Miller, Clinical Psychologist:] I'm not interested in how much punishment he gets. I'm interested in taking away things that are important to him and will he placing them with things in his best interest.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor, "ac360":] I know the kid won't have his Xbox, but I'd love to go to a facility for a year and do meditation and yoga and learn cooking skills and one-on-one nutritional counseling and ride horses. You know, that sounds great. To the man who has lost his wife and daughter and sees this young man who killed who has ruined his life, has killed his wife, has killed daughter, has killed two other people, as well, ruined the lives of a number of other people, as well, what consequence what consequence is there really for him killing four people?
[Miller:] For 10 years, the judge will have the discretion at any time she chooses to send this kid to the penitentiary. If you have a lot of money, you get people with more skills. You get a better singer. We have you tonight. I'm sure that you make more than the local guy here. That's just the way the world works. And there's some good things about that, some not so good things. I do believe we used to call these people "spoiled brats." I wish I hadn't used that term. Everyone seems to have hooked onto it. I think we all suffer from "affluenza," not all of us, about 80 percent. We have a system of justice where we don't take the people that have been offended and have them string him up or lynch him or whatever you want to choose to do, whatever they choose, because it sounds like you they want some revenge.
[Cooper:] They want justice.
[Miller:] And we take people who have experience and we sometimes do a jury, sometimes a judge, and that's the way our system works. And it worked this time, I think.
[Banfield:] Some people think it didn't work this time. Others disagree. And for the LEGAL VIEW, just right to the core of what the law says, let's bring in HLN legal analyst Joey Jackson and criminal defense attorney Heather Hansen. And I just want to start with a little background, you two, on the district on the judge, the district judge, Jean Boyd, juvenile district judge. Our Randi Kaye also found out that in 2012 this same judge sent an African-American kid to juvenile detention for 10 years, that boy admitting to punching a man who fell and hit his head and died. So, should I start thinking that race is a component here? And since there's an obvious race component between you and me, I'm going to let you answer that.
[Joey Jackson, Hln Legal Analyst:] Ashleigh, it's problematic, because when we look at and think about justice, what we think about is fairness. We think about equality. We think about a system that builds public confidence because when justice is meted out, it's equal as to all. And so when you look at the sentence that we're speaking about here that was meted out with the unfortunate excuse that, you know what, he has the money to do it and he's treated differently than the African- American male who was 14-years-old, by the way, who the judge sentenced to 10 years for killing one person, it doesn't instill confidence. It doesn't instill trust. It doesn't instill what we need to do.
[Banfield:] Can I get nitty-gritty on that one?
[Jackson:] Absolutely.
[Banfield:] And I'm going to full disclosure, I don't know anything about that case that Randi unearthed. I don't know anything. But just based on the fact alone that a kid intentionally reaches out and drills someone and that horrible result is death, is that different than partying, getting behind the wheel, never intending to kill someone, and you kill four?
[Jackson:] I think it's worse.
[Heather Hansen, Criminal Defense Attorney:] Yeah, there are differences in the crimes, but here the differences in the punishment are just too extreme.
[Banfield:] They're too extreme.
[Hansen:] If they had stepped in and used this defense at any of his other violations, any of his other criminal interactions with the law, then perhaps it would be appropriate to send him to this place and this never would have happened. But to wait until he's killed four people and then send him away to a country club just is not sitting well with the public.
[Jackson:] It's problematic.
[Banfield:] So, one of the things that we always hear is that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
[Jackson:] Right.
[Banfield:] And yet it seems to me that that's exactly what was argued here. This child was ignorant of right from wrong because his parents didn't teach him and he's getting a pass. How does that work?
[Jackson:] It works in a horrific way. And when you look at the further facts of case with respect to drinking before that, his prior background, the.24 of alcohol, the plowing over and killing of four people.
[Banfield:] Stealing the beer beforehand
[Jackson:] Absolutely.
[Banfield:] Having a young, semi-naked 14-year-old girl in his back seat prior to this as well.
[Jackson:] But if you look at it, and I understand the tenets of the justice system. We want to talk about rehabilitation. BANFIELD; Right. We want to talk about deterrence, right?
[Banfield:] I'm good with all that rehabilitation business, but the deterrence and punishment seem to be completely missing here.
[Jackson:] It's 100 percent disproportionate, and it's troubling and it's just a problem, I think, for everyone.
[Banfield:] Heather, really quickly, weigh in on this, and it's something that's bothering a lot of people. Is there any potential for a move to reconsider? Meaning, can the judge bring it back herself because of the public scrutiny on this case? Can anybody bring up a move to reconsider the sentence?
[Hansen:] The prosecution could. And we saw that in that rape case in Montana that
[Banfield:] Yeah, but there was a legal problem in that case. There was no legal problem in that case. What can we do?
[Hansen:] I don't think that it's going to happen, Ashleigh. And I think, you know, when I look at this case, the thing that strikes me is the possibility for a civil suit here against the parents when it's been admitted in court
[Banfield:] Already there.
[Hansen:] But the numbers are going to be huge. If they're paying half a million dollars a year for this country club
[Banfield:] So what?
[Hansen:] Money cannot bring things
[Banfield:] That's a lot of money for you and me. Apparently it's not a lot of money for these folks, if that was just so quickly agreed upon. And that civil suit, already there. I'm still I'm sorry. Civil won't cover it.
[Jackson:] No, it won't.
[Banfield:] Civil won't cover it. Four people are dead, innocent wonderful people.
[Jackson:] Judges sit in judgment, and I think they have to have the judgment to do, I think, what's right, what's proper and what's equal for everyone.
[Banfield:] Don't they earn, discretion, Joey? Don't you earn the right to judicial discretion
[Jackson:] Well, you earn the right to sit on a bench, no matter what that bench is. And we can only hope that the people who do that are people who take into act the effective communities and victims and their families.
[Hansen:] There's a petition to remove her, because she's not running for re-election, so there should be some consequences for people's actions.
[Banfield:] All around.
[Jackson:] Absolutely.
[Banfield:] Consider it, the move to reconsider. Maybe you can just bring it yourself, ma'am. Heather, Joey, thank you for that. Stay tuned. Other stories for you, as well. And the family of a former FBI agent missing in Iran says it is time for the government to quote, "step up." Next, the new revelations about what that man was actually do in Iran before he was nabbed.

[Crowley:] It's April but the White House and lawmakers on Capitol Hill are in a November state of mind. Earlier I spoke with the two men responsible for getting members of their party elected. Congressman Steve Israel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Congressman Greg Walden, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. I asked Congressman Israel about the near unanimous belief that Democrats are going to take a hit in November.
[Israel:] I'm a baseball fan. You never predict the ninth inning in the first inning. And as a Mets fan, you don't predict the ninth inning in the ninth inning. Things change.
[Crowley:] I want to put up this is a "CBS News" poll, are you excited about voting in November? Republicans 70 percent of Republicans said they're excited. 58 percent of Democrats said they were excited. Independents, 47 percent.
[Israel:] First, on that poll, the two most important words were in November. It's not November. We're the Democratic National Campaign Committee, not the climate committee. We don't worry about the climate. We build out campaigns. There is unquestionably going to be an issue of voter drop-off, there always is and we're using every tool in our toolbox, accelerating our investments in the field, putting people on the ground, 33 districts covered with staff in order to deal with the drop-off. And secondly, it is true that the president's numbers may not be where the president wants to be wants them to be but we're running against a Republican Congress whose job approval is a fraction of that. There's a new history being written in this midterm, the least popular Republican Congress in history.
[Crowley:] Which takes it right off of my statistics and to you, Congressman Walden, and that is the Republican brand is certainly at one of its lowest points ever if not the lowest point. You have interparty warfare going on.
[Walden:] Yes. And our job is to elect Republicans to office and make sure that there's a check and balance on the Barack Obama administration in Washington. And we're focused on jobs and the economy, trying to grow both. We're focused on energy development and energy export. We're focused on the things that really when you get home people care about, solving problems, trying to grow the economy. Because the economy under President Obama has not been that stellar certainly we had one of the worse recessions but one of the slowest recoveries out of it. And people are really concerned about the future of the country.
[Crowley:] Yes. But people don't much like Republicans these days.
[Walden:] Well you know, remember Congress is controlled also in the Senate by the Democrats. So when you talk about Congress approval ratings, remember you have got Harry Reid and the Democrats running the Senate. And the bills that we've passed in the House some of which by the way been on they're pretty big bipartisan margins to create jobs in American and to develop energy in America languish in the Senate. And that's unfortunate because we should work together to solve these problems, to grow jobs in America, and actually deal with the things people at home care about. They don't care as much about one party's image or another. They care about the price of gasoline going in the van when they're taking the kids to soccer and ballet. They care about whether their hours going to be cut back as they are being cut back under Obamacare as employers go from 40 hours to 30 hours. And that really hurts and hurts people
[Israel:] I have to say the Senate passed unemployment insurance extension. Republicans House members will not pass it. The Senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill. Republican House members will not pass.
[Crowley:] I have to say that the Republicans will also say, well here is what we passed on the House and it dies on the Senate. So it sort of boils down to
[Walden:] jobs and the economy really matter to people at home. That's what they care most about.
[Israel:] 200,000 jobs gained last month, 800,000 jobs lost in the last month
[Walden:] Fewer people working in America since the 1970's, more people in poverty, more people suffering.
[Crowley:] I don't think you guys are going to agree on this but let me
[Walden:] Our job together should be, how do we raise people out of poverty, how do we create better paying jobs in America.
[Crowley:] Let me ask you about a couple specific issues. The first is that, as you may know, Attorney General Holder went off script at an event this week where he said that he believes that the treatment he has been he has received in the House, particularly during a hearing this week would not have happened if he were not African-American. That he believes it's racism. He believes the opposition to the president has been based on racism. And I wanted to play you something that Nancy Pelosi said when she was asked about this.
[Rep. Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader:] I think race has something to do with the fact that they're not bringing up an immigration bill. I've heard them say to the Irish, if it were just you this would be easy.
[Crowley:] Do you agree with that?
[Israel:] The American people want solutions in Congress. They want people to oppose certain policies for the right reasons
[Crowley:] This is about racism. Do you think your Republican colleagues are racist?
[Israel:] Not all of them, no, of course not. But to a significant extent the Republican base does have elements that are animated by racism and that's unfortunate.
[Crowley:] Even the president has said, look, I think some people oppose me because of race but I think some people support me because of race.
[Israel:] That's true.
[Crowley:] And so this you know, between the war on women and the Republicans are racist or blanketing all of them if this were Irish, they would have passed immigration by now. Looked very much like election year strategy, trying to get your base out.
[Israel:] Well look, we don't need to get our base out because frankly we're ready to pass an immigration bill. And we'd rather pass an immigration bill than worry about the election. We have got 190 Democrats ready to vote on a comprehensive immigration bill today. We can do it today. And we know that not every Republican is going to agree with us on that. It passed the Senate with 67 bipartisan votes. All we need is 20 Republicans, just 20 to vote for that bill and it will be law and we don't have to have this debate anymore. We will have
[Crowley:] But you know how you know how the House works. You're in the minority and that's you know, the rules are the rules.
[Israel:] You don't even have to vote for it. The American people want us to at least vote.
[Crowley:] I want to get to your reaction to Nancy Pelosi's suggestion that she does think that race is holding up
[Walden:] That is both wrong and unfortunate. You know, there have been a lot of executive overreaches by this administration. We see the latest with Lois Lerner and the whole IRS scandal. We're now finally getting to see the email traffic back and forth. The American people just want to know the truth. They want to know the truth about what really happened and the targeting of conservative groups by the IRS. They want to know what happened in Benghazi. They want to know answers and that's all that we're trying to do. Just give us just cooperate with the Congress. Cooperate with the investigations. Give us the information we've requested so our constituents can know the truth.
[Israel:] Fewer witch hunts, more solutions would be good for America right now.
[Walden:] This is not a witch hunt when you're trying to find out why the IRS whether it's Republican or Democrat, I don't want the IRS targeting any group, whether it's liberal or conservative. And if they have, somebody should be held accountable, and that's what we're trying to do.
[Crowley:] We'll have more of our my interview with Congressmen Walden and Israel in the noon hour of this program but when we return I'll ask my next guests what they think about the 2014 strategies you've just heard and if Kathleen Sebelius' departure means a reset for Obamacare.
[Kathleen Sebelius, Former Health And Human Services Secretary:] This is the most meaningful work I've ever been a part of. In fact, it's been the cause of my life.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. The CEO of Lufthansa is promising help but he's not giving victims' family members the one thing they want. That would be answers. Earlier this morning, the CEO literally turned his back on reporters, refusing to answer questions about how the airline could have allowed Andreas Lubitz to fly when it knew about his depression.
[Carsten Spohr, Lufthansa Ceo:] Merci beaucoup. Merci.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Sir, when did you find the 2009 e- mail from Lubitz? When did you find it?
[Unidentified Male:] I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Why did it take you so long to publish the e- mail?
[Unidentified Male:] There's no questions and answers
[Costello:] All right. Let's head to Dusseldorf, Germany for more on this and Frederik Pleitgen. Hi, Fred.
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Hi, Carol. Yes. Certainly a lot of people here are looking for answers. I do think that we do have to give the Lufthansa CEO the benefit of the doubt, though. I think that he might not have thought that that setting that they were in, so close to the crash site, would have been appropriate to then talk about the intricacies of this case to talk about when they discovered that e-mail and the whole process behind it. But certainly, there are many people, Carol, who are looking for answers. And one of the things that the Lufthansa CEO said immediately after the crash when it was found out that Lubitz apparently deliberately crashed the plane, as he said Lubitz took some time off during his pilot training. It really wasn't unclear why, but then it wasn't anything that was uncommon. Of course then subsequently it came out that it was apparently around that time that he was actually still having suicidal tendencies. This is something that the state prosecutor here in Dusseldorf said. It seems as though he had that problem under control because he then later got flight certification, but then he was under psychological treatment again this year. However, it seems as though the doctors this time around didn't think that he was suicidal and didn't think that he was a threat to others. But certainly, there are a lot of people who want an answer as to when they actually found out that he had written an e-mail, Lubitz did, saying that he had big psychological problems in the past Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Stay right there, Fred, because I want to ask you about something else. Also this morning, officials in the investigation are strongly denying reports that a cell phone has been recovered showing the frantic final moments of Flight 9525. Two publications, one German and one French, make the claims and say top staffers saw the video with their own eyes. This morning, one of them spoke to CNN.
[Julian Reichelt, Bild Online, Editor In Chief:] It was kind of disturbing, upsetting material. You know, it's shot in the cabin. It shows that there was, you know, a lot of chaos going on that people apparently were very much aware of where this was heading. And it also seems to document that there was kind of a metallic bang on, you know, what sounds like a metallic bang on a door which, you know, is kind of in line with, you know, results of the previous investigation that say that the pilot was trying to break into the cockpit. That is what we saw.
[Whitfield:] Fred, how credible are these reports? You know these journalists. Is this real, this video, the cell phone video? Is it real?
[Pleitgen:] Well, obviously it's impossible for us to independently verify, first of all, that these guys have actually seen the video and second of all, that that video is authentic. However, that gentleman that we just had on, Julian Reichelt, who is one of the managers at the "Bild" newspaper certainly a very credible journalist, the journalist that I actually rate very highly. I've known him for long period of time. He has big experience in places like Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq, as well, and I've talked to him about this case. And he feels very strongly that this video has been verified. Apparently, the lead on this was a French journalist called Frederic Helbert, who's someone who's been working for that "Paris Match" newspaper for a very long time. A freelancer who's very, very well-connected. And I just want to play a little bit more of Julian's interview this morning on "NEW DAY" where he went a little bit through the vetting process of why they're so sure that what they're seeing is accurate. Let's have a look.
[Reichelt:] It was kind of disturbing, upsetting material, you know, it's shot in the cabin. It shows that there was, you know, a lot of chaos going on, that people apparently were very much aware of where this was heading. It also seems to document that there was kind of a metallic bang on, you know, what sounds like a metallic bang on a door.
[Pleitgen:] That's not the sound bite that we wanted to play, Carol. The one that we wanted to play showed the process that they went through to try and vet this video, to try and see whether it was real. However, of course, we do know that the French authorities have come out and they have said that they think that these reports by these two publications are untrue and the French prosecutor has also come out and said that at this point there is no cell phone video involved in this investigation, none has been used. And he says that if anybody has cell phone video, that that needs to be turned over to authorities immediately Carol.
[Costello:] Yes. And I want to read to you what that journalist said. I know that you didn't have the right bite up there. But this is what he said. This is how they vetted it. It was, you know, shown to us by a reporter who we trust, that was been with the magazine for a while, who's a very seasoned reporter who is known for his great sources. And you know, it was shown to us that we could look at it in detail, run it through the process of verification until the point where we felt comfortable in going ahead with the story. So another question for you, Fred, are you still there?
[Pleitgen:] Yes. Sure.
[Costello:] Why haven't these journalists turned the cell phone information over to authorities?
[Pleitgen:] Well, I mean, from what we're hearing from them is that they were able to view this video, but they don't actually have this video. So it's unclear how that process actually take took place. It doesn't necessarily mean that the video is actually in their hands. They do say that they've seen this video because I mean, keep in mind, that cell phone SIM card, if it indeed exists, if all of this is true, is obviously part of a criminal investigation and quite frankly, the most important criminal investigation that you've seen in Europe for a very long time. And so, therefore, that's certainly not something that they would want to hang on to and especially keep away from investigators, especially since you have the French prosecutor coming out and saying if there's cell phone video out there, I need it immediately. So that's certainly something where they might have viewed it, I don't necessarily think that they necessarily have it in their possession if indeed they did view it Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Gotcha. Frederick Pleitgen, reporting live for us this morning. Thank you. Let's talk a little bit more about this and more. Les Abend, he's a CNN aviation analyst and a Boeing 777 captain. And Heidi Snow, Heidi lost her fiance in the TW Flight 800 disaster and now works as a victim advocate founding Aircraft Casualty Emotional Support Services. Welcome to both you.
[Heidi Snow, Lost Fiance At Twa Flight 800 Disaster:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Thank you so much. Les, I want to start with you because as you were watching Fred's report, you seemed pretty upset, actually.
[Les Abend, Cnn Aviation Analyst:] Well, from two standpoints. Number one is we've been speaking about this kind of information should never be released and maybe Heidi can add to this with reference to its effect on the families. This is a tight well-run investigation process in the field. It's a remote area. How did this you know, no disrespect to good journalism, but how did this information, this little cell phone card, SD card, whatever it was, get out of the hands of investigators into somewhere else? It just I don't see the authenticity of this whole video.
[Costello:] It is mind-boggling, Heidi, that someone could actually find a piece of a cell phone that still could contain information. But some people say it's possible but let's get back to the human toll. This must be really hard for the families to take.
[Snow:] Right. All of us at ACESS have the unenviable credentials of having lost people in air disasters. And at this point, I remember so well, personally, I lost my fiance on TWA Flight 800. And at this point, we just wanted answers. But the most important thing is to get them from a reputable source and not learn them secondhand through the press. So it's so important to have somebody in charge of the investigation relaying information to the families before it gets out into the media. So when things like this happen, it's very difficult for the families when they're hearing information from all different sources. The most important thing is to get information directly from a reputable source, which is very challenging today with the press and all the information that comes out from all different sources. That's what develops trust. That's what makes the families feel safe. And they really need that so that they can make sense of what happened. And at the end of the day, when no matter how many answers come in, we will still never know what their last moments were like. And that's what all of us at ACESS deal with. And what is different between other types of sudden loss and air disasters is the amount of time it takes to really figure out what happened. And even when we have a lot of information, we still never know, did our loved ones feel pain, did they know what was happening, were they scared? And those are the things that we all wrestle with years later and that's really what bonds all of us at ACESS, is really not knowing what our loved ones went through at the end and that's something that we all are challenged with.
[Costello:] Let me ask you a very difficult question. If this cell phone video is real, would some of the victims' family members want to see it?
[Snow:] Everybody grieves differently. I remember with Flight 800, there were people who wanted to see the plane when it was put together again. There were other family members who did not want to do that. So it's on a case by case basis on what is healing for everybody. But the main thing is everybody at this point really does want answers and that more information they can get does help them through the process. But there are going to be people who want that information and there are going to be other people who really are not ready for that yet. And so it's a long process. And that's why at ACESS we're there for the long haul. We're there when people go home and try to resume their lives. Right now everybody is in a state of shock and just trying to get as much information as possible. But the future is going to be a long process for everybody because their lives are forever changed. They expected a separation of just days or weeks and suddenly their loved ones are gone forever. So this is going to be a very long process for everybody.
[Costello:] And Les, it struck me, you know, that Lufthansa CEO went to the memorial site which is the base of the crash site and, you know, he expressed his condolences and said that the airline would do whatever it could. But when the reporters started shouting questions at him about this co-pilot, he turned his back and left.
[Abend:] And it seemed a little bit of a hollow act that he did. And that's what's always disturbed me, is the aspect of this man not only had issues but had issues during a training process, which in this particular case for Germanwings is part of the initial screening. So I think the break should have come to you know, we should have come to a stop right there and said time out, is this the individual we want to have working for our airline?
[Costello:] All right. Les Abend and Heidi Snow, thanks to both you. I really appreciate it. We have some breaking news right now. I don't know exactly what it is but let's go right to Germany and Frederick Pleitgen. What have you got, Fred?
[Pleitgen:] The new information that we're getting here is actually coming out of France, and that is that apparently the French National Gendarmerie, which is of course the national police there in France, is questioning the French Civil Aviation Accident Bureau, which is of course the BEA, which is in charge of investigating the crash of the Germanwings flight over media leaks. And this is specifically pertaining to a "New York Times" report and the information that we have that I've just gotten as well. I'm going to read it to you right now. And that is that the French investigative newspaper "Le Canard Enchaine" reports that the Gendarmerie Nationale, so the national police, have questioned Remy Jouty, the head of the BEA, which is the French investigating authority, regarding leaks in the investigation specifically a report in "The New York Times" about contents of the cockpit voice recorder. And this goes back to a report in "The New York Times" on March 25th where the "New York Times" reported that the Germanwings pilot was locked out of the cockpit just before the crash and the quote that they have was, "An investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane's descent and was unable to get back in. So that was the information of course they had at this time. Of course, we know that the investigation here has dealt repeatedly with leaks to the media. You have this one specifically to that "New York Times" report. You have part of the transcript from the cockpit voice recorder that was leaked and published by the "Bild" newspaper of Germany. And then just recently, you have that apparent SIM card that was leaked, where that video was apparently leaked. Of course the authorities are saying they say that those reports are untrue. But leaks certainly are a big problem in this very important investigation Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Frederick Pleitgen, thanks. I'll just toss a question to you, Les. So now that leak is pretty big for an important case like this, right? So you have to wonder what the motive is for the person leaking the information. Is it because he thinks the airline is withholding information? Does he just want or her, we don't know, glorify themselves?
[Abend:] It could be strict you know, sensationalizing the whole process. Here in the States if you had done that with the NTSB, you would have been if you were a party to the investigation, in other words you the airline, if you were the union, and you were responsible for leaking the information, and this does happen, you would be kicked off of that investigation team. You would no longer be party to that investigation. And the same structure basically exists what we're dealing with here.
[Costello:] I'm sure. And that's why I wonder how long it will take them to figure it out, right?
[Abend:] I don't know.
[Costello:] We'll see. Les Abend, thanks as well. I appreciate it. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Arkansas, the next state to step into the religious freedom spotlight as the governor prepares to sign a bill passed by state lawmakers. Live report out of Little Rock, next.

[Flores:] Right now, the U.S. is doing a critical head count, trying to see if any Americans remain in South Sudan. The State Department says Americans were able to get out of the African nation today. The successful rescue comes after a failed effort Saturday that left four U.S. troops wounded. Several military aircraft trying to extract Americans in Bor when the choppers came under fire. The violence in South Sudan had grown bloodier after the president accused his now ex- V.P. of attempting a coup. Let's go to CNN's Athena Jones in Hawaii, traveling with President Obama who's on vacation. And, Athena, the president just released a statement on South Sudan. What did he say?
[Athena Jones, Cnn Correspondent:] Hi, Rosa. Well, we're getting a few more details directly from the president on that operation that failed to evacuate the American citizens from South Sudan yesterday. This is released just in the last less than an hour. It's part of the president's letter to Congress, which is required under the War Powers Resolution. The White House says this is standard practice whenever there's a U.S. deployment of troops overseas. Let me read to you a bit from that letter. It says, "On December 21st, 2013, approximately 46 additional U.S. military personnel deployed by military aircraft to the area of Bor, South Sudan to conduct an operation to evacuate U.S. citizens and personnel. After the aircraft came under fire as they approaches Bor, the operation was curtailed due to security considerations and the aircraft and all military personnel onboard departed South Sudan without completing the evacuation. The purpose of this operation was to protect U.S. citizens, personnel and property. As I monitor the situation in South Sudan, I may take further action to support they security of U.S. citizens, personnel and property, including our embassy in South Sudan." As you mentioned at the top, we now know that several American citizens were able to be evacuated successfully today. The question, though, remains, how many remain on the ground? We know that the Americans who presented themselves to the United Nations were able to get out of the country successfully. And so the president and his national security team are keeping close tabs on the situation there. The president is going to be continuously updated.
[Flores:] Could you elaborate a little on how those Americans were able to get out?
[Jones:] We understand that they were able to leave the country with the help of the United Nations. The president, when he was briefed on this, I should tell you he was briefed as soon as he landed on the ground over night, late Friday night in Honolulu. He was briefed while still aboard Air Force One. About yesterday the evacuation attempt that failed, and the status of those four American servicemembers. He was then briefed again later Saturday morning. Briefed again this morning. So he directed his team to continue working with the United Nations to try to get these American citizens out of the country, and that's what happened. Rosa?
[Flores:] Are there signs of other ways that the U.S. could get involved in Sudan? I understand the recent fighting has forced tens of thousands of people to flee.
[Jones:] At this point, we have no indication that there's going to be any involvement by U.S. military troops, for instance, in the conflict. We know that there ate troops there, who are there to buttress, to fortify, the embassies and protect personnel on the ground. But in terms of any sort of other military involvement, there are no indications, and I would not expect to see that happen. We do know that the president as part of the statement the White House put out yesterday, after meeting with his national security team via a secure conference call on Saturday, the president, again, urged the government, the leadership in South Sudan telling them it's their responsibility to protect U.S. personnel and also call on them to try to resolve these differences peacefully or risk withdrawal of U.S. and international support. This is a country that's only two years old, and right now, it's involved in this increasing ethnic and political violence. So, the president, secretary of state, National Security Advisor Susan Rice are all calling on the leaders of South Sudan to resolve this peacefully through dialogue, but that's about it. It doesn't look like any sort of U.S. military involvement there.
[Flores:] All right, Athena Jones, thank you so much. We switch gears as Christmas draws near. Pope Francis focuses on homeless families reminding the faithful of how the holy family had no home in the days before Jesus was born.
[Pope Francis:] [Speaking foreign language]
[Flores:] Pope Francis told the thousands gathered in St. Peter's Square today to do everything possible to, quote, "assure that every family has a place to live." His message comes just days after "Time" magazine named the pontiff, the person of the year.. Former NBA star, Dennis Rodman, is wrapping up a trip to North Korea, but he plans to return in just a few weeks, and he plans to bring 12 other former NBA stars with him as well. Jim Clancy has more on Rodman's trip, and its significance.
[Jim Clancy, Anchor, Cnn International:] Rosa, Dennis Rodman is vowing I'll be back and downplaying the fact that he hasn't really met with his good friend, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. Even before this trip, Rodman said he was just trying to bridge a gap.
[Dennis Rodman, Former Nba Player:] I want to bridge a gap with North Korea. That's all I want
[Clancy:] Humble aspirations from a controversial sports figure on an even more controversial visit to Pyongyang. Others hope he might be able to help free an imprisoned American missionary, Kenneth Bae, arrested more than a year ago serving a 15-year sentence for what the North Koreans say was an attempt to overthrow the regime
[Bill Richardson, Former U.s. Ambassador To U.n:] There's a value if Rodman can get Kenneth Bae out. If not, then I don't think the trip will have much consequence.
[Clancy:] Rodman insists that kind of diplomacy is not part of his trip. He says like it or not, he and North Korea's young dictator are just good friends.
[Mike Green, Center For International And Strategic Studies:] It's bizarre, and it raises serious questions about Kim Jong-un's own judgement.
[Clancy:] Rosa, Kim is actually getting exactly what he wants, our attention. It may well be that Dennis Rodman also thrives on that kind of attention, and of course he'll earn a paycheck. But don't lose sight of the core purpose that this all holds for the North Koreans. They know the regime is weak. It needs to get the U.S. to engage it. That Kim Jong-un really wants is a deal with the U.S., a treaty, that will ensure the survival of the Kim dynasty, and it will do anything to get it. On one hand, you've got the basketball diplomacy, and Dennis Rodman, but don't forget on the other hand, you've also got threats coming from North Korea, rolling off fax machines in Seoul, warning of a merciless strike that could come at any time. Rosa, back to you.
[Flores:] Jim Clancy, thank you so much. Still ahead in the CNN NEWSROOM, late Thursday, the Senate signs off on a bill designed to reform the way the military prosecutes sexual assaults. But, for some, this is not the fix they pushed for. We've got the details just ahead.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] The next hour of CNN "NEWSROOM" starts now. And good morning, I'm Carol Costello, thank you so much for joining me. We begin this hour with new developments out of the Middle East. Two men armed with knives and axes and machetes storm into a Jerusalem synagogue and hack away at worshippers. Four Israeli rabbis are killed, three of those victims were Israeli-Americans and because of that, the FBI will launch an investigation of its own. We also have new video of the aftermath of that attack and I want to warn you right now, what you are about to see is graphic and it's disturbing. We're going to take you inside that synagogue where the attackers carried out that bloody rampage. In addition to the four rabbis killed, at least six other worshippers were wounded. Both of the Palestinian men were killed. Here are those pictures. All right, you can see the carnage that went down here. I want to bring in Alan Dershowitz who's well known for his legal expertise. The Harvard law professor is also the author of the "Evil Terror Tunnels: the Case for Israel's Just War against Hamas." Looking at those pictures, they're just so disturbing.
[Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School, Emeritus Professor Of Law:] Well, they're essentially...
[Costello:] Rabbis and worshippers attacked.
[Dershowitz:] They're essentially beheadings. I mean they're not different from what ISIS has done. These were people with access coming in and trying to essentially behead rabbis at prayer. People of peace, people who are not part of the political activities in Israel. I knew one of them. I knew the family of one of them. He was a Bostonian and a great peace lover.
[Costello:] The FBI will launch its own investigation. How might that work?
[Dershowitz:] It won't be anything more than symbolic. Israeli intelligence is much better equipped to get to the causes of this. The FBI will come in because technically these were American citizens and the FBI has jurisdiction. It will help the Israelis but Israeli intelligence and police will do the vast majority of the work.
[Costello:] Israeli authorities right now believe these two men were lone wolves, they were Palestinian men, and but they believe they were lone wolves and they say these kinds of attack are happening more often within Israel, especially Jerusalem, and that they're very difficult to prevent.
[Dershowitz:] They are. But there's no such thing as a lone wolf when it comes to these acts of terrorism. They're incited and inspired, they are inspired by Hamas, by Islamic Jihad and tragically even by Abbas, by Abu Mazen who has talked about defending Jerusalem and using all means to defend Jerusalem. That sends a message to lone wolves and so although they're the actual ax is wielded by these individuals, they are listening to voices from the leadership of the Palestinian Authority. Israel, on the other hand, always condemns attacks by individual radicals such as the ones who burned the Palestinian young man after the three Israelis were kidnapped. So you can't create a moral equivalence. You have individuals on both sides who are bad, but the Israeli government constantly condemns the bad Israelis whereas the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas particularly, praises them and makes martyrs of them, even the Palestinian Authority names parks after them and athletic fields after them. There's a big difference.
[Costello:] I understand. Let's go back to the attack itself because it happened in a synagogue and there are those who say that this might spark a religious war. How was this kind of attack more dangerous than others?
[Dershowitz:] Because when you have religious warfare, you cannot resolve it rationally. Each side thinks that God has spoken to them and they're listening to God's voice. Israel is a secular society for the most part. Its actions are made based on secular military decisions. But Hamas is a religious organization who believes that it is acting in the interest of God. And that's why they won't compromise, that's why they won't recognize Israel, that's why their charter calls for the killing of Jews and destruction of synagogues and the establishment of a caliphate. Hamas is ISIS, but it's on the border of Israel rather than as far away as ISIS is from the United States.
[Costello:] Alan Dershowitz, thank you for your insight. I appreciate it. Of course, we'll be talking much more about this horrible incident in Jerusalem in the coming hours on CNN. Now, let's turn to the terror group ISIS and its alarming talent to successfully recruit newcomers, including those from the West. Today a Virginia woman is charged with lying about her ties to the terror group and her social media postings promoting ISIS. CNN's Deborah Feyerick is chasing down details. She joins me now with more. Good morning.
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. Well, about a half dozen Facebook accounts suggest that this woman was becoming more and more radicalized and supportive of ISIS, posting images of the "virtues" and of "Mujahedeen" and claiming "I love ISIS." She was upset that her account kept getting deleted because of her views and her postings. The woman is 29-year-old Heather Coffman, she's accused of working as an ISIS recruiter, someone who could help others get to Syria, join the blood thirsty terror group. According to an FBI criminal complaint, she tried to recruit two people, including an undercover FBI agent. Now, in the first case, a man she claimed to be her husband but whom it appears she'd never met, she allegedly set him up with brothers who gave him contacts into Turkey. The man ultimately was in Macedonia, he changed his mind, he stayed there. But after FBI agents executed a search warrant on her Facebook site, an undercover agent posing as a wannabe jihadi met with the woman saying that he, too, was interested in ISIS jihad. She said that she could find a legitimate facilitator to get him to Syria. At least one of the meetings was recorded with Coffman creating a code language effectively to avoid detection. She was confronted at her office by FBI agents. She denied her activities. Coffman was charged with essentially lying to federal investigators, making false statements, promoting international domestic terrorism. We have reached out to her lawyer. There are a few personal details right now, but according to the FBI this is a woman who actually talked her own sister into believing in the benefits of ISIS and jihad, Carol.
[Costello:] Deborah Feyerick reporting live for us this morning. Thank you. With more Americans being abducted by terrorists overseas, President Obama has now ordered a review of hostage policy. That review was revealed the day after the execution of Peter Kassig, the third American killed by ISIS. Kassig's mother spoke of his aid work in Syria.
[Paula Kassig, Peter Kassig's Mother:] Peter's life is evidence that he has been right all along one person makes a difference. Our hearts are battered, but they will mend. The world is broken, but it will be healed in the end.
[Costello:] The hostage policy review could lead to changes in how the government responds to families. Previously, families have criticized the Obama administration saying it didn't follow leads or threaten criminal prosecution if ransoms were paid. CNN's Joe Johns is at the White House with more. Good morning.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning. Your heart really goes out to these families, especially on that issue of ransom. The United States doesn't pay it, although some European countries do. So there's the rub. This review is expected to look at how the government deals with the families as well as what the intelligence community is doing, what the diplomatic community is doing. The president ordered this review over the summer and it was badly needed because these families do feel sort of caught in the middle between their concerns about their loved ones and what the government is telling them. And sometimes those messages are very much conflicting. Information about this review was first disclosed after an exchange of letters between Congressman Duncan Hunter of California and the government. The National Security Council went ahead and confirmed that the review is going on, although it did say they cannot disclose all the details about what the government does to try to free these hostages once they are taken captive. Carol?
[Costello:] All right, Joe Johns reporting live from the White House this morning. Still to come in the "NEWSROOM," harsh words from a new woman well, from another woman, I should say, who says Bill Cosby sexually assaulted her.
[Joan Tarshis, Alleges Bill Cosby Raped Her In 1969:] He's a serial rapist, actually. I mean, when you rape at least 16 women, that's serial, that's a serial rapist... Um: Yeah.
[Tarshis:] in my opinion.
[Costello:] Her name is Joan Tarshis, she's speaking out about what she said happened 45 years ago. Here more, next.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news. Hollywood legend and this country's first child star, Shirley Temple, has died. We look back at her amazing life and why today we did lose a real American icon.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Dangerous mix. Atlanta and the south bracing for round two, more of potentially disastrous ice and snow. This time officials say they are making every effort to avoid another disaster. Flights grounded school canceled and the northeast is next.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Talk about an awkward moment. Samuel L. Jackson tears into an entertainment reporter after he mistakes the star for Laurence Fishburne. The epic takedown you've got to see.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY continues right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan and Michaela Pereira.
[Bolduan:] Good morning, and welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Tuesday, February 11th, 8:00 in the East. Atlanta and much of the south bracing for the worst again. Forty-five Georgia counties now under a state of emergency. Another major winter storm. And this one expected to be even worse potentially than the one that paralyzed Atlanta just two weeks ago. Airports already getting backed up with more than 903 flights canceled today. So is Atlanta ready this time? Meteorologist Indra Peterson is tracking the storm's every move from Atlanta and beyond of course. But let's begin with Nick Valencia who is in Atlanta this morning. Good morning, Nick.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. The headline for the "Atlanta Journal Constitution," it says it all. The southeast in the pathway of a double dose of severe weather. Who could forget what happened two weeks ago here in Atlanta? Officials statewide and here locally pulling out all the stops to make sure that doesn't happen again.
[Valencia:] Overnight, freezing rain and snow hitting the southeast, just a preview of what's coming tonight from Arkansas to Alabama.
[Unidentified Female:] This is going to be the monster system that we'll need to watch out for.
[Valencia:] It's test number two for the Metro Atlanta area. Accompanied by members of his newly created Severe Weather Task Force, Governor Nathan Deal maintained this time they'd be ready.
[Nathan Deal , Gov. Of Georgia:] We're going to try our best to get it absolutely correct every time. And two, the meteorologists who are part of our task force, we're going to expect them to get it right every time. I'm joking, just partially.
[Valencia:] When asked by CNN if the city was better prepared for snow now, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said he didn't want to make predictions.
[Mayor Kasim Reed, Atlanta:] And I'll let the results speak for themselves.
[Valencia:] Atlanta officials taking extraordinary measures to avoid another snowpocalyse, shutting down public schools today and tomorrow so kids don't get stranded on buses or stuck sleeping in classrooms. And stocking up, top priority. Residents cleaning out grocery store shelves, stripping them down to the bare bones.
[Unidentified Female:] Better to be safe than sorry.
[Valencia:] Just one measure to avoid hitting the streets, streets which two weeks ago were desperately gridlocked, scores of cars abandoned. But it's the second wave of snow and ice expected tonight that has officials on edge.
[Unidentified Male:] The amount of ice that we're looking at is catastrophic. The ice will build up on trees. Trees will come down, take down the power lines.
[Valencia:] Georgia Power asking states like Florida and Pennsylvania for assistance in case of massive outages. And last night's winter weather brought problems to be expected with a harsh storm but that compares very you know, nothing at all to what meteorologists are predicting later tonight. Chris, I'm sure Indra can tell us all about that. Back to you.
[Cuomo:] Oh yes, Nick. Let's get to our meteorologist Indra Peterson. We have waves, we have different directions we're considering. What do you see?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, there's so much to be concerned. The National Weather Service now describing the storm in Atlanta as historical and catastrophic. Let's talk about the season already. Notice in Chicago, New York City, look how much we've been above normal. And Atlanta, an inch above average for snowfall. And we saw what happened. And here comes that wave again. The next system here expected to be a big one, the icing potential on the second wave, that's
[Pereira:] All right. Thanks so much for looking into that. We'll keep an eye on it with you, Indra. Take a look at your headlines at this hour. A new deadline in implementing a key part of Obamacare. The mandate for employers to provide health care coverage for workers. The White House is now giving midsized businesses, rather, a year's reprieve. They have until 2016 to comply. Republicans are blasting this delay. House Speaker John Boehner accuses the president of rewriting the health care law on a whim. New this morning, a first look at a dramatic army raid that captured alleged al Qaeda terrorist Abu Anas al-Libi snatched outside his home in Tripoli last year. That surveillance video showing Special Forces wasting no time. The capture took under 30 seconds. Al-Libi is being held on conspiracy charges suspected of plotting two attacks on U.S. embassies. That footage was first obtained by the "Washington Post." In Iraq more than 20 militants were killed after an instructor teaching a class on car bombs accidentally detonated one. The blast tipped off officials to the rural training camp in an orchard north of Baghdad. Two dozen were arrested including wounded insurgents. But Iraqi officials say the incident shows terrorist groups are making a strong comeback. A Sacramento TV station was pretty much at the right place at the right time. Check out dramatic takedown caught on tape. Police catching a 19-year-old, Michael Kennedy who they say ran from them a day earlier. He hopped a fence, grabbed a bike and tried to take off right towards the camera. Watch this now. Boom. And now the officer goes in for the tackle and grabs him, and puts him under arrest. Kennedy now faces burglary and assault charges, and apparently had some outstanding warrants. Justin Bieber may have been driving at speeds close to 140 miles per hour in Miami Beach hours before he was arrested on DUI charges. Newly released GPS speed readings obtained by TMZ claimed to be Bieber's speeding log for the entire night. Just before 1:30 in the morning he reportedly hit 108 miles per hour and in under a minute he was at 136. You'll recall the 19-year-old was arrested for DUI and driving with an expired license. At the time of his arrest he was only going what, 50?
[Bolduan:] Yes, it was about 50 or something.
[Pereira:] But it shows that he was going fast the rest of the night.
[Cuomo:] And just a little bit of frame of perspective.
[Bolduan:] A whole lot faster.
[Pereira:] It's a frame of perspective.
[Cuomo:] You know, child actors today, child performers today, with what we just lost in Shirley Temple in terms of the example she set through her life.
[Bolduan:] And it's a very good point. Well, let's let's turn back to that breaking news we're talking about. We've been following it all morning. Shirley Temple Black, one of the most iconic movie stars of the 20th century, has died at the age of 85. She shot to stardom at the height of the Great Depression. She was arguably the most famous child star in Hollywood history. A family statement says she died of natural causes at her California home surrounded by those she loved and loved her. Entertainment correspondent Nischelle Turner joining us from Los Angeles with much more on her life and of course her legacy Nischelle.
[Nischelle Turner, Cnn Entertainment Correspondent:] Absolutely. And it is a legacy, Kate, that spans all, you know, 85 years of her life. Shirley Temple Black was incomparable. And now we take a look back at her life.
[Turner:] During the dark days of the Great Depression when life was bleak, along came Shirley Temple to win the hearts of the American people. The perky little girl with cute curls and adorable dimples was just what people needed to lift their spirits. Decades later when she was among entertainers giving Kennedy Center Honors, President Clinton put it this way.
[Bill Clinton, Former U.s. President:] She was 7 years old when President Roosevelt asked to meet her to thank her for the smiling face that helped America through the Great Depression.
[Turner:] Shirley Temple began her career at age 3 playing spunky, optimistic characters at a time when the public saw little reason to be hopeful. Born in Santa Monica, California, on April 23rd, 1928, her mother claimed her first words were the lyrics to a song. By age 6, she had already appeared in 20 movies and had been the top box office star for four years. But ticket sales alone don't begin to describe her popularity. She was a cover girl. Girls flocked to buy Shirley Temple dolls and a non-alcoholic drink was named after her. Unlike many stars she successfully made the transition from her early films like this one to grown-up roles. Next she switched from life in the public spotlight to life in public service. In 1967 she made an unsuccessful attempt to run for Congress. And a couple of years later she became a diplomat, served as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations and ambassador to Ghana. And toward the end of the Cold war, Czechoslovakia. Her teenage marriage to fellow actor John Agar lasted five years and produced one daughter. Her second marriage to businessman Charles Black lasted until his death in 2005. They had two children. Commenting on her varied career, President Clinton commented
[Clinton:] In fact she has to be the only person who both saved the entire movie studio from failure and contributed to the fall of communism.
[Turner:] In 1972 she was diagnosed with breast cancer and underwent a mastectomy. She was one of the first celebrities to go public with her diagnosis encouraging women to be examined. From child star to diplomat, to seasoned role model, Shirley Temple Black enjoyed it all. Late in life she said, "If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change anything." And Shirley Temple Black also offered a bit of advice to young stars in Hollywood late in life. She said simply, don't try to be Shirley Temple. Kate and Chris, back to you.
[Bolduan:] Couldn't even if they tried. That's for sure. Nischelle, thank you so much.
[Turner:] Indeed.
[Cuomo:] Yes, one thing I may disagree with there. I think they should all try to be Shirley Temple both on screen and off. All right. We're going to turn now to Olympic news. American snowboarder Shaun White has started his attempt for a third straight gold medal in the men's halfpipe. The man known as the flying tomato may not have to worry about other boarders as much as the conditions that he's facing in terms of his biggest obstacle. Fifty-five degrees it is right now on a course that is far from perfect. Plenty of blame is being thrown around for that. Rachel Nichols is back with us from Sochi without her coat, a sign of her being tiger-tough as well as it being warm there. What's going on with the weather?
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Sports Correspondent:] Yes, I've got to correct you there, Chris. It's after 5:00 p.m. here so the temperature has plummeted. It is no longer 55 degrees. It's now 52 degrees. Still don't need the coat here. And for sure the weather is wreaking havoc with some of the venues. Remember this is the only subtropical climate in Russia. There were concerns about that. Vladimir Putin himself addressed the IOC, guaranteeing them that weather would not be a factor in these games. Well, guess what, weather has been a factor at the halfpipe venue. The snow is mushy. Hannah Teter, our American former Olympic medalist who is competing again in these games, went so far as to call it, quote, "crappy." And today they made an effort I want you to take a look at this photo. These are workers with a giant fire hose. They're basically trying to water down the pipe to create icier, slippier conditions. That's great except you do get the guys sliding down better but they're sliding on ice. This event is supposed to be on snow. So the riders who have come down so far in qualifications have said now it's mushy in some parts and then icy and too slippery in other parts. So definitely a bit of a mess and a lot of blame being thrown around. But they're going on with the competition despite some of the riders asking them to postpone. That didn't happen.
[Cuomo:] That's interesting that some wants to postpone. I mean, obviously you want it decided on the best conditions you can. Even though everyone must deal with those conditions equally but it would be horrible for a fall that wouldn't have happened otherwise to determine the competition. I know people are going to get upset about the spoiler alert but it's about the news and it's about right now. So what do we know about how Shaun White is doing so far, Rachel?
[Nichols:] Well, Shaun White is up there right now with his qualifying group. He just laid down his second run and I've got to tell you, he is doing phenomenal. He is one who expressed a lot of concerns early about the conditions here but he has been able to handle them when a lot of the other riders haven't. We've seen some falls, we've seen some riders hit the pipe. Shaun has done great, he is at the top of his qualifying group right now which means he'll definitely advance. And we'll let you know as competition progresses throughout the day here on
[Cnn. Cuomo:] Rachel Nichols, thank you very much coming to us from Sochi. More Olympics news for you. Men's and women's medal events in cross country skiing are also getting underway at the bottom of the hour. As it stands now, Canada leads the medal count, nine medals after picking up gold and bronze in women's slope style this morning. The U.S., you see there, fourth with six medals after winning silver in that same event.
[Bolduan:] Continue to follow that and lots more news ahead. Coming up next on NEW DAY, what would the dynamic of the presidential race look like if Hillary Clinton finally decides to give it another go for the White House? A new book exploring that with new behind the scenes details from her time as secretary of state called "HRC." We're going to speak with the authors when we come back.
[Cuomo:] And, if a football team is not ready for a gay player in the locker room, they're not ready to win. That is the a statement from a former receiver in the NFL, Donte Stallworth, on the heels of Michael Sam revealing he is gay. And if you can believe it, it's a controversial statement. We're going to talk with Donte about it straight ahead.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] A lot of news out there. Let's get you to "THE NEWSROOM" with Carol Costello. I saw you moving to it a little bit, Carol.
[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] I was.
[Cuomo:] Looking at the limbo stick.
[Costello:] Yes.
[Cuomo:] That limbo stick
[Petersons:] There you go.
[Costello:] Thanks, guys. Have a great day. NEWSROOM starts now. Happening now in the NEWSROOM, hunt for a cold-blooded ISIS killer. The FBI wants your help in finding him. They think the man in the black mask may be an American. Plus rolled back, big box behemoth Wal-Mart cutting health insurance for 30,000 part-time workers, but this might actually be a good thing? We'll tell you why. And save Excalibur. The Ebola dog that's stealing everyone's heart this morning. Spain is threatening to euthanize him but he's showing no symptoms of Ebola, nothing. Nada. See the Twitter campaign that's going viral live in the CNN NEWSROOM. And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. The FBI makes a bold and unusual move and asks you and your neighbors, do you know this ISIS terrorist, hiding behind a mask? In a gruesome propaganda tape released last month he appears to execute captured Syrian soldiers who are unarmed but even more chilling, it sounds like he may be American. So now the feds are asking you to listen carefully.
[Unidentified Male:] They lie. They're lying. We are the harshest towards the Kuffar. And the flames of war are only beginning to intensify.
[Costello:] Now just to be clear, this is not the same man shown in recent beheadings of prisoners including two Americans. He spoke with a British accent and the FBI believes it has identified him. Joining me now, CNN chief CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown. She's in our Washington bureau with more. Good morning, Pamela.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Well, good morning to you, Carol. The FBI is turning to the public for help now after weeks of trying to figure out the identity of this ISIS terrorist who we heard speaking fluent English and he also speaks Arabic in this ISIS propaganda video. And the big concern here is that this may be someone with a Western passport who slipped through the cracks.
[Brown:] The FBI is asking for the public's help identifying this jihadi speaking in what sounds like an American accent in an ISIS propaganda video.
[Unidentified Male:] The flames of war are only beginning.
[Brown:] For weeks the FBI has been using facial recognition and voice analysis trying to trace his accent and comparing what they find to other Americans the intelligence community has been watching. FBI director James Comey told "60 Minutes" there are about a dozen Americans currently fighting in Syria but he's even more worried about the Americans not currently on his radar.
[James Comey, Fbi Director:] I don't know what I don't know.
[Brown:] The effort is part of a broader public appeal by the FBI to identify Americans seeking to join jihadist groups fighting overseas. It comes on the heels of a 19-year-old Chicago man arrested Saturday. CNN has learned that Mohammed Khan wasn't on the FBI's radar until very recently.
[Cully Stimson, National Security Expert, The Heritage Foundation:] Without this digital footprint, I don't think this young man would have come on our radar screen at all.
[Brown:] The FBI says Khan was in contact with someone online who was allegedly trying to help him get into Syria to fight with ISIS. When police arrested Khan at Chicago O'Hare's international airport, FBI agents were simultaneously searching house but Khan's family members refused to talk to reporters.
[Unidentified Reporter:] What should we know about your son?
[Unidentified Male:] Please, we want privacy.
[Brown:] Notebooks found inside Khan's home also indicated he paid $4,000 for a round trip ticket flying from Chicago to Vienna, Austria, then into Istanbul, Turkey.
[Stimson:] It tells me probably that he was trying to evade being caught by purchasing a round trip ticket versus a single one-way ticket, by spending more than the el cheapo ticket you could get and also by not going direct so that he is more likely than not, not raising a red flag for intelligence services.
[Brown:] And Khan is expected to appear back in court for a detention hearing in Chicago tomorrow. We have reached out to his attorney several times and have not heard back Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Pamela Brown reporting live from Washington this morning. The FBI has put together this wanted poster and they want it plastered on every TV and computer screen in America. Take a look. Can you identify that man in the mask? If you can, and that seems rather difficult to me, you can call 1-800-CALL-FBI. So let's talk about that effort now. Paul Cruickshank is CNN's terrorism analyst and Tom Fuentes is a CNN law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the FBI. Welcome to both of you.
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Thank you, Carol.
[Costello:] Thanks for being here. So, Tom, if I look at this FBI poster I can't identify this man. Can anyone?
[Fuentes:] Well, I think if someone's a family member or close friend or classmate, by his mannerisms, maybe not in the poster it wouldn't be that easy but if you see the video with him, and you know, his expressions, the way he tilts his head, the way he speaks, the way he moves, all of that together might help somebody say oh, yes, I know who that is.
[Costello:] You know, in watching the video of this man, the mask is very tight. It sort of outlines his nose and the shape of his face. Is there computer technology that can sort of enhance that in any way, Tom?
[Fuentes:] No, they've tried to use various facial recognition type technology on that. It's it really takes a better, clearer picture, requires a clearer picture to analyze and they need to have somebody to compare it to right now so just having the face covered like that by itself, if that person is not already on record somewhere is going to be very difficult.
[Costello:] Paul, the FBI, it's really trying to rally the public's help through these posters and this video. So why so much concern about this one man?
[Paul Cruickshank, Cnn Terrorism Analyst:] Well, there's so much concern, Carol, because he committed a war crime on tape, but also they just don't know who this guy is. The FBI director James Comey on "60 Minutes" on Sunday said they've identified all 12 Americans they believe are part of ISIS. Well, they don't know who this guy is. So the fear is he could have an American passport and he could return to the United States to launch some sort of terrorist attack. What they don't know most causes concern for the
[Fbi. Costello:] And Tom, they say his accent sounds North American, whatever that is, but Americans do have they do sound different in different parts of the country. This guy sort of sounds Midwest to me. What does he sound like to you?
[Fuentes:] He doesn't sound American to me, to be honest. That's not my area of expertise, but I've listened to thousands of hours of wiretaps of people and you know, and have heard various accents and various languages. It sounds like someone who was taught English to me but that's me.
[Costello:] Interesting. So, Paul, this man speaks both Arabic and English fluently, does that at all help narrow the search?
[Cruickshank:] I think it does help narrow the search. I've been speaking to Arabic speakers on this. They say he sounds like he could be perhaps from Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, perhaps even Saudi, or also perhaps even Sudan, not so much Egypt or morocco or Algeria, a place like that, when he speaks Arabic. So that does help narrow the search. Helps them try to identify perhaps who this is.
[Costello:] Interesting. OK, so Paul thinks he might be from Syria and he speaks English rather well, right, so maybe ISIS is pulling a fast one on America by scaring it into thinking that this guy executing innocent Syrians is American? Tom, you want to take that one?
[Fuentes:] I think that's possible. But I think that Americans are going to be scared just in general if
[Costello:] Yes.
[Fuentes:] You know, if they know that we have people from the U.S. that have traveled there and that could come back and we have people here who have never been there and might be inspired to go ahead and commit a terrorist act here without even going.
[Costello:] All right. Tom Fuentes, Paul Cruickshank, thanks to both of you for your insight as usual.
[Fuentes:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Top stories this Wednesday morning. Gay marriage bans in two more states fall, add Nevada and Idaho to the list, that makes 30 states that allow same-sex marriage. Ferguson, Missouri, police are reportedly planning for riot if a white cop is not indicted for shooting an unarmed black teenager. Reuters is reporting police are meeting with the FBI three times a week. The grand jury is expected to make its decision next month.
[Unidentified Male:] Black people getting shot by the police
[Costello:] A routine traffic stop for a seatbelt violation turns violent in Indiana. Police smashing through a passenger seat window and using a stun gun on a man as a 14-year-old boy in the backseat recorded it all. Lisa Mahone and her boyfriend Jamal Jones claiming excessive force, false arrest and battery. Officers say they fear for their own safety after seeing Jamal reaching into the backseat. Minnesota Vikings star Adrian Peterson in court next hour expected to plead not guilty to child abuse charges. Peterson is accused of severely whipping his 4-year-old son with a wooden switch. If he's convicted he could face up to two years behind bars. And blood moon. If you were up around 6:30 Eastern this morning, you saw this. Big, red moon. The magic is happening because the earth is between the sun and the moon. If you missed it, no worries, you have two more chances to catch a blood moon next year. NEWSROOM is back in a second.

[Blitzer:] Updating the breaking news this hour. Officials now say it appears the co-pilot of Germanwings flight 9525 crashed the plane deliberately. That based on the cockpit voice recorder. The French prosecutor says after the pilot left the cockpit, the co-pilot refused to let the pilot back in, even when he was banging on the door screaming, "Let me in." He also says the co-pilot initiated the plane's descent from 38,000 feet to 6,000 feet. The prosecutor says all that was done on purpose by the co-pilot. Those shocking revelations coming as grieving friends and families go on an emotional trip to the crash site in the French Alps. Our own Karl Penhaul is joining us on the phone right now. He's near where the families have gathered. Karl, how did they hear this terrible news today that the co-pilot took that plane down deliberately?
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Well, it was the French prosecutor himself who met those families as they arrived in Marseille Airport. At least two flights have come in bringing relatives from the German side and the Spanish side. Before the French prosecutor met the press, he received up to 200 relatives and told them the news first. He said he owed it to them to keep them up to date with every new detail. Of course the French prosecutor was under pressure to give out as much detail as he could after leaks overnight in the news media gave way of some of the details of the explosive new material. He said that many of the relatives expressed disbelief. He said that they did not have the words to express their surprise that this investigation had taken this kind of turn. He said then he was bombarded by multiple questions asking technical questions and legal questions as well. Families trying to to come to terms with just how this could have happened. And then, of course, the reaction from the press as he then went and dropped his bombshell publicly, even among the press, dropped jaws and shaking heads. Many just could not believe the explosive remarks that the prosecutor was making Wolf?
[Blitzer:] It was amazing. We were watching it live right here on CNN. Do we have an update on the teams scouring the mountain side right now looking for the remains of the people on board that plane?
[Penhaul:] Yes, absolutely. Again, the prosecutor going into quite a lot of detail about that. First of all, he said that the recovery of the bodies had begun yesterday afternoon. He also went onto say that because of the speed that the aircraft hit the ground, death would have been instantaneous and of course we already know that they're not necessarily looking for whole bodies, but body parts. On that, the prosecutor had some strong words. He said recovery teams were recovering remains bit by bit, one by one, and bag by bag. And as that recovery is done, those body parts are loaded onto a stretcher, they're taken to a morgue area on the side of the mountain. And that is where the process of formal identification and declaration of death is done. What he also said describing the area as very dangerous and very mountainous said that investigators were working in teams of two accompanied by experienced mountain guides. That enabled many teams to fan out across the mountain side and they were looking and marking any spots where they found body parts or significant parts of the plane as well. But he said it was a task that is going to take a long time. At one point in the press conference, he said recovering all the bodies could take several weeks. He then went on and gave a little bit more precision and said perhaps by the end of next week or by the end of the following week most of the recovery of bodies could be complete Wolf?
[Blitzer:] Yeah, and then French prosecutor with the chilling words that the cockpit voice recorder, in the final seconds before the plane crashed into the French Alps, said they could hear people screaming inside the plane, inside the cabin. Karl, we'll check back with you. Very chilling information. Coming up, much more on the deliberate crash in the French Alps. We'll also be answering your questions. Our panel of experts are here. Stay with us.

[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Senior Medical Correspondent:] Someone dies of an accidental prescription drug overdose every 19 minutes. That is the state of affairs now. We talk about introducing a cannabis medication to help alleviate suffering from things like pain, M.S., epilepsy. And there has been overdose deaths that are virtually unheard of in this case. You may have something that works and doesn't cause nearly as much harm as what is being caused now. I think it's something that people need to hear and need to consider.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Tune in. Tune in. Tune in. Guys, put the graphic back up so we can once again show the people. That is "Weed 2: Cannabis Madness" Tuesday night 10:00 Eastern here on CNN. Thanks, Sanjay.
[Gupta:] You got it. Thank you.
[Baldwin:] Hour two. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thanks for being with me on this Friday. Want to begin with Ukraine, specifically the Crimean Peninsula, an area roughly the size of Hawaii. Look at the map. It's small. It's currently overrun with Russian troops. And CNN has just learned the Ukraine Defense Ministry has said 30,000 of them are involved in the small peninsula, although the U.S. believes the number is slightly less. When the Ukraine's government crumbled and all those Russian troops swooped in, the world was shocked. Some even said Russia's top brass were caught off guard by President Vladimir Putin's decision. But here's the but today, new intelligence from the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency suggests, not only was this planned out, but that the United States knew about the Kremlin's takeover plans up to 10 days before this happened. And then there is this today. America's war plans and weapon capabilities may now be in the hands of Vladimir Putin, a man considered at least unpredictable. The question is, how might he have them? Answer, the world's most infamous leaker of course here, Edward Snowden. Here is Lieutenant General Michael Flynn on NPR.
[Question:] Now, defense capabilities, are we talking about U.S. war plans? Are we talking about intelligence gathering methods? What exactly is it?
[Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Director, Defense Intelligence Agency:] I think it's sort of an all of the above. It's intelligence capabilities. It's operational. It's technology. It's weapons systems.
[Question:] Do you think that Russia has access to the kind of materials that we are talking about?
[Flynn:] To the information that he got?
[Question:] Yes.
[Flynn:] You have to assume that, if they don't have access, you have to assume that they are going to try to get access to it.
[Baldwin:] Joining me now, our correspondent at the Pentagon Barbara Starr. And, Barbara, the new intelligence out there now suggests the CIA had specifically warned policy-makers that the military was indeed coming. So, what did the U.S. do with that information and was it enough?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Well, I don't know that there was specific warning time, date, and place when Russian troops would suddenly move to take the Crimea. What there was, Brooke, is a number of agencies that looked at the indicators that they saw, the beginning of troops moving around, the shifting of Russian assets, watching on both sides of the border what was happening. And they came up with a number of their predictions of what Putin might do. And, as General Flynn said, as the days went on, the seven to 10 days before the Russians made their move, he said that the U.S. intelligence community, the agencies warned policy-makers that there was a great likelihood that something was imminent, but, look, all of this was based on what was in Vladimir Putin's mind, which nobody can read.
[Baldwin:] No.
[Starr:] And the Russians are they were right there anyhow. They could move with literally zero warning time. That was something that CNN reported last week. This was all very tricky business. And it depended when Putin wanted to make his move.
[Baldwin:] And also too the priority, the notion of spying on Russia has been very low priority since the end of the Cold War some 23 years ago. But now that we have this latest power grab by Vladimir Putin and fears what Russia may have gleaned now from Edward Snowden, do you think this might change U.S. intelligence priorities, Barbara?
[Starr:] Well, I was fascinated to hear what General Flynn was saying. I have known him for many years through the wartime years in both Iraq and Afghanistan. This is probably one of this country's preeminent military intelligence experts. He's a guy who worries about everything, as his job requires him to. When he says he is worried about it, he's worried about it. He's going to assume that if Snowden hasn't given the Russians everything, that the Russians are going to try to get it out of him, whether Snowden realizes it or not, war plans, techniques that the U.S. uses on the battlefield. One of the things that General Flynn said that I thought was so interesting, he is worried that the Russians have information about one of the U.S.'most sensitive technologies, how they deal with roadside bombs with IEDs. These are the secrets of technology, of military technology, the advantages that the U.S. wants to keep its hands on, the kind of things that they are so worried Edward Snowden has given away, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] In a word, frightening. Barbara Starr, thank you very much. Right now, the U.S. military is on the move. In fact, look at video here we will play for you. This is shot by CNN. This is a U.S. warship, the guided missile destroyer USS Truxtun crossing into the Black Sea very, very close to the Crimean Peninsula. And as tensions in neighboring Ukraine continue to simmer, this ship is taking part in previously planned exercises with Romania and Bulgaria. And CNN senior international correspondent Ivan Watson is in the Bosphorus Strait. This is part of the waterway that divides Europe and Asia Ivan.
[Ivan Watson, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] The U.S. Navy destroyer Truxtun has just sailed past us at full speed here through's Istanbul's Bosphorus Strait. The U.S. Navy says this was a previously scheduled trip into the Black Sea to conduct joint naval maneuvers with the countries of Bulgaria and Romania. But there is nothing normal about the situation right now in the Crimea Peninsula which sticks out into the Black Sea, where the Russian military has effectively occupied Ukrainian territory and blockaded Ukrainian naval vessels from being able to move out of their ports. At this time, it's a very delicate time for negotiations between Washington and Moscow. And movements by the militaries are seen as important symbols, signs of support for allied countries in the region, particularly in the Baltics, in Eastern Europe, very concerned about Russian military maneuvers into the Ukraine. Ivan Watson, CNN, reporting from the Bosphorus Strait in Istanbul.
[Baldwin:] What a shot. Ivan Watson, thank you so much. And let me tell you coming up in just about 20 minutes from now, we will talk to a columnist who says this is a new Cold War this is how she is phrasing it and how we can learn five main lessons from Putin's actions. We will talk to her just about 25 minutes from now here on CNN. Back here at home, new attempted first-degree murder charges for the Florida mother who drove her van into the ocean with her three little children strapped inside. Police charge Ebony Wilkerson just a short time ago. And this is the video, absolutely horrifying to watch of this incident that played out near Daytona Beach earlier this week. Wilkerson's kids were heard screaming and crying, waving for help. A bystander says Wilkerson kept saying, "We are OK, we are OK, "and continued into the water. So, those bystanders stepped in. They rescued those kids. Wilkerson, by the way, underwent mental evaluation Tuesday. And just a short time ago, a sheriff told reporters, people, mothers are not supposed to be trying to kill their children.
[Ben Johnson, Volusia County Sheriff:] No. It really doesn't surprise me when somebody does something like this. It disappoints me. But to see what people will do in general in crimes, even do to their own children or other children, it's a very disappointing thing, because you are supposed to protect your children at all cost. You are not supposed to be trying to kill your children.
[Baldwin:] Good for that sheriff for saying that. We have also learned about another incident in Florida that this same woman was involved in. So, back in 2007, Wilkerson was found guilty and cited for an improper lane change, and the passenger in the car she hit ended up dying. So, CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin joining me now, legal analyst and mother. I know you are fuming when you read this charging document, and you read about what these kids had said after their interview, saying mom was trying to kill us. But it also sounds like these kids were really trying to stop their mother.
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] They sure were. When you read it, it's just unbelievable. It really I think tears at your heartstrings. The bottom line is one of the kids even tried to steer the car away from the water. I have to agree with the sheriff. As mothers, as human beings, we are supposed to care for those and protect those that are incapable of caring for themselves.
[Baldwin:] Yes.
[Hostin:] I think the charge is certainly appropriate if indeed she did this in a premeditated fashion. I will tell you what does give me some pause and I also want to mention these types of cases where mothers kill their children are so rare, which is why we are so outraged when we hear about them. Remember Susan Smith. Remember Andrea Yates. Those are cases that we covered, Brooke. And of course people are outraged. But both of those cases at least the Andrea Yates case had the element of mental illness. We also know that this mother, her family members had called the police and said she was talking about demons. We also know there allegations that she was an abused mother and she was pregnant, is pregnant at this time when this happened. And so I think we do have to perhaps take a moment and think about the fact that this may be someone suffering from mental illness.
[Baldwin:] I was curious. I was talking to Jane Velez-Mitchell about this last hour because I kept thinking, my goodness, if she was evaluated on Tuesday and what is today, Friday, in a couple of days, right, investigators and I'm sure they were doing their due diligence, but to determine that she did act with premeditated design is their phrase to kill those kids.
[Hostin:] Officers and law enforcement officers, I don't know are necessarily the best people to determine whether or not someone is in their right state of mind. I think that's something that you leave for medical professionals. Again, these allegations that she was talking about demons happened before this incident, but on the same day. And so again I think we do have to observe judgment in a sense, because there is no question in my mind, Brooke, that we are going to hear an insanity defense coming. And so I think the right thing to do is certainly to charge someone with this kind of behavior. My goodness, not only are you pregnant. You have got three kids in the car you are driving into the ocean.
[Baldwin:] Absolutely.
[Hostin:] But there may certainly be a defense here. Our law just hasn't caught up with the mental health issues. We saw that in the Britney Spears case and we saw it in Andrea Yates and I think we may be seeing it again in this case.
[Baldwin:] Sunny Hostin. And, by the way, congratulations because we we're all going to be watching you and your new show. It's called "MAKING THE CASE" with you and your pal, sort of.
[Hostin:] My pal, yes.
[Baldwin:] Mark Geragos.
[Hostin:] Yes, Mark Geragos.
[Baldwin:] It debuts Monday 10:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN. We will be tuning in. Sunny Hostin, thank you so much.
[Hostin:] Thank you. Thank you, Brooke.
[Baldwin:] You got it. Coming up next, this community absolutely in shock after they learned this woman's body was found inside the garage and apparently she had been there for six years. And no one noticed. Her bills were paid through automatic bill pay. A neighbor cut the grass. Coming up next, what eventually led to the gruesome discovery and what the heck the neighbors are saying today. Plus, it's a stunning crash caught on video, and, amazingly, no one was hurt. We will show the moment of impact next. You are watching CNN.

[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine.
[Victor Blackwell, Co-host:] "There will be costs." Is that a veiled threat? As the Russian army moves into Ukraine, is President Obama drawing another red line?
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[Paul:] It's an early Saturday morning for you, but we're just glad we're not alone. I'm Christi Paul.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to have you with us. It's 6 a.m., and this is
[New Day Saturday. Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[Blackwell:] Well, first thing this morning, of course, the breaking news. We want to get you caught up on all the fast-moving developments in Ukraine.
[Paul:] Yes, because there are fears of a shutdown showdown, rather, between Ukraine and Russia, and the U.S. could get caught in the middle of this whole thing. I want to show you what's happening right now as we know it. Ukraine says movements by Russian military personnel in Ukraine's southern Crimea region amount to an armed invasion. And Crimea is, their acting prime minister, meanwhile, is urging Russia to intervene here.
[Blackwell:] And Crimean television says Russian helicopters flew in the skies over Crimea yesterday. Look at this video. And mysterious guards are toting the automatic weapons you see here, suddenly appeared outside two airports in the region. President Obama is telling Moscow, pull back or face the consequences.
[Obama:] We are now deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by the Russian federation inside of Ukraine. Russia has a historic relationship with Ukraine, including cultural and economic ties and a military facility in Crimea. But any violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing.
[Paul:] There are also pictures coming in you see them here Russian tanks on the move. This is near Russia's Black Sea fleet base in Crimea. Moscow insists any troop movements are necessary for security. Now Senator John McCain says President Obama needs to take a harder line with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
[Sen. John Mccain , Arizona:] It's pretty clear that maybe the president of the United States has been a bit naive about Vladimir Putin and his ambitions.
[Blackwell:] CNN's correspondents across Russia and Ukraine to bring you the very latest on this crisis. Fred Pleitgen is in Moscow.
[Paul:] Ian Lee is in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, and Diane Magnay is in Crimea there.
[Blackwell:] Let's start with Fred Pleitgen in Moscow. Fred, Crimea's acting prime minister is urging Russia to intervene, asking them to come in and help keep the peace in the region. Is this essentially carte blanche for Russian troops to move in? And how is Russia responding?
[Frederik Pleitgen, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, it certainly might be, Victor, carte blanche for them to move in. It might be part of a larger plan for Russian troops to move in, which seems to have been unfolding over the past day and a half. So the Russian foreign ministry has already responded to that request that was made by that new Crimean prime minister and said they are certainly not going to disregard that request. They haven't said yet whether or not they're going to move additional forces in there. However, as you've just said, the Ukrainians are already saying that the Russians have already moved troops in that direction. It's unclear whether or not that could amount to an invasion, whether or not that's some sort of small-scale incursion, or whether or not that is something that might pertain to a military exercise that the Russians have ongoing in that area, as well. The Russians so far, for their part, are saying that any moves by their forces on the Crimean Peninsula are in line with an agreement that they have with the Ukraine to be able to do those things, because we have to keep in mind that the Russians have a large number of military bases on that place. They have an agreement with the Ukraine to station military there. That at any time there's about 25,000 Russian forces there, including also with their families along with them, as well. So it's a very important territory to the Russians, and the Russians certainly are making no secret of the fact that it is. On the other hand, Victor, it's also very difficult to believe that what's going on in Crimea right now is not in some way, shape or form organized by some larger power. That when you look at the efficiency with which the gunmen that are operating there have been taking over those local government buildings, Victor.
[Paul:] OK, so, Fred, let me ask you, what do we know for certain about where Russian troops are in Crimea, specifically, and what are people saying about, you know, their own questions in terms of who is in control? I mean, I was reading that air space has been closed there; communications are disrupted. What do you know about that?
[Pleitgen:] Well, yes, absolutely. I mean, the air space has been closed at the main airport in Crimea, in Simferopol. There's no planes apparently going in and out. The Russians always have a large military presence in Sevastopol in on the Crimean. They have a huge naval base there. It's home to their Black Sea fleet. There's always a number of warships and nuclear submarines, as well, which I saw only a couple of days ago. But they also have other military bases that support that large naval presence. So it's an absolutely key place for the Russians. Now what the Ukrainians are saying is that the Russians are flying in ever more forces, and that's what's causing the great concern.
[Blackwell:] All right. Fred Pleitgen for us there in Moscow. Fred, thanks. We'll check back.
[Paul:] We want to head now to Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, of course, and the epicenter of those anti-government and anti-Russian protests that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych. You see it's about 400 miles away from Crimea, which is the distance from New York to Pittsburgh. Just to kind of give us a good sense.
[Blackwell:] Yes. CNN's Ian Lee is there. Ian, how are people reacting to the news in Kiev of all that's happening in Crimea?
[Ian Lee, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Victor, the prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, had a cabinet meeting today, and he said that the disproportionate number of Russian troops in the Crimea is a sheer provocation, one, that he says the Russians hope to elicit a military reaction from Ukraine in order to make the Crimea a breakaway region. Well, the prime minister said that the Russians have failed, that the Ukrainian military will not be provoked in any such way, that they're not going to engage militarily in hopes for a diplomatic solution. They believe that those avenues are still open. That they are going to try to use those, as well. But he did have some strong words for the Russians, telling them that they need to go back to their bases, that they're not welcome, they need to go home, and that Ukraine that the Crimea is Ukrainian territory, Victor.
[Paul:] All right. CNN's Ian Lee in the capital of Ukraine. Thank you so much, Ian. We appreciate it. You know, one top U.S. lawmaker called the Russian movement an aggression. Congressman Mike Rogers we're talking about, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said and I want to quote him here "It appears that the Russian military now controls the Crimean Peninsula. This aggression is a threat not only to Ukraine, but to regional peace, and stability. Russia's latest action is yet another indicator that Vladimir Putin's hegemonic ambitions threaten U.S. interests and allies around the world."
[Blackwell:] Those actions Mike Rogers spoke about, he's talking about this: armed men patrolling the streets and the airports of Crimea. We've discussed it just a bit this morning so far. You know, they're not wearing any markings to show which country they're from.
[Paul:] Mm-hmm. CNN's Diana Magnay confronted one of those troops, trying to get some answers.
[Diana Magnay, Cnn Correspondent:] Can we ask you guys where you're from?
[Magnay:] You're from Russia?
[Blackwell:] Well, Diana Magnay is in Simferopol for us now in Ukraine. Diana, has there been any confirmation as to where these troops are from?
[Magnay:] None at all, no. They are now surrounding the parliament building, which is new, in a peaceful fashion, and the people here say that they are basically doing it for the safety of the people here in this part of Crimea, who are mostly Russian. But it is the fact that their vehicles have no number plates. They have no insignia. And they seem to be a sort of controlling force, operating with a very real presence alongside pro-Russian local units, self-defense units, whatever they may be, people who are wearing a Georgian ribbon, which is a symbol of Russian military valor, and who are acting alongside these masked gunmen. Now, these reports that there are 2,000, according to U.S. security officials, Russian military operating in Crimea, now the Ukrainian government says as many as 6,000. It's very hard to give you any kind of confirmation of that on the ground. It is not as though this capital city, Simferopol where I am, is riddled with armored personnel carriers or troops going around. No. They are in very specific locations. They are acting in a fairly low-key fashion, and it is impossible to tell you exactly who they are. But it is also hard to believe that they are anything other than Russian military because of their high level of organization, their efficiency, the weapons that they carry. And it would seem as though, behind the scenes, and with the help of those gunmen, Vladimir Putin is massaging the pro-Russian forces into this country, who are now led by a new leader, who was effectively put in to place two days ago in the parliament here. He's a pro-Russian guy. And so it's all sort of consolidating the pro-Russian position in this country, ahead of a referendum, when Crimea will decide whether or not they want to stay part of Ukraine or not.
[Paul:] OK. Diana Magnay, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Now, you know, the bottom line here, too, for us is Washington doesn't have a lot of options when it comes to the crisis in Crimea.
[Blackwell:] We're going to take a look at what the White House can do and what it might not be enough.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] And good morning, I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. U.S. troops on alert, jihadist rallying in online. This morning, Muslim extremists are issuing a worldwide call to retaliate for the so-called torture report. It's graphic revelations of how the CIA brutally interrogated some 911 terror suspects, could put Americans in the crosshairs, both at home and abroad. Just minutes from now, the House Speaker John Boehner is due to hold a news conference. When Mr. Boehner begins speaking, we'll take it live for you. The CIA's tactics described in chilling detail included including waterboarding, sleep deprivation and ice water baths and worse. The Senate committee concluded that the harsh tactics simply did not work in getting valuable intelligence. And the Justice Department says it will not reopen its inquiry into whether crimes were committed, raising new questions of accountability and blame. We're covering all angles of this from Capitol Hill to the Pentagon and beyond as this developing story unfolds. Let's begin our coverage today with Jim Acosta. He's at the White House. Good morning, Jim.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. And the White House has scheduled an early briefing this morning with reporters. That's scheduled to happen in about 45 minutes from now and I think this question about the torture report will be the question of the briefing for White House press Secretary Josh Earnest. Yesterday, the president defended the release of that torture report saying that mistakes were made, but former top White House CIA officials are coming forward and speaking out and they are defending their actions.
[Acosta:] It was stinging criticism for the CIA from a sitting president. In an interview with Telemundo, President Obama said the agency was wrong to use harsh interrogation techniques on terror detainees after the 911 attacks that amounted to torture.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States Of America:] I think in the midst of a national trauma and uncertainty as to whether these attacks were going to repeat themselves, what's clear is that the CIA set up something very fast without a lot of forethought to what the ramifications might be.
[Acosta:] The president was responding to Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein's damning report on CIA interrogations that said detainees were waterboarded, kept in dungeon conditions, while others were naked, hooded and dragged while being slapped and punched. The report said the agency misled the Bush administration about the program and that no CIA officer up to and including CIA directors briefed the president on the tactics before April, 2006. In response to the report, CIA Director John Brennan said the brutal tactics did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. Feinstein told CNN that's wrong.
[Sen. Dianne Feinstein  Intelligence Committee Chairwoman:] An examination of the records going back to the beginning of the program indicates that this is simply not true.
[Acosta:] But three former CIA directors say their program helped lead to the killing of Osama bin Laden. In an op-ed in the "Wall Street Journal," George Tenet, Michael Hayden and Porter Goss insisted they suspected bin Laden was plotting to blow up New York City with a nuclear weapon, adding it felt like the classic ticking time bomb scenario every single day. Many top Republicans accuse Feinstein of unleashing a political attack.
[Sen. John Thune,  South Dakota:] It's very clear this appears to be simply an attempt to rewrite history by the Democrats to bash the Bush administration.
[Acosta:] But one GOP senator, John McCain, a former prisoner of war, defended the report saying torture does not work.
[Sen. John Mccain  Arizona:] I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence.
[Acosta:] And as for the president's claim that those harsh interrogation tactics amount to torture, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest was asked this question yesterday, he said the president still stands by that claim. Carol.
[Costello:] All right. Jim Acosta reporting live from the White House this morning. As I said, U.S. troops around the world are bracing for the threat of terrorist retaliation to that so-called terror report. The Senate investigation steered by Democrat Dianne Feinstein detailed the CIA's brutal tactics to interrogate some 911 terror suspects. Here is Senator Feinstein reeling off a long laundry list of documented abuses.
[Feinstein:] An otherwise healthy detainee who was being held mostly nude and chained to a concrete floor died at the facility from what is believed to have been hypothermia. Detainees were subjected to the most aggressive techniques immediately. Stripped naked, diapered, physically struck and put in various painful stress positions for long periods of time. They were deprived of sleep for days. In one case up to 180 hours. That's seven and a half days. Over a week with no sleep. Usually standing or in stress positions. At times with their hands tied together over their heads, chained to the ceiling. CIA detainees at one facility described as a dungeon were kept in complete darkness, constantly shackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use for human waste. Interrogators and guards used what they called rough takedowns, in which a detainee was grabbed from his cell, clothes cut off, hooded and dragged up and down a dirt hallway while being slapped and punched. The CIA led several detainees to believe they would never be allowed to leave CIA custody alive, suggesting to Abu Zubaydah that he would only leave in a coffin-shaped box.
[Costello:] Now that the information has been made public, as I've told you, U.S. troops are on alert around the world. Barbara Starr is at the Pentagon to tell us more. Good morning.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. This has actually been going on since late last week when the Pentagon found out the report was about to be made public. I don't think it's a surprise to anybody that it was a lot of concern that there might be some sort of violent retaliation attack against U.S. interests. U.S. embassies, U.S. military bases, U.S. citizens around the world. So, contingency forces, mainly U.S. Marines for Africa and the Middle East, put on shorter alert so they would be ready to go faster if trouble did break out. It's interesting, 24 hours after the report has come out everything is quiet. We've talked to a number of military sources, they say they see no evidence of anything brewing. Everyone will stay on alert, everyone will remain very watchful. They are still concerned, but right now there doesn't appear to be an awful lot of reaction either on line, in social media or out on the street. Carol?
[Costello:] And that's a good thing. Barbara Starr reporting live from the Pentagon. While many Americans have been shocked by the actions included in that Senate torture report, some former intelligence officials are standing behind it. Earlier today, General Michael Hayden, the former director of the CIA, stood up for the program saying the spy agency was working for the American people.
[Gen. Michael Hayden, Fmr. Cia Director:] The way the nation speaks to us is the president authorizes something, we inform the Congress, the Attorney General says it's legal, and the director of CIA says "I think this is going to be effective, it's worth the candle." At that point you think you have got a social contract with the American people. Not with a particular administration. So what's happening now these folks having the rug pulled out from under them, people who thought they were doing what we wanted them to do, that's unprecedented?
[Costello:] General Hayden is not a happy man this morning. So, what else did he say? I'm joined by CNN investigative correspondent Chris Frates to tell us. Good morning.
[Chris Frates, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, good morning, Carol. I talked to James Mitchell yesterday. He's the reported architect of that interrogation program. Now, he couldn't confirm or deny that he's the psychologist mentioned in the report because he has a non-disclosure agreement with the government. But he had pretty strong feelings, calling the report "a partisan pile of bull." Of course he used a more colorful word that's not really suitable on TV. He also said that when the interrogation program was operating CIA officials were in a running gun battle with al Qaeda. It was a group they knew very little about and they did the best they could given the information they had, Carol.
[Costello:] They did the best they could given the information they had, but did he say that the tactics they used were right and that he'd do it again?
[Frates:] Well, he seemed to defend those interrogation techniques like waterboarding and sleep deprivation. He said "Nothing was done to those detainees that aren't done to our servicemen and women and women by our own training programs." He also says that he thinks we need to have a national discussion about torture and whether we should allow terrorists to lawyer up.
[Costello:] You know, some of the details in that report are so disturbing. Like the forced rectal feeding. He's for that?
[Frates:] Well, I mean that's right. And when I pushed him a little bit, he reminded me that he did sign a non-disclosure agreement with the government and I asked him about a firm that's mentioned in that report that paid him $80 million and I said it was, that in fact, your firm? He said he couldn't talk about that. But he did say that if the government really wanted to know the truth it would release him from the agreement. He says in that case he'd be happy to talk more, Carol.
[Costello:] I would love that and I'm sure many other Americans would as well. Chris Frates, thanks so much. As I mentioned, we're waiting for Speaker John Boehner to talk at any moment and when he does, when he gets behind that podium we'll bring it to you live. Also, still to come in the "NEWSROOOM" that ride to the airport might be cheaper but are you paying the price with your safety? We'll take a look at the Uber backlash just ahead.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Is the U.S. losing the war on ISIS? A grim conclusion from the FBI's top counterterrorism official, how he says the terrorists have pulled ahead. This as we learn new information about the ISIS executioner. Why he may have radicalized and did police miss their chance to stop him. Welcome back to EARLY START. I'm Christine Romans. It is 30 minutes past the hour. It is Friday morning. John Berman has the morning off. A dire prognosis in the battle against ISIS this morning, the FBI's top counterterrorism official testifying to lawmakers that America is in his words losing the battle to stop Islamic militants from spreading their violent message online.
[Michael Steinbach, Fbi Assistant Director, Counterterrorism Division:] The foreign terrorist now has direct access into the United States like never before. They know they can't travel so what they are doing is they are putting out a very effective propaganda message through social media, through lots of platforms, saying if you can't come to Syria, do something in the U.S. or western countries.
[Romans:] U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper was also on Capitol Hill Thursday painting an equally grim picture. CNN's Pamela Brown has more on that.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Good Morning, Christine. With Jihadi John, ISIS'high profile recruit now unmasked. This morning, U.S. law enforcement officials say they are focused on the terror group's influence to attract new followers here in the U.S. Law enforcement sources I've been speaking with say, we are going to keep seeing more ISIS related cases until the ISIS propaganda machine is shutdown, the machine that is fueling rapid recruitment in the U.S. That was a main topic of discussion among top law enforcement and officials on the Hill Thursday. In fact, U.S. Intelligence Chief James Clapper said in testimony on the Hill that you cannot shutdown the internet.
[James R. Clapper, Director Of National Intelligence:] The global attention and widespread support in extremist circles for these attacks probably will inspire additional extremists to conduct similar attacks.
[Brown:] He also said that 180 Americans have now tried to join the fight in Syria and that some have already returned to U.S. soil. In regards to the global threat, he said the final accounting is done, 2014 will have been the most lethal year for terrorism in the 45 years such data has been compiled, a very dire picture there -Christine.
[Romans:] All right, Pamela, thank you for that. We are learning much more this morning about the British accented voice of ISIS. The world has come to know as Jihadi John. Beyond his real name now confirmed by officials to be Mohammed Emwazi, a birth place in Kuwait and a privileged upbringing in London, prospects for a bright middle class future if things had turned out differently. But many questions remain. At the top of the list, what radicalized Emwazi? CNN's Isa Soares is standing by live in London. Isa, what do we know about his possible motivation for joining ISIS?
[Isa Soares, Cnn Correspondent:] Good morning, Christine. We are getting two thoughts here, two ideas behind the radicalization perhaps of why he made his way into Syria. One of those people talking is the Muslim-led, human rights group, Cage. They are the one that been in contact with Mohammed Emwazi known as Jihadi John. He got in contact with them in 2009. Because he said he told them he felt harassed by authorities. He tried to get in Tanzania, supposedly as a graduation gift from his parents to go on safari. As he went in, he was stopped by authorities and sent back and he was questioned. He was questioned why he was going on this trip. He was also questioned about what he thought about 911 and about 77. He said he felt harassed. He felt trapped. He felt like a prisoner. That is why he got in contact with them. That is one point of view, one piece of the puzzle as to why perhaps he may have radicalized. Cage believes that this is the reason behind the radicalization, but of course, that is one point. Questioned by authority makes you then go into Syria and be part of ISIS and behead people. Authorities obviously is being quoted as saying in papers that he had intentions prior to this and prior to the 2009 that he knew several people and links to Somalia. The intention of going to Tanzania wasn't part of a terror group or part to go on safari, but to build bridges to go into Somalia with Al- Shabaab. In fact, court papers, Christine, that we have been seeing, that the media has been reporting on today showed that he in fact had contact with other terror cells. The group calling the London Boys that include one that was killed in a missile strike in Mogadishu as well as two other men who tried to attack here on the public transport here in London. You are starting to get the picture of the networking behind it. But two very much ideas as to where and at what point he was radicalized. Not known. The family here is not talking. No one in fact is opening any doors. Cage tells us he was a simple, humble, and very normal family. People here very much shocked at the idea that one of their neighbors could in fact be "Jihadi John."
[Romans:] Wow. Isa Soares, so much still to learn too. Thank you so much for that. Isa for us in London. It's 35 minutes past the hour. Attorney General Eric Holder sits down with CNN to discuss "Jihadi John," the war on ISIS online radicalization. He will be on "NEW DAY" this morning at 7 a.m. Eastern Time. With only hours left before the Department of Homeland Security runs out of funding, the U.S. Senate is set to vote beginning this morning on a funding bill that meet a key Democratic demand. Namely it's a bill that does not also block President Obama's executive actions on immigration. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has promised a separate vote on immigration. On the House side, the ticking clock had tempers flaring. The number two Democrat, Steny Hoyer, calling House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy a coward for cutting off his microphone mid debate. Hoyer later apologized. With the latest on the funding countdown, let's bring in White House correspondent, Michelle Kosinski Michelle.
[Michelle Kosinski, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Hi, Christine. Well, here we are hours away from the Department of Homeland Security running out of funding, which would mean that essential employees would have to go to work but not be paid despite their mortgages and bills to pay. Tens of thousands of other employees would be furloughed. This is all over, of course, a political battle. At this point, the Senate looks like it is poised to vote on a clean bill. It would fund the Department of Homeland Security, but not tie it to simultaneously defunding the executive action on immigration. The House though, there is a lot of Republican opposition to this. The House Speaker John Boehner had this unusual reaction to the continued barrage of questions on this subject.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] When they make decisions, I'll let you know.
[Kosinski:] It is unclear if the House will take up a vote on this clean bill. The White House is putting the responsibility squarely on John Boehner's shoulders saying that this is not even a partisan dispute anymore. This is a party dispute accusing Republican leadership of falling down on the job. And saying, really, the hard work has already been done on deciding the level of funding. The White House urging Republicans to, as they put it, take the responsible course now Christine.
[Romans:] Michelle Kosinski at the White House, thank you for that, Michelle. The IRS targeting scandal could turn into a criminal matter. The watchdog overseeing the IRS confirms the disappearance of the former official, Lois Lerner, e-mails may involve criminal activity. The Congress requested those e-mails from Lerner to determine whether agents targeted Tea Party groups applying for non-profit status. The e-mails were thought to be lost in an e-mail crash. Some of those e- mails were recovered. Loretta Lynch is now a step closer to becoming America's next attorney general replacing Eric Holder. The Senate Judiciary Committee voting 12-8 Thursday to send her nomination to the full Senate for confirmation. If Lynch is confirmed, she will become the first African-American woman to serve in that position. Regulators have voted for equal internet, now prepare for a fight, these new rules known as net neutrality will give equal opportunity for internet access and speeds on all web sites. That means network owners like Comcast and Time Warner Cable can't slow delivery of certain sites and charge providers for faster access. It's a huge win for Facebook, Twitter, AOL, the list goes on. Netflix called the decision a win for consumers. But internet service providers like AT&T and Comcast, they don't want additional rules. And they've warned a legal fight to challenge this is coming. What does this mean for you as you watch "House Of Cards?" Well, the rules will not be official until this summer. If upheld, there are rules against content discrimination. It means the government is regulating the internet like other public utilities. Like water and electricity and internet. The provider cannot purposely slow down your Netflix streaming. Happening now, the search for several missing Canadian teenagers who may have been lured to Syria by ISIS online, what we are learning next this morning.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, everyone. I'm Don Lemon. Breaking news tonight. I'm live in Missouri.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Don, it's great to have you on the ground out there. I'm Alisyn Camerota here in New York.
[Lemon:] We have all the breaking details for you. I want to tell you now about police. We're hearing now that the police officer's name will be released tomorrow, the man who shot Michael Brown. We're hearing that here from Ferguson tonight. I want you to take a look around, though, before we get to the breaking news. Look around us. This is not a war zone. These are people who have gathered here peacefully. They want some tough questions answered. They have gathered here with signs. And they're here with a number of people who can talk to us about what is going on. We have to answer a lot of questions. Number one, do we want our police to be armed with military equipment? And number two about race in America, where more and more black men feel as if they have targets on their backs. Do we want our citizens to feel that way, Alisyn?
[Camerota:] And, Don, just to catch everyone up, Michael Brown was shot five days ago there in Ferguson. But we still don't know exactly what happened. We don't know who started the fight or who pulled the trigger on that initial shot. When will we get those answers? We're going to get into all of that tonight. So let's go back to Don Lemon live in Ferguson.
[Lemon:] All right, thank you very much, Alisyn. Joining me now is a man who has been in charge of security now, and that is Captain Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol. Also with us is Chief Jon Belmar of the Saint Louis county police department. And with us as well is major Ronnie Robinson of the Saint Louis City Police Department. We have everyone here who knows about the investigation. Again, before we get into all of that, it is a very different scene here. People feel that they can express themselves. They don't feel like they're in an occupied zone. What is going on tonight that makes it different?
[Capt. Ron Johnson, Missouri State Highway Patrol:] Well, I think that we have a different approach that we're using this evening. And I think people are out here expressing their feelings, seeing old friends, sharing emotions, sharing pain, but also talking how we can heal and how we need to get better and holding people accountable. And the people they're holding accountable are the people that are standing here in front of you today.
[Lemon:] Can you tell me the breaking news at the top of the show is that they're going to release the name of the police officer who shot Michael Brown. What do you know about that?
[Jon Belmar, St. Louis County, Missouri, Police Chief:] I know that's been discussed. That's been a topic for the last two days on the timing on that, when it's going to happen. There's a lot of dynamics around that. I think it's not unusual to withhold those names. But I think in this case there has been some serious talk between the prosecuting attorney's office and the Ferguson Police Department on the timing of when that is going to happen. So I do think we're probably going to learn something in the next day or so. As far as I know, it's not happened tonight.
[Lemon:] It's not happening tonight. But we're hearing that it will happen tomorrow. Is that a possibility?
[Belmar:] Right. So that's very unusual. But with the everything going on here, it's been discussed at the very highest levels. And that's a decision that the Ferguson Police Department will be making. I'm sure they're getting that in order right now.
[Lemon:] Can you tell us where we are in the investigation now?
[Belmar:] So we have talked about that quite a bit. But the investigation is being completed right now. One of the struggles that we had was making sure that certain things came into the investigation, witnesses, different evidence that had to be analyzed. One of the things we'd like to do is go back seven days later, or eight days later, rather, and take a look at it again to try to capture anybody that could have been there at the time. We want to talk to everybody. And then eventually, everybody, every shred of evidence, every witness statement, every piece of evidence will be presented to a grand jury so they can look at it. And they will make that determination.
[Lemon:] Sergeant, we have been watching. I have been here all afternoon. I have seen the crowd building. People have been coming up to me saying, thank you guys for being here. We're so happy that you're here. We feel different. We don't feel intimidated now. There is traffic backed up for a mile in both directions, and hundreds, if not thousands of people are out here. What is different tonight? Why does this feel so different?
[Maj. Ronnie Robinson, City Of St. Louis Police Department:] Because we came out and we engaged the crowd. We engaged the community. We have been talking to a lot of people all day. We started early this evening, talking to people when they were expressing themselves about the tragedy that happened in the community. We want them to know that we're just as concerned about what happened as they are. We want peace. They have a right to protest. If they want to protest 24 hours a day, they can do that. We're going to be right here with them, making sure that everything is peaceful. And we feel the pain in the community and we want to find out other things that may be in the underlying surface that we can address to try to heal the community.
[Lemon:] Captain, but we don't want to get ahead of ourselves. This is still a potentially volatile situation?
[Johnson:] You know, I think anything can change. But, you know, today I see a lot peace. I see a lot of smiles. I smiled more today than have I in the last few days. I'm not thinking what could be. I'm thinking about what is.
[Lemon:] What happened last night?
[Johnson:] You know, I'm not going talk about last night. But I can tell you, when I went to bed last night, I prayed for a better day, and we have got a better day. And don't want to live last night. And then I won't have to go down on my knees and say the prayer I said last night again.
[Lemon:] What about the military-type tactics and equipment that we saw last night? That was a big concern. I know you don't want to talk about it, but I have to ask you the question.
[Johnson:] I tell you, we have changed that. We have taken gas masks off. You're not seeing officers with gas masks on their legs. And we're not going to they're not going to put them back on. But I can tell you, we will protect the safety of the people in this community. We will protect the health and welfare of the small business owners in this business, because I can tell you, I walk down the street and saw my favorite barbecue restaurant with boards on it. And that's a small business person that makes our community. And there are several small businesses that make this community. And when this is over, I'm going to ride up and down this roadway and go to those restaurants and the bars down the street and have me a beer or two. And so we are going to preserve that. And this is my community. I walked down here and saw people from my church, people I went to school with and people that I feel that are a part of this. And the frustration is in my household too. I have got a young son that is 21 and a daughter that is 23. And I have to answer the same questions that the parents out here have to answer.
[Lemon:] And those are?
[Johnson:] Can my son and daughter walk the streets and feel safe? Can my son and daughter walk with pride? And I'm going to make sure I do everything that they can have that. Michael Brown's parents, I can't imagine losing a son. And my heart goes out to them. And I guarantee you that everyone here will have a chance to speak their mind. They can stay as long as they want. The only thing that I ask, that we keep our streets clear. But if you want to stand on the sidewalk, you want to stand in this lot, you can stay as long as you want.
[Lemon:] I noticed that today, and I noticed, because I was actually in New York on the anchor desk last night watching the unrest happen here. But when I walked up today, there was no fear. Have you been out speaking to people, and what are they telling you?
[Belmar:] You know, the interesting thing about tonight is there is a lot of energy here tonight, but it's positive energy. And that's a new thing. We saw a lot of energy over the last few nights, but it wasn't positive like it is today. There has been a true change. There really has been.
[Lemon:] Are you saying is this an admission from you that the tactics were that police handled the last couple of nights wrong?
[Belmar:] I would like to explain that a little bit, though. The energy here is better. But regardless of the optics and I had an opportunity to talk to Reverend Sharpton this morning, and he called me at home. The optics are not pretty. And if you're here personally over the last few nights, you have seen that. What we're proud of, though, is, not one protester, not one rioter, and most importantly the people that live in this community have been seriously injured during this. So I'm sorry about the optics. I understand that. But this positive energy here tonight, it is really it encourages me.
[Lemon:] But the citizens are saying, listen, there is always one in a crowd. And the citizens are saying that they are the ones who are being intimidated by police. And they feel like they were positive for the most part, but officers weren't positive.
[Belmar:] I understand the perception in the community about that. I honestly do. And, again, we just want to build on the atmosphere here tonight to make sure that everything stays as safe as it possibly can.
[Lemon:] What does not only Ferguson, but North County and police municipalities around this area need to do? Because there are many people who live in the Missouri area who say they feel like they're under they're in militarized zones, that they're occupied. What do they need to do? The police do police need to reflect the community that they serve in?
[Robinson:] I believe in true diversity. I do. I think a police department should reflect the community that they serve. And I think that should be part of the strategies as far as every agency and every police department throughout the United States, so people will know the cultures of different people. All kind of people make a community. And if you got people in your agency that know the culture already, we can spread that type of knowledge amongst all officers so we can build a rapport and trust with the community again.
[Lemon:] Captain, what do you want people to know? Because people are watching around we're being simulcast around the world. What do you want people to know about the whole world is watching Ferguson.
[Johnson:] I want people to know that the reason we're out here today, the reason we're hurting, the reason we know we need to make some changes and make our community better, and I don't want it lost, I don't want it lost, is because of this young man right here there. It's not about personal egos. It's not about it's about right it's about the justice for everyone. And we need to make sure that everyone feels that way. But I don't want anybody out here to forget that this is why we're here. We're not going to always agree. We're not going to always agree, but I can tell you that if our intent is to make things better, and it's sure that our kids know that they're going grow up in a better place and that their voice means something, no matter what your race, no matter what your age is. So let's not forget this. Even in our anger, in our toughest moments, when we're at our height, when we're just so angry, let's remember this as a calming force.
[Lemon:] Someone just handed you that picture in the crowd. But as you say that, yet we stand here, and there is a burned-out convenience store and gas station. That's not how you want this area to be remembered, I'm sure.
[Belmar:] You know what? I grew up here too and went to restaurants and gyms right down the street. I don't want to see this happen to this area. I have friends who live down here. We used to buy cars down here.
[Lemon:] Can I ask you something? Finish your thought.
[Belmar:] Bottom line is, this area means something to all of us. And what I want to see happen at the end of this is for this community to be rebuilt, be vibrant, and for the good people that live here to be able to enjoy their commerce and conveniences.
[Lemon:] So people here and around the country believe that many whites in this country don't understand the relationship between blacks, especially black men, young black men, and police, and there needs to be some rebuilding. What do you say to that, as a white officer here?
[Belmar:] I say that regardless of how good we are of building bridges, regardless of how we are how good we communicate, that it's important that we always strive to do a better job. It's important that we have diversity in our work force. It's important that I make sure that commanders are selected on the department that represent our community, especially our African- American community. And that's happening.
[Lemon:] Is there a disconnect, do you think, though?
[Belmar:] You know what? I think that depends where you are and the circumstance we find ourselves in. But I see less of a disconnect now than I did 28 years ago. And I hope that continues to change.
[Lemon:] Do you have a message to the family, especially, Chief, especially since you're handling the investigation? And I'm sure they may be watching tonight.
[Belmar:] My goodness, I'm a father too. But I tell you what. I spent seven years as the lieutenant in charge of homicide. And at the end of the day, we work for the victims, and we work for the victims' families. And we try to be their voice, because, at this point in time, we perhaps are the only voice they have left.
[Lemon:] And, so, listen, we're standing. We're surrounded by people. They came when you walked up. These people were here hugging you. They weren't hugging the officers for the past week, past four or five days.
[Johnson:] I tell you what. I'm filled with a lot of pride.
[Lemon:] What is the difference, though? Why are they responding to you so differently?
[Johnson:] Because I think they know what that I'm telling them is true, that my feelings are true and my feelings are honest. And I made a promise. And I made a promise about integrity. Integrity is something I can't get back. Trust is something that is hard to gain, but easy to lose. And I think I have got their trust. And I am going to do everything I can to maintain their trust. And each morning, we're going have an interview, we're going have a news interview, press conference, and we're going to talk about facts and what is going on. And they're going know what is going on. If they have got questions, I will give them answers.
[Lemon:] Is it important that the officer's name be released? Because a lot of people are demanding it, transparency.
[Johnson:] I think it's important that we have open dialogue between each other and that information is given out, because, without information given out, then we come up with our own answers. And if there is a feeling that someone feels that it was me and my name would be given out, then that feeling has to be the same on the other end.
[Lemon:] As a black officer in this area, do you think there is a disconnect between the African-American community and the police?
[Robinson:] I think that depends on the individuals. You know, you got individuals that can communicate with anybody, no matter what color or race they are, whatever age they are. You have to be professional at all times. And, as commanders, we to make sure that our officers are trained properly and that they know how to communicate and understand that you need to get to learn a people and know a people before you can just order and tell them what to do. You have got to give respect in order to get respect. And that's what we have been doing all day long since we hit the ground out here is giving respect to the citizens out here. I want to hear your story. I want to know what else is going on also. The event, the platform that started this whole thing and ignited this has the world's eye on us right now. We cannot let this be for vain. We cannot get involved in violence, looting, hurting and stealing and killing and hurting one another. We got to let everybody know that we can be organized and we got a point of view to express through the justice system. There needs to be transparency. There needs to be justice. And if any wrongdoing was done, we need to take care of that issue and we need to take care of it correctly.
[Lemon:] Listen, there is some very real concern, and I spoke to these guys about it, about the military equipment that these police departments are getting from the government because of the overflow from Iraq and from Afghanistan. And these are these police departments look like they are members of the military. People feel like they are being occupied. That is a real concern. What's going should that be happening?
[Johnson:] You know, you have to understand and look at every case, every case, every scenario differently and see what it poses as far as a threat and danger to the community. We got individuals that travel our streets with the same weapons. So we are to arm ourselves and be prepared to handle those type of situations. And we have to be smart and professional about when we utilize that type of weaponry. So there is a reason to have it and there are reasons not to use it at certain times. And we need to be professional enough to understand that.
[Lemon:] OK. The captain said that he is going to give a press conference every single day and give as much information as possible. Can we get that promise when it comes to the investigation? Because, again, it's about transparency, Chief.
[Belmar:] Yes, it is. And the bottom line is, I spoke about it just about 24 hours ago, just about the investigation, what the process was going to be. And the prosecuting attorney spoke about it at length yesterday. So we're trying to get a timeline out there to know what people expect, know what the process is, and so they understand that transparency, because there will be an answer at the end of the day.
[Lemon:] Have you in the beginning, many witnesses had not been interviewed. Where are you in that process?
[Belmar:] So we think we're probably at the tail end of that process. But we want to make sure that if anybody is out there that has a voice in this investigation, it's our responsibility to identify them, hear them, and present that to that grand jury.
[Lemon:] Where are we as far as whether Michael Brown was the alleged altercation that supposedly happened in the car, what do we know than? Because we had two witnesses on last night who said they saw Michael Brown trying to get away from the officer, and the officer was trying to hold him back in the car. And then once Michael Brown got away, he went about 25, 30 feet and then the officer kept firing, even though he had his hands up in the surrender position, kept firing even as he lay on the ground, until he died.
[Belmar:] That's an outstanding question. And I know that people want answers to that. But until I even have a clear answer of the entire story from talking to all the witnesses and reviewing all the reports, I don't have the ability to answer that right now. But I do appreciate the question.
[Johnson:] I got to tell you, when we have these answers, we will give those answers. And when we have answers to give, we will give answers. It's my hope when I stand up there each day and talk to you, I have something to tell you, I have some information to give out, because what I don't is for rumors to be the answer. We need facts.
[Lemon:] Even the president speaking out about this situation, of course, talking about the family of Michael Brown and talking about members of the police department. What do you make of the president's were you able to listen to the president's comments today?
[Johnson:] I have not heard it today. I'm sure I will watch it when I get home tonight.
[Lemon:] Were you able to listen?
[Robinson:] Yes, I was. I think the president was on point with his views and his concerns. And I really heard the word transparency when he spoke. We have to have transparency. We have to. But we also have to have patience. And this investigation is going to be so important to the whole world that we have to be very meticulous with it. We have to dot all our I's and cross all our T's and let the public know as we move along and what develops and let them know and give them the information that need that they're concerned about.
[Lemon:] Guys, thank you. Sir, I'm so happy to be here today and be to be able to tell this story and to witness the difference and the change that has happened just over the last couple of hours. And, again, still, I would think you would agree with me, we're not out of the woods yet, because it's still a potentially volatile situation. But it certainly is a marked change from before. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate you joining us. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. And, listen, I want to tell everybody just before they go, they walked up just a couple minutes before we went on the air. I wasn't sure I was going to have them on the air. And then and when they walked up, the crowd just gathered around them. And you could feel the support. They're around us not because necessarily they want to be on television, not because necessary by they're angry. They're around us because they're supporting this captain and they're supporting the people here. And they just want their voices to be heard. Also in the crowd with me tonight is CNN's Jake Tapper. Jake, I can't see you, but where are you and what are you seeing?
[Jake Tapper, Cnn Chief Washington Correspondent:] I'm down the street, Don. As has been noted, it is a peaceful demonstration going on here, although a boisterous one as well, no violence, none of the militaristic items that we saw from police in previous days. In fact, the police presence seems relatively minimal. They have been blending in with the crowd, a lot of people out talking about wanting, needing justice for the family of Michael Brown, a lot of people holding up their hands with the chant, don't shoot hands up, don't shoot, repeating, replicating what Michael Brown is said to have done that night, as the story goes, that he had his hands up when he was shot, although, of course, as the officers noted, there is still much about that night that we don't know. Just to give people an idea of the geography here, you are down there about a block away. This is Canfield, the street behind me. This is the street on which Michael Brown was visiting his grandmother. And it's a street about a block that way where he was shot and killed on Saturday. But, as you can see, this has become an event nightly. And tonight it is an event that is I wouldn't say it's jubilant at all, because people are protesting, but it is much less fearful than it has been in previous nights. People are holding up their hands. There is a sense of community here. It is a relatively diverse group. You do see whites, African-Americans, Latinos, grandmothers, children. There are some New Black Panthers here who have been helping to keep traffic flowing. There are other groups with bandannas around their face. They say that's in solidarity with the Internet hackers Anonymous, who have been supportive of their cause, they say. That's the reason. In any case, so far, we seem to have avoided detection by the crowds, which is stunning to me. But there are people right now behind us saying, "Hands up, don't shoot." I don't know why that Chucky doll is there. That's odd in any case, Don, back to you.
[Lemon:] Thank you. Thank you. Jake, thank you very much. And, Alisyn, I do have to say that the moment I got here, it was a little bit tense driving in then. But once I got into the crowd, it was interesting because we all that we have seen on television for the past couple days is fear, fear, fear, and violence, violence, violence. I didn't feel any of that. Just to be honest with you, the only thing people wanted to do here is to be heard, to be felt that their voices were heard. They wanted to know that people understood their feelings, that they felt intimidated, they felt they were occupied by a police force. They were tired of discrimination happening over just over years and years and years. I have lived in this community. So I know the disconnect between the police department's police officers and the community. I didn't feel any of that fear, people walking up to me saying, thank you, I'm so glad that you're here. Please tell our story. It's all in the handling of the situation.
[Camerota:] Yes. Don, I agree. I was going ask you how much of a role you think Captain Johnson has had. He seems like such a voice of reason.
[Lemon:] Huge. Huge.
[Camerota:] And from the moment that he had that press conference this afternoon, during which he said, we are in this together, he said, I'm going to be in the crowd tonight.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Camerota:] We're all in it together. And the fact that he comes from that community, he seems like a real voice of reason. And it seems like he in particular has changed the tone since last night.
[Lemon:] Yes. You know, when you say when you and I met, and I said, you know what? I can relate to you. You can relate to me. That's what people and, listen, don't get me wrong. I think there is a difference in that he is African-American and people want to see someone who is in a position of authority, especially a police officer, who looks like them, who relates to them, who understands their plight...
[Camerota:] Right.
[Lemon:] ... and who doesn't treat them like they are some criminal on the street before they before before they find out exactly what is going on. They want to know that someone understands their story and gives them the benefit of the doubt. The same benefit of the doubt that you give a police officer, you should give that same benefit of the doubt to an unarmed young black man, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Of course. And, Don, that raises the issue of the disparity in the Ferguson Police Department, why there are only three black officers, when the population is 63 percent black. So we're going to get into all of that, Don.
[Lemon:] Right.
[Camerota:] And I can't wait to hear more of what you experienced today and what people have been telling you on the street. So stick around, because, when we come back, tomorrow and you just heard it there police say they will identify the officer who shot the unarmed black teenager Michael Brown. So when will we get some more answers? We're going to speak to a man whose family has long been involved in the struggle for civil rights, Martin Luther King III.
[Lemon:] Look at that. It looks like a burned-out relic of a war zone. It wasn't that way that's the QuikTrip behind me. It wasn't that way on Saturday when Michael Brown and his family left here walking towards his apartment building. Since then, it has become the place where protesters gather, and also where the media is gathering as well. Again, it's a QuikTrip. Not far down the street is where Michael Brown lives. If you can see the red light over there, just a couple of yards, couple hundred yards that way, read this. "Don't shoot. Don't shoot our youth, our future."

[Stephen Harper, Prime Minister Of Canada:] It will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts to work with our allies around the world and fight against the terrorist organizations who brutalizes those in other countries.
[Blitzer:] The Canadian prime minister, Stephen Harper, speaking out about Canada's resolve in following yesterday's shocking attack. Joining us now from Long Island, New York, is Republican Congressman Peter King. He's a member of the House Homeland Security Committee, as well as the Intelligence Committee. Congressman, the prime minister of Canada says this was an act of terror. Do you have any reason to doubt that?
[Rep. Peter King, R-new York:] No, Wolf. The more evidence that comes in made it, to me, more and more clear that this was an act of Islamic terrorism. The question would be, was he acting on his own, was he acting in concert with others or do we have a loose confederation with other Islamists. There's no doubt to me that right now this is an act of Islamist terrorism.
[Blitzer:] So but did he was he simply inspired by what he was reading on the Internet or was he actively being coordinated, getting information from various sources out there, whether ISIS or some other terrorist group?
[King:] Wolf, right now we don't know yet. It's very seldom that someone is an absolute lone wolf. I know we use that term a lot, but I would say, in many of these cases, you find that the so-called lone wolf actually knows other who are involved in the movement. Some may take direction. They just may have a loose alliance. So it's a combination of being inspired, of meeting with others. And now I understand, you know, just from your own reporting, CNN's own reporting, that he has had contact, over the last several months, with other pro-Islamists and that's one of the reason why his passport was taken away. So I wouldn't say that right now, again, you know, we don't know, but I would doubt, that he has been acting entirely on his own. He may have carried out these particular actions on his own, but I would say that he's been in contact with other jihadists over the last several months and they inspire one another, they probably share ideas with one another. So I would, right now, if I had to bet, I'd say that's what it's going to turn out to be. But again, you know, there could be more to it, there could be less. But at the very least, he is some sort of Islamic jihadist.
[Blitzer:] Well, your committee oversees the Department of Homeland Security, the intelligence community, the intelligence committee that you serve under.
[King:] Right.
[Blitzer:] What lessons do you think the U.S. should be learning about what happened in Ottawa yesterday?
[King:] It should be a wakeup to the American people, to the media. I think the people in the intelligence and law enforcement communities already have known how dangerous the threat from ISIS is. And the threat not just from ISIS itself, but for those it may inspire or those who may ally themselves with ISIS. I mean, to me, I don't think it's just a coincidence that after Canada agreed to join with us in the air strikes and after ISIS was putting out statements that in the last three days we've seen, you know, the two attacks on the Canadian military. So we are very concerned about both Canada and the United States, who could be a so-called lone wolf in this country. He was either acting alone or inspired. What actual attacks would be planned against the U.S. Remember, there's 2,500 Europeans who are in ISIS who can travel to the U.S. without getting a visa. There's a number of Americans who have gone over who can come back and fight without come back here on their own American passports and so we have got to be concerned about and those who just could be supporters here that we don't know about. And that's why it's so important, Wolf, I know the Canadian prime minister was saying that, you know, they may have to change their laws. I don't think we have to change our laws in this country. I just think we have to put aside a lot of the political correctness because we can have all the technology in the world and that's important and that's been hurt, by the way, by the Snowden disclosures, it's made it harder for us to intercept what's happening overseas and when terrorist overseas could be making contacts here in this country that's harder to follow because they changed their methods. But also I think we have to see increased surveillance similar to what the NYPD was doing in the Muslim community. So we'll have a head start as to who might be a so-called lone wolf, or what small groups could be working together. Because, again, you know, you can look on the Internet to see what they're saying, but they've learned not always to go on the Internet. And that's why it's important, like in the Boston massacre, if the Boston Police had been told what the FBI knew, they may well have been able to stop the Boston Marathon bombing because they would have known what was going on in the mosque where the older Tsarnaev brother was preaching jihad.
[Blitzer:] All right. And we only have a few seconds, so very quickly.
[King:] Sure.
[Blitzer:] Do you have confidence that President Obama and his administration are doing the right things right now on this specific counterterror issue?
[King:] Yes, I would have confidence in the CIA, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security, that they, left to their own device, will get this job done. We can't let political correctness interfere. But, yes, they will do all that they can do.
[Blitzer:] Peter King, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, the Homeland Security Committee, thanks very much for joining us.
[King:] Wolf, thank you.
[Blitzer:] Ottawa, the day after. Lawmakers, they are now back at work, but the shooting rampage certainly has shaken the country to its core as Canada lost some of its innocence. We're going to speak to a Canadian reporter who's on the scene. And the attack in Canada's capital certainly rattling nerves on both sides of the border. We're going to find out what U.S. border patrol agents are now doing to tighten security on the American side of the border with Canada.

[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Good evening, everyone. We're live tonight in Washington, D.C., where with the clock winding down and four hours to go for the debt ceiling deadline, finally, the Senate is voting on a deal to reopen the government and averted a debt default. It's expected to pass and then go on to the House. Some people who work in the building behind me will probably call this a victory, others will breathe a sigh of relief, and this being Washington there are surely some self-congratulations. But now here we are after 16 days of a government shutdown and for what? All the American people really got out of this was a further erosion of their faith in the people they put in office and one gigantic price tag. Today Standard & Poor's estimated that the shutdown has taken $24 billion out of the American economy. $24 billion so far. And the Senate deal is not the end of the story by any stretch of the imagination. If only it only funds the government through the middle of January and extends the debt ceiling only through the middle of February. So we'll see you back here in winter possibly having the same conversation. Let's hope not. As for this round today House Speaker John Boehner said, quote, "We fought the good fight, we just didn't win." And Senator Ted Cruz, in the run-up to tonight's votes, kept the rhetoric fiery right up until the end, calling the Senate agreement a, quote, "terrible deal," praising the hard line Republicans in the House as a, quote, "profile encourage," and of course getting in another slam at Obamacare.
[Sen. Ted Cruz , Texas:] Imagine after the House Republicans stood together with the American people, if all 46 Senate Republicans have stood together and said, we are united against the train wreck that is Obamacare. We are united with the American people that if President Obama is going to give an exemption for big business, for members of Congress, that the American people deserve that very same exemption. I want you to imagine, Mr. President, if Senate Republicans have stood together and simply supported House Republicans and the American people.
[Cooper:] Our chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash joins me now live. So, Dana, what's happening right now? What's the latest?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] The latest is that the Senate is voting on the second and final vote to formally send this deal, this bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling over to the House. The vote the initial vote was huge, hugely bipartisan, approved overwhelmingly, 83-16. So only 16 Republicans voted no on this, and some of the people who voted no, and in fact most of them you probably wouldn't be shocked at, obviously Ted Cruz is one of them and several Republicans who have some primary challenger who have already announced that they want to take their to take their Senate seats but as they're challenging them from the right, from within their own party. So that's not surprising that they voted no. So again, it's going to be onto the House. We do expect them to vote tonight, Anderson, and then it will go to the president's desk. So as you said, after all of this, after the roller coaster ride, after the twist and turns and the and the real split within the Republican Party, this is passing overwhelmingly in the Senate and it is leaving a lot of scars here on Capitol Hill.
[Cooper:] All right. Dana, thanks very much. A lot going on tonight. We'll get back to you later. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham has been venting frustration about what he calls the little leverage that his party was left with approaching this deal and also about where his party is heading today. The senator wrote on Twitter, quote, "We could have done much, much better. By the time we got to this point we were playing poker only holding a pair of twos." And this, quote, "To say we as Republicans left a lot on the table would be one of the biggest understatements in American political history." Senator Lindsey Graham joins me now. Quite a tweet there.
[Sen. Lindsey Graham , South Carolina:] Well, it's true. I mean, we could have repealed the medical device tax. We could have done a lot of things that would have been good for the country but by the time we made a deal we're at 75 percent disapproval. It's not a whole lot of leverage when 75 percent of the people don't like what you're doing.
[Cooper:] So those polls really had an impact?
[Graham:] Well, you can't let 20 or 30 polls cloud your thinking, apparently. Of course they had an Of course they had an impact and to the people on my side who think this turned out to be a good idea, I just think that's not reality.
[Cooper:] John Boehner said we fought the good fight. Was this a good fight?
[Graham:] Well, you know, I love John Boehner. And the thing I like about John is he was trying to bring sanity at the end. It really hurt me to see him not be able to get something out of the House to that would have been a lot better than this, but 60 percent of the American people want to fire every incumbent. My party is at 24 percent. The president is not doing very well. The Democrats moved the goalpost twice. I can understand in general discuss with everybody and I can understand why we suffered the most.
[Cooper:] So when Senator Cruz came out today and said look, not only did we fight the good fight, but we accomplished stuff. We accomplished them. Was anything accomplished in all this?
[Graham:] Number one, the debt wasn't affected at all. Obamacare wasn't changed in any real measure. Our numbers went down, and if you think those polls are wrong you're kidding yourself. The president was AWOL I thought during the time of national crisis. Harry Reid kept moving the goalpost when we tried to get a deal. So everybody lost. So I just don't see if you like this movie, maybe a sequel is being in the mix now for January. If we do this again in January, we all should just
[Cooper:] Well, I mean, is this is the can just being kicked in the road here?
[Graham:] Totally. Name one thing in this deal that changed the underlying faults in Obamacare that we in a bipartisan fashion agree with. Name one thing in this bill that changed the course of this country becoming Greece over time. But this is the best Mitch could do because we overplayed our hands so badly. By the end we had just a pair of twos. But it's not about us winning or losing or the Democrats win or losing, it's about the country suffering under a dysfunctional system. Our system up here is completely broken and you get second chances in life very seldom. We'll have a second chance between now and January to prove to the American people the Republican Party can govern and the Congress can address the problems that face us all.
[Cooper:] Did those who said to their constituents we're going to defund Obamacare, we're going to we're going to delay it, we're and were fundraising off it, were they lying?
[Graham:] No, I don't know if they were lying. I'm not going to question their motives but I know it wasn't possible. There are a lot of people sincerely upset with Obamacare. Think it's bad for their business, bad for the economy, bad for the American health care system. There are a lot of people really afraid about what's going on in Washington and to stoke their fear and to create unreasonable expectations about what you can do really is not the way to go. It was never possible to get President Obama to repeal, defund or delay a signature issue. We have a small majority in the House, we have a minority in the Senate and Obamacare, the guy whose bill is named after still in the White House. I never understood how this could end well for us.
[Cooper:] So what happens now? I mean, the deadlines are pushed back, the government reopens, there's supposed to be now negotiations. Do you think without this threat of catastrophe, there will be real negotiations?
[Graham:] Well, I think there is a wakeup call. There has been a wakeup call for us, I hope. I think it has been. I see some people in my party talking in a more practical form regarding conservativism. Democrats know they didn't really shine, either. So between now and January maybe we could come up with a deal to reform entitlements, flatten out the tax code and take small steps but significant steps toward changing America and find a way to deal with Obamacare where there is a bipartisan agreement that the plan is not working. For two weeks it's been a disaster and you haven't talked much about Obamacare as failures because we got in the way of that story. We've done more to elevate Obamacare in the last two weeks than any Democrat could have hoped of.
[Cooper:] It's actually gone up in the polls.
[Graham:] Yes, it has.
[Cooper:] Despite this roll out which has been
[Graham:] It's been
[Cooper:] Obviously
[Graham:] This has been a debacle for us but the good news, I guess politically, Obamacare will be a debacle long after this shutdown is over. By next summer, if there are not changes in this law Democrats are going to come to us and say help us change it, if we all just get out of the way.
[Cooper:] Lindsey Graham, appreciate you being with us.
[Graham:] Thank you.
[Cooper:] Thank you, Senator. I know you got to go vote. Appreciate it.
[Graham:] Yes. That's right.
[Cooper:] I want to go to Dana Bash, also checking in. Dana, just what's going on?
[Bash:] We're waiting for the vote to end. We have some senators who haven't voted, maybe one of them is standing with you right now and is going back into the building behind you to cast a vote, so we're just waiting for that final number. One other thing that I wanted to tell you, maybe there is a little bit of optimism. I know I said that earlier to Lindsey Graham, there's a light at the end of the tunnel and he told me no, that's a train coming towards you. But I actually think that this is interesting, and that is tomorrow morning the House Budget chair, Republican, Paul Ryan, the Senate budget chair, a Democrat, Patty Murray, are going to meet. They're going to have breakfast together and they're going to let the cameras in to see it, we believe. But more importantly they're going to have their first meeting to start to look ahead at trying to work out the nation's fiscal problems or at least at the very minimum, get a budget for next year. So what we're going through right now doesn't happen. So that is a positive sign. We have not seen that kind of meeting at all this year or the year before and both parties absolutely can be blamed for that.
[Cooper:] Dana Bash, appreciate it. Thanks very much, Dana. We're joined now by chief national correspondent John King, political analysts Gloria Borger and David Gergen. John, in terms of what's happening tonight, what should people know?
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent:] What should people know is it looks like the government is going to reopen pretty quickly and the debt ceiling will be extended until February, everybody can take a deep sigh of relief, breath for a day or two, and then we start this all over again.
[Cooper:] Does that mean I mean, museums open tomorrow, I mean things are open, the monuments are open
[King:] As soon as the president signs it. They can move on to this as quickly as possible. You'll get that official word out of the administration when the president knows it's coming his way. But officially he has to sign it before you can do that but you've seen what some workers brought back in. Museums and things will wait until he signs it. Other signals could go out the federal workers as early as tonight. But in terms of the politics, this is going to be fascinating to watch on the House side, to see how many House Republicans actually vote yes because the safe vote for them is no.
[Cooper:] Still no.
[King:] That makes probably no sense to a lot of people watching.
[Cooper:] Safe because then they don't get potentially a primary challenge then they can say, well, we fought the good fight.
[King:] The overwhelming majority of House districts are drawn in a way that the only test for a lawmaker is a primary. So if you're a Republican, especially because the Tea Party doesn't like this deal, it's threatening to primary people, the safe vote is no. So Speaker John Boehner will be weakened by this. This will pass in the House. He will be weakened. There is no threat of an immediate challenge. But, Anderson, we're going to be you'll be back. I know you love Washington. You know, this extends the debt ceiling until early February, government funding until early January. It's great that they're finally going to meet. It would be nice maybe if the president met with them, too, instead of waiting until we get to the deadline but there is no indication given the policy divide and as now they've kicked the can into an election year. Are you're going to ask Democrats to vote to cut Medicare in an election year. Are you going to ask Republicans to raise taxes in an election year? Good luck with that.
[Cooper:] And we're still hearing from House Republicans about defunding or delaying Obamacare.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] Of course you are. I mean there is the group, the hell-no caucus that's going to they believe that is what they were elected to do, they were elected to defund Obamacare. There is another group that's just afraid of their right flank and they will tonight vote no, but I think they're going to you're going to see some of them holding back to see, you know, if their votes are needed.
[Cooper:] Dana is getting some new information. Dana, what are you hearing?
[Bash:] This just passed the Senate. The vote was 81-18. So this compromise, this bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling is now on its way over to the House and we're going to see how that plays out as the night goes on. But this is a very big bipartisan vote, 81-18, and I don't have the exact names of the 18 nays but I would be surprised if there were any Democrats on that.
[Cooper:] And in terms of the timing of the House vote, I mean, what's the expectation?
[Bash:] Well, they are trying to expedite it as much as possible. The House does have the ability to move faster than the Senate because majority really does rule with regard to procedure there, but they do have to go through some important processes in order to get it on the floor but
[Cooper:] Right.
[Bash:] We do expect it to happen before midnight.
[Cooper:] And I hear Harry Reid is speaking. Let's listen in.
[Sen. Harry Reid , Majority Leader:] Lamar Alexander reached out to Senator Schumer, and being the peacemaker that he is, Lamar Alexander suggested that they that start doing what they could to engage Senator McConnell and I, as a result of that, I think we're able to talk and hopefully develop really a strong relationship. We Senator McConnell and I have worked together for many years. The last little bit is no surprise it hasn't been too good. So anyway, I appreciate the work that Senator Alexander and Senator Schumer did. I'm grateful for Senator Pryor and that gang of senators that they did some things that really helped us. So I would hope that in the future the work that has done was done by Senator Pryor and Collins will be able to get together to create some separation here from all this shrill voice, these shrill voices that we hear that really are not helpful. This crisis is historic. Let's be honest, this is pain inflicted on our nation for no good reason and cannot make we cannot, cannot make the same mistake again. So as we move into the next round of negotiations, I'm depending on stable, hard working, always available Patty Murray. She is the stereotype of what I believe a senator should be. I'm very, very grateful to her for being willing to take the leadership of trying to work something out, to make sure that we don't have another one of these crisis, manufactured crisis. She was called upon by the Democratic caucus to be the chair of the super committee. And she worked so hard and we were so close but as you know from all the experiences that the president had and I've had with Speaker Boehner, he was never able to take that step to accomplish this. I want to express here, probably the right place that would be on the Senate floor for the support of my three leaders. It's everyone knows my caucus has been locked strong together. We've worked with the president. We've been a real team. But one way we've been able to be a team is my team made the bigger team work. So I'm really grateful to them. No one will ever know
[Cooper:] Senator Harry Reid. Back with our panel, chief national correspondent John King, political analysts Gloria Borger and David Gergen. David, did anything come out of this? I mean was this all for naught? I mean, Boehner saying we fought the good fight
[David Gergen, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] Nothing good came out of it. A lot came out of it. It caused damage to an awful lot of people, it's dampened the economy, it's going to cost us some jobs, it's embarrassed us in front of the world. Other than that, yes
[Cooper:] And I just learned the president is expected to speak. President Obama is expected to speak in about 10 minutes, around 8:25 in the press briefing room. We'll obviously carry that live.
[Borger:] You know, I think the next question is what happens in this next round of budget negotiations. I think you can try and be optimistic, but I remember the super committee which didn't do too well and they sort of agreed to disagree. And so my big question going into this is what has changed that would allow them to kind of reach a deal of some kind in the next few months.
[Cooper:] And what would be on the table.
[Gergen:] There could be plenty of things on the table. The sequester is very important. The level of spending every year is very important to the Democrats in particular but there is also a question of entitlement reform.
[Cooper:] Sure.
[Gergen:] It's still out there. There's the question of tax reform. A lot of work has been done on the hill by Max Baucus, the Democrat, and David Camp, the Republican in the House. So
[King:] Two establishment guys, though. Two establishment guys.
[Gergen:] Yes. Right.
[King:] Liberals don't like what Max Baucus wants to do with entitlements, conservatives don't think Dave Camp is going to go far enough on spending cuts and they think he's open to tax reform that raises taxes. The most important thing I think going forward, at least from my perspective, is the divide in the Republican Party is not healing, it is growing. And the distrust in the leadership is growing. And so the president said on an interview with the local TV station of the day when this is over he wants to move on to immigration. Really? Really? If you go back to the State of the Union Address, he said immigration, a jobs bill, an infrastructure bank, preschool for every child, I mean, the president is winning in the short term politically. But if you go back to his State of the Union and you realize now it's October, this has been a lost year in Washington.
[Borger:] But
[King:] A completely lost year.
[Borger:] But there are going to be Republicans like Lindsey Graham who are going to say we have to decide whether want to be a national party, whether we want to be able to be a presidential party, or whether we want to just stay congressional party
[Gergen:] One of the surprises for me today has been that the conservatives in the House who have been attacking Boehner, that looked like they might want to over throw him at one point, they gave him a standing ovation today.
[Borger:] Yes.
[Gergen:] They really rallied around him. And they blamed the moderates in the Republican Party for causing all this. That they were too soft. They were squishy and
[Cooper:] Right. In fact I talked to a Tea Party, the head of a Tea Party group earlier today who said look, essentially, that it was the moderates in the Senate, Senate Republicans, who didn't stand with the House Republicans.
[Gergen:] Yes.
[Borger:] Right.
[Cooper:] Who caught who were the reason this thing didn't work.
[Gergen:] They are about the only people in Washington that believe that. These hard line conservatives.
[Borger:] And Boehner
[Gergen:] Of course everybody believes the Cruz thing was a a folly. Total folly from the Republicans.
[Borger:] You know, there is a poll out tonight that a Pew poll that asked sort of Republicans what you think of the Tea Party. Half of Republican voters now believe that the Tea Party is separate from them. So, you know, this could
[Cooper:] And has raised a lot of money on this.
[Borger:] Yes.
[King:] And the question is, can there be a circuit breaker?
[Borger:] Right.
[King:] This is not a mess that the president is making. I'm not trying to say that. But when the president speaks tonight, we only have one president. Whether he's a Democrat or a Republican, he does have a chance. If you could throw a circuit breaker here, it's going to have to come from the president. I don't know if it's possible.
[Cooper:] What could the president do in terms of reaching out? Because that's the one of the big criticisms by Republicans that he's not reached out.
[King:] See them more often.
[Borger:] Yes.
[King:] And don't let these things go to the deadline. The president can get out if they don't want if the Senate and the House the Senate and the House hate each other. It's not just Democrats and Republicans. That's sort of a bipartisan agreement. All the senators hate the House and all the House members hate the Senate. The president could, you know, kick them a little bit more and chive them to do their work before you get up against the ticking clock.
[Borger:] And he's going to have to get his liberal Democrats a little bit angry. I mean, that's the that's question for President Obama, can he sort of forget about not forget about them but get you know, be willing to anger them a bit.
[Cooper:] Are there that he would be willing to
[Borger:] No. Not on Obamacare.
[Gergen:] No. Yes.
[Borger:] We've moved onto the budget. I mean, we've moved on to entitlements and taxes.
[Gergen:] Really the best thing you can do is just send them home for 10 days and go soak their heads.
[Borger:] I agree. Yes.
[Gergen:] And cool off.
[Borger:] Yes.
[Gergen:] And get the heck out of here. I mean, they are so poisonous right now. There are there is such a weight on this capitol right now. They're demoralizing the country. There are so many people who not angry, they're not protesting, but they're discouraged about the state of our democracy.
[King:] We'll see what happens. You're just talking to Lindsey Graham, he voted yes to reopen the government and to raise the debt ceiling. He has a Tea Party challenger back home. We will see the strength of the Tea Party there. Mitch McConnell, who in the end is the first person who probably more than anyone else got this deal to the finish line, working with Harry Reid, this time without Joe Biden in the room. Mitch McConnell has a Tea Party challenger back home. We will see I was back there a few weeks ago. And it didn't seem like much. But now we'll see.
[Cooper:] Right.
[King:] Does it blossom up? And does it go? Those are the questions
[Borger:] Or not.
[Cooper:] And our Dana Bash has more information she's getting. Dana, what are you hearing from sources?
[Bash:] Republican leadership sources in the House are simply stunned and really scratching their heads about why the president is coming out to speak before the House votes. The president says all the time he gets that his presence, his name attached to anything is toxic in many Republican circles and at a time when John Boehner went into a private Republican caucus earlier today, yes, as David said, he got a standing ovation but he really tried to get Republicans to vote for this. It could have the opposite effect. Yes, of course, there are 200 Democrats who many of whom are going to vote yes, so I'm not sure that this would put the outcome of the vote in jeopardy but a lot of Republicans are thinking I'm saying to myself, to Deirdre Walsh, our House producer, this is sort of political tin ear moment. They're not sure why he's not waiting until after the House vote except for the fact that it could be midnight.
[Cooper:] Well, let's check in with our senator White House correspondent Brianna Keilar who's standing by right now in the room where the president is expected just momentarily. Brianna, what about that? What is the White House saying about why President Obama is coming out now? Or are they?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Well, they haven't said anything about why he's coming out at this point but I do think they just want to highlight the progress in the Senate and officially they're not going to say that this is a political move, Anderson. But I do think that even in the negotiations that we've seen going on really in the Senate where, obviously, the White House has had, you know, has been in concert with Senate Democrats, even though it's the Senate Democratic leadership doing the majority of the negotiating or all of the negotiating, I think there has been a message and that has been that the president or the White House through Senate Democrats is willing to negotiate with Republicans. Remember, he did give a small capitulation on Obamacare with that income verification but he's not willing to negotiate with Tea Party Republicans or really any Republicans who are being very much swayed by the Tea Party. I think that may have something to do with why we're seeing him come out now, but the other issue may be one of logistics as well, and that is the White House will remind you, and they haven't said this, but earlier we were talking about timing if the president were going to come out. They'll remind you that it takes awhile sometimes for the bill to get over here, even after the House passes it, assuming that they do, it has to be enrolled, it goes through a whole process. It takes some time. And I think the president wants to get on the record as all of this has gone down throughout the day Anderson.
[Cooper:] Has the White House been commenting all about the idea or the possibility that this could all happen again in a few months?
[Keilar:] Yes, that's sort of a fascinating point. Because you can imagine it happening all over again. And what White House officials will tell you is that the way they conducted themselves in this process saying that they will not negotiate and really in the end pretty much getting their way, they feel that that will discourage Tea Party Republicans, House Republicans from taking a similar track come middle of January. Now whether that's going to happen, that's to be debated but what they're saying is this discourages them and also they're sort of betting on the fact that closer to an election when the polls show and you just heard Lindsey Graham telling you certainly from his perspective that the polls which showed Republicans were very much blamed for this compared to Democrats and certainly compared to the White House, I think the White House feels that closer to the election that Republicans aren't going to want to go through this all over again. Of course, that's sort of I think the standard that you wouldn't necessarily see some House Republicans standing by. So I think we're not going to know if this really works until we get to mid January. You can really imagine it happening all over again.
[Cooper:] All right, Brianna, we're going to, again, bring the president's comments live, of course, as soon as they happen just a few minutes from now. Back with our panel, David Gergen, Gloria Borger and John King. Does it surprise you that the president would come out to speak before the House actually votes?
[King:] Yes and no.
[Borger:] No.
[King:] They clearly didn't do that. And look, the president wants to get into the news cycle. He wants to celebrate, if you will, this deal but it's risky. As Dana just noted, it's going to cost him some votes and to the point that Brianna
[Cooper:] You're saying it's something that's going to cost him some votes.
[King:] I think it will cost them some votes. You already have some people stand back. So people will wait along, and they'll complain about it. It will cost him goodwill going forward which there's already none in this town to begin with. But to Brianna's point about if the White House thinks that this is going to scare away Tea Party Republicans because the president is winning this time, they're not talking to enough Tea Party Republicans. So that's the problem in this town. They don't understand each other. These guys live in districts where Mitt Romney got 55 and 60 percent. They got 60 and sometimes 70 percent, a rare unopposed in the general election. They're not afraid of this president.
[Cooper:] Right.
[King:] That doesn't mean nationally this hasn't hurt the Republican Party. But that 25 or 30, sometimes 40 members, they don't care.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Borger:] I don't think the president is going out there to gloat because that's not sort of his style. He may be doing this because of foreign markets. He may be doing it to give the signal things are going to be OK. We're not going to you know, we're going to blow by the debt ceiling and he's probably going to point out the bipartisan margin, I would think, that he's going to get that he got in the Senate that he surely isn't going to get now.
[Cooper:] Is it smart to do this, David?
[Gergen:] A lot depends on what he says.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Borger:] Yes.
[Gergen:] You know, if he comes out and attacks Republicans in the House it'd be terribly dumb. It would drive voters away. If he comes out and says, you know, I was serious about negotiations, I'm willing to sit down and appointment my team tomorrow, that could actually help him a little bit. But I do think I think John was on to something. It is part of he wants to be in this news cycle. It looks like he's been really removed from what's going on and I think he wants to get his fingerprints on it and he also wants and I think he has justification for arguing that by standing tough, by not by not willing to compromise, he actually won and the Republicans capitulated. So you've got say, on his he came out of this better than he might have. I think.
[Cooper:] And we are just about a minute or so away. You certainly don't expect him to say, though, I won?
[Gergen:] No.
[Cooper:] No. That was not
[Gergen:] No. But I think if
[King:] The American people
[Borger:] But you don't have to say it.
[King:] The American are about to win.
[Gergen:] Yes, yes.
[Borger:] You don't have to right. This is a victory for the American people.
[Gergen:] Sure.
[Borger:] One would assume he would say.
[King:] It's hard, though. To David's point, and David has been in the White House at moments like this. The president is going to win in the short term. There's no question about that. The question is, can he get anything done in the long term? That first year of the second term is so important. And again, I'm not blaming the president, but go back to his wish list from February and look at what has happened, it would be nothing.
[Borger:] But must have more leverage
[Cooper:] So, again, on the issue of Obamacare, I mean, moving forward.
[Borger:] Yes.
[Cooper:] Is there a wiggle room on this? Are there things that might change with it?
[Borger:] Yes. There are things
[Cooper:] That the president would be willing to change on it?
[Borger:] For example, the tax on medical devices. Bipartisan support, they're going to you know, they're going to fix that. They're going to they may remove it. They have to find revenue to replace it with. So they'll they will do that, but not on this particular bill and that was the president's kind of line in the sand.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Borger:] Then he stuck to it, and I think, by the way, a lot of Republicans were surprised, or absolutely shocked he did.
[Gergen:] A lot depends on what happens with Obamacare itself over the next two, three, four weeks.
[Borger:] Yes.
[Gergen:] If the glitches continue, if this rollout is seen as a disaster, then that will give Republicans a lot more leverage
[Cooper:] And to even call it glitches, I mean, is sort of an understatement.
[Gergen:] Yes.
[Cooper:] I mean, a lot of people have been covering this, they saying look, this is some real inherent problems with the way
[Gergen:] Right.
[Cooper:] That the Web site, the way the whole thing was created.
[Gergen:] Right. And there's been a reporting today, is that in the last few months there were people inside the administration saying they should postpone the exchange.
[Cooper:] Saying that.
[Borger:] Extend it.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Borger:] Right. And so, you know, the president in a way that, you know, this fight kind of stepped on that whole Republicans message.
[Gergen:] Right.
[Borger:] As Lindsey Graham pointed out. They've stepped on their own message. Government has grown more popular and Republicans have gone down in the polls.
[Cooper:] I got to say
[Borger:] Not exactly a great fight
[Cooper:] It was actually refreshing to hear Lindsey Graham you know, a politician, saying the polls actually matter because normally every Democrat, Republican you talk to, they always say, you know, we're not paying attention to polls which is
[King:] Right.
[Cooper:] I mean
[Gergen:] Except they eat them for breakfast.
[Borger:] Right. And so John McCain
[Cooper:] The president is coming now. Let's listen in.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Good evening, everybody. Tonight the Republicans and Democrats in Congress have come together around an agreement that will reopen our government and remove the threat of default from our economy. The Senate has now voted to approve this agreement, and Democrats and Republicans in the House still have an important vote to take, but I want to thank the leaders of both parties for getting us to this point. Once this agreement arrives on my desk, I will sign it immediately. We'll begin reopening our government immediately. And we can begin to lift this cloud of uncertainty and unease from our businesses and from the American people. I'll have more to say about this tomorrow and I've got some thoughts about how we can move forward in the remainder of the year, stay focused on the job at hand, because there is a lot of work ahead of us, including our need to earn back the trust of the American people that's been lost over the last few weeks. And we can begin to do that by addressing the real issues that they care about. I've said it before, I'll say it again. I'm willing to work with anybody. I am eager to work with anybody, Democrat or Republican, House or Senate members, on any idea that will grow our economy, create new jobs, strengthen the middle class, and get our fiscal house in order for the long term. I've never believed that Democrats have a monopoly on good ideas and despite the differences over the issue of shutting down our government, I'm convinced that Democrats and Republicans can work together to make progress for America. In fact, there are things that we know will help strengthen our economy that we could get done before this year is out. We still need to pass a law to fix our broken immigration system. We still need to pass a farm bill. And with the shutdown behind us and budget committees forming, we now have an opportunity to focus on a sensible budget that is responsible, that is fair and that helps hardworking people all across this country. And we could get all these things done even this year, if everybody comes together in a spirit of how we're going to move this country forward and put the last three weeks behind us. That's what I believe the American people are looking for, not a focus on politics, not a focus on elections, but a focus on the concrete steps that can improve their lives. And that's going to be my focus. I'm looking forward to Congress doing the same. And for once again, I want to thank the leadership for coming together and getting this done. Hopefully next time it won't be in the 11th hour. One of the things that I said throughout this process is we've got to get out of the habit of governing by crisis. And my hope and expectation is everybody has learned that there is no reason why we can't work on the issues at hand, why we can't disagree between the parties while still being agreeable and make sure that we're not inflicting harm on the American people when we do have disagreements. So hopefully, that's a lesson that will be internalized and not just by me but also by Democrats and Republicans, not only the leaders but also the rank and file. Thanks very much, everybody.
[Cooper:] President Obama speaking at the White House, obviously not taking questions. Back with the panel David Gergen, Gloria Borger and John King. Do you think the president is right this is a lesson that has been internalized? I talked to John McCain a little bit earlier this evening. We're going to play that in our 10:00 hour. He said he believes it's less likely to happen again at the 11th hour, there maybe has been some lessons learned.
[David Gergen, Cnn Senior Political Analyst:] We'll see. We'll see. It's I don't know why we need people with training wheels around here to run the government. Nonetheless, I am not at all convinced, to John's point, I think Gloria would make the same argument, the Tea Party learned that lesson out of this. They didn't find hard enough. W e surrendered and had guys too weak and squishing on the team and we need to get some really bold people in here.
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent:] The party has changed so much and we'll see that in elections. If they fizzle and fail in this year primary changes maybe you won't see as much next year. The Heritage Foundation that came up with the original Massachusetts model and disputed and had the health care that Mitt Romney barred, that used to be the Heritage Foundation. Now it's Jim DeMint saying vote no on this and we'll help you raise money for your primary opponents if you don't. The Tea Party groups are saying if you vote yes on this we'll primary you. Do John McCain, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Lindsey Graham, Peter King in the House, do those guys want to sit down and work with Democrats and cut the best deal they can based on the available math that day? Sure. Do the Tea Party guys want that? Does Ted Cruz want that? I think not.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] It's also a question of who is leading the Republican Party right now. Is it Chris Christie that might want to be president? Is it John Boehner? Is it Ted Cruz? There isn't any voice for the Republican Party. That generally happens with a presidential nominee. At this point they got to sort and try to sort it out because they are heading into this fiscal negotiation and that's a problem.
[Gergen:] Can't you imagine Democrats will come out of this feeling like they won, their muscles are bigger and they will be less willing to compromise and these negotiations, they will want to hang tough on a lot?
[Borger:] That's where the president may have to take on his own party.
[Cooper:] John McCain was saying and warning Democrats don't get too
[Gergen:] Don't get too cocky.
[Cooper:] I do want to bring in Dana Bash just for a second. Dana, you sent me e-mails you were getting from Republican sources saying, you know, why is the president doing this? Stop, stop, stop.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] That's right. I can even read you one, it did say OMG, stop, stop, stop, why would you do this to our vote count potus, meaning president of the United States. That is from one Republican source.
[Cooper:] I love Republican sources are using
[Omg -- Bash:] It has come to that. It has come to that. But in a more serious note, the question is whether or not that is going to lower the vote count among Republicans. Another source says to me it's too early to tell, but it is further poisoning of the well. The other thing after he was finished speaking, this same Republican source said really, he's coming out right now and saying let's talk about immigration reform after everything is so strident? Look, I mean, it's understandable that the president wants to come out and be part of this and look, he did, as you all were saying, he put his stake in the ground and said no negotiations, but it is not done yet. And he does have Democratic votes, but it is not done yet and we have seen this movie before when things change and they don't end up the way we think they will end up so
[Cooper:] Right.
[Bash:] Certainly in the category of not helpful as Republicans are concerned.
[Cooper:] Brianna Keilar at the White House. Brianna, I understand the president was asked a question and answered it. Did you hear what it was?
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] I asked it. I said how is this not going to happen all over again in a few months, I said is it going to happen and he turned around leaving through the door and said no, simply no. The White House feels that this whole process should have discouraged Republicans. They think that Republicans should be doing a little soul searching, realize they got so much of the blame that even though you'll hear the White House say everyone lost in this. Republicans lost so much more particularly some of the more moderate Republicans who followed the lead of Tea Party Republicans. You talk, though, to for instance Republicans on the Hill and we heard yesterday President Obama said I'm ready day one after this is done to talk about immigration reform, but Republicans will tell you there is no way to really in any substantive way plow through that when we had one issue here in Washington we can't move on to another one.
[Cooper:] Right.
[Keilar:] You talk to this White House and they say look, this has been a waste of time. We don't want to let it slow us down, but they look the chances like immigration reform going through
[Cooper:] Which is
[Keilar:] They say not this year.
[Cooper:] There is the point you made earlier.
[King:] The Tea Party guys lost on Obamacare. Do you think they want to sign on to a path of citizenship? That would be an interesting conversation to watch. I've been talking about watching to see what happens to Mitch McConnell or Lindsey Graham. There are two governor races in New Jersey, blue state where it looks like Chris Christie will win in a blowout and a Tea Party guy that could send a bit of a message to the party if that happens.
[Cooper:] We got to take a break. Brianna Keilar, thank you. Dana Bash, John King, Gloria Borger, David Gergen. Let us know what you think. Follow me on Twitter. The president said he'll sign the bill to reopen the government immediately once it reaches his desk. The Senate passed a bill 81-18 and goes to the House. I'll speak with Democrat and Republican congressmen next.

[Tapper:] Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. Our World Lead today, North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-Un executes his defense minister with an anti-aircraft gun in front of hundreds at a military school. According to South Korean's intelligence agency, one of his crimes, dozing off during a meeting with the supreme leader. Let's bring in Peter Brookes, former deputy assistant secretary of defense under President George W. Bush. Peter, thanks so much for joining us. What do we know about the defense minister and his relationship with Kim Jong-Un prior to the execution?
[Peter Brookes, Senior Fellow For National Security Affairs, Heritage Foundation:] Well, obviously he was a survivor. He came to prominence during Kim Jong-Un's father's regime. So he survived the transition, the power transition. He continued to move up the ladder, the political and military ladder under Kim Jong-Un. And then recently he was made last year actually, he was made the senior military leader in the North Korean regime.
[Tapper:] His name was Hyon Yong Chol. Peter, you've visited North Korea before. What do you think we can learn about Kim Jong-Un and the regime from this decision to execute Hyon Yong Chol?
[Brookes:] Well, the other reasons besides falling asleep at a meeting, is perhaps, according to South Korea, there may have been some disagreements with Kim Jong-Un. The general had disagreements with him. There's also another possibility that he was sent on a military mission to Moscow. The general, if he has been executed, was in Moscow last month and some people are saying that besides attending a conference, his mission there was to get military arms. To get a military arms deal with Russia for North Korea and supposedly he failed in that. What I think we're seeing here is that Kim Jong-Un is sending a very strong message to the military. These are the individuals. This is the group that could possibly undertake a coup against him. These are the people with that sort of capability. And he's obviously saying he's not taking any nonsense or any disagreements. He also has credibility issues, Jake, with the military. His grandfather, Kim Il-Sung, the founder of North Korea, he supposedly fought the Japanese during the occupation during World War II. So he had real street cred with the military. His father, Kim Jung-Il, spent a long time working with the military before he came as supreme leader. And now Kim Jong-Un who's probably about 32, he became leader a couple of years ago when he was in his late 20s is much younger than these military generals and also has no military credibility or background. So he's sending the message to them that, if you're going to push me at all or disobey my orders, this is what could happen to you.
[Tapper:] All right, Peter Brookes, thank you so much. Appreciate your time. Let's turn now to Nepal where a desperate search continues for a U.S. military helicopter that went missing in the mountains there on Tuesday. Six Marines and two Nepalese soldiers were on board the chopper delivering much-needed aid to earthquake victims when the helicopter lost contact 45 miles east of the country's capital, Kathmandu. CNN's Barbara Starr joins us now live from the Pentagon. Barbara, what is the latest on the search?
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] A second day of agony for these families of the missing, Jake, now as first light approaches in Nepal in the next coming hours, the air search will resume. Helicopters were up yesterday during daylight hours about 20 hours of searching. They have found nothing. No sign of the helicopter. No sign of those on board. We now know that the U.S. military has put satellites overhead to look for any sign of the aircraft. In addition, those rescue helicopters that are flying they have jumpers on board, two per helicopter. These are Air Force personnel that if the helicopter is spotted, they can rope down into the most remote areas and try to recover the crew, if only they could find them. A second night potentially out in the open. But the bottom- line answer is still no sign of the airplane, no sign of the crew. And the very difficult news, no one knows if it crashed and the fate of those on board Jake.
[Tapper:] Barbara, quickly, if you could, are there any prevailing theories about what may have caused this helicopter to go missing?
[Starr:] Well, as you recall, there was radio chatter from another helicopter flying nearby that the Americans had run into some sort of fuel problem. But we don't know if they ran out of fuel, was there a problem with the fuel system? But whatever did happen, the real challenge right now, this, again, a remote mountainous area, the geography is absolutely terrible in terms of any kind of search and rescue. Where would you put a helicopter down in these remote mountains of Nepal? That's the problem right now Jake.
[Tapper:] Sad story. Barbara Starr, thank you so much. When we come back, he's not officially declared he's running and all four of Chris Christie's children have an opinion on whether or not he should. He and his wife tell me what they're all thinking next.

[Candy Crowley, Cnn Anchor:] If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.
[Crowley:] Today, they call him Speaker Cruz. It's not meant as a compliment.
[Cruz:] So many Democrats have invoked my name as the root of all evil in the world.
[Crowley:] A marquee name in the Tea Party takes on incoming from the other parties. Our exclusive with Texas Republican senator, Ted Cruz. Then
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] Take that vote. Stop this farce.
[Rep. John Boehner,  House Speaker:] All we're asking for is to sit down and have a discussion.
[Crowley:] The U.S. government is close to $17 trillion in debt and this Congressional authority to borrow more. Treasury secretary, Jack Lew, joins us on Washington's double trouble, showdowns over the shutdown and the debt ceiling. Plus, is anybody winning or is everybody losing? Our political panel considers it all and weighs in on a way out. This is STATE OF THE UNION. Good morning from Washington. I'm Candy Crowley. Five days into the government shutdown, there is some movement. The Pentagon is bringing most of its civilian employees back to work starting this week. The House approved a measure guaranteeing back pay to furloughed federal workers, and a senior House Republican tells CNN they're floating the idea of the bill that funds the government and lifts the nation's debt ceiling for six weeks. The measure would not be tied to anything about Obamacare. And that might not sit well with Senator Ted Cruz. His take on this in a few minutes. But first, my interview with treasury secretary, Jack Lew, moments ago. Treasury secretary, Jack Lew, is here. Mr. Secretary, thank you so much for coming in.
[Lew:] Great to be with you, Candy.
[Crowley:] If I can just sort of sum up what you've been saying, and that is come October 17th, you have run out of tricks, although, you don't use that word, but ways that you can sort of massage the numbers to keep it going so that you don't go over the debt ceiling the Congress has set. You need a new debt ceiling by October 17th. What happens on October 18th if you don't get it?
[Lew:] Well, it's a very good question, Candy. And just to be clear, we crossed the debt limit in May. Since May, we've been creating some room to borrow by using what are called extraordinary measures. They've been used so many times. They're not as extraordinary as they used to be. Tuesday I wrote to Congress saying I used my last extraordinary measures. I have no more. That means that on October 17th, we'll run out of the ability to borrow. We'll be left with some cash on hand. And, I've told Congress it will be roughly $30 billion. And $30 billion is a lot of money. But when you think about the cash flow of the government of the United States, we have individual days when our negative or positive cash flow is 50 or $60 billion. So, $30 billion is not a responsible amount of cash to run the government on.
[Crowley:] where you're telling me that nothing would happen on the 18th?
[Lew:] Well, I can't tell you. We never got to this point, Candy, you know? We've never gotten to the point where the United States government has operated without the ability to borrow. It's very dangerous. It's reckless, because the reality is, there are no good choices if we run out of borrowing capacity and we run out of cash. That will mean that the United States for the first time since 1789 would be not paying its bills, hurting the full faith in credit because of a political decision.
[Crowley:] Let me play you something that Congressman Steve King of Iowa, a Republican said, talking about the possibility of servicing the debt past this deadline.
[Rep. Steve King,  Iowa:] I don't think the credit of the United States is going to be collapsed. I think that all this talk about a default has been a lot of demagoguery, a lot of false demagoguery.
[Crowley:] So, the question is, is it technically possible for you to keep up with your debts? Can you not just pay the interest rate on these debts while this is worked out?
[Lew:] Candy, I got to tell you that anyone who thinks that the United States government not paying its bills is anything less than default hasn't thought about it very clearly. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you, what happens if we're not able to pay Social Security? What happens if we can't pay disability and veterans payments on time? Medicare and Medicaid. In each of these cases, it means these families, businesses, institutions that are important won't be getting what they're relying on
[Crowley:] Coming on the 18th, you won't be able to pay Social Security, you won't be able to pay Medicare, you won't be able to pay all of these things?
[Lew:] I'm telling that you that on 17th we run out of our ability to borrow, and Congress is playing with fire. If they don't extend the debt limit, we have a very, very short window of time before those scenarios start to be played out.
[Crowley:] Could you keep up on servicing the debt, that is paying the interest on the U.S. debt, therefore, not defaulting as you contend?
[Lew:] Candy, if the United States government for the first time in its history chooses not to pay its bills on time, we will be in default. There is no option that prevents us from being in default if we don't have enough cash to pay our bills.
[Crowley:] But very often, in bills and correct me if I'm wrong, can you not pay the interest? I'm just trying to figure out wiggle room, because what Republicans are saying, is these guy do this all the time as we run up. Look at Wall Street. It's kind of looking at it. This doesn't seem to be that big of a deal this time around. No one's been threatening to downgrade the U.S. credit worthiness. So, the question is, is it true, as they say, that you can service the debt beyond the 17th?
[Lew:] Candy, let me put this in context. We are the strongest, most important economy in the world. We've already seen that when government shutdown, the kinds of gridlock and brinksmanship in Washington hurts people and it hurts the economy. We saw it in 2011. What happened is we approach the point of reaching the debt limit. You now have people who are saying, oh, it won't be that bad. Well, I challenge them to answer the questions that I asked you. They're willing to concede if we don't pay interest and principal on the debt if that's bad. Well, you know, it is bad, but there are a lot of things that are bad. You can't pay all the bills if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. And none of these bills are new. These are commitment that Congress made that's paying old bills. It would be like somebody saying I ran up my credit card and I decided not to pay it. You can't do that. The United States government is just too important to the world. Our currency is the world's reserve currency.
[Crowley:] Is this could the president, is there a mechanism and I think we went through this last time around in 2011. Is there a mechanism for the president should the U.S. be unable to pay its bills? Is he able to unilaterally lift the debt ceiling?
[Lew:] I think the White House has spoken quite clearly to this the president does not have the authority to take action in that kind of a way the president consulted with his lawyers, and that's the conclusion that he's reached. You know, there's a desire here for there to be some kind of a magic solution. There's an easy solution, Candy. A majority in Congress would do the right thing if given a chance to vote to open the government. A majority in Congress would do the right thing if given a chance to let us pay our bills. Congress needs to work. They need to do their job, but the majority needs to be given a chance.
[Crowley:] If it is as bad as you say it would be if this happens, if they don't raise the debt ceiling Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling by the 17th, why wouldn't the president come to the negotiating table? If it's going to ruin it's going to shake the world markets, if it's going to ruin our credit worthiness, you know, we're the superpower. We can't be not paying our debts. If it's that vital, why isn't he at the bargaining table saying what can we do here?
[Lew:] Candy, I think you know that the president has been, is, and will always be looking for that way to negotiate to find a sensible middle ground. He did it in 2011. He did it last year. He did it this year in his budget where he put forward tough policies.
[Crowley:] If this is so dire, why not do it again?
[Lew:] You know, I think if you look at where we are right now, we've just gone through a couple of months where some very extreme parts of Congress to control. I don't think the leadership in Congress wanted a government shutdown. They ended up with a government shutdown because of the tactics of an extreme group trying to say, we're willing to do real damage if we don't get our way. The president's message is clear. Congress needs to its job. They need to open the government. They need to make us to pay our bills and then new need to negotiate. And he is very much prepared to do that.
[Crowley:] the president still won't sit down. I mean, it's like it just seems like a duel message here. It's really, really important. Horrible things are going to happen if this isn't fixed, but I'm not going to negotiate.
[Lew:] You know, Candy, in 2011, there was a very dangerous turn in the political debate in Washington. You had the same 50 to 100 members who were really willing to default if they didn't get their way. I've been through a lot of budget debates. I've been through a lot of debt ceiling debates. Never did I hear people who said if it don't get my way, it's better to default. That's not acceptable now
[Crowley:] Let me turn you quickly to the government shutdown, and in particular, you have inside the treasury department, the unit that monitors sanctions and imposes sanctions on those who try to help Iran or Syria militarily. We are now told that that office has been gutted, that it can no longer do its job because of the shutdown. As you know, Congressman Ed Royce, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee wrote you a letter said wait a minute, you said that you certainly would make sure that all vital activities of the government go on. And then, he said, "This recent staffing decisions leave me puzzled. I respectfully ask that you reconsider these ill-advised staffing decisions that undermine support for vigorous Iran sanctions and other critical national security efforts." It does seem that this fits under the classification of essential. If the president is going to say Iran came to the table because we imposed and enforced sanctions, why you would let all but 17 members of that 100 plus office be furloughed?
[Lew:] You know, Candy, there's a simple solution here. Congress needs to vote and open up the federal government.
[Crowley:] But did you have to furlough these people? I understand you want the government open.
[Lew:] You look around the government, there are people with essential functions who are not coming to work because not everything that meets the common sense test of essential meets the legal test under a government shutdown. These people do very important
[Crowley:] that the president's ability to carry out foreign policy certainly with Iran who we worry about nuclear weapons
[Lew:] I think the work is very important. I think Congress is irresponsible and reckless for shutting the government down, but they also need to understand when they shut down the government down, there are consequences, because we don't have the legal ability to bring everyone back.
[Crowley:] Treasury secretary, Jack Lew, thank you for coming by. We are back now with Senator Ted Cruz. I do believe, senator, that he was sort of referring to you in some of those remarks about the extreme members of Congress that they people that they characterize as extreme shutting down the government to the harm of the U.S. The debt ceiling. How should Republicans approach that?
[Cruz:] Well, I mean, let me commend actually Secretary Lew for not being willing to demagogue on the debt ceiling the way sadly his boss, President Obama, has. If I counted it right, three times you asked him directly come October 17th, will the United States default on its debt? And three times, he avoided answering. And the reason is the answer is, of course not. Now, frankly, what I wish he said and what any responsible president would say is you come out and say under no circumstances will the United States ever default on its debt. That should be the answer. But Secretary Lew at least went half way there by refusing to repeat the claim that President Obama's made that there is some risk of our default
[Crowley:] But would you agree that it's not good for the U.S. not to be able to borrow past where it is, because at some point, it will have to default. How should the Republicans handle the debt ceiling? Do you want some, for instance, faction of the president's health plan to be attached to that in exchange for lifting the debt ceiling or because it's so important, should Republicans say we need to lift this debt ceiling?
[Cruz:] Look, in my view, the debt ceiling, we should look for three things. Number one, we should look for some significant structural plan and reduce government spending. Number two, we should avoid new taxes. And number, we should look for ways to mitigate the harms from Obamacare. You know, since 1978, the debt ceiling has been raised 55 times.
[Crowley:] So, you think that some facet of the president's health care plan should be attached to an increase in the debt ceiling?
[Cruz:] The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to reign in the executives.
[Crowley:] So, yes?
[Cruz:] Yes. Yes.
[Crowley:] And what else?
[Cruz:] But my point is that there's great historical precedence. Since 1978, we raised the debt ceiling 55 times. A majority of those times, 28 times, Congress has attached very specific and stringent requirements, many of the most significant spending restraints things like Gramm-Rudman, things like sequestration came through the debt ceiling. And so, the president's demand jack up the nation's credit card with no limits, no constraints, it's not a reasonable demand.
[Crowley:] How far are you willing to go because I'm going to imagine that a number of your Republican colleagues as well as all the Democrats are going to say we cannot mess around with the debt ceiling here. It's too important. It's in a bad message. It will rock the economy. Let's increase the debt ceiling for X amount of time or X amount of dollars. How far would you go to stop that in order to eke out
[Cruz:] Look, in my view we ought to have one fight at a time. So, we're right now in the middle of a government shutdown.
[Crowley:] But it's all going to pull together. You would agree with that.
[Cruz:] It may or may not. I don't think it should. I think we still got some time on the debt ceiling. And I think right now, we need to deal with the fact that a significant percentage of the government is shut down because Harry Reid and President Obama have refused to negotiate. And you're seeing House Republicans over and over again passing reasonable bills to open vital government services and President Obama and the Democrats refusing to negotiate. We have to focus on that first, because that's the immediate challenge.
[Crowley:] Well, I I grant you that both sides see the other side as at fault here. But that's about blame. I think what the American people want to know is, where does this end? You talked last night you were at a Virginia republican event in Richmond and said Republicans will win this. And by that, I believe you meant what you wanted in exchange for a spending bill. What does win this mean to you? What does that have to look like for a Republican victory?
[Cruz:] Let me be clear, I didn't say Republicans will win this. Listen, I think career politicians in both parties have been part of the problem. What I said is the American people are going to win. And that's something very
[Crowley:] What does the American people win look like to you?
[Cruz:] Look, what the American people want is they want our government funded and they want to stop the harms from Obamacare. Obamacare is hurting millions of people. It's killing their jobs. It's forcing them into part-time work. It's driving up health insurance premiums, and it's causing millions of Americans to lose or risk losing their health insurance. That's a win for the American people is actually responding to the real harms that are coming from Obamacare.
[Crowley:] So, let me show you some polling that was done recently. And the question encompasses both of those things you just talked about and that is, do you believe, the question is, that in order to change Obamacare defunded the government should shut down if that's the price for getting it done? And the CBS poll basically showed 72 percent totally disapprove of that tactic. So, if we're listening to what the American people want, they don't want a government shutdown simply because there are differences over the health care law.
[Cruz:] But Candy, as you phrase that question, I'm in that 72 percent. I don't want the government to shut down. I've said that throughout. And the reason the government has shut down, you know, you mentioned in fact earlier you guys ran a graphic on the screen both sides refuse to negotiate. And look, I understand the natural reaction you see an impasse in this sort of natural reaction is, well, both sides are to blame. But I don't think the facts support that, because if you look, the House Republicans repeatedly had been compromising, had been passing one bill after another, first of all, on Obamacare itself, and then secondly, working to restart vital government functions. And the Senate Democrats over and over again and President Obama has said they won't negotiate. They won't talk. They have not moved one inch. And when you've got one side that's compromising the other side that isn't, I don't think it's an accurate or fair description to say that neither side is negotiating.
[Crowley:] But it is accurate to say is it not that absent the Republicans attaching things to do with the president's health care act, a clean CR would have gone through? That's accurate, correct?
[Cruz:] That's actually not Accurate. So, for example, you played the president saying let's have a vote. Let's stop the farce. I agree with President Obama. There are eight bills that the House has passed that are piled up on Harry Reid's desk. And Harry Reid will not let the Senate vote. So, for example, Jack Lew, Candy, said we need to fund our veterans and disability payments. I agree. The House passed a bill to fund our veterans. Every Senate Republican believes we should fund our veterans regardless of what happens in the shutdown, our veterans shouldn't pay the price. And right now, Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats are refusing to have a vote and they're blocking it. The only reason the VA is not adequately funded right now is because Harry Reid and the Democrats are blocking it. That's not reasonable.
[Crowley:] How about a cooling off period? There's this idea being floated CNN is reporting kind of a cooling off period, that you pass a clean spending bill for six weeks, and on it, you also increase the debt ceiling for six weeks. And in that six weeks, you negotiate on how to fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year and you negotiate the debt ceiling.
[Cruz:] Candy
[Crowley:] That would accomplish, would it not, what you want, which is the president at the table?
[Cruz:] Look what you just asked. You said how about the agreement be give the Democrats 100 percent of what they want with no changes whatsoever. They're not talking now, but if you give them everything you want, then they'll talk. No, they won't. Look, we saw this week President Obama after months of refusing to talk to Congress finally invited Congressional leaders over, sat down and said hi, I invited you here to say I will not negotiate. Their view is not reasonable. It is Republicans in Congress who are passing bills to reopen the parks, to reopen the memorials, to fund cancer research, to fund our veterans, and it is the Democrats who are refusing to have a vote. I mean, Candy, why won't Harry Reid let the Senate vote on the eight bills the House has passed to fund vital parts of the government?
[Crowley:] I think he would say because he thinks he's being blackmailed, but I want to continue this conversation. We'll be back. We got to take a quick break. We want to talk about a couple of things when we return. I also want to talk about some of the blowback you're getting from members of your own party. They reportedly gave you an earful behind closed doors saying you don't have an end game strategy and you're, quote, "selling snake oil." Your chance to respond after this.

[Costello:] There has been endless conversation about the verdict in the George Zimmerman case. But there is one voice that has been conspicuously absent President Obama. You may remember he discussed what happened before official charges were filed against George Zimmerman. But since then, since the verdict, President Obama hasn't said anything. Our Randi Kaye looks at why.
[Randi Kaye, Cnn National Correspondent:] When Trayvon Martin was killed, President Barack Obama was in the midst of his re- election campaign. He took nearly a month to comment on the teenager's death. And when he did
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.
[Kaye:] His comment became the story. He became the story.
[Gloria Borger, Cnn Chief Political Analyst:] This is a President who is very mindful of not wanting to be a lightning rod. He wants to be a facilitator for the discussion. He wants to have the discussion.
[Kaye:] Which may explain the President's reluctance over the years to wade into racial issues. Still at times, there was no escaping it.
[Obama:] I'm the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas.
[Kaye:] In 2008 when the racially divisive sermons of his former Pastor Jeremiah Wright nearly brought down his first campaign for president, Obama delivered this long-awaited speech on race.
[Obama:] This is where we are right now. It's a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years.
[Kaye:] Joshua Dubois was the President's spiritual adviser at the time.
[Joshua Dubois, Former Spiritual Adviser To President Obama:] It's a balance between addressing the policy objective that you have as a Commander-in-Chief and also you know speaking out as an African- American man, as someone who's faced his own challenges in his life. It's the dance between the the public and the personal. That's what the President has to navigate.
[Kaye:] A year after his so-called race speech, President Obama found himself in the middle of another race-related firestorm. Police had arrested an African-American Harvard Professor, Skip Gates, in his own home, after he showed I.D. Listen to what the President said.
[Obama:] I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry. Number two that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.
[Kaye:] Charges against the Professor for disorderly conduct were later dropped. The President tried to smooth things over and save his plunging poll numbers by inviting Professor Henry Louis Gates and the Sergeant who arrested him to what became known as the beer summit at the White House. [on camera]: And now with the Zimmerman not guilty verdict dividing this country the President may be struggling once again to find his footing. After the verdict a muted response, nothing on camera, just a paper statement void of any mention of racial tension. The President wouldn't want to be seen as coming down on one side or the other. [voice-over]: But that doesn't mean he won't talk about it in the near future. For now, though, he'll leave decisions about a possible federal case against George Zimmerman up to Attorney General Eric Holder the first African-American to hold that post. Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
[Costello:] All right let's bring in Nicole Roeberg. She's communications director for the Washington based Web site, conservative Web site, "The Daily Caller"; and Jason Johnson, HLN contributor and political columnist for "The Chicago Defender". After President Obama gave a brief statement on the verdict and he did that in writing right. He asked the nation to respect Trayvon's parents call for calm. "The Daily Caller" sent a 16-year-old intern to a White House press conference to press the administration about security concerns for George Zimmerman. Here is what happened.
[Gabe Finger, Intern, The Daily Caller:] Because of the death threats being received by George Zimmerman and his parents, is the President is going to take any action for his security or are they on their own?
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] The President has called for echoing the statements of Trayvon Martin's family for calm reflection in the wake of the verdict. And that continues to be his position. He's certainly would oppose any violence of any kind.
[Finger:] So they're on their own?
[Carney:] You can editorialize all you want. And I have no doubt that you will, but that is a ridiculous statement.
[Costello:] Ok so let's start with you Nicole. That is pretty unusual for an intern, especially one still in high school, to ask a question at a White House briefing. So why did "The Daily Caller" do this in such a high-profile case?
[Nicole Roeberg, Communications Director, The Daily Caller:] Well, I don't think that you know we know he was necessarily going to get ask the question get the chance to ask the question. He certainly went prepared to ask the question. And we've sent several interns in the past briefings and they've gotten the chance to ask I know at least two others have gotten a chance to ask a question at a briefing. And it just didn't make news because they weren't mocked the way that Gabe was mocked yesterday.
[Costello:] So did you have one of your own journalists in that White House briefing in addition to that 16-year-old kid?
[Roeberg:] Yesterday, we did not. Generally Neil Munro our White House correspondent does go and take one or two interns with him to the briefings so that they can get a chance to go and experience it. He had a scheduling conflict yesterday and Gabe was already ready to go and have been cleared in for his security 24 hours in advance. And there was no reason not to send him.
[Costello:] So what what answer did he want, though? Did he did he want the President to send a Secret Service agent to protect George Zimmerman? I mean what answer was he striving to get?
[Roeberg:] Well it's certainly not up to Gabe you know what the President should do in response to the Zimmerman threat. I think he just wanted to know if he had an opinion. And what that opinion was and actually the beginning of Jay Carney's answer which you guys didn't play I thought was really interesting which was that he said he wasn't aware of the story. He wasn't aware that the Zimmerman family was getting death threats.
[Costello:] Yes and he did say that. And I did hear that. So Jason, I'll ask you, this this intern he obviously got under Jay Carney's skin, right? Does that give us some sense of what the White House is really feeling? Or was this or was Jay Carney just irritated at a question from a kid?
[Jason Johnson, Hln Contributor:] Yes, I think Jay Carney was responding to an obnoxious frat boy stunt. Let's be honest. There was no point in having a 16-year-old ask a provocative and incendiary and unnecessary question. He didn't know what the situation was necessarily going on with the Zimmerman family. Everyone knows perfectly well that Barack Obama would have no direct responsibility for protecting them. And it was a stunt and it's something that "The Daily Caller" should be ashamed of.
[Costello:] So so Nicole I so Nicole I must say after Gabe asked his question he actually tweeted this, "Just angered Obama's Press Secretary. Word." So was that the intention to anger the White House?
[Roeberg:] Of course that's never the intention and I don't think he respected I'm sorry I don't think he expected to get the, you know, angry response out of Jay Carney that he got. He went with a reasonable question that no one else has asked. And you know, look Zimmerman's parents were on another network earlier this week saying they were afraid to go back to their house because they've had hundreds of death threats. And no has brought that out. And you know President Obama has been very vocal, not very vocal, but President Obama has been vocal about this case back you know almost since it first hit the national scene and it's a reasonable question that seemed [inaudible]. And I would say that his age I don't his age has nothing to do with it. He's 16 years old. Yes, he's been doing great work for us all summer long. He was prepared with a question. And you know we like to send our interns out to do real things. We don't we don't have our interns making coffee and making copies. We have them going to press conferences and going to events on Capitol Hill and writing stories with our by lines to get published on our Web site.
[Costello:] Yes but in this situation this is such a sensitive issue right at this moment for both George Zimmerman and for the black community. So and Jason, I see you smiling there.
[Johnson:] Yes, I mean I mean look, it wasn't a sincere question. And you can tell by his reaction it wasn't a sincere question.
[Roeberg:] I'm sorry. That's not true at all.
[Johnson:] And this is the second time "The Daily Caller" has done this, this year. Please tell me some other incidents where the President of the United States is going to take personal responsibility for protecting a family because the public doesn't like a jury ruling. It doesn't make any sense. And if you had a sincere question, then it would have made more sense. But he didn't have one, it was just a stunt in order to bring attention.
[Roeberg:] It was not a stunt at all.
[Johnson:] Again they should be a shame for putting a 16-year-old in that particular situation.
[Roeberg:] It was not preplanned and not only was it not
[Johnson:] Would you please stop interrupting me just because I pointed out the fact that you guys did something very inconsiderate with a 16- year-old?
[Roeberg:] I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[Costello:] So Jason are you done?
[Johnson:] Yes I'm done now.
[Costello:] Can Nicole weigh in. Ok Nicole go ahead take it away?
[Roeberg:] It was not a stunt. It was not planned number one and number two we didn't know that he was going to get called on. I mean you know we often "The Daily Caller" often doesn't get called on. Yes, we've been called on in the past. But we certainly didn't know that he would be called on. He obviously was going to go you know prepared with a very relevant question. It is a relevant question. You know President Obama has been very vocal about this. And you know it is obviously you know a state issue. But it's it's an issue that you know gripped America. And and it's interesting to know what the President thinks of it and whether he thinks
[Costello:] But you do realize that the President walks a fine line here. He's the President of the United States. He has to be very careful and weigh what
[Roeberg:] That's true
[Costello:] what he will say if he says anything to the nation.
[Roeberg:] Yes.
[Costello:] It's the not just something that Jay Carney should just whip out an answer to in a press briefing, is it?
[Roeberg:] No, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be asked. I mean Jay Carney could have said, "You know, I don't know, I haven't talked to the President about that. I'll ask him about it. I will get back to you." I mean generally these press conferences don't produce a lot of news. They happen every single day at the daily briefing. I don't know when the last time news was made at an actual daily briefing. You know, we asked a question. It was a relevant question that should have been asked.
[Costello:] All right. Jason Johnson, Nicole Roeberg, thank you for debating the issue this morning.
[Roeberg:] Thank you.
[Johnson:] Thank you.
[Costello:] Tonight on "AC 360", Trayvon Martin's parents will react to the reported death threats, the verdict, and life after the trial. That interview live tonight, 8:00 p.m. Eastern.

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Student News Anchor:] Hi. I`m Carl Azuz. This is the second of a two-part special edition we produced on CNN STUDENT NEWS. It continues our outlook at some of the major news stories that have made headlines and history since launched 35 years ago. Teachers, we encourage you to preview this show. It contains images of some of the most tragic stories CNN has covered.
[Subtitle:] Breaking News: Thirty Five Years of
[Cnn. Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] The horrors of this war, ethic cleansing goes on within view of United Nations patrols.
[Unidentified Female:] An explosion underground in the garage section of the World Trade Center has killed now three people. Hundreds of people are still being evacuated from the twin towers.
[Unidentified Male:] The whole south side of the building is going up in flames literally before our eyes. Four million people driven from their homes by war. The Oklahoma governor`s office says at least 19 people are dead, hundreds of other injured, and rescuers continue to search for survivors in the rubble of the AP Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
[William Jefferson Clinton, Then-president Of The United States Of America:] The bombing at Centennial Olympic Park this morning was an evil act of terror.
[Unidentified Male:] French government has informed all of us that Princess Diana has died.
[Unidentified Female:] Earlier today, two masked gunman wearing all black begun shooting at least 18 people.
[Unidentified Male:] What the election law hopefully hanging chair.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] The hand count is expected to begin shortly here in the room behind me.
[Unidentified Female:] A plane has crushed into one of the towers of the World Trade Center. Saw a plane crashed into
[Unidentified Male:] This was described to me, the size of a 747
[Unidentified Female:] We have unconfirmed reports this morning that a plane has crashed into one of the towers of the World Trade Center.
[Aaron Brown, Former Anchor:] My producer calls, he said, "You listen to the radio". And I said, "No". He said, "You should". He said, a plane just crashed into the World Trade Center. I didn`t know if it`s a big plan or a small plan or it was an accident or it was deliberate
[Paula Zahn, Former Anchor:] But when the second plane hit the South Tower, I think we all knew it`s the act of terrorist.
[Brown:] At the Pentagon, a plane or a helicopter has crashed and the Pentagon is being evacuated. The Boston Airport, like airports now across the entire country is closed. All air traffic in United States has come to a halt.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] And then we heard that there is another plane, maybe going towards the Capitol, another plane was toward the White House. People were running out in the White House, people were running out of Capitol.
[Brown:] There has just been a huge explosion we can see, a bellowing smoke rising and I can, I`m telling you that I can`t see that second tower but if there was a cascade of sparks and fire and now, it looks almost like a mushroom cloud explosion
[Unidentified Female:] United Flight 93, Newark to SFO, has crashed in Pennsylvania for United Airlines.
[Zahn:] Some very brave passengers attempted to take control of that plane because they knew, from phone conversations, that they had had with family members at the World Trade Center had been attacked can you imagine the courage?
[Unidentified Male:] Good Lord. There are no words.
[Brown:] Its 1:00, 2:00 in the morning, we sleep and was tired, and I was crying, and I was thinking about my daughter was from middle school. And I thought, "God, her world is going to be totally different, is going to be totally different".
[Zahn:] 911 forever altered the soul of our nation. We could never again take for granted our sense of security, and life has never been the same since then.
[Amanpour:] I reported a few minutes ago about a second wave of attacks, they`re being described as more intense.
[George W. Bush, Then-president Of The United States Of America:] On my orders United States military has began strikes in Afghanistan.
[Unidentified Male:] I`ve got a little problem on the Space Shuttle Columbia. It has been out of communication now for the past 12 minutes.
[Bush:] My fellow Americans, this day has brought terrible news the Columbia is lost. There are no survivors.
[Unidentified Female:] More explosions have rock Baghdad after an unprecedented bombardment a few hours ago. U.S.-led forces had unleashed their long awaited and punishing air assault.
[Cooper:] In Spain at this moment, they are still counting the bodies. At least 190 people are dead.
[Unidentified Male:] Hundreds are reported dead in Sri Lanka as a powerful earthquake of Indonesia produced devastating tidal waves across parts of Asia. Four separate yet simultaneous explosions striking the transit system there.
[Cooper:] The real concern is the wind, and the rain, and any flooding that may cause.
[Unidentified Female:] A powerful hurricane appears to be setting its sights into the Central Gulf Coast. The winds are just incredible here in New Orleans. We can see the roof of the Superdome has been shredded.
[Cooper:] This is maybe the easy side of the storm but it does not feel very easy right here on the banks of the Mississippi River. I just want to show you a little bit It`s a very strange feeling covering a hurricane particularly one that was this size, got there really just as the first kind of rainfall were starting. The winds are really big up here. I had a satellite truck with me I had a crew with me and we were kind of on our own. Because as you can see, it`s coming to part as we speak. And people just come up to you in the Walmart and they`re like, have you heard about my town? A woman at the Walmart said to me, you should to Gulf Coast of Mississippi, because we haven`t able to touch with our relatives in Waveland and no one is reporting from there. When I got to Waveland, that was unlike anything I`ve seen before. It`s just block after block was gone. People were starting to return and see their lives gone. It`s devastating, I mean, after this.
[Unidentified Female:] A levee break the size of a football field is slowly flooding New Orleans. I am looking over a scene of other devastation and the entire neighborhood, this water has come up to the east of the houses.
[Unidentified Male:] When we got out there, you could hear screams of people still being trapped in the attics. As we came across, people punching holes in the attic spaces because the water is filled up all the way up to their attics.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] What are we doing now, doc, where are we going?
[Unidentified Male:] We`re going to Charity Hospital.
[Gupta:] Is this really safe? And we heard about the snipers earlier today.
[Unidentified Male:] No. Not really.
[Gupta:] We had to get a row boat and essentially row across from the parking deck across the street and to the ramp at Charity Hospital. OK. Well, we made it.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Gupta:] Safely. So, this is what a Charity Hospital looks like in the middle of the natural disaster. When you get into Charity Hospital, you sort of immediately realize that it is as bad if not worst as has been described. It was completely crowded. There was a smell in the air. When we started to walk around the hospital and realize that the staircase is not becoming filled with bodies as a result of what was happening there, that you needed to start reporting. One of the images that really struck with me the most was these people bagging patients, with been on ventilators who no longer had power, and they would take shifts. And you couldn`t fall asleep and they have to just keep doing it and sometimes the patients would still be awake and are at least cognizant enough to know that literally in my entire life right now is dependent on where this guy can keep bagging this bag of air into my lungs.
[Chris Lawrence, Cnn Correspondent:] Some of these people had been waiting outside now for more than three days.
[Unidentified Female:] No food. No water. Helicopter is flying all over here. It`s ridiculous.
[Cooper:] You know, someone actually said this to me in the days after Katrina. He said to me, "You know man, this is all going to be forgotten. It`s all going to be cleaned up and washed away and forgotten". But I certainly would never forget what I saw, and I don`t think a lot of people who were there, I don`t think any of them will forget either.

[Lemon:] You know, like Mama always used to say, if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you? Well, if you're Lance Armstrong, sure, of course you would. The cyclist telling ESPN if he had to do it over again, he would still cheat. He'd still dope because everyone else was cheating, too, including his competitors. Armstrong says his team wasn't doping as much as the other guys, so that's why he never thought they'd be caught. In the course of the interview, he calls himself an a-hole and felt he was targeted and stripped of his Tour de France titles because he took on and battled his accusers. More on this coming up in the next hour here on CNN. OK, 14 songs, 17 videos, and virtually no one knew about it until now. We're talking about Beyonce's new album, just released on the sneak tip overnight. There was absolutely no pre-publicity about it. Queen Bey is that right? Queen Bey, right, not Queen Bee? surprised her fans. You can call her Queen Bee if you want. Surprised her fans on Instagram with the big announcement. You know, it's simply entitled "Beyonce." It's her fifth release and the first since she gave birth to baby girl Blue Ivy. But the frenzy over Beyonce's new music is not just about her new album. It's really about how she did it on her own terms in an exclusive deal with iTunes. No pre-A&R;, no music videos or listening parties. She just dropped it on social media. Is this a new model for doing business in the music industry? It has us wondering. So here to talk about the potential impact is veteran entertainment P.R. and brand strategist Marvet Britto. Beyonce surprised everyone by not doing the traditional thing. Is this the new way?
[Marvet Britto, P.r./brand Strategist:] It's the Bey way. Not every artist can do this. In fact, Beyonce and Jay-Z, the Carters, are the most potent music brand in the history of music. So no, we don't suspect that other artists will follow Jay-Z and Beyonce's model, the Carters' model, but Beyonce can do it. This further differentiated Beyonce's brand from everyone else in the music industry.
[Lemon:] Yes.
[Britto:] It showed that she's potent. It shows that she's relevant, and it showed that she has the power and gravity to shock the music world by releasing a record with no advance notice.
[Lemon:] Now, is this people are saying there's no middleman. But I mean, still, there is some publicity to this. We were talking about it. Is this the publicity, the shock of it, like wait a minute, what happened to your...?
[Britto:] This is a very audacious move. The silence of this...
[Lemon:] Right.
[Britto:] ... speaks volumes.
[Lemon:] Right.
[Britto:] The silence of this move, Jay-Z and Beyonce together as a family, as the Carters, are the most potent brands in music. And this showed that they have the power to do whatever they want to do in music.
[Lemon:] Is it a smart move, though, Marvet?
[Britto:] It's a smart move, because she further differentiates herself from everyone else in music. No one of Beyonce's caliber can do what she did. And it shows...
[Lemon:] Can a Gaga do it or Madonna do it? No.
[Britto:] No, they can't do it. They don't have the loyal audience. They don't have and think about it. Jay-Z and Beyonce are creative masterminds, and this showed that they can move, create and distribute music on their own terms.
[Lemon:] Can I say this? I love the "Anchorman," right, being a television news person. I love "Anchorman." I'm so sick of the promotion. Everywhere I turn, I'm like, OK, enough. I just want to see the movie. Stop it already with the promotion. And this is the exact opposite. I mean, are there people am I who feel like me, like stop with all the promotion? Maybe this is... BRITTO; Promotion is important in raising awareness, but Beyonce has her soldiers that are doing the work for her. So she creates the property, the content, and her soldiers and fan base has done the work for her. So the potency and currency that Beyonce Knowles has is evident in the fever and epic proportion in which she released this record. When I first heard it, I was like, "Wait a minute." Everybody said, "Beyonce released an album." I was like, "Well, she sings. She's supposed to."
[Britto:] But normally, people release records with months and months of promotion.
[Lemon:] Yes, yes.
[Britto:] She did it her way, and it's working magically.
[Lemon:] Always good to see you, Ms. Britto.
[Britto:] Thank you.
[Lemon:] Happy holidays to you. Merry Christmas.
[Britto:] Same to you.
[Lemon:] All right. Appreciate it. Coming up here, we're going to talk about Kanye West now comparing himself to police officers and soldiers. And now a real cop is responding, telling Kanye, "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself." That's next. And later, Speaker of the House John Boehner is fed up with members of his own party. He said some of the Tea Party groups have, quote, "lost all credibility." So I'm just going to go ahead and ask. Is the GOP chief suddenly unafraid of the extreme right wing? Stay with us.

[Blitzer:] Welcome back. We're coming to you live from Jerusalem where we're following the intense efforts to try to broker a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. Let's talk about that and more with Mark Regev, he's the spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Thanks very much for joining us. So once again, are you close to a cease-fire in Gaza?
[Mark Regev, Spokesman For Israeli Prime Minister:] We don't know, because Hamas apparently says no. We saw the Hamas leader today talk publicly and he put so many conditions on a cease-fire, he makes it impossible. Israel has shown a willingness. We have said so in the past. We've been ready for an immediate cease-fire, and Hamas makes that impossible. And in doing so, Hamas condemns both the Israelis and the Palestinians, the people of Gaza to continued bloodshed. And Hamas is solely responsible for the continuation of this conflict.
[Blitzer:] If there's a cease-fire, would you as a longer term process, would you allow international monitors to go into Gaza as part of an effort to demilitarize the Gaza Strip.
[Regev:] It should be demilitarized. There's no reason for any rockets or any terrorism whatsoever in the Gaza Strip. You know, we pulled out of Gaza. We pulled out. We took down all the settlements. We pulled back the international frontier, and we hoped at the time that we would be able to live in peace with Gaza, that there would be corporation; there would be commerce, tourism, trade, people going back and forth. Hamas took over the Gaza strip. Instead of having cooperation, we've had conflict. If the situation was to change, if there wasn't balance from Gaza, then the restrictions we placed on many of them to protect ourselves, they wouldn't be necessary.
[Blitzer:] Would you pull out all Israeli forces in Gaza, your Israeli troops in Gaza right now? Would you pull out all of those forces and allow international monitors to go in to police, if you will, some sort of internationally guaranteed cease-fire?
[Regev:] Part of our ethos is that we defend ourselves. We've never asked the United States or any other country to defend us. Now we cannot pull out our troops as long as those rockets keep firing down on our cities, as long as Hamas keeps trying to kill our people.
[Blitzer:] But we're talking about monitors not necessarily protecting Israel to observe to make sure that the Gaza Strip would be demilitarized.
[Regev:] Well, if Gaza is demilitarized, it would be a major achievement. And you should know, Wolf, there's a Palestinian signed commitment that that should be the case. And the fact that there are so many rockets in Gaza is a violation of signed agreements in the framework of the peace process.
[Blitzer:] What do you know about the shelling of this school, this shelter in Gaza, Beit Hanoun in Gaza, 16 Palestinians killed, civilians, maybe 200 injured. What is the Israeli government saying about this?
[Regev:] Well, our military is still looking into it. It's obviously a tragedy, because some civilians seem to have been killed. And it's a very sad situation. And you can't see those pictures and not be moved. We don't know exactly yet what happened. The U.N. has reported, the U.N. that there was Palestinian rocket fire in that area. So it could have been Palestinian ordinance. It could have been Palestinian ordinance. It could have also been we don't know yet Israeli fire, because there were fire fights in that area. We've had continuous examples of Palestinian terrorists, Hamas, using U.N. facilities, U.N. schools as part of their military machine. The secretary-general of the United Nations who was here two days ago has asked for an official inquiry. Why is it that U.N. facilities have been used to store rockets by Hamas? So when Hamas does this, when Hamas abuses a U.N. facility, when Hamas turns a U.N. facility into a war zone, ultimately, they're responsible for any casualties that happen there.
[Blitzer:] A U.N. spokesman says on two occasions they tried to get Israel, the IDF, to agree to cede the coordinates so that Palestinians in that shelter could have an exodus, if you will, could leave in peace, but they got no response from Israel.
[Regev:] We've got very good relations with the U.N. bodies. We want to support their humanitarian work. And we today agree that between 10 a.m. local time and 2 p.m. local time, there would be time for a U.N. corridor to let people leave. Unfortunately, our understanding is the terrorists didn't let the people leave.
[Blitzer:] As far as the start-up again of U.S. flights, U.S. carriers flying to Ben Gurion Airport, as soon as that announcement was made, you just heard Martin Savidge report he was there at Ben Gurion Airport. There were four or five rocket attacks from Gaza that went nearby when central Israel, the Tel Aviv area, not far away from the airport. What is the reinsurance that you have that it will be safe for international and U.S. carriers to fly in and out of Ben Gurion Airport?
[Regev:] Not one of those rockets landed in the airport. Not one of them landed, not on the terminal and not the runway, because that airport is secure. That airport is one of the most safely guarded facilities in my country and rightly so. That airport is shielded by a multilayer defense system of missile defense, and incoming rockets cannot penetrate that the airport.
[Blitzer:] You know that when experts hear that there are sort of rockets and interceptions in the sky near an airport, they get nervous.
[Regev:] They're allowed to get nervous, but then they've got to be rational. I think an Israeli guest before me said that some airports around the world, including in America, who are in earthquake zones, there's a higher probability that you'll have a problem there than you'll have at Ben Gurion Airport. I'd remind you that in Israel we do some things well and we do some things very well. And aviation security in this country we do very well.
[Blitzer:] How did you convince the FAA in Washington to go ahead and lift that ban after 36 hours?
[Regev:] We were totally transparent. We got our airport security professionals to speak directly to their U.S. counterparts. And they had a professional dialogue with security expert, aviation expert, with the aviation effort, and we showed them that Ben Gurion Airport is safe and open for business.
[Blitzer:] Yesterday, when I spoke to the spokesman for Hamas, Osama Hamdan, he acknowledged that the Hamas rockets are being aimed at Ben Gurion Airport, in part, he says, because there are Israeli air force military activities going on there, as well.
[Regev:] Well, first of all, it's not a military airport. And frankly, Hamas is being disingenuous. Hamas has a track record of targeting innocent civilians. Just blows us here in Jerusalem. You remember a time when Hamas was exploding suicide bombers on buses, killing scores of different people. Hamas shoots rockets indiscriminately into Israeli cities, trying to kill our people. Hamas kidnaps youngsters and murders them brutally. I mean, the Hamas spokesman doesn't say nice things on CNN, but the truth is, they are a brutal, extreme, violent terrorist organization committed to a crazy religious creed, a warped version of Islam. They are the enemies of everyone who believes in peace and reconciliation, tolerance and democracy.
[Blitzer:] Earlier today, I spoke with a Palestinian parliamentarian, Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, a man you probably know.
[Regev:] I do.
[Blitzer:] He said right now, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority of President Mahmoud Hamas were on the same page when it comes to a cease-fire with Israel, that Hamas is ready for an five-day cease- fire, but Israel is rejecting that.
[Regev:] That's be clear here. There's an Egyptian proposal that's been on the table for a week now, an Egyptian proposal that calls for an immediate unconditional cease-fire to end the violence. We've accepted that proposal. And that proposal is supported by the United Nations and the Arab League and the Palestinian government of President Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas opposes that cease-fire. And Hamas is directly responsible therefore for the continued bloodshed, because they are the only party that refuses a cease-fire today.
[Blitzer:] Is Secretary John Kerry coming back here in Israel or is he done with his current leg of shuttle diplomacy as far as you know?
[Regev:] I don't know. If he comes back, he'll be a welcome visitor, because the U.S. secretary of state is always a welcome visitor in Israel. We are one of the few countries on the planet that is unabashedly pro-American.
[Blitzer:] Mark Regev, the spokesman for the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. Thanks very much for joining us.
[Regev:] My pleasure.
[Blitzer:] We've got a lot more news coming up, including new images, grim new discoveries. We're going to go live to Ukraine for the latest on what's going on there. Serious tensions involving the U.S. and Russia at the same time. Much more coming up. We're live here in Jerusalem. Our SITUATION ROOM special report continues.

[Blitzer:] Aircrews are getting ready to resume the hunt for Flight 370, but their target area has shifted again, moving closer to the Australian coast. This comes as Malaysia's prime minister arrives in Australia to get a firsthand look at the search efforts. CNN's Kyung Lah is joining us now from the staging area in Perth, Australia. Kyung, tell us, first of all, the latest about this revised search effort.
[Kyung Lah, Cnn Correspondent:] The way that this whole plan has worked as far as the new search area, is once they clear a certain section of the Indian Ocean, the planned search, they move it. And it's generally been contiguous. So you may notice if you are following this day by day, the search area moves. The reason why it moveed that much is because they've cleared that entire area. So it shifts. And that means they're actually making some progress. They've cleared an area. What's going to happen today is they'll try to clear more area. There are about a dozen planes scheduled to take to the air. In about 30 minutes, a new search day does begin off of Perth here. There will be nine ships at sea. They have stayed at sea throughout all of this. Weather conditions have not been terrible. And, Wolf, they are trying they did clear about 237 square kilometers yesterday, so they are making some pretty good progress. Wolf?
[Blitzer:] The Malaysia prime minister, Kyung, he's in Perth, as you know. He wants to get a firsthand look at what's going on. What else is he planning on doing, because cooperation between Malaysia and Australia clearly is critical?
[Lah:] Clearly critical, but we're not sure how much they're actually talking. They do seem like they're two separate investigations. Malaysia dealing with everything that happened before the plane disappeared, and then Australia picking up on the search and recovery. We did see the Malaysian prime minister touch ground yesterday here in Australia. We understand that he will be arriving here at the military base in Australia here just outside of Perth. He'll be doing this all in front of the cameras. He'll be going through and meeting some of the search teams. And so this, Wolf, is interesting because it does appear to be somewhat of an optics game. Wolf?
[Blitzer:] All right. Thanks very much, Kyung Lah. We'll check back with you. She's in Perth, Australia. Australia, by the way, is certainly bearing the brunt of the Flight 370 search effort. Joining us now is Australia's ambassador to the United States, Kim Beazley. Ambassador, thanks very much for coming in.
[Kim Beazley, Australian Ambassador To The United States:] Good to be with you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Tell us about the coordination, the prime minister of Malaysia now in Australia, ready to meet with your prime minister. What's the objective here?
[Beazley:] Well, firstly, the Malaysians are in charge of the overall investigation. And we are responsible for this part of the investigation, or the search, because it's in the Australian search zone. And so we're doing that coordination. But any materials that are found by any of the parties that are engaged in this will be taken to Perth. It will be collected there and then taken to Malaysia for the investigation.
[Blitzer:] So just to be precise, Malaysia is in overall charge...
[Beazley:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] but the search operation Australia is in charge?
[Beazley:] Yes, we are.
[Blitzer:] Have you found anything yet?
[Beazley:] No. As far as I'm aware, we haven't found anything yet. We're eliminating areas from our inquiries, as they as you would say. There's a very good search process out there. If there is any chance of finding anything, or anything to be found, this will find it.
[Blitzer:] What's frustrating is they keep moving the search zone. Originally, in the South China Sea. Then it was the southern part of the Indian Ocean...
[Beazley:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] Then 700 miles north, more in the central part of the Indian Ocean. Now closer, a couple hundred miles closer toward Australia. What is going on here?
[Beazley:] Well, I think the Boffins have had unbelievable challenges before them. This is the Inmarsat investigation was groundbreaking...
[Blitzer:] The satellite
[Beazley:] The satellite investigation was groundbreaking. And as a ground-breaking, exercise, it's a bit suck it and see. You suggest the particular areas in which an inquiry might take place and then it's we're eliminating those areas. So it will shift after we've gone through an area that was identified as possible. We'll look further in the areas adjacent to it. That's what's happening now. The previous search area was a product of an earlier calculation subsequently adjusted. We're not doing those calculations. Those calculations are being done by people with the sort of real background experience in how the satellites operate and calculations from that, but we do respond to it in the search areas that are created.
[Blitzer:] What happens if you don't find anything in this new search area, a few hundred miles to the east, closer to Australia?
[Beazley:] Well, Wolf, we'll keep going until hell freezes over. I mean I have experience of an incident in Western Australia which used to be researched when I was defense minister, trying to find this the crews of HMAS Sydney, which was sunk off the Australian coast. It took us 60 years, but we did find it. From this point on, well, if this aircraft is not found, there will be at the back of the mind of the Australian surveillance planes which operators which operate through this area all the time, that they have got to keep a lookout. Something will happen at some point in time. If it's gone down off the Australian coast, the Indian Ocean guy will take seats, cautions, whatever, onto the Australian coastline eventually. Now, this will be found...
[Blitzer:] That could take months. That could take months.
[Beazley:] It could take months. It could take years. But and that is what the new coordinator of information in Australia
[Blitzer:] And I just want to be precise. You have no doubt, based on everything your government has learned, that this plane wound up in the water?
[Beazley:] Well, all the we only go on the advice that we're given, Wolf. And we're given the advice by the people who have investigated this. And we are responding to that. It's come down, in their mind, in an area that is in Australia's area of search responsibility. Therefore, we coordinate it. And it's an extraordinary exercise Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, New Zealanders, Australians, some of whom get on well, some of them who don't, are all engaged in an exercise which shows just how much the plight of those poor people who are on that aircraft has touched the hearts of all of us.
[Blitzer:] I want to play for you a clip, the prime minister of Australia, Tony Abbott. He gave us all a lot of hope a couple of weeks ago when he said this.
[Tony Abbott, Australian Prime Minister:] New and credible information has come to light in relation to the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information, based on satellite imagery, of objects possibly related to the search.
[Blitzer:] At that point, he was pretty upbeat about what was going on. But hopes have been dashed since then.
[Beazley:] Yes, it's a very difficult process. It's a it's not one that we're completely unfamiliar with, as I said, in searches off the Australian coast. This is a vast area. But there is hope and there's also determination. Hope may get qualified by the length of time it's taking to do things, but determination will stay there. We are a very close we are we have very close relationships with the Chinese and very close relationships with the Malaysians. We're not in the business of letting them down.
[Blitzer:] And you say the search will continue until hell freezes over. I want to bring Richard Quest into our conversation. He has a question for you, Ambassador Richard, go ahead.
[Richard Quest, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes. Ambassador, good evening to you.
[Beazley:] Good evening.
[Quest:] One of the big issues is, no one doubts the willingness and the capabilities and the competence of the search operation. But the traveling public is looking at this and absolutely aghast on a question of confidence in aviation, that basically, bluntly, a 777 can go missing and no one knows where it is. You can see that, can't you?
[Beazley:] Well, I can see that, Richard. And I can see why you're concerned about that. And I think one of things that's been happening, and in part, as a result of the intensive activity that you and others have given this, with considerable expertise, is right now, around the world, people must be sitting down and thinking about proper controls on transponders. What, if any, information ought to be led up for the black box? You couldn't let it all up, but you might be able to send bits and pieces of it up to satellites from time to time. People have already learned a lot about aviation safety from the exercise to this point. I don't think the thing will be the same again. But one thing will be absolutely the case, and that is governments right around the globe will react to this and start to insist on some changes from the airlines.
[Blitzer:] And I know six Australian citizens were aboard that plane, so this hits home to everyone in Australia, particularly Qantas Airlines.
[Beazley:] Yes.
[Blitzer:] I don't know if you fly 777s. Does Qantas Airlines?
[Beazley:] I don't fly 777s, but I do fly 777s home, because from Washington to Perth Perth is my home.
[Blitzer:] So Qantas doesn't fly 777s.
[Beazley:] They don't. But Emirates, which have a which has a relationship with Qantas does. I fly home every year at least once using a 777.
[Blitzer:] It's a very popular plane.
[Beazley:] It's a popular plane. And it is a terrific plane. In terms of the human dimensions of this, I a story needs to be told. Air Chief Marshall Houston, who is an enormously capable aviator and is in charge of
[Blitzer:] Your air marshal.
[Beazley:] Yes. Yes, in charge of the process, when that lass has been on your show that from Perth, who is terribly troubled by the missing her husband missing said that she wasn't getting enough information, he gave her his personal cell. So she can contact him anytime she likes and he will respond.
[Blitzer:] A final question. Mechanical failure or criminal activity?
[Beazley:] Well, from what has been told by the Malaysian authorities, they seem to be leaning toward the criminal activity.
[Blitzer:] Either the pilot or the co-pilot or some crew member?
[Beazley:] Or somebody else in regard to that claim.
[Blitzer:] And that's Australia's conclusion, as well?
[Beazley:] No. We we take our conclusions from the Malaysians. They're heading up this investigation.
[Blitzer:] Ambassador, thanks very much for coming in. We hope you'll come back.
[Beazley:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] Kim Beazley is the ambassador of Australia to the United States. Our special coverage of the mystery of Flight 370 continues. In the next hour, we're also learning more about today's closed-door meeting of Malaysian officials and some of the passengers' families. But there's another major story we're watching developing in the wake of a deadly earthquake. We're bringing in some frightening new pictures of the moment everything started shaking and even worst quakes: are they still to come?

[Banfield:] CNN is digging deeper into the pot boom this week. Sales of marijuana have taken off in Colorado since it became legal on January 1st, and more states are considering legalizing medical marijuana, not recreational, medical. Tomorrow night, Dr. Sanjay Gupta continues his ground breaking reporting in a documentary called "Weed Part 2." Here's a sneak peek.
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Cnn Chief Medical Correspondent:] The federal government says marijuana is among the most addictive drugs with no medicinal value. Many serious scientists say they're wrong.
[Unidentified Male:] It's a medicine.
[Gupta:] It's the politics of pot, pitting policy against patients, trapped in the middle, sick, qualified people who want medical marijuana, but can't get it. Because it's illegal.
[Banfield:] Well, you might want to ask some of the questions that relate to all of that to a family personally impacted by Dr. Gupta's first documentary. Aaron and Dawn Klepinger's son Hunter has severe epilepsy. Now, they shared this video with us and allowed us to show it to you because they want you to be able to see the kinds of terrible seizures this young child goes through. The Klepingers say their lives change precipitously when they saw Charlotte, a little girl in Sanjay's first documentary. She had a similar condition to Hunter, and Charlotte was being treated successfully with a liquid form of marijuana, the strain of which, by the way, is now known as Charlotte's Web. It's a available in Colorado, but not necessarily everywhere else. So what did they do? They lived in Georgia, and they picked up, and they moved Hunter to Colorado right away, so that they could start a similar treatment like Charlotte is undergoing. And they say that Hunter's seizures went from as many as 100 per day to sometimes only two per week. And I'm happy now to be joined by Dawn, who is in Atlanta, and Aaron and Hunter who together are joining us from Colorado. Welcome to all of you. And Aaron, I'd like to begin with you, if I can, please. I just wanted to get a feel from you as to how the treatment is going. The initial fact sounds incredible. Has it lasted?
[Aaron Klepinger, Son Has Severe Epilepsy:] It has. It's actually improved over time, and from the very first dose we saw huge changes in our son, from decreased seizures to increased relaxation and happiness. It's been nothing but a miracle for us and a lot of people use that term kind of loosely, but for him, it's been absolutely fantastic, and he started he was having 24 minutes a week of seizures, and he's down under four minutes now. So it's been absolutely life-changing, not only for him, but for our entire family.
[Banfield:] Aaron, would you be able to sit with him like you are right now? I can see you holding his hand. He's just so cute. I was going to tell you, from one mom to another dad. Would you be able to sit with him right now and have this interview with me if you didn't have this Charlotte's Web?
[A. Klepinger:] I he would be much less relaxed than he is now, and very likely he would be having some severe seizures in front of you where he, you know, could go upward sometimes of 20 to 25 minutes, unstopping, just continuous.
[Banfield:] And Dawn
[A. Klepinger:] So probably not.
[Banfield:] I know it's hard to travel and I know you're a long way away from your husband and your baby, but I wanted to ask you, there is so little empirical scientific study of what THC, even in the low, low doses that this extraction actually delivers to your child, but there is so little known at this point about what kind of permanent effect this could have on Hunter, that compared with what kind of permanent effect the seizures that he continuously had and the medications he was taking
[D. Klepinger, Son Has Severe Epilepsy:] Well, we were a lot more sorry. We were having seizures constantly before and that affected his development globally across the board. And now he's more alert and paying attention more to things, and we think that, you know, cognitively, he's more aware. And so we think the medicine is helping more than anything. And the seizures having less seizures, cognitively, will help him out, I believe, over time.
[Banfield:] Is it in the back of your mind, though? Are you sort of thinking, look, at this point, anything anything to stop the madness, just to stop what our family is going through, to give this child some relief no one knows anything at this point with regard to what the seizures are doing to him, with regard to what the traditional medications are doing to him? At this point, we'll just take anything to get the least bit of relief for Hunter?
[D. Klepinger:] Right. The pharmaceuticals made his seizures worse. They made him scream constantly. They made him sleep constantly. So, we're actually seeing our boy awake and alert now for the first time in eight years. So, we're very happy with the results we've seen.
[Banfield:] Well, I'm really thankful that you shared your story and Hunter's story, and I mean it. He is cute as a button.
[D. Klepinger:] Thank you.
[Banfield:] Please thank him for us. Aaron, thank you so much, and, Dawn, good luck to you and I hope you continue to see the results that you so desperately deserve. It's good of you to join us today.
[A. Klepinger:] Thanks for having us.
[Banfield:] My pleasure. And I want to remind our audience, as well, that Sanjay has been doing some just stellar work, really stellar work. And I want to make sure you can tune into CNN tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. Eastern time where Dr. Gupta is going to continue this groundbreaking reporting on medical marijuana. The special is called "Weed 2: Cannabis Madness." I highly encourage you to check it out. The father of Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook school shooter, is breaking his silence. He is speaking for the first time, in-depth, about his son, the shooting, and his own personal nightmares about what happened. We've got the details, just ahead.

[Hala Gorani, Cnn Contributor:] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the program. I'm Hala Gorani, in for Christiane Amanpour. Is this the nightmare scenario for Egypt's revolution? Waking up to find that not only are you back where you started, but that things may actually be worse? Just over two years ago, Egyptians took to Tahrir Square and ousted their long-term leader, Hosni Mubarak. Back then, you'll remember, streets were mostly filled with joy and hope. But today, a much different, darker story. The country is going through its most bloody episode in recent history. A military-backed government is in power again, after ousting the country's first democratically-elected president. Now they're cracking down on his Muslim Brotherhood supporters and so far nearly 1,000 are dead. Also what seemed unthinkable in the post-revolutionary fervor could now be a reality. News today that ex-dictator Hosni Mubarak may be back on the scene. His lawyer says he could be released from prison within weeks while waiting to be retried for his connection to 800 deaths during the 2011 uprising. Well, despite all of this, the military-backed interim government claims the country is still on the path to democracy. But with so much blood spilled, can Egypt really move forward from all this? Tonight, an opportunity to speak with someone from Egypt's current government, Nabil Fahmy is Egypt's interim foreign minister. I spoke to him earlier on the phone from neighboring Sudan.
[Gorani:] Minister Nabil Fahmy, the interim foreign minister for Egypt, thank you for being with us on CNN today.
[Nabil Fahmy, Egyptian Foreign Minister:] You're welcome.
[Gorani:] All right. First question, I've got to ask you this, is Egypt still on the path to democracy with everything that's gone on, all the bloodshed over the last several days?
[Fahmy:] If you look at the history of all countries in transformation, from authoritarian rule to democracy, they've all had bumps on the road. Many of them have taken actually almost 100 years to get this done. And we do not plan to do that. It has been a very frustrating few weeks and we mourn seriously all the bloodshed, all the losses, irrespective of their affiliation politically. But yes, the commitment still is to the road map, still is to [inaudible]. It's going to take a bit more time, however because we need to stabilize security, so people can think rationally rather than emotionally.
[Gorani:] But you are calling almost 1,000 dead a bump on the road to democracy, Minister Fahmy?
[Fahmy:] What I said is that we obviously have a stumble on the road. There is a security problem; we're trying to deal with that. As soon as we get that settled, I do believe we will come back to [inaudible] model, and vigorously.
[Gorani:] So you are a civilian in a military-backed government. Do you an interim government, I should say. Do you still trust the military to usher your country into a true pluralistic democracy?
[Fahmy:] I'm a civilian in a civilian government that has a clear mandate and a clear commitment to pursue the road map which means [inaudible] constitution within the next 2-3 months. Having two elections after that and then handing over power to whoever majority exists. That's our goal.
[Gorani:] Let me ask you about Hosni Mubarak. There were reports now that the ex-president, the deposed president, Hosni Mubarak, would be released within days according to his lawyer. And when people hear that and those who criticize the fact that Mohammed Morsy himself was removed with the help and the support of the military, they say what was all this for? What was this revolution for in Egypt? Is he going to be released?
[Fahmy:] Well, first of all, I'm in Khartoum, as you know. So I actually did not know the details of what was announced today. Lawyers have a tendency to promote their own cases in the press. But ultimately if he's released or is not released, this will be done by the court, according to the law, if as complicated as it is, the court has to be the one judging on this. It, of course, will be taken very emotionally by other the people. But you can argue that in spite of all that the court releases him then the court is showing its independence.
[Gorani:] You know of course full well that Mohamed ElBaradei, the interim vice president, resigned from his post. He said there were other ways to do what was done in those two squares that were cleared by the military and he doesn't want his name attached to this. Did you ever have any second thoughts about how this was all handled or any thoughts at all about stepping down yourself?
[Fahmy:] First of all, Dr. ElBaradei explained the reason why he resigned. Let's leave it at that. I don't want to comment on somebody else's decisions, especially in his absence. I respect everyone's choices and Dr. ElBaradei is a friend of mine. These this has been a very difficult phase. The decision to formally instruct the [inaudible], the police to intervene in this, as the prime minister said, was a very, very difficult decision. And I said [inaudible] whether they are a member of secularists or of politics or Islamic parties.
[Gorani:] But do you think that do you think that if I if I may jump in, security forces went overboard here. Do you think this was handled properly? And did you ever have any thoughts about stepping down or are you fully confident in your role in this government?
[Fahmy:] It was clear that trying to engage two sides like Nada and Raba with that number of people, including a significant amount of weapons, in one of them at least, if not both, there was obviously going to be casualties. And that was something of concern to all of us. On the other hand, there were also concerns about are the negotiators trying to prolong it indefinitely, even increased further their capacity to cause losses and random havoc. And frankly, if you look at what happened Friday, last Friday, less than half a mile from my house I could hear it and watch it on live television. People were walking on the bridge with live ammunition and machine guns, shooting into buildings randomly. This was really a planned attack to terrorize the people. So am I comfortable with what happened? Of course not. But ultimately, the responsibility of the government is to enhance security and then find and negotiate solutions with peaceful solutions to it.
[Gorani:] Interim Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy, thank you very much for joining us today.
[Fahmy:] You're welcome.
[Gorani:] As the political chaos in Egypt continues, its economy is in shambles. Egypt's unemployment rate, the official one, by the way, not counting underemployment, it was a major driver for Egypt's young revolutionaries. Take a look at the figures. It was at 9 percent in 2011. It has soared to almost 14 percent today. The 9 percent figure before Mubarak was ousted, more than 25 percent of the population now lives below the poverty line. And as the world watches, the massive protests and bloody violence, tourism, which usually generates more than 10 percent of Egypt's GDP, has grinded [sic] to a halt. Mohamed El-Erian is CEO of PIMCO, a global investment firm. He's Egyptian, of course, and is p paying very close attention to the events unfolding in his country. And he joins me now from California. Thanks very much for being with us. You look at the current situation, and you said, in one piece I saw you quoted in, "This is the dark side of political awakening." What do you mean by that?
[Mohamed El-erian, Ceo, Pimco:] So if you look at what happened in January 2011, it was a fundamental political awakening of the Egyptian person. After feeling like a landless peasant in a country that was ruled for a privilege few, suddenly the average Egyptian was empowered. And empowered and feel to feel ownership for his or her country and to be able to control his or her destiny. That's why they came back on the street in 2012 when they felt that the previous interim military government wasn't handing off quickly. And that's why they came back to the street again in June on June 30th. So there's a process of empowerment and, Hala, that's why there is no going back. I think the question is how do you go forward from here? But there is no going back to a culture of fear and a culture of representation.
[Gorani:] But you say that. However, if you look at some of the most recent developments, those who are afraid that things might be going back, we'll point to Hosni Mubarak perhaps released, also military rulers in power. The freedom of the press, in many ways, is very much threatened, having to register with intelligence services in order to get permits to report. I mean, all these things are a throwback to the Mubarak era, no?
[El-erian:] So they are and you have to understand whether they're going to persist or not. So this is a country trying the most tricky of all revolutionary pivot, which is to go from dismantling the past to building a better future. Now normally that process is helped and facilitated by institutions and strong leaders. Egypt today, unfortunately, has neither of these. So the system will try and go back. But I don't think the people allow it to go back. So it is, unfortunately, a very messy process. And it's a very tragic process. You know, almost 1,000 people have lost their lives in the last few days. So I think that collectively Egyptians have to realize that they have to come together. I, who look at the economy, worry, because every single day that we stay in this regime is much harder to pull the economy back out. And the economy was fragile to begin with.
[Gorani:] And that's always usually very much a threat to national security when such a large portion of young people are out of work. When you look at the Egyptian economy today, what in the current context, what goes through your mind? What do you think should be done?
[El-erian:] So I'm torn, Hala, between the tragedy of today and every element in the economy is under strong pressure, growth is almost nonexistent. There are no jobs being created. There are jobs being lost. And the budget and the balance of things are coming under pressure against the reality of when you empower people, when people feel that they can control their destiny, you see great things. SO if you go to Egypt at the micro level, you see people, entrepreneurship and other things happening. So it's a question of trying to get that pivot done.
[Gorani:] And of course very few people know more than you, I should say very few people know more than you about global funds and investment. And one of the interesting facts that we pulled was the market cap, the value of the whole Egyptian stock market, about $50 billion U.S. If you look at Apple, the company, it's worth almost 10 times that. This is a country of 85 million people. It is so far behind.
[El-erian:] That's the tragedy, Hala. This is an economy that has been held back in terms of its potential. This is about human talent that has not been allowed to meet its potential. So there is a good story to be told about Egypt and there's a good future. But the immediate situation is to get a process of national political reconciliation. Without that, Hala, it's going to be very difficult to move forward.
[Gorani:] You were named head of the U.S. Global Development Council in 2012 by Barack Obama. Were you asked for your opinion about current events in Egypt?
[El-erian:] No. No, I have not been asked.
[Gorani:] OK. And if you were, what advice would you give?
[El-erian:] I would say it's very difficult for any outsider, including someone like me living outside Egypt. It's very difficult for any outsider right now to have any influence in Egypt. The best thing to do is to maintain optionality in the short term, to be there, to inform and help, but not to think you can influence or dictate, because you cannot and you should not. This is something that the Egyptians living in Egypt have to sort out. But over the longer term, facilitate the empowerment of the people, facilitate entrepreneurship, facilitate small and medium term enterprises and forget about this notion that aid can do it all. That's the past. The future is about empowering the Egyptians.
[Gorani:] Mohamed El-Erian, the CEO of PIMCO, great pleasure talking to you today. Thanks so much for being with us.
[El-erian:] Thank you.
[Gorani:] All right. Well, as democracy disappears in Egypt or it appears so in many cases supporters of the ousted president Mohammed Morsy fear they may share the same fate. Some of them, like this man in this picture, make sure their names and addresses are written on their clothing and sometimes on their skin. That way family and friends can identify them in case they're injured or killed. And after a break, the national hero who became a tabloid sensation when he shot his glamorous girlfriend last Valentine's Day. Today in South Africa, Oscar Pistorius was charged with her murder and faces a lifetime behind bars. That's when we come back. Stay with us.

[Smerconish:] Welcome back. All eyes are on Las Vegas and what will be the richest bout in boxing history. Mayweather versus Pacquiao and there's a lot at stake. Floyd Mayweather, the overall favorite, is an 11-time world champion and currently undefeated. While Manny Pacquiao is looking to defend his WBO welterweight crown. Tonight will no doubt be a fight for the ages, the winner tonight will be viewed as the best boxer of his era. There's nobody better to preview the big match-up than Larry Merchant, considered the greatest TV boxing analyst of all time. And you might remember his famous interview with Mayweather back in 2011 when he questioned the boxing great over the fairness of his knockout punches.
[Merchant:] You were in charge of the fight. You were aggressive and try and taking advantage of what
[Mayweather:] You don't ever give me a fair shake, you know that? Someone let you talk to Victor Ortiz, all right? I'm through.
[Merchant:] What are you talking about?
[Mayweather:] HBO needs to fire you because you don't know shit about boxing. You ain't shit. Here you're not shit.
[Merchant:] I wish I was 50 years younger and I'd kick your ass.
[Smerconish:] Larry Merchant joins me now. Larry, here's the question, if Mayweather gets past Pacquiao, will the people finally get to see Mayweather v. Merchant?
[Merchant:] It's been talked about. We know it took a long time to make Mayweather and Pacquiao. It may take as long or longer to make Mayweather and Merchant.
[Smerconish:] Were you surprised by the life that that took on, of its own? I mean people were making t-shirts. It's been viewed, Larry, more than a million times on YouTube.
[Merchant:] A grandson of mine told my I was trending past Justin Bieber. I I thought it was a momentary thing, something that would have a very short life. But wherever I go, people throw that line back at me and we all get a smile out of it. It would be no lower than the second paragraph of my obituary.
[Smerconish:] Hopefully, that will be 100 years from now. For the uninitiated, what's the story line of this evening?
[Merchant:] Well, that it's a huge event. And that boxing like all sports needs these big events that transcend the sport, that reach out to people who aren't necessarily interested in it. As a game, but get attracted to what is a popular culture event.
[Smerconish:] It shows that boxing, what I prefer to call prize fighting still has some resonance and is still important to some people and can still galvanize people around the planet. Are these two worth the hype or is the interest in this fight more reflective of the fact that the boxing has been in decline, that it's been facing challenges from an MMA crowd that it never had to compete with before?
[Merchant:] There have various opinions on that. You know, boxing has been a cable television sport for 20 or 25 years, but very active in that realm, with its own subculture of viewers. And occasionally something breaks out. These have been the two best or best-known fighters of the 21st century. And people have been awaiting this fight for five years, since Pacquiao broke through as an international star and celebrity. And Mayweather had been a well-known name from a family of fighters and had been an outstanding fighter himself. I think of Mayweather as the best pure boxer of his time. And Pacquiao is the best fighter of his time. And so, a lot of people want to see what happens when they test each other.
[Smerconish:] I know that you're providing analysis for my favorite beer, Tecate, the one I drink with the lime, because I've been watching you with Sylvester Stallone. When Larry Merchant, with your trained eye is watching the fight tonight, what are you looking for?
[Merchant:] You know, usually the excitement in Mayweather fights end at the first bell, because he is a controlled fighter, a virtuoso, defensive technical fighter who can control the action or inaction in his fights. He's brilliant at that. Whereas Manny Pacquiao is the more active fighter and who will take some risks. And so, I'm just curious to see how that scenario plays out. How the relative speed of them plays out. The relative size, because Mayweather is the bigger man. He is the favorite. I think he probably has in mind of looking for an opportunity to do something dramatic. But he is one of those fighters who would normally rather watch a dramatic fight than be in it.
[Smerconish:] Larry, can I just say that when I was a kid, Howard Cosell's voice made it an event. I'll never forget March 8, '71 at the Garden, I had to wait and watch the highlights on "The Wild World of Sports." But for me as an adult, you have filled that void, it's Larry Merchant's voice that makes it an event. Thank you so much for being here.
[Merchant:] It's been an honor, thank you.
[Smerconish:] I'll be right back.

[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] And good evening. This is CNN TONIGHT. I'm Don Lemon.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] Great to be with you, Don. I'm Alisyn Camerota.
[Lemon:] Well, tonight, chilling words from the apparent executioner of American journalist Steven Sotloff.
[Unidentified Male:] So, just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.
[Lemon:] Experts fear that terrorist that terrorist becoming a star who can recruit even more fighters. What will it take to stop him, Alisyn?
[Camerota:] So, tonight, we have got a team of experts here to weigh in on the terror threat and the military response. Also and this is going to be fascinating a former jihadist who knows how the terrorists work, how dangerous they really are, and how to break their mind-set.
[Lemon:] Plus, we will have the very latest on Joan Rivers on life support in New York's Mount Sinai Hospital. Is surgery more dangerous than we realize? But we're going to begin with the very latest on the fight against ISIS. President Barack Obama is sending additional U.S. military personnel into Iraq. And that comes just after the release of that video that appears to show the beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff. CNN's justice correspondent, Pamela Brown, is in Washington for us this evening and also Karl Penhaul is in London. Good evening to both of you. But, Pamela, I'm going to start with you first. I want to get the breaking news in tonight. More U.S. military personnel headed to Iraq, what do we know about that?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] Yes, Don, we're learning today the U.S. is sending over approximately 350 additional military personnel on the ground in Baghdad to provide additional security for the embassy and other diplomatic facilities over there. And this brings the total numbers of troops who are providing diplomatic security in Iraq to 820. Don, a statement from the White House notes the troops will not be serving in a combat role upon arriving and that the White House was fulfilling a request from the State Department as the country continues to fight
[Isis. Lemon:] And I want to turn now to that gruesome ISIS video, Karl. You have seen the video in its entirely. Describe what you saw.
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn Correspondent:] Don, it's close to three minutes. It's a video with relatively high production values. At least two cameras appear to have been used in that video. Steven Sotloff, the 31-year-old American journalist, appears once again in an orange jumpsuit, reminiscent of the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, also alongside him, a man who seems very similar to the man who appeared in the James Foley execution video two weeks ago. He also speaks with the same distinctive British accent that experts say is a multicultural London accent. That man once again talks to Obama and says, "Obama, I'm back." And then he concludes that video, warning Obama to back off and stay away. We see at some point a knife being passed across Steven Sotloff's throat, and then later pictures of his severed head on top of his body, a very difficult video to watch. And apparently ISIS making good on its threat that Steven Sotloff would be next if the U.S. did not cease its airstrikes on ISIS positions in Iraq Don.
[Camerota:] And, Karl, it's Alisyn here. That video is obviously sickening. CNN is only going to play a small portion of the message, in part because it is clearly propaganda from this terrorist group. But here is the small portion that we will play so the viewers get a taste of it.
[Unidentified Male:] Because of your insistence of continuing your bombings in Amirli and in Mosul dam, despite our serious warnings, you, Obama, have yet again, through your actions, killed yet another American citizen. So, just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.
[Camerota:] So, Karl, what do we know about this executioner?
[Penhaul:] Well, from what we have already gleaned, and that principally from the James Foley execution video two weeks ago, that experts, British intelligence experts, in fact, were saying 10 days ago they were pretty close to identifying who he was. We haven't heard from them yet if they have in fact managed to identify who he is and where he is from. But he does speak with that pretty distinctive accent that language experts say is from a multicultural district of London. But beyond that, we really don't know publicly at least who he ISIS. But, clearly, ISIS has put him up there for propaganda purposes, possibly also some people say to draw other foreigners to the jihadi cause, Alisyn.
[Lemon:] And, Karl, we want to hear now from Steven Sotloff himself. And we're showing this limited portion of his message, because we think it is very important to hear him and see how incredibly brave he is in his last moments. Steven Sotloff's last words on the video were clearly coerced. And for all we know, we thought that he his life would be spared possibly if he cooperated. So here is a brief portion of his remarks on video. Take a look.
[Steven Sotloff, American Captive:] Obama, your foreign policy of intervention in Iraq was supposed to be for the preservation of American lives and interests. So why is it that I'm having to pay the price of your interference with my life?
[Lemon:] Karl, how is that message being interpreted tonight?
[Penhaul:] Well, there is no indication that U.S. administration is going to pull back from its campaign of airstrikes on ISIS positions, and also the indications that the U.S. may be considering airstrikes in Syria. Also, in terms of Britain, one of the United States' major allies there, Britain has also said that it is considering arming the Kurdish militias, who we know are fighting ISIS, and also Prime Minister David Cameron has said he will consider giving more intelligence to the U.S. to help it in its bombing campaign. And that brings a world of problems to the British prime minister because not only are we now faced with the fact that the executioner appears to be British, but also at the very end of this brutal video, a third man is brought forward, and that is at least, according to the ISIS propaganda video, a third Briton, British hostage, we didn't even know was being held hostage. The clear implication there, if this campaign against ISIS continues, that Briton will be the next in line for execution, Don.
[Lemon:] Karl Penhaul, Pamela Brown, thanks to see you both this evening.
[Camerota:] All right, Don, we want to bring in Rita Katz. She's the director of the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks the online activities of terrorists organizations. And her organization first spotted this new ISIS video today. Rita, thanks so much for being here. Explain how you came upon this video.
[Rita Katz, Director, Search For International Terrorist Entities:] Well, we at SITE for over a decade monitor, search, and study the jihadists online. You had me speaking here before, talking about the threat of the online recruitment and jihad network and infrastructure. We have been studying and monitoring the jihadists online, which also as they get more sophisticated, we follow their techniques and study them. And based on that, we could predict where they will be uploading their video. After all, we have to remember that much of this propaganda is being posted online. Their releases are released online. So they have to be able to use certain locations to upload their releases before they are published.
[Camerota:] And, Rita, do you know about this report that they did not intend to release this video today; somehow, it was leaked?
[Katz:] I mean, we released it because we found it on the site that they prepare for a release. I believe I strongly believe that it was supposed to be released today. And, in fact, they even posted a message on their social media official site, ISIS, that they will be releasing the video soon, and that was about very shortly after we released their video. They were also going to release it in other additional languages, German and French and Russian. But we first released the video.
[Camerota:] So, Rita, you study these guys. You have made your career out of following ISIS and similar groups. So how do you think the U.S. should be handling them?
[Katz:] I think that it's very important to understand the online infrastructure. We're all facing the problem of recruitment online. We're facing the problem of Americans, Brits, Australians, you name it, all over the world. Individuals are joining ISIS. The executer is British or at least has a British accent. Last week, we faced the problem of two Americans killed while fighting for ISIS. And the list is long. And we are facing currently the problem of how are we going to stop the radicalization process? Unfortunately, though, I don't remember any comprehensive study that was made by the United States or other governments in trying really to understand what makes, what creates the radicalization, what is making individuals going to fight with these groups from the sense of what is happening online? And the online component is so important. And as long as we will not pay attention to it, unfortunately, their recruitment will continue.
[Camerota:] So you think we aren't paying attention to it? You think the U.S. is not paying attention to the online component or that we're not as savvy as they are?
[Katz:] I believe that not enough is being done on the online network. I believe that the bottom line is that we have been in this war for almost 14 years. And at this stage, al Qaeda is very strong and ISIS is very strong and almost every single country in the world is facing the problem. What we can say for sure is that the drone attacks were not enough, because we are having a serious problem that we need to study, and studying the Internet is extremely important. I have testified before Congress years before, but 2007, 2008, and I said the problem of the Internet is going to be extremely important for every because the Internet breaks the borders. The problem over there suddenly becomes a problem over here.
[Camerota:] Yes.
[Katz:] The video is released there. The situation that is happening in Iraq is affecting every single individual. And among the problems we're having right now, not only that individuals from the United States and other Western countries are going to fight in Syria and Iraq. There are a lot that emotionally and ideologically supporting the group, and for various reasons, they can't leave, they can't go. And they are among us. And as long as the Internet will not be faced very seriously, I think that the radicalization process will be coming in even more an important threat.
[Camerota:] All right, we will be talking all about that for the next couple hours. Rita Katz, thanks so much for your insight. She says that we have to beat them at their own game and become as savvy as they are online, which we're not yet.
[Lemon:] Yes. I want to talk now to a woman who has known Steven Sotloff since they were both children. Danielle Berrin is a senior writer for L.A.'s Jewish Journal. Danielle, thank you for joining us tonight. I need to tell our viewers that you grew up and you went to school with Steven back in Miami. And when you first realized that the man in the video was your childhood friend when did you realize that?
[Danielle Berrin, Jewish Journal:] It was a couple of weeks ago when I saw the video in which James Foley was beheaded, and I was instantly horrified. Steven was my hero. He was traveling to the most dangerous, troubled places on the planet, so that he could report back stories of human suffering. He was someone who could not ignore pain and injustice. He felt responsible. And he had to respond.
[Lemon:] So, you know, you shared your first great class photo from your temple. And I want to show it here. You tell us that Steven Sotloff, there he is in the top second row from the right, and you're on the lower right. You hadn't seen him in 15 years. But he actually reached out to you in 2010 to reconnect, right?
[Berrin:] Yes, he did. I think we had a kinship because he knew I was writing and he was writing and we were both journalists, although I certainty would not put myself in the same category as him. But he did reach out to me. And he would send me lovely notes. And he would send me articles that he was writing and send them from wherever in the world he was. He would always let me know when he was going into the Middle East. And I know that was a passion of his. He really felt a responsibility to go there and tell stories of human degradation and pain.
[Camerota:] And, Danielle, we're playing only a small portion of the hideous video that was released, in part to show Steven's stoicism at the hands of this barbaric act. And I know that you say that it was a trademark of his personality to not cower from danger.
[Berrin:] No, I mean, what I remember of him and for some reason, he was one of those he was one of those kids who just made an impression on you. I have such a powerful memory of him even from such a young age. He was goofy and playful and fun, and just so full of light and joy. And he was an incredible, beautiful soul and spirit.
[Lemon:] Have you spoken to the family tonight? And if so, or lately, how are they doing, do you know?
[Berrin:] I have not spoken to the family. They have asked that people respect their privacy. I can only imagine the horrific amount of grief that they're feeling at this moment. But I have been in touch with friends from home and certainly people from the synagogue that Steven and I both belonged to. And it's just the whole community is grieving. It's a terrible tragedy. And I think anyone, you know, who cares about freedom of expression and human life should be appalled and saddened by this really horrific act.
[Lemon:] Yes, barbaric. Thank you very much, Danielle Berrin, a childhood friend of Steven Sotloff.
[Berrin:] Yes.
[Lemon:] And as we have been talking about the family, you know the mom last week made a plea for the release of her son, and then all of the sudden this today.
[Camerota:] She made a personal appeal to the head of ISIS, Baghdadi, hoping that, speaking as a mother, that it would change the course of fate. But, of course, it did not.
[Lemon:] It did not. When we come right back, from ISIS to Al-Shabab, is the White House doing too much or not enough to battle terrorism? We will ask a man who has reported from hot spots around the world. That's Nick Kristof.
[Camerota:] Also, how terrorists recruit young people in this country. A former jihadist is going to tell his personal story.
[Lemon:] And then Joan Rivers on life support in New York City, in a New York hospital. Are the surgical procedures we take for granted more dangerous than we realize?

[Sciutto:] Welcome back to THE LEAD, and more now on our world lead. Though we still don't have any concrete proof Flight 370 even crashed into the Indian Ocean, investigators say that, if it did crash, we cannot rule out the possibility it was a deliberate act. They are not only interviewing the pilot and co-pilot's family members and friends, but closely scrutinizing their actions in the days leading up to the flight. CNN justice correspondent Pamela Brown joins us now with more. Are they finding anything worrisome as they do this?
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Justice Correspondent:] So far, no, but we're still early on in the investigation, Jim. Sources I have been speaking with say that investigators haven't found anything that would support or rule out the idea that either pilot planned to take down that plane. Now their family members are breaking their silence for the first time.
[Brown:] With few clues to work off of, sources say examining the two men in the cockpit is still a top priority. But those who knew them best are speaking out in their defense. In an interview with CNN's Jim Clancy, the former CEO of Malaysia Airlines said that he knew veteran Captain Zaharie Shah well.
[Abdul Aziz Abdul Rahman, Former Ceo, Malaysia Airlines:] He's an excellent pilot and I think also an excellent gentleman. I think they are going the wrong way pointing a finger at him.
[Brown:] And the current CEO of Malaysia Airlines also defended him and his co-pilot, Fariq Hamid, following the plane's disappearance.
[Rahman:] Based on their records, they had been quite exemplary.
[Brown:] Shah's youngest son, 26-year-old Ahmed Seth, defended his father in an interview with "The New Straits Times" Tuesday night, saying he understands his father better than those criticizing him. "I have read everything online. But I have ignored all the speculation. I know my father better," he said. Sources tell CNN that despite speculation of deliberate action to divert the plane, investigators haven't yet found any evidence to suggest a premeditated act by either pilot. A U.S. official tells CNN that a preliminary review of the captain's simulator and both pilots' computers have not yielded a so-called smoking gun so far. The captain, seen here in a new tribute video posted online, did not leave a suicide note, a source in Malaysia tells CNN. And no evidence was found in his home to suggest financial or marital problems. Captain Shah, seen here going through airport security, was a respected pilot who had been with Malaysia Airlines since 1981, flying more than 18,000 hours. The 53-year-old was married with three grown children. CNN is not showing the faces of his entire family. Captain Shah's daughter was reportedly a student studying in Melbourne, Australia. The family home was here in a gated community. But a source close to the family says his wife routinely stayed somewhere else when he was flying. Shah was a public supporter of Malaysian opposition party leader Anwar Ibrahim and attended pro- democracy rallies. In his free time, he posted videos like this one online showing him in front of his home flight simulator, talking not about his job but about his interests in home improvement projects. Less is known about Shah's co-pilot, Fariq Hamid. He was engaged to his flight school sweetheart. After recently finishing his training on a 777, he was on his first flight in the cockpit unsupervised on the jumbo jet. And the FBI is expected to hand over analysis of the hard drive soon, evidence that's pulled from it could provide clues or leads for Malaysian officials to follow up on and that could end up being important in this investigation. But as of now, again, we are reiterating, no smoking gun has been found. And as one official I spoke with put it, these pilots are victims until proven otherwise Jim.
[Jim Sciutto, Cnn Anchor:] Do we have unrealistic expectations about how quickly they would come to some working theory here? I mean, this is a slow this could be a long plotting, slow investigation, couldn't it?
[Brown:] Right. And from an investigative standpoint, you know, the people I've spoken to who have done this type of investigation say this is still very early on. You know, three weeks in we're all looking for answers, but if you think about the first week, they are trying to kind of wrap their heads around what might have happened, there was a lot of focus on mechanical failure. So, they really only had a couple of weeks to really sort of dig in to the background of the passengers and the crew members. And, of course, this investigation keeps going back to the pilots because there's nothing else to explain the plane's disappearance.
[Sciutto:] Right. We may have to sort of dig down and wait a long time. Be prepared for that. Thanks very much, Pamela Brown, justice correspondent. So, where does this investigation into pilot's background go from this point? Joining me now is former FBI and CIA counterterrorism official Phil Mudd. Phil, I wonder if you could comment on that. You know, we've been we want answers certainly and more importantly, regulators and officials want answers, and the families want answers. But realistically, should we be bearing down and expect this to take weeks, months before you have any hard answers?
[Phil Mudd, Former Fbi And Cia Counterterrorism Official:] I think we should. You think about the avenues of investigations that the investigators have to pursue, that's ground crew, crew on the plane, the guys in the cockpit, that's the passengers on the plane. And then expand that out. Associate's family who might have had conversations with them weeks ago. I have respect for the family who's defending the pilot, but I don't think the investigators are either accusing or letting him off the hook. This is just the way the investigation is going to unroll in a situation as complicated as this.
[Sciutto:] Do you think we should prepare ourselves for the possibility, that in light of all of the mysteries around it, in light of the fact that the biggest piece of evidence, right, is sitting in the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean in very difficult conditions, should we prepare ourselves for the possibility that you never get a hard answer to what happened here and why?
[Mudd:] I think there's a possibility of that. Look, if we have a crime, we don't have the criminals or the crime scene. I was listening to the earlier conversation about the expansive Indian Ocean they're looking at. I used to look at that kind of imagery as a CIA expert. This is going for a needle in a haystack. So, three weeks in, I agree it's early, but we don't have a shred from e-mail, instant messages, friends, family, anything in terms of things like what this fellow searched for on Google. We don't have anything in the ocean that suggests to me we found a plane. So, if we're thinking we're going to get quick answers, I think we're going to be disappointed.
[Sciutto:] Let's talk about that, you bring up motive, because they've been looking at the hard drives, they've been talking to family and friends. And to our knowledge, at least at this point, they haven't turned up anything hard on motive and yet, Malaysian officials have said a number of times that they are leading towards the idea that this was a deliberate act. In your experience, and you've covered a lot of investigations like this, involved in them and led them, how unusual would it be to have a deliberate act without a clear motive or indication of a motive?
[Mudd:] I think that would be a bit surprising, especially in the 21st century. Think of yourself, think of myself, think not only of the conversations we have with friends and family and associates, think of the monstrous digital trail you leave. Did he never look at anything on the Internet if there was a conspiracy that was related to the conspiracy, did he never send an e-mail, did he never send a text message? To me, this is hard to believe in the 21st century. One other quick point, as a career analyst, I've seen analysts make one consistent problem over time and that is confusing the difference between what we know and what we think. I'm not persuaded yet myself that we know this was not a catastrophe that had to do with the mechanics on the plane, that had to do with something that happened with the electrical system. We're running to the pilots because we don't have any other answers.
[Sciutto:] Let's talk about resources for a second, because as you described this protracted process without answers, even the possibility of no answers, how long does the FBI and NTSB, other U.S. organizations involved in this investigation, how long do they invest those resources, that money, that manpower, before they give up or at least take a back seat and pull back until something new is discovered?
[Mudd:] There will, unless this is a resolved, there will always be an investigator 10 years, 20 years, 30 years down the road looking at this problem. You remember, we looked at the FBI case that many Americans have forgotten, Whitey Bulger for years, he was a Boston organized crime fellow who was only found in California years after we lost him. You remember Eric Rudolph, who was the abortion clinic killer stuck in the mountains in North Carolina, looked for him for years. So, you've got to remember one thing, there's Americans dead here. This is potentially a crime scene. The guys I witness at the bureau, the investigators, the agents, the analysts, they will not let this bone go until there's an answer.
[Sciutto:] Well, that's a relief

[Unidentified Male:] I felt it's a movie that we should see. That nobody should be allowed to stop us from freedom of expression and freedom of speech.
[Banfield:] Moviegoers, boy, are they embracing the first amendment. As the controversial comedy "The Interview" hit hundreds of theaters on Christmas Day, despite FBI warnings of threats against theaters, screening New York to L.A., all of them went off without a hitch, more or less. It also wasn't a bad day for the bottom line, either. The Seth Rogen film about a fictitious plot to assassinate the leader of North Korea banked almost a million dollars at the box office. And joining me right now to talk about that and how it actually happened, Rosa Flores at the theater yesterday, watching the theatergoers coming in and out, along with senior media correspondent Brian Stelter. So some breaking news just coming in to us?
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] Sony is talking about the box office totals for the first time, so we can show you part of their statement. That say, "The audience reaction was fantastic yesterday. The limited release, in under 10 percent of the amount of theaters originally planned, featured numerous sellouts and a first-day gross over $1 million." So that's a nice mark for Sony to hit, the $1-million mark on their first day. That's something for them to celebrate after what has been a very rough month for them, ever since that cyber attack.
[Banfield:] Was that something they were always planning to release or were they waiting to see if it was good news and then release it if it's good, keep it under wraps if it's
[Stelter:] The statement, do you mean? What do you mean?
[Banfield:] The money, the statement
[Stelter:] I think they're trying to put the most positive spin they can on this. They were going to premiere this film in 2000 to 3,000 theaters. That's why they say it was under 10 percent of the original plan. So they're happy to have made any money at all off of this. For being in only 300 theaters, a million dollars is pretty good.
[Banfield:] There was one theater that was critical to this whole story, and it was the one you were at. I only say that because you were there and I got a chance to talk to you when it actually opened. I really actually loved seeing the comments of the people going in and then coming out. And they were very profound, a lot of people saying this was their exercise of free speech, whether they wanted to actually see this particular script or not.
[Rosa Flores, Cnn Correspondent:] Right, right, right. And a lot of people said this is probably the best thing that happened to Sony with this particular movie, because a lot of people were not planning on watching this movie if it were not for the fact that they wanted to exercise their patriotic duty and support free speech. As a matter of fact, the woman that specifically told us that, here's what she said when she walked out of the theater. Take a listen.
[Willie Jasso, Moviegoer:] I certainly enjoyed it. It's not the greatest comedy ever made, but it was funny, funnier in some places than in others. I think my overwhelming conclusion is that it would have been much funnier if no one had died.
[Banfield:] That's great. She loved it.
[Flores:] Although she did say it made her feel uncomfortable, laughing throughout the movie, knowing that someone was going to die at the end. She's like, there's nothing funny about someone dying.
[Banfield:] Well, there is that controversy. We keep bringing that up. We all talk about how no one should try to suppress free speech, we should be a little bit responsible with our free speech as well.
[Stelter:] I had the head of one of the biggest media company say that to me this week. He said, "I understand the film. I understand it's supposed to be funny. I understand it might be funnier to make it about a real life person. But if it had come across my desk I would have suggested making it a fictional dictator."
[Flores:] And I think they didn't have to kill him at the end for it to be a good comedy. That's the other thing. After watching it, it's like why did you have to kill him?
[Banfield:] For all three of us, the Twitters are going to be lighting up with, "Come on! How could you three people have any sympathy for a guy like Kim Jong-un?" And it's not about that. It's about having respect and the same respect due back to your president, your leader, and anybody else around the world, because we would be incensed if someone blew up our president, our real, sitting president, not a fictitious character.
[Stelter:] If there were a movie involving Obama or Putin or any other world leader, it would have been a different story than it would have been about Kim Kong-un. But we should point out it was incident-free yesterday. There were no security issues at theaters across the country.
[Banfield:] Well, kind of. I heard there was a power outage at one theater.
[Stelter:] There was. That's right. In northern New Jersey there was a power outage that affected the movie theater at a pivotal moment for the film. It made people a little nervous for a few minutes. Some people started heading for the exits. It turned out it was just a neighborhood blackout.
[Banfield:] I'd have been more than a little nervous, knowing that there was a terror threat.
[Flores Banfield:] I would have bolted out of that theater.
[Banfield:] So something I expected, but I didn't expect it on this kind of number, 750,000 illegal downloads of this movie yesterday. That's huge.
[Stelter:] That's just the ones we can count, the English-language versions. In China this film is also being pirated and getting review there as well, on their on the illegal file-sharing websites there is. That may cut into the profits Sony makes on YouTube and elsewhere, because now that they're releasing this online, it's a real test to see, are people going to pay for it, or are they going to watch the stealed pirated version
[Flores:] And the other thing is that if you were able to use it through SeeTheInterview.com, I think you were able to even just give the link to somebody else via e-mail, so those you can't count either because you get access to it for 48 hours and if I just say, hey
[Stelter:] You share it.
[Flores:] You just share the link, how do you count that?
[Banfield:] It's like TV ratings. How many people are sitting in that living room? Because there's one person paying the six bucks, and how many eyeballs are on that screen?
[Stelter:] That's right. We'll never really know how many people actually chose to watch it, and partly because Sony doesn't have to release data about these rentals unless they're so strong they want to brag about it. But you know, it is a landmark movement for movie industry regardless of how people actually chose to pay for the movie, because it does show that there can be a simultaneous release in theaters and at home. And that's something we will see more of in the future even though big movie chains don't want it to happen.
[Banfield:] Lest anybody watching us right now, thanks. Boy, you guys really missed the bigger headline. It's the hack of PlayStation and Xbox. We did not, because actually, if you could stick around, I know you have some excellent reporting on this and some specifics about it, as well. Lizard, really? The lizard hackers?
[Stelter:] I'll try to explain it.
[Banfield:] Okay. So that's coming in just a moment. And also ahead, this year in medicine, we're going to tell you why the future is looking a lot brighter and your future may be looking longer, specifically if you or anyone you know has been afflicted with cancer.

[Banfield:] With so much focus on Ebola, it's important to note that there is another dangerous virus that's posing a very real threat to children and it may be getting lost in some of the news mix. It's called Enterovirus and it continues to be a concern for parents across the country as this respiratory disease has now claimed the life of this beautiful little four-year-old boy from New Jersey. And what might be most frightening about this is that this little boy went to bed with absolutely no warning signs. He was effectively just fine, but he never woke up. And the cause of death was listed as Enterovirus. The death of little Eli is the first confirmed fatality directly caused by the mysterious illness. There's no other suggestion that something else was afoot. The officials say that Eli didn't suffer from any symptoms, anything, before he actually passed away. The CDC says there have been 538 cases in 43 states and four other deaths indirectly connected to this illness. The virus may also cause paralysis in rare cases. The mother, Erin Olivera says three-year-old her three-year-old son was left with a paralyzed leg after a bout with Enterovirus.
[Erin Olivera, Son Has Paralyzed Leg From Enterovirus:] There is nothing worse than watching your child who is crawling one moment and then, within a matter of 24 hours, not able to even lift their head off the bed.
[Banfield:] Joining me to talk about this virus is Dr. Alexandra Garza, joining me again, the associate dean for the College of Public Health and Emergency Medicine at St. Louis University. And I'm also joined live here by Dr. Amar Safdar, who's a professor of infectious diseases at NYU's Langone Medical Center. And if I can start with you, Dr. Safdar. First and foremost, this is in New Jersey. It's close to New York. The first thing I thought of was, how on earth could Enterovirus operate so fast. This little boy effectively died in his sleep.
[Amar Safdar, Professor Of Infectious Diseases, Nyu:] Yes. So the important thing to realize about Enterovirus is that they are fairly common. We see them active during summer and fall.
[Banfield:] But different strains.
[Safdar:] By the end of fall
[Banfield:] I mean there are hundreds of strains of Enterovirus, right?
[Safdar:] There are different kind of Enteroviruses and they keep on switching depending which year you look at. This this
[Banfield:] But this one, 68, is the one that's causing so much
[Safdar:] Absolutely.
[Banfield:] And how common is 68? Because that's the one that's raising the fear.
[Safdar:] So you're absolutely right. So this has been around for a while. The first identification was in 1962 in a child in California. Since then, 1989 to 1993, there have been about 10 plus cases. So I think about 12 or 15. So less than 15 cases. So it hasn't been very active. So it hasn't really come up because we haven't seen so much of it. This year is unusual because we are seeing, as you said, 500 plus cases and almost across the nation, 43 states. So that includes even a state that has got a one child, that state is included in reporting that particular case. And other states have reported more cases. As you know, in Missouri and Illinois, that is where they saw initially and reported the big brunt of the disease so to speak.
[Banfield:] Well, Dr. Garza, if I could bring you in on this as well. I think the biggest concern is that there was just no hope for this child. He went to bed fine. The parents couldn't even call a doctor to say, he seems to be sick. This has got to be a one-off. Is this I mean I hope you're going to tell me, this is a one-off, this is not typical, and that people shouldn't fear what this virus can do.
[Alexandra Garza, Assoc. Dean Of Public Health, St. Louis Univ:] Well, you're right, Ashleigh. this was an atypical presentation. So mostly this virus acts like a common cold. Kids will get fevers. They'll get muscle aches. They'll have a cough, a runny nose. But it most it hits kids that have respiratory ailments, like asthma, much more severely than it does normal children. And so this was definitely a very unusual presentation of the virus.
[Banfield:] Dr. Safdar, is there something that, look, as a parent, I want to know what I've got to look out for.
[Safdar:] Sure.
[Banfield:] I want to know what I have to do. If my son comes home from school, which effectively is a petri dish, let's be honest, children are no good with germs and protecting themselves.
[Safdar:] Right.
[Banfield:] If he's sniffling and if he has a fever, am I to rush off and get him a test for Enterovirus? Is that the best weapon against this?
[Safdar:] Yes. So the kids that have developed really severe disease due to this particular D-68 strain of Enterovirus are the ones who have asthma, broncho reactive states where they have
[Banfield:] They already have
[Safdar:] They already have an underlying broncho reactive wheezing to different temperatures and so and so forth. So I think a healthy child usually, as Dr. Garza mentioned, the infection really remains as an upper respiratory tract cold-like infection, because a virus really behaves like a rhino virus.
[Banfield:] We'll have to we'll have to keep an eye on this. I'm flat out of time. But thank you so much for coming in. I do appreciate it, Dr. Safdar.
[Safdar:] Thank you. A pleasure.
[Banfield:] And also Dr. Garza, thank you both. We really appreciate it. Our coverage continues on these breaking stories that we've been bringing to you. I'm going to pass over the baton to my colleague, Wolf Blitzer. He begins right after this quick break. Thanks for watching.

[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] be described as a war zone after more than 12 hours of rioting. New fires this morning, more stores looted and overnight, police officers under attack from rioters. The governor is declaring a state of emergency. The firefighters union president spoke to CNN's Don Lemon. He was outraged.
[Unidentified Male:] Stay the hell home. We have sworn to protect you people. Now get the hell of our way and let us do our job.
[Romans:] A tense night, a tense night in Baltimore. Baltimore schools are closed today in the interest of student safety. There is a 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew that begins tonight. Now CNN's Chris Cuomo is on the streets of Baltimore for us this morning with the very latest. Good morning, Chris.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor, "new Day":] Christine, how are you? It was a very long and scary night here. That fire chief was expressing the frustration that we heard from many first responders, who were exposed to violence all night long while trying to save property and lives. I mean, that is the simple truth what that fire chief was saying to Miguel Marquez. The couple of big questions here are why on the day that Freddie Gray was put to rest did parts of this community decide to be at their worst on the day that promised for peace and mourning. Why was there no plan in place from local leaders to deal with this contingency when you know it would be emotionally charged? Yes, that is part hindsight being 2020. But we've been in other situations like this, Christine, and there have been more assets and more in position than what we saw all day and night there. And just questions of strategy throughout the day about how to deal with it. We saw some things late last night and into the early morning hours that are unusual. Last night, Jay McMichael, our photographer and I saw a car what we thought was a suicide run right a line of police officers only to stop within feet of them and make a U-turn. I'll tell you it was an amazing show of restraint by those police. We both thought that they were going to open fire with everything they had as the car was basically speeding projectile toward them. This morning, fires are still burning. But important to say, Christine, Baltimore is not on fire. There are sections of the city where the communities have turned on themselves essentially burning down their own stores and catching fire to their own homes and lighting up their own cars. That is the situation this morning. The question is what happens today and can authorities control the new curfew from 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m.?
[Romans:] And can parents get a hold of their kids? I know a piece of video that a lot of people are talking about this morning, Chris, of a woman dressed in yellow chasing after a hooded young man saying I know it's you. I know it's you. I know there are church officials and city officials and families saying these kids need to be off the streets. These kids are saying no. The system is broken. The system is broken. We want to show it. We are showing that video of the woman furious of this young man.
[Cuomo:] Right. We think that maybe that was her kid. People are saying you are part of the problem. To be fair, there are a lot of angry people here. I don't know that is what yesterday was about. There seem to be opportunists. They were looting stores and they will lose jobs. Who knows if the CVS will open again tonight? A lot of the responsibility has to be put on the community but also on leadership. Don Lemon spoke with the governor and mayor last night. They wound up walking away from the interview because they were upset with his line of questioning. Where there is no question that Don can be intense when he is on accountability trail, but for them to walk away in a situation where they clearly dropped the ball was a little unusual to see. I think you have a clip of what happened with him when he was talking to the mayor.
[Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-blake , Baltimore:] We used best practices the way the officers are trained to focus on those doing the damage and also working to not escalate. We have seen all over the country and throughout our history what happens when you use too much force to respond to it. It escalates and it can be a lot worse. I didn't not want that for my city, we are working hard to contain this and to do it in a way that doesn't turn Baltimore into a military state.
[Cuomo:] Look, you will hear this in every city where this happens. It is a balancing act, how much force versus how much restraint. They got it wrong yesterday, Christine, because they had hours here of unchecked looting and rioting in the communities where they needed it least. It took them too long to get any semblance of control. Talking to first responders all night, most of them shared that opinion. That they were not on standby or they were on standby, but did not know where to go. Hopefully, they do better tonight because the community needs the stability.
[Romans:] It needs stability and you were on the streets of Ferguson night after night after night. How do they, Chris, what do they do differently to make sure that an earlier or a bigger police presence doesn't just in flame the tensions there. You know, what are they going to do differently tonight so it doesn't happen again?
[Cuomo:] You know, I don't think it is that much of a mystery. I think you do need to show the resolve of a wall of resistance by officers. It is how they interface with what they encounter. In Ferguson, you know, that in close proximity of people pushing into the line and trying to harass and intimidate. How do you deal in those moments? We saw incredible restraint last night by the officers here and I really mean that, I mean, that car, the image of that car speeding down the street will stay with us for a while because of what didn't happen, those officers not opening fire and not ramming into that car. So I think, of course, it is a balance. Policing is tricky. This is a tricky situation, Christine, there is no question, but that is why it begs leadership.
[Romans:] It begs leadership and you mentioned the CVS, who knows if the CVS will open tonight. You know, the CVS, it managed to get its employees and its customers out of that store before anything happened. You know, CVS is a big national chain with deep pockets, Chris. No question people are not getting paid or out of work or you know, who are not going to have their hours, but I worry about the small businesses. I worry about the hair salon. I worry about the grocery store.
[Cuomo:] Yes, I lost the last part there. I think you were talking about the CVS and the responsibility. When this happens to your store, which is supposedly kind of brand new. What a nice addition to the job base. You know, I don't think you can put it the company about how quickly they rebuild. I mean, they have their own assessments of risks that they have to do and there is no excuse for destroying your own community. The frustration is palpable. I'm not saying it's without basis. We still don't know what happened to Freddie Gray, but what we saw last night. It's just hard to understand how it motivates the right kind of change in this community. We'll see what it yields today.
[Romans:] My point too about the small businesses, CVS is a big national chain. You are talking about small mom and pop hair salons or grocery stores. I really worry about those folks who are living paycheck to paycheck and they own a business too. Chris, thanks so much. We will talk to you again very, very soon. Officials say that the Monday's riots actually began with a message that spread on social media about a purge. That is a reference to a 2013 thriller in which crime is temporarily legalized. Now Baltimore police responded by sending hundreds of officers to a local mall and a transit hub heavily used by high school students. Police Commissioner Anthony Batts says the students then started throwing bricks and stones at his officers.
[Anthony Batts, Baltimore Police Commissioner:] We had information yesterday that at Mondawmin Mall, we will have a large purge of high school students from across the city move to Mondawmin Mall. We had close to about 250 to 300 police officers staged in or around Mondawmin Mall at the time the youth got out of school. Stones been thrown at them. Officers proceeded northbound to push the youth in the north way direction. The officers got caught on an incline to which a number of officers got injured, one officer knocked out and hit in the head and taken to the hospital.
[Romans:] Freddie Gray's family called for calm on the day of his funeral. Quick to speak out against the violence, family members say Freddie Gray would never have wanted this.
[Richard Shipley, Freddie Gray's Stepfather:] Earlier today, we had a beautiful service and to see that it turned into all this violence and destruction, I am appalled. Family, I love you. We are supposed to be in this for justice, but is it just us?
[Fredericka Gray, Freddie Gray's Sister:] I think violence is wrong. Freddie Gray was not a person of violence. He is not the type of person to break into the stores. I don't like it.
[Romans:] All right, CVS managed to get its employees and its customers out of the Baltimore store just in time. When protests started to turn violent on Monday, CVS closed the nearby store at 3:00 p.m., shortly after that, the store torn apart by looters. Luckily no employees or customers inside when the looters broke in, but things got worse. Look at this, just a few hours later, the CVS set on fire. Protesters cut a fire hose the firefighters were using to try to put out that fire. The frustration we were showing you with the fire official's voice. That is one of the reasons why. Just 40 miles away in Washington, Attorney General Loretta Lynch is facing the crisis in Baltimore just hours after her swearing in Monday. After an evening meeting with President Obama, Lynch issued a statement saying, quote, "I condemn the senseless acts of violence by some individuals in Baltimore that it resulted in harm to law enforcement officers, destruction of property and a shattering of the peace in the city of Baltimore. I will bring the full resources of the department to bear in protecting those under threat, investigating wrong doing and securing an end to the violence." All right, turning now to the earthquake in Nepal, the death toll from the huge 7.8 quake now stands at more than 4,400 people, most of them in Nepal. Officials say at least 8,000 people were hurt. Rescue and aid workers are struggling with the scale of the disaster confronting to supply shortages, power blackouts, widespread devastation and that's just in the capital of Kathmandu. In the country side, the death and damage has yet to be fully tallied. CNN's Arwa Damon has more from Nepal's Kaura District.
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] Christine, let's show you where we are right now. We are huddled under a makeshift shelter along with poor families. I don't know if you can hear the thunder. There is a storm. Rains have been going on for the last hour or so. The families are huddled here because their homes have been destroyed in the earthquake. You can see the terrain around here, pretty harsh and unforgiving. People here relatively speaking could be considered lucky because at least there are roads leading to this particular area. But that is not to say that this entire experience has not been absolutely terrifying or that they don't want or need more government support. We have been speaking to people throughout this area over the last few hours. They have been telling us of how terrifying this ordeal has been. Many of them were wounded. Many homes were destroyed. Here we have 19-year-old Osminda who we have been talking to. Describe to us the moment when the earthquake struck. How scared were you? What happened? When the earthquake happened, how frightening was that for you?
[Unidentified Female:] It was not fun. Our house has been gone now. We don't know what to eat. No government has given us support. We are all inside here in the tent. We cannot sit inside our house. We're scared. We are not safe.
[Damon:] Like a lot of other people we have been talking to as you hear her speaking there, people are afraid of the aftershocks. There was a moment of perhaps hope when a fair amount of time, there were not a lot of aftershocks. But then there was another pretty strong one that took place overnight that in Kathmandu. This re-instilled the fear in so many people that perhaps there could be more aftershocks and more damage and more death yet to come.
[Romans:] All right, Arwa Damon for us. She is in Nepal where there is that big developing story. We are also following big breaking news in Baltimore all morning long. But first, the Boston bombers, how the attorneys for the Boston marathon bomber, trying to keep him off death row.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] @THISHOUR, pressure is building on negotiators as the clock ticks toward an end to the fragile cease-fire in the Middle East. Will words or weapons win out? Then @THISHOUR, the president is preparing to sign into law an emergency funding bill for the scandal-plagued Department of Veterans Affairs. We're going to tell you what is in store for America's vets? And as the Ebola outbreak gets worse in West Africa, the CDC goes on high alert to help fight the spread of that deadly virus. Good morning. We'll have all those stories and much more @THISHOUR. I'm Michaela Pereira. Thanks for joining me. John Berman is on assignment. We are now 58 hours into the cease-fire in the Middle East, but the top of the hour glass is running out of sand, 14 more hours, just 14 more hours, until the truce window expires unless negotiators in Cairo can extend it or come up with a more lasting peace. Israeli government officials tell CNN they're willing to extend the current truce without conditions while the Palestinian side says there is progress but no breakthrough. We want to bring you the very latest @THISHOUR from Saima Mohsin in Jerusalem. We have Reza Sayah in Cairo, and I think, Reza, we should start with you. We talk about this clock ticking. We talk about the intensity. Do you think there is a sense more of a sense of urgency now? Is there any confidence that they're going to come to any sort of break-through?
[Reza Sayah, Cnn International Correspondent:] Yes, I don't think there's any question about it, Michaela, with the clock ticking you really get the sense the drama is building and the pressure is building for these two sides, the Palestinians and Israelis, and Egypt as the broker to make something happen. According to the Palestinian delegation, they've been in and out of closed-door meetings for the past several hours. It's been very tough to monitor and gauge these talks because they're indirect negotiations being held in secret, but based on the information we have, here's where things stand. According to the Palestinian official, the Palestinian negotiating team is waiting to hear back from the Israelis through the Egyptians. Now that suggests that the Palestinians have put forth some kind of proposal, they've put forth their demand, and they're waiting to hear back from the Israelis, this Palestinian official telling CNN that depending on what they hear back they could have an announcement by 10:00 p.m. tonight, Michaela. That's roughly four hours.
[Pereira:] You're breaking some news there. By 10:00 p.m. tonight, local time, there could be an announcement. Again, talk to us about the sticking points. We know that we that on the Israeli side, they're talking about getting out of the taking the terrorists out of Gaza. They want that to be a main issue. And we know on the Palestinian side, they're saying they want that border open, and they want to have Israel out of Gaza. Give us an understanding of more what's going on?
[Sayah:] Yes. @THISHOUR, all indications are that the sticking point is what to do with the framework, the time frame of this cease cease- fire. All indications are the Israelis want to extend it beyond 8:00 a.m. Friday morning. They want to keep talking, but not all the Palestinians, notably, Hamas, who was leading the fight in Gaza, they're not on board. They're essentially saying they agreed to come to Cairo, to have these talks, to talk about the bigger issues, the so-called core demands and they say they're not going to extend it without some sort of concession. So the question is, will the cease-fire be extended unconditionally, what the Israelis want, or will the Israelis make a condition, give in to at least one or more of Hamas's demands, which is what the Palestinians are looking for.
[Pereira:] And that's a real concern right there too, is within the Palestinian delegation, there are factions within that delegation. If they can come to a consensus on their own even is a concern. Reza, stay with us. I want to bring in Saima now from Jerusalem. Let's talk about what the sense is of things on the region where you are. Obviously there's a lot of tension on both sides. We keep talking about we're wondering on your end what you're hearing about hope for a breakthrough?
[Saima Mohsin, Cnn Correspondent:] Michaela, it was late last night when an Israeli official told me Israel is willing to extend this cease- fire if it is unconditional, but, of course, we all know that both sides do come to the table with preconditions. Dore Gold, the prime minister's adviser on foreign policy, told CNN earlier today that redevelopment and reconstruction of Gaza seriously depends on the demilitarization of the Gaza Strip, so there is a huge condition there in itself. Of course, for Hamas' part, they want to see and other parties that represent Gaza as well they want to see the end of the economic blockade of Gaza. Let's remember that beyond operation protective edge there is an economic blockade of Gaza. This has been going on for a while now, and that's what they want to see the end to. And of course, the Israelis say they want to see an end to the the demilitarization of the militant groups, but let's not forget it's not all militant groups that live in Gaza. There are civilians there still picking up the pieces of their lives. Michaela?
[Pereira:] Yeah. It's a very important point, and I appreciate you bringing that up, Saima, the human factor in all of this. A big thank you to Reza Sayah and Saima. We appreciate you both joining us @THISHOUR. We want to turn to our military analyst, retired Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona. He's here with me in the studio. I watched you out of the corner of my eye when our correspondents are giving us a sense of what they're seeing on the ground and you're acting reacting almost viscerally.
[Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, Cnn Military Analyst:] I don't get it. This is a real opportunity for them to make some headway in the negotiations, and Hamas wants to fight just as they've been handed quite a brutal beating at the hands of the IDF. They've lost their tunnels, their big strategic weapon. Their rockets have been proven ineffective. They've got a few rockets left, but do they really want to get in another fight with the Israelis? They need to stay at the table and talk about these things, but if their conditions are to have all of these the blockade lifted and all that before they agree to a cease-fire I think that's a nonstarter.
[Pereira:] So talk about the fact that you have a Palestinian delegation there. It's not just made up of Hamas. There are other players at the table from the Palestinian side. Is there talking to Hamas in your sense from that delegation?
[Francona:] I would love to hear the conversations that are going on in that Palestinian delegation, because Hamas is the odd man out here, because they're the only ones that want to continue the fight. Everybody else wants to come to some sort of agreement, and hopefully they can get to the end state at some point. Hamas is asking for the end state now. It's just not going to happen. And the Israelis don't want to get into another fight, but they will.
[Pereira:] They will. They will, and they can. Hamas is running out of fire power and is kind of backed in a corner. Now here's the interesting thing, and many people keep bringing this up. Look, the people of Palestine voted Hamas in, but things have changed. Is there a changing of the tide of the support they're enjoying within Palestine?
[Francona:] That election was a long time ago.
[Pereira:] It was a long time ago.
[Francona:] And the situation has changed dramatically. And what Hamas done for the people? They've brought how many wars, how much death and destruction into Gaza? And the people don't see what happens in Israel. They see what happens in Gaza. They see what happens around them. They see their kids not in school. They see their houses destroyed.
[Pereira:] You only know your own reality, right?
[Francona:] Do they want more of this? That's what Hamas is promising them. This is just a no-win for the Palestinians as long as they let Hamas dictate these terms.
[Pereira:] In terms of Egypt, they're brokering the deal, and they've got a bit skin in the game, that they share a border with Gaza. They want to make sure their security is tight along that border. Talk to me about the intricacies of that.
[Francona:] Yeah, the Egyptians are playing a key role here, but the Egyptian position has changed. Now, under the new government of General Field Marshal Assisi, President Assisi, he is no longer a friend of the Hamas government. He never was. The previous government was. So Hamas has to factor into their calculations that their resupply, their rearmament, that always happens after these wars comes in over the Sinai border, and that's not going to happen this time. The Egyptians have closed down the tunnels. They've beefed up their military presence. So I just don't understand how Hamas thinks they're going to be able to continue fighting the Israelis. They've got no support among the Palestinians, very little support among the people now that they've brought all this to them, and the Egyptians not on their side.
[Pereira:] And are you hopeful they can at least delay or extend, if you will, the cease-fire?
[Francona:] I think that the Palestinian delegation is going to put so much pressure on Hamas they're going to have to.
[Pereira:] Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona, with me here in studio, appreciate it. We're going to take a short break. Ahead, we turn our eyes on Hawaii. The people there of Hawaii bracing for not one, but two back-to-back hurricanes. They haven't been hit in the past 20 years. Many folks are scrambling to prepare. We'll take a look at how that state is preparing. Also ahead, the president is ready to sign a V.A. reform bill that promises to help veteran get the timely medical care they need and deserve. We're going to bring that to you live when it happens.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] Right now, House Republicans are celebrating passage of a bill that defunds Obamacare, but it doesn't really stand much of a chance in the U.S. Senate. It could set the stage for government shutdown. Also, right now, President Obama visiting an auto parts plant in Missouri, speaks later this hour. He's expected to warn Republicans once again about the budget battle and the debt ceiling. We'll have live coverage for you this hour. Also, right now, Chicago Police are searching for suspects in a shooting at a park. Thirteen people were wounded, including a three- year-old boy. Authorities say the weapon was an assault-style rifle with a high capacity magazine. We want to welcome our viewers. I'm Wolf Blitzer in Washington. The first domino has fallen in the fight over the possible shutdown of the federal government. Here is the calendar. We're only 10 days from the deadline. It's the end of the fiscal year and could be the last day of work. And last paycheck for millions of federal employees including some members of the military. A short time ago, the House approved a spending bill to kick the can down the road a few months. It would fully fund the government until mid-December but would eliminate funding for the Affordable Care Act known as Obama care. With as passage of the partisan bill, House Republicans took a victory lap while sending a direct message to the Senate.
[Rep. Cathy Mcmorris Rodgers , Washington:] Today, we urge the Senate to take action. We urge our colleagues in the Senate, our allies on the outside and the American people to push the Senate to have this important debate on the floor of the Senate because if we are going to take action on behalf of the American people, we need the Senate to have this debate on the floor of the Senate.
[Rep. Kevin Mccarthy , Majority Ship:] why today when we acted it wasn't just a group of Republicans but it was a bipartisan vote. Let me state that again because I want to make sure you write it correctly. It was a bipartisan vote because we're Americans first.
[Rep. Eric Cantor , Majority Leader:] That's why we are doing our job and now it is up to Senate Democrats to show some responsibility and follow the House's lead. Now you know, many Senate Republicans have promised to leave no stone unturned fighting this bill and all of us here support that effort.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] You've got businesses all over the country who are not hiring because of the impact of this law. You've got other businesses that are reducing the hours for their employees because of this law. And so, our message to the United States Senate is real simple. The American people don't want the government shut down and they don't want Obama care. The House has listened to the American people. Now it's time for the United States Senate to listen to them as well.
[Blitzer:] Today's vote is just the beginning of this fight which needs to end by the end of the month or else the government will shut down. Erin McPike is joining us from Capitol Hill right now. Erin, we just heard the majority whip, Kevin McCarthy emphasize, this was in his words, a bipartisan vote. Technically, he may be correct but not really all that bipartisan.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] That's right, Wolf. That's because just two Democrats sided with the Republicans to get those 230 votes. But if you want to call it a bipartisan bill, or a bipartisan vote rather, that's true. There was also one Republican who sided with the Democrats who voted against it. Now, I will tell you just next week it will be moving into the Senate. But what Eric Cantor said today at this rally of House Republicans after the vote was essentially calling out Democrats. They want to get Democrats on the record about the health care bill. They specifically mentioned Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Mark Begich of Alaska, and Mark Pryor of Arkansas and those are Democrats who are essentially in red states. They're up for re- election next year and they want to get those Democrats on the record about health care. This was very much a political statement today Wolf.
[Blitzer:] So, it goes to the Senate now. And assuming the Senate does not pass the same legislation that the House has just passed, and we all assume that will be the case, what's Boehner going to do at the end of next week into the weekend?
[Mcpike:] Well, it's going to go back to the House and Eric Cantor just announced that the House will also likely be in session next weekend. Of course, House Speaker John Boehner also said much the same thing as he was leaving his press conference yesterday. He was asked, are we going to be working next Saturday and next Sunday? And he said, yes, and Sunday and so I assume, Wolf, that means that you and I will now, as far as whether the House will is pass a clean CR, as we've been talking about this continuing resolution with funding restored for Obama care, it seems that the Democrats are likely to pass a sort of clean bill. Nancy Pelosi did say just yesterday that the mood is not favorable for the current level of funding that the bill that was just passed had. But it seems that Democrats will likely pass a version sometime next weekend.
[Blitzer:] We'll see what happens next weekend. That's going to be critical just days before the government runs out of money. All right, thanks very much, Erin McPike. With today's vote, House Republicans clearly have drawn a line in the sand. Let's speak with one of the top leaders inside the Republican caucus in the House. Republican Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers is the chair of the House Republican conference. The number four in the Republican hierarchy. Congresswoman, thanks very much for coming in.
[Rep. Cathy Mcmorris Rodgers , Washington:] Good to be with you.
[Blitzer:] Let's talk about next weekend. Let's say the Senate passes a continuing resolution but does not defund Obama care. What are you going to do? Will you allow the government to shut down or will you accept a stopgap measure that at least allows the government to continue operating after October 1st?
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] House Republicans do not want to shut down the government. But the American people don't want the government shut down. They also don't want Obama care. And the important news today is it that the House has acted. That the House took action to keep the government open and to defund Obama care. And what we need is for the Senate to have this debate. And so, we're not going to presume what the Senate will do. We'll let the Senate over the next few days have that debate.
[Blitzer:] Well, But let's assume though that Harry Reid and the Democrats who have the majority in the Senate reject what the House has just done. What you do then?
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] I don't I don't think that we can presume what the Senate will or will not do. It's most important to note that the House has done its job. And just because the Senate hasn't been doing its job doesn't mean that we shouldn't be doing our job. And you know, we just spent several weeks home in our districts. And members all across this country heard stories from individuals, from families as to how the president's law is making it worse. It's making it harder on them to afford their premiums. People are almost panicked over how they're going to afford their premiums. I've talked with seniors that are seeing it Medicare increases. They want can't find a doctor. I have I represent counties where you might have an insurance card but then the local hospital or doctor don't won't take that insurance card. The health care system, lots of questions. So, it is clear that the American people would like to see this law defunded, delayed. They see it as being unworkable. And the Senate needs to have that debate.
[Blitzer:] You know, he we took a closer look at the polls because you're right when you say the majority of Americans don't like Obama care, but when you take a closer look at the numbers, Congressman, look at this, do you support Obama care? 43 percent say they favor it. But on the opposition, it's 51 percent, according to the CNN poll we did in May, but 35 percent say they oppose it because it's too liberal. That's like you from the Republican side. 16 percent say they oppose it from the left because it's not liberal enough. They might want universal health care. They might want greater socialized medicine some would argue. So, it's not just they oppose it from the from the right. Some people oppose it from the left. They want to go further and they want to do more government involvement in the health care operation as you can see from those poll numbers. Do you want to react to that?
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] Well, I bottom line, people see it as unworkable. And we've even seen the president clearly agreeing that portions of this law are unworkable when he says he's going to delay the employer mandate. We've taken many votes to repeal and defund Obama care. Seven pieces of legislation have actually gotten through the Senate onto the president's desk. A recognition bipartisan that portions of this law are not workable. So, I think that people are seeing that. There's growing concerns. Just yesterday, Home Depot announced 20,000 employees that used to be on their health insurance plan no longer health insurance plan no longer will be. We have other major companies making similar announcements. People that thought that they were going to have health insurance and the president said he said, if you like your health insurance, you can keep it. All these promises, although they sound good, are not being able they he can't follow through on it. And people are growing in their concerns. They see it as unworkable. And I believe when you look at the polls, when you ask the American people, they would like to see this law
[Blitzer:] All right.
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] delayed, defunded. And they applaud the action that we're taking in the House.
[Blitzer:] Yes, those 20,000 people at home depot and others will be eligible under the new system to get health insurance from the from the through the federal government, if you will. But one final question. This is the 41st vote in the House of Representatives to defund Obama care. Forty-one times you've passed this legislation. You have the majority in the House. It has never gone anywhere in the Senate. What are you just hoping and praying it does this time? Is that your hope?
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] There actually, several of those votes, seven of those votes have actually gotten through the Senate and onto the president's desk. The repeal of the Class Act, the repeal of the 1099 provision.
[Blitzer:] But not the repeal of the whole not the repeal of the entire piece of law which was passed by the Congress, signed into law by the president of the United States, and approved as constitutional by the United States Supreme Court.
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] Right. You said that we had voted 41 times though and that includes that 41 includes the seven votes that we're taking to repeal portions of the law. We've taken six votes to repeal the entire law. And then, we've taken other votes that we believe that the Senate will should consider, like the delay of the employer mandate, the delay of the individual mandate that if it's OK for if it if it's not ready for employers, then it's not ready for individuals. Like the vote that we took to say that the IRS could not move forward in hiring the 17,000 employees that they're going to need to implement this law and create the data hub.
[Blitzer:] All right.
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] Those are still under consideration in the Senate.
[Blitzer:] All right, well, you'll we'll see what happens. You're going to have your hands full towards the end of the week when the Senate sends something back to you. I assume they're not going to defund Obama care but let's see. Let's see what happens. Maybe the 42nd time will be the charm from your perspective. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, thanks very much for coming in.
[Mcmorris Rodgers:] Good to be with you.
[Blitzer:] At the bottom of the hour, we're going to get a very different perspective from the Democratic side of the aisle. The DNC chair, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, the Congresswoman from Florida, she'll will join us live. We'll ask her what's going on as well. Also coming up, Gloria Borger, she's going to help us break down the political fight. Right now, as the bill heads to the Senate, we head to a possible government shutdown. It wouldn't be the first time. Twice happened in the 1990s. But there are new members of Congress, some of whom are ignoring some of the lessons learned from the last time it happened. We're taking a closer look.

[Blitzer:] We're following breaking news. The crash of a commercial spacecraft in California's Mohave Desert. We're also watching the final weekend of campaigning ahead of the midterm elections here in the United States. And no matter where you live, you know the power brokers who will decide the winners. Here's CNN's senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar. She's watching this election very closely.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior Political Correspondent:] We are and we're watching a key demographic, and that is women. As you know, Wolf, Democrats normally have a tremendous lead with women. That is the case. But that's not necessarily the case here. In many races you're seeing that lead diminished. Republicans trailing Democrats with women by just single digits in some races and then exceeding Democrats in their performance with men by double digits. That's why for Democrats it is so key to turn out female voters. It could really be the key to holding on to the Senate.
[Keilar:] President Obama making a closing pitch to an all-important voting bloc women.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] When women succeed, America succeeds and we need leaders who understand that.
[Keilar:] In a heated and bitter campaign season, both sides say female voters may be the key to the Senate majority. Democrats hoping to hold on to their traditional edge with women are targeting them with ads.
[Unidentified Female:] A vote for Tom Cotton is a vote against Arkansas women. A vote for Thom Tillis is a vote against families like mine.
[Keilar:] And appealing from the stump.
[Sen. Mark Udall , Colorado:] We're for respecting women's reproductive freedoms.
[Keilar:] But Republicans are pushing back, and polls show they're narrowing Democrats' lead. An unrelenting focus on women's issues earned Colorado's Mark Udall the nickname Mark Uterus.
[Unidentified Female:] I want my daughter to have the same choices I do.
[Keilar:] His Republican challenger, Cory Gardner, has touted moderate positions on issues like equal pay and he has been inching ahead in the polls.
[Joni Ernst , Iowa:] Gaining control of the United States Senate.
[Keilar:] In Iowa, the female candidate Joni Ernst is a Republican, and she's leading with men in a tight battle against Democratic Congressman Bruce Braley.
[Bruce Braley , Iowa:] I believe the pill ought to be available over the counters.
[Keilar:] Republicans are also turning Democrats' attacks against them in ads of their own.
[Terri Lynn Land , Michigan Senate Candidate:] There's a war on women in America, and it's being waged by the Democrats.
[Keilar:] In previous cycles, some Republican candidates hurt the brand with inflammatory comments like this.
[Rep. Todd Akin , Missouri Senate Candidate:] If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
[Keilar:] This year, they've largely avoided those damaging moments.
[Kristen Soltis Anderson, Republican Pollster:] Women are really open to Republican candidates in a way that perhaps they weren't in 2012.
[Keilar:] While Democrats are working to turn out many of the women who pushed Barack Obama to victory in 2012.
[Unidentified Female:] It is about turnout, it is about getting to the polls right now.
[Keilar:] And it's also about the kind of issues that candidates are emphasizing with women, Wolf. It's not just social issues, the hot button social issues, but also combining them in a way with an economic message. For instance, you look at Georgia, Democrat Michelle Nunn has a lead over David Perdue to the tune of about 18 percent in the polls. She's emphasizing workplace fairness and it's really resonating with women there.
[Blitzer:] It's going to be a huge, huge issue. And we're going to see what happens Tuesday. Obviously we'll have extensive coverage throughout the day and well into the evening.
[Keilar:] Sure will.
[Blitzer:] Brianna, thanks very much. Coming up, back to the breaking news. Another catastrophic failure of a spacecraft. This time it's Virgin spaceship that goes down in the Mohave Desert in California. And days after an ISIS massacre, hundreds of Sunni Iraqi tribesman. Is the U.S. now preparing to send military advisors into the heart of the ISIS held territory?

[Tapper:] Welcome back to the LEAD. Continuing in world news. Not to worry, folks. This is not a new cold war, at least not according to President Obama. As he announced new sanctions on Russia was asked the question, new sanctions for the war in Ukraine.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] It didn't have to come to this. It does not have to be this way. This is a choice that Russia and president Putin in particular has made.
[Tapper:] Meanwhile, U.S. officials tell CNN that the Ukrainian government is now firing short range ballistic missiles at pro-Russian rebel targets. Ukraine denies that saying it would accomplish nothing militarily right now. But the fighting has only gotten worse since MH-17 was shot out of the sky over Ukraine. And the violence is creating a virtual force field around the crash site, the crime scene. Today, for a third day in a row, heavy fighting kept crash investigators from the scene. Let's bring in Marie Harf. She is the deputy spokeswoman for the state department. And Marie, thanks for being here. So, there have been rounds of sanctions against Russia began in March. How will this new round that President Obama announced with regret in this voice, how is this going to be any different and change Putin's calculus at all?
[Marie Harf, State Department Spokeswoman:] Well, Jake, we've been very clear over many months that we will continue to increase the pressure on Russia if it does not take steps to de-escalate.
[Tapper:] And they keep escalating, Marie.
[Harf:] Well, the longer sanctions are in place Jake, the tougher and more impact they have. And today, you saw us put additional sanctions on three very key sectors of the Russian economy, arms, finance and energy. And these firms desperately want access to the U.S. financial sector and to the EU financial sector. And look, president Putin has a choice to make. He can either further isolate his country and pay the consequences or he can de-escalate and move it in a different path forward here. So it is as the president said, really up to president Putin make a decision here.
[Tapper:] All right. Well, I think he's made his decision. But on the subject of trying to get him change his behavior, other Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr is reporting that three U.S. officials confirmed to her that the Ukrainian military, the ones where the United States is allied with, has fired short-range missiles in the last 48 hours against the rebels. Now, the Ukrainian foreign minister has denied it saying it would be useful for them to fire them because of the way the rebels hide their weapons. The first question, what's the truth here? And second question, would Ukraine, the government of Ukraine escalating hurt what the United States is trying to do in terms of Putin and the pro-Russian rebels?
[Harf:] Well Jake, I saw those reports earlier on CNN. And I actually can't confirm them. The Ukrainian foreign minister was actually here at the state department today. I saw his comments. So we're looking into them as we have information one way or another, we'll let folks know. But the broader point here which speaks to your second question is that the reason there is so much instability in Eastern Ukraine is because of these Russian separatists. The Russian are giving them heavy weaponry, they are firing artillery into Ukraine and they continue to arm and train these separatists. There was no instability before Russia supported these separatists and their movement there. So the Ukrainian government has a responsibility to defend its territory and to defend its people.
[Tapper:] But Marie, is escalating defending its territory or is escalating making things worse so that the pro-Russian rebels and Putin won't back down?
[Harf:] Well, we haven't seen the Ukrainian military escalate things, Jake. And again, I said we're looking into those reports that you mentioned earlier. All we've seen is the Russian side continue to escalate, send more heavy weaponry, send artillery over the border, continue the training even after this horrific civilian airliner was shout done by Russian separatists. So again, President Putin has a real responsibility here to back up his words with actions. We haven't seen him do that. But he has a chance to as you heard the president a today.
[Tapper:] I'm not coming down on the side of Putin here but doesn't Ukraine have a responsibility as well as to de-escalate things in the east of their country especially if inspectors are trying to get to that crash site?
[Harf:] Well, look. I don't want to equate Ukraine and Russia here in any way. Ukraine is consistently lived up to his obligations. It imposed the cease-fire of 40 kilometers around the crash site which the Russian separatists repeatedly broke. Ukrainians has done everything in its power to get inspectors access here. It's the Russian back the separatists who have done exactly the opposite.
[Tapper:] Marie Harf at the state department. Thank you for coming in and answering my questions.
[Harf:] Thank you, Jake.
[Tapper:] When we come back, punishing Putin. Why some are saying the only way to put the Russian president in his place is by taking away his chance to be in the spotlight again at the 2018 world cup. Plus, heart breaking images, children injured or worse, dead in this fighting in Gaza. Come up, the emotional and physical toll this prolonged battle is taking on the youngest and the most innocent victims.

[Crowley:] Joining me now, Senator John McCain, who will, when he comes back to Washington in January and the new Congress is sworn in, become the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. So, speaking in that soon-to-be role, Senator, I want to talk to you about a couple of things that the president said in this interview. The first, I just want to remind you and our audience what he said about the North Korean attack on Sony in cyberspace.
[Obama:] No, I don't think it was an act of war. I think it was an act of cyber-vandalism that was very costly, very expensive. We take it very seriously. We will respond proportionally.
[Crowley:] Cyber-vandalism, what do you make of that?
[Mccain:] I think, again, the president does not understand that this is a new this is a manifestation of a new form of warfare. When you destroy economies, when you are able to impose censorship on the world, and especially the United States of America, it's more than vandalism. It's a new form of warfare that we're involved in. And we need to react, and react vigorously, including reimposing sanctions that were lifted under the Bush administration, including other actions that will squeeze them more economically. But, most of all, we have to really work together with the president and the Congress to come up with counters and abilities to respond, but, more importantly, to prevent. There have been cyber- attacks from China that have betrayed some of our most important hacking which has betrayed some of our most important military secrets. We have identified a building in Beijing that's run by the People's Liberation Army that are we have lost billions of dollars in industrial capabilities and secrets that have been transferred through this. This is a new form of warfare. We need to work. And we need to harness the best minds in America, including some of those out in Silicon Valley, to help us devise ways of countering this.
[Crowley:] Makes me wonder if the U.S. isn't really late to this table, and why is that?
[Mccain:] You know, part of it is because we haven't been able to work more closely together. Part of it is because where it's very hard to determine where national security ends and personal privacy begins. This is a continuing debate that we have. I have been Candy, I have been to more meetings on cyber than any other issue in my time in the Congress with less accomplished than any other. And it's time we sat down together. And, again, that's one reason why I think we maybe we need some outside experts, the people who are really in the whole issue of the Internet and these capabilities, that, frankly, maybe that expertise is not in the Congress or even in Washington,
[D.c. Crowley:] Is my bank account at risk for hacking from the Chinese or the North Koreans? Is the water system, you know, which we know the infrastructure of the U.S., the electricity, are all those things as at risk as Sony was?
[Mccain:] I believe that they are at risk. Now, whether there's that capability or not is questionable, but, over time, they're bound to have that capability. This is not vandalism. It is a new form of warfare. And we have to counter with that form of warfare with a better form of warfare.
[Crowley:] Secondly, I want to talk to you about Guantanamo Bay prison. You have said previously that you would help the president find a way to close it. I asked him whether he thought he could get Guantanamo Bay, all the prisoners out, and close it by the end of next year.
[Obama:] There's going to be a certain irreducible number that are going to be really hard cases, because, you know, we know they have done something wrong and they are still dangerous, but it's difficult to mount the evidence in a traditional Article III court. So, we're going to have to wrestle with that. But we need to close that facility.
[Crowley:] How can you help this president close Guantanamo Bay?
[Mccain:] Well, first of all, the president continues to violate the law. He did in the Bergdahl case, which required notification of Congress. He just did on Cuba, that he continues to act in the most imperial fashion. And this was the president who ran on an open and transparent presidency. It's very disappointing. He's taken a very different approach to dealing with Congress in light of the defeat in the last election. His predecessors, Republican and Democrat, when suffering defeat in the second part and era of their presidency, have always reached out. The president has gone exactly the opposite direction. I always wanted to close Guantanamo, but I wanted to transfer those prisoners to maximum security prisons, prisons in the United States of America. That the president has never had a plan for that and he didn't mention to you that some 27 percent or 30 percent of these people we have released have reentered the fight. It's it's outrageous to release people that are going to reenter the fight and try to kill Americans and attack America.
[Crowley:] Let me ask you finally, I said to the president that, on Cuba, that he has been accused by his critics, including you and others, that this is just another he's just getting rolled, that his naivete once again has led him to try to open relationships with a dictator who doesn't deserve it. He answered me by talking about Putin, saying you hear the exact same thing about Putin. Here's what he said.
[Obama:] There was a spate of stories about how he was the chess master and outmaneuvering the West and outmaneuvering Mr. Obama and this and that and the other. And, right now, he's presiding over the collapse of his currency, a major financial crisis, and a huge economic contraction. That doesn't sound like somebody who has rolled me or the United States of America.
[Crowley:] What did you think?
[Mccain:] I think that that it's bizarre to think that any action on the part of the president of the United States has proved any deterrence to Vladimir Putin. We won't even give defensive weapons to the Ukrainians. We President Obama and we should be thanking the Saudis, who have allowed the value of a barrel of oil to go to the point where it's affecting dramatically Vladimir Putin's economy. It has nothing to do with any action taken by the president of the United States.
[Crowley:] You don't think the economic sanctions have done any of that?
[Mccain:] They have had almost no effect, until the price of oil continued to sink. In fact, those sanctions have had very little effect. And Vladimir Putin's popularity in his country is still incredibly high. And there has been no relaxation or drawback from Vladimir Putin's part as a result of this.
[Crowley:] Senator, what do you what is your big opposition to looking at relaxing relationships with Cuba? You, more than anyone, had, you know, a lot of reasons not to support, let's say, normalization of relations with Vietnam, but you supported that. Fifty years, 50 years, this has been this these embargoes, and it hasn't done anything, why not try it?
[Mccain:] Well, because we've shown no progress. We are rewarding Cuba for the kind of behavior that's characterized both Castro brothers. There are some 70 people who are in Cuba who have fled the United States or in the case of one who shot a New Jersey and killed a trooper in New Jersey.
[Crowley:] Sure, but isn't that the point? Is that not his point, his point is after 50 years of the same policy, they haven't done anything. Why not try something else?
[Mccain:] Well, because we would be rewarding the failure that they haven't done anything. If they had shown some progress, I think maybe that it would be what we are doing is endorsing their 50 years of oppression and repression in Cuba. And that, in my view, would encourage others.
[Crowley:] That will get you a couple of political questions here, the first is you said the president hasn't shown...
[Mccain:] Sure.
[Crowley:] ...any signs of changing, and yet, he called Democrats on the House side against House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and said, you need to vote for this budget, and we need to get it passed. So, he actively worked against something that the leadership and the House wanted, in order to get a budget deal with Republicans. Is that not reaching across the aisle?
[Mccain:] Well, what I think it's disciplining his members of his party, including former speaker Pelosi, the Democratic leader. So, I think it's more of an internal struggle with the Democrats more than it is working with Republicans.
[Crowley:] But he got a deal with Republicans, he got a budget deal with you guys.
[Mccain:] Well, but there was never any sit down with Republicans as that was being put together. There has not been any outreach of any kind that I know of from the White House to Republicans, no matter where they are, and I think Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have continued to state that.
[Crowley:] Put on your strategist hat and tell me how you think on the Republican side 2016 will play out.
[Mccain:] I think for the first time, Candy, you may see national security as a maybe since the end of the cold war a much larger role, particularly in the Republican Party where we have really some strong differences of policy outlook on America's role in the world. It's sort of a traditional conflict that's gone on within our party, but it's but because of the world we live in today, I think national security will play a much greater role in affecting the views of the voters. And that I think that's going to make it much more interesting in some respects. And so therefore, you may see greater divisions from people like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and people on the other side like Rand Paul and others. So, I think you may see that kind of debate play a much greater role in this upcoming nomination fight.
[Crowley:] Wow. Doesn't that sort of make the case for a former secretary of state on the Democratic side?
[Mccain:] Well, I think it makes a case that the question needs to be raised is, what did the secretary of state on the other side accomplish as secretary of state? And I think the results were not very appealing to the average American.
[Crowley:] Senator John McCain, I hope you have a wonderful holiday, a happy New Year. See you back in Washington.
[Mccain:] Thank you, Candy.
[Crowley:] Speaking of elections, since 1972, the Republican Party has not won the presidency without a Bush on the ticket. Is Jeb Bush the answer in 2016? Our political panel is next.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now in the NEWSROOM, right now, George Zimmerman's trial is starting up again. People would say they saw the confrontation between Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin may take the stand. Also Edward Snowden still on the run from the U.S. government, how is a high school dropout outsmarting, oh, just about everyone? This is CNN NEWSROOM now. We are following breaking news out of Los Angeles where two detectives, two police officers have been shot in what officials say was an ambush. An LAPD commander said the detectives were returning from their morning shift and trying to open the gate at their station when someone shot at them from behind. Three possible suspects have been detained while police actively continue their search for others. The officers who managed to return five have now been released from the hospital after suffering minor injuries. When we get more information on this story, we'll take you live to Los Angeles. Now we turn to the state of Florida versus George Zimmerman as that trial begins its second day. It follows a dramatic set of opening statements where prosecutors used profanity while the defense told a knock-knock joke that was met with stunned silence from the jury. CNN's George Howell is in Sanford, Florida. George, what is on tap for today?
[George Howell, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, Carol, right now, we are in a brief recess. The debate right now is over 911 calls that George Zimmerman made before this alleged crime and we heard a few of those calls. He made several of them. I want you to listen to one right now.
[George Zimmerman:] Yes, our neighborhood got burglarized or robbed today and my wife saw one of the kids that did it. And we see someone that matches his description in the neighborhood right now again.
[Unidentified Female:] OK, and what's your address out there?
[Zimmerman:] I'd rather not give out my address because he's obviously in the neighborhood, but it's retreat view circle. You can use 1111, which is the clubhouse.
[Howell:] The defense basically wants to stop these calls from being admitted into the trial because they're concerned that prosecutors want to use them to show a pattern, to show that frustration was building and the result of that frustration ended in the death of Trayvon Martin on February 26th, 2012. But again when you the defense's side of this they say that these calls were the calls of a good Samaritan, you know, calling to report what he saw as suspicious activity, Carol, when you hear him make these calls, when he's asked about description, he either says black or African-American. He says that he has been called in before. He admits that in a couple of these calls. In many cases, he gives his first name and will only give a second name, Zimmerman, if asked. And he always sends police to the same address. So it seems like he has called several times before and has a pattern, has a plan of calling when he does so.
[Costello:] All right, George Howell reporting live from Sanford, Florida, this morning. More news about Paula Deen and the big controversy surrounding her use of the "n" word, Paula Deen's sons are now coming to their mother's defense. Bobby and Jamie Deen gave an exclusive interview to CNN's "NEW DAY" this morning about the fallout over their mother's admission that she used that word in the past. The interview comes just a day after news that the southern cooking queen has lost yet another major endorsement deal, this time with Smithfield Foods. Chris Cuomo interviewed the brothers. He joins me now to tell us about it. Good morning, Chris.
[Chris Cuomo, Anchor, Cnn's "new Day":] Good, Carol. How are you? I mean, this is a layered situation, right? Because most of it grows out of a lawsuit, a deposition which is where you sit down with your counsel and opposing counsel and they start to ask you questions under oath. During that time, Paula Deen told the truth, which is that she did use the "n" word in the past and there was also in this lawsuit reference to a party that she said she wanted to have where the waiters would be dressed in a specifically offensive way. So there's several different things that now she's been forced to answer for, so are her sons. Not that they're being painted with the same brush, but of course, they want to defend their mother. So take a look and a listen to a little bit of our interview.
[Cuomo:] Here it is. Let's deal with this head on, OK? What do you say to people who believe that your mother is a racist?
[Bobby Deen, Paula Deen's Son:] That's simply not true. Our mother was under oath asked in a deposition if she to pore over her entire life and to admit whether she had ever heard or used this word. And it broke her heart to have to answer truthfully and say yes, she had. But the important thing here is for people to know that that is not her heart, it is certainly not the home that we were raised in. We were raised in a family with love and of faith and a house where God lived. And neither one of our parents ever taught us to be bigoted towards any other person for any reason. And this is so saddening to me because our motion is one of the most compassionate, good hearted, empathetic people that you'd ever meet. These accusations are very hurtful to her and it's very sad. Frankly, I'm disgusted by the entire thing because it it began as extortion and it has become character assassination. Our mother is not the picture being painted of her.
[Jaime Deen, Paula Deen's Son:] Let me tell you a story, Chris, when I was a young man in 1975 before I had my tonsils taken out, Henry Aaron was my first sports hero growing up. In 1974, he broke Babe Ruth's home run record by hitting 715 home runs. Before I had my tonsils taken out, I was obviously I was 7 years old. I was very nervous. My parents gave me Hank Aaron pajamas. When they gave me these pajamas, my mom and dad told me the story of the challenges that the Aaron faced in his pursuit of this record. They told me that he was a man of character and the challenges that he overcame because of his color was unacceptable. This is a lesson that my mom and dad taught me when I was 7 years old and it's a lesson that I've carried throughout my life of inclusion and to treat everyone fairly and by their character and by their own merit. Under no circumstances should you ever judge anybody for any other reason.
[Cuomo:] Jamie, in the deposition, your mother says that she taught you that there can be acceptable uses of the "n" word, not to use it in a mean way, but you can use it sometimes. Is that true?
[Jaime Deen:] That's completely false. I've never heard that before in my life. The first time I'd ever heard that was just now, Chris. My mother would never teach Bobby and I anything other we're obviously a product of our environment. We care very much about our community. I'm raising two boys right now. This is ridiculous. It's completely absurd to think that there's an environment of racism in our business and it's really disrespectful to the people that we work with. We have strong, educated men and women of character that have been with us for five, 10, 15, 20 years. To think that they would allow themselves to be in this position is simply baloney. It's just ridiculous.
[Cuomo:] So Bobby, what do you think your mother meant when she said that in the deposition?
[Bobby Deen:] I have no idea, Chris. I have never she has never said those words to me. My mother has never taught to me that it was acceptable to say terrible things or use vile language against other people to use words as a weapon. I've never heard that. So I have no idea.
[Cuomo:] But you know where I'm getting it from. I'm giving you guys a chance to deal with what is in this lawsuit essentially in the deposition that came out of it. I mean, one of the reasons this has become so difficult for your mom is these are her own words. These are her own admissions that she's making here that yes, she used the "n" word inappropriately, yes, this story about the wedding and how people should be dressed there that is slave reminiscent, these are her words. Doesn't it make it more difficult to apologize and back away from?
[Bobby Deen:] Well, let me say this. These depositions were all given separately. Mine was separate from my mother's and separate from my brother's. We were not sitting in on each other's depositions. I did not hear my mother give this deposition and I don't know exactly what she may have meant.
[Jaime Deen:] These are her words and not for Bobby and I, but I can tell you we do not have lies in us. The number one thing that we cannot stand is someone that is deceitful. That's why when people ask us the truth, we tell the truth. You know, regardless of the outcome. Truth is big in our family and
[Bobby Deen:] I can tell you this. That word, that horrifying, terrible word that exists and I abhorred it come from any person is not in my vocabulary. It's definitely not in my brother's vocabulary. It's not in my mother's vocabulary. We were not raised in a home that that was used. That's not who we are. That's not the home that we were raised in.
[Cuomo:] So there you have it, Carol, a very difficult situation for the boys to be in. I know them both. I've worked with them when I was at ABC. They have good reputations for themselves, but this is their mother and they're going to come out for her. And what makes this situation very difficult, is it's not one situation that's been exposed. These are Paula Deen's own words, her own admissions. It makes it more complex.
[Costello:] And I guess the next step, Paula Deen herself is going to come out tomorrow morning and talk about these allegations and I guess it all depends on what she says and how she explains these remarks.
[Cuomo:] Yes, I guess. That's the PR angle, right, and what this means for her reputation. Is she able to carry forward with business, but, you know, when you cover these stories, we get caught up in that because that's the immediate dynamic. But you know, I really do wish there would be something else in these situations. The ugliness is obvious. We know the word is unacceptable. We're trying to teach our kids, trying to strip it out of us as a culture, but it's hard. You have to try to find a way in these moments to do something positive with it. Not that there's any good in what was said and what was felt, but that in how you move forward to it, what you teach, you know, what we often call teachable moments. That's what I hope happens here because at the end of the day, the only way to report it is on the facts involved in the context. But what we really need here, Carol, is for Paula Deen if she wants to say she's sorry to demonstrate that in an emotional way that shows attachment to these themes that came up with what she said and did. And then for the rest of us to also have that echo of what really matters and what we want to stay away from, what behaviors we want to reinforce. So I hope it gets to that, this story, I hope it's not just about endorsements and what the public feels about her levels of genuineness in an apology.
[Costello:] I think it's moving on that now. Chris Cuomo, thanks so much. Also new this morning, the U.S. blustered, other nations' bristle and Edward Snowden remains very much visible. The man who exposed a secret U.S. surveillance program is still in hiding a full two days after leaving Hongkong. The U.S. believes he's hunkered down in a transit area of the Moscow airport. That leaves him in diplomatic limbo and without any deadline to come forward. The U.S. says Snowden's betrayal should not be taken lightly.
[John Kerry, Secretary Of State:] People may die as a consequence of what this man did. It is possible the United States will be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves in some way or another that they didn't know before.
[Costello:] Joining me on the phone is Phil Mudd, a former CIA deputy director and is now a research fellow at the New America Foundation. Good morning, Phil.
[Phil Mudd, Senior Research Fellow, New America Foundation:] Good morning from Washington. How are you?
[Costello:] I'm good. Thanks for being with us. Your specialty is counterterrorism. Do you believe Snowden is in the Moscow airport?
[Mudd:] I'm not certain. My guess is he is and that the Russians like the Hongkong government before him are trying to figure out what to do. They don't want to help the Americans necessarily, but they also don't want to keep this guy around forever. I have a feeling a bunch of guys are seeing around scratching their heads trying to figure out what to do.
[Costello:] If Snowden is in the Moscow airport, would it be reasonable to believe that maybe the KGB is there talking to him?
[Mudd:] I think there's a strong likelihood that two things have happen. You used the word talking. I don't think he's being interrogated, but I have a hard time believing that nobody has actually asked him if he has anything to say. The second is, of course, the exploitation of digital media. That is things like thumb drive, cell phones, laptops, I have to believe that somebody has looked into whatever he's carrying and downloaded whatever he has.
[Costello:] And you're talking about these four laptops he supposedly has with them. I mean, if he's holed up in this airport, might Russian authorities look at that laptop? Is that what you're saying?
[Mudd:] Absolutely. I wouldn't look at it. If I were in their shoes, I'm just copy the whole thing, download whatever is on it. It wouldn't be that hard.
[Costello:] OK, so why what can the United States do if indeed Snowden is in that airport? I mean, what can it do?
[Mudd:] Boy, the dirty secret here is there's not much to be done. He's violated a federal law and the Department of Justice and diplomatic officials will say, look, you have to hand him over. But in truth, this is not Hollywood. You're not going to swoop down with black hawk helicopters. Whether it's Ecuador or whether its Russia and pick this guy up. You go and knock on the door and say, you've got to give over somebody who has violated our laws. But at the end of the day, there's not much leverage you have to pull here.
[Costello:] OK, Phil, as a former CIA deputy director, Edward Snowden, is he making a mockery out of governments all over the world? Is he embarrassing the United States?
[Mudd:] I don't think he is. I've seen the debates on this on TV. I have to tell you, I disagree with him. If you've got hundreds or thousands or millions of people with security clearances, in your measure did any one of them ever take a thumb drive out or information out in his head and give it to a foreign government or expose it to the media, if your bar is nobody would ever do that, I would say that's absurd in an open society. It's going to happen in a country that has so many people with security clearances. I think he's embarrassing himself. He started with an interesting proposition. What is freedom and openness in the 21st Century? Now he's make a mockery of himself by traveling around to dictatorships and talking about not just what's happening to American but looking at the Chinese government and how we attack their systems.
[Costello:] All right, Phil Mudd, thank you so much for being with us this morning.
[Mudd:] My pleasure. Thank you.
[Costello:] All right, this just into us, the U.S. Supreme Court just handed down a ruling on voting rights. At issue, certain provisions from the Landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. It's a complicated case and one of the most significant civil rights laws in our country's history. Jake tapper and Jeff Toobin are at the court. We'll get right to them when we have all the details on that ruling. So stay with NEWSROOM and CNN. Also coming up in the NEWSROOM, no more guessing about how many calories are in your Starbucks mocha cappuccino. The company is now putting it on all display for you to see. Will it really change what you eat, what you drink? We'll talk about that.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thanks so much for joining me this morning. Happening now, opening bell on Wall Street. U.S. stock futures just a bit higher, but Macy's stock surged in free market trading. The retailer said it would cut 2,500 workers and the street loved it. Back to our big top story now, the New Jersey traffic jam scandal that has involved the administration of Governor Chris Christie. At the center of the controversy are top aides to Christie and a mayor there accused of targeting for political revenge. One of these top players, David Wildstein, was a highest level Christie appointee for the New Jersey Port Authority. The Port Authority is the group that operates the bridge connecting New Jersey and New York. Wildstein received an e-mail from Christie's deputy chief of staff, Bridget Anne Kelly, who told Wildstein, quote, "time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee." That was believed to be an order to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge, that would be the nation's busiest crossing into New York City. That bridge also leads to Fort Lee, New Jersey, which is the jurisdiction of this man, the Democrat Mayor Mark Sokolich. Reports say Sokolich and the city of Fort Lee were targeted by Christie's aides after Sokolich refused to back Christie during his re-election bid. Chris Christie's tough talking, no-nonsense style has made for some very memorable moments. Here's a look back at Christie's take on everything from reporters who go off topic, to a presidential election scheduled for just a few weeks after Superstorm Sandy.
[Unidentified Male:] On Monday. Are you going to be addressing the legislature?
[Gov. Chris Christie . New Jersey:] Did I say on topic? Are you are you stupid? On topic. On topic. Next question. Good. Thank thank you. Thank you. Thank you all very much and I'm sorry for the idiot over there. I find it fascinating that a doctor in Arizona who's never met me, never examined me, never reviewed my medical history or records, knows nothing about my family history, could make a diagnosis from 2,400 miles away. She must be a genius. You have numbnuts that Reed Gusciora who put out a statement, you know, comparing me to George Wallace and Lester Maddox. Now, you know, come on, guys, at some point you've got to be able to call B.S. on those kind of press releases.
[Unidentified Female:] You don't send your children to public schools. You send them to private schools. So I was wondering why you think it's fair to be cutting school funding to public schools.
[Christie:] What's her name?
[Unidentified Male:] What's her name, guys, real quick, because the governor's talking. What is it? Gail. Talk to Gail.
[Christie:] Gail, you know what, first off, it's none of your business. I don't ask you where you send your kids to school. Don't bother me about where I send mine. I don't give a damn about election day. It doesn't matter a lick to me. At the moment, I've got much bigger fish to fry than that. So do the people of the state of New Jersey.
[Costello:] So some people love that tough talking and some people, well, they don't love it so much. But let's talk about that. Larry Sabato is the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. John Avlon is a CNN political analyst and executive editor for "The Daily Beast." Good morning to both of you.
[Larry Sabato, Director, University Of Virginia Ctr. For Politics:] Good morning.
[John Avlon, Cnn Political Analyst, Cnn Political Analyst:] Good morning.
[Costello:] OK, so this isn't the first time Christie has been accused of retaliation or bullying. He's known for this. The question is, will this scandal have ramifications nationwide? Will people really be so upset at this that it will ruin Christie's chances of possibly becoming president of the United States. Larry, I'll start with you.
[Sabato:] Well, Carol, first, we have to know whether Governor Christie had any knowledge of this at the time the bridge was closed or those lanes on the bridge were closed. Second, we need to know whether he participated in any way in the cover-up after the incident first occurred. Assuming the answer is no to both of those questions, and assuming he does the obvious thing, which is to clean house of his own appointees who were involved in this, then I think he can go forward. But clearly people are going to have a lot of questions about what kind of person Chris Christie is, and that's appropriate for a presidential campaign. Being governor of New Jersey is one thing. The enormous power in the Oval Office can easily be misused by a vindictive, bullying chief executive. We once had one. His name was Richard Nixon. And his staff reflected his values. So that's what we have to find out. Do the staffers in Christie's office reflect his values? Assuming Christie was not involved.
[Costello:] Well, and, John, lest we forget, this isn't the first time Christie has been accused of political retaliation. "The New York Times" reports a former governor was stripped of police security at public events. A Rutgers professor lost state financing for cherished programs. A state senator lost his candidacy for a judgeship. It suddenly stalled for some reason. Another state senator was disinvited from an event with the governor in his own district. So maybe Christie can recover from bridge-gate, but what about the rest, because surely all of that's going to come out now.
[Avlon:] Well, Carol, look, politics is perception. And the problem of this particular scandal and we'll know more after Christie's 11:00 press conference, which really could be pivotal in terms of the narrative of his administration and any future political attributions he might have. But politics and perception. And the flip-side of being a tough guy is that your opponents call you a bully. We've seen this, especially in a tri-state area. When prosecutors become politicians, Rudy Giuliani, Eliot Spitzer, that that is an accusation that gets thrown around. Sometimes it is dead-on accurate. Sometimes it's just political opponents trying to find the negative spin on a core tribute that seems to be broadly popular. Chris Christie is broadly popular New Jersey, but this is what his opponents have been griping about for a long time and all of a sudden you have a very urgent smoking gun and national media attention and that's why this is such a pivotal moment in the Christie administration.
[Costello:] You know, Larry, Dana Bash brought up something interesting, you know, on "New Day." She said that Republicans weren't so into Chris Christie anyway. And it wasn't because of his bullying, it was because of his politics. So maybe we're just jumping the gun here thinking that Christie had any chance of winning the presidency in 2016 anyway.
[Avlon:] Well,
[Sabato:] Well, Carol, that's what I've been saying. Look, I keep reading in the press that Chris Christie is the front-runner for the Republican nomination. No, there is no front-runner. There's not a single one of the approximately eight potential candidates that even has 20 percent of the Republican vote in the primaries. So Chris Christie and no one else is a front-runner. And Chris Christie has problems wholly apart from, you know, whether he's a bridge over troubled water, which he clearly is not. He's got problems with some of the social issues. He's considered too moderate by much of the Republican base. So I think you're absolutely right.
[Costello:] Well, the other question, John, is, New Jersey's newspaper came out and said, if these allegations are true, if Christie is lying about his possible role in bridge-gate, then he's not fit to hold office. Could he lose his governorship?
[Avlon:] Well, I mean, look, you know, if it is found that Chris Christie knew about this and lied to the people in New Jersey, of course that becomes very, very, very serious. His core attribute as a politician is that he's straightforward, he's blunt, he's honest. And if all of a sudden, you know, one of the core political sins is hypocrisy. And if that gets undercut and we find that Chris Christie knew about this, that becomes very, very serious. There's also questions about the aides who ordered this shutdown. Not just whether it was reflecting tone from the top. Whether it's a Thomas A. Beckett-type situation or something more sinister. But also, when you slow down traffic and all of a sudden ambulances can't get to people, there are statutes on the book that could make that a criminal matter. But that will be played out over the coming days and weeks.
[Costello:] All right, John Avlon and Larry Sabato, thanks so much for playing with me today. I appreciate it.
[Avlon:] Take care, Carol.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, Chris Christie has long touted his ability to rise above petty politics. But was he just saying the right things get elected? Dana Bash live on Capitol Hill. Hi, Dana.
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Hi there, Carol. Well, the sound of silence among congressional Republicans is deafening right now. But I'll tell you the way Republicans who have been on the receiving end of some of Christie's blunt talks are quietly reacting, right after the break.

[Hammer:] There`s apparently nothing royal about getting older. It is the viral cover of Lorde`s hit song "Royals" that`s got a lot of people over 25 years old totally identifying. And we`ve got the woman who made it right here. That takes us to No. 3 on our countdown of today`s must-see, must-share stories. A little ditty about growing older. Molly Dworsky was inspired to write her song about growing older, because Lorde is just so successful at such a young age. It is so unfair. Molly Dworsky is with me in Hollywood. It is great to meet you.
[Molly Dworsky, Comedian:] You, too.
[Hammer:] We have been having fun playing your song. And obviously, a lot of people have been watching it over and over online. But you`re 26 years old right now. So why all the angst about being over 25?
[Dworsky:] Well, for comedy`s sake, I think, primarily. But when I found out that Lorde was 16 when this song launched, and it was enormous, I couldn`t help but feel bad about how little I`ve done relative to her success.
[Hammer:] Well, clearly, this has struck you at your core. You had to do something about it. Let`s watch some more. This is fantastic.
[Dworsky:] Sure.
[Hammer:] Watch this with me. I mean, I could watch this all day. In fact I`ve been watching it all day. Can we do we have a shot of Lorde that I can put up here? Because when I look at the two of them. Yes. Look at, you know, she`s 17. So you`re 26 now. You guys could be twins, though. I actually understand the resemblance somehow also inspired you to write the song?
[Dworsky:] Yes, I didn`t know who she was. I heard the song a few times, but it was early it was late September when the song dropped. And one of my customers I work as a server. One of my customers said that I looked like her, and I didn`t know who she was. So I looked her up when I got home and freaked out, because she was so young.
[Hammer:] Oh, my God. Let`s roll some more in the background here, Charles, but keep our mikes up, because I just have to ask you about the reaction that you`ve gotten here. So many, 20- and 30-somethings have been responding to this as the thing exploded and went viral. Tell me some of the reaction that you`ve been getting.
[Dworsky:] I`ve been getting a lot of, like, "You go, girl," "I totally feel that way." And I`ve been getting a lot of "You are so young. You don`t know anything. Wait until you`re 40."
[Hammer:] But do you have a lot of people saying, look at you, you`re actually quite accomplished. She`s an exception. Let`s face facts. At 17 years old to have achieved what she`s achieved. You do understand that. I mean, I know you`re having fun with all this?
[Dworsky:] Yes. I mean, I`m a comedian, and I`m here to poke fun at it. I`m here to just happened to work out that my high school was the Royals and that someone said I looked like her, so it seemed like a good a good avenue for comedy for me. And doing the video was sort of my first adult thing that I did. Because I I followed through with something that I had an idea for.
[Hammer:] And you got it done before you turned 30. Well, it`s great fun. Everybody is enjoying it. I really loved meeting you, Molly. Thank you so much for being here.
[Dworsky:] Thank you.
[Hammer:] All right. Well, it certainly has been a wild ride on our must- see, must-share countdown. It all comes down to this. We reveal numbers two and one. What could top the countdown? Here`s a hint. It might make the man with perhaps the biggest ego in Hollywood say hallelujah. This is SBT on HLN.

[Unidentified Male:] Let me ask you a question Chris. Would you be surprised if I told you the navy has credited you with over 160 kills?
[Costello:] An unbelievable movie but a question arose this morning. This is the question. Do you think snipers in the United States military are cowards? It's not coming from me; it's coming from Michael Moore. He does. And apparently he's not alone. The documentary filmmaker went on Twitter last night and bashed the new Oscar nominated Bradley Cooper feature "American Sniper", a biopic about Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL and sharp shooter. One of Moore's tweets read quote, "My uncle was killed by a sniper in World War II. We were taught snipers were cowards, who'll shoot you in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. They're invaders and worse." CNN's Brian Stelter joins me now with more. I know it's Michael Moore but I was taken aback by this.
[Brian Stelter, Cnn Senior Media Correspondent:] Me too. And a lot of other people as well. It seemed to come out of nowhere. We don't know if he's actually seen the movie or not. I think the first step is you have to see the movie and then maybe you can comment on it. But, you know, He's not the only one saying things like this. There's actually a billboard in Los Angeles for this movie. There's now graffiti over it with the word "murder" saying that Chris Kyle was not a hero, he was a murderer.
[Costello:] And then Seth Rogen came out too. Mr. North Korea?
[Stelter:] He did. He was also yes, yes. He says he felt like this movie played like the movie that was in third act of "Inglorious Bastards", you know. And what we've seen generally is I think this movie mirroring a public debate that's happening about about war. 13, 14 years into the war on terror, many years after most of our troops came home from Iraq. No longer is the Iraq war something that's being shown on movie theaters as a present day event. It's now history. History is talked about differently than events that are still progressing. You know what I mean?
[Costello:] Like the Vietnam War right?
[Stelter:] Yes, absolutely. The tone of movies changed after the Vietnam War as well. It evolved over the years. No time until now has an Iraq war movie been successful at the box office. "Lions and Lambs" and "Rendition" and these other films that came out years ago all of them did not even what was the one that won the Oscar "The Hurt Locker".
[Costello:] Chris Kyle's story is so compelling Brian. I mean he's such a compelling character. And the way he died in real life was very moving and sad.
[Stelter:] Absolutely. And when I saw the movie, first of all, I thought it was the best movie I had seen all year. When it ended, everyone including me just sat there watching the whole credits. Nobody wanted to get up. It was that kind of movie. It was an incredibly powerful movie.
[Costello:] Actually two other people told me the same thing. When the movie ended, you were emotionally spent.
[Stelter:] Maybe that's why it's breaking these records. I mean dateline.com says what record did this movie not break? We haven't almost ever seen a movie like this do so well in January but Warner Brothers which like CNN is owned by Time Warner it did something very smart. It opened the movie in New York and L.A. at the end of 2014 then it was able to build momentum and got all those Oscar nominations last week and then on Friday it opened across the country at just the right time. There was already interest in this movie. And now as a result of these huge ticket sales, it's going to have even more Oscar momentum. So it's sort of a virtuous cycle. But it does, you know, if we open these debates about the Iraq war I came away thinking depending on your perspective of the Iraq war, this is either prime, it's either pro-war or anti-war. You can see it either way depending on what attitude you come in to the theater.
[Costello:] Fascinating. I would really like to know what our viewers think about this. They've already expressed very strong opinions on my Facebook page. It's at facebook.comCarolCNN. Thank you for the comments. They are strong. Exactly what I wanted. Thank you for joining me.
[Stelter:] Thank you.
[Costello:] I appreciate it. Thank you for joining me today as well. I'm Carol Costello. NEWSROOM with John Berman after a break.

[King:] Welcome back. Turns out talking about impeaching or suing the President is a way to raise some big money. Let's deal with the "I" word first. House Speaker John Boehner says poppycock. When Democrats say Republicans plan to impeach the President they're wrong.
[Boehner:] The whole talk of impeachment is coming from the President's own staff and coming from Democrats on Capitol Hill. Why? Because they're trying to rally their people to give money and to show up in this year's election. We have no plans to impeach the President. We have no future plans. Listen, it's all a scam started by Democrats at the White House.
[King:] Not all a scam. The Speaker's right, he has never put impeachment on the table but a few Republicans have, including Sarah Palin and that's what Democrats have seized on, Republicans who have said impeach him or we would like to impeach him or we would vote for impeachment. That's what Democrats are seizing on and yes, Democrats are using a lot of hyperbole to raise a ton of money. Also same issue, Republicans are the House Republicans suing the President and guess what? They say they're suing on principle but they're also trying to raise some political money off it. Here's a Republican e-mail, "Thanks for supporting the lawsuit. Please send money so we can elect more Republicans." But the most surprising part of this is how much Democrats love it. They love the Republican talk of suing the President. Now, they say Speaker Boehner says this opens the door to impeachment. Again, the Speaker hasn't said that but it's a fund-raising e-mail a lot of hyperbole. Boehner refuses to say impeachment is off the table. Again, you just heard the Speaker say impeachment is off the table. Why are Democrats doing this? Well, let me give you almost 10 million reasons. They say since the Republicans said we're going to sue the President they have raised nearly $10 million for House Democratic campaign. So Jonathan Martin, prove to me as we talked a little bit about the policy in the last block that all the parties care about here is raising money and getting to November. There's not really a serious conversation about getting anything done and this lawsuit idea for both parties serves their purpose. They both love it because they gin up the base.
[Martin:] Classic Washington symbiosis. I think the prospects for having anything done in the Congress, John, that ship sailed months ago. We have been in campaign mode now since the start of this year. And frankly, the only window for getting anything done will probably be in the lame duck session after Election Day and before the next Congress.
[Allen:] The Republican leadership has been surprised by the way this backfired. It's what you get for being too cute. As you guys know, the only reason that they ever talked about suing the President was that they thought that was a way to deflate the impeachment. And instead it gave the White House an opening. And the moment that I knew how much the White House loved this issue the very first day the President talked about a lawsuit Boehner talked about a lawsuit. I thought it seemed like a stunt, funny that, and I didn't put it in political playbook and the White House complained. Boehner said I knew right away where this was headed.
[King:] You see the President out there saying sue me, sue me. Nancy Pelosi, they love to talk about this because they're raising money off it which they hope will help them in November. You do hear the President from time to time talking about Washington and he's trying to turn this to his advantage saying the Republicans just want to sue him where he'd like to get some things done. Listen.
[Obama:] We could do so much more if Congress would just come on and help out a little bit. Just come on. Come on and help out a little bit. Stop being mad all the time. Stop stop this hating all the time.
[King:] Smart politics for the President in this election year, a very tough election year for him. But Robert, is there any evidence that the President has quietly tried to work with members of Congress, his Republican critics or that Harry Reid tried to come across to the senate? I know John Boehner hasn't gone to Harry Reid. This is not all a Democratic problem, this is a mutual problem. But is there any evidence the Democrats have actually tried to do what the President said which is get things done?
[Costa:] When I speak to House Republicans and Senate Democrats they say there's not that much engagement from the White House and I think the White House's political strategy is entirely understandable. But I wonder if the President's going to pay any sort of political price to have such a midterm emphasis on people like Steve Stockman, Sarah Palin. Sure, are they out there on the fringe of the right in the Republican Party talking about impeachment but that really isn't the core Republican message this year. So he's running against the extreme part of the party, not the center of the party and I wonder if voters will pay attention.
[Henderson:] Yes. But the thing is, with the lawsuit that is the House Republican. They own that, they obviously voted to pass it and voted to sue the President. In the White House's eyes and I think in grassroots people's eyes as well, it's almost the same thing, right. And I think one of the things you've seen Republicans really try to cut this talk off of impeachment. But in a lot of ways it's already out there. You listen to black radio, for instance, they're talking about impeachment. They're talking about lawsuit. We know in 1998 we've seen this before with Clinton and it was black voters particularly in the south that really came to Clinton's rescue, and helped him stave off losing the senate.
[Martin:] This is what drives McConnell and Boehner crazy, the story of our time in Washington which is the Republican Party poised to make big gains over a backlash to the President. Those gains are stymied at least in part because they had to mollify
[Allen:] Stymied and mollify look at you.
[Martin:] the fringe of their own party right.
[King:] Those are big "New York Times" words.
[Allen:] Exactly.
[King:] But you make a key point there, though. I think in that environment, where people have seen the Republican big goals, they look at them now and think maybe not. It seems the one thing both parties do agree on, that there's not a giant waive out there they think. Democrats think if they can lose only 8 to 12 House seats they'll be in play if they get a presidential win in 2016 to maybe get the majority back. They think that you could have the senate the Republicans need in the gain of six, they think it's possible. Someone's got to get 51 or 52, we just don't know who that someone is that's the point. Is that a fair assessment that they both sort of view this now as chess for the last three months?
[Costa:] I think so. I think one of the frustrations on the Republican side, what is the Republican message? They're not going to bring an alternative to the Affordable Care Act up in the House. They're having all this trouble passing a border bill. Good luck trying to pass an alternative to Obama care. But on jobs, on entitlement reform, on the budget, there's not much consensus. It's not coherent on the GOP side and so they feel optimistic ahead of the midterms but there's not a core message.
[King:] There's not a wave message.
[Henderson:] Right, right. There's not a wave message and it looked like early on maybe it would be Obama care but that seems to have, you know, subsided a bit and it looks like Republicans now look like Democrats in terms of all of these issues and they're just throwing them on the wall to see what sticks.
[Allen:] Look, here is an amazing sign of just how bleak the environment is for Democrats. A Democratic strategist who had access to all the polls, focus groups said "We're writing off voters who are angry. Our target voters now are people who are worried, disappointed, concerned." Those are the voters that they want. That's a bad place to be. It's a matter of mitigating a tough year.
[King:] Right, try to mitigate a tough year but they think it's a little better than they would have a couple months ago. We've got three months to go a lot can change. Everybody stay put. Up next, tomorrow's news today our reporters share some nuggets and get you out ahead of the big political news to come.

[Unidentified Male:] Biggest weekend ever for a film in January. The American Sniper.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Anchor:] The greatest war movie of our time.
[Unidentified Male:] $300 million.
[Bradley Cooper, Actor & Producer, "american Sniper":] Hope I guess that we can educate those of us who aren't really familiar with the flight of a soldier and the soldier's family.
[Chris Kyle, Ex-navy Seal:] My only regrets are the guys I couldn't save. That's what keeps me up at night.
[Unidentified Female:] He knew he was serving a purpose, he knew he was saving lives.
[Unidentified Male:] Chris Kyle is now the target of not only glory but controversy.
[Unidentified Female:] Did he tell the whole truth?
[Jesse Ventura, Former Minnesota Governor:] A propaganda film that is as authentic as dirty harry.
[Unidentified Female:] Film maker Michael Moore called snipers cowards.
[Jeff Kyle, Chris Kyle's Brother:] He was a protector, always has been from the time we were little.
[Unidentified Male:] For the trial to the man accused of killing Kyle. The American Sniper success will impact jurors.
[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Correspondent:] Good evening I'm Alisyn Camerota along with Chris Cuomo. Tonight we look at the incredibly successful movie American Sniper. The film has smashed box office records becoming the most popular war movie in U.S. history, but why?
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Corresondent:] The main reason is probably the man at the center, right? Former Navy SEAL Sniper, Chris Kyle. His war experience in Iraq clearly resonating with millions and not just Americans. But the Iraq War is one of the most unpopular conflicts in recent memories, so despite all the film success, it is not without controversy. But all of this is worth a deeper look because American Sniper has quickly become more than a movie.
[Luke Grimes, Actor:] You're Complex?
[B. Cooper:] I just want to get the bad guys, but if I can't see them, I can't shoot them.
[Cuomo:] The American movie that has become a national moment.
[B. Cooper:] I'm ready.
[Cuomo:] Clint Eastwood's American Sniper has already wracked in six Oscar nominations including best actor for Bradley Cooper and almost $300 million, making it the highest grossing war film ever. It's Chris Kyle's story. The Navy SEAL, known as the deadliest sniper in U.S. military history at least 160 confirmed kills, over tours in Iraq.
[Unidentified Male:] Did you ever think that you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you haven't?
[B. Cooper:] Well that's not me, no.
[Unidentified Male:] It's not you.
[B. Cooper:] I was just protecting my guys. The thing that haunts me are all the guys that I couldn't save.
[Cuomo:] And it is the story of what battles were fought by Kyle and others after the war that maybe deepening the film's impact.
[Unidentified Female:] ... called snipers cowards. Questions about the real-life sniper.
[Lemon:] It's a box office Bullseye.
[Cuomo:] Controversy has followed the lionizing of Kyle as a patriot and hero. Critic's questions celebrating a prodigious kill and say the movie paints a largely rosy picture of America's evasion of Iraq.
[B. Cooper:] Don't pick it up.
[Cuomo:] Fuel to the fire came in the familiar form of Michael Moore who galvanized military supported with this Tweet. "My uncle killed by sniper in World War II. We were taught snipers were coward, will shoot you in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders are worse." The criticism started a debate, was Chris Kyle a hero or a coward.
[Sean Hannity, Fox News Correspondent:] The very freedom that Michael Moore has is a gift that's given to him by God and protected by a strong military.
[Bill Maher, Host Of Hbo's "real Time":] This one is just American hero, he's a psychopath patriot and we love him.
[Cuomo:] Moore later clarified on Facebook. He hadn't been referring to the movie specifically in his Tweets.
[Sienna Miller, Actress:] Your home? What are you doing?
[B. Cooper:] I guess I just needed a minute.
[Cuomo:] But there is a larger dynamic at play. Sniper explores Post- Dramatic Stress Disorder or PDSD, a largely underrepresented and underserved reality facing America's fighting men, women and their families.
[B. Cooper:] It's about the struggles that people go though being at war and being at home. Because more and more military vets are coming back and never before because of medical advancements and we have to take care of them.
[Cuomo:] Kyle was killed in February 2013 by Eddie Ray Routh a U.S. veteran diagnosed with PDSD, while the two were at Texas gun range. He's murder trial is set to start this week, a reminder of the human toll at the heart of this blockbuster, a disease that plagues American's warriors. And that's a truth as real as the enduring pain Kyle's family still feels over this death.
[Taya Kyle, Chris Kyle's Widow:] It sort of a picture of humanity and what we go through when we fight for something we believe in and are affected by it and then have to fight to find our way back to each other.
[Camerota:] So who was Chris Kyle? Let's bring in Jeff Kyle, Chris' brother and a U.S. Marine. Scott McEwen, family friend and co-author of American Sniper. And retired Major General James "Spider" Marks, he assigned Chris Kyle to his first mission in Iraq. Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. Jeff I want to start with you. I just saw the movie, yesterday, it is so powerful, so affecting and it's impossible not to think that your brother was just an appealing guy. What do you think about Bradley Cooper's depiction of your brother, was he just like that?
[Jeff Kyle, Chris Kyle's Brother:] He Cooper did a really good job. I think, you know, he captured most everything about Chris and put it in the movie.
[Cuomo:] Your bother was better looking though, let's be honest.
[J. Kyle:] Of course.
[Cuomo:] Cooper fell a little short.
[J. Kyle:] Right.
[Cuomo:] There's a scene in the movie you also serve, you're a veteran and thank you for your service. There is a scene in the movie not early on but when you're actually supposedly in theater and you run across each other. Did that ever really happened?
[Kyle:] No sir, no.
[Cuomo:] All right, so what was because he was suppose to be portraying, you know, you are four years younger and you were there, you were having a hard time in the war. That's how it's portrait.
[J. Kyle:] Right.
[Cuomo:] And then your brother comes. How was your relationship if your brother knew that you are having any kind of trouble there, what do you think he would have done?
[J. Kyle:] He would drop everything to do everything he could to come assist me, for sure, and vice-versa.
[Camerota:] But did you two have philosophical discussion about the wars mission?
[Kyle:] We did. After every deployment then we would get together and that was our decompression time. You know, we use each other to decompress and we talk about our mission and talk about everything that was going on and, you know, help each other through everything.
[Camerota:] Scott, I want to bring you in this movie has broken all sorts of records. It is a bonanza, the most popular American war movie ever, they call it. Why do you think it has stuck suck a core with the American public? SCOTT MCEWEN, CO-AUTHOR, "AMERICAN SNIPER". Well, I want to say first of all, Jeff, its good to see you. You know, your brother really respected you, and loved you, and he made it very clear that you are very important part of his life as well. And haven't really have a chance to tell you that, but that scene in the movie was not from the book as you know, but I'll have my discussion with Jason about later. Yeah, I think it's broken all record because of the fact that it really breaks down the experience of 100,000 of troops that have been into battle for this country for the last 13 years. I mean, a lot of people don't realize it, but we've had back to back deployments by people such as Chris and Jeff and others from our military for almost 14 years now in Afghanistan and Iraq. And what we wanted to tell was not just the story of Chris but the story of all Americans and their families that have gone to war, come home and had to deal with the deployments and the things you have to deal with your family. And so, I think it struck a nerve with a lot of different people, not just because Chris was such a patriot and such as amazing individual, but also because the fact it's an experience that all of America is gone through and a lot of people know a lot of people that have been through very similar...
[Cuomo:] And it's a reality that you can't repeat enough. General, you know, the statistic about your sending him off on his mission or not. What was the reputation of the man and tell us why you do believe an echo what Scott says that there are a lot of soldier's stories that fit this mode. MAJ. GEN JAMES "SPIDER" MARKS
[Cnn Military Analyst:] Well, there really are in means numbers of incredibly personal stories. Look, I did not known Chris Kyle, but I knew thousands of Chris Kyle's. The mission that he went on was really essentially started the war in Iraq. It was the gas oil platform on the Northern Gulf and we had to secure that. Our concern certainly was that Saddam was going to set it on fire. So the SEALs had that mission and Chris was on that team. So this is very personal in a whole bunch of ways. It's quite in amazing story because I think what it does is it grabs the viewer and it puts him and her in this rather fulsome experience of combat and the in and out of combat. You're in combat then back home and how do you achieve some degree normality. And clearly, Chris struggled with it. And I would argue that most veterans do when they come back from combat, because in combat you're so narrow and you're so deep. And the complication of living have just kind of been pushed and washed aside. And the real heroes are your brides that are left at home and your family members that have to deal with all of that while you fulfill you mission.
[Camerota:] Jeff, you're nodding along as you listen to General Marks talk. What emotional was condition was Chris in when he came back from these tours?
[J. Klye:] Yeah, he was just like the rest of us that came back. It took a toll on him, you know, to the outsider you couldn't tell. But to the family and, you know, to his close friends and his teammates, I mean, yeah, you know, because we all know we've been there. We know what he's struggling with. And, you know, I mean, we could tell. But...
[Cuomo:] So it did it helped you with each other like, you know, you may not want to deal with what was inside you but you saw it at him and vise versa especially as brothers?
[J. Kyle:] Right, right. Yeah, you know, and like I said before, you know, we would discuss everything after each deployment and we would compare how, you know, each other's deployments were and it would be comprised and I think that would help us get through to our next deployments.
[Camerota:] There's this really affecting moment in the movie where another soldier tries to thank your brother for saving his life. Let's just play a little clip of that.
[Unidentified Male:] Are you Chief Chris Kyle?
[B. Cooper:] Yes, Sir.
[Unidentified Male:] My name Mavs. We met at Fallujah. You saved my life.
[B. Cooper:] I did?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes sir. We were stuck in the house, until you came in with first marines. You were the one that carried me out.
[B. Cooper:] Well the by the way the marines saved out lives plenty times. How are you? Are you all right? You're holding up?
[Unidentified Male:] Great. I'm just grateful to be alive.
[Camerota:] The movie makes the scene as though dozen uncomfortable moments for him. He doesn't really want to be thanked.
[J. Kyle:] He did because he wasn't doing it for the thank yous, you know. He did it because he cared about each and everyone of the Americans over there. And, you know, about the citizens over there, you know, so he wasn't doing it for all the publicity. He wasn't doing it for the thank yous. He wasn't doing it to earn the name "The Legend." You know, he did it because he actually cared and that's what his all mission was.
[Cuomo:] Scott, one of the challenges for you is to when you were writing the book is nobody sees themselves the way others do. And what was it do you think that Chris Kyle had to accept from the process of doing his story with you about himself that he may not wanted to, you know, inscribe to himself? What qualities of his did you have to convince him, yes this is you?
[Mcewen:] Well I think that Chris was very unassuming and really not even the type of guy that would want to tell his stories outside of the fact that his teammates and everyone else express to me that this guys really was an amazing story and Chris got into it and started telling the different things that had take in place during his deployments and particularly in Fallujah and Ramadi where it was such a different time, not only for Chris but he SEALS and the marines such as Jeff, because it was really a mess. And these guys were dropped in to the middle of a firefight everyday. And they really were living everyday almost like a Normandy or Inujima or something to that nature because it was firefights that were constant, day after day after day. And I was amazed when I heard it and said, "Chris, I think this is historical, beyond the fact that you have the, you know, the most confirmed kills in United States' history. What you guys went through and what, you know, you lost with the lost of, you know, Ryan Job, you know, and Marc Lee should be told." And I think as far as history is concerned, this is our times, you know, battle of Normandy Beach or battle to take the mountain, you know, Suribachi or whatever else and I felt like it was that historical that I really try to get him to talk about it or even because of the fact that I felt it was something that really generations to come should know about this generation of war fighter that were patriots such as Chris and the rest of those who fought for this country. And I'm really happy that I was effective in finally getting him to do it and tell the story because the whole part of the coming home and the family think kind of came later. It started out first to be the story about his experiences with the men on the SEAL Team 3 Charlie and the others that he fought with from the marines and...
[Camerota:] Yeah.
[Mcewen:] ... I felt like it was very, very important that we got that down.
[Camerota:] Scott, Jeff, stick around if you would. General Marks, thank you so much for being on it and your service and expertise. Thank you.
[Marks:] My pleasure. Thanks guys.
[Cuomo:] All right, so we're talking about Chris Kyle and to who he was, so you got a better hand over that now. But what mattered to him, especially when he came home it is something that is also creating his movements of momentum. We're going to tell you what that was and why he cared so much.
[Bill Maher, Host, Real Time With Bill Maher:] Hurt Locker made 17 million because it was a little ambiguous and thoughtful, and this one is just American hero. He's a psychopath patriot, and we love him.
[Cuomo:] American Sniper glorifies war or simply shows one man's truth. You just heard talk show host Bill Maher slammed the movie was propaganda but he is not alone. So let's discuss the real deal here.
[Camerota:] We are joined again by Jeff Kyle, Chris Kyle's brother and Scott McEwan, co-author of American Sniper. We're also joined by Sean Parnell, U.S. Army Ranger, friend of Chris Kyle and New York Times Best-selling Author of Outlaw Platoon. Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. Jeff, are you surprise by some of the controversy and push back that the movie has had?
[J. Kyle:] No. Not at all. You know those people are always there is always going to be nice haters out there. It doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't matter if it's Chris or if it somebody else. They are always going to say something derogatory about somebody else. So, you know, we did what we did for them to be able to...
[Cuomo:] Right.
[J. Kyle:] ... talk their trash, so you're welcome.
[Cuomo:] So you go with the hate is going to hate and you give them that right by fighting for the freedom. Let me ask you a little bit different take on it. You're there over doing the mission. This is what you are told to do. Nobody asked you if you wanted do the mission once you volunteered. Nobody asked you to discuss the merits of the mission. Do you think that's a lost a little bit in this when people criticize the war of why we got in and how we did it, how long wind up putting the target on the fighting men and women for that criticism?
[Sean Parnell, Author, Outlaw Platoon:] Yeah, I think that's absolutely the case. I mean, if you watch American Sniper and you saw a political commentary on Iraq war or you saw, you know, a failed study on the intels surrounding a weapon of mass destruction that you are not seeing what most of American's warrior saw and that was in like a window into the heart of the Modern American war fighter, and it focuses on the struggle, not just on the battlefield but also at home which is critically important for Americans to understand what is like for veterans like Jeff and I and Chris to come on.
[Camerota:] Scott, do you think that this is a pro-war movie, an antiwar movie? What is the message?
[Mcewen:] Well, what I like about is the fact that you can't really tell. And it's just reality and that's what Clint, and Bradley, and Jason Hall did such a good job of this. You live it for what it is because as the truth, it tells the truth about the American experience and the soldier's experience. And I wouldn't categorize it as anything more than to say that if you're going to send our men and women to battle, in foreign lands, then you better expect that there is going to be casualties taken and you better give them the resources to fight and win the wars. And all I can say is that Chris and what Clint did with his story is to tell you, "This is what goes on." So America, we need to fight and defend this country. And if you're going to do it, then just be real about what happens when you do, do it and give our men and women the resources to win the battle.
[Cuomo:] And you have to be real...
[Mcewen:] And I believe that's what this movie does a great job of.
[Cuomo:] And you have to be real with perspective on it. I mean, Mar is he's doing what he does. He's going for a hyperbole there and to make some outrage. Psychopath is not just inaccurate but it certainly insensitive. So let's focus on Chris' own words. Part up the quote of what Chris have said that got him blowback and I want some context from it, from those who know him, OK? This is obviously about the number of kills, "The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place without savages out there taking American lives." Now, how can people take that? They can take that as you think all Iraqis are savages. You see, he's a bigot. Do you think that's a fair reckoning of the statement?
[J. Kyle:] No, no. You know, I mean, it doesn't matter where you're at or where you're in. Yes, our era, they were Iraqis or Afghanis, you know. So yes, you have to have a certain hate for those people because they're trying to kill you. If you don't have that certain hatred for them, you're not going to come home. Any other war, the Vietnam War, those men over there, they had a hatred for the Vietnamese and they had to. You know, that's just what we do.
[Parnell:] Yeah, exactly. And I don't think Chris was referring to the Iraqi people there.
[J. Kyle:] No.
[Parnell:] ... I think he was referring to the enemy that we face. And look, they are. I mean, when I was in Afghanistan, Jeff was deployed to Iraq, we fought against an enemy that throw grenades in the cradle of new born babies. We fought against an enemy that beheaded children, that stoned women to death. We fought against an enemy that didn't want women going to school or they didn't want women to be educated. We fought against an enemy that gulps the eyes out of little kids and knock their teeth out so that they will be more pleasurable in bed. This enemy is evil and the world is a better place without them. And Chris knew and understood that. The interesting thing about Chris is that he had the purest form of patriotism and love of country that I've ever seen in my entire life and it was contagious. And I think that we need more people like that in this nation.
[Cuomo:] Jeff, what message do you think your brother would have wanted to come out of the film?
[J. Kyle:] I think the message that everybody's received, it wasn't him in that movie. Every parent, every brother, every sister can put their sibling or their child in that position and see what they went through while they're in the country and then why they were who they were when they came home. You know, they weren't their little child anymore when they came home. War changes people. So I think this movie actually, it shows that, you know, it's not just Chris's story, it's every warrior out there that's ever been in combat that's been in country and then come home. It's all of us.
[Camerota:] Sean Parnell, Scott McEwen and Jeff Kyle, just great to meet you. Thank you so much for sharing...
[J. Kyle:] Thank you.
[Camerota:] ... your story of your brother with us. We really appreciate that.
[J. Kyle:] Thank you all.
[Camerota:] Well you might be surprise to know that this blockbuster film had played actually in Baghdad but not anymore. We'll tell you what went wrong, next.
[B. Cooper:] I had a woman and a kid 20 yards out, moving towards the convoy. Her arms aren't swinging and she carrying something. She's got grenade, she's got RPG Russian grenade, [inaudible] to the kid.
[Camerota:] American sniper not only causing some controversy at home but overseas as well because it seems like the one you just watch. The movie takes place in Iraq but after just a few heated showing, the film was pulled from the only theater showing it in Baghdad.
[Cuomo:] We're joining now by Liz Sly. She's the Beirut Bureau Chief for the Washington Post. And she wrote a column about the reaction to American sniper in Iraq and the government's response to it. She joins us now from Lebanon. Liz, we know that you would wanted to see the movie in Baghdad but you couldn't so tell us what happened.
[Liz Sly, Beirut Bureau Chief, The Washington Post:] I had arrived in Baghdad. A friend of mine told me it was playing at the mall there and I said, "Wow, let's go. I wanted to see the movie." I thought it would be fun to see it in Baghdad. We go there and found that it's just being pulled. So I went around and spoke to a number of Iraqis who had seen it, about their reactions and I interviewed them about the reaction in the movie theater but I did not actually see it myself.
[Camerota:] And Liz, what was their reaction to this movie? I mean, we understand that it got really heated, so what have they tell you?
[Sly:] One, showing of the movie in particular appeared to have got quite heated with some people in the front raw jumping up and shouting lies, lies at one particular point. And they wouldn't sit down. They were spoiling the film for everybody else. And then some security guards came and led them away. And it was very shortly after that that the movie was pulled. And I think it might have had something to do with it because people at the theater were clearly very concern but if they continue to show the movie, there could have been some violent reaction, perhaps retaliation, perhaps a terrorist act, something like that.
[Cuomo:] You wrote a scene of a child holding a grenade that we just actually played before we came in to this segment. That was a flash point. Why do you think people just don't believe that could have happen? What's the reaction?
[Sly:] I think people some people specifically told me that they had served in the military and an RPG would be too heavy for child to lift up. And that this was ever physically impossible and this played into a sense that the whole movie was conveying a misperception of the Iraq war, that it wasn't telling the truth from the Iraqi points of view. And they From the hold movie, the whole portrayal of Iraqis as terrorist, as savages, that kind of thing, very, very, offensive.
[Camerota:] It's not surprising Liz. I mean when you watch this movie, you know, it does show Chris Kyle fighting the enemy. And the enemy is depicted as everyone that he is seeing in his world their in theater as the Iraqis. I'm surprise that it even try to open in Baghdad, frankly.
[Sly:] But yes, I'm not surprise at all. The Iraq was an extremely complicated war, you had Sunnis fighting with the Americas, Sunnis fighting against the American. You had Shia fighting with the Americans, Shia fighting against the Americans. You had Sunni and Shia are fighting each other. So to portrait all Iraqis is just against the American not having contributed to talk to the efforts to bring peace to the country. I think that yeah, I think Turkey understand why they found it very offensive.
[Cuomo:] And yet, it does wind up being window into how the Iraqi people see the United States. I mean because from the U.S. prospective its U.S. were liberators. They went there to help remove [inaudible] and free a people. But has the evolution been there of common sentiment?
[Sly:] I think Iraqis had a much more nuances [inaudible] of American. Some of them did see the American as liberator. Saddam Hussein was the tyrant. But that awful bloodshed of the years that followed their evasion, the political mistake, the [inaudible] people that followed that. Iraqis no longer see the American as liberator. They see them as giant ordeal that they had live with and that they're glad to be rid of now. And I think a movie like this just plays into a perception among Iraqis that American never understood Iraq and perhaps never will.
[Camerota:] Liz Sly thanks so much for sharing the situation on the ground there. Nice to talk to you.
[Cuomo:] Now, we keep talking about all these different themes that the movie brings up. Some of them are obvious, some of them are not, and some of them we really haven't seen made manifest yet. For example testimony begins this week in a murder trial for Chris Kyle's alleged killer. How will the movie affect the outcome of the trial? Now the answer may not be what you think and we'll tell you why.
[Coumo:] The so called American Sniper trial begins this week. The defense says the trial needs to be move in order to be fare. So that's one question. The other is, will the movie help or hurt defended Eddie Ray Routh. Here is CNN Ed Lavandera with more.
[Ed Lavandera, Cnn Correspondent:] Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield brought Eddie Ray Routh to the Rough Creek Lodge and resort two years ago on a Saturday afternoon. Routh's mother had reach out to Kyle to help her son. She said the former marine was suffering from PDSD. Kyle and Littlefield took Routh out to this gun range so they could talk and bond. But instead police say Routh turn the gun on the two men who were trying to help him. Police says Routh left the scene in Kyle's pickup truck and drove to this sister's house right after the murders.
[Laura Blevins, Eddie Ray Routh's Sister:] Listen, my brother just came by here. He told me that he committed a murder.
[Unidentified Female:] Who did he say he had killed?
[Blevins:] He said that he killed two guys, they went out to shooting range. He's like he's all crazy, he's [inaudible] psychotic.
[Lavandera:] Routh is expected to deplete not guilty by reason of insanity in the murders of Kyle and Littlefield. Routh served four years in the marine including a tour of duty in Iraq and a humanitarian mission to help the victims of the devastating 2010 earthquake in Haiti. He reportedly made several visits to the V.A. hospital in Dallas and spent the two years before the murders in and out of treatment for mental issues. Journalist Laura Beil wrote indebted account of Eddie Ray Routh struggles in a book called "The Enemy Within". She said shortly before the murder Routh's mother turned to Kyle desperate for help.
[Jodi Routh, Eddie Ray Routh's Mother:] He'd been saying crazy things and doing crazy things that were out of character long before this.
[Lavandera:] Routh's trial will be held in Stephenville, Texas, the small town where Chris Kyle went to college in early 1990's, and where he entertained dreams of becoming a rodeo cowboy before he left out behind and join the navy. Routh's attorney asked the judge to delay the start of murder trial because of the intense publicity surrounding the release of American Sniper movie.
[Cooper:] I think what haunts me are all the guys that I couldn't save.
[Lavandera:] In the state of Texas proclaiming February 2nd as Chris Kyle day. The judge denied the request and now the work of picking the jury is underway. Ed Lavandera CNN Stephenville, Texas.
[Camerota:] Joining us now is Jeffrey Toobin, he's a CNN Senior Legal Analyst and Sunny Hostin also a CNN Legal Analyst. They are both former federal prosecutors. Great to see both of you. Sunny, let me start with you. I was surprise to hear that the judge announced that the jury pull anyone in it having seen the movie, American Sniper or read Chris Kyle's book. That's not a disqualifier, they could still serve as jurors. Is that unusual?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] Oh, you know, I think its necessary unusual. I mean you don't a want a juror that's been living under a rock, right? I mean this is a blockbuster film and so most people have seen it, I've seen it, I'm sure you've seen it. And so I don't think that's should automatically disqualifies them. And what you want is a juror to be able to have seen the movie and read the book and still be open-minded as to the evidence that's coming in. And I think our jurors work pretty good job of that.
[Cuomo:] And it's also Jeffrey, not unusual on a high profile trial, right? I mean to hear something like this, although, counterbalancing that this town where their holding the trial, for three straight weeks every showing of this movie was sold out. So that tells you something about the intensity of interest. But which way will that play out. What do you think of this?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Senior Legal Analyst:] Well, you know, I don't think it's a disqualifying factor. I understand why the judge didn't move the trial, didn't delay the trial. You know, most people don't follow the news as carefully as we do. So even though it's well this is a very familiar case, there have been lots of cases involving a lot of publicity. And by and large, you get jurors who even if they heard of the facts, they don't have a preconceive notion about what the verdict should be and that's the important thing.
[Camerota:] Sunny, one of the things their exploring is whether or not the alleged shooter was insane. He was hospitalized at a mental institution before the shooting. Does that prove the case that he was mentally unstable?
[Hostin:] Well, it doesn't necessarily prove that he was mentally unstable at the time of the shooting, right? But I've got to tell you, you know, insanity defenses are really successful. They're not put forth that much. But if ever there was an insanity defense that could work, I think this is that case, because you have the history of PTSD. You also have this movie and this book that really I think outlines the difficulties of reintegrating into society after seeing this kind of violence in war.
[Camerota:] That's interesting. So in what you're saying basically is that the movie could work through the alleged shooters advantage.
[Hostin:] I do think so. I think that we are, as a society, just more cognizant now of the real trauma that our soldiers experience. And I think PTSD given his history is a real viable option for the defense.
[Cuomo:] And certainly Kyle, Jeffrey Toobin, if not Mr. Littlefield was very invested in PTS and having people understand how bad it is and what it does, but what's on the other side of that analysis to why this guy may not get an insanity verdict.
[Toobin:] Well, jurors are very reluctant to cut anyone a break who admittedly did something deeply, deeply horrible and that's what's going on here. I mean we have someone who admitted killed two human beings and jurors understandably come to a case like that and they are not filled with sympathy. The paradox here of course is that the worse his behavior the more chance of an insanity defense, the more irrational, the more inexplicable. In here you also have the fact not just of the movie but of the V.A. scandals that have been going on...
[Cuomo:] Right.
[Toobin:] ... for the past few months, where a jury might be predisposed to say, "You know, the V.A. really screwed up here. They're the ones who should have kept this guy medicated, locked up protecting society...
[Cuomo:] The V.A. failed to admit him in this situation, is one of the allegations. But then again...
[Toobin:] That's right.
[Cuomo:] ... you can have PTS and not be insane. You know, most people who struggle with PTS don't kill people, don't do things violent, you know, most of their angers are directed inward.
[Hostin:] That's right. And I think that this is going to come down to sort of a battle of the experts. You know, I think that if the defense does its job which is to educate this jury on PTS and have the appropriate experts to discuss these issues. You know maybe you don't have to have seen combat or be in the combat to suffer from this. I really think they have a good chance at this insanity defense. And I truly say that because it's so rarely successful. But if ever there was a case that it could work, I think this is the one.
[Camerota:] Sunny Hostin, Jeffery Toobin, thank you so much for your expertise. American Sniper highlights the battle, our troops continue to fight when they come home, the battle as we've been talking about against posttraumatic stress. We're going to discuss this problem and some solutions with veteran war correspondent Bob Woodruff.
[B. Cooper:] The thing that haunts me are all the guys that I couldn't save. Now, I'm willing and able to be there but I'm not. I'm here. I quit.
[Unidentified Male:] Now you can walk down in the hall in this hospital. I got plenty of soldiers needs help. You want to take a walk.
[B. Cooper:] Sure.
[Cuomo:] That's the moment in American Sniper when Chris Kyle decides to dedicate his life to mentoring veteran, especially those suffering with posttraumatic stress. Now the film's popularity and the upcoming trial of the Iraq war vet accuse of killing Kyle and his friend has put PTS back in the spotlight.
[Camerota:] So let's talk about it and let's bring in the experts, Heidi Kraft is a former Navy Clinical Psychologist and Author of "Rule Number Two, Lessons I Learned in a Combat Hospital." Brandon Webb is a former Navy SEAL who helped train Chris Kyle. He is the author of "Among Heroes," and Bob Woodruff is an ABC News Anchor and Co-founder of the Bob Woodruff Foundation. He was hit be a road side bomb in 2006 while reporting on the Iraq war. It's great to have all of you here for this discussion. I want to start with you Brandon because you have a fascinating job. You were the head instructor in the Navy Seal Sniper Program that trained Chris Kyle. And I'm wondering, is there a particular personality type that lends itself to becoming a sniper?
[Brandon Webb, Former Navy Seal:] I think the guy that really excel as an sniper have an ability to really manage stress and make complex decisions under pressure and we look for those candidates. And like you and I were talking earlier before the segment, we put them in situations artificially induce very high level of stress to see who has and who doesn't.
[Camerota:] And do you think that that somehow is a buffer against PTS when they come home.
[Webb:] I think the Special Operations Community as a whole has a much lower rate of frequency of guys that don't deal with PTSD effectively and we just they show up to training and make it through because they have an ability to deal with adverse situations. And specially as a sniper, we look for those individuals who have those characteristics that can really deal with some terrible situations and be able to make these decisions very quickly and make complex calculations for win and lead and sometimes even the spin of the earth will factor into the shots at a longer distance.
[Camerota:] OK.
[Cuomo:] With functioning, dealing those two things, well very usually, are not coping. And Bob, you and I have known each other a long time. You have taken this very seriously for a long time. What have you seen in terms of whether you're a sniper or whether you're a cook, what happens for fighting men and women when they come back home and how it would affects their family? What have you seen?
[Bob Woodruff, Abc News Anchor:] A lot of this is what they saw, that they lived through, absolutely, what kind of trauma was it that trigger it off. And then this transition when you go from this a very different world of fighting on the war. We don't really know where are the so called enemies are, or where the weapons are. It kind of creates a stress and especially from a multiple deployments that all of ours that have served have gone through. But a lot of it depends on that transition, because they're going from a world where they get closed with their unit. They've got Everyday, they know pretty much what they're going to do then you come back in this gigantic world that's spread out. And a lot of times you don't know what to do. But I think most of us link back to the kind of trauma that you lived through and then suddenly, you know, in a brand new world as difficult to deal with.
[Camerota:] Heidi, in the movie, "America Sniper," it makes it seem as though Chris Kyle did come back with PTS and that he was depressed but then that he sort of found his calling by helping other soldiers who were suffering with PTS and is that realistic? Can you come home and recover from PTS and sort of put it behind you?
[Heidi Squier Kraft, Frmr. Navy Clinical Psychologist:] Absolutely. There is no doubt about that. We have treatment for all kinds of trauma both PTSD and everything on that continuum of symptoms that we know are very effective to help people. And for many of my patients and others who have gone through this kinds of situations helping others and feeling like they are able to give back to their community and other people who might be in similar situations, it's really helpful and it gives a great feeling of hope and looking forward and feeling like there is a greater sense of their being and what they're all about.
[Cuomo:] You have can versus do there, right? And then do has two different layers. The first is, are ready? Can you handle it? Do you want to admit it? Especially these types of men and women, who already feel like they've put too much on their families, little on add another layer of now, I still have things to [inaudible] you, went back home. And then it's whether the system takes care of them. Let's unpack that. How hard is it for someone to say, yeah, I can handle this, there's something I can't handle?
[Webb:] Well I don't think that's a problem but at to Heidi's point and to your point, I think that the national conversation around PTS is to change to one of more positive solution based approach. I hear lots of complaining about the Department of Veterans Affairs and I think that's why myself and a lot of fellow veterans really take matter into their own hands. We started the foundation like Bob's Foundation to really change the way that we set, a positive example to these transitioning veterans. We had a thing in the cyber program. We took our the way that we used to coach and teach from a very negative approach to a positive approach. And once we started changing the philosophy of the program, we saw a 3 percent of failure rate go down to less than 3 percent. So it's great.
[Cuomo:] And you've seen that too. You've seen that with the foundation. When you give the resources, when you make sure people know that there are people who are there for them, that they have network, what kind of changes is missing?
[Woodruff:] Well one of them I think, you know, as Heidi mentioned that sometimes it's difficult or you said that there is it's difficult for people sometimes to talk about it in the beginning, that has completely changed overtime. You know, that getting over this stigma, it was considered to be kind of unmanly to come back and say you've PTSD. I think we've also overtime looked at the PTSD differently but the fact, that I think all of us don't really call it PTSD anymore. We take off the D, it's not a disorder.
[Cuomo:] Get rid of the disorder.
[Woodruff:] They don't want it to be a disorder necessarily. And also it and it does really matter the kind of PTS you get when you're fighting in a war versus you've witnessed one of your friend's child died right here in New York or something. It's the same kind of PTS and I think that's one of the things that change overtime. In different ways, I think when we've seen in the beginning, we are really caring about those in ICU, those who were, you know, just injured and then we started help them when they go back to their community because nobody really no many veterans in their neighborhood because we got just about 1 percent of Americans are serving in this war compared to previous wars that we had. And now we're really looking at as you've said veterans helping veterans which is exactly what you're doing because those had been incredibly efficient and effective to do this. You know, service dogs and you get someone of these guys to come back and trained, service dogs to help others that's helping them too. I have a good friend of ours who's done the same thing and we've back and he just he's not even taking the drugs that he was taking before to deal with the PTS because now he's training these dogs to help some of his friends. So he's working well now, and it's getting better as time goes on.
[Camerota:] Heidi, the movie did a good job of also depicting just the trauma with the family back at home, goes through while they're worried about the soldier overseas. What help if there for them?
[Kraft:] There are certainly are many programs that are trying to reach out to our families but this is more difficult of course, because it's harder to know where they are at any given time. I think there is a greater understanding now when we talk about PTS or PTSD sort of how trauma can actually be spread across terrible and horrible things happening into someone you love as well. And that can still lead to those symptoms. So we are I think having a greater understanding now about all the people who might be involved in that soldier, marine, sailor, airman's experience and making sure that they are all sort of included when we talk about that picture. As a clinician, I certainly I'm always asking about the family. I want to know about everyone who might be affected by the experiences that my patient might have experienced.
[Cuomo:] And people who want to help also and that's why it's great to have people writing and being, you know, in clinical the way Heidi is and for you two gentlemen to work that you do with your organizations. And Bob, you know, I just loved what you do and that makes a difference because you're helping the right people. So thank you for helping us get the message out as well.
[Camerota:] It's great to hear about all the progress being made. Thank you so much for being here.
[Unidentified Male:] Thanks Thank you.
[Camerota:] Well some closing thoughts on "American Sniper", right after this break. American Sniper is the highest grossing war movie in U.S. history. Chris Kyle story has thoroughly struck cord with millions of people. Some call it war propaganda, others believe the film is patriotic not political and it serves to celebrate the bravery of our men and women in uniform.
[Cuomo:] And yet the movie itself probably isn't what matter most, it's what remains, the families, the missing moms and dads, sons and daughters and the battles that continue when they come home especially the plague of PTS. So if you want you can forget the politics of the film but please do not forget what matters the most, helping our troops. And thank you for watching. CNN Tonight with Don Lemon begins right now.

[Brianna Keilar, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Wolf, they are feeling better today than yesterday, and they were feeling better yesterday than they were the day before. The White House officials I've spoken with are optimistic, not that they have the votes at this point, but that momentum is on their side. They think it's so key that they got this full-throated response and support from Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner today. Not just them, but as well the number two Republican in the House, Eric Cantor. And when they add that up with the tentative support that they got from those key Republican senators yesterday, Lindsay Graham and John McCain, they feel like this extraordinary level of outreach that they've seen from President Obama and the White House and his administration, that it is working. But as we said, it's still unclear whether the votes are where they need to be at this point. There's still a lot of winning over to do and the White House says that they realize that. Officials say that the president is prepared to be engaged in this as he heads overseas. He heads to Sweden this evening and he goes on to Russia for the G-20 through the end of the week. And then there's still the question of, if he does not get the vote that he wants from Congress, what does he do? Well, officials here say that he has the authority to act alone but, Wolf, they're still not saying that he'll go ahead and do that.
[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] And he certainly hopes that will not be the case, that he will have the votes in the Senate and the House. All right, Brianna, stand by. Dana, stand by as well. We're less than a half an hour away from the start of the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The secretaries of state and defense getting ready to testify, as is the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey. I want to send it over now to our chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour. She's in London. She's joining us now. Christiane, you have an exclusive interview with the Syrian ambassador to the United Nations.
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] Thank you. And yes, indeed, Wolf, Syria's ambassador to the U.N. It does fall to Bashar Ja'afari to speak for the government of Bashar Assad on the world stage. And from the earliest days of his government's brutal crackdown, Mr. Ja'afari has defended that government's actions. Now the usually
[Bashar Ja-afari, Syrian Ambassador To The United Nations:] Thank you very much for having me.
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ambassador, you just heard what Wolf has been talking to with the congressional and White House correspondents. That is a formidable array of diplomatic and political power and military power that's arrayed now against Syria. You see who's going to be testifying today later right after our interview, military, the secretary of state, the secretary of defense. Is your government fully aware of how vulnerable it is to the might of the United States and its allies? Are you prepared and are you aware that many of your significant military facilities are possibly going to be destroyed?
[Ja'afari:] Well, first of all, give please give me some minutes to clarify some very important points. Number one, I'm a diplomat and my main job and mission is to extinguish fires, not to trigger wars and animosity among nations, supposedly sovereign, and members of this big home called the United Nations. Number two, the issue is not related to a war against Syria. It's about an aggression, according to the charter item four of article two of the charter, member states should refrain from any unilateral action or any aggression against any other member states. So the issue for us is not about a military strike coming from here or there, it's about an aggression that will strike the whole Syrian people. And I hope that these wars would be extremely important for the congressional leaders and the Congress members who are discussing in their hearings the whether the they will allow the White House to strike or not. We are all in Syria now a victim
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] We are all victims of any escalation of the situation. You cannot save childrens by killing childrens and civilians.
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari, so what will the how will it affect the morale of your government if and when the U.S. takes this action and a lot of your military facilities will be destroyed? They're not saying they're going in as an invading force, but you've seen these actions in the past, you've seen it in other places, cruise missiles, other strikes, they can be devastating. Are you afraid of defections of the government and its allies sort of collapsing?
[Ja'afari:] We are not war mongers. We are not war advocates. We are a peaceful nation, a small nation, and we don't pretend to be equally strong enough to confront the United States military. This is not the case. We are a victim of any aggression that might happen at any time. We are mainly a keen interest in safeguarding our the interests of our people and preventing any aggression. We have been calling on the American administration for years, since the beginning of the crisis, to get involved, positively speaking, in resolving this crisis, which is dramatic and regretful regrettable. But, unfortunately
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] The American administration closed its embassy in Damascus, shut down all channels, diplomatic channels, and worked out a secret strategy to help the insurgents and the
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari, you are portraying your government as the victim. Presumably that's your job at this point. But, obviously, what's happening is, because of the aggression by your government against Syrians, including, right now, the use of chemical weapons. There is a forensic Syrian chemical weapons expert who has defected, according to the opposition, and is now in Turkey and will, he says, make public what he knows about the regime's involvement in the use of chemical weapons. That is going to seal this situation, isn't it?
[Ja'afari:] Christiane, these allegations are false and unfounded. You can repeat the same mistakes that the previous American administrations did at many times during Vietnam War or during the Cuban crisis or the Iraqi War with Colin Powell and the Security Council presenting high confidence, evidence, as he said at that time. By the way, he used the same description used by Mr. Kerry three days ago, when Mr. Kerry said, also, high he had high evidences high confidence evidences. So any opponent in any opposition could come could come out to the media or to any other intelligence sponsoring him and say that his government did this and that. You may remember what Mr. Anchelibi, the Iraqi guard, did before the invasion of Iraq when he pushed the American intelligence towards the hypothesis of Iraq having chemical weapons also and weapons of mass destruction.
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari. Mr. Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] Then everybody apologized later on, including Mr. Colin Powell, for this allegation. I'm really afraid that we are repeating the same tragic and regrettable scenario in the case of Syria todays. The Syrian government when
[Amanpour:] Now the problem the problem with what you're saying though the problem with what you're saying is that you are confusing Iraq and Syria. Syria does have chemical weapons and many, many doctors and independent investigators, as well as national intelligence, have concluded that those weapons have been used and have been used by the Syrian government. And this is not the first time on August 21st. There's been many occasions and there have been many tests of victims of biomedical tests, you know, hair and blood and urine samples, which have proven it. Are you saying that there are no chemical weapons in Syria, or are you just saying that you didn't do it?
[Ja'afari:] Thank you very much for asking this very important question. Number one, the Syrian government did not say that the sarin gas was not used in
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] So then the Russians
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari
[Ja'afari:] The Russians then said
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari, the British, the French, the United States sir, the British, the French, the United States all say that chemical weapons have been used, as you say, but that they have been used by your government because the opposition does simply not have access to the delivery systems, to the wherewithal, to the stockpiles. And it kind of begs belief, sir, and this is unfortunately a historical precedent, to think that people are gassing themselves. So this is a major problem with your argument. And it does sound, right now, that the Syrian government is pretty afraid. All of a sudden, all of you are out giving interviews. The President Assad to Le Figaro. You are talking to me. Others are talking to, you know, to other journalists. I'm trying to figure out, you believe, don't you, that there is going to be a major U.S. strike on your military facilities?
[Ja'afari:] Christiane, the reports emanating from USA, France and Britain are not and could not be taken seriously and they are not credible because these three governments are deeply involved in the Syrian crisis in helping the under groups against the government.
[Amanpour:] Sir sir sir
[Ja'afari:] So the Russians
[Amanpour:] Nobody can take seriously
[Ja'afari:] Give me some
[Amanpour:] Sir, nobody takes seriously the idea
[Ja'afari:] Give me some time, please, to clarify my point. The Russians submitted that report of 80 pages to the Security Council.
[Amanpour:] You've made your point on that. You've made your point.
[Ja'afari:] The judge
[Amanpour:] So if indeed the if
[Ja'afari:] What would be the result of the investigation investigative team.
[Amanpour:] Well, they seem to say they have taken a lot of samples. And as I say, yet again, sorry to keep repeating myself, but there have been many, many tests done over the last year or so because you haven't used them just once, you've used them several times, according to intelligence and according to opposition figures. So, again, if indeed, given what's going on, would you would Syria agree to a proposal that's happening and being floated right now, to allow the U.N. or others to come in and simply remove all your stock piles, all chemical weapons from Syria?
[Ja'afari:] This is this is not the issue right now. The issue right now is about preventing the American aggression against my country. Then any related issues to the weapons of mass destruction could be examined seriously later on. I would like to remind you that Syria, when it was a member of the Security Council in 2003, submitted a draft resolution to the Security Council on the establishment of a zone free from all weapons of mass destruction and we were objected to at that time by the American delegation. So we are keen interest in having all weapons of mass destruction out of the area of the militaries, including the Israeli nuclear armament, which is the most dangerous weapon of mass destruction.
[Amanpour:] OK. All right, let me ask you this, sir. Nobody believes you basically because everything you've said not just you, but I mean your government, and you speak you're your government, everything you've said over the last two and a half years have simply been, you know, swatted away by the facts. You have simply escalated this war and the use of different weapons, conventional and now nonconventional, and so you are in a very, very weak situation in terms of having the credibility on your side. You're trying to say that it's the others who are using them and not you. Can I ask you, because there are countries which favor you, such as Russia, China, the others, are you getting military or intelligence help from the Russians?
[Ja'afari:] Christiane, I'm really
[Amanpour:] In terms of what's going on now.
[Ja'afari:] I'm really worried at hearing these bellicose talks in the American media. The media is a very important weapon of mass destruction also. So you, the media, whether in America or outside
[Amanpour:] I don't think you can say that.
[Ja'afari:] You should lead the public opinion towards the right path. We don't need wars or aggression in the area. We are fed up with wars. The American people are fed up with wars. You have you have had thousands of American soldiers killed in our area, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, elsewhere, in Lebanon. We don't need wars. We need peaceful settlement of conflicts according to the charter of the United Nations. Why being war mongers?
[Amanpour:] All right, Mr. Ja'afari, the problem is you're prosecuting this war. You're prosecuting this war and the way you have put it out is that you are fighting against terrorists. That is your government's position. And so that's how you've been
[Ja'afari:] Absolutely. Absolutely.
[Amanpour:] That's how you've been justifying it. But here's the thing. Even your Arab brethren, even the Arab League, has said that the use of chemical weapons is obviously illegal and those who use them, and they also believe that it has been the Syrian government, they kicked you out of the Arab League, those who use them should be tried like war criminals. I guess I want to know in our
[Ja'afari:] The Arab League
[Amanpour:] In our final in our final minute or so, how do you sleep at night, Mr. Ja'afari, defending a regime, a government, that has caused so much bloodshed and that has really crossed the line from any kind of civil war into weapons of mass destruction, into one of the highest crimes of international law? How do you personally sleep at night?
[Ja'afari:] I believe that the use of chemical weapons or biological weapons, or nuclear weapons is a horrible, appalling crime. And those who perpendicular such a horrible crime, whether they are Israelis or others, should be held accountable through the internationally established mechanisms, not through the bully of the war, the policemen of the war represented by the American intelligence reports or false allegations coming from France or Britain or Saudi Arabia or Israel. We are in favor of a peaceful settlement of all the conflicts in the area. And my country has been a victim of intrusion, interference in its domestic affairs by foreign intelligences. Mainly speaking, don't forget that there is room of operation in Jordan right now operating by the Saudis and the Pentagon and where they are training and instructing thousands of Syrian mercenaries and foreign mercenaries to invade Syria from the south. And the same thing exists in the north within the Turkish territory. So, please, we have to look at the picture in its entirety and its comprehensiveness. We are not training for wars or for agressing anybody else. We haven't declared war to the United States or to any of our neighbors.
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] All what you have said is that, yes, we do have a domestic crisis. Yes, wrong doings happened in the past. Yes, injustices took place in Syria in the past. We need to correct this and we believe in what Obama said as his logo in the elections, that change, yes, we can. And yes we need in Syria itself, as well as outside of Syria. The whole area needs peace. We don't need further wars. We don't need further destabilization. After all, all these bloodshed, that would happen sooner or later. All the victims will be innocence, whether they are American
[Amanpour:] Mr. Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] Syrians, Iranians, Turkish and Saudis or Jordanians. Our our own
[Amanpour:] Ambassador Ja'afari.
[Ja'afari:] Sons will be the victims.
[Amanpour:] Ambassador Ja'afari, thank you for joining me.
[Ja'afari:] Thank you.
[Blitzer:] And, Christiane, thanks very much. Christiane Amanpour with a very, very provocative, shall we say, interview with the Syrian ambassador to the United Nations. Christiane, I just want to pick your brain for a second before I let you go. What did you think? It's not often we hear a Syrian official, a high ranking Syrian official, this official the envoy from the government of President Bashar al-Assad to the United Nations, making their case. Give me your reaction because you had, obviously, a very forceful, tough interview with the ambassador.
[Amanpour:] Well, it's to be expected. He's obviously defending his government. They obviously don't want to be struck by the United States. It is, obviously, going to be something whereas, as I tried to get out of him, will degrade their military facilities, at least many of them, even if it's not an invasion, which nobody's planning. But it will affect their military capabilities, at least according to a lot of the commanders and the politicians who are talking about it. I think also what's really interesting is that they are now, quoteunquote, what you're saying, flooding the zone. It's very hard, as you know, to get the Syrian government to talk. And they only do when they want to or when they need to. So they believe something is going to happen and they're trying to put their spin on what is going to happen. I'm sure Mr. Ja'afari won't argue with that use of that word because he is now having to, you know, talk the party line. I think what's interesting though is, you know, they fail to realize how they brought this on themselves. I mean it couldn't be clearer that neither President Obama, nor President Hollande, nor Prime Minister Cameron, nor any of the international community wanted to intervene in Syria. For two and a half years they have not. And yet it is the Syrian regime with these accusations and what most people believe is their use of chemical weapons, not once, but several times, that has brought the international community to this point where we are right now, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] A very, very sensitive moment, not only in regional history, in world history right now. We're standing by for an important hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Christiane, thanks very much. We'll be talking to you throughout the day here on CNN and CNN International. We're standing by. We'll go to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. We're going to hear the secretaries of state and defense, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, they're getting ready to testify before Republicans and Democrats. A critical vote coming up maybe as early as next week on the floors of the Senate and the House of Representatives after President Obama urged them to authorize the use of military force in Syria. We'll also get immediate reaction to what's going on, including Christiane's exclusive interview with the Syrian ambassador. The former Republican presidential candidate, the former congressman, Ron Paul, he'll join us live. Also, we'll get a different perspective from another congressman, Mike Quigley, a Democrat of Illinois. Much more of our special coverage coming up right here in THE SITUATION ROOM.

[Costello:] Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for being with me. Let's take a look the top stories this morning. In just about 30 minutes past the hour. Senate negotiators are expected to announce the deal today on an immigration reform bill. That bill would increase border security. As CNN first reported, the plan would then double the number of patrol officers from the current level of 21,000 and it would also include 700 miles of fencing. Fans from his home state of New Jersey and elsewhere are mourning the loss of James Gandolfini. The 51-year-old actor, best known for his TV role as mob boss Tony Soprano died of a possible heart attack in Rome. Italian officials are waiting for a death certificate to be issued before his remains can be returned to the United States. Gandolfini is survived by his wife and two children. More questions are being asked this morning after an FBI's director admitted his agency has used drones over American soil. Robert Mueller did not say how many drones his agency has or how many times they've been used, but a law enforcement source says more than a dozen unmanned drones have taken place. It sounds like a futuristic plot, but it's what's happening. Two men have been arrested in New York charged with building a device loosely described as a radiation gun. Authorities say they were playing this target enemies of Israel using lethal x-rays.
[Unidentified Male:] It would be capable of inflicting death on humans if used in the fashion in which it was designed. It was designed to be mobile. It was designed to have a remote power source, and the defendants, it's alleged, constructed a particular mechanism to turn it on remotely and turn it off remotely so they would not be in the area when this device would be turned on and directed towards specific targets.
[Costello:] The men have been charged with conspiracy to provide support for a use of weaponry of mass destruction. U.S. markets are still dropping after the Fed Chair Ben Bernanke's comments yesterday. Joining me now from New York is Christine Roman. Are the markets looking better?
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[Cnn. Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] We're keeping a close eye on the live trial. You see George Zimmerman sitting there. We understand the jury is being brought back from their lunch break. The defense attorneys, Zimmerman's defense attorneys, they brought earlier today a forensic pathologist who will be taking the stand, continuing his testimony. He has expertise in gunshot wounds. This is Dr. Vincent Di Maio. He says his analysis of the autopsy photos as well as the firearms report backs up Zimmerman's side of the story. He says he believes it was Trayvon Martin who was on top of Zimmerman after that fight, leaning forward and threatening him. I want you to listen to this from earlier this morning.
[Dr. Vincent Di Maio, Forensic Pathologist:] If you lean over somebody, you will notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. If, instead, you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you, the clothing is going to be against your chest. So the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting and that the clothing is two to four inches away from the person firing.
[Malveaux:] I want to bring in our legal analysts to talk about what we've heard this morning, former prosecutor, Sunny Hostin, and criminal defense attorney, Mark Nejame, in Sanford, Florida. Sunny, I want to start off with you because we've been watching all morning and hearing about the prosecution had his head in his hands and was shaking his hands like this was really damning for their case. First of all, is that true? Do you think that's the way the prosecution took his testimony? And secondly, how are the jurors responding to this?
[Sunny Hostin, Cnn Legal Analyst:] I was in the courtroom and I didn't see the prosecutor's head in his hands. I didn't see that at all and I was looking at the table. The government prosecutors have been writing notes. I did see Bernie de la Rionda sort of scratch his head, but I didn't see despair from that side of the table at all. The jury is riveted. He had them at "hello." Suzanne, he had them at "hello."
[Malveaux:] All right. We're going to get back to you. He had them at "hello." Let's see what he's got after "hello."
[Di Maio:] OK.
[Bernie De La Rionda, Prosecutor:] We also share another thing in common.
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You're not saying who attacked who, whether it was George Zimmerman who attacked Trayvon Martin or Trayvon Martin who attacked George Zimmerman? You can't say to that, correct?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You can't testify as to who threw the first punch thrown?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] In fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You can't say whether it was Trayvon Martin defending himself or George Zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You're really testimony is only focusing on at the time of the actual shot, correct? Would that be accurate?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] OK. And you're not stating here, are you, that everything George Zimmerman stated at the statement you saw, the reenactment is the complete gospel truth?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir. I'm just stating the nature of the gunshot wound being consistent with his account of how he shot, right.
[De La Rionda:] Were you aware, sir, that the defendant had given one, two, three, I believe at least four, maybe five statements prior to that one?
[Di Maio:] I believe you had mentioned that to me, sir.
[De La Rionda:] I think I mentioned that in your deposition, right?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] Is there a reason why you only focused on the reenactment as opposed to the original statement that he gave?
[Di Maio:] Well, because I know what the reenactment said and he's holding to that account. What I'm saying is that what I did was I evaluated the objective evidence in regards to the account that's being presented here.
[De La Rionda:] I apologize. Were you finished?
[Di Maio:] No, no. That's fine.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Let me know if I interrupt. I apologize. I also told the court reporter that I would be slow. If you can do the same thing, she needs to get everything down. When we're talking to each other, make sure we don't talk over each other.
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] Am I correct in stating that you believe that the first statement is the most accurate statement?
[Di Maio:] The first statement is usually more accurate than when given weeks or months later?
[De La Rionda:] OK.
[Di Maio:] Because you get that in depositions, you know.
[De La Rionda:] I got you. You mentioned your prior experience with the medical examiner, you were head of the medical examiner's office in that beautiful city, San Antonio.
[Di Maio:] That's correct.
[De La Rionda:] In fact, when you go to the Alamo right near there, you can go down and go actually to the water. You go down, what, about I don't know how deep, how far you go down. You go down somewhat.
[Di Maio:] It's about two levels down, you're on the river walk, right.
[De La Rionda:] You mentioned when you worked there for 15, 20 years?
[Di Maio:] 25 years and 10 months.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Didn't mean to cut it short. You mentioned, as a medical examiner, it was important for you, was it not, before you render an opinion, to make sure you understood all the facts, correct?
[Di Maio:] Depends upon the case. Some cases you want more information. Some cases, it's not necessary. It depends on everything is personal.
[De La Rionda:] I guess what I'm saying is when police bring you a case, the medical examiner, and obviously they bring you the body
[Di Maio:] Right.
[De La Rionda:] and you're start doing the autopsy, you want to know what all the witnesses say. You don't want to pick one witness and say, OK, what did you say. You would want to know what everybody else said to make sure it was consistent with the evidence you saw, correct?
[Di Maio:] In most cases, yes.
[De La Rionda:] In this particular case, you just focused on the defendant's statement and I believe you said Mr. Good's statement, correct?
[Di Maio:] I focused on the defendant's statement because that's as you pointed out earlier in your cross-examination, that's all that I'm concentrating on. I went to see if his statement was consistent with what I found and what was found as to the gunshot wounds? The rest I can't say.
[De La Rionda:] Right, because you weren't provided with all the other statements of all the other witnesses, correct?
[Di Maio:] But, again, I couldn't say I would have to disregard them in regards to the gunshot.
[De La Rionda:] OK.
[Di Maio:] Because the only one present there is Mr. Zimmerman. You have to go by what he's saying.
[De La Rionda:] I respectfully beg to differ with you. There was another person there, wasn't there?
[Di Maio:] There were a couple other witnesses.
[De La Rionda:] No, I mean respectfully the other person there is not among us anymore?
[Di Maio:] Right. Because he's the only one communicates. That's correct.
[De La Rionda:] He can't speak because he's dead?
[Di Maio:] Yeah.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Were you aware, by the way, that the deceased, the victim in this case, Trayvon Martin, was on the phone with a lady?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You didn't review her statement, did you?
[Di Maio:] No, sir.
[De La Rionda:] When you worked with the medical examiner's office as the chief medical examiner, you, in most cases, attempted to find out all the information before you came to an opinion?
[Di Maio:] It depends on what the case is about. Often the information from the witnesses goes more towards the manner of death rather than the cause of death. In this case, there's no question of the manner of death.
[De La Rionda:] So are you suggesting that in all the witnesses' testimony should be disregarded?
[Di Maio:] For my purpose, not for the jury, but for my purposes, it's not important in my giving my opinion.
[De La Rionda:] In terms of your limited opinion in terms of the gunshot wound itself in terms of how it possibly could have occurred?
[Di Maio:] Right.
[De La Rionda:] Is that correct?
[Di Maio:] Right. The other statements are for the jury to evaluate, not for me.
[De La Rionda:] OK. You're not saying that we should just disregard what led up to this, whether somebody was following or whether somebody was attacked? You're not saying that should be disregarded?
[Di Maio:] That's not- right. That's not what I'm doing. The rest of that is the jury. That's why they're sitting there.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Ok.
[Di Maio:] Right.
[De La Rionda:] I didn't mean to imply that you were saying that. I want to make sure the record was clear.
[Di Maio:] Oh, no, no. It's no problem.
[De La Rionda:] Mr. West asked you a few what we refer to as hypotheticals, what if, assuming this fact and in order to give an opinion when somebody gives you a hypothetical, it has to be based on facts that are accurate and truthful, correct?
[Di Maio:] A hypothetical doesn't have to be true.
[De La Rionda:] Oh, OK.
[Di Maio:] A hypothetical is just supposed this and this happened.
[De La Rionda:] OK, so we would be speculating or potentially speculating?
[Di Maio:] It's not even speculating. You're giving a presentation and asking what is this. It doesn't even get to the speculating.
[De La Rionda:] OK. And you would agree that at least in the one statement that you relied that I think was either the fourth or fifth statement that Mr. Zimmerman had given, the reenactment, that Mr. Zimmerman has a self-interest, correct, when talking to the police?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] One could even argue he has a bias in not telling the truth?
[Di Maio:] One could argue that. I think that's your argument.
[De La Rionda:] You would also agree that if his statement doesn't match the evidence, then it's not the truth, correct?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] I guess in your what you reviewed, you're aware, were you not, that the only person armed out there was George Zimmerman and not Trayvon Martin?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Were you aware that he wasn't just armed with a firearm but that he was armed with a flashlight?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir. Actually, there's a photograph of the flashlight in the scene photos.
[De La Rionda:] May I approach to the witness, Your Honor? This right here?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] Can this do some damage to somebody?
[Di Maio:] Yes. I thought it was one of those old, steel heavy things. I wouldn't consider it a really dangerous weapon.
[De La Rionda:] You think it wouldn't cause bruising like that, real hard, and it wouldn't cause any bruising?
[Di Maio:] I think it might cause a bruise but it's just not heavy enough to
[De La Rionda:] OK.
[Di Maio:] to be of significance.
[De La Rionda:] You were not provided with the statement of Jane Syderka, who described George Zimmerman on top of the Trayvon Martin before the shooting?
[Di Maio:] I was not provided with that statement, that's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You were not provided with the statement of Saleen, were you?
[Di Maio:] No, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You mentioned you were provided with the statement of John Good. I think you stated originally an audio recorded statement and a written statement he gave, correct?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] Were you aware he gave also an additional sworn statement in which he describes not hearing this at all?
[Di Maio:] No, sir. I don't think so.
[De La Rionda:] Were you aware under oath that he stated he did not hear any
[Di Maio:] No, sir.
[De La Rionda:] I want to go back a little bit about your C.V. and your qualifications that Mr. West talked about in terms of where you've been and that kind of stuff. You mentioned that I was curious. You mentioned something about shooting animals. Are we saying this experiment was done while the animal was alive?
[Di Maio:] Following federal regulations, yes. What you have to do is the animals have to be kept in a federally approved area and then a veterinarian has to be present at the time of the experiments and the animals have to be anesthetized.
[De La Rionda:] So then you You started shooting at them? Or how many shots how many times were they shot?
[Di Maio:] I have to read the paper originally. But it was a test to determine whether the testing method used by firearms examiners was valid.
[De La Rionda:] You determined it was, correct?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir. It was.
[De La Rionda:] You also mentioned that you testified all over the world really, I guess, or part of the world?
[Di Maio:] A couple of places.
[De La Rionda:] You testified in criminal matters both for the government or the state and also for the defense, correct?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] In fact, you were asked about several cases you testified on behalf of. I think you testified in the you were nice enough to send me and Mr. West your list of your cases at least within the last five years since you've been in private practice. Is it seven years?
[Di Maio:] Six, going on seven now.
[De La Rionda:] OK. I think you said over 50 times or so, or do you recall the number?
[Di Maio:] I don't think I said a number I've testified. As I've pointed out, most of them are civil cases.
[De La Rionda:] I think one of them you mentioned was the Drew Peterson case, right?
[Di Maio:] That was a criminal case, yes.
[De La Rionda:] Also, the Spector case, right?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] In both of those cases, you testified for the defense.
[Di Maio:] Yes.
[De La Rionda:] By the way, how much are you getting paid to come and testify here today?
[Di Maio:] Same thing I charge everybody, $400 an hour.
[De La Rionda:] OK. How much total would that be, you've charged so far? I know you have to take a trip back. But
[Di Maio:] Up to yesterday, $2400. This is not exactly a complicated case forensically.
[De La Rionda:] OK. You mentioned that I think you brought your notes with you, correct?
[Di Maio:] Yes.
[De La Rionda:] I guess most experts have their notes just if something is asked what do you do it for, to refresh your memory?
[Di Maio:] No. Because if you get a whole bunch of papers and you are only interested in one fact, it's easier to put the fact down. That's all.
[De La Rionda:] So they're like little cheat notes. I'm not saying anything improper.
[Di Maio:] No. I know what you mean.
[De La Rionda:] Like little bullet type things so you would be able to answer something or
[Di Maio:] Right, bullets.
[De La Rionda:] I think you prepared a five or six page of notes that you provided to me this morning and to Mr. West?
[Di Maio:] Yeah, five pages. Well, it's five pages but it's double space, double sized, so it's probably closer to 10 or eight, something like that.
[De La Rionda:] I think you also mentioned as part of your review of this case obviously, you couldn't be there when the autopsy was done so you reviewed the autopsy report, correct?
[Di Maio:] Yes.
[De La Rionda:] Your opinion is in part derived from reviewing Dr. Bao's medical examiner report?
[Di Maio:] That's correct.
[De La Rionda:] In terms of the photographs that were taken but in terms the findings, shot to the heart, correct?
[Di Maio:] Right, sir.
[De La Rionda:] There's no dispute about that. The victim in this case, Trayvon Martin, was shot in the heart?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] Did I understand you correctly that if you came over here and you pulled my heart out that I could sit there and walk and talk for, how long?
[Di Maio:] 10 to 15 seconds, yes.
[De La Rionda:] OK. If you pulled my heart out now I could keep talking and just keep talking and talking and talking for and just talking and talking and talking without a heart?
[Di Maio:] That's right.
[De La Rionda:] About 15 seconds or so?
[Di Maio:] Right. That's between 10 and 15 seconds dependent on oxygen supply to the head. That is why some of the SWAT people will prefer shooting somebody in the head if it is a situation where the person has like a gun on somebody else. OK.
[De La Rionda:] Even though my heart is gone, I would still feel pain or would I not?
[Di Maio:] Yeah. You would still feel pain.
[De La Rionda:] I think you stated that in this case you believe it was 12 to 15 or, what did you say, 10 to 15 seconds or 5 to
[Di Maio:] No. What I said is I can't say.
[De La Rionda:] OK.
[Di Maio:] All I can say is that the minimum amount of time would be between 10 and 15 seconds.
[De La Rionda:] You said the maximum would be up to three minutes? Did I get that right?
[Di Maio:] I said that in all medical probability, the individual would have no cardiac function after I said one to three minutes. So three minutes is the outside.
[De La Rionda:] And by the way, you are not here to testify as to, while this was going on, who was yelling for help, whether it was the victim or George Zimmerman? You can't say, right?
[Di Maio:] No, sir. I am not testifying to that.
[De La Rionda:] You can't testify as to one of the statements that George Zimmerman said where he said he pulled the gun from his holster and shot. You can't say that that happened that way, correct?
[Di Maio:] You mean that he pulled the gun out of the holster?
[De La Rionda:] Yes, sir.
[Di Maio:] Right. I can just say that the entries are consistent with how he shot him but not where he got the gun from.
[De La Rionda:] Right. In terms of the shot being to the chest?
[Di Maio:] Right.
[De La Rionda:] But in terms of how he claims that he grabbed the gun while the other person is kneeling over him or straddling him, how he managed to somehow get the gun out and shoot the other person, you can't say that happened that way or not?
[Di Maio:] No. Because because you can't tell that by any scientific method.
[De La Rionda:] But George Zimmerman said it happened that way. That doesn't mean it is true, right?
[Di Maio:] As I said, sir, I can't testify to it, so that's it.
[De La Rionda:] What happens if it was just physically impossible to do what he said happened?
[Di Maio:] I would say it.
[De La Rionda:] But you didn't get a chance to review that and you are not here to testify about whether he took the gun out of the holster the way he did or not?
[Di Maio:] Right. Because it is outside my ability to make a conclusion like that.
[De La Rionda:] OK. You are here focusing on the gun and how close it was to the skin or to the sweatshirt, correct?
[Di Maio:] That's correct.
[De La Rionda:] That is the bottom line.
[Di Maio:] In regards to Mr. Martin, that is, yes.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Is it not true, sir, that one possibility, as you stated, is Mr. Martin was over George Zimmerman, the defendant, and he was like this, right? George Zimmerman was on the ground and Mr. Martin is like this on top of him.
[Di Maio:] Some way over him. I don't know what angle it is.
[De La Rionda:] Is it this angle?
[Di Maio:] I can't tell you. The reason is is because if you put your hand out, since it rotates, if someone was over horizontally, you could shoot that way. If they are at an angle, you could shoot that way, and you could still get the path. All I can say is consistent with him being over.
[De La Rionda:] It can be consistent that they were facing each other standing up.
[Malveaux:] Dr. Vincent Di Maio being cross-examined by the prosecution. We are going to take a quick break and then we'll bring it right back to you on the other side. Let's go back live into the courtroom. Dr. Vincent Di Maio is still on the stand on the cross.
[Di Maio:] the back of the head with the tree branch.
[De La Rionda:] Or as you he bumped into it?
[Di Maio:] Where? The face or the back of the head?
[De La Rionda:] Either one.
[Di Maio:] The problem with tree branches are if you hit it in the face, they're rough and you would expect an abrasion.
[De La Rionda:] Didn't he have an abrasion on the face?
[Di Maio:] No. He doesn't have abrasions.
[De La Rionda:] What did he have on the
[Di Maio:] That is a contusion. The skin, if the skin is smooth and shiny. An abrasion is a scrape.
[De La Rionda:] Did he have any abrasions at all?
[Di Maio:] Yes, he did. He had
[De La Rionda:] No, no. Finish, please. I interrupted you.
[Di Maio:] He had a small abrasion on the right side of the nose. And then he had impact-type abrasions on the right area of the temple, the left temple. And on the back, he had the two lacerations.
[De La Rionda:] I am struggling with you, we're wrestling and all that, and I push you and you hit the tree, couldn't that happen that way?
[Di Maio:] From the front?
[De La Rionda:] From the back, whatever.
[Di Maio:] Well, you would have to have a tree branch there, and I didn't see any.
[De La Rionda:] You didn't?
[Di Maio:] But wait a minute. The other thing is if you just bump your head wood gives. Originally, police officers carried wooden batons. The reason they carried the wooden batons is they are much less dangerous than metal things. Metal doesn't give. Wood gives. If you hit someone hard enough on the back of the head, yes, you are going to get a laceration.
[De La Rionda:] I try to simplify things as best as I can, and when it comes to medical stuff do you do any gardening?
[Di Maio:] My wife does.
[De La Rionda:] I do gardening. I have a bald head. If I don't wear a ball cap sometimes I come up and I'll hit my head and there will be a bruise or something. branches. Isn't that possible?
[Di Maio:] Yes. An abrasion. I said there were abrasions back here. But what I'm saying is whatever.
[De La Rionda:] You weren't aware and I am showing you, Dr. Di Maio, there were trees back there. At some point, even the defendant acknowledges there was a struggle of some type near those trees.
[Di Maio:] My understanding what you were saying was the trees were on the ground, not
[De La Rionda:] Oh, I apologize. I'm talking about
[Di Maio:] I saw the pictures and I saw the vertical trees.
[De La Rionda:] Thank you, Your Honor. I think I'll so that's a possibility, correct? At least some of the bruising or contusions?
[Di Maio:] You could have one of the injuries from bumping against a tree. That is correct.
[De La Rionda:] And also some of the injuries that you described to the defendant, George Zimmerman, could be from rolling around on the concrete and hitting the concrete as struggling and fighting.
[Di Maio:] Impact on the concrete. That's what I'm saying.
[De La Rionda:] Right. I mean, that is consistent with what you are saying, impacting the concrete. Is that correct?
[Di Maio:] Yes, sir.
[De La Rionda:] I was curious what you mentioned about Trayvon Martin that you mentioned that you described the injury to his left hand. What did you call it? A
[Di Maio:] An abrasion. An abrasion.
[De La Rionda:] You were agreeing with that assessment, correct?
[Di Maio:] Well, he called it, so I have to go with it.
[De La Rionda:] You saw the photograph, didn't you?
[Di Maio:] Yeah. I'm not sure if I did or not.
[De La Rionda:] OK. Let's assume I can show it to you if you want.
[Di Maio:] Go ahead. I'm listening to you.
[De La Rionda:] Assuming that is an abrasion, you believe there may be additional injuries under his knuckles, I think you said?
[Di Maio:] No. Those are two separate questions.
[De La Rionda:] OK.
[Di Maio:] One question was whether it is an abrasion. I can't disagree with the individual who did the autopsy. The next question was if you punch somebody, will you get bruises on your knuckles. And my answer was yes and no.
[De La Rionda:] You might and might not.
[Di Maio:] You might or you might not. If you really suspect something, they should have made a cup into the hand and then examined underneath.
[De La Rionda:] And I gather, if the person is alive, you're not going to say, hey, let me cut all your knuckles.
[Di Maio:] The person is alive, you sit there and wait a day or so, and then you will know whether there is heavy hemorrhage.
[De La Rionda:] Did you say sometimes you can hit something and not have any hemorrhaging at all?
[Di Maio:] Right. What I'm saying is you can get it or you cannot. If you have it and you live a couple of days, you will be able to see it. But the thing is, if it is not there, it is not important.
[De La Rionda:] I think let me understand what you are saying. You can hit somebody and not leave bruising on your knuckles, correct?
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] In other words, George Zimmerman could have hit Trayvon Martin and not left bruising on his knuckles.
[Di Maio:] That's correct, sir.
[De La Rionda:] You were asked a bunch of questions and I think you were shown some photographs.

[Amy Chozick, Political Reporter, "the New York Times":] involved and feel heard without creating that chaos that destroyed her the last time.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] It seems also there is a struggle between the old garden and the new Clinton land.
[Chozick:] Well, absolutely, I mean, the Clintons came to power when big digging up opposition research files is how you win presidential campaigns. The Obama campaign really mastered the data game. They're going to bring in the new people who know how to wage a campaign of 2016.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Opposition research still very much a part of politics. One of the interesting dynamics is you say yourself, the Clintons. Hillary is going to have to distinguish herself to win this election.
[Chozick:] Absolutely.
[Cuomo:] Do you get any sense a lot of them are Bill's people, as to why Hillary is better than Bill on any level? This is a big challenge in house and out of house.
[Chozick:] It's a really interesting question because right now Bill Clinton's people are very focused on legacy building. He talks a lot about the Clinton years. She does too. But she cannot look like a candidate of the '90s. She is no longer the first lady, the president's wife. She's been a senator, secretary of state, presidential candidate. They want people to look at her as her own person.
[Bolduan:] John, come into this discussion. Something also that Hillary Clinton has to fight and David Axelrod notes this suggestion that this is a coronation. That was one of the problems that she had in 2007 when she was encased in a presumption of inevitability. But if you look at the latest polling, she's what, 65 percent among Democratic registered voters versus Biden who is 8 percent. She is still fighting that battle?
[John King, Cnn Chief National Correspondent:] She wishes all these primaries would be tomorrow so she could have the election with her at those numbers. Remember, at this point back in 2006, this kid named Barack Obama was not even registering in the polls. So can she be beat? Yes. Is there anybody out there now viewed as a credible contender? Absolutely not. Because of that and because of history, remember, history says the Republicans win the next presidential election. In our lifetime, only George H.W. Bush, a Republican has succeeded a two term president of his own party. That's one of the reasons you see this, they say it's our turn, but all these people flocking to her. Former Obama people saying let's just build fortress Hillary on the ground because she's the only one that can keep the White House in Democratic hands. As we've talked about before, she's been inevitable before. That has to be a bell on the back of her head, I've lived this dream before and it turned into a nightmare. Number two to Amy's point, you know, Bill Clinton went through this in 1992 on a much smaller scale. Hillary land is a lot bigger than Bill's campaigns ever were. But he had the Arkansas guard. There was a lot of tension at first. They finally figured it out, but the candidate sets the tone. The candidate has to referee it. That's what she didn't do in 2008.
[Cuomo:] You did a good job. It's not easy to get in there. Of course, you had them seeing who could talk, you did a good job of unpacking who's around her. The question is, what kind of candidate can they mold? It's tough when you have Bill Clinton as your husband. He is also going to be a lot of comparison for people early on. Is she better than he was? It's just part of politics?
[Chozick:] Absolutely. And then there's a question of how to use Bill Clinton, which came up a lot in 2008. You know, how do we utilize him as a surrogate without having him steal her thunder? So that is going to be a question as well.
[Bolduan:] Let's talk about this cover that's got a lot of attention.
[Chozick:] I've got it.
[Bolduan:] We've got a graphic of it right here for you. An assumption this was coming at you when you guys went out there with this? What do you make of the reaction?
[Chozick:] I kept describing this as a story about her orbit. They didn't know I was quite so literally.
[Cuomo:] And you don't pick the cover to be fair.
[Chozick:] I didn't pick the cover. When they showed it to me, I definitely thought, oh, this is going to drive a lot of reaction.
[Bolduan:] Let's show some of the other options that people have taken creative license with using the Hillary Clinton planet. John King, what would be your cropping of choice?
[King:] I think not crop of choice here. But ever since I first started covering Hillary Clinton, when I started covering Bill Clinton back in the last '80s into the early '90s, there's been a debate about her hair style. We're not talking about her hair. Maybe that's a victory.
[Bolduan:] And we're not talking about pant suits. They like this.
[Cuomo:] Or they're going to say they don't like it because they're going to say you're not showing her respect. Is that a fair criticism?
[Bolduan:] Because Paul Begala was not a fan of it.
[Chozick:] Interesting. I don't know being a planetary body seems respectful. I could understand where they wouldn't think it was the most flattering.
[Cuomo:] That's not the motivating tone?
[Chozick:] Of course not, no, absolutely not.
[Bolduan:] It's got a lot of people talking.
[Cuomo:] It's good to generate buzz because you are far out. An interesting point to end on, John, you brought this up, Senator Barack Obama then, right, during the primaries. He wasn't registering well. Hillary was seeming stronger than him on small issues. Do you believe that she will benefit from the idea of buyer's remorse on President Obama? You hear this in Democratic circles. I wonder if she would have been better than the president is being right now, what do you make of that suggestion?
[King:] I do think there is a bit of that among Democratic activists. Her argument was he's not ready to be president. Once Iowa, New Hampshire, once he became credible, he had such a huge advantage because African-Americans support went to him in droves. She was a loyal soldier after that campaign. One of the reasons you see so many of Team Obama trying to support Team Hillary, they think OK. First African-American president, that's great. Now it is time to elect the first female president and she is the one who can do it, but let's also be honest. There are some raw politics to this Democrats now consume the federal government. These are their friends and their families in all these jobs. They lose the White House. They lose those jobs. If they look around, no offense to the governors out there, they look around at the other candidates and they say, history says Republicans will win unless we nominate the battle ship.
[Bolduan:] John King, thank you as always. Amy, thank you as well. You can read Amy's piece in this issue of "New York Times" magazine.
[Cuomo:] Coming up on NEW DAY, pop star, Justin Bieber's legal troubles. They are real. What's behind this behaviour? What's the motivation? We are going to talk about that and we're going to talk about why isn't someone helping this kid?
[Bolduan:] Also ahead, the reviews are coming in for this year's Olympic uniform for opening ceremonies. Just take a look and you can decide, classic style or something akin to ugly Christmas sweater. We're going to hash this out coming up.

[Banfield:] Welcome back to "Legal View." I'm Ashleigh Banfield. If you've got legal troubles, especially in family court, you may have no better mom than good old Judge Judy. And Judge Judy is coming to her son's rescue. Here's CNN's Pam Brown with the story.
[Judy Sheindlin, Judge Judy:] You think you're smooth. You're a 19- year-old zero.
[Pamela Brown, Cnn Correspondent:] Judy Sheindlin is the tough-talking gavel-pounding judge you don't want to cross.
[Sheindlin:] Listen to me carefully.
[Brown:] Her daytime TV court show "Judge Judy".
[Sheindlin:] You're an idiot!
[Brown:] Now she's weighing in on a legal matter involving her own son, Adam Levy, a New York State district attorney who slapped a $5 million lawsuit against Putnam County Sheriff Donald Smith for defamation.
[Adam Levy, New York State District Attorney & Judge Judy's Son:] To read the newspaper, statements made by Don Smith that I interfered with, used my office and my title as district attorney to influence his investigation, I was outraged.
[Brown:] Smith has accused Levy of interfering with a child rape case involving Levy's former trainer, Alexander Hossu back in March. According to the Putnam County Sheriff, Hossu was accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on two occasions in 2010. Levy says he recused himself from the rape case as soon as he learned Hossu was under investigation. In this 30-page complaint filed by Levy, he alleged that defamatory statements made by Smith against him were published in various online publications, including, "If he could have his own way, Mr. Hossu would never have been brought to justice, that the lawsuit is politically motivated."
[Donald Smith, Sheriff, Putnam County Sheriff's Department:] It's obviously intended to influence the outcome of the upcoming sheriff's election.
[Brown:] In a statement, Judge Judy said, about her son, "His moral compass is dead center." She added, "When someone attacks his character professionally or personally, they best be prepared to back it up. Shut up or pay up."
[Banfield:] And that's Judge Judy for you. Thank you to CNN's Pamela Brown. Back to talk with us about this is criminal defense attorney, Danny Cevallos, and criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, Jeffrey Gold. First, I love the fact that Judge Judy is involved in anything because she's just so non-nonsense. But this is a serious case that involves defamation. The ultimate proof of defamation is the truth. Isn't that the fact? You don't need to go on TV and say all these things, you just need to come one the goods, right, Jeff?
[Jeff Gold, Criminal Defense Attorney & Former Prosecutor:] Right. The fact is he's saying I wouldn't come out and make a big deal about this if it weren't true. The second is politics. What you wouldn't understand as a citizen normally is the intra-department rivalries that go on between sheriffs and D.A.s investigations. You would think that they would all work together but they don't all work together.
[Banfield:] You were a prosecutor. Didn't you get along with your sheriff?
[Gold:] It was always a surprise to young prosecutor how the FBI didn't get along with the ATF, how the local prosecutor's office didn't get along with the local departments. It was rivalry city. And here, on top of this, we have politics. What he's saying is the sheriff now you're coming out with this now because it's election time and you want to get me.
[Banfield:] Danny, I want to get you in on this but not before we get to hear a little bit more from Prosecutor Levy. That's Judge Judy's son. He was actually on "New Day" on CNN this morning. Have a listen.
[Levy:] When I learned about this incident, this case, the investigation, it was March 13. I learned about it, and immediately I did what I was legally, morally and ethically required to do. I recused myself and my office. I couldn't possibly prosecute a case against Alex Hossu, who is a family friend.
[Banfield:] There's the paper trail, right, Danny Cevallos? Shouldn't everything play out of accordingly? And, wow, a $5 million defamation case? Do prosecutors really make that much money?
[Danny Cevallos, Criminal Defense Attorney:] We do, especially in New York. You file for the sun, the moon and the stars. When it comes to defamation, that's the harder part is proving your actual defamation damages. A lot of people say, I've been defamed, can I sue. This answer is you can but you have to prove a tangible economic damage to you, to your reputation, and that takes a lot of money. It's throwing good money after bad. But
[Banfield:] I wondered does he think he's got a career like his mom. If he thinks he's got a career like his mom and any proof of that, then, yeah, maybe $5 million is low.
[Cevallos:] Sure. The other thing to consider is that the sheriff actually made statements that were published. That's the thing about defamation, when it's published, if you have a record of it, it's usually pretty easy to look at that and say was that defamation. The real issue always with these cases, proving your actually damages.
[Banfield:] Yeah. By the way, publishing Jeff, please tell me what publishing is. It isn't about binding it in a book and sending it out. You can publish to one person, can't you?
[Gold:] Yes, you absolutely can. I just want to mention one thing. The D.A. has said he's not going to keep any money if he gets it, that he's going to donate all the money to charity.
[Banfield:] Does he have a good case?
[Gold:] He does have a good case because it looks like the truth is on his side. It looks like he did nothing wrong. He immediately recused himself.
[Banfield:] Good luck to all those future criminal prosecutions that come between that sheriff and that prosecutor. It's going to be tricky to work together after this. Thanks you two. If you could stay with us, we have got a couple of other things to bring your way. Up next, what happens to those millions and millions of teeny, weenie, little shampoo bottles that we leave behind in our hotel room. You'll be surprised about what one person ha been doing in Chicago and this story is fantastic.

[Carol Costello, Cnn Anchor:] Happening now in the NEWSROOM on ice.
[Unidentified Female:] There's no way you can deal with ice.
[Unidentified Male:] It's the ice. It's the ice.
[Costello:] A fast-moving paralyzing storm forecasters calling it catastrophic.
[Gov. Nathan Deal , Georgia:] We're not kidding. We're not just crying wolf.
[Costello:] In what could be the worst ice storm to hit the south in 10 years, power outages that could last for a week.
[Unidentified Male:] This is going to be a challenge for all of us.
[Costello:] Also, avalanche danger. Amazing video, a snowmobiler swept away and carried 100 feet.
[Unidentified Male:] It felt like I was just literally flying through the air.
[Costello:] Avalanches in Colorado, Oregon and Utah. An emergency situation and a dire warning to skiers this morning. Plus another chemical spill in West Virginia.
[Unidentified Male:] I can smell an odor.
[Costello:] Creeks turning black. The pipe break in the same area as the spill last month. People there fed up.
[Unidentified Female:] I don't believe half of what they say.
[Costello:] And glamour, glitz and the White House state dinner. Stephen Colbert, Bradley Cooper, Mary
[J. -- Mary J. Blige, Singer:] My last name is French.
[Costello:] You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me. For millions of Americans, especially in the south, a brutal mix of ice and snow sweeps in bolstered by words just as chilling historic, catastrophic and very unpredictable. The screaming headlines speaks volumes, bracing for the worst. Flights are cancelled. More than 54,000 homes and businesses have already lost power. And officials warn those power outages could be widespread and last for days. More than 50 salt trucks converged on to a truck stop in Augusta, Georgia, overnight, the area facing a potentially catastrophic winter storm slamming the southeast stretching from Texas to the eastern seaboard. Freezing rain causing what may be the worst ice storm in a decade, forcing Georgia and Virginia into states of emergency.
[Deal:] There's no doubt that this is one of Mother Nature's worst kinds of storms that can be inflicted on the south.
[Costello:] Up to an inch of ice could make travel treacherous in some areas. The National Guard on the move preparing to rescue anyone sliding off the road.
[Pfc. Darian Davis, Georgia National Guard:] I'm going to go out there on the highways and patrol and make sure all of our citizens are OK.
[Costello:] Sleet, ice and snow suspending some Amtrak trains and cancelling thousands of flights.
[Unidentified Male:] Didn't even expect this.
[Costello:] At Atlanta's airport Delta employees actually had to sleep in planes because there aren't enough hotel rooms. In North Carolina a truck crashed into the guardrail as the popular I-95 corridor is becoming a dangerous icy roadway. The potentially catastrophic ice accumulations already pummeled Texas on Monday, riddling roadways with accidents. A firefighter after stopping to check on one spun car died when another driver lost control on the icy bridge. Knocking him off the overpass on to the ramp below. For much of the southeast, temperatures will continue to be below freezing for another 24 hours. Officials are bracing for the worst.
[Unidentified Male:] Wherever you are, you need to plan on staying there for a while.
[Costello:] Sadly that is true. CNN is covering this storm like no other network can. Indra Petersons is tracking this storm from CNN's Weather Center, David Mattingly is in Charlotte, North Carolina, George Howell is outside in Atlanta. But we begin with Nick Valencia. He's in one of Atlanta's oldest neighborhood and the reason you're there, icy trees.
[Nick Valencia, Cnn Correspondent:] Yes, icy trees, freezing temperatures about 28 degrees right now. Freezing rain, it's been picking up all morning long. Carol, I want to give you a sense of just how cold it was here overnight. This isn't a trash bag. It's a child's coat that was left here on this elementary school where we're going to life from completely frozen. You can probably snap that thing in half if you tried. But come on back here. I want to show you something as well. This is how big of an issue the freezing rain has been. Starting to accumulate ice on this table. When we got here about 5:00 a.m. this morning there was nothing on this table. The roads were clear. The roads were nice to drive on. That's not the case right now. In Decatur, just outside of Atlanta, if you are good at making snowmen, which I'm not really. I'm from Los Angeles, Carol. I don't know how to play with this stuff here. But if you could if you could make a snowman you could make one with the ice that's accumulated here all across the city. But the real concern as you mentioned those power lines, those downed power lines I'm not sure if you can see behind me here but there is a power line there. Frozen power lines. Already more than 50,000 people without power all throughout the state of Georgia. Majority of that concentrated in Metro Atlanta and believe it or not, Carol, officials saying it could get much worse Carol.
[Costello:] I know. Nick Valencia, thanks so much. Let's head out to Charlotte, North Carolina. Because motorist there Motorists there beware. Officials say if you leave your home now you may not get back there any time soon. Ice and up to a foot of snow expected in North Carolina. CNN's David Mattingly joins us live from Charlotte to tell us more. Good morning.
[David Mattingly, Cnn National Correspondent:] Good morning, Carol. No snow falling in downtown Charlotte right now but that's about to change in a very big way. You can take a look around here. This snow actually fell last night here. But the city is bracing for what they expect to be worst snowfall they've seen in a long time here, about eight to 10 inches here in downtown Charlotte. To the north of the city possibly a foot of snow. To the south of the city a crippling ice storm that is sure to plunge thousands of people into darkness as those power lines start coming down and everyone very much taking those warnings very seriously. This is a big banking center for the southeast. Normally very busy this time of day. Just a few cars on the road right now this morning. Schools are closed. Most people staying home. Hunkering down for what's coming. And believe me, Carol, take a good look at these clear streets and these dry sidewalks because 12 hours from now it's going to be a very different story here.
[Costello:] We'll check back. David Mattingly, reporting live from Charlotte, North Carolina. Here's a live look at road conditions in metro Atlanta. People are staying off the ice covered roads so far. Look at that. Looks like a ghost town in the entire city of Atlanta. They're definitely heeding the warnings as well they should. Indra Petersons is here to look at how long this storm will last for so many of us.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, and travel delays. What a nightmare, Carol. Let's talk about the delays. You look at the airports itself, you don't see delays. Why? Because the flights are cancelled. We know that with freezing rain out there. Atlanta, Georgia, over 1600 flights cancelled. Charlotte, North Carolina, over 700. Same thing up toward North Carolina, Raleigh, about 150 flights that's inbound and outbound. We know the problem. It's this. Sean, our weather producer in Atlanta, sent us this this morning. You were out there. You saw it. The freezing rain is there. The icing is now accumulating and people go who cares, what's a quarter inch, a half an inch of ice? That doesn't sound like much. Wrong. That is all it takes to bring those power lines down. They weigh 30 times heavier, as much as 500 pounds. That's the concern this ice storm is under way. The second wave of the system we saw starting yesterday that's expected to be even stronger and for that reason historical. That is what the National Weather Service is calling it as now you see that ice making its way into Georgia, even in Southern Carolina. Yesterday we saw about a quarter of an inch, look at the numbers we're expecting from the second wave. Way above that half an inch threshold. We're seeing it in places potentially as high as an inch of ice. That means catastrophic results. You could have power lines and be without power for a week. Now also the second wave of this will be the heavy snow. Places like D.C. that haven't seen snow as heavy as this since 10 excuse me, four years ago, February 2010, we saw five inches. We could be talking eight, even 10 inches of snow. Remember first it's the ice storm, the second wave overnight,
[Costello:] All right. Indra Petersons, thanks for the update, I think. Two snowmobilers in two separate states buried by avalanches. The one you're about to see happened off the trails in the back country of the Utah Mountains north of Salt Lake City. These are pictures of Travis's friends digging him out from under at least three feet of snow. Luckily Travis was able to stick his handout of the pile of snow. Still he was underneath that pile for a full five minutes. The snowmobilers say avalanche vest and rescue beacons saved Travis. The other avalanche happened in Gunnison, Colorado. Cody Strong was snowmobiling off trail when out of where a surge of snow threw him off his snowmobile. His shot there from his helmet cam. Alyssa Chin of affiliate KKTV has more for you.
[Cody Strong, Avalanche Survivor:] That was an avalanche. I honestly felt like I was just literally flying through the air like and I mean, like I felt like impact on me and everything.
[Alyssa Chin, Kktv Reporter:] Cody was swept away in an avalanche. He says the snow ripped him off his snowmobile and was taken roughly 100 feet.
[Strong:] It ended up being like a literally a freight train that just took me away, and as fast as I said that, like it was done and over with. Like, I mean, it was just see it. You can't see anything. You feel like your body going through motions and then it's done and over with. And you're stopped.
[Chin:] Once the panic stopped and he saw that all his friends were OK, he took a minute to let everything that happen sink in.
[Strong:] We literally survived an avalanche like that was that could have been way worse than it was.
[Costello:] Yes. It could have been. That was Alyssa Chin reporting. Cody says he will be more cautious from now on and will even take an avalanche safety course. Just when you thought we had reached some bipartisan bliss Senator Ted Cruz reappears as the spoiler. Cruz says he will filibuster a House passed bill to raise the debt ceiling. But Cruz's plan is at odds with his fellow Republicans. They want to avoid a filibuster and any accusations of obstruction that could come with it. Cruz's vow comes after the measure cleared the House by a narrow vote, less than three dozen Republicans who joined Democrats in passing the measure. House Speaker John Boehner spoke about his party's frustration with the process and President Obama.
[Rep. John Boehner , House Speaker:] Listen, you all know that our members are not crazy about voting to increase the debt ceiling. Our members are also very upset with the president. He won't negotiate. He won't deal with our long term spending problems without us raising taxes. Won't even sit down and discuss these issues. He's the one driving up the debt and, you know, the question they're asking is why should deal with his debt limit? And so the fact is, we'll let the Democrats put the votes up, we'll put a minimum number of votes up to get it passed.
[Costello:] And they did and it passed. The nation faces a February 27th deadline to raise the debt ceiling or risk a technical default. As I've told you, the bill now goes to the Senate. The president putting pen to paper on the federal minimum wage today signing an executive order that will raise the minimum wage for federal contract workers to $10.10 an hour. Right now they make $7.25 an hour. The increase will kick in on January 1st, 2015 and will only apply to new contracts. But the debt ceiling, minimum wage and other issues all faded to the background at the White House last night where French President Francois Hollande was honored with a state dinner. The first lady donning a Carolina Herrera dress in the colors of black and liberty blue and it has sleeves and everything. Hollywood celebrities also enjoyed the festivities. Among them Julia Louis-Dreyfus, who attended with her dad, and Bradley Cooper. CNN's Jim Acosta will have more on the dinner later this hour. Also to come in the NEWSROOM Michael Dunn answers tough questions on the stand as the jury gets ready to take the case. So did Dunn's testimony help him or hurt him? Our panel of legal experts weigh in.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking news overnight: the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 intensifying, the mystery of its disappearance widening. A new report this morning claiming that poor communication could have wasted days in the effort to find the vanished jetliner and new information now about the last words from the cockpit. Who said them and how even this information keeps changing. We cover all the angles and all the twists and turns as they unfold this morning. Good morning, everyone. Great to see you today. Welcome to EARLY START. I'm John Berman.
[Poppy Harlow, Cnn Anchor:] And I'm Poppy Harlow. It is Tuesday, April 1st, 4:00 a.m. here on the East Coast. We're getting an early start, because there are some very important, new details to tell you about in the development in that search for Flight 370. A Malaysian government source telling CNN investigators are convinced someone in the cockpit or on board the plane is responsible for that sudden turn off course. They consider the disappearance of Flight 370 a criminal act. And with that explanation, they're altering the official version of the final sign- off from the jetliner's cockpit. Jim Clancy is live in Kuala Lumpur for us this morning. And, Jim, we understand you just obtained a transcript of the final communication. What does it show you?
[Jim Clancy, Cnn Correspondent:] This is the full transcript between the tower and Flight MH370. In it, you hear all of the things that are going on between the pilots on board the aircraft, air traffic control, ground control, the Kuala Lumpur tower, as this flight proceeds. It carries through, you know, from the time that they say that they want to take off, cleared for takeoff at 12:40 and 38 seconds, 370 32r, 32 right, cleared for takeoff, goodnight. And then Malaysian airlines said, "Cleared for takeoff, Malaysia 370, thank you, bye." The final transmission comes at 1:19.29, and the transcript from this is from Malaysia airlines flight 370's cockpit, says "Goodnight Malaysian 370." This came to us via senior government source, highly credible. I'm not an expert in aviation. We're going to have some pilots take a look at this. But I can tell you, as I went down through this three, four times and read everything, Poppy and John, what stands out to me is how routine it is. There is nothing that appears amiss in this at all. But it does clear up a lot of the questions, I think. It gives us one of the few really hard facts that remains, one of the few things that is known about this flight. And what was going on in the cockpit, what was going on in the conversation with the tower just before it disappeared. Back to you.
[Harlow:] Well, and that confirming those final words were not, as Malaysian authorities said weeks ago, "All right, good night." Jim, also, the head of the International Air Travel Association or IATA, is in Kuala Lumpur and had some interesting things to say. What did he say?
[Clancy:] This meeting was already scheduled, I believe. It's an operations meeting, if you want to call it that, call it that, an ops meeting that brings together industry experts, executives, airline executives, brings together people that are interested in aviation. And Tony Tyler, the director general of IATA, said that two things really stand out. Number one, they have to get a grip, the countries have to get a grip on controlling the passengers who board flights, that the two stolen passports just point out the problems that people have in confidence with their security. They have databases available. They have to see that all countries are using those databases to help insure safety aboard flights. Even if those two people, those two individuals who are Iranians, believed to be trying to emigrate to Europe, even if they had nothing to do with the disappearance of the flight, that's a problem. Number two and I think this stands out in everyone's minds they have to implement a way to track planes. The reason that we've got everyone down scouring the southern reaches of the Indian Ocean is because we have no real idea, no real evidence of where this plane went down. That shouldn't happen today in an age where we track packages.
[Harlow:] Right, everything.
[Clancy:] We track vehicles, we even track pets.
[Harlow:] Right. Absolutely. Appreciate the reporting appreciate the reporting this morning and telling us more about what is in that transcript from what was communicated between the plane and the tower. Thank you, Jim.
[Berman:] Yes, that's a new development. We've all been waiting for that transcript.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Berman:] It's in Jim Clancy's hands this morning. We'll get back to that in a little bit as Jim pores over the details. Meanwhile, it has been one dead end after another in the search for Flight 370. This is the latest. Three days wasted. That is according to a new report. "The Wall Street Journal" says search teams were looking in the wrong place in the southern Indian Ocean for 72 hours because of poor coordination, saying the two separate teams were analyzing different data to calculate the plane's trajectory, one looking at radar data, the other looking at satellite data. They didn't get together. Remember, they changed the search area, about 700 miles. It's been 25 days since Flight 370 vanished. The search at sea is turning up plenty of debris, but none of it so far can be connected to the missing jetliner. Let's get the latest on this search from Atika Shubert. She's been manning the situation for us from Perth, Australia, near the air base. Atika, what's the latest this morning?
[Atika Shubert, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, they've got 12 planes up in the air searching that area, an area the size of Ireland. That's according to the new coordinator, chief air marshal, Angus Houston, who held a press conference earlier today. And he was very clear that this is not something that's going to be wrapped up quickly, even if they find debris soon. This is something that's going to take weeks, if not longer, he said, to go through. So, some tough words today. Take a listen to what Mick to the deputy CEO of the Australian Maritime Safety situation said, Mick Kinley. He basically put into perspective what we're looking at in this search.
[Mick Kinley, Australian Deputy Chief Executive Officer For Amsa:] Currently, we believe we're looking in the place that gives us the best probability of success. As that information is refined we may move that effort, but currently, that's where we are. We have by no means exhausted that search area yet, and we will continue to make every effort we can to give the people who are flying the best probability we can.
[Shubert:] Reading between the lines there, they're basically saying they're doing the best they can, but the bottom line is, they don't even know whether or not they're looking in the right place, John.
[Berman:] Best they can, Atika. As they keep on searching, they keep turning up debris, which causes some hope, but it keeps turning up to be junk from fishing vessels and the like, causing a lot of frustration, as you've been reporting. Our Atika Shubert in Perth, Australia thanks very much.
[Harlow:] Well, for the families of the 239 people on board Flight 370, more heartache, more frustration, more confusion, frankly. Debris sightings in the Indian ocean raising their hopes and then dashing them. Their distrust of the Malaysian government mounting by the hour. Now they're preparing legal action. David McKenzie joins us from Beijing this morning. David, you have been with these families throughout, and throughout from hope to despair. Tell me what the latest is in terms of the potential legal action they could take here, because I know there was a major development late last night.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, that's right, Poppy. You know, there are a number of law firms that have representatives at that hotel where hundreds of family members have been held up for these weeks, trying to find out anything about their loved ones. And as is always the case in an airline crash like this, you know, the legal options start to mount. And at this stage, those legal options could be potentially severe for the manufacturers, but we don't know until, of course, they conduct an investigation. I spoke to the head of litigation at Ribbeck Law. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Female:] We have to believe it crashed. Although the minister of defense said we believe it crashed, we still need to know for sure that it crashed. Even finding a small piece of the plane, a cushion, a window, will help us in our legal case.
[Mckenzie:] Well, certainly, no lawsuit can proceed until they find some debris. And as you say, a major development in this, that law firm, Ribbeck Law, which filed a petition to get information from both Boeing and Malaysian airlines from a circuit court in Chicago, they had that petition thrown out. The judge said it was not valid. The law firm says they will appeal that ruling, but will certainly try to push through with the lawsuit in this case, has very real implications, of course, in aviation law if they push through for the families as well. But every family member I've spoken to say it's not about the money, it's about having some kind of closure about their loved ones.
[Harlow:] And I'm wondering, David, if you've gotten any reaction from the family members yet to the fact that we know now from the transcript that the final words out of the cockpit were different than Malaysian authorities originally said, not significantly different, but still different. And in this investigation, any fact we can get our hands on is key. Are they reacted to that or the "Wall Street Journal" report that days were really wasted because of a lack of communication in terms of where that key search area should be?
[Mckenzie:] Many of the family members have already accused Malaysian airlines of delaying the investigation and not giving the right amount of information. They have not yet received a transcript from the airline representatives. In a meeting that is ongoing right as we speak. So, we will see if they get that transcript that Jim was reporting about. And certainly, it would fit with their overall anger and frustration in this case, that as they have tried to figure out what happened to those on board, they have repeatedly pointing the finger at the airlines and at the government, and so has the Chinese government, for that matter. But certainly, the Malaysian airlines say they're doing everything they can to provide information to these families. So, you know, all in all, as these weeks drag out, it's certainly a very messy situation for everyone involved.
[Harlow:] Absolutely.
[Mckenzie:] Poppy?
[Harlow:] Thank you, David. Appreciate it.
[Berman:] Again, the breaking news as you just mentioned with David McKenzie, CNN just obtaining the transcript of the final conversation between the cockpit of Flight 370 and air traffic control. Our Jim Clancy in Kuala Lumpur has that transcript. We're going over it right now, trying to figure out if there are any details in there that we did not know before.
[Harlow:] Right.
[Berman:] We'll be following all the latest news on the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 all morning. But first, Ukraine expected to get big support today from the United States. Congress voting on millions of dollars of aid, also punishment for Russia. We're live in Moscow with reaction right after the break.

[Blitzer:] It's official. The North Korean leader, Kim Jong-Un, is expected to attend World War II victory celebrations in Moscow. That, according to a Russian official who asked not to be identify. It will be the first trip outside of the country since he took over in 2011. Russia and North Korea have declared 2015 a friendship year for the two countries. Our correspondent, Paula Hancocks, has more on the ties that is bind.
[Paula Hancocks, Cnn Correspondent:] What do you give the man who has everything? Russia's leader, Vladimir Putin, chose race horses for Korean's former leader, Kim Jong-Il, a relationship that Kim Jong-Un appears keen to nurture. The days of warm embraces between the leaders of China and North Korea have gone. Kim Jong-Un hasn't met him yet. A nuclear program followed by international sanctions soured relations and the execution of a man China knew and trusted did not help. So Kim is turning to Russia. The former Soviet Union subsidized North Korea heavily before 1991, so why not its successor?
[Andrei Lankov, Kockmin University:] Soviet Union was beginning to spend or if you like, waste money on the foreign policy, to buy influence, to buy support. For Russia, the foreign policy is in an area where money is not spent but earned.
[Hancocks:] Trade between the two countries was worth $100 million in 2013, a drop in the ocean compared to China's $6.5 billion. Last year, Putin cancelled $10 billion of North Korea's $11 billion Soviet- era debt, a prelude to both countries declaring this year a year of friendship. Much of North Korea's weaponry is from the Soviet Union, dating back to the Korean War. Some observers may worry that Pyongyang is looking for updated arsenal, even nuclear know-how. But South Korea is not concerned at least not publically.
[Yun Byung-se, South Korean Foreign Minister:] That does not mean that Russia is compromising on their position on North Korean issues.
[Hancocks:] After its actions in Crimea and Ukraine, Moscow is not popular in the West. Pyongyang never has been. The two leaders finding common ground in mutual isolation and anti-American fervor. [on camera]: After being in power more than three years, Kim Jong-Un hasn't met a single world leader. Experts say it would make sense for him to make Putin his first, cementing a blossoming friendship while, at the same time, moving at least publically further away from his main sponsor, China. Paula Hancocks, CNN, Seoul.
[Blitzer:] We'll see what happens, if he does actually make that visit to Moscow. That's it for me. Thanks very much for watching. I'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. For our international viewers, "CNN News Center" coming up next. And for our viewers in North America, "Newsroom" with Brooke Baldwin starts right now.
[Brooke Baldwin, Cnn Anchor:] Here we go. Top of the hour. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me here on CNN.

[Lu Stout:] Welcome back. You're watching News Stream. And we have another volcano in Iceland that is acting up, no doubt one with an unpronounceable name. Let's go straight to Mari Ramos, she joins us from the world weather center with that and more Mari.
[Mari Ramos, Cnn Weather Correspondent:] Hey, Kristie. Yeah yes, an unpronounceable name that I will not attempt to pronounce. But this one we just learned how to say it [inaudible] which was the last one that erupted a couple of years ago. And that's way down here. This is this volcano right there and it has an orange warning, mainly for aviation. What they're saying is that this has the potential, the chance that it could erupt. So there's a lot of things that they're monitoring on this volcano. And one of the things is the number of swarms, volcanic swarms. In other words, an increased number of tremors are occurring at the summit of the volcano and near the base of the volcano, that is something that is a red flag and they're saying, look, this could erupt. So if you're flying over this area, pilots need to be very, very careful because of the amount of ash that could come up into the atmosphere. Remember, this happened before. This is an area that depending on which way the wind is blowing, it could have an effect in, you know, many thousands and thousands of people. Remember what happened last time. There's Iceland right there. This, right here that's New Foundland this corridor of the North Atlantic between Europe and North America, this is a live look right now of the planes that are in the air. Think about it this way, there are over maybe 2,000 to 3,000 flights a day that go through this region. So very busy indeed. And because of the prevailing wind patterns across this area, sometimes it can bring ash across this area, volcanic ash across this area. And that is the concern that if that volcano does erupt, we could see again some problems for aviation. Right now, that has not happened, so don't worry about it just yet. Just kind of keep it in the back of your mind, especially if you have travel plans across this North Atlantic corridor. So there is Iceland right there. We're going to go ahead and head to Europe now. And we have a couple of weather systems happening. This one right over here bringing some strong winds across the northwest corner of Europe, some very cool temperatures coming along here for you across the UK and Ireland and moving into this northwestern corner of Europe. Some of the coolest air you've had probably all summer long. And we had some strong storms developing across the western Mediterranean. If you have pictures of that, send them to me. I'd love to see them. We're starting to see a little bit more in the way of wet weather moving across the Adriatic and some stronger storms across Poland. There are the temperatures right now. Look at London. You almost need a sweater, it's only 16 degrees, and that was your daytime high today. 14, the daytime high in Dublin, 18 in Paris. Hot, though, as we head down to Madrid. Still pretty warm in Kiev and Bucharest and down to Athens and Instanbul. Those areas cool down just a little bit. But high pressure remains in place. Little or no chance of rain for you. So we're going to see those isolated rain showers across the central portion of the continent. Very serious flooding continues across parts of China. We've been talking about this for weeks already. And these areas here across the eastern portion of China again are getting pummeled with heavy rain. And notice how the rain stretches anywhere from the Korean peninsula all the way down through the coastline even into northern portions of southeast Asia here down over into Myanmar and Thailand. Bangkok getting some very heavy rain as well associated with this weather system. And look at that, a lot of wet weather continued across this region. In some cases, in Hong Kong, you've already had about 40 millimeters of rain since the early morning hours. Another 100 not out of the question, another maybe 30 for Shantou, maybe for Shanghai as well. And all the way up look at Shanghai, 129 millimeters possible as we head through the next 24 hours. And the monsoon flooding still a huge, huge concern as we head into south Asia. This is a picture from Bangladesh, at least five rivers are overflowing in this area, five major rivers. And we're still seeing a lot of problems across northern parts of India because of the monsoon floods. The rain, a little bit less than we had before, Kristie, but the potential for flooding remains, because all of that water still has to drain down to sea level. So downstream, the potential for flooding remains. Back to you.
[Lu Stout:] Yeah, a lot of water in the forecast, especially across the region here in Asia. Mari Ramos there, thank you. Now like their peers around the world, many teens in China are hooked onto the internet. And some worried parents are sending their kids to so- called boot camps, which use military style methods to help the teens kick the habit. But as David McKenzie reports, there may be a fine line between tough tactics and abuse.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] At Wangkang, near Jinan, looks like a typical school in China big on team spirit and martial arts displays. So, it may look like fun and games, but parents will commit and force their kids to this facility for four to six months to break their Internet addiction. Teenagers like Jiang Zhe are the "addicts." He said his mother lied to him when he came here, telling him it was summer camp, then they locked him away. "When I first came here, I thought about escaping," said Jiang, "but this place is tightly controlled, so there is no escape." At Wangkang, they use ex-military instructors who focus on drilling and discipline. No talking is allowed at mealtimes, no cell phones, no phone calls, and no contact with family. They are completely cut off to stop the temptation. Jiang said his mother unplugged his computer and beat him to get him to stop, but nothing worked. So his mother spent $1,000 not a small sum in China to send him here. "Yes, I was truly addicted to the internet. After a while, it was like falling in love." The love affair started in Internet arcades, where teenagers can spend hours, even days, playing Internet games. Chinese authorities claim Internet addiction pollutes the mind and causes 70 percent of juvenile crime. They've even classified it a mental disorder. So hundreds of addiction boot camps have sprung up across China and many of them are brutal. Earlier this year, state media said a teenage girl was beaten to death because she didn't ask permission to go to the bathroom. A boy was strapped to a pull-up bar for six hours. At Wangkang, they blame the abuse on illegal facilities and they said using one-on-one therapy is the best way to connect with the teenagers. Jiang's therapist said that for the first month, they mostly cry. "Before they came here, they were quite happy with the Internet world," she says, "and when they come here, they are bitterly separated from that world and this dramatic difference is what causes them great pain." Their aim is to break them down, and once they give up all hope of being let out, she said they start to change. Like everyone here, Jiang hasn't been told when or even if he will ever leave, but he said he is ready. He says four months locked away in Internet rehab is enough to kill his habit. David McKenzie, CNN, Jinan.
[Lu Stout:] Questionable approach there. Now J.C. Chan, a Chinese actor and the son of global Kung Fu star Jackie Chan, has been arrested on drugs charges in Beijing alongside another actor from Taiwan, Kaiko. Now police say both men tested positive for marijuana and that Chan possessed more than 100 grams of the drug. Now this is the latest in a string of arrests in Beijing's anti-drugs campaign. Now the clamp down, in fact, has ensnared some high profile celebrity offenders recently, including the movie star Jong Mua and singer Li Dimua. But here's the irony, Jackie Chan was named China's anti-drugs ambassador back in 2009, so it seems his message didn't quite sink in with his son. Before we go, this news just in, the IDF says three rockets have exploded in southern Israel. They hit open ground near the town of Beir Shava. Now remember we are in the middle of a ceasefire, a temporary truce that has been extended. We'll see what the reaction will be. And we will continue to follow the story in the hours ahead. World Business Today is next. END

[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn:] The 21-year-old inside for about an hour before opening fire with a 45-caliber pistol. One of the survivors pleaded with the gunman to stop.
[Sylvia Johnson, Friend Survived Church Massacre:] After the young man tried to stop him from doing what he wanted to finish off. He said, "No, you rape our women. And you are taking over the country."
[Camerota:] After the massacre, Roof fled the scene. And less than 14 hours later
[Debbie Dills, Floral Shop Owner Who Spotted Suspect:] It was God who made this happen.
[Camerota:] a floral shop owner, Debbie Dills, spots the alleged shooter more than 200 miles away in North Carolina, following Roof until police arrested him without incident.
[Dills:] God heard the prayers of those people, and he just used us as vessels to get his work done.
[Camerota:] Roof's roommate telling ABC News he was, quote, "big into segregation," alleging Roof was plotting something like this for six months. Roof's childhood friend tells the network
[Joey Meek, Friend Of Dylan Roof:] I think he wanted something big, like Trayvon Martin. He wanted to make something spark up the race war again.
[Camerota:] This Facebook photo revealing two flags on Roof's jacket, one from Apartheid-era South Africa, the other from the former Rhodesia, when it was ruled by a white minority, now called Zimbabwe.
[Mayor Joseph Riley Jr., Charleston, South Carolina:] There's something weird and bad and hateful going on in his mind.
[Camerota:] The community left reeling. The governor of South Carolina fighting back tears.
[Gov. Nikki Haley , South Carolina:] The heart and soul of South Carolina was broken. And so we have some grieving to do. And we've got some pain we have to go through.
[Camerota:] President Obama said he and Michelle personally knew several members of the historic Emanuel AME Church.
[Obama:] To say our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families and their community doesn't say enough to convey the heartache and the sadness and the anger that we feel.
[Camerota:] Well, it is not clear if Roof's roommate went to authorities. But Joey Meeks [SIC] told ABC News that he had not. And it's not clear why he didn't. So CNN has reached out to both the roommate and Meek. And Michaela now, again, is just a couple of blocks away from the church. And she has a look at how the victims of the massacre are being drawn together this morning by their faith. Good morning, Michaela.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn:] Yes, you know, I'm so moved standing beside this beautiful church, Mother Emanuel, as the locals call it. The city known as "The Holy City," because the number of churches, places of worship here in the city of Charleston. The people that came here came to study the Bible, to pray. But only a handful walked out of this church alive. And now, family and the friends of the nine victims, they're facing the gut-wrenching truth that they will never see their loved ones again.
[Pereira:] From the heart of the tragedy in South Carolina
[Unidentified Male:] Our hope is in God.
[Pereira:] to the historic walls of the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Georgia, thousands came to mourn nine of Charleston's most prominent educators and religious leaders, killed inside Emanuel AME Church Wednesday, including four beloved reverends. Among them, 74-year-old retired Reverend Daniel Simmons, who attended the church every Sunday; 49-year-old Reverend DePayne Middleton- Doctor, who served her community in the learning center of Southern Wesleyan University. Forty-five-year-old Reverend Sharonda Singleton, pictured here with her son on Mother's Day, coached at a local high school. Consoled by his teammates, Chris Singleton remembers his mom.
[Chris Singleton, Son Of Sharonda Singleton:] So we just love the way my mom would. The hate won't be anywhere close to what love is.
[Pereira:] And the distinctive voice of Reverend Clementa Pinckney, leader of the Emanuel AME Church, was also silenced, gunned down as he preached.
[Rev. Clementa Pinckney, South Carolina State Senator:] And to see him die face down in the ground
[Pereira:] A state senator, Reverend Pinckney became the youngest African-American ever elected to the South Carolina legislature. After the shooting of Walter Scott by police, he stressed the need for body police cameras in South Carolina.
[Pinckney:] And that a badge and a gun does not give someone superiority or will trump the constitutionally-protected privileges and rights in South Carolina.
[Pereira:] Friends and family struggle to cope with the loss of so many inside a place of worship. Recent college graduate Tywanza Sanders, just 26 years old, lost his life. Cynthia Hurd, 54 years old, she worked for decades as a librarian. Now, as a tribute to her life of service, it will be renamed in her honor.
[Tim Jackson, Grandson Of Susie Jackson:] I just want to know why. Like, why would you do something like this?
[Pereira:] Tim Jackson mourning the loss of his 87-year-old grandmother, Susie. He remembers her as a loving person with a great smile. Susie's 70-year-old cousin, Ethel Lance, also killed. And Myra Thompson, 59. She was teaching the Bible study, held each Wednesday, when the gunman opened fire. We really feel it's important to make sure you understand that these were not just nine names, nine victims, nine statistics. These were people that were loved, that are missed, that are mourned. Tywanza Sanders' best friend is going to be here with us a little later. That 26-year-old who died inside that church right behind me was known as a peacemaker. In fact, he was known to have said to have had one last act of bravery: threw himself in front of the gunman's gun and took fire instead of one of the other people that was there at the Bible study. We should tell you, another prayer vigil is going to be held for the victims. It's going to be held tonight at 6 p.m. It's been amazing to see the amount of people that are coming by here to help the city heal, to mourn alongside them. That's going to be held at a local college just down the road from here, 6 p.m. tonight. And I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people in attendance. Alisyn, I'll pass it over to you.
[Camerota:] Well, Michaela, every single story that we hear about every one of these nine people makes them each individually sound impressive. So thank you for helping us understand that this morning. So here with me now is Al Cannon. He's the Charleston County sheriff. The detention center where Dylann Roof is waking up this morning bears the sheriff's name. Sheriff Cannon, thanks so much
[Sheriff Al Cannon, Charleston County, South Carolina:] Hi, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] for being here. What a relief that this guy was captured.
[Cannon:] Certainly, law enforcement everywhere was concerned about that. And that is a positive aspect.
[Camerota:] And the people here in Charleston were scared for those hours that he was on the loose.
[Cannon:] They were. And rightly so. I mean, law enforcement was telling them to stay in and notify us of any suspicious activity. So that and just the shock of the news that was dribbling out about what what had occurred that caused that.
[Camerota:] As we said, he is in your detention center right now. Is he talking?
[Cannon:] I'm not going to go into that aspect of it, though he waived extradition, was brought back and lodged in the detention center about 7:30 last night.
[Camerota:] There's information online about this guy. He was I mean, he his roommates, people who know him say that he is a racist. But you think it's interesting that he didn't just go anywhere. He could have chosen anywhere. He chose Charleston, and he chose this historic church to carry out his heinous crime. What do you think about that?
[Cannon:] Well, you know, obviously, the racial aspect of this, which has received most of the notice, it also, I think, hurts a lot of people everywhere, but particularly in Charleston, that it occurred at a church. These nine folks were, by their involvement in the Bible study, that's certainly a reflection of the kind of life they tried to lead. Clementa Pinckney certainly first and foremost in that regard. And I last saw him, by the way, last week at the governor's signing of that body-worn camera bill. And I told him, I said, "I'm going to be out of town next week, but when I get back, let's get together and have lunch." And of course, that didn't happen. But this is an attack on the church, as well. That church, with its doors open, attracted new members. They were met with grace and graciousness. And this person came into that on that basis and betrayed it and rebuked the salvation that was part of the discussion there. And you know, Charleston has a long history with respect to its churches and the role that religion has played throughout its history. And, you know, we can talk about the obligations of someone when you have a visitor in your home.
[Camerota:] Yes, I mean, they opened their arms to him.
[Cannon:] Absolutely. And here's a man who came in and not only took advantage of that, but betrayed it and committed just an unspeakable act.
[Camerota:] We've heard so many testimonials about what a giant among men Pastor Pinckney was. As you say, you know him. You've dealt with him. And in fact, partly because of the legislation that he was behind, all your deputies will now be wearing body cameras.
[Cannon:] Well, and all the police officers in South Carolina. We have a period there where we identify appropriate policies and that sort of stuff, look for funding sources, particularly for the smaller agencies. But the bigger agencies, it's a big expense.
[Camerota:] That's just one of his legacies.
[Cannon:] He certainly played a role in that.
[Camerota:] You know, walking around town, being driven by taxi drivers around town, it's just sadness. It's just sadness, deep, deep sadness here. I don't hear anger, yet. Maybe that's coming. How do you describe what's happening to the community today and what you will do?
[Cannon:] Well, I think we're in a period of shock and tremendous sadness and hurt. I think certainly, there's some anger in the throughout the entire community, not just the folks directly affected in terms of having lost a loved one. But just that's an element of this community. And in some ways, it really distinguishes other communities. Because there are Charleston is somewhat small.
[Camerota:] Yes.
[Cannon:] And so you can really get to know people and have great relationships with them. And, you know, I think there's an anger that's not only about what happened, where it happened, the circumstances of it, but just as an assault on the city's just very fabric.
[Camerota:] Yes, absolutely. We feel it. Well, Sheriff, we know that you have your work cut out for you today. Thank you, and all of our thoughts are with your community of Charleston today.
[Cannon:] Thank you. Thank you, Alisyn.
[Camerota:] Thank you for being here. Let's go back to Chris in New York.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn:] All right, Alisyn. Obviously, we're going to stay with you guys down there in Charleston to understand how the community is reacting and what comes next. But we do have some other headlines. The manhunt for those escaped prisoners in upstate New York 14 days on now. They say the search is widening. Both men now on the U.S. Marshals' most wanted list, as an attorney for Joyce Mitchell's husband says, he is coping with the realization that she may have been plotting with the escapees to murder him. The State Department will release its annual country reports on terrorism today. The report is mandated by Congress. It gives lawmakers a complete review on terrorism overseas. No surprise, today's report is heavily expected to focus on ISIS. One big change: for the first time, Cuba is not on that list. The EPA and Transportation Department will unveil major new regulations aimed at reducing emissions from big rigs and heavy-duty trucks. The rules kick in starting in the 2019 model year. And the auto makers get a chance to give their input before the new rules take effect. Let's get back to Mick in Charleston Mick.
[Pereira:] Should I all right, Chris, we're just learning, too, that the suspect we're getting an urgent crossing our wire, that the suspect confessed to the shootings, and apparently, he purchased that gun on his own in April. So the question becomes: how did someone facing felony charges with an apparent history of hate allegedly get his hands on a gun? Plus, we're going to speak with a friend of Pastor Clem Pinckney, who died in the shooting. That's ahead for you on NEW DAY.

[Alina Machado, Cnn Correspondent:] It's very dangerous out there because of the threat of rip currents. And that's a threat that we're not only going to see here but also along the East Coast as Arthur continues to make its way close to shore. Michaela?
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] All right, thank you so much. We'll take it back here in New York. Where exactly is Arthur going? We want to track the progress and track its movements with Indra Petersons, our meteorologist. A lot of people are keeping a wary eye on this, as they should.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] They definitely should. We're talking about a system developing very early in the season. Let's talk about it. Right now you can see it's formed into a tropical storm and a strong tropical storm at that, currently seeing those steady winds at about 60 miles per hour. Once it hits about 39 miles per hour, that's what makes it a tropical storm, but this morning continuing to strengthen. Now the latest model saying that this guy is expected to be a category one hurricane as early as tomorrow just off the coast of the Carolinas. It does have a chance that it could make landfall. Most of the models bring it just barely offshore of masthead. But notice the cone of uncertainty. There is a chance again we could see that impact right there and then quickly by the time we get into the Fourth of July it gets into the flow of the jet stream and curves quicker and stays south basically of New York City and New England. And thereafter that's where it hits those cooler waters, a little bit of wind shear and we'll see it dissipate to a remnant. All of that happens by about Saturday. So, where is the heaviest rainfall? Offshore, since it's remaining offshore, so about eight inches of rain will be right offshore. But on the coastline itself, around Florida, about one to two inches of rain. Remember, it starts to hug the coastline. You'll see more rainfall when it gets closer to Georgia and South Carolina, and especially where it has the potential, right out towards the outer banks. You could see about three to five inches of rain when it does get really close to that immediate coastline. That's one side of the equation. We have storm surge as well, some warm water new need to add to it, one to two feet around Florida. But again, as it makes its way closer, three to five feet of water is possible with storm surge around the Carolinas. As far as timing, we know it's off the coast of Florida today in through tomorrow. It strengthens to that category one hurricane and really proceeds into the northeast. A lot of questions about this. Yes, it stays south of the northeast, but there's a cold front there so the combination of the two will bring a threat for heavy rainfall into the northwest, or northeast, I should say as well, Kate.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Keep moving east. That's all we can hope for right now. Thank you so much, Indra. Let's get back down to Brazil, though, where Chris is. Chris, what an amazing night and what an amazing performance by Tim Howard. And you had such a great conversation with him.
[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] All right, Kate, it was great to have him here on the show, Tim Howard, the man of the match. You may notice I have a one on my chest. It symbolizes a number of things, unfortunately, the number of goals the U.S. scored, also represents the unity that we saw here at the World Cup, the idea of one nation, one team that America has really embraced when it comes to U.S. soccer I'd say more than at any time in my lifetime. And of course, it's Tim Howard's number. Let's bring in Lara Baldesarra. She's been the man of the match for us here taking us through the World Cup, the anchor, of course, of "WORLD SPORT" on CNN International. So his play last night, you've been helping me throughout the game. I got to sit very close to the U.S. goal in the first half. I felt like he was doing something unusual. Was it obvious?
[Lara Baldesarra, Cnn International Correspondent:] It was obvious. Tim Howard, he was playing superhuman last night. But even though he's super human, we've been talking about his play, I want to mention something that's very human about him. This is a guy that deals with Tourette's Syndrome and has actually done has done a number of charitable works with children who are struggling with Tourette's Syndrome. So I just want to mention that because he's quite the giver back, the humanitarian, and yet he has been able to just simply keep the USA he kept them alive throughout the match last night, and you can't say enough about his performance. It was so impressive.
[Cuomo:] And also it speaks to how he's not that limitation of his syndrome.
[Baldesarra:] Exactly.
[Cuomo:] And it's important for people to have it and important for awareness, and now he'll have even more reach because the guy is being called Captain America. He's in Wikipedia as secretary of defense. And when is the last time if ever a U.S. soccer player was real like a celebrity in sport of the highest order overnight?
[Baldesarra:] That's incredible. It's quite the incredible story. And this now allows him like you said to have more outreach and give back even more, and there's more charitable giving, which I always think is important to mention. He is now the superstar. He's going to be the face of American soccer, but now the question is, is that going to be for very much longer?
[Cuomo:] You kicked aside my suggestion. I tried to hit him with like the penetrating question. You smacked it aside like a weak shot.
[Baldesarra:] He's going to be 39 years old in the next World Cup.
[Cuomo:] But he's built like twisted steel. He's on top of his game.
[Baldesarra:] He's a little old, but the USA has a number of young players, future players.
[Cuomo:] Saw a couple shine last night.
[Baldesarra:] We did, certainly. This was a team built on the future of them. Now DeAndre Yedlin, he was one of those guys.
[Cuomo:] He's a favorite of mine, speedy.
[Baldesarra:] A huge favorite, yes. And after the match I asked him, I said what was it what is it like to know that you are the future of American soccer? And listen to what he had to say to this.
[Deandre Yedlin, U.s. Soccer Player:] If that's the title, then that will be great, but there's obviously, you know, some amazing players coming through in Jon Brooks and Julian and Aaron and Micks, so I'm excited for what the future holds for us.
[Baldesarra:] He is just 20 years old. He actually grew up with his grandparents and came through the Seattle youth system, so it shows that the MLS is really growing. We're talking a lot about the growth of American soccer and it's starting within the American soccer league. He's just one of those young players.
[Cuomo:] Julian Green, who scored last night.
[Baldesarra:] He's another amazing youngster. You can just see his touch, his first touch on the ball, he has such technical awareness, such a gifted player. He's just 19 careers old.
[Cuomo:] He's 19, first World Cup performance, first time he touches the ball in the match he scores.
[Baldesarra:] It was unreal, unreal. The world said hello, Julian Green. This is a guy we can be excited about in 2018. He was a big score for Jurgen Klinsmann because Klinsmann really had to woo him so he did not sign not decide to play with Germany. And a lot of people said he was offered a spot for the future. The future began last night.
[Cuomo:] And to be honest, this game could have been over in regular time very easily with Belgium up maybe three, maybe four. They were obviously the more talented side at this point. Even I saw that. Their roster is stacked with premier league, the top league players. So this is not a surprise on that level.
[Baldesarra:] No, not at all. This was this was what was expected, and the USA just really held themselves in this game so well against them.
[Cuomo:] And the bigger victory, as far as I'm concerned, and I really do not believe it's a hedge. They didn't get it done on the field. They should be angry about that. They missed opportunities. The big names didn't show up the way they needed to. But the impact back home, the fact that my kids went out outside after the match and kicked around a soccer ball and dreamed of being the next Tim Howard, that's huge and shouldn't be underestimated in terms of the impact of success at the World Cup, in my humble opinion, with my big one of gap tape on. Lara Baldesarra, we'll be back with you. Thank you for teaching us the game in Brazil. Back to you in New York. One stands for many things.
[Bolduan:] Definitely. A very subtle, very subtle addition to the outfit today.
[Pereira:] I felt that was a nod to me, Chris, saying that you understood why I said Belgium was a threat. I was not concerned about the U.S. I was just merely saying, like he said, they were scary.
[Bolduan:] We'll get back to you, Chris. Lara, good luck with him. We're going to turn now to the big news we're watching this morning, to the crisis in Iraq, one of those big stories. The leader of ISIS is calling on Muslim extremists around the world to join his cause. He wants them to help build up the Islamic state that he declared just a few days ago. This comes as more deadly clashes are reported outside Baghdad where hundreds more U.S. military forces are on the ground. Let's turn to Barbara Starr who is at the Pentagon for us as always with much more. Good morning, Barbara.
[Barbara Starr, Cnn Pentagon Correspondent:] Good morning, Kate. Here at the Pentagon officials insist this is not mission creep. This is not escalation of force. But let's have a reality check. Three times, three times in the last two weeks the U.S. has now increased the number of forces in Iraq to deal with this crisis. It's now somewhere north of 750 and perhaps more on the way. The reality is the center of gravity for the U.S. now is Baghdad international airport. Why? Because ISIS fighting positions are just northwest of the airport. The U.S. has put troops there, officially saying they are there to protect U.S. facilities at the airport, but with is so close by, every military official I've spoken to privately says that the job now is to make sure the airport remains open and secure. Why is that? Because if ISIS makes a move on the airport, makes a move on Baghdad, the only way out for thousands of Americans in Baghdad working at the embassy is to be evacuated through the airport by the U.S. military. So there's a lot going on behind the scenes here. A lot of reality behind some of the talk that we officially hear from the administration. But who have we not heard from can be a very interesting question. Since all of this began, we've not heard publicly yet from Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel or the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey. So far they have not come out to talk about this, to talk about why U.S. troops are there and to explain it to both the troops and to U.S. military families. Kate?
[Bolduan:] That's obviously something the military families will be hoping to hear from next, very, very soon, someone they want to hear from very, very soon. Barbara, thanks very much. We'll get back to you. But later today, border patrol is expected to bring a group of undocumented immigrant families to a processing center in central California. They are being transferred to relieve overcrowding at border facilities in Texas. This comes, as you can see here, after protests actually blocked three buses from arriving at a federal facility in Marietta, California. Stephanie Elam has much more on this story.
[Crowd: Usa! Usa! Stephanie Elam, Cnn Correspondent:] Chants of "USA" gave way to a heated shouting match outside of a U.S. border patrol facility in southern California.
[Unidentified Male:] They are not born here. They are not born here. Go back to Mexico.
[Elam:] Holding signs that said "return to sender" and "stop illegal immigration," about 100 protesters blocked the road as three busloads of undocumented migrants approached the center where the immigrants, detained in Texas and then flown to California, would be processed by customs and border patrol.
[Unidentified Male:] You are obstructing the roadway.
[Elam:] The move is an attempt to ease the badly strained border patrol efforts in Texas.
[Ellen Meeks, Protesting The Migrants Arrival:] I just wish America would be America again because it's not, and it's just not pointed to the Hispanics. It's everybody needs to go through the legal ways.
[Elam:] Ron Zermeno is a border patrol agent here as well as a union official. He says processing migrants instead of enforcing the borders is only making the situation worse.
[Ron Zermeno, Border Patrol Agent:] The cartels are taking advantage of these people that are coming across. The smugglers are directing them, saying go to that border patrol agent on that hill and turn yourself in. As soon as they see the agents occupied with a group of 20, 30 people, the smugglers are then running their illicit drugs and they're running around it.
[Unidentified Male:] Send them back.
[Enrique Morones, President And Founder, Border Angels:] If these children were from Canada, we would not be having this interview.
[Elam:] But Enrique Morones argues this is a humanitarian issue as these families, some with young children, flee violence in their native countries.
[Morones:] Their parents have had enough. They are saying if I don't send my child north they are going to die. They're sending their children north. Let's welcome them here in California. Let's show the world that we really know how to treat our children.
[Elam:] Unable to pass, the buses eventually backed down the street and headed to another facility about an hour and a half away, gone from here for now, but still in the United States. The next 140 immigrants are expected to arrive on July Fourth. Stephanie Elam, CNN, Marietta, California.
[Pereira:] Stephanie, thanks for that report. Seriously a mess down at the border right now. We'll keep watching the story. Let's give you meanwhile a look at more of your headlines. Violence erupting in Jerusalem, boiling over this morning, our CNN crew got caught in the crossfire. Take a look.
[Atika Shubert, Cnn International Correspondent:] I'm going to spin the camera around very, very briefly here. Oh, excuse me. There's a lot of police trying to disperse us here. Sorry for all that noise, but it seems like they just let off a stun grenade near us. As you can see, Israeli police trying to disperse residents here who are very angry.
[Pereira:] Certainly a dramatic moment there. As you heard, that was a stun grenade going off near our correspondent Atika Shubert and her crew. They are safe, we should let you know. The outrage was sparked by the discovery of a body overnight in a wooded area in Jerusalem. Police are looking to see whether it was retaliation for the abduction and murder of three Israeli teenagers. The three were laid to rest Tuesday with a commitment from Israel's leaders to avenge their deaths at the hands of terrorists. The alleged leader of the 2012 attack on U.S. mission in Benghazi is expected in court today. Ahmed Abu Khattala will appear for a detention hearing in Washington, D.C. He's been charged in the attack that killed ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Prosecutors say they expect to add other charges against Khattala as their investigation continues. Score a victory for the NSA. The Independent Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight board says the spy agency's program targeting people overseas isn't just legal but that it also works. But the board did find that some parts of the program are borderline unconstitutional by gathering e-mails and phone calls from Americans communicating with foreign targets. Privacy advocates have slammed the program since Edward Snowden revealed it. That's a look at your headline at 13 minutes past the hour. This morning is taking long, isn't it, Kate?
[Bolduan:] It sure is. There's a lot going on. Coming up next on NEW DAY, the woman targeted in a controversial column about sexual assault, she is speaking out. She is a survivor herself and she's outraged. Her message about sexual assault on college campuses, and also her message for that man, George Will, the writer of that column.
[Pereira:] And INSIDE POLITICS, look at this, a check from President Obama made out to the U.S. treasury. Why does the American president think he owes the government money?

[Costello:] Democrats blocked the controversial Keystone pipeline bill and deal a big political blow to one of their own in the process. The bill, which needed the support of 60 senators to send it to President Obama's desk, missed the mark by just one vote. The defeat is especially stinging for Mary Landrieu, the Louisiana Democrat who's facing an uphill battle to go back to Washington after 18 years in the Senate. Landrieu hoped to use the bill's passage to show she still has power in Congress, but her attempts to get Democrats on board were not enough.
[Sen. Mary Landrieu , Louisiana:] There is no blame. There is only joy in the fight. Where I come from, we just never talk about quitting. And we don't talk about whining. After the game is over, and this is not a game, it was very serious, but when I played ball, whether you won or lot that day, you just shook the opponent's hand, you got up and you went to fight another day.
[Costello:] Her fight's much harder now, Dana Bash, because I think the Democrats have pulled the money. They're not helping her anymore. She's alone on an island.
[Bash:] She is and this was a really tough loss for Mary Landrieu politically and, of course, when it comes to the substance of what she was trying to do, approve this Keystone pipeline. She was pleading with every one of the Democratic colleagues. I talked to many of them that she put phone calls into, that she cornered on the Senate floor, in corners of the hallways of the Capitol. She was so close. Just one vote short of getting this passed. But she couldn't find that one last Democrat to do it. So, as you said, she is going to go back to Louisiana, fight to keep her seat in this runoff on December 6th. It was already an uphill climb for her to come back without a victory on this wouldn't directly affect Louisiana but because Louisiana is such an energy- important state, has such important energy interests, it would have maybe indirectly affect the state did not have that victory. But, look, she has been in runoffs before. I have covered them before in Louisiana. She has been very far behind. She's been able to pull it off. She and her family are very powerful there. So I wouldn't count her out, but it's going to be very difficult.
[Costello:] The Keystone pipeline itself, Congress is likely to vote on that next year, right, when Republicans control both houses of Congress and it's likely to pass, right?
[Bash:] Absolutely, to pass pass big time because Republicans are either going to have 53 or 54 votes in the Senate. All of them support the Keystone pipeline. You add the Democrats who do support it. I believe 10 who voted yes yesterday are coming back and, of course, in the House, there's going to be a very big Republican majority. They'll pass it easily, as they always have. So the White House was breathing a sigh of relief last night that they didn't have to deal with the question of to sign it or to veto it. To veto something that their fellow Democrat, Mary Landrieu, really wanted. But it's going to be a short-lived sigh of relief because it's going to be right in their lap probably very early next year. Republicans are promising to do so. It doesn't look like they would have a veto proof majority, but this is going to be something that we're that is going to be coming back into the fold and might be, when you look at the broader context of horse trading and negotiating on other issues, might be something that is going to be in the mix for Democrats and Republicans to talk about because there is so much bipartisan support for this for this, even though it definitely divides people on the environmental issues. People Democrats have made this their number one rallying cry, saying that they cannot let this pass.
[Costello:] We'll see what happens next year. Dana Bash reporting live for us. Thanks so much.
[Bash:] Thanks, Carol.
[Costello:] I'll be right back.

[Samantha Schacher, Guest Host:] Tonight, the Honey Boo Boo family scandal explodes.
[Mama June:] Life throws some crazy things at you.
[Schacher:] Hear from Mama June and her daughter Anna. Plus, street harassment video goes viral.
[Unidentified Male:] Damn! Damn!
[Schacher:] The woman at the center of it is here, live. DR. DREW ON CALL starts right now. Good evening. I`m Sam Schacher, filling in for Dr. Drew. I`m joined by Mike Catherwood, Dr. Drew`s "Loveline" co-host. Mike, that missing Denver Bronco`s fan has been found alive.
[Mike Catherwood, Loveline:] Yes, it`s crazy. What a bizarre story. He disappeared Thursday night at half time of the Denver Bronco`s game. We`re going to hear from his family later tonight.
[Schacher:] Wow. But, first, Honey Boo Boo`s oldest sister Anna was molested when she was 8. Her abuser is out of jail and allegedly back in the arms of his former lover, Mama June. We`ll hear from Anna and Mama June in just a moment. Watch this.
[Mama June:] If you watch the show, we are a very loving family. Don`t get me wrong
[Dr. Drew Pinsky:] TLC has now cancelled "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" when a report surfaced that Mama June is dating a convicted sex offender.
[Mama June:] Life throws some crazy things at you.
[Pinsky:] Radar Online reports that Mama June began a relationship with this man over a decade ago.
[Schacher:] So June Shannon as most of you know as Mama June has posted a denial on the Honey Boo Boo website.
[Unidentified Female:] How desperate and stupid does a mother have to be to date a convicted child molester?
[Schacher:] I`m really concerned about this 20-year-old, Dr. Drew, who now has to see her mother parade around with her perpetrator.
[Unidentified Female:] She wants the world to know that she feels betrayed, that her mother has let the child molester back into her life.
[Schacher:] She was forced to give him oral sex, Dr. Drew, that was the charge at 8 years old. Wow, those pictures are from TMZ. Mama June`s video is from Facebook. Anna is now 20. Here`s what she tells "Entertainment Tonight`s" Nischelle Turner. Take a look.
[Anna:] I`m mad, I`m upset. I feel betrayed and I just feel I feel very hurt. That`s the main thing, I feel very hurt that mama let him come around.
[Nischelle Turner, Et:] You feel like she chose a child molester over you?
[Anna:] Yes, and she`s happy. She was smiling and laughing and giggling when he`s around, knowing the fact, you know, that he`s a child molester, mama. He did this to me. Why would you let him come around the girls knowing what he did?
[Schacher:] Wow. Joining us, Leeann Tweeden, social commentator and host of "The Tomboys" podcast on Blog Talk Radio, Mark Eiglarsh from SpeaktoMark.com, Danielle Robay, TV host and reporter. And on the phone, ET`s Nischelle Turner, who interviewed Anna. Michelle, tell us, is Anna angry, sad? What are her emotions right now?
[Turner:] All of the above, Pam. She`s a confused young woman at this point. Like you heard her say just a moment ago, her biggest question is why? She has a lot of why questions. Why did her mother never believe her when she told her at 8 years old that this man was doing this to her? Why all these years at her mother continued to not believe her. Why is her mother never really talk to her about this? And now, why is this man back in the picture and back around her little sister?
[Schacher:] Right. Now, Nischelle, has Anna had any contact with Mama June, do you know?
[Turner:] She has had contact with her. I mean, they`ve had numerous conversations about what`s going on. Anna told me when she first saw the photos, of course, she confronted her mother about this and her mother denied that they were dating. But she did say the man had been around and around the kids, which is in contradiction to the most she put on Facebook. She definitely said they had been spending time together. She let her daughter, this is Anna I`m talking about, let her daughter spend some time with her mother about a week and a half ago. This was before all of this really kind of hit. So, I asked her, was this man around your 2-year-old daughter? She said she didn`t know and she`s afraid of that now.
[Schacher:] Right. OK. Well, Mama June reportedly split from Honey Boo Boo`s biological father, Mike "Sugar Bear" Thompson, in September, but Splash News just captured in this photo. Mike, they look happy. I mean, is this a publicity stunt? What is your reaction?
[Catherwood:] J just feel so sorry, after all of this, I feel so sorry for Anna because even though she`s a grown adult now and she has her own family, you look to your parents above and beyond anything to protect you. To have someone who betrayed you and who broke the boundaries that we all live in so egregiously by molesting her, to be brought back into the family circle by none other than her mother I mean, she must be going through utter emotional torment.
[Schacher:] Yes, it`s further revictimizing her. Leeann, you always speak from the heart of a mom. So, please, what is your reaction to this story?
[Leeann Tweeden, Social Commentator:] Oh, look, I think Mama June should have all her children taken away from her. I mean, first of all, she doesn`t believe her daughter. She didn`t believe her when she was 8 years old. The man went to prison for 10 years for molesting her daughter and now, she`s back with him when he gets out of jail? So, I mean, of course, she`s being revictimized. Now, is Nischelle still on the phone? Just curious.
[Schacher:] Do we have Nischelle on the phone, control room? OK. We`re going to get her back. Hold on to your question, Leeann.
[Tweeden:] OK.
[Schacher:] Mark, in response to what Leeann just said, there are reports that CPS is now involved. So, should Mama June`s other children be removed from her care as Leeann suggested?
[Mark Eiglarsh, Attorney:] I would say definitely maybe. Let`s sit down with her and increase her level of awareness and explain to her the impact of when a mother doesn`t believe her own daughter who clearly was abused. Generically, we know abuse victims are 60 percent more likely to commit juvenile offenses and 30 percent more likely to commit offenses as an adult. You add in there that the parent doesn`t believe the child, society and that girl are going to deal with a whole host of negative problems.
[Schacher:] OK. We have Nischelle on the phone, rather. Danielle, do you have any questions for her, and then Leeann?
[Danielle Robay, Reporter:] I think that child molestation is a compulsive behavior, so there`s a high rate of recidivism, as Mark said. The fact that Mama June let this man 100 feet from her front door is despicable to me.
[Schacher:] Right. Yes, Leeann, you had a question for Nischelle.
[Tweeden:] Yes, Nischelle, I`m just curious, with Anna, when she came for the interview, what was with her support group? Who was with her? Is somebody supporting her that`s either a distant family member? Who was with her when she came to your interview?
[Turner:] She was with her husband and her 2-year-old daughter Caitlin. She said, you know, she`s been having a really hard time. TLC offered her counseling. She hadn`t taken them up on it yet, but she was going to. But, you know, she admitted that a lot of her family and a lot of friends are asking her, why would you open your mouth and start to talk about this and put your business out there and let everybody know? And she said, you know, because I don`t want this to happen to someone else. There may be another little girl out there who has it done to them, who feels afraid and like they`ve done something wrong. She felt like she needed to speak up about it. Her husband definitely supported her about it, but she said he`s been on the fence about her talking, but he just didn`t want her to have to relive all this.
[Tweeden:] Is it true she`s never been through any counseling up into this point, ever even when she was 8?
[Schacher:] She has not.
[Turner:] She did talk to her school counselor about it. That`s who she told originally. As far as formal counseling? No.
[Schacher:] Yes. And also, Mama June denies she`s having a relationship with Mark Anthony Daniel and posted this on her Facebook, quote, "It isn`t true. I promised my kids are my number one priority and I would never put them in danger. They are my life. This is my path. I left him 10 years ago and I wouldn`t go back." OK, Mark, you`re having a reaction to this. And then, Mike, I want to hear from Mike after this.
[Eiglarsh:] OK, number one priority? If they`re your number one priority, regardless of whether you brought the man into your life again, I don`t care about that. You sit down with your daughter and say, honey, I failed you. I didn`t believe you, because I was just whatever, eating too much spaghetti with ketchup, whatever the hell that woman eats.
[Schacher:] Right.
[Eiglarsh:] But now, I believe you and I`m sorry. What can I do to make this right?
[Schacher:] Exactly. And, Mike, you have a daughter now. What would you do? Can you imagine ever exposing your daughter into an environment where she`s been harmed?
[Catherwood:] All kidding aside, I truly can`t. And I I`m not trying in any way to defend this man`s behavior. Child molestation, child abuse is the most despicable thing anyone can do. But he served his time. He served his punishment in the eyes of the law. And the one who is the most reprehensible person involved in this situation is Mama June for even thinking about allowing this person back into her life. Frankly, I`m surprised that someone as elegant and composed as Mama June would be involved with a scum bag like this. It was out of left field.
[Schacher:] All right. Tell us how you really feel, Mike. OK, coming up next, we`ll hear more from Mama June and Anna. And later, straight harassment. The actress who appears in this video gone viral. There is she is. She`s also received rape threats, you guys. You`re watching DR. DREW ON CALL. Back after this.

[Amanpour:] Welcome back to the program. Now the eyes of many other nations are on Scotland and what they might call an insidious separatist movement here, including China, which, as we know, stares down such challenges. But a very different period of Chinese history is open to the world at London's renowned British Museum today. It's an exhibition called "Ming: 50 Years that Changed China." Most of us know the Ming dynasty because of its iconic blue and white porcelain. As curator Jessica Harrison-Hall told me, to understand China's massive footprint on the world today and tomorrow, it is vital to know its past. Why did you choose Ming?
[Jessica Harrison-hall, Curator, The British Museum:] We chose this period because it's got such an interesting material culture and because of so many new things that have been discovered, for example, the gold ewer over there
[Amanpour:] Over there, yes.
[Harrison-hall:] was literally in China's earth in 2002. So we're bringing these things which were only discovered within the last 10 years or so and putting them alongside traditional things that people are more familiar with.
[Amanpour:] This is not so usual for non-scholars and non-experts. That is a whole color scheme that none of us perhaps associate with what we internalize as Ming, blue and white.
[Harrison-hall:] Absolutely. I mean, there are only two of these in the world. They're
[Amanpour:] Only two in the world?
[Harrison-hall:] only two in the world. One is in Switzerland, which is its pair, and then this one. It was made for the Xuande Emperor between 1426 and '35 and its production was overseen by a eunuch agency within the Forbidden City. So you're looking at the earliest piece of finely crafted Chinese cloisonne in the world.
[Amanpour:] And eunuchs were, what, the group who made all this?
[Harrison-hall:] They were the group that supervised their production. Eunuchs were men who and sometimes boys who were castrated from the age of 10, brought into the palace to look after the needs of the imperial family. But gradually in this period, they became more and more educated and their roles became increasingly important. And one of those eunuchs led the voyages to the East Coast of Africa in the early 1400s.
[Amanpour:] And that is really incredible, given China's association with Africa right now.
[Harrison-hall:] That's right. I mean, to think of these flotillas of boats, 600 boats, traveling with 27,000 men, most of whom were armed, arriving in these different communities to reestablish trade is extraordinary.
[Amanpour:] It was trade and not conquering?
[Harrison-hall:] Definitely not conquering. But it was an armed force that were prepared to involve themselves in local conflict if they were required. They were reopening the yen trading routes. So they were bringing people back to China. They were bringing goods back to China. Everything from special scented woods to perishable goods to animals, giraffes, exotic animals which would then join the
[Amanpour:] And they would never have seen a giraffe before.
[Harrison-hall:] Absolutely not.
[Amanpour:] What did these special 50 years, the first 50 years of the Ming dynasty, do for China? How did it revolutionize China in the Middle Ages?
[Harrison-hall:] Very much by moving the capital to Beijing from Nanjing. Before this period, China's capital moves around all the time. It's been in Luoyang, Hangzhou, Xi'an, many others, different places. But from this point onwards, Beijing becomes the capital and there it stays. But the moving of the capital north creates a character of China that we know today.
[Amanpour:] Tell me about the porcelain with the gold top.
[Harrison-hall:] This is a very, very special it was excavated from Liangzhuang Wang's tomb in Hubei. Before this was discovered in 2002, we only knew about this from paintings. So when we found an actual blue and white stem cup, with the cover, with the silver stand, we could see how they were used in paintings. It was a remarkable discovery.
[Amanpour:] Is it unique?
[Harrison-hall:] It is utterly unique. There's only one of these in the entire
[Amanpour:] Only that one in the world? And on these porcelain Chinese vases, there is Islamic calligraphy, Islamic design.
[Harrison-hall:] Yes, absolutely.
[Amanpour:] How important is that?
[Harrison-hall:] You've picked a very pertinent point because, in fact, both the Islamic design at the top here and the shape of this ewer in the Islamic form are very, very fashionable in the early 1500s. And this is partly because of contact with those countries and also partly because of things which were left behind by the Mongols when they fled China and were copied in porcelain at this period. This is a vogue at court, which only lasts for about 30 years.
[Amanpour:] Here we're walking into the arts of war section of this exhibition. Was it a very expansionist time for the Chinese, for the Mings?
[Harrison-hall:] It's a terrifically important time for military culture. In fact, at the early Ming, I would say that military culture is more important than civil culture.
[Amanpour:] They didn't skimp on their equipment. This is an incredible saddle. Is that the emperor's saddle?
[Harrison-hall:] Well, it's the most extraordinary saddle because it's iron and then covered with gold foil, inlaid with turquoise the pale blue and then lapis lazuli for the deep blue.
[Amanpour:] What do you think is the significance, the importance of this kind of exhibition, of this period of Chinese art and culture?
[Harrison-hall:] I think what it tells us is how sophisticated and how globally engaged China was before the arrival of Europe. Often Ming history has told us China awakened through the arrival of the Europeans in the early 16th century. But from all the beautiful things that surround us and all the interesting things that you can see in the exhibition, that idea is very old. And the new scholarship tells us how deeply engaged with the whole world China was in the early 15th century.
[Amanpour:] What is this long scroll of what looks like ledger activities?
[Harrison-hall:] Well, this is one of the portraits of the emperors that we borrowed from the palace museum in Beijing and it shows the emperor engaged in different sports with his eunuchs, keeping everybody fit and ready for battle.
[Amanpour:] So this is...?
[Harrison-hall:] This is him engaged in watching an archery competition. And here we have football. So these eunuchs, front, have got a ball that they're playing keepy-uppy, which strengthens
[Amanpour:] Keepy-uppy?
[Harrison-hall:] Yes.
[Amanpour:] I love it. So did the Chinese invent football in here? Or did the British?
[Harrison-hall:] Oh, I think Chinese invented most things.
[Amanpour:] So after a break, another game-changing vote in Scotland today, and we'll tell you more when we come back.

[Harlow:] Bottom of the hour now. Welcome back, everyone. I'm Poppy Harlow.
[Blackwell:] I'm Victor Blackwell. Here are five things you need to know for your new day. At number one, a tornado last night smashed as many as a dozen homes in Wayne, Nebraska. Incredibly, no one was killed. You hear those sirens there. The mayor says several people were hurt. And the American Red Cross is sending teams to the area to help.
[Harlow:] Number two, a man is hospitalized in critical condition after reportedly setting himself on fire at the National Mall. This happened yesterday afternoon. And witnesses used their clothes to try to put out the flames. Paramedics rushed him to the hospital and police are investigating just why this happened.
[Blackwell:] And you'll get a kick out of number three. Workers at the National Weather Service in Alaska hid a clever message in their forecast. Look at the yellow here. The letters down the left side of this bulletin spell out "please pay us." The weather service is operating with a reduced staff during the federal government shutdown. Right now, employees are not getting a paycheck.
[Harlow:] Number four, fall just started, but hey, it looks like the dead of winter in South Dakota. Some parts of the state could get more heavy wet snow today. Tens of thousands of people already without power. Officials are using urging drivers to stay off the roads. And number five, that heavy snow also caused power outages and shutdowns in parts of the interstate in neighboring Wyoming. High winds caused snowdrifts four feet high. Making it tough for troopers to reach stranded drivers. Let's bring in meteorologist Alexandra Steele in the CNN Severe Weather Center. It's just amazing to me. It's not even Halloween and we're having this weather. Is it here to stay?
[Alexandra Steele, Ams Meteorologist:] Yeah, it is. You know, three of the top five we had weather as issues. And, you know, you haven't even mentioned some of the issues we've got also, extreme fire day danger and tropical storm making landfall. So, here's a look. Again, bull's-eye here. Especially Rapid City, South Dakota, western South Dakota historic and certainly record-breaking snow. Another 20 inches potentially today. Of course, we talked about the tornadoes yesterday. Reports of 17 in three states. Now the axis of tornadoes today shifts eastward. Madison, Wisconsin, to Chicago. Down to St. Louis. Again, the greatest threat today will be winds, though, and even some hail. And of course, Tropical Storm Karen, there it is in the gulf. Where is it going and when will it make landfall. Two potential landfalls here. I'll show you where we could see that coming up, guys.
[Harlow:] All right, thank you so much, Alexandra, I appreciate it. We want to move on to this story now. We're learning more about the woman who police in Washington say led them on a frightening chase this week. In the end she was shot dead.
[Blackwell:] Yeah, Miriam Carey's family said she had suffered from postpartum depression with psychosis.
[Harlow:] Her boyfriend said that Carey had trouble sleeping. He also said that she had delusions that she was under some sort of surveillance, he was worried about the safety of their child together. Carey's relatives say they want an investigation into her death and they also question what the boyfriend was saying about her being delusional. Take a listen.
[Amy Carey-jones, Miriam Carey's Sister:] It's very unfortunate that Miriam is not alive right now. And a lot of things are being said that she seemed to be crazy or schizophrenic or things like that. I can tell you that she was a woman that was a law abiding citizen. Carefree, loving just like anyone else. She had a baby and she did suffer from postpartum depression with psychosis, which comes along with medication and therapy. Which she did. She was very compliant with her medication. At the time that she was diagnosed with that, as you know, depression can have a certain level of instability at that time which is why she was diagnosed.
[Harlow:] Well, the role that mental illness may have played in Thursday's Capitol Hill shooting has a lot of people searching for answers this morning, including Carey's family.
[Blackwell:] So, let's open this up, answer some questions here, what are postpartum depression and psychosis? And what are the warning signs for both the new mothers and for their families.
[Harlow:] All right, so joining us to discuss all of this psychologist Erik Fisher known as Dr. E. Let's begin with this. I think it's a very important differentiation to make.
[Dr. Erik Fisher:] Right.
[Harlow:] Postpartum depression is fairly common for new mothers. And postpartum depression with psychosis or postpartum psychosis is very rare. So, let's talk about the difference.
[Fisher:] Well, I think first we want to start off by talking about the baby blues. The baby blues is very common. Because you have this rush of hormone activity after the child's born it can affect somebody's emotions and these hormones are going to influence, you know, our neural biologies, which is going to affect our perception of the world reality. Postpartum depression occurs in about nine to anywhere from nine to 19 percent or what different studies say. Postpartum psychosis is about 0.1 percent. But what we have to understand are the difference in the symptoms from somebody who's having a baby blues where they might have bouts of sadness, difficulty eating. Mood swings, things like that, hard time sleeping to more significant issues of depression that come with a postpartum depression. This can also come with difficulty of attaching to your child. Thoughts of hurting your child and even some isolation issues that can occur on that. Postpartum psychosis, the difficulty with that you're really losing touch with reality. And you can have delusions. You can have auditory and visual hallucinations. And the key to depression and psychosis both of them need to be managed often psychiatrically with medication. It's not something that people can just work their way through like the baby blues.
[Blackwell:] Now, the Carey family wants to know if protocol was followed properly in this situation. Is there any way with a woman who was driving this, as it's been called 1400 pound weapon, to reason with the person who is in this state?
[Fisher:] You know, when people get in the state of delusion, you know, delusional beliefs, what they believe is they are right. That's the way they see the world. One of the things about she might have been treated and come through this very well. However, sometimes even menstrual cycles can trigger a relapse of some symptoms. So, we don't know what happened here. And I think that's it's important that we kind of talk generally about this situation. But you have to look at other risk factors, too. Traumatic brain injury can be a risk factor. Previous history of psycho-effective disorders in a family. Any other traumas could be triggers that could lead down this road to some of these outcomes that we see in this situation.
[Blackwell:] All right, Dr. E. We appreciate your expertise. There's still some discrepancies on any injuries, anything that might have happened leading up to this.
[Harlow:] A lot of questions.
[Blackwell:] build out that full fixture. We may never know exactly what she was thinking then. But we thank you for discussion.
[Harlow:] Thank you for joining us.
[Blackwell:] Thanks for having me.
[Harlow:] I appreciate it.
[Blackwell:] OK, so, you have to admit, the government shutdown is not much to see, actually. There are no explosions, no wreckage, raising and raging fires or rushing floodwaters or anything like that.
[Harlow:] Although people are that angry.
[Blackwell:] Yeah, that's true, some people are.
[Harlow:] But the war of words coming out of the mouths of politicians, they've been dropping like 4th of July fireworks over the Washington Monument.
[Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz , Dnc Chairwoman:] We will not associate jeopardizing the economy with whether or not everyone in America is going to have access to health care. That's irrational and irresponsible.
[Rep. John Boehner,  House Speaker:] Senate decided not to work yesterday. Well, my goodness, if there's such an emergency, where are they?
[Sen. Ted Cruz,  Texas:] I think we ought to start passing continuing resolutions narrowly focused on each of the things the president listed.
[Sen. Dick Durbin  Illinois:] For goodness sakes this is irresponsible and it's reckless. Why do these senators of the Tea Party Republicans think they can pick and choose the priorities of the American government?
[Boehner:] All we're asking for here is a discussion, and fairness for the American people under Obamacare. I wish, I would hope that the president and my Democrat colleagues in the Senate will listen.
[Sen. Charles Shumer  New York:] Speaker Boehner's in this position because sadly he's become a puppet with Ted Cruz pulling the strings.
[Anderson Cooper, Cnn Anchor:] Ted Cruz says fraud?
[Rep. Peter King , New York:] Those who have spoken to him think he's crazy.
[Sen. Harry Reid, , Majority Leader:] John Boehner, this is not about you, and it's not about Harry Reid. It's about our country. It's about our national security.
[Boehner:] This isn't some damn game. The American people don't want their government to shut down. And neither do I.
[Harlow:] Well, you heard it right there.
[Blackwell:] Yeah.
[Harlow:] War of words and it continues.
[Blackwell:] Apparently we're going to hear more.
[Harlow:] All right, also coming up, swarms of killer hornets. This is very serious. Sounds like a crazy movie but it's serious. They're terrorizing people across China.
[Blackwell:] While experts say these giants are a bigger problem than ever.

[Phillips:] Ex-NFL star Darren Sharper was charged today with drugging and raping two women. One in October and the other last month. That's according to the district attorney's office in Los Angeles. He is expected to be arraigned today. And that's not all. The five-time pro-bowler faces rape investigations in New Orleans and Las Vegas. Well, the NFL may never be the same again after a report today about bullying in the locker room. The report by the investigator Ted Wells says that Jonathan Martin was relentlessly harassed by these three men who all played on the offensive line with him. John Jerry, a guard who was drafted in 2010, Mike Pouncey, also a guard, drafted one year later who played in the pro bowl just last year and, of course, Richie Incognito, the player most vilified for the alleged abuse. The report actually says that Martin wasn't this trio's only victim, but that another player, even a trainer were also bullied. CNN's Joe Carter joining me now with more. Pretty damning report.
[Joe Carter, Cnn Correspondent:] Really. Really bad. I was surprised. It's 148 pages. So, Ted Wells was very thorough in this investigation. And it took a lot longer than we expected. We expected the results to come back last week. But I tell you, the most damaging part about this is that the harassment was so persistent and it was so damaging that Jonathan Martin not only felt like he had to leave the team, but he contemplated killing himself not once, but twice in 2013.
[Phillips:] And we heard some of those voice mails.
[Carter:] Those voice mails.
[Phillips:] They were awful.
[Carter:] Were awful. And, you know, and Incognito's side tried to combat that by releasing several text messages between the two that showed that there was an engagement, that shows that there was a friendship. Ted Wells' report says that it got so bad for Jonathan Martin that he felt like he had to engage with them, he had to join in to hopefully lessen the amount of harassment that he's receiving. You know how that is. That's text book victim versus bully. OK, well, I will join and I'll kind of be like them. So maybe it's a little bit less on me. Some of the other damaging things, as you said in the intro, it's not just Jonathan Martin. There was another offensive lineman and it was a trainer and the kind of abuse that it was, was on a consistent daily basis talking about their mother, talking about their race, talking about their families. Talking about their sexuality. So it comes from all different angles, hitting them where it hurts most. Embarrassment. Jonathan Martin in this report said that he has a history of a lack of self-confidence. That during junior high and during high school, he felt that he was a lesser of a person. So, maybe that contributed to the fact that he didn't feel self-confidence some of the other players. Because we know, we all know that the workplace environment in the NFL much different than the workplace environment, perhaps, her at CNN. But still, to the point where somebody felt like they hadn't only removed themselves from that environment, but also contemplated taking their life not once, but two different times.
[Phillips:] You know, there is a lot of workplaces that could be pretty nasty and a lot of things that go on behind closed doors, but I think it's interesting, you know, in sports, guys are rough, they are tough. They give each other a hard time. So, I don't think a lot of people were surprised by this, but extremely disappointed. And I think this is going to completely change policy. Yes? I mean are we hearing from the Dolphins? Are we hearing from Incognito or the other two?
[Carter:] Well, as far as the players go, we've not heard from either of the three players. The Incognito, John Jerry or Mike Pouncey. The Dolphins did release the statement, and basically they are saying that we want to review this, that they want to, obviously, look if detail before they respond to some sort of, you know, punishment, relative to the findings. They asked, the NFL, to conduct this independent review and the Dolphins felt like it was important to take a step back and thoroughly research these serious allegations and obviously as an organization the Dolphins believe that they are committed to a team- first accountability and respect for one another. But you would have to think that given Roger Goodell's history, given his heavy handedness towards anything that goes against rules and policies in the NFL, you have to think that there are definitely going to be some punishments that are going to be laid out for the three players that are involved.
[Phillips:] And there should be certain lines you just can't cross.
[Carter:] It's surprising. You know, in this one of the other things that really jumped out to me here is that Jonathan Martin, 300 pounds, 6'3". Big enough and strong enough to play in the NFL felt helpless. He's felt he said he felt so helpless by these verbal assaults that he was unable to stop them. Because he felt like a true pushover. And so that's when he felt like maybe I will join them and maybe then they will accept me. But they got to the point where just he had to leave the team and then obviously, felt that...
[Phillips:] He's the better person. He needs the real you know, he wasn't the one doing the bulling. It was these other three. So.
[Carter:] 148 pages. It's a lot to go through, but I think this story, we have some resolution, but I think there's still more to come.
[Phillips:] Thanks, Joe. And coming up at 3:00 Eastern, I'm actually going to talk to a former NFL player. What did he see in the locker room and does he think this is a normal behavior? And should it -what should be done? Tune in for that the next hour. Well, right now the jury is deliberating in the so-called loud music murder trial. They are trying to determine if Michael Dunn killed Jordan Davis in cold blood or in self-defense. But while we wait for the verdict, Dunn's attorney is speaking out, driving home one of the arguments that he made in court. Stay with us.

[Kaye:] Just a short time ago, a funeral began for one of the officers who was killed in Vegas by that so-called anti-government couple. This is Officer Igor Soldo. He was 31-years-old. He leaves behind a new baby and a wife. Police say Jerad and Amanda Miller ambushed him and Officer Alyn Beck, Sunday at a pizza restaurant. The Millers then ran to a nearby Walmart where they killed Joseph Wilcox before barricading themselves inside the store during the shootout with officers. Police shot and killed Jared Miller. His wife shot herself. Wilcox had tried to stop the Millers with his concealed handgun inside the Walmart. CNN learned that authorities had three previous encounters with the Millers this year. A sheriff says they were all without incident, but that statement is raising some eyebrows because, in February in a call to the DMV, Jerad Miller threatened to shoot authorities who came to arrest him. He was angry because his suspended license was taken during a traffic stop. We have some of that audio for you now.
[Jared Miller, Accused Vegas Shooter:] I'm looking at a $525 ticket for driving while on a suspended license and, you know, that's a whole month of rent. I can't get a job. Like, I'm really [bleep] sick tired of all these [bleep] laws and regulations. It's absolutely insane. As a person of the DMV, can you tell me how many laws are on the books concerning drivers?
[Unidentified Male:] Unfortunately, no, I can't tell you like an exact number. I can only refer you to go online to our Web site at MyDMV.com or not MyDMV NV.gov.
[Miller:] Well, I'm going to court down here in Nevada and contest this ticket, and I'm just going to tell them straight up that Indiana's whole court system is messed up. It's not my fault and that he needs to drop the case, and if he doesn't then I'm going to be forwarding this bill to you guys. And if they come to arrest me for noncompliance or whatever, I'm just going to start shooting people.
[Kaye:] Nevada detectives who interviewed Miller about that incident did not see any sign of potential threats. All right, how many of us remember going to school with nerds or what about longing to be in with that cool crowd? There's a new study out that says that those cool kids aren't actually so hip once they have grown up. In fact, they have more problems with relationships and other successes. CNN digital correspondent Kelly Wallace, joining me now with a much closer look at this study, "The Revenge of the Nerds," can we call it that?
[Kelly Wallace, Cnn Digital Correspondent:] You sure can.
[Kaye:] What problems are these so-called cool kids having now?
[Wallace:] More likely to be doing drugs and alcohol or using alcohol and having problems with alcohol and drugs, more likely to be committing crimes. And then when they are young adults and have you people and say how long did they get along with their friends and acquaintances, they get much lower ratings than their not so cool friends.
[Kaye:] They were popular, got invited to all of the parties and the behavior, for some reason, I guess coolness doesn't lead to success?
[Wallace:] No. And part of it is what is cool back when you're 13, at 23, if you're like drinking three six packs a weekend people say that's not so cool. That's pathetic. Also, they are taking shortcuts. They are not doing things that we in the not so cool crowd did, working on relationships, and they are not doing those things that help you on that path to better relationships and things that are viewed as more success down the road.
[Kaye:] All right. What are the implications, then, for today's teens and parents? What do they take away?
[Wallace:] Big implications for middle schoolers. If you don't feel like you're the cool person and you're not in the in crowd, don't worry, right?
[Kaye:] What if somebody else told us that?
[Wallace:] I know. And for parents who might be worried if their kid doesn't seem so popular at 13 or 14 not invited to the parties not so cool, don't focus on the short-term. Look at the long term on the paths to success.
[Kaye:] It's so hard when you're in it and you want to be cool, it's hard to tell your kids it's OK not to be.
[Wallace:] We laugh and say it seems so obvious but it didn't seem so obvious when you were 13.
[Kaye:] No. It's fascinating. I want to read the rest of that study, see what I can learn about the not-so-cool kids. Kelly Wallace, thank you very much. Sure appreciate it. Nice to see you.
[Wallace:] Great to see you.
[Kaye:] And thank you, everyone, for joining us this afternoon. Have a great rest of your afternoon. Time for Jake Tapper to pick it up with "THE LEAD." Have a great day.

[Hammer:] Of course, Oprah Winfrey has some terrific shows on her own network. One of them is called "Iyanla! Fix My Life". Well, we might have the title of a new show on the works for Oprah, it`s number on our countdown, Oprah, fix my toilet. I mean come on, check out this Instagram photo. It went up from Oprah`s BFF Gayle King, actually saw this the minute it went off and I said, really, Oprah? Are you fixing your own toilet? She was. At her home in Maui. You know, there`s not always somebody around to help, I guess. Gayle posted this with the caption, "Stars, they are just like us. Oprah at her other job, plumber." Unreal. Back with me, in Hollywood, comedian DeRay Davis, he hosts GSN`s "Mind of a Man," and entertainment reporter Stuart Brazell. Charlamagne from MTV2`s "Guy Court" is in New York. Let me go to you, because this is your mom, after all, Charlamagne. It begs the question, is there anything that your mom can`t do?
[Charlamagne:] Well, yeah. She`s my mother in my head. My last name is [inaudible]. And it hurts my heart to see over her fixing her own toilet. Like where is where you need them, like who`s busy in Oprah`s world, too busy in Oprah`s world that they can`t help her fix her own toilet. It`s like she`s still in the movie "The Butler" or something. Like please, get off the toilet, mom.
[Hammer:] I mean really, she literally sticks....
[Davis:] I like it, though, because if you`re in the bathroom by yourself, who are you going to call to come in there? You don`t know what the situation was prior to that.
[Brazell:] Prior to the issue?
[Hammer:] We`re going to leave it there.
[Davis:] I`m just saying.
[Hammer:] Stuart, Charlamagne, DeRay, thank you all for being here so much. And be sure to check out "Guy Court" on MTV2 and "Mind of a Man" on GSN. And, of course, "Dirty and Thirty" online. From inside Oprah`s bathroom to the inner workings of how the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders work, hula hoops can pick a wheel. Number one on our top ten countdown, going where no fan has gone before. Up close in personal with their belly buttons. It`s the wild viral video that has fans of the most famous cheerleaders in the world jumping through hoops to watch. Here`s CNN Jeanne Moos for "SBT."
[Jeanne Moos, Cnn Correspondent:] It`s the little camera that makes you feel like you`re along for the ride on a surfboard or a roller coaster or inside a dishwasher. And now the go pro has gone where few have gone before, around and around and around the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders on a hula-hoop.
[Unidentified Male:] Yeah, we`re really wanting to show off our girls.
[Moos:] So, while the Cowboy Cheerleaders were down to Mexico shooting their 24 team calendar, they shot a few hoops.
[Unidentified Male:] So, I`ve got this little camera contraption right here that go pro sits right in there.
[Moos:] It weighs about a pound. So they had to fill the rest of the hoop with the lead beads to counterbalance the camera that the whole hoop ended up weighing about four pounds.
[Unidentified Female:] Sorry. I wouldn`t break the camera.
[Moos:] This is a go pro. Costs anywhere between $200 to $400. And you can pretty much mount them anywhere. From a trombone, to a sword, to a violin bow. So why not a hula-hoop? In fact, it had already been famously done at the Burning Man Festival in 2012. By a group calling itself Hula Fantastica. Their Venice Beach video was the inspiration for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. But it was an uphill battle for the cheerleaders.
[Unidentified Male:] They hadn`t had a lot of experience with hula hoops. They couldn`t get those cool twirls.
[Moos:] But Corbin Perkins, the Cowboy`s multimedia editor, seemed to get the hang of it. He can be seen diving into the beach grass. Get out of the shop on the cheerleaders [inaudible]. Nobody seemed to be complaining about the skill level. Instead, there were comments like, "That is one lucky hula-hoop!" "I wanna be that Hula Hoop." Next best thing, to be the hula-hoop handler is like being a fly on the wall of the hula-hoop, dizzying.
[Hammer:] Well, it was only a matter of time, right? We are keeping things moving in a slightly different direction now with an NFL superstar who never, ever listens to his haters, but it`s not for the reasons you might think.
[Unidentified Male:] They gave up on me, told me I should just quit.
[Hammer:] Tonight`s moment of awesomeness will remind you that you can do just about anything when you listen to yourself. This is "SBT" on HLN.

[Harlow:] In three hours, we could have our first Triple Crown winner in 36 years. After winning the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness, California Chrome is looking to complete the trifecta at today's Belmont Stakes. With the win he would be just the 12th Triple Crown winner ever. Richard Roth has the latest from the track in Belmont, New York.
[Richard Roth, Cnn Correspondent:] It is horse racing's biggest prize and it is on the line here at Belmont Park in New York. California Chrome, the three-year-old colt, will run for racing glory here before more than 100,000 people.
[Roth:] Affirmed won horse racing's most prestigious prize, the triple crown. At the time winning the triple crown seemed easy. Secretariat was one of three horses in five years to take the triple crown. However, it has been 36 years since a horse won the Triple Crown. That's the longest gap ever between crown winners. Only 11 horses have done it since 1990. Now it is 2014 and California Chrome could be the horse. A triple crown is made up of three elite races. He took the first leg on the first Saturday in May.
[Unidentified Male:] California Chrome shines bright in the Kentucky Derby!
[Roth:] And then triumph two weeks later in the second jewel in the crown.
[Unidentified Male:] California Chrome has won the Preakness!
[Roth:] Belmont Stakes in New York is the final hurdle before triple crown glory. [on camera]: You expect him to win Saturday?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, I do. Yes, I expect him to win Saturday. I really do.
[Roth:] Three-year-old racehorses face challenges to bring home the crown.
[Unidentified Male:] So you have to have speed to win the derby in the Preakness. Stamina to win the Belmont. Usually it is rare to have that package in one horse.
[Roth:] The Belmont is called the test of a champion because of its rare mile and a half distance to cover. [on camera]: Here at the finish line at Belmont, the frustration has grown every year. Since 1997, seven different horses have been on the verge of winning the triple crown. Something went wrong. [voice-over]: There is a bit of a rags to riches aura since the mother of California Chrome was purchased for a meager $8,000.
[Unidentified Male:] If we can win the triple crown would be a dream come true for me.
[Roth:] The horse racing industry has been battered for decades by gambling competition and changing entertainment tastes.
[Unidentified Male:] If California Chrome wins I think it will bring a new generation of fans to this great sport.
[Roth:] The horse racing industry has seen crowds melt away, attracted by other gambling interests. Supporters hope that a win by California Chrome will provide a badly needed shot in the arm for the industry. Richard Roth, CNN, New York.
[Harlow:] Thanks so much for that, Richard. I just have a feeling that this may happen today. We will keep you posted. Also, it has been 70 years since D-day. Up next here, those who fought that day and survived to tell their stories. Stay with us.

[Blackwell:] If you are having pancakes for breakfast, maybe a Danish or muffin, it all sounds good. But the FDA's push to ban trans fats could forever change your breakfast and some of your other favorite foods.
[Paul:] Yes, we are not just talking about what you are buying at the supermarket either. I mean, this could have a huge impact on your local bakery and maybe your favorite croissants. CNN's Alexandra Field has more from New York.
[Thomas Gencarelli, Brother's Quality Baker:] We haven't changed recipes in 40 years. Everything is old school, old fashion.
[Field:] New federal regulations could soon force Thomas Gencarelli to change the way he's always made the doughnuts at Brother's Quality Bakery goods in New Jersey. [on camera]: This is how you make the doughnuts?
[Gencarelli:] This is where we fry the doughnuts inside this oil.
[Field:] That oil is all purpose vegetable shortening. It contains artificial trans fats, which the Food and Drug Administration is now taking steps to ban. The American Medical Association calls that a life-saving move that can help keep the public healthy. Anthony says there are no trans fats in most of his baked goods. For the health benefits, he supports a trans fat ban even it means changing some of the recipes in his bakery even if it means getting rid of a top selling Italian pastry.
[Unidentified Male:] Without it, you are not going to get this type of flakiness in the dough.
[Field:] Trans fats is found in processed foods made with partially hydrogenated vegetable oils. It's been linked to heart disease and for years now, it's been under attack. In 2007, New York City banned restaurants from using artificial trans fats and in recent years, more and more fast food chains and food manufacturers are voluntarily moved the switch to healthier oils.
[Dan Glickman, Former Agriculture Secretary:] I don't think it is really a taste issue. It was cheaper for the food companies to do this over the years, but now most of the science says we have to get it out of the food supply.
[Field:] Not everyone agrees. In New Jersey, Gencarelli says every year he uses 15,000 pounds of shortening with trans fat in order to get time-tested recipes just right.
[Gencarelli:] It will change the taste of the doughnuts and quality of the doughnut. It will change the texture.
[Field:] Gencarelli believes there is no need for new regulations. It is always been up to consumers to practice moderation.
[Gencarelli:] I believe it's not going to kill you as long as you don't eat a pan of doughnuts.
[Blackwell:] So Alexandra is with us now. What's the cost? I mean, this could be passed on to the consumer. The cost of eliminating the trans fats from more foods. If there's a ban, will we have to pay more?
[Field:] Well, Victor, the bakers that we've spoke to say they won't know what their costs will be until they plays around with the recipes and see what substitutes they might us. But the former Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman, who you heard from that piece, he points out that a lot of the fastfood chains have been using these substitutes for years without noticeable impact on food prices.
[Paul:] Alexandra Field, thank you so much. We appreciate it. I hope we didn't ruin your breakfast now.
[Blackwell:] Still to come on NEW DAY, embattled football star, Richie Incognito, is spending time away from Miami after the Dolphins suspended him in a bullying scandal. It's really rocked the NFL. We have the latest on that just ahead.

[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] President Obama lays out the case for fighting ISIS. He says the United States is not at war with Islam. But his critics are asking, how can he fight extremism if he refuses to link it to Muslim radicals?
[Christine Romans, Cnn Anchor:] Record shattering cold. More than 80 million in the path of an arctic blast. Just how cold is it going to get?
[Berman:] Falling apart. Ukraine asks for U.N. peacekeepers to happy the crumbling cease-fire. Is peace even possible now? Good morning. Welcome to EARLY START. Good to see you today. I'm John Berman.
[Romans:] And I'm Christine Romans. It is Thursday, February 19th, it is 5:00 a.m. in the East, right on the nose. This president this morning, rather, President Obama striving for a balance between the battle against violent extremism and respect for mainstream Muslims around the world. Speaking at a three-day White House summit on countering violent extremism, the president carefully avoided the label "Islamic extremism". It is a controversial choice by the White House. Critics say Islamist militants should be dealt head on. But the president says he doesn't want to give religious legitimacy to groups like ISIS and al Qaeda.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] They are not religious leaders. They're terrorists.
[Romans:] Senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta following the story. He has the latest for us.
[Jim Acosta, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] John and Christine, President Obama defended his decision to stay away from those terms like "Islamic extremism" and "Islamic terrorism" because he said he doesn't want to give groups like ISIS and al Qaeda any Muslim street cred by somehow referring to the groups as religious figures. The president pointed out that Muslims are the victims of ISIS much more often than people from other religious groups. And he also noted, the young Muslim Americans killed in a high profile murder case in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. The president then said that people of the Islamic faith, that we offer our love and we offer our support. But his biggest applause line at this countering violent extremism summit came when he rejected critics who say he's taking too soft an approach in describing groups like ISIS. Here's what he had to say.
[Obama:] We all know there is no one profile of a violent extremist or terrorist. So, there is no way to predict who will become radicalized. Around the world and here in the United States, inexcusable acts of violence have been committed against people of different faiths by people of different faiths, which is, of course, the trail of all of our faiths.
[Acosta:] But the president was also trying to strike a balance saying that Muslim leaders in the U.S. we need to do more to push back on this notion that there is a clash of civilians going on. White House officials note that this nuanced stance by the president is controversial. Press Secretary Josh Earnest conceded they have taken flak on this language they are using, but that they welcome it. The president will give one more speech on the subject later today when he addresses hundreds of foreign officials from around the world at the State Department on the global challenge posed by violent extremism John and Christine.
[Berman:] Our thanks to Jim for that. New this morning, an Iraqi official tells CNN that ISIS militants have killed at least 40 police officers and tribesmen, most of them burned to death. CNN cannot independently confirm this information, but the Pentagon says it is analyzing the report, also some imagery. Now, the question is, where and how will ISIS strike next? We want to bring in CNN's Ian Lee live from Cairo with the latest. Good morning, Ian.
[Ian Lee, Cnn Reporter:] Good morning, John and Christine. Yes, ISIS is probing over 600-mile frontline with the Kurdish Peshmerga looking for weaknesses. The other night, we saw a massive attack by them against that line, and really this line, the Peshmerga fighters are sparse at places. If the ISIS fighters were able to breakthrough, it's a clear shot toward Irbil, although it doesn't seem that's going to be their objective. What it looks like they are trying to do is release the pressure on Mosul. Kurdish fighters have it surrounded on three sides. They are trying to push out and keep the Kurdish fighters on their heels. But we do know that ISIS knows that coalition war planes are in the sky watching them. So, they plan their attacks accordingly when it was least effective for coalition fighters to hit them. The other night, the fight lasted for five hours. And it was such close quarter combat, air strikes could not hit them until the end of the fight. That's when the air strikes started pounding them. But ISIS is trying to keep the city of Mosul, a strategic city for them, under the threat of the Peshmerga who right now are holding that defensive line around the city.
[Berman:] Ian, it is interesting we are speaking to you in Cairo this morning, because the front against ISIS keeps expanding in a way now with their recent activity inside Libya. What's the status right now with the battle between Egypt frankly and the ISIS forces next door in Libya?
[Lee:] Well, Egypt is trying to rally international support for the fight of ISIS and Libya. Initially, they were calling for the same sort of international coalition that we see dealing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, to add Libya to that as well. When they went to the U.N. Security Council to put forward a resolution, it was watered down a bit. What they want an arms embargo lifted on Libya, at least for the internationally recognized government. They want to give them the weapons they need. They also want naval blockade on the other parts of Libya where this government isn't operating so weapons can't get to these militias, and the international community is worried if they give weapons to this government, that they don't have the tight control on them, they could go to militias. There is also international community believes the best way to do with this right now is politically. Unite the different factions against
[Isis. Berman:] Ian Lee for us in Cairo this morning on this growing battle against ISIS. Thanks so much, Ian.
[Romans:] All right. This morning, a humanitarian aid worker killed while in the hands of ISIS militant is being remembered in her hometown of Prescott, Arizona. Kayla Mueller's brother Eric telling the crowd at a memorial service that she will live in the acts of kindness she performed working with Syrian refugees.
[Eric Mueller, Kayla Mueller's Brother:] Only now will you be able to see how much you really did and truly did for this world by looking down on it from above. I love you. You can rest in peace knowing that you changed this world.
[Romans:] ISIS says that Mueller died in the Jordanian air strike. The Pentagon rejects that claim, saying it just doesn't know how she died, and besides, ISIS is at fault because they had her kidnapped in that country.
[Berman:] Big swath of the United States dealing with bone-chilling temperatures through tomorrow. The arctic air affects 25 states, including Florida. Some states could shatter records in terms of low temperatures. Look at this. Niagara falls frozen. Who are those tourists out there? Temperatures hit 13 degrees below zero there this week. So cold, schools from Chicago to Kentucky closing as a precaution.
[Romans:] With temperatures so cold, the snow has no place has no change to melt and nowhere really to go. And that's a real concern. Look at this, a partial roof collapse at a shopping plaza near Boston. No one hurt in that, thank goodness. Crews had to rush to save two people who became buried in snow when it fell off a Boston ice rink. We're told they were hurt but are expected to be OK.
[Berman:] All right. How much snow, how cold? Look at this, picture from space. That's the Northeast, you can make Cape Cod of Massachusetts there, New England just covered in snow, just all white, it's completely white. Nuts.
[Romans:] That is something. That's from
[Nasa. Berman:] All right. How long are these dangerous temperatures going to last? Let's turn to meteorologist Pedram Javaheri for an early look at the weather Pedram.
[Pedram Javaheri, Ams Meteorologist:] John and Christine, what a historic spell of weather ahead of us over the next couple of days. More than 130 million people underneath wind-chill advisories or warnings, at least over the next 24 or so hours. The expansion goes from Indianapolis all the way towards areas of central and southern Florida. Wind-chills down on South Beach could even be to the upper 30s over the next couple of days. But again, take a look, freeze warnings and also watches across the citrus growing regions. So, certainly, something worth noting for people across areas of Central Florida, if that is how you make your living down there. But take a look at the perspective. High pressure in place, generally clear skies. Temperatures dropping to minus 12 in Minneapolis, 14 in Atlanta, again down in the 40s across areas of Tampa. We are talking 25 to 30 degrees below average. Minneapolis, high today is 7, 30 in the norm. Chicago, 1, that's among the coldest high temperatures this late into the season since the 1960s for Chicago. And some of the coldest weather since the Clinton administration, down around the nation's capital, 17, it should be 48. And also, New York City in the 20s, when you should have double that temperature at 42 degrees. This pattern, unfortunately, looks to be a long-lived one over the next few days, guys.
[Romans:] All right. Pedram Javaheri, thanks for that. We'll take it even though we don't like it. Nine minutes past the hour. New this morning, the president of Ukraine calling for a United Nations peacekeeping mission to enforce the latest cease-fire with the government and pro-Russian rebels. Now, that truce signed last week shattered in the face of the fierce battle with the rail hub of Debaltseve. On Wednesday, Ukraine withdrew most of its troops from Debaltseve. Now, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko is seeking help from the U.N. and European Union. For the latest, let's turn to CNN's Erin McLaughlin. She's live in Moscow for us. Good morning, Erin.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn International Correspondent:] Good morning, Christine. This is yet another area of disagreement between Moscow and Kiev. Russia this morning rejecting calls from Ukrainian president for a U.N. peacekeeping mission to be deployed in Eastern Ukraine. Russia's ambassador to the United Nations saying that the idea would hinder the agreement already in place. Meanwhile, Western officials are accusing Russia and separatists of violates the cease-fire in Debaltseve. Debaltseve is the city that has seen intense fighting, key transport hub now control of the separatists. Russia saying Debaltseve was never subject to the cease-fire in the first place because the separatists had the city surrounded prior to that agreement being signed. They are accusing the West of using the city as a pretext for further sanctions. But, you know, now that the city is firmly in control of the separatists, the hope is the cease- fire will finally take effect, that the bloodshed will finally stop.
[Romans:] All right. Erin, thank you for that. Erin McLaughlin in Moscow this morning.
[Berman:] Officials at UCLA Medical Center are scrambling to contain a drug-resistant and possibly deadly superbug. At least two patients have reportedly died, seven more have been infected after exposure to the bacteria, which is called CER. UCLA says it is notifying about 100 patients who might also have been exposed. It is believed the infection was transmitted during complex endoscope procedures. Officials say the doctors actually followed the recommended decontamination procedures.
[Romans:] All right. Eleven minutes past the hour. Time for an early start on your money this morning. European markets making up for early losses. Why? Greece officially asked E.U. creditors for a six-month extension of the bailout program. U.S. stock futures are not doing much yet. But yesterday, stocks mostly fell. Federal Reserve are expressing concern about low inflation. Central Bank says it's in no hurry to raise interest rates for fear of damaging the American economy. Uber expects to raise another billion bucks. It has expanded its latest round of funding to $2.8 billion. The company says this is further proof how much investors have in the car company. The timing though a little questionable. It's competitor Lyft also trying to raise more money. Uber valued at $40 billion.
[Berman:] A lot of money there. All right. Jeb Bush trying to put some distance between himself and other members of his family. He gives a foreign policy speech. But is his foreign policy that different from that of his father or his brother?
[Romans:] And new hope for women battling aggressive breast cancer. Why doctors are calling a possible treatment a breakthrough.

[Smerconish:] California Governor Jerry Brown signed a law this week that would allow concerned family members to petition a judge to take away guns from a relative that they fear may commit a violent crime. It's the first law of its kind in the country and it's meant to prevent mass killings. But will it? I'm joined now by the man who introduced the legislation, California State Assemblyman Dos Williams, also John Lott, who's the author of "More Guns, Less Crime", and the founder of the Crime Prevention Research Center. OK, Dos would this law if it had been on the books have prevented those horrific killings in Isla Vista?
[Dos Williams, California State Assemblyman, Santa Barbara:] We're not prescient people. We can't look into the past and know for sure. But there would have been two junctures in this case where this could have been prevented. And there are far more mass killings, spousal murders and suicides that this law could prevent.
[Smerconish:] You know that a criticism of the law and I'm sure John will mention this, I'll mention it before he gets to it, is that potentially you are seizing someone's weapon, they would say in violation perhaps of the Second Amendment, before they had the opportunity to have a hearing. That's the way the GVRO works, right?
[Williams:] That's right. It's just like a domestic violence or spousal or a stalking domestic order. And unless you think that domestic violence orders are unconstitutional, this should be constitutional. And, you know, let's face it. The worst thing that would happen if somebody got this wrong is someone would lose their weapon for 23 days. While I view that as negative if they are innocent, the worst thing that happens if we do nothing is we lose lives forever. And so, the due process in this law allows someone who is the subject of a gun violence restraining order to go to a judge and get a hearing and get their weapons back, if they are not a danger to themselves or others.
[Smerconish:] John Lott, what of that argument that says this is framework in a domestic violence capacity?
[John Lott, Author Of "more Guns, Less Crime":] Well, I don't know, I think this is quite different in a number of ways. You already have the power for police to go and take somebody in for 72-hour psychiatric evaluation. What this does is it cuts the psychiatrist out of the loop. You basically if a police officer has a reasonable belief, he can go and with the judge take away this person's right to be able to go and defend himself for some period of time. If somebody's a danger to themselves or others, surely you can go and put them in some type of situation where they are locked up and taken out of that possibility of doing harm to others. But I don't see how this would have stopped the Isla Vista case there. You know, if you really think somebody is a danger, that person killed three people with knives. You should go and lock them up rather than just take away a gun. Here he planned for 2 12 years in advance.
[Smerconish:] John Lott, I have often heard from the NRA advocates and Second Amendment purists say look, guns don't kill people, you know the tag line, people do. It's the mental health, it's not the weapon. And it seems to me the California initiative at least is seeking to do something about the mental health aspect of this. No?
[Lott:] You already had be able to do with mental health. If a police officer, the sheriff's deputies went to the person's home, if they believe that he was a threat to himself or others and they didn't believe that, but if they had believed it, they could have taken him in for 72-hour psychological evaluation. They didn't do that. What this does is, this takes the psychiatrist out of the process. Why what's the gain from taking psychiatrists out of the process, evaluating whether or not somebody is a threat.
[Smerconish:] Dos Williams, respond to that argument by John Lott.
[Williams:] This does not take psychiatrists or psychologists out of the process. In fact, what it does is it means that we're not just going to rely on law enforcement to recognize the first warning signs. Often family members, especially spouses or other people living with the person who is either homicidal or suicidal and mentally unbalanced are the first ones to recognize that there may be an issue.
[Lott:] There could be that in any way.
[Williams:] And this allows them this allows them, they cannot do that, they can only go to law enforcement. This allows them to go to a court, and ask the court for a gun violence restraining order.
[Smerconish:] Gentlemen, thank you.
[Williams:] And if that court if that the judge find that they are a danger to themselves and there is clear and convincing evidence.
[Lott:] Family members before went to the police. The police didn't find the Isla Vista case. Here, you're going to allow the second cousin's wife to be able to go and bring these types of charges against somebody completely unrelated people.
[Smerconish:] Gentlemen, I wish we had more time. I wish we had more time. Dos Williams, John Lott, thank you both for being here. I have to take a quick time out. And coming up, extremely disturbing allegations of abuse by students on a high school football team. Now, the season is canceled and anguished parents are asking, how could it happen? Also, smoke and mirrors, why one congressman says a proposed ban on the sale of tobacco on military bases is an assault on freedom?

[Romans:] Central Japan, the site of a somber recovery mission today. Crews air lifting bodies out of an area near the summit of Mount Ontake. At least 37 people presumed dead after the volcano summit erupted. Will Ripley is there for us with the very latest this morning. Hi, Will.
[Will Ripley, Cnn Correspondent:] Hey, Christine, the search efforts are expected to resume at first light. It is now evening here in Japan. But earlier today, they had to cut everything off because the conditions at the summit of this volcano, Japan's second highest volcano, that became too dangerous. There was ash and gas that was spewing out of the summit. It created a very large plume that was also it's been dumping ash on our live location here. At times, even in the past hour it almost look like a light snow was falling. So a lot of people are wearing protective gear. We have helmets just in case large embers were to come from the mountain. They're expecting it could erupt again in the coming days. That's what seismologist are watching right now. But this eruption over the weekend happened without warning. And the mountain was full of people, hikers who were taking in the peak autumn viewing season including those 36 people, at least 36 people who are near the summit and they're now presumed dead. We know at least two dozen bodies are there right now. Twelve bodies have been taken off the mountain. They've been identified and families continue to gather here. They're sleeping on the floor and local evacuation centers waiting for confirmation of their loved ones, holding out hope that perhaps they're up there on the mountain alive but knowing that, the rescuers have come back. The news has not been good Christine.
[Romans:] Not good at all. I mean, it is evening there waiting for first light for more recovery and rescue mission. Thank you so much, Will Ripley, for that story from Japan this morning. Fifty-three minutes past the hour. Another big motor vehicle recall. This one from a name legendary for quality. We're going to get an EARLY START on your money next.

[Wolf Blitzer, Cnn Anchor:] The NTSB go team is at the site of the train derailment in the Bronx that killed four people and injured dozens more. They've downloaded data from both of the on-board recorders. Tweeted out this picture of one of them. The recorders will play an important role in helping to determine if speed was a factor. Joining us, the former NTSB managing director, Peter Goelz. Peter, thanks very much for coming in. How much are we going to learn, investigators, from these recovered data recorders?
[Peter Goelz, Former Managing Director, Ntsb:] I think we're going to learn a great deal. I think if we're focusing in on speed and braking, the data recorders, while they're not as complex as aviation data recorders, it will give you the essential information. Most importantly, it will give you a little historical information. Were the brakes functioning at the previous stop? I think we'll know a lot more at the 4: 00 briefing.
[Blitzer:] The train operator says he tried to apply the brakes but that it still wouldn't stop the train. Have you heard about this happening before?
[Goelz:] That's pretty unusual. I think there's going to be two things that the NTSB are going to really zero in on the next couple days. One is, what was this is driver's situation in terms of work rules? You know, the 72 hours before? Was he getting the appropriate rest? Was he in any way fatigued on the day of the accident? Secondly, they'll be looking at distractions. Was this driver paying attention to his job? Hopefully, there was no use of handheld personal devices like cell phones or computers. Hopefully, he was paying attention. And then they'll zero in on the equipment, on whether the equipment functioned as advertised.
[Blitzer:] It's pretty shocking to me, Peter, that there are no video cameras on these trains. That would obviously be very useful right now in an investigation. Why is that?
[Goelz:] Well, that has been a controversial issue for a number of years. And it focuses in on union work rules. You know, the engineers in the cabs do not like to have videotape recordings taking place. They believe that they'll be misused by management and they'll be misused in the public domain. Even though, you know, the voice recorders on, in, cockpits of airplanes have been very well protected. There is no reason why we can't have video recordings in the cabins.
[Blitzer:] It's surprising in this day and age. The other thing that's pretty surprising to me, and tell me where I'm wrong, if I am, no seat belts. There are seat belts on cars and planes. But on trains, there are no seat belts. And those who were killed I think, all of them were ejected, were thrown off the train.
[Goelz:] I think the NTSB is about going to look at that issue of the ejections to see the crash worthiness of these cars made by Bombardian. But we've looked and considered seat belts on trains. But, frankly, there is not enough data to justify requiring them. And because of the mass transit applications of rail, boy, it's almost impossible to implement that kind of rule.
[Blitzer:] Well, let me throw this out at you. If those four people who died died because they were thrown off those train cars, they might have lived if they would have been fastened in, in a seat belt, right?
[Goelz:] You are absolutely right. And they will look at that. It's going to be an issue that will be discussed.
[Blitzer:] We'll learn a lot more, 4:00 p.m. eastern at the news conference. We'll have live coverage here on CNN. Peter, thanks very much for helping us.
[Goelz:] Thank you, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] The Obamacare website may be working better but expanding coverage is not the only issue. Sanjay Gupta says insurance alone won't make us healthier. Sanjay, standing by live. We'll talk to him when we come back.

[Blitzer:] We're just moments away now from hearing from the National Football League commissioner, Roger Goodell. He's scheduled to give his so-called state of the NFL address and then answer reporters' questions. Rachel Nichols is in the room. She's joining us on the phone. So what do we expect, Rachel? Set the scene a little bit for us. What's it like in there?
[Rachel Nichols, Cnn Sports:] Well, I've been to a lot of these over the years and I've got to tell you, this is the biggest room and biggest set-up I have ever seen. There are more than 800 chairs in this auditorium for Roger Goodell's press conference. And most of them are filled. And there are still people streaming in. So you remember that press conference, that very controversial press conference that he gave in September where he was not able to answer a lot of the media's questions in the league's handling of the domestic violence incidents that they had had. That was a relatively small group of press because it was an impromptu press conference, just got called a few hours earlier. Roger Goodell did not have time to prepare for that the same way. This is a press conference where there is media from all over the globe. And Goodell and his staff have been prepping for this for weeks. So it's going to have a very different tone.
[Blitzer:] All right, stand by, Rachel. I know you're going to be hopefully asking some questions of the commissioner. He's come under a lot of fire several times this season. First, there was the Ray Rice affair, the Baltimore Ravens player who was caught on camera beating his then-fiance. The NFL fumbled the investigation, eventually suspending Rice indefinitely. Several other stars, including the running back, Adrian Peterson, was were suspended for off-field violence and now what's called deflate-gate, the must less heinous act of deflating footballs, engulfing one of the league's most popular teams, the New England Patriots, and most well-known players, Tom Brady. It's been an unwelcomed distraction for the league during the lead-up to the premier sporting event, the Super Bowl this Sunday. Remember, this is a game that last year was seen by more than 111 million people worldwide, was broadcast in 198 countries in more than 25 languages. And the National Football League is the world's number one league. It generates more than $10 billion a year in revenue. That dwarfs the top European football league, the English Premier League, which makes around $4 billion. It's that financial success that also earned Roger Goodell more than $44 million last year alone. Joining us now, our CNN Sports analyst, the "USA Today" columnist Christine Brennan, our CNN commentator, ESPN's senior writer, LZ Granderson, and Gabriel Sherman, who's written an excellent article about Goodell for "GQ" magazine. Christine, what's the biggest challenge facing the commissioner right now?
[Christine Brennan, Cnn Sports Analyst:] Wolf, I think it is as sounding honest, sounding truthful, sounding like he cares and like there are results coming. And I think that's, as Rachel pointed out, that's what didn't happen in September. He has had all this time now to prepare. My sense is he will come out here and be stronger and more forceful. He will be facing a lot of tough questions. And I hope it's not all about deflate-gate, as you alluded to. So much of a minor story, even though it's important, compared to domestic violence, the personal conduct policies. There are huge issues involving the NFL. In many ways, the NFL is a mirror of our society and I think that's what
[Blitzer:] All right, all right, hold on. Christine, hold on.

[Keilar:] President Putin has signed a new updated version of Russia's military doctrine, and while the majority of it remains unchanged, the new sections outline the threats to Russia's national security. And among them, NATO's expansion and military buildup in Eastern Europe. Russia is worried about the possibility of a foreign troop deployment in Ukraine. NATO responded to Moscow's concern saying it poses no threat to Russia or any other nation. The other concern for Russia is the economy. President Vladimir Putin announced that he is cancelling holiday vacations for members of the government, saying they cannot afford extensive holidays, at least not this year. Erin McLaughlin is in Moscow watching this. Eric, this is quite the about-face from last week when you had Putin blaming the West for all of Russia's problems.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn Correspondent:] Well, to a certain extent, Brianna, President Putin saying that the government has a role in all of this. But really that it needs to be focusing, he said, on restructuring the government's economy or the country's economy, rather. And there is this joke going around Russia, going around Moscow right now that the ruble, the currency here is so low that many of these ministers probably couldn't afford to party anyway. But joking aside, President Putin's announced that he's cancelling vacation, really serves to illustrate the critical state of the Russian economy today. Russia's finance minister announcing that the economy could contract in 2015 by as much as 4.5 percent. That is, if oil remains at around $60 a barrel. Inflation is high. As I mentioned, the ruble is low. Ordinary Russians really are suffering here Brianna?
[Keilar:] And how are ordinary Russians responding to this news as they do suffer?
[Mclaughlin:] Many people that I've been talking to say they're really feeling the pinch. Their salaries have remained the same, and yet the cost of living has increased. And many say they want to see their government take action. Take a listen.
[Unidentified Female:] It's good, as long as they don't cut our holidays. Let the government officials work. Seems like they are not tired this year. The government shouldn't have any holidays. They fail to perform.
[Unidentified Male:] Everything became more expensive in shops and they promise it will be more expensive in the New Year, so everything, food and household utilities, became more expensive. The price bites.
[Mclaughlin:] So president Putin's decision to cancel the holiday leave for government workers seeming to play well here in Russia, even though the root causes of this crisis persist. Latest opinion polls out today show that he still enjoys an 85 percent approval rating here in Russia.
[Keilar:] Amazing. What many leaders would be so jealous of. And happy holidays to you, Erin McLaughlin in Moscow for us. Thank you. And just ahead, many happy returns. A look at why this is the second- busiest shopping day for retailers. We'll be checking that out.

[Suzanne Malveaux, Cnn Anchor:] Here are the stories making news around the world right now. Those massive wildfires burning across a thousand miles of Australia have claimed now another life. This time, a pilot died when his water-bombing plane crashed earlier today. He is one of more than 1,500 on the fire lines. His plane dropped water on the fires threatening Sydney, and fires, they've already destroyed more than 200 homes. Now, fire officials, they say they are simply trying to do their best.
[Shane Fitzsimmons, Rsf Commissioner:] On behalf of the firefighters, that are doing it so tough up there, we do apologize and regret that we weren't able to save everything. We very are acutely aware, because our teams are embedded in the local communities, particularly the likes of the lower Blue Mountains through Springwood and Winmalee, where there has been so much damage and destruction, and people have lost everything. They did their best, and they will continue to do their best.
[Malveaux:] The weather has cooled a little bit, and the winds that have gusted to 45-miles-an-hour, they're just a little bit calmer today. And we have now newly released video to show you. This is of a massive rescue effort of African migrants off the coast of Lampedusa, Italy. Now, more than 200 people, they were pulled from the water almost two week ago. You see it there. At least 31 died. Now, the overcrowded boat was carrying migrants trying to escape the poverty of North Africa. There had been several recent sinkings in which hundreds have died. And now to Nigeria, this is where pirates have actually kidnapped two Americans from a U.S. oil supply vessel. This is in the Gulf of Guinea. Want to go straight to Vladimir Duthiers in Lagos, Nigeria. And, Vladimir, first what do we know about the attack, and who was taken?
[Vladimir Duthiers, Cnn West Africa Correspondent:] Hi, Suzanne. Well, here's what we know. Sometime early morning on Wednesday, this U.S. vessel, which is owned by a Louisiana-based company, Edison Chouest, was attacked by pirates. We don't know how many. Details are still very, very sketchy. During the attack or sometime after the attack, the two American sailors, the captain and the chief engineer, were taken hostage. We have not heard about where they might be at this point. What's interesting where this attack took place. It took place, as you mentioned, in the open, in the Gulf of Guinea. Now, historically, piracy has been very, very common in east Africa, off the coast of Somalia, as you know. But increasingly in the last couple of years, we've started to see an uptick in piracy attacks in west Africa. And in the Gulf of Guinea, 30 percent of all attacks in African waters happen in that very gulf. The Nigerian navy has stepped up their efforts to patrol the coastline and to chase pirates where and when they do see them, but it's very, very difficult. This area's known as the Niger River Delta. This ship was taken off the coast of Brass, to the Niger River delta. Now for many, many years, militants attacked and kidnapped all sorts of, usually. oil executives, people that were affiliated with the oil industry. In 2009, the Nigerian government offered an amnesty to these militants in exchange for laying down their weapons, laying down their arms. They offered vocational training, as well as a monthly stipend. In the last couple of months, we've started to see violence increase in this part of Nigeria, which would spell trouble, because, as you know, the government's dealing with a very, very volatile mix of Islamic militantism up in the northeastern part of the country, Suzanne.
[Malveaux:] All right, Vladimir, thank you so much. We certainly hope they're safe, but we're going to be following that story as we as it develops throughout the afternoon. We're also learning more disturbing details about the high school teacher in Massachusetts allegedly killed by a student. We're going to have a live report, up next.

[Cooper:] Today in Beijing, a Chinese activist who leads a campaign to expose government corruption went on trial. He's accused of gathering crowds to disturb public order. The activist is a high profile in China so the officials were intent on keeping the trial under wraps. However, CNN's David McKenzie was determined to cover it. For his efforts, he was roughed up by police as he and his crew attempted to approach the courthouse. That's the video right there. They recorded the assault on camera. Here is part of what happened.
[David Mckenzie, Cnn Correspondent:] We're heading towards a court in Beijing where a prominent activist goes on trial today. This is a public space. There's no need to shout at me. Just behind us the name of the activist is Chou Zerong. The reason he's in trial is because he had a gathering of people several times and was one of the founders of the New Citizen's Movement. That is why there are all these police surrounding me here. We're going to go try look at the entrance of the court, which is just here. Sorry. You can't stop me. This is a public place. This is a public place. Why must I wait?
[Unidentified Male:] You're Passport.
[Mckenzie:] This is a public space. This is a public space. Excuse me. You don't push me. Do not push me. This is a public space. Don't hit me like this. This is a public space. They're physically manhandling us. They're physically manhandling me. This is a public space. I'm allowed to report. I'm allowed to report. You cannot do this.
[Cooper:] That's exactly what they did. By the way, our signal in China has gone black. There's some censor in China watching us as we're talking about this and turned the signal off. Let's talk to David McKenzie. David, the fact that in the face of that kind of hugger you remained as calm as you did is remarkably impressive. Just to be clear, Chinese law allows you to shoot in public places, right? You were not doing anything illegal.
[Mckenzie:] Well, look, Anderson, there's a law on paper in China and then there's the law in practice. As foreign reporters, we can report on paper. They say we can report throughout this country and do effectively what we would do in the states as it were. But in practice, in instances like this, sensitive cases like this, when thugs take it into their own hands to be enforcers of the law, there's very little one can do about it. So the rights that might be on paper get thrown out the window.
[Cooper:] It's also fascinating. You see censorship in real time happening again on the bottom of our screen there you can see us being censored right now in China. I want to play more of this video that you shot. Let's watch.
[Mckenzie:] They're now physically manhandling us. They've taken away our place cards. This is not illegal what we are doing. We are reporters. We are reporting in a public space. Ouch. These guys are physically manhandling us. They're not allowing to us do our work. We were just on a public space trying to tell a story. Please do not kick me. Do not physically manhandle us. Well done, you broke the camera. You broke the camera. Just calm down!
[Cooper:] What were they saying to you as they were basically assaulting you like that?
[Mckenzie:] Well, the one gentleman there is in fact responding with English swear word at us. But certainly they were telling us to get out of the area. They wanted to see our press cards, Anderson. When we gave them our press cards they took them away and our phones. They didn't allow us to call CNN. They didn't allow us to call the foreign ministry. The government has responded, saying that they'll investigate this case. But really, they say that there was a police cordon that was very clear. That was not the case. We and several other journalists were pushed out of the area. So certainly not transparent in any way's in not allowing foreign journalists to do their work.
[Cooper:] David McKenzie, glad you and your crew are OK. Thanks very much. Appreciate that. Keeping them honest now, a pretty simple notion, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence especially when those making the claims hold extraordinary power such as Michigan Congressman Mike Rogers who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee as only one of a few dozen lawmakers privy to some of the nation's secrets. When he said this on "Meet The Press" this weekend suggesting that NSA leaker Edward Snowden was working for intelligence while still working for the agency raised eyebrows. Listen.
[Representative Mike Rogers , Michigan:] I believe there's a reason he ended up in the hands, the loving arms of an FSB agent in Moscow. I don't think that's a coincidence number one. Number two.
[Unidentified Male:] Needing the Russians help, Ed Snowden?
[Rogers:] I believe there's a question to be answered there. I don't think it was a gee whiz luck event that he ended up in Moscow under the handling of the FSB.
[Cooper:] Now, you can consider Snowden a traitor or a hero, whatever you want, for stealing and leaking classified information. You can wonder who if anyone he was working for. What you can't do, however, is determine for yourself whether Chairman Rogers' implication is true. That's because he gave no evidence to back it up. Today Edward Snowden from Russia denied the implication calling it, quote, "absurd." So that leaves his word against Congressman Rogers. Now Mr. Snowden is exiled in Russia so we're unable to talk to him. We thought we might have better luck with Chairman Rogers. We asked him to come on the program to tell us what he could about his claim. He declined. Which again leaves the allegation hanging out there totally unsubstantiated. The implication from Mr. Rogers clear, basically trust me. Keeping them honest, with so many stories we've taken public servants on their word before only to find out they weren't telling the truth or exaggerating. Listen to this exchange from Senator Ron Widen and the director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
[Unidentified Male:] What I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question. Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions of hundreds of millions of Americans? No, sir. It does not? Not wittingly.
[Cooper:] Again when the facts came to light we learned that statement by Director Clapper was false. This time with the latest allegation we're still waiting for facts. Dana Bash has been trying to figure them out. She joins us now with more. You tried to get in touch with Congressman Rogers. What were you told?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] Well, a spokeswoman for Rogers told me that what he said on Sunday is all he can say at this point. She encouraged me to look closely at the transcripts. He was on the NBC program that you just showed? After that he was also on CBS. He was pressed. And there he suggested that he was deducing that Snowden could have been a Russian spy based on clues. One of them was that some of the information he said Snowden got had nothing to do but with privacy issues but instead with U.S. military capabilities and operations overseas Anderson.
[Cooper:] What are your sources telling you about what the House Intelligence Committee which Congressman Rogers heads knows about this? You could say well maybe he was told something by the House Intelligence Committee in a closed door meeting.
[Bash:] Exactly. Well, I'm told that neither the committee he chairs, which is the House Intelligence Committee, or its counterpart in the Senate, the intelligence committee there, has gotten any official indication that Edward Snowden was a spy for Russia or anywhere else. The reason is because when these active investigations of a leak go on, the protocol, the counter intelligence protocol is to wait until the report is done to give these oversight committees the information. In fact, on Sunday you saw that there was also the Senate Intelligence Chairwoman, Diane Feinstein, on with him. She was much more circumspect. She was asked about this allegation and suggestion that Rogers made and Diane Feinstein said well he may well have, but we don't know at this stage. But Mike Rogers is also someone who may have his own sourced in the intelligence community and likely does. He was a FBI agent, a special agent himself before coming to Congress. So it's possible that he got a tip from an investigator that this is something they were looking at, but because he won't elaborate we just don't know.
[Cooper:] All right, again, no evidence of this in the public domain that we've been able to find. We'll continue to look for it and ask for questions from Rogers. Dana, appreciate the reporting. Before we go, I do want to take a look at the bottom right hand corner of the screen there. That is a shot of CNN inside China. The blackout they blacked out our signal during David McKenzie's report. As you see it is back on again just ahead tonight so hello, China. What Olympic officials reveal today about another terrorist threat to the Sochi games. Plus what Toronto Mayor Rob Ford said today about his latest drunken rant, which was naturally caught on video.

[Anderson:] We're going to get you up to date in our top story, the political crisis in Egypt. And there was celebration in Cairo's Tahrir Square. Live pictures for you. The Egyptian army has said in a statement in the past few minutes that it rejects accusations that it has or will mount a military coup despite the fact that it gave the government 48 hours to sort itself out earlier today. The Egyptian armed forces says, responding to the they are responding to the pulse of the Egyptian street. Live pictures for you of Tahrir Square this evening. Certainly those who were there, anti-government protesters supporting the Egyptian military this evening. But they say themselves, Egyptian army says, it rejects accusations it has mounted a military coup. We'll get back to this story for you in a couple of minutes time. First, the director and every director of the Vatican bank have resigned three days after Italian police arrested this man, Monsignor Nunzio Scarano. He's a senior cleric with close ties to the bank who is accused of plotting to smuggle $26 million into Italy from Switzerland. The Vatican says the resignations are in the best interest of the institute and the Holy See. The U.S. state of Arizona is mourning the loss of 19 elite firefighters who died trying to put out raging wildfires on Sunday. The team was on the front lines of an ongoing blaze in central Arizona. Officials say they tried to deploy fire shelters and survival blankets as last ditch efforts to save themselves. It's the greatest loss of firefighters' lives in the U.S. in more than a decade. Earlier, the governor Jan Brewer gave an emotional press conference and said all state flags would be flying at half staff to honor the victims. Later this hour we'll be live with our team on the ground in Arizona. We're going to cross to our weather team as well for you this evening who have more details on why these fires were so deadly. U.S. President Barack Obama called the men who lost their lives heroes. He reacted to the devastating news earlier today.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] The news is heartbreaking and you know our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the brave firefighters who were out there.
[Anderson:] President Obama is in Tanzania as part of a six day trip to Africa. He's there to discuss trade in the region. Tomorrow, Mr. Obama is meeting with his predecessor George W. Bush to attend a memorial for a U.S. embassy attack. Well, earlier, the U.S. president was welcomed by crowds of excited locals. Drums, trombones and dancing greeting Mr. Obama and the first lady as they got off their plane. CNN's Nima Elbagir is in Dar es Salaam. And she joins us live. Tanzania, a strategically important country for the U.S. as it has key ports, of course, in the Indian Ocean. Is this part of a competition for business with China? What I guess the ultimate question is why is the U.S. president there at this time?
[Nima Elbagir, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, absolutely, Becky. This is very much all being done with one eye on China. Three years ago, China overtook the US as Africa's single largest individual trading partner. Only the European Union as a whole trading bloc competes with China, and the US clearly wants to make up that space between them. And he's always said that this is the part of the trip where he's going to be talking money, and he seems to be making good on that promise, Becky. He announced a new phase in US-African relationships. Take a listen.
[Barack Obama, President Of The United States:] We are looking at a new model that's based not just on aid and assistance, but on trade and partnership. And increasingly, what we want to do is use whatever monies that we're providing to build capacity.
[Elbagir:] Now, to make that happen, he's announcing two new initiatives. One, Power Africa, that's hopefully going to be expanding access across sub-Saharan Africa to the electricity grid by some 22 million homes over the next five years. And also Trade Africa. He's hoping that that's going to bolster US trade with this region by about 40 percent. And undercutting all of this it was really interesting to hear him say this, Becky he's made it very clear that although there is assistance in this package, this package is as much about sorry, excuse me is as much about US interest as it is about African interest, that Africa is this incredible, untapped consumer growth market, and the US has to get in there. And he's hoping that by the time he gets on that plane home tomorrow, Becky, he's going to started to bridge that gap with China. Of course, that will remain to be seen. So, we'll watch and wait, Becky.
[Anderson:] Nima, thank you for that. Well, South Africans continue their daily vigil for Nelson Mandela. Police on Monday offering a special tribute. After 24 days, the crowds have not thinned outside the Pretoria hospital where the 94-year-old Apartheid icon remains in critical but stable condition with a lung infection. Well, among those reflecting on Nelson Mandela's legacy is former US president George W. Bush. He and his wife, Laura, as I said, are in Africa right now. They are in Zambia working on a cancer-fighting initiative. Robyn Curnow sat down with the former president for this exclusive interview.
[Robyn Curnow, Cnn International Correspondent:] As Nelson Mandela begins his fourth week in this hospital, I spoke to former President George W. Bush and Mrs. Bush and asked them to reflect on what he means to them.
[George W. Bush, Former President Of The United States:] Sometimes there are leaders who come and go. He his legacy will last for a long time.
[Laura Bush, Former First Lady Of The United States:] He is, I think, really an inspiration to people around the world and to a lot of Americans. A figure that we watched from afar from the United States, and I have a lot of respect for, of course.
[Curnow:] He was quite tough on you, though. He criticized you publicly about the Iraq War.
[G.w. Bush:] Yes. He wasn't the only guy. It's OK. I mean, I didn't look at him any differently because he didn't agree with me on an issue.
[Curnow:] Comfortable in retirement, President Bush and Mrs. Bush opened up a clinic in Zambia today, which helps to diagnose and treat cervical cancer. They hope it'll save thousands of lives. Robyn Curnow, CNN, Pretoria.

[Brown:] So will it be a prince or a princess? We are waiting to find out. That is what the world is wondering as we wait for the royal baby to be born in London. Taking a live look at the wing at St. Mary's Hospital where the duchess of Cambridge was brought in very early this morning. She went into labor more than 10 hours ago. Still a waiting game. Joining me now from Buckingham Palace is CNN royal commentator, Katie Nicholl. Hi, Katie. I can imagine there is no much excitement right now outside of Buckingham Palace. We know that William is by Kate's bed side. Do we know where the rest of the royal family is right now?
[Katie Nicholl, Cnn Royal Commentator:] Well, the queen is in residence at Buckingham Palace. She swept through the gates about an hour ago now. Flurry of activity, police cars coming down the red gravel mall. I would imagine she is just as eagerly awaiting the news as the rest of us sitting by the telephone and waiting for the call. The duchess has been in labor for just coming up to over ten hours. It is a long time. It is incredibly hot here. The staff at the hospital second to none will be doing their very best to make sure the duchess is comfortable. William will be by her side helping to remind her of the breathing exercises they learned together and reminding her to keep calm. It is a regular day for Prince Harry. He will be kept abreast of the news by his brother. Prince Charles and Camilla are on an engagement. It is business as usual for the royal family. The person who will find out first is behind the gates in residence, Her Majesty, the queen of England.
[Brown:] I am guessing this is not going to be a Facebook post.
[Nicholl:] No, you're quite right. It won't be a Facebook post. Quite deliberately so where everything seems to be recorded on Twitter. This is going to be in keeping with tradition. There will be a glass easel placed at the gates of Buckingham Palace. On that will be the notice of birth signed by the gynecologist giving us the weight, sex and time of birth. The couple will announce the name when they come out on the steps of the hospital.
[Brown:] Last question here. This baby will be third in line to the throne after Charles and William. Is there protocol for when the royal baby will make the first public appearance other than being carried out of the hospital?
[Nicholl:] There is no real royal protocol. Diana brought Prince William out when he was just eight. Possibly the royal couple will bring their baby out sooner than that. There will be an official photo call. I think this is a couple that will want to have a degree of privacy for the time being. Don't expect to see too much once we have the official baby picture.
[Brown:] Still waiting to find out if it is a boy or girl and to find out a name. Thank you so much. Katherine Jackson gets a little testy on the witness stand. She wants to know why her son, Michael, dIED. She is back on the stand when court resumes today.

[Burnett:] And we're back with tonight's "Outer Circle". We begin tonight in Indonesia. There are major security concerns over this weekend's crowning of Miss World. Islamic radicals have been protesting the pageant for weeks, calling it insulting to Muslims and they threaten violence. I asked our Anna Coren what the country is doing to keep the contestants safe.
[Anna Coren, Cnn International Correspondent:] Erin, threats of violence are overshadowing the Miss World Pageant being staged here in Indonesia this weekend, following angry protest by Islamic fundamentalists. The beauty contest was supposed to be held in the country's capital Jakarta. But at the very last minute, the government moved it to the resort island of Bali. Protesters described it as pornography and a whore contest. The U.S., British and Australian embassies have all issued warnings. And with the Bali bombings of 2002 and 2005 still fresh in people's minds, authorities are not taking any chances, with hundreds of police on duty for the crowning of Miss World Erin.
[Burnett:] Thank you. And I want to go to London where there is another milestone for the royal family. Prince George is going to be christened next month at the Chapel Royal at St. James Palace. The duke and duchess of Cambridge chose this location over Buckingham Palace, which is a really big deal if you follow these things. So, I asked CNN's Max Foster if this is another sign of the royal couple switching things up.
[Max Foster, Cnn Royal Correspondent:] Erin, it is traditional for future monarchs to be christened at Buckingham Palace but this is a break from that tradition. Prince George instead will be christened down the road at St. James Palace, in the Chapel Royal perhaps an example of the duke and duchess again doing things their way, but also maybe because Prince William will have vivid memories of Chapel Royal. It's there that his mother's body was rested before her funeral. It will be a well-watched event, though, because this will be the first time we've seen George since he came out of the hospital, at least in video form. Also on Friday we saw the new coat of arms with the duke and duchess of Cambridge. It is a mixture of his and hers his on the left, hers on the right. We'll probably see it when plaques are unveiled at formal events.
[Burnett:] Thanks very much to you, Max. And now, our seventh story OUTFRONT, the Miss Teen USA sex-tortion case. A 19-year-old college student has been arrested for allegedly taking nude images of Miss Teen USA, Cassidy Wolf, and then using those pictures to blackmail her. His demand, give me more explicit photos or else he'd post all the images he had from hacking into her computer. According to court documents, Jared Abrahams, a former high school classmate of Cassidy's, hacked into her computer, used her webcam to take pictures of her during her most private moments. The FBI says Wolf was one of at least eight women that Abraham was black mailing in a scheme that reached as far as Russia. OUTFRONT tonight, Miss Teen USA Cassidy Wolf. And, Cassidy, thank you so much for coming in and taking the time. People this is a terrifying thing for people to imagine that you're at home and someone could hack into your computer and be watching you. This happened to you. How did you feel when you first learned that something like this was happening?
[Cassidy Wolf, Miss Teen Usa 2013:] I dropped my phone and I was screaming. I was on the phone with my mom and we were both crying. I really, I couldn't explain the emotion that I was going through. It was terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.
[Burnett:] And you received an e-mail, right? That included naked pictures of yourself.
[Wolf:] Right.
[Burnett:] So, just out of the blue, you get this e-mail.
[Wolf:] Right. My Facebook had given me a notification that somebody had logged into my Facebook from Utah. I started to notice that my other social sites had kind of been acting a little strange. So, I knew that something was going on. So I received this e-mail and I saw the first three lines. I scrolled through it really quick will on my iPhone and I just scrolled to the bottom and saw the two photos, and became hysterical, because I didn't feel like this was really happening. It was crazy.
[Burnett:] I can't imagine this. One of the messages it said, from the court documents, either do you one of the things listed below or I will upload these pics and a lot more. And he added, I have a capital letters lot more, and those are better quality on all your accounts for everybody to see. So, he told you in order to stop this from happening, for him to upload these extra photos, you had three options.
[Wolf:] Right.
[Burnett:] Send him more pictures. Make him a good video, or go on Skype and do what he told you to do for five minutes.
[Wolf:] Yes.
[Burnett:] You read that. What do you do?
[Wolf:] I don't even remember the moment. It was honestly like the biggest blur. And I just, I was crying hysterically. I could not believe that this was really happening to me. It did not feel real. And when I was on the phone with my mom, we were trying to figure out what to do. And our only reasonable thought was to contact the authorities.
[Burnett:] Right. Which of course you did.
[Wolf:] Yes.
[Burnett:] How did you then find out it was someone who knew you? Your high school was big. It wasn't as if you knew him personally. But you passed him in the hall. How did you figure out this was someone you knew?
[Wolf:] I found out yesterday that it was somebody that I went to high school with and that I knew. When I found that out, when I found out his name, I couldn't really put a picture to his name or a face to his name, because there were a ton of kids who went to school with me. As I started to think about it and realized who this person was, it kind of all started to click in my head. And it just it was weird. It's weird to put a putting a face to somebody, in my head, I'd created this monster. You know, somebody who was attacking me and now, putting a face it a kid I went to school with, it's kind of a mixed emotion for me.
[Burnett:] Let me ask about this. It's tough, right, his attorney told one of our affiliates that Jared Abrahams is autistic, and his family feels profound regret and remorse for what he did to you and these other women. If he is indeed autistic, does this change what you think given what you went through which is horrible no matter who did it to you, right?
[Wolf:] Right.
[Burnett:] But does it change your view of what the punishment should be?
[Wolf:] It doesn't necessarily change my view of what the punishment should be because that is up to the judge and that is up to our court system. But I am fighting a battle between my heart and head. In my head I'm thinking this person did it to me and not only me, he did it to, you know, seven other girls. And in my heart, I'm thinking, you know, why? Why did he do this? What is honestly troubling him? He obviously has an internal conflict. And I just want to know why. So, it's a conflict between my heart and my head.
[Burnett:] And how did this affect you and your family? You have had one day to sink in who he is. So, I mean, I would imagine I don't want to put words in your mouth but you're not sure yet totally how you feel.
[Wolf:] I'm not sure at all. I can't describe how I'm feeling. It's weird to be able to picture now who had been doing this to me for three months.
[Burnett:] Cassidy, thank you very much for coming and telling your story.
[Wolf:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] Hopefully, you know, a lesson for people to be careful, horrible things can happen. Thank you, dear.
[Wolf:] Thank you.
[Burnett:] All right. Well, now, it's time for the OUTFRONT "Outtake." People are very excited about President Obama's historic conversation with the Iranian President Hassan Rouhani by phone. And it is a big milestone. Sure, it might have been better if it were face-to-face, yet it could have been a lot worse. President Obama is a very Web-savvy leader, routinely using social media to share his thoughts. Whether we like it or not, we were hurtling toward a time when diplomatic interactions of the highest level could occur online, Skype, e-mail, Facebook, even Twitter well, maybe not Twitter, because while President Obama has a verified Twitter account that's how you can tell with the blue check next to his name that means that he stands behind everything that comes from that account. The Iranian president does not. In fact, the Iranian government wouldn't confirm to us directly that @hassanrouhani is actually the Iranian president's official account. Now, look, we know the Iranian government is using this account. But why not come out and confirm, give us the little blue checkmark? When I asked the Iranians this week about a tweet from that account about a sensitive topic, I said, quote, "Can I take that as confirmation that he approved that tweet and, by extension, that any tweet from this secretary endorsed by the president of Iran even though it is sent by a staffer? Is this fair?" I was not given an answer. A world leader is accountable for what he or she does, says and tweets. The Iranians should verify the account. I don't just mean that little blue checkmark, to be honest with you. Just say, yes, these are the words of our leader, and he stands by them. Because if Iran wants what it says it want serious negotiations on its nuclear program and economic sanction, the real Hassan Rouhani needs to please stand up. Still OUTFRONT, Tiger Woods wins big or does he?

[Blackwell:] It's 23 minutes after the hour now. There were a few ironic twists connected to Malaysia flight 17 both tragic, some life- saving. We've learned of a family also that lost another person onboard Malaysia flight 370.
[Paul:] Can you imagine, losing something on both flights? And also there's this tale of a family that was supposed to have been on MH-17 and got bumped from the flight. Here's CNN's Deb Feyerick.
[Deborah Feyerick, Cnn Correspondent:] If it disappears, this is what it looked like, posting what's believed to be a photo of Malaysia Airlines flight 17 on his Facebook page an hour before takeoff, the Dutch man making a dark joke referring to missing Malaysian airlines flight 37 which vanished from radar in March. His is one of the only known photos by a passenger purportedly of MH flight 17, shot down in rebel-held area of Ukraine. For this MH-17 passenger Mohamed Ali Mohamed Salim, the missing flight was also very much on his mind. Under the hash tag, "feeling a little nervous," he posted video, purported to be the inside of flight 17. Listen as a flight attendant prepares the cabin.
[Unidentified Male:] We're boarding and we're loading. Once again, to ensure that for the flight
[Feyerick:] Australian Kaylene Mann's story is too much to believe. Still grieving her brother who vanished aboard flight 370, she now lost her stepdaughter on flight 17. And then there's a married couple, both Malaysian Airlines flight attendants. The wife allegedly swapped shifts off missing flight 370 and survived, but her husband swapped shifts on to flight 17. Sadly he died along with the 297 other passengers and crew. But there are other would-be passengers who are counting their blessings today, thanks to a chance decision or a twist of fate, that kept them off the doomed flight.
[Sim:] I was thinking, I feel I've been give an second chance, and so hopefully that I will get there safely and I will see my family again.
[Feyerick:] Izzy Sim, her husband and baby were bumped off the full flight.
[Sim:] I'm feeling physically sick. I was, like, from the Hilton coming to the airport in the taxi, I was just crying.
[Feyerick:] Also supposed to be on flight 17, Juan Jovel and his bride. After a five-and-a-half week honeymoon they switched flights to return to work without jetlag.
[Juan Jovel:] Feeling lucky, but at the same time, my heart bleeds for these families that expecting their loved ones to come home.
[Feyerick:] Stories of improbable loss and improbable survival. Each one resonates because each one reminds us how fine the line is between what was, and what might have been. Deborah Feyerick, CNN, New York.
[Blackwell:] There have been reports this morning of explosions and gunfire near the crash site. We're going to go back live. Our CNN's Chris Cuomo is there this morning. We're going to take you back to the scene where this plane crashed after being shot out of the sky.

[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Welcome back to NEW DAY. Medical professionals remain shocked that a 15-year-old boy can survive a 5- 12 hour flight from California all the way to Hawaii in the wheel well of a Boeing 767. Although it is very rare, the teen would not be the first to live through this kind of journey. Back in 20002-hour flight from Tahiti to Los Angeles in the wheel well of a plane. Joining me now is the very physician who successfully treated that stowaway, Dr. Armand Dorian. Dr. Dorian, what a pleasure to have you here. Why don't you describe to us the condition of the stowaway survivor that presented to you in the E.R. back in 2000?
[Dr. Armand Dorian, Usc Verdugo Hills Hospital:] Back in 2000, the patient that rolled in by paramedics was not in the same state as this young boy this year. He was literally frozen, almost cartoonishly frozen. His arms were kind of jutted out. He was moaning. He was unconscious. He was not alert. We had to do multiple critical measures to keep him alive. His core body temperature was below 80 degrees. We had to intubate him, put chest tubes in. It was really touch and go.
[Pereira:] It was really a miracle that he survived in your estimation?
[Dorian:] There's no question. I thought in my lifetime I would never even hear of another case like this, let alone hear of a case where the gentleman who was a stowaway walks away from the incident.
[Pereira:] Let's get to that. You already compared the difference between that. Quickly, before we move on, do you know if that man had lasting side effects? Oftentimes you don't know the results many years later. Do you know?
[Dorian:] Actually he had no gross motor dysfunction, so something may actually be later on that may come up like depression, chronic headaches, but nothing obvious at the time when he was discharged from the hospital. Know that it was a month after he was admitted.
[Pereira:] Interesting. OK, to this 15-year-old, he essentially after an hour after the plane landed sort of came out of the wheel well mostly able to move on his own power. This is phenomenal. Talk to me about what you think happened that this young man would present in a very different condition than the man in 2000.
[Dorian:] I mean, the planets all were aligned. This was a perfect storm of disaster that actually probably saved his life because when the airplane ascends, you lose oxygen, the air gets thin as we would say in layman's terms. You would pass out in about a minute after being up there. Also, the temperature drops. With the temperature dropping it actually starts slowing down your body's need for oxygen. It puts you in a frozen or some people termed it as a suspended state. Kind of like a cryogenic freezing that we've seen, you know, sci-fi or hear about in the future happening and because your demand decreases, you don't need as much oxygen. You can be suspended in time until your oxygen is replenished.
[Pereira:] We know your patient passed out and doesn't remember a thing of his flight. We don't what this young boy remembers. We know that he did tell police that he was unconscious for a time. What do you think it feels like for all of this to go on or do we know that because most people don't have a memory of it?
[Dorian:] I'm pretty sure he's not going to have any memory or recollection of it. He's going to probably remember the adrenaline rush of trying to hide inside that wheel well, the beginning of that takeoff, and then about a minute max, 5 minutes after that takeoff he's unconscious. The next thing he remembers, he's waking up and he's landed already. Maybe he thinks he didn't take off. He passed out and is in a completely different place.
[Pereira:] How unusual is it, Dr. Dorian, for a person to survive subzero temperatures, lack of oxygen for 5-12 hours and also that he didn't fall out of the landing gear.
[Dorian:] I kind of describe it as winning the lottery five times in a row. The fashion in which he did it, I would think it was a poor TV show production if they had a kid walk out of a wheel well like this. It's really mind-boggling.
[Pereira:] The story he was telling us, he was trying to get home to Somalia to see his mother. You can imagine the heartbreak. You can imagine the concern the family has. Hopefully he'll get medical attention to deal with any issues that come up after this. Dr. Dorian, what a pleasure to talk to you. Some miracles stories we are talking about. Thanks for joining us from Los Angeles Chris.
[Cuomo:] That just does not make sense. I don't know how that kid managed to not have any effects of such extreme conditions. Let's take a little break on NEW DAY to consider it. When we come back, an object of interest on the shoreline of Western Australia. Could it be debris from Flight 370?
[Bolduan:] The death toll continues to rise in the South Korean ferry disaster. Why did so many victims fail to get out alive? We'll take you inside a simulator to get a better understanding of the life-or- death emergency at sea.

[Paul:] Several arrests part of a disturbing trend when it comes to home grown terrorism. Two Illinois men have been indicted for allegedly conspiring to provide support to ISIS, a U.S. Army National Guard specialist and his cousin accused of plotting a terrorist attack on an Illinois military facility. In the meantime then a Philadelphia woman named Keonna Thomas has been arrested and accused of trying to join ISIS. According to documents, she posted statements on Twitter that led officials to believe that she was trying to support the terrorist organization and if convicted, she could face 15 years in prison.
[Blackwell:] Racially charged e-mails that include offensive remarks about President Obama and the first lady written by former city employees of Ferguson, Missouri are now public record. The exchanges were written by the city's top court clerk and two police officers all of whom were fired or have resigned. Federal investigators found the offensive messages during a civil rights probe. And CNN's Ryan Young has the e-mails for us.
[Ryan Young, Cnn Correspondent:] Christi and Victor, we get our first chance to look at some of these e-mails for the first time. We're not going to show you all of the e-mails, but we want to show you a few of them. Speaking with the folks in Ferguson, they felt like that the police department and some city officials were racist. Now you get the see the e-mails they were trading back and forth. This first photo shows Ronald Reagan holding a monkey and the caption says, "Rare photo of Ronald Reagan babysitting Barack Obama at early 1962." You can feel the offensive nature by just looking at the photo. It moves on to show more photos. They even target the first lady and say that there's a group of women and it says this was a high school reunion for the first lady. These emails cost three people inside the Ferguson city government to step down. The last e-mail compares dogs to welfare recipients. I'll read part of this e-mail and said "I wanted to get welfare for my dog and they're mixed in color and unemployed and lacy and can't speak English." And it eventually goes on to say that he was able to get welfare for his dogs. When you look at the three e-mails and talk to people in Ferguson, you obviously understand another debate will be had after some of these e-mails came to light Christie and Victor.
[Paul:] Thank you, Ryan. I want to tell you about Anthony Ray Hinton. He is waking up a free man this morning after being cleared of a murder conviction that he spent nearly three decades on death row. He was cleared only after a new trial showed the gun used in the murders did not match one that belonged to him.
[Anthony Ray Hinton:] I shouldn't sit on death row 30 years. All they had to do was test the gun, but when you think you are high and mighty and above the law you don't have to answer to nobody. But I got news for them. Everybody that played a part in sending me to death row you will answer to God.
[Paul:] Welcome home, Mr. Hinton. He says he is praying for the families of the murder victims as well because he says they also suffered a miscarriage of justice.
[Blackwell:] A motor home on fire and then there's the race to save a family trapped inside. We've got the dramatic rescue ahead. You have to see more of this. Plus, adrift for 66 days, there is this Virginia man. He is living to tell the story of his time at sea. But can you really survive for more than two months on a capsized boat by drinking rain water and catching fish out of the water? We'll tell you what this man knows and we'll talk to a man who knows if that's possible.

[Costello:] Deadly flash flooding ravages parts of the United States. Three people have died in Texas and Oklahoma and 12 people are missing in Hays County, Texas right now. Daniel Guerrero is the mayor of San Marcos, Texas. He joins me live now on the phone. Welcome, sir.
[Mayor Daniel Guerrero , San Marcos, Texas:] Thank you. Glad to be here.
[Costello:] Mr. Mayor, are those 12 people missing from your town?
[Guerrero:] No, ma'am. I think the 12 that have been referenced during our recent press conference 12 throughout the county. San Marcos is certainly the county seat one of the larger communities in Hays County but that count is for the county at large. A greater portion of the floodwaters that probably had the most devastating effects took place in a community immediately to our west in Wimberley. San Marcos is a little further down in the area from there so we got the same level of floodwaters from what we're seeing thus far reports indicate that a significant amount of damage and still missing folks are more in those hill country areas in Wimberley.
[Costello:] Tell me about the damage in your town.
[Guerrero:] It's significant. This was the most devastating flood in the history of our community and we certainly have had our fair share of significant flooding. This tops the chart. We're looking at upwards of 400 homes that have been damaged or destroyed. We have a fire station that has been put out of operation for a period of time. We're still assessing what we'll need to do to get that back up and functioning. A number of businesses and apartments were damaged as well. Fortunately in the last since the rains have started to subside and the waters have gone down, we've seen a lot of community members coming forward offering their resources and services and banding together with neighbors to start cleanup efforts. We're working with other nonprofit organizations, the Red Cross, Salvation Army, our faith-based communities as well and they're going to be coordinating those volunteer efforts to assist people that have been affected throughout the San Marcos area.
[Costello:] Are you expecting more rain later today?
[Guerrero:] Yes, ma'am. In fact, I'm sitting outside of our police department right now and it's beginning to sprinkle. We are anticipating more rain coming in today throughout the day. I think the projection that I've heard thus far is probably as much as two inches. And with the ground already saturated from previous rain, we're not anticipating that it's going to be absorbed into the soil quickly. So we certainly recognize that folks want to get to their property and get to their homes and begin cleanup efforts but also we want to remind all of our residents that this adventure is not over. I don't anticipate that we'll see flood levels nearly what we saw on Saturday evening and Sunday morning but certainly be cautious and be aware. There's still a lot of debris. There's still a lot of infrastructure that needs to be evaluated, assessed and improved and we're just encouraging caution as folks are beginning to get out into the community.
[Costello:] All right. Mayor Daniel Guerrero thank you so much. I appreciate you being with me this morning because I know
[Guerrero:] Thank you.
[Costello:] you've had a busy weekend and a busy day ahead.
[Guerrero:] Thank you as well.
[Costello:] Still to come in the NEWSROOM, holiday travel is at a ten-year high. Chad Myers is tracking the trend. Good morning.
[Chad Myers, Ams Meteorologist:] Carol, you know, most people are going to be traveling today by car, many of them driving through thunderstorms that you just talked about. I'll show you where that's coming up just in two minutes.

[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] Three deputies.
[Unidentified Female:] Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.
[Carney:] This is pretty much the entirety of the press office staff today. There's a smile. Welcome, everyone. Thanks for being here, as ever. We can go right to questions because I have no announcements to make, although I'm sure I know what you're going to ask. Julie.
[Unidentified Female:] All right. Would you please give us the White House reaction to the Senate deal that was struck today.
[Carney:] The president believes that the bipartisan agreement announced by the leaders of the United States Senate will reopen the government and remove the threat of economic brinksmanship that has already harmed middle class families, American businesses, and our country's economic standing in the world. The president applauds Leader Reid and Minority Leader McConnell for working together to forge this compromise and encourages the Congress to act swiftly to end this shutdown and protect the full faith and credit of the United States of America.
[Unidentified Female:] And I assume that means that he supports the provisions that are included in that, including the two dates for opening the government and raising the debt ceiling?
[Carney:] Well, he does. He believes that this agreement achieves what's necessary in terms of reopening the government and removing the threat of default and the kind of brinksmanship that we've seen, and he, again, we haven't seen legislation move through either House at this point, but so we're not issuing an official statement of administration policy but he looks forward to Congress acting so that he can sign legislation that will reopen the government and remove this threat from our economy.
[Unidentified Female:] Is he confident that both the Senate and the House will be able to vote on this measure today?
[Carney:] We leave parliamentary procedures to the Congress. We obviously hope that each House will be able to act swiftly because we're already on day 16, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, of a wholly unnecessary shutdown of government with real consequences for real people. And we are obviously, you know, very close to the point beyond which the United States Treasury no longer has the authority to borrow new money to meet our obligations. So as soon as possible is essentially the recommendation we would have from here.
[Unidentified Female:] Since we are so close to that deadline, are there any operations or procedures that are going in place today to prepare for the possibility that Congress cannot pass this measure today?
[Carney:] The Treasury is the place that would answer questions like that. What I can tell you is what Secretary Lew has made clear in his testimony and in his letter to Congress, and that is that the Treasury Department will exhaust borrowing authority at the end of the day tomorrow, Thursday, October 17th. And that beyond that point, the Treasury would have only cash on hand. It would not be able to borrow new money to meet obligations. Jeff.
[Unidentified Male:] Jay, how confident is the White House that the House will pass this deal?
[Carney:] We are not putting odds on anything. We're simply applauding the leaders of the Senate for reaching the agreement that they've reached and calling on both houses of Congress to act swiftly to take action to ensure that the government reopens and the threat of default is removed and that the continuing harm that these two situations have caused to our economy can stop.
[Unidentified Male:] The president has said from the beginning that he would not negotiate on this. Now that it looks like there is a deal, do you feel like he fulfilled that pledge?
[Carney:] What the president made clear was his position is that he would not allow a situation to develop where he paid ransom to any party in Congress that was trying to extract unilateral political concessions in return for Congress fulfilling its fundamental responsibilities. And he believes that's the right position for him to take, that it was the right position, it is the right position, and it's the right position for presidents of the future to take because our economy is extremely dependent on the faith and credit that is invested in it by investors around the world. In other words, there is a real, even if intangible, value to the safeness of investing in the United States. And as we've discussed many times over the past days and weeks, threatening that has real does real harm. And obviously default would have even would cause even more harm. But we've already there is already a price that has been paid as we saw in October I mean in 2011 and we've seen again now in the various ways that the flirtation with crossing that line and flirting with default has brought about consequences. So, he felt and feels that it's the right position to take and, again, applauds the leaders of the Senate for coming together and working out a bipartisan solution.
[Unidentified Male:] Is there any concern even with this deal being made that a downgrade from some of the credit rate credit rating agencies can still be pending?
[Carney:] Well, I would refer to you Treasury for those kinds of assessments. I think that we focus on the things we can control which is calling on Congress to quickly act on this compromise agreement and ensure that the government reopens and that the threat of default is removed.
[Unidentified Male:] And lastly, this is leading to additional budget talks later this year. Once those talks are underway, will the White House, will the president insist that revenue continue to be on the table?
[Carney:] The president has insisted that in these budget negotiations that he's been calling for all year, everything has to be on the table. And that will be his position going forward. What he believes is a fair approach to resolving our budget challenges is reflected in the budget he submitted. He knows that even though that was a compromise proposition from the beginning and reflected the offer he made to speaker Boehner at the end of last year that he will not get, in a budget negotiation, everything he wants and neither will Democrats and neither will Republicans. And that's the nature of compromise. But he firmly believes that balance, when it comes to further reducing our deficits and building on the work that has been done over these past four years where in which we have reduced our deficits by half, we need to continue to take a balanced approach so that no sector of society unfairly has to bear the brunt of that the project. That's always been his position and it will be his position moving forward.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you.
[Carney:] Yes.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn Senior White House Correspondent:] Thanks, Jay. Can you give us a little color how the president was informed of the deal, who told him, what his reaction was?
[Carney:] No.
[Keilar:] None?
[Carney:] Right now, Brianna, I think we're looking to Capitol Hill for action to be taken. The president, as you know, has been in contact with leaders in Congress as have members of his team. And we are encouraged by the progress that we've seen. And hope that it is fulfilled through votes in both the Senate and the House.
[Keilar:] Can you give us any more about how he was involved in the process?
[Carney:] Well, as I've said, he's been and as you know, he's had meetings with leaders of Congress. He's had phone calls with leaders of Congress. He invited all members of both Houses to the White House. And it is also the case that we don't inform you of every phone call that he makes either to members of Congress or to others. So, he's been engaged in this process. His team has been engaged in this process. Ultimately, our position has been consistent and clear and, therefore, not that the complicated to communicate either to you or the public or to Congress. We have simply urged all sides to, you know, put down sort of or put aside, you know, the efforts to achieve partisan advantage and leverage and instead, to move forward with an agreement that opens the government and raises the debt ceiling so that the threat of default does not hang over us at the time you know, at this time.
[Keilar:] The president said yesterday basically once this whole mess was resolved, he said, once that's done, you know, the day after, I'm going to be pushing to say call a vote on immigration reform.
[Carney:] Yes.
[Keilar:] Does he really think that a recipe for success on immigration reform one divisive issue is to deal with it right after another divisive issue?
[Carney:] The president believes that one of the consequences of these manufactured crises is that time is taken away from the pursuit of other goals that we have as a nation. And that includes economic goals that go to the heart of his agenda to build a better building a better bargain for the middle class. And it goes also to the project of bringing about legislation that he can sign that comprehensively reforms our immigration system in this country. Now, that legislation passed the Senate with a significant bipartisan majority. And he absolutely believes that the House ought to take up that legislation and pass it. And as we've discussed in recent days, that's not a partisan pursuit. It's the opposite of a partisan pursuit, one, because it requires votes from both parties and it
[Keilar:] So, does he think does he think pushing it right away
[Carney:] also would benefit both parties.
[Keilar:] does he think pushing it right away increases the chances of yielding a result that he might
[Carney:] I think the president was simply reflecting that unfortunately even though we've been pushing for comprehensive immigration reform all year long and it's been a major priority, there is no question that the decision by the House to shut the government down and to flirt with default has forced him and everyone in Congress to pay attention to those problems and to those crises rather than the many other things that we could and should be working on and immigration reform is one of them. And I don't think again, there are many, many proponents of comprehensive immigration reform in the Republican Party and within the broader Republican universe. So, this is not a he's not saying that he's going to wants to come out and push some Democratic agenda item. He wants to continue the effort that has been underway all year to try to pass a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform legislation that would strengthen the economy, help our middle class, reduce the deficit, and make us more competitive in the future. So, that is one of the many priorities that he will be pushing and he hopes members of Congress will be pushing once we can move past these unfortunate
[Keilar:] He thinks he has a better shot
[Carney:] and unnecessary crises.
[Keilar:] he thinks he has a better shot to do that right now though?
[Carney:] Well, again, I don't I don't think that I can sort of place, you know, quantitative odds on the prospects of any of this. The Congress is a difficult institution to make predictions about. So, our view is simply that it's the right thing to do and we're going to push for it. And we think there's a strong argument to be made on a whole array of areas when it comes to immigration reform. It's the economically right thing to do. It's the it's the right thing to do when it comes to deficit reduction. It's the right thing to do when it comes to ensuring that the best and the brightest from around the world who come here and get an education stay here and start businesses. It's the right thing to do when it comes to further strengthening our border security. So, there's something in that bill for everyone and which is why it's the right thing for America. John.
[Unidentified Male:] Just one I got to try on phone conversations.
[Carney:] OK.
[Unidentified Male:] When was the last time the president spoke to the speaker of the House?
[Carney:] I don't have any new conversations to read out to you but as I've noted many times, so don't read anything specific into this, the president has conversations with members of Congress that we do not read out in all cases. So, at this time, I have no readouts to provide.
[Unidentified Male:] Does the president have an assurance from the speaker of the House that the House will vote on this?
[Carney:] I would refer to you the House in terms of actions that the House may or may not take be.
[Unidentified Male:] Does the president expect the speaker to bring this up for a vote?
[Carney:] The president hopes that both Houses will act swiftly on this agreement in order to reopen the government and remove the threat of default and this continued brinksmanship from, you know, the harm it's causing to this economy. I'm not sure that was a great sentence. But I I apologize.
[Unidentified Male:] I got you.
[Carney:] Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
[Unidentified Male:] I totally understand. Does this agreement represent
[Unidentified Male:  Carney:] I can't even it's not even the Red Sox game wasn't even late so I can't blame that.
[Unidentified Male:] Does this agreement
[Carney:] But since I'm speaking about the Red Sox, how about John lackey, huh? Pretty good.
[Unidentified Male:] Moving on.
[Carney:] Moving on.
[Unidentified Male:] Does this does this agreement represent a complete win for the White House?
[Carney:] There are no winners here. We said that from the beginning and we're going to say it right up to the end because it's true. The American people have paid a price for this. And nobody who is sent here to Washington by the American people can call themselves a winner if the American people have paid a price for what's happened. And the economy has suffered because of it. And it was wholly unnecessary. And let's just remind ourselves that we're not even out of it yet. This is not done. We need action to be taken so that the government can reopen and the threat of default can be removed.
[Unidentified Male:] The President or in this agreement, is there a little bit of ransom paid? I mean, there is a provision in here that requires verification for recipients of subsidies under the Affordable Care Act.
[Carney:] The income verification provision to which you refer was negotiated by Senate Democrats and Senate Republicans and is a modest adjustment to the existing Affordable Care Act law. We have always said we are willing to make improvements and adjustments to the law. Ransom would be a wholly different thing.
[Unidentified Male:] Well, it's a little bit of ransom.
[Carney:] No, no, not if
[Unidentified Male:] Because it was something that was done with the gun
[Carney:] not if
[Unidentified Male:] on the table and
[Carney:] not if
[Unidentified Male:] -
[Carney:] both sides agree to it and we support it. We're fine with it.
[Unidentified Male:] OK. And very quick to just factual things on the Affordable Care Act. Can you give us some updated figures on Web traffic? You were very free with this in the first few days so where are we now?
[Carney:] Here's what I can tell you. Today, we are two weeks into the implementation of the Affordable Care Act's health insurance marketplace where Americans, regardless of their income, job status or age or health status can be access quality affordable health coverage they can rely on. Health care reform is more than a Web site. Across the country, people are getting health insurance. Although the glitches are unacceptable, so is the idea of leaving millions of Americans on their own, including families across the country who now have access to health care they did not have the two weeks ago. I noted that on one network today that there was a suggestion that that network could not find a single story of someone enrolling which was ironic because they're all over the rest of the media including in Delaware. A small business owner found a plan that costs her $150 less than the cost of her previous plan. Again, these are other media reports. Not information we're collecting or disseminating. The Kaiser Health News refers to a college student who will pay $70 a month after federal subsidies, the same amount he is currently paying but for much broader coverage. And he says, I'm thrilled to get something this good at that price. It was a complete surprise. In New Mexico, a business owner signed up his employees and got quoted a policy that will save $1,000 per month. This is the owner of a law firm in New Mexico. And I had mentioned some other stories. And these are just stories that reflect despite the glitches that we acknowledge and that absolutely must be fixed, people are getting on and enrolling. They are finding an enormous array of options available to them that weren't available to them in the past. And we are focused on consumers here and consumers are just regular Americans out there who want the option of being able to be buy affordable health insurance. And what we're seeing from the anecdotes that have been reported are that people are finding those options available to them and are excited about them and the volume that we've seen reflects the fact that the interest is extremely high. And, you know, that volume continues. I don't have it in front of me but maybe I can find it for you. It continues to be extremely high. We have 560,000 calls have been made to the marketplace call center. And I'm sure I just have a lot of material here. I know that the numbers of people coming to the Web site remain extremely high.
[Unidentified Male:] You'll get the updated numbers.
[Carney:] Sure.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you have even an estimate for me now? We we're two weeks into this. How many people have a
[Carney:] We've said repeatedly, John, that we will release enrollment figures monthly. So, I would expect the first figures to come out in mid-November.
[Unidentified Male:] Thanks. Jay.
[Carney:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] I understand what you are saying about there's no winners. But, clearly, the White House wanted to establish a new norm, no reopening the government with what you consider to be partisan legislative attachments avoiding default with the same approach.
[Carney:] Yes.
[Unidentified Male:] Has that strategy been vindicated and do you believe 16 days of shutdown was worth that effort to achieve that
[Carney:] The shutdown was wholly unnecessary. And this was a manufactured crisis. The president's position from the beginning was that Congress ought to pass a continuing resolution at existing funding levels. He made no requests associated with that.
[Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary:] That Congress ought to pass a continuing resolution at existing funding levels. He made no requests associated with that, demanded no concessions in return for signing of legislation that would extend government funding to allow for broader budget negotiations. So
[Unidentified Male:] But he did want to push back on the idea that you could use either one of these pieces of these deadlines as leverage? Is that
[Carney:] The president believes that it is the right position to take and it remains the right position to take that especially when it comes to the full faith and credit of the United States that neither he nor any of his successors can allow a dynamic to take root where raising the debt ceiling is used as leverage, or the refusal to raise the debt ceiling is used as leverage, to try to achieve some partisan policy objective.
[Unidentified Male:] Do you believe this now settles that question?
[Carney:] Again, we don't have a bill to sign. So I we're not in a position here to even say that the government has been reopened or the debt ceiling has been lifted. So I think hopefully when we do, we can have a fuller discussion about what comes next. So I don't want to get ahead of where we are today. We are pleased with the progress made in the Senate and the agreement announced by Leaders Reid and McConnell today, and very much appreciate the bipartisan effort underway in the Senate that reflects, we believe, a model for how we can move forward. And, after all, this has only been about basic stuff, funding the government, making sure the United States pays its bills. We will have, hopefully, serious, substantive negotiations around a broader budget agreement. And in that process hopefully there will be a willingness to compromise by both sides. And if and if that is the case, then perhaps we can reach a broader budget agreement that will settle some of these disputes in a way where nobody gets everything he or she wants, but the American people win because there is increased certainty and necessary investments to help our economy grow and protect and expand the middle class. And, you know, that's what we seek here. And we think that that's those are goals that really have been and can be shared by members of both parties.
[Unidentified Male:] Those negotiations in a second. Can the country anticipate hearing from the president when this process finishes itself on Capitol Hill?
[Carney:] You know, I don't have any scheduling announcements to make when it comes to the president. Obviously, he's been very much engaged in this and has spoken publicly about it rather frequently. So we'll have to see once we have a resolution as to, you know, what format his first comments about it will take.
[Unidentified Male:] Logistically, is it important, once the legislation is completed, when it is completed, that it get over here right away to avoid this scenario that the Treasury secretary has laid out, or do you think there's some time, 24, 48 hours, it's not an urgent matter that the legislation get here?
[Carney:] I think that the uncertainty that has already been created has caused harm to our economy and I'm just citing the financial press in saying that. This is not some inside information. We know it based on what's been reported. So, the sooner you know, as soon as possible is the approach is the ask that we're making of Congress, act swiftly. You know, the problem with reaching the debt ceiling, the problem with reaching that date where beyond which the United States no longer has the authority to borrow new money, is that it is uncharted territory. And You know, I would I would point you to what Secretary Lew and others have said about this and simply urge Congress to act swiftly.
[Unidentified Male:] On the negotiations, once they occur, is it the highest priority of the White House to undo or redraw sequestration?
[Carney:] The president has many priorities reflected in his budget. I think the president believes we ought to set budget policy in a way that makes wise choices about how we invest and sequester definitely does not fit the bill
[Unidentified Male:] Does the president
[Carney:] In that because it was sort of mindless across the board cuts that I mean, by design, that took away from lawmakers and policymakers the ability to make wise choices about how we fund our government and what investments we make so that the economy can grow and what are the what programs provide the best bang for the taxpayer dollar when it comes to growth and job creation. So we certainly we certainly Well, again, I don't think it's all about sequester. The president's budget has savings that completely eliminate the sequester and then exceed it when it comes to deficit reduction. So it is clearly his belief, as a belief shared by many Republicans, that the cuts created by sequester are done with an ax instead of a scalpel or a clear instead of a scalpel, and they thereby do harm unnecessarily to various aspects of our government and our economy. And we ought to do better. We ought to come together and negotiate a broader budget agreement in which everybody can agree on where to cut, how to reduce the deficit, where to invest and plus up some programs because they're good for the economy and good for the middle class, good for educating our children and investing in our future. And from that, we can, you know, strengthen the foundation that we've built already for economic growth in the future. Ed.
[Unidentified Male:] Jay, on the following on Major's question about the strategy of not negotiating over fault and whether or not that's been vindicated, during the campaign the president also talked about if he won the election, he would break this Republican fever he thought was there to sort of not work with him. With this deal, do you think he's made any progress in breaking that fever or have Ted Cruz and other Republicans kind of driven both sides further apart?
[Carney:] It's a great question and I think it's fair to say that, you know, the experience that we've all had demonstrates that the kind of hyper partisanship that was a problem in the past, especially in one house, has, you know, continues to be a challenge. And that when pursued, at the expense of good governance and the American people, it does harm to our economy and just causes dysfunction here in Washington. You know, it's a way of asking, a good way, but a way of asking the same question that was asked before, which is, you know, how do we what odds do we set on cooperation and bipartisan compromise in the future? And I don't think we would put odds on that. We would simply hope that this experience, if and when it's over, would remind all of us here that these kinds of crises only create harm to the American people and to the American economy. There are costs that have already been incurred because of shutdown, because of the flirtation with default, and they're not retrievable. So we ought to instead focus on making progress instead of, you know, creating all this unnecessary conflict. So but whether or not, you know, this experience has will lead to different choices in the future is really a question for members of Congress.
[Unidentified Male:] But on the last part of Ted Cruz, I know you guys don't like to comment on him directly, but him and whoever supports him, have they been do you think they've driven people apart? Do you think that there's any room for compromise that you talked about moving forward from this?
[Carney:] Well, that again, I completely legitimate questions. I think that, you know, these are these are questions that can be best answered by Republicans in both houses. The what we know is that the strategy that was pursued shut the government down, caused harm to the economy and to the American people, kept people out of a lot of people out of, has kept a lot of people out of work I should very much refrain from using the past tense here and, you know, has brought us already to the brink of breaching the debt ceiling. So and it certainly doesn't seem, based on my armchair analysis, to have won any of the adherence to that approach anything substantive. So I would simply say that but I think it's important to note that the voices calling for a reasonable approach and for compromise have been both Democratic and Republican. There is a, I think, large constituency of conservative Republicans who, you know, believe that it's not right for the American people and the American economy to take an all or nothing approach. And we've heard those voices. And some of the Republicans who have expressed that opinion are the ones who have been very helpful in the Senate in helping, you know, bring about the agreement that was announced today.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you for trying to answer the Republican side, even though I didn't ask you too.
[Carney:] No, I didn't really, but
[Unidentified Male:] No, but well, you tried. But let me ask you take a final crack at it from the president's perspective. In one of the interviews he did yesterday with WABC in New York, he said the problem is that Speaker Boehner gets weakened every time he negotiates with the president. These are the president's words. He gets an agreement with him. Then Boehner goes back and, quote, "can't control his caucus." So if we accept that premise, I suspect the Boehner people might push back, but let's accept the president's premise, question very simple, what is the solution? Does the president want a new speaker? Does the president think there's something he can add a solution, some new approach he can bring? You said the American people paid a price from this debate. Has the president, with three years ago, have the Republican leaders, have they paid a price? What the solution
[Carney:] I think, again, everyone pays a price for, you know, the failure to function here in Washington. So on that question, the answer I think is pretty clear. On I think what the president was saying in that interview is reflected by what we've all seen over these past several years and many of you have reported, which is that even when there has been a sincere willingness in our view by Republican leaders to try to find a compromise on some of these broader budget issues, there has not been the support for leadership to consummate those potential agreements. And I think that is a bland statement of the obvious. So and that has played out a number of times. I think, as I've said many times, the president has a good relationship with Speaker Boehner and I'm not trying to harm him by saying that because you know, and believes that Speaker Boehner has, in their negotiations over the years, sincerely wanted to or tried to find a compromise. And when it comes to, you know, moving forward, the president is going to take the same approach with the same open mindedness about compromise that he has in the past and he hopes that there will be leaders and rank and file members of the Republican Party willing to meet him halfway and reach a deal that does good for our economy and for our people.
[Unidentified Male:] Thank you. The president recently, from that podium, Jay, apologized to the American people for having to put up with government by crisis. I think you've addressed this in some form. But why today, given the fact that this is such a short-term deal, should Americans have any faith that any broader deal can be achieved by this president and this Congress within 90 days?
[Carney:] Well, that's a fair question. I think that, again, there seems to be an openness, not just by Democrats but by Republicans, to trying to forge a compromise on our broader budget issues. Whether, you know, how big that agreement would be will depend on how the negotiations go. But the president has sought that kind of broader compromise and certainly Democrats have sought it and there have been Republicans and are Republicans who seek it. So perhaps this will create an opportunity to finally reach a broader agreement that invests in areas of the economy that need to be invested in and that makes smart and balanced choices about further reducing our deficit.
[Unidentified Male:] Does the president have any regrets about anything relating to his management of these simultaneous crises or any crises that preceded these that may have created this situation we're presently in? What would be his number one regret from his position?
[Carney:] I think the president's position has been pretty clear. So in in this Well, there well, I was going to let me get in this in this these twos manufactured crises that we've been dealing with in the last several weeks. The president made clear what his view was, made clear that he was asking for nothing in return for Congress doing its job, no concessions demanded on his part and made clear that he believed that shutting the government down and threatening default would only do harm to the American people and the American economy. And that, I think, he believes that that was the right position to take and continues to be the right position to take and he is very optimistic or hopeful that the agreement announced today can be moved through Congress so that we can get beyond these crises. I think it's fair to say, as the president has said, that what happened in 2011 was you know, created the precedent here that that was so important to avoid in 2013 and that the willingness at the time to try to link the debt ceiling issue, the absolutely need for Congress to ensure that America pays its bills, around policy demands by the Republicans did real harm. And those, I think, are lessons we all learned. Because there's no question, as we debated in the past, in previous years, you know, legislation to increase the debt ceiling has been attached to different bills and discussed within the context of budget and other policy negotiations, but the concrete willingness to default and threaten default is not something we had ever seen until 2011, and the economy paid a price as a result. I think we all, including the president, learned lessons from that.
[Unidentified Reporter:] Already some businesses are reaching out to their employees, contract employees and others in preparing them to come back to work as early as tomorrow. Has the White House done anything proactively to have its entire staff back in position as early as tomorrow?
[Carney:] Not that I'm aware of. But we'll take the question. Carol?
[Unidentified Reporter:] When asked if you are confident the House will pass this agreement you said you're not going to put odds on anything. Given that you seem a little skeptical about it, is there anything that the president is doing today to try and move this forward either on the House or Senate side?
[Carney:] Again, the president has been in regular communication with congressional leaders. I don't have any specific conversations to read out. His team has been in regular communication with congressional leaders and their staffs. And I'm not expressing skepticism. I'm simply not saying this is done, because it's not done. And we call on Congress to act quickly to pass legislation that the president can sign so that we can reopen the government and remove the threat of default that has been looming over us for so many days now. Yes?
[Unidentified Reporter:] So investors are holding $120 billion in treasury bills coming due tomorrow. Should they still be
[Carney:] You get the sense that Bloomberg is asking a question?
[Unidentified Reporter:] Should they still be worried that they're not going to be paid?
[Carney:] I would refer you to treasury. I would simply say that the borrowing authority of the United States, the treasury has, under current law, is exhausted at the end of the day tomorrow, as the treasury secretary has made clear repeatedly. Beyond that, if there's not a resolution to this, and the debt ceiling isn't lifted, then we have a cash-on-hand situation when it comes to meeting our obligations. For more on that, I refer to you the building down the street.
[Unidentified Reporter:] And given that the agreement only extends the debt ceiling to February 7th, why should investors not anticipate that they'll be in this economically precarious position four months from now?
[Carney:] I'd say a couple of things. One, the agreement includes retaining the abilities of the treasury secretary to exercise extraordinary measures, which is important because we need to have that cushion against the prospect of a potential unwillingness by Congress to raise the debt ceiling. Two, I imagine those were authorities that has always existed during this process but there was some discussion at various stages of this debate about removing those authorities. But that should not give anybody any false security. I would simply say that it is important that those authorities be retained. Secondly, going to questions I got from the front row, we can only hope that this experience and the experience from 2011 is informative to members of Congress when it comes to the absolute necessity to ensure that the United States can always pay its bills on time without drama or delay because

[Carl Azuz, Cnn Student News Anchor:] Fridays are awesome. Welcome to CNN STUDENT NEWS, commercial-free current events. I`m Carl Azuz at the CNN Center. First up, this first day of May, we`ve been reporting on the peaceful protest in the riots in Baltimore, Maryland. Tensions in the eastern U.S. city heated up after the arrest and mysterious death of Freddie Gray. Here`s what we know about it: the 25-year-old African-American man was arrested on April 12th. At some point, he suffered a severe injury to his spine. Gray died on April 19th. Officials are trying to determine whether Gray was injured before his arrest, during his arrest, or at some point afterward while he was being transported in a police van. The police department has done its investigation yesterday, and gave those findings to prosecutors in the Baltimore attorney`s office. Other investigations continue. Meanwhile, some current and former members of the NFL`s Baltimore Ravens have been visiting schools near where the protests occurred. Dozens of pro-football players and coach John Harbaugh had been distributing food, encouraging students and discouraging them from getting involved in violence.
[Subtitle:] Supervolcano fears. Underneath Yellowstone National Park lies a supervolcano that will erupt some day. Scientists say an eruption would cover much of the western United States with volcanic ash. Beneath Old Faithful is a plum of hot rock large enough to fill the Grand Canyon l4 times. The yearly chance of a supervolcano eruption is 1 in 700,000. In 1980, Mount St. Helen`s erupted, scattering volcanic ash across Washington state. The last known eruption of Yellowstone was 640,000 years ago. The eruption created the Yellowstone Caldera, a 1,500 square mile crater.
[Azuz:] The U.S.-led coalition continues to attack terrorists in the Middle East. Yesterday, officials reported 21 airstrikes against ISIS, Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, the very countries where the airstrikes were carried. Like other terrorist groups, ISIS routinely murder civilians, sometimes by the dozens. But unlike many other terrorist groups, ISIS is relatively well-organized. When it takes over territory, it then sets up government there.
[Arwa Damon, Cnn Senior International Correspondent:] ISIS sees itself as a state, a government. Its ambition: to be an Islamic caliphate that claims sovereignty over the world`s Muslim communities. So, how does ISIS govern the territory it controls? Accepts the garbage, run schools and patrols the traffic. This is an area larger than many countries and ISIS has divided the territory into Wilayats or provinces, each of which has a governor. Several new provinces had been created, virtually erasing the SyriaIraq border. At the top of the government is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self- declared caliph of ISIS. He has the sort of cabinet, the Shura Council, and beneath that, about 10 ministries or councils that maintain everything from health, education and religious rulings, to transportation and even environmental policy. Despite its medieval sense of justice, in many ways, ISIS runs a surprisingly modern bureaucracy, according to terror analyst. The health department has fully operational hospitals, complete with maternity wards, babies are delivered daily, registered and issued with official ISIS birth certificates. It also has a court system that runs its strict interpretation of Sharia or Islamic law. Theft, for example, is punishable by chopping off the hand. It also handles everything from traffic violations to rental disputes. The education department runs several schools, and even the university in Mosul. Girls receive an education, though segregated from boys. And the curriculum is severely limited, no art, music, or theater, no psychical education or philosophy just reading, writing, math and, of course, religion according to ISIS. In many places, ISIS has simply taken over the civil infrastructure already in place, particularly in war-torn Syria. ISIS hopes to prove it is bringing order to chaos, however violent its rule.
[Roll Call Azuz:] Water Winter Wonderland is one nickname for the state of Michigan. We`re diving in to today`s roll call. Petoskey High School is in the city of Petoskey. The Northmen are watching there. We would love to visit sometimes. Next, we`re going to the Peach State with the Black Knights of Richards Middle School are online. Hello, Lawrenceville, Georgia. And in the Western Pacific, it`s great to see the Wolverines in Okinawa, Japan. Kadena Middle School wraps up our roll. A new candidate in the race for the White House Senator Bernie Sanders announced his candidacy yesterday. He`s an independent from Vermont, but he`ll try to become the Democratic Party`s nominee for president. Also seeking the Democratic nomination, former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. On the Republican side, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, and Florida Senator Marco Rubio have formally announced their candidacies. The nation of Greece includes about 2,000 islets, fewer than 200 of them are inhabited and one of them is what`s been labeled a Blue Zone. These are areas in the world where people tend to live longer. There`s one in Okinawa, Japan, where our roll call school was. There`s on in Sardinia, Italy. What is it about Ikaria, Greece, that according to Bluezones.com helps people live longer with fewer cases of cancer and heart disease?
[Bill Weir, Cnn Correspondent:] The island of Ikaria a short ferry ride back in time. Like many of the Greek islands, it is a lush, rugged rock perched above the ashore Aegean Sea. But unlike the rest of Greece, the rest of Europe, heck, the rest of the most of the world, Ikarians live really long and really well. True story: a 104-year-old woman walked into a bank on this island, looking for a loan. The banker politely explained that financing is only available to those under the age of 103. So, how they manage to thumb their nose at the Grim Reaper display? As the ferry gets closer to this intriguing island, the first vital hint comes into view. [on camera]: You`ll notice that the shoreline of Ikaria is not exactly the most hospitable when it comes to docking a boat, very rocky, very craggy, no real natural ports. And enter the winds around this part of the Aegean, notoriously squarely, sailors have been complaining about these winds going back to the Iliad. So, that combination of factors made this island a really lonely place for a long time. [voice-over]: Yes, by a cork of geology and meteorology, the creep of modern society completely missed Ikaria. All the striving, the stresses sailed ride on by.
[Unidentified Male:] In all blue zones, about 95 percent of their dietary intake is plants. It`s actually very high carb, believe it or not. All these protein, paleo stuff, not in blue zones.
[Weir:] Really?
[Unidentified Male:] They`re eating very high carb diet, but complex carbohydrates. Almost all plants.
[Weir:] These hills are filled with herbs and greens and teas, all filled with antioxidant homeopathic goodness. Even Ikarian honey is one of a kind. [on camera]: So, the bees pollinate with this fine, kind of scrub brush and it creates this distinctive honey.
[Unidentified Male:] Yes, that`s really thick. It looks like peanut butter and it`s actually an anti-cancer agent.
[Weir:] And is it true they take a big spoonful every morning, just to coat the digestive
[Unidentified Male:] Several yes, several of the centenarians would for the first thing, they start the morning with the tablespoon of honey and the idea is that not only coats it but also lowers inflammation.
[Azuz:] So, before we go segment have story, summer is just a random, goofy things that people and animals do. And summer just really cool to look at. Like this lava lake in Hawaii. The state`s Kilauea Volcano has overflowed. Activity here isn`t exactly unusual. It`s the most active volcano in the world. The thing has been erupting for more than 30 years. It`s really cool to visit, but you probably don`t want to live too close by. Even some photographers would say there`s no Kilauea, they get that close. But there`s a lot to love about the pictures, if any one calderas to visit them. I`m Carl Azuz and we`ll have even quieter punch next week. END

[Conan O'brien, Host, "conan":] The first President Bush, the elder President Bush, visited the White House yesterday. At the White House yesterday, former president, George H.W. Bush, gave President Obama a pair of socks. That's right, yes. That's nice, yes. President Obama thanked him and said the last time I got a gift from the Republicans, it was Mitt Romney.
[Jay Leno, Host, "the Tonight Show With Jay Leno":] Last week, President Obama told a group of schoolchildren that broccoli was his favorite food which the kids seemed to believe him. Then he told them Obamacare would reduce the deficit and the kids all burst out laughing.
[Bolduan:] That is actually pretty good. No, H.W. does have some good socks. Their entire website is tracking his sock selections.
[Cuomo:] Really?
[Bolduan:] Yes. He's got some nice socks.
[Cuomo:] Who knew? The brightest stars in baseball gathered last night in New York City for the all-star game. Let's bring in Andy Scholes with the "Bleacher Report" this morning, and it was hot, but it was a great game, great moment for one big star. Tell us about it.
[Andy Scholes, Bleacher Report:] Hey, good morning, guys. The all-star game in baseball considered by many as the best all-star game in all sports. It's not just an exhibition. The winner, of course, secures their league home field advantage in the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. To decide to win the all-star, last four all-star games had gone on to win the World Series. Mets Ace Matt Harvey getting the start for the National League on his home field, second batter of the game ouch, drills Robinson Cano in the knee. Cano would leave the game, but he's expected to be OK. While it was a rough night for Cano, his teammate, Mariano Rivera, would have one last hurrah in the midsummer classic. Rivera who is retiring at the end of the season came in to pitch the eighth inning for the American League. His teammate left him alone on the field and gave him a standing ovation to start the inning. The 43-year-old would record three straight outs and even though he didn't get the save, Rivera was named the MVP of the game as the American League got the win 3-0. All right, guys. Take a look at this Carolina Panthers Nike T-shirt and tell me if you can see what's wrong with it? Panthers logo and the letters NC are inside the wrong state.
[Bolduan:] OK. I am vindicated. I said that's not North Carolina. And everyone's like you got to be wrong, Kate.
[Scholes:] The team plays in Charlotte, North Carolina. Nike, they realized the mistake and they took all the shirts off the racks and apologize for the error.
[Bolduan:] I would say, but now, that's a collector's item.
[Scholes:] Yes. You have to buy it on eBay now.
[Bolduan:] Yes, exactly.
[Cuomo:] Good stuff. Andy Scholes, thank you very much, my friend.
[Bolduan:] Thanks, Andy.
[Cuomo:] Always appreciate "The Bleacher Report."
[Bolduan:] You hear it? You hear it?
[Cuomo:] I do hear that. The music of news.
[Bolduan:] The music of news, and also, that means it's time for the "Rock Block," a quick roundup of the stories that'll be making headlines this morning Michaela.
[Pereira:] It's a rock and news. All right. Here we go, first in the papers of "The Washington Post," job cuts at the Pentagon, defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, calling for 20 percent reduction in senior staff both military and civilian by 2019. And from the "New York Times," a new British study finds dementia rates declining by 25 percent over the past two decades in the UK and Wales. Researchers believe the same thing is happening in all developed countries. And "USA" reporting on Jay-Z's new mega hit "Magna Carta." It's his 13th number one album. That's a record. Remember, Jay-Z gave away a million "Magna Carta's" already. All right. Time now for Christine Romans with your business news.
[Christine Romans, Cnn Business Correspondent:] Good morning. Ninety minutes and counting, that's when Ben Bernanke's testimony gets released. Wall Street is salivating. The fed chairman speaks at 10:00 a.m. but the snooping starts at 8:30. When its comments are released, it could move market. Remember Booz Allen? That's the firm where Edward Snowden worked when he leaked top secret info? The "Wall Street Journal" says Booz just won its first major military contract since then a piece of a billion- dollar project. Yahoo! doesn't have much to cheer about. In an unusual anchor-style news conference, CEO, Marissa Meyer, she marked her one-year anniversary and talked about earnings. Profit was up, the sales were stagnant. Let's get to Indra Petersons outside in a Times Square for the hot weather Indra.
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes. That's an understatement. The heat is still on. We're talking about advisories say a large metropolitan city stretching from Southern New England all the way down to Philadelphia, but that's not all today. This is spreading even farther to the west as high pressure builds. You're talking about Detroit and even on Minneapolis. So, really, entire Ohio Valley and now into the Midwest dealing with the heat. We're talking temperatures 95 degrees, add in the humidity, and it feels like over 100 degrees.
[Bolduan:] All right. Thanks so much, Indra. We're going to check back with you in just a minute, but we are now at the top of the hour which means it's time for the top news.
[Cuomo:] Too hot to handle. Temperatures spiking across the country in an epic heat wave that just won't let up. One county now with no water. When will the heat break?
[Bolduan:] CNN exclusive, new details from juror B37 in the George Zimmerman trial. There was a lone holdout who wanted to convict. This as four other jurors make their first public comments.
[Pereira:] Toxic mix, the investigation into the death of "Glee" actor, Cory Monteith, now complete. New revelations on his struggles with drugs and alcohol and how they led to his death.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now.
[Announcer:] What you need to know.
[Unidentified Male:] We must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence.
[Announcer:] What you just have to see.
[Unidentified Male:] Agree to pay the fine and let you go if you take his hand in marriage?
[Unidentified Female:] Oh, my gosh, yes. Oh, my God.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Cuomo:] Good morning, good morning. Welcome, everybody. This is NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, July 17th, seven o'clock in the east. I'm Chris Cuomo.
[Bolduan:] Hey, everyone. I'm Kate Bolduan. We're joined by news anchor, Michaela Pereira.
[Pereira:] Good morning.
[Bolduan:] Coming up this hour, much more from that incredible exclusive CNN interview with the only George Zimmerman juror speaking out. Her shocking revelations about the last day of deliberations, was there a holdout?
[Cuomo:] And it is the case that is putting Florida's stand your ground law under the microscope, not the Zimmerman trial as we now know stand your ground wasn't the reason for that verdict, it's a story about a mother spending 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot at her allegedly abusive husband. Is that fair? Story's taking over social media. We're going to take a close look at it.
[Pereira:] And guess what, the government is not the only one spying on you, retailers tracking your movements as you move through their stores but how and why.
[Cuomo:] Let's get started this morning with something that's affecting tens of millions right now, that dangerous heat wave that just isn't letting up. Let's take a look at the map and look at all of that deep red. You can see how many states across the country are going to be sweating it out well into the weekend. Indra Petersons is outside of New York's Times Square. Good morning, Indra. Tell us about it.
[Petersons:] Good morning. Yes. This dangerous heat wave continues even in the overnight hours really not seeing that relief. Temperatures still into the 80s with 70 percent humidity, and unfortunately, it looks like this heat wave is spreading today. Take a look. The heat is on. Dangerous temperatures are scorching much of the nation from the Midwest all the way to the northeast. The heat can be deadly. This year alone, excessive temperatures have taken the lives of nearly 20 children left alone in hot cars.

[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] Breaking overnight, the death toll jumps. More than 70 people killed when a train derails in Spain, splitting in half. We're live at the scene.
[Kate Bolduan, Cnn Anchor:] Staying in it. Anthony Weiner defiant amid renewed calls for him to leave the New York mayoral race. CNN goes one-on-one with the embattled politician.
[Michaela Pereira, Cnn Anchor:] Meet Prince George, the royal baby gets a name. A visit with his royal relatives and now a stay in the country. We'll tell you why he's staying with her family and not the royals.
[Cuomo:] Your NEW DAY starts right now.
[Announcer:] This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
[Cuomo:] Good morning, everybody. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Thursday, July 25, 6:00in the East. I'm Chris Cuomo. Very happy to have the one true Princess Kate back at my side from London.
[Bolduan:] Flattering. We will get you everywhere. So great to be back here, everybody. Good morning. I'm Kate Bolduan. We're joined by news anchor, Michaela Pereira.
[Pereira:] Welcome back.
[Bolduan:] Everyone is talking about Anthony Weiner and his wife, Huma Abedin. Many wondering why is she staying with him? New information this morning that she did, in fact, consider leaving him. We're going to talk to people who know her very well. And we have a lot of new information on Sydney Leathers, the woman Weiner was talking to online. There's a photo of her. Her friend opens up about that relationship.
[Cuomo:] And also, this is an important one. You have your friends or you, you're getting ready to plan a vacation, right? This is the peak season. We have information you should know before you book your next cruise. The CEOs of the many of the country's major cruise liners were dressed down by the Senate on Wednesday for their recent mess-ups, this, as a new CNN investigation found unsanitary conditions for food on board one cruise liner. The CDC even investigated it.
[Pereira:] Plus, a real must see moment. Take a look at this photo. It is George H.W. Bush, the country's 41st president with his head shaved. Why? Well, it turns out to be a touching tribute to someone he only recently met. We'll tell that story coming up.
[Bolduan:] All right, he is the candidate who just won't quit it seems. The defiant Anthony Weiner is refusing to bow out of the big apple's mayoral race despite more humiliating revelations. I'm still on London time, his online escapades. This morning we're learning more about why his wife chose to stay in their marriage and stand by her husband. Dana Bash is here with us this morning. Hi, Dana. It's so great to see you, too, not only following this story, you all over the story the first time around. So what is the latest on this one?
[Dana Bash, Cnn Chief Congressional Correspondent:] This is definitely not something that we thought we would live through again. I was out on the campaign trail witnessing Anthony Weiner firsthand yesterday and it is very clear he is staying in this race for better or worse.
[Bash:] With Anthony Weiner on the mayoral candidate's panel an innocent question about using Facebook or Twitter is really awkward.
[Anthony Weiner, New York Mayoral Candidate:] All I can say is, God, don't ask me.
[Bash:] A light hearted moment to lift the tension after one opponent confronted Weiner.
[Unidentified Male:] People around the city have called on to you withdraw. You're distracting from focusing on the middle class and ideas.
[Weiner:] If you want to play to the cameras, that is your ability. I'm having here a serious conversation about issues. That's what these good people came to hear, let's honor them be here.
[Bash:] A day in the life of scandal plagued Weiner, a rousing speech on public housing.
[Weiner:] The fact of the matter is that we need to change the way we do things.
[Bash:] Minutes after silent protests, a handful women turned their backs on him. His indiscretions literally followed him. A man dressed as Carlos Danger, Weiner's screen name for lewd messaging. Weiner admitted to reporters he fumbled his comeback by not disclosing that he sent sexual pictures and texts to strange women a year after resigning from Congress for the same thing.
[Weiner:] Perhaps I should have said it is going to come out at this specific time and this specific person, but there isn't a lot better way for me to answer these questions.
[Bash:] He still isn't answering all our questions. [on camera]: What do you say to people who say, yes, this is persona, but it's beyond personal. It's also an issue of judgment and do you have the judgment to be in Gracie Mansion?
[Weiner:] I don't think it's a fair question that people have to answer that question for themselves.
[Bash:] We asked New Yorkers ourselves. [on camera]: It doesn't bother you?
[Unidentified Male:] No. I mean, a lot of politicians have their issues and I just think this one we can put behind us.
[Unidentified Female:] I think it's kind of creepy. So I don't think I'd want that as my mayor.
[Bash:] Now one open question has been what did Weiner's wife, Huma, know about this relapse into sexting with other women last summer? Now a friend of Huma's tells our Jessica Yellin that she learned about it last fall. She was furious. She said she was leaving him, but over time she decided it was best for their young son to stay together and she started once again trying to repair things in their marriage. But open question is still how they got from that to yes, I think it's a good idea to run for mayor, honey.
[Bolduan:] It's a huge question and there are a lot of similarities to the first time around where he was defiant, defiant, until he wasn't defiant and he dropped out of his congressional seat. We'll see how defiant he sticks in this.
[Bash:] Yes. I don't see it going anywhere except to the polls.
[Bolduan:] To the polls. Dana, great to see you.
[Bash:] Thank you. You, too.
[Bolduan:] And in the next half hour of NEW DAY, new details about the woman at the center of the newest Anthony Weiner sexting scandal. Her name is Sidney Elaine Leathers and one of her friends is talking to CNN about her scandalous relationship with the former congressman.
[Cuomo:] We have breaking news overnight for you. At least 77 people have been killed in a high speed passenger train derailment in Spain. One train car snapped in two, another caught fire and there's new concern about the cause. Karl Penhaul joins us by phone from Santiago De Compostela with the latest. Karl, what do we know?
[Karl Penhaul, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, Chris, the point where the train derailed is one of the tightest curves on the whole route from Madrid towards Santiago De Compostela. It does seem from information that we have received so far that the train may have left Madrid at somewhat late and there are concerns that the train could have been trying to make up time, but all this investigators are still working on.
[Penhaul:] The scene is surreal, a packed passenger train approaching the Spanish city of Santiago De Compostela derailed as it hurdled around a curve. Its cars strewed around the track mangled. This car snapped in half, flames burst out of another. Firefighters and emergency workers swarmed the scene putting out the billowing fire and feverishly evacuating the train. In the dark aided by flashlights, officials pulled injured and dead passengers through the windows, prying open doors to reach the most severely wounded. This morning, as the death toll and number of injured continues to rise, hospitals are calling for blood donations to aid in the recovery. Initial assessments by investigators indicate this probably was not an act of terrorism, but a senior aide to the prime minister says they are pursuing all possible causes. Meanwhile, officials are clearing the scene, forced to use cranes to left the ravaged train off the tracks. It is more than 15 hours now after that derailment. Right now, police helicopters are in the air overflying the scene and those huge cranes continue to work. On the ground here, though, neighbors who lived alongside the track a sense of disbelief. I can see people now just standing, talking to themselves, muttering to themselves as they look out to the tracks they can't believe what they're seeing Chris.
[Cuomo:] All right, Karl, thank you so much. I know people in the area are saying it's catastrophic. They're not completely sure that they have everybody out of the train yet so please keep us up to date with the latest. Karl, thank you very much. Karl Penhaul from Spain. Now we're going to go to Congress because they actually did a couple of things worth telling you about yesterday. First, the government surveillance program survives but barely, the House narrowly voted down a proposal restricting the way the NSA collects American's phone records and guess what? Some action in the Senate on student loans. Brianna Keilar is live at the White House with this. Very exciting, you know which one I want to talk about that. Let's start with the NSA. What happened on the vote, Brianna? Good morning to you.
[Brianna Keilar, Cnn White House Correspondent:] Good morning to you, Chris. I know you are obsessed with the student loans. But this is NSA vote was pretty fascinating to me and I'll tell you why. It's one of these votes in Congress that has some really weird bedfellows, liberal Democrats, conservative Republicans teaming up almost passing this. It was very narrowly defeated 217-205 and it would have restricted how the NSA collects information about Americans' phone records specifically it would have said it has to be tied to an investigation. It can't just be collected in some blanket way, but it was defeated with a lot of support from some key Democrats and some key Republicans as well and this I think is the end of it. The Senate isn't expected to take it up and the White House is not on board with this.
[Cuomo:] All right, so that's one issue. The other issue are the loans. We've been hearing this bubbling about what the Senate may get done that they're trying to pass a bill they believe the house would like. So what happened?
[Keilar:] It's done. I mean, how often can Congress say all right we finished it up, but it's pretty much finished because the Senate passed this overwhelmingly and what you're going to see now is those rates that went up to more than 6 percent for students July 1st are now going to go back down to 3.86 percent. That said, Chris, and this is something you have certainly drawn a lot of attention to. They are in coming years going potentially up because they will be tied now to the ten-year Treasury note. They'll be tied to the markets and so you're going to see a cap that's been put in place here, 8.25 percent will be the cap for undergrads, 9.5 percent for grad students, a little higher for parents, but that's as far up as it's going to go. The thing about it is it's done. This is a permanent solution, this isn't something in the coming years will need a fix.
[Cuomo:] Well, except for the fact that the rates could wind up just being a teaser rate. They could pop because of the treasury. So they did something, but those loans still aren't being treated like the priority they are for so many families. Brianna Keilar, appreciate it.
[Keilar:] It could get more expensive, yes.
[Cuomo:] Thank you very much for that, Brianna Kate.
[Bolduan:] Today more than 1 million Catholics are expected in Rio De Janeiro for World Youth Day and tonight Pope Francis will celebrate mass with them on Copacabana Beach. Brazilian officials are beefing up security for this event following a few security lapses I guess you could call them this week. CNN's Miguel Marquez is in Rio De Janeiro with all the latest. Hi, there, Miguel.
[Miguel Marquez, Cnn Correspondent:] How are you there? Yes, there's some 30,000 troops and police are trying to protect the pope and security has certainly gone up since Monday and his arrival, despite all of that, there are still some concerns out there.
[Marquez:] Despite heavy security, another moment of concern while departing his last function the pope thronged by excited followers someone tosses something to him and he appears to catch it. And Rio's mayor under fire over security lapses suggests almost mockingly more problems lie ahead. Protests are not a problem, he says, they are a part of functioning democracies. The pope started his day in the southern city of Operacita, a visit to the Shrine of the Virgin Mary, the 16th statue found by fishermen in the early 1700s is revered here. He encouraged the faithful to resist earthly temptations. "The dragon evil is present, but does not have the upper hand" he says. "Our young people feel attracted to idols taking God's place appearing to offer hope, money, success, power, and pleasure."
[Zola Dorjbayar, Mongolia:] This is a time for change and I think I'm really happy that's why I'm in the rain for two hours but singing because I'm very excited to see him.
[Marquez:] Francis' last stop, a Catholic hospital treating addicts hooked on crack cocaine even meeting some of those in the program. Now it should be noted there are a total of 500 Catholics in total in Mongolia. We found two of them last night. Apparently, there are six Mongolian Catholics here tonight, but it's absolutely amazing, you know, it's 11 hours until this event starts, already people waiting for it, some of them looked like they camped out on the beach. It was very, very rainy overnight. The pope is going to have a mass today and the Vatican playing down concerns to people throwing things at him saying it happens all the time, but still it is a concern here. Kate, Chris, back to you.
[Bolduan:] All right, Miguel, thanks so much. That's one thing that stuck out to you, Mongolian Catholics. That was a huge setup getting ready for this.
[Cuomo:] It's a big deal. People come out in a unique way when the pope is in the vicinity. There's no question about it. All right, a lot of news to tell you about this morning. Let's get to Michaela, train derailment in Spain, one here as well.
[Pereira:] Yes, in fact, we have some live aerials to show you. Let's take a look at the breaking news that we're following, hazmat teams and firefighters are on the scene of that train derailment at the Port of Tampa. Again, these are live aerials of the scene. It happened overnight. About 15 rail cars have overturned. They are leaking ethanol. Firefighters have been working to get foam on that wreckage. Tampa fire officials say the cleanup effort should go well into the afternoon. New documents expected to be released today in the Aaron Hernandez investigation, the former New England Patriot accused of killing his one-time friend Odin Lloyd. A grand jury is currently hearing evidence and could hand up an indictment soon. Hernandez appeared in court Wednesday. At the same time, his former coach, Bill Belichick spoke publicly about the murder case for the first time calling the incident, quote, "pretty terrible." President Obama nominating Carolyn Kennedy, JFK's daughter to be ambassador to Japan, Kennedy has never worked in government and has no special experience in Japan, but her supporters say she does have one important asset, a strong connection to President Obama. She would become the first woman to hold the post if the Senate confirms her. A-Rod ready to play ball at least according to a doctor hired by Alex Rodriguez. A-Rod sought a second opinion after a Yankees team doctor diagnosed him with a strained left quadriceps muscle. Sources tell CNN Rodriguez believes the Yankees are trying to get paying off the remaining $114 million left on his contract. He is facing a possible MLB suspension over the alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs. An amazing rescue to show you, look at this off the tip of Long Island after spending eight hours in shark infested waters lobsterman John Aldrich was rescued out, really plucked out of the Atlantic, about 43 miles from Montauk. Coast Guard officials say the 44-year-old used his boots to keep him afloat after apparently falling off his fishing vessel. Officials say Aldrich is now being treated for hypothermia exposure and dehydration. I'm sure there were prayers from the family, from him, promises and he was found, and all caught on camera, too.
[Cuomo:] There are a lot of seas out there, that's my neck of the woods.
[Pereira:] It's like plucking a needle from a hay stack.
[Cuomo:] That's real open ocean. Off the coast of Montauk, you have the whole eastern Seaborg there. He is a very lucky man. All right, let's over to Indra Petersons. Indra, you got some news about this tropical storm. It is now Dorian, right?
[Indra Petersons, Ams Meteorologist:] Pretty strong a couple of storms, actually 60-mile-per-hour steady winds right now, but there's so much uncertainty around it, currently moving pretty fast, west north westerly at 17 miles per hour. It is likely to weaken. There are a lot of reasons for this. We're looking at a lot of dry air right in front of it so that's the first thing. The second thing you need for a hurricane is warm water and look where it is, you need temperatures above 79 degrees and currently Dorian just kind of hovering right between the cooler waters and the warmer waters. So for that reason a lot of uncertainty, where it goes, if it goes over warmer water, it could hold together and if it goes over it slower, it could weaken as well. So a lot of factors involved in there especially upper level winds, if there's a lot of shear we could see it break apart. Nonetheless, the models are still kind of holding it together and currently the thought is right around Monday being just north of Puerto Rico, still a tropical storm. But again so much uncertainty is out there. One of the fun facts that I kind of share with you. This is so early. Typically this time of year, we see a lot of warm waters kind of closer to the coastline, and that's when we see formation. This is pretty far out there, kind of starting right off South Africa, excuse me, Africa. But what we are looking at, notice this, July 9th that's when we typically see our first one. June 5th that's where we saw our first named storm this season, and notice currently, we're still about a month ahead of where we should be for formation. So, it may seem like we're quiet, but we're ahead of the game currently. And it looks like I mean, this thing is trying to hold together even with all that ahead of it. So, a lot to be watching.
[Bolduan:] Maybe an early and longer hurricane season.
[Petersons:] Right, exactly.
[Bolduan:] Indra, thank you so much. We'll be tracking that definitely over the coming days. So, let's head back to London. The guessing game is over. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have named their son Prince George Louis Alexander of Cambridge. It's a name that pays respect to tradition, while some say also adding a little bit of a modern twist. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is in London with much more on this very important question. We've kept asking it Erin, what his name going to be we asked and we finally now know.
[Erin Mclaughlin, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, they named him pretty quickly by royal standard. Charles and Diana took a week to announce Prince William's name. After much anticipation, the great name debate has ended.
[Mclaughlin:] Introducing his royal highness, Prince George Alexander Louis of Cambridge. The name is already a hit on the streets of London.
[Unidentified Female:] Good old-fashioned British name.
[Mclaughlin:] And a tribute to Queen Elizabeth, who met her great grandson for the first time Wednesday at Kensington Palace. George was the name of the queen's father, King George VI, who famously had a stammer as portrayed by Colin Firth in the movie "The King's Speech." Alexander for Queen Victoria, whose name was Alexandrina. And Louis is his third name, a nod to the queen'husband, Prince Philip, whose much beloved uncle was Lord Louis Mountbatten. And unlike other royals, this little man only has three names. Most royals have four names, some have five, Henry VIII had seven. What they're really trying to do here is make their son a bit more like all the other little boys when he goes to school. The only problem is, he's going to be a king. After spending his first night out of hospital in Kensington Palace, Kate and William whisked Prince George away to more humble surroundings, her family's home in Bucklebury. They released a statement saying, "This is now a private and quiet time for them to get to know their son," the future king now living the quiet life in the commoner's accommodation. Now, the name George may be pretty traditional, but the stay in Bucklebury is being seen as a thoroughly modern move, just another indication that William and Kate want as normal an upbringing as possible for their son Kate and Chris.
[Bolduan:] All right. Erin, thanks so much, been tracking it all for us. We over here normal folk, common folk name their kids right at the hospital, right?
[Cuomo:] Yes.
[Bolduan:] Everyone is saying this is so fast, they named him so quickly. Don't they normally take a week? Sometime even longer.
[Cuomo:] Is it that they take that long to name the kid or release the name?
[Bolduan:] That's the question, not really sure. I mean, you think if they had the name after two days, that they probably had the name at the hospital
[Pereira:] But I think looking at the little face, right?
[Bolduan:] Isn't that what every parent says you have to see the face.
[Pereira:] It might be Jeremiah.
[Bolduan:] The queen might not have a say in the boy's name, they wanted to talk to her about it, consult her about it, before they announce it in the end.
[Cuomo:] It seemed like it was studied, Louis comes from King Philip's uncle. You know, that's not something that just pops in your head.
[Bolduan:] Names are always significant. Royal names bear a lot of significance.
[Pereira:] They really do. They didn't look in a baby book, let's just put it that way.
[Bolduan:] What's the trendy one this here?
[Cuomo:] Thor.
[Pereira:] And they didn't ask you.
[Cuomo:] All right. Coming up on
[New Day:] Cruise line CEOs in the Capitol Hill hot seat. Is that dream vacation on the high seas a little more dangerous that you think? The question we will explore.
[Bolduan:] And also coming up ahead, the other woman in the latest Anthony Weiner sexting scandal. But who is Sydney Leathers?

[Pamela Brown, Cnn Anchor:] Vanished. A Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 239 people fell off the radar in midair. This morning new details about what happened to the flight.
[Joe Johns, Cnn Anchor:] Charges filed
[Johns:] Charges filed against a mother accused of trying to kill her three children by driving them into the ocean. Now we're hearing the 911 calls from before the event.
[Brown:] And the picture of Oscar Pistorius emerges as a cheating, gun- loving boyfriend with a temper. Unpacking the events of week one in the blade runner's trial. Your NEW DAY starts now. And good morning, everyone. Great to have you along with us on this Saturday morning. I'm Pamela Brown.
[Johns:] And I'm Joe Johns. It's 6:00. Christi Paul and Victor Blackwell are off today. This is NEW DAY SATURDAY. We begin this morning with a desperate search at sea after a jet carrying 239 people vanished off the southern coast of Vietnam.
[Brown:] China, Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam have dispatched rescue ships and aircraft to the area where Malaysia Airlines Flight MH-370 disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
[Johns:] Report from the region say Vietnam's military confirmed the jet crashed into the sea. But Malaysian authorities say they're still working to verify that and no records have been found as of yet.
[Brown:] And according to the airline, four Americans, including an infant, were on board the Boeing 777. Two-thirds of the passengers are said to be from China and Taiwan.
[Johns:] Let's bring in CNN airline and aviation correspondent Richard Quest who's been following the developments from New York. Richard, what's the latest on the search and how will rescue crews find the wreckage?
[Richard Quest, Cnn Airline And Aviation Correspondent:] Well, in theory, of course, the aircraft itself could give clues as to where it will have come down. And I think we now know of course that we're all talking about an incident where the plane has in some form crashed. And the aircraft, when it gets into distress, when a plane does crash in this sort of circumstance, will emit its own beacon. It will send out its own radio transmitter which effectively will help and alert the rescuers and the recovery teams about where it is. Now the difficulty here, of course, is that this 777 may well have been over the South China Sea when the incident happened. We're still not entirely confirmed exactly where the plane was at the time. We know it was at 35,000, 36,000 feet. We know it was about two hours into its flight from KL, Kuala Lumpur, up to Beijing. Now that puts is roughly around the eastern part of Vietnam and into the South China Sea. If this incident did happen over the sea, then you're talking about a much more difficult operation here. Because now not only will the plane, or maybe the plane had broken up, but now, of course, the transmitter which can keep going for many days, we might not be able to receive the signal from it. So that's going to be, Joe, the sort of issue. That's why you're going to be getting these search and rescue operations for many countries. Politics gets put to the one side in this area, as they try now to find where is the wreckage, the remains, if you like. Where is this Aircraft?
[Johns:] Richard, I understand you met the co-pilot of this plane, Fariq Hamid, and actually sat in the cockpit of a similar aircraft just a few days ago. Can you tell us about that?
[Quest:] Yes, we were filming for "CNN BUSINESS TRAVELER." The monthly travel program that I do. And we were filming on a flight from Kuala Lampur from Hong Kong down to Kuala Lumpur. And during that flight, we were actually with the Malaysia Airlines. And as the pictures show, we're we can confirm that the first officer who was flying the aircraft, the one you see in this picture is the one who was on board the aircraft. We have reason to believe that the captain was also on the one who's on the left seat is also involved in the flight that we're talking about tonight. Now it's worth pointing out, and I'm just going to give a bit of background to this filming. This filming was well and truly within the ambit of authorized. It was Malaysia Airlines. There was a safety check captain on board the aircraft as well. So all the correct anyone who's saying what was going on here, all the correct parameters that allow for in-cockpit filming were followed in this particular incident. The first officer involved had about 200,000 hours flying experience. He'd been with Malaysian Airlines since 2007. He was experienced First Officer in aviation. He was new what they say new on type. He had he'd only been on the 777 for a matter of weeks.
[Johns:] A real mystery so far. Thanks so much for that, Richard Quest. We'll be checking back with you. Dozens of relatives of missing passengers or crew members gathered at the Beijing airport. Some overcome with grief and fearing for the worse.
[Brown:] CNN's Davis McKenzie is in Beijing where the flight was supposed to land. So, David, tell us what are you hearing from people there?
[David Mckenzie, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, what we're hearing is frustration, sometimes anger and certainly confusion. And a lot of emerging doubts about what exactly happened to the loved ones and relatives. We were at the airport earlier this morning. There was just a very poignant red in red sign for that airline coming in, delayed. And then people were staying at a local area hotel. People were crowding in and out through the
[Brown:] Yes. We learned that four Americans were on board including a 1-year-old infant.
[Johns:] An infant.
[Brown:] That's right. David, where do you think that the plane went down? I mean, I know it's tough to tell and there's still so much to learn about what happened. But what from what you can tell where do you think it went down?
[Mckenzie:] Well, Pamela, our sources through state media and also on the ground in Malaysia and Vietnam indicate that this airliner could have gone down in the Gulf of Thailand. Around 150 miles south of any nearby islands. Now that makes it very difficult indeed, to get rescue and recovery efforts to that point. As Richard was mentioning, this is a multinational effort, particularly from Malaysia and Vietnam. Going into those areas, we just recently got off the phone with one of the people in charge of that operation from the Malaysian side. They say they're sending helicopters, planes, any means necessary, to try and find out where that airliner went down. Of course, we can assume that it's crashed on some level because there have only 7 12 hours left of fuel when they vanished from radar. And from the areas where they were being picked up, effectively, vanishing into thin air. Now the wait is what exactly happened. And are there any survivors, but certainly, I can tell you very agonizing, as I can say, hours ticking by here in Beijing and across the region Pamela.
[Brown:] Yes. Your heart really goes out to the relatives there. David McKenzie in Beijing. Thank you so much.
[Johns:] Just the not knowing is probably the hardest part at this stage and there's been so much speculation. Everybody is
[Brown:] Yes. And like you said, an agonizing wait.
[Johns:] So what could have caused the plane to disappear? According to the Malaysia Airlines CEO so far it doesn't look like it was bad weather.
[Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, Malaysia Airlines Ceo:] Our early review of the weather system shows that no at that point.
[Johns:] So let's go down to Jennifer Gray at the extreme weather center. Jennifer, can you give us an idea about the weather conditions at the time the plane left Kuala Lumpur Airport?
[Jennifer Gray, Ams Meteorologist:] Yes, well, conditions were pretty much ideal. You can temperatures around 77 degrees. Winds only about three miles per hour. And visibility at six miles. So it doesn't look like weather was a problem at all. We were looking at satellite images as well from where they left on to the destination. And barely even any clouds. We were also looking at turbulence forecast. And it doesn't look like there was much turbulence in the area as well. So from what we can see, it looks like weather could pretty much be ruled out, guys.
[Johns:] All right. Thanks so much for that, Jennifer Gray. Get back to you.
[Gray:] All right.
[Johns:] Still to come on NEW DAY, international monitors make their fourth attempt to enter Crimea as Moscow blasts the group accusing them of being biased.
[Brown:] Plus, for the first time, we're getting a look at the mother who police say tried to kill her children by driving them into the ocean. Ahead what the children told the police about the terrifying moments inside that car.

[Kosik:] If the government shuts down at midnight on Monday, millions of people will be affected, and while the military will still be expected to report to duty, many troops may not get paid on time. Joining us now from Washington, Vivian Greentree, she's a Navy veteran and the director of research and policy with the Blue Star Families. Vivian, thanks for joining us. Tell me, what are you hearing from the military families with Blue Star? What are their biggest concerns?
[Vivian Greentree, Blue Star Families:] Well, we know from our research that financial health and readiness is a top concern for military families. We know that from our annual survey of military families so even the threat of the shutdown has caused added anxieties. And if it is to occur and military families don't get paid, we also know that a lot of military families live paycheck to paycheck, and are single- income families. The military spouse unemployment rate is 26 percent. So we are in a dire situation, if our military families aren't being paid.
[Kosik:] Your husband is deployed overseas, so how is your family being impacted?
[Greentree:] Well, when we got to talk on Face Time this morning, this was a big conversation piece for us, moving some money around in the event that he didn't get paid, what we would do to pay our own bills, and I know that's something that we're hearing from our families across the country. How they're going to pay their mortgages, their car payments, buy groceries, buy diapers. It's a very important situation and one that our families have our military our service members that are deployed don't need to be thinking about. They need to be focused on their mission at hand and you don't want them wondering if they will get paid or having their spouses call them worried about their bank accounts.
[Kosik:] Let me ask you this, how much do you really feel that maybe military families are kind of, you know, caught in the middle of this, as like a political football or a pawn going on between Republicans and Democrats. You know, how does this make you feel? They're playing these political games, but, you know, for you and countless other families, this is real life.
[Greentree:] It is real life. I think right now, in our community, on top of sequestration, on top of potential action in Syria, it's the general level of stress and anxiety and then to add to that, I think we've always considered our paychecks kind of sacrosanct. And to think that they might not be is a shock. I don't know that there's any one party or one person to blame. It's just a general shock that it could even potentially happen and for our organization to try to walk the line between not trying to trying not to play into any kind of hysteria, but also to provide resources and information to families that are desperate for information and resources, should this shutdown occur.
[Kosik:] So is there, maybe one side that maybe you hold more responsible, the Republicans or the Democrats or maybe even the president?
[Greentree:] No, I think at this point, we are in the, how can we respond to this should it happen mode? We just want to know, financial institutions that might provide low or no interest loans to military families, should they not get paid. It's much more tactical at our level and we just want to get our service members paid.
[Kosik:] If there's something you would say to Congress or maybe even the president, what would it be?
[Greentree:] Besides the immediate financial impact, the impact to moral and readiness, trust in government, something that will last way after this crisis is over, and as you rely on an all-volunteer force, these are things that need to be thought about. We've asked 1 percent of the population to do a lot, a whole lot over these last ten years. So to be in the middle of a government shutdown and to say your paychecks might be at risk or the medical facilities on your base might shut down, is child care open, are schools open, which we're receiving guidance from the DOD as much as they have it to give to the families. But the impact is going to last past this immediate crisis.
[Kosik:] OK, Vivian Greentree, thanks so much for your time.
[Greentree:] Thanks for having me.
[Kosik:] Sure. On Tuesday, open enrolment begins for Obamacare, and some people aren't too happy, because they feel they're being forced to buy health care coverage. So I want you to listen to this I-Report from William Bernstein. He's from Virginia Beach, Virginia.
[William Bernstein, Cnn I-reporter:] Hello, everyone. I'm William. So here's the deal. I've not had health insurance since 2007. That's when I stopped working full-time. Since then, I've had many part-time jobs. Right now I do piano playing for churches and events part-time, I work at this shipping company right here part-time, and I do freelance news and storm reporting part-time. That's the key word or words, part-time equals no health insurance. And come January, me and millions of other Americans are going to be forced to do and to pay for Obamacare? I don't think so. Obamacare is unconstitutional and needs to be overturned and maybe it's going to take my voice and millions of others to do that, and if that's what it's going to take, then so be it.
[Kosik:] And if you currently don't have health insurance, we want to hear your story. Log on to cnnireport.com, and share your video describing your experiences. U.S. strategy in Syria just got a lot more complicated. Militant firefighters join forces and reject the opposition. It's a new hard line. Next, can American policy make a difference?

[Blitzer:] Port Authority officials are holding a news conference now on this LaGuardia crash. Let's listen.
[Patrick Foye, Director, New York Port Authority:] Never made contact with the water. The aircraft was carrying 127 passengers and five crew members. Happily, there are only minor injuries that have been reported. At this point, we believe two passengers have been transported to hospitals. That number may change. The emergency response, why the airport rescue and firefighting, which is a division of the Port Authority police, was exemplary, four of our trucks responded, plus a stair truck. 14 airport rescue and firefighters in total. Port Authority aviation staff at the airport had 50 people on the airfield. Response was in minutes. The Port Authority police trained for this repeatedly during the last three weeks. There were two drills here at LaGuardia for exactly this circumstance. Last thing, I'll report is that we expect to open up the other runway 422 at approximately 2 00 p.m. Some flights have been diverted to Newark and to other airports. As Ron mentioned at the beginning of the conference, the NTSB is on the way to LaGuardia. We will be cooperating with them closely as with Delta. We're not going to speculate or comment on the causes of today's accident. With that, I'll turn it over to Gail Grimmett of Delta Airlines.
[Gail Grimmett, Delta Airlines:] Thank you, Pat. This morning, upon landing, Delta flight 1086 from Atlanta to LaGuardia exited runway 13. The MD-88 aircraft was carrying 127 customers and five crew members. Customers were deplaned safely and moved to the terminals on buses. They have subsequently been reunited with their families and are in the midst of going back home or into the city. We are working cooperatively with the Port Authority, the NTSB and all officials during the course of this investigation. The safety of our passengers and our crews is Delta's number-one priority. I want to thank the extraordinary efforts of the Port Authority, ARF, the PAPD for their quick response in this situation. And I also want to express Delta's sincere appreciation to our crews to help keep our passengers safe and get them to the terminals safely. Thank you.
[Foye:] We'll take a few questions. As I mentioned before, given the fact the NTSB is on the way, we're not going to comment on causes. We'll leave that to the NTSB.
[Unidentified Reporter:] What was the
[Foye:] Good question, Pat. Shortly before the incident at approximately 11:05, two planes landed and reported, quote, "good braking action on the runways." This particular runway had been plowed shortly before the incident and pilots on other planes reported good braking action. Yes? Yes? I think the pilot did everything we could to slow the aircraft down. Obviously the pilot and the co-pilot's good efforts were reflected in the fact that there were only minor injuries. Yes? Yeah, I think what you're referring to is what's called EMAS, an FAA required area at the end of each runway here at LaGuardia which slows aircrafts down if they overshoot. As I mentioned, approximately 4,500 to 5,000 feet down the runway, the plane veered to the left, so it did not make contact with the EMAS. Yes? Sure. The Port Authority's responsibility for plowing and maintaining the runways in a clean operable condition. The FAA decides which runways are used, which approach planes and pilots will use, and it's up to pilots to accept the designation of the FAA. Yes, sir? OK. With respect to passengers, the chutes as we understand did not deploy. The airport rescue and firefighting division of the Port Authority police was on scene. As I mentioned, there were 14 ARF firefighters on scene. You could see images of those ARF staff members on the wings helping passengers deplane. The passengers: were bussed to a terminal here at LaGuardia. Yes? Fuel spill. There was a minor fuel spill. The fuel for a time was leaking out at a rate of about a gallon a minute. The fuel the leak was stopped. The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation is on scene. Port Authority, ARF airport rescue and firefighting crews applied foam and the situation is under control. I would also note there was a significant presence by the firefighters of the city of New York and we thank them for their response. Yes? Not minor injuries. Yes. Minor injuries. It was level five. We were at level five staffing, full staffing today, and it was snow condition five. Yes? The plane did not make contact with the water. That was happily that was never a risk today. I don't know. I'd be speculating. Pat, it was on a berm or embankment. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate. Yes, sir? Minute. Yes? Yes, sir? No, that's not what I said. Two pilots who landed in the minutes before reported breaking action. I'm sorry, I just didn't hear I didn't hear the question. Yes. Sure. Look, the decision to allow planes to land, which runway is used and which approach is used, is up to the FAA. Obviously, the Port Authority consults closely. We had the right staff here at LaGuardia today, given the conditions. They responded literally within a minute. And the runway had been plowed literally minutes before, and other pilots had reported good braking action. Ultimately, obviously, the pilot's decision. Last question. Yes? I'm not going to address any of those questions. I think those were appropriately directed to the NTSB once they have commenced and finished their investigation. Thank you. Thank you all.
[Blitzer:] So there you get the latest information from the Port Authority which operates the major airports in the New York, northern New Jersey area. He now says that Delta had 127 passengers on board and five crew members and 132 people altogether. Minor injuries. Some individuals have been transported to hospitals. The fire department of New York, by the way, has different people saying 24 injured, nonlife- threatening and three transported to hospitals after this Delta MD-88 skidded off the runway. Fortunately, stopped just before it would have crossed an embankment or that berm and gone through the fence into the waters that surround LaGuardia Airport. David Soucie, our safety analyst, was listening closely what we just heard from the Port Authority and the Delta spokeswoman. What did you think, David?
[Soucie:] Two things stood out to me. He said minutes prior to this, there was good braking action and that was reported by the two pilots who had just landed just minutes before this. You had mentioned before, Wolf, about how quickly conditions can change. Yes, you do have good braking action until you don't and that is what happened here. It looks like to me. One of the other things he mentioned was the e-mass area. It's important because over the last few years and what was supposed to be completed by the end of this year is the runway safeties of each runways was examined to make sure if overfly of the runway that the aircraft is safe toward the end of the runway. LaGuardia is one of the airports identified as not having enough land mass to increase that runway safety area, therefore, they installed the engineered materials arresting system, EMAS, which is what he was talking about there. Thankfully, the aircraft didn't end up in the EMAS area but that indicates the aircraft went off the runway prior to coming to the end of the runway and can cause injuries to the passengers because you're in a sideways motion instead of a direct forward motion when the aircraft comes to a stop.
[Blitzer:] The NTSB, the National Transportation Safety Board, the FAA, they are going to be investigating how this happened, what happened. It's going to take them a long time to figure it out, though, right?
[Soucie:] Yes. Two things will be investigated from different this is the different roles of the NTSB and the FAA. NTSB will look at the proximate cause or the last thing that could have prevented the accident before it happened. And that most likely fall on the pilot because the pilot is the one that makes the decision as to whether he wants to accept the conditions at the runway or not. The FAA is looking for something different. The FAA has nine responsibilities. Within those is one of, did the proper procedure, were proper procedures followed in order to buy the airport and Port Authority whether they cleared the runway properly, and if they did or didn't, did they report those conditions back to the air traffic controllers or give to the pilots properly? So those are the two main focuses of the NTSB and FAA at this time.
[Blitzer:] Can this plane be repaired? We see some significant structural damage to this MD-88.
[Soucie:] I do not think it will be. Typically, aircraft that go through accidents like this, there is a number of reasons not to repair the aircraft. Number one, the parts that are on the aircraft are probably more valuable than the aircraft itself to be parted out. Number two, the insurability of the aircraft can be affected by the number of repairs onboard the aircraft, at least in the United States. If it is repaired, it would be likely to see that body or that particular serial number show up in a different country that has lesser standards than we might.
[Blitzer:] David Soucie, as usual, thank you very much. Breaking news elsewhere in the United States, weather-related, in the state of Kentucky, a state not necessarily known for major winter storms, but that is why we are calling it breaking news right now. Get this. 21 inches of snow has stranded hundreds of cars and trucks on a major interstate, Interstate 65, south of Louisville since 10:00 eastern time last night. Fourteen hours now. The U.S. National Guard is on the guard. Lieutenant Colonel Kirk Hillbrick is joining us on the phone. How bad is it, Colonel? Lt.
[Col. Kirk Hillbrick, Kentucky National Guard:] Thank you, Wolf, for having me on here. As you can imagine, having people stranded on the roads is never a good day for anybody. We are actually taking care of two locations. One location you just identified I-65, both 10 miles north and south of Elizabethtown. We also have stranded motorists on I-24. That's in western Kentucky just outside of Paducah. So we have been we were called up earlier this morning and what we have been doing is taking stranded motorists to warm care facilities where they can get water or any kind of treatment they might need. We have already had a couple of cases of folks that needed insulin or may have been diabetic. As soon as we come upon them, we are taking them to these comfort centers.
[Blitzer:] We are showing our viewers the video of these cars and trucks, other vehicles simply stranded on the icy interstate on the roads there. Do you have enough personnel, enough equipment to rescue these people? Because, clearly, their engines no longer can operate. No more gasoline, so the heat isn't working.
[Hillbrick:] Most definitely. We have over 8,500 guardsmen on standby. We have activated the units that are in those areas in both western Kentucky outside of Paducah and, obviously, in the E-Town area to make sure they are the first to respond. We have a lot of other folks that are ready and willing to go down and help render aid. But right now, that's what we are doing.
[Blitzer:] Do you have a count yet on how many people have been stranded?
[Hillbrick:] Well, not yet. We do have we do know the numbers are flooding in from the emergency management area. Managers from both Paducah and the E-Town areas but we don't have an exact count yet Wolf?
[Blitzer:] Give us a perspective. How unusual is this in Kentucky?
[Hillbrick:] This is a less than a month since our last weather event, winter-weather event. Even though they normally pre-treat our roads, last night, we had torrential rain. Any salt put down would be washed away. Last night, that rain froze. Then we had anywhere between 8 to 12 inches of snow, depending on what area you're in. And even though we had plow teams out all night and throughout the commonwealth, within two hours, the snow packed up again. Compound that with some people who normally don't drive on those road conditions and you have one or two jackknifed trailer tractors and you have this kind of congestion.
[Blitzer:] We are talking about 21 inches of snow in Kentucky within a matter of only a few hours. That is pretty extraordinary when you think about it.
[Hillbrick:] Most definitely. Luckily and fortunately, the folks we work with create our wonderful Humvees to allow us to navigate those treacherous roads.
[Blitzer:] Do you think you'll get everybody rescued before it gets dark?
[Hillbrick:] That is our intentions. We are working with local authorities. State troopers have been out there since hour one, along with other folks that have rendered aid through, you know, volunteer services and people with Jeeps and other kinds of four-wheel drives. This has really been a community effort to help those that have been stranded.
[Blitzer:] Is there any message do you need any additional help from outside?
[Hillbrick:] Right now, just if you don't need to be on those roads, please don't. We are trying to take care of those that are already stranded.
[Blitzer:] Good luck to you, Lieutenant Colonel Kirk Hillbrick with the National Guard. And good luck to the men and women helping you, everyone who is involved in this rescue operation. It's a major rescue operation in Kentucky right now. You see car after car and truck after truck simply stranded on those interstates. What a story that is. That is it for me. I'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "The Situation Room." For our international viewers, "Amanpour" is next. For our viewers in North America, "Newsroom" with Ana Cabrera starts right now with Ana Cabrera.

[Costello:] The road to the 2014 and 2016 elections will be well traveled today by some of the biggest names from both parties. Former President Bill Clinton heads to Kentucky to campaign with Alison Grimes. Grimes is running against Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Hillary Clinton heads to Washington where she'll present awards for advancing women and peace and security at Georgetown University. And in New Jersey, Chris Christie has money on his mind. He'll deliver his annual budget address. But back to Bill Clinton for just a minute he's heading to Louisville today to add some star power in the fight to unseat Republican Mitch McConnell. This selection may be the most difficult for the Senate minority leader. Erin McPike is in Louisville this morning to tell us more. Good morning.
[Erin Mcpike, Cnn Correspondent:] Carol, good morning. Well, polls show a tight race between Mitch McConnell and the Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes. Now, her family has known the Clintons for years. We want to show you a photo of Alison Grimes meeting the Clintons in 1993 at the Lincoln Memorial. Her father catered some events for that inauguration and up to Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2010, and those long relationships should help her in this campaign.
[Mcpike:] Mitch McConnell is leading the charge to sweep Senate Democrats from power in this year's midterm elections.
[Sen. Mitch Mcconnell , Minority Leader:] These people need to be stopped. A good way to stop them is to make me the majority leader of the United States Senate this November.
[Mcpike:] But he has to win re-election first. And that may prove harder than the past four times he's done it.
[Mcconnell:] Kentucky is thought of not deep red but reddish. Reddish.
[Mcpike:] Now, remember him, Bill Clinton carried the typically red Blue Grass State in both of his presidential elections in the 90s. He campaigned against McConnell in the tougher than expected race in 2008. Today, he's making his first big stop on the 2014 campaign trail.
[Bill Clinton, Former President:] We have simply got to have more people who are willing to reach across the aisle.
[Mcpike:] Campaigning for the Democrats' 35-year-old star recruit.
[Alison Lundergan Grimes , Senate Candidate:] I'm Alison Lundergan Grimes. And with your help, I will be the next United States senator from Kentucky.
[Mcpike:] Grimes is secretary of state and was an attorney in Lexington. Her father Gerry Lundergan chaired the Kentucky Democratic Party twice and has a relationship with Clinton spanning three decades. Candidate Grimes is leaning heavily on the Clintons, and sought their advice getting into the race. Before he gets a clear shot at the Democrats, McConnell must defeat Tea Party-backed challenger Matt Bevin in the state's GOP primary. The far right has been a thorn in McConnell's side both at home and in Washington. With Ted Cruz's maneuvers causing problems, like shooting down the government for 16 days.